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With Gun Control, Canadian Criminals Are Making A Killing

January 26, 2011 by  

With Gun Control, Canadian Criminals Are Making A Killing

“After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn’t do it.”–William Burroughs

When I lived in Spokane, Wash., I exercised my right as an American citizen to own a handgun. As an American living in Canada, I no longer have that right. And while there may be fewer guns in Canada, I feel less safe than I did in the U.S. That is because up here it is the criminals that have guns.

There is no constitutional right to bear arms in Canada. Instead, most of us hope that we won’t someday look down the barrel of a gun drawn by a felon.

It is a worry I hope Americans don’t ever have to live with. But you don’t have to be much of a prognosticator to expect a crackdown on guns following the Tucson tragedy. Just days after the murders which almost took the life of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) was already planning to introduce legislation that would put restrictions on law abiding citizens’ freedom to obtain firearms.

No doubt McCarthy and other liberals will decry gun ownership and will stump about the need to make America safer.

But I can tell you laws don’t make people safe. Canada has some of the strictest gun control legislation in the world. Yet Canadian criminals seem to have easy access to guns.

Such was the case on New Year’s Day 2009. I was in my office in Calgary. I looked out the window and saw half a dozen police cruisers racing down Bonaventure Drive, sirens blaring. They went to a usually quiet strip mall two blocks from my office.

It was around 3:45 p.m. when a car pulled into the parking lot of the Bolsa Vietnamese Restaurant. One man remained in the car while two others entered the restaurant. There they shot dead two members of a rival drug gang.

An innocent victim, 43-year-old Keni Su’a who happened to be eating alone that day, was also shot dead.

The press named it the Calgary New Year’s Massacre and it was an escalation in an ongoing war between rival drug gangs: The “Fresh Off the Boat” (FOB) and the “Fresh Off the Boat Killers” (FK).

This and many more murders have happened even as the Canadian government has cracked down on gun registration. None of which seems to have bothered immigrant gangs like the FOB and FK who have gone from carrying knives to toting high-powered assault weapons. Such guns were in use again this past New Year’s Day when two gang members fired shots that killed one man and left another in serious condition.

This is happening in Calgary which has a population of 1 million. Things are more dangerous in larger Canadian cities like Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver. And it is not just the drug gangs that breed gun violence in Canada. There is no shortage of crazies who always seem able to arm themselves.

In 2006 a Canadian gunman uploaded pictures of himself posing with a rifle. He bragged on his blog that he loved the Internet game based on the Columbine shootings. One day he decided to stop playing. He went to a Montreal college and, when all was said and done, he killed one person and seriously wounded another 19 before he shot himself.

On Jan. 13 the Ottawa Citizen, concluded that Canadian gun legislation is a failure:

“As strict as Canadian gun laws appear, they do not prevent the movement of illegal firearms in or out of this country, nor their possession, and only cover those firearms that have been registered. Last year, Canadian police services reported some 8,000 victims of violent gun crime, ranging from assault to robbery and homicide — a rate of almost one person per hour victimized by violent gun crime. On average, more than 1,200 Canadians are killed and more than 1,000 injured with firearms each year.”

Canada’s stringent gun laws don’t simply take aim at handguns. In 2001, the registration portion of Bill C-68 was implemented. With that law the Federal government demanded all firearms — including rifles and shotguns — be registered. Then, in 2003, Ottawa passed a law that failure to register any and all firearms would result in criminal charges.

There are a lot of old ranchers and farmers in Alberta that couldn’t be bothered to do the paperwork on an old Winchester. In the eyes of Ottawa’s bureaucrats these people are criminals.

Canada Once Embraced Guns

I was born in Alberta and I grew up around guns. On my 12th birthday my dad bought me a single-shot .22 rifle. On my 18th birthday he bought me a 12-gauge pump action Remington shotgun. I never imagined that a time would come where I would have to level my shotgun at a person; that I would take deadly aim with it.

But that happened when I as a senior at the University of Calgary and was cramming for a final. Around midnight I heard a car screech to a stop outside my parent’s home which sat on an isolated street. I was home alone with the family dog, Elsa, a Great Dane with a gentle disposition.

In the news had been reports that two men were terrorizing women on Calgary streets. Two young women, Laurie Boyd and Debbie Stevens, had been dragged from their cars at night and murdered.

I heard pounding at the front door. I knew something was seriously wrong when I opened the door to find my girlfriend Angela standing before me crying. Before I could even ask her what was happening a second car pulled into our driveway with the high-beams on.

I took Angela inside and went outside to see what the commotion was about. I brought the family dog with me and kept her leash wrapped tightly around my hand.

Two men were walking straight towards the door; neither one saying a word and neither showing any regard for me or our dog which was growling and barking.

I dragged the dog back inside and gave her to Angela. I remembered the Remington that I kept in the front closet. I found it and then fumbled for the single target load shell that I kept in the corner of the hat shelf. It was all the ammunition I had, but I was damn happy to have it.

I was shaking, but I loaded the shell. I slipped back outside. I was surprised at how close these strangers were to me; perhaps fewer than 20 paces. I remember the taller of the two had his hand reached inside his coat.

It was dark so at first I don’t think they noticed my shotgun. But they knew it was there when I raised it to my shoulder and pumped the fore-end, chambering the shell.

In a split second they spun and ran to their car, roaring off into the darkness.

More than a year later two men, Jim Peters and Rob Brown, were charged and convicted on multiple charges of murder.

My girlfriend Angela later became my wife. To this day we don’t know if those men were the Calgary serial killers. All these years later we remain certain of two things: These men had evil intentions and we were damned lucky to have that shotgun.

Yours in good times and bad,

– John Myers
Myer’s Energy and Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • http://none Mike

    Basicly Canada wants to turn all gun owners into crimanals. So they will. But when that happens only the criminals will have a gun. Whats next knives. I guess in canada they had better be ready to butter their toast with spoons. All this amounts to a pile of crap because the crimanals will just get their guns underground. Which I might add will just lead to more crime here in the U.S because the importers will have to steal them from somewhere. Mike L.

    • 45caliber

      England has outlawed knives. And finger nail files, nail clippers, and a lot of other things. You cannot have anything with a point or an edge with you. The first person they charged was a newsman on a street corner. He had a little shop that sold papers which were delivered to him in tied bundles. He needed a pocket knife to cut the cords. After fining him, they agreed to let him have a pocket knife in a locked box bolted to the wall. He had to use it and then immediately lock it up again.

      They even arrested one man because he had a semi-sharp point on his umbrella.

      But they don’t arrest the thousands of burglars; they aren’t committing a “violent” crime.

      • Richard Pawley

        Amazing but I’m not surprised. The sad thing is that as my mom who passed on three months ago at age 92 told me more than 40 years ago “what they do in England we will eventually do here.” So far I have seen a lot of that to be true. All of this comes down to basic philosophy. The Progressive Marxists believe that they are superior to other human beings. It’s called a “God Complex” and is the most common mental disease on the planet according to one eminent psychiatrist. If these progressive ‘citizens of the world’ believe something than everyone else should believe it also. (I absolutely knew when Miss Hawaii answered the question a couple of weeks ago if she thought of herself as a citizen of Hawaii or the United States or of the world, that when she answered that she was a citizen of the world, that she would not win the Miss America title).
        I didn’t call my politically incorrect book “THE LAST DAYS OF THE LATE GREAT UNITED STATES” for the fun of it. I also didn’t mention the 3,500,000 crimes per year that were PREVENTED by someone having a gun in the USA because I could not verify the statistics in time, not did I flat out say that I believed that unless we had a spiritual revival such as we had prior to the formation of our country that there was little hope for us as a nation. I did however point out that one Russian ‘think tank’ had come to the conclusion that the USA would break up into five countries after congress collapses the dollar and trashed the economy with their irresponsible spending of borrowed money and the huge inflation caused by that spending. (I have a strong hunch that many in congress in both major parties are simply mouthpieces for those who want International Governance and International Banking to rule everything but I can’t prove that and like everyone else have to go by what they do, and not what they say). However, both Democrats and Republicans live in fear of the Tea Party because they are (so-far) true independents, not people like Lieberman who think we should emulate the Communist Chinese and control the free speech on the Internet, the equivalent of the free press in the days of our founders. Unlike our president I don’t think we are “burdened with to much information.” Of course there are crazies on both sides and even our income tax is called a ‘progressive tax’ – invented by Karl Marx the founder of communism. A much fairer system would be one in which every one paid 18% tax, even the so-called poor who have been richer than even the middle class in some countries with color TV’s and automobiles, and who are certainly richer than any other ‘so called poor’ on the entire planet. However some in the current administration want to reduce us to the level of everyone else so we will all be equally poor and there is a probability that they will succeed. (Not this year or next but print this out and save it until the end of the decade and see how much better off we are then than we are now if we don’t get our insane spending under control). A flat tax where everyone paid 18% (along with a balanced budget amendment)no matter how much they earned would allow everyone who worked hard to keep what they earned and the harder they worked the more they would keep. In any event that is probably to down to earth or common sense to ever be popular, especially to those who make the rules and have a thousand loopholes to get around paying taxes. We prefer complexity rather than simplicity, a person with degrees rather than one with experience.
        However, a quote from “The Meaninglessness of the U. S. Constitution” (Chapter 5 of my last book) may be of interest on the topic of disarming honest citizens “In the first decade of the 21st Century the country of Australia banned handguns so that it’s citizens could not protect themselves from the bad guys. Violent crime immediately increased 40%. Innocent victims were again part of the great social experiment that proved when only the criminals have guns the public will suffer and often die….
        “In the year prior to the ban on personal self-defense in Washington, D.C. just over 60% of all murders there were by guns but after the ban, when only the criminals could have guns, the percentage rose, so that thirty years later the percentage of murders by guns in “the murder capital of the country” had risen to over 80%. In fact over the next 30 years the rate of murder rose and fell across the country but in the city where the citizens were truly defenseless it rose the most.
        “This should not have been “news” as Ireland first banned handguns four years before Washington, D.C. and the murder rate by gun rose dramatically, and over the years was well over twice what it was when citizens could defend themselves. In 1998 England and Wales got the bright idea that their citizens would be better off if they too were unable to defend themselves from criminals and they banned guns. The rate of crime by guns really took and increased 340% in the seven years following what I call these “support your local criminal” laws. I lost all interest in even visiting there after that.”
        One of the sad things in this country is that we have for the most part become so politically correct that we don’t report people like the mentally disturbed person who shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who should have been hospitalized long ago and then we make excuses for those for those like the major who killed all those fellow soldiers at Fort Hood. I do not know the answer to all the problems we have as a nation but a return to the God of the Bible and the spiritual beliefs, varied as they were, of those who founded our nation seems to be the only way I see of returning our nation from a broke and bankrupt busybody to the great nation we once were. We really don’t need another World War to prove we are unique in all the world and not just another Rome that has seen it’s best days. May God bless America and all who read this. Dum Spiro Spero!

        • stone

          Americans will never have their guns taken from them. It will never happen. NYC mayor wants to see more laws limiting who can get a gun.You can impose all the gun control laws you want. The criminals will still get their hands on one.

          I do not own a gun and don’t want one but would never try an stop anyone else. It’s a shame there isn’t some way to stop the underground trafficing of guns. Criminals and the mentally ill, will always fine a way.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Stone:

            I hope you are correct, but have my doubts. Der Fuhrer and Hillary are working with the U.N. to nullify our Second Ammendment and remove guns from our citizens.

            Unless we continue to elect more and more Tea Party candidates to Congress and state legislatures we will eventually loose our gun rights and / or our lives.

          • Denniso

            So why does Meyers live in Canada?

            At least two recent studies show that more guns equals more carnage to innocents. One survey by the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine found that guns did not protect those who had them from being shot in an assault — just the opposite. Epidemiologists at Penn looked at hundreds of muggings and assaults. What they found was that those with guns were four times more likely to be shot when confronted by an armed assailant than those without guns. The unarmed person, in other words, is safer.

            Other studies have found that states with the highest rates of gun ownership have much greater gun death rates than those where only a small percentage of the population is armed. So, Hawaii, where only 9.7 percent of residents own guns, has the lowest gun death rate in the country, while Louisiana, where 45 percent of the public is armed, has the highest.

          • JC

            Denniso, that whole premise makes no sense at all to me.
            First of all who commissioned (paid for) this study?
            What was the criteria for being shot while armed?

            Just because some eastern liberal University submits a report on any given subject does not mean it has any validity in the real world.
            A perfect example of this is the IPCC’s report by “thousands of leading scientists” which turned out to have about 6 actual climatologists involved…the rest were economic advisers and janitors etc…and most of them wanted their names taken off the final doctored report.

            I don’t buy any of it.

          • Dan az

            Dennso
            have you ever seen what a #2 pencil can do to your eyeball? Maybe we should outlaw them to!Now that your computer will be outlawed soon for provocation we wont have to put up with your dribble much longer right?

          • Denniso

            Use your brain…when was the last time that a no. 2 pencil killed 6 and wounded 14 people in about 15 seconds? Same goes for any other weapon. High powered,semi automatic guns w/ large clips are unique as killing machines. That’s why they should be controlled more so than a no. 2 pencil. Can you follow that?

        • Michael J.

          Richard Pawley,
          Thanks for your post. It’s encouraging to know that people are becoming aware of the scourge that is Political Correctness and the Marxist creators from The Frankfurt School. Political Correctness plays a role in almost everything that is wrong with this country and the world today. In other words the communist plan is working splendidly.

        • Carlucci

          Richard Pawley is right on. The people with the most common mental illness (God complex) are also described in Dr. Phil’s first book as the “Kings and Queens of the Forest”. Unfortunately, we all know people like this. They want the world to know that they are the next truly big thing, and everything they have and do is better than yours and you. They walk around with a superior attitude and treat everyone else like unwashed peasants. They are legends in their own minds, and are the kind of people that the rest of the world reacts to in a passive/aggressive way; i.e,. you would never tell these insufferable jerks that they left their car windows down on a rainy day. Sadly, many of them choose to enter the political arena, or become “educators” because they believe they know what is best for everyone and love to control others.

          The character Victor Komarovski from the book Dr. Zhivago said it best about Lara’s fiance Pasha, who went on to become a psychotic general in the Russian army: “There are two kinds of men and only two. And that young man is one kind. He is high-minded. He is pure. He’s the kind of man the world pretends to look up to, and in fact despises. He is the kind of man who breeds unhappiness, particularly in women. Do you understand?”

          Women like Pelosi Galore, and Hillary the closet lesbian also match this description.

        • Tinman

          Since you bring up God and the bible, your 18% tax rate is wrong.
          If 10% is good enough for Jesus then it is good enough for the Sh1t sucking government we have!

    • MR

      Don’t like Canada’s gun laws? Move to Somalia, the gun laws are none existent, so is government. A true libertarian paradise.

      • jim

        Are you so STUPID and IGNORANT that you don;t have the intelligence to grasp at all, what is being said!!!??? What a MORON!!!

        • skip

          Jim – review of your blog certainly defines who the moron is. By the way, those 14 police who were shot this week by gun carriers shows the value of carrying guns for self defense. No hope if our police are slaughtered, and they were slaughtered by guns, as best I can tell.

          • always right

            Those cops were shot not because the had guns for self defense but because they assumed that because of gun laws that the bad guys WOULDN’T have guns. Basically, poor police work. They died from dumb. (Ex cop here). Gun control is a fools game for dullards. It gives the naive, who believe in it, a false feeling of safety as they “know” that there aren’t any guns out there. Usually the find out the truth of their delusion by ending up on the wrong end of one, wishing they’d had one of their own and standing there 100% defenseless. Where gun control laws are tight, crime surges. Where they’re lax, crime drops. Read the facts & weep, “gun CONTROL” (because its all about “control”, not guns or criminals)…
            http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7212&context=expresso is not about controlling crimes. It is about keeping the law-abiding citizen disarmed.

            The best way to prevent gun crimes is to not sell guns to liberals. Because criminals love gun control laws (unarmed victims!) and lax law enforcement this would include virtually all criminals and most the minorities who are hugely overrepresented in gun crimes. This would address those who make Somalia, and most of sub-Sharan Africa, such a wonderful place.
            It’s all in that study to which I just posted the link.
            Russia has over 4 times the gun crime rate of the US and has an absolute ban on all guns. Can you “gun CONTROL” advocates explain that?

          • DaveH

            Good response, Always.

          • LeRoy Z.

            Skip, those police officers were not slaughtered by guns…they were slaughtered by people using guns. The guns don’t do anything on their own. It’s somewhat the same type of distinction people like to make when someone says Muslims destroyed the WTC on 9/11. They get all in a huff and stipulate that it was Muslim EXTREMISTS. Funny how the anti-gun crowd always misses this distinction. A criminal commits a crime and right away quick they want to take my gun away from me and every other law-abiding citizen. I saw a poll on crime statistics once in which convicts were asked what was the greatest deterrent to home invasion. Invariably, they responded that their greatest fear was that the homeowner would have a gun. The anti-gun crowd will NEVER tell you about anything like this though. I find it quite curious.

          • Jim Harrison

            How immoral! Those guns should be hanged by the neck until dead! Until now, I didn’t realize guns could kill people. I didn’t know they had a mind of their own. I always thought it was PEOPLE who killed people. Now I’m afraid that shotgun I have in my closet will load itself one night and walk out and kill me in my sleep! Maybe if I register it, it will have second thoughts and become a nice little law-abiding gun. Thank you for that lesson on a gun-free and safe America. If you had been one of our founding fathers, perhaps we wouldn’t be bothered with that pesky Second Amendment!

          • Vicki

            LeRoy Z writes:
            “…when someone says Muslims destroyed the WTC on 9/11. They get all in a huff and stipulate that it was Muslim EXTREMISTS. Funny how the anti-gun crowd always misses this distinction.”

            We should point out to the anti-gun crowd that AIRPLANES destroyed the WTC and that they (waves to Nancy Pelosi) must immediately surrender their airplanes and we will ban airplanes promptly as they kill people. ;)

          • PMS

            They were slaughtered by the people handling the gun. The gun didn’t jump out and shoot anyone by itself.

        • Art S

          Jim: I suspect that you are a liberal in all your thinking. Instead of providing a sensible plan, you resort to the liberal mantra of calling names for anyone who does not support your thinking. How does calling names make one safer?

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Has anyone heard any information regarding the religious / political leanings of the shoters of those police officers?

            I read a few months ago that the Muslims were getting ready to begin their next step in terrorizing the U.S. and that was shooting police officers and law enforcement individuals. It was going to be done in what appeared to be random fashon.

        • karen

          Jim there is no need to resort to calling people Morons. That type of retoric makes me glad you probably don’t have a gun or the knowledge,and poise gun owners possess to defend themselves.

          • always right

            Karen, there’s a greatreason for calling thoseo n the left and anti- 2nd Amendment people “morons”. It is because they are, at least from a practical standpoint.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Jim, Jim, Jim:

          Now, remember Der Fuhrer’s decree. We must be civil. You don’t want the girlie-mon Mathews (Mr. tinkle down his leg) blaming someone getting shot on you….

      • a1hunt

        I’ve been to Somalia. Felt pretty safe there with my rifle. It is true they do not have much of a government (and for that matter morons like you). That’s what makes it safer.

        • skip

          The last time I checked, Somalia was perhaps one of the most dangerous places on earth – pirates, wholesale slaughter, dragging our soldiers through the streets behind Jeeps. But perhaps your definition of safe is different than the rest of sane people.

          • chow

            That’s exactly it dumb azz! the soldier’s have guns too but they were defeated by the terrorist. but one thing you have to understand is no one in Somalia is prying on individuals because they’re all armed and all belong to a gang. If you can’t tell the difference between unarmed individual victimized by a crime to an armed individual killed in Somalia, there’s something terribly wrong with you.

          • DaveH

            Mexico has strict gun control. It works well doesn’t it, Skip?

          • DaveH

            Here is an example of how police feel about citizen rights WITHOUT gun control. Can you imagine how it will get WITH gun control?
            http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2011/jan/19/video_shows_utah_man_being_kille

            Heaven forbid that the “suspects” might destroy the evidence. Those drugs might harm somebody. DUHHH.
            Who are the real Criminals here?

          • LeRoy Z.

            Here’s a little anecdote some may find interesting. I went to Switzerland the year I graduated and traveled around the country for 6 weeks sightseeing and visiting relatives. In that entire time, I saw a total of one, that ONE, police car. I was sitting at an intersection with two civilian cars that had been in a fender-bender. The other curious thing was this. Time and time again, we would see groups of men walking down the street, boarding trains or buses, exiting drinking establishments, and they would be carrying machine guns, sidearms, rifles, you name it. And no one got worried, lots of people waving to them, talking, you get the drift. No one thought anything of it. I asked about this of course and got quite an education. Most of the time, when I asked about burglaries, I got very condescending reactions. I was very often told if I thought I could get away with burglarizing someone, go ahead and give it a try! What was going on was that all able-bodied men in the country were required to periodically undergo military training for, I think, 4 weeks. And everyone kept their military firearms with them at home, ready to go at all times. I’m sorry I don’t have a link to check the crime stats of that country. Might be interesting.

          • DaveH
          • DaveH

            Now, compare Switzerland’s prison population with the United State’s prison population.
            Switzerland has about 5,000 people in prison of a total population of about 7.8 million people (.06% of the population).
            The United States has about 7 million people in prison of a total popuation of about 320 million people (2.2% of the population).
            Yet, the families in Switzerland are required by law to have guns.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ufkwTM82e4&playnext=1&list=PLD6DD5A8F1F35AE7D&index=59

          • eddie47d

            Chow; Maybe you are the dumb Azz. Somalians pray upon each other all the time. The more guns they have the more the other person gets threatened. There is no safety in Somalia because of guns for it is just the opposite. Less government has made that country less safe not more safe and the gangs have taken over.

          • Vicki

            DaveH writes:
            “Here is an example of how police feel about citizen rights WITHOUT gun control.”

            Looks like murder most foul. Sad that even with clear video evidence the police get a “justified shooting” verdict. The guy with the golf club was not even advancing on the home invaders.

            Sorry the loss of civility happened years ago when no knock warrants were invented. Why would the victim assume that someone yelling “police” is actually the police? If someone were of a criminal nature and liked to do home invasions that is one of the tricks they would use to force submission on the home owner/occupant.

            Oh it’s illegal to impersonate a police officer? If they are breaking into an occupied dwelling thus breaking a bunch of laws already, why would they care about some silly little law like that.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Skip:

            The reason they felt safe dragging our soldiers around behind a jeep was due to the fact that dick-for-brains was in the People’s House. They knew he was focused on his next BJ and who he could molest than actually protecting our nation.

            In retrospect, they were correct.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Somalia is dangerous because the criminals have the guns. The warlords who take over by force have the guns. Arm the sane people, those who wish to have nothing more than a peaceful existance, and the trouble would soon stop. But when the evil folks and criminals have the guns, you have trouble. Case in point, look how much Australia’s crime rates have risen since they went to gun control. Look at Washington DC, right here in the states. They have the strictist gun control in the nation, and the highest crime rate. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

          • Vicki

            Beberoni writes:
            “Somalia is dangerous because the criminals have the guns. ”

            ONLY the criminals have the guns. Key word ONLY. We have to keep reminding people that the problems come from the uneven balance of power.

            Your original statement feeds the liberal myth that guns are bad so we have to be more specific.

      • Les

        LOL – MentalRetard Troll. DC has the strictest gun laws in the nation, it also has the highest per capita gun deaths. Hey, but not to worry, the point isn’t whether or not it works or makes sense; those laws just make creepy, self-righteous imbeciles feel holy. It’s too bad a good carrier wasn’t at the Tuscon rally to put a swift end to Mr.Crazy from the MR crowd. I can cite a thousand cases where the gunmen died when they jumped the wrong crowd. They should check their voter registration before they pull their piece.

        • DaveH

          I think it goes far deeper than that, Les. The politicians know that in order to fully step on the citizens, the first thing they need to do is ban guns. They will use whatever flowery promises they can muster to seduce the ignorant Liberals into being their pawns.

          • Lacey

            Look what happened in New orleans after Katrina. The first thing they did was go from house to house taking their guns away. What happened innocent people who could no longer protect themselves were being murdered by gangs and robbers.

      • DaveH

        That has nothing to do with Libertarianism, you Lying Liberal. Somalia has been in conflict since the mid 1970s when a Communist regime took over:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia

        You want chaos? Just vote for ever increasing Government and you will get it.

        • stone

          You can’t paint all liberals with the same brush. I know plenty of libs. who are gun owners and are against gun control. Congresswomen Gifford is pro gun.

          • DaveH

            Stone,
            A Liberal in my book is anybody who advocates Big Government as the solution. Thus many Republicans are Liberals.
            Conservatives agree with our Founders that the Best Government is Small Government.

            Do you think I care if some Liberals advocate gun ownership? Actually that is the only thing that scares me about gun ownership.

      • wandamurline

        I believe that Thomas Jefferson said it best….

        “Those who pound their guns to plows…..will plow for those who do not”

        I believe that this explains why Americans have the right to bear arms.

        • JC

          You might appreciate this.
          It’s taken from another blogger in another thread.
          He poses some very good questions:

          “How is the right to bear arms no longer appropriate to the current world? Has today’s government proved wiser, more noble, or more trustworthy than the government of our forefathers? Are there less people throught our land that will break any law they have to (including gun laws) to illegally take what they want than there were years ago? Is mankind less greedy, sinful, or governments less apt to become tyrannical than they were in the 18th century? Have we somehow figured out how to just get along? Until we do, until there is no more clash of culture or opinion and not one ounce of greed or lust of power in any living being’s heart, until there are no more laws broken or governments necessary; the innocent citizens will need their guns, because the criminals and the tyrants will have theirs.”

          Awesome huh? :)

      • Stan Smith

        @ MR dude you need to move to mexico lets see how long you will survive Even Law abiding mexican citizens can even own a gun due to their gun control laws murder rate is high no wonder why the mexicans are fleeing to the US legally and Illegally!

        • Yankee Will

          Mr. Smith? Mr.Clueless!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          The murder rate in Mexico is high, because the government is dirty and corrupt and in bed with whoever pays them the most dollars, and in their case, it is murdering drug lords and arms smugglers and people smuggles, you know, people doing illegal things. And all the criminals have guns, and have more force than even the police and government. They have gun control, and this is what you get. Lawlessness. Kind of like Washington D.C., you know, the city with the most crime in the country, and also, the city with the strictest gun control laws? Yes, its kind of like that. If your interested in the truth.

      • John

        MR, spoken like a true dumb-ass.

        Typical stupid liberal spin or should I same analogy?

      • JC

        And so speaks a clueless statist sheep.
        MR you know nothing of gun laws their history or the values of liberty. Please get back on your knees and worship your masters.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Correct.

          The governmemt is supposed to be afraid of the governed, not the other way around. That is why they have been working over many decades to slowly remove guns from our citizenry.

          The Second Ammendmant states that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon. ANY gun regulations are an infringement. Hence ALL gun regulations should be eliminated.

          The Japs stated that the ONLY thing that kept them from invading the U.S. on our west coast was the fact that they knew there would be a gun behind every tree. It had nothing to do with anything the facsist FDR did.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You are so right. The democrats want to remove all guns so that they can take control of everyone and everything. But they are too damn dumb to realize, that there will still be for one, a boat load of criminals that will have arms, and will grow in strength and prosperity if all the law abiding citizens are dis-armed by the government. And two, a lot of what used to be law abiding citizens, will raise their arms against this government trying to take their weapons, and there will be mass blood shed, as I truly feel, that we the people, will fight for our right to remain free, even from the tyranny of our own government. They try to take the guns, they will suffer much bloodshed, no doubt about it.

      • Vicki

        MR says:
        “Don’t like Canada’s gun laws? Move to Somalia, the gun laws are none existent, so is government. A true libertarian paradise.

        Last time I checked LAWS were non existent in Somalia. Not exactly the same as you try to infer. Let me give you the gift of knowledge.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

        Please tell us which of those is a libertarian paradise and which is what Somalia is.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I dont like Canada’s gun laws, but I dont have to move anywhere, because I dont live there. I wont visit there again either, as when I crossed the border they chose to dump out our clothes bags on the ground and were just downright rude, thinking of themselves as some kind of a god over me. They are a bunch of pacifist appeasers, who right now as we speak are in the process of being taken over by muslim influence, and they will willingly give it up without a fight. I guess its the french in them. Then one day they will call “Mr. American, help me, help me, and we probably will go and free them, so that they can poop their own pants again and we will have to clean it up. So I dont go up there anymore, and a whole lot of us that used to enjoy fishing trips up there, have all decided to put our money where our mouths are, and not give them a dime of it, as they dont deserve it. They are a bunch of patsy little girlie men, and are pretty damn stupid thinking making guns illegal will stop crime. All that does, and everyone knows it, is make it so two groups have guns. Criminals, and the government. And it will never fly here. We will fight before we surrender our arms. And I dont have one now, but when they first start doing this, Im getting two of them. And I guarantee you, the criminals already have theirs. Pacifism fails, each and everytime.

        • Capt Canada

          Sorry if your feelings were hurt because your clothes were dumped out. By all means judge all Canadians based on the actions of customs officials. However, if your attitude and demeanor in person were as arrogant and condescending in person as the tone in your blog. Your lucky they didnt do an anal probe. Given your attitude and obnoxious behavior, please do us all a favor and stay out

          By the way, just so you know, I own firearms, served in the military and vote conservative

        • Anthony

          Slow down pal. There are LOTS of pro gun owners north of your boarder. It’s like us saying you Americans are all fat greedy fools. Come on, let’s get real! Not all of us are in agreement with our STUPID LIEBERAL party. By the way, there are MANY U.S. boarder guards who are high on themselves too. Please don’t be so ignorant and group us all together.

    • http://www.roman-empire-america-now.com/Roman-Empire-blog.html Douglas C. Smyth

      Canadian criminals, and Mexican criminals get their guns from the same place: the US, where gun laws are lax enough that they don’t have to register them through various loopholes insisted upon by the NRA.

      If there were stricter control of guns, especially assault rifles and large magazine guns in the US, criminals in ALL THREE COUNTRIES would have a much more difficult time getting illegal guns.

      Actually, the most effective control would be over ammunition.

      Now, as to the notion that having a gun protects you: too often it endangers you and your loved ones, instead. Unless you become trained and comfortable in the use of a gun, having one in your house, is an invitation to a criminal to grab it from you and use it against you.

      That said, in rural areas rifles and shotguns should be available for hunting and to kill nuisance animals. They could easily be subject to registration, however, which would make it easier for police to trace them if they are stolen by criminals.

      • always right

        Oh pullleeezzzeeeee!!!! One cannot buy fully automatic firearms in the US without a Federal license and that is what is favored by the messican criminals. Their stuff is largely stolen from the army, up to and including M-2 .50 cal. machine guns and M-60. 7.62 machine guns mounted on Humvees, or purchased on the international black market by the truckload. If one can bring tons of cocaine into messico by truck or boat one can also bring tons of firearms. That’s a no-brainer to a rational person. A full-auto AK-47 can be purchased from middle eastern gun dealers for as little as $150. The guns in Canada are probably largely stolen in the US as canuckistanis can’t legally buy in the US under Federal firearms laws. The problem with your “logic” is that your own argument defeats your own argument. Obviously, gun CONTROL laws don’t work or the criminals in canuckistan wouldn’t have guns from the US, stolen or otherwise. They’d obey your stupid-arsed laws. But crimianls don’t obey laws, do they.

        • eddie47d

          Oh pleaazzeee always right, Not! Meyers is exploiting your fears and you are loving it. Canadian deaths per 100,000 is far lower than in the US and they have had gun control since 1892. Gun deaths reached a peak in Canada in 1975. There were 611 homicide deaths in 2008 and 200 of them were gun deaths. Only 5.4% of Canadians own a gun so they are doing quite well without Americas obsession with guns. Canada still has a small gang problem and they get their weapons from the USA. There are numerous articles on the lower gun fatalities so check out the web.

          • JC

            back that up! back ANY of it up!
            You’re making this up as you go.
            Canadians in the 1800′s were expected to be
            armed and ready form a militia at the drop of a hat.
            And how the hell was it that they had a registry in the second largest country in the world with such a sparse population…
            air mail?

          • Vicki

            JC says to eddie47d:
            “You’re making this up as you go.”

            Of course he is. You can tell by his lack of supporting cites.

          • Rob

            According to the United Nations, Canada ranks third among the developed
            western coutries (behind the US and Norway) in civilian ownership of
            firearms.[40] A 1992 survey sponsored by the UN reported that 26% of
            Canadians, over 7,000,000 people, own firearms.

          • eddie47d

            Vickie; Where is JC’s supporting sites? Why don’t you challange this “conservative” for “proof”. Sounds a little too convenient for me.

          • eddie47d

            Rob;In 1992 33% of Canadians owned guns. In 1997 only 17% owned guns. The first gun control law was in 1892 and called the “Criminal Code of Canada”.There has been 11 other gun control bills passed in Canada since 1920.

          • JC

            Actaully eddie, I belong to several Canadian Shooting Sports Associations. 7 out of 33 million Canadians are “registered” gun owners. By the governments own account, they estimate that 60% of Candian gun owners are non-compliant to the registry…so no one really knows how many guns or gun owners there are in Canada, although it is believed that there are some 80 million guns in the country. That would be due to the very high number of Canadians who are veterans and that Canada is a sportsman’s paradise.
            And that’s just fine by me.

          • JC

            eddie as for back up, I could post a few sites, but a Libertarian minded journalist I’m acquanted with summarized it quite well in this short article that was published in a newspaper.

            http://www.edmontonjournal.com/story_print.html?id=4151659&sponsor=

          • JeffH

            JC and Vicki, you’ll note that eddie is a great one for questioning and calling people out but he always “insulates” himself from producing the very same things he demands, usually by name calling or avoidance of the issues of “proof”. In short, he’ll “talk the Talk” but never does he “walk the walk”.

          • Vicki

            eddie47d writes:
            “Vickie; Where is JC’s supporting sites?”

            I don’t know. Did your dog eat them?

          • JC

            I did notice that he didn’t bother to back up any of what he said above…

          • always right

            as I said, you anti-gunners’ own arguments defeat your own arguments. Here’s your latest: “Canada still has a small gang problem and they get their weapons from the USA.”

            That is why Canuckistan has fewer murders: a “small gang problem”, not a large one like we have here. It isn’t the guns, Eddie, it is the criminals with guns. If it is the guns, can you explain why, with a known 295,000,000 gun in the US, there aren’t 295,000,000 murders every year? You also note that here, intentionally or otherwise, that the gun control laws are a failure as the gangs there STILL have guns, just as do the gangs in the UK, Ireland & Russia. Theirs DON’T come from the US. They come from the European and middle eastern black market, just as the guns in canuckistan would if they didn’t steal them in the US; yes “steal”. Funny thing about criminals: they’re armed in spite of laws and they commit crimes in spite of laws.

            I notice that you completely ignore the issue of messican guns.

      • Henryptnm

        Organized criminals don’t need the U.S. to get weapons. The biggest trafficer of automatic weapons and any heavy stuff is the Russian Mob. Look at the assault rifles and other guns what the Mexican Drug Cartel uses. Russian and Eastern European made. When the Soviet Union fell, a lot of weapons went unaccounted for. On T.V., they showed raids in Russia by Russian police on places where they found a lot of automatic weapons. Organized criminals always work together to their own advantage.

      • D. Melton

        Federal authorities say more than 60,000 U.S. guns of all types have been recovered in Mexico in the past four years, helping fuel the violence that has contributed to 30,000 deaths.

        Carter, 76, has operated four Carter’s Country stores in the Houston metropolitan area over the past half-century. In the past two years, more than 115 guns from his stores have been seized by the police and military in Mexico.
        Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16852188#ixzz1C9vbzjFq

        Do the math. 115/60,000=0.196%

        But figures lie and liars do figure….
        In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced — and of those, 90 percent — 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover — were found to have come from the U.S.

        But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-small-fraction-guns-mexico-come/

        5114/29000=17.6% That does not address the guns stolen or legally purchased and then sold. Last time I checked, possession of full auto weapons without the appropriate tax stamp could result in your murder by agents of the federal government.

        Want more?

        Allegations have surfaced suggesting that one of the guns used by Mexican bandits during the firefight in which Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed might have been smuggled into Mexico with the knowing assistance of ATF officials. If these allegations prove to be true, it is quite possible that the long troubled agency could be dismantled. Even if there proves to be no connection with Agent Terry’s death, the scrutiny generated by an investigation could crash the agency.

        Read more: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget? http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=253993#ixzz1C9xVogn8

        First your guns, next your speech, Then your property, finally your life.

        • Anthony

          Thanks to the ATF and the Obama government, the Mexican criminals now have in their possession 30,000 unaccountable firearms, admittedly sold to them by YOUR American government.NICE work guys!! Thank your government for fueling the fire and “protecting” their citizens.

      • wandamurline

        Are you for real? When you live in a country where some nut decides to fire on anyone, I like the idea that I have a gun in a holster that is hidden. I took several courses and learned gun safety and learned how to hit the small center dot in the target….so, I can sure as hell take our the perpetrator….I feel a lot less victimized because I have a permit to carry. I’m a 63 year old grandmother, and I have been using a gun since I was 6. You are an idiot if you think that you are safe from attack by some nutwad….as for me, I will continue to carry forever….because I know what my limitations are.

        • Vicki

          Wandamurline writes:
          “I feel a lot less victimized because I have a permit to carry.”

          Permit? You need a permit from your Master to carry a weapon? What country do you live in again?

      • David

        Get your facts strait. The firearms industry in the US is totally regulated. Every gun has a serial number and everytime it moves the paperwork must track its movement. The manufacturer sells it to the distributor, the distributor sells it to the wholesaler, the wholesaler sells it to the dealer who sells it to the customer. Each and every one of these transactions is logged in a hard bound book. Everyone in this chain must be licensed by the federal government. When the firearm is sold to the customer it is registered. The BATF regularly visits gun stores and checks the receipts of firearms against the inventory and sales. If one is missing the store is normally shut down. There is no way to buy an unregistered gun in the US unless it is done illegally or the firearm is so old it qualifies as a curio or relic. Almost all of the illegal traffic in handguns are stolen handguns. The US made M-16s that are showing up in the hands of the Mexican narco-gangs were sold to foreign nations who re-sold them to the narco-gangs at a huge profit. They may be US made but they were sold to a”legitimate” buyer with UN and US State Department approval. That buyer was not supposed to re-sell them but they did! Did it ever occur to you that truckloads of drugs illegally enter the US every day. Do you think for a second that the same smugglers don’t smuggle firearms into the US daily.

        • eddie47d

          That means that there are too many gun dealers who are willing to skirt the laws to get these weapons into the market.More insane loopholes that no one takes respnsibility for and petty excuses.(the other guy did it).

          • JeffH

            “loopholes” another liberal talking point with no real meaning.

            Federal background checks for all firearm sales are handled through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). This system is managed by the FBI. The entire purpose of NICS is to determine immediately if a person could lawfully purchase a firearm. This check is performed for each firearm transfer. Meaning every firearm type (handguns, rifles, and shotguns) are checked, and each time a person buys a firearm from a commercial dealer they are checked (if you buy one gun on Monday and another gun on Friday your background will be run twice). The Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) that the purchaser is dealing with will call their designated number and the system with either allow, deny, or delay the transaction.

            The “gunshow loophole” is somewhat of a misnomer as at a gunshow every firearm sold by a commercial dealer must be checked with NICS. However, private sellers do not have to go through NICS, but this is not necessarily a loophole as transfers between individuals are not exclusive to gunshows. BATFE agents do make regular visits to gun show.

          • JC

            Every American has the rights afforded under the 2nd amendment until they are declared criminal or insane. So if there are loopholes in the law…then the Law is an Ass anyway. There is no need for a law that has loopholes and no need for loopholes when there are no ridiculous laws of control.

          • eddie47d

            All laws are broken by someone at some time so there are indeed loopholes.Look at our tax laws ;loopholes up the kazoo. Those should be closed too.

          • JC

            Pretty consistent eddie…
            Again you point to laws that shouldn’t exist at all, in the first place.

          • JeffH

            Uh…eddie? I’m sure you can produce some evidence to your statements regarding the “gun law loopholes”, afterall this whole conversation isn’t about “tax loopholes” which has nothing at all to do with the subject. Are you trying to change the subject or attempting to deflect the issue in a different direction to avoid providing some substance to the subject at hand? I know the answer in case you choose to make some nasty remark.

          • JC

            American Rifleman Magazine did an article on the whole “loophole” hoopla…byu their own account and after investigating more than a dozen gun shows, BATFE found not one…not one, instance of any gun show loop hole being utilized. It’s a myth.

      • Average Joe

        Sorry Dougie, I must call BS on your comment.

        From Page 9:http://co120w.col120.mail.live.com/default.aspx?rru=inbox&wlexpid=708722B850CE4BB9ABEF53C540F21D9D&wlrefapp=2&wa=wsignin1.0

        BATFE In The Dark On Mexican Drug Guns

        Jan. 24, 2011 Agency experts admit they have no idea how many guns go to Mexico from U.S. Agency experts admit they have no idea how many guns go to Mexico from U.S. Has no way to get the information either “90%” figure used by U.S. media and government pundits is unsupportable No desire to get the number or conflict with public statements Exclusive to The Uninvited Ombudsman LAS VEGAS — In personal conversations at the SHOT Show with four high-level Justice Dept. officials, including knowledgeable BATFE experts speaking on condition of anonymity, it became apparent that a commonly cited figure used by the “news” media to attack American gun stores and gun rights is a complete fabrication. No method exists to obtain the information. The agency has no mandate or desire to do so. Even if the information could be obtained or deduced from what few records exist, they would be reluctant to release it to the public and anger their superiors, they say. From the head of the State Dept. to the heads of various departments within the agency, the 90% gun-running stat has been standardized despite it being completely false. Hillary Clinton, the current Secretary of State has publicly repeated the remark, made by Mr. Obama, who said at a Mexican press conference, “More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border.” FactCheck.org provides interesting background on the false nature of these quotes: http://www.factcheck.org/politics/counting_mexicos_guns.html New information, according to our sources: –Corruption, incompetence and inefficiency within the Mexican government itself prevents those officials from actually knowing how many guns they confiscate in the first place, from the illegal-vegetable cartels fighting Mr. Calderon’s failed war on some drugs. –An unknown number of these weapons are recycled right back into the cartels through bribes and theft, further clouding any numbers that are eventually provided to U.S. bureaucrats. Without these numbers, and ratios or comparisons are meaningless. –Mexico does not release such information in a forthright way to U.S. officials, and what we do get is of unknown quality or accuracy. This makes any comparison or ratio of U.S. traces to the totals mere guesswork with less credibility than a routine issues poll conducted by ideological groups. –An unknown percentage of confiscated-gun information in Mexico is sent to the U.S. for tracing. It is believed to be below 33%, and may be as low as ten percent or less. With no way to know this number, the percentages quoted by American leaders can barely be called propaganda. Only some guns with serial numbers or other markings, which may indicate a U.S. connection are submitted, making the quoted percentages preposterous. –Of the traces actually conducted, which itself is only a portion of the total, officials made it quite clear that while American origin could theoretically be determined for some segment of the traces, determining how many of these are straw purchase and hence from border gun shops is essentially impossible. They cited many reasons for this, including the fact that only the original purchaser can be identified. Guns bought years ago could go through many hands before making it to: a prohibited possessor (a likely source of many of the firearms, they said), an after-market straw purchaser (cannot be determined), theft (only distinguished if the then-current owner filed a report) or other means. The agency does NOT compile such statistics because they realize it would be a fruitless exercise in futility. Among the answers repeatedly given for why the numbers are so bad, why top officials are using the now openly bogus figures, what the chances for future improvement might be, and why they won’t publicly admit the truth or confront the leadership and help reestablish a semblance of credibility for the agency, were, “I have no knowledge of those statistics,” and “I have no access to that information.” Reports surfacing from South America suggest that cartels, overflowing with cash and influence, send truck convoys (not just trucks) to aging military warehouses in Central and South America, stuff them with firearms sent by the U.S. and other world powers over the decades to prop up various banana governments, and obtain more firepower in one load than an army of drug-lord indebted hos can buy on 4473 forms from legitimate dealers in a lifetime. Pictures staged by federal authorities to display captured weaponry, featuring fragmentation grenades, mortars, rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs), 20mm and 40mm cannon shells and other military ordnance not available from any U.S. stores, support the claims that drug cartels hardly need to shop at retail and pay sales tax. Additionally, the ever-popular communist-designed AK-47 and similar weapons might come through the U.S. in some cases, but the point of origin for these is obviously not the U.S., a fact completely ignored among all the fuss. One knowledgeable source believes that less than 10% of all Mexican cartel armaments come from U.S. sources, in the sense of illegal retail purchases smuggled across the border. Some U.S. originated arms, supplied to the Mexican government in an official capacity, leak into the black market as soldiers there desert by the thousands annually. No comments from the White House or the State Dept. have been received or are expected.

      • JeffH

        Douglas, your comments sound so familiar. Old arguments that have been refuted time and time again.

        More laws, more regulation, more restrictions. That’s the government’s answer to crime, especially to any kind of crime dealing with firearms. Today, we have over 20,000 local, state and federal laws which cover every aspect of using, owning, carrying, buying, transporting, storing and possessing a firearm. Yet, with all these new laws, the majority of which have been created since 1968, we have had more and more ILLEGAL use of firearms than ever before. Despite all the laws and despite harsher penalties.

        TEN MYTHS ABOUT GUN CONTROL
        MYTH 1 — Public opinion polls
        MYTH 2 — The purpose of a handgun
        MYTH 3 — Armed citizens don’t deter crime
        MYTH 4 — Licensing and registration
        MYTH 5 — Foreign gun control works
        MYTH 6 — Crimes of passion and guns
        MYTH 7 — Semi-autos should be banned
        MYTH 8 — No `right’ to own a gun
        MYTH 9 — Concealed carry laws are dangerous
        MYTH 10 — Gun control reduces crime
        http://www.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm

      • http://biggirlpants.typepad.com heidianne jackson

        so, douglas, how do you explain the high gun crime rate in russia? none of the countries immediately adjoining russia permit the owning of hand guns and yet… i suppose this is the fault of america’s lax gun laws as well?

      • Lacey

        1911,Turkey established gun control.From 1915-19171.5 million Armenians unable to defend themselves murdered. Soviet Union 1929-1953 20 million murdered. China 1948-1952 20 million murdered. Germany 1939-1945 13 million Jews and others murdered. Cambodia 1 million murdered. Guatemala 1964-1981, 100,000 mayan Indians murdered. Uganda 1971-1979 300,000 Chtistians murdered. ALL OF THESE AFTER GUN CONTROL ESTABLISHED. DON’T EVER EVER LET GOVERNMENT TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO PROTECT YOURSELF OR YOUR FAMILY.

        • JC

          Looks like 54.9 million reasons to own a gun to me.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Douglas:
        Huh? Whatcha been smokin’?

        If guns are so easily “smuggled” over our north and south borders what does that say about border security, on both side? Therein lies the problem.

        I don’t know about going north, but going south is a piece of cake. You just drive on down. My older sister and her husband have been nown near the border, on the south side, and have witnessed southbound traffic simply cruise across the border. Trucks, cars, vans, you name it.

        The answer to crime in Canada and Mexico is to arm the citizens, not keep them disarmed. See the post above with the blogger’s questions and answers that he posted.

        The point of the Second Ammendmant is to KEEP our citizens armed. This is to keep the government under control.

        The first American Revolution actually began when the Crown began trying to disarm the colonists. That would have allowed the Crown to become even more tyrantical over the colonies.

        The more afraid our gonvernment is of We the People, the better.

        Registering shot guns and rifles in rual areas to facilitate police in finding stolen guns? I somehow do not think the criminals are going to go have the police check their stolen guns.

        The only thing registration accomplishes is to help the police and government know where to go to confiscate them from honest citizens when the time comes.

        Vermont has virtually no gun regulations, and they have one of the lowest ccrime rates in the country.

        The only thing you stated that made any sense was the need for more training in the use and handling of firearms. We all need to be dead shots, and under all circunstances.

      • JC

        Douglas Smyth, I can tell you of all the legitimate firearms for sale in Canada, about 40% come from the States. The majority of hand gund sold here are Sigs.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Gee, you dont supposed that maybe a lot of them, are maybe, stolen? Oh yeah, more than half the guns they take off criminals, are stolen guns. People and gangs and groups steal tons of them, sell them across the border, and they make their way back here. Im glad that law abiding citizens are allowed to carry guys here. Because if they didnt, all you wankers crying for gun control, more than likely would be having your house broken into this week. You see, if the criminals know, that the law abiding working citizen cant have them, your house is easy pickings for them. All they have to do is come in, and they have a gun, and know you dont. Well, you do the math. Its pretty simple to see what would happen. Pretty darn simple.

      • Yankee Will

        Get that right our of the “Liberal B.S. Rhetoric Bible”? Keep spewing the lies. I’m sure sooner or later someone may believe you…

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Mike:

      The last I knew Canada had elections. When you elect liverals / communists this is the result. The people can get rid of the scum running their conntry at election time.

      However, it appears that Canadians have become bigger sheeple than we have here in the U.S. and would rather have dirt-bag politicians do their thinking.

      • JC

        Naw…it’s just the same as the US. less socialized than the US though.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        They are socialists. And that is why they are in big trouble. Look at their tax rate. You thought ours was high. Who do you think is paying for their socialized medicine? And yet you get a few wankers that write on posts that its good, and they havent figured out that through their exhorbitant taxes they have taken, is paying for it. Canada is in bad shape. They are financially strapped, and spiritually bankrupt. Thats how it is.

        • JC

          You make some good points about Canadian taxation and Medicare etc.. and they’re valid. But I can tell you from experience that Canada suffers a lot less Police enforcement of socialism than most would think.
          As for spiritually bankrupt…no more or less than the states.
          What Canadians and Americans are bothe guilty of is stereotyping each other. Neither side seems to recognize that the other is as “regional” in its politics and religion as the other.
          In other words, Alaskans aint at all like New Yorkers any more than Torontonians are like Albertans. So we are all guilty of using one big brush to paint an entire country the same color…and that just isn`t accurate.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You make some good points also, but Ive never seen our Police here enforce socialism. Many in this happen to be friends of mine, and they dont force anything on anyone. I fully support our local police force. Its our politicians I dont trust, and the guys I know in law enforcement, they dont believe as the politicians do either. The two are as different as night and day, and are not connected. Maybe they are in big cities like LA and Chicago, and that is scary. But at least not here. Not yet.

    • Jerry

      The more of the restricting gun laws the more easily for the criminals. If you prohibit any guns, no criminals will turn theirs. That is clear to any politician, police and even to brainwashed citizens pushing this prohibition. So government brass trying to destroy second amendment does not care about the guns in the hands of criminals. After all it is very small percentage of the general population. Any totalitarian country has the strict prohibition of any kind of weapons in general population. Hefty fines, years in jail and in some countries even death sentence for having illegal gun. But each of those countries has strong police forces (in what use to be Czechoslovakia one in ten citizens was reporting to secret police) and military. That force could and was used against any upheaval, demonstrations, making impossible for any political changes in the country. Government was always appointed by communist party and elections were the show for the free world. It was obligation to go to put the ballot in. No matter what paper you drop in under party watch, it was always counted as vote plus. If you did not vote you could feel the party arm, loosing the job, kids not admitted to higher education school…But since you refused to vote, you were branded as the antisocial element and you were taken out of the election list. So in communist countries the elections were always 100%, of course that could not be swallowed even by most communist loving countries of the free world. You could check statistics. It was always announced over 90%. Absurdity of elections like that is best demonstrated on one example. The toilet papers were folded leafs, not rolls like we know now. They were 200 leafs in the pack. Somebody managed to get this pack in the ballot box. It created problem, since there were more votes than voters. They had to look for the polling station with missing votes.
      Dictatorial government fear the own people. That is the only reason for any prohibition and the gun registry. Period.

    • Dogma-Free ‘The Trinity’

      So…a couple things:

      First off, Old John Myers stated by quoting William Burroughs. Yes, the very same William Burroughs who SHOT HIS OWN WIFE.

      That seems a little odd.

      Second, he talks about his life in Canada, in the city of Calgary…which has the population of 1 million or so. Then he talks about a gang-related killing, where an innocent bystander was also shot.

      That is horrible that innocent people get gunned down, but gang-related killings, where innocents get killed in the crossfire, are nowhere near the same thing as a LEGAL GUN OWNER GOING OUT OF THEIR WAY TO SLAY INNOCENTS EN MASSE.

      Also, Canada’s homicide rate (per 100,000 people) is about 1/5th of that of America’s.

      Also, again, if the Calgary gun crime is mostly gang-related, then that might be no different than the old Italian mafia days in cities like Chicago, I would imagine. Except that in Canada, only the gangs have guns, whereas in many parts of America, just about everybody has guns…on them…all the time.

      And yet, there’s that whole homicide rate statistic that tells us that the concealed carry argument that it actually makes the country safer, seems to have been proven as just more false propaganda…to serve the NRA, I would guess.

      • DaveH

        Do you Liberals ever step back and say to yourselves “Nobody is going to believe this”, or have you become so emboldened with your lies that you think you say anything and your audience will believe you?

        “just about everybody has guns…on them…all the time”?
        Where do you get this kind of BS? I don’t know, but thank you for exposing yourself as a blatant misinformer. Now go back to the Liberal websites where conjecture passes as fact.

        • JC

          Dave, Dogna-Fed is as always demonstrating just how completely twisted his mind really is.

          What he simply won’t face straight on is our natural and law given RIGHT to defend ourselves from criminals and other aggressors.
          Nope! DF feels that we can magically eradicate all guns and no one will ever have another evil thought and that we will all join hands and dance gaily in circles singing Kumbaya The Government is our Saviour…in other words, he is completely insane.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You avoid the truth totally on your post. In reality, if you ban guns, you know darn well the criminal would not turn his in. And crime would skyrocket. Everyplace that has ever practiced gun control, has had their crime rates go up. Common sense pal. When bad guys have guns, and they will get guns always, and good people arent allowed to have them, well, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure things out here. So put away your left wing liberal agenda, and join the human race, smell the roses, and see reality. It really isnt that hard to figure out what would happen if guns were banned. Of course, then there is that other thing, the danger of only the government having guns. Now that is the scary part.

    • Ray

      You’re wrong. There is also not a gun culture like there is in the U.S.

    • Average Joe Patriot

      I’ve owned these deadly things for the better part of 40 years, wherever they were legal, currently have several in my possession. Love ‘em. Never once has one “gone off” on it’s own. I’ve owned dishwashers and toasters and cars and chainsaws and coffee grinders. None have “gone off” in over 60 years.

      And in all the time I’ve owned these various dangerous things, none has hurt anyone. Yet.

      But I can say that having a weapon has prevented me, and others, from getting hurt or killed on a number of occasions. This cannot be said for the toasters or chainsaws I’ve owned. No, those haven’t hurt anyone either, but they haven’t prevented it, either. That is not their function.

      That is, however, the function of guns. To warn and protect.

      I can also safely say that all the gun laws in the world would not have prevented me or others from being threatened with them in the hands of criminal idiots. This is true of guns or also any other handy useful weapon. A knife, a lead pipe, or a bicyle chain. Or a gun. However, in a self defense situation, which would you rather have? Pepper spray? Or a .357 magnum.

      Once my wife and I were randomly attacked by an illegal leaping out of the backseat of a lowrider car with a screwdriver and I had to defend her with a can of corn on the sidewalk on our way home from the local groceria. When did this happen? Broad daylight, the day after I sold my guns, preparatory to our moving from Arizona to gun-free Massachusetts. Weird fate. No one ever attacked me (or us) when I carried openly during my years in Arizona. But one day after I voluntarily disarmed myself, we were attacked and had to defend my wife and myself with the contents of a bag of groceries.

      Moral: If you’re moving to gun-free Massachusetts, buy canned vegetables. You’re allowed to carry them openly there and, clumsily but ferociously handled, they can be a formidable defense against an intended screwdriver midday wife-stabbing.

      One day earlier and the fool would have had a gun muzzle up his nose, rather than a can of corn upside his head. And a more memorable experience would have been had by all.

      Looking back on it, I think canned corn should be outlawed. I could’ve killed the guy. But, self-constraint got the better of me.

      True story. More where that came from…from the streets where we live.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Corn kills, it is evident. It should be banned.

  • s c

    It is a FACT that some people can’t handle being FREE. They confuse being FREE with not having to THINK or be ACCOUNTABLE.
    Every time I hear about another move to restrict or eliminate gun ownership, I am reminded that that those who will not heed history are condemned to repeat it. That is a FACT that I can’t change. And, I wouldn’t change it if I could.
    Isn’t it wonderful NOT to see Queen Nancy sitting next to Biden when Congress gets together to listen to the prez? I wonder how she likes having to act like a mere mortal now [without being able to fly on an Air Force jet with family and friends]. It’s almost enough to make you think that common sense and sanity can be found in Washington (almost, that is).

    • http://deleted Claire

      Criminals will always get guns. And this is a sad fact because there are so many criminals and nutjobs out there. These creeps have ruined the freedom for decent people. Gun control is a tough call. I approve of conceal and carry but there has to be a way to prevent criminals and wackos from having guns. Look how easy it was for the Ft. Hood shooter, and the nutjob that shot Giffords. Plus the fact that sometimes a sane person can “snap” and wreak havoc. Stricter background checks? There is no solution to this problem other than allowing decent people to conceal and carry. According to polls, the U. S. has the highest crime rate of any other nation. If this is true, then something needs to be done.

      • Mark

        Claire, you have to be careful about your comment on the high crime rate in America. Right now, gun laws are more or less controlled by the state. So laws vary greatly from state to state, sometimes even county to county or city to city. Nearly without exception, those cities/states which have the strictest gun control laws have the highest crime rates(D.C., Chicago, for example). I live in Vermont which has probably the most liberal gun control laws in the US, and it is always ranked as one of the safest states by different studies that are done. Bottom line, its the person that kills, not the gun.

        • http://www.roman-empire-america-now.com/Roman-Empire-blog.html Douglas C. Smyth

          Vermont is relatively safe because it has no large cities, no large population of poor and desperate people, which is why laxer gun control laws obtain.

          It’s true that people kill people, but it’s so much easier with a gun.

          One thing the US should do is restrict or outlaw interstate gun sales of particular kinds of weapons–the kinds favored by criminals–and leave state laws alone to allow variations on need. NY State needs a much stronger gun control law, and has one, because of the large cities and large impoverished populations in many of them.

          What really kills people is desperation by other people, because most of their viable options have been eliminated. You have that in spades in a lot of inner cities. Make guns easily available just across the state lines, and people that desperate will buy them–and then go on to commit mayhem.

          • independant thinker

            So you are saying the poor have no right to defend themselves only the rich.

          • eddie47d

            I. T. He didn’t say that, only the different problems between rural Vermont and bigger cities. The problems have to be handled differently in different communities.

          • JC

            Every American has the rights afforded under the 2nd amendment. Period.

            If they are poor and desperate, it’s because we already have too much nanny state government enabling and keeping them that way.
            The problem of too much government is not solved by more government.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Gun crime affects a lot of people, and lets make it clear, I am all for people being allowed to have a gun, for the reason of self defense. However, if everyone is really concerned with people having guns, there is one thing that needs to be done. Profiling. Now as we look at gun crime, without mentioning any race, color, or creed, and we truthfully look at the statistics of who is involved in almost 80 percent of this gun play, and address that problem, we just may come up with a viable solution to making this violence stop. But when we play politically correct, and know there is a problem, but everyone is afraid to say what the problem is and bring it out into the open, and make those who are the cause of it to be held accountable for it, then nothing will ever change. As long as we keep doing this free pass for certain groups, because we either feel sorry for them, or are afraid to be labels, I dont know what the problem is, things are not going to get better. But accountability is the answer. Hold those accountable that are doing this the most. Gee, kind of like terrorist attacks. There is a certain group that does that, but we cant profile them to catch them either. Isnt this just peach. Political correctness is killing us, and making us victims of ourselves. Shame, shame.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Mark–Looks like my husband and I will have to move to Vermont. I am tired of the same old crap here in Illinois. I have read and heard on TV that the crime rate is higher here in America than a lot of other countries! And I believe it. Our judicial system leaves a lot to be desired. Our prisons are full to the max. And as much as I hate to say this, I do believe in the death penalty. An eye for an eye. If it offends thee, pluck it out! And yes, don’t tread on me! I am tired of paying taxes to keep the killers housed, clothed, fed, etc. when there are honest and decent people in the U.S. that live in poverty. It is an neverending situation. As I have posted numerous times, a person has a choice–to live a good life or live the life of a criminal. No excuses for being a criminal.
          I believe in conceal and carry. I am tired of the so-called laws that are made to protect the criminal. I am tired of the lawyers that get these bums off scott free. What about the decent people? Don’t we have a say in this matter? How many of the elected politicians want conceal and carry? Sure, they say a lot when they run for office but when they are elected it is a different story–same with illegals. I say to all politicians–put out or get out. Now all they can think of is repealing the health care reform. Okay, that’s fine. But it will take months and another year lost. Jobs, the war, the economy and illegals comes first, then get to the health care reform. Sorry folks if I offend anyone but this is how I feel. I am tired of the problems the administrations have heaped upon America and all Americans.

          • DaveH

            Claire if you look at this chart you will see that the murder rates have steadily declined since the earliest year (1996) on the chart in almost all states. What has changed since then? Are people becoming kinder and gentler? I doubt it, as we can see from many of the posters on this website. So what has changed? One thing that has changed is that most of the states have passed “shall issue” laws, meaning the permitting of people to carry their sidearms concealed:
            http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

            See the map in the next comment for a history of shall issue laws.

          • DaveH

            Here is a Gif map showing the history of shall issue laws in the states since 1986:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif

        • http://deleted Claire

          Mark–I understand the point you are making in your first sentence. And I fully realize it is the people that kill, not the guns, plus the fact I am thankful I do not live in Chicago.

      • bear

        You are right, Claire. The bad guys will always have guns. Why? Because everytime the gorernment passes a law against something, a black market is automatically created. When prohibition was eliminated, bootleggers and the undergorund Speak Easys disappeared. Look at the drug problem. We don’t only live in fear of the drugs, we live in fear of the ones who transport and sell them as well as the users. Those guys are fighting to keep the black market alive. It is their livlihood and they will kill you to protect it. Make drugs and marijuana legal and the problem’s landscape will change, as grotesquely as that may sound. Every time in every country around this planet when a government banned guns to legal, law abiding people, all that happened was their rights and ability to protect and defend themselves against someone WITH a gun, was taken away. Governments make honest people helpless when they enact such stupid laws. It is the lawmakers with that kind of mentality that are the enemy of a freethinking public. Guns do not kill people. Evil people with mal intent do! Pencils do not mispell words. People who are careless and do not proff read do! :)

        • D. Melton

          You neglect to include the real and documented incidents involving masked people armed with automatic weapons who kick down doors and assault innocent citizens under the guise of law enforcement.

          • http://msn joe

            bingo…..now…now that never happens, does it? wink…wink

          • using reason to attain knowledge

            It’ll happen alot more if you confiscate the firearms from the citizenry.Josef Stalins thugs used to kick in peoples doors and shoot them without provocation.What makes these liberals think it cannot happen here?

          • Harold Olsen

            Such things like that happen here in Seattle, where I live, quite frequently. The only thing is, cops don’t just kick down your door. You look at them wrong or ignore them when you are walking across the street and they are apt to shoot you. We have a prosecutor who refuses to prosecute killer cops. They supported his election so he owes them.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            D. Melton,
            It happens here in the US with real law enforcement, so what’s your point?? There was a man critically wounded in a bust a couple of years ago, in front of his wife and kid. The problem with this? THE WRONG ADDRESS!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You all can slap the cops around if you like, but Im not going to . These guys have a tough job, that I know about from friends being cops, and actually, some police shows adequately show it, where the cop drives by and the punk drug dealers and porch squatters give them the finger and call them pig, and they cant do anything about it. Yet you guys act like they just pick people like me up and beat me, and kick in my door and drag me out because they want to. If a cop comes kicking in your door, youve got a 99 percent chance that you have done something wrong, didnt appear in court like you were supposed to, or have done something else, and now it is time to pay for your crime. Ive see these guys arrest dudes doing drug deals, and the dude tells them “whats the use pig, Ill be back on the street before you go home for supper tonight”. And usually they are, because the judges and lawyers let them out, for the right amount of money. You tell me that wouldnt eat at you if you were a cop, to arrest these scumbags, just to have some rich lawyer in cahoots with a judge to let them out, again, and again, and again? Its baloney. Sure, I agree, there are some bad cops out there, but there are also some damn good ones, who take their oath “To Protect and Serve” quite seriously. I know, I grew up with them, and still hang out with them time to time, and I know what they go through. I fully support our police force, and these fine men and women who put their lives on the line to keep me and my family safe. And they do a good job here.

        • http://deleted Claire

          bear– My husband and I do not go around looking for trouble, but if trouble comes to us, we will handle it accordingly. My husband and I will keep our guns. There is no way my husband will ever give up his guns. No way. No ifs, ands, or buts. We will keep them. If the situtation ever arose and we had to defend ourselves, we will. I hope it never happens but if it does, it does.

      • chow

        Don’t compare the Ft. Hood shooter to the Tucson killer they’re two different apples. The Tucson killer is a whack job while the Ft. Hood shooter is a terrorist and a traitor.

        You’ll never be able to decry a terrorist traitor until the job they intend to do is committed, meanwhile you can tell a whack job anytime.

        • eddie47d

          Obviously Not!

        • Vicki

          A well armed and trained populace would easily be able to stop either the terrorist shooter or whack job shooter. Just look at Ft. Hood. Hundreds of well trained and armed soldiers….. Oh wait.

          Clinton disarmed them.
          http://blogs.federalwaymirror.com/markknapp/clintons-ban-guns-military-bases/56/

          • DaveH

            Vicki,
            Don’t confuse the Liberals with facts. They aren’t used to them.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thats right. One armed teacher in Columbine would have saved a lot of lives and wounds. One armed teacher or student at what was that, Texas El Paso where the guy was shooting everyone, could have taken him out before he killed so many. And someone armed could have stopped this terrorist Ft. Hood guy. And in Tucson, one armed cohort of Gabby’s Giffords, or a person in the parking lot, could have and would have saved a lot of life and problems. But the evil guilty ones all were the ones that had the gun, where the law abiding people didnt. Just think what would happen if the whole country was this way. Mass gun control would bring this, where bad cats like this everywhere would be shooting their way to prosperity, and no one would be able to defend themselves. Criminals would be having a hey day, no doubt about it.

          • Vicki

            Beberoni writes:
            “And someone armed could have stopped this terrorist Ft. Hood guy.”

            Someone armed DID stop the terrorist. The problem was that when the shooting started he (a police officer) was only minutes away.

            “The incident, which lasted about 10 minutes,[28] resulted in 30 people wounded, and 13 killed — 12 soldiers and one civilian; 11 died at the scene, and two died later in a hospital.[29][30]”
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

            Those soldiers that tried to stop the terrorist were easily felled by being shot.

      • always right

        “According to polls, the U. S. has the highest crime rate of any other nation. If this is true, then something needs to be done.”

        This is absoulute poopaganda. REad the following report: http://law.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7212&context=expresso

        Polls mean nothing. They’re opinions of people who for the most part are ignorant of the facts. That study has the facts. There are many nations with a higher per-capita gun crime rate than the US. You also have to bear in mind that the US has about 295,000,000 guns in circulation and canuckistan and the UK have none, yet they still have thousandas upon thousands of gun crimes. So it isn’t a matter of how many guns there are. The US wins that numbers games as we’re close to one gun for each person in the US and that is just the ones that the gubmint knows about. The determining factor is a matter of how many criminals there are per capita. Today in the US 294,999,000 harmed nobody. The other 1,000, in a population of 304,000,000, were used by criminals, most of whom can’t legally own guns under the terms of their priors. If they couldn’t use guns they’d have used knives or baseball bats.

        • Carlucci

          “Poopaganda”. That sums it up perfectly. Gonna start using that one. How does this sound – B.O.’s teleprompter “speech” last night was pure poopaganda.

          • eddie47d

            No teleprompter for Obama but Paul Ryan sure did use one. (Ryan is a very good speaker)

          • Vicki

            Eddie47d. What evidence do you have that Obama did not use a teleprompter? Was his speech that disorganized?

          • DaveH

            Eddie doesn’t need no dam proof. We should just take his word for it.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            We all need to listen to eddie. He knows what is right for all of us. Blindly follow his every word but pay no attention to it, like he does with his fearless leader, Barry Soetore, I mean Barack Obama.

        • Capt Canada

          Where do you get your fact? No guns in circulation in Canada! Funny early blogs note that approximately 30 percent of Canadians own firearms. Oh, I get it you dont count muskets and black powder rifles. Since thats all we use up here when we leave our igloos to go hunt. Jeeze how asinine can you be.

      • kate8

        Claire – One problem is that the the criminals don’t necessarily get guns legally. Guns pour across our border illegally and are sold illegally. So making stricter gun laws only hurts those who obey the laws.

        Do we have the highest crime rate? I don’t know, because it depends on what one considers “crime”. In some countries murder of certain people is not considered a crime. But also consider that much of our crime is committed by foreigners on our soil, whether legally or illegally.

        We need to look at the whole picture here, and we also need to understand how the facts are manipulated in pursuit of an agenda.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          kate8,
          I’m quite sure that if the government would do their job and seal the border and deport all who are captured or detained, the crime rate in the US would lower drastically!!!

          • http://deleted Claire

            JoeH–You are correct, if the drug dealers could be eliminated, that would help too.

          • DaveH

            They could be eliminated, Claire, almost overnight, by decriminalizing drugs. But then, neither the drug warriors nor the drug lords want that, because both would lose their livelihoods. So expect to hear more horror stories everytime somebody suggests such a thing. Read this, Claire, and open your eyes:
            http://mises.org/daily/4842

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Not only the drug dealers Dave, but the lawyers, judges, polticians, dea and others are getting fat rich off of this “war on drugs” What it is, is a war to see who can get their hands on not only the government billions they supposedly spend fighting drugs, but on the bilions of profits the drug lords disperse to all these fine fellows to let their shipments roll in to this country. Your right Dave, these fellows want it to remain illegal, for that is wherein their money lies. If it were legalized, the money would go into the public coffers where the common man just might benefit from it, and they dont want that.

        • http://deleted Claire

          kate8–Yeds, it is always the “pursuit of an agenda.” It remains to be seen in the days to come just exactly what the politicians will come up wiht, more stalling? More acting like it is an issue they don’t have to or want to deal with? I think they will do more stalling, just like the illegal situation.

          • http://deleted Claire

            “Yes”

        • Vicki

          Kate8 writes:
          “We need to look at the whole picture here, and we also need to understand how the facts are manipulated in pursuit of an agenda.”

          Or we could use common sense. A free, moral and armed populace is much safer.

          • kate8

            Vicki – So much the better.

            I often lament the death of common sense in America. A good dose of it would cure a host of ills.

          • Vicki

            Come to think of it that piece of common sense is right there in the 2nd Amendment. “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,…”

            What is the militia? US Code Title-10 311
            Or

            “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”
            — George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
            http://www.constitution.org/mil/cs_milit.htm

            All comes down to a free, moral and ARMED populace, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

            Silly forefathers. How dare they write out common sense as though liberal elites couldn’t figure it out for themselves. Oh wait.

    • BERT

      GOOD STATEMENT S C
      I ALSO ENJOYED VERY MUCH SEEING QUEEN NANCY APPEARING AS A MEER MORTAL IN THE SEATS WITH THE OTHER LOW LIFE. JOHN LOOKED GREAT UP THERE, ALMOST LIKE AMERICA WILL HAVE A CHANCE AFTERALL.

      • jim

        You are SO RIGHT ON, ole nancy the over painted HAG no longer gets to be QUEEN and transport her carcass back and forth to DC on jumbo jets which cost HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of OUR tax dollars, just so she doesn’t have to stop in Chicago!!! YES there is HOPE, NOW we need to IMPEACH ole barry the Socialist Kenyan Muslim Illegal pres!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Dont give the old painted hag so much credit. Im sure she is still figuring out ways to spend loads of our money, and she will until her illegal alien loving butt is voted all the way out of politics.

      • bear

        My wife’s comment was that “finally, we have someone who is actually handsome to look at.” LOL Well, it’s true……..but he and the rest of the Republicans/Tea Partiers will have their hands full dealing with these progressive Marxists. Obama is calling for bipartisanship in the months to come. where the hell was bipartisanship during the past two years? Our new electeds ran on a platform of controlled spending and smaller government. That means repealing a lot of the crap these progressives have shoveled down our throats under the old regime and passing new legislation to see that an imposter doesn’t get into the White House ever again. I feel that the reading of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights has been in order for a long time. Now, a written examination following that reading is in order.

        • stone

          Except when he is crying and looking like a fool. Boner, yes I said Boner is an ass. Surely the GOP could have elected someone other than him, someone with more years in congress and more stable. How many more times are we going to witness his tears. He almost did it again last night. Even when he is not crying his eyes look bloodshot, could he be a drunk.

          • Carlucci

            Everybody has started calling him the “Weeper of the House”. Let’s face it, from B.O. to Pelosi Galore, they are all full of poopaganda, and that’s the nicest thing I can say about any of them.

          • Lacey

            Stone there is nothing wrong with having a tender heart towards GOD and your country. I just hope he has what it takes to take out the communist president in office.

          • http://deleted Claire

            Carlucci– LOL I had to laugh at your post but I agree with you.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I was confused by your post, and then it hit me, how silly of me. I forgot those on the left have no heart or no emotion concerning all that is good for this country, therefore, how could I, or anyone, expect you to understand that someone actually loves their country enough that it brings tears to their eyes, when they see what the democrats have done to it. How silly of me.

        • Vicki

          Bear writes:
          “Obama is calling for bipartisanship in the months to come.”

          Of course. Obama needs the Republican votes.

          Bear: “where the hell was bipartisanship during the past two years?”

          Obama did not need the votes. :)

          • JeffH

            Vicki, yer killin me…LMAO!

          • Vicki

            JeffH. I am only stating the obvious. :) It is amusing though.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The true sign of a desperate party, the democrats. They have lambasted and cussed at and painted the republicans as outcasts who arent worthy of listening too, and now, when they are rendered powerless, they come crawling back, crying to reach across the aisle, trying to impress folks, hoping they werent paying attention these last 2 plus years. Well, I was paying attention, and so were millions of others, and this desperate move is another misfire by the democrats. After wanting nothing to do with bi-partisanship when you had complete control, and basically telling the other side you dont care what they think or want, and now you reduce yourselves to this? Come on man, what, are we stupid? Obama and the democrats are a lost cause, on their way out the door, and are desperate, and its going to be fun watching them circle the drain these next two years. Bye bye boys, it hasnt been nice knowing you. Oh yeah, and take Hillary with you please, and dont let the door hit you on the way out. And Michelle, please dont pull a Hill and Billy, and leave the furniture there when you leave. Thank you.

      • Tom from Idaho

        I Wholeheartedly agree, Bert!

    • Harold Olsen

      I’m glad you said “almost.” I don’t believe our so-called lawmakers in Washington, DC have any idea what common sense is nor would they know how to use it if they did know what it was.

      • ace

        IF ANY OF THEM HAD ANY COMMON SENSE THEY WOULDN:T BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!

      • DaveH

        Sorry, but you’re both wrong. The Politicians are riding happily on the backs of the citizens. It is the voters who have no “common sense”.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thats right Dave. We are the ones that put them in there. And it us who will take them out. Each time they refuse to put this country first, vote them out and try someone else. It make take awhile, but when they start seeing they will be sent home if they dont represent us and put us first, slowly but surely, they will get the picture.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Oh, Im sure Pelosi still gets along. I would imagine she has it figured out how to still travel free, stay free and eat free wherever she goes. She is a sponge on society, just like the left wing liberals she serves that live on unemployment, food stamps and welfare.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Wow, three front page gun/ammo articles. Your paranoia is getting even more obvious.

    • Greg

      It is my sincerest hope that you have the same experience I had of taking fire from a group of punks with guns while I was unarmed. You will find a new meaning and appreciation for God, life, and the true freedom of being able to defend yourself.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Too bad those punks had guns.

        • Les

          And how do you plan to stop them from getting guns?

        • Greg

          Agreed, but do you think that even if they didn’t have guns they wouldd’ve been at Church service instead of looking for trouble? Or is it more likely they would’ve had some other type of weapon? Were I armed they would be dead and society would’ve improved.

        • Brad

          Doc,

          You don’t understand, the criminal can get their hands on any type of weapon they want for penny’s on the dollar. The legal gun owner has to go through hoops just to legally purchase a hand gun and then wait 14 days in certain states. You sir are clue less, one day you might sing a different tune if you are held up at gun point.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I’ve been held up. I’m glad neither one of us got shot.

          • Brad

            Doc,

            Why haven’t you started a movement to disarm the criminal in this country? What are you affraid of, that criminal coming back to take from you again, so tell me where was the police when you needed them the most?

            The day when the criminal doesn’t have access to weapons of any type is the day I turn my weapons over to the police department! Until that day comes I’m keeping my weapons and will use them to protect my family. I have been trained and by the military; I even requalify annualy so I’m up on current law and criminal procedures.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Brad,
            That criminal is in jail for his crimes. Many thanks to local police.

          • Brad

            Doc,

            That’s great, but there’s thousands who get away with theft while in posetion of a gun every single day. I wish the police could stop all of them but they can’t, they are spread thin as it is.

          • eddie47d

            Brad; Criminals can get there hands on guns for a variety of reasons but mostly because of our loose laws and careless citizens who have their guns stolen.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            You are FULL of poopaganda!! If you believe that the lax laws are the reason crooks get guns, you have one screw too tight and one missing!!!

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:
            “Brad; Criminals can get there hands on guns for a variety of reasons but mostly because of our loose laws and careless citizens who have their guns stolen.”

            Wow I am in awe of another unsupported eddie fast factoid.

          • eddie47d

            Where’s Joe’s facts Vickie and Joe where are your facts to prove me wrong?

          • JeffH

            Joe and Vicki, a simple case of liberal eddie’s “do as I say, not as I do” hypocrisy.

          • Vicki

            Eddie47d writes:
            “Where’s Joe’s facts Vickie and Joe where are your facts to prove me wrong?”

            You made the assertion Eddie. It is up to YOU to substantiate it.
            Should we disagree with your source we can, at our discretion, assert that it is in err and provide our evidence to substantiate our assertions.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Ive been held up too Doc, and unlike you, I didnt like it a bit. Had a had a gun on me at the time, I assure you, this punk that robbed us wouldnt be robbing anyone anymore, and I would have saved the legal systems some time and money, because guys like this one, are in and out of the system constantly, sucking tax money out of all of us right and left. Now mind you Doc, I dont believe in violence. But I absolutely do believe in the use of self defense. Someone pulls a gun on you, and your packing, only one thing to do, come up shooting if you get the chance. Just as I will walk from a fight if I can, but when someone insists on delivering their force upon me, which has happened a couple of times in my life, I find them jelly in my hands as I am putting them down on the ground leaving them writhing in pain. Then I hurt them real bad. I call the cops and an EMS for them. Then they get the 600.00 EMS bill, and I file assault charges on them. Vengeance is my says the Lord, and just sometimes, he uses his servants on this earth to deliver his revenge. Amen.

      • http://guncontrol Eileen Barayasarra

        Greg, you are SO RIGHT! Those of us who have been in danger see it a little different from those who have not. In 2005 when I was 66 a young man came in my back door. If I had not had my pistol he would have killed me. His own daddy said so at the court house a week later. When seconds count, police are only minutes away. They arrived within 2 minutes AFTER I finally had time to call them! Not one of them was here when he was coming up the stairs toward me! Thanks to my pistol, I am almost 72 and I AM ALIVE!!

    • Crashaxe

      So how many guns do you own?

      • Dan-o

        Doc is obviously scared of guns, I’m sure he doesn’t drive ether since cars are an even bigger killer than gun. Car will be the next thing to be illegal, there will only be public transportation run by our government.

        • Doc Sarvis

          I own a 30-30 and a 12 guage shotgun. Oh, and two cars.

        • eddie47d

          Dan-o is just being a smart azz.

          • JeffH

            …another fine example of eddie’s hypocrisy…

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Seems it takes one to know one.

    • always right

      I’d have to say that the “paranoid” is the one who thinks that guns, inanimate objects, incapable of doing anything and in themselves as harmless as a fence post or lawn flamingo, are going to harm him and should be banned. What’s next, Mr. Paranoid? baseball bats? Plastic “sporks” that can be used to pop an eyeball? Table legs? Lug wrenches?
      When lug wrenches are banned, only criminals will have lug wrenches.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Aint no paranoia about it Doc. After Obamination did his speech, he went to his party who informed him in a couple of weeks they would be coming out with a new gun control bill. They have seized on this shooting to make a political move out of it, just as they did on attacking and blaming Sarah Palin. They are low life opportunists who lack any kind of moral fabric in their being. To try to capitalize on someones shooting is despicable. They have no honor, corrupting the truth for their own political gain. But rest assure Doc, us normal people, and even many of their previous followers see right through these hateful measures that the democrats have taken. They have just given us thousands upon thousands of new voters. People are as dumb as they think, and their stepping to new lows in their now desperate times is exposing them more and more to ones who didnt see their vile ways before. They are crashing and burning right in front of everyone, and Im loving it.

  • Jack Gordon

    OK, enough isolated anecdotes. Take a look at the overall stats and you will quickly discover that gun crime in Canada is a VERY small part of the total picture. I’ve lived for years in Quebec and in New England, and I can tell you that guns are a BIG problem south of the 45th parallel but hardly cross the mind of Quebec citizens. The only people who seem to see it otherwise are American right-wing dingbats, the gun zealots at the NRA, and those who fall for their deceitful propaganda. Face it: The US is no longer a cowboy nation and it no longer needs the cowboy thinking illustrated by this ridiculously tendentious article.

    • rob mull

      Which would a criminal prefer to assault or rape, Jack; a gun zone or a “no” gun zone? And why is it that all the law makers who want to ban guns, either have their own, or a cadre of body guards that are “packing?” And, by the bye, Jack, they’re not called “Cowboys” anymore,[Cowboys are the "good" guys or a football team] they’re called “thugs” and “gangstas’”. Any questions, Jack, or are you beyond all that “unwashed masses” tripe???

    • Greg

      My reply to Doc Sarvis is also directed to you Sir. You are indeed a fool if you think that you are immune to gun related violence/crime.

    • Danny Buckles

      Jack Gordon When you find yourself and or your family held at gunpoint or being shot to death by criminals. You may also find yourself wishing or even praying to GOD that there is someone there with a gun to save your stupid butt.

    • BERT

      JACK GORDON
      DONT EVER TURN YOUR BACK, STAY AWAY FROM ALLEYS, AND NEVER LEAVE YOUR LOVED ONES ALONE. ALSO, DONT CALL THE POLICE COMPLAINING, WHEN YOU COULD HAVE DEFENDED YOURSELF.

    • Crashaxe

      Jack, when the robbers come to rape your wife and girls at gun point and then kill and rob you, just remember, the police are on there way to save you and ask the thugs if they could stand by for a few minutes as the average response time is about 20 minutes.

    • chow

      I don’t think you understand the meaning of gun ownership in America. For me it’s to defend myself from our own government and that’s what the founding father’s intention of gun ownership is all about.

    • http://guncontrol Eileen Barayasarra

      Jack, scroll up a ways and see my comment. MY GUN SAVED ME FROM A METH ADDICT WHO ENTERED MY HOME! You have made up your teeny little mind and you CHOOSE not to believe such a thing can happen! IT HAPPENED TO ME!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Eileen Barayasarra,
        Yes but as I sure Jack will tell you next, they don’t have meth addicts in Quebec as it, like guns are against the law!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          But they do have French blood, which will make them curl up into the fetal position and call out “Help me Mr. American”, when they come under attack, because they are truly, first and foremost, pacifists.

    • always right

      Jack, ol, buddy and obvious canuckistani socialist: That “propaganda” you refer to is called the 2nd Amendment. Its not our fault that canuclistan iss a nanny state full of girline men who can’t be trusted with sharp objects or firearms. Maybe you should move south where we’re still free and will remanain so as long as we’re armed.

      • http://msn joe

        very well said always you obviously know canadian …man????

        • Canadian Conservative

          Joe, you don’t have anything intelligent to say. You are a moron. Both you clowns are more than welcome to come and visit me. I will show you who the nanny boy is. If you want to bring your guns, go ahead, I have plenty too.

          • eddie47d

            Good for you Jack. Those on the right always take the issue to loosing their rights and gun bans. Neither is eminent but they all talk as if it is tomorrow. Their own extremism’s will someday bring the full force of the laws down on them. They will only have themselves to blame. There is no reasoning with them.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            you know, I’ll bet there was a time that canadians and Austrailians said there is no way the government will ever try to ban our guns! And look at them now!!!

          • JC

            Joe, I live in Canada and I own handguns and semi automatics.
            No one is disarming Canadians (yet). The difference is that we’re not allowed to walk around in public with loaded guns.
            The government here has registered some 7 million firearms in a nation of 33 million. By their own account they believe that over 60% of the guns in Canada are not registered as people refuse to do so.
            Maybe these people know history better than we think.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            So you can stand up like a man, good for you. But the other 99 percent of your men are sissy french influenced boys, who will run and hide and call out for someone to come save them. We all know down here in the states, how the french are. Come save me Mr. American. Help me. Yeah, its like that, and we know it.

      • JC

        You are an absolute idiot. The “epitome” of the Ugly American and I’m ashamed to have you as a countryman.

        Ignore this jerk Conservative Canuck…he’s the essence of what is wrong with the US today and the reason that America has earned the enmity of the planet.

        • libertytrain

          I’m inclined to think when people behave that foolishly with their posts, they are trying to disparage the side they give pretense to follow.

          • JC

            Probably. We need to call them on it.

    • thinking

      The gun only hurts or kills someone when the trigger is pulled. We have lots of gangs, lots of metal health issues, yet we want to remove guns and not work on the problem. Talk about gangs, thiefs, murderers and you will find many are illegal people that crossed the border, durg cartels, mafia and so on. We have on the internet how to make bombs, and how to steal from others amoung many good things. The reason many die by guns is we are a free nation with choices. You will find that with freedom comes risk. Do away with our freedom and there will be less murders, but then more people in jail.

      • taxpayer

        By the way how do you think the chinese, north koren or Russians protect them self? Think maybe a government hit squad can make a judgement that you must die and therefor it is ok to kill you without anyone knowing except your niegbor that falls in line or have the same done to them. How many people in the world die from their government making the call? Of course there is no way of knowing as governments would not track that kind of thing. So it is possible for many in many countries to be killed yet not recorded, except for countries that have guns to protect themself.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          The Russian way of life changed when their socialism collapsed, where you know, the people werent allowed to have guns. And North Korea keeps its people under control, because they have guns and the people arent allowed to. And some of you want to instill that here. Amazing. And the Chinese are the same way. Terrible record of human rights. They take opposition leaders and kill them or jail them, and control their people by having guns and the people dont. This is the sad type of life we will have here, if we enter into the era of making it illegal to have guns. I guarantee it. Look at these countries, and how they are. The people are not allowed to be armed. This is our future if we follow suit people. Pay attention please, its not that difficult.

    • DaveH

      For anybody who doesn’t just want to take Jack’s word for it:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And Canada depends on us to keep us safe, so whats your point.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Typo. That should read, and Canada depends on us to keep them safe. And they do. While they spit upon us.

        • JC

          Your “generalization” is a little over the top Beberoni.
          Are you suggesting that you know how 33 million people feel about the US?

          I can drive around the countryside here in Southern Alberta and see the Stars and Stripes hoisted right next to the Maple Leaf at the head of a very many driveways.
          And there are thousands of Canadian troops in Afghanistan right now serving right alongside of American troops.

          Perhaps you’re referring only to “liberal” Canadians…who, like American Liberals, seem to spit on everybody…(?)

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You may be right, I stand corrected. I just dont see many Canadians speaking favorably of the U.S. Like many countries, it seems then benefit mightily from us, then tear us down. I guess the liberals there, much like here, seem to get their voices heard more, whereas the conservative is silenced by the media, like here in the states.

  • http://printing-for-profit.com Gary Larivee

    If an “expert” searches hard enough one anecdote to prove a theory can always be found. Any US city with over a million population has more gun crimes in a year than all of Canada.

    If you need to carry a hand gun to prove your man hood to yourself perhaps you should move back to the USA.

    • BobS

      That is because most of the big cities are in states that have gun control. Look at the crime rate in the big cities that are in states where you have a right to carry, it is much lower. I don’t carry because I have to “prove my manhood”. I carry to protect myself and my family and people like you that are afraid to carry to protect themselves.

      • Crashaxe

        AMEN!

      • Karolyn

        I believe that people who carry guns are expecting trouble, whether consciously or not and will eventually get it. And I am not anti-gun. Where I live, just about everybody has at least one gun. It’s a very rural area, and there is little crime.

        • D. Melton

          It’s better to have and not need than to need and not have.

          Handguns and fire extinguishers: there are no substitutes!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Karolyn,
          My mother(actually step-mother) who lived to 96 and raised three kids on her own, on a waitress salary had a very good saying about your statement. Expect the worst and hope for the best! that way you are ready when the worst comes!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I have to disagree Karolyn. Many I know who carry guns, do so after the fact of having been accosted before, and have vowed to never have it happen again, and have armed themselves. And these are good, hard working Christian people, who do not want to feel that helpless feeling again. While yes, there are some hoods who carry guns because they go to places they probably shouldnt be going to , and doing things they probably shouldnt be doing, but there are millions of law abiding citizens, who have no plans to ever acost anyone with their gun, or even show it that they are carrying one, all to have the peace of mind that it is there incase it is really needed. Thats what is all about.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Gun homicide in the United States, believe it or not, is led by Louisiana in rate per 100,000 people, at 12.74 percent, with 574 being the number of homicides. But California, at 6.67 percent, leads in homicides with 2392, followed by Texas with 1364, then New York with 889, Florida 883. In California, a carrying permit is deemed worthy for one to have by the local sheriff. In Texas, you dont even need a permit to carry a loaded hand gun when walking from a place to your vehicle. Its called a peaceable journey law. That is why Texas has a lot of homicides, for two reasons. One is illegals causing crime on the border, and two is, the citizens are armed and stop criminals in their tracks. New York and California, its pretty much the criminals doing their thing.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Oh, and by the way, for all you people who say Sarah Palin incites violence with with shooting guns and hunting and such. Her Alaska, listed 37 homicides on this same list. Lets see, liberal California, under Pelosi with 2392, and Palin with 37. Hmmm. Now who is really dangerous?

    • BERT

      GARY LARVEE YOU ARE RIGHT
      HE WOULD BE BETTER OFF ALL THE WAY AROUND, BY MOVING BACK TO THE USA.
      GOD BLESS AMERICA, TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER SPOKEN.

    • jimster

      I guess I a real paranoid type of guy: I have a fire extinguisher in my house and I also wear seat belts and carry concealed.. I am prepared but hope I never have to use any of them.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Me too. I even carry a life vest in the boat when I go fishing. I hope I never have to use it also. I also wear a coat in the winter when it is cold out, and carry an extra one in the car and a blanket, just in case. Again, I hope I never have to use them, but Im prepared. When I go camping, I carry a giant tarp to put over my tent and picnic table and half the campsite, just in case of rain, so that I can still be outside if it pours. I hope when I camp the rain stays away, but in the event it happens, again, Im prepared. I have found in all instances of life, from the things I mentioned above, to playing sports or taking a test in school, the ill prepared will suffer, but those who are prepared will fare much, much better and succeed. The same is true in this hand gun matter.

    • ValDM

      I’m not a man. I am, however, a disabled old woman who is alone a lot. I have guns, and am glad to have them. If someone wants to perpetrate a crime on me, they will get a dose of whatever I choose to shoot them with. Manhood doen’t have anything to do with it. On the other hand, even in my younger days, I wouldn’t consider anyone who wasn’t familiar with guns and kept a few to be anything but a man, unlike the limp-wristed specimens that decry the ownership of guns.

    • JC

      Gary, you think it’s about proving manhood? Now there;s an effiminate observation. ;)

      It’s about sovereignty and the protection thereof.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That proving manhood thing, is exactly what these little punk gang bangers do. They think having a gun makes them a man, and gives them the right to go out and pull their reign of terror on people, when deep down, they are crybaby little punks. And if they institute gun control, these little punks are the only ones that are going to have guns, because face it folks, most of them have them illegally anyhow. Almost all of them are unregistered, stolen, and the criminal will gladly take them and use them that way. Take them away from the law abiding citizen, and we will have a big, big problem. These gangs will go nuts, as will the muslim terrorists and every other criminal or terrorist.

    • http://deleted Claire

      Manhood/womanhood has nothing to do with it as far as I am concerned. I have a gun and I know how to use it. I have never felt that I had to prove anything to anyone.

      • JC

        Exactly Claire :)

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Akillion

    I am a registered weapon owner, however, there needs to be stricter gun controls here in the US. AMERICANS ARE SO HYPOCRITICAL. WE HAVE THE LEANEST GUN LAWS WITH THE WORST CRIME RATES OF ANY CIVILIZED NATION! I’m sorry, but past and current history proves that our freedoms allow for easy obtaining of firearms and NRA lobbyists pay big bucks for our legislators to have lax gun laws. I mean when will we realize that every single person can’t govern themselves? Now we even have an argument that 30 round clips should be left alone…that’s like handing kids cigarettes and not expecting them to smoke!?! Doesn’t make sense at all! If anything this article proves that gun ownership should be a right, however, assault weapons, 30 round clips, an arms of warfare-the public shouldn’t have access. This guy had 1 shell and was able to deter that potential threat.

    • Conservative at Birth

      The purpose of the Second Amendment is to prevent the tyrany of Government, which is why I started buying firearms Novemeber 8th 2008. With people like you around, I will continue amassing my arsenal. I never felt the need in my previous 59 years until you elected a Marxist for President.

      • BERT

        CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH
        YOU HIT THAT NAIL ON THE HEAD

      • Yvan

        Conservative……..
        Tyranny of the Government! To make a statement like that, one has to be on goof balls. If this is what you think of your Government, imagine what the rest of the world think of USA. Its people like you that can be dangerous. Have you ever heard of temporary insanity? Beside if the government comes for you, how long do you think that you could stand your ground with your weapons. Toasted is the word.

        • chow

          When the government comes for us not just for me remember the old saying “It’s better to have it and not used it, than not to have it when you need it”.

        • Dan-o

          Better to be toast than a slave.

        • always right

          actually, he’s citing the thinking of our founding fathers as stated in the Federalist Papers. But obviously this is all over your head as you’re likely a product of the modern school systems that had dumbed people down to the point where they don’t know the difference between day and night, much less right and wrong.

          • JC

            Bowing down in the face of tyranny is in the Federalist papers?
            I don`t think so. Nope! your pal is just a nut job.

        • DaveH

          Sorry, Yvan, but you are the one on Goof Balls. History is littered with the bodies of countries and their citizens being killed and enslaved by tyrannical leaders. For you to ignore those experiences makes you just plain naive.
          And if you think you will be safe from, you’re even more naive. The useful idiots are useful only until their votes are no longer needed.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          If the goverment comes for the weapons, I assure you Ivan, they will have a much bigger fight on their hands than they ever imagined. I am totally convinced of that, and were I a betting man, I would bet the farm in Vegas on this one. No doubt about it.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And besides that Ivan, they dont even have the man power to go and act on arrest warrants they have out for criminals, by the tens of thousands. They dont have the man power to go after 4 million illegal aliens, or however many it is. How are they going to go door to door and take guns, from armed people, without alerting everyone about it? You under estimate the reserve of the free American, to assemble themselves together for the good of all. That is what we did to found this country, and if our government tries to do this, I have full confidence we will come together as a nation of “we the people”, and run these tyrants down and out. I would bet on that one also.

      • eddie47d

        Conservative at Birth; You can believe what you want but even after the Kennedy assassination Americans went out in droves to buy guns. Not much has changed and that was over 50 years ago. Americans are more fearful than most countries because of these assassinations and killings. Don’t be blaming Obama for your paranoia for it has been around for a long time. It’s just more excuses to hate the man so next time you stub your toe …blame it on Obama. Why not!The more killings …the more guns ….the more killings…the more guns. There’s that circular firing squad again. Let the change begin with you.

        • DaveH

          Eddie,
          I sure get sick of reading your fabricated facts. Try posting some references if you can. You might just learn something if you make that effort.
          I have posted plenty of links to refute your contention that more guns equals more crimes. Read them. You can read, can’t you?

          • eddie47d

            Don’t need your right wing propaganda. Go play your smart azz attitude with someone else.

          • S.C.Murf

            Dave as you can see by fast eddies comment he has no facts just more dreams

            up the hill
            airborne

          • JeffH

            DaveH, can’t you can see, the liberal name calling is all the proof eddie needs. Another fine example of hypocrite eddie.

          • JC

            Same old baseless crap from eddie.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Its not so much Obama eddie, he is the figurehead, that represents the liberal way of life. That is what is so dangerous here. Gun control would not have stopped this shooting, the Ft. Hood shoot, Texas El Paso or Columbine. No gun control laws are going to stop the common thief from robbing the local gas station. Criminals will always, and I repeat eddie, always have guns, no matter what laws are in place. If you would look, you would see that 90 percent plus criminals caught with weapons have illegal or stolen weapons, not registered to them. No gun control laws would change this, it would just escalate it, and that is a fact. Liberalism that only wants the government to have guns, and not its population, not only puts us at risk to outside invasion, it puts us at risk of being violated by our own government, like the people of North Korea for instance. Just like that eddie. And I will guarantee you, if they come for the guns, there will be a lot, and I do mean a whole lot of government agents shot down, as the American people will unite and revolt against this, and I will guarantee you this eddie, the amount of people armed that would band together to fight this illegal act of taking our weapons, will dwarf the bands of people the government sends out. And the military will not be on their side either. Count on that.

    • Norm

      Interesting this rant of yours You sound more like a gun grabber than a gun owner.
      You all seem to forget the Washington “Elite” want ALL guns.

      • Crashaxe

        An armed man is a Citizen, An unarmed man is a subject.

      • JC

        More like the “Global” elite…the UN One Worlders want us all unarmed.

    • Mark

      Your statement that says we have the leanest gun laws is way off the mark of reality. Gun laws vary greatly depending on where you live. In fact some states and cities(like D.C., Chicago for instance) have some of the strictest laws anywhere. Which only proves the fact that gun laws DO NOT deter crime.

      • 45caliber

        I don’t know where it stands now (and am not interested in looking) but not too long ago NYC and DC had the highest murder rates in the country even though ownership of guns was illegal in both cities.

        • Karolyn

          Take a look at Charlotte, NC. The crime rate there is higher than NYC. NYC is like a playground compared to Charlotte.

          • always right

            crime is tied to demographics. Look at the racial breakdown of high crime cities/areas and you notice one constant.
            http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm
            http://www.nc-f.org/findings.htm

          • independant thinker

            Look at Kennesaw GA. where basicly everyone is required to own a firearm if legaly able to do so. They have the lowest crime rate for a city their size in the US last I heard.

          • 45caliber

            independent:

            And there is a town in Illinois that banned all guns. Their crime rate is the highest in the country for towns their size.

    • 45caliber

      Akillion:

      You should check the number of gun laws before you start talking of a need for MORE gun laws.

      There are over 2000 federal gun laws. The problem is that most of them are not enforced. If they aren’t enforced, why do we need more of them?

      Virginia, some years ago, started enforcing some of those federal gun laws. Other states, including Texas, has started the same. The biggest detractors of enforcing these gun laws are the anti-gun people in Washington. One law that is working when enforced is a law that requires an additional 10 year sentence on top of any normal sentence for any crime that includes a gun. The criminal may be given 15 years for robbery but an additional 10 for using a gun to do it. That means he spends 25 years in jail.

      Now tell me, why would those who are against guns and want more gun laws be against enforcing the ones they do have?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        Ohio has had a manditory seven year penalty for using a gun in commiting a crime. It doesn’t even have to be a real gun as long as the victim THINKS it’s real. I can count on one hand the times I’ve read that it has ever been enforced. I know of a man(?) that raped a mentally handicapped girl with a pellet gun and of course she thought it was a real gun. What did he get? SIX MONTHS!!! SIX LOUSY MONTHS!! Too bad at times that they did away with public hangings! Yet they think law abiding citizens are a threat? these progressive a$$holes are CRAZY!!!

    • joe howard

      The Swiss government issues automatic machine guns and other firearms to every houshold/able-bodied person. They are all trained in the save use and storage. They have one of the lowest crime and accident rates with firearms of anywhere in the world. If safety and injury are your concern, Doctors Kill more people accidently in the US than firearms. Should we outlaw Doctors? Auto accidents kill an mame 10′s of thousands times more than firearms. Outlaw autos, they are not protected by the constitution. Laws do not change morality. No God, no moral rules. Firearm laws exist and are violated now. Murder is against the law also. Does it stop because of a law?? NO.

      • Dan-o

        Keep throwing those words of common sense, liberals hate that.

      • independant thinker

        Joe……….The Swiss do not issue a firearm to each household. They have mandatory military service for their citizens who when discharged from the army keep their duty weapon many of which are true assualt rifles (machine guns). The effect is to have essentialy all households armed but it is not done by issuing the firearms directly to the households.

        • 45caliber

          All males in Switzerland are a part of their military from the time they are 18 until they are 50. They serve long enough to be trained and then take their military equipment home – which includes rifles and ammo. They are required to visit a rifle range for practice at least once every three months. Once they are discharged at age 50 they may keep their weapon if they wish. Most do. Because of the manditory requirement to practice, every village has at least one gun range. And they have more competitive shooting there than any other country of the world, particularly when shooting matches counts as practice. Further, the ammo is free at the ranges. Women are encouraged to do the same but aren’t required as men are.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Since you brought up doctors that accidently kill people, what about the doctors that intentionally murder babies in their mothers wombs? Im sure that accounts for as many murders as hand guns. Yet liberals are all right with that, but not with hand guns. Imagine that. What a sick state of mind.

    • using reason to attain knowledge

      Who decides what is reasonable?You have loons making the laws just like you have loons breaking them.How do you expect to have sanity in legislation,when the political discourse of the day is driven by current events? The short answer is that you cannot. lets punish all the law abiding citizens so a few lunatics wont be able to hurt us…Problem is that the lunatics will find a way,any way that they can. So now you have disarmed the law abiding citizen and made him impotent to protect a few who are in the wrong place at the wrong time.Which could happen anywhere at any time regardless of the rule of law. It just doesnt make any sense to punish us all for the actions of the few.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      A lot of the reason our crime rates suck right now, is simply, lawyers. Lawyers and judges have prostituted our legal system, to where we have repeat offenders again and again and again, and nothing gets done to them but slapping their hands. That is how our legal system works. If the dude doesnt have a job, which 95 percent of the criminals dont. If the dude doesnt own a house, which 95 percent of the criminals dont, and the dude doesnt own any car or property, which 95 percent of the criminals dont, then the legal system has nothing to get from them. And if there is no money to be collected from these guys, these dirty lawyers and judges could care less about justice. Its all about the almight dollar for them, and that is a fact. Ive seen it a thousand times. Dirty rotten scoundrels walk because the system cannot get anything from them. Instead of locking their lousy butts up, they release them, and give them a court date 2 months from now. The dude of course doesnt show up for court, so they issue a warrant. But then we have a problem. They have thousands of warrants out there, and no man power to go exercise them. So unless they get lucky and pull the guy over for a traffic violation, or catch them doing another crime, they stay free. And then, this really frosts the cake, when they do catch them again, they note that they have a warrant, set a court date, and release them to appear in court in 2 months, and the dude is free again. It is simply nuts. But Im telling you, this is what they do. Its insanity.

  • http://personallibertydigest Gunny

    Notice that the writer did not even have to fire his shot gun There a lot of times when a crime is PREVENTED by just showing the bad guy that you are willing and able to protect yourself

    • Gurd

      The sound of a gun “racking” pistol or shot gun is recognizable to any criminal. Revolvers are silent until fired so you will hit the thug squarely in the front. Otherwise, the thugs self preservation instinct likely kicks in.

      • 45caliber

        The hammer on revolvers tends to click when you cock it. And you should always have the hammer cocked (forget the double action) if you can. You can hold it on target better that way.

      • ValDM

        I’ve used the sound of “racking” my shotgun to make a drug dealer move on and conduct business somewhere besides in front of my house. I must say the sound alone is a deterrent.

        • 45caliber

          A very good one too.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          ValDM,
          you should not have said that! now these progressives will say all we need is a recording of a gun “racking” to deter crime!!! Fools that they be!!!

  • Don

    You sheeple that think gun control/more laws will keep criminals from having guns are fools. They will get them and the older man that cant swing a bat or move as quickly when they break into his home will die. Oh yeah, that’s right….just call the cops while you hide in a closet….sure…they will get there in time. Fools!

    • 45caliber

      England banned their guns some years ago. Most were turned in and destroyed. A recent cop report there stated that there were as many guns in England today as there was before they banned them. The big difference is that the present guns are fully automatic AK-47′s or equal and are in the hands of the gangs rather than the law abiding citizens. They are smuggled in, primarily from Russia.

      • independant thinker

        “The big difference is that the present guns are fully automatic AK-47′s or equal”

        And even if nothing but 5 and 6 shot revolvers were smuggled in the law abiding private citizen would be at a grave disadvantage.

      • eddie47d

        You prove the point of the “other side” Caliber. “Russia supplies guns to England”. So it’s not the ban that increases crime but the gun runners. The same could be said about Mexico in which we supply the bulk of the guns used in crime. There again it’s the gun runners who are upping the ante. The more weapons we supply to Mexico the more deaths. Maybe both Russia and the USA are nations without a conscience. This would be a good time to point out that argument about Switzerland. Sure alot of folks (men) have weapons but they also have strict laws governing those weapons. The USA has weak laws that encourage criminality/easy access. Switzerland isn’t known for it’s gun running scams. ( maybe financial but that is another issue).

        • http://?? Joe H.

          eddie,
          There you go again spreading poopaganda!! I wouldn’t call 17% the bulk!! I suggest you do a little more research!!!

          • eddie47d

            When are you going to put some facts out Joe instead of your usual slander. Oh,yes that 17% is much higher so I think you are the petty propagandist.

          • JeffH

            JoeH, another fine example of eddie’s hypocrisy…”do as I say, not as I do”. If eddie were a car, all you’d hear from him would be the sound of “backfire”.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And I may be mistaken, but their cops they call “bobbies” I believe, are unarmed from what I remember.

        • JC

          Not any more. My wife was in England in Sept. She says they are armed to the teeth.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Then that sir, is a good thing. Im glad they woke up.

  • tim

    What if he had to shoot and missed, would of been nice to have another 30 rds. During stress it is hard to hit a target. Ask any police officer.

    • 45caliber

      Too True!!

      West Point teaches it’s grads that only one of ten people can shoot accurately in firefights.

      One local cop shoots in the 97% on a range. He was in a bank when a robber can in. He shot 13 times – and his only hit was in the leg of a secretary in an office through a wall. The robber didn’t do any better and gave up after his gun jammed. They were about 20 feet apart.

      • http://none Russ

        45 cal. you said something about gun control—-it is not about guns————————-it is about–CONTROL???

        • 45caliber

          Russ:

          If you are refering to what I said here, most people panic or get excited when under fire. They hide behind trees, etc. and blindly point and fire their weapons. West Point teachs their pupils that this is so. They NEVER aim. I’ve seen one man (in Vietnam) empty his rifle straight up – because that happened to be the way it was pointed when he saw the enemy – rather than aim at the enemy he saw. And he called us liars when we told him that later. It’s commonly called “deer fever”. When I asked my lieutenant why they didn’t pick out the ten percent who were good and leave the rest at home, he told me it was because they were used as “targets” to distract the enemy from shooting only at the good soldiers.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            45caliber,
            another thing that happens is “frozen trigger finger” syndrome! I remember a time one of my company ships were coming into a “hot” LZ and the gunner froze! The crewchief reached around with a spare M60 barrel and whacked him upside the head on the helmet! The guy acted like he just woke up and didn’t stop firing till the pilot yelled at him!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Gun control means using two hands.

      • John Myers

        Dear 45caliber,

        You are 100 percent correct. In fact I recently read two books which confirm what you say: Anthony Beevor’s D-Day: The Battle for Normandy and another very interesting book, Men Who Stare at Goats by Jon Ronson. Both talk about studies that point to “first misses”.

        I can say that in my case three things were involved.
        1. I only had one shell (and was happy to have it).
        2. I had a shotgun
        3. The bad guy that I took aim at was less than 10 yards away so something was going to “catch” him.

        I had a buddy who was on an RCMP SWAT team. Once I asked him his weapon of choice in case of a home invasion. “Easy,” he said, “a 12-gauge. Can’t miss!”

        Thanks for reading and for your input,

        John Myers

  • Proud Canadian

    You don’t like our laws, go back to the US. Nobody called you back here, even if you were born in Alberta.

    • JC

      I doubt Canada’s 7 million gun owners would agree with you.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Canadian,
      I don’t think there’s much chance that a proud American wishes they lived there in Canada, hey???

      • JC

        There’s over a million Americans living in Canada.
        Over 50,000 here in Calgary alone.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          JC,
          a lot of those transplanteds are the cowards that ran from the Viet Nam war! the Canadian government told the US a few years ago that they shouldn’t come to Canada if they wanted to run from the war this time as they would send them back. some came back from there when Carter was in and he gave them a slap on the wrist! My opinion is that they made their bed so let them sleep in it! They are no better than the ones that died over there so why should they get special treatment?? I’ll never forgive any of them!

          • JC

            That would put them all in their 60′s at least..yet all the ones I’m meeting are here and in business and no where near 60. Don’t forget that Canada is a major producer of oil and has a manufacturing base proportionate to its population. I’d say a very few of them are or ever were draft dodgers. They’re business people, or like myself married to Canadians.

    • Jack Reed

      I have read the Myers’ letter for many years. He writes about and follows the energy markets with emphasis on oil sands for his subscribers. All the headquarters are in Calgary. He does what a good reporter is suppose to do, the follows the story. Finally if he was born in Canada and became an American, Ottawa considers him a duel citizen. That gives him as much right to criticize Canada as anybody; or have the Marxist that run the federal goverment put a ban on that too. They don’t allow guns in Egypt either and look at where that country is going this very moment in time.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      They must be making some money to stay up there, because I found your people to be utterly rude, and your border guards obnoxious and out of line, and I will never come up there and spend my hard earned dollars again. Shoot, I know of at least 20 guys from my hometown alone, that used to spend thousands, doing fly in fishing trips, renting cabins and such, and all of us had bad experiences with your people thinking we owed them a living or something. So now we keep our money here, and Im betting thousands are stopping their trips up there also. And soon, you all will be under muslim control anyhow, because being the pacifist appeasers you are, the Islamic wave will slap you around and you will wave the white flag and give up without a fight, and expect us to come clean up the crap in your shorts, again. Shame on you.

  • Cliffystones

    The last three comments are exactly why I wish there were someplace that I could “Go Galt”.

    Besides the liquor store robbers and the wackos, there is a whole class of people in this world that would like to control the lives of the rest of us. There are whole regimes including the current crop in the White House that would like to micro-manage honest citizen to death.

    This is why we United States Citizens have a right, in fact an obligation, to arm ourselves well and train ourselves in the proper, safe use of firearms. And if I want to own an AR-15 with a 50 round clip, or a 50 caliber rifle, that’s my damn business. And as long as I utilize that firearm in a responsible manner no one has the right to criminalize me for possessing it!

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you.

  • Hal Swaim

    The 2nd Amendment IS AMERICAN RIGHT! When seconds count, the police are just minutes away! We need to enforce the gun laws already on the books! We don’t need more laws, criminals don’t care about laws, and the crazy people don’t either! If a person doesn’t want to defend themselves, that’s O.K. with me, but I have a Concealed Carry permit, and I am prepared to defend myself and my family if I ever have to. Criminals be warned!

    • Crashaxe

      What part of “Shall not be infringed” don’t we understand?
      To make any law regarding guns weather it be ownership, make/model, or registering is all infringement of the 2nd amendment.
      Sad part is the fact that the Constitution of the United States has been trampled upon for over 100 years and no one seems to notice.
      Sheeple were all going to get what we deserve for falling asleep and being brainwashed by the controlled media.

  • Cliffystones

    Wow, a lot more comments since my “last three” remark. Of course I was referring to those fools who still think that restricting the gun ownership of law abiding folks will deter crime.

  • Lloyd

    Why do people have an issue with the basic premise of self-defense? I have the right as a HUMAN being on planet Earth to be safe and to defend myself with ANY MEANS.I don’t need GOVT permission, regulation, and legislation to allow me the right of personal protection.That idea should have NEVER came in question.There is NO common sense at all with that idea!!! The Left, no matter what country they are from, think that being in a “collective utopia”, with the Elites “guiding” us ,since WE don’t have the mental capacity to do so,magically solves all problems.Take this or that away then “no bad things happen, because people have one less way to do bad things”. Due to Liberals, the “poor criminals” have more rights than the law abiding honest citizens!And now that citizens have had enough of absolute nonsensical actions, the Left name calls, ridicules, and demeans people,groups and country’s, when their ideas are rejected. DON’T TREAD ON ME and we will have no problems, We have many laws on the books enforce them vigorously! DO and THINK more for yourself ,GOVT control is NOT the answer!

    • 45caliber

      Many countries won’t allow self defense to be used as an argument if you shoot someone. You are supposed to stand there like a good little boy or girl and be shot rather than risk harm to the criminal. There are several in Washington who have stated that they would like to pass a law forbidding shooting in “self-defense”. So far they haven’t. I think if they tried, they are afraid someone might want to shoot them in self-defense.

  • Mr. Byard Grim

    Dear PLD, Same old argument against the 2nd Amendment to restrict the rights of the people. The Liberals are not about protecting anyone except their agenda and as long as law-abiding Americans have guns then they feel threatened. As in the colonial days, enforcement of the law is needed, but the police cannot be everywhere at once so if we the people cannot protect ourselves in our own homes, on our property, or on the street then we won’t be protected. If the President and his corrupt politicians are so stupid to want to take away our right to bear arms (like his home town of Chicago where the crime rate increased drmatically with gun restriction) then he needs to take the guns away from his Secret Service and see how well they can protect him from the same criminals that prey on us as well. Enforcing the 2nd Amendment protects everyone…restricting it protects no one.

    • 45caliber

      The SCOTUS has already ruled that the police have no mandate to defend you/protect you. Therefore you can’t sue them for their failure.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Oooh let’s be scared of everything. Let’s continue living with a 19th century mentality. Let’s keep focusing on guns and our right to arm ourselves to the teeth and then we can act surprised when Columbine or Virginia tech or Tuscon happens.

    Let’s keep pretending that because we have guns we can protect ourselves from government. I got news for you, unless you have a nuclear weapon, you don’t stand a chance against the American Empire Military Industrial complex. And if you think our National guard or army won’t turn against us, you may have forgotten the mercenary armies like Xe. They will do it for money.

    An enlightened society would give up their guns as they would realize their futility.

    Get ready for more blood shed and grief.

    • Searcher

      Eric,
      I’m scared of very little, other than the direction this country is taking. I own and carry a firearm. Apparently that scares you and your ilk. I carry as a means to take responsibiblty for the safety of myself and my family. I don’t place that responsibility on others. As an enlightened individual, I know that the police can’t be everywhere to protect me. All they can do is attempt to capture the perpetrator of the crime. I know that there are people out there intent on doing evil, and I accept that. It has always been that way, and always will be. I choose to be a less of an easy victim. That is my right as a human being. If you choose to be an easy victim, that is your right. Just don’t try to deny me of my right.

      • Lloyd

        Well said ,VERY well said !

    • Don

      If you don’t already live in France, you should move there. Wave your white flag and let yourself be controlled and protected by the government while you study and continue to enlighten yourself, immersed in your left-wing utopia.

    • Brad

      Dude where do you come up with this garbage?

    • Shane P.

      Eric

      The japanese never invaded this country “US” during WWII because they
      new that allmost every citizen oned a gun. So no it does not require a nuclear weapon. A handgun will do when there are millions of them!
      Most people in the US own guns even if some of them only recently bought them. President Obama has been a great sales tool for the gun industry, they love him!!!!!!!!!!!

      • 45caliber

        The Russians never invaded for the same reason.

        • eddie47d

          What year was that?

          • 45caliber

            Back when Kruschef was their President. His son was interviewed a few years ago and told that.

    • Grinch58

      Typical Liberal mentality. Tell you what Eric-why don’t you and all the enlightened ones go live in some police state where they do all the thinking for you and you can rely on them to protect you.

      I mean the level of stupidity and common sense in this Country right now is utterly staggering. This is clearly the product of a couple of prosperous decades where idiots like you were spoon fed and dealt with virtually no adversity, I am guessing. Perhaps your ultra soft ass lives in a basement somewhere? Yeah Eric, its a great idea to disarm the American public and do away with the 2nd Amendment.

      Again, gun laws create victims, they don’t prevent crimes. Look at the numbers elsewhere.

      I guess enacting gun control laws will completely change human nature. Yup, humans that seek to do harm wouldn’t find guns somehow, or find a new weapon to use. The logic used by the “enlightened” ones is certainly comical.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Maybe if some street punk, “busted a cap off in his monkey a$$”, like they say, Eric might have a different thought pattern concerning a hand gun. I would bet as he was getting robbed and shot, he secretly was wishing he had a gun now, although he would never admit it to anyone. Im just saying……………..

    • JC

      What can be said in response to Eric`s hysterical and entirely illogical comment….I`ll keep it brief.
      Moron!

      • Gene Husky

        When the shooting starts I wonder who will let that idiot jump behind them for protection.It won’t be me.I want to live longer and don’t want some stupit frightened coward getting me hurt..

        • JC

          I kind of hope that their convictions are strong enough to see them
          out there with their little hopey-changey buttons. But I doubt it.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          He would curl up in the fetal position and call for mommy, just like a good left wing liberal pacifist appeaser.

    • Will-CA

      At the high school attended there was a big guy that liked to push his weight around. He wasn’t quite a bully but he did his best to let everyone know he was a big guy and wanted his respect. Until one day someone had enough of his mouth and knocked him on his ass, he then curled up in a ball crying and begging not to be hit anymore. I stood there in shock feeling major pity for this guy. Well I witnessed the same with that guy many more times during those years. Point being bullies, thugs, jerks, and most importantly corrupt governments do not and will not respect weakness and will prey on the weak every chance they can.

      Thomas Jefferson: ‘Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who do not.’

    • chow

      Apparently you have no trust on people especially those in our military. You also believe that our government will use nuke against the people in an uprising. Have you noticed our government doesn’t nuke our enemies even the one’s that attacked the world trade center? But you think they will use it on us? I’d like them to do just that I’ll move the uprising to DC so they can nuke DC

      • 45caliber

        The liberals are certain that the military is filled with prospective murderers – but they are also certain that they will follow the President’s order if he tells them to disarm and shoot any civilians (perhaps because they are certain that they are prospective murderers). So they aren’t worried about any attempt to get rid of some bad politicians. After all, the military will stop us.

        I’m more worried about any organized action being hit by a nuke. After all, who has their finger on the button? And they would have no qualms about any innocent people being in the target area.

        • 45caliber

          For some reason I’ve never understood, liberals dislike killing and won’t do it unless there is no other choice. BUT … they are certainly willing to tell someone else to go do it. They are willing that someone be killed as long as they don’t have to do it themselves. Then they claim innocence if someone points out that they are willing to kill or are killers.

          • eddie47d

            Who are those liberals who tell others to do the killing for them?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            gee I can’t think of the guys name, but three letters come to mind…..FDR???

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            how about the Clintons? There were over 50 deaths that occurred around them that benefited them greatly.

          • eddie47d

            Both you dudes better come up with some relevant proof instead of that tired old trash.You stoop so low they’ll have to dig you out of that pile of ca ca.

          • JeffH

            …another “prime” example of eddie’s “do as I say, not as I do” hypocrisy.

            I think eddie should change his name to EddieHYPOCRITE47D…ya think.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            clinton, both of them, demonstrated against this country in England. then clinton sent troops to foreign a foreign country to fight! I guess, at least to me, that is proof that he sends others to do the fighting that he won’t do!!!

    • 45caliber

      Eric:

      If someone at those places had been armed, it might have saved some lives.

    • using reason to attain knowledge

      Anyone for gun control raise your right hand,shout “Heil Hitler”!Paid for by the Jewish Defence League.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Earth to Eric, Earth to Eric. Listen you ill informed soul. Had a teacher at Columbine, or a student at Virginia Tech, or one of Gabby’s staff been carrying a gun, all these whack jobs that did these shootings, would have been cut down before they did all this damage. But at Columbine, no one was allowed to have a gun, only the shooter. At Virginia Tech, no guns were allowed there, except for a criminal who doesnt care about the law. And in Arizona, it appears no one in that parking lot was carrying a gun, as maybe it is illegal in Arizona, I dont know. But if one of her staff was packing, he could have took this guy out and many would have been saved. The criminal will always have guns Eric, as in these instances no one was suppose to have a gun there, but the criminal did. Do you understand this? If not, I, or no one else can help you, because your beyond repair if this doesnt register to you.

  • Pohknee

    I think gun related deaths or deaths by violent weapons is not related to gun control laws at all. I would like to see some statistics on the correlation between the violent death rate (by any weapon including guns) to the cities of North America by poverty level. I believe you will not only find a resemblance but a “direct correlation” of these items. When people are desperate, they resort to desperate deeds and would kill you with a rolled up newspaper or anything they can get their hands on. If all guns were removed from the face of the earth, “murder” and ‘violent deaths” would not decrease but simply change methodology. People would switch to knives etc. If we want to decrease the danger, we should be attacking mental health problems, social problems, and doing our utmost to decrease poverty. The numbers and statistics will follow and our safety will be improved in real terms.

    • http://dinowips@yahoo.com trianglewhip

      @Poknee. I agree with your statement. But gun control is total folly.. Places like UK and Canada, has more violent crime per cap than US. When you have Anti gun and anti death penalty, that’s what you get.

      • Grinch58

        How true.

        What liberals and other “enlightened” ones fail to realize is that in America, the fact you could break into a home where someone can pull out a weapon, tends to dissuade criminals.

        Isn’t this just common sense? Of course crimes will be up in police states that enforce gun control laws-where is the fear or risk of death and injury gonna come from?

        My family has defended criminals for many decades. Do people understand how these scumbags think? They prey on the weak. Meaning if they have no fear they could get shot by a homeowner, you bet your ass violent crimes and especially burglaries would increase 10 fold.

        Hello……common sense where are you? Please make a reappearance in this Country.

        • 45caliber

          A “hot burglary” is one where the criminal breaks into a house KNOWING the owner is at home. In the US, less than 10% of all burglaries are “hot”.

          But in England, where guns are illegal, 90% of all burglaries are “hot”. The reason? They know the homeowners have no guns for protection and they want to force the homeowner to tell where they might have money or other valuables hidden.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You are right. I actually watched a show a couple of years ago, and I dont know if the reporter was in New Orleans or Watts or where, but it was a gangland ghetto area, and he was talking with all these little punk gang bangers about gun control and gun laws. Not one, not two, not three, but all of them, said they hoped upon hope that the states and federal government would ban people owning all guns. The report looked puzzled and asked why, stating how it seemed ironic that a bunch of gang members would say that. The gangsters then told him the truth, how it would be easy pickings for them then. They stated how they could walk into any house and take whatever they wanted, and rob any business, because they all had guns and these gun laws wouldnt apply to them, because all their guns are illegal anyways. And that is exactly what would happen. It would be open season on the law abiding citizen by all the little gangster punks and every common criminal around. And that is a fact, and anyone, and I do mean anyone, who doesnt understand that, is just plain stupid, and dangerous also. Stupid and dangerous. Sounds like a liberal to me.

    • always right

      Pohknee, I posted 2 links that answer all your questions

  • Gun Nut

    Ok all you antigun nut jobs. I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll give up all my guns when you collect all the guns from all the criminals out there. Then you have to put up a sign on your house that reads, ” This is a GUN free zone” Then we will find out just how SAFE you are.

    • JC

      Not just from the criminals…but the government too…ALL governments. In fact I’ll give up my guns when they can prove that NO One has one. ;)

      • 45caliber

        I won’t. They forge their “proof”.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thats right. It is like a picture I saw once, where the guy put a sign in front of his house that said something like “I believe in the right to have guns, but my neighbor doesnt”, with an arrow pointing towards his neighbors house. He did this because his neighbor gave him grief for owning a gun. So when the criminals robs his neighbor, Im thinking that guy wishes he had a gun.

  • http://na. Robert Bradfield

    Its that South African again. In South Africa the government is also on renewing licenses of legal fire arms, while we still have one of the most violent of societies. Farmers get killed with guns, by criminals (or hate crimes because of the past). Police gets killed by criminals for trying to apprehend them. Shop-owners, whether South African or foreign, gets killed because they are easy targets. Foreigners come to South Africa to have their spouses killed by South African criminals (not proven in court yet). All this is happening while not one of these crimes are committed by people who owns a firearm legally.

    The irony of it all is that when a young man defended his aged grand mother from an attack by killing the perpetrators a murder docket was opened against him (his grand mother died subsequently from injuries sustained during the attack). What can one say – carrying a firearm is dangerous, but not carrying one is more dangerous.

    • JC

      Robert I have a friend here who is from SA. He is ex SA military and a great guy. It took him and his wife 8 years to sneak enough money out of the country so that he could relocate his family.
      Said he was tired of the crime and the general domestic situation that caused him to put on two guns everyday as though they were his socks. Just a natural thing to do.

      He tells me that if you are a white woman in SA it is not a question of “if” you’ve been raped, but when. He tells me a great deal more than that and I have to wonder if Mandela is proud of what he has created. No wonder SA is having so many problems…take care.

  • jopa

    The only place you will see articles about your guns being taken away are consevative sites or teabaggers whoever they are.The government has no desire whatsoever to take anyones guns away but their is legislation being talked about to limit magazine size.Can anyone out there show me a legitimate site where it talks about our government coming to take your guns away? I don’t think so.All this gun talk is just to rile up the whackos on a slow news day.

    • jimster

      Government illegally took guns from the servivers of Katrena. Left the population defenseless with no way to defend themselves from the thugs.

      • Willie

        They did the same thing in Kansas after that stromn.

      • JC

        They were doing two things…running an experiment to see if they actually could take guns from Americans…and creating as much chaos as possible in order to see what the reaction would be.
        It was a case of never waste a good crisis and a test run for things to come.

    • chow

      So what’s the purpose of limiting magazine capacity? It’s an inanimate object and can’t kill anyone. I just don’t understand the purpose. But my guess is, it’s always a step into final confiscation they’re just doing it step at a time so the frog will not jump out of the boiling water.

    • 45caliber

      jopa:

      Why does it take an article by a lib to convince you of anything?

      In any case, I KNOW you have seen the numbers of people killed AFTER the government took up the weapons of their citizens. Hitler alone killed over 12 million (Jews and Gypsies). Over 100 million people were killed by their own governments after their guns were seized. We have no reason to believe that our own government wouldn’t do the same except for your word. And I’d prefer to not that the chance that you are wrong. It causes no problem if I do have one but it might if I didn’t have one.

    • JeffH

      Another “awe inspiring” liberal comment.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Its the Tea Party, you ignorant slut. There, how does it feel?

    • always right

      If there are any “teabaggers” here, Jopa, I’d suspect you of being one. Had any men’s scrotums in your mouth lately? You people of the the left are disgusting creatures.

  • http://dinowips@yahoo.com trianglewhip

    Anti gun + anti death penalty = more violent crime..

    • Karolyn

      Baloney! The death penalty is not a deterrant. Do you really think that a killer stops to think “Gee, if I get caught, I might be killed.” The death penalty only releases that spirit from its hell on earth and, thus, is more of a reward.

      • always right

        Yep, they sure do, especially as they’re being strapped to the table. The fact is, dead people commit no crimes after they’re executed. (cleaning up the streets and gene pool, one execution at a time)

        • Doc Sarvis

          What do you mean by cleaning up the gene pool?

          • 45caliber

            You eliminate their genes when they are executed. And those genes are part of the problem with crime.

            A psychologist in Maine about thirty years ago noted that most habitable criminals had no sense of empathy. And empathy cannot be learned – it comes in your genes. So if their genes are eliminated, that prevents their children from being born with the same missing gene.

          • Doc Sarvis

            45caliber
            What is the reference of that study. I have found much to the contrary on various web sites.

          • 45caliber

            Doc:

            I read it in the newspaper (or Readers Digest) many (30+) years ago now. He was hired to determine what could be done to prevent criminals from committing crimes after they were released. His conclusion was that most lacked empathy which was inherited, not learned. And if they did lack it, their only concern is for their own well-being. Therefore, if you wanted to make sure they didn’t commit more crimes, you had to convince them when they were in prison that they didn’t want to go back. That meant making it so hard on them while in that they liked being out better – and were willing to not commit more crimes to prevent being sent back. Unfortunately, they don’t make it hard on them. They are only prevented from mixing with society at large.

          • 45caliber

            Incidently, Doc, most psychologists disagreed with him. They were convinced that they could treat anyone and “cure” him. Once released, if that person committed another crime, he had a relapse, not because he wasn’t “cured” to begin with.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Yes, well a single 30 year old study is pretty weak evidence when I easily found plenty of evidence to the contrary. I cannot easily evaluate what I found but it would suggest that a positive link to empathy via genetics is questionable.

          • Karolyn

            45 – Much has been discovered in 30 years. How do you explain someone coming from a wonderful upstanding family turning to crime? That sure doesn’t sound like genes to me.

          • 45caliber

            Karolyn:

            Not all criminals commit crimes due to a lack of empathy. But many do. On the other hand, many who have the lack also don’t turn to crime. They usually end up as lawyers or bankers. Crime is caused by many factors – but if we can help purge the gene pool, those who commit crimes due to that lack will have less tendency to pass along those genes. You seem to feel that everything is all or nothing.

          • eddie47d

            Caliber; Maybe those bankers and lawyers lack empathy because they never get sent to jail after they commit crimes. Prison life is hard enough without making irrational excuses to make it harder on those lesser folks.

      • JC

        Well it will sure stop the criminal that is caught from re-offending…won’t it ;)

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        I must disagree about the death penalty not being a deterent.

        A friend of mine worked for the Little Rock Police Department. They had a chart on their bulletin board. Each day they would plot the total number of crimes reported the previous day.

        The chart would start with a low number and each day would go up. And each day it would go up by more than the day before as well. Then a criminal would get killed. That could be by the death penalty, a cop shooting one of them, or a homeowner shooting one.

        The next day the chart would again drop almost to zero to start over.

        That, to me is evidence that the death penalty definately DOES affect the number of crimes committed. Each death usually only acts as a deterrent for about a week before crime starts rising rapidly again, but that is a week with very few crimes.

        Until you can prove differently, I’ll trust the chart my friend was telling me about.

        • Karolyn

          45 – Sounds more like a delay to me.

          • 45caliber

            A delay in what?

          • eddie47d

            Caliber; I don’t think the death penalty stops anyone from committing a crime. Unless his sole purpose is to commit that crime to get a death penalty. Such as those who commit suicide by cop. Most murders are crimes of passion or accidental in the commission of another crime. The death penalty doesn’t even enter their mind so there is no deterrent.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            It sure as hell stops any subsequent crime!!!!

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            I don’t know about your area but most murders down here are due to drugs and gangs. One cop told me that over 90% of all murders are due to that – and if he could assure that they only shot each other, he’d give them ammo. Further, most gang murders are actually hits on their own gang members. Not too long ago they sawed a man in half with a chainsaw because he was trying to keep money back from their gang leader – who was in prison at the time.

          • eddie47d

            As usual Joe there is little you understand so next time try and answer what I said and please pay attention.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            you said that the death penalty doesn’t deter any crime and I said that it sure as hell deters any subsequent crime. If that comment from me is false, then please prove it!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I will say this Karolyn. When they catch a guy red handed, like they did this whack job in Tucson, there should not be a dime to be pocketed by a bunch of greedy lawyers all lining up to line their pockets on the public dime like there will be. This guy should be taken out immediately, as he gave up his rights as a human being when he started firing on innocent people. Do away with him, by the same means he did away with his victims. That is fair and just, and I dont care what anyone says. It is fair as fair can be. What is unfair, is letting a bunch of lawyers and judges pocket millions of dollars over this, when there is no justice to be found here. He is an out and out murderer, and everyone knows it, and we sure as hell do not need no court of law collecting its members millions of dollars to say so. We already know he did it. He got caught red handed doing it. Shoot him now, and put it away. And yes, other guys that entertain this, would see this, and they would think twice about doing it.

  • http://com i41

    JOPA it is the Nazi Soros Socialist Democrat Pukes who start spouting crap when one of their fellow nut jobs go postal.The gathering of questionable organisms that really want total government controll over everything and everyone, but criminalls like minorities and slubs of the socialist party. When citizens can not travel safely in our big cities because of the gang bangers. Cut all the b–l s–t welfare programs and free housing for the skunks and rats terrorizing our cities, they would die or have to work, if they want they can go back to the s–t holes they migrated here from! Liberal/progressive socialists think if you coddle thugs and criminals we can all just get along. There is worthless pus guts that only understand a tight rope over a tree, no reperductions or offenders. We lnow Onumnutts is planning to take private land ownership away by executive orders, that is a fact you socialist boneheads.

  • Commonsense

    Instead of putting laws on the guns, put them on the people who misuse them. The only reason the death penalty doesn’t work is because it is never implemented. It’s quite simple, you infringe on an innocent persons’ constitutional rights make the punishment more severe than the crime. Theft, flog the person committing the grievance in public with a whip. Rape, casteration. Child molestation, hang them. You shoot someone without just provication, we shoot you right back! The liberals say this doesn’t curb criminals. The only reason they want to stop capital punishment is because they are prone to having thoughts of doing illegal things and they don’t want to die if they get caught, that’s all. Only the guilty flee when no one pursues. If they pass a law that says you get casterated if you forcibly rape a person, I could care less because I have no intention of raping anyone. Only someone who thinks about committing rape would worry about that law. See, and to think that the same people prone to such thoughts are now running our government, I get a cold feeling just thinking about it.

    • 45caliber

      Actually, many of the liberals are afraid for their family members rather than themselves.

      We have families now in the US who are on fourth generation criminals. The parents teach the children. In fact, about a year ago here in Texas, a man and his son were robbing a bank when the son was shot and killed. When questioned, the man stated that he was just trying to teach his son the “family business” and didn’t think it was right of the police to shoot him.

      • eddie47d

        You have been coming up with some goofy comments Caliber but this takes the cake.”Liberals are afraid of their family members”. Who says that guy was liberal? That is a rather lame assumption. There is also a group of “hillbillies” called the travelers. They go from State to State offering to fix things. They take the folks money and leave town. Has nothing to do with being a liberal but more in line with an entrepreneur out to make money. Kind of like a banker.

        • JeffH

          eddie, before you say anything else, re-read it and get it straight!

          45caliber said ” for their family members” not “OF their family members”!

          • eddie47d

            Are you playing Bill Clinton with me over the word “is”? Stop being so petty Jeff.

          • JeffH

            …just another example of eddie the hypocrit…

          • Ray

            How about having an actual point to something as opposed to giving Eddie an unwarranted hard time. Prove to us that you possess at least 1 mature bone in your body. Your comments are still so laughable!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I know of two guys who closely resemble who you are talking about. Their names are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They show up promoting strive in different towns, raise a bunch of money people give them for some odd reason, and then they are out of town on the first bus they can find. Oh, and eddie, by the way, those two cats are die hard liberals.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            That should read, promoting STRIFE.

  • Don Page

    Having reviewed the above article on guns ( or the lack there of) in Canada v.s. the crime rate. I also read all of the other reader’s comments.
    Those of you in Canada that stick your snoot up in the air, in typical British fashion, should remember that during WWII the British were begging for, and receiving, guns sent by the American people, not the American government. If and when push ever comes to shove Canada will depend on America to bail out your boat as will the rest of the free world.
    You tout the lesser Canadian crime rate and say it’s due to your stricter gun laws. If it is, in fact, true (which I doubt) I would bet the numbers are skewed do to the differance in population density. Once the numbers are adjusted it would be a differant story.
    You have the stupid idea that just because you, (or someone close to you) haven’t been subjected to a violent crime that your safe from harm. Your brain can not see the truth in the fact that the criminal will always be able to secure the gun. Laws only effect the Law Abiding. The other thing the criminal alway has is the element of suprise. So if you haven’t been singled out for a serious crime you’d best thank God that the odds have been in your favor to date.
    As long as we are quoting numbers: It is a proven fact that more guns in the hands of responsible citizans means less crime.
    When the Wolves can not tell the Lions from the Lambs; the whole flock is safer.
    Mean time; you people that beleive guns should be taken away from the law abiding should study the history of every dictator as they came to power. Six millon people lost their lives in Germany right after Adolph Hitler came to power and collected all the private guns..He was able to do this because all the guns were registered. He told the Germans it would make Germany safer. So get your head out of the sand and get the facts.
    Not having a gun is your right and your choice. But if you do become a victum..Don’t Whine about it..It was your choice.

    • 45caliber

      One flaw in your statements: There were six million JEWS who were killed by Hitler; there were also six million others (mostly Gyspies and blacks) who were also killed for a total of 12 million.

      • eddie47d

        Your loosing your touch Caliber.There were no blacks in Germany during WWII.

      • JeffH

        45caliber, eddie says there were no blacks in Germany during WWII.

        WRONG again eddie!

        From the Holocaust Encyclopedia
        The fate of black people from 1933 to 1945 in Nazi Germany and in German-occupied territories ranged from isolation to persecution, sterilization, medical experimentation, incarceration, brutality, and murder.

        Did you know that in the 1920s there were 24,000 blacks living in Germany? Many blacks, steadfast in their belief that they were German first, Black second, opted to remain in Germany. Some fought with the Nazis (a few even became Lutwaffe pilots!). Unfortunately, many Black Germans were arrested, charged with treason, and shipped in cattle cars to concentration camps. Often these trains were so charged with people (equipped with no bathroom facilities or food) that after the four day journey, box car doors opened to piles of the dead and dying.

        Unlike Jews (in Israel and in Germany), Black Germans receive no war reparations because their German citizenship was revoked (though they were German-born). After the war, scores of Blacks who had somehow managed to survive the Nazi regime were rounded up and tried as war criminals. Talk about the final insult.
        http://www.amonhotep.com/2004/0901.html

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        eddie wrong?!?!?! what’s the world comming to????

        • JeffH

          Joe H.,lol, where to start?

          • eddie47d

            That’s about the same number of Mongolians who are now living in the USA.So I guess your point would say that Mongolians are an important factor in discussing populations. 24,000 is not a large number in any country whether Germany or the USA. Heaven forbid if I could have a rational discussion with many of you. I should have Phrased my question differently since every country on earth has someone from every other country within it’s borders. So I guess it was a gotcha situation.

          • JeffH

            …did eddie just admit he was wrong???

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            I think what he said was “my mistake your fault”!!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I guess eddie, you could say, you lied, and you got caught and called out on it. But dont fret little one. You see, liberals get caught in their lies constantly. But they reserve the right to change their minds, and go the other way. See one John Kerry. We all know it as a flip flop. Or waffleing. Liberals are the masters of it.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Eddie your wrong again. And the count contained many Christians also.

    • Don

      Right on Don Page, the Nancy’s from Canada and the US just don’t understand !!!

  • Lew Jackson

    It’s simple, even a Canadian Marxist should get it, when you pound your weapons into plowsheers, you will plow for those who don’t. If it wasn’t for the good old boys in the USA (us gun hugging, Bible toting conservatives), a large part of the world including Canada, would be speaking German. We fought for our freedoms and we are going to fight to keep them. Try taking a look at the fate of citizens who have allowed their government to take away all their means of protecting themselves. Yours may not have endured that yet, however, i would just bet that when and if it does, someone will cry out for help from the good old boys down here in the states that you are so jealous of.

    • JC

      Corrections to your stereotype comment…
      Canada was fighting in the Second WW ahead of the US.
      It also supplied a higher percentage of its population to fielding an army and its track record is impeccable.
      Which is not to say that US involvement didn’t save the day, it did.
      But to write off our neighbors as helpless children when they gave so much and so well is typical American stereotyping that loses us any respect due to sheer ignorance of the contributions of others.

      And I’ve yet to meet a genuine Canadian Marxist. The US is in fact more “socialized” and controlled than Canada is.
      Socialism is a parasite anywhere you find it.

  • Commonsense

    Amen lew and Don

    • eddie47d

      What church do you go too? You don’t get points for that trip to heaven with distortions like Lew stated.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Uh, there are no points you can gather up to get you to Heaven eddie. Jesus Christ did it all, all we have to do is invite Him into our lives, and by His grace, Heaven is ours. So the question is, what church do you go to that tallies up points to get to heaven? I assure you, its a lie. You cannot earn your way in pal. No no no.

        • Ray

          Maybe if YOU invited Jesus into YOUR life you would come off sounding more like someone who actually possesses a shred of maturity, understanding, and respect towards others you may not agree with.

  • PJ

    Gun control: five of five shots in the ten ring.

    • S.C.Murf

      Also called marksmanship. Nice call PJ

      up the hill
      airborne

      • 45caliber

        all the way.

        • S.C.Murf

          Thanks Brother

          airborne

  • steve

    I think the whole point to gun control has been missed completely. Gun control is not about reducing
    crime, its about disabling the general public from access to a simple means to over throw a government that has become totalitarian and/or criminally abusive. Its a counter measure to rebellion and in many
    respects a startlingly derogatory statement of a condescending government. ( ‘we will give you access
    as soon as we join the next global fray, but for now don’t even think about owning or accessing a gun)
    In Canada it also fits nicely into the governments main make work theme, ‘more bureaucracy, not less’.
    If you’re going to sell off all your assets to foreign interests, and barter away all your natural resources, you
    had better make damn sure you’ve got lots of government jobs available for the increasingly unemployable.

  • Johnny Glock

    WOW, what a great debate. I feel compelled to join in. To all those who do not have a Constitution to live by,—I’m sorry. We Americans have the U.S. Constitution, No King, No Queen, No Dictator, Etc. We plan to keep it that way, God willing. It appears that those from any country other than the U.S. are making excuses and enter into name calling etc. It is simple—they are jealous, period. America is the only country in the World that allows it’s citizens, BY LAW, to have the means to protect themselves. As said before—don’t blame the weapon, blame the person. You cannot control the minds of criminals or nuts. Did Jack the Ripper use a gun ? Today, cars kill more people, old and young than our guns. Save lives, Ban Cars.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. If they were REALLY concerned about deaths, they need to ban cars. And if they were REALLY worried about injuries, they would ban football.

      • eddie47d

        Look alittle deeper than that Caliber. No one expects to get injured on the football field and no one expects to kill someone with a car. People do buy guns to kill people and that can be there main purpose. Regardless if it was bought for self defense or used in war or in a gang. I’m not talking about hunters here because most rifles aren’t bought to kill another human.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          eddie,
          Poopaganda again!!! there have been many instances where a person got into a car with the express purpose of killing someone with it!!

          • eddie47d

            Is jerk your middle name Joe? There are a hand full of folks who buy poisons to kill their spouses but rarely do people buy that product for that sole purpose. The same with cars you double dumb azz. Think for a change!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            There goes eddie with his names and temper tantrums again! how typical!!!!

          • Ray

            Gee, too bad you moved out of the way.

      • JeffH

        45caliber, it looks like you are the lucky recipient of the bzzzzzzzz today.

  • http://www.gunthorp.com Gardner Behrends

    To quote a previous post:

    “An enlightened society would give up their guns as they would realize their futility.”

    Carthage gave up their “guns” when the Romans outside the city walls said it was for the sake of peace. Look what happened to that enlightened society.

    National socialists established a gun free enlightened society in 1930′s Germany. We see how well that worked out.

    The intelligentsia and academics championed enlightened societies in Lenin’s Russia and Mao’s China. Quickly thereafter, these useful idiots were eliminated along with other millions.

    Enlightened society of the mid 18th century tried to remove guns from the Boston colonists. That it was unsuccessful is the very reason elitist, Utopian dreamers now can speak freely and expose their disconnect from the logic of reality.

    The irony is that they can vote to give up their natural rights to self defense, becoming slaves or humus in an effort to attain an enlightened society.

    • Karolyn

      The whole problem with all of your cites is that unfortunately there is no consensus among human beings to be peaceful. However, if more and more people did advocate peace (and love), the good energy would increase. It’s not an overnight thing.

      • ValDM

        Here’s ome more of that “utopia” thing.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        The real problem is this. If 99% of the people believed in peace and love and ONE did not, that one would control everyone else. And that one would not have to be taught his lack of love. It comes naturally to many.

        The idea is nice but it just can’t work – as long as that 100th man is still around. And if you eliminate him … that shows your lack of love and peace doesn’t it.

        • Karolyn

          That’s not true. Power has more energy than force. Read “Power vs. Force” by Dr. David R. hawkins. Power is found in love.

          • 45caliber

            I’m sorry. But if you have 99 people who believe in peace and love, anyone who comes along and is willing to use force will win – unless your 99 people are also willing to use force, which means that peace and love goes out the window. Simply standing there and loving him won’t do a thing except get you a few knocks on your head or a hole in you. No matter who says that love is all powerful.

          • JC

            I’ll bet all those Jewish families in Nazi Germany loved each other…but they didn’t have the power to save themselves did they?
            They needed guns for that.

        • Yvan

          NO, not in USA it will never work, the world knows that.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Not anywhere in the world!!!

    • eddie47d

      Gardner; The issue is about magazine clips and gun control and you go into confiscation of weapons. Believe it or not you can have laws on guns without taking them away. You always head for the slippery slope argument. Fear,panic,hatred of those who disagree.Pro gun folks love killing the argument before it comes out the door.

  • Greg

    Here’s for all you anti-gun people out there, and you know who you are.
    “The Gun Is Civilization” by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and

    force.

    If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either

    convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat

    of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two

    categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact

    through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social

    interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the

    personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use

    reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your

    threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that

    puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a

    75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and

    a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball

    bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or

    numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad

    force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more

    civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes

    it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only

    true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by

    choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a

    mugger’s potential marks are armed.

    People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the

    young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a

    civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a

    successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force

    monopoly.

    Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that

    otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in

    several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the

    physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

    People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute

    lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out

    of it with a bloody lip at worst.

    The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of

    the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the

    field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands

    of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply

    wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and

    easily employable.

    When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight,

    but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that

    I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid,

    but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions

    of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of

    those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…

    and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

    • JC

      Brilliant. And Entirely Moral.

  • Doug Rodrigues

    Gun controls are usually demanded by two basic types of people: The bleeding heart dreamers who have no common sense, and the politicians who want to disarm the citizens to make it easier to force oppressive laws upon us. Anyone who is stupid enough to give up their guns because a new “Law” demands it deserves to lose their freedoms and personal safety.

  • JC

    to John Myers:

    I am also an American living in Calgary. And everything you said is true. There is an organization started by ex RCMP oficers called LUFA, Law Abiding Unlicenced Firearms Assoc.
    Even the older retired cops can see that the Law is an Ass where guns are concerned.

    Lorne Gunter is a journalist I have met here and he recently published an article outlining the situation in Canada.

    It`s a good article.

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/story_print.html?id=4151659&sponsor=

    Right to self-defence never abolished

    Armed robbers have more rights than us, courts would have us believe

    BY LORNE GUNTER, EDMONTONJOURNAL.COM JANUARY 23, 2011

    I don`t know about you John, but I have jumped through all the hoops to get an FAC so I can do a little hunting in the Rockies in the fall.
    But only after a 5 month background check and a note from my wife.

    I`d enjoy buying you a coffee one of these days if you are available.

    JC

    • JeffH

      JC, I always enjoy your concise comments.

      • JC

        Thanks Jeff, I try. :)

  • ken

    I am not a gun control freak. I wish people publishing about murders would also state that the number of murders in a large US city out number the murders in all of Canada. And then still decide Canada is not safe.

    I now live in Mexico and feel completely safe. The US paranoia and 24 hour news cycle are making things something they aren’t.

    • Brad

      Ken,

      Mexico is being over run by the drug cartels and you feel safe living thier. Mexico has a higher murder rate then the US; I wouldn’t be surprised if Mexico was taken over by the drug cartels, lets say in five to ten year’s.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Brad,
        Ken didn’t mention what he does for a living. Maybe he works for one of the cartels!!!

        • ken

          Ken is retired and roams Mexico freely.

          There are more stops and gov’t road checks when I travel in the US than in Mexico.

  • Randy G

    What’s the gun crume rate in Switzland?? All males over 15 are required to have a gun & they have never been invaded.

    • ken

      All Swiss also spend 2 years in the Military and 2 or 3 weeks training each year until, 40 or so. Do you want that

      Sweden and some others are the same

  • Dan-o

    First weapon used in history to kill was a rock, is England going to outlaw rocks too.

  • TsgtRet.

    A quote from Adolf Hitler, 1935
    “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.”

  • j.McConnell

    Anyone afraid of guns should not own one but that does not give them reason to take away anyone else’s right to self defense. Those who feel only the police & military should posses guns should live in a country with such rules, Cuba for example. Countries like this are called police states for a reason.

    Ted Kennedy’s car killed more people than my gun!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      j McConnell,
      yours and mine together!!!!! I am proud of the fact that I have not killed anyone outside of combat with a gun!! I am also proud of the fact that I know I can and will if I have to to protect my family or myself!!

  • DaveH

    As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.
    Bigger Government, More Chaos:
    http://www.cato.org/pubs/edb/edb13.pdf

    • Gene Husky

      I just thought of something.I know why polititions always get shot in the head.People think that would be a spot that would cause little damage..They can return to there business as usual jobs..

  • Canadian Conservative

    First of lets get the stats right. According to stats Canada, over the last 25 years there has been an average of 1300 gun related deaths per year. 80% of those are suicide. 12.4% accidental and the rest crime related. I’m a Canadian and I own several guns, including handguns and assault rifles. There are two different licenses that are required to own guns in Canada. One will let you own any gun (pretty much)with the exception of handguns and assault rifles and the other will let you own these. There are some guns that are banned all together. It is very easy to buy guns in Canada, you can even buy them online and have them shipped to your door. The gun registry that was mentioned is a joke, criminals don’t register thier guns and it makes unregistered guns worth more and thus creates a new crime. Hopefully if the conservative government that is in power wins a majority government in the next election, this will be scrapped. Guns are like a car, in the hands of an idiot it becomes dangerous. Triangle whip your stas are wrong. Show me where you get these stats from. Don Page I agree with you that the gun laws have nothing to do with crime rates. There are other factors that play in to that,ie. poverty, education. To put these guns stats in to perspective, over 1600 people are killed per year from drunk drivers in Canada. We are not banning cars or alcohal but we do have laws regarding both. I will end this with 2 quotes from some of the greatest Americans to ever live.
    “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government”
    Thomas Jefferson
    “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety”
    Benjamin Franklin

  • DaveH

    The aftermath of gun control in Venezuela. Murder rates have quadrupled. But maybe the murders are more a result of Big Government than guns? Let’s Ban Big Government!
    http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2010/12/30/the-price-of-gun-control-venezuela/

    • Gene Husky

      I think we need to wake up.The government assasinates people at a constant rate.I hope I never have to use my guns,but I will never forget how.There is a big difference when you have gun control.The government gets to choose the people to target.They issue the weapons and tell you who they want dead for the betterment of government freedom.

  • RHSchumann

    So he feels less safe in Canada, where murders and accidents by guns are a fraction per capity of what they are in the USA.
    Go figure.

    • Gene Husky

      I think what he is trying to say is he has no way to defend himself from the gun totin criminals.No matter what the numbers are,if a criminal points a gun at you all you can do is crap in your pants and get ready to recieve a bullet..

    • 45caliber

      Instead of determining the number of murders/crimes per country’s population, consider the number per local population levels.

      Cities with heavy population have much greater crime rates than country areas do. And in the US we have far more in country areas than Canada does due to better climate for farms and ranches.

  • O.D. Olsen

    The ridiculous Canadian gun regulations are largely the product of legislation pushed through Canada’s parliament by the center left Liberal Party of Canada some years back. Gun related crime has escalated greatly since. The liberal court system in Canada seems to give gun toting criminals a slap on the wrist when they are caught with prohibited weapons, but heaven help an ordinary citizen who runs afoul of the firearms regulations. In Canada, if you do use a registered firearm or anything else for that matter, to protect yourself in your own home against an armed intruder, you are apt to receive a stiffer sentence than the criminal. Such are the laws here in Canada, where self defence can be deemed as using undue force and thus a crime. Canada has become a criminal’s paradise. The gun laws will likely never be repealed however, since liberal left wing thinking seems to prevail in this country on many issues. Individual rights have been cast aside for the supposed general good of the collective society. Free speech here is also now under attack.

    America, please stand up and ensure that you continue to have the right to bear arms. A country where citizens have that right is a free country. Nazi Germany, the former Soviet Union, and Communist China all had strict gun regulations in place for ‘the public good’, and we all know what ultimately happened in those nations.

    • 45caliber

      Good advice. I just wish more liberals would pay attention to it.

    • JC

      O.D., you summed that up very well.

  • ex- cop

    Interesting posts. As someone who has seen(and lived) both sides of the gun control issue I feel compelled to add my 2 cents worth. I have seen innocent people victimized by gun carrying thugs, and have dealt with family members who have lost a loved one to gun violence. I have also dealt with gun owners who have made a tragic mistake by wounding or taking the life of an innocent person because they weren’t trained to think as fast as we were, or to hit what they were aiming at. With all that said, I still prefer to live in a society where it’s citizens have the right to protect themselves. There is an elemental weakness in a society that can’t fend for themselves. Ask those citizens in New Orleans after Katrina who were dependent on the government to take care of them. Every Emergency Agency you talk to will tell you NOT to rely on government in case of a major crisis. Make sure you have provisions for yourself and family to last at least 2 weeks. Guns are no exception, Bad people will ALWAYS prey on the weakest. Animals ALWAYS prey on the more vulnerable. If you can (or appear) to be able to protect yourself, you will be safer than someone who cannot defend yourself. And by the way, if you paid attention to the news after the shooting in Tuscon, there was an individual with a CCW permit at the scene who wisely kept his weapon holstered because if he had drawn and fired at the time, he would have shot the man who was holding the Glock after dis-arming the shooter. Guns don’t kill people any more than cars do. Bad people with guns kill, just like drunk drivers kill. To quote my favorite tee shirt, “Blaming guns for killing is like blaming spoons for making Rosie O’Donnell fat”. If you want to take away your own ability to defend yourself and rely totally on someone else to do it, that’s fine. You can even rely on someone else to support yourself. But don’t even think of trying to take away my ability to protect myself or my family. By the way, my 41 year old daughter and 43 year old son-in-law can shoot better than a lot of officers I worked with because they both know that it is up to them to protect their family until law enforcement can get there.

  • for the children

    I’M NOT A CRIMINAL, BUT I HAPPEN TO BE IN COURT THE OTHER DAY IN ILLINOIS. THERE WERE TWO CASES BEFORE THE ONE I WAS IN AND BOTH ABOUT CRIMMINALS WITH GUNS. FIRST CASE A DRUG ADDICT ROBBING HIS FATHERS CURRENT WIFE AT GUN POINT. THE COPS CHASED HIM DOWN AND ARRESTED HIM. THE CRIME WAS ROBBERY WITH A DEADLY WEAPON, MANDITORY TIME IS 3-5 YEARS. HE PLEADED GUILTY AND GOT 3 YEARS AND 2 MONTHS PROBATION. THE SAD PART TO THIS STORY IS THAT THIS WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME HES DONE THIS. BUT BY PLEADING GUILTY HE RECEIVE THE MIN. SENTENCE. THE NEXT CASE HAD THE SAME OUTCOME, WITH MULTIPLE ARRESTS PRIOR. SOONER OR LATER, THESE GUYS WILL FIGURE OUT NO WITNESSES NO CONVICTIONS. SO THEY WILL START KILLING THEIR VICTUMS. THEY DIDN’T SHOOT THIS TIME BUT, HOW ABOUT THE NEXT TIME? I BELEIVE EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE, BUT ALL ASSUALT RIFLES BE AGAINST THE LAW. PUNISHMENT FOR KILLING ANYONE WITH A WEAPON IS DEATH , IF WE ARE 100% POSITIVE THEY DID THE CRIME.

    • 45caliber

      Murder has the worst punishment by law. BUT … I was told by a lawyer that the crime most criminals serve more time for committing is robbery. Not murder. And seeing some of the sentences for murder in the last few years I’m beginning to believe him. I can hardly believe it when a man is sentenced to 15 years for murder and can get out in less than five for good behavior.

      • ace

        OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS A BIG JOKE!!!!!!!!!

      • eddie47d

        Caliber; You are throwing around so many misstatements. Not all murders are the same and it could have been a case of self defense where the defender wasn’t totally innocent. Most murderers get life without parole since 1993.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        I saw where the government wants to cut the justice departments budget. so what was the first way to do it? Cut the jail terms!!! Typical progressive reaction, cut the jail terms for criminals! My wife came up with a good idea. you’ve heard of house arrest?? Well she wants district arrest. cut the jail terms of murderers, but give them district arrest….in the District of Columbia!! Washington, DC to the ones that don’t know that name!!! Bet they change their mind REAL quick!!!

  • George

    As a Canadian living in the USA, one of the reasons not to return to Canada are Canadian current laws relating to gun control and criminal rights. Specifically regarding criminal rights, it has reached the point where a Canadian home owner is better off not calling 911 to report a home invasion, but simply dealing with the situation himself appropriately, as needed.

    • Wim Vonk

      You are talking rubbish. Would you sooner go into an Amreican downtown city alone at night or a Canadian one. And why are theri 20 times more murders in the States if your gun laws are so wonderful. Youare just gun lovers that is all.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Wim Vonk,
        Then I suggest if you aren’t already a resident of Canada and you are so afraid of the big bad guns, make a quick move!!!! Your rights end where you start to infringe on mine! Especially when they are God given rights that are further backed by the constitution AND the supremes!!

      • JC

        My God Wim , but you are a gullible fool. One has done ZERO homework on the subject but has an opinion based on propoganda, not facts.
        The most violent American cities AND Canadian cities have strict gun controls in place. That`s why only the criminals are walking around with guns and it explains the levels of violence, you ok so far or am I going too fast for you?

        The cities in the US that allow personal self defense, have lower crime rates and in some cases lower than Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver…but thats ok…you just go ahead and keep beating your bleeding heart liberal drum.

  • 45caliber

    There is a lot of talk here about guns and crime and their association.

    The places in the US with the fewest guns per population are the inner cities. The places with the most guns per population are the country areas – the less people, the more guns per person.

    And guess what? The worst crime areas are in the inner cities while the countries have far fewer. Do you think there might be a corillation? I do.

  • Bob from Calif.

    Anyone that believes in gun control, needs to learn to protect their self and their families. The fact is police will not be able to protect you from an intruder in your home or a mugger on the street. I think the saying goes, “There is never a cop around when you need one”. All that worry should find a good self defense course, and continue it until you feel confident enough to take on anyone. And having a gun around is smart when you are up against a perpetrator with a gun. If you are really good you can take someone out with a gun, if they are standing close to you. But with a gun in your hand Mr. Colt made everyone equal. Even the smallest granny can take on the biggest criminal. I pray to God that I never need to shoot someone. But wisdom tells me it is better to be safe than sorry. The reason Japan did not want to invade America is because “…there is a gun behind every blade of grass…”. With all of the hunters and gun owners in America, we have the largest standing army in the world. Lets keep it that way. All of you gun control advocates quit your blubbering and learn to protect yourself, or you will become a statistic. The world is not getting any nicer.

  • http://none Jonathan

    I am a Canadian. I disagree completely with gun control. The only gun control there should be is fully automatic weapons in public posession and in possession by people with a criminal record.

    I think the argument should not be approached from the side of safety so much as from the side of freedom. Making life completely safe is not the job of the government, but the individual. Freedom is the issue.

    I believe almost every political argument should hinge on the question of maximizing freedom. Freedom of speech, action, possession, religion, press, etc.

    • Canadian Conservative

      Well said. Although I wouldn’t mind owning a full auto. :)

      • 45caliber

        Trust me. You wouldn’t want to shoot it very often. The bullets cost too much.

      • JC

        The Sig Sauer 550 and 556 are available in Canada and will cycle faster than you can pull the trigger. And that’s fast enough. ;)

    • http://deleted Claire

      Jonathan– I agree.

    • JC

      Amen Brother! :)

  • M. Stockwell

    A long time ago I started looking at who benefited from allowing criminals who commit crimes with guns, to live. I believe it is the lawyers. The criminal gets ?free? representation? That means that we pay for it, not himself. He gets out or off and commits another crime and the lawyer gets paid again. Most of our lawmakers are lawyers…does that make sense? When we get regular people in there making our laws, they will benefit all the people, not just the lawyers.
    If a person kills intentionally, he should die…..Period. If he had that to look forward to, it would certainly deter anyone with half a brain. If someone commits a crime with a gun, No parole and the chain gang for the rest of his life. Just my opinion.

    • 45caliber

      You are correct. We have the perfect law system – for lawyers.

      The criminal is usually caught within a day. (80% the same day, 90% by the end of the week.) He then gets a lawyer either by hiring one or having one appointed for him. They take up to two years to get a trial so the lawyer gets a steady pay check for “representing” him. When he goes to jail, he serves only part of his sentence and then is released on parole to start the whole circle over again – if he doesn’t commit more crimes during his original time waiting on trial.

      So as long as the criminal isn’t killed, the lawyer has a steady income. And they charge (us as taxpayers) about $400 to $600 an hour for their time. Why do you think they are so against the death penalty?

    • 45caliber

      There is a federal gun law that states that anyone who uses a gun to commit a crime will receive a manditory 10 year ADDITIONAL sentence above what he would have received. Virginia started enforcing that law several years ago and other states (like mine) now do it too. But there were a lot of objection to enforcing it – from Congress. It might stop Congress from passing more laws to satisfy people who didn’t know that law existed.

  • http://none Robert Gransaull

    All those not in favour of gun control just have to examine the statistics. In Canada and England with strict gun control laws have substantially lower murder rates than the USA. I believe that should tell you something.

    • 45caliber

      Really? That’s not what I’ve seen. Incidently, are you counting just murders here?

      It seems when statistics are being used here, the numbers show ALL deaths here in the US by guns as murder – even if it is an accident or a cop shoots a criminal trying to kill him. In other countries they count only the murders.

      Actually when you count ALL deaths, Russia is number one, primarily due to crime. Japan (which bans all guns and ammo – 1 year jail sentence for ONE bullet) was number 2 – due to suicides. The US wasn’t even number 25.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        good point, as most sensible people don’t count self defense as a murder!! I don’t count all shootings by cops in the line of duty as a murder either!

  • Ken

    At age 14 in 1967-1968 I lived 12000 feet in the Ande Mountains of Northern Peru.

    The military were the police commanded by the Capitan.

    The “Cholos” (derogatory name to reference the Indians) were not allowed to have guns.

    One day my parents were told to keep us in the house. From our window we could see the housing complex built by the mine for the miners. I watched as the buses and trucks came up the winding dirt road from Trujillo. They parked at various places inside and surrounding the housing complex. As I understood later this was the draft. Young men were not asked, screened or shown respect by the personnel who escorted them to the trucks and buses. A few females were taken in the trucks. We were told by the Capitan very few would come back. Of the males taken, most would die in the jungle. They were used to expose enemy locations. Of the females, none returned. And none had a choice.

    Previous to this experience, my father told us about a group of “Caballeros” with guns who would occupy family farms in the mountains. The targeted families who lived and farmed their land for hundreds and in some cases over a thousand years. They usually had antiques passed through the generations. The Caballeros started with the youngest person by either gutting or shooting them . When they left, with or without “treasure”, no family member present was left alive.

    So what is worse? Not being allowed to protect yourself as above or protecting yourself? This is not a difficult question. The answer is obvious. Anyone who does not want you to protect yourself has ulterior motives for your welfare. If you can even partially justify being protected by the government then consider the lack of headlines for the Chollos so easily killed.

    Those who take away your right to self protection do not respect you. Simple proof: If they respect you they will not take your right to protect yourself away. If they do not respect you, then you are Chollo in their eyes and will not be “protected”. You will be demanded to respect those who have the guns, and, you WILL respect them, whether you want to or not.

    • 45caliber

      A very good example of why we need to keep our rights here. And I believe we can all guess what happened to those girls.

  • Joe America

    It’s clear that Canada is a part of the British Commonwealth, and, as a result, subject to said Commonweatlh. Autralia, New Zealand and other British “colonies” have had their guns taken away. However, crime is rampant in all these nations. And, of course, the criminals get all the guns they want. Criminals love the fact that their victims are unarmed. It’s easier to rob, kill, rape and mame, that way. No self respecting criminal wants their victims to be arms with guns. So, they love these antigun laws. It makes their jobs so much easier. All I can say is, way to go British Commonwealth. You really know how to protect your people from criminals. Wonderful!

    This is why we rebeled against England some two hundred plus years ago.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Joe America,
      some of these progressives should talk to a few Londoners, I have! they are threatened by violence all the time and are powerless to do ANYTHING about it! If they take a cricket bat to a burglar, they are arrested for a violent act and the theif is forgotten. Forget the fact that he may have had intended to kill the homeowner! Drop a cigarrette on the sidewalk and see what happens, but don’t bother to call the bobbies if you have something stolen at knifepoint. complain and you get a citation for it! Is that what these progressives want for the US???

  • joe sorrentino

    just a couple of forfather comments to mull over…as quoted from tomas jefferson..the strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is,as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in goverment…a direct quote from george washington..a free people not only ought to be armed and disciplined,but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independance from any who might attempt to abuse them which would include their own government…mull over that for awhile…we ere given those rights…stand up for them and defend yourself against a goverment who wants to control your every move..guns don’t kill people…people kill people

  • Steven Goldstein

    When guns are outlawed only the outlaws will have guns. Its that simple. Period. And, as my son reminds me, the right to bear arms is part of the Bill of Rights not to enable us to forage for food but to defend ourselves against a government turned tyrannical. To much control is tyranny.I don’t own a firearm but I’m damn glad I have the right to.

  • Harold Olsen

    I, personally, do not like nor own guns. However, I feel that law abiding citizens should have the right to own guns and AS MANY guns and ANY TYPE of gun they choose–including assault weapons.

    As this article indicates, every time there is some sort of shooting spree, there is an outcry to restrict gun ownership. It’s too bad that more people did not have guns when Giffords and those others were shot. That moron who did the shooting wouldn’t be waiting to stand trial now. He’d be dead and that would save the taxpayers the cost of putting him on trial.

    Back in the 70′s, I remember watching an episode of “McCloud.” In this episode, a reporter was on a campaign to take guns away from cops and citizens. McCloud points out that if cops and the people are disarmed, then only the criminals will have the guns. And, THAT is absolutely right.

    No matter what gun control laws are in place, criminals will still have the guns and will still be able to do the sort of thing that happened in Arizona. Gun control has NOTHING whatsoever to do with protecting people. It is just one more ongoing effort by the left to take away out God-given freedoms.

    • John

      Harold,
      As it turns out there was a person that was armed with a gun when the tragedy in Tucson took place. He was with his mother and as they both walked over to the assembly, he decided to go inside the market first to get some coffee. The horrific murderers took place while he was in the market. He ran outside and helped subdue the lunatic, but it was too late.
      He later lamented how it haunted him, that if he had been there, he could have more than likely saved the little girl’s life & that of others too.

  • BobbyB

    The whole “They’re coming to take your guns is just more pure horse shit generated by the NRA. No one wants to take any ones guns. Some Republican running in WV sent a letter to every resident saying the Dems would take their bibles if elected (I like that idea) but that’s just another lie.

    I just want to make sure that a lunatic can’t go to a gun show and buy a gun. I mean a person that should be locked away.

    Is that asking too much?

    • 45caliber

      Several people in Congress (Schummer is one) have stated that they eventually want to ban all guns. When that happens you can bet someone will come to make sure you complied. So you are wrong.

    • JeffH

      BobbyB, just because you say it(“Nobody Wants to Take Your Guns”) doesn’t make it true. History tells us different.

      “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” —Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

      The U.S. government argues in federal court (U.S. v. Emerson information page) that there is absolutely no right of an individual to own firearms!

      Judge Garwood: “You are saying that the Second Amendment is consistent with a position that you can take guns away from the public? You can restrict ownership of rifles, pistols and shotguns from all people? Is that the position of the United States?”
      Meteja (attorney for the government): “Yes”

      Garwood: “Is it the position of the United States that persons who are not in the National Guard are afforded no protections under the Second Amendment?”

      Meteja: “Exactly.”

      Meteja then said that even membership in the National Guard isn’t enough to protect the private ownership of a firearm. It wouldn’t protect the guns owned at the home of someone in the National Guard.

      Garwood: “Membership in the National Guard isn’t enough? What else is needed?”

      Meteja: “The weapon in question must be used IN the National Guard.”
      (Excerpt of oral arguments in U.S. v. Emerson, 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, June 13, 2000)

      “Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.”
      –U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein Associated Press 11/18/93

      “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out right ban, picking up every one of them… “Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in. I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here.”
      –U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), CBS-TV’s “60 Minutes,” 2/5/95

      U.S. Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) on terrorism and self-defense:
      The following comments were made by U.S. Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) during U.S. Senate hearings on terrorism held in Washington, D.C. on April 27, 1995:

      “Because less than twenty years ago I was the target of a terrorist group. It was the New World Liberation Front. They blew up power stations and put a bomb at my home when my husband was dying of cancer. And the bomb didn’t detonate. … I was very lucky. But, I thought of what might have happened. Later the same group shot out all the windows of my home.”

      “And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. I’d walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me.”

      [During her comments at this hearing Sen. Feinstein made no disavowal of carrying a concealed weapon or of people arming themselves as she has done (and presumably still does) in California.]

      “The last doubt as to the real intentions of at least certain influential members of the Commission, with regard to privately-owned firearms, was dispelled by our Research Director of the ‘task force on gun control,’ Mr. Zimring. While we were discussing the polls which ask people about their weapons, and the ‘downard bias’ so invariably encountered, we asked Mr. Zimring why people were so suspicious.
      “He replied quite promptly, and with a frankness he will no doubt be made to regret: ‘It’s because we’re coming to get their guns.’”
      — Huck, Susan L. M., “The Gun Grab: Watching The New Violence Commission,” American Opinion, October 1968,

      The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business. — New York Times, September 24, 1975

      The goal is an ultimate ban on all guns, but we also have to take step at a time and go for limited access first.
      — Joyner Sims, Florida State Health Dept., Deputy Commissioner, Chicago Tribune, November 7, 1993

      If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own hand guns.— Chicago Mayor Richard Daley Federal Gun Legislation Press Conference in Washington, D.C., November 13, 1998.

      “The League supports legislative controls to stop the proliferation of private ownership of handguns and their irresponsible use. The League advocates restricting access to semi-automatic assault type weapons.” (League of Women Voters of Illinois: 2001-2003 Positions in Brief (PDF)

      My own view on gun control is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns, would be banned.
      — Deborah Prothrow-Stith, Dean of the Harvard School of Public Health

      Don’t be fooled into trading your rights for a false since of security…

      .

    • Lee Abel

      Bobby, I for one have seen your horse$hit response to NRA so many times before.
      Yet for every person who believes that there are many who KNOW its true.
      Time was we didnt have the term assault weapons ban on every liberals lips, then Reagan got shot with a .22lr,,,,a freaking .22lr pistol. Yet Brady and all of his ilk try to ban all weapons, assault, pistols, shotguns etc.
      Didnt help one bit either, wonder why, oh yeah no criminal has to get a waiver or FFL holder to get the gun or go through a background check, just rob you and others till they have enough cash and then go buy an assault weapon, say an sks or ak and tada they are in business. But someone who who hunts gets hit with the requirement to only carry 3 shells in their gun while hunting. hmmmmmmm. wonder why NRA is needed?
      Idiots like you maybe?

    • JC

      Um Bobby? have you been paying any attention at all to that witch Hillary and her cavorting with the other UN elites to produce a global gun treaty? Read: gun grab?

      It flies in the face of our founding principles, laws and Constitution
      and she should be tried for treason.

      Then there’s that Bloomberg slime ball and his efforts to disarm everyone he can…
      I mean really Bobby, where ya been?

    • Ken

      This blog, so far, is not centered on conspiratorial mentality. I have a
      lot of respect for most government officials who do their jobs making
      decisions affecting all of us. They have a lot of weight on their
      shoulders. There are those, that given the opportunity, would not
      hesitate a blink to outlaw all guns if given free reign. The “God
      Complex” entry from Richard Pawley (January 26, 2011 at 11:20 am) is
      very good at demonstrating this.

      We have the right to bear arms right now because our elected officials
      have stood up for us. Right now it is a heated argument. Heated
      arguments are healthy. Heated arguments amongst honorable people result
      in improvements.

      Explain the irony of someone who in a few sentences espouses
      conspiratorial theories then ends by advocating “Thought Police”. Isn’t
      it clear what you would do given free reign? Thank God, and/or our fore
      fathers for giving us the system we have. Neither you or other “God
      Complex” souls have been able to get solid footholds in controlling this
      country. For over 200 years this country has survived on the principles
      of our fore fathers, keeping the affects of extremists limited. For over
      200 years the requirement for elected officials to respect their
      constituents has developed us into the strongest and most independent
      civilization in history.

    • Ken

      (The last paragraph was not copied in.)

      If we, the general populace, have no way to defend ourselves, then heated arguments become one-sided and extremist become dominant. You and the rest of us become enslaved to the ideals of these extremist. No matter how wrong the extremist are, if you disagree, you are the criminal. This is not a game of emotions. It is very serious. If one extremist successfully removes our ability of self defense, we are done as a nation. Imagine a life where survival is according to how how well you “brown nose” to those in power. It is supposed be those in power “brown nosing” to their constituents.

  • BimBam

    Good things the other two criminals did not have guns due to the gun laws, huh?

    But, I’m still for the 2nd Ammendment.

  • Daniel from TN

    I will agree to gun control if you agree to ban automobiles. Let’s face facts. There are too many drunk drivers on the road. These drunks kill and hurt people and destroy private property. So instead of going after the drunks, who are the lawbreakers, let’s just ban the ownership and possession of automobiles. Sound ridiculous? Yes it is. But that’s the same arguement gun controllers make about gun ownership.
    FYI. Banning gun ownership has already been tried in other countries. Australia tried it several years ago. Crime increased so much there it cannot be measured. Criminals now know that citizens cannot defend themselves because criminals are now the only ones with guns.
    The state of Conneticut has the lowest crime rate in the nation. Conneticut also has the least gun control laws in the nation. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
    Being shot in the act of breaking the law is an occupational hazard for criminals. Gun control just makes their job that much easier.

  • JeffH

    Our founding fathers knew the dangers of a big controlling government and made sure our unalienable right to bear arms was plainly stated in the Constitution along with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! The American Constitution protects the American People from the State, and the Liberal Pinheads know this and try to pollute the Constitution to better fit their agenda. By doing this they show their hatred for the Constitution and the American way of life. Liberals do not want PEOPLE they want SHEEP that will follow their every directive and bow down to the almighty government.

    Our great country was born on the battle field with the American Revolution and as I watch the news each day I can see that the lines are being drawn right now! Another Revolution is on its way, this one may not be fought will ball and musket but with a simple VOTE. But as more and more government is forced upon us, as more of our freedoms are quietly repossessed the future may take another lesson from the past, as history tends to repeat itself. Don’t Tread On Me!

  • Lee Abel

    Past history:
    Washington DC before the removal of gun bans. 4 college girls all students living in fairly affluent neighborhood. All 4 families got together and bought their 2 story home.
    Well all 4 girls come home, 2 go upstairs to study, then 2 down open door for supposed delivery, in come 3 or 4 armed assailants who in turn, raped, sodomized and beat the 2 girls down stairs. Girls upstairs called 911,,and waited, some time later hear scuffling and door opening. Turns out one dragged girl into other room had her give him money, he goes out to get booze/drugs. Other 2 girls come down, thinking its over cops are their. THEY get held for hours raped, sodomized and beaten.
    Next day nearly 16 hrs later one cop car shows up guys bolt out back door.
    The DC cops had to recheck the 911 call as it hadnt been cleared on the call sheet.
    Reason no one showed up,,,shift change and DC cops didnt HAVE to respond if going off duty, they FORGOT to leave notice the 911 call wasnt responded to.
    girls families tried to sue the DC police force,,,get this. Its even in their rules,,, they dont have to show up for crime just show up to write reports.
    Girls all survived and moved away, house sold and cops in DC had a 12 minute response time at the time of call. Except when this one happened.
    2 of the three have been apprehended, and their attorneys, literally made them relive EVERY moment 3 yrs later in telling ordeal, THEN tried to use excuse that the 4 girls were wanting rough sex and having a sex party.
    Hmm they were NUNs going on to higher education and all had taken vows of celibacy!
    So after this little incident the NRA backed movement started working to get the DC gun ban removed.
    They are also working on beating Chicago and its draconian measures to keep legal Americans from procuring and owning guns for self defense.
    Heck we even have Chicago’s mayor trying to keep criminals safe a normal law abiding citizen had to jump through major hoops to have a gun, and cant keep it loaded or even take it out side front door to protect say a wife/husband/son/daughter/etc from gang related violence, then will be arrested IF they use said firearm in self defense and has to stay in jail with same criminal they were trying to stop till proven innocent and law abiding.
    Got a cousin who lives in Chicago, his now wife was raped several years ago. He lives in company provided apartment, area isnt as safe as he hoped, he jumped through all legal hoops to retain his shot gun and .22 rifle and when his wife was being beaten and dragged to car in front of his apartment he takes gun outside, shoots attacker in leg.
    His neighbors all attest to fact that he was defending his wife and stopping a crime.
    He goes to court, has permits to retain weapons lifted, was charged then dropped for taking law into his own hands, had numerous other things charged against him.
    His wife spent 4 nights in psych ward as she was beating cops who were handcuffing her husband who had just saved her life.
    The other perpetrators in car drove away, 2 block over found another lady and abducted her and raped and beat her, she was retired police officer who couldnt carry concealed.
    She identified these perps as career gangbangers.
    The only people who can carry weapons in Chicago are cops and criminals.
    My buddy finally got his gun back and right to own them. His wife has had to get some mental help since, and I can almost guarantee you she has a blackmarket pistol till they move.
    Take my rights to do something away but let criminals get away with doing same thing illegally and I have issue.
    GUNS DONT KILL, PEOPLE DO.
    BAN ALL PEOPLE, NO MORE PEOPLE!

    • JC

      I’ll bet whatever is left of those women own guns now.

  • http://www.tomblairea.com Thomas Avery Blair

    Last February (2010) a small man with a knife in his hand stepped through the front door of my home and demanded money. I pulled and aimed my 38 at his heart and he left in a hurry. He appeared to me to be a crack head but obviously knew that at that moment he had shown up to a gun fight with a knife.

    On July 1st 2010 two men were kicking my front door at 1 a.m. for reasons unknown to me, but they immediately vacated the premises when I “cracked” my twelve gauge and pointed it in their immediate direction…I did not see any weapons on them, but they did see one on me! While I am no invalid, I do suffer a heart condition and with arthritis in my legs…and can’t move fast enough to otherwise try to defend myself with feet and fists. Had I not been armed at the right time and place at both of these events that occurred within 6 months of each other, I expect I would not be alive to write this comment.

    Need I say more other than that I moved to another home and bought a few hundred more rounds of ammunition for my registered weapons, and have also now installed a full-service security system with monitors and sirens…and even a “panic button” to use after I have first shot and then again “locked and loaded.”

    I have four times in my life been stabbed or shot by assailants trying to deprive me of my property and/or my life (I used to be a repo man). My concealed weapons permit and skills with my weapons help me sleep better at night…at least food for thought, is it not?

    Respectfully submitted,

    TAB

  • DaveH

    Here’s your chance, Liberals, to put your mouths where our money is. The UnConstitutional Patriot Act is coming up for renewal next month. Call your Liberal legislators and raise some hell.

  • fundamentalattributionerror

    thousands of people develop dementia, thousands come into hospital with infections and medical conditions that make them confused. Thousands develop mental illness. It would be nice to know that while they are law-abiding they have their guns registered so that when they are not themselves for whatever reason we know that it make not be the best idea for them to have fire arms and take the appropriate steps. In Canada your exwife or current wife has to sign that you are fit to have a gun. One woman maintained in a newspaper story that even though they took away her significant others’ guns, he still managed to beat her with a tire iron. She says if he had of had a gun she would be dead today. They should put locator chips on guns so that if they are stolen they can track them and also they cannot be smuggled. They should also have a digital lock on them so only the owner can fire them. If you want to own a gun, you should be responsible enough to register it. If you are not responsible enough to register your gun then you should not have the privilege of owning one.

    • JC

      “They should put locator chips on guns so that if they are stolen they can track them and also they cannot be smuggled. They should also have a digital lock on them so only the owner can fire them.”

      Are you out of your freaking mind?
      Tell ya what…why don’t YOU go and get yourSELF chipped like a dog and leave the rest of us the hell alone?
      Hmm? How would that be?

      • fundamentalattributionerror

        Getting chipped may not be a bad idea. If you were in a third world country we could find you in an earthquake zone. Also if it tracked your vitals we could possibly tell whether to keep looking for you because we would know whether you are dead or not. If you are in a storm and lost or have dementia or alzheimers and wander away we can also find you. Same if you are an abducted child or a missing person or in a house fire.

        • JC

          Those are fine ideas in theory, but you’re laboring under the misconception that the people who would control that information
          are only concerned with your well being…they aren’t.

          Imagine if all the Jews in Europe had been chipped in the 1930′s.

          We have no logical reason to believe that this or any other government is incapable of reigning evil upon us now or in the future.

          So, you go ahead and get yourself chipped if you like, but anyone trying to plant a piece of metal in me or any member of my family will find that I have one for him too.

        • JeffH

          Getting chipped may not be a bad idea., IF? IF the world were full of peacefull people we wouldn’t have this conversation!

          IF is a word used by “dreamers”. I think we’ve all used it at one time or another. Generally speaking, the odds of getting your “IF’s” is astronomical…so dream on and enjoy. Eventually you’ll snap back to reality.

  • john johnson

    I carry a gun cause i can’t carry a cop.Real men are never helpless.why would you ever be?Three people at every crime scene, cop,victim,criminal.Guess who gets there last?

  • http://com i41

    Don’t think that polester pear shaped witcch isn’t doing what Soros the Nazi Traitor Socialist doesn’t want, as well as the crossbred marxist muslim moron in doesn’t do the slubs bidding. Only orginal plan Onumnutts has been trying to in his releam. Is take away private property right and ownership with his domestic terrorists with executive orders. Then he would be following a Un 2007 mandate to outlaw all private land ownership. Just a few more pages out ofhis idoils booksEvery smuck I have ever worked with or been around have been socialist card carrying democraps, who beleive government know best how to protect, feed, provide shelter, damn near cloth you, and educate you. Most have been tenured professors, imported professors from Russia or some other dirt bag country, and idoits with government jobs. Same sorry azzes whine about big magazine on guns, and why we like things that make noise. Ask the pinheads why they want a plastic peice of crap with 400 hp that weight 1500 lbs. When they claim it doesn’t kill people randomly, ask if they have ever remove small children from a smashed up mini van that was t boned by a sports car racing on a street? I’ll take everyone with a hand gun in their pocket than a city with only criminals and union police officers to protect me. Idoits who bank on peper spray or some other pie in the sky safety measure, I always say I don’t want to cook and eat the stink bastards, I want to stop the criminal dead in his tracks.

    • Ray

      It’s so hard to understand just what the hell you’re trying to say.

  • Manuel

    I live in Spain where gun control is also very strict. We had many years where gun crime was almost non existent, probably up to the 90s but I think that was the inheritance of Franco’s authoritarian regime that converted most Spaniards into cowards so they could be easily controlled by the nanny state (and most continue to be).

    But from the 90s to now, gun crime has raised mainly because of the immigrants from eastern Europe and South America, so now Spaniards are defenseless against armed criminals, like the Canadians are now. They get into detached houses (the ones that have made some more money as most Spaniards cannot afford a house and have to live like ants in blocks of flats) with the owners still inside and violently force them to give everything and open the safe if there is one.

    If the UK is in a bad condition about freedom, Spain is even worst. After Franco we have had 30 years of socialist governments that have dynamited individual freedoms, even more than what Franco did: they want to tell us (and force us) what to do, what to think, what to eat, what to say… they want to control all of our private lives.

    They are forcing their political thinking to our children in lessons that they cannot skip and where they say things like “Cuba is the only country in the world with true freedom” or “If you have heterosexual feelings, couldn’t that be that you are passing a hetero phase?” So trying to imply that homosexuality is the “normal” state and hetero the “bad” state. They are destroying the family in all aspects, now a 16 years old girl can legally abort in a hospital without having to tell her parents, the state authorizes the abortion so in fact taking parenthood away for the parents and placing it in the state, like it was in the communist Russia. School levels are the worst in Europe and really low in the world ranking so new generations can be easily controlled. Dumb people are very easy to control, intelligent people are not.

    All what they do has a purpose, authoritarian control of the population converting them in slaves but without them realizing of their slavery so there is not an upraising. Yes, we are back to slavery, most “normal” people are slaves because the great majority of them will have to work all his live (now increased to 67 years old but it will continue to increase) to have just enough money to buy poisoned food with toxins that make them dumber-controllable (glutamate, aspartame, mercury, etc), to “own” a place (pay a rent to the bank called mortgage) where to stay at night after work, a car so they can go to go to work, and a TV so they can get the propaganda from the government. Then if you are a bit more successful you can get some more “things” but then you will suffer 45% income tax, plus the 18% tax on everything you buy, plus over 50% tax on petrol, tax for owning a house, for owning a car, etc, etc…

    There is some hope, but very little yet, some people are wakening and getting organized to try changing it, but I think we will have to fight very, very hard to regain our freedom and stop being slaves, unfortunately I suspect that some blood shed will be unavoidable.

    Freedom to the people of the world from the socialist fist!

  • B.A.R.

    I love guns help me get rid of some crooks, you should have seen the looks on thier faces I love it!!!

  • B.A.R.

    How easy is for the U.S.OfA criminals to make it into Canada. Seems like soom good picking up in the north country.

  • Ridge Runner

    I have been reading how a lot of these damn dumb asses think you would be safer if you don’t have a gun.If you dumb asses don’t want a gun for protection what ever the reason that is your busines but keep your damn long nose out of mine if you don’t want it trimed.A gun is a tool and if you don’t know how to handle itdon’t know how take care of are scared of it then you probably shouldn’t have one.I am 75 years old and my 38 sptcal s&w makes me the equal of most any body and animal.You can kill a bear with a little ole 22 if you shoot it between their eye and its ear their skull is paper thin there. what i am saying is this is gun control that i like be able to hit your target. My sister sent me a email last year that i think fits here real well.A woman i think it was in texas working as a waitress and geting of work late ay night was carrsying a gun. She was at a bus stop waiting on the buss.A hoodlum ran by and grabed her purse but he didn’t get her gun because she had her hand in her purse and her gun was in her hand.She shot the man six times and the gudge asked her why she shot him six tlmes.I like her answer because when she pulled the triger the seventh time it just snaped.Now that is gun control.If you don’t know how or want use it then don’t carry a gun.Just leave a note what flowers you like.

  • Glenn

    I lived in south Chicago in 1948 and while guns could be purchased hardly anyone could afford one. What really happened is gangs of 30 kids from 10 years old on up ruled the streets with zip guns, pipes, knives and chains. If you didn’t get into your apartment before dark you went down to the local police station and stayed overnight for safety. At each floor level the ceiling light was broken and the gangs were waiting for someone to try and use the stairs. There were no elevators at that time in the apartments. So if you want gang rule again guess gun control is the way to go. A gun made even the weak equal to a big bully.

  • jopa

    Wow I am so glad I don’t live next to some of the nutjobs on this site.If I were I would be armed to the hilt.There are however some I have to agree with and that is the mental issue of these individuals.You can pretty much tell who is bordering on the edge of insanity by their writings,grumbling and nonsense they come up with.Are there any insane asylums open in America anymore or are some you hooked up with internet in your wards?

    • JeffH

      jopa, the feeling is mutual.

  • hundabuxt

    Jopa I suspect is one of those liberal characters who believes big brother will take care of him. Why anyone would believe that taking away the prevlege, the right to defend onself is going to eliminate the sickness that would commit mass murders or random crime is anyones guess. Its like saying outlawing insect chemicals will eliminate insects. Look, I carry a gun all the time. I don’t flaunt it or make it obvious. It doesn’t put me on a power trip. When asked if I’m packing I respond to their feelings, which are much like Joba’s, with the question: do you have insurance, say, for your car, your life, your health? When they answer the inevetable “yes” I tell them that’s why I carry a gun. If I need it I have it. Case closed.

  • Wim Vonk

    What ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. Most Canadians are terrified to go into American cities. If Mr Myers feels safer in the US than in Canada then why is the murder rate rate about 20 times higher in the States. The US has by far the worst statistics for deaths by guns than any other western Nation. And this guy feels safer in the US. Just spweing propaganda. Read the statistics foolish man.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Wim V.
      I’m not sure what his reasons are but I can guess one reason is that here he can apply for and get a concealed carry permit and there he can’t. what this means is in Canada he would be at the mercy of any who wished to do him harm or his family. Here in the US he wouldn’t be!!!! Figure it out!!

    • hundabuxt

      We have millions of blacks and mexican criminals. Canada has french canadians. We have over 300 million people overall when juxtaposed with the canadian population makes canada more like one mid west state. If 10% of any given population tends to be criminal the problem tends to be more noticable if your population is in the tens of millions. You canadians love to rag on the US but you are heavly dependent on us for military protection and economic strength. If it wasn’t for the US you’d be a second world country. Keep it up and we’ll take away your 18 F18 fighters and make you the 51st state.

    • JC

      Wim you are an hysterical idiot and you do NOT speak for Canadians.
      Undoubtedly a Liberal.

      • JeffH

        Wm Vonk sounds like a Canadien version of eddie.

        • JC

          Worse! he’s actually a transplanted Euro-Lib living in “liberal” Vancouver.

          Vancouver BC is on the west coast, like Los Angeles,
          straight west is Calgary where I’m living at this time, like Phoenix (hometown).
          And people here (Alberta) see people there (BC) the same way Arizonans see Angelenos…We call it the Granola Bowl, because what ain’t fruits and nuts is flakes! ;)

          • JeffH

            JC, “We call it the Granola Bowl, because what ain’t fruits and nuts is flakes!” That is hilarious. I hope you don’t mind, I’m gonna have to remember and use that one.

          • JC

            All yours my friend. :)

    • always right

      Most killings in the US are gang/drug related. Most gangs doing these killings are blacks & hispanics. We have more blacks and hispanics. That is one common denominator worldwide. As the “minority” population rises, so does the murder rate. That is why Somalia is Somalia and Finland is Finland. There you have it. Life is tough and hoensty can sometimes be brutal. Such is life.

  • jopa

    I have been in almost every major American city and several in Europe and Canada.Never did feel a need to have packed a piece but it was more a matter of common sense.Evey city has places a person that doesn’t know the area better stay out of but if you use your street smarts you will survive.I know a few little men that need equalizers and I don’t care if they carry or not but the odds are when they do pull there gun they will have it taken away and be on the losing end.Ome more thing JC let jeffh use your funnyline since he hasn’t come up with anything original on his own.Copy paste kinda guy lacking plenty upstairs.

    • Denniso

      Most people carrying a concealed weapon will be worthless if it comes to confronting a thug. The criminal will not hesitate to shoot but the little lady will…she’s dead.

      At least two recent studies show that more guns equals more carnage to innocents. One survey by the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine found that guns did not protect those who had them from being shot in an assault — just the opposite. Epidemiologists at Penn looked at hundreds of muggings and assaults. What they found was that those with guns were four times more likely to be shot when confronted by an armed assailant than those without guns. The unarmed person, in other words, is safer.

      Other studies have found that states with the highest rates of gun ownership have much greater gun death rates than those where only a small percentage of the population is armed. So, Hawaii, where only 9.7 percent of residents own guns, has the lowest gun death rate in the country, while Louisiana, where 45 percent of the public is armed, has the highest.

      • Glenn

        So what happened to DC with the harshest gun control. They should have had the lowest crime rate but instead have the highest

        • Denniso

          D.C. is surrounded by states w/ little gun regulation…how do you propose to keep guns out,stop every car that comes into the city?
          Memphis TN is one of the highest for violent crime w/ about 50% more than D.C. Do some research before spouting off…

      • always right

        Well I can see that Denniso pulls ‘facts’ out of his backside. This stuff he’s citing is clearly in conflict with dozens of other studies, therefore is likely fabricated.

    • JC

      I see, so you pair of idiots wouldn’t have the nerve to defend yourselves or your families and want the government to do it for you.
      Therefore you assume that everyone else should or would be just as spineless as your liberal selves.

      You two shouldn’t own guns, you’d only be supplying your assailant with a weapon.

      • Denniso

        I’ve never needed a gun to defend myself. I don’t have a love affair w/ guns as some seem to. Use your head and stay out of trouble. We have about triple the murder rate w/ guns compared to Canada,Australia,England…something’s wrong.

  • jopa

    Jc; Sure I own guns but never been such a chicken sh– I need to carry it wherever I go.Then there are places one would have to be missing a little gray matter to want to go there.Perhaps you go to those kind of places for a fix or something.A little rehab may do you wonders an then you may begin to realize the only thing you have to fear is fear itself.

    • JC

      You really are just another twisted liberal aren’t you?
      What “logic” are you suppoosed to be applying here?
      I own guns but I don’t need them?
      I’m better off facing an armed assailant with my bare hands?

      That`s all fine and dandy…you just go right ahead and do that.
      But you`re idiocy is something you get to choose only for yourself.
      You and every other Libby out there will be in for a tremendous shock when you try and take away my right to self defense just so we can all be the same kind of idiots you are.

      We win, you lose. Get used to it.

  • jopa

    JC; Your acting a little silly now.Who said they were going to come and take your gun away? I am 61 now and never needed a gun for self defense yet.How many people have you shot over the years using your method?Sooner or later your liable to lose a nut or something like that New York Giant.And you’re probably just a little guy.Right?

    • JeffH

      jopa, isn’t it time for your sheering? baaaa, baaaa, baaaa

    • JC

      jopa your question is so tiresome and boring I almost fell asleep reading it….You know damned well I(unless you live in a cocoon) that the US government in concert with the UN is doing its best to disarm us all.

      Don’t believe me? Do some homework of your own. Start with Hillary’s Global Gun treaty and work out from there.

  • jopa

    JC; How can I believe you do research on issues when you claim you almost fell asleep reading a three line comment?You are too transparent.

  • raymond g

    The people with big money want everyone under their thumbs.In the old days the church wanted the people Tobe ,illiterate so they could fill their heads and tell them what they could and couldn’t do.LOOK at all the big church’s in the old days. Sec’ there will always be sick people,crooks .The liberals are the one’s like the church ,one in power all guns will be lic. and then repossessed .Then who will put them out of power.

  • al

    John Myers has done a lovely job of painting Calgary as a scary, violent city. I have lived in Calgary for 50 years and though the mentioned events occured, (can’t vouch for his personal tale but I assume it is true), it is hardly a fair representation of the violence levels here. I have never, ever seen a gun in public, and I go out to a lot of different places and events. No one I know has had that experience, either. Fact from 2009. USA: 5 intentional murders per 100,000. Canada: 1.81 per 100,000. Calgary 2010 14 murders. Austin, Tx 35 murders. Similar size city. By the way, the assault weapons the gangs have – smuggled from USA.

  • jopa

    Apparently Mr. Myers was unaware someone from Calgary would read this page and catch him with this tale of fiction.I’m sure he will dream up a new one for his readers to scare the crap out of them.In today’s world you have to say or write something goofy or bizarre or nobody will pay attention.

    • libertytrain

      Apparently you are not aware that vast numbers of people with vast opinions post here. Perhaps the poster did not want anyone to think that perhaps Calgary may very well have a problem and did their best to dispel facts into their own fiction.

  • jopa

    I will have to go with the Calgary resident on this one.I have been to Canadian cities on many occasion’s and never felt the need for a gun, bodyguard or a posse.Great country.

  • Murray

    Gun laws simply do not guarantee safety. Period. I believe that gun owners should be required to have a permit issued by the government but that said permit should be issued once the applicant is shown NOT to be a whacko, criminal, gangster, etc., but an upstanding and honest member of the community. End of story. No registration of any guns required. No Authorization to Transport ever required. No permission to carry a concealed weapon ever required. We have backed ourselves into a corner where only the whackos and criminals have guns and use them. What we need to do is to even the playing field. Police cannot be everywhere (when you need a cop, one is only minutes away). It is better to NOT need a gun at hand and have one than to NEED a gun at hand and NOT have one. I have had the pleasure of one attempted carjacking at gunpoint, one attempted home invasion at gunpoint (they went around the corner and killed the folks that opened their door) and one successful home invasion (burglary?) NOT at gunpoint. I am VERY VERY lucky to be looking at the grass from the topside I can assure you. My grandfather did not have to contend with the idiotic law enforcement and laws that we now have in place to make honest citizens into criminals and unable to protect themselves from armed attack. The laws have not changed a whole lot but the beurocracy surrounding them sure has. The criminal code makes provision (albeit difficult) for an honest and upright citizen to carry a concealed weapon as it stands. Just try to get a permit to do so. It is impossible unless you are a cabinet minister or such. Safe storage, safe use, knowledge of firearms are all important and should be mandatory in getting that permit along with a background check… beyond that let us protect ourselves for heaven’s sake. We are NOT going to see blood running in the streets. Only less violent crime perpetrated against the citizens of Canada. Let these criminals SOB’s ply their trade somewhere else. Not in my town. If a police officer or any peace officer is allowed to carry a firearm for self defense…. so should any honest and upstanding citizen after being vetted and trained. It is really that simple. Keep the whackos out. Keep the criminals out. Renew every two or three years and do a background check to make sure it is not a whacko or criminal being licensed, but get rid of the registration of firearms. It does more harm than good.

  • http://www.regentprotection.com Bill Gibbons

    As most sane people know, banning guns does not stop the criminals from carrying them. So how has Britain fared since former prime minister Tony Blair’s all out macho “total ban” on handguns in 1997? Before Blair decided to disarm millions of law abiding citizens, the country had three mass shooting that unarmed police officers could not stop. In April 2010 in picturesque Cumbria, a popular tourist destination in northern England, a cab driver by the name of Derrick Bird drove around for 35 miles, casually gunning people down with his 12 gauge shotgun and .22 rifle. He managed to kill 12 innocent people and wound 25 others.

    The big problem here was, NOT ONE person could stop Derrick Bird. not the police, not the public. Why? Because they were unarmed. Nobody had a gun or access to one that could be used to stop this slaughter. After Bird finished his shooting spree, he casually walked into a secluded area and shot himself. In one instance, Bird was in plain sight of two police officers who were scooting people out of the way and shouting at others to “take cover.” They could not stop him. Their batons and cans of pepper spray weren’t quite a match for Bird’s guns. if unarmed police officers were at his mercy, then unarmed civilians were even more vulnerable. Armed police squads were assembled, went through their briefings, then waited for mutliple layers of authorization before they could even start looking for Derrick Bird. The nearest armed police service, the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, were drafted in to help hunt down Bird. But by this time he was dead – by his own hand.

    the question is, Just how many of the tens of thousands of UK citizens who owned handguns went on shooting sprees before they were stripped of their weapons in 1996? Only three. Yes, they were three too many, but enough for Tony Blair’s socialist government to disarm an entire nation of all handguns and rifles over .22 calibre. Ten years later in 2006, there were an estimated FOUR MIILION illegal guns circulating in the UK. Criminals between the ages of 15-24 can get access to Mac-10 sub-machine guns, Beretta pistols and replica weapons converted to fire live ammo. Also on the rise is the number of victims shot: Again, going back seven years, 440 people were seriously wounded by firearms in 2003/4, up five per cent from 2002. In the first six months of 2009, the number of shootings in London had almost doubled from 123 to 236 compared with the same period in 2008, a rise of 91.8%. Serious firearms offences have risen by 47% across London alone.

    Since 1996, gun crime has increased overall in the UK by 92%. Now we have huge areas of London, Manchester, Glasgow and Liverpool controlled by gangs armed with machine guns, fighting it out over turf and the drugs trade. Teenagers packing illegal handguns battle each other in “respect” shootings. In the meantime, coppers walk around unarmed while the rest of the country is left to cower in homes behind locked doors, burglar alarms and barred windows.

    Indeed, Britain’s gun laws are now so draconian, even the British Olympic Shooting team have to travel to Norway or France just to practise! Following the awarding of the 2012 Olympic Games to London, the government announced that “special dispensation” would be granted to allow the various shooting events to go ahead, as had been the case previously for the 2002 Commonwealth Games. However, it was still illegal for Britain’s top pistol shooters to train anywhere in the UK. Why can’t a police or Army firing range be made available to them?

    For those “ban all guns” groupies who continue to believe that disarming law abiding citizens will somehow keep us all safe, they should listen to the number of 911 recording on YouTube by terrified women who were calling for help when stalkers, rapists and burglars were in the act of breaking into their homes. The police were too far away to get to the scene in time. Locked doors, barred windows, burglar alarms and barking dogs could not stop the intruders. All the women in question are all alive today because they had access to a gun in the house and were able to put a bullet in their attackers. In Canada, they would have been charged (maybe). Dead criminals are a much better solution, or rather criminals who are afraid to break into someone house, knowing that the owner coulder be armed and willing to shoot an intuder.

    When a citizenry is unarmed and therefore stripped of its ability to protect itself from violent criminals, then that citizenry is no longer free.

    In closing, here is a newspaper report from the UK (with photos) of an armoured car guard who was attacked and badly wounded by three hooded men armed with machetes. In the UK, armoured car personnel are not allowed to possess ANY KIND of defensive weapon, not even a baton or pepper spray. They get a crash helmet and a stab vest. That’s it. The criminals don’t even need guns, just machetes and knives.

    See here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-517540/Caught-camera-Dramatic-moment-security-guard-fought-machete-wielding-gang.html

  • Diego

    Wait, there actually IS a right to bear guns here in Canada, but you need a permit, the same way one needs a permit to drive a car. Though is some provinces it has been getting complicated to get guns, so people have complained about that. Still, one can get guns. Self-defense guns and hunting guns (hunting guns require a hunting licence). But you know…it’s not to be cocky, but Canada is quite a secure place.

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