Trust My Government? Are You Kidding?



I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. Let me say it out loud: I don’t trust my government as far as I can spit. And you shouldn’t either.

There, I’ve said it. I love my country, but I don’t love our politicians or government bureaucrats. Why would I? History proves that people in government the world over are liars, cheats, frauds, incompetents, common criminals, tyrants and even murderers. Yet you think I should trust them with my phone records, emails, tax records and healthcare? If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

Let’s not worry about the true despots of world history, like Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro or Pol Pot, who enslaved and murdered their own people. Let’s ignore King George and the British generals who ordered American colonists burned alive in a locked church. Let’s ignore the fact that the U.S. government injected blacks with syphilis in medical experiments — without their knowledge or consent. Let’s ignore the fact that Franklin D. Roosevelt sent a boat of Jews escaping Hitler back to Germany, where all of them perished. Let’s ignore all those truly terrible and deadly deeds by government.

Let’s just look at recent history since electing Barack Obama.

Obama’s Internal Revenue Service persecuted honest people for the crime of being conservative critics of Obama, yet Obama nominated proven tax cheats like Tom Daschle, Nancy Killefer, Hilda Solis and Ron Kirk to major positions in his Administration.

Obama also criticized Mitt Romney for keeping his money in the Cayman Islands, but then named Jack Lew to become Treasury Secretary, even though Lew keeps his money in the Cayman Islands. Do you trust these cheats and hypocrites to monitor your taxes, oversee your healthcare or listen to your phone calls?

Obama and Hillary Clinton lied about Benghazi, Libya, and ordered Susan Rice to lie to the media for two weeks. Then, Obama even lied about the terrorist attack multiple times in front of the United Nations.

It now appears Clinton ordered a cover-up of a prostitution scandal in her own State Department.

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lied in front of Congress about the National Security Agency surveillance program.

The head of the IRS lied in front of Congress about the scandal involving the targeting of conservatives. I know; I’m one of the victims who was targeted.

But Obama lied even worse. He stated on numerous occasions as a U.S. Senator that he stood against the Patriot Act and other invasions of privacy and violations of civil liberties. Then, he doubled down as President.

No surprise: Obama was a pothead as a young adult. As a politician, he swore he’d curb or completely end the government’s war on marijuana. He said he would never violate a State’s laws legalizing medical marijuana. Yet, as President, he has doubled spending on the marijuana war. And his Administration has literally invaded California to close down marijuana dispensaries that were operating 100 percent legally, based on California State law.

Obama claims he knew nothing about IRS persecution — even though the head of the IRS visited the White House 157 times in his first term and even though Obama met with the head of the IRS employees union the day before the targeting began.

Attorney General Eric Holder appears to have lied under oath about spying on journalists, including James Rosen of FOX News (and his parents). Holder said he knew nothing about it, while he was the one signing the request for surveillance.

Then there are the scandals themselves: the IRS scandal, the Benghazi scandal, the Justice Department media-spying scandal, the Kathleen Sebelius Obamacare extortion scandal. There are so many scandals, I’ve lost track. Don’t forget an oldie but goodie called “Fast and Furious.” Obama supports strict gun control, but he had no problem selling guns to Mexican drug lords. And no one bothered to keep track of where the guns were until 300 Mexicans and a U.S. Border Patrol agent were dead.

These scandals all tie together. They represent government gone wild. Our government is out of control. It is run by megalomaniacs and control freaks who lie with impunity. Everything is always top-secret and on a need-to-know basis. And only they need to know. They will take care of us and protect us — whether we like it or not, want it or not, ask for it or not, or need it or not.

Personally, I think the group we need protecting from is government.

I don’t want the same government employees who at the IRS decided to persecute conservatives like me to be in charge of surveillance over my phone calls and emails. Do you?

If I’m an outspoken critic of Obama, will they decide to listen in on my calls with the intent of finding a reason to persecute me? If I run for office as a Republican, will they be listening in to my calls to find dirt on me? Will they be reading my emails to find out my campaign strategy? Of course, they will.

We heard under oath that NSA could not listen in on calls. It only compiles the list of who is calling whom. Then we found out only days later that NSA personnel can listen in on any call, anytime they choose. My guess is they listen in only on Republicans. After all, to listen in on Muslims would be religious persecution. But persecute Republicans? No problem there.

I don’t want the same government employees who at the IRS decided to persecute critics of Obama (like me), to be in charge of Obamacare. When I need approval for expensive cancer treatments, will they withhold approval or delay reimbursements until I die? Will they simply make my life miserable, while I’m dealing with a life-threatening illness? Will they run targeted “death panels” by denying treatment to critics of Obama?

I don’t want the government educators who recently held a toy gun buyback program at a California school teaching my children. Yes, I said a toy gun buyback program. They asked young children to turn in their toy guns in return for books. Any educator who thought up that program shouldn’t be in charge of teaching children anything.

When I publicly criticize the obscene pensions of government employees that are bankrupting our country, should I trust that angry government employees won’t target, persecute and spy on me? Will they try to put me in prison on trumped up charges or put my business out of business? It all starts with listening on my calls and reading my emails.

Should I assume that the same Obama Administration that labeled Ron Paul supporters as “terrorists” and suggested law enforcement pay them special attention, won’t target Rand Paul supporters for destruction by listening to calls, reading their emails or auditing their tax returns?

Should we assume the government won’t listen in on the privileged conversations of lawyers and American Civil Liberties Union executives to gain an edge in high-profile trials?

Do you honestly believe that if government wants to silence your criticism and dissent, it will wait for a warrant to listen to your calls? Based on what we’ve seen with the IRS scandal and on what the NSA just admitted (that it can listen in anytime it wants), I’d expect our government to target conservatives’ conversations and emails and then, only after finding something they label as “questionable,” ask a judge for a warrant.

What next? Looking through our garbage, tearing open our envelopes at the post office, planting video surveillance or recording devices inside planters placed at our homes and offices — something the IRS was publicly putting out bids for only days ago, until public pressure shut it down.

Based on the IRS scandal, the Justice Department scandal, the Benghazi cover-up, the Sebilius extortion scandal and the nonstop lies (often under oath) of government employees and even our President, why would anyone trust government to do the right thing? If you’re smart, you should assume it will almost always do the wrong thing.

Trust government? Trust the IRS? Trust the NSA? Trust Obama?

You’re kidding, right?

I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. See you next week. Same time, same place. God bless America… because we’re losing it minute by minute.

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  • 5alive5

    Got news for you wayne, I don’t trust them as far as I could throw them and with my fused back it wouldn’t be far!! I have a feeling they will screw you just as much as they CAN!

    • FreedomFighter

      I don’t know if this is true or not, but it just may be:

      Some men carry and handle their diplomacy better than others……..

      When former U.S. Military commander in Afghanistan, Stanley McChrystal, was called into the Oval Office by Barack Obama, he knew things weren’t going to go well when the President accused him of not supporting him in his political role as President.

      “It’s not my job to support you as a politician, Mr. President, it’s my
      job to support you as Commander-in-Chief,” McChrystal replied, and he handed Obama his resignation.

      Not satisfied with accepting McChrystal’s resignation the President made a cheap parting shot. “I bet when I die you’ll be happy to pee on my grave.”

      The General saluted. “Mr. President, I always told myself after leaving
      the Army I’d never stand in line again.”


      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • Don 2

        Some things are worth standing in line for.

        • Rick

          Yeah, they will have to have 24 hour security around his grave, or it will be one big puddle of yellow.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Will you be watching the security to make sure that they also will not become the peeing when they believe no one is looking?

  • Motov

    I trust government in the sense that they will tell us what we want to hear, then do what we absolutely do NOT want. I trust they will rip us off at every opportunity they can, then lie about any involvement.

    I also believe their next term they serve should be in a maximum security prison,… preferably in the same cell with “Bubbah” . So “Bubbah” can show these clowns how it feels to be a tax payer!

  • village idiot

    All governments are the same.They become politicians by way of false promises which they are fully aware of, are simply unrealistic utterings and which the citizens are gullible enough to believe. Those who reach the top are idolized, immortalized and considered almost messianic. Naturally when these ‘Gods’ are found out to very different to the citizens conception of them, the citizens are mortified,feel desperately let down, schocked and stunned. The leaders are fully aware of this and continue to fool the citizens ad infinitum with rhetoric that not even they understand and are confident that the citizens will consider that rhetoric so compelling and beyond them that they must accept and follow the plan anyway. Who are the citizens to question these superior beings? Shame on the citizens for being so gullible, ill informed and clearly stupid to fall for the injustices that governments bombard them with on a daily basis. The time is fast approaching when these incredibly clever governments will be discovered for what they are and then demanded respect, false rhetoric, deceit and lies will no longer be accepted by the citizenry. Interesting times lie ahead, so stay cool and do not believe everything you hear.

  • FreedomFighter

    Trust government? Trust the IRS? Trust the NSA? Trust Obama?

    You’re kidding, right?

    The facts are numerous and corruption has been established beyond reasonable doubt, our own elected government by command of politicians and bureaucrats is working against the best interests of the people they swore to serve, the big question is: WHY?
    At the bottom of the pyramid are the petty money grubbers looking for easy money, the cooks, petty sociopaths, those wanting to preserve a government pension or keep their government jobs. Then you work your way up thru the many layers of useful idiots, democrat vote grubbers, ideologues, socialist, communist, fascists that have embedded themselves into government like an Alabama tick, sucking the freedom and liberty out of the country thru bogus unconstitutional laws and regulation. On top of this we have congress and the president — all but a scant few, traitors to the oaths they took when coming into office… so who is telling them what to do at this our highest levels of government?
    I say this: Who has the money and power to control presidents and government from the highest levels? They can be easily named, but nobody does — start with a Bilderberg meeting attendee list and work you way thru the most powerful people in the world – and you will have made a good start..
    What’s the goal of these powerful men and women?
    World domination and rule of course, I don’t really care, except the model they have chosen involves killing billions and enslaving the rest
    Laus DeoSemper FI

  • Warrior

    And we have this guy who takes a trip to g8 summit, goes over to Ireland to give a speech about why “Catholic Education” is part of our problem. When I saw this, I immediately checked my clock to make sure the hands were still turning ‘clockwise”. Good Grief, who and what is this guy representing? Ok, sex with interns is one thing, but this from a “supposed” president? This dude is just full of hate and rage.
    Dark Ages? Yep, I think we’re entering another period.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      George Orwell said it best in 1984:

      It was a bright, cold day in April and the clocks were striking thirteen.

      Orwell was right, of course, he was just off by a few years.

    • Karolyn

      He did not say that Cathollc education was part of “our” problem. I don’t agree with what he said, but he was addressing the Catholic/Protestant divide in Ireand.

      • Don 2

        Read between the lines. Google the Hussain Obama administration’s attacks on Christianity in the military, and his attacks on religious freedom in America, other than Islam, of course.

    • WTS/JAY

      Warrior: Dark Ages? Yep, I think we’re entering another period.

      And you can thank liberal-progressivism for pulling us back to the dark-ages. liberal-progressivism is anti-science, racist, hates humanity, hates freedom, revels in perversion, encourages sloth-full and all manner of criminal-behaviour, and is anti-American! Complete and total eradication of said vermin is the first step before proceeding to set this Country back on it’s feet!

      • Dave

        And you can thank conservatism for pulling us back to the dark-ages. conservatism is anti-science, racist, hates humanity, hates freedom, revels in perversion, encourages sloth-full behaviour and all manner of criminal-behaviour, and is anti-American! Complete and total eradication of said vermin is the first step before proceeding to set this Country back on it’s feet!
        (corrected for accuracy)

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Where do you get that garbage, Dave?
          You are the most bigoted poster here.
          Please explain to the curious readers here where you get your information?
          Just pick a few of your labels and explain how they are demonstrated by Conservatives.

          • Dave

            Show me my bigotry DaveH. Please… anywhere.

            Racist- Look up the last GOP convention, look up your favorite site (Wikepedia) and look what they say about Southern Democrats during segregation… they were conservative.

            Anti-Science-The people who believe in creationism are by far conservative. The conservative states insist on teaching creationism in science class, are the first to cut funding for education. (who is last in education? Conservative states)

            Hates Freedom-The book burners are conservatives, the Patriot Act was put in place in the first place by conservatives.

            Perversion- The Catholic Church is decidedly conservative and well… the history with young boys and then covering it all up… You know the rest don’t you?
            You make it too easy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Almost every comment you make, Dave, where you make untrue comments about your mistakenly grouped “Conservatives”.


          • Dave

            Untrue… LOL… Ok… Yes, conservatives are just so open minded on race… that is what they are known for. LOL

            You may continue your fibs… DaveH.

          • WTS/JAY

            What are the pillars that progressives have worked so hard to erect in order to infiltrate and control?

            1) University Academia: No institution was more instrumental than the university in shaping the minds and behavior of the young. Students schooled in the writings of radical revolutionaries such as Mao, Lenin, Trotsky — and lesser-known malcontents like Alinsky, Zinn, and Chomsky — spread their noxious fumes throughout the halls of academia. The ‘true believer’ filled his pliant mind with the writings of these disaffected statists. The earlier attempts of scholars in the twenties and thirties to poison the minds of the young were but a pretext for this new assault.The Port Huron Statement in 1962 and the founding of SDS formed the initial assault on the staid halls of higher learning. Academia, unable to contain or even properly challenge this misguided agenda, floundered in its response. Aiding and abetting the radicals was the US Government’s entry to an ill-advised conflict in Southeast Asia. Combine the two and University administrations in several key bastions of higher learning fell to the radical elements. The virus had taken a tenuous hold. It would grow and infect future leaders to prey upon unsuspecting minds, inculcating them with a sense of guilt, radical redress and egalitarian fervor.

            2) Law Schools: Those infected with this radical new virus could now expand their activities to include law schools. What better way to attain a redress of grievances against a racist, sexist, homophobic nation than to change the Constitution? New radical lawyers imbued with this bubonic sickness attacked our nation’s laws at the principal level. Judicial activists unleashed a torrent of bad constitutional law that would make any radical proud. The links that bound us to our founding were now severely strained.

            3)Primary and Secondary Education: The lessons learned in academia could now be spread to the more basic levels of education. Rather than parents teaching their children tolerance and good moral underpinnings, the Hard Left would give no quarter in acceptance of gay lifestyles and gay marriage, wealth redistribution, equality of outcome, and disparagement of conservatism. These became staples in the indoctrination of the very young. The occasional parent outburst has not deterred the righteous from their mission.

            4)Entertainment: The Hard Left could now attack the entertainment industry. The poor, limp, listless minds of this industry were ripe for the picking. What could be more important than compassion for the poor, not getting involved in military conflict, and equality for all who had suffered under the dreaded capitalist state? The film industry offered itself in humble prostration to these noble ideas. Films depicting the evils of capitalism and the inadequacy of the free market spawned a whole new generation of useful idiots to spread the biblical word.

            5)News Media: This last pillar would prove to be one of the most important. With the help of academia and entertainment, however, it was possible to invade the newsroom without much difficulty. Vietnam, once again, provided a ready means to achieve control of what was once considered an inviolable institution and move it inexorably to the Left. One can remember the hallowed omtonations of Walter Cronkite on the uselessness of continued combat in Southeast Asia. What Cronkite deemed lost must surely have been. So ingrained in the American psyche was his preeminence for reporting the facts that those facts must certainly have been correct.


          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You rant about the bigotry and hatred displayed by your broad vague class of “conservatives”, and then you say hateful unwarranted things about everybody in that nebulously defined class. So clearly, you are as bigoted and hateful as any people come.
            What I find strange, Dave, is how such a hypocrite can live with himself.

            I dislike Liberal Progressives very much, being the thieves and hypocrites that they are, but I sure will not be caught acting like them.
            I have no doubt that your irrational hatred is going to be your undoing, Dave.
            Seek Help.

          • WTS/JAY

            The similarities between liberal-progressivism and fascism…

            What is fascism?

            The best example I could find that adequately explains fascism to my satisfaction is as follows;

            Fascism is a system of centralized government marked by dictatorial style authority, stringent socioeconomic controls regimenting industry and commerce. Forcible suppression of opposition and criticism using motivated methods, scare tactics, censorship and terror as well as emphasizing an aggressive nationalist ideology and oppression of specific social groups often involving racism.

            Fascism is neither communism nor National Socialism but each ideology is similar in nature and all were in various stages of development around 1920’s.

            Many people have referred to fascism as a movement of the political right; however fascism is an offshoot from the socialist wave that washed over Europe after the turn of the last century. Mussolini, the so called founder of fascism was the son of an anti-clerical socialist blacksmith who had shared the views of his father before becoming a member of the socialist party himself. Before WW1 while writing for a newspaper called Avanti!, he had taken the position that Italy should join the war on the side of the allies and was promptly expelled from the socialist party who supported just the opposite.

            It might interest one to know that the term “right-wing” was a phrase used by Stalin who ordered all ideologies that were not communist, were to be shunned and labeled as “right-wing”. When you consider communism is arguably “far-left” when compared to all other political philosophies, it would naturally have labeled them all as fascist.

            More specifically, in this country the relatively new modern liberalist thinkers aligned with the philosophies of Moscow in the 1920′s and 30′s were called “socialists or progressives”, while liberals opposed to Moscow were being called fascists.

            The latter found themselves in positions to help construct Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal policies and admittedly praised Italy under the Duce whose programs were viewed by some as having great vision and hope. It was those close to FDR that made up an assembled team of “progressive-advisors” and cabinet members who all had varying degrees of infatuation and admiration both with Joseph Stalin and Benito Mussolini and the forms of government both totalitarian rulers were managing.

            Rexford Guy Tugwell, a member of FDR’s “Brain trust” said of Italian fascism “It is the cleanest neatest most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I’ve ever seen.” George Soule an enthusiast and supporter of FDR’S administration said “we are trying out the economics of fascism without having suffered all the social and political ravages.”

            It may be difficult to comprehend today but dictator was not a dirty word in the 30′s when Walter Lippmann proposed that Roosevelt should be the first United States dictator despite the fact that US and Italian relations in some respects had begun to cool.

            Now some will be offended by comparing blood thirsty dictators to that of FDR’s cabinet, however, most of us know that various ideologies have things in common to some extent and in many respects all have something in common. As I stated earlier, fascism is neither National Socialism nor communism but it is what separates them that define them as a separate polity. To suggest fascists weren’t Nazi’s is the same as the comparison that coconuts aren’t bananas. The similarities are by far more similar than say coconuts and tomatoes which might represent the similarities between fascists and progressives. I would guess emulating another societies’ successes is naturally in the interests of the population when addressing every day social problems and certainly not the first time its been done. The point to all of this, is that even today modern liberalism and progressivism have inherently socialist tendencies.

            Some will note that modern liberalism occurred in the late 19th century and thus came before fascism, National Socialism and communism. But that implies that modern liberalism was immune to influence.

            I would point out that after the transition that gave rise to modern liberalism, there was a desire to separate itself from the Republican party. What way would have been more inventive than to assimilate the apparent victorious, foreign-programs?


          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You have no idea what a Conservative is, Dave. So how can we possibly make any sense out of your rambling hate-filled diatribes?
            The people you describe, like you Dave, want to use Big Government to Force their way on other unwilling people. They are not Conservatives — a True Conservative embraces the Constitution and the concepts of Freedom that miraculously manifested in a large portion of our Founders a few hundred years ago. Other than having different goals, the people you describe as “conservative” are fundamentally like yourself, Dave. No wonder you hate them so.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Dave says — “Complete and total eradication of said vermin is the first step before proceeding to set this Country back on it’s feet!”.
          And that, Folks, is a guy who describes himself as a Liberal Progressive.

          Methinks that Dave is finally revealing himself.
          Sig Heil, Dave.

        • WTS/JAY

          Progressivism infected every major institution in American life. Like an oversized octopus nothing was immune from the suction of its tentacles. It infected religion, public school, government, family life, economics, medicine, law, the environment and even food and drug regulations. The government would serve as the conduit of this new deal with American idealism and progressivism was well on its way. Everyone fell for this new way of thinking that would make America a more civilized and intellectual society. Fast forward to 2009 and as one takes time to assess the condition of our country, our regard for faith, our state of being, our moral compass, the state of the family, our education systems, our economy and the impact of progressivism, it does not appear that we as a nation have done much progressing. In fact, in my view America has gone backwards in the worst way.

          Progressivism had at its core the vision of an America free from God and His principles. Even worst is the tendency to separate man from His creator, as if mankind created itself. Each decade since the 1960’s has brought forth both restrictions of religious freedoms and a rejection of core Biblical principles by the hands of liberal progressives. The striking down of prayer in school, the legalization of abortion, the sexual freedom movement, woman’s liberation and gay rights agenda’s are all tenants of the liberal progressive movement.

          The framers of our nation envisioned a very different America; one that would progress by the good hand of her Creator. One in which its citizens respected each individual because they were divinely created with certain inalienable right. One in which each person would assess his or her moral attitude to promote a more perfect union. The progressives saw this dependence on God and religion as creating a backwards way of living for the citizens of America. After dismantling the religious nature of our country the progressives turned to destroying the family structure and then finally indoctrination through the various school systems.

          According to Divorce Magazine,, the divorce rate in the US has increase steadily in the last 4 decades, subsiding only in 2005. This can be traced back to the liberal ideologies of feminism and their attitudes towards a women’s role in the family and the workplace.

          Since the legalization of abortions in America over 43 million children has lost their lives.(

          Before the 1966’s there were no cases of school shootings by youth in the United States. (

          Before June of 1981, there were no reports of aids in the United States, (, since that time there has been over 700,000 cases of AIDS reported in the US of which, over 400,000 have died. The first five cases were those of homosexual men.

          Liberals like to equate conservative principles with backwardness. But these statistics show that America has certainly gone backwards in embracing the liberal policies of the left.

          Is it progressive to transition from being a country that once held to high moral standards and reverence to God to one where God is no longer welcome?

          It is progressive to go from a country of freedom to one that is ruled by the iron first of its dictator? I would think that progression involves a constant path in becoming better and not worst. The nationalization of our American institutions and the fall of the free market as we have known it do not portray a nation of progress. Socialism is the most backward process for a any nation that once thrived on free market capitalism.

  • leroy

    To Joyce Bradford……Appears as if you are fascinated with the biggest liars, to say nothing of being extremely gullible and naïve.

  • Rick

    I hate what this creep barrack Hussein obama, and his creepy cronies are doing to our country. I cant believe that 48% of the people still think he is honest and trustworthy. How blind can they be? I don’t understand how he fools the people so easily. I think that he could come right out, and tell his goofy supporters of his plan to bring America down from within, and they would cheer him on, as long as he flashed them that great big fake toothy smile when he told them about it.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      He’s just the tip of the iceberg, Rick. Politicians have been lying to their constituents to feather their own nests since the dawn of Government.

      As Clifford says — “To say governments were formed to protect the rights of men would be historically incorrect. Almost all governments were formed by ruthless men exerting their will over others through the use of force”.

    • Arkham

      It’s not just the POTUS, almost ALL politicians have slipped into corruption. Do you really believe that those on the right, bought by corporations, are any less slimy?

      We need to impose term limits on congress so they can’t make it a life-long career resulting the corruption we see today.

    • perry

      Say rick it is as I have said many times that americans are so doped up on anti-depression pills that they don’t care about any thing but their own lives. as long as obama keeps the free money they like him and let him do what he wishes .As for me he should be deported .

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Blame must also be placed on the media for covering up, excusing, justifying and, especially, for NOT reporting these scandals.

    Can you imagine if this were a republican administration? We’d be bombarded 24/7 coast to coast with non-stop coverage.

    • jim b

      The Socialist and Communist ties are strong amongst government and the fourth estate. The few pathways to the fifth estates is under constant bumbardment as they are a threat to the growth and corruption of government.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        This is why there is such an effort to censor, control, if not shut down our last hope of a free press — the Internet.

        Old Joe “Plugs” Biden longingly asked:

        “China can shut down the Internet, why can’t we?”

        It is the Internet that has set us free from the government-controlled press.

        It is exactly as Englishman (now American) writer Peter Brimelow stated:

        “The Internet is as important a development as the written word.”

    • Dave

      Could you imagine if 9/11 happened on a Democrat’s watch? We would be in hearings today over it and all so the GOP can win more elections. Because they certainly can’t win on policy.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        You mean like the Watergate hearings or Iran-Contra?
        Which hearings were those held on the Democrat’s watch?

        I’m with George Wallace:

        “There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties.”

        • Dave

          Corp media likes blood… no matters who’s it is. We wasted 6 years and 100M in taxpayer money on Whitewater which yielded Bubba lying about sex…

          Golf clap….
          The Democrats did not use 9/11 like the GOP are using Benghazi. You can’t even compare the two as far as partisan witchhunts go. Iran-Contra was the most serious crime committed by a president since Watergate. Reagan lied to use and negotiate with terrorists to fund an illegal war to replace old thugs with new thugs. Watergate was just an undermining of our whole political system… no big deal eh?

          • Dr. Möbias

            Not true. The democrats and their media lap dogs give pass after pass after pass to the likes of Holder and Obama.

            How exactly is the GOP using Benghazi? Fast and furious is dead with Holder still in office.

            But Benghazi and Fast and Furious were no big deal, right? Just a few dead bodies here and there swept under the rug…nothing to see here.

            Now get yourself over to Syria, your democrat government needs you to be cannon fodder for their new war.

            You may have the last word. I won’t read or respond to anything else you post. I have to go back to work to support ObamaCare and the new war in Syria.

          • Arkham

            You forget who started the Mid East wars in the first place – on lies about wmd.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Why don’t you make it easy on your brain and read the history of the tribal wars in the Middle East and don’t include Israel in the equation. History will proclaim that you are a liar.

          • Wellarmed

            Was it a lie? If the US removed numerous PIT’s out of Iraq would that change your mind regarding the claim of WMDs.

            For me it would not. We did not belong in Iraq or the Middle East then or now. The US policy of telling foreign countries what weapons they can and cannot have is beyond stupid when the world see’s us killing over 140 people (innocent) at a public market to kill one high value target.

            Thanks to the actions of PFC Manning we now know of that incident and many more like them.

            Mr. Root has every reason to be concerned about this current level of spying on the American People. He would be a fool if he did not believe that our government would not use these new “tools” against him and others that hold similar positions. They were not put into place with the intention of never being used.

            We all see these events unfolding rapidly at this point and if Mr. Snowden is executed by members of our own government; just understand that you and I will ultimately be witnessing our own fates if we let these actions stand.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Your second paragraph is off kilter, you don’t want US to meddle in the Middle East but where were you when archeologists and their protectorates were trotting across the Middle East dredging up the rocks and rubbish and “relics” of the ME and Middle East was making a living aiding and abetting and conning the gullible archeologists and tourist trade.

          • JeffH

            Nadzieja, with all due respect…your comment to Wellarmed smells of liberalism.
            Where were you?

          • Nadzieja Batki

            No to first sentence, because I look at the beginning of an action as far back as I can and then extrapolate what possible future scenarios can come about. We westerners have come and gone in the ME for hundreds of years and we pandered to one tribe and opposed another. We raised one up and brought down another. Unless we have the info Bush had for invading Iraq all we are doing is guessing, we don’t know what our soldiers brought back for research.

          • Wellarmed

            As far as what occurred with the (US) archeologists in the Middle East are concerned; it all happened before my time Dave. I viewed it as theft then and still view it as theft when it occurs now.

            It is no different than what has happened here in the US in relation to our Native Tribes. I had a good friend who fought in Iraq that was tasked with returning stolen antiquities to the museums in Baghdad. It was just another long list of failures in our intervention there to not provide adequate security to the museums. My friend never mentioned the number of US solders that were killed attempting to return these antiquities.

            America has no business being in the Middle East Dave. Not then and surely not now.

          • JeffH

            Lies or no lies, that is the question.
            Wikileaks proves WMD found in Iraq – Oct. 2010
            Wikileaks’ new release from purloined files of the Department of Defense may help remind people that, contrary to popular opinion and media memes, the US did find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and in significant quantities. While the invasion of Iraq didn’t find huge stockpiles of new WMDs, it did uncover stockpiles that the UN had demanded destroyed as a condition of the 1991 truce that Saddam Hussein abrogated for twelve years.
            US did find Iraq WMD – There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.

            Wikileaks released documents:
            The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein’s chemical weapons arsenal — most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

            In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.

            Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.

          • Wellarmed

            Agreed JeffH. Of course the US knew Saddam had WMDs and that he was crazy enough to use them (he killed over 10,000 of his own people most of whom were Kerds) and I know for a fact that the US supplied those WMDs to Saddam sometime during his war with Iran.

            American leaders seem to like the idea of arming our enemies with whatever hardware they can throw at them, to achieve their goals (disrupting any attempt at peace in the middle east?) while at the same time doing their very best to make private ownership of firearms in the US a criminal act.

            People, please keep doing what you are doing (voting D or R) as it is working so well for the nation. It fits the definition of insanity to a T.

            It is long overdue to start taking a hard look at what voting L may do in this next election cycle, as what we are doing will only continue to bring more of the same.

          • jenelle

            Yes, the Republican administrations are just as evil as the Democrat ones.

          • Michael Shreve

            While I KNOW ignorance is BLISS, for YOUR information:

            WMDs found in Iraq 2005 G2 Bulletin
            Publishing date: 03.11.2005 18:36

            While the Democrats in the U.S. Senate forced the upper house to close to the public for the purpose
            of investigating whether President Bush deceived the nation about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, a new book attempts to remind the world that WMDs
            were indeed found after the invasion. In fact, lots of them were found.

            In his book, “Disinformation: 22 Media Myths That Undermine the War on Terror,” investigative reporter Richard Miniter reports once again on some major nuclear and chemical warheads discovered by coalition forces. They include:

            * 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

            * 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons agents

            * 17 chemical warheads containing cyclosarin (a nerve agent five times more deadly than sarin gas)

            * Over 1,000 radioactive materials in powdered form meant for dispersal over populated areas

            * Roadside bombs loaded with mustard and “conventional” sarin gas, assembled in binary chemical projectiles for maximum potency

          • Dave

            Of course you are making an assumption that the WMD premise is a good reason to have a 3T war, costing hundreds of thousands of lives all so Iran can have more power and China gets all the oil contracts.
            Oh and gas sho rocket during the Bush disaster too…

          • vicki

            You mean the not existent WMD’s found in Syria?

          • JeffH

            And they’re off, Obama leading at the turn by a turkey neck, Obama leading from behind, Valerie pressuring Obama as they’re coming down the stretch and it’s…Oh my, here comes Toilet Paper wiping up the rear…able to stick his nose in the middle of it from 6 furlongs back…

          • Dave

            “Audiences are always better pleased with a smart retort, some joke or epigram, than with any amount of reasoning.” – Charlotte Perkins Gilman
            Thanks for that Jeffery… You dumb post make’s Gilman’s words so much more true.

          • JeffH

            POLLY the repeating parrot Dave47D, What, no sense of humor?

          • Dave

            Oh, I know you are a joke and I laugh all the time at you.
            I find it funny that you accept economic theory as fact in the face of reality
            I find it funny that you need a gun to feel safe or that somehow your freedom is in jepardy if you have to go through more hoops to get a firearm..
            I lastly find it funny to watch you and other conservatives try so very hard to put your black and white views of the world into reality and then you get mad when the greyness of the world upsets your apple cart.
            You do provide great humor to me Jeffrey, just not as you intended however.

          • JeffH

            Dave47D, I’ll tell you what I find funny…that eddie left and you stepped in missing nary a beat…letting your imagination run rampant around your skull and letting your emotions run your chops.
            Such a worldly progressive you be, albeit an ignorant progressive.

            Guns? You want humor? You want a laugh? Let me help you then.

          • Dave

            I know Jeffrey, can’t have anyone question your all-knowing conservative babel can we?

            The imagination is you and your cohorts blathering on about all the Obama boogeymen out there. If I didn’t know what damage the GOP would do if they get into the WH again, I wiould be laughing my arse off as you conservative apologists make excuses for the crap that a conservative president will be responsible for creating.

            Reagan was a great Conservative, even though he gave illegals amnesty, grew the size of the Fed Gov, cut and ran after over 200 Marines were blown up in Lebanon and Iran-Contra as well as tripled the national debt.

            Bush Jr used to be a conservative before he achieved power and then became a neoCon or as DaveH pathetically says, a “Progressive”. I am still laughing at that lameness.

            Excuses and more excuses… that is all the right/conservatives/GOP are good for. I wish that idiot Rick Perry would seceed for the United States like he threatened and take the conservatives who care more about power than our society with him. It would be funny to watch that moron try and raise taxes or as conservative numbskulls call it (theft from people) to pay for services.

            Conservatives have such a grasp on logic and never emotions… That leads the debate in thier so-called minds when it comes to same sex marriage, the Patriot Act, censorship, gun safety etc… I get it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What’s lame, Dave, is that no matter how much we expose your ignorance you keep coming back for more beatings.

          • JeffH

            Then there is the illogical Dave47D, on one hand, believes that he knows something, all the while not knowing anything.

            It takes a lot more integrity, character, and courage to be a conservative than it does to be a liberal/progressive. That’s because at its most basic level, liberalism/progressivim is nothing more than childlike emotionalism applied to adult issues.

            Now, that’s not to say that conservatives never make emotion based arguments or that emotion based arguments are always wrong. But, when you try to deal with complex, real world issues, using little more than simplistic emotionalism that’s primarily designed to make the people advocating it feel good rather than to deal with problems, it can, and often has had disastrous consequences. Liberal/progressives never seem to learn from this.

            In Thomas Sowell’s immortal words, conservatives believe that, “There are no solutions; there are only trade-offs.” Because of this, conservatives regularly do something that liberals seldom do: they consider the long-term consequences of their policies.

            That’s what liberalism/progressivim versus conservatism all comes down to: sappy, feel good emotionalism that sounds appealing, but doesn’t work versus doing things the right way, even when it’s not easy.

          • Dave

            integrity, character, and courage??? to be a conservative? HAAAAAAA!!!
            Your side led the fight to keep slavery in this country, to keep segregation, to keep women out of the voting booth. Today, it is conservatives that fight to keep homosexuals from engaging in a legal contract called marriage.
            Courage indeed, more like extreme ignorance of what conseravtives don’t understand which is many things.

          • JeffH

            Gettin’ a bit cranky ehh POLLY47D? Chew on some more bird seed, it’s good for what ails ya and it’ll keep a nice sheen on your feathers.

          • Dave

            Nope just pointing out the conservatives courageous history there Jeffery…. How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history so many times on social issues as a conservative Jeffrey? How much integrity does it take to want to keep people in chains? Or from voting? Does lynching blacks give you character in your mind Jeffrey? Maybe you need to go to the range and fire off a few rounds so you can think.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You don’t know what a Conservative is, Dave. All you know is what the talking-heads say a Conservative is. The same goes for Progressives. You need to expand your horizons and get educated, Dave. Quit getting your Political knowledge from the View and Bill Maher.
            It reminds me how you clueless Libs keep blaming our problems on Capitalism when in fact we’ve had mostly Socialism for the last 100 years.
            Already, as Bob has noted, your reading comprehension sucks. So why would you be so resistant to learning some reality about the various labels that have been bastardized by the Progressive Misinformers?

          • Dave

            Alright DaveH… tell me all the wonderful things Conservatives have done in the name of civil rights and women’s rights.

            As I said before, your lies about Progressives have no affect on me.
            Your ignorance about socialism is on display as well. Well done… Yes, most of industry is Gov owned right DaveH? Ok… Can’t fix stupid I guess… But you tested in the 90th percentile on something… but it isn’t reality, common sense or economics.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You expect me to get into your very warped head to figure out who you believe Conservatives are, Dave?
            Actually, every time that Government gets involved, it sets people backward racially, not forward. But you would have to have a brain to figure that out.
            When Government gives special privileges to certain racial groups (and make no mistake, it is purely to buy their votes) it creates resentment among the other classes which results in more bigotry, more tension, and more hatred — NOT less. That’s why after all these years we still have such nonsense.
            People have to earn respect naturally, and they would have long before now if self-interested Politicians and their ignorant Followers (like yourself, Dave) had butted out.
            I personally feel very warm towards Freedom-loving Black people such as Star Parker:
            And Thomas Sowell:

          • Dave

            See DaveH, you can’t come up with ONE thing your illustrious conservatives have done for the civil rights movement and women’s rights.

            You continue to show extreme ignorance in the face of reality and history. Is it deliberate?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thank you, Dave, for further illustrating your despicable ignorance.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Seriously, Dave, you should seek help. I think you have popped one too many acid tabs.

          • Dave

            Are you drunk? is that why you make less sense than usual?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t believe I have ever known a person more bigoted and nasty than you are, Dave.
            Seriously — Seek Help.

          • Dave

            2nd request,

            Prove my bigotry with anything I have said… or…. are you projecting your own conservative bigotry onto others as other conservatives do. You know the definition of bigotry as you do “progressive”

            Absolutely clueless… Both you and JeffH

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m still waiting for you to explain to the readers what in your limited intellect constitutes a Conservative, Dave?

            And then you might explain to us how you Liberal Progressives have cured the race problems, Dave.
            After all the money (other peoples’ money) that you have spent, Dave, why do we still have problems?

            And please, Dave, try to make sense, so that maybe you can get some thumbs up.

          • Dave

            Can’t answer so DaveH tries to switch the conversation… Good conservative… Good conservative… Now sit and roll over. Just like the good follower you are.

          • JeffH

            Gee Dave47D, I don’t even entertain those kinds of lies. Why should I, after all, I’ve got you to carry the immoral guilt for mankind…you being a global kinda guy and all.

            That is why you make up those kind of lies isn’t it? Because deep inside you feel the guilt of your immorality, right? Thought so!

            “Maybe you need to go to the range and fire off a few rounds so you can think”

            Funny, I’ll be going to the skeet range on Saturday morning and the only thinking I’ll be doing is what’s for lunch. The shooting part is second nature, like walking and talking…it’s the easy part.

          • Dave

            Lies? Ok Jeffery… I will give you to answer the question DaveH can’t.

            Tell me what wonderful things Conservatives have done for the civil rights movement and women’s rights.

            Can you answer? Or are you going to be like DaveH and deflect, try to change the subject or simply not answer because you and your boyfriend DaveH have nothing?

          • JeffH

            The only one deflecting is the ignorant progressive Dave47D with his inane and ignorant questions.

            So you tell me, Dave47D, about the wonderful things the racist progressive Democrats and their racist associates, the KKK, did for civil rights?

            Conservatives count the advances in racial tolerance over the last half century as one of America’s proudest accomplishments.

            Most educated Americans vaguely remember that the amendment granting women the right to vote was passed by Congress in 1919 and ratified by the states in 1920. But the number of people who know anything about the forty-year legislative war that preceded that victory is smaller than the audience of MSNBC. That war began in 1878, when a California Republican named A.A. Sargent introduced the 19th Amendment only to see it voted down by a progressive Democrat-controlled Congress. It finally ended four decades later, when the Republicans won landslide victories in the House and the Senate, giving them the power to pass the amendment despite continued opposition from most elected progressive Democrats — including the ultr-progressive President Woodrow Wilson, to whom the suffragettes frequently referred as “Kaiser Wilson.”

            The progressive Democrats did their level best to prevent the amendment from being ratified: “When the Amendment was submitted to the states, 26 of the 36 states that ratified it had Republican legislatures. Of the nine states that voted against ratification, eight were Democratic.” Many of these progressive Democrat-controlled states refused to ratify the amendment until the 1970s

          • Dave

            Caught you Jeffrey… Your good friend DaveH uses Wikepedia to illustrate who Progressives are and the site talks about your moronic assertion about Democrats during the era of segregation. They were conservative. Read it yourself. You make yourself look dumber with each post and I did not think it was possible.

          • JeffH

            Caught me? Au contraire self proclaimed and ignorant progressive Dave47D.

            Wikipedia? That’s a joke!

            If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. – George Orwell

            Not one word was gleaned from Wikipedia ya ignoramous!

            The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
            – Winston Churchill

          • Dave

            Good, you realize your boyfriend DaveH is a joke because he uses wikepedia all the time. You are obtuse enough to believe Southern Democrats during segregation were progressive or the KKK are progressive when progressives stand for moving forward and social justice for all while those two groups want to take us back to the days of slavery? Talk a out zero credibility and ignorance. You must have a guilty conscience to actually believe that nonsense. That’s JeffH for you… Supremely ignorant.

          • JeffH

            Dave47D, you just continue pissing into the wind…It’s no wonder your word carries no weight here…”social justice”? It’s no mystery why you have zero credibility.

            Progressives believe individuals are part of a larger social whole, a whole that needs to be formed and molded to their vision of reality and mankind. In order to create this new and improved society, individuals need to be directed and formed toward that end. And for their own respective good, of course.

            The ignoramous actually believes that we want to “take us back to the days of slavery”…therein lies another false premise…and a totally ignorant statement at that.

            Seeing individuals as actual or potential victims of “capitalistic oppression”, progressives like you believe the only way to liberate people is through the force of government. Government, then, should be used in a positive way to proactively liberate people from social and economic oppression in order to secure a higher social progress. Progressive freedom, then, is the freedom to become x, y, and z only made possible through government-directed societal arrangements.

            And there it is, the heart of the matter: Progressivism prefers collective social welfare over its perceived adversary, individual freedom. It is an either or situation: you are free one way or free their way. If individual freedom triumphs progress is not possible. To be “free” in the progressive sense is to be liberated by government forces from unpleasant social circumstances created by your fellow citizens.

            For the Founders, freedom is protected by government. For the Progressives like you, freedom is having your physical welfare secured by government, your physical welfare being a protection from the perceived excesses of others’ individual freedom in the marketplace.

            Changing the definition and understanding freedom changes the fundamental relationship between you and your government. The progressives would deny a citizen is free or could be free existing in a country where the negative understanding of freedom prescribed his relationship with his government. So, too, would a partisan of individual liberty deny that citizens in a progressive socialist state are free. Why? The role of government in each vision is diametrically opposed. People cannot be free, individually free, when their government orders the walk of their daily lives, economically and politically, and becomes the caretaker of their welfare.

            Progressives believe in the idea of freedom from want. Want in its extreme leads to hunger, ill health, deterioration of the family, or worse. To liberate citizen A from want, they require either money directly redistributed to them or given employment to offset the cause of their misery, want. Given this understanding of the right to be free from want, government has every justification to reach into the pocketbook of citizen B, confiscate their property, and redistribute that property to citizen A. Citizen A is liberated, however temporarily, from want at the cost citizen B’s right of property.

            Citizen B’s right of freedom has been damaged as he has that much less of the fruits of his labor to provide for his own welfare. In this case, the government has laid claim to a right to the property of B in the name of securing the right of progressive freedom from want for A.

            Changing the definition of freedom changes and convolutes our understanding of rights. In a free society your rights require nothing from other citizens, require no intrusion into the freedom and property of others.

            You have a right to free speech, for example. It does my freedom and property no damage for you to exercise your right to free speech. You have a right to the free exercise of religion. Jefferson noted that, “It neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket” if you worship one God or a hundred gods. You and others may assemble freely to protest the government for any grievance, real or perceived, and it costs nothing of other’s property for you to do so. Your Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness takes nothing from my Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.

            Remember, still today in this country, even the most strident socialist agenda has to be cloaked in verbiage not offensive to freedom. It has to be marketed and sold, dressed up in enough freedom-friendly language for the American public to either buy it or to be made unafraid. Socialism is still a toxic word with the public, freedom euphonic to our ears. This is why American’s refusal to believe anything done by this or any past administration is socialist could be a good thing.

            In order for Americans to accept socialism, socialists have to dress it up in freedom’s cloak. This gives us hope and an opportunity. No one, seeking to push any agenda onto the public, disparages freedom or the Constitution; they have to give freedom some kind of lip service. They are playing on freedom’s home field, not the other way around.

            Partisans of freedom need not play word games like progressives. We simply need to educate ourselves and those around us, to let the lessons of liberty guide and instruct us. If enough people appreciate this fundamental understanding of freedom and the Constitution, no politician, elitist, media talking head or progressive minded usefull idiot can sell us socialism.

          • Dave

            Nice Cut and paste job there Jeffrey.

            Why don’t you actually go to progressive websites intstead of the lies conservatives trybout progressives?

            Nah… That would take an opening of Jeffrey’s closed little mind.

            Do you and DaveH do sleepovers and read Mises to each other before bed?

            You and DaveH can lie, cut and paste from conservative sites all you wish. Progressives stand for moving society forward pushing for everyone having an equal chance to succeed in our society and not limited by sex, religion, age, money, sexual orientation. That is what is meant by “social justice”. Most of the movement comes from societal change through education. But in the case of the civil rights, laws had to be passed. Otherwise your conservatives of that day would have continued on with blacks being 2nd class citizens.

          • JeffH

            Dave47D says “Why don’t you actually go to progressive websites intstead of the lies conservatives trybout progressives?”

            trybout? Are you really that upset that you’re having trouble focusing?

            Conservatives and Libertarians don’t have to lie…that’s the job of the Neo-cons, right wingers, liberals and the progressives.

            I do go to progressive/liberal websites quite a bit but I don’t garner any info from progressive/liberal websites because I’m not into their mis-representaion, outright lies and “revisionist” history…and that’s what they do.
            Watching MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS do the same. FOX too, but to a lesser degree because of Napolitano, Stossal and Dobbs. Glenn Beck/The Blaze is by far and away the most honest and accurate source of history and news.

            I can’t help but LMAO over and over and over at just how bent you get over logic, truth and facts.

            Who do you think you’re fooling besides yourself?
            No one!

            Ron White was correct when he said “you can’t fix stupid because stupid is forever”.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Please help, Dave. Who’s rooting for the GOP here?

          • JeffH

            Dave47D, you really need to work on your spelling while you’re babbling.

          • Dave

            Can’t deal with the pathetic record of conservatives so you resort to being a spelling Nazi. The last resort of a loser… Off to the gun range so you can think properly.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Nice. I’m jealous.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, I built that AR15 myself in 2009 and then I traded it last August for a nice Italian made SigArms/B. Rizzini 20ga. over under shotgun which is my weekend skeet gun.

            I am building a new California compliant AR15 now…I’m just waiting on the complete M4 flat top 20″ match grade fluted super bull barrel upper unit to be shipped from the supplier. It’ll have everything I didn’t have on this one when I built it.
            Both the lower reciever and the upper unit are matching anodized matte sand. Should be a very nice rifle when I’m finished.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Another Dave Dumbism — “I find it funny that you accept economic theory as fact in the face of reality”.

            You mean like the economic “reality” of 4 years of over 7% unemployment?
            Or the economic “reality” of $16.8 Trillion in National Debt? For the ignorant friends of Dave, that’s $53,000 for every man, woman, and child in this country. Or to put it another way, that’s $165,000 for every average family in the US.

          • JeffH


          • Dave

            D’oh another JeffH/DaveH circlej*rk… Typical and sad at the same time

          • JeffH

            Time to clean your cage and freshen yer water aye POLLY47D…that oughta pick up your spirits a bit,

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “I find it funny that you need a gun to feel safe or that somehow your freedom is in jepardy if you have to go through more hoops to get a firearm”.
            I find it funny, Dave, that the Government of your choice must use guns to force people to do things your way in your idea of an ideal society.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I find it funny, Dave, that you continue to post your nonsense here, even though your typical score is thumbs down.
            But thanks, Dave, because it’s always nice for us to have help to awaken the Propagandized masses to what Liberal Progressives are really like.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Best you hold up a mirror, Dave.
            You rarely have any thing of value to say, and certainly very little that could be classified as “reasoning”.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          As Bon said — “There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the two parties”.

          We will continue on the Road to Serfdom until people learn that reality. Leaders are naturally inclined to serve themselves first and then (if there’s anything left) serve the people. There is very little that Government can do for people that they can’t do for themselves less expensively (much less) and more expeditiously.

          One thing the people can’t do for themselves (at least legally) that Government can do for them is to give them other peoples’ money and other peoples’ property. Do we need that?

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            Thread winner, DaveH. I too am a believer in Austrian over Keynesian economics, free markets and limited government.
            Dave believes that government knows best how to centrally plan to run the economy, businesses — and your life better than you do.
            He needs to move to Cuba and live what he preaches, and fast, and quit telling us how great Big Government is.

            Every workers’ paradises had to shoot escapees. Why?

            Communism is totally discredited by the simple fact that it had to shoot escapees.

          • Dave

            You are lying pure and simple. I have never said Gov knows best, that is just your ignoarnt assumption.
            You find me a country with 300M people with a small, limited gov ok? Find me that country. Gov has a definate role to play in things. As does business.
            If you think the USSR, East Germany, Cuba was communism, then you clearly have no idea about what communism is. Those Governments were Authoritarian(and underline Authoritarian) socialist regimes. If you had a clue what you were talking about, you would know this.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Again Dave with his nonsensical — “You find me a country with 300M people with a small, limited gov ok?”.
            As if being in the status quo is an indication of correctness.

          • Dave

            No Mr. 90th percentile… It just means what you advocate is not possible in a world economy with multiple currencies.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Please explain how having multiple currencies precludes Free Markets, Dave.

          • Dave

            I have… please let it sink in to that think cranium of yours.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I didn’t think you could.

          • Dave

            Nope, just illustrating that what you advocate is not possible. I hope you come join us in the real world someday.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The only thing you’re illustrating, Dave, is that you lack knowledge and logic skills.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Please then, Dave, explain to us how you can take everybody’s property away and distribute it without Force?
            What a numbnuts.

          • Dave

            Numbnuts? You are the one fool enough to think you can have an industrialized country with over 300M people and have this “limited” gov that stays out of your life. then you go on to take another gigantic leap of BS with the purpose of this “big” gov is to take away your propery by force. The only numbnuts is you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave, what does the population size have to do with anything?
            China has more than 4 times our population size, yet their GDP is smaller than ours.
            Qatar is twice as wealthy as the United States per capita, yet their population is only 2 million people.

            Yes, Dave, Numbnuts, and you prove it every time you comment.

          • Dave

            So you are saying China doesn’t have an oppressive Gov?
            Please let me know when you pull your head out of JeffH’s hind quarters and start making sense.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did I say that?
            Wow, your ignorance just keeps growing.
            If you can’t win, you just make things up, don’t you Troll?

          • Dave

            Did I say I want Big Gov?

            Wow, your ignorance just keeps growing…

            And.. you lost again. Poor DaveH, you need to just talk with people who agree with your crackpot ideas and falsehood. You just are not equipped to handle someone with an independent mind.

      • Dr. Möbias

        Which media outlet is it that supports the GOP? Which media outlet has reported, except superficially on Benghazi, the IRS scandal, Fast and Furious or any other lie or scandal Wayne mentioned above?

        Is it the New York Times that is hammering the Democrats on these issues? Or maybe the Washington Post, Wall Street Journal or CNN? Which mainstream journalist, a la Bernstein and Woodward, is digging into these important stories with breathless reports to the msm each day to deliver to a waiting public?
        Which members of the GOP are calling for hearings or Holder’s ousters on any of the named scandals? Hell, it if wasn’t for the Internets we wouldn’t know a damned thing about any of them.

        This is the same lame media that that refused to vet Ovomit The Messiah while mercilessly ripping apart Sarah Palin.

        • Dave

          Talk radio, Fox news, NY Post, Washington Times, Washington examiner, Breitbart, Freedomworks, Heritage Foundation, This site, A countless band of right wing blowhards like Coulter, Palin etc…

          Benghazi, there is nothing there

          IRS, the real issue is that liberal and conservative groups being subsidizied by our tax money is wrong but the conservatives are whining because they had NO rejections of tax exempt status, no complaints of harrassment by the IRS and they just had extra scrutiny put on them by a Bush apointee and a OH head of the IRS that is a 21 year conservative republican.
          We should be going after Holder and Obama on the AP story. That one has some valid pieces to it. The rest is scandal for 2014 elections sake. If only the GOP put as much affort to helping the country as they do manufacturing scandals.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Dave the spokesperson/defender of the O administration.

          • Dave

            When the GOP plays politics, I will defend the Administration, when Obama is in the wrong like he was on the AP story, continuing the GOP’s Patriot Act, the further bank bailouts… I take him to task.
            I just don’t have the blind hatred you and Ricky have.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            But your blind hatred of the people you call “a countless band of right wing blowhards like….” should not be taken to task?

          • Dave

            I have no blind hatred. If a politican does something I agree with. I give them credit. For instance… George W Bush was the worst president we have had in 150 years… His overall record confirms this… 9/11,Iraq, Tax cut and spend, horrible response to Katrina… on and on and on.

            BUT he did an awesome job of getting AIDS assistance to countries in Africa.

            I go by actions and actual deeds. I have respect for instance for Ron Paul’s stance on military intervention in places like Iraq that were money making ventures for the oil and defense industries but lies by bush Inc tell us it was WMD’s and other false premises. I also like his stance on personal liberty… but the man is out to lunch on international markets.

            Things are a bit more nuanced than many here portray. The GOP have a record… The Democrats have a record… as does the individuals that make up both parties that have been corrupted by big money interests. thats how I judge…
            How about you?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “but the man [Ron Paul] is out to lunch on international markets”.
            Ron Paul knows economics better than you know how to spread worthless leftist Propaganda, Dave.
            He knows, for instance, that you and your kind prefer Big Government intervention because Free Markets would take away your Special Privileges and you’d actually have to be productive to succeed instead of hiding behind Big Government’s coat tails.

          • Dave

            Once again DaveH lies are regurgitates the standard conservatives talking points even though I have never said or advocated such a thing… Keep grasping at straws boy….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you advocate Free Markets, Dave?

          • Dave

            As much as they can be yes. The marketplace is my stock and trade. But the free market doesn’t exist when you have different forms of Gov, economic systems and currencies. then you have environmental, worker safety, HC rules and regs that the Gov must have their hands in…. What you advocate can work, if everyone on the planet was under one gov and there was one global currency. We do not have that so what you advocate is a pipedream.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If other Governments hobble their citizens with unfree markets, how does that preclude us from having Free Markets, Dave?

            Why must we have environmental, worker safety, healthcare regulations, Dave?

            For those who wish not to remain as ignorant as our useless Liberal Progressive poster Dave:

          • Dave

            To take on DaveH’s first nonsensical point…

            For example:
            China, forbids unions, their Gov manipulates currency to give themselves a favorable trade position. People get paid pennies on the dollar compared to what an American worker needs to provide for his family. That is good for China and the American firm’s executives. Not good for American workers who cannot afford to live of the wages their Chinese counterparts get.

            Now to destroy DaveH’s other ignorance.

            I will use China again. 1) Environmental: if you want to see the results of no environmental regulations on business from a Gov answerable to the people… Go to Beijing or Shanghai and try to breathe that air.

            Now worker safety, look up Union Carbide in India. India had lax worker safety regs which is why Union Carbide put their plant there in the first place… to save a buck.

            The bottom line is that corporations only exist to make money, which is not an evil it itself but in the mad dash to increase the bottom line, companies have now qualms about poisoning the land, putting workers in unsafe conditions etc. It is the height of ignorance to believe that “if only the Gov didn’t interfere, companies will do the right thing”

            The whole reason why corporations were started in the first place is to escape accountability when things go wrong.

          • vicki

            TheOrigionalDaveH writes:

            Do you advocate Free Markets, Dave?

            Dave replies

            As much as they can be yes.

            And then proceeds to demonstrate he does not support them at all

          • Dave

            You clearly have no clue do you Vicki?

          • vicki

            ad hominem

          • Dave

            You gonna cry now Vicki? Sorry…the ad hominems from your boys Jeffrey and DaveH cause me to forget how sensitive you are.

          • vicki

            Argument to ridicule / ad hominem

          • Dave

            JeffH’s stock and trade so I know you can spot it easily. Well done

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave, I think you dropped your binky.

          • Dave

            My response to your question, DaveH was removed. I guess an questioning of DaveH’s theory based info is met with censorship.

          • JeffH

            I never thought anyone’s credibility could dip below Flashy’s. Boy was I wrong!

            Dave 47D’s credibility is so far below Flashy’s that the Chinese are laughing at him too.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave, Dave67, Flashy, Jovianus. It’s amazing how much alike they all are.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why is Ron Paul out to lunch on international markets, Dave?
            Can you just answer that simple question?

          • Dave

            Because, like you… he believes that there is such thing as the free market in the global economy. As if entire globe plays by the same sets of rules. They don’t.
            Your complete ignorance on that prevents you and Ron from seeing it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You contradict yourself, ignoramus. That is exactly the beauty of Free Markets because no two people do think exactly alike. Everybody has different goals, needs, desires, and motivation. No Government body is capable of determining what’s best for such a vast heterogeneous mass of mankind. And most likely the Leaders know that. But as long as the ignorant people they rule don’t know that, they can get away with their shenanigans.

            Even funnier is that Dave said this earlier — “What you advocate can work, if everyone on the planet was under one gov and there was one global currency”.
            Make up your mind, Dave.

            As Jeff says below, Dave, you have no credibility.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Okay, numbnuts, here’s your chance to inform the readers.
            Please tell us what is a “Conservative” in your limited intellect?

          • JeffH

            Liar, liar, pants on fire!

          • Dave

            With such heady debate skills jeffery, its obvious you were captain of the debate team in HS. Congrats.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It’s the GOP’s Patriot Act? Then why didn’t the same Democrats, who rabidly fought to pass the 2010 Healthcare Bill, fight to end the Patriot Act?
            You’re a joke, Dave. It’s no wonder the thumbs down are your usual scores.

          • Dave

            Yes, the GOP’s Patriot Act. When it was passed, they had control of both Houses and the WH.
            The Dems never tried to repeal it because many of them are paid by the same folks that pay conservatives in the GOP. The GOP would have filibustered any attempt to repeal it anyways.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Oh? You have a crystal ball?
            And why is it always a partisan issue with you, Dave?
            I believe you show your ignorance when you make it a partisan issue instead of just debating whether their actions are right or wrong.

          • Dave

            Patriot Act-wrong…
            There, even though I have said it countless times, you need it spelled out. Its spelled out.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I agree. The Patriot Act is wrong. But what does that have to do with the argument?

          • JeffH

            The GOP’s Patriot Act? WRONG!
            Do you mean the bi-partisan Patriot Act?

            Why did Joe Biden claim credit for writing it?
            The Core of the Patriot Act Was Drafted in 1995 … By Joe Biden

            Most everyone knows that the Patriot Act was drafted before 9/11.

            But few know that it was Joe Biden who drafted the core provisions which were included in that bill … in 1995.

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: I just don’t have the blind hatred you and Ricky have.

            That’s because you reserve all of your blind-hatred for his cousin Bush!

          • WTS/JAY

            Actually, Dave is a Bush supporter/cheerleader and doesn’t know it! Obama’s policies are mirror image of the Bush policies; in particular, the un-Patriotic-act! Dave is so confused he doesn’t know who to cheer for, or who to condemn. He just keeps throwing a bunch of it against the wall hoping something will stick. Poor fellow is seriously deluded!

          • JeffH

            Poor fellow indeed…he keeps digging, hoping to get to the bottom of the hole. In time, the Chines will either be amazed or laughing at him but I doubt he’ll ever find the bottom.

          • Rick

            The Libtards are finally getting out of bed. Good afternoon Dave.

          • WTS/JAY


          • Don 2

            Davey says, “Benghazi, there is nothing there.” Prey tell Davey, why is Hussain Obama still hiding the 30 or so witnesses who were at Benghazi, from Congress?

  • rbrooks

    if only we could put a white christian republican back in office.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You are being facetious. Which denomination would you like him to be now?
      You mean you don’t care for O/Osiris we have in power now.

      • rbrooks

        actually. i would lean toward sarcastic. rather than factitious.

        all politicians are crooks.

        how is that confusing for you.

        • 5alive5

          Washington DC. The DC stands for Decidedly Criminal!

          • rbrooks


  • mike austin

    Wayne, the worst part is you only scratched the surface……

  • Nadzieja Batki

    Is “Trust Your Government” supposed to be a new Commandment of God because according to the Dems/Progs/Leftists we hear how dare we not trust the government.

  • Dave

    Gov should fear the wrath of the voter… he voter should never be afraid of their Gov.

    That requires a few things:

    1) The press to do its job of asking the tough questions and to do investigations regardless of ideology.

    2) a informed and and active electorate that does no adhere to “all of Congress stinks but my guy is ok” mentality.
    3) Big money gets out of the political process and forbid politicians from going into lobbying for 10 years after they leave Congress.
    4) Politicians are no longer allowed to gerrymander districts.
    Should we trust Gov? Not necessarily… but more imporantly we need to be able to varify their activities and hold politicians accountable.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      The government would fear the voter if we had honest elections in this country.

      We do not.

      • Dave

        If we do not have honest elections, which country in the world of 300M people does? Do you have any examples?
        the truth is, unless you get the outcome you want, you will not accept the election result. Obama won by a larger margin than Bush did against Kerry, Bush and Conservatives called that a “mandate”. But this past election, the outcome was rigged… Ok.

        • Bon, From the Land of Babble

          Yes. As a matter of fact there WAS a lot of voter fraud in the 2012 election.

          Just trying to help you keep from digging yourself in deeper, but I see you lack the sense to even see that.

          Seriously, why are you posting on a conservative site? You are obviously a believer in government uber alles.

          The USSR had “democracy” “elections” and “human rights” laws.  That did not mean the people were free. 

          You too may have the final word. I have found arguing with leftist and statist to be futile, the brainwashing is too deep, the Kool-Aid too powerful.

          • Dave


            You failed to answer my question…. Which copuntry of 300M or more has close to perfect elections?

            Hans von Spakovsky

            This guy?


            I find arguing with rightists and statists to be futile. the brainwashing is too deep and the kool-aid too powerful.

          • Dave

            I am glad however that The author of the Forbes article agrees with me that an amportant piece is getting big money out of the political process.

          • Don 2

            How about getting the Democrats favorite political piggy bank, you grease my palm, and I’ll grease yours, public employee unions, and their money out of the political process?

          • Dave

            Hey Donny,

            What part of “big money” don’t you get? that includes what you said and the Republicans favorite political piggy bank, you grease my palm, and I’ll grease yours, the corporations and wealthy that have infinately more money and power that the unions do.

          • Don 2

            Yeah right Davey, when pigs fly! Talk is cheap, just listen to Hussain Obama talk about transparency before, then after, his coronation.

          • Dave

            You really want to Compare Obama against your hero Ronald Reagan? That idiot was far more secretive than Obama. More of his cabinet was accused and convicted of wrongdoing than any other in the modern age.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Has Don said somewhere that Reagan is his hero?
            And if he did, and you were correct about his wrongdoing, does that somehow make Obama’s wrongdoing okay?

          • Dave

            DaveH, try and keep up… Donny was talking transparency.

          • 5alive5

            Answer the question dave. does that make Obambam’s lack of transparency somehow RIGHT????

          • JeffH

            According to the New York Times,(May 19, 2010)contrary to everything we were told about “transparency,” Obama has had the fewest press conferences of any president in decades. Not even Jimmy Carter or either Bush went seven full months without a single one.

            President George W. Bush had more than three times as many in his first year (147) as Obama has (46), for instance, and Bill Clinton had more than five times as many in his (252).

            This is all in addition to breaking core transparency promises such as that he would broadcast health care negotiations on CSPAN and allow five days of public comment prior to signing bills. See all 19 of the campaign pledges Obama has broken–even according to liberal ‘fact-checker’ Politifact–in his first year alone. Welcome to “the change we need.”

            Promise Broken rulings on the The Obameter

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Did Don say Reagan is his hero?
            I’m just curious.

          • Don 2

            I never mentioned Reagan.

          • Don 2

            Davey, clearly you are still smarting from the spanking Big Bob gave you yesterday. Let’s get you up to speed, O.K.? Ronald Reagan is dead, and has been for sometime. Hussain Obama is the Community Agitator screwing up the country, and pleading with any idiot who will listen, that climate change is our biggest problem. What a dufus!
            By the way Davey, the corporations and wealthy that you try to pretend have a thing with just Republicans, is really a bunch of tired old talking points. Corporations and the wealthy are giving at least as much to the Democrats, as anyone else. Does GE, big pharma, Silicon Valley, and Hollywood ring a bell with Corporations and the wealthy being contributors to Hussain Obama?

          • JeffH

            A minute after he took office, the White House website declared his administration would become “the most open and transparent in history.” By the end of his first full day on the job, Obama had issued high-profile orders pledging “a new era” and “an unprecedented level of openness” across the massive federal government.

            But three years into his presidency, critics say Obama’s administration has failed to deliver the refreshing blast of transparency that the president promised.

            “Obama is the sixth administration that’s been in office since I’ve been doing Freedom of Information Act work. … It’s kind of shocking to me to say this, but of the six, this administration is the worst on FOIA issues. The worst. There’s just no question about it,” said Katherine Meyer, a Washington lawyer who’s been filing FOIA cases since 1978. “This administration is raising one barrier after another. … It’s gotten to the point where I’m stunned — I’m really stunned.”


          • JeffH

            Obama becomes most secretive President in history as denied requests for information hits record
            -Posted by EU Times on Mar 23rd, 2010

            The Democratic administration of Barack Obama, who denounced his predecessor, George W. Bush, as the most secretive in history, is now denying more Freedom of Information Act requests than the Republican did.

            Transparency and openness were so important to the new president that on his first full day in office, he dispatched a much-publicized memo saying: “All agencies should adopt a presumption in favor of disclosure, in order to renew their commitment to the principles embodied in FOIA, and to usher in a new era of open government. The presumption of disclosure should be applied to all decisions involving FOIA.”

            One of the exemptions allowed to deny Freedom of Information requests has been used by the Obama administration 70,779 times in its first year; the same exemption was used 47,395 times in Bush’s final budget year.

            An Associated Press examination of 17 major agencies’ handling of FOIA requests found denials 466,872 times, an increase of nearly 50% from the 2008 fiscal year under Bush.

            To no one’s surprise – On March 16 to mark annual Sunshine Week, designed to promote openness in government, Obama applauded himself by issuing a statement:

            “As Sunshine Week begins, I want to applaud everyone who has worked to increase transparency in government and recommit my administration to be the most open and transparent ever.”

            However, a new study out March 15 by George Washington University’s National Security Archive finds less than one-third of the 90 federal agencies that process such FOIA requests have made significant changes in their procedures since Obama’s 2009 memo.

            The moral of these transparency stories…Once a liar, always a liar!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            There goes Dave again, making it a partisan issue when in fact both major parties have their pet Crony Capitalists.

            For those who want to know more than Dave (I know, that isn’t hard):

          • Dave

            There goes “Everyone is a Progressive except Ron Paul and people who believe as I do” DaveH making great leaps of BS when I have said before that both parties are paid by many of the same masters.
            I expect more from someone that tests regularly in the 90th percentile.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So, Dave, you aren’t a Progressive?

          • Dave

            Socially, Liberal and Progressive ( I will put the record of liberals and progressives against conservatives anyday)
            Fiscally, more conservative.
            Since you asked.

          • JeffH

            Then you’re a Heinz 57, a hybrid…like Hussein Obama…right?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What is a Progressive, Dave?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Big Government will always be controlled by special interests whether they be “big money” or not.
            Big Government will always take from the many to give to the few (themselves first).

          • Dave

            “Big” Gov? Try any Gov that is allowed to be lobbied by business and is free to throw as much money as they want around,

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave’s answer to everything — “Let’s make Government even bigger”. Then he will express amazement that the new Bigger Government is practicing even more corruption.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you work hard at being ignorant, Dave, or does it just come naturally?

          • JeffH


          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “I find arguing with rightists and statists to be futile”.

            Statists? Are you kidding, Dave? You are a statist.

            What Progressive isn’t?

          • Dave

            Statism-concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government often extending to government ownership of industry.
            So Reagan was a statist right? Reagan was a Conservative right?
            You are adorable DaveH….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What has Reagan got to do with anything? If he was a statist would that have any bearing on whether you are or not? What a numbnuts.

        • jenelle

          Secret ballot voting is always rigged. It is rigged whether republicans or democrats win.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Dave says — “If we do not have honest elections, which country in the world of 300M people does? Do you have any examples?”.
          Typical Liberal Progressive — sinking to the lowest common denominator. As if that justifies any fraud in our elections.
          Dave demonstrates why Socialism never works. The common human tendency is to look at the neighbor who doesn’t put in his fair share of work and say “He isn’t working hard, why should I?”.

          • Dave

            The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden… their brand of hybird socialism/capitalism with a representative gov seems to work fine. They have better educational systems and a better standard of living. But ole DaveH denies it.

            DaveH is a shining example of why his theories and those of his master have no example to turn to as a successful model in the industrial age. LOL

            Poor DaveH… so full of hope that his books he reads from his Austria based school have any basis in reality.

          • 5alive5

            Dave ole sot! if you like those countries so much PLEASE immigrate there!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Because you say so, Dave?
            Do you offer any evidence to back up your conjecture?
            Even if they did have better standard of livings, how does that demonstrate that their Socialism isn’t a drag on their economies? Your logic, Dave, is weak as always.
            According to this report only Norway has a GDP per capita on a PPP basis than the US, and I suspect much of that is due to their oil activities:
   has this to say about Norway:
            This obviously well-educated poster says it well:

          • wavesofgrain

            I would love to see all those that admire the European Socialistic Societies, emmigrate ‘tout de suite’ to those countries and leave our constitutional republic alone.

        • 5alive5

          It was PROVEN in several cities that voter fraud was rampant!

      • Bert Cundle

        Government DEFINED: In Control!

    • WTS/JAY

      Good luck with that. Yours is a pipe-dream…

      • Dave

        Yes Jay it is… But it doesn’t mean that its not a good thing to strive for. This is our country. We have the control if we want it.

        • Bert Cundle

          Dave: Learn more about the Electrorial College… And where the $ comes from & For it!

  • mr norm

    Go to Washington, or your state house, Tell all the people who have been there more than 10 yrs to stand up, then tell them they are fired. Then tell all the people who have been there 5 years or less to stand up, tell them they are fired. Note; no gov. pension, health care or other benies. Then start clean.

  • JeffH

    The Lawyers Party – Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are lawyers. Bill Clinton and Michelle Obama are lawyers. John Edwards is a lawyer and so was his wife Elizabeth. Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate.) Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school. Gerald Ford was a lawyer.
    – American Thinker, Bruce Walker March 2008

    Lawyers, Judges and Lawyer/Politicians have exempted themselves from any kind of legal punishment for their discretions. And with this understanding, they go full throttle ahead with lies and deceit knowing that they alone can utilize these lethal weapons against their opponents.

    Whereas the ‘common people’ are fired from their job or imprisoned, lawyers are rewarded with money and power and recognition* for the same kind of despicable behavior and in the end, this impunity is key in keeping them in control of, well everything..

    A lethargic and brainwashed public has elevated lying and deceiving lawyers and even politicians to star status even though their despicable actions have destroyed any resemblance of truth and justice in the American courtroom.

    Lawyers are now in control of all three branches of State and Federal governments. They literally play a deciding role in every thing we are permitted or not permitted to do in every aspect of our lives every day of the week and every week of the year. And as is well know; “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely…”

    Today, we are drowning in laws, we are contorted by judicial decisions, we are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once private lives. When the most important decision for our next president is whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is too big. When lawyers use criminal prosecution as a continuation of politics by other means then the power of lawyers in America is too great.

    Many Americans know that a republic in which every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is not what Washington intended in 1789. Many Americans grasp that we cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders. Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy.

    Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power will only make our problems worse.

    I guess it all boils down to this quote from a well known lawyer & former president : “Bill Clinton- depends on what the meaning of the word is…is”

    • wavesofgrain

      You have brought up very crucial scenarios. I remember a cartoon in the newspaper about 20 years ago, where a lawyer smugly winks and states, ” I get paid whether I win or lose:…..

      There are websites that list “Esquires” performance and outcomes in courts, but are only for members of the “Esquire cult”. They have a “peer revue” score as well. But their clients are left in the dark to trust them with their lives. Reform should begin with public access to all lawyers’ win/lose records. We, however, are forced to reveal our life history, judged by our credit scores, stand with our pants down with all to see. (The medical professions’ perfornances are also ‘protected’ from public scrutiny. And the now ‘police state’, with a brotherhood in control, is another problem)

      Another trend that is extremely worrisome is your reference to the Supreme Court Judges. They have become reckless and wild. Very good analogy you have demonstrated there, JeffH.

      “””Many Americans know that a republic in which every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is not what Washington intended in 1789″””

      • JeffH

        Thank you. While I’ve always had the idea that politicians were akin to and about as honest as a used car salesman I had never given much thought as to their previous professions…at least not until I arrived at this website.

        I’ve learned and been made aware of current event, history and the dirt and sleeziness of politics and politicians by some of the most thoughtfull and intelligent thinkers and backward thinking liberal/progressives here at PLD than I ever would in any college or university. My hat is off to Bob Livingston and his staff and many of the good, honest people that come here to share their experiences and their knowledge. Without them, I’d probably be a clueless and angry right winger.

  • hungry4food

    does Edward Snowden and Maxine Waters have in common?

    appears that they both ratted Ole Barry out. But wait..didn’t Maxine do it

    Maxine Waters
    Obama Database through his NON Profit that was allowed by the IRS while all the
    Other Tea Party Non Profits sat in Limbo and Obamas foundation was data mining
    from IRS and NSA the very initiatives that is talked about in this Video
    interview with Maxine Waters ; in February

    NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden: ‘I don’t want to live in a
    society that does these sort of things’ ; in June

    • Bert Cundle

      Paul Revier was a wistle blower… Nixon would have been one too!


    Government needs a healthy respect of WTP by use of fear, this is a age old remedy to stop despotism, oppression and tyrants from reaching the goal line, the use of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the pronunced words of the Declaration of Independence are fine implements to enforce that fear and remind us all that we are thought to act as freemen but to remain as a free people we have to maintain and repair the Republic regularly and not hestitate make the mends…

  • Michael Shreve

    SOMEHOW the people of this great nation became convinced that they were SUPPOSED to trust our governments. NOTHING could be further from the truth. Our forefathers KNEW that NO government can be trusted. THAT is WHY they specifically LIMITED the powers of the FEDERAL government. TRUST in governments is WHY we are in such a mess.


    yeah sure,…….. go ahead trust the RICO extortionists and counterfeiters.

  • agbjr

    “Love your country but fear its government.”

    Daniel Webster

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      And he should know:

      “The Bank’s most vocal supporter in Congress was Daniel Webster. Even though Webster had staunchly opposed the bank’s original charter, he discovered the merits of the Bank when he found himself on its payroll. At the peak of the renewal controversy, in which Webster was playing a leading role, he wrote to Biddle,
      I believe my retainer has not been renewed or refreshed as usual. If it be wished that my relation to the Bank should be continued, it may be well to send me the usual retainers”.

  • Dean

    This all spells out INCOMPETENCE on the highest, worst order! In real life, a top “leader” is held accountable for their failures, and his greatest failure is not knowing what to do next, time after time after time! Were this private industry, he’d have been gone long ago.

    The great truth to all of this is, Mr. O. has too often been the last to know, and his incompetence is the cause of it all, not knowing what to do next!

    We demand better! It’s past time.