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Trayvon Martin And An American Tragedy

April 5, 2012 by  

Trayvon Martin And An American Tragedy
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Can there be any justice in the case of Trayvon Martin if it is defined by race?

The entire Nation is a victim in the death of Trayvon Martin.

The emotionally charged national conversation that has followed the tragic killing of Martin has turned what was the story of two individuals who crossed paths and were involved in an altercation that resulted in a death into a speculative hate-fest. The obvious surviving victims — Martin’s family and the man who pulled the trigger, George Zimmerman — might have had a chance to work out exactly what happened on the night of Feb. 26 in a Sanford, Fla., suburb without the racially charged media frenzy. That will never happen now, and every citizen of the United States, regardless of race, has become a victim in the tragedy.

Those who are at the heart of making race the central issue in the Martin case have seemingly thrown aside any semblance of fact in their discussions of why Zimmerman used lethal force against the teenager. Reporter Rene Stutzman of The Orlando Sentinel pointed this out in a recent article.

When the mainstream media initially released a picture of Martin, they chose to release a dated photo of the young man when he was of a much smaller stature. This sparked the claim: It is absurd that Zimmerman needed to use deadly force against a teenager he outweighed by 100 pounds.

Stutzman retorts: “A Sanford police incident report says Trayvon was 6 feet tall and weighed 160 pounds. A spokesman for the family’s lawyers gave a slightly different set of numbers: 6 feet 1 and 150 pounds. Zimmerman is 5 feet 9 inches tall, according to the police report, but it is silent about his weight. A family member says he currently weighs about 190 pounds. Zimmerman used to be far heavier. A 2005 police report put his weight at 250 pounds, but security camera video released last week by Sanford police show him to be much trimmer.”

Given the reporter’s information, there is little question that Martin could have inflicted the injuries visible on Zimmerman’s head and face in a recently released police surveillance video.

The reporter also addresses allegations that the Justice Department is investigating the Sanford Police Department for a long history of civil rights violations, making it plausible that the officers would have no problem letting individuals get away with hate crimes.

She writes: “Not so. Since Trayvon’s death Feb. 26, the NAACP and others have alleged widespread and long-standing civil rights abuses by the department and asked for a broad investigation. But last week, DOJ spokeswoman Xochitl Hinojosa and FBI spokesman Dave Couvertier told the Los Angeles Times that there’s only one civil rights investigation under way: whether Zimmerman violated Trayvon’s rights when he shot him.”

Why might a reporter in Orlando be attempting to make readers examine the facts rather than jump on the racially driven hate wagon with those who want Zimmerman hanged? Perhaps she wants to do her part to avert the widespread racial violence that is liable to break out if emotional rhetoric outweighs logical consideration of fact.

In a recent visit to the area, Jesse Jackson told protesters that Martin was shot in the back of his head. Martin was shot in the chest. And Al Sharpton also said this: “Sanford is a beautiful city. It’s on the side of the water, has great potential for tourism. You are risking going down as the Birmingham or Selma of the 21st Century.”

In Birmingham and Selma, Ala., during the struggle for civil rights in the United States, a church was bombed, killing four girls; peaceful protesters were sprayed with fire hoses and brutally beaten by police; Americans were made to use segregated facilities based on race; and the leaders of the civil rights movement were arrested and thrown in jail.

In fact, while jailed, civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. wrote “A Letter from a Birmingham Jail.” In one portion of the letter, King, to justify the actions of civil rights protestors in Birmingham at the time, writes:

In any nonviolent campaign there are four basic steps: collection of the facts to determine whether injustices exist; negotiation; self purification; and direct action. We have gone through all these steps in Birmingham.

Sharpton and his fellow race provocateurs have skipped directly to direct action in screaming injustice in the case of Martin’s death.

As the story continues to unfold, Zimmerman, who has minority heritage himself, doesn’t look like the racist he is being painted as.

 A recent article in The Daily Caller says that Zimmerman has been active in fighting injustice against minorities in the past. He reportedly was one of very few people in his community to get involved and speak out against the Sanford Police when the white son of an officer brutally beat a black homeless man and went uncharged until community members, including Zimmerman, demanded that he be held accountable.

Reason published a list of questions that people concerned about the case would be asking if race were laid aside: Who started the fight? Did Zimmerman shoot Martin “in cold blood?” Is Florida’s “stand your ground” law the reason Zimmerman has not been arrested?

The answers to those questions from people who want race to be the central issue of the case are already defined: Zimmerman started the fight. Yes, he killed Martin “in cold blood” (explaining Jackson’s erroneous claim that he was shot in the back of the head). And, the stand your ground law is acting as a get-out-of-jail -free card for a man who committed a hate crime.

The race baiters have ignored one very important fact, however. Zimmerman has not been charged in Martin’s death, though he is already long into a trial in the court of public opinion.

If race determines how the justice system will handle the case, political correctness has sealed the fate of any American who is forced to use deadly force in self-defense. Zimmerman has been forced into hiding and his life is changed forever due to the unfortunate incident. Unless you want the same fate to befall you, if you ever must use deadly force in self-defense, be sure you are of the same race as your attacker, he/she is white or you have witnesses. If not, you may become the next George Zimmerman.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Sirian

    Standby, this is going to have a total of more than 300 comments by days end. As usual, so many of them will know everything there is to know and will have reams upon reams of supposed documentation to back their stand. As I’ve said before, let the law run the standard line of collecting information, evidence and facts. Then let those in charge of the investigation determine the action needed thereafter. If they decide Zimmerman should be arrested and tried, so be it! If not, then let it go – is falsely based civil unrest justified? If any agree with that then they are without question members of the clan of low life race baiters such as Sharpton & Jackson. Those two are out for nothing more than the media coverage and $ they can make. Oh how they love to rattle everyone to get their fifteen minutes of fame. And they are devout MLK people?? Jackson especially!! Stand back everyone and watch the flow of comments. This will generate the usual stampede of “know it all’s”.

    • Witsend

      Well said Sirian!
      And here is the first of those “know-it-all” comments.
      I believe (not know) that if there had been evidence to charge Zimmerman of murder, he would have been detained. If there had been any indication that Zimmerman was a threat to others, he would have been detained.

      • Robert Smith

        The cop at the scene wanted to detain him.

        “The investigator, Chris Serino, was unconvinced by Zimmerman’s assertion that he resorted to deadly force in self-defense, according to ABC News.”

        That’s from: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0328/Trayvon-Martin-case-Why-hasn-t-George-Zimmerman-been-arrested-video

        Rob

      • Average Joe

        Robert…as usual…you tell us part of the story….so that you look like you have a clue…and now the rest of the story….

        “But Serino’s superiors, in turn, were apparently unconvinced by Serino’s reasoning. They did not take Zimmerman into custody because of two words: “probable cause.”

        “The Sanford police said this is why they did not arrest Zimmerman: they did not have probable cause to believe that he had broken the law,” writes legal analyst Dave Kopel, research director of the Independence Institute, on the widely read legal blog The Volokh Conspiracy.Florida’ Stand Your Ground law would have been legally irrelevant to this determination, according to Mr. Kopel. ”

        While it is nice that legal analyst Dave Kopel has an opinion on the case….it is after all… only his opinion and nothing more. His opinion carries absolutely no weight on the case….he is not involved in the investigation on any level…other than shooting off his mouth….and fanning the flames of speculation.

        Unlike you Robert…I don’t know who is to blame for this unfortunate event….and really don’t care to speculate on that point……but,then…I wasn’t there….I’ll let the law and the courts make that determination…after all, that’s what they are supposed to do.
        I realize that you have difficulty discerning the difference between speculation and actual evidence…..but please, in the future…at least make an attempt….and stop trying this case in the “Court of Public Opinion”……leave it to the proper authorities to do their jobs.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Joe you post: “….I’ll let the law and the courts make that determination…after all, that’s what they are supposed to do.”

        Yup, you seem to be taking the word of a political hack DA rather than a cop at the scene.

        Too bad it won’t get to court without an arrest or wrongful death suit.

        BTW, how do you explain that there is a 99% chance that Zimmerman is a liar? They’ve had time to compare his voice on the 911 call to the screaming. They are even more sure it wasn’t him, contrary to his claim.

        Rob

      • Average Joe

        Robert Smith ,
        You write: “Yup, you seem to be taking the word of a political hack DA rather than a cop at the scene. ”

        You seem to do a bit too much “ASSuming”…rather than actually thinking in a logical fashion.
        But, since you brought it up, I am not taking anyone’s word about anything, but….since the City, State and Federals authorities have all gotten involved in “A local matter”…there has still been no arrest made in the case. Unless you are insinuating that this is a conspiracy between all three agencies to cover something up…..I fail to understand your question or your reasoning.

        “BTW, how do you explain that there is a 99% chance that Zimmerman is a liar? They’ve had time to compare his voice on the 911 call to the screaming. They are even more sure it wasn’t him, contrary to his claim. ”

        Uh…I don’t need to explain anything, nor would I attempt to do so….it’s not my job…nor am I a trained professional at voice recogniton. That is however the job of the Justice System.
        If charges are filed and a trial ensues…both sides will be allowed to bring in their “experts” and those experts will give testimony to a “Jury”…..who will decide which experts that they believe…and after all of the evidence is presented to the jury…THEY, the Jury (imagine that)…make a decision of guilt or innocence……for those of you who are a wee bit slow on the uptake…that’s the way the system works.

      • vicki

        Why do people claim that Zimmerman was not detained that night? Do they believe that the video of him being brought into the station was faked?

        Robert Smith writes

        BTW, how do you explain that there is a 99% chance that Zimmerman is a liar?

        and we all know where you pulled out that number.

      • vicki

        Robert Smith writes

        “The investigator, Chris Serino, was unconvinced by Zimmerman’s assertion that he resorted to deadly force in self-defense, according to ABC News.”

        After the evidence that NBC (not ABC) doctored the 911 tapes to try and incite a race war, I am not sure I trust any source other than that of the actual police reports.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Robert says…”BTW, how do you explain that there is a 99% chance that Zimmerman is a liar? They’ve had time to compare his voice on the 911 call to the screaming. They are even more sure it wasn’t him, contrary to his claim.”

        Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, told the Orlando Sentinel that there was only a 48% chance that it was Zimmerman crying for help on the tape and also said he couldn’t be sure that the voice was Martin’s because he didn’t have a sample of the teen’s voice.

        The “experts” have listened to the “screams” and came to the conclusion that there was a 48% chance the scream’s were that of Zimmerman…does that means there is a 52% chance that the voice is Martin”s? 48% is pretty damning evidence wouldn’t you say? Beyond a shadow of a doubt? Not even close!

        They don’t even have a sample of Martin’s voice to compare the screams on the 911 tape to, but they’re sure it the voice of a young man.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Robert Smith, why don’t you read the Trayvon Martin police report yourself.

        The report, filed by Sanford police officer Ricardo Ayala and published online Tuesday by the Chicago Tribune, indicates that there were at least six witnesses — three men and three women — who saw or heard some part of the events that led to Martin’s death. They ranged in age from 19 to 56.

        Zimmerman was in custody when Ofc. Ayala arrived on scene. Officer Timothy Smith, in his written report, notes that “Zimmerman complied with all my commands and was secured in handcuffs.”

        “Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid. I oberved that Zimmerman’s back was wet and covered with grass…Zimmerman was also bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.”

        Once Zimmerman was cleared by the [Sanford Fire Department], he was transported to the Sanford Police Department.”

        “Zimmerman was placed in an interview room at [Sanford Police Department], where he was interviewed by Investigator D. Singleton.”

        The police reposrt can be seen and read right here:
        http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/27/police-incident-report-fills-in-details-on-trayvon-martin-shooting/

      • Vicki

        JeffH writes:
        The police reposrt can be seen and read right here:
        http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/27/police-incident-report-fills-in-details-on-trayvon-martin-shooting/
        Careful JeffH. You are going to confuse the liberals with actual facts. I am especially amused that they keep claiming that Mr Zimmerman was not detained or not arrested yet he was handcuffed and taken to jail. What do liberals call that? A night on the town?

      • http://yahoo frank

        what evidence have you seen that I have not to make him guilty? and I am tired of blacks holding up signs and saying if he was white the black people are the racist here what more do you blacks want you are getting it all now you are never satisfied always wanting more all need to go come and let the law handle this or is this not what we havew the law for to uphold the law

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Sirian…

      Remember, Zimmerman was arrested for assaulting a cop, paper was passed to him to not be aggressive by an old flame, and he was fired from his job for being able to break into a rage at the drop of just about anything.

      It ain’t about race. I agree that has clouded the issues.

      But the basic issues still remain that Zimmerman was aggressive, he did disobey the dispatcher, he was carring a gun when he wasn’t supposed to be, and he (99% chance) lied about the screaming.

      Further the cop on the scene wanted to arrest him because he recognized that his story didn’t match.

      So, even without race involved the case for Zimmerman going to trial is compelling.

      Rob

      • Sirian

        Hey Rob! How ya doing?! It’s been ages since the last time I saw you!! Ya need another drink? Let me get the bar-keeper and it’ll be on the house for sure!! Sure, sure, sure, no problem and say, the head is back over there, down the hall and on your right.

      • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

        And I suppose you were there at the scene also !!!

      • vicki

        Robert Smith writes

        But the basic issues still remain that Zimmerman was aggressive, he did disobey the dispatcher, he was carring a gun when he wasn’t supposed to be, and he (99% chance) lied about the screaming.

        You have some evidence? We DO have evidence you are either ignorant or lying with at least one of your claims about Mr Zimmerman. “He was carring a gun when he wasn’t supposed to be.”
        http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/21/449414/florida-governor-suspend-zimmermans-concealed-carry-permit/?mobile=nc

        All those Martin supporters know. Why don’t you? Or are you lying.
        Since you don’t know (or are lying about) that rather important detail, why should we trust any of the other statements? Especially, like the typical liberal/progressive on this board, you offer no evidence beyond your bald assertions.

        You been taking lessons from Flashy?

      • Rick

        Hey robert again innocent until poven guilty! He was charged but the charges were later dropped.and because of innocent until proven guilty and having to proven guilty to have that effect his right to own or posess a firearm it is amoot point. Just because the outcome is sad and tragic does not make it illegal.

    • Rocky Night

      This is not about race or justice.

      This is about trying to change the “stand your ground law” and disarm the American public.

      *grabs popcorn to wait and see*

      • Robert Smith

        From Rocky: “This is about trying to change the “stand your ground law” and disarm the American public.”

        “Stand your ground” is a bad law. Self defense has always been accepted in court and when applicable a valid defense.

        “Stand your ground” is a 007 license to kill.

        Besides, it doesn’t apply in the Zimmerman case. HE was the aggressor stalking and assaultiing the kid on the sidewalk.

        Rob

      • Crystal

        A young woman in Oklahoma with her baby were home when two men tried to break in. She barricaded the door and called 911. She asked the dispatcher if she could shoot them if they broke in, the Dispatcher told her she couldn’t tell her to shoot anyone, but to protect her infant son as best as she could. This young woman shot and killed one of the men who broke in. That’s self-defense. She also had recently loss her husband to cancer in Dec. 2011.

        Zimmerman has been in trouble with the law not once, but twice. He went out looking for trouble. They played the entire 911 call on the court station. Zimmerman said, “These a$$holes are always getting away” in his call. He’s completely at fault here. He knew what law he was going to use.

        Everyone I know is a gun owner, and not one of us has gone out to shoot anyone. It’s a$$holes like Zimmerman that create the disruption of our 2nd Amendment Rights. Not only that, how do we know Zimmerman didn’t attack first and Martin got a few licks in before he died.

        Zimmerman is not the young woman in Oklahoma. He couldn’t purchase that much character.

      • vicki

        Robert Smith says:

        “Stand your ground” is a 007 license to kill.

        No. It is a license to NOT get shot/stabbed in the back when you try to run away as the law USED to require.

        Besides, it doesn’t apply in the Zimmerman case. HE was the aggressor stalking and assaultiing the kid on the sidewalk.

        Which easily explains why the “kid” was using a sidewalk to beat Mr Zimmerman’s head in. For us to believe your story we would have to believe that Zimmerman decided to assault Martin with out bothering to illegally use his gun to subdue Martin.

        Now we can create a dozen hollywood drama scenarios as to how that went down. What we are missing is evidence. Police had evidence. They initially detained Mr Zimmerman then released him.

        If you have evidence that they don’t have then call them up and share.

        Btw one important lesson here. If Martin was truly assaulted as claimed by Robert then he is another victim of gun control. Had Martin had a gun he could have defended himself. Thus driving another nail into the gun grabbers coffin and proving the truth of 2 soundbytes

        1. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
        2. Never bring a sidewalk to a gunfight.

      • Rick

        You are right Rocky. As for Robert Smith just dooes not like it the people no longer have to retreat when some buddy attacks them on the street. It still boils down to the fact that if they do ont feel they have a case (I know this will shock you the police do not bring charges the prosecutor does. And they have to belief a crime was commited. And wether they like the outcome it can still be legal. And Robert you are right about one thing the Stand your ground law does not apply here. He was being assulted and he used death force to defend himself. He never touched this kid but he injuries are consitant with he story and all eyewitnesses. as for the nes that heard this or that if you didn’t see it’s hearsya at best And that also seems to agree with all the other information from police reports and eyewitnesses.

    • hipshotpercusion

      Being an old fart, I remember when King was shot. Few people know that it was Jesse Jackson who called King out of the motel that morning. food for thought!

      • old hillbilly

        all things are possible

      • Rick

        Are you noticing a pattern here Macolm X –> Farrakan MLK–> Jesse Jackson interesting isn’t it.

    • jerry

      Hi Sirian; If folks come to some conclusion from a reaction, albiet an emotional one, all perspective is lost. Therefore…I have questions…questions like how come Zimmerman is seen while being arrested, without a mark on him when a week later, he has broken nose and scrapings all over his face? What did ‘they’ do to him while being incarcerated. Do the police harbor a grudge against this guy? Are the PTB using this case to bolster their argument against the ‘ carry concealed’ laws that the NRA are attempting to provide as our Constitutional rights? Are you aware of Hillarys involvement under a new UN Charter to ban all small arms? a clear violation of our Constitutional Rights? Why did they choose to depict a younger(and more vulnerable) depiction of Martin.? My take….a mistake was made. This kid went and pulled out his soda and Skittlesto show Zimmerman and he thought he was going for a gun and thus shot him. And now, most likely, the likes of Obama(BO) want to instigate a race war in this country to divest against the real issues facing us, the ones that Livingstone has mentioned in their book/pamphlet ” whose to blame”. A very good read I might add. And then…what about the 54 year old retired black veteran who was shot in his home by police after accidentally setting off his medical alert button, and when the med. alert company told the police to stand down, they refused (all on tape) and brazenly kicks this poor fellows door down and kills him. Why is there no media verbage/outrage over this? Remember…the media is bought off…we are being purposely haranged on a daily bais and in the end…we have martial law and the people won’t be able to takes it no more and will take what ever they are given just to make it stop. At this point…my impression….only divine intervention will stop this mass ofinjustice against the peoples of this earth. So my friend….u protect yourself and loved ones asap because its coming and soon. Our mantra 1)Long range food storage 2)silver bullion 3) and the means to protect the first 2… and u. Sent with Love.

    • Average Joe

      What’s funny about Robert is the way he writes this:

      “Hey Joe you post: “….I’ll let the law and the courts make that determination…after all, that’s what they are supposed to do.”

      Follwed by:

      “Yup, you seem to be taking the word of a political hack DA rather than a cop at the scene. ”

      While while completely ignoring the first part of the paragragh that he took my quote from:

      “Unlike you Robert…I don’t know who is to blame for this unfortunate event….and really don’t care to speculate on that point……but,then…I wasn’t there….”

      I am giving Robert the benefit of the doubt though…because I think I know what happened….. You see Robert is a speed reader and he was reading so fast…that when he got to the end of the previous paragragh…he hit that period…and it bounced him over the first half of the paragragh….an honest mistake…wink, wink, nudge, nudge…say no more……

      ;)

    • James

      It is obvious to even … THE STUPID … that the crime scene … questioning … and witness interviews were … BOTCHED … they knew who he was day one but didn’t notify his parent for 3 days … THE MOST LOGICAL REASON IS TO MAKE IT HARDER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED … AND TIME TO CONCOCT LIES TO COVER UP THE BUNGLING

      • James

        I’m not the ‘James’ who wrote that. The latest news is that Zimmerman has been charged with Second Degree Murder. When enough people march in the streets, there must be a sacrifice to appease them.

    • Ethel

      It’s a shame that you all know the truth and still lie! You are known to throw stones and hide your hands, then have the nerve to ask, why is that person bleeding and crying??? Could it be from the stone that you just picked up and hit them with? You still have the dust on your hands. But you were raised to lie no matter what. This is just another case of you all killing and lying to cover it up. Then pretending, for conscience sake, that you couldn’t possibly know anything about it. Or demonizing the person so you can justify why you killed,took property,or banished to some God forsaken place. That worked back before social media began to show you up for who you are. No one believe your lies anymore! Just like MARTIN Luther King was killed in cold blood.(you would have said that was self defense too) Trayvon MARTIN was also killed in cold blood, for minding his own business, not chasing Zimmerman like a hunted animal. Go ahead keep lying to yourself, so you can sleep at night.

  • Chris

    Race related or not, Zimmerman was the instigator. Its clear on the 911 call that he had no intention on waiting for police or quit following Martin. If someone follows me, I have a right to defend myself if approached. If Zimmerman had no weapon, he would have probably complied with the dispatcher’s request. However, having the weapon, he was willing to pursue. That sounds like premeditated murder to me.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I totally agree Chris. When he was told to back off (however that was said – I don’t recall) he should have backed off.

      • HD

        The lesson here is clear…never take Skittles to a gunfight.

      • Ernaldo T

        and you are sure he didn’t?

      • eddie47d

        That has already been determined in whether Trayvon had a gun or not. (he didn’t)

      • Wyatt

        Odd , Zimmerman stated he was returning to his vehicle when attacked from behind . Now of course you and I were not there , but as the rest of Zimmerman’s account of the incident has been more or less verified by witness’s and by Zimmerman’s injuries and grass and dirt stains on his clothing and yet you choose to believe the media , Jackson , Sharpton and the rest of the hatemongers and racists . Just look at the photo the fellow in the picture is holding . “If Trayvon was White , Zimmerman would be arrested ” . Everyone is assuming Zimmerman is white when in fact he is of mixed parentage . Also the fact that the event in question took place a full month prior to the uproar caused by the statements of an individual of mixed parentage himself .

        Those who were not witness to the event should just zip it and allow the police to do their job . Clearly they felt that at present time there was more to look into and at present there was not sufficent grounds to hold and charge Zimmerman under the present laws .

      • http://nowebsite. Era

        Has anyone considered that the vice president needed aheart transplant one day and it seams that all of a suden he comes out with a new heart?
        Where did the heart come from so fast ?

    • http://liberty Tony

      To Chris:
      Right on!! Granted, these race hustlers have used this tragedy to their advantage but you’re absolutely correct!! George Zimmerman was way out of line. People here talk about constitutional liberties, well, Trayvon Martin’s “constitutional rights” were violated big time. Wouldn’t you all agree!?! Thanks!!

      • Mike Austin

        I would not agree. The dispatcher has no authority. Zimmerman broke no laws in following the thug. He has every right to talk, yell, scream and accuse the punk of casing the properties. YES, he was within his right. Trayvon however, does not have the right to touch Zimmerman. Therefore, he learned a permanent lesson. Zimmerman was within his rights but is guilty of not doing the smart thing.

      • Crystal

        Zimmerman is the only THUG in this story. Trayvon was 20 feet from his home. Zimmerman has been in trouble with the law twice. Once for domestic violence. The second with a scrape with the police. How those charges were dropped is really strange.

        All Black males are not thugs like you Tony.

      • http://liberty Tony

        Hey Crystal:
        Who are you calling a Thug!?! If you read my post,you would see i’m agreeing with you. Be careful what you talk about in the future!!

      • vicki

        One thing is clear. Mr Martin is another victim of gun control. Had he been allowed to posses a gun he could have defended himself. But being under 18 the law denied him access to the best tool for self-defense.

      • Crystal

        Sorry Tony, I clicked the wrong “Reply” button.

      • Robert Smith

        Mike says: “Zimmerman broke no laws in following the thug.”

        But he did break neighborhood watch policy. They are NOT supposed to be armed, and they are NOT supposed to approach people.

        Rob

    • Average Joe

      Were you there? Are you part of the investigating team? A forensic expert investigating this case, maybe? Do you have any qualifications at all that makes you some kind of expert ( of any kind) in this case? If your answer is no to these questions…STFU…you don’t know anything other than what the rest of us know…and all you are doing is …flapping your jaws…and giving us your opinion…that and $5 will get you a cup of coffee in some places….around here, your opinion (without evidence to support it)…is pretty much worthless….
      In the future, please learn how to filter what comes from the Lamestream media…..so that you know the difference between actual news….and propaganda to sell their product……to the lamebrained public….And apparently, you have bought their entire line of products…lock, stock and smoking barrel ( as evidenced by your comment).

      • Kate8

        Average – You know as well as I do that none of this is about what actually happened. We can debate this into the coming years, but the fact remains that none of us were there.

        No, this is just the opportunity that presented itself for Obama and his thugs to blow up into a (fake) case for gun confiscation and escalation of racial fury. Nothing more.

        We are all victims here, and if Obama has his way, we’ll all suffer unjustly.

      • Average Joe

        Kate8,

        That was my point, none of us were there..none of us know the real story…yet there are people commenting as if they are somehow privy to “The Truth”….while the rest of us are somehow……just plain “ignorant to the facts”.

        The whole thing is just one gigantic “MEDIA CIRCUS”…and nothing more.

  • Raggs

    This “crisis” is a distraction for the sheeple.
    The communist left-wing nutjobs are willing to sacrifice anyone or anything to turn the attention away from their master and lord oblama….

    • eddie47d

      What are the rightwing nutjobs called who are stirring the pot Raggs? Why do you always give them a free pass.

      • Kate8

        eddie – So, you are saying that the “rightwing nut jobs” should simply leave this ridiculous charade uncountered?

        Had the Left not blown it into something bigger than it is (these things go on every day…even worse, yet go unreported), there would have been no need for further commentary.

        No, the Left was just waiting for the first opportunity for a white/black incident to serve as a launchpad for gun confiscation. They pounced a bit prematurely, though, because neither of them were white…oops. Oh well. We can just leave that little detail unmentioned…the stupids won’t notice…

        Obama promised to go “under the radar” to get the guns. His clowns have been setting up the stage for a perfect storm, anyway, by handing out guns to the worst of the worst, giving them the green light to start shooting.

        The way things have been going, eddie, your weak protests only make you look foolish. Is a paycheck worth selling out your country?

        Answer to this would seem obvious. Some people are just oblivious to consequences. And they are the ones who cry the loudest when they have to pay up.

      • vicki

        All those people protesting Mr Zimmerman seem to be of the left wing not the right wing, even Obama, so there is no need to complain about the right wing when they are not doing any stirring.

      • vicki

        Kate8 writes

        No, the Left was just waiting for the first opportunity for a white/black incident to serve as a launchpad for gun confiscation.

        Looks to me like the left has it backwards. This incident is further proof that gun control is bad. Had Mr Martin been allowed to have a gun he would have been able to defend himself. (Assumes that the left mantra of Martin as the victim is true.)

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        eddie the known liar who has no credibility and who’s comments are under moderation here has the gall to ask:

        “What are the rightwing nutjobs called who are stirring the pot Raggs? Why do you always give them a free pass.”

        Like so many good liberals, eddie is more concerned about, what he would consider to be, unfair play and then depends on his emotions rather than rational thought to respond with a question…but don’t they(liberals) all?

        I’d ask eddie who these “rightwing nutjobs” are, but so many of us, for 2+ years, are still waiting for eddie’s answers and proof for many of his fabrications, irrational thoughts and allegations.

        Go figure!

    • 2¢ worth…

      @ Raggs: “Left-wing nut jobs”.. It’s Obama’s fault!!

      @ Vicki: ” You are going to confuse the liberals with actual facts.”

      This forum must reek with left-wing nut job Obama socialist liberals (I inserted ‘socialist’).. Or are there people of all political leanings nagging on this left-right, up-down, in-out?

      How ’bout this: Zimmerman clip (enhanced).
      http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/mega-millions-lottery-winners-jackpot-winners-forward-16053172?tab=9482930&section=1206852&playlist=16056693

      ABC? Liberal? Nut Job? Obama lover? Uh…??

  • Benton Bain

    Obama’s “son” “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA” Trayvon Martin

    Obama’s “son” “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA” Trayvon Martin is NOT the 10-12 year old choirboy that the Obama’s racist-baters and left-wing fabricated news depicts!!!

    Remember the negroid racist-baters Al $hapton (remember Tawany Brawley), Je$$e Jack$on and the rest of the lynch mob that the left-wing news fomented during the Duke Lacrosse case where a negroid hooker claimed she was raped by a bunch Caucasian members of the Duke Lacrosse team???

    Remember “mongrel” Obama’s inflamed racially incident after declaring police had ‘acted stupidly’ when arresting his negroid buddy Henry Louis Gates??? Now Obama has thrown his two-bits in about his “son” Trayvon Martin with the handle “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA,”
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/#ixzz1qGztV3LT
    Does “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA,”’s 6’3″ ~170 pounds menacing face in his tweet with his gold teeth look like the choirboy that the left-wing fabricated news depicts???

    “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA” Trayvon Martin was suspend 3 times from school; defacing lockers, caught with a marijuana pipe & baggie and school bag containing 12 women’s jewelry including wedding band, diamond earrings, watch & with screwdriver described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police.

    “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA” Trayvon Martin met his end in Sanford, FL which has one of the highest crime rates in America “compared to all communities of all sizes — from the smallest towns to the very largest cities.” With a population of just over 50,000 Sanford has 59 crimes per square mile, 69 crimes per 1000 residents, and one in 15 for property crimes. The prospect of having your car stolen is one in 255, and the probability of someone becoming a victim of murder, rape, robbery and assault, is one in 150. According to the national Uniform Crime Report for 2009, among people 18 or younger, blacks were charged with 58 percent of murder and non-negligent manslaughter, 67 percent of robberies, 42 percent of aggravated assaults and 43 percent of auto thefts. As for murder, more than 90 percent of the time, their victims were black. These statistics, showing a strong interconnection among race, youth and crime, are a far better explanation for racial profiling and suspicion than simple racism.

    “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA” Trayvon Martin despicable mother Sybrina Fulton is trying to trademark Trayvon slogans so she can capitalize on her sons death.

    To give you an idea of the type of “NO_LIMIT_NIGGA” Trayvon Martin peers in this area instead of being in school learning math, reading, writing and the real history of the USA instead of the lefts politically correct BS they are out on the street with their teacher so as a mob of a 100 or so they can trash & steal from a Walgreen store.

    Are Dwyane Wade, LeBron James & Miami Heat teammates, Ray Lewis of NFL Baltimore Ravens putting up the lynch money for the Black Panthers bounty on George Zimmerman???

    Hollywood negroid Spike Lee put an address & phone number for an old couple on the internet claiming it was George Zimmerman’s with the only obvious reason to create violence or intimidation. The addresses & phone numbers of Lee, the donors of the lynch money, Je$$e Jack$son, Al $harpton, and the Black Panthers should equally put on the internet!!!

    • Tim L.

      Racism is such a sad, stupid thing.

      • hipshotpercusion

        It sure is and one Sarasota, FL resident Shawn Tyson was guilty of it;as well as the cold blooded murder of 2 white British students on vacation. The jury found this 17 year old guilty last week and the judge sentence him to life in prison. Too bad those 2 students didn’t have a gun, they might have had a chance. I wonder what would have happened to Mr. Zimmerman if he hadn’t been armed? Probably another 17 year old black thug going to jail on the taxpayers dime. At least now, we won’t have to pay for 3 hots and a cot for the liitle monster.

      • Robert Smith

        hipshot asks: “I wonder what would have happened to Mr. Zimmerman if he hadn’t been armed?”

        He might have done what he was told by the police.

        He certainly would have been following Neighborhood Watch policy.

        He would not have killed a kid.

        Rob

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        at his age he would have been tried as an adult in many many situations. And racism sucks – as well as reverse racism – or picking and choosing which crime against humanity is offensive, or who we care about as a victim and who we don’t care about as a victim. You can’t pick and choose – all or none.

    • Chester

      Such a Lemon Benton should perhaps do a bit of study before his flapping jaw hits him in the temple and puts a permanent end to his noise.

    • http://burntoffering.wordpress.com BurntOffering

      OK; I want to know; why this Posting has not been removed – You people are really Unbelievable.

      • Kate8

        BurntO – Did you actually read Benton’s post? He was stating FACTS.

        Obviously, you are just another leftie who takes phoney offense whenever the truth involves a minority.

        That you people can’t see the bigger picture here is astounding.

        Or…maybe you can, and you are promoting it.

    • Crystal

      …and you’re a “No-Limit-Cracker.”

      • hipshotpercusion

        I’m proud to be cracker in train. That would be a Florida Cowboy. Yes, Florida is one of the biggest Beef producers in the country. Idiot!

    • Tim L.

      Hipshot apparently missed the point. I might also add that racism, aside from being sad and stupid, is a hallmark of the terminally ignorant.

      • hipshotpercusion

        Whats your point,(personal attack deleted)? A “Cracker” is a Florida cowboy and for your information, (expletive deleted); Florida is a very big Beef producer. Idiot!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      It doesn’t matter how factual your post is. When you present it in such a racist manner, you lose all credibility!

    • Ethel

      This is the type of racist person, that exist all over the USA. I rest my case! You all know that they are everywhere. But you sit back and do nothing about it. You are just as guilty as he is. A freaking coward!!!
      You don’t have to worry about blacks in America, they are the minority. But have you seen China soldiers lately? I would worry more about a real threat! Than a perceived one.

  • Stephanie perdew

    Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin, but he did. This is provocation and throws self defense out the window. I don’t understand why Florida needs a law to insure self defense. Is the law saying one has a right to self defense not enough? Even with this law there should always be an investigation, the person who lives could be lying, or at least fudging the truth. I don’t think Zimmerman is a cold blooded killer. I think he made a very stupid mistake. I am white and all for gun rights. People like Zimmerman make all gun owners look bad. Some people do not know how to properly use guns, and this is part of the discussion we should be having. I learned how to use a gun and gun safety at a young age and I can already see some of the errors he made.

    • http://liberty Tony

      To Stepanie:
      Again, Right on with your statement!! I wish the individuals, who do this website, would see this. Zimmerman was told not to follow, therefore he shouldn’t of followed. True, Trayvon Martin shouldn’t of swung but Zimmerman, however you look at it, brought this problem on himself. Next Benton Blain, get a life will ya!! I swear you sound like the cast and crew from the movie “Deliverance”. Thus, get loss Hoss!!

      • Mike Austin

        You are dumb as a stump. You just said following someone is worse than punching them.

      • KW

        Why don;t you guys do some research and get some information about this case?
        Zimmerman’s story – backed up by more than one eye witness – is that he STOPPED Following Martin when he was told to and returned to his car. Martin had turned and followed Zimmerman, after Zimmerman had lost sight of him, and Martin confronted and then hit Zimmerman about the time he got back to his car.
        ALL, I repeat, ALL of the evidence and witness reports backed Zimmerman’s story, according to interviews and reports released BEFORE them media jumped on this case to start the Obama 2012 compaign.
        Try reading a level headed story about the facts, as known so far – http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/zimmerman_and_ketman.html

      • BGinTN

        KW, did not mention that the map of the neighborhood shows that there is proof that the kid was the aggressor. He was but a 1000 feet from his house he was staying at. Why not go there? Why shot farther away, unless he went after Zimmermann. The un-doctored transcript shows that Zimmermann broke off the following as requested.

      • Tim L.

        KW, you shouldn’t believe everything you read in some racist, right-wing rag.

      • Chester

        It appears that a number of people have missed the initial 911 call where Zimmerman was still in his vehicle when he was advised he did NOT need to follow Martin, that the police would handle that. Once he received that advice, anything else he did or didn’t do was very much on his head. There is NO confirmation as to who approached who or where, but there is evidence that Martin tried running from Zimmerman before anything else went down. Now who was following who? Running from someone sounds so very much like following and attacking, doesn’t it?

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Chester:
        Excellent post. There’s ,also, have been others here with good points and tried to look at both sides. However, the rest of you’ll need to stop watching the late Charles Bronson ” Death Wish movie series” and get in touch with reality. Thanks!!
        P.S. Mike Austin, it’s you, who’s dumb as a stump or a box of rocks. Whatever way, one wants to put it. Good Bye!!

      • Robert Smith

        KW claims: “ALL, I repeat, ALL of the evidence and witness reports backed Zimmerman’s story,”

        Not the screaming part. There is a 99% chance Zimmerman was lying about being the one screaming.

        Try introducing some science. Generally it’s far better than an eye witness, particularly when the witness knows one of those in question.

        Rob

      • Crystal

        If someone were following you on a rainy night, you’d probably swing also. I know I would swing and try to run, but it turned into a fight apparently. All started by a scumbag named Zimmerman, who’s use to breaking laws and getting away with it.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        You shouldn’t believe anything you read in a racist RIGHT wing rag or a racist LEFT wing rag. That’s why everyone should let the authorities sort it out. YOU only know what you read or hear on TV. Even NBC was caught distorting the truth through editing! You have NO reason to believe ANY of it is accurate! You weren’t there!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Robert Smith, you are a liar! A 99% chance he was lying about being the screamer? Considering that an independant forensic expert that reviewed the 911 tape said there was only a 48% chance that Zimmerman was the screamer and that they didn’t even have a sample of Martin’s voice to compare the screams on the tape to…I think I am 100% sure that you are a liar.

      • Robert Smith

        BG says: “He was but a 1000 feet from his house he was staying at.”

        Actually he was closer than that.

        For an aerial look at the site go to: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/02/us/the-events-leading-to-the-shooting-of-trayvon-martin.html

        As for the reliability of eye witness accounts check this one out from the same N.Y. Times article: “A witness account
        Mary Cutcher, a resident near the scene who called 911, said Mr. Zimmerman did not appear to be hurt or wounded. “He was never wiping his face or cleaning,” she said. “If he had a broken nose, I would’ve seen it.” Police have said that Ms. Cutcher’s sworn testimony differed from what she has said later.”

        Rob

    • Mike Austin

      If you can’t see the need fo rthe Stand Your ground law, I hope you never need it.

      • Crystal

        It’s a stupid law.

      • Firewagon

        “It’s a stupid law.”

        As noted in this article: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/2/debunking-the-stand-your-ground-myth/ the “stupid law” does not apply in this case. The confusion is only in the minds of the deceived, uninformed.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I agree with you and I think the day is coming when we’ll need it.

      • vicki

        Crystal says about “stand your ground law”:

        It’s a stupid law.

        What is stupid is the old law where you had to try and run. That only gets you shot in the back.

    • Mark in LA

      Why didn’t trewvon call the police on the suspicious guy he thought was following him? Why didn’t he stear clear of a guy who might be unbalanced? Why did he punch and attack that same guy? It seems the person who started it was Trevon.

      We can play this stupid game all day long.

      • Robert Smith

        “Why didn’t trewvon call the police on the suspicious guy he thought was following him?”

        Yup, a black kid calls and… Makes sense to you and me, but what about the kid?

        Do you really believe a kid is going to call the police with the experience most black teenagers have with the police?

        Rob

      • Crystal

        Martin was also a 17-year old boy. Zimmerman started it. Trayvon was 20 feet from his house. The gated community he was living at is mostly white, but 30% of the people living there are black. Trayvon was exactly where he was suppose to be. Going home and getting out of the rain during half-time.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Robert Smith, now an expert on black kids experience with police, says: “Do you really believe a kid is going to call the police with the experience most black teenagers have with the police?”

        You’re sounding more and more like eddie with every post.

      • michiganminuteman

        Mark, you are right, Trayvon would still be alive if he hadn’t gone up to Zimmerman and hit him. But here is the real kicker, what about the white kid that was covered in gas and set on fire by two black kids who were yelling “thats what you get white boy”. Why no media circus around that case? Did you even here about it? Probably not because that dosen’t fit into anybody’s political agenda. We are all sitting at our PC’s bickering about this smoke sceen instead of talking about all the freedoms that are being systematicly taken from us, as we speak, by the most divisive, crooked, unamerican administration in the history of this nation! The Martin/Zimmerman case is sad, but is nothing compared to the crimes being perpetrated on this nation by the obama administration! He himself said, “don’t let any good crisis go to waste” ! Wake-up people, get orginized and lets take back our country from all these carear polititions who have forgot that they work for us and the Constitution is the supreme law of the land!

      • ToeTagTunny

        I don’t know about ‘starting it’ but if the teen was so close to home (his dad’s gf’s house) why not just go home THEN call 911 and report a deranged stalker was cruzing around the neighborhood and inciting trouble? Seems that would have at least balanced the ordeal. I don’t know any more than I’ve heard (both far right, far left and middle road) but the entire situation would have been resolved with clear heads (on both sides).

      • Adollarsworkapeenyspay

        So here we go! “Do you really believe a kid is going to call the police with the experience most black teenagers have with the police?” Yadda, yadda, yadda!!

        I don’t care how hard you try, the color of your skin can not be detected through a telephone call!! Quit feeding on hate.. Blaming whomever!! This is going to culminate into a national racial knock down-drag out if we don’t stifle this finger pointing and hate mongering.. Meanwhile.. Both sides of our Gubment will continue to pass those unconstitutional bills that will really affect each and every one of us in the near future.. Get’chur mind straight! There’s federal chickens we gotta pluck!!

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “what about the white kid that was covered in gas and set on fire by two black kids who were…”

        And this was where? Are there any names?

        Oh! I have one… Allen Coon. Or is it Allen Goin?

        Looks like a complete fraud to me. It would have been soooooooo easy for the police to get prints from a gas can, but alas there were none. The rest of the story (looks like fiction to me) is so shot full of holes it makes no sense.

        IMO it’s a hoaks created so folks on the extreme right have something to counter the killing by Zimmerman.

        Rob

        • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

          It’s interesting rob, how you decide what’s a hoax and what isn’t yet you’ve charge, tried and are ready to finish Mr. Zimmerman without any hesitation – like you were present and accounted for at all these crimes to determine his guilt. Doesn’t sound like a very educated way of handling guilt or innocence —Sounds like you’re doing the old time witch hunts —-

      • Robert Smith

        No “witch hunt” Liberty.

        There is a 99% chance Zimmerman lied about “screaming.” The audio experts compared his voice on the 911 call to the screams. He ain’t the one making noise.

        He didn’t back off when he was told to.

        He violated Neighborhood watch policy by carrying a gun.

        He has past records of violence.

        He was fired from his security guard job because of his temper.

        And finally, it was his gun in his had that killed the kid.

        When I add it all up it ain’t a witch hunt but looks to me like he should be arrested and get his day in court.

        Rob

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Rob, yes, it is a witch hunt. You yourself have spouted on and on about such things many times and this fits all you moan about and more. Only this time you’re the judge and jury – Personally I have no idea – originally I was behind the young adult – now I’m not so sure since there is so much conflicting gossip, particularly the doctored tapes from the mainstream media. I wouldn’t dream of judging this one in the circus setting witch hunt it appears at this point in time.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        And rob, Trayvon was a young adult, not a child.

      • http://YAHOO CHAR51

        it seems to me he was where he didnt belong. in a gated commuity, late at night,with a dam hoodie in florida not like it was cold,where there had been break ins.with a record that wasnt a good one.if he hadnt been where he wasnt suppost to be, because he didnt live there, didnt know any one there, hed be alive. cant blame every thing on zimmerman. it was just as much his fault. when is people going to take the blame for what they do.a lot of people are right. a race war is coming. the news harly ever puts a fuss over white people getting killed, unless a white kills a black is there a race proublem.time to take respoubily forf what you do.

    • Mark in LA

      Maybe like, all low level thiefs, Trevon was going to the store but had been in the neighborhood many times before and did simple smash and grap heists and was looking for another one when he saw Zimmerman following him. He already knew Zimmermam was a neighborhood watch guy from the grapevine. He was pissed because Zimmerman was keeping him from doing a job and that’s why he punched him.

      Let’s do this all day.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Mark in LA:
        Honestly Sir, get a life!! If you believe that nonsense, then pull my left leg, it plays Jingle Bells. Play my right arm, it whistles DIxie. Of course, you would love a tune such as that!!

      • Robert Smith

        “Of course, you would love a tune such as that!!”

        And pull my finger for an honest opinion about that.

        Rob

      • Crystal

        WRONG! Your story is stupid because Trayvon was staying with his father for 10 days. He lives in Atlanta with his mother. Parents are divorced. Zimmerman murdered Trayvon 20 feet from Trayvon father’s house. Trayvon’s father lives in the gated community. The gated community is 30% black.

  • Chris

    Based on the 911 recording, Zimmerman had no intention of ending his pursuit of Martin. On the recording, Zimmerman stated that this guy was “on something .” Normal people don’t follow strange people around. Zimmerman did so because he had a gun and was ready to use it. That sounds like premeditated murder. Why is it also, people defend Zimmerman’s right to defend himself, but not Martin’s?

    • Raggs

      You people are ALL IDIOTS.
      I suppose that you were there?… You are fueling hate with your stupidity.

      • Gary L

        There are two very important things that are lacking here…truth and reason.
        Without truth, how can there be reason. The media damn sure doesn’t give a damn about truth.
        Lies are told without blinking an eye. People lie all the time and do not think twice about it.
        There is no integrity left anywhere anymore because lying has become so acceptable.

      • daniel

        I suppose Al Sharpton and his ilk is spreading the message of love and tolerance? This discussion should be about the fear mongering and race instigation happening now. If it is not stopped or corrected there will be more victims and it only will get worse and for what? So a few fatheads can go around with an even bigger ring on their finger or a longer limo?

    • hipshotpercusion

      You make the statement…”He had a gun and was ready to use it.” How do you know that? you have no right to prejudge anyone! i live in FL and i carry a gun legally. i would hate to have to use it, but being a disabled person;if threatened i will because i can’t physically defend myself. That being said, i would still hate to use it, but I would hate being dead more. Get the drift? Or, are you completely brain dead?

    • Crystal

      Chris you’re absolutely correct.

      • oldnyfirefighter

        Crystal, if he lives in Atlanta with his Mom, how was he suspended from school in Miami? It sounds like you are misinformed, not other posters.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        oldnyfirefighter, no, we’re all just stupid and Crystal, like Robert Smith, is an expert at gathering intel from the MSM and coming to a rock solid and accurate conclusion.

      • eddie47d

        If he was suspended from school for 10 days and his mother was working then MAYBE she sent him down to Miami for those 10 days to be looked after.

      • Crystal

        According to Fox News this past Sunday, April 1, 2012, Trayvon was suspened from school in Atlanta, GA. His mother sent him to stay with his father for ten days — the duration of the suspension. Now if Fox News was WRONG, let us all know.

  • Big Al Wickman

    If Zimmermann was following Martin, how come the altercation took place BACK at Zimmermann’s car? Concurrently, what was Zimmerman looking at to be hit in the back of his head?

    Big Al

    • Raggs

      Zimmermann’s dad did an interveiw on Hannity last night explaining something like this.
      Martin was walking around the housing complex, zimmermann lost sight of martin.
      martin walked up on zimmermann as zimmerman was heading back to his car after being told not to pursue…

      • Crystal

        Zimmerman’s father wasn’t there.

    • oldnyfirefighter

      According to G. Zimmerman, he was punched in the nose & knocked down. Martin was banging Zimmerman’s head on the sidewalk, the reason for the laceration on the back of his head. After being attended to by a Fire Co. EMT, he signed off on going to the hospital to have it stitched. This is common procedure when someone doesn’t want to go to the ER for followup treatment. He opted to go on his own the following morning – which would be too late to have stitches if the EMT thought they were needed.

  • Average Joe

    This case has been nothing more than propaganda used to sell a product…….

    http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=105&load=6805

    Enjoy!

    • dee bray

      One thing we know for sure is that the new black panters, are a bunch of hateful racist people, who have a “WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE” contract on George Zimmerman, with out knowing the facts,and when will Obamma speak out , and tell them this is unamerican,or is he relishing in all of this hate, hoping it will get him votes from the black population,how sad it is that he has not come forward , to stop all this. WE need a president who stands up for all american’s,and does not want to see america divided.

  • Steve E

    I don’t have an opinion because I don’t know all the facts.

    • Average Joe

      Probably the most intelligent comment so far about this event….Thank you!

  • Torch n Pitchforks

    The thug got what he deseved!

    Good Riddance!

    • Crystal

      The thug got away with mujrder so far. I hope they arrest the thug (Zimmerman) soon! You should join him.

      • oldnyfirefighter

        Where is Sharpton’s & JJ’s rage about the two British Citizen Tourists that were shot in cold blood by a 16yr old “black” kid because they got lost walking back to their Motel in Sarasota, Fl. Answer, they never will because they can’t make a race issue out of it, even though they were targeted because they were white & mistakenly in the wrong place. His “Thug” sister (21yrs) was also just arrested for threatening a witness against her brother. They will both be in prison, but you won’t hear a peep from Sharpton or JJ, because they can’t play the victimized minority crap.

      • Crystal

        Oldfighter, where’s your rage? Sharpton and Jackson have only one agenda. That’s to keep Black people from succeeding by blowing racism out of every corner. I grew up with the older generation constantly telling us how the white man keeps us down. What does that mean to a 6-year old child. I grew up on the Southside of Chicago and Jackson was continuously coming to our highschool. I moved away not only for a job change, but for my son’s benefit. I do not want someone following and shooting my son simply because he’s a Black male. I love my son just a much as you all love your children.

        Now if you want some real outrage. Four Black Marines at Camp Pendelton went to Temecula and murdered a White Marine who just got back from Iraq and his Black wife. Before they assasinated the two of them, they raped her in front of him. When they ran the story on the news, they said nothing about their color. When I found out what their color was I sent out hundreds of flyers all over the community and to all the churches I could. The defense attorneys used it was just a robbery excuse. Had this been four white Marines who killed a Black Marine and his WHITE wife, we’d hear about it until the end of time. Apparently, murdering Black women isn’t any real big deal either.

      • Robert Smith

        From old: “they got lost walking back to their Motel in Sarasota, Fl.

        No, they were shot in Sarasota. They were staying at Longboat Key, 12 miles away.

        Folks are very confused how Cooper and Murray were in that neighborhood. There is speculation ranging from they were trying to buy drugs to they were kidnapped.

        Rob

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        or they could have just been tourists and wondering around for miles – I’ve done that many times and never felt afraid because you don’t know what area is wrong or right or dangerous when you are a tourist. Not necessarily smart, but certainly not uncommon. And not like you’re walking around the slums of Chicago —

  • Alfredo

    The entire nation is a victim of all the crimes that have been caused by blacks. That is how it should read.

    • Crystal

      Then it would turn into historical to this date of crimes committed against Black people by whites. It would start in the hulls of slaveships.

      Be careful what you want for.

      • oldnyfirefighter

        True, by black slavers that put them in the ships. The same ones that are still operating in Africa today – mostly black ethnic Arabs.

      • hipshotpercusion

        All the slave ships were owned and operated by Zionist Jews from spain and Portugual, with the help of Arab slavers from Kenya. As a matter of fact, Barack Obamas Fore Fathers. Ignorant person, you are!

      • michiganminuteman

        Crystal,you really should quit while there is some question about your lack of understanding abnout what is happening here, or just your lack of intelligence. See……now you idiots have me doing it! Stop all this bulls*%# and start thinking about your kids and grandkids! What kind of country are we fools going to leave them if we can’t get together and save our Republic from this Communist take over. Get a clue people! When the history books are written in 50 or 100 years who will altimatly get the blame for loosing this country to a bunch of communist thugs? We will! The people of this time will be held responsible for letting our Republic be stolen from us because of appethy (wish I had a spell checker)and self preoccupation. The men that gave us this Republic with the sacrifice of their lives and property are spinning in their graves!!!!!

  • Ernaldo T

    The negros have again been played for saps by the media, administration and those illustrious black leaders. There are no innocents here, Martin, Zimmerman, the police, the DA, NBC, and everyone tossing their uninformed opinions are wrong and this idiotic event will set afros back years. Young negros are getting murdered all over the nation, DAILY, and what do the news services want to concentrate on? If I were a hard working, honest, tax paying and law abiding black, I’d be ticked off…..

    • Crystal

      Your a racist pig dog. We’re not negroes, we’re Black.

      • TML

        Negro means ‘black’ in Spanish

      • oldnyfirefighter

        Since you were not born in Africa, you are not African either, you are American of black heritage. AKA American Citizen. Color is inconsequential & shouldn’t matter.

      • Crystal

        Don’t act dumb. We all know that Negro is black in Spanish and it was Jackson who tried to throw that African American crap down our throats. We’re Black.

      • TML

        Just figured you didn’t know that or something… even MLK referred to his race as Negro. Back then it was a less offensive word that saying “black”, so I’m guessing times have done a 180 and negro is now more offensive than saying black. I think the point is, however, that saying negro doesn’t make one racist pig dog.

  • KW

    Politicians, media and all the professional racists PROFIT from keeping the races at each other’s throats.
    I would have thought most of the people who read the stuff at this website were smart enough to see and understand this, and might try to explain to the constantly inflamed race how the above professional racists do it.
    Apparently I am woefully wrong.
    We also need to – with a calm voice and level head – explain to the constantly inflamed race that because less than 2% of the population – black men between 15 and 25 – commit about 75% of the violent crime, everyone, especially their favorite victims – other blacks – NEED to be very concerned when they see a young black man, in a hoodie, acting suspiciously. We did not designate the hoodie as a sign of being bad – THEY did.
    Seeing reality is NOT racism – Speaking truth is NOT bigotry

    • Average Joe

      WOOT! Telling it like it is!
      KUDOS!!!!

    • eddie47d

      Blacks in America have had to deal with institutionalized racism for centuries. When blacks are killed and dissapear into the night over a long period of time it’s hard to forget who did it to them. Maybe they now have a bunker mentality and feel they will never get a fair shake. There is still much healing that needs to be done to overcome those ingrained fears and everyone has them. Time to start accepting our racial differences and shed ourselves of past bigotries.

    • Crystal

      A hoodie is not a threat, but to whitey a newborn black male infant is a threat to you. You’re so emasculated.

      • Average Joe

        Crystal, Stop being a rascist….IDIOT!…You are not being part of the solution with your silly rants…YOU ARE THE PROBLEM…..it’s not your color…it’s your ATTITUDE….PERIOD!
        If Bob bans my word, I’ll understand…but don’t take this out of context….
        “N—–” is not a color…it is an attitude, akin to Trailer Park trash…if you display the attitude…your color is of no consequence…..as ye sow, so shall ye reap.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Average Joe,

          That is one of the banned words.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Average Joe

        “but to whitey a newborn black male infant is a threat to you.”

        Funny that you would say that…considering how many Black infants are aborted every year in this country…more than any other ethnicity ( and you thought Planned Parenthood was your friend)…..are you sure that you are not afraid of your own race?…Please Espain thees tu us Lucy……..

      • Average Joe

        BobL,
        I kind of figured and was prepared for tthe change.
        I try to stay within reason…but sometimes, I just have to say it like it is.
        It is a shame when the people of a nation become afraid of….mere words.

        Thank you Bob and keep up the Exellent work you do here!

      • Crystal

        Never thought Planned Parenthood was my friend. Didn’t abort any children either.

  • HD

    It may turn out that Zimmerman skates on this…if so, maybe Florida will enact a law on stupidity. At the very least, Zimmerman’s actions were stupid, immature, and careless. For this, he would be found guilty on all counts. Such a senseless tragedy!

    • Average Joe

      Skate’s?…You mean…if the evidence exhonorates him?…In other words if the evidence supports his claims…rather than what “you” think it should support, wel thenl…that’s just stupid and we should still convict him on all counts? With thinking such as yours…God help us all………………….

      Evidence? We don’t need no stinking evidence! String him up…it’ll teach him a lesson………..

      You SIR( Madam?)………………Are an IDIOT! (and I am being very civil in my discription)

      • Tim L.

        And you, Joe, are displaying your racist ignorance as usual. It’s amazing that people like you have so much stupid hatred that you can’t see the tragedy in what has happened. I truly hope you don’t have any children.

      • Average Joe

        Tim L.,
        Lost?…Take a wrong turn in Alberquerqe?
        There was absolutely nothing “rascist” about my my comment…as a matter of fact, to avoid rascially motivated ignoramuses like you from making asinine comments…such as yours….I purposefully did not make it a racial issue…. But low and behold, what happens? Some lamebrain, with an IQ apparently smaller than his shoe size……and make my comment somehow a racial issue…What a Maroon!……Please watch out for the thing under your bed…….and adjust the tinfoil hat……

        A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
        Douglas Adams

  • Smithkowitz

    All he (Mr. Z.) had to do, was stay in his vehicle with the doors locked and follow the man. Stay on the phone with 911 till an officer of the law arrived at the scene. This entire fiasco and senseless death was avoidable.

    • Crystal

      Now this is the most intelligent comment made here.

    • oldnyfirefighter

      Martin was behind the buildings, not on the road or sidewalk adjacent to it. Since he didn’t have an ATV, he couldn’t follow him – there was no road.

      • Smithkowitz

        Zimmerman was told not to follow him. In a sense, he was stalking Trayvon. If Trayvon did jump him, then it was in self defense.He was being followed and didn’t know why. Then the guy starts running after him. Listen to the 911 tapes. He is running, he sounds like he is breathing hard. And then there is this somewhat metallic sound in the background while he’s speaking to the police dispatch; could it be the sound of him racking the slide on his weapon?

    • Rick

      was he on a pblic sidewalk? YES did he have a legal reson he was not allowed on that sidewalk NO thenb he had every right to be there. As long as he did ont physicall assault the Guy then he violated not law and therefore had every reason to expect not to be attacked. WHen he was assaulted he had every right to defend himself. It was a hard sad lesson this kid learned when you don’t know who is armed always be polite.Evenb the police chief stated the dispatcher had no authority to tell h8inm what to do.

      • Smithkowitz

        Stalking is against the law, it is also not against to law to defend yourself if you feel threatened. That’s what the “Stand Your Ground” law is about. Trayvon was defending his life against someone he felt was after him. Who initiated the incident: his name starts with the last letter of the Alphabet – Z

  • Gary

    If Martin had been white, there would be NO story………………
    If Both men had Black or Both men Hispanic there would be NO story……
    This whole thing is total garbage…………..

    • firefight

      Gary,
      Unique perspective.

      Wonder if anyone will get that. : )

  • firefight

    Well, it does seem like sides are being chosen and we can see the two obvious sides. I’ve been trying to catch all I can from ABC, NBC, CBS as well as Fox about this incident and all three are fueling the fire but with different types of fuel. Now, how do we filter out the BS when we have 4 diferent news organizations feeding us conflicting information? I think that is the point. If the “left wing biased media” wants us comfused, that’s how they do it. When people don’t have the facts, they are confused and thus are denied the opportunity to an appropriate opinion or response. Right now, we have bits and pieces to work with and none of this is enough for any kind of righteous decision about Treyvon or Zimmerman. Both men have been painted as problematic. Zimmerman, as a man with a short fuse that has had confrontations with law enforcement and Martin as teenager who has been expelled from school for posession of drug items and defacing school property. At the same time, both men have been portrayed as saintly. Martin as a young high school athlete with a much younger picture portraying youth and innocense and Zimmerman as a person who has spent much of his time working with black kids in a kind of mentoring program. So, the two individuals meet one night under less than ideal conditions and now one of them is dead. Are we to believe that the meeting brought out the worst in both of these men or only in one of them? Are we to go with past statistics provided by local law enforcement from Dade Country and the FBI or are we to believe the rantings from Jesse Jackson, Al Shrpton and the NAACP? My point here is that we really jnow nothing because none of us were there to witness what actually happened and now we have to deal with everyone who comes out from under their rocks with their personal agendas.

    Right now, I can’t do anything about Treyvon or Zimmerman. What I need to do is focus on how Obama and the anti-gun lobby uses this incident to further their “more gun control” agenda, which they surely will. I need to focus on how the NAACP, the ACLU and the left will use this to further supresss and discredit whites. That in itself is the most racial agenda in this country and it is being supported by this government. We need to see that we are a people who need to unite rather than be separated by all of these black vs white groups. As long as we allow them to convince any of us that our color is more superior than any other color, we will remain divided. Remember how Hitler convinced the people of Germany that the arien race was superior to all others? What did that do for the Jews? Even then, there were only a handful of Germans who were in fact pure blooded Germans. Like us, they were all kinds of people living in one country yet they allowed one person to corrupt them. We must not make the same mistake here with Obama. Look at what he and his administration are doing and use good sense. Don’t let them make decisions for you.

  • Raggs

    This all stems from the DHS telling us “see something say something”… They have turned the people of our country against each other with their paranoid schizophrenia…
    This administration has created this, they have fueled this and propagandized this… All of the sheeple are blaming the wrong person, we should be placing the blame where it belongs… With this administration crushing the economy things are probably going to get much worse which in turn always raises crime levels.

  • sabulaman

    Read the article in the Orlando Sentinal on 4/2 about the two black men that drug a white man out of his car, beat him in the head with a hammer, and then stole his car. It happened about 6 miles from the Martin/Zimmerman scene. What? You haven’t heard about this? ….. This is all about gun control. Gun laws. Stand your ground. Nothing more.

  • 2WarAbnVet

    Trayvon is not a symbol, he is an excuse – an excuse for Sharpton, Jackson, Obama, and the lib/socialist media to incite race hatred, further their agendas, and make the opposition cower in fear.
    Last year a teen-age Shawn Tyson (black) murdered two British tourists (white) who got lost and wandered into his Florida neighborhood. Did white people riot and go bats**t in the streets? Did Rush, Sean, or Neal call for Shawn’s death? Did thousands all over the country encourage kangaroo justice? The answer is no to all, and I’ll leave it to you to determine the difference in these cases.

    • Crystal

      Zimmerman is Hispanic.

    • hipshotpercusion

      Shawn Tyson was sentenced to life in prison last week. he was 16 at the time he murdered those to “Crackers” as he called them. Now the tax payers in MY State get to pay an estimated $45,000 a year for this mutt to be in prison. a well placed bullet would have been a lot cheaper, or a long drop on a short rope.

      • Tim L.

        I don’t have a problem with guns. I have a problem with morons with guns, because they will inevitably find an excuse to use them.

      • Average Joe

        Tim L,
        So, are you telling us that …you own no guns…nor should you be allowed to own any guns?
        Hey!…it a legitimate question……just sayin’

      • Mark in LA

        Is he also going to be charged by the feds for a “hate crime” offense – No. Why not?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000182806261 Larry

    when a black kills another black where are the demo’s and when a black kills a white person you don’t see the whites demonstrating against the blacks. the blacks need to keep j. jackson, sharpton and those others who want to take the law into their own hands out of the picture and let the law the jury and the judge to the job.

  • Bob Rice

    Hi,I dont know exactly what happened between George and Travon,lets wait until the investigation is complete,BEFORE there is a rush to judgement,There should be a law,Designed to keep rabble rousers from these type of situations,sharpton and jackson,should go home,and keep their collective pie holes SHUT,until the facts become known.BTW,WHERE did they get the title REVEREND????do they have a church? how do they have an income?who is supporting them? oreo or sosas???

  • ConcernedVet

    Just wondering..,
    If you reversed the colors of both men, Zimmerman dead and Martin released on lack of evidence, and everyone called for HIS arrest, Woo Boy would the blacks be screaming racism then.

    I guess that’s why there is a shoe to fit a left foot and one for a right foot…

    • http://liberty Tony

      To ConcernedVet:
      Regardless, whoever did it would be guilty of constitutional violations along with disobeying an order from 911, who are trained by law enforcement to give the most accurate advice in a situation. Thanks!!

      • Mark in LA

        Are you nuts? The people who answer 911 calls are not anything like you say. Making crap up to suit your side of the story doesn’t help.

      • firefight

        Tony,
        911 staff is not trained by police. On that note, Zimmerman was never told to back off nor was he told by the 911 dispatcher not to follow Martin. What he was told was that he did not need to follow Martin since they had contaced law enforcement to respond. Anyone with half a brain knows that law enforcement’s response time is totally unpredictable. They might be there in 10 minutes, 30 minutes or, as in some cases, not show up at all. THAT IS REALITY! But, Zimmerman was NEVER given an “order” to not follow the subject and if the dispatcher had, it would not be a lawful one since a dispatcher is not the law and has no such authority. Why does everyone keep going on about the 911 dispatcher like he or she was the ultimate authority on what Zimmerman was or was not supposed to do? If Zimmerman was part of a neighborhood watch program, he was but one individual among several or many who volunteered to walk the subdivision at a specified time to try and curtail crime in that neighborhood. Now, we know what Zimmerman was doing there. Did Martin live in that neighborhood and if not, what the hell was he doing walking through it at that hour and with a hoodie, which we see all the time being used by individuals to conceal their identity in crimes all over the nation? Like all of you, I can only speculate as to what happened but the way it all stacks up at this point, it doesn’t look good for Martin”s side. Plus, I hope his momma doesn’t make a dime off all the shirts and stuff she’s trying to get copywrited. What kind of mother does something like that and what kind of kid would someone like that raise in the first place?

  • Dens

    “If you ever are attacked, make sure you are of the same race before you defend yourself”? I don’t think so. This trumped up case changes nothing as far as I am concerned. I will shoot anyone and I mean anyone, black, white or in between who attempts to harm my family, myself or my neighbors.

    George Zimmerman is a man I respect. He was looking out for his neighborhood which is why he spotted the punk in the hoodie and became suspicious. Martin, who was looking for trouble, else he would not be wearing a hoodie in warm weather, became violent when someone who he thought was “white” dared to challenge him.

    He likely thought because George was much shorter than he that he had a good opportunity to beat hell out of a “white” guy, and get away with it, like so many cocky young blacks do these days. They take great pride in knocking out their white victims with one sucker punch, usually from behind. He was fatally wrong. He was having his way with little George until George pulled his equalizer and saved himself from possibly being beaten to death.

    I have no respect for anyone who wears a hoodie around the neighborhood when it’s hot outside or troublemaking parasites like Jackson, Sharpton, the NAACP and the Communist Congressional Black Caucus but George Zimmerman is a man I would like to meet and say, Gracias Amigo.

    Too many blacks think they can get away with anything and get what they want, which is something for nothing, if they scream loud enough and threaten enough violence. They do this even when they know they are in the wrong. It is a game they love playing since it has been very profitable for them and (they think) only hurts “whites”. Problem is, more and more whites see this as behavior which should no longer be tolerated.

    Many whites have decided that if blacks want to threaten a race war to get their way then lets do it. We will see who is left standing. Either America becomes a giant Detroit or South Africa under black rule or goes back to it’s European American roots and becomes a sucessful, thriving Country abiding by it’s Constitution again. Perhaps a race war would be a good thing.

    • http://liberty Tony

      Dear Dens:
      It’s stupidity such as this to why we have these problems. If people wouldn’t have these views, then this tragedy wouldn’t of taken place. Say, General Custer had the same views before his battle at the little Big Horn in 1876. Also, the Nazis said the samething before the battle of Stalingrad in 1943. Guess what happened, think about that for abit, if you can. Finally, if you look at stats. whites commit twice as many murders as blacks, what does that tell you about “European roots civilization” !?!

      • Average Joe

        “Finally, if you look at stats. whites commit twice as many murders as blacks, what does that tell you about “European roots civilization” !?!”

        I would think that would be the case, considering that the “Black”population only accounts for approx. 12.2% of the US population, while the “White” population accounts for 64.7%. So, I would expect a larger number of murders as a whole.
        What you fail to adress is the statistics concerning black on black crime, black on white crime vs. white on white crime and white on black crime.

        By Patrick J. Buchanan

        Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to. This time, the silent majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

        First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

        Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the black American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
        We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

        Barack talks about new ‘ladders of opportunity’ for blacks. Let him go to Altoona, Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for ‘deserving’ white kids ? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for black Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the black American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

        Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

        As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

        Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

        We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

        Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago. This needs to be passed around because, this is a message everyone needs to hear !

        OK will you pass it on ?

        YES. I did but will you?

        Because I’m for a better America.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Average Joe:
        First of all, get your Stats straight. Black people are 15% of the U.S. pop. not 12.2%. Look at http://www.blackdemographics.com and you’ll see this. Next, whites commit 54% of all crimes, blacks commit 28%. True, that’s twice more per capita than black people’s representation in the general American pop. In addition, i will agree with you, black people have a high crime rate, have embraced a culture of irresponsibility, futility along with immaturity. Furthermore, you’re right too, that America is the best country for black people, actually for all beings regardless of race,color, gender, orientation, or creed. Excuse the chauvanism but the truth is the truth!!. However, the point i’m getting across that this case of George Zimmerman is not acceptable. He shouldn’t of gotten involved. Therefore, he brought this trouble on himself. Then to individuals such as Dens, this character needs to be locked up in an insane asylum. His bizarre views are causing all these distortions. Alright, thanks for your time!!

      • Average Joe

        Hey Tony,
        From the Kaiser Foundation….per the 2010 Census….Just because you read it on a site just because it says blackwhateverdtcom…..as for the rest of your diatribe….don’t buy a vowel…buy a clue.

        http://facts.kff.org/chart.aspx?ch=364

      • http://liberty Tony

        Say Average Joe:
        Look who’s talking, when it comes to having or not having a clue!?! Fare thee well!!

  • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

    Just show any case going back a long way, that a black was involved in any big time crime and known to be guily that they owned up to any wrong doing. Anita Brawley, O.J.Simpson , Tyson , ,and countless others .. That includes the one that sits in our capital , He knows that every one knows he is an imposter, but own up to it? The black has an automatic shield protecting him from public opinion, Race,, And the selected scum they allow to lead that trash heap ,Al Sharpton , Jessie Jackson Farrican . You know without a doubt who they are, Then we have a news media that publishes nothing but the truth… Its no wonder we have so many skulls in a vaccume. Just reading some of these articles gives you a clue They degrade anyone that dissagrees with them as if they are the only ones that know the circumstances , and any one that dissagrees are the crimminals. For one thing lets look at the facts, What in the hell was that nice little innocent child doing wandering thru a gated community at that time of day if it was so innocent. If someone of our community watch organization failed to get a suspect out of there or shoot the idiot he would be in big trouble.. That is why you trust someone to help watch your back. This goes to all you gun hating lefties out there that think its so terrible to get someone shot, just snoop around our nieborhood at night where you have no buisness at all and see if you can stand your ground.. Im shure you would be very well airiated before you got a block away……

  • http://burntoffering.wordpress.com BurntOffering

    Here are the facts; over a month ago the Police took into custody George Zimmerman after he admitted killing Trayvon Martin in self defence. Although the police investigator believed he had probable cause to arrest Zimmerman for some sort of murder, after a conversation with the States Attorney Zimmerman was released. After the parents questioned why Zimmerman was released and asked Al Sharpton to get involves; the Police Chief went on National Television saying and I quote “that there was No probable cause to arrest” Zimmerman. So the Outrage in America is about the fact; Zimmerman is an Adult and had a 9 mil gun when he pursued the Minor Trayvon. The 911 tape shows the Police told him not to follow the kid, but he did and moments later the boy was dead.

    His dead body stayed in the morge for 3 days, although the police report shows they had his name, date of birth etc. So the Police department either added, or changed what they had. The State’s attorney
    recused himself knowing He was the one who said; Let Him Go” we wont get a conviction, and the police chief received a Vote of No Confidence from the town council. There has always been Probable Cause in this Cause, and the fact He is Still Not Arrested is a Shame bbefore the GOD this nation claims to Trust. People want to say its not a Black or White thing; is a matter of Right and Wrong. Whereas I ssay its Both! A Black thing and Wrong that has been Ignored by White ffolks for too long. So now its easier for the Great White Right Wing to blame the black victim for wearing a Hoodies, having a sweet tooth and just another way to act like President Obama should have kept quiet about it.

    • Rebecca

      Where did you get this insight? From the media? THERE is the problem.

      • http://burntoffering.wordpress.com BurntOffering

        The problem is Rebecca is when Poeple like you answer their own questions and REFUSE to SEE Truth or the FACTS right in front of your face

  • http://drbacc@yahoo.com Jerry Mabry

    Why do we keep hearing about Zimmerman following Trayvon. Isn’t that what security vehicles and neighborhood watches do? He had every right and even an obligation as part of a neighborhood watch team to observe and inspect and protect the neighborhood. You can’t do that from a 100 yards away. Countless times I have been either running or even walking fast in parking lots, around apartment complexes, etc. and have been approached and watched and/or questioned. It is not violating someone’s rights (or any particular race) if a patrol car pulls up near by or even asks a few questions, Especially if you are in an area that is higher risk or has had recent illegal activities. Checking things out, even if it is disproportionally one race is not stalking or aggressive by itself. Any reasonable person knows when a patrol car, security or neighborhood watch pulls up, even if the car is not clearly marked, is there for safety and security of all…and is not likely to be mistaken for a drive by shooter. Even if a person living in the neighborhood was suspicious because of recent activities and pulled up to observe or ask a question is not violating anyone’s rights. (And, the fact that he was wearing a hood…however innocently, projects a concealed, menacing image, looming larger in the dark, with a public conditioned by years of viewing film recordings of robberies and assaults by hooded perpetrators.) I am sure that at times it can be irritating for anyone, without ill intent, to be followed. And if a patrol car does pulls up and you make defensive moves…hiding or running or, feel dissed or insulted, asking, What the F—are you following me for? That only heightens normal suspicion. It is likely that Zimmerman asked him if he lived around here. Had Trayvon been in some gang territory or dangerous place…that would be a different story. Why, didn’t Trayvon say… what I said to a policeman who “hasseled” me (doing his duty) when I stopped my car to empty some trash in a dumpster.,,Why are you following me? “You got a problem with that?” said the policeman. Yes Sir, I do. I live here. End of story. Why, because I didn’t break and run, didn’t curse the policeman, didn’t decide to rush and knock down the policeman because I was angry, stronger and quicker and thought I could take him and teach him a lesson. So much depends on your attitude and understanding of why security does what they do without self victimization Does anyone see it as a personal affront is you were walking through the wealthiest neighborhoods in Hollywood, with or without a hood? And wouldn’t it be normal to answer inquiries from patrol cars, armed or unarmed? .Even though Zimmerman was “aggressive” enough to follow through and disobey the dispatcher, was the dispatcher his superior and did he still retain the option of making that on the spot decision? Notice, the dispatcher did not emphatically tell him to withdraw. “We don’t need you to follow him.” Even if he was and he violated standard procedure, that is a far cry from violating someone’s civil rights by doing what security personnel and neighborhood watch people do…observe, report…and just by their presence alone (establishing a presence)…wards off and discourages an illegal activity or crime does not occur. We are all flooded with racially charged and motivated descriptions of what happened out there,..one reports that Trayvon had on several occasions, stolen jewelry of a small amount in malls, etc. and speedly fled on foot. ??? But people coming out like Sharpton and others…saying he was shot down like as rabid dog in the street, sets up public and racial group’s expectations of Zimmerman being convicted. And if he is not…it feeds the belief that justice can never be done and it is all because of rampant racism. What if the special prosecutor finds he was acting withing the law and decides not to bring the case to the jury? Have self-serving racial agitators so set the stage for the belief that no matter how this plays out, it will be seen as just another denial of justice as in the old days with the inevitable street riots to follow? NBC did not help when they purposely (no small mistake) decided to edit the conversation between Zimmerman and the dispatcher to make it look like Zimmerman was racially profiling him and suspicious because he was black…when in fact, he was responding to questions being asked by the dispatcher. Then ABC chose not to show that part of the film recording which clearly showed a gash or injury? on the back of his head…effectively distorting the news and all journalistic standards….what is the news agenda? Notice…early on, they did not miss the opportunity to cast this as a white vs. black story, by mentioned that Zimmerman was half white…as someone said…if Zimmerman had won the Nobel Prize would the news have taken pains to mention that he was half white. I think not. All this misleading news distortion feeds and agitates and inflames racial animosity…and that, I think, is the real story, and maybe even a greater tragedy, a national tragedy eclipsing that of the unfortunate death of a young man and a life changing incident that will haunt Zimmerman’s life in a thousand ways for the remainder of his life. The whole thing does not portend progress in racial understanding, except for the fact that unlike in times past, however slowly, justice will be prevail…but it won’t be easy and maybe not even recognized or believed if the race baiters have their way….

    • http://burntoffering.wordpress.com BurntOffering

      You keep hearing about it because it’s against the By laws of Neighborhood Watchers to Carry a Gun! Zimmerman obviously did more than watch and follow Trayvon, who had a Right to be on the Property; and A Right Not to respond to a strange Man who was following Him or ever said He was a neighborhood watcher. Zimmerman is/was Not a police officer but maybe if His daddy wasnt a Judge, he wouldnt have gotten the felony charge for Attacking a Police reduced. How come now Zimmerman has had two lawyers, but none of them have set tyese on him and still Why was He Let Go after killing a kid yelling for Help in cold Blood. Enough is Enough is Right and if Zimmerman is Not Arrested and Charged with Something, I feel sorry for some of yall.

      • Rebecca

        Are you making threats now? And you want to know why citizens are armed? THAT’s WHY!

      • http://burntoffering.wordpress.com BurntOffering

        No threat at all; Just A Promise because I know History repeats itself or What goes around comes around” especially when White folk have been scared every since they 1st met the Indians; tried to enslave them until they could import new ones. Unfortunately for some; they will never change their hearts or minds because they turned their backs on the wills of Abraham Lincoln a long time ago, and still Know Not What They Do or Have Done in the Name of the Lord.

      • hipshotpercusion

        How do you know Mr. Zimmerman was not allowed to carry his gun? Florida has a law that supersedes any local firearm regulation. At best, there might have been a policy like that, but it would have had no force or affect.

        • http://burntoffering.wordpress.com BurntOffering

          According to the Florida Neighborhood Watch Organization – Guns are strictly forbidden so No Neighborhod watcher is suppose to carry a gun while on duty. Funny how after calling 9/11 for trash, loiterors, and people who leave their garage door open, Zimmerman was never changed for abusing the 9/11 EMERGENCY System.

      • Average Joe

        Rebecca ,

        Ignore the musings of yet another armchair lawyer (BO) …who has all of the facts…even though he has no personal involvement in the case at all….and was not on scene when the event took place. Just another poser (yes, POSER) wanting to puff up their chest and proclaim to the world “Don’t read too deeply into my words of wisdom…for I am an Idiot”

      • http://burntoffering.wordpress.com BurntOffering

        1st off, I am a She not a He. 2ndly. I saw the police chief on TV say the things I wrote he said. Dont get mad at me because I have gone by the facts; and never believed what His Daddy, Brother, or So Called Uncle Friend had to say about Zimmerman. You would think if He were innocent; he would at least met with the lawyers representing him. So far all we’ve got are People for Zimmerman with Hear Say Evidence; which is not admissable. Fortuntately; what All those witnessess said Zimmermen told them is admissable for the Prosecution because they all claim; this is what Zimmerman told them.

      • Average Joe

        “Fortuntately; what All those witnessess said Zimmermen told them is admissable for the Prosecution because they all claim; this is what Zimmerman told them.”

        If this is true, it would be called “Hearsay”…and is not permissible as evidence in any court of law that I know of.

        Armchair Lawyering is not a good occupation for you…try thumb twiddling or possibly finger painting, I think you’ll have much better results in trying to peddle your product.

      • Rebecca

        “White Folks”….That in and of itself is racism! You don’t have any idea what “all white folks” think or stand for….you are sterotyping the same as what you are preaching against. But that’s okay right? Because you think that that you are owed something because way back when some of your ancestors were slaves? Come on now….you, yourself were never a slave and I never owned one. I could be sitting here whining about my American Indian relatives being run off their land but that is HISTORY and we can’t do anything but try to improve things NOW. STOP playing the race card! It’s OLD and it’s TIRED. You aren’t being discriminated against and neither are any of your people. HOWEVER, several years ago my daughter was denied admission to a public school because she was WHITE….I was told that because of the black/white/hispanic ratio she would have to go to a more balanced school. If that is not reverse discrimination I don’t know what is.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        BurntOffering says:
        No threat at all; Just A Promise because I know History repeats itself or What goes around comes around” especially when White folk have been scared every since they 1st met the Indians

        I say: you better hope you don’t run into someone with a 45, in a state with a “stand your ground” law. Threats like this will just lead to more people being armed, and rightly so! You need to let the authorities do their job and stop threatening and intimidating people!

        • http://burntoffering.wordpress.com BurntOffering

          Let the authorities do their job such as Letting Zimmerman Go claiming there was No Probable Cause? You had better PRAY that Black people in those 20+ states dont start killing every White person they see because they techincally are the Only One Say They felt threatened for their lives; especially since the Cops uusally get off. When that happens; and there is not Outcry, than I’ll believe Things are Fair.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        Do not wrap your hate around my religion. It might be said that those in the 60s and earlier knew not what they did (past tense), but no one today is doing anything at all.

        The only thing that is going to come from all this is that more blacks are going to get killed. After the Martin incident, white males (Zimmerman wasn’t even white) have been viciously attacked by blacks in a number of incidents. All actions have reactions. You’re crazy if you think people won’t start using more deadly force with blacks from now on if they even think they’re being threatened.

      • oldnyfirefighter

        About 80% of what you said is all supposition & wishful thinking on your part. A witness said it was Zimmerman yelling for help. Get him to retract that statement & I may consider your scenario, maybe. Let the DA or Grand Jury do their job. It is they, not you or I, unless you are on that jury. Less BS & more facts, which by the way neither of us have.

    • michiganminuteman

      Jerry, I have to say, that was the most factually and even handedly expressed post I have seen on this highly politisized (oh I wish for spell check), ratially charged and totally unnessary shooting.

    • Ethel

      Jerry,sounds like you have already sided with Zimmerman. I would like to see the ER medical record of this so called broken nose, because clearly he didn’t have any bruises on his head or face. No grass on his clothes, no dark blood stains on his clothes. I’m not convinced the cops didn’t let him go home and change before coming to the police station. No problem getting out of the police car,even though his brother claims he was beat so badly etc.. Give me a freaking break! That guys story has changed so much,he can’t be sure what he said last. That’s how lies are, they keep changing. If you tell the truth, you don’t have to keep changing your story. Even the witnesses stories have changed. I believe what was first said,before they had time to be offered money or told to change their stories. Zimmerman,weighed at least 230 pounds then. Ofcourse now he has lost weight from worrying over killing an innocent child. I hope he sees Trayvon’s bloody lifeless body every time he closes his eyes until he tells the truth of what really occurred that night. He is clearly lying about the events that took place that night.

  • Rebecca

    ENOUGH!!! As tragic as this incident was, let’s face it , none of us know the details of what happened. I am so sick of hearing about the racial aspect of this case BECAUSE….here in Birmingham, Al our all black City Counsel members wore hoodies to the last counsel meeting and made Trayvon Martin an honorary citizen of Birmingham for goodness sake! Why didn’t they acknowledge the senseless slaying of Bo Smith, a local white grocer who was gunned down execusion style during a robbery by two black males in February of this year. Or the young white mother of two who, along with her toddler was hit and killed by a teenaged black drunk driver in the Birmingham area…Or the asian man who was shot in the back during the robbery of his jewelry store in 2009….Or for that matter the daily black on black killings in Birmingham and surrounding areas? Any of these cases could have been labeled as “racially motivated”. But they weren’t. The white and asian communities saw it for what it was….robbery and drunk driving. It’s because the blacks are trying to continue the racial tension in the south that began more than 40 years ago! This is perpetuated by the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and other muckrakers. It is time for this to STOP. Nobody in the 21st century South has made anyone of a different race sit on the back of a bus, owned or been a slave, denied minorities rights of any sort and in fact the minorities have more rights than whites! I am sick of hearing about it…ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

    • hipshotpercusion

      I hate to say it, but all these black agitators carry about is their “Cause Niggas.”

      • Ethel

        Why didn’t you say the word you really wanted to say. It doesn’t bother blacks anymore. Do you know the definition? If so, you are speaking of yourself! Have a nice day brother.

    • Ethel

      Rebecca, you are right! Enough is enough! And now you see a little of how blacks feel with all of this racism and hatred against them, just because of their beautiful darker skin. Who started the hatred? Blacks didn’t start this hate. They just want to live peacefully and equally. Is that too much to ask a fellow brother or sister of a lighter skin? Because there is one Race,the human race. God decides the definition, of the human race, not you or anyone else. How would you feel if you were treated like blacks are treated,today in 2012? Nothing much has changed, if you read these blogs and be truthful to yourself. Blacks has been saying it for years. I guess it took Mr.Obama to become the president, for the closet racists to come out. I am glad they are out, and not lying anymore. The way to combat a problem is first being honest with yourself and admitting it. Now after admitting it, ask yourself why? Most don’t have a legitimate reason. Again,God is the great equalizer. He has a system in the earth called sowing and reaping. If you have sown good seeds,no need to worry, but if you have sown bad seeds then bad will come up.
      Furthermore,He made male and female in HIS IMAGINE and it was ALL GOOD! I’d rather take his account of creation over anyone else. Since he is the creator of the human race. And being the genus that he is, he made all of the human race share the same blood lines, but in various percentages. All humans have Black,Asian and white blood running through their veins. Check your DNA! So it doesn’t matter what you say, the facts and the truth remains the same. We are all brothers and sisters, have a nice day sister.

      • Rebecca

        Ok “Sister”…I will tell you like I told Burnt Offerings:
        “White Folks”….That in and of itself is racism! You don’t have any idea what “all white folks” think or stand for….you are sterotyping the same as what you are preaching against. But that’s okay right? Because you think that that you are owed something because way back when some of your ancestors were slaves? Come on now….you, yourself were never a slave and I never owned one. I could be sitting here whining about my American

        Indian relatives being run off their land but that is HISTORY and we can’t do anything but try to improve things NOW. STOP playing the race card! It’s OLD and it’s TIRED. You aren’t being discriminated against and neither are any of your people. HOWEVER, several years ago my daughter was denied admission to a public school because she was WHITE….I was told that because of the black/white/hispanic ratio she would have to go to a more balanced school. If that is not reverse discrimination I don’t know what is.

        SO….in answer to your question: How would you feel if you were treated like blacks are treated,today in 2012?

        I do know and my little first grade daughter hadn’t done ANYTHING wrong! Nobody made a big deal out of it though …she was just a little white girl…It was okay for the little white girl to have to change schools because of the color of her skin. Afterall…didn’t some of her race of people…oh say…200 years ago own some black slaves? Like I said Ethel…”Sister”..ENOUGH!

  • gsantacruz

    Let’s not forget that this young man was 6’3″ and in his prime years, whereas Zimmerman is 28 y/o and 5’9″ and somewhat corpulent (fat). The pictures of Martin when he was twelve can only be viewed as an attempt to portray him as an innocent defenseless victim. Recently released enhanced video seem to substantiate Zimmerman’s account that he sustained injury to the back of his head, and the police report supports the fact that he was apparently on his back at some point during the confrontation.
    No where in the national media have I seen ANY reference to a legal concept know as “Disparity of Force” which will eventually be brought forward by Zimmerman’s defense team. To quote from a 1992 “Lethal Force” column by Massad Ayoob: “Disparity of force is the situation that authorizes the law-abiding citizen to shoot what appears to be an unarmed man. In this concept, the law recognizes that the power of the attacker to kill or cripple with “body weapons,” fists or feet, may be so great vis-a-vis the defender’s stature and ability that this disparity of physical force becomes the aggressor’s deadly weapon.”
    Obviously the national media, and the so-called black leaders are more interested in stoking the racial issue and building an ant-gun case than reporting the facts. This is blatantly obvious from the 911 tapes intentionally edited to create a racial agenda and broadcast nationally.
    Where is the outrage from the so called black leaders over the large number of young black men killed every day across the nation in black on black violence??? We see black on black gun related murders almost every day in New Orleans? Where are the national black leaders and their outrage over these wasted lives? Oh, that’s right they weren’t killed by a white or Hispanic so it is just part of the daily routine in the black community, and does nothing to further stoke the racial divide, so why speak out?
    Where is the outrage over the attacks on whites by young blacks??? There are a large number of senseless killings, mostly gang and drug related that occur every day — and go unreported in the national media. But of course these are not sensationalized… they wouldn’t help contribute to fueling the racial divide so why reported them… they are after all just the normal daily occurrences… and not really NEWS worthy…
    Has anyone looked at the crime statistics for Sanford Florida? Have you seen any mention in the national news that crime in Sanford is almost twice the national average? Where is the outrage from the national media and the so called national black leaders from Monday’s report of a man beaten nearly to death by two black youths welding a hammer not far from Sanford?

  • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

    The article reads, “Perhaps she wants to do her part to avert the widespread racial violence that is liable to break out if emotional rhetoric outweighs logical consideration of fact.”

    There have already been incidents. A white man in Sanford, FL, was dragged out of his car by two blacks and beaten repeatedly with a hammer. He barely survived.

    Here in Seneca, SC, a local man coming out of an Applebees was attacked by a gang of thirty black men because he was a “tree honky.”

    There was also an incident in Charleston, SC, though I don’t have the details on it.

    • Average Joe

      I believe that all of these people who have been harmed…should be suing the crap out every MSM media outlet in the nation…for sensationalizing this story (in order to get ratings and $$) with reckless disregard for the safety of the public. I believe that the Supreme Court has already ruled that your First Amendment Right’s do not apply when you yell “FIRE” in a crowded theater….and there is no fire…..and that is what the MSM has done in this case.
      I believe that the MSM is both legally as well as morally responsible for any injuries to anyone as a result of their blatant disregard of human life and property.

      Hit them where it hurts…make the A**holes pay through the nose.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        I agree. Unfortunately, it’s not my incident to sue over. But if it were, I would be suing every last one of them. I think I would even sue Sharpton and Jackson, along with Martin’s family, for putting my life in jeopardy. The Rodney King incident should have been demonstration enough of what sort of chaos can erupt by sensationalizing something like this.

        Although, if it had be me in the situation over in Seneca (which is a short drive from where I live), there would be fifteen or twenty fewer criminals in this world. I’d have shot the one closest to me, and would have then continued to shoot any others that didn’t run.

        The thirty on one scenario has made me rethink my decision to not carry a spare magazine. I always thought that fifteen rounds was plenty. After all, how many shots does it take to put down an attacker? But I never considered the possibility of fifteen or more attackers. Now that such a thing is a reality, I will start carrying a spare mag. in the event of such an incident.

      • Honestly

        Average Joe…I think they would need to include our president.

      • Mike

        That is a good comparison, yelling fire when there was no fire.

        By plugging this incident constantly in the news the media IS fanning the flames and just maybe someone will pick up on this and sue them. I doubt it will do much good as the media will claim the 1st amendment, but it will cost them to defend.

        One of the goals of the communist party was to gain control of the media and use it divide the people. I don’t think I’m being paranoid to mention that when it really IS happening.

      • Average Joe

        Mike,
        From my post above, “I believe that the Supreme Court has already ruled that your First Amendment Right’s do not apply when you yell “FIRE” in a crowded theater….and there is no fire…..and that is what the MSM has done in this case.”

        They already have control of the media…and they’re after the Internet too, unfortunately.

      • Average Joe

        From Wikipedia:

        “Shouting fire in a crowded theatre” is a popular metaphor and frequent paraphrasing of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.’s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919. The paraphrasing does not generally include the fact that falsely shouting fire to highlight that speech which is merely dangerous and false which can be distinguished from that which is truthful but also dangerous. The quote is used as an example of speech which is claimed to serve no conceivable useful purpose and is extremely and imminently dangerous, such as distributing fliers in opposition to a military draft, so that resort to the courts or administrative procedures is not practical and expresses the permissible limitations on free speech consistent with the terms of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

        United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919

  • Mike

    Never let a good crisis go to waste.

    Those who seek to overthrow democracy in America are hard at work finding ways to divide the people. They can be political, financial, world elitists etc.

    Race
    Political party
    Money
    Religion
    Culture
    Language

    Just to name a few.

    This is exactly what caused the red people to lose control of their lands. Had they united into one coherent force, I suspect the Mississippi would be the dividing mark of Native American on the west and Euro-American on the east. But no, they adhered to their separate cultures and languages so they were divided and defeated. And so it will be in the 21st century that the most recent “people of the Americas” shall be divided and conquered.

    Pity, a once great nation will descend to third world status and the people will be herded into camps for their own “protection.”

    Keep bickering and accusing, the sooner we get this over with the better.

    • Ethel

      Sorry to bust your self righteous bubble, but the human race is made up of black,Asian and white. Get a sample of your DNA and you will see these three bloodlines in you in differing percentages! Sorry we are all made from the same blood lol! Don’t believe it? Check it out for yourself! Yes you have black and Asian blood, mixed with your caucasian blood. Funny how God works!
      Lol, lol, lol!, denying it want change it.

  • Glen Bridges

    Your article is obviously defending George Zimmerman. Trayvon is dead because of racial profiling. There have been five 911 incidents during the past four years where Zimmerman has stalked black teens including a nine year old black boy without sufficient probable cause. Just because their black. Zimmerman was told by the 911 dispatcher not to follow Trayvon but he ignored that order which is why Trayvon is dead.
    This is nothing more than a good ol boys southern whitey attititude. Zimmerman has a
    a violent arrest history which includes assaulting a police officer and domestic violence and the reason why he always gets away with his violent behavior is due to the fact that his father is a Judge in the Sanford courts.

    • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

      Zimmerman isn’t white. It would be nice if people would stop trying to turn this into a white on black crime when there wasn’t a white involved.

    • hipshotpercusion

      Trayvon is dead because he viciously attacked an armed man and payed for his stupidity with his life. Idiot!

      • Glen Bridges

        The fact that CNN last week digitally removed all the background noise from the 911 tapes and you can clearly here Zimmerman using the racial slur “Fuc&ing Coon”, speaks for itself and Zimmermans history with black young men. This definitely is a racial profiling
        crime of manslaughter.

      • Vicki

        Glen Bridges says:

        The fact that CNN last week digitally removed all the background noise from the 911 tapes and you can clearly here Zimmerman using the racial slur “Fuc&ing Coon”, speaks for itself and Zimmermans history with black young men.

        The problem with week old news is that well, its a week old.
        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnn-enhances-zimmerman-911-call-again-and-reporter-now-doubts-racial-slur-used/

        So what he really said was ” it’s F**ing COLD” which happens to exactly match the facts of that night. “it was unseasonably cold in Florida that night and raining.”

        I notice that you claimed as a fact that CNN removed all the background noise. Since you provided no evidence we must presume you made that up as the article, I provided as evidence, clearly states that CNN removed MORE background noise. This means they had not removed all of it before and knew it or they would not have tried to remove more.

        This definitely is a racial profiling
        crime of manslaughter.

        This whole incident is definitely a case of racial profiling. By liberals.
        The actual crime is libel not manslaughter though Mr Zimmerman’s old life is dead and gone.

    • andy

      now wait a minute. the kid was on top of the zimmer man. eyewitness. the zimmer did not come to the kid and throw himself under the kid. everything that happened before the incident is not relevant. even if they were walking around in the dark and bumped into one another they could have said they were sorry for the misunderstanding and gone their separate ways. someone hit someone first and that is the beginning of this thing and could also have been the end of it too. fisticuffs is not a duel to the death in all cases. putting someone on their ass is enough usually but we now live in a world that everything seems to go too far for the occasion. they both made the wrong choices in the conduct of this situation. the proof of that is someone is now dead. this kind of thing does not happen for nothing. mix up racism and paranoia add firearms and stupidity and watch out you dont slip in the pool of blood

  • http://personalliberty.com Steven

    What is one lawyer at the bottom of the sea? …A very good start.!…..All you toilet trained lawyers are just as bad as the media for spreading your crap, you know nothing about the case except what the crooked media tells you……..! The whole thing is about race….black people with a black chip on their shoulder.!….

    • Mike

      A few days ago I saw a rare sight………..a lawyer had his hands in his OWN pockets.

      • oldnyfirefighter

        That’s probably because he had a bad case of jock itch & needed to scratch!

  • ranger hall

    The standard advice from Police is for innocent citizens to NOT get involved, Back Away, Vacate your car or house, let them take what they want, do not defend yourself,dont protect yourself or others, THIS has been the standard Police and Courts standards for over 50 years.
    Well Honest Americans are getting fed up with backing off and letting the baddies take over, The Police dont do the Job, The courts do not do their Jobs.The People need to take back their rights to protect themselves ,their family and their property.
    Stand Your Ground has always been our Right, We have just forgotten how to do this.
    Let the Police and the Courts decide this case, or will the people who profit from this decide the case.
    Been in the Game for over 50 years,have worked with all different kind of people, I have an educated guess as to who started the fight but its only my guess based on what news has been presented, But the facts of the case is the most important, But sometimes the facts will not change the way people want to think
    But it was a good Post..

    • oldnyfirefighter

      The Gang Bangers are not happy just stealing your money, especially if you are a “Cracker”. If you are a female “Cracker” you will probably be raped, beaten up & probably killed so you can’t testify against them. That is why my wife & Daughters are armed (legally) & will stay that way. They won’t shoot first, but will if threatened, grabbed or someone tries to restrain them. Color of the attacker is of no consequence, you attack them & you will receive two pieces of lead, center mass, which will probably be where your heart used to be. A 90lb woman is no match for a 180lb man, but a .40 cal makes them closer to even, since they have a right to stay alive.

      • Ethel

        In 2012, black men don’t have to rape women, who are spreading their legs 24/7 for them! What would be the point? White women are running black men down to go to bed with them! Wake up and smell the condoms!

  • Jeremy Leochner

    On the Martin Case I have conflicting opinions. On the one hand the account given by Mr. Zimmerman mentions a string of crimes committed by African Americans in hoodies and that was why he felt suspicious of Tray. Is that racist is open to interpretation. Further conflicting accounts of what followed range from Zimmerman being a violent racist to an innocent victim. I am not really sure. All I know for sure is Mr. Zimmerman confessed to killing Trayvon Martin and was not put on trial or even brought before a judge. All issues of racism aside I believe that is wrong. There is a man who confessed to killing someone who is walking free based solely on his word. At the very least I would be more accepting of the situation if his freedom came with either the blessing of a court or at least the blessing of a judge. If he truly acted in self defense let a judge or jury decide instead of just taking him at his word. I fear the decision to let Mr. Zimmerman go free without any judicial oversight has left room for accusations to start flying. I think the best thing would be to prepare for future cases. Perhaps abolishing or amending the stand your ground law would be a good way to prevent such confusion in the future.

    • andy

      before “stand your ground” in Florida law you were compelled to retreat until you could no longer do so. once on your back being beaten and possibly pinned down i would say there is no further to retreat unless you brought a shovel. stand your ground only says you no longer have to retreat from the threat and saves shoe leather. what if your wheel chair just lost reverse gear and your only defence was a gun you had in your hand at all times cause you did not have the ability to pull it out of a holster. i suppose shoot first then strong letter to follow would be the law for the martially arts impaired. where is that law? at the point of being unable to retreat and being in fear for your life or grievous bodily injury due to the continued attack, you are allowed deadly force to stop them. it is not a license to kill. if you have a gun you can use it. knife or rock or assault sneakers work too. in this case it seems there was no eyewitness to the shooting, only forensics to try to tell a story of the fatal moment. forensics experts from both sides will say different things happened. that is the extent to which the dead can talk. and they are saying two different things in the court. if the accused testifies then you know what he will say. after all that what matters is the opinion of the people who could not get off this jury or wanted to be on the jury or who knows what will happen in the jury selection. that’s our system, these are the laws and if you don’t like it call you congressman. any way you cut this someone is dead and it did not need to happen, and you cant blame the stand your ground law because there are natural laws that apply. right to life and self defense of same supersede any man made definition of the menu of what you can and will do if you perceive something threatens your life. dont get me wrong i do not defend the zimmer because i dont know if martin was on top or standing there when he was shot or got off and was coming back to finish zimmer and no one knows except the zimmer man. i do predict that the phrase “don’t tase me man” might soon be replaced by “don’t zimmer me man !”

      • Homer

        Andy, the REAL “ROOT” of all this and so much more is not, the stand your ground law: but it is just this: there is a lack of WIDOM, and lack assurance, and a lack of comfort and most of all there is a lack of Salvation (Matt 6:33 KJV) That is the problem and always will be the problem, The man is born wron and until he gets “Born Again John 3:3 he will continue to have these problems w/NO way out!!

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Andy-Our judicial system isn’t perfect. I guess I just prefer something to nothing. Forensics and witnesses are never crystal clear. My problem is I don’t know if Mr. Zimmerman acted in self defense or if he simply stuck to his story. I can’t imagine what goes through ones mind if someone is coming at them with a gun or a knife or is beating them up or any other way one person can threaten another. All I know is regardless of whether it is self defense or not there needs to be some sort of consequence. Even if its nothing more then spending a few nights in jail or out on bail to await seeing a judge and the judge letting you go and corroborating the self defense story. I think at the very least it would have created less confusion. If indeed Mr. Zimmerman acted in self defense I believe he would have been simply let off by a judge. But at least then there is a judicial basis(however small) for his being free. At least we could say our justice system isn’t perfect instead of our justice system is based on the honor system.

  • andy

    what if you were lost in a place that looked all the same to you but you were staying there temporarily looking for your door. you might look like you were “casing the place out” to someone else who was a self appointed “lookout”. next the lookout comes looking for you and you run because you are guilty, or you run because you are in fear for your own safety. then the looker turns around to break off the search. do you try to make a beeline for safety, inside the place you are supposed to be or do you go after the looker. why would any sane person go there? running away was your first reaction for whatever reason. coming back towards your problem now makes it a whole other new problem. there are a whole new state of minds here now am i right or wrong what? who confronted who here? if i chase you down the block and you run away i am the aggressor. as soon as i stop i am no longer the aggressor. if i turn away and you approach me the roles have reversed and whatever happened one minute ago means nothing. it is the new situation. now i am being threatened. you threaten to kick my ass i threaten to kick your ass. that is just social interaction. we are facing one another, you swing at me i swing at you we miss and it is mutual combat. someone calls the police gets there before anyone got their eye poked out and breaks it up. i don’t file on you and you don’t file on me. go home pissed off get over it ,or someone takes a swing and connects and from there all bets are off. for all anyone knows this situation happens,a thousand times a day and you never hear about it until maybe it becomes newsworthy. who determines what is the news and why? what is the truth? there are so many versions i can’t count them or choose what or who to believe. opinions are like a holes, everyone got one including me.

  • Amundsen

    Just to set things straight, according to the Sanford Police, Martin was 6′ tall, 160 pounds. Zimmerman is 5’9″. According to a relative, he may have weighed 190 pounds.

    I don’t know where this 6′ 3″ number comes from. It isn’t hard to find the truth.

    I guess as the image of evil gangster Trayvon Martin looms ever larger in the reactions of some of those leaving comments, they need him to be as scary as possible.

    And why do so many commenting complain that this is not about race and then proceed to show by their comments that it is very much about race? At least to them.

    • Average Joe

      “I guess as the image of evil gangster Trayvon Martin looms ever larger in the reactions of some of those leaving comments, they need him to be as scary as possible.”

      Considering that most of the new images of Trayvon….came from his own facebook account….that it was Trayvon himself was was trying to look all “gangsta” and as scary as possible…It’s kind of hard to argue when the boy/man himself posted these photos.Seems to me that he was glorifying a certain type of life and living that life….and as with most who live that life…it ended tragically. I am in no way defending Zimmerman or Trayvon…I wasn’t there and don’t have the facts, but I am guessing that both men contributed in some way to the end result…sad, but true.

      If you’re going to blame someone…anyone…blame the Media….they are the real culprits here.

      • andy

        yes, if you don’t get the news you are uninformed and if you do get the news you are misinformed. dont zimmer me bro

      • Average Joe

        andy ,

        The key is to be smarter than what you are working with…to be able to sort out , News…from ….Propaganda. Unless we are capable doing that, Misinformed or uninformed makes no difference….we are still misinformed.

        Newspeak:

        Newspeak is a fictional language in George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In the novel, it refers to the deliberately impoverished language promoted by the state. Orwell included an essay about it in the form of an appendix[1] in which the basic principles of the language are explained. Newspeak is closely based on English but has a greatly reduced and simplified vocabulary and grammar. This suits the totalitarian regime of the Party, whose aim is to make any alternative thinking—”thoughtcrime”, or “crimethink” in the newest edition of Newspeak—impossible by removing any words or possible constructs which describe the ideas of freedom, rebellion and so on. One character, Syme, says admiringly of the shrinking volume of the new dictionary: “It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.”

  • Homer

    Here is the big shame, You have Al, (he should mind his own business) Sharpton and Jessee (rabbel Rouser) Jackon using the race card BUT..u have a picture of Trayvon as a very young child on the cover of magazines and yet that was NOT tru this man was over 6 feet tall. OH the fraud!! Lastl the guilty should be punished, and the innocent should be freed!!

  • Mark

    This whole thing is a joke. I feel sorry for the familys involved. If this had been two white guys or two black guys it would have not even made the scroll line on CNN. Let the police do there job and keep the Jacksons, Sharptons out of the way, all they are doing is blowing there own horn.

  • Bruce D.

    I think it is pathetic that people are deciding this case with only Travon Martin’s side put forth by people with a racial agenda. Most interracial crime is black on white crime. Most of all crime against blacks are by other blacks. 85% of the prisons are made up of blacks despite being only 14% of the population. Now we are being asked to decide this case by information from people who make a living out of creating racial and social tension. At least wait until you hear both sides of the story. Don’t be so pathetic. This isn’t the 60% anymore. Wait for the facts to come out. Zimmerman has already been tried in the media and found guilty. If found innocent in a court of law which is probable but not certain there willl be blacks who will want to riot and the media are co conspirators in the madness that follows. People in the media do not have to worry about that because blacks normally burn their own sections far away from the people in the media. Innocent blacks will be hurt by this and of course the taxpayer will have to pick up the tab for the destruction that will follow.

    • Ethel

      Actually if the truth was told, blacks make up much more than that. You yourself has black blood, so by your own percentage quota ,you would be considered black. The human race is made up of black, Asian and white blood in different percentages. God is the great equalizer, he knew there would be people like you, so guess what? What you hate most is part of you! Have a nice day brother!

  • Raggs

    Everyone needs to ask…. If someday you see a “person” snooping around your place of dwelling what would you do?
    Personally I would do as most. I would want to figure out why that “person” was there and what that “person” was doing. And make NO bones about it I also carry a gun… Martin put himself into this situation and he got what he deserved.

  • TIME

    I have few words on this topic, but it seems yet again an issue that the rhetoric is totaly driven by the Public Opinion’s based on ignorant speculations as well the Emotional feelings of the public after being stirred up into a feeding frenzy by people with no other goal than a self serving factor – rather than “FACTS or TRUTHS.”

    This bloody whole thing seems to be little more than a ” RUSH TO JUDGMENT.”
    In the Court of the mindless sheep within the “PUBLIC OPINION FACTOR.”.

    Most of what is based on littel more than 100% total rtetoric. Again an issue where some bloody idiots get their 15 minutes of fame. Please do note what that is again – Sharpton with more of his outlandish racially charged behavior, yet again,
    I have but two words on Sharpton; “Tawana Brawley.”

    Lets not go down that mindless road yet again. People act like grown ups and stop acting like TOOLS.

    Peace and LOVE……

  • Buck

    Trayvon Martin was a victim of not only the shooting , which he MAY have provoked , but even worse he is a victim of the lamestream media who pounced on his story to make more news , if left alone it would have been covered one or two days , but by pushing it as a racist issue they have gotten weeks of news cycles out of it . Furthermore it comes at a time when they have to hide all of their god obamass missteps leading up to the coming election . Black on black youths are killing each other hundreds of times a year and it is virtually ignored by the same media that sensationalized Trayvon’s death . Not to mention a few dozen black on white murders every year that never becomes a big story . ALL this hoopla is because the media wanted a sensational story stirrup by racism and protests to sell more news . Islam , progressives , socialists , all enemies of the American people , but none so responsible for the current cataclyisms in the country as the LAMESTREAM MEDIA .

    • oldnyfirefighter

      If you check the national news, you will find black on black violence not almost, but every night. There are half a dozen shootings every day, but since they are usually lousy shots 9 out of every 10 bullets hit no human targets. Gang bangers & thug wannabes get “ILLEGAL” guns & if we are lucky shoot themselves just like one did in Cocoa Beach a couple of days ago. Crimes committed by “LEGALLY ARMED” citizens are far & few, but you will never hear that from the MSM. They label anyone with a LEGAL gun as a thug or possible terrorist, while they inflame violence with their racial bias & are not held liable for their race baiting. They are no better than the Sharpton’s or J.Jackson’s or anyone else using race baiting for their own agenda, at the expense of others.

  • LatterDayJeremiah

    This is becoming REDICULOUS! Firstly, anyone who knows their Bible knows: Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;. God made all men of one blood…NO RACES! ONE RACE!
    Secondly, this Zimmerman fellow has been recorded on the local police phone lines, and was TOLD…NOT to follow Trayvon…????what???? So, why then DID he? No matter WHY, he did what Authorities told him NOT to and now a young man is dead. What happened is a man with a gun, went after a kid who was minding his OWN BUSINESS, and the result is what we have now. Zimmerman IS guilty of at the VERY least manslaughter in the 1st degree. After the call to the police, it should have been DONE! But, no…the vigilanty had to take matters into his own hands…what matters??? The poor kid was drinking his ice tea and bringing his younger sibbling some candy.
    Yes! also to the Scripted Media Slaves who are working for the unnamed Secret Societies to drive a deeper wedge between Americans…but, keeping a level head and looking at the VERY first fact, “leave him alone” over the phone…should have ended this mess already.

    • Bruce D.

      It has not been established other than by the media that Zimmerman continued to follow or that he was a vigilante. What has been established is that Zimmerman was beaten and was a watch dog in a neighborhood riddled with crime. It has also been establish that there was no probably cause to arrest Zimmerman because he acted in self defense. That may change when all the facts are rechecked but that is not up to you, Al Sharpton, or the media to decide in an effort to appease black activists or promote hearsay.

  • http://yahoo ted

    Hey what about the black man who killed a hispanic man for his bike yesterday in houston tx. come on jesse,al, where is the justice in that. Im sorry but there are so many things u could be during with ur lives that are positive. U both love the cameras to much i guess and hate the other people that are not black. Quit teaching ur people to hate so much and u might go to ur graves content.

  • Bimbam

    All you need to know is that blacks kill other blacks at an 80% rate. That’s all you have to chant back at the negroes who challenge you on Trayvon.

    Then, to reinforce name all the murders that blacks do on whites for the other 20% in which they say NOTHING!!!

    • Ethel

      Black men can’t be all bad, the Caucasian women think they are great!

  • michiganminuteman

    This thread has been going on for two days now and you people are still pissing and moaning about this while our rights are being ever so slowly and carefully taken by the most corrupt administration in the history of our Republic. If we had used this time and enery to band together we would be that much closer to taking back our country from this would be dictator and communist. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves! And rightly so, it’s our fault for letting this happen!!!!

    • Bruce D.

      And how do you think they take away your rights? By race baiting and declaring a false war on woman in exchange for birth control to pass laws to take away your rights,. If they can frame this Martin case in a certain way your right to self defense and bear arms will be put to on the front burner. Do you not know the manner in which leftest work.

      • michiganminuteman

        I understand it and see it happening on so many fronts it is making me sad. Some people are so blinded by their politically correct, utopian, multicultural, progessive, one world Maxist ideals………..Or is it they are appethetic/gullible………..or……..just mis-informed…….or simply……stupid?

  • Crystal

    I’ll never eat Skittles again.

    • michiganminuteman

      I think we all are pretty clear what group Crystal falls into.

      • Crystal

        You can go f__k yourself.

      • oldnyfirefighter

        From the trash mouth remark, she ain’t a lady either.

  • chuckb

    “trayvon martin an american tragedy” maybe it should read, another gang banger hits the turf. i have no regards for all the sympathy poured out by the bleeding hearts for this hoodie hoodlum. they wear hoodies to hide their id, they wear baggie pants to help hide the loot they steal and carry weapons. when one meets his maker, the liberals can’t cry and defend enough. i haven’t heard the cry out for all the white people these scum bags have killed in mostly hideous crimes, even the media hides their evil deeds.
    enough is enough.

    • Bruce D.

      I agree chuckb. The fact that the media and black leaders cover up the problems in the black communities almost assures there will never be any positive change there. It is my opinion that most white people want blacks to do well in society so that they are not a drain on society. They are their own worst enemy and pushing blame off on white people only assures that they never succeed in society. Blacks that take responsibility for their education and actions do not have the same problems of those who don’t. This is not the 60s anymore. Black activists try so hard to make you believe nothing has changed.

  • old hillbilly

    good lesson in political correctness. freedom of speech, but can’t say this, that, or whatever because some idiot might get offended and scatter your brains on a sidewalk. works good with race baiters & those dumb enough to follow obvious idiots.

    the real issue should be why the liars who started the hysteria, and those who jumpped in to foment riot and violence are not arrested & held accountable? Why isn’t JJ, AS, & the dingbat legislators arrested for inciting riots.

    • Bruce D.

      At the very least the Black Panthers should have been arrested for putting a bounty on Zimmerman. The Black Panthers seem to have immunity from any actions they take. Some say they are a small group and do not matter but they stir up a lot of racial hatred and a bounty seems to be inciting violence against Zimmerman which should be a crime.

      • oldnyfirefighter

        The day the New Black Panther Party issued the bounty on Zimmerman something else was happening & that was the arrest of their leader for selling a high end handgun to a Pawn Shop. He is a prior Florida felon, who can’t legally ever have a handgun in his possession or even touch one. Chalk up one for the good guys, another persistent felon off of the streets.

  • ranger hall

    Only our Govt puts a bounty on peoples heads, Its illegal for others to do this.
    Most of you people out there do not know that there are two types A Black friend taught me That A black man lives in the present, works. lives within the law, and earns the respect of people around him, Then he says the ones that live off the system, does not want to work, lives by taking or stealing from others, and lives in the past as an excuse for the other items, He says we Blacks call them Ni–ers.
    I have served in the Military and Police with Black Men and Women and i have respect for them, some of them i call Friends, and its something they earned, it was not given.

    • Bruce D.

      If it is illegal for the Black Panthers to put a bounty on Zimmerman’s head and also illegal to intimidate voters with billy clubs at voting booths why do you think the Black Panthers are not being arrested. The only possible reason I can think of is that Eric Holder is a racist and is selectively applying the law. If there is another possibility I would like to know to be fair.

  • Crystal

    I went back over ALL of the comments here and it so obvious what’s going on. This has nothing to do with Trayvon Martin or Zimmerman, but is going to be missed by many of you and is bigger than the two of them. Many of you won’t even read this.

    What you hate about Black Men is exactly what’s happening to White Heterosexual men in this society. The Black Community is the prototype of your future. Obamacare is the groundwork tool that will be used to force you there along with government agencies like Dept. of Education.

    There is a book called “War Against Boys” written by Christina Hoff Sommers. It lays out everything happening to boys in the K-12 school system (same thing happened to Black boys decades ago). This book strongly compares to a 4 Part Volume called “Countering The Conspiracy To Destroy Black Boys” written by Jawanza Kunjufu which was written several decades ago based solely on what’s destroying Black males in this society. If we didn’t presently live in a White/Hispanic Community, I would have never seen it happening — and it’s the same crap I saw being done to Black boys in my classrooms growing up. I had this same conversation with WHITE friends at CHRISTMAS who all have put their sons in Special Education because the school said to. This is one of the first steps of destruction along with creating fake diseases like ADD or ADHD and drugging your sons up with Ritalin in order to produce a man-child who doesn’t strive for anything — just sits their docile. Now 1 out of 55 boys has autism?

    In order to destroy a Nation, you have to take the man out of men.You can see the results in the fact that more white women attend college than white males. This has been going on in the Black community for decades. It didn’t start off like this.

    Now as far as your 2nd Amendment Rights are concerned, tragedies happen every single day in this country. So why this particular tragedy? Reason: Because all they needed to do was find a fool (Zimmerman) with two priors (one was dismissed and you can go to your law library go on Lexis Nexis and look him up) with a gun to throw all over the media to stir people up (re-read all of these comments) about sacrificing your 2nd Amendment Rights.

    You better pray the Supreme Court votes against Obamacare.

    • pasoman

      Public education has been doing it for years. Sadly, local education can be controlled by the local public making sure their government respects guaranteed individual rights! – it’s easy to vote them out of office or make their life so miserable they’ll seek refuge in Cuba, Somalia, or some other hell hole more suitable to their beliefs & code of conduct. If they want to eliminate God in school, counter with demand that the local DA prosecutes them for Constitutional violations (free speech & belief, due process, denying rights of others, secure in person, possessions, etc.). Law enforcement, the DA, courts, etc. at all levels are duty sworn to ENFORCE the Constitution, but they belly up and violate oath of office because political correctness has destroyed freedom! Rely on Holder or Obama to to tell you what the simple words in the Bill of Rights mean & you have no freedom or posessions! Read Article 6 – demand local prosecution & overwhelm the gangsters of freedom like a swarm of bees. The DA is the key to common sense remedy! Remove those who refuse to prosecute in local court!

      • Crystal

        Great reply. In the middle of reading the Federalist Papers and their is an enormous amount of laws being broken by our government. Whatever happened to the idea of forcing elected officials to read the Constitution before taking office?

      • oldnyfirefighter

        Crystal, I’m glad you are reading the Federalist Papers. It is something every Citizen should read, especially the people that are supposed to represent us. I agree with observations & since I am over 70, I have seen the changes & not for the better. People better wake up soon, or they may not wake up at all.

  • hipshotpercusion

    March 15th Tulsa, OK An 85 year old white woman was raped an beaten to death and her husband of 65 years of age was seriously injured. Tyrone Woodfork 20 was arrested. He and his fellow black burglars stole $400, a TV and the couples car. (offensive words removed)! Even dumb animals don’t do things like that. Bet none of you heard a peep about, did you? To bad Mr. strait didn’t have a gun.

    • Crystal

      Mr. Strait was in his own home. Mr. Strait didn’t follow anyone. Mr. Strait should have taken notes from the young woman in Oklahoma who’s home was being burglarized by two white men two months ago. Unfortunately, she lost her husband to cancer in Dec. 2011, and had an infant son. When they broke through the barricaded door after her 911 call, she shot and killed one of them. The other burglar is being brought up on murder charges because the law states that if you are committing a crime with someone else and they get killed in the act of the crime, you are the cause of their death.

      Take a tour of your Law Library and see how many crimes are committed by white people or any people for that matter. Crimes more heineous than the one you described.

  • Smithkowitz

    Hey Crystal, you’ve said some excellent stuff here; just thought I would let you know that.

  • Ethel

    Crystal you are the most intelligent person on this blog, thanks for doing your homework and being a good, fair individual. It’s refreshing to know, there are still some decent people in America.

  • Ethel

    After reading these blogs from us all, I was sickened by the racist comments coming from us all. Truthfully, we all have differences of opinions and that will probably not change. We are not helping the situation by fighting each other with angry rascist words. This is wrong! So I will no longer be a part of the problem, by not responding to these blogs any longer. So to all of you that I have offended or angered, I apologize! Our Anger can really distort our views of each other. I choose to repent, and to forgive as well. Together we stand, divided we fall!

  • Rebecca

    Where were Sharpton and J. Jackson on this one?:

    A week ago, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, a black kid named Tyrone Woodfork severely beat an elderly couple, a Mr. & Mrs. Strait, who had been married for 65 years. Tyrone RAPED Mrs. Strait, and she died of injuries received at his hands. Mr. Strait served in the 101st Airborne during WWII. NO national media carried the story. Tyrone was arrested yesterday.

    I supposed that if Mr. Strait had shot Tyrone, the whole country would know about the story. As it is, only Mrs. Strait died, so it’s not of interest to Brian Williams and the rest of the main stream media media.

    Think about it. After 65 years of marriage. After serving our country. After 90 years of life, Mr. Strait has lost his wife to a rapist/murderer. NO ONE in the national media gives a flip. They’re interested in their wonderful hero, Trayvon Martin.

    Man charged with murder in deadly home invasion

    Tyrone Woodfork, arrested on murder complaint for beating death of 85-year-old Nancy Strait. Her husband, Bob Strait, 90, was also severely beaten. COURTESY
    By JERRY WOFFORD World Staff Writer
    Published: 3/26/2012 4:53 PM
    Last Modified: 3/26/2012 4:53 PM
    A man accused of assaulting an elderly couple this month was formally charged Monday.
    Tyrone Woodfork, 20, was charged in Tulsa County District Court with felony first-degree murder, two counts of robbery with a firearm and first-degree burglary.
    Bob and Nancy Strait were assaulted March 14 in their home in the 3300 block of East Virgin Street. Nancy Strait died March 15 from injuries related to the assault. She was also raped. Bob Strait is still recovering from multiple injuries and has been re-admitted to a hospital.
    Woodfork was arrested March 15 after witnesses reported seeing the couple�s stolen 2001 Dodge Neon in the 3500 block of East Fourth Street. He remains in the Tulsa Jail without bond.
    (By the way, If Obama had a son, would he look like Tyrone Woodfork? Just asking….)

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