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Three Gs In Unlucky ’13

December 26, 2012 by  

Three Gs In Unlucky ’13
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With less than a week before the New Year, I wanted to share with you three pitfalls we face in 2013.

But first let me brag: I am batting 1,000 as a prognosticator regarding the end of the world.

Two years ago this week, I wrote What Would You Resolve To Do If The World Were To End In 2012?.

In it, I said: “I don’t give a whole lot of weight to the Mayans and their calendar, even if they did build a great empire. If they really had a crystal ball you would think they would have been forewarned that the Spaniards were bringing smallpox to the Yucatán in the 16th Century and they wouldn’t have let themselves be enslaved to relatively few soldiers wearing funny hats and riding strange animals.”

I felt the odds were on my side since people have been predicting the end of the world long before Michel de Nostradamus started writing his prophecies in 1550. Besides, if I was wrong and the world had ended last week, who would be left to give me a hard time? It was a good bet.

As for my three predictions regarding what is going to happen in 2013, I think they are almost as assured.

No. 1: Gridlock

The Nation seems as divided today as it was during the Vietnam War.

This was hit upon two weeks ago by retiring Senator Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), who used his final Senate floor speech to urge Congress to put partisan rancor aside to break Washington’s gridlock.

“It requires reaching across the aisle and finding partners from the opposite party,” said the Democrat-turned-independent, who was Al Gore’s running mate in 2000. “That is what is desperately needed in Washington now.”

After 24 years in the Senate, Lieberman said he wished Washington could erase gridlock because it stands as “the greatest obstacle” to finding compromises to the Nation’s problems.

Lieberman might has well have said that he wishes there really were a Santa Claus and an Easter Bunny.

Just ask the editors of Newsday who ran an opinion piece last month titled “How Barack Obama benefits from gridlock in Washington,” which stated:” Every lobbyist in Washington knows that whoever can advocate that the government do nothing or defer a matter until later has the advantage.”

The fight in Washington next year will be about money. It is a war of attrition, much as World War I was. Neither sides of the aisle are going to do anything other than hang on until a real transformative President is elected (hopefully from the GOP). That means there will be scant compromise by the people we have elected who are supposed to oversee what is best for the Nation and not what is best for them.

No. 2: Greed

The investment scams being orchestrated by Wall Street institutions, especially investment banks, are of the magnitude of which the robber baron industrialists of a century ago could not have dreamed.

Washington is so afraid to let the other shoe drop in the ongoing recession that they have given big banks carte blanche permission for them to continue their reckless lending and investment practices regardless of the long-term consequences to the Nation.

Last week, The Economic Times put the following headline on a story by The Associated Press: “Too big to jail? HSBC executives avoid money laundering charges.”

The AP reported:

When the Justice Department announced its record $1.9 billion settlement against British bank HSBC last week, prosecutors called it a powerful blow to a dysfunctional institution accused of laundering money for Iran, Libya and Mexico’s murderous drug cartels.

But to some former federal prosecutors, it was only the latest case of the government stopping short of bringing criminal money laundering charges against a big bank or its executives, at least in part on the rationale that such prosecutions could be devastating enough to cause such banks to fail.

They say it sounds a lot like the “too big to fail” meme that kept big but sickly banks alive with the support of taxpayer-funded bailouts. In these cases, they call it, “Too big to jail.”

The AP reported that Senator Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) wrote a letter to U.S. Attorney Eric Holder following the HSBC settlement, in which he wrote that the government “appears to have firmly set the precedent that no bank, bank employee, or bank executive can be prosecuted even for serious criminal actions if that bank is a large, systemically important financial institution.”

This stems from the Federal government’s dread of ruffling any feathers of big banks for fear that there will be a Wall Street sell-off of the banks’ stocks, which would lead to a domino of failures such as happened in 2008 when Lehman Brothers collapsed. Washington knows it does not have the financial wherewithal to initiate another massive bank bailout.

No. 3: Guns

In the wake of the tragedy at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., on Dec. 14, supporters of the 2nd Amendment are being asked: “Do you want to see this kind of violence continue?”

It is ridiculous presumption, but it is being made every day.

Last week, in TownHall.com, Susan Brown wrote:

Before Americans were able to corporately exhale upon hearing the news about the Connecticut shooting, liberals hopped on the gun control bandwagon. One of MSNBC’s many loose cannons, Ed Schultz, went on a rant saying, “Hiding behind the Second Amendment doesn’t cut it anymore,” and described our founders as slave-owning bigots. It’s real hard to wrap your hands around the hypocrisy of those who cry giant crocodile tears over the loss of these 20 precious children (and they should), but care little about millions of children who will never see the light of day due to abortion.

And here we go again; Progressives are manipulating the Sandy Hook massacre as a way to strike down the Second Amendment. Truth is, gun control is like putting a bandage on a gaping wound.

Brown hit the nail square on. In 2013, we can expect a lot more urging from the liberal media and Democrats in 2013 to limit our 2nd Amendment right.

The good news is that the world won’t end in 2013, and America will carry forward.

I want to leave you with these words from one of the greatest men of the 20th Century, Winston Churchill: “Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all other possibilities.”

We must be patient while our opposition exhausts wrong-minded policies.

Wishing you all the best in the coming New Year,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • JJ Rivers

    very well said

    • Robert Smith

      “The investment scams being orchestrated by Wall Street institutions, especially investment banks, are of the magnitude of which the robber baron industrialists of a century ago could not have dreamed.”

      If we can’t stop them from gaming the system why not tax it back? They really didn’t earn it, they simply took advantage.

      Rob

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Spoken like a true Robber Baron.

      • Bill

        Spoken like a true communist

      • nytefytr

        What, they are not supposed to take advantage?

      • Bill

        You should start with the political contributions from wall street to Obama

      • DaveH

        Robert says — “If we can’t stop them from gaming the system why not tax it back?”.
        So, Robert, if we can’t stop murder why not punish everybody for it?
        Both are ridiculous statements.
        The bottom line, Robert, is that you don’t really care what the reason might be, you just want to take other peoples’ money. Face it, Robert, you are nothing better than a common thief.

      • Flashy

        Davey boy … what would you call someone like you who demands everyone pay for what you enjoy in our society benefits, and you get to freeload off of the society everyone else contributes to?

        maybe you can find a Mises link to an article you don’t read but has a catchy title ….

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Robert, raising the tax rates on the rich will accomplish absolutely nothing! They built the system! They pay very little or no taxes because their lobbyists wrote the tax code! By the time they take advantage of the loopholes and deductions, you could charge them 90% and they still would pay very little or nothing!!! The tax code needs to be scrapped! Everyone should pay the same percentage on their income, individuals and corporations! NO loopholes! NO deductions! NO exemptions! NO exceptions! But most of all, the government has GOT to STOP spending!!! If they taxed everyone 100%, there still wouldn’t be enough to cover what they’re spending!!! These evil people are bringing down the greatest nation on earth and they don’t seem to care as long as they get MORE!!!

      • STEVE E.

        I say throw the banksters involved in criminal activity get thrown in jail and don’t worry about any sell off of their stocks. I do not invest in the stock market and only those that do invest in the “financial mafia” will be punished by loosing their investments. If I invest in a criminal enterprise and loose my money when they get caught, it is my problem, I should have know better. So, they too, should know better. You should never invest money in anything unless you can afford to loose it.

      • STEVE E.

        I should have made the my first statement read: “I say throw the banksters involved in criminal activity in jail and don’t worry about any sell off of their stocks”

      • tony newbill
      • tony newbill

        The 11 year solar storm the earth has been in is starting to take its toll ,
        w w w .examiner.com/article/solar-flares-predicted-to-raise-havoc-2013-scientist-have-new-warning-tool

        Magnetic North Pole Rapidly Moving Towards Russia

        http://investmentwatchblog.com/magnetic-north-pole-rapidly-moving-towards-russia/#uhFR1SOdIuQbHc6P.99

      • Robert Smith

        Apparently all those on the right missed: “The investment scams…”

        Why should the greedy benefit from their ill gotten gains?

        Looks to me it’s more important for you on the right to be “against Rob” than it is for you to take down crooks.

        Rob

      • eddie47d

        I haven’t known many on the right who doesn’t love Guns,Greed and Gridlock!

      • don m

        Dear, in the headlights Robert.
        Who in hell’s name, do you think is owned and true to your “robber barons”? (I despise them too!) Their home is beneath the “DC” dome (one-way direct current – flowing out). “Your” government controls every move the “banks” and their “global monopolist owners” make in the USA… including between the USA and the Monopolist’s camps in communist China. “Your” government also controls every economic move you make, including the zero percent given to you on secure capital savings; which undeniable destroys capitalism, jobs, wealth, and individual freedom! The robber barons of yesteryear are specs in the shadow of today’s global Goldfingers. Who pulls your strings & wiggles their finger up your back to make your jaws flap? Come to think about it, there’s not much difference between any of us, because we haven’t taken time to “see” the “sea” that downs us!

        The tsunami hit land around 1992 (Clinton) wherein in loyal red and blue puppets (Bushes, Obama-naters, and blue blood bright red legislators)) laid economic wastelands to America. The chasm you see isn’t a cliff, it’s a memorial to the bounty and blessing we had and lost to unparalleled evil! It leads to the ocean and the ocean leads their new Mecca… but what will you do in your new Mecca of people different from you, who exterminate thieves, perverts, and even people who think they are “individuals”.

        Think about it – a good blue blood or red blood scrapper puts $555 current purchasing power into “your” government SSI “trust” fund… and you’re dumb enough to think a lifetime payback of $192,660 is a good deal, because your government says it is. If you could add, you’d know that legitimate capitalism @ 5% would pay back $1,618,330 (constant purchasing power unaffected by inflation), more than enough to keep you stoned from 65 to when you OD at 78 – 8.4 times better that your wildest high! But… limitless opportunity is snuffed by governmet corruption

        Here’s the downer – The trust fund is empty because “your” government and their Global monopolist handlers” stole it – consumed it – reinvested your free capital in their name in foreign countries – gave it away – gave to mortal enemies… and now “your” puppets are will raise taxes, flood the economy with worthless paper currency, enslave you to more debt, and regulate you and me into lock and key slavery – to government which is the hand of absolute tyranny… just because they can do it!

        Think on this, if you can. Join hands with three of your buddies and chant… “If I live long enough, I’ll retire and three other like minded idiots will have to work for me!” You see, SSI is a right to force 2.8 workers to send you retirement money that will never be saved or invested in anything! A 5% ROI on the same “Communist $1235/mo. “money yields $10,374/mo till 78 or $4,951/mo perpetually forevermore invested in legitimate capitalism.

        The pen is mightier than sword or bullet. It is past time to hold government officials accountable for what they preach, do, and their results – to the fullest extent of law. Truth can prevail only if treasured. If we locked them up for each lie, let them sleep it off if no damage done like we do DUI citizens, things would change overnight! Are they better than you? Pass it on and demand prosecution with unrelenting punishment for government corruption!

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “what would you call someone like you who demands everyone pay for what you enjoy in our society benefits, and you get to freeload off of the society everyone else contributes to”.
        Talk about circular reasoning. First Flashdunce assumes I demand “everyone pay”. Then he assumes I freeload.
        I would call you an Equivocator, a Liar, and a Thief, Flashman.

      • JeffH

        RS says “If we can’t stop them from gaming the system why not tax it back? They really didn’t earn it, they simply took advantage.”

        Tax it back? In progressive speak that would be a double scam wouldn’t it? You certainly don’t believe the dishonest government would return the collected “taxes” from the scammers to the “scammed”, or do you?

        Oh how the liberal/progressive’s ignorance never cease to amaze.

      • JeffH

        Falsy, who has absolutley no credibility, continues to prove why…with his little “Davey mises” reference. Your standing here is minimal at best.

        Desperation is like stealing from the Mafia: you stand a good chance of attracting the wrong attention.
        Douglas Horton

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear JeffH,

          You write: “Falsy, who has absolutley no credibility, continues to prove why…with his little “Davey mises” reference.” Statist/progressive/communist shills like Flashy, RBT and others obviously fear Mises.org and their message of liberty because they spend so much time attempting to denigrate it. It’s what they are paid to do.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston:

        Since you appear to know of an entity that gives me rewards (monetary or otherwise) for expressing my opinions on PLD, please have them send the checks to the correct address as I am unaware of any such entity nor have I ever received such compensation you warrant as fact. I am neither paid, nor do I have a job (paid or unpaid), to post on PLD or any other Board.

        As far as being a “shill”, another claim you have made before without proof or substance, note that the writing and opinions I express on PLD or any other Board are my own, written freehand. They are written without direction, editing, or censure of content by any entity.

        Apparently, it is your stance that denigration of posters who hold views which do not recognize your opinions nor hold you in some mantle-like authority enhances your PLD comment board.

        I recognize such is your opinion.

        Flashy

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          You write: “Apparently, it is your stance that denigration of posters who hold views which do not recognize your opinions nor hold you in some mantle-like authority enhances your PLD comment board.” Such is not the case. Just those who post under multiple names and are known to lie about their occupations.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Flashy

        “Just those who post under multiple names and are known to lie about their occupations.”

        Hokayyyyy …. LOL

      • DaveH

        What? No Sheesh, Flashshill?

      • DaveH

        Robert says — “If we can’t stop them from gaming the system why not tax it back?”.
        With all your jealous rants about Business People, Robert, I have yet to see you say anything about the players in Big Government. Yet, certainly you must recognize that with their Power they must be part of it? Why is it that you don’t say anything about that, Robert? Is it that you are one of the rent-seekers who benefits from the pillaging of the citizens?
        Or is your brain just really small, Robert?

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “I am neither paid, nor do I have a job (paid or unpaid), to post on PLD or any other Board”.
        The denial of a proven Liar. Doesn’t mean much, Flashshill.
        Maybe you could regale us with your Sniper Expertise again, Flashshill:
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/01/25/your-choice-ron-paul-or-a-wheelbarrow/#comment-517886

        The curious reader should follow the whole thread to see the full exposure of Flashshill’s snow job. Most Liberal Progressives would have slunk away in shame after the thrashing I gave him, but Flashshill gets paid too much to have any shame.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Wow, thought you were talking about unions?

      • gator

        flashy, what would Davey call him? probably hussein barrack obama. grow a brain, lefthandlicker.

    • Old Henry
  • czman

    We the People have seen the past (Germany, China, the USSR, England, Australia,etc) and We know what the outcome of what gun confiscation does. Just shows you how stupid and ignorant this prez is to think Americans will sit back and let him have our guns!
    We are a Free-Born, sovereign people and will not allow ourselves to put down, into camps, treated like chattel! Time to water the Tree of Liberty!

    Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!

    • Karolyn

      I’d just like to know where people are seeing anything said about gun confiscation? (other than alarmist websites)? We do not live in the same world today as when Hitler, etc. did their dirty work. People are more informed and educated; and the same things that happened then could not necessarily happen now. I am not saying that it is impossible. Nothing is impossible. However, I am saying that it is improbable.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Read a little history, and you will find those are the same comments made by the Russians, Chinese, and Germans, during their loss of freedom. You do know, of course, that they are all still enslaved to the State?

      • wandamurline

        Australia is now protesting against their government because they gave up their guns and now face an increased 44% crime rate. They are now demanding their guns back and tell us Americans, do not give them up. As Thomas Jefferson put it “THOSE WHO POUND THEIR GUNS TO PLOWS, WILL PLOW FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT”. What this means is that while the law abiding citizen is disarmed, the criminals will keep their guns along with the government. The second amendment was given to us to keep this from happening as our forefathers foresaw this type of government we now have.

      • hipshotpercusion

        Diane Feinstein in 1993…”If i had 51 vote in the Senate, Mr. and Mrs America, turn them all in!” Karolyn. You are either misinformed, or an out right liar. which is it?

      • DaveH

        Karolyn says — “I’d just like to know where people are seeing anything said about gun confiscation?”.
        Power-seeking Policians always have to move slowly until the Overton Window has shifted enough to allow them to perpetrate their true intentions.
        You want some evidence for the causes and the results of gun confiscation, Karolyn? Then read this book:
        http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm

        Yeah I know, the chances of you actually reading it and learning something are pretty remote. It’s much easier to pester good people with your La La Land nonsense, isn’t it, Karolyn?

      • STEVE E.

        At one time in history, people never thought that the evil government would never confiscate peoples hard earned money and give it to someone else also. You have to be educated to know that what I just said is true.

      • Robert Smith

        From Wanda: “Australia is now protesting against their government because they gave up their guns and now face an increased 44% crime rate.”

        Not quite true. If we are going to argue gun issues on the numbers they should be accurate.

        BTW, as seen in the article Australia does not have the same 2nd amendment protections Americans have.

        Check out: http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

        Rob

      • eddie47d

        You have to stop giving the Conservatives facts Robert Smith. It will make them crazier! The partial gun ban in Australia actually worked because its purpose was to stop mass shootings. They had 11 mass killings before that ban and none since 1995. If only the USA could have that record so there are solutions and a necessary compromise needs to be reached. Wanda is also misinformed and most Australians do not want to go back to those “good ‘ol days”.

      • spartacus !!!!!!!

        come on karolyn do you really believe what you just posted !!!!!!!!

      • Hey you

        The government people are not talking about taking away our guns, they are just chipping away at the 2nd amendment. The 2nd says, the people’s right to bear arms shall not be infringed. O.K., but there is an infringement now in the type of arms which are disallowed, officially.

        Do we need automatic weapons? Regardless, that is an infringement.

      • Old Henry

        Karolyn:

        If the people are more informed and educated today then the communist foreign national Kenyan would never have set foot in OUR White House.

        As I recall you hale from SC. Have you heard / read about this legislation?

        http://bighealthreport.com/6263/south-carolina-lawmakers-propose-5-year-jail-sentence-for-obamacare-implementation/

      • Old Henry

        eddie, Snopes is not a reliable source for facts as has been shown on several occasions. The site is run by a pair of lefie loonies.

      • Old Henry

        Speaking of killings, I read that the sicko in NY who shot 4 and killed two firemen had served time for killing his GRANDMOTHER with a hammer back in the 90s. He was sentenced to only 17 years and did not even serve the entire term.

        1. We need HAMMER CONTROL. No one should be able to purchase a hammer heavier than 8 oz. Large hammers kill people!! Where on earth did he get a hammer large enough to kill someone?!
        2. We need to keep murders locked up for life with no parole – or flat out execute them.

      • Robert Smith

        Old Henry claims: “Snopes is not a reliable source for facts as has been shown on several occasions. ”

        Really? And you have examples?

        Meanwhile, I’ve found their references to be sound.

        Rob

      • DaveH

        Robert says — “Not quite true. If we are going to argue gun issues on the numbers they should be accurate”.
        Yeah Robert, you should try that.
        For instance the Snopes reference to murders committed with guns — the typical Liberal equivocation technique. The real consideration is “Has the murder rate declined with Gun Control?”. Why would it matter if they killed each other with hat pins or neckerchiefs? The issue is — Can one protect oneself from those killers? That’s not so easy when one is relatively defenseless.
        http://www.wnd.com/2001/03/8340/

      • DaveH
      • http://none pissed of conservative

        oh really cant happen here?? the new york governer just said gun confiscation is an option

      • eddie47d

        Old Henry: I have never looked at Snopes and found my source elsewhere but now maybe I should. Thanks!

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, your comment is not unexpected. Of course you can’t see the continuous move to disarm the American citizen…they didn’t see it coming in Europe either back in the ’30′s…and Hitler took advatage of the gun bans and confiscation which left millions of victims defensless.

      • JeffH

        Gun Control Myth: Firearms Restriction Reduce Crime
        John Kullman – December 2010

        Gun control advocates have claimed for years that laws which restrict firearms ownership reduces violent crimes. The United States has over 20,000 different gun laws, most of which are at the state and local level. Since the 1960’s states and cities have passed stricter firearms laws intending to reduce violent crime but more often than not violent crime increased.

        Nearly 20% of all U.S. homicides occur in four cities with just 6% of the population. New York, Chicago, Detroit and Washington, D.C. have some of the strictest restrictions on handguns but the highest murder rates. Law-abiding but unarmed citizens are open season for the criminal.

        If the state can’t protect its citizens from violent criminals and law abiding citizens can’t protect themselves, respect for the law and government decrease. If this reaches a low enough level, people have little choice. They must either flee the jurisdiction or take matters into their own hands. And this leads to the unwanted consequence of vigilante justice, where there are no constitutional protections for the accused. Heated anger replaces the cool logic of due process which is meant to protect the innocent from crimson emotion.

      • JeffH

        Mass shootings are no more common than they have been in past decades, despite the impression given by the media.

        In fact, the high point for mass killings in the U.S. was 1929, according to criminologist Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections.

        Incidents of mass murder in the U.S. declined from 42 in the 1990s to 26 in the first decade of this century.

        The chances of being killed in a mass shooting are about what they are for being struck by lightning.

        Until the Newtown horror, the three worst K–12 school shootings ever had taken place in either Britain or Germany.
        Almost all of the public-policy discussion about Newtown has focused on a debate over the need for more gun control. In reality, gun control in a country that already has 200 million privately owned firearms is likely to do little to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals. We would be better off debating two taboo subjects — the laws that make it difficult to control people with mental illness and the growing body of evidence that “gun-free” zones, which ban the carrying of firearms by law-abiding individuals, don’t work.
        http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund

      • Karolyn

        Jeff – Not only is it true of mass killings, but of crime in general. There only appears to be more crime because of more people and more info. being available to everybody.

      • JeffH

        This info is taken from the FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Division:

        ■In 2011, an estimated 1,203,564 violent crimes occurred nationwide, a decrease of 3.8 percent from the 2010 estimate.
        ■When considering 5- and 10-year trends, the 2011 estimated violent crime total was 15.4 percent below the 2007 level and 15.5 percent below the 2002 level.
        ■There were an estimated 386.3 violent crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in 2011.
        ■Aggravated assaults accounted for the highest number of violent crimes reported to law enforcement at 62.4 percent. Robbery comprised 29.4 percent of violent crimes, forcible rape accounted for 6.9 percent, and murder accounted for 1.2 percent of estimated violent crimes in 2011.
        ■Information collected regarding type of weapon showed that firearms were used in 67.7 percent of the nation’s murders, 41.3 percent of robberies, and 21.2 percent of aggravated assaults. (Weapons data are not collected for forcible rape.)

      • JeffH

        “Assault Weapons”

        Assault weapons are not the weapons of choice among drug dealers, gang members or criminals in general. Assault weapons are used in about one-fifth of one percent (.20%) of all violent crimes and about one percent in gun crimes. It is estimated that from one to seven percent of all homicides are committed with assault weapons (rifles of any type are involved in three to four percent of all homicides). However a higher percentage are used in police homicides, roughly ten percent. (There has been no consistent trend in this rate from 1978 through 1996.) Between 1992 and 1996 less than 4% of mass murders, committed with guns, involved assault weapons. (Our deadliest mass murders have either involved arson or bombs.)

        There are close to 4 million assault weapons in the U.S., which amounts to roughly 1.7% of the total gun stock.

        If assault weapons are so rarely used in crime, why all the hoopla when certain military-style-semi-automatic weapons were banned by the Crime Control Act of 1994? A Washington Post editorial (September 15, 1994) summed it up best:

        No one should have any illusions about what was accomplished (by the ban). Assault weapons play a part in only a small percentage of crime. The provision is mainly symbolic; its virtue will be if it turns out to be, as hoped, a stepping stone to broader gun control.
        http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html

      • eddie47d

        What does one mass shooting in Britain (Scotland) or one in Germany or even one in Norway have to do with our continual mass shootings. Its not 26 but 20 per year in the last decade.Many more were plotted but mission never accomplished. You like to use assault weapons numbers yet they are banned and would count for those low numbers. Also AR-15′s and other such weapons are considered assault weapons by the general public because they spray almost an equal amount of fire power. Those who support multiple round magazines of 10 rounds or more are always trying to fool the public. Maybe this time they won’t be fooled because mass killings is death no matter how you string it. .

      • eddie47d

        I wonder if Jeff will acknowledge that crime has been reduced under Obama’s watch or is he strictly using figures to enhance his side of the story? Kind of like NYC where gun crimes have been reduced because of tough laws by Bloomberg. They use to have a huge murder rate but I suppose no credit there either. Mississippi State still has the highest murder rate per 100,000 but the right always likes to bring up big cities as the largest abusers. I think we’ll call it Jeff’s Agenda.

      • Old Henry

        JeffH:

        Whatcha think might happen if, say, the 14th and 19th amendments had restrictions placed on them at the state and local level like the 2nd Amendment?

      • JeffH

        Old Henry, considering the current POTUS is a 14th Amendment citizen I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one and oh how they’d scream if anyome dared to put restrictions and regulations on the 19th…unless, of course, they were progressive ideas.

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        Yes Capitalist at state, they are enslaved to the state because they are trying to get what they want, and if they are not stopped, they will take over all america and we will be in serious trouble

    • wandamurline

      Absoutely. I live in Texas and there is a big push against gun confiscating…by the police, etc. These officers have flatly stated that they will not go and confiscicate guns if given the order to do so….that asking them to do that is just plain crazy.

      • alicia

        Wanda, I live in Texas also and, you must be talking all the people living in your trailer house.

      • Karolyn

        alicia – And what is wrong with people living in a “trailer house?”

      • STEVE E.

        Karolyn, when people like alicia think they have more money than other people, they feel superior to those who have less, so they say things like that. It’s a arrogant rich people thing.

      • JUKEBOX

        Liberals always cover up their real intent by calling it some flowery, innocuous name. They have renamed jails and prisons, calling them “Criminal Justice Centers”, and instead of calling a policeman that, they are called a local code enforcement official. A piece of fesces by any other name is still a piece of fesces. A prime example is the “AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE ACT”. It is anything but affordable for the average person, and is very restrictive on health care.

      • Old Henry

        Ya know Wanda, since most of the Bill of Rights has already been shredded by Shrub, the Repub Congress and the Kenyan half-breed I think we should limit voting to only light-skinned people. Blondes should not be allowed to vote. Only Brunettes and Redheads over 5’6″ should be allowed to vote. And… NO fat people should be allowed to vote. That in and of itself would make the country safer because most idiots would be precluded from voting especially those large magazine fat voters.

      • ranger09

        Wanda, I was born and raised in Texas,I was raised to respect People and their Property, As i got older i learned basic law Enforcement from a county sheriff, My hero at the time was a Texas Ranger i had met.The most basic thing i learned was Right from Wrong, I was also taught to understand and work with Rural and towns People and to try and understand their Problems. But in those days things were a little Different, Our Justice system seemed to care more about the kids and the way they were treated. FIRM but with understanding hands and Heart. I have managed to keep these values all my life I could go on forever, But most all of your Policemen today WILL followt the orders of the Powers to Be, Only the real Men or Women will walk away. Not sure about your feelings about Waco, But did you know Out of hundreds of Policemen, ONLY one deputy walked away, Saying this is all wrong. And he was right.

    • Old Henry

      Here is the Brit’s warning to us regarding guns / gun confiscation.

      http://www.westernjournalism.com/flashback-english-warn-us-not-to-give-up-our-guns/

  • Nobody’s Fool

    With the decline in moral fortitude and fabric of our country, I’m not sure Winston Churchill would say that about Americans today.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I think you would find very few who would say that about Americans today, including me.

    • STEVE E.

      You are right about that. He would not say that about the amoral children the baby boomers have produced.

      • Void1972

        This is the year of 13, the year of illumination. America will never be the same!

      • Karolyn

        Hey, can’t blame that on this baby boomer who never had kids! :-) Seriously, though, I do not believe that a blanket statement like that applies. My brothers have kids, are boomers, and their kids are terrific, as are those of most of my classmates I have reconnected with over the last couple of years on FB. i think you’re way off base.

  • http://www.facebook.com/steveharpersr Steve Harper

    I believe we as Americans first and voters second need to take the steps to rein in Politicians that clearly will not support the Constitution and think they know better than all of us on how to run our country which we see everyday what they know

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The tipping point was reached in the 1990′s and the end is just slowly coming. The average American below the age of 40 cannot and does not read enough history, philosophy, religious studies, and current events. I don’t think they have the reading ability or comprehension above the 6th grade level (pre-1980 levels that is.)

      • Bill

        A good example is some of the liberal posters on this site. Even though we lived through it, they like to change history to fit their argument

      • STEVE E.

        It’s been my experience that 1 in 5 people under 40 have any intelligence at all. And I’m not kidding.

      • eddie47d

        Not really Bill. We are still working on Conservatives to admit past histories. Some get it and some don’t. The fact that we killed Indians from sea to shining sea and was approved by our government and various militias is rarely admitted by those on the right. To them it was no more than justifieable homicide. You know taking and stealing from others and then claiming the killing was necessary. It was Conservatives who endorsed slavery or turned a blind eye to what was going on for the sake of the almighty dollar. It was more Liberal minded folks who wanted to put a stop to it. If history books have been changed it has been changed to the truth about what really happened.

      • JUKEBOX

        Many college graduates today do not have the education that a tenth grade dropout had in the 1950′s. With all of our advanced technology today, most young people do not have enough sense to check the air in their tires, or boil water without burning it.

      • Old Henry

        Liberal-minded folks eddie? You mean like the Democrat run KKK?

      • eddie47d

        Turn yourself in for Alzheimer’s Disease abuse Old Henry before you become a danger to yourself. (Elder abuse)! The KKK was never a Liberal organization. It has always been a Conservative outfit whether under a Democrat or Republican presidency.

      • JeffH

        Old Henry, Ignorance(eddie’s)is bliss…or is it “confusion say my name is eddie”? :)

      • Old Henry

        JeffH, I don’t think eddie ever completely adjusted to the high altitude out there.

      • Old Henry

        The KKK could not be considered as a conservative organization by aonyone with an IQ above a shoe size. It was simply a terrorist organization running along the lines of Fascism.

        Speaking of Fascism check out what a Democrat Congressman had to say recently about guvmint’s role.

        http://patdollard.com/2012/12/dem-congressman-the-state-has-legitimate-right-to-violence-against-rebellious-citizens-but-not-the-other-way-around/

      • eddie47d

        I’m glad you called them what they really are Old Henry but they still invoke Conservative principles.

    • Aileen

      I’m with you Steve. We need to rid the dirtbags in Washington who want the authoritarian power without it being theirs to take. Too bad Congress’ majority and Ovomit (BHO) are supported by the people who get the teaser tidbits from the government. Wait till the [expletive deleted] hits the fan and most Americans will be in the soup/bread lines since all freedoms will have been taken away. This BHO power grab is just the beginning……People need to wake up!

      • MNIce

        Don’t count on soup and bread lines. There’s an earth-worshipping faction in the Neo-communist party that would like to see the earth’s population reduced to less than 1 billion, and they want to start with America because they think we are the most conspicuous consumers of the earth’s resources.

      • eddie47d

        MNice: Name the organization that is advocating to reduce the population to one billion? There are sustainability groups who say that the earth has already passed its limit and some resources are dwindling but not in reducing the present populations.. We are at a tipping point in some areas so what do you advocate? Fresh clean water is in high demand and no new rivers or natural lakes are being made. What we do have on this earth is increasing polluted and harder to treat and natural aquifers are drying up. That effects farmland and the ability to feed a growing world.

      • ranger09

        Young lady you are right , But the People have been seperated for so long, Thanks to the Politicians, for united we are strong, seperated we are weak. Politicians NEVER get punished for their crimes For they write the laws that protect themselves, All politicians protect ea other,does not matter what party they belong to, for all are members of the club. The American people that once was Is no longer, they are only Sheep following the Bell.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      They all took an OATH to defend the constitution and have all broken that oath! They should be prosecuted!!!

      • STEVE E.

        And perhaps, so should the ones that voted for them. I voted in every election, and no one that I have voted for was ever elected. Don’t blame me. The country is in deep do do but I have no fault on my hands. That’s the Ace in the Hole I will have if there is a Judgment Day.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        STEVE E, are you saying that ignorance should be prosecutable? If it were, we’d ALL be in trouble!!!

      • STEVE E.

        Nancy, not all ignorance of course, but there is much ignorance that is self inflicted.

      • JUKEBOX

        Ignorance should not be prosecuted, but it needs to be extremely painful.

      • ranger09

        Nancy, You are so right But who is going to do this, One thing They sure are not going to do this to ea other. Remember the People just keep on letting them stay in office.So we really dont have anything to complain about do we. Nothing will ever change until the People rally and say we have had enought. But this is not going to happen, Sheep do nothing but follow the Bell.

    • ranger09

      Our Forefathers had their own agenda. The king was taking more from them than he could get from the General Population. It was more for their own protection than ours.
      But a lot of good things came out of these same people. Such as the right to keep and hold arms, Why because it was the average citizen that banded together and fought and won the War, So by letting the people keep arms it means they could be protected and defended.
      The seperate State from Church was designed so no One religion could control Govt as had been done in the past, And some still exist today. Govt needs to make decisions based on the overall good for everyone.Even tho some politicians lean towards what religion gives them the most.
      They eliminated the King,Queen and other titles and the control they had. But they just renamed them, Today the President is King, The Congress is part of the Royal Family, Thats why they write laws to protect themselves.They write laws to control the general population, They write laws that punish the general population, And based on these facts they get richer. So when you look at most things today you can see that the Royal family keeps more than the Citizens, And that the Citizens are punished when they rise up.
      Most of our forefathers had control of the wealth in the country and they dang well wanted to keep it, But the new system was geared to let the Public think they had control, But most people can see that the People have No control. Just sheep following the Bell.

  • Dave67

    The one thing I can count on in this world if I happen to feel good about the world for a fleeting second… Gloom and Doom from conservatives…. In 2008, the world was going to end with the election of Obama (it didn’t) and in fact, the economy has gotten better. We still have not fixed the fundamentals with our trade policy and the tax rates are too low on the wealth and we spend too much on defense, farm subsidies and corp welfare… But we are doing better than this time in 2009 when our entire economic system was on the verge of collapse.

    Anyone notice that corp money in the political arena (lobbying, elections) is never a worthy subject for this forum?

    I am just curious on why that is.

    • Flashy

      “Anyone notice that corp money in the political arena (lobbying, elections) is never a worthy subject for this forum?” <—Dave 67

      Perhaps this may give a clue … http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics/freedomworks-tea-party-group-nearly-falls-apart-in-fight-between-old-and-new-guard/2012/12/25/dd095b68-4545-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Dave67: The one thing I can count on in this world if I happen to feel good about the world for a fleeting second… Gloom and Doom from conservatives…. In 2008, the world was going to end with the election of Obama (it didn’t) and in fact, the economy has gotten better.

      The one thing we can all count on you for, Dave67, is fairly-tales and delusions. Where do you live, under a rock?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        He obviously is a rock. Which gives new meaning to the expression: “As dumb as a rock”

      • Dave67

        Sticks and Stones….

        Employment rate… down…. Wall Street…. Up
        Banks are more secure than in 2009.

        That is the reality and your lies and gloom doesn’t change those facts.

      • Bill

        Dave,
        You should pay attention to the GDP numbers, that is the true incator of a recovering economy. Just read history about Reagans GDP numbers during is third year in office after the Carter recession. The Carter recession was far worse the the recession today and after three years, Reagans GDP numbers were in the 6-7%. Obama’s are in the 1% range

      • Flashy

        bill…funny you bring up Reagan. He spent money like my ex-wife and stimulated the economy via defense spending and stimulus packages. BTW..when Reagan was elected in 1980, and assumed office in ’81, we were coming out of the post ‘Nam/oil shortage recession … not heading towards the abyss of a Depression and having extremists wanting to send us the way japan showed wasn’t going to work and Europe amply showing us what would have occurred had we gone that way …

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “Employment rate… down…. Wall Street…. Up
        Banks are more secure than in 2009″.
        I think Dave67 meant to claim that the Unemployment rate is down. But down from where? If we use January 2008 as the baseline (5%), then the current Unemployment rate (7.7%) is up by 54%.
        But the actual Employment numbers are a more valid thermometer of our current illness since they are much harder to fudge than the Unemployment numbers are.
        In January of 2008, the non-farm Employment was 138,023,000.
        In September of 2012 (latest actual figures), the non-farm Employment was 133,568,000.
        So we have about 4,455,000 fewer people employed now than in January of 2008. That with the Government spending more of our GDP than anytime since WWII.

      • DaveH

        Dave 67 says — “Wall Street…. Up”.

        In nominal dollars (before being adjusted for monetary inflation), the Dow is up from April of 2008, but down from October of 2007. But that only tells half the story. When the Federal Reserve creates new money, it goes first to Government and Wall Street (mostly the Crony Capitalists). So one would expect all that new money to show up first in the Dow before consumer prices. But certainly with new money being created, the Dow will at least keep up with the CPI (which it hasn’t).
        See here for a 10-year chart on the Dow Jones:
        http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI+Interactive#symbol=%5Edji;range=20020102,20121203;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

      • DaveH

        Here is a chart of the True Money Supply:
        http://mises.org/content/nofed/chart.aspx?series=TMS

        Notice that the money supply has almost doubled in the last ten years.
        Has the Dow doubled?

        This is one of several ways the Government screws people out of their wealth.

      • Flashy

        Davey boy…you shouldn’t play with numbers. they are dangerous things and may hurt your brain.

        Try using the employment numbers which are directly within the effects of any Obama policy. Jan. 2008 the President wasn’t yet in office and when President Obama did take office in January 2009 we were bleeding almost a million jobs a month as a direct result of the conservative policies of Bush./Cheney.

        In effect, you are saying the job losses from Bush/Cheney programs are those caused by the policies and program of President Obama.

        Try trhese numbers for size

        There were 110,985,000 private sector jobs in January 2009 when Obama took the oath of office.

        In total, 1,358,000 private sector jobs (in seasonally adjusted numbers) have been GAINED from the time Obama took office until now, November 2012, including benchmark revisions. That’s a net increase of 1.2%.

        We have experienced 33 months of positive private-sector job GROWTH from February 2010 until November 2012. We have added 5,570,000 private-sector jobs during those 33 months.

        We now have 112,343,000 PRIVATE sector non-farm jobs, including benchmark revisions.

        As of November 2012, jobs are being added at a faster clip under Obama than under George Bush at the same time in his presidency. At this point in Bush’s presidency (November 2004), there were still 1,141,000 FEWER private sector jobs than when he was inaugurated in January 2001. Now, during Obama’s presidency we have 1,358,000 MORE private sector jobs than when he was inaugurated in January 2009. The number of private-sector jobs didn’t eclipse the number when Bush was first inaugurated until June 2005, in Bush’s second term. [Source: Bur. Labor Statistics and Mollysmiddleamerica.com]

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        67: In 2008, the world was going to end with the election of Obama (it didn’t) and in fact, the economy has gotten better.

        Here are some economic numbers that proves you’re a liar, 67.

        1. In December 2008, 31.6 million Americans were on food stamps. Today, a new all-time record of 47.7 million Americans are on food stamps. That number has increased by more than 50 percent over the past four years, and yet the mainstream media still has the gall to insist that “things are getting better”.

        2. Back in the 1970s, about one out of every 50 Americans was on food stamps. Today, about one out of every 6.5 Americans is on food stamps.

        3. According to one calculation, the number of Americans on food stamps now exceeds the combined populations of “Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.”

        4. According to one recent survey, 55 percent of all Americans have received money from a safety net program run by the federal government at some point in their lives.

        5. For the first time ever, more than a million public school students in the United States are homeless. That number has risen by 57 percent since the 2006-2007 school year.

        6. Median household income in the U.S. has fallen for four consecutive years. Overall, it has declined by over $4000 during that time span.

        7. Families that have a head of household under the age of 30 have a poverty rate of 37 percent.

        8. The percentage of working age Americans with a job has been under 59 percent for 39 months in a row.

        9. In September 2009, during the depths of the last economic crisis, 58.7 percent of all working age Americans were employed. In November 2012, 58.7 percent of all working age Americans were employed. It is more then 3 years later, and we are in the exact same place.

        10. When you total up all working age Americans that do not have a job in America today, it comes to more than 100 MILLION.

        11. According to one recent survey, 55 percent of all small business owners in America “say they would not start a business today given what they know now and in the current environment.”

        12. The number of jobs at new small businesses continues to decline. According to economist Tim Kane, the following is how the decline in the number of startup jobs per 1000 Americans breaks down by presidential administration…

        Bush Sr.: 11.3

        Clinton: 11.2

        Bush Jr.: 10.8

        Obama: 7.8

        13. The U.S. share of global GDP has fallen from 31.8 percent in 2001 to 21.6 percent in 2011.

        14. The United States has fallen in the global economic competitiveness rankings compiled by the World Economic Forum for four years in a row.

        15. There are four major U.S. banks that each have more than 40 TRILLION DOLLARS of exposure to derivatives.

        16. In 2000, there were more than 17 million Americans working in manufacturing, but now there are less than 12 million.

        17. According to the Pew Research Center, 61 percent of all Americans were “middle income” back in 1971. Today, only 51 percent of all Americans are.

        18. The Pew Research Center has also found that 85 percent of all middle class Americans say that it is harder to maintain a middle class standard of living today than it was 10 years ago.

        19. 62 percent of all middle class Americans say that they have had to reduce household spending over the past year.

        20. Right now, approximately 48 percent of all Americans are either considered to be “low income” or are living in poverty.

        21. Approximately 57 percent of all children in the United States are living in homes that are either considered to be either “low income” or impoverished.

        22. According to one survey, 77 percent of all Americans are now living paycheck to paycheck at least part of the time.

        23. Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs. Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs.

        24. The average amount of time that an unemployed worker stays out of work in the United States is 40 weeks.

        25. If you can believe it, approximately one out of every four American workers makes 10 dollars an hour or less.

        26. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, an all-time record 49 percent of all Americans live in a home where at least one person receives financial assistance from the federal government. Back in 1983, that number was less than 30 percent.

        27. Right now, more than 100 million Americans are enrolled in at least one welfare program run by the federal government. And that does not even count Social Security or Medicare. Overall, there are almost 80 different “means-tested welfare programs” that the federal government is currently running.

        28. When you account for all government transfer payments and all forms of government employment, MORE THAN HALF OF ALL AMERICANS ARE NOW AT LEAST PARTIALLY FINANCIALLY DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT.

        29. Barack Obama has been president for less than four years, and during that time the number of Americans “not in the labor force” HAS INCREASED BY NEARLY 8.5 MILLION. SOMETHING seems really “off” about that number, because during the entire decade of the 1980s the number of Americans “not in the labor force” only rose by about 2.5 million.

        30. Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row.

        The rest of the list here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/unemployment-and-poverty-in-america-75-economic-numbers-from-2012-that-are-almost-too-crazy-to-believe/5316546

      • Dave67

        Lets look..

        WTS/JAY says:
        December 26, 2012 at 11:10 am
        67: In 2008, the world was going to end with the election of Obama (it didn’t) and in fact, the economy has gotten better.

        Here are some economic numbers that proves you’re a liar, 67.

        1. In December 2008, 31.6 million Americans were on food stamps. Today, a new all-time record of 47.7 million Americans are on food stamps. That number has increased by more than 50 percent over the past four years, and yet the mainstream media still has the gall to insist that “things are getting better”.

        ****In the last part of 2008 and up until mid 2009 we were losing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS A MONTH*****

        http://mpalumbo.blogspot.com/2011/07/that-obama-job-creation-chart.html

        2. Back in the 1970s, about one out of every 50 Americans was on food stamps. Today, about one out of every 6.5 Americans is on food stamps.

        *****What happened since the 1970′s???? Reaganomics happened…. Spending increases with tax cuts and bad trade policy*****

        3. According to one calculation, the number of Americans on food stamps now exceeds the combined populations of “Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.”

        See above

        4. According to one recent survey, 55 percent of all Americans have received money from a safety net program run by the federal government at some point in their lives.

        ***That is how the system is supposed to work in a severe economic downturn. Should set set up chanty towns like in India or during the depression???****

        5. For the first time ever, more than a million public school students in the United States are homeless. That number has risen by 57 percent since the 2006-2007 school year.

        **** BS numbers you pull that is preciously short on detail how we got here******

        6. Median household income in the U.S. has fallen for four consecutive years. Overall, it has declined by over $4000 during that time span.

        **** Its called a severe recession, the Stock Market crashed in 2008 or did you forget? Millions lost their jobs… BEFORE OBAMA WAS ELECTED!!!!*******

        7. Families that have a head of household under the age of 30 have a poverty rate of 37 percent.

        ****Again, what specifically got us to this place???****

        8. The percentage of working age Americans with a job has been under 59 percent for 39 months in a row.

        **** Of course nothing prior to the 2008 election had anything to do with that or the obstruction and gridlock in Congress*****

        12. The number of jobs at new small businesses continues to decline. According to economist Tim Kane, the following is how the decline in the number of startup jobs per 1000 Americans breaks down by presidential administration…

        Bush Sr.: 11.3

        Clinton: 11.2

        Bush Jr.: 10.8

        Obama: 7.8

        **** noting to do with the severe recession or the tighten hold on credit after the loosened creditr nearly destroyed us of course*****

        13. The U.S. share of global GDP has fallen from 31.8 percent in 2001 to 21.6 percent in 2011.

        ****The countries are called China and India, conservatives did their part to put these BS Trade laws into place that are good for US multinationals but bad for US workers****

        14. The United States has fallen in the global economic competitiveness rankings compiled by the World Economic Forum for four years in a row.

        ***We are #4 in those rankings and the largest country by far in the top 5*****

        15. There are four major U.S. banks that each have more than 40 TRILLION DOLLARS of exposure to derivatives.

        *****So this is due to Obama???? Really????*****

        16. In 2000, there were more than 17 million Americans working in manufacturing, but now there are less than 12 million.

        ***Thank Reagan, Clinton and the Congresses of that period with the emergence of China and India as global economic powers*****

        17. According to the Pew Research Center, 61 percent of all Americans were “middle income” back in 1971. Today, only 51 percent of all Americans are.

        ****Thank the corporatists, Reagan, Clinton and the Congresses for a great deal of that… But hey according to Reagan trickle down works….*****

        18. The Pew Research Center has also found that 85 percent of all middle class Americans say that it is harder to maintain a middle class standard of living today than it was 10 years ago.

        ****See #17****

        19. 62 percent of all middle class Americans say that they have had to reduce household spending over the past year.

        ***Takes time to get out of a recession as severe as this one, the Depression was not solved in 4 years… try again****

        20. Right now, approximately 48 percent of all Americans are either considered to be “low income” or are living in poverty.

        ***See #17 again****

        21. Approximately 57 percent of all children in the United States are living in homes that are either considered to be either “low income” or impoverished.

        ***#17 again***

        22. According to one survey, 77 percent of all Americans are now living paycheck to paycheck at least part of the time.

        “One survey???? which one?” That is like saying “some people say”

        23. Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs. Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs.

        *** Can you compare 1950 to today please? Explain the competition to the United States economically then to now… maybe you will learn something****

        The rest is just right wing rehash nonsense….

      • DaveH

        Flashdunce says — “Try using the employment numbers which are directly within the effects of any Obama policy. Jan. 2008 the President wasn’t yet in office and when President Obama did take office in January 2009 we were bleeding almost a million jobs a month as a direct result of the conservative policies of Bush./Cheney”.
        So, he tells me to try using the employment numbers which are directly within Obama policy, but then he talks about bleeding of jobs under Bush. Make up your mind, Flashman. Can we use the Bush numbers or not?
        For those who know better than to take Flashman’s word for anything. Non-farm Employment numbers from the BLS:
        January 2001 (Bush takes office) — 132,466,000.
        January 2008 (Employment Peak under Bush) — 138,023,000.
        January 2009 (Obama takes office) — 133,561,000.
        September 2012 (latest actual figures) — 133,568,000.

        Notice that the millions of “bleeding” jobs were from those that were added under Bush.
        After $2 Trillion worth of Stimulus Plans under Obama, we have gained 7,000 jobs. So for each job gained, Obama “only” indebted us to the tune of $285,714,285. Get it, Folks? That’s $285 Million for each job added during the Obama reign. What a bargain.
        http://padminiarhant.com/?p=2024

        Spin that one, Flashshill.

      • Flashy

        January 2001 (Bush takes office) — 132,466,000.
        January 2008 (Employment Peak under Bush) — 138,023,000.
        January 2009 (Obama takes office) — 133,561,000.
        September 2012 (latest actual figures) — 133,568,000.

        Don’t have to spin anything Davey. Childish attempts at playing with numbers … tsk tsk. Try doing this. No President controls job growth when they take office. For the first 8 or so months, the budget is that of their predecessor. In timing, the economy they inherit is not affected by any policy of the administration for a minimum of 6 months from date of enactment.

        If you are hired to “turn around’ a company, and your hire date is Jan. 1….according to you jan. 2 should show improvement. I assume you’re going to reply your gawd like presence and sprinkling of pixie dust creates a magical turnaround?

        Note that your numbers of Bush/Cheney have the highest job growth the first year he took office. in other words, the effects of the Clinton economy. And you have Pres. Obama’s figures skewed by using Bush/Cheney’s economy..an economy which we were losing almost 1 million jobs a month.

        In plain language, you inflate Bush/Cheney by giving them Clinton numbers, and deflate Pres Obama by giving him the disasterous economic numbers from the previous, Conservative GOP, administration.

        If you had chance to meet Diogenes, his task would remain unfulfilled.

        • Frank Kahn

          Now, dont get me wrong, I see that Obama has been a great savior and has helped to create a large number of jobs in his 4 years. I am so happy to see that there was a magnificent increase of 7,000 that is seven thousand people more employed in his first 4 years (your numbers not mine). Thats a whopping 148 jobs a month. Or, more precisely, 148 fewer unemployed a month. No, wait, 148 more employed a month, have to consider new people joining the work force each month so that does not reduce the unemployment number does it.

          Now, Flashy, I am using your numbers (by the numbers), so if you have some quarrel with them please let us know where YOU went wrong.

      • JeffH

        Why is it that the liberal/progressives like to measure the financial health of America with the “stock market”?

        The Stock Market Is Not the Economy! The current economy remains terrible in terms of two key components, employment and wage growth, which clearly are not market factors and the economy right now has nothing to do with stocks.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Dave67:Anyone notice that corp money in the political arena (lobbying, elections) is never a worthy subject for this forum?

      I am just curious on why that is.

      You spout nothing but pure BS, naturally, since you’re full of it! The issue you speak of has been the discussion on many occasions, and discussed Ad nauseam.

    • Aileen

      Sorry Dave67, things are not getting better here in California. I think w/ BHO in charge and his lap dogs (pelosi, reid etc) we will be deep in the muck for years to come. I am convinced we will all lose big and regret we didn’t put up a bigger fight to keep our rights Some of us must be in different worlds not to see the harm and destruction we are allowing to be done to us. Where will our children and grandchildren be in 20 yrs? . I am appalled that this is supposed to be a free country and it is being ripped out from under us. Maybe if we fell fast and hard others would realize the ‘occupation’ of socialism is NOT a good thing. I want my freedom not mandates! Just for laughs, does any one really think Biden could run this country if something happened to our Leader. Pass the puke bag………

      • Dave67

        What rights have you lost specifically due to Obama????… Give them to me please. What do you have? CA for be in much better shape if the leaches in states like AL, MS, KY. SC etc did not get more than a dollar back from the Fed Gov while states like CA, NY, IL get less than a dollar back in pork. You have been subsidizing the conservative states for decades. Your anger is misplaced like most conservative’s are…

      • MNIce

        Dave67, you ask us to tell you what rights we “have lost specifically due to Obama.” One signature alone (on ObamaCare ) has cost us the following:
        1. The right not be directly taxed by the Federal government other than by income taxes.
        2. The right to freely exercise our religion in matters of purchasing abortifacient substances, (or more to the point, refusing to do so).
        3. The right to be secure in our papers will be violated by demands that we produce our health insurance papers, and the seizure of our medical records for a national database (the construction of which is a lucrative contract for a major corporate donor to the Obama campaign).
        4. The right to Congressional representation in the making of laws – the Secretary of Health and Human Services was given vast powers to actually write much of the law after the signature, a considerable portion of it was left to “the Secretary” to define.
        5. Since the right to freely contract for financial services (health insurance) or choose our own health care are not defined in the Constitution, Obamacare takes them away and forces us into a government cookie-cutter model. This is a blatant violation of the Ninth Amendment, as well as the freedom of association.

        There are literally hundreds of violations of the Tenth Amendment in Obamacare. Suffice it to say for the moment that it is a violation of our right to a limited federal government. The lawsuits that have been filed to date are only the beginning; this odious legislation may provide full careers for an army of lawyers. What a waste of talent and resources!

        Note that this is only one instance. You might want to look into how Mr. Obama demanded, and received language in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 supposedly permitting him to arrest and hold at will US citizens on American soil indefinitely without trial, contrary to the Article I, Section 9 prohibition against denying the Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus. Mr. Obama claimed he wouldn’t use it, but if that is so, why ask for it? We also note that he has spoken falsehoods on several occasions, so we have reason to be concerned about his veracity in this matter.

    • U.S.Cavalry

      Please tell me where i can get a pair of the “ROSE”colored glasses you are wearing and also i want 1 oz. of whatever you have been smoking. Will you still feel the same after the comming events of “GLOBAL DEPRESSION & Currency Collapse. I’am a student of history & economics, And buddy it is comming.

      • Dave67

        Yep, it was coming in 2009… 2010….2011….2012 every year… was the year Obama was going to wreck the country. Did not happen and is not going to happen.

        But conservatives have precious little to say when they reduced the regs on credit, allowed investment banks and savings banks to merge and eased regs on speculatory oil trading… Much of what conservatives favor (deregulation, unrealistic tax cuts) helped get us to the collapse of 2008. But no… its all liberals and Obama’s fault.

      • nc

        U.S. Calvary, haven’t you heard? It’s not “coming”! It Is here. Others like you promised that the election of Obama in 2008 would bring rack and ruin to our country. He would cancel the 2012 election! And he did! He would then announce himself dictator! And he did! He was weak on defense and the other countries would invade us! And they did! He was weak on terrorism and they would attack us at will! And they did! Our economy would collapse completely!! And it did! He would build FEMA Camps and fill them with political prisoners! And he did. He would be a ONE term President! And he……OH [expletive deleted] !!!!!!! NONE OF THIS HAPPENED,
        But the people who promised us this sounded so smart and gave us examples furnished by Faux Noise and PL!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        nc:Others like you promised that the election of Obama in 2008 would bring rack and ruin to our country. He would cancel the 2012 election! And he did!

        Not necessary since elections were rigged!

        nc: He would then announce himself dictator! And he did!

        Agreed! His actions testify and confirm your claim!

        nc: He was weak on defense and the other countries would invade us! And they did!

        By “THEY” he meant “WE” and “WE” DID!

        nc: He was weak on terrorism and they would attack us at will! And they did!

        By “TERRORISTS” he meant “HIS ADMINISTRATION” and he DID!

        nc: Our economy would collapse completely!! And it did!

        Define collapse…define improvement?

        nc: He would build FEMA Camps and fill them with political prisoners! And he did.

        No need for FEMA-Camps, he has DRONES, remember? A cheaper alternative!

        nc: He would be a ONE term President! And he……OH [expletive deleted] !!!!!!!! NONE OF THIS HAPPENED,

        We underestimated the number of PARASITES lodged in obama’s a-hole that swayed the outcome!

        nc: But the people who promised us this sounded so smart and gave us examples furnished by Faux Noise and PL!

        Even a broken clock id correct once a day!

      • Hey you

        You’re undoubtedly correct, U.S.Cal. Those continuously printed dollars will sooner or later show up in the economy and then the big currency collapse will have arrived.

    • Aileen

      Oh, Dave 67, We shall start with mandate Obamacare, then to trillions of dollars of Debt which has been vastly accelerated because of Obama (remember his Shovel-ready joke), then to his illegal immigration lawsuits against Arizona to not allow our states to protect themselves and allow indigents to take over… then to not providing a welcoming business climate or to not giving outsourcing companies the incentives to return here and hire our citizens. Note: the list has just begun and we have 4 MORE YEARS of BS coming from him. Oh yeah, higher taxes all around! And, who said he has to live high on the hog while we are paying for his vacations through the nose! Failed solar companies? ETC…Where have you been this last 4 years?

      • Dave67

        Oh Aileen, do you know what happens to spending and revenue during a severe recession? Spending goes up… Revenue goes down. Revenue also goes down when you have trade policy for the past 30 years that allows good American jobs to leave for foreign shores

        Obamacare…Do you believe you have a right to be a burden on society? That is what people who don’t have HC insurance are when they get sick or in an accident and can’t/won’t pay for HC insurance. This law helps minimize that… you don’t know this because you listen to Fox news all your life….

        You have yet to show ANY freedom you have lost due to Obama. I live in this moronic state called AZ and I know the political shell game that was SB1070. Do you know we have a private prison system in this state where the Gov and her cronies make tones of money off filling beds in this prisons? Of course you don’t…. You are in la la land….Of course they want SB1070 for that reason and that reason alone. Thanks to organizations like the US Chamber of Commerce who have championed businesses hiring illegals to to the the jobs Americans won’t do, you have a choice… allow the practice to continue and have them use our services while they do this work or pay more for food, your home and other services that Americans won’t due… Its the new slavery. The Gov has been busy undoing that part of SB1070 that goes after migrant farm workers after huge protests by big agro. You don’t know anything about that either.

        Do you know anybody eager to pick food in Yuma AZ?

        Give me the list of freedoms Obama has taken from you personally… Can you?

        Oh BTW… The United States is #4 in the world in 2012 for business investment… Another BS conservative myth….

      • DaveH
      • eddie47d

        The American Thinker and its 5 points? What a hoot! ! 1. Few Americans under private care can choose what is in their plan unless they will accept a watered down policy with little coverage. 2. Few plans give financial breaks for healthy living and they charge the same. They only give you advice or discounts in how to remain healthy. 3 and 4. Anyone with enough money can buy any extra healthcare treatments they want if not included. 5. I see nothing to stop private doctors from vying for your healthcare dollars for there are always exceptions on everything. If AHCP doesn’t offer eye surgery I bet there will be a doctor who will and so forth. In their “sum up”: One reason healthcare costs so much is the repetitive tests that are given that are not needed. They do that all the time as it is and it needs to be reduced. (unless you are willing to pay out of own pocket).

      • Bill

        DaveH
        I see we read the same publications

      • Bill

        Eddie,
        So, do we get healthy discounts under Obamacare. Show me where, I want to sign up

      • eddie47d

        It could happen Bill whatever you are trying to prove. Those discounts are like a rewards card where you get a small price decrease for using an affiliate company.

      • Bill

        Eddie,
        I do not believe in drug based healing and I keep myself in good shape. So, why should I have to pay for someone who leads an unhealthy lifestyle and cries the blues to give them more expensive drugs when they get sick

        People should be rewarded for taking responsibility for their own health, not penalized

      • Karolyn

        I agree with you, Bill. I hate the fact that I had to purchase Medicare B when I turned 65. I do not use medications and am very healthy. mI only go to the doctor if injured or for routine yearly bloodwork to keep tabs.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston
      • Capitalist at Birth

        Bob, Don’t hold your breath. We need you to survive, please.

      • Dave67

        Yes, they have been touched on as an ad for Ron Paul…. Do you ever talk about how Freedomworks gets its money?

        We should be talking about big money in the political process more than illegal immigration, guns, the evils of “liberalism”

        But its not… it is completely under reported. The Tea party crowd is not the flag holder for big money out of the process since they are bankrolled by big money interests.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Dave67,

          You write: “Yes, they have been touched on as an ad for Ron Paul.” Another lie.

          You write: “Do you ever talk about how Freedomworks gets its money?” I have written often of how the Tea Party has been co-opted by the GOP machine. I write about FW as much as I write about how Media Matters gets its money. It is irrelevant. They are two sides of the same coin: both part of the 1 percent.

          You write: “We should be talking about big money in the political process more than illegal immigration, guns, the evils of ‘liberalism’” Who is “we?”

          You write: “The Tea party crowd is not the flag holder for big money out of the process since they are bankrolled by big money interests.” I am not an advocate for the GOP-controlled Tea Party or a spokesman or agenda setter for the Tea Party.

          I have divested myself of the false left/right paradigm and conventional wisdom. You have not. Until you do you will remain confused.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Mr. Livingston, i’ve provided Mr. 67 with links as well. Unfortunately, my post to 67 is awaiting moderation!

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear WTS/Jay,

          You write: “’ve provided Mr. 67 with links as well.” Thank you.

          You write: “Unfortunately, my post to 67 is awaiting moderation!” All posts with multiple links automatically go to moderation.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        You have a strange way of apologizing, 67. Too busy eating crow, you lying sack of…!

      • Dave67

        Tea party? Co-opted???? heck… they were started by these people…. The “Occupy Wall Street” has at least some credibility since they are not aligned with either corrupt party. Not so with the Tea party crowd….

        “We” is the country….

        What do you deal in Bob? You deal in all the paradigms when it suits you… Where is the “liberal politics” dropdown menu???? You deal in the same crap everyone does and don’t pretend that somehow you are above the fray. That is a lie. Do deal in absolutes like your conservative brothers and sisters do.

        You are a conservative and you write from that point of view and champion its virtues as practiced in this country.

        Do not pretend you don’t.

        You are not the Pope of political neutrality.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Dave67,

          You write: “they were started by these people…” Lies are your stock-in-trade today. Or are you just ignorant?

          You write: “The “Occupy Wall Street” has at least some credibility since they are not aligned with either corrupt party. “ You have much to learn.
          http://wrongkindofgreen.org/tag/national-endowment-for-democracy/
          http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2790225/posts
          http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/02/removing-the-scales/

          You write: “’We’ is the country….” Then get on with it. I’m doing my part.

          You write: “You deal in all the paradigms when it suits you…” Hardly.

          You write: “You are a conservative and you write from that point of view and champion its virtues as practiced in this country.” I have never denied I’m conservative. Your problem is you don’t know the difference between a conservative and a Republican. There are currently no conservative virtues being “practiced” in this country.

          BTW: Still awaiting the apology.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • DaveH

        What about the Donor List precludes Freedom-Loving ideas, Dave67?
        Are you not capable of determining whether concepts are pro-Freedom or anti-Freedom without consulting a donor list?

      • Dave67

        Bob,

        Did I call you a Republican? Do you or have you ever lumped all Democrats as liberals? I bet you have…

        You claim that somehow I don’t know about conservatives and conservatism… I can make the same claim about you and your conservative brothers who follow you when you get to talking about liberals.

        I am sorry, I mispoke… the subject has been touch on here but compared to guns, the supposed war on Christianity, Obama as the devil, and all the other stories… it gets lost here is the doom and gloom that gets spread. In my opinion, the large sums of money that gets thrown around to make policy is this country’s greatest threat.

        When I mention SOLUTIONS, not just the problem when I post here… the big money in the political process is always on the top of my list.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        You use George Soros do you not to make cases against liberals and democrats when he makes his donations… Well it works both ways. DaveH, how are you living your life today that is different from 2008? I can tell you as someone who makes 6 figures, I have not lost any personal freedom. Now there are people out there that are fine with being a burden on society when in comes to HC, those freeloaders are now complelled to be a party of the society. I wish you had a clue what that means. I do however have a serious problem with the gov being able to detain any American without due process. That is just an addition to the Patriot Act your conservative friends passed in the early 2000′s (Oh… I keep forgetting… they are neocons)

        Hey Bob,

        You say you are divested from the Tea Party? I just got a letter sponsored by you from your “friends” at theteaparty.net. Sounds like you are dealing in the conservative/liberal paradigm to me.

        What is the view like from your lofty throne?

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Dave67,

          You write: “You say you are divested from the Tea Party? I just got a letter sponsored by you from your “friends” at theteaparty.net.” You have a comprehension problem today. I did not “say” that. I wrote: “I have divested myself of the false left/right paradigm and conventional wisdom.” I also wrote: “I am not an advocate for the GOP-controlled Tea Party or a spokesman or agenda setter for the Tea Party.” The organization, Teaparty.net, purchase the rights to advertise to our Personal Liberty list. Allowing a group to purchase advertising does not imply endorsement.

          You write: “Sounds like you are dealing in the conservative/liberal paradigm to me.” Again, you misstate what I wrote. Apparently you are a victim of public nonedcuation.

          You write: “What is the view like from your lofty throne?” ad hominem?

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        67: What is the view like from your lofty throne?

        What is the view like from your dung-pile, 67? Are you not familiar with the common disclosures typical of news and media providers;

        The views expressed on this site/station do not necessarily reflect those of the station(PLD). The content here belongs to PLD and it’s many contributors. Views and opinions expressed by all contributors belong to them and not, necessarily to the Station( PLD)! Why don’t you go and be despicable somewhere else, 67?

      • Bill

        Dave67,
        So, let’s hear your solutions to get this economy rolling again and see GDP’s of above 7%

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “You use George Soros do you not to make cases against liberals and democrats when he makes his donations?”.
        I do not. Show me Dave67 where I have said anything about George Soros.
        It must be nice to just tell people whatever lies you need to make your point, Dave67.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “I can tell you as someone who makes 6 figures, I have not lost any personal freedom”.
        6 figures? Are they paying shills that much now?
        That is typical for people who are on the side of the Freedom takers. But Freedom isn’t defined, Dave67, by what you’ve lost. It’s defined by what anybody loses. And obviously there are many many people who have lost lots of Freedom in the last 100 years.
        In 1910 Total Government Spending was 8% of GDP.
        In 2010 Total Government Spending was 41% of GDP.
        That’s 5 times as much Government as we had in 1910. Since Government is Force, that’s 5 times as much Force (or Loss of Freedom) as they had in 1910.

    • STEVE E.

      Dave 67, I hate to bust your bubble, but the economy is not better.

      • eddie47d

        I did like his “you are not the Pope of political neutrality” though. Few on this site are politically neutral including any of the authors.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Or 67, for that matter!

    • Aileen

      What have I lost directly attributed from Obama?
      1. Freedom to make decisions on healthcare, paying for others’ abortions…etc
      2. Money, due to job loss. BTW never collected Unemployement insurance took a lesser paying job. Who knew jobs are out there?
      3. More money, as in higher taxes.
      4. Any remaining belief that elections were remotely fair, as in massive fraud.

      By the way, I love Sheriff Arpaiyo and Jan Brewer. I wish they were here in CA!

      5. Obama lies and flipflops more than a reversable rug. Can’t believe in his word. A LIAR.
      Why would anyone believe him for anything. This is our President? Disgusting!
      6. The illegals still will get free medical care why should I, we, us pay for that?

      No, I don’t know anyone who would pick vegies in Yuma, but I pick plenty of them in my yard.

      I am not a Republican, rather, a center of the road Independent. No, I don’t only watch FOX. I am capable of thinking on my own. Thank you for your description of me when you don’t know me at all.

      As a constituent of CA’s political machine, I only get form letters from Boxer and Feinstein when I take the time to write them, what a waste. They don’t represent me in the least. As for the ridiculous raising of taxes and hundreds of thousands leaving this once great state it seems I am deeply concerned about not just CA but this country. Slippery slope.

      As just a short list of things that have been ‘taken’ away from me (obama has done the greatest damage and ripped us off with his kingly wisdom that he knows better) his self appointed mandates to shut down the internet, murder US citizens, know what time you leave for work every day (2010 US census) etc…This is just the beginning, I hope you are happy with the Imposter in the White House, I am not.

      I agree to disagree with you, and vice versa. That for now is one thing we still have the freedom to do.

      • Dave67

        Aileen,

        Sorry, you really need to come out from the right wing info bubble.

        Mandates from Obama? What was the GOP’s #1 mission in 2008 after Obama was elected? I will give you a hint… It wasn’t jobs… Which party is responsible for record numbers of filibusters that prevent anything from getting done? I will give you another hint… Its not the Dems…

        Obama murdered people? If you feel that way, how do you feel about Ronnie Reagan and Bush Inc for the killing they are responsible for?

        I am doing better than I ever have today financially and I am in sales so I do it all myself and my support team, not bailouts or asking the Gov to save me.

        You want that glory hound Sheriff Joe who has wasted millions in AZ and thinks he is above the law and the community college flunky Jan Brewer? You can have them both… AZ is a mess… look where we rank educationally? We are pathetic. I may have to move back to the DC area so I can get my children a decent education. We are in debt up to our eyeballs due to nobody wanting to pay for anything. CA has a different problem… They are set up for internal gridlock and somebody needs to clean up how initiates are voted on and taxation for the state. CA needs more of the money it sends to DC to get sent to KY, WV, AL, MS and other 3rd world states like that.

        Middle class and poor taxes have gone DOWN, not up under Obama.

        With your attitude, you are not middle of the road, you are a rightist. Its just what you are.

      • eddie47d

        Aileen had a few misconceptions of her own in saying abortions are paid by her, (not allowed)That is rare and I’m sure a few slip through under the radar such as to save the life of a mother. The paper today said that Tucson is telling officials to lighten up because a good chunk of their business is from Mexicans patronizing their stores. They cross the border to buy goods they can’t find in Mexico. Arpaio’s (maybe even Brewers) policies have hurt more than helped them. Her choice of words tells which side she is really on and is hardly Independent.

      • Bill

        Good points, Aileen
        I tried to write Feinstien and boxer about the FDA implementing Codex to control over our right to heal ourselves with herbs and supplements instead of drugs.

        I just got a form letter from both of them saying they had to excercise more control over that nasty vitamin c. It is obvious that they are in the pocket of the drug conpanies

      • eddie47d

        No one is stopping you from buying Vit C or Echinacea or whatever. The thing is some of those products like Ginkgo Biloba can be harmful if too much is taken. I guess we could call them Little Pharma.

      • Bill

        Eddie
        And so are your Statin drugs. It is just that they are a billion dollar business, based on a false study and backed by polititians

      • Karolyn

        eddie – It is up to the responsible consumer to do his own homework. The gov. should not interfere in the use of natural substances. We are all responsible for what goes into our bodies. I just read recently where they are considering not even allowing food sellers to say that a particular food is helpful with some health issues. If they do that, then it can be considered a drug under current rules. Talk about ridiculous! It’s worse in Europe, and Codex Alimentarius started there around 10 years ago or so. The US is starting to catch up, more’s the pity, which is why I sign all petitions from ANH.

      • eddie47d

        Karolyn: I’m not disagreeing with you but when you buy an asprin it says for reducing pain or headache. When I buy a herbal or vitamin it says “for good health maintenance” Their labeling is not very credible either over Big Pharma .I’ve bought from Swanson’s for years which is a good company but their labeling leaves a lot to be desired. They could at least say for heart health,pain or mental wellness on their products.

    • JUKEBOX

      Dave, have you been sharing some of those wonderful drugs that Obama has admitted to being so fond of in his own writings?

      • Karolyn

        And so what if he is, Jukebox? Personal freedom, you know. Some of those drugs bring about awareness that those who have never imbibed will never know.

      • S.C.Murf

        Jukebox this is for Big K. Are you advocating drugs karolyn? You also go along with all the booze here in America? TIME to make that popping sound girl. The reason their is so much drug and alcohol abuse is because of the MONEY. Our govt. is not going to do anything about it because a drunk and drugged society is so much easier to control. The bible even says to stay away from mind altering drugs and drink because of the thoughts that will infiltrate your brain from satan and his demon’s. God does not make mistakes man does. satan is very powerful and has the ability to cast thoughts of pure evilness into your brain. You need to dig deeper for the truth girl, satan wants you the way you are right now because you put up no fight for truth and wisdom.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Karolyn

        The reason for rampant drug and alcohol abuse, SC, is lack of the proper education. Since kids are not taught the truth about life and how to live it by their parents, they should be taught in school, which is a captive audience. We are brought up on fairytales, and when those fairytales don’t come true, many turn to an alternate reality. If each person is taught to find the real Truth within, there would be no need for greed and power struggles.We are all born with the innate ability to know the Truth but are brainwashed by society, starting at infancy. Thank goodness more and more people are coming to this realization, and we have a chance to change the world. I am for personal liberty – the freedom to do whatever we want as long as it does not infringe upon the liberty of another.

    • Aileen

      Again, Dave 67; I am not the ultra conservative you claim I am.
      You may be a 6 figure man as you claim, but the words from your fingers tips show that you have little willingness to acknowledge that there are many aspects of beliefs out there that are nonconforming to your own liberal, unhealthy views. Sadly we must live together on this ever-shrinking earth and the fact that this President is uncooperative and lies and takes away our constitutional rights and assumes he is given the all clear to raise taxes, strip our religious rights and force obamacare down our throats is the most unAmerican leader we have had. It is astounding that you can even be minutely supportive of the jerk.

      This man, Obama, is determined to devastate this great country and you will have been a part of it. He certainly is not the god that he seems to think he is. The devil works in mysterious ways…..

      On the other hand, maybe it is just FUN for you to irk, and belittle others that think differently than you do. That this is what drives you? Is this the fuel for your engine?

      You have not made the case for the President in any way. You just have the mentality of blame the republicans & conservatives. I believe you are misguided for the mistaken thoughts racing through your head. Maybe you should move to DC to be amoung the ones you can commisarate with. They would welcome you gladly.

      Your commentaries today have just strengthed my belief that i am right and morals do count. Peace to you….

      • Dave67

        Morals do count… Obama has not done the real damage to this country Aileen, Sorry to burst your bubble there. US multinationals, the big banks, big energy and their lobbying efforts have in Gov. Reagan, Clinton and the various Congresses are their tools.

        Corporations have no morals, no loyalty to this country. Corporations were concocted so that people who run them escape responsibility for their actions on the part of the firm. And you wonder why we as a country lack personal responsibility?

        Belittle???? You mean the BS that conservatives put on this board everyday towards liberals and progressives? Are conservatives accepting of people who believe differently than they do? How does that work exactly?

        I am a liberal who fights back against Conservative BS. I guess you hate a taste of your own medicine.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        67: Morals do count… Obama has not done the real damage to this country Aileen, Sorry to burst your bubble there.

        Obama has maintained the status quo! Naturally, things are progressively deteriorating…

      • Dave67

        There Jay…. We agree… Obama has maintained the “status quo” Corporate control just like Bush, Clinton, Reagan and the list goes on.

  • SarahR

    Regarding gun control. No one seems to be delving into the possibility of retired or unemployed soldiers retiring or returning from combat becoming armed guards at schools. I would think that retired vets would do this service for little to no pay. Perhaps volunteer. It would be a good job for returning soldiers. I don’t hear anyone talking about this possibility.

    • Flashy

      Ironic ain’t it? gun freaks stating any inconvenience on buying a gun is a horrific intrusion upon their Rights, and that they continuously spout the line of “defending against the State’…and they are the ones proposing a more intrusive police state. Armed police and guards in schools, malls, public buildings. A national data base where everyone’s mental health is available. Having everyone armed in the streets so the police have to treat everyone as “armed and dangerous’ …

      Yet…they object to any proposal which may actually deal with limiting bad guys getting a gun without burdening their “Right’ to have a gun. Registering each and every sale…gun number and who bought it. Heavens forbid that those who sell guns to bad guys be outed. Doing away with offensive killing weapons such as assault rifles … they’d rather we arm firemen responding to a fire, or have teachers pack iron placing their job of education as a secondary aspect of work, or have metal detectors in malls and movie theatres. Or..have young pre-teen boys go to a movie and find a loaded pistol in the theatre which someone lost. (that happened Monday).

      Selfish and shortsighted can’t even begin to describe these folks….

      • Capitalist at Birth

        When you come to take every ones arms away, will you be prepared for the fight? I don’t think you have the guts to do it yourself. You will have the and armed police force do it for you. You are a coward and a liar. [threatening comment removed]

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Was the murderer ad Sandy Hook a bad guy? Who knew it and when? Was his mother that owned the firearms a bad person? How do you know all of these answers? I don’t think you do know who is a bad guy. Nor, do I think you should be the judge of someones character or mental condition. These are complicated questions without simple knee jerk solutions. Or are you that dense? Oh I’m sorry, you had a brain flash, or was that a fart?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Too bad they removed my challenge to you to meet me face to face to debate this subject in person. How about: Texas, Colorado, Missouri, Nevada, Oklahoma, or Florida?

      • thx sks

        bad guys will always have gun’s and they gun free zones

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Ironic ain’t it? gun freaks stating any inconvenience on buying a gun is a horrific intrusion upon their Rights, and that they continuously spout the line of “defending against the State’…and they are the ones proposing a more intrusive police state”.

        And your evidence for that claim is what, Flashman? Hiring an armed guard has little to do with a Police State, unless the Government uses that opportunity to impede peoples’ freedom.

      • Robert Smith

        From Flashy: “Doing away with offensive killing weapons such as assault rifles …”

        “Assault rifles” are fully automatic weapons that are generally already illegal for citizens to have.

        The “looks like an assault rifle” game gun grabbers are trying to play is based entirely upon ignorance with the exception that high capacity clips might be a factor.

        In fact anyone who gets out of the military who has seen combat and who has been trained up to speed on one of those weapons will find themselves very comfortable with the exact same weapon in semi-auto form. Why shouldn’t they be allowed to buy such a firearm as a civilian?

        There are two things to consider…

        The right wants their guns, and the fact is that they rarely shoot anyone illegally.

        The left wants the war on drugs ended. They want women to be able to make their own decisions about reproduction. They want individuals to decide about their own end of life issues, and not some religious nut deciding for them, etc.

        IF we don’t respect the rights those on the right claim, how can our own desires for rights be valid?

        Gun control doesn’t work any better than drug control, woman control, or whatever control.

        A free America must be free for all Americans, even the right wing.

        Rob

      • Flashy

        “And your evidence for that claim is what, Flashman?”<—Daveyboy

        Read a little bit more long the post Davey. What's your idea of a police state? For certain, mine would include having an armed state presence in every public building, every school, and every affair.

        How did we get to the point where gun freaks are calling for a police state so they can have their unfettered access to pack iron to protect against a police state ? Because the gun freaks think and demand their Right usurps all others, including being safe in society and free of a constant police presence …

      • eddie47d

        Capitalist at Birth is trying to imitate Aaron Burr in this chest puffing duel thing! Straight out of Middle School ?

      • JUKEBOX

        Flashy, you can, with a few hundred dollars, buy a gun on the street in almost any city in the country, without any background check, waiting period, or registration. Wake up man and smell REALITY. More laws will not change anything, except for the declaration of MARTIAL LAW, which Obama is working toward below the surface.

      • Bill

        Robert
        Am I hearing right? You are saying that if we agree to eliminate the war on drugs and give women complete freedom to make their reproductive systems then you will back off on gun control and we can buy any gun we want?

        I am fine with that. I think a women should decide what she does with own body and I think legalizing drugs will save us a lot of money.

        I also like AK47′s

      • DaveH

        Flashman isn’t going to wake up, Jukebox, because he’s paid to say what he says.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Read a little bit more long the post Davey”.
        I read your entire equivocating post, Flashman, and I still see no evidence to back up your claim.

      • Flashy

        Flashy, you can, with a few hundred dollars, buy a gun on the street in almost any city in the country, without any background check, waiting period, or registration.<—Jukebox

        My point exactly Juke. How will one know who is selling the bad guys guns if there is no way to backtrack the sales? Don't you think going after the supply lines to the bad guys is better than having gun registration for everyone?

        And, as the bad guy supply lines become restricted, and those selling to bad guys face investigation and limelight, do you not think the price will go up…and soon out of financial reach of those who have no money in the first place?

        Think about that ….

    • U.S.Cavalry

      I guess you haven’t seen the latest articles about the government calling for all veterans to be dissarmed. Guess they are afraid the veterans might protect and defend the Constitution. Which means most of them would be tried for treasion and hung.

      • Karolyn

        I would just like to know where these ‘latest articles” came from.

      • Flashy

        Heck..I’d like to see these “latest articles” … betchya they don’t exist…

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You may want to ask a veteran ending their term of service. Oh, that’s right you don’t know any veterans. Perhaps, you may want to take your own private poll. I have spoken to no less than thirty retiring/ending terms of service veterans and they all tell me the same thing. Except for their personal fire arms they must turn in all service related fire arms by their date of termination. This is fairly new according to the veterans I know, which probably number over 100. How many veterans do you know?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        For your information: The Veterans Disarmament Act signed into law January 8th, 2008 by the traitor George W. Bush. was H.B. 2640 submitted by Ca. Democrap McCarty . Unfortunately the word is out and many of the vets will know how to answer the questions to evade being sanctioned, illegally.

      • STEVE E.

        Hey everybody, remember Brandon Raub?

      • DaveH

        Karolyn says — “I would just like to know where these ‘latest articles” came from”.

        Flashman says — “Heck..I’d like to see these “latest articles” … betchya they don’t exist”.

        Folks, how often have you seen either one of these pests post references for their claims?

      • Robert Smith

        Here goes Capitalist again: “Oh, that’s right you don’t know any veterans.”

        I AM a Vet. I put my four years into the USN.

        MOF many of those you proclaim to hate, like Jimmy Carter, are vets. Serving on a nuclear sub isn’t a vacation.

        John Kerry, remember him… He was a victim of the Swift Boat Liars. He is a decorated vet. Barry Goldwater… Pro-choice and didn’t care about gays in the military…

        Again and again you are wrong, Capitalist.

        Rob

      • eddie47d

        What banana boat did you fall out of this time Capital at Birth? When has it ever been any different where military personal don’t have to turn in their weapons?

      • Karolyn

        Oh, yes I do, Dave. Most recently, the other day. Of course, I can’t remember what it was, but I most certainly do post links when they are pertinent. Oh! Right! I posted a link about the ;fallacious story of Obama’s “gandmother” saying he was born in Kenya. In your persistent war on me, you will go to any lengths, won’t you? As I’ve said before, even when I agree with you (which I do at times), you find some minute detail to attack. And I NEVER denigrate you like you do me! Why, Dave?

      • Karolyn

        OMG, Capitalist! EVERYBODY knows vets!

      • DaveH

        You NEVER denigrate me, Karolyn?
        I see your Magic Mirror is still lying to you.

      • Karolyn

        No, Dave, I don’t. I simply respond to what you post. I really do not recall denigrating you because i respect what you have to say, no matter what it is. I respond to your comment, not to you. If you can prove me wrong, I will acknowledge it, but I seriously don’t recal doing that to you.

  • hipshotpercusion

    Anyone who believes gun Control is the answer should view the movie ‘Innocence Betrayed ‘ by the late great Aron Zellman the founder of JPFO. It is estimated that some 200 million people were liquidated by their own governments in the 20th century after first being disarmed. This is not made up fantasy but hard cold world history. Lets not repeat the mistakes made in the last century.

  • http://TheMiracleofSelfPower Iris D. Lynch

    My book The Miracle of Self Power (www.themiracleofselfpower.com) could go a long way to changing people’s understanding of what is going on in their world (and ours). The very BASIC reason that ANY ONE (like BO and ASSOCS.) knock themselves out gathering power is to dominate the entire US and eventually the world. This CAN be stopped, but individuals need to understand that such a force (self-power) is even available to them individually. It takes ‘strong’ citizens, but the decades of dependency have insidiously taken the very souls of so many of our people. Help them to understand that they are Indeed powerful unto themselves…a God-given trait!

    • FreedomFighter

      “The very BASIC reason that ANY ONE (like BO and ASSOCS.) knock themselves out gathering power is to dominate the entire US and eventually the world. This CAN be stopped, but individuals need to understand that such a force (self-power) is even available to them individually. It takes ‘strong’ citizens, but the decades of dependency have insidiously taken the very souls of so many of our people. Help them to understand that they are Indeed powerful unto themselves…a God-given trait!”

      Yes

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Capitalist at Birth

      I hate to disagree with you, but you are forgetting the dumbing down of America began in the 1950′s. It will take too long to educate these lemmings. By then it will be all but over. I think the best thing is to leave this country without the talent and intelligence pool and let them enslave all of the lemmings that are left.

      • alicia

        I agree with you, you should leave this country. It will be safer for the rest of us.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        alicia, are you a lemming? I will be leaving as soon as I am able. You retarded lemmings will be left to your own devices. When all the wealth (intelligence, talent, financial) has left, who will you steal from then? They are leaving at the rate of 3 million plus a year right now. I bet that will accelerate by at least 100% in 2013 and then by 200% in 2014, You need to read “Animal Farm” by George Orwell (the authors pen name). Then, maybe you will understand. When the taxes and Totalitarian control of your life begin in 2013 and 2014 from Obama care, maybe you will understand. No, I doubt it. You are a lemming..

      • Capitalist at Birth

        See what I mean. alicia is a perfect example, don’t you think?

      • STEVE E.

        leaving this country is ok, but I prefer secession because I want to stay here and fight my ground. You see, I am to the Constitution just as Jesus is to Christianity. I have no wiggle room.

      • eddie47d

        Capitalist at Birth is nuttier than a Christmas fruitcake today. Just leaving out any illegals in the numbers there are millions of people trying to get into this country. Many Americans who do leave do so for job opportunities other countries offer or plain and simply to retire.

    • Bill

      Hi Iris,
      It is great that you teach the principles of independence and self reliance. The principles of freedom and free markets are the cornerstones of our capitalist society. It is a crime that the principles of dependence and socialism are being taught in the schools and preached by the liberal posters on this site

      • Capitalist at Birth

        It was all apart of their plan in the destruction of America. Started in the 1950′s. Surely you were aware? I got B grades from socialist/communist teachers because I disagreed with them and refused to be indoctrinated, when I deserved and had earned an A. Most of them were in the Social Science, English, and Art departments. I know for a fact it is totality now.

      • STEVE E.

        I was born in 1954. I just missed the socialist teaching that they do now. In those days you were still taught true history. i.e. The War Between the States was not caused because of slavery, but mainly because the North had unfair tariffs on the South. I am glad the socialist did not have time to get to me. However, even if they tried, my intelligence would eventually come around for me to eventually know what the true facts are. It’s too bad that many people are not intelligent anymore. They just believe what people say without question. A simple example would be the unemployment rate that the evil government tells the people. The unintelligent people believe that number. You have people on this site that believe that number. I’m not kidding.

      • eddie47d

        Capitalist at Birth: “deserved an A”? We all probably think that! LOL! English indoctrination? Were they telling you to spell “money” in Russian and not in English?

      • nc

        Bill, would you like to see what liberal progressive socialists have done for the capitalist system since 1928? Go to “Bull. Bears Donkeys and Elephants” and explain to us the difference between us and that other bunch! Are these figures wrong? if so, what are the non-liberal figures for that same period?? Your true conservative figures?? WE’re waiting for how you would have improved on what the liberals did during their turn at running the government! Can you beat NUNBER ONE IN THE WORLD????

        • Frank Kahn

          over the months I have resisted the demand to checkout the article by the NYT publication. But since you keep mentioning it as some indicator of how the Democrats create a better and stronger capitalist economy, I decided to see why you think this.

          I am now inclined to echo the sentiment that you should lay off this assertion.

          The article is erroneous in its contention that the movement of the stock market is a true indicator of economic health and growth. It is quite often more an indicator of confidence in the future profitability of a company. For a true picture of the economic response to a particular administration you need to look at GDP and standards of living. You also must take into account the delay factor in any given policies effects on said indicators.

          For instance, the true effects of the Obama ACA will not be realized until late in his second term if not later. These effects might be good (lowering the cost of treatment) or bad (larger individual premium costs, and limited availability). Your opinion, and even my opinion, of what the effects will be is not important, we will have to wait many years to see the true effects.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Iris, you could make your comment without “plugging” your book! It makes me disrespect you! Disgusting!!! Go somewhere else to sell your book!

      • DaveH

        That is Bob’s business, Nancy, and only Bob’s business.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Bob can do what he wants! I’m still disgusted and I still disrespect her! Bob doesn’t tell me what to think or what to say!!!

      • Bill

        No one is forcing you to read this column. You can always show your protest by leaving.

        I like what Iris teaches, and I think it should be taught in schools

  • Frank

    With regards to more controlls on gun, I think you would be more realistic if you recognized that it is more than just those nasty liberals who suport more gun controll. This is an issue that cuts across party lines and political ideas. I know many conservative republicans who favor more controll. Maybe more controll will happen, maybe it wil not but it needs to be discussed in someway other than just the idea of those twistered liberals trying to take away our guns.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The people you are talking about are Democrats posing as Republicans, can’t win elections one way then lie your way to office.

      • Flashy

        So tell us Nad….the guy who shot up the firemen. how did he manage to get a Bushmaster? You propose arming not only teachers, but also firemen as well? Turn us into a real police state so your excuses of needing to guard against the State becomes a self fulfilling prophecy?

        Quit whining Nad…tell us what YOU would propose….

      • Karolyn

        Nad – I’ve seen interviews with regular people identifying themselves as conseratives who are willing to see compromise and tighter controls. They have nothing to fear, because they are legal gun owners. Why should the responsible gun owner be worried about stricter control?

      • Karolyn

        Flashy – I’ve known many convicted felons who own guns here in gun country. No amount of control will stop them from getting guns, especially in a state where practically every household has at least one gun and a large percentage has more than one.

      • Flashy

        My point exactly Karolyn. How did the bad guys you speak about get their guns?

        Bought them or stole them right?

        if they bought them, shouldn’t there be a way to trace back to find out who is selling the guns to bad guys? if they stole them….isn’t the idea of allowing guns everywhere is to protect from thieves and having stuff stolen? I thought gun owners kept guns in safe and secure places where they couldn’t be stolen….

        Think about that …

      • Karolyn

        It’s an “under the table” business, Flashy. i supposed that after years of stricter control, it would get better; but there would still be black market business. Kinda like the “war on drugs.”

      • Flashy

        Karolyn….yes, “under the table’ market. Now think.

        Bad guy uses Assault Rilfe # xxx. Wal mart sells to Mr. Smith, Mr Smith records the sale to mr. Jones. bad guy uses the gun. Now..either Jones sold him the gun and didn’t record the sale (fined. possible jail time depending on circumstances. And open to liability from victims), or Jones sold it to someone else (same results…fine, liability and potential jail time).

        Or Jones says “it was stolen’. So all one has to do is look for police report of stolen gun. And if there are several from Jones…ahem ahem.

        As you say, as the system begins to work, those selling to bad guys will think twice, and bad guys wil find it harder to obtain guns…and getting them by the bad guys will cost a lot more thus pricing most of bad guys out of the market.

        Common sense. AND … no one’s Right to have a gun is impeded or limited.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Gee Flashy, they dont want to look too hard. They might find out that the guns originated with our own government! i.e. “fast and furious”!

      • DaveH

        For those who don’t know that there’s more to this issue than the La La Twins want you to know:
        http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm

      • DaveH

        Any thinking person would have to question why Leaders engage in rampant killing overseas in other peoples’ countries, but then claim to care about the lives of US citizens.
        They don’t. They just want to disarm us so they have nothing to worry about as they strip us of what little Freedom and Wealth we have left.
        Those who have the time should read this and learn our country’s history, and learn how Leaders typically are corrupted by Absolute Power. The US had a short flirtation with Freedom (about 80 years) and since then Government has been grabbing more and more Power. Soon we will be back to the natural state of things (unless people remove their heads from that smelly dark place) where Leaders party hardy on the rest of our backs:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Conceived%20in%20Liberty_Vol_2.pdf

      • eddie47d

        Karolyn: The Carolina’s are a hotbed of illegal or “under the table” gun trafficking. Thanks for pointing that out!

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Any one who believes that more gun control is the answer to mental health problems, would not call themselves a conservative. You have become a Totalitarian when you call for more gun control. You will, of course call for the registration of the firearms and the marking of the ammunition with a serial number, which makes you anything but a conservative. Jeesh!!!!

    • Bill

      The current talk of gun control has skyrocketed gun sales. There has been 10 million gun sales in the last couple of weeks and the shelves are bare

    • Bill

      Flashy,
      The guy who shot the fireman had went to prison for killing his grandmother with a hammer. The blood of the dead fireman should be on the hands of whoever let this killer out of prison. Probably your liberal buddies

      • Flashy

        bill…how’d he get the rifle?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Flashless, What difference does it make, how he got the rifle. Two wrongs do not make a right. He should have never been let out of prison, is the first wrong. You will use any excuse to destroy this country any way you can.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “how’d he get the rifle?”.
        The real question should be, considering how often Firemen get shot at, why weren’t the Firemen armed?

      • Robert Smith

        Bill speculates: “The blood of the dead fireman should be on the hands of whoever let this killer out of prison. Probably your liberal buddies”

        Nope, wrong again Bill. Spangler was sentenced to 8 1/3 to 25 years behind bars for the murder (hammer beating… I wonder if it was a registered hammer) of his elderly grandmother.

        Spangler spent 17 years in jail and got out in 1998. So, regardless of what “liberals” think he would have been back on the street by 2005 completing a maximum of 25 years anyhow. The years between his release and now were uneventful, except for the recent death of his mother and of course his rampage.

        There is a strong suspension that the trauma of his mother’s death set him off.

        Personally I’d like to see guys like him stay in jail, or be executed.

        Sadly our jails are full of kids to got caught up in drug culture and are in jail for simply trying to feel good. So, more bad guys are on the street.

        If you want to “blame” someone blame those who are offering a “war” on drugs and filling our prisons.

        BTW, how can someone who is right wing “pro-life” allow an execution?

        Rob

      • eddie47d

        Okay Dave H how often are firemen fired upon? Not very often I bet! I remember back in the 60′s of an occurrence in Chicago after a riot but that was a long time ago.

      • DaveH

        You should practice what you’re preaching, Eddie. How much conjecture do you spew with no backing at all?
        http://www.onenewspage.com/video/20121225/1131992/FIREFIGHTER-SHOOTING-HISTORY-12-24-2012.htm
        Firefighters have been the target of many shooters in the past.

      • DaveH
      • eddie47d

        You should read your own headlines Dave H. “firemen are rarely fired upon”! That was too easy you fool. The other one was in 2009 at least a 3 year difference and still makes it rare.

      • DaveH

        Eddie, you numbnuts, did I say the shootings were frequent?

      • eddie47d

        Actually you did imply that Dave H !

    • STEVE E.

      Let me straighten you out on something. The conservatives who want gun control are not conservatives. They are RINOs. They are no better than liberals or progressives. These are the same people that voted for Romney in the primaries. Not necessary all that voted for Romney in the general election are RINOs, because many of those people chose the less of the two evils. The only way to fix this country is to have a greater amount of Constitutionalist exceed the amount of Liberals + Progressives + RINOs. That can be fixed but I’m not going to say how it can be done. You can figure it out.

      • Robert Smith

        Are you implying violence from the extreme right, again, STEVE?

        Rob

      • STEVE E.

        Robert, are you saying that the ones that adhere to the Constitution are extreme? Looks like to me that they are the ones in the Real World Middle. Funny how I just fished out to what you stand for, and that is not the Constitution,. So you must be extreme.

      • eddie47d

        You need to check out the right wing Christian Identity groups, The Nativists groups, The Militia groups. How about James Von Brunn? How about David Joey Pedersen? How about Timothy George Garrison? Maybe Kevin W Harpham? There are extremists on both sides but nothing like those on the right.

  • Flashy

    Gridlock: When there is a small number of radical extremists, in gerrymandered safe district, whose idea of “compromise” means their way and only their way and that everyone else is wrong. When there is a small vocal group of billionaires willing and able to direct hundreds of millions of dollars, in secret and undisclosed, to politicians and campaigns, and when there is a number of people who cannot think for themselves and who are led by fear, hate and ignorance…this is what one gets. Gridlock.

    That may well be the name of the game in the first part of 2013. But the latter half, as the effects of the Far Right Extremists and American Taliban’s positions begin to take effect…we’ll start seeing the gridlock broken. The extremists will be marginalized as the Moderate Center of the GOP moves to the Democrats, much as the Dixiecrats went to the GOP in the mid 80′s.

    We see it beginning today. The House gridlocked willing to send this country into another recession, willing to hang the Common Man out to dry for the sake of Greed and ideology. 2013 ll likely se the end of gridlock as the Nation’s needs and the voter’s demands isolate the extremists and remind the politician seeking to save his job…Crazy never wins elections.

    Greed. As the article highlights, the extremists have been taken over by Big Monied interests. http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics/freedomworks-tea-party-group-nearly-falls-apart-in-fight-between-old-and-new-guard/2012/12/25/dd095b68-4545-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html

    And as history tells us, it won’t end until there is a scandal. And 2013 will likely see such a scandal as the monies tossed about in the 2012 election are opened up as to source, or some in Congress will be taped selling out… something of the sorts. There will be a scandal. Count on that. And then…hopefully,, regulations will be placed which will begin to disclose or rein in the monied interests.

    Ironic ain’t it? The extremists scream and yell and rant about greed controlling the process…yet they fight against anything which would begin to rein in the rampant buying of laws and regulations by the Big Corporations and billionaires.

    Guns. Time to stop the insanity.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      You are a fool and an idiot.

      • Flashy

        CB..when you recite the Pledge of Allegiance…don’t you feel at least a little distaste for yourself knowing you’re lyin and swearing falsely?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Flashy, At least I mean what I say, when I recite it. By the way, do you know the meaning of Republican form of government, referred to in the Pledge? It is not Democracy (MOB RULE), sorry to inform you. I bet that is a disappointment for you, because you obviously wish it was.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        In fact,Flahless, I think they should change it to “Constitutional Republic” for which it stands. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

      • Flashy

        CB…..

        ” … every man, when he enters into society, gives up a part of his natural liberty, as the price of so valuable a purchase; and, in consideration of receiving the advantages of mutual commerce, obliges himself to conform to those laws, which the community has thought proper to establish. And this species of legal obedience and conformity is infinitely more desirable, than that wild and savage liberty which is sacrificed to obtain it.”

        How’s that? BTW…that was written by the well known communist…William Blackstone. y’know..the gentleman whose writings form the base for our legal system and framework for our government ?

    • Bill

      Flashy,
      Obesity kills thousand times more people than guns. It is time to stop the insanity and target fat people

      • Robert Smith

        Naw, it’s time to register spoons. (not)

        BTW, obesity is a health issue. But oops… You are opposed to universal health care.

        Shame on you.

        Rob

      • eddie47d

        Yes those on the right are “championing” mental health care all of a sudden but it was they who thought it was unnecessary and expensive to deal with in the past. I really don’t believe them this time around.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Flashy says:
      December 26, 2012 at 8:25 am
      Gridlock: When there is a small number of radical extremists, in gerrymandered safe district, whose idea of “compromise” means their way and only their way and that everyone else is wrong. When there is a small vocal group of billionaires willing and able to direct hundreds of millions of dollars, in secret and undisclosed, to politicians and campaigns, and when there is a number of people who cannot think for themselves and who are led by fear, hate and ignorance…this is what one gets. Gridlock.

      Sounds exactly like the democraps!!!

      • eddie47d

        Are you saying the Republicans don’t slide money under the table Nancy. Like the Koch’s. I know Sheldon Adelson openly bragged about that $100 million he handed out but his reasoning was more than wacko.

    • DaveH

      Flashman says — “Time to stop the insanity”.
      You’re leaving us, Flashman?

      For those who aren’t swayed by Liberal Progressive emotional conjecture. Study this chart of violent crimes since 1960:
      http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

      Notice that the numbers of violent crimes rose fairly steadily from 1960 to 1992. Keep in mind that the major cries for Gun Control started in the 1960s. The Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed after the John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King assassinations.
      Then, as you can see from the Concealed Carry Shall Issue map in my next comment, after an increasing number of states stopped interfering with peoples’ rights to carry protection, the rates of violent crime have been continuously dropping.

      • DaveH

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rtc.gif

        Clearly the rate of violent crime has not behaved the way the Liberal Progressives have predicted. But since when does logic or experience mean anything at all to Liberal Progressives?
        With their current rates of theft of our wealth, just imagine how brazen they will be when they have us all disarmed?

      • Flashy

        Davey Boy..when did our population begin to age and the numbers of young men start to drop in numbers?

        You keep trying to use numbers out of context and with a simplistic analysis which skews the meaning.

        Is there a reason you want to avoid the true facts ?

      • Robert Smith

        From DaveH: “But since when does logic or experience mean anything at all to Liberal Progressives?”

        Hey DaveH… I’m opposed to most gun control.

        I was an NRA instructor until I got out a couple of years before Bush Sr. did. I saw the corrosion of the NRA when staff members who had been there for decades were replaced with nut cases.

        Violence isn’t about guns. It’s about mental health and social issues… Both of which you seem to be illogically ignoring DaveH.

        Quit goose stepping with the extreme right and help look for a real solution for violence. Clue: You ain’t gonna solve it with your guns.

        Rob

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Davey Boy..when did our population begin to age and the numbers of young men start to drop in numbers?
        You keep trying to use numbers out of context and with a simplistic analysis which skews the meaning.
        Is there a reason you want to avoid the true facts?”.

        Let it snow, let it snow……

        Flashshill, you wouldn’t know “true facts” if they bit you on the butt. Do you really think the normal readers pay any attention at all to your adolescent manipulative techniques?

    • DaveH

      There goes Flashman with his talk of extremism again.
      Why is it that fanatics always project their faults on other people?
      Flashman is the King of Extremists — Extremely dishonest, Extremely immoral, and Extremely manipulative.
      Why would any good people listen to anything he says?

      • Flashy

        Got a Mises link for those statements Davey ? I’m sure you can find a catchy title to an article you haven’t read…you always do …

      • DaveH

        Do you honestly think you influence anybody with your nonsense, Flashman?
        The only people who might be influenced by you are the hopelessly ignorant who wouldn’t be able to grasp Mises’ teachings anyway.
        But please, keep posting, Flashman. You are one of my best weapons to wake people to the evilness of Liberal Progressives.

      • Flashy

        I know Davey boy. No one but someone who “got an A’ in philosophjy without ever reading any of the Masters can understand Mises….uh huh . That’s your problem, I do understand those papers and recognize their failings and weaknesses and how those “theories’ are inapplicable to the real world …

      • Robert Smith

        Actually DaveH, the TRUTH shall set folks free.

        Check out: http://mises.org/page/1448/About-The-Mises-Institute

        Why not let folks decide for themselves?

        Rob

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Folks do decide for themselves, Rob. Are you not aware that abortion is legal, and a right, protected by the state? Why all the fuss when the issue is raised? Believe or not, there are actually people who do not condone abortion, but are powerless to stop it. Don’t worry, you have a government that is just as evil as you, and will maintain the heinous procedure uninterrupted. So cheer up, and lower your head, for your curse Draweth-Nigh

      • DaveH

        Flashshill says — blah, blah, blah, blah……

        Getting desperate aren’t you, Flashshill?

    • Frank Kahn

      Flashy, your opinion is rife with duplicity and bias.

      You mention gridlock being the effect of a select few radical / extremists, but go on to point your middle finger at GOP congressmen as the sole cause. I would again submit that, leaving out the gerrymandering part of your diatribe, it is Obama and his small gang of obstructionists that are equally guilty of this “my way or nothing” mindset. Compromise, if you look up the definition, means that BOTH SIDES make concessions.

      It is, not only, reasonable for conservatives to demand concessions, it is necessary.

      It is not the FAULT of the GOP for GRIDLOCK, it is just as much a PROBLEM with OBAMA and his statements about not PLAYING THEIR GAME.

      You want compromise? Okay, lets do it 50 / 50, we allow 700 billion in new tax revenue (across the board) and you give us 700 billion in spending cuts (real cuts, not reduction in increases).

      Greed? I may have missed your point here, are you implying that CONSERVATIVES are the only GREEDY people? Do you really believe that one side of the isle is different than the other side when it comes to GREEDY policies for corporations? Do you lump everyone that wants reduced spending by our government as CONSERVATIVE EXTREMISTS? Do you THINK that there are NO DEMOCRATS that want the government to STOP SPENDING SO MUCH? Is there no such thing as a LIBERAL EXTREMIST?

      Guns, stop the insanity?

      Here we agree on the statement but not the premise.

      Your views are insane when it comes to gun control. It’s possible effects on crime, and lack of consequences on rights is obvious. You however FAIL to see either side clearly.

      Restricting access to guns, by lawful citizens, will never reduce violent crime. Selling a firearm to someone without realizing the person is going to use it in a crime is not and never should be a crime.

      Many here, dave67 for one, seem to think that armed citizens are a danger and reason to fear.

      What do you have to fear from a law abiding citizen?

      How will you stop people intent on committing gun violence?

      This is the key question in the debate on gun control legislation.

      There is 100% no way to prevent a criminal from using a gun in the commission of a crime unless you remove 100% of all guns from the world (including those guns owned by the government and its agents).

      Your (I mean all who post here for SENSIBLE gun control laws) ideas about gun control not being an infringement of the right to bear arms is so far from reality that it boils down to an out and out LIE.

      If you want to feel safe amongst lawful citizens “packing heat”, I suggest that you get to know them better.

      • Dave67

        No Frank, I do not think an armed citizenry is a bad thing on its own. The big problem is not guns or lack of gun laws… Its the attitude of many in this country that see guns as toys and the glorification of violence and the fame that comes with mass murder so the mentally ill.

        I do believe getting a gun and being trained out to use and store it properly should be at least as difficult as getting a car and a drivers license…. But the gun nuts disagree.

        • Frank Kahn

          Ah the twisting of deception

          ” Its the attitude of many in this country that see guns as toys and the glorification of violence and the fame that comes with mass murder so the mentally ill.”
          (WHAT DOES SO THE MENTALLY ILL MEAN?) What MANY are you talking about? WHO sees guns as toys? WHO, besides the killers, seek the glorification and fame of mass murder? I like to watch movies with lots of explosions and car crashes, does that make me mentally ill? I watch movies that show someone being shot 50 times and survive, do I believe that is reality? And, more importantly, what do these stupid claims have to do with a justification for infringing on my right to bear arms?

          “I do believe getting a gun and being trained out to use and store it properly should be at least as difficult as getting a car and a drivers license….” Okay, I just cant let your abhorrent grammar go in this sentence. Just so you will understand what you said I will list it for you.
          You believe that getting a gun
          You believe that being trained out? (how) to use it
          You believe that being trained how to store it
          should all be as difficult as getting a car and drivers license.

          I am sorry that you found it difficult to pass your driving tests, it was extremely easy for me.
          I am sorry that you were not skilled enough or motivated enough to earn enough money to easily buy a car.

          However, your apparent difficulty in getting a car and drivers license is not a measure of what it should take to get a gun. Nor, can I fathom how your idea of raising the difficulty in getting a gun is not a form of infringement. We must always fall back to the statement that “we dont give a rats back side what you believe, you are not our boss, you have no say in the matter, You and your opinion (belief) is insignificant in the overall scheme of things in this country.”. DO YOU GET IT DAVE, YOUR OPINION IS NOT IMPORTANT. YOU, PERSONALLY, HAVE NO POWER, NO AUTHORITY TO FORCE US TO CONFORM TO YOUR IDEAS. THE CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU CAN GO TAKE A GIANT LEAP OF A TALL BUILDING IN THIS MATTER.

          Now, on a more sedate issue, yes I agree that everyone that owns a gun should be trained in the safe handling of firearms. That’s it Dave, nothing more than safe handling. You want to store your guns, that is your prerogative, but you have no say in where I keep mine.

          But the gun nuts disagree.”

          I must venture that this is an ad hominem attack since it is attempting to degrade the worth of lawful gun owners opinions by calling them nuts.

          There are mentally ill (nuts) that, unfortunately, have access to firearms, that does not make them gun nuts.

          There are people who are passionate about their right to keep and bear arms, this does not make them nuts.

          There are people that seem to be paranoid about other people owning guns, these might be the gun nuts you are talking about.

          It is probably hard for you to swallow but, I have the RIGHT to OWN GUNS in this country. YOU have the RIGHT to your OPINION about my RIGHTS. YOU dont have the RIGHT to take my RIGHTS away.

      • Dave67

        No Frank,

        You lie about my position. Its quite simple. I have never said disarming America will make this country more safe..

        Let me ask you.

        Why do you need a semi-auto rifle with a 30 clip magazine? Should I be allowed to own a M1A Abrams tank with shells? (I’m a collector you know)
        Why are you afraid of background checks, a waiting period, a national database to track weapons and ammo or mandatory classes on their use and storage?

        The problem with gun violence in this country has little to do with guns… It has to do with people willingness to use them to settle an argument or get “even”.

        That will not change with tighter gun laws. Thats a societal issue we need to deal with.

        But scared rabbits like you need their guns for “protection” from intruders and gov tyranny… Well the statistics tell us that people are more apt to die from using their gun in an argument with someone they know and protection from the Gov? Well we have a volunteer military, civilian control of the military and we vote our leaders in so it is very unlikely that we will have marshal law declared anytime soon.

        But lets take your fear to the next level, lets save the military does take over. Do you think your firepower will be effective against the US Military’s land, air and sea arsenals?

        Common sense is a great thing… Try and get some.

        Guns are not the problem, People with guns without the proper attitude and training are. Adding a few layers for people to get guns is not the same as taking your guns away.

        Sorry about the grammar, I have big fingers on my phone and I work while I come here so I am doing a couple things at once.

        • Frank Kahn

          I am sorry, Dave67, if you dont see your words as meaning what I said, I did not lie, I interpreted your statements in a rational and logical manner. The ridiculous things you propose are disarming the public, for reasons that you are incapable of understanding.

          For you to invoke common sense seems to be somewhat skewed.

          You seem to think that giving government total power in this issue is good common sense.

          You seem to think that minor restrictions to a right are not infringement of that right.

          You make the statement that it is the mental state of the killers that is the problem but you want to regulate guns instead of people.

          One of your statements is so absurd that I have an incredibly hard time figuring out just how you would accomplish it and then provide the necessary controls to make it usable.

          You confuse caution with fear.

          You confuse prudence with being scared.

          So, considering the problems with logic in these items, where does common sense come into play with you?

          “Why do you need a semi-auto rifle with a 30 clip magazine?”

          CONFUSING WANT WITH NEED. I WANT A 30 CLIP(SIC) MAGAZINE BECAUSE IT IS MORE CONVENIENT WHEN HUNTING MULTIPLE ANIMAL TARGETS. RESTRICTING MY ABILITY TO DO THIS IS A FORM OF DISARMING ME BY REDUCING MY ABILITY TO RESPOND TO A SITUATION.

          “Should I be allowed to own a M1A Abrams tank with shells? (I’m a collector you know)”

          AD ABSURDITY ATTACK, HAVING A FULLY FUNCTIONAL AND ARMED TANK IS NOT THE SUBJECT HERE. BUT, IF YOU WANT IT AND CAN AFFORD IT, IT IS ALLOWED BY THE CONSTITUTION IN THIS COUNTRY. I DONT FEAR THE TANK, I WOULD ONLY BE CONCERNED IF YOU USED IT TO COMMIT A CRIME.

          “Why are you afraid of background checks, a waiting period, a national database to track weapons and ammo or mandatory classes on their use and storage?”

          HERE YOU USE THE ASSUMPTION OF FEAR BEING A MOTIVATION WHEN THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUSTAIN THE CLAIM. THIS IS AN IMPLIED INSULT TO MY MENTAL STATE WHICH SEEMS TO MAKE YOU THINK REDUCES MY OBJECTIVITY. THERE ARE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT HAVE SEPARATE ISSUES SO I WILL NUMBER THEM.

          1. BACKGROUND CHECKS IS AN AMBIGUOUS TERM. WHAT PART OF A PERSONS BACKGROUND WILL YOU CHECK, AND WHAT SOURCES WILL BE CONSIDERED ACCURATE? WHAT DOES THE GOVERNMENT CONSIDER TO BE DISQUALIFYING FACTORS IN PURCHASING A GUN? AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHY WOULD YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO SET THESE STANDARDS? HOW WILL THIS PREVENT VIOLENT CRIMES INVOLVING GUNS?

          2. WAITING PERIOD IS ALSO AMBIGUOUS, WHAT CONSTITUTES A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO WAIT FOR YOUR GUNS? IF, AS YOU MENTION, THERE IS A NATIONAL DATABASE (COMPUTERIZED) THEN WHY WOULD IT TAKE MORE THAN A COUPLE DAYS TO COMPLETE A CHECK? THIS GOES BACK TO QUESTIONING WHAT IS CONSIDERED REASONABLE IN CHECKING FOR A PERSONS RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.

          3. A NATIONAL DATABASE TO TRACK ALL WEAPONS AND AMMO. TWO VERY DIFFERENT ITEMS SO I SUB-CATEGORIZE THEM.
          A. GUNS: THIS IS NOTHING LESS THAN GUN REGISTRATION. FOR WHAT PURPOSE IS THIS? I OWN SEVERAL ANTIQUE GUNS, NO AMMUNITION, WHAT DOES THE GOVERNMENT NEED INFORMATION ABOUT THEM FOR? WHO WILL CONDUCT THIS MASSIVE SEARCH AND REGISTRATION OF MILLIONS OF GUNS? WHO WILL PAY FOR THE SEARCH AND SUBSEQUENT DATA ENTRY INTO A DATABASE? WHAT MAKES THIS REQUIREMENT REASONABLE?
          B. AMMO: REALLY, YOU ARE SERIOUS WITH THIS ONE? HOW WILL YOU TRACK AMMO, BY AMOUNT PURCHASED? WILL YOU HAVE SOME GOVERNMENT PERSON FOLLOW ME AND COUNT EVERY ROUND I FIRE AT THE RANGE OR WHEN HUNTING RABBITS? HOW ABOUT RELOADING AMMUNITION, WILL THE GOVERNMENT WATCH ME AND COUNT EVERY ROUND I RELOAD? MAYBE YOU WANT THEM TO PUT INDIVIDUAL SERIAL NUMBERS ON EVERY ROUND. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO TRACK AMMO. BUT WAIT THE SERIAL NUMBER NEEDS TO BE ON THE BULLET NOT THE CASE SO YOU CAN CHECK WHO BOUGHT THE ROUND USED IN THE CRIME. MY HUNTING COMPANION RAN OUT OF AMMO WHILE WE WERE HUNTING SO I LOAN HIM A BOX OF MINE. WAIT I NEED TO RUN BACK TO TOWN AND REGISTER THE AMMO TRANSFER BY NUMBER. SUBMIT YOUR IDEA OF WHAT IS REASONABLE AND GOOD COMMON SENSE HERE.

          4. THIS ONE IS, AGAIN A TWO PART ITEM. GETTING CLASSES ON THE USE AND STORAGE OF GUNS.
          A. USE OF GUNS: I BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE TAUGHT ABOUT PROPER HANDLING AND USE OF FIREARMS AT AN EARLY AGE. I BELIEVE THAT GUN SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT IN EDUCATING OUR YOUNG, SOON TO BE GUN OWNERS. THIS IS COMMON SENSE AND I DONT SEE HOW YOU TRY TO ACCUSE ME OF FEARING IT.
          B. STORAGE OF GUNS: HERE, I GET CONFUSED ON WHICH ANTI-GUN ADVOCATE MADE WHAT INSANE SUGGESTIONS ON STORAGE. BUT, STORAGE IS AMBIGUOUS AND NEEDS DEFINITION, SO I WILL USE AN EXAMPLE (MAYBE YOURS, MAYBE NOT), FROM PREVIOUS POSTS. GUNS SHOULD BE LOCKED IN A SAFE, UNLOADED AND SEPARATED FROM THE AMMO. ASSAULT WEAPONS (SEMI-AUTOMATIC PISTOLS AND RIFLES) SHOULD BE DISASSEMBLED BEFORE STORAGE. NOW, COMMON SENSE, AND A LACK OF PARANOID FEAR COME INTO PLAY WHEN DISCREDITING THIS INSANE NOTION. NOW, FIRST, LETS TAKE THE IDEA OF USING GUNS AS A FORM OF HOME PROTECTION. HOW EFFECTIVE, IS THIS METHOD OF STORAGE, IN PROVIDING PROTECTION? DO I TELL THE THIEF TO WAIT WHILE I GET MY GUNS OUT OF THE SAFE, ASSEMBLE THEM AND LOAD THEM? WHO IS THIS STORAGE DESIGNED TO PROTECT? EVERYONE IN MY HOUSEHOLD UNDERSTANDS GUN SAFETY, THEY KNOW THE TRUE DEVASTATION THAT A BULLET CAN CAUSE, WHY WOULD YOU FEAR THEIR ACCESS TO LOADED WEAPONS? IN MY HOME, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DICTATE HOW I STORE MY GUNS.
          AND, IF MANDATORY, WHO WILL DECIDE THE CURRICULUM OF THE CLASS AND WHO WILL GIVE IT?

          “The problem with gun violence in this country has little to do with guns… It has to do with people willingness to use them to settle an argument or get “even”.

          That will not change with tighter gun laws. Thats a societal issue we need to deal with.”

          AH, A GLIMMER OF COMMON SENSE, FINALLY YOU SAID THE RIGHT THING. THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH IT IS THAT YOU FALL OUT OF THE COMMON SENSE BRACKET WHEN YOU CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE RESTRICTIONS ON GUNS AS A SOLUTION TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS NOT ABOUT GUNS.

          “But scared rabbits like you need their guns for “protection” from intruders and gov tyranny…”

          AD HOMINEM ATTACK, I AM NEITHER SCARED NOR AM I A RABBIT, SO CLAIMING THIS TO LESSEN MY CREDIBILITY IS WRONG. THE DEMONSTRABLE EFFECTIVENESS OF GUNS, AS PROTECTION FROM CRIMINALS, IS A VALID FACT. BEING PREPARED AND WILLING TO PROTECT AGAINST GOVERNMENT TYRANNY IS THE WHOLE CONCEPT BEHIND THE 2ND AMENDMENT. WHAT PART OF THIS IS SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND, AND WHY DO YOU THINK IT GOES AGAINST COMMON SENSE?

          “Well the statistics tell us that people are more apt to die from using their gun in an argument with someone they know and protection from the Gov?”

          THIS ONE HAS TERRIBLE GRAMMAR, SO I AM ASSUMING YOU MEAN THAT MORE ARE KILLED BY SOMEONE THEY KNOW THAN BY A GOVERNMENT. I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING THE DATA SET USED IN THESE STATISTICS. I MIGHT AGREE THAT MORE PEOPLE, IN THIS COUNTRY, HAVE BEEN KILLED BY SOMEONE THEY KNOW AS OPPOSED TO GOVERNMENT TYRANNY. THIS, HOWEVER, IS NOT VALID IN DETERMINING THE THREAT. TO DETERMINE THE THREAT TO MASSIVE LOSS OF LIFE FROM TYRANNY OF A GOVERNMENT YOU SIMPLY NEED TO CHECK HUMAN HISTORY. WHEN DOING THIS, YOU WILL FIND THAT THE STATISTICS SHOW JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU STATE. SAYING, I AM SAFE FROM IT BECAUSE IT HAS NOT HAPPENED HERE YET IS NOT A FORM OF COMMON SENSE, IT IS DENIAL.

          ” Well we have a volunteer military, civilian control of the military and we vote our leaders in so it is very unlikely that we will have marshal law declared anytime soon.”

          VERY MANY BAD ASSUMPTIONS IN THIS ONE. YES WE HAVE AN ALL VOLUNTEER MILITARY, SO WHAT? CHECK YOUR INFORMATION SOURCES, WHAT CIVILIAN CONTROL OF THE MILITARY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE PRESIDENT IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE MILITARY, THAT MAKES HIM PART OF THE MILITARY NOT A CIVILIAN. VOTING FOR OUR LEADERS IS NOT RELEVANT, ONCE IN POWER THEY HAVE CONTROL. NONE OF WHAT YOU STATE HAS ANY RELEVANCE TO THE DECLARATION OF MARTIAL LAW. IF THE PRESIDENT DEEMS IT PRUDENT (FOR HIS REASONS) HE CAN DECLARE MARTIAL LAW.

          “But lets take your fear to the next level, lets save the military does take over. Do you think your firepower will be effective against the US Military’s land, air and sea arsenals?”

          ONCE AGAIN YOU, WRONGLY, ATTRIBUTE OUR STANCE AS FEAR. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MILITARY TAKING OVER, THAT IS CALLED A COUP NOT MARTIAL LAW. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT USING GOVERNMENT FORCES TO IMPOSE EXTREME RESTRICTIONS ON DAILY ACTIVITIES. AS TO THE USE OF THE US MILITARY, YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE SUBJECT OF THE TERM NATIONAL GUARD. THIS IS STATE CONTROLLED NOT FEDERAL. DO I BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF US SERVICEMEN WOULD OBEY AN ORDER TO USE EXCESSIVE FORCE AGAINST THE US POPULATION? NO. DO I THINK THAT THE EXCEEDINGLY WELL ARMED CIVILIANS OF THIS NATION CAN EFFECTIVELY FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT? YES.

          Common sense is a great thing… Try and get some.

          I TURN THIS ONE BACK ON YOU, TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE WORD COMMON MEANS AND ALSO DETERMINE WHAT IS SENSIBLE.

          “Guns are not the problem, People with guns without the proper attitude and training are. Adding a few layers for people to get guns is not the same as taking your guns away”

          ONCE AGAIN, YOU FALL INTO THE COMMON SENSE, NOT COMMON SENSE CATEGORY. PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM SO COMMON SENSE SAYS THAT ADDING MORE RESTRICTIONS ON GUNS WILL NOT SOLVE IT. YOU MIX TWO VERY DIFFERENT ITEMS IN THIS, ATTITUDE AND TRAINING ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS. THEY DO NOT GO TOGETHER. TRAINING IS ALWAYS GOOD, BUT IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS PLACE TO TRAIN, IT IS THE CIVILIANS PLACE. PROPER ATTITUDE IS AMBIGUOUS AND CAN NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE DEFINED BY THE GOVERNMENT. YES, ADDING A FEW LAYERS (AVOIDING FACTS AND ATTEMPTING TO MINIMIZE THE STATEMENT), IS NOT THE SAME AS TAKING GUNS AWAY. IT IS HOWEVER INFRINGEMENT OF THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. GUN REGISTRATION IS NOT THE SAME AS TAKING THEM AWAY, BUT HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT IT GREATLY INCREASES THE PROBABILITY THAT IT WILL HAPPEN. SO COMMON SENSE TELLS US TO AVOID THE POSSIBILITY WHENEVER IT IS POSSIBLE.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Frank Kahn,

            This is an excellent response. Kudos to you!

            Best wishes,
            Bob

      • ranger09

        Any of you folks remember when Hundreds of Pistols,Rifles shotguns, And some Fullauto Machine guns disappeared from a FBI lock up room, Wonder if they ever found out how or who made them disappear, These were when gun prices were soring in price. Also i wonder if any of these showed up in crimes.

  • alicia

    It’s real hard to wrap your hands around the hypocrisy of those who cry giant crocodile tears over the loss of these 20 precious children (and they should), but care little about millions of children who will never see the light of day due to abortion.
    And here we go again; Progressives are manipulating the Sandy Hook massacre as a way to strike down the Second Amendment. Truth is, gun control is like putting a bandage on a gaping wound.

    Really, you are concerned for the millions of children that are aborted? You must be God. NOBODY is manipulating the massacre, it has nothing to do with abortion. What bothers me most is that you think women are not able to make these decisions based on their life not yours.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      What about the life of the unborn child that is murdered in the womb? Defenseless unborn child, I might add.

      • alicia

        You are so ignorant about life. You are not a women, you do not know the reasons women have abortions. I for one think your mother made the wrong decision.

      • alicia

        DO you think that those children in Sandy Hook were defenseless against those assault guns?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Alicia: DO you think that those children in Sandy Hook were defenseless against those assault guns?

        As defenceless as the un-born at the hands of their mother’s and the murderous abortionists with their instruments of death, Alicia.

        Alicia: You are not a women, you do not know the reasons women have abortions.

        The reasons women have abortions are already too well known, Alicia.

        Alicia: I for one think your mother made the wrong decision.

        What makes you, think, Alicia? If anything, you are the very definition of a chauvinist!

      • Dave67

        Jay,

        If you are so concerned about the unborn… Push all the males in this country to get vasectomies… That will nip all the abortions in the butt… It takes two to tango.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Who’s rights are you concerned about alicia? Not the defenseless unborn. You have proven that. Not mine, because you want to make me defenseless against a tyrannical government. Do you know what an assault weapon is? Tell me your definition, please. I think I should have any weapon equal to that of any one who would force their will on me and violate my constitutional rights. If that includes “assault” weapons, so be it. If that is what I need to defend myself against people like you and your agents, so be it. If that includes fully automatic weapons, tanks and RPG’s, so be it. If you don’t like it, I suggest you move, because there are many of those weapons owned by my fellow Patriots. Have you read the Constitution? Have you read any of the writings of our founding fathers? I doubt if you have read much at all if any.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        alicia, I am a woman and you don’t speak for me!!! A woman’s choice takes place BEFORE she has sex with anyone!!!! abortion is murder!!! Killing babies born or unborn, is still killing!!! The progressives in this country have cheapened life and convinced you that inconvenient life has no value! They have used you and made you believe in evil! Legalizing the murder of innocent babies has contributed to the lack of respect for life in this country! They have made you believe that a human life has no more value than an old worn out coat!

      • Robert Smith

        Here goes Nancy blathering along: “Killing babies born or unborn, is still killing!!!”

        Nope. It ain’t a “baby” if it doesn’t have two brain cells to rub together anymore than a set of plans make a house or a single bolt makes a car.

        There is a PROCESS inside a woman that will eventually lead to a birth where a breath can be taken. It’s that BREATH that makes it a “baby.”

        For example: Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

        Oh, and let’s see what the bible says about the end of a pregnancy!

        Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.

        Rob

      • Karolyn

        Nancy – Human “life” is not as important as human “soul.” And when a soul is prevented from coming forth in a new body, it can just move to another body. The soul, or spirit, never dies. There is really no such thing as death for the real us.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Rob: There is a PROCESS inside a woman that will eventually lead to a birth where a breath can be taken. It’s that BREATH that makes it a “baby.”

        Most doctors would disagree with you, Robert.

        A baby in the womb does not begin its existence with fully functioning lungs. Instead, the infant relies on its mother to provide the oxygen required for living. A baby doesn’t really breathe in the womb. The lungs are full of amniotic fluid. Amniotic fluid is an integral part of proper development while baby is in the womb, as it provides the essential nutrients for the lungs and other organs to develop. The mother supplies oxygen to the baby by way of blood.

        So you see, Rob, the baby/fetus, is considered a living being looooooong before the birth. Thus, ending the life of a baby while still in the womb is considered, murder!!!

      • Dave67

        WTS/JAY says:
        December 26, 2012 at 12:58 pm
        67:Did that hurt your head to come up with something so clever? I thought you love the un-born? Have all the young males get vasectomies until they are ready to start a family.

        A better solution is to teach young males and females sound moral-principles and self-Responsibility, don’t you think?

        I agree, next

        Oh wait, i forgot; you progs aren’t into that sort of crazy-stuff…

        Really, did you take a poll of liberals to come up with your lying bunch of BS

        Just let them be, let them exercise their choice to live and behave like moral-reptobates, and when it comes to dealing with the consequences, the holier-then-thou democratic-socialist-progs can then come to their rescue, and provide them with a myriad of excuses why they need not deal with the consequences, as well as options by which they can dispose of the baggage!

        So you know this is what I believe? You just proved what a typical black and while ignorant conservative you are by the above statement.

        Hypocrite doesn’t begin to describe you, 67. You are so far gone and removed from reality, you’re unassailable!

        I know a few words to describe you Jay…. Ignorant, easily led…..

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        67: So you know this is what I believe? You just proved what a typical black and while ignorant conservative you are by the above statement.

        Oh, what’s the matter, 67; you don’t like your character and motives questioned? Your comments have consisted of personal attacks and character assassinations against the author of article, and site owner, from the get go. And now you cry when someone holds you accountable and places a mirror to your face? Not only are you despicable, as well, you’re a big baby!

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Dave67, I think you and Flashless would be perfect candidates to volunteer for a vasectomy, don’t you? I will even chip in $ 10 to help finance the improvement of our nations gene pool. Any seconds out there?

      • Dave67

        Did that hurt your head to come up with something so clever? I thought you love the un-born? Have all the young males get vasectomies until they are ready to start a family. That end abortion right? What is your problem there? Oh… thats right…. men take no responsibility when a women gets pregnant as a society… men make adoption ridiculously expensive… Men and their religious dogma place stigmas on women (only) when they have sex out of wedlock and retard sex education being taught in schools as a matter of fact live event.

        Men have all the benefits, so little of the responsibility.

        If you were really interested in ending abortion, you would look at the social and economic reasons why women get them and deal with them… But then that would take real work wouldn’t it?

      • STEVE E.

        Capitaliist, it’s too bad their parents did not get a vasectomie before they were born.

      • DaveH

        I’d vote for Flashman and Dave67′s mothers to have retroactive Abortions.

      • Flashy

        CB, I’m older than you appear to think. I’ve done a few years meanderin’ around and such. Fact is, with all that meandrin’, for all i know i have youngsters like you …

        Think about that ….

      • Dave67

        DaveH is attack mode once again… something he says he doesn’t do until attacked himself…. Hmmmmmmmmm…

        DaveH, I for one am glad you are here… I can tell you are not an American from the mises.org theory you favor and your antisocial agenda but glad you are here nevertheless.

        Happy New Year to you!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        67: DaveH is attack mode once again… something he says he doesn’t do until attacked himself…. Hmmmmmmmmm…

        Actually, it was you who began the attack by spewing your idiotic-nosense and promoting fairy-tales form obama-land. As far as i can tell, no one here went overboard at their Christmas parties last-night,(you were hoping?) thus, your non-sensical delusions are misplaced and will torn to shreds! You’re a filty-mole, 67, you disgrace and pollute this site with your presence!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        67:Did that hurt your head to come up with something so clever? I thought you love the un-born? Have all the young males get vasectomies until they are ready to start a family.

        A better solution is to teach young males and females sound moral-principles and self-Responsibility, don’t you think? Oh wait, i forgot; you progs aren’t into that sort of crazy-stuff…Just let them be, let them exercise their choice to live and behave like moral-reptobates, and when it comes to dealing with the consequences, the holier-then-thou democratic-socialist-progs can then come to their rescue, and provide them with a myriad of excuses why they need not deal with the consequences, as well as options by which they can dispose of the baggage! Hypocrite doesn’t begin to describe you, 67. You are so far gone and removed from reality, you’re unassailable!

      • DaveH

        My “antisocial agenda”, Dave67?
        Do you really think the readers can’t tell who does the most personal attacking on this board in lieu of facts?
        And who promotes the Force of Big Government on the rest of the citizens, Dave67? Certainly not me.
        If you call yourself “social”, Dave67, I’d sure hate to see what you think is anti-social.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        Let me give you the definition of antisocial that I am using on you. Someone who feels they owe nothing to society (taxes), no loyalty to America and someone who is just out for themselves and that the laws governing society are nothing but an annoyance and are a sign that the government is out to get them.

        That is you to a tee…

        But I sure am glad you are here to show the world that you are about theory and nothing that actually exists in the real world.

        Have a great day!

    • DaveH

      Alicia says — “it has nothing to do with abortion”.
      It has everything to do with abortion, Alicia. How do you expect people to take you seriously on your feigned concern for the Sandy Hook children, when you care little about those being killed before they’ve even had a chance to experience a little life?
      That makes me suspect that the Sandy Hook children are just a tool for you to get your Gun Control wishes.
      Of course, a much bigger problem is that you are advocating the exact opposite of the real solution — that of giving the adults a chance to save the children and themselves against the evil people who were responsible for those killings.
      In my mind, by disarming those people, you have those children’s blood on your hands. And try as you might, it won’t wash off, Alicia.
      For thinking people:
      http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/121712-637367-sandy-hook-tragedy-prevented-at-clackamas.htm

      • ranger09

        Lets see 1 million births, most all unwanted Well in most cases are you going to adop one, Wonder huw many are born by 12-16 yr old girls that cant even take care of themselves, How many would be born druggies, how many would starve for like of proper food. Would you spend your time and money taking care of 1 million babies a year, How about all the childern of the world born ea day, And starve to death the next week. People get real, The choice is the Mothers, But she should be given advice by sound judgement People, and not one sided people.Then let her make the call. I guess most of you people that want Life for unborn, Then you have not seen this world as it is, When you see small kids with no clothes, no food, bones sticking out, looks like some of the people in the German camps. mothers and fathers if they are lucky to have one and not able to care for them, Sitting outside shacks, and dieing there in pain. Sorry people the world is just not prepared for 10 million new births ea year.

  • Nan

    I’ve read in a few places that the Sandy Hook shooting was planned and manned by the govt. to help the anti-gun agenda, similar to the Fast and Furious project. Could this possibly be true?

    • Flashy

      About as true as space aliens are controlling our minds with a super secret mind control beam …

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Can you prove that beyond a shadow of doubt? Flashless?

      • Flashy

        CB….you want me to prove that the government did not locate Lanza, foster Lanza’s mental situation, force Lanza’s mother to have assault rifle and pistols in a house with a known violent mental case, have those guns accessible to the mental case, have Lanza then kill his mother, grab her assault rifle and pistol, head to the school and kill 26 people ?

      • DaveH

        Speaking of space, Flashshill, the Enterprise could achieve Warp Speed in the vast space between your ears.

      • DaveH

        It’s amazing, isn’t it, that he could shoot his mother multiple times, put on a bullet-proof vest and military-style gear, and pack all those guns in the car, and then drive over to the school unimpeded. And then after the shootings, he kills himself? Why the bullet-proof vest? Why not go out in a blaze of crazy glory charging the police?
        It doesn’t make much sense to me. Maybe it would make sense to somebody who is equally deranged? So how about it, Flashshill? Can you explain it to us?

      • DaveH
    • Bill

      Nan,
      It is very similar to the socialists trying to kill capitalism under the guise of Global Warming. They need an emotional disaster to try and sell their point

      • Robert Smith

        Sadly global warming is REAL.

        And human beings are causing enough that we need to pay attention.

        Moving to solar, wind, tidal, and other alternative energy sources will certainly help.

        Too bad the extreme right is willing to accept an all powerful brutal god, but ignores facts that are in front of their faces.

        Rob

      • DaveH

        Yes, the globe warms and it cools. Thanks to the good old sun.
        The question is — “How much is that warming or cooling affected by man?”.
        And if Global Warming was somehow subject to increase by the Greenhouse Gases, the major one by far being water-vapor, and water-vapor being increased by a warming atmosphere, what keeps the Earth from going into a spiraling-upward ever-hotter temperature increase until it is unlivable? Obviously there are mitigating factors involved, the biggest being the reflection of the Sun’s heating rays into space by the same clouds that are accused of trapping the heat.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ

        Man-made Global Warming is clearly a hoax perpetrated on the people to allow the Leaders to do what Leaders have done throughout history — Take over peoples’ Freedom and Pocketbooks. They are aggressively attacking our Freedom on many fronts — Gun Control, Bigger Government, more Central Government (as in the UN), perpetual wars, and many other fronts. To thinking people, it is clear that we are being subjugated as quickly as the Leaders dare.

      • DaveH

        And as the Earth warms, more Carbon Dioxide is released from the oceans. The increase in Carbon Dioxide follows, not leads, the warming.
        For those who would like to understand better the Politics that have gone into the Homogenic Global Warming Hysteria:
        http://www.amazon.com/Red-Hot-Lies-Alarmists-Misinformed/dp/1596985380/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2

      • DaveH
    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Nan, I’ve read that too. I’ve no real knowledge but I will say this: our government plotted and planned “fast and furious” as a tool to take away our guns. Why wouldn’t we believe that it’s possible that they were involved in Sandy Hook? Our government plotted and planned “911″ as a way to take away our rights and steal our money. Why wouldn’t we believe that they were involved in Sandy Hook? When people have engaged in horrific crimes in the past, we have no reason to think that they couldn’t have participated in them again! Very evil people have taken control of our government. I read the articles and reserve judgement until I see something that convinces me beyond a reasonable doubt! But I would put NOTHING past those in power!!!

      • S.C.Murf

        Nancy they have gunned down our leaders in front of our eye’s, they would not hesitate to do something this satanic.

        up the hill
        airborne

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Nan,

      You write: “I’ve read in a few places that the Sandy Hook shooting was planned and manned by the govt. to help the anti-gun agenda, similar to the Fast and Furious project. Could this possibly be true?” Study what FDR knew about Pearl Harbor prior to Dec. 7, then ask yourself if this could possibly be true. Study Operation Northwoods, then ask yourself if this could possibly be true. Study Mk Ultra and ask yourself if this possibliy could be true. Study the assault on the Branch Davidians in Waco, Tx, and ask yourself if this could possibly be true. Study the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma, and ask yourself if this could possibly be true. Study WTC 7, then ask yourself if this could possibly be true. A government (with agencies or non-government agencies operating for government) that would carry out these atrocities would not hesitate to gun down a few kindergartners.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • eddie47d

        Its one thing to try and reach a conclusion you want but to flatly label all events as government conspiracies is not being realistic. There is much to say there were all poor reactions to an event such as Waco but not necessarily plotted by the government. David Koresh wasn’t much different than Jim Jones and wanted to control his “flock”. (sexual exploitation). Did the government overreact? Yes! Did they plot it ? No!

      • Bill

        Good comments, Bob
        Without pointing fingers, it sure makes you think. If I wanted to get the public to accept gun control, what better scenario than kill a bunch of small children. It sure got the progressives panties in a twist

      • ranger09

        BOB, I think you might have left a few out.
        Bob You are a smart person maybe you could help me out. What did JFK and his brother Robert and martin L King have in common.

  • hanbo

    Hey U.S. CAVALRY The disarming of the veterans is called the n.i.c.s improvement,a.k.a the “veterans disarmament act”.when soldiers and Marines exit active duty they are asked a series of questions,if they answer yes even once thet are put on the no-gun owner list,for life.This same crap is also pulled at the v.a.clinics.this has been the experience of my 2sons and myself.Its more than an article,its govt policy-unconstitutional law.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      When was this started. It is my understanding it is fairly recent. Some time in the 90″s. I will research it when I have time.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Actually the black listing of Vets started in the 1970′s in the attempt to limit their ability to obtain arms.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Capitalist…

        I’ve got my permit to carry and several firearms, including a DCM M-1.

        I don’t think anyone has stood in my way to get guns or carry them, and I’m a vet.

        BTW, why are you opposed to a background check on folks buying guns?

        Rob

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Robert Smith—Their smarter than that. Your name and anyone else that exposes their position is simply put on a list to be eliminated at their pleasure. They want to know who their enemy is. Their not going to come against you personally. They have brainwashed soldiers to do that for them.

      • DaveH

        Robert asks — “why are you opposed to a background check on folks buying guns?”.
        Read this:
        http://gunowners.org/fs2011b.htm

      • DaveH
      • eddie47d

        Dave H ! GOA has always taking an extreme view with anything involving guns. They are concerned about gun owners rights but no one elses. Non gun owners are at their mercy. Larry Pratt one of founders of GOA started the organization after training and watching US Guatemalan death squads take out civilians for their government. He came back to America and wanted his old group (GOA) to be willing to use those same tactics to exterminate Americans who oppose his (their) views. Dudley Brown another GOA leader doesn’t go to that extreme but isn’t much different. I won’t approve of their lying and Nazi tactics to control America.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      hanbo: when soldiers and Marines exit active duty they are asked a series of questions,if they answer yes even once thet are put on the no-gun owner list,for life.

      To all soldiers and Marines; “Answer all questions with a, NO”!!!

      • John D. Gubernat

        Amen.
        —JohnDVero

  • http://gravatar.com/marcjeric32 marcjeric32

    President Obama sends his kids to a school where armed guards are used as a matter of fact. The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers. This is standard operating procedure for the school. And this is the reason people like NBC’s David Gregory, a gun control devotee, send their kids to Sidwell; they know their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a school where armed guards weren’t used – you know, “gun-free zones”.

    • Don

      a lot of thesecitizen gun robbing polititions are protected. maybe their protection should be as good as we’d have without weapons. the difference between them and us is they are like priviledged royalty. ordinary ditizens need no protection. i keep a loaded gun in my bedroom at all times. in this day and age of hardship we all have to be ready for anything.

    • Karolyn

      Well, gee! Isn’t that news! People who can afford it send their kids to private school! Who’d a thunk it?

      • DaveH

        Where’s the love, Karolyn?

      • Karolyn

        Making a point, Dave with a little sarcasm, ,something you use ALL the time. Why do you have a problem with tha?. I will continue to ask why you have such a vendetta against me? And also why you never recognizde when I support what you have to say?

    • JohnDVero

      May God save us from more “gun-free zones.”
      JohnDVero

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        There were two “gun free zones” of note this last century. One was called fascist Naziism and the other was called socialist communism. Those children and adults murdered by a disciple of Satan are being used as collateral to his / their cause, that being either a fascist or communist American replacing the “In God we trust” America. Satan and his legions spreading evil are behind all this and you never his name mentioned. Why? As Satan works in the dark, his disciples work in the dark, largely out of DC.

    • Robert Smith

      From marc: “President Obama sends his kids to a school where armed guards are used as a matter of fact.”

      Let’s ask Ronald Reagan how that worked out for him.

      Let’s ask J. Ford how that worked out for him. Oops it wasn’t the guards, but the gun that failed.

      And look at how all those armed guards protected Bush from a rogue pretzel.

      And WOW! That attack rabbit on Jimmy Carter didn’t stand a chance.

      Clue: If a nut is out there it means there is always a chance something bad is gonna happen.

      Now, remind me… What good did a rabbit’s foot do for the rabbit who had four of them? Oh, and I’ve got a story to tell you about an early worm.

      Rob

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Ever hear the expression: The best defense is a strong offense. NEVER offer those people an excuse. You don’t have to. They don’t hear you. Their dedicated to their cause and can only hear what they want to hear.

      • eddie47d

        C.A.: The day after the Newtown shooting a 60 year old man in Cedar Lake Indiana wanted to go into a local school and kill as many kids as possible. He got caught and when they went back to his home they found 47 other weapons. How much is enough for you gun crazies? You don’t want any checks and balances or anything that resembles normal. Then I say tax the heck out of all guns and ammunition for the cost of the carnage. It doesn’t matter anymore Legal or Illegal gun owners,young or old. Sane gun dealers or under the table rouges for it has gotten out of hand. If you are not solving the problem then you are the problem.

      • DaveH

        How many non sequiturs can you issue in one comment, Robert?

      • DaveH

        Eddie says — “Then I say tax the heck out of all guns and ammunition for the cost of the carnage”.
        How about taxing the Liberal Progressives to pay for all the people who have lost their lives because they couldn’t easily defend themselves against illegal killers?
        Your ears are bookends to a vacuum, Eddie.

      • Karolyn

        Dave – If those people were honest, law-abiding citizens, they could have had guns if they wanted them. Not everybody wants to own a gun.

    • eddie47d

      That’s not the whole truth Marcjeric32 as was stated earlier!

    • ranger09

      You forgot the Secret Service.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    The statements about the three “G” is interesting. Here’s my take. If we didn’t have some sort of gridlock, we would have evolved into communist empire a long time ago. Ever read about the man that was rejected at the gates of hell, FDR? That gridlock has turned into a true democracy and the producers lost the vote to predators. Will the producers get their act together? Karl Marx said: “We must win the battle to democracy”.

    Greed. You can’t consume more than you produce. Even the producers are acting like predators with everybody seems anxious to get all they can. I’ve got to through his name out there. RON PAUL, The destroyer of greed through sacrifice. Very few are willing to sacrifice and that’s what it will take, to kill greed.

    Guns. The founders had just fought a war with their own government. The war started at Bunker Hill where the slimey Red Coats came to get the citizens guns. Their battle cry was “No King but Jesus”. With that started to lay low Red Coats. When it came to write the Bill of Rights, they recognized the worst enemy that a people can get is their own government so with that they penned the 2nd Amendment. Not my words. Thomas Jefferson’s.

    I dare say, history is repeating itself. The murder of those children and adults is being used as collateral for a communist agenda and that communist style agenda does NOT include the people being able to defend themselves. Satan and evil are getting a free ride with the continuance of Satanic video games, Satanic TV and movies, Satanic dress codes being acceptable. Excuse me! Isn’t communism Satanic? Read John 3:16. The way we are going you’ll definitely need it, and sooner than you think.

    • eddie47d

      The murder of those children are being used by pro gun groups to put even more guns on the street. They weaken the laws in gun ownership (everybody and anybody can own one) and then expect different results with that lack of accountability.

      • DaveH

        I say license the Liberal Progressives and make them pay based on their level of ignorance. Eddie wouldn’t be able to afford the high taxes.

      • DaveH

        “Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense”.

        http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

      • eddie47d

        I still don’t believe GOA ..but every American has a right to defend themselves. I have said that many times Dave H or was your head buried in the sand on those days too? There is more to the 2nd Amendment than allowing multiple killings and carnage which you sadly and continually approve of with your false bluster.

  • ToughGuy1

    It’s all Obamaeconomic’s getting the American Public in hysteria. Because we got to put up with this egomanic jerk. A modern day Black king George the III and his loyalist minions. Let’s make a stand and unseat this ruler and his White puppet VP for Impeachment. C’mon let’s show some liberty and our pursuit of happiness. Before it’s too late!

    • http://midcontent brand inspector

      Has anyone heard what ontitlement or tax loophole the socialist/marxist democrats would put out for everyone to see! the maddrass educated marxist sure will not be taxed for the 5 million dollar vacation, or count it as income for tax purposes that George everybody would have toclare a income! Hope gun sales keep climbing as the socialist/marxist de,ocrats want disarm everyone like all dictators and socialist pukes alway do!

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Are the Repulicans sticking to their guns in support of the 2nd Amendment?

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      If you divide the country between Black and White, neither one stands a chance. That’s NOT the issue. People are being brainwashed to think that way but the Obama’s and Biden’s want both sides to be there serfs. It’s more like this. Caligula, the Roman Emperor said: If I am man, then my subjects (Black and Whites) are something else. If they are men (regardless of color), then I am something more.The best way to defeat an enemy is to make him your friend.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Lieberman was mentioned. Lieberman is not, I repeat, is not an American. When he was sworn in, he lied truth is teeth. Never has upheld our Constitution or Bill or Rights. He is a Zionist and Zionist only want to use he “In God we trust”, not contribute to it. He strives to see American blood spilled and money spent for the furtherance of the Zionists cause. He’s a foreign agent working in America, like the many other Zionists working in DC. His own cause even spits on the Ten Commandments and twists the prophecies to suit themselves.

    • Robert Smith

      And he was almost the VP candidate for McCain. I might have considered that ticket.

      But then… Maybe McCain’s judgement ain’t so great. Eventually he chose Sarah.

      Rob

      • http://midcontent brand inspector

        If the jugeared marxist amd all the socialist dumbocraps have their plan put into effect, we will be ruled by the UN dictators and all of the freaks of nature in that worthless money wasting cluster. Dmorats are always yapping like dogs in standing heat, but will not get off the porch to fight for protecting the USA. Must be a socialist/communist mindset.

    • nc

      The Christian American, do you ever leave your house? When you ride down the streets and see a different Protestant CHRISTIAN Church on every corner do you ever wonder why? Do you recon that there is some serious ‘TWISTING” of the prophecies that creates the need for so many separate CHRISTIAN churches?
      Don’t blame any other group for “twisting” if the Christians are bigger twisters than Chubby Checker! BTW, do you know which of those Christians Churches have it wrong and which have it right??? Who told you? Are you hearing voices? There is medication for that!

  • Doyle

    As was atated above, if we were taxed at 100% of our earnings, the government would go bankrupt——waste, theft, politicians ever searching for a new project —–there is no end to
    the spending—-Dems like to make it look as if Republicans cause it all—-

    Immigration—-why can’t we Americans go to Mexico and other countries and set up house keeping with out be locked up, robbed, murdered, —but we welcome all others here and
    give them free housing, medicine, education, healthcare etc.—-doesn’t make sense

    Why pay idiot policians the rest of their lives after serving one term ?????—-Stop some of this madness.

  • Freddie L. Thacker

    May every real American step up & be heard. Heartlands, Texans, honest hard working people of all races, teachings & religion.

  • Protect Thy Student

    We are missing the REAl part of The 2nd Amendment. For a regulated Militia[ the whole body of the people] to be armed to keep a free state, from foreign or domestic threats. Now everyone says Militia thats scarey, no thats you, and it is your DUTY and Responsiblity. Teachers have FAILED in their duties, thats ovious. Now lets look at American Militia, American Militia were called out throught US in 1775, before an Army could be organized, and they fought bravely. 1812 the militia called out as we were invaded from the north, the Militia fought bravey at Fort Ticongerougo[sp]. The Army takes its orders from the Federal Govt, the Body of the citizens take no orders but only from above. To Keep a FREE STATE.

    • eddie47d

      Back then the militias were a necessity because there was no standing army. Now they are nothing more than self righteous hooligans like the Minutemen Defense (Chris Simcox) and the Sovereign Nation who commit crimes and claim they don’t have to obey the nations laws.

      • http://midcontent brand inspector

        Eddy, what do you think the state’s National Guard does and is for, meals on wheels for perverts and feel good programs.

      • eddie47d

        The National Guard and the militias have nothing in common in todays America. Okay “perverted” Brand Inspector.

  • Mr.Ben

    Mr. Myers, you open your article with these words,

    “I don’t give a whole lot of weight to the Mayans and their calendar, even if they did build a great empire. If they really had a crystal ball you would think they would have been forewarned that the Spaniards were bringing smallpox to the Yucatán in the 16th Century and they wouldn’t have let themselves be enslaved to relatively few soldiers wearing funny hats and riding strange animals.”

    The Mayans are not the Aztecs. The Mayans disappeared 600 years prior to the entrance of the “funny hat soldiers”, for reasons that can only be guessed. Maybe their crystal ball forewarned them after all? Also, their calendar had nothing to do with events that happen on Earth, but with the Earths position among the stars.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Maya_collapse

    The rest of your article was more spot on. Gridlock, Congress’s favorite past time. Greed, the reason they are politicians & and bankster friendly. Gun grabbing, a final detail in the assault on individual liberty.

    The one detail that seems to have been lost in the continuous “focus on guns”, is the mental state of the people involved in these violent acts. Deadly aggression in schools is not always acted out with a gun, there is one connection that does unify each of these violent incidents, pharmaceuticals. It seems to me that our “right to bear arms”, as important as it is, comes second to our “right to mental health”. Though the founding fathers never thought they’d have to cover that freedom. Regardless of opinions on gun rights/laws, they are not more important than the legal doping of our children.

    http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?p=school

  • cawmun cents

    You left(yes I used that particular word to describe them)out the word Gullibility.
    That is when the left swallows every single word their handlers tell them and believe it verbatim.That will happen in 2013 as well.
    In fact…I will go so far as to say that Gullibility will be the very top word that you can use to describe their understanding of what they are told are facts.
    Some things never change….but what do I know?
    Apparently very little…..
    Cheers!
    -CC

  • Terry Bateman

    Here’s my solutions to gridlock, greed, and guns:

    1. Set aside environmental restrictions delaying (environmental impact statements) or
    preventing (particulate emission regulations) construction of power plants, electrical
    transmission lines and everything else needed to upgrade and expand our electrical
    generation and transmission system, oil refineries, chemical , industrial, and manufacturing plants, roads, highways, sewage systems, bridges, railroads, and all
    other infrastructure needs for ten years.

    2.Cut federal corporate tax rate to 20% MINIMUM; They have to pay 20% regardless of
    deductions, credits, exemptions, etc. permanently.

    3.Make the Bush tax cuts permanent for all income categories.
    4.Make the alternative minimum tax rate 20% and make it apply to incomes over
    $50,000 single and $100,000 joint filers and make it permanent.
    5.Restore the Glass-Steagal Act to keep commercial banks from also conducting
    securities and derivatives trading and investing.
    6.Make all income subject to social security and medicare witholding taxes.
    7.10 year federal government plan to re-build, and build new critical infrastructure
    of roads, highways, bridges, ports, railroads, electrical generation and transmission,
    airports, aviation control and command, etc.
    8. Expand and deputize the army to help police provide security by guarding permanently
    areas where masses of people regularly congregate such as schools, sports and
    entertainment venues, malls, churches and critical infrastructure like power plants,
    refineries, ports, chemical, industrial, and manufacturing plants.

    These things being done will provide plenty of jobs for people, plenty of tax revenues
    for government, and security for all in a free society.

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