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Those Liberal Vultures

March 3, 2012 by  

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Karolyn

    That crap about the Fluke girl is just that, crap. $3000 spent over the time she spent in law school does not have anything to do with how much sex the girl had. Everybody knows how expensive pharmaceuticals are. Birth control pills are not cheap. Sounds like Ben and Rush are living in the 19th century. I’m sure they as pure as the driven snow – NOT!

    Ben’s really scraping the bottom of the barrel today.

    • FreedomFighter

      3k in 3 years is allot of pills and rubbers, foams and stuff.

      Just think she has the nerve to ask everyone else to pay for her sex-Ka-paids.

      If your going to do the dirty, pay for your own girly.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Tom W.

        Hey FF, she might be livin’ close to Quantico, ya never know!

      • siquijorisland

        gee no one paid for my condoms

      • Mikey

        Just like a liberal: Her right to have sexual pleasure trumps my right to keep the money that I earn (taxes).

      • eddie47d

        He attacks Tom Brokaw as a Liberal Mouthpiece when Tom is one of the most respected journalist in America. Remember his Greatest Generations. Yet nary a peep about the trash coming out of Rush Limbaugh’s mouth..piece. Honest,fair,decent? Fat chance folks!

      • mary

        The facts are Fluke did not ask for birth contril pills-she wanted to tell the story of a women in her class at Georgetown. The women needed bith control pills for her ovarian cancer-nothing to do with sex-duh. Also, the best part is the women is a lesbian. So why do you not research and find out the truth before you shoot of your mouth.

      • FreedomFighter

        Common Mary we all know it was a political ploy, to get others to pay for Eugenics. If you want to buy the lesbo pills for the next 10 years you can, cost you about 3k.

        Cant you find it in your liberal heart to give? All the mechanisms are in place, you liberals give Obama 1 billion for re-election, yet you cant give a tiny amount for the poor lesbian. You want the rest of us to pay for birth control for millions upon millions of women — striaght up EUGENICS.

        Liberals wrap themselves in do-gooder robes, to hide the evil intent.

        shame shame shame

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Mad Dog

        eddie47d said:

        ” He attacks Tom Brokaw as a Liberal Mouthpiece when Tom is one of the most respected journalist in America. Remember his Greatest Generations. Yet nary a peep about the trash coming out of Rush Limbaugh’s mouth..piece. Honest,fair,decent? Fat chance folks!”

        Seriously eddie – Brokaw and his “Greatest Generations” !! Did you really swallow all that propaganda. Do you know nothing of the last 50+ years? Are you aware of the economic turmoil we are in? The unimaginable debt we are in? The economic devastation we have inflicted on the rest of the world by going off the gold standard in ’73? Are you unaware of the Progressive movement’s degenerative plans that are epitomized by YOUR “Greatest Generation”. Please, eddie, get in touch with the Leftist Media and wake up to the mouth-piece that Brokaw was. I’m not saying he was a bad man — he was just a liberal, doing his media-deceptive job … making a dishonest buck!

      • sesame

        One pill lasts for quite awhile. You don’t have to take it each time you engage in sexual activity. It’s not in anyway like a condom. Women working in high crime areas use the pill to prevent pregnancy should they be raped. Wives use if to prevent pregnancy as do women who are engaged. You don’t have to be a “slut” to use it. The pills are expensive.
        Neither Ben, nor Limbaugh, seem to know much about how the pill actually works or that its main users are married couples.

      • Kathleen Walsh

        excuse us? The ‘girl’ is the only one involved here? Involved with what? You use the word ‘dirty’ – regarding someone’s sex life? Really? Your furious dismissal and disrespect for women flies off the page, sir. Change your attitude, and clean up your language.
        Have a good day

      • Vigilant

        Kathleen Walsh says, “excuse us? The ‘girl’ is the only one involved here? Involved with what?”

        Things would be better in this country if the women asked the same question when they are considering abortion.

      • Vigilant

        Do they still have the Home for Unwed Mothers?

        Perhaps I could get the Feds to fund a Home for Unwed Fathers…just sayin’

      • George2

        Vigilant & Mary: WHERE…can you get FREE viagra? or the government to pay for them?

      • Joe H

        sesame,
        The last time i saw birth control pills, the were in a package and the woman had to take them on a 28 day cycle!! True, they don’t have to take them each time they engage, they do, however take them on a daily basis!!

      • http://naver samurai

        If this woman was more responsible and waited till she was amrried, then she wouldn’t have any need for the BCP. Practice abstaining till marriage. It is the only true safe sex. I will not pay for something that is not required for health or life. If Obama bin Laden makes it so everyone has to pay for birth control, rubbers, etc., as is said by the government, this is a violation of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution. You know, the one that says the government cannot make you buy or pay into anything. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • mark hammer

      hummmm, no brainer here, law school tuition, car , expenses, gas prices up, but she just can’t foot the bill for the spreading of her loose legs, no, send it to the proletarian and let him pay for this student sexual promiscuity.

      why can’t she graduate, then get a federal attorney job in the diverse Obama regime, since they’re the only one’s hiring, then she can spread her legs all she wants and pay for it herself?

      It called self responsibility.

      • Tom W.

        It’s all part of closed door chamber meetings 101!

      • Tom W.

        You know them Catholic girls are hot!!! When Billy Joel wrote in the song “Only The Good Die Young” that Catholic girls start much too late, I knew that he either didn’t know what he was talkin’ about or at least didn’t grow up in the same neighborhood as I did! Those Catholic girls will wear you out!!!

      • Blue Devil

        TomW — I am 85 years old and have been a Catholic all my life! You apparently knew a different bunch of Catholic girls than I did. The ones that I knew were aware that Saturday night was Confesssion night!!!

      • Karen H in MN

        WOW! Mark Hammer—you would make your mother proud with the vile garbage you spewed about spreading her legs. This is all to often what the righties do—they spout but don’t deal with the FACTS. What part of FACTS don’t you get…oh, all of it by the sound of things. Seems to me that YOU are the PIG here….not the girl. Just sayin’

      • Mad Dog

        Karen H, I’ve reached my limit. I’ve read about a dozen of your posts and they all say one thing (Paraphrased):
        “… This is all to often what the righties do—they spout but don’t deal with the FACTS. What part of FACTS don’t you get…oh, all of it by the sound of things. Seems to me that YOU are the PIG here….”

        Karen, you’ve not stated any facts. You’ve posted nothing but insults and name calling. You are – in fact – very hypocritical. I don’t mind that you’re a liberal. I don’t mind that we disagree. As Karolyn has pointed out repeatedly, that’s how we learn, that’s how we teach, that’s how we grow. But Karen, what I cannot abide is a Hypocrite.

        Please read any one of the dozen posts that I (Mad Dog) have made and tell me that this “Rightie” does deal with FACTS. I run facts past you all night long.

      • Joe H

        Now you done it, Mad Dog!!! NOW you ran another libbie off the site using the “F” word!!! You know, FACTS!!! Fooled ya????

        • Mad Dog

          … well Joe, that wasn’t my intent, but I fear you may be right. My intent was to mutually benefit from the “L” word ….

          …. Learn

      • Tom W.

        No wonder you’re a Blue Devil!

      • Blue Devil

        Tom W — Google up Blue Devils

      • Joe H

        Blue Devil,
        wickliffe???

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        Dude, you are disgusting and totally disrespectful of women. Please tell me your comment was posted for shock value, and to evoke an angry response. You obviously don’t know how birth control work. Go talk to a female in your church or family , they will explain.

      • http://naver samurai

        You are right about one thing Mark Hammer, that’s the responsibility part. The libs are always screaming about choice, but never believe in responsibility. They don ‘t possess the mental capacity to understand. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • geeseven

      I’m surprised that you don’t get the point behind this. Why is it the responsibility of anyone but herself and her partners to pay for the cost of the contraceptives? And her quote of three grand a year is a bit outrageous too. $650.00 would cover that for the pill, and as for condoms, there are outlets all over the country that they can get them free.

      Of course, those free condoms aren’t really free, being subsidized by taxpayers. Why don’t you liberals accept personal responsibility and stop demanding other people take care of you and pay your way?

      • Tom W.

        Was it 3K for the year or her whole education? Surely not a year! My God girl!!! When did you have any time for school?!

      • siquijorisland

        The world of reality has so many problems, so it is understandable that some people want to escape to a different world of wonderland, where you can talk lofty talk and forget about ugly realities like costs and repercussions. The world of reality is not nearly as lovely as the world of Liberal Land. No wonder so many people want to go go and join Alice in wonderland..

      • mary

        Why is Cialis and Viagra covered? They are drugs that men get so the can get it—–

      • Vigilant

        Got to agree with you, Mary. It’s like extolling the virtues of medical marijuana when we all know that the real aim is to make recreational drugs available.

        With Viagra, they hide under this “erectile dysfunction” smokescreen to make that recreational drug acceptable. Judging by the sales figures, American men must be the most erectile dysfunctional animal on the planet.

      • Joe H

        Vig,
        Here’s where you and I disagree. I know several guys with diabetes like myself who do suffer from disfunction. I don’t need it yet, YET, but I could down the line. The main difference here is, it IS a medical CONDITION, not a condition of wanting to party, party, party as with the girl mentioned here. if she wants to play, then let her pay!!

      • http://google joanie

        You got it right, I have been trying to say the same thing. But the reply just wasn’t there. Whatever you want to do with your body is your business. We might not agree with your life style but I would not try to stop you. I just don’t want to pay for your “pleasure”.

      • cawun cents

        As for the condoms…..pay some kid in highschool to bring them to you.
        They give them out free there.
        -CC.

      • Vigilant

        Joe H,

        My apologies. I have no beef with you or anyone who has/will have a true medical condition. My comment was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, as I think any guy who wants to have the drug need only go to a doctor and tell him he’s got a problem.

        Sales of the top three erectile medications have totaled $3 billion a year on average. I don’t know if that bears out my suspicion, but I think it does.

      • Joe H

        Vig,
        I totally understand. There are any number of people that DON’T need the stuff and have made it hard on the ones that DO. Those I wouldn’t cross the road to give them a penny towards the cost. There are, however, a great number of men that DO need it. did you know, they are also working on a formula for WOMEN?

    • General “Bull” Krapper

      Granted they’re not cheap, but why should American taxpayers be on the hook for them. She wants to “do the crime, w/o doing the time”. Screw her (oops, seems everyone has already) & other “pay for my pleasure” types like her. As a pleasure I’d love to have a season luxury box @ Yankee Stadium. And for an added pleasure, I’d love for America to pay for it as well. — VOTE FOR AMERICA in November — Stay Well/Stay Safe/Stay Free

      • Karolyn

        Who has said American taxpayers have to pay for it? Where is that coming from? The amount is over the course of law school, which is several years, right? I don’t know how much birth control pills cost, but it has to be close to $100, which would make it $1200 per year. The above poster said $850 for a year. Over the course of 4 years, that’s $3400. For the uninformed, birth control pills have to be taken throughout the month whether somebody’s having sex or not to keep the efficacy up.

        I don’t understand the premise of having the college pay for it, though. My point is why should this girl be attacked for having safe sex?

      • Dolor

        Why don’t they change the law to read: For Married People Only And Not for Sluts!!!

      • Tom W.

        it shouldn’t be a mandatory part of your insurance polocy Karlolyn! If she want’s to pay extra for insurance that would cover her promiscuity then so be it! It shouldn’t be required by law that every provider has to cover contraceptives so that everybody has to pay, might as well hand ‘em a blank check!!!

      • Tom W.

        Now Delor, that wasn’t nice!

      • eddie47d

        Well General Bull why didn’t you attack Tom W for having so much sex with all those Conservative Catholic girls. Apparently men can have all the sex they want and it’s a proud macho moment but when a woman has sex it’s still a slut moment. I reckon times haven’t changed much after all. Women still get pregnant and men still laugh it off as their price of “doing business” and then disappear out of her life. As you say the woman is the criminal and must “do the time”.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        Karolyn is right. Just because she’s taking birth control, that doesn’t mean she’s having tons of promiscuous sex. I think it’s in bad taste to brand the woman that way. And even if she was, as a man I wasn’t exactly chaste during my twenties and thirties. The double standard is garbage in my opinion.

        However, unless birth control is for health reasons, such a woman who suffers severe cramps, etc., who can be relieved of pain or other excessive symptoms, I don’t think anyone should be responsible for footing the bill. If you are wanting birth control, except for reasons mentioned, your objective is to have sex without having children. If you are seeking to have sex without having children, then your objective is to have sex for pleasure. No one should be responsible for providing you with guiltless, consequence-free sex. If you can’t afford birth control, then don’t have sex.

        As someone else pointed out, this argument suggests that either the government (meaning the tax payer), or some other institution, should be legally obligated to provide me with box tickets and a five-star hotel room for the Kentucky Derby. Or perhaps season tickets to my favorite sports team. Because this argument is really about having pleasurable sex without any consequences.

        I will say, on the other hand, that insurance companies are now required to provide viagra for men. The argument there was that it affected their quality of life. Last time I checked, getting a boner so I could get laid had nothing to do with the quality of my life. It’s fun getting busy with the wife. But if my Johnson no longer functioned, I would do something else with my free time. The only time having or not having an erection ever affected my quality of life was when I had one and had nowhere to put it.

        Across the board I think this issue is crap. No one but the person having sex should be paying for contraception, viagra, or anything else. If you’re Lot and his daughters and you think you need to repopulate the human race, that’s one thing. But if you think it’s your right to have tax-payer funded college sex, I’m afraid I have to emphatically disagree with you.

      • Karolyn

        eddie & Alex – Thanks for coming in and helping me get my point across. I was really getting beaten up this morning.

        Alex, you have a great point about the viagra thing too and the medical reasons for birth control pills. I don’t know. Maybe I am wrong, but it still seems right for insurance companies to pay for a prescribed medication.

      • Warrior
      • Joe H

        karolyn,
        sorry to have to tell you, but there is really no such animal as SAFE SEX!!! Sure, maybe she won’t get pregnant, but what is to prevent the spread of aids or other venerial diseases?? The Pill can fail, too! condoms can come off, tear, or be defective. even the ring is only 95% effective!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        Women’s birth control is a prescription pill that she take on a prescribed cycle, whether or not she has sex. It is not like condom where you use one each session.Also the pill is prescribed for various medical conditions experienced by females besides birth control. You guys should do some research and educate yourself. Insurance is suppose to cover prescription, you cannot deny it on the grounds the prescription might be for birth control. When one takes an aspirin it, could be to lower the risk of a heart attack or to ease a throbbing headache. We don’t know. What if a religion believes that all pain should be treated by prayer. Does that mean that aspirin should never be covered by insurance. It applies to that religion only, not everyone.

      • http://yahoo bo

        Viagra I hear puts lead in the pencil, but what the heck has that got to do with birth control. I also hear viagra makes a “visible difference” to the user. So in its own way you could say it contributes to “unwanted” pregnancy. Lets face it. If you can’t get it up, you’ll not be needing birth control, now will you.I hear it (Viagra) is furnished to employees of GM (GovernmentMotors per UNION contract.

    • Joe

      She just needs to get over her self and get her contraceptive pills from Wal Mart. $5 a month. Or she could just get condoms for free from many different places, the dept of health and human services in DC. Or How about the guys being responsible and providing them. This whole brouhaha has been manufactured out of whole cloth. The hearing which she wanted to testify at had nothing to do with contraception it was for religious freedom and the constitution, so only religious leaders were called to testify about that threat posed by the current administration. The media loves to talk about this issue as long as it is Muslim or Atheist or Environmentalism etc.. They are nothing more than the propaganda arm of the DNC.

      • Karolyn

        I don’t know what alternate universe you live in where you can get birth control pills even at WalMart for $5! I just did a web search and found one answer site that said the range is $15-$50, which surprises me. Of course, I don’t even use any kind of prescriptions, so my perception may be skewed. I’m going by what I’ve seen and heard about prescription costs.

        My point here is that the girl should not be crucified as a slut because she has sex. Address the issue, not the person, and the issue is her asking for somebody else to pay for her contraception. The point of her testifying was to explain how important contraception is to women’s health.

      • Dolor

        At $15 per month for 12 months, that is only $180. Add that to what she is getting for student aid and you got quite a number!!

      • Dolor

        She is trying to get a job with the Obama government!!

      • Tom W.

        It’s been a loooong time since you had to worry about those kinda things hasn’t it Karlolyn?!

      • Nightlyonewolf

        Just trying to get a reply to Karolyn. How does contraceptives contribute to women’s health concerns? Surely does not pertain to this case. She is asking for someone else to pay for her promiscuity is she not? If she wants to have sex then have sex. Don’t expect someone else to pay for it though. The whole premise about Rush’s statement was not necessarily to call this young woman names, but to compare her to someone who gets paid for sex. She is asking us to pay her for having sex. Do the math Karolyn. If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck??….it is a duck. Men have to pay for their own contraceptives so why are women any different? If you are having “health concerns” to where you need to have contraceptive devices?….I think you should stop doing what it is you are doing to put yourself in harms way don’t you think? Unless you are saying that she runs the risk of getting pregnant without the contraceptives which would cause her to want to get an abortion since the thought of a child while in college would just ruin her chances of finishing. She gets an abortion which puts her at risk and labels her a murderer, but hey….at least she can continue on with school and continue to have sex with whoever. That is what this all about right? She is fully capable of paying for her own contraceptives and if she is not?….stop having sex until you are capable.

      • Waldo

        Karolyn what alternate universe do you reside in? Does that hair have blond roots? The bottom line is why should any taxpayer have to foot the bill for any form of birth control for those who want to have promiscuous sexual liaisons? My wife and I pay for our own and do not feel we should be forced to pay for yours. If you want to screw around then it is your responsibility not ours.

      • eddie47d

        Nightlyonewolf; So a woman who gets an abortion is a murderer in your eyes then what is that “very nice gentleman” who gets her pregnant called? I see we still have plenty of folks who consider the woman loose and the man still rides away into the sunset stroking his conquests. Why do men feel they have to put women “in harms way” and then the burden falls on the woman? When are men going to stop having sex until they are responsible for their actions?

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        I’ll do you one better, Waldo (and I’m adding to your post, not disagreeing with it). My wife is fixed. We haven’t needed contraception in years. So why should we pay for someone else’s? They didn’t pay for her tubeligation. Neither did the government or a college. We did.

      • independant thinker

        When we were in college my wife and I paid for our birth control ourselves. When we graduated and money was tight because we were just getting started we paid for it. When I was out of work for a time we found a way to pay for it. The whole time she was of child bearing age WE paid for our birth control. Our insurance didn’t pay for it, the government didn’t pay for it, some non profit agency didn’t pay for it WE paid for it. If we could manage to pay our own way concerning birth control even when money was very tight then this gal can find a way to pay for hers.

      • Vigilant

        eddie says, “Nightlyonewolf; So a woman who gets an abortion is a murderer in your eyes then what is that “very nice gentleman” who gets her pregnant called?”

        Make up your mind whether you’re pro-life or proc-hoice eddie. If you’re pro-choice then the man has nothing to say about whether or not she has an abortion. It’s not his body.

        f you’re pro-life, go ahead and call both of them murderers if the male agreed.

        Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

        • Mad Dog

          Vigilant, we should first get the terms correct. Pro-Choice (in the context of abortion) is a misnomer: the life/body in question belongs to the unborn child who’s NEVER given a “choice” whether or not they wish to die. The term “Pro-Choice” would be much better suited for Euthanasia: That decision should indeed be yours, the choice to die with dignity, to pass without pain, and destroy no other lives in the process.

          But Abortion is quite different. Abortion is the extermination of LIFE. By any scientific measure, the embryo or fetus IS a LIVING organism. It moves, ingests, digests, excretes and grows. By an scientific measure, the embryo or fetus is a HUMAN BEING. It’s DNA unmistakably identifies it as “human”, and in fact, as the offspring of both parents. Typically, its geographic location identifies it as a US citizen with inalienable rights to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS.

          If a perpetrator causes harm to the mother resulting in the death of the child, he WILL be charged and convicted of Manslaughter or even Murder in the 1st or 2nd (depending on circumstance). The courts of this land have established that the embryo or fetus IS a Human Life and the termination of that life is Crime. Sadly, the courts are unwilling to exercise consistent justice for ALL.

          To answer your question, Vigilant, EVERYONE complicit with that crime should be guilty: Mom, Dad, Doctors, Nurses, etc. And to use your own statement, Vigilant, YOU CAN’T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

      • Vigilant

        Mad Dog, you’re preaching to the choir. I agree with you 100%.

        I was twisting eddie’s tail, and others here, who are wlling to find fault (rightly so) with the male part of the process, but then insist on excluding the male when decisions about abortion are made.

        I’ve always seen the futility and obfuscation in arguments about when human life begins. It began thousands of years ago and CONTINUES through procreation. It never stopped. To claim it begins at conception is faulty. The sperm and egg are bothing living human protoplasm.

        • Mad Dog

          Sorry Vigilant, I misunderstood.

      • cawun cents

        Just use the money(for contraception) that Maury gave you when you appeared on his show to find out who the baby daddy is.
        That would be better than siphoning off of every other person in America.
        -CC.

    • Doc

      Your right, she has the right to party at the animal house with bluto and the the boys 24/7-7 days a week if she wants, its her business and paying for it is her business not ours or the university’s!

      • Tom W.

        AMEN DOC!!!

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        Actually, Doc, your comment touches on a related issue. Because if the government tried to interfere with or regulate her sexual activities, there would be hell to pay.

    • Tom W.

      Yeah Karlolyn. that wasn’t Ben’s best performance, that’s for sure. The best part, I thought, was his Ted Kennedy impersonation! Other than that it wasn’t quite up to Ben’s usual rib-splitting halarity! By the way Karlolyn. how many years has it been for you old girl?!

      • http://yahoo bo

        I’ve been wondering where she finds all the sex partners. Take a close look at the ugly crone. Must be one of those “the bars closing now girls”?

    • Johnnylobo

      Condoms are “FREE” at just about all health clinics.

      • Tom W.

        She’s a lawyer Johnnylobo!!!

    • Cobrajohn

      Another liberal cry baby! “Why can’t you pay for my contraceptives. Its your fault I can’t afford birth control, the cost of these liberal schools is killing me”

      She needs to get her head on straight! But that won’t happen until she is 40.
      Before that you don’t have a heart if your not a liberal. After that you don’t have a brain if your not conservative.

      • Tom W.

        The shame about it is that Georgetown is a fine Catholic university and their law school is onre of the nation’s finest. She’s giving the school a PR blackeye!!!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Sorry to contradict you but no matter if certain type of women reach 40 or 60 they will remain Liberals/Socialists/Engel-Marxists. When women are raised by their mothers or female teachers without any input from their Fathers or males they never develop the thinking side of their brains.
        Libertarian, Conservative, Ayn Rand, Mises, Hayek, Thomas Sowell, etc., type women are rare among women.

      • eddie47d

        So Ms San Antonio Nadzieja thinks that girls that are brought up in Catholic girl Schools and taught by nuns turn out to be Marxists,Etc? What a riot. I wonder what Rush Limbaugh would call Ayn Rand in all her sexual escapades?

      • Karolyn

        Nadzieja says: “When women are raised by their mothers or female teachers without any input from their Fathers or males they never develop the thinking side of their brains.”

        Our resident psychologist speaks!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn, prove me wrong.

      • Karolyn

        Nadzieja – A totally worthless post, since I can’t do that any more than you can prove your assertion right.

      • D’Loo

        Hey Cobrajohn …Thats my favorite responsibility quote . Only Churchill said in his day …..”and if you are NOT a conservative by 30 …you have no brain . ”

        Does that mean todays law student is 10 years “dummer” than the average citizen of our grandparents & great grandparents …..HMMMMM Food for thought isnt it .

        If this gal spent more time on her studoes and less in the sack ….maybe she’d have been working at $200-400.00 per hour 6-8 years ago . Talk about “entitlement mentality ” . Pay your own way honey , just like we all have .

      • Vigilant

        D’Loo, Churchill’s statement was once valid, but it no longer apllies.

        There was once a rough correlation between physical and mental age. Nowadays, maturation (mentally) occurs at a much higher age. For progressives, it never happens.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Thanks Naddy, at least we know what happened to Karlolyn now!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Karlolyn, you’re living proof! I’ll bet that you were taught by female teachers for the most part!!!

    • Mad Dog

      It doesn’t matter if it’s $3,000 or $3 or $30,000; NOR does it matter that she’s a student, or a wife, or a worker, or a prostitute; NOR does it matter where she lives, worships or how she votes. This is America, ours is (supposed to be) a free-enterprise economy, that is (supposed to be) governed by a Republic (not a Democracy). Under these simply guidelines (reinforced by our Constitution), there is NO place for ANY form or extent of Socialized Medicine. Furthermore, any attempt to advance our Healthcare system any closer towards socialized medicine (continuing a 40-year trend) will further decay the quality and free-choice of healthcare services WHILE escalating the PRICE of all healthcare services FASTER than any other industry, product or service in this nation.

      Now what part of that can’t all these educated women understand (Pelosi & Karolyn).

      • Tom W.

        SIC ‘EM MAD DOG!!! Get ‘em Boy!

      • Jesse Fell

        If our Constitution does not allow socialized medicine, there is no reason why it should allow other forms of socialism, such as public schools, state universities, the post office, public libraries, the National Art Gallery, the national park system, or the interstate highway system. Or, does the Constitution allow some forms of socialism, but draw the line at socialized medicine? if so, where in the Constitution is there a mention of medicine, doctors, or health care?

        As for our form of government being a republic, not a democracy: it is both, “republic” being a term used to describe a form of government that is not monarchical (rather than a form of government that is not democratic). The very term “republic” comes from the Latin “res publica” — the people’s business. And when Lincoln spoke of our form of government as being “of the people, by the people, and for the people” he appeared to be thinking of it a democracy — but perhaps he was another of those liberal vultures.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        Jesse, based on your comment, I’m not sure you understand what socialism is. The Constitution grants congree power to make laws pursuant to the upholding of the Constitution. The preamble of the Constitution states the purpose of the document, that, among other things, it is to promote the general welfare of the United States.

        An educated citizenry is to the benefit of the United States, and is therefore in the interest of our general welfare. Interstate highways are used by almost everyone who owns a vehicle, including you. They are clearly to the benefit of all United States citizens. The United States postal service, which actually operates for the most part on its own revenue, is also to the benefit of all American citizens, and is paid for through stamps and other metered postage and services. It doesn’t receive government funding, except as needed due to government regulations that force it to operate at a loss.

        So in answer to your question, “where in the Constitution is there a mention of …,” the answer is the preamble.

        The only question that then needs to be asked is whether the government’s interference in any particular thing is to the mutual advantage of everyone. They are authorized to see to the general welfare of the United States. If madated health care is destructive (which it is), then it is not necessarily in the public interest.

        In short, not everything that’s “not in the Constitution” is really not in the Constitution. There are plenty of things that fall under the categories of common defense, justice, the general welfare, etc., that are not otherwise specifically mentioned. And it is the job of Congress to enact laws towards these ends.

      • eddie47d

        Mad Dog is only partially right. The cost of health care went up because of private hospital costs and the increase in cost of private insurance. Can’t lay that on the Affordable Healthcare Act when all the national Insurance companies raised rates several years ago by 39-79%. Blue Cross was 59% in increases and before Obama was even elected. They also raised rates to please their stockholders where they made big profits while the patient got the bill for those steep increases. 5 years ago the CEO of United Healthcare walked away with a one billion 400 million dollar pension as if that doesn’t increase the cost of your hospital care. Then there is Big Pharma where they gouged the public in even higher numbers.That was Capital manipulation at its finest yet the public(you and me) bought into it and accepted it. I’m sure those who made money off the stock deals are giddy but not those receiving their medical bills.

      • Mad Dog

        Jesse & eddie – thanks for your posts, adult thoughts and lack of name calling. Jesse, I would encourage you to back up even further than Lincoln. Study not only the words within the Constitution but the intent of the Founders that crafted these documents. Their intentions have been well studied and documented in various collections of letters and biographies. Additionally, you go on to cite many other presumably “socialistic” programs that have been tied closely to our federal government. I would encourage you to re-examine each of them and decide for yourself if you think they’ve been successful? Do they continue to be successful? Could they have been more successful if conducted at the state or local level? Would we all not be better off if the federal government was significantly down-sized and a majority of the programs and services transitioned back to the states? It has been demonstrated multiple times that our taxes sent to the federal government are largely squandered; we are lucky if we get 20 cents worth of service or product for every $1 we pay in taxes. The ratio at the State levels is closer to 30-40 cents for every dollar. The more locally we collect money, manage and deliver services – the more bang we get for our buck.

        So I stand by my position that the Federal Government should avoid ALL Socialist Programs whenever possible.

      • Mad Dog

        eddie47d is right. The problems with our Healthcare system LONG predates Obamacare. The problems began when we first introduced Healthcare Insurance into the Healthcare equation. 45 years ago, we were told that for HC Insurance to work – for actuarial numbers to justify the “premiums to claims” ratio – we needed to lock-in significantly large blocks of policy holders. We were told the only way to do this was through the employer. We were lied to. All other insurance industries have succeeded without ever being pushed by or locked into the employer. We relinquished HUGE personal freedoms when we agree to do that. And we began a process of a NON-competitive marketplace that put ZERO controls or checks & balances on the Insurance Provider. We made it more difficult for employees to change jobs, improve their status or start their own companies. We walked right into the pre-existing condition syndrome.

        But then it got worse. Unlike every other successful insurance industry, HC Insurance was allowed to migrate further and further away from the basic premiss of Insurance: “Catastrophic Claims only”. If we modified Auto Insurance, or Fire Insurance, or Flood, or Life, etc. to be anything BUT Catastrophic – all of those industries would fail as well. We tried to make HC Insurance all about “Health Maintenance”. That sounds good … Health maintenance is good – right? Everybody should adhere to Health Maintenance just like we should adhere to Auto maintenance or Fire Extinguishers. But maintenance is NOT catastrophic. Maintenance WILL cause traditional actuarial tables to fail. Our HC system has been failing for the last 4 decades. Premium rates continue to go up, HC insurance administrative costs continue to go up; HC administration cost to manage the “Maintenance Insurance” bureaucratic quagmire continue to go up … pharmaceuticals, devices, implants, etc. etc.

        Obamacare (and any other attempt to governmentalize HC Insurance) CAN ONLY exacerbate EVERYTHING that was (and continues to be) flawed in our HC system. This inane discussion about birth control contraceptives only demonstrates this. Birth Control is NOT catastrophic. It IS Health Maintenance. It has no place in ANY Insurance program – government or private – religious or secular.

      • independant thinker

        Someone else posted this the other day .

        Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:
        U.S. 65%
        England 46%
        Canada 42%

        Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:
        U.S. 93%
        England 15%
        Canada 43%
        Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
        U.S. 90%
        England 15%
        Canada 43%

        Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:
        U.S. 77%
        England 40%
        Canada 43%

        Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
        U.S. 71
        England 14
        Canada 18
        Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in “excellent health”:
        U.S. 12%
        England 2%
        Canada 6%

        And now for the last statistic :

        National Health Insurance?
        U.S. NO
        England YES
        Canada YES

      • Joe H

        independent,
        i can sum your post up in four words. NATIONAL HEALTHCARE DOESN’T WORK!!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Like I said earlier, SIC ‘EM MAD DOG!!! When I was a child, we didn’t have health insurance, yet whenever we needed to go to the doctor, we went and dad was able to afford to pay the bill out of pocket and we were by no means well off! I believe the the cost of medical attention and drugs was artificially inflated to force us to have insurance! The system we have today isn’t health care, it is social genicide!!! That’s the reason that pre-emptive medicine isn’t covered, oh sure you can go to the emergency room and they have to treat you, but by the time it comes to that, you’re already sick and sometimes dying!!!
        And you see doctors, lawyers, and insurance moguls all pointing their greedy little fingers at each other proclaiming that it’s their fault! All of them smoking Cuban Cigars and driving Ferraris and Mercedes!!!

        • Mad Dog

          THANK YOU Tom W. Finally someone else who has not drank the “Health Insurance” cool-aid.

          I too was raised under similar conditions. My parents had 9 kids and NEVER had any health insurance. My dad was in fact a Doctor and he was adamantly against the Medical Insurance scam from the beginning. Having been raised that way, I too opted NOT to have Medical Insurance. I negotiated with my employers to give me cash instead (sadly that was now taxable income – but its the price we pay). When my wife and I decided to have kids we saved up to pay for OUR decisions. We announced the situation to the hospital and they worked with us. We ultimately ended up buying CATASTROPHIC ONLY insurance to cover worse case scenarios for our kids. We kept those policies active until they moved out on their own. We had one broken leg and one appendicitis. We probably paid in about as much as we received but we also has some peace of mind. We paid out of pocket for all preventative measures and procedures. We invested the extra cash from our employers and now have a retirement option vastly better than SS & Medicare. I converted it to gold 10 years ago and started storing it offshore (legally) 2 years ago.

          I’m 56 and my Health Care has come from my Garden, my Grocer, and my Gym for my entire life. I’ve never been in the hospital other than to visit. My wife’s the same way except you can add three times for child birth.

          Most Americans have ZERO concept of Health or Healthcare and have become 100% dependent on this NANNY-State to take care of all their boo-boos. It’s unsustainable and when the system implodes, there’s going to be a lot of SICK, DESPERATE AND ADDICTED people wandering our streets. Get ready for it!

      • Vigilant

        Jesse Fell,

        Please stop and back up a minute, and consider the following:

        Our form of government was clearly established as a constitutional republic and NOT a democracy. The Founders based it on a pattern of existing governments at the time or in history (e.g., the parliamentary portion of the British monarchy), but were never willing to form a democracy.

        On the contrary, they had seen the excesses of democracy in the past, such as the tyranny of the majority, mob rule, etc., and were not enamored of it. Consider that neither the Senate (until the 16th Amendment) nor the Electoral College, as originally formulated, were institutions of democracy. To be sure, if the Electoral College were purely democratic in nature, Samuel Tilden and Al Gore would have been presidents of the US.

        It strikes me that you, like so many many Americans, don’t understand the Constitution’s original provisions and objective. In addition to outlining the processes of government, it established checks and balances not only to prevent any branch from becoming supreme, it severely limited the Federal government itself from encroaching upon the rights of the states and the citizens of those states.

        Thus, when you talk about the Constitution being silent with regard to “medicine, doctors, or health care,” you fail to understand that the document clearly left that in the hands of the states. Romneycare is not unconstitutional because a state, under the 10th Amendment, can socialize medicine or anything else it wants to within its borders and with the consent of the governed. The Feds CAN NOT do it.

        The same applies to public schools and universities, libraries, and a host of other things, in short, anything not specifically reserved for the Federal government. As for the interstate highway system, that comes under the Commerce clause of the Constitution. Concerning the National Art Gallery and the national park system, both are considered by the majority to be worthwhile enterprises, even if their constitutionality may be in doubt. If they disagree with it, they will ratify a new amendment.

        Lastly, Lincoln was referring to the Declaration of Independence and the doctrine of the sovereignty of the people. He was not extolling the virtues of democracy, but lauding the Natural Law provisions of life, liberty and property. He would never have tipped his stove pipe hat to the notion that government by and for the people was encoded in anything other than the constitutional republic we have.

        • Mad Dog

          Exactly, Vigilant ! Thank you. Jesse (and any others) heed these words – commit to these facts – and understand the true premise behind this country’s founding documents. It is essential that everyone become as familiar as possible with our Constitution and how it is being ignored and disgraced. We are paying the price for this nation’s ignorance. We are paying gravely for the Anti-Constitutional efforts of our President (a self-proclaimed Constitutional Scholar). WTF?

          But mostly, it is critical that we all understand that – if left unchecked – Democracy WILL be the demise of this great Republic. If that sounds contradictory or unpatriotic – you don’t understand the difference between the two; and you’re unaware of recent political trends. Critical Mass has been breached. Ironically, this event will be “critical” for the “masses”.

      • Vigilant

        independant thinker,

        That’s a perfect example of what I said yesterday with regard to Eric (the red) Bischoof’s posting of UN and OECD statistics.

        You won’t find those very telling figures in anything that Eric posts, because he’s as blind as a bat when it comes to acknowledging the inconvenient truth about health care. I doubt he has the courage to even attempt an answer to your posting.

      • Smilee

        independant thinker says:
        March 3, 2012 at 1:47 pm

        I thinks you made these figures up they are totally different than the ones i have seen and further taken all together both England and Canada have proven better outcomes at half the price than we do and you forgot to mention that. Truth is we do not stack up as good as 37 other countries and in most cases pay twice as much for health care per person Even Cuba has better outcomes

      • Smilee

        Vigilant says:
        March 4, 2012 at 10:41 am

        States rights are only those rights not given the Congress or denied them by the Constitution and you totally do not understand the powers given the US Congress. When Congress has the powers then the state does not, their powers are secondary and only apply if the Congress does not have the Power. The Constitution is so much more that the 10th amendment. Congress controls all of interstate commerce and that means a large share of our health care commerce in addition to being in the general welfare of the country over which the Congress has power and when the Congress has the power then the states do not. By this summer you will know that.

      • Joe H

        Alex,
        while I understand what you are trying to state, don’t forget in Article 1 section 8 of the constitution it DOES cover the words post office and post roads. Since ALL roads with a mail box on it could be construed to be post roads, it is covered also. Please be so kind as to show me where it states Health CARE? If it is not in the constitution, then NO! Not without a legal ammendment to the constitution. I believe you will find, with a little research, that the founders did not mean healthcare when they mention General welfare. Doctors were very far and few between during those times and I doubt very much that the founders would suggest such a thing in those times.

      • Vigilant

        smilee says, ““States rights are only those rights not given the Congress or denied them by the Constitution and you totally do not understand the powers given the US Congress.”

        I’m afraid your particularly statist views of the Constitution are at odds with not only the Founders, but with the express and implied powers actually granted in the document, as well as the body of Constitutional scholarship.

        Any middle school child should know, as my generation knew, that the entire purpose of the Constitution WAS NOT to centralize power in the federal government, but to clearly RESTRICT the actions of a central authority, specifically to counter the ills of tyranny and to ensure that THE PEOPLE have the ultimate sovereignty.

        Your top-down view of government shows an abject misunderstanding of why the document was ratified in the first place. Read a few (better all) of the Federalist Papers and you will begin to understand that the major dangers to state ratification grew out of fears that the federal government would have too much power.

        It is doubtful that the states would have ratified the Constitution without the promise of adding the Bill of Rights. The task of the Federalists was to allay the fears of the states/people that the central government would be too instrusive.

        Madison, the Father of the Constitution, clarified the authority of the federal government in the Federalist Papers #45:

        “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”

      • independant thinker

        “I thinks you made these figures up they are totally different than the ones i have seen…..”

        Well Smilee I notice you have not posted anything that would provide an alternate view except a statement of opinion. Go away and come back when you have something other than your word that disputes my post. And while you are at it give some kind of source.

    • Rocky Night

      Karolyn:

      How much does ACORN pay you to defend Obama and drink kool-aid?

      I understand the Big government funds ACORN aka paid for by the U.S. taxpayers to keep visiting these news updates.

      Why else would you be here since you are not interested in hearing the truth.

      • Karolyn

        Hey, Rocky, I sure wish ACORN paid me. Maybe I should look into that. I don’t defend Obama on everything. I just look at situations in a different light than you. Maybe you’re the one who’s wrong. Ever stop and think about it? I do all the time because I have more of an objective mind. As I’ve so often told people, I come to this site to learn and debate and have been here for almost 2 years. If I hadn’t been visiting this site, I would not be campaigning for Ron Paul and have voted for him in the SC primary.

      • Tom W.

        Hey RN, she volunteers.

      • Jesse Fell

        ACORN no longer exists, Rocky. It filed for Chapter 7 liquidation on November 2, 2010.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        I believe ACORN disbanded as stated in a previous post but they probably reformed under another name as usually happens. Anyone know ACORN’s new name?

      • Joe H

        No, Karolyn, you don’t agree with all Odumberer does, you just don’t DISAGREE with ANYTHING anybody says GOOD about him here!!! You WILL however DISAGREE with most things said AGAINST him!!!

      • Joe H

        Check out ACORNs new names here:
        conservativeamericanvet.wordpress.com/2010/04/22/acorn…-cached

    • Warrior

      Progressives blew this one. Queen nan better start searching for better props!

      • Tom W.

        SOON DIE THE QUEEN!!!

    • s c

      K, when is the last time someone called you dense, thick, out-of-touch, behind the learning curve, a space cadet, easily confused, fresh out of the cave or terminally mind-bent? HOW can you be so DUH?
      An adult who CAN”T bring herself to CHOOSE between law school and a busy, expensive SEX life is a first-class LOSER! And people like you can’t wait to DEFEND her?
      Have you ever had ANY priorities in your life? WHY is this so HARD for you? No wonder conservatives and wacko progressives can’t communicate. You never got past Common Sense 101.
      If you have kids, I hope they’re out of the house and GONE. Wasn’t Anita Hill bad enough? Now we’ve got another pretender who will let media whores and politicians stroke her ego. You people couldn’t buy a clue at WalMart. What the flying ____ is your problem, woman?

      • Karolyn

        My ONLY problem, s c, is people like you! What does this girl’s sex life have to do with anything??????? I am not defending her stance on somebody else paying for her birth control! Unfortunately, I guess I just don’t know it all like you, which I am so glad of! Of course, I will never resort to your name-calling tactics, placing me a notch above you, I believe.

      • Tom W.

        She’s got grandchildren (If she’s straight!) your age s c! That thang ain’t seen no action since FDR was in office!!!

      • Karolyn

        Tom – I hope when you go to church tomorrow, you ask forgiveness for the way you’re talking about me. Not very Christian.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn likes to be a weasely Female, pretending she is Libertarian or a Conservative or a Christian.Some Males when they talk to a Female let their guard down and speak gently and nicely and in the process are conned because they don’t know how to respond.

      • Karolyn

        Nadzieja – Why do you always find it necessary to contribute nothing of value only attacks on people? As I have asked, “Are you a psychologist or psychoanalyst?”

      • eddie47d

        Some are just plain psycho! Such as SC’s psycho babble and she had the audacity to bring up Anita Hill who Judge Thomas had an affair with.Men get elevated and promoted and women get demonized and demoted. Time might march on but men’s attitudes are frozen it time …well SC is an exception for women and well call her the Ice Queen!

      • M.M

        Well said S.C. In my days, I’m a bit older, decent girls WOULD NEVER APPROACH A MAN NOR BUY PROTECTION, so she Karolyn and the others who defend Fluke must be easy marks and I feel sorry for the so called men they induce. This is disgusting as to how the girls/women act today, they have disgraced what God has given THE human race for REPRODUCTION, not to make a pig-sti out of their body, I bet they look like a porky-pin by now. You girls are a disgusting mess, just wait and maybe a nice worth while man would come along if they didn’t know your past.
        Anyway if the guy is interested he should buy the protectiono, not girls, hear that Fluke!
        Fluke, wear it out and see what your husband thinks of you in the future.

      • D’Loo

        Good points s.c.
        The word she is missing is RESPONSIBILITY …..

        And for those looking to avoid ACORN …..here is a GREAT article .
        Politics
        An ACORN by Any Other Name Still Smells Like an ACORN, Critics Say
        By Stephen Clark

        Published March 26, 2010
        | FOXNews.com

        Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/similar-groups-acorns-place-republicans-foul/#ixzz1o5LpZGoV

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        The truth can be very painful can’t it Karlolyn?! You know that’s exactly the same thing that the Pharisees and the Sadducees said to Jesus when He was upbraiding them, That’s not a very Christian thing to say!!! Hypocrites and vipers!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Oh, and I am going to church today and I will be asking for forgiveness for my MANY shortcomings, but most of all I’ll be praying that God would open your eyes Karolyn and that you would truly see the point in time that we are standing at!!!
        Is your lamp trimmed and BURNING?!! (Matt. 25:1-13) Because if you’re not LOOKING up, (Luke 21:28) you SURELY to GOD must be blind!!! (II Cor. 4:3&4) You surely don’t want to get numbered amongst the GOATS!!! (Matt. 15:31-46) Keep your eyes on the skies Karolyn, JESUS IS COMING! He loves ya and believe it or not SO DO I!!!

    • http://HOTMAIL Trainman

      She probably enjoys drinking too and that gets expensive so Karolyn you probably believe we (tax payers) should pay for that also, right? Just where does it stop, food cost a lot maybe we need to pay that too for this College brat.

      Have you ever gone to a camping ground, and I mean the big ones way out in the woods? Or maybe you have just heard the saying DON’T “FEED THE ANIMALS” .. The reason is that the animals start getting dependent on someone providing for them and pretty soon they forgot how to forge for them selves. Does this sound like what’s going on with humans in the US? ALL the free loading, Food Stamps, Welfare, Free Housing, and Free Medical, and this goes on generation after generation and that is why we have an OBESE, lazy America.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        Let me add to that by saying that food and a proper diet are incredibly important and relevant to a woman’s health. So you’re right. We need to pay for her food, medicine, birth control pills, contoured memory foam pillow, Dr. Shoal’s shoe inserts, and anything else that might potentially affect her “woman’s health.”

    • crowvet

      Hey it is her body let her buy her own contraceptives. Why should tax payers pay for contraceptives???? Get off of the Give me wagon.

    • http://none C.priewe

      Tampons are expensive so are cosmetics- Should employers be forced to pay for them also ? The socialist form of government Has never worked why do you believe it will work this time ?

    • DavidL

      I appreciate you, Karolyn.

      • Karolyn

        Thanks, David.

      • Joe H

        For what? Comedy relief???

    • T.E.

      YOU are EXACTLY the reason men refuse to take women seriously! Thinking the way you do, and trying to ‘con’ readers into seeing it like you do… Can’t Understand Normal Thinking?

      Every day it’s some sputter of yours that reenforces me to have no contact with the ‘fairer’ sex.
      Your sputter causes me internal eye rolls…
      And aren’t we special to have your opinions to step thru….

      • Karolyn

        I bet I can match you eye roll for eye roll. Would you love it if we all had the same opinions and all women took whatever crap was dished out like it was in earlier centuries?

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        K, would you be offended if I said yes? Women don’t deserve opinions and should remain silent unless otherwise commanded to speak?

        I don’t really feel that way, but sometimes I wish women would just shut up. They don’t think the same way men do.

        Sorry, that’s cheuvanistic. But I think that way sometimes. You can blame Prohibition for that.

      • Karolyn

        Alex – Ever read the book “Why Men Don’t Listen and Women Can’t Read Maps” ? Real eye-opener about the differences between men and women.

      • eddie47d

        Telling women to shut up and take it is also a prat of the problem. Women finally said enough is enough and made a few demands of their own. Men are now mad because they can’t dominate a woman’s thought process as they had done and now have to compromise on issues. MAN do they hate that. We have one friend who dominates and yells at his wife like a child and she tried to commit suicide years ago because of it. Time for a change guys for we can still be in control of our lives without disrespecting their lives.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        eddie, let’s be real for a second. The only reason women have equal rights today is because men said they could. It had nothing to do with them standing up for themselves. If the men had said, “no,” it just wouldn’t have happened.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        K, never heard of the book. But the topic has me curious. I’ll check it out.

        I think I have a pretty good grasp on why men and women are different, though. Our psycology is completely different. Men think differently. And I don’t necessarily mean superiorly, just differently. My wife is very emotional in her thinking. The more passionate she is about something, the harder it is to change her mind. I’m very logical in my thinking. All the passion in the world won’t take my attention off of the facts.

        In my experience, this describes my interactions with most women I’ve known throughout my life.

      • Libertytrain

        eddie said “We have one friend who dominates and yells at his wife like a child and she tried to commit suicide years ago because of it.”

        I hope you either dumped him as a friend or mentioned he needed help….

      • Karolyn

        Alex, men are more left brained (logical), while actually women have more balanced left and right thinking, although it is well-known that women are more emotional in general.

      • eddie47d

        Actually Libertytrain they are still good friends of ours and he knows I won’t tolerate his past.

      • Joe H

        libertytrain,
        Actually, I’ll bet eddie never said a thing to him!! It is against the liberal psyche to “GET INVOLVED” in matters such as that! I have two scars on my back, one from seven stitches and one from twelve, from encountering guys that hit their wives. I WON’T tolerate it. I’ll probably go under from that one of these days, I can’t stand to see a woman hit by a man!!

      • Libertytrain

        Joe – eddie wrote as if this guy is currently doing this, in his reply to me he implies that was in the past….I’m confused – :)

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Libertytrain. I used to have a “good” friend like the one eddie desribed…I was best man at their wedding…haven’t seen or spoken to him in over 10 years now…just because of the way he treated his wife…a verbal bully…and I know she didn’t deserve 1 oz of verbal abuse because I’d known her & her family since she was a young child.

      • Libertytrain

        Jeff – well dearie pie – it’s not just men – I’ve seen an occasional woman that has done the same to her man. I don’t get it in any case. Whether you grew up that way or not….you can choose to be different and change. I’ve seen it done a thousand times where people realize they have been idiots…

      • Joe H

        Jeff And libertytrain,
        the very first night I spent in a new unit in Wurtzburg Germany, I went to a company party at the rod n gun club. While there I heard them ask one guy if his wife knew he was there. He just said ” don’t know and don’t care, I wear the pants in MY family. wasn’t about 20 minutes later this BIG woman came in, grabbed him by the knapp of the neck and DRUG HIM OUT!!!! n the way out, she was telling him how she was going to whip his butt when they got home!! Yes, it isn’t common, but it DOES happen!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      $3000? Was she studying law, or biology? What a tramp! And to make matters worse, she’s demanding that someone else pay for her lascivious humping! How can she pull this off? Designate humping under health-care? I wonder if related costs incurred as a result of porn addiction could be recovered in like-manner? According to libs, every conceivable form of sexual-deviancy should be covered under health-care! Worms!

      • http://yahoo bo

        Do hookers use birth control? I mean we already pay for their “affection”, so when was the last time you heard a hooker say she needed some extra cash for the pill? Pay the [offensive word removed] and be done with it.

    • R Henry

      Contraception is not health care it’s a life choice. If the pill is prescribed to treat a condition as a therapy it will still be covered by insurance.

      If contraception is healthcare is pregnancy a disease?
      I think not!

      My generation payed for their own birth control there is no reason we should have to pay for yours!

    • Jimbo

      For 50 years I’ve been buying very expensive glasses because my vision is too bad to be corrected by contacts, surgery, or Lasik. I need them to find and drive the car, to prepare my food and eat it, to read, and to avoid tripping over things. In other words, they’re an absolute necessity to live. Yet the insurance industry and Feds say glasses aren’t normally a coverable condition. If I want coverage, I have to purchase additional insurance that’s usually as expensive as the glasses are.

      I did not CHOOSE my vision problem. It is a REAL health problem that hit me when I was 7. Contraception and abortion on the other hand ARE usually a choice. A decision you make about how you want to lead your life. You’re not going to die or get sick if you don’t get an abortion pill or condoms. Most that will happen is you get pregnant or a venereal disease. And you can prevent those things by simply exercising a little self control. So it’s not a health issue. And the rest of us should not have to pay for YOUR bad choices?!

      The liberals cooked up this false right to draw attention from the REAL issue. That is, that we are guaranteed freedom of religion in this country, and they are trying to take it away. They hate Catholics and Christians and other people of good moral fiber.

      • Karen H in MN

        Jimbo—-I cannot believe the things you people say about the liberals. They don’t hate Catholics and Christians—That statement is stupid…..they ARE Catholics and Christians and people of good moral fiber. In fact it would appear that they may be even “holier” than you righties because we care about the poor and the underdog.
        I don’t know why the contraceptives are going to be free to all. I have never heard why. I would ask on here, but one of you ‘sweet’ men or Barbara or someone would blast some cock-eyed answer at me. You would spew on that the sluts are all demanding it or something as dumb.

        I like your casual comment, well, no I don’t like it, about having sex w/o the contraceptive…saying the most you could get is pregnant or a venereal disease. The MOST you could get is pregnant??? and what does sex have to do with your needing eyeglasses? The fact that you NEED them, vs the sluts don’t NEED contraceptives? Women, women, hear that…not the sluts, or the promiscuous, or the prostitutes, but women NEED contraceptives to avoid unwanted pregnancy. I have always said that it would be better served if MEN took the pill. They are the ones that can skip into the sunset when the woman gets pregnant. I’d like to see how men react and/or behave if THEY were the ones that would carry the baby, and be expected of course to raise it…
        unwanted or not. It is soooo much better to not bring sweet innocent babies into a world where they aren’t wanted. So…bottom line is…birth control is a choice, I don’t get the FREE part of it. I had to pay for mine, OR INSURANCE DID, so that’s not my battle. My battle is to see that women employees get the same right to the insurance programs that any other employee does. It is NOT anyone’s business if she uses a contraceptive or not.
        and the name calling of women that have sex w/o being married does not a slut make. If they are, then the male is also, and the good ol’ boy ideas need to stop. They need to be condemned as well. Simple solution the woman takes the pill if she chooses to and it is noone’s business but her own. Period.

      • Libertytrain

        karen had no trouble whatsoever calling another woman the “c” word….I found that despicable. Another do as I say, not as I do liberal – how repulsive this gal is – how can she lecture when she does it herself……

    • restorefreedom

      Point is it’s no one’s problem but her own. Why should anyone else pay for her sexcapades. Talk about entitled getting a little out of hand don’t you think???!!!!!

    • Tim

      Karolyn I think you are the one that missed the point! If any woman wants to have sex so be it. We the American public do not want to pay so that they don’t get knocked up. WHERE IS PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS? The same can be said for men I don’t want to pay for a condom. What happens when they get an STD? I guess we pay for treatment. GET OUT OF MY POCKET!!

    • catfish

      It has nothing to do with being pure as the driven snow. We are paying for having sex, not health care. Having sex is a personal decision and during my day, birth control was in most service station restrooms, and was paid for by the individuals involved. No reason for the same standards not being used today. Fluke can float her own boat.

    • FireMall

      To All these gals whining about not having free Birth control .
      Seems to me that they expect many to pay for her / his orgasms.
      Isn’t this getting real close to , no less than prostitution or at the least Gold digging. ?
      If these gals that want Free , unaccountable sex at other’s expense have the nerve along with an obvious , strong Liberal indoctrinated sense of entitlement , I have the solution ,
      They could First just admit that they want their fun at no personal cost & or responsibility while expecting others to foot all the cost of said booty bills / Hooking cost / i.e. overhead.cost.
      There is no doubt in my ming that 90% of these gals won’t sleep with a poor boy so, Charge the Studs for services rendered and pay for your own dammed fun and adjust said charges to offset what they want others to pay for.
      Yep; I’m being a tad rude, Tough, get a life girls and pay for your own dammed fun & I’ll do as I’ve always done and pay my personal fiddler for what ever I want & or Enjoy..

      Just to keep all these pathetic entitlement gigs on an even scale .

      I enjoy going to the honky tonk dance halls and boot scooting my till last call.
      To get loosened up a tad & cut loose from the weekly stresses of “earning my own keep” & finance my “Fun” , I begin the night of fun with Old Jack Daniels at the bar / dance hall and share a few Coca Colas with Old Jack,or Lucky 7ups [with a lime wedge of course ] .
      Now, In fairness for having been Forced to pay for other’s pleasures, I expect everyone else to subsidize my fun.

      Having done a cost analysis quite a few mornings after said fun nite,

      Wanna bet my fun at the dance hall with Old Jack, and the cost of dancing the soles off my boots cost more in one nite than several month’s worth of the “BC pills for nothing and Big “Orgasms” for Free” cost the gals who wanna get off for nothing. ??

      Why would any gal who knows how to dance in the real world , actually think , or even have the mitigated gall to assume I should pay for their personal pleasure when my old wiener dog wasn’t even invited to the hunt & cook off ?

      BTW; Furthermore, In spite of how much fun Old Jack provided to the cause, I won’t be buying these kinda gals drinks all nite long just so they can take the Bar Tender home after last call , either. LOL

      This also kinda goes along with a spoof song my favorite dance band sings.
      “We’ve already had drinks, We’ve already danced, We’ve already closed down the bar, Now, get outta them britches or get outta my truck”. HeHeHe !!!
      Yep; in spite of how rude this sounds, It still pretty much supports how I live life and definitely Proves, “There ain’t no such a dammed thing as Free anything in the real world.

    • http://Liberty Tony

      To Karolyn:
      Right on Ma’am!! As stated 100 times before, i’m a conservative, but you’re definitely right about that loud mouth fat turkey Limbaugh.
      Thanks!!

    • dfinch

      I think we’ve all now found out that this girl was a setup. She isn’t 23. She’s 30 and she’s an activist. How low can Pelosi go???

    • Ross

      I don’t think it’s Ben scraping the bottom of the barrel at all. I diaphragm is a one time cost until after childbirth or extreme weight changes. Spermicidal jelly is available at most supermarkets and store like Rite-Aid and CVS. Very cheap and VERY effective with NO side effects! No big Pharma! No more poisons for women nor men! If this woman had ovarian cysts, that can be treated with other non-toxic remedies. Please check it out yourself. I had a friend who completely was healed from an XTREME condition of this with daily doses of fresh squeezed lemon juice and shot (straight up) of apple cider vinegar; totally cured from painful ovarian cysts. I’ve never been a supporter of birth control pills because they are chemical and un-natural; they are also linked with breast cancer and uterine cancer. All I have to add is send in the doctor. Ron Paul 2012, for FREEDOM. (P.S. I am almost glad Rush bugs me as well as FOX, CNN, CNBC, MSNBC and the rest….once they are no longer useful between demos and repubs, then, they’ll promote Christian and Islamist…just watch….)

    • Russell

      I don’t care if the young lady has sex every day — it is none of my business. BUT I DON’T WANT TO PAY FOR HER CONTRACEPTION.

      I am sorry her friend had ovarian problems. I don’t care if she is gay or straight — it is none of my business. BUT I DON’T WANT TO PAY FOR HER MEDICINE.

      My wife takes birth control pills because we decided two beautiful kids is enough for us. BUT I DON’T WANT YOU TO PAY FOR HER MEDICINE. We are responsible for our own medicines, food, shelter, water, fuel, electricity, etc………..

      • someone

        Gee whiz, how conservative of you! Didn’t anyone tell you, the new fashion is liberal? Major faux pas, dude!!

    • JUKEBOX

      Karolyn, Planned Parenthood gives that stuff out for free in many cases or $7.50 at the most. Wake up and smell reality.

    • Tom

      Karolyn, being an older man, I don’t know how much every woman pays for BCP, but I did fact-check the Costco pharmacy and found a BCP, a generic for one of the most common ones, available for about $38 … for THREE MONTHS! It works out to around $12.60 per month. So when people tell me that women can’t afford their own (and when you tell me they aren’t cheap, as you said in your post), well, I flat out don’t believe it. Maybe they choose something more expensive, and maybe there are SOME women who have a medical reason for needing something else. But most women can come up with $12.36 per month, and if not, maybe their partner could help out. Or their parents. I just do not believe people can’t afford their own in most cases and Obama is just a political panderer throwing out freebies. He disgusts me.

    • http://personalliberty.com Alondra

      Karolyn, you are so rich example of the LIBERAL crap. I am just wandering what you, all kinds of the leftist [liberals, progressives, fascists, islamists and of course communistic-democratic or better I say DEMONIC Party], are drinking that make all of you such insane.
      We do not need even to test you on insanity. It’s just enough to take one look at your leaders: Obamas, Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Reed, Durbin, Schumacher, Maxim Waters, Barbara Boxer, Soros, CAIR, ACORN, Media Matters and the majority of the leftovers.
      When you’ll stop whining and complaining? When you’ll stop require and demand “the free lunch.”
      JFK, who was loved by majority of Americans, gave the advice to individuals like you: “Ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.” It means: be givers and not takers.
      Answer please: Why I or any taxpayer MUST pay for the ORGASM of your or Fluke’s sex partners? Why they would not pay for or at least split the cost with you? Why you want that somebody else paid YOUR bill? Name for this kind of demand is PARASITISM and not sympathetic compassion as you, leftists, paint it.
      If you are addicted to sex, so go to rehab. Good luck.
      Proud Independent and Tea Party supporter.
      God BLESS America and blessed be Rush.

      • Karolyn

        Blah! Blah! Blah! Same old same old over and over. Why don’t you try thinking outside the box and using the same old rhetoric that we hear ad infinitum. Look at things and people with new eyes. You cannot lump everyone into the same category. I am not a progressive, as I have heard them described; however, I have always leaned to the liberal side. All that being said, I have come to appreciate some conservative views from posting on this site. It’s only the extremists that I totally have a problem with – and that’s extremists on either side I’m talking about. So don’t label me; you don’t know me and probably have not read much of what I’ve posted over the past almost 2 years.

    • Jon

      karolyn: you have to be kidding …..$5.00/ month at Walmart .50 ea. and the pills are not good for you (side effects are real) , no sex (a personal choice not life threatening) and you need none of it. BUT because you can (it is your right to knock off a little) I should pay for it?????? Like most Entitlement libs you think the govt pays for it …… Lady, NO WE DO, with a real healthy mark up (gotta pay the bureaucrats) and the skim. Hey what the hell ask your favorite toy to pay for at least he (or what ever) is getting the benefit, I am not I have paid my price and do not need or want your strange, quit asking me to pay for it.
      Oh just FYI the label of women’s heath is a crock the pills again are NOT good for the ladies and the activity invites other issues of health risk. The activity is a personal choice and responsibility NOT A COMMUNITY ONE….. NO ONE IS ASKING OR TELLING YOU, YOU CAN’T Just telling you to stay out of our pocket for your pleasure.

    • http://google joanie

      It doesn’t matter how much it cost, taxpayers should not have to pay for it.

      • chase

        truth be told if obumer wasn’t trying to take over healthcare then we could push for the correct answer of free trade and competitive commerce which in turn drives down the cost across the board. then maybe, just maybe people could aford the own contrceptives. my wife and i pay for our own and always have. i’m not willing to pay for someone else’s lifestyle.

    • KHM

      @Karolyn,
      Why do you post here? You never agree with Mr. Crystal or with the other commenters.
      You might be happier sticking with the Daily Kos or Huff Po.
      Oh and while you’re at it take Karen H from Minneesoota and good ole eddie 47. If any of you really wanted to have a dialogue that would be one thing, but you do not.
      Christians and Conservatives are people who aren’t perfect but do”love their neighbor” a lot more than Progressives. Progressive always project on to their opposition their own biases and attitudes.
      This woman, Sandra Fluke, that Pelosi chose to appear before Congress is a flake. Why should anyone expect someone else to pay for their contraception? Why do we even want to know about this promiscuous law student? Pelosi really chose poorly on trying to get her message across with this young woman. I’d bet that Ms. Fluke won’t exactly have law firms lining up to hire her when she graduates.

      • Smoke101

        Pelosi did not present her to Congress-it was just a staged press conference. Typical theater to distract from the real agenda. Don;t look at what the Commie in Chief is doing to destroy the country. Save our Country by getting rid of Libs. Liberalism is a ‘mental diease!

    • Ronald R. Johnson

      Simple solution this person and all who agree with her thoughts should get together and start paying for all the poor women who want sex but can’t afford to pay for and don’t seem to have enough sense to require the guy to at least furnish his own raincoat!
      Then religious people wouldn’t have to go against their church as it should be and those who think it’s Ok to play with out paying can pick up the slack!

    • Michael

      Birth control pills cost $50.00 per month through planned parenthood. But as usual the left falsifies their numbers.

    • Stuart Shepherd

      (OFFENSIVE SENTENCE REMOVED)
      It doesn’t matter HOW much sex Ms. Fluke was fornicating- why should Georgetown University (and the other students attending there through group health insurance) pay for it?!! She should pay for her own screwing around if she didn’t want a baby! Yes, if it was for a MEDICAL reason it should be paid for on the plan and probably is. You women are just incredible in your entitled attitudes- (OFFENSIVE SENTENCE REMOVED)

    • Randy

      A month’s worth of generic birth control pills costs $9 at Wal-Mart and Target, which means $117 a YEAR or $351 for three (3) years. Not that bad if you are going to a $40,000+ per year law school! I understand that Georgetown DOES cover birth control pill, IF they are needed for a medical condition (such as ovarian cancer), and not for contraception. Also, Miss Fluke went to Georgetown BECAUSE they did NOT cover contraception, and she wanted to try and get they to change their policy.

      • Shirley

        Randy,

        You can read people’s minds? WOW!

    • Brian

      In my opinion, it’s just another example of Socialism’s advancement, making other people pay for healthcare benefits, when the Healthcare provider is the one that is truly at fault, and a lot of it is due to the company or organization because of the healthcare provider they chose, and many times the insurance provider doesn’t specifically say what is covered in it’s premiums. Because as usual, the most money for the least quality for what you pay for from the lowest bidder for the contract.

      And yes I have seen the video(s), so I am aware of and therefore not insensitive to (particular in this case) the plight that students face as far as healthcare goes, but the colleges are most at fault due to their increased use of the funding not to properly pay for the students resources via their tuition or state or federal grants, but rather line the pockets of the College heads as frivolous bonuses etc. while cutting those funds to student resources. Which is why I see that the tuition bubble will be one of the next things to burst if things continue as it stands now for secondary education.

      Legislation and regulation (big key word there, as we’ve no doubt seen how harmful it can be) is not the answer; because you wind up punishing others regardless of how innocent the situation is.

      Insurance companies no matter whether it’s healthcare insurance or Property insurance has grown uncontrollably within the last decade alone, while simultaneously providing less and less coverage for the increases in the premiums, so that even the out of pocket expenses are unbearable.

      Healthcare in particular has exploded uncontrollably as Big Pharma (right along with the FDA) continues to expend it’s resources to pay Executive and representatives exorbitant salaries (and paying for political favors to push their agendas) as well as using expense accounts to buy dinners, snacks and other unnecessary things to entice prospective clients into purchasing their products (I see it all the time being in heathcare myself for the past 14 years). using any means neccessary to garner more contracts for these companies, rather than curing the ailment or preventing it all together.

      It’s not just access to women’s healthcare, it’s access to all our healthcare needs, but regulating it will only make it worse. It’s a big time gut check to Legislators, Big Pharma, The FDA and the Insurance community.

    • someone

      So- you’re saying birth control has nothing to do with sex. Maybe an explaination is in order- If youy aren’t having sex, you don’t need birth control! In my part of the country, $3,000.00 would buy LOTS of birth control!! Yikes!

      • Ronald R. Johnson

        Three Thousand dollars spent on birth control might not be to far out of line if she were with three or four men a night,seven days a week! But Fluke is full of it! She knew the schools policy on birth control before she ever applied and only applied to try to force the school to go against it’s beliefs and give her buddie Obama a new wagon to jump on?
        Fluke,Gloria Aldred,Steinem,Jay Rockeller and Fonda are all one of a kind and need to be shipped to an Island along with Obama and all his Czars and cut off from anyone, so they can do no damage!

      • Shirley

        The POINT is that health insurance should cover the needs of the person who has the health insurance. Contrary to your opinion, there are numerous medical reasons why a woman may need hormone treatment. Why do you object to women having birth control even if it is for sex? Why do you want to control females in this manner? Asking Georgetown U. to provide the needed coverage for its employees would not cost the American taxpayer one penny. Why the war on women? You need to support women not try to verbally, or otherwise, beat us down!

        • someone

          Hold on, now- Let’s call an orange an orange. If a woman, or man for that matter, needs hormone therapy, CALL IT THAT. I do not object to anyone having birth control, I strongly object to being forced to pay for it. I do not want to control anybody, on the contrary , it’s you and people like you trying to control ME- Make me pay for your (fill in the blank)- That’s called socialism, and it’s what is killing this Country.Your comment protrays me as sexist, couldn’t be further from the truth. I will say, the only woman I want to support, however, is my wife. When she needs medication, I will pay for it, not look for someone else to take on MY responsibility.

          • Mad Dog

            Shirley, I have to agree with and commend “Someone”. He talks of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and nothing could be more germane. Every American MUST take Responsibility for their own lives and that of their families. Take an interest in our neighborhood and communities – assist with and invest in – but only to ensure that all other individuals LEARN Personal Responsibility and the rewards of Personal Dignity.

            Under NO circumstances are we (any Americans) ENTITLED to anything. Listen why and think about it: This country’s grossly in debt. It will take us decades to climb out of debt – if ever. We are in debt because of the legislators and executives we’ve elected. Maybe you didn’t vote for the biggest spenders, but as an adult American you didn’t do enough to change the problems we now face. Even young adults voted overwhelmingly to add $3 Trillion dollars to our debt when they elected Obama. Because of our stupidity, selfishness and ambivalence this “Once considered the greatest generation” has incurred debt that will be passed on to UNBORN, UNREPRESENTED future Americans. That – my dear friends – is unconstitutional. It is illegal and immoral.

            So for any one of us to cash a government check, vote for ANY spending increases or pretend for one moment that you are ENTITLED TO ANYTHING today that will be paid for (plus interest) by your grandchildren – is nothing less than NARCISSISTIC.

            It has nothing to do with gender or liberal or conservative or democrat or republican – All irresponsible parasites of our bankrupt government are UN-AMERICAN.

        • Mad Dog

          @Shirley, Someone, EVERYONE: At the risk of beating a dead horse (that apparently still can’t drink water ever after having been lead directly to it):

          If Georgetown U owes its female students or employees insurance subsidies to cover BC and other medical issues – then they should also subsidies all the male students and employees that pay higher car insurance because the Car Insurance Industry claims males incur greater costs.

          Now I don’t really condone that. By now you should all know what I advocate – It’s quite simple:
          Everyone pay your own regular and preventive medical expenses.
          Everyone pay your own premiums for CATASTROPHIC medical events.
          Everyone leave your employer, your college, and your government out of it.

          Everyone KNOW THIS: for every middleman you put between you and your doctor – your medical expenses WILL double.
          Involve your Insurance company and a $100 bill becomes $200.
          Involve your Employer or College and that $200 becomes $400.
          Involve any aspect of the Government and that $400 become $800. **
          Involve any lawyers or litigation and that $800 becomes $1600.

          (**Because all branches of the government are fraught with bureaucratic waste and corruption. Even if that weren’t the case, every branch of the government has public employees – none of which work for free – all of which make more than their private sector counter parts – all of which require offices, overhead and benefits – and all of which require tax payer dollars. But even after collecting all of our taxes, the government still borrows 45 cents for every dollar it spends on medical insurance or expenses.)

          Debating whether Fluke should have free Birth Control is like debating whether the worker in the Japanese nuclear power plant should have turned the lights off before the tidal wave hit. IR-freaking-RELEVANT !!

    • GW

      Forget the bottom of the barrel. Who cares about the expense. We The People should not have to pay for her sex.

    • Thomas

      Karolyn, it doesn’t matter how expensive the contraceptives are, you can have all the sex you want just don’t ask me to pay for it. Her cost is not our problem, it’s hers. If the cost is so great, maybe she just needs to keep her knees together. The decision is her’s and the cost is her’s.

  • Jackie

    WAKE UP AMERICA!
    SUPER TUESDAY = LIFE OR DEATH?
    Super Tuesday could absolutely mean Life or Death to America as we know and love it.
    We are not doing this because we are in love with Newt Gingrich.
    We are not doing this because we believe Mitt Romney is evil.
    Nor because we believe Rick Santorum is a liberal.
    We are doing this because we believe that
    Newt Gingrich is the ONLY way to BEAT BARACK OBAMA.
    Period.

    • Karolyn

      Gag! Choke! Please, it’s too early in the morning for the disgusting thought of Newt as President! Vote for Ron Paul!!! Upset the applecart!!

      • mark hammer

        “I don’t understand the premise of having the college pay for it, though. My point is why should this girl be attacked for having safe sex?”

        here’s the premise: Obama wants all businesses to supply ‘contraceptives’. Fluke want georgetown to supply ‘contraceptives’. pelosi is using the issue ‘contraceptives’ politically as a woman’s right issue.

        we, the thinking class, don’t care how much, how often or with whom Fluke has sex. I don’t care if she has it with her dog.

        the point is here: she, and she only, should pay for it! Not the school, not the tax payer. You see, dear lady, by forcing the school to pay, tuition goes up for everyone so Fluke can get her sexual fix. That means, someone, not having sex, trying to work hard and graduate, has to subsidize Fluke and her sexual activities.

        get it?

        Here’s another example: if I have an eating disorder and consume vast quantities of pizza, say $3000/yr, would I then request/demand the school/taxpayer to pay?

        where does it stop?

      • Karolyn

        marc – The point is contraceptives should be included in the pharmaceuticals covered by insurance prescription drug plans. It probably wouldn’t even cost more to have it in the plan. I’m surprised it’s not in all plans. Maybe it is and certain organizations like the Church keep it out? Birth control is an important women’s health issue. Also, there are many women who are prescribed birth control pills for other health issues.

      • DanB

        The university in question happens to be founded on something called religion. This would be like going to BYU, signing their dress code about acceptable attire, and then attending class in tank tops and short shorts. You would be in violation of the dress code and possibly suspended/expelled. Accept she isn’t attending the “Y” and as far as I know they aren’t suspending her for her activities. They don’t go as far as “Y”, but then the “Y” does have students sign a document agreeing to certain restrictions in their dress and behavior with written statements that violations can potentially result in expulsion. In her case, the school simply does not cover those certain services on their medical plan. As others have pointed out, she can get the services elsewhere with her own dime and nickel. This isn’t about equality. This is about forcing a religion to violate their own moral code.

        In fact, from what I read, someone claims to have found evidence that she actually chose this university specifically to cause this conflict. That she had studied their policy upfront and chose this school just so she could oppose their stand on covering contraceptives….

      • Tom W.

        If it was up to Karlolyn mark, it would never stop! It always amazes me how generous some people can be with oter peoples money!!!

      • John Tedford

        Karolyn You are right on being for Ron Paul. He has the best deal in the country. He wants to abolish the Income tax and the I.R.S. and replace it with nothing. At one time in America we had no income tax. The government financed itself with small tariffs on imports comming into the country. He intends to abolish the Unconstitutional Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and give Congress the control of our nation’s money. The Federal Reserve brought on the great depression of the 1930s by writing 25 per cent of our money out of existence with the stroke of a pen! Dr. Paul wants to bring all of our troops home now from Iraq and Afghistan and stop being the world’s policeman and protect our own borders. Ron Paul wants to downsize the government, and stop government spending. Dr. Paul is pro-life pro-freedom, and pro-Constitution. The U.S. Constitution is the mandate of the people. I veiw Mitt Romney, Newit Gingrich, and Rick Santorum as status quo candidates. The don’t intend to change anything for the better. What most people don’t seem to realise that Gingrich is a member of David Rockefeller’s Council Of Foreign Relations a one world govt. via the United Nations. I don’t understand why the American people don’t see quality when they see it, and Ron Paul has that quality! I want Ron Paul to be our next president in 2012.

      • Joe H

        karolyn,
        I hope you truly mean that as it is the only post from you I agree with!!!

      • Stuart Shepherd

        (OFFENSIVE WORDS REMOVED)- birth control (as birth control) is NOT a women’s health issue it is BIRTH CONTROL!! Dumb! There are legitimate medical uses of the medication (just like there are for cocaine and Vicodan). Birth control pills, when not used for various health-related issues (bleeding problems, irregularity, etc., etc.) actually CAUSE women’s health issues- a higher rate of ovarian cancer is just one of them! (OFFENSIVE WORDS REMOVED) why don’t you stop running your dumb mouth. The only intelligent thing you said was about Ron Paul.

        • Shirley

          Mr. Shepherd:

          Your comments put you in the same category as Rush Limbaugh! I doubt that you know the woman that you are calling offensive names and I KNOW that you should not call her offensive names as you did. You CAN disagree with her but not in this manner. Your name calling should be censored and you should be banned from this site. Shame on you!

      • GW

        Agreed!

    • mrbobl7388

      Standby one: Get ready for a brokered convention. Messenger boy for the elites, Henry Kissinger, related to the china gang that it would be so. They can’t decide who they want to run so a “White Knight” will ride in and solve the problem. Get ready for Jeb Bush to be nominated, and elected. Obama has just got all of the laws bypassed and a SUPER ELITE will finish us off. And the liberals are screaming about the election in Russia as being rigged. If it is, we sure as hell know where learned how to do it.

      • Tom W.

        Hey mrbobl7388, that’s some deep conspiracy type thinkin’ there! I LIKE IT!!!

      • GW

        Yeah, and our politicians keep screaming about making other countries “democratic.” Hog Wash!

    • Butch

      No way in Hell I would EVER vote for the flip flopping, philandering, lobbying, lying, fake conservative Gingrich. if you want REAL change, vote for Dr. Paul.

      • Tom W.

        I thought you were talkin’ about Mitt at first there Butch!

      • Mad Dog

        Yes, Butch, vote for Ron Paul (the only real fiscal conservative running) and then pray to God that it’s not too late. We had a chance in 2008 to avoid an extra 3-4 trillion dollars in additional debt; we could have already been on our way to TRUE recovery. But we blew it. Please, let’s not blow it again.

      • http://personalliberty.com Alondra

        Paul never was and is not conservative. He is despicable and dishonest old heck racist and unscrupulous hypocrite!

        Newt 2012!!!

        • Mad Dog

          Alondra, most people think that the most important issue in the 2012 elections is the economy, our debt and the federal budget. Surely, you’re not going to say that Ron Paul isn’t the most fiscally conservative of all the candidates – are you?

          You posted: “Paul never was and is not conservative. He is despicable and dishonest old heck racist and unscrupulous hypocrite! Newt 2012″.

          I must respectfully ask you to at least explain WHY you would say this? In fact, you really should provide us all with some fairly credible evidence. I’ll tell you what: you do this for me, and I’ll do the same for you.

      • Mad Dog

        @ Alondra – Yesterday as asked you to defend your very inappropriate, very ignorant statements about Ron Paul. As I suspected, you’ve been silent.

        Like so many ignorant liberals, you have no idea what conservatism is, nor would recognize an honest, quality statesman if he was sitting right in front of you. I cannot understand how you can be so blind to truth, so ignorant of common sense, and so anxious to demonstrate these short-comings to everyone reading this thread.

    • Corrine

      I have no idea who you are but I agree with you ! He is the best debater ! I really think B.O. wouldn’t want to debate him either ! I don’t care how much bagage he has….he’s a man…don’t they all !

    • restorefreedom

      How on earth could you pick Newt Gengrich over Ron Paul. If you think things are bad now he would put the final death nail into our country. Doesn’t anyone care about our freedoms and liberties? Please help save our country and vote for Ron Paul.

      • GW

        Agreed. Ron Paul is the only one who is expressing an interest in, and cherishing, our freedoms and liberty. The other politicians cherish the illegals, welfare dogs, and terrorists.

  • richard

    THE LIB’S COULD NOT TOUCH BREITBART WHEN HE WAS ALIVE,

    ONLY NOW WHEN HE IS GONE.

    VOTE OUT OBAMA AND HIS COMMUNIST RADICALS.

    GOD SAVE AMERICA,,,GOD BLESS AMERICA.

    • Tom W.

      Andrew Breitbart (What a who done it list that’ll be!!!), Tim Russert, coinsidence?!!

    • Joe H

      Richard,
      He was 45, died of natural causes, and just before he was said to have a big story. NATURAL CAUSES?????? I don’t think so!!!

    • GW

      If we listen to main stream media Ron Paul cannot beat flag-burning Obama and his anti-American, Anti-God freedom-destroying agenda.

  • Karolyn

    Any President worth his salt would have apologized over the Koran burnings. Had he not apologized, it would probably be even worse over there. Get over it!

    • Dolor

      Whenever Obama is caught, the answer always is: It could have been worse, worse than what? Our men have died because of his apology, that cannot be any worse.

    • castaway

      Karolyn what does the koran have to do with a hot,sweaty poo tang!

      • Karolyn

        You know, you’re a real creep. I guess you didn’t watch the whole video, because part of it was about Obama’s apology. You’re turning this discussion into a creey, disgusting display of your perversity.

      • Joe H

        Yeah, karolyn, he appologizes and what, six men die??? Yeah, I guess it could have been worse. Try telling those men’s families that!!! He should just pull all our troops out of afghanistan and let them fight it out to the bloody END!!! Same with iran, Let Isreal blow them away and MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS!!!!

    • Mad Dog

      No Karolyn, it’s different cultures. Apologies do NOT work politically or religiously in Islamic culture. Obama may have thought he was doing the right thing, but he was wrong — yet one more time he demonstrates his lack of experience and ability to lead or government this country.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        I have to agree Mad Dog. They were books, not lives. There are other copies. It was an “accident.”

        If their response was to kill people, we should have mowed them down, twenty Afgans for every American they killed. The tactic has worked many times over the centuries, most notably by the Nazis.

      • independant thinker

        I read in an article on NewsMax yesterday that the korans in question (5 I think)had already been defaced by the prisoners and that was why they had been collected. They were put in an office and mistakenly picked up as trash to be burned.

      • Joe H

        In another article, I read where one of their own Imams said that writting in the koran is blasphemy and the book is desecrated. He also said that one of the prescribed ways of disposing o the desecrated book is to BURN it!!! He appologised for doing the prescribed thing and as at least a former muslim, HE KNEW IT!!! For Gods sake, he studied at a muslim school for a number of years, he knows the proper procedures!!! It’s all an act with him!!!

      • KHM

        I agree with Mad Dog. The Korans (Q’uran) had been defaced by the detainees writng in them, something a Muslim is not supposed to do. The proper treatment for a Koran that has been defaced is to burn it. So this whole thing is a set-up. Muslims get inflamed when a non-Muslim does anything that they consider offensive. Yet they behead people, burn down churches with Christian worsipers inside ,do Christians act this way? No!

        • Mad Dog

          KHM is right. We are fighting a loosing battle (well actually a loosing war). Our foreign policies in the Middle East (and many other parts of the world) have been failing for decades and costing us billions of dollars and thousands of lives.

          Throughout history, the rules, tactics and science of war have constantly changed. This happened during our Revolutionary War – which worked to our benefit and enabled us to defeat the British. It happened again during WWII with the advent of nuclear bombs. Again it worked to our advantage and we were able to defeat the Japanese. Well cultures, rules, technology and economics have continued to change. But we are still fighting pretty much the same way; and we naively expect our enemies to do the same. Guess what? It’s failing.

          Ron Paul knows this and he’s desperately trying to get us to stop the insanity: Stop doing the same thing and expecting different results. Stop financing tomorrows enemies and terrorists. Stop financing the enemies of our ally, Israel (for every dollar we give Israel – we give $7 to their sworn enemies). Smart huh?

          Iran would love for us to get our panties up in a bunch about them “getting the bomb”. Right!! Does anyone really think that Iran would nuke Israel – which would also take out Palestine, Jordan and Lebanon. Syria and Iraq would also be directly affected. Depending on prevailing winds – Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Kuwait and even IRAN would suffer significantly from radioactive fallout. Furthermore, the entire world would condemn Iran for this aggression.

          But while we’re looking the other way – chasing their red herring – I guarantee you that they have another tactic far more effective and less damaging to other Muslim countries. Lately, we have been having great success with Drone attacks. It’s really pissing the Muslims off. Drones are relatively inexpensive. Can be operated remotely. Incredibly accurate. And generally more accepted by the rest of the world. Did I mention that they recently captured one of our Stealth Drones? Did I mention that I could build a drone in my garage – with stuff from Ace and Radio Shack – that could attack with accuracy a target hundreds of miles away. Don’t you think Muslim terrorists would love to bomb us and Israel without blowing themselves up at the same time (despite the 99 virgin thing)?

          Both the US and Israel have anti-ballistic capabilities to neutralize any nuclear rockets from Iran. But we don’t have anything that would intercept and neutralize 20 Drones packed with any number of deadly toxic gases. Once again, we’ve misdiagnosed the problem: Nukes in Iran is but a symptom – it is not the problem. Burning Q’urans is but a symptom. Executing Christian Ministers in Iran is but a symptom. Kidnapping US Ambassadors in Egypt is but a symptom.

          We need a President that can not only identify, but can begin to address the actual problems.

    • Cobrajohn

      Karolyn is right about one thing, the discourse on this topic is moving to, to much of a personal nature. The truth about this is RU-486 is a baby killing pill they want to use as contraception. It is killing a baby. No matter how you phrase it, the evil ones want to remove life so they don’t have to deal with it! And this pill is expensive. So lets get paid for having sex and not have to deal with the ultimate penalty for unplanned sex preventative measures, that might be to uncomfortable or not as satisfying. Its about lack of moral values. Both men and women will ultimately be held responsible. Oh, to be in the hands of an angry God!

      • Tom W.

        She’s never been right about anything Cobrajohn!!!

        Hebrews 10:31 (KJV)
        “It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

      • Marlene

        So, if this woman wants to have random sex without paying the piper, why doesn’t she have her doctor prescribe a hysterectomy? Last I heard, insurance companies pay for the one that a doctor recommends and have as far back as 1963 when my tubes ruptured and I had to have one to save my life. With a total hysterctomy, she can pursue all the sex she wants and have a career in law without the baggage of raising a child and it wouldn’t cost the taxpayers or Georgetown a penny. All she pays is for her premium and insurance co-pay. The benifit to her is that she can be a free-wheeling attorney without being labeled a ‘slut’.

    • Tom W.

      President Karlolyn would have, NO DOUBT!!! Was it stupid? Yes it was freakin’ ignorant!!! But the president shouldn’t have apologized, maybe some field commander over there. If Islamic law called for the Qurans to be destroyed, it shold’ve been carried out by a muslim cleric! After thinking about building them a $750K soccer field at Guantanamo, ypu’d think we’d be a little more sensitive to atrosities such as burning thier holy book which commands them to either cvonvert or kill us!!!

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        I might have some Koran toilet paper made up so I can wipe my butt with it.

        I also plan to print up some Constitution toilet paper and send a roll to every US Senator and House Representative, along with a note letting them know that now they really can wipe their butts with our Constitution. I’ll have them wrapped with the “United States Government” brand name on the packaging.

    • http://yahoo Buck

      Karolyn, You need to take a break in the political issues as you are what is wrong with this country today with your liberal comments.

    • eddie47d

      That’s nothing Karolyn compared to Castaways comments yesterday. He’d make a heavy duty warmonger blush with embarrassment.

    • Corrine

      Karolyn !?!?! Really !?!?!?

      B.O. should NOT have apologized ! That was the worse thing he could have done….and being a muslim he knows better….he just makes things worst for us….he is out to destroy us….WAKE UP !

    • FireMall

      Yep; Mighty noble & humble that Ohama had the honor & integrity to apologize for an Intentional act that was meant solely to cause chaos and completely dismantle what our soldiers have been fighting & dying for.
      I am reasonably certain that you & your’s have not , or will ever admit, that every so called Diplomatic act Obama has done to date has done nothing but “Intentionally” Empower the Arab Springers and cost American lives. No biggy Huh ??

      All these events are for the sole purpose of furthering the Traitor’s excuses to leave Afghan sooner /asap so the Arab Springers will have one more nation under Islamic control.
      As for leaving Afghan sooner than Obama has told the enemy we will, So be it, I’m all for it.

      Leave all Mid east countries asap [As Ron Paul says] and let the Idiots over in the Mid East do as they have been doing for centuries
      . Fight over nothing and kill each other off till there is no longer any reason for any nation to interfere , support, & Fund their 9th grade school yard in the name of Allah BS.

      Yep; I also have no doubt that you & your’s will have a Liberalized excuse for what most see as fact, and Obama will still be your hero regardless if he is constantly showing his true colors as / of being the Enemy Within.

    • GW

      Salt, eh? Did that flag-burning Obama apologize for the burning of OUR Bibles over there?

      • Ronald R. Johnson

        Obama can’t stay off his knees for one reason or another. And he’s always on his knees to some Muslim government and as to worth his salt, the bum is not worth two cent wiping paper but twice as worthless!

  • jerry1944

    This girl looks like a total slut and dont sound like she has time for studying. but even said why should othere pay her sex bill any more than her drug habit if she has one Just think this slut is going to be in law makeing laws and defending otheres like her What will become of our country with lawyer like that Hope she isnt a calt.

    • Karolyn

      What are you 100 years old to be talking like that? Just because somebody’s on birth control does not mean they’re having sex with every Tom, Dick or Harry. People like you just love jumping on the bandwagon, don’t you? You would love to force your morality on eveyone. Kinda sounds like the Muslim philosophy.

      • Butch

        Karolyn, YOU are the hypocrite here. instead of keeping her skanky legs closed or just getting free condoms from one of the many outlets there are for them, fascists like YOU want us to flip the bill for her disgusting promiscuity. that is YOU forcing yr ignorant beliefs on US AND making US pay for it to boot!

      • Warrior

        Uh, I do beleive ms.puke threw the “morality” door wide open for everyone to see!

        It astounds me that America has reached a stage whereas the “progressives” would convince a “prop” to testify before congress that she and her peers had difficult times paying for contraceptives at a $60K/yr cost of tuition institution. The country is faced with over $16 tril in debt and this is the diversion issue the “progressives” want to bring to the forefront?

        Every “progressive” running for reelection this year must be identified and rejected by the voters. The frickin house is burning down and they’re out shopping for new drapes.

      • Tom W.

        Warrior, I like the way you think!

      • M.M

        No Karolyn, I am a protestant, healthy fun loving old woman that has lived a very good life, I minded my own business and never bothered anyone, I have a lot of friends and was always decent and loved doing things for people. I do not push my life on anyone, I’m not a muslin, I was born a white America and have always lived by Gods word and abided by the constitution so don’t put me into the same box with Obama, wouldn’t change my life for anything, and I have NOTHINg to ever be ashamed of in my past, so there your the one that acts like a loose loon-a tick!

      • JUKEBOX

        You are wrong about the Muslim philosopy. Under Sharia law, she would be executed in short order, based on her testimony before Congress.

    • mark hammer

      I don’t know, I think I’d throw her a bone. I’m trying to imagine her on all fours… cleaning the toilet of course, or leaned over with her law book in hand whilst I cross examine her.

      of course, I’m a sexist pig, however, I do draw the line. I can’t imagine Karolyn in any erotic pose with that incessant nagging and carping and arguing. Maybe…if I could use a gag…?

      • Tom W.

        If you could, you’d be a lot sicker puppy than you already are! The suggestion was enough to make me go lose my breakfast!!! Thanks mark, at least you’re honest!

      • Warrior

        Mark, are you calling K’s “BLUFF”? I can’t tell!

      • Joe H

        Mark,
        up on the other thread, under natural health, they have a natural cure for that weak stomach!!! HAHA!!!

    • castaway

      Well Jerry maybe she can help you lower your attorney’s fees.

    • Karolyn

      marc – I just bet your wife’s a sweet little thing that just does your bidding. Poor thing! Men like you are what gives your sex a bad name! Do you think you’re posting on a men-only site here? It sure sounds like it, and I hope Bob Livingston catches up with you.

      • Tom W.

        And creatures like you give your spicies a bad name!!!

    • eddie47d

      No where did this woman “look like a total slut” as Jerry 1944 implied. That could be anyone’s daughter up there so debate the issue and stop making unflattering remarks. If she had sex for money then that could change the subject because then the free condom issue might have relevancy in the debate. Now no such thing has happened. Not to get off the subject but in war time “captured” women are forced into prostitution for survival or die. So,would they be sluts to save themselves? Now back to the main issue where she said it cost $3,000 which is absurd since birth control pills are generally very inexpensive. She should be demanding that the men she has sex with to cover the costs or take some responsibility for the encounter. I also see nothing wrong with free condoms to prevent STD’s which can be an even bigger problem.

      • JUKEBOX

        Eddie, would you be proud of this young woman making a spectacle of herself before Congress about her sex life, if she were your daughter? Obama believes that any parent should be proud of a daughter like her. I wonder if he would feel the same about his kids.

      • eddie47d

        That depends in how she would present herself but I wouldn’t encourage her to be too bold about it. Stand up for her rights but don’t be too explicit. My daughter has two wonderful children so she wouldn’t be into sex out of marriage or any other relationship before marriage.

    • GW

      It’s just more of our government rulers taking over our lives and perpetuating the theme that the individual citizen is not responsible for oneself. While they dole out our tax dollars to keep providing welfare for all those who have one baby after another for us to support, we are relinquishing our freedom to the libs and the government subversives like OBAMA.

      • Shirley

        I have the solution! I have seen the light! If the problem is all these women having one baby after another and expecting you to help pay for their care, which you certainly don’t want to do. Why not support birth control for all women who want it? Then there would be no little ‘welfare’ babies ‘on the dole’ AND no need for abortions. Birth control is cheaper than the cost of all of these unwanted children. Now that problem is solved!

  • dale

    if she cannot afford her own brith control ,she should just raise her price????

    • Tom W.

      Good point dale!

      • Shirley

        Ronald,
        You are disgusting! Because I disagree with you, you resort to name calling and suggesting that I am morally loose and not a Christian. You do not know me and I am not the topic of discussion. However, discussion is over with me. I will not take your low road. Your paranoia and closed mindedness have apparently rendered you incapable of having a rational discussion.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Shirley,

          Just so you know; several other comments by RRJ directed at you and Karolyn were deleted, and his comments now automatically go to moderation where they are screened before being posted.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • Shirley

            Bob,
            Thank you!
            Shirley

    • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

      lol!

  • merrill d trone

    An apology if viewed as a sign of weakness from the Muslim world…you only make it worse when you say Sorrrrry!! Yet-the books should have been handled in a different manner by one of their own Imam.

    • FreedomFighter

      Yes used as toilet paper, then composted and used to grow feed for pigs.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Tom W.

        A man after my own heart!

    • eddie47d

      Do you have one Tom!

      • Joe H

        Yes, eddie, he’s got one just like you! the difference is, his isn’t rotted and decayed like yours!!!

      • eddie47d

        Your a sick puppy Joe H.

      • Joe H

        no, eddie, not sick, just returning what I’ve gotten from YOU over the last tw0o years!!

  • DocVenture

    Obama, the ultimate apologist, apologizes over the destruction of mutilated Koran (they had been written in by Afghan prisoners, giving instructions to one another), but doesn’t demand that Iran halt the execution order of a Christian minister who converted from Islam many years ago. Where is the outrage over Church bombings in Egypt and other locations in Africa? Oh, I see, the Christians can go ahead and take one for the team, but Muslims have to be “catered” to. Karolyn, you need to take a hard look at what is going on here. I don’t think the average American has a clue what we are really dealing with in Iran. These people want to bring about the end of time, and are willing to nuke almost anyone to do it! You can’t reason with these people, yet Obama still tries to. This nation is headed down the tubes quickly, and it started when they threw God out of schools, government buildings, etc. all in the name of freedom (from) of religion!

    The Liberals in this country just are so happy to live and let live, that we will all be subjugated and be forced to convert to Islam. Wake up!

    • castaway

      You sure said a mouthful there. Right on!

    • Karolyn

      God didn’t get “thrown out of” the schools. That’s a ridiculous thing to say. Maybe prayer got thrown out, but God is still everywhere he/she/it’s been all along. When kids are properly raised, they shouldn’t need to be praying in school to grow up to be good citizens. The attitude and hatred of the people of the world is what is screwing everything up. What those kids are subjected to in the world is what’s screwing them up.

      • mark smith

        Karolyn, your mindset is what’s wrong with our country.

      • Karolyn

        Mark – If more people had my mindset, there would be no war and everybody would get along.

      • Waldo

        Like I said BLOND ROOTS, I feel sorry for Ron Paul……………..

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Stop prevaricating Karolyn, by your posts it appears that you do not or would not get along with the majority of the posters be they male or female, Libertarian or Conservative or Christian or Jew.

      • Karolyn

        Nadzieja – Well, I doubt I would get along with you, even though I have been known through my whole life as the person who gets along with everybody.

      • T.E.

        …Jesus prayed to His Father, NOT some she or it, you just don’t get it do you? take your PC and shove it up your sorry a@@.

        If you started keeping track, there are a LOT of people here that are sick of your spewing, off track mind set.

        But, please continue to opinionate us to death…..

      • Tom W.

        Well it sure is refreshing to know it’s not just me.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        God is a he. His name is in the masculine in the Hebrew text, as it also is in the New Testament Greek. As it was also in the Latin, which was translated from the Hebrew and the Greek. God is a he in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

      • Karolyn

        Alex – Depends on one’s concept of God.

      • Karolyn

        T.E. – How very Christian of you. I respect your beliefs. Why can’t you respect others’?

      • http://yahoo Buck

        Hey K. give it up trying to convince everyone that you are in control, you have put a label on yourself as a very very liberal and it is clear you are a Obozo lever. Get a life.

      • Opal the Gem

        Buck, I think you meant “lover” not “lever” but lever works too cause she is trying to “lever” her viewpoint into our beliefs by force.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        No K, if we’re talking about the God, as spoken of in the Bible and the Koran, it’s a he. No one is entitled to an opinion. HE is called a he.

        If you have some other god in mind, then make it known. The Jewish, Christian, Islamic God is a male in every sense of the word. Even had a couple of wives.

      • Karolyn

        Alex, My concept of God is a Universal Intelligence that we are all a part of and has no specific delineation. It is not the God of the Bible, although there are those whose translation/interpretation would lend itself to the view I hold.

        • Mad Dog

          Once again, Karolyn, we agree: “… a Universal Intelligence that we are all a part of and has no specific delineation. It is not the God of any “man-made” religion, although there are those whose translation/interpretation would lend itself to the view I hold”.

          How arrogant to assume that God would be limited to one gender or the other. I cannot think of a more appropriate definition than “a Universal Intelligence”. Not just in a planetary sense (though I believe that is true as well), but in an sense that incorporates all matter: organic and non, living and dead, future and past. OH EXCEPT only if he’s male?

          Laughable.

      • JUKEBOX

        Karolyn evidently doesn’t realize that most Muslims are taught to hate anyone who is not a Muslim from infancy.

    • mark smith

      AMEN!

    • Warrior

      Blue shirts or brown shirts, what’s the difference?

      http://www.wnd.com/?p=136767

      • http://personalliberty.com Alondra

        Warrior, NONE difference.

        God bless Tea Partiers and Newt!

        • Mad Dog

          I’m waiting Alondra … I’ll accept any intelligent statement, any proof of the crap you’ve been spewing.

    • eddie47d

      What can be said DOC We have Americans who want to kill all the Muslims in America and even around the world. In Muslim countries they have the same assorted bunch who want to kill all foreigners or Christians. There will always be those who will hate someone else and they will always find others who will act upon that hatred.

      • Opal the Gem

        “What can be said DOC We have Americans who want to kill all the Muslims in America and even around the world.”

        Proof eddie. Give us some specific proof or links proving your statement.

      • eddie47d

        It’s said on this site each and every week Opal. Please pay attention!

      • Opal the Gem

        Since I have never read a comment that said “kill all muslims” and you will not post proof of your claim it is logical to conclude that “fact” like the rest of your “facts” exist only in your imagination.

    • GW

      Well, that is the plan in their “Holy Book.”

  • mark smith

    I am an alcoholic and I want the taxpayers to pay for my new liver because I like to party. Make sense people? It’s time people take personal and financial responsibility for your own free choice actions. Get a grip people!

    • Mort

      I am an alcoholic, and a cigarette addict. I am having a difficult ime affording my ‘uncontrollable’ habits. Therefore it is the reponsibility of the government, and the taxpayers, to provide me my ‘substances’ at no cost to me. Next year I may get hooked on cocaine. I will expect, nay, DEMAND, the same support.

      • GW

        You have stated it quite well. And by doing so, our Rulers make all receivers their subjects.

  • Karolyn

    Boy, men just love to come out in force to berate women for something that they have done themselves. (and it appears to be all men posting about this.) It’s OK for a man to sleep with anything on two legs, but if a woman wants to protect herself from getting pregnant, even if she only has one partner, she becomes a slut. Nobody knows how many men she slept with. She may even be monogamous. Why is everybody attacking her??? Yeah, attack the issue, but why the personal attacks. Jumping on the Rush Limbaugh bandwagon? So glad to see his sponsors deserting his sorry a-s!

    • FreedomFighter

      Men are not asking anyone to pay for there protection, K. — Real men, buy there own.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • castaway

      I personally commed Rush for his comment, but his yellow belly, no spine sponsers are jumping ship because of the backlash they think is coming, instead standing their ground.

      I have known a lot of women in my time,and if they had one dick there were 20 more at least. Once the word gets out the boys come by the car load and line up from her door to the end of the block like a dog smelling another in heat.LOL So, do not be too hard on Rush, as he knows the score like a lot other men. She is a slut, get over it, and let her pay for pills and rain coats out of her pocket.

      • Karolyn

        Just another disgusting pig to add to the list! You guys sound like you were born in the 1800s! Of course, I had heard that that was the way men talk when they get together – just never gave it much thought.

      • Corrine

        castaway….i AGREE WITH YOU ! Rush was right in what he said ! This girl wants to do the “deed”, her and only her should pay for it ! I love jewlery, I go crazy when I can’t get the ring or necklace I want..(.and have to take my medication) but hey if I could get someone to pay for the ring or necklace, I wouldn’t have to take my medication ?!?!?!

      • eddie47d

        If Castaway has known alot of woman in his time then wouldn’t he then be the slut? Why is there such a gender difference in labeling people and why do men get a free ride when they whore around.

      • M.M

        Eddie 47d, We had nothing to say about the difference between men’s needs and women’s decency, it was put into nature, even animals have the same approch, they grab it any where they can get it, it’s up to the female to keep here dignity, the male has no dignity to protect I guess, we were all made that way since the beginning of time and there was a reason for that, it’s up to the female to keep nature in line mostly! Right? Since women have become so loose this is what has happened.

        • KT

          So you probably think the muslims have it right. Cover up the women from head to toe becuse men are savage animals who are not expected to use self-restraint. Stone any woman who is sexually assaulted. After all, she has dishonored her fathers and brothers, who can do whatever the hell they want.

          One question: How can you claim such hatred for muslims when you share so many of their views?

      • Karolyn

        So, M.M. you’re saying that men have no self control? That God made them to grab what they want without thought? I can’t believe you are a woman! That sure does sound like the Muslim philosophy to me!

    • Sirian

      It’s been mentioned several times before Karolyn, the issue is really not how often she is thrashing about in bed enjoying a celebration of orgasm for the A+ she just got on an exam. The main issue is the pronounce manner in which she is being used and she is obviously dumb enough to not realize it. Aren’t “sluts” commonly not overly bright? Pelosi was in such good spirits with every pre-planned word she heard coming out of that girls mouth now wasn’t she? Oh that poor baby, she has been treated like such a foul person that that is why Obummer had to give her a call and give her a sweet “pat on the back”. It’s a set up Karolyn, she is nothing more than another useful idiot, another easy and convenient puppet. And they pleasurably turn on anyone – Rush or otherwise – that counters this escapade of power grabs, bit by bit by bit. This is but another way of pushing the socialist/communist agenda that Obummer and his associates are wielding quite openly. This is not about the “supposed” women’s rights to contraception – please, any woman with a lick of sense already knows that what she needs, what she’s whining about, is freely available at any Planned Parenthood, which they support to the hilt. But the push to implement, coercively via mandates that are looming more and more right in front of you, a further governmental takeover of peoples rights – religious, civil etc. much more than you obviously realize. Why can’t you see the main subversive intent behind all of this? Forget about the girl, look at the whole picture and how this girl has been used as another piece of the puzzle, not just a down trodden piece of azz.

      • Karolyn

        OMG! I GET IT! I am just po’d at all the disgusting filth going around about her – OR ANY WOMAN for that matter! You may have seen that I work for a domestic and sexual assault organization. Working on the sexual assault side, I have done quite a bit of study over the past year and a half. This type of talk only serves to help keep our country on top of the list of crimes against women. I look at the bigger picture – the lack of respect for women in general that goes on. Just look at what was thrown my way because I voiced an opinion. THAT is why the rape rate is so high in this country. Women are still objectified and at the lower rung of the ladder in this man’s world.

      • Warrior

        K has to perform double duty today because edduh has Saturday “jug” again. LMAO.

      • Sirian

        That is the problem Karolyn, you “work for a domestic and sexual assault organization”. This is why you have developed such a very narrow point of view in relation to this. It is understandable as to why it may seem as such a prominent issue to you but to not step out of the box, stand back and look at the whole picture, not just one sliver of it, you will never see what’s actually being done. You won’t see how they are twisting this and that to their advantage – this girl just happens to be nothing more than that. Until you step out of your box and look at it from a distance you’ll never see what’s being pulled on not only you but millions upon millions more.

      • Karolyn

        Sirian – The opinions I hold I have had for a long time, and I do step back and look at the big picture, which even strengthens my views. Working in the fiels has only opened up my eyes to ever more of the big picture.

      • eddie47d

        Didn’t Rush “twist it to his agenda”? Didn’t you Sirian in attempting to side with potty mouth Rush?

      • Marlene

        Your mention of “every pre-planned word” reminds me of the Liberals use of dumpster-diving bimbos that they paid off to smear Hearman Cain. Liberals ate that malarkey up as much as they did when the same tactics were used against Palin. It makes me wonder if this gal was pre-paid to stand against Cain and had to be used in some other manner after he suspended his run for office. I wonder how much of a bargain her appearance for free condoms, etc., was?

      • Sirian

        eddie47,
        Re-read what I said. As soon as you can see the point I made instead of jumping on a minor notation of Rush, used as an example only, then we’ll discuss this. I was not twisting anything to Rush’s “agenda”. Truth is an agenda? Again, read it once more and try to put a touch of thought to it.

      • Sirian

        Marlene,
        You’re right – it doesn’t take much “malarkey” tossed out before the liberals flip into a feeding frenzy. Just like sharks, they go totally berserk and will stop at nothing to get their share of the prize if there’s any counter thoughts, statements made to what they’ve done.

    • Tom W.

      (offensive comment removed)

      • eddie47d

        That is apparently how Tom likes his women! Willing and ready!

    • Joe H

      karolyn,
      Had you some modecum of reading comprehension, you would know above the poster MM, I think, told you she was an older woman. See what happens when you ASSUME????

    • GW

      I doubt advertizers will abandon Rush for keeping to the truth. Who cares how many men that woman had sex with? It’s her own choice to follow God’s commands or not. It’s not the public’s responsibility to support her libido issues.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Rssllgtrby Russell Bennett

    I bet this girl is being paid to do this. It is part of the campain against the church, Would you go on nation wide TV and say what she said.I bet she has a line of guys at her room when she gets back to school. If she went to the local Health Dept she can get free birth control pills but that would solve her problem with out causing any trouble for the church which seems to be the real goal.

    • Tom W.

      To try and quell the controversy that the Obama administration had stirred up by taking on the Catholic Church about their birth control beliefs. Could you think of a better stooge?! A professional (Pun Intended Karlolyn!) young woman studying law at one of the nation’s finest law schools which just so happens to be at one of the country’s most prestigious Catholic universities?!! They wouldn’t try to pull something like that would they?!! NAWWW!

    • GW

      Her sexual encouters are not the responsibility of our taxpayer funded Health Department.

      • Ronald R. Johnson

        She’s working for Obama to distract us from $5.00 a gal. gas, blocking states from enforcing laws they passed that he does not like and will block all the illegals we will have to support and who along with so many Muslims will vote for him again and it also is meant to distract us from the secret gun running he allowed Eric Holder on his orders so he can soon take guns from all honest citizens so only Muslim,illegals and other assorted criminals will have guns! Back to the Fluke woman, she knew the schools policy long before Obama sent her there to force the catholic church give up it’s beliefs in favor of his as most rulers do! It’s a shame he does not know the difference between Presidents and RULERS!

  • dan

    Now that we know the mating habits of potential ambulance chasers/whores and what
    Daddy Flukes little girl has been gettin’ busy with instead of studies…
    and Karolyns expertise on the subject of sluts and the bottom of barrels
    and what the religion of love and tolerance (what WILL they do when they’re burning in hell-fire)is outraged about now…
    perhaps we can get to the business of global climate change (spring)

    • Tom W.

      ou’re not just being sarcastic are you now dan?! I’ll holla’ at y’all latta’, I’m going to go out and play in the yard. See ya!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000136441602 Chuck Holmes

    The last I heard on a news report was that this somehow related to birth control pills that are used in the treatment of cancer. It would be nice to hear the entire testimony. Something just doesn’t seem to jive there.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The disclaimers for the pills are long and laborious. As is said on the disclaimer forms that the pills and dosages work differently on different women and it is at the womens’ doctor discretion that the benefits outweigh the risks.

      • GW

        Every dangerous pharmaceutical carries the “one-size-fits-all” statement that the doctor considers the benefits outweight the side effects. They all get a kickback from every Rx they write. Getting you hooked on one of them requires that they get you hooked on another and another to try to offset the harm done by the previous ones. However, the issue remains the same: It’s not the taxpayer’s responsibility to foot the bill for the sexual encounters of anyone.,

    • JUKEBOX

      If anyone would care to read Suzanne Somers’ book, “KNOCKOUT”, she blames being on birth control pills for over twenty years for her cancer problems.

      • GW

        I am convinced that all the toxins we put into our bodies are the culprits for all disease. Nearly all food comes with dyes that are from carmine/colchinil insects that causes ADHD and is being banned in Europe. Finally, our corrupt FDA is “investigating” it. All our produce is bathed in toxic chemicals. Our ground meat is washed with a toxic chemical to kill the E-coli (see Jamie Oliver, chef). Now some of the fast food chains have abandoned it. The issue is, however, that taxpayers should not be compelled to pay for others’ sexual encounters.

  • castaway

    I keep hearing women complaining they do not want to take the pill anymore, because of all the health risks. Which tells me this girls real priority. Oink OInk!

  • James Hays

    If they’re going to subsidize female college student’s contraceptives, then why shouldn’t it be equally viable that the American taxpayers pay for male student’s condoms? We’re heading into taxpayer hell.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      That is the intent.

    • GW

      Where have you been? My grandson, many years ago, was handed out a condom in Jr. High. Who paid for that???

  • FreedomFighter

    Was Breitbart Obama’s First Victim Under NDAA?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUQPtt_svf8&feature=uploademail

    Its all coming out, Obama is a fake — NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Sirian

      FF,
      There’s no way of knowing for sure – absolutely for sure – if that may be. Lord I pray it isn’t but until they have completed an autopsy it will remain in open “conspiracy” territory. Oh yes, I fully agree, Obummer isn’t qualified/eligible to be our Prez – no way! That has merely been another political move by those who wish to destroy our country. So far, they’ve been doing way, way, way to well!!

      • FreedomFighter

        Did NDAA go into effect March 1, then Mr. B dies, just b4 exposing Obama…whats the chance?

        Now the vids are not being released,,,as planned.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Sirian

        Oh sure it all seems very suspicious. NDAA going into effect and then Brietbart dying – it most certainly does open a suspicion level well worthy of it. But until results of the autopsy come in (facts man, just the facts) we won’t know for sure as to how he died. So, sit tight FF, those vids will, one way or another, finally come out and it’s not going to be overly helpful to Obummer. THANK GOD!

      • Joe H

        Sirian,
        the problem is, will the tapes come out before or AFTER Odumberer is out of office???

    • eddie47d

      Jones makes assumptions and peddles them as fact. That is what these folks do. You also take his assumptions as fact and even insist on it. That video will be released whether Breitbart is around or not. Saying someone killed him as Jones did is absurd until the facts are out.

      • FreedomFighter

        Nobody said it Eddie, but we do have our suspicions.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • GW

        Can youi seriouisly believe the truth will be published about his autopsy?

  • castaway

    Yes Karolyn us men are just that way,and don’t mind a freebee as long as her looks won’t stop a freight train dead on its tracks. You must remember the girls all look good at closing time. LOL However (here we go) when us men take a woman for a wife, we do not want the local sexual care giver. We don’t want a “creepy crawly environment”. I will let Karolyn tell us what we look for in a wife.

    • eddie47d

      Ask Tom he has admitted to being around the block a few times!

      • Joe H

        And eddie has just admitted he was a virgin at marriage!!! I CAN believe it, though!!! He kinda reminds me of that movie the 40 year old virgin.

  • Beverly Teboe

    Karolyn writes:

    I don’t understand the premise of having the college pay for it, though. My point is why should this girl be attacked for having safe sex?

    Newsflash for Karolyn – taking the pill does not protect you from any venereal disease. The only options for safe sex are condoms or abstinence. The pill only helps to prevent pregnancy and even that is not 100%. I just don’t understand when having a baby became a disease.

    • Karolyn

      Nobody ever said having a baby was a disease, but it is a women’s health issue.

      • s c

        Ye gods, I get it. K, you are one of those poor souls who will do ANYTHING to prove that you “care.” You wlll do anything or say anything to prove to someone (somewhere) that guilt and politics trump common sense. In the process, all you do is prove that you can be manipulated and that you can be your own worst enemy.
        K, the polite word for such people is “lemming.” Would you have the human race devolve to “prove” that people “care” about each other? You are infrickingcredible, K. Get help. Now, while help is available, and the mental patients aren’t in charge of the hospital – yet.

      • Beverly Teboe

        Karolyn, it is not a women’s health issue any more than it is a man’s health issue. It takes two to tango. Quit trying to make it be about something it isn’t. It’s about forcing other people to pay for something that isn’t even medically necessary. I have a chronic illness called Rheumatoid Arthritis. I don’t get any help from anyone to pay for my meds. I think that’s kind of unfair, don’t you? If people want to have sex, and I’m sure they do, then they need to figure out whether they want to catch a disease or have a baby. If they can’t do that, then perhaps they shouldn’t have sex. But either way it’s their responsibility, not mine.

      • Sirian

        Karolyn,
        In Detail, please explain to all of we poor unseeing, uncaring people what the “WOMENS HEALTH ISSUE” is. It has been destroying women for eons presumedly – correct? No, having a baby isn’t a disease or then again, will it be slated as such in the not so distant future? Can you explain that one please – I’m overly concerned. :(

      • Karolyn

        ANYTHING that has to do with the condition of one’s body is a health issue! What is not understandable about that??

      • Sirian

        You refuse to open your eyes Karolyn, such a shame.

      • Karolyn

        Right back at’cha, Sirian.

      • eddie47d

        On thing for certain SC Doesn’t Care and never has and hopefully she put herself out with the morning garbage. SC is always the one with the ravaged mind and would need a whole ward to herself at the local Institution.

      • Joe H

        Of ALL the people here, eddie, I find that very RICH comming from YOU eddie!!!! MAN!!! Are you ever lame!!!

      • eddie47d

        Maybe you could share a ward with her Joe!

      • Joe H

        Nah, eddie!!! I wouldn’t take a chance of being THAT close to YOU any more than sc would!!!

    • GW

      I’m not aware she was attacked for “safe sex.” The issue is that she has the responsibility to pay for her own “safety.”

  • Bryon Harrelson

    She has got real mental problems,without some kind of surgery there’s only 1 way to be 100% sure that you won’t get pregnant and that’s to not be involved in sex,or either to only have oral sex.

  • bsfurg

    Sarah Paling was runing for VP and Bill Maher called her a C… and a few other things and Obama and the Demowits ignored it… A college girl goes b efore congress and admit she wants money for birth control so she can have more sex and Obama and the Demowits went overboard to insure her they would do there best to see that she gets it…What is wrong with this? Rush called this girl a slut and Obama called her and apologized and the congress went crazy… . Why was Sarah ignored by Obama and our (marvelous) congress.

    • Karen H in MN

      bsfurg—maaaaaybe because Palin iIS a coniving, c— Obama wasn’t president then so he couldn’t call her. She had said so many vile things like you people here do about P. Obama that why would he call her?! Do you call your enemies. He was always courteous to her. The men on here by nature must be PIGS because they have not one ounce of maturity in their statements, and the only things out of their mouths are what they must practice saying to their girlfriends, or sister, mother?? Ask any one of them if they were ever on the pill. Ask them why, at what age, and was it to have sex, sex, sex, or was it for medical reasons. Or was it to avoid prgnancy WHICH YOU GUYS CAN RUN AWAY FROM…that baby doesn’t grow in your uterus. Those that want for sperm to be classified a person are out of their ever-lovin minds! Think of all the “babies” or “persons” that get ejaculated into a palm, or a towel or whatever method. The men have no repercussions from killing all of those “babies” or “persons”. Why is that? But women are always villified.

      • Libertytrain

        Karen H – extreme lib left says:”bsfurg—maaaaaybe because Palin iIS a coniving, c— ”

        Yep, she certainly has proved to us by her fine example what kind of mouths the libs have…..

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Hey Karen, do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Just because Sarah is not an evil, mean-spirited, man-hating, feminist-douche, like you, should not be cause for such name-calling! I know i know, i’m mean spirited, i’m a bully, boo hoo hoo, mommy, they’re calling me names again, and i don’t know why….waaaaaaa….waaaa….

      • Libertytrain

        Jay – I’m still shocked – I’ve not seen even the tackiest male use that word on this site to date. and a “genteel” leftist lib tosses it out of her potty mouth so easily it must be part of her foul uncouth sleazy regular verbage.. how filthy of her.

      • Joe H

        Libertytrain,
        THIS is why I don’t think karen is over twenty five!!! she uses certain vernaculars that a lady od just under 60 years old would not consider using!!!

      • GW

        It’s easy to avoid pregnancy———and all without the funding of the taxpayer.

  • BARBARA

    Karolyn, I see you have many post, and you still have missed the point. You have managed to insult anyone who tries to explain it to you, like a true liberal. Why should the cost of your birth control be paid for by someone else? It is not free, be it taxpayers, or insurance companies being forced to foot the bill. The insurance companies will simply pass the cost on to the policy holders. There has always been access to birth control, no one is trying to take it away, as this administration, the democrats. and the liberal media is lying about. The MANDATE by this government is the problem. Insurance companies can offer the provisions in a policy that those who want it can pay for it. That is the fair way to do it. Those who want birth control should pay for it themselves. This is just another red herring put out by this corrupt administration to take the focus off the FAILURES of this president. Do not allow them to distract us. The Real problem is this president and his socialist polices. BTW, Ron Paul does not agree with anything you have posted here. Are you a woman? better yet, are you a person or just one the the obama internet droons?

    • Karolyn

      I have NOT missed the point. I just believe that, as a written prescription medicine, birth control pills should be covered by health insurance. As far as the Catholic Church and its doctrine goes, I think they should move into the 21st century. I HAVE INSULTED PEOPLE?? Did you even read what they wrote? I insulted no one, although I did call a spade a spade. My main point throughout this discussion has been that this woman should not be held up to ridicule and denigration because of a stand she has taken. NO ONE SHOULD!

      • Joe H

        karolyn,
        I think your idiotic sense of religeon and what God is is goofy er than heck and you need to change the way you think!!! There, karolyn, did you like that??? that is the same thing you just told the Catholic church of their beliefs!! From now on, EVERY time I read a post from you about what you believe, I’m going to post something like that. You OBVIOUSLY think it is alright if YOU do it!!!

      • GW

        Perhaps you will eventually comprehend that it’s not anyone else’s responsibility to pay for her libido. Insurance costs are high for all of us without adding that cost.

        • Shirley

          To Karolyn:
          We are wasting our time and our efforts on GW and some others of these men who appear to think that if Georgetown provides health insurance which covers birth control for women that somehow the American taxpayer will be paying for it. They seem to think that every time a woman has sex she pops a pill to prevent contraception. They do not understand that birth control treatment covers many female reproductive problems. For some reason, they have Rushed to judgement on this young woman, and since they can read minds, evidence, logic, information and compassion seem to go zipping over their heads. When all else fails some resort to name-calling. I leave them to rail on.

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            Shirley and Karolyn don’t seem to understand that the Catholic Church nor any other Church should not be required to pay for something to allow Fluke, Shirley,Karolyn or any one else to screw around! Fluke was sent there by Obama to attack the catholic church for turning [ at last ] on him and to distract us from $5.00 gas and other problems!
            Fluke also knew about them not paying for what wants long before she enrolled there, she was there to do Obama’s nasty work for him! Everyone should be allowed help with medication needed for a real Medical problem, with proof from a real doctor that it is needed for a real medical problem and not for birth control and not by a government appointed person or any one who hates Christian Churches as Obama does!
            Again Shirley, Karolyn if you and your kind of thinkers want to play and the guys you play with wont buy their own then buy them for them or find someone else to play with, can’t you at least be that smart???

  • css

    I don’t think this has anything to do with contraceptives. It has everything to do with progressives taking over every aspect of American citizen’s lives and sleaze bag Obama will stop at nothing to get his agendas accepted and passed i.e. Buffet’s secretary.

    If it’s truly about contraceptives and women’s health, then allow those women some dignity by allowing them to take responsibility for themselves and quit displaying them in front of the world. Obama and his female croonie progressives should be ashamed of themselves, but shame isn’t in their vocabulary.

    We aren’t heading into taxpayer hell – we’re in taxpayer hell.

    • Sirian

      css,
      EXACTLY! But here’s the problem – they are so blinded by the wonders of their messiah that they can’t see the true intent behind this. This is but one of so many other games that are being played out right in front of us yet they can’t see it for what it is.

      • FreedomFighter

        Its called EUGENICS

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Sirian

        A “Margaret Sanger” favorite for sure!

    • eddie47d

      There is obviously a sexual appetite out there and has been for a long time. Sex happens and it isn’t always for procreation. Americans didn’t invent the Roman orgy but they are none the less enthralled with porn,X-rated movies and strip bars. This is really an issue for men who have accepted these enticements as a normal part of manhood. If they can’t control themselves in what they approve of then how will women know anything different. Penthouse and Hustler will always be around so accept what you helped create in loose morals.

      • Joe H

        As is playgirl, the New York firemens calendar, and several other womens publications!!! It goes BOTH ways eddie!!!

      • GW

        “How will women know any different?”??? Good grief! Are you claiming that women are pawns without intellect?

  • Eric Bischoff

    It’s official Ben Crystal is a douche just like Andrew Breibart was.

    I know this crowd won’t get this and I can’t wait to see the uproar but Acorn, Planned Parenthood, Hamas, the Black Panthers. These are all organizations that work for the poor and have been demonized by the conservatives who have no clue what they do or what they are about. They provide healthcare, education, and many other services. Yes I can just hear you regurgitating Fox talking points memeos because you can’t get your lies from anywhere else these days. It’s amazing to me what a bunch of chicken (offensive word removed) you all are when you are so afraid of non-profit organizations that operate from donations doing the work that you all are up in arms whenever you think the government is going to pay for it. I ams sure you aren’t donating to them so basically what you are saying is (offensive word removed) the poor some one else can pay to help them. What a bunch of mean christian hypocrite losers. Oh I forgot misogynous too!

    • Beverly Teboe

      Free condoms are available at Family Planning centers. They also are not that expensive to buy; about $1. Get real why don’t you Eric, or are you the kind of guy who believes that all the responsibility belongs to the woman.

    • Waldo

      WOW now we know where all the kool-aide went……………………..

    • FreedomFighter

      Eric your a ….,nobody is listening to yourr commi red diaper doper baby BS, go kill yourself now and make the world a better place.

      Please Ban this commi for blatant insults directed at Ben.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Mad Dog

      Eric, SERIOUSLY – seek help. Fox is not my news source. In fact, I have firsthand experience that just about everything you posted is incorrect. Now I suspect – unless you’re a complete idiot – that you too have firsthand experience that justifies your post. But even assuming that’s true – you’ve committed a grievous error in assuming you’re experiences trump mine and all other conservatives. Eric, that is ignorance. And by demonstrating such ignorance, you discredit any value your words might otherwise have had.

      To be honest, Eric, to accuse either man (or other conservatives) as being “a douche” demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt the depth of your ignorance and psychological illness. Please, seek help.

      • eddie47d

        Both Limbaugh and Breitbart lied on more than one occasion and created a firestorm and are hardly decent good ‘ol boy Americans. Since the KKK was mentioned by The Big Easy then I will put them all in the same category and maybe that word douche wasn’t so inappropriate after all or even “puke”. .

    • the big easy

      @ erik————COMRADE———–You forgot about the white house administrations friend,the weather underground,and don’t forget about the democraps best one,the K.K.K.,remember good ole robbie byrd,”I only joined so as to help the people”.
      —————-WHAT A PUKE——————

    • Opal the Gem

      Indipendent Thinker said it very well.

      independant thinker says:
      March 3, 2012 at 11:48 am
      When we were in college my wife and I paid for our birth control ourselves. When we graduated and money was tight because we were just getting started we paid for it. When I was out of work for a time we found a way to pay for it. The whole time she was of child bearing age WE paid for our birth control. Our insurance didn’t pay for it, the government didn’t pay for it, some non profit agency didn’t pay for it WE paid for it. If we could manage to pay our own way concerning birth control even when money was very tight then this gal can find a way to pay for hers.

    • Stan Smith

      All I see is sleezy E is a bigger douche bag! Who cares about Rush! You can’t stand it when Andrew Breibart expose your Commie Libtards Lies! Better lay off the Crack Sleezy E! Liberalism is a Mental DisOrder! and you just proved it!

    • css

      Eric, you can’t be serious, or are you? Non-profit organizations? Every organization you mentioned profits from $billions in taxpayer money and most of that money is squandered by the directors. There are charities that help the poor and NOBODY should be forced to pay into corrupt organizations through forced taxes. I’m sure a lot of people donate to charities without being forced to do so and our government DOES NOT have the right to set up charities and force taxpayers to pay (donate) to them.

      Freedom means being able to do what you want to with your own money. Slavery means that it’s forced from you and given to someone else. There’s nothing wrong with helping the poor and if it wasn’t for the government keeping them poor through welfare and food stamps, I wouldn’t be sitting here typing this right now. There’s a thing called survival and people will survive regardless, but the government will not allow the poor to advance and survive on their own. Politicians want slaves, especially the progressives, because nobody would vote them into office if it wasn’t for the handouts they gave to their slaves. Now their goal is to carry out their eugenics program through those organizations and enslave the middle class after they’ve taken everything they can from the middle class.

      • Vigilant

        Lamentably, Eric IS serious.

        Chalk him up as one who will never run the risk of being called a person with a conscience. He’s a dyed-in-the-wool seditionist and advocate of the Josef Goebbals school of Big Lies.

        His arguments fail on just about every count, but that doesn’t stop him from hoping that he might find one in a million to subscribe to his anti-American, anti-Capitalist screeds a la Zinn, Chomsky, Marx and Alinsky.

        All too typical of the communist agenda, he will NEVER come out and admit that he is indeed a communist and statist.

    • Vigilant

      Eric the red claims that Hamas is one of the organizations that “work for the poor and have been demonized by the conservatives who have no clue what they do or what they are about.”

      You should be preaching in Gaza or Iran, not here, if you expect any decent and intelligent person to believe that.

      The PLO and now Hamas have kept the Palestinians in poverty while they received, directly or indirectly, funding from the US government or its citizens. Literally billions of US dollars were ripped off by Arafat and his buddies while the Palestinians suffered. They don’t give a damn about their own people, only in wiping Israel off the earth.

      If you’re so concerned about the poor, go tell that to the innocents killed by Hamas rockets in Israel. Don’t you just possibly think that the money funding their terrorist acts would have been better applied to truly improving the lot of their people?

      Somehow, Eric, I don’t think you would even grant that. “Despicable” doesn’t even begin to cover my opinion of you.

      • Vigilant

        …and Eric, don’t even CONSIDER telling me that what I’ve posted is “propaganda” or sweeping generalizations. A plethora of facts and figures backs up my assertions. You’ve seen them too, but you don’t have the courage to acknowledge them.

    • GW

      Are you saying your organization does not receive taxpayer funding? The issue is still that one’s sexual encounters should be paid for the person engaging in the encounter. If there are others (like yourself???) who want to pay for their sexual encounters, then you and your organization should pay for it without taxpayer funding!

  • William Cocker

    I think that all lawyers and potential lawyers should be provided with free contraceptives. After all, the last thing we want is to have them breeding.

    As a point of information, does anyone know how those of the Muslim religion manage to do their mandatory 5 prayers a day, while at school?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Either they don’t take the classes that interfere with their prayers, disregard the prayer time, or leave the class during prayer time or make the teacher stop the class for the prayer time. Take your pick.

  • http://gravatar.com/tex46 tex46

    My only comment is that I graduated from college 43 years too early. Where were all the sex-crazed women then ???

    • Nadzieja Batki

      What was the male to female ratios at your school? The famales outnumber the males at most schools in our time.

    • WILDFIRE

      back then parents and schools taught the children to have some integrity and principles for them self. Shacking up and sex out of wed lock was frowned upon, now it is anything goes with no self discipline or self control.

      • GW

        Those are the ones who are fond of screaming, “This is the 21st Century!” (as though immorality has evolved into their form of morality.

  • castaway

    I have a solution to the problem. We move all liberals to Afghanistan,and let them have the whole country. They can draft a new constitution, and do whatever else they want. With all their infinite wiscom, they should know how to handle the natives there, and maybe even convert them to the liberal bible. Everything is Free!

    • Sirian

      LOL. . . they’re six month deployment would be over in about three weeks :)

    • eddie47d

      Actually Muslim countries have strict Conservative religious views where you would be more at home. Bye Bye!

  • castaway

    My bad spelling was supposed to be wisdom, not wiscom.

  • mary

    The story comes out-the women who wanted birth control pills has ovarian cancer- it WAS NOT For birth control. The best part is she is a lesbian. Before we make assumptions maybe we should try and find truth. Maybe its time you understand the media its full of lies,propaganda, and distortion.

    • Karolyn

      Thank you, Mary.

      • http://yahoo Buck

        Oh Karolyn, now we have the answer to where you are coming from as it appears the word Liesbian struck a nerve in you.

    • FreedomFighter

      See my rebuttle to your first post.

      You lie or are fooled. Its about millions of women getting free birth control. Its about

      EUGENICS

      Its about everyone thru insurance paying for EUGENICS, all the mechanisms are in place for this woman to get free pills. You liberals wrap yourselves in the robes of the d0-gooder and your intent is evil.

      Liberals give a billion to Obama, nothing for the poor Lesbo? S

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • eddie47d

        Hey give up your birth control pills and condoms and if an “accident” happens Freedom Fighter has just volunteered to adopt all of your off spring. Thanks FF in practicing what you preach.

      • FreedomFighter

        Personal responsibility Eddie, try it. Stop asking everyone else to pick up for your mistakes.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • eddie47d

        I don’t fool around and don’t have any kids I don’t know about and certainly don’t have an STD. I think I have personal responsibility covered.

  • Dave

    That guy in the video seems to be VERY racist…. Doing a “black voice” is not funny in 2012…you’re 35 years late, as most right wingers are in their view of the world

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Define Racist. Don’t play semantical games with your post.

    • Warrior

      Right on dave, and it’s not even funny or attractive when the fraud in chief displays his phony black dialect.

    • FreedomFighter

      Another Commi red diaper doper playing the race card to discredit.

      Back under your slimy rock

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Sirian

      Hmmm, Obummer and Hillary are well versed in “black voice” doofus Dave. Oh, sorry, hope I haven’t offended you. Now stop pickin’ your nose and go outside and play in the street.

  • WILDFIRE

    First off her claims of spending $3000 in 3 yrs for Contraceptives, BC is roughly 30-50 a month times 36 months = $1080 – $1800. $1200 – $1900 in condoms – is alot of condoms. especially when she could get them from places like planned parenthood for free.

    Furthermore what is ironic is that this broad is complaining about paying some $30 – $50 a month to pleasure herself. When she graduates she is going to be raping people for $250 -$300 per hour just to listen to them talk to her or her to talk to them. She thinks that it is an injustice that she has to pay to play?

    The only instance that a woman needs or should get relief of the cost of BC is if she is found to have a medical condition such as a cyst, which BC is usually administered to help slow the growth. If she has no medical condition and wants BC just to play, then it should be on her dole or she can get the guy she is sleeping with to pay for it.

    • Warrior

      I think ms. puke is a good candidate to represent fannie and freddie. Let’s see, $500 mil in legal fees will purchase lots of birthcontrol pills and pay for a lot of std treatments. This will work out just fine.

  • WILDFIRE

    Furthermore what drives me nuts is listening to particularly the youth of this Country whining and complaining about they should get BC for free. While we have Diabetics and people with heart conditions that are paying $500+ a month for meds just to stay alive, and these young spoiled brats that what everything free, and take to the streets to protest so they can have free sex, but don’t see it worth their time to protest against the real injustices against folks that are 50 – 70% of their budget on meds just to stay alive and eating dog food.

    Shows the integrity and the principles of the youth these days. Its all about them self these days and what they should get for free. Most of which haven’t even begun to work or pay taxes and they are demanding how tax dollars should be spent

  • T.E.

    Attorneys are educated to screw their clients. That’s what the 4year education is all about. So why wouldn’t they need all the practice they can get!
    Com’on guys, it’s her mouth ~ she can haul coal in it, if she wants to!

    As for K, how many brews of man-chowder have you tossed? Or are you one of the ‘gurls’?

  • http://google john p.

    acorn is stile in business with a name change AHCOA they use the
    same irs numbers . and Obama is still giving money to acorn through
    HUD . the democrats give so much of our tax dollars away for votes ,
    birth control and family parent hood abortions . how dose that make
    you feel that your killing babies . democrats at there best anything
    for a vote . just like Obama care don’t read it vote for it first then
    read it . just like everything else the democrats do

  • Sirian

    Now that we all have scoured the girl quite well, what seems to be everyones thought about our troops getting killed over the Koran’s? The POTUS’s calming apology – a knack that seems to be genetically embedded – has had very little (SURE) effect on the feelings of the Afghans. Isn’t that odd? His apologies all over the place since even before he stepped into the oval office used to do so much good for everyone, didn’t it? Oh well, let them use their holy, holy book to be used as a means to pass messages between themselves in combat plans. But since we found them, then “inadvertently” burned them in an effort to stop this planning or intel passing it only has cost us six troops so far. Sure, what the heck, that’s nothing to be overly concerned about, just a drop in the bucket of U.S. troops, isn’t it Obummer?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      How about this scenario,Sirian. We, Americans, are over in Afhganistan with our troops and the contractors and we are supporting certain tribes but somehow we don’t give enough money to other tribes and they don’t take the slight lightly. it is easy to be envious and jealous and then to have them burn and pillage and murder. America will just throw more money at them to pacify them.

    • Warrior

      err, it’s ‘bush’s” fault?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Lol,mdr,jajaja,mkm,ha3,asd,g,hhh. Can’t think of any more ways to say that you have a way with words. The e-laughs abbreviations are courtesy of National Geographic and linguist Susan Herring.

      • Sirian

        LOL!! Uh, had to think on that one for a minute Warrior. . . . thought you were cryptically talking ‘bout Pack – E – Stan. . . :)

  • T.E.

    Let’s all say a prayer that ALL democrats use birth control religously ~ and permantly!
    I’m for FORCED sterilization of ALL democrats! LOL

    chowder up! K. A good dose never hurt a good woman…

  • R. Paul

    Korolynn, sorry. If I were you I would just move on rom this site. I’ve been trolling it for a few months, subscribe to the newsletter, etc., and the comments section has always been a shock to me. However, this feed may contain some of the most despicable online behavior I’ve witnessed thus far.

    A woman’s rights needs to be protected. If a woman takes birth control, that doesn’t make her a slut. We are men. We are adults. We should act like adults. With dignity. And respect. This is my first (and probably last) post, so refrain from commenting if it’s going to revert to name-calling, misogyny, racist innuendo (yes, I’ve seen how most of you speak of Obama, and not mention his wife), or any epithets in reference to a woman’s sexual behavior. It’s unbecoming. You can disagree, but agree to disagree.

    • FreedomFighter

      Ok, what do you call a woman that wants you to pay for her birth control? I know what I would say, what would you label her?

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • R. Paul

        “Responsible.” An “adult seeking preventative care.”

      • FreedomFighter

        How about:

        Freeloader asking for handouts

        Jeesh you koolaid drinkers are disgusting.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • R. Paul

        What you’re insinuating is thus, “someone is a freeloader if they are continuing an education to the one of the highest achievable degrees and wants to maintain a healthy, mature sex life, without ending up biologically tethered to a child.” What I am seeing is a human being, utilizing her freedom of choice, in regards to fertility, to keep her options open for present and future endeavors.

        “Unmarried mothers gave birth to 4 out of every 10 babies born in the United States in 2007″ -National Center for Health Statistics

        “In the United States, 25.8% of children are raised in a single parent household.” -the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development

        I don’t demonize a woman for wanting to protect her own interests and invested time achieving a goal against the birth of a child. Having a child is a choice that takes deliberation and careful planning.

      • FreedomFighter

        If she so great, so smart, so educated, she can find the 15 bucks a month to buy her own.

        No I dont believe in EUGENICS, killing your offspring to better your life, never does.

        If she does not want kids, she can keep her knees together, and not force me to help pay for her personal choice.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • R. Paul

        The use of birth control isn’t eugenics. There is no offspring to consider. In a birth control scenario the egg is never fertilized. We’re not talking about abortion, and please don’t be angry that I’d rather just leave that stone unturned as it is a completely different issue entirely. Now, because you are a man of “faith,” which i wholly respect, and you believe rightly in the full text of the first amendment in regards to religious freedom, I have to ask, do you really see contraception as a morality based issue? And do you believe your faith to be the rightful majority, or..? Because on the other side I’m seeing people of their own respected faiths as well practicing their lives without impeding on your right not to use contraception. I think a person should make the responsible decision to protect themselves and their partners from an unprepared for birth (especially BEFORE conception in the uterus) or the spread of disease. I just don’t see what’s wrong with that.

      • R. Paul

        Oh, and a follow-up question: Has it been your intention, every time you’ve initiated sex, to conceive a child?

      • FreedomFighter

        Your logic basis is fake, making the entire aurgument nothing more than an attempt to confuse the issue. Your co-opt attempt has failed

        NOBODY SHOULD BE FORCED TO PAY FOR BIRTH CONTROL OF OTHERS

        Personal responsiblity for ones own action, is just that.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • independant thinker

        I posted this above and think it says it rather well.

        When we were in college my wife and I paid for our birth control ourselves. When we graduated and money was tight because we were just getting started we paid for it. When I was out of work for a time we found a way to pay for it. The whole time she was of child bearing age WE paid for our birth control. Our insurance didn’t pay for it, the government didn’t pay for it, some non profit agency didn’t pay for it WE paid for it. If we could manage to pay our own way concerning birth control even when money was very tight then this gal can find a way to pay for hers.

      • R. Paul

        You are welcome to do as you like. As I see it, birth control should be covered by insurance as preventative care. Just as my insurance would cover an exam, or a physical under preventative care, I believe contraception belongs in the very same category.

        • Mad Dog

          What part of INSURANCE do you not get, R. Paul? I assume you have Car Insurance – right? If you’re ever in a really bad accident and you incur several thousand dollars in repairs, or you total your car, or you’re injured, or you injure someone else — THEN your insurance kicks in. You don’t use your Car Insurance to pay for an oil change, a new fan belt, or to rotate your tires (though these are all good maintenance or preventative measures). Some people might buy a “Maintenance Program” or a “Warranty Package” to cover preventative maintenance; but if the Insurance Companies were to ever include that in their policies, the price of auto Insurance would skyrocket. The exact same way as the price of Health Insurance has skyrocketed.

          This analogy holds true for Home Insurance, Fire Insurance, Life Insurance, Business Insurance …etc. It is the standard of the insurance industry that ONLY CATASTROPHIC events are covered. And the only industry that has deviated from that norm (Health Insurance) has been FAILING for the last 40 years.

          Do you understand R. Paul? You continue to advocate something that will guarantee the ultimate failure of the entire Healthcare Industry. In today’s political terms: It is “Unsustainable”. Obamacare is Unsustainable. And the system of Healthcare Insurance that preceded Obamacare is Unsustainable. Can’t anybody read P&L sheets anymore; doesn’t anybody see the economic trend that is being played out in this country and around the world relative to unsustainable entitlements?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Dottos, excellent analogy, Mad Dog! Unfortunately, it is also packed with way tooooo much logic for libs to digest!

    • the big easy

      @ r paul—–You say her right to be protected,WHAT ABOUT MY RIGHT TO BE PROTECTED FROM PUKES LIKE HER THAT WANT ME TO PAY FOR HER TO ‘PLEASURE HERSELF’,if you like that sorted kind of life,THEN YOU PAY FOR HER ‘PROTECTION’.——————WHAT A PUKE——————

      • R. Paul

        Are you angry that women have sex?

      • eddie47d

        Shouldn’t she be protected by “puke”, men who want to have sex with her Big Easy? Why is the woman called names when a man is not.

      • GW

        R. Paul doesn’t seem to comprehend the idea of personal resposibiity. I just hope that this person is NOT RON PAUL, THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE! I am planning to vote for Ron Paul, but if he has this view I have no one to vote for.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      R Paul: Korolynn, sorry. If I were you I would just move on rom this site. I’ve been trolling it for a few months, subscribe to the newsletter, etc., and the comments section has always been a shock to me. However, this feed may contain some of the most despicable online behavior I’ve witnessed thus far.

      Oh, you poor little dear! You don’t have a life, so you go trolling, looking for sites that you can identify-with. But you stumble on this one; that shocks, and traumatizes you. Yet, rather then run for your life, you stay. Are you a masochist, or just a blathering fool?

      • Karolyn

        Jay – I’ve been visiting here for alnmost 2 years. I think it’s the challenge that brings me here. I am not by any stretch of the imagination an argumentative person and rarely come in contact with people who would even argue, so this gives me an outlet. My coworkers and friends are all very open minded people even though not all of our views are not the same, and we don’t argue. Also, I have to say that I have learned a lot here and it has changed some of my views. What good is preaching to the choir? I’m addicted, and this is the only site I visit, given the time I have available.

    • Joe H

      R. Paul,
      you probably will not read this because it IS from a man, but I agree that the man should take responsibility for his actions. BUT, since todays ladies are all yelling about EQUALITY, shouldn’t they, TOO be responsible adults and ALSO act with dignity??? I, as a MAN took EQUAL care of my children, the house, all aspects of marriage, and my wife and I have been married 36 years. We BOTH see our marriage as level ground for both of us. i don’t ask the government to cover ANYTHING on me and neither does my wife. We never have. Our lives are OUR responsibility!!

      • GW

        That’s what the issue is —- personal responsibility. If a woman is going to have sex with a person who does not provide a condom, then she has the responsibility to protect herself.

  • FreedomFighter

    Jerome Corsi: Breitbart’s Last Contact Was With Sheriff Joe Arpaio!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0Zh1VY1cWg&feature=uploademail

    Guys its coming out, Obamas entire history is a fake,

    IMPEACH OBAMA NOW

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Corrine

      I agree with you !!!! I have been saying this before he was put in the white house….GOD Bless US ALL ! If we make it ! B.O. is foing all this crap to take our minds off of his NOT being legal like all the other illegals !!!! We have to get on track and get rid of him
      Call and e-mail YOUR Senators ! Tell them we are NOT going to put with this FAKE !

    • Marlene

      Thanks for the link, FF. This is a very enlightening and hopeful 13 minutes.

    • Joe H

      FF,
      Thanks for the link, it just confirms what I’ve been suspecting for awhile. THIS is why I have been worried about sheriff Joe!!! I only pray the truth comes out before the election if at all!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      FF, i never had a doubt that Obama is not who he, and his accomplices, claims to be. I say; to firing squad with the lot of them, or at very least, deport them to Siberia, from whence they originate! Arrgh!

  • Judy

    Sexual activity is a personal choice; it is your choice to prevent the spread of disease or unwanted pregnancy. We are not talking about ignorance but a generation that has been educated since high school if not middle school about sexual activity and promisquiity and the results there of. We are talking about a young woman in Law School! Why is it now out responsibility to pay for someone elses sexual exploits? There are other human necessities that we pay for ourselves, should we all be entitled to toilet paper because we have no choice but to eliminate? Should over the counter drugs be free because they are purchased by personal choice? Where does it end!

  • KT

    The fact that we are even discussing this issue under the pretense of “religious freedom” is ludicrous enough. Even more ludicrous is the fact that a drug and food addicted, bellowing schoolyard bully with four marriages under his belt, no offspring to show for it, and an apparent need to stockpile drugs for erectile dysfunction should have such far-reaching influence over a gullible/ignorant/hate-consumed audience. SICK SICK SICK!

    • FreedomFighter

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
      — The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

      Religion

      The First Amendment prohibits government from establishing a religion and protects each person’s right to practice (or not practice) any faith without government interference.

      The Freedom Forum’s First Amendment Center operates several Religious Freedom Programs advancing the understanding of freedom of religion in public schools and other venues.

      Free speech

      The First Amendment says that people have the right to speak freely without government interference.

      The Freedom Forum’s First Amendment Center presents several programs addressing aspects of free speech, including Freedom Sings and First Amendment on Campus.

      Free press

      The First Amendment gives the press the right to publish news, information and opinions without government interference. This also means people have the right to publish their own newspapers, newsletters, magazines, etc.

      The Freedom Forum’s First Amendment Center provides a program for newspaper editors and other staff through a partnership with the American Press Institute.

      Assembly

      The First Amendment says that people have the right to gather in public to march, protest, demonstrate, carry signs and otherwise express their views in a nonviolent way. It also means people can join and associate with groups and organizations without interference.

      Petition

      The First Amendment says that people have the right to appeal to government in favor of or against policies that affect them or that they feel strongly about. This freedom includes the right to gather signatures in support of a cause and to lobby legislative bodies for or against legislation.

      Unlike you I cherish my right to practice my faith, if you have one, you would also.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • KT

        Considering the fact that 98% of self-proclaimed Catholic women use contraception, the “religious freedom” argument is ringing hollow. However, the subject is open to debate and I am certainly willing to hear differing opinions. What I object to is the fact that this has turned into a personal assault on one woman because she dared to speak for millions of women who share her feelings. The American Taliban is alive and well and the mullahs are out en masse enforcing their brand of morality. I wonder how the discourse would unfold if remedies for erectile dysfunction were considered along the same lines as contraception and if every guy who uses one of these drugs (which are by the way covered by most insurance plans) were to be condemned like Sandra Fluke. After all, if God had meant for these guys to be having sex, He wouldn’t have rendered them permanently flaccid.

      • FreedomFighter

        I gave your post to Elvis the Talking bird to read:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWvAi5opqTA&feature=fvst

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Joe H

        FF,
        HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! That bird is CRAZY!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      KT, your feminism is showing…not to mention your hatred of religion. You truly are are one sad, and pathetic individual! My sympathies to your husband, if you have one, poor unfortunate fellow!

  • Corrine

    Karolyn….PLEASE ! When these young girls who are abused and treated bad…well I start to wonder….what was their part in this attack !?!?! What did they say, how were they dressed, why were they near that situation !?!?!? I’m 71, married for 50 years to the same man, we have 4 kids. I’ve seen a lot of life. I tell you I can not st and the way girls and women dress themselves now a days….even the ones telling the news on TV ! Most of the time you are labled for what you say, how you say it, how you dress ( or not dress ), who you hang out with….please you do the crime…pay for it yourself !!!!

    • M.M

      Corrine, exactly right when these girls let it ALL hang out, top and bottom, that’s just advertizment and no nice gentleman would want any girl that does that to take as a wife,
      so hang it out girls and see what you end up with. I’m 82 and when I was younger, there was never the sloppy sex displayed in my whole young life and I got a wonderful husband for 52 years and I can’t even remember having a serious spat, he was a delightful husband that I could never replace, I lost him 2 years ago, so wise up young girlsyour up to no good if you have no self decency about you.

      • eddie47d

        Sounds like a good life and God Bless you and your deceased husband. Respect and morality are important and both men and women need to be kinder to the opposite sex. I try not to judge sex out of marriage but even then some look at it as strictly pleasure and not as a responsible gift.

    • Mike W

      The notion that women “ask to be raped” by how they dress may be alive and well in some middle eastern countries, but not in America.

      • Karolyn

        It’s still alive and well here, Mike.

    • Karolyn

      Corinne – It is exactly your type of attitude it is my job to change. NO ONE ASKS TO BE RAPED! I don’t care if a woman walks down the street naked. MEN CAN CONTROL THEMSELVES! In European countries, where women are respected no matter what they wear, where sex is more openly talked about, where there are nude beaches; and where some have legal prostitution, the rape rates are much lower than here. Rape is about power, control and anger – not sex! The attitude you display is exactly what keeps victims from coming forward and prosecuting victimizers and the reason only somewhere around 16% of rapists ever go to jail. That attitude continued to victimize the victim, and rapists just keep on doing it.

      • Mad Dog

        Karolyn, I’ve disagreed with much of what you’ve posted today. To your credit, it appears as if you’ve kept an open mind and are perhaps even rethinking your position. But I HAD to respond to your last post where you state:

        “…NO ONE ASKS TO BE RAPED! I don’t care if a woman walks down the street naked. MEN CAN CONTROL THEMSELVES! ….Rape is about power, control and anger – not sex! …etc…”

        I could not agree with you more and I’m amazed and insulted at the level of ignorance that still remains today, that you apparently deal with everyday, and that many have expressed in this thread.

        Thank you for all your work. (But BC remains a private issue; and should not be reimbursed by the government, an employer, a school or even an insurance company).

      • Karolyn

        Thank you, Mad Dog.

  • the big easy

    My question is,WHEN DOES SHE HAVE TIME FOR WHAT SHE WENT TO THAT SCHOOL FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE,to study law,or maybe that was just so as to line up her “john’s”,remember that school is VERY EXPENSIVE .
    What a SHAME it must be for her PARENTS to have to find out on NATIONAL T.V., that their daughter is such a ” SEXUAL DEGENERATE “,that she has to have SEX THREE TIMES A DAY,7 DAYS A WEEK.That is just NOT normal.And even if that is what you call normal,I DO NOT WANT TO BE PAYING FOR HER TO BE A “BOY TOY”.
    Maybe they have a “RED LIGHT DISTRICT” there on campus,could be that some of the ‘TEACHERS ‘are some of her “customers”,makes for “good” grades ! ! ! ! ! !
    Maybe her parents should be sending her to a “LEGITIMATE ” legal,licensed,board certified sex therapist,she is headed for some serious mental and medical problems,and what if has a S.T.D.,how many of her “customers” are going to need treatment also,then I guess that she would want for the American Tax Payers to pay for ALL their Treatments?
    This WORLD IS ON FIRE,gas prices are over $4 DOLLARS A GALLON,unemployment is some 18.5%,the NATIONAL DEBT is headed towards 20 TRILLION DOLLARS,our MILITARY WARRIORS are being MURDERED over in the SAND BOX,irun is ready to get the nuclear weapon and this is what ‘ole nancy (stretch ) paloousy comes up with in congressional hearings ! ! ! ! ! ! ———–WHAT A PUKE—————————

    • M.M

      You are so right The Big Easy these girls think they are big time bragging about their “any port in a storm” dangerious sctions, when she gets a good dose, then I suppose she will want us to pay for that to, plus all the ones she spread it to, I have no pity for her only what her mental status is and that’s not much, maybe that’s how she’s getting through school???

    • eddie47d

      Which sex would be giving her that “dose” MM?

      • Joe H

        Does that even matter, eddie??? Or are you one of those that thinks it is impossible for a woman to spread a venerial disease to another woman??? Better think again, eddie!!!

  • DavidL

    A responsible adult and taxpayer should have no problem appreciating the fact that access to contraception,regardless of its form, reduces the number of abortions. What’s wrong with that? Complete Insurance coverage (no co-pays or fees) for preventive healthcare screenings, of all types, reduces healthcare costs and saves lives. What’s wrong with that?

    Preventive care, catching disease early as opposed to late, is a no-brainer. Everyone writing on this site agrees with this view if we are talking about disease affecting them. Sadly, some others can’t see beyond the end of their nose.

    • Joe H

      Well good, davie, you send your EXTRA check in this month since YOU don’t mind!! I, on the other hand, mind VERY MUCH!!!

  • KT

    Do people not see where this is leading? The legislation allows an employer to deny coverage on religious OR moral grounds. What’s to prevent an employer from denying AIDS treatment based on “moral” considerations? Or blood transfusions if one’s religion forbids that? Or treatment for diabetes because gluttony is one of the seven capital sins? Or lung cancer because smoking is a vice? Where does it end? This contraception nonsense is aimed at women because of those who want to go back to an era when women “knew their place” and sex was exclusively for the pleasure of men. Not gonna happen.

    • FreedomFighter

      False pretense, confuse issue, — failed.

      None of that is on the table, nor will it be.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • KT

        It requires critical thinking skills to look ahead and see where this could lead. It’s quite evident that there are not a lot of chess players on this site. I wonder why that is.

        • Mad Dog

          KT: I must invoke an “En passant”. For you to assume that: “It’s quite evident that there are not a lot of chess players on this site” is an assumption that would cost you an opening advantage and possibly the game. [I'm removing your pawn from the board.]

          Really, KT, can you not see where “this” is headed?

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      KT: The legislation allows an employer to deny coverage on religious OR moral grounds. What’s to prevent an employer from denying AIDS treatment based on “moral” considerations? Or blood transfusions if one’s religion forbids that? Or treatment for diabetes because gluttony is one of the seven capital sins? Or lung cancer because smoking is a vice? Where does it end?

      Why is the onus always on the employer to pay. But pay they do, KT; and that, by purchasing INSURANCE for their employees. And, it is up to the Insurance company(s) to determine what will, and will not, be covered, not, the employer! Are you aware, that Insurance companies do not provide coverage for illness(s), side-effects, related to vaccinations? Critical thinking? I think you come-up a bit short in that department!

      • Mad Dog

        I think you nailed it, Jay. Our current Healthcare System/Insurance is FLAWED because we have entrusted this critical aspect of our lives to our employers. No other Insurance (Car, Life, Home, etc.) is entrusted to our employers. Why do you think this is so? Why do you think Corporate America likes it this way? Why would they want the extra control over their employees – restricting their vocational flexibility – ensuring minimum turnover, replacing and retraining employees? Why would powerful corporations what to capture and hold hostage their “Intellectual Property” – preventing it from falling into the hands of their competition. We employees are their pawns. They have ultimate control. They decide what kind of benefits package (health insurance) we get, who the carrier will be, and how payments will be made.

        There is NO cost benefit from running HC through your employer. HC procedures, services, products pharms, etc. are going to cost what they cost. The HC insurance companies SHOULD take all this into account when calculating YOUR personal policy and premiums – NOT that of your Employer. Your employer MAY contribute to your premiums – FINE – but from now on, give us the money directly and we’ll decide what policy WE want and from WHICH Insurance Provider.

        Now we can keep the same policy throughout our entire life; not be restricted because of “previous conditions”; not have to change carriers every time we change jobs or cities or states. Now we can be compensated for being in good health, or having no spouse or children, for not smoking or being over-weight. If we are responsible, healthy customers our insurance costs would go down – just like they do for Car and other insurances.

        But it will never happen! For the last 40 years – crony-capitalists have not only looked they other way will this has been allowed to occur – they have actually passed laws that PROTECT these (otherwise illegal) MONOPOLIES. Where monopolies are allowed to exist, free-enterprise and competition fail. And THAT is why our Healthcare System is FAILING and will continue to do so.

      • Karen H in MN

        Jay—exactly—they will start denying benefits or insurance for how many things. Then courts will get all bound up fighting these ‘rights’, and a few people will die, and where does it end? For people that can’t stand regulations, they certainly are trying to regulate women’s lives on this issue. Those same companies or hospitals, etc. have been rightly so, giving insurance benefits to their employees that used it for contraceptives for YEARS.
        Santorum got this holier than thou thing going…just what the RIGHTIES needed.

      • Karolyn

        Good points Jay.

      • Joe H

        Mad dog,
        gotta disagree a little here with you. every employer I have had and the one my wife has right now has offered life insurance. my wifes is about five times her yearly salary. we have a co-pay but it IS offered.

        • Mad Dog

          You are right, Joe, and thanks for keeping me honest. Many of my posts speak in generalities; I do not mean to misrepresent the situation – only simplify the presentation.

          Yes, some employers do offer Life Insurance to their employees as part of a benefits package. It used to be very common, but it’s becoming less so. When it was offered, it was generally only “Term” Life; which means the premiums were minimal for sizable coverage but on a short-term basis (i.e. the term of your employment). Again, the goal was to influence employees NOT to leave their employment. On the surface, that sounds okay – but why not just give you and your wife the same amount in cash and let you buy your own Life Insurance: term, whole-life, whatever, but GIVE you the FREEDOM to choose AND the freedom to move on to better professional opportunities.

          “But, Mad Dog”, you’re going to say, “my employer gets a better rate for both Life and Heath Insurance than I can get independently”. Oh really, are you going to live longer while under their employ? Less likely to have a fatal car crash? Less likely to get sick, break a bone, get pregnant or need birth control – JUST because you and your wife work there instead of somewhere else? NO! So the Insurance companies are giving your employer a discount so they don’t have to compete on the open market. They are not only violating Anti-Monopoly laws, they are violating Anti-Trust laws and defrauding our Free-enterprise, fair competition economy.

          Hey Joe, why stop with Life and Health Insurance? Why not let your employer buy your Car and Home Insurance as well? Why not let your employer buy your CAR and HOME as well; you KNOW they could get a better deal if they “bought in bulk”, if they took advantage of “group rates”. Hey, why not buy all our food and furniture through our employer as well? More group rate discounts – who cares if we loose some freedom of choice? Oh, did I forget to mention that when you leave your employer’s cozy little benefits package, you’ll loose the car, loose your home, loose your furniture ?? It’s the same thing – we’ve just been brainwashed NOT to see the corruption – brainwashed into becoming dependent on a “Nanny Company” and a “Nanny State”.

      • Joe H

        Mad Dog,
        no, I don’t expect him to take care of my car insurance, I’ve done that all my life. Never driven without it. there is a modecum of risk assigned to any job, however, if only due to stress. As a welder, if my employer didn’t install exhaust fans in the shop, inhaling molybdenum in fumes isn’t good, lead from galvanized steel isn’t good either. A welder can get all kinds of health problems from the job. to off set this risk to my families the insurance was offered. They don’t effect my driving, so wh should they effect my car insurance? They will, however stand good if my car is hit on their property by their employee driving their vehicle. The job my wife has has health risks, too. Very high stress, flying all over the world, other problems, as well. Why shouldn’t they provide the insurance. any additional, I WILL provide.

        • Mad Dog

          Joe, it’s okay to use personal experiences to initially describe or explain situations, but ultimately the conversation should NOT be about you or me, but about the Millions of Americans that have become dependent upon their employers to provide them with Medical Insurance.

          [Note that I've changed terminology: Healthcare is a misnomer, as you've pointed out - your employer provides YOU with insurance to cover your medical needs; there is NOTHING "Healthy" about your place of employment OR a hospital. In reality "Healthcare" has a lot more to do with your Diet and Exercise (your grocery store and neighborhood sidewalks) than the Medical services and drugs that try to cure or disguise diseases and body malfunctions.]

          But again, Joe, if you and your employer feel that – because of your poor work conditions – you are entitled to additional medical insurance – let them give you the money directly which gives you the power, control, freedom and responsibility to manage YOUR own Health. And isn’t that the way it should be? Shouldn’t we all have increased responsibilities when it comes to selecting and managing one of the most important aspects of our lives?

        • Mad Dog

          But hey, as long as were picking apart the Medical Insurance System:

          First, Joe, the following is not necessarily about you or your situation; it is a description of the problem that exists across the entire country – exists for millions of insured Americans.

          Most employers offer very few options to their employees when it comes to Medical Insurance. Very often it comes down to “Individual” vs “Family”; possibly with another option that reducing premiums by sacrificing service providers or other features. That’s about it.

          When I started driving at 16, my car insurance was incredibly expensive. When I made the deans list, the rates went down a little. When I got married, rates went down again. When we got a second car, rates went up – but not double. When our oldest daughter started to drive (our car) our rates skyrocketed again – but not as much as they would for a boy. At one point, we had three kids (two boys, one girl) living at home – some driving their own cars, some sharing our car. And the premium rates reflected this – they reflected the increased risk and cost. The monthly premiums were more than 5 times what I’d pay as single adult male. We didn’t like it, it was expensive; but it was fair and it made economic sense.

          Now contrast that with a Medical Insurance Family Plan: It might be just your spouse, or one kid, of five kids, or ten kids – one plan fits all. And now the geniuses in Washington have extended the family plan to include 26 year old students. “One Size Fits ALL”. “Share the Wealth & Share the Expense”. Does this remind you of anything? We are so quick to blame Socialized Medicine on Obama or Hillary – but guess what – our medical system has been devolving into Socialized Medicine for the last 40 years. And there is an endless supply of data proving the Socialized Medicine is inferior to Free-enterprise, and likely destined to fail. And indeed, we’ve been experiencing this failure (price escalation, service reduction) for the last 40 years.

          Socialized Medicine, Medicare, Medicaid, and Part D Pharmaceuticals constitute the largest segment of our Entitlements and that of the entire (western) world. Have we learned nothing about unsustainable and unfunded liabilities?

          Joe, spit out the kool-aid, the system is flawed.

      • Joe H

        First Mad Dog, I don’t swill the koolaid. I’m for Paul? Napolitano all the way to the end! Let me ask you a question. If you did a job for a guy and part of the renumeration for the work is homecooked meals for two months. well, you finish the job in ONE month. now the guy says but it only took you one month to finish the job so therefore i should only have to give you meals for ONE month. would you agree?? The insurance IS offered as an incentive for you to work for THEM and not some other shmuck. If I like those terms, dude, then I’ll work for them. If you don’t like the terms then you don’t HAVE to work for him!!By all means, go to another place of employment. As to the limited choice?? I know of at least twenty places just around the northeast Ohio area that offer three or more different plans at the same place by THEIR choice. My wifes place offers stock option, three health plans, and matching retirement. there are many others that do, do your research, and don’t assume.

        • Mad Dog

          Sorry Joe, I really didn’t want to make this about you (or me). In fact, I began my post emphasizing just that:

          “… the following is not necessarily about you or your situation; it is a description of the problem that exists across the entire country – exists for millions of insured Americans.”

          Furthermore, Joe, I HAVE done my homework, and I don’t mean to assume anything – because I’m not making this about you. My statements are factual generalizations about the average workers that are insured through their employers.

          For the most part, my arguments have nothing to do with the overall benefits packages (as you brought up regarding you and your wife). However, you should know that the national trend is for fewer benefits like stock options or retirement matching. That doesn’t mean they no longer exist – it means they’re becoming increasing RARE (good for you and your wife – hang onto that employer!).

          Listen Joe, you’re a smart guy. I respectfully ask you to re-read my post. Pay particular attention to the comparisons I make between the basic structure and rules of the Auto Insurance Industry and that of the Medical Insurance Industry:

          Auto doesn’t have a Family Plan, Medical Does. You understand, of course, that the family plan is a move towards socialized medicine. In a NON-socialist environment, we pay for services rendered. Two people will get sick twice as often as one; three will get sick 3x as often as 1; a family of 10 are 10x more likely to get cancer, diabetes, heart disease, broken bones or pregnant than a family of 1. The family plan “shares the cost” amongst all policy holders. Socialized Medicine!

          Auto Insurance Discriminates, Medical Insurance Doesn’t. Evidence clearly shows that men have more accidents then women; young men have more accidents that older men; good students have fewer accidents than drop outs. The Medical industry has NOT been allowed to do this: men generally give birth less often than women; women get breast cancer more than men; men get testicular cancer more than women; over-weight people are at greater risk of heat disease and diabetes than people of a more healthy weight. Etc. But the Medical Insurance Industry doesn’t discriminate, they can’t profile – the cost all health risks are averaged across all policy holders. “Share the Cost”. Socialized Medicine.

          Do you see – it doesn’t matter if you and your wife support Paul or Napolitao (duh). What matters here is that we have a VERY flawed system. This flawed system is perpetuated by corporate American for their own benefit. Our crony-capitalist government has allowed this corruption to continue, has allowed this gross violation of anti-trust and stifling of free-enterprise and competition. And because of this, Joe, the cost of both medical treatments and medical insurance has increased exponentially for the last 40 years. The more socialized we allow it to become, the faster pricing will increase.

          … do your job … get paid for the job … whether it takes one month or two, you should get paid for doing the job … if you accept a contract that pays you less for working faster or smarter, you need a new business manager. I hope that helps.

  • chuckb

    sterilize all the welfare queens and make contraceptives against the law, brand it the same as pot and the college crows will be more than willing to pay for their own recreation.. just think of the new jobs created,” contraceptive dealers” barry could create a new agency and hire another “sex czar” he could recall anthony weiner and place him in charge.

  • RichardM73

    I understand that this student had a phone conversation with Barack. How about that! The president can’t take time away from doing the people’s work to show up in court in Georgia because he was subpoened to, but he can take time out of his busy day to call this broad and thank her. I’m sure at the end of the conversation, Barach probably told her good job, the check’s in the mail!

    • Joe H

      richard,
      Are you kidding??? He couldn’t even be bothered to contact the families of the soldiers that his appology caused the death of!!! why would he show up for something BELOW his standing like that???

  • perry

    Eddie47 she doesn’t have to open her leg s up, why blame the man

    • eddie47d

      Fair enough and there are some women who can’t control their urges. Yet even today the man is the aggressor in most sexual encounters. It’s usually the man who want to get a woman a wee bit drunk so she loosens up . Lets face it men fantasize about sex more often than women and encourage women to get into those compromising positions. Thus the aggressor should take the most responsibility. (whether a man or a woman).

      • Joe H

        eddie, you are getting too old and behind the times. these days the girls are chasing the guys just as hard as the guys are chasing them!!! just watch the news and the talk shows. hell, you got 14 year old girls that WANT a kid, for cripes sake!!! Hell even Dr Phil has had girls on his show that have been determined to get pregnant at any age from 12 to 18!! they even had one at 14 that wanted to become a stripper. go take a nice nappy eddie, you need it!!!

      • eddie47d

        Thank you Doctor Joe! I’m aware of that butthead!

      • Joe H

        OOOOOOOH!! eddie must have woke up from nappy time a little grouchy!!!

    • KT

      Why not require female circumcision like they do in Africa? Makes sex so painful that they’re not likely to “open their legs” for anyone but the husband, who doesn’t give a crap how it hurts her. Those guys really know how to handle their women, doncha think?!

      • Libertytrain

        I think your comment here is quite ignorant. Your mindless point is not even remotely relevant to why or why not we should be paying for this girl’s bc….

        • Karen H in MN

          Libertytrain Your statement…. Why not require female circumcision like they do in Africa? Makes sex so painful that they’re not likely to “open their legs” for anyone but the husband, who doesn’t give a crap how it hurts her. Those guys really know how to handle their women, doncha think?!

          If that isn’t the damndest and dumbest retort to the ‘conversation’. The men on here are really showing all the more why women have to fight for their rights. Too many men disrespect women, and see them as second class citizens. On this site they are downright disgusting towards women. I pray that none of you have girlfriends or wives, and if you do, I wonder how many know how you really feel about women. SHAME ON YOU.

          and by the way—there are a whole lot of good men that care very much about sex hurting their partners.

      • Karolyn

        Karen – I believe you got the names/comments confused. KT was being facetious in his comment. Liberty did not say that.

      • Libertytrain

        karolyn – the poor potty mouth kid doesn’t read well….

      • Joe H

        Karen,
        number one, LEARN TO READ! number two, there are guys here like myself that care very deeply for their wives. just because life has thrown YOU for a loss, don’t channel it to us, lady!! i have ALWAYS been there for my wife, day in, day out! 36 years I’ve been there. I took just as much care of our kids, maybe a little more. She worked outside the house, her choice, I was home and worked there. I cooked, cleaned, changed dirty diapers, went to school functions, even went as a chaperone on band trips. And yes, lady I washed windows!!

        • Karen H in MN

          Joe H—You implied that I had a life experience that made me WHAT?! How can you make such a stupid ass remark when you know nothing about me??? I have never posted before today, and to see soooo many you men implying that the girl is a slut, and that you are all frikkin’ heroes because you paid your own insurances. GOD can judge me, but you sir cannot. You had better stick like glue to that perfect woman in your perfect relationship, with perfect kids and clean frikkin’ windows! I am so damn happy for you…but DON’T tell me what my life has been. I am happy as a clam, with family and friends in my home town. I love where I live, the church that I go to, my big dog, and small cat. My life is as simple or as active as I want it to be. I love being retired. Retired early actually. Life is good. I am as liberal as they come…always have been, and this batch of Republican naysayers, and negative thinkers with the sky is falling mentality have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, not one job created from their trickle down economy. The ones running are clowns. You guys are in deep doo doo, and I wish you luck. The only thing you can do is put Obama down because you have not one thing to brag up about yourselves. So you just stop your tongue from wagging about ME and stick to the issue at hand. Trust me….I can hand it out as much as you can throw. This is my first day on here ever commenting. I am VERY passionate about the issues in this country. About the GOP trying to step on women’s rights. and NO I am not one of those darn women’s libbers. They made me mad…I was so content being a mom at home, and opening doors with just a smile. Since then, especially in my retired years I have had to time to really listen to the differences in the two parties. I have two things to say for todays Republicans or Conservatives, I guess you like to be called. One, you are fear mongers, and war mongers because it’s good for business, and two, you are arrogant blowhards. I will banter with anyone that wants to discuss an issue, but this site, at least this issue of contraceptives has some of you men spewing obscenities that are not warranted.
          Sincerely, Karen and P.S. I have verrry clean windows!

      • Joe H

        Yeah karen, hehe, you sound VERRRRY happy!!!! You sound simply delirious!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

      • Libertytrain

        joe, this is another one of those do as I say not as I do libs….she called another woman the grossest, tackiest, most classless word that only a very classless person would use – the “c” word. She has no credibility in attacking anyone else because she does the exact same thing she’s chastising “us” for — laughable — you bet.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Kt, that was one pathetic post! Liberals are so pathetic, you almost want to feel sorry for them, almost.

  • http://none Claire

    You know, there are times when I wonder what the heck is wrong with people. Whatever happened to common sense and decency? When I was younger, I took birth control pills and I PAID for them myself. I didn’t expect insurance/government to pay for them. The people that have sex with whomever and whatever obviously does not have any respect for themselves. Men should keep their damn pants zipped and women should keep their panties on. Maybe I am a snob but have some morals. If a person wants to have sex anytime they want, then be responsible and use birth control. This should not even be a governmental concern. Ye gods, If a man or woman is irresponsible, then they pay the price. The problem with this is if the woman gets pregnant, it is usually the child that pays the price for the ignorant behavior of a chosen few that want to play the game but not reap what they sow. I am from the old school, a person’s reputation used to mean something. Nowadays it means nothing. If a person acts like trash, then they are trash.

    • Mad Dog

      Good for you Claire, and good for Old School. We must continue to place that same high regard on a person’s reputation. We dishonor everyone as soon as we lower the bar.

    • KT

      Wow. Talk about holier-than-thou. I’ve found that the holier-than-thou crowd are usually the ones in the most denial about their own ugly sinfulness. Pride is one of the seven capital sins, just as much as lust.

      • Mad Dog

        KT, I think you misinterpreted Claire’s post. She states an opinion that is based on her background and personal experience. This is something we ALL do; or else we’d have nothing to post about. I sensed NO “Holier-than-thou” attitude or implication from her. On the contrary, I’m forced to question why YOU are so very defensive ? Hmmmmm ?

        • KT

          Really? Well, perhaps I was a little harsh. I just find it interesting that people focus on contraception and condemning Fluke as a whore when it’s the whole plan they object to. Do the people on this site not mind paying for other people’s diabetes treatment, or other people’s Viagra? Of course they mind. So why the obsession with this one subject? Just asking..

          • Mad Dog

            KT, you raise a very valid point. Ms. Fluke is no more credible or relevant than was Joe the Plumber. I’ve not seen a post that actually addresses this aspect – so I’ll do it now:

            I am not a fan of Nancy Pelosi. I’m probably her BIGGEST non-fan. I’ve watched (nay studied) her for years and she genuinely scares me. She doesn’t scare me personally – she’s small, old, incredibly liberal and not very bright. BUT people (other Liberals) respect her, they keep re-electing her, she rose to become Speaker of the House — TWO spots away from President of the United States. That’s Scary!!!

            Okay enough about Nancy. I have never known her to do anything good or right. She was the main instigating in bringing Fluke before the House. That’s all I need to know. Nothing else about Fluke matters. Nothing she said (as Nancy’s parrot) matters. Nothing our knee-jerk apologist POTHUS said matters. Nothing in this thread matters. It is all nothing but a giant Pelosi-ism.

            So I agree, KT, too much has been said about Fluke.

      • http://none Claire

        KT– No, I am not holier than thou, and I don’t pretend to be anyone other than what I am. And I am not a prude. Society is different from 50 years ago, nothing is the same. I was married to the same man for 52 years and we had respect for each other, we had a good marriage and I am thankful for that. To me, a person could not have much self-respect if they conduct themselves like rabbits. If people were more responsible, maybe abortion would become a non-issue. Instead, AIDS , STDs, and abortion remain problems in our society. Perhaps responsibility for one’s actions would do away with these tragic issues.

      • http://none Claire

        Mad Dog–thank you for your courtesies. You explain my comment well.

      • Libertytrain

        claire – I agree with you. We paid our own way with regards to birth control and I certainly don’t get why these folks it should be paid for by the government and I have no idea where KT is coming from, she can stand at the pharmacy and pay all these gals bc bills if she wishes….

      • Joe H

        Claire,
        I’m so glad to see your common sense approach in these posts. I get too angry. can’t help but wonder if KT and karen have both had a bad experience in their life and are channeling it onto all of us!!!

      • Joe H

        KT,
        One thing to you and your post. Birth control os about a POSSIBLE health issue. May you NEVER have diabetes like I have. I take 50 units of lantus insulin, 4 metformin, 1 actos, and 1000 units of vitamin for my diabetes every day. I do this to live. these girls want bc to avoid a problem that MIGHT happen, MIGHT! My wife and I pay for our health insurance and that in turn pays for my diabetes meds. i don’t ask the government to pay for it. To compare the two is the heights of ignorance!!

      • http://none Claire

        JoeH–I read your post concerning the medications you take. I saw something on TV about Actos–better check it out. Sorry, I don’t remember what it was about but it concerned law suits. Be careful. I had to watch the meds all the doctors gave Bob. It was a nightmare. One doctor would prescribe a medicine with a low dosage, then the next week another doctor would prescribe the same medicine but only a larger dose. And they never communicated with each other. I can honestly say that hospitals and dpoctors scare the hell out of me now more than anything else in this world.

      • http://none Claire

        New way to spell dpoctors—”doctors” lol

      • Joe H

        Claire,
        I knew what you meant, no prob!! yeah, I know about the actos and am testing regular for it. It is one of the few things that work.

      • http://none Claire

        libertytrain–speaking of pharmacies—I remember one of the times that I got Bob out of the hospital and we stopped at CVS to fill his prescriptions. Bob stayed in the Jeep and I went in to get the meds. An elderly couple (older than Bob and I) were at the counter getting their meds. The woman was obviously upset–she said to her husband “we can’t afford $400.00.” Her husband replied “don’t worry, honey, we will get by.” I will never forget that–this type of scenario bothers me a hell of a lot more than the wrangling about who is going to pay for birth control pills. Birth control is the responsibility of all human beings. if they choose to be careless, and do not protect themselves and their partners, than these people should pay the consequences. I am sick and tired of abortions that should never happen, the little children suffering because of people lacking responsibility and thinking only in “the heat of the moment” and then expecting others and the government to pay for their mistakes. It is time for some people to grow up and face reality. Life is not a bed of roses–for the most part, life is what a person makes it. (My comments target the subject of irresponsible sex.)

      • Libertytrain

        Claire – I agree with you. With all the openness about sex everywhere you look, there really shouldn’t be a problem. How to prevent pregnancy is talked about everywhere, all the time. I frankly don’t get why there is a need for so many abortions. Not getting pregnant is really quite simple. Self-control is really not difficult – particularly if that was taught to folks along with the preventatives for pregnancy…. Of course I have no idea why this whole thing has been developed around women – even men on this site have said they wouldn’t wear a condom… for reasons like it was like wearing a glove, etc (how ignorant and self-centered is that???). I do believe that once again, women have gotten the shaft over time, men should be required to take some sort of sperm control as well – :) It’s really ludicrous if any one thinks honestly about it– that the brunt of this has fallen on women….when they are only 1/2 the problem….

      • http://none Claire

        libertytrain–And I agree with you. If blame is to be placed, it should be placed squarely on the shoulders of men as well as the women. It takes two to tango as so to speak, and neither gender are solely responsible. Womens’ rights? I am all for equal pay, equal everything. If I do the work of a man, I expect the same pay, etc. And IF I get the same pay, then it should be expected of me to do the work. In view of all that is happening in this world, we all share the responsiblity in making the world a better place to live in. Men and women alike should do what they humanly possibly can to eliminate the problems (if possible) that they cause for themselves, and think of the consequences rather than thinking only of themselves Sadly, the problems at hand will continue because there are people in this world that will continue their paths of self-destruction, and nothing anyone can do will help them change their ways. It will just go on and on and the taxpayer will keep paying for these mistakes.. Gads, I sound like a preacher. I don’t mean to since I know I am far from perfect, I don’t pretend to be. I have made mistakes, I just thank God they weren’t major ones. I haven’t always made the correct decisions, but dang it, I have tried. All human beings have “good” in them, it is simply up to that person to cultivate that goodness, not the bad. The choice is theirs, it is up to them.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Claire, good posts. You bring a balanced perspective to the discussion. I agree, things get a little heated-up, here, so its good, and of profit, to have you jump in, and cool things down a bit. I should also like to offer you my deepest condolences for your loss. By the way you speak of your hubby, he must have been quite the man. If its any consolation, he lives on in your heart; and i’m quite sure, you’ll see him again! Stay well…

      • http://none Claire

        Jay–Thank you for your kindness. My husband was my heart., he was a good honest man and he was good to me. Fifty-two years that simply flew by. I have dealt with many different issues during my lifetime, and I have to admit this is by far the toughest one of them all. Even though one knows it is going to happen, one is never prepared. It is a void that will never be filled. You betcha I will see him again. I am counting on it!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        That’s the spirit, Claire. That is the kind of spirit that will sustain you, and carry you through! I have lost people in my life as well, and the pain, sense of loss, the emptiness at times, unbearable. It took some time before i could look at photos, videos/film, without emotionally disintegrating. Be sure to surround yourself with the people your husband left an indelible mark upon. It is trough you, and them, that your husband will be more accurately expressed, and represented. It will be as if he never left, and the certainty of your re-union with him; a matter of fact! May God bless you, and keep you, Claire!

  • jeff coleman

    What a bunch of childish gibbersh from all of you.Sex should not be subjudised. And standing by an elected President is our duty even if we on’t agree with thier policies remember it goes through Congress and the Senate. Bush both and Old Ronnie weren’t mt favorites either guns for drugs and starting wars that we can’t afford.Next burning anyones holy book is inviting trouble and makes fanatical enemies try burning a Jewish holy book and see how fast an apology has to come .P.S. Tell Rush Limbaugh to ease up on the meds he’s drippling again.

    • Mad Dog

      Jeff, I think you contradicted yourself. “Sex should not be subsidized” ?? I agree with that statement but you must understand that the “elected President that you so adamantly stand by” would have us do JUST that – subsidize sex. Would you care to rethink or repost?

    • Karen H in MN

      Jeff—you hit it square! Keep up the fight. I can’t understand why seemingly nice people, like you or Karolyn, and others would go on this site!! MEAN…so mean.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Karen: I can’t understand why seemingly nice people, like you or Karolyn, and others would go on this site!! MEAN…so mean.

        Several reasons; you’re losers, are addicted to losing, you love punishment, and we enjoy kicking your weak a$$es!

      • Libertytrain

        Jay, this “gentle” leftist being is the one and only person I have ever seen actually use the “c” word against a woman on this site….I’ve never seen it used period in my 2.5 years enjoying this site. I’m still in shock how uncouth and foul she is.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Some peoples kids, Libertytrain, i tell ya…But what sort of parents could give birth to such a beast, as this; consumed with so much hate, self-loathing, and despair? She’s liken to a trapped animal, desperately gnawing at her paw, to break free from the trap’s, deathly grip! The level of her psychological disfigurement, i agree, is quite startling!

        • Karen H in MN

          WTH????? Are you talking about? What in anything I said, other than fighting back to some of your guys sarcasm and meanness makes you think that I am all of the things written below???

          Your written words….Some peoples kids, Libertytrain, i tell ya…But what sort of parents could give birth to such a beast, as this; consumed with so much hate, self-loathing, and despair? She’s liken to a trapped animal, desperately gnawing at her paw, to break free from the trap’s, deathly grip! The level of her psychological disfigurement, i agree, is quite startling!

          You are one sick puppy and you have a few “friends” on here that think kust like you. I can’t make these damn things stop coming to me. So I picked ONE out to see what you all were still bitching about and nothing’s changed in TWO DAYS! Get over it!

          PEOPLE can’t you see that this isn’t even healthy for you to read the crap they spew, day in and day out. It must be giving you all a real jolly to have a newbie like myself check in so you can hammer your mean on someone new. You people need to get a life. trust me, there are better things than this site!!!!!!!! I WILL get these stopped, so you can save your little ferocious fingertips from typing more mean and absurdity about me as I won’t see it. but trust me, this has not hurt me, just sickened me to see there really are such spiteful, hateful people IN BUNCHES out there. HOW OLD are you people? You act and respond like 12 year olds bullying in middle school. I do know that you are a bunch of old farts with nothing better to do.

          I am not speaking of all of you. “THEY” know who I mean….Jay and Joe, and FF and….
          I am sure this is not what the person that started this site was hoping it would be.

          Toodles…gotta run…a nice person is calling.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Hey Karen, i thought you said you were leaving; what happened? Admit it, you love us, and you can’t stay away from us! Besides, where else can you go? Who you kiddin, you got no place to go. No Karen, stay here; at the very least, you might learn something. As for the black-eye, and bloody nose? Don’t worry, they’ll heal! LOL!

      • Libertytrain

        March 3 8 43 am – a comment reply under this article – your words…

      • Libertytrain

        you’re attributing to me things I didn’t write— AGAIN…….. You really need to look at who wrote the post before you write these things. You carelessly ranted at me the other day for something I didn’t write…when it was one of your own left libs that made the post…

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      jeff, drink much kool-aid?

  • Stan Smith

    Here’s The Transcript, Of the Fluke gal speech! You decide if she saying we the tax payers should be paying for her needs! I don’t want to pay for her needs it’s her own responsibility not ours!
    http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/02/23/transcript-sandra-fluke-testifies-on-why-women-should-be-allowed-access-to-contraception-and-reproductive-health-care/

    • Joe H

      Stan,
      that just blew the arguement that SHE is gay right out of the water. It’s her FRIENd that is gay. And her testimony that the girl said she won’t be able to give her mother the grand babies thatshe “desperatly” wants is bull. i’ll be tif her mom told her that she “desperately” wanted her to be straight, she would tell her mom to go to he!!. when her mom found out she was gay, she probably gave up all hope of EVER having grand children!!

  • George

    This whole mess is nothing but a sham, a subversion from the real issue – that religious organizations are being forced by the government to go against their own religious beliefs. When you can’t win the argument legally (because it is definitely against the First Amendment) you (the current administration) create this distraction and all the sheeple forget to look at the anti-Constitutional directive and become focused on one more person expecting an entitlement. I am very surprised that Rush took the bait. He should know better by now.
    By the way, she is not entitled to free (or greatly reduced) contraception unless it is a medical issue, just as Viagra, etc. should not be entitled unless there is a medical issue. There is no such thing as “free”, everything costs something, especially freedom. Will we ever return to self reliance and self responsibility?

    • Karen H in MN

      George—she was fighting for the rights of ALL women to receive the same insurance benefits that any other employee gets. She wasn’t fighting for herself to get free contraceptives because she was poor and didn’t want to abstain from sex. This isn’t about sex. It is about fairness. It is about EDUCATING some of the idiots out there (you?) that want to take away the right of the women to have the kind of insurance they need. These pills/contraceptives are not used only for preventing babies. They are used for so many other female issues, some starting when girls are still in puberty. Are you arrogant phony do-gooders going to raise all of the unwanted babies that could come of this? No? I didn’t think so. Abortions would increase enormously. All of that for what? For employers with their new found consciences to judge their employees, and REGULATE their lives? You RIGHTIES never want any regulations. If you all keep writing these hateful and judgemental posts I will hope that you all will live in areas where the water is un-safe, the houses you live in crumble, the banks screw you til you’re broke, the schools your kids go to have the worst teachers…I could go on and on of course…but you get the drift. W/O regulations this country would be like any other country. But it’s not. It’s better and due in large part to regulations like it or not. Just like paying taxes keeps the country’s infrastucture sound, the water safe, as well as the policemen and firemen….etc etc etc

      • Joe H

        Well, karen, due to personal responsibility, it’s a little too late to wish that on me. Due to personal responsibility, my house is paid for, in an area of decent schools, my kids are responsible as well, so I just don’t see that happening. My oldest is at a job that she has had for three years and they NEED her. my youngest is just about finished with college at 21. She had her associates before she finished high school! She worked DAMN hard to get where she is and you better bet I’m damn proud of her. My son, on the other hand, is handicapped and we take care of his needs. It’s called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!! I know you progs don’t like those two words but you should get aquainted with them!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        What planet are you from, Karen? We’re over regulated as it is, you fem-bot; what you’re suggesting is absolute, Government/Corporate control! Sorry, can’t help you.

      • http://none Claire

        Karen H in MN– Be careful what you wish for–especially if you wish ill upon another person. These ill wishes sometimes have a way of backfiring. They will nail you instead.

  • Karolyn

    I just have to say that this really brought out the sleaze in a lot of the male posters here (and even a couple of women!) today. It just goes to show that you really don’t know who you’re debating with here. Although I am often disappointed by the lack of civility here, this takes the cake. I even sent an email to Bob Livingston to complain about some of the more disgusting posts. You guys (and you know who you are) do nothing to promote your cause of conservatism and Christianity. As far as Christianity is concerned, I did not see much “love thy neighbor” displayed today at all except for the more liberal posters.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Karolyn: As far as Christianity is concerned, I did not see much “love thy neighbor” displayed today at all except for the more liberal posters.

      What you meant to say; As far as Christianity is concerned, I did not see much “love thy neighbor’s debauchery” displayed today at all except for the more liberal posters.

      Btw, have you read your dear friend jopa’s post. I do believe, she/he/it, is a liberal?

      • Karolyn

        Come on, Jay, did you not read some of the disgusting posts that were posted today? Totally uncalled for and unchristian personal degrading insults.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        The liberals are not excused, Karolyn; i have read their post’s, as well. They are nothing short of self-righteous, hypocrites!

      • Karolyn

        Jay – They pale in comparison to someone ridiculing my sex life.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        The egregious level of an insult, is for the receiver to determine. I suggest you grow some skin, Karolyn!

    • DavidL

      Again, Karolyn, I am coming to appreciate you more and more. Unfortunately for many on this sight, and a few conservative friends of mine, their partisanship has blinded them to anything that remotely approaches objectivity and fairness.

      Reforming our healthcare system (we really do not have a system, we have a market) which gives people incentives to engage in preventative healthcare saves money and, most importantly, saves lives. Apparently, since the reforms come from a President and party from the “other” side, all things must necessarily be evil. Ignorance kills.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Gee, DavidL, how did you come up with that analytical, and insightful, observation? Would i be hurting your sensitive, liberal, self-righteous disposition, if i were to tell you, that you are merely, projecting? Hypocrite!

      • Karen H in MN

        David L “ain’t” that the truth…since it comes from the ‘other’ side AND from a President, ESPECIALLY President Obama…it’s got to be wrong, a mistake, not lawful, yada, yada.
        Preventative health care would save so much money and better yet, so much misery and worry. IF the righties had been willing to aid in the decisions we could have a wonderful healthcare system up and running. Now people—don’t jump on the bandwagon and tell me that it was ALL done behind closed doors. All you righties had to do was open the door…President Obama would have been more than willing to listen. He almost lost his own supporters because he was bending so far backward trying to include you! But good ol’ McConnell made the statement right up front…”My main objective is to see to it that Obama is a one term president.” and from then on it was all NO and flibusters from the right. Boehner and his little clan would all gather around the podium. Boehner would say whatever he was told to say by Cantor and McConnell, and all of the rest would just nod and grin. It was almost funny had it not been so pathetic.

      • Joe H

        Jay,
        Give it up, friend. As long as Odumberer will give these progs what they want at taxpayers expense, you will never change their mind!!! They are of the “giverment” crowd!!! The two words “personal responsibility” Scare the living hell out of them!!! times acomming, though, Just look at Greece if you don’t believe it. They don’t believe it can happen here. We are only a short walk away from it NOW!!!

  • jopa

    I remember when Bob Dole was doing those bestiality commercials for Viagra.Remember when he was watching the young girl on TV after taking Viagra and his dog started to get up off the floor,Then he used his line in the commercial “Down Girl”He was ready to jump on his dog.It also looked like a pedophile commercial come to think of it, but that seems okay with the Conservatives until it’s their own daughter.No outcry over this commercial but now Congress passed a bestiality bill for themselves.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      jopa: but now Congress passed a bestiality bill for themselves.

      Yes, and with Obama’s full approval. I knew there was something weird about Obama!

      • Joe H

        BING BING BING BING!!!!!!!

  • http://Yahoo mikey

    why do you libs. want all of everyones money?

    • Karen H in MN

      WE DON’T!! (want your money) other than the FAIR amount of taxes, you can all keep every dollar you have made! I could care less what you people do with your dollars. FOX channel, as you cannot call it news, and their ‘employees’ ,because they can’t be called reporters, are the people that fill your heads with these stupid statements. They are fear mongers, LIARS in many instances, and love nothing more than to work people up into a frenzy. and you all follow like sheep and spew hatred on sites like this.

      It only SEEMS like we want your money, because you might feel guilty about being so extremely self centered, self serving, and selfish. We LEFTIES tend to ever so much more care about the little guy. Thus we ask for funding for programs to help those with less (like the MIDDLE CLASS) that have gotten screwed for the last twenty years! It’s not even the poor that need the president to be concerned about because that middle class group has fallen down to the poor list thru no fault of their own. Their wages have flat lined but everything has gone up in price. That’s how the wealthy REPUBLICANS are getting wealthy. They jack the prices up, keep the employees at low wages, want tax breaks every time they turn around, and then wonder…”WHY DON’T THEY LIKE US? WHY DO THEY HATE US BECAUSE WE HAVE MONEY? WHY DO THEY ALWAYS WANT OUR MONEY TO GIVE TO THE POOR…when asked for a fair tax raise for them. You arrogant a**holes that are on this site are hated by so many people, just because of your arrogance…not your money!!!

      • FreedomFighter

        Uninformed jibberish with a political twist of preteen whine. You said nothing added nothing supported nothing clarified nothing

        How many times must it be said:

        Nobody wants to pay for others birth control, and it violates the 1st ammendment of the constitution.

        You want to do the dirty, pay for it yourself girly.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Just another idiotic, indecipherable, liberal post! Its a wonder these people have figured out, how to turn a computer on. Now, if they could just write something intelligent, and pertinent to the discussion, that would would be even more wonderful!

      • Joe H

        karen,
        NOPE! I don’t feel the least bit guilty! you know why? I was paying “my fair share” before you were crapping yellow in your diapers!! guilty???? don’t make me laugh!!

  • Karen H in MN

    WOW! You “RIGHTIES” are the meanest people as a bunch that I have ever known of. You cannot make a statement w/o some mean spirited, name calling added in and . To bow down to a scum bag like Limbaugh and give him any credence is totalling freakin’ unbelievable. Don’t you people have brains in your head? To allow a pig like that, that doesn’t even KNOW what he is talking about, give you folks advice just blows me away!

    and religious businesses are NOT being asked to dispense the pills to their employees, nor are they telling people they have to USE the contraceptives. Santorum got all of you do-gooders all worked up into a frenzy over WHAT?! These places had supplied their employees with THE INSURANCE that is rightly theirs as their benefit FOR YEARS
    ………20 yrs. 30 yrs. but TODAY it’s an issue?! Give me a freakin’ break! This came in to being because ALL women have the right to the insurance programs that any/all other employees get. The fact they use it to purchase contraceptives, (which IS allowed as a medication on all insurance policies) IS NONE OF ANYONE’S BUSINESS!! PERIOD. and because it is so widely used by women of all ages and walks of life…it was being offered free. You people act like it is a SEX pill. Viagra is a sex pill! Contraceptives are used for so many ailments as well as birth control. My daughter and then her daughter both were put on the pill YEARS before they were ever sexually active because it helped with their painful periods. and before the Catholics ever start sqwaking about anything like the pill, they need to look at the pedophiles they have in their churches and higher!! The pill also avoids thousands of abortions. Think of the amount of UNWANTED babies that would be born w/o the contraceptives! Are the churches and the REPUBLICANS willing to raise them all?! Prevention is certainly better than either of those choices. Get SMART not STUPID. I haven’t called people near enough vile names, nor have I put anyone down to the point anywhere near what you RIGHTIES do, but at least I said a few things that just
    P*** ME OFF about “YOU PEOPLE”. Arrogant, arrogant, arrogant. It’s a shame.

  • Neil Swan

    I’ve got a notion Ben Crystal is like Rush Limbaugh, he just says what the millions of stupid people that listen to him want to hear. So he can make bucks.

    Neil

    • Karen H in MN

      They are like sheep…and would jump off a cliff if Rush told them to. It’s a freakin’ joke

      • Joe H

        And if the pres told YOU to kiss his patoot, you would jump to it!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Neil: I’ve got a notion Ben Crystal is like Rush Limbaugh, he just says what the millions of stupid people that listen to him want to hear.

      I guess this would include the two of you, as well, since you are both here listening; like a couple of Hypocrites!

  • Karen H in MN

    Karolyn—I am soooo on your side! keep up the good fight. I hope you go to some of the more liberal sites as you can actually converse and there isn’t the mean spirit like this site has. This IS AWFUL!! Is it always this vile?

    I don’t believe you’re stupid. Stupid people generally don’t comment on sites like this (although questionable, I admit) . Why the RIGHTIES have to be so mean…I just don’t get it. They are always on the defensive. if you get into a conversation with them, they quit stating any facts, and simply say…you’re stupid, uniformed, gullible, or some such statement. They DON’T HAVE a valid argument…It is all raw feelings not facts that they deal in…or so it seems. When it comes to judging and name calling the RIGHTIES take the cake! They win! They’re the best at being mean! BULLIES!

    • Karolyn

      Amen, Karen! I’ve been posting here for almost 2 years, and I must say I have learned a lot. There are some very knowledgable people here and some very nice people also. My views on some issues have been swayed or clarified. Unfortunately, one has to deal with the others who would rather say something rude, angry, denigrating or obnoxious than say nothing at all.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Karen: Karolyn—I am soooo on your side! keep up the good fight. I hope you go to some of the more liberal sites as you can actually converse and there isn’t the mean spirit like this site has. This IS AWFUL!! Is it always this vile?

      I disagree, i have been on liberal sites where freedom of speech is not allowed. Unless your post’s are in-line with the status-quot, they are simply deleted. This, of course, is unacceptable to me, and i consider it to be far worse than foul language. But it begs the question; if this site is above your moral standards, why are you here? Do you like wallowing in the mud? Me thinks you do! Which exposes you two for what you really are; hypocrites!

      • Karen H in MN

        FreedomFighter Mr Semper Fi…some people are or have been in the Marines Corp, and some ARE MARINES. You were in the Marine Corp. Marines that know who they are don’t need to “brag”? with the Semper Fi added to everything. Don’t you get tired of typing that every time?

        YOU AND JAY are mean spirited blowhards. The kind that call liberals all idiots, or say we are uninformed, or naiive, or gullible if we don’t agree with your opinion of things. I was told to never try to argue with people that think they know everything, just work hard to make others not believe them! That’s what I will be doing with you two. I have called more names in these writings today than I ever have in all of my posts. It’s hard to keep up with all of your nasties. Exchanging with you two is futile. Not worth my time. When I am on the Liberal sites, the Righties that put in their two cents worth are much more civil and open to listening. I guess that’s why they are there. To hear the other side. That’s why I am here, but all I hear is rude and mean. I think I just might come to hate you if I kept listening to you, and life is waaay too short to waste it hating and angry. So toodles.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Karen: The kind that call liberals all idiots, or say we are uninformed, or naiive, or gullible

        We are simply stating facts, Karen. If you don’t like facts, i suggest you don’t read the posts. Btw, you forgot to add feminists to your list!

        • Karen H in MN

          Jay, Maddog, FreedomFighter…whoever…you can raise your flags….I will not be participating in this site any longer. All you people do on here is put each other down…welll at least that is what the handful of you do. You know who you are. In
          the literal hundreds of posts that I read yesterday I learned NOTHING. Those that
          tried to make sense in a statement were so blasted from all sides, by those same
          few listed above. Nothing can be gained by this site. I TRIED to be the queen of mean
          back at ya, but that gave me such a gloomy, sad, feeling. i am not like that. The Sarah Palin “C” word got the attention of you all. I just repeated what someone had written. I don’t “USE” that word either…but, admittedly, I have no love for Palin. She is an opportunist. Good for her..I guess you people would call her a true blue Capitalist. She
          IS very attractive, I’ll give her that.

          I put the UNSUBSCRIBE to everything for this site last night, but I am still receiving your angry posts. Eighty or so I would guess. and in re-reading maaaybe 25 of them before deleting them all, just now….NOTHING good came of it. This is like Las Vegas where it is “place your bets here”, except on here it is “place your bitches here”. NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE. You nice folks would serve yourselves better by checking out
          some of the other sites. Your decent comments fall on angry ears here.
          Just saying….

          • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

            oh dear missy….wasn’t it you who used the most foul, uncouth word I have yet to see posted on this site after two and a half years — the repulsive “c” word sometimes said at women by unintelligent slimey, classless people…. oh yes. It was… What’s that? It’s ok if you do these things you don’t want others to do – of course it is…. :)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Good riddance, Karen. After you leave, we’ll be sure to fumigate this site of your of feminist poison!

      • Joe H

        Jay,
        Nah!! She’ll be back. she can’t collect her pay if she doesn’t do a whole shift!!!! Like a bad penny, she’ll keep showing up!

  • old hillbilly

    In a free country you can buy almost anything you want and no one can take it away from you… right???????? No one can force you to work for them & you don’t have to work if you don’t want to. Because of liberalite lawyers & the ACLU – IT AINT FREE ANYMORE!

    If you have a power to take something I worked for, Then I must have the power to make you work and produce something I want at the price I want! If you don’t like my price, go somewhere else – get a damn job, quit law school, and earn the MONEY. Do without or PAY THER CONSEQUENCES, if you don’t like it – hundreds of millions of us do EVERY DAY! If you can make me work all day for a bottle of your pills, then you work all day for me doing whatever I want YOU TO DO – my rules, if you don’t like ‘em, don’t take what I worked for!

    It sounds like a WHORE-MOAN problem, easily resolved by becoming a producer rather than a parasite!

    When you have your hand in my pocket, I have a right to do what I want to you, if either one of us is FREE! When you get out of school & pass the bar (if it ever happens) the payback needs to be hour for hour – bring your own toilet bowl cleaner, slop bucket for the pigs, & gloves to haul hay bales. Get over the freebee BS or get ready for some real work!

  • old hillbilly

    She’s free to buy all the birth control pills she wants – no one has denied her that right! There are old folks out there getting $500/mo SSI, who can’t buy the meds they need for survival. We have millions of low wage earners working 2 and three jobs PAYING TAXES, trying to feed families, unable to pay for any medication or healthcare, and going under financially… People of all IQ’s who simply couldn’t afford a “profession”, college, or in some cases high school!

    Here we are, a person who apparently made it all the way through high school, college, and with enough “IQ ability” to be in “law school”, someone who has spent a ton of money learning how to pervert Constitution & law demanding all these poor people and anybody else who works to pay for her birth control pills and enough for every other woman and girl in the USA! The money comes from taxation and it goes to the global “pharm” monopoly to feed government corruption!

    The real issue is forcing millions of people to violate their religion to support birth control and abortion! It’s just one more piece of legal garbage coming out of a progressive diploma mill, trained, focused, and intent on destroying what little is left of a Constitution that guarantees freedom.

    Slut doesn’t apply to this scenario… its evil of Biblical proportions!

  • Ad Deum Qui Laetificat

    It looks like most have bit the hook on this one. What we should be pointing out is that this is just ANOTHER step in the quagmire of obamacare. THIS is what happens when elected MORONS sign multi thousand paged bills that they’ve never even looked at. Obama picked a subject that he knew would get the libbers panties (or jockey shorts) ruffled. Forget their ridiculous demands. This crap sells papers. Frankly Charlotte, I don’t care how many times you have sex between classes, I just don’t want to pay anything for ANY of it.
    obama threw the gauntlet at the Catholics and his firestorm is spreading. barak mussolini just magnifies the inequities of his unconstitutional bill and his despotic methods of enforcement against some, all the while EXEMPTING thousands of groups, labor unions, geographical areas, congress, politicians, DC and White House Employees and so on. OBAMACARE is CORRUPT, INEQUEQUITABLE, and is being used as a weapon against Catholics, Christians, Jews and other people of conscience. This ongoing controversy is not an accident. It is the continuing application of obama,ayers,emanuel and the other socialists in Chicago and DC on the rest of the country.

    • Mad Dog

      Plus, it keeps everyone’s minds off the high gas prices, high unemployment, high national debt, Afgans killing Americans, paying $3Million to get our ambassadors out of Egypt, $750,000 for soccer fields in Guetmo, yadie, yadie, yadie.

      It is just one more example of the “Tail Wagging the Dog”. Great flick – watch it again. And make no mistake – the Republicans play the exact same games as the Democrats; different sides of the same corrupt (fiat) coin.

      • Joe H

        now on THAT Mad Dog, my friend we find common ground!!! I am in complete agreement!!

        • Mad Dog

          So bottom line, Joe: The Republicans are being out maneuvered by the Democrats. There is SO much bad crap in the world, in this country, in our own White House and on Capital Hill – most of Obama’s administration, secretaries and czars should be lining up for impeachment or even imprisonment; the Dems should be looking to Hilliary to run instead of Obama, and Democrat congressmen should be running as far away from the DNC coattails as possible.

          Instead, the Republicans are arguing about the cost of BC pills; making it a religious thing and alienating voters in nearly every demographic. Joe, we can’t afford – nay, we can’t survive – four more years.

          I think it was you that reminded us that “we can’t force the horse to drink”; and we can’t force a Liberal to think. In an earlier post, I expressed my opinion that we’ve reached critical mass. Though few Americans can be consistently categorized into one or two groups or voting blocks, the number of voters that lean toward progressive, liberal, leftist, socialist, democrats … is growing. The number of people on welfare, food-stamps, subsidized housing, medicaid, disability or any number of other Unsustainable, Unfunded “entitlements” … is growing. This growing block of voters has exceeded 50%. They have the majority; and they are highly unlikely to vote to have ANY of their entitlements reduced; they will in fact elect and re-elect more progressive politicians that will continue to derail our economy and erode our moral fiber.

  • Liztalk

    There is a lot of MISOGYNY here. Misogyny is hatred and discrimination toward women. If you want to hear what it sounds like, listen to Rush Limbaugh, or some of the posters here.

    There is a lot of IGNORANCE here as well:

    Contraception is a HEALTH CARE ISSUE, mostly used for prevention of unwanted pregnancies and family planning. Like any other preventative medicine, it has been determined that contraception is covered under most health care insurance policies. You pay for the insurance policy and then you can get a prescription for contraception and then pay a copay at a pharmacy. Like ANY OTHER drug, birth control pills are part of the coverage at institutions like universities. It doesn’t MATTER that the pill allows couples to have SEX without worrying about pregnancy. Contraception has been determined to be an important part in any health coverage plan – as WOMEN’S PREVENTATIVE HEALTH CARE.

    So if anyone posting here says they “don’t want to pay for a woman’s contraception,” then maybe they should not have any health insurance coverage for themselves, family and children. Just pay for your doctors’ visits and all your drugs without insurance, Pay out of pocket. If you do, then after paying a couple hundred for the doctor’s visit and written prescription, take it to a pharmacy and pay the hundreds or thousands of dollars for your drugs. And if you have children and they get sick… You’re on your own too. Hope they don’t get sick or need any prescriptions.

    The point is – isolating contraception out of total health care – and judging it as something unworthy to pay for – is MISOGYNIST.

    • Libertytrain

      oh dear – what an ego….

    • Joe H

      Liztalk,
      you know, there are many types of birth control, or as you call it contraception. One is ABSTINENCE!! IF YOU DON’T WANT TO, OR CAN’T PAY THE PIPER, DON’T DANCE!!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Joe, to a liberal, what you just advised, is nothing short of blasphemy!

      • KT

        Do you give the good ol’ boys the same advice?

      • Joe H

        KT,
        As a matter of fact, YES! I would tell ANY guy that if they are not ready to assume the duties of father and dad, then don’t dance! If they then do, then I would tell them to take care of their duties as a father and dad!!! I’m not like anything you have ever come into in your liberal life KT, I shoulder my responsibilities gladly!!! That is my way!

    • old hillbilly

      AIN”T NO HATE! Bubba loves good hearted passionate women more’n anything, but would just as soon not mess with those who don’t know one end from the other… any way you want to put it. Like their leaders, obamalites give zip to charities or people with real needs because they can’t handle anyone inflicted with individualism or true charity – got to be “collective”, tightly controlled, and administered by lock step zombies who are programmed to reach in their pocket and pull out whatever they find & put in the collection plate. They make sure nothing of value or use is in the pockets. Forgot the wallet? Take a credit card??

      Like aspirin, laxatives, & pot, birth control isn’t free. If insurance processes the bill, you pay for the pill, processing the paperwork at the RX , the Ins/co, and the bundles of paper insurers send to you, so you can see how much “free” benefits you got. And so it is, your dollar bag of pills gets $10+ processing costs added at each step, wherein $31 becomes perhaps $50, maybe even $100 it’s FEDEX’d, by the time you swallow the first pill. Then you forget the pills, party down for the week, get fertilized, don’t know did it, get STD, pass it on to all of the liberal male and female professors, repent & have child addicted to LSD… soon society has millions invested in you, the kid, and everyone in the law school you’re attending!

      Maybe so, maybe not, but the bet is, “she’s a liberal elitist who wants all those red necks and factory people to pay for progressive habits and lifestyle! Tell it like it is…she doesn’t want those nasty little people reproducing, drinking beer, smoking cigarettes, riding bikes with big chested women squeezing his fat little tummy, shooting poor little ducks in the fall, and then killing Bambi, carrying him home on the hood of a junky old pickup, AND then, EATING HIM FOR THE HOLIDAYS!

      Government carries $16 trillion on the official books, another $60 plus trillion “unfunded liabilities” off the books, and no one can imagine what else, and now we have a hootie tootie woman in a hootie tootie elitist law school demanding $3,000 more for herself and 150+ million more females in this country to make sure undesirables don’t reproduce. Seig Heil!!

      • KT

        Considering that it’s the progressives who pay most of the taxes in this country so that the “patriots” can wear shoes and drive on real roads and bridges made of steel instead of wood strung together with string, your comment is ludicrous.

      • Joe H

        Gee, KT, perhaps you could be so kind as to show some PROOF of that??? I mean other than just having to take your WORD for that??? Didn’t think so!!!

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      According to feminist theory, MISOGYNY can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.

      Hmm, well isn’t that interesting, and not at all surprising. Hey Lez, how long have you been a feminist?

      • KT

        Apparently you believe that gender discrimination and denigration of women are good things, “the way things ought to be”, to quote your fat, drug-addled messiah. One question: Do you like being a muslim? I ask this because in many ways, you think like they do.

        BTW, I curious. How many kids lost their lunch money to you?. Bullies like you usually pick on younger, weaker victims, being too cowardly to pick on someone their own size. Is this perhaps to compensate for your :”shortcomings”?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        And apparently, you believe that gender discrimination and denigration of men are good things, “the way things ought to be”, to quote your ugly, hate-filled-messiah, Gloria Marie Steinem. One question: Do you like being a feminist? I ask this because in many ways, you think like one.

        BTW, I’m curious. How many kids lost their family to you, and your feminist sisters? Feminists like you usually pick on younger, weaker victims, being too cowardly to pick on someone their own size. Is this perhaps to compensate for your degenerate lifestyle, lezzie?

        • KT

          My boyfriend, who is by the way a self-proclaimed conservative, will find your characterization of me, lezzie I think it was, amusing. He is also a gentleman who would never think of calling a woman the names that we’ve heard over the airwaves and on this forum. I sincerely regret that I’ve allowed myself to be drawn into this hate-fest. I’ll leave that for the people who live there.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Hey wimpy, if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out!

      • Joe H

        Hey KT, you mean like karen and her “C” word???? Oh, wait, she’s a prog!!!!

  • FreedomFighter

    Watch this and you will know why the demonrats are pushing for free pills– EUGENICS

    Caution this may scare you, its all true

    http://www.youtube.com/user/thealexjoneschannel?ob=4

    Starts a little slow, winds up

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Liztalk

      Free your mind, FreedomFighter! Don’t assume the worst in everyone just because they’re different from you politically!

      Maybe Dems want AFFORDABLE birth control and for it to be covered under health insurance plans because contraception drastically reduces abortion! And because contraception allows for family planning. In other words a couple can decide how many children they want; maybe only two instead of seven!

      OPEN YOUR MIND! Don’t be PARANOID! Fear leads to hate and intolerance!!!

      • FreedomFighter

        Sorry, your view in face of the huge amounts of hard evidence, is foolish.

        Though Im sure many uninformed, are “usefull idiots”.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Karolyn

        Behind every tree is a conspiracy and ALL Democrats are evil!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Liz, if you’re not paranoid, it means that you are not paying close enough attention. It could also be that you are brain-dead! For you, i suspect the latter!

  • Karen H in MN

    Maddog your comments on Healthcare and why it fails as is, through the employers etc. makes so much sense. Why can people out in the real world figure things out to a workable point while the politicians never can. Oh, let me guess…because they are bought out by their special interests of choice?! Is THAT what capitalism is? When we all get the same insurance as Congress votes in for themselves, also their pensions…THEN and only then will I think it’s fair.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003313500892 John Hardman

    Why would I; or any other person with two or more functioning neurons betwixt the ears trust the biggest trickster in the universe (including Houdini). The man is a walking non-stop manipulator of spoken word that to the less swift of wit interpret as Gospel truth delivered my their Faux Massiah.
    Pray for those who are so dispitefully used by a Phony Chicago Neighborhood Organizer.

  • Carl Babcock

    Women wonder why guys don’t want to get married anymore…..with girls like Fluke…’why buy the cow when the milk is FREE….pay for your own pleasure Flukie..

    • Karolyn

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Where are you from? The rate of people living together in “sin” has steadily increased from the 60s on. “Why buy the milk when you can get the cow for free” is an outdated expression by about 50 years. Why MEN don’t want to get married? What a joke! More and more women are opting out of marriage because they can do better on their own!

      • Joe H

        Gee, karolyn, i guess that means my dad didn’t stay married fot fifteen years to my mother, till she died, he didn’t stay married to my step mom for over forty years till he died, my father in law hasn’t stayed married for 65 years this year to my mother in law, and my wife and I haven’t been together for 36 years cuz you say so, right???

  • roadhog

    I’m amazed there’s any one out there paying for birthcontrol pills, condoms or even abortions. My experience since 1969 I’ve personally known three women that have had welfare paid abortions, one in 1968 when abortions weren’t even legal in Minnesota, they flew her to Wisconsin to have one and her daughter ,on Welfare, had one two years ago in Minneapolis. Tax payer funded of course…Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t you able to get condoms and birthcontrol pills from your local school or county clinic, know lots of folks getting theirs there for decades. Some of you folks need to pull your heads out of your butts, your brain isn’t getting enough oxygen to function properly…….Tax payer has been funding this stuff for over 40 years…………….Don’t believe the crap some politician tells you to the contrary………………

    • Karen H in MN

      roadhog—yes they have been paying for contraceptives. They pay for clean needles for drug addicts also. This issue had been settled in the 60s why the hair raised about it all today? Go figure.

    • Mad Dog

      Roadhog, I’m not sure if you’re referring to me as one of those oxygen deprived or not – but here’s my two cents worth: What you say is probably true – but that doesn’t make it right. I will continue to fight for what is right – right for this country, right for the self-respecting, self-reliant, non-entitlement-assuming patriots that continue to “give” more than they “take”. I will continue to fight for the rights of those 47% that actually pay federal income tax, and not for those 53% that don’t. BECAUSE – if we don’t fight for the 47%, their numbers will continue to decline and this country will implode!

    • Mad Dog

      In fact, Roadhog, let me ask you: Are you comfortable with the situations you described that existing in 1968 and 69? Are you comfortable in financing the thousands of abortions that extinguish the life of unborn babies EVERYDAY? You know – it may be their right to kill their own unborn children, and the courts may believe that their decisions aren’t contributing to the decreasing value that American have for the sanctity of life – but I shouldn’t have to pay for a process that I find completely unconscionable, unethical and immoral.

      You know, our government has forced banks to grant loans to Muslims INTEREST FREE, because it’s against their religion to pay or collect interest. Shouldn’t we Christians be cut a little slack here as well. I suspect that most religions (Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.) would find the killing of unborn children immoral and wrong. I’m pretty sure that over 75% of the world’s population accept the Ten Commandments as sacred. Within those Commandments, we are instructed NOT to KILL. I don’t recall anything about not paying interest rates. So yeah, I’m looking to right some VERY old wrongs.

      • Joe H

        Mad Dog,
        I don’t know about Road Hog, but No I didn’t like it but I was in the service at the time and in 1970 went to Nam, so I didn’t have much of a voice at the time. I will say however, I dislike what is happening NOW even worse!!! My Great, great, great, great…..Grandkids will still be paying down this debt at the rate they are spending, IF they don’t go UNDER!!! do I like that?? HELL NO!!!!

        • Mad Dog

          Well Joe, Road Hog hinted at at least one of the problems: Politicians have been lying, deceiving and hiding the truth (about a lot of things) for a very long time.

          I believe there is only ONE thing we know with certainty: We don’t yet know WHAT we don’t know. And we sure as hell don’t know how much it’s going to cost or which generation will be saddled with the debt.

      • Joe H

        no, Mad Dog, I think there’s some other things we know with certainty. we know the government is spending us right down the drain, we know they are getting us involved in too many dips— wars that don’t matter, we know they are trampling all the hell over the constitution, WE KNOW THE ONLY THING THEY CARE ABOUT IS THEIR OWN POCKETS!!! the only two exceptions to this that I know of are RON AND RAND PAUL!!!

        • Mad Dog

          Guilty. Guilty of over-simplifying in an attempt to make a point: “We don’t know what we don’t know”.

          But all your points are well taken; most are beyond reproach or challenge; and all are devastatingly costly. My point is: there’s probably a whole lot more that we don’t even know about.

  • http://Juno.com Korean Vet Ray

    At age of 81, I grew up being taught at home and at school that single “LADIES” did not put out. And since becoming a born again Christian some 40 years ago, my Bible tells me that ALL sex outside of marriage is sin, I must come to the conclusion that did Rush Limbaugh (I hope I spelled his last name right), that any single woman whose sexual activity requires contraceptives in order to avoid pregnancy, is a slut, whether or not she is a prostitute. Period end of statement.

    • Chisna

      So it doesn’t matter to you that what she had to say to congress had nothing at all to do with the use of contraceptives to prevent pregnancy, but had to do with the pill preventing ovarian cysts a friend of hers was having issues with ?
      And even if it did have something to do with preventing pregnancy instead of woman’s health issues, Isn’t preventing a pregnancy better than abortion ?

      • FreedomFighter

        You need to educate yourself, its about you and millions of other women killing your offspring, its EUGENICS, and they even want you to pay for it thru insurance programs.

        Its all a smoke screen to reduce population:

        Alan Watt: The Neo-Eugenics War On Humanity

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7foJ9ad3PM

        They dont need so many workers now, so they want you, and your children to die out.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Joe H

        Chisna,
        Can you HONESTLY say that that will be the ONLY reason that will ride in ON this if it is passed??? I haven’t seen one bill in the last 50 years that only had ONE subject in it. Odumberers health care even has a clause in it that states that all gold sales over 500.00 have to be registered. Now WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH HEALTH CARE????

  • shef

    Is the girl from Chicago? A law studend huh. She will be running for senate or congress. Obammy will give her a job. Im thinking there wont be a president election in 2012. Obama will apoint her to some office.

  • Chisna

    Ben Crystal isn’t funny. He is ignorant. And the Personal Liberty Digest should be embarrassed for putting this kind of thing on their site.

    I’m seriously considering dropping the Digest, as are several other people I know.
    It seems to have really gone down hill fast…..But hey, if you want to pander to morons like
    Rush LImbaugh does, I guess you are free to do so.

    • Stan Smith

      Chisna Even your so called Libtard funny men John Stewart & Bill Maher isn’t funny! They are ignorant Libtards! Don’t worry nobody will miss you! You can go back to your Libtard hate sites like Daily Kos and others! What do you expect you get Libtard trolls attacking this site with their hate so the libtard trolls they do deserved to be attacked with their own dose of medicine!

      • cawun cents

        Reason liberal women dont like the Bible:

        The first story about a woman in the Bible states that a serpent came to her and told her,”You can eat the fruit of the tree in the center of the garden”(a euphemism for calling God a liar),”The reason God doesnt want you to eat from it is because then you would be all knowing like he is(paraphrasing,to be God for yourself)”.

        The temptation is to be your own God.
        To decide the fate of others,who have no ability to decide for themselves because of naivete,or because they havent formed to a better standard just yet.
        Hmmmm.
        To have control.
        To decide over life and death of an unborn Human being.
        If that isnt an example of putting yourself in the position of “god”,I dont know what is.

        But that is exactly why there is an uproar about the current conditions.
        Its about power over others.
        I will take a piece of you to fulfill me.
        It is necessary for you to pay for my decision making process.
        Does anyone find it ironic that folks who hate the concept of God,often want to have power over others to a godlike degree?
        Making you pay for the sins of everyone?What a concept.
        To tax you on your bad habits to prop up the bad habits of others by saying that they are health issues?
        To spend money they do not have,to help those who will not be helped,to protect those who will not be protected,to school those who will not be schooled,to house those who will not be housed,to provide for those who have not provided,to abuse those who have not been abused,to use those who have not been used,To fuse that which cannot be fused,to confuse that which is not confused,etc…..ad infinitum.

        It is about abuse of power that we gather here today.
        Men saying why they dont agree,women saying why they do agree..
        Making an issue of conditions which are already present and defiling our nation,so that one side can be villified and another made virtuous.
        Why?
        To obtain power over all in the name of common decency….a thing we lack sorely in this nation.If we had common decency,there would be no need for power over each other.
        But the fix is in.The source of all the things which aid in our recovery is never discussed.
        Some believe that governing to a higher degree will do it.
        I am very sorry,but my contempt for that last sentence prohibits me form posting my opine on the matter.
        -CC.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      As you are free to leave Chisna. Why hang around and torture yourself; unless, of course, you enjoy torturing yourself? If you don’t like it here, then buzz off; you buzzard!

    • Joe H

      go ahead Chisna. see, this isn’t rush or beck. WE will boycott just as many advertizers as you libbies will to shut it down. Only here, we will boycott to keep it open!!! you progs are too late to shut US up!!!

  • Floyd

    wake the ell up folks. welfare is to help little businesses work,because they can’t pay a living wage and live like dr,lawyers and political thiefs. Corporate America runs America today. If you make money you pay taxes, but corporations don’t pay taxes they pass them on to consumers. The hugh Corporation of goverment is why taxes are so high and why private sector employers can’t compete with public sector which has a far better benefit perk then the private sector. Reagan’s trickle down economy has pushed wall street from 3000 to 12000 on the dow and that equates to large dividends for all.We have the dept of education, EPA,DOE,DOT and so many other offical department of federal goverment because of problems such as the Love canal polution in the (60) and the need to have national highway system that was started in the (50) and was for the national defence system not for the private sector, but public business wanted their share because they paid taxes. There are reasons for contreol and regulations but when a good man starts a good program there are those that have got to use it and make the taxpayer pay for it. If the CBO was to make public the taxes that are given to get farmers not to grow food and industry not to produce and the corporations that get free money every year the public would stage an up rising and all hell would brake loose. Sorry but I forgot we baled out the riches corporation in america and they didn’t even blink when they did business as usual,because this is how it has been forever now they have so much control they don’t even have to hide it. When Reagan ran for 2 term I listened to a guest on the Donahu show which was his last broadcast in his carrer. The guest was the past consumer protection manager that stated that if Americans knew that all the benefit handouts was paying out less in benefits then it took to run just the foodstamp program and that corporatrions would that year get more welfare then all the benefit programs together which includes health care, foodstamps, education loans and public housing. today we witness the public sector and corporate sector draining America.

  • J.M.R.

    if the woman is spending 3000 a year for protection i would say shes a slut

  • http://none Claire

    I read in the newspaper this morning that Limbaugh has apologized. Imagaine that! I will not “pat” him on the back because if a person wants to be technical who is he to cast a stone when he has been married 4 times? But in reality, I don’t care if he has been married 50 times. However, who is he to “put” anyone down? Personally, I think he is an ego-maniac. I have no use for him and his so-called “love for himself.” He is just worried about losing his sponsors. therefore he is backpeddling. I bet this apology sticks in his craw.

    • FreedomFighter

      I bet it does considering he is a smart man an knows he is correct.

      Yet, happy little slaves like yourself embrace the media hype that its womans health, for the good etc etc

      when in reality, its the masters of this system convincing you slaves to commit Eugenics upon yourselves, abort your own children, have no children, death panels for the elderly slaves.

      Your type is convinced your doing good for the earth, when in reality, the masters of this system no longer need so many slaves to obtain there goals, so they are culling you and yours, you are no longer needed.

      Alan Watt: The Neo-Eugenics War On Humanity

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoXxXUtvb0k&feature=related

      Watch all 4 parts, find what a slave/fool you are.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Mad Dog

        FF, you know you are right. I believe most of the people on this thread know you’re right. If anyone spends just a little time with Bob Livingston or similar information outlets, they know you’re right. Those that have not yet awoke to the inevitability of this NWO and their ultimate agendas are the same ones that spend their entire day attempting to discredit the Rush Limbaughs and Fox News’ of the world. I watched “This Week” with George S. – his panel really couldn’t defend Fluke’s position, all they could do is chastise and discredit Rush. Go ahead and shoot the messenger, it doesn’t make the message any less real or critical.

        Ignorance is NOT bliss, but it is incredibly prevalent; sadly amongst the Left it is also contagious. I pity them. They are not stupid people nor are they bad people. Ignorance is not stupidity, ignorance is simply the absence of knowledge. At some point, the Liberals will be forced to see; the knowledge before them will be undeniable; they will be the “dying frogs stuck in boiling water”. So “yes” I pity the fools.

      • http://none Claire

        FreedomFighter–Apparently you are responding to my post. For the record, I am no slave to any so-called talk show host, no politician, nor any political party. I speak for myself, I have my own opinions, and will post them. Who are you to call me a slave? As far as I am concerned, Rush is not worth Bob Livingston’s little finger. Bob Livingston is a man of character, he is not not a big mouth that sees the need to pat himself on the back every day.

      • Karolyn

        The point being made is Limbaugh’s language was inappropriate. The pot calling the kettle black. He’ll say anything to rile up his audience. the worst part of it is that there are so many who will pick up the mantlel and run with it without even thinking about the issue.

      • http://none Claire

        FreedomFighter—”Commit eugenics upon myself? Abort my own children? Have no children? Death panels for the elderly? You are out of line with your comments to me. I married a wonderful man that passed away January 30th and I buried him February 2nd. Get it through your thick skull that I would rather have him here with me again. Hell no, I do not believe in death panels for the elderly. The elderly have a right to live the same as the young people. I have two children that have become reputable adults. I do not believe in abortion, only in cases of incest, rape, and the possible death of the mother. I resent your comments to me. You should think before you shoot off your mouth. You don’t know me nor did you know my husband. So back off, I am not going to put up with put-downs. I have a mind of my own. No one tells me what to think, say or do. As I said, I am no slave to anyone.

      • FreedomFighter

        You didnt watch the vids, obviously, you Clair are being manipulated by the real rulers of this world, as is everyone else, your point of view confirms it.

        Please research what I have provided as a start for your education, then branch to M. Sanger, and many others, then come back and we can converse. I could give you a list but its better to follow your own instincts.

        I am sorry for your loss, good men are as hard to find as good women.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        As well, Mad Dog, ignorance, and ignorant people are frustrating, a nuisance, scary. Why scary? Ignorant liberals, devoid of knowledge, are the useful idiots that tyranny is built upon. What’s even more tragic, they care not, nor are they aware, that they are nothing more then cannon-fodder, expendable; in addition, they compound this oppressive monstrosity/tyranny, by trying to convince the rest, that this is a good thing! Truly lost souls, ignorant, blind, self-absorbed, lacking critical-thinking, and in general, dangerous! Recommendation: Fight them tooth and nail, and provide them, no quarter!

      • http://none Claire

        Everyone chooses to believe what they want. Manipulation? Don’t you think we are ALL being manipulated in one way or another by people that want all of us to believe everything they say? Stupidity? Ignorance? Personally, I don’t notice anyone on this site that I consider stupid and ignorant irregardless of what they post. I will respect another person’s opinion, whether they agree with me or not. When people start calling me names and refer to me as being a ignorant and stupid, then that honks me off. We are all human beings, and NO ONE has the right to belittle and treat others like crap. Besides, who made you judge and jury?
        I will not call anyone stupid and ignorant on this site, but I certainly will stand up for myself, especially when push comes to shove. What I see is a battle of wills, as to who is right and who is wrong. People cannot force others to do what they want them to do, say what they want them to say, and believe as they do.
        There is a lot of brainwashing going on, not only by politicians and the government.

      • Karolyn

        Right on, Claire! So good to have you back!

      • FreedomFighter

        Claire if you refuse to learn the truth than you are ignorant.

        Point of view matters not to the truth, political sides does not matter, your personal opinon does not matter, your will does not matter, actually nothing you said matters, because untill you are aware of whats being done to you, and everyone else you will remain fully ignorant.

        You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make them drink.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Libertytrain

        freedom fighter – Claire is not ignorant…However calling people such because they may hold an opinion you might not share is ignorant.

      • http://none Claire

        FreedomFighter–I believe you should read your own post— I think it also applies to you, don’t you think????

      • Joe H

        FF,
        usually I agree with your posts. Here, I think you have shot yourself in the foot. read a few of Claires posts above and you will see you have been agreeing with her. she doesn’t believe these things should be paid for by the taxpayers any more than you do. her opinion of Rush is hers and she has a RIGHT to that the same as you do. Myself, I don’t see rush as that bad, yet I don’t always agree with him either. Again, friend, read a few of Claire’s posts above and then see if you don’t owe he an appology!!

      • FreedomFighter

        Ok maybe was a bit strong on this.

        /bow

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

  • Winks

    Wow, no wonder conservatives hate schools. They obviously wish to remain ignorant.

  • old hillbilly

    Let’s put it in different words” (Like aspirin, laxatives, pot, & birth control isn’t free.)

    If insurance processes the bill, THEY pay “the pharm” for the pills, then add costs for processing the insurance claims and eventual payments, the buildings, computers, lawyers, politicians, plus the value of money for waiting a month to get paid, etc. – total the costs, add taxes & profits AND pass those ADDED COSTS, TAXES, & INFLUENCE PEDALLING BACK TO YOU! Yes the costs to create and send your personal monthly statements are in that cost and premium, so you can see how much “free” benefits you got.

    Thus a $10 dollar bag of pills gets $10+ processing costs when “pharm” files, when pharm receives $, when insurer process, & when insurer pays, wherein $10 now costs $50, maybe even $100 it’s FEDEX’d! If government is involved, count on doubling or tripling the total cost that will be added to YOUR INSURANCE PREMIUM and/or taxes!

    Lay off the weed for a week & consider, you can pay $10 for the pills OR pay your insurer $50 to write the check for you OR pay $100 for the “pharm” to pay & bring them to your door OR let big bro raise taxes $150 – $200 so you can call it an entitlement or free if you can muster the energy to go get it! If you take home $400, $390 is left after $10 cash or $350 if insurer pays for you or $200 – 300 if government raises your taxes to pay for it.

    Big Bro works for the “pharm. The “Pharm” can’t cut prices because it has to feed “big bro”. Your employer can’t raise prices because Mau’s Mills has slave workers who work for food, plus Mau totes the note on big bro’s mansion. Guess that leaves us on the same field with Mau’s Mills grunts!

    “Predictably, what’s her name will forget the pills, party down for the week, get fertilized by an “occupier who has never worked, get STD, pass it on to all of the liberal male and female professors, repent & have child addicted to LSD… and society will be spending millions to treat you, the kid, and everyone in the law school you’re attending! Seeing it is a liberal problem, why not sterilize all of them – they’ll be happy as butterflies & we can save the world from being devoured by caterpillars! We’re absolutely insane!

  • jopa

    The Rush had four wives and no children Perhaps the drug OxyContin has left him sterile and the world will be blessed because of it.The thousands of pills he had in his possesion when they pulled a drug bust on him left him a little sad and he had to go to re-hab.I noticed he offered up some aspirin for his lunatic rants but wasn’t about to give up his new stash of Oxycotton as it is called on the streets.He has lost many sponsors for such a mean and cruel rant and I hope the rest follow suit.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Wow jopa, you seem to know so much about Rush’s personal life, i just have to ask; Are you one of his ex-wives?

  • Daniel-Christopher

    I think the GOP fell right into the liberal trap,… and took the bait hook line and sinker. This should be about one thing and one thing only. The government has no business being involved in health care issues at all. If the Constitution doesn’t explicitly authorize it, then the government is prohibited from said activity. There is no ‘right’ to health care. Government is not the giver of rights. You were born with certain unalienable right spelled out and enumerated in the constitution. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      With all due respect, Daniel, what you wrote, is nonsensical, at best. The GOP, did not fall into a liberal trap, nor did they swallow any bait. For if you had a clear grasp of the nature of our political circus, you would know, that the GOP conspires, works, hand-in-glove, with the so-called opposition, liberals/democrats/progs. The illusion that there is conflict, a struggle between the two parties, is just that, an illusion, and that, for our benefit. The reality, they both conspire towards the same end; total, tyrannical control, of our country, and its citizens. But there is a furious struggle between the two, to be sure, but not for the reasons you might think. It is in that, both, desperately covet that position!

      You say: The government has no business being involved in health care issues at all.
      If the Constitution doesn’t explicitly authorize it, then the government is prohibited from said activity.

      –Daniel, when was the last time you saw either party conform their actions/policies to that of the letter of the Constitution, excluding, self-serving reasons?

      You say: There is no ‘right’ to health care. Government is not the giver of rights. You were born with certain unalienable right spelled out and enumerated in the constitution. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

      —I think most comprehend, Daniel. Your question should be aimed at our, so-called, Government. But what good is the Constitution, if a authority, that has sworn to up-hold it, not only fails to do so, but plots its destruction? But we have no Government, Daniel, certainly not the type that we should. Far from it, indeed, what we have, and what we are dealing with, is a Corporatocracy! And a Corporatocracy, Daniel, cares not a fig, for the Constitution!

      • Daniel-Christopher

        I am in complete agreement with all your points as well. Very well thought out, and articulated what I was saying, in a much longer form. Thanks, I much appreciated your comments.

    • Pooka

      actually…. the “unalienable rights” of life. liberty, and pursuit of happiness were in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. You make me wonder if you actually have read the document……

      • Daniel-Christopher

        Excuse me for not being precise. Maybe I should have said the ‘founding documents’. Technically you are correct. The Declaration has that phrase not the constitution. The constitution and the bill of rights says nothing about any particular group having any special rights that another doesn’t. I stand on my original statement, that the government is not the the giver of rights. it is there to protect the rights we were born with.

  • jopa

    Jay: That is pretty common knowledge how many wives he had.The leader of the Republican party is pretty much on the news everyday and everyone should know where he sits and blows all that hot air.I still like that jaybird sh–.I still chuckle every time I see your name.You are so precious.

    • FreedomFighter

      Only liberals delve into others personal lives to use as cannon fodder.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Pooka

        It would seem there are a lot of liberals who call themselves (and act like) republicans then.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Thanks jopa, that’s very kind of you; i love you too! Smiley face…

    • Joe H

      jopa,
      seems you are a little mis informed. that “leader of the republican party” title was given to him by a stupid newshawk, he leads NOTHING, except being one of the highest paid radio hosts in America. Perhaps THAT is what irks you so much?? That he is successful while YOU are a little pi$$ant nobody????

  • jopa

    FF; I don’t think Jay bird is a Liberal but thank you for your kindness.

    • FreedomFighter

      Just hit wrong reply link..

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • Shirley

    The young woman from Georgetown was trying to inform lawmakers that females should have their health coverage provide for female hormonal treatment. This treatment is not always used for birth control BUT even it it is used for birth control the woman should have access to the medication if she and her doctor choose the treatment. Why do you object to the woman having that choice? Nobody would be forcing her to use it . The only entities who should be concerned about this are the insurance companies because it might cost them a little bit of money. Why do you want to stand against women and their right to have jurisdiction over their bodies?

    • Claire Weber

      Shirley,
      I think you are missing the entire point of this entire drama. Simply put, women have a right to do what they wish, but please, women need to pay for their own choices and decisions and not expect taxpayers/insurances to pay for it. Every drug has a cost applied, even over the counter meds.

  • sheffield

    Rush for vice president. everytime a liberal tells the truth one of his fall out. Andrew B.was a great man that was murdered because he had alot of bad things on obammy. Tom B. has fooled alot of peropl. Ron Paul for president.

  • Pooka

    I suppose Ben thinks he is funny, but the fact that he had to add a laugh track just shows he isn’t.
    About the Fluke girl… my daughter also has cysts on her ovaries and needs birth control pills to help her with her period. I suppose by Limbaugh’s and Ben’s and some of you other small minded folk’s thinking, that makes her a slut or a whore as well. Pity.
    I wonder if it as obvious to others as it is to me how the right-wing has become more ugly and less intelligent?

    • Claire Weber

      Pooka,
      Sorry about your daughter. However, it seems the major complaint is expecting tax payers to pay for prescriptions drugs for whatever reason they are consumed. I have insurance and still have a copay. So what’s the beef?

  • Bill

    Pooka
    I doubt most of us are complaining about meds needed for things like cysts. But didn’t that get fixed already with Obamacare? Or did that not get into the 2,000 pages. Guess Pelosi and Obama missed women’s health being so focused on bigger governemnt control.
    If you have cysts, then get meds prescribed for cysts. Your insurance should cover that, mine does. Fluke was specifically talking about ALL women at Georgetown. Not the distinct minority with true medical issues.

    And it is the “Right wing” which supports the rights of say a Catholic Hospotal to decide what it provides. And it was the “Left Wing” which now says, under Obamacare, that charity hospitals must provide abortions, and must pay a tax in order to continue being free. So please be sure you are correct in your accusations. Wait,I thought you wanted CHOICE? Or is it just choice in abortion, over say abstienance or religous preference. Gues the Muslims are screwed. Oh no, they are exempt from Obamacare – didn’t you know that? Brokaw et al only mentioned Quakers, but Muslims are exempt too!!! Again, it is the Left which limits our freedoms and personal responsibility.

    • Claire Weber

      Well said.

  • Ted Crawford

    This isn’t a financial issue, birth control costs about $20 a month. This isn’t about a womans right to use birth control, there is no prohabition from them using it as a factor of employment. This isn’t about anyones sexual habits, no one is even asking!
    As a Diest I don’t care about religious values but as an American I do care about the ursurpation of the Constitution. That’s all this is about! It ignores the safeguards provided against the Governments involvement in any Religious Organizations!
    This isn’t rocket science here, it’s more of the “transparency” of this administrations agenda!

    • Claire Weber

      Kudos to you Ted for being right on target.

  • Claire Weber

    Sesame,Karolyn & all other Libs who are in Ms Fluke’s corner.
    What are you thinking? All prescription drugs come with a price, including over the counter drugs whether insurance is involved or not. Since our country is in such a mess, it is my belief that congress and our government should be more concerned with real issues at hand and not spend so much time focusing on Ms Fluke’s self-inflicted notoriety.
    She made her bed, let her lay in it. (No pun intended)

    • Shirley

      Claire: How absolutely true ~ this should not be making major news. So, why is it? I think that this matter should be put to rest. Any business that provides insurance for its employees ( and I wish that EVERYONE had health insurance) should have coverage for women’s health needs. This does not REQUIRE that “birth-control” pills be used ; it just makes the option available to those who choose to use them. The young woman was standing up for her beliefs. Mr. Limbaugh and his kind should not resort to name-calling to disagree with her message.
      Let us focus on Iran, the economy and working together to make America the great nation we want it to be.

      • Mad Dog

        Once again, Shirley, you have indicated that – like most conservatives and all liberals – you have no clue as to how INSURANCES work, and that our Healthcare system is failing BECAUSE it attempts to handle everyday preventive care (like BC pills) as if they were catastrophic, insurable events.

        I have no problem with Ms. Fluke or anyone else using BC pills. I have no problem with her negotiating the cost of this preventive care as part of her benefits package. However, every employer would have the right to deduct that expense from an individual’s overall compensation package. It is an expense that should not be borne by or shared with any other employees, or any other insurance policy holders, taxpayers, or Americans.

        Until you – and the rest of America – wakes up to this fact, our Healthcare system will continue to fail (both Obamacare and Pre-Obamacare). We need to start looking at ALL the “Bigger-Pictures”. Like the $100Trillion in unfunded liabilities and entitlements (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Rx Drugs, etc.) that are UNSUSTAINABLE: our Healthcare system (so called medical insurance) is also UNSUSTAINABLE. But we can’t see the big picture as longer as we’re focused on 31 little BC pills.

        • Shirley

          Thank heavens someone recognizes that our Healthcare system is in disarray !
          However, I doubt that it is feasible to micromanage what specifics each plan should cover, therefore a plan is developed to cover the health needs of most. Perhaps, the insurance industry needs to regulate itself better. Perhaps drug producers need to moderate their costs. Perhaps the medical profession needs to better regulate itself. Medicare and Medicaid need to be carefully monitored. Greed seems to be the nature of man and so he needs to be monitored.
          American citizens deserve quality healthcare because we care about our people. We are a great nation and we should aspire to treat all of our people with fairness. We even declare that we are a Christian nation. The trend to go back to 3rd world country treatment and backwards thinking is not the direction that we should be taking.

          • Mad Dog

            Shirley – from your recent response I realize that I may have been unfair, and apologize for certain assumptions or statements I may have made about you.

            I wonder if ‘micro-managment’ or personalized policies might not be possible; indeed might be beneficial to us – the insured – and even necessary for long-term success. I’d like to explain:

            We currently seem to think that it’s necessary to run our Medical Insurance through our employers (or the government). It isn’t ! Millions of American have Medical Insurance – the concept of ‘group insurance’ or ‘group discounts’ is false; and therefore a blatant lie perpetrated by our employers, the insurance industry and our government. We aren’t dependent on our employer for car insurance, home insurance, life insurance, flood insurance, etc. WHY would Medical Insurance be any different?

            Many people think they couldn’t afford Medical Insurance if it weren’t for their employer. Shirley, you and I both know there is NO free lunch. If our employers weren’t kicking into our insurance premiums, they could increase our salary and wages the exact same amount and let us pay for our own premiums. In fact, once the Medical Insurance system is returned to operating like real business instead of some anti-trust monopolistic fraud, premium costs would go down, and our recently increased salaries would more than cover individual, personalized HC plans.

            When we turned the control (selection, management, costs and benefits) of our Medical Insurance Policies over to our employer we did several harmful things:
            1) We locked ourselves into our employer. We’re afraid to change jobs or start a new company because we’ll loose our current coverage and we may have developed one of those dreaded “pre-existing conditions”.
            2) When we do change employment (for a better position, better location, better pay, etc.) we are forced to change carriers. I’ve had the same car insurance agent for 35 years. I’ve had 6 or 7 different Medical Insurance companies in the same time – AND I NEVER got to know ONE of those agents. (Perhaps my employer knows my agent.)
            3) We allow our employer (a faceless corporate entity) to make all HC decisions for us; decisions that will simplify their efforts, and minimize their overhead. That’s just good business. Consequently ALL competition is lost: Neither the insurance companies, nor the HC providers, not the Pharmaceutical companies are required to compete. Consequently, the entire system and related expenses run wild on our end, while profits run wild on the other end.

            You advocate a “one-size-fits-all” HC plan. I strongly ask you to reconsider. Would the Housing system improved if we all lived in “one-size-fits-all” boxes. Would the Food system improve if we all ate the same thing? Would the Car industry improve if we all drove the same car? ETC. At first blush you may say “Yes they would”. But Shirley, I guarantee you that competition would be lost, quality would suffer, and ultimately prices would increase. Our Russian friends tried it – and it didn’t work.

            Everything else you said is absolutly correct. Drug producers should moderate their costs, medical professionals should better regulate themselves, Medicare and Medicaid should be more closely monitored. Greed has become the nature of ‘corporate’ man. And American citizens deserve better. AND we can get ‘better’. To do so we must completely abandone the Socialistic Medical System we currently have and embrace a truly FREE-ENTERPRISE, truly CATASTROPHIC Insurance model with NO corporate or government influence.

          • Shirley

            Mad Dog:
            I see much logic in your comments BUT darling boy you give too much credit to a “free” society. Not everyone is capable, financially or otherwise, to negotiate for, nor navigate through, the murky waters devised by those who only want to profit from the ‘customer’. I am a retired educator who has a satisfactory state sponsored health care plan (paid into for 30 years by my school system and me). I could never have afforded the plan that I have, if I had not been a member of a large group. I am grateful for it everyday. I would be dead today without it. My children, grandchildren, friends and community profit from my presence. My son who owns a small business has recently had to drop his health-care plan because of the bad economy. My daughter who was a waitress has become sick and may have liver cancer. She has no health-care insurance. . . and on and on . . . There are far too many hard working Americans who cannot afford health care insurance. There MUST be a solution to this situation we find ourselves in today. You have a good analytical mind, why not work with others to develop a solution? Oh wait, I think we already have a plan on the table. It needs tweeking but it is a beginning.
            The “root of all evil” is undermining quality of life in America today.

          • Mad Dog

            Shirley – believe me when I say that I’m sorry and that you and your family deserve better. Often when I speak out against our Healthcare system(s), people immediately assume I’m an uncaring, calloused capitalist that would extend no assistance or care-giving to anyone but myself. Mostly not true. Mostly I believe like you that there is a better way and that most Americans deserve a better solution.

            However, there are few subtleties we do disagree on. You wrote that “I could never have afforded the plan that I have, if I had not been a member of a large group.” This “group” concept may have been true 40 years ago, but Shirley it no longer is. Your misconception is proof that you’re being lied to. Further proof of ” the murky waters devised by those who only want to profit from you, the customer”.

            Let’s assume you work for a school distinct that employs 2000 professionals. Your friend works for a smaller business that employs only 200. My business partner and I are only 2 people. Regardless of the size of your company, you would have the same illnesses, you’d get sick just as often, you’d break just as many bones, get pregnant just as often, etc. But if all 2,202 of us sought out the best Insurance provider in the country – the provider that had a package that addressed our individual needs (health and financial) – than the size of your company or group is irrelevant. Agree?

            If your employer contributes $100 per month per employee or $200,000 – then that is their out-of-pocket expense to provide that aspect to your benefits package. If they stopped paying that amount to the Insurance company, and just increased each employee’s salary by $100 per month it would be no additional cost to them or the tax payers. You could all afford the exact same HC Insurance you currently have. I am absolutely positive that HC Insurance rates would actually go down once we introduce free-enterprise choice. When 100 different HC insurance companies across the country have to compete for your business – PRICES WILL GO DONE and SERVICE QUALITY WILL GO UP. Furthermore, your HC Insurance is now tied TO YOU, not your employer.

            If times are temporarily hard – like your son is experiencing – perhaps he could temporarily modify his policy by significantly increasing his deductible, or temporarily reducing the amount deposited in his HSA. Though a little risky, this is much better than dropping all coverage.

            Here’s the other thing, Shirley, I have negotiated with an HC Insurance provider for a CATASTROPHIC only policy. I pay for 100% of ALL regular/scheduled preventive maintenance. This reducing premiums significantly and might be another solution for your son or others that are temporarily challenged.

            Lastly, let’s not assume that “… anyone is not capable, financially or otherwise, to negotiate for, nor navigate through our HC system.” Shirley, if someone is so mentally challenged that they can’t read a policy, make a few basic decisions, check a couple of boxes, or click their choices on a computer screen — then our school system has truly failed them. If they can figure out a way to buy car insurance, then HC Insurance shouldn’t be that much harder. I sincerely believe that allowing corporate America to coddle the masses because they assume the masses are not smart enough – will in the long run guarantee that the masses will NEVER be smart enough. Education doesn’t stop after 12th grade, nor does RESPONSIBILITY.

  • laura4basics

    Mary, what does it matter why she wanted the pills. The real issue here is the liberals want to push their agenda on us to pay for contraceptives for all women no matter the reason and along with that, it infringes on our right to conscience objection. Besides there are alternatives to receive contraceptives, all that women have to do is go to Walmart with a prescription and buy them for only 5 bucks. Dispute that.

  • biger_joe2002@yahoo.com

    The girl said: there in front of them on the Congress that she paid out $3000 a year for contraception so that means that’s how much money she’s paying out… You can’t even call girl for her because she’s a whore now.. That’s the difference between gay people and normal people.. Gays gay.. An atheist is and atheists.. And I think Rush Limbaugh was right… Cassette little more tasteful.. But I believe you made this point right.. Isn’t it a shame when gay people can say what they want to say.. But good people can say nothing.. Gay people could talk so lady like… Be a good man can say like is… Good job Rush you got my vote

  • http://www.themostenergyefficienthomesinamerica.com deyermann

    Hateful right wingers always distort and lie and spread misinformation.
    They blame the poor for the mortgage crisis and hold the bankers innocent.
    They didn’t lose enough value on their own homes.
    They scream about right to life, but then don’t want any form of social responsibility that light help the child after being born, including stupid Rick Santorum denying benefits of a college education, not to mention constant cutbacks to public education. Then there is the issue of health care and the US being the only western country that doesn’t care for all its people. They talk about leaving business alone, no government interference, but fail miserably to acknowledge all the abuse that occurs by crooked businessmen and exploitation of the environment and people. Rick Santorum classified it as man serving the earth, instead of earth serving mankind. The deniers dumbly think man can just exploit the earth and its species with no consequences ever. To me it is just absolute idiocy.

    • Mad Dog

      ‘Prejudice’ is one of the most obvious indicators of ‘Ignorance’. Because of your unfortunate disability, I’ll explain to you that ‘Ignorance’ is not the same a stupidity. So Deyermann, I’m not saying that you’re stupid – but you have clearly demonstrated that you are extremely Ignorant. But listen, this might be good news: Ignorance is much easy to address and reverse than is Stupidity.

      I wish you good luck in that endeavor and look forward to future discussions after you’ve overcome your afflictions.

    • Libertytrain

      Hateful left wingers always distort and lie and spread misinformation. etc etc etc

  • Barry Millwood

    This Law School student has no scruples. NONE! If I didn’t know before she opened her mouth, I know now that she is a leftist democrat. This woman has no sense of being embarased about anything they say or do.

  • Jamie

    So when my sister was 12 years old, she was a whore or a slut? Her cycle was awful, hemorrhaging for two weeks at a time, and “the pill” helped regulate it and allowed this 12 year old to manage a typical 12 year old life. But since she was on BC, all you righties say she is a slut and needs to keep her legs together! Very christian of you!

    • Mad Dog

      Is it just me or do all the Liberals have a propensity to lump everyone into one box or the other? Jamie, there really is no similarity between your 12 year old sister and a 33 year old woman, who wasn’t even representing herself — but still feels that someone (the employers, the government, the taxpayers … doesn’t matter, just someone) owes her and all other females free birth control.

      Shame on you, Jamie, for even hinting at any similarities and manipulating your sister’s private situation to benefit your liberal political agenda.

      • Libertytrain

        have to agree with your comment Mad Dog….

      • Shirley

        I need a clarification~~ Exactly what do you (mostly men, I note) think that health care should cover?
        If a 33 year old woman has menstrual problems, i.e. hemorrhaging, 2 week periods, debilitating cramps etc. or any other problems for which her physician prescribes hormone therapy, should her insurance cover this? If a woman is married and has the number of children that she and her husband can afford does she qualify for birth control medication? Of course this is ridiculous!!! I think that you men just want to keep women at home bare-foot and pregnant and you can feel like their master. That thinking went out about 50 years ago. I say stop trying to control women. Stop trying to make women dependent on your choices for our bodies. Don’t go there with me, either. My husband and I raised our more than 2 children and we are not Catholics. I made the choice to have our children. Get out of the bedrooms. Mind your own business and leave women alone. You want us to have no protection or medicine that we may need, you say abortion is a sin, you do not agree with assistance for the family; so what do you believe? Let the women and children suffer? Let them have many babies and then not be able to feed, clothe, or nurture them? I do not get it!!

        • Mad Dog

          Shirley – I’ll try one more time to provide that ‘clarification’:

          First of all, it has NOTHING to do with gender (and I’m offended by the implication). The way that Healthcare should be approached is the same for both women and men. This nation has fought too hard for EQUALITY to relinquish it now.

          Secondly this country’s ‘Healthcare’ system must be broken down into specific problems before we can find solutions for those problems. You ask “what do we think HC should cover”? Well Shirley, it begins with our diet and exercise. If we choose a healthy lifestyle, good diet, adequate and regular exercise – then future costs for Medical Treatments, Services, Operations and Drugs will be reduced by 50 to 80%.

          Think about that, Shirley, if we could reduce the entire nation’s Medical costs by 50% – think how much more affordable HC Insurance we be for all. BUT – if people choose BAD diets, choose NOT to exercise, choose to smoke, choose to use drugs or alcohol in excess, etc. – then that is their choice, their responsibility and their expense. That IS the American way: Freedom of Choice … comes with the cost of Responsibility. No exceptions. And if you don’t like the American way – MOVE !

          Okay, the 2nd problematic breakdown of HC (after diet and exercise) is a responsible regimen of prevention and maintenance programs. But understand, Maintenance and Prevention have NOTHING to do with INSURANCE. (Just like the maintenance of our cars has nothing to do with our car insurance.) The adults in this country are held responsible for the maintenance of their homes, their appliances, their cars, their motorcycles and bicycles. If Americans can pay to maintain their toys – then Americans should pay to maintain their own health and that of their children. To shirk this responsibility for one’s self is immature and irresponsible; to shirk this responsibility for your own children should be CRIMINALLY negligence.

          The 3rd breakdown are those medical conditions that are truly CATASTROPHIC: There’s no way they could have been foreseen or avoided. This is the ONLY aspect of Healthcare that should be covered by INSURANCE. I personally think that we would all be better off if this catastrophic HC insurance was NOT paid for by either our employers or the government. We all pay our own Car Insurance. We all pay our own House Insurance and Mortgage Insurance. We all pay our own Life Insurance. If we own businesses, we pay our own Business Insurance. One of the reasons our HC system is FAILING is because we have relinquished responsibility to others (either our employers or the government).

          A 4th breakdown of HC system involves procedures and expenses that are more voluntary in nature. They are typically not considered preventative nor catastrophic. All plastic surgery, breast augmentation, penile implants, liposuction, etc. would certainly fall under this category. Bringing children into this world is a CHOICE and all adults making this choice should be prepared to pay for all NORMAL delivery expenses. If the delivery exceeds normal expenses – THEN the Catastrophic Insurance would kick in. Abortions are clearly elective procedures and should always be paid for ‘out-of-pocket’. For rare situations such as Rape or Incest, I propose that our local law enforcement departments provide victims with FREE Morning After Pills.

          The 5th breakdown is the HC system that typically applies to the elderly, AKA Medicare. Medicare is nothing more than Medical Insurance for the elderly. It has NO place in our Government. Any Insurance program managed by the government and financed by taxpayers WILL FAIL. At the very least, transition Medicare to the individual States where it would likely cost the taxpayers less – but it would still be unsustainable socialized medicine. AGAIN, the sense of RESPONSIBILITY MUST be returned to INDIVIDUALS. To relinquish ANY level of personal responsibility to the GOVERNMENT is foolish and self-defeating. Come on, Shirley, neither you nor I, nor anyone reading this discussion or any of Bob Livingston’s articles TRUST our Government; we don’t trust the politicians; and we don’t trust the bureaucrats. Why would anyone voluntarily relinquish control of one of the most critical aspect of our lives – HC services – to a faceless, corrupt, ever-shifting institution like our government.

          There is NO Free Lunch. Neither the government nor our employers can pay for our HC needs (at any of the levels discussed above) WITHOUT FIRST collecting the necessary funds from the American consumers and taxpayers. But by running it through the government, or our employers, or insurance companies, or any other middlemen – we double and even triple all HC costs.

          You see, Shirley, it has nothing to do with Gender, and everything to do with RESPONSIBILITY, SELF-RELIANCE and DIGNITY. Until we restore these basic human qualities to ALL adult Americans, no HC solution or system will succeed.

          • Mad Dog

            Ronald, I think Shirley deserves more credit and respect than you think – certain more than your response offered. The answers are never easy – especially when we’ve been raised our entire life ‘expecting’ something that isn’t ours, or ‘believing’ something that isn’t true.

            Did you read my post about Healthcare and Medical Insurance? What do you think? I know it’s kind of radical – how are you at thinking outside the box?

            Are you on the dole? Do you have Medical Insurance … that pays for every one of your boo-boos? Do you pay the premiums, or does your employer? Far too often it seems that when others received unearned money, benefits or financial assistance – it’s a ‘hand out’ or ‘socialist welfare’; but when YOU receive it – it’s just getting back what’s owned you.

            Have a nice day

          • Shirley

            To Ronald:
            You Sir are NOT a gentleman!
            Unlike you, I do not attempt to read minds.
            I was married for almost 50 years to one good and kind Gentleman. We made decisions together “Sweet Cheeks”. You are right, I now must wear the pants in the family , because my husband and father to our children is dead.
            You actually have no right to label other people. Just state your opinions on the subject and stop being so nasty. Maybe it helps you feel manly.???

          • Ronald R. Johnson

            I have insurance and I pay for it each month and pay one heck of a co -pay every time I have to use it and my check books shows it until once in a while i have to use my credit card because the check book has taken a beaten some time! Again I have no problem helping those who can not afford the medical help they need. But this Fluke seems to think women should be able to go out and play all they want never even requiring the guy to wear a rain coat and then wants tax payers to pay because she wasn’t carefull with her playing.If she were married and needed any medication for any medical problem I say go ahead and help her with proof that is what it is used for, but if the only reason is birth control, then bull Hockey let her or her play mates pay for it!

      • TL Heart

        Ditto Mr. Dawg. Are you running for President? You have my vote!

  • Ronald R. Johnson

    someone sure needs to check on the comments made by some one named Shirley and Karoliyn and for sure Bob Livingston they are completely unreal! Who can help with them?

  • Sunrider

    Next she will want someone to pay for her laundry detergent to wash out the wet spots on the sheets.Oh,when will it ever end? Hopefully in November.
    Love,
    A flat-earther

    • Shirley

      From the conversation on this site one can surmise that if Liberals are Vultures; Conservative (men) must be vulgar,evil -minded,egotistical,self-centered, MCPIG, Vultures .

  • Sunrider

    Next Ms Flukie will insist on the government to pay for her detergent to wash her sheets.
    Especially since she is forever having sexual flings,and someone has to wash those wet spots. Oh Lord…maye things will change come(no pun intended,Ms Flukie) November..
    Hoo-yahhhh
    A flat earther

  • Joe

    Hey,people, the govt.,withthe help of our elected is on a roll,to decide when,where,what you and I do.
    Next on the agenda is who will get air to breath!!
    Have you had enough of this govt.and its croonies,including the elected from your area???

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