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There Are A Lot More of Us Than They Think

March 19, 2010 by  

There Are A Lot More of Us Than They Think

Thirty-three years ago I was in the forefront of a cultural revolution that would change the face of politics in America. And I didn’t even know it.

Here’s what happened. I was living in California at the time, when a friend of mine in Atlanta told me he knew of a job that would be perfect for me. He was the manager of the local CBS radio station and they were experimenting with a new format—talk radio.

“We’re looking for a conservative with a sense of humor,” he said. “Why don’t you come to Atlanta and give it a try?” As it happened, I had an excellent reason to visit Atlanta. At the time, a small book-publishing company I had founded had released a book called We Hold These Truths. It was a study of the United States Constitution by Congressman Larry McDonald.

The book was a big hit for our small company and I wanted to talk with Larry about doing a second one. Instead of staying in town a day for that meeting, I changed my schedule to be there a week. One of the on-air hosts was going to be on vacation that week and the plan was for me to sit in for him. If I did a good enough job… well, we’d cross that bridge when we came to it.

Early Monday morning I got a crash course in the mechanics of talk radio: How to put a caller on the air and how to turn down his volume if I wanted to get rid of him; how to go into commercial breaks; what to say at the top of the hour, when we went live to CBS News. And most important of all, how to use the five-second delay in case a caller said something inappropriate. An hour later, the “on air” light went on and Chip Wood became a talk host.

The star at WRNG Radio was an outspoken libertarian you may have heard about: Neal Boortz is now a nationally syndicated talk host who reaches millions of people every week. A young Englishman who went to work on a competitor station around that time has become even better known: Sean Hannity has his own TV show, a syndicated radio show and several best-selling books to his credit.

For the past decade or two talk radio has been credited (or accused; it depends where you are on the political spectrum) with becoming one of the most influential forces on the political scene in the United States. Thank you Rush Limbaugh, Neal and Sean and the many other pioneers. And thank you to the tens of millions of listeners and callers who made talk radio so successful.

But I’ve got to admit, back in the late 1970s none of us involved in talk radio had any idea this would happen. Our ratings at WRNG Radio weren’t exactly in the basement but we weren’t anywhere near the top, either. In 1981, the station’s owners decided to turn off the mics and switch to a more popular format. I went back to my first love, publishing. Sean went to New York to seek his fame and fortune. And Neal stayed in Atlanta and started yakking for WSB Radio, the most powerful and most popular station in the South.

I believe that talk radio succeeded because, for the very first time, conservatives and libertarians knew they weren’t alone. There was an entire country full of people who felt the same way they did about the issues and personalities of the day. And we could finally say so!

For the previous 30 years the liberal media in this country had a virtual monopoly. Their views were all that you were allowed to hear on radio and TV or read in the most popular newspapers and magazines. Conservatives were made to feel isolated and alone. We were told our opinions didn’t matter and that our efforts were ineffectual. “Why bother opposing us?” was the unspoken message; “It’s hopeless.”

But thanks to talk radio, we could prove them wrong. And boy did we.

Today, talk radio still reaches and influences millions of people every day. But there’s another phenomena that has passed it in reach, influence and importance. That is the Internet, which has enabled millions of people to read what they want, write want they want and campaign for what they want.

The column you’re reading now is a perfect example of what I mean. More than 500,000 people have signed up to receive Personal Liberty Alerts where this column, Straight Talk, appears every Friday morning. PLA is just one of hundreds, no, thousands, of outlets on the Internet where conservatives and libertarians can communicate with each other—and often, have at it with liberals.

Ain’t it fun to be heard?

Thanks to us, Fox Television has become the most-watched TV network in the country. (And don’t you know this fact drives the brass at all of the “original” networks absolutely crazy?)

A small conservative book publisher in Washington, D.C., called Regnery, has more best-selling books to its credit than any of the major New York houses: Which proves that we conservatives not only can read, we want to read!

Thanks to us there are Tea Parties being held in communities big and small across the country. More than 10,000 conservative activists gathered in Washington, D.C., last month, where they enjoyed baiting liberals and boasting that the right would take back Congress this November. (We’ll see.)

Talk about heating things up: Later this summer, some 2,000 conservative and libertarian activists will gather in Las Vegas for “a really big shew” called FreedomFest. C-Span will be there to record several hours of the proceedings. The subsequent rebroadcasts will reach hundreds of thousands more people.

I’ll be the Master of Ceremonies at FreedomFest and will have the honor of introducing people like Steve Forbes, Charles Gasparino, Rick Santelli, John Mackey, Doug Casey, Mark Skousen and dozens of others to an enthusiastic crowd. If you’d like to be part of the fun, go to www.freedomfest.com and sign up. (Note that the early-bird special expires April 15.)

But enough of a shameless plug. The larger point I wanted to make is that the people who share our values and our views make up the majority of people in this country. But we could never prove it before this. Now, thanks to talk radio, the Internet and all the alternative forms of communication that we’ve created, there can be no doubt.

To paraphrase a wonderful line from one of my favorite movies, we’re mad as hell. And we don’t have to take it anymore.

Until next Friday, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • David

    That’s why the progressives are going all out right now to nationalize our country. It’s now or never…..either way it will just take us a little longer to undo the mess they are creating. Remember the pareto rule; 20% of the population (liberals) is doing 80% of the complaining.

    Soon the remaining 80% of the normal, hard working fiscal conservative base will be growing even larger as blue dogs realize they were led astray as the term liberal or progressive becomes a bad word. Ask Hollywood. Tom Hanks/Matt Damon I never realized you were one too….I guess your great movies fooled me. But not any more as it shows in the turnout to your movies.

    • John

      Fiscal Conservative base???? What party are YOU talking about? Certainly NOT the GOP who are responsible for 10 out of the 12 trillion that comprises the national debt….

      • David

        Have you seen the hockey stick deficit graph lately? The current regime is warping past previous commands by design….to bankrupt the US.

        Not them in congress, us. Remember the Tea Party is going to help cull out the waste in both parties? Wait and see.

        • mv

          Yes, that is what happens when you rake up debt for eight years, the interest gets compounded, was planned by design for the GOP, rake up debt, dump it on the lap of the new incoming administration and thru the use of massive deflection make fallacious bar graphs and scream that the sky is falling… Then have your highly paid shills on TV try and blame it on the next guy… BHO.

          Bush enters with a 5 trillion deficit and leaves with 11 trillion, and have the wind bags on TV blame the “liberalsssszzz”…

          Well it ain’t gonna work. Unless your a tea party bagger.

          I love how they were protesting their “High Taxes” and loss of “freedoms” in Feb of 2009… No taxes were raised, so in way they were protesting GWB admin, and they were too stupid to realize it.

          not going to work. not this time. nice try.

          • DaveH

            It doesn’t matter what party name they hang on themselves, Liberals are Liberals, and by definition they love Big Government. So you can blame Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., or Obama (don’t forget Congress), but in the end they have all been complicit in growing Government to it’s current Gargantuan Size.

          • CJ

            MV, you are so short sited. You think nothing happened before you were awakened. Check your history. The real debt has been growing for 80 years. The so called “balanced budget” of recent history was a bookkeeping hoax to convince the public things were right, and we bought it. Washington has been printing money and running up the debt from day one after the Fed was established. First it was a gold certificate, then a sivler certificate, and now it’s just a promise. And it’s getting weaker, bolstered by the use of plastic. With no regulation, the Fed is the biggest problem. Stop whining about the spilt milk and focus on the leak from which it comes.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            MV,

            Since you are so confident about your man, why not just hold your breath on the final outcome….please hold your breath!

            Fed Up Gal

        • DaveH

          David,
          I didn’t know about Tom Hanks until recently, but Matt Damon and his buddy Ben Affleck were known Liberals since they appeared on the Hollywood scene.

          • David

            I guess they all share a place with Johnny Depp in France, the Mother land of liberals.

          • denniso

            Isn’t that just terrible! Some of the most liked movie stars are actually ‘known liberals’!! My God,hide the children,close the drapes and call the FBI…liberals are surrounding us and are planning to steal the entire country from us good ole boys who salute the confederate flag every morning and charge our tickets to every NASCAR race at night. Hurry, the sky has fallen!!!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Denniso,

            Well….to answer your question…”Isn’t that just terrible!”……Yes, actually it may really be absolutely terrible.

            Don’t get me wrong; I like Johnny Depp and until recently Tom Hanks as well….I even went and saw Depp’s new movie Alice in Wonderland….I like a lot of other actors and actresses too, when they are acting in a movie or sitcom, TV series, etc…..I do not like it when they are able to use their Hollywood status to get free press to push their personal agendas. The MSM is all over those people when they want to get on their Hollywood platform to drum up support for their pet politicians.

            The average American has no real viable avenue to persuade the MSM to offer free press for a “real” platform. So, while you may think it’s silly to hold Hollywood accountable for their political actions and statements…..I don’t.

            Since they have their platform, I will now make my own platform…..I will make a real concerted effort now, to not watch movies or TV programs with actors /actresses who are engaging in national political rhetoric, especially when the rhetoric does not support my values. To my point, I used to watch Oprah regularly…even used to tape her shows. I no longer watch Oprah, because I am sick of her using her notoriety to hand pick politicians and push her personal agenda. I would not vote for Oprah if she were to run for any office, but I would at least have more respect for her than I do now as she is trying to run the country on the sly!

            Fed Up Gal

          • denniso

            So you’re saying that in America,we don’t have the right to let our politics become known if we want to make a living? If you think about it that’s a bit fascist like…alienate and deny work to people who don’t follow a particualr party line? That doesn’t sound like America to me…more like Maoist China or soviet Russia…

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Denniso,

            Am I to assume you were responding to my post about Hollywood actors/actresses? If so………..You are partially correct….in the case of actors and actresses, they have every right to speak out about their political viewpoints…and they have the right (unfortunately) to solicit the media to give them a free press platform to express their viewpoints. Hmmmm I wonder how many free press conferences I would be able to get if I called media outlets and asked for that free platform to present my political views.

            I too have a right….to not contribute to their platform, by choosing to not purchase their movie DVDs or by choosing to not pay for a movie theatre ticket to see their movie, or by choosing to not purchase their music CD, etc.

            Have you ever noticed that “new” actors/actresses don’t make too many waves?….They wait until they get to the George Clooney or Dixie Chicks status to really show their colors. By that time, most of them also seem to know the more radical their comments, the more likely the young as well as the impressionable will flock to be the first to see the movie, buy the music or movie, etc…..so I believe it is equally another way for them to get money from the flocks and groupies.

            So, since we all have a Choice and the “Right” to make our own choices (as you so eloquently put it)….I’m going to start exercising my Rights and my Choices. I still do have that right and if it does not sit well with you….so sad….too bad!

            Fed Up Gal

      • Meteorlady

        The President does not set the budget or make the laws. So blaming Bush is in essence blaming congress. Bush got a balanced budget from Clinton because the Federal Reserve helped Clinton out with their policies.

        Even with two wars, the deficits under Bush were acceptable until the last two years he was in office. There was a democratic controlled congress and they passed record spending bills. So the budgets that you see for 2008, 2009 and 2010 are all the result of the democratic controlled congress. Next you will argue that Bush signed them and that is correct but under threat of an over-ride by congress. Bush started the wars, but congress overwhelmingly back it (including HIllary), Bush started the bailouts with AIG, but Obama has added trillions to that and other badly thought out stimulus items. Bottom line is you can blame a president, but you really need to get after the congress because that’s the real force when it comes to passing legislation and budgets.

        • Jana

          Thank you Meteorlady for some good common sense reminding us all of the FACTS.

          • Joe H.

            meteorlady,
            That balanced budget was only a mirage, just on paper, it was not real!!!!

        • usmadgirl

          Meteorlady,

          Thank you for your factual comment!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Meteorlady,

          Great comment! Should be clear to rationally thinking people….thanks for your viewpoint!

          Fed Up Gal

        • BOOP

          I feel the same way Meteorlady!!!!
          I enjoy actors acting but when they make statements and show their true socialist feelings I will not support their movies any longer….This is my way of speaking out. I will not go to a Penn movie or watch a Penn movie.I will never buy a Penn movie. I no longer buy Oprah’s mag nor do I watch her show. She has her right….I have mine…I will not support another Hanks movie….he is a great actor but I am no longer a fan…

        • eyeswideopen

          meteor, did he also sign the cuts for loss of revenue in the amount of one trillion dollars?? Tax cuts for the rich, have made this country more indebted, as we didn’t pay for the wars, medicare advantage, and all the other little trinkets that the repubs passed. Reaganomics doesn’t work, and because you people are sheep, you think it was good policy. Read for God’s sake and stop watching Fox New which is using you like employees. What a farce.

      • FYI

        John aka a typical liberal socialist who can’t get his facts straight!

        It’s Bush 3 trillion!

        mr. Osama 9 trillion!

    • Jerry Mobley

      David,
      I support your statistcal view of todays political landscape. I would like to mention though the words democrat, liberal, and progressive have been bad words for a very long time. Those three (3) words are synonyms of communism. Believe me that is not only a bad word, it is the worst word know to freedom loving people.

      • David

        I live in the south and agree totally with you. But how do we convince the good ole country folks who are democrat by default that the word democrat no longer represents what they were taught to believe? These are good hard working people but are not really paying attention to waht is happening. We have much cleaning up to do in our own party as well.

        If health care does pass; at least the pot smoking hippies won’t live as long with the new rationing/death panels :)

        • CJ

          As long as the schools’ success is measured by the “no child left denied” to entitlement ideal, there won’t me much change. If the schools weren’t teaching kids how to be dependent on the government, how come so many are seeking to live on welfare? They aren’t tought about finances, how the government operates or that the world is hard and sometimes people fail. Do you really think these kids who shoot students at school are happy? Of course not, but the system teaches a false impression of the world, and when they see it ain’t so, they freak! The signs are there, if we really look.

          • Mike In MI

            CJ – it’s because of Prozac type and SSRI type drugs

            The FDA back in the 70s and early 80s were aware of problems associated with those drugs and their personality changing horrors.
            It has been studied and shown by a Dr. Black that this class of drug can be depended on to produce the kinds of behavior altering actions we think are because somebody went off his rocker. Nope, he just went off his meds which no professional is required to monitor (probably because it would disrupt drug sales).

            I think Dr. Black must have been shut up, or down, because I haven’t heard anything from her for a long time. That’s the price we pay when BigPharma and Dr.s control FDA and Congress.

          • David

            It all comes back to the parents. Maybe they should not have had children if they didn’t care to spend the time to cultivate them. If you sit down with your children at the dinner table every night for dinner, take them on fishing trips, etc where you are turely in-tune with them; they should turn out fine. It’s not easy but it should be important to parents to teach their kids early on that it’s ok to fail. How else will they learn anything if they don’t.

            But no, we live in this “everyone gets a trophy” society; which creates long term failure. It’s up to you to raise your kids properly, not the system.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            David,

            Kudos! Perfect comment (about it being up to parents to raise their kids, not up to the government)! You know, I have a friend who is a single parent and is raising his kids alone (ex-wife moved on and left the kids with him). He is struggling…that’s for sure…but I have so much respect for him, because he’s moving forward and providing as healthy a family environment as possible for his children and not waiting around for the government to raise his kids!

            Thank you for this reminder! It made me think of him and his family and made me smile!

            Fed Up Gal

          • BOE

            Grandmothers have been on welfare. They teach the daughters not to get married have babies so the gov. will provide welfare,section 8 housing, food stamps. They think they are getting over on white people. But in the real world..they have made themselves slaves all over again. Why aren`t the big black preachers preaching get an education,don`t lie and don`t steal,be polite,self respect,work hard,there are no free lunches?

          • Jana

            If the President and Congress would have been working as hard on getting people back to work as they are on this Health Care Bill that no one wants, we would be a lot better off. But oh no, Obama and his minions are bound and determined to push, shove, and force this health care fiasco down our throats and let the economy go right down the drain. All Obama cares about is HIS legacy and HIS Presidency. He certainly does not truly care about this country.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Good comments, David…..here’s my take on that.

          I grew up in the deep south and am probably considered one of those “good ole country folk” you described as “democrat by default”. While it is true that some fit that bill, it’s also true that many don’t.

          I have country-bumpkin relatives that only vote democrat, because that’s what they’ve always done (frustrates the bajeebies out of me)…..and I have country-bumpkin relatives who can see beyond the “gimme gimme” gang…and vote for freedom from big government, lower taxes, etc.

          They are paying attention in their own way…and while they may be slower to anger than city folk, when it reaches boiling point…they will have their voices heard.

          Fed Up Gal

        • usmadgirl

          David,

          I too am from the South, but fortunately, my entire family on both sides have all been Republicans& all my representatives are Republicans! At their worst, Republicans could NEVER hold a candle to the progressive criminals in office now.

          I have voted for Dumb-o-craps in local elections, but they were like the old school moderate Dem-o-craps like Zell Miller. I don’t have any Dumb-o-craps for friends because unless they were like Zell or Pat Caddell, I wouldn’t want to be around them. THAT’S HOW ANGRY I AM! Just call me a POOR, short version of Ann Coulter!

      • Joe

        (adj) liberal, broad, large-minded, liberal, tolerant
        showing or characterized by broad-mindedness

        Synonyms: broad, bounteous, big, freehanded, full(a), panoptic, all-encompassing, extensive, all-inclusive, loose, unspecific, spacious, broad(a), patient of, encompassing, blanket(a), kind, free, all-embracing, across-the-board, tolerant, resistant, liberal, giving, bighearted, large-minded, wide, openhanded, handsome, bountiful, unsubtle

        Antonyms: conservative, conservativist, fusty, ungenerous, ultraconservative, narrow-minded, center, right, standpat(a), unprogressive, narrow, nonprogressive, buttoned-up, blimpish, traditionalist, stingy, exact, hidebound

      • Joe

        Here is the Synonym along with the Antonyms for the word Liberal. Nowhere did I find the word communist. Educate yourself before trying to educate others, Please.

        (adj) liberal, broad, large-minded, liberal, tolerant
        showing or characterized by broad-mindedness

        Synonyms: broad, bounteous, big, freehanded, full(a), panoptic, all-encompassing, extensive, all-inclusive, loose, unspecific, spacious, broad(a), patient of, encompassing, blanket(a), kind, free, all-embracing, across-the-board, tolerant, resistant, liberal, giving, bighearted, large-minded, wide, openhanded, handsome, bountiful, unsubtle

        Antonyms: conservative, conservativist, fusty, ungenerous, ultraconservative, narrow-minded, center, right, standpat(a), unprogressive, narrow, nonprogressive, buttoned-up, blimpish, traditionalist, stingy, exact, hidebound

    • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

      Libertarians are naive.

      Taking down government will allow the fast track for corporate international socialists, a.k.a., Fascists, to become robber-barons and econically and politically enslave all of us.

      Then you will have American morphing into local tribes, gangs and warlords. The one’s who have possesion of the nukes will be boss.

      There won’t be any democracy. Of course, democracy is a socialistic concept after all, isn’t it.

      Nice going, talking heads!!

      • JeffH

        Uh oh! Here comes the “corporate international socialist” again.
        One question, does Obama fit in that criteria, whatever it may be?
        Take another hit off the bong and remember Woodstock “dude”.

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          Hey, Dud!

          Get some Gingko Biloba to put some boost to your brain pot.

          There are a huge number of people who drink coffee that know that know your line of unregualted “free enterprise” is robber baron economic enslavement. And that comes from your corporate friends that would like nothing better than no government and no regulation to interfere with their greed.

          • Meteorlady

            I’ll take the corporations anytime over big government. At least corporations provide us will well paying jobs and a path to an upward wage scale. Bit government just takes my money and passes it out to druggies, drunks, welfare cheats, immigrations both legal and illegal, and a bunch of fat lazy people that can work, but won’t.

          • JeffH

            Radio controlled, I think your tie-dyed t-shirt needs to be washed like your brain has been washed also. “corporate international socialists” that’s a hoot for sure!

          • U571

            Hey Jeff,
            I think the dude is a “dudette”
            Check out the photo. It looks like a Hillary in a pantsuit.

          • BOE

            Radio UpNorth ..You must be so ashamed of yourself that you can`t get a decent job to provide for your family. For a man to accept welfare freeby`s must make you angry but if everyone takes welfare that will make you feel better..right? No thanks. I will work my ass off to provide for myself and family.

          • Winnie

            Reply to Meteorlady. You will take big corporations over big government? Take a good look at your country. The big corporations have taken the jobs overseas so that they could pay very low wages and not have to pay big $ to their American workers. Not only do you not have a job but you also get low quality products from the low paying workers overseas. Good luck with your little government involvment with the GREEDY big corporations.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Sooooo Winnie…..what part do you think Union greed has played…in driving corporations overseas? Unions own a big piece of the mess, so what are you willing to hold them responsible for and whom will they be accountable too? As long as people keep sticking their heads in the sand about their own irresponsibility, we will have this never ending cycle of blame.

            Just wondering, when you go into a retail store to purchase something….do you ever try to get a better price? Do you ever shop in the discount stores? If your answer is yes, then how can you blame corporations for trying to cut their costs/waste and for trying to increase their profits?

            I shop around and purchase where I can get good quality for a price I can afford; sometimes I have to wait a while to save for something I want or need….like another poster mentioned in a different article…sometimes I eat steak and sometimes I eat ground beef. At least for me….my preference is a more capitalistic market over a more socialistic one.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Winnie

            Reply to Fedup gal in NM, Yes, I agree with you that the unions do make a heck alot of trouble. The CEOs of the unions are the ones, I think, to blame. As I always say, vote in a common-sense person into the CEO seat and keep him/her in check. The people who do belong in the unions are luckier than those who are not, but again, greed drives the people into asking for way too much pay. I would love to see people who are looking for jobs working the jobs that the strikers are on strike for higher pay when they are already paid very good wages. So yes, union plays a big part in sending jobs overseas.

          • usmadgirl

            Winnie,

            The reason those “big bad GREEDY corporations” have had to take their business overseas is because of shady Unions & because they can’t afford the taxes here. Just in case you’re unaware, companies are in business to make a PROFIT not just pay employees! If they lowered the taxes on those greedy corporations that used to employ millions of American people & got rid of the Union mobs, this country would have jobs!

            If you want to talk about GREED, what about some greedy employees that think they need to make butt-loads of money for sitting on their butts or walking around, clock watching & doing as little as they possibly can!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Winnie,

            Well said; thank you! Now I just wish there was a common-sense POTUS acting as our country’s CEO.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Meteorlady

            Winnie – you are wrong. The big corporations took advantage of the laws that were passed to allow them to do that. Lets see – NAFTA, Free Trade with China….etc. – do either of those ring a bell? There is also excessive government regulation that has made it hard and costly to compete in this country and export to other countries.

            The latest would be Caterpillar – they will have a hugh new tax obligation under Obama and the congress’s health care bill. This will add to price of their product and they are a really big exporter in this country. So what do you think that will do to their competitiveness on the world market?

            Do you buy from Walmart? Because if you do they are the worst for forcing their suppliers to go overseas. Clinton signed free trade with China after heaving Walmart lobbying. Did you know that Hillary was once on their board of directors?

            So yes, Boeing made me a good living, was always fair with me, paid a good wage, provided me with a great health plan, and paid for my continuing education. If that’s bad – I wonder what you consider good.

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteor, you are wrong, they don’t provide you with high paying jobs, 64% of the jobs are created by small business. Of those corporations who do employee some, 2/3 of them don’t pay taxes, but I bet you do..
            Get in the real world. When you have 2/3 of the major corporations not paying taxes, where do you think tax revenue comes from? 60% of tax revenue is paid by middle class Americans who make 155k-385K. SO, the other 40% is made up by the richest. Common sense tells you, that you are getting screwed…Authoritarianism is not going to be pretty.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Eyes,

            So middle class to you is those who make $155K-$385K? Hmmmm….guess that means I’m in your or your source’s low to poverty income level since I make considerably less than half of your $155K figure.

            No wonder we are just about broke or will be sooner than later, when everyone in the “new” poverty to middle income brackets starts lining up for all our “new found” entitlements! Wow….I should have converted to liberalism years ago….what was I thinking? If this was not such a serious topic, it would be laughable.

            Now…about your small biz -vs- big biz comment. I believe there is room in our capitalistic economy for both small and big business. If we only had small business flourishing…and no major corporations flourishing….how then would we be able to obtain specialized things such as fighter and transport aircraft for our military (which by the way does require a fairly sizable R & D department to design and test the aircraft and/or ac parts).

            Of course, there are already small business contracts with the DoD for specific items; however I don’t believe small business alone could support such specialized requirements and on such a large scale. Now, that also goes for other businesses as well,…not just DoD. Without companies like Boeing, we might all be travelling by horse and buggy (given the current automobile issues…of course I’m exaggerating this one slightly :-) or travelling by Amtrak…God forbid…if you need to get from NM to Louisiana….it will take somewhere between 2 and 3.5 days to get there one-way routing through El Paso TX or Chicago (no other choices)…and forget about purchasing a sleeping berth….well at least for those of us in that poverty or lower income bracket…as it is cost prohibitive…unless of course those in Washington plan to “add-in” a special “Amtrak” credit or rebate to help us all travel home to see Momma and to further subsidize Amtrak. We can apply the same analogy to other business too….I decided to use aircraft and travelling as an example…because the discussion between you and Meteorlady involved Boeing.

            Now….I’m thinking you are going to say….just let the small businesses get those contracts…they deserve it. Yes, maybe so….but in order for them to handle large and specialized orders, R & D, etc., (using the Boeing example above)…..they would have no choice but to get larger and eventually they too would be in that “major corporation” status you hold in such disdain. So……….I hope you can see….it really is not productive to completely “bash” big business, major corporations, etc. They do provide jobs and many provide health-care coverage as well.

            Case in point (related to healthcare coverage), a friend of mine went to have her eyes checked today and called to brag to me that she got a much better deal on her eye exam and new eyeglasses than I got recently. Her (non-government) vision plan paid about $310.00 toward her exam and glasses which left her portion at about $64.00 (total). It almost made me feel ill, because I recently purchased two pair of glasses (very similar to hers…progressives/transitions/no-scratch..etc) and my costs for both was $805.00 with my vision plan (I purchased separately through my federal employee health care plan) covering slightly over $300 (total cost just over $1100.00). So I guess for one pair, my (federal employee) vision coverage would have only paid around $135 according to my receipt. Well..the glasses had some problems, so luckily I took them back and received a refund and will keep shopping around for a good price. I simply provided this as an example of how government healthcare, vision, dental coverage is not always better than private sector. Of course…I can only speak for my newly classified “low-income to poverty level income status”…less than $155K :-) …Maybe those in Congress receive a better plan package than us “peons”….hmmmmm…maybe kind of like the President being exempt from the health care plan he is trying to shove down the country’s throat. Just my thought!

            Fed Up Gal

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          JeffH,

          Yeah….I had hoped the screeching static was gone for good!

          Fed Up Gal

      • CJ

        “corporate international socialists”? Sounds like an oxymoron. But then, I should consider the source.

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          I’ll make it simple for you: I’m talking about your Fascist friends.

          If you can’t understand that, look it up, read some history, and study some economics!

          • Jana

            Rad.
            Fascism
            a.A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
            b.A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
            2.Oppressive, dictatorial control.

            Nope, not our friends, they are your friends.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            RUN,

            I looked it up….and found this definition:

            “Radio UpNorth”

            Fed Up Gal

          • Mike In MI

            People don’t shoot the messenger just because it isn’t what you like to think. Nail your shoe to the floor if ou have to, but stop the knee jerk reactions.
            What RadioUpNorth is describing is exactly what George Soros is, Barney Frank’s swindler friends: (the CEO’s, Bankers, financiers, Government Enterprisers like Rains “Barney’s Qweenie-weenie” and others who Barney’s/Dodd’s regulators ignored for 15 years. There are Agri giants like TYSON Foods who used Clinton’s Admin to control agri-businesses (and others). The Military-Indusrial Complex president Eisenhauer warned about. Think how BigPharma manipulates the FDA to keep you sick. The above mentioned CEO’s and businesses represent in our system exactly (almost) what Krupp, Mercedes and a bunch of others did in Hitler’s Germany.

            Examine your own definitions and applications before you jump too hard on posters.

          • Palin12

            We need an Ignore button this page.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Mike in MI,

            If the messenger you are referencing is RUN, guess we all have decisions to make. I’ve decided I don’t care for the message this messenger is sending….his messages don’t seem to be consistent except for the chaos involved in many of them.

            So, respectfully…..I hear you…but I just don’t agree with you about this messenger or his message. Sorry.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Mike In MI

            Fed Up Gal in NM -

            I agree, girl,…the guy is whacked out on a lot of his posts. But, on some of them he has a kernel of facts – not truths – but facts and occasional concepts he’s developping.
            That’s how he sounds to me. I remember when I was younger and wrestling in the depths of my being about these things. I was really in turmoil and lots of times not too coherent because I’d figued out that at one end of the line my train was on was a dictatorship of the proletariat. At the other extreme was the greed, destructiveness of the robber barons and money-is-power of the global financiers.
            Both were equally abhorent to me. I just didn’t, then, realize what a tool I was of what Bob Livingston calls the pushers of “conventional wisdom”.
            Just at the right time, when I was near my wits end, God gave me a chance to take a different track. One that I had, at first, thought
            to be a side line or dead end (because of denominationalism and “fundamentalist’s” stupidity). It was Christianity the way they did it in the First Century. Voila!!! They taught me how to STUDY and UNDERSTAND without injecting my own dumb head into It or going by preconcieved, religious ideas injected into “so-called Christianity” during the last 1700 years. Man, talk about a wholely, completely different WAY of looking at everything. And It works, just like it says it will. God IS faithful to what HE had written when you act on it.
            RadioUpNorth is going to end up on one of those three lines. He just isn’t desperate for the answer yet.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Mike in MI,

            In response to your 23 Mar 2010 (11:25am) post:

            As we all struggle in and with our faith,from time to time…I for one…really do appreciate your comments in this posting.

            Fed Up Gal

      • J C

        Wrong wrong and wrong again. In a truly free market, capitalist society, we get to vote with our dollars. As opposed to being forced to pay higher prices for tarriffs and protectionism through government largesse. Radio, it’s time you changed channels. The one you’re tuned into must be getting some static.

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          Changing channel?

          Are you now telling me I am causing static on your self-repeating mantra that robber baron Fascist economics with unregulated greed is the best thing for the country.

          As a libertarian, all of your types should stop believing in economic Peter Pan politics. “Free enterprise” can only be kept healthy if it is regulated. The market alone does not stop monompoly of essential products and services. That is, unless you want to do away with the U.S. that is based on a democratic politcal system.

          Keep in mind, democracy where everyone has the right to vote is a socialist political system. If it isn’t socialist, we don’t have a right to vote to control the politics and the accesses of the market place.

          • Jana

            Rad.
            We are NOT a democracy, we are a REPUBLIC. You need a history lesson if you could comprehend it.

          • JC

            Again you demonstrate your confusion by speaking in oxymorons.
            Free enterprise isn’t free when it’s regulated. And anything the government touches dies a slow death everytime. Leviathan government is killing America.

          • Meteorlady

            Good grief! Who educated you Radio? People do not work for nothing.. People need some type of reward system in order to function. Sadly the reward system for not working is my money which the government takes more and more of. If I have no incentive to do something, I won’t do it and that’s a simple fact. If I don’t like a corporation, I vote with my dollars and do not buy their products. If I don’t like a corporation or business I vote with my investment dollars and take them somewhere else. That’s freedom. What you advocate is a dictatorship with the elites running the show.

            You cannot honestly tell me that you like what is going on in the government today can you? It’s insane and the politics are the dirtiest and most underhanded they have ever been. You need to study a little yourself – like read the Constitution and our founding documents to see what we proposed to build this country into and protect it from. You are one of the people we need to protect it from.

          • Mike In MI

            Jana-
            We started out as a Republic under the founding fathers wisdom and insight. The Devil and devilish people started dismantling it as quick as the people got too busy to pay attention to what
            Washington, DC was pushing on them and stealing the freedoms of a Republic. At this point we are in actuality a social democracy in which the people still can decide their fate to a declining degree.

            Obama’s goal with BOMB’R’CARE is, not health care (that’s a hook for the ignorant), but power. He and his controllers are declaring, Not by a vote of Congress, by a Monarchic decree (“Deem and Pass”) that they are going after the jugular of freedom. If this passes you can play “Taps” over the coffin of our dead Constitution. They’ll make you fight to get it back, set up martial law and declare you an enema of the state.

          • Jana

            Mike in MI.,
            Then I will proudly stand as an enemy of the state of Obama, and the change that has taken us down the wrong road. I will stand proudly to bring this country back from the brink of Communism and Socialism. According to Obama we are just obstacles to be overcome. We may be obstacles, but when we stand together we become mountains, mountains that fight back. Obama is fighting in his way and we are praying and fighting our way. We want our Republic back!

          • usmadgirl

            Jana,

            And I & Tinwarble will be standing right with you, shoulder to shoulder!

          • JeffH

            usmadgirl, I want in too!

          • http://www.USA.com Stephaan

            Radio Up North,
            Where did you receive your political & economic education, and do you have any other secondary education? Which universities, countries etc?

            What countries have you lived in previously, and which do you live in now?

      • Palin12

        YAWN!!!BORING!!!

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          You have really got to join the Coffee Party.

          • Meteorlady

            The coffee party is an imitation of the tea party concept. The person that started it does not have a full understanding of this country and it’s politics, nor did she study our original founding documents. Libertarians are not scary people, they just want us to live under our laws and not keep trampling the Constitution. If that’s bad – I’m amazed because I always thought that true American respected the laws or this country.

            It’s the States that have the rights and they should be fighting to keep them. Most states have taken federal dollars (bribery) for roads, schools, social programs, etc.. Then the government runs out of money and the states are stuck with the programs they were force to take to get the money. The the state taxes go up to support what the federal government mandated and didn’t fully fund. So if federal and state taxes are going up is that good for our economy? I don’t think so since I now have less to spend on good and merchandise.

            I started a business three years ago and it did well until just recently. Fortunately I sold my share last year, but the point is… if I was going to start a business today, I would not because of the unstable economic conditions which were created by the federal government and the federal reserve.

          • Joe H.

            Meteorlady,
            now there’s a concept, politicians following the LAW??! Wow! What a strange thought!!

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Helllllllllo RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN…..Anybody home??????????????? The gangs (thieves and thugs currently in DC) and many warlords (many Czars) are already there! Oh…guess they slithered in while you were snoozin’!

        Fed Up Gal

        • Joe H.

          Fed Up,
          Watch it, you’re gonna have doc after you with all those question marks!!! He doesn’t like those or exclamation marks!!!! HEHEHEHAHAHAHOHOHO!!!!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Yeah Joe H,….you’re probably right….and you took the words (for my response) right out of my mouth….”HEHEHEHAHAHAHOHOHO!!!!”
            LoLLLLLLLLL Funnnnnnny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

            Fed Up Gal

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Amazing!

            A lot of insults that only show a lack of facts and decent argument.

            There are no assumptions that need to be made other than how you make and support your arguments. If you can’t take off your filters to avoid static, that is something you have to deal with.

            It would be a good thing if I could exchange points with a Bill Buckley type of conservative rather than Ayn Rand. Despite Rand’s background and dysfunctional bias, she claimed to support reason in discussing government and economics, but had a convoluted jump-step approach to doing even that.

            Here’s another definition of FASCISM: “Fascism is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives; values; and systems such as the political system and the economy. Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum, although some scholars claim that fascism has been influenced by both the left and the right.”

            To take the road of being a shill of corporate Fascism is one choice. It ignores the fact that those jobs can exist for only a few in those corporate offices. They decide if the labor costs are too expensive in one part of the world, they will just ship the capital equipment needed to another part to exploit the cheap labor there. That is the “free enterprise” they exercise. It is not driven by democracy, or republicanism, or any other political theory. It is driven by the profit motive.

            The most any middle class person can hope for is a job at whatever level of salary that can be got and hope for the best for employment longevity and good health to stay in that job as long as possible. I have been there and done that and paid my dues to finally reach retirement. So don’t give me tripe on that.

            The yo-yo of investing in these corporate international socialists is that the annuity, 401(k) or whatever you have got will grow until your retire. But, if you lose your job due to an economic slump brought on by unregulated markets, such as WallStreet in 2008, or personal disasters such as a loss of health or accident, the income from a job is lost, the annuity or 401(k), etc, has to be cashed in to survive and if that is not going to last, then to sell off home and other wealth that had been accumulated in living the American Dream.

            Now, if you argue on the points I’ve made I will respect you and debate the points.

            Otherwise, you have nothing but the insults you can throw.

            And I can do better than you at that too.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            RUN,

            I’d be happy to debate your point…..but I’m sorry….I just can’t seem to find one (a point that is) to your inconsistent and chaotic comments. Trust me….I’ve tried to give you the benefit of doubt….but your comments are not helping me meet you anywhere close to half-way….so I’ve chosen to not expend too much energy on trying to decipher your on-again, off-again comments.

            One more thing, you might want to step away from that mirror before referring to someone else’s comments as insulting.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Mike In MI

            OK, RadioUpNorth -

            Now I see where you’re coming from, where you have the digression in your thinking and why it’s hard for people to follow your arguments.
            Your writing is convoluted because of vague word/english usages, the double-talk and double-think that passes for socialist philosophical discourse, and your bitterness about how you’ve been screwed by the people who sold you the dream you pursued, but didn’t protect. The philosophical double-think mixes you up while you do it and try to write – let alone your readers as they read.

            The first thing you have to face is the fact that Socialism is the
            ideotology that led to your nest egg getting plunderred. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd have been running the show in finances and regulatory oversight in Washington for a long time. Barney (Clue #1: a truely reprobate minded, openly homosexual Democrat) along with Bill Clinton, Robert Rubin and progressive planners set up conditions for boomtimes in the ’90s, consolidation of wealth and engineered sack of the financial system in 2008. They did it for their socialist corporate buddies in their favorite boardrooms who worked with them to rob all of us. That’s NAZI policy. Government control of finances feeding social democrats in corporate positions…elitists to the core serving devilish ends at the expense of the voting public they overlord. Lies, parsing phrases, manipulating word definitions (“investment” in place of taxes), double-talk and double-think are their stock-in-trade.

            They try to get control of media to tell only their side of events, put out propaganda that makes them look like clergy doing work only for the good of the people while destroying good work and reputations of adversaries. Encouraging “diversity”, they talk “washingtonese” instead of American english. (When God wanted to inhibit the evil people at Babel He disrupted their languages and confusion caused them to scatter.) Now, the evil one is turning that around for his ends.

            Radio, your unhappy state is the results of listening to thieves, liars and murderers (Proverbs 1:10-15) who you thought were your benefactors. The same goes for all you people following socialist rhetoric and idiotology. They stoke you with jealousy to get you distracted, then steal what is yours, or take you out if you get in the way. That is their history and time tested methodology. It’s all in the Bible. So you could have and should have taken heed. Call it your own fault.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Mike in MI,

            Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Great explanation! I pray that he gets it now. I kind of feel bad for RUN, but he also bears much of the responsibility to improve his place in life…not to mention his sadness.

            Fed Up Gal

    • Hugh Jordin

      Here’s what happened yesterday:

      After being addressed by Republican Leader John Boehner and Rep. Joe “You Lie” Wilson, tea party activists launched a series of bigoted attacks at House Democrats walking to a meeting with the President.

      Reports from the protest include claims of shouting disgusting racial epithets at civil rights hero Rep. John Lewis and terrible homophobic derogatory language at Rep. Barney Frank — as well as going so far to actually spit on a member of Congress.

      Right wing paranoid nut jobs can be real proud of this dignified behavior… and the stupidity of allowing themselves to be influenced by slime bags like Glenn Beck.

      Such behavior is sickening and an embarrassment to our country.

      The Tea Party should go have and console them,selves with chilled suppositories.

      • Jana

        Hugh Jordan,
        I wondered when that would happen. There were too many reports of the Tea Partiers being nice and decent people for the opposition to not infiltrate with the Tea Party Movement to discredit them.

        You see Hugh, since their is no structured organization, it is easy for the leftists and disgruntled to come in under the guise of being a normal middle American wanting to stand up for goodness back in our country, and stand up for our great Constitution. They sneak in pretending, in order to destroy. They haven’t really fooled anyone except people like you who think people on our side have no right to express their beliefs, and most of the news media who are after anything they can use to discredit the Tea Party Movement.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Very good reply, Jana!

          Fed Up Gal

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Jana,

          Not sure, but so far there does not seem to be a credible video clip to substantiate the claims of racial comments by protestors.

          Fed Up Gal

      • Mike In MI

        Hey, Hugh Jordin,

        Why is it nobody on the Obama side of the world got even a little offended when The Obama’s brown shirts showed up at a town hall meeting and beat up that patriotic black fellow last summer? The mindless union gangsters hired and brought in to control Nancy, Harry and Barak’s cheerleading festival, as far as I know, never were arrested for assault and battery. But that’s not a hate crime or anything. That’s just the way socialists, fascists and Communists have usually dealt with dissent against the leaders they front.

        I expect they will get more and more violent and oppresive as Americans who love freedom watch it be stolen day by day, bribe by bribe, earmark by damnable earmark, Article by Bill of Rights article.

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za pete

    Remember the words of Bill…..” God grant me the ability to change what I can, to accept what I cannot and the wisdom to know the difference.” here is not one Democrat anywhere who even understands the meaning of those words, including the sanctimonious potus.

    The time has come to change what we can, to leave what we cannot and to get to grips with our priorities and sort them out or else we are all in mighty big trouble.

    • DaveH

      Pete,
      You’re being a little harsh. There are plenty of Democrats who aren’t redistributionist but just don’t like the Republicans meddling in their personal choices.

    • CJ

      I think most politicians understand it, they just lack the key part of the third point. They’re blinded by ambition to prove normal wisdom wrong, just to make a name for themselves.

  • OtherTim

    If it weren’t for talk radio and FOX giving us the REAL scoop, the country would have been down the toilet by now. Haven’t watched NBC, CBS, ABC for years.
    The Hollywood crowd does not live in the real world, (LALA land) they can afford to do as they please (cars, houses, vacations, etc) and have their accountants handle the taxes for them. They don’t have a clue how the rest of us live, so long as we stay in our place on the ladder. Just keep buying their movies.

    • Norm

      OtherTim
      I watch all news channels, including Fox. Fox is extremely biased to the right. Msmbc is very leftist. The main networks, ABC,CBS,NBC, and CNN are pretty fair.

      • David

        They are a little better now because their ratings plunged. Report the real scoop and people will come. I do prefer Fox as they draw in both sides for heated debates. It’s fun to watch people who preach on their feelings (liberals) versus ones who preach the facts (consevatives).

        • michael

          Fox news wouldn’t know a fact if it bit them in the [offensive word removed]

          • David

            See I pulled another liberal out of the bushes! Don’t you have your own websites? Oh yea, you are all alone there…..

          • Richard

            Let’s talk Glenn Beck. If you were to take out ALL of the commentary and only view the audio and video clips from Obama and those in his administration that are shown on Glenn Beck’s program, any rational person could only come to one of five conclusions. Obama is either a Marxist, socialist, facist, communist, or a combination of the four. Since I am sure you will say I’m nuts…here is my challenge Michael, take your coolaid and have a seat, watch two week of Beck and mute Glenn out. You might just learn something.

          • Joe H.

            michael,
            No, it bites you in the assetts because they tell the truth other than the truth with the liberal progressive slant to it. I hope they KEEP on biting you on the but DAILY!!!

          • Joe

            I agree that FOX news is not news at all. I have tried to watch it several times but it is really just a show with a lot of opinions by open conservatives. That is ok by me, just don’t call it news.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          DAVID, LIBERAL SIGHTS___SHHHHH___LISTEN TO THE CRICKETS!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          David,

          And…..the truth comes out! Thank you David!

          Fed Up Gal

      • Barb

        Norm, I guess we’re destined to lock horns continually! ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, are all very biased to the left. They don’t report the news they give their opinion of the news period. They trashed the commentator from Fox News who interviewed Obama the other night and they all used the same word to describe it “contentious”. A big word for them. That was THE first interview where Obama actually was asked a few hard questions and the rest of the media had a hissy fit. He interrupted the President they said! Oh horrors, how many times did other presidents get interrupted? LOTS of TIMES. And all he wanted was for Obama to answer the question at hand. EVERY station had nothing but harsh criticism of what was a great interview by Bayer(spelling?) not so good of Obama, of course he didn’t have a prompter either did he? The only one that at least tells the truth is Fox. That’s why Obama hates Fox News! The rest call themselves journalists, the are just a bunch of script readers and not very good at that anymore!

        • Norm

          Barb
          I saw some bytes of the interview. The interviewer was rude, disrespectful and totally obnoxious. It was not a fact finding interview, it was an attempt to abase and humiliate the president. The interview reminded of a Sean Hannity shouting contest. Sean alwas amazes me with his Marine DI style. You pick a insignificant detail, and scream “answer my question”, thus drowning any attemp to get to the facts.
          Right wing dings can’t handle facts.

          • David

            No it wasn’t. Brett did an excellent job of making the president answer the questions. “o” likes to showboat and eat up interview time. I don’t care who you are, that was a good interview.

          • usmadgirl

            Norm,

            You wouldn’t know a fact if it slapped you in the face. The only RUDE & obnoxious one in that interview was O-dumbo!

            Bret got his questions from the people who sent them in. If you watched more than liberal sound bites, you would’ve seen what an arrogant piece of crap you worship! All he did was to clarify what we’ve always known – that this HC hoax is a starter home for a single payer system & universal health care.

            O-dumbo is evil & if you want to transform our country into a “progressive utopia” then you are evil as well. My question is why, since you hate this system, don’t you just go to Europe where your “dream socialist system” is already in place & leave our free enterprise, capitalist REPUBLIC alone? I love my country & because of progressives like you & all the other liberal loons on this site, the people who DO love our country are having to reap the chaos of your ignorance! You don’t deserve to live in this great nation! You don’t want to transform something you LOVE.

          • JC

            They’ll insist on an answer because they’re trying to get to the facts.
            Speaking in vague generalities is not giving facts and that’s what politicians do.

          • Norm

            usmadgirl
            Is that mad as in angry or mad as in insane.

            The president deserves respect, not for the person, but for the job.
            I wouldn’t have felt any different if the interview had been with Bush.

            These arrogant twits think they are very clever but clever people don’t resort to nastiness and rudness.

          • JeffH

            Normy baby, it’s kinda hard to get a politician to give anything but a doublespeak answer on anything, let alone a truthful answer. Obama’s sit down with BB never was going to be truthful. He agreed because he though BB was a whimp. Obama was doing his uhh, mmm, ohh, mmm routine…which is his lie indicator. Obama spent whatever time he had either lieing or trying to scold Beier. It was a joke from the very outset!

          • usmadgirl

            Norm,

            Not that I owe you an explanation, but it’s mad as in angry (& getting angrier daily) at all the uninformed or misinformed people who voted for the radical Marxist or Mao-loving Chicago “community organizing” thug that YOU call YOUR president. I didn’t PICK that name, Tinwarble chose it because we’re both angry at the incredibly insanity happening to our country because of people like you!

            You don’t get respect just because you hold a “title” or because you THINK you deserve it or because you DEMAND it. I don’t care WHO you are, you have to EARN respect! He was arrogant & rude to Bret Baier just like he was to John McCain & others at the health care summit. He is a controlling narcissist & that is NOT what we need to run our country.

          • Joe H.

            Normy Baby,
            if that’s true, then go tell Katie Couric that her interview of Bush was very disrespectful!!!! you will see respect on fox when the person that is being interviewed deserves it. Obummer has lied to the American people so much that he is losing what little respect he had at the beginning of his campaign!!! He is the first sitting president that I have ever seen that got some in congress so incensed that they called him a liar while he was giving a speech. None before him have lied as much and shown so much disdane for the American people. His spouse is just as bad! I truly feel sorry for his kids. imagine what it’s gonna be like for them in about 7 years when they read in the newspaper that their Dad was the worst president in American history!!!! Poor kids!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Norm,

            Maybe folks would be more respectful to the President, if he were at least doing a “respectful” job at being President! He is not above earning respect, from those paying his salary…. whether he likes it or not.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Jana

            You want us to be respectful of the man just because he is called President. How can anyone be respectful of anyone who hates our country? He is destroying this great nation, remember hope and change? Yeah, hope for the communists of this country to change us into a socialist /Communistic country. NO I DO NOT RESPECT OBAMA FOR BRINGING OUR COUNTRY DOWN!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          You go, Barb! You nailed it!

          Fed Up Gal

        • usmadgirl

          Barb,

          O-dumbo was just his usual rude, arrogant, campaigning narcissistic self. He was hateful to Bret Baier & just made me want to scream as I barfed! If Bret hadn’t at least tried to interrupt him every now & then, the first question would have been the ONLY question! He just continued campaigning because that’s the only thing he knows how to do! He can’t answer a question without his best friend (the teleprompter)!

          Bret & O’Reilly are the only people who have ever asked him any questions with substance & the questions Bret asked him were from the people who sent them to him! I think Bret was very patient & respectful of his “office”! I don’t think you deserve respect just because you or your “title” demand it! You have to EARN it! O-dumbo hasn’t earned anything except disrespect for destroying our country!

      • Joe H.

        Norm,
        Oh yeah, the alphabets are fair!!! Sure they are(wink, wink) Ever listened to Katie does this skirt make me fat?Couric??? When Bush Jr won his first term, Katie never once called him president Bush or Mr president, it was always Mr Bush, and the disgust just dripped from her chin!! that is what you call fair and balanced? I now understand why you are a Progressive!!!!

      • DaveH

        Give me a break Norm. ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN are Big Government supporters. Fox is a Freedom Supporter.
        As to whether any of them belong on the left or right depends on what your defintion of left or right is.

        • Norm

          DaveH
          Freedom supporter? You guys are so far to the right that you think center right is liberal. Fox with Beck, Hannity, VonSostrom(?), OReilly, Hume, Gearaldo, Wallace, etc, etc are is a very biased network.

          • DaveH

            I support your Freedom Norm a lot more than you support mine. The Healthcare Bill which would unconstitutionally force me to buy Insurance, which I know is a waste of money, is a good example of your distaste for my Freedom.
            I realize that the Liberals idea of Freedom is the Freedom to live on OPM, but just because you join the Biggest Gang in the Land doesn’t make you any less thieves.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Norm,

            Hmmmmmm….that’s why Fox consistently allows disenting viewpoints….while those “lamestream” media folks barely stick their pinkie toe in the water!

            Fed Up Gal

          • usmadgirl

            Norm,

            Greta VAN SUSTEREN is a Dumb-o-crat & even she hates what O-dumbo is doing to our country! Geraldo is a Dumb-o-crat! Shepherd Smith is a Dumb-o-crat & so are at least half of the Fox News contributors so don’t even go there! You know about as much about Fox News as I know about “rocket science”!

        • Jana

          Norm is so biased he doesn’t know which way is up. His judgment is twisted and common sense for him does not exist.

        • J C

          Funny Norm, we were just Americans until the rabid left ran so far to the left they disappeared over the horizon. I guess that’s why we look so far right to you.
          Truth is we haven’t moved….you have, right out into socialist oblivion.

          • Jana

            JC EXACTLY.!!!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            JC / Jana,

            Perfect!

            Fed Up Gal

      • JeffH

        FOX must have something going for them as they are the major player in the game with none of the others close enough to see in their rear view mirror. You and your sort are in the minority. Try watching a channel the relly does present all sides of the arguement. Of course you might have to watch all day long.

        • michael

          I know a lot of liberals watch fox because it’s entertaning watching these idiots and their yellow journalism. If I were to watch Beck on mute like suggested above I would call the paddy wagon, the guy is nuts or has a bad case itchy balls the way he jumps around. Just remember not everyone that watches fox or listens to conservative radio are conservatives we just like watching and listening to a bunch of pathetic losers. It’s like watching a Train wreck. Yes we liberals have many websites but if I get this one sent to me all the time I figure I might as well Respond.

          • David

            There’s my liberal buddy talking about men and their balls again…..admit it you watch for the good debates. They even allow your people to tell their pathetic non-factual side.

          • Joe H.

            GeeMichael;
            If there are so many dems watching Fox then why didn’t they support Air America???? Why don’t they watch some dem show or an alphabet and get THEM half the ratings that Fox Has??? Know why??? because you are full of SH>T!!!

      • CJ

        I guess you didn’t see NBC the other night with their “Fleecing” spot on Repbulicans against the stimulus bill. They looked to villanize them for trying to get some of the money (back) the bill authorized. So, fighting against a bill that takes one’s taxes, loosing that fight, then submitting forms to get some of it back is hypocricy to NBC. They think you should stand by your ideal and just let the government use your money elsewhere. No, NBC hasn’t changed.

      • Meteorlady

        They are only getting a little better because we have stopped watching them and their ratings are in the toilet. So they have to change to keep making money. I bet the exec and owners are having fits because that is probably not the direction they wanted the news slated. CNN is better and I do watch that now an again, but mostly I just read and decided of myself. I just want the news story, I don’t want the extra commentary and clipped footage that they try and give me now. Journalism is not what it used to be because it is highly censored by the networks.

        • Joe H.

          meteorlady,
          Imagine having Katie I’m biased Kourlcs million dollar contract and have your ratings TANK!!!!! I’ll bet the producer is drinking malox by the GALLON!!!!!!

      • http://SRT Kevin W.345

        NBC,CBS, PBS, and ABC are all liberal leaning networks.

    • Cella

      And now you are glad to admit that Conservative Republicans are brain washed. Watching shows run by Democrats would be a show with their views. The same as Fox is for Republicans. It is ok to watch people that share your views, but to think it is the gospel. If you are not open minded to know that politicians lie, they tell you what you want to hear. And Glen Beck , who could be compared to Hitler. The spell he has on people is amazing. I am glad I have a brain and am open minded. And just because Glen Beck who earns around 500 thousand a week, and does not like to pay taxes. If you make less than 250 thousand dollars a year and do not share that same tax breaks as Glen and his rich cronies do. You are a complete re-tard. I can tell you when the cameras are turned off, ole Glen is making fun of you while he sits back and the dollars role in. LOL LOL

      • David

        The main reason GB is so popular is because your three goobers (obama, pelosi, reid) have jerked this country so far to the left so fast that people have whiplash and want to know what they can do to fix it.

        Funny how you relate GB to Hitler with him being a Jew and all?? If the left does manage to crash our economy and send us into a depression then the next Hilter will rise because now you will have pissed off the majority of the country and the public will be looking for someone to jerk the country back to the right…..but it may go too far right. It will take a while for the pendulum to reach equilibrium again. SO WHY DO WE NEED TO SWING WAY LEFT?

      • Richard

        Your comments only prove you know nothing of Glenn Beck. If you watched and if you knew true American history, you would realize Beck is more like our founding fathers than the Stalin, Lenin, and Mao band of brothers the progressives worship.

        • Cella

          I read all the time and also watch Glen Beck. I get to laughing so hard, you know have you ever heard of the World Laughter Tour? You know it is a proven fact what good laughter is for people.

          I can also tell you Glen Beck is not like Thomas Jefferson or any founding fathers. He is a Communist who believes he is above all people that do not make 500 thousand dollars a week. You know he was a drunk, and he ain’t no Christian. How many wives does he have???? Was he really born in the US? He is a thief and a liar. Anyone that thinks someone that earns as much money as he does and should pay less taxes than my neighbor who makes 75 thousand dollars a year is a complete idiot.

          • DaveH

            Congratulations, you have reached new levels of Depravity on this board, Cella.

          • Norm

            Cella
            Communist no, mentally deranged yes.

          • JeffH

            Wow! You don’t dislike GB by any chance do you? He must really piss you off!

          • Jo

            Cella, you’re out to lunch. Get checked before someone has to carry you off in a straight jacket.

          • CJ

            Cella, you seem to have a problem needing professional attention. You indicate that Glenn upsets you, but you keep going back to re-fuel that anger. Glenn knows the only way to balance the far left is to have someone bringing up issues to the far right, and people find balance in the middle. Progressives know this, too. So they throw off the balance to the far left, hoping everything the balance will shift in their favor. We here don’t buy that concept and know where the real balance point needs to be. And if that takes in-your-face extreme opposite possibilities to wake the middle up, than that’s what he gives. He just has the willingness to say things the progressives don’t want heard, but needs to be.

          • Barb

            Like I said, These people scare the crap out of you lefties! You just proved it Cella!

          • Jana

            Cella, you said and i quote,”It is ok to watch people that share your views, but to think it is the gospel.” That statement also goes for you.
            Watching Oberman sp? is pathetic.

          • Dennis

            LMFAO
            You have obviously mistaken Glen Beck for Obama or you are very stupid.

          • usmadgirl

            Cella-phane,

            Yes, we can see right through you! You have just managed to prove to all the conservatives on this site that progressives live in a completely “upside down, backwards world”!

            If you truly believe what you’re saying, then you need professional help. Glenn Beck is the ONLY person on ANY news channel that tells the EXACT truth (& if I have to type this again I’m gonna scream) & proves EVERYTHING he says by FACT straight from the JACKASSES mouths! If THAT’s not proof, you just can’t GET proof!

            All you Mao, Che, Chavez-loving Socialists do is lie about everything & try to change anything that’s good into evil & anything that’s evil into something fantastic! You’re all so confused that I can’t help but feel sorry for you!

          • Meteorlady

            Poor Celia – so absorbed with money. Do you really think that people are not entitled to make lots and lots of money? Do you actually know who pays the majority of the taxes in this country? I’ll help you out a little here:

            Top 5% of wage earners pay 53.25%
            Top 10% of wage earners pay 64.89%
            Top 50% of wage earners pay 96.03%

            What do you pay? It’s also a fact that every time a President has cut taxes, the GDP goes up and the government actually receives more revenue. That’s because of job creation and a stronger economy.

          • Mike In MI

            Cella -

            What is it with you and Glenn Beck’s income, and most of the people, issues you bring up. You are a jealous, vindictive, money grubber of a gold bricking, green-eyed, cheap, welfare brained, tenement-trash. I’ll bet you used to smoke a lot of pot when young men were glad to buy for you as a medium of exchange. You learned the 60′s and 70′s mind set realgood, which believed that anybody who has anything screwwed somebody to get it. You decided you would never get anything that way.
            Except for the three fatherless kids, you were right.

        • usmadgirl

          Richard,

          THANK YOU!!!

      • Joe H.

        Cella,
        Spoken like a paid liberal shill!!!!

        • Joe H.

          Hey cella the goof ball,
          you do know glenn has one wife hes been married to for quite awhile now don’t you??? He also has a handicapped kid and he dotes on her. he is very loving to her and proud of her accomplishments. she ran track and the teacher told her that she didn’t have to finish the race, that she could set down on the track if she wanted to. She got mad and she finished her race. she competed against herself and improved her times every race. Her graduating year she was team captain!!!! I’d say he has a right to be proud of her!!! He’s a good man and you are a shill trying to cut down a man whose underware you couldn’t even wash!!!! you’re not fit to!!!

          • usmadgirl

            Joe H,

            Evil people can’t recognize anything good & decent! They don’t understand the passion that we have for a country we love because they hate everything about it! They don’t have the foggiest what Glenn is all about! It makes me angry!

      • michael

        Amen Cella

      • Joe H.

        Cella,
        I’m sure Glenn will be glad to know he is making half a mill a month!!!! He’s gonna do a back flip!!!! Hey dingus, Rush doesn’t even make that!!!! Pay Envy????

        • Joe H.

          cella,
          Scuse me i just reread and he will be doing double one and a half gainers when he finds out it’s half a mill a week!!! Or 26 mill a year!!! Wow he’s gonna be soooo happy!!! Are you THAT BLOND??? (no offense to any other blonds meant!! my wife is blond!!)

  • Barb

    Being conservative is part of our problem. We sit back and just take what ever is dished out. We don’t whine, we just go on and persevere and pray things will get better. Thus we are known as the “Silent Majority”. Well thank you Mr. Obama for making us mad as hell, because we ain’t gonna take it anymore and the sleeping giant is up and at’um now. So look out to all you so called progressive liberals aka Socialist Commies because here we come!! And for those of you who say that Rush, Hannity , Beck, et al are just “entertainers” and not politicians you are sadly mistaken as usual. You are right they aren’t politicians thank God, we don’t need more of those, what they do is teach, guide, inform, tell the truth in an industry that has lied for decades and they spread hope to a Nation much deserving of it. The left has no one to compare with them thus the tremendous jealousy and outrage towards them. No one on the left is as smart and knowledgeable of American history and politics or as witty as any of these hosts so all you lefties can do is attack them. If anyone of these guys or gals were to run for office they would win and they would turn Washington upside down and all you lefties know that AND fear that. Stay tuned!

    • Norm

      Barb
      Conservitives don’t whine?? What planet do you live on? Listen to McConnel, Bohener, Canter, and the rest. The just can’t stand being in the minority. Every body who doesn’t agree with them is a communist.
      Take a look a who voted for the part D medicare drug fiasco. The republican names might suprise you. Big government to a conservative is acceptable, I guess.

      • Barb

        Here we go again Norm,
        Medicare maybe a partial entitlement, but unlike welfare and MediCAID each and every person who works pays into Medicare each and every paycheck. Just like with Social Security, we pay into it every damn paycheck,therefore any money we use in our time of retirement to pay for prescriptions through Medicare D I feel is already paid for by my husband and I for the last 45 years! I don’t like it and If I’m not mistaken here I do believe this was all started by a democrat to begin with. At least Medicare D is one program WE can get on, that is rare! So go whine somewhere else, Norm!

        • Cella

          How is that government run health care going for you??? I can tell you love it, love it, love it. What a big hypocrite. You get cheap health care. You had pennies taken out of your paycheck compared to what the young people today are paying for you. They need to stop Medicare now. You need to go out and buy it on the open market from insurance companies now like everyone else does. Social Security should be a taxable income once you have drawn out more than you paid into it. If you think this will never happen, you are surely mistaken. The views of people in this country are so radical now, riddled with hate, hide and watch. If you think younger people are going to continue to be poor, living without insurance while seniors sit back with usually a great pension and SS, you are sadly mistaken. You Conservatives have opened a can of worms, and you are not the only ones that have opinions. I just do not think you are going to like them all.

          • David

            Right Cella, if you think the young hard working, college educated people are going to sit back and watch you liberals allow illegals to jump on the health care bus without paying a dime into; you are sadly mistaken.

            Hello, even my 15 year old is signing up civics/politics in highschool. Not because I preach to him or have GB blasting all the time….but because he sees what is going on around him and is listening to the topics of disscussion….such as a gov take over of the private sector. Thanks for helping to wake up the xbox generation!

            Heck cap/trade is next. That will finish off the energy intensive industries. Then we will all be dependant on the gov…..not while “we the real people” are still here.

          • DaveH

            Cella,
            Some of your points are valid, but you have turned off potential listeners with you foul Liberal-like personal attacks. Wise up Girl.

          • JeffH

            Well well Cella with your eyes slammed shut! It didn’t take long for you to reveal your true identity. Identify your true self and once again take the verbal abuse you love. eyes with the size 15EEEE shoved in your mouth!

          • Cella

            David, I guess you did not learn how to read. No illegals ain’t gonna get covered. Wow, a broken record..So worried about illegals. They are not included in the health care. As ole Joe said”you lie” Get the facts straight. LIE, LIE, LIe, LIE . NO MEXICANS ARE INCLUDED IN THE HEALTH CARE BILL. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

          • CJ

            David, glad your kid is taking civics. But don’t forget economics. To be well rounded, it takes understanding both extreme potentials. In the end, everybody votes with their $$$. And it’s human nature to keep all we can, while the government wants to regulate that.

          • David

            Cella, immagration reform is next….so they will be citizens. I think that comes after cap/trade or is it card check.

          • David

            I agree completely CJ.

          • DaveH

            Does Cella remind you of anyone? Like maybe a spoiled teenager who doesn’t become unspoiled until he has to get out and make his own living?

          • Meteorlady

            People protested when SS, Medicare and Medicaid were signed into law. But, the fact remains that we working people paid into those plans, our of specific payroll taxes, all our working lives and deserve to at least get some of our money back. It would be like the UAW robbing the pension funds of it’s covered workers. SS was a promise made to the workers of this country and meant to be a “supplemental retirement” income. If you think I like the program you are wrong, but Democratic congresses passed these laws and the silent majority just let that happen. Now congress and stolen enough money from the SS system to fund other social programs, that it is going broke and Medicare is already broke. Doctors in my area are already refusing to take new Medicare/Medicaid patients. There are long waiting lists for doctors that do accept these plans. You can go back in history and look at how these programs have grown and how fraud and waste within them has grown even faster. So why pass a new health care plan when they can’t even manage the one’s they already have?

          • Joe H.

            cella,
            I’m gonna see if your thought process works here. Right now there are about 24 million illegals here getting served at all the emergency rooms across this nation because they aren’t allowed to ask if they are legal. Remember the sign in the ER that states that very fact?? Well, without specific language in the bill, the same will continue even in the Dr.s office!!!!! their drain on our society will only get worse. now was this easy enough for you to understand? If not, dear girl, I’m willing to try again!! Have a good day,lady!!!

        • Norm

          Barb
          I don’t use D, I get my drugs from a former employer’s plan. I think D is good, but the way it was enacted was bogus. It is unbelievably expensive, and not very good. Congressmen Bohener and Canter both voted for it in the House even though it included no financing provisions. I’ve included the list of senators who voted for it(down a few postings). I believe it was primarly written by former congresswoman Nancy Johnson(Republican)from my state and district. She has employment elsewhere these days.

          • Barb

            We’re still paying in and wondering when we do retire if we will even get a pittance of what we put in. I know a few widows who are very ill who depend on Medicare D it may not be ideal but finally there is something out there to help the middle class for once and Norm you have to admit that doesn’t happen very often. We will have our own insurance unless Obama screws that up for us, so to answer your question Cella we won’t be using Medicare that much if at all. We’re hoping not at all, sooo we aren’t hypocrites as you would like us to be we payed into it all this time but we planned on it being bankrupt before we retired just like SS. We planned way ahead so we are self sufficient and won’t need the government. I just thought it was nice to finally have a program for the middle class out there. So how is that government free heath care working for you, Cella?

          • Joe H.

            Normy baby,
            Read your first two sentences again. Is “D” good or is “D” bad? Which is it???

      • J C

        I guess there are some conservatives who whine…but most of just get into “boots on the ground / lock and load” mode. Most of us are dead serious about our rights and we aim to keep them.

      • usmadgirl

        Norm,

        You confuse “whining” with telling the truth! Since you’ve NEVER heard the truth from YOUR side, you wouldn’t have a clue what Mitch McConnel, John Boener, Jim DeMint, Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, Michele Bachmann, Tom Coburn & others were even talking about!

        YOU guys can HAVE Olympia Snowe, Lindsey Graham & a few others! They’d fit right in with your progressive group!

        • Norm

          The crowd you named above has one thing in common, hypocracy. If you look at some of the big government legislation they supported under Bush, when they also had a majority, it will amaze you. It’s equally amazing, frankly, the legislation the the Dems didn’t support during that period. The truth is that it’s all about politics.

        • Joe H.

          USmadgirl,
          Just recently I getting proud to say Boehner is from Ohio!!! Only just recently though!! He is finally telling the way things are!

          • usmadgirl

            JoeH,

            He’s impressed me lately as well as a lot of other Republicans. I think they’re learning their lesson! I think the O-dumbo administration has awakened THEM as well as most of us! I don’t think some of the Republicans even realized how big the government was getting until “the people” pointed it out to them & until they started seeing THIS administration taking us on the road of complete transformation to what we & most of them grew up despising & being terrified of.

          • usmadgirl

            Joe H.

            I do hope you’re PROUD of John Boehner after his speech tonight. Even goofy Geraldo said it was better than the “Kennedy rant” a week or so ago. Senator Boehner made me cry with his speech! He was incredible! Wish the stupid progressives had actually taken heed to the message! We’re SCREWED! “Don’t Cry for Me America”! Goodbye wonderful United States of America! Hello Argentina!

      • Norm

        joeh
        D is good in principle but very bad in implementation.

    • Jana

      Barb, you are so right. We sat back as we have never been activists, and we allowed these lefty loonies to take over our country. But, we have been awakened and we are fighting back now and these Communist wannabe’s don’t like it and they attack, just like bullies do. They make a big noise because they are frustrated with someone who makes sense. They can’t argue with facts, so they attack the messenger and try to distort the message.
      Beck is teaching truth and American History and this scares these Communist leftist. They want to distort the truth and lie, but when people know the truth these people’s cover is blown.
      Fox News is number 1 for a reason. Again attacks and more lies about this network.

      Keep huffing and puffing liberals. Our house is not made out of straw.

  • http://www.edward-r-eismon.com Ed Eismon

    I was reading the bio of Chip Wood, and was pleased to know that he was acquainted with Gary Allen, author of “None Dare Call It Conspiracy!”

    I used to buy Allen’s books by the box and give them to anyone that would listen, everyone thought we were nuts back then.

    Now look at our country, people are playing catch-up, but I do believe we will win.

    As ever,
    Ed

    • Mike In MI

      ED -

      Hey thanks for bringing that up -about “None Dare Call – - “. I was influenced years ago to read that book. It has recurrently come to mind through the years. There’s somethig that really strongly struck my mind and has stayed with me.

      Isn’t there a place in that book that indicated whenever Commies take over a nation they kill, imprison or otherwise double-cross the very people who helped put them in power? I mean, those people know where the dead bodies are and all the dirty tricks/dealings done to get into control. Also, the lower level lackies fall H,L & S for the touchy-feelie talk and worthy-sounding-tripe propaganda. Then when they see the truth they realize they’ve been had and react. So, they have to get rid of them – en masse. Tell all the Rachel Maddow’s and her fellow-travellers to think about that little communist phenomenon. They think they’re working for power and prestige later… hunh-uh.

      • TIME

        Mike,
        Its called clean up or removal of any possible problems.
        “Once a traitor, you can never trust that traidor.” {Mao 1948.}
        Also noted by: Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Chea, Castro, just to name a few.
        As Uncle Joe said; Anyone who was aware of what we did and aided can’t be trusted ever. Don’t even trust anyone in our own familys.

        Just as Uncle Joe failed to trust his officers after the invasion of Poland in September 1939, thus he had 35 thousand of his own officers killed, 165 thousand NCO and EM went in that grouping.
        But hey, why let fact stand in the way.

    • Richard

      I am with you Ed. I read “None Dare…” in 1973 and still tell people they need to read it. It proves the progressive movement has been at work for more than a century. Love the fact that the author was one of them until he did his research for the book and then became a conservative. Truth always wins out…sadly most don’t read enough history to discover the truth.

  • Mike In MI

    Congratulations and thanks, Chip , for many a laugh and a lot of inspiring and informational listening.

    Last night I was thinking about the Diseasde Care Insurance Bill that is tryig to be foisted upon us in the House of Reprehnsibles and something occurred to me. Obama must not be at all proud of this bill. OR, HE’S TRYING TO AVOID SOMETHING. WHAT IS GOING ON.

    HE never sponsored either or any of the bills before either the Senate or the House. President’s always put their names on legislation they want to be remembered for. Why Doesn’t Obama want his name associated with this abortion? :

    Because He knows its an attack on the Constitution, The Bill of Rights and the fundamental documents of freedom and guarantors of our Weal. Obama took a vow to protect and defend those Documents of Freeedom. He can be horribly criticized and demeaned, I think, for
    for leaving poor little Nancy and Harry hanging out therein the wind to push these bills. He has done next to nothing because he doesn’t want to be accused of proposing UnConstitutional and illegal legislation – and by illegal maneuvering.

    I think it will be worth it to bring his to the attention of the talk show scene hosts around the country and folks attending the rallies in Washington – give Obama a hotfoot by building a fire his tootsies and holding him on it.

    Ask him why he isn’t proud enough of the bill to put his name on it. Once he does that we can think about the big “I” word.

    • Joe H.

      Mike in Mich,
      If p-lousy goes under it won’t matter, as long as her nose is from lying to us she could be in thirty feet of water and still breath freely!!!

      • Joe H.

        Mike in Mich,
        i forgot to sat before that it is good to see there are still a few conservatives in my old birth state!! God Bless!!!

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Great article, but caution! Two white guys out of Chicago in the 60′s started the “weathermen” movement(Charles Manson took off on these guys, remember him?)to lead the Blacks in America to rule America! These two guys(Glenn Beck has mentioned them, but in another context, I believe about Marxism)brought Obama to the white house and they are now in Africa to unite all the black nations into a “New World Order Marxist regime!” Obama was first because that gave the UN Veto Power from America for 70% of the UN countries, which are black nations! If anyone thinks that China or Russia will be concerned about what is called WASP Americans, GET OVER IT! They don’t care at all! Jacob’s trouble is at our door! WATCH! Perhaps this fall! A witness for YAHWEH through his son, YAHSHUA!

    • Norm

      Victor L Barney
      Gee I never heard that story.

    • Countrygirl60

      Yeshua ia coming back. Get right with Him, or get left behind. That ain’t just a catchy title for a book series, either.

      We have walked away from Yahweh, and we are reaping what our politicians have been sowing for years. Left, right; Democrat, Republican; liberal, conservative. Makes no difference in His eyes. Who do you worship? Is it the creator of heaven and Earth, Yeshua, or someone or thing else? Follow Him who died for your sins. Then you will have eternal life with Him in heaven. My guide to follow? The Bible. It tells me I should engage in civil disobedience. I will.

  • Eric S.

    Good to know you’re not in a big isolated bubble as the main stream media would have you think. Good to see responsible people rallying. Good to see other ways to ascertain information and facts that were once clouded. It is great to see much more people doing their own thinking with better options to go on. It shall be better to see elected official who are actually representing their constituents and not blowing smoke, elected officials who actually cherish the constitution our Republic is based to. It is great to have another means to gain information then the black hole vortex of the main stream media. I wish to thank all those involved for those means.

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    Awesome article Chip___I’d been watching and recieving info from this site PLA for quite some time, as a self proclaimed skeptic,I take my time and study whats goin on, before I delve in, it was at six months.__Up until a year and a half ago, while family was involved in politics at the state, local and federal level for more than 30 years, I listened from a distance while raising our children__I began to take an interest in Politics about two years and didn’t like what I was hearing.I’d listened to Rush Limbaugh off and on when I could and seriously for the last two years. We are thankful to God and for you folks such as Chip, Bob Livingston, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Hannity, Mark Levin, Michelle Malkin, and many others, for their tireless efforts in reporting what we don’t hear from the Liberal news media, it’s wonderful that we Conservatives have a place to go, we’re can praise God in the highest and aren’t scrutinized for it( only by an occasional fool hearty liberal who want to rile up the conservatives)
    Like Rush always say Pioneers take the arrows__THANK YOU ALL, FOR TAKING THEM FOR US, AND GOD BLESS__

    • Jana

      Angel-wanna-be, AMEN.!!!.

  • Warrior

    Did anyone happen to watch Stossel yesterday? His show featured issues about why Cleveland has been in decline for many decades. Anyway, the interesting part was when his guest Dennis Kucinich was attempting to justify why the city is better off paying higher salaries to public employees for services than outsourcing at a lower cost. His reasoning was because the city would pay higher salaries than private industry? The bottom line was screw the taxpayers and support patronage.
    Priceless.

    • Cella

      Well they say the only way for the Post Office to survive is to hire part tie workers. That is why this country is in the shape it is in now. Postal workers earning too much money? Could John Stossel do their job? Funny thing is part time workers are poor slobs who qualify for food stamps and free insurance. As this country sits back and continue to out source their work and continue to hire low paying jobs.!0 dollar an hour jobs do not pay gas and electric bills, house payments, food and then when someone runs into your car and they do not have insurance. Usually because they can’t afford it. You only have to take one look at the car industry in this country. They moved a lot of the work to Mexico, for cheep labor, but the price of cars did not come down. And as workers lost their jobs those cheap workers in Mexico could not buy new cars, so it all came back to bite them in the butt.. The prices in this country are going to have to come down …..a lot– or else we are all in big trouble. Wages don’t go up and the price for health care is going up 10 times the pace of inflation.

      • Warrior

        Well then, obviously you believe the govenment should be allowed to set all wage scales in this country. I don’t think you should stop there though. Maybe the US government should be setting wage scales across the globe. After that, they can then set the prices on goods and services as well. Kinda level the field so everyone should pay the same price for everything. This way, everyone in the whole world will finally be equal.

        Sounds grand although is everyone at every age required to work?

        • DaveH

          What is obvious is that Cella doesn’t have a clue about economics.
          The free market wages (unlike Government wages) tend to be set by supply and demand. If a job is popular the wages decline because money alone does not determine job satisfaction. If a job is unpopular or requires a lot of pre-job preparation (education, experience, etc.) the wages increase because fewer people seek those jobs. If that natural order is subverted everybody will gravitate to the more personally pleasing jobs and the tougher jobs will go unfilled. Thus the economy will decline because fewer of those desired goods and services will be produced.
          In Communism if a worker has a good idea, just as in capitalism, he has to surmount the personal hurdles of his co-workers egos to get his idea approved which creates much stress and personal suffering. After prevailing against the status quo, if his idea fails he has hell to pay at the hands of his associates. Again that is true in both Communism or Capitatlism. The difference is that in Capitalism if his idea succeeds he will be rewarded handsomely monetarily, in Communism not so. Thus, there is little incentive to excel in Communism. This is true for Socialism as well as Communism.

          • JeffH

            Cella is another monicker used by eyes.

      • CJ

        Stella, prices go up because the value of the dollar goes down. It goes down because the Fed prints more to pay for things like subsidised health care and rampant spending. They call it inflation. You want prices to come down, get the government out of our pocket and let us keep it to spend as we need, not as the government thinks you’re entitled to.

        • CJ

          Oops, sorry. Meant Cella. At least I admit when I make a mistake.

        • J C

          Prices also go up due to protectionism. Which is in place to gaurantee profits for corporations…who support the candidates who will pass laws to gaurantee profits so they can support candidates….

          • David

            That also creates inflation and if we push those cheap chinese products out, our prices will skyrocket.

      • jerry

        Hey, I work part time or what they call full time part time for the government since we sold our business 12 years ago because of partner retiring. The part time workers do most of the work. It seems that once they get on full time they say nobody else does anything so why should I. I didn’t get on full time because of having to join the union which I preferred not to but probably make half as much with no benefits and lower pay. I pay for my own health insurance (not realy called insurance)through a large group that pays each others bills. http://www.chministries.org if you want to check it out.

      • David

        Companies are leaving for three reasons: 1. Gov. regulation (EPA, OSHA) 2. Unions (can’t compete) 3. Taxes

        Soon Health care, cap/trade. Talk about adding cost to your American made products!

      • Pat R

        Cella:

        You are right on about the jobs! Not only was the labor cheaper; but the parts made are inferior! I worked for Packard Electric building wiring harnesses and suddenly everything moved to Mexico.
        I think the problems Toyota ( and Honda) are now having with brake problems are actually manufacturer related. They may have the same co. making the parts that are malfunctioning.

    • Joe H.

      Warrior,
      I’m from just east of Cleveland and I can tell you that Dennis i saw a UFO Kookcinich is a weirdo. i will admit he has a fox for a wife!!! she is one beautiful Brit!! i saw him at a small carnival one year and he was running again. He came up to me and tried to shake my hand and said who he was. I told him I knew who he was but I was kinda particular about who I shook hands with. I don’t shake hands with people that are doing their damnedest to ruin my country!!!

      • usmadgirl

        Joe H.

        She’s about a foot taller than he is, isn’t she? Why on God’s green earth would a British “fox” marry that nutty little Socialist alien twit? I can only think of one reason & there’s not enough money on the planet for me to marry him & I’m not a “fox” anymore! LOL Had a “new decade” birthday last Sunday so my already low self esteem has hit rock bottom!

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        hmmmmm? so if I’m reading btw the lines correctly Joe, you were staring at his foxy wife, and didn’t want to break your concentration by shaking hands with the “k man”. ha ha ha

  • Norm

    Who were these commies who voted for medicare part D, with no funding provisions. Arguably the worse piece of legislation in 50 years.
    Check this out.

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00459

    • DaveH

      Good point Norm. As I have said before, there are Liberals in both parties, just more in the Democrat party.

    • J C

      Norm, I think you’re intelligent enough to understand that our problems are systemic. Arguing left and right is a hamster wheel activity.

  • David

    Wile you all are duking it out in cyber land I and a sea of people will
    be in Washington tomorrow practicing our constitutional right to assemble and petition the government for redresses. If you don’t want a new giant government bureaucracy and see our taxes grow ever higher and see your freedoms erode,then stay at your computer and let true patriots carry the torch of freedom and liberty……It is up to every citizen to join in the fight
    to keep America free!

    • Warrior

      Let us know the real story next week because we won’t get it from lame stream.

    • Joe H.

      David,
      Good For you!!! Spread the word far and wide!!! Code Red and TEA Party in D.C. tomorrow!!!! God Bless all PATRIOTS!!!!

      • michael

        Well now I know where the looney’s will be.

        • CJ

          Yep, sitting on their duffs criticizing everybody who exercises their Constitutional rights, before Washington declares the Constitution unconstitutional by the slaughter rule.

        • Doug

          Yep looking right back at you as you as you see your reflection!

        • J C

          Maybe you’ll even see them on TV while you sit licking a latte at Starbuck’s.

    • David

      Hey David, this is the other David. I have been to DC three times fighting cap & tax and the experience was awesome! Give’m hell this weekend!

    • American liberal

      David… Make sure the people over at Fox news spell the words right on your sign this time….I’m sure you’ll fit in well with the rest of the ” nutjobs” that call themselfs “teabaggers”

      • Joe H.

        AM LIB,
        the only TEABAGGER I see here is you!!!!

    • JeffH

      David, thanks and give ‘em heck! Been calling and sending email daily to all the Dems. Also, been asking Pelosi to step down.

      • Joe H.

        jeffH, Sent one to Voinovich, Brown, And Latourette last week and today telling them that if they voted yes, I would go door to door campaigning against them and when they came up for re-election I would vote against them all!!! I’ve been telling all the people I know across the states to do the same thing!!!!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Joe H,

          Me too….I called mine in NM…..Heinrich, Bingaman, and Udall (Udall’s voicemail was full and no way to leave a message there…..hmmmmm, wouldn’t surprise me if he did not have his family members call in and fill up his voicemail…so he can say he had few calls telling him to vote NO).

          I just got in and turned on the news and looks like the House passed the money pit so called health care reform/reconcilation bill. Not sure what all it included, but did hear “fines” will be involved for those who do not purchase the now “mandatory” insurance. The President supposedly plans to sign the bill by Tuesday. What a crock!

          Fed Up Gal

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Oooops! Sorry….meant to say…it would not surprise me if he did have his family call his voicemail….not what I typed (if he “did not”). Just wanted to clarify!

            Fed Up Gal

          • usmadgirl

            Fed Up Gal in NM

            I don’t have health insurance simply because I can’t afford it. I’m self-employed, a widow & choose eating & a place to live & my two older cars to drive over health insurance! If I could afford health insurance I would get it; so what makes these fools think that people who are just barely squeaking by can afford their crap. Then if people can’t afford the government BS, how do they think we can afford their stupid fine for not purchasing their unconstitutional BS? Are they going to put EVERYBODY in jail? Where are they going to put us? Even Gitmo isn’t big enough to hold ALL of the people who either can’t afford this or refuse to pay it! Can you say “Obama’s, well-armed, well-trained, well-funded National Security Force”?

            If you missed John Boehner’s speech, you missed a great one! I’m watching re-runs of the re-runs of the VICTORY BS. I’ve already puked about 4 times tonight! These people are the phoniest bunch of progressive liars I have even seen in my entire life!

            We still can’t give up in trying to get rid of this bunch or even find some way to change the outcome of this bill. We all know it was unconstitutional! I don’t think a majority of the people have even begun to understand the repercussions of what just took place before our eyes tonight! God help us all!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            USMadGirl,

            I respect your position, especially in light of the fact you yourself do not have healthcare coverage….and you can see this HC Reform bill for what it is…..a stinking goat-rope of a political power grab!

            God Bless you,

            Fed Up Gal

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Now I’m gonna be sick….Pelosi is on with her breaking news “Victory” lies!

          Fed Up Gal

  • Bob Wire

    Well good for you all! This fevered partisanship has really been productive in the last 30 years. ~ Look how far the nation has came! With the exception of Boston’s big dig and what NASA has achieved, we have few “Grand Projects” compared to the rest of the world.

    Just to name a few ~ for those that not aware of what the rest of the world has been doing while we squabble like sea gulls over bread crumbs. France and Britain’s linking under the English Channel, the “Chunnel” or the huge tide gates of Holland that hold the sea at bay for her people. The list is long of world civil engineering feats that would take your breath away, nations building for their citizens.

    America’s has neglected her infrastructure. Spent her money “Else Where” or horded it. WHY? Why are our bridges in decay? Why have we not improved our waterways and created more internal markets for our own people? Why still, does so much of our power and communication depend on “dead trees”? Brazil has better communications. ~ Why do we use terms like “Bridge to Nowhere” ~ is it no so that a bridge makes nowhere some where and now people will go there?

    Giving a tax break to the top earner “did not” create jobs ( as claimed) did it? I think 43 in his wisdom has put that notion to bed.

    I am a conservative democrat ~ and don’t like what I see or hear. It’s not the nature of things to stay the same ~ All things grow or die.

    Show me the fruits of this conservative growth beside the heads of vanquishes “evil does” or a gridlocked government.

    Talk is cheap! ~ Make something happen we can all admire.

    Waste not , want not. ~ I see and hear much else but waste, while wants are many.

    The GOP has allowed itself to be hyjacked and it’s members refused to confront the Hyjackers ( no balls among the lot) Their pride misplaced, stupid is not a virtue. ~

    Attempting to rally a damaged, crippled party with threats of the “Liberals” seems the only play in the play book.

    How about using yours heads for something beside a hat rack?

    • John

      EXACTLY correct Bob. BOTH parties only benefit from the “us good – you bad” argument. Politicians are simply playing Americans for fools they are, while they line their own pockets.
      The last administration was the most corrupt this country has ever seen, they made made 5 trillion dollars PLUS the cost of the bank rescue disappear. The democrats simply learned from the republicans how to rob America blind.

      Time for Americans to wake up and dump both parties.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      GOP WAS Hijacked, Huh?_, How about the “Shadow Gov’t” of the Demodratic Party?__YA’D BETTER DO SOME MORE LISTENING AND READING OTHER THAN WHAT YOU WANT HEAR!

  • American liberal

    This countrys mess was created by you so called ” conservatives”…of course the Banks and finance companys liked deregulation it gave them a green light to steal and then use the excuse nobody was looking so why not…it’s the same for all your rightwing radio and Tv personalitys.. Everytime you hear them rant about taxes being raised what they really mean is taxes are going to be raised on them( Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, ect ) all your rightwing looney leaders… Most of you in these rightwing sites don’t even realize were still under the republican tax code that helped bring this country to this recession… That’s right. The tax cuts for the top 2% will expire in 2011….and then we’ll go back to the tax code we had while President Clinton was in office…20 of the last 31 Years this countrys economy was run into the ground by so called conservatives …when the author of this artical tells you that ” he’s just like you” and he’s aginst raising taxes what he really means is he’d rather you ” little conservatives ” pay taxes instead of him…the real elites are( or so they think) are the Hannitys, limbaughs , Becks and the author of this piece were reading….you rightys are their tools, they stay rich by using you … Think about it.. Do you think Hannity should get away from paying his share in taxes?.. He’s a multi millionair and not at all ” like you”… When Republicans tax you , you never get anything back… And you paid the biggest tax ever under the last republican administration because every single thing it takes a family to survive rose in cost…at least the democrats and liberals are offering healthcare for the American people…the bailouts started whe Bush was still in office..

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      AM –Good for you, If the healthcare passes, then go suck off ANOTHER ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM THE GREAT DEMS PROPOSE,(LIKE MEDICARE, MEDICAID, SS AND THE POST OFFICE THATS BROKE!) WHEN THE GOV’T HAS YOUR BANK ACCOUNT INFO AND YOU HELP PAY FOR ILLEGALS TO HAVE HEALTHCARE,ABORTIONS, SO THEY CAN BECOME CITIZENS, WHO WILL EVENTUALLY JOIN YOUR RANKS & VOTE FOR THE “OH SO COMPASSIONATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY” BECAUSE THEY WERE THE SAVIORS!__IT’LL BE LATER ON, WHEN THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR DECIDES IT’S CHEAPER FOR PUBLIC OPTION AND DITCHES THE HEALTHCARE COVERAGE YOU RELY ON, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT___THEN I’LL BE ASKING HOW’S THAT HOPEY CHANGY SH*T WORKIN’ OUT FOR YA?
      IT AIN’T OVER TIL IT’S OVER!

      • American liberal

        Angel…. You don’t need to type in Caps to try and make your point…. It’s concidered yelling and is a sign of ignorance not to mention that it appears you can’t make a point without becoming hysterical…Healthcare… I’ve already got healthcare so my concern is for those that don’t … Going to an emergency room for care is very expensive and isn’t the place a person could be treated if he or she came down with cancer…also, the healthcare addresses the deficit and we want to to decline don’t we….and if it’s just that you concider healthcare to be socialism then you will be turning down Medicare and Social security when the time comes…. This healthcare bill will also help Social security last longer since the last spent so much American tax dollars on Iraq and their goverment healthcare that wevpaod for….the healthcare bill also addresses fraud and wasted and their will be goverment regulation to make sure the waste and fraud don’t happen… Call it big goverment if you want but due to the state this economy was put in by Deregulation I’m ok with regulation……look at it like Auto insurance … If someone rubs a red light and injures you and destroys your car would you be happy if they had insurance?

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          FRIEND, LET TELL YA SOMETHING I WAS GOING BLIND UP UNTIL 5 SURGERIES AGO__I SEE THE WORDS BETTER IN CAPS___ANYMORE QUESTIONS?

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            AND THE GOVERNMENT DIDN’T SAVE MY SIGHT, MY OWN INSURANCE WE PAY FOR AND GOD, DID!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT COMPUTER PROTOCAL, I’LL TYPE ANYWAY, I WISH TO TYPE ,BE IT CAPS OR WHATEVER!

          • JeffH

            YOU GO GIRL!

          • Barb

            YEA! YOU TELL HIM!!!! YOU TYPE ANY WAY YOU WANT!! AND BY THE WAY I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!

          • Joe H.

            RIGHT ONH ANGEL-WANNA-BE!!!!!! HOPE IT BOTHERS AM A LIB LIKE HECK!!!!

        • Jana

          Am.lib. someone needs to type in caps so you will hear it. You are obviously blind and deaf.

          • Joe H.

            Jana,
            AM A LIB doesn’t realize that the deficit reduction he speaks of is an illusion because you can’t spend money two places at once!! The money he speaks of includes the 50 billion owed to medicare and it is only for six of ten years!!! The first four years the only ones covered are the kids!!! guess all you libbies will have to wait to suck at that teat!!!!

        • J C

          Progressives of either tone are parasites and need to be relocated.
          Why don’t you lead your people to the promised land Lib? I’m not sure where that is…but it isn’t here.

    • michael

      I agree 100 per cent this country would be much better off with no coservatives.

      • Barb

        Sorry michael but as Chip says and as you can see we out number you by far and we aren’t going anywhere except to clean this country up!

        • michael

          I don not actually believe the article. I think conservatives yell the most and have more money, but look at recent voting trends last November a state voted on same sex marriage it was banned but only by 8% 15 years ago it would of been by 60% or more. This country is getting more libreal whether you like it or not.

          • Doug

            Michael how do you figure conservatives have more money! You think Obama and anti-christ Pelosi are poor? You really do have you head to far up your ass to see the real world. And the master pulling the strings for you liberal progressive pukes is Soro’s do you think he is a conservative? And by the way I don’t need anything from my Govt. I don’t need hand outs what I need is for the govt. to keep the F*** hands out of my pocket! And I am sure I paid more in taxes in my life then you will ever so go grow up and stop spewing progressive BS!

          • Palin12

            michael, the richest people in congress are democrats, not republicans. The richest fatcats on wall Street are democrats, not republicans! Look at Queen pelosi charging the taxpayers $100,000 over 2 years for booze on her Air Force flights! Is that a wise use of taxpayer funds? Or she some kind of elite special person? Look at Michelle Obama and her 22 personal assistants paid with taxpayer dollars! Look at union bosses who make over $200,000 a year off of other people’s sweat! And look at these corrupt democrat politicians that want to grant amnesty to illegal aliens just so they can get more votes far into the future!

          • Joe H.

            michael,
            that was California, you know where LA-LA land is??? Where the frisco bath house crowd hang out??? where 65% of the Illegals live??? If it couldn’t pass there, it’s a miracle it passed ANYWHERE!!!! Oh, and most importantly it’s where the hollyweird crowd are from, and they’ll pass anything!!!!!!

        • American liberal

          Barb, you outnumber nobody…and neither does Chip…. Chip is part of the 2% that will be taxed at the same rate he was taxed during President Clintons presidency… The only thing Chip has in common with you is he hates the American goverment…and he’s using you so you will continue paying the taxes he doesn’t want to…and did you notice Angels post to Chip was in regular type… Of course you bought her story hook line and sinker that it was due to her eye sight …you are so gullible…I’ve seen her post in here many times…but if you rightys want to type like 5 yr olds.. Go ahead..and I come into these rightwing rooms knowing I’m outnumbered…it’s you so called conservatives that are only comfortable when you can pump eachother up by lying to eachother allday..

          • Jana

            Am.Lib. Now you see that is what your problem is. You keep putting your foot in your mouth over and over. I have seen Angels posts on other subjects on this site and most of the time they are all capitalized.
            You owe her an apology!

          • Joe H.

            and lib shill apersons eyes that have had extensive catarac surgery and not completely corrected get strained the longer you use them,idiot!!! she is probably some uncomfortable right now dummy!!!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            American Liberal,

            How many times, do I have to remind you FLL’s….to watch out for those mirrors?

            Fed Up Gal

      • CJ

        And then who would pay for your liberal entitlements? You would all be so busy spending there wouldn’t be anybody making. Just where do you think the money comes from? Currency printed without backing is COUNTERFEIT! And that’s what the Fed’s been doing for a long time now.

      • J C

        A bunch of Englishmen who thought that either died or sailed out of here with barely their skins…maybe you should do the same.

      • David

        Mike that comment shows how dumb you really are. If there were no conservatives; who would pay the taxes to fund your SS, Healthcare, 900 weeks of unemployment, etc. Remeber 50% of the public doesn’t pay taxes…..that would be your dependent sheeple

    • Mike In MI

      Sorry, AmLib, not good enough – all that recent history you conveniently draw our attention to.

      Lots of the people who read and post here have done our homework or learn from people who have. Everything you so carefully document is just the outworking of a century of Rapine and Behind-The-Scenes Pillage and Plunder by our central bank The Federal Reserve. Once they got that in place and fired up the Income Axe/IRS they could really start buying votes from the worthless scum who want their lives paid for by the Federal Government – public welfare leeches, etc.

      The other bunch of no goods are businesses and non-profits who exist for the primary purpose of getting money from unethical politicians expecting kickbacks under the table in the form of campaign contributions to sponsor laws supporting their worthless “worthy causes” and subsidies. The bureaucracies like FDA, USDA, HHS, DOE and most others are supposedly there to protect the public, regulate evildoers and provide various “safety nets”.

      The likes of Bernie Madoff, who swindled investors and made off with their billions, the FDA who do the bidding of BigPharma (the AMA and food polluters, too), etc. are the ones whose interests are protected and enhanced. The bureaucrass make sure that superior products, serbe vices, inventions and potential competing advancements seldom threaten the pols “contributors”. For instance, Nicola Tesla devised a machine a century ago that could heal people of a huge disease array with radiant energies in a big coil. The government and fledgling AMA made him destroy it and shut him down. It was a threat to the kind of disease care being legally perpetuated by BOMB’R’CARE into the indefinite future. Control and Manipulation – that’s the kind of world you espouse, support and perpetuate. And you think their on your side because you’re one of the “little guys”. Manipulated and controlled by your own selfish hermit-crab existence and lack of self-esteem. They thrive on your kind, livng dead.

      • JC

        Good Call Mike.

      • JeffH

        Mike In MI, very nice…don’t hold your breath for a meaningful response, it won’t happen.

    • Joe H.

      am lib, AM LIB,HEY AM LIB!!! Wake up man!!! you’re dreaming again!!!

  • Fly By Night

    I would love to have a ride in the jet and get treated with bribes.

    • Jana

      So much for having an “OPEN” administration. Obama doesn’t know the meaning of it. He has changed things alright, to Chicago mafia thugery, lies, cheating, secrecy, and behind closed doors deal making.

    • JC

      And all the booze you and your entourage can handle apparently.

  • American liberal

    Their has been a massive transfer in wealth….. During the last decade the top 2% have made more profits than ever and the middle class has declined…of course the rich hate taxes…so they use words like socialist to scare the ” little people” that pay their taxes…. You’re helping the rich to screw you and calling it ” conservatism”…… Nothing wrong with making money or being rich but theirs a point where’s it amounts to stealing…. Like the bonuses these banks are still handing out after being bailedout by Us … This won’t happen if you go back to regulations off banks and lenders… They call it bigger goverment to scare you… But it’s been proven over and over that the Fox will steal the chickens if nobodys watching…

    • DaveH

      If the playing field is not level, it is only because Big Government keeps it unlevel. By themselves, companies in a Free Market could not force the customers to buy anything and could not stop their competitors from out-competing them with more desirable products. The consumer reigns in a Free Market. The consumers lose their choices when Big Government get involved with its Crony-Capitalist-favoring regulations. And that is true for Both major Parties.

      Big Government is Not the Solution, It is the Problem.

      • CJ

        Dave, good for you. You’ve been doing your economics homework. If only we could get the liberals to do the same. Study centuries of history and we’ve learned perfect economies and government always come to the same conclusion. Economies survive and governments fail. Happens EVERY time!

        • DaveH

          I will never understand how Liberals can’t figure out that people in Government can be just as dastardly as people in Big Business. The difference is that Big Business can’t force us to buy their products, but Government can.

          • Vicki

            Government cant actually force us to buy their product. They think they can but they only have guns to try and force us to buy. If enough of us refuse they will be unable to deal with it. Just look at all the states that have already begun actively resisting Obamacare and it has not even been signed into law yet.

          • DaveH

            Vicki,
            I’m hoping you are right that the states will stand up and stop the Unconstitutional Healthcare Bill if it passes. But they are Politicians also, so who knows?

          • Jana

            Vicki, I am hoping you are right too, but what do think they are hiring those 12,000 more IRS agents for? The dreaded IRS is going to be in charge of making sure we have purchased the ‘required proper’ insurance. If not, then we will have to be taxed (flogged financially) for being rebellious.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            It’s really simple if you look at it right and don’t make it harder than it is. The more people the government has to pay, the more money in taxes they have to steal!!!!!

      • Countrygirl60

        Yep, you got that right. Thomas Jefferson said the government that was big enough to help you, was big enough to hurt you. Gut the big government and get this county back on it’s feet.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          COUNTRY GIRL, ON THE MONEY!

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        DaveH,

        Your comment is so clear….even a FLL can see it…..well…apparently not! Thanks for that very well thought out and accurate statement.

        Fed Up Gal

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      American Liberal,

      In response to your 19 Mar 2010 (8:52 am) post:

      Well that “massive transfer of wealth” you described…is no match for the apparent massive transfer of gray matter oozing out of Washington and travelling down the proverbial toilet!

      Fed Up Gal

  • EltonJ

    We could fire everyone in Congress by simply voting third party.

  • American liberal

    At least the democrats offer something in return when they spend ….What have republicans and so called ” conservatives ever done for our country?… Except transfer your money to the richest people of the world.. Our highways, electrical grid, sewer systems, bridges ,science, medicine, education are always neglected by republicans and conservatives…now they want you rightys to believe it was President Obama that Invented borrowing from China?…republicans and conservatives?.. What have they ever done for you or America…?.. Except use you…

    • michael

      The Repubs did give us a war built on lies that even Carl Rove admits was a known lie. This in turn cos and is still costing us billions a day. It seems like repubs would rather pay a lot for killing innocent people and not spend anything on our own sick and poor.

      • Doug

        Billions on war what do you think we spend on illegal alliens in just California a day? Why is it that California is broke bankrupt? Could it be the wonderful progessive policy of the ultra liberals that live in California. With your thought process you have all these rich liberal hollywood people why are they not taking care of all the poor people and paying all these taxes you say conservative don’t pay?

      • Jana

        michael, another lie. Carl Rove never said it was another lie. Even your precious Dems, including Ted Kennedy and Clinton thought it was true.

      • Palin12

        You liberal lunatics NEVER like to mention all the Kurds that Saddam Hussein murdered, do you? Oh no, we won’t talk about that! If we hadn’t gone into Iraq and taken him out, this would still be going on MORON! At least Barack Hussein Obama postponed his trip to Indonesia so we won’t have to see anymore bowing and ass-kissing to yet another muslim leader!

        • Winnie

          But, Palin12, the USA start the war based on Suddam killing his own people. The war was based on wmd, remember? This one war has costed you Americans billions and billions and, soon trillions of dollars thanks to “W’, Cheney, and their Company.

          • Winnie

            Meant to say that the US didn’t start the Irag war based on saddam killing his own people.

          • Jana

            Yes Winnie, One more time to explain this. The point is Hillary Clinton stood up and stated that Saddam had these WMD’s, as well as most of the leftists Congressmen we have up there in Washington DC, not just Bush. It was a well known fact that they had them as the inspectors had seen them a few years before. Of course we never said Saddam was stupid, he was in fact a very sly and cunning man, therefore he got most of them out of the country while we were “talking” to him. Can you comprehend this??

          • Palin12

            Yeah and it’s costing us Americans billions and billions of dollars to pay for all the illegal aliens flooding our emergency rooms who pay NOTHING, NADA. There was an article in my town’s local newspaper about 8 illegals who come to one of our hospitals 3 times a week for kidney dialysis. After the story broke, even more of them started coming for the same reason. So now Odumbo thinks it’s ok for me to have to show proof of insurance every year to the IRS, but these illegals don’t have to show any documentation to receive “free” healthcare. All the doctors, nurses, technicians, and other staff still have to be paid. Net result…hospital going bankrupt!

    • JC

      You can’t possibly believe that your Democrats aren’t just as comlicit in lobbyist cronyism. I didn’t think there was anyone left in the country that naieve.

    • JeffH

      Your leftist Democratic Party is nothing more than a network of radicals dedicated to transforming our constitutional republic into a socialist hive.

      • JeffH

        This is their agenda. Let me know which ones are lies and which one are truthful.
        * promoting the view that America is institutionally an oppressive nation
        * promoting the election of leftist political candidates throughout the United States
        * opposing virtually all post-9/11 national security measures enacted by U.S. government, particularly the Patriot Act
        * depicting American military actions as unjust, unwarranted, and immoral
        * promoting open borders, mass immigration, and a watering down of current immigration laws
        * promoting a dramatic expansion of social welfare programs funded by ever-escalating taxes
        * promoting social welfare benefits and amnesty for illegal aliens
        * defending the civil rights and liberties of suspected anti-American terrorists and their abettors
        * financing the recruitment and training of future activist leaders of the political Left
        * advocating America’s unilateral disarmament and/or a steep reduction in its military spending
        * opposing the death penalty in all circumstances
        * promoting socialized medicine in the United States
        * promoting the tenets of radical environmentalism, whose ultimate goal, as writer Michael Berliner has explained, is “not clean air and clean water, [but] rather … the demolition of technological/industrial civilization”
        * bringing American foreign policy under the control of the United Nations
        * promoting racial and ethnic preferences in academia and the business world alike
        * promoting taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand
        * advocating stricter gun-control measures
        * advocating the legalization of marijuana
        http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/shadow-party-running-democratic-party

      • Jana

        JeffH, The DemocRATic party, the party of destruction.

      • Joe H.

        JeffH,
        you just described the Borg!!! I just thought about it and I have to admit Obummer sounds like he’s trying to say “Resistance Is Futile!!!!” LMAOAROTF!!!!!!

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      American Liberal,

      And…..exactly what have you done for those you have stolen from and what will you do every time you “steal” from me and others to decide where you want my and others’ money to go to….no matter what….you my FLL foe….are at the very least an accomplice to the thieves in Washington when you support such acts. I was going to say “silent partner” instead of accomplice…but that’s being too kind.

      Fed Up Gal

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    AM__IF YOU WANT EUROPEAN SOCIALISM__I’LL BE HAPPY TO BUY YOU A ONE WAY TICKET-LET THEIR GOVERNMENT TAKE CARE OF YOU!

    • michael

      Can you really. My family and I tried to move to Canada after the antichrist George W. Bush was reelected in 2004 and there was a waiting list. I changed my mind since under Obama the country is moving in the right direction again, I think I will stay.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        YOU CAN STAY, SINCE YOU NOW HAVE THE MESSIAH IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO CLEAN EVERYTHING UP, AFTER THE ANTI-CHRIST LEFT!

        • michael

          Not the Messiah as that is Jesus Christ, Just not an evil Conservative like George W. Bush and his Minion Dick Cheney.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            MICHAEL, YEAH, THE ANTI-CHRIST KEPT YOUR ASS SAFE AFTER 9/11, THOUGH DIDN’T HE?

          • Doug

            Easy on Michael he leaves in California and thinks Nancy is a wonderful lady. Better look under the bitches hair there is a big tatoo 666

          • michael

            I unlike the mentality of both was not worried after 9/11. I felt safe, I actually think starting awar with acountry that had nothing to do with 9/11 made us less safe.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            DOUG, GOOD GRIEF, MICHAEL LIVES IN CALIFONIA__THAT EXPLAINS ONE HELL-OF-A-LOT!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            DOUG__I WONDER IF NANCY PELOSI EVER TURNED THE WATER BACK ON IN HER HOME STATE, HURON CALIFORNIA, A FEW MONTHS AGO THE FARMERS THERE HAD THEIR WATER SHUT OFF ABD THERE FIELDS SCORCHED, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO SAVE THE LIFE OF A TWO INCH MINNOW FIRST!

          • Joe H.

            Angel,
            Yup in two districts, wouldn’t you know it was two that changed their vote to yes on Obummer care???? they got special dispensatio because Obummer bought them and their vote!!!!

          • usmadgirl

            Hey JoeH,

            You saw that too? As a NORMAL person, it’s difficult for me to comprehend, in THIS country, our government using WATER (& other natural resources) to buy votes of 2 Dumb-o-crats & withholding the WATER from the rest of what used to be one of the most fertile parts of the country. This had to be “in the plan” for quite awhile! Now I understand completely WHY they didn’t turn the water back on before now! It’s part of the Saul Alinsky & Cloward & Piven plans. How stupid of me to not have thought about that until now! Our president’s name suits him – maybe that’s why he chose it! Can you say Saddam HUSSEIN who also withheld water from his people?

          • Joe H.

            yeah michael felt safe cause his last name is abdullathemulla!!!

  • B.J. Holmes

    Barb,
    Get any reliable history book and start reading. Glenn Beck has never yet said one word that is not true. I taught history many, many years and witnessed many of the events in them, myself. History is being rapidly rewritten to fit the liberal bias. The truth does not fit their needs. Get old history books written before the liberals began their propaganda, which most teachers today have no way to personally recall. Professors were strongly opposed to truth as early as the 60′s that I witnessed.

    • michael

      If you taught History and says Beck speaks the truth I feel sorry for your Students and all the misinformation they recieved from you.

      • JC

        You can’t handle the truth! ;)

    • American liberal

      BJ… How about listing just a few of the changes that you believe Liberals have made to our history books… I always hear you anti Goverment America haters claim that liberals have rewritten history but none of you will ever site an example…so please list a few..

      • michael

        I would like to know what these supposed changes are also, but they never answer that question.

      • JC

        Actually you’ve got that backwards…we’re America Lovers and parasitic socilist haters. Socialism is NOT what made America a great nation. But it IS what is going to tear it down if we let it…but we won’t let it.

    • Barb

      I agree with you one hundred percent B.J. I taught in the public school system and I know how liberal minded and left leaning most of them are. I have a granddaughter in the 9th grade taking American History. What they are covering for American history is laughable. Their first chapter was about Roosevelt and how he saved? this country from the depression! HA! The second chapter was all about Martin Luther King for two months. Now they are on the evils of the Viet Nam War and the main discussion seems to be should more guys have run off to Canada? What a great education they are getting, huh?

      • JC

        Teach them anything but truth, facts and real history…
        and they’ll end up good little progressives.

      • Joe H.

        barb,
        As an RVN vet, I don’t mind that they ran to Canada and such, but I damn well mind that they didn’t have the insestinal fortitude to stand by their convictions and STAY!!!!!!! If they can’t come runnin when this nation that gave them the chance at anything they wanted, calls then we don’t want em BACK!!!!!!!!

  • American liberal

    Next time any of you rightys are in an automobile wreck don’t bother asking the other driver ( if it’s his fault) for his insurance carrier after all you believe being requires to have Auto insurance is socialism…

    • michael

      Way to tell them American Liberal

    • DaveH

      Are you really so naive as to think that the law succeeds in forcing all the irresponsible people, the ones that really need it, to purchase liability insurance?

      Aren’t you one of the Liberals who advocates forced health insurance? Adding a middle-man to any liability in the long run costs the country more money, not less. Add to that the fact that utilization increases for anything that is perceived to be “free”. If people have to pay out of their own savings for anything, you can bet they will be a lot more selective about what goods or services they consume.

      It’s interesting to me that Liberals champion Big Government, but refuse to acknowledge the obvious costs to our economy of that same Big Government. Liberals seem to me to be the loudest group of whiners about our current economic problems, yet they refuse to acknowledge that such conditions have emerged in the face of ever-larger Government. Just how Big is Big-enough for you to finally admit that Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution?

      • Jana

        It’s do as I say, not as I do. They speak with forked tongue.

      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        Over the time I’ve been driving, I’ve been in three accidents which were not my fault and all three involved uninsured drivers. that is why I carry uninsured motorist coverage!!! take Ohio, all you have to do is sign a paper saying that you have coverage or a bond of 300,000 dollars. In Georgia when I lived there for awhile, they required you to show proof of insurance and if you dropped it your company was required to notify the bureau and you were required to go to them and show you dropped it to buy other!!! That’s intrusive but at least it cut down on the uninsured drivers as they would come out and take your plates right off your car!!!

        • DaveH

          Joe,
          The more middle-men there are involved in our economy, the more we all have to pay. If we could just cut Government back to their Constitutionally intended size, there would be plenty of money to go around and they wouldn’t need to try to force us to buy any insurance products. To put it simply, with Big Government, we are paying $2 to protect us from losing $1. Not a very wise investment.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      THAT’S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME SPORT, IT’S AN OPTION TO DRIVE!

      • michael

        Driving is not an option unless you live in a Big City. Most of the places that I have lived do not have public transportation therefore unless you don’t want me to work I have no choice but to drive therefore it’s an necessity.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          MICHAEL , YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE, IT’S A BIKE OR WALK, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOUR GRANDPARENTS DID?, YOU TOO GOOD FOR THAT, IF NEED BE?__DRIVING IS NOT MANDATORY!__BUT IF YOUR GONNA DRIVE, THEN YOU NEED INSURANCE!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            I’M BEGINNING TO SEE THE LIGHT MICHAEL, DRIVING TO YOU IS NOT OPTIONAL BUT MANDATORY, BECAUSE OTHER WISE “YOU” WOULD INCONVIENIENCED ABOUT HOW TO GET WHERE YOU NEED TO BE?__YEP, IT’S CLEAR NOW!!__

          • Jana

            Or one more option, move closer to your work. DUH!
            Oh well thats a Californian for ya. There is also skates, and a lot of people use them in CA.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JANA, NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT ONE!

          • Joe H.

            angel,
            he could always find out that hitching ain’t crouded. course about the time they heard his shpeel about how he’s owed a ride they would probably eject him from the car at about 60 just to see him roll and bounce!!!!

          • Jana

            Joe H
            He claims he is wealthy, but he is probably made out of rubber just like his money and he would bounce like a rubber ball.

        • DaveH

          So, what’s your point Michael?

        • Vicki

          When I could not afford a car I rode a bike to and from work (13 mi each way). Good exercise too. :)

    • CJ

      Typical liberal, make an unrelated point to confuse the issue. They can never argue fact, so they have to distract the point. Your lame attempts don’t fly here.

    • JC

      Way to make an ass of yourself American Liberal…that was really a reach. But that’s what you whiny commies do when you’re losing isn’t it?

    • Vicki

      Being required to have auto insurance IS socialism and big government too. Insurance is what I buy to protect my assets (car, body etc) from fools that can not drive (including myself if I am the one who caused an accident). I do not need them to have insurance. If they have assets to protect then let them buy their own insurance.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      American Liberal,

      Hmmmm….Why then, is it still necessary to purchase “uninsured” motorist protection… even in mandatory auto insurance states? If we don’t purchase the uninsured motorist protection….then, we’re the only one who suffers real consequences…not the other driver who chose to ignore the “mandatory” insurance law. For those in border states, it’s even a bigger problem.

      Well….hang on to your wallets, because this is just a sign of what we can expect to eventually occur with this chaotic health care reform package.

      Fed Up Gal

  • http://gmail i41

    Cecila, any 5 th grader could do the work in the PO, if you can lift 50 lbs., stand around with your finger up you nose, let an automatic reader sort the mail, and push a nodding cart, yes you can be a Postal worker. The privatized carriers transport mail across the nation and to the post offices. The private carriers provide their own insurance, own equipment. and have CDL’s to operate the trucks. As most union workers,cann’t get CDL’s, due to DUI’s and driving histories. If it isn’t in their job descriptions, they will sit on their [offensive word removed] and read your post cards and and look at the mail while on the clock. Either you don’t realize how much more productive private enterprize is than the unionized screw ups are and cheaper. There is so much multilayered wonks that are over paid, that do abosultely nothing but sit in offices ,shuffle papers sometimes and drink coffee and scratching.Oh yes, private carriers are always trying to pick up more jobs that become avaiable because of the good pay. The whole damn PO should be privatized, to be a carrier, you pass a hirer level of background checks and your records examined, than the union rejects that are hired because the union thugs protect them, jail time no problem unions will save your job!! As for not having any big projects being done or infrastructure projects getting done look to the socialistic dems for ham stringing work. The studies and the envior shumcks have ground work to a halt in all areas. To widen a present road it take 6-8 years of studies be ready for a shovel of dirt is moved. For ever $1 spent on projects, 50 cents has nothing to do with building but squandered on bs feel good dreamers. First, some wonk has get complaints for a need, might be a good thing to do after getting pressure for the public over the dangerous areas, next it goes to endless hearings, the endless surveys by 3rd year by college students signed off by several paper pushers in offices that usually never look to see if the work is up to requirements or checks of accuracy. There will be wildlife studies, achological studies, hydro studies, econimic studies of several sorts, more hearings, And surveys every year to check the surface if it has changed, several more impact studies, all be for a damn thing is done. The big dig was a total [offensive word removed] joke for cost over runs and the poor work on the project. The time delays in satisfying paper chasers raise the costs on an average of 15-20% every year of delay. All of the BLM and Forest service land handled by Washington is a giant swamp for waste. If a manager wants to put in a water line or clear out bug infested areas of timber, Washington has to approve it, again thanks to dems. Even private land under governmewnt control in any way it must be approved by some pee brained desk jockey. Farm programs a prime example of control. Never have meet a dem who isn’t up the government wonks behinds past the red. Dems are either created that way or enjoy being conrolled in every way possible for birth to grave. All the dems will sooner or later vote in favor for all the bills wanted by the Kenyan Koon and his thugs, it is the democrat way. Their minds can only handle think about the three kinds of hair, dry, oilly, and normal, and all are comfused about the kinky crinkly type, doesn’t have a classification. Dems are totally and completely programmed to alway stay latched on to the government fat sow to go through life.

    • michael

      You probably could not pass the test to work as a civil servant. The thing that I have found out is that an intelligent Conservative is as rare as a T-Rex.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        YEAH AND A NAIEVE LIBERALS THAT THINK GOVERNMENTS THE ANSWER ARE A DIME A DOZEN!__YOUR SERVE___LOVE

      • Countrygirl60

        So you say that the phrase “intelligent conservative” is an oxymoron? That it doesn’t exist? On what do you base your thesis?

      • JC

        And I’ve never met a “civil” servant. Usually they are slug like creatures with a phone, a desk and a welfare check coming in.

        • ron

          Civil Servants are Police Officers, Firemen etc. Why are you calling men and women who risk thier lives to protect us ,slugs waiting for welfare checks

          • JC

            Fair enough. I was thinking in terms of bureaucrats.

      • Joe H.

        hey dumbazz!
        I did work for the post office and ACED the test. I also got bonus points which put me above 100% Now, Let’s see you do it!!! I found the work too mind numbing boring!!!

        • JC

          Sorry about the comment Joe, I hadn’t thought of the Post Office as civil service.

          • Joe H.

            JC,
            no appology is needed as I knew what you meant, my post was aimed at michelle, oh, I’m sorry is that michael???

    • Cella

      I have several friends that work for the Post Office. I work for a competitor. I guess you do not know what work is, because people like Glen Beck(who makes 500 thousand dollars a week) and John Stossell and Rush , who in my mind are so over paid. A 5th grader could go out a walk a route and deliver mail. I know on the last Saturday with the snow blowing and the temp was 10 below, I can actually thank god that I do not work at the Post Office. As I saw my carrier walking up my driveway with a smile on her face. I offered her a hot chocolate. You are utterly a complete idiot. I would not do it for 8 bucks an hour. No way not today. I can bet you would not make it 4 hours and you would pass out. Like I said before, 10 bucks an hour does not pay the bills, rent utilities, insurance,and god forbid a little food thrown in. All government workers should give up some holidays. They get way too much time off, that includes Congress and Senate, and school workers. Heck, School secretaries in my school district make 23 dollars an hour. Latch Key aids make 17. Library Aids make 19 an hour. Now these are people that sit on their butt and do nothing and are way over paid. I make more than 20 dollars an hour. I can’t even begin to understand how people making less survive. Life would not be good. Anyone that thinks people earning 10 bucks an hour live good and can pay their bills is just so utterly out of touch with what is happening in America, that there is no hope. I do have a funny story::::: My best friend use to think people that did not have a job or insurance were trash. Guess what, She worked for NCR for 35 years in Dayton Oh. They packed up and moved the company to I think Atlanta. Guess what, she is 57, no job and no insurance. Sucks to be her. Don’t think bad times can’t happen to you…..

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        CELLA, BAD TIMES DO HAPPEN AND THEY HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE TOO, WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE IN GETTING THROUGH IT, IS NOT SITTIN ON YOUR ASS AND WAITING FOR GOVERNMENT OR SOMEONE ELSE TO CLEAN UP THE MESS!

      • Countrygirl60

        The Post Office does need help. Get government to stay out of the money they make and get the union out so people will exert themselves to do better.

        She was doing her job with a smile on her face because she has a job. That’s more than a lot of people can say.

      • Jana

        Cella, now your ignoarance is showing. Beck makes 500, thousand a week?? In two weeks that would be a million dollars. Get real. You may or may not know what real work is, but you certainly don’t know finance.

        • Joe H.

          jana,
          she’s showing her ignorance another way. she is sayingt how government workers should give up pay and holidays??? remember when she almost said her mail carrier is a saint?? She’s a government employee. They made over 12 bucks an hour twenty years ago when i tried it for about a year in addition to my welding. It was just too BORING. the draw was after spending 8 years in the service I could get a twenty year retirement in twelve years. Good thing??? not really when you figure you have to “buy” the years of service. so much per year!!! so Cella, go get some education in the truth!! Ten bucks an hour??? not hardly! Maybe twenty five – thirty years ago!!!

        • Jana

          Its funny how this post got put way down here when I replied to her post right away. Mysterious.

    • CJ

      People, (mostly liberals) fail to see an economy is ALWAYS right. People won’t by buy for $5 what they can get for $1. The guy with the business selling for $5 won’t last long. If his costs are too high, he either reduces expenses (lays off workers, cuts benifits, etc.) or goes out of business (unions, are you LISTENING). If you liberals REALLY want to keep your unions going, why don’t you buy the more expensive item? Oh yea, you don’t have it because you gave it to the government so they could entitle someone else less deserving. Funny how they vote liberal until their wallet comes out.

      • JC

        Exactly.

      • Joe H.

        CJ,
        Whatyou say is true if quality is equal. take tools. I’ll pay extra for Craftsman tools over less for cheaper made tools cause if I break a Craftsman tool I can take it to any Sears, Sears outlet, or even K-mart now, and replace it!! but I’ll pay less for stanley tools as they are very good quality and hold up real well, too.

    • libertytrain

      i41 —You are not too accurate in your assessment.

  • wordmaster

    A side effect of the health care bill is being able to use it as a cover to keep other bad legislation quiet.

    Both the house and senate have passed the PACT bill which will kill a lot of small businesses, cost jobs and further hurt the ailing U. S. Postal service. In addition it is another slap in the face for the group paying the highest taxes in the country…smokers.

    This bill will kill all internet and mail order sales of cigarettes by making it illegal for the post office, the only people who can now transport cigarette orders, to carry these any more.

    This means the post office will get less business and probably lose jobs. It means the businesses selling these cigarettes will be shut down and the employees will be out of a job. Of course it also means that smokers smoking a brand they could not get locally will no longer be able to get that brand which will cause further unemployment.

    Call, fax and email Obama and tell him to veto this bad bill that got sneaked through under cover of obamacare.

    • DaveH

      You’re dreaming if you think Obama is going to veto any bill that tightens Government’s grip on the citizens.

    • American liberal

      That’s my point… It’s an option to drive… But to drive legally insurance is required, you don’t have a legal option…. People don’t choose to become sick …and the conservative argument that you can go to the emergancy room is ignorant.. The healthcare bill will give everybody access to a doctors care

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        AM YEAH AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT THINKS YOUR YOUNG ENOUGH TO WARRENT HEALTH CARE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND DON’T DIE BEFORE YOU NEED A PROCEDURE OR TO SEE THE DOCTOR!

      • Mike In MI

        No, AmLib, they don’t choose to be sick.

        The problem is that’s the natural consequence of deciding to not take care of yoursef and spending all your welfare food stamps on drugs and liquor – like they’ve been doing in Detroit’s urbs and suburps. Incidently, that’s where they were looking forward to tapping “Obama’s Stash”. They haven’t just tapped it they pulled the bung out completely.

        Disease is a consequence of not learning what’s wise, going to medical doctors who feed you poison and subjecting oneself to using immune and nerve alterring drugs. Sick and stupid are synonymous.

        I’ll bet you take a handful of drugs every morning to support your abberant brain patterns. They do go together. Liberalism IS a mental disease.

        • ron

          So your saying that people who dont use drugs and are not on welfare. Dont get sick ? Even people who eat right, exercise and are rich get sick. I mean honestly are you high right now ?

      • jbird

        You are dreaming. Using Obama numbers, 32 million new people suddenly seeking to see the same number of doctors as we currently have, and you think everyone is going to have access to a doctor? Fat chance of that.

      • Doug

        Hey [offensive word removed] back liberal how many of the made up figure of 40 million people do you think really don’t want insurance??? I bet a least half there are a lot of young healthy people who don’t want to pay for health insurance. As far as car insurance it’s the law what would the lawyers do if people did not sue each other and most politicians are lawyers!

      • DaveH

        No, people don’t choose to be sick, nor do they choose to require food and shelter to live.
        The fact is that Socialism does not provide those things to people as well as Free Enterprise does. Not even close.
        Look at this list. Pick country names to read about their Economic Freedom and do your own research on those at bottom and top. Then tell me honestly that Big Government provides more for the citizens:
        http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

        • DaveH

          And even if it did, it is just plain immoral to enslave a class of people (the real workers) to benefit the Hopes and Dreams of another class of people (the Liberals).

          • ron

            Conservatives also recieve medicare,medicaid, welfare. Conservatives also are protected by civil servants policemen firemen etc. You Conservatives want to be able to call 911 but dont want to pay taxes for it. Sounds like conservative want services for free. It sound like they want free handouts.

          • Jana

            ron, as a typical normal liberal leftist who can’t seem to comprehend what the subject is, which is the takeover of Insurance, you are trying to lead the conversation down the wrong path. You come in and make false accusations and assertions. If you can’t follow the English language any better than that, then maybe you would be better off not commenting at all.
            Before you start having a fit, I did not say you could not comment I said if you can’t follow what the subject is.

          • Joe H.

            ron,
            Hey slow one those are all things we pay for. Fire, police all that is paid for in our PROPERTY TAXES.SHEESH!! WAKE THE HECK UP!!! Medicare is taken out of EACH paycheck!! course since you don’t work, you wouldn’t know that, would you??

          • DaveH

            Ron,
            Your logic is fallacious. You have no idea what I want or pay for. Anybody can make unfounded accusations.

      • usmadgirl

        American liberal,

        How do you figure everybody is going to have access to health care when at least 40% of the doctors are going to quit if this “health care” lie passes? You are living in a fantasy land! When are you going to realize that this is neither about “health” nor “care” of any kind? This is about control of every aspect of our lives!

        This country is being run by a bunch of “left-over hippies” that did so many drugs that they have no brain left to think rationally, only radically! You, too, are hallucinating if you actually think this is going to help ANYBODY except the progressive people in control of our great country! They & you & all the irrational, radical progressives in this country make me sick!

        • Norm

          usmadgirl
          Have you spoken to all 40% of the doctors? Most doctors make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. I don’t see much else for them to do. Also many procedures done by doctors could be done by highly trained specialists for half the price.

          • usmadgirl

            Yes Norm,

            I’ve personally spoken to all 40% of the doctors in this country. That’s what I was doing for the 2 weeks that I didn’t make any comments on this site!

            Have you talked to & seen the credentials & the price lists of all the trained specialists that could do the same job for half price?

      • libertytrain

        American Liberal – a thought slipped in my small brain – with regards to auto insurance – we all seem to go out of our way not to have to file a claim. With health insurance, I know so many people that sneeze once and run to the doctor or emergency room – I will go out of my way to never use a doctor, yet I will be forced to pay for all the others – in a way I already am, but I think it will be much much worse now -

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          LT,

          Where in the world have you been? Sure have missed seeing your posts pop up and when I saw this one…well…I just had to check in. Still have the kids visiting? Hope you’re doing well.

          By the way, I haven’t seen Michael J on here lately either. Hope everything’s okay with him, his family…and of course that long-legged Prarie Dog he’s so fond of….LoL. He’s too funny!

          Fed Up Gal

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            LT,

            Oh yeah, and I agree with your comments, especially about Emergency Room abuse. I don’t know the whole truth about this, but I heard it from several different medical staff in our area over a couple of years, so I do believe it is likely truthful.

            I was shocked when I was told that our previous Mayor (Democrat)of whom I twice voted for…directed our ambulance services to pick up homeless who were sleeping on the streets, as well as drunks passed out on the streets and take them to local hospital emergency rooms so they would not be “loitering” our streets.

            When I heard this, it helped me understand why when I went to the ER for a medical emergency (gall bladder attack), I waited from 10:00 pm until 3:30 am and wasn’t even triaged; I finally asked when they might expect to at least take my vitals since at that time I wasn’t sure what the problem was, heart attack, etc….I was told “we can’t estimate how long before you can be triaged before being seen by a doctor”. So I told them I was going to sign myself out, because if I was sick enough to die…I would rather die at home than sitting next to drunks in the waiting room. I signed myself out, went home and called my Doctor the next morning and we took it from there.

            My main point here is, now I understand why the waiting room lobby was jammed with much less immediate medical issues…to include several drunks…and why I could have still been sitting there several hours later.

            While I know such discussion will draw fire from all sides, I just don’t think this was an appropriate response by an elected official to make it appear as if he had improved the homeless problem, especially since he simply relocated them to the ER waiting room; once in the ER…they must be seen by a doctor…and that just delays care for those with a truly urgent and possibly even a potentially life-threatening medical crisis.

            The silver lining to my story (from my perspective) is this Mayor was “fired” last election and the new Mayor is a Republican. Now I don’t care if the Mayor is Democrat or Republican…I just think it was great karma that he received a loud and clear messge from the voters!

            Fed Up Gal

          • libertytrain

            Fed UP – yes, been busy with the daughter, babies,etc. She goes back to Afghanistan on Saturday. We were out and about enjoying other places like the Space Center Museum in Huntsville, Alabama and Chattanooga, Tennessee -
            Your emergency room story is pretty much what I mean – most of the folks there have no real business being there. Good for you getting rid of the idiotic Mayor -
            Hope we talk again soon!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            LT,

            I’m short on time this morning, so I’d planned to just scan over the comments for now….but saw your reply and just wanted to let you know I’m thinking of you, your daughter and the family and…. I’m praying for all of you, as I know you are preparing for your daughter’s deployment.

            I hope you don’t mind; I’m including a link to view an Airman’s Poem. I’m sorry, I can’t recall if you said your daughter is in the AF, Army, etc….but I hope you find comfort in reading the poem, regardless of which branch of service she is in.

            V/R,
            Fed Up Gal

            http://poemsofhonor.com/AFMother.aspx

          • libertytrain

            Fed Up – thanks so much – we took her to the airport this morn (those two weeks of leave went fast), then she flew off to Charlotte, from there to Germany then to Kuwait, then she waits for a way back to Afghanistan – thanks for the prayer – I’ve bookmarked it.

    • Jana

      wordmaster, Obama isn’t going to veto a bill that he has worked so hard for, that “defines his Presidency”, as he has stated. He wants this control. He wants to be dictator. He has given up his trip to Kenya for this.

      • JC

        And since he is a one term president and he knows it…his handlers have decided the one thing they want to accomplish with this puppet is control of our medicare…control over “us”.

        • ron

          Medicare is an entitlement. Medicare is socialism.

          • Joe H.

            ronnie, ronnie,
            Wake up dude. Go get a job and then you will find they take social security and medicare out of each check you recieve!!!! you will also have some money and won’t have to borrow from mom N dad!!!!

  • American liberal

    Glen Beck trys to equate liberals to Nazis and one of the first things the Nazis did was arrest liberals and communist which Beck trys to insist President Obama is…if your using Glen Beck for your history lessons then you aren’t very bright…the Nazis also insisted that many books were written by liberals and communist and had them burned in the streets.. Which sounds exactly like today’s so called conservatves…same with Religion, the Nazis insisted God was on their side just like today’s so called conservatives…

    • DaveH

      Call them whatever label you like, the fact is that Hitler led a Big Government takeover of Germany. The same thing that you Liberals are advocating.

      • ron

        The same thing you are avocating Hilter gains power by fear. Fear of thye communist, liberals etc. I dont get it good or bad is based on individual choice. You assume that big buisness is Godly why?. Jesus took fish and loaves from one person and gave to the multude is that socialism or was this compassion. Conservative would have accused Jesus of sreading the wealth.

        • JC

          Make no mistake Ron, we don’t fear the Liberals or the Communists…we know how to deal with vermin.

          • keith

            amen to that,one 7.62 at a time!!!!!!!!

        • Joe H.

          no ron, wrong again, the fish and loaves were given freely, that is the message in that text. give freely of what you have. It isn’t have the government take from you and spread it around to everyone!!! Even one as blind as you should be able to see the difference!!!

        • DaveH

          Ron,
          Your logic is weak and your accusations are groundless. I don’t assume Big Business is Godly. I certainly don’t naively assume Big Government is Godly. With Business you have a choice. With Government you don’t.
          I would take voluntary contracts any day over the force of Big Government. I know you Liberals like that force because you want something for nothing. You are high on OPM. Your form of Government is nothing but a very large thieving Gang.

        • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

          Ron;
          The BIG difference is that Jesus DIDN’T STEAL the bread and fish.
          He asked for them and the people willingly gave them to him to distribute among the poor..
          Do you see the difference? Your analogy doesn’t wash, because the government is “stealing” from us by forcing us to pay the extra taxes to distribute to the poor(illegal aliens, lazy welfare people who WON’T WORK, C.A.I.R., A.C.O.R.N. etc.

          • Jana

            Just another example of how the libs and ron distort the truth.

    • Jo

      Amlib. – look thru the forest! Yes in Nazi land liberals were one of the first to go down! What difference does it make who goes down first. The cry is that the possibility is in front of you that everything is coming into place that could make history repeat itself. It may not be liberals, it may be conservatives, it may not be Jews and it may be Christians, it may be the elderly because they will be the biggest drain on HC and society and could be deemed not purposeful to society. The point is that putting this in place will give someone the power to decide. Can we learn anything not to repeat history.

      • American liberal

        Jo… I’m not sure of the point of your post on ” who gets to decide”… At best it’s hypothetical .. Are you refering to the so called ” death panels ” the rightwing tried to scare people with?… You do know it was just more rightwing Nonsense .. Right?…

        • DaveH

          Is it? First they take our money, then they decide who gets to utilize it:
          http://thewhitedsepulchre.blogspot.com/2010/03/death-panels-force-canadian-to-us-for.html

          • usmadgirl

            DaveH,

            Great article!

        • DaveH
          • usmadgirl

            DaveH,

            Thomas Sowell is one of my favorite columnists. Oh, but how can that be? I’m a white, racis,t right-wing extremist & he’s black! How did that happen?!

          • usmadgirl

            DaveH,

            Sorry! I need to correct where my comma is before the “punctuation police” put me in jail! It should be “racist”, not racis,t!

          • Joe H.

            USmadgirl,
            I used to read sowell on TH. I used to love to read Burt Petrolutski(SP?) and they took him off. I too should be ashamed of myself as he was a Jew and we aren’t supposed to like Jews according to the libbies!!! I used to post to him and he would tell me things he had run across and some good reading. When they took him off they lost me even though I liked Sowell and Ollie North.

          • DaveH

            Madgirl,
            Sorry, you can’t use Sowell as an example of your racial tolerance. He is a Black Conservative, and Black Conservatives are Oreos not real Blacks.

          • usmadgirl

            JoeH,

            Thomas Sowell is on my OneNewsNow e-mail a lot. He doesn’t try to write over everybody’s head! My older son gave my Vince Flynn’s book, “Act of Treason” for my birthday. I haven’t had time to start it, but he read it in one weekend & has some form of ADD; so I’m looking forward to reading it (even tho it’s fiction)!

            We are less than “one day away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America”! Please pray that God will intervene in the vote to stop this insanity! By the way, why, exactly did they have to vote on SUNDAY? (I must have ADD because I just totally switched topics. This just popped in my head & my fingers just blurted it out!)

          • usmadgirl

            Sorry, DaveH!

            What was I thinking? I guess that has to include Star Parker, Deneen Borelli, Kevin Jackson, Charles Payne, Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson & Larry Elder.

        • Joe H.

          AM A LIB,
          did you bother to read either of the sites DaveH gave you? I’ll bet not!!! you libbies want all of us conservatives to read every piece of crap you postbut when any of us post a site you run from it like you are afraid it will turn you7 in to a (GASP) CONSERVATIVE!!! Oh My!!!

          • DaveH

            I must confess that I rarely read their crap. I had 20 to 30 years of Liberal indoctrination before Fox came along and gave us relief, so I know every bit of their flawed, self-serving logic. Fortunately for me, I read Forbes, WSJ, Reason, and other good alternative publications to offset the Liberal Propaganda.
            It’s hard to get through to the good-time-Charlie Liberals because Hopes and Dreams are so much more desirable than reality. As it is said “Ignorance is Bliss”. I would rather be in pain though, then to live in LaLa Land.

        • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

          American Liberal (still an oxymoron)

          Whether you honestly don’t get Jos’ point or not, is of no consequence to us, but you will eventually. Unfortunately for you, it will probably be too late.

    • CJ

      Typical liberal, finds the one pea in the bean pot and calls the whole pot peas. When will they learn trying to sow confusion on a logical board won’t work.

    • Countrygirl60

      The Yankees and Rebs both claimed God was on their sides. He won’t pull for both sides. There is no shadow or turning in Him. What He says will happen is going to happen. We are reaping what our government has been sowing for the last 80 years.

    • JC

      Equate Liberals to Nazi’s? perish the thought!
      Yes we can yes we can yes we can zeig heil zeig heil zeig heil
      I can’t see a difference…can you see a difference? :)

      • Jana

        JC, the reason you can’t see a difference is, there is no difference. They are all cruel and want to run other people’s life.

        • JC

          Truth.

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    Lib and Mike driving is a privalige granted by the state not mandated by the government. Health insurance isn’t a right, typical democrat socalistic bull manure, sounds like you gnts must part communistic or love dictatorship, read much history, Hitler pushed the same crap and look how Germany faired. I really thing dems are born with a socalistic defect from birth or else they got weaned to early. Need a extra teat to help maintain life style, cann’t stand on their own legs.

    • michael

      Then how come studies show that librals have Higher IQ’S. It seems that conservatives are born with a mental defect.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        MICHAEL, THEY MUST HAVE TESTED YOUR ASS-ETS!

        • Jo

          Tooo funny!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JO, I LOVE TO TWEAK THE LIBS!

        • DaveH

          It must be those Higher IQs that drive them to lusting after other peoples’ money. You would think they would just start their own businesses and solve all the World’s problems with those High IQs. But I guess it must be smarter for them to try and take the money from other people instead of earning it themselves.

          • JC

            Dave, maybe it’s that they see themselves as intellectuals and they shouldn’t have to work. Which might make sense in that they don’t seem to produce anything but “Little Sycophants”.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            After Big Bubba being in the White House, I think they “lust” after more than just money!!!!

      • CJ

        Michael, when will you learn? Just because you state an opinion, doesn’t make it fact. You are obviously self-delusioned.

        • michael

          The report i am talking about is a pew report that was out a couple of weeks ago.

          • DaveH

            Don’t confuse IQs with Propensity to Steal the Money of Others. Yes, the Liberals do exceed Conservatives in that category.

          • Joe H.

            Then post the report or site even the address will do!!!!

        • DaveH

          It does indeed take a very intelligent person to make a system (Socialism) work that has failed throughout history, so maybe Michael has a point.

          Dream on Michael.

          • Norm

            Socialism isn’t doing bad in China with all that US free enterprise cash.

          • DaveH

            Norm,
            China didn’t start wising up until they re-acquired Hong Kong from the British in 1997. They learned a little from Hong Kong about the benefits of a free market. Although certainly no bastion of Economic Freedom, they have loosened up considerably from the days of Mao.
            Keep in mind that China has a GDP of about $6 Trillion for a population of about 1.3 Billion people. Compare that to the US which has a GDP of around $14 Trillion and a population of about 330 Million people (that’s .33 Billion).
            There is no contest. But don’t worry, Obama will try hard to put us in parity with China.

          • Norm

            DaveH
            China is growing, econonomically, very quickly. The US is shrinking in our ability to even produce what we consume. We’re losing our technological ace in the hole by shipping it, free of charge, to our Communist friends. Remember, also, China holds our IOU’s

          • DaveH

            Thank you for making my point, Norm. Our economy is shrinking because Government is growing.

          • Norm

            DaveH
            Our economy is shrinking because of greed and the power of wealth. Even Jefferson realized the corruption and lack of patriotism displayed by those who worship gold.

      • Doug

        Was this the same scientist that claimed we have global warming Michael. How is your uncle Gore doing these days?

        • Joe H.

          michael,
          I’m still waiting for tha address of that pew report you mentioned!!!

      • Jana

        If you have seen any results of so called ‘studies’ that libs have ‘higher IQ’s’. Ha they must have been reading them through drug induced hallucinations.

        • DaveH

          I’ve known several highly educated and intelligent people who fall apart in the workplace because they think they’re above everybody else and thus won’t listen to the wise experience of their co-workers.
          I always told my children “Listen to what people have to say. You can learn new things from even the people you think are most ignorant”.
          In other words, keep an open mind. That’s something that Liberals lay a claim on, but in reality shun.

          • Norm

            DaveH
            There’s nothing more closed minded than a right wing, bible quoting, poorly educated neocon. Give them a fast-talking leader and the’ll follow him to hell.

          • DaveH

            Don’t know, Norm. It seems to me that most of their minds are more open than yours.

          • Norm

            DaveH
            Things aren’t always the way they seem.
            Read some of the right wing nut comments and you’ll see truth twisted and ignored to the degree that is truely amazing.

      • JC

        I hope morons that make statements like that are front and center for the Liberals on election day Michael…you’re doing the rest of us a huge favor by not having to point out how riduiculous you are.

      • JeffH

        Only from a liberal will you ever hear anything that absurd. At one time or another, every one of you hacks have gloated about your grand intelligence, educations and degrees. I guess it only takes one of us “ingnorant conservatives” to recognize that the high IQ’s must only belong to the liberals.

        • JeffH

          …meant liberal idiots!

        • JC

          Jeff if the education they are bragging about has them subscribing to Stalinism, it ain’t much of an education and they’re just too stupid to understand the gift they are squandering.

      • usmadgirl

        Michael,

        If what you said about the higher IQs is true, which I sincerely doubt, then WHY do you have to have someone take care of you or TELL you what to do all your lives? What happened to YOU?!

        I had the 2nd highest IQ in my first grade class, but I wouldn’t trade any high IQ for my COMMON SENSE!

        Just like I said in a previous comment, our country is being controlled by a bunch of left-over radical hippies that did WAY too many drugs that left them unable to be rational or have any common sense! They’re obviously still tripping on acid or some other brain-frying hallucinogen!

        • Norm

          usmadgirl
          Where did you go to first grade?

          • usmadgirl

            Norm,

            “Genius” Elementary! What flipping difference does it make? I went to a wonderful PUBLIC school in a time when teachers cared about their students & that doesn’t mean “trying to molest them in the closets”. I went to school before political correctness trumped facts.

            Where did YOU go?

        • Winnie

          usmadgirl. Congrads on your high IQ, and I agree that common sense trumps high IQ. But there is a difference between a fairly well to-do people and their common sense and a person who has not been given a chance to be a well to-do and his/her common sense. Example, a person whose ancestors immigratated from Europe came to our village at the mouth of the Yukon River and built a fish cannery for king salmon. He told the people that their lives would improve immensely because he was going to pay them to bring fish to his cannery. Fifteen years or so later, this man is a multi-millionaire. The people back at Alakanuk, Alaska are even poorer than before because the king salmon has almost all been fished out. His common sense was to use these uneducated people to get himself filthy rich and then leave them high and dry. This man never did anything to help improve the economy of the village with all his millions.

          • Jana

            Winnie, thank yu. I think you just proved our point.

          • Winnie

            Jana, your point being? I wanted to point out that the europeon/americans have gone to countries other than their own and have cheated the original people out of their own treasures. Ours happened to be our main sustainence, the king salmon. Now that there are no salmons left, where are the people who said they would pay us good money (good money being the cheapest they could get away with) for our treasures. Nowhere to be found, because they saw, they came, they conquered. The American millionaires who greedily took everything for themselves and left nothing for the people who relied on these materials for their livelihood. If you can congratulate these filthy rich men, then take back your gratitude.

          • usmadgirl

            Winnie,

            Obviously you haven’t read any of my other comments or you’d know I am NOT “well to do”. I’m a widow! My husband died suddenly from heat exhaustion at 55 years old when I was 52. He had NO life insurance. It expired 3 months before he died because he could no longer afford to pay the $550 per month to keep it.

            I’ve had my own business for 16 years & this year was a decent year because of Foreclosures & Tinwarble & I TOGETHER made $50,000 & we work no less than 16 hours per day 7 days per week!

            My parents were both brilliant, but they struggled too. My dad died at 42 years old from cancer when I was 16 with no life insurance. He was a draftsman. My mom died from cancer at 54 when I was 28.

            A few months after my dad died, my mom started working a 2nd job because she couldn’t afford to pay for her 3 bedroom 1 1/2 bath house that she & my dad had bought (their 1st house) 5 years before, plus all her other bills. She worked 32 years as a bank teller & missed 12 days of work out of those 32 years. Three of those days were when my dad died & 2 were when I had my tonsils out & woke up with chicken pox the next day. So she was never sick & even tho she had good insurance with the bank & with her full part-time job at JC Penney in Customer Pick-Up & Security, she never took time to go to the doctor. She worked from 8:00 am until 10:00 pm every day except Sunday for 12 years before she died.

            My entire immediate family & I have worked hard all our lives & don’t have squat. If we had a bucket of pure gold, it would turn into dog crap over night! So I don’t have a clue what point you’re trying to make. What does an immigrant who screwed a village in Alaska have to do with my having a decent IQ, but having more common sense? What does that immigrant’s common sense have to do with screwing people out of their fish? It wasn’t “common sense” that screwed them over! It was a “criminal mind” like the criminal we have running our country who is screwing ALL of us!

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Michael,

        Well…pretty simple; it’s because generally speaking the true conservatives are actually out working to pay for you FLL’s to go to colleges and universities where the tests have been dumbed down on the FLL curve.

        Fed Up Gal

    • ron

      Interesting Hilter tryed to pass healthcare reform for Germany. Please show me the links for your information. Well slap me and call me bubba. Who woulda thunk it.

  • American liberal

    Raid…. You don’t think states have a goverment?… Wow….well you’re wrong…. States have elections just like the country does… I’m amazed I had to say that…

    • Barb

      I assume by Raid you are talking to Raindance AM.Lib. If so you are way off base here. He is saying simply that driving is not a right it is a privilege that you earn and keep earning. Also Health insurance is not a right it is something you earn. Now I know that is a foreign word to a lot of you slacker libs, but the fact of the matter is the government, may it be National, State or City does not have to supply health insurance, if it does then it is an entitlement and is a burden on all working people so the slackers don’t have to work. I’m surprised I had to say this, sure hope I brought it down on a level you could understand. By the way in case you don’t know the definition of slacker: a person who could work but chooses to live off the government and everyone else, usually a lib.

      • American liberal

        Suppose I started my comment to you like this” you stupid conservatives”… Their wouldn’t be much chance of a real conversation would their…driving is a privilege that everyone has the right to… Nobody can deny your right to drive as long as your follow the rules… Like having insurance … So it is with everything in life.. And to have those nice roads we must pay taxes…I also believe if you become ill you have the ” right” to healthcare and those that don’t are the burden on society and you and I both end up paying wheather you want to admitt it or not…. Going to emergancy rooms is far more expensive than going to a doctor.. Do you agree with that?…do you know anybody on Medicare? Or social security?.. Just another thought…. I’m a liberal and I’m also willing to pay some taxes toake sure our society and way of life goes on… And you seem to be saying you don’t want to be taxed for anything… So who’s the slacker?..you paid the highest taxes in your lifetime under Bushs administration( bailouts)… You also saw the largest distrabution of wealth in your lifetime during Bushs administration… The rich got richer and the middle class hot poorer… You can’t name 1 item that didn’t get more expensive while Bush was president so you were taxed you just won’t admitt it..

        • Jana

          Am.,
          You say, and I quote,”’Im a liberal and I’m also willing to pay some taxes toake sure our society and way of life goes on…”. The only problem with this HCB takeover and with all of the other add ons that have been applied, pork, as well as student loans will now HAVE be done by the Gov.’t and the 12,000 or more IRS agents to be hired which is included in this bill, to make sure that everyone buys an acceptable form of health care insurance, you know, whatever it is the Gov.’t mandates (which is another word for dictates), our society and way of life is NOT going to go on the same. We are on a slippery slope to Communism and One World Government.

        • DaveH

          So you’re willing to be taxed. That isn’t the issue. You can pay for your medical care right now voluntarily. What the Healthcare Bill does is tax people that don’t want the service. You aren’t voting how your money is spent, you are voting how other peoples’ money is going to be spent. Force, get it?

          I want to vote that all Liberals be required to take turns on a manually powered electricity generator to light up our cities. I’m such a good and generous person that I would do that for our citizens.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Dave H,

            OMGoodness……I about fell off my chair! Too funny, and a novel idea….lighting up our so called global warmed cities with libs on the electric power grid! LoLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

            Fed Up Gal

        • Joe H.

          Am A LIB,
          Driving is a privelege not a right. A right can not be taken from you legally. A privelege can be!!!!

  • American liberal

    Rain… Your post is typical rightwing nonsense…. Every state and every county in every state has a goverment….and to run that state, county, goverment they must tax the people that live there so you can have street lights, police, fire dept , snow plowing…and roads to drive on… I don’t know about you but I want my family safe when they drive those roads and over those bridges…one more thought… You hate taxes?… Well the tax code were living under right now is the republican tax code Bush pushed through with a reconsiliation vote…. Don’t you know the federal goverment funds highways ?.. Bushs tax cuts to the top 2 % will expire in 2011

    • Countrygirl60

      Yes, and the temporary tax cuts to the middle class will expire, too. Those big refunds I got paid bills and repaired things that were broken. I got a refund for 2009. I won’t any more because I took the tax credit in 2008, when the taxcode says it must be paid back; those in 2009 and beyond got a gift.

  • Jesse Parete

    It is a normal curve thing. A few really stupid people in one tale the liberals in the other and a lot of dullards in the middle.

  • American liberal

    Dave…. 2 of the biggest goverments America has ever had were republican administrations … Can you explain that without blaming liberals?…. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush…outside president Obamas healthcare bill which hasn’t even passed yet( it will this weekend) all President Obamas spending so far has been because of the failed rightwing republican policys…the only reason we needed a ” Recovery Act” is because Bush destroyed our economy..

  • Bob Wire

    ANGEL ~ IT GREAT THAT YOU CAN SEE BETTER AFTER ALL THOSE SURGERIES (5?)

    THAT’S A LOT ! AND IT’S A WONDERFUL THING THAT YOU MANAGED TO AFFORD THE INSURANCE. MY 84 & 80 YEAR OLD PARENTS PAY $1245.00 PER MONTH IN MEDICAL INSURANCE PREMIUMS PLUS WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PAY OF MEDICARE.

    AND IT’S GREAT THAT THEY CAN.

    AS FOR BEING ABLE TO SEE YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN ~ TRY THIS !

    HOLD THE “CTRL” KEY DOWN (FAR LEFT LOWER CORNER OF YOUR KEYBOARD)

    AND AT THE SAME TIME THE “+” KEY ( TO MAKE THE VIEW SMALLER, PRESS “-”

    THIS WILL ENLARGE THE SCREEN AS BIG AS YOU WISH IT TOO! PROMISE!

    AND THEN YOU’LL HAVE NO NEED OF SHOUTING!

    YOU’LL ENJOY YOUR “PC” EXPERIENCE MUCH MORE AND LIFE WILL BE GREATLY IMPROVED FOR ALL.

    I HAVE A HARD TIME BOTH SEEING AND HEARING AND KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH.

    And yes ~ the GOP has been, and is still is a hyjacked party ~ and if you are not aware of it, that’s only because you a one of the hyjackers. Good conservatives of the 1960′s on both side of the isle are rolling over in their graves for what been happening in this country. “Home Land Security” my a$$. More government that can’t communicate, creating more budgetary infighting, feeding ego’s and fighting for power.

    It started with “Let’s get the Federal Government off of the peoples backs” while sounding nice, it open the doors to the hen house and allowed the fox in. Any “gains” the American people could have felt was consumed by city and state tax increases. ~ So the American people ended up getting less while paying more to a different robber. Since that that time 1980 “jackals” have been allowed robbed us blind on “all fronts” AIG committed fraud but there “was no crime committed” ~~ somebody explain that one.

    One long slow descending tail spin ~ while we call each other names and fight for scraps. ~ divide and conquer. It’s funny, that if you’re rich enough they don’t call it stealing but acquisition.

    I’d like to be that rich someday ~ but truthfully, it not a thought I entertain.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      THANK YOU, BUT I’M NOT INTO COMPUTER PROTOCOL, I WILL TYPE AS I PLEASE AND IF IT BOTHERS YOU TOUGH!__BE GLAD YOUR PARENTS ARE BOTH STILL LIVING FRIEND___I TOOK CARE OF MY MOTHER FROM THE TIME I WAS 7 UNTIL SHE DIED AT 76__ THEN ANOTHER 7 YEARS WITH A VERY SICK FATHER,I RAISED TWO CHILDREN AND TRIED TO RUN A BUSINESS TO BOOT, BUT WAS CLOSED MORE THAN OPEN, BECAUSE FAMILY CAME FIRST__I WAS SUPPOSE TO HAVE BEEN AN ABORTION, MR. BOB WIRE, BUT I LIVED INSTEAD___NEITHER OF MY PARENTS HAD GREAT INSURANCE___NO ONE WOULD INSURE MY MOTHER, NOT EVEN THE DAMN GOVERNMENT WITH HELP FROM SS!!!!!!__iN THE END MY HUSBAND AND I DAMN NEAR LOST ALL WE HAD CARING FOR THE SICK___I ASKED NOTHING FROM ANYONE__AND I WOULD DO IT ALL AGAIN BECAUSE THEY WERE FAMILY!!!___I JUST PRAYED___AND I’M STILL HERE TO BITCH ABOUT IT—NOW YOU THINK YOUR CARING GOVERNMENT IS GONNA SAVE YOUR ASS???__ YA BETTER TALK TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS THE TRUTH___NUFF SAID!

      • American liberal

        Your post was a great argument for why we should pass the healthcare bill… I couldn’t have made a better argument for healthcare…. By the way, it’s you people taking the arrows for the Hannitys, Chips and Rush Limbaughs of the world…I’m sure they get a good laugh while taking those arrows while they skip off to the bank making millions while you pay their taxes…

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          AM_ AND THE GOVENRMENT GETS A GOOD LAUGH WHILE YOUR CHEERING THEM ON, WHEN THEY TROT OFF TO FED WITH YOUR MONEY IN TAXES, YOU’LL BE HAPPY TO KNOW WILL BE MUCH HIGHER IF THIS HC PASSES___ONE ARGUMENT, BEGATS ANOTHER__IT ALL CAN GO ON FOREVER!___AND AN JUST FOR YOUR INFO, I DON’T POST ANY WHERE ELSE!___

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        AM__I’M GOING TO CHANGE YOUR INITIALS FROM AM TO “AH”__I LEAVE IT UP TO YOU, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN???___SOooo MY MOTHER WAS A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR HEALTHCARE HUH?___WELL MISTER AM, WHEN WE WENT TO THE GOVERNMENT TO TRY AND GET MY MOTHER DISABILITY, THEY DENIED HER, BECAUSE THEY SAID SHE DIDN’T WORK ENOUGH HOURS_____MY MOTHER WAS SICK FROM THE TIME SHE WAS__11, SHE COULDN’T WORK!__WE’RE NOT THE TYPE OF FAMILY, THAT RUNS AROUND CRYING THE BLUE, BECAUSE WE DIDN’T GET OUR WAY AND WAITING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DRY OUR TEARS AND PICK UP THE PIECES___WE PLAYED THE HAND OF CARDS WE WERE DEALT AND MOVED ON.
        ACTUALLY OFF THE CUFF, I STAY HOME SO I CAN HELP RAISE MY GRANDCHILDREN,I DON’T BELIEVE IN DAY CARES___Hmmm, YOU MUST EITHER BE A LAID OFF, OR QUITE WELL OFF THAT YOU SPEND SO MUCH OF YOUR WHOLE DAY ON A CONSERVATIVE SITE, SPEWING YOUR LIBBY RHETORIC TO A BUNCH OF CONSERVATIVES__WHAT’S WRONG WITH THE LIBERAL SITES__NOT ENOUGH OF A CHALLENGE?

  • American liberal

    Angel.. You love to tweak Libs?… How so.. ?.. I don’t at all feel Tweaked..

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    AM, PLAYTIMES OVER HONEY__I’M GOING TO FINISH TURNING OVER MY GARDEN, HAVE A GREAT DAY!

    • Joe H.

      Angel,
      I’m envious of you we won’t be able to do any gardening for about another month at least here in north east Ohio!!!! Enjoy it lady!!!!

  • American liberal

    Question to anyone that claims to be a conservative…. If you don’t like the democrats healthcare plan… What’s your plan…. We can’t keep treating people in emergency rooms… Far to expensive and it’s breaking the back of our country…. Not to mention you can’t fight cancer with a trip to the emergency room….so what’s the conservative plan for healthcare?…and Obamas a Socialist isn’t a healthcare plan or a solution to the problem..

    • Joe H.

      AH Lib,
      told you to look up HR956!!! You keep asking but when somebody gives you an answer, you don’y bother to follow through!! Do that to your women and they will leave and give you a bad rep!!!!!!

    • Vicki

      I would like the Obamacare plan a lot more if Congress was going to be on it with me. That way I know when it breaks there will be incentives to fix it.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      American Liberal,

      In response to your 19 Mar 2010 (1:29 pm) post:

      For starters….Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite seems to have a reasonable plan: I copied/pasted this from an email she sent a friend and he sent it to me. Her logo at the top and her signature at the bottom would not paste, but her message is clear.

      Fed Up Gal
      ==============================================================
      VOLUME 8, NUMBER 7 March 21, 2010

      Standing With My Constituents Against Obamacare

      The Democrats have a 75-seat majority in the House of Representatives. They needed 50 percent of the votes plus one to pass legislation. Even with 75 extra votes, they could not find enough Democrats to pass their government takeover of healthcare.

      Speaker Pelosi added sweetheart deals. She twisted arms and threatened Members. Finally, desperate to impose their socialist vision on America, President Obama and Speaker Pelosi decided tragically to resort to an unconstitutional slight of hand where they would “deem” the bill passed without voting on it. It was only the uproar of the American people that prevented it.

      After all the arm twisting and backroom deals, Democrats secured just enough votes to pass the Senate’s government takeover of healthcare late on Sunday night. I voted against this bill and I wonder, if this bill were truly so great, would these tactics have been necessary?

      The simple answer is that this healthcare bill is not what the American people want. It is not what they signed up for. Democrats, Independents, and Republicans alike have stood shoulder-to-shoulder opposing this bill, but sadly, all of us are going to get it anyway.

      The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reports that this bill cuts Medicare by half a trillion dollars, raises taxes, and dramatically expands Medicaid. It increases the cost of health insurance for all Americans, and then it mandates that you buy the coverage. It puts an unelected bureaucrat in control of your healthcare. And if you try to escape any of it, there are 16,500 new IRS enforcers created by this bill just to track you down.

      Let me say clearly, I am not one who believes that our healthcare system is just fine the way it is. It’s a good system – better than most – but it can and should be improved. There are broken programs and broken policies that must be fixed. But this bill does not do that. It completely ignores important issues like frivolous lawsuits and medical malpractice reform. It ignores the need for increased competition. In short, it does nothing to address the rising cost of healthcare.

      So what do I support? I support a step-by-step approach to reform. I support healthcare reform that makes insurance more affordable for everyone. I support making sure that Americans cannot have their coverage dropped simply because they get sick. I support making sure that no American is denied coverage because he or she has a pre-existing condition. And I support eliminating fraud in Medicare so that seniors never have to worry if their coverage will be there.

      I am not alone.

      The Republican plan, available at http://www.gop.gov, would reduce the cost of health insurance for all Americans. Reports by CBO show that, when compared with the plan that just passed, the average family would have saved $5,000 under the Republican plan. And the Republican plan would have increased coverage without spending a trillion dollars.

      Congress should be focusing on the healthcare plans it already runs; Medicare and Medicaid.

      I fully support holding insurance companies accountable, but many of my Democrat colleagues have traded accountability for a belief that government-run healthcare won’t need any. Did you know that Medicare already denies twice the percentage of claims as private health insurance?

      “Medicare for all” was their rallying cry. But, now that they have gotten their way, more than 200 million Americans will see a greater number of their procedures denied and their healthcare delayed. As someone who suffers from asthma, that scares me. I have personally been denied insurance because of a pre-existing condition. I know how difficult that can be and that is why I support doing away with this loophole.

      I also support the elimination of lifetime caps on what an insurance company will pay out if you become sick. If you pay for insurance coverage when you’re healthy, it should cover you when you get sick, that’s the bottom line.

      Allowing individuals to purchase a healthcare plan regardless of the state they live in will increase the number of competitors in the market and will help drive down the cost of insurance. Many of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle have argued that a “public option” is necessary to increase competition and choice. I argue that adding one “public option” pales in comparison to allowing thousands of already available health insurance plans to compete with each other.

      The American people have been presented with a false choice: you either accept the Democrat plan or you get nothing. The only person offering you that choice is President Obama. From the beginning, my Republican colleagues and I have offered alternatives that would reduce the cost of healthcare for all Americans without raising taxes, or burying our grandchildren with trillions in added debt.

      I voted against Speaker Pelosi’s government takeover because the American people deserve a better healthcare system, but more important than that, they deserve a choice. That is what democracy is all about. That is why we need to repeal this bill and draw up a better one.

      Thank you,

  • American liberal

    BJ… I’m still waiting on you to list a few things you claim liberals rewrote in history books….so far not 1of you so called conservatives has been able to site 1 example of liberals rewritting history..

    • Joe H.

      AH Lib,
      Number one, I never said they were re-writing the history books you have mis-stated once again. The closest thing I have said to that was that a Texas town was shorting history by about the first 150 years. i said and still claim that is quite handy for Obummers type of libbie as that way when they trample the constitution, the kids won’t complain cause they won’t know enough to know it!!! next time get your facts straight!!!

  • Bob Wire

    Well, it seems that you are “into” communicating and being heard.

    This retort, “I walked 7 miles uphill in the snow, both ways to school and back every morning” and just being louder then everyone else doesn’t get you very far these days.

    Stupid is not a virtue ~ we should all work to improve our skills of communication and debate. That we are “free” to say just about “anything” does not constitute any need too.

    Example; I seek resolve and resolution, finding it constructive and meaningful.

    If you can’t see, I’ve shown you how you could see. ~ the rest of us see find, it was for you. There no need for large print for us, but we thank you for your concerns.

    To suggest I might be a liberal, infers someone does know what they are talking about. But you are mimicking something that you heard and repeating it. Monkey see , monkey do. How about everyone coming up with something original for a change. ~ You know, something that “you” thought up? Now wouldn’t that be inspiring? Just think about all the new fresh ideas that could be produced, perhaps some of them having real merit.

    Resolve and resolution. ~

    I could easily suggest the first conservative slogan was “Get a horse” ~ it reflect a mindset that refuses to change. I could attack the GOP ~ with 30 years worth of build up ammo to throw. ` The supply is unlimited! Georgie our largest recent supplier of course. ~It’s going to take 30 years for the GOP to live that down. ~ Unless it serves a purpose I don’t want to talk about it either, so don’t make us have to remind you with your “liberal” banter.

    annoying people is not very constructive.

    I’m not convinced talk radio or any commentary has served America all that well. ~ It’d diluted down and panders to sell soap to the masses. They are in the market to sell XXX brand. Political “entertainment” . “As the World Turns” ~ will Rachael be found out? that man is not her daddy? Tune in tomorrow and find out.

    Politics is real stuff ~ much rest in the balance, ~ is it a show? NO, not really, it’s became more of a high stake poker game and most know just enough about it to be dangerous.

    Example; Obama can’t bring our military men & women home while he did want too, very much so. Why? many reason but the most important one being, There’s no jobs for them to take if they were home. We just think the economy is bad now, wait until the armed service start standing down.

    We’ve got work to do boys and girls if we want our soldier back home ~ we’ve must make a place for them. This issue is starting to be address as I speak. Obama will finish out his term with that.

    Obama might well serve only one term, both he and I are willing to accept that as a very real possibility. he’s not there to make friends and refuses to be held ransom over reelection concerns.

    The pendulum on the clock must swing to the right and left for it to meter the correct time.

    I love to hear people complain about Speaker Nancy Pelosi. The more they complain,the better I like it. Who’d think a little grandmother could be hated so.

    • American liberal

      Bob… I don’t know your political background but I do know your post makes a lot of sense…..as for Angel, she thinks she’s tweaking me by posting in Caps…I’ve seen her post on this site before and other sites and the claim she’s typing in caps so she can see the post is nonsense… She believes she’s being cute.. Anyway, good post..

      • Joe H.

        AH LIB,
        And you claim to have a brain, utter nonsense, we know!!!!!!

        • Joe H.

          Bob,
          Obummer Is saying almost every day now that the troops in Iraq will be withdrawn by mid 2010. he doesn’t care what hardships he puts on the citizens. I’m all for bringing the troops home when the job is done, just like most of them want also!!!

    • DaveH

      “Stupid is not a virtue ~ we should all work to improve our skills of communication and debate. That we are “free” to say just about “anything” does not constitute any need too.”
      What? I guess you must have meant “need to”, but then you’re the smart one, maybe I’m wrong.

      “If you can’t see, I’ve shown you how you could see. ~ the rest of us see find, it was for you”.
      What? I guess the “smart one” must have meant “see fine”.

      “To suggest I might be a liberal, infers someone does know what they are talking about”.
      What? “infers”? I guess you must have meant “implies”, but then I’m just a dumb Conservative, so I must be wrong.

      • DaveH

        This one from Bob’s comment has to be a classic:
        “Example; Obama can’t bring our military men & women home while he did want too, very much so. Why? many reason but the most important one being, There’s no jobs for them to take if they were home. We just think the economy is bad now, wait until the armed service start standing down.”
        “There’s no jobs for them”?
        So we keep them overseas where I guess (in Bob’s mind) they are costing us nothing and bettering our economy? And American Liberal calls that collection of bad spelling, bad grammar, and bad logic a “good post”.
        Yes, Michael, Liberals are the Intelligent ones. I guess compared to a Chimpanzee.

        • JC

          Oh there’s a job at home for them alright, clean up the White House.
          Why do you think the DHS (Pelosi) is putting them on a list of possible terrorists? They’re terrified of what these American Oath Takers might have to say and do about things back home.

        • Meteorlady

          There’s a hugh job for them when the get home – SECURE OUR BORDERS! Illegals and Coyetes are driving over the border wall in light duty trucks, walking across in places they never did before and still coming here for freebies. And guess what, they all have fake papers or stolen someone’s identity so they are ready when they get here. If we controlled our borders and stopped the illegals from working in this country, there would be lots of jobs for soldiers coming home.

          I’ll also save the post that is going to tell me that they only take jobs we don’t want or they take low paying jobs. I am watching a new house being build right now and they are all Mexicans that don’t speak English and they are roofing, laying tile, bricking, doing HVAC and electrical, and framing. Those jobs used to pay American wages of over $20.00 per hour. These guys are doing it for minimum wage and less so now the wages are diluted and American’s can’t make a decent living from them anymore. they are not paying taxes as many work “off the books” and a lot of them are running yard care services for cash.

          • JC

            That won’t happen until we retake our government from the socialists.
            You see, the game is break down American culture and values…the coup de grace is break the American economy. Illegal immigration fills that bill on a number of levels.

          • Joe H.

            Meteorlady,
            I pissed a couple of those lawn care people off the other dat when they came to our door trying to drum up business. I asked them how much and they said an amount CASH. I said how much check? They said no, no check although I could barely understand them. when they said We can do? I said no I keep my money here in the states. Half an hour later I saw the police escort them out of the neighborhood. They didn’t have a permit to solicit door to door!!! I know the cop and talked to him the next day and he said you know they’re illegal but we are not allowed to do anything unless they break the law!!! I said what about bogus papers and he said they were good enough to pass percursory inspection. It just shows that they should make E-verify permanent and make it manditory to use and let the cops arrest them.

          • DaveH

            Lady,
            While I don’t condone them being here illegally, we must avoid blaming them for our bad economy. Hong Kong has one of the densest populations in the World and a great economy.
            Our economy is suffering from too much Government. Period. We need to put the Blame where it rightfully belongs. Politicians are like Magicians. They divert our attention with one hand, while doing their dirty-work with the other. We have too many Chiefs, and not enough Indians.

          • Winnie

            So Meteorlady, put the blame where it should be. The greedy big corporations will take the illegals anytime over the $20/hr American. Why not go after the corporations and make it illegal for them to hire illegals over the $20/hr American. Then sit back and watch America grow again.

          • usmadgirl

            Winnie,

            It IS already illegal for companies to hire illegals!

            Without those “big greedy corporations” nobody has a job! It’s the big greedy government & their regulations, taxes & big greedy criminal Unions that have driven all of our “big greedy corporations” to other countries. Those “big greedy corporations” don’t stay in business if they can’t make a little profit. Just like our “big greedy insurance companies” who make a whopping 3% profit that our big greedy government just totally screwed tonight along with all the American people!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Winnie,

            Why don’t you tell that to your FLL friends in the Sanctuary City (San Francisco)…..they go to extremes to protect the “illegals”!

            Fed Up Gal

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    It may be consoling to hear that we outnumber the leftwing liberals. But sadly, they’re the ones who are often victorious in elections, especially in 11/2008. We are now seeing the negative consequences of that disastrous election. We can only hope that voters will wise up in 2010 and 2012 as they did in 1994 and 1980, respectively.

    What about our future – beyond 2012? I have no doubt the economy will begin to recover when Obama and his socialist democraps are out of power. But what if it takes a while to recover? It took over 2 years of Ronald Reagan to clean up Jimmy Carter’s mess. Will 2014 be another 1982, when the GOP lost 26 House seats? And what if we’re not fully recovered by 2016? Or, if we have a period of prosperity, but later in 2020, we have a normal cyclical economic setback? Will some 63 million voters forget the present, and repeat the foolish error they made on 11/4/2008? People should never forget – today’s Democratic Party is not what it was in JFK’s era. It is the party of the 1960s liberal malcontents who are determined to destroy freedom and prosperity, NOT the party that will bring back prosperity!!!!

  • ron

    The first corporations appeared in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries and were chartered by governments for specific public missions. The largest and most powerful of these early corporations was The East India Company, founded by Queen Elizabeth in 1600 to facilitate trade between England and her colonies. At the height of its power, The East India Compnay held economic control over 1/5 of world’s population and maintained a private army of over 250,000 soldiers. Unjust taxation policies favoring this company insured that the crown, and not the colonists themselves, reaped the benefits from the colonies’ natural wealth and industry.

    During the 18th century, Enlightenment ideals began to challenge the power of monarchies and corporations, and the power of the queen’s corporation began to fade. The Boston Tea Party of 1773 signaled not only a victory over the economic tyranny of the East India Company, it also helped pave the way for the political uprising known as the American Revolution. Also around this time, Adam Smith published the Wealth of Nations, arguing for free market economics, but against the concept of large corporations, claiming that they limit fair competition among smaller-sized merchants and artisans.

  • ron

    So the revoluntionary war was in response to a cooperation not big government.

  • ron

    In the summer of 1933, shortly after Roosevelt’s ‘First 100 Days,’ America’s richest businessmen were in a panic. It was clear that Roosevelt intended to conduct a massive redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor. Roosevelt had to be stopped at all costs.
    The answer was a military coup, along the lines of the recently successful coups of their friends, Adolf Hitler in Germany and Benito Mussolini in Italy. It was to be secretly financed and organized by leading officers of the Morgan and Du Pont empires. This included some of America’s richest and most famous names of the time:

    Irenee DuPont – Right-wing chemical industrialist and founder of the American Liberty League, the organization assigned to execute the plot.
    Grayson Murphy – Director of Goodyear, Bethlehem Steel and a group of J. P. Morgan banks.
    William Doyle – Former state commander of the American Legion and a central plotter of the coup.
    John W. Davis – A senior attorney for the very rich and very powerful banker J. P. Morgan and the 1924 Democratic candidate for the presidency.
    Al Smith – Al Smith had been a good friend of Roosevelt’s and his predecessor as governor of New York. But after his failed run for the presidency, for which he had twice been nominated by F.D.R. (in 1924 & 1928), he became a bitter enemy of F.D.R. , when he lost the nomination to him in 1932. Smith then became as far right as he had been far left, a codirector of the American Liberty League ( of the “filthy rich”).
    John J. Raskob – A high-ranking Du Pont officer and a former chairman of the Democratic Party, prior to F.D.R. In later decades, Raskob would become a ‘Knight of Malta,’ a Roman Catholic Religious Order with a high percentage of CIA spies, including CIA Directors William Casey, William Colby and John McCone.

  • ron

    If Roosevelt refused, then General Butler would force him out with an army of 500,000 war veterans from the American Legion. But MacGuire assured Butler the cover story would work:
    ‘You know the American people will swallow that. We have got the newspapers. We will start a campaign that the President’s health is failing. Everyone can tell that by looking at him, and the dumb American people will fall for it in a second…’ The businessmen also promised that money was no object: Clark told Butler that he would spend half his $60 million fortune to save the other half.
    And what type of government would replace Roosevelt’s New Deal? MacGuire was perfectly candid to Paul French, a reporter friend of General Butler’s: ‘We need a fascist government in this country… to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do it are the soldiers, and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men overnight.’ .

    Indeed, it turns out that MacGuire travelled to Italy to study Mussolini’s fascist state, and came away mightily impressed. He wrote glowing reports back to his boss, Robert Clark, suggesting that they implement the same thing.

  • ron

    The above is part of Conservative History in America.

  • ron

    The plot fell apart when Butler went public. The general revealed the details of the coup before the McCormack-Dickstein Committee, which would later become the notorious House Un-American Activities Committee. The Committee heard the testimony of Butler and French, but failed to call in any of the coup plotters for questioning, other than MacGuire. In fact, the Committee whitewashed the public version of its final report, deleting the names of powerful businessmen whose reputations they sought to protect. The most likely reason for this response is that Wall Street had undue influence in Congress also. Even more alarming, the elite-controlled media failed to pick up on the story, and even today the incident remains little known. The elite managed to spin the story as nothing more than the rumors and hearsay of Butler and French, even though Butler was a Quaker of unimpeachable honesty and integrity. Butler, appalled by the cover-up, went on national radio to denounce it, but with little success.
    Butler was not vindicated until 1967, when journalist John Spivak uncovered the Committee’s internal, secret report. It clearly confirmed Butler’s story:. In the last few weeks of the committee’s life it received evidence showing that certain persons had attempted to establish a fascist organization in this country…
    There is no question that these attempts were discussed, were planned and might have been placed in execution if the financial backers deemed it expedient…
    MacGuire denied [Butler's] allegations under oath, but the committee was able to verify all the pertinent statements made to General Butler, with the exception of the direct statement suggesting the creation of the organization. This, however, was corroborated in the correspondence of MacGuire with his principle, Robert Sterling Clark, of New York City, while MacGuire was abroad studying the various form of veterans’ organizations of Fascist character. Needless to say, the survival of America’s democracy is not an automatic or sure thing. Americans need to remain vigilant against all enemies. . . both foreign and domestic

    • chuck b

      you refer to fascism instead of communism, it is my understanding these committee’s were investigating communist infiltration in the fdr regime. are you trying to cover up this fact. they had every reason to believe the soviets had many friends in the fdr government. check the mccarthy hearings that you people try to ridicule and then read the venona papers that cleared mccarthy, you liberals don’t told want to talk about that.

  • eddie47d

    Glenn Beck is a manipulator (like many talk show hosts). If a person is constantly calling A person a name;in this case Obama. Such as communist,marxist,socialist,facist,ect. and that’s all you hear then that’s all you believe.Brainwashed yet Fox viewers,fair and balanced,not in your lifetime.

    • usmadgirl

      eddie47d,

      Here we go again! It’s obvious that you DON’T watch Fox News! The only reason you progressives don’t like Glenn is because he’s one of the VERY FEW who tell the absolute truth & once again, proves EVERYTHING he says with FACTS straight from the “donkeys’” mouths!

      You can’t brainwash someone with FACTS! FACTS are FACTS!

      Brainwashing is:

      1.
      a method for systematically changing attitudes or altering beliefs, originated in totalitarian countries, esp. through the use of torture, drugs, or psychological-stress techniques.
      2.
      any method of controlled systematic indoctrination, esp. one based on repetition or confusion.

      The ONLY BRAINWASHING being implemented is from this administration. They are the ones doing everything they possibly can, by any means necessary, as instructed by their HEROES, Saul Alinsky & Richard Cloward & Frances Fox Piven, to fundamentally transform this country to whatever radical system they think has the most effective means to control American citizens!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        usadgirl__Good post, brainwashing is also done slowly over time to keep the people/persons unaware and therefor more likely not to resist___hence the generation of progressives we have today___Now, The Republicans have a chance to take back the some control in November, as long as they get back to what being conservative is all about and that’s, to stay in line with the Constitution and not drift towrd the left___we can’t trust ANYONE___the only way to stay truely free is for the people to stay vigilant 24/7.

        • usmadgirl

          angel,

          You are exactly right. I hope you saw John Boehner’s speech tonight! He made me proud to be a Republican! I know there are still some progressives in the Republican Party, but as a whole, I think the Republicans have come back to their conservative roots & learned their lesson the hard way, thanks to the Tea Party movement, the 9/12 project & Glenn Beck.

          You just have to watch them, question them & their motifs & LISTEN with your “gut” to what they’re saying! I just said in another “comment”, we can’t stop now. We have to keep up the protests, keep writing our representatives & like you said, “be vigilant”. I pray that we can somehow do something to reverse this unconstitutional “health care” lie! I don’t think most people realize, yet, what the repercussions of this “bill” are going to be. Everybody needs to read what happened to Argentina. That’s why I’ve been so angry, disgusted, worried, sad & frightened for the past year! I used to be a nice, happy person! Now, I’ve become a bitter, angry, smart butt (just to Dumb-o-crats)!

          • denniso

            Boehner is a fool who would even be there in a smart and balanced and patriotic Repub party. He’s a joke.
            You’re number two above about brainwashing is right on target when it comes to how you and your buddies in the ‘tea party’ have been twisted into bitter and angry people,as you said you’ve become yourself. The rightwing wacko talkshow bozos accomplish their ‘magic’ by repeating over and over that Dems are communists and mentally ill…that Obama is not a citizen and is a communist,socialist,fascist
            and Muslim. They repeat over and over that ‘illegals’ are at the root of all our problems and are taking over the country… That environmentalists want to collapse the economy and destroy the country…that gays will destroy marriage and wreck the military…
            that all Muslims are to be hated and feared…that Feminism is bent on wrecking marriage and ruining white males domminance.

            If you really want to study who’s being brainwashed,then quit reading,listening, to the extemists for a few months and read some real books and think critically on your own. You and millions of others are gleefully buying into the hate and fear being spread by
            most of these talking head idiots who are doing it for personal fortune and power.

          • denniso

            Boehner would NOT be there…

      • Grover Syck

        Glen Beck would not recognize the truth if it were carved into a ball bat, and they proceeded to beat him to death with it.

        Of what I can stand to watch of this degenerate, is just one lye after another

        Beck is nothing but a lying mouth piece for the far far right.

        • JeffH

          Grover Syck you are one syck puppy, and a liar to boot! Run me off a list if you would of GB lies. I’d love to verify them for you.

        • usmadgirl

          Grover Syck,

          Here we go again! I would like a list too! You can’t list one lie because there AREN’T any!

          • denniso

            Grover…these people are too far gone to realize that Beck(who some lovingly call ‘Glenn’)and Limbaugh(‘Rushie’ baby) and the filthy Savage and the better spoken Stossell are manipulating the truth and twisting it w/ clever implications and some outright lies and innuendo,all w/ the purpose of pushing their particular view of politics and our society on confused and often undereducated people who are predisposed to hate and fearmongering. Of course it’s all done in the interest of making big bucks off the ignorance of too many millions of Americans…in the case of ‘El Rushbo’,it’s many millions of $$ a year…I just wonder that the rightwingers can’t see the huge conflict of interest w/ such large fortunes being made by these blowhards. At least w/ a man like Nader,he never made any real money off his public activism for himself.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Grover,

          And….I’m starting to think you would not recognize the truth if it were written in the Constitution and Bill of Rights…..oh yeah…it is! Ooooops…..well…I tried to give you the benefit of doubt!

          Fed Up Gal

    • JeffH

      eddie47d, since when is the trith considered manipulation? Have you ever done the research on Obama or do you just believe Obama? I suppose all of this is just a bunch of lies, or is it the truth.

      Obama’s Ties to Socialism, Marxism, and Communism:
      Obama’s Father Wrote About Socialism
      Obama’s Mother Was a “Communist Sympathizer”
      Obama’s Parents Met in a Russian Class (Back then it was the Communist USSR)
      Obama’s Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member)
      Obama’s Brother Roy and Cousin Odinga are Marxists
      Obama Attended Socialist Conferences at Cooper Union
      Obama Was Hand Picked by Alice Palmer to Succeed Her in the Illinois State Senate
      Obama’s Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dorhn’s Chicago Home
      Obama Had a Close Relationship with the “Anti-Capitalist” Group ACORN
      Obama Attended Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialists in Chicago and Was even Endorsed by Them
      Obama Endorsed Openly Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders
      Many Obama Supporters Idolize Che Guervara
      George Soros, through his Open Society Institute, funnels approximately $300 million a year into various liberal venues, including the influential MoveOn.org, which he owns. According to veteran researcher Anton Chaitkin, Soros also hand-picked Barack Obama to challenge Hillary Clinton (and ultimately defeat GOP nominee John McCain). On Sept. 5, 2008, he wrote, “Barack Obama came under special Soros sponsorship in the 2004 U.S. Senate race [and] raised $60,000 for his campaign.” After attaining victory, Obama met personally with Soros, then attended a fundraiser at his home.
      “On December 4, 2006, two years after getting into the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama went to Soros’s New York office to be interviewed for higher office. Soros then took Obama into a conference room for other politically subordinate billionaires. With money and connections assured, Obama announced for the presidency soon afterward.”
      Who Is Behind Barack Obama’s Rise to Stardom?

      By Victor Thorn

      Is Barack Obama the product of a vast socialist conspiracy designed to undermine the fundamental tenets established by our Founding Fathers, all bankrolled and organized by elite financiers? The answer is unequivocally yes.

      To deconstruct this labyrinth-like network, one must start at the top with global slash and burn speculator George Soros and his ties to the world’s most powerful banking family. Journalist, historian and economic researcher William Engdahl sets the stage.

      “Soros has been identified as a front man for the Rothschild banking group. Understandably, neither he nor the Rothschilds wants this important fact to be public.” He continues, “Soros’s connection to the ultra-secret international finance circles of the Rothschilds is not just an ordinary or accidental banking connection.”

      Finally, in a November 1, 1996 article, Engdahl writes, “From the very first days when Soros created his own investment fund in 1969, he owed his success to his relation to the Rothschild family banking network.”

      Soros, through his Open Society Institute, funnels approximately $300 million a year into various liberal venues, including the influential MoveOn.org, which he owns. According to veteran researcher Anton Chaitkin, Soros also hand-picked Barack Obama to challenge Hillary Clinton (and ultimately defeat GOP nominee John McCain). On Sept. 5, 2008, he wrote, “Barack Obama came under special Soros sponsorship in the 2004 U.S. Senate race [and] raised $60,000 for his campaign.” After attaining victory, Obama met personally with Soros, then attended a fundraiser at his home.

      Chaitkin elaborates further in “Soros Runs British Foreign Office Coup Against U.S. Elections,” an online article. “On December 4, 2006, two years after getting into the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama went to Soros’s New York office to be interviewed for higher office. Soros then took Obama into a conference room for other politically subordinate billionaires. With money and connections assured, Obama announced for the presidency soon afterward.”

      Lets look at the words of Michelle Obama from a June 19, 2008 speech. She said, “We’re going to have to change our traditions and our history.” She explained further on Aug. 25, 2008. “All of us are driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do. We have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be.”

      Who, precisely, will determine how our world should be? Mrs. Obama’s poignant phrase was lifted directly from Saul Alinsky, a Chicago-based Jewish extremist who penned the handbook for far-left causes, Rules for Radicals.
      http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/behind_barack_obama_188.html

      • JeffH

        sorry about the double dip there…

        • denniso

          Oh my god!!! Obama’s father ‘wrote about socialism’…Obama’s parents ‘met in a Russian class’( I assume you mean they were learning Russian)…Obama ‘endorsed the openly socialist Bernie Sanders’….and,horror of all horrors,’many Obama supporters idolize Che Guevara’…wow, now that’s real,authentic, proof that Obama is a actual socialist…I guess we’d better arrest all the voters who knowingly elect Bernie Sanders too…

    • DaveH

      Eddie’s right. We need to quit listening to Glenn, and Stossel too. Their information only seems good because they are hypnotizing us. We need to get in line and quit badmouthing poor misunderstood Obama. He is only trying to do what’s best for us. Never mind that he is helping with our own money against our will. And please forgive him for all his lies. He needs to tell those lies because we just don’t know what’s best for us.
      Oh, Eddie, you are my hero! So smart. What would we do without you?
      Okay, so we’d be Freer, but Freedom is overrated. We’d be much happier in bondage. Trust Eddie.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Dave H,

        Don’t forget me….don’t leave me out…..Please save me a spot in line for that micro-chip implant and money sucking I V Eddie and the other Robbing Hoods want us to get!

        Fed Up Gal

  • JeffH

    Here is a simple and easy way to do so that needs to be done TODAY and through this weekend.

    Call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard at 1.877.762.8762 or 1.202.224.3121 and tell them “Kill the Health Care Bill.” Keep the phone pressure up throughout the weekend. If you keep getting busy signals, that is a very good sign.

    Keep calling and have your kids call too! After all, it is your kids future that our elected officials are throwing away!

  • DaveH

    Shut up you right-wing wackos and take it like good subjects:

    http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=2668

    • JeffH

      Thanks Dave.

      • denniso

        Sorry extremists,but it appears we are on the road to healthcare reform,after a century of trying,starting with Teddy Roosevelt,a Repub.
        Despite a somewhat flawed bill,because Obama tried to appease the Repubs,and a virtual war begun by Repubs, we will finally start the process of reform and access to healthcare for all Americans.It is too bad that the insurance co’s are still in control and will continue to make billions of $$, it’s a beginning though…boo hoo, Repubs.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          So, denniso….you think that was a war????? Hold on to your Robbing Hood membership cards….because that was just mud wrestling….you ain’t seen nothing yet! So funny that you and the other FLL’s don’t seem to get that.

          Surprises are in store for all those in DC that supported this stench of an excuse for health care reform and for the FLL’s who are more becoming more clueless as time goes on.

          Fed Up Gal

        • denniso

          You sound angry…take a break.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Denniso,

            Angry – No; Disgusted – Absolutely! Let me briefly explain:

            I’m not angry, because I know that in the end God will be in control…and he will make the needed corrections.

            I am disgusted, because I am human and I have feelings and emotions like all humans…although I am a Christian, I am (as I’ve said before) a flawed, imperfect Christian and therefore must rely on God to make things right (in his time).

            Fed Up Gal

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    FROM A lost american voter, first i believe in the american constitution and the bill of rights,second i believe in the republic as invisioned by the founders of this nation(OF MANY PEOPLES,races). third i believe that the passing of the nafta trade agreement was the betrayel of the very people of this nation the people who once payed taxes and owned homes and payed the bills for the operation of government,the hard cold truth is that government has failed the very people that it should have protected buissness and their employees,but no it is so sad to see all the infighting in government,another sad fact is the very people that once worked in american industries and their companies have been tossed in the dung pile by both parties democrats and republicans,why? because they are run by powerful forces that want power at all cost and who loses we all do american buissness and the very american people here at home. i dont know where i belong party wise, except the fact i believe in this nation and my fellow country men that believe in the united states constitution and the bill of rights at this point in time ,both parties best get there houses in order,because at this stage the nation is losing faith in the democrats and the republican party,then what a mess? pardon me if i am too frank,i am from a time when we could count on our elected officals and our party of choice. i know one thing see what doesnt happen this next election.

    • Winnie

      Vaksal, it boggles my mind that the American people keep voting in the same people back into the house and senate. These representatives and senates are owned by the big corporations. Watch how the people vote in November and see how many of the same people will be back. Kick those crooks out and start looking at the charactor of the person and not how much money they spend to get their butts back in Washington D.C. Get rid of all the democrats and the republicans who are taking money from the big businesses for their campaign. Otherwise, you voters should shut up and kick you behinds for voting in the crooks again.

      • Jana

        Winnie on this point I agree with you, as well as most of us do. The problem is, being a free nation we allow everyone to vote, even those who do not pay taxes. In fact the illegals have been bragging that they were responsible for getting most of the Democrats as well as Obama elected. That is how come they keep getting reelected. It makes us all upset.

        • Winnie

          Jana, if that were true, Bush would’ve never got his second term. I agree that the illegals are a big portion of your ecomonic, health, educational, and some I don’t have info to, troubles. The borders have been wide open for the Mexicans and the Canadians since time immemorable. Now, The original peoples of North America must follow laws made by the conquers to occupy their original lands and they just seem to not understand that America is not their land anymore. How terrible for the original peoples.

        • denniso

          Not true…the great majority of ‘illegals’ work,pay taxes on everything they buy and often on their income as well, and hide in the shadows. They don’t take the chance of being discovered and deported or jailed by coming out to vote.

          You’re spreading untruths and outright lies made up by rightwing extremists who hate for the sake of hating anyone who’s different.
          Let’s see you document a single instance of ‘illegals’ bragging that they got Obama elected…ridiculous.

          • denniso

            That comment is to Jana…though Winnie,you’re also wrong about ‘illegals’being the cause of most of our problems. All studies show that there is a net positive affect to the economy from the work of ‘illegals’.
            I agree that the Native Americans have been screwed by us whites for the past several centuries. Luckily, some have adapted to our white ways and demands and manage now to live a decent live despite it,but most Natives are not doing well and can’t or don’t want to adapt,so have a fairly lousy existence.

          • Jana

            denniso, yes, and then the illegals send the bulk of their income OUT OF THE COUNTRY. So it is no longer being used here. How do they do this and live here? you may ask. They live like they do many times in Mexico. They live in a group, sometimes up to 17 to 20 in a single house geared for 4 at most. The septic tanks overflow and they still live their totally oblivious to it all. Go into the women’s dressing rooms in border towns and you will find that they use them as their bathrooms instead of finding the restrooms.

            One family rents an apartment and 5 more families move in with them. It is a nightmare, and the rest of their money gets sent back home.

          • denniso

            Jana…nonsense.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    TO:winnie,the hard truth is we the voters are given no choice on who runs on the partys ticket they are hand picked by each party and as far as a real choice there is none , i ask this if we think we really can make a differance,why doesnt any ballot contain the simple square ( none of the above) it is a shame that people should shut up,and thats why the whole mess started in the first place,because republicans and democrats that werent under control of the very speical interest groups in both parties were locked out by big money ,and yes i have been kicking myself in the rear trying to understand the very nature of a system that has not listened to the american voter for many many ,years,but wheres the choice? its like buying an unmarked cereral box made by the same company,but a choice “god forbid” we may get a good product,if we had a real choice ,but i havent given up yet ,maybe someone will add the simple square to every ballot in the country ,as far as the shut up ,my outlook is move to iran you would be a hit with the crazies running the show there,this is still called the U.S.A.! and i will vote until a real decent canidates show up,but as the old guy i am i will be long gone,i read somewhere ( THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION) FREEDOM OF SPEECH,EVER HEAR OFF IT WINNIE ? READ IT ,VERY GOOD READING, SOMETHING YOU MAY HAVE OVERLOOKED IN YOUR LIFE,but some people still dont get it. have a great day.

    • chuck b

      vaksal

      winnie lives in canada, anway thats what she claimed and watch out for the tomahawk.

  • http://google DTHOMPSON

    FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT THINK THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE WERE INSULTING OR SO-CALLED INSULTING COMMENTS AT CONGRESS, LET ME RE-FRESH YOUR MEMORY BACK TO ELECTION DAY IN NOV. 2008 WHERE IN PHIL. PENN. YOU HAD THUGS FROM THE BLACK PANTHERS WITH BILLY STICKS AND INTIMIDATING GEAR THREATING AND INTIMIDATING AVG. AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO DID NOT INTEND TO VOTE FOR HUSSEIN OBAMA. WHERE WAS THE OUTCRY, WHERE WAS THE THUG, MINIONS OF HUSSEIN OBAMA IN THE MAIN-STREAM MEDIA WHO REFUSED TO SHOW THIS CLEAR AND OBVIOUS FOOTAGE YOU COULD SEE ONLY ON FOX NEWS AND THE INTERNET. THEY WERE HARASSING AND INTIMIDATING AVG. AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO WERE TRYING TO DO THIER PATRIOTIC DUTY AND JUST SIMPLY VOTE. THEY WERE THREATNED BY THE THUG BLACK PANTHERS AND HAD NO PROTECTION AT ALL. THE POLITICIANS HAD THE CAPITAL POLICE ( PAID BY US TAXPAYERS BY THE WAY) TO PROTECT AND GUARD THEM FROM A LITTLE VERBAL ABUSE. THERE IS NO COMPARRIONS TO WHAT THE AVG. AMERICAN VOTER HAD TO GO THRU THAT DAY IN PHIL AND OTHER SPOTS IN U.S. THAT WAS NOT EVEN REPORTED AT ALL. WHERE WAS THE OUTCRY FRM THE MEDIA AND DEMOCRATIC PARTY ABOUT THESE BLACK PANTHER THUGS? HUH? I CANT HEAR YOU LIBERAL THUGS? TRY TO DEFEND THAT ONE? BY THE WAY HUSSEIN OBAMA’S THUG A.G. HOLDER DISMISSED ALL CHARGES AGAINST THE THUG BLACK PANTHERS ( JEEZ WONDER WHY) ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION THEN WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE ” ALLEGEDLY” DID. POLITICIANS WERE PROTECTED BY POLICE, CITIZENS VOTING WERE NOT AND HAD TO ENDURE AND ACCEPT INTIMIDATION BY THESE BLACK PANTHER THUGS. GOD BLESS AMERICA FOR THE SAKE OF OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS FOR ONLY THE ALMIGHTY GOD CAN SAVE US NOW!!!!

  • http://google DTHOMPSON

    FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT THINK THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE WERE INSULTING OR SO-CALLED INSULTING COMMENTS AT CONGRESS, LET ME RE-FRESH YOUR MEMORY BACK TO ELECTION DAY IN NOV. 2008 WHERE IN PHIL. PENN. YOU HAD THUGS FROM THE BLACK PANTHERS WITH BILLY STICKS AND INTIMIDATING GEAR THREATING AND INTIMIDATING AVG. AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO DID NOT INTEND TO VOTE FOR HUSSEIN OBAMA. WHERE WAS THE OUTCRY, WHERE WAS THE THUG, MINIONS OF HUSSEIN OBAMA IN THE MAIN-STREAM MEDIA WHO REFUSED TO SHOW THIS CLEAR AND OBVIOUS FOOTAGE YOU COULD SEE ONLY ON FOX NEWS AND THE INTERNET. THEY WERE HARASSING AND INTIMIDATING AVG. AMERICAN CITIZENS WHO WERE TRYING TO DO THIER PATRIOTIC DUTY AND JUST SIMPLY VOTE. THEY WERE THREATNED BY THE THUG BLACK PANTHERS AND HAD NO PROTECTION AT ALL. THE POLITICIANS HAD THE CAPITAL POLICE ( PAID BY US TAXPAYERS BY THE WAY) TO PROTECT AND GUARD THEM FROM A LITTLE VERBAL ABUSE. THERE IS NO COMPARRIONS TO WHAT THE AVG. AMERICAN VOTER HAD TO GO THRU THAT DAY IN PHIL AND OTHER SPOTS IN U.S. THAT WAS NOT EVEN REPORTED AT ALL. WHERE WAS THE OUTCRY FRM THE MEDIA AND DEMOCRATIC PARTY ABOUT THESE BLACK PANTHER THUGS? HUH? I CANT HEAR YOU LIBERAL THUGS? TRY TO DEFEND THAT ONE? BY THE WAY HUSSEIN OBAMA’S THUG A.G. HOLDER DISMISSED ALL CHARGES AGAINST THE THUG BLACK PANTHERS ( JEEZ WONDER WHY) ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION THEN WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE ” ALLEGEDLY” DID. POLITICIANS WERE PROTECTED BY POLICE, CITIZENS VOTING WERE NOT AND HAD TO ENDURE AND ACCEPT INTIMIDATION BY THESE BLACK PANTHER THUGS. GOD BLESS AMERICA FOR THE SAKE OF OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS FOR ONLY THE ALMIGHTY GOD CAN SAVE US NOW!!!!

    • Jana

      D.Thompson, its funny, but they can’t find any proof that this ever happened. They have checked out several camera angels that were taken and there were cameras rolling on these ‘very important leftist Congressmen’ and they can find no incidence of this even happening. Sounds like someone was trying to cause trouble all right, and it wasn’t anyone in the ‘tea party group’.

      Your comment is right on.

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    Whoever the ignorant moron was that shot the round through the congressmans window to protest the Obama care bill, YOU ARE — STUPID! You are only hurting us and the 2nd amendment. When you do stupid sh*t like that you are giving HCI and the “Brady Bunch” more ammunition to use against us.

    IF YOU CAN’T CONTROL YOURSELF, THEN USE A ROCK OR A BRICK, YOU IGNORANT FOOL!!

    • keith

      people are fed up!

  • keith

    1861-1865 round 1
    2010-201? round two cometh!!!!!

    • keith

      when the damn marxist communist scumbags come to take me to jail for telling them what they can do with the fine cause i’ll NEVER NEVER EVER pay the fine nor get ANY of their communist health care crap,i hope they bring enough body bags,cause they’re gonna NEED them!i’ll go down slingen lead!!!!!!

      • keith

        LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    Keith,
    As Jeff H pointed out to me on another page, the violent protests are probably being done by “plants” from the Liberal side to make us look bad.

    • keith

      that may be,but aggravation has turned to outright resentment and now people(myself included) are pissed off.these moronic socialists don’t give a rats ass about demenstrations.the socialist radicals led by that muslim in the whitehouse could care less about what the people think.thats obvious.our nation has been hijacked by socialist marxist radicals,think such care about your ”peaceful” demenstrations.they would as soon spit on you and the document called the declaration of independance.they are radicals!
      americans are now mad!!!!!!!and a crapstorm is going to break and they are to stupid to see it!

      • keith

        come this election that storm is going to oust them!

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