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The Republicans’ Pretty Good Party

August 31, 2012 by  

The Republicans’ Pretty Good Party
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Now that 20,000 soggy delegates, alternates, lobbyists and political hangers-on have left Tampa, Fla., what can we say about the just-concluded Republican convention?

Ron Paul fans weren’t given much to cheer about. Yes, there was a brief video tribute to the man himself. And his son, Rand Paul, the junior Senator from Kentucky, was given a second-tier speaking slot. But the convention rules were rigged so that Ron Paul’s name could not even be placed in nomination for President — with the result that none of his delegates had a chance to vote for him.

Oh, there was one other nod to the Paul camp: The Republican platform endorsed his longtime demand to audit the Federal Reserve. Granted, an audit is a long way from Paul’s far more meaningful campaign to abolish the Fed. But it’s a start.

We should also be cheered that a bill demanding such an audit actually passed the House of Representatives this year. It’s no surprise that Harry Reid made sure it never saw the light of day in the Senate. But I think it’s safe to say that Paul’s “End the Fed” campaign made more progress this year than in the past 20. And I was glad to see that it got at least a crumb or two from the Republican powers that be.

Conservative friends who were at the convention have told me, with considerable pride, that the Republican platform for 2012 is “the best one we’ve seen in the past 20 years.” Looking over the various provisions in it, they’re probably right. But so what?

Sorry, but how many minds do you think will be changed — or how many votes will be won (or lost) — by anything that is in either party’s platform? Party platforms are much ado about nothing. I liked the suggestion from House Speaker John Boehner, who suggested that the whole thing should be boiled down to one page. “Do you know anyone who’s ever read the platform?” he asked. Clearly, the question was meant to be rhetorical.

I don’t have anything to say now about Mitt Romney’s acceptance speech. Thanks to the deadline schedule for Personal Liberty, I have to turn this column in before he delivers it. But let me say a few words about some of the other tub-thumpers I heard leading up to it.

First, Paul Ryan did exactly what he was supposed to do. In his acceptance speech for the Vice Presidential nomination on Wednesday night, he lambasted Barack Obama for his failed policies and lack of leadership. He came across as smart and sincere, ready to argue the issues and passionate about helping change the country’s direction. He was interrupted by applause more than any other speaker in Tampa; let’s see if the head of the ticket does as well.

Let me also note something everyone agrees on: Ann Romney did a wonderful job in her prime-time speech Tuesday night. She was warm, personable, loving and sincere. Brit Hume, Fox News’ veteran analyst, said it was the best convention speech he had ever heard, bar none.

I thought she did a decent job trying to humanize her husband and an incredible job appealing to other women. No one could doubt the passion and the trust in her voice, when she declared: “This man will not fail. This man will not let us down. This man will lift up America.”

I wondered how the left would try to turn Romney’s smashing performance into a negative. On Wednesday morning, I got my answer. The New York Times began its coverage of her speech with this: “She may be too good. Ann Romney is so gifted at politics, she may actually make her husband look a little bad.”

How’s that for damning with faint praise? But wait, it gets even worse. Here’s the rest of the article’s opening:

Their personality gap — her ease, his discomfort — has been evident in most of the many joint interviews they have given television reporters.

But it really stood out during her bold, boisterous testimonial to him at the Republican convention on Tuesday night. She was electric — when Mitt Romney came to her side at the end, he somehow sapped the energy from the moment.

Gee, just think how nasty The Times would have been if she’d done a bad job! Still, I suspect the overwhelming majority of Americans — men and women — will prefer Ann Romney’s enthusiastic sweetness to Michelle Obama’s icy toughness. If the Mitt Romney campaign is smart, we’ll be seeing and hearing a lot more from Ann Romney over the next two months, both in live appearances and in commercials.

I wasn’t blown away by Chris Christie’s tough-love keynote address. He may have had the best one-liner of the convention, though, with this remark: “Real leaders don’t follow polls. Real leaders change polls.”

The theme of his remarks was the need “to choose respect over love.” It seemed to me that it got a little stretched when he said that choosing respect over love meant telling the truth about entitlements to senior citizens and telling the truth about debt to working families. Somehow, I don’t see either of those becoming a popular bumper sticker.

Several reporters jumped all over the New Jersey Governor for talking a lot more about himself than he did about Mitt Romney. Although I didn’t have a stopwatch on him, it’s probably true that Christie didn’t mention the Republican nominee by name until he was 16 minutes into his peroration.

OK, so maybe he did go on about his Sicilian mother a little too long. But give the guy a break. His job was to put some juicy red meat in front of the assembled delegates. Overall, he performed that task very well.

By the way, so did someone who got very little coverage in the mainstream media. I’m referring to Artur Davis, the black former Congressman and longtime Democrat who actually seconded Obama’s nomination in Denver four years ago. Davis is now a Republican. His speech on Tuesday should help win over some independents and disenchanted Democrats. I hope a bunch of them saw it.

Now, forgive me as I sign off. I want to hear how Marco Rubio does introducing Mitt Romney — and how the candidate himself comes across. Forget sweet and cuddly; what America needs now is a strong and forceful leader. Let’s see if Romney can convince enough Americans that he’s the one.

Those two talks on Thursday night will go a long way to determining whether Romney or Obama carries Florida this November. Whoever wins the Sunshine State will probably win the White House, too.

So tell all your friends in Florida to vote early and vote often.

Just kidding. This isn’t Chicago, you know.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Warrior

    “You didn’t build that” will become an all time classic. The “empty chair” used by Clint, was absolutely fantastic. Talk about hitting the nail on the head. During his short time in the senate in ILL and in the US, that’s all we got from the imposter was an empty chair. Uh, barack how will you vote, uh, uh, “Present”. You good boy.

    Remember, it’s not where he was born, but where he currently resides that’s the real problem. Mr. “empty chair”, here’s to you. Now it’s time for you to leave and pass the chair back to the grownups. Experiment failed and it’s over. There’s a nice piece of property set aside for your library over at the U of C just waiting for someone of your caliber to stick that silver shovel into the ground. Enjoy, but I can’t say you deserve it.

    • Vigilant

      Just think, if Obama’s re-elected, he’ll “inherit” one Hell of a mess from HIMSELF.

      • Warrior

        Mitt is going to inherit massive inflation for sure. The “greenies” are going to be suicidal when the drill rig pulls up in front of their mailbox. Go ahead mittens, “unleash the beast”. Full steam ahead!

      • Robert Smith

        Vigilant claims: “Just think, if Obama’s re-elected, he’ll “inherit” one Hell of a mess from HIMSELF.”

        No, it’s the SAME problems as GWB passed on, just not quite so bad.

        Had the Republicans NOT stood in the way for all these years we would be much better off.

        Just think… A stratigy of obstructionsim and name calling to keep America in an economic ditch as a political effort.

        How sad.

        Rob

      • Ted Crawford

        Robert, Robert ! Open your mail! We’re not bashing Bush anymore( that’s too wornout) We’ve moved on to Nixon now, We are also praying for a major volcanic eruption, that’s the only natural disaster we haven’t attempted to blame for Obamas incompetence and lack of leadership!

      • JCfromDC

        Well said Rob Smith:
        EXCEPT, the “obstructionism” complaint from Obama himself was coming at a time when he had BOTH Houses on HIS side for the first half of HIS term and the last half of Bush IIs second term! So WHO was doing the obstructing? the outvoted minority party? Please!
        AND, lest we forget, if anything, Bush II signed off on just about anything the Democrats put in front of him during BOTH terms! So where was the “obstruction”? The Farm Bill? The Highway Bill? The No Children Left Behind Bill? The Free Meds for Seniors Bill? The complaint from Democrats then was out-of-this-world spending by Bush, but WHO put forth all of those bills? Kennedy, Leahy, Dodd, and McCain (hardly a fiscal conservative)! Yet at the timethe ink hardly dried and the Dems complaint was that it wasn’t enough (but way too much at election time)! Now spending MORE than 43 previous presidents COMBINED in less than 4 years, it’s still not enough? HOW can that still be laid on Bush’s doorstep???? No good sir, it’s Obama’s mess AND legacy, win or lose this year.

      • Smilee

        JCfromDC says:
        August 31, 2012 at 10:42 am

        Your either forgetting, ignoring or do not understand how government works. In the senate you need 60 votes to pass any new laws and 18 of these 24 months the democrats only had 59 so that left the senate in full control for only 6 months. The GOP used every stalling tactic in their tool box to be sure Obama did not get his agenda passed into law. During that two years and since the republicans set an all time record for filibusters, Obama Care became law during that six months because when Franken was sworn in they reached 60 and lost it again when Brown took Kennedy’s seat moving it back down to 59. Franken is the reason we got Obamacare not Obama’s as he could not have signed the bill without it passing in Congress.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Robert says: Had the Republicans NOT stood in the way for all these years we would be much better off.

        Just think… A stratigy of obstructionsim and name calling to keep America in an economic ditch as a political effort.

        For sure, Rob. However, he had no problems passing all those executive orders of his; none of which, btw, had anything to do with creating jobs.

      • Melesa

        Yeah, but he won’t care…Just balme it on Bush and head for the golf course!

      • http://yahoo gator

        rob, the dem’s controlled the house when bush was in, congressional approval got us into iraq, frannie, freddie; and now solyndra, selling firearms to the murderous cartels, obamacare, the list goes on and on, but i don’t have all day.
        i’m just hope those that voted for obama because he was black/white, will vote not vote for him this time to prove they aren’t racist’s. we definately need a CHANGE in the WH, maybe AMERICAN’S will vote with their brains this time.

    • Karolyn

      Seemed to me like Clint is kin dof losing it. A little too old for the public stage.

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, your comment is so mean, insensitive and disgusting. Someday you may be 82 and one can only hope that you would still be able to hear someone ridicule you because you’re old and out of touch. Well old maybe because you’ve seemed to have been out of touch with reality anyway.
        You are a Hypocrit Karolyn and your words are no different than Schultz, Maddow and Matthews.

      • http://donretusa.wordpress.com donretusa

        I am with you Karolyn. His demeanor was awful. He made a spectacle out of himself. I notice even Paul Ryan was shaking his head. Don S.

      • Don

        And so called people like you should not be able to talk, you are such a disgusting piece of quap

      • Palin16

        Clint is a real American, unlike Hussein Obama. ” When somebody does not do the job, we got to let them go.”….Clint Eastwood

      • Karolyn

        Come on, Jeff, I was embarrassed for him. It totally surprised me because he has a new movie out. I was shocked at what I saw.

      • Karolyn

        Also, Jeff, i have heard you say much more mean, disgusting and insensitive things about others. Who’s the hypocrite?

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, c’mon K, weak and lousy response. This response isn’t about me, it’s about your constant faux “rose colored” outlook.

        I don’t say one thing and then do another…you do because you are a hypocrit!

      • http://Comcast The fisherman

        no he is right were he belongs with the rest of the losers

      • Karolyn

        Jeff – This forum is a bad influence. It can be difficult not to buy into the negativity. It is much easier for negativity to rub off on a positive person than vice versa. However, I do enjoy the joust and am happy when i can contibute something of value. (Despite what you might think, I do!)

      • Winddrinker

        I loved the old, “Go ahead and make my day’er!” I laughed many times at his dry humor and Karolyn you didn’t “get it” because you didn’t listen.. He did a great job, at 82, without a teleprompter!!

        I loved the idea of the “empty chair” that was supposed to be obumscum! Couldn’t have been a better idea…this “empty chair” we have in the oval office is too busy being on the golf course, being on a perpetual fund raising tour, or being on some lavish vacations paid for by the “working Americans.”

        We have a bad president that is missing in action most of the time, hiding from the American people, his own staff, congress, and the press (the press just makes-up their stuff anyway.)

      • Mimi

        I guess it was over your head. You should be as witty as Clint. There’s nothing wrong with Eastwood’s mind. You may have noticed that the audience got it! So did we out here! You didn’t like it, so you have to denigrate the man. What a kind person you are, like most liberal Democrats.

      • Vigilant

        Karolyn, you are indeed hard to figure out sometimes. First, you say “Seemed to me like Clint is kind of losing it. A little too old for the public stage,” then follow it up with a comment about negativity on this site. Would you call your first comment positive and full of optimism?

        Have you become so accustomed to the scripted, teleprompter-polished slickness of public relations puppets that you automatically condemn the performance of one who speaks as most Americans speak? Is it the American Idol syndrome that places shadow above substance?

        Will you listen to and read the words of the politicos, or will you set up your scorecard based on looks, smoothness of delivery and the number of talk shows a person attends? Do negative political ads sway you like a weathervane, or do you scrutinize the history and obviously unconstitutional actions of the resident of the Oval Office?

      • Joe Hammond

        Actually, what we saw was an actor from films who is used to working in very short takes which can be done again and again unttil it is acceptable rather than a stage actor who is used to the total story being done in one take and who is prepared to use improv to achieve the desired results. Stage acting is much more demanding.

        • MikeR

          I think Clint did a damned good job. It was an improvisational skit that got a lot of laughs and made an important point – If you hire someone to do a job, and the job isn’t being done to your satisfaction, it’s time to fire that person and hire someone else. He mocked an arrogant and ineffective President, and he did it very well.

        • Kathy

          Very good points. The upside to Clint’s presentation it was a distraction for the Democrats. They made fun of Clint rather than Romney. Many folks put empty chairs with flags on their front lawn on labor day.

          Off topic – Still laughing that Gabby Douglas sat next to Mrs Oblamer on the Jay Leno show. Gabby said that after winning the gold medal, she “rewarded herself with an Egg McMuffin”. Mrs Food Police was not happy. Truth be told, I think Michelle Obama is right as far as good nutrition, especially for kids, but you can’t legislate it.

      • OomYaaqub

        Only someone with no sense of humor would say Clint Eastwood was “out of touch” or even inappropriate. I thought it was hilarious.

      • Chester

        Don, if you actually believe that she should NOT be allowed to speak simply because you don’t like what she had to say, perhaps you should pick yourself up and move you to a country where she would NOT have been allowed to speak simply because of what she is, not what ideas she might express. Almost any Arabian/Islamic country allows women NO voice in their politics.

      • Ally

        I loved Clint he was great, I can’t wait to see his new movie. He was better than Bill Clintons speech, at least Clints was more honest. Everyone knows Clinton doesn’t want Obama to win, He wants Hillary to have a chance in 2016. If Obama wins again the Dems will run Biden in 2016 but if Romney wins the Dems will run Hillary in 2016.

        • MikeR

          Ally: I agree with what you said about Clint. He’s a great actor, and age hasn’t dulled his mind. I think every pause and every stammer was intended. It was an improvisational comedy skit, and he accomplished his goal: Make Obama look like the arrogant, incompetent buffoon that he is. I disagree with you about Biden. Not even the Democrats are stupid enough to run him for President.

          • gfsomsel

            Don’t overestimate the intelligence of Dumb-Old-Rats. They’re pretty stupid. It takes a certain amount of stupidity to be a Dumb-Old-Rat.

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            gfsomsel: Biden is the gift that keeps on giving. He’s kind of like a human whoopie cushion.

          • kathy

            Folks who are stupid enough to elect Oblamer for a second term are also stupid enough to run Biden up the flagpole.

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            Kathy: I’d like to see that – feet first.

    • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

      I listen to a lot of classical music on the FM (via streaming). This AM a host noted that there was a lot of buzz about Clint Eastwood’s appearance and described it as “bizarre.” Well, it was quite different, but I’m not sure I would describe it as bizarre. It was different, and if that equates to bizarre, so be it. I thought it was funny.

      • Kathy

        I didn’t see Clint’s speech. No TV reception (will have to go to a sports bar for Ryan/Biden debate). But, from what I read that was Classic Clint. Bizare is his norm and what makes him endearing. Great warm up for Mitt Romney!!!

      • JeffH

        George, my thoughts also. I really felt he was winging it and was intentionally humorous. I wonder if all of his pauses, hmmm’s and hawwww’s was just his subtle way of mocking Obama’s constant barrage of hmmmm’s and hawwww’s.

      • Mimi

        So did I George. He was very good, and right on point. Thanks.

      • MikeR

        He was funny and justifiably irreverent.

      • http://persona;lliberty Brandi

        i thought the skit was great and very true.

    • SJJolly

      Obama an “empty chair.” Ever hear the fable of the frogs who begged the gods for a king? The gods responded — a passerby threw in a log. The frogs weren’t satisfied — the log was good for sunning themselves on, but otherwise didn’t do anything. So the gods send a stork, which busily caught and swallowed frogs Considering the vast post-9/11 anti-terrorist powers Congress has given the presidency, be happy with an “empty chair.”

      • gfsomsel

        That was one dumb-assed story.

      • Pathfinder

        ‘Empty chair” …. “Empty suit” …..perfect analogy!

      • Don

        The book out by the New York times best seller I think called the Avenger? says OB doesn’t like his job as president so he is acting it.

    • Mirror, Mirror

      Warrior. You watching too many reflections of yourself in the mirror. If you were a warrior you’d be volunteering in Afghanistan to fight the Taliban or for that matter an empty chair standing next to Clint Eastwood. A once good actor who now talks to empty chairs. Sounds like dementia and Alzheimers to me. The GOP has no place for such a sick man.

      • gfsomsel

        Edgar Bergen was known for talking to blocks of wood, but no one claimed he had dementia. Perhaps your opinion of his medical condition is influenced by your political position?

      • DaveH

        Mirror says — “If you were a warrior you’d be volunteering in Afghanistan to fight the Taliban”.
        No, he’s probably smarter than to fight a phony enemy who was ginned up to rally ignorant people behind the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists as they grow their Power and Wealth at the rest of our expense.
        Read this to learn some reality about Wars and Leaders:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

      • http://www.facebook.com/rene.stover.9 Rene Stover

        The Republican Party is no a Grand Old Party, it and the democrat Parties are both members of the Political Mafia, they are a disgrace to America, and in their conventions, they have both proven it. The both need to be gotten rid of, in favor of Constitutional Liberty. I am no longer a Republican after what they have done the last few years, and especially during this last So-Called Convention. It was really a burning of the US Constitution!

    • nc

      Warrior, the “empty chair’ could just as well been for george w. bush (MIA) and the “pregnant pause” for the years of 2001-2008 whose legacy in our current situation was never explained! 69 million Americans voted for Obama and Mitt Romney sure ain’t no reason to change.
      He is going to fix our problem with the same fiscal policy that cause the problem that 69 million voted against???? I didn’t see much “bounce” in the polls from the convention with it’s dynamic duo! Why so??? Even here Mittens is suspect to a number of conservatives in spite of the “strong right wing platform”. The world has yet to hear the Democrat explanation of what’s really in the Republican platform for the women and middle class! Past history makes the Republican platform a true ” pig in a poke”

      • JeffH

        nc says “Warrior, the “empty chair’ could just as well been for george w. bush…”

        But it wasn’t was it. LMAO!

    • George P.

      I am hardly an Obama fan but let’s not twist quotes to change the real meaning. When Obama said “you didn’t build that” he did NOT refer to the business that a given entrepreneur created. He was referring to the infrastructure – roads, bridges, utilities, and all that came before – that make the new business able to prosper.

      Let’s win on the truth of conservative convictions without stooping to twist any candidates words into lies. Be better than that.

      • 124andmore

        GeorgeP: Perhaps you are right, maybe he was referring to the infrastructure. But does that matter much? His clear intent was to diminish the effort of the business builder, and share the business builder’s success with the government, who (he thinks) built the infrasturcture. What the socialist Obama fails to recognize (or refuses to acknowledge), is that businesses built the infrastructure with their tax money. Government doesn’t build anything.

        • Kathy

          I think Obama back peddled quickly when he realized the anger his statement evoked. He quickly inserted that he meant infrastructure. I ran an executive recruiting firm for about 30 years. The government never retained me for their staffing needs. I paid state and federal taxes an filled out the respective forms for them. Also had to pay a $50 a year permit fee for the privilege of collecting state taxes for them (at that time 4.5% of the total fee). If anything, government took up my time that I could have used more productively. Had 5 phone lines between home and office, so AT& T was the biggest contributor to my infrastructure. For most small to medium businesses between regulations and taxes, Gov’t is a liability rather than as asset.

          • MikeR

            I would love to see the income tax replaced with the Fair Tax. The government would no longer be able to wage class war with the tax code, and no longer be able to use the tax code to reward friends and punish enemies.

          • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

            Kathy: Very well said.

      • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

        Oh, yes, but he was referring to the businesses. Read the transcript.

      • Willie Lockheads

        Everyone has use of the infrastructure. Everyone has access to education. It is what is done by the individual that makes the difference between having a successful business and NOT having a successful business. So, yes, the individual is the one who made the difference, took the risk, used his/her time, effort, money and resources to make it happen.

        Even the old fur traders, or the general store in a frontier town, WAY before roads, bridges, and public utilities. So, yes, what the individual does IS the important factor.

        Some use the infrastructure to build success for themselves, provide jobs for others, pay their taxes, and show the way to “get ‘er done.”

        Others use the intersections to beg for other people to help them, or use the bridges and public structures as living spaces, or toilets, or surfaces to paint their “art.” And use the force of government to get their “fair share.”

        Let’s see, which is the more admirable use of the infrastructure?

        Sorry, even in context, he’s saying that the business founder “didn’t build that” when, in fact, s/he did.

  • Deerinwater

    I’m thinking the GOP and the RNC are unworthy supporting and it time for a more robust third party that better reflects the feelings of tax paying Americans that have had enough and don’t want to accept status quo anymore.

    • Ted Crawford

      Nice try Comrade! But, in the real world, timing is everything, and this definately is not the time!

      • SJJolly

        Now is never the right time for change. No matter how bad things are, someone is going to be sure change will make things worse.

      • boyscout

        I am feeling the change already; in my pocket. Unfortunately, it used to be dollars of larger denomination !

      • http://mozilla robert e. lee

        to Karolyn;;;;;;;somehow I think Clint will not need your pity and condescending empathy; what have you done in your life????????

    • LC

      I completly agree. Let’s try not to forget that in 2016 the RNC will LEGALLY be able to do, what they did this year illegally to Paul, Iowa, and Maine except on a national scale. Any hope in the future of a true Libertarian,Constitutionalist,TPer or any other third or green party after this election cycle will no longer exist. I personal feel that the momentum that Paul was gathering in the primaries was unexpected by the RNC and the actuality of a third party candidate winning the voice of the American people scared the he// out of the crooks. So if the American people don’t stand together now for a true statesmen, they’re gonna change the rules. Not only that, but if the RNC gets away with such unconstitutional rigging of the primaries you can bet that the DNC will follow suit. I say vote your convictions and let the chips fall where they may. It very well could be the absolute last chance we have of breaking away from both of these disgusting, civil rights destroying, crooked a&& parties!

      A note to PLD
      Dear Sirs,

      I respectfully implore you to investigate the rumored allegations of the RNC’s future agenda of changing the primary candidate selection rules. I would also ask that this be reported on in a truthful, undeceiving manner, so that all here can be made aware of it’s existance and the possibility of losing the third party vote forever. If not, you might as well go ahead and change the name of this forum to the Persons for the Republicans Digest, since liberty will have been removed from the states and minds of the citizenry forever.
      In Love with Freedom, Liberty, and the American Way,
      Larry Casebolt Jr.

      • boyscout

        DITTO

      • TerriG

        Nally, I would like to see the Libertarians running under their own party instead of hiding behind the Republican name. It is high time that ended.

      • Smilee

        JeffH says:
        August 31, 2012 at 11:13 pm

        Karolyn, conservatives deservedly talk bad about our government, not bad about America

        Jeff, WE THE PEOPLE are our government and America it is all one and the same a fact conservatives fail to comprehend .. When Reagan said Government is the problem he was really saying we the people were the problem and he planted the seed of hate of government which caught root and grew up to be a destructive weed in our society today , it has become the food that Conservative now exist on, Government is the authority in our lives and rebellion against authority results in breakdown in society. Government has to be managed wisely by we the people not trying to make everyone believe it is your enemy. This is self destructive behavior that conservatives are so deeply guilty of today. Conservatives used to mean well managed and efficient government not bad government that they are working so hard to attain today. I left the conservative movement recently and I had been very active with it and the reason I left was because of the hatred they now towards government and many of their fellow men which they are now espousing. It is bad and Obama acknowledges that, conservatives pat themselves on the back and pretend it is not true yet almost all at the GOP convention were ranting and raving how bad things were and wanting us to believe it only got that way in the last three and a half years when we have been headed in this direction for thirty years and their solution going back to doing the same things we have been doing the last 30 years and expect things to get better. Romney promised 12 million new jobs in the next four years when the record for job creation amounts happened under both Reagan and Clinton but it took them all 8 years to get to 12 million and Romney is asking us to believe he can do it in half the time with an economy twice as bad. Only a fool would believe that. That is but only one false claim of many at the convention the other big one was Ryan blaming Obama for the closing the Janesville GM plant when it had been closed for a month before Obama took office. One must wonder if you have to fabricate these these things is it because you have no real solutions.Just blame it on something else and offer solutions that no one to date is able to comprehend without more detail except the Ryan Budget Plan that is in writing and fully endorsed by Romney which almost all Professional Responsible and credible persons whom have studied it say it would be a disaster if implemented. Beware these two phonies bearing fools gold solutions. If your an alcoholic the first step to recovery is acknowledging you have a drinking problem and the same is true with government and that is recognizing we are in reality as superior a people as the conservatives try to say we are. Never the less we are a good people just that we are letting ourselves be misled, I also believe the Germans were and are good people but look were they let Hitler lead them, it started with false promises and ended in disaster, Please do not think that I think the Romney/Ryan ticket is planning anything close to that but if they destroy the economy by going back to doing the same thing as we have been doing the last thirty years we will destroy it and Obama’s direction which is a new direction and in its infancy and needs time to grow or it to will die, It took 30 years to get were we are at today and what Obama has done will not mature until sometime after he leaves office in 2017 but it will get us where we need to go if we do not derail it. I am old enough to remember the economic good times we had in the fifties, sixties and most of the seventies and have watched this planned destruction that the conservative movement has swung to in the last thirty years and it has not been good for annyone.

        • gfsomsel

          Smilee, there is nothing new about Bam Bam’s vision for America. It is the same old, tired socialism which has been tried numerous times and in numerous places. It is the same old tired socialism which has failed and brought misery upon those on whom it has been imposed. Are we to suppose that the failures are simply due to those who practiced it but that we can expect better results because THE ONE who has promised to stop the rise of the seas and heal the globe is administering it? It is not the old policies which failed (capitalism) it is rather that a foreign system (socialism) has been imposed upon it.

      • DaveH

        Smilee says — “Government is the authority in our lives and rebellion against authority results in breakdown in society”.
        So now Smilee reveals that he is for “authority”. Thanks for that revelation, Smilee.
        “rebellion against authority results in breakdown”? So Smilee, you are saying that your kind would forgo morality and start trespassing on their neighbors’ bodies and properties were it not for Big Government? Yet you want us to believe that if we give you Power, you are going to use it benevolently and wisely and not abuse it? That’s a pretty big stretch, Smilee:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wKyXA_nMVQ

      • Smilee

        gfsomsel says:
        September 1, 2012 at 10:32 am

        Well, you have the far right misleading rhetoric down pat but no facts, I just spent a month in Norway whom has all the things you call socialism, Unemployment is 3 % the economy is booming and their building all over the country both infrastructure and homes and second homes which 1/4 of them now own. Their wages are four times our median wages and their taxes and living expenses twice what ours is but with four times the income that is a bargain, they have almost no poverty, very low crime. The government furnishes all their health care needs, a large share of their education costs, day care services, unemployment for whatever reason you are not working and as long as you are off work, A stipend of over $5000 in dollars to each family when they have a new baby to get them off to a good start, mothers get 11 months full paid wages and leave after giving birth and dad get one month wages and leave and a good defined benefit pension after age 67 for life and their pension trust fund is the largest in the world per capita bar none. They do not see this as socialism but by doing these things ecollectively they can do it cheaper and better and do. Other than these added tax requirements they are as free as we and no high medical premiums, almost no poverty or crime. I found almost all their like their system. They live in much more harmony and like and respect their government. Having said all this does not mean it is heaven on earth over there, just a lot less stressful and prosperous people. Europe’s current financial problems did not result from what you call socialism but from the american banks toxic banking instruments which they bought into big time and it was catastrophic in Greece, Italy and Spain and through the bank of England, Iceland and Ireland but conservatives in this country do not want you do know these truths. Frontline had a four hour documentary that described the economic meltdown and fully documented Europe’s financial woes. Norway and a few other countries did not get into these and their socialism as you call it proves it can work despite what you want us to believe to the contrary. Look at the whole world picture and you will see it works in the places it is done the right way. Only a few countries do not do their health care this way and they do it at about one half the cost we do. Tracked outcomes also show that about 35 countries have better outcomes than we do and at half the cost. Rationing that conservatives claim will result is a red herring to, those that cannot get insurance are rationed here today, those with preexisting conditions are rationed many HMO’s require you use their doctors and make you wait, a friend of mine had to wait almost five months for surgery because they would not let him go outside the HMO, he ended up being on crutches for this time and on pain pills because of it and know of many other instances so rationing is alive and well in the US but no worse that the other countries. I have been on medicare since 2006 and not worry about rationing and with a supplement ins plan no deductibles, copays, no turn downs for prexisting conditions and they say that it does not work. if Conservatives would cooperate and find an adequate funding source it would work well. employers are now often paying the medicare costs for employees over 65 and dropping their group plan on them, the employer saves a lot and the employee get far better coverage. Your BS is just that

        • gfsomsel

          Smilee, I’ve never been to Norway so there is no way that I would have written that. Troll.

          • Smilee

            What are you talking about, Written what??????

      • Smilee

        Not saying that a all davie you sure can twist and turn things that I say, listen better and his might improve that if you can look at it with an open mind, Your an expert at distortion

      • DaveH

        What part did I twist, Smilee? Be specific.

      • DaveH

        If people were angels, there would be no need for Government. Since people aren’t angels, and Government is people, we need to constrain Government to a few necessary tasks such as adjudicating against Force and Fraud, and defense against outside attackers. To accomplish that we need only a very small Government — Probably much less than 1/3 the size that it currently is.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 1, 2012 at 2:44 pm

        The last three sentences in your post where your words not mine.

        I know you are for a real small government but that is just your opinion. The Constitution does not define the size of government it leave that up to Congress with in the boundaries set by it and that does not limit the size of government. Article 1, section 8 includes “The Congress shall have the Power To lay and collect taxes……to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general welfare of the United States” I do not think anyone would argue that Congress does not have the power to determine the size of defense. The Constitution does not make a distinction between defense and the general welfare and leaves the size to the will of Congress. In his Majority Opinion on Obamacare John Roberts make it very clear that Congress can enact this law and lay the and collect taxes to fund it and says that it is constitutional or permitted under the Constitution. He specifically said this article and section is the authority under which congress has that power and it is no different with medicaid, medicare and SS and other welfare. These are big programs but Constitutional. I know you do not like this part of the Constitution but it is what it is. The Constitution does little to limit the size of government but it does define what Congress can do and not do and if the power is not given to the congress then that power rests with the state or the people. many conservatives define it different but the only definition that counts is the SC definition.

        • gfsomsel

          The Constitution does set indirect limits on the size of governent by setting limits upon the areas which are permitted to the government. The “general welfare” clause has been much abused since it does not come under the rubric of the enumerated powers of this government. The Federal Government should be limited to those enumerated powers.

      • DaveH

        I didn’t say they were your words, Smilee. Thus the question marks. As usual, you are taking things out of context to make an invalid point.

      • DaveH

        Smilee says — “I do not think anyone would argue that Congress does not have the power to determine the size of defense”.
        Sure they would if they read the Constitution, Smilee, so here it is:
        https://www.cato.org/constitution/constitution_en.html
        From Article I, Section 8:
        “The Congress shall have Power … To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years”.

        Smilee says — “The Constitution does not make a distinction between defense and the general welfare and leaves the size to the will of Congress”.
        The so-called General Welfare clause was never meant to give Congress blanket power over all aspects of our lives. It was merely a qualifier added to mean that Congress could not make laws favoring some states over the others (thus “General” welfare). Otherwise, why would the Founders bother to enumerate a list of Powers, since Congress can always construe their actions to be for the General Welfare as Progressives interpret it, thus the list would be a waste of time?

        Smilee says — “In his Majority Opinion on Obamacare John Roberts make it very clear that Congress can enact this law and lay the and collect taxes to fund it and says that it is constitutional or permitted under the Constitution”.
        The Supreme Court, a branch of the Federal Government, can be expected to rule in favor of their Gang. Why not? They have life-time appointments, so have nothing to lose by favoring their Federal Government cohorts. The Supreme Court was never given the right to be the final arbiters of the Constitution. They just took that right in the mid 1800s.
        Anybody, who takes the time to read the Federalist Papers (meant to persuade New Yorkers to adopt the Constitution) and the actual Constitution, can see that.

        Smilee says — “These are big programs but Constitutional”.
        No, Smilee, they aren’t. Those who put in a little bit of study will see that. I will post a link to the Federalist Papers, and to Madison’s notes of the Constitutional Convention in following comments for those who are interested.

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        James Madison’s notes from the Constitutional Convention:
        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/debcont.asp

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          I think you are attempting to apply the standards of the Constitution which govern the Federal Government to the Republican Party which is NOT a government entity. This is illegitimate.

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          I read until I encountered the term “neocons.” I think that is a very stupid term to use and is generally applied to anyone who is conservative but with whom the speaker/writer disagrees. To the best of my knowledge there is no generally accepted definition of “neocons.”

      • DaveH

        For those who are interested in knowing more than Smilee and his Progressive cohorts want you to know:
        http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo105.html

      • DaveH

        Also note that the Confederacy, which used the original Constitution as boilerplate for their new Constitution, purposely took out the “General Welfare” qualifier, because it had already been misconstrued and misused by those seeking great Power in the Central Government as far back in our history as 1860. See Article I, Section 8, and compare it to same in the original Constitution:
        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

      • DaveH

        More on the “General Welfare Clause”:
        http://archive.mises.org/20302/constitutional-law-is-supposed-to-be-different/

        “As James Madison, “the father of the Constitution” put it, “If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one subject to particular exceptions…the phrase…was always understood as nothing more than a general caption to the specified powers…” Further, “If Congress…are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare…everything… would be thrown under the power of Congress … “”

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Actually, “promote the general welfare” expresses the purpose of the enumerated powers and is not a power in itself. It is too general to be a power delegated to the government since it is dependent upon one’s personal opinion of what promotes the general welfare and might (probably will) differ from that of others. It reminds me of Bam Bam’s repeated appeal to fairness (“the rich need to pay their fair share”). Who made him the arbiter of what is fair? Is it fair that 10% of the population pay the largest portion of taxes (and the top 25% pay 90% of taxes) while 50% of the population pays nothing with some even receiving money as “earned income credit.” That doesn’t sound particularly fair to me (and I don’t come anywhere near being rich so I don’t have a dog in this fight).

      • Smilee

        Smilee says
        September 1, 2012 at 1:12 pm

        What are you talking about, Written what??????

        Davie this was in response to and directed at gfsomsel

      • Smilee

        gfsomsel says:
        September 1, 2012 at 10:49 pm

        The Constitution does set indirect limits on the size of governent by setting limits upon the areas which are permitted to the government. LIMITS YES, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.

        The “general welfare” clause has been much abused since it does not come under the rubric of the enumerated powers of this government. THAT IS JUST SIMPLY YOUR OPINION AND IT IS TOTALLY INCORRECT AS JOHN ROBERTS WROTE IN HIS MAJORITY OPINION ON OBAMACARE FULLY CONTRADICT YOU.

        the Federal Government should be limited to those enumerated powers. THEY ARE!! AS JOHN ROBERTS WROTE IN HIS MAJORITY OPINION ON OBAMACARE FULLY CONTRADICT YOU.

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          My field of study is in reading and analyzing documents. In doing so it is necessary to determine how all of the clauses fit together and the purpose (intention) of the writing. Don’t question me on that because you’re out of your league.

          • John W. Howard

            George some time away from this blog I’d love to discuss Etymology with you as it’s a hobby of mine. Yes I know my spelling is teribble. Thank God for spell check.

          • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

            I don’t pay much attention to etymology since it is not a good guide to what a word might mean in any particular context. As Humpty-Dumpty said to Alice “When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean.” That is true of most writers. Words change over time—we wouldn’t use the term “lady” to describe a female if it had its original meaning of “keeper of the bread.”

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 10:01 am

        Smilee says — “I do not think anyone would argue that Congress does not have the power to determine the size of defense”.

        Sure they would if they read the Constitution, Smilee, so here it is:
        https://www.cato.org/constitution/constitution_en.html I HAVE READ IT MANY TIME, THANKS ANYHOW

        From Article I, Section 8:

        “The Congress shall have Power … To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years”. THAT IS A LIMIT ON HOW IN SHOULD DONE AND DOES NOT IN ANY WAY INFRINGE ON THE SIZE OF DEFENSE

        Smilee says — “The Constitution does not make a distinction between defense and the general welfare and leaves the size to the will of Congress”.

        The so-called General Welfare clause was never meant to give Congress blanket power over all aspects of our lives. It was merely a qualifier added to mean that Congress could not make laws favoring some states over the others (thus “General” welfare). Otherwise, why would the Founders bother to enumerate a list of Powers, since Congress can always construe their actions to be for the General Welfare as Progressives interpret it, thus the list would be a waste of time? WHY INDEED, SE DO KNOW, YOU IGNORE THAT JOHN ROBERTS IN HIS MAJORITY OPINION ON OBAMACARE FOUND THE OPPOSITE OF YOU SPIN ON THIS, OBAMACARE IS GENERAL WELFARE AND THAT CONGRESS CAN LAY AND COLLECT TAXES TO PAY FOR IT AND THAT ANY MONEY THEY TAKE FROM TAXPAYERS UNDER ANY NAME IS TAXING, YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER, HIS DOES IT HAS POWER YOURS DOES NOT!!

        Smilee says — “In his Majority Opinion on Obamacare John Roberts make it very clear that Congress can enact this law and lay the and collect taxes to fund it and says that it is constitutional or permitted under the Constitution”.

        The Supreme Court, a branch of the Federal Government, can be expected to rule in favor of their Gang. Why not? They have life-time appointments, so have nothing to lose by favoring their Federal Government cohorts. The Supreme Court was never given the right to be the final arbiters of the Constitution. They just took that right in the mid 1800s. Anybody, who takes the time to read the Federalist Papers (meant to persuade New Yorkers to adopt the Constitution) and the actual Constitution, can see that. YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER, THE SUPREME COURTS DOES IT HAS POWER YOURS DOES NOT!!

        Smilee says — “These are big programs but Constitutional”.

        No, Smilee, they aren’t. Those who put in a little bit of study will see that. I will post a link to the Federalist Papers, and to Madison’s notes of the Constitutional Convention in following comments for those who are interested. NOTE DAVIE IS SAYING OBAMACARE IS NOT A BIG PROGRAM, THE FEDERALIST PAPERS AND MADISON’ NOTES WHERE NEVER MADE A PART OF THE CONSTITUION, THE FEDERLIST PAPERS WERE THE SELLING POINTS FOR THE ORGINIAL RATIFICATION CAMPAIGN TO SELL THE CONSTITUTION AND ARE GOOD FOR REFERENCE BUT ARE NEVER DETERMINATE AS JOHN ROBERTS RECENT MAJORITY OPINION MADE VERY CLEAR.

      • Smilee

        George Somsel says:
        September 2, 2012 at 11:00 am

        Actually, “promote the general welfare” expresses the purpose of the enumerated powers and is not a power in itself. It is too general to be a power delegated to the government since it is dependent upon one’s personal opinion of what promotes the general welfare and might (probably will) differ from that of others. It reminds me of Bam Bam’s repeated appeal to fairness (“the rich need to pay their fair share”). Who made him the arbiter of what is fair? Is it fair that 10% of the population pay the largest portion of taxes (and the top 25% pay 90% of taxes) while 50% of the population pays nothing with some even receiving money as “earned income credit.” That doesn’t sound particularly fair to me (and I don’t come anywhere near being rich so I don’t have a dog in this fight).

        THE CHIEF JUSTICE IN HIS RECENT RULING DISAGREES WITH YOU. YOUR ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN OPINION BUT IT IS WORTHLESS IF THE COURT HAS SAID YOU ARE WRONG AND THEY CLEARLY HAVE HERE. YOU SOUND LIKE A REAL FRUSTRATED MAN FILLED WITH HATE OF OBAMA AS YOUR FIGURES ABOVE ARE TOTALLY SKEWED, PROPORATITE EQUAL TAXATION IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES AND THE RICH PAY A VERY SMALL AMOUNT PROPORTAIANTELY, HALF DO NOT PAY INCOME TAXES ANYMORE BECAUSE THEIR WAGES DROPPED SO DRASTICALLY THAT THEY NO LONGER ARE REQUIRED TO, THE RATES HAVE NOT CHANGED MUCH

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          While I haven’t sat down and read Chief Justice Robert’s decision in detail, I very much doubt that he said anything to contradict what I stated. If so, perhaps you could quote the section (somewhat extensively and without editing).

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 10:52 am
        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 10:47 am
        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 10:07 am
        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 10:05 am
        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 10:03 am

        ALL OF THESE POSTS YOU MADE ARE MERE OPINIONS OF THE AUTHORS AND SOME ACTUAL DISTORT REALITY, THE FEDERALIST PAPERS HAVE SOME VALIDLY BUT ARE NOT A PART OF THE CONSTITUTION AND HAVE BEEN USED AS REFERENCE BUT NEVER DETERMINATE.. THE COURT RULINGS IS WHAT COUNT AS ONLY THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DEFINE IT’S MEANING AND THEY HAVE DEFINED OBAMACARE AS GENERAL WELFARE UNDER THE TERMS OF ARTICLE 8 SECTION 1, THAT WAS ROBERTS OPINION WHICH CLEARLY IS IN 180 DEGREE CONTRAST TO YOU AND OTHERS RESPONDING TO ME ON THIS THREAD.

      • Smilee

        George Somsel says:
        September 2, 2012 at 12:55 pm

        You can find it on the supreme court’s web page and others, the court determined you could not collect the penalty (tax by their definition) under the commerce clause but that you could collect it under the the enumeration powers given Congress in Article 1 section 8, paragraph one. dealing with the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare. Look it up.

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Yes, I am aware of its being upheld as a tax, but that says nothing regarding it being allowed by the general welfare clause.

      • DaveH

        Smilee shouts (getting a little frantic are we, Sleepee?) — “ALL OF THESE POSTS YOU MADE ARE MERE OPINIONS OF THE AUTHORS”.
        Educated opinions, Sleepee, with backup references, unlike yours.

      • DaveH

        You can repeat your Propaganda all day long, Sleepee, and it will still just be Propaganda.
        James Madison 1831 — “With respect to the words ‘general welfare’, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by it creators”.

        You lose, Sleepee. Now lay down and take a nap.

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        From the Federalist #41 (by James Madison):
        http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa41.htm

        “Some, who have not denied the necessity of the power of taxation, have grounded a very fierce attack against the Constitution, on the language in which it is defined. It has been urged and echoed, that the power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,” amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction.
        Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases”.

      • DaveH

        James Madison, by the way, is generally regarded as the Father of the Constitution. No other man was as instrumental as James Madison in creating the Constitution.
        Smilee and his Progressive Cohort Usurpers would have us believe that James Madison did not know what the passages of the Constitution meant.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 1:58 pm

        You have become so frustrated it has effected any rational thought on your part.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 2:04 pm

        You can repeat your Propaganda all day long, Sleepee, and it will still just be Propaganda.

        James Madison 1831 — “With respect to the words ‘general welfare’, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by it creators”.

        You lose, Sleepee. Now lay down and take a nap.

        NO, YOU LOSE DAVIE AS CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS HAS SHOT DOWN YOUR BS STATEMENTS AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 2:05 pm

        http://freelythinking.com/genwel.htm

        ANOTHER GARBAGE SITE FROM DAVY

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 2:13 pm

        From the Federalist #41 (by James Madison):
        http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa41.htm

        “Some, who have not denied the necessity of the power of taxation, have grounded a very fierce attack against the Constitution, on the language in which it is defined. It has been urged and echoed, that the power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,” amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction. Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases”.

        ITS NOT APPLICABLE TO THE TOPIC, QUIT GOING OFF ON A TANGENT AND FOCUS ON THE TOPIC THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 2:17 pm

        James Madison, by the way, is generally regarded as the Father of the Constitution. No other man was as instrumental as James Madison in creating the Constitution.
        Smilee and his Progressive Cohort Usurpers would have us believe that James Madison did not know what the passages of the Constitution meant.

        IF COURT DECISIONS LATER CONTRADICT HIM THEM WHAT HE SAID IS TOTALLY IRRELAVANT TO ANY INTERPETATION OF THE CONSTITUION. YOU SEEM TO BE STUCK IN THE 18TH CENTURY COME BACK TO THE PRESENT DAVIE

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Smilee, the Constitution is the Constitution and means precisely what the authors meant. You can’t change a writing simply because time has passed. If you wish to change it, you must follow the procedure set forth and not simply decide that it means what you would like for it to mean. In that case, it would have no meaning whatsoever.

          • Smilee

            Davie

            I didn’t try to change anything I just gave you Judge Roberts Opinion, it is you whom is trying to change it, trust me Judge Roberts opinion counts your does not. No more lies about me OK.

      • JeffH

        Take it easy on ole Smilee. He/she likes to take a page from Slick Willy’s playbook… “depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is”.

        Next thing ya know, he/she’ll tell to get the real meaning of a word from an attorney…that Webster was a moron and the dictionary is irrelevant…at least that’s the way it is in Smilee’s world.

      • Smilee

        Sorry Davie, That last post of mine was to George and not you.

      • Smilee

        Jeff

        Go look in a law dictionary, they often use words in different context than Webster or ask an attorney but if you insist on closing your mind you will never learn the truth. It was not from slick Willy’s playbook but I’m sure he would agree and you could never hold a candle to him, he is intelligent!!

      • JeffH

        Smilee, like I said, in your world Webster was a moron and you’re intelligent. ROFLMAO…go see a lawyer to get the meaning of that if you think it means something other than what it is. You’re a pathetic piece of work…too many episodes of Ironsides?

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Hey! Stop that, I liked Ironsides. In fact I got on Hulu or Netflix and started watching it again. I never did get to when they got the new van.

    • Winddrinker

      Obviously, you didn’t see how the RNC focused on the “Exceptionalism of America.” The “theme” was all about the greatness of America and Americans. What a wonderful change….hearing good things being said about our country and its people! It was truly a sharp contrast to what we have been hearing from the current marxist regime.

      I am tired of hearing what a bad country America is… according to obumscum and his lousy band of American-hating communists!

      • Karolyn

        The only bad stuff I’ve heard is from conservatives. Do you honestly think the DNC is not gonna be using the same tactics?

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, conservatives deservedly talk bad about our government, not bad about America.

        No matter how hard they try to conceal it, the Obamas just can’t help themselves when it comes to showing their true feelings about America. Today, Barack Obama answered a seven-year-old who asked why he wanted to be President with this:

        “America is …, uh, is no longer, uh … what it could be, what it once was. And I say to myself, I don’t want that future for my children.”
        ______________________________________________

        Obama denigrates U.S. in report to United Nations
        August 27, 2010

        The Obama Administration made public its first-ever report to the United Nations Human Rights Council detailing the condition of human rights in America and subjecting our nation to criticism from countries like Iran, Cuba, China and others.

        According to the report, the United States violates human rights because of high unemployment rates, hate crimes, poverty, poor housing, lack of access to health care, and discriminatory hiring practices affecting Blacks, Latinos, Muslims, South Asians, Native Americans, and homosexuals.

        Mathew Staver, Founder of Liberty Counsel and Dean of Liberty University School of Law, commented: “The presidency of Barack Obama will be remembered as one that sought to humiliate America by prostrating it before some of the worst human rights violators in the world. To ask North Korea to help America ‘form a more perfect union’ is insane.”
        ___________________________________________________

        Wednesday, August 20, 2008
        Obama quotes Bible, denigrates America
        Obama said at Saddleback……….
        “Americans’ greatest moral failure in my lifetime,” he said, “has been that we still don’t abide by that basic precept in Matthew that whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me.”

      • Smilee

        JeffH says:
        August 31, 2012 at 11:13 pm

        Karolyn, conservatives deservedly talk bad about our government, not bad about America

        Jeff, WE THE PEOPLE are our government and America it is all one and the same a fact conservatives fail to comprehend .. When Reagan said Government is the problem he was really saying we the people were the problem and he planted the seed of hate of government which caught root and grew up to be a destructive weed in our society today , it has become the food that Conservative now exist on, Government is the authority in our lives and rebellion against authority results in breakdown in society. Government has to be managed wisely by we the people not trying to make everyone believe it is your enemy. This is self destructive behavior that conservatives are so deeply guilty of today. Conservatives used to mean well managed and efficient government not bad government that they are working so hard to attain today. I left the conservative movement recently and I had been very active with it and the reason I left was because of the hatred they now towards government and many of their fellow men which they are now espousing. It is bad and Obama acknowledges that, conservatives pat themselves on the back and pretend it is not true yet almost all at the GOP convention were ranting and raving how bad things were and wanting us to believe it only got that way in the last three and a half years when we have been headed in this direction for thirty years and their solution going back to doing the same things we have been doing the last 30 years and expect things to get better. Romney promised 12 million new jobs in the next four years when the record for job creation amounts happened under both Reagan and Clinton but it took them all 8 years to get to 12 million and Romney is asking us to believe he can do it in half the time with an economy twice as bad. Only a fool would believe that. That is but only one false claim of many at the convention the other big one was Ryan blaming Obama for the closing the Janesville GM plant when it had been closed for a month before Obama took office. One must wonder if you have to fabricate these these things is it because you have no real solutions.Just blame it on something else and offer solutions that no one to date is able to comprehend without more detail except the Ryan Budget Plan that is in writing and fully endorsed by Romney which almost all Professional Responsible and credible persons whom have studied it say it would be a disaster if implemented. Beware these two phonies bearing fools gold solutions. If your an alcoholic the first step to recovery is acknowledging you have a drinking problem and the same is true with government and that is recognizing we are in reality as superior a people as the conservatives try to say we are. Never the less we are a good people just that we are letting ourselves be misled, I also believe the Germans were and are good people but look were they let Hitler lead them, it started with false promises and ended in disaster, Please do not think that I think the Romney/Ryan ticket is planning anything close to that but if they destroy the economy by going back to doing the same thing as we have been doing the last thirty years we will destroy it and Obama’s direction which is a new direction and in its infancy and needs time to grow or it to will die, It took 30 years to get were we are at today and what Obama has done will not mature until sometime after he leaves office in 2017 but it will get us where we need to go if we do not derail it. I am old enough to remember the economic good times we had in the fifties, sixties and most of the seventies and have watched this planned destruction that the conservative movement has swung to in the last thirty years and it has not been good for anyone. If we do not let ourselves be misled we can come back to prosperity.

      • DaveH

        In 1900 Government spending was 3% of the GDP.
        Currently Government spends over 40% of our GDP.
        That’s a 13 times increase in the size of Government. How could we possibly need 13 times more Government protection now? Are there 13 times as many Smilees to contend with now as there were then?

      • DaveH

        Smilee says — “I am old enough to remember the economic good times we had in the fifties, sixties and most of the seventies”.
        Hmm. Maybe Smilee is on to something:
        Government spending in 1950 — 24% of GDP.
        Government spending in 1960 — 29% of GDP.
        Government spending in 1970 — 31% of GDP.
        Government spending in 2010 — 41% of GDP.

        http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1950_2011USb_13s1li111mcn_F0t

      • Smilee

        Davie, Your figures show only a small piece of the puzzle, we had a much more balanced economy then, a strong middle class as opposed to today were we have a large poverty class, a very rich class and a very small middle class. We then had living wages without all the welfare programs for working people which were developed in the eighties and over the last thirty years, today almost half our population does not make enough money to pay any income taxes in fact many of them receive earned income credit which is us taxpayers paying for those with low wages because they are underpaid. Public corporations at least should have to refund the money given their employee under the program but we do not make them and this of course means more money can go to the stockholders and we pick up the tab and this is but a small part of the puzzle today there are many others. I went into the work force in 1962 and that year and every year since I have paid taxes, many doing my line of work today do not and some receive these benefits due to reduced wages. The poverty line in 1962 was a real poverty line today the real poverty line is 400% of the poverty line. Does any of this open your eyes. This should give you an idea how the fifties, sixties and seventies were before all these government handouts for workers that mostly benefit businesses today came into existence, Your attempts to say otherwise are false or incomplete or both.

      • DaveH

        Sleepee,
        You’ve been trying to manipulate me your Progressive techniques for how long now? When is it going to dawn on you guys that adolescent techniques only work on the kind of ignorant people who wouldn’t understand why Freedom works anyway?
        Sleepee says — “Does any of this open your eyes….. Your attempts to say otherwise are false or incomplete or both”.
        All I see in your statement, Sleepee, is a lot of conjecture with no real facts and no references to back you up. Since, as I stated (with backup), the Government is now 30% bigger than in 1970, how come they haven’t remedied those claimed conditions? Of course I know they can’t. And I suspect you do also, but being the administration shill that you are, you will say differently in an attempt to sway ignorant readers.
        All Government can do to spur an economy is to get out of the way of the real job creators.
        We can see that here (the Bigger Government gets, the Smaller the Economy gets):
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

      • DaveH

        What gets me is that the Progressives’ economic ideas aren’t even logical. But even worse, their ideas have been proven failures throughout History and all over the world. They must rely on ignorance and human emotion to propagate their Propaganda.
        Ohh, but maybe this time they will work. Even though they haven’t worked for any other country. Yeah, sure.
        Progressivism is all about well-being and success — For the Leaders and their Pals. The rest of us can eat the crumbs.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 1, 2012 at 5:03 pm

        See my post about Norway, it is and it has worked very well for them, their economy is booming with 3% unemployment and there are other countries too that do, the problem is not collectively doing things. It is caused by other reasons and there are many in europe.

      • DaveH

        Yeah sure, Smilee, whatever you say:
        http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-603.pdf

      • DaveH
      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 1, 2012 at 4:58 pm

        Sleepee,
        You’ve been trying to manipulate me your Progressive techniques for how long now? I NEVER HAVE THAT IS JUST YOUR IMAGINATION WORKING OVERTIME When is it going to dawn on you guys that adolescent techniques only work on the kind of ignorant people who wouldn’t understand why Freedom works anyway?

        WE DISAGREE YOUR INTERPETATION ONLY FOCUSES ON YOU AND WHAT YOU WANT AND IF THAT INFRINGES ON SOMEONE ELSES FREEDOM YOU COULD CARE LESS, FREEDOM FOR ALL DOES OT SEEM TO INTEREST YOU

        Sleepee says — “Does any of this open your eyes….. Your attempts to say otherwise are false or incomplete or both”. All I see in your statement, Sleepee, is a lot of conjecture with no real facts and no references to back you up. Since, as I stated (with backup), the Government is now 30% bigger than in 1970,

        {SO IS THE POULATION SO WHY WOULD BELIEVE WOULD GOVERNMENT NOT KEEP PACE, GOVERNMENT PER CAPITA IS THE SMALLEST IT HAS BEEN IN ALMOST 60 YEARS, LESS SIZE AND LESS TAX REVENUE }

        how come they haven’t remedied those claimed conditions? Of course I know they can’t. And I suspect you do also, but being the administration shill that you are, you will say differently in an attempt to sway ignorant readers.

        DAVIE I HAVE KNOW FOR A LONG TIME YOU ARE ONE OF THE IGNORANT READER WHO CANNOT BE SWAYED BUT OUR CONVERSAATION MAY OPEN THE EYES OF THE INTELLIGENT.

        All Government can do to spur an economy is to get out of the way of the real job creators. We can see that here (the Bigger Government gets, the Smaller the Economy gets)

        WE HAVE DONE THAT MORE AND MORE ESPECIALLY SINCE THE NINETIES AND DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE IT HAS WORKED. YOU HAVE AN UNHEALTY TAKE ON AUTHORITY WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE NORMAL TEENAGER, YOU KNOW THEY THIINK THEYKNOW IT ALL AND LATER REALIZE THEY DON’T, YOU HAVE NOT REACHED THAT STAGE YET.

        http://heritage.org/index/ranking THEY HAVE BECOME MORE AND MORE A PROPAGANDA SITE AND SHOOULD BE IGNORED AND WISE PEOPLE DO.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 10:58 am

        Yeah sure, Smilee, whatever you say:
        http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-603.pdf

        THERE IS MUCH IN THIS ARTICLE I AGREE WITH EXCEPT THERE ARE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE NORDIC COUNTRIES TOO AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE GROUPED TOGETHER AND I WAS ONLY SPEAKING OF NORWAY, HE IGNORES QUITE A BIT BUT A LOT OF HIS ARTICLLE IS FACT. HIS TAKE ON THEIR HIGHER TAXES AND LOWER GNP CANNOT BE COMPARED DIRECLY WITH THE USA. OUR GDP INCLUEDS HEALTH CARE INSURANC COSTS, DAY CARE ETC AND THERE ARE NO PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES OR DAY CARE CENTERS IN NORWAY AND TO GET AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISONS YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE WITH USA TAXES PLUS ALL HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS, COPAYS, DEDUCTIABLES, OUT OF POCKET NON COVERED MEDICAL COST, DAY CARE COSTS AND ETC. AS THEY ARE PAID FOR BY TAXES THERE AND HERE THEY ARE NOT. THEIR UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS A LITTLE OVER 3% AND THE ECONOMY IS BOOMING SO I WONDER IF HIS GDP NUMBERS FOR NORWAY MAY BE OUTDATE. HE INCLUDES ICELAND WITH IT WHOM WENT BANKRUPT AND HAD TO BE BAILED OUT, THEY INVESTED HEAVILLY IN TOXIC USA BANK INSTRUMENTS AND LOST THEIR A$$. THEIR KRONE IS 100TH OF NORWAYS IN VALUE. I DO NOT BUY THE FAR RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA ON THIS. DID YOU READ MY MORE IN DEPTH ARTICLE ABOVE.

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Why don’t you leave Norway out of it since that has no bearing upon this country?

      • DaveH

        Smilee says — “http://heritage.org/index/ranking THEY HAVE BECOME MORE AND MORE A PROPAGANDA SITE AND SHOOULD BE IGNORED AND WISE PEOPLE DO”.

        As usual the Progressive Smilee, bereft of factual retort, personally attacks an organization instead of trying to refute what they say.
        Here’s another website that says the same thing:
        http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

      • DaveH

        You’re getting shrill, Sleepee. Seek help.

      • Smilee

         DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 10:58 am

        Yeah sure, Smilee, whatever you say:

        i forgot to mention this article is five years old too and before Iceland went bankrupt

        http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-603.pdf

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 11:00 am

        This blogger says it well:
        http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/5616.aspx

        This bloggers blog is three years old and filled with mostly inaccurate statements, Today Norway is considered highest standard of living in the world, they weathered the economic crises of 07-09 far better than anyone and gained from it. They today are rated the best standard of living in the world especially for woman something I can tell you they are very proud of. The low end of wages is the equivalent of $80,000,00 USD and their taxes about half of that leaving them about $40,000.00 disposal income and none has to be used for health care cost’s, pension costs, day care costs and others (see my post on Norway above) that we have to purchase out of our disposable income and do it on a much lower amount.of income. I can tell you they would never trade places with us.

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Norway is totally irrelevant.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 2:22 pm

        I often read their web site and are on their mailing lists. I always look at all sides and do not limit myself to just this kind of sites that you seem to take as gospel, My view of the Hertiage foundation is that it has become an almost all garbage site. Remember back when they came up with the idea of what we now call Obamacare and Mitt pushed it into law in Mass, they have changed 180 degrees since then and are not worth giving them the time of day.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 2:24 pm

        You’re getting shrill, Sleepee. Seek help.

        What do you mean shrill, it appears to me the truth has silenced you so now you just throw out garbage words with out explaining what they mean if anything.

      • Smilee

        George Somsel says:
        September 2, 2012 at 3:02 pm

        Why don’t you leave Norway out of it since that has no bearing upon this country?

        WHY THEN HAVE YOU BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THE CONVERSATION??????

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          I participate in the conversation since most of it hasn’t been about Norway. Why do you imbeciles on the left always want to transform this country to be like some other country? We were doing just fine as ourselves until people started to look to other countries. We were the envy of the world, and we can be again if we get back to being ourselves.

      • Smilee

        George

        Closed minds never solved problems, open minds look at all options, you have a very closed mind

      • JeffH

        Smilee, you talk about having an open mind…bet you think your mind is open, and I’d bet it is. Open to the point of lokking in one of your ears and seeing out the other.

        Who are you trying to convince with all of your blathering? Most of us have had your number for a long, long time…ah yes, the open minded liberal…so he/she thinks.

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Don’t you know that all liberals are open minded? They have a hole in their head where the brains are supposed to be.

      • JeffH

        George, and if you don’t see it their(liberal)way, it because you’re not “intelligent”.

  • Fedup

    Fine, Deerinwater – start working on it for next election – but if we don’t defeat obama this time, there won’t be anything left in four years!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      and what would be left after 4 years of Romney? much like he vulture capitalized on shaky businesses he sees an opportunity to do it on a much grander scale.

      Gordon Gecko has nothing on Mitt Romney

      Small wonder the RNC was panicking to hurry and nominate him….with this kind of dirt how can he ever win a general election?

      Rolling Stone Magazine just uncovered a huge turd in Romney’s Bain success fantasy punch bowl…..Bain was actually bailed out with FDIC for $10,000,000….so much for successful businessman fantasy

      Here’s an excerpt but read more….no wonder the elite bankers want this sleaze elected.
      What’s more, the bonus loophole gave Romney a perverse form of leverage: If the banks and the FDIC didn’t give in to his demands and forgive much of Bain’s debts, Romney would raid the firm’s coffers, pushing it into the very bankruptcy that the loan agreement had been intended to avert. The losers in this game would not only be Bain’s creditors – including the federal government – but the firm’s nearly 1,000 employees worldwide.

      Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829#ixzz253tJUcVR

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        MANY MORE EXAMPLES OF COMPANIES RUINED BY BAIN
        Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829#ixzz2551vxqmG
        We do have other choices….2 good ones that I can think of are Gary Johnson and the Constitution party. Why are people so beat down to think we HAVE to vote for either republicans or democrats…nobody is holding a gun on us making us chose one or the other. It is exactly that kind of mindset that gives them power to do the bad things they have been doing.

        Most of us who are not wall street insiders don’t really understand what kind of evil Romney was up to but I’ve been reading to try to understand just exactly what vulture capitalism is. This one spells it out pretty well and this is exactly why Romney wants the presidency….what he did to these companies he can now do to the whole country—
        so I’m not seeing the lesser of 2 evils – even a greater evil because he has no qualms about sucking it dry.

        http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829?page=3

        Since I am in the printing business I remember American Pad and Paper going under….I just had no idea Romney was the cause. That article shows many examples of how they bankrupted these companies and got rich doing it. Here is what Bain does:

        Take a typical Bain transaction involving an Indiana-based company called American Pad and Paper. Bain bought Ampad in 1992 for just $5 million, financing the rest of the deal with borrowed cash. Within three years, Ampad was paying $60 million in annual debt payments, plus an additional $7 million in management fees. A year later, Bain led Ampad to go public, cashed out about $50 million in stock for itself and its investors, charged the firm $2 million for arranging the IPO and pocketed another $5 million in “management” fees. Ampad wound up going bankrupt, and hundreds of workers lost their jobs, but Bain and Romney weren’t crying: They’d made more than $100 million on a $5 million investment.

        • gfsomsel

          Hey, dingbat, Bain didn’t ruin any company. They attempted to save them. You apparently demand 100% success. Only idiots do that.

      • GALT

        When you hear people at this level……..upper corporate……..citing success, and the less than intelligent citizenry falling for it………and defending it……..the TRUTH is……what has taken place is fraud, manipulation, corruption and theft……..hell, just the term “consultant”
        says WARNING……..somehow I can’t see this actually producing any results in D.C……..

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Thanks for posting that link, Rhonda. Interesting article!

      • Winddrinker

        Rhonda you haven’t a clue how the business world works..it is not to provide social welfare.

        Your kind of people are the same ones that think healthcare givers have no business making a profit! Right!! Everyone should go through years of school, incur hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, then go into a career where they are considered “bad people” if they expect a paycheck! There is NO such utopia! Like all libs,they think everyone else should work and risk their money without any expectation of financial reward…Libs don’t live in reality…

      • Mimi

        If Rollingstone is your best source, Rhonda, consider the source. It is a rabid socialist, communist outlet. Disgusting in the extreme and just as crooked.

    • Penny R. Freeman

      Right attitude. And all you Ron Paul backers have got to realize this isn’t 1776 anymore, and this nation has been lulled to sleep for decades by pandering politicians and propaganda spewing liberal media. If you still think Paul and libertarian ideas stand a chance, at least in America with the”me centered” attitude, you might as well give it up. I like Paul and agree with him on a lot of issues. And there have been rumors of a third party because so many people from both parties are disgusted with the “establishment.” But the prority at the moment is to get rid of the communist and his communist/Marxist/socialist pals who are funded by George Soros, you remember the crumb who wants to take control of the entire world. I have more than one Repub friend and they have known since before the 2008 election that I, like the rest of the Tea Party, are not in line with their D.C. as always attitude. In order to make a real change it’s time for you pouting Paul backers to stop begrudging the fact that he isn’t the nominee and start working with the rest of us who are pushing to change D.C. And for your info Chip, Paul did get votes by the delegates he just didn’t get enough. But everybody knew that would be the case because of the primaries. No I’m not totally won over by Romney, but at this time if he were on the ballot I’d vote for my dog over Oduma. At least my dog does listen and he does know his pay, (a nice safe home, plenty of food and water, and two idiots to love him) depends on how well he listens and how he responds to our orders. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could convince politicians of all breeds that their safe careers rest on the same respectful attitude toward their supporters?

      • SJJolly

        The “propaganda spewing liberal media” is but a faint shadow of the propaganda directed and funded by the Koch brothers and associated hard-right oligarchs. A collection of oligarchs who regard George Soros on the other side with fear, even though they greatly out number and out spend him.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        You’re STILL being “lulled to sleep”! You haven’t woken up yet! If you STILL don’t recognize that the candidates from BOTH parties are the SAME THING!!! As we’ve been sleeping, THEY’VE infiltrated BOTH parties! We vote for one party or the other, but it makes NO difference, everything continues JUST as they want it to! All this talk of “waking up” means NOTHING if you’re not willing to SEE that which is right before you!!! The entire political system has become a show to make you THINK you have a choice!!! Just look at the FACTS! Look at what BOTH parties have DONE! NOT what what they SAY, but what they have DONE!!! BOTH parties have driven us into debt we can NEVER pay off. They take turns taking and assigning blame but BOTH parties are responsible!!! BOTH parties passed the patriot act and the ndaa! BOTH parties are doing the SAME THING, but you’re being distracted by what they SAY!!! Very few people have actually woken up! The people running this country aren’t stupid! They didn’t get here by accident! It was by design! If the truth is just too hard for you to face, we have lost! If we’re unwilling to take back our country, we have lost! Right from day 1, NOBODY wanted romney but THAT’S the candidate they gave us! The party decided on romney before the race even began and they’ve pulled all kinds of tricks to MAKE you accept him! If you don’t WAKE UP, there will be NOTHING left of this great nation! Voting for romney will be doing the VERY SAME thing we’ve been doing for years and it will only get us MORE OF THE SAME!!! As disturbing as it is to face the truth, we MUST!!! We MUST CHANGE what we are doing if we expect things to change! obumass is a figurehead! Trading him for another won’t help us! people were waking up to bush and and the outrageous things he was doing, so they gave us obumass to say see, bush wasn’t that outrageous. Now wouldn’t you love to have the republicans back? They’re ALL figureheads for those who make the agenda! They’re manipulating our minds! They have NO intention of saving us! Nothing changes, it all goes forward! We need to recognize the truth and GET THESE PEOPLE OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT!!! The enemy is defeating us from within!!!

      • MissouriSandy

        Ron Paul didn’t get enough delegates because the globalist controlled media wouldn’t speak his name and the corrupt, GOP worked feverishly to taint the caucus process. I was at the Jefferson County, Missouri caucus and it was a total sham corrupted by the rude and obnoxious Republican Central Committee who had obvious disdain for Ron Paul supporters. The role was actually stolen by committee members and removed from the building. I was in a state of disbelief that these people could operate in such a blatant, corrupt manner.
        I have always voted Republican in past years and am ashamed to say I held my nose and voted for McCain in ’08. Never again. Romney and Obama, Republican or Democrat all the same corrupt, self serving pieces of #*!* owned and operated by the global elite. I am sick and tired of people not looking at the voting records of the politicians that they vote for and then trying to tell me that if I don’t vote one way that I am throwing my vote away.
        Hey Republicans, you screwed your own party over by refusing to recognize the one person who was ethical and moral, with the brain and heart for doing the right thing. You can’t BUY Ron Paul. The status quo Republicans are afraid of Ron Paul because he is steadfast in his ethics and he would have gone full steam ahead to begin cleaning out the mess in Washington DC.
        Obama will win. Not because you or I want him to win, but because Romney is not the counter to Obama. Romney IS Obama, but too many of you are too foolish to see it. His voting record is out there folks. Take some time away from your FOX so-called news and your American Idol and research the facts. We are in a sorry mess and voting for Romney is not going to get us out of it. So whether you like it or not doesn’t matter one iota to me. I am writing Ron Paul in on my ballot. For me there is NO other choice and hey, it’s still MY choice. Four more years of Rombama and we may not even have that choice any more. But wait a minute, I guess it already isn’t my choice. Now that I think about it the Republicans rigged the delegate process so that they can always just pick for us who they want to print on the ballot. Hence, I will just write my guy in. RON PAUL!!!

    • Kathy

      You’re EXACTLY right, Fedup!!! Last thing we need is another Ross Perot election which gave us the Clintons. 4 more years of Oblamer would be more of a disaster than we can imagine.

    • slapjack

      You can bet Grannies cookies we won’t have anything left. We will all be in the Gulag while the Chinaman whips us for being so dumb. No more Odumbo.

    • DaveH

      Fedup says — “but if we don’t defeat obama this time, there won’t be anything left in four years!”.
      Melodrama. I’ve been hearing it for 42 years now (since I became of voting age) from both sides. And the Government just keeps Growing and Growing and Growing.
      In 4 years it will no doubt be the same as always, no matter who wins this time. The truth is that both Parties are infested with Progressives who promote themselves and their Crony Capitalists at the expense of the rest of us. Read this Free book to see just how pervasive the Cancer is:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Wall%20Street,%20Banks,%20and%20American%20Foreign%20Policy.pdf

      • DaveH

        Folks, you will grow old (as I have) hearing the same old nonsense that you must cast aside Principles to stop the “other guy”, unless you learn to recognize what it is — Propaganda intended to insure that you keep wasting your votes, year after year, on the Establishment-selected candidates.
        Break the mold. Support a Party that truly understands the concepts of Freedom and the Prosperity and Peace that comes with that Freedom:
        http://www.lp.org/platform

        For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and the PEACE that those bring — Vote Libertarian.

      • Average Joe

        Why I am leaving the GOP and voting Libertaian/ Independent from this point on:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaXqoC4DjE&feature=em-uploademail

        The GOP has scripted thier own demise.

        The GOP can color me…. Gone!

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • SJJolly

        You’ve confused Progressives with laissez faire capitalists. Progressives want to make things better for people. Laissez faire capitalists want to be able to make money with no restrictions or interferrence by government. Crony capitalists are far more in tune with laissez faire capitalism than with Progressivitism.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Thanks Average Joe, for posting that link. It was very enlightening! I highly recommend that everyone watch this video! The people at the helm of the republican party have shown absolute disregard for its voters! I too, am DONE with the republican party! I’m changing to independent status! We need to send them a message that if they think they can FORCE us to do their will, THEY ARE WRONG!!! This is outright cheating and I will NOT stand by and support them!!!

      • DaveH

        SJJolly says — “You’ve confused Progressives with laissez faire capitalists. Progressives want to make things better for people. Laissez faire capitalists want to be able to make money with no restrictions or interferrence by government. Crony capitalists are far more in tune with laissez faire capitalism than with Progressivitism”.

        It is you, Jolly, who is confused. Government supports its Crony Capitalists at the expense of everybody else. Those “restrictions” are simply hurdles put up to hobble the Market Capitalists so the Crony Capitalists can survive without pleasing the consumers and at the expense of both the taxpayers and the consumers.
        No company in a Free Market could make a consumer buy anything they did not want to buy. Big Government thwarts consumers choices by reducing the competition with burdensome regulations and other devices meant to protect their Crony Capitalists. The less competition there is, the fewer products that consumers have to choose from, thus the higher their prices will be. And then, add on top of that the bureaucrats’ salaries that the rest of us must pay. So they Force us to pay for people who limit our choices, and you think that’s a good thing, Jolly? Pardon me while I laugh uncontrollably.

      • Mimi

        Melodrama you say? Just vote for Obama, you’ll get all the melodrama you can take. Are you better off 4 years later? If you are, which I seriously doubt, then you must be working for the government. No one could be worse than Obama, no one.

      • DaveH

        Mimi says — “then you must be working for the government”.
        To the contrary, Mimi, it is you who must be working for the Government, because it is you who advocates electing the same Establishment Republicans who have been taking our country down the road of Mercantilism and Progressivism since the late 19th century.
        There will always be a “lesser of two evils” served to you by the Cronies. The real test of mettle will be when you quit falling for their scam.

      • DaveH

        “None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free”

    • Firefly

      If Romney is elected things are going to be bad but if Obama is re-elected they will be bad for AT LEAST 20 YEARS. Copy this and save this if Obama is elected so you will remember that at least someone knew. Sadly most are still in denial. Our debt situation is beyond repair. We can print money and borrow it until it is worth a whole lot less – that’s what inflation is – and until the whole system crashes and a new world wide planetary money system is set up, but Bush and Obama have spent to much money that we don’t have. The numbers don’t lie. Gas should already be $5 a gallon but it will be higher, much higher and so will everything else. $16 TRILLION DOLLARS can never be repaid!

      Why do people think that nearly 10 million people have left the USA since the Progressives took over? Our ship of state is sinking in an ocean of red ink and some are in such denial they don’t even see a leak. If the senate is not replaced nothing much will change. Will it take an asteroid hitting the earth or a giant earthquake to wake people up. No political party can stop the inflation that is coming but the next four years will either be the end of out nation or our ship will be patched up and kept afloat a while longer.

      If we do survive and the Republicans don’t stop the bleeding then a new political party may well arise by 2016.

  • Fedup

    and by the way, Chip, Rubio and Romney both gave excellent speeches!

    • Vigilant

      BOTH Romneys.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        speeches afterall don’t mean a thing….Dubya ran on no nation building and small govt.

        I’m voting my CONSCIENCE…and that’s NOT Romney or Obama

        YOU CAN’T GO WRONG BY VOTING YOUR CONSCIENCE….VOTING AGAINST SOMEONE IS FUTILE IF YOU DON’T REPLACE THEM WITH SOMETHING GOOD AND TRUE

        John Quincy Adams, Conscience quotes:
        Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.
        more John Quincy Adams quotes

        Bruce Ackerman, Conscience quotes:
        There is simply no escaping the fact that the fate of the Constitution is in our hands — as voters, representatives, justices. If we allow ourselves to abuse the tradition of higher lawmaking, the very idea that the Constitution can be viewed as the culminating expression of a mobilized citizenry will disintegrate. After all, the American Republic is no more eternal than the Roman — and it will come to an end when American citizens betray their Constitution’s fundamental ideals and aspirations so thoroughly that existing institutions merely parody the public meanings they formerly conveyed

      • gfsomsel

        This is misdirecte to “Vigilant” when it should be to Rachel Riehel who said “speeches afterall don’t mean a thing.”

        Ain’t it the truth? We’ve had many speeches the last four years as stated in “Macbeth” (about life rather than speeches) “signifying nothing.”

    • Mimi

      I agree, I’m fed up too! No one could be worse than Obama, and all of the governors and Ryan and Romney gave excellent speeches.

  • Dwight Mann

    The GOP has signed its death warrant. The grassroots is rising up and will quell the Romney induced illness.
    The GOP just gave the election to Øbama. I for one can stand for this kind of political treason. Boehnor is a drunk.
    Time to make a clean sweep of all the entitled ones in DC.
    Romney is OK, but we really should have had an open and honest convention.
    The GOP did America a great disservice and I can not vote GOP this election, just because the whole thing is scripted.
    See the smoking gun video from oath keepers below. . .

    http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/08/30/the-smoking-teleprompter-video-of-rnc-teleprompter-showing-results-of-scripted-voting-before-voting-finished/

    • DavidL

      If you believe the Republican platform is an irrelevant document divorced from the reality of how current Republicans will govern, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

      I WANT THE OLD REPUBLICAN PARTY BACK, NOT THIS BAT-CRAP-CRAZY CROWD OF EXTREMISTS.

      If you think a woman should be forced by the government to have the baby of a rapist or relative, vote Republican.

      If you think the rapist should have child visitation rights, vote Republican.

      If you think women should be a pre-existing condition and denied medical insurance, vote Republican.

      If you think, in the name of small government, a woman’s body and reproductive organs should be turned over to the control of the government, vote Republican.

      If you think children should be denied insurance coverage because of a pre-existing condition, vote Republican.

      If you think, because of inadequate or no insurance, it is okay for the over 900,000 Americans to go bankrupt each year because of medical bills, vote Republican.
      If you think it is okay that 120 Americans die every day ( 45,000 every year) due to a lack of health insurance, vote Republican.

      If you think it is okay to discriminate against women by paying them less for doing the same job as a man, vote Republican.

      If you think all adults should be denied insurance coverage because of a pre-existing condition or annual or lifetime caps, vote Republican.

      If you think the income tax rate of the wealthy should be reduced to 1% while selling out the middle class to pay for it, vote Republican.

      If you think the tax rate on capital gains should be zero and thereby relieve the wealthy from having to pay any taxes, vote Republican.

      If you think it is okay that the middle class be sold off to pay for more tax breaks of the wealthy, vote Republican.

      If you think it is okay to raise hypocrisy and incompetence to an art form by spending like a drunken sailor while in office claiming “deficits don’t matter”, and yell and scream about deficits when out of office, vote Republican

      If you think personhood begins at conception and thereby making illegal all abortion, contraception, and in Vitro fertilization, vote Republican.

      If you think the Medicare guarantee should be replaced with an UN-guaranteed dollar amount voucher with seniors picking up all future premium increases and costs, vote Republican.

      If you think it is okay to hide your tax returns instead of being open and honest with the American people, vote Republican.

      If you think it is okay to be on all sides of all issues and end up standing for nothing except self-promotion and greed, vote for Romney.

      If you think it is okay to repeatedly lie in your political campaign for office, vote Republican.

      If you think it is okay to pass voter ID laws specifically targeting minority and poor voters for disenfranchisement to win elections you may otherwise lose, vote Republican.

      If you think it is okay to create second-class citizenship by actively discriminating, in civilian and military life, against people because of their sexual orientation, vote Republican.

      If you think it is funny and okay to parade around at political rallies carrying placards with the monkey curious George on them when the President you are protesting is a black man, vote for Republican.

      If you think we can no longer afford the American dream, vote Republican.

      If you think it is okay for the current Republican Party, who supports and believes in everything listed above and has most of IT IN ITS PLATFORM, to have control and influence in our Federal, State, and local governments, vote Republican.

      • cawmun cents

        If you think it is OK to call healthcare reform a”right”,and then tax people for their”rights”
        vote for Obama….but then clearly we will know where your head is.
        -CC.

      • http://Yahoo.com Bill Jacobs

        Thank You, Barak! I’m sure that our faux conservatives will take your assinine drivel to heart!!!!!!!!

      • Ken Bristow

        What is the matter with you idiots, you have two choices, the end of our great America or a chance to see if we can get back some relity for our children and grandchildren. Personally, I would rather take the chance than another four years that will lead us to outright socialism. One thing for sure we will not have an “empty chair” ! You haven’t lived under socialism, I have and you dont want it. Did you see the stat this morning/ the colloective unemplyment in Europe is 13.3%, is that what you want. for God’s sake quit moaning and et behind Romney and Ryan,

      • DaveH

        There goes DavidL again, repeating his same old nonsense which I already addressed here (scroll down to my comments to DavidL):
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/29/faking-the-news/#comment-689806

      • Johnnie

        The voter ID thing is lame. The Dems are only against it because they want to use fraud to win the election. You have to have ID to do everything else. These “poor” you talk about have to show ID to get their welfare checks and food stamps. Give us a break and quit repeating the same tired old rhetoric. And as for women being paid the same as men, I hear your guy Obama is guilty of doing that himself.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      You are right as rain….the corruption demonstrated was depressing and Romney is a LIAR
      http://www.conservativevideos.com/2012/08/reality-check-fox-news-catches-mitt-romney-in-a-lie/

      You really want this lying weasel? He doesn’t know anything about it???? INCREDIBLE the big balls this idiot has.

      Really? We should vote for you when you stack the deck and deny us representation?

      The RNC —on Romney’s campaign urging —-threw out THE WHOLE STATE OF MAINE nullifying their delegates….do you understand the implications of this? Can you give me ONE GOOD REASON why this should be happening?

      If you think this is right then you must think communism is great.

  • trashman

    Short and sweet – make it a November to remember and take out the trash!

  • Corkey

    Read Lew Rockwell this morning for an accurate assessment of the speeches and the entire convention. Romney will lose and I am convinced that it is by design. It doesn’t matter anyway, both will follow the basic policy of bankruptcy of the USA.

    • http://northwoodsmomblog.blogspot.com Tanya Thorne

      I agree with this completely. Thanks for the suggestion–going to read Lew Rockwell now.

    • DaveH

      The Triumph of the Reich-Publican Party:
      http://lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w277.html

      • John W. Howard

        Great link.

        I read the artical seems I don’t feel so alone anymore. Trying to get Osama (Obama sorry) voted out of oriface. I got my DemoCRIPS friends to look at Dr. Paul and they would have voted for him had he been elected, but you know those peskey ReBLOODlicans never listen to the peoples will. Shutting out the grassroots like they (the ReBLOODlicans) did only pushed me to the Libertarian Party. I personally can’t vote for a man who signed a bill that banned semi-auto firearms or gave a state Romneycare/Osamacare; (sorry the keyboard refuses to put the “b” in Osama in exchange for a “s” as both are a son of Islam) instead of adhearing to his oath of office and following the Constitution.

        A good book you might want to read by Jesse Ventura “DemoCRIPS and ReBLOODlicans” might explain part of what is going on in politricks today.

        J.W.Howard

        Seal team 6 I found another Osama been Biden at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

        • Kathy

          Ron Paul has some very good ideas. He won very few primaries, so he has very few delegates. He’s not exactly a mandate. I wanted Newt Gingrich, flaws and all and also liked Herman Cain. I’ll vote for Romney. A no vote or a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Obama. We don’t want another Ross Perot situation. He just had to put his oar in the water and caused Bush senior to lose. So we got Clinton and Gore (ugh).

      • John W. Howard

        Dear Kathy

        I did vote for Ross Perot and was betraied there too. This is the first time I didn’t vote for a ReBLOODlican. I couldn’t vote the second time for Bush 1 for his politricking view on guns (1989 gun ban also his following Rex 84 and his verbage of “New World Order” speech). Yes we got 8 years of bubba. I go by a simple principle now never vote for the lessor of two evils, because all you get is Evil.

        Yes Osama is Evil but so is Romney.

        J.W.Howard

        Seal team 6 I found another Osama been Biden at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

      • DaveH

        Kathy says — “Ron Paul has some very good ideas. He won very few primaries, so he has very few delegates. He’s not exactly a mandate”.
        Those people, who actually listened to the various candidates speak, thought so:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#Candidate_Totals

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      I agree with you, Corkey! Choice has become an illusion!!!

  • G. Smith

    Well! now that the Ron Paul supporters have been thoroughly bitch slapped do you think they will rush right out and enthusiastically support mittens ? …. Do you think that the addition of a so easily fact checked paul ryan will appease them. They are kind of smart and understand he was added as a big time pander. paul ryan is every bit a big government wall street puppet stooge as romney so brace yourselves.

    • Smilee

      paul ryan is a very big government man but his big government shifts the Country’s wealth from the low and middle class to the rich and his history is one of borrow and spend to do it and that is far worse than tax spend because of the needless debts that it caused. Borrowing for a valid reason is sometimes needed but to able to shift the wealth to the rich as a result is sinful.That speech of his contained more lies told in 30 minutes than any other 30 minutes of my 70 plus years.

      • DaveH

        Could you be specific, Smilee? Which lies?

      • Smilee

        Take your pick it was all lies

      • DaveH

        What else can we expect from you, Smilee?

      • Smilee

        It was all totally true to but to trying to convince one such as your self is a waste of time

      • DaveH

        Still no specifics.
        Do you really think you have any credibility here, Smilee?

  • jopa

    The speeches that all the governors were giving one would have to assume the economy is booming again under President Obama.They said very little about the Mutt and sounded more as though they were campaigning for themselves and telling everyone how great they were.Paul Ryan comes out telling lie after lie but that was considered okay by the party because most Americans are stupid and don’t fact check.As far as Ron Paul goes they blew him out of the water with their crooked voting and lies way back in Iowa.He could very well have been the one on the stage last night.

    • Vigilant

      Republican governors preside over states where the unemployment rates are lower than the national average. Conclude what you will from that.

      Yes, jopa, we all know how supportive you are of Ron Paul. He would be the worse nightmare of communists like yourself.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Romney care is socialism, dummy

      • Smilee

        The national unemployment rate is the average of the 50 states, you forgot to mention the states whom have higher rates and that distorts reality.

      • DaveH

        Unemployment by State:
        http://www.bls.gov/lau/

      • DaveH

        I think a more revealing “rate” would be the Employment Rate, but all I could find is the number of employed in the various states:
        http://www.bls.gov/sae/eetables/tabled1.pdf

        So, you’d have to divide the tabled figures by the State populations to get the rates.

    • S.C.Murf

      jopa? You only see and hear what you want, just about right for a liberal. Iowa threw almost all of its delegates behind Ron Paul. Time for you to make that popping sound and it WILL clear up your vision and hearing.

      up the hill
      airborne

      • Karolyn

        For the most part S.C. your quote “You only see and hear what you want,” applies to any of us.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Ah Karolyn! If only that were true! I’m seeing and hearing a LOT that I don’t WANT to see and hear! Sometimes I wish I could curl up in a ball and go back to sleep! Cognitive dissonance provided sweet dreams!

  • LeConte M. Davis

    31 Aug

    Good commentary on what I thought was an effective Romney showcase. He’s the “man of the hour.”

  • http://liberty Tony

    To Everyone:
    There were some excellent speeches at the RNC this past week. Chris Christie mesmerized people. Condileezza Rice gave a speech that all us GOP supporters needed to hear. J.C. Watts spoke well and Marco Rubio positioned himself to be President in 4 yrs. Too bad they had to waste their talents on that pathetic android dodo, Mitt Wrongney. Well, the best bet is 2016 for a good presidential candidate/ticket. This will be Rubio/Watts. Yes, there will be an election in 2016. Don’t believe the nonsense of D’inesh D’souza. TGIF!!

    • JeffH

      Tony, Rubio could never become president if the Constitution meant anything…but then again, neither should Obama have become POTUS. Neither one of them are natural born citizens.

      • http://liberty Tony

        Dear JeffH: Will you knock off this phony nonsense that Obama and Rubio aren’t natural born citizens for they are. Please read this to clear up these misconceptions. http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/is_barack_obama_a_us_citizen_y.html. Thanks now. TGIF!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Tony, I don’t even have to read your article to KNOW that it’s CRAP! To BE a natural born citizen, one’s parents MUST be citizens at the time of birth! obumass’s father was NEVER a citizen and rubio’s parents were NOT citizens at the time of his birth! This was to PROTECT us from people whose loyalties laid elsewhere! This whole argument is just another example of the way that they are trying to dismantle the constitution! We lose it peice by peice!

      • JeffH

        Tony, why do you call it nonsense when, according to the Constitution and according to the Supreme Court, neither one qualifies as being a “natural born citizen”.

        I’m not questioning either ones citizenship, I am correctly pointing out that neither one is a “natural born” citizen as required by the Constitution to hold the office of POTUS, VP and Commander in Chief.

        1. Rubio is a 14th Amendement citizen…neither of his parents were US citizens when he was born
        2. Obama’s father was a British subject and never was a US citizen. He is a citizen by “statute”, Born to at least 1 US Citizen Parent.

        Persons, eligible for the presidency, have no first generation ties to a foreign nation, whereas ineligible persons always do.

        ALL statutory citizens are born with a tie to another nation by birthplace and/or blood, but NEVER is that the case with any natural born citizens who are only American.

        A statutory citizen (bestowed by man’s pen) can never be a “natural born” citizen (bestowed by God/nature).

        I’ll direct you to Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875).

        In that case, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in that year, wrote the majority opinion, in which he stated:

        The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. “Resort must be had elsewhere” to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of “parents”(plural=both parents) who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were “natives or natural-born” citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.

        The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

        Hence every U.S. Citizen must accept this definition or categorical designation, and fulfil his constitutional duties accordingly. No member of Congress, no judge of the Federal Judiciary, no elected or appointed official in Federal or State government has the right to use any other definition; and if he does, he is acting unlawfully, because unconstitutionally.

        If the Constitution is the “Supreme Law” of the US why then do our courts and legislators not recognize it as such?
        http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/news.php?q=1308252582

      • JeffH

        Tony, you might want to educte yourself a little further with this.
        http://theobamafile.com/obamanaturalborn.htm

        Don’t misunderstand me, I like Rubio, but I like our Constitution better and refuse to usurp it’s meaning to satify a personal like or dislike.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To JeffH,Nancy in the Corh Husker state, and the rest of you kiddies:
        It’s time for you to read a homework assignment so you don’t keep believing along saying the same foolish slogans over and over again. Alright behold-fredthompsonamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/. Now please read, reading is fundamental you’ll know. Thank you and TGIF!!

      • JeffH

        Tony(no baloney?), try as you may, you just can’t accept facts. Thompson merely stated his opinion and obviously didn’t research the issue beyond what satisfied him, as you have. Your personal arguement has been refuted by actual “Supreme Court” settled cases. No lower court ruling is above that of the Supreme Court.

        Thomson incorrectly made reference to English “Common Law”. The British doctrine allowed for double allegiances, something the founders considered improper and dangerous. The American naturalization process required all males to twice renounce all allegiances with other governments and pledge their allegiance to this one before finally becoming a citizen.

        In regards to questions about the citizenship of the mother: Mothers citizenship rarely ever influenced the citizenship of their children except in certain situations such as the father dying before the child was born or when the identity of the father was unknown.

        I refer you back to the link supplied by Mr. Livingston and the link supplied by me. The facts are the facts…whether you choose to keep your head buried in the sand and ignore theem is your choice…”Ignorance is bliss” I guess.
        http://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined/

      • Smilee

        JeffH says:
        August 31, 2012 at 12:09 pm

        In the context the opinion uses and is used in many legal terms parents in this usage means either parent not necessarily both as you want us to believe. Legal terms sometimes mean different than normal usage. It has to say” both” parents if it means to include both, parents in this case means either, only one has to be a citizen.

        • gfsomsel

          Smilee, would you please learn to write a coherent sentence. Much of what you write is grammatical nonsense. Perhaps proofreading what you write before posting will help.

      • Smilee

        gfsomsel says:
        September 1, 2012 at 10:38 am

        What did you not understand dummy!!

      • JeffH

        Smilee, not even close. Legal schmeegal! If that were the case, as you would attempt to make believe, then why wasn’t “parent”, mother or father used. I’m quite sure they were a lot sharper than you and based on the historical documentation and the Supreme Court definitions the term “parents” means mother & father.
        Biological parents consist of the male who sired the child and the female who gave birth to the child. In all human societies, the biological mother and father are both responsible for raising their young.

      • Smilee

        Rather than relying on your simplistic thinking ask an attorney and you will find out I am right!!!

      • JeffH

        Smilee, rather than be ignorant, why don’t you read the the “settled” Supreme Court cases that have defined “natural born” and made reference to the Framers reasons for inserting “natural born” in Article II.
        Who gives a damm what you or any attorney believes “persons”(plural)means anyway.

      • Smilee

        JeffH says:
        September 1, 2012 at 4:42 pm

        Silly you we were discussing the settled opinion that you presented here the problem is you are not capable of understand its meaning and thus changed its meaning. Check with an attorney rather than applying your simplistic mindset to it.

      • JeffH

        Game over ya moron!

  • Karolyn

    Rommney’s speech was very well done, and he covered everything his supporters wanted to hear. The problem is it’s the usual empty promises that will never come to fruition. I had to swtich channels several times because I couldn’t stand to hear some of it, especially when he talked about Iran and Israel. Felt like vomiting. Ann’s speech was great, and she probably did garner votes for her husband. Christie likes hearing himself talk, especially about himself. Rubio looks like a cute college kid. Ryan is a joke.

    • Sirian

      Will you have the same comments after the DNC convention Karolyn? Doubtful, very doubtful.

      • Karolyn

        We’ll see. Probably more of the same, although not as scary What I’m more interested in is the demonstrations, which I will see a lot of on TV since I live in the Charlotte metro area.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        we can reject the RINOs and not be for the dems

        if you value the constitution you can’t vote for either

      • Kathy

        If North Carolina has a hurricane, the Democrats can be chided for celebrating during a crisis. I’m sure when the Republicans scheduled their convention 4 years ago, they also scheduled hurricane Isaac!!

        Has anyone noticed that in recent pictures of Oblamer, he always looks very angry? He has also aged quite a bit.

      • Karolyn

        Kathy – If you look at pix of any presidents, you will see a lot of grey hair after 4 years and substantil aging after 8. I’m surprised they don’t end up in a rubber room!

        • Kathy

          LBJ aged the most. He was older. Oblamer just turned 50 and his aging just seems accelerated. What you see now, is more like you’d expect after 8 years, not 4. Hopefully we won’t need to make the 8 year comparison. He also looks angry and hysterical. The lamestream media must have done PhotoShop on his nose, though. It should be much longer.

      • Pathfinder

        I can not wait to hear Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and Maybe Ms Pelosi can give us more on the, “We will sees whats in the bill after we pass it “. I look to Harry Reid to update us on his persimmon trees now that he has had a chance to visit them. Then there are folks like Maxine Waters, the ” Honorable” Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, B.Boxer, B. Feinstein, Dick “Jack Boot” Durbin, then there is comedian …Joe Bide
        and maybe, ie we are lucky, a cameo appearance by Henry Waxman, all this is then topped off by the great deceiver, BOB.
        What a line up.,, kinda reads like a bunch of old time political hacks dosen’t it?

      • Palin16

        “The word is out” (paraphrasing Harry Reid)….the unions are might pissed that the DNC convention will take place in No. Carolina, a right-to-work state, in a stadium built by non-union labor….and in a state which recently voted against homosexual marriage.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn, too bad, so sad on the gray hair and wrinkles of O. These come with the aging process.
        People on this site have pointed out that no man should become president if he is naive about what pitfalls and perks the job entails.

      • Palin16

        Kathy,
        According to “Dreams from my Real Father”, Obama had a rhinoplasty (nose job) prior to the 2008 election. They show before and after photos.

      • Smilee

        Pathfinder says:
        August 31, 2012 at 9:50 am

        You should not put quotation marks around anything other that the exact quote and when you do you create spin and distortion of the quote which you did here. The actual qupte was

        “But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy”

        She was saying people will find out what it is when they use it for themselves free of all the false rhetoric that was being said then and still is as the GOP convention made very clear in how the describe it that they do not want you to know the Truth about it even now.

      • DaveH

        Thanks, Smilee, for the typical Progressive spin.
        These are the people, Folks, who want to run your life.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 2, 2012 at 11:06 am

        Spin davey?????? That is exactly word for word that she said, it really kills you to acknowledge the truth when it is in conflict with biases

    • S.C.Murf

      Then you K are a waste of time and space

      up the hill
      airborne

    • http://liberty Tony

      To Karolyn: It was people like Chris Christie, Condileeza Rice, J.C.Watts, with Marco Rubio ,who made this convention worth something. Mitt the “Twit” reminded and sounded like Data from Star Trek N.G. The only difference ,though, Data has more personality with character. That Android, Mitt the “Twit” threw everything for a loop. Oh well, as stated in an earlier post, wait till 2016. Rubio/Watts will take the W.H. by storm. TGIF!!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Karolyn, I couldn’t stand to watch ANY of it! What’s the point of watching a bunch of people LIE to you?!? IT’S ALL LIES!!! BOTH PARTIES!!! They think if they put on a good show, you’ll vote for their candidate! I’m not interested in SHOW! I’ll not be swayed by their SHOW!!!

  • LeConte M. Davis

    31 Aug

    Good commentary on what was an effective Romney showcase: he’s the “man of the hour.”

  • Karolyn

    Gee! What happened to all the violence from demonstrators some here had predicted? Actually, I didn’t see any news of protests. Guess if they don’t get violent, they don’t get coverage.

    • Sirian

      No Karolyn, there weren’t that many that showed up to begin with. Oh yes, their excuse? The weather was to threatening. :)

      • Pathfinder

        You obviously missed last nights telecast. FYI… The house was PACKED.
        Further , conservatives seem to lack that “emotional physical drive” that left wingers (i.e. the OWS group) seems to have. When OWS and their cronies gather they leave a very large foot print, but I suspect you haven’t seen that either.

      • Sirian

        Pathfinder,
        No, I didn’t miss last nights telecast. C-Span, Fox & The Blaze did a very good job of showing how “packed” the house was.
        Now then, backtrack and re-read my response comments to Karolyn’s statement.
        BTW, do you have an answer as to why the COWS massive demonstrations and intended conflict never developed?

      • Freedom from gov’t

        You see what they want you to see!
        You hear what they want you to hear!
        You choose how they want you to choose!

        Maybe the OWS is going to show themselves at the DNC. Since as many of you think, they are Oblamers followers. After all he did stab them in the back too!!

  • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

    Just throw your hands in the air and give up is the theme in most cases. Look at it in a positive way, Use the next 4 yrs as a breather and get all out to change all the evil bastards you have a chance to vote out of DC. use opertunity

  • NOMOBAMMA

    Reading the blogs from the dyed in the wool, die hard Libs, I feel a little frustrated. After four years of a failed presidency, that has bankrupted this country, and forced millions onto the govt dole, there are still people who think this fool is the greatest thing since sliced bread. His is provably the very worst administration in America’s 236 year history. The only HOPE, and CHANGE we have, is to kick him, and his whole Chicago machine out of the people’s house come Jan.1st 2013, and just like Jimma Cahtah, forget he ever existed. Don’t vote for him just because he’s a Dem. Vote against him because if you don’t, the next four years will make the first four look like a stroll in the park.

  • SarahR

    Four out-of-the-ball-park speaches were: Condelezza Rice, Clint Eastwood, Marco Rubio and Mitt Romney our next President of the United States. Clint was original and humorous and I enjoyed him emensly. Once Romney/Ryan are elected I will again be proud to be an American. I am ashamed of Obama. He has been a complete failure. Conservatives out number liberals two to one so get out there, conservatives, and vote. Don’t sit home and think you can pray Romney/Ryan in.

  • ethercruiser

    Sad to say, but he GOP is no longer worthy of our (true small government, Constitution-loving Conservatives) support. Anyone that paid close attention to what happened in the GOP Primaries & state conventions knows that the GOP engaged in voter fraud & broke all the rules regarding delegate selection & seating at the National Convention in Tampa. When the Maine delegation marched out chanting: “As Maine goes, so goes the nation!”… I had to agree with them. Time to leave the GOP (let it go “the way of the Whigs”) & find/start a new 3rd Party to replace it with. Admit it folks, the GOP is full of corrupt big government, Constitution-trashing “Statists”, like the Democratic Party. Both major parties have worked to give us our present out-of-control welfare/warfare/police state that is rapidly headed for a financial collapse. Romney won’t stop it, but he might slow it down a bit. Big deal! We need to turn this nation around & head it in a new direction away from where it’s headed. Romney won’t do it. He’s beholden to the same Power Elite that Obama is beholden to & who want a One World Order, One Wold Currency (after the dollar collapses) & One World Central Bank through which they can control the wealth & power in the entire Earth. Romney/Obama go along with that basic scenario of ever bigger, more powerful, more central, more Unconstitutional government for us here in the once great USA (but it was never perfect).

    • DaveH

      There is already a third party that champions the kind of Freedom that our Founders fought and died for. All that needs to be done is to study and learn why the Principles of Freedom would bring the kind of Prosperity, Individual Freedom, and Peace that would be the envy of rest of the enslaved world:
      http://www.lp.org/

      • gfsomsel

        Dave, do attempt to avoid being a total jackass. If you want to support a 3rd party, fine. You should do it, however, at the local level and build your numbers from there since you don’t have a sufficient base nationally to accomplish diddly-squat other than be a nuisance.

        This will be my last post on this article since I have more important things to do with my time other than respond to posts by those who don’t have two brain cells to rub together (though others do). I’m off to working on a 5th century Greek commentary (i.e., a commentary in Greek).

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        gfsomsel, you must be SO important to be working on a “Greek commentary ie a commentary in Greek”! WOW!! We are SO impressed! The fact that you have to PROVE that you have more than two brain cells says that you feel inadequate and must “ring” your own bell! Did you think that because you’re writing SUCH an important peice that we should all automatically agree with you?!? You’re sad and pitiful! Go try to get your attention elsewhere. We’re NOT properly impressed!

        • Kathy

          Please speak only for yourself. I’m impressed. How much Greek do you know?

          • gfsomsel

            How much? I was a Greek major in college and took more in seminary, but when I went to grad school I went into Old Testament studies.

          • Kathy

            OOOPs!! I thought my response was to Nancy. “How much Greek do you know and speak for yourself” She kept writing “WE”. Personally, I’m impressed that you know Greek and other languages. Explains why you can turn out a very nice sentence etc. Nice to read material that isn’t just txt words or sound bites.

        • gfsomsel

          OK. I’ll direct my attention elsewhere. Tomorrow I’ll be working on some Hebrew.

      • DaveH

        gfsomsel says — “Dave, do attempt to avoid being a total jackass. If you want to support a 3rd party, fine. You should do it, however, at the local level and build your numbers from there since you don’t have a sufficient base nationally to accomplish diddly-squat other than be a nuisance.
        This will be my last post on this article since I have more important things to do with my time other than respond to posts by those who don’t have two brain cells to rub together (though others do). I’m off to working on a 5th century Greek commentary (i.e., a commentary in Greek)”.

        Wow, gfsomsel’s adolescent name-calling has convinced me. I’m now ready to debate with 6th graders.
        Einstein’s definition of insanity — “Doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results”.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Kathy, knowing/speaking Greek would be pretty far down my list of important things to learn! My studies include things that involve what is going on in the world today. I have no plans to visit Greece and no interest in Greek literature. That is NOT a judgement on my intelligence. I’M not impressed when someone drops names or tries to make themselves sound important. The fact that someone chooses to learn Greek or write a Greek commentary, only indicates that they have an interest in it! NOT having an interest in Greek is indicative of NOTHING! A LOT of people speak Greek and it is not indicative of their intelligence or range of knowledge!

  • Sunny

    More and more I see cynicism, negativism and pessimism becoming the norm for conservatives. That used to be exclusively the tiresome whining noise coming out of the lib’s camp. We need to lift the palpable cloud of doom and gloom from across America and think victory, talk victory and act victoriously. It is time to join forces and ideas and talents – Ron Paul’s, Mitt Romney’s, Paul Ryan’s, Condoleezza Rice’s, etc. We have some exceptional people on the conservative side! The Republican National Convention brought the nation a moment of hope and unity and pride that we haven’t felt in a long time. Let’s not become like the left; let’s show that the American spirit is still alive and well and that we can and will build our dreams into reality TOGETHER.

  • jopa

    Some say we need a business man for a President.We haven’t had one of those since Dubya.How ‘s that working for yah.He brought this country to it’s knees with such corruption. warfare and pilfering of the treasury it will take another four years at least to really get back on our feet.Romney still comes off as a scared little mouse when he is on stage.He sounded like a real warmonger in his speech, yah the same guy that ran off to France instead of going to Nam.The guy is still a Wuss.

    • Kathy

      The Democrats have had 6 years to turn things around. Recall that the Democrats had control of the House and Senate the last 2 years of Bush’s 2nd term. Can’t argue that Bush didn’t make things bad, but Dodd and Frank’s (Democrats) caused the housing crisis. Oblamer offered hope and change and all he’s done is make it worse and to set race relations back to the Jim Crow era. I wanted Newt Gingrich, but will support Romney. Anyone, but Oblamer (whining, angry, aging and pathetic). At least Romney doesn’t hate this country.

      • gfsomsel

        Right on, Kathy ! At least someone “gets it.”

    • gfsomsel

      You do a good job of spewing the liberal line. It wasn’t “Dubya” that caused the problem. It was Barney Frank and his ilk who supported the Community Redevelopment Act. How is giving a loan to someone who can’t/won’t pay it back supposed to work? This simply sucked the money out of the economy and drove banks to develop means to recoup some of their funds (It turned out to be a Ponzi scheme). Blame the Democrats for that. When a Ponzi scheme runs its course, someone is left holding the (empty) bag.

      • Smilee

        Dubya “GWB” had veto power and if what you say is true he could have stopped it but he didn’t, he signed it giving his approval, that’s how it works. The other thing is your analysis of what happened is skewed.

        • Kathy

          The House and Senate were Democrat controlled when Franks and Dodo got us into the recession that we haven’t gotten out of yet (in spite of mr hopey changey). Bush’s Veto would have been a waste of time because it would have been overturned by the House and Senate.

        • gfsomsel

          OK. I had intended to remain out of the rest of this, but your ignorance demands response. Dubya didn’t have a chance to veto the Community Development act. I think it was signed into law under Clinton, but in any case, it was Janet Reno under Clinton who threatened the lenders that they had better approve those loans to persons who were totally unqualified. Once again, you Dumb-Old-Rats don’t know your posterior from a hole in the ground.

          Now, goodbye.

      • Smilee

        Your simply full of it, its takes a 2/3 vote to override the senate democrats never had 67 votes not even in 2009 and the house did not either so His Veto could have blocked it but he chose to sign it and that bill did not cause the recession, that is pure right wing rhetoric without basis.

      • Smilee

        Neither the house or senate had enough votes to override so he veto would have held and you are wrong this bill did not cause the recession that is simply far right BS

        • gfsomsel

          No, Smilee, it’s not “BS.” It’s the honest-to-God truth. Clinton’s AJ forced lenders through threats to make loans which no lender in his right mind would have otherwise made. Defaults on those loans caused the financial crisis. It didn’t happen immediately since such events take time to develop. Thank you, Democrats, for a recession.

          • Kathy

            I should have read further down for your reply before making my own. Yours is better and you are absolutely right. Not only were bankers threatened, but sometimes their families. As you wrote, “thank you Democrats for the Recession”.

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        Even if the idea of getting more of the population into house ownership originated in the government, surely it was the fudiciary responsibility of the BANKS giving out the loans to ensure that the lendee was able to repay the loan. The majority of the blame for the 2008-2009 financial debacle was squarely on the banks, who on many documented occasions, broke the law in giving loans, knowing that they would ultimately be the winners, repayment or not.

        • Smilee

          The law did not mandate they make loans to someone whom could not pay it back that was the banks idea under the guise they had to do it so as to not discriminate to minority’s to cover their butts from their deceits.

        • Kathy

          I can’t prove this, but had read that the banks were threatened into making the substandard loans. Threats were financial and in some cases personal body harm type threats.

      • nc

        gfsomsel, get off the Barney Frank thing and do some research on how much george bush and his Republican co-horts were into the “HOMES FOR LOW INCOME BUYERS” even before bush took office and while the Republicans controlled both Houses and the Oval Office after he took office !
        Then type in “bush praising Fannie and Freddie” and see that after almost 2 years in office bush was STILL thanking them for THEIR HELP with the low income people obtaining financing! IT’S RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE IF YOU GET OFF THE RIGHTWING KOOLAID AND GET TREATMENT FOR THE DENIAL THAT BUSH WAS IN IT UP TO HIS BUTT! SEE HIS DREAM ACT IN 2003 WHERE HE WAS STILL USING TAX Payer MONEY FOR LOW INCOME BUYERS ASSISSTANCE!

        Why do Republicans have such a hard time with the truth of their record?

        • gfsomsel

          Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank,Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank,Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank,Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank, Barney Frank

      • Smilee

        Kathy says:
        September 1, 2012 at 6:39 am

        Your right you cannot prove it as it is not true or any evidence to suggest it, lots of rhetoric to say to the contrary but all substantiated.

        • Kathy

          I did not write the comment attributed to me. Below is what I wrote.

          Kathy says:
          September 1, 2012 at 8:48 am
          “Vote for Obama once to prove you are not a racist. Don’t vote for him again to prove you’re not stupid.”

          Good try Smilee, but you are way out numbered on this blog.

      • DaveH

        Your instincts are correct, Kathy.
        It began with Federal Reserve money creation which as always resulted in malinvestment (the Boom), but was greatly exacerbated by Government meddling (as usual):
        http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_Qjl08vDbysbe6LWDxcq03J;jsessionid=3ABEB27DA9BBC299FB72D1C9D804E86E

      • DaveH

        Smilee says (to Kathy) — “Your right you cannot prove it as it is not true or any evidence to suggest it, lots of rhetoric to say to the contrary but all substantiated”.
        See my above comment, Smilee.
        As usual you are wrong. Seems to me, Smilee, that you fall under the category of — “Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt”.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        September 1, 2012 at 11:15 am

        Davie,

        You accuse me of not being right without telling me what it is I’m not right about, is it because you actually know I am right and just want to throw mud

      • DaveH

        Unlike you, Sleepee, the other people can read.

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          And just whom are you calling “Sleepee”? You say this in response to my post which leads me to think you are referencing me (and not for the first time) by this epithet. Yes, I would assume the others here can read though I have some doubt regarding the facility with which some can read.

      • DaveH

        Relax, George, I am talking to Smilee.

  • Norm

    Strikingly absent from Romney’s campaign, including the three-day convention in Tampa, were detailed explanations of how he would tame deficit spending while also cutting taxes and expanding the armed forces. He seems to be asking voters to trust his ability to create jobs and to make tough, unpopular decisions later.
    Is Mitt Romney just a pandering machine with no substance, so where’s the Beef?
    Paul Ryan’s Speech Was Filled With Economic Inaccuracies: Yahoo!’s Jeff Greenfield
    There was once a time when lying in a political speech–and getting called out on it by the media–was shameful or embarrassing.
    Not anymore

    • gfsomsel

      The problem is that it’s the media who “called out” Paul Ryan who are doing the lying. I don’t believe the liberal media.

      • Norm

        Why is everybody always picking on me?
        It’s all those conspiring bogeymen!

        • gfsomsel

          Norm, if you’re feeling “picked on”, I guess we’ll have to start calling you “Charlie Brown.”

      • Smilee

        Silly, ryan published his own details of his plans for our future so you can get it from the horse’s mouth and you then would find out the media you hate described him accurately

      • Smilee

        I do not know what the media said, fact check organizations said that of him, I listened to every word when he said them and I can not think of another 30 or so minutes in my life where I heard that many lies, beware this evil man.

        • gfsomsel

          No, I would say that you, Obama and the Dems in general are the evil ones.

          20 Ah, you who call evil good
          and good evil,
          who put darkness for light
          and light for darkness,
          who put bitter for sweet
          and sweet for bitter!
          21 Ah, you who are wise in your own eyes,
          and shrewd in your own sight!
          22 Ah, you who are heroes in drinking wine
          and valiant at mixing drink,
          23 who acquit the guilty for a bribe,
          and deprive the innocent of their rights!

          The Holy Bible: New Revised Standard Version. 1989 (Is 5:20–23). Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

    • Karolyn

      Key word here – “pandering.” HE is going to create 12 million jobs? A lot of lofty promises. All politicians do it, and the sheep smallow it, hook line and sinker.

      • gfsomsel

        Yeah? Well, he’s “been there, done that.” It’s called “experience” which is sadly lacking in the current administration. “Smallow it”? What’s that? It really wouldn’t matter if the current administration had some experience though since I’ve come to the conclusion that the current administration really doesn’t want to fix things. They’re all about their agenda, and to hell with anything that gets in the way (such as the Constitution).

      • Karolyn

        Of course it’s “swallow” it. You couldn’t figure that out? Being a wealth creator does not necessarily translate into being a nation builder.

      • gfsomsel

        Of course I understood you, but I couldn’t resist yanking your chain a bit.

      • Norm

        gfsomsel

        Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom says the 100,000 job creation figure stems from the growth in jobs from three companies that Romney helped to start or grow while at Bain Capital: Staples (a gain of 89,000 jobs), The Sports Authority (15,000 jobs), and Domino’s (7,900 jobs).
        This tally obviously does not include job losses from other companies with which Bain Capital was involved — and are based on current employment figures, not the period when Romney worked at Bain.
        Bain Capital has been responsible for thousands of layoffs at companies it bankrupted, such as American Pad & Paper, Dade International, and LIVE Entertainment, which Romney’s stat completely leaves out. He’s also taking credit for jobs created long after he left the firm to launch his political career. To sum it up, the stat Romney uses is incredibly dishonest, like much of his jobs rhetoric.
        One of Romney’s Bain business partners has said that he “never thought of what I do for a living as job creation.” “The primary goal of private equity is to create wealth for your investors,” he added. And Bain has certainly done that, maximizing earnings “by firing workers, seeking government subsidies, and flipping companies quickly for large profits.” Due to a lucrative retirement deal, Romney is still making millions from Bain, as he goes across the country calling himself “middle class” and joking about being “unemployed

      • gfsomsel

        Norm, you neglect to mention that those companies came to Bain because they were already in trouble. You can’t win them all. Bain probably bought them a little time. They might have gone out of business a year or two earlier otherwise. It has been said that all evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing. A paraphrase of that might be applicable here—”all failure needs is for good men to fail to try.” You can’t win them all.

      • Pathfinder

        Creating jobs is now pandering ????
        There are 24 Million people that need jobs and if creating jobs is you brand of pandering pandering then so be it. Given the unemployment rate under BOB is at a fairly constant rate over the last four years ( 8+%)then according to your definition, BOB isn’t “pandering” very well is he?
        Lets see “wealth creator” or “nation builder” Do we get a choice?
        To use your words. I suspect that a” wealth creator” will allow folks to maintain and further build this nation.

      • jopa

        Romney is going to hire twelve million peolple with the jobs he creates.Well the unemployed that want these jobs will need passports in order to go to China, Mexico, Pakistan and India to work those jobs.

      • Smilee

        Romney’s experience was managing crony capitalism, that’s not he experience we either want or need and will not solve our problems. Managing a business and managing a government take very different skill sets and we saw in Mass how that worked, he mostly gave into the democrats, he borrowed from the Heritage Foundation his health care bill whom is the real author of Obamacare which he used as Governor to compromise and the democrats there gave it to him what we niw all Obamacare. Its terrible this man flip flops more than any I have ever seen and one hundred times faster than Kerry ever did.

      • Palin16

        A lot of small business owners would love nothing better to hire more workers, but they are being shackled by Obamacare. The sooner we repeal it, the cloud of uncertainty will be lifted. In addition, Romney will start the Keystone pipeline project immediatley. We’ll make sure the oil stays in the US instead of China and thousands of jobs will be created.

      • Smilee

        Palin16 says:
        August 31, 2012 at 2:20 pm

        Apparently you have no personal knowledge of the Obamacare law as it will actually make it cheaper for small business and has nothing to do with why they are not hiring, that is simply lack of demand. This is nothing more than far right rhetoric and distortions as is raising tax on those with taxable income is over $250,000.00 hurting small business persons with higher taxes when only 3% of thee business persons have personal income of that amount or larger and all S corps, LLC’s and partnerships pay no taxes, the owners only pay for those dollars that is their personal income taken out of the business for personal use.

        • gfsomsel

          Smilee, if you believe that Obamacare will make things cheaper for small business, want to buy a bridge? Many, many small business owners know otherwise. Why do you suppose they aren’t hiring when they have money they’re sitting on? It’s because they know they would be hit by the Obamacare taxes and are hoping for repeal.

      • Smilee

        gfsomsel says:
        August 31, 2012 at 9:33 am

        He promised 12 million new jobs in 4 years, Reagan and Clinton hold the record and they took 8 years fot create that many in economies twice as good as the one we have now. Only a fool would believe this idiotic statement, he is pandering and big time.

        • gfsomsel

          Smilee, don’t attempt to put words in my mouth. What you quote as being from me is not something I wrote.

      • Smilee

        gfsomsel says:
        August 31, 2012 at 10:34 pm

        If you would listen to both sides and read the bill you would then be able to ascertain the truth, what you quote is the far right rhetoric and propaganda and being that is your only source you look at you can only be this badly deceived.

    • Norm

      Why is everybody always picking on me?
      I was referring to your “bad media” whining.

  • william

    Just my opinion but with the House and Senate M.I.A. ,I can’t see much hope for America.

  • mark

    If you’ll fall for Romney, you will fall for anyone. Here is a guy who during his whole political career (up until 5 years ago when he began running for the Republican presidential nomination) opposed guns and supported gays, abortion, gov’t-school aid, a whole host of social programs – and universal health care. Now he has turned 180 degrees in the opposite direction on all these issues – all in service to his own politcal opportunism. And conservatives and libertarians are actually buying this? Talk about your useful idiots!

    • gfsomsel

      Yes, that is a problem. I just have to take Mitt at his word. After all, do you really think things are likely to get worse under his administration? I know they will under Obama.

      • Norm

        I guess we have to take his word on his federal taxes as well.
        Why would you take the word of someone who has been on both sides of every issue?
        How can you trust someone with no plan – only empty nonsensical rhetoric?
        Hey I’ve got this bridge for sale that I think you’d love….

      • gfsomsel

        Norm wrote: “I guess we have to take his word on his federal taxes as well.”

        I’ll take his word on that. I haven’t heard that the IRS has been knocking on his door.

      • JeffH

        Normy is a “taxer”, not unlike a “birther”…go figger?

      • Whit

        We are in trouble with either Democrat or Republican, socialism or fascism. If We the People do not do something soon, we will not have a republic.

        Bill Clinton in new campaign ad for Oblama:

        “President Obama has a plan to rebuild America from the ground-up…”

        With all the power he has taken through Executive Order and granted through the NDAA and the Patriot Act, he is effectively a dictator-in-waiting.

        We must act soon, or we will ALL be screwed!

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        Rolling Stone magazine is primarily a music magazine but it does carry a well researched political section. During the Iraq invasion it was this magazine that exposed the corruption relating to the billions of Dollars that just went missing and the fraud of companies like Haliburton in bilking the government of funds through dishonestly claiming fees.

        I read their article on Romney and even if only part of it is true, it is certainly a damning indictment of the duplicity of the Republican Presidential hopeful. He is certainly not a person I feel is trustworthy, honest and uncorruptible and should and I hope he does not succeed in his quest.

        The Republican faithful on here continually berate the others for not even trying to hear or see their arguments, so now the shoe is on the other foot.

        • Kathy

          Rolling Stone started off as a music magazine that appealed to serious rock and rythum and blues musicians in the 60s. Eventually they had to broaden their base or go out of business. They had some pretty good articles. I don’t know why the person I know subscribied to it eventually let it lapse.

      • nc

        gfsomsel, when you blamed Barney Frank for the housing mess you obviously were not aware that bush was pushing Fannie and freddie for mortage help more than Barney! Faux noise forget to tell you that???

        Nice answer you sent back by typing Barney Frankd’s name 30+ times!! OBVIOUS MEANING: gfsomsel does not have an intelligent reply! Happens all the time when the right wingers trap them themselves because the only watch faux noise! A recent poll said faux noise watchers were the least informed people they polled! WHY IS NO ONE SURPRISED!! BYE!!

        • gfsomsel

          You obviously weren’t aware that Bush warned Congress of the precarious position of Fannie and Freddie and urged reform. The Dumb-Old-Rat reaction was, as Barney the Frankfurter put it, just fine. Maxine Waters and Barack Hussein Obama also thought the same.

        • Kathy

          Unfortunately former Senatory Chris Dodd (Barney’s pal) was Chair of the Banking Committee. He was a dim bulb and an example of why Committee chairs should be assigned on the basis of competance, not longevity.

          Off topic, Oblamer is slamming Romney for having ideas suitable for the last century. This is coming from someone who has wasted 1/3 of this century with a bad idea and no solutions. What a joke!!

    • gfsomsel

      Norm wrote: “Hey I’ve got this bridge for sale that I think you’d love….”

      And you think things would be better under Obama? What have you been smoking?

      • Don

        Norm and Karolyn have been ” smallowing the obammy kool
        `aid

      • nc

        gfsomsel, you said that I was not aware that bush warned Congress that Fannie and Freddie were up to no good! You are an adult who studied Greek and when you watched the video of “bush praising Fannie and freddie” did you get the impression he was warning Congress or thanking Fannie and Freddie for their help with low income financing??
        He had been in office for almost two years at that time and almost 4 years when he signed the DREAM ACT to make the DOWN PAYMENT ON LOW INCOME HOUSING WITH TAXPAYER MONEY.
        MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST STUDY GREEK HISTORY BECAUSE YOU AIN’T WORTH A GRUNT WITH OURS!!

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          I can understand your confusion when you rely on Alan Combes for your information. You might try reading http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123137220550562585.html. I think you are the one who “is not worth a grunt” with our history.

    • DaveH

      mark says — “And conservatives and libertarians are actually buying this? Talk about your useful idiots!”.
      And you know this how, mark (with a little ‘m’)?
      Talk about a Useless Idiot.

  • Liberty Lover

    Loved everything about the GOP convention except the treatment of Ron Paul and his delegates and the performance by the Gingriches, who reminded me of two co-presenters at the Academy Awards ceremony. Was Callista out there to prove that women can find acceptance in the Republican Party?

    • gfsomsel

      The treatment of Ron Paul was not good, but Ron Paul supporters aren’t known to “play nice” so I guess they got what they asked for. As regards Newt & Callista, I agree. I call those presentations which have a male and female alternating “ping pong” presentations. I think it’s inspired by an attempt to show that they aren’t discriminating against women.

      • DaveH

        gfsomsel says — “Ron Paul supporters aren’t known to “play nice””.
        Do you have any evidence to back up your conjecture, gfsomsel?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Is the country some kind of kindergarten playground that everyone must play nice? Why are you worried about Ron Paul supporters supposedly not playing nice?
        Firstly, define what You mean by playing nice and what the Ron Paul mean by playing nice.
        Romney will not change the size of government. All the country is going to get is a new manager who will just rearrange some things and make the people in government have a new upbeat attitude.

  • Patriot007

    This statement doesn’t apply to all Libertarians but, the simplistic hubristic snipes, the anti-vote mentality, and the moral superiority complex is repulsive to typical citizens who are making the best decision with the obvious options that are available. Like a bunch of vombie lemmings they are critical of all other political movements and encourage no action by either party unless it’s for Ron Paul. Everyone in all the Parties whether winners or losers are human and thus flawed. We choose our leaders based on our voting, to disdain voting is anti-American and nothing more than the excuses made by eventual losers. Don’t complain if you don’t vote! Otherwise you make yourselves political whiners, crying over why the majority doesn’t agree with you. I think we all want a smaller Govt., lower taxes, honest politicians, a strong country and safe neighborhoods that includes good schools and good roads with plenty of employment opportunities. I personally think that the Democrats have clearly jumped off the deep end with a platform and political agenda that is socialist and leaning Marxist. The Republicans and Libertarians have more in common than the Democrats do. Reading these disgruntled articles and opinions strike me as odd for a group that can’t win unless they win mentality. I thought Libertarians made decisions based on good reasoning and careful evaluation while working with what you have available to make things better for society. At least that’s what I try to do and encourage. Political snipes are cheap and amounts to sticking out you tongue at anyone who disagrees. We can do better and prove it with a little class even.

    • Tom Cook

      PatBond–I’m with you.

    • DaveH

      Patriot007 says — ” I thought Libertarians made decisions based on good reasoning and careful evaluation while working with what you have available to make things better for society”.
      Principles can’t be compromised, Patriot007. You either have them, or you don’t.
      We can lead the sheep to water, but we can’t make them drink it.
      And tell us exactly, Patriot007, what is Classy about generalizing a whole group of people and personally attacking them?

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Even Republicans picked up on Obama “dream/agenda” and voted for him. Read the resume’s of the speakers and believe a word of it and I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. What happened to the Romney that was accused of flip flopping when he was running against McCain? It’s easy to say nice words over a dying man but if he recovers the truth will again come to the surface. Did they say, and mean it, that they would adopt President Washington’s foreign policy? Was the word moral said, and meant it? Auditing the Fed is like the cops finding a piece of evidence but not enough to take the guy to trial. The government attorney’s then drop the case. Lenin told his generals to change the definition of words and create words so we can mold people to be what we want. He said “People think in words and how they interpret words is what they are”.

  • WhatIsLiberty

    The whole convention was a fraud and a farce. Go ahead and pretend it was this wonderful thing…the rules change was the worst abomination against ALL future grassroots/teaparty/non-establishment attempts to move this country toward liberty. Welcome to top-down delegate selection. DISGUSTING. They didn’t NEED to cheat to win – but they did it anyway. They disenfranchised a large voting block for no reason. NONE!!! So, when Obama wins this fall – you can thank your dear RNC “leaders.” The GOP is dead.

  • Tom Cook

    Chip, I think you see the world through a glass half empty–one of the reasons I read you–offsets the more positive of my wide reading (no, not Salon or Kos). Dinesh did a great job with 2016 (not one black face in the theater when I saw it) and I think some blacks are starting to grow up. The truth that is coming out from the SpecOps community about obongo’s treason is waking even some of the Jews up. Those barely out of teen stupidity cannot be expected to have much intelligence and will be easily swayed by obongo’s lies. Women who are kind of like blacks and Jews–not real bright–seem to be getting the picture. There really is hope.

  • Steve

    Ruebio, was good. Very glad he is not the nominee. Not quite ready yet. Unfortunately, he did blow the last line of his speech when he got it backwards, said if you believe in big government. Make a note. That is one of those sound bites that will live on in forever when the libs pick up on it. It was clear to me he just transposed the line. Guess that is what you get when you work off memory and don’t use a tell-a-prompter.
    Actually come to think of it, I didn’t see any of them like the current POTUS has to use. You know what I am talking about, the guy with no work history, that can’t talk on his feet or write his own stuff so he has to use one, and that is really kind of a refreshing change.
    I really think your going to like Mitt a bunch; at least he is the real thing. Unless of course you made up your mind when you were born because your dad was a union democrat and can’t get past your pre existing condition. Or think you were disenfranchised and can’t accept the fact your guy right or wrong could not be elected despite all the precinct packing you did. And, good job by the way. I was impressed by the organization and sincerity.
    Think of it this way. If your career politician guy can’t carry the party he has been in for years after trying what 3 times now, he sure can’t carry the national election no matter how bad you want him. End of story. I for one have wasted enough votes on independent party crap and in the past that has got us in a far worse condition as a nation. I repent and I am not going there again. That does not mean I won’t hold the prevailing party, and especially Representatives and Senators accountable for what they do. After all they make the laws. Want to make a real change? Impose term limits on the existing Senate at the ballot box.

    • gfsomsel

      Steve wrote: “Unfortunately, he did blow the last line of his speech when he got it backwards, said if you believe in big government.”

      I’m glad I’m not the only one to note that—it means that I wasn’t imagining things.

  • Fedup

    DaveH – if you think the “proressive” changes of the last 4 years are the same as the last 42 years, you aren’t paying attention. We have a COMMUNIST in the Whitehouse – wake up!

    • Norm

      Let’s see.
      Obamacare = Insurance purchased through privately run “for profit” insurance companies.
      Do you even know what communism is?

      • Steve

        Norm,
        What about the promise that your guy made? Remember? How many times did he say it? “No one is going to have to pay more taxes unless they are making more than 250K a year.” Soak the rich and take care of the poor. Get real. Remember? “you will have to pass it so we can find out what is in it?” More Dimbo crap.
        The court just ruled Obama care is in fact legal and it is indeed a “TAX” that affects everyone in every income level. How do you like your guy now? Caught in his own lying words with his hand in your pocket! You just have not felt the big sting yet, but if re-elected it is on the way. This is probably wasted breath but it really isn’t about health care, it as about government control of your medical choices and that is communism not free market.

    • SJJolly

      Fedup: Let’s see if I have your logic right: Communism is something “BAD!”. Obama is someone “BAD!”. Therefore, Obama is a Communist. Right? And the same logic applies to Marxist, Socialist, Liberal, Islamist, etc., etc.

      • Pathfinder

        You may be on to something with your statement.

    • DaveH

      Me wake up? Sorry, Fedup, it’s people like you, who don’t know that tyranny takes time to accomplish, who are sleeping. The Progressives have been building the scaffolding for tyranny for the last 100+ years. And they have commandeered both major political parties, thanks to apathetic people like yourself who have not done the necessary reading to learn that Government has become a coalition of Crony Politicians and Crony Capitalists who operate at the rest of our expense. To continue to swallow their Propaganda and rubber-stamp the Establishment Politicians (in either Party) just gives them more time to complete their takeover. Imagine the Power that allowed the USSR to subjugate their people completely and magnify that a few times to realize how futile it will be for us once the US establishment has completed their takeover.

  • http://Yahoo.com Bill

    Robert Smith – I hope your seeing eye dog isn’t a republican – if he is, one of these days he’s going to bite you – hard enough to make you squeal like a pig.

  • Fedup

    gfsomsel – I heard it also

  • http://Yahoo.com Bill

    After reading so many of these posts, I’m completely convinced that there’s an overflow of idiots and morons. While Mr Bush created some of the problem, the big problems started when the Dems took over the house and senate the last 2 years of his presidency. The problems continued and got bigger when the people elected a community organizer to run this country. So many on here are saying you can’t trust Romney, or this or that. Wake up, we’ve had 4 years of Obama – could Romney really do any worse??? I don’t think so. Someone said Mr Bush was a business man – he was an opportunist. Romney is a business man – and a damn good one.

    • Norm

      Wake up, we’ve had 4 years of Obama – could Romney really do any worse???

      You bit your A*S he could and he would if given the chance!

      • Smilee

        Trouble is you cannot convince the blind on that fact, if he wins they will know you are right in four years.

    • Robert Rashbrooke

      Bill.

      You say that conditions cannot get worse than they have done so far under Obama. Did you hear any of the utter drivel propounded by Jamie Dimond and the other bankers trying to weasel their way out of any responsibility for the financial fiasco. Since they were stating their idea of the truth to Congressmen of a like mind, it was all accepted as if it was Gospel.

      Romney is the same type of person. He will change his opinion at will to justify his current requirement and not feel one iota of concience at having done so. He has been trying now for ,what, 5-6 years to become President, why? Not for the money, he has more than enough of that stashed away overseas, so it must be for the power and control he can exercise over the rest of us, like he was used to exercising whilst at Bain.

      Ryan too is a complete chameleon, saying one thing to engender a
      following, and in reality, doing just the opposite

      If any of you think that these two are the best choice to decide the future course of America, then your expectations are a lot lower then mine.

  • chuckb

    we do need change, party change. each election the same old cry comes up, we need a new party. the time to do that is start immediately after the election, not three years and eight months after.
    all this cry about romney is nonsense, the guy in the white house is the problem, he hasn’t a clue how to fix the economy, the senate is the biggest road block and it has been since 2007. harry reid is the culprit, the democratic party in it’s entirety has run the country into the ditch since 2007. we need a change of leadership in the congress and senate, get rid of the rino’s
    the idea of barry soetoro remaining in the white house another four years is almost sickening, this country cannot survive under this guy. can we afford four more years of this kind of administration, no! the guy has done nothing except campaign and vacation since taking office, he bypasses congress and rules by fiat. we know nothing about the guy except a phony birth certificate and again the law is flaunted and many people don’t care. he’s black and that’s all that counts. if people are so enthralled about having a black man rule the nation, why not get some one like allen west, he seems to be very bright, a conservative and a “patriotic american”. on the other hand he won’t promise all the freebies like barry, so there went his chance.

    romney is the only chance we have to change this countries course, otherwise we are headed to the cuba status.

    • DaveH

      Best buy your Havana Panama Hat now, Chuck, while the prices are still low.

  • Norm

    It’s fine and appropriate to criticize the current economic conditions.
    But to say you will do better, when you have no viable plan to do so, is not going to fly. Anyone who has an iota of brainpower, has to see that the GOP has no answers.
    Obstructionism and discrediting your opponent does not work when it’s your turn to act. Incidentally, the last 2 years of Republican rule in the House have been a disaster.
    Judging from the latest Electoral College poll data, it’s hard to see how Romney can win, barring some extreme event(s).

    • DaveH

      The last 2 years have been a disaster, Norm? Can you be more specific, so we can investigate if your generalized conjecture has any elements of truth?

  • Melesa

    Obama hasn’t done a stinking thing for us except get us further in the hole! For God’s sake, let’s get somebody in there that has some experience in business and is willing to take on this mountain of a mess, Oblamer has gotten us into!

    • Smilee

      He was given an economic hole that cannot be dug out of for 10 years at best and after three and a half years you seem to think he should have by now performed this miracle of returning the economy to normal, we were losing over 800 million jobs a month in Jan 2009 and today we are gaining about 170,000 each month and during this time all the republicans have done it bitch and obstruct. They knew they were the problem and not the solution but of course they tell you the opposite. YES it sure could have been worse but for Obama but it could have been a lot better had the republicans been statesmen and participated in the solution rather that focusing on making him a one term president. He could only partially succeed then and they use what they tell us is failure on his part when the failure is more theirs.

      • Kathy

        Make that 6 years, Smilee!! The Democrats had control of the HOUSE and the SENATE for the last 2 years of GW’s second administration. The only thing OBLAMER is good at is blaming and playing golf and flitting around the country. He has not healed the great divide as he promised. He has pounded in a bigger wedge. He has not lived up to any promises because he has done nothing except whine whine whine. We need an adult in the White House. Send Oblamer to his room without supper.

      • Pathfinder

        Hello Smilee:
        Rough USA population figure is aprox. 300 million:
        ……. And “we lost 800 million jobs a month just Jan 09″ ????.
        You may to revisit and amend that number.

      • Palin16

        Good catch Pathfinder. I think Smillee got his figures from the union handbook where he used to work.

      • DaveH

        Those people, who would like to investigate Smilee’s claims, can simply go here:
        http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ce
        Then check the top box (Total Nonfarm Employment) and pick the “retrieve data” button at the bottom of the page.
        Note particularly that in January 2001 (Bush takes office) the number of employed was 132,466,000.
        Then in January 2008 employment hit its peak at 138,023,000.
        So I guess Bush supporters could say that he “created” 5,557,000 jobs. And then 11 months later lost them back. But Government doesn’t create real jobs. They can only create make-work jobs that customers don’t really demand. If the customers did, they would support them with their own money and voluntary purchases. The best that Government can do is to just get out of the way of the Real Job Creators.
        In January 2009 (Obama takes office) the number of employed was 133,561,000.
        The latest actual employment figures are for May 2012 at 133,018,000.
        So, between the time Obama took office and May 2012, we have lost 543,000 jobs.

      • Smilee

        Pathfinder says:
        August 31, 2012 at 1:21 pm

        I’m sorry it was 8 million not 800 million, I knew better and not sure why i typed that

      • Smilee

        Kathy says:
        August 31, 2012 at 12:57 pm

        Six years of being in the majority only 6 months of that did they have 60 votes needed to shut off debate and until you do that you cannot vote on a bill. Filibusterers by the GOP at a record number during these years prevented the Democrats for passing much of what was needed to solve some of our problems. Filibusters will remain high as long as we do not have a bipartisan attitudes, so majority does not mean control so your statement is false.

        • gfsomsel

          Yes, and we all know what “bi-partisan” means for you Damn-o-crats. It means the whole or partial surrender to Damn-o-crat desires.

        • Kathy

          I believe the house only lost its 60 majority in 2010. Democrat control from 2006 to 2010. With continued control in the Senate and Harry Reid (vile person. Read about how he went from poor to very rich), that’s enough to stick a wedge in the wheel of progress.

          I think liberals have very selective memories.

          Why is it these very fabulously rich Democrats (Pelosi and Reid to name only 2) protest the rich and support the great unwashed OWS????? Same for dearly departed Teddy Kennedy. Wonder how much of his estate went to benefit his poor and downtrodden constituents.

      • Smilee

        Palin16 says:
        August 31, 2012 at 2:48 pm

        Shows you know nothing about unions as there are no handbooks or figures of this type in any union sourse

      • Smilee

        Smilee says:
        August 31, 2012 at 10:28 pm

        Pathfinder, change that from 800 million to 800 thousand, I finally got it right, sorry

      • Smilee

        gfsomsel says:
        August 31, 2012 at 10:39 pm

        Your wrong when Standard and Poors lowered the countries credit rating they gave as their reason as obstruction by the house republicans refusal to be open to added to creating revenues to meet a debt solution, so they thought it was their fault, which shoots down your BS. GOP today operates on the blackmail method but Obama would not give and they then offered to next year cut everything big time which will cause bigger debts and lower credit ratings, no gfs it is the republicans whom are the troublemakers as the facts clearly show

        • gfsomsel

          The one thing that sticks in my mind that Rosie O’Donnell said applies to you “De-luuuu-sional.”

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        August 31, 2012 at 3:24 pm

        Are you really trying to convince me that from a minus 899 thousand jobs a month to plus 165,000 per month is not progress, you can spin all the numbers you like but that does not change this fact.

        • Kathy

          The unemployments figures do not take into account the huge numbers of discouraged people who have given up looking and the sole propietors and small businesses that have closed. Besides if you add 165,000 useless and unproductive jobs, it is not going to do any good in the long run.

          People complain about jobs being sent to China etc. WHO is the cause of that?? The American Public, who insists on buying goods at Walmart.

      • DaveH

        Smilee says — “Are you really trying to convince me that from a minus 899 thousand jobs a month to plus 165,000 per month is not progress, you can spin all the numbers you like but that does not change this fact”.
        First, Smilee, you said 800 million a month. Then you corrected that with 8 million a month. Now it’s 899,000 a month, Smilee? And you talk about me spinning numbers? My numbers were taken from the BLS website, which I posted a link to for anybody to see. No spin, just fact. You should try that Smilee. Maybe then you would have some credibility.

      • DaveH

        Also I would like the reader to note that when Obama took office (Jan 2009), the non-farm employment figure was 133,561,000. During the next 13 months (Feb 2010) it had sunk to a low of 129,244,000. The latest month of actual data (May 2012) puts it at 133,018,000.
        If you ignore the fact that Obama presided over the drop to 129,244,000 employed, and subtract that from the latest actual figure 133,018,000 the total increase is 3,774,000 over 27 months for an average monthly increase of 139,777 per month. So no matter how he spins it, Smilee is just blowing smoke up our ……
        The reality of course is that the total non-farm employment is still about 500,000 jobs LESS than when Obama took office.

      • Smilee

        I mistyped the numbers but the trend from a big negative to a positive each month for over two years is progress, the GOP wants us to believe that miracles should have took place and being so obstructive they made it even worse that it would have been if they would have cooperated. Their top agenda was to make Obama a one term president and that they worked hard on since i/09. and very little else.

        • gfsomsel

          “Trend to a big positive”? What have you been smoking, Smilee? Those numbers aren’t even enough to keep pace with the number of people entering the workforce despite the “disenfranchisement” of discouraged workers who are no longer counted. The Obama regime has presided over the worst “recovery” since the Great Depression. All he can do is blame Bush, ATMs, tsunamis, etc., etc. What a d**chebag.

      • Smilee

        gfsomsel says:
        September 1, 2012 at 11:22 am

        Hey dummy, I never commented on if it was enough, I merely said going from a negative 800 thousand a month was a size able increase to a positive 165,000 per month, spin spin spin

      • DaveH

        The readers can read the thread, Smilee, and see what you’ve really said. Do you really think you have any credibility here?

  • Norm

    Mitt Romney ran for governor of Massachusetts promising more jobs, decreased debt, and smaller government.

    Here’s what Massachusetts got instead:
    •Jobs: 47th out of 50 states in job creation
    •Taxes and fees: Increased by $750 million per year
    •Long-term debt: Increased more than $2.6 billion

    • Palin16

      More lies copied right off an attack ad. That’s all the dumbocrats have to offer, nothing positive to show after 4 years of Obummer.

      • Smilee

        Your so negative you could never recognize positive!!

      • Palin16

        Wrong Smelly. I’m a Reagan optomist. The glass is always half full. And just as Reagan won in a humiliating landslide over Mondale, I predict Romney will make Obummer look even worse in November. Romney looked the American people right in the eye last night and said “I will NOT raises taxes on the middle class.”

      • Smilee

        Palin16 says:
        August 31, 2012 at 2:54 pm

        DREAM ON SUCKER!! Obama also said he will not raise taxes on the middle class but what Romney did not say last night was he will lower the taxes on the rich even more and without more revenue he will have borrow more money to do it. I’m sure he knows it but apparently you do not, all he promised last night is something he cannot deliver due to the circumstances. This economy has at least another six years before it will be fully mended and neither Romney or Obama will do it faster but Romney ideas for solutions could make it worse and longer and most likely would. You may see this as a glass half full but it is half empty and Romney would empty it and you and I will pay for it

    • DaveH

      Government cannot create net jobs. Sure, they can take money from the Private Sector, and spend some of it on “creating” jobs, but that deprives the Private Sector from the money that would have, in their hands, created more jobs, and more productive jobs. So, the net results of Government “job creation” is fewer jobs and less productive jobs.
      It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that the people employed by Government, with their myriad protections and great benefits, aren’t going to be as productive as Private Sector workers who must be productive or look for another job.

      • Smilee

        Bush did it that way for eight years and how well did work?? It was a disaster and the worst average job growth ever.

        • gfsomsel

          What you have stated is a lie. Bush inherited a recession from Clinton but turned it around through tax cuts so that we ended up with virtually full employment. Take your lies elsewhere.

  • jopa

    After the talk about Romney and Bain outsourcing thuousands of jobs to China India and Pakistan, an advisor for Romney came forward and accused Obama of outsourcing telemarketing jobs to Omaha Nebraska.Ninety five per cent of Romney’s advisors are from the unmentionable Presidents cabinet.Totally taboo to talk about Dubya.Oh Yes. Omaha is in the USA.

    • Palin16

      is that a David Letterman joke?

  • LC

    Romney is not a ‘business man’ in the traditional sense of the word. He, like ‘dubya’, is an investor. There is a HUGE difference. Business men actually run one and they take the good with the bad, finding ways to promote and sell to keep a BUSINESS afloat. Investors on the other hand are truly only interested in increasing their personal wealth. They essentially lend money and expect growth and return. When that potential is dwindling they pull out while they still have gains. Most of the time causing bankruptcy of that company or at the Soros level,markets. Yeah I know DUH !! But it seems to me that some of you need to hear it in it’s simplest terms so that you have full understanding why America is collapsing. These choices that we have been given are not BUSINESS manager types they are shrud INVESTORS no different than Soros himself. And they rarely take losses. On the other hand. any who trust in them take HUGE ECONOMICAL DOWN TURNS and some/most lose EVERYTHING!!!

  • Chuck

    Better to vote for the lesser of evils than the greater of evils. Before and after Romney gets elected, we need to push him in the right direction. Incidentally, you can go to mittromney.com – go to “contact us” at the bottom of the page and then click on “suggestions” to communicate to him. We should also do so to Obama and other officials. I think Romney is much more likely to listen to us than Obama.

    One problem Bush 43 had was that he didn’t defend himself or his policies enough. The democrats are blaming Bush and he isn’t telling the other side. He may want to not be a complainer, but we’re all hurting from his not defending his policies. Maybe some super-PAC could explain what really happened with the economy. Ross Perot had some 1/2 hour infomercials in which he talked in more depth on issues. Maybe Romney should do that.

    I think there are a lot more conservatives fired up and willing to keep pressure on Romney than there were with Bush. We need to keep pressure on him and everyone else in office. Too many conservatives were hesitant to pressure Bush.

    I think conservatives in congress should be willing to criticize any liberal republicans – and democrats. McCain was known as being a maverick – criticizing Bush, mostly from the left. There should be a whole contingent of conservative mavericks ready to criticize Romney if he goes astray. I think we have stronger conservatives in Congress than we’ve had for a while – maybe a long while. Lets put more in.

    We need to communicate conservatism to the public as well. I think it would be good to have billboards with short, self-explanatory messages and an easy web address. Like “democrats tax and regulate your jobs away – heritage.org”. Then at Heritage,org, a picture of a billboard that says “billboard messages”. Click on it and you see many pictures of billboards with messages. The ones that are actually out there at the top and ones we’d like to post below. Hopefully the person would click on he one he saw, but then go back and look at many others. Rush gave one of the best self-explanatory phrases ever “standard english is the language of success”.

    Bumper stickers are another way to reach more people.

  • toosmarttovoteGOP

    So, THE most radical, unamerican platform in DECADES, if not ever, is “the best one we’ve seen in the past 20 years.”? Frightening.

  • Norm

    As the 82-year-old Clint Eastwood spoke, Obama senior adviser David Axelrod asked, “What the heck IS this?” Moments later, after Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) had taken the stage, Axelrod added: “That screaming you hear backstage is poor Clint, when they told him Mitt wants U.S. to stay in Afghanistan INDEFINITELY,” a reference to Eastwood’s suggestion that U.S. forces should pull out “tomorrow morning.”

  • http://none Charlie

    Well,,, during the meantime We will pray for Ron Paul to become President … And,,,
    Praise King Jesus for Salvation Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    • Chuck

      Would Jesus want us to legalize drugs? Or let Iran get nuclear weapons?

      • Karolyn

        Why not?

      • Norm

        Jesus doesn’t need help from you or any other human!

      • DaveH

        Chuck,
        You have been Propagandized.
        Some facts:
        In 2000 Iraq began selling its oil in euros.
        In 2006 Syria switched all of the state’s foreign currency transactions to euros from dollars.
        In 2009 Iran completely stopped conducting oil transactions in U.S. dollars.
        In 2011 Libyan Leader Ghadafi decided to to pursue a gold standard and reject dollars for oil payments.
        Do you see a pattern there? Can you say — BANKERS?

        My prescription for your Anti-Drug addiction:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Mark%20Thornton/Economics%20of%20Prohibition.pdf

  • Pathfinder

    I empathize with the lamenting of Ron Paul (RP)not given a voice.
    Please recognize also that folks Perry, Bachman, Gingrich, got about the same treatment and thats what happens when to majority does not support your favorite candidate.
    i too am disappointed and am faced with the same decision as to whom to vote.
    However, having been down before road before with Perot, I just can not fathom another 4 years of OBAMA. He had his chance and things are not better , he has compounded what bush and the rest of them started (both the D&R’s).
    I appreciate RP and see him in the mold of John Adams, a constitutionalist. The fact remains he is not on the ballot and November may not be the time to cast a ballot for your favorite that didn’t quite make it to the finals. November is a time to rid ourselves od a perria

    • Pathfinder

      So as to continue the above post that was inadvertently sent.)
      ….November is a time to dump one administration and then immediately start to push forward for 2106. I know this for sure …. the last administration didn’t do it job and the prospect for improvement is very dim

  • gfsomsel

    One last note for those of you who didn’t see Clint last night or who saw it but had a negative reaction, I suggest you watch it (again?). It was uproariously funny.
    http://townhall.com/video/clint-eastwoods-speech-to-the-republican-national-convention

    • Smilee

      It was funny and it sure took the focus off Romney in the media and talk shows last night and today depriving Romney of this critical day to follow up and boost his bump it the polls which I’m sure teed him off judging from the spin his handlers gave.

  • libertybound

    I do not see any disgust here, I cannot believe that no one is commenting in the RNC disgusting behavior; they did not follow the rule, their own rules, and they kept changing the rules to make sure Mitt Romney would win. What kind of freedom in general or freedom of speech is that? Mitt Romney did not win honestly. If Ron Paul delegates could have voted he would have won, and now that that has passed, we just say oh well. You people need to be wakened to what happened here. The RNC wanted Mitt Romney to win; why, because they know he will not fix the corruption that needs to be fixed in this country You folks just witnessed another Obama president, just in a different suit. For instance, he for the Patriot Act which did away with all of our rights, he is for NDAA which means the president can have Americans arrested without proof and be permanently detained. This does not bother you? He likes Obamacare so that healthcare can be completely dismantled to nothingness, he has never created a job, in fact he eliminated jobs, he just tells he can do it because he made money he’s been successful; ok yeah but how was he successful, by taking money from the Federal Reserve thats where allot of the corruption is at, and he does not plan on getting rid of it, he has already said, even though through this flip floppery he will say that he did not say that. He is a crook folks can’t you see that you are getting Obama all over again. Ron Paul would have, he cared about us, he even left his campaign trail to go to Washington to make sure he was there to vote against the NDAA. What a guy, he would have been the best president we could of ever of had. But you know what, with the way you people think willing to give up your freedom to this jerk, who does not care about you, you people do not deserve someone as wonderful as Ron Paul. We all will unfortunately get the president we deserve because you people don’t want to stand up and say RNC your behavior was despicable I am ashamed to be called a Republican! You have just okayed their bad behavior by going along with this terrible candidate Mitt Romney, and since you did not stand up expect more of the same kind of behavior from the RNC and the UNITED STATES INC. You deserve a lousy president, unfortunately so do those who are awake and know when Americans have been duped big time.

    I will show my disgust by making this statement, I think the RNC should change their name to THE SOCIALIST PARTY because that is exactly how they have acted,like I do not see any contempt from anyone here. I think it is a sad day for America. What the RNC did was say to you you people are so stupid to know what would make a good candidate, here he is folks, here is who you can vote for Mitt Romney. To show your contempt would to all of you walked out and say I am going to sign up and be libertarian, it would serve them right. By the way libertarian just means that you believe in liberty, so do you or don’t you?

    • LC

      My sentiments exactly,liberty!! People understand this Ron Paul WAS NOT put out of this because of his lack of support BY THE PEOPLE. He was put out of it because OF HIS SUPPORT by the American people. The GOP and RNC got scared they never expected to see that much support for a candidate that had such an extreme platform!!!! So they pushed him and his followers to the back, for the rest of the campaign trail. And on top of that, put his constituents as far away from the mic as possible at the convention. Go to utube and listen to some of the sound bites of Romney shortly after the GOP pushed him on US. You can still hear them calling for Paul!! Now, just to make sure this doesn’t happen again, they are going to CHANGE the rules PERMANENTLY!! The time is defintely NOW or NEVER !!!!!!!!!

  • jopa

    Clint Eastwood’s little skit last night reminded me of JIm Ignatowski( Christopher Lloyd) from Taxi.For him being 82 years old he seems to be doing okay and we wish him the best with what he has left to deal with.He really did steal the show away from that GOP guy running for President.For some reason nobody there wants to mention his name or even the last businessman we had for a President.

    • Palin16

      Most of the politicians spoke from a teleprompter.
      A few used handwritten notes instead.
      Clint didn’t use either. He just spoke from the heart.
      So forgive him if his delivery was a little slower.

      • Smilee

        They all spoke from a TelePrompter but Clint who was not scripted as were the rest, he was scheduled to speak five min and ignored the red light and spoke for 12 min which I understand infuriated the Romney handlers as did the content as it took the spotlight off of him in the press and talk shows which will hurt him some

  • Freedom from gov’t

    Gone are the days of MOM & POP and the millions of jobs they provided. Once upon a time there were industrialist men who, most coming from impoverished means, built wealth through ideals and provided jobs for many. While at the same time grew America to be the greatest power this planet has ever known. GONE!! Capitalism and free market have run their prospective courses and have topped out leaving US with COMMUNISM!! That’s really all there is to it. Investors would rather put their ideals into something that they can collectively control than take a chance on new industry, that has less of a chance of return. They could also care less about what happens to the rest of US because they and their families have basically, decades ( if not centuries) worth of wealth. So what would be the incentive for them to try and revive America. NAFTA was a friendly warning to companies from their gov’t BUDDIES saying, “we’re doomed it’s only a matter of time!” “Get out while you can!” Which set the table for the uber rich (ELITE) vultures to come in and GUT OUT what was left of AMERICA!! The debt that has amassed, the interest on that debt,plus any further borrowing will be impossible to crawl out of. Unless of course we are made to be their slaves in which case they will provide us food and shelter but nothing more. An attempt to prolong medicare is just so our seniors can go rest in peace. As for the rest of US, it’s time to pay the price for so much FREEDOM (capitalism), which is SLAVERY (communism)!!! MAY GOD BE WITH US!!!!

  • teaparty13

    Next weeks DNC , want to see the Roll Call if TN, KY & WV have delegates for the convict in TX. Would be funny to see..
    Clint brought the house down last night, “made my day”.

  • John W. Howard

    It seems even Michael Moore getting in the act. Michael Moore: ‘Get used to saying President Romney’ an artical from another website. Osama’s not raising the money he did in 2008.

    J.W.Howard

    • libertybound

      After the kind of misbehavior of the RNC anything can happen; when any group, entity or organization can just override an action, motion or bypass rules without any kind of accountability that speaks death to freedom, and all of our rights.

      I do not believe Americans truly understand what happened at the RNC Convention. The RNC did not follow the rules. They did not follow the original rules, or the newest of rules, it was all for one purpose and one purpose only, it did not matter what the majority of the people wanted, Mitt Romney was going to be the winner, and they broke every rule in the book to do it. Mitt Romney himself is guilty of voter fraud, and yet despite how you us Americans were treated we said that it is okay it does not matter. It did not matter that Ron Paul delegates did not get to vote, they were run right over, they did not have their first amendments rights recognized. No rights, freedom or liberty can exist without rules, and its just as important that when the rules are not followed you have no freedom at all. You have tyranny and that is what was displayed at the RNC Convention. Why is it so important that the RNC be held accountable fellow Americans, well if you don’t know let me explain something to you so that maybe you might understand this a little better; if the RNC can get by without following the rules what about the DNC they can do the same thing. Obama though not deserving of the name still is being recognized as president which whether we like it or not still is occupying that position or role. It does not matter how much money he makes in contribution money, it does not matter how many citizens are for him or against him, they are the ones still in power, and that is who will make the decision whether he is president or not. You see let me put it another way dear fellow Americans, Obama does not really need our vote, and it was proven right at the RNC Convention, it did not matter that the Ron Paul delegates got railroaded, the american people proved that rules do not matter. If the RNC can get by with not obeying the rules why not the DNC? So you see our vote will not really count because Americans did not hold the RNC accountable, why would us Americans hold the DNC accountable. We have just shown those in power that we can be overridden. RNC got by with it why not the DNC? I hope you Americans not only awaken to the fact of how important it is that rules be followed and that if they are not followed those who are not following the rules be held accountable, but also the fact that Mitt Romney has dittoed everything Obama stands for, so either way if we do end of having an election which is doubtful; we will probably most likely have Obama as our next president, and if by chance we do have an election, and Mitt Romney gets in, we will still have Obama’s policy being dittoed by Mitt Romney and his administration. You have just allowed the RNC to tell you you are nothing but a bunch of stupid people, and “you are not capable enough to know what candidate to vote for, so well here he is you stupid republicans here is who you can vote for, here is your candidate that you can vote for Mitt Romney”. Anyone I mentioned it to does not seem to care one way or the other; they would just say yeah I know It that does not seem surprising, but did not seem unduly upset by, just not surprised that that was way the way it turned out. This makes me furious, why not you, if you accept this kind of behavior what else are you going to tolerate. When are you going to say enough is enough!!!!!!!!!

      Here our rights and freedom are being infringed upon, and allot of comments that are being commented are rather shallow commenting on Clint Eastwoods speech, his appearance; nothing much ado about the content of his speech, but what was a guy at that age doing trying to give a speech for. Why not do you believe its not important for him to have his first amendment rights either? I think he should be congratulated for at least making the effort, and himself acknowledging his rights to do so.

      I do hope you wake up soon before its too late, I do not think this country can stand another Obama or another like Obama presidency. This is our last chance, better use it wisely.

      • John W. Howard

        Please read my other post. I will NOT be voting for the DemoCRIPS or the ReBLOODlicans in this election. The ReBLOODlicans have lost me for good!, and I’ve never voted for a DemoCRIP. You see I see both parties as Jesse Ventura does DemoCRIPS and ReBLOODlicans just crimnial gangs who fight for control.

        J.W.Howard

        • MikeR

          John W.: I’m really glad you will be staying home on election day. You’re too damned stupid to be voting.

          • John W. Howard

            With sheeple like you I know we will lose the country for sure. So pat yourself on the back you help destroy 236 years of self government. Go back to your football game and go back to sleep freedom will be over soon.

          • gfsomsel

            With people like you who refuse to vote for the one candidate who has a chance to win, we will indeed soon lose our freedom.

      • DaveH

        I’ve been hearing people like you, George, saying that for 40 years of voting age now.
        I guess you’re right, though. I have been voting for the only people with Principles (Libertarians) for those 40 years, and we indeed are losing our Freedom.
        Thanks, George, for your contribution to that.

  • John W. Howard
  • Palin16

    “Obomination”…..a painting featuring the harms Obama has done to our country.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xyv5EovqoJo

  • God of earth,air,fire and water

    Opinions VARY- so there is no mistake In reading comprehension:First no reply back to me, I will not respond unless a trace of valid intelligence is present. <-that will not occur from the comments for the last 3 months.
    Secondly- Romney just like the pied piper leading all you SHEEP further in Financial DOOMSDAY.. Romney ha and ha,,!!!! Incase you dont understand, Romney the ROBINHOODWINKED stance is and always be:"ROB FROM the POOR and give to his favorite CHARITY: the Bank OF ROMNEY… LIVE LONG and hopefully Prosper.. BUT I Frankly doubt it…..

    • gfsomsel

      Dear God, don’t you think you’re being just a tad pretentious? Of course, if you’re following the example of your mentor, B. O. Plenty, that is almost to be expected. Just think of all of the money that a Romney Presidency could save the country: No more Hollywood actors and musicians to bring to the White House; no more vacations in Martha’s Vineyard or Hawaii; no more constant traveling around the country on Air Force 1; no more trips to NY for Broadway plays; no more occupying the golf links so that others can be paying players. At that rate we may retire the national debt early.

      • nc

        gfsomsel, was it the record of Republican Reagan who tripled the existing national debt or Republican george w, bush, the village idiot, who double it again after Reagan tripled it that gives you such great hope that the Repugnuts will do a better job next time?? History, Greek or Republican, is not on yourside!! I believe that 7 out of the last 8 recesions have resulted with Republicans in the OVAL OFFICE! Check the list of recessions ,WITH DATES, that the National Bureau of Economic Records has recorded! Education is a wonderful thing! DENIAL IS A MENTAL DISORDER!!

    • MikeR

      God of: Please see a neurosurgeon IMMEDIATELY. You obviously have a very large tumor on your brain.

  • Karolyn

    Well, they just had the Muslim Juma in Charlotte, and there were about 200 peaceful people. There was also a handful of Christians with a small presetation of song and prayer. The Muslims spoke of religious tolerance. Everyone was very peaceful, with no issues. This was what Bryan Nash’s big story on PLD (as well as all the other conservative sites) was about on Wednesday. Much ado about nothing!

  • Average Joe

    This just in:

    Nn Tuesday, September 4th, Ron Paul will be making an apperance on the Jay Leno program to make a special announcement…could it ba a Ron Paul / Gary Johnson announcement? A Gary Johnson / Ron Paul announcement? An endorsement for Gary Johnson? Or something else entirely…Tune in to Jay Leno on Tiuesday September 4th to find out…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE1Fyxwylp8&feature=em-uploademail

    An now, back to bickering… ;)

    Best Wishes,
    AJ

    • MikeR

      AJ: Maybe he’ll be announcing that his campaign was just a big joke, and he was only kidding from the beginning.

      • DaveH

        Perhaps you could explain to us, Mike, what about Ron Paul is a joke, so we can laugh along with you?

        • MikeR

          DaveH: Ron Paul’s sick joke will probably be that he is going to endorse Gary Johnson on Jay Leno’s show. A vote for Gary Johnson is one less vote for Romney, which is the same thing as another vote for Obama. You love to use the term Crony Capitalist. If Obama is reelected, you will have to start saying Crony Communist instead.

    • DaveH

      Already, Gary Johnson is running into dirty tricks by Republicans trying to take him off ballots in several states, so I can’t imagine the stir that a Ron Paul/ Gary Johnson ticket would create. I’m guessing if he does join Gary it will be a Gary Johnson/Ron Paul ticket. Hopefully Ron Paul, as Vice President, can bring Gary up to speed on economic issues that he is weak on.

      • DaveH

        The Crony Capitalists will be pulling out all the stops, so get ready for some huge fireworks.

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Talking to yourself now, Dave?

      • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

        But who is going to bring Ron Paul up to speed in the field of foreign relations where he is weak?

      • DaveH

        It was a continuation of my thoughts, George.
        You know ‘thinking’. You should try it, George.

      • MikeR

        DaveH: You said “…….hopefully Ron Paul as Vice-President”. Do you ever listen to yourself? If you think that there is even the slightest possibility that Gary Johnson and Ron Paul will be elected you are completely dillusional.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Is anyone not the least bit concerned that the main-stream media loves Romney? Oh oh…

    • gfsomsel

      The main stream media loves Romney?!! That’s news to me. they have a very strange way of showing it.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        I was joking, dumb dumb…

        • Kathy

          Jay, no one can see your facial expressions or hear your tone of voice to tell that you were joking. You were out of line to call gfsomsel “dumb dumb”. Many bloggers criticize the politicians, but are much more strident than the politicans they criticize. Blogs can be fun and very informative, but the anger spewing out is stressful. Going back to my book. Enjoy the holiday.

      • LC

        I say stand with Maine!!! The MSM is already doing their part by repeating exactly what everyone else knows ” They are the same on most issues!” He had 11 states! Iowa wants Paul! Maine wants Paul! Any other dem or rep who is tired of the same old @&%$ might go for the CHANGE that only Paul can bring! People who have watched this unfold know that Paul got hushed and dooped in the primary, they may want Paul! If Paul gets behind Johnson and mounts a run for pres/vp we all really need to get off our @&&3& and create a movement. What could it hurt? If we don’t see the momentum come november each can decide for themsevles at that point. I think it’s worth a try.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2e_FUy-3eo
        This will get you there and there is plenty to see. Not only in support of Paul but also media coverage of how he was railroaded.
        Defeat is only finite upon surrender!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        I stand corrected, Kathy. My apologies to gfsomsel. As an aside, is not the fact that left-leaning media is highly critical of the right, obvious?

        • Kathy

          Good man, Jay!! Admire you for owning up to an error. I agree, the leftest media pounds the right or totally ignores us.

    • Norm

      What is the “main stream media”?
      You talk about “it” as though it was some kind of great conspiracy.
      There’s no united anti- neocom movement. It’s all a paranoid figment of Rush Limbaugh’s and his dittohead’s perverted thinking.

      • gfsomsel

        MSM is a way of speaking of the various media groups which all espouse the same ideas. ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT, Time, USNews, etc, etc. As Rush notes, if you miss it on CBS, go to NBC. If you miss it on NBC, go to ABC. It makes no difference since they all say basically the same thing.

      • DaveH

        Who owns the major media outlets, Norm? Who feeds them most of their news? Don’t you look out for yourself? Of course you do, so conspiracy or not, why would you think the Elites wouldn’t be looking out for themselves (at our expense)?
        Your hero, Obama, is just another in a long string of Leaders who are doing the bidding of the Bankers and the other Crony Capitalists. And the MSM owners are backing up their fellow moguls.

  • LC

    I say stand with Maine!!! The MSM is already doing their part by repeating exactly what everyone else knows ” They are the same on most issues!” Iowa wants Paul! Maine wants Paul! Any other dem or rep who is tired of the same old @&%$ might go for the CHANGE that only Paul can bring! People who have watched this unfold know that Paul got hushed and dooped in the primary, they may want Paul! If Paul gets behind Johnson and mounts a run for pres/vp we all really need to get off our @&&3& and create a movement. What could it hurt? If we don’t see the momentum come november each can decide for themsevles at that point. I think it’s worth a try.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2e_FUy-3eo
    This will get you there and there is plenty to see. Not only in support of Paul but also media coverage of how he was railroaded.
    Defeat is only finite upon surrender!!!

  • LC

    Sorry for dup. Trouble posting

  • chuckb

    gfsomel, it would be interesting to see what it cost the taxpayers to afford the luxurious living moochella and barry enjoy.
    what is the the cost of air force one for his almost daily campaign trips, this has been going on since he was elected, he has never stopped campaigning. moochella has been living the life of king tut behind the scenes. the vacations they take are rest periods from the luxurious life they lead at home. never in the history of this country have we had such lavish lifestyle. .

    • Smilee

      Its just sounds like you just entered the human race as these costs have been the same for quite a few administrations with very little differences between any of them. You just seem to be a frustrated Obama hater

  • charles

    At the end of the day I hope Mitt makes it and becomes our President in november but even if he does we cant let our guard down. We need to hold his feet to the fire. We have learned a hard lesson here and I think that lesson is trust no one espeacily the politicians. Remember its for the people by the people and do the math people there are a lot more of us than them. I dont trust the police or the military to do the rite thing. We can trust only one constant and thats our faith in god and just so you know dont lump me in as a bible thumper because I havent been to church in years but if you want to lable me a bible hugging gun toten conservitive I would say your right on the money and iam dam proud of it.

  • Cliff

    to borrow part of the slogan from candidate Cain:
    If you voted for Obama to prove you’re not a racist, now you have the opportunity to vote for a Mormon to prove you’re not STUPID.

  • chuckb

    smilee, have you added up the cost of entertaining these two people? they have taken more vacations than any previous president. no president has over used air force one as a campaign taxi like barry. and for your information i don’t hate barry soetoro, i regret he ever stepped foot in the white house, he stained our nation with his lies and ineptness.
    i don’t look at his color, and i don’t have to bad mouth him, the nation can see with their own eyes what he has and has not done.
    add it up!

    Expensive massages, top shelf vodka and five-star hotels: First Lady accused of The Obamas’ summer break on Martha’s Vineyard has already been branded a PR disaster after the couple arrived four hours apart on separate government jets.

    But according to new reports, this is the least of their extravagances.

    White House sources today claimed that the First Lady has spent $10million of U.S. taxpayers’ money on vacations alone in the past year.

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    The Obamas’ summer break on Martha’s Vineyard has already been branded a PR disaster after the couple arrived four hours apart on separate government jets.

    But according to new reports, this is the least of their extravagances.

    White House sources today claimed that the First Lady has spent $10million of U.S. taxpayers’ money on vacations alone in the past year.
    Expensive taste: Michelle Obama, pictured yesterday in West Tisbury, Massachusetts, has been accused of spending $10m of public money on vacations

    Expensive taste: Michelle Obama, pictured yesterday in Massachusetts, has been accused of spending $10m of public money on vacations

    Branding her ‘disgusting’ and ‘a vacation junkie’, they say the 47-year-old mother-of-two has been indulging in five-star hotels, where she splashes out on expensive massages and alcohol.

    More…

    Revealed: How Obama goes hobnobbing with friends and donors while on Martha’s Vineyard family holiday
    Michelle Obama shows up her husband in tiny purple bike shorts as the President lags behind in jeans
    Nothing like a world of porn kings and gangsters to take your mind off things… Obama gets stuck into his holiday reading amidst global turmoil
    Get Mrs Obama’s sense of style with MailLife.co.uk

    The ‘top source’ told the National Enquirer: ‘It’s disgusting. Michelle is taking advantage of her privileged position while the most hardworking Americans can barely afford a week or two off work.

    ‘When it’s all added up, she’s spent more than $10million in taxpayers’ money on her vacations.’
    His and her jets: The President and his wife, who are spending nine days on Martha’s Vineyard, have come under fire for travelling on separate planes

    His and her jets: The President and his wife, who are spending nine days on Martha’s Vineyard, have come under fire for travelling on separate planes

    The First Lady is believed to have taken 42 days of holiday in the past year, including a $375,000 break in Spain and a four-day ski trip to Vail, Colorado, where she spent $2,000 a night on a suite at the Sebastian hotel.

    And the first family’s nine-day stay in Martha’s Vineyard is also proving costly, with rental of the Blue Heron Farm property alone costing an estimated $50,000 a week.

    The source continued: ‘Michelle also enjoys drinking expensive booze during her trips. She favours martinis with top-shelf vodka and has a taste for rich sparking wines.

    ‘The vacations are totally Michelle’s idea. She’s like a junkie. She can’t schedule enough getaways, and she lives from one to the next – all the while sticking it to hardworking Americans.’
    The Obama administration was forced to pull a warning about racism in Spain – just as the First Lady arrived in the country for a summer holiday

    Travelling in style: Mrs Obama during her $375,000 trip to Spain last year

    A bevy of bodyguards surrounds the U.S. First Lady and eldest daughter as they take a stroll on the Costa del Sol

    High security: Bodyguards surround the First Lady and youngest daughter Sasha as they take a stroll on the Costa del Sol

    While the President and his wife do pay for some of their personal expenses from their own pocket, the website whitehousedossier.com says that the amount paid by the couple is ‘dwarfed by the overall cost to the public’.

    The magazine also reported that Mrs Obama, whose fashion choices are widely followed, had been going on ‘wild shopping sprees’, much to the distress of her husband, who, its sources reveal, is ‘absolutely furious’ at his wife’s ‘out-of-control spending’.

    The President has already come under fire this week over his decision to take a family vacation while millions of Americans are out of work and countless more are financially strapped.
    Chilled: The President enjoys an ice cream with his daughters as he relaxes on his Christmas holiday in Hawaii

    Luxury break: The President and his family, pictured in December, splashed out more than $1.5million on a Christmas holiday in Hawaii
    Tranquil: A Coast Guard patrol dingy rides up the canal near the house in Kailua where President Obama is staying

    ‘Winter White House’: The property in Kailua cost $38,000 to rent

    But the situation sparked further anger after he and his wife elected to fly separately to the Massachusetts retreat – despite travelling on the same day.

    Mr Obama left the White House aboard Marine One on his way to Andrews Air Force base to hitch a lift aboard Air Force One – along with First Dog Bo.

    After landing at Cape Cod Coast Guard Air Station, he then took a final helicopter to his holiday destination to complete the remarkable 500-mile journey.

    His wife and daughters, who arrived just four hours earlier, were also travelling from Washington, but took a specially designed military aircraft.

    They would also have had their own motorcade from the airport to the vacation residence.
    FIRST LADY OF LUXURY TRAVEL: HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE OBAMAS’ LAVISH GETAWAYS OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS

    GIRLS’ TRIP TO SPAIN: AUGUST 2010

    The exact cost is unclear as Mrs Obama and her 40 friends footed many personal expenses, such as hotels and meals themselves.

    But the U.S. taxpayer would have paid for the First Lady’s 68-strong security detail, personal staff, and use of presidential jet Air Force Two.

    Per diems for the secret service team runs at around $281 each – nearly $98,000 for the length of the summer break.

    Use of Air Force Two, the Air Force version of a 757, comes in at $149,900 for the round trip. This does not include time on the ground.

    Mrs Obama’s personal staff, of which there are an unknown amount and might cost considerably more per day, should also be taken into account.

    CHRISTMAS BREAK IN HAWAII: DECEMBER 2010

    According to the Hawaii Reporter, the bill for the $1.5m trip included:

    $63,000 on an early flight bringing Mrs Obama and the children to Hawaii ahead of the President.
    $1,000,000 on Mr Obama’s return trip from Washington on Air Force One.
    $38,000 for the ‘Winter White House’ beach property rental.
    $16,000 to rent nearby homes for Secret Service and Navy Seals.
    $134,000 for 24 White House staff to stay at the Moana Hotel.
    $251,000 in police overtime.
    $10,000 for an ambulance to be on hand at all times

    SKI TRIP TO VAIL: FEBRUARY 2011

    Mrs Obama and her daughters stayed at the Sebastian hotel on Vail Mountain, where rooms cost more than $2,400 for multi-bedroom suites.

    The family appear to have flown there on Air Force Two.

    They were escorted to the resort by a motorcade of about a dozen vehicles, including 15 state and local law enforcement officers

    SUMMER HOLIDAY ON MARTHA’S VINEYARD: AUGUST 2011

    The Blue Heron Farm estate, where the Obama family are currently staying, rents for about $50,000 a week.

    According to U.S. News and World Report, the Coast Guard is required to keep ships floating near the property, the presidential helicopter and jet remain at the ready and security agents will be on 24-hour duty.

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    Wasn’t that bit about the vacation to Spain busted right after it came out? I remember reading that she paid for most of it, and some of the “expenses” they were counting were the pay for security, which would have been there regardless. As for the 10 million, I need more than a supposed “source” in the White House and a vague statement about how it’s costing taxpayers money. State emphatically that we footed the bill for the rentals. Say exactly where is the money coming from. Then I’ll get upset. Though I admit that the bit about taking separate jets was fume-worthy. Huge push and incentives for fuel efficiency, and one of the biggest role models in the country can’t jet-pool? Come on.

    - Sandy, Georgia, USA, 26/8/2011 05:32
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    This is so highly offensive on so many levels! The President pays for personal expenses themselves. The Secret Service is with them whether they are on vacation or not! The President makes $400,000 per year, a pittance for the most stressful job in the world. What Mrs. Obama spends on a hotel room is none of my business. The Secret Service must approve of any place the First Family stays for security reasons. You’d rather have them stay in a B & B in the Jersey Shore? Where were all you grousers when George W. Bush was spending a MONTH at a time at his ranch in Crawford Texas? Bush took the most vacations of any of the four most recent Presidents.

    - MJ, Boston, USA, 26/8/2011 03:56
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    A month before it is to be dedicated, the Flight 93 National Memorial remains $10 million short of its fundraising goal. What a shame that the $10 million of PUBLIC funds spent by Michelle Obama on her lavish vacations could not have been used.

    - Paul B, New York, United States, 26/8/2011 01:40
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    George Bush never went on vacation. In fact, no president in the history of presidents has ever took a vacation. Obama invented presidential vacations. He also invented the Secret Service and transportation. Before the Obama administration, presidents walked everywhere and if they got shot, they just took it like a man.

    - zrzzz, Washington DC, 26/8/2011 01:06
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    “We, the hardest working Americans, cannot afford to take even a single week off!” Speak for yourself, my husband and I work hard and we get 5 weeks of paid vacation, right here in the U.S., both in our current and our previous jobs. We go on vacation three times a year as well, like the Obamas: Two weeks in Summer, two weeks at Christmas, and then either a Fall or Spring break, and an occasional long weekend too. Maybe you should find a better job? – Skeptic, in America, 24/8/2011 15:05 Hey Skeptic…you are one of the few lucky ones then…some people don’t even HAVE a job much less the perks you seem to have…your comment of ‘maybe you should find a better job’ is one of the problems this county seems to have…there aren’t many jobs for anyone these days!!!

    - Dari, CA, US, 25/8/2011 22:58
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    Oh come on, let them eat cake.

    - Carrie, nyc, ny, 25/8/2011 21:31
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    This is idiotic! $10m in top-shelf vodka. And judging by all the red arrows, either the British public is jealous of Mrs. Obama or our hillbillies learned how to operate the interweb.

    - Xellye, Midwest, USA, 25/8/2011 21:23
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    Responding to Johnnie, U.S.A.: Yes it is shameful and despicable but it isn’t the reporting, it’s the FACTS that are. All Presidents and their first ladies take vacations but not as many nor as outlandishly expensive. it isn’t just the federal taxes that pay for them but the local towns have to prepare for them. It’s extremely expensive for them to go on vacation. They could have stayed inland this time so there would be the expense of a Naval ship on guard. They sure don’t act like the country is in such financial trouble. HE has quadrupled the debt in 2 years. No way do they deserve such extravagance at our expense. If you like it then YOU pay. Leave me out of this, I can’t afford a “Staycation”.

    - C.Jack, Oak Harbor, Wa., U.S.A., 25/8/2011 21:07
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    And this week another 415,000 Americans found themselves unemployed! But don’t worry they will all have jobs at Mickey D’s! (Unless the EPA find something wrong with the food). Liberals and their ‘do gooder’ regulations will be the death nail of our nation!

    - Byron Chan (Expat), Roswell USA, 25/8/2011 20:37
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    These figures are all over the place, not just from the Enquirer, who btw, not only broke the john edwards story but the clinton/lewinsky fiasco. Lately the enquirer is more reliable than the NY times. She’s like the lottery winner who never had two nickles to rub together, she can’t decide what luxury to spend the money next. Nouveau riche’ are the worst kind, especially when they’re spending someone else’s money. England, please let us know when the Queen and Prince Phillip want to retire, we can send you a new set of monarchs. Only thing Moochelle hasn’t purchased on our dime, is a tiara, but they have until 2012.

    - Sammie Jo, Texas USA, 25/8/2011 20:27
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    • Smilee

      I don’t believe it that you can really believe all this BS you spewed out in this fantasy post of your. Only a sucker would believe the propaganda sources you send us too, there is no truth in any of your post and anything used for campaign is paid for by his campaign as was true for all other presidents. The only thing i can conclude from your post and that is you have a very deep hatred of Obama and are willing to use any lie to express. SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!

      • gfsomsel

        No, shame on you, Smilee, for being an Obama drone.

      • chuckb

        the reason this loser is in the white house is because of people like you who failed to recognize what he is. all you have to do is check it out on the internet. the truth hurts doesn’t it,

      • Smilee

        Silly both of you, I did not vote for Obama last time but will this time and if you could muster an open mind you might be wise to also.

        • Kathy

          “Vote for Obama once to prove you are not a racist. Don’t vote for him again to prove you’re not stupid.”

          Good try Smilee, but you are way out numbered on this blog.

      • Smilee

        Kathy says:
        September 1, 2012 at 8:48 am

        I think that is an accurate statement and also accurate is that there are a large number on here who do not understand what they are talking about

        • Kathy

          I did not write those words, Smilee. KNOCK IT OFF!!

      • DaveH

        And then there are those, Smilee, who know the truth but are purposely lying and equivocating:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wKyXA_nMVQ

      • Smilee

        Kathy says:
        September 1, 2012 at 11:07 am

        Could you be so nice to say what words you are talking about???? I do not believe I misquoted you anywhere but at least give me the courtesy to let me know what put the burr under your saddle.

        • Kathy

          Already deleted Smilee, since both of my replies were replies directly to the quotes. I didn’t copy and paste. Dave H thinks there is another Kathy, but haven’t found her yet. If I’m in error, I apologize.

    • MikeR

      chuckb: Would you mind repeating that?

  • Kinetic1

    “First, Paul Ryan did exactly what he was supposed to do.”
    Really? The job of the vice presidential candidate is to lie in order to advance his party? How about that whopper about the GM plant in his home town? “… one more broken promise.” Obama made no promises, and even if he did, it closed during the Bush Presidency! And if that weren’t enough, he claims Obama “did exactly nothing” on Bowles-Simpson. Ryan said, “He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.” He should know, since Ryan was instrumental in sabotaging the commission, leading the other House Republicans in voting against the plan.

    We could go on and on, but that has been done by most news services, including FOX. The Republicans are off to a good start in showing us exactly what we can expect from them.

  • chuckb

    kinetic 1, are you for real? no gm plant in his home town? wrong again, the plant was still open when barry made the remarks. try again. your information is flawed.

    • gfsomsel

      Chuckb, that’s because these Obama drones have something come into their ears from the Obama campaign and out their mouths without ever passing through their brains. It reminds me about the old story of professorial lectures going from the professor’s notes, out his mouth, into the ears of the students and on to their notes without ever passing through the minds of either party.

      • chuckb

        gfsomel, everything romney or ryan say will be churned through fact check and made out to be a lie. that’s the way the bolshevik party operates, they get away with it because the people who follow the bolshevik line are susceptible to their mis-information.

        i have been for palin not romney, however, palin got aced out by karl rove and company. palin may not have had the money behind her due to the pounding by the bolsheviks the last four years, they were really afraid of her. anyway romney has the money to fight these guys and he’s much better than barry.

      • nc

        GFSOMSEL, you are trashing the MSM for not being kind to Mitt Romney??
        “Mitt Romney is a liar.” Not the MSM, but Republican Newt Gingrich.
        “Mitt Romney it not fit to be President.” Not the MSM, but Republican Michele Bachmann.
        “Mitt Romney is the worst Republican in the United States.” Not the MSM but Republican Rick Santorum.
        Your problem seems to be the Republicans who know Mitt best and NOT the MSM.

        PS> Rich Perry was just as critical of Mitt but I can’t recall his diss of MITTENS! Maybe you recall his statement!!!!!! NO????? Not surprised that you wouldn’t remember!!!!

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          NC (is that “No Cajones”?), you now join Dave as a certifiable idiot to whom I will no longer respond.

    • Kinetic1

      chuckb and gfsomsel,
      Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I never suggested that the GM plant was gone before Obama gave his speech.

      In February of 2008, candidate Obama said in his speech at the Janesville, Wisconsin GM plant:

      “I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you’ve made — how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you’re churning out,” Obama said. “And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your president.”

      In December 2008, when Bush authorized almost $14 billion in loans to General Motors shut down the Janesville plant because of poor sport-utility vehicle sales. Obama had won the election by this point, but would not be inaugurated for almost a month.

      How can you (or Paul Ryan) say that Obama broke a promise? He gave the workers hope. He suggested that GM could “re-tool and make this transition” with government support. He encouraged GM to take this plant and turn it into a “clean energy” vehicle plant. GM took the government money, but shut the doors on this plant all during the last days of the Bush administration.

  • chuckb

    kinetic 1, here’s barrys exact words:

    “I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you’ve made — how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you’re churning out,” Obama said. “And I believe that if our government is there to support you and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another 100 years.”

    you might as well quit trying to defend barry, he’s a loser

    • Kinetic1

      chuckb,
      Good job on researching Obama’s quote, but again I didn’t say the plant was closed before he gave the speech, but that it was closed before he became president. How can you blame Obama for not keeping a promise he never made, or for allowing a plant to close when he was not in office? I’m not even suggesting that it’s Bush’s fault, but how can you blame a president for something that occurred a month before he was even in office?

  • John W. Howard

    I have a little something for all those Osama lovers from Fact check .org as to how far Osama has put us in debt. To set the record stright.

    http://factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/

    Here’s about health care from both Osama and Romney.

    http://factcheck.org/2012/06/romney-obama-uphold-health-care-falsehoods/

    Finally we come to Mr. Romney.

    http://factcheck.org/2012/08/romneys-impossible-tax-promise/

    With all this we learn politician will say anything to get elected. To bad there is no person who, lets say, has a track record of honesty and has stated the same thing for lets say decades. Dr. Paul we miss you right now!!!!

    J.W.Howard

    • jopa

      J Howard; It looks as though you didn’t read your own fact checks.The fact checks you posted claims Obama was wrongfully blamed for all the spending that was put in place by Bush during his terms and the bills are coming due.That’s something I have been saying all along and it seems to be falling on deaf ears.Thank you for the post.

      • Kathy

        It’s all Oblamer’s fault!! Whine whine whine whine!! He should not have made promises he did not intend to keep (healing the country, bridging the divide, everything being transparent, bills posted on the Internet before being voted on). Hopey changey hopey changey. Those who voted for him were deceived big time and they are too stupid to realize it.

        Maybe we need to have a blue country and a red country and each can take care of itself and govern itself. I’m tired of being dragged down by the “it’s all about me” generation. Pay for your own stuff, save money, live within your means, and stop trying to take the money of people who worked hard, saved their money, and only bought what they can afford. The free lunch is over.

        • gfsomsel

          A two country solution wouldn’t work since the takers need the producers to survive.

          • Kathy

            I know. Had that in mind. But, I thought the red states took in less federal moneys than the blue (liberal) states.

      • John W. Howard

        If you bothered to look close the spending jumped over what Bush had. Even after taking oriface Osama out spent Bush 2 very uncommon for a first year prez. so read closer next time. This was in fighting an undeclared war for Bush 2 and still Osama out spent him I would guess to pay back his friends in banking.

        • gfsomsel

          When will you idiots get it through your thick skulls that it was NOT an undeclared war? Congress authorized the use of force—that is a declaration of war even though those exact terms are not used. The Constitution does not prescribe that certain words must be used to declare war.

      • Kinetic1

        Kathy,
        I assume you are suggesting placing all red states in one block and blue i another so that you can eliminate the “it’s all about me” generation” from your life? Good luck. A quick look at the numbers shows that the red states take a disproportionate share of federal funds. Without the blue states to help pay the bills, I don’t imagine it would last too long.

  • Bob Button

    “So What” Do you really think that people would be electing Republicans like Martinez, Jindal, Walker, Rubio, Corbitt, Rand Paul, Hally, Chris just to name a few, if our message wasn’t getting out. The Republican Party has the best “Bench” of either party right now, and it’s mostly do tom our message being out there. Say thank you Tea Party!

    • gfsomsel

      Thank you, Tea Party (Well, you asked for it).

  • Kathy

    Smilee did the same to me, gfsomsel. “Wrote” something I did not write. Knock it off Smilee!!!

    • gfsomsel

      Smilee is a troll. He doesn’t care that he is in a distinct minority. He simply wants to stir the pot. Democrat disinformation.

    • DaveH

      Kathy,
      Smilee is a lot of things, but he did not misquote “Kathy”. Apparently there are two of you commenting on this page. Perhaps you could further qualify your ID to distinguish yourself?

      • Kathy

        Thanks, Dave! I’ve read most of the posts are replies and did not notice another Kathy. Apologies to Smilee. I signed on last year. Usually they tell you when you’re using a name that someone else is using.

  • John W. Howard

    Bad news for the freedom loving people on this site. From Rand Paul bo is at it again.

    Bureaucrats at the UN are busy working on a UN Gun Ban at the Programme Against Small Arms conference in New York City.

    Speaking for the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton has already given her blessing to this global gun grab, calling for “consensus” in order to “avoid loop-holes.”

    My suspicion is that “loop-holes” for Mrs. Clinton include our Second Amendment.

    Right now, gun grabbers from around the world are in New York City for another week of negotiations.

    They’re working to “build consensus,” and when they’re sure their UN Gun Ban includes the demands of petty tyrants worldwide, I fear that Clinton and Obama will do everything in their power to force it through sometime before the upcoming election.

    This UN Gun Ban would almost certainly FORCE the United States to participate in an international gun registry and could require the confiscation and destruction of ALL “unauthorized” civilian firearms in America.

    Time to get writing petentions and bring heat to bare on congress and the senate.

    • gfsomsel

      The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
      He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
      The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Sessi

      The Constitution of the United States of America. 1998 (elecronic ed.). Oak Harbor WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

      I dont think Bam Bam has much prospect of obtaining a ⅔ majority in the Senate.

      • DaveH

        Don’t kid yourself, gfsomsel. The majority of Congress would love to take our rights away, but they’re being constrained currently by the huge groundswell of opinion against them doing that. All you need do is look at their determination to get control of the Internet, and the passage of the NDAA even after a large number of people caught on to the “indefinite detention” provisions and raised hell.
        Like sharks, the Leaders are smelling blood, the blood of Total Control, and they are currently in a frenzy to implement that Total Control.

      • DaveH

        Speaking of guns. Where does Romney stand?
        http://gunowners.org/2012presidential.htm

        • John W. Howard

          Mtt Romney D- well he did BAN semi-auto in Mass during his time in oriface. Only one man in that list made an A+ Dr. Paul.

          • gfsomsel

            Dr. Paul is one of many who make an A+ on my “Idiot’s List.”

          • John W. Howard

            We were writing about gun rights score card, you know freedom insurance. For future reference.

          • gfsomsel

            Well, Ron Paul is on my “Idiot’s List” because of his isolationist foreign policy views. It occurred to me that you might have been speaking just as well of his son Rand Paul for whom I have a great deal of respect (though his emails regarding the UN and gun rights tend to be a bit alarmist).

          • John W. Howard

            Isolationist foreign policy? $16 trillion in debt we can’t afford to police the world. Second we need to stop forgien aid. Third I don’t want my grandchildren fighting a war being ordered by UN officers or taking a chance of dieing for a policy that puts us where we don’t belong.

            My family has three generations of military. My father, myself, and my son. My son spent two tours in Iraq, by the grace of God he came home whole, so I have a little different view than you may have.

            J.W.Howard

        • gfsomsel

          He says he supports the right to keep and bear arms. Justice Scalia commented that by that provision it would not be acceptable for one to have a howitzer which is something I have said for at least 5-6 years. I believe that he may have had a slightly different opinion at one time, but I do allow for a person to change his mind. Time will tell whether it is a true change of mind or whether it’s political posturing.

      • DaveH

        gfsomsel says — “Well, Ron Paul is on my “Idiot’s List” because of his isolationist foreign policy views”.
        Well, gfs, I guess that makes you the “idiot”, because Ron Paul is NOT an isolationist. He is a Non-Interventionist. He wants to Trade Freely and Voluntarily with other nations, rather than at the point of a gun like the Military Statists want.
        There are so many books out there that reveal the true reasons for US military involvement, and they aren’t because they’re fighting for “Freedom” or “Democracy”.
        Here is just one that should open your eyes, and it’s easy to read. All you need do is put down your Greek books, and start reading:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          If Ron Paul isn’t an isolationist, he has a lot of people fooled. What a whiner. I expect him to break out in tears any minute.

      • DaveH

        People testing in the 90th percentile are in the minority (by far). Does that make them wrong, George?
        Ron Paul an isolationist?
        http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/01/29/i-like-george-washington-except-on-foreign-policy/

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          I don’t know who, if anyone, brought up IQ tests, but, yes, Ron Paul is an isolationist.

    • DaveH

      Get us out of the UN!
      It is a governing body created BY Leaders FOR Leaders. The Leaders would like nothing better than to centralize Government in the UN so that it is nearly impossible for us to unseat them.
      If you think the Federal Government is uncontrollable, imagine how it will be when the UN takes our Sovereignty away.

      • John W. Howard

        Amen

      • gfsomsel

        I don’t necessarily advocate getting us out of the UN though I do think some drastic changes are in order. Today it’s the UN against us and Israel. That needs to change. The US supplies most of the funds for the UN—I think that dues should be assessed on a per capita basis so that if you don’t pay your dues you aren’t a member which would change the balance of power. That would decrease our burden considerably. Perhaps there should be a surcharge for Security Council membership though. Otherwise, I would not only recommend getting out of the UN but getting the UN out of the US.

      • Kathy

        Scary thought! Oblamer’s going to take the guns away through the back door approach. Render a country defenseless, then take over. That’s what Hitler did. Could be harder here as a much bigger country and lots of dear folks in Montana, Wyoming, Texas etc are not going to give up their guns without a fight.

      • DaveH

        Read this to see how the UN got its devious beginnings:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/While%20You%20Slept.pdf

  • chuckb

    smilee’s batteries are running low. he’ll get charged up when the inmates have their convention. “happy days are here again.”
    i

  • jopa

    Breaking News; Romney goes to New Orleans to help out hurricane victims.A lady that just lost her home to the storm was telling Romney of her situation and he told her to go home and call 211.This guy is so out of touch after being walled up in his castles for too long.He should just hang it up and take his horse out dancing.A little Cha Cha Cha may be good for him.

  • chuckb

    jopa, you stayed up too late last night, 211 is an emergency number in louisiana, romney was correct, however, it does show how the liberals get their stories all screwed up. accuse before the facts are known.

    • LC

      The poor womans story fell on deaf ears and then retorted by the blind! GO HOME TO CALL 211??? What home? Please reread and readdress.

      • gfsomsel

        Pick up your bed and walk.

    • jopa

      chuckb;There is a 211 help center for non emergency calls in Louisiana, however she still didn’t have several back up homes like Romney to go and make the call.

      • gfsomsel

        We live in an age of cell phones. Furthermore, there are undoubtedly other places where she could have used a phone (there are even still a few public phones). It is common parlance to say “Go home and call” even when one need not go anywhere to place a call.

  • chuckb

    jopa, romney advised her correctly, her emergency was being homeless and that’s excactly where she could find the help she needed.

    i’m really surprised, you sound envious of romney, “he has several homes to go to” if you had the money he has how many homes would you own? (as many as you wanted) that’s life, some can and some cannot, i’m one of the cannots, however, i don’t envy those that have. i have tried all my life to obtain riches and wealth avoided me, yet i don’t blame you for that and i certainly don’t envy romney or bill clinton or the kennedys and by the way how many homes does bill and hillary own? check that one out.

    if you investigate 211 in louisiana, it also advises help for homeless people, your liberal website only prints what they want people to hear, telling her to go home and call 211 could mean anything, what would you have said? under the circumstances what’s he going to tell her here’s a quarter go to the nearest phone booth.

    where was barry? oh, playing golf, i see, and it wasn’t in louisiana, oh, he will be there monday, now isn’t that nice, do you remember what they did to george bush when he flew over louisiana , well, where’s the outcry now, oh, barry is their messiah all he has to do is say i’m thinking of you and that makes everything kosher.

    this is only the media trying to cover for barry.

    • Kathy

      Good post, Chuckb! I think the clintons only have one house as they lived in govment housing for years. Porkball Teddy Kennedy had several. I wonder how much money Teddy’s poor and down trodden constituents received from his big estate. The rich politicans and hollywood freaks that are encouraging the unwashed OWS are probably in or close to be in the 1% that the OWS are protesting against.

      Slightly off topic. I always liked Meryl Streep, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon and a few others. Now I won’t go to their movies and I refuse to support their liberal agenda. Upside, save time and money.

      • chuckb

        kathy, i do the same.

      • MikeR

        Kathy: Me too. I won’t watch a Sean Penn, Samuel Jackson, Danny Glover, or Ellen Barkin movie, even if it’s free on tv.

      • DaveH

        I wouldn’t fret, guys. Anybody who gets their political views from movies is hopelessly lost to reason anyway.

  • jopa

    chuckb Where was Barry? I believe he was at Fort Sill with the troops at the time.To address gfsomsel, the picture I have seen of the devastation with power poles down I believe cel phones and land lines would also have been out of order.There is no outcry due to the actions of our President in that he had alerted FEMA before the disaster and they were on the ground.He had people monitoring the construction of the dikes and they did hold in most areas and there was no major loss of life or property.Even today if you were to drive through areas of New Orleans the locals could point out the devastation of the Bush years.We sure don’t need a repeat of that disaster.

  • chuckb

    come on jopa, if romney happened to be president at this time, the media would destroy him just like they did bush if he had not rushed down tio louisiana. i really don’t know why they expect presidents to be there anyway, there’s absolutely nothing they could do . however the media has a double standard.

  • LC

    Mostly PR, trying to show their faux concern for humanity. In this case, truly what is the point. Although his response was accurate for her immediate concerns, it lacked the humanity that one human should show for any other. I’m hoping that any of our responses, haven taken the time to put ourselves in these surrounds, would have been to at least ask if we could make a call for her or help her to locate emergency personnel so as to direct her to a shelter, if she so desired to want some.

    • gfsomsel

      I guess when Bam Bam spoke with a woman who asked about whether her quite elderly mother could get a pacemaker he showed a lot of concern when he said that she should simply “take a pill” that he was showing a lot more concern than Romney with this woman.

      • LC

        As I’m sure that both of these examples are taken out of context, which are not registering on my need to research list at this moment, my answer to your query would be; NO. I see both as just as unsympathetic and more than sure that they are ‘conditioned reponses’.
        It is funny though that if a person shows concern for another it is automatically presumed that they would be afflilated with Oblamer, OWS or some other form of socialistic belief.
        Is that to say that neither of you have helped another in your entire life? Certainly not. Albeit it does fall heavily into the social realm, don’t let that be confused with humanity.
        If you must know,and to put your further assumptions to rest, I like what I have researched on Johnson so far. If his convictions continue to match his platform he will be winning my trust. Barring a heavy movement by the people for justice and the possible re-emergence of Ron Paul to the race.

        • gfsomsel

          Are you really determined to waste your vote on someone who cannot possibly win the election? You might as well vote for Obama since you will get that if enough voters elect to vote for the one they feel is “most perfect” rather than the one among the options who is better and can win.

  • chuckb

    good one gfsomel.however, your getting off the subject, remember they are interested in trashing romney, barry is off limits.

    • gfsomsel

      Like hell he is.

    • gfsomsel

      And don’t forget how Waters in a hearing with oil company executives let the cat out of the bag saying that they wanted to “socialize” their companies though she quickly changed that to “nationalize.” I suppose “nationalize” is supposed to sound different from “socialize.”

      • jopa

        gfsom :kind of like Romney the other day when he referred to America as a company.Watch for your pink slip or job opportunity in China.You know how he loves to destroy companies and the ones that he doesn’t like Staples, enjoy your minimum wage job.

        • gfsomsel

          You have allowed yourself to be deceived by Dumb-Old-Rat progaganda. That is pure Barbara Streisand. Get your head out of that dark hole.

        • Kathy

          Why are people working in minimum wage jobs like Staples, Starbucks etc???? Because they major in soft subjects in college. My nephew is a good example. Majored in English and is working at Starbucks. He will be 26 in January. My husband is an engineer and most of the people he works with are from China, India and other countries where they major in Engineering, mathematics and other marketable subjects. The majority of the graduate students at our top engineering schools (NYC, MIT, RPI, Princeton, Georgia Tech, Stanford) are foreign students. That’s another reason why the jobs are going overseas. They are going where the knowledge is.

          Another reason jobs are going overseas, is people shop at Walmart for cheaper products and they are made in other countries.

          We can’t really blame the politicians or business people for loss of jobs. Those who major in subjects where there is no demand or buy cheap foreign products are to blame.

          “We have met the enemy and it is us”

          • gfsomsel

            True to a point. I don’t fault those who study subjects such as English, but there are those who “study” in such fields as “Women’s Studies” and “Black Studies” which are simply about subjects related to “Community Organizing” and are of little use for anything. The classic Liberal Arts curriculum is still of value and little appreciated. It becomes evident when posters can’t write a coherent sentence and make frequent misspellings and the use of inappropriate homonyms.

      • DaveH

        Kathy,
        If the Politicians didn’t provide easy money for College students, they would be forced to consider the economics of their Major choices. It almost ALWAYS goes back to Government Meddling.
        Government spends 40% of our GDP, and much of that money is used to meddle in the Marketplace with regulations, quotas, subsidies, tariffs, licensing, and other protective rules meant to favor those who are politically connected over those who are just trying to do their jobs of pleasing their consumers.
        That is why we are in the mess we’re in. People can simply study this ranking of countries by their level of Economic Freedom to see the indisputable fact that Government grows inversely to the growth of the economy. The Bigger Government gets, the Smaller the Economy gets:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

  • DaveH

    Here’s what the “Pretty Good Party” is doing to deprive you of choice:
    “In recent weeks, with the full support and legal assistance of the Republican Party, [Gary] Johnson’s ballot status has been challenged in Michigan, Pennsylvania, the District of Columbia, Iowa and now Ohio”.

    • gfsomsel

      Good, we don’t need a second Ross Perot.

      • John W. Howard

        No we don’t need another Ross Perot but we also don’t need the DemoCRIP and ReBLOODlican gangs fighting for the republic either. We do need Dr. Ron Paul/Jesse Ventura running for office to clean up the mess the DemoCRIPS and ReBLOODlicans have made of the USA.

        This country has been going down hill sense 1860 with the election of Lincoln “We the People” have not been in charge of the republic. We got lazy at self governing so we have what we have today. $16 trillion in debt, NDAA, North Comm., Violation of the 4th amendment, the 5th amendment,6th amendment, second amendment, first amendment, 10th amendment military on the streets of the US, government interfirence of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, etc,.What will it take to wake people up to the crimes of the two parties againist the people of this republic!?

        • gfsomsel

          Apparently you/re determined that you won’t vote for anyone that you don’t feel is absolutely, 100% pure in your mind. You refuse to vote for the one who is better than the worst. Now you can feel all righteous knowing that you have been totally principled in your vote. What may result from your being so totally principled in your own mind is that you will be given the worst choice and it will be your fault.

          • John W. Howard

            100% pure???? Noone is 100% pure, Jesus yes but noone else. I refuse to vote for the lessor of two evils and play the same game that gave us Nixon,McGovern, Ford, Carter, Regan, Bush 1,Slick Willie, Dole, Bush 2, McCain, Osama for only a few examples of failures to follow the constitution. Not to mention the congress and senate. Either party is corrupt and I refuse to be a party to expanding a lie any longer I mean where does it end with us loosing the country.

            As far as principled goes if more people were principled in this country we would not be in the mess we are in, We need more principled people who refuse to be dupted, Who still believe this is the nation we fought for in 1776. Who believe public servants are just that servants who take there orders from the people; not masters who tell the people they’ll take it and like it.

            J.W.Howard

            The government, of a free people have no secrets from the people.

          • gfsomsel

            Politics is the realm of the possible, not the realm of absolute purity (or as near to it as man can come). If you vote for someone who is totally unelectable then you don’t vote for the one possible who is better than his opponent. You then are responsible for the election of the worst candidate. So go ahead, vote your conscience despite the fact that you know that your man cannot get elected and that you will aid in the election of the worst possible candidate. You don’t need to be concerned about the welfare of your country. You only need to be convinced that you voted your conscience.

          • John W. Howard

            I thought that way for John McCain. Osama got elected. I’m tired of voting for the lessor of two evils. I refuse to support EVIL. If you knowingly vote for the lessor of two evils you are stating you support evil. Is this what you are stating? Face it if enough of us take the same action we just might end the rein of evil it just takes principles.

          • gfsomsel

            No, it doesn’t just take principles. It takes votes.

          • MikeR

            John W: Thank you for staying home on election day. You are really too stupid to vote.

          • John W. Howard

            Dear Mike R I don’t like to get personal, so I won’t. I won’t make comments like you are a product of dubious K nine linage, or have had a socially unacceptable relation with your mother. No I won’t say those things but having been to Oxford, MIT, and Georgia Tech I can say your mentality amuses me greatly. BTW I will be voting this election.

          • gfsomsel

            Go ahead, vote! If you aren’t going to vote for either Obama or Romney, your vote is of no consequence. You might as well throw it in the trash can. All you are doing is massaging your conscience. I would call that STUPID!

          • John W. Howard

            Stupid no protesting the RNC rules change yes. I don’t like being used by people who violate the constitution. I do mean both parties. BTW Popular votes don’t count for the presidential election it’s all in the electoral college if you didn’t know.

            Yes I was at Oxford to do personal research, at MIT as an engineer for an aerospace firm to do research, and Georgia Tech as a little kid in the very early ’60′s to see one of the first electric computers. Yes electric not electronic as electronic’s were a few years away at that time.

            J.W.Howard

          • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

            I’ll agree that both parties have violated the Constitution, but we cannot seek absolute purity. Politics is the art of the possible, not the ideal (as Plato would have put it TO ONTWS WN—”the really real”). I’m well aware that Electoral College votes are what count in a Presidential election and have known that since grade school (They actually taught those things when I was in school). It is incorrect, however, to say that the popular vote doesn’t count. If a candidate receives the majority of the popular vote in an election the electors of THE STATE WHERE HE RECEIVES THE POPULAR VOTE are assigned to that candidate (This is something of a change from the original situation where the state legislatures were more influential).

          • John W. Howard

            Two examples would be Kennedy/Nixon and Gore/Bush when the popular vote was disregarded. The states still have the right to disregard the popular vote even the choice of a senator. It doesn’t happen but is still possible.

          • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

            BTW: You remind me of Gatsby in The Great Gatsby. He said he had been to Oxford. Others assumed that meant he had studied there, but we find out later that he had simply visited Oxford. Well, I did STUDY in college, seminary and Claremont Graduate.

          • MikeR

            John W: I assume that you were delivering pizza to Oxford, MIT, and Georgia Tech. There’s nothing wrong with that. I love pizza.

      • DaveH

        Apparently gfsomsel, MikeR, and George Somsel’s Principles can be sold to the highest bidder.
        Unfortunately, they are in the majority still. And I imagine all of them wonder why this country is a mess, even though they’ve been doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results each time.
        It’s just a fact of life that if you head East, you will never get to a destination North of you. But apparently those 3, and the large number of people like them, still haven’t figured that out.
        “How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think” — Hitler.

        I vote only for Principled Leaders, as I know that Government will not ever become Smaller or more Law-abiding until we elect Politicians who really do want to Shrink Government and take it back to obeying the Constitution.

      • DaveH

        MikeR says — “You are really too stupid to vote”.
        You could remedy that, Mike, put down the mirror.

      • DaveH

        As it turns out, gfsomsel, and George Somsel are the same person. Split personality?

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Not like Ron Paul.

      • DaveH

        In what way, George?
        How come you Paul besmirchers rarely dare to get specific? Is it because you know you will be made to look like the ignorant people that you are?

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Dave, once someone fully reveals himself as being a certifiable idiot, I don’t care to converse with him. Mike has already said that he is through with you and now it’s my turn. BTW: I wouldn’t put too much stock in what you read on that mieses.org site. They’re kind of whacko like you.

      • LC

        Fathoms of visions,
        buried within them,
        resting of soul.
        Secluded in shelter,
        waning another,
        bitterness foretold.
        Tranquil in protection,
        torment of rejection,
        courage in fear.
        Despair to share,
        illusion forgotten,
        kindred begotten.

    • LC

      Amazing! They either feel that Romney’s showing isn’t strong enough to beat Obama, or they’re witnessing a great deal of third party support regardless of the candidate. Either way, to pursue actions like these within their own party, really makes me question the agenda they are determined to keep. What’s their next move murder? Still waiting on a false flag attempt by Oblamer, but then again they both answer to the same higher ups. I guess it just depends which way the polls are leaning as we near the deadline.

    • MikeR

      I like both Gary Johnson and Ron Paul. But the people have spoken. We have only two choices in November: A lying weasel who is a socialist, and a very decent man who is a capitalist. I will choose decency and capitalism.

      • DaveH

        No, there is a third choice, for those who have enough sense to know that Government will never get smaller until we elect people who advocate that:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrU6hTWyj6s

        • MikeR

          DaveH: Gary Johnson is not a third choice. To be a choice, he would have to have a real chance of winning. Sure, Johnson will get some votes. But if you put the names of Elvis, Mickey Mouse, and Spiderman on the ballot, they would also get some votes. So what?

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          You’re not going to elect anyone so long as you continue to support those who have no support among the general public. As I said previously, if you want to build a Libertarian Party, you must begin at the local level to garner support then build it up into a national force otherwise you’re just another Don Quixote tilting at windmills.

      • DaveH

        Due to the lack of exposure, both Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, may not be able to win. Most likely the Crony Capitalists will once again succeed in leading the Sheeple around by the nose.
        But I will always vote for Principle, win or lose, in the same way that I will always do my best on any test, regardless if I sacrifice popularity with the mass of ignorant people.

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Well, you just failed this test. You’re being held back a grade.

      • DaveH

        For Free Markets (things the Crony Capitalists despise), Individual Freedom (things the Neocons despise), Personal Responsibility (that which Social Liberals despise), Limited Government (that which Crony Capitalists, Military Statists, Liberals, and other Progressives despise), and the PEACE that comes with voluntary exchange among the people, and not trying to fit all people into the same shoes — Vote Libertarian!
        http://www.lp.org/platform

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          There you go again with your utterly stupid talk about neocons. I don’t suppose you wish to define the term?

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Or perhaps the problem is that you CAN’T define “neocon” since you don’t know yourself what it means.

      • DaveH

        I consider them to be the other side of the Progressive Coin, George, as opposed to flat-out Liberal Progressives.
        http://mises.org/daily/5635/Neoconservatism-Taken-Down

        Have you read the “A Century of War” yet? Or is it that you prefer to swelter in your Ignorance?

        • MikeR

          Blah, blah, blah. You can reference all of the sites you want, but that won’t change the fact that we have only two viable choices on Nov. 6, Obama or Romney. This conversation isn’t going anywhere, and we are both repeating ourselves. I’m done with you.

      • LC

        There’s nothing wrong with that. I’m glad that you feel he’s appropreiately handsome and satisfies you adequately.

  • chuckb

    jopa, you mean to infer romney is going to cut back wages, how do you think he will get away with that. you mean we can expect these trough feeders working for the government will have to come down off the perch. i think private industry will pay for what they get, i always did,. our problem in this country is unions and unionized state and fed workers. we have half the people living off some kind of so called entitlement. this administration has allowed the country to be flooded by illegals, now don’t tell me bush did the same thing, he didn’t, i didn’t like bushs comprehensive reform bill for immigration., however, he didn’t sue the states that are trying to protect their borders..

    the justice dept.has stopped voter id, i wonder why? wages are not the issue the security of this country is. barry and the bolsheviks are depending on this illegal vote for this election. if barry gets back in, you won’t have to worry about minimum wage, there won’t be any wage, there won’t be any work.
    now think about something else, all these illegals are un-employed, the welfare recipients have lost their dole, the government is broke, now what do you think is going to happen.
    you got a glimpse in watts and in new orleans during the hurricane, riots and looters, every big city in this country is like a ticking bomb..i believe this is why the republicans haven’t called for impeaching barry, they are afraid too. so as i see it, wages are not the issue, barry is. he has to be removed, we cannot survive another four years..
    roosevelt started the entitlement program during the last depression, this nation survived for one reason only and that was ww2. roosevelt was heading for a wreck until pearl harbor came along. un-employment was not dropping in fact was around 14-19% in 1940.
    the socialist programs of roosevelt birthed the entitlement society, now look at it.
    this nation needs romney, he has the business sense to correct the erring ways of this administration. barry is not qualified for the position he is in. in plain words he is an arrogant ass and should be kicked out of the white house along with his mooching wife.
    sorry jopa, i don’t mean any offense to you. i like your humor and at the same time can’t understand your backing such a loser.

  • Kathy

    gfsomsel is absolutely right. Don’t waste a vote on Paul. You’ll be giving Obama the election. That’s what Ross Perot did to George Bush Sr and ushered in the Clinton era, Monica and all. I would rather have had Newt as I feel he can best smack down Oblamer and send him to his room without supper. But, I’m not going to whine about it. Romney will get my vote.

    • MikeR

      My biggest objection with Newt as President would have been Calista as First Lady. Yikes!
      Newt was cheating with her when his wife had cancer. Character matters.

      • gfsomsel

        It would appear that Newt has come to his senses and changed his life. I do believe in a person’s being able to do that. Some kids “sow their wild oats then change. Some are a bit older before they change. Then some never change.

      • Kathy

        It’s a good thing we didn’t get Mr Family Values, John Edwards, then!! If character matters, we shouldn’t have had Kennedy, LBJ, FDR, Nixon,Clinton, and Obama. According to Jackie Gingrich (columnist on Townhall), her father did not cheat on her mother while she had cancer. They were separated before she developed a benign tumor and Newt’s first wife is still alive. Maybe Calista looks like a barbie doll, but we’re not electing anyone’s wife. At least Newt loves this country, which more than any of us can say about our current incumbent.

        Anyone who refuse to vote because the Republican candidate isn’t perfect (are any of us perfect?) is a fool. A NO VOTE is a vote for Obama.

    • LC

      Unfortunately, Kathy you are probably correct. Third party more than likely won’t carry this election. I am excited about 2016 though. We just might have witnessed the birth of a legitimate third party. The Libertarian party!! GEORGE is accurate also about starting from the bottom up. That’s just the proper sequence of things. Although, I do believe we need to keep the youth of this movement excited. They are the roots, thanx to Dr Paul. He has always said how important integrity is, not only in the candidates but also in the American people. I believe that !!! Romney’s campaign and the RNC split the voting delegates. Plain and simple. Call it pompous,calculated or whatever it was their mindfully, decided actions. It will more than likely cost them the majority. They deliberately chose Romney because he best fits in with Obama’s platform and stance on the issues. I’m guessing the thinking here was, if this is what the people will get behind , here’s this is who we have to offer.They feel very adement about their chose. I don’t! One in the same, in my eyes! I will be siding with my integrity as a show to Dr. Paul that his teachings have not been wasted.
      side note if anyone is interested to know, Ron Paul.com mentions the possibility of an Indepedent run. He posted a poll to judge the strength of support.

      • Kathy

        LC, the time to push for Libertarian or any other 3rd party was the day after the inauguration in January 2009. Many would say, the day after the election, but some of us felt we owed it to Oblamer to give him a chance. That lasted less than 24 hours. Starting a push for a 3rd party candidate when it cheek to jowl to the election is foolish. We don’t have a popular vote system, so it’s really throwing away the vote. In other words, you can pat yourself on the back with righteous indignation over Romney and Oblamer, but your vote meant nothing. Give a second term to Oblamer and you can be proud you helped turn the final pages toward Marxism and the end of our country as we are familiar with, enjoy, but have taken for granted. The 2116 election, you’ll only be voting for one person.

        Our police and secret service and military will continue to be weakened and lose power. Only thugs will have guns. The media has already been manipulated. The powers that be have been pushing for control of the Internet and Fox News will probably disappear. Welcome to the world of Chavez!!

        So vote for Donald Duck. Remember you will impact everyone by your foolish choice.

        My theory is the push for Ron Paul has been well crafted to dilute the Republican vote.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002684651114 Barney Murrell

    If Romney and Ryan succeed in turning back the clock 100+ years then all those in support of it should be made aware of what they are turning it to.

    Conservative claims of American socialism are just another lie designed by wealthy plutocrats to convince the gullible that government programs for middle-class and low-income are “socialist” and bad; and that tax cuts for the wealthy and business subsides are good. Did you ever, for example, in the last forty years see a new ball stadium built without taxpayer money?

    From 1776 onward America has, in general, been guided by plutocrats and their conservative philosophy of small government that promised ethics, morality, and justice, but delivered instead pain, misery, and injustice to all but plutocrats and others at the economic top; and has therefore proven unsuitable as the governing philosophy for all Americans.

    A weak federal government encouraged southern conservative states to become American traitors by withdrawing from the Union in order to perpetuate slavery and state rights (there at it again). Low pay and lack of a “safety net” encouraged child labor and efforts to end it were called “communist” and “socialist”. Visual proof of conservative encouraged – by small government ideology – racism and child labor can be seen by searching for “lynching photography in America” and Lewis Hines “Child Labor in America 1908-1912.”

    U.S. veterans have not been spared from conservatisms heavy hand of oppression as a search on “Bonus Army” shows how, in the summer of 1932, Republican President Hoover used tear gas and the Army with fixed bayonets to run WWI veterans and their wives and children out of Washington after thousands of desperate veterans from around the country refused to disperse after being denied early payment of a bonus promised them for their WWI service.

    FDR’s 1930s economic and social reforms made it possible for a large middle-class to exist; however, wealth once again began to “trickle-up” between 1979 and 2007. After tax income changed per Congressional Budget Office Data between these years as follows:

    * Income of wealthiest 20 percent increased from 43 percent to 53 percent of all income

    * Within that 20 percent the after tax income of top 1percent increased from 8 percent to 17 percent

    * The bottom 80 percent’s share of all U.S. income went down

    (http://www.cbo.gov/publication/42537)

    Thus, “trickle up” of wealth proves the conservative threat of socialism in America is just another lie – except that socialism for the top 20% of taxpayers continues to exist.

    Therefore, as the Republican Party continues to embrace the ideology of conservative plutocrats it remains a party of “pain and misery” for most Americans and none can show otherwise.

    • gfsomsel

      Let’s forget about labels such as “socialist” for a moment. The real problem is that there are certain enumerated powers granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution. There is also the 10th Amendment which states “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

      The Constitution of the United States of America. 1998 (elecronic ed.). Oak Harbor WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

      This means that, if a power is not specified as belonging to the Federal Government, either (1) no governmental power or private person has that right OR (2) those powers belong to the individual states or, not being prohibited to the states and but not claimed by the state entities) belong to the people.

      The problem is that the Federal government has infringed upon the realm of both the individual states and the realm of the people. When any government entity assumes the responsibility to appropriate funds for any activity, it limits the freedom of the people in that area. What we have thus is a government which has made us less free. We are used to calling the US “the land of the free”, but it is becoming ever less free.

      • Smilee

        What states rights have been infringed on and what personal ones?? I do not think you know of what you speak!!

        • gfsomsel

          That’s because you don’t know much of anything. You’re about as dumb as a doorknob. It does no good to correct you since you come back with the same damned garbage.

    • MikeR

      I suspect that your definition of a ‘plutocrat’ is anyone who has more money than you. Why do you care how much money wealthy people have? How does that take money out of your pocket? Most ‘poor’ people in this country have a better lifestyle than middle-class people in most of the world. Most of America’s poor have dwellings with airconditioning and heat, modern appliances, hot and cold running water, an adequate food supply, access to medical care, and either a vehicle to drive or public transportation.

  • LC

    gfsomsel; I don’t view Romney as being ‘much better’. Actually I feel he would accelerate the pawning off of America to his greater list of elites. He’s not opposed to the NDAA or the Patriot Act. I’m simply not comfortable with any candidate that has little or no concern for our civil liberties. Especially in these times of growing civil unrest.
    I also believe the only reason Obama won 2008 was his platform of “CHANGE”. America is ready for change! They bought into Obama and have been dissapointed once again. I believe that the growing momentum that was witnessed during the caucas for Ron Paul is testimony that, more so now than ever, the American people are fed up with the lack of cooperation and bickering between dems and reps. Even at the state level we’ve seen quite afew supposed teaparty types make it into the senate during the last cycle.
    A third party candidate, especially one as convicted as Paul, stands a real good chance this time around. I believe we will see stronger numbers, than ever before for third party, just because of the way the RNC railroaded Paul. He was one of their own, and if they could treat him and his family with that much disrespect, it just shows how unprofessional and unworthy of respect they are. Plus the RNC’s own actions of trying to prevent any future third party candidates. Americans love choice, don’t even try taking that away from them.
    Granted there is a growing concern about unsustainable medicare twenty years from now. Thats when our number of seniors will double for a thirty year cycle. However the reason they are addressing this now is more based on demographic than anything alse.
    The number of citizens 50+. who have stronger shows in the polls. equals 37% of the population and about 50% of those who are of voting age. So it’s no coincedence that both platforms are centered around medicare.
    The younger 50%, although weaker in the polls, are more internet connected as a resource of information, ie., not as influenced by MSM. I know this is just my personal opinion but considering
    the discontent of the older 50%, coupled with the internet smearing Romneys’ campaign for the mistreatment/illegal actions, the momentum of Paul and those willing to vote third party, protest groups looking for a viable alternate candidate, millions concerned with gov’ts infringement on our civil liberties, concerns for our troops lives being wasted on war, gov’t spending especially on war, combined with my own person conviction that if I vote the most likely candidate to address these issues and do right by all Americans, my vote is not wasted!

    • gfsomsel

      You have fallen prey to the Dumb-Old-Rat agenda of divide and conquer. Divide the rich from the not so rich. Divide the blacks from the caucasians. Divide the hispanics from both. Divide men from women. In your case, you’re hung up on wealth.

      14You shall not covet your neighbor’s house: you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female slave, or his ox or his ass, or anything that is your neighbor’s.

      Jewish Publication Society. (1985). Tanakh: The Holy Scriptures (Ex 20:14). Philadelphia: Jewish Publication Society.

      • DaveH

        Big Government has created all those things in their efforts to feather their own nests and use the rest of us as dupes to delude us into thinking that we can’t live without their “wisdom”.
        You really need to do some reading, George.
        Here’s a good place to start:
        http://mises.org/

    • MikeR

      LC: I predict that when Ron Paul is on Jay Leno he will say something demeaning about Romney, and prove himself to be the vindictive loser that I know he is. There is nothing revolutionary or courageous about either you or Ron Paul. A vote for Ron Paul is one less vote for Romney, which is the same thing as one more vote for Obama. A vote for Ron Paul isn’t a vote for ‘principles’, it is a vote for national suicide. If history remembers Ron Paul for anything, it will be that he made it possible for socialists and communists to completely destroy what was once the greatest nation in history. You can tell your children that you assisted in that destruction.

      • DaveH

        Drama King.

        • MikeR

          DaveH: You would probably see the world differently if you didn’t live in your grandmother’s basement.

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          Dave, you’re a jerkoff.

      • DaveH

        If Mitt loses, it will be because he only offers more of the same old Crony Capitalism that has ruined our once great country. He really is just Obama-Lite. You zealots shall continue trying to make silk purses out of Sow’s Ears, but I won’t.
        Unfortunately, whether we end up with Mitt or Obama, I, and people like me, will have to suck it up and live with 4 more years of ignorant people running our lives.

        • MikeR

          DaveH: Don’t worry, DaveH, Romney isn’t going to take your bong away from you. You will still be free to live in your grandmother’s basement with your computer, your video games, and your comic books.

      • DaveH

        I have never used illegal drugs, Mike. I don’t smoke. I rarely even have a can of beer (maybe once a year). I have two 4-year degrees, honors in both. And I’m a bit of a health-food nut.
        I don’t know or care what your vices are. The only thing that concerns me is your extreme ignorance.

        • MikeR

          DaveH: If it’s true that you have two degrees, then our universities are in worse shape than they used to be. You should demand a refund.

      • DaveH

        What I would expect from an ignoramus such as yourself, Mike.

      • LC

        I believe my friend you have it backwards. If you vote for either of these two men your bringing this country closer to socialsm. First and foremost on the platform is SOCIAL HEALTH CARE could that be any clearer. Removing the freedoms (liberties) of the people. Both men SUPPORT limiting our freedom. NDAA, PATRIOT ACT, TARP. Could it be any clearer they are the same and yes they both will eventually lead us closer to SOCIALISM. I can’t believe you people are this dense. Let me put it another way.
        DEMOCRACY= FREEDOM,LIBERTY,CHOICE,JUSTICE.
        1)I smoke. you don’t. the day that you ask gov’t to rule over our choices and (in this case the majority) decide for you. you have infringed and allowed gov’t to remove some of my freedom.
        2)the day that your group who doesn’t believe in abortion solicits the gov’t. if they decide for you they and you have just infringed on someone else’s freedom of choice
        3)the day that a group asks the gov’t to remove public displayed beliefs of religion. if the gov’t agrees that group just removed a freedom.
        4)if a group of people approach the gov’t and say we would feel safer if their was less guns gov’t says ok that group has effectively deminished freedom.
        Is any of this making sense yet.Because we are so diverse and because every little group needs to be validated we lose more and more all the time. EACH AND EVERY TIME.
        So go ahead people keep crying and whining like little babies.If you don’t want to solve your own problems or look the other way and let everyone make their own choices regardless if you like them or not. YOU F’ING PEOPLE ARE BEGGING THE GOV’T TO CONTROL US. The gov’t cannot please and rule on every little difference in our society without infringing on someone elses freedom. It never was their place to begin with. everyone was excepted to live within the perameters and get along some how..THATS IT!! So really the gov’t is now following the peoples lead. And in so doing they are fatting their fortune’s at our expense because basically if we ARE GOING TO ACT LIKE LITTLE CHILDREN WHO WANT THE GOV’T TO HAVE A RULING ON EVERY DAMN THING. AND HAVE CONTROL OVER EVERY DAMN THING. BECAUSE BOOWHOOWHOO…..Do you get it society is WANTING socialism in their eyes.
        So hey thanx Mike and everyone else who has brought that to my attention.Sorry we don’t agree. When i say less gov’t I mean less interference into our daily lives. You people want more validation with your PC bull. But hey you know,whatever, the only candidates that could even have a chance to save us from OUR SELVES would be the ones who are going to rectify the constitution and bill of rights and butt the hell out of our lives and those WE are bothering over seas. STOP ASKING THEM TO SETTLE EVERY LITTLE GRIEVANCE, WE NEED CANDIDATES WHO DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING “THE UNITED STATES WAS FOUND ON RELIGIOUS FREEEDOM AND YOUR MORE THAN WELCOME TO EXPRESS AND BELIEVE YOURS BUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS STAYS. WE SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLIGANCE IN SCHOOL AND IF YOU DON’T WANT YOUR CHILD TO DO SO SHE CAN WAIT IN THE HALL. NO WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE ‘GOD’ OUT DEAL WITH IT. NO SORRY IT’S A FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM AND YOU WENT BROKE. Which should have been an easy one but gov’t themselves promoted it. So they really couldn’t turn their back and say oops my bad. My view is this if we keep doing it and allowing gov’t to keep doing the same way, staying the course, we will become a socialist republic. Good luck voting the lesser of two evils and be sure to stay on course, THAT’S GOOD LITTLE BOYS AND GIRLS!! HERE’S A ICE CREAM
        NOW GO PLAY NICE!!!!!!!!!!!

  • chuckb

    barney murrell says,

    U.S. veterans have not been spared from conservatisms heavy hand of oppression as a search on “Bonus Army” shows how, in the summer of 1932, Republican President
    Hoover used tear gas and the Army with fixed bayonets to run WWI veterans and their wives and children out of Washington after thousands of desperate veterans from around the country refused to disperse after being denied early payment of a bonus promised them for their WWI service.

    your version of this incident is not quite accurate. the majority of the protestors were disbanded and left after their demands were turned down by congress, about twenty thousand remained and were no different than the wall street occupiers, they were mixed with communist agitators and were threatening insurrection , in 1924 congress gave ww1 veterans a bonus bond that would be payable in 1945, the depression was on and the vets most were out of work and they demanded payment immediately. they were getting out of hand and that’s when the troops were sent in to remove them. the democrats saw this as an election tool for roosevelt and consequently he was elected, when the bill came up before congress again to make immediate payment ot the vets, roosevelt vetoed the bill. end of story.

    the bolshevioks never stop, they keep the same old tactics, twist the truth until it comes out the way they want it.

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  • DaveH

    Headline on Friday’s Yahoo Finance page — “Bernanke lifts Wall Street, keeps stimulus in play”.
    The average person probably thinks that means investors think the companies will be doing better, more business, etc. But what it really means is that the dollar will be worth less, so it will take more dollars to buy the same amount of goods. That includes stocks. Also, many of the Wall Street companies will be in the front of the line for the “bailouts”.
    The increased money supply does nothing to add to productivity. In fact, the increased money supply sends false signals to entrepreneurs who then make bad investments in capital equipment etc. to produce more goods and services which they mistakenly think the consumers are newly demanding, that is Malinvestment, setting us up for the next Boom and Bust cycle. Only this time there may not be a Boom before the Bust, just a Muddling Along and then the Bust.
    The recipients of the newly created money (usually Government first, then their Crony Capitalists) buy the scarce goods and services first, thus driving up prices, and so on as the money gets passed further down the line, the prices keep rising, until eventually Mom and Pop have to spend much more of their precious savings to buy the same amount of goods and services they could purchase with their original earnings.

    This author thinks that we are soon to see hyperinflation:
    http://www.shadowstats.com/article/no-414-hyperinflation-special-report-2012

    • MikeR

      DaveH: I think most of the people reading this site understand all that. The only thing that matters on Nov. 6 is that we are either going to get four more years that will be worse than the last four years with Obama, or we are going to give Mitt Romney, a very moral and successful man, an opportunity to get us out of this mess.

      • DaveH

        Moral? Surely you kid, Mike? Romney makes a fish out of water look downright stable.

        • MikeR

          You have just questioned Mitt Romney’s morality. Would you like to explain to us in detail why you have done that? Give us the list of every immoral act Romney has ever committed. I’m sure you must have a list, or you wouldn’t have said that.

      • DaveH

        Here’s your “moral” guy in action:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llg-a8FamJg

        • MikeR

          I saw that link, and it is legal and the prerogative of the party to make rules changes. RAND PAUL ENDORSED ROMNEY.

      • DaveH

        More on Mitt:
        http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/mitt-romneys-biggest-flip-flops-20120801

        So, thanks to weak-kneed Progressive Followers, we have a choice now between two classic Politicians, neither of which have any kind of consistent Principles.

      • DaveH

        Certainly Mitt, who believes in Big Government, forcing Health Care Insurance on unwilling participants, voting against our 2nd Amendment rights, aiding the Climate Change Hoaxters in their efforts to take Market choice away from Americans, and flip-flopping from one campaign to the next, is a prominent member in this Society:
        http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • DaveH

        Mike says — “RAND PAUL ENDORSED ROMNEY”.
        Yes, he did. He’s not the Principled man that I thought he was.
        http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/rand-paul-betrays-his-father’s-principles-endorses-mitt-romney

  • DaveH

    I can’t seem to put links in my comments to Gary Johnson’s website. Is there a reason for that, Bob?

    • JeffH

      DaveH, I too just tried to post the link to http://www.garyjohnson2012.com and it did not post.

      • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

        Even though I don’t advocate anyone voting for Johnson, I too tried posting the link with no success.

    • JeffH

      I also tried several times to post the wesite without success.

      Mr. Livingston, could you look into the reason why Gary Johnson’s website link won’t post here?

      • MikeR

        Mr. Livingston, while you’re at it, will you look into why Ross Perot’s link won’t post to this site?

      • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel
      • JeffH

        George :). Interested to know if it was just a “glitch” that has been resolved?

        • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

          I tried it to see whether there was a problem with the particular poster. Apparently it isn’t a glitch since 3 of us have tried at various times to post the link. It appears to be deliberate (which is really fine with me).

  • http://comcast Mary White

    The Republican convention was awesome, Clint Eastwood was funny and he pissed off all the liberals . ( a two for one) America needs Mitt Romney as our fearless leader, not Obama as our fearless liar!

    • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

      Good comment. We need a few of those amid all the Ron Paul/Gary Johnson naysayers—oh, and a couple of looney lefties.

  • Palin16

    During the GOP convention, MSNBC and CNN cut away from the stage when Condoleeza Rice, Susana Martinez, and Marco Rubio spoke. Wouldn’t want to upset their stereotype of all Republicans being old white guys, would we?

  • chuckb

    in an interview with fox news, ron paul spoke as if he will support romney, i’ll have to admit, i have been a critic of romneys in the past, my assessment of him was mostly superficial, after watching him in the convention i have changed my mind completely, he has convinced me of his sincerity and he seems like a solid good person with the business sense to run this nation. no wonder the bolsheviks are spewing out all the lies, they have nothing to counter this guy with, ron paul was asked if he supported gary johnson, he answered, he appreciates what johnson stands for, yet, he failed to answer the question. i have always liked ron paul, i think some of his policies are misguided, but, all politicians have their flaws. it would be great if he did support romeny it would help counter the fraudulent vote the bolsheviks are going to use.

  • LC

    So I guess until after the election this will be a ban together and save the republicans, who cut their own throats by splitting the delegation,site.Pathetic and some how you people feel this is man of integrity. Are you aware that as many as twenty states are filing grievances against his campaign and RNC commitee. Terrible that I feel like saying this but. Obama at least won his fair and square. Happy hunting! I’m gonna go see if I can find a true libertarian site.

    • Jim C.

      LC: I don’t want to sound harsh, but it seems to me that some “libertarians” are so isolated from reality in their tiny, purist clique that they don’t give two hoots about what happens to the U.S. and its people (including themselves). Anyone who has any understanding of the peril this country is in, and why, could never feel that way. Libertarians need to get beyond their narrow, fixed theory and enter the cold reality of life as it is. Nothing in human life is absolutely perfect, but the differences between the political right (Republicans) and left (Democrats) is monumental, and everyone who votes should understand that fact. To think that their is no difference between the ideas, values and goals of the two major political parties, and that it therefore makes no difference which is in power, is ignorance beyond understanding.

      • 124andmore

        JimC: Bullseye!

        • http://Intouch.org Joseph

          OBAMA gets in we are done! Whats so hard about that????????

    • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

      LC: If you want to find a “true libertarian site”, just follow the scent of the reefer. Do you guys still call it that, or is that term outdated?

  • John W. Howard

    Now more than ever it’s time for moral, principled people.

    http://personalliberty.com/2012/09/03/so-you-think-you-are-free/?eiid=

    It seems I am more right than ever.

    http://americanvisionnews.com/4456/romney-rnc-endorse-european-style-vat-tax

    People die for lack of knowlege!

    J.W.Howard

  • chuckb

    lc, vote for barry, since there’s no difference. look at the bright side, it will save you the problem of trying to get the votes out for paul, the way he’s talking, he’s not running, anyway he really didn’t sound that enthusiastic about johnson. and after all barry runs a real clean campaign, axelrod and the bolsheviks make sure everything they do is legal. so your problem is solved

  • peggy cox

    I THOUGHT THE BLAZE WAS FOR THOSE OF US WHO DESPISE OBAMA AND HIS SORDID TRAIL OF LIES AND MIXED PROMISES NEVER SEEN, KNOWING FULL WELL HE IS IN THIS FOR HIMSELF AND NO ONE ELSE. THE FACT THAT WE DON’T REALLY KNOW WHO HE IS, WHERE HE CAME FROM AND THAT SO FAR , ALL WE KNOW IS THAT HE IS TAKING AMERICA DOWN,. JUST THE MONEY ALONE THAT HE LAVISHES ON HIMSELF IS ENOUGH TO WANT TO GET THIS PERSON OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. AND WE THE TAXPYERS ARE ALL PAYING FOR IT, BECAUSE HIS MAIN FOCUS IS DESTRYING THIS COUNTRY. WHY WOULD ANY OF YOU WANT THIS PERSON TO CONTINUE IN THE OVAL OFFICE? WHY CAN’T YOU SEE THAT R & R ARE DECENT HUMAN BEINGS AND CAN OULL AMERICA BACK ON IT’S FEET AS WELL AS SUPPORTING THE LISTS OF THINGS OBAMA OPPOSES? WHY HE HASN’T BEEN EMPEACHED SCARES THE HECK OUT OF ME, AND WHAT SCARES ME MOST IS ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO WILL VOTE HIM BACK IN. WHERE IS THE TRUE AMERICAN WHO UNDERSTANDS RIGHT FROM WRONG, GOOD OVER EVIL AND LOVES THE CONSTITUTION? ROMNEY AND RYAN ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO COVER THESE THINGS. I APPRICIATE A GOD FEARING MAN AS MY PRESIDENT, NOT ONE WHO TAKES AWAY THE NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER, AND HAS MUSLIMS ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN INSTEAD. WHERE ARE YOUR HEADS? WE WOULD LIKE ALL THE THINGS OBAMA TOOK AWAY FROM THIS COUNTRY PUT BACK, SMALL GOVERNMENT AND PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST. RON PAUL IS JUST ANOTHER VOTE FOR OBAMA, WHY DON’T PEOPLE SEE THAT WE NEED ALL THE VOTES FOR ROMNEY, AND WHY DOESN’T RON PAUL WANT THE SAME AND THROW HIS HAT IN THE RING FOR R & R. THAT ALONE SAYS A LOT FOR THE MAN. ANGELO

    • http://Intouch.org Joseph

      I couldent said it BETTER myself! U go Girl! We need more people like u! Let the truth b known!!! God-Bless……………Joe

    • http://persona;lliberty Brandi

      what angelo says i couldn’t agree more.

  • H Clark

    The selection of Ryan has caused me to change my affiliation to Independent. The man is very crafted at lying. His economic plan, adopted by Romnerd, is a total disaster for this country, particularly the middle class.

    • MikeR

      HClark: I don’t believe you were ever a Republican. There is nothing conservative about you.

  • John W. Howard

    I was looking up Ron Paul’s interview on “the Tonight Show” and found something I had forgotten about from the South Carolina debate. Something that we the people need to be reminded of. With the absoulate need to defeat Osama in November we still need to keep in mind what Mitt Romney himself stated to the question of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and would he have signed it?

    Here is the link so you can hear it from Romney’s own mouth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUZoPnYjx0g

    J.W.Howard

    • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

      I’m not too fond of that act myself, but Romney said two things (at least) which are important to remember about the act:

      1. It’s subject to abuse
      2. The character of the person elected is an important consideration. We have a President now who is abusing the power of executive orders to bypass and even to override Congress.

      Another point not specifically dealing with the act itself is that some who can be considered nothing other than spies are being accorded the rights of American citizens. IF YOU AREN’T A CITIZEN OR A LEGAL RESIDENT, YOU DON’T HAVE THE RIGHTS ACCORDED TO AMERICAN CITIZENS.

    • MikeR

      JWH: How was your post helpful in defeating Obama?

  • concerned

    Too many heads in the sand is exactly how we got here, open your eyes and ears!

  • ANGELO

    WE ONLY HAVE TWO MEN TO VOTE FOR IN FOR PRESIDENT. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE RON PAUL LOVERS AND SAY YOU WILL WRITE HIS NAME IN , YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER VOTE FOR OBAMA. AND IF THE PEOPLE THINK IT IS CUTE TO DO THAT, THEY ARE FAR FROM RIGHT. WE HAVE GOOD AGAINST EVIL. THE DEMOCRATS SPAT OUT ONE LIE AFTER ANOTHER. WHY WOULDN’T THE REAL PEOPLE IN AMERICA STAND UP AND ICK A WINNER? THOSE WHO LOVE THIS GREAT AND WONDERFUL COUNTRY WANT A MAN OF GOD IN THE WHITE HOUSE. ROMNEY IS A WARM AND LOVING PERSON, AND LOOKS LIKE A PRESIDENT AND WAS BORN A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, AND HE HAS ALL HIS RECORDS. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO OBAMA IS, BECAUSE HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY STATES WE HAVE, SPENDS OUR MONEY LIKE A WILD MAN, AND PLACES HIS HAND OVER THE WRONG ORGAN WHEN HE SALUTES THE FLAG. NEXT HE WILL BE WEARING A WHITE GLOVE. PLEASE STOP AND THINK BEFORE YOU PUT ANOTHER NAME IN THE POT. RON PAUL NEEDS TO BOW OUT, AND PUT HIS ENERGY WITH ROMNEY SO WE CAN GET OBAMA OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. ANGELO

    • MikeR

      Those who are cult followers of THE CHURCH OF THE PROPHET RON PAUL are more interested in promoting their libertarian ideology than saving our country from socialism, a weakened military, and the assured destruction that will follow. Ron Paul disciples are not patriots, they are brainless lemmings.

  • ANGELO

    GEE THANKS A LOT FOR DOING WHAT I ASKED FOR……

    • Moderator

      ANGELO,

      What you type in as your name is how it will appear. If you do not what your real name shown, please do not enter it. I corrected today’s posts as I have one other time. Please, just type in ANGELO next time. Thank you and have a wonderful day!

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  • Mark Matis

    As “Weepy” said about the Platform, “Who reads it?” Why would anyone think that Mittens has ANY intention of implementing its provisions, based on his past actions? And with “Weepy” running the House…

  • johnc

    I really think Clint made his point and really got the message out, as it went viral on youtube ..His point what we have in office now is an empty chair..the president is out playing golf, shooting hoops, campaigning or on vacation…and is out of touch most of the time there are real problems that are not being addressed above 8% unemployment for the last 43 months, the deficit and National debt, Jobs…but our presidents focus seems to be on his golf game and not the Job needing done…had he really done the job he was hired to do there would be no worries of his re-election he would have been a shoe in for a second term…what Clint was saying that the presidents efforts were miss directed he had 2 years of both the house and senate the same party yet could not get the job done and now he rates his performance as incomplete …a lot of Americans rate his performance as failed

  • Robert

    i think how they treated the ron paul delegates says it all about the platform. if people want to continue believing all is well with the republican platform then proceed with your delusion. the skullduggery thuggery that occurred behind the scenes with respect to ron paul says the republican platform is hollow and it’s just a matter of time before it caves in. the democratic platform never even had a chance as the autopsy will show. what we need is real change not platitudes of emotionally charged rhetoric. the problem is the change being planned for all of us is not what we’re expecting because the people doing it are still hiding behind the scenes. time to shine the spotlight on them and reveal. the spotlight is coming… it’s just a matter of time!

    • MikeR

      Where can I buy a decoder ring to untangle the babble?

  • RT

    When you spoke to those proud GOP/TPers, did you have to wipe the rabies froth from their chins first? The platform is so fascist, so hateful and bigoted, so warped in its approach to rights for the poor and women, it must be a product of disturbed minds.

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  • http://Intouch.org Joseph

    Face it! If OBAMA gets in will be called OBAMANATION! We will be doomed to communism! The 4th REICH!

    • concerned

      Unfortunately I have to say I agree completely Joseph!

    • http://persona;lliberty Brandi

      i agree totally well put sir.

  • jopa

    Well it has been a while now and the vedict is in.The Republicans really blew it on their convention.Especially on the Clint skit.The major networks only tuned in at ten oclock and that was the prime time to introduce Mitt to the public so they could get to know him.Now the public knows clint however it may be good they don’t know much about Romney.When Eastwood used up around fifteen minutes of their prime time the Democrats were rolling on the floor laughing at the nonsense.Someone really screwed up big time.LOL.

    • concerned

      Waiting for you vision to return

    • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

      If you really believe that, you’ve got your head in a very dark and inappropriate location.

    • MikeR

      jopa: I don’t see it that way. If you were to tell me that you are a great guy, or a competent businessman, I might believe you, or I might withhold my opinion of you until I hear what others say about you. If fifteen people tell me you are a great guy, or a competent businessman, it would mean more to me than your opinion of yourself. Most conservatives loved Clint’s skit Most leftist loons hated it. Clint was funny, and he showed the proper amount of disrespect for an arrogant President who ignores the Constitution and is intent on destroying America. Clint said that Romney is a “stellar businessman”. His speech has had 2,319,290 views on YouTube.

  • jopa

    MikeR;My point in my post was that Clint used up the time in the hour that ABC, NBC, and CBS actually broadcast the convention.The whole idea of the convention was to introduce Mitt to the public and they failed to do that.Clint used up some of the most valuable time of the convention.But now I see that they really didn’t want the public to know Mitt in that the more they know of him the polls indicate they don’t want somebody like that.With the Romney Ryan plan to get rid of Social Security,Medicare and Medicaid they really don’t stand a chance.More tax breaks for the rich, higher taxes for the middle class is just ignorant on their part.

    • gfsomsel

      Joppa, I am not a member of the LDS church, but I would say that Mitt Romney exhibits the traits of one who is truly a follower of Jesus Christ. He is precisely what we need in a time which has become coarsened by the “modern” views of socialism and Marxism. A man who is of such sterling character and who exhibits such concern for his fellow man is precisely what this country needs. We do not need another 4 yrs of a man who claims to be a christian but who only uses scriptures when he thinks he can use them to expand the influence of government. Jesus never spoke to the Roman Emperor or the governor of the province telling them to love their fellow man. He spoke to his followers. It is we who must show concern for the well-being of others and not the government.

  • jopa

    gfsomel;Romney may be a true follower of Jesus however it’s the” dead presidents” that I believe he truly worships.His fellow man comes in pretty much dead last.He has no compassion whatsoever for anyone out side of his church or the 47 per centers.He even said himself he wouldn’t be the President of 47% of the American public if elected.

    • gfsomsel

      Are you truly that stupid, or are you just pretending? Romney has been extremely generous to others. 30% of one’s income to charity doesn’t indicate that “his fellow man comes in pretty much deat last.” I have no patience for idiots. If you want to be an idiot, go ahead and vote for Obama or stay home and don’t vote at all, but I hope that if he is re-elected you get everything bad that you deserve.

    • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

      dopa: I accept the fact that you are part of Obama’s moron base, and I won’t waste my time trying to convert you.

  • jopa

    Romney is required by LDS guidelines to give a certain amount of his income or else he will go to that not so great Republican convention down below.And all this name calling is a great indicator you are a couple of losers to be and you can see the writing on the wall.If you could just open your mind to reality and greatness you would be so much happier and be able to crawl out of what appears to be a miserable life.

    • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

      LOL ! My sides are splitting from laughing at your stupidity. That should be expected, however, since one MUST be stupid to support Obama.

    • gfsomsel

      Mourning in America

      There’s mourning in America as a child weeps because his family must move from the house they have called their home.

      There’s mourning in America as a father who cannot provide for his family because he has lost his job and who has run out of benefits.

      There’s mourning in America as a mother shops for groceries and must be forced to swallow her pride and use government supplied benefits to purchase the daily needs of her family.

      There’s mourning in America as another entrepeneur must inform his employees that he can no longer continue to use them in his enterprise.

      Years ago Ronald Regan faced a recession which was worse than that presented to this generation, but he solved it in one four year period and put the country on an extended path to prosperity. Today all that can be said is that the President inherited a bad situation and has been battered by tsunamis and ATMs. It is claimed that it will take years to turn the country around. There’s mourning in America.

    • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

      dopa: Thank you for acknowledging that Mitt Romney is a very good man who donates OVER ten percent of his earnings to charity. Many thousands of people have been benefited by his largess.

  • jopa

    gfsomel;Do a little research and you will see how Ronald Reagan raised taxes,got together with Alan Greenspan and the two of them figured out how to rob the Social Security trust fund that is now missing trillions.When a person really knows the facts RR was not such an American hero as the foolish believe he was.The recession he faced was nowhere near what Obama encountered in his first term in that not only the US but the World was destined to collapse as Bush left office or should I say the ranch.

    • gfsomsel

      Yes, Regan made a pact with the Devil (the Dumb-Old-Rats who controlled Congress) that there would be $2 in budget cuts for every $1 in tax increase. The lying Dumb-Old-Rats got their taxes, but they never produced the budget cuts. That’s how much you can trust the fatherless children in the Dumb-Old-Rat party.

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