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Tell It To The Bunny

April 28, 2011 by  

Tell It To The Bunny

Last weekend, more than a billion Christians around the world observed the passing of Good Friday and Easter. Well… MOST Christians observed Good Friday and Easter. Rumor has it that some of us were observing the passing of a Good Hangover and/or an Easter discount at the golf course. (Well, that’s what I heard.) For the 234 million self-identified American Christians, the weekend was marked by traditional religious observance, traditional meals, children imprisoned in those traditional — albeit horrendous — pastel Easter outfits their parents think are so ADORABLE, and more than a few traditional three-putts on the greens.

This year, one tradition ended. President Barack Obama — who retroactively proclaimed his attendance at an Easter church service (presided over by Wallace Charles Smith, a sort of junior varsity Jeremiah Wright; peace and love, indeed) — neglected to wish better than three-fourths of the populace a “Happy Easter.” Granted, Obama did mention Holy Week, but he did so in a private prayer breakfast the Tuesday before Easter and then again in his weekend address, but only in passing. And there was an Easter Egg Roll on the White House lawn, but that didn’t happen until Monday morning. According to Scripture, the Son of Man rose on Sunday.  (As if The Savior would ever have visited America’s Gomorrah-by-the-Potomac to begin with.)

Many people have expressed everything from disappointment to outright mortification that Obama would omit Nos. 2 and 3 of the Top 10 Days God Says You Better Remember. Obama has issued Presidential proclamations for most of the major Muslim holidays, excluding the ones only certain Muslims celebrate: Behead an Infidel Day, Firebomb a Synagogue Day and the ever-popular Beat the Crap Out of Your Wife for Showing Too Much Ankle Day. Obama has also noted some of the major Jewish holidays; we can’t blame him if Helen Thomas ruined one of them by doing her Hitler impressions for the kiddies.

I, for one, am just fine with Obama’s deletion of a national Easter-specific message. It’s not that I doubt his faith — provided he observes my Constitutional right to worship freely (and that’s one humongous “if”) — I don’t care about his faith. I am, however, secure enough in my own that I hardly require reaffirmation from a mendacious, self-serving socialist. So, while some among my fellow conservatives are outraged by Obama’s omission of a nod to the Son of Man’s final and finest hours, don’t count me among them.

White House spokespuppet Jay Carney reportedly “laughed off” questions about the lack of a Presidential “Happy Easter,” leaving many of Obama’s critics — and they are legion — murmuring about the President’s own religious identity. For all I know, Obama is a Zoroastrian. My educated guess is that he’s about as Christian as many who proclaim themselves so, meaning he goes to church on Christmas and Easter, and maybe Ash Wednesday. (Wouldn’t it be magnificent if for Lent 2012, Obama were to give up talking to George Soros?) The lingering question about Obama’s faith is yet another in the long line of eyebrow-raisers created by Obama’s tragicomic inability to handle even the simplest elucidations without the assistance of a teleprompter and Valerie Jarrett.

Obama is a babbling, Alinskyite buffoon an astronomical distance down the list of people with whom I’d wish to share a religious greeting. I suspect his piety is on a par with someone who “earned” the title of “reverend” by answering an ad in the back of Rolling Stone or one of those televangelist women with drag queen makeup and fright-wig hair.

I neither want, nor need, to hear Obama wish me a “Happy Easter.” Given his flashes of fascist flair, I’m more concerned that he might order me to have one.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Jeremy Leochner

    Its a difficult line for a president I imagine. His first duty must always be to the people even if it interferes with the pursuit of worship of his own faith. Bear in mind the president must somehow act as a representative of all the people regardless of their views or beliefs. My best guess is his perhaps limited refrence to scripture was an attempt to focus on universal celebration of a very nice day regardless of ones religious views. I feel the president is a faithful man who can be trusted in his devotion. As an agnostic I am a tad bias in that I agree with a certain sense of balance between religion and secular. As to his religion I feel certain he is a christian and more over I feel he is a genuine man.

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Good article Ben!!!___and Jeremy, Good Grief another smitten Obamanite!___Well Jeremy all I can say, That Obama, the Messiah, would be mighty proud of that sermon!_

      Yeah, he’s suppose to attempt to represent all religions of all people, but he gave us a “Twofer” this Easter, with dissing both the Jewish Faith and Christians. And yeah__ I trust Obama about as far as I can throw him, and I can’t pick him up! I trust in time he’ll finally march our butts to his Socialist masters, for them to decide who is worth sparing. and yes, He’s genuine alright, about as genuine as fake leather.___and while I’m at it, the release of the Birth Certificate, means nothing, he paid for and froze/hid his past for 2 million dollars, what’s to say he didn’t have this so-called document created in photo shop?_-In infamous words of the English Royals, “We Are Not Amused!”

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I can assure you wannabe I am no Obama worshiper. I stand by him out of both trust in him to fulfill his promises and out of a certain sense that I owe it to him since I voted for him. My allegiance is to the flag and Republic. My loyalty to Obama is only as far as he is good to the country as I see it. I believe he is trying to be non partisan and I agree. I believe he is trying to not be to strong for any one side. I believe this has caused him to not be strong enough in certain things such as his campaign promises. But no ones perfect so I wish to still believe in him since he seems to have tried his best. I do not believe he is pushing us to socialism. If he was he would not have been trying so hard to comprimise with other politicians or trying to convince corporations to regulate themselves.

        • Jana

          Jeremy,
          Obama may go to a ‘religious’ service, but it does not make him a Christian. Christianity is a way of life. It is much like being pregnant, you either are or you are not.
          Obama has done a lot more than try to be “non partisan”, he has shown by his actions that he does not stand with Christianity. In fact, he has more openly embraced Islam than Christianity, which definitely is not ‘non partisan’.
          When he tries to talk about Christianity he stumbles all over himself. It isn’t in his heart. There is no judgement here, just discernment, which we are supposed to have and use.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            How has he embraced Islam Jana? I dont know of him doing that so please tell.

            As to discernment yes one should. The only thing I will say is I always thought it was enough to try and do good in the name of god. I never thought it entailed often open expressions of ones faith. I thought action in the name of faith was enough.

          • Jana

            Jeremy,
            Lets see, let me count the ways he has embraced Islam.
            1.One of his first actions was to STOP the National Day of Prayer, which our country has honored for more than 40 years.
            2. He announces that the Islamic call to prayer is one of the most beautiful sounds to his ears.
            3. He opens the White House to the first day of Ramadan and joins in their prayers to their false god.
            4. He takes off his watch and ring as all good Muslims are supposed to do during Ramadan.
            5. He quotes from the Qu’ran quite often, and no stumblimg or bumbling over his words. (When he tries to talk a Christian talk, it comes out confused)
            6. He doesn’t celebrate Christmas, nor does he allow any Christian symbols on his uhhhh holiday tree in the white house.

            These are just a few of the things right off of the top of my head. I have to leave for work in 10 minutes and have no more time right now, but I will be back on later tonight.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Well done Jana!!!

          • Kilgore Trout

            Jana – please enlighten us as to how you think a Christian should live, I can’t wait to see where you include cutting taxes for the rich and destroying health care and fighting wars to take things you desire. The only god that is worshiped in this country is the almighty dollar and I have no doubts those roots come from Christianity!

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Jeremy:

            You do good in the name of God, not god.

            Doing good is not the base of Christianity. Doing good is the result of Christianity and loving Jesus Christ the Son of God. To be a Christioan you must believe that God Almighty is our Creator, His Son was incarnate of the Virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit, He was crucified, died, buried, rose from the dead – all to forgive us our sins. All good works here on earth are as filthy rags in the eyes of God.

            For an agnostic / atheist this is, well, unfathomable. Get a Bible, read it, study it. Ask God for guideance / help in understanding.

            You must accept God on faith as a little child. It is as simple as that. Do not try and over-analyze it for we as humans cannot fully understand God. He believes in you. You must believe in Him.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Thanks Jana. Good job.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Kilgore:

            Who are the rich? Anyone with a dollar more than you?

          • Kate8

            Kilgore – It doesn’t matter how rich a person is, or whether you approve of his wealth. It’s not YOUR money, and you are NOT entitled to it.

            So, you judge whether a person is a good Christian based on whether he condones the confiscation of another’s wealth?

            I call that theft, no matter who does it. And theft violates the Commandments.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Jana a national day of prayer violates the seperation of church and state if supported in a too strict or dogmatic way. I feel he was trying to prevent a outcry of him endorsing christianity over our countrys tradition of neutrality in religious matters.
            If a sound is beautiful I see no reason to not call it so. As to his honoring of Islamic customs I can perhaps guess he wishes to show muslims that they are welcome in our country and perhaps to try and show that muslims dont need to be tempted by extremists to get what they want. Finally I feel christmas is about family, love and giving. My family rarely places religous or christian symbols on our tree but I believe we love the season of giving as much as anyone and I say the same of the President.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jeremy, there NO PHRASE OF SEPARATION OF CHURCH OR STATE IN THE CONSTITUTION!! THE PHRASE IS ATTRIBUTED TO THOMAS JEFFERSON. SEE LINK BELOW_ Ya gotta Read the real stuff__but If your not willing to believe our Constitution was Founded on our Judeo Christian Foundation, you’ll be forced to read revision, which is someone else’s interpretation of it!

            http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html#church

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Angel I know that it dosen’t appear but it is a reality none the less. Our country is and was founded on the principles of equality and liberty for all. To have a basis in any faith or any particular religion denies the good faith of the Declaration of Independence which promises equality for all. Everyones views and beliefs are honored and valued in our republic. That is based on universal truths of Equality, Liberty, Justice and Honor. Those are uniquely the values of a Republic, not a religion. I believe our countries great value lies in it simply being a republic, not in any particualr religious view expressed within it.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jeremy, Like it or not GOD was an integral part of our Founding. Freedom hungry Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus or what ever nationality or religion doesn’t have to like it, but that’s not to say, you have the right to change or twist the original Findings, to suit your needs.__If people of others faiths want to live here, fine, that’s great. But when they become citizens (and I use that term loosely with no secured borders) then they have to abide by our rule of law, they are free to worship and live as they choose, not change the Constitution to resemble where they came from. and if they came from a dictatorial country why would they want America to resemble what they left they’re home country for?

          • Average Joe

            And the award for Boot licker of the Month goes to….(Drum Roll please….) Our very own “Jeremy Leochner”…Part time paid troll and full time horses’ patootie…Jeremy has earned himself a cool penny per rant as a result of this award, to be paid for by his proud sponsors at :

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            1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
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          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Good timing Average Joe I needed a good laugh!

          • Average Joe

            Angel Wannabe,
            I just couldn’t let Ben Crystal have all of the fun…lol
            Besides, a good belly laugh at the expense of someone like “Germie”…will cure many an ill. ;)

          • Jana

            Jeremy,
            You asked me and I told you. If you can’t open your eyes to see the truth, then you are not as smart as you think you are. You have become part of the problem and have no solutions.
            When you stated that Socialism may be the anser, you have shown yourself to be a hard leftist with no and I repeat NO common sense at all. You are lost, and I will go even further and tell you you are a loser. You represent your parents, and your parents are probably very leftist also. Oh you may gain some worldly sucess, but you are still a loser. Why are you a loser? Because you have your eyes closed and you cannot see the truth, and your ears are shut so you won’t hear the truth. As the Bible says in Ezek 12:2
            Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.
            KJV
            You have rebelled against your country. You have despised your heritage. I feel very sorry for you.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jana, It’s sad isn’t it, like you said, Jeremy has no eyes to see and no ears to hear!_____I’m always amused at those who think Gods way is wrong or he doesn’t exist.__ When I was much younger, I too for a time thought I knew better, until I stepped outta line, then like a Father who corrects his children, so God corrected me.

          • Jana

            Angel W.,
            Thank the Lord that He loved you enough to correct you and Praise God you listened.
            We have all had to be corrected, we have all had to repent.
            I am saddened about J. as he sounds like he is following in his parents footsteps. He is the master of his own little ship and he can sail it wherever he wants. Hope he has a good trip.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Well Jana, Average Joe, and Wannabe I apologize for my views if they offend you. I have always tried to be open minded to all arguments. Though at the end of the day I still must support what I believe. It may surprise you but I dont believe in agendas and have listened to many people who both agree and disagree with me. I believe what I believe. I believe in respect for respect. I apologize if my views disagree with yours but I feel I have a right to have and say my views as much as you. I apologize for being firm in my beliefs but its only because I really believe in them and have thought long and hard about them. I never meant to push ideas or try and force things. I simply wished to express what I believed in a sincere desire to help. Jana both my parents are good and wise people and I consider it an honor to follow them. My father is a conservative whos opinion I value highly. While my mother is a liberal. So I have a little influence of both. Please know I love my country and I desire only to do good. If I met you perhaps in a more in depth debate I could more easily say just how much I agree or disagree with you. Till then I have my views. I apologize for having them if they disgust or offend you but they are mine and I believe in them.

          • Amy Beth

            It’s been my expirence that those who try the hardest to prove they are Christian are the same ones that are least Christian and most likely to stab you in the back or do whatever it takes to make sure they come out ahead. Don’t judge someone by words alone, actions speak louder than words.
            Also, how can any of you really know what President Obama feels in his heart? There’s no way. Bush hid behind the bible all the time but had no second thought of killing people in war. This was not a war of defense either, it was a war he started.

          • Jana

            Jeremy,
            You stated: ” It may surprise you but I dont believe in agendas and have listened to many people who both agree and disagree with me. I believe what I believe. I believe in respect for respect.”*********

            WHAT??? Agenda’s are goals. Every thing you stand for is a liberal agenda. As for respect, you show good manners, but you stand for is not respectable.

            You indeed sound very confused. With the ideologies you espouse you do NOT honor your father, you DISHONOR him. You make him sound like a weak little man. You actually make yourself sound like a silly little kid. You are either very naive or very immature, and I suspect a lot of both. We all have goals and agendas. Just be sure of which one you get behind and KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are on the correct side.

            You have stated over and over that no teacher has ever presented a liberal agenda to you. You are not wise enough to know when a liberal agenda was presented to you. You absolutely fell for it hook line and sinker.

            You also stated in another post above:”The only thing I will say is I always thought it was enough to try and do good in the name of god. I never thought it entailed often open expressions of ones faith. I thought action in the name of faith was enough.”***********
            What I presented to you above was what God himself said about what you think. HE DOESN’T AGREE WITH YOU.

            In His Word, God tells us over and over that we are His representatives and He wants to be acknowledged in our lives.

            Matt 7:21-23
            1 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
            Jeremy, do you even know His will?
            22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
            23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
            So obviously its more than just lip service to God or pretending to do something in His name, He wants us to KNOW Him. We have to have a working relationship with Him. To know Jesus Christ as our Saviour.

            Jeremy you are following one verse of scripture very closely,
            Rom 1:22
            22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

            As far as what the Lord says about our praying to or worshipping other gods,

            Deut 6:14-15
            4 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the peoples that are round about you;
            15 for Jehovah thy God in the midst of thee is a jealous God; lest the anger of Jehovah thy God be kindled against thee, and he destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

            And one more that may surprise you,
            Ex 34:14
            4 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
            KJV

            So what you thought about how to serve God is wrong, just like the statement that maybe we ought to become a Socialist country. That is something our country has fought wars against, and now you in all of your great (non) wisdom thinks we ought to turn to socialism. Wow.

            Rom 1:22
            22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
            KJV

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Ammy Beth, you just said actions speak louder than words, THATS WHY WE DON’T LIKE WHAT OBAMA IS DOING, are ya gettin any of this?

          • Amy Beth

            Exactly what is it that Obama is doing that you don’t like? Is it that he doesn’t use the bible as a political tool to woe all of you? Is it that he is trying to protect the social saftey net put in place that we all will get a chance to use like medicare and social security? Is it that he wants to get people back to work?
            You have to remember that our government was set up with certain checks and balances. You know, President, House of Reps, and Senate. Once they all agree then the law is passed. The supreme court determinds if the law follows the Constitution. The President alone does not make any laws, congress alone does not make any laws. The problem comes when you have party politics taking over the government instead of what’s good for the country. We saw it during the GW Bush years and we saw it the first 2 years of Obama. What is disappointing is that our elected offcials are supposed to represent us the people of our district. We are not seeing that right now. Just take Paul Ryan’s Medicare plan, 80% of the nation wants to keep Medicare the way it is. But the house Republicans just voted to abolish it and turn it into a voucher system. The plan is so bad that they don’t even want to enact it for 10 years. If it’s such a good idea why not enact it right now and start saving right now? When our representives are getting shouted at clearly they are not doing the will of the people. Government for the people, by the people and of the people no longer exist in the USA. It’s government for those that can afford to give large sums of money to those in power.
            I read an article once stating that Democracy typically will only last about 200 years. Once the people realize that they can vote people into office who will give them the most gifts. The article implied that poor people will always vote for Democrats and we will eventually have a country run by Democrats because Democrats usually give the most to poor people. But in reality the oposite is happening, the ultra wealthy businesses, corporations, and even some individuals are now buying canidates. They donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republican canidates and in return they are expecting tax cuts and corporate wellfare. We all know that the best canidate doesn’t always win the election, it’s the one with the most money. That’s why you see efforts to crush unions so that they no longer donate to Democrats because the Democrats don’t offer the gifts like the Republicans do.
            (Please ignor any typos and spelling and grammer mistakes as I only have 8th grade education.)

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Amy Beth_-First of all we are a Republic NOT A DEMOCRACY!

            re·pub·lic   /rɪˈpʌblɪk/ Show Spelled
            [ri-puhb-lik] Show IPA

            –noun
            1. a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
            2. any body of persons viewed as a commonwealth.
            3. a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state.

            > YOUR WORDS “Exactly what is it that Obama is doing that you don’t like?

            _ secondly> Obama was raised by communists, he doesn’t have America’s best interest at heart, he;s a Socialist and there is 81 of them in Congress alone , if you’d like the PDF of the list of names, I can do that!!
            Thirdly> why did he insist on Obamacare being shoved down our throats, when over half of the Country didn’t want it? Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare are already in place, They needed tweeking not and a TAKEOVER__ we don’t need more entitlements!
            His policies suck period! Thats just a start of why I don’t like his policies.

          • karolyn

            Jana – “Just be sure of which one you get behind and KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are on the correct side.”

            How can ANYONE KNOW they are on the CORRECT side? How can anyone judge someone else’s beliefs??????? Can there not be more than one right side? Yes, ther can! It depends on what “side” you’re on!

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Very well Jana I suppose I am supportng an agenda. But it is what I believe and what I think is right. Yes it falls in line primarily with liberalism but I do have conservative views as well. For me its about my love for my country not my specific party or ideology. I believe liberalism is a good plan to make our country better but if it could be conclusivly proven that all liberal ideals or the basis of liberalism itself is bad than perhaps I can agree with you. But bear in mind I have always held the belief that equality is the most important thing and that we must allow rich and poor, strong and weak, worker and CEO to have an equal playing field. No class warefare only class negotiation. Mostly capitilism but with government regulation in a Socially Democratic manner to provide balance against the worst excesses of capitilism when CEOS become corrupted by their wealth and influence just as many politicians.
            As to my father I see him as an example of what I wish to be. My father is the strongest and most honorable man I have ever met. He is a conservative and I hold him as an example of true conservativism. Reasonable, confidant, firm in his conviction but open to others ideas. I hold my father in the highest respect and its because of him that I have conservative leanings on some issues and its also why I try to be so respectful to those I disagree with.
            As to teachers perhaps yes I trusted them too much. But please bear in mind it requires only a limited perspective, which I assume I have at the very least, to tell when someone is being prejudiced or discriminating towards an ideology. My professors often made a neutral agenda if anything. They attacked those who preached that Geroge Bush was an illegitamate president as much as they did those who say Obama is. I have had professors attack the man responsible for the wikileaks scandal as being hurtful to our country. Finally I say again as I always did. Speaking from someone who loves to learn and who payed close attention in class I never heard anyone preach or say or even suggest that one ideology was better or that one system was better. Yes professors had their views and some even mentioned it. But unless they produced evidence to back up their views, which they rarely if ever did, it didn’t effect me one way or the other. My views formed long before college and I can assure you I have never been one to simply listen to what my high school or middle school teachers told me at face value. So please know I am trying to not defend those who did mention their views but I am trying to defend those who didn’t. And perhaps that is why I try to not stand specifically or firmly with an sort of stated agenda since I am still trying to be neutral the way my professors were. Its not that they impressed me with this in a political sense but that I hope to be a teacher and wish to follow that example.
            Finally Jana I am sorry first off. As an agnostic it was not my place to question or speak of religious matters. I said what I said based on those who I respect and honor who have religious beliefs. They have always told me that god loves everyone regardless or wether or not they believe in him. And I said what I said from my own view. I meant only that I always felt if one strives to be a kind and honest person regardless of their religious beliefs or allegiances that it is good enough. And I flatter myself that I always hoped that if there indeed is a god that if I strive to live a good life and be a good man even without pledging faith in him that he would show pity on me when the time came. I do not believe in god but I still consider such things since I am an intellectual type as my firends say who likes to think about things,often too much.

          • Eddie47d

            Jeremy; Some of the Conservatives here aren’t very conservative and some have stone cold hearts. Some Christians are not very Christian either but most do try hard. Try Matthews 5:44-45. But I say onto you,love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,so that you may be children of your Father in heaven;for He makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good,and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. Every day in the news people face death and loss of loved ones as attested to by those killed by tornadoes. I’m sure many were Christian and if not at least good people. God loved them all and those who accepted Christ will now be in Heaven. Those who didn’t believe will be in the ground but their souls will not be accepted by God. Everyone should do good on earth whether Liberal or Conservative. Why would anyone with any morality do any differently? Conservatives I believe are more faithful in honoring the Old Testament and Liberals are very faithful in honoring the New Testament. Conservatives are more bonded to God and Liberals are more bonded to Jesus. I’ve noticed that for at least 40 years now and just an observation. Jeremy is always respectful in his opinions and deserves the same in return. Have a great weekend.

          • Jana

            Jeremy,
            I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree about your liberalism. The most important thing is to look at both sides and try to be fair.
            I am glad that you love and appreciate your father and what he stands for.
            He should also be proud of you in that throughout our discourse you have always remained a gentleman.
            I would like you to reread Angel’s response to your very first comment. She is right on.

            Your statement :”They have always told me that god loves everyone regardless or wether or not they believe in him. And I said what I said from my own view. I meant only that I always felt if one strives to be a kind and honest person regardless of their religious beliefs or allegiances that it is good enough. And I flatter myself that I always hoped that if there indeed is a god that if I strive to live a good life and be a good man even without pledging faith in him that he would show pity on me when the time came. I do not believe in god but I still consider such things since I am an intellectual type as my firends say who likes to think about things,often too much. ***********

            I am so sorry you don’t believe in God.

            You are right. God does love everyone. That is why Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice for man’s sin.
            John 3:16-18
            16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
            17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
            18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
            KJV
            As you said, “I always felt if one strives to be a kind and honest person regardless of their religious beliefs or allegiances that it is good enough.”
            God does not want our “hope it good enough”. He wrote to us telling us what He wants from us. Its called the Bible.

          • Jana

            Wow Eddie,
            I just read your post. That is a weird observation. Most of the liberals on this site are either agnostics or down right haters of even the name of God.
            By the way, who do you think Jesus represented?
            If you love Jesus, you love God.
            John 5:23
            3 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
            KJV

            John 5:30
            I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
            KJV

            John 8:19
            9 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
            KJV

            John 10:30
            30 I and my Father are one.
            KJV

            John 14:9-10
            Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
            10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
            These are just a few references in John.
            Look up in your concordance how many times Jesus talked about Father, too numerous to mention.
            Jesus was about (our) Father’s business.

            We need to know and comprehend the Old and New Testament. The OT explains so much in the NT. Jesus himself refers back to the OT numerous times. If you haven’t studied the OT how do you understand what he was talking about?

          • Jay

            Amy beth says, It’s been my expirence that those who try the hardest to prove they are Christian are the same ones that are least Christian and most likely to stab you in the back or do whatever it takes to make sure they come out ahead. Don’t judge someone by words alone, actions speak louder than words.

            Also, how can any of you really know what President Obama feels in his heart?

            Amy, do you not read what you write? First, you self-rightteously state, Don’t judge someone by words alone, actions speak louder than words. Then you pose a question who’s answer you have previously provided, Don’t judge someone by words alone, actions speak louder than words.

            The interesting thing I noticed about your statement, besides the fact that it was devoid of logic, was contradictory and lacked sound argumentation, was that you do exactly what you stated we shouldn’t do, and that is, you, judge someone by words alone, rather then allowing their actions to speak! Otherwise, you would condemn Obama, for he has clearly shown, through his ACTIONS, what in his HEART!

            Also, your opening statement, Amy beth says, It’s been my expirence that those who try the hardest to prove they are Christian are the same ones that are least Christian and most likely to stab you in the back or do whatever it takes to make sure they come out ahead.

            This opening and rather sweeping statement of yours, reveals the racists and hater you have become, as you clearly lump all Christians who openly express their Faith, together, and, based only on limited, personal and unfortunately, negative experiences, you then grant yourself licence to attach the self-serving and hypocritical label on all Christians who openly express their Faith, and that, without exercising any discernment! It seems that the only hypocrite, and the only one that judges people according to their words, rather then actions, is you…

          • Jana

            Jay,
            You are so right.

        • Jeryl

          I didn’t vote for him and I don’t trust him. I don’t support him because he is destroying America one brick at a time. I know plenty of people who did vote for him who certainly wouldn’t repeat the mistake.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            A little late for buyers regret.

          • Jay

            I say we make him a one-term president!

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Jeremy, first of all WHY should corporations have to regulate themselves?__They’re the ones who took the risk to start the business,Bill Gates, Trump and on and on___ if they’ve become successful beyond belief, what do you care?__Why aren’t they allowed to enjoy the fruits of they’re labor?__You Liberal/Progressives act like they stole they’re wealth!_-If they’ aren’t paying the taxes you think they should pay__Then hire the “Successful” peoples CPAs, they know the loopholes!__are you JEALOUS?_-Want a cut for yourself?__You’ve got the same opportunities as these big corporations did/do, get off your azz and do it, if its money and fame you want___just remember, just like the successful, its a crapshoot ___ there are NO GUARANTEES!__It’s all a risk!

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          “trust in him to fulfill his promises” What promises has he kept? As stated here by one of the folks who are more clever with words than I: He is simply Bush with a better tan and bigger ears.

          You do not owe him anything. He owes you. You are his employer. fNow, act like a boss.

          Oh! And quit sopping up all that crap those whacked-out, round-eyed, bearded Marxist professors spew at you. Use them for what they are – an excellent reverse barometer.

          • Jay

            Old Henry, you, and the blogger you alluded to, have made a very clear point when you said that, we, are his EMPLOYER, and that, he, is our EMPLOYEE, in whom, we, have temporarily placed our trust, that he should perform the duties that are clearly spelled out with respect to his position, as a temporary EMPLOYEE!

        • Jay

          Jeremy, either you are extremely naive, overly trusting, or, you are not being completely honest! It is also very possible that you fear being criticized for expressing conviction and so you straddle the fence, in the hopes of pleasing everyone while taking great care not to offend any one, while at the same time not realizing, you essentially have said, nothing!

          • Jeremy Leochner

            I suppose Jay. I am by nature one who trys to balance two sides and not go to far to one. I admit perhaps yes I am trying not to offend anyone. My only defense is I want to try and stick to the arguments and I dont think it necessary to offend people if I can help it. I dont like offending people for no reason.
            For the sake of clarity I am an affirmed Liberal and Social Democrat. I believe strongly in what I say. I have heard many arguments for and against it but I believe what I believe and value what I value none the less. I want respect for my beliefs and I try to respect in turn.

          • Jay

            So what you are saying, is that one should sacrifice the truth for fear it may offend someone. Ok, I get ya!

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Of course not Jay. The truth is there is no need to insult someone to present your views. I respect your view thats the honest truth. Its a matter of telling the truth honestly without resorting to insulting someone. That would be a lie.

          • Jay

            Fund the Truth About Islam or Lose the War of Ideas
            FavStocks 2 May 2011
By Phyllis Chesler

            One cannot tell the truth or venture one’s opinion about Islam or about Muslim behaviors without risking being slandered, heckled, censored, sued, impoverished, physically attacked, and, more rarely, murdered
            And that’s for those of us lucky enough to be living in the free West. What happens to dissident and feminist thinkers and writers in Muslim-majority countries is far worse; their bravery continues to inspire me at a very dark moment in history.

            The Western punishments are as follows:

            One loses one’s left, liberal, and feminist friends. One is not invited to their parties, funerals, or conferences. One is not invited to lecture. One’s past contribution is written out of their history. Meanwhile, one is forced to debate vicious liars and propagandists in order to be “heard” at all. One is shouted out of classrooms and lecture halls or forced to speak under hostile, tense, oppressive, and potentially dangerous working conditions. One requires bodyguards on campus.

            In short, hate speech and delusions of appeasement have, increasingly, appropriated for themselves all the rights and privileges of free speech in the West and, in the United States, the protection of the First Amendment. Truth goes begging and truth-tellers are sued. They are not funded by the Saudi (Wahabi-Salafist) Lobby which has funded Middle East Studies programs, conferences, and scholars all over Europe and North America, nor are they funded or supported by the Iranian Axis of Evil (Syria, North Korea, Hezbollah, and Gaza’s Hamas, which has just joined with the West Bank’s Fatah in a national unity government.)

            But there is also good news.

            Earlier this week, Hans Erling Jensen wrote and called to inform me that he and Kurt Westergaard, the Danish Mohammed cartoonist, have just established The Westergaard Foundation to “support free speech” and to fundraise for truth-tellers whose reputations and incomes have suffered because they have dared to tell the truth about Islam. As he explained his ideas, I said: “You want to establish an economic base for those of us who are publishing samizdat, who, as thinkers and writers, have been sent to the gulag.” “Exactly,” he said. (…)

            http://europenews.dk/en/node/42803

    • Bob G

      Where in God’s name do you people come from?

    • Jeryl

      He’s a genuine fabian socialist who’s on a crusade to destroy America as we know it. As for agnosticism, I rode that horse quite awhile until reason brought me to Christ.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Jeryl, well said!

        • Jeryl

          Thank you, Angel.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        The problem with the fabian strategy accusation is that it involves subtle manuevering not possible in a free society much less a Republic. And if socialism works than I say maybe its okay. Afterall we already have taxes to fund our inferstructure, army, police, fire department and education. That sounds pretty socialist to me.

        • Jeryl

          At the risk of being called a religious nut, I have to say that the one world government must, of necessity, be a socialist government, ruled by an elite. Democracy is an extremely week form of government, according to the Founding Fathers, and will always degrade into either a oligarchy (rule of an elite) or a dictatorship. Socialism is not, in any case, a good form of government.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Jemery, the GUV doesn’t need our taxes to run the country, they have unlimited access to a printing press it’s called The Federal Reserve__-REMEMBER????__as far as paying taxes, The GUV is nosey, they wanna keep tabs on whos making how much money__The tax code was created inaccordance, to make it difficult enough that not everyone, would know how its done!__Wake the hell Up!

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Without being nosey couldnt corporations or their CEOS commit crime without repercussions. Without a police force yes there would be less people snooping around but it would also open the door to everyone doing whatever they want.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jeremy, If you worship Obama and his Minions, then you too, must believe that the Rich Entrepreneur or Corporations are committing a crime, by wanting to keep they’re wealth??_I gotta ask ya, DID YA EVER WORK FOR A POOR MAN?, Did a poor man ever give you hospitalization/benefits, how about paid vacations?__Ya don’t have to like or agree with your boss, but ya don’t bite the hand that feeds either ____ C’MON Man use your head before ya speak!

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jeremy, Contol is not what America was founded on, and I don’t give a damn how old that CONSTITUTION of ours is, it breathes the very breath of the Founders themselves, and what they wanted for this American Experiment.__But our ever encrouching GUV, seems to think we are no longer capable of Governing ourselves, and they’re squeezing our freedom, the very the lifes blood out of us. You would do yourself well to start getting educated in other areas, besides the Liberal Arena!_-Alot of us have woken up, open your eyes!

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Angel wanting to make and keep money is not a crime and its not morally reprehensible. Lying to the general public to convince them to buy worthless stock in such a manner that it costs countless people their jobs and livelihoods is and should be. Giving out products that threaten peoples health or violate safty standards like when toyota gave out vehicles that not only had brake problems but engine problems as well is morally reprehensible. The general public places trust in corporations to provide quality products. It is a great trust and whenever corporations violate that trust there should and must be legal consequences. Because unlike the government which we the people can reprimand by voting them out thereby providing the consequences or any run of the mill criminal on the street who can be picked up there is no consequences we the people can directly impose on corporations other than to not buy their products. However that dosen’t stop massive bonuses or golden parachutes or any number of ways CEOS find to make vast profits regardless of the financial situation.
            Please know angel these ideas stem from someone who has had many debates with many a conservative and many a liberal. I listen to people with views I disagree with. However I still believe that if CEOS commit crimes it must be met with legal consequences and the best way to do that is with the government which unlike CEOS we the people can regulate.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jeremy, where does personal responsibility come in here? The Internet is not just for b*tching on forums about the Government. If your going to make a purchase, be it cars, a product or whatever, THEN RESEARCH IT FIRST_get reviews, talk to other folks who have the product you want!__and just who is forcing you to buy poorly made products. Question if someone tells you to jump in a fire, would ya do it?___C’mon your creating problems!

            Toyota had a problem, its been fixed__next subject!

            I’m a little tired of this blame game too! and everyone making EVERYTHING a mountain out of a mole hill. The media has got everyone running around like a chicken with they’re head cut off, aka CONFUSED!__and thats how they want it. They, in conjunction with the GUV, wants to do the thinking for US, CUZ WE’RE TO STUPID!__ and thats BS!
            wakeup!

          • Vigilant

            Jeremy,

            The cases of moral reprehensibility amongst corporations that you cited are not part of any conservative ideology. Conservatives, while totally supportive of free enterprise Capitalism, do not condone or excuse unethical or outright illegal acts. Which conservatives have you heard celebrating the practices of Bernie Madoff, ENRON, Worldcom, Toyota, or any entity that deceives or defrauds the public?

            Your statement is very revealing, as follows: “The general public places trust in corporations to provide quality products. It is a great trust and whenever corporations violate that trust there should and must be legal consequences. Because unlike the government which we the people can reprimand by voting them out thereby providing the consequences or any run of the mill criminal on the street who can be picked up there is no consequences we the people can directly impose on corporations other than to not buy their products.”

            Corporations that don’t provide quality products are sidelined by the free market. That’s the nature of Capitalism. The consumer decides the value of the product and makes choices accordingly. And there is no validity to your statement that there are “no consequences we the people can directly impose on corporations other than to not buy their products.”

            There are product liability suits every day of the week, there are stiff fines and imprisonment for corporate offenders when they knowingly fob off unsafe products or defraud their customer. False advertising and bait-and-switch tactics carry legal consequences.

            I certainly would not minimize the importance of the consumer. Thousands of businesses have gone belly up because people did not buy their products.

          • Average Joe

            Angel Wannabe,

            You are wasting your time ( a valuable commodity which can’t be replaced) trying to convince someone like Jeremy…he isn’t here to convince us of his beliefs, he is here to argue…period. Ignore his posts and eventually he’ll get bored with no responses…then go to argue elswhere.
            You can give these people all of the knowlege in the world…but you can’t make them use it.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Average Joe and Vigilant, Well said on both counts!__

            Well_ me and the remote have a date, good talking ya’ll!

          • Eddie47d

            Good grief Angel why do you insist that anyone who say anything good about Obama worships him. Did you worship Bush or Reagan? Take your blinders off on the corporate issue. They stole us blind and you sing their praises. Maybe that is a type of worship. Some people rob banks to feed their families but they are still bank robbers.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Eddie, I have watched you post nothing but absolute hatred for Corporate America and stick up for Obama.

            I have to ask you “who do you work for?”__ I’m going to base the following on the pretense that, you have a boss!___IS your boss a POOR man? If you have a boss, do you despise him because he’s rich and had the better ability to hire you? If you have a boss, you do realize this man or corporation, doesn’t owe you a damn thing, other than a days wage!_-but I’ll lay you two to one, if you have a boss, you get, breaks, benefits/hospitalization, paid vacations, Overtime & bonus’s if your a good little boy!_-Did ya ever hear the old adage, that you don’t bite the hand that feeds?___Who do you idiot progressives think you are?_-Your cement/locked in class warfare!___Prithee, which means (please) know that you are welcomed at any time, to lay your azz and wealth on the line, and risk all, to try and become just as, or more successful, than the successful people or Corporations you claim to hate!!___There is no guarantees, BUT you idiots want guarantees, Then TALK TO GOD!!___
            I don’t grasp your think, what it sounds like to me, is that ALL your kind are jealous of the successful, you want some of it for yourselves, because YOU think your entitled without having to lift a finger for it!___ Whether a business flourishes or falls, is none of yours, mine or anyone else’s damn business. Unless you work for them or buy they’re products! Get over yourselves!___and look in to the real problem today, Government’s boot on our throats, regulation and crazy tax and the very real possibility,of another economic crash!_-But no, you ignore the signs and say the economy is coming back, your either a liar or a fool. If your spreading lies, you can change that, but you can’t fix STUPID!

            God tells us “the poor will always be among us” to see to it, that we help care for them. If THERE WAS MORE MONEY LEFT IN OUR POCKETS AFTER TAXES, maybe just maybe, we all could do more to help!___But The Government insists on playing ROBIN HOOD, who steals from the rich and gives to the poor.___ Quite frankly as TIME said on another thread, there is something definitely wrong here in America, you can feel it, if you can’t, you living in a dream world, and I feel sorry for all who refuse to see it!

          • Jay

            Angel Wannabe, you go girl! Excellent post by the way, unfortunately, it is wasted on the likes of eddie, who are here, only to argue for the sake of arguing!

          • Jay

            Eddie, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Jeryl:

        Do not forget, the facsist Kenyan campaigned on fundamentally changing the U.S. and the brain-dead electorate marched along. To use a line from a 60s song: And the band played on…

        Sow the wind. Reap the whirlwind.

    • karolyn

      He DID got to church with his family on Easter.

      • Jeryl

        Oh, yes, so that definitely proves he’s a true Christian? Not! Most of the people in the C & E club are simply professors, not possessors.

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy:

      If I had not raised a son of my own who was, ah, somewhat trying in hs teens aand eary 20s I would simply throw up my hands and give up.

      HOWEVER, that being said and having finally seen good results in my son by not giving up I shall persevere.

      “I feel the president is a faithful man who can be trusted in his devotion”.

      His devotion is to Islam, George Soros and the destruction of our nation – as we know it. Remember Jeremy, he compaigned on FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING THE GREATEST NATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

      Your post reads like one of your whacked-out, round-eyed, bearded Marxist professors wrote it. You would get an A.

      Just continue hanging around here Jeremy and the truth will set you free. Also, listen to Limbaugh whenever you have time.

      • DaveH

        Don’t kid yourself, Henry. Liberalism is a religion to Jeremy. All the facts in the world aren’t going to change his mind. As evidence, just count the number of times he uses the word “believe”. Hopes and Dreams aren’t easily dissuaded by facts.

        • Jana

          DaveH,
          I am sad to say that I think you are right. He is blind to the truth.

        • Jeremy Leochner

          You do have me there dave. But know I am a agnostic who simply has his views when it comes the religion of political ideology. I dont worship liberalism and I dont hold firm to its every dogma. Please bear in mind my views are from evidence presented by both sides. I can perhaps concede certain conservative proposals or ideas are better as any reasonable person would. But I have yet to see that which proves that liberalism as an ideology is somehow insufficient or bad when compared with conservativism which could therefore just as easily be proven to be insufficient or bad. Ideologies are not matters of good or evil. They are simply views and beliefs with a specific designation. We all want our country to be a better and stronger place. I just believe liberal ideas are a good way to do that. It appears you believe conservative ideas are the way to do that. I do have conservative views as well. And I say I believe because that is the only nomencalture for me. I dont know, I dont have faith-well okay perhaps I do, I hope im right but that dosen’t sound certain enough. I figure a belief is a belief. I value equality and liberty. I value peace and freedom. I want everyone to have an equal playing field. And I want people to have recourse against those who might hurt or abuse them. I simply believe liberalism is the best way to provide that.

          • DaveH

            First of all, Jeremy, I don’t believe you have the open mind you claim.
            Secondly, I know that our English language is not precise, unfortunately, so you need to know what most people call Conservative concepts are really Right-Wing concepts. True Conservatives believe in the policies instituted in the beginnings of our country by men like Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington. Right wingers simply don’t. That is, Real Freedom — the Freedom to control your own body and property unmolested by the force of Government.
            I think Liberalism is easy for you to grasp because they promise so much good stuff. Whereas respect for other peoples’ bodies and property demands a lot more effort.
            If your mind is truly open, Jeremy, then you should start reading at Mises.org. The most down-to-earth information you could hope for is contained at that website.
            Another thing, for a real wake-up call to just how severely you’ve been brainwashed in the public school system read one of these two books by Thomas DiLorenzo — “The Real Lincoln” or the later treatment “Lincoln Unmasked”. That is IF you want to be awakened.

          • DaveH

            I want to add, Jeremy, that your statement “I value equality and liberty” is an oxymoron. Equality (as Liberals mean it) is not compatible with Liberty (lack of Government force). We are not, and never will be Equal. Some people value free time more than physical wealth and comfort, so don’t want to work hard. Others value their toys and accomplishment, so do want to work hard. I respect both, except when the former wants to use fanciful Liberal concepts to deprive the latter of his hard earned rewards.
            As Margaret Thatcher said “Socialist Governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other peoples’ money”.
            And if you really do value Peace and Freedom, you need to get over the mindset that either can be achieved by Liberals forcing their ways on other people. And I will save you some response time, Jeremy, because I know you will deny the “forcing” part. But Government is Force. If you vote for Government to implement your agenda, you are voting to force your way on others.

          • DaveH

            Okay,
            Now I will sit back and wait for Jeremy’s typical starry-eyed response.
            Meanwhile for entertainment you can listen to this while we wait:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0

          • Jeremy Leochner

            I would like to say Dave that I have lisetned to many a argument from conservative. I know about the more state and local government inclinations of our founders and of their policies in that regard.
            As to Lincoln as a Civil War buff and Lincoln enthusiast I have read and seen many a book on him. And I have actually met historians on Lincoln and have heard all manner of anlysis on him. As to the book I shall try to read all of it. Though I will say I disagree with the title which uses the phrase Unecessary War since in my view the Civil War and the War against slavery was while perhaps not ultimatly the fate of our country was by no means a choice on the part of Lincoln.
            As to liberalism I will say Equality and Liberty since they are the virtues of our republic are compatible. The equality of the senate with the liberty of the house while often in conflict form the basis of our and every sucessful republic. My views are not of government force but of regulation. Laws are not government force unless you say any and all laws are force in which case I would think your argument is that there be no laws so that no ones liberties are violated. I know this is not your argument so I am simply saying my argument is not that extreme either. I want regualtion not constraint. Wanting standards of quality is not force. As to money may I point out I as a liberal have to pay taxes like everyone else and any tax increases I propose would effect me as well. I hope to be rich some day and will feel no shame or anger in paying my fair share of tax money to help our country. I consider it patriotic to pay and its hard for me to sympathise with the top 2% of wage earners, who are the ones I wish to increase the marginal tax rate of back to what it was during Clintons administration, when they’re taxes are at an historic low while large cuts are being made to many essintial services used not by the top earners but by the lowest. Could it not be argued the richer are taking the poors money away since the poor have earned basic services to provide them with the means to improve their lot. My point is I dont like the idea of stealing or using other peoples money. But I will say by all appearences right now the top earners are doing just that and I as a person not as a liberal find it difficult to understand why those who even suggest we increase taxes and cut spending are decryed as socialist and spoken about as though they had suggested we eliminate corporations and adopt communism rather than simply debating over the practicality of financial issues involving decreses in specific spending or increases in specific taxes.
            Finally I will say what you were expecting. I dont see how majority vote in a republic equates to force. I dont wish to have majority tyrannize over the minority but in such matters the status of minority and majority seems to switch so easily. If the majority of the people elect a liberal politician and the majority of the politicians are liberal or vote for a so called “liberal” plan how is that force. How does the majority candidate or the majority plan which is the way I wish to have such ideas implemented equate to force. Liberal policies are the same as conservative ones in that regard. Would you then not call it force when cuts to services are made. Would you then not call reductions in taxs force. My point is liberalism dosen’t equate to forcing ones views unless you also say conservativism equates to forcing ones views. You may disagree but the point is you can disagree and try and vote in a new politician or push a new initiative. If the majority of the people dont like something they can vote it out. I tend to be a supporter of liberal or rather policies proposed by liberal politicians will always support what I support and depending on how strongly I feel I will defend it passionatly. But its everyones right to agree or disagree and vote accordingly. I just hope my side gets the most votes because I feel our plan is best. If not I will disagree and challenge the new bill however I can but I will not treat it as force upon an unsespecting people. Voting is a voice and force requires a lack of voices. Im pretty sure in elections and debates there are plenty of voices.

          • Jana

            Jeremy,
            If you are as open minded as you claim, when you grow up and have some real life experiences you will know that what you are espousing is ridiculous.
            By the way you stated you are in college I believe? How old are you Jeremy?
            I am glad you have a desire to be rich someday. If we become the Socialist country that this current admin. wants us to be, that won’t be possible.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            With respect Jana: People have been telling my that for several years and though I have become more moderated I am still firm in my views. But I do admit perhaps life will change me a little.
            I apologize for “aspousing” but I dont see how raising taxes and cutting spending or having regulations to keep corporations in check is all that unreasonable or radical.
            Finally I dont wish to give away personal information on a post. I am in my twenties is what I can say. I am fairly young but still I feel I have claim to some “real world” experience.

      • Eddie47d

        Old Henry; Listen to Limbaugh to get the truth? We aren’t THAT gullible.

  • Doc Sarvis

    President Obama, born and raised in the United States as a Christian does not wear his religion on his sleeve even though he is a more devout Christian than Reagan claimed to be and probably more so than Bush claimed to be.

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Fantasy is for children Doc, but your STILL free to believe what you will.

      • Doc Sarvis

        It is easy to tell me I am wrong but hard to back it up.

        • RicSeag

          Well said!

          • Jeff R

            Sorry but Mr Obama is NO Christian. The Bible, God’s Word, clearly teaches the sanctity of life which Obama clearly does not beleive. He beleives it is every woman’s right to abort a mistake, that no one should be affected by a mistake. The Scriptures teach that all life is a gift there are no mistkes. The churches that Obama has often frequented would probably not pass as Christian as they tend to teach hate. Just because Obama has gone to church does not make him a Christian just like Bill and Hillary going to church does not make them Christain. Obama has many times praised Islam and its contributions to society. All you have to do is read the Koran and you can see it is a book of hate and violence. I don’t trust Obama to do anything good and America cannot tolerate another 4 years of polices designed to destroy America.

          • Amy Beth

            Jeff R

            Have you actually read the Quran? Muslims believe that the Quran was verbally revealed through the angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) from God to Muhammad gradually over a period of approximately twenty-three years beginning in 610 CE, when Muhammad was forty, and concluding in 632 CE, the year of his death,[4][12][13] and that the Quran was memorized, recited and written down by Muhammad’s companions, called Sahabas, after every revelation dictated by Muhammad. Most of Muhammad’s tens of thousands of companions learned the Quran by heart and recited it repeatedly in front of Muhammad and/or his companions for approval.

            The Christian Bible on the other hand is a collection of stories written sometimes hundreds of years after the event actually took place. The Early Christian Church then took the big collection of stories and decided which ones to include in the Bible. Just average men decidicing what to include and not include, and Gabriel told Muhammad what to put in the Quran.

            Kind of like the seven deadly sins, no proof about them being deadly sins, someone just made it up.

          • Jana

            Amy Beth,
            Have YOU bothered to read the Qu’ran?

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Doc, if you need someone to take you by the hand and literally show you what Obama and his band of Merry thieves has done to this Country, then you deserve to scrounge & wallow in what ever lies store. I do have to give you libs credit, you loyal to a fault and willing to go down with the ship. I’m glad you kind didn’t create the Constitution, but it does give you the right, to believe & say whatever it is you believe_ as it does me & mine.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Again – no proof.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Doc, you don’t have any proof either!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Proof; He has been going to Christian Churches all of his married life. Probably even longer.

          • http://naver samurai1966

            Jeremiah Wright’s church is NO Christian church. Not with all the hate speech going on there. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Samurai1966
            I believe that church is a United Church of Christ and while there may have been some inappropriate comments issued from that church that is NOT a unique occurrence from many Christian or other denominations.

          • Vigilant

            DS says, “Proof; He has been going to Christian Churches all of his married life. Probably even longer.”

            As if that is what defines a Christian. Sorry, Doc, that’s neither proof, nor a very strong perceptiveness on your part. You’re a lightweight, son.

            Of course, you would be the first to say that a pastor who blurts out “God DAMN America” is a practicing Christian. That and other anti-American, anti-white diatribes are what define the “church” attended by Obama for 20 years. And that poor excuse for a human being (Wright) was the one who married Obama.

          • Vigilant

            DS says, “while there may have been some inappropriate comments issued from that church that is NOT a unique occurrence from many Christian or other denominations.”

            To borrow your phrase, “again – no proof.”

            May I submit that your attempt to euphemize Wright’s bellicose, disgusting and inflammatory screeds as “inappropriate comments” again shows your propensity to play fast and loose with the truth.

            Your word games are the games children play. Grow up.

          • Vigilant

            DS says, “…many Christian or other denominations.”

            Not sure if that’s another one of your word games or just plain ignorance.

            “Christian” is the generic, “denominations” are the particulars.

          • independant thinker

            The definition of a Christian is one who believes the only way to get to heaven is thru his/her belief in Christ. Obama has stated he believes there are many ways to get to heaven. Draw your own conclusions.

          • Doc Sarvis

            independent thinker, that MAY be one definition though I did not find it in my search. Here is what I found in the dictionary defining “Christian”:

            1. of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.
            2. of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country.
            3. of or pertaining to Christians: many Christian deaths in the Crusades.

          • Vigilant

            “Doc,” you’ve not disproven one word of what independent said.

            If you need to go to a dictionary to discover what it means to be a Christian, I have serious doubts about both your general knowledge and common sense.

          • Angel

            Standing in a garage, no more makes you a car than going to church makes you a Christian. CHRISTIANS do not support and make it easy to SIN. Abortions, partial birth abortions, gays, all are against what it means to be a true Christian. True Christians do NOT compromise. EVER! They don’t ride the fence. Jesus said if you are not FOR me, you are AGAINST me.

            I much prefer that he NOT dirty my Savior and Kings Name by speaking it. It would be sacrilegious coming from his filthy mouth…the liar that he is.

            He has used our precious Constitution as toilet paper as well. Obama…just plain makes me want to throw up!

          • Angel

            BY THE WAY…The Word of God also states that you will know them by the fruit they bear. For some of you that don’t understand the meaning of this…as you know an apple tree by it’s apples, a lemon tree by the lemons, you will know a Christian by how they act (what find of fruit they bear). Patience, love, knowledge, wisdom, truth in all things, love of righteousness, obedience to the Word of G-d and His commandments.
            Sorry, that isn’t Obama.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Doc, going to church DOES NOT MAKE SOMEONE A CHRISTIAN.
            I don’t go to Church, because I don’t believe in organized religion. I however read the bible and believe accordingly, but I don’t need to take over the world because of it!.

            Obama was groomed from the time he was very small to do the very thing he’s doing. (You’d better do some reading, other than the liberal news media) People can only “do” what they know to do. He’s been raised by commies,_ this used to be America.

            BTW, while I’m at it, I don’t know who you Liberals think you’re fooling by coming on a Conservative and spewing your beliefs. Personally I believe it’s done for a few reasons, one, you take our beliefs back to the bosses so they can develop and argument for it. Secondly, ya lost the election in November, so as not to look as if, you threw in the towel, you cry fowl just to keep the ball rolling, hoping to keep the rest of your base on “your side” and in the dark.___ If you folks can’t seriously connect the dots at middle east up rise, Google, Soros, Code pink,the Muslim Brotherhood, who is also Al Qaeda Your bigger fools than I give you credit for. Our economy is being destroyed, to other countries it makes us look weak. A Weak Country is a vulnerable Country___NOW TAKE THAT BACK TO YOUR RESEARCHERS and come up with an argument for that!_-Your Liberal tactics have no merit with me, go speak to those who would listen__NOTHING you say WILL “EVER” CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT A LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE___ENUFF SAID!_ NO MORE RESPONSES TO LIBS_-Just a waste of time!!!

          • Jana

            Doc S,
            I wrote this above to Jeremy, but am rewriting it just for you.
            Obama may go to a ‘religious’ service, but it does not make him a Christian. Christianity is a way of life. It is much like being pregnant, you either are or you are not.
            Obama has done a lot more than try to be “non partisan”, he has shown by his actions that he does not stand with Christianity. In fact, he has more openly embraced Islam than Christianity, which definitely is not ‘non partisan’.
            When he tries to talk about Christianity he stumbles all over himself. It isn’t in his heart. This is called discernment, which we are supposed to have and use. We know them by their actions.
            To be a Christian is to be Christ like, and Jeremy Wright as well as his ‘new supposed spiritual leader’ do not walk the walk or talk the talk.
            The very fact that you said “President Obama, born and raised in the United States as a Christian does not wear his religion on his sleeve even though he is a more devout Christian than Reagan claimed to be and probably more so than Bush claimed to be.”******** shows that you don’t know what you are talking about. It is always so funny how someone who is NOT a Christian thinks he knows so much about true Christianity.

          • TIME

            Angel,
            The twinkie has his head up his own BUTT, so he see only what’s there and its a crapy mess.
            {Don’t waste your time with his worthless rhetoric or any of the other worthless waste materials.}

            Work on people who will wake up, work your town, city, or local venues I tell you that people are waking up, they know in their gut that something is very wrong.
            They just can’t grasp how bad it is nor how deep it is.
            Go slowly and lead; YOU are a LEADER.

          • Average Joe

            Angel Wannabe,

            Boy you said a mouth full. Loyal?….No it’s more like a religious following, what I like to call them “Social Fundamentalists”. If it comes from the left ( be it media, pundits or WH talking heads), it is “Gospel”. To disagree is blasphemy…plain and simple. That’s when the name calling and hate speech comes out of the left. It’s funny how they claim it is us that are hateful and…. racsists ect. but are usually the first to call someone a name or bring the race card into the conversation…and if you are face to face…they will try to shout you down….while espousing their right to free speech…..you can have that free speech too…as long as you agree with them. You must become part of the collective….resistance is futile! How dare us to have original thought….rather than the thought of the day as handed down from His Holiness on Capitol Hell!
            They can claim that they are atheists,agnostids, christians etc….but that is a lie…
            “Social Fundamentalism” (liberalism) is akin to a religious cult and they have swallowed the Holy Koolaid from the Fountain of Utopia.

            Never become a FUND A MENTAL!

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Time, Nah, I’m no leader, bee through alot myself and I just speak my mind__ and I DO IT MYYYYYY WAAAAYYYY!___Thanks Frankie! :)

          • Jana

            Angel,
            You are indeed a leader. You are also a treasure as you are a very wise woman.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Thanks Jana! :)

          • Amy Beth

            You mean like the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer? Wall Street is doing quite well right now.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Amybeth, Just for the record, like the rest of us, your welcomed to take your ideas and your azz to the streets, and take ALL the risks, necessary to start a business. Get successful, Then when the Guv wants half of what you earn in tax and regulation, while still trying to run that company, pay hospitalization/benefits, paid vacations, tell me if it worth the friggin hassle?___You bleeding hearts crack me the hell up. If there is more money left in peoples pockets they may be more charitable like they used to be. Look Honey__ I was suppose to have been an abortion, we were poor and I didn’t know it, til I went to school and saw what I didn’t have!__Just beceause your poor, doesn’t mean you have to stay there, I didn’t, get off your azz and make something of yourself or help someone else do it_-Instead of trying to get rich off of someone else__No more to say, no more responses!!!!

    • Vigilant

      DS says, “President Obama, born and raised in the United States as a Christian…”

      Either you deny that he spent 4 childhood years in Indonesia, or you believe Indonesia is one of the 57 states Obama talked about.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Okay, except for four years. That correction does not change my point.

        • Vigilant

          Nor did it change your playing fast and loose with the facts.

          • http://naver samurai1966

            We both know that the libs don’t let something like the truth get in the way of a good rant. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Doc Sarvis

            So you agree that I made my point and I acknowledge President Obama spent 4 years of his youth outside of the U.S.

          • Vigilant

            Yes, I agree you were caught and found no factual way out of your culpability.

          • Jana

            Vigilant,
            You got that right!

      • Kilgore Trout

        This discussion is not about Christianity or who the pastor is – this is nothing short of outright Racism. No one made an issue of whether Reagan, Bush or Clinton played golf or went to church on Easter. This is about white Americans who can’t stand the fact that there is a person of color leading this country. The fact that you called the pastor of the church that Obama attended for Easter a junior varsity Jeremiah Wright, I wouldn’t doubt that we see a pastor rating system initiated.

        Perhaps you would rather he have gone to a service conducted by Pastor Terry Jones!

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          KT, whos gives a Rats Azz whether or the Prez is ANY color, its his policy buddy boy, trying to claim racism is lost cause, get over it and yourself. Find something else to blame it on, how about the truth, his policies suck!

          • Vigilant

            “KT, whos gives a Rats Azz whether or [not] the Prez is ANY color..”

            The liberals do, Angel. It’s the reason Obama got elected.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Good point Vigilant!

        • independant thinker

          I would love to see a person of color as you put it leading this country that person being Thomas Sowell.

          • Vigilant

            Sowell is a tremendous conservative thinker who’s able to cut through the leftist Bs like a hot knife through butter. I agree with you.

            The liberal mindset is such that you are called a racist if you question any of Obama’s ruinous policies, but any conservative black candidate is called an “Uncle Tom.”

            The Dems fought civil rights since the Civil War, even voting against the Civil Rights legislation in the 60s. Once they discovered they could keep the blacks in chains by making them dependent upon government largesse, they belatedly discovered they could keep slavery alive and well. If anyone in this country is racist, it’s the leftists.

        • Vigilant

          Oh Oh! Kilgore has played the race card! (gratuitously and unsubstantiated as usual amongst those who have no factual basis for their comments)!

          Aren’t we all shaking in our boots now?!

          KT, that dirty pool doesn’t work any more.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Lol vigilant!

        • Jay

          Believe it or not, Jimmy Carter, President has-been, also accused Obama critics, blacks included, as being racists! You should be proud Kilgore trout, you’re in good company!

          • Vigilant

            They used to quote that “patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” They need to update that shibboleth to “playing the race card when not warranted is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          KT… If only he was leading this country. He is living in the White House, but he is not a leader! And yes, I think he went to church on Easter because his ‘handlers’ told him it would be a good photo opportunity to prove that he is a Christian. Only God knows for sure.

          • Vigilant

            Too bad for him that the pastor turned out to be “Rev. Wright lite.”

        • Angel

          Racism my backside! I am white and I would almost LOVE Dr Manning to be the president. He doesn’t like the long legged macdaddy either…and he black! So get over yourself…PUHLEEZ!

        • Jeryl

          Give me a break! Racism!? I haven’t seen a single racist comment. The truth is he’s the worst president in the history of the United States. The fact that he’s African American has absolutely nothing to do with it. We don’t like him because he’s a stinking socialist – nothing more. When one has no other arguments, sink into the mire to pull up the race card!

        • Jeff R

          What Obama has shown thus far is certainly not leadership and though he may have darker skin then most people in this country the bottom line is Obama was basically raised White. He has no clude about Black culture. Lets remember that he is a community organizer and not a leader. Mr Obama is clearly the worst President during my life time. It is really hard to displace Jimmy Carter but Obama has come out the clear winner as a lousy executive.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Stop playing the race card.You,yourself,just admitted that you are racist.

        • Amy Beth

          You are right. It’s not about being Christian, it’s the fact that they don’t like an African American in the White House. They try to Disguise it by saying things like he wasn’t born in the USA, or he’s a socialist, and he’s a muslim. But what it all comes down to is, I don’t like that black Guy being our President, therfore he is not my President because he wasn’t born here and he’s a muslim and an American President must be a white Christian. This crowd here will never admit to anyone including themselves that is the case. You can tell it just by reading just a few of their comments.
          Face it folks, he is our President, the people of this country legally elected him. Like it or not. But, hey you can elect Sarah in 2012 if you pay enough.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Amy Beth, Obamas postion in the WH was bought and paid for by Soro’s. NOBODY gets in the WH as President, unless they are choosen, if you wanna believe your vote still has a voice, well you go ahead then__But Ya better do some hard core reading other than the Liberal Arena Media!!!

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Ammy Beth, It almost sounds as if your picking our Conservative brain, to take the info back to your Liberal Thinkers to create and agrument????!!!___Hmmmm?

          • Amy Beth

            Angel Wannabe
            You said something I can actually agree with. Nobody gets in the White House unless they are chosen. So, that means in 2012, or 2016 when a Republican gets in he or she will have also bought their way in. It all comes down to money. The one with the most money wins.

          • Amy Beth

            Angel Wannabe says:
            April 29, 2011 at 2:14 pm
            Ammy Beth, It almost sounds as if your picking our Conservative brain, to take the info back to your Liberal Thinkers to create and agrument????!!!___Hmmmm?

            Another statment I can agree with. Conservitive BRAIN. The conservitives only have one brain among them, and the only thing that one brain seems to know is lower taxes, and cut spending on popular social safety nets so the top 1% of the people in the nation get richer.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Ammy Beth___ Go read_ you’ve alot to learn :)

          • Jana

            Amy Beth,

            Your statement:”You are right. It’s not about being Christian, it’s the fact that they don’t like an African American in the White House”.

            Hmmm, I notice that when someone doesn’t have anything substantail to say they resort to playing the OLD race card.
            You are so WRONG.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Amy Beth. Jana’s right, when you Progressives are backed in a corner you strike like a Mother Bear defending her cubs. How convienent it is for you use, Obama being black, instead of our real argument, which is his Marxist/Socialist policies and communist background. Your WRONG and you lose this argument. While some folks May resent the fact Obama is black, it is by no means ALL of us. Grow up get a life and face facts!

        • Jay

          Oh, I see what you are really trying say kilgore. What you’re saying is, anyone who criticizes Obama does so because he is black, and yet, I have heard many here tell you they were criticizing his policies. BTW, did your pee size brain consider the fact that there are BLACK PEOPLE among the critics of obama? Would you accuse them of being racists as well? According to your line of reasoning, any one and everyone who criticizes Obama does so because he is black, so then are you also saying, that anyone who supports and doesn’t criticize obama , does so, because he is black? That’s brilliant Kilgore! BTW, what level of education did you attain, grade 2?

    • Jeryl

      What planet are you from?

    • Jay

      Doc Sarvis, you are correct when you said , as a Christian, obama, does not wear his religion on his sleeve, but you forgot to add, he also doesn’t have it in his heart! For how can someone wear, what someone does not posses?

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    He is a muslim and a pagan.

    • Doc Sarvis

      What is your proof of that?

      • Carlucci

        His name is islamic and he bowed to the king of saudi arabia. No other president has ever done that. He also wasn’t wearing any jewelry during Ramadan.

        • Doc Sarvis

          His name does not determine what religion he is. He was probably given that name to honor his father. As for the bowing to somebody; I guess I should jump to the conclusion that since Bush held hands with Saudi royalty, that makes G.W. a homosexual?

          • Bitter Libertarian

            LOL…hand shake of the pimps!

          • Carlucci

            Doc Sarvis says:
            April 28, 2011 at 10:39 am

            His name does not determine what religion he is. He was probably given that name to honor his father. As for the bowing to somebody; I guess I should jump to the conclusion that since Bush held hands with Saudi royalty, that makes G.W. a homosexual?

            I lived in Saudi Arabia for several years. Hussain is a muslim name. Bush was holding hands with King Abdullah because (1). It is a custom in that country for men of all ages to hold hands, and (2). King Abdullah is over 80 years old and suffers from a myriad of health problems like many people in that country. He dyes his hair and beard and looks younger than he is.

            I don’t like Bush at all, but for you to imply that he is gay is ridiculous and simply shows your ignorance.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Carlucci,
            I agree that Bush being gay is ridiculous which is the point to the bowing incident being ridiculous. As for his name being Muslum because of his name; so everyone given a Christian name like Mark, Luke, or John is automatically a Christian? Get real.

          • Vigilant

            Carlucci, you are, as usual, absolutely correct.

            Men holding hands is also a custom in the Far East. “Doc” seems to think there’s an equivalency between holding hands and bowing to a monarch.

            When one head of a nation bows to another, it’s not a display of friendship, it’s a display of obeisance. Obama seems to have some mental block when it concerns the sovereignty of the United States. His universal apologies for the US and glorification of Islam are strong indicators of where he’s coming from.

            In the wake of his denials of American exceptionalism, he might be a citizen of the US, but he’ll never be an American in the best sense of the word.

          • Jeryl

            Actually, bowing at a near 90 degree angle to a foreign king is highly significant! The President of the United States is not supposed to bow to any foreign monarch. He is the elected representative of a free people. Bowing is a sign of subservience. Our President is not supposed to be subservient to any monarch. He shamed virtually every American by his actions. I say “virtually” because it’s obvious that some people are so ignorant that they didn’t even realize the significance of the bow.

          • Kate8

            Jay, I believe bowing to the Saudis was an explicit act of submission. He knew Americans would be too ignorant to see it. Essentially, he was handing America over on a silver platter. They already own our education system, much of the media and much of our government.

            He proves who he is continually. Most Americans just refuse to see it, especially those of the Left.

      • Jay

        What is your proof he’s a Christian, his label? You are a very deep thinker, Doc Sarvis!

    • RicSeag

      The fact that you call him both a pagan and a Muslim, without any evidence, just shows that are likely too stupid to even know what those two words mean, let alone recognize the contradiction….

      • http://naver samurai1966

        Still no sources yet, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Jeryl

        To Christians, Muslims are pagans.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Jeryl… And to Muslims, Christians are infidels!

          • Jay

            Both of you are correct!

    • Cawmun Cents

      Offer no proof other than a true Christian would have announced publicly that Christ is risen and therefore Easter is actually the very most important celebration for Chrisitans.It is the quissentential representation of being born again into a new life.This is the whole reason for becoming a Christian in the first place.If you fail to acknowledge that on the calendar day chosen for that blessed event,one could easily question anothers zeal.Perhaps even his fealty to the King of Kings.But what do I know?…Apparently very little.

      • Angel

        AMEN CC…One day however…every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord…whether they want to admit it or not. Then they will be judged.

        • Jeryl

          Agreed, Angel.

      • James

        Cawman Cents, The most powerful tenent of Christianity is Christ’s Resurrection. He proved His power over death. Easter, with its hunting for eggs is an old pagan tradition. The term ‘Easter’ (Acts 12:4) was translated from the Greek ‘Pascha’ which in all of its other 28 New Testament occurrences was translated “Passover.” It was the Passover they were celebrating, not Easter.

        • Jana

          James,
          You are so right. The word Easter is NOT in the original manuscripts.
          It is supposed to read Passover.
          Easter has been turned into candy and hard boiled eggs and Easter bunnies, anything to make people forget that Jesus is the reason for the season.

          • Average Joe

            Say it ain’t so!…Next they will try to take Christ out of Chritmas and start calling it “The Holiday Season”…Oh wait…they’ve done that too…..

    • Jeremy Leochner

      Its rather difficult if not impossible to be pagen and muslim at once. Also what proof is there that he is muslim?

      • Eddie47d

        Obama walks a tight line between the two faiths he grew up with;Muslim and Christian. Saying he should stop respecting either just because you don’t like one or the other is shallow minded. I feel lucky to be a Christian but I don’t go around hating Muslims like some do. Some on this site seem to be saying Obama should hate his grandmother and the Muslim friends he grew up with. They want him to denounce Muslims to prove he is a Christian. I say that is the work of the devil for he knows the good Muslims and the good Christians and he has been a Christian allot longer. This could be a test from God to see how we accept other people and how we love our enemies. This is definitely a strong test for our nation in being tolerant of all faiths. Accepting the Muslim people doesn’t mean anyone has to convert and shouldn’t. Faith has to come from the heart and from knowledge not forced on anyone.

        • Jeremy Leochner

          Well put Eddie. Know I meant no disrespect to the President or to muslims. I believe the president is a christian but I can understand he would have some influence from muslims. Both deserve respect.

          • Jana

            Jeremy,
            We all know you don’t mean any disrespect. You don’t come across as having a mean spirit. You come across as someone very nice, that is why we keep conversing with you. We feel you are worth it.

        • Jay

          Obama walks a tight line between the two faiths he grew up with;Muslim and Christian.

          Eddie, if your claim that you are a Christian is true, then you would know that one cannot be a Muslim, while at the same time be a Christian.

          Saying he should stop respecting either just because you don’t like one or the other is shallow minded. I feel lucky to be a Christian but I don’t go around hating Muslims like some do. Some on this site seem to be saying Obama should hate his grandmother and the Muslim friends he grew up with. They want him to denounce Muslims to prove he is a Christian.

          Eddie, no one here made such a ridiculous statement, and that statement, is nothing more then your fabricated accusation!

          I say that is the work of the devil for he knows the good Muslims and the good Christians and he has been a Christian allot longer.

          Eddie, are you saying, the devil, knows who are the good Muslims and who are the good Christians, or Obama, and how do you know that he has been a Christian a lot longer? Again, how can one be both, since both, Christianity and Islam, are exclusive! However, the religion of Socialism, is all-inclusive. Perhaps you are looking at this issue through the lens of socialism!

          This could be a test from God to see how we accept other people and how we love our enemies. This is definitely a strong test for our nation in being tolerant of all faiths. forced on anyone.

          Eddie, now you are suggesting that you know the mind of God and that He wants to see how we love our enemies. Why would God, since He is Omniscient, want to see how we love our enemies? Since he is Omniscient, and you should know, since, as you say, you are a Christian, then your statement therefore, is nonsensical at best!

          Eddie, you are very proficient in the language of socialist double-speak! As to your claim of being a Christian, unfortunately, we only have your word, or double-speak!

      • Jay

        JL says, Its rather difficult if not impossible to be pagen and muslim at once. Also what proof is there that he is muslim?

        Jeremy, what you are actually saying, its rather difficult for a human being to be a hypocrite. Also, what proof is there that he is a hypocrite/muslim? As your self-rightious friend Amy advised, We must judge someone by his actions, not his words!

  • MASON

    What is the real definition of EASTER? In Acts 12:4, this word appears this only time in the entire Bible. The word literally means PASSOVER. Passover was an Old Testament observance that God required of Israel. We are not amenable to the Old Testament (the Law of Moses). No one can Biblically prove that EASTER was ever observed by Christians in the New Testament. EASTER has become a secular tradition of easter bunnies and easter eggs. Many denominations over time have co-opted the word EASTER and used it to mean the Resurrection Jesus Christ; these denominations “celebrate” His resurrection on the first Sunday after the the first full moon after the spring equinox. But as stated, you cannot find the Christians of the New Testament ever observing this EASTER DAY. There is not New Testament pattern or example for this observance. It is not there.

    What then do Christians do to recognize and give homage to Christ and His Resurrection? They in accordance with the commands and examples of the New Testament, observe the Lord’s Supper on every First Day of the Week (Acts 20:7) In 1 Corinthians 11:26, in regard to observing the Lord’s Supper, said: (1 Cor 11:26 KJV) “For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord’s death till he come.” This is testimony to His Resurrection and Lordship.

    I urge people to go to the Bible for all religious instruction and observances. Find the book, chapter, and verse that authorizes Christians to engage in any and every activity in the faith. Then obey the Word of God in that regard.

    Mr. Obama’s neglect is no doubt an insult to believer’s in Jesus Christ. Actually he did not violate any New Testament commandment or example by not recognizing EASTER. I do think that his actions reveal that he is not really who he says he is. That is of the chieftest concern to me. The nation needs to deal with that.

    PRAY FOR AMERICA

    • Cawmun Cents

      Deinition?Define miracle for me,will you?

    • Bitter Libertarian

      “What then do Christians do to recognize and give homage to Christ and His Resurrection? They in accordance with the commands and examples of the New Testament, observe the Lord’s Supper on every First Day of the Week (Acts 20:7) In 1 Corinthians 11:26, in regard to observing the Lord’s Supper, said: (1 Cor 11:26 KJV) “For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord’s death till he come.” This is testimony to His Resurrection and Lordship.”

      Friend..Help me out here…I’ve studied the Bible a tad and dont Recall God’s Commandment regarding the 7th day ever being deleted. My studies have shown me that these interpretations you are giving forth are “religious” in nature, not Biblical. Acts 20:7 is discussing “what they did” not the laws/orders of God. And as far as 1Cor 11:26-key words..”For as often”. Not “do every week or else…”

      • Kilgore Trout

        If you wish to abide by the bible – I believe that since Christ said to Peter, upon this rock I shall build my church – we should all belong to the church setup by Peter – the Catholic Church. All other Christian churches broke away from that church because they disagreed with how things were interpreted in the bible. Southern Christian churches broke away from their main body because they believed slavery to be part of God’s plan. Even Pastor Jones says he looks to the bible for direction. As far as I can see the bible was written and re-written by a bunch of politicians to control the population. They are nothing more than guidelines on how to live a good life. Love they neighbor, take care of the sick and poor and honor thy father and mother. Those who want to do away with social security and medicare, must not agree with that part of the bible.

        • Bitter Libertarian

          Your right but theres much more to the complexity of how we got from “there” to where we are “today”.

          It seems as though you may doubt the integrity of the Bible Translations? Cant say I disagree. Were you aware of a translation called (poor spelling-sorry) The Greek Septuigent? 70 scholars took 7 years to translate the Bible from Hebrew to Greek which is a very presice language. And if you doubt the translations you can get software to actually read the bible in its original form.

          My issue with religions is they make allot of pomp & ceremony and IMHO miss the point. Christ Died for all mans sins (including muslims) and that redemption is even more important then the creation because of what God gave us. THATS the real meaning & THAT is “celebrated” every day that you live within Gods laws and show him Love & respect.

          • Kilgore Trout

            There is a whole series of gnostic gospels that were either dropped from the bible or left out because the church did not like them. I can’t remember the title of the actual series of lectures put out by Minister of few years ago discussing this very subject.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            I looked into it, but not convinced. There are many Bible Scholars who dismiss these “lost” gospels….

        • Bitter Libertarian

          As far at the Catholic Church..what it WAS and what it IS are 2 different things……the Church he set up IMHO does not exist any more.

        • Jeryl

          No, wrong. The “rock” that Christ referred to was the fact that He (Jesus) was the Christ and the Son of God, not upon Peter. Peter was referred to as “little rock” while the fact Christ referred to was a “large stone.” A play on words with a real meaning.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Yeah Jeryl,the Catholics,who charge people indulgences to get out of purgatory(a place which Biblically does not exsist),cant figure out why Peter isnt exactly the quissentential”rock”that the church was founded upon.They take the small part of the scripture and dont take into account what the whole of it meant.I believe that is called eisegesis,if I am not mistaken.Since Paul was appointed by Christ to be the apostle to the gentiles…why isnt he the apostle of their church?Such conditions can only be answered by God Himself.But it seems as if someone didnt read the scripture correctly.Perhaps Peter went to Rome and Paul did not?Perhaps Peter who was castigated by Paul for attempting to demand that Jewish law was the way to salvation,was the rock that Christs church was built upon….hmmm,kind of doubtful though….

        • Kate8

          Kilgore – Catholics claim rights to St. Peter, but there are many who would disagree with that. The Council of Nicea didn’t come about for some 400 years after Yeshua lived, and I’m certain that establishing the Catholic Church was not what He had in mind. The early Christians were not even called Christians. They were practicing Jews who followed the path of Yeshua, who, when asked how one could be saved, said “Follow me”. He was not Catholic. He was a Jew.

          The Catholic Church was established as the controlling arm of the Roman Empire.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            kate8_ and the Catholic Church is also manipulated by the controlling elite!

  • David

    Why do adults insist on believing in fairy tales. Please people, grow up and put the childrens stories away. Strengthen your minds and your balls, there is to much serious work to do rebuilding this country according to the Declaration and Constitution to waste time with religious fairy stories.

    • RicSeag

      They ware their time with this -mas with the birther crap – because the real work is too hard and too complicated for their feeblemindedness.

      • http://naver samurai1966

        I haven’t seen you post any facts or sources yet, moron! David, if you think that the Resurrection of Jesus is just a fairy tale, then I suggest that you go back to where you came from. I do agree though that there is a lot of things that need to be done in this Christian nation, but being ignorant with rants, like you and Ric, aren’t going to have any progress be made now or in the future. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Kilgore Trout

          This concept that America is a Christian nation is a total falsity. Yes, the words “endowed by our creator” are there, but, God does not connotate Jesus Christ or any other particular religious figure, merely the belief in a creator. This madness of attempting to Christianize this country is nothing more than evangelism!

          • Bitter Libertarian

            I have to agree…I like America, and no where in the Constitution does it mention Christianity. Religious freedom is how you believe & worship your creator & your salvation. In reality as long as you believe in a Creator & salvation you are within the scope of the origins of the nation. BEYOND that is dangerous ground! I know of NO place in Scripture where it commands to go out and START & PUSH RELIGION. NOR does the Constitution push Religion..its called FREEDOM…not FORCEDOM. :)

          • Jay

            This madness of attempting to secularize and de- Christianize this country is nothing more than evangelism!

          • Bitter Libertarian

            You may want to reconsider your stance…religious Freedom is the Govt secularizing. The Founders were ABSOLUTELY for secularization of the nation! They did NOT want a GOVT SPONSORED or ENDORCED or MANDATED Religion thats what England had! The Govt should have NO opinion or endorsement of any Religion..as soon as it does….Religious FREEDOM IS DEAD.

          • Jeryl

            The four major organic documents of the United States are: Mayflower Compact, Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Northwest Ordinance. Of those, three are significantly Christian while the Constitution is strongly Christian in principle. Your ignorance of American history is appalling.

          • Kate8

            Kilgore – The documents are all dated “In the year of our Lord”.

            Just which “Lord” do you thing they are referring to?

        • Bitter Libertarian

          May I suggest that dying for all mans sins (the act that saves us) is much more important then celebrrating his resurrection?

          • Angel

            Yes, Jesus was crucified and by His crucifixion we can be saved for life is in the blood and Jesus shed His blood for us. But let’s not keep Jesus on the cros and dead. He ROSE! The devil set out to kill Jesus and when He rose again, therein lies the VICTORY! He defeated Satan in that Resurrection! There is Alot MORE TO THIS THAN PEOPLE REALIZE. (Sorry, cap lock stuck) I READ my Bible, I LOVE my Jesus. 30 years now…one can learn allot if they are a true Christian and not only talk the talk…but walk the walk!

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Bitter Libertarian… I respectfully disagree with you. The Christian faith is totally based on the fact that Jesus came out of that tomb. I do not discount His pain and death that He suffered for us, but if He hadn’t risen, scripture would have been wrong and we would not be able to be forgiven and accepted into the body of believers and heaven. The Bible is not wrong and the predictions that were made in the Old Testament came to pass. This is what I base my Christian faith on.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            You disagree, thats ok. I follow several biblical scholars on this and am not alone. However dont misunderstand me. I am NOT down playing the resurection. what I am saying is that people Celebrate openly the resurection (ok fine) but get all quiet & boo-hooey on his sacrifice. The Reality of this is this is the SECOND GREAT Blood sacrifice with Gods hands directly on it. The first Blood sacrifice was when God slain the sheep and made coats to cover Adam & Eve’s sins. The second Blood was when he Sacrificed his son on the cross for Us. Yes Raising from the dead was sgnificant, not saying it wasnt, but in no way greater then the sacrifice for all mankind born & unborn upon the cross.

          • Jana

            Bitter Libertarian,
            I do agree the fact that Jesus sacrificed himself and the suffering that He went through shows that He truly was a GREAT MAN in that he was even able to endure what He did.
            I personally am too weak, I could never suffer like He did, and then He forgave His tormenters. He is the Son of God, yet He was mortal, and this sacrifice was humongous.
            John 15:12-13
            2 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
            13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

            Praise God for such a great love.

            The reason we celebrate His resurection is because it was the final act of defeating Satan.

            We could not have had one without the other.

    • Vigilant

      David,

      While I agree that “there is to [sic] much serious work to do rebuilding this country according to the Declaration and Constitution,” you can’t honor the Declaration and Constitution by revising the phrase, “We are endowed by our CREATOR…” This was not some fairy tale second thought by Jefferson, it was CENTRAL to the whole concept of Natural Law.

      No, I am not a Christian, and one does not have to be a Christian to acknowledge the supremacy of Natural Law, anchored in the concept of a Creator. Secular humanism furnishes NO absolute and unchanging moral guide to action.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        I agree 100% – Well put!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      David… By your post I can assume you do not believe in the Bible. Why?

    • Cawmun Cents

      You mean the Declaration which clearly states that we have certain unalienable rights given to us by the Creator,(notice too that capital letters were used.Making sure that the title of Creator was one of respect.) a fairy tale that apparently Thomas Jefferson(the man who penned the Declaration)also believed.You are woefully undereducated if you think he(Jefferson)was not a believer.

  • big mike

    What is Øbama’s religion? He is a Narcissist. He worships himself.

    • Doc Sarvis

      That would seem to be a prerequisite to be President as I can’t think of a recent one who was not self obsessed (except maybe Carter).

      • Jay

        Carter was a limp wristed socialist! Probably one of the most useless President ever, in my opinion!

        • Doc Sarvis

          I was not saying anything about how good or bad of a President Mr. Carter was. I was providing my observation that he did not seem self obsessed unlike all other revent Presidents.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Actually Carter is self obsessed.

        • Vigilant

          And he still is, Jay.

          It’s typical of Democrat administrations to send appeasers to every corner of the world to fix problems. Here we have Carter, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize (soon to be available in Cracker Jack boxes), who won it AFTER his failures in diplomacy in N. Korea were divulged, being sent back to that nation to once again naively believe their promises of relinquishing their nuclear intentions. I don’t need to quote the definition of insanity, do I? Nor do I need to allude to the details of Munich, 1938, do I?

          Add to that the flaming anti-Semitism of that poor waste of human flesh, and you have the poster child for all that’s typical of the American left.

          • Vigilant

            Carter, BTW, has done more damage to this country after he left the presidency, than he ever did as a one-term Apologist-in-Chief.

        • Jeryl

          He and Obama are running a close race for that honor. But, good point.

          • Eddie47d

            Carter had a strong Christian faith and practiced it. Worshiped regularly and always has done good works. That is much more than I have seen from some self confessed Christians. You just can’t put money in the collection plate on Sunday and then do bad deeds the rest of the week.

          • Jay

            Carter was an incompetent POTUS, and his administrative policies were an absolute disaster! Was he a Christian? Only God knows for sure, Reverend Eddie, who is and who is not, a Christian! But, if I remember correctly, in a previous post you alluded to possessing Omniscience and being privy to the mind of God! Do tell!!!

    • James

      Big mike, Obama was raised as a muslim in India, by his step father. How one is raised usually determines how they act. He has bowed to muslim leaders in the Middle East, when no other U.S. president has ever done that. Walking in and out of so-called Christian churches, that mainly talk about the sore lot of Blacks, doesn’t make one a Christian.

  • James

    In the King James Bible “Easter” occurs one time (Acts 12:4). It was translated from the Greek ‘Pascha’ which in 28 other New Testament places was translated as ‘the Passover’. If memory serves Ishtar was a pagan goddess and the annual egg-hunt was looking for her return. What does Easter have to do with Christianity?

    • http://n.cates@cox.net Norman F.

      Easter is a time for celebration for Christians. It begins at dawn when most Christians have the celebration of the resurrection of Jesus the Christ. At the last supper (passsover) with His disciples, Jesus transformed the traditional Passover to his death and resurrection, You would have to know the details of the Passover meal to understand this. The Passover consisted of two components; the Lamb and the blood. The significance of the blood was the protection it afforded the Jews by being spread on the doorposts of the house to protect them from the death Angel which killed all the first born of the Egyptians. The meal was to be eaten completely with nothing left. Any leftovers were burned so as to make the lamb disappear forever.
      Jesus told the disciples that His blood and body were to take the place of the Passover and we were to celebrate His sacrifice. That is what we do at Easter. The bunnies and candy eggs are just to distract the children

      • James

        Norman F., I’m familiar with the Passover celebration, but your “Jesus transformed the traditional Passover to his death and resurrection” is lacking in scriptural authority. The ‘last supper’ wasn’t the last Passover, Exodus 12:14 reads: “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast of the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it as a feast by an ordinance for ever.” Painting their doorframes with the blood of the slain passover lamb protected them from the death angel.
        1 Co. 5:7 says: “Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us,” but that didn’t replace the annual Passover festival. 1 Co. 11:26: “For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come.” Communion is an optional service for as oft as one desires.
        The last supper’s bread and wine symbolized Christ’s body and blood which He sacrificed for us. It started the Communion Service we partake of, to remind us of that, but it did not repeal the annual Passover requirement. Substituting Easter and egg hunts for the Passover is unscriptual. All early Christians celebrated the Passover.

        • Jana

          James,
          Amen.
          When I learned this I too started celebrating the Passover.

    • Jay

      Better question, what does Ishtar the pagan goddess and the annual egg-hunt looking for her return have to do with Christianity?

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      James… I will give you my take on Easter. Easter is a pagen holiday where the Easter bunny comes and leaves baskets of candy for the little kids. My church does not celebrate Easter. We do not even refer to Easter. Jesus arose from the dead (which most call Easter), which we refer to as “Resurrection Sunday”. Jesus overcoming death and arising is the basis of Christianity.

      • James

        Robin from Arcadia, IN, I agree, read my above comment on that. I’m an ole Hoosier too.

    • Jeryl

      Your specifics are correct. But, as a Christian, I honor the day as a time of remembrance of the fact of the Resurrection of Christ. Christ wasn’t born on Christmas day, nor did he have a Christmas tree, but I use that day as a day to celebrate the birth of my Savior and have a Christmas tree for the same purpose. If you’d rather do it on another day and in another way, have at it.

      • James

        Jeryl, I agree with that also. There is no requirement to celebrate Christ’s birthday, nor is there any evidence that early Christians ever did. In fact, there is no agreement on just when it occurred. December 25 was a pagan celebration of the return of the Sun, the end of winter. To compete with that, the Roman Church held a special Mass and invited all comers, which is where ‘Christmas’ came from. Cutting down a tree and decorating it is denounced even in the Old Testament.

  • Jay

    Obama is not a Christian! Obama is a foundation operative and agent of Wall Street finance capital, controlled by Zbigniew Brzezinski, George Soros, and Goldman Sachs.

    Obama’s mother was an official of the Ford Foundation, the World Bank, and US AID. By all indications, Obama was identified for future political use by Brzezinski at Columbia in 1981-1983, during Obama’s secret lost years.

    Obama has worked for the Gamaliel Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, the Woods Fund, and the Annenberg Foundation as a community organizer – a poverty pimp, a cynical opportunist who uses suffering people as a political commodity.

    The foundation strategy is divide and conquer, pitting blacks against whites against Hispanics against Asians, to prevent any challenge to Wall Street. Racist provocateurs like Wright and Pfleger, along with Weatherman terrorist bombers Ayers and Dohrn, Obama’s best friends, are cast in this mold.

    Rezko, Auchi, and Al-Sammarae represent the cesspool of Chicago graft and corruption in which Obama cavorts. Schooled in Nietzsche and Fanon, Obama qualifies as a postmodern fascist.

    An Obama administration would strive for brutal economic sacrifice and austerity to finance Wall Street bailouts, and for imperialist confrontation with Russia and China.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      “Obama is a foundation operative and agent of Wall Street finance capital, controlled by Zbigniew Brzezinski, George Soros, and Goldman Sachs.”
      You forgot the federal reserve. :)

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Well said Jay and Bitter Lib!

  • Cheri’

    ” Nos. 2 and 3 of the Top 10 Days God Says You Better Remember “? Can’t find that in the Bible. God’s people (Believers) celebrated His Feasts and Sabbaths, yes – but not “Good Friday”. And the 1st day following that spring Sabbath is “Feast of Firstfruits”, a name by which Christ is also Biblically called, NOT E-Ster, which is a pagan name with a hideous history that has been secularized. I’m not at all unhappy the President didn’t wish Believers “Happy E-ster”, and traditionally, the Egg Roll WAS on the Monday following, so apparently our President is returning to some tradition. What is bothersome is the apparent emphasis to include a minoity of our country by disrespecting the majority. It’s distressing Believers are given less than Muslims in the form of Presidential acknowledgments, when before the world there is bowing and feasts honoring gods most Americans (ignore Believers for a moment) DO NOT KNOW. Hmmm…

  • FreedomFighter

    —–
    I neither want, nor need, to hear Obama wish me a “Happy Easter.” Given his flashes of fascist flair, I’m more concerned that he might order me to have one.
    ——

    If Obama gets a second term, the orders will be far more harsh and oppressive.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • jopa

    Carlucci:There was just in recent days a video being shown of Graham, McCain and Joe Lieberman in Libya meeting with Gaddafi.For some reason each one went over and bowed just as they were shaking hands.That must be just a courteous gesture over there.That was when we were on better terms with Libya.

    • Carlucci

      I don’t know why they would bow to Khaddafi as he is not royalty (even though he apparently thinks he is). Sometimes people in other cultures will bow to others. If they are Buddhists, they will put their hands together, and the higher the hands, the more they respect you. When my husband was chief of optometry at the largest eye hospital in the middle east, Bedouins used to bow to him, shake his hand, and then some always tried to kiss him on the top of his nose (a symbol of the utmost honor and respect for the recipient).

      I cannot remember any U.S. president bowing to anyone. I’ve always wondered why most of our presidents did not attend royal weddings.
      Nancy Reagan attended the wedding of Prince Charles and Lady Diana, but Ronald stayed in D.C. He probably had no intention of bowing to the queen of England.

  • Lorraine

    This is for Doc … here’s your proof. Barry’s Muslim. And this Birth Certificate is a lot more believable than the bogus made up one that’s just been put out there for us … http://artemis360.com/obama/obamas-real-birthplace.php

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Lorraine… Thanks for the link!

      • James

        Robin from Arcadia, IN, I have a Kenyan ‘CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH’ signed by John Kwame Odongo on 8-7-1961, just 3 days after Obama was born. The link’s certificate is different and was signed on 17 Feb. 1964.

  • SpiritualMadMan

    What did you *really* expect from an America hating Muslim???

    I don’t care what his “profession” of faith is…

    What is his “fruit of action”…

    • Jay

      Good point, Spiritual. You shall know them by their fruits!

      • Bitter Libertarian

        And that melon on his shoulders is Spioled. NOT TRUE to the OATH.

        • Jay

          Whet oath, bitter?

          • Jay

            Oh yes, to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America!

          • Bitter Libertarian

            The Oath to the Constitution..of the USA

    • Jeremy Leochner

      Action is important. I do hope to see mor of it. But lets just be honest for the sack of argument. I dont believe the elected President of The United States is America Hating or a Muslim. And besides if he can do a good job it dosen’t matter what his religion is for the sack of argument.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Not true. Religious beliefs do matter. They tell what the character of the man is.

        • Jeremy Leochner

          I am an agnostic what does that say of me.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jeremy, in essence, being Agnostic means you can’t make up your mind!

            ag·nos·tic/agˈnästik/
            Noun: A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            I suppose thats accurate. I dont believe in god but I believe in a spiritual world and that our lives have meaning beyond what we can see. My point is what does that have to do with my character.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Jeremy, Your statement/question of “I’m Agnostic what’s that say about me?”

            I say if your happy about what you believe or don’t believe, why do you care what others think? All I say is whatever you belief is, fine, but the Original Founders worshiped the God of Abraham, and the Constitution was written in accordance to what they believed, and alot of us still believe in today. Just because folks don’t believe in a God, doesn’t make the Constitution wrong!

          • Jana

            Jeremy,
            Your character? It shows you have a closed mind. It says you are not as smart as you think you are. It says you have been gullible and yet you have claimed that none of your teachers have ever influenced you.
            It also says you are more than likely following in your parents footsteps.

            You have your eyes closed and you cannot see the truth, and your ears are shut so you won’t hear the truth. As the Bible says in Ezek 12:2
            Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.
            KJV
            You have rebelled against your country. You have despised your heritage.

          • Jana

            Jeremy, I will tell you what the Bible says about you,

            Rev 3:15-22
            I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
            16 So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
            17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and have gotten riches, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art the wretched one and miserable and poor and blind and naked:
            18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold refined by fire, that thou mayest become rich; and white garments, that thou mayest clothe thyself, and (that) the shame of thy nakedness be not made manifest; and eyesalve to anoint thine eyes, that thou mayest see.
            19 As many as I love, I reprove and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
            20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
            21 He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne.
            22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            I dont mean to impose Wannabe. Im sorry I guess I am a little debate and argument crazy. I dont wish to disrespect religion or my country. I just have my views. I believe in our republic and I believe in trying to do the right thing as best one can. I dont believe the constitution is wrong. I just dont believe it is based on christianity alone.
            Jana: Please know that I love my country, hard as it is to believe. I took a pledge as we all did and I could never break that pledge. I never meant to insult religion if my posts have implied. I simply meant to say I am an agnostic so I know where those who dont believe in god are coming from. But that dosen’t mean I am hatful or disrespectful of religion. I assure you I know I am not very smart. If I was would I be a glutton for arguments from those I disagree with. I dont wish to insult anyone or appear close minded. Its just hard for me to full convey my whole argument or to agree to disagree via computer posting. I would never want people to think Jeremy Leochner an unreasonable man. I only wish to say what I believe with conviction as best I can. I want to listen to others views and present my in turn. I dont wish to force them or be closed minded though.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Well said Jana!

          • Cawmun Cents

            First of all Jana,what have you provided for Mr. Loechner?You use spiritual scripture but one that doesnt recognize the Spirit,cannot know these things.So you have done what the Lord commanded you(through the observations of Paul) not to do.We must be careful in how we respond to someone as Christians.There is always hope that Jeremy can find or will be called by the Lord.But to say things that have no meaning to him in the name of the Lord is unhealthy for you,him,and Christianity itself.We are here to provide an example,and I know that I am not always a good example.But please do not use scripture meant for saints,in a way to be seen as contemptable by non-believers. I do however commend you for exhorting believers.I wish that more exhortation would be part of these posts,to build us in our knowledge of the Lord,and to strengthen our resolve,so as not to become easy prey for those who wish to discredit us. Thank you Jana and all the other believers on this thread…God bless us and keep us prepared for His return.

          • Jana

            Cawmun Cents,

            In my reply to Jeremy, I was replying to him on what the Bible says about his stance. Of course we can all have a change of heart and that is my sincerest desire for Jeremy that he will see the truth. Part of seeing the truth is hearing what God says about where he is right now.
            You may be right, that these things hold no meaning for him, but I certainly hope they will cause him to look harder into the scriptures.
            His stand is a dangerous one as he thinks if he does good things God might take pity on him and take him on to heaven.
            I want him to know that that is not the case. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ.
            I still stand by my answer as it is what God says. I think if you will reread ALL of my answers to Jeremy you will see the balance you are looking for.
            Jeremy is supposed to be a man, he is making manly decisions for his life. He needs to hear truth, not touchy feely good stuff. That is what is unhealthy for him.

    • Jana

      SpiritualMadMan says:
      April 28, 2011 at 11:22 am
      What did you *really* expect from an America hating Muslim???

      I don’t care what his “profession” of faith is…

      What is his “fruit of action”…***************************

      Wow, you said a mouthful here. His profession of faith is as good as his sworn promise to uphold the Constitution.

  • Jeryl

    Ben, while I agree with the basic tenants of your article, I cannot help but state that it is important for a President who presides in a country that by self-admission is a strong majority of those who at least claim to be Christians. As such, his disregard for Easter and other high holy Christian days is nothing more than a slap in the face to those he claims to represent. I certainly hope that those same people remember his shenanigans in November 2012.

  • http://com i41

    The niggardly marxist/communist muslim in the WH now, was trained in a goat abusing madrassas, not a USA school. These so called “churches” this idoit has attended should lose the tax free status, they all are job money raising schemes for democraps for years, especally the black victumology whining sessions. I have asked how in the hell all of these “revs” of black culture, have so many illegiamate children and concubines, and still be so full of hate and b–l s–t. Al Sharpton supposedly was ordained at age 10-11, where did the degree come from for the whorehound tax cheat get it, from a feed sack? Shake down Jackson was another phony freak who all marched with the head whorehound himself, the community agitator “rev” ML King, the socialist communist to the core.

    • Amy Beth

      Have you been to one of these church services? If not who do you know so much about what they preach?

    • karolyn

      i41 – Many Christian pastors in the Bible Belt are pastors just because they say so.

  • Peter

    God, through our founding fathers, gave us our constitution to guide us through the tumultuous waters of politics and governance. God, through Jesus Christ, gave us the Bible to help us through the tumultuous waters of our life. If we give ourselves to understanding both of these gifts and apply both to what we need to do to preserve ourselves and our country, we will prevail. Our freedom to be responsible and self reliant will endure forever.
    As I read some of these posted comments, I see the hand of evil at work. It is not that the authors are evil, but their words divide and conquer in spite of good intentions. The false premise, the questionable facts, the name calling all divert our attention from the good and honor in each of us.

  • Anthony

    Let’s go back, to a time before Religions were the beginning of slavery on this Planet…. There was the occult….

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal20.htm

    2. Spring Equinox – 13 weeks – Minor sabbath but does require human sacrifice

    a. March 21-22 – Goddess Ostara – Note: Easter is the first Sunday after the first new moon after Ostara. March 21 is one of the Illuminati’s Human Sacrifice Nights
    b. April 1 – All Fool’s Day, precisely 13 weeks since New Year’s Day!
    c. April 19 – May 1 – Blood Sacrifice To The Beast. Fire sacrifice is required on April 19.
    d. April 30 – May 1 – Beltaine Festival, also called Walpurgis Night. This is the highest day on the Druidic Witch’s Calendar. May 1 is the Illuminati’s second most sacred holiday. Human sacrifice is required

    Now, with the research I’ve accomplished over the last 3-4 years.. each source speaks on this in a general sense. Check out the other so-called Holidays they list for the rest of the year.

    I know Easter was just last April 24th … so don’t get your underwear in a wad. Remind yourself what it says above about Easter.

    I can tell you I favor the christian sentiment. I don’t pay much attention to Zodiac (Virgo), or any crazy eightball predictions, etc. Your future is what you make of it. Still, to find out that religion very well might have been altered to mirror what you read on that webpage….. Hmmmmmm

    Do we want to wonder what they did on Easter at the Bohemian Grove?

  • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

    Definately not one of your more astute articles.

    Soetoro is a communist muslim. He was spawned of communists, raised by communists, mentored by communists and began his carreer in the home of a communist terrorist.

    He wnet to this fringe “church” simply to placate the polls and tighten the wool over the eyes of the electorate that Trumpy has been tugging in the upward direction.

    I wonder if Soetoro has his wedding rign back from the shop and has found his watch?

    • Jana

      Old Henry,
      You said it, and you said it well.

      • Eddie47d

        Old Henry is pathetic!

        • Jay

          You are what you speak Reverend Eddie47! You being a Christian, as you have stated, should know that! Did you purchase sin-credits the last time you were in church and are now using them up, Eddie boy??

  • Polly

    I am 70 years old female. Going to church and saying you are a Christian does not a Christian make. When a person has accepted Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and has asked Him to be thier Saviour that person then uses the Bible as their guide for righteous living. A definite change takes place in their lifestyle. Jesus said by “their fruits you will know them.” Are the fruits present in the President?
    Ask you yourself?
    Jesus also said that if you deny me I will deny you before my Father in Heaven. We are just passing through this world. This is not your final home. Hell is as real as Heaven.

    • Amy Beth

      You are so right, going to church does not make you a Christian, just like standing in a garage doesn’t make you a car. On the other hand not going to church doesn’t mean you are not a Christian. Being a Christian is reflected in your daily actions and the way you treat others. God tells us we should love everyone, even our enimies. From reading comments here it seems there is a lot of hate out there among conservitives especially towards there liberal brothers and sisters and those that look or worship differently.

      • Jana

        Amy Beth,
        You are jsust trying to start something here, not add to the conversation. No one is showing hate, except 141 and he does that to everyone.
        When someone knows the truth, you cannot fool them.
        Sorry sweetie, we know enough about Obama’s mentors and we are NOT being fooled.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Hear Hear Jana!!!!

  • http://com i41

    He doesn’t wear a ring because he has jumped so much rope, he and Big Mamee just jumped the broom, and then moved in with their black coven to distribute to the genetic pool of idoits since all loony (offensive word removed)seem to do. Since he was raised as a muslim and educated in a madrases which he said he was. That is one sick perverted ideology to be brain washed in. Why would the freak bastard continually seek out off the wall smucks,to worship with and be buddies with and around.

  • Amy Beth

    President GW Bush and President Ronald Reagan never issued an Easter Proclomation either. It’s shameful they way you treat this president. Attack his policies if you will but to attack the man’s citizenship and faith is just wrong.

    • Jana

      Amy Beth,

      President Bush and President Reagan also honored the National Day of Prayer, which encompasses all religions, not just a certain one.
      Neither did they pray to Allah in the White House as has Obama.
      Neither did they proclaim the Islamic call to prayer is the most beautiful sound to them. Neither did they fondly quote from the Qu’ran.
      By the way we are attacking his policies. HE IS BAD FOR OUR COUNTRY. HE IS ENEPT AT BEING THE PRESIDENT.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Jana, You go girl!!!

      • Amy Beth

        Do you know that Obama has prayed to Allah? You’ve seen him do it? Actually, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have the same God. Therefore even if he does pray to Allah he is still praying to the same God as you and I. The muslims however do not believe Jesus to be the son of God or their savior. Like the Jews the believe that Jesus was a profit and that their savior is yet to come. Islam is however a very strict religion, of course so is Christianity, but Christians just ignor the parts they don’t agree with and it’s become main streem now. For instance, working on the Sabbath. How many of you go out and cut the grass, go shopping, cook, clean or do just about anything? Should you go to hell for that? You are in fact breaking God’s law.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Ammy Beth, We all are guilty of sin for something, and you as well for passing judgement___Your serve!?

          • Amy Beth

            But I’m not here pretending to be holier than God and passing judgment on our President because of how he practices religion. I am trying to point out that you all are passing judgement on a man you really don’t even know. I personally don’t care if the man is a muslin Christian, Budist or an Atheist. He wasn’t put in the White House to worship he was put there to help run the country. So why are you preocupied with his religion?

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Amy Beth____ yes we do know Obama, those of us who did NOT vote for him, didn’t vote for him because we studied his past for casting a ballot, we studied, that of which was not, paid 2 million to cover up!

            I’m sorry honey, your on a Conservative site, myself aand many others on here, are die hard conservatives, a Progressive outlook, that of which takes more and more of the money we earn to feed Family, Pay bills & our Freedoms__ are not welcomed, nor accepted. We are closed minded when it comes to being truley free!

          • Eddie47d

            I like you Angel but sometimes you are overly closed minded.

          • Jana

            Amy Beth,
            You stated that Judaism and Christianity as well as Islam all have the same God. FALSE!
            Ask any Imam, or practising Islamist. Why do you think that they call us infidels for if we served the same God?
            Right now Iran is doing their best to bring in the 12th Imam, known as the Mahdi. In reading what the Mahdi stands for, I can read in the Bible what the anti Christ stands for and guess what, they stand for the same thing.

            You asked someone in an earlier post if they had read the Qu’ran. I will ask you, have you?

          • Jana

            Amy Beth,
            To answer your question if we have seen Obama pray, they showed on the news (and the program was so proud of it) Obama taking his shoes off and getting on his knees on the floor and bowing down to pray to allah. (not captialized on purpose as allah is a false god)
            I did not hear him pray, but he sure gave a good imitation of it with a huge smile on his face to boot.
            We know them by their actions.

        • James

          Amy B., Acts 4:10-12 reads: “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole…Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”

      • karolyn

        Jana – Would it upset you if he quoted from the Talmud or from any other religious scripture? If there is something good to quote, what difference does it make where it comes from?

        • Jana

          Karolyn,
          Keep up! That not even the point. Good Grief!

  • Bianka

    Ben Crystal: This article, full of ilogical conclusions in an effort to fan myopic hatred and deviate from the principal govermental problems at hand, is ANOTHER of the OCCASIONS in which those that believe in Human Rights, the Golden Rule, and the U.S. Constitution of maybe up to 1969 -1972, MAY BE RENDERED HEART-SICK TO HAVE TO SUPPORT YOUR RIGHT TO SPEW THIS VENOM.
    I would sooner have a just and fair man who attempts to rule with a tempered hand, than a ‘holier than thou’ sort who may even attend religious services daily, yet is nothing better than a scumbag. I believe these are called ‘wolves in sheep’s clothing’!! There are too many scumbags already, isn’t it painfully obvious???

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