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Storming Into November

November 3, 2012 by  

Obama is ready for his closeup. Playing pretend President. And the Democrats’ creepiest campaign yet. All this, plus, Halloween, jihadi-style! Presented in 1080 hi-def, FOR FREE! It’s The Great Eight, from the Personal Liberty Digest™!

 

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Karolyn

    Lame, lame, lame. It’s getting really old, but it’s like a traffic accident that people slow down to look at – can’t help but check out what kind of garbage Ben has to contribute to the well-being and solidarity of this country.

    • hipshotpercusion

      Why do you come here? Take your lame a$$ but back over to the Huff Po!

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        That is a shameful thing yo say to someone who is telling the truth and you are so blind to see it

      • old hillbilly

        now, now, now – mustn’t be critical of Karolloon. It’s had to be lovable when chained to loosers. Loved the picture of “more” michael – a rather large beast – was he washed ashore in NY? Did anyone feed him – looked hungry for something………..

      • Nadzieja Batki

        walter & renee agard, since Karolyn believes and writes the same things you do about O, you would believe that she tells the “truth”. There are others on this site that know otherwise.

    • http://mozilla robert e. lee

      we conservatives , who are actually knowledgeable and unbiased and non-bigots will save this nation from ideologues like yourself;; you get to ride for FREE, which you always do.

      • eddie47d

        So you are admitting this is how “knowledgeable” Conservatives think and act. Thanks for confessing that little tidbit about yourself and that very BIASED opinion. The comedy clubs will love you!

        • muse1876

          Conservatives don’t want the gov’t. in their business. Did you know that the IRS will have your medical records? Why? If you can’t pay for your health care, the IRS will take it. Do you really want to see this happen. This is suppose to lower costs, who is going to pay for the illegals? Do the hospitals turn them away? Or do the taxpayers pick up that cost as well?

          We take care of our family, friends and neighbors, we don’t wait for the gov’t. to do anything for us.

          The liberals will stand in a garden full a food and wonder why the gov’t. doesn’t tell them to eat it. The gov’t. isn’t your friend.

          What the gov’t. gives, the gov’t. can take.

    • dan

      ….if you can’t handle the heat just go to the kitchen and make some cookies….

    • http://twitter.com/mrmo57 Maurice Jackson (@mrmo57)

      The net is a big place, so go some place other than here..
      And please don’t have a good day, you sure bring us down….

      • Karolyn

        If you are that easily brought down, I really feel sorry for you, and I mean that.

      • Roger

        Like I said sad very sad

    • DTOM74

      What’s the matter Karolyn? [comment has been edited] because the Left are being exposed for their ignorance and hypocrisy by Ben while having a little fun with it?

      The only “traffic accident” happening is hopefully next Tuesday when real Americans and patriots spit you left wing thieves, murderers and race card pimping whores to the curb.

      If you are all concerned about the “well being” of our country, then get a job, take care of yourself/family, live within your means and stop blaming your neighbor for your problems. Teach personal responsibility to others. It’s for the collective good. And “solidarity?” Obama is among the most divisive and anti-American Presidents ever.

      • Karolyn

        You know absolutely nothing about me. How dare you judge me. I guess you people don’t htink Ben can stand up for himself. God forbid he responded to any posts on his Great 8 or his blogs. He’s above that I guess. I got more of a laugh out of your responses than from Ben (which ain’t really sayin’ much, though!).

      • Warrior

        “solidarity” really? Karolyn, he did dare and you’re just a liberal hack like the rest of the mao loving bloogers like littel edda and jeremy flashman. Just cutting through the “red tape” to tell it like it is.

      • eddie47d

        Your not cutting through the red tape Warrior and the Republicans are putting up yellow tape to cover up the economic and war crime scenes that Bush brought us. You still have the Republican “troops” guarding those Bush messes and stopping the economy from moving ahead.

        • muse1876

          Eddie47, Where is Obama’s budget? Why won’t Reid put to vote over 30 bills that the Reps. have put forth? Why do we not hear about all the deaths Afghan. has brought us? Why did we apologizing for buring a Koran, which is the proper way to get rid of it since it was defiled by Muslims? Has anyone apologized for all of our Military that were shot in the BACK? Obama said he would stand with the Muslims if the tide changed. Even Biden said that in the last 4 years the middle-class has been crushed. He read that off a teleprompter.

          When Obama said to vote it is the best “revenge”, do you plan revenge on a loser or a winner!

      • Dennis48e

        “…to cover up the economic and war crime scenes that Bush brought us.”

        bush has been gone for FOUR years eddie If it was all his fault we would be seeing significant improvement in the economy. If there Bush were involved in any war crimes obama the “its not my fault it is the previous admenstrations fault” complainer would have brought him up on charges by now.

        • BR549

          Thank you Dennis for laying out the truth of this circus side show we call politics.

      • eddie47d

        Bush/Cheney are being fiercely protected by their handlers in the Republican Party . If they smack Bush down there goes the party. Now we can’t have that now can we. Obama still hasn’t done anything as atrocious as Iraq or even the housing meltdown. Apparently you can’t see that either.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          EDDIE47d this is not about BUSH anymore , Obama has everything he needed to effect growth in the free markets by enabling the Investment world of private finance to fund and expand the Supply of everything Food an Fuel durable goods all to expand profits and increased Tax revenues and he did not do this but instead directed a Shariah Law Financial system called ZERO interest M1 Money supply that pays NO Private sector BOND Holder to Hold a private Financial Position in the M1 funding categories and so he is Not only Bleeding dry those Private Financiers that feed a Private sector financial system that then turns around and funds a Equity market system Privately and FREE of Government control but in fact Obama has BECOME all of these Things with the Federal Reserve acting as the Financial Custodian for the Shariah Financial system thats slowly collapsing the FREE market with the ZERO interest Policy that Shariah law requires . This is because of OPEC telling saying they will stop using the dollar if the ZERO interest policy is not the monetary Policy of the Federal Reserve , so our FREE Market system are dieing a slow death due to this !!!!!

    • Karolyn

      Typical conservative response. Attack and denigrate the messenger. So sad that you can’t stand the heat of an opposing view.

      • Dennis48e

        Hypocrite thy name is Karolyn for that is exactly what you did in your first comment.

        “Attack and denigrate the messenger.”

    • Robert

      ODDLY ENOUGH, THE GREAT EIGHT IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THEN DAILY OR COLBART REPORT. WHICH ARE FOUND ON THE COMEDY CHANNEL. YOU DON’T COME HERE TO WATCH JOURALISM. IT’S A SPOOF ON IT. WHY IS EVERYONE SO HEATED TODAY? i LEFT A IMFORATIVE AN FACT BASED COMMENT ON YAHOO EARLIER AN WAS CALLED RIGHTIOUSE TURD, TOLD EAT [expletive deleted] AND WAS EVIL? ODD? GUESS WE ALL CAN’T BE DIPLOMATIC WHILE DISCUSSING OUR CASE OR IT’S REVALENCEY?

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Here is the Only Bipartisan Congressional activity our Government has been doing !!!! Dear Mitt Romney will you please tell the American People you will go to Washington DC and Clean this UP because Obama has done Nothing about this its Obvious ???? http://pro.wsdinsider.com/WCXUnicornPRCLive/PWCXNB01/

      • Karolyn

        Robert, Unfortunately, Civility appears to be a thing of the past. God forbid you don’t agree with someone’s beliefs. There is no respect for others’ opinions. Online everybody is anonymous, so the worst in people comes out without any repercussions.

      • Karolyn

        PS – There is no comparison between Ben Crystal and Colbert and Stewart.

      • http://none Claire

        Jon Stewart is my favorite. Always did like him.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          Stewart needs to be understood as a Comedian that has a Bias for Progressive values , and that is not a bipartisan solution to the representation of all factions in society so a balance of Power needs to be what shifts in the Tuesday election .

    • Robert

      Funny enough 3 out of four of my democratic friends have based there vote on what they’ve seen an heard on the daily show an the colbart report. scary huh. propoganda and spoof news.

      • Karolyn

        Have you ever watched Jon Stewart? He is really not all one-sided and interviews people from all camps.

        • Jeff

          Jon Stewart presents more factual information than Fox News.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Where was the MSM on the Benghazi charade? It was all over Fox. There is a deep need for truthful reporting on all stations. It is times for a new and truthful one. Why doesn’t the MSM have pride in what they report? Why aren’t the American people told the truth on EVERYTHING? Americans don’t want to be kept in the dark. It just pisses us off to learn that some AH in an office is decideing what I should hear.

          • Jeff

            Exactly. It’s all over Fox before anyone knows what happened. They know there’s something there but they don’t know what or where it is. That certainly doesn’t stop them from talking about it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            The Libyan US Ambassador and the seals were sacrificed because Obama didn’t want to look like Al qaeda was still active , but there are hundreds of training camps firing up all over the region Muslim brotherhood backed , so he made up the Video tape excuse and its all a cover-up and this truth will come out

          • Jeff

            Where exactly does Hannity place his fingers so you can type?

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Even the atheists are questioning Obama’s Foreign Policy on this Arab Spring disaster .

            Obama didn’t want to let this out that he made a Grave error in Trusting these guys would secure the Libyan Embassy and that we would not need a Security foot print in Libya so that it would look like he had solved the conflict between the Muslim world and the USA , but it bit him in the butt , State Department employed terrorists as guards in Libya ; http://www.theatheistconservative.com/2012/10/14/state-department-employed-terrorists-as-guards-in-libya/

          • muse1876

            I don’t know what he has said in the past.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            heres what he is going to be saying after the 1st of the year when we fall over the fiscal cliff , Every Cent You Make (I’ll be taxing you)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRRsfCD1Bh0&feature=related

          • Jeff

            Is that what you paid pre-George W. Hoover? You might want to check with your accountant. Maybe he just told you you had to pay that much. There is one born every minute.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Good afternoon Jeff , Great to see you getting out and about this fine afternoon .

          • Jeff

            I was out and about playing tennis this morning. We don’t all live on the computer thinking up new ways to say “socialist.”

          • muse1876

            Jeff, I am going to answer several of your comments. First I am a right wringer. I am surprised that you watch Fox. According to you I am in rightwing land. The worst thing for this country was to allow Welfare to become the major money for families. There are many on Welfare who truley need it. There are so many on Welfare that are scamming the system and we keep giving it more money and more freebies. I have read where people are beginning to see that you can live on Welfare as good or better than Seniors. Why would people work so some can sit on the butts and live the sweat of others. The Welfare system has done nothing but keep people in the slavery called Welfare. Welfare is now a bottomless pit of scams. If I worked, and saw some sitting on their arses doing nothing because they can get a Welfare check. Why would I work off my arse so you can sit on yours? There are so many who have no desire to do better, the only thing they want is a new Welfare freebie. Welfare recipients, not all of them, are still slaves on the plantation headed by the President. Not matter who is the President. The cycle of Welfare needs to be broken. When we are all on Welfare who will pay us? Ala Greece.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Even the atheists are questioning Obama’s Foreign Policy on this So Called Arab Spring disaster .

            Obama didn’t want to let this out that he made a Grave error in Trusting these guys would secure the Libyan Embassy and that we would not need a Security foot print in Libya so that it would look like he had solved the conflict between the Muslim world and the USA , but it bit him in the butt , State Department employed terrorists as guards in Libya ; http://www.theatheistconservative.com/2012/10/14/state-department-employed-terrorists-as-guards-in-libya/

        • muse1876

          Karolyn, There was a survey taken on video, if I can find it I will link it, the people were for Obama. When asked where they go their news it was Bill Maher, Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart. I am sorry if I didn’t spell their names right. To me that says that the alphabet news media is not worth taking up the air waves. It is also a sad comentary on our culture.

          • Jeff

            Have you watched Rachel Maddow? She certainly has a point of view, but she presents facts unlike the fact-free zone that is Fox News.

      • Karolyn

        muse – are you aware that each state sets time limits on welfare? Granted some are more lenient than others, but welfare is definitely not an unlimited source of income. There are also limits on how many new children can be added. Oh believe me, I have heard some stories that are mindboggling. A friend of mine knows a family with two sisters who have 8-10 kids each, following a long line of large families. When they run out of welfare in SC, they move to NC. There will always be people who work the system. However, there does need to be a safety net for those in need. Here is an overview of TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) funding, which is extremely low in some states, certainly not enough to live on. Of course, Food Stamp benefits provide for their food. I know a man of 64, living on $850 month SS who only receives $25 per month Food Stamps.

        There are no easy answers, and I do understand why people get upset about the waste and abuse. I see it every day here in rural SC). Despite the tightening measures that have gone on, there needs to be more oversight.
        http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3498

    • larry ryan

      I enjoy it. Here’s a radical notion. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it.

    • Palin16

      Yet you faithfully keep coming back every Saturday. Are you a masochist? I wouldn’t be caught dead listening to Rachel Madcow so I don’t go there.

      • Palin16

        response to Karolyn

      • eddie47d

        I don’t like listening to Rush “Limpjaw” but I do turn on his station once in awhile to see if he is crazy as ever. Doesn’t mean I have to like him. The same with Michelle Malkin where I read her columns once in awhile to see if she is still coming up with make believe stories enhanced with a small dash of reality. Doesn’t mean I have to like her either but it gives me insight on how right wingers think.

      • Kate8

        Paline16 – Though they all continue to deny it (it’s a requirement of the job), we know that the liberals who post here (and elsewhere) are nothing but paid shills. It’s been exposed to be so, and it’s all over the blogosphere.

        Besides, why else would they come here so faithfully, day after day, year after year, when they are so unappreciated?

        We only encourage them by allowing them to control the posts. I’m becoming more and more convinced that many come here just to smack down meaningful discussion. It gets old.

      • eddie47d

        LOL! I don’t get paid but I do enjoy “smackin’ down” your incessant conspiracy theories and some of the other baloney that gets labeled as facts by other commenter’s. Thanks for being so concerned. Now how much does this “proven” company owe me because I could use a little spare change. By the way who says you aren’t the one who is getting paid to peddle your propaganda?

      • Karolyn

        Kate says; “we know that the liberals who post here (and elsewhere) are nothing but paid shills. ” Kate, your head is so filled with conspiracies that you can’t imagine there are people who just want to debate and argue? Forums like this are a good way for people to argue their point anonymously. I do not like personal confrontation and would rather not get into political debates with people I meet who have views opposed to mine. It is not worth the stress. I don’t need to visit forums where everybody agrees because what’s the point? I don’t need anybody else’s validation of what I believe to be true. Also, there are points made on this forum I agree on from time to time. I have always stated that I have learned a lot here despite the petty personality clashes and being made fun of and worse. I only speak my truth. However, I could care less what aybody thinks. It’s just so annoying when people say that any liberals posting here are paid shills. Besides, it’s a bad habit I have (coming here).

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bla bla bla. Yada yada yada.

      • vieteravet

        So Karolyn the messages from Woods and the other CIA security personel were lies made up by Fox, which means you’re also calling the father of Woods a liar. They were told thy’d get no help and to stand down. It’s in black and white libtard!

      • eddie47d

        Yes Karolyn this site is like a cancer with no cure. I keep hoping it would get better but the biopsy says its spreading and inflicting others.

      • Palin16

        edduh, I wouldn’t listen to Madcow or any of her ilk for all the tea in China. With one exception: I did get a kick out of the way she announced that Scott Walker won his recall election, almost in tears!

    • BR549

      Karolyn, [comment has been edited] …….(to borrow a phrase).

      I, too, would like to know why it is you come here. Perhaps your higher self is intentionally dragging your lower self here to get you to wake the [comment has been edited] up, and you’re still projecting your denial on everyone around here because YOU STILL DON’T GET IT !!!!

      Romney is no prize for the American voter, but so far, he has done far less damage than Obama has done. They’re BOTH globalists, for Christ’s sake.

      Gary Johnson and Jill Stein each have ten times the conviction of both Obama and Romney combined, yet you will no doubt be watching the lame stream media on election night ……. still totally CLUELESS about what had actually taken place.

      Watch the third party debates on RT on 11/5; hopefully, you might have enough warm brain cells come together to see what the REAL ISSUES are and not be so enamored by the lame-stream REP/DEM dog and pony show.

      • Roger

        WOW! Your really something. Sad so very sad

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          BR you are contributing nothing of value to the debate here and you need to go back to a school thats teaching respect and dignity , something school obviously needs to be teaching in your Neighborhood !!!!!!

      • http://none Claire

        BR549–Who do you think you are–calling Karolyn a “slut” and then trying to pass it off as “to borrow a phrase.” Seems to me you are one insecure person if you have to stoop to name-calling. Perhaps this makes you feel “Big” and “Important?” And people say the Democrats are hateful? Look in the mirror and examine your soul.

        • BR549

          It’s becoming apparent that Ben’s commentary is striking a raw nerve. Far too many libtard apologists are leaking onto this thread, still looking for answers to why they continue to support Obama ….. or anyone really; virtually clueless about what is really going on wrt this election.

          Roger, Tony, and Claire ….. what an immature and sanctimonious bunch.

          For those of who totally missed the point here, which is all of you, I refer to the source of my “borrowed” material, comedically quoted, of course, but again, you three probably weren’t even born yet or were still in freakin’ diapers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80nW6AOhTs

          As for my posts, you really DON’T understand, do you?

      • http://none Claire

        BR549–Immature? Just because I remain objective and look at both parties? Just because I don’t agree with everything you post?

        • BR549

          No, because if all you are looking at is the “TWO” parties, you are more than likely clueless about the real issues facing us. That dog-and-pony-show excuse of a debate series is typical of the smoke screen that the globalists use to keep Americans in the dark and quibbling about useless baubles and other nonsense; meanwhile, people are dying across the globe because of our totally dysfunctional foreign policy.

          And that’s just one issue. There’s the interesting concatenation of seemingly patriotic presidential candidates who have been, along with a complicit Congress, systematically eroding our civil rights under national security; the majority of NAFTA under Bush, wire-tapping and depleted uranium use under Clinton, the Patriot Act and suspension of Posse Comitatus under Bush the Idiot, and Obama is just the next in line.

          Meanwhile, in the third party debates, those guys are discussing NAFTA, NDAA, Patriot Act, drones, the private banking families posing as our Federal Reserve, and the non-fairy tale version of our foreign policy. There are a number of people who have chosen to read up on these issues yet still try to change their parties from the inside. If you’re in that camp, I commend you, although I personally think it’s futile. If, on the other hand, you’re basing your “informed decision” on what the corporate owned main stream media has to offer for news, well, I think I’ve made my point.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Claire you hear what you want to hear and apparently the word immature struck a raw nervel. Why do you want to TAKE OFFENSE and claim the word immature if it doesn’t apply to your character?

      • Karolyn

        BR – I would not be surprised if I were older than you; however,I am young at heart and continue to grow and change; for to not do so is to remain as a rock.

    • Jeff

      Ben is a pretend columnist. I think you need to have more than a dozen readers to be a real one. Otherwise, you’re just writing your memoirs in Mom’s basement.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        jeff, but you are also one of the ones who is responding to Ben C. So if you are claiming that Ben C. is not a good writer what does it say about your brain that inputs bad information. Are “G I G O” the words you live by?

      • eddie47d

        Apparently he sees alot more than you do Nadzieja who replies like a robot.

    • muse1876

      Karolyn, The only lame person here is Obama. Obama has no moral compass. I am tired of giving my tax dollars so someone without any desire but to sit on their asses is living better than some seniors. I know some deserve help. But when the gov’t. give people free phones and they end up getting 3 or more that is just another vote for Obama. Obama is the biggest slave master. The sad part is that many of the slaves are to deep in their own fleecing of the system they don’t care about the rest who will have to pay for it. One other thing, when did making $250,000. dollars put you up their with millionaires! Obama is a POS.

      • Kate8

        The only way Obama wins is if he is able to cheat big enough. And the dems are hard at work doing it.

        The good thing is that lots more people are watching this time, so they really risk exposure. Of course, once he’s in, protests go nowhere…

        I read that Romney has explictly stated that no cheating is allowed in his campaign… He wants it to be squeaky clean. If this is so, I guess that says something… but then, it only allows the dems a greater advantage, since it’s their MO for winning elections.

        • muse1876

          Kate8, The people have seen how Obama runs this country. Obama has lied so many times that you can’t count. While our country was in the dumpster Michelle decides that various vacations that cost us millions of dollars is okay. The one, besides Benghazi Gate, is when he invited terrorists to the peoples house. That was a slap in the face of all Americans especially the Millitary. Obama knows nothing but cheating. If the MSM would have done their job, we would have been shown that he never voted for anything that took guts. Obama is not worthy to be our leader. America deserves so much better. On Nov. 6 we need to vote this POS out of office and get our country back and be proud of who we are.

          • Jeff

            I know you much preferred W’s record of “accomplishments.” Let’s never do anything intelligently. Let’s do everything “from the gut” like W and always be wrong! Romney has the same agenda as W. Same economic plan, same foreign policy advisors. If you liked Bush and Cheney, you’ll LOVE Romney and Ryan.

          • muse1876

            Under Bush or Romney, there will be no bowing, no apologizing for being a great country, no Benghazi. To think that Obama and his storm troops arrested a man for his freedom to speak and parade him in front of the Muslims who attacked Benghazi over this video should show you how incompetent this AH is. Why would Obama sit an watch as these men died and then have the guts to say it was a video and even go before the UN and keep up this lie! That is who you are supporting. A gutless and balless POS.

      • eddie47d

        Obama has a moral compass like all Presidents. He happens to be more left in your eyes and Reagan was probably more to the right in your eye. Each have made poor judgements on a few issues but they are still the Presidents.G Bush is still a past President although I think he made some horrible decisions. On your other subject I agree there are way too many give away programs and abuses in monitoring those handouts.

        • muse1876

          I will never forgive Obama for not answering questions on Benmghazi. Obama would be glad to blame it on Bush if he could. Obama reminds of a kid who keeps saying, “I didn’t do that, he did.” Obama’s inability to take some of the blame is disgusting. To watch as 4 Americans were killed and do nothing is sinful. Obama had no problem taking the credit for the killing of bin-laden, when all he had to do is say yes. Who wouldn’t have done that? How can he kill “supposed” terrorists with drones? Whyd didn’t he give the word to blow up the lost drone? Obama is an “it” that has no empathy and is he is his greatest hero. The biggest wrong done on this country is Welfare. Some do need it, but the majority are raping the American taxpayer.

          I now Bush wasn’t perfect. Obama has never taken the blame for anything. God forbid he is re-elected on Tuesday, who will be blame for not getting us out of the malise?

      • Palin16

        Kate8, exactly right, the same way Lyndon B Johnson was first elected senator. He was behind on election night, but lo and behold, the very next day a trunk full of ballots appeared, almost all voting for him.

      • Kate8

        Here is a recent quote from Valerie Jarrett:

        Conservative blogs are literally on fire over alleged comments made by Valerie Jarrett, a senior adviser to President Obama and one of his closest friends, who was recently addressing other Obama senior staffers…

        “After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. 
Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve.”

        I also remember reading a threat from the Left saying, “We know who you are and we know how you vote”.

        Is this a thinly veiled threat, that anyone who didn’t support Obama will be on the extermination list that Bill Ayers spoke about? Valerie Jarrett is a hard-core communist from a family of communists. Isn’t eliminating the opposition one of the first thing communists do when they get into power? (Hint: yes.)

        Winning this election and clearing these vermin out of our WH is a matter of life and death. Literally.

        • Jeff

          Sounds like you guys are trying to turn her into Bob Haldeman. Ever heard of projection?

      • Kate8

        Jarrett’s alarming rant continued…

        “There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go.”

        Linda, Valerie Jarrett’s comments are a chilling forecast of things to come for conservatives and people of faith if Obama is given another four years in the White House!

      • Kate8

        BTW, this was quoted from an email someone sent me. I forgot to delete her name. Just in case anyone wondered about it.

      • http://none Claire

        Under Romney and his cohort Ryan there will be no more middle class. They are two of the most power-hungry shysters I have ever seen. During my lifetime I have voted Republican and Democrat. Being “tied” to a party has been the downfall of America. If people think Obama has “sheeple” what about the sheeple Romney has? Same thing. The old double standard doesn’t work for me.

      • Kate8

        Claire, my dear, Obama has already eliminated the middle class, for all intents and purposes. What is left of it is fading fast… This was his purpose. That, and the trashing of our military.

        You always claim not to be partisan, yet you only attack conservatives. Your demeanor has always outed you as a democrat, no matter how much you protest. If it quacks like a duck…you know the drill.

        The really big joke for everyone is that BOTH sides are controlled by the BUSH cabal. Yes, is said BUSH (the elder). They ALL answer to him and his cohorts. So all of the ranting about the Bushes is laughable. Haven’t you ever wondered why the Clintons are best buds with them?

        I have never seen you criticize Obama, and you defend Michelle. To most of us, they are treacherous snakes.

        And yes, Romney is another puppet. He answers to the same people Obama does, and he’s not going to make things better. Not really. These jokers are interested in only one thing: themselves. Their wealth, their status.

        It’s all a nasty joke on us. And still, we keep voting for them.

        Apparently, we are as dumb as they think we are.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Kate8, Valerie Jarrett is making threats to do people harm. It cannot be taken that she didn’t mean what she said.

    • Kate8

      Karolyn – It looked to me like a response in kind to the one you posted.

      Hypocrit, thy name is Karolyn.

    • Karolyn

      Not really, Kate. i was simply stating my opinion of Ben’s material and did not attack anyone or call anyone names. if you can’t see the difference, oh well.

    • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

      Karolyn,
      ALL your comments are sooooo libtardic. It just amazing.

      But it has the explanation. The scientific study shows that Libtards are lamebrained because their brain is in the high deficiency of the neural cells in the brain’s Grey matter. The deficiency explains the very poor brain development.

      A SCIENTIFIC 2010 survey of 1,168 adults, conducted by NONE OTHER than the Pew Research Center, a LEFT-of-center organization, showed that Republicans/Conservatives OUTPERFORMED Democrats/liberals on 10 of 12 questions, with ONE TIE and Democrats/Liberals outperforming Republicans on JUST 1 of the 12.

      But the 2012 survey Republicans/Conservatives OUTPERFORMED Democrats/Liberals ON EVERY SINGLE ONE of 19 questions.

      These are the REAL FACTS.

      The MAGIC book says:
      “The mouth of FOOLS pours forth FOOLISHNESS.” (Proverbs 15:2)

      Romney / Ryan – 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Kate8

        Alondra – And let’s not forget that great quote from Ecclesiastes (can’t recall the exact chapter and verse. I think it is in Ecc. 10.

        “The wise man’s heart leans to the Right; the fool to the Left…”

      • http://none Claire

        To me, a true Christian does not spout nastiness in one breath then turn around and quote from the Bible.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Hi Kate, nice to talk to you again.

        You are referring to Ecclesiastes 10:2
        “A wise man’s heart is at his right hand; but a FOOL’S HEART AT HIS LEFT.”

        It just amazing how LIBTARDS like to preach about “CIVILITY”

        But in the REALITY what they are saying:

        “Civility/respect/courtesy for me, but NOT FOR THEE” – Isn’t this called HYPOCRISY?

      • Kate8

        Claire – As far as I’m concerned, those who seek to destroy our nation and our liberty are about as nasty as it gets, and I don’t blame anyone for being angry. I’ve seen you be pretty acid from time to time.

        Someone above called you sanctimonious, and I’m inclined to agree. Like I’ve said, I’ve only ever seen you criticize conservatives and defend Lefties.

        Being Christian does not mean people are not human, and subject to being fed up with idiots who seek to run all of our lives. You’ve had your moments, dear, and since you also claim to be Christian, might I remind you that “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone”. That would include chastising others when one is not, him/herself without fault.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        @ Claire
        Dear Claire,
        As a matter of fact I don’t care one single bit what “a true Christian” is TO YOU.
        Sorry, but I am NOT Politically Correct.

        As Apostle Paul said: “But with me it is a VERY SMALL THING that I should BE JUDGED BY YOU OR BY A HUMAN court. In fact, I do not even judge myself…but He WHO JUDGES ME IS the LORD.” (1 Corinthians)

        And now, please care to point at my “nastiness”.

        You did not like the FACT that you and Karolyn belong to the lamebrained class. Sorry, but it’s the scientific study confirmed that, not me.

        If you do NOT read the Bible, you do NOT KNOW what IT says.
        It says: “The heart of fools PROCLAIMS FOOLISHNESS.” (Proverbs 12)

        And you are the perfect example of it.

        My WONDERFUL & MAGIC book also teaches me:
        “Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for HE DESPISES THE WISDOM” (Proverbs 23)

        And also it teaches me:
        “Answer a fool ACCORDING to HIS folly, lest he be wise IN HIS OWN EYES.” (Proverbs 26)

        As you can see I am very good alumni.
        I always was an A-B student with the IQ 128 (Very Superior)

        What is your IQ?
        BORDERLINE DEFICIENCY 70–79 (Mild disability)
        MORON 50-69 (Moderate Mental disability)
        IMBECILE 20-49 (Severe Mental disability)
        IDIOT Below 20 (Profound Mental disability)

        Dear, STOP your Mumbo Jumbo – which means do not spread your incoherent NONSENSE/MEANINGLESS rants.

        Thank you

      • http://none Claire

        Kate8–To begin with, what you or anyone else thinks of me means absolutely nothing. I have my opinion, you have yours. Did I hit a nerve? Think back, if you can, I have posted against Obama numerous times. I do not have to explain myself and my postings to you or anyone else, but I will reply if someone verbally assaults me. Think what you will, it makes no difference to me.

      • http://none Claire

        Alondra–Apparently you are very pleased with yourself. I am pleased with myself, too. If I belong to the so-called “lamebrained class” then you are not far behind me. Sorry, you do not impress me with your “mumbo jumbo and meaningless rants” whenever someone does not agree with you. I am happy you have a high “IQ.” Too bad you do not have the common sense to go along with it. Don’t bother to categorize me, take a good long look at yourself. None of us are perfect by any means, and that includes you.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Claire, how many postings did it take to out yourself that you are not a Libertarian or a Conservative or a Republican? You are all polite and smiley till someone crosses you and then the venom comes out.

      • Karolyn

        Alondra – Nya, nya, nya-nya-nya! Guess what? My IQ is higher than yours! :-) There goes your theory!

      • eddie47d

        Apparently Nadzieja believes in those make up stories like Alondra. Neither of you can be trusted to be honest. Nothing more than mimics and trolls.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – Talk about childishness.

        I don’t know about your IQ. I’ve known lots of near-geniuses who were complete ne’er-do-wells.

        IQ isn’t worth very much if you lack common sense, my dear.

        • Jeff

          K8:

          You’re living proof a person can be a paranoid schizophrenic and yet be of seemingly near-normal intelligence.

      • Karolyn

        Just my facetious response to Alondra’ boasting. :-)

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Karolyn,
        “As a dog returns to his own vomit, so a FOOL (LIBTARD KAROLYN) REPEATS HIS FOLLY.” (Proverbs 26)

        You just PROVED that EVERY single your comment just PROVES your childish stupidity “A dupe lays open his folly.” (Proverbs 13)

        It’s time to grow up, liberal lady.

    • JeffH

      Karolyn, Kate8 is spot on…you are a hypocrit!

      Almost every Saturday all you can do is post a comment of your opinion of Ben Crystal(‘s humor). You don’t like it, he obviously bothers you with these videos and you just can’t restrain yourself from being negative. Don’ blame anyone but yourself…it’s always your choice to be a hypocrit or not.

    • Les

      “well being and solidarity”? Where? You must have missed the chance to get your Øbama phone. you are just too damned funny and phoney.

    • Christin

      Karolyn,

      I learned along time ago that …People just don’t like hearing the truth.
      Ben was Spot on.

      Obama told his supporter to vote for him as a “vengence” vote against the other side… Really…that is the lowest stoop yet.

      Romney told his supporters to vote for “Love of America”… do you see the difference in the TONE and CIIVILITY?

      Your tone is just like obamas and I don’t want to live in a hateful country that your side is ‘fundamentally transforming’ us into.

      The progressives are full of angry, unhappy women… wonder why that is, huh?

    • smknnjoe

      Keep drinking the Kool-ade and being a loyal follower of the Puffington-Ho

      • Jeff

        Clearly, you have to be smoking something to take Ben seriously.

      • Kate8

        Smokin’ [expletive deleted] is what you liberals like to do best. That way you can see the world any way your addled brain wants to see it. Conservatives are too busy working to smoke funny stuff.

        Try sobering up and seeing things as they are. It might save your life.

    • Karolyn

      Christin – I am not angry or unhappy at all. Well, of course, I get unhappy sometimes. At any rate, you will never find evidence of me spouting the venom that comes out of the mouths of some of the conservative women here. Take the blinders off! People like me are more likely to listen to all sides than to blindly follow, as in diehard repubs or dems or conservatives. According to the test i completed a couple of weeks ago online, i am a left-leaning libertarian.
      http://www.politicalcompass.org/index

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Karolyn why should the taxpayers have to pay for Birth control ?

    • JTB

      Excellent Job Ben. Keep up the good work!

    • http://yahoo Frank Collins

      pmsnbc has all kind of good stuff for you to inhale and remember to vote tomorrow

  • Marilyn

    You can always switch channels, or move the mouse.

    • Walter & Renee Agard

      Right now, he is like a robot, some one program him for only negative, they need to toggle that switch so that some positive can come in to his system.They both work together.

      • SarahR

        Walter & Renee there are no positives for Obama.

      • eddie47d

        Auto sales were up in October (15%) That is a good sign that people are buying and home sales are moving upward. There were 8 for sale signs in our neighborhood 3 months ago and only one still on the market. You only see the negative because that is what you want.

        • muse1876

          When the gov’t. shells out $23 million in new limos. That would raise any bottom line. It all depends where you live if home prices are rising. I know that Texas looks good to me.

          Unemployment went up. What is so good about that? Isn’t it about 47 million people on food stamps? The rate of Disability SS is rising faster than anyother time in our history. People are desparate for a job, some will cheat to get money. What about all the Americans that have given up? These are mostly middle-class people so I don’t believe Obama has helped them. The only reason he needs a stable middle-class is so he has a bigger tax base.

      • http://none Claire

        What are the TRUE positives for Romney?

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Claire, let’s compare Romney’s record with the Ignotant Lazy Liar-in-Chief.

        Mitt ROMNEY:
        1. He is SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN who created thousands jobs and helped lead the company OUT OF FINANCIAL CRISIS

        2. Romney saved American’s Olympic games and thou the American image & honor
        Before Romney took the position of CEO of the Organizing Committee for the Olympic & Paralympic Winter Games of 2002, the event was running $379 million short of its revenue benchmarks. Additionally, the image of the Games had been damaged by allegations of bribery against top officials. Despite the initial fiscal shortfall, the Games ended up with a surplus of $100 million thanks to Romney’s good organization. He put the Salt Lake Olympics’ $379 M in the RED into the $100 M in the black.

        3. When he was elected Governor of MA, he entered office with $3 billion deficit. The state ran surpluses of around $600–700 million for the last two full fiscal years Romney was in office, but his successor Patrick Deval (obama’s friend) now runs deficits again (1.8 Billion)

        4. Romney gave MILLIONS to the Charities.

        And BTW, HE DECLINED HIS governor’s SALARY during his term

        Oh, I forgot, by LIBTARDS’ standards, he is a vicious “greedy” white capitalist.

        Here you have your Bustard’s record:
        1. Real Unemployment: 15% (23 Million Unemployed, Underemployed or Stop Looking for Work)

        2. Gasoline: $3.80-$4.20 per gallon

        3. The national debt: <$16 trillion (Four Straight years his Budgets with Deficit over $1 Trillion)

        4. 47 Millions on Food Stamps

        5. Annual family (4) Income Down by $4.300

        6. Record U.S. Poverty Rate. The official poverty rate is 15.1%, meaning that 46.2 million people live BELOW the POVERTY LINE (An increase of 2.6 million since 2010)

        7. The Charlatan said: The coast of Health Care will go down $2,500 – It already went UP $2,500

        8. When obama pushed for $862 billion economic STIMULUS PACKAGE, he and his administration repeatedly insisted the investments would go to "SHOVEL-READY" projects — projects that would put people to work RIGHT AWAY.
        Later obama acknowledged that, despite his promises, "there's no such thing as shovel-ready projects"
        At the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness in Durham, NC at Cree Inc. he cynically announced "Shovel-ready was not as … uh … shovel-ready as we expected." – obama said (June, 2011)

        NO JOBS, NO MONEY.

        9. "We're gonna punish our enemies and reward our friends WHO STAND WITH US on issues that are IMPORTANT TO US."– barack hussain O’Homobama

        And he rewarded his friends:
        According to the Department of Energy’s own numbers: In the 1705 government-backed-loan program $16.4 billion (80%) of the $20.5 billion in loans granted went to companies either run by or primarily owned by Obama financial backers—individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party.

        Romney/Ryan – 2012 !!!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You string words together but you don’t say anything.

  • eddie47d

    Thanks for the Bottom Eight once again and this was the worst of the worst. We’re use the the crass insults but to flat out lie really really exposes the hinged right. Leave it to the Republirats to seek fame and show off their disgusting behavior over the devastation in the Northeast. Contrary to what was said the Democrats did not joke about this and turn it into a laughing matter. There are a few of you that need to find the nearest space ship and be sent to the farthest frontier. “little kids and fornication” shows the sad state of affairs within the Republican ranks and how low they will go!

    • http://yahoo bobdavidson

      Hey 47, How about a comeback once in a while instead of nonsense.

    • muse1876

      Obama is worse in the face of disaster. Obama didn’t go to MO until 10 days after the devistating tornado. Did he ever go to TN when they had those floods? It took him days and days to go check out the oil spill, his reason for not going he didn’t want his appearance to over shadow the spill! That is the height of arrogance. Of course we have to remember that there was no election. Why haven’t we heard out of his mouth about Benghazi? Obama stated that he had always called it a “terrorist” act. Then why did his minions go on TV and say it was a video? Obama lies, but not very well. Where has Clinton been? Is Obama afraid she might tell the truth? When Biden said that he and the President didn’t know what was happening did you honestly believe that when he said that? I don’t know why people would vote for a liar and someone who can’t take blame for anything he has done. Obama will only take the praise away from the real heroes.

      • eddie47d

        Nice spin Muse and it didn’t change a thing about what I said about the slick author.

        • muse1876

          Just like all liberals. Attack when shown the truth. So tell me your spin on why he didn’t go earlier? Was it because he wanted to play golf? Keep believing in all the BS he is feeding you.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

    Just for once, i wish we could attack the source, rather than the hand-puppet(s). But sadly, and at ad-nouseum, the denigrating of the hand-puppets continues. Oh well, let the misdirected, out-of-focus, missed the target by a mile, us-verses-them-blood-bath begin!!!

    • Paul Wells

      Jayson,

      To my knowledge, I believe it was O’ dude that told us we didn’t build it, that rich people are the problem, that poor oppressed people (some of which will not lift a finger to help themselves) need the income redistribution from those who are smarter than the rest of us, etc. etc. If you will be honest, you will realize that all this class warfare crap comes from Obama and his rabid loons. In other words…the conservatives didn’t start this nonsense. Also you should know…if O got all the tax monies he wanted from rich, it would amount to $7 billion. That’s it! 7B. Nowhere close to 16T. Insanity, attack the job producers. Wow. Just wow!

      • eddie47d

        The Conservatives fiddled while Washington burned dear Paul. They did absolutely noting to stop the banksters from allowing our economy to default. Matter of fact they along with the Republicans and Democrats gave Wall Street high fives while the ship of America was sinking. As long as money was pouring into Conservatives bank accounts they didn’t care where that money was coming from or how it was achieved. Since most Bank CEOs are Conservative I believe that blame should to laid fully at their feet. They encouraged the slick and fancy financing. We didn’t hear those Conservatives say “hold on wait a minute we can’t allow that to happen”. Heck there was money to be made so why stop the gravy train? It wasn’t Liberals who wanted floating interest rates on mortgages and they didn’t ask to get screwed with manipulative credit card rates. That was brought to us by Conservative Bankers who milked us every which way but loose. Banksters are the rich dear Paul and they took the USA for a ride which created the “class warfare crap”. “In other words” the Conservatives did start this nonsense and gleefully went along with the program.

        • muse1876

          Why didn’t Reid put to vote over 30 bills that was sent to him? What about putting up Bills for 3 or 4 days so the public could view them? Why did “we have to pass this bill to see whats in it”? If you got to finance a house through Fanny or Freddy, they boast that you can put as little as 3% down and you can get financing for the 3%. This is the same crap that got us into this mess. Bush tried to have Fanny and Freddy checked because he was being told that they were in bad shape, Barney Frank said no they are fine. So much for that. I guess that since most of the Senate are Dem. the Dems. are at fault for all this. That is a stupid remark. The banks have repaid their monies back. Still wating for GM, the stock has to be at least $50. for the tax payer to break even. Just think of all the money that was lost on green energy! The only reason we are producing more oil is because it is being drilled on PRIVATE lands. Why did Obama send millions so Brazille so they could drill for oil and proudly told them that he want the US to be their #1 buyer.

          We didn’t here Dems. saying anything about Fast and Furious, Benghanzi, the New Black Panthers. Anyone with 1/2 a brain could see that the NBP were in the wrong. Will they be their this year? If it was a white supremacist, would they have be let go?

          The class warfare comes from Obama. I don’t see him or any of his other liberal wealthy giveing money to a homeless man. If all the Liberals followed their own words, there wouldn’t be any poor people. They don’t want to give their money they want to take yours. What happens when there is no more money? GREECE

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            MUSE1876 Why didn’t Reid put to vote over 30 bills that was sent to him?

            This plus all of what you said is because Reid and all the democrats are convinced that they need to consolidate all forms of FREE market Independence to control the rate of consumption by controlling all forms of resources that the free market now enables free people to supply their own needs Independently from Government all in the name of environmentally saving Earth from mans destruction of earth due to the Free markets profit driven actions . Those 30 bills were a further extension of these Economic enabling features of FREE market capitalism and this is what they hate because they feel so strongly that capitalism is Killing earth .

          • muse1876

            Why don’t people see this? Why do they bury their heads in the sand? I am voting for what is best for the most people. I just feel that Welfare isn’t the best for anyone. The church and neighbors should be helping. Welfare wasn’t supposed to be there for you forever. When Obama put out that Julia ad that frosted my butt.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Obama has everything he needed to effect growth in the free markets by enabling the Investment world of private finance to fund and expand the Supply of everything Food an Fuel durable goods all to expand profits and increased Tax revenues and he did not do this but instead directed a Shariah Law Financial system called ZERO interest M1 Money supply that pays NO Private sector BOND Holder to Hold a private Financial Position in the M1 funding categories and so he is Not only Bleeding dry those Private Financiers that feed a Private sector financial system that then turns around and funds a Equity market system Privately and FREE of Government control but in fact Obama has BECOME all of these Things with the Federal Reserve acting as the Financial Custodian for the Shariah Financial system thats slowly collapsing the FREE market with the ZERO interest Policy that Shariah law requires . This is because of OPEC telling saying they will stop using the dollar if the ZERO interest policy is not the monetary Policy of the Federal Reserve , so our FREE Market system are dieing a slow death due to this !!!!!d

          • muse1876

            I have never had a problem with a bank loan. That is what attorneys are for. I don’t sign anything I don’t understand. You made the connection between Shariah and what Obama has done. Maybe you can help me understand when did $250,000. become a million? So many think that Obama won’t raise taxes on the Middle-Class, I know they are calling the HealthCare cost a “fee”. There are more Middle-Class people than the wealthy. Only a moron would think that they are safe.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            they use the 250 K as a annual income flow for Millionaires . Shariah Financial took over in 2008 and 9 and is what crashed everything as these oil rich M1 Bond Buyers Pulled their cash accounts out from under the Fiancial sector , and then gave the federal Reserve and Government of the dollar world Trade currency an Ultimatum implement Zero Interest Policy or we Stop using the dollar in OPEC oil pricing , and of course this is now Bleeding the private capital markets dry of their primary resources because NO private Fiance is Forming under the Use of the Federal reserve Notes being Issued so it is calculated as debt against the NOTE not Taxable Capital formation in the supply-side sector .
            The Supreme Court said they would allow Obamacare because it is a tax , but the Supreme Court is Not suppose to make tax policy congress is ….and Obama said it is a FEE so who is the BSer ???

          • muse1876

            You know the monetary side of things. Thanks for the lessons. I just found out that if you are on a waiting list for a transplant, that the new policy under ObamaCare is that your age will come into play. I believe it starts in June or July. What a sad commentary on our medical system.

      • Roger

        Job producers REALLY???

      • eddie47d

        Good catch Roger!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

        Paul, you haven’t the slightest idea as to who dictates our domestic and foreign policies. It is not, Obama. All that crap you mentioned, does not come from Obama, rather; it comes “through” Obama, and the same crap will come “through” whoever the next hand-puppet-president will be. Obama is only a “conduit”, nothing more! It is pointless then, to waste your time vomiting your misplaced vitriol at Obama, just as equally pointless for the left, to blame Bush! You, and many others on this board, are just victims of the left/right-paradigm swindle. But be my guest, continue wasting your time and energy…it is yours to waste.

      • Warrior

        What’s really amazing is that 53% of Americans aren’t paying enough taxes or as the feckless leader proclaims “their fair share”. You 53% better knuckle under and pay more. If the percentage gets down to 52%, 50%, 48%, 25% it will always be the same story.

        Funny thing is, by cutting through the “red tape” to get things accomplished, isn’t one by his own admission, thereby proving the contradictions of their own sales pitch? Imagine cutting through the “red tape” of oblamacare. Sorry folks, the Tea Party is “absolutely fricken correct” about the our gubmint. We can no longer afford to have “progressives” of any form in a “leadership role”, anywhere in this country.

        By the way, is the “race” on or off mr. goofberg?

      • Texas Ride

        Jayson when a lefty JUST HAS TO MENTION BUSH, nothing else said is credible!
        Get over it! It has been four years and omaumau own’s the state of the country!

        Omaumau was supposed to save the economy, stop the class warfare, bring more TRANSPARANCY to the government, bring an end to the wars, It was nothing but kumbaya, he even want to change the National Antheme to a less violent song..He did the exact opposite!

        You see what he has don while refusing to salute our flag! More Americans than ever are being killed, the violence in the middle east is worse than ever, our economy is in the tank, we have obamacare that will bankrupt the country, our freedom and private property rights have become nearly non-existent, the government has grown by leaps and bounds, personal income for most Americans have decreased an average of $4,000, and I am just getting started!

      • speedle

        Tell us Roger, what do you think a “job producer” is. Tell us where that all begins.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        When Obama talks of redistribution of the existing supply while the market is telling us that inflation in key areas like food and energy are the result of a Supply in stagnate growth it makes no sense that redistributing a shrinking supply will solve the problem of a dollars ability to buy more , this shows Obamas lack of economic comprehension .

      • Karolyn

        muse – i guess you missed my post and link about the fact that welfare is NOT forever, and there have been deep cuts in many states.

        • muse1876

          Karolyn, Welfare is just like Obama’s Julia. On the Internet the other day there was a lady who said she had 6 children with 5 different men and that someone needed to pay for her kids. My point is she knows where children come from, keep your legs close. If you want the gov’t. to take care of you for life, that is very sad that you have such low self-esteem. I want to be the boss of my life not some politician. How many housing projects have you seen that have turned into high crime areas? If you don’t have any pride of ownership, you don’t care what or where you live. Welfare takes the American dream and kills it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            karolyn are you going to answer me on the question of Do you think taxpayers should pay for everyones Birth Control ?

          • Jeff

            We clearly should have paid for your mother’s.

            The issue is not about taxpayers paying; it’s about healthcare plans including contraceptive coverage. And contraceptive coverage is not just about contraception. That was the point Sandra Fluke was trying to make before being drowned out by your moronic hero and his golden microphone. Many women who aren’t sexually active take contraception because it lowers the risk of cervical cancer.

            And this is your business? I don’t see you objecting to paying taxes for pre-emptive wars. But if anybody other than you is being helped by your tax dollars, it’s the end of the world.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            What Part of mandated healthcare don’t you see as forcing taxpayers to pay for birth control JEFF ? And JEFF quit spinning the subject into a Rejection of womens health its all about how tax money should be used and when I see things Like Planned parenthood being rejected by their Number 1 grant maker susan komen this kinda opened up the door on what that tax money really is being used for , and this looks to be a failure of education, as well as a economic system that enables self reliance so people can take care of their own healthcare needs , why is that and how does taking tax money from some and giving out in certain directions instead of creating a economy that all people can become Financially able why is this not the better way to enable society to take care of themselves and their needs ?? this story tels the Connection of grant money used for abortion and birth control all about Population Control and this is going on all over the world , have you seen the news on India they pay 15 K to women to abort their girl babies , wow great way to educate and build the honor and dignity of society to do the right kinds of things . http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/03/us-usa-healthcare-komen-idUSTRE8111WA20120203

          • Jeff

            No, I haven’t heard of that. Do you have a credible cite? I have heard of such killings taking place in India and China, but that’s just the free market talking, isn’t it. We don’t want to regulate the market and if the market says it’s too expensive to raise girls, then what’s a rational actor to do? Maybe you’re a closet liberal after all.

            http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/14/world/asia/india-female-infanticide/index.html

          • muse1876

            Here is a link on the pro and coon of infantice. I find this disgusting. I find that Obama and the liberals believe that late term aboration is okay. Some babies are born alive and left to die. There was one story where a woman had an aboration of twins and one lived and a nurse took her home as her own. These stories are so disguesting to think that as humans we do this to our babies.

            http://www.debate.org/debates/Infanticide-should-be-legal-in-the-United-States./1/

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Oh Lord its Not the FREE market killing these babies dude its tax Payer money taken by Government then paid through the Abortion centers, and its 1200 to 1300 bucks http://abcnews.go.com/Health/women-pregnant-girls-pressured-abortions-india/story?id=15103950

          • Jeff

            You read the story backwards. The doctor did not offer the expectant mother money; he charged her the equivalent of $1300 to abort the fetus because it was a girl. This is absolutely the work of a relatively unregulated free market. If girls are seen as too expensive to raise and marry off, what else would you call it? It’s not the government making the decision. What is needed in this case is enforcement of the restriction against giving out the gender of the fetus (Clearly, it is known what often happens to females.) and powerful Governmental Regulation of the clinics.

            Here’s the relevant portion of the story:

            Last July, in a effort to expose doctors breaking the laws, two activists with a hidden camera, posing as a husband and his five-months-pregnant wife, walked into an ultrasound clinic to hear their test results. The doctor didn’t mince words, immediately breaking the law to tell the couple the gender of the fetus.

            “It is not a good report as it is a girl child,” he said.

            He recommended the fetus be aborted and offered the woman an illegal injection to induce a miscarriage for 60,000 to 70,000 rupees — between $1,100 and $1,300.

            After activists submitted the sting video to authorities, the clinic was shut down, the equipment was sealed and two doctors there face possible charges. But stings like that one rarely lead to convictions.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF you are right , BUT you say the Government method of doing this Killing is a Better more Justice mandated service under the Obamacare act ?

          • Jeff

            Nobody likes the idea of abortion. People who are pro-choice are not pro-abortion. I would counsel a girl to have the baby if at all possible. But it’s not my decision. Roe v. Wade was decided on the basis of privacy and because girls were having illegal, back-alley abortions by butchers. I still like the way Bill Clinton phrased it – safe, legal, and rare. My biggest problem with the “pro-life” folks is their concern about the fetus knows no bounds until it becomes a baby. Then, they don’t want to know from economic hardships, illness, etc. Even providing medical care for poor kids is controversial on the right.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF the LIBERALS are where I see the REAL truth in how they see treatment being used and its not in Line with what you say , DEADLY DOCTORS

            O ADVISERS WANT TO RATION CARE http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_PU6S0iok2FbS368B7d7mAM;jsessionid=905CFC332DC2EED4FD92D0357A655637

          • Jeff

            You can’t tell me that’s not already going on. If someone’s in his 80s and his entire body is shutting down, you can’t tell me the doctor will advise the same level of care he would for someone 45 or 50 years old. I know I faced that with my father, and Obama had nothing to do with it. I was sick in the hospital about 5 years ago and the doctors made heroic efforts to save me. I was in my early 50s and in otherwise excellent shape but I got pneumonia complicated by Type 1 diabetes. I doubt they would have made the same efforts for someone 80+ or without my wife there advocating for me.

            We “ration” care now based on class. No one likes the idea of rationing, but it may become necessary to take a second look at the amount we spend on “care” given in the last weeks or months of life. Obviously, if there’s a chance of recovery, you go for it. But spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a patient who will clearly not recover may have to be rethought. We spend an enormous % of our medical budget in the last weeks of life. Many times hospice is the better alternative. If patients and their families are advised of these options, many will choose the less costly and more humane route, thereby obviating the need for actual “rationing.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF yeah BUT with their overall view of Disabled People what about that ??? what about when Power over this segment in our society is concentrated in the hands of unelected Bureaucrats who are mingling with technocrats all who think Earth has to many people on it , will this Ideology BLEED into other areas of treatment of PEOPLE besides the OLD Useless Eaters what about those THEY see as Useless eaters too in the guise of their PEAK EARTH Ideology ???? And once this POWER is consolidated after it drives ALL private insurance out then do we see Absolute Power corrupt the Population and divide treatment because of Political Views ?????

          • Jeff

            That’s nonsense. Republicans have always opposed Medicare. Saint Ronald himself called it the end of freedom or some such thing. Republicans have always been fine with the concept of “work til you drop” or retire and then die. Ryan’s budget calls for voucherizing Medicare so it will actually be worthless. Let’s see you buy health insurance when you’re 80 years old.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF you talk as if the GOV has endless resources and that the private sector is Limited so why go with the private sector is that what you are saying ???

          • Jeff

            What good do the private sector’s resources do someone who is too old to work and isn’t wealthy enough to afford healthcare? Should we be the only advanced country in the world that does not pay for health care for our citizens – particularly the old ones? You guys talk about rationing but you want to ration based on class. I’m just glad the Romneys of the world haven’t yet discovered a way to make people pay for air!

            When the US becomes a 2nd rate power, it won’t be because of lack of military might. We’ll still be the biggest, baddest kid on the block. But we’ll also be the fattest, the stupidest, and the most arrogant if we keep debating whether people have a basic right to education and healthcare in the 21st century.

            Funny how you guys never worry about limited resources when it comes to military expenditures. Suddenly, the green eyeshades come off and we have all we could ever need. We need lots more bombers and aircraft carriers to fight Al Quaeda. They have secret weapons – box cutters. We’re no longer fighting the Soviet Union. Must we continue to outspend the rest of the world in weaponry so we’re impoverished at home? Can’t we let our allies pick up some of the cost of defending themselves? Do we really need troops in Germany?

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Obamas carbon Tax Plan will make you pay a tax on the carbon you Emmit into the air so In essence you are paying for your AIR . I swear you are a Trained Spinner for the Left , and I mean Trained !!!!!

          • muse1876

            Jeff, How do the illegals get health care? They show up in the emergency room. That won’t change. If we make every illegal legal, the health care costs would go way up. My insurance has gone up $70. a month, my co-pays have also risen. Obama has only made things worse for me. It “pays” more to be an illegal or on welfare.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Jeff furthermore a Romney economic policy will make wealthy people out of all of us so we will be able to afford our USA standard of Quality of LIFE and blast through the binds the Liberals want us to be dependent on them for , they are the ones who want population controls they are the technocrats that support Obama fool !!!!!

          • BR549

            Tony, whoa there, Romney’s economic policy is going nowhere, just like Obama’s. If Stein, Anderson, or Johnson got in and proposed something halfway intelligent, which would be 100x more than these other two, those, too, would go nowhere …….. because the Congress is owned and run by Wall Street, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and success for the American people is not in their plan. Their plan is total world domination disguised under the UN as One World Government. The American people have been paddling this overburdened canoe around in circles, looking for dry land, while Rockefeller and his henchmen have been secretly drilling holes in the stern and smashing the compass while everyone has been sleeping. And people wonder why we can never find dry land and the boat has water up to the gunwhales.

            Maybe people are still each doing their own Hope and Change thing with Romney and Obama because they can’t get a handle on the much larger set of forces at play here. They don’t want to believe that people can really be THAT evil. We are no longer in a democracy. We no longer have any control over the traitorous scum in the legislature because, out of ignorance or outright deceit, they are letting the banks take more and more control of our country, and now, those bankers have decided to pull the plug on the US economy.

            We served their purpose for a time. While pretending to be the world’s police force, our twisted foreign policy was designed more to wipe out pockets of globalist resistance than to find any real “bad guys”. Any duly elected head of state, who had higher ideals for his people and who might have had a notion to nationalize his people’s natural resources so we couldn’t rape them any longer, was branded a terrorist to our national security and subsequently murdered, shot, drugged, died in a plane crash, or whatever, and now we still have people thinking that Romney or Obama actually has an functional economic policy? Hardly.

            Listen, the only policy he has will have the same long term result as Obama’s. It may be sold as a 2013 Cadillac but, in the end, everyone will be driving bicycles, including the dupes who thought they were going to be included back among Bushes Billionaires. They have no place reaching for those rungs on the ladder of the elites.

            I don’t feel pessimistic about this. I have a tremendous amount of faith in people, but as long as they stay in the dark, they are their own worst enemy.

          • muse1876

            We do have an Obama that bankrupted this country. Do you rememer that he said the debt under Bush was unpatriotic? Obama put us more into debt. Obama was going to cut the debt, we know he didn’t do that. He promised to be the uniter, we know he didn’t do that. I don’t care what you believe about rationing of health care, in the end if you have the money you will get what you need. Don’t be delusional that all the rich are going to be treated the same way you are. Remeber the saying money talks. Only the liberals can tax a carbon foot print then allow you to sell portions of your foot print to another business that needs more foot print. How stupid is that. The private sector are the ones that you keep bashing, they are the ones who pay most of the taxes. Cut the loop holes. Lets bring all our troops home even the ones in the Sudan, Afghanistan, Germany, Israel, Korea etc. It doesn’t bother you that China is building its military. You are the type that doesn’t want to pay for protection until the enemy is knocking on your door. If you are shown to be strong, they won’t screw with you. Obama has shown that he has no spine at all.

          • Jeff

            You can keep talking about Obama and the debt but the primary drivers of the debt are the Bush Depression, the Bush tax cuts, and the Bush Pre-Emptive Wars. Obama’s policies have added the tiniest amount to the debt.

            http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/obama-romney-deficit-debt-chart.php

            Now, Romney wants to be Bush Redux on steroids. I wonder which way the deficit will go?

          • muse1876

            When will Obama take any blame. Do you blame him for all the green money that we lost? I bet not. Do you place any blame on Obama? I hate anyone who is the “leader” not to take any of the blame, but will take the praise that only the Seals deserve. What is Obama going to do? His record is full of crap. Look at his voting when he was in the Congress, he never took a hard vote. Obama wimped out. Keep you head in the sand if you must. One thing I will say Romney is man enough not to blame anyone. Will not look back and say “Obama did that” do you know why, because Obama has done nothing.

          • Jeff

            I want to see the actual figures. I don’t believe your or Romney’s incidental figures. And I certainly don’t believe half the companies have gone broke.. That’s hyperbole – fine for bloggers or bar talk but hardly appropriate for someone running for president. I understand you’re just running your mouth and are hardly expected to know what you’re talking about. Romney should be held to a slightly higher standard. Although he’s running for office, for Pete’s sake so any lie is fair game.

            http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/06/opinion/jones-romney-green-jobs/index.html

          • muse1876

            Here are your figures. Be careful for what you ask. Are you saying Obama hasn’t lied? You are right any LIE is fair game. Like, I will cut the deficiet in half, unemployment won’t go above 5%, your health care costs will go down etc. You say Romney should be held to a higher standard. Why does Obama not want to show his school records? Just a question. I believe he was born in the US so don’t go that road.

            http://blog.heritage.org/2012/11/05/green-graveyard-19-taxpayer-funded-failures/

            http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/22/news/economy/obama-energy-bankruptcies/index.html

          • Jeff

            Obama is 51 years old. You want his detention records from high school or just want to see if he flunked classes like you. On the other hand, Romney won’t provide tax returns because his 2009 return would show his profit and shenanigans on the auto bailout when he and his partner basically shook down GM and Chrysler for a share of the bailout money. Romney may yet have to answer for his activities concerning Delphi Auto Parts.

            http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/18/greg_palast_mitt_romneys_bailout_bonanza

          • BR549

            Jeff stated: @ November 5, 2012 at 2:21 pm
            “…… the primary drivers of the debt are the Bush Depression, the Bush tax cuts, and the Bush Pre-Emptive Wars. Obama’s policies have added the tiniest amount to the debt.”

            No offense, Jeff, but have you been locked in a room for the last 20 years? We’ve had a succession of globalist oriented, David Rockefeller and Bilderberg Group approved. puppet presidents, most significantly since 1988 when Papa Bush, the troublemaker, got into office. Since then, each and every president has been appointed to be focused on my the media so that our TV viewing sloths can believe they have a choice. (This has actually been going on since 1971, but it gets more complicated.) The choice is now between Bilderberg approved Romney or Bilderberg approved Obama, and I’ll tell you this, at the June Bilderberg meeting, Obama was axed. His methods were too fast and caused too much controversy, and, quite frankly, according the puppetmasters, he was becoming unbelievable; at least enough so that it interfered with their longer term plans. So, he’s out. I guess you’ll have to find that out tomorrow. I will apologize to you in person if that doesn’t happen.

            So, Papa Bush gives us the Gulf War and FEMA 3.0, Clinton gave us depleted uranium, wire taps, and FEMA 4.0. (The true purpose of FEMA was leaked backed then and Clinton just about took off a reporters head when he dared ask Clinton about it.) Bush the Idiot was the patsy president during 9/11, while approximately 9,300 lbs worth of thermite and thermate resides were extrapolated out of the WTC debris. That false-flag gave us the Patriot Act. He went in to mop up daddy’s work, get us into Afghanistan, suspended Posse Comitatus [that's a big one, folks], and gave us FEMA 5.0. Now, we have Obama, the 4th in a line of modern day traitors, who has expanded FEMA to v6.0.

            The thing is, it has always been about FEMA and its bastard cousin, DHS. The terrorists that we have been sold as being cookie-cuttered out of the Middle East to destroy democracy and our America way of life are only the blowback from our dysfunctional and hegemonic foreign policy that our illustrious leaders keep insisting is needed to preserve freedom. Forget the fact that other people and nations might happen to have some errant belief about self determination, that they alone own their natural resources, or other such nonsense.

            Every one of these presidents, including Obama, along with a long, long list of corrupt and complicit legislators, has been contributing to this demise and anyone, such as JFK or Paul Wellstone, who has had the nerve to speak up, has had ……. an accident.

          • Jeff

            I didn’t realize your Mom’s basement was so hooked into the Worldwide Conspiracy. Honestly, the Bircher stuff is really old. I thought you guys were nuts when I was in high school 40 years ago, and still no one (except you) knows about this massive conspiracy? Is the Illuminati still involved and have they let a few non-Jewish bankers in?

          • muse1876

            There are many of these groups that are real.

          • BR549

            Jeff stated, “I didn’t realize your Mom’s basement was so hooked into the Worldwide Conspiracy. Honestly, the Bircher stuff is really old. I thought you guys were nuts when I was in high school 40 years ago, and still no one (except you) knows about this massive conspiracy?”

            Just wait, my friend, …….. just wait. Life in this country will become very different from what you’ve come to know.

            Must be nice under that rock.

          • Jeff

            Come on, you guys have been peddling this crap since the 50s. The bankers, the Communists, now the Islamists. It’s like DC Comics keeps adding super-villains for Superman and Batman to battle.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Don’t poo poo what you don’t understand.

          • Jeff

            Why don’t you provide links to actual information?

          • muse1876

            That is your problem, Jeff, YOU don’t want to do any of the work to learn. You make a great liberal. You just get the daily talking point memo and believe EVERYTHING they spout. Don’t expect other people do the searching for you.

          • Jeff

            You’re telling me there are 3-headed men on Mars and I’m asking about your source. When I tell you the drivers of the deficit are George W. Hoover’s policies, I give you a link:

            http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/obama-romney-deficit-debt-chart.php

            Believe me, when I ask you to research something for me, the call will come from the Home for the Aged and Addled. You right wing idiots spin a lot of theories with nothing to back it up but speculation in specious websites. When called on it, you accuse someone else of being lazy? What a joke!

          • muse1876

            Jeff, TMP is a liberal link. You accept left wing sites. Why would I accept your Liberal sites? The problem is I accept that Bush wasn’t perfect, you refuse to accept that Obama hasn’t been perfect in all that he has done. Name calling is what you liberals do best. It shows that you have can’t prove a point with facts.

            http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html

          • Jeff

            The difference is I’m not asking you to accept anyone’s opinion or some fantasy version of what might have happened. The numbers are real. It is false to assert there are two sides to everything. Some things are facts, and some are lies.

          • muse1876
          • Jeff

            You’ll notice the deficits coming down. But all during Obama’s first term, we still were dealing with the Bush tax cuts, the Bush wars, and the after-effects of the Bush 2008 Depression. Thus, the chart I showed you. Obama’s policies (e.g. stimulus) have accounted for a very small portion of the deficits.

          • muse1876

            Must be because the House is held by the Repubs.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Another good reason is because we don’t have any more MONEY. We are broke.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF 1.4 trillion debt this year , almost 6 Trillion in 4 years JEFF and the BUSH Tax cutts only took away from the Clinton tax rate 80, billion a Year so tell me how that adds up to 6 trillion ?? And 1.5 % GDP growth WOW , and JEFF thats OBAMA all by his own doing NO Bush effect . Why is Obama scaring the Private sector Investors with Belligerent EPA actions and Keeping Private capital SCARED to INVEST and drive GDP higher ????

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Do you own a business? Would you, personally, borrow more money when you are can’t pay for what you have and hope that it will get you out od debt?

          • Jeff

            Oh please! If a President Romney decides to occupy Iran and Syria for the next decade, we’d have all the money in the world. We just have no money for anything positive – at least according to the Republicans.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Do you live you life on what IFS? Congress votes it a war will happen.

            http://stpeteforpeace.org/obama.html

          • Jeff

            Are you kidding? Congress hasn’t declared a War since WWII and even then FDR announced that a state of war had existed with Japan since the attack the day before. Plus, Hitler declared war on the U.S. Every “war” since then has been essentially declared by the President. He may get some authorization from Congress, but that is never denied because Congress assumes the President has more information and no one wants to be in the position of being against a popular war.

            Actually, I live in a suburban part of a large city in California. I just voted, and it’s amazing. There were no lines, we still use paper and markers here. We don’t need any Diebold machines to deliver votes for the Republicans. I don’t understand why it’s so easy to vote in California, the most populous state, and so impossible in places like Florida and Ohio. You can’t tell me it’s not done intentionally to suppress the Democratic vote. Rick Scott is nothing but a scam artist and should be in Federal Prison, not the Governor’s Mansion.

          • muse1876

            You living CA has a lot to do how you are wired. I guess you think Pelosi is a great liberal. Since CA is just about all liberal, why vote at all. The right doesn’t want illegals vote. The liberals will take everybodys elses money to buy the votes of idiots that have been told by the liberals you are to stupid to work, but we will give you a check to stay stupid and vote Dem. I don’t care what YOU do with YOUR money leave your hands off mine. If I want to give I will, just keep your fingers out of my pocket. I would say that Obama is nothing but a puppet. He can’t even remember what lies he has told. And Jarrett was nothing but a slum lord. Why does Jarrett need a security team? Who would go after her? Keep living in your lala land collecting your gov’t. check on the backs of the middle-class you tout so much.

          • Jeff

            So, taxes for social spending should be purely voluntary but taxes for military armaments should be mandatory? Because I wouldn’t have minded withholding the share of my taxes going to the Iraq War.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, You keep your war money, but don’t ask for any help if things turn to crap. Some social spending is necessary. I don’t want to spend more money on teachers when you can’t fire the ones that deserve to be fired. I don’t want to pay for illegals, let them change their country for the better. I don’t want to pay for cells phones when you are so greedy you take 6. Don’t keep popping out kids when you are on welfare, buy condoms and use them. I don’t want to pay for people who have no dreams to do better and think it is my duty to take care of them ala “Julia”. I never mentioned the military. I will support the military with my money and my heart. You can support all the social issues. Bet I don’t spend 1/2 of what you will spend.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF thats Naive to think that when we are as dependent on foreign parts supply from the same lenders who have been loaning us the Money you seem to think is endless THINK ABOUT THIS SCENARIO , What happens when they cut us off from the parts supplies ?? its not all about the paper money , and we cannot retool a Parts manufacturing capacity big enough fast enough to offset this especially if they cut us off when we need parts to not just run the assemble and distribution of our essential needs supplies but do it at our Planting seasons ???

          • muse1876

            I am just wondering how long it will be before the Bank of China closes?

          • BR549

            Let’s get one thing straight ….. as far as Chinese banks, the European elite have little to no tolerance for those outside their specific bloodlines. They are dyed in the wool bigoted eugenicists. They tolerate the Chinese and the Arabs because it’s cheaper to have them as temporary allies than try to control them; financially or militarily. Once the Chinese slip up and allow their finances to come too far under World Bank control, mark my words, these elites will turn on the Chinese and Arabs like a rabid dog. To the elites, these are inferior races and money can only buy so much tolerance.

            These “elites” have made it a point of trashing religion and any organizational system that serves to unite a set of members against some perceived bogeyman. Muslims should be wary, as well, of these elites because after trashing the Christians, the Muslims are next. It has nothing to do with religion, Christ, Allah, Buddha, Vishnu or Santa Claus; it is all about WEALTH AND POWER, global domination, to be exact, but ultimately by THEIR own kind and bloodlines.

            There will only be enough religion allowed to give people the illusion that they have one, so despite all the promises and all the funding, these are the people who are actually fanning the flames of hatred around the world. It truly is, for lack of a better phrase, an issue of biblical proportions and it has nothing to do with slaughtering Muslims in the name of Christ or vice versa. Hopefully, enough of the ignorant and gullible masses will wake up in time and realize who the REAL enemy is, like the Rothschilds and the royals, because it ain’t about religious differences.

            If Muslim leaders continue to labor over some ideal that they are going overrun the planet with posters about Allah, as they offer their angry and ignorant followers a chance to meet 47 virgins through martyrdom, the Chinese will put them back into the Stone Age and they won’t have learned anything.

            … but I digress.

          • muse1876

            BR549, I am surprised that the Ughars are still in China. China was a country of tradition. I see that the Buddists are getting tired of the Muslims. There are so many “secret” societies and people don’t believe that they exist. The Rothschilds and royals aren’t the only ones. When you start searching and reading with an open mind, so many things make sense. Would I have believed anything about these societies a few years ago, No. Money is the root of all evil, yet that is what drives so many. I just wish that some would open up their minds and read.

          • BR549

            muse1876 stated: @ November 6, 2012 at 8:19 pm
            You hit on a hot topic with the Buddhists getting tired of the Muslims and the number of “secret societies”. When I suggested that this was approaching biblical proportions, it has all the earmarks of what happens to man when his ego allows him to avoid looking at who is really calling the shots.

            It seems that all of these groups members [some of them even engaging in occult activities to garner more raw POWER for themselves], have lost connection with the divine spirit. Like parents who get all wound up over their kid’s performance during a soccer game, they’ve lost sight of the long term goal.

          • muse1876

            BR549, Are you talking about the Bohemian Grove group? They have some really different meetings to say the least. When Obama sealed all his records told me he is hiding his past. All I can say is why. Did he fail school, was he afraid that we would find out that he lied about not using another name or that he was listed as forgein student. I don’t trust any politician, but this guy I am surprised that Bo is still alive.

          • BR549

            muse1876 stated: @ November 6, 2012 at 9:13 pm
            “BR549, Are you talking about the Bohemian Grove group? They have some really different meetings to say the least. When Obama sealed all his records told me he is hiding his past.”

            The Bohemian Grove is the Republicans’ “summer camp” of political and corporate elite wannabes who are willing to hobnob out in the woods of northern California, getting “initiated” with a the likes of Henry Kissinger, GHW Bush, and Rumsfeld. It is held outside Healdsburg on the Russian River and has been noted for having a number of transvestite prostitutes present, bussed in from San Francisco. Nixon was quoted for saying, “It is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine”. Those are his words, exactly.

            Supposedly, the Democrats have their own version of the grove nestled somewhere in the hills of Colorado, but I don’t have any further info on that.

            The Bilderberg Group, on the other hand, refers to the meeting of the heads of state, royalty, and illegally attending members of the US government. The meetings began at the Bilderberg Hotel in the Netherlands in 1952 and has met every year since then at various locations around the world to discuss their economic manipulation of countries in order to gain global domination. You might like to look up Agenda21 in this regard.

            Both Clintons have attended and Hillary was actually fined $300,000 for it under the Logan Act, Timothy Geithner, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and a far too long list of other members in US politics. These people plan for the failure of whole economies (even ours), wars, authorize assassinations through polite suggestion of a “problem”; these people want global domination and any thought of allowing a country to have self determination or control their own resources makes their blood boil. They are, as many have discovered, classic eugenicists, whose goal is to down-populate the planet and forcibly relocate the remaining populations to suit their need for obedient worker bees.

            It doesn’t seem to make much sense until you follow the trail of funding of all the wars coming out of the Revolutionary War and how England, the banking control of which was now in the hands of the Europe dominating Jewish Rothschild family. Add in eugenicist thinking from the mid 1800s and start working forward to the parasitic interventions of the Carnegie, Rockefeller, and Morgan families and what you have is an American dream being sabotaged by personal greed and the start of the degradation of American social values and the religious community ties that would normally bond members of our society.

            JFK was assassinated for having tried to spill the beans about it, Sen. Paul Wellstone as well. Rep Jack Brook of Texas tried to bring up a smidgen of this in the Iran-Contra Hearings and was immediately censured by Sen. Dan Iouye, who obviously felt that the American people had no right to know about where their tax dollars were going under FEMA.

            And the sad part about all of this is that BOTH Romney and Obama have attended Bilderberg meetings, and you have to be INVITED to those.

            And that’s just the start of it …….. :o)

          • muse1876

            Br549, I think I’ll move to Russia or China! At least in their countries you know the laws and you know they will be enforced.

          • Jeff

            For example, here’s a link to an article positing a scientific (not conspiratorial) link between climate change and Sandy. Perhaps you could write in and let them know the Rockefellers are to blame. If only they knew the TRUTH.

            http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/10/30/did-climate-change-cause-hurricane-sandy/

          • muse1876
          • Jeff
          • muse1876

            Jeff, Your links are interesting but not persuasive. To many organizations.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF your Links are telling me that the Save the EARTH club are wanting to Control the rate of Consumption by Putting everyone on a Government Pay check and Obama is doing this just perfectly while he enriches his BUDDIES but ties stings to those riches called Donate to My campaign my DEAR CRONY !!!!

          • muse1876

            Why do people that live in mansions, like global warning guru Gore. Why do they keep their mansions if they are so worried about global warming and their foot print? Why don’t they spend their millions on communities and GIVE the houses away for the good of the world?

          • Jeff

            Did you notice the piece by Richard Muller, UC Berkeley physicist and formerly a climate change skeptic who even received funding from the Koch Brothers? He is a skeptic no more. But if you’re emotionally wed to the climate denial (or the evolution denial) position, nothing will sway you. Those impressive physicists Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck have won you over with their impeccable logic. I know that Limbaugh records the temperature of his rear end (which occupies a considerable portion of the Earth) and its temperature does not change. Therefore, no climate change.

          • muse1876

            Same liberal tactic. Why don’t you send a real impartial site from George Soros. That would really change my mind.

          • BR549

            Muse,
            Relative to the Global Warming issue, I have been doing the low carbon footprint thing since I got out of the service in the early ’70s. It just seemed like the more responsible thing to do if we were to ever become successful planetary stewards, but the latest round of global warming, in addition to whatever natural cyclic pattern it may be under, has also been exacerbated by ChemTrails, which the government first denied, but it has now been revealed that its program had been significantly ramped up during and since the first Bush administration.

            The sodium and barium salts they’ve used to supposedly reflect sunlight back out to space during the daytime have, in actuality, been reflecting far more infraRed radiation back down toward Earth during the dark phase of rotation, when the Earth would have been dissipating a lot of this load back out to space.

            Remember, Bush41 was and is a hard core globalist and the goal of the globalist elite has been, all along, to take advantage of any and all events, whether man-made or natural, in order to better one’s position from before that event, taking advantage, if you will, of famine, drought, floods, wars; any variation from the normal stream of events, where most people would have placed their investments. In a nutshell, the globalists make their living hedging against humanity, not for it. Couple that with contributing author [The Nation] Holly Sklar’s commentary about those globalists, that they seek to remove all vestiges of nationalistic and ethnic identity so that no one group or nation will be able to muster enough resistance to thwart the efforts of global unification. That isn’t an exact quote but it’s close enough.

            As I see it, the globalists would hedge their bets on global warming as long as they could get maximum mileage from it, and then hedge their bets on global cooling if it would also make then a buck. So, I don’t doubt for a moment that, while we do need responsible planetary management, these folks have already shown us that they couldn’t manage a lemonade stand without stealing the first 50 cents that came in, to say nothing of working out the efficiency bugs in the operation. Thus, while they’ve put their eggs in the Global Warming basket for the time being, using HAARP and Chemtrailing, as I see it, guaranty them their golden goose, they will have drastically skewed the trend toward warming, but under the guise of controlling it.

            The HAARP project, as it was more recently developed from Tesla’s work, was taken over by the government. I had heard a lecture by the inventor’s son, who said his father had only good intentions for controlling the weather, not to have it seized for military purposes. As his some stated, he died a depressed and broken man.

            We do need to practice more energy efficient means of living, but the globalists have all but guaranteed that whatever Carbon Taxes come in are NOT going to be used for more efficient and responsible living on the planet, but to more quickly drain the economies of the world that haven’t yet figured out that their plan, at least, was a scam. That is why the meetings failed, because the third world countries realized that they, too, were going to get hosed.

          • muse1876

            BR549, Everything that is invented is eventually turned into doing evil.

          • muse1876

            I am sure he won’t be alone.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            And JEFF you didn’t read the article its says Disabled are targeted , so where does this Power to decide end ??? DEADLY DOCTORS

            O ADVISERS WANT TO RATION CARE http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/item_PU6S0iok2FbS368B7d7mAM;jsessionid=905CFC332DC2EED4FD92D0357A655637

          • muse1876

            Jeff, There is no use in talking to you. You are depending on the gov’t. for everything. What do you think will happen when we run out of money? Who is going to pay you? If you are stupid enough to put all your eggs in the gov’t. basket, I feel very sorry for you.

          • Jeff

            I get nothing from the Government. How about you? Social Security perhaps? The point is not what one person does or doesn’t get but what makes for a decent society. You want old people begging on the street? There are lots of 3rd world countries you could visit. But here in the U.S. we can do better. You want to laugh at the idea, go right ahead. I hope someone laughs in your face when you need something.

          • muse1876

            Sorry, I don’t work and I don’t take a thing from the gov’t. I am smart enough to see that the gov’t. doesn’t care about me, all they care about is the taxes I pay. To me SS is what workers have paid into. Why should anyone work if the gov’.t will take care of me ala “Julia”. How many Julia’s can you take care of one your paycheck? American can do better, but why do you want to take what I have built and spread it around to those who don’t care about the US. Just because you are happy to give your tax dollars to the gov’t. and how they spend your money I am not. You say in the US WE can do better. What about the people who have taken and have never given a penny. We will be all begging in the street it the liberals are allowed to spend everyone elses money. You liberals love taking from the wealthy, but you won’t do it unless a law tells you to. If liberals really believed in spreading it around, what have they done? NOTHING unless it is a law. They do not practice what they preach.

          • Jeff

            What costs more – a billion dollars for a new weapons system or a million dollars for a program to keep people off the streets? Now, which would you most vehemently object to? Did you post blogs about the idiocy of all the spending on W’s pre-emptive wars? I have my doubts. You guys never object to spending money to kill bad guys, but you scream like a stuck pig it anyone suggests helping anyone other than you.

          • muse1876

            First a million is a lot less that a billion. I don’t mind helping those that TRULY need it. I and I am sure you have read the stories of how many have scammed the system out of millions and get nothing or a slap on the hand. If you don’t punish them, they will continue to do the same crap over and over. I and tired of being taken advantage of. My problem is I don’t have to the choice to what “project” the gov’t. wants to try. I do believe that any gov’t. project or handout will ever come close to what they say it will cost. One of my favorite scams is of a man who won the lotto but continued to get welfare because he didn’t make enough also there was a story about a woman that was just about the same. That is the idiocy of our gov’t.

            You squeal like a pig when we say terrorism and Obama says “work place violence.” Do you honestly think a muslim yelling allah akbar while killing soldiers is not a terrorist act. Call it what it is. You can’t sugar coat it.

          • Jeff

            Exactly. A million is less than a billion, but what do you right wingers complain about? Relatively speaking, it’s the nickels and dimes: foreign aid (1% of the budget), funding for public broadcasting (negligible), the NEA (negligible). I’ll believe Republicans are serious about the deficit when they (1) put revenue increases on the table and (2) consider cutting some of the unnecessary military spending. Until then, they’re just preaching to their right wing, xenophobic base.

            And as far as jobs go, Obama has been far better than Bush was. Look at the chart and you’ll see it shows the opposite of what you’ve been peddling. Under Obama the economy has created private sector jobs despite the extraordinary rate of loss when he first took office (750-800,000 per month). The real difference is in public secrtor jobs where the Government (that means the Congress) has a real role to play. Coming out of most recessions and with Republican presidents, the Government has stimulated the economy by aiding states to hire (or not fire) teachers, police, etc. That happened under Bush but not under Obama. I wonder why the Republican Congress wouldn’t approve something that’s virtually always approved. Perhaps to make Obama look bad?

            http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/01/493849/obama-bush-jobs-record/?mobile=nc

            The Republicans in Congress should be tried for treason. They’d rather destroy the economy than give Obama a victory. But they’re the real patriots, right?

          • muse1876

            You do know that if sequester goes through, it will be Obama’s fault when all the left’s pet projects are cut? How much is my fair share! If you think that all the money the wealthy have wouldn’t pay for a week or so of our debt. How much do you want them to pay? Why not just say everyone should pay 20% of their income to the IRS. Is that fair? You talk about fair but you don’t ever say what is fair. It is only fair if it doesn’t his your money. Nickles and dimes add up. Does PBS really need my tax dollars? I do believe they make enough money. The NEA has plenty of money that comes from their members, which have not choice but to join.

            If Obama has “made” jobs, why is the unemployment rate higher than when he started?

            You should be afraid of ObamaCare, he hasn’t spoken about that in a long time. Must be because as when this is fully in place you will hate the day this was born.

            The problem with the teacher Unions and really any Union is, why do they insist on keep people that on any scale be kept employed. Our schools are a disgrace, it isn’t all the teachers faul, but most of it is. Let the state test the teachers, what are the teachers afraid of. I am sure you have heard of the story of The Teacher of the Year was let go because she didn’t have senority. That is the crime.

            I must congratulate that you have stayed on the talking points of the liberal agenda.

            Just tell me why is the unemployment rate higher, and what is my fair share? Since you and I do agree that the right likes the military and so does the left when they need them, what liberal projects are you willing to cut as much as the military,

            Why hasn’t Reid put to vote any of the 30 bills that the House sent them? Where is the budget? I would think that even a liberal would want to know why Reid isn’t doing his job, and that Reid made those statements, without proof, about Romney’s taxes. Why didn’t Obama say he didn’t think Reid was right, yet was eager to say that the police, I believe in NH or someother NE state, acted stupidly? I want term limits. One term and out you go, no retirement or golden parachute. Reid actions have be so ugly and are lies that I would hope even the liberals would see that.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Jeff my wife and I use a Selection of Essential Oils for a Variety of health benefits

          • muse1876

            I am still waiting for her answer. I would guess she does.

          • Jeff

            And does she drive to the Welfare Office in her brand new Cadillac too? Why don’t you morons get some new material?

      • eddie47d

        Muse is not very a musing and so desperate that he was wrong on most everything. G Bush boldly proclaimed that he would encourage people to buy houses under that current program. He didn’t stop a thing and was part of the deal. The NBPs never intimidated anyone and once that was proven the case was dropped. Only proves that you do have a 1/2 brain . Get over it! GM is doing fairly well and has repaid much of the money. That is a positive step in increasing auto sales and keeping the business prospering. Hate to tell you most Americans don’t want the environment destroyed and also don’t want drilling within National Parks . Certainly not on all Federal Land. That Brazil deal had nothing to do with Obama and it came about during the Bush Administration. It was controlled my the Import-Export Bank and neither President had any part of that loan. Besides Brazil is paying it back and that is what loans are all about. Benghazi is being used as a political tool for the Republicans nothing more for they have done far far worse in muddled up foreign events. Remember the Marine Barracks bombing where they were susceptible to attack and not well guarded. (about 231 dead). Reagan pulled up shop and ran instead of attempting to improve the situation n Lebanon. Seems like Obama is more courageous and sticking it out so which had the worst setback? Should Reagan have been impeached for dereliction of duty by retreating? You seem to be saying that about our current President!

        • muse1876

          When Obama said unemployment would be 5.9% or I will cut the deficient in 1/2. The like below should help you on the housing crisis. The Auto Unions are doing great, of course they threw the Delphi retirees under the bus. They cut the Delphi but kept the auto unions whole. Paying back “much” of the money isn’t “paid” back. I wouldn’t buy a GM product I would buy a Toyota that was made in TN before I would buy a GM product. Obama sent that money there BUSH

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

        • muse1876

          You can encourage people to buy houses, but if they are to stupid to have an attorney look at the paper work that is there fault. Some were taken advantage of. But not all of them. The bottom link you should like. If you would check the rates on Fanny and Freddy they are doing the same thing that got us in this mess. How stupid is that!

          Obama promised unemployment 5.9%, he could cut the deficit in half didn’t do that either. He put billions into green energy and they failed.

          You will feel just fine if the Skin Heads did the same thing? You need to really think of what all that this DOJ allowed and will have to eat all the crap the next time this happens.

          I am sure our troops in Afgh. really feel safe when they are getting shot in the back! I bet they feel real safe when Obama apologizes for buring the koran that was already trashed by Muslims. I am sure those 4 in Beghanzi felt safe as they sat there to protect our Embassy and nothing came to help. Yeah I feel real safe. The military are getting sick of being thrown under the bus.

          How much has Brazil paid back? Last time I heard they had an oil spill? Hmmm did’t hear much about that.

          If Obama is such a strong man why is he pulling out of Afghan? What about Libya, Syria and all the help he gave Africa. Are you that one sided that you don’t see it?

          Obama has done one thing, he has made the US weaker and a laughing stock of the world. If that is what you want in a president, move to another country. I want a FLOTUS who thinks it is okay to go on these lavish trips when we are broke. I want the president and the first lady to be proud of our country, not to put us down. As a president Carter was better than Obama.

          Nice talking to you all gotta go. Don’t forget to vote!

          http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM
          http://hotair.com/archives/2012/01/27/obamas-2-billion-to-brazil-ends-up-helping-send-oil-to-china/

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        muse1876, There is a solution to your problem. Just apply for “Becoming Illegal” as Dale B Rilyeu from Oregon did:

        (Actual letter from an Oregon resident sent to his senator)

        To The Honorable Senator Wydon
        731 Hart Senate Office Building

        Dear Senator Wydon,
        As a native Oregonian and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue Service, I am writing to ASK FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE. I have contacted the Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.
        My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the Senate and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the United States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a $2,000 fine and income taxes for only three of the last five years. I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the process started before everyone figures it out.
        Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay taxes every year so I’m excited about the prospect of avoiding two years of taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an excellent result for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and 2005.
        Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local emergency room as my primary health care provider Once I have stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant figures I could save almost $10,000 a year.
        Another benefit in gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would receive preferential treatment relative to her law school applications, as well as ‘in-state’ tuition rates for many colleges throughout the United States for my son.
        Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the burden of renewing my driver’s license and making those burdensome car insurance premiums. This is very important to me, given that I still have college age children driving my car.
        If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of the necessary forms, I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistance
        Your Loyal Constituent, (hoping to reach ‘illegal alien’ status rather than just a benefice [the revenue itself; the equivalent of a fief/territory held in fee in the early Middle Ages.] citizen of the USA)
        Dale B Rilyeu, Lebanon, Or Get your Forms (NOW)!!
        Call your Internal Revenue Service at 1-800-289-1040
        (Please pass this on to your friends so they can save on this great offer.)

        I am a PROUD (Naturalized) American

        • muse1876

          I remember reading this. It is a sad day in America when Americans want to become illegals. Something isn’t right it is time to change the attitude of Americans back to pride of country. Thanks for posting that.

      • eddie47d

        We do have pride in America. Liberty and Justice for all not just a select few!

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Muse1876, I totally agree with you.

        By my own skin I know how the life is under dictatorial & tyrannical communistic regime.
        No FREEDOM of press, no FREEDOM of THOUGHTS. Total Godlessness & CORRUPTION and people’s “EQUALITY”, but NOT for the rulers. Family of four could NOT have an apartment, which would exceed 28 square meters or freely decide where to go to vacation.

        And STUPID HOAX like EDDIE47d don’t understand that he will be exterminated by regime he is working, advocating for in the moment of his uselessness. By his bosses, like they did with an ambassador of Libya, or homosexual partners of O’Homobama, the most STUPID, DISHONEST & PERVERT “president” of America.

        Muse, pray for America. There is NO OTHER country as AMERICA.

        God BLESS you and America.

        P.S. God is very patient, but the patience is NOT endless

        • muse1876

          Alondra, I am assuming that you are now in US. Welcome to the best country ever. It will be better after Obama is gone. The ones who think they are “safe” from extermination will be the first to go. As a leader you aren’t afraid of working class, because you have purchased their souls, as the leader you are afraid of your next in command and so on. As a mother, I still don’t have enough patience. So I can understand if God has had it with us humans. I think I would have thrown up my hands way before he will. God bless you.

  • dan

    The storm is Obama’s fault….as is the wars.the deficcit and unemployment , Begahzi-Gate
    and any other problem will be for the next four years….except what Dingy Harry Reid and Nan
    are responsible for…. deal with it….it’s American corporate politics

    • mark

      Dan, it’s not just the storm that is Obama’s fault. There are many other things we can blame on this President as well: all cancer in the world, all heart disease, all respiratory disease, all athritis, all who die in car accidents, construction accidents, gun accidents. You’re right Obama is responsible for all of these – also for the Holocaust, Stalin’s crimes, Mao’s murders – even though Obama wasn’t born until 1961, he still is responsible for them. At last I can see the light! You are all right! Obama is the Anti-Christ! And Romney is Jesus come back to earth. And on the day of Romeny’s election all the aforementioned maladies will instantly and irrevocably end…. Yeah, right.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

        No no no, mark. All the above mentioned are Bush’s fault!

      • eddie47d

        No no no Jayson, Bush is blamed for what he did and got us into while Obama is blamed for everything that Bush got us into.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          EDDIE47d Tell me how did Bushes Complete across the Broad failures that you are promoting lead to the International Economic Collapse in 2008 That You claim Bush did all by himself ?

        • muse1876

          Just think where we would be if Clinton would have taken out bin-Laden when he had the chance.

          • Jeff

            He wasn’t quite the priority pre-911 he was after. If only someone had killed Hitler pre-1933.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            The problem with taking out a leader of a problem doesn’t solve the problem because leaders rise up in the face of problems and those who seek to empower the People to deal with the problem will do so Peacefully , its the ones that say Government is the solution always have been the biggest failure in solving the problems , history shows the Government in the face of supply shortages have always been the taker of Liberty in ways we today cannot imagine even when we read history !!!!!And the problem is always a lack of supply , always !!

      • g

        typical liberal Obummer loving distraction from what is being commented on. Libtard will not admit they do not have anything to say to really support Obummer last four years of failure so they try throw in some more unrelated BEE-ES . If the Libtards were smart they would spew that BO has not failed as all that he has accomplished was intentional according to his plan of destruction or should I say REFORMATION of USA for new world order. Want to know BO just look real close at Putin whom seems to be BO ideal.

      • eddie47d

        Does (g) stand for giggle for I got a good laugh out of that one dude or dudette!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Attempting to redirect into nonsensical scenarios you are only making yourself look foolish, and your foolishness isn’t going to make O look any better.

      • eddie47d

        Are you referring to (G’s) childish comment Nadzieja. Made about as much sense as yours.

      • eddie47d

        I didn’t say what you said Tony so you get NO answer you dang fool!

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          EDDIE47d you say Bush caused the collpase in the USA and that happened at the same time we saw a Global collapse so what caused all those nations to collapse too at the same time and these nations Governments be bailout out and printing capital to bailout further their economies , even China now doing stimulus ????

          • muse1876

            Name calling is so childish.Eddie47 we are all friends.

  • Motov

    As usual, great job! Ben! Always refreshing to see you on Saturdays.

  • Roger

    I don’t know why I got e-mail from Personal liberty but I’m glad I did I never knew this kind of talk was going on. This is really sad.

    • Texas Ride

      Roger, you are the sad one! Everyone in the country has these feelings, or they are functioning at the level of a moron…

      What is sad is that we have a foreign moo squatting in the oval office, doing everything in his power to destroy your life and your country!

      By the time this generation of small children grow up each one will be saddled with over $200,000 in debt before they even get started in life. We have czars that advocate getting rid of two-thirds of the population while the government PAYS the useless to pop out more children like rabbits. This regime is nothing but one big contradiction and nothing makes sense, unless the goal is total destruction of our way of life and prosperity.
      As an American you should show some concerned.

      • Roger

        I am concerned about the people on here that are living in a world of fear and hate it is really sad. Yet your worry is YOUR way of life.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Roger, what world are you living in, Is it LaLa Land or land of make believe, or wonderland?
        The hater is yourself because you accuse other people of doing something that you yourself are doing and are attempting to draw yourself in a good light.

    • eddie47d

      You made some good points Texas but you also have your own contradiction. How can the government “reduce the population by 2/3rd’s (don’t believe) yet allow the useless to pop out children like rabbits” Those two are not compatible no matter how you twist it. Another thing is your calling some people “useless” now if you really believe that then what are you doing to correct that and make them useful.

      • JeffH

        eddie says to Texas “You made some good points Texas but you also have your own contradiction. How can the government “reduce the population by 2/3rd’s (don’t believe) yet allow the useless to pop out children like rabbits”

        Well eddie, if you had any comprehention abitlities at all you would have understood that Texas said…some of O’man’s CZARS wanted to reduce the poulation by 2/3rds…he didn’t say government wanted to reduce the population…DUH!

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          And thats world population too so they are really sticking their noses in where its Not their Business , the Globalist Visions that Obama shows in his Foreign Policies that he does not talk about is the shadow Global Government he is being LEAD BY .

        • muse1876

          I have seen story after story on this. Bill Gates comes to mind. I do believe that some people want this. I have heard that the poor, sick and ones who don’t have any talents will be the first to go.

          • Jeff

            I think right wing bloggers are at the top of the list. Right behind Donald Trump. Be afraid, Muse. Be very afraid. Hide under the bed whenever a helicopter is around!

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Jeff its why they will never disarm the USA

      • eddie47d

        Are you the captain of the Idiot Brigade Jeff H or just a peon? Maybe you could borrow the other half of Muse’s brain.

        • muse1876

          Eddie47d, [personal attack removed]

      • JeffH

        muse, When it comes to Bill Gates and his dehumanization agenda, it’s hard to even know where to begin: GMOs? Vaccines? Chemtrails? Genetically engineered mosquitoes?

        Bill Gates has even funded a technology that can sterilize a human man by blasting his scrotum with a high-frequency ultrasound device.

        The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF) are focusing on population control through their Global Health Development Programs. By using citizens in under-developed nations, like Africa and India, was Guinea pigs for their research and development for “new interventions such as vaccines, drugs and diagnostics”, these globalists hope to ensure their family planning schemes are effective.

        The Gates Foundation is focusing on controlling population in poor countries with drugs like Depo-Provera. By pouring funding into the supply chains and relationships with the pharmaceutical corporations, they plan on bringing this drug to the developing world.

        Melinda Gates has made this issue her personal mission.

        Bill Gates Admits Vaccines Are Used for Human Depopulation
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064

        • muse1876

          I have read so much about Bill Gates and friends on their plans. I can’t understand what it takes to make people think this is a good idea? Why not just come out and say anyone on welfare should just be put to death. Any country that their population are starving, just bomb them. GMO’s don’t hurt the rich, they can afford it. I must say I did buy a TV dinner that was GMO free and it tasted like crap! I for the first time in years will try a small garden. The last one the deer ate. I have bought my heirloom seeds. I can tell by smell if it is a real tomatoe. This is one way to get rid of the lower classes. But then who will work?!

          • BR549

            Beside Bill Gates and Ted Turner being globalists, they are died in the wool eugenicists. This is the plan that the globalists have for the rest of us. Obama and Romney won’t admit this at all, just as they won’t admit to supporting NAFTA, but they can’t seem to come up with any viable reason not to.

            The fact is that the Bushes, the Clintons, and now Obama have all backed globalist (read that as eugenicist) policies. It’s why we ALWAYS go further into the crapper, no matter which party gets into power. It isn’t because we ran out of electricity or oil, or because our military somehow got its ass kicked to the curb. We had the most powerful country in the world, militarily, monetarily, and economically; we had everything; everything except a willingness to admit that our Constitution held us to a set of values derived and expanded from the Bible. And look where we are.

            I think you get it, but the hard core libtards and Neocon denialists are hopelessly lost thinking that the system is still working and that only their candidate can pull us out of this mess, if they had another four years.

          • muse1876

            What is funny to me, is that who decides who lives and doesn’t. I don’t think that any of the names you mentioned should feel that they will be safe. Once they have their dreams of open borders and the new one world, there will be many who will want to have the heads of those who are on the top. They will have their own Gadafi or bin-Laden moments. You can only keep people down on the plantation for so long.

      • Kate8

        muse – the lower classes AREN’T working. That’s why they’re getting the GMOs.

        Of course, the fact that they won’t allow private businesses to thrive anymore so people can have jobs is another issue. But then, when you offer free stuff, why would anyone want to work, anyway?

        Nonsense? Insanity? Of course. All of it is. It’s to keep our heads swimming.

        • muse1876

          They will stop with all this experimentation when our children are born with horrific abnomalities. God forgive this nation.

          I agree with you that people that are working to better themselves will quit working when they see what the loafers are getting for doing nothing. It will happen. We thought Greece was bad that was childs play compared what will happen here. An article in a newspaper stated that this one single woman who had 3 or 4 kids she got money for food, phone and of course the free healthcare, wonder if their freebies will be less so she could pay for her healthcare. She did work part time the state gave $1,500. a month for rent. She lived with her mother. Scam after scam. The more you help the more they want and take. We are a sad country if we accept this as normal.

      • Kate8

        muse – A wise person said, “Absolute power corrupts absolutely”.

        A wiser man said, “It’s dependency which corrupts absolutely”.

        It’s true. The only way people gain power is by creating a dependent class who look to them for survival. If no one needs them, they have no power.

        This is exactly why they do it. They well understand human nature.

      • eddie47d

        Muse: Gates has nothing to do with GMOs or chem trails. and Jeff H. is going overboard again. I believe vaccinations should be mostly a personal choice yet they have saved millions of lives. So how is Gates reducing populations by saving lives?

      • Kate8

        muse – I’m okay with liberals getting all the vaccinations they want. There are far too many of them.

    • Karolyn

      I didn’t know it either Roger until I signed on here a couple of years ago. It is sad. People are just going crazy ideology. And the “journalists” who contribute to the divide are worse than those who worship them.

  • http://Yahoo Peter Barney

    Where’s Bronco Bama?

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

    This is why we have the Crisis we have is
    because of these Ideologues and enough is enough they gotta go we need new
    Political Soil to grow our USA policies with !!

    Reid says he can’t work with Romney, http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/2/reid-says-he-cant-work-romney/

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

    When the Power and Control is to Centrally controlled like with Government controlling to much of the economic process with over regulatory force People are the ones that suffer while Politics play to win votes rather than get service and essential supply to the ground !!! the states would distribute better the essential needs of societies . Romney wants to Empower the states to do more for their people and that is a Leader with a Logical Mind that Matters over Ideological Views that we have crippling the Federal Governments ability to deliver because of the environmental aspect being to extreme to Save Earth .
    MSN Money
    Should FEMA be run by the states?

    http://money.msn.com/politics/post.aspx?post=7ccf234a-f324-4cb9-baae-dc362f18decb&ocid=vt_fbmsnmon

    I think Yes because the Money being controlled by a federal Government
    thats too ideologically perverted to be Preemptively focused on states needs
    and tries to centralize the relief efforts causes bottle necks in distribution
    efforts . States being in more control would spread the resources out and
    better access faster would be a better result . All you need to do to see a
    Example of the Use of money and resources by Ideological Federal Officials is
    in this Video …. http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/25/obama-on-leno-these-banks-are-profit-seekers-which-is-precisely-why-we-need-to-regulate-them/

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

      When the Power and Control is to Centrally controlled like with Government controlling to much of the economic process with over regulatory force People are the ones that suffer while Politics play to win votes rather than get service and essential supply to the ground !!! the states would distribute better the essential needs of societies . Romney wants to Empower the states to do more for their people and that is a Leader with a Logical Mind that Matters over Ideological Views that we have crippling the Federal Governments ability to deliver because of the environmental aspect being to extreme to Save Earth .
      MSN Money
      Should FEMA be run by the states?

      http://money.msn.com/politics/post.aspx?post=7ccf234a-f324-4cb9-baae-dc362f18decb&ocid=vt_fbmsnmon

      I think Yes because the Money being controlled by a federal Government
      thats too ideologically perverted to be Preemptively focused on states needs
      and tries to centralize the relief efforts causes bottle necks in distribution
      efforts . States being in more control would spread the resources out and
      better access faster would be a better result .

      • Roger

        Unbelievable and sad very sad

        • Kate8

          What is sad is that we have allowed this political system to descend into so much corruption that they represent the uber-elite and have completely dismantled our Constitutional Republic.

          The federal government was never to have so much power. As stated, all powers not specifically enumerated in the Constitution was to be left to the sovereign states.

          What we now have is a huge blood-sucking beast that represents only itself, and feeds off the labor and blood of the common masses, controlling them with promises of meeting their needs by pilfering from their fellow citizens. The truth is they’ve taken this money for themselves, dropping just enough crumbs from their tables to keep the masses demanding more, while they live in opulence we cannot even imagine (at our expense). They’ve placed themselves well above the common man, formining an elite society…

          As Michael Jackson put it: “All I wanna say is that they don’t really care about us…”

          Right before his untimely death…

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

    When you have a Environmentalist Ideology as Extreme as we have today in the USA and world and their Influence over Politics having forced on the use of Money to drive and expand the supply-side economy because they see this as harmful to earth this is why we see a dependency of our society now suffering at the hands Of to much dependency on a centralized Government that cannot get out of the way of their own Bureaucracy that is interrupting distribution of essential needs when crisis strikes and this is why we need more States control of essential needs delivered by a Agency like FEMA . And this view of private wealth and how capital flows through the private sector Economy is causing interruptions in having capital in the right places at the right time in such crisis situations , complicated by a ” Just – in – Time supply and distribution system we have today where we have reduced our warehouse supply down to nothing . . All you need to do to see a
    Example of the Use of money and resources by Ideological Federal Officials is
    in this Video …. http://hotair.com/archives/2012/10/25/obama-on-leno-these-banks-are-profit-seekers-which-is-precisely-why-we-need-to-regulate-them/

  • Smiley

    All I can say is I voted vor the American not the Kenyan

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

      Its amazing how many people think Obamacare will be free for them .
      http://www.atr.org/new-obamacare-tax-form-mandates-americans-a7285

      • larry ryan

        Of course Obamacare will be free…if. If the board approves. If you have the right political views. If you’re the right age. If you know the right people. One good thing about Obamacare, no more worries about winding up in a nursing home. Just end of life counseling and what’s your preferred method of being ushered out?

      • eddie47d

        Larry: No one is that naive and healthcare costs everyone no matter which country you live in and who’s in charge. Whether private insurers or government. There will be no “preferred” method under the AHCA and it could be worse under a private system. Private insurers don’t have to do squat and if you don’t have the money so long Charlie. You better hope you have rich kids to take care of you or a great funeral plan.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          EDDIE47d you talk as If the federal Government has endless resources to provide Obamacare and the Private sector is limited , well how long can the Federal Government run on a unsustainable debt until the equity runs out and that Obamacare Spigot runs dry ?? And don’t say Tax the rich , that Redistribution of an existing supply that is not growing and expanding to create more taxable income is whats Missing from the Obama policies and that will run the Spigot dry No Matter how high the Taxes are on everyone let alone the Upper Income earners !!!!!!

          • BR549

            If healthcare costs were CORRECTLY factored into our cost of living, and if our legislature were able to avoid caving in to corporate influence, perhaps we would have a legitimate and sustainable agricultural philosophy in this country, people would be able to actually eat the food stuffs that nature had provided, and we wouldn’t be burdened with bureaucratic health care costs …… particularly ObamaCare.

            When government decides to get serious about health care, it will have tossed Monsanto out on its ear, pulled the troops home, cut the DOD off at its knees, and taken Jeffersonian philosophies to heart by staying on our own turf. I don’t mean to sound too anti-Republican here, since I’m as equally anti-Democrat; politicians have become a greedy, self, serving lot because it has turned into one huge free-lunch program.

            When we get serious about food and keeping it sustainable without the use of microbe destroying chemicals, our healthcare system will follow in its tracks. Until that happens, these clowns behind the podium are just pulling another smoke and mirrors routine ……… and so far, with respect to this upcoming election, far too many people are still going Oohh and Aahh.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            BR549 you need some hope for your country so I would vote for the Guy that is talking about making you more Self Reliant and less Dependent on a Government that you speak of …..

          • muse1876

            Not to long ago preppers were made fun of. Today I bet there are more of your friends that are preppers than what you think.

      • http://none Claire

        After the ordeals my husband went throught the past two years of his life, I cannot imagine Obamacare being worse. The cost was unbelievable. The fees that the doctors, hospitals, and insurance companies charge have been going through the roof for the past few years.

      • BR549

        Tony, respectfully, we will only aspire to the level of our own ignorance and lack of creativity. I’m not in any way inferring that you are part of the problem, since you brought up a valid point. I wish I could tell people, after looking at MY version of a crystal [no relation to Ben] ball, which candidate would best serve our purposes, alas, I cannot. All I can do is point out points of information discovered along the way and let people make up their own minds, yet far too often, people cannot handle the truth, no matter how it’s packaged.

        It’s one thing for people to still vote for Obama or Romney as the lesser of two evils, while understanding their faults but agreeing to hold their feet to the fire, but when they start listing the long list of attributes while totally ignoring, with absolutely no discussion, the long list of immoral, unconscionable, unethical, and illegal behaviors, I call that denial of the first order.

        Sure, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson MUST have a few skeletons in their closets; they have to; I certainly have mine, but at least Stein and Johnson aren’t bought and paid for by George Soros, David Rockefeller, the Bilderberg Group, The Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, and racing to have the UN take over this country to support their need to conform to globalist dictates. The reason you never hear about them is PRECISELY because they refuse to support NAFTA.

        All I would suggest to these people is, rather than have them bitch and moan about the nonsensical drivel we have been given in the Kabuki Theater main stream media TV debates, watch the Third Party debates Monday evening on RT and, if nothing else, at least hold their favorite candidate up to that light and then decide if they still think they are getting the straight scoop, the truth.

        • muse1876

          The only people that will have free health care are the illegals.

      • eddie47d

        Get real Muse.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

      It will be out right health care oppression and become the next racially conflict of Identity once these Government Subcontracting Firms gain access to a Persons Private Information and start the process of sharing that Information in determining a persons Liability cost for Care , Oh the Unintended consequences will be amazing , once the Lawyers for personal mental pain and suffering enter into this fray !!!! http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/265659-conflict-of-interests-concerns-raised-as-obama-races-to-implement-health-reform

    • eddie47d

      Since Obama was born in Hawaii Mr Smiley does that make Romney the Kenyan? LOL!

      • muse1876

        I will vote for the man who will bring back honor the office of President. I will vote for the man who isn’t in the Unions pockets. I will vote for the man who thinks more about America than he does himself. I will vote for the man who won’t let our heroes be murdered. I will not vote for the man that hasn’t kept his promises. I won’t vote for the man that will rape SS and the Military. I will not vote for the man that invited terrorists into the Peoples House. I will not vote for the man who bailed out Chrysler that was sold to Fiat, that will now open an factory in China. That is the same as sending jobs over seas. Lies, Lies and more lies I will not vote for.

      • eddie47d

        Your too funny Muse (should be 1386 as far as your head is up that lower body part). As in the century 800 years ago! You spread more crap than Homers pig farm! Yes you will then vote for the person that helped destroy unions taking the Middle Class with them. You will vote for the man who destroyed companies and set workers into the unemployment lines. You will vote for a man who made countless millions taking away a job from a man making $50,000. You are as evil as Romney and then some! You will vote for the man who will set us up with more wars (Iran which he promised with that deal with Netanyahu). Which will lead to far more deaths of Americans than you ever imagined from Obama. Romney will make those four deaths look like a pimple on your butt and then you will praise him as a hero just like you did with Reagan! The Republicans (Ryan) wants to either voucherize SS or abolish it. So take another look who wants to sell us out! The Jeep CEO came out in defense of Obama and said no American would lose their job or any plants closed in the USA. You are so unbelievably ignorant. You are so dishonest on almost everything! You are absolutely blind in how many jobs Bain(Romney) sent overseas. Wake up!

        • muse1876

          The unions are in decline. I wish you could learn to chat without belittleing. Why do companies want to move to right to work states? Because overhead is cheaper and yes they are paid less, but the cost of living is less. Why would the Union in WA sue to stop an air plane maufacturer building a plant in a right to work state? The Union was keeping people from being employeed. Yeah sound just wonderful. Romney made his money he took advantage of tax breaks. Romney took his pay for Gov. and gave it to charity. Romney took the 1.2 million paycheck for the Olympics and gave it to charity. Romney inherited a large amount of money and he gave it to charity. Romney gives money to his church. I don’t know where Obama gives his money and I really don’t care where he does.

          I don’t know how old you are, but I every year I get a statement of what my SS will be, in the last 3 years it has gone down. My health insurance has gone up $70. a month and my co pay also has gone up. Ryan doesn’t want to abolish SS. He wants to make the younger pay more so they will have it. Tell me why we are giving illegals SS? Is this okay with you?Obama is taking care of everyone except the American people.

          Fiat is building a plant in China to make Jeeps. Wouldn’t it have been real nice of them, since we bailed out Chrysler and then sold it, if they would have built that plant in the US. So, yes these jobs are going overseas. Why didn’t OBama or any of his minions make sure that if they built a new plant that it would be in the US? All I can say is the only game Obama can play, maybe, is golf.

          Why did Obama make Imelt the Job Czar when GE sends more jobs over seas that Romney every could. Would you but Imelt into that position knowing that he is sending jobs to China.I much rather vote for a man that tells me I can have a better paying job.I don’t want Obama’s “Julia” scenario. You need to ask yourself how many “Julia”s can you afford too take care of? People with money are leaving. Who will pay for you and all those Julia’s? I and millions more won’t be here to help. So sad for you.

          For your information there have been more deaths in Afghanistan since Obama took over. Why did Obama send the Military to Africa? Haven’t heard much about that.Don’t think the terrorists are on the run as Obama says.

          http://www.voanews.com/content/us-expands-military-operations-in-africa/1519891.html

          I really think you are a disgusting person to call our 4 heroes that Obama watch die as “pimples on your butt.” I hope you never need a military person to come to your aid. They will let you pop like the pimple you are on your ass. How could you? Why would you make a joke about this? Is this how liberal look at this murder? Thank God I am a conservative.

      • eddie47d

        We live in a world economy Muse. Do you want McDonald’s,Sears,KFC and the myriad of other American businesses to not capture those markets? No Jeep jobs are leaving America only new ones are starting up in China to capture that their market and make money. That is also free enterprise and capitalism.

        • muse1876

          I disagree, we should not have bailed them out and then allow Fiat to build a factory in China. That didn’t help the US at all. We do live in a world economy, but that doesn’t mean we should be on the losing end. Since Fiat is a French company, how is that going to help us? Do you believe that Fiat will stay in the US if they can make the same car in China cheaper? If you were a business owner and the only way you could stay in business and provide for you family is to out source you business to a forgein country, would you close your doors or would you outsource it? Hard decision.

  • chuckb

    fema should be shut down, another government welfare agency proven to fail. we have people still living off fema from the katrina hurricane, no doubt these will be life long residents. the individual states should be responsible for their own welfare.
    our politics have generated a welfare mentality, anything for a vote.

    most of our larger cities have become a capture net for the third world nations, they have come looking for a handout and we supplied it, not only have we supplied them education, medical and personal welfare we have given them the vote to help them continue this generous way of life at the taxpayers expense.

    somewhere along the line we have to say no more or our way of life and liberty is gone.
    we not only have this illegal nation set up in our borders, we have at the same time propagated a welfare type employment, the federal and state workers, they are now close to surpassing the private employment, so who pays the bill?

    • Jeff

      Chuck, most government workers are teachers, police, and firemen. Clearly, you got no benefit from teachers, but some people actually think before they blog. Get rid of FEMA? You’ve said lots of dumb things, but that may be at the top of the list. Is FEMA bad even when the recipients are white people? Just wondering?

      • chuckb

        jeff, i know it must be a shock for people of your mentality to even suggest getting rid of a welfare agency. it only shows how much you understand the function of government. there’s nothing in the constitution that requires the fed. government to set up a welfare agency such as fema. this agency was formed by a presidential executive order,
        just to show how little you know, nixon was the president who initiated this agency. i’m sure your liberal pee brain could understand the power this agency has if you ever took the time to read it, that is if you can read and understand at the same time.

        • Jeff

          Chuck, you can put whatever label you want on FEMA but it has proven itself invaluable in recovery from natural disasters when run by people who believe it has a function. You think saying Nixon started it somehow invalidates it as an agency? The EPA started under Nixon as well. I know you want to get rid of that as well. Is it a welfare agency too?

          I’ve said this before here. I remember Nixon well. He escalated the Viet Nam War and was responsible for more death and destruction than even LBJ. He prolonged the war when he knew it was unwinnable just to save face and to get a peace agreement he knew would fall apart the minute we left. My first vote was against Nixon in ’72. All that being said, in comparison to W and the current morons in the Republican Party (admittedly a very low bar), Nixon could be on Mt. Rushmore.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, No matter what the disaster under any President will be seen as a failure. We live in a country that demands everything NOW. Obama is the disaster for this country. Let the states handle this. They know what and where the most help is needed. You hold FEMA and OBama on a pedistal that is about to fall. You can’t make all the people happy all the time. It took Obama 10 days to visit MO when the tornadoes hit. Oh, yeah that wasn’t near the election. When you finally figure out that he is a loser, the better off you will be.

        • muse1876

          Chuckb,I was wondering how long it would take for some idiot to equate this disaster and FEMA to race. What a sad state America is in!

          • Jeff

            Muse, you need to understand context. Chuck has, in the past, admitted to some degree of racism, so it is somewhat tongue-in-cheek that I asked him if FEMA is still bad when helping White people. But anytime right wingers bring talk of a “welfare” organization, it is difficult to separate that term from its racial connotations in Right Wing Land.

      • eddie47d

        Although I think too many people live on the coast and in low lying areas ChuckB many victims are far from shore when a hurricane hits. Since the government can’t stop these people from building on the coast or in tornado zones or flood plains should FEMA be abolished and everyone is strictly on their own? The Red Cross is helping these newest victims and that is not near enough ChuckB.We have all seen pictures of Europe after the war and how the Marshall Plan helped rebuild those communities. The New York and Jersey area looks like a war zone so shouldn’t we have our own FEMA (Marshall Plan) for digging ourselves out? Should citizens have to individually pay for bridges out or streets tore up or light posts that are down. There has to be some coordinated group action when it covers more than one city or state and for now that is FEMA

      • muse1876

        Jeff, What does the color of ones skin have to do with anything? Are you saying that blacks are the one that need FEMA the most? I would feel better if gov’t. workers would have to be under ObamaCare. I would feel better if teachers had to prove that they can teach to children, just like the children have to “prove” that they should go to the next grade, well some teachers even cheat at this. The gov’t. has a track record of being poor stewards of our tax dollars, and it doesn’t matter it they are black or white. I depends on their core values and OBama has none so anything he tries to run is crap.

        • Jeff

          The comment was not about FEMA but about Chuck’s attitudes.

    • Karolyn

      What would you have those suffering after a disaster do? If it were you on the Jersey shore and had lost absolutely everything, would you not need assistance? This is true especially of the poor and elderly. Sure, donations are pouring into the Red Cross, but it’s not enough. Would you deny people life just because they’re poor?

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        The states need to be holding back more tax revunes that go to the Federal GOV for their own brand of FEMA and that On the ground local intervention be better ready to assist than the bottleneck that is created with a central Government agency . Plus the states would better assist each other with this kind of an approach say where each state Representatives collaboration with each other on these crisis issues could be quicker with response than having to cut through the red tape a Bureaucracy of Federal Government statues creates . More heads working together rather than ONE head of Sate like what we have with the federal Government being the main source for supply and resources running into bureaucratic influences is why the states need to be more in control and able to work with each other better to distribute FEMA type resources in time of need !!

      • Karolyn

        Good point, Tony.

      • chuckb

        karolyn, it’s pretty sad when people depend on the federal government for their every need. take some time and read what fema is all about.
        the individual states should be prepared for these type of emergencies. i notice there are many church organizations and the red cross that manage help to foreign nations when disasters hit.
        i’m really surprised that you people with liberal attitudes would back fema, you evidently don’t understand the power this agency has.

        • muse1876

          Chuckb, I agree. What would theydo if there was FEMA? They would rely on each other for help. I heard that the liberals were downing Romney for his charity and how he was show putting items in the bus. The liberals didn’t mention that that Obama sent out an email to all his voters to give to the Red Cross throught a link called mybarrakobama, or something close to that. I delet trash as soon as I get. Obama does NOTHING unless there is a payoff for him. The Military detest this man because he does not have their backs, ala Benghazi.

          I do know for sure that many Americans will leave this country and take their wealth to other countries. Why stay in a country that praises lazy oafs? When we all leave who is going to pay for their gravy trains? The middle-class better be prepared to pay a lot more than this loser promised. All his promises are nothing but smoke and mirrors. From ObamaCare to whatever else he cooks up.

      • eddie47d

        Okay ChuckB let the states handle it but remember that means the states will have to raise taxes to accomplish that mission. Remember also it is the coastal areas that receive the brunt of these disasters and that is how we receive and ship out most of our commerce goods. You benefit from those goods yet you want to put the full burden on those state. aka Oil refineries in Texas and Louisiana,oil spills in Florida and Alaska,huge shipping centers in Southern California and New Jersey. If these states receive the brunt of earthquakes or hurricanes then wouldn’t the costs of goods go up if they have to bear the burden of all the potential damages within that state? Nebraska and So Dakota gain from commerce (grains) going in and out of these ports yet they have few disasters to contend with. So are we the UNITED States of America and share in all the benefits and problems that go along with these disasters?

  • alan smith

    As usual, Ben is hot, he needs to grow the gotee back.

  • James Corbin

    Off the record——I wonder what Obama did with his million he got for The Nobel Peace Prize, which he didn’t deserve. What did he get it for anyway???? I know he said charity—–but there wasn’t anything else said about it.

    • Jeff

      We needn’t worry where it would have gone had Romney won it – straight to the Cayman Islands to create jobs in, where else, OHIO!

      • Jeff

        I’m crushed by your disapproval.

  • James Corbin

    Once the government gets full control——there goes freedom!!!!!!

  • tweaver1945

    There are winners & losers: Obama picks mostly losers.

    The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
    1. Evergreen Solar ($24 million)*
    2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
    3. Solyndra ($535 million)*
    4. Beacon Power ($69 million)*
    5. AES’s subsidiary Eastern Energy ($17.1 million)
    6. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
    7. SunPower ($1.5 billion)
    8. First Solar ($1.46 billion)
    9. Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
    10. EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
    11. Amonix ($5.9 million)
    12. National Renewable Energy Lab ($200 million)
    13. Fisker Automotive ($528 million)
    14. Abound Solar ($374 million)*
    15. A123 Systems ($279 million)*
    16. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($6 million)
    17. Johnson Controls ($299 million)
    18. Schneider Electric ($86 million)
    19. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
    20. ECOtality ($126.2 million)
    21. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
    22. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
    23. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
    24. Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
    25. Range Fuels ($80 million)*
    26. Thompson River Power ($6.4 million)*
    27. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
    28. LSP Energy ($2.1 billion)*
    29. UniSolar ($100 million)*
    30. Azure Dynamics ($120 million)*
    31. GreenVolts ($500,000)
    32. Vestas ($50 million)
    33. LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($150 million)
    34. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
    35. Navistar ($10 million)
    36. Satcon ($3 million)*
    *Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.
    The problem begins with the issue of government picking winners and losers in the first place. Venture capitalist firms exist for this very reason, and they choose what to invest in by looking at companies’ business models and deciding if they are worthy. When the government plays venture capitalist, it tends to reward companies that are connected to the policymakers themselves or because it sounds nice to “invest” in green energy.
    The 2009 stimulus set aside $80 billion to subsidize politically preferred energy projects. Since that time, 1,900 investigations have been opened to look into stimulus waste, fraud, and abuse (although not all are linked to the green-energy funds), and nearly 600 convictions have been made. Of that $80 billion in clean energy loans, grants, and tax credits, at least 10 percent has gone to companies that have since either gone bankrupt or are circling the drain.

    • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

      tweaver1945
      obama & Dem’s machine propaganda playing political games with green jobs numbers.
      Labor Dept. counts oil lobbyists, garbage men, bus drivers as ‘green jobs’
      Watch video on YouTube:
      youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=q0IQ_vI9WZ0&NR=1

      Colorado Abound Solar Energy Company under criminal FRAUD investigation.
      “In 2009, the CEO of the firm was invited to the White House to help kick off the 787 billion dollar stimulus, and in 2010, Abound received a guaranteed 400 million dollar loan.”

      “However, this summer the firm shut down and closed its plant, 125 workers lost their jobs, and taxpayers are on the hook for 60 million dollars worth of defaulted government loans.”

      newstalk870.am/major-green-energy-company-facing-criminal-fraud-investigation/

      youtube.com/watch?v=R86VqQOtTLY&feature=player_embedded

      Who knows HOW MUCH $M went into the Bustard’s paket?

  • chuckb

    muse1876, jeff and his cohorts don’t understand self reliance, they only understand the granny state, someone must hold their hand at all times. they grew up in social welfare, they evidently were employed by the state or fed, possibly a union,

    we still have people living in the fema camps from katrina and most likely will be there from now on. these same people did nothing to protect or help themselves, they waited for fema, the free stuff, we now have a nation full of welfare recipients, romney was right, we have at the very least 47% of the population that can be considered the entitlement crowd.

    we have a president, “affirmative action” leading the country into socialism. i wonder where barry is going to get the money to bail out the states hit by sandy? we have california waiting in the sidelines,( bankrupt) and i believe new york is right there with them. both of these states are so liberal they make castro turn green with envy

    this benghazi thing should open peoples eyes, we have a president that lied to the nation and before the world, the media is protecting him trying to get him re-elected where it will be possible to sweep it under the rug like fast and furious. with a bolshevik controlled senate and a very weak congress he has no fears.

  • chuckb

    kate8, just add up the entertainment bill for moochella and barry over the last four years, the operation of air force one for his constant campaigning, has he done anything else, oh yes, the golf games the cost of these things alone would probably make a dent in the national debt.

    even hillary and bill must stand in awe and wonder listening to barry lie, he even puts them to shame and that;s doing something.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wandafaye.rigdon Wanda Faye Rigdon

    THE LIBERAL HACKS CAN TALK ALL DAY AND NIGHT ABOUT US CONSERVERITES BUT WHEN WE PUNCH THEM BACK IN THE FACE THEY WHINE LIKE LITTLE [comment edited]

  • Kate8

    Hmmmm. Speaking of that…

    People don’t want to know this stuff, and that is the reason nothing will change. As long as we continue to live within the illusion, to play the game as laid out by the elite, we will continue to head down this road of eternal turmoil…

    http://tdarkcabal.blogspot.com/

  • Palin16

    A billboard in Milwaukee with a picture of Obama reads as follows:
    “Yes, we did build that.
    You broke it.
    We’ll fix it Nov. 6
    You’re fired!”

  • Jim Mapes

    I don’t think people dieing during the Hurricane will prevent them from voting for Obama no matter what their choice would have been in life. Obama’s operatives will see to it that they get their vote… for him.

    Voter fraud should be likened to treason – incarceration, revocation of citizenship and even the firing squad.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

      Careful JIM you will be NDAAed

    • Kate8

      Jim – The corruption of our nation is complete, and it seems that treason, or even high treason, is no longer a viable complaint.

      During the mid-20th century, when the communists were infiltrating our government (and we still had statesmen who blew the whistle LOUDLY), being a communist was a treasonable offense. The commies were outed and prosecuted.

      And they swore they’d take us over from within, without firing a shot. And that they would use the democrat party to do it. (They now have taken over both parties.)

      They have also (as commies always do) stated that anyone who opposes them will be eliminated. Have you noticed how not even the Republicans will stand up to Obama… He gets a pass on the really big stuff. Not once did Romney confront him on the things that really matter. Congress won’t stand up to him. Even the SCOTUS bows to him.

      They are all guilty of treason. But they have aligned themselves with the ones holding the biggest stick (and the purse-strings) in order to cover their own behinds (and feather their own nests) against the people. And yet, we continue to vote for them, refusing to see the truth about who they are and what they do.

      They are a bunch of weasels, and they think they will be among the ruling elite. But they think wrong.

      Now our government has positioned itself to take out Americans with impunity. They’ve turned a deaf ear to our Voice, and they are working to set us up for…well, you know what communists do. Patriots are being called “terrorists”. It’s illegal to store more than 3 days worth of food and water, and Obama has declared the right to confiscate anything we have. Which means that we have NOTHING.

      The writing is on the wall, yet most will continue to deny it until their own door is kicked in.

      We are being collapsed, by design. This has always been the plan, since the beginning of the FED. Maybe before. We are completely flooded with armed gangs from Mexico, South America, China, Islamic nations, Russia… and this was purposeful, too.

      And I also just learned from a DC insider that China cut a deal with Mexico to help them bring down the USA. It is known that illegals from these countries are coming across our borders in large numbers. Our government is assisting them, because the enemy is in our WH, and has taken over. No one dares stand up for us.

      Things are far more dire than anyone will dare to see. We are all a pack of nellies, too frightened to face the truth. So we will keep on pretending until we can pretend no longer, and then it’s too late. Heck, it may already be too late.

      We all fiddle while our country burns. Except, of course, those who’ve already been hit by destruction…: fires, hurricanes, floods… and don’t think eartquakes aren’t scheduled for the imminent future. Then, of course, the hoardes of foreign death-squads will be unleashed upon hapless Americans. They’ve been conditioned to hate us, to view us as vermin.

      Sorry, folks. Call me names. But I speak the truth to you, and you will refuse to hear.

      I suggest everyone get right with whomever you look to as your God, because unless we get really serious here, most of us are about to meet Him.

      Or not.

      • Karolyn

        Just can’t wait til you have to eat crow, Kate.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – Which I would be overjoyed to do, actually.

        I sincerely hope that you are not the one dining on crow.

  • Kate8

    Is anyone else outraged that Obama has instructed his minions to riot and commit mayhem as revenge if he loses the election?

    Liberals like Bill Maher are calling for it, too.

    Aren’t these liberals the ones who are always crying “hate speech” if you even vaguely hint at violence? Where are they now? THEY ARE SUPPORTING IT.

    Obama is telling the blacks and minorities to unleash on whites if he loses. This appears to be part of the plan. If this happens, he declares martial law, and guess what, folks?

    He stays in office.

    It looks like he has no plans to leave, no matter what the outcome on Tuesday. Our lives may be about to change more radically than we thought.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/our_long_obama_nightmare_is_almost_over.html#ixzz2BGv6OiPz

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

      Scare Tactics to keep the Sheeple in line and headed to the Cliff !!! All we have is Fear itself to Fear , not these A-holes who want to Dominate your Soul and Contain your Liberty for their Specific Agenda that deals with the Idea that the Sheeple Herd is To Big for THEIR EARTH ….

      • muse1876

        I have seen where certain groups have said they will riot if Obama loses. Let them riot. Just don’t come to my house. I will have a surprise for you. These threats are tiny compared to what Obama is doing to the US.

      • Karolyn

        The quote is “All we have to fear is fear itself,” (Churchill) and never was a quote more true. There is far too much fear in this country, and in the world.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          Karolyn Obama says Vote for revenge when he ran in 2008 as the Uniter , and we should feel our rights are safe ???

          • muse1876

            Revenge is something you do against someone who has beat you.

      • Palin16

        Karolyn, FYI….it was not Churchill’s quote, it was FDR. Better go back to school.

      • Karolyn

        Palin – That is a common error. I had thought it was Roosevelt but recently came across it attributed to Churchill and someone said Roosevelt got it from Churchill. I am woman enough to admit when wrong and don’t need to be facetious.

      • Palin16

        Here’s a short videoclip of the speech:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amNpxQANk0M

    • Jeff

      Kate, you are simply INSANE!

      • Karolyn

        That’s what happens when someone is so immersed in a certain political ideology and does not give quarter to any other thoughts, facts, beliefs or possibilities. It’s called tunnel vision.

      • Kate8

        Good grief.

        If it weren’t for the patriots, the militia, and the loyal military, we’d be without hope at all with idiots like you guys running loose.

        It’s right before your eyes, and you cannot see. Your politicians are telling you straight out, but you cannot hear.

        Read history (the real version). People never heed the warnings.

      • eddie47d

        I’ve read the “real version” Kate when are you instead of those half baked conspiracies. That is not history at all but false wishes that someone wants to happen. .

      • Kate8

        Yeah, well… We all know the Leftist drill.

        When someone gets too close to the truth, they’re called ‘insane’.

        Just look at the military vets who are warning us about this administration, and are being picked up and are being held on a “mental detension”.

        I’d say I’m in good company. I’d rather be schizo than dumb, blind and stupid like you.

      • eddie47d

        When you take a minor incident and turn it into a national crises that is insane. Maybe you should be more concerned about the 30,000 women who are raped in the military instead of the one or two soldiers questioned and arrested.

      • Kate8

        eddie – LOL.

        When it’s an overt threat by liberals, it’s a minor incident.

        But if a conservative makes the vaguest hint against the Left, even in jest, it’s a national crisis and we need to give up our guns! After all, we all know that conservatives, and especially Ron Paul people, are potential terrorists.

        You people are a joke. Except it’s no longer funny.

        You are the insane ones, eddie, my boy. It is very true that liberalism is a mental disorder.

        • muse1876

          I am with you, Kate8, I will cling to my bible and my guns. When people make fun of what you have to say or that you are crazy or a nut job, perhaps you are closer to the truth and they can’t accept it.

          • Jeff

            Did I miss something? Did someone threaten K8? Was it my suggestion she steer clear of guys in white coats carrying what appear to be butterfly nets?

          • muse1876

            I believe they will be knocking on your door way before Kate8′s. The thing you are missing is an open mind.

  • Palin16

    Las Vegas culinary union tells illegal immigrants to register and vote, or face deportation:
    http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/how-many-noncitizens-are-registered-to-vote-177141441.html

  • chuckb

    kater8, if barry and the bolsheviks try anything like that, it would trigger an insurrection. there are still enough people who wouldn’t stand still for that. it might be a good thing we could clean out the government from top to bottom and send all the progressive swill to cuba or venezuela, hoiwever, i doubt if raul or hugo would stand still for that, their jobs would be in jeopardy.
    i can see it now narry and moochella in havana sitting under a coconut tree looking at the dinner menu of rice and beans. , trying to figure out how to carry their entourage on an ultra light. wouldn’t that be hilarious.

    • Kate8

      chuckb – These people have no idea what’s going on.

      Valerie Jarett has declared “It’s payback time”.

    • muse1876

      Jeff, I am not afraid. I am prepared. Why do you think all the Gov’t. agencies have been buying bullets? The gov’t. wouldn’t want to tax shells if they didn’t think they would make money. Just most gov’t. acts they finally figured out that the tax on the shell was more than the bullet. Just to let you know many people make their own bullets.

  • chuckb

    jeffy, don’t get your dander in an uproar, you can go to cuba too, hope you like beans and rice. barry and moochella might fit you in their “ultra lite one” all you little bolsheviks can sing kumbaya while sipping your coconut milk. be careful tho it may not be pasteurized.

    • Karolyn

      It doesn’t need pasteurization.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Karolyn you have not answered my question about f you think taxpayers should pay for everyones birth control ???

      • eddie47d

        Birth control is much less expensive than more welfare or even an abortion. Do you like the government paying for welfare so take your choice. Do you have a better solution or just trying to pick a fight with Karolyn?

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          Eddie47d Taxpayers should not be paying for any of these things ” IF ” the value of Education was a Moral Consideration of what True Sustainability is even in the aspects of What Liberty stand for Eddie47d you should be in favor of this !!! Plus Welfare is a result of a Failure to Enable all of society and thats the fault of Ideologues that cannot come together for the benefit of Either enabling Policy that solves this problem and those that oppose such policies because they think if all people are enabled the earth will Die , and you can see this in the Liberal Side by their support from the Environmentalists who choose earth first Principles over enabling society to take care of itself with self reliant economic Policies . And I want Karolyn to speak for her self , I think she is a Grown up person of value and doesn’t need you as her spokesperson but hey you being the ideologue you are why should any of us here think that your would mouth off over everything here ???

        • muse1876

          I got an idea. Just give the girls condoms. Just because someone become pregnant doesn’t mean they go on welfare. Of course, we do have some that keep having children so they get more money.

          Or they could keep their legs close and the guys could keep it in their pants. Make the Dads pay. Welfare makes it to easy for the men not to take responsibility.

          • Jeff

            That’s not true. Most state welfare agencies are much better at pursuing fathers for unpaid child support than are the impecunious mothers.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, All you need to do is go to YouTube to see how much money we are giving to “Welfare Queens” not my words theirs. If you watch a few, you will understand why so many are getting tired of paying for them.

          • Jeff

            How would you insure that all children, particularly those under 5, receive adequate nutrition? Tax cuts?

          • muse1876

            What did families do before Welfare? How about learning how to garden and can the veggies. Yeah I know that isn’t easy. Most canned or frozen veggies are GMO’s and children shouldn’t be eating them. Just because you give the parents the money to buy food, that doesn’t mean they will use it correctly. The parents chose what to feed their children and they usually buy alread made foods. There is no way the gov’t. can control that. I don’t want the gov’t. to control what I can and can’t eat. They won’t pass a law that says it if is a GMO’s product it needs to say so on the label. Monsanto must pay the Congress lots of money for this.

      • Karolyn

        To e perfectly honest, I don’t see how taxpayers have to pay for birth control. Doesn’t the insurance co. pay for it?

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          Karolyn the insurance Company you are mandated to pay a premium too that then turns around and with your money is mandated to provide this Birth control … This is called Totalitarianism !!!!

          • Jeff

            Do you read your insurance policy to be sure every possible medical need is covered? What if an insurance company decided to slip in an exclusion for kidney disease hidden in pages of legalese not even attorneys bother to read? Would the government forcing the company to cover such ailment also be totalitarianism or would it just be sensible regulation? In your right wing publications, do those two words ever appear in the same sentence – sensible and regulation? Really, the hyperbole in your posts is over the top!

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Jeff Consider that YOU are NOW look at as a HERD of people rather than a individual by the Medical academia as The co author of Obama care here says you are , http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/26/health/personalized-medicine-myth-reality/index.html , what if the Bureaucracy of Obamacare panelists are Influenced to screen for those Opposed to any BIG Government policies , or they become convinced that there are to many people on Earth , like they have NOW , as the past totalitarian Dictatorships did to political enemies that threatened to rally the people against their cause ? This is why allowing the power of heath care to become dictated under the realm of Politic Influence is a dangerous precedence to start ….

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Jeff what if the Bureaucracy of Obamacare panelists are Influenced to become convinced that there are to many people on Earth , like they have NOW , and this becomes your destiny ?? Ezekiel Emanuel: Deny Coverage to Elderly and Disabled for the Greater Good http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/07/26/ezekiel-emanuel-deny-coverage-to-elderly-and-disabled-for-the-greater-good.php

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF here is your destiny with a Bureaucratic ran health care system , TW Paul Krugman death panels a cost saver , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aogCaGv9i78&feature=player_embedded

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF Doctor Critiques Obamacare , you be the judge !!!
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ejbC7K0RpU&feature=youtu.be

      • Karolyn

        muse – I guess you never did read my post about the limits on welfare and on babies eligible.

        • muse1876

          I just found the link. This is great I hope all the states follow this. Now the question will become, who will pay for those who are kicked off? Are the states willing to turn their backs on them? The US needs to play hard ball. This is where the church and local food banks need to take up the slack. I can’t imagine how it is to live on welfare, so I won’t pretend that I do. I really appreciate the link.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            What we need to do is enable these People to be creatively self reliant in that we create a market that demands work from home opportunities so that Stay at home moms can work from their homes with the proper tools to enable them to be self reliant . There are parts of our free markets that could be so enabling if tax codes and grants were offered in the same venues as say what the Planned parenthood people and susan komen do

    • Jeff

      At least now we know Tommy Franks was wrong about one thing. Doug Feith wasn’t “the dumbest [comment has been edited] guy on the planet” and won’t be as long as you stay healthy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Jeff this is why Obama will lose because its hard to build a Majority of Divide and conquer supporters that have the God Given Genetics of Faith in Freedom born into them . That I believe is Gods revenge !!!!!

        • Jeff

          As usual, your “logic” escapes me. Have you actually read any of chuckb’s idiotic posts?

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Jeff it was directed at your statement as why Obama is made up of a Less than 50 % ideology of supporters like yourself , what puzzles me is did Obama teach you or did you teach Obama his Dividing Interests ???

      • chuckb

        jeffy, calm down. i’m not the dumbest guy on the planet, barrys in the white house and you are still corresponding. so i have two to go before getting the diploma.

        • Jeff

          In your town when you leave town or go in for shock therapy, does someone take over as Village Idiot or does one of your kids have to hold the throne in your place?

  • Kate8

    I’m right now listening to a militia broadcast update. People from back east are callin in, telling about what’s going on that the media is not reporting.

    Food and water is slow to come. People are homeless and it’s freezing cold. There are live electrical wires STILL lying in the streets, and people are coming to help repair them, but are being turned away because they are NON-UNION.

    A senior citizen highrise was brought food by FEMA that was contaminated. Now the seniors are suffering from food-poisoning, and deathly ill and dehydrating. Accidental? Hmmmm.

    People are reporting these and many more horror stories about what is really happening. Church relief groups are being turned away, and people are being prevented from entering their neighborhoods to go to their homes.

    And all the media reports on is about how they will be given exented opportunities to vote. It’s all about Obama’s re-election. These people are really angry. It is quite apparent to them that the government does not care at all about them. Duh.

    Disgusting.

    • muse1876

      This is how Gov’t. handles everything. If you aren’t a gov’t. agency, don’t bother helping the needy. The gov’t. wants to be your everything. Unions in NJ turned away Electricians away from AL because they weren’t union. This is why so many hate the Unions. The Unions are willing to let the cold and starving suffer longer because they turned away this help. No, they will not return to help you now. A vote for Obama is a vote to have the gov’t. in every aspect of your life.

    • g

      Sandy was haarp made by our govt. and if anything this will hurt Obama votes in NY but outside NY maybe not as the media is not reporting what is really going on.
      Google haarp Sandy & Japan and see for yourself.

      • Kate8

        g – All true. The thing is, though, that these people being given pretty much the ability to vote any way they want to leaves this wide open for tremendous voter fraud. It doesn’t matter whether they vote for Obama…huge numbers of Obama votes will turn up.

        BTW, I have to wonder why they are given internet voting if they have no power, and I read that the internet was down.

        “Never let a good crisis go to waste”.

        BTW, also, g, I live in CA and HAARP is hitting us hard. We’ve been RED for several days now, and are being warned of imminent earthquake activity.

        http://www.haarpstatus.com/status.html

        Obama is about nobody but himself. He and all of these other jerks are living high on the hog, the lap of luxury, while people are in the streets because he ordered HAARP to hit them hard.

        May they all experience what they’ve inflicted on others, times 10.

      • Karolyn

        Kate – Do you ever read any of this? How can you have balanced thinking when you only listen to one side? – HAARP Cospiracy Debunked -
        http://vandal.christogenea.org/2011/04/15/haarping-on-conspiracy-theories-debunking-haarp-myths/

      • Karolyn

        Tony – I read 2 of your articles and they are certainly not well-defined and are rather ambiguous. What do aerosals have to do with HAARP? The article on the Russians is 4 years old. The one I posted has verifiable information.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

          Karolyn Do you believe that HAARP exists in Alaska ??? Aerosols have metallic Particles that the Electromagnetic field HAARP uses to carry the Impulse on the Storm currents actually directing if you will the currents .

      • Karolyn

        Tony – I never said HAARP does not exist. I just question conspiracy theories about it. Did you read my link? I frequent several skeptics’ sites, and they generally have pretty good rebuttals againts some of the conspiracy theories. Some of them are just laughable, and as long as there are people promoting ridiculous theories, it will be harder for those that might hold merit to gain any momentum. I’m just fed up with the whole shebang.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – You, like most people, believe what you want to believe.

        You should read the book, “Angels Don’t Play this HAARP”. And it’s come a lot further since that book was written.

        The government has already admitted to HAARP and their intent to “own” the weather, including creating and steering storms and triggering earthquakes.

        Just like chemtrails, they can no longer deny it. So they admit to it. And most of what they do with it is highly classified.

        I’d like to look at the world with your rosy glasses, but I know too much. The PTB have relied on secrecy in order to keep such programs as HAARP going, and they are the ones who coined the phrases “conspiracy theorist”, “tin-foil hat”, etc. in order to ridicule and cause people to laugh and turn away from the truth.

        I’d hate to live in a state of such naivete. When you have no access to truth you have an excuse for not seeing it. To just close your eyes and ears is extremely foolish, and sad.

        And before you go off on that “create your own reality” stuff, what you miss is that, in order to create, you need the element of intent. Simply knowing about something doesn’t make it happen, because it’s already happened. Turning away from it won’t make it not so.

        You laugh at those who believe in Jesus and hold beliefs you find absurd. Well, my dear, you are doing exactly the same thing you think they are doing. You hold on to beliefs that are just simply not so.

        Belief does not make a thing true.

        • Jeff

          Is there a shred of evidence to support what you are saying? Is there one credible expert who has made a statement to this effect? Until then, it’s the province of conspiracy theorists. Do you believe anything happens without a secret conspiracy? And how is it all these conspiracies remain so secret?

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF all these things they do with HAARP are interesting and quite possibly could be used to do things we are talking about , this is on that Wikipedia Link , Some of the main scientific findings from HAARP include

            1. Generating very low frequency radio waves by modulated heating of the auroral electrojet, useful because generating VLF waves ordinarily requires gigantic antennas
            2. Generating weak luminous glow (measurable, but below that visible with a naked eye) from absorbing HAARP’s signal
            3. Generating extremely low frequency waves in the 0.1 Hz range. These are next to impossible to produce any other way, because the length of a transmit antenna is dictated by the wavelength of the signal it must emit.
            4. Generating whistler-mode VLF signals that enter the magnetosphere and propagate to the other hemisphere, interacting with Van Allen radiation belt particles along the way
            5. VLF remote sensing of the heated ionosphere

            Research at the HAARP includes

            1. Ionospheric super heating[citation needed]
            2. Plasma line observations
            3. Stimulated electron emission observations
            4. Gyro frequency heating research
            5. Spread F observations (blurring of ionospheric echoes of radio waves due to irregularities in electron density in the F layer)
            6. High velocity trace runs
            7. Airglow observations
            8. Heating induced scintillation observations
            9. VLF and ELF generation observations[5]
            10. Radio observations of meteors
            11. Polar mesospheric summer echoes (PMSE) have been studied, probing the mesosphere using the IRI as a powerful radar, and with a 28 MHz radar, and two VHF radars at 49 MHz and 139 MHz. The presence of multiple radars spanning both HF and VHF bands allows scientists to make comparative measurements that may someday lead to an understanding of the processes that form these elusive phenomena.
            12. Research on extraterrestrial HF radar echos: the Lunar Echo experiment (2008).[6][7]
            13. Testing of Spread Spectrum Transmitters (2009)
            14. Meteor shower impacts on the ionosphere
            15. Response and recovery of the ionosphere from solar flares and geomagnetic storms
            16. The effect of ionospheric disturbances on GPS satellite signal quality

          • Jeff

            And there’s CREDIBLE (i.e not the NY Post) authority that says it can create storms the size of Sandy?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

        Weather modification and law

        US and Canada agreement

        In 1975, the US and Canada entered into an agreement under the auspices of the United Nations for the exchange of information on weather modification activity.

        1977 UN Environmental Modification Convention

        Main article: Environmental Modification Convention

        Weather modification, particularly hostile weather warfare, was addressed by the “United Nations General Assembly Resolution 31/72, TIAS 9614 Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques” was adopted. The Convention was: Signed in Geneva May 18, 1977; Entered into force October 5, 1978; Ratification by U.S. President December 13, 1979; U.S. ratification deposited at New York January 17, 1980.

        US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

        In the US, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration keeps records of weather modification projects on behalf of the Secretary of Commerce, under authority of Public Law 92-205, 15 USC § 330B, enacted in 1971.

        Proposed US Legislation

        2005 U.S. Senate Bill 517 and U.S. House Bill 2995 U.S. Senate Bill 517 and U.S.

        House Bill 2995 were two bills proposed in 2005 that would have expanded experimental weather modification, to establish a Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and implemented a national weather modification policy. Neither were made into law. Former Texas State Senator John N. Leedom was the key lobbyist on behalf of the weather modification bills.

        2007 U.S. Senate Bill 1807 & U.S. House Bill 3445 Senate Bill 1807 and House Bill 3445, identical bills introduced July 17, 2007, proposed to establish a Weather Mitigation Advisory and Research Board to fund weather modification research.

        Future aspirations

        Climatologists have simulated hurricane control based on selective heating and cooling (or prevention of evaporation). Futurist John Smart has discussed the potential for weather control via space-based solar power networks. One proposal involves the gentle heating via microwave of portions of large hurricanes. Such chaotic systems may be susceptible to “side steering” with a few degrees of increased temperature/pressure at critical points. A sufficient network might keep the largest and most potentially damaging hurricanes from landfall, at the request of host nations.

        Blizzards, monsoons, and other extreme weather are also potential candidates for space-based amelioration. If large-scale weather control were to become feasible, potential negative implications may include:

        Unintended side effects, especially given the chaotic nature of weather development.

        Damage to existing ecosystems.

        Health risks to humans.

        Equipment malfunction or accidents.

        Malevolent control or use as a weapon.
        ELF hot spots causing slightly accelerated ionospheric depletion by solar wind.

        For the 2008 Olympics, China had 30 airplanes, 4,000 rocket launchers, and 7,000 anti-aircraft guns to stop rain. Each system would shoot various chemicals into any threatening clouds to shrink rain drops before they reach the stadium.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haarp

      • Kate8

        Jayson – You have got to be kidding.

        We know all about the laws and treaties that have been made regarding weather warfare. That alone says that they can do it, doesn’t it.

        At any rate, these treaties have not been honored any more than the nuclear proliferation treaties, or the biological warfare treaties, torture treaties, or any other. They do things simply because they can, operating in as much secrecy as possible.

        People in power don’t abide by laws. They consider themselves above laws. They only matter to people like you who think they mean something.

        So, just what is your point?

        BTW, CA has been under HAARP attack for several days now. We are in the RED zone on the HAARP monitor map. It’s November and it is not only not cold, but has been especially warm for several days now. I live in an area that gets very cold winters.

        We can feel the effects of it, too. Animals are acting strange. Everyone is tense.

        The east cost is still RED, too, and they’re being hit with a freezing noreastern.

        Wake up, people.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

        Kate8 says: So, just what is your point?

        My point was that the technology can be used for ill or for good. I was actually supporting your claim that it is being used for ill, Kate8!

      • Kate8

        Jayson – I apologize for jumping the gun on this.

        It was late, I was tired, and I failed to read your post thoroughly. I made the erroneous assumption that you were saying that, because there were laws, it wasn’t being done.

        I reread your post this a.m. and see that I was in error.

        Thank you for it. And please, accept my humble apology.

      • Kate8

        Map of known HAARP locations around the world.

        As you can see, they have created a grid. By sending frequency waves from one location to another, they can generate a great deal of geological stress. You can also see how they’ve lined up the west coast.

        http://americankabuki.blogspot.com.au/

        Experiments (and even accidental ones) have gotten big responses from small frequency bursts of certain wavelengths. You can thus see how large, directed, purposeful pulsing of high intensity waves could cause major upheavals wherever directed.

      • Kate8
      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

        No apologies necessary, Kate8. I too, have been guilty of jumping the gun on a number of occasions. Cheers!

  • Palin16

    A blonde is flying in a two-seater airplane with just the pilot.
    The pilot has a heart attack and dies. She, frantic, calls out a May Day.
    “May Day! May Day! Help me! Help me! My pilot had a heart attack and is dead.
    And I don’t know how to fly. Help me! Please help me!”
    She hears a voice over the radio saying:

    “This is Air Traffic Control and I have you loud and clear. I will talk you through this and get you back on the ground. I’ve had a lot of experience with this kind of problem.
    ‘Now, just take a deep breath. Everything will be fine! Now give me your height and position.”
    She says, “I’m 5’4″ and I support Obama.”
    “O.K.” says the voice on the radio….
    “Repeat after me: Our Father. . Who art in Heaven. . . ..”

    • Matrix

      Palin 16

      President BARACK OBAMA was invited to address a major
      gathering of the American Indian Nation two weeks ago in
      upstate New York ..

      He spoke for almost an hour about his plans for increasing
      every Native American’s present standard of living. He referred
      to his time as a U.S. Senator and how he had voted for every
      Native American issue that came to the floor of the Senate.

      Although President Obama was vague about the details of his
      plans, he seemed most enthusiastic and spoke eloquently about
      his ideas for helping his, “Red sisters and brothers”.

      At the conclusion of his speech, the Tribes presented Obama
      with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name, “Walking Eagle”.

      The proud President Obama accepted the plaque and then
      departed in his motorcade to a fundraiser, waving to the crowds.

      A news reporter later asked the group of chiefs how they came
      to select the new name they had given to the President.

      They explained that “Walking Eagle” is the name given to a bird
      so full of [expletive deleted] it can no longer fly.

    • Matrix

      Palin 16

      President BARACK OBAMA was invited to address a major
      gathering of the American Indian Nation two weeks ago in
      upstate New York ..

      He spoke for almost an hour about his plans for increasing
      every Native American’s present standard of living. He referred
      to his time as a U.S. Senator and how he had voted for every
      Native American issue that came to the floor of the Senate.

      Although President Obama was vague about the details of his
      plans, he seemed most enthusiastic and spoke eloquently about
      his ideas for helping his, “Red sisters and brothers”.

      At the conclusion of his speech, the Tribes presented Obama
      with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name, “Walking Eagle”.

      The proud President Obama accepted the plaque and then
      departed in his motorcade to a fundraiser, waving to the crowds.

      A news reporter later asked the group of chiefs how they came
      to select the new name they had given to the President.

      They explained that “Walking Eagle” is the name given to a bird
      so full of crap it can no longer fly.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Obama wants the USA to be like France and I guess he has his wish ???

        Proposed gay marriage law divides France
        http://news.msn.com/world/proposed-gay-marriage-law-divides-france

        • Jeff

          Why make an issue of gay marriage? If you’re not gay, don’t marry another man. By focusing on such issues, you turn yourself into a dinosaur. To young people, gay marriage is a non-issue. In ten years, people will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF again thank you for staying on message

    • Matrix

      Palin 16

      true story

    • sam1966

      Palin16 and Matrix: D’oh! :-) FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

      Palin16,

      Please pray this prayer from now until November 7

      We have to pray from now to November 7:

      “When he (o’homobama) is judged, LET HIM BE FOUND GUILTY, and LET HIS PRAYER BECOME SIN. LET HIS DAYS BE FEW, and LET ANOTHER (Romney) TAKE HIS OFFICE.” (Psalm 109:7, 8) Amen.

      SAVE AMERICA !!! Stalinism is marching.

  • James Corbin

    People who plan to vote for Obama, should Google Obama’s 50 lies and pay close attention to number 7 and number 11. But read them all!!!

  • Kate8

    muse – While we find it astonishing that there are so many who can see what the government is doing… Things like passing laws which attempt to invalidate our Constitution and Bill of Rights (NDAA, the Patriot Act, Obamacare…)…

    Destroying our private businesses and our economy, devastating and emasculating our military, sending our industries overseas, destroying our food production and shipping off our food supply to foreign places… passing laws to restrict personal food storage and outlaw home gardens…

    Villifying half of the country (conservatives, Christians and anyone who has standards of morality)…Inciting racial hatreds…

    Buying tons of high-powered ammuntion, arming our enemies and opening the floodgates for them to stream into our country unhindered; detaining our military veterans, declaring those who are Constitutionalists “terrorists”… heck, the infractions are too numerous to list here…

    Issuing EO after EO, bypassing Congress…, working to confiscate our guns, setting up false flag events to justify their further infringement on our rights (not to mention callously killing our citizens)… And then there is the issue of Obama claiming the right to kill anyone he chooses for any reason, and doing it on a regular basis…

    Launching drones all over our country, armed with surveillance cameras and lethal weapons…

    You get the drift.

    Anyway, these clueless ones can see these things and still be in denial that ANYTHING IS GOING ON. WTH? What on Earth does it take to wake them up?

  • http://yahoo.com Rose Marie

    I always enjoy, “The Great Eight.” We need a laugh in our world to balance the illogical thinking that the Progressives push for.

  • sam1966

    Here is something funny about how the lib/progs will do things.

    http://www.conservativevideos.com/2012/11/grandpa-voted-democrat-by-ray-stevens/

    FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

    You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • sam1966

      Here is what our founding fathers ment by all men are created equal. Not the way the lib/prog/secular/atheists say.

      http://www.americanvision.org/6227/were-the-founding-fathers-egalitarians-what-did-they-mean-by-all-men-are-created-equal/

      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

      You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Jeff

        They meant only men and only White Anglo Saxon men who owned property. No fake samurais, no lowly school teachers, no women, no minorities. We should accept their judgments in every way because they were inspired by God, correct?

        • sam1966

          SSDD, eh Jeffy? Never pass up a chance to attack our founding principles and the faith of our founding fathers, eh Jeffy? Don’t you think that it is time for you to stop spreading the revisionist history lies and tell the truth for once? I have an idea, here are 2 questions for you to answer, not with revisionist or atheist view of our history.

          1. What does the image of Moses holding the 10 Commandments at the entrance to the Supreme Court represent?
          2. Why did the makers of the Liberty Bell insribe Leviticus 25:10 onto the Liberty Bell?

          My high school students know this, but I’ll bet you don’t. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • sam1966

        Here is something we can learn from a Cuban immigrant.

        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/7228/a-lesson-about-obama-from-a-cuban-immigrant/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • sam1966

        Wrong, wrong, wrong Jeffy. Show me where race is mentioned in my article. I didn’t think so. Sheesh! It didn’t take long for you to rear you ugly head. In fact, here is something about you and your ilk.

        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/7244/freedom-from-religion-foundation-little-more-than-a-hate-group/

        Need to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • Jeff

          I’m not talking about your article. I’m talking about what the founders meant by “all men are created equal.” They didn’t mean women, and they didn’t mean men of color (Blacks, Asians, Indians), and they didn’t even include White Men without property.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Obama over and Over said that Based off the US Constitution following the framers rule of law based on the Unalienable rights under the Bill of Rights the Health care mandate would be deemed a FEE on the American People , then the Supreme Court ruled it to be Legal Under the Constitution as a Tax , so JEFF based on your assessment that the Framers US Constitution is bias towards Whites what is your prognosis of the Ruling against the Presidents assessment of Obamacare being a FEE under the Walking Eagle guise ???

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            And JEFF if Obamacare is to be taken seriously as should all Health CARE issues should be if the rules are wrote ( They were not wrote at the time the Bill was Voted on ) how do we take serious a Bill that was drafted and passed as an extension of the WHITE bias US Constitution that has because a symbol of confusion that is being defined as the days and weeks go by as a Walking Eagle Storm ?

          • Jeff

            One could ALMOST take your specious question seriously but for the grammatical error in the first sentence that no one who’s been through 8th grade would make.

            Your question assumes the Supreme Court’s ruling and reasoning are correct. I don’t think Obama agrees with the reasoning. The Supreme Court is not final because its judgments are infallible; it’s infallible because it’s final.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Good for you JEFF I am glad you kept on Message !

          • muse1876

            You know you are getting to the liberal mind when all he has to give back is how you spell or the way your sentences are constructed. They refuse to see the facts.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            RIGHT ON MUSE !!!!! These Guys are trained well to be the MINIONS they are . At least we conservatives are true to Our cause of What LIBERTY MEANS and will defend it LIBERALLY and thats about as far as crossing over to their side I will go to help the fellow American out !!!!!!

          • muse1876

            I am with you. I don’t mind helping anyone as long as they are trying. As a tax payer I am your boss, you don’t want to work to better yourself, I will take my money and move on to someone who really wants a leg up and on support for life.

          • Jeff

            If by trained you mean I went to school and learned how to think and analyze a problem, yes I’m “trained.” You guys live in such a bubble you think anyone who doesn’t share your little conspiracy theories is paid by someone. How could anyone legitimately disagree with such reasonable fellows. You believe in helping certain people in the abstract. You’ve just never met a government program designed to help anyone that you’ve liked. How convenient!

          • muse1876

            I believe that I don’t want my medical records available to the IRS. Tell me what my fair share of the tax burden should be? Tell me why you want to take what I have worked for and give to the people that don’t want to do anything except sit on their asses eating Bon Bons and watching TV. SS is great, but I don’t believe that SS is going to be there forever. If you think SS is the saviour of the elderly, your are wrong. Right now with the interest rates being so low they aren’t making any money. So keeping the interest rates low is harming the elderly. You talk about living in a bubble. Do you honestly believe that late term abortion of a living baby is okay? The next step is when are you going to start killing the elderly because they are not as useful. Why don’t we decide that only liberal talk is allowed? How much fun would that be talking to yourself. Also on the abortion issue that the liberals love to express, do you ask the man if he wants the child if the mother doesn’t?

          • Jeff

            As to your last question about the father taking the child if the mother doesn’t want it, that may be a good idea. It may even be the law in some states. But it doesn’t override the privacy right the woman is recognized to have in her own body. Now, once you get beyond the time frame protected by Roe, I don’t see why a policy like that couldn’t be implemented. Practically, I don’t know how much difference it will make because generally the guys who would take the baby would be those in a relationship with the girl. But I’m sure there are at least a few who would do so.

            No, I don’t like the idea of late term abortion nor does anyone else. And there’s nothing wrong with opposing viewpoints although you wouldn’t know it from reading some of these posts. At least with the abortion issue, I can see the basis of the “pro-life” position though I find it ironic how little interest the pro-lifers have in the fetus once it becomes a baby.

            No one is talking about killing off old people because they’re not productive although that would be the effect of the free market policies advocated by the Republicans. Why was Social Security and then Medicare instituted? It was in response to a problem and has worked quite well to provide a minimal level of income to senior citizens. It was never designed to take the place of a well-funded retirement. The fact you could get better returns in the market is not a reason to do it. If people can privately invest their social security funds, some per centage will invest poorly or will be unlucky. Will that figure be 10% or 50% or more? I don’t know, but it will be a lot of people. The essence of social security is “security,” not high returns.

            We are way beyond the time when you could pretend to be Clint Eastwood living on the range independent of society. We live in societies for a reason. People rely on one another and sometimes that means collective action. If all you focus on is tax cuts, you are ignoring some of the important functions of government – education and providing for the common good. I think the common good includes making some provision for those who don’t succeed in the marketplace so they don’t end up homeless.

          • muse1876

            So it wouldn’t bother you for your wife to kill your baby without you knowing even if the child could live outside the womb? Evidently, there were enough people that thought late term abortion was okay. I don’t know how anyone could kill their own flesh and blood wether it be the size of a pea, or all grown up. My brain just can’t comput that.

            I and many like me are of the mind set that I was not born for you take care of me from cradle to grave. I have responsibility for my life. I don’t think everyone on welfare should be on welfare. Can you imagine if we as a country go like Greece how many people would die because there isn’t going to be a check next week. Can you imagine the terror in the streets, can you imagine the crimes that would be comitted. I know not all people would that hateful. When all of a sudden there is no more to give, people will do whatever they have to survive.

            People have to have skin in the game to care about the outcome. Giving is great, but don’t expect me to be your main supply of food and money.

            My brother and his wife were teachers so I know that isn’t a great job as it was years ago. I love teachers, I hate bad teachers that are allowed to teach when they don’t deserve to. If there is a bad teacher, then lets fire them. They aren’t doing our children any good. That is what riles me on Unions. You can’t get rid of the bad you just have to settle that the bad is going to stay no matter what. Is that fair to the ones who love their jobs?

            If I had a choice, I would take a certain % of SS and invest. If I made the wrong choices, then that is my responsibility. We just can’t keep making others pay for our mistakes. Your family, friends, Church and community are the ones that should help. Why should I expect you to pay for my choices. If I knew that was the way it was going to be, why would I have dreams to do better?

            In the end we will take care of each other. No one is going to let someone starve, but lets not just make it so easy to stay on dole.

      • BR549

        Sam, re: the Cuban Immigrant, today that “silent takeover” is called AGENDA21. It has been around, specifically, since the tenure of Papa (read that as traitorous globalist) Bush in 1992, but is merely one more completed step in the globalists’ plan for total world control ……. whether we are ready for it, or need it, or not. It has nothing to do with the evolution of humanity, only the preservation of those in power. It flies in total contradiction to the efforts of our founding fathers.

      • Kate8

        jeff – At the time of our founding, those establishing our system were using the mores of the time, which were much the same everywhere as far as rights for women and blacks. Both women and (for that matter) all races were used as slaves in various countries (not just the US). (Muslims have always captured whites to use as slaves and concubines. They STILL do today.)

        You cannot fault people for their conditioned thinking then, anymore than you can blame people for being brainwashed now.

        The point is, they set up a system where wrongs could be made right and adapted to the needs of the day. But it was a system that required careful deliberation and consideration, unlike the liberal idea that the SCOTUS or POTUS can just decide to re-interpret the Constitution on a whim, or throw it out altogether. It required Amendments, and those injustices were, in fact made right.

        You liberals are so hypocritical in your carrying on about subjugation of women and minorities in our early days. Today, you work to subjugate everyone to your ways of thinking, plundering and forcing us all to comply to YOUR form of bondage.

        Welfare is criminal. It is never to HELP anyone. It is to subjugate them, because that is how politicians gain power. If no one needs them, they have no power.

        It’s the oldest trick in the book, and lazy people never figure it out.

        • Jeff

          I find it interesting that the article talked only about the Declaration which has no force of law as opposed to the Constitution. God is not in the Constitution and the separation of Church and State is a bit clearer. Of course it’s a question of interpretation and our interpretation may differ from that of the founders. What matters is the language of the founders and not their social attitudes. There are portions of the Constitution that are quite specific; there are others that are necessarily left to interpretation. Anytime words like “reasonable” or “cruel and unusual” are used, interpretation is essential. Guess what? What may have been reasonable or normal in 1790 may not be so in 2012!

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF guess what they have not but only started to fill in the blanks as Pelosi said they had to pass it before they could see what was in it which is now being filled in so your NO Force claim is false because they still can FORCE YOU to do whatever they want and claim its a tax because the Supreme Court said so !!! My GOD says TRUTH will SET you FREE and Our Constitution is all about the truth so even though you divide the 2 they are together for the betterment of mankind , and the only time I see that effort in the Liberals is during election season !!!!!!!

          • Jeff

            No offense, but your post makes no sense whatever.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, You want to be chained to the gov’t. You don’t want to take any responsibility for any part of your life.

          • muse1876

            I declare you the winner. Truth is the best policy.

          • muse1876

            I don’t think cruel and unusual would change over the decades? What do you find was cruel in the 1790′s?

      • sam1966

        Wrong, wrong, wrong Jeffy. Separation of church and state is not mentioned in any of our founding documents, which had every incriment coming directly from the Bible. Like James Madison got his idea for our 3 branches of government from Isaiah 33:22. Only some simpleton twit would say separation of church and state. Need to go back and learn our history. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

        • Jeff

          The phrase is not found, but the sentiment is present in the First Amendment, and we are not left to wonder about its meaning as Thomas Jefferson eloquently elucidated its meaning in 1802:

          “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Jeff Speaking Thomas Jefferson isn’t it Ironic that while Obama won’t call the Jihad Movement terrorism and is actually saying they have won the war on terror and is planning Shrinking the Navy , its was because of Muslim Pirates that the Navy was Started by Thomas Jefferson to counter the Jihad of Muslim Pirates ???? http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/jefferson.asp

          • Jeff

            I suppose it could be, but irony might require that the Navy be destroyed by pirates. That seems unlikely. Our Navy, even if shrunk, is unchallenged. One aircraft carrier can do what it used to take several to do. One nuclear submarine has enough warheads to destroy many cities. I don’t believe we have any problem with defense and certainly not on the high seas. China has an aircraft carrier they can’t land planes on. Maybe we should double the defense budget to meet that threat.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            But Jeff to let Iran propagate their Nuclear Ambitions which would be a destabilizing event in the free market pricing of OIL , this is a Long term Goal of the Obama Minions and he himself , that would be a devastating effect on everyone with Fingers on triggers of Nukes , a standoff that a Jihadist is going to pull ……

          • Jeff

            Hasn’t Iranian oil already been removed from the world market due to sanctions? So, the price effects are already there, accounting, at least in part, for the current price of oil.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Oh Please sanctions causing Iran pain what a Bunch of BS , they can say it but it is just a Ploy to deflect attention ….. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/30/us-china-iran-syria-idUSBRE82T0D420120330

          • Jeff

            The world’s a complicated place and nothing works perfectly, but to say sanctions aren’t hurting Iran would be a stretch. And your suggestion would be? How about a Cheney-style invasion (“as liberators”) – the one thing that would cause the Iranian people to support the Mullahs?

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Jeff the way Obama is handling foreign Policy in the Region is enough to make the Iranians support the Mullahs …..

          • Jeff

            But no suggestions? You just know Obama must be doing something wrong? Didn’t Romney agree with Obama on everything? Of course, Romney’s lips were moving so he was probably lying? Tony, WTF do you propose with respect to Iran or do you just like calling Obama names?

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Obama has failed to lead in Iran. They are closer to the bomb. Do you believe that he has to gonads to take out Iran’s nuclear facilities? I don’t think he does, but what is worse Iran doesn’t think he would.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF don’t you think the real problem with Iran might be the Source for Nuke Materials they are getting these resources from is the same supplier that Obama is Caught with an Open Mic opps moment saying ” I will Be More Flexible after I am reelected ?? No Wonder Iran is not only faking the pain of sanctions which Obama is exploiting as a Success but we see no real achievements in foreign policy at all as we have seen with Libyan back stabling resulting from a Appeasing Policy ?? Name Calling , Common JEFF who has BEEN making up names ?? Hint Romnesia …. Plus CBS decides to release more on Libya a day before the election … How convenient for Obama God Forgive you JEFF for not being a supporter of Individual Liberty and a enabling economic Policy that will accomplish this !!! http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/11/05/what-president-obama-really-said-60-minutes-interview-about-benghazi

          • muse1876

            Maybe Obama needs to bow down some more.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, So you do approve of Romney giving more drilling permits so we don’t have to rely on the ME for our oil? Don’t tell me the lie that Obama has said that under him we have produced more oil than ever before. Obama fails to tell the truth, again, that oil production is up on PRIVATE land only. Just a few links on bio-diesel and our military. Just think Obama wants to cut the military costs. We can start cutting with the $26.00 a gal bio-diesel.

            http://www.examiner.com/article/navy-to-run-on-26-per-gallon-bio-diesel

            http://www.washingtonguardian.com/green-fleet-furor

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Do you honestly think that we are the strongest in the world? Other countries are adding to their arsenal. We are cutting. Do you believe that Russia is sticking to the arms deal? You said it yourself one nuclear sub and do a country in, we aren’t the only country that has that power. Other countries have leaders that have gonads and the desire to keep their country safe. I have never seen anyother leader invite terrorists into the people house.

            http://www.businessinsider.com/report-russian-nuclear-submarine-within-200-miles-of-the-east-coast-when-sandy-hit-2012-11

            http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-countries-with-largest-armies-map.html

          • muse1876

            I was surprised when I first heard this years ago. Muslims will never be happy until they take over every country and then they will continue to kill other Muslims because that is what they do.

          • Jeff

            And they like to eat blonde-haired children, too!

          • muse1876

            Jeff, You stupidy is astounding. No they like like to rape and kill “whites”. It is sad that I and many other get some of their news from forgein countries. All you have to do is dig a little
            and take at least one of your eyes out of the samd

            http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/crimes/26-10-2012/122599-oksana_makar_rape_ukraine-0/

          • Jeff

            Who, exactly, is “they”? All Muslims? Soldiers? You cannot continue to tar a billion people with the actions of zealots unless you are irretrievably stupid. Despite your best efforts, we will have a president who is infinitely wiser than you. “John Wayne” diplomacy may make you feel good sitting in Mom’s basement, but in the real world, we have to find a way to co-exist peacefully.

          • muse1876

            Evidently you don’t search other sites but liberal. Go the BNI.com and explore their site.

          • muse1876

            Sentiment changes depending what time of day it is.

          • Jeff

            ?????

        • Jeff

          Are you really that didactic and inflexible in the classroom? I still can’t believe someone as sarcastic and opinionated as you can be a teacher.

        • Jeff

          Here’s something else you can say is wrong, wrong, wrong. You can even put it on the dart board in your classroom and have Jesus throw darts at it:

          25 reasons from 25 people who are voting Obama:

          1. “The Affordable Care Act is saving my daughter’s life.”
          Stacey, Arizona

          2. “Obama is for the vets. He helped us wind down in Iraq, he’s improved mental health policy with VA benefits.”
          Joel, Minnesota

          3. “Obama stuck his neck out for us, the auto industry. He wasn’t going to let it just die, and I’m driving in this morning because of that, because of him.”
          Brian, Ohio

          4. “Osama bin Laden is dead, and General Motors is alive.”
          Joe Biden, Delaware

          5. “Supreme Court Supreme Court Supreme Court.”
          Andrew, California

          6. “Arithmetic.”
          Bill Clinton, New York

          7. “He cares for the 100 percent.”
          Shana, Texas

          8. “When Obama came into office, he successfully renewed our country’s place in the community of nations, making cooperation in tackling the world’s challenges possible.”
          Willis, North Carolina

          9. “The actions he has taken with respect to protecting us from terrorism have been very, very solid.”
          Colin Powell, Virginia

          10. “I was really very grateful to him for standing up for those kids who are having a really rough time out there because of their orientation.”
          Jane Lynch, California

          11. “For me, President Obama is our best choice because he has a vision of the United States as a place where we are all in this together.”
          Bruce Springsteen, New Jersey

          12. “He has a real plan for rescuing the economy that passes the ‘math’ test.”
          Teresa, Virginia

          13. “Having someone in office who understands how powerful our voice can be is very important.”
          Jay Z, New York

          14. “I am voting for Barack Obama and Joe Biden because I can trust them to care for the middle class and restore the American dream.”
          Steven, Florida

          15. “The first measure he signed into law after becoming president was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act — so a female high school counselor or physical education teacher can fight for equal pay for equal work.”
          Connie Britton, California

          16. “I believe in the America he wants for my grandchildren.”
          Nancy, Michigan

          17. “We need four more years of repair, of helping the middle class achieve a sustainable economy.”
          James Taylor, North Carolina

          18. “I’ve watched him fight for our country, stand by the middle class, the working class, the military, the education of our children, universal health care, women, the environment, and matters of national and domestic security.”
          Susan, Virginia

          19. “The gifted 12-year-old I taught, whose parents were deported and left her here with her grandmother, will be allowed to stay and finish her education. She’s been in the U.S. since age one.”
          Jamie, North Carolina

          20. “I want our president to place scientific evidence and risk management above electoral politics.”
          Michael Bloomberg, New York

          21. “I have four children who are under 26 and able to stay on my health care plan. That’s been huge.”
          Amy, Pennsylvania

          22. “He’s fighting to defend and better Social Security and Medicare — because millions of Latino seniors rely on them.”
          Cristina Saralegui, Florida

          23. “Thanks to the President’s efforts to keep student loan rates low, I can expect to save nearly $1000 as I work to repay my student loans. And I don’t have too many of those, thanks to the Federal Pell Grant program.”
          Sam, Minnesota

          24. “It’s been wonderful to have President Obama as a champion for access to health care for all women in this country.”
          Cecile Richards, New York

          25. “Re-electing Barack Obama would lead to a stronger economic recovery than would be the case were Mitt Romney to win on November 6th.”
          Jared Bernstein, Washington, D.C.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Do you have links to prove each these statements? Each side has stories that are for their views. Did you know, for instance, that a senior citizen can have as much as 15% of their benefit taken to pay for student loans that they have made or have signed for? Don’t Unions fight for the pay of teachers? Obama has not helped “his” people it he did he would get them jobs and off welfare. Obama’s “people” depends on which way the wind blows.

          • Jeff

            Those were statements made by 25 people, some well known, some not. I don’t need to agree with or support any of them. It was meant to annoy that fake Samurai and his holier than thou nonsense.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Are you saying that some of this list is just more BS?

          • Jeff

            Make of it what you will.

      • Kate8

        jeff – LOL. Of course, if you ask 100 mindless liberals who they think is better they will choose a democrat, be it Obama or any other. As long as he/she sports a D after the name, that’s all that counts.

        As a conservative and you’ll get an opposite response.

        The reasons given are all BS. We all know how much Obama and Moosie care about people. Watch what they do, not what they say. Like spending millions on a week-end jaunt while people in America are starving and homeless. Oh yeah, they care so much.

        No president or Congress member is going to get rid of any kind of “entitlement”, regardless of which side they’re on. These are the very things which keep them in power, and to eliminate them would be political suicide in this lazy, entitlement-mind society.

        I mean, after all, Obama is the one who has been threatening social security, wanting to make the military buy their own insurance, and regulating business out of existence so all of our jobs are disappearing. On top of that, he supports Agenda 21 (but so do they all, but I digress), and has come right out and said that electricity will “necessarily skyrocket”, which is has, and will… so only he and his rich pals will stay warm and fed.

        Yep. He really cares all right. I mean, after all… he gives blacks free phones!

    • BR549

      sam1966 stated @ November 4, 2012 at 11:22 pm
      “FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! …. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.”

      Can’t make it any plainer than that, although I might suggest that the “fear” part was for stubborn ignorant fools who needed to fear God because they could never surrender their egos long enough to realize we had a loving God.

      Those poor individuals, alas, live in fear from the day they’re born, having so little faith, even in spite of their claimed religious convictions, that not having come to peace with their own mortality haunts them every day they are alive ………. and then they continue to breed and vote. And those are the people, those voters, those sheeple, that the two major parties are counting on for support.

      Anyway, I liked your post; I’ll hold on to that one. :o)

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Between the MSM and Obama on matters Important to the nation is their Conduct for Love of Country ???

        What President Obama really said in that ’60 Minutes’ interview about Benghazi

        Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/11/05/what-president-obama-really-said-60-minutes-interview-about-benghazi/#ixzz2BMQ31IIe

      • sam1966

        To fear God means to honor, respect, and worship Him, not be shaking in your boots 24/7. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • BR549

          Sam, while I agree with you, I would still suggest that those individuals who haven’t yet reached a state where they are able to tolerate or respect other people on their own paths, these people actually NEED to have a God to fear as long as they remain in that immature state.

          This isn’t exactly adhering to the topic at hand, but it’s an interesting discussion and I have enjoyed your input. :o)

          • Jeff

            It’s not input; it’s a bumper sticker!

      • Kate8

        People seem to make much out of the idea of “fearing” God, but to put this in its proper light…

        My dad was the most loving, kind, honorable man I ever knew, and I loved him dearly. Not only that, but I respected him, and I definitely “feared” crossing him. His patience was great, but not infinite… and his corrections were known to be out of love.

        Any loving father will move to keep his child on the right path, because that IS the loving thing to do. Especially our Heavenly Father.

        • muse1876

          Kat8, Great post.

  • http://www.facebook.com/h.john.massey H John Massey

    Lighten up folks, Where is your sense of humor? Oh you can only laugh at Romney jokes? All this proves is that truth can still be funny. Learn to laugh, learn to love, learn to live. No heed for the hate and name calling. Thank God, this is still a free Nation, we still have freedom of choice. Go practice that tomorrow. VOTE!

  • jopa

    There was a post on here saying Romney created jobs, however they were in China mostly for One dollar a day salary.When he was governor he was 47th out of 50 in job creation.Some jobs that were helped along by Romney stateside were at places like Staples that pay minimum wage without benefits.Then someone went on to save the Olympics but what he did was lobby Congress and they gave him millions of dollars in your money.The only charity he gives to is the Mormon Church and nothing else.The Mormons are for Mormons nobody else.The guy is just having visions of grandeur and thinks he should be the King of all the peasants in these United States.

    • muse1876

      Mormons are for Mormons only? Are you honestly that stupid. Is Baptists for Baptists only or Catholics for Catholics only, or Jews for Jews only? You paint with a broad brush. How do you know Romney only gives the the Church? Why do you care who he gave to. Who did Obama give to? He sat for 20 years supporting Rev. Wright, but when Obama got in a hard place he put him under the bus. If you believe that Obama didn’t listen to Wright you are so very wrong. Obama has made ZERO jobs. Our unemployment is higher than when he came into office. Obama has a vision of America as well, put more and more on the welfare. Keep them on the public dole and they will vote for you forever. People don’t have to work at Staples that Bain doesn’t own and Romney doesn’t work there. Why did Obama hire the CEO of GE to be the Jobs Czar, he has sent a vast majority of jobs over to China. Is that okay because Obama chose him? Romney gave his pay from the Olympic to charity? You just said all Romney had to do was to lobby Congress for the money. Obama can’t get anything out of Congress,even his budget that everyone voted against. You are somewhere in lala land. Obama is very happy to keep his people on the on the public dole he can’t afford for them to become educated.

      • Karolyn

        Do some research muse. mormons are much like Jehovah’s Witnesses and are most apt to only help those of their same religion. I learned about this after being tutored by some Mormons and then doing my own research on them.

        • muse1876

          I know that their religion is considered a cult. The JW the thing with that religion, if I remember is that 144 thousand of them are going to heaven. I may be wrong. Islam is one religion I can even pretend to accept. I just don’t go for beheading, honor killing etc., etc. That is not a religion to me. I don’t even know what bracket to put them in, except a hate group.

      • Kate8

        muse – The libs keep harping about Romney being Mormon (which I’m not altogether comfortable with, either, as I have lived among many Mormons), while they completely ignore that Obama panders mainly to Muslims and our enemies.

        This world has gone insane. Who would ever have thought, even a dacade ago, that so much of our population would turn on Christians and conservative patriots, even to the point of legislating against them. It’s bad enough that they are so villified in the media. And Muslims are welcomed with open arms!

        • muse1876

          Kate8, I don’t care what your religions is, as long as you don’t care what mine is. The only religion I have hate for is Islam and I am sure everyone know why.

          I have noticed that no liberal will come back and blast the fact that Obama invited the terrorists to our house. Since they are like crickets on this, I am supposing that they think it is okayl

          Kate, I am hoping that this election will turn the tide to sanity. Who has children hoping that they will not do better than them? When our freedom of speech is taken, we are done for. The man that made the video that Obama and others blamed Benghazi on, is perp walked for all to see. He did nothing when he made that video. I understand he had a warrent for his arrest for something else. Obama and his minions put a bullseye on this man and his family.

        • Jeff

          K8, you ignorant slut! How can anyone maintain a dialog with someone who says something so idiotic? It would be the equivalent of my saying Bush sacrificed all those soldiers so Halliburton could have a couple of good years. It might be unfair but it’s closer to the truth than your nonsense about Obama and the Muslims. It’s the good thing about being a moronic blogger, K8. You have no responsibility to be accurate in any way.

          • muse1876

            Why do you degrade yourself and call people names? How close do you want him stand with them? I believe you are the one with your head in the sand.

            In “Audacity of Hope” he writes: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” The quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

            http://thetruthwins.com/archives/10-quotes-by-barack-obama-about-islam-contrasted-with-10-quotes-by-barack-obama-about-christianity

          • Jeff

            Because there’s no other way to talk to someone who purposely says things designed to mislead. When Obama made that statement, he was not signing up with Islam in the coming jihad against Christianity, although that’s gospel on Fox News. He was saying nothing more than the famous Niemoller quote:

            First they came for the socialists,
            and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a socialist.

            Then they came for the trade unionists,
            and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

            Then they came for the Jews,
            and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

            Then they came for me,
            and there was no one left to speak for me.

      • eddie47d

        The Mormons have barely been mentioned at all in this election cycle. There were several ads on TV last year praising the Mormon Faith and those ads came from the LDS office in Utah. So the “Libs” have not been harping on it. Now the Conservatives have been harping on the Muslims day and night for several years. People are tired of all the turmoil of our wars and don’t want that backlash to affect our Muslim American citizens. Reagan and G Bush were the ones who stirred up the hornets nest in the Middle East and the backlash hasn’t been pleasant.

        • muse1876

          I have problems Islam and the Muslims who embrace it. I hate the religion because of the beheadings of our soldiers and then hung on a bridge, I hate beheading because you are not Muslim, I hate honor killing because you decided to move to the US and your children became “too Western”, I hate stoning of both males and females, I hate female genitalia mutilation, I hate when they throw acid on a child, woman or a Christian, I hate that they hang homosexuals and I hate that the think drinking camel urine will cure your ills. If you find that all of this is okay, I feel sorry for you.

          • Jeff

            I agree with you. All those aspects of Islam are deplorable. Equally deplorable are the attitudes of some Muslims with respect to the education of girls. But there are a billion Muslims out there who are not going to convert to Christianity or any Western belief system any time soon. Plus, there are many Muslims who also deplore all the practices you list. The question is do we demonize them as semi-human or do we engage them and hope to empower the forces of modernity and moderation within?

            You know, Islam wasn’t always the backward faith we now see it as. There was a time when Muslims were ahead of the West in math and science and were generally more civilized than the West. In the Middle Ages, Jews who resided in Muslim lands fared better than Jews who lived in Christian lands. I say this to point out that the problem isn’t necessarily Islam or the Koran. Somehow, the culture has been kidnapped by backward-looking thugs who need to be ignored. One of the great strengths of the West has been our ability, developed in just the last couple of hundred years, to listen to our religious zealots, smile politely, and ignore them completely. Until the same can be said of those in the Muslim World, they will continue to have problems.

          • BR549

            The beheadings and the hangings from the bridge had nothing to do with Islam; it was hyped up hatred and anger in a population which has gotten sick and tired of British and US hegemony AND which happens to have Islam as its major religion. We kept pushing, and when the boiling point was reached, the leaders over here sit back and say, “Hey, we didn’t do anything.” Then, any muslim who happens to have an alternative point of view about how the US is running its show over there is branded a terrorist.

            All I can say is that, when the tables get turned, and they will under the plans the globalists have for this country, just wait and see how humane things get over here on this side of the pond.

            BTW, many imams have established fatwahs among their following specifically prohibiting beheadings and honor killings, so, don’t believe everything you hear. How many Christians have slaughtered other people in the name of God? The Quran, like the Bible, has radical whackos interpreting it for their own advantage, bearing nothing to the wise words within each.

          • muse1876

            I have read or tried to read the Koran and it is full of hate. The first thing is the story of Aisha. I agree with some of what you say. Our, so called, leaders keep sending them money. It is time to stop paying the people who hate us and want to kill us. How stupid can that be? Lets get the hell out and let them take care of themselves. All countries need to stay out of the business of another. The US isn’t the police chief of the world, it needs to stop. As long as we give billions to our enemies that means billions less to the people in our country. Islam also allows them to lie to infidels. That doesn’t make me full all warm and fuzzy for them.

          • Jeff

            Would you rather be at war with the entire Muslim World? We prop up the Saudi regime for obvious reasons, and we do likewise with Pakistan because it’s the most dangerous country on Earth. If the Pakistani regime falls and terrorist groups within Pakistan get hold of nuclear weapons, we’re in a world of hurt. So, as distasteful as the Pakistanis are as allies, we don’t have a lot of choice. Plus, if we maintain good relations with both Pakistan and India, we have a better chance of preventing an all-out religious nuclear war there.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Would you rather live in fear that the next attack will be close to your home? We will never control what they get. If Iran reaches nuclear capabilities, they will give them to any country that hates us. That is about the 99% of the world. I know that Pakistan is fearful of India but I am not sure who India would side with. I would side with my neighbor because the US is being portrayed as weak. Do you suggest that we spend billions of dollars to these countries? I am tired of sending money and getting pressed to send more and more. It is an never ending cycle.

      • Kate8

        muse – Not only that, but Islam mandates Muslims to “befriend” infidels (while at the same time deceiving, cheating and otherwise undermining them) until such time as they are strong enough to kill them and take over their land and possessions. Muslims are really big on booty, and think it is their right.

        They’ve been doing this since their beginnings, and they are doing it today. Their culture is diametrically opposed to ours, and we think we can be nice to them and all be friends. It’s like trying to befriend a rattlesnake.

        Islam teaches hate, deception, lying, cheating, stealing…killing.

        Christianity teaces love, giving, selflessness, truth, honor, respect…

        No wonder the liberal Left hates Christians so much. Not that all Christians practice these things, but at least it is something to be aspired toward.

        I don’t care what religion a person attaining office is, either, unless that religion requires them to subjugate all others, or take anything away from anyone else. Mormonism is not unlike Islam in many ways, and they have very strange beliefs and practices, especially once they get to the top of their heirarchy.

        Mormon men believe themselves to be superior to women, and they believe that they will, one day, become ruler (or god) of their own planet. There are those saying that Romney believes that this is his time to rule the planet. I didn’t say that, but some are saying that. And I do know that it is one of their “secret” tenets.

        I think we are in deep do no matter which one wins.

        • muse1876

          Kate8, I have seen to many videos of what these people do to others. I really didn’t want to view them, but to see their acts really cemented how far they are willing to go to control people. I will vote for President who more closely holds my moral views. The second will be do I trust this man to get us out of this debt. I hope everyone votes. Of course, I wish they would vote the way I do!

          • Jeff

            Good luck with the debt thing. After Romney lowers his taxes and bloats the defense budget beyond recognition, we’ll have to sell Alaska back to the Russians to pay off the debt.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        BR549 said: “The beheadings and the hangings from the bridge had nothing to do with Islam”

        Oh, REALLY? Why you do NOT educate yourself before to make such stupidly ignorant statement?

        Koran is their “holy” book as well as the IMPOSTOR’s O’Homobama.

        Here just a few commands of the “prophet” muhammed for his followers from the book of “peace”.

        “Slay the UNBELIEVERS wherever you find them.” Qur’an 2:191

        “Make war on the INFIDELS living in your neighborhood.” Qur’an 9:123

        “When opportunity arises, KILL the INFIDELS WHEREVER YOU CATCH THEM.” Qur’an 9:5

        “Any religion other than Islam is NOT ACCEPTABLE.” Qur’an 3:85

        “The Jews and the Christians are PERVERTS; FIGHT THEM.”… Qur’an 9:30

        “Maim [Dismember, Disfigure, Harm, Mutilate] and CRUCIFY the INFIDELS IF THEY CRITICIZE ISLAM” Qur’an 5:33

        “Punish THE UNBELIEVERS with garments of FIRE, HOOKED IRON RODS, BOILING WATER; MELT THEIR SKIN AND BELLIES.” Qur’an22:19

        “The UNBELIEVERS are stupid; URGE the Muslims to FIGHT THEM.” Qur’an 8:65

        “Muslims must not take the INFIDELS as friends.” Qur’an 3:28

        “TERRORIZE and BEHEAD those WHO BELIEVE IN SCRIPTURES OTHER THAN the Qur’an.” Qur’an 8:12

        “Muslims must muster all weapons to TERRORIZE the INFIDELS.” Qur’an 8:60

        “I shall cast TERROR into the hearts of the INFIDELS. STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS, STRIKE OFF THE VERY TIPS OF THEIR FINGERS.” Qur’an 8:12

        “Those that deny Our’an revelations We will BURN IN FIRE. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. Allah is mighty and wise.” Qur’an 4:56

        “MEN have authority over WOMEN because Allah has made the one SUPERIOR to the other, and because they spend their wealth to MAINTAIN THEM. Good WOMEN are OBEDIENT. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and FORSAKE THEM IN BEDS APART, and BEAT THEM.” Qur’an 4:34

        Do you need my blessing to convert into religion of “piss”?

        You have it, IDIOT.

        P.S. Of cause, islamists killed our ambassador by entertaining and sodomized him for allah’s pleasure.

        • BR549

          Umm, Alondra …. Did you mean this 9.123 passage? “O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.”

          or, 9.5: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.”

          or, 8.65: “Prophet! Rouse the believers to wage war. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will subdue two hundred: if a hundred, they will subdue a thousand of the disbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.”

          Odd, but those three passages, strangely enough, bare little resemblance to the vitriol we had to endure in your last post. If ignorant Muslim farmers are forced to listen to the perverted interpretational counterparts of our Bible, it’s no wonder we have a problem.

          The Bible is riddled with enough history of violence, incest, slaughter, slayings, distrust of others not like themselves; so just how exactly should that ignorant Muslim farmer with no education interpret the Bible, when it is interpreted for him in the hands of an angry vengeful political opportunist whose mission is to get even with the US for its vile Foreign Policy? LIkewise, we would hope that the wiser parts of the Quran are what modern day more educated Muslims are able to glean from THEIR written words.

          As long as we continue to have these “elites”, whose sole objective is about hoarding what wealth they’d managed to swindle from the rest of the world’s citizens, fan the flames of distrust within the ranks of the angry masses ON BOTH SIDES, they will use those angered minds to keep us fighting amongst ourselves. We, then, are left beating the crap out of each other because we can’t find any moving target in front of us to take out our aggression on.

          I’m not sure which Koran you decided to grab to prove exactly my point that we have just as much of a problem here in this country as Muslims have with their own people, but I will say this, we as a species, are headed further into the toilet, and have apparently learned NOTHING from the Bible, if we continue not seeing the larger picture.

        • BR549

          Part 2:
          I am enclosing a link to a page on Quranic Path’s website concerning Verse 5:33. I would suggest you read the ENTIRE page. It isn’t all that long but when one views the language, it really is no different than the language of the Bible at that time of the evolution of both those religions, but it’s the current day commentary that is provided that I wish you to see. It isn’t hate filled at all, in fact, like our own Bible in the hands of someone not so unconscious, even the modern day interpretation are filled with wisdom.

          http://www.quranicpath.com/finerpoints/cut_hands_feet.html

          More at the point, angry and ignorant people with a poor handle on their emotions will find hate and vengefulness in the words because that is what they need to see at that stage of their evolution, while those who understand the wisdom within their own BOOK, will also see the wisdom within the other.

          They are both Abrahamic religions. They are both brothers, if you will, and it would appear that as long as we allow ourselves to be forced, for political reasons, to view Islam as an adversarial sibling, we will be trading blows for a long time to come. Hopefully, after getting over the challenging immaturity during our spiritual “youth”, we then see our brother as a valued member of our own family and love him because he had helped us work through or growth issues to show us our own path to the divine, ……….. no matter which book we’re reading from.

          Islam, misinterpreted shortsightedly, condemns non-believers, but with an open mind it condemns those who would only try to destroy Islam itself, again, and like the Bible, within the language of its time. As long as everyone is playing nice, there is no problem. We haven’t been playing nice because we have allowed ourselves to be influences by manipulative forces and we wonder why people come up with gross misinterpretations of the Quran such as what you had provided have emerged.

          • Jeff

            The Koran was written almost 1400 years ago. During the Middle Ages, the Muslim World was ahead of the West in science, medicine, and overall civilization. Jews fared far better in Muslim lands than in Christian ones. Obviously, the reverse is true now, but why? The answer is not in the Koran as the book hasn’t changed. The only way to lure the Muslim World into modernity is to engage, and hopefully empower, the forces of reason and moderation within, the business community, and those interested in cooperation and development rather than airing 1,000-year-old grievances. The alternative is permanent war with a billion people.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF nice attempt to SPIN the logic that JEWS would do fine under a appeasing policy with the radical islamists who threaten and do harm even to their own for liberty oppressive reasons that stray away from their hostile views of their interpretations of their religion , and when they are Talking TODAY about JEWS in ways that are Not as you claim , engage without conditions and then have the will to hold to those conditions is how Policy becomes successful and your nation doesn’t turn its back on you when you are in the heat of battle Like we saw in 2003-4 , and then with todays policy that allowed the Radical Feb 17 brigade to secure the Embassy that went south and Obama not wanting to appear to have failed in the Arab Spring alliance decides to Cover-it up , For crying Out Loud JEFF do you think ANYONE should trust this President on anything let alone JEWS ???

          • Jeff

            Do you bother to read anything before you just react and explode? I was talking about the Middle Ages, not now. And stop the nonsense about Obama. He’ll still get a large majority of the Jewish vote. And my post wasn’t about Obama at all but about how Islam has been hijacked. It’s too easy for you guys to see how things are and assume it’s decreed in the Koran without seeing the larger picture. Honestly, think before you post.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF there you go just Like all you appeasers of policy thinning the Threat is Small that there couldn’t be more than a Hand full of radicals that hijacked the Muslims peaceful way of life … Oh Yeah that worked really good for the guys in the embassy didn’t it ???? What about the Girl in the USA that fears for her Life ??? Oh but its just a little thing … JEFF its amazing that such a small number of radicals can have such a Impact on a Persons Liberty in this magnitude …. Radical Islam’s War on Women and Girls http://www.patheos.com/Evangelical/Radical-Islams-War-Rick-Santorum-10-22-2012.html

          • Jeff

            Who said small number and why are you allergic to thinking?

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            JEFF you are supporting someone you don’t really know ….. http://www.silentconquest.com/

          • Jeff

            I already saw that stupid website. Why does everything have to be a war with you? You don’t have to be a Muslim to denounce that idiotic video. Just because you have the right to burn a Koran or demean a billion people, does that make it a good idea? I agree that the Muslims need to get over it already, but you right wingers need to get over believing everything you want to do should be done. The word is “judgment.” And the maker of the movie, contrary to your misleading website, is not in custody for making an anti-Islam movie although as I understand it, he mislead everyone involved as to the direction of the movie.

          • muse1876

            I guess if one of those killed was a family member then you would be okay with the video story. Why did Obama continue to spout this BS about this video? Because can’t take blame for anything. Is is always somebody that did it. Many have denounced this film, but the only people that I know of that want to kill him is Muslims. Obama and the authorities knew how explosive this was and yet they let him do a pert walk and put his name in the news. YOUR president at work. Freedom of speech no matter if you or I like is guaranteed. Muslims “need to get over it already”, I suggest that we send Obama and Clinton over and help them to get over it. What do you suggest they tell the Muslims, the truth that Mohamed was a pedopile? I thought your head was in the sand,but I believe it is up you ass.

          • muse1876

            Tony, This is an amazing video. Wish I would have seen this earlier.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            it is amazing that the MSM is willing to let these pieces of Information about how Our Administration is in the tank with radical Jihad and they are too scared to expose it , and they too will pay the heavy price this Growing threat to Liberty is coming the longer we BOW to their Threats rather than stand up and demand they see themselves as nothing more than equal with the rest of the worlds societies . bowing is not policy FOR ANYONE !!!

          • muse1876

            Apologizing doesn’t work either. Countries understand strength. Countries don’t embrace a spinless person like Obama.

          • muse1876

            This is for Jeff, BNI.com is not for the queasy. If you want to see Islam in action, watch the horrifing videos these animals have done to men, women and children. After you clean up your puke, tell me that Islam is being hi-jacked.

          • Jeff

            I’m sure there were grisly scenes during the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, and, more recently, the fight over Northern Ireland.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, We are talking about NOW. Are you so up OBama’s butt that you can’t even look at the handy work of Islam?

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Will you please explain what “the bigger pitcher” is to you? The only pictures that I see are the ones that are happening across Europe.

          • Jeff

            By the bigger picture I meant if you always react in a tribal fashion, all you’ll have is ongoing conflict. Recognize that there are people in the Muslim World who don’t share the views you so hate. Think about ways to engage those people because if we don’t, then nothing will change. Continually bashing all Muslims as evil, backward rapists will do nothing to advance the dialog.

          • muse1876

            Why don’t you take all your liberal friends over there and see how well you do tying to talk sense to them.

          • muse1876

            Tony, I now that Jeff will ask for a link so I thought I would save him time and give him a link. I wouldn’t trust Obama to be left alone with his dog Bo!

            http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2012/10/14/wtf-obama-hillary-clinton-had-radical-islamist-group-february-17-martyrs-brigade-in-charge-of-security-in-benghazi/

          • Jeff

            Where do you guys find these insane websites?

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Muslims and Islam has not evolved. They are still living in the dark ages. They will never come out of the dark ages, they kill the ones who dare to become into this century.

          • Jeff

            Are there not American Muslims leading normal lives? Are there not religious zealots among the Christians? Do the Christians not have blood, violence, and lunacy in their history? If you truly believe all Muslims are irredeemably evil, you should be pressing for an all-out war on Islam. If not, why not? I’ve still heard no solutions from you – just Obama bashing. If Obama cured cancer, you’d criticize him for doing nothing about heart disease.

        • muse1876

          Alondra, Excellent post.

      • sam1966

        How can you call Kate 8 that demeaning comment? She is more a patriot than anything you can ever dream of being. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Kate8

        Samurai – Thank you for the kind words, but I just considered the source. It’s another demonstration of the low character of the liberal mind.
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        BR549 – I completely agree with you that scriptural writings from any “holy” book are subject to interpretation, and that any people free from meddling and indoctrination by powerful people with an agenda would choose peace and brotherhood…

        However, this is only in theory. All that really matters is what people BELIEVE their religion teaches, and what they DO in the name of their religion.

        Islam has been used as a tool for war and brutality. Muslims are incited against other religions for a purpose… But knowing this doesn’t make them any less dangerous.

        Abraham sent Ishmael from his camp because he was jealous of Isaac, and Sarah feared for his life. The Bible tells us that the descendents of Ishmael (the desert nomads who evolved into Muslims) would always be a warring people, a thorn in the side of the world.

        Allah, the moon God of the tribe of Mohammad, is not seen as loving and kind, but as a god of war and blood, demanding absolute submission and aggressive conquest in his name. Muslims today follow the Hadith.

        Too many countries have fallen under Islam because they accepted and “reached out” to Muslims. Read up on Lebanon, which was primarily Christian and peaceful until they welcomed their Muslim “brothers” among them. It wasn’t long before these “friendly” Muslims turned on them and began the slaughter, and people had to flee their own land.

        Until fanatic Islam ceases being indoctrinated into Muslims from birth, they will remain a threat to freedom everywhere.

        • BR549

          You stated, “I completely agree with you that scriptural writings from any “holy” book are subject to interpretation, and that any people free from meddling and indoctrination by powerful people with an agenda would choose peace and brotherhood… However, this is only in theory.”

          Not to appear sarcastic (at least not any more than usual), but …… as Emily Dickinson said, “Life is what we make of it.”

      • Kate8

        Uh, excuse me, but that was a rather lame response to a serious post. Just exactly what is that supposed to mean?

        Are you one of these pie-in-the-sky new agers who thinks that all we have to do is look at things differently, and they’ll change? Do you seriously think that is going to change the minds of jihadists who’ve been believing their nonsense for centuries?

        There is nothing new under the sun. It’s going to take a complete reformation (and liberation) to the minds of humanity to turn this one around.

        Or, perhaps, the advent of something bigger than all of us. Say, a planetary body wreaking havoc on the Earth.

        Jus’ sayin’.

        I gave you more credit that this. But, oh well. Whatever.

  • Kate8

    Unfortunately, muse, Romney will be taking orders from the same banking elite that Obama takes orders from. It is not in the realm of the president to fix anything, at this point.

    Most people I know are just saying, “anyone but Obama”. Being that Obama is KGB and out to wreck our military and our economy, I’m inclined to agree. I can’t bear to have to see his disgusting face or listen to his lying voice for another four (???) years.

    Maybe Romney has enough decency not to be so callous toward the American people, but I wouldn’t stake my life on it.

    Read this, and you will understand why I’m not so hopeful about Romney. I’ve read a lot about him, and all is not what it seems.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/05/closing-the-ring/

    After what he did to Ron Paul, who some say had enough delegates to take the nomination away from Romney, I have very little respect for him.

    • Jeff

      K8, now he’s KGB? I thought he was a Muslim? What happened to the Kenyan Mau Mau anti-colonial thing? How do you ever keep up with the voices in your head? Or do you just parrot whatever right wing nonsense you heard last? Did you hear about Obama’s lovechild with Kim Kardashian? It was in the Enquirer! Or was that the story about his gay affair with OJ? Those stories and your nonsense are equally plausible.

      • Kate8

        jeff – You are truly an idiot. You are so pathetically uninformed, and I’m not about to waste my time filling you in. You are just another star-struck Obot, hopelessly mired in delusion. The rest of us have work to do.

        BTW, your crack about selling Alaska to the Russians….Obama already gave them the islands off Alaska. He invited Russian troups on our soil, and told Putin he’d have more flexibility after his next election.

        There is far too much you just don’t know, little boy. And obviously don’t want to know.

        Just because a thing is new to you, something you’ve never encountered before, does not mean it is not true. You have to do the work if you want to uncover the facts. But tools and shills take their masters at their word, like cult devotees. You just prefer to remain wide-eyed sychophants, throwing tantrums and berating anyone who thinks outside of your box.

        Now, buzz off. You aren’t worth my time.

        • Jeff

          I see how valuable your time is, hanging out on right wing websites saving mankind from the forces of reason and moderation. At least if you had interesting theories like who killed JFK, it wouldn’t be a total loss, but this Obama business is really nuts – he’s a Muslim, he’s a Communist, he’s a Kenyan, he’s KGB. Pretty soon, even your fellow foil hat people will realize your “theories” about Obama tell us nothing about him and a lot about you.

          • muse1876

            To me, Jeff, that you value you time as zero since you are on here. No one has asked you to stay. We do know the truth that Obama is a liar. Afraid to show his school records. Oh, Jeff, why did the Obama’s give their law licenses. Google it and find out.Obama lied, of course that is just par for the course. You need to take off your blinders and look at what he has said. Don’t be afraid a liar he will be until the end.

          • Jeff

            My understanding is they are inactive members of the IL Bar. It is highly unlikely an ex-President or First Lady will be practicing law (at least since J.Q. Adams). If you had actual proof (i.e. not a Glenn Beck :”theory”) to the contrary, you’d have shown it already.

          • muse1876

            As you can see, he was asked if he used any other name and he said no. HE LIED. I know you won’t like these links. So take you head out of the sand, and google it.

            https://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=459413728

            http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/06/30/bombshell-why-barack-obama-and-michele-lost-their-right-to-practice-law-in-the-united-states/

          • Jeff

            I gotta hand it to you, Muse, I’ve never seen a website quite like that. The pictures immediately gave it away as not a place to get actual information. The “facts” presented represent nothing more than a Breitbart masturbatory fantasy. What’s really interesting are some of the other articles on the site. What kind of a sick creep reads stuff like that?
            BTW: here’s some real information without the kindergarten pictures:

            http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

          • BR549

            Jeff, while I in no way support Obama, even though I had voted for him in ’08, I do realize the dung gets slung in two directions and we have to be careful about our sources; that goes for everyone.

            Personally, I gave up on Snopes a couple years ago when they started providing grossly incorrect information on a totally unrelated topic. So, like everything else, I take them with a grain of salt.

          • muse1876

            BR549, I gave up on snopes as well. There are so many hoax finding companies. I guess you could find a company that would be for your side of a conversation.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, I know how hard it is to prove anything to an ObamaZombie. Send me the link that states your comment that they just gave them up. You honestly think they would give up their law lic. after the cost of school and the number of years it took them to get it. Jeff, you sink into the name calling and making fun of peoples beliefs or links, you are sending the signal that you are to stupid to open your eyes and READ. The comments you make about people show how desperate you are. Since I don’t believe what snopes says all they left wing nut cases. Now, send me another link. You don’t belive anything unless it puts Obama a a great light. You are what is wrong with America, you don’t have the brain cells to see both sides.

            Just for my own curosity what do you feel about Fort Hood and Benghazi, without calling names or telling me what someone else did. What do YOU believe.

      • muse1876

        You really lose any chance of changing anyone minds on anything if you continue to belittle the thoughts of others.

        • Jeff

          Change k8′s mind? Are you kidding? She’s the original right winger. I think she referred to Ben Franklin as a young whippersnapper. I think she remembers the original Illuminati.

          • muse1876

            Do you know about these groups, have you read up on these or are you just parroting what you have heard.

          • Jeff

            A long time ago. In high school, we attended a couple of JBS meetings and heard all about their pet theories. I am not up on the latest conspiracy theories, but conspiracies always fall apart so they’re very hard to believe in – especially over hundreds of years. But the basics don’t change. The Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, blah, blah. I’m sure some of these families still wield enormous power, but they don’t run the whole country.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, You really need to read more. Don’t believe me or a friend. Investigate them your self. I know for a fact that some of these are very real.

    • muse1876

      When I hear his voice I just want to puke. It is the same old lies over and over. Will Romney be any better who knows. I do know that the Military hates Obama and do not support him, especially after Benghazi. I like Ron Paul, in fact TX looks like an interesting state to live in. We have to chose, I know who you chose and you know who I chose. Romney, I believe, is the lesser evil of the two. At some point, an true patriot will win. Have you seen the video that Paul put out called “If”? I am sure you did, if not, youtube it.

      • Kate8

        muse – I have military members in my family, and friends, as well, and I can tell you that they ALL can’t stand Obama.

        My nephew, Navy, actually voted for him last time, but he wised up right away. He won’t be voting for him this time.

        Of course, Obama has done everything possible to toss the military vote. He knows it won’t go his way.

        I also heard that Obama tries to steer clear of military visits, and when he does, everyone is disarmed before he arrives. He also never looks them in the eye.

        He’s destroying our military, because that was his main purpose. They all know it, too.

        This is one of the most eye-opening videos ever about who put Obama in, and why”

        http://www.trevorloudon.com/2012/10/an-urgent-message-for-america-please-help-this-go-viral/

        In the years before Obama was ever heard of, an American journalist was told by Russian agents that Obama would be the next US president. He published it, too. Isn’t it amazing how quickly he came out of nowhere and rose to president, immune from criticism and completely mysterious about where he came from.

        Jeff, yes, he is KGB. He is also able to be whatever you want him to be. He’s a media-generated figment, disguising a very dark, hollow, soulless being.

        • muse1876

          I also have many military in my family and friends. I know how much they detest this man. That is why I am afraid that all the military votes won’t be counted and to me that is the biggest slap in the face of Americans. I looked at his voting record in the Congress, never took a hard vote. When a person seals his records that is a big red flag. Was he just stupid? Did he flunk out? I am sure if it showed him in a positive light, he would have plastered them all over the place. When one digs just a little bit into Obama’s mentors and friends we see why he has done what he has. I don’t entirely blame the MSM for all our woes with this man, Americans must take some of the responsibility. MSM will be the death of our country because they don’t have any gonads just like Obama.

      • Kate8

        It’s because they’ve all been bought and paid for.

        Sold their souls to you-know-who.

        Some who give us information have said that they’ve been approached by the PTB, and are offered unlimited bank accounts if they will get on board with them. A few have refused, and are under continual death threats, and lose friends and family.

        This type of offer is difficult to refuse, especially in light of the economic peril we all face. And when it’s reinforced with threats toward one’s family…

        I fear that was done to Ron Paul, too. It is said that he had enough delegates…

        There was to be a big surprise at the RNC convention, but word got out and it was quashed. I think the big surprise was Ron Pau’ls majority of delegates, to take the nomination.

        We are living in a tightly controlled reality. It matters not what’s true. It only matters what people think is true.

        • muse1876

          I would have voted for Paul.

        • BR549

          Kate,
          You hit the nail square on the head. Ron Paul was estimated to have garnered about 80% of the military vote and nearly all of the military I had spoken with were behind him. He was threatened before; it wouldn’t surprise me if he wasn’t this time as well. That’s how these people operate. They claim to represent the system and even take an oath to preserve it, but deep down inside, they can’t fathom things possibly going in a different direction; so, they cheat.

          • Jeff

            Then why couldn’t he win a single state? And if the nominee hadn’t been that empty suit Romney, it would not have been Ron Paul. It would have been Santorum or Gingrich.

          • muse1876

            Empty suit, empty chair.

          • BR549

            It was because of shenanigans like those in Maine where bonehead Boehner felt threatened by Paul’s rise in popularity and changed the delegate rules in the middle of the game. Again, that is how these people work. They have to cheat to win. It doesn’t make any difference which party [read that as mafia family] they are from, they can’t fathom the possibility of losing a fair fight.

            Boehner, like Pelosi, are best viewed when they are tied to a cinder block at the bottom of the Potomac. They represent the absolute worst that American politics has to offer; ….. well, almost.

          • muse1876

            BR549, I’ll bring the cinder blocks it you add Wasserman-Schultz and to the list.

          • BR549

            I have no problem with women who are “driven”, but when they are corrupt, Zionist, so blind to what is happening to this country, and what their voters are expecting of them and “driven” on top of that …….. heck, I’ll even do a double wrap of case hardened chain and add an extra cinder block …… just for you. :o)

            None of this would even be an issue if these traitors would just remembered their oath, support the Constitution before their own parties, and if they had just told the GD truth.

          • muse1876

            I have no problem with driven women. I have problems when they lie and they tell a lie to cover up that lie etc., etc. What I find amusing is when you agree with them that Bush was not great either, they don’t know what to do! Stick to the facts. They only want the liberal facts. I want to see all the facts so I can make up my own mind. If I was a robot, I guess I would be a Liberal.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Kate, Romney will NOT take orders from Muslim Brotherhood, neither from Putin.

        Romney will NOT apologies for America around the world and betray Israel.

        Romney will NOT give command “Stand Down” and leave fellow Americans behind.

        • muse1876

          Alondra, I couldn’t agree with you more. Obama has no gonads. I bet he pees like a girl! Just blowing off some steam.

      • Kate8

        Alondra – We don’t really know what Romney will do. I doubt he will be much different from Bush. He’s on record as being FOR NDAA and lots of things Obama is for.

        We have to bear in mind that HE is the ELITE alternate pick to Obama. This means he will do their bidding. He wouldn’t be there if he were not squarely in their pockets.

        Why do you think they tossed Ron Paul? He was carrying many states, but the RNC threw out the votes and blocked him. This was a smackdown of the peoples revolution, plain and simple. So what we have is the NWO picks on the Left and on the Right.

        There are a lot of scandals and shenanigans in Romney’s clost, too, involving $billions, that haven’t come out. His family even expatriated at one time, having to do with his religion, and there is, believe it or not, question as to his citizenship. However, it’s now been established that citizenship is not a requirement, hasn’t it?

        I wish I felt better about him, but I’m done kidding myself about our elections. I don’t think he’s going to help anything.

        Better than Obama? Well, I’d rather have anyone but Obama. But it sure would be nice if we got to pick him. (Remember McCain? Now, tell me that wasn’t rigged.)

        • muse1876

          Kate8, Let’s just face no one can do the job for everyone. It is sad that we have to decide between two bad choices. I am sure if I was president, I wouldn’t make you happy either. Probably wouldn’t make my self happy all the time. I honestly don’t know why anyone would want this job. I am sure some going fairly clean and come black as coal. If Romney would put the stop to all lobbying, that would be a plus in my book. If the Congress would vote for term limits, yeah that is a dream, I would respect them more. The greatest country in the world, have to settle on the less or 2 evils. Ironic isn’t it.

    • BR549

      Kate8,
      I checked on the web link you provided on Romney in “veteranstoday”. Holy Siht! I knew he was another globalist stooge, but not that stuff.

      I wonder when the legislature, the judiciary, and the Oval Office will ever grow some new testicles, since Pelosi and Hillary seem to have taken them all, so we can get this country out of the hands of the bankers and corporations and back into the hands of the people.

      The country, at least those members of it with any warm brain cells, are in a state of mourning.

      • Jeff

        How can you simultaneously say the Rockefellers (or whoever) run everything so it doesn’t matter who’s president AND say it’s awful that Obama got re-elected (or, in your vernacular, re-selected by the Bilderbergs)? That sounds like some Grade A Romney-style double talk. Sure you’re not a close relative?

        • BR549

          Jeff, do you even bother to read other people’s posts before salivating about them? Kate8 had posted a great link showing the depths to which Romney had gone to eliminate Ron Paul from the competition.

          I had fervently supported Ron Paul; I never suggested that because I had dirt on Obama, that I was in favor of anyone voting for Romney, and even though he [Paul] insisted on working within the system instead of around it, and decided to not run as an independent if he didn’t make it through the Republican gauntlet, the fact remains that the Soros and Rockefeller contingent did NOT want Paul’s message heard ……. That is the only reason you never heard his message. Had there been any further meaningful debate ……. on issues that Obama and Romney BOTH refused to discuss in public, Ron Paul would have kicked their asses to the curb sideways. But no, the majority of the voters can’t possibly fathom that they’d been lied to for so many years or that they were clueless to realize it.

          So, what do they do? They wait until the first candy salesman strolls through town promising them the world, ……. and they buy into it because they have NO CLUE about the candidates true motives. So, stay in denial. I’d say it was working for you, but you keep coming back looking for answers under the guise of protecting your decision, so maybe it isn’t.

          There were a handful of people on the list this round, Kate8 being just one of them, who REALLY understood the dilemma the voters had this time, but sadly, too many of the others were only able to take the commentary as attacks on their person. Romney was a BAD choice, but he unfortunately had an equal match in Obama. I wish that I could somehow have you understand the material that is already out there, but it doesn’t appear as if you’re ready to hear what you need to hear.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

    JEFF the MORE Government taxes , regulates and controls the cash flow of the private sector investor and consumer the LES growth and less activity this Consumer driven Fro profit economic activity called capitalism that they HATE that the EARTH FIRST-ERS CLAIM IS THE CAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE , JEFF you cannot deny this its the Plan man !!!

    • Jeff

      Who is it that hates capitalism? But you have to recognize the capitalist system is here to serve us, not vice versa. Where it ceases to serve us well, we need to modify it. That’s called regulation. Honestly, you sound like a 9th grader reading Ayn Rand for the first time. Yes, capitalism is the engine of economic growth and prosperity. But to have a car, you need more than an engine. You need brakes, steering, and an intelligent driver. Otherwise, you’ve just got a big hunk of metal speeding down the highway out of control. Like banks without sensible regulations!

  • Kate8

    muse – I, for one, won’t be satisfied until our freedom is restored, along with our Constitution.

    We should not, as a nation, be satisfied with NWO sock puppets, no matter who they are, because they DO NOT REPRESENT US. The represent the powerful, behind-the-scenes, foreign elite.

    It’s an easy job, actually. We assume they have to make hard decisions. Wrong. Their speeches are written for them, they are told how to think, what to say and when to say it, where to go and when, and other than that, they are just moved around like actors on a set. Plus, they get to rake in AN OBSCENE AMOUNT OF MONEY, pillaging and plundering the masses until their heart’s content.

    Look at the Clintons. They’ve never actually earned an honest dime. All they have has been siphoned off the dumb masses.

    I understand that Obama’s favorite passtime is watching sports and videos of drone kills he orders. When the cameras are off, he is pretty much left to his own devices.

    Sorry if I sound cynical, muse, but I’ve been at this a long time, and it’s taken me a long time to come to these conclusions.

    Doesn’t matter much, I suppose, at this point. We either overthrow this system, with great losses, but get to reset everything… Or we fall under the NWO, communism, or whatever… at even greater losses, and whoever is left will be borg.

    Or, maybe, there is something to this ascension stuff, and some of us will get to move on into a new, golden age of higher consciousness. Maybe a rogue planetary body will pass by and wipe out most of the Earth…has happened before, apparently…

    Whatever is ahead, we can know that evil cannot prevail forever. Sooner or later it self-destructs, and things start over.

    There is nothing new under the sun. What is, has been before, and will be again. Old Testament, can’t remember Chapter and verse.

    It seems that the cycles of humanity repeat eternally.

    • BR549

      Ah, a women with spunk …… and a brain. I like that.

      I watch, tonight, the network sponsored Kabuki Theater, noting unfortunately the loss of Maine to dumbed-down chowdah-headed liberals who are still waiting for Hope and Change. Would that at least a number of them be able to discuss NDAA, drones, Posse Comitatus and THEN rationalize their choice. But NO, these people, like the majority of the rest of the union dominated, system dependent New England states are CLUELESS. They still labor under the assumption that the issues are about the economy and jobs, giving no thought at all about the gradual loss of our democratic republic and what forces were responsible for our manufacturing base being off-shored in the first place. It’s like standing under a bricklayer’s ladder, getting zonked on the head repeatedly, and then complaining that the Tylenol isn’t strong enough.

      They still think that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan must have been justified because the president is still talking them up ….. while promising once again to bring the troops home. There is no dealing with these people because they lack enough brain cells to brush their teeth.

      As for the afterlife, perhaps that big-ass asteroid that the Creator has aimed at the next Bilderberg Meeting, perhaps there is some hope left.

      It’s 9:19, votes are coming in, and the tally so far is 50%-50%. I should put out a shingle along with my crystal ball. What a freakin’ coincidence …….. again.

      And these poor fools still don’t get it.

      • muse1876

        BR549, Thanks for the compliment. Dems. will probably hold the majority in the Senate. GA went to Romney. The Bible belt will probably go for Romney. Why do leaders find it so hard to call a spade a spade? Tell me the truth I can take that better than any lie. The truth isn’t always pretty, but it is better than a pretty lie. The Unions have done nothing but steal the tax payers blind. At one time they stood for the working man, now they steal from them. If the MSM would report the truth and give out the number that have died by being shot in the back, the country would say nuke them or get the hell out. What gets me is that the liberals think sending them more money will make us safe! Idiocy must be in their genes. They give PA and NH to Obama. If wanted to leave this country, I would go to Russia because Putin won’t allow mother Russia to become extinct.

        http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/08/01/putin-foils-the-rothschild-zionists-in-syria-stopping-rothschilds-central-banking-scheme-of-nwo/

        • BR549

          @ Muse1876
          “The Unions have done nothing but steal the tax payers blind. At one time they stood for the working man, now they steal from them.”

          In my sister’s state of Rhode Island, she stated that all the Democrats were out voting during the day; they were either out of work, teachers, or in one of the gazillion unions choking the living siht out of the taxpayers there. Then, as she put it, after work got out, the Republicans showed up to vote. There were Obama stickers in the poll booths. They’d had all year to get the voting equipment working and they were having problems everywhere in the state.

          I can’t believe that after the last four years, New England voters [all states] haven’t learned anything. Again, none of these people know anything about NDAA, drones, or the relationship between Wall Street, Bilderberg, and Pennsylvania Ave. So, as of 10:47 here, New England, once a stalwart in colonial revolutionary thinking has decided to go to the polls ass first, pants down, and dragging a 5 gal pail of KY Jelly.

          • Jeff

            OBAMA WON!!!!!!!!!!

          • muse1876

            Jeff, If he did win, I hope you aren’t adverse to paying more taxes for “Julia.”

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Get ready for Wall Street to sell of big time to take the tax hit on these last 4 years at the 15 % rate instead of getting stuck with it being back to the Clinton 35 % . The Institutional investment firms have this down to a science they will take it back down to where the Government has to jump start the markets again after they sell out in order to get them to buy back in and that will set the stage for the next run up from bailout stimulus that the New Liberals can use on the next rich conservative running for President or congress and they can say oh these guys are just Profiteering off you middle class and we need to stick it to em and so the cycle of Mad Politics goes on .

          • muse1876

            I hope that Obama would bail them out again. I am so sick hearing that they believe Obama has won. God, I would love these pundits to be so very wrong.

          • BR549

            The Brits put it right in 2004 when their Daily Mirror printed; “How can 59,054,087 people be so DUMB?”

            Soon, we will only have the number to change.

          • muse1876

            BR549, I have to agaree with the Daily Mirror. I honestly can’t understand what they see in him. I know liberals hate the truth. I hope MSM is happy that they had a hand on Americas demise.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

            Here is the kind of People who elected Obama last time and this time .
            Life at the End of Empire
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpSUkjuABXM&feature=related

          • muse1876

            Tony, I will have to watch that tomorrow so I can comprehend it. My hope is that there is massive fraud by the dems.

          • BR549

            Tony,
            I’ll watch the rest of “Life at the End of Empire” after I get back later. Good work chasing that one down.

            Sad to say, though, it isn’t just the Obama addicts that are in for a surprise; those who were still thinking that the system was still working and voted for Bush, that idiot douchebag son of his, McCain, or Romney; they are all in for a big surprise.

          • BR549

            muse1876 stated: @ November 6, 2012 at 11:09 pm
            “BR549, I have to agaree with the Daily Mirror. I honestly can’t understand what they see in him. I know liberals hate the truth. I hope MSM is happy that they had a hand on Americas demise.”

            I know there’ll be dutiful minions saying that I’m a %$#@ Republican plant, trying to sandbag their road to happiness, but I gave up on the Republicans 20 years ago. What the Mirror said about Bush was dead accurate. HE was part of the SAME problem, the problem that the panty wetting libtards and the fear-mongering arm chair Republican “political experts” are still totally clueless about.

            The next phrase we here from them, since you and I don’t support either candidate, is, “Well, go find another country.” It isn’t that this system is bad; it’s the corruption of that system, and up to this point, rather than upset an already teetering applecart, these cerebral sloths would rather take it up the backside instead of making sure they have enough ammo for their AR15.

          • muse1876

            BR549, I would gladly move to another country. I don’t know which one. Corruption is at the core of our problems. I don’t think there is another honest Abe out there. I believe that there are many Americans that have prepared very well for what they for saw was coming. Is it the Boy Scout motto, “Be Prepared”. Maybe after a few days of mouring we will start to heal. God bless

          • Jeff

            It’s OK. I’m going to buy your company, move it to China, and invest all the profits in the Cayman Islands.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, I can afford the taxes can you? Why do Muslims get a waiver under ObamaCare and the Catholics don’t.

          • http://naver samurai

            Yep. Just 4 more years of the country going in the wrong direction. Downward, that is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • muse1876

            Wait until all of Obama’s health care kick in. The liberals will really poop themselves.

          • sam1966

            Just wait till those $2500 in new taxes, due to Obama bin Laden care, hits the middle class. Followed by another $2500 after that. Sook Young and I are both working, so I guess our taxes will go up $5000 – $10000 a year. The fools that voted this presender back into office should be hung upside down by piano wire from their nads. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • muse1876

            Sam1966, I hope the ones who voted for him, are hit the hardest. If Obama was for the middle-class, he wouldn’t have saddled them with more taxes. Obama wants build the middle-class, but all he has done is put them on the welfare rolls. Reid stated not long ago that if Romney wins, he won’t reach across the aisle, not the exact quote. Reid complained that the reps. were at fault and some fault does go to the reps., does he really think threats will get the reps. to help him? God help us.

          • sam1966

            We are already praying for this country and have been for years. I guess God wants us to be punished another 4 years for our transgressions. I guess I’ll have to read Psalms 109 again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • BR549

            Sam,
            안녕하세요. A part of me wants to congratulate those whose candidate came in first, last night. But this morning I was thinking about it. This situation is more like the death camp inmates having a choice between Dr. Mengele and his second in command. If people actually understood what is happening in the LARGER picture, there would be NO celebration or disillusioned fools jumping for joy, wetting their pants with glee over their favorite candidate winning. Instead, if everyone understood what was going on, they would have stayed home and waited to see whom David Rockefeller’s best choice was for president. The fact is ……. they just haven’t yet figured it out yet.

            Of course, the networks would continue to try to shovel the corporate pablum down the throats of the unconscious masses, as much as the masses could take without choking, and their continuing to focus on useless debate topics would be gauged by so called political science experts, who “understand the people”, to see how much the masses are still buying. And when it is found the masses aren’t buying it, they sell some product, phrase, campaign slogan, or dysfunctional foreign policy lie, that they will accept.

            It isn’t so much that Obama won. He was allowed to run only because he would have carried the football down the left side of the field instead of the right. It’s that there were so many cheering fools on both sides still believing that this system is working the way THEY THINK it is working. Truth be told, EVERYONE lost last night.

            God help us all.

          • muse1876

            BR549, I guess we all feel like we haven’t done our duty and to be truthfull we haven’t. How did we come from Lincoln to Obama so fast? I know money talks, but don’t people have a moral compass anymore? As a nation we went from loving our children to abortion and not to late term abortion. What is next euthanasia if your child loses a leg or isn’t blond enough, not high enough cheek bones! Where did we lose our common sense? If I could go back in time, I would have loved to have lived in a time when a mans word was golden. I hate how this country has ended and it is all of our faults. We felt comfortable that Romney would win because who the hell would vote for the worst of the two. That is why we are where we are now. Passing the buck, will never get anything done.

          • BR549

            Muse stated: “If I could go back in time, I would have loved to have lived in a time when a mans word was golden. I hate how this country has ended and it is all of our faults.”

            I don’t recall the author (Pinker, possibly?), but somewhere I recall running across the statement that …….”the one thing language gave mankind was the ability to lie,” something to that effect. Whoever it was may have gotten this from the Sumerian Nippur Collection at the Univ. of Pennsylvania’s museum; Tablet No: 29.16.422, which “describes the blissful and unrivalled state of man in an era of universal peace before he had learned to know fear and before the “confusion of tongues”; its contents are very reminiscent of Genesis XI:1.”

            When you sit down with that thought for a while and ponder what ways proto-hominids had to communicate with one another, they might have lifted a banana or two from one of their Australopithicene brethren, but events were in the here and now. No contracts, no mortgages, no hedge funds or derivatives; not even Admiralty Law, the UCC, UPU, or the Homo erectus version of Bilderberg. Somewhere along the line, I believe that theft of material items between ignorant bedouins turned into theft in the abstract. That probably took place when writing came into being.

            Faults we may have, but there are a lot of fine American people here who HAVEN’T yet been lulled into some libtard or fear-monger complacency, where they allow themselves to sleep tight at night with the knowledge that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny will tuck them in at bedtime. And so that they don’t have to take us seriously, they laughingly dismiss everything we try to tell them as being alien, reptilian, or at the bottom of a Black Hole. And then they have the gall to make fun of my “tin foil hat” collection. (Damn, and I spent all of 25 cents on that last one.)

          • muse1876

            BR549, I can’t believe that Obama was declared the winner. America is no more. I am actually sick.

          • Jeff

            At least you’ll be able to get healthcare.

          • muse1876

            Jeff, I don’t need to take money from the middle-class to pay for my health care.

          • BR549

            Being in the medical field, I can tell you that many physicians are contemplating cashing in their chips and doing something else. Great system, huh?

          • Jeff

            Didn’t we hear the same thing when Medicare was enacted?

          • muse1876

            Jeff, Why would would I spend years training to do something, and not make a profit? Gates, Buffett should stop hiding their money and spread it around the US with free first rate care for all. They could give all their money to the freebie society and live in a trailer right next door to you.

          • Jeff

            I don’t think we need to worry about doctors making a very good living, but where they’re squeezed, it’s been by the HMOs who want to limit their time with each patient and essentially force them to see too many patients per day. I used to play tennis with maybe the poorest doctor ever. He worked part-time for the VA. He still drove a Porsche.

            When Medicare started in the 60s, we heard the same stuff from doctors and the AMA. Socialist, blah, blah. The doctors came to love Medicare and every doctor I know lives in a mansion. I don’t think they’ll quit to sell used cars.

          • BR549

            Jeff stated: @ November 7, 2012 at 11:21 am
            “Didn’t we hear the same thing when Medicare was enacted?”

            How would you know? I’m assuming, then, that you must be about 70 to have been even interested in that news at the time. Funny, but your posts seem to place you as being much younger and misinformed.

          • Jeff

            I was young at the time but I remember the controversy. I remember Reagan branding it socialism and the end of freedom. I also seem to recall the AMA being dead-set against it. It was going to ruin medicine but it did no such thing.

          • sam1966

            It may or may not have ruined medicine, but it did increase the amout of taxes from everyone’s paychecks. What ever happened to self reliance and personal responsibility in this country? More handouts that we are not to be doing. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • BR549

            Jeff stated: “I was young at the time but I remember the controversy. I remember Reagan branding it socialism and the end of freedom. I also seem to recall the AMA being dead-set against it. It was going to ruin medicine but it did no such thing.”

            Jeez, and here I thought you were going to bring up Goldwater. Heck, you weren’t young; you weren’t even born yet. The AMA has ALWAYS been against everything that it couldn’t get its stinking paws into first. We have countless avenues to holistically deal with cancer, yet the AMA has fought them all tooth and nail. MediCare came up in 1965, albeit long after many people had envisioned health care for everyone as being too socialistic.

            And you think you’re gonna lecture us on MediCare and ObamaCare?

          • Jeff

            I am inclined to listen to alternative therapies as well, but when cancers are shown to have a good cure rate with traditional medicine, it can be difficult to believe some of the snake oil being peddled. There’s usually just enough “science” or scientific-sounding mumbo jumbo involved to be believable. Like the apricot pit cures or the stem cell therapies being marketed by unscrupulous people. I don’t doubt everything you say about establishment medicine, but they do tend to know more than your average quick-buck artist.

            But I thought you supported the AMA’s stance against Medicare? What’s it got to do with cancer therapies? BTW: I wish you were right about my not being born at the time of the Medicare fight. I may not remember it from 1965 (I was 11.) but I do remember it from just a few years later. I turned 14 in 1968 and who wasn’t politically involved in 1968? We moved to California in 1965, just in time for Reagan’s run for governor the next year, so maybe that’s why I recall those discussions at a pretty early age.

          • BR549

            Jeff stated: “…… but when cancers are shown to have a good cure rate with traditional medicine, it can be difficult to believe some of the snake oil being peddled.”

            Actually, because many of the older therapies had been quashed by allopathic medicine (since the 1870s), similar to what J.D. Rockefeller had done with any of his competition. (He hated competition and was absolutely RUTHLESS in tearing them down.) This was not unlike the AMA using the excuse of pretending to remove charlatans from practice, while at the same time eliminating all other competition, which was the main reason to begin with. But as we have seen, the quacks and charlatans have emerged on BOTH sides of the fence.

            Jeff stated: “Like the apricot pit cures ………. being marketed by unscrupulous people.” I don’t doubt everything you say about establishment medicine, but they do tend to know more than your average quick-buck artist.”

            Yes ….. and no! Case in point is the idiot and former psychiatrist, Stephen Barrett, who for years ran a website denouncing homeopathy, chiropractic, laetrile (or B17), Vitamin C, Nobel Prize Winner Linus Pauling, energy medicine, and anything else he didn’t understand. He would, to his favor, do considerable research on the history of each of these modalities and then, at the last minute, pull a “bait and switch maneuver and suck the reader into buying into his own level of ignorance. To make matters worse, a REALLY LONG list of allopathic MDs had taken him on as their savior.

            In a 2005 court case: Stephen Barrett, M.D. vs. Tedd Koren, D.C., Barrett was forced admit he wasn’t the Board Certified psychiatrist he claimed to be (because he failed the exam) yet he had been passing himself off as an expert witness during trials against what he believed to be quacks. Again, the lemming MDs, or whatever they were passing themselves off to be, had no tolerance for a patient’s alternative options; only those within the narrow mindset of the allopathic community. So, while you point out that they “know much more than your average quick-buck artist,” you would hope you never had one of these narrow-minded chowder-heads taking care of your wife or kids. Quackery, it seems, was never really the issue. It was INTEGRITY.

          • Jeff

            I agree that institutional “truth” is often nonsense and that can include the medical world. Just because something hasn’t yet been proven doesn’t mean it’s not true. In the aftermath of Viet Nam, it took decades (and the death of Admiral Zumwalt’s son) before the government accepted the link between Agent Orange and various cancers. I never had a doubt about the link. I am willing to accept the healing capabilities of acupuncture, chiropractic, and even homeopathic medicines, but when it comes to something like cancer, the bar is a lot higher. If a doctor says the cure rate is 90% with traditional medicine, it might be hard to go with somebody offering a 19th Century “cure” with only anecdotal “proof.”

          • BR549

            Jeff wrote: “….. but when it comes to something like cancer, the bar is a lot higher. If a doctor says the cure rate is 90% with traditional medicine, it might be hard to go with somebody offering a 19th Century “cure” with only anecdotal “proof.”

            Jeff, if anyone tells you they’ve reached a 90% effective cure rate, they’re lying through their teeth. It’s hard to say what the effective rate is because in many cases, the poisons they use to attack the tumors are so hard on the liver and kidneys, who knows what how long the patients would have lasted. Mammograms, it has now been revealed, have actually been slightly increasing the rate of breast cancer across the board.

            That “bar” is very elusive. As populations intermix, and the genotypes lose their uniqueness, those once revered tribal elders and medicine men become increasing incapable of effecting cures within the very populations they once had control over. At that point, even the medical profession is left throwing darts at a dartboard because they were one step behind those elders.

            I don’t mean to trash allopathic medicine in its entirety because it certainly has its place, but when money dominates a patient’s options, it only spells trouble for everyone. As far as cancer, the di-indolemethane derived from cruciferous plants, along with Graviola Root, the inner bark of the US midwestern Paw Paw bush, Maitake mushroom D-fraction, Turkey Tail mushroom, Burdock Root, Sheep Sorrel, and a long list of other natiral interventions have a long history of safe usage, and yet, until the pharmaceutical industry is able to isolate what it believes to be THE viable extract and patent it, the public is left in the dark.

            We’re getting off-thread here, again. Perhaps we can connect on another thread.

    • muse1876

      Kate, I believe that they are puppets just with different handlers. Money wins in all contests. Can you imagine how many times our founding fathers have turned over in their graves! Some feel that if you vote in a wealthy man he wouldn’t steal because he didn’t need the money or you put a “regular” guy and he has no money so he would be an easy mark for corruption. If you are not corrupt before being president, chances are you will be when you leave. We don’t expect our leaders to have any morals. Who would have thought that a president would be okay with aborting viable babies and allow them to die? This world is one sick cesspool. The farther down in moral we go the less time we have left.
      Russia seems to be more open to religion that they were eons ago. To me Russia is what we were at one time.

  • JON

    OBAMA IS READY FOR HIS CLOSE UP AS PRESIDENT FOR 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!!
    CONGRATULATIONS MR. PRESIDENT!!!!!
    NO MORE LIES ABOUT THE PRESIDENT FROM ROMNEY & RYAN!!!!!

    • jopa

      JON; It was Romney’s lies about the auto industry that actually brought him down in Ohio.Perhaps next time the GOP will respect the fact checkers a little more.Such a beautiful day today.

      • muse1876

        I want to see how Obama stops the sequestration.

    • muse1876

      Jon, Enjoy your new taxes.

    • http://naver samurai

      You mean you want 4 more years of growing government, more shredding of our Constitution, less and less freedoms, devaluing our founding father’s Christian beliefs and our Christian founing, more lazy people on the government dole, etc? If this is what you truly want, than you are an insolent fool and should be treated as such. There is one constant though, the samurai will be fighting for this country till he dies. Another 4 years of revolution coming, I can’t wait to get started. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves JON out.

      P.S. Until Oba,ma bin Laden shows any records that back up anything he says about his life, he is a liar. In fact, not just a liar, but a blatanly ignort fool. More of a fool than Jon.

      • Jeff

        Were you really the inspiration for John Belushi’s character? Have a nice day. Obama won, you know!

        • sam1966

          The constant immature repeating of oneself shows lack of intelligence and the mentality of a child. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you and your ilk out.

      • sam1966

        He may have won, legally or not, but it is the people of this country and the country that has lost. I agree with muse that you say you are older, but you have the mentality of a teeny bopper. Another 4 years of fighting for this country. But alas! The samurai will continue to fight for this country till he dies, even if I live to be 100 years old. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • jopa

    br549;When you have a job picking up trash in a field behind a hospital doesn’t qualify as being in the medical field.Very misleading.

    • BR549

      Jopa wrote: “When you have a job picking up trash in a field behind a hospital doesn’t qualify as being in the medical field.Very misleading.” ROFL

      So, what you’re really telling me is that you are so hopelessly entrenched in allopathic medicine that you have absolutely ZERO idea of what had spoken about. That figures.

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