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State Sovereignty Movements Gaining Support

August 10, 2009 by  

State Sovereignty Movements Gaining Support

Not since the rebellion in America was quashed in 1865 with the surrender of Robert E. Lee to Ulysses S. Grant has so much attention been paid to state sovereignty as is being paid today.

More than 35 states have passed or are considering state sovereignty amendments, according to the Tenth Amendment Center. Just before leaving office, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin signed a bill declaring that state’s sovereignty, joining Tennessee Gov. Phil Bresdesen in that regard.

States are finally becoming fed up with the increasingly dangerous non-Constitutional overreach of the Federal Government, and State Legislatures are working to stop it.

Unfortunately, many of today’s voting-age Americans have never even read the U.S. Constitution. Apparently, most civics classes in public schools today dwell on other things. So far too many people have no clue how far their government has overreached and taken away their liberty.

But here’s the truth: the Constitution gives the three branches of government certain enumerated powers. Those not enumerated are reserved to the states, and to the people.

The 10th Amendment describes it: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, or prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Yet despite that, since the Southern states were prohibited from removing themselves from an alliance that no longer worked in their favor—an alliance they entered into voluntarily—the U.S. government has grown increasingly more powerful. It could do so because the last remaining restraints on its power—the option that states had to leave the union—had been eliminated.

Here’s what has transpired since: During reconstruction the Republican Party centralized government, subsidized railroads, raised taxes on Southern property and businesses—then confiscated the property when taxes couldn’t be paid—and established an education system that taught a revisionist history of the run-up to and causes of the war (and the government-run education system continues this today). Congress also continued the first income tax—an unconstitutional act—that had been implemented by Pres. Abraham Lincoln.

In 1917 Congress established the Federal Reserve, a non-Constitutional entity with the power to control the U.S. money supply. In the 1930s, in response to The Great Depression, President Franklin Roosevelt pushed through New Deal provisions that further empowered the Federal Government while enriching certain constituencies. And now, in response to the global financial crisis, first President George W. Bush then President Barack Obama pushed through extra-constitutional spending bills. Obama then compounded the problems by nationalizing the financial and automobile markets; an action, again, that benefitted certain constituencies.

And now the Federal Government is proposing an even further overreach by attempting to enact legislation to cap carbon dioxide emissions and tax energy companies that exceed arbitrarily set limits of the element, and to restrict your access to adequate healthcare.

It seems from the mood of many in our country we may have reached a tipping point as a result of these latest actions. Radio talk shows are alive with voices proposing—demanding even—that America return to the Constitutional roots. Protests denouncing the growing government are increasing in frequency and support.

Unfortunately, many in America still don’t understand what all the hubbub is about. So, to help them understand, here are 10 talking points from the Tenth Amendment Center:

  1. The People created the federal government to be their agent for certain enumerated purposes only. The Constitutional ratifying structure was created so it would be clear that it was the People, and not the States, that were doing the ratifying.
  2. The Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that which has been delegated by the people to the Federal Government, and also that which is absolutely necessary to advancing those powers specifically enumerated in the Constitution of the United States. The rest is to be handled by the State Governments, or locally, by the people themselves.
  3. The Constitution does not include a congressional power to override state laws. It does not give the judicial branch unlimited jurisdiction over all matters. It does not provide Congress with the power to legislate over everything. This is verified by the simple fact that attempts to make these principles part of the Constitution were soundly rejected by its signers.
  4. If the Congress had been intended to carry out anything they claim would promote the “general welfare,” what would be the point of listing its specific powers in Article I, Section 8, since these would’ve already been covered?
  5. James Madison, during the Constitutional ratification process, drafted the “Virginia Plan” to give Congress general legislative authority and to empower the national judiciary to hear any case that might cause friction among the states, to give the congress a veto over state laws, to empower the national government to use the military against the states, and to eliminate the states’ accustomed role in selecting members of Congress. Each one of these proposals was soundly defeated. In fact, Madison made many more attempts to authorize a national veto over state laws, and these were repeatedly defeated as well.
  6. The Tenth Amendment was adopted after the Constitutional ratification process to emphasize the fact that the states remained individual and unique sovereignties; that they were empowered in areas that the Constitution did not delegate to the Federal Government. With this in mind, any Federal attempt to legislate beyond the Constitutional limits of Congress’ authority is a(n) usurpation of state sovereignty—and unconstitutional.
  7. Tragically, the Tenth Amendment has become almost a nullity at this point in our history, but there are a great many reasons to bring it to the forefront. Most importantly, though, we must keep in mind that the Founders envisioned a loose confederation of states—not a one-size-fits-all solution for everything that could arise. Why? The simple answer lies in the fact that they had just escaped the tyranny of a king who thought he knew best how to govern everything—including local colonies from across an ocean.
  8. Governments and political leaders are best held accountable to the will of the people when government is local. Second, the people of a state know what is best for them; they do not need bureaucrats, potentially thousands of miles away, governing their lives. Think about it. If Hitler had ruled just Berlin and Stalin had ruled just Moscow, the whole world might be a different place today.
  9. A constitution which does not provide strict limits is just the thing any government would be thrilled to have, for, as Lord Acton once said, “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
  10. We agree with historian Kevin Gutzman, who has said that those who would give us a “living” Constitution are actually giving us a dead one, since such a thing is completely unable to protect us against the encroachments of government power.

If you want to first halt then reverse the tide of government overreach, pass these points around to your friends and send them to your state and U.S. representatives.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • helen smith owen

    I am an ex school teacher who has observed over the past fifteen years or so, the dumbing down of our students and here, we are. Looking at evil right in the face. Literally it is in our face as we speak. As a Christian woman , a mom, and a grand mom, I am appalled at what our country has become. Nothing but a bunch of liberal fools, bureaucrats running our govt and taking advantage of my tax dollars. God help our country WAKE UP. I am FOR ALL AMERICANS. I AM A CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT. THE REPUBLICANS ARE A BUNCH OF HYPORCRITES.. I am a proud American woman who sees our country going down the tubes if we do not all UNITE and pull together..

    • Ed

      How true.

      • http://none Carol Garrett

        Dear Helen: Does it mean if the states are under the 10th amendment, the people there won’t have to have that ungodly health care system they are trying to put on us? Please let me know because I live near the border of a state & would run there if this is the case. Thanks.

        • Billy Wells

          since you brought up the health care issue, I was wondering what is wrong with it? What is Washington trying to force on us? Do I have to be afraid? I’ve heard something like a death pannel?
          Where do you get your info so I can see it too.

          • Lorrie

            Billy this comes from the Constitution of the United States. This is how our country began. The freedom that we have or had is why immigrants want to come to United States. Many are coming to escape over reaching and oppressive Governments.

          • http://Yahoo Loe’

            you must be very young or you would know what will happen.

        • DaveH

          Billy,
          According to one site it is currently 1018 pages long. Here is a link to see the entire bill: (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/racial_preferences_in_the_demo_1.html) You will have to cut and paste in the address field of your browser as this blog cannot handle underscores in the link.
          Keep in mind that the 2nd Amendment is only one sentence long and I’m sure you’re aware of the many different interpretations of that law. Imagine the amount of court time this bill is going to see. The lawyers will be happy.

          • john garrison

            The problum is the united states is a corporation, so is the federal reserve. corp are there own person. seperate and not controled by the people, but by managers. a corp is only responsible for its self. so are cityes, countys, all under marityne law. to fix this problum we must turn to land law or the law of the land. this is Gods law and makes people equal, and God is supreme.God’s law is simple and fair to all.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          The problem with the proposed government run health care bill like the one proposed in the House bill, 88.1 million people will see their employer sponsored health plan completely disappear. And even if you have private insurance, and kept it, they would have to conform to new federal benefit standards, and these so called upgrades will undoubtedly cost you more. For more info, go to http://www.heritage.org/press/factsheet/fs0036.cfm and click on “Top 10 reasons why obamacare is wrong for America”. It pretty much spells it out in black and white english.

          • http://Yahoo Loe’

            YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT…

      • eric

        Yea a conservative democrat like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, or Henry Waxman. Those dems, if given the chance will totally allow the destruction of our once great country, Wake up don’t be a fool…….

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Dont even put the word “conservative” on the same page with the name Nancy Pelosi. That woman is a twit.

        • FD

          A “Conservative Democrat” that is an oxymoron, as is a “Republican hypocrite”. Neither political party is worth a damn. They have been working together for decades to bring us where we are today. You being an educator, or so claimed, should have the insight of this nations history. That being said, you are aware that one party has been more involved with equality of the races, less government control and standing strong on the founding principle of this nation. While the other party has done and continue to this day, the opposite.

    • Bob Peterson

      there is no such thing as a conservative democrat. Who do you think is ruinning the country? How can repub. be hypocrites? The democrats have benn ruining the educational system since LBJ. they were in charge. I moved to cal. in 1969. We use to have a great educational system. It has been trashed by democrats.

      I am a real conservative. We don’t need any teachers unions, we don’t need the NEA, CTA or any other organization to screw up the kids anymore than they already are. No more tenure. Start using capibility instead.

      • Barry

        I have always thought that teachers should pass a minimum test on the subject they teach. Do away with union that allow tenured teachers to become lazy. We Americans have put up with the way things have become. I have noticed good (new) teachers never invited back due to tenure and,Oh! Yes, different political views.

        Now we have Obama and Crew as a result.

        • s c

          Barry, a teacher’s main concern is in teaching content area (math, science, English, biology, etc.). Passing a test does not guarantee you’ll get a good teacher. Some people might believe a union teacher is ‘better’ because ‘they went to a better school.’ They didn’t go to a better school. I wish unions did have schools. They would have put themselves out-of-business decades ago. They are driven by MONEY and POWER. Union teachers are self-made puppets. The net result is an expensive, inferior education. What do we have to show for all those years and wasted trillions? America has been hosed!
          Union teachers are proud of their ‘efforts.’ Look at what they’ve done to our schools. They use the same ‘pride’ that Lenin used in Bolshevik Russia.
          My advice is to HOMESCHOOL, and bypass teacher unions and politicians and their braindead ‘followers’ who want a piece of paper – not a solid education. It’s no accident that when a college/university recruiter looks for academic talent (scholarships), they look for homeschooled students FIRST. That’s no accident.
          Teacher unions should be in large population centers, where they can promote their nation-destroying methods. The rest of the country will get an education. It will take time, but the end result will be parents who finally see what a union teacher is worth to American education, and their wrath will put an end to wealth-destroying social engineering doled out in the name of ‘education.’

      • Foolpatrol

        So, we don’t need the NEA, but we need the NRA? Put the meth pipe down!

        • Paul

          Foolpatrol – Get a reality check!!! the NEA is funded with PUBLIC money – our tax dollars – and the NRA is funded with private money – those who donate their own money!!!

          Where is your real name??? Why are YOU hiding???

        • Foolpatrol

          Teachers pay dues to Teachers’ Unions just like members pay dues to the NRA. That makes both entities supported by private dollars. I’d suggest learning the facts before disseminating misinformation.

          What’s my real name? Why does it matter? Are you going to shoot me for having and daring to voice a different opinion? As far as you’re concerned, I merely patrol fools and provide accurate information. Try not to remain in the Fool category for your entire life!

          • Jud Wulff

            Fool,
            I know I’m late to the game, but, your facts are not so accurate. Teachers are COMPELLED to have funds automatically withdrawn from them for purposes which they as individuals have NO CONTROL. Whereas as a MEMBER of the NRA, I give so as to have my voice heard SPECIFICALLY on issues which I DEEM TO BE OF IMPORTANCE. I could say, “Go back to school”, but that wouldn’t help. Remember this, when they destroy the Constitution, they will first and foremost come after your guns. They don’t like disent. And they don’t like slaves having guns.

        • ChuckL

          Foolpatrol

          The NRA protects the Second Amendment of the Constitution. This is the one that gives us the power to enforce all of the other items in the “Bill of Rights”

          The NEA promotes propaganda about the history of the country and requires that learning is by rote rather than by query. Their agenda is taught as fact and logical thinking is prohibited. And they avoid all discussion of the Constitution.

          ‘Nuff Said.

        • Bob Peterson

          The NRA is not a union. Its voluntary. I chose to be a member of the CRPA .

          Which is in Kalifornia.

        • Foolpatrol

          No, the NRA is not a union. Nonetheless, like unions, specifically, Teachers’ Unions, it is supported by membership dues and seeks to advance the interests of its members.

          All unions start as voluntary entities. Potential members vote unions in or out!

          • eyeswideopen

            The sound of intelligence in the dark nite.

        • Brian Rawls

          It seems you never give up on creating chaos.

        • http://sherry-la@hotmail.com sherry

          Excuse me, What do you think keeps America free !

        • steven jeffries

          So Fool I gather That 2nd amendment should be scrapped Too perhaps You can tell me Who said this [if we had to go by the Constitution we couldn't pass any Bills ]

        • Martin

          These unions seem to almost be cult-like. The liberals also are that way. Just follow the old party line. Don’t bother to read the bill. We wrote it …it must be OK.

        • melinda

          When the NEA is funded by private funds it will be on the same footing as the NRA. Those who do not want to support the NRA do not have to, but those who do not support the NEA are FORCED to do so through taxation!

        • Tom

          Are you an idiot? Statements like the one you have made are what make senisble people wonder if you’re the one hitting “the pipe”, as you say.
          What a poor comparison – teachers unions vs. 2nd Amendment? Get a clue – and do us all a favor by not more posting and not making an even bigger ass of yourself.

        • Billy Wells

          Yes, we need the NRA to keep us free. We need to keep guns in the hands of people like Scott Roeder so they can kill people like Dr. Tiller. and keep us all safe from the Government.
          But who is going to keep us safe from people like Scott Roeder?

        • DaveH

          Billy,
          That’s what we have courts for. To determine if an act was a criminal offense, or a matter of self-defense. The first act of most dictators is to take away weapons from the citizens. Why? Obviously, the people don’t stand much of a chance to take back their country if they are unarmed.
          I know – that can’t happen here. Of course not, our Government is composed only of good people. Dream on.
          As far as keeping us safe. There are no guarantees. If someone wants to kill you, a simple wire around your neck can snuff your life. The only possible ways to give you your best chance of safety come from you and you only. I choose to be armed, even though I could take 90% of people with my bare hands (that is, if they aren’t armed). I can’t even imagine how defenseless many woman must feel, especially if they don’t have access to a weapon.

        • Christian Patriot

          We need weapons to protect ourselves from our own government, and I mean military-grade weapons, otherwise, as you would see Gun Controlled countries become slave owning countries, even as we are about to do so now, gun registration becomes gun controlled and gunless. See You Tube, “The History of Gun Control” in six parts and get an education my friend. I don’t need any politician telling me how to contract my health insurance, take a involuntary vaccine, protect me by a crooked cop, attack me by own sons in the military or the UN German contingent from NLE09. If you can’t see this, you need to go to a private school and get a real education.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          We do not need the NEA. For what? How does it benefit mankind? Not at all. We need the NRA. For What? Ill tell you what. Give a guy a gun and he will stop that shooter at the Universtity shooting everyone, or at the high school shooting everyone. Give me God and guns, and you keep the “change”.

      • The Insurgent (formerly: FRW)

        I agree with you Bob. I have never seen a ”conservative” democRAT in my entire life. DemocRATS known as the followers of the Communist manifesto and if we look after their actions; there we go! Uncontrolled immigration, abortion, exporting American jobs, infiltrating our education system with Marxist ”ideology” and so on. DemocRATS support homosexual ”marriages”, gun-control, raising taxes, open borders and now NOBama’s DeathCare Plan with the devastating effects for the unborn and the old. I can’t see one ”conservative” idea among DemocRATic issues.
        While it’s true that some Republicans are hypocrites, the stigma for the DemocRATS is overwhelmingly tend to that direction. I see both parties became the similar and behind the scenes, I think there’s an attempt to ”melt” them together and make the United States a SovietGulagUnio-type one-party dictatorship.

      • rod james

        Wake up Americans! It doesn’t matter what party you follow (they are under control of certain powerful people) the bickering amongst the two parties is the “side show” that IS POLITICS and keeps Americans from the getting to the truth of what is really happening. The US has been hijacked by people who do not have the best interest of the majority in mind. “We the people” and “By the people for the people” now means little in this day of politician/buisness man (eg:Cheney) or politician/banker (Guittner-Summers) and their lobbyist friends.
        It’s time for America to take back their country and stronger individual states is a
        a good thing.

        • eric

          Well guess what your now president the great Obama sued the banks, and forced them to make loans to sub-prime or otherwise homeless people, with the heads of the Banking commisions, ranking members. You know their names, Barny Frank, and his good buddy, who never did anything wrong or questionable, with all his power. Look up his connection with the former head of Countrywide, and the sweetheart, or near free major jumbo loan deal he got. Oh yea, we can trust him. What else do you want to do put Satan in complete control, or have we already done that……….

      • http://Yahoo Loe’

        THANK YOU FOR SPELLING IT OUT FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT.

    • DaveH

      Helen,
      Have you looked into the Libertarian Party? They believe in personal freedom, free markets and limited government. I believe they embody the best of both major Parties.
      http://www.libertarianparty.org
      To see their party platform pick the Our Party tab and then Platform from the drop down list.

      • Norm

        DaveH
        There you go again pushing the Libertarian Party. They stand about as much of a chance of winning an election as Ralph Nader’s Green Party or Ross Perot’s Independent Party. Ron Paul makes some sense, but he is out of the main stream of US thought. Even he was elected as a Republican. I suspect most Libertarians are closet ultra conservative Republicans at heart anyway.

        • DaveH

          Norm,
          You are obviously one of ultra-liberals who is afraid of any kind of freedom that will stop you (through the government) from helping yourself to someone else’s money.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Norm, I was born and raised democrat, and now have been a republican for 10 years, and I would gladly shift to the libertarian party if they could only get some more bonifide participants. I dont want the guy in the “lets smoke it” shirt running for governor. I want to see some normal guys and gals in there. Im tired of the dems and repubs doing whatever they can to make the other guy look bad, and the American public they are paid to represent becomes an after thought. Im sick of it. I have seen the democrats attack attack attack constantly, and finally in the last two years the republicans finally started fighting back, and they get lambasted for it. They have to fight back, I understand, but it seems anymore that is all they both do, and Im one American that is sick of it and looking for an outlet of change, and Im willing to try the libertarian party, if they can just bring me some good candidates. Ron Paul has some good points, but in all the debates he came off as being like the little kid that complains to the teachers about getting picked on on the playground. He didnt represent himself well, he came off as a whiner, and this is from a guy who is more than willing to listen intently for a different avenue to travel.

      • Smilee

        DaveH Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am

        Have not looked at their platform in years, thanks for the referral, I now know they have become as radical as republicans. I used to consider myself one of them years ago until I came to my senses and realized to be a member was to be a member of a cause that could never win and to be a part of the real world I no longer supported them and moved on. But now I see they have become extremists and I suppose that is why you are attracted to them.

        • DaveH

          Smilee,
          Funny that you say that, as I was just discussing political ideas with my son about similar things. Of course I wouldn’t expect anything else from you.
          So, I am an extremist for expecting the politicians to uphold the Constitution that they swear to unhold? Funny. Of course you support them in that lie (promising something they have no intention of fulfilling) because as I have said before, you want something for nothing, so the Democrats are the correct party for you.
          That posting was for people who believe in the commandment “Thou shalt not steal”, and in other moral codes that help us treat our fellow human being respectfully.
          In your world, the people who worked and took risks to achieve wealth are Greedy and Materialistic. But the people who want to take away their property (and money is property) are not Greedy and Materialistic. You have amazing powers of rationalization.

        • Nan

          Dave Now I know what is wrong with our country. Do you or any one else really believe that garbage of yours. You are a democrat face it You do not believe in the constitution you want some thing for nothing and you expect every one ows you something. What do you think that obama will do with people like you when he is done with you. all I have left to say is GOD BLESS AMERICA.

        • DaveH

          Nan,
          Do you have a reading disability or are you on some kind of drugs? Where did you come up with your interpretation of my politics?

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Smilee, are you referring to the libertarians as extremists? Ive recently started looking into them, and I havent seen that, other than in the past theyve had the guys that wanted to legalize pot and drugs, and just not what I would call worthy candidates, but extremists, Im not sure about that. Ron Paul didnt do it for me, even though he has some good points, he didnt make a very good impression on me. I do feel that we need some new outlet, as like Ive said before, I was born and raised democrat, and voted for them until I reached 40. I was because I was born and raised that way, and my parents told me that the democrats represented the working man, and the republicans represented the rich guys, and I believed it because my mom and dad raised me that way. But when I turned 40, I quit drinking, quit smoking pot, quit womanizing and doing all the destructive things Id did all my life, and gave my life to Jesus. I actually started paying attention to this politics stuff, and allthough I have to say in reality both sides of all the politcal aisles are full of crooks and corruption, the republican party holds today more closer my ideals of life, family, God and country, than do the democrats, who closely hold so many things that are in direct violation of Gods word, that I cant vote for them. But like I said, both sides have bad bad stuff going on, and now all they do is want to stand around and blame Bush, blame Obama, point the finger, and say look what he did, and Im sick of it. Im looking for a new avenue in politics, but it hasnt arrived yet. Id like to see a Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Evan Bayh, Ron Paul Jr., and some others form a new party, and distance themselves from both the current policies of their current parties, and start an American party where the politician actually represents the American people.

    • http://www.hope-not-hype@nsedreams.com Jim Edmundson, Sr.

      To helen smith owen. You said and I quote, “Nothing but a bunch of liberal fools, bureaucrats running our govt and taking advantage of my tax dollars. I am FOR ALL AMERICANS. I AM A CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT. THE REPUBLICANS ARE A BUNCH OF HYPORCRITES”, end quote. Calling yourself a Conservative Democrat is the biggest oxymoron I have ever heard. That is like calling yourself an athiest christian. Than you call Republicans Hypocrites. I just looked in the dictionary under hyprcrites and lo’ and behold, there was your picture.

      Calling yourself a Conservative Democheat is like calling ethnic people born in America, an African American, Italian American, Irish American. IF YOU WERE BORN IN AMERICA YOU ARE AN AMERICAN, GET USED TO IT, GET OVER IT AND LIVE WITH IT. The Blacks born in America who call themselves African American are doing more to divide racial relations than anyone. Can you even point out Africa on the map? This goes for all ethnic races, not just the blacks.

      You are probably a proponent of gun control too. Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming spoons for making Rosie O’Donnel fat or blaming the enviroment in Hollywood for making Liberal Hollywood celebrities stupid.

      I do agree that ‘United we stand – Divided we fall’.

      Make up your mind and take a stand or stay on the fence and look and sound like a fool.

      • Ron

        Jim, I like your view. You make very good sense and explain these things in a understandable manner. Being a little kinder in your manner of correcting people will take you a long way.

        • http://www.hope-not-hype.nsedreams.com Jim E.

          Ron,
          I agree but sometimes you have to get their attention, like slapping them upside the head to wake them up.

      • carmen butler

        amen brother

      • Paula

        Jim, when asked what race I am, I simply check ‘other’ and write in HUMAN. That’s what we are. It’s time to remove the barriers of we the people really are. Thank you for your comments.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      The republicans have indeed fallen from what they once were, but if you continue to vote democrat, you will quicken the demise of this country. They are immoral baby killing gay elevating, God eliminating, Christian prohibiting left wing liberals. thats it.

      • Norm

        Mark
        Run Sarah Palin in 2012 and Republicans are finito.

        • Linda C

          Norm

          Confused Americans Voted Obama In– Now the country is FINITO

        • DaveH

          I’m not Republican obviously, but why are you liberals so afraid of Sarah? I don’t know much about her, other than the entrenched politicians are afraid of her, like they were afraid of Ronald Reagon.
          It’s kind of comical to me, because it is a well known fact that the more exposure someone gets, the better their chances of gaining political office.
          You liberals are just giving Sarah free publicity. But then, I haven’t known too many bright liberals.

        • Smilee

          DaveH Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

          I do not know why you feel liberals are afraid of her, all the liberals I know think she is the biggest joke played on the voters in a century or more. I voted twice for Reagan and in hind site which is 20/20 I now realize it was one of the biggest mistakes of my life time, but to give him credit Sarah is no Reagan, what an insult that is to him. Exposure works both ways, if she is the joke we think she is exposure of her works to the democrats advantage. My guess is by time 2012 comes around the republicans will distance themselves from her as well and realize she would be a loser for them

        • Ellie

          Yeah, the liberal scumbag media will see that Palin is never elected…they have made it their lot in life to destroy her and her family

        • Billy Wells

          Come on man! Sarah Palin is lucky if she can even dress herself in the morning let alone be President. Even if she is elected she will just quit after a year or so when things get to be too hard for her. She’s a quitter and a loser. She should stay in Alaska and keep her mouth shut.

        • Billy Wells

          Linda C,

          Disgusted Americans voted Obama in. They were tired of the Rublican do nothing yes men rule in Washington. If the Republicans would have done a good job they would still be in the Majority. Think about it. Duhhhhhhhhhh!

        • DaveH

          Yes, The Republicans have not been much better than the Democrats. Both have grown the size of government dramatically. But at the next presidential elections pay attention. See how the major media don’t give 3rd parties a chance to get into the debates. See how the major media give lots of attention to the most liberal of the Republican primary candidates, then once they have gotten their man into the Republican nomination, they drop him like a hot potato. That is because they want the most pro-Big-Government candidates they can get. The major media is making our political choices for us. Of course, they don’t want anyone who promotes capitalism, because in a truly free-enterprise system the media moguls would possibly/probably lose their high-paid positions to someone else.
          There is little doubt in my mind that government will keep growing and keep taking away our personal choices and our money until our country collapses. But at least I won’t have to live with the guilt that I helped create that situation.

        • Billy Wells

          DavidH
          Who pays the salaries of the media? It’s the sponsors they get. The sponsors pay for time to advertise their product on a TV network or magazine or whatever. That is how Broadcasting networks make their money. The advertisers get their money from selling their goods. This is capitolism. So to say the media is against capitolism is just stupid. That’s how they get their money. If they were getting it from the government then I could understand. But if they end capitolism they cut off their own pay check.

        • DaveH

          Billy,
          No, not stupid at all. I guess a better way to put it would have been to say they are against free enterprise. The media moguls like their big paychecks. They don’t want a free market because then they would be subject to greater competition. Their advertisers, by way of the big expense of commercials are almost always big companies who also would prefer less competition. I guess a good example would be the way Bill Gates turned a small time garage business into a hugely successful competitor against the giant IBM. You can bet that wouldn’t have been so easy in these times with all the myriad regulations on business which make it difficult for small startups.
          With the government regulating the marketplace, those companies that learn to be good sycophants can prevail over the others. In a free enterprise environment, they would instead have to produce the better product or better service or fall prey to their competition.

        • DaveH

          Billy,
          If you are really interested there are many publications that explain the benefits of the free marketplace (which we don’t have currently). One is “In Defense of Free Capital Markets” by David F DeRosa.
          Also Reason.org is a good place to find free market concepts.

        • Norm

          DaveH
          Two points:

          1. There really is competition between networks, albeit relativly friendly, for sponsers and popularity. Popularity is judged by ratings pollssuch as Nielson. Shows that aren’t watched enough are dropped
          fairly quickly. I might add that the Fox Network is no different than the others. Hate radio operates in the same way as well.

          2. Bill Gates was never in competetion with IBM. Gates sold the DOS operating system(software) to to IBM (a hardware company) when IBM got into the personal computer business. Incidently IBM
          had a better alternative called CPM, but failed to negotiate a a deal for it. Bill later went on to form
          Microsoft, a strictly software company, and sold DOS and Windows to all computer makers who were interested.

        • Norm

          DaveH
          In the above post, I stated that IBM was a hardware company. Actually, they do produce application and specialized software for their large mainframe computers as well. Microsoft produces PC software and has never had a competetive product.

          Apologize for the sloppyness above as well.

        • Skippy Carr

          I’m afraid of Sarah because she’s just smart enough to get fool people into electing her, but not nearly smart enough to be President.

          • http://socializedmedicineearthritis Eileen Barayasarra

            SKIPPY! THAT IS EXACTLY WHO WE HAVE NOW!! DUUUUH!

    • Tim

      If you appalled at what our country has become, then you should think a more deeply and serach for the truth, salt and light,as christian you should know this
      Principle.
      The demacratic platform and christianity go together like oil and water

      • Smilee

        Tim Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am

        So do the constitution and Christianity, that’s why the founders separated the two and made sure the two did not have a chance of combining. Separation of Church and State, is a great thing for both

        • Nan

          Tim you had better read the constitution again you have no Idea what you are talking about. Why do you think our country is in the shape that it is in, BECAUSE we have turned our back on god and you people” elected” the devil himself.

        • http://GUNControlisGovtControl homer

          Tim, I am NOT going to say you are ignorant but I would like to ask you to consider this, first the words “sepatation” Chuch” or state” do NOt appear in the constitution! Now the other thing is where did the saying separation of church and state come from? Well in 1824 I believe, the Danbury baptists wrote Thomas Jefferson and ask him the facts regarding the rumor that there was a church being made a state church. Well, Mr Jeffersons answer is that letter. He said that there was a “one way wall of separtation, between church and state. (notice you never here the “ONE WAY” in that separation…..statement. Mr Jefferson also said that “Christians were preferred for our polititions, and they were.! Its just that the govt could not run the church but the people in a church could run the govt. Not you have the facts!!!!

        • Smilee

          Nan Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 7:05 pm AND
          homer Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

          First Jefferson was not one of the authors of the constitution, second, the first amendment may not use the word separation but that does not mean it does not mean that, that word has become the word of choice to describe it. Its true meaning has been developed by rulings of the Supreme Court in some of their rulings and it is they that give it its legal meaning not any letter that is not part of the law and is nothing but his opinion but I guess you feel your interpretation is the correct one even if the court does not agree with you and that is what you, Homer and Nan seem to understand, Nan interprets the constitution by using the bible and not the constitution which she obviously does not understand and you Homer look for it meaning elsewhere as well, No, you did not give me the facts what you gave me is your opinion and you did not get it from the supreme court rulings and they are the true meaning of separation of church and this letter has no legal standing in this issue. Just to give you one example from several is the court’s rulings is no prayers in public schools, the reason given is the first amendment separates church from state, that sir is the facts weather you like it or not is irreverent it is still the constitutional interpretation of separation of church and state by the courts. The two of you should reread the constitution and try to understand the real meaning of it and you both would be better off if you did not inject you own meaning of it as both of your meanings are totally wrong. THAT IS THE FACTS!!

        • Tim

          I beg your pardon if you miss understood my comment I was not referring to the separation of church and State.
          I’m very aware of why our founders put this in place and I’m in total agreement with there wisdom
          I was merely referring to the typical immoral agenda of the democratic party such as pro choose, pro gay rights an so on.
          These things certainly do not display Christian values.
          And further more “NAN” I have not turned my back on God and THIS PERSON DIDN’T VOTE FOR THE DEVIL!!!!!!!

        • Don

          A liberal can be spotted every time they talk, because all that comes out is ignorance.All liberals say there is a separation of church and state, but in reality the constitution does not say that anywhere. The only thing it says on that subject is in the 1st. amendment quote ” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” unquote. That shouldn’t be too hard to understand. The government cannot force or deny any religion to anyone. That does not say religion has no place in government. One of the reasons they left Great Britain was for religious freedom. Most of them were christians and that’s why we have a constitution. This country was founded on christianity. I challenge you to show me anywhere in the constitution a separation of church and state.

        • Smilee

          Don Reply: August 11th, 2009 at 12:47 am

          Don

          You seem to have a hard time comprehending what I really said. It is not liberals that have said there is a separation of church and state it is the Supreme Court in its rulings that have made that clear and you apparently are so arrogant that you think you can interpret the constitution better than they, what you fail to understand is you position is irreverent as the courts have rendered it so by their rulings. I do not have to show you, the Supreme Court has done that but as usual you conservatives who seem to think you are smarter that any expert and deal with all their mistakes by blaming them on some one else as they are so irresponsible and are unable to admit the error of their ways. One example: The court ruled that pray in public schools and some public places is unconstitutional because there is a separation of church and state, therefore when you are in a place owned by everyone you cannot force your religion on the rest of the public that may or may not agree with your beliefs. Liberals for the most part respect others beliefs on this, conservatives through are hell bent on forcing themselves on others by demanding this special privilege and the courts still say, NO, NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH!!

        • DaveH

          Smilee,
          Apparently Don can interpret the 1st Amendment better than the Supreme Court can. It is in plain English. And it says simply “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or preventing the free exercise thereof”. The key word here is “Congress”. What you are citing are cases of Judicial Activism which we are going to see more of now that Sotomayor has been approved. If you were correct and they were interpreting only the letter of the law (in this case the constitution) then there would rarely be 5-4 decisions. When in fact, 5-4 decisions are very common (51 in the last 3 years). Apparently, only 5 of the 9 justices are well-versed on the Constitution.

        • Smilee

          DaveH Reply: August 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

          You are entitled to your opinion, however it and Don’s are irrelevant as it is the Supreme Court’s that has meaning yours and Don’s does not. Unless you are a lawyer you probably are incapable of understanding anyway other than in the simple amateur way you present your opinion, these opinions where not made in the last three years. You may think they are activist judges but most attorneys will not agree with you. It sounds to me what you want is activist judges that will interpret it your way instead of by the constitution. Sorry you really are not capable of understanding it and whining because you can not have your way. It is apparent it is far far to deep for your simple mind.

      • Billy Wells

        Yes, those darn Gays. Who do they think they are? They have no rights under American Laws. They are not one of us. They are a threat to my way of life. Next thing you know we will all have to be gay.

        Now isn’t that just a stupid reaction but that’s how you all act. Didn’t Jesus teach us to love everyone? But yet you so called Christians seem to find plenty of people to hate. You are not fooling God. He knows how hatefull you all are.

        • eric

          How simple you are. Do you remember Sodom and Gamorea. Well whoever was in charge, damn sure a judgement on them. Or maybe that was just a farrie tale, from the Old Testament. Enough about that, put the most Liberal rabid justices on our Supreme Court, need names, T Marshel, R Gensburg, former chief lawyer of the ACLU, anti american Communist org. And let’s not forget Stephens, he claims he’s a communist and proud of it. Yea put those dicks in charge of Constitutation and see what happens.

        • Billy Wells

          Eric,
          I don’t remember Sodom and Gamorea. I’m not that old. But judging from how you act and how barbarick you are you must be that old. Sodom and Gamorea. may or may not be true. It could have very well been a made up story by people just like you that are looking for ways and justification to hate people that are different or that you don’t agree with. I would like to know how a gay person affects your rights?

        • Billy Wells

          Eric,
          So far Obama has gotten 1 person appointed to the supreme court. How many did GW Bush get appointed?

    • Roger

      The problem is this – Partisan politics.
      We need to put aside the Democrat verses the Republicans, the us against them mentality. It is how they keep themselves in power. The arguments should be about words. What is right and what is wrong. Listen to the language and the meaning of the language. The first thing I look for in an argument is this, are they using fear, or any emotion to justify a position? If so, LOOK very closely.
      We are all Americans, we need to unify to correct what is wrong.
      This nations strength is founded in the principal of opportunity. People from nations all over the world came here for the opportunity to improve ones life. They did not come because we guaranteed it. We provided only the OPPORTUNITY, that if you worked hard and coontributed to our society, you would improve your life. We have devolved into the land of free stuff. Free medical treatment, welfare, housing, food stamps, etc., etc.. The irony in this, it is these very programs that are destroying our nations ability to create wealth, becasue we are allowing the Federal governement to confiscate our wealth.
      We allow it because they prey on our EMOTIONS.
      Stand up, Stand Proud, Stand Loud and let us take back our nation from the thieves. You can recognize them, whether they are democrat or republican, because they spend your money for your own good. That is Wrong! It is yours.

      • Lyle

        I wholeheartedly agree.

        There is a growing number of folks who believe (including myself who read the book some years ago called “No One Dares Call It A conspiracy”) that neither party really has full control over our government.

        It was suggested by this same book and now many other folks that the “fed” which is a privately owned corporation controls our banks also has a strong strangle hold on both parties. If this is true, and it does seam quite feasible, then the two parties are allowed to fight over god, abortion, health care, the environment, the weather and on and on and on until the people become completely numb with apathy. However the outcome, life goes on as usual and things get steadily worse because it doesn’t matter that much which party wins the government is still under the same control.

        The biggest story of the century is going mostly unreported and ignored by the very same folks that we depend on to keep us abreast of events that matter to us. And for why? Is it because they fear ridicule? or is because they are owned by the same who would perpetrate the demise of this grand country?

        I was involved with the campaign for Ross Perot and watched very carefully how he was finally defeated. It took the work of a team of experts to find out how to push Ross’s buttons and that is how he blew the race to the white house.

        It has been said that we will never have another chance to run a third party with any degree of success again. I think that this is wrong minded and a defeatist attitude and I think that the time has come that the people will find a way to vote the two party system out of office. A good start would be for the voting public to decide that no matter who runs for either of the two parties, that they will only vote for a confirmed third party candidate no matter what their name is. This would probably induce more qualified folks to run on a third party ticket. The only concern would be keeping the fed from putting up their own shill and this is another good reason to make the fed transparent and open up their books.

        • steven jeffries

          was That book written in 1971?

        • bazdmeg

          Lyle
          Great book, read it myself and one of several along
          same lines, you’re also dead on regarding FED, which
          may possibly be the ONLY outfit in the world that
          has not been subjected to an AUDIT that is meaningful
          and thorough. Sorry the it’s not the only one, add to
          it the “gold reserves” at fort knox, which has fought
          for decades to quash and idea of an audit of what it
          contains, and rightly so since it’s EMPTY for the most
          part, the gold is gone, and by the way it’s none of
          anyone’s business, but the FED’s.

        • eric

          The problem is, now money and power control everything. We now have orgs like Seiu, Accorn, Apollo, funded by the most un-american of them all, who wants the very collapse of the USA

        • eric

          Well here’s the deal. You have orgs like Seiu, accorn, and apollo, funded by a man that is driving the country to collapse. He tried the same thing in Europe , and was kicked out. George Soros might be Satan. ;He makes another billion betting and causing the demise of the USA. He’s good at it, he did the same thing in France, and then England. He made his 1′st power move, turning in his friends and family to the Nazi’s in WW2, swearing he was not a Jew, but Catholic. And most people think Bernie Madoff was a bastard Jew…….

      • Foolpatrol

        Sarah ‘give me free, it’s not my fault’ Palin’s Government Health Plan?

        reprinted from ADN

        “Sarah Palin, YOU ARE A HYOCRITE!! Down Right EVIL*??

        Alaska 1st QUITTER Governor’s husband Todd� IS.. Alaska Native. His mother is 50% Alaska Native. Todd Palins Territorial Generations of Alaska Native families, his children (from birth) have qualify for Full Medical Services through Ak Native Med. Center { plus 40 other United States *FEDERAL* Medical Facilities}.

        Our Native Medical Services from the Territory has been Governed thru The Bureau of Indian Affairs. Since Statehood, Alaska Medical Coverage is Managed through Indian Public Health [IPH] and Public Health Svc [PHS].

        This Medical Service IS STILL GOVERNED and SUBSIDIZED or Supported Financially BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT & the State OF Alaska!!”

        It’s government healthcare, STUPID! GOVERNMENT!

        • melinda

          If the care offered to Native Alaskans is as poor as the care provided to Native Americans you are offering an extremely poor example of government run health care! My sister in law is a missionary on a reservation in N.M. and the care our government gives our natives is so bad most have rotten teeth! Even getting a broken bone set is an ordeal. I doubt very much that the Palin’s are on the Alaskan Indian health care plan, but if they are I hope they have purchased supplemental insurance for their family1

        • Foolpatrol

          If it’s good enough for her beloved Alaskans, why isn’t it good enough for Sarah ‘give me free, it’s not my fault, what’s in it for me’ Palin?

          Depends on whether the recipient of the medical treatment is on a rural isolated reservation, igloo, or in close proximity to healthcare providers and services. Same is true for underserved rural areas with few doctors. Also depends on how we value the lives and health of human beings, all human beings. Funny how we demand that eveyone is born and after birth, some can’t get a cavity filled or a broken bone set, isn’t it?

          It’s all relative, isn’t it? Many poor families who don’t have access to basic preventative care and diagnostic tests to detect life threatening conditions believe that some coverage is better than none.

        • The Insurgent (formerly: FRW)

          FOOLpatrol, it’s time to patrol yourself again. The NEA is a hte-group corrupting children (and teachers) minds, while the NRA is a constitutional right defender citizen group. The NEA is endorsed and supported by huge government money while the NRA gets only hate and slandering from the government.
          Being on the Left is not necessary to be fool. But many of your kind tend to be, simply bc the socialist-marxist ”ideas” have no real basics, only leninist hatred. And looks like this country had – finally! – enough from it.

        • Foolpatrol

          Palin a Clear & Present Danger to Nation! Oberman on point on Palin.

          Part 1 –
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HgfwPtxLw

          Part 2
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0gen_HoxrM

          Wink for leadership!

        • Foolpatrol

          reprinted from ADN comments

          “Palin is lecturing on death panels?
          What about the 250 that died waiting to the assessed/reassessed for services.
          The federal government had to shut the program for elderly and disabled down. Did she fix it; no she quit and went to New York meet with her publishers.”

        • debra

          Foolproof…you must not be on the same page the rest of us are on. What are you reading…or should I say who are you talking to?

      • debra

        Roger you are so right! It was Thomas Jefferson who said “when a government takes from those who are willing to work,and give it to those who are not willing to work,..then democracy ceases to exist”. And this is where we find ourselves now. We can not continue to support able bodied people just because they have babies out of wedlock. Now we have illegals that take our taxes too,without ever paying into the system. 40% of the population. The rest of us go to work every day to support them. It has to stop.

        • Oscar Goldman

          Debra
          Gov. Palin knows all about the death panels as she is quilty of them. Please read the article below.

          Palin’s Health Care Priorities and Alaska’s Daughter

          07/15/2009
          Today, Lisa Demer of the Anchorage Daily News has broken a story that adds another scandal to the growing list of scandals that have plagued this administration, and shines the light on Alaska’s very own health care crisis. Demer’s story centers on the horrendous condition of the Alaska’s state programs that are designed to help its most vulnerable citizens, the elderly and disabled.

          The situation is so bad the federal government has forbidden the state to sign up new people until the state makes necessary improvements. [snip]

          The moratorium is expected to last four or five months. State officials estimate about 1,000 Alaskans will be affected.

          A particularly alarming finding concerns deaths of adults in the programs. In one 2 1/2 year stretch, 227 adults already getting services died while waiting for a nurse to reassess their needs. Another 27 died waiting for their initial assessment, to see if they qualified for help.

          No other state in the nation is under such a moratorium, according to a spokeswoman for the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services.

          There are currently eight lawsuits pending against the state which also rang alarm bells on the federal level.

          Doctors and other health care providers wrote to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid with concerns that the state wasn’t responsive. Some alleged that the lack of state controls “has resulted in the death(s) of the active clients,” the federal review said.

          While the people served are frail and suffer from chronic health issues, the state never investigated to determine if any failure in service contributed to the deaths, the federal review found.

          “Thus, if someone passed away because a (personal care assistant) did not show up, for example, there was no indication this would have been reported or investigated,” the report said.

          The state plans to start doing fatality reviews.

          The state plans to start doing fatality reviews?

          So, it would appear, since we are the only state where the situation is bad enough to require federal intervention that the administration has had its mind on other things. We know, of course, that the governor has been busy with her farewell tour, flying all over the state and signing bills and doing little shout outs and quotes of the day on her twitter account, and getting ready to become a full-time celebrity.

          But what about health? What have been, and what currently are the administrations top priorities on matters of health and human services? It’s obviously not the care and well-being of our vulnerable seniors, so what is it?

          The administration is spending an awful lot of time on the upcoming ballot initiative that will address parental notice and consent for anyone under the age of 18 who is seeking to terminate a pregnancy. Here is the initiative language with recent changes in language underlined. parental20involvement20initiative1

          Two years ago, the Alaska Supreme Court on a 3-2 ruling said that a parental consent law was unconstitutional because it transferred the right to make such an important decision to a parent or a judge. They also stated that a parental notification law, however, might be constitutional.

          Although she stated she’d like to take this on personally, Palin, under the advice of her attorney, took a step back.

          “I got a preliminary opinion from Law (Department) just giving me a heads up that critics would certainly file an ethics charge against me if I were to sponsor an initiative,” she said. “So though I maintain I have First Amendment rights just as any other citizen does, I won’t flirt with the notion of giving critics more ammunition to keep filing wasteful ethics charges against me, but instead I’ll volunteer to be the first signature.”

          There go those critics again, demanding ethics. And there goes the governor again, not quite understanding the first amendment, or the ethics act.

          Planned Parenthood, recognizing that a girl who doesn’t want to tell her parents she’s pregnant, or fill out paperwork to get time off from school to go stand before a judge in superior court and convince him or her that she is mature and intelligent enough to make decisions about her own reproductive health, might just take the situation in to her own hands.

          Girls researching self-induced abortion on the Internet could find all kinds of bad advice, said Clover Simon, Executive Director of Planned Parenthood.

          In the week prior to Sarah Palin’s hurried announcement that she’d be stepping down as the governor of the state, a new scandal was brewing on the horizon. It didn’t get as much publicity as some of the other numerous Palin scandals, in part because everyone became preoccupied with her resignation.

          The fact that a frightened teen who doesn’t want to become a parent might do what others have done and just try to Google her way out of her predicament may have crossed the mind of Beverly Wooley, the state’s public health director, who was scheduled to appear before the legislature on this issue. She stated, earlier this month that she was forced out of her position, largely due to differences between her and the governor on the parental involvement issue.

          Wooley said she also intended to answer questions from legislators and said she would rely on data, not anyone’s personal beliefs. Whether she personally agreed with the governor is beside the point, Wooley said.

          She intended to refer to studies from states that already had passed similar legislation, she said. Some of the research shows that, with parental involvement requirements, girls tend to get abortions later in their pregnancy, which is riskier and more expensive, she said. Other research shows fewer girls get abortions, which abortion foes like Palin likely would applaud.

          And while Palin says she “will not hesitate to speak up in support of Alaska’s daughers,” her concern does not seem to extend to Alaska’s daughters whose parents are literally dying from neglect because of budget cuts and mismanagement. The “culture of life” seems to have an expiration date that our seniors have passed. And left out are Alaska’s daughters who will choose not to talk to their parents, and take matters in to their own hands rather than submit to the emotional stress, embarrassment and legal wranglings of convincing a judge that they were abused, or the victim of incest, or just not ready to be a parent.

          By all indications Lt. Governor Sean Parnell, who is set to take the helm of state on July 26th will have his work cut out for him. His predecessor has left him quite a mess. Where will his priorities lie?

      • Norm

        Sarah is probably a nice person. She kind of reminds of EllieMay Clampett of the old Beverley Hillbillies TV show (circa 1960′s for you newbies). I agree she’s a hypocrite and intellegence isn’t one of her strong suits.
        On Friday she blurted out her first hysterical hyperbole since quitting her job. Distilling the entire 1,000-page health care reform proposal into two syllables, “evil,” she warned her 700,000 Facebook friends that if health care reform comes from this administration, it would mean government-decreed death sentences for disabled children and old folks.
        Be afraid. Be very afraid.
        The scenario she paints would indeed be evil, but it’s just bad fiction. There is no truth to it. President Obama addressed this directly saying, “Nobody is going to be forcing you to make a set of decisions on end-of-life care based on some bureaucratic law in Washington.” And factcheck.org has also denied these false euthanasia claims.

        • Martin

          Norm…So President Obama addressed this directly…duh….and you believed him? That is exactly why this doof is in the White House. Too many people took him at his word. HE IS A LIAR! He and his ilk will say anything to get their way. Stop drinking the kool aid. Geez why won’t this country WAKE UP!

        • American Citizen

          Norm, you are a fool if you believe Obama. Because this bill is not specific, the bureaucrats will make the rules. Congress proposes, bureaucrats disposes. If anyone reading the bill can come to those conclusions, so can the bureaucrats.

          Anything not specifically in the bill can be taken to any length. Why should we see a doctor 5 times a year to discuss end of life issues. We’ve already done that with a lawyer and written our wills, both probate and living.

          The details of this bill have not been written, only the proposals. The devil is in the details.

        • Oscar Goldman

          Martin and American Citizen,
          Where do you get your information? Please share it with us.
          See Norm, this is the kind of people that the insurance companies are counting on. Just like these two. Not very bright but very Gullible and easily controled by the media like Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck.
          The amazing thing is that these same people are probably the first ones to shout don’t take my medicare away and sign up for unemployment if they lose their job.
          Now think about it, If government really wanted to kill you off when you hit a certain age wouldn’t they have been doing it by now? I mean we’ve had medicare since the 60′s. Why do we spend so much on medicare to keep our elderly living if the goal is to kill them off.
          You really got to stop watching Fox News and get all the facts folks.

      • Billy Wells

        Roger,

        I agree with you somewhat. The programs you talk about are draining our wealth away. But the programs were made with good intensions. We have had social programs working well for a long time. Social Security and Medicare. People shout they don’t want government healthcare but then shout to leave their medicare alone. Duhhhhhhhhh.
        The problem is free loaders. Welfare has become a way of life for so many. Programs like that need to be revised. We reward people for not working. I have know some single mothers who have applied for welfare. They were told to quit their job and then they could receive benifits. Now that’s just wrong. My friends only wanted a little extra help not full time hand outs. But so many will jump right in and say oh boy free money and be than happy to quit a job in order to get money for nothing. This is what is wrong with America. There is no desire to work hard to earn things. Everything is how much can get and how little do I have to do to get it.
        This is also true of business owners. Rather than work hard to build a company to earn money they would rather buy one only to break it up and sell the pieces and make money. What happened to our great inventors such as Henry Ford, Thomas Edison and Alexandra Graham Bell? We don’t have people like that in America. Greed has consumed us. It has taken over our lives. What can I get and how little do I have to do to get it? Drug dealers can make millions simply by selling illegal drugs, then go and collect a welfare check on top of it. These are the things that are wrong. The programs were designed to help and keep people from living on the streets. But it’s greed and laziness that have destroyed them.

        • DaveH

          Billy,
          Remember “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”. I’m not religious, but I think that it makes sense.
          The problem lies in the fact that we can’t expect someone (politician or bureaucrat) who is not even related to us, to care about us like we care about ourselves. If we don’t care enough about ourselves to stay in school, get good grades, seek good employment, work hard, etc., then can we realistically expect someone else to take care of us? The more middle-men we employ (government) the more money is going to be wasted. Our forefathers set up a great system of individual responsibility and limited government and we have let it go.

    • Claude

      This is what you get for wanting a change and voting for Obama.

      • Billy Wells

        And please tell me, how would the other guy have handled it? In true Republican fashion he would have ignored it.

    • Martin

      Helen…This is my opinion….I don’t believe that you can truely be a Christian and be a democrat. If you believe in their platform…it kinda puts you on one side or the other. Good or evil….pick one.

      • IRAQI WAR VETERAN

        I agree 100%. You cannot be saved and condone the millions of babies being murdered through your parties stance. Did you know Obama voted in favor of a bill which allowed doctors to set a baby aside to die, of it escaped an abortionist’s intentions!! This is a member of a party you support… and call yourself a christian Helen? I encourage you to do more research on your democratic leaders. Dan Healy

        • Foolpatrol

          melinda Reply:

          August 10th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

          If the care offered to Native Alaskans is as poor as the care provided to Native Americans you are offering an extremely poor example of government run health care! My sister in law is a missionary on a reservation in N.M. and the care our government gives our natives is so bad most have rotten teeth! Even getting a broken bone set is an ordeal. I doubt very much that the Palin’s are on the Alaskan Indian health care plan, but if they are I hope they have purchased supplemental insurance for their family1

          Foolpatrol Reply:

          August 10th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

          If it’s good enough for her beloved Alaskans, why isn’t it good enough for Sarah ‘give me free, it’s not my fault, what’s in it for me’ Palin?

          Depends on whether the recipient of the medical treatment is on a rural isolated reservation, igloo, or in close proximity to healthcare providers and services. Same is true for underserved rural areas with few doctors. Also depends on how we value the lives and health of human beings, all human beings. Funny how we demand that eveyone is born and after birth, some can’t get a cavity filled or a broken bone set, isn’t it?

          You also can’t be saved and allow 46 Million Americans to go without basic healthcare and lifesaving treatment!

        • Foolpatrol

          Pick one?

          We already did on November 4, 2008.

          We picked the side committed to work to reducing the number unintended pregnancies thereby reducing the number of abortions!

          We picked the side committed to providing basic healthcare to all Americans so that born human beings can be free from unnecessary pain and suffering!

          We picked a side that values the born as well as the unborn!

          We picked a side that understands that womens’ healthcare decisions are between God, women and doctors!

      • Smilee

        Martin Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 6:25 pm AND
        IRAQI WAR VETERAN Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

        Martin & IRAQ WAR VETERAN

        Sorry to disappoint you but I’m both a Christian and a Democrat, the fact you are incapable of understanding this does not make you assessment correct. Democrat platform favors pro choice with abortion they do not condone abortion, That is we believe that God not man should deal with this issue as it is beyond mans ability to do so due to the fact of the many different medical conditions that can go with this issue and it is better left between God and the woman and not the government and the woman. After all, all man can do when they make a law against something is to gain the right to punish the perpetrators we are comfortable with leaving that to God and trust him to do the right thing.

        • DaveH

          Smiley,
          Don’t tell anyone, but I agree with you on this point. It is the woman’s body at risk. Only she should be making that decision. I do think, however, that our argument becomes much muddier when the baby is viable outside the womb.
          At some point that fetus becomes a citizen and therefore eligible to be protected from death at the hands of others. I personally think the baby is better off dead than to be raised by people who don’t want him/her. Of course, if there are adoptive parents waiting in the wings and there is no birth risk to the mother, then why would the mother want an abortion?
          I do have a free-market solution to this dilemma (wait a minute, I’m getting on my protective armor). Why not allow the parent to sell their baby instead of aborting it? For many women that would offset the risk of death during birthing. Personally, I would rather be raised by a family that wanted me enough to pay for me than to be raised by a family that was forced to keep me.

        • http://aol Don

          First, there are 2 Dons on this sight. Second, Palin has it that when a girl gets raped in Alaska, she has to pay for her own rape kit out of her own pocket. Shouldn’t we have empathy and include a rape kit, but I shouldn’t be asking guys anymore than we should be asking guys about abortions?

      • Norm

        Martin
        Your assumption that Christian = good is pure conjecture.
        While left wing Democrats live on fantasy island, I think their motives are generally good. It’s the extremist right wing (born again and again) Republicans that can approach the level of evil.

      • Billy Wells

        Martin,
        Your reply to Helen, All I can say is,

        OMG! That is just Bull! You are probably the one that is truely not a Christian because you hate Democrats, you hate Gays, You hate Muslims, you hate anyone that doesn’t share your warped thoughts.
        Democrats generally care about everyday people. They want to help people succeed and thus the programs of Welfare and Social Security and Medicare. Republicans on the other hand step back and say fend for yourself because we don’t care what happens as long as the rich folks keep getting richer to keep our bribes coming in.
        A Democrat can’t be Christian. I just love you so called born agains. I think you’ll be surprised some day.

        • Martin

          Hey Billy boy…sounds to me like you are the hater. I didn’t say I was a Christian or a republican or born again or white or any other thing. I said in my opinion you can’t be a Christian and a democrat (really believing in the democrat platform). I think you are thinking of the democrats of yesteryear not the Nancy Pelosis and Harry Reids of this evil bunch of b**tards.

        • Billy Wells

          What is the Democrat platform? If you’re going to bring it up explain to me what it is. Do tell me.
          So you’re telling me that in this nation where most people claim to be Christian that all those that are registered Democrat are not Christians? So my next door neighbor is not Christian? The person that works next to me is not Christian? FDR was not a Christian? JFK, another one, not a Christian?
          And tell me, what exactly makes Nancy Polisi and Harry Reid, and me not Christian? Tell me I’d like to know.

        • DaveH

          Billy,
          Ask and you shall receive (the Democratic Party Platform):

          http://www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.html

        • Oscar Goldman

          David H
          Thank you for the link, however you didn’t see anything that says or makes me think evil.
          Let’s see a few you might like,
          Combat terrorism
          Secure the Homeland
          Win in Afganistan
          Good jobs with good pay
          Consumer protection
          Fiscal Responsiblity
          Prevent Iran from aquiring nuclear weapons
          Stronger Cyber Security
          Expand the armed forces
          Rebuild the military for 21st century Tasks
          Do right by our veterans
          Lift burdons on our troops and their families
          Lead in Asia
          and the list goes on and on. Yes, these are all very evil programs and there’s no way anyone that believes in these ideas could ever be a Christian.
          Or am I missing something?

    • http://google Leslie

      Isn’t the term, conservative democrate an oximoron first of all? Our children are slipping because of teachers who don’t know how, or don’t care enough to bring the best out of our children.. My father retired at 45 from an very good executive possition and became a teacher. He had so much respect for them until he became one himself. You see he really did wand to educate our young people. In fact he paid for the wedding of one of his students that got pregnant if you graduated. She did and he did!. For those teachers out there that go that extra mile, God bless you, for the ones in it for the 9 months and summers off……we really don’t need you. The government is taking over everthing. Are we going to let them take over our education…What happened to teaching Geography, Social Study’s American History etc.! Most kids don’t even know where Iran or Iraq is!!!! As for Obama, well, my Mama taught me,” If you can’t say something nice say nothing at all”

    • http://GUNControlisGovtControl homer

      Ms Owen, you said you were a teacher, and you said you were a conservative democrat and then you said republicans are hypocrits.I am not sure what kind of teacher you were but may I call your attention to the “words” and to the republic for which it stands’ Now the “republic” we speak of is in fact the U.S.A. A republican form of govt is a govt in which that nation is a nation w/a govt that is based upon “GOD”S” never changing word” and yet a democracy is a govt based upon peoples rights, which we all know, change constantly.So When you call republicans Hypocrits you had better look at a form of govt that is based upon change and then remember that the bible says that we are to not be given to anyone given to change, incliding the man who ran on a platform based upon change! Thanks for listening. Bruce

    • Foolpatrol

      Exhibit A Republican Hypocracy

      Palin Pulls another Palin!

      “Palin is lecturing on death panels?
      What about the 250 that died waiting to the assessed/reassessed for services.
      The federal government had to shut the program for elderly and disabled down. Did she fix it; no she quit and went to New York meet with her publishers.”

      reprinted from ADN comments

    • James

      Helen, if memory serves the subject here is about the constitutional limits of the federal government’s power. Certain powers were delegated to it in Article I, Section 8, and beyond that the national government has no power. Then to assure that the feds would not misconstrue their powers, to include rights, the people added the Bill of Rights. This bill of don’ts starts with “Congress shall make no law respecting…” five rights. Then “the right to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” etc. The 9th Amendment says this restrictive theme on federal power applies to all rights, whether enumerated therein or not, and the 10th Amendment reminds Congress that powers not delegated to them in the Constitution are reserved to the States, or to the people.

      Congress gets around that by offering states and people monetary handouts, with strings attached which then obligates the recipient to kowtow to the feds. It’s a Ponzi scheme supreme, the feds tax the people then offer some of it back, if the recipient willl submit to federal regulation. If schools accept federal ‘free lunches’ they submit to federal control over what is taught. If one college student accepts federal tuition aid, that college must then obey federal race rules. Etc.

      • bazdmeg

        Well put James, thats exacly it.
        free money money money, it can buy votes, states, friendships, and all else.
        The federal goverment has for decades did’nt have the
        backing for even 10% of fed IOU’s/,tokens /coupons or
        whatever they wish to call “money” or the US “dollar”, so
        they just crank up the presses and print billions of paper
        to pass off as “money”
        This enables them to get away with what they got away with, by simply adding a few million or a few hundred million to demands for extra “powers” or “control” to the
        majority of lily livered state “officials” PATHETIC !!
        BUT it”s a great PONZI that enables everyone for awhile
        to get free things and live beyond their means.
        Try Googling “Silent weapons for Quiet Wars” it’s an
        eye opening how to for the control of a Nation .

      • DaveH

        James,
        Well said. And therein lies the problem. I think 90% of the people in this country would have a fit if they knew all the pies that the Federal Government has its fingers in. As I have said before, I fully expect this country (due to lack-of-knowledge and greed on the voters part) to continue to witness an ever-expanding government until it totally collapses. Once that happens, there is little hope for most of us, as the usual case after a collapse is some form of dictatorship.
        I seriously hope I am wrong on this prediction.

        • Oscar Goldman

          What kind of car do you drive? That may seem like a dumb question, but do you look for a car that is safe? One with airbags and seat belts and such? Do you know that these safty features are mandated by the Government? Yup, they make sure the cars out on the road today have certain safty features in them to keep you safe. What about the FDA, think back to your history classes about the meat packing plants in the 1920′s. How bad conditions were then. Rumors of fingers and stuff being ground into meat. You know thanks to government regulations and unions we don’t have to worry as much about the meat we eat and the fdrugs we take. Now way back when the constitution was written they didn’t even think of suck issues. If you got sick, you died, or maybe not if you were lucky. In the Victorian days they gave you cocain if you got sick. Made you feel better, but didn’t cure anything. Yes the Government has it’s had in most things in our lives, that is true. But you have to admit most of it works out for the general population of the country.

        • DaveH

          Oscar,
          I drive safely. That is the most important thing of all. All the safety features in the world can’t replace that. This may sound funny to you, but I used to buy the World Almanac every 5 years to check and see if all the safety mandates were saving lives. But I gave that up with 1997 being the last year, because I had to cut my expenses (having a hard time due to illness) so I gave up on the quest. So, maybe things have changed since then. But from 1982 (about the time seat belts became mandatory) to 1997 there was no statistically significant change in the number of automobile deaths per 100000 people in this country.
          Now, for sure, maybe this is because people are driving more recklessly because they think they are safer. Whatever the case, we have lost freedom for little if any gain in safety.
          Are you aware of the number of children whose have been decapitated by airbags? Oh, I know, they should be in the back seat in car carriers. But then what happens when the side airbags are mandatory? Do they ride in the trunk? I have seen many mothers talking to the children in the backseat while they are driving (and not watching the road in the process). This is safer? And it’s interesting that a man could sue a lawn-mower manufacturer who had no control over the man’s stupid action because he picked up a rotary mower to trim his hedge and lost some fingers. But the mothers and fathers couldn’t sue the government which actually ordered air-bags in cars when their children were decapitated. And they represent us? Give me a break.
          Yes, our intrusive government is doing something beneficial for me. I am so sick of being treated like a subject that I now am not afraid of death. Thank you Liberals.
          No, I don’t have to admit it works for the general population. As neither you nor I know that answer. All I know is that I’ve lost about $1,000 to thieves during my life, and about $400,000 to the government during that same period. Gee, let me weigh the benefits.
          And if the Constitution is outdated, as Smilee so aptly argued, we can change it. Meanwhile, until that happens, you and your ilk are breaking the law.

        • James

          Dave, I think 90% of the people in this country are having fits the media just isn’t reporting it. Tea Parties are on the increase, but they aren’t throwing British tea into Boston Harbor, they are complaining about federal misuse of its powers – whether they realize that or not. The problem is most Americans don’t know we are a Republic (Art. IV, Sec. 4), they believe we are a Democracy where the federal government has power to do whatever the most people want, and the feds love it. First comes Democracy, then Socialism, then add police power and we have Communism. FDR started us on that path and Obama will complete it.

    • david

      well well things are really out of hand and a lot is misunderstood for one you can not be a true democrat and a christian the reason is democrats believe in all that is against God and for you SMILEE go back and read the constitution the courts made the ruling because they themselves do not even understand the constitution or our forfathers beliefs for your information the constitution was founded and wrote from the book of DEUTERONOMY so i would say to you our forfathers are rolling over in their graves with what we have become. I nation that turns it’s back on God will be destroyed unless it turns from it’s evil ways and America right not does not care about God or there fellow brother it does not matter what race we are we are all AMERICANS and if you do not believe in it then our forfathers work of leaving England to worship as a free nation was in vain and if you do not believe in the road map that God has put forth for us to follow as a nation then i surely will pray for you and that is to all others that think we do not need pray or God in our lives. I am not forcing anyone to believe as i do but do not take away my rights as a christian as you have already done. Pray is school did not hurt the school or students or saying the pledge to our flag i would bet you that over 50% of the people and even students today can not even say the pledge to the flag and i for one that is a veteran of this great nation is heart torn because of the lack of respect our nation has for itself WAKE UP AMERICA AND TURN FROM YOU EVIL WAYS AND GOD WILL SURLY BLESS THIS NATION AGAIN

      • Smilee

        david

        I respect your opinions and that is all your post is comprised of as it is totally devoid of any facts therefore I still conclude you are dead wrong and are driven by your biases and not reality.

    • Dickie

      Helen, All my children are grown now, So I called my children to see if their children had a teacher named Helen, And think’s to GOD they don’t,I was so releved, Because if you were as smart as you think you are, You would have tryed to read this crap, Your Hussein obama along with pelosi,reid,murthar, & franks, Just apart of the scoundrel’s,That is in the BIG HOUSE, But I guess you think GOD is for abortion,Or want’s your politician to help you die,Or just give you the cheap meds,You don’t have to believe me,Just READ! it for yourself, BE SMART, And not so DAMN ARROGANT, STOP WATCHING THE GOVERMENT OWN MEDIA,Because the MASS.-TENN, State run health-care has FELL,And why the goverment thugs will BE own a different health-care plan, Ask your great leader,You are no more than a puppet,And a failure as a teacher,So why don’t you look for yourself, Or are you scard you might learn something.I do pray to GOD for people like you, So maybe you will open your eye’s, And not alli.

      • James

        Dickie, if Helen were smart, why would she have tried to read ‘crap’? (Tried is spelled with an “i”.)

    • http://aol.com Dolores

      I agree that America has changed; however, if we didn’t have the Federal Government intervening in major things, Afro-Americans would still be slaves, schools would still be segregated, job opportunity wouldn’t prevail, Sonia wouldn’t have stood a chance of being a Supreme Court Judge, Barack O’Bama would haave been assassinated while campaigning as the Conservatives Republicans still want him dead, and, there’s news media people like you that want him out of office. America has become a hated nation across the world due to the Bush Administration and their policies and the Republican Party is a party of professionnal Klu Klux Klansmen. This country was left in a horrible financial status and because the president hasn’t been able to give White America instant jobs that were taken by the Republican Party, there’s hatred for him. We went to war and took millions of dollars to support Bush’s war that should have been used to support Americans at home. Saddam was a tyrant, but, he kept Iran under control. We now have to worry about Iran becoming a Nuclear Terrorist Country and America being its prime target. We support Israel, and well we should, but, Israel is a terror over in the Middle East and America supports everything it does, even when they have been wrong for killing children and elders just as the terrorists have been wrong for killing Israel’s children and elders. Let’s be fair and just when we speak of the Constitution and realize that we haven’t adhered to it either or we wouldn’t have had the trouble we have in our states. The southern states are still hate mongers as a whole against everyone that’s not White and some of the mid-west are just as bad. We still have a long ways to go and I’m glad that the Federal Government has reign over the states or everyone but the white Male and his female would be in a slave’s position. I’m a Christian, a born-again Christian and I see the real truth. We are a nation that kills their unborn infants, gives drugs to the ones we consider undesirable to watch them kill off each other so we can sit back and be judgmental. Sundays are the most segregated day of the week. We all go our individual churches and most of the so called Conservative Religions assent to the implications of a God, but, don’t really believe he’s a God for all of mankind. We have the most violent, sexually exploited shows on television, and our news media thrives on the violence that overcomes America. We have all kinds of religions in this country based on religious freeedom, with Christianity being constantly attacked and all other forms being considered okay or right. We don’t follow the concept of Innocent until proven guilty; we’re just the opposite, guilty until we can find a good mouth-piece that can lie for us even if we’re guilty. We are a part of Bush Senior’s New World Order and we didn’t have any choice in getting involved as it was thrust upon us. The bad thing is that most Americans as a whole hve no real idea of what that is including myself. We try to live off our past reputation as a world leader. If you know anything about the Bible, you will find that America is probably destroyed in the Book of Revelation becuse she is described as the whore who sits between two waters. It hurts me to see and know all of these horrible things about this country as God made this country a country of multiple colors to show the rest of the world that all of his mankind can and are living together as brothers. We are all of the Human Race and of one blood in Christ Jesus, but, you better believe there’s an element of Conservatives that will kill rather than have that as being a part of them. If Jesus were to come to this earth today, He would be killed again by this group as they believe in traditions and not reality. Traditions have their place but Godliness is more important. Tell the Racial Hatreds that; especially FOX CABLE NEWS that espuses hatred all day every day. Their commentators are Evil Personified.

      • jbird

        Wow, Dolores, it’s difficult to know where to begin responding to your rant. I don’t know where you get your information, but you need to broaden your education. You are so misguided it seems you must spend all day watching CNN. I will address this mischaracterization: I’m 50 years old and have lived in Alabama all my life. We are not the racist hate-mongers you describe. Were there race problems and segregation and church bombings in the 60s? Absolutely. It was a dark time in our history. However, I and people my age and younger were young children or not even yet born when those things happened. We had nothing to do with it. Those who did are now dead or totally irrelevant. We live in communities with people of all colors. People of color attend our churches, some of our neighbors are interracial couples. We work with and for people of all nationalities. The south isn’t any different from the rest of America (except for long lingering stereotypes that define those who believe them as bigots against southerners because they have no basis in fact). We love God, love our families, love, respect and help our neighbors. And we love our country. However, some of us understand what the Constitution says and why and how it was written and believe the government should follow it. When we see it overreach we get angry and we support candidates who say they want to reign it in. I’d love for you to come to Alabama and see what a beautiful place it is, and how strangers on the street greet you with a smile and say “Hi, how’s it going.” How men open doors and stand aside for women. How our children say yes sir and yes ma’am. After you’ve visited I think you’d have a little different idea about the South. In the interest of brevity I’ll save a response to the rest of your nonsense for another day.

    • Ronnie Elliott

      Well as a teacher YOU should been keeping up with all the other wrons that have been going on in USA for the last 90 yrs as well.Of Course they dont show all that we have to get on the internet and Turn their Paid for Media off,We all need to be Screamming Conspiracy & Treason!When a President gives our country over to any other political agenda such as socialist,fascist,communist,then to me that is an act of Treason which I can see that several have over the past 90 years and been getting away with it because of the Ones behind the scenes,that pull these little puppets strings! They are in fact the MONEY CHANGERS of the World ,Like the whold list of them in the presidents cabinet all in the Bilderberg Group,The Trilateral Commision,the CFR,All with the Federal Reserves ,World banking Cartel and the Central Bank,United Nations members (not all ) They have this One World Goverment & Currency Plan they want to put in,Which means their will be no more Constitution of the UNITED STATES !They are trying to make ammendments to the Tenth ammendment also so the states cann’t refuse !So all that are Involved in this PLOT to Overthrow our goverment by controling our Economy and Bankrupting it,and putting all these ILLEGAL LAWS & ACTS in need to be Tried for TREASON TO AMERICA ! Which is ALL of us that are still Defending our Constitution ! We all Pledged alegence to that Flag and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands !We didn’t make any Pledges to the Goverment that We CREATED !Well except in the constitution where we LIMIT their ability to Expand & break laws !So Yes we all do need to UNITE AND DO IT in a PEACABLE matter as we can,Howeveer when it comes down to it Remember what OUR country has always done WE FIGHT till the Death to defend it !Don’t let these RICH SNOBS scare us ! they are really all a bunch of panzies hiding in the shadows and hopeing they can use their Puppets to sway us along with their PAID FOR MEDIA,using Brainwashing and doing it with using our Reptilian brain function !So always stay away from Media that is behind these people and not for the PUBLIC !For Real Americans! Because they are all part of the ONE WORLD GOVERMENT PLAN ! YELL LOUD AND PROUD ! tell every one and get emails to our Congress Demand Action or we the PEOPLE WILL March on the Front lawn and FIRE the Bunch of them and all that are in this TREASON & Conspiring to KILL & STEAL from the Whole World ! TRUTH JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY .TOGETHER WE STAND UNITED AGAINST all that Tread on our RIGHTS & Constitution !Both Foriegn & domestic !I swore and Oath as a Marine & I will stand behind it till My death !They aren’t standing behind the same Oath the Swore to when taking office !!! They have begun to think they are GODS & we are their SERVANTS !RICH SNOBS is all they really are and their numbers are few Compared to OURS !they just want US to think they can make us do it their way or they will IMPLODE our Economy !Well They cann’t If they are in PRISONS ! SO DEMAND JUSTICE & Stiffer penalities for TREASON !For Conspiracy & Theif of Our Economy !Our Gold & Silver !Demand they Seize the Records of the Federal Reserve Bank !Find those trillions and Who got the Payoffs & then Lock them all up !!!!!

    • Tina

      “I am FOR ALL AMERICANS. I AM A CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT. THE REPUBLICANS ARE A BUNCH OF HYPORCRITES..”

      Dear Helen, are you trying to say that only Republicans are hypocrites? It seems to me that the Democrats should not throw stones when they live in glass houses. The sitting Democratic Congress are some of the biggest hypocrites I have ever heard in my 57 years of life. That is not to say that the Republicans are any better. They all need to stop the spin cycles and listen to what the people want. I don’t know who will be in control of Congress when elections come around, but I do know that the Democrats are really messing up right now and “We the People” are angry. We all have had enough of the dual hypocrisies. The change we expected is not a bunch of self serving hypocrites that are using of constitution for toilet paper. Nor did we expect the change to include socialism as a way of life. All Americans must get off their duffs and take back the control before it is too late for us all. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!

    • ashforkdan arizona

      How is it that they all know how many illegals are here but there isn’t any problem with the border. lets round them up and make them build the fence. if they know how many mexicans crossed then i would really like to know how many hamas / yemens/ pakastanies/ chineese /north koreans /afganies /iragies you get the picture all of his broes have been crossing every day but nothing is being said about the sleeper cells there the real problem its only a matter of national security and they refuse to reconize it for what reason maybe they need another attack on US soil so they can take more of your rights away all that is needed to declare marshal law is an attack again and congress will be dimissed for a period of six months and barry becomes a dictator and makes all the rules that he cant pass now

  • Margie

    If the teacher who is a conservative democrat would please read the platform of the democratic party, she would quickly realize there is no such thing as a conservative, christian democrat. It goes against everything in our Constitution, including life, liberty and ownership of property (pursuit of happiness). Wake up teachers and get out of the NEA – you’re being brain-washed.

    • Foolpatrol

      Why is there no such thing, because you say so? And anyone who dares to profess Christ and doesn’t walk in lock step with you must be wrong because you have a lock on the faith?

      Here’s a little lesson for you Marg, there are many Christian Democrats, some conservative. Their beliefs come right from the Bible, the inspired word of God, and is in line with our founding documents or the corrected versions of those documents.

      Racial Justice

      • Christianity requires us to strive to end discrimination and ensure that all races enjoy an equal opportunity to make the most of their God-given potential.
      • Culture powerfully shapes who we are. Christ calls us to value one another’s differences, not just tolerate them.
      • Each generation of Americans has been transformed by the contributions made by immigrants. A Christian immigration policy should honor those contributions while affirming our common humanity.

      Economic Justice

      • The budget is a moral document. It defines the set of values that govern us as a nation.
      • Christ calls all nations to promote the common good by giving a hand-up to those who are in need. Indeed, all nations will ultimately be judged on how they treat the most vulnerable members of society (Matthew 25:31-45).
      • A Christian worldview calls us to put the lowly first and humble the mighty.

      Creation Care

      • We are called, as Christians, to be faithful stewards of God’s creation — the land, the air, the water, the atmosphere, and the other creatures with which we inhabit the earth.
      • Global warming uniquely threatens God’s creation and, indeed, life itself. There can be no excuse for delay; the time for action is now.
      • Our government’s lack of action has contributed not only to the degradation of God’s creation, but also to our dependence on Middle East oil, the decline of local and family farming, and the exacerbation of poverty.

      Religion and the Law

      • The Constitution’s first amendment requires freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Our government must neither silence nor coerce religious expression.
      • Keeping the government out of organized religion is meant to strengthen the practice of religion, not weaken it.
      • Jesus recognized the distinction between religion and government when he said, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” (Mark 12:13-17; Matthew 22:15-22 and Luke 20:20-26)

      Family and Culture

      • Strong families require a society that looks after the common good and promotes economic opportunity instead of leaving families to fend for themselves.
      • Almost everyone agrees on the need for reducing the number of abortions, including most of those who believe abortion should be legal. Reduction and prevention should be the focus of our nation’s abortion policy.
      • Homosexuality is and will remain a controversial subject in the Christian community. But gays should not be scapegoats for the numerous serious threats that American families and children face.

      War & Peace

      • Christianity calls nations to work together to promote the common good throughout the world.
      • Christians must take seriously Jesus’ call to love one another, including the stranger and even our enemies. This means that military force should only be used as a last resort to defend ourselves or the human rights of others.
      • Americans who want to be part of God’s “city on a hill” (Matthew 5:14) must demand that our nation restore its moral standing in the world.
      • The war in Iraq fails all of the above tests: nations aren’t working together, force wasn’t a last resort, and the U.S. has lost its moral standing in the world.

      FaithfulDemocrats.Com.

      • DaveH

        Man-Made Global Warming is nothing more than a liberal fabrication to enable further growth of Big Government. There are so many books out there that refute the so-called science of Global Warming. You need to get educated on that subject instead of buying into the liberal propaganda.
        In the late 70s, early 80s the liberals were coming up with all sort of schemes to save us from the energy crisis (caused by government regulation). They were pushing Unsightly Wind Generators, alternative fuels such as ethanol, and other uneconomical schemes. Of course, these uneconomical approaches weren’t adopted in a free market environment. So, I believe they jumped on the Global Warming bandwagon to force their alternative energy ideas on an unwilling public.
        Al Gore, one of the prime movers of the Global Warming, stands to get rich from his alternative energy investments if Cap and Trade is passed.

        • Richard

          Thank you! Thanks for your great effort of showing us what Christ actually stood for and in which senses Christianity is equally Democratic and Republican.
          The great truths uttered by Christ have become so distorted and perverted by the “modern” transators and interpreters, better know as the “clergy”, that they have largely succeeded in pulling us down into the the same darkness and ignorance they find themselves in.
          Thanks again for reminding us of the eternal values and principles taught us ONLY BY CHRIST’S WORDS THEMSELVES not those confused “modern thinking” people who apparently believe Christ’s Wisdom can be got through their heads only but all too often forget about their hearts.

        • Martin

          Right on brother about global warming…or as they like to call it…climate change. Just a money and power grab. Just like everything else in DC.

        • Ronnie Elliott

          Right on ! Plus the HUGE Chemical Companies & Liquor companies along with Tobacco companies & others back the Laws to make Hemp Illegal in the USA when it was Better than all the stuff they sell ! Hemp is one of the best crops any country can produce.It gives Better fiber,and 4 times more Pulp than wood or cotton,Yet by making it Illegal they stopped American Farmers & killed off a lot of Jobs & Americas Future !Then the chemicals they use to make pulp and to grow cotton are all BAD ! which they in turn dump in our water supply !They cut down Millions of trees that we need for our world!Polute our air with More Carbon from the Gas & Diesel products that are also full of poisons !Which in the Mean time WE are made to pay tax to support this FALSE FLAG !War on drugs,which is A FRAUD !Look at it and See Who Profits Most ? Has it worked with the 18 Billion a year they put into it of OUR Tax Money? NO !!! Do they ever catch the real People behind the Drugs comming into the USA The Drug Cartel??NO Then they are building these Huge Prisons and giving the little guy More time so the Big Companies can make more off the inprisonment & slavery of them!Who PEOFITS MOST?

      • Michelle

        If you look at the Democrat’s platform, you will clearly see that they support a so-called “woman’s right to choose” abortion. If you are a Christian, you will recall many scripture verses that make it clear God is pro-life, including “Thou shalt not kill” as one of the 10 Commandments.

        • rod james

          Someone! EVERYONE!! BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! Stop bickering about what is and isn’t! Conquer and divide has been used by these same forces for centuries while
          we the people send off our brave sons and daughters to slaughter only make these same one to two percent of the population richer.Take THE FED! Print real federal money! Regulate banking and Wall Street!Outlaw lobbying politicians!Start looking
          for other points of view as opposed to the half truths, distortions and outright lies
          that are Spun in the dailies and TV. FIGHT FOR AMERICA before it is gone and
          only remembered as “The American Dream “

        • Smilee

          Michelle says:
          August 10, 2009 at 11:21 am

          The original language the bible was written in reads in translation as “Thou shalt not murder” some translations today you the word kill but this distorts its real meaning. Murder is the ultimate expression of hatred and has to be present in killing to be in violation of this commandment. There are justifiable reasons to kill and we also have many man made laws that do not make it a crime in this country, self defense, soldiers in war etc. This could be true in some abortions as well. Democrats in their platform support a woman’s right to choose but that is not the same as advocating abortion. We feel God should deal with this complicated issue as it deals with two people one of whom is still a part of the other and dependent on it’s mother for life and because of this complexity we feel man is not equipped to determine if it is murder or justifiable killing and therefore best left up to God to determine. besides making a man made law only gives man the right to punish those they perceive as murders and does not prevent it form happening. The supreme court weather you like it or not has for reasons of privacy says the constitution also does not prohibit it or in any way deals with it per sae but it is the prerogative of the woman.

      • Roger

        Very Clever.
        Jesus also said to give unto Ceaser, …. and give unto your father….
        A very Specific reference to keep separate politics and faith. Faith should drive a persons core belief system. But, an illegal alien is an illegal alien. The Church however, should care for him.
        Be very careful.

      • ChuckL

        Foolpatrol,

        You gave your agenda away with “…and is in line with our founding documents or the corrected versions of those documents. “ Who did the correcting, Marx? Or Lenin? Or Obama?

      • ChuckL

        Foolpatrol,

        You have said a lot that is correct, but your interpretation is in most cases wrong. When the government takes your property, you no longer have the capability to be charitable.

        The dependence on middle eastern oil was not caused by actions other than those of the Democrat Environmentalist who prevented us from using our own oil.

        You are correct on the interpretation of the First Amendment, but you fail miserably on the war in Iraq. We came to the assistance of teh Kuwaitis in regaining their country for them and signed a cease fire in which Saddam Hussein agreed to unfettered inspection of Iraq in a search for weapons of mass destruction. When Saddam Hussein terminated the inspections, he voided the cease fire and justified restarting the fighting. We tried for years, The Bill Clinton years, without result. Had Saddam Hussein not violated his own agreement for a cease fire, there would have been no resumption.

        • Oscar Goldman

          Sounds like a good story except inspectors were actually in Iraq before we starting bombing if memory serves me. Yes Saadam did chase them out a few times but he also let them back in and said repeatedly he di not have any weapons of mass destruction. GW on the hand had plenty.

      • Earlw

        I believe the 1st amendment reads: Congress shall make NO LAW regarding the establishment of religion……..This means neither pro or con…Although from context it does appear that America was founded as a christian nation. The commonly held belief that there is a separation of church and state is found nowhere in the document.

        • Citizen

          Why is it when most people quote the 1st amendment they only use the first part? The second part is just as important if not more so then the first. The 1st amendment read Congress shall make NO LAW respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise there of; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

          The first part address the Government forming a National Government run religion and therefore being able to control the pubic as they did in Europe.

          The second part seams to mean that no laws can be made to stop the free exercise of religion.

          It does not say that you can’t have religious signs, symbols, and prays in public places or Government buildings.

          • http://fcernhart@yahoo.com Marian to Jeffrey Brower

            Your post was very good. I am a retired history teacher 78 yrs who taught the Declaration of Independence to my 7th graders and the Constitution to my 8th graders. That was in the late 50′s and early 60′s. So many Americans know NOTHING and DON’T try to find out. It
            is VERY SAD! Please, any of those who post messages’ read the Constitution that is so generously posted and REFRAIN FROM SCURRILOUS
            WORDS TO OTHERS! If you are indeed Christian, remember that Christ gave his life for the salvation of EVERY soul SO YOU ARE SINING when
            you are unkind to ANYONE whether you agree or not!

        • Norm

          I have ever thought religion a concern purely between our God and our consciences, for which we were accountable to Him, and not to the priests.” –Thomas Jefferson to Mrs. M. Harrison Smith, 1816. ME 15:60

          “Our Constitution… has not left the religion of its citizens under the power of its public functionaries, were it possible that any of these should consider a conquest over the consciences of men either attainable or applicable to any desirable purpose.” –Thomas Jefferson: Reply to New London Methodists, 1809. ME 16:332

          “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.” –Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119

          “[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom… was finally passed,… a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “Jesus Christ,” so that it should read “a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.” The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.” –Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:67

      • Joseph

        Liberal BS at it’s best! What a litany of pure poop.

        Creation Care, “We are called, as Christians, to be stewards of God’s creation — the land, the air, the water, the atmosphere and the other creatures with which we inhabit the earth.” If your “stewardship” includes the unborn babies slaughtered each year just leave me a shovel and a pair of hip waders.

        Or am I confusing that with your Democratic hypocritical hype under the heading of Family and Culture:
        “Almost everyone agrees for the need of reducing the number of abortions.”

        Which is it you two talking moron? No wonder you didn’t want to give your name. I think it’s Barrack Hussein Obama.

        • Oscar Goldman

          You can make abortion illegal, but you won’t stop it. We made murder in general illegal yet people all over the US are murdered every day. We made certain drugs illegal but we still have people taking and selling them. We made steeling illegal but a lot of people get a lot of money by steeling from us. (Look at Madeoff) If you want to stop abortion you can’t simply make it illegal. Those that want it will get it, those that provide it will make a fourtune by providing it illegally. Look ho much a thug drug dealer can make selling cocain and pot. Think how much a skilled doctor will be able to make once you outlaw abortion.
          If you want to stop it you first must find out why people are getting abortions. Dr Tiller performed over 60,000 abortions. That’s alot! But why did so many women choose to do that? Who were they, what was there reason? These are questions you have to ask. Then once you find out the answers to these questions you have to educate the ladies to make sure they don’t get pregnant in the first place. The women have to be responsible because it is their body that everything takes place in and generally men just want to get their pecker wet.
          So you can’t just stand there and shout out STOP ABORTION. You got to find out the reasons behind it. You anti abortion people are lazy. You want to just stand around and hold your signs or let someone kill the abortion doctor for you, but you don’t really want to take steps to actually stop it. You’re lazy and don’t really want to get involved. Yes if you get involved you might actually have to talk to someone evil that wants to have an abortion or someone that already had one.
          I do have a question. If Dr. Tiller did over 60,000 abortions, that means that there were over 60,000 unwanted children. If the mother didn’t want that child, who would pay for it if it was born? Who would pay to feed it, clothe it and send it to school. Now multiply that by 60,000. That’s a lot of Money! Who would end up paying the bill? I don’t want to hear about foster homes and such because those my friends are nothing but socialism. and you are all set against that. Public money being spent to take care of an unwanted kid. Even if the mother keeps the kid but ends up on wellfare, the state is flipping the bill. But you all want to do away with social programs like wellfare, medicare, food stamps, and everything else that will keep that baby alive. So unless you are willing to adopt all those unwanted children and not take any government money for them, you better stop and think. Because on the one hand you say stop abortion, and on the other you say stop socialist programs that will take care of that child if it is unwanted.
          Of course there is another option for the mother, she can always just toss the kid in a dumpster somewhere, problem solved. No kid, no abortion, no problem.
          Think about it.

        • debra

          This is to Oscar Goldman……Oscar who are you?? Are you a govenment spy? Why is it we can not reply back to you? OSCAR? come on tell us who you are..DeBra

        • Billy Wells

          debra
          Feeling a little paronoid there? Oscar Goldman is a actually President Obama spying on what you crazy bloggers write and laughing all the time about how warped you all are. LOL

          • Smilee

            UNBELIEVABLE!!!

      • Jim

        Foolpatrol,
        You sure do like to put your own interpretation as to what Christians are supposed to do for all who need our help. But God never said that people are required constantly to feed, cloth and maintain all who are poor! God requires that we are responsible for our own needs. When Adam and Eve were removed from the garden of Eden, God said that they must earn their way by the sweat of their brow. Now, I ask you, how much sweat is being required of the government supported poor who constantly abuse the privilege of welfare. Also, how many children are being born just so that they can receive medicaid support until they are grown. Is this the just and appropriate way to use a large amount of tax payer money. If you think this is right, then you are bigger fool the most.

        • Foolpatrol

          Defend the poor and the fatherless, do justice to the afflicted and the needy. PSALM 82:3. What you do for the least of them you do unto me. The poor you will have with you ALWAYS!

          I don’t see any cut off points, do you? And of course I’m not referring to slackers but people disadvantaged due to circumtsances beyond their control.

          The purpose of Medicaid is basic medical coverage only. If you believe that people are having children to take them a doctor or hospital, I suggest that you consider seeing a doctor. Or, put the Meth pipe down!

        • Pat

          Right On The bible says if you don’t work you don’t eat!

          • Smilee

            It did but they are not Jesus’s words

      • debra

        Foolproof…..I bet you like to talk to yourself because you think you are so smart. I think they call it delusions of granduer.

      • James

        Foolpatrol, I took exception to your “The Constitution’s first amendment requires freedom of religion, not freedom from religion,” (the first part of your first entry under “Religion and the Law”). The First Amendment starts with “Congress shall make no law respecting…religion,” its sole purpose is to preclude federal law on the subject. That is, it does not require ‘freedom of religion,’ if it did, Congress would be constitutionally bound to make law defining what ‘freedom of religion’ means, and enforce that within the states – the precise thing the amendment was designed to prevent.

      • david

        FOOLPATROL it is so refreshing to know that you read the bible and care to quote from it i have just one problem , who annointed you to say what the bible says and does not say i think you may need to read the whole book and not just parts you want in order to justfy your point of view bcause there is a warth side of God he did tell the nation of Isral what to do about it’s enemies sometimes they obey the Lord and other times they did not and suffered for it so it will be with any nation that does not follow and obey the Lord an doh there is not just 10 commandments as people think there are but much more and what God said he would destroy back then still applies today

        • Smilee

          Are your suggesting he post the whole bible here??, how do you know he has not read it all and even maybe more than once and then picked the applicable passages to make his point here relevant. Can you understand this??????

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Thank you. Well said.

    • Billy Wells

      Margie

      Please post the Democratic platform here for all of to read. I would like to read it, but to be honest I’m too lazy to look it up myself. So since you know where to find it and have read it already please be so kind as to copy and paste it into a blog so that I and other can read it.

      Thank you.

    • DaveH
  • s c

    Those who want a ‘living’ Constitution hate freedom. Recognize them. Call them progressives, fascists, communists or socialists. Some cloak themselves in religion. They have many names. All of them worship evil and power.
    A ‘living’ Constitution will not endure because it has been programmed by evil people to enslave its citizens. A ‘living’ Constitution has no moral compass.
    The Constitution was not created by people who achieved ‘perfection.’ Those Founding Fathers gave us the best government the modern world has ever known. Slowly, America turned its back on the Constitution.
    America let its ‘leaders’ re-interpret the Constitution. As a result, America suffers from a moral disease that is older than recorded history. Haven’t we suffered enough at the hands of evil people? America, you will give your children and their children freedom or slavery. Choose. You can make that decision only once.

    • Susan

      The founding fathers fought against a living constitution. What a living constitution is, is a document that can mean what ever the current power holder wants it to mean to fit what ever they wish to do. Is that not what King George was doing to the Magna Carta [constitution of the British Empire]?

      • Smilee

        Susan Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am

        Then why then did they put in an article with the means to amend it so we could change it when needed and we have done so 27 times since the founding fathers ratified the original. It seem to me if you can change it, it cannot be dead and therefore must be alive, the last amendment was in 1992, an amendment either adds to , subtracts from or changes what the original was, Twenty seven times this has happened and none of these changes where done by the founding fathers. The current constitution is no longer a product completely done by our founding fathers and it was never their intent that it should be. If the meaning of the constitution can be changed then I think it can safely be said it is alive and kicking and I am not sure you know what you mean when you say it is not a living constitution.

        • Susan

          They recognized that they were human and would not be able to predict the future and that they could err. But they hedged very closely the ability to change it. To change it the country needs: 1. to propose the need, 2. to pass it through congress, and 3. to ratify it needs the approval of a super majority of the sovereign states to approve it. This is a lengthy and cumbersome process that builds in a cooling off period to assess the real need for a change. You’ll notice that the majority of the amendments passed prior to the states numbering 30.

        • DaveH

          No, Smiley, the first ten (bill of rights) were enacted within 4 years of the Constitution. So, I think we could safely say that the first ten amendments were done by our “founding fathers”.
          To compare the amendments to a “living document” which generally denotes the concept of “Judicial Activism” is a stretch. It is quite a long process to add an amendment to the constitution, and it is done by elected officials, not appointed officials. It requires 2/3 of each the house and the senate, and 3/4 of the states to ratify each amendment.

          • Smilee

            DaveH says:
            August 11, 2009 at 4:38 pm

            No, Davy

            It was the original constitution that was done by the constitutional congress and they are referred to as the founding fathers and the first ten amendments was done pursuant to Article 4 of the constitution then in law and did not have any judges involved in the process. Just how the hell do you have judicial activism without any judges. as you said it was by elected officials and not judges. “Living document” simply means it can be changed when change is deemed to be needed and this has been done 27 times the last being in 1992 a hell of long cry from the founding father and they intended it to be anything else as they were a aware that changing circumstances and times may require change and they knew full well needed changes could come along that they could not at their time envision, your post convicts you of being quite ignorant if you look at the real facts.

    • DaveH

      Excellent post SC (as usual).

    • Norm

      s.c.
      Does s.c. mean your from South Carolina? Just wondering.

    • steven jeffries

      brother it slavery started at birth that slavery is debt

  • A Former Teacher

    There is no such thing as a conservative democrat it is a contradiction in terms. We do not need a teachers union, we do not need unions. We need to impeach the idiot in the white house before he ruins this country. IMPEACH – IMPEACH – IMPEACH. BEFORE HE RUINS THIS COUNTRY.

    • Also a former teacher

      AMEN!!!!!!!!

    • http://N/A Jim

      It’s hard to have the current president impeached with a Democratic majority in power….

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      I would like him gone, but we cant impeach him yet. The smart thing to do is to vote out all his cronies in 2010 and limit his power, then get rid of him and his left wing liberal pacifist appeasing constitution hating ilk in 2012.

      • Oscar Goldman

        Why do you think he deserves to be impeached?

        • debra

          Oscar…there you are. Who are you and where did you come from? You responded to something i wrote about Thomas Jefferson and welfare and you wrote a long note about Sarah Palin. I`m confused..please explain. I think you may be a spy for Obama and have infiltrated our computers??LOL DeBra

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I dont. This is in reference to people keep saying impeach him, but he hasnt done any impeachable offenses. Thats what I meant.

      • Oscar Goldman

        It just hit me, I know why you all don’t trust Obama. The last President we had seemed OK in the begining but now we realize what his true aggenda was. (Mainly to kill Muslims and make his oil buddies extremely wealthy). So you are are thinking if he Bush could be so dishonest Obama must be too. Almost makes sense. Guilt by association.

        • debra

          Oscar..we don`t trust Obama because of the people he has surrounded himself with. Also he has said so many things in the past that now he is trying to denie. People like Ezeikal Emanuel,Cass sustern,Peter..I forgot his last name ,appointment of czars -a communnist,. He does not see himself as just the president of the US..he wants to be the leader of the world. For him to go to the middleeast and europe and say we are not a christian nation,call us arrogant. We should have seen the truth when we found out about Rev.wright…you can not sit in a church for 20yrs,listen to that hate and come a christian,not to mention a hatred of white people. Debra

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I think you and your war for oil buddies missed the boat. I dont see Bush and Cheney in office anymore, and I never saw any money for oil. So going on you and your boys premises, I guess this means Barack and his ilk are conducting a war for oil. See how stupid this sounds. Actually, I would be all for taking their oil until all this is paid for, then let them resume control. I would find that to be fair, but someone, somewhere would condemn what ever admin, expecially the republicans, for conducting a war for oil. It never was about that, and you know it. If it was, we’d had the oil by now. And no, I for one do not trust him, because of too many associations with bad people, and not enough is known about the guy. And Ive still never heard any plans other than to print money around the clock and give it to companies that dont deserve it. Ive seen escalation of government and creation of more social agencies for us to pay for with tax dollars, and I dont like that. Sorry, I take care of myself, always have, always will, and I dont want the government to even attempt to take care of me, let alone useing my money to take care of others who refuse to grow up into adults and learn the responsibilities of life in taking care of them selves. If you continually give handouts, people will continually stand there with their hand out, and will never advance from where they are at. The government becomes their “crutch” to never get better, and thats a big problem. There are a lot, and I mean a lot of 20 to 30 year old able bodied guys out there, that have no motivation to work, when they are given government stipends every week. And I and other working people get to pay for it. I got a problem with that, as should every working American. So someone who wants to not only continue this enabling, but expand it, no, I dont trust them.

        • Billy Wells

          Debra,
          Sound like you watch way too much Glenn Beck. You are as paranoid as he is. Rev Wright is an ass no doubt. But please tell me more about what Obama has lied about. Please. I want to see his quotes and proof to back it up. When did he say he wants to rule the world? I think you have him confussed with Dick Cheney.

        • American Citizen

          Mr. Goldman, have you forgotten 9/11? We were not attacked by Venezuela or New Zealanders or any country, but by terrorists.

          How do we know Obama lies? Check on what he said during the campaign and what he says now. Every time he opens his mouth, he says something that’s not true. He’s gone back on so many promises, why should we trust him? I don’t even listen to him anymore.

        • Billy Wells

          What has Obama lied about?

          Don’t just me he lied, prove it to me. I want to see his quotes from his campaign and what he says now.

          A perfect world would be free of Muslims? Is that also the case? Mr. Bush wanted to invade Iraq while he was still governor of Texas.

        • Billy Wells

          American Citizen

          You are 100% correct with your statement above! We were not attacked on 9/11 by Venezuela or New Zealanders or any country, but by terrorists. That is correct. And President Bush did the right thing going after those terrorist in Afganistan. However Iraq did NOT attack us, and they had no connections to Bin Ladin. But that was the idea that we were told and we believed. Bush / Cheney wanted to invade Iraq so badly they made sure to make up intelligence to make their case. They did it quite well too. Dick Cheney is a very intelligent man. Thousands of Americans died or have life altering wounds because of his selfishness. Thousands more innocent Iraqi people died because of it.
          Not all Muslim people are bad or evil. Most just want to live their life with there family and friends the same as you and I. And if you actually start to study Islam you will see that at it’s core it’s not much different than Christianity. They believe in the same God, and in Jesus. They just don’t accept Jesus as their savior. They believe that Jesus was a prophit. and their savior is yet to come just as we believe Jesus to return some day.
          Or at least that’s how I understand it from my very, very limited research on it.

    • Foolpatrol

      Bush, the idiot we should have impeached is gone. He is no longer subject to impeachment. We can still prosecute him, try him for treason and war crimes by a jury of his peers, convict and execute him! Let’s do it!

      • Magnon

        Careful there, Mr. Fool. Your intelligence level is showing…….and it’s not a pretty sight!

        • Smilee

          Neither is what he did in Irag and people actually died and hurt there because of him.

      • Martin

        What good is impeachment….we did it to Clinton the dog and still didn’t get rid of him. May have been a higher power involved and saved us from that moron Algore.

        • Norm

          Clinton had a little problem with his lower anatomy but he did balance the federal budget for several years. The economy in the mid to late ninties was excellent with full employment and a real chance to pay down debt. Then came GW Bush. Enormous deficits even in 04-07, which were decent years for the economy.

        • Billy Wells

          Yeah, Clinton lied about haveing sex in the oval office. Oh My! The Rebulicans at the time were just waiting to impeach him. But Bush lied about WMD in Iraq, Thousands of young Americans died, Thousands more wounded for life, and still Thousands more Iraqi people died. So many deaths because of a lie. Most of us believed it because at the time we had no reason to mistrust the President. But it was all made. No WMD were ever found in Iraq. We spent billions there on war and killing and few cared.
          No we have a new President who wants to spend money on Americans and take care of our own and all you here is how he is destroying America. He’s a killer because he believes abortion should remain legal. But yet Bush sent thousands of young people to their death and no one thinks twice about it. Who is the real killer?

      • Eric

        Fool, given your numerous comments on here, I’d have to guess you are apparently not wrapped too tight and probably not socially accepted among normal people. Convict and execute Bush?? Do you hear yourself?? Have all the pretty girls rejected you throughout life and you just don’t understand why they don’t like a “smart” stud like you? Reading your posts has painted a fairly clear picture of you.

        And Norm, the Republican Congress balanced the budget in the Clinton years. I’ll agree that Bush didn’t help our economic situation at all with the nation building in Iraq, the prescription drug plan and the MASSIVE spending he did in violation of free market principles “in order to save the free market,” but let’s not pretend Clinton was economically responsible. He had a Republican Congress that kept him in check for about 6 years. Giving Clinton credit for the economy is like giving him credit for welfare reform, which he vetoed until the numbers stacked up to override his veto – so he signed the reform out of political expediency (aka: cowardice). He didn’t actually want to reform welfare; he wanted to expand it.

        As for our “leaders,” I voted for Bush twice – what were the other options, Gore and Kerry?? Gore is nuts and Kerry is a prissy dufus. I’m disgusted with both parties right now, but more importantly I’m actually alarmed at what the radicals in the Democrat Party are trying to do. I agree healthcare needs some reforming, but have you read that healthcare bill??? That’s not about healthcare; it’s about control – and that is scary!! Same with cap and trade. There is no environmental emergency right now, and I doubt there will be one in my lifetime. If there’s such an emergency, why aren’t we blasting Russia, China, India and many other nations about their carbon footprints? Instead, Barry Suerto (aka: Barack Obama) is apologizing to the world for all of Americans faults while he runs this country into the ground so it can be “rebuilt” the way he and his ilk want it – just like Cuba.

        • debra

          And PLEASE add to Clinton NAFTA is the reason we do not have jobs in the US today!! They all went overseas where they pay employees .15cents hr as opposed to unions requiring $20.to$60. dollars an hr. Yep Ol Clinton just opened the door and said free trade is great fellas..don`t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. If he had delt with Bin Laden when he had the chance, and there was many times,then 9/11 would not have happened. He just did`nt have the stomach for it. So Bush had to deal with it. Billy also balanced the budget with huge Medicare cuts..which never got much news coverage,,kinda like now..Debra

        • Billy Wells

          NAFTA
          North American Free Trade Act. Some jobs went to Mexico because of it. Just wait til you spring the north American Union and the Amero on us that GW Bush started to put in place.

      • bazdmeg

        Can’t we have to extradite him first from kuwait, where
        he’s restarted Arbusto Oil, with Bin Ladins money..again!

      • david

        ONCE again FOOLPATROL you show little knowledge of the things that America believes in and has kept us safe has the US soil been attacked since 9-11 know why because we are over there i am a veteran of the first gulf war and we should not have stopped then but kept going but because we are a nation of rules and want to follow th UN it has costed us dearly and to setthe record straight we DID find WMD”S in ’91 and was tracking them outside of Iraq when told by the UN to back off

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Unbelievable. For you to say that, proves that you have the brain that God gave an icecube. What a sad sack. I guess you didnt like being safe. Idiot.

    • Nan

      Norm Where did you get that from cnn news He hid the real debt he cut back our military he did not give veterans any better benefits the list goes on ,and on and on . all he did was rob from peter to pay paul

      • Eric

        ditto for what Nan said. Clinton floated loads of debt so he would have money to spend during his presidency because it didn’t come due until he was out of office and he could blame the mess on his successor. Again, let’s not pretend Clinton was a bastion of fiscal discipline. He borrowed money and just gutted the very military that he loathed and dodged. Although he was pretty fond of the military when he used it to attack Iraq the day before his impeachment hearings began. Talk about a war crime!! Where was all the talk from the leftwing about war crimes on that abuse of power and illegal act of war?? And what about bombing Sudan on Aug. 20, 1998, just before and during Monica Lewinsky’s grand jury testimony?? If committing an act of war just to change the media headlines to save embarassment is not a war crime, then what is??? So again, let’s not re-write Clinton’s legacy on here. He was a disgrace … and he had more serious flaws than not being able to keep his pony in the barn!!

      • Norm

        nan/eric
        No Bush hid the real debt. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were mainly paid for by hidden money sources. He never vetoed a spending bill for the 6 years that the Republicans controlled Congress. He cut taxes during a time of war?? He supported an unfunded prescription drug bill for seniors. He also was at the helm when the economy almost collapsed. Now Limbaugh and the hate mongers are blaming everything on Obama and the Democrats for Bush’s mess.

        • Oscar Goldman

          Yes, I agree Norm,
          If in 2 years things are bad we can blame Obama, But honestly the man hasn’t done much of anything yet. The stim was passed, Republicans say it isn’t working because the world didn’t change the next day, but to quote their hero, GW Bush, “It’s hard work” It’s not going to get fixed over night. The cash for clunkers is actually working, however if you pat attention to right wing media, especially Dick Moron, I mean Morris, it isn’t working. We are supporting Japan. Guess he doesn’t count all those hard working Americans making Japanese cars here in the US not to mention all the support staff at the dealers around the country. I guess Toyota only hires Japanese Citizens since Mr Morris says we are supporting Japan.
          The whole thing is this. Republicans are mad because the not olny lost the White House they lost Congress. (That’s what happens when you’re old and washed up and want only to go to war). If Obama succeeds in getting things passed like health care and the economy bounces back and health care actually works and people find out there is no death pannel and they have more money in their pocket, Obama is going to be a hero. He will win reelection in 2012 and the Democrats will keep control of congress. The main goal here is to make sure Obama and the Democrat Contoled congress fail. They have to make things look bad. They need the economy to be bad, they need to keep healthcare from passing. This is the thoughts of the Republican party. They can’t win the elections based on their ideas, they don’t have any. All they know how to do is kill muslims. So they have to make Obama look bad.
          It’s really quite sad because they are playing games with our lives. To them it’s just a game of which party controls the Government. They had a bone head President, and even wosre Vice President and rather than do something about it they all just became yes men. Now they are mad because they are paying the price. So it doesn’t matter what is best for the American people at all, it is how can we get control back. That is the bottom line. And as you see if you watch news other than Fox news, they will resort to any tatic they can to make you think Obama = bad.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Actually Norm, if your interested in facts, more people were working under Bush than under any president in history, including Clinton. The stock market rose higher under Bush than Clinton. Unemployment was lower under Bush than Clinton. Things didnt start going bad until his last year and a half, and you and I and business all know why. They knew the Democrats stood a good chance of winning, and that if they did, new larger tax bills were coming, as they always do during a democratic administration. I mean, Clinton did have the largest tax hikes ever during an administration you know. So business slowed down, holding on to cash for taxes, and the fears were confirmed when Obama won the election. Now it has gone to the worse ten fold, and it will continue that way until 2012, and thats just the way it is. I dont want it to, but it is what it is. Dont blame Bush. Blame change change change. And the Bush tax cuts are going to expire in 2010, and you know the democrats will kill them. Thats going to cost a lot more people to get laid off or terminated. Its all fact. Not opinion, not agenda, its all fact. I cannot change what was, and I cant change what the current admin is going to do, but they are an open playbook, and they will expire the tax cuts, and they will raise taxes no matter how much he gets on TV and says he wont. Bush 1 said that, and raised them, and it cost him re-election. Same thing here.

        • American Citizen

          When you say the drug plan was unfunded, that’s technically not true. Medicare pays for most of it, we seniors the rest. I just got a bill for over $1,000 for 90 tiny pills I take because of breast cancer. I hit the donut hole after six months and have to pay the rest myself. The problem with the drug plan is the deal with the insurance companies. Instead of dealing with the pharmaceuticals directly and getting the drugs for a good deal, Congress just had to get the insurance industry involved. That makes the drug costs even higher because the middleman has to be paid. There may not have had to be a donut hole if Medicare dealt directly with the drug companies.

        • Norm

          American Citizen
          When I say unfunded I mean not funded by new monies specifically procurred for that function. This would be new taxes or reallocation of funds from existing programs (which would have to be cut or reduced). Bush only increased the burden on social security. This is understandable since he wanted to privatize ss. Privatization in England and Chile, incidently, have been disasters.

        • Skippy Carr

          American Citizen,
          You keep making the case for healthcare reform. The medicare bill that was passed by Republicans under George Bush was a bad bill because of the donut hole. It was pasted in the weeeeeee hours of the morning. They could not get support for the bill in Congress so the vote was actually postponed until they could twist enough arms to push it through.
          The insurance companies are out to make a buck. That is their job, that is why they exist. The government is not out to make money but to provide a service. The government can operate at a loss and still do it’s service. The insurance companies can’t operate at a loss. That is why they are spend millions and millions of dollars on false advertising to get people like you scared and angry. Their bottom line is going to be affected if a government program is put into place. The insurance companies own many in Congress, mostly Republicans, but also some Demacrats, that is why with the medicare donut hole there was no deal struck between the drug companies and medicare. The insurance companies do way too of job at bribing Congress. Now, wouldn’t it be nice if you had some sort of coverage for that medication you take that is costing you $1,000 for 90 little pills? You are being cheated by the current system yet you try to defend it. It’s not right, you pay for coverage but yet you still have to pay for your medication. I feel for you.

      • DaveH

        Would you guys quit fighting about who created the debt? Our problem isn’t who created it, rather it is who can we elect to reduce it. While we are all fighting it is growing dramatically. We need to ignore the major media and research candidates on our own to find the ones who really want to reduce the size of government. That includes the election of both our president and the congressmen. And we need to look at acceptable 3rd parties. I’ve heard the media caution us many times that Congress wouldn’t be able to get anything done if there were more than 2 parties. And that would be a bad thing, why?
        My choice as many of you know is the Libertarian Party:
        http://www.libertarianparty.org/platform

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          This would only work Dave, if the libertarian party were thick enough to win house and senate seats also, because both the republicans and democrats would not play ball and make them look good, so now you would have 3 parties trying to screw the other party at the expense of the country. Only way it would work is if they landed enough seats to have the numbers to truly get things done.

        • DaveH

          Mark,
          They will only become numerous enough if people start voting for them. Let me ask you something. Which way is really throwing away your vote?
          1) You vote for a party which represents your core beliefs but does not get enough votes to win for a while (accumulation period).
          2) You vote for a party which is the lesser of two evils and thus will never achieve what you’d like to see.
          And screwing other parties isn’t what Libertarians are about. They just want Limited Government and the freedom of choice and personal responsibility that comes with Limited Government
          They will never get enough seats if people don’t start voting for them. These things take time. And yes, it would be an uphill battle, because the media and the people in power don’t want to give that power up.
          I don’t know what kind of work you do, but if you worked in any kind of groups during your life, you have probably seen how your manager tries to grow his group or division. That is the same way with the people in power, they like to keep growing their divisions. They won’t give that power up easily.
          But if you love freedom and the prosperity that it brings like I do, then you will be up to the job.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Norm is a lefty. They pretty much make stuff up to make themselves feel good, since everytime they get a guy in office, bad things happen, so they have to tell lies to cover up their inadequacies.

        • Norm

          Mark
          You do have a unique prospective on the world.

          For the record, March 2001 was the start of Bush recession 1 which ended 10 years of econimic growth. It lasted until 2003. 2004-07 were good years, but they were based on a a vibrant housing market. Unfortunatly, this was caused by artificially low interest rates, lower taxes, and banks lending on the speculation that homes woud increase in value forever by double diget rates. The bubble broke in July 2008. Hence Bush recession 2.
          You righties love to replay the 2001 blame game. Having successfully perpetuated the myth that President Bush “inherited a recession” from Bill Clinton., your mouthpieces from Rush Limbaugh to Fred Barnes are now blaming Obama for the Bush 2 recession (literally within hours of his election). But as a quick glance at the data shows, across virtually every economic indicator from GDP, unemployment and consumer confidence to home prices, foreclosures and manufacturing output, ownership for this economic calamity squarely belongs to George W. Bush.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          No Norm, you are in error. Actually, Bush had the highest amount of people ever working in this country at one time, the highest stock market numbers, and the lowest unemployment, and you and I know that all changed when the mere fear of the democrats winning the election came about, and when they won, the fears were confirmed and business came to a screeching halt, as everyone with any brain power at all, knows they are going to need the cash to pay the higher taxes. You and I both know the Bush tax cuts are ending in 2010 and the dems are going to kill them. This is a fact. Even though Barack said no new taxes, well, when they kill these tax breaks, new taxes are coming, and business’s are not dumb, they knew they were coming, so they stopped spending money and expanding and hiring, and that is the fact. Just look at see, this is the fact. More will lose their jobs and get laid off when the new tax bills are levied on these business’s, no doubt about it. All these things coming down are a result of the knowledge of the democrat tax monsters coming in to, and being in power, no ifs ands or butts about it. If you dont know that by now, your blind brother. To further prove my point, watch what happens to the economy in 2012, maybe a little before it, maybe even after the 2010 elections. If enough dems get voted out, business will pick up. When 2012 elections finish them off, business will once again get rolling and be expanding and growing, like it was when Bush was in office. It only slowed when everyone knew he was going out, and the dems were coming in. It happened, its a fact, and everyone knows it. You cant change history, just look at the facts. The numbers were excellent once he worked us out of Clinton recession. They dipped bad when he was leaving and everyone knew the democrat tax monsters were coming in. Thats a fact, and the numbers prove it. And they will again in 2012. Get over yourself, and pay attention to the facts.

        • Norm

          Mark
          Yes, as I’ve stated above, Bush had good years economically from 04-07. I personally did quite well in the stock market. I watch stocks very intently. Things started to waiver in the fall of 07. I know because I did a lot of stock trading and ultimately managed to avoid getting clobbered like many others in the months that followed. I also was working (just retired) for a large company, whose name you would recognize, and It wasn’t Obama that caused their stock to fall to less than half it’s peak value. It was falling sales, primarly in their automotive sector. The reason for low economic activity was the panic caused by the bank failures, and the domino collapse the rippled throughout the entire US and indeed the world. The collapse was due to the housing crisis. If the banks were properly regulated it would never have happened. People with no money, and in many cases no means of making money, were given loans based on rising home prices. But home prices were rising because people were given money to buy them and to trade up to larger ones. It was like a dog chasing his tail. Also the Federal reserve (Greenspan) kept interest rates too low for too long. It was liking adding gasoline to a fire. Your idea that business feared Obama is BS. Businesses are only concerned with the bottom line usually after the fact. You goverment haters give the private sector much more credit than they deserve. I worked for private companys for over 40 years and I know how they think.

    • rod james

      Looking at history most presidents should have been impeached for the good of America. The handful that were not but assassinated were doing what was best for the majority of the population which went against the establishment or the minority of the population.

  • http://charliequin@cox.net CHARLIE QUIN

    MAY GOD , CONTINUE TO BLESS AMERICA —

  • Barbara

    What is little known is the western states, when joining the United States, had all of their public lands taken away. The western states had their public lands confiscated into public FEDERAL lands.
    The eastern states have their public lands. They have very little if any federal lands.
    The western states do not have the same equal rights as the eastern states.

    We lost our states rights when we joined the United States.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      And now the Western lands are being quickly taken over by Mexico, without firing a shot, due to no border controls along California, Texas and Arizona, as we just let the illegals run in, and now they are mayors and councilman and pass laws to benefit more and more of it. Anyone been to Southern California lately? Walk down the street. English is a second language there. This is all due to liberal policies and political correctness.

      • Norm

        Seems to me that GW Bush and John Mccain were big fans of making illegals legal. But maybe you can blame that on Obama too.
        With all the relocated US companies in Mexico, soon we’ll see migration going south. In fact, it’s already started.

        • debra

          Norm….Obama has said he wants to make the ones that are here citizens with full benefits..and wants to do it within the years end. This is on film many times not just a news story. It`s him. DeBra….oh oh…..the single payor thing too.

        • Norm

          Debra
          That will never happen whether Obama wants it or not.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Relocated U.S. companies in Mexico, thank Bill Clinton for bringing NAFTA in to the fold. Another fact.

        • Norm

          Mark
          NAFTA’s path to congressional consideration has been a long and difficult one. First advanced as an idea by Ronald Reagan in his presidential campaign of 1980, and promoted in the mid-1980s by The Heritage Foundation, negotiations for a free trade zone among the U.S., Canada, and Mexico did not get underway until proposed by Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari in 1990. Although Salinas’s original proposal was for a bilateral U.S.-Mexican agreement, Canada soon requested participation to safeguard its gains from the 1988 U.S.-Canada Free Trade Agreement.
          Following diplomatic negotiations between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it.

    • Oscar Goldman

      Oh Bull

  • Richard

    Our so-called educational system has failed us. Why focus on Science and Math when our children are not being taught their duties as citizens and as leaders of the free world.
    Science and Math are great if we want to produce Scientists and Mathematicians and Engineers. But why do we need those occupations at all if we don’t have a solid foothold on the solid ground of knowing our duties and responsibilities as citiznes and fighting for those core principles every day.
    Ever since the 60′s we have poured literally trillions out of our treasury in order to “properly educate” our children and what has been the result? A population and an entire country that is more divided and polarized than at any time since the civil war.
    Taking our country back, means first and foremost taking our educational system back from the beaurocrats and so-called “educators” so that our children have at least a basic understanding of our history and know of all the blood and treasury that’s been sacrificed to keep our enemies FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC from destroying us from within by cunningly changing OUR NATION’S TRUE PRIORITIES!

    • DaveH

      I agree Richard. I think our forefathers would have crapped if they knew someday our educational system would be run by the government.

      • Oscar Goldman

        Did you go to private school?

        • DaveH

          Yes, I went to Catholic school for 9 years, until my parents could no longer afford it. It seems that it is against the separation of church and state for private schools to get government (read taxpayer) money. Yet during all those years that me and my siblings went to private schools, my parents were paying taxes so that other kids could go to public schools, as well as paying tuition so we could go to private school.
          For Smilee who probably will call me a liar, as stated in my previous posts I am now an atheist.

        • Billy Wells

          Ummmmmmm, private school means private. No Government money. Duhhhhhhh. Are you upset that your school didn’t get government money? Kind of sounds that way. But if it did it would no longer be private.
          Yes, I pay taxes too to send kids to school but I don’t have any kids of my own.
          If we all had to pay for basic education there would be even more uneducated people here.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Nope, Im a victim of the public school system.

        • Billy Wells

          Mark,
          Why do you think you’re a victim of the public school system? No body can force you to learn. If you were too lazy to want to learn that is your own fault. You can’t blame the school for you being stupid.

    • GP

      Richard,
      Remember that according to the NEA, 2+2=5—The answer is wrong, but they feel good about themselves.

    • Norm

      Richard
      Scientists and Mathematicians and Engineers are what made America great, not trying to rule the world. Our educational system has problems, but good students seem to do just fine.
      I think the main problem with our kids is their parents. Discipline and respect for people in authority must be taught in the home and enforced in the schools. The second problem is that not all men are created equal. All kids aren’t going to be great athletes nor are they going to be college material.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Norm, you hit the nail on the head. Discipline in home and school are now gone. In our day, when I did stupid or disrespectful stuff in school, I got paddled, and they would call home, and Id get it again when I got home. Now the schools cant discipline the students, and the students know it, and they run the teachers. You cant bother calling home, because the parents, well over half of them, they dont care and tell the school to mind their own business and stay out of their family business. Gangs are prevalent in schools, and kids are more worried about getting beat up, or who they are going to beat up, than they are about getting an education, and the school isnt allowed to discipline those who are interferring with the ones who would like to get an education. When discipline left the school and the family, things started escalating downhill.

  • Bob

    I have read the Constitution may times and was educated in the 50s and early 60s when we learned what being an American meant. My children were educted in the public school and university systems. They know less about what our nation’s history and the founding fathers than I did when I was 12 years of age. America has dumbed our youth down on more than just math and science. I am a social and economic conservative and am appalled at what is going on in America today. The Democrats in Congress and the White House are power hungry and have no consideration for what the people want when over 40% of Americas say they are conservative and less than 30% say they are liberal. How did we get ourselves in such a mess? The truth is that the good people in America have allowed the evil people to brain wash them through proven propaganda techiques thus accepting what they say as truth. One thing I learned as a child is to seek truth and not accept any politic figure at his word. I have found that the degree of dishonesty for most politicans is over 80% and most Americans know that and elect such people of low integrity to be their leaders. Remember politicians thrive on power and at the federal level they consider themselves as having have absolute power when their party is in control, as the Democrats are today. As an independent I owe loyalty to no party. I ask myself what is best for the majority of Americans first. The cap and trade bill and any nation health plan are not godd for America unless we hate the Constitution. Since 1994 I have seen the DNC propaganda machine in action to demonize the Repubilcan Party. I am also ashamed that most American’s have allowed themselves to be lead down the liberal path to destruction the DNC has laid out for it. America must wake up to the truth and stop defending a party, but put America, not the Party, first!

    • Oscar Goldman

      Maybe you kida are just lazy and don’t want to learn. Or maybe you are the lazy one and don’t want to work with you kids. I don’t know because I don’t know you.
      I went to public school is the 70′s and 80′s and although I may not best the smartest person I think the system did OK. Learning is something you have to want to do. No one can force a kid to learn. But the parents have to take a active role too. You can’t just sit back and do nothing and then blame the school system. I think now a days parents care more about the sports their kids play than what they really learn. I blame parents and not the schools.

      • American Citizen

        Here, Oscar, I agree with you. I worked with our school system here in both the public and private schools. Because the parents of private school children had a vested interest, that is, having to pay for the child’s education out of their own pockets, the children buckled down and learned. Too many parents of children in the public school system don’t take an interest in what their children are learning. I never had a problem with a child in the private school, in fact, parents would call me about a concern I had with the child, such as maybe the child needed glasses. We sent a progress report home to the parents every six weeks. I still to this day receive thank you’s from parents because the child went from struggling to read to be an honor role student. I watched our local newspaper who report the honor rolls of each school every report card time. It made me so proud to see names of students I had tutored on the list. Sadly, I’ve been retired so long now that all the children I had have graduated and gone on to either college or the workplace. I neglected to say I worked with children from kindergarten through 4th grade. I thoroughly enjoyed my job and still miss it. Maybe if education were not so free, things would be different. Parents of public school children complain because they have to pay the book bill. They should have some vested interest in their children’s education.

  • GP

    Reply to fool patrol:

    Because of the NRA people like you can make STUPID STATEMENTS!

    • http://N/A Reply to GP

      The NRA is one of the few organizations upholding our constitutional right to bear arms to protect ourselves. Remember that when you find your self defenseless!!!!

      • GP

        That is exactly why I am a life member!

        • Tim

          I you concerned about your 2nd Amendment right you should hook up senate bill sb2099 or HR45 if you haven’t yet done so. One step closer to confiscation, an unarmed man is a subject

      • DaveH

        Another organization supporting our 2nd Amendment rights is http://gunowners.org/
        I think they are actually, dollar for dollar, a much more effective organization than the NRA.

  • DaveH

    For the liberal Obama-lover who will soon populate this board, think about this:
    The Obama administration lent money to GM (taxpayer money) and then proceeded to use this as an excuse to take over GM, aid the unions, and screw the bondholders.
    Do you for one moment think they won’t do this same thing to your personal health choices if they can get a national health care system passed? Government aid almost always comes attached with strings. Wake up and be wary!

    • Magnon

      Yep, and the government is so good at running things. Take a look at The U.S. Postal Service, Amtrak, Medicare, Medicaid and the NIH. Hell’s bells, a few years ago they got involved in a takeover of the famous (or infamous) Chicken Ranch in Nevada. Ran it completely into the ground. Pretty telling when you think about it. If the government cannot properly operate a whorehouse, how do you expect them to run banks, General Motors, or a health care program???

      • s c

        You’re so right. Everything the government touches will implodes. They get away with their dictatorial ways because they have legions of hypnotized believers who worship promises and hate those who demand results.
        By the way, America’s true #1 whorehouse – Congress – is the only thing they run with consistency. That doesn’t mean they do it right. They learned long ago that forcing people to choose between two bad ideas gives them control.
        What they want now is a nation of prostituted zombies who will rely on government for everything. That’s how they really define ‘choice.’ Anything that makes them happy they see as ‘good’ or ‘enlightened.’ Let them try to deny it, Magnon. Their track record is documented.

        • Billy Wells

          If everyone was honest we wouldn’t need Government regulations. But because their are and will always be dishonest people we need the government to make laws. They are doing what they were hired to do.

      • rod james

        Its quite a problem to try and decide who is best to run the country government or free enterpeise when there are so many bad examples of both today. What we have today
        is a hybrid of ex bankers or buisness men that take care of who lobbys the most cash

        • American Citizen

          At least with free enterprise, we can choose to participate or not. With government, we have no choice.

    • Norm

      dave
      Should GM, Chrysler, IGA, BAC, etc. been allowed to fail? I despise the bailouts, not because of the necessary government actions, but for the arrogance and incompetence of the priviledged ruling class who failed at their obscenly paid jobs. These bastards are still collecting bonuses when they should be in prison with the rest of thr riff-raff in this country.

      • DaveH

        Norm,
        Yes, they should have been allowed to fail. It is wrong that the companies who did the right things should have to continue to compete against the companies that did the wrong things. And it is very wrong that the taxpayers have to foot the bill for these same failures. I submit (although don’t advocate) that it would have been better to give the bailout money to the employees or depositors or whoever else suffered at the hands of these losers, than to give it to the companies. Let those companies go out of existence like the dead-wood they are.

        • Norm

          DaveH
          Letting them fail would have been my choice in theory. But in practice it would have destroyed everyone. Biting off your nose to spite your face is the height of stupitidy.

        • DaveH

          Norm,
          “stupitidy”? That’s funny Norm. Maybe you should use spell-check on your name calling. You apparently didn’t read my comment that the bailout money could have been distributed amongst the victims of the poorly managed companies, instead of keeping the incompetent officers afloat.

      • Oscar Goldman

        Did you see the news today? The new Chevy Volt gets like 240 MPG! Yes Chevy, a GM product, If they were not bailed out this car might never get produced yet it will soon be on the market. Once the technology is out they will refine it and perect it, others will use it and we could change the whole world.

        • debra

          You drive the damn thing …I`m 6ft tall..and I can`t get my legs in there. DeBra

        • Billy Wells

          debra

          How do you know if you can fit in it? They didn’t it get it on the market yet. What a knuckle head. You’re so busy watching Glenn Beck and Fox news you don’t pay attention to news. GM just annouced . They expect to get on the market next year. It looks to be the size of a chevy malibu. That not a tiny car.
          The real news is GM and American company made a break through with battery technology. Things can only get better from there.
          But you wanted GM to go under. Kind of makes you feel foolish. Or do you like spending $4 a gallon for gas?

        • American Citizen

          It would never work for us as my husband has had strokes and needs a bigger car just to be able to get in it. We drive a 1996 Chrysler Concord. I love it. We get probably 20 miles a gallon in city driving and close to 28 highway. Those new cars just do not work for everybody.

        • Billy Wells

          American Citizen & debra

          this is what is wrong with people like you. You are so afraid to change anything that you miss out. If our world was full of people like you we would still be in the stone age.
          You have your mind made up about something as simple as a car. It’s too small, it won’t work for us. No kind of excitment about the technoligy involved or that it’s coming from an American company. No just negitive remarks. Why so bitter? Why so down on EVERYTHING. Life is not that bad. It’s exciting.
          The Chevy Volt may not work for you. I probably wouldn’t get one either. But it’s a starting point. It won’t be perfect, it won’t solve all of our problems, but it’s a start.
          You people are nothing but a joke!
          http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/future/volt.do?seo=goo_|_2009_Chevy_Awareness_|_IMG_Chevy_Volt_Phase_2_Branded_|_Chevy_Volt_|_chevy_volt

      • American Citizen

        Norm, you’re finally making sense. The government gave them all that money and still allowed them those obscene bonuses for driving a company into the ground. Now they want to give us a healthcare bill that is about everything but health care. Government rarely does anything well. I have a daughter who works in a nursing home and she said they can no longer afford to take Medicaid patients. The nursing home in which she works is a first class operation. Part of it is for assisted living and the other part for those who need nursing care. She works in the nursing care part. The biggest problem they have is keeping good workers. She is a nurse and is assistant administrator in that part of the building. She has to fill in whenever they are short of nurses or aides. The government plans never pay the full cost of what it takes to take care of a patient. There needs to be reform, but not the way Obama and Congress want to do it.

        • Norm

          American Citizen
          I have a relative in a nursing home also. It costs in excess of $100k/yr to keep her there. She is paying this out of her life savings. If she lives long enough, she too will be on government welfare – Medicaid. You and I pay for medicaid! What are the alternatives? We need more, not less, government intervention. Pouring money into a system that is run by highly paid private sector individuals, without any control of how it is spent, is ludicrous. The goverenment is large enough to control the cost of materials and medicines. In fact, if the homes were managed like VA hospitals, even the personnel costs could be managed. I go into this place and see waste and inefficiency everywhere.

  • http://sammersss@att.net Lavada

    We all need to join together to threaten the sponsers of the ‘State Media’ now in control in these United States. If we join together and tell them if they continue to sponser a media that is taking away our freedoms by telling half-truths, and lies. We will not buy their product. It is true that the ratings have fallen somewhat. People are starting to see that the truth is not in the News anymore. Our freedom is a very precious thing. We must act to save it!

    • Jim

      There is no state media. They tried ti with Fox News for 8 years and see where that got us. Idiotic statements from Hannity and Beck, people who know what’s going on but tell you made up stories. That’s called lying.

      • DaveH

        Talk about misinformation. Wow. If it wasn’t for FoxNews we wouldn’t know about the “Tea Parties” and the Town Hall goings-on or many other such things that the major media doesn’t want the citizens to know about..
        We would know about Cindy Sheehan and her very small group of war-protestors who got immense media coverage on the other networks.
        Foxnews certainly doesn’t speak for me, but they are a lot more honest than the other propaganda-spewing News stations.
        For instance, the Libertarian Party has been around for at least 30 years and how many of their representatives have been allowed to say their piece on the major media channels? They are afraid of Libertarians because Libertarians believe in free markets. That means that the owners of the major media would be more subject to upstart competitors who may knock them off their million-dollar a year jobs. It’s also why they are attacking FoxNews so hard. They are losing viewers and listeners to FoxNews because anyone who listens carefully to both soon figures out that FoxNews gives a more unbiased treatment of the news.
        What is the attraction to this board for you liberal freedom-haters? Are you Acorn members, SEIU members, or some other associated gang whose goal is to disrupt communication amongst freedom-lovers?

        • Jim

          Liberal Freedom Haters? Where do you people get that? The word “liberal” means free.

          We all knew about the Tea Parties and the town hall meetings from other than Fox News. However we didn’t have the Fox News “Journalists” putting their spin on it. To say it wasn’t there means you weren’t watchig TV except for Fox News, so whatever was really happening was kept from, you. Or distorted. Also, we always hear about the Libertarian party and what they stand for. For one, we have Bill Maher and there are others. I see them all the time, where are you? Actually, the party that is really disciminated against is the Flat Earth party. Now, that’s a travesty. So many good ideas and obviously true. You’re going to tell me that the ground isn’t flat? You’re going to tell me it’s actually curved, well look buddy I can see that it’s flat so there.

          Also the vampires, they don’t get any coverage in the news.

          Freedom Haters? And what’s this fetish with ACORN? You people have the strangest obsessions. I come to this blog because I don’t need to have people tell me what to believe, I want to see what people are thinking. And what I see here is distortion, downright lies and demented racism and bigotry. That’s not freedom loving, that’s evil.

        • DaveH

          Bill Maher states that he is Libertarian, but anyone can say that. He is not anywhere near what the Libertarian Party stands for. If you see Libertarians all the time, then you would know that Bill Maher is not a Libertarian. Libertarians stand for Free Markets, Limited Government, and the concept that Government has no business protecting us from ourselves. You can go to http://www.libertarianparty.org and see for yourself what they stand for.
          I’m talking about political liberals who stand for Big Government. Find me one who doesn’t support the Nanny State. Big Government doesn’t give freedom, Big Government takes freedom away.
          ACORN is under investigation in 14 states for voter fraud. Gee, I guess I just have this fetish that votes should be honestly cast and counted.
          The Liberal press have done nothing but fawn all over Obama, except sometimes when he does something so unpopular that they have no choice but to cover it in a negative fashion..

        • Norm

          Dave
          Libertarian my ass. Your a right wing Rush Limbaugh puppet.

        • DaveH

          Norm,
          You don’t know me. I don’t even listen to Rush. I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Translation: a Libertarian. We believe in the principles that were established by our forefathers which made this the great country that it became (and which we are now losing). That is individual responsibility and limited government and free markets.

      • Oscar Goldman

        Hannity and Beck lie? Oh not those guys. LOL

      • American Citizen

        The state run media are those who support those in power no matter what they say or do. You don’t get the full truth from them. You have it backwards.

  • Denny

    Folks… it is hard to read posts that have so many misspelled words and grammatical errors. If you could, please create your post in an application that can check your spelling and grammar.

    • http://aol Don

      Denny, how does one do that? Really. I agree with you, but don’t know how to go about it, or does it take too much time to explain? Thanks

      • Denny

        Hey Don… depends a bit on whether you’re running a Mac or PC, but essentially all you would do is create your post in a word processing application such as Word. Once you have completed the post, find the spell-check tool in the application and select it to check your document. Most word processing applications will provide you with suggested spellings and grammatical corrections. Once you have completed the process, then select all of the text in your post and copy it to this site or wherever you are posting a comment and voila! you’ve done it! There are minor variations you will find between a Mac, a PC or a Linux machine. However, they are all quite similar and usually have a help index built in that will step you through the process of building a document, spell checking it as well as how to copy/paste text. Hope this helps?

        • http://aol Don

          Thanks. I can’t spell, but did marry a spelling bee champ. She won’t check anything in this crazy blog site.

        • American Citizen

          Get a Mac, it shows you if you misspelled a word immediately. The spellcheck is automatic.

  • Douglas Hvistendahl

    Look into the Constitution party. When all the other candidates are bad (too often), we vote for them.

  • Tom Panik

    “Government even in its best state is but a necessary evil…” – Thomas Paine

    In this war between good and evil, “we the people” will no longer allow violations of the Constitution and the destruction of our individual freedom from tyrants.
    The latest socialist scheme to seize power is health care. Health care is a personal responsibility as are the other necessities of life. The federal government has no legal authority under the Constitution to regulate or control health care. There are many ways to make the finest health care system in the world more cost effective and efficient, but the solution is not dictates from anti-American socialists.
    This health care legislation is not law, but a crime. A tyranny to seize power and constructed in the dead of the night by the evil intentions of domestic and foreign enemies. The current crises to address are government generated ponzi schemes of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid with unfunded liabilities close to $100 trillion. We don’t need another government criminal operation to screw the people (or program to kill senior citizens), especially senior citizens like me that have paid into these programs all their lives.
    Many in government have no allegiance to the Constitution, the people, their oath or America. We need to recognize that politicians disloyal to our Constitution and the people are criminals and not legitimate law makers. To restore our Constitutional Republic, an immediate CITIZEN’S RECALL of all socialists from government would be a logical next step.

    • David

      So what you’re saying is that we should have no Government health care whatsoever. Hmmm… Ok. Let’s eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. Let’s eliminate Social Security. That would also eliminate two of the biggest drains on our National budget.

      Let me ask you something: Have you had to go to the hospital? Have you ever had your insurance policy cancelled because of ‘too many draws on your policy.’ Have you had insurance denied because of “pre-existing conditions”? What about Americans that just can’t afford insurance for whatever reason? Can you afford $250/month or more for a hospitaization plan that barely pays for basic care, not even counting surgery or other extensive treatments?

      Who’s the victim here? We all are, not just the poor; not just the wealthy; if we don’t have insurance, we can’t even get IN to the hospital unless it’s a life-or-death emergency! Try it sometime. Go to the hospital and try to check in. When they ask for your insurance card, tell them you don’t have one. Tell me how they respond.

      But this article is about Constitutional limitations. Exactly how much of the Constitution is being followed today? I’ll tell you; exactly as much as you permit it to have. If a politician says something you want to support, even if its unconstitutional, you’ll support it. How do you think some of the things we see today ever happened in the first place?

      How do we limit it? By challenging the constitutionality of a given law with the Supreme Court; that’s why we have it.

      • don spence

        MOST PEOPLE WITHOUT INSURANCE IS A CHOICE THEY MAKE.
        AS A RETIRED PEACEOFFICE I DEALT WITH A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY CANNOT AFFORD INSURANCE.. IT IS AMAZING THAT THEY CAN AFFORD $5-6 PACK CIGARETTES 2 OR THREE A DAY AND PLENTY OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ALL THE TIME BUT CAN’T AFFORD INSURANCE. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY ARE TWO LAZY TO WORK FOR WHAT THEY NEED BUT DEPEND ON SOMEONE ELSE TO GIVE IT TO THEM.

      • ChuckL

        David,
        You said …”So what you’re saying is that we should have no Government health care whatsoever. Hmmm… Ok. Let’s eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. Let’s eliminate Social Security. That would also eliminate two of the biggest drains on our National budget.“
        That’s a great idea and it should be implemented. All of these programs should be implemented by the states, if they wish to have them. The federal portion of Medicare, and Medicaid should be phased out as the programs are converted to state programs. Social Security should be means tested and the IRA programs should have contribution limits raised to not less than the FICA tax limits. Social Security payments should be made equal to minimum wage. No more, No less. By matching the FICA taxes and putting them into an IRA based on mutual funds most Americans who started working in their 20s would be able to retire below the age of 65 and live very well while their retirement funds continue to grow. You can work it out on a spreadsheet, if you will make conservative assumptions. The means test if set at minimum wage and reduced S.S. Payments by $1.00 for every $2.00 above minimum wage would eliminate most S.S. Payments.
        Proper incorporation of cost reduction into insurance costs and tort reform would make insurance affordable even to those on an IRA.

        • David

          ” All of these programs should be implemented by the states, if they wish to have them. The federal portion of Medicare, and Medicaid should be phased out as the programs are converted to state programs. ”

          So what you’re suggesting is that the States should go socialist.

          The whole argument against this Federal Health Plan is that we’re turning this county into a Socialist Republic rather than a Democratic one. By offering any kind of Government Sponsored health or retirement plan, we are offering a Socialist solution to a problem that shouldn’t even exist.

          Why was Medicare/Medicaid started? Because older people couldn’t afford to pay for their health care and medicines any more. Why was Social Security started? Because older people couldn’t afford to live any more. Most of this started with the original Depression in 1929-37. Some of this started in the ’50s and ’60s. You listen to the complaints now and all you hear is “Don’t mess with my Medicare!” Guess what? Medicare is a Federal insurance program.

          My point is that the people at fault here are a combination of the insurance companies, the medical industry, and the litigious people who abuse both of the above. If hospital costs weren’t so high, our insurance costs wouldn’t be so high. If doctors weren’t sued almost into bankruptcy, they wouldn’t need litigation insurance to protect them, driving costs higher. It’s become a vicious circle that’s literally driving health care into bankruptcy.

          Want to stop the cycle? Eliminate ALL fraudulent/frivolous litigation. Civil lawsuits are a drain on state and federal finances. Civil lawsuits saturate the courts that could be better used for criminal trials. Civil lawsuits embolden the recipients and copycats to find a way to steal more victims’ money.

        • American Citizen

          Social Security and Medicare are funded by taxes. Don’t you read your paystub? We paid into SS all our working lives and now you want to take it away from us? it’s true, SS just lets you survive, you need some kind of supplement such as an investment program. Or a huge Savings Account. And Medicare is not free. We pay almost $500 a month in premiums for Part B, Supplement for what Medicare doesn’t pay and then may still have to pay something to the doctor and/or hospital if they don’t write it off.

      • Martin

        Social Security wouldn’t be a big drain on us if it hadn’t been stolen and used for everything else under the sun. Social Security Trust Fund my butt.

      • American Citizen

        Instead of fixing just what needs to be fixed in the insurance industry, the Feds want to take over the whole shebang.

        Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security would not be in trouble if all were taken out of the General fund and truly put into a lockbox. Congress constantly raids these programs for their pet projects. it owes billions to Social Security.

        Bureaucrats make the rules of the programs Congress puts through. That’s what’s so scary about them wanting to take over our Health Care System. We don’t have a health care problem, we have an insurance problem. We get the best health care in the world. It’s the unintended consequences of the program that are so scary. I truly believe those arrogant Congress persons from the President on down think “we the people” are stupid.

        Yes, Medicare is a federal insurance program, emphasis on insurance. It is not free. Between my husband and myself, we pay over $500 a month in premiums for Part B, Supplement Insurance and the drug plan. Plus, Medicare only pays 80% of the charges, supplement pays 80% of what’s left.
        Whatever Medicare does not approve, the supplement will not pay on either. So, either the doctors and hospitals write off the remainders or bill the patient.

        It’s not free, folks. President Obama said today he would like for everyone to be on Medicare. That’s what you could expect.

        • David

          You just hit the nail on the head. It’s the Insurance system that needs to be fixed, and President Obama is trying to fix it the best way he can; by creating a competitor who will insure the ‘uninsurable.’ He’s said many time that it’s not going to be free, but that the Government will insure those the insurance companies won’t insure, for whatever reason.

          Of course, just like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, if it can be abused, it will be abused.

        • Smilee

          American Citizen Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 7:56 pm

          Premium for part B is $96.40 or $192.80 for the two of you and must drug plans are about $30 unless you buy a plan that pays for the plan that covers the donut hole and deductible then it can go to about $150.00, people do not buy this unless they have serious health problems requiring a lot of medicine. So I do not know how you get to $500.00 a month and you say you also have supplement ins but do not say what it costs. There are 12 plans to pick from unless you have bought into an advantage plan but it does not sound if you have. I do know that private plans for the individual before 65 cost almost $600.00 a month because that is what it cost me until I qualified for Medicare, now Plan B, D and the supplement cost me $300.00 a month and I pay nothing except premiums, and 10% of prescriptions after the annual deductible. Be interested in knowing the full story of your coverages and their costs.

      • melinda

        All three of my sons purchase their own private insurance…my oldest pays $74 a month and pays $20 for an office visit, $10 for prescriptions and they covered both of the surgeries his arm at 95%. I don’t have information about my middle sons insurance, but he does get discounts because he is in the Army Reserves. My youngest son pays $129 a month but his insurance includes dental and eye care. His co-pay is also $20 and his insurance has done an excellent job covering all the medical treatments he has received so far…he has a narrowing in the center of his esophagus and requires on going treatment for pain, bloodwork and supplements so help him keep his weight up.

        There ARE about 5-7 million American’s who make too much money to qualify for any government programs and too little to afford private insurance. There are good ways to make sure these people are covered WITHOUT ruining the excellent care the rest of America receives and without bankrupting our country!

        • David

          No argument. The problem is: how do we do it? We can’t rely on the Insurance companies to do it on their own, they’re out to make as much money as they can; they don’t like having to pay out more than any given client has paid in. If they can find a way out of paying, they will. They have become notorious for cancelling coverage when it becomes evident that there will be more and more expensive treatments in the future. Even now, if you have what they call a Pre-Existing Condition, they will refuse to cover it unless you pay a higher premium. ex. A Cancer patient goes into remission. Years later the Cancer returns. Insurance? Sorry… pre-existing condition. We won’t cover that.

        • Smilee

          melinda Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

          I have to assume that the premiums you quote are their share of the premium and the balance is paid by their employer and if not you neglected to give their annual deductible and annual out of pocket maximums as no one sells insurance for the dollar amounts you quote something is fishy in your story.

      • Susan

        That is the conundrum. Once a government program is established it is virtually impossible to get rid of it. For example the income tax that was established to pay the WWI war debt morphed into the monstrosity that now exists. It was supposed to go away when the debt was paid!

      • DaveH

        David,
        What has happened to the people in this country? In 230 years we have gone from a nation of rugged pioneers (who would have been ecstatic to have our health care) to a nation of cry-babies who expect someone else to provide them with the good life.

      • American Citizen

        If the government is having trouble funding Medicare, Medicaid and the drug plan, how do you think it’s going to be able to fund that so-called healthcare program? Medicare is already in trouble and Obama said he would take 294 billion out of it to help fund his program. As someone said, rob Peter to pay Paul. Plus, taxes would go up for everybody, whether you like it or not. I also believe I heard Obama say you would have to pay a premium and there would be co-pays besides. It won’t be free. I has to be paid for somehow.

        • David

          Nobody said it would be free. As I remember, President Obama said this would be an insurance policy, beside and in competition with the commercial insurance companies. This would honestly be funded by the insurance premiums themselves once you got past the initial setup costs. If this is true, then it is perfectly possible that it could end up earning a profit for the government, eventually even covering Medicare and Medicaid as well.

          In other words, it’s not that likely that it would raise our taxes, but instead conceivably lower them.

      • keith

        from your inset pic,are you a furr faggot?

    • http://aol Don

      As I understand it, it would only effect about 20 million people.

  • Wade

    Might I suggest that before you decide to be in favor of any gov’t policy you ask yourself, Who has the most to gain from this? If the answer is gov’t,large corps, or your rep him or her self.. You need to vote against that policy no matter what party it is proposed by. We all need to look at the voting records of our elected officials. If they are not in line with YOUR principles, then vote that elected official out of office. I might also suggest that there is very little difference in the two major parties any more. Irresponsible spending and the shreading of our constitution has been going on since the days of Nixon,and before…The democratic and republican parties are two wings of the same bird flying in the wrong direction. Sound money policies, fiscal responsibilty, self reliance and independance are what this country needs large doses of right now. We all need to educate ourselvs and stand a vigilant watch over our elected officials, when they go against your principles STAND UP AND BE HEARD. WHEN THE GO WITH YOUR PRINSIPLES ALSO STAND UP AND BE HEARD.wHEN ALL THE OTHERS START SEEING THAT WE ONLY GET ANGERY WHEN WERE NOT LISTENED TO THEY WILL ALL START TO FALL IN LINE. Just look at the way they have been acting as of late. they are all Obama,Ried , and Peolsi’s sheep. These town hall meetings have got them shaken up WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. BE A PATRIOT! DONOT LET THEM TAKE OUR FREEDOMS WITHOUT A FIGHT….. THIS IS THE VERY LEAST THAT WE OWE OUR PARENTS OUR FOREFATHERS ,AND OUR COUNTRY!!!

  • http://www.hope-not-hype@nsedreams.com Jim Edmundson, Sr.

    To continue; this is for all Democheats and Republicants. I just read, ‘NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY’ BY GARY ALLEN AND LARRY ABRAHAM. It was written during the Vietnam war but 90% of it could apply to what is going on today. If you haven’t read the book, I suggest you do and than maybe you can re-direct your attack on those who actually run the world. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, etc, all were just Democrat or Republican puppets representing their party in costume only.

    It doesn’t matter who is in the Oval office because they are all puppets to the ‘INSIDERS’. In essence the world is controlled by the banks. The Rothchilds, J. P. Morgan, The Rockefellers and other ‘INSIDERS’. It all started way back, or before the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917.

    As Nikita Khrushcev said, “I once said, “We will bury you,” and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you”.

    “The press is our chief ideological weapon.”

    Last but not least. “We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism.” HELLO!

    END OF QUOTES.

    What America needs to do is to vote out ALL incumbents, vote in term limits and make Congress and the Senate accountable to ‘WE THE PEOPLE’ to whom they seem to have forgotten.

    And to the unqualified Narcissistic Obama and his Czars, if that isn’t socialism I don’t know what is. Talk about unqualified, Obama does not have a clue, so he appointed a complete corrupt cabinet, headed by Queen Pelosi and Prince Reid, to make decisions he did not know how to make. Told them to come up with a STIMULUS PACKAGE AND A HEALTHCARE PACKAGE and he would sign it. Talk about unqualified, he makes Sara Palin look like the most qualified candidate for President ever.

    VOTE ON PACKAGES THAT WILL AFFECT THE ENTIRE NATION AND NOT HAVE THE CHANCE TO READ THEM……………UNIMAGINABLE. That is like taking out a loan from a corrupt bank without reading the small print and the banker saying, ‘TRUST ME, YOU DON’T NEED TO READ IT, I’LL WATCH YOUR BACK’. Sure he will.

    Wake up people before it is ‘HEIL OBAMA’, or ‘PRAISE OBAMA THE MESSIAH’

    Go to GOOGLE and type in ‘OBAMAS CIRCLE OF FRIENDS’ and it will scare the hell out of you.

    Quotes from Dr. Sam Vaknin, an Israel Phychologist; who has written extensively about narcissism.

    ‘narcissism’ noun. exaggerated self-admiration; exaggerated self-love

    Dr. Vaknin States “I must confess I was impressed by Sen. Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident – a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama’s speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi “religious” impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects.” Barack Obama is a narcissist.

    Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes “Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist.” Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says that Obama’s language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People’s Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao, Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom. When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don’t know it until it is too late. One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse.

    His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother remarried and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia, a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white) grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995.

    One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents. Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and do not deserve their attention.

    If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The “present” vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him. Obama’s election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.

    The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book “Dreams from My Father”.

    Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself? Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama’s lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.

    A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power.

    A narcissist cares for no one but himself. This election is like no other in the history of America. The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world? I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others…they are simply self serving and selfish.

    Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.

    Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites.

    The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama’s detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.

    The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960′s.

    Obama will set the clock back decades…America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America, and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.

    It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castroists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction.

    There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.

    END QUOTES:

    Those of you who voted for Obama are getting exactly what you voted for and unfortunately you are bringing down the rest of America with you.

    • Dolly

      Jim Edmundson, Sr.:

      I cannot believe what you wrote, BECAUSE I have thought of this man the same as you. It makes me smile to know I have not been the only one who thinks of this man in that way. I am not a writer and do not have the “smarts” to write such a great letter. Again, I want to thank you very much. I have not been able to understand why all the people that have such trust in this man, can do it. I have watched and listened to him from the beginning of this campaign. He had the smile and looks to sway people that had no idea what he was really saying. I seemed to “read between the lines” so the saying goes, and could see exactly, in my opinion, what direction he wanted our country to go.. However, there were so many people that believed what he was promising, I almost began to wonder if I were right. It only took a few more of his “words” to convince me I was correct in what I had thought. It may take a while longer for those who had believed to wake up to the fact that he was making promises, knowing he could or would not keep. My wish is that they wake up before we become a socialist country and that leads to a commumist country. If they knew or would learn what happens to those kind of countries, maybe they would realize what is happening to us.

      • http://www.hope-not-hype.nsedreams.com Jim E.

        Thanks Dolly,

        It amazes me that this administrations actions, whether it is against the law, against the United States Constitution or morally wrong, they do it anyway.

        With Obamas resume, he couldn’t even get a job in Civil Service or any Law Enforcement agency and yet he is President of the United States. What a country we live in. His supporters are just like sheep, being led to the slaughter. Didn’t that happen in WWII?

      • rod james

        Dolly & Jim, Call it socialist or communist but right now America has been likened to
        a Fascist State in that it seems as if Corporatism is the order of the day with less real individual freedom every day. The constitution is being replaced by anti terrorism laws when drafted allow the attack of the US forces against their own people. Jim,
        Obamas and the past Republicans supporters are both being led down the same path like sheep to slaughter. All should read who financed Hitler and you will see it is the same people, organizations and buisnesses that are playing the same games with peoples lives. A good example is George Bush Sr. and his father in law being
        on the board of directors of the Union Bank of New York which was the US branch
        of Tyssen Bank (The Nazis Bank). This bank was shut down during the war for trading with the enemy and the German branch people prosecuted at Nuremburg. The US people went on to War profiteering in different other wars one still going on.

        • http://www.hope-not-hype.nsedreams.com Jim E.

          Rod James,

          You can’t read very well can you. If you read my entire blog you must have missed the part about the ‘INSIDERS’ who run the World.

          It doesn’t matter who is in the Oval office because they are all puppets to the ‘INSIDERS’. In essence the world is controlled by the banks. The Rothchilds, J. P. Morgan, The Rockefellers and other ‘INSIDERS’. It all started way back, or before the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917. Every President since 1917 were puppets to the ‘INSIDERS’ with the exception of President Reagan and Senator Barry Goldwater. WHY, YOU MAY ASK? Simply because they couldn’t be bought off like all the rest and cared more about ‘WE THE PEOPLE’, than we the individual ‘INSIDERS’

    • http://aol Don

      You never mentioned Bush as being a pathological narcissist. It cost us over 4,500 loyal service men and women, and the lives of around 700,000 Iraqis.

      • http://www.hope-not-hype.nsedreams.com Jim E.

        To Don:
        Nah! You’re right, all President Bush did was keep all of our butts safe for 9-years and you forgot to put the blame on him for the Kennedy and Lincolns assasinations, the attack on Pearl Harbor and Vietnam.

        It is a shame that one american military life should be lost on foreign soil but take a look at these statistics.

        I am old enough to remember them well and all of these wars were started by a Democrat President, with the exception of Desert Storm & Iraq.

        MILITARY LIVES LOST IN WWII: 2,303,320
        IWO JIMA – 6,891
        GUADACANAL – 1,592
        NORMANDY – 1,465
        TO NAME A FEW BATTLES

        KOREA – 54,229

        VIETNAM – 58,228

        DESERT STORM – 156

        IRAQ – 4,327

        I AM AN NAVY VETERAN, SO DON, YOU SHOULD GET DOWN ON YOUR KNEES EVERY NIGHT AND THANK THE MILITARY, FOR IT IS THE MILITARY AND JESUS CHRIST WHO DIED FOR YOU AND ME, NOT THE PITIFUL POLITICIANS.

        The ‘INSIDERS’ have funded both sides of every war we have had, not caring about our Military men and women. They just care about lining their pockets with money and their ego with power.

        IT IS TIME WE VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBANTS AND GET A FRESH NEW BUNCH IN AND IMPOSE TERM LIMITS.

        • http://aol Don

          We did not have a “Christian ” right to invade Iraq. Innocent children were being killed. Statistics as presented doesn’t make if correct. You can justify this with your Lord. You do not invade a country that was not harmful to us. Bush kept us safe for 9 years? Tell that to the 3,000 dead people in NY. What was Bush saying before 9/11? He was bragging about his vacation time. He said he was going to break Reagan’s record. Expain to me how that is being hard at work trying to keep us safe?

        • david

          THANK YOU JIM E it has been and always will be a military mans desire to not have to go to war or a conflict but i for one have always believed and still stand by it, i would go and fight anywhere in the world just so i would not have to fight in my own back yard and point of interest look at how many died in 9-11 that where not military but family and friends and children is that war or terriorists retired USA

        • http://www.hope-not-hype.nsedreams.com Jim E.

          To Don.

          Do you think for one minute that Osama Bin Laden decided to bomb the Twin Towers after Bush was in office? If you do, you are dumber than a post. Clinton had Bin Laden in his grasp but would have rather chased Lewinsky around the oval office desk than do his Presidential duty.

          Every member of the Democratic party backed Bush on invading Iraq until the question of them having WMD was in doubt and than they turntailed like the lying bunch of hindsite cowards they are. What about the 100′s of thousands of his own people Sadam had executed. He needed to be taken out. Did he have anything to do with 9-11 probably not but than Hitler had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor either, he just killed 7-million Jews.

          Get your facts straight and quit blaming Bush for everything that is wrong with the United States. Sure, maybe he started this stimulus fiasco but Oduma could have stopped it.

          Instead of adding an additional 3-4 trillion dollars, he could have reversed the plan and given every United State LEGAL VOTER $100,000.00. Think maybe that would have stimulated the country?

          If we would have spent One Million Dollars a day since the birth of Christ, it would be less than the trillions of dollar debt Oduma has saddled our children and grandchildren with.

          THINK ABOUT IT, THIS CLOWN HAS AN AGENDA AND BY THE TIME PEOPLE LIKE YOU REALIZE IT, YOUR LIFE WILL NO LONGER BE WORTH SPIT, BUT THAN THAT IS YOUR RIGHT TO BE WRONG.

          AS LONG AS THIS ADMINISTRATION IS IN POWER, THERE WILL BE NO MORE ‘WE THE PEOPLE’. IF THEY SUCCEDE, YOUR 1ST AND 2ND AMENDMENTS WILL BE TAKEN AWAY AND THEN START YOUR JOURNEY TO OBLIVION.

        • Jim E.

          Hey David,

          You bet 9-11 was terrorism at its fullest definition but we can’t call it terrrorism, according to Queen Pelosi and we have to give the rat feces terrorist their ‘Maranda Rights’. TORTURE? Those scumbag cowards were embarrased and humiliated at worst. I think Pelosi has had so many face lifts that her face is tighter than a trampoline and that has shrunk her brain, if in fact she ever had one.

          As I said earlier, go to GOOGLE and type in ‘Obamas circle of friends’ and then tell me he is a patriot and caring leader of America.

          It looks like you didn’t finish your blog but I assume you are a retired military man and if you are, GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

        • http://aol Don

          Yes, but he did it under Bush’s watch, because he didn’t spend any time on anything before the attack. He lied about going to Iraq, and congress believed in those lies and had a good man like Powell to support it. This is probably a reason why he quit the adminstration even though he never said it. Clinton could have taked Laden, but he knew the Republicans wouldn’t support him on it, so he didn’t try. Bush could have taken Laden, but he was more interested in oil. Bush could have gone after many rutless tyrants in Africa, but they didn’t have as much oil. Bush was the best recruiter for recruitting terriost. They might hit us again, and you will blame Obama. In this situation, one can say that they organize during Bush era. Get your facts straight and quit blaming Obama for everything wrong with the United States.

        • Jim E.

          DON,

          NO WHERE IN MY BLOG DID I BLAME ODUMA FOR ALL THAT IS WRONG IN AMERICA. HOWEVER, BEING THE MENTAL MIDGET THAT YOU ARE, I DON’T HAVE TIME TO BANTER WITH A FOOL, END OF CONVERSATION.

      • http://SovereignCitizen rod james

        Jim E,
        I can read perfectly well but I appologize as I missed your excellent blog about the insiders and was looking at your reply to Dolly.
        I agree with what you are saying and as I said people have to start looking at all sources of information about these important topics of finance, politics, terrorism,
        religion etc. I wish every American would check out US architects organization for the TRUTH ABOUT 911 @ AEtruth911.org and decide who the worst terrorists are.
        GOD BLESS AND SAVE AMERICA!!

    • Actsman1

      Jim Edmundson Sr.

      You are speaking the truth and have given much food for thought. I am a former teacher and never belonged to the NEA. It is corrupt and I didn’t want my name attached. Our only hope is LOTS OF PRAYER and I have been doing much of it for our country and citizens. The best to each of you on here.
      All of this is prophesied of in scripture whether many like it or not. Whether you believe it or not makes no difference. It is still the truth and will prevail.
      These are serious times for serious decisions.

  • Mike

    I find it sad that in this once great nation the people can not address a critical problem without injecting religion, bias, racism, personal attacks.
    It is true that our educational system has failed us. History not learned will repeat itself over and over as it has done so many times.
    If we as a people learned what the constitution was about and why it is written the way it is and what the writers were striving for, we wouldn’t be arguing we would be united and focused on putting our government back on track. We can’t and we won’t because we have gone the way of the Romans and are in to ourselves and can’t grasp what is going to happen to us as a nation.

  • brad schuber

    Hear! hear! If only every state would confine the federal government to its constitutionally ordained powers. But, how can we halt taxes? By letting them tax us without restraint, they can get away with everything. How can we restrain them, and limit their overreach? How can we keep them from making us co-owners of banks, and automobile companies? How can we stop Barak and congress from all their unconstitutional mischief?

    • Jim Silver

      Brad Schuber asks excellent questions. I wish I knew some answers.

    • DaveH

      Brad,
      It can be accomplished, but first the citizens need to agree on the goal. That is the major problem. And you can see by all the disagreement on this board that it isn’t going to be an easy task.
      The legislators have the power to change it all. But they aren’t going to do that willingly unless we let them know their jobs are at stake. First we need to come to agreement about what we want them to change.

  • gem Heyes

    From all the responses here, one can see how Americans lost this nation. Our forefathers had special interests, different religions, various financial concerns and political philosophies but they managed to work together to free themselves and their families from what was then the super power on earth. Then, though it took them 10 years of hard work, they created and left us a constitution to protect us from tyranny. Our apathy and petty bickering over which political party has lied, cheated & stolen the most from “We the People” has only helped these clever con artists usurp more power. If “The People” want their power back, eliminate the IRS. Simply spread the word to everyone to change their dependents to 9 or 10 on their tax forms. They will pay in less taxes next year. In April 2011 do not pay any income taxes. Simply write ” we the people have eliminated the internal revenue system”. The government can try to collect, but police, etc…are citizens too. Organize, people!!! Co-operate!! Stop fighting each other. Stop foreign aide & supporting illegal aliens and stop paying taxes to a federal government far away. Reorganize on State levels where we can control corruption easier.

    • JoAnne Johnson

      GEM HEYES

      RIGHT ON, FINALLY A SUGGESTION THAT MAKES SENSE. NOT ONLY IS THE FED A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION BUT SO TOO IS THE IRS. CONGRESS HAS GIVEN THEM POWERS ABOVE AND BEYONED OUR CONSTITUTION AS TO SEARCH AND CEASURE LAWS AND PRIVATE COURTS. THEY HAVE ENSLAVED THE WORKERS OF THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. THEY ARE INCORPORATED IN DELAWARE, NO TAXES FOR THEM, AND THEIR BY-LAWS ONLY AFFORDED THEM THE POWER TO HELP FILL OUT FORMS AND TO AID IN HELPING CITIZENS IN FILING THEIR TAXES. THESE ARE STILL THEIR BY-LAWS TODAY.

      ALL THIS BICKERING OVER DEMS AND REPS IS NONSENSE. A VERY GOOD QUOTE I CAME ACROSS GOES LIKE THIS “DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH.” BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. NEITHER PARTY HAS THE INTEREST OF “WE THE PEOPLE” IN MIND, NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL. FOLLOW THAT WITH THE FOLLOWING QUOTE: “THE INSIDE OPERATION OF CONGRESS…THE DEALS, THE COMPROMISES, THE SELLING OUT, THE CO-OPTING, THE UNPRIINCIPLED MANIPULATION, THE SELF-SERVING CAREER-BUILDING…IS A STORY OF SUCH MONUMENTAL DECADENCE THAT I BELIEVE IF PEOPLE FIND OUT ABOUT IT THEY WILL DEMAND AN END TO IT.” BELLA ABZUG

      WE MUST STOP THIS BICKERING AMONG OUTSELVES AND START TO TAKE A STAND AGAINST EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL WHO TAKES THE OATH OF OFFICE OF “DEFEND THE CONSTITUION”. THAT IN ITSELF HAS BEEN BROKEN BY A VAST MAJORITY OF POLITICIANS IN MY LIFETIME AND IT IS EVEN BEING PERPETUATED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY ALLOWING THIS TO GO FORWARD.

      “WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE RIGHTFUL MASTERS OF BOTH CONGRESS AND THE COURTS, NOT TO OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION, BUT TO OVERTHROW THE MEN OF PERVERT THE CONSTITUTION.” ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

      “A GOVERNMENT BIG ENOUGH TO SUPPLY EVERYTHING YOU NEED IS BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE…THE COURSE OF HISTORY SHOWS THAT AS A GOVERNMENT GROWS, LIBERTY DECREASES.” THOMAS JEFFERSON

      • http://aol Don

        I don’t think Lincoln said, “to overthrow the men of pervert the constitution.”

        I

        • JoAnne Johnson

          MY GOD, WITH ALL THE MISPELLED WORDS IN THESE BLOGS, YOU CAN PICK OUT ONE! “OR” WAS THE WORD, MAKE YOU FEEL ANY BETTER. AS TO THE WOMAN WITH THE HIGHWAY, ROAD TAXES, THAT IS MATCHING MONEY WITH THE STATES. THERE WAS A TIME IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE, WHEN THE STATES HAD THE POWER ALL THIS WAS TAKEN CARE OF BY THE CITIZENS OF THE STATES. I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS SITE AND THE NONSENSE THAT IS BEING WRITTEN. HOW WILL WE EVER SOLVE PROBLEMS WHEN WE ARE ALL BICKERING OVER NONSENSE? OUR NATION HAS GOTTEN MEAN AND NASTY AND IT IS ALSO DESTROYING US. NOT JUST OUR GOVERNMENT, BUT US. INCREDIBLE!!

    • http://aol Don

      If you want everyone stop paying taxes, is everyone going to stop using the highways that my taxes have paid for? Probably not.

  • Joseph

    Great post Tom and a few others, thanks… (Follow the money, remember!?!) I’d like to point out a few things, God willing… First off, lets ALL pray to God Almighty for several needs to be miraculously provided for; A.) the ‘gift discernment and truth’ for all who would have it, i.e.; the ‘mind of Christ’, B.) The ‘gift of repentance’, so that we can all ‘repent of our sins’, both personally and nationally (obviously, as required, not pushing guilt on anyone!) C.) the ‘gift of exposing corruption and evil’ i.e.; ‘discernment and truth’ in action, D.) the ‘gift of cleaning up the corruption and evil’ in a Godly way, i.e.; Godly men and women all across our Republic bringing Glory to God, wiping out the ‘corruption and evil’ in favor of the God’s liberating truth E.) and then the ‘gift of restoration’ of our Republic…!

    Secondly, I voted (and encouraged others to…) for the Constitutional Candidates BECAUSE it was the right thing to do, PERIOD…! I literally could NOT care about everyone else’s votes because I have to live with my own conscience, and I can sleep at night in regards to that because I Voted for the BEST Candidate available, no matter what ‘his chances of winning’ were, etc…! Thirdly, Remember this: NO one has to honor or obey the UNCONSTITUTIONAL ‘laws’ that have been passed (state or federal!) as long as the U.S. CONSTITUTION is still in force, it’s a matter of ‘free will’, one has the choice to obey God and His commands, or to obey man and his (wicked and evil) corrupt ways, it’s that simple…!

  • ely

    (Helen Post number one)

    Well I am a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN and think the DEMOCRAT S ARE A BUNCH OF HYPORCRITES.

    So then we agree? – What am I talking about? – Its like this; as soon as the Real Democrats and Real Republicans in America realize we are on the same team, the sooner we can go back to our real debates. Yes, you heard that right. “We are on the same team”, and I only wish we can have those days of Real Democrats and Real Republicans again. For you see there are not many of them left. That is in government!
    Once “We the People” from both sides accept that all our leaders, form both sides of the isle are now part of this elitist group called “Progressives” the sooner we will be free to be a Democrat or a Republican again. Yes, they may call themselves Democrats and Republicans, but in reality they are not! If they were true Democrats or true Republicans they would listen to the Liberal leaning, and the Conservative leaning people, respectively. No the reality is that these “Progressive elitists” reside in both party’s, and share the same goals that do not include us. Their true goals do not include the Real American Democrats, nor do they include the Real American Republicans, as well as all third party people. Once the truth is exposed, and is truly understood for what it is by “We the People”, the sooner we can heal our nation, for the real Americans from both sides (and most Third Party’s’) really do love America, and we both long mostly for the same things that the “progressive movement” wishes to destroy. These” Progressive elitists” also realize the easiest way to their goals are to keep “We the People” preoccupied, and in the dark and as far from the truth as possible. And their biggest weapon against us, is to keep us fighting with each other so as to create a smoke screen in which they can do there dirty work in the light of day.

    Ask yourselves: What dose our current and, our most recent government administrations find as the biggest threat to America?
    My answer is; they fear a “Real” UNITED States of America, which is run by, and for the “People” of this nation!

    • steven jeffries

      I agree and Support You also Salute You

  • http://none Dale

    Foolpatrol your answer is incorrect. Teachers dues are not private money. Dues are paid with tax revenue. Government employees checks are paid with tax revenue (or national debt), deductions from their checks just reduces the amount of tax revenue they take (or debt they add). No matter how you look at it or want to twist it, DUES ARE PAID WITH TAX REVENUE DOLLARS TAKEN FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR (or added to the national debt).

    Other issues:

    BO was not elected by the people. Your vote does not count. BO was elected by the electoral delegates, feeding their own agenda, without representation for you the voter. Go back and look and you will see that many delegates jumped ship, voting against the will of the voters they are suppose to represent.

    On every issue just follow the money and when you discover who stands to profit you will then know the truth.

    Don’t go blindly forward… START ASKING QUESTIONS!
    Dale

    • Joseph

      Dale,

      First, I must apoligize to Joseph. I didn’t realize there were two of us on here. Any further comments from me shall be from “JosephW.”

      Second, Dale, you are absolutely correct in “follow the money.” While I doubt that that Foolpatrol and his ilk shall ever be capable of seeing this truth, I pray to God that my sensible, rational, fellow Americans will awaken to the fact that is no longer which “party”, or which “side” you belong to, but, because of both “sides of the federal government become a matter of those who have and those who have not. Off the backs of the American taxpayers for generations to come, the “spreading of the wealth” will be no more than a lavish banquet set in trying to appease this government’s insatiable appetite of money.

      Our government is morally and Constitutionally wrong!!

      JosephW

    • Smilee

      Dale on August 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm:

      Boy are you a nut case! Once the money becomes the property of the teacher it is no longer tax revenue but private property, therefore, how the teacher spends the money it is not tax revenue being spent. The union dues is paid by private sector monies, you are just flat wrong.

      • DaveH

        Smilee,
        Your point is valid, but do you have to resort to name-calling? It sure doesn’t make people want to listen to you.

        • http://aol Don

          He makes more sense than what other people have to say, so I’m listening. Man that guy, Mark, is a real hater. Sorry Dave about my name-calling.

  • mabel

    Jim Edmundson,
    I can’t believe that I have finally found someone who feels exactly the same as me. We have to wake up and take our country back.
    We are very close to facism. Why couldn’t so many people see?

  • http://constitution Melody

    Tell me again, why do we need a federal government? Take the money away from the federal government and withhold taxes and lets see what happens to Congress and the Senate. I would like to see what would happen if every person in the Republican party refused to pay their taxes to the federal government…. do you think they would listen? Do you think they would read the constitution? State taxes yes, federal, no. Local taxes, yes. Federal taxes, no. Government is only as powerful when we as citizens give our power away. Palin has it right… smaller government. I only want my government to protect our borders, and prevent war…. nothing else. We, in our communities should be involved with running our schools and paying for the needs of our area.

    • DaveH

      Sorry Melody,
      Nice sentiment but it won’t work. They would just sell debt (probably to the Federal Reserve) and continue on. Our taxes would then come in the form of inflation. The only viable course is to throw all the Big-Government-advocating rascals out of office. It’s not hard to find out who they are. Just look at their voting record on various bills and you can see if they stand for Big-Government or Limited-Government. Of course, at present, that is almost all of them.

  • George

    Do you not understand that the HOLY SPIRIT is taking this nation apart. We have rejected GOD, and now we are beginning to see the fruit of our actions. No man is powerful enough to save this nation. Our only HOPE is in GOD and only the Christians get to Vote.
    2 Chronicles 7:14 (New International Version)
    ” If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”
    We can yield to the Holy Spirit or we can be destroyed. The choice is ours.

    • American Citizen

      George, it’s not the Holy Spirit who is tearing this country apart, it’s Satan, the Father of Lies. The Holy Spirit is Life. No Spirit, no Life. The Holy Spirit guides us in right ways if we look to him/her.

  • DaveH

    As Lord Acton said “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
    It amazes me that the liberals are so afraid of Big Business (who can’t force us to do anything) and yet willing to put their lives in the hands of Big Government (who can force us to do things).
    And for you liberal responders, “No, I don’t advocate big business, I would much rather have a free enterprise system where there was little government involvement in business, so anybody could compete on a level playing field. The economy would be so robust without all that money wasted by government busybodies that we wouldn’t need to worry about government (read taxpayer) help.”

  • Ray

    All of the comments I have read just shows how much we have drifted from the founding fathers convections. If you really want to know what they thought read the inital prinings of books that were about them. The books that were written by the people who knew them and witnessed their actions. You would be amazed. Each new printing brings small changes to the orginal books. This brings us to belive lies and be divided. This also proves the Bible is true and written and maintained by devine intervention. By the miricale of God is it is still as it was thousands of years ago. If you look hard enough the evendience is there. Others have done the work for you and me. The Constitution is dead, look at the recent GM bankrupt. Look at how the changes the President are being completed. Czars? Who do they answer to? We are going to a very bad place. Don’t give up. But it is to late, we owe to much and we have no morals as a group. May God help us.

  • Tom

    I believe that there is a principal in law that says “Silence is acceptance” We have been silent for decades while evil men gradually encroached on our rights. When we try to regain our freedoms there will be a l ot of arguing about past precedence, past rulings, and etrc.. This is why there will be major conflicts before we can regain what we have allowed to be taken from us. An over abundance of leisure and laziness softened our brains and will to be vigilant. I am 73 years old and this world no longer resembles the one that I grew up in. I am amazed as to how numb people are to what is transpiring around them. We are rubbing up against political systems (socialism and Fascism) that are inherently violent, therefore I fear that our issues will be resolved only with violence if we ever can regain our freedoms. Our self serving nature has allowed this to happen. Each of us were content when some shallow minded politician offered us some favor in return for support. We never examined our desires against the good of the country. These politicians in turn made deals with lobbyists which in turn paid politicians for their support with money, favors, or support and so it goes until everyone has been corrupted beyond the point of return.

  • DaveH

    One thing that I’ve always thought was beneficial about limited Federal Government is the “Fishbowl Effect”. That is, if the individual states passed freedom-destroying or economy-destroying laws, then their neighbors in the US would be able to see the ill-effects and learn from them before their states made the same mistakes.
    Of course, the liberal control-freaks, want to promote their freedom-destroying, and economy-destroying laws on a national level so the citizens don’t have the opportunity to learn from the other states’ mistakes.

  • Sovereign Citizen

    I started reading the replys and quickly found good points made by everyone that simply turned into a word war with points being lost in the mudslinging and name calling.
    This is exactly what the socialists do…turn good people that love this nation into enemies against one another on a personal level and all unity is shot down while the socialists slink off of continue business as usual.
    Pitiful! Everyone has been touched by the socialist regime in one way or another. It didn’t just happen and it didn’t just start and the one key the socialists used to hide their dasterdly deeds?…Divide and Conquer! Divide on any and all personal basis possible and you have chaos NOT unity!
    PLEASE will everyone make their point and respect one anothers right to express themselves without turning a conversation into a war zone of division?

    • http://SovereignCitizen rod james

      Who you are talking about are not socialist. The will adopt any means to advance their
      agenda of turning America (and the World) into a giant profit machine for their profit as the only concern. These elitist families have supported and destroyed many different political, racial, cultural and religious ideologies for their own well being yet have not been loyal to any and have been doing so for more than hundreds of years

      • Sovereign Citizen

        I agree and you make a good point. I am very thankful it is a point made clearly and without involving others in a derogatory manner to make this point.
        I appreciate everyones input when reading comments and can best understand each when each is clear and not in retalliation and argumentative word wars clouding the information.
        Thank you for being concise,stating your view clearly and addrssing the matter free of argumenative responses due to views conflicting with others. It makes clear the view being made.
        It does not matter to me what other people refer to what is happening and who or why,by.
        The fact is this…no matter what anyone calls it, it is WRONG.
        Everyone expresses things in their own way with their own words at their own command and can not be made to express themselves exactly as someone else to be valid as their own personal response or comment.
        Unity is proven not in just expressing comments but what we as Sovereign Citizens of the 50 States United DO.
        We can not sit in judgement of others. We do not individually blindly follow the masses. We each have the privilege of responsibility as Sovereign Citizens to react and respond and when the basic truth is disagreement of what is going on in America Against every single Citizen by this administration and all its supporters we can UNITED be a force to correct and or eliminate the source of the problems and wrongs knowingly being carried out against us.
        Word wars between us resolve nothing but cause hurt feelings and disassociate others from being a part of the steps that need to be taken to resolve these matters.People learn from others that react to what they say. They learn sometimes gradually sometimes very quickly, depending upon the wisdom used in discussing the matters and not personal preferences or views on means of expression with those that express differently than they themselves.
        Men express themselves entirely differently than women and especially women of different ages. Most people have no real idea of what both the republicans and democrats are or stand for or have done to bring this nation to where it is now. Most people ‘say’ they are one or the other without understanding the volitile mission of both parties that are actively working against America and American Citizens so they are in effect ‘learning’ truths at this point and need to see the value of knowledge expressed in a manner that will enable them to learn the truth so that they too can become more effective as a Sovereign Citizen of The 50 States United in Defense of this nation.
        Thank you again for your response.

      • DaveH

        Whether they are Socialists, or Communists, or Fascists, or any other ideology, they cannot force their way on the people without the machinery of Big Government. That is our problem.

  • ONTIME

    Anytime the public decides that the government should be the primary entity to run any program or allow the government to fund a program the trouble is going to be the government will want to control the program and make all dependent on it’s wealth and size, they gobble up power in a way that is infringing on states rights and make major intrusive gains that never should have been allowed.. the government is not the solution it is the problem.

  • Sandy Bass

    I am all for it. Where does Kansas stand now and how many more delegates do we need?

  • TED GILSTRAP

    I AM 75 YEARS YOUNG… I WAS A SCHOOL STUDENT DURING THE TIME OF WORLD WAR TWO..WHEN PATRIOTISM, DISCIPLINE AND PRESISTANCE WERE THE ORDER OF THE DAY…… I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, CO-OP’D THRU 2 YEARS OF COLLEGE AND WENT INTO THE MILITARY FOR I6 YEARS ACTIVE AND 9 YEARS RESERVES….I AM VERY CONSERVATIVE IN AS MUCH AS; FREEDOM IS WHAT GAVE ME THE OPPORTUNITIES; DISCIPLINE IS THE BASES OF ALL EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES AND THAT A GREATER POWER EXIST AND IN THAT BELIEF IS THE FOUNDATION OF OUR BEING. … BUT GUESS WHAT, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE BABY BOOMERS AND MY GENERATIONS WE REALLY SCREWED UP THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM… WITH BOTH PARENTS WORKING AND LETTING SOMEONE ELSE RAISE OUR KIDS. AND SOME CASES KIDS RAISING KIDS. LBJ FINISHED IT OFF WITH THE “GREAT SOCIETY” … GIVE A LARGE PORTION OF OUR COUNTRY A “FREE RIDE” AND DUMBING THEM DOWN TO THE RESPONSIBILTY THAT EACH GENERATION HAS TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY A LITTLE FREE’R, A LITTLE SAFER, A LITTLE MORE PROSPERIOUS AND ALOT MORE UNIFIED FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL. WE ONCE WERE A GREAT NATION.

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/American_Peoples_Plebiscite/ Daniel Penisten

    The government structure intended to be Of The People, For The People and By The People is incomplete.
    The Law Of Three of Creation will be fulfilled in America, when We The People have established an American People’s Plebiscite as the Third House of Congress. This should be one of the revisions of the American Constitution.
    This will bring The People’s participation and control of their nation as Direct Democracy…in my opinion this would be the beginning of the American Vision fulfillment.
    Do this in the states first and then apply it to the Federal Government.

  • totherightofJohnBirch

    It is our responsibility to keep our government in line…We have failed to hold our politicians accountable. We have bought into their dogma, their rants and raves against the other party…To what effect? If we will not hold our politicians and lawmakers accountable- if they do not fear the American people- than it’s already too late. The economic crisis, the great subprime mortgage fraud fiasco in which so many people lost everything- and yet no reaction! Will we ever wake up? It’s time to stop being afraid- it’s time to start thinking of what is best for our nation- instead of what’s best for ourselves individually…
    Socialism is not good for America, and to hell with the traitors who would have you believe otherwise!!!

  • kelly griffin

    actions speak louder than words .let your voice be heard vote!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Karen

    I’ve never been a “political” person and even though I’m 66 years of age, I’ve not paid attention to the political arena until the last presidential election. The warning signs were all over the place before he was elected. The country is being run into the ground. I’ve attended the very peaceful and informative tea parties and am outraged at being referred to as a “mob” and/or a domestic terrorist. My husband served in the armed services as did my brother and I’m asking myself, “Is this what these guys and others have fought for?” My God, blood has been shed to keep this country free and now we have these people in Washington throwing it into the fire. This current administration is bad, bad news and they need to be voted out!!!!!

    • American Citizen

      Liberals and Democrats castigate the conservative talk show hosts. But they are the ones who tell us what is really going on. On Sean’s program this evening, he has a cameraman on there who videotaped a town hall meeting. The meeting was stacked. There were four union thugs there who screened the people who wanted to attend. They were from the Pipefitters union. They were on the outside of the hall and made sure that Democrats got the front seats and anybody else the back. They even assaulted the cameraman and broke his glasses.

      • http://aol Don

        I agree, but Bush goons did the same thing. The “big boys” in government do this. When Bush was campaigning in our area, the democrats couldn’t get in. Maybe a democrat could sneek in by wearing bush buttons and lie about their intentions, but bush speeches in our locality went smoothly. I don’t agree that those Republicans caring guns even though it might be legal should be allowed in.

  • CaliDave

    I think the government, or whoever is really in control, wants to keep us divided and fighting over political party, race, sexual orientation, or a host of other things so we don’t have time to pay attention to how they are destroying our country. We need to unite as Americans and hold our elected representatives accountable for what they have done.
    This country was once called a melting pot, I may be wrong but I always thought that was because people came from other countries and assimilated into American society. Now it seems people come from other countries and want to turn America into the country they left. Instead of a melting pot it’s more like a food fight at an all you can eat buffet. Be proud of your heritage but be an American first. As Benjamin Franklin once said, “We must all hang together or we most assuredly will hang seperately”.

    • gem Heyes

      Thank you for stating so clearly what so many of us have tried to explain to “open border” advocates. This is the United States of America and we are her citizens. 1 in every 9 of us has native American blood in our heritage, but by far our ancestors immigrated to this nation. We welcome immigrants who love our constitution, our way of life, our language and our country. If they wish to become citizens, pledge their loyalty, obey our laws, pay their fair share of taxes and live and work beside us, what more could anyone ask of them? So why is our own governments(Federal, state & local) asking us to tolerate illegal alien lawbreakers, free-loaders & American protestors in our OWN home? Why is my governor & congessmen allowing programs that assist elderly & disabled citizens to fail, while Increasing my taxes to fund programs to assist the ever growing illegal population? I am tired of hearing people scream “racist” at anyone who stands up for America & American’s

  • American Citizen

    The biggest problem this country has is its citizenry which is kept in ignorance by our educational system. I don’t know if they teach Civics in High School anymore as we were. There are far too many voting who don’t know what the heck they’re voting for. Maybe there should be a test we all have to take before we can vote. Less that a 90% and you’re told to leave and go get yourself educated.

    Also, the mainstream media does not dig for facts, but is mostly opinion. All I hear is how smart Obama is, how charismatic, etc. Ugh! He makes my skin crawl. His preaching at us turns me off. Take away his teleprompter and he makes gaffs. He is an arrogant B— who thinks he knows what’s good for us. We need to make him a one term president.

  • holidayzbeauty

    Stop sending them money and see what they do…..It is the duty of every member of society to stop financing the federal government and their socialist tactics. If they have no money they cannot steal anymore from we the people. Educate yourselves and find out what your rights are concerning federal income taxes. the truth is out and Americans are no longer financing the federal government through unfair taxation.

    • DaveH

      As I stated earlier, nice sentiment but it won’t work. They would just sell debt (probably to the Federal Reserve who would then give them cash money) and continue on. Our taxes would then come in the form of inflation. The only viable course is to throw all the Big-Government-advocating rascals out of office. It’s not hard to find out who they are. Just look at their voting record on various bills and you can see if they stand for Big-Government or Limited-Government. Of course, at present, almost all of them stand for Big-Government.

  • RJ

    Hi everybody;

    I’ve taken the time to read most of the comments – the voice of the ‘street’.
    Seems that I’m the only one here who’s had a direct experience w/ Soviet style socialism/communism in Prague (50′ & 60′) in a pro-American anticommunist family suffering severe persecution, e.g., starvation, hard labor, torture, prison, etc. My mother stood up to the Reds for 41 years! My dad & I escaped the Soviet tanks in 69/70′ after the Soviet invasion of 68′ to Switzerland. Therefore, I know a thing or two about real fear of the Gov & standing up despite the fear. I’ve been in the USA 27 years & am a proud & grateful citizen. Two weeks after my arrival in NYC in 82′, I noticed that most Americans take Freedom totally for granted (it didn’t change much even after 9/11. If you’d like to read my blog on 9/11 & the Soviet invasion [embedded are historic photos], go to: http://www.robertofprague.com About 60,000 people read it on various sites). Because I love this country & it’s founding principles I was taught by my parents in Prague, I began to speak on the issue of Liberty (how fragile & precious!) coast to coast ever since to groups large & small, never taking a penny. I owe it to God & to my dead baby-brother & ten friends who were killed in our struggle back then. Many of my US friends didn’t believe me then that our situation is that bad till now. All of them have left the two major parties & are now part of the Conservative Constitutional movement. They asked me, how did you know 27 years ago? I said, I earned my instincts & discernment on the blood soaked cobblestones in Prague, I connect the dots.
    I’ve been also writing & now e-mailing to Congress before I became a citizen & I get responses. I’ve attended the Tea Party on July 4th – only ~400 people showed up & last SA a big rally to take back UT – ~ 3,000 people attended. That’s a good sign.
    As some of you have correctly stated: we have to be Americans first, partisans last! We have to take time to hold the politicos feet to the fire (I watch C-SPAN daily) & get involved. Whether we like it or not, we have to examine our conscience, have a backbone & yes, repent. After all, God is the author of our Liberties & the source of all gifts. It makes no difference whether we believe or acknowledge it or not. This is an objective reality free from our petty bickering.
    The methods of the Left, secular Progressives, et al., & the powers that be are very pernicious: propaganda, misinformation, subterfuge, bribes, divide & conquer, etc.
    We must educate & teach (who else) our children (I did) the civics, our history, our values (the Constitution is but 12 pages!) as my parents did. We have to take responsibility for our in/actions & foibles, etc. There is still time but not much in my estimate; the 2nd Amendment is vital! I bet there is some sinister “final solution” plan being cooked up behind closed doors in the Swamp as we speak. Stalin, Hitler, etc. disarmed the people & established the rule of terror based on fear & snitches & the types just like ACORN! This Admin encourages this re: Obamacare; very evil! It takes only one person saying: I don’t think it’s that bad, I’m okay, I don’t wanna rock the boat, etc. Multiply that by millions & voila, here we are.
    We must demand fair elections by citizens only; no dead people or illegal immigrants; that’s a local issue! It follows that we must demand & get secured the S-border! According to my law enforcement sources, we have at least 70 million of illegals here!
    Let us also not forget the vast bureaucracy, state & Fed. Not all of them are bad but all feed off of the public trough (our taxes) & are not elected. How are we gonna get rid of these millions? Taking our country back is a Herculean task & it has to be done by millions of citizens acting in accord yet freely at the local level just as the sum of the free market is wiser than any Gov entity.
    We are at the tipping point: keeping our Liberties or a slide into a new hybrid – at first benign – mix of fascism/socialism (40-60 years of prior incrementalism; the trap is about to snap). A Soviet defector – Colonel fighter pilot – said it best: if you want to remain free, be well informed & righteous! Too many have become sheeple; they don’t realize how terrible it is to be a slave! It is up to us, We the people, to abolish this wicked, dark & rigged game being played w/ us for way too long.

    • Jim

      What does this have to do with ANYTHING we’re talking about? That ACORN fetish again, amazing. Do you have any other cliches to repeat?

      You’re right about being diligent to keep our liberties. Not to let brown shirt tactics squelch discourse, not let the government spy on you, not let them torture helpless people, not let them lead us to war on false pretenses and disciminate against people with other than christian faith. You’re right, we do need to protect thos rights.

    • American Citizen

      RJ, welcome to America. Like you, I am afraid for this country that it will no longer be the America I grew up in. Democrats and Liberals are in denial.

    • Lyle

      Thanks RJ

      Over the years , I’ve had the opportunity to talk to a number of folks or read letters from individuals like your self who have experienced first hand the horrors of Hitler’s carnage. It is interesting to note that all of you has claimed witness to the US as taking the same exact path over these past years as what happened in Germany and the USSR in previous years. In fact there are even some Americans who have taken notice as well.

      You would think that every historian in America and the free world would now be shouting from the roof tops this ominous warning. You would think that the media would be asking direct questions of our leaders instead of covering the more smutty and provocative Hollywood news. Perhaps they weigh silent because no one has their ears on nor dares to pay heed. Perhaps some folks need to see their friends and family dragged off to the gulag before they decide that something is not as it should be.

    • DaveH

      Excellent post RJ. I disagree somewhat on the border issue, though. I think we should make it easier for them to come into the country, but not tolerate people who slip in illegally.
      I have a neighbor who came to this country 30 years ago from Czechoslovakia and he had similar experiences. He saw his country change pretty much like he is now seeing it change here, and of course this distresses him terribly. He doesn’t think there is any hope, but I do.

    • gem Heyes

      thank you! God bless u!

  • maujds

    if what i know about NEA teachers is that other than Private schools, public school teachers are paid by the state via the school district then dues are taken out of the public school teachers pay. Hum, my tax dollars going to the Unions.
    The NRA you don’t have money taken out of your pay to be a NRA member. you pay because it is your choice to pay to be a NRA member.

  • michele

    Thank you so much for the article and the truth for which it stands!!!!! What we see in the White House needs to be stopped and thats why I have so much respect for the right side because they show good character by the way they act!! It is our duty to stand for what is good and right and it will always win not matter what ! I appreciate the information that you are sending out and its people like you that make me proud to be an American!!! God has blessed us so very much and we need to stand on the principles that made America Great!

  • http://none Dale

    To Karen, I too am a veteran (same age as you) and BO is a disgrase to every man and woman who served time in the military and their families. You asked what purpose we served, well disgusting as it is, we all made it possible for BO to be elected by the electoral delegates.

    You cannot vote for the president, but you can vote the house, senate, and congress out of office.

    To Smilee and all those that do not understand basic economics…

    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WORKING FOR A PAYCHECK JUST ECONOMIC FACT, government employees do not pay taxes. Taxes deducted from their tax revenue based paycheck reduces the amount of tax they take (or the amount they add to debt).

    YOU CANNOT PAY TAXES WITH TAXES!

    If what you claim is true the Teachers should be able to pay their own salaries from the taxes they pay?? The dues they pay are derived from tax revenue that they did not contribute to.

    If you still believe this not true try this simple math test: I’ll even give you a $1000 head start.

    Put the $1000 in a jar, take out $500 for pay then put back $50 for taxes and another $50 for social security. Take out another $500 for pay then put back $50 for taxes and another $50 for social security.

    Bet you cannot do a third one, so where does the money come from? This is a reality check. No, Government spending including payroll does not come from government sources. Government spending is either private sector taxes or added to national debt.

    Adding government employees does three things, one it reduces tax revenue, two it increases government expense, three it reduces the buying power of those that actually pay taxes. Still don’t understand, as any accountant to explain it to you.

    • I.Maaden

      Excellent explanation of the situation. It’s simple, you cannot tax yourself into prosperity! But that concept appear to be beyond the “dumbed down” masses.

    • s c

      You rely on facts, not feel-good emotions. You know the difference between delusional, pc hype and shinola.
      Some know nothing about economics (including b o and his flunkies). They don’t want to think. They ‘feel.’ They live in denial. They worship proven losers like John Maynard Keynes. They see
      spending other people’s money as a virtue. They do not hesitate to enslave future generations (it’s so convenient).
      If they had their way, everyone would be a government ‘employee’ or dependent upon the government. You care enough to tell them what they need to know. That’s all any responsible citizen can do.

    • Smilee

      # Dale on August 10th, 2009 at 11:05 pm:

      Basic economies, you do not even understand that, what you do not seem to understand that once the teacher receives his/her pay it is no longer government money or taxes as you say, at that moment it becomes the private property of the teacher and no longer tax money.

      This is probably far to deep for your simple mind given the simple conclusions you came up with. Your jar example shows how little you know about math albeit it was a funny concept unless you truly believe this fiction.

  • dotti

    Norm,

    I am curious. What kind of cars do you own?

  • bazdmeg

    Well Done, Bob for clarifying with razor sharpness the problem.
    Sounds like a call for the 2nd American Revolution.
    Unfortunately the old saying “give them an inch and they’ll
    take a mile” is so true, except in this case it’s miles and miles.
    Wake up Americans ! Read Your founding documents, the
    Constitution, See how your Education system has been revised and obliterated, to push a socialist, agenda, straight
    out of Markxist/Leninist mindsets.
    How do you change a peoples mindset?? over a 20 – 25 year
    period, via corrupting the minds of the youngest and instilling
    in them your agenda, look at your kids school books !!
    WORKERS of the WORLD UNITE !!

  • http://none Dale

    I live in a small rural community where it is easy to track where the students go. For the past 20+ years those students that went on to college divided into two basic categories, Teachers and Private sector employees and/or business owners.

    What consistently stands out is that the students with the worst grades became teachers. The requirements to become a teacher are the easiest classes you can take in college. It is much more difficult to become and accountant, engineer, business manager, doctor, nurse, and even an attorney.

    It is said that only 2% of the graduate students pass the CPA exam the first time. Teachers should have at least equal requirements, after all, are they not the front line, teaching our kids and grandkids how to cope with life?

    The education system is geared towards training students to become teachers not professionals. With low qualification requirements you no longer have teachers that are capable of teaching to levels necessary to become professionals.

    Just as an example: How can a professor who has never been owned or worked for a business write an effective business plan? Without experience it is not possible.

    One cannot teach beyond their own capability. Dumb students make Dumb Teachers.

    Unions like dumb teachers because these teachers give their money and don’t ask questions.

    The unions are in it for the teachers money not for the purpose of quality education. Our educational system has been rated one of the poorest in the world for many, many years. The union and the teachers are the educational system, so what does this tell you?

    • s c

      Dale, unions attract teachers the same way manure and rotting flesh attract flies. It’s no secret that public education is a monumental failure. This is why parents who care have turned to homeschooling. They’ve had more than enough. They know their kids get one chance at an education, and a public school is not the best place to get it.
      Parents must trust those who deserve their trust. That rules out many teachers, most administrators, and all politicians and teacher unions. They’ve had many years to show what they can do. Unfortunately, they have all but destroyed public education, and naive taxpayers continue to foot the bill.
      An old adage says a parent is worth many, many teachers. It’s true. Parents don’t have to go to a college or a university to outperform a system that needs to be scrapped. A parent is a ready-made teacher. A parent needs no degree or state license. And, a parent can’t be bought by vested interests seeking money and power. Parents are the cure. Public education is the disease.

      • Chuckray

        Let us not forget that many teachers are dedicated, but can’t do anything about the “system.”

  • http://NA John Goodman

    We must Create a Website to Abbloish the Federal Reserve

  • http://NA John Goodman

    We Need To Create Petitions To Impeach Mr Barak Obama

    • http://aol Don

      Your life must in chaos. Go ahead and blame it on the government.

    • Billy Wells

      On what grounds?

  • Harold

    I don’t care what your party affiliation is or what your religious beliefs may be, but the Dimocrats (not mispelled) in Camp Run Amok (Washington D.C.) are bankrupting us and leading our Great Republic down a path to ruin .

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      This is true, I cannot refute that, nor can anyone interested in the real truth. Thats how it is, and one cannot change fact. Very well and truthfully spoken. Thank you.

    • Billy Wells

      ow We Get Out of the Great Depression II
      By Steven Stoft, March 2, 2009
      Here we go again: Hoover got us in, and WWII got us out. Bush got us in, and

      to his credit, starting trying to get us out. Though, mostly he threw money at bankers.
      In the Great Depression, Roosevelt tried deficit spending, but he was too timid. Then he stopped in 1937 and the economy nose-dived. It took the humongous deficits of WWII to pull us out of the Great Depression. Those deficits blasted the economy from depression into overdrive.
      Of course after the war, we had to pay off a huge national debt, but during that time, from 1946 to 1980, the economy was mainly quite prosperous. We hit a bad recession when Reagan took office, and his early deficit spending made sense (though he didn’t know it). But then he continued to drive up the debt through the boom years that followed. That didn’t make any sense.
      We are now headed into the worst slump since 1938, and you better hope Obama can fix it because that was not a pretty time. Unfortunately, as in the Great Depression, the extreme conservatives would rather trash the country than have our government succeed. They are much worse than Bush.
      The main thing to remember is that, with consumer spending going down, business is going to lay people off—not hire them. You can’t blame business for this. It’s just a vicious cycle the economy gets into. Any you can’t blame consumers for not spending in bad times. The only way out of this, if we don’t want to wait 10 or 20 years, is for the government to spend, pay unemployment insurance, or give tax breaks to people who will spend (not the rich). Of course there’s also the problem of the banks. Obama should stop saving the bankers, and just take over the bad banks. Once they’re working they can be sold back to the private sector.

      Check out the graph on the Web Site. After WWII the deficit was higher than it is now and we survived as a nation.
      http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

  • Chuckray

    Harold,
    I agree with you, but what are republicans doing about all the unconstitutional maneuvers of the Obama administration? Nothing. They don’t have the guts! Sarah Palin the bravest politician out there.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      The problem I see, is if a republican stands up and points out the truth, they and their family and children are in for a public prosecuting like theyve never seen. When the national news media of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC are propaganda wings of the democratic party, and everyone knows that they are, your going to get abused, just like they did Sarah Palin, who is as upstanding as they get. People get tired of their families and everything being insulted and assaulted, and the left doesnt have to go through this, and they shouldnt. It has long been understood to leave children and family out of politics, but the left feels since they had no platform , no plan, and nothing going for them, they had to attack attack attack, and tell lies about Sarah because frankly, she scares the hell out of them. They dont like people who actually sit in government office’s and do what they were elected to do, serve the people, and the people of Alaska were better served by their Governor than any state in the union, and that is a fact. Makes me sick to know that people can be that cruel to falsely accuse and attack her and her family like they did. What a callous bunch.

      • Billy Wells

        Sarah is not very bright. She proved that with her interviews. What you read is NOT a gotcha question. It’s simple. I read feild and stream, Hot Rod Magazine, and the daily news. See how easy that is?
        She also paraded her family everywhere she went. The kids were always there. She put them in the spot light there for making them easy targets. With as much coverage as Obama got we seldom saw his kids. He wanted to be the center of attention and kept his kids behind the scenes.
        The health care plans she had control over in her state of Alaska let hundreds of elderly people die while waiting for assesment.
        And when things got too hard for her to handle, she simply QUIT!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Excuse me? I have seen Obama’s kids on the news twice as much as the Palin’s, but I see no problem with the parents spending time with their kids, uh, isnt that what being a family is about? You think it should be different because someone is a politician? Your crazy. The press needs to leave family personal things out of it, because let kids be kids. I remember the press field day with one of the Bush girls getting in trouble. So what. Leave the family out of it. And you think she isnt bright, doesnt bid well with showing the amount of smarts you have. She is extremely intelligent. You honestly think someone escalated to the point of being the Governor of one of the biggest and beautiful states in the country, without having any smarts? Come on man, give credit where credit is due. She is very smart, very articulate, and had McCain and the repubs acted sooner with her on the ticket, they would have won, even though McCain was 150 years old. Like his age wasnt a problem eh? Fool yourself if you want, but if the republicans smarten up and move back to being conservatives like they are supposed to be, they will run her and she will win in a landslide, and I dont even think it will be Obama running. I think the dems will have thrown him under the bus by then, blaming him for all their bad decisions when they made them, and they will try to run Hillary, which will be their biggest mistake. Of course, what do I know, I only represent the beliefs of the common man who is in touch with real life.

        • Less Nessly

          Obama did not trot his family all over the country like Sarah did. She took them out of school and brought them down to the lower 48 to show them off. She preached family values but obviously new nothing about or her daughter wouldn’t have gotten knocked up. She would have taught her daughter family values and to wait, or at least how to protect herself.
          She proved in interviews with the press that she is not very well informed. They were not Gotcha questions either as she cried they were. At first glance, yes she looks apealing as a politician, but once you get beneath it all you see the truth. And if nothing else, in true Rebulican Form, she QUITS!

          • DaveH

            Less,
            So then, you condemn John Edwards for cheating on his wife and apparently having a child with her?

          • Tucker Rain

            The Constitutional requirements for government positions consist only of citizenship and age. Any US citizen of age qualifies. Being informed is not a requirement. Why do you think US presidents have advisors?
            The current illegal government we have (not just D.C.) apparently requires a legal degree, an aversion to truth, and the absence of a conscience. Oh, and an obsession with money & power. All of which leave a gaping hole in your soul you will forever be trying to fill.

            “There are none so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.” –Goethe

          • Less Nessly

            DavidH,
            Yes I do think John Edward was wrong to cheat on his wife and knock up someone else. When you get married you make a commitment to that person. Just like Mark Sanford, what a scum. Even President Clinton. What they did was wrong. But it was not an impeachable offense for Clinton, and shouldn’t be for Mark Sanford either. Sanford should be impeached because he used state money to travel and just disappeared for several days and didn’t tell anyone where he was. He was MIA. Whay if they would have needed the governor while he was out getting some?

        • Foolpatrol

          Palin Endorses “Death Panels” in Alaska!

          WHEREAS, one of the principal goals of Healthcare Decisions Day is to encourage hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living facilities, continuing care retirement communities, and hospices to participate in a statewide effort to provide clear and consistent information to the public about advance directives, as well as to encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to improve public knowledge and increase the number of Alaska�s citizens with advance directives.

          WHEREAS, the Foundation for End of Life Care in Juneau, Alaska, and other organizations throughout the United States have endorsed this event and are committed to educating the public about the importance of discussing healthcare choices and executing advance directives.

          Google has a cache of the page from the Alaska website before it was scrubbed of all evidence that she’d ever been Governor of Alaska.

          End of Life Care
          http://juneau-end-of-life-care.org/

          • Carol Roy

            Why hasn’t Obama had to show his proof of citizenship?

        • Foolpatrol

          •StopMiningLies wrote on 08/13/2009 01:40:21 PM:

          What an absolute moron this woman is!

          As a physician…EVERY DAY we’re faced with private insurers “rationing” care. I try and write a prescription for a patient…and we get a request from the insurer for prior authorization. If they don’t agree the patient needs it…they deny it.

          Sarah (and like-minded loudmouth morons): Where’s your anger/signs/outrage over this????

          Dr. Mat S.

          • American Citizen

            If you’re really a doctor, do you accept Medicare patients? How do you like the paperwork and the fact Medicare sets the prices it will pay? How much does it cost you to treat a patient on Medicare? That’s what you can look forward to with Obama’s plan, only it will be worse.

    • Billy Wells

      What makes her brave? She just quit. Quitters are not brave at all.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Ah, but sometimes there is a motive behind things, like maybe she is gearing up for a run at the presidency in 2012, and she actually thought it would be better for her state for her to step down, and let someone run it that could pay full attention to it, which she wouldnt be able to do if gearing up for a 2012 run. Of course being a democrat, you probably would understand the thought of a politician actually putting the people that elected them first, now would you? Of course not. Now stop being a twit, and enjoy watching poetry in motion as the Republicans first capture back all the seats in 2010, then the rest in 2012. Read em and weep sucker, read em and weep.

        • Billy Wells

          Well, Sarah Palin stepping down as Gov. of Alaska was certainly a good thing for Alaska. Now maybe elderly people there won’t be ignored and won’t die because no one cared about them.
          But still, when you have a job to do you see it through. You don’t just up and quit. So far she has not given any reason for quitting. If she would have said, because she wants to run for higher office, or to be a better mom to my kids, or to simply say she’d rather write poety. I could respect that. But to just say I quit is nothing than a quitter and we don’t need a quitter President.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgiqSNNuhQg

          • American Citizen

            It was apparent to me from the beginning of the video it had been edited to make her sound like an idiot. You can’t trust the government biased channels.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I will give you your opinion as you are an American and entitled to it. My opinion is she would be a far better credit than what we are dealing with today. We sir, will have to agree, to disagree. P.S. dont be convinced of things by propaganda.

        • Billy Wells

          And I would tell you the same. Don’t be convinced of things by propaganda.

          I don’t have to listen to news talking heads to make up my mind about Sarah, she proves it to me everytime I see or hear her.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Exactly. Everytime I see her and hear her speak, I think what a credit to politicians she is. To think there is actually a politician out there that really serves the people as she was elected to serve, is wonderful. She has shown over and over how much smarter she is than 99 percent of those in office, and that America is what she represents, not the terrorists, not terrorist regimes, not Iran, Pakistan, Syria or any other countries that some like to kiss up to and apologize to, for us being successful, but she represents who she was elected to represent, Americans. I have a deep respect for that.

          • Smilee

            Mark says:
            August 12, 2009 at 2:21 pm

            Mark

            The only person Sarah serves is Sarah, you are just obsessed with her physical beauty and it has made you delusional and unable to comprehend who she really is and how lacking in brains she is. Admittedly she is a very beautiful woman and what hot blooded man would want to kick her out of bed for eating crackers despite the irritation.

            YOU WROTE

            August 12, 2009 at 2:21 pm

            Exactly. Everytime I see her and hear her speak, I think what a credit to politicians she is. To think there is actually a politician out there that really serves the people as she was elected to serve, is wonderful. She has shown over and over how much smarter she is than 99 percent of those in office, and that America is what she represents, not the terrorists, not terrorist regimes, not Iran, Pakistan, Syria or any other countries that some like to kiss up to and apologize to, for us being successful, but she represents who she was elected to represent, Americans. I have a deep respect for that.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        What are you saying Billy, that rehab is for quitters? Is that how it is with you, that if you quit something for a good reason, your just a quitter?

        • Billy Wells

          Oh don’t act so stupid, oh sorry, you’re not acting. She quit her job without explaination. This is a job she was elected to do, took an oath to do, bragged about how good she was doing it, and then without reason quit. She didn’t quit to run for President, or Senate or even just to a Mom. She just quit. If she would have said I’m leaving to do such and such that would be one thing. But she didn’t. She made sure to make it into a BIG event though and make sure all the country got to see it. Made sure everyone saw her with her FAMILY out there on the boat in her waders taking a break. She’s a joke now. The thing is it seems that people in Alaska liked her until she got a taste of the real world politics showed her true hateful partisin colors.
          No you are trying to compair her to a drug user with your rehab remark. That is totally different. Those people in rehad are not quitting. They are just starting. They are moving from something they know they did wrong to something better. Or are you saying that Sarah knows she was a terrible governor and want to improve her life? Because she really sucked at her job and knew it? Ok, I just the point for you, no need for you explain. She was right to quit. She sucked at her job. Sorry I questioned you.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Right Billy, whatever you say. So she was the Governor of Alaska, actually served the people, balanced the budget, gave money back to the people, and you say she sucked at her job. Right Billy, whatever you say. I would say somebody is politically biased here, and it isnt me. She was a success through and through, and your democrats sought to destroy her with false charges resulting in her having to spend a million dollars to defend herself, against these false charges, all because your side is scared to death of her. Why is it your side has all this money to do things like this, yet you all try to convince everyone your the poor guys and the republicans are the rich guys? Seems to me rich democrats own everything. From what Ive seen in politics, she was the best one Ive ever seen, someone who actually represented the people that elected her. You dont see that everyday. So you can do your left wing thing and state lie after lie if you want, but at the end of the day, when the facts are ACTUALLY looked at, she was the best Governor in the Nation. What state you from, and how is your budget? Your probably from New York or California which would explain your thinking.

    • Foolpatrol

      Leading conservative economist Bruce Bartlett writes that the Obama-hating town-hall mobs have it wrong—the person they should be angry with left the White House seven months ago.

      Where is the evidence that everything would be better if Republicans were in charge? Does anyone believe the economy would be growing faster or that unemployment would be lower today if John McCain had won the election? I know of no economist who holds that view. The economy is like an ocean liner that turns only very slowly. The gross domestic product and the level of employment would be pretty much the same today under any conceivable set of policies enacted since Barack Obama’s inauguration.

      The GOP’s Misplaced Rage – The Daily Beast
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-08-12/the-gops-misplaced-rage/full/

      • American Citizen

        If Obama had just let things alone, the economy would have rebounded on its own, it always does. What he is doing is slowing down the economy. You don’t make things better by taking more out in the form of taxes. History shows that if he had cut taxes, the economy would be much better by now. It would not be completely better, but at least on its way. As it is now, people are still being laid off. We just had another layoff here in our town. It hurts to see people lose their jobs.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpbSwSlP4Yc Stassi Parker

          American Citizen,

          Ummmm, I got my federal taxes reduced back in April. People I knew on unemployment then got an increase in bennefits.
          on 12/18/2008 I paid $171.72 in Federal income tax for one week. on 8/13/2009 I paid $157.13 in Federal income tax. Ummmm that’s a reduction in taxes. It was part of the stimulis plan that was passed. The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy are still in effect and did not expire yet. (I think)
          No please tell, how does an ecconomy rebound on it’s own when more and more people keep getting laid off?
          How do you keep people from getting laid off?
          How do you create jobs and not spend money?
          Do you know how the US got out of the great depression?
          WWII brought us out of the great depression. It was spending! Government Spending Deficit Spending! They didn’t have the money in the bank to pay for that. The federal deficit exploded! It spiked to 120% GDP in around 1945. The government spent so much money on the war and so many people went to work that it ended the depression. Then because things were good people were working and paying taxes in the 50′s and 60′s it went down to about 40% GDP. Right now we are about 80% GDP. The policies that you blame Obama for are only now starting to actually take effect. He has only been in office a few months, things are not going to change in a few months. You show how little you know with you dumb remarks and no proff to back them up.
          National Debt Graph
          http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

          Foolpatrol, great job with the info. And ain’t fun to argue with these people that think they know everything because they listen to Rush Limbaugh?

          • American Citizen

            Who do you listen to as it seems to me you talk as though you know everything. Young people are not listening to the wisdom of their elders. We don’t need to listen to Rush, Sean or anyone else to know what’s what. All we have to do is listen and see what the politicians are doing. From life experiences, we can tell you if it’s a good thing or not. What Obama is doing is not a good thing.

            Oh, by the way, you need a lawyer to do a living will, not a doctor, at least you should. Elder lawyers are up on all the laws that concern senior citizens. That’s the way we went.

            Due to people being observant about what’s in that healthcare bill, the pols took out the “death care panel” provision. Our primary care doctor advised us to go to a lawyer. We don’t need Obama to tell the doctors what to do.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        The economy would be, for the simple fact it was rolling around real good, until the last year and half when all knew Bush was on his way out because of his terms being up, and pretty much those that own businesses knew the democrats were coming in. Business knows, and its a fact, democratic administrations raise taxes. They tax business. They are going to rescind the Bush tax cuts in 2010. They are going to up taxes on business. So business stops expanding, stops hiring, lays of people, to save money to pay the new upcoming tax bills. They have to have cash to pay these taxes. As soon as Obama got elected, mass layoff hit everywhere, and when these 2010 tax cuts get stopped, more will pay with their jobs. So turn it anyway you want, facts are facts, and this is how it is. I know, our business had to do this, along with hundreds of others I personally know. Tax monsters have to be paid, and we all agreed on this.

        • Smilee

          You will never get right will you, the economy was roiling right along with lots of bubbles in it being inflated due in large part to Bush and republican policies and then shortly before the election some burst and the economy came tumbling down, in his desperation he pressed for and received the TARP funds to soften the blow, he needed this but handled it badly as his love for his rich buddies now in trouble took priority over the rest of us and Then Obama took over his mess and it will take some time to clean it up, but rather than be honest you blame him before he has had the time to screw it up as you so stupidly allege.

          • American Citizen

            Actually, the mess is due to the Democrats in Congress not doing their jobs. President Bush warned Dodd, Rangle and Frank that there were problems three years ago, but they assured him all was well. It was even on the internet as long ago as two years that the housing industry was facing a bust.

    • Foolpatrol

      Palin For ‘Death Panels’ Before She Was Against Them?

      Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor
      In recent weeks, right-wing groups have been pushing the myth that health care reform will somehow kill seniors. One of the most high profile voices pushing this lie has been Sarah Palin, who claimed President Obama will institute bureaucratic “death panels.” Today, again on her Facebook page, she continued the attack. Though some Republicans have rebuffed this absurd, inaccurate notion — like Johnny Isakson (R-GA), who called such talk “nuts” — others, like Newt Gingrich, have piled on to agree with Palin.

      However, on April 16th 2008, then Gov. Sarah Palin endorsed some of the same end of life counseling she now decries as a form of euthanasia. In a proclamation announcing “Healthcare Decisions Day,” Palin urged public facilities to provide better information about advance directives, and made it clear that it is critical for seniors to be informed of such options:

      http://thinkprogress.org

      /2009/08/13/palin-deathpanel-flipflop/#comments

    • Foolpatrol

      Palin would sell her family entire including Baby T for thirty pieces of silver if it were politically expedient.

  • American Citizen

    Has anybody been watching the Town Hall meetings? I’m so proud of those who are speaking out and standing up to the pols. It’s fun to watch them try to squirm their way out of things.

    • http://aol Don

      Well orchestrated planted asto-turf. Congrats on the chaos.

      • American Citizen

        Baloney, those are ordinary American citizens exercising their rights. When the left shouts down at speaker at a University or elsewhere, that’s OK with you, I guess. Those people at the Town Hall meetings are just trying to get themselves heard as those in government ignore our wishes.

        At Baron Hill’s town meeting yesterday, one citizen came up with the idea for the Feds to issue vouchers to poor people with which to buy insurance. Good idea. The Feds can tell insurance companies they have to take those with pre-existing conditions and give them portability when they change jobs if they need it. There also needs to be tort reform. Why should a person become a millionaire because a doctor makes a mistake. Doctors don’t make mistakes on purpose, they are not God. Some people sue because they don’t like the outcome of a surgery. I remember years ago a woman sued after a hysterectomy because of the scar. She said it turned her husband off. Every surgery leaves a scar for pete’s sake.
        Those huge awards do not help the rest of us. The lawyers get most of the money.

        • http://aol Don

          They are ordinary American citizens exercising their rights. Quite of few of them that are brought in by the bus load do not want to have a dialogue. No matter who is doing the shouting, it is wrong. Most people can’t understand what they are saying so they make the meeting futile. Why waste the time of the more sincere and respectful people who show up. They are also Americans who would like information from both sides.
          When a person needs a million dollars for care the rest of their life, because the doctor made a mistake, he deserves more than 25,000 which has been proposed.

          • American Citizen

            Those that were brought in by the busload were Obama’s people. ACORN and ISEU had busloads of people at those town hall meetings. The people who were there who do not want Obama’s version of healthcare came in cars. The parking lots were full of them. Get your facts straight.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Thats pretty much a reason why medical is so high, because doctors pay astronomical insurance rates, because the crooked lawyers see huge dollars in suing them, right John Edwards? If we could take all these crooked lawyers and judges out of the equation, a lot of things would be quite a bit cheaper, but these scourges of society have it set up so they get paid for almost everything. What a crock.

          • Smilee

            Mark,

            The cost of lawsuits account for less than 2% of the annual medical costs in this country, overhead of health insurance companies can and has run as high on the large end to 40% (they range from 20 to 40%)and most of this is because they hire doctors, nurses and others to find ways to limit, deny or ration health care and this also increases the office costs of the health care providers who have to respond to their inquires etc and this drives cost up far more than lawsuits. Law suits also insure that those damaged by malpractice to not have to finance the doctors mistakes, Some doctors now feel they should admit their mistakes up front and work with the patient instead of denying it and thus the cost of ligation, so you see the doctors themselves are in part to blame. Insurance companies also fleece the doctors on malpractice insurance as they do us on health care premiums. You are always blaming those your hate and not the real perpetrators.

      • American Citizen

        There’s no real chaos. People just want to be heard. It does no good to write or call those pols, they do the President’s bidding. The only violence has been on the other side. The leftist media is mischaracterizing what is happening and you believe them.

        • http://aol Don

          Most of the media is owned by the Republicans.

          • holidayzbeauty

            lmao

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpbSwSlP4Yc Stassi Parker

          American Citizen,
          Where do you get your news? Fox is not showing you the videos of the angry mobs. They are denying it. But it is true. Try watching Rachel Maddow on MSNBC. She does a good job at explaining what is going on. Then just for fun turn over to Sean Hannity on Fox and see what he is saying. I watch them both because I love how different they can spin stuff. Just like Bill Clinton going to N. Korea and getting the journelist prisoners released and brought them back to the US. Now I thought that was a great story. Political prisoners being released from North Korea. Score one for the US! Not according to sean Hannity. Oh that was one of the worst things Clinto could have done. Guess Sean likes seeing and knowing people are being tortured. Well, we know he does because he continues to defend DICK Cheney doing it to our prisoners.

          • Smilee

            Your talking to mostly conservatives here and as they worship at the feet of FOX and because of that can only see and hear this bias and thus it narrows and blocks any other input and thus their limited ability to reason correctly. Thanks for the truth.

          • Tanya Peterson

            Smilee,

            Ain’t if fun to get them all excited and upset though? I mean we are open minded and can see both sides of an issue, but when these Fox News Zombies try to present their facts it’s just funny because they can only present the things that Fox News tells them about. If they really cared about the country they would have stood up to Bush long before he left the country tank instead of just being yes people. And why are they all soi afraid of Rush Limbaugh? That guy is a giant jerk there.

  • Al. Vet

    The federal government has forgotten that they are servants of “we the people.”

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Thank you. Well said and factual. They are elected to SERVE us. Nowadays, weve got guys in high places serving our enemies more than We The People, and that is not right.

      • Smilee

        They are elected to serve all the people and now that the majority being served do not agree with you and your kind you think you are being ignored, no, it is just that most people will be heard and decisions in the end may not be to your liking that does not mean they are not serving the people. You may not like the outcome of some elections but Mark, elections do have consequences. Dry your tears and move on Mark.

  • http://none Dale

    To Smilee, you must have missed the whole point of the conversation. It is about where the money comes from and why government is in deep doo doo. No one can spend themselves out of debt which is exactly what govennment is doing when they continue to grow beyond their means, creating jobs, etc.

    The point is that government employees do not contribute to the tax base that their paycheck comes from, hence the math example that shows what happens when you continue to take more money than you contribute.

    Government has no money except that which they tax from the private sector and that which they add to the national debt.

    Using tax revenue to pay ones salary does not negate the fact that the money was derived from tax revenue. Money taken from salaries paid with tax revenue does not add to the tax base, it just reduces the amount of tax revenue spent to pay ones salary.

    It is just a simple matter of balancing debits and credits, no different than balancing your check book, something big government obviously does not know how to do.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      The government likes to take it out of the right pocket and put it in the left pocket, then make it disappear into their own pockets. Oh yeah.

      • Smilee

        Like I said, Simple thinkers!!

    • Smilee

      It is the governments money when they have possession of it, once they pay for goods or services from the private sector, and as we are all a part of, It then becomes the property of the private sector and no longer government property and like every other person they have to pay taxes if it is due and is paid in the same manner as everyone else. Only simple thinkers could reach your conclusion.

      • American Citizen

        No matter how you slice it, it’s still tax money that you spend/use when it comes from the government. History shows that every time taxes are lowered, the governments’ coffers grow tremendously. The problem then becomes that government still spends more money than it takes in. Then it goes back to raising taxes and makes matters worse because people don’t have as much to spend, so there goes jobs. Also, if the Federal Government didn’t take so much of our money, the states could raise their taxes a little in order to balance their budgets. The money Washington sends back to the states goes through too many hands before it gets there. If it stays in the states to begin with, the states would have more money and wouldn’t have to cut services. The same goes for the medical system. When there is not enough money to cover services, they are cut which mean rationing.

  • Al. Vet

    As i read the posts on here one thing stands out.Instead of generating togetherness as Americans,many of you are playing the blame game.While you are calling each other names because you are in different political parties,this country and your constitutional rights are being trampeled on by said politicians.What i see here are people being slowly ground up in the wheels of a government that has become far to large,evasive and abusive of its power.It has shown it has no fiscal responsibity and is going out of control.The politicians will pay us lip service,but just dismiss our wants and get on with their own agendas.This is applicable from the bottom to the top.Wake up people,they work for “we the people”,not the other way around.There is no perfect government and there never will be,but remember,if we don’t pull together as a free people,there will come a day when we will be reduced to mere ‘subjects”.

    • Smilee

      You are not to bad at the blame game yourself!!

  • Harold

    Chuckray: Forgot to mention the other party………………..The Republicants!!

  • John

    I don’t mind paying some taxes,because I think we need some government,but if the government starts to over-tax us into poverty,then who will pay taxes to pay the teacher,firemen,policemen ect.. I do think that social security should be voluntary though,that’s the only tax that I hate,it should be 100% voluntary.

    • Norm

      John
      The problem with voluntary social security is simple.
      The people who need it most would never participate. Then when they can’t or won’t work any longer the’ll cry for govey handouts. People with any sense of responsibility would, of course, be a part of the plan, even when they may never need it.

      • DaveH

        Many people don’t bother to take care of themselves because they feel that government will take care of them. That won’t change until the government quits spoiling them. Most people don’t learn by listening and thinking, they learn by experience. As long as experience doesn’t teach them any tough lessons they won’t learn.

        • Foolpatrol

          Health Care Facts!

          Here’s a few facts:

          An uninsured woman diagnosed with Breast Cancer is 60% more likely to die than an insured woman with the same disease. -American Cancer Society-

          Uninsured Americans wait longer and are sicker before seeking medical treatment. Therefore, treatment is more expensive and outcomes are poorer.

          Americans die from treatable conditions as a result of inaccessible preventative care and lack of diagnostic procedures and treatment.

          The majority of the 47 million of uninsured Americans are the working poor.

          8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage

          Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.

          Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays: Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.

          Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

          Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill.

          Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender.
          Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.

          Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

          Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won’t be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.

          Learn more and get details: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/health-insurance-consumer-protections/

        • Billy Wells

          Foolpatrol
          That is great. So many of these people here only listen to what they want to hear. They are mad as hell, but really have no clue why. LOL

        • DaveH

          WhiteHouse.gov? No bias there.
          I’ve had CFIDS since I was 26, which results in flu-like symptoms about 2-3 days a week. I worked anyway and paid big taxes over the years. You want me to pay my hard-earned money for other people’s health care? Get real, pay for it yourself, don’t steal my money.
          When an insurance company doesn’t stick to their contract, you can go to the government. Where do you go when the government is the insurer? And they will be the only one over time, if people are foolish enough to buy into the propaganda. They say the taxpayer won’t be asked to cover the shortfall for their plan. Can you name one underwater government agency that the taxpayer hasn’t had to bail out? They’re already bailing out private industry. They won’t bail themselves out? Patrol yourself.

        • DaveH

          Here is an interview with a guy (Daniel Hannan) who lives with national healthcare. Learn from other peoples’ mistakes. Don’t continue repeating history.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIAlYslBdu8

        • DaveH

          Oh yeah, chime in Billy. The Blind leading the Blind.

        • holidayzbeauty

          Excellent point!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      I cant help but think about, that if social security was a private retirement plan, and all the money I have had taken from me and put into this, was actually put into a privatized account, Id be sitting really pretty right now. The way it is, being 51, all this cash Ive put into it, I probably wont see a cent when Im of age to draw out. Shame is, I keep hearing how the “baby boomers” are so many and are really draining it now, well excuse me, didnt these same “baby boomers”, pay into this thing for 40 stinking years? Where did all that money go, besides subsidizing illegal aliens and all other kinds of bullcrap going to those who never paid into it. This is so wrong on so many levels, and those that got into it and spent it should be prosecuted as criminals. I dont care if it was Clinton, Bush, or before or after them, someone got into it and misappropriated it, and they should be in jail for it, because face it, its robbery.

      • Billy Wells

        I think most people actually draw more out than they actually pay in. The problem is that now that baby boomers are old and starting to draw out of it, there are more people drawing out than are paying in.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          But if those same baby boomers paid in for 30 to 40 years when none of them were drawing out, shouldnt there have been a surplus, a really big surplus in there for all these years, drawing huge amounts of interest? And I dont know a lot about it, but it would seem odd to me that we would be allowed to draw out of an account with our social security number, more than we have in there. Maybe it is so, I dont know, but it doesnt seem possible. I know for years when I would get my social security statement, it would have a paragraph or two on there talking about how there is plenty in the social security program and its is just rumors of a shortage, but the last few years that hasnt been on there.

          • Smilee

            Mark

            There would have been a surplus had not it been used under the guise of loans to pay for other things other than SS Benefits. They kicked the can down the road, Bush even borrowed so that the rich could have a tax break and pay for his war, some borrowed elsewhere some from SS and Medicare. SS is a defined benefit pension plan and like all defined benefit plans it leaves no estate when you die, if you still have a balance, you forfeit it and if you drew out more than you paid in your estate does not have pay it back. Mark if you died today all your SS taxes and Medicare taxes would be forfeited by your estate. This is how the safety net works, you cannot lose your pension as you could in the Bush private plans. It was really designed to ruin SS as conservatives do not want any SS, most people want SS as is so he was not able to get far with it. Oh, you are right you do not seem to know much about it.

        • Billy Wells

          While the baby boomers were paying in there was a surplus. Even as recent as the Clinton years I think we’ve had surplus and it was always a struggle to keep it. Some in Congress wanted to borrow from it. Luckily, back then Republicans were still respectable people and kept that from happening.
          The thing is Social Security is given out to people that have never paid in. This is one thing I don’t agree with. Special needs people get SSI money to help them out. There are other people too that never paid in and get money from it. Plus the fact that as people live longer they just get paid more than they put in. See the government is not heartless like banks and isurance companies are.
          Did you know you can receive a tax refund and not even pay taxes? The last rebate checks that Bush sent out I read something like couples would receive $1200, singles $600 and people that din’t pay taxes $300.
          If you want to get up in arms about something it should be about taxes in general. Why can’t we have a 10% income tax across the board? No deductions at all. Nothing for kids, nothing for a house, none at all. You make $1000 you pay $100 in taxes. You $100,000 you pay $10,000. Simple and easy.

          • Smilee

            SS and SSI are two different programs both administered by the Social Security Administration, Regular SS and Disability reacquires you to have 40 quarters paid in before anyone can get this benefit. Currently in SS you have be 66 years old to get the maximum and the same maximum is paid to those disabled at any age provded they have paid in for ten years or 40 quarters. Both are eligable for Medicare, retirement at 65 and disability two years after date of disability. SSI is for those who do not have 40 quarters in and may or may not ever paid in and the benefit is the same for all and is in most cases a lot less less tha SS , there is also an asset limitation in other words you have to be poor as well. You do not qualify for medicare but are qualified for medicaid which place a lien on your assets or estate and get part or all back at some point if not before then when you die. Most is never recovered.

      • Smilee

        Mark

        Have not you seen what happened to the people who have 409′s in this recession, they are in the toilet and many who had retired are looking for work because of it, others are deferring their retirements because of it. Bush’s idea of private SS accounts was nothing more than 409′s with a different name. Under these plans the individual shoulders all the risk, in defined plans and SS it is collectively shared and thus the more safe plan. I do not know of anyone except you that did not wake up to this fact when the economy crashed. I have a defined benefit plan + SS and this is not a concern for me. In my other investments I lost over thirty thousand at least on paper in the last year. What Mark, would you do with those retired who can no longer work if their private plans went bust or lost enough to no longer pay enough to support them. Develop more welfare plans?? Is that the conservative answer, kick the can down the road and hope, just more conservative simplistic thinking.

  • gail lightfoot

    All YOU have to do is take back your life, the lives of your family and ignore the govt whenever and wherever you can. Find a local issue, take charge of educating yourself and your neighbors on how to Fight City Hall and put the people back in charge at the local level. If you must, home school the children. Help families with children find ways to leave the school system in such large numbers that the teachers take notice and decide to go to work for the parents instead of the state. Good Luck and Good Wishes!
    gail lightfoot
    CA

  • DaveH

    There have been many comments throughout this site about the Obama administration helping people through socialized medicine, bailouts, etc.. Let’s set the record straight. The Obama administration is not noble, not empathetic, they are just buying votes, plain and simple.

    • Billy Wells

      Which is Typical of any politician. But healthcare is a problem. When I started working my employer paid the full price of my healthcare. Then it went to like $10 a week. Now it’s up to $30 a week. Next year it will be $32. every year it goes up and up.
      Why do we saddle employers with paying for our Healthcare? You all talk about creating jobs and capitolism, think how much more money would be out there if employers didn’t have to cover healthcare costs. How much more money would you have?
      It’s interesting that the other side isn’t saying, hey my plan is better, they are saying let’s keep it the way it is so insurance companies can make huge profits while other companies fail under the preasure to provide insurance.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Billy, thats something I never considered, and you have a real valid point. I would believe some would save that money and hire more workers to increase the bottom line. Good point.

      • DaveH

        Billy,
        Government has caused the health care problem. Big Government is the problem, not the solution.

        • Billy Wells

          How did Government cause the healthcare problem? The problem is it’s too expensive for average people.
          You just can’t come up with a good idea.

        • DaveH

          Billy,
          All you have to do is look at alternative publications that actually tell people what is going on. Government is into everything. They suppress information about supplements. They meddle in doctor/patient decisions. They have coerced companies through income taxes to provide health insurance for employees instead of cash money which would allow employees to make their own choices. They aid and abet doctor groups to limit the number of medical students. They force doctors through licensing requirements to get education way beyond what they actually need to be family physicians (all they need to do is get enough education to do some simple testing and refer patients to the specialists who would be more highly trained in their field).
          I’m not going to do all your work for you Billy. You need to put forth some effort and educate yourself.
          For instance, look at footage from some of the town hall meetings. The voters repeatedly ask the legislators if they are going to put themselves on the new health care system. Have you heard any of them say yes? They regularly exempt themselves from the crap that they force on us. Prior to 1984 (when the Republicans forced the Congress and other government employees to be on the Social Security system) they had exempted themselves from the Social Security system that the rest of us were forced to pay into.

        • Billy Wells

          If you are going to accuse someone of something you have to provide proof of it. I don’t believe you so why should I do the research that you have already done. If you have the research and have it, then throw it in my face and tell me to shut up. But untill you can prove your point with facts (from a a web site)
          I’m not going to waste my time.

        • DaveH

          Billy,
          I’ll tell you why you should do the research. You are the one of many who are trying to take away our freedom. You are the ones who should do the research before you support freedom-suppressing leaders.
          And good, don’t waste your time researching, I wouldn’t expect a liberal to make any effort to get educated, and I am wasting my time responding to one who has no intention of learning.

        • Billy Wells

          Dave H

          I’m not trying to take away your freedom. I’m trying to give you but yet another choice. Let’s assume that you have a job and part of your bennefit package is health Insurance. I myself actually have a good plan, (for this year). With so many people losing their jobs every month, what happens to their health insurance? Most of them will lose it. If I got laid off today tomorrow I would no longer have health coverage. Oh they will cobra serve me and I can purchase the insurance. That actually happened to me once. The cost of the insurance was $400 a month. Now when you get laid off and go on unemployment you don’t get your full wages. You get about 1/3 and they take taxes out of that.
          Now wouldn’t it be nice if you lost your job there was a government program that would let you keep your insurance or cover you? That is not taking away your freedom. That’s looking out for you.

          As for your comment about doing the research, it’s clear you have nothing to back at your claims. I gave you the opportunity to actualy throw it in my face and tell me to shut up. You have a great opportunity there, I’m leaving myself wide open, but you must not have the material to do it. All I want is something that you copy and paste from a web site. Or a link to the web site. You must have done it. You said you did the research, but yet you can’t produce it. Are you getting mad yet? That’s what happens when someone gets backed into a corner. If you prove it to me I will promise to go away and let you people feed off each other paronoid fears.

          • American Citizen

            When someone is laid off and draws unemployment, the money comes from a fund that you paid into with a tax as well as did your employer. That is another business expense.

        • Less Nessly

          So Dave, you’re saying our doctors have to much education? You got to be out of your mind! I would rather have an over educated doctor than one that just thinks he / she knows what is wrong. Besides a specialist cost even more than a family doctor. Sounds like you’re the one driving up the cost of heath care.

        • DaveH

          Billy,
          I am one of those people who choose not to have health insurance. It is definitely more expensive to have someone else involved in your health care decisions. Who do you think pays the salaries for the insurance company. It is you (the policy holder) or your company. In the case of government run insurance it would be the taxpayer. That is money that could be spent more wisely by the health care recipient. I know that most people fear the unknown too much to not have at least major medical to pay for the catastrophic events. They have the right to purchase that insurance. They do not have a right to force me to purchase their insurance.
          And Billy, ignorant people don’t make me mad. I just feel sorry for them.

        • DaveH

          Leslie,
          Call me all the names you want, it doesn’t work on me. You can put your liberal book of strategy down.
          In my world, you would be free to go to the higher educated and more expensive doctor. And those who choose to save money could go to the less expensive doctor. The specialist would only cost as much as specialists do already. Oh, yeah, I’m the one driving up health costs. Fallacious arguments will get you nowhere with me.
          This country became the wealthiest nation on earth, because our wise forefathers set up a country where the size of government was limited by the Constitution, and where markets were free. We no longer have that. And our economy is suffering as a result (inevitably). People in power will always work to get more power. Only the citizens can stop that. But first they need to get educated. And I can’t educate you and Billy, you will have to do that for yourselves.

        • Billy Wells

          DaveH,

          And still no proof or anything of what I asked you for. Just rants of stupid rage.
          You are right, we can not force you to have health insurance. You’re right the policy holder pays the salaries of the insurnace people. And if the government runs it it would be the tax payer and the policy holder, (hopefully) The policy holder should pay at least a portion of it.
          But if you are calling me ignorant, which I think you are, I must say that you are the ignorant one. No insurance huh? What if you fall down the steps? What if you get cancer? What if your appendix bursts? You will end up in the hosp. And you know what, unless you are extremely wealthy, (which I doubt you are because you are not intelligent enough) you will not be able to pay your bill. That means that the hosp will have to recover that cost from the people can actually pay because they have insurance. So there for it is YOU and people like you that are driving up the cost of health care for hard working people like me and allllllll the others posting blogs on this site! Do you have life insurance? Who is going to pay for you when you die? Someone has to pay. Even if it turns out to be the government which is tax dollars that i paid. I don’t want to pay for you because you are just too dumb to understand why insurance is needed. Do you have car insuance? or do you think that is a waste to.
          And why won’t you share your alternitive news web site with me? Why are you hiding it? If you’re so proud of the information you get from it why not share it? Is it NewsMax? Freedomworks, PrisonPlanet? You are just making your point that you don’t do research and only listen to wackos on the radio or TV or whereever and really have no proof of any of the things you ramble on about. Look at Foolpatrol and all the great info he posted with web sites to back it up.
          You are one sorry closed minded person, but hey, you’re allowd to be. This is America! and people are free to be closed minded if they want to be. That’s one thing no one will ever take away from you.

          • American Citizen

            I don’t see you Democrats and Liberals providing proof of what you believe, read or hear.

        • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

          DaveH
          I been reading these posts between you and billy wells. I would also like to see the info. why don’t you tell him to shut up like he told you to?
          Are you scared?

        • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

          DaveH,
          you really don’t have insurance? Do you have a job? what if you get sick? How will you pay?
          That’s crazy dumb. Do you know what it cost to spend a night in the horsepistol? My god! I hope you never need it because I don’t want my tax dollars going to pay for your dumb butt.

        • DaveH

          Billy,
          Don’t waste your Liberal name-calling on me. It would be useless for me to waste my time educating you. I would be better off talking to a wall.

        • DaveH

          Stassi,
          I’m a dumb butt? It’s the government that has caused these high prices. Health care was very affordable 35 years ago when I was young before government got so heavily involved. Save your Liberal name-calling. I have 7 years of college education, and 35 years of home study. I learn from my environment. And I don’t turn a blind eye to the truth just because I think something will benefit me.

        • DaveH

          And by the way, for any non-liberals reading these posts, Stassi has proved my point in previous posts – “I don’t want my tax dollars going to pay for your dumb butt”. This demonstrates what I have been warning people about. First the government takes over health care, then they start telling you how to eat, how to play, how to think (if they could), because when you get ill you are a liability to people like Stassi, or Billy.

        • DaveH

          For anyone that really wants to understand the health bill:
          http://keithhennessey.com/2009/08/12/portsmouth-01/
          (that excludes Billy and Stassi)
          By the way does anyone know what a horsepistol is? lol. That word came from someone that calls me a dumb ass.

        • Tammy Jones

          DaveH
          Are you afraid of your own shadow too?

          Horsepistol is a slang word for Hospital. Commonly used in PA dutch area.

          With your 7 years of college education you didn’t learn much about econmics did you? I mean 35 years ago everything was leass expensive. And if you go back to civil war days is was even less expensive. But then we didn’t have the technology we have now. That is part of the reason why healthcare has become so expensive. Now they can do organ transplants and they can do CAT scans and all kinds of cool stuff. Sounds to me like you were born about 500 years too late.
          Another reason is the doctors have to pay so much in insurance for malpractice. You certainly seem like the type that would be eager to file a lawsuit if the doctor just looked at you funny. Maybe that’s how you got your money, I don’t know.
          But the question remains, what will you do if you get sick? The rest of us that have insurance will cover your bill if you can’t pay. You are part of the problem you are preaching about.
          How is the government ever going to inforce what food you eat? or how you play? They can’t even enforce the speed limits on the highways or keep illiegals from coming into the country.
          Medicare is run by the government. Has always been for 40 some years. They have yet to tell anyone how to eat or how to play.
          And just for the record, If I pay $30 a week in taxes for healthcare, that would be better than paying $150 a week to a insurance company and knowing that some rich self centered uncareing CEO in a corner office with a college education is getting richer and richer only by providing poor service.
          You say you learn from you enviroment. And just where is that? Ever travel into the inner city?

        • Tammy Jones

          DaveH,
          You web site is nothing more than a blog and even more a blog from a former Bush Employee. This holds up about as much as Rush Limbaugh or Dick Morris. He just telling you what you want to hear because you already agree with his postion, which is Republican based.
          Here I thought you might actually have real proof, from like factcheck.org or someone independant. But once again you prove to just be reciting the same old bable the same as you acuse other as doing here.
          Please don’t hurt yourself or get sick today.
          I can’t afford my insurance rates to go up.

        • DaveH

          Tammy,
          Thank you for demonstrating some of my points. Sorry, you know little about economics. Yes, there has been inflation in the money supply but not anywhere near big enough to explain the dramatic increase in medical prices since I was a kid. And yes, there have been improvements in health care since then. But we got along quite fine in those days, and thank you for admitting that our health care system is pretty damn good. Also, thank you for admitting that the government is inept at its current duties. And you want them to take on the additional duty of managing our health care system?
          Those rich CEOs are providing many people with jobs, real jobs, not taxpayer-funded make-work jobs like the government creates. How come you envy them but don’t envy people like Obama who is jetting around the world and partying on the taxpayers’ money?
          And yes, I have been to the inner city, but I avoid cities (inner and outer) with a passion, as they generally contain too many envious people who can rationalize any action as long as it results in goodies for them.

          • Tanya Peterson

            So you think you are better than some one who lives in the inner city?

            You want to shelter yourself from the real world and real problems and pretend they don’t exist don’t you. Out of sight out of mind. There is no problem because I can’t see it from the safety of my suburban home?

        • DaveH

          And Tammy,
          I actually have hope for you. So, here is one of many sites that explain the current health care bill:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/14/health-care-bill-released_n_232206.html

          (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/14/health-care-bill-released_n_232206.html)
          This site has trouble processing links with underscores, so you will need to cut and paste from inside of the parentheses if the first effort doesn’t come out as a link.

          Oh, I’m sure you’ll find some way to disparage this site. If that is the case then search for yourself and find a site that lists the bill in it’s entirety, no summaries, the whole 1000+ pages, so you can read and judge it for what it really is.

      • American Citizen

        When you are old enough for Medicare, and take the Part B, you pay a premium which goes up every year, just as your private insurance does. That’s why Obama’s healthcare plan won’t work. The cost will go up every year as more people get into it. The population of this country does not go down, it goes up every year. Common sense tells us, if we think about it hard enough, our country is too big for that program. It would have to cover over 300 million people as, Obama himself has said, within 10 to 15 years, everyone would be forced onto the government program.

        • Smilee

          American Citizen says:
          August 12, 2009 at 5:35 pm

          American Citizen

          I am old enough for and am on Medicare ant take part B, Part B premiums did not go up in 2009 and are the same as 2008. Actually I remember when private sector insurance did not go up every year but never went longer than two years. However, Medicare never went up much in a given year, I have seen a 46% increase in one year increasing it on a family private plan about $435.00 a month in that case. When I retired before 65 I was on COBRA or my old employer plan and it cost me 102% of the premium and this was in 04 and today 09 my Medicare B + Medigap plan premiums is half of my premium in 04 for just COBRA. Medical cost to be comparable and to be accurate have to be figured on annual per capita basis and not on total dollars and that will come down with reform and there is not any plan that has been voted on and it will be subject to many amendments before becoming law, this statement of yours that this country is too big to handle health care in baloney, It can be done, what concerns most people is how to do it and reduce costs and cover everyone. Obama has never said you will be forced by government on to a government plan if you do not want to. Even the concern that most conservatives have is not that but employers will not provide you the insurance you have now and the insurance companies will not offer affordable premiums that exceed the government plan and thus the government plan will then become the plan of choice for the individual. For you to say that government is forcing you onto a government plan is just totally not accurate. If you feel forced onto a government plan it would most likely be because of acts taken by your employer or the private health care insurance companies but the final choice would be yours.

          • American Citizen

            Don’t you listen to what Obama says? He said within 10 or 15 years everyone will be on the government plan. He said as far back as 2003 he favors a single payer plan. Eventually, the insurance companies will be forced out of business as companies drop them and citizens opt to take the government plan as there will not be any other to go to. Unintended consequences are the killers here. Read the bill if you can understand it. Why they need over a thousand pages is beyond me. There is not that much in the system that needs to be fixed. It’s simply a ploy for the government to take it over completely.

          • Tanya Peterson

            American Citizen,

            From reading your posts I assume you are on Medicare. Medicare is government run and you don’t seem to be afraid of it. So why are you so scared of reform for the rest of us? Why do you want me and my employer to pay thousands of dollars to a big insurance company and some fact cat corner office guys is making millions of dollars for denying my claims? The insurance compamies are making more money than oil companies.

      • Smilee

        Many liberals are in favor of not providing health care through employment and rather favor a single payer system paid for though some other means. Most countries do not pay for health care through employers and employees. They believe this is unfair competition in a global economy. This is the reason that Walmart and the SEIU Unions have been working together on health care reform. You have to admit this is very very strange bedfellows.

        • American Citizen

          There have been doctors from England and Canada, as well as ordinary citizens from those countries, who have talked about the horrors of their health care systems. They simply don’t work. The only people who like them are those who are not sick.

          • Smilee

            American Citizen says:
            August 22, 2009 at 6:00 pm

            Fairly recently, this summer, a poll done in Canada and reported in the Canadian newspapers where those polled where asked which health care system would they want if they had the choice of keeping the one they have now or change to the systems we have in the US and a whopping 91% said they would want to keep what they have. You can always find a few horror stories in any country and they are in abundance here as well and most are worse here than in most countries. They do work and and work better than ours in many cases. What you do not hear on this site is that many of our citizens go to Canada for medical care and treatment because they can buy it much much cheaperthere. Just this week there was an article in the paper about a woman without insurance in International Falls MN who went to Canada to have her baby by C-section because it was $10,000.00 cheaper than in International Falls. I know of many other cases as well especially in states bordering with Canada, there have been newspaper stories and some on the local news programs about people doing this and procedures there cost about half of what they can be gotten for in the US, and when asked about the care there all said it was very good. We know you are not in favor of health care reform and the the status quo is your preference but then it has to be said you are in favor of these high prices, always amazes me how conservatives are dead set against paying higher taxes but so willing to pay oodles of more dollars than necessary for health care. You do not know what you are talking about in your statements about Canada

          • Tanya Peterson

            You seem to be an intelligent and thoughtful person. May I make a suggestion? Turn off Fox News and Rush Limbaugh for just one week. Turn on MSNBC and get the other side of the story. Like Keith Olberman, Ed Shultz and Rachel Madow. Just for one week. It’s important to have both sides of a story because it’s easy to get brainwashed. Look how Hitler made people hate Jews and Bush made people hate Muslims. MSNBC is liberal without a doubt. But that’s why I ask you to watch for just one week. I often flip back and forth because one thing MSNBC says is good Fox News turns completly around to make into a bad thing. It’s all quite interesting.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Buying votes, and giving enough handouts to not only buy the votes, but to keep these people down and dependant on the government, so that they will always vote for them because of their dependancy on them. So many dont see that, and I just dont know why.

      • DaveH

        Mark,
        They are blinded by envy and greed.

      • Smilee

        MARK

        People come to government when everyone else fails them, this was true for SS, Medicare and now we can no longer furnish our other medical care without government, that is the reason this is going on and not your silly assessment that government is this big monster waiting to devour you, People are genuinely hurting out there due to the way health care delivery has been handled in our country by the private sector, People want relief and there is no other place this can be accomplished except through government as the private sector will not give up their hold on our pocketbooks and they have developed an easy way to make money without actually earning it at everyone’s expense. The way it is today and does not work and conservatives are so simple minded as to think it does, conservatives oppose it and are so filled with greed they make life unbearable for all.

    • Foolpatrol

      8 common myths about health insurance reform

      Reform will stop “rationing” – not increase it: It’s a myth that reform will mean a “government takeover” of health care or lead to “rationing.” To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.

      We can’t afford reform: It’s the status quo we can’t afford.

      It’s a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.

      Reform would encourage “euthanasia”: It does not. It’s a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.

      Vets’ health care is safe and sound: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans’ access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President’s budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.

      Reform will benefit small business – not burden it: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.

      Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It’s myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare “doughnut” hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.

      You can keep your own insurance: It’s myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.

      No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts. Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you – and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make.

      Learn more and get details:
      http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck
      http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck/faq

  • DaveH

    This is too funny. And you liberals want the government to run our health care? Unbelievable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvzNj0Vobss

  • mike

    i have a response to education , people think they can just educate there children at home . you for got about being with other people. usually at home everything is one sided. the teachers that work hard to get degrees that teach correctly are worth there weight in gold. yes the goverment is messing up. da, there messing everything up just don’t complain on websites use your voice where it counts . the Pta which i’m part of has a very strong voice join and become active. The problem with the american people is they vote for the rich people who think they have the answers. they won’t back someone that has common sense or doesn’t have the funds to do anything. they think this person has to have a degree to know something. having a degree doesn’t make you smart, being a lawyer doesn’t make you a law abiding citizen. Having money for alot of people makes them greety! Being a elected official in some parts makes some people idiots. thinking there invincible. People are forgetting about in GOD we trust and trusting in man. there letting the goverment dictate there lives , take there money and giving it away and not helping the country. You see them helping the rich , the auto industry , the banking industry, the goverment. Now they want socialized medicine and take away are rights. Let more people in illegally and take care of them. If you don’t want to be a citizen go back where you came from. don’t try to convert us this america and we need to stand together. If people will remember all that died to make this country free and let the people know that its time to take back are country not just sit and complain. people that come to this country don’t know how it came to be this way our goverment doesn’t care give are socil security to none residents. health care to nonr residents . there sending all ther money to different countries not here in the usa. If you have never stood up for your country in time is now being a ex military we have pride in our country as well as the people who are serving now. WE THE PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      I believe the real problem with schools not “being all they can be”, is a result of whomever is in charge, thinking the solution is just spending more money on schools. Like here, one school they decided to build an olympic size pool and put in a new science lab. Ok, fine. So they just spent like 8 million bucks on this. I dont see anyone getting a better education. Half these kids go to school, worry more about getting their butts kicked on the way home if they dont join this gang or that gang, and then when they join the gang, they spend more time worrying about getting this guy or that guy from the other gang, and it is really prevalent here, and I know it is 10 times worse in big cities. Ever since discipline was taken out of the schools, the kids run the teachers, and its not working. Shoot, when I got out of line in school, I got my ass paddled, then they called home and my parents paddled my ass. Now, if you would paddle a kid youd get sued, and if you called home the parents would cuss the school out and tell them they better not touch my kid or we will sue you. Thank the lousy lawyers and judges for this, as they once again played a major part in the breakdown of respect and moral in our society. Without discipline, both our schools, and the family is suffering. When ones male role model is the crack dealer down the street with cars and money, what you gonna do? Nobody tells them that this dude has guys after him day and night, and that his days are numbered. No discipline in schools is the root cause of us falling behind in education, and the solution isnt to keep spending more and more, its to get organized and take control back from the kids, and give it to the adults. Thats it.

      • American Citizen

        A lot of what is wrong with education can be laid at the parents’ doors. Since it’s basically free, they pay no attention to how or what their kids are doing. The schools are not allowed to discipline the little darlings except to suspend them which does the kids no good either. When i went to school, if I got in trouble there, I was also in trouble at home. This free education system allows the parents to have no vested interest in their children’s educations. That’s one reason children in private schools do so much better. Because the cost comes out of the parents’ pockets, they make sure their children do what they’re supposed to do in school, i.e., learn. They don’t want their money wasted. I’m not saying all children do poorly in the public schools as we have some of our grandchildren in them. Our children went to private schools, thus found out the value of those as they had no problems when they went away to college. So they are following in their own footsteps with their children, making sure they learn.

        • Tanya Peterson

          I can’t believe I actually almost agree with you. But I don’t think it’s the public school system that has failed. It’s parents. There are people out there that can’t even control their own kids at home. Ever watch Nanny 911 or whatever it is? All these kids need is a good crack on the butt. When I was a kid if I miss behaved my father would smack my butt. And when my father told you to do something, there was no aurguing. You did it and you learned to respect people. It seems like when people my age became parents all that changed. Yes, I can admit that my generation is at fault for the problems. They want that million dallor home and 80,000 dollars SUV in the driveway. Therfore both parents have to work to survive. Used to be a little 3 bedroom ranch or cape cod style house was good enough. Look at all those that were built in the 50′s. Cars and trucks were no frills and mom usually didn’t work. Awwwwwwwww the good old days.

          • American Citizen

            Whenever I watch Nanny 911, I also think that what those kids need is a smack on their little seats of wisdom. There is never a consequence for their bad behavior except for the parents to say, “don’t do that.” The kids ignore the parents and keep right on doing their bad behavior. A botch on the rear does not hurt them, it gets their attention. I never had to do it more than once. They were so surprised that mom, whom they knew loved them, would do something like that. Of course, for it to work, the child has to know it’s loved to begin with.
            Another program I have a gripe with is Home Makeover, Extreme Edition. They build those huge houses where each kid has his or her own bedroom instead of sharing them. I have never in my life had my own bedroom. I shared with my sister while growing up and after marriage with my husband.
            Some of the people who got one of these houses ended up losing them because they either couldn’t afford the mortgage or the taxes on them. That’s why now you see the program paying off the mortgage. But I can’t imagine paying the property taxes on one of them.

          • Tanya Peterson

            Wow American Citizen and I agree on something. I got my butt smacked when I was a kid. And teachers were allowed to do it in school too. Helped to make the kids respect the teachers.

  • Billy Wells

    ACORN Helps 84-Year-Old Woman Keep Home

    ACORN members protest Goldman Sachs’ failure to sign on to President Obama’s “Making Home Affordable” plan at the company’s Boston headquarters Tuesday, June 30.

    LOS ANGELES—Irene Leary, 84, faced the loss of her home of 34 years to a sale scheduled for Monday, June 29, but mortgage servicer OneWest postponed the sale for 30 days after protests, both in person and online, by ACORN members, allies, and struggling homeowners.

    ACORN members and supporters in Boston, Columbus, Dallas, Houston, Little Rock, Los Angeles, New York City, Miami, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seattle, St. Louis, and Wilmington, protested at the offices of what ACORN is calling the “Home Wrecker 4″: Litton, owned by Goldman Sachs, HomEq, owned by Barclays, American Home Mortgage Servicing, and OneWest. Collectively, these four companies are responsible for the loans of 2 million American families, but they have not signed up for President Obama’s Making Home Affordable plan.

    “Every 13 seconds another American family loses its home in this never-ending crisis,” said Bertha Lewis, ACORN CEO. “President Obama has proposed a real solution to attack the heart of the crisis – unaffordable mortgage payments from predatory loans. Yet the Administration’s program is voluntary and requires mortgage companies to sign up on their own. We are grateful that more than 80 percent of the industry has taken this simple step, but we will not rest until every homeowner is afforded the same basic protection and right to be considered for a loan modification prior to foreclosure.”

    Under the Obama plan, a mortgage company must perform a simple comparison and show that a foreclosure represents the smaller loss to investors compared to a subsidized modification prior to foreclosing upon a family. If a homeowner’s loan is with Citi, Chase, Bank of America, GMAC, Ocwen, and many other companies, they are afforded this protection, but homeowners whose loans ended up with Litton, HomEq, American Home Mortgage, and OneWest do not enjoy that protection.

    “Getting an affordable loan modification shouldn’t be like winning the lottery,” said Lewis. “Loan modifications should be the guaranteed result whenever it’s in the interests of all parties, but we know the industry has been incredibly slow to provide the number of affordable loan modifications needed to meet the challenge posed by the crisis. These last four major mortgage servicers who have still not signed on to the Obama foreclosure prevention plan – the ‘Home Wrecker 4′ – need to get with the program and start modifying loans, today. We have no time to spare in the fight to save American homeownership.”

    Many of the companies in question have benefited from enormous sums in U.S. tax dollars. Goldman Sachs, the parent company of Litton, received $10 billion in TARP and another $12 billion from the government’s bailout of AIG. Barclays, owner of HomEq, is a British bank ineligible for TARP funds but still took more than $8 billion from U.S. taxpayers through the AIG bailout. OneWest, which emerged from the wreckage of IndyMac, would not exist if not for the guarantees and subsidies from the FDIC and ultimately taxpayer backing.

    “Especially given how much support these companies have received from taxpayers, it seems quite reasonable that they should step up and do at least the bare minimum in foreclosure prevention,” said Lewis. “ACORN will continue to hold their feet to the fire and escalate our protests until they put their names on the dotted line and join the Obama program.”

    In addition to protesting in the streets, ACORN has generated 5,000 e-mail messages and 500 phone calls to the CEOs of the four companies and will be petitioning for the companies to join the Obama program on Twitter.

    In an email sent to ACORN supporters Monday and posted on ACORN’s website, Leary related to her son the story of how her home ended up in foreclosure:

    Your father was receiving dialysis three times a week and suffering from chronic, congestive heart failure. He was vulnerable and realized he was on the verge of passing. He was worried that he’d leave me with $30,000 to $40,000 in credit card debt. With those concerns, we sought advice.

    OneWest advised us we would qualify for a loan based on our credit scores and the loan would “solve our problems.” They definitely preyed upon our vulnerability.

    Your father died a month after we received the loan. Our fixed income was $2,388.81 per month. With his passing, the income dropped to $1,600.00 per month. I continued to make payments, but they kept going up and up. They went up so much that even if my husband was still alive, we could not have made them.

    Scary stuff, helping an 84 year old lady to keep her home. Of couse she won’t have to worry anymore once Obama puts her to death for being old, Right?

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Just wondering that if any of these people told ACORN they vote republican, if they would still fight for them? Just wondering.

      • Billy Wells

        Why don’t you ask them and find out.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          No need to ask Billy, they wouldnt. I guess you didnt detect the sarcasm. My bad.

        • Billy Wells

          If you don’t ask you’ll never know.

          That’s your problem. You just jump to conclusions and assume. Ass U Me

          • Smilee

            I told Mark once too a while back on another topic but I guess he did not believe me either, his mind set seems to be stuck in the mud

    • American Citizen

      What I don’t understand is, didn’t the government give the banks billions of dollars to keep them from failing? Why didn’t the government tell the banks they had to work with anyone in danger of foreclosure and either use part of that money to pay the rest of the mortgage or lower the peoples’ mortgage payments to a level they could afford?
      ACORN should have helped that lady as it is responsible for a lot of people’s mortgage problems. Forcing banks to give home owner loans to people without the income necessary to pay the mortgage payments was unconsionable.

      • DaveH

        I had a close friend who bought a home during the housing boom. I tried to talk her our of it, but she wanted a house, and a friend of her mother’s (in the loan industry), told her it was a good time to buy. It fell on deaf ears when I told her, that of course the loan officer was optimistic, she was in the industry. Anyway, my friend bought the house with a no-down, interest-only loan. The payments were big, even with interest-only, but my friend made the payments for two years. Then came the bust. Of course she walked away from the loan. Why not? She had no skin in the game.
        For anybody who doesn’t understand how this could happen, read Thomas Sowell’s book “Housing Boom and Bust”. And Billy, spare me your uneducated crap.

  • WC

    Will the sheriffs protect us from the bureaucrats in charge of healthcare and the swine flu vaccinations?

  • LarryA

    A vast amount of true history has passed. A virtual river of blood has been shed (at home and abroad). Countless personal and group sacrifices of every description ( in fact, entire lives and all that they stood for) have been freely given. An undeterminable amount of sweat and hard, grinding work – INCREDIBLE EFFORTS by nameless, God fearing, patriotic citizens who love this great country – ALL of that and more has gone into the creation of, and the faithful “watch” over, foundational documents (our Constitution tops that list)! That continues – regardless of opposition by spiteful, self-centered, greed-driven, evil natured, power-hungry, murderous, Godless, air-headed fools who think this world belongs to them! I have news for you…! Almighty God will have the Last Word. As for MY America… LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT! (An opinion I’m sure that is shared by millions who love this “Land of the Free, and the Home of the Brave”)!!!!!!

  • LarryA

    Add-on… Our country is being destroyed… from the inside – out by the raft of fools mentioned above. I can’t understand why so many Americans are so ignorant of the facts displayed all about us in current events unfolding before our very eyes. Many are calling our beloved country, “Nazi America” (and justly so – if their focus is only on the crowd that is really to blame). AMERICA, PLEASE WAKE UP!!!!

    • Oscar Goldman

      What is destroying this country? What policies? Do tell. You cite America is being destroyed but how? Because of healthcare? How is creating compition going to destroy America?

      • American Citizen

        Eventually, there won’t be any competition. Insurance companies will fold, then what? Everybody won’t have a choice but to go on the “dole”, the government program. Who’s going to pay for it? You are.

        • Billy Wells

          If the insurance companies step up and provide better service at resonable rates they won’t fold. If they continue to rip off people they will.
          But if all of you that are against the Government healthcare plan continue to keep your insurance they will be okay. So if you like keeping the fat cats fat keep paying your insuance premiums.

        • Smilee

          Our health care will then improve like it has in those countries that got rid of health insurance companies

          • Tanya Peterson

            I hate sounding like I’m repeating what the President says, but it is like the postal service. The post office run by the federal government. And for simple letters it’s a good deal, and all in all is quite good. I mean for 44 cents they will pick it up at your house and deliver it anywhere in country. Almost always my mail comes through too. But UPS and Fed Ex also have a profitable buisness of shipping packages. So they do compete with the government. The whole insurance deal can work the same way. Government can provide low cost basic services. For those that want more and better coverage you go to an insurance provider.
            We have 535 people in Congress. If they would only talk about things they could come up with a good plan. But when you have one said that says up front they are going to say no to anything that is proposed then it makes it hard. Thing is Obama wants and has asked for Republican ideas. But that party in general seems to be so out of it, or so bribed that their only solutions is to say NO. That’s very sad.

  • American Citizen

    I just heard today from Rush that the pharmaceutical companies are bribing Obama with money for him to tout his healthcare program. In return for 150 to 180 million dollars, Obama will allow them to bill Medicare for the true cost of drugs. Has anybody else heard this anywhere else?

    • Billy Wells

      Rush lies!
      It’s all about ratings for him because he gets people like you to listen and believe his lies.
      Tell him to back it with proof.

      • holidayzbeauty

        please cite….

        • American Citizen

          Rush was ahead of the other media on this. I also heard and read it later on Fox and our daily newspaper.

          • Tanya Peterson

            But Congress is writing the plan, not Obama. They are just telling you what you want to hear so you keep watching! Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    • Tanya Peterson

      Health care reform was an issue in the election between George HW Bush, Bill Clinton, and Ross Perot. That was what like 1992? So it has been an issue for a long time. Clinton tried to reform it and failed. His bill probably sucked. The Republicans ignored it when GW got elected. They are bribed by insurance companies to ignor it. Obama campaigned that he wanted to Reform Health Care. If he were to ignor it now Republicans would be jumping up and down crying about how he campaigned on an issue and didn’t do anything about. If it doesn’t get passed they will say he promised us reform and didn’t deliver.
      I’ve learned over the years that Republicans don’t campaign on issues and trying to make things better, they campaign on making the other guy look much much worse than they are.

  • Free American

    Oscar-Norm, you appear to be paid by the DNC to continue to promote their babel. Most Americans see through the lies and proganda put out by the AP and the president’s thugs. We as true Americans are fedup with all of the corruption and government takeover of everything in sight. This new Healthcare plan is the biggest envasion of privacy put out by the thugs in Washington. You should know by now that this government cannot run anything effiently. Corruption is always rampant and services will be cut to the honest taxpaying citizens.

    In NM anyone can get free medical treatment just be going to the local University hospital. I already pay taxes so the poor and illegals can all get free healthcare. The government needs to get their hands out of our pockets. We have the best care on earth. If our congressman are exempt from the new healthcare, then it is not good enough for any of us.

    • American Citizen

      My husband was the Maintenance Supervisor for our local hospital for 35 years. He said if a hospital accepts Hill-Burton funds, that hospital has to give free medical care to anyone who can’t pay if they come in through the Emergency Room. I would imagine most hospitals that build a new building accepts Hill-Burton funds. That’s how our hospital got involved with them back in 1971. At that time, our hospital had to give $50,000 in free care. I imagine it’s a lot more now.

      • Billy Wells

        So you just made the point why we need a government option. If people had the choice of a government option the government would pay the Hosp. and they wouldn’t be out that money. Actually the Hosp. doesn’t allow it’s self to be out money, it just gets added to the bills of those that can pay.
        And if the Hosp. turns people away because they don’t have insurance and can’t pay, isn’t that the same as Sarah Palin’s Death Panel? Only those that have get to live, the have nots die.
        OMG it all makes sense, ethnic clensing. That’s what you’re all about! You all are opposed to public heath care because you want poor people to die! Sure would solve a lot of your problems, huh?
        I figured it out. Get rid of the burdon of the poor let them suffer and die! No insurance and no health care if you’re poor. And you all call yourselves Christian. What a joke!

    • Billy Wells

      You pay taxes for lots of reasons. Some of your money goes to pay for healthcare for the poor. But you also pay higher insurance premiums because the hosp and doctors have to make up for the money they don’t get from those that can’t pay. Some one has to pay for it. When was the last time you heard of a hosp. going bankrupt? If they ate the cost of free care for everyone that couldn’t pay they would go out of business. Instead they pass it along to those of us that can pay. Why do you think an aspirn cost like $15 in the hosp? They are trying to recover lost income from YOU! they person that can pay. But you don’t care because most likely your insurance will cover it. But how much is your insurance premium each year? Wouldn’t be nice if that was lower?
      You talk about repeating the same old bable of the press, but you repeat the same old lies of people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck. Yes I know what they are saying because I like to get both sides and turn them on to watch them.
      One thing is for sure, the liberal media never joked about killing the speaking of the house like Glenn Beck did. This guy is off his rocker. He joked about putting poison in Nancy Polosi’s wine. Now come on, who does that on national TV. And the lune still has a job!

      • American Citizen

        Hey, I remember a few years ago there was a joke about killing President Bush. Where was your outrage then?

        • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

          What was the joke?
          Was it said on a national TV Show?
          Maybe there was outrage and you just don’t remember it.

          Killing someone should never be joked about no matter who it is.

        • Tanya Peterson

          I guess you were being a typical republican and lying about the joke. No reply to Stassi to back it up. How typical.

          • DaveH

            Tanya,
            Back up your statement that the typical Republican is a liar.

          • Tanya Peterson

            DaveH,
            “The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.” – Sarah Palin

            There is NO death panel. This was proven to be a lie even before Sarah wrote this. Your elderly parents will not be put to death by the government.

            Sarah Palin is the typical Republican in my opinion.
            However there are good Republicans, look at Tom Ridge. Now there is a stand up respectful man.

          • Tanya Peterson

            Still no Joke though.

          • American Citizen

            I don’t sit here in front of my computer 24 hours a day. I only saw his reply today. As it was some time ago now, at least a couple of years, I only know I heard it on the radio and TV at the time. I believe I also read it in the newspaper. If I remember correctly, it started with somebody in Canada saying it and was picked up by our media. Comedians joked about it.

  • American Citizen

    Norm, as I said, my daughter works in the administrative part as well as does nursing. She said the regulations they have to abide by and the paperwork they have to do is awful. Everything the government gets involved in it makes it worse. To solve one problem, it creates two more. I also worked in a government program in the school system and we had to keep paper work on every student that no one looked at. We were supposed to do a canned program for each student that didn’t work. I did an EIP on each student I worked with even though no one ever taught me how to do so. I figured it out myself and did just the minimal paper work on each student. My students were able to work their way out of the program and the teachers really like how I worked with them. The Federal Government is too far away to do the job.

  • American Citizen

    David, you don’t put 307 million people on an insurance plan and not expect the costs to go up. The population will keep on increasing and costs would keep rising. Obama even said he would have to raise taxes to help pay for it. Although he said it would only be on the “rich”, but common sense said that wouldn’t be enough as there are not enough “rich” in this country even if you took every cent they have to pay for a trillion plus program. There was a man on one of the Town Hall meetings who had been in local government. He said the programs start out fine, but as time goes on, they get out of control. Obama’s healthcare plan is not just an insurance plan, it’s a takeover of the healthcare industry. Read the bill if you can understand the lawyerese. Rush Limbaugh on his site has a professor from Duke University who tells just what this bill would do to us. We don’t want it.

    • Billy Wells

      OMG! you’re getting your information from Rush Limbaugh? He lies, he HATES Democrats, I mean actually HATES and makes things up just to push his political views.
      The problem here is there are 5 versions of the bill. The one that is most known is 1085 pages long and reads like Chinese Stereo Instructions. A government run health care program is not scary. We’ve Medicare for over 40 years and you all seem happy with that. See, the government can get things right too. What is scary is that you have heartless Insurance companies out there that raise premiums every year. My parents have a Aetna Insurance. Mt father has Parkinson’s. He goes to a specialist in a big city to get treatment. The Specialist Doctor does NOT accept Aetna insurance. Therefore my parents are left with big bills. Medicare picks up some but not all.
      If we had a government option my parents would be covered. They could tell Aetna to go blow and they would have more money to spend on fun things.
      Last year we had gas prices of over $4 a gallon. Everyone was outraged at the Billions on dollars the oil companies were making in profits. But no one is telling you about the billions of dollars insurance companies are making in profits NOW. If the whole truth was out there you would be more outraged at insurance companies than the government. Have you ever been denied an insurance claim? One time I went to pick up a prescrition medication and was told the insurance company, (Blue Cross/ Blue Sheild) would not cover it because it was not on their approved list. I needed it so I had to pay the $384 for it out of my pocket! What the heck do I pay insurance for!
      You all cry that your freedoms are being taken away. That’s a joke, the insurance companies, banks and oil companies have been doing that for years and years. It’s time America fights back against these greedy heartless companies and puts them in their place. They have us over a barrel and our government is the only one that can change it.

      • American Citizen

        I don’t listen to Rush regularly, I only caught a small part of his program while driving home from the grocery store. But whenever I hear Rush say something, it turns out to be true. I also heard this mentioned on another TV program last evening. Don’t be so fast to disbelieve everything Rush says. He has ways of getting his facts that I don’t have access to nor most likely do you.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_t1A8LGzg Skippy Carr

          You’d be better off if you didn’t listen to him at all. And while you’re at it turn off Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity too.

      • American Citizen

        For crying out loud, I said it’s a professor from Duke who has read the bill and lays it out just what it would mean. What I have deduced from what I have read myself is that the government would have total control our your healthcare no matter what you do.

      • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

        Well at least she told us where she is getting her info. Not like that Dave guy. What a lune.

      • holidayzbeauty

        Seriously?!!

    • Smilee

      Rush only hires liars that agree with his tall tales. Only suckers fall for this BS

      • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

        Sad thing is that people listen to Rush, and Sean, and Dick Morris and believe every word they say. Did you know that one time Rush blamed healthy people for the heath care crisis? Yup, because they go to the gym, and are active in sports and things they are getting hurt and that is what is causing the problem and driving up the cost. And people sit and believe this man! LOL

        • American Citizen

          He was not serious. You don’t know when someone is joking, apparently.

          • Tanya Peterson

            Yes he was. I saw the video clip of him saying it on TV.

    • Smilee

      American Citizen

      The cost per capita will decrease, the total cost will go up initially as transition will have a cost and then in the out years (second decade) overall costs will come down. Many other countries have proven this albeit they do not place the importance of anyone making large profits on health care as we do, it has become the top priority in this country in the private sector plans and it is estimated about 20 thousand people die prematurely each year due to no coverage, denials and delays . You see we already have rationed care, except in our Medicare program until in O3 when Bush and company instituted the private plans as an option in lieu of regular Medicare and in these plans increased the cost to the taxpayer by 13% and diminished the choices and coverages with less legal protections to the patient, Obamas wants to pay these plans the same as regular Medicare plans and thus almost 2/3 the cost of this transition will be paid for by these savings. So much misinformation out there and many people who do not understand it spreading it around and not realizing the damage they are advocating on the American economy.

      • American Citizen

        Apparently some of you have not been listening to people who are in government either in England or Canada. And you won’t hear them if you don’t watch Fox News. They have all said the national health care programs start out fine, but increasingly become more expensive until they collapse of their own weight (or expense). They warn us that what we hear about rationed care, etc., are all correct.

        Those who will not learn from history are bound to repeat it.

        • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

          We actually have rationed care now. The insurance companies ration it. You go to the doctor, the doctor gives you presritption, you go to get it filled, you find out it’s not covered by your plan.
          The insurance companies ration your care now. Lose your job lose your insurance. Oh that works well. Change jobs? Remeber the knee surgery you had last year when you were at your old job? Guess what it needs to be redone but your new insurance won’t over it. So either pay it yourself, or save up for a wheel cahir.
          Let’s not forget, you already reached your maximum pay out limit.
          Or, you were out of network because you were away on vacation when you had your stroke, sorry that’s not covered.
          Great system we have now, huh?

          • American Citizen

            That’s what needs fixing, not government takeover. If you read the plan, the government will have access to all your bank accounts and financial info to make sure you qualify and to make sure you pay your premiums. In other words, the government will be spying on you. His plan will not be free as too many people believe. Higher taxes, premiums and co-pays to pay for the program may make it more expensive for the poor than Medicaid. And as for Medicare, if we go to a single payer plan, it will be no more. People who have their own insurance will stop paying for it and go on the dole (government plan). It happened in Hawaii and other states. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

          • Tanya Peterson

            Hasn’t the Government been spying on us for quite some time? Like wasn’t there a big debate about Mr. Bush’s wire tap program? They already know everything there is to know about you. Anyone can get that information that has you SS number.

        • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

          Isn’t it strange that Foc News, a Republican Network, is the only only one reporting that? If it were really really bad the other networks would say something about it.

          • Tanya Peterson

            Fox News also said that Clinton bringing the reporters bad from North Korea was one of the worst things that Clinton could have done, and Dick Morris said cash for clunkers is only stimulating Japan’s economy. Fox News is not really news at all. It’s propaganda and brain washing because they hate Democrats and want everyone to hate Democrats. Thing is Republicans had like 6 years of white house and congress control and look what they did with it. Inflated the deficit with a war that wasn’t needed, killed thousands and thousands of people from many different countries, and demonized the Muslims like Hitler did to the Jews in the 30′s and 40′s. And now they call Obama and the Democrats Nazis. Just amazing.

  • Jeffrey Brower

    Come on folks! A teacher teaches what they are told to teach. If they do not, maybe they can find a job somewhere else. And, I am sorry Helen Smith Owen, but Republican politicians do not hold a monopoly on hypocrisy and stupidity. There are a lot of politicians out there and it matters not which party they belong to, they are out to control the masses. The benevolent societal leaders are all dead. We now have to watch every move they make or lose our rights. Look at the tenth amendment and consider the rights of the individual states and how they are under fire from the fed. If it were possible, the fed would eliminate the states all together and end that whole situation. We as Americans (notice I did not say Democrats or Republicans) are under fire like this nation has ever seen. We are fed misinformation and taught that it is as fact. Our children are taught all sorts of lies and personal theology with a little truth and fact well placed to make it sound good. My children know only what I have taught them about the constitution. We are left to teach our families what the place of government is. Maybe we all should read the Preamble before we even get into discussions about the duties of the Federal Government. I cannot find anything in there that talks about providing health insurance, personal welfare payments, social security payments, or any other number of items that we are taxed for (another pet peeve for me for some other time). In short, we are treated like lab rats and force fed poor information at best. Wake up and smell the humus. We are getting steered down a path we are going to be sorry for. We all need to stand up for our Constitution and take it all back while it is still doable without fighting in the streets! We have all been deceived. It is not us as neighbors who are the enemy, it is not the “other party” that is the enemy, It is the lax voting and the persons we put in as congressmen and senators that are the enemy. We really don’t even need to worry that much about our “beloved” president. He is bound to what the two houses say. Even if he uses his power of the veto, they can over ride it! We need to call our reps and senators out. Tell them what we want and make sure they do it or recall them! I don’t know about all of you, but I am sick and tired of all the attack we are getting and having the blame being directed elsewhere. Start voting informed of who you are voting for. Start watching what they are voting for and talk to them about it. If your Representative and Senators do not know you by first name, they are not receiving enough comments from you. Our congress voted us into hard times. They vote on the budget, laws, and referendums. Not the president and not the banks. SO START PAYING ATTENTION AND TELL THEM WE ARE UNHAPPY ABOUT IT!!!

    • American Citizen

      I believe Congress should be in session no more that 2 or 3 weeks a year. Take 2 weeks to set the budget and one week for other things. There are not that many problems every year that need their attention. If a serious problem arises, such as when we were attacked on 9/11. the President can call them back into session. Well, I’ll give them two months at the most to get things done. Anything longer than that, they’re slackers. Have you ever watched C-Span? A Rep. will be expounding on an issue, the camera pans the room and it’s practically empty. Where are they all? They can’t all need to use the restroom at the same time. Well, maybe they’re on the golf course. They’re surely not there doing the people’s work. Think of the money we’ll save. They should only get paid by the hour as most of us are who are not retired.

      • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

        But then they would have to rush things through and that’s what you’re fighting against. Rushing bills through and not telling us what they are doing.

        I do agree with you though, just where are they all. That’s funny, they can’t all have to use the restroom at the same time.
        Just remember, when you vote, vote against the guy that is in there now. The only way to change things is to change them. Then in 2 years do the same thing, vote them out, then in 2 more years vote them out and bring in new. If they are not going to work together for the good of the country then it is up to us to get rid of them. Democrat Republican, or whatever, get them out. it might take a long time but they will get the message. Robert Carlyle Byrd (born November 20, 1917) He is still in the Senate! Has been since 1959. Don’t you think it’s time he retires? This is the part of the problem.

        • American Citizen

          There really isn’t that much that is new that they need to be concerned about. They keep usurping states rights, even with this healthcare thing. This country would run very well without their interference.

          • Tanya Peterson

            Which of the States Rights are being Surpressed?

      • American Citizen

        I just received an e-mail today about the Department of Energy as an example of government efficiency. The Department of Energy was created during Carter’s Administration in August of 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil.

        After 32 years it has 16,000 federal employees, almost 100,000 contract employees with a budget of 24.2 billion dollars. Can you name an accomplishment? We are still dependent on foreign oil.

        • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

          Yes, that is sad and a waste of money. But as soon as someone tries to put something through that will lessen our depedence on forgeign oil it gets crushed. Look at the cap and trade bill. honestly I know nothing of what is in it other than there are provisions to for alternitive energy, but the Republican party is ready to say no and not give any ideas of their own.
          I remeber a post here about the New Chevy Volt and how they claim it can get up to 230 MPG. But some half wit with the screen name American Citizen shot it down right away spouting out how it wouldn’t work for her because she needs a bigger car like a Chrysler Concord. But yet had she done just a little research and shown some excitment about a car that gets 230 MPG and technology that could lead to less dependence or foreign oil in the future, she would have learned that the new Chevy Volt is simalar in size to an Concord.
          So it is close minded people and greedy politicians taking bribes from oil companies that have kept us dependent on foreign oil.

          • American Citizen

            You can call me stupid but I have seen the Volt and it is not the same size as the Concord. We still get good gas mileage even though it’s 13 years old. We take good care of it which is what you need to do if you want to get good mileage.

  • American Citizen

    No one is talking about the true cost of Obama’s healthcare program. It will take an immense bureaucracy to handle it. Just the cost of that will be enormous. The government wants all your personal information also. Just look at the number of laptops that are stolen or “lost” by those bureaucrats already. As for the poor being taken care of, there are already programs in place for them. Also, I’ve seen insurance companies advertise on TV that they have low premiums and will accept people with pre-existing conditions.
    A high ranking British politician was on TV last evening and said their National Health Service is in trouble and that people here are right in saying they have rationed care. He also said in some countries that had socialized medicine have had to dismantle the program as they are too expensive and do not work the way the pols say they will. Any right thinking person can see the consequences of Obama’s program. Every time he talks about it, he tells another lie. He goes back on what he said during the campaign.
    In the border states, the problem with their health care costs are the number of illegals taking advantage of them. Every hospital, by law, has to take care of anyone who walks into the ER. The ER’s are overrun with people who don’t belong her in the first place. Don’t call me a racist because I don’t like for people to come here illegally which is a crime. They should wait their turn like those that come here legally.
    As I’ve said before, it’s the bleeding hearts who make life difficult for the rest of us. Every problem the government tries to fix, it creates two or three more.

  • Jeffrey Brower

    Dear Billy and Concerned,
    Rush is an entertainer. He rambles on and on about global warming, weight loss, and politics. Some of the politics, he is right on about, but all the rest is personal opinion and bull sh*t. I love to listen to him because I get a lot of vocal exercise. I yell right back at him. That is what makes him such a great radio personality and entertainer. He gets people stirred up. I will not “disbelieve” anything Rush says before checking up on it, but I don’t believe anything he says before checking either. Like I said, he is a great entertainer! And, yes Billy, he HATES democrats.

    Now, that said, I have a great deal of trouble with the Federal Government running my health care. They cannot manage our public lands and our public lands are very forgiving, more so than the human body. They cannot run our social security system and avoid one financial mess after another. They cannot run Medicare without coming to the budget for more money that they have wasted. Look at the military’s medical system and tell us all that is a great way to take care of your family needs! I work for the federal government and I have a very low opinion of the quality of leadership and control of any bureau of the fed. And now there is a big push to have the government handle our healthcare. Well, wait till they tell you what you can eat. Your diet affects your health care costs. No more soda pop or tasty deserts for you unless you are willing to take a big hit on your benefits. No more long traveling unless you are authorized to do so. You could get injured doing things you normally don’t do. That could have an impact on the healthcare budget. No more climbing ladders to get to high places around the house for repairs, you could get injured and that could impact the budget. Most our congressmen and senators have not even read the bill yet! Do I need to go on? The “Government” is NOT QUALIFIED to administer my healthcare!

  • American Citizen

    Billy boy, I did not say you should not have one of those new cars GM is making. I said they would not work for me and my husband, as well as people who are in wheelchairs, etc. They won’t work for everybody. I believe you have a comprehension problem as do a lot of liberals. They really hear and read what they want to even though that wasn’t what was said.

  • American Citizen

    For those of you who say Rush hates Democrats, not true. He hates liberalism. There’s a big difference. He’s a conservative as far as his politics. He castigates the Republicans as much as he does the Democrats. If you are not a daily listener, you do not understand where Rush is coming from. I used to listen to him every day a few years ago, but can no longer get that station on the radio here at home for some reason. I just get a snatch once in a while on the car radio. I’ve never heard him say something that wasn’t true. I have heard him say he was wrong at times. Yes, he admits it when he’s wrong.

  • goldenheart

    As long as we, as a society still subscribe to “us vs. them” our troubles will only get worse. It’s all our votes that have given us a goverment run by the worst qualified people. remember the goverments role is to control. Just look around and peek behind the curtain..WE the people have given our rights away and it takes blood to get them back.

  • Tammy Jones

    DaveH,
    You are correct that I don’t know a whole lot about economics, but neither do you, at least I can admit it! And I know enough to plan for things that might be and just in case.
    one of the things the government is trying to do with healthcare is get the cost under control. Even you reconize that there is a problem in the cost of it. However when someone without insurance needs health care and can’t pay, they still receive the care. It is just added on to those who can pay. So say you get sick and end up in the hospital for a weeks and weeks. How will you pay for it? I can assume that you won’t be able to pay. The hospital will not allow themselves to lose money. So the if I get sick they just tack extra onto my bill to help recover costs because I have insurance that will cover me. So in fact I am paying for you. Now the insurance companies are not going to take the loss either, so they raise rates on everyone to recover what they paid for the deadbeat without insurance.
    Also, insurance companies like most big business are greedy. Just like the banks. They can get away with raising our rates every year and at huge amounts, 48% insurance increases are not uncommon. That’s not right either. Somehow it all has to be reeled in and put under control. The Government is the only one that can do that. That fat greedy CEO isn’t going to do it.
    After studing some of this healthcare stuff the past few weeks I can say I don’t agree with every part of it. It shouldn’t be a tax increase on just the rich. There should be user fees. If you use it you pay. Even if it’s just $5 a week you still got to pay something.
    As far as the President jetting around the world that’s what we hired him to do. He gets paid $487,000 a year. The average congress person gets $174,000 a year. Both far from the millions that a Insurance CEO earns, and they do far more work than an Isurance CEO. Don’t miss understand, I’m for making money and people deserve to get paid a good salary, but when you make millions basiclly by ripping people off that is not right.
    You also said that the insurance companies create a lot of jobs. That is true. But can you imagine how many more jobs will be created when the government sets up healthcare? The thing is when the government does it they won’t be looking to make billions of dollars every year in profit. They will be able to provide the coverage at cost.
    But you know, I think you must be some sort of politicain, because when you are asked a question you reply with a lot of words but never anser the question. And my question is, What will you do if you need to go to the hospital? I assume from other statments you made that you are getting older. No insurance is one thing when you are 20, but after you get past 40 it’s just really foolish. And w ith such foolish thoughts how can anyone here take you Seriously?

    • Smilee

      You sure proved in this post you know a lot more about economics than Dave, actually I think you are being way to modest. You know more than you are letting on.

      • Tanya Peterson

        People like DaveH only hear what they want to hear and only listen to those that tell them what they want to hear. They listen to people like Glenn Beck, Dick Morris, and Sean Hannity who’s only concern is to see that the republican party gets back in power in Washington. Talk about power hungry people. The thing that amazes me is that so many of their lies have been proven wrong, debunked. But yet they are still telling these lies and people are still believing them. I do wonder how many of these same people complain when they get their insurance renewal and complain about the cost of it, or all the things the insurance did not cover.

        • American Citizen

          The conservative talk show hosts do their homework. They only say what we are already thinking. They are our voice, just as the other networks give the liberals voice. It takes listening to both sides to find the truth and it’s usually the conservatives that history proves right.

          • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

            You mean like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Dick Morris and Rush Limbaugh? People who can easliy be proven wrong by the liberal meadia and spout out the talking points they have been handed from the Republicans?
            Tell me, when Bill Clinton went to North Korea and came back home with the two ladies that were in prison there, do you think he did the right thing?

  • Tammy Jones

    The 25 Highest Paid HMO Executives 1996 Annual Compensation
    Exclusive of Unexercised Stock Options

    Stephen Wiggins, CEO, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $29,061,599
    Wilson Taylor, Chairman and CEO, CIGNA Corporation $11,568,410
    David Snow, Executive Vice President, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $10,403,451
    Robert Smoler, Executive Vice President, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $10,085,972
    William Sullivan, President, Oxford Health Plans, Inc. $7,823,076
    Joseph Sebastianelli, President, Aetna, Inc. $7,394,506
    Michael Cardillo, Executive Vice President, Aetna, Inc. $7,069,969
    Leonard Schaeffer, Chairman and CEO, WellPoint Health Networks, Inc. $7,010,698
    George Jochum, President and CEO, Mid-Atlantic Medical Services, Inc. $6,526,065
    Ronald Compton, Chairman and CEO, Aetna, Inc. $5,813,287
    Wayne Smith, Former President, Humana, Inc. $5,166,575
    James Stewart, Executive Vice President, CIGNA Corporation $4,832,799
    Richard Huber, Vice Chairman, Aetna, Inc. $4,801,841
    Roger Taylor, Executive Vice President, PacifiCare Health Systems, Inc. $4,103,864
    Daniel Crowley, CEO and President, Foundation Health Corporation $3,849,023
    Gerald Isom, President, Property and Casualty, CIGNA Corporation $3,778,293
    Alan Hoops, President and CEO, PacifiCare Health Systems, Inc. $3,221,602
    Daniel Kearney, Executive Vice President, Aetna, Inc $3,189,272
    D. Mark Weinberg, Exec. Vice President, WellPoint Health Networks, Inc. $3,009,944
    Donald Levinson, Executive Vice President, CIGNA Corporation $2,985,017
    Ronald Williams, Exec. Vice President, WellPoint Health Networks, Inc. $2,827,381
    Allen Wise, Executive Vice President, United HealthCare Corporation $2,697,751
    Jeffrey Elder, Senior Vice President, Foundation Health Corporation $2,235,783
    H. Edward Hanway, President CIGNA HealthCare, CIGNA Corporation $2,217,711
    Kirk Benson, President and COO, Foundation Health Corporation $2,104,414
    http://www.harp.org/hmoexecs.htm

  • rwbiek

    The to 25 executive salaries combined are less than 1/6000th of what the feds waste every year.

    Why may a fuss over such a pittance?

    See Reader’s Digest January 2008
    The Government Is Wasting Your Tax Dollars!

    • Smilee

      Bet you do not know the difference between apples and oranges either do you?? You sure missed her point, must be a conservative I’d guess, as it sounds like their mentality.

  • R. Wainwright

    The financial crisis was an act of arson not a mistake. It was a second terror attack on our country’s middle class in order to take over America’s most valuable assets. Until we hold those responsible for 911/ financial crisis and audit the federal reserve, both parties will be ineffective. First, we must be courageous to look at real history and do responsible research. For a start go to http://www.rense.com; http://www.bollyn.com;www.whatreallyhappened.com;globalresearch.com; IHR.com; alternet.com; also read the foreign press articles. Then call your local legislature to demand a real investigation into 911; kennedy; MOSSAD;

  • Annie Ladysmith

    The “Civil War’, united aggression from the Northern states against Southern independence, was the coffin that ended the state’s rights forever. If you come from Northern states that fought Dixie now you know how it feels to have the Federal government shovel their Bull-crap down your gullet. Don’t like it, well too bad, because Dixie was fighting for your sovereignty whither you see it or not.

    The fearsome precedent has been set, which is: 1)any state seceeding from the Federal Union WILL BE met with lethal force, 2)anyone disagreeing with Federal policy will be imprisoned without habeus corpus rights, you know, those FEMA camps they’ve been building all over.

    By the time the ‘Union’ finished with ‘reconstruction’ the South was no more, it had been effectively and completely destroyed. The people, the survivors few, suffered famine and disease for years after the ‘Civil War’. This is what is coming on all America, they have been setting up the enslavement infrastructure for years.

    If you can whistle ‘Dixie’ it may be a good time to start, we’ll all be whistling it on the way to the FEMA camps.

    I am not a Southerner, i am just a student of history.

    • Tanya Peterson

      Where are these FEMA Camps? Do you have photos of them? I’d love to see them.

      • Tanya Peterson

        Hunpf, to reply about the FEMA Camps.

    • Smilee

      Wow!! you sound like you are still fighting the Civil War, It also sounds like you probably flunked history.

    • keith

      I AM,AND WE HAV’NT FORGOTTEN!

  • American Citizen

    Just today analysts are saying that with the provisions in Obama’s healthcare bill, it will hamstring businesses and cost 1 million jobs.

    • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

      Where did you hear that?
      For one thing Obama doesn’t have health care bill. Congress is trying to put one together. The House has come up with one bill that came out. The Senate is so wishy washy they can’t do anything. Obama has actually been all over the board on the issue himself. Public option, no public option, he has no clue either. So to call it Obama’s bill is just plain bull.
      The other thing is, right now employers cover the major expense of health care for people they employ. Now tell me,why do we make employers pay for that? If they did not have to pay for health care for employees they could actually pay their employees more money, and still have more money to invest in their company. I work for a company that employs about 200 people. The anual cost of health care coverage for the company is 1 million dollars! That to me is a lot of money for a company that has only 29 million in sales a year.
      Why are you so against small business? Why would you not want to help them get control over the cost of health care so that the money can be spent elsewhere?
      Why don’t you just admit it, it has nothing to do with health care and what is good or bad for the country. It comes down to there is a Democrat in the White House, Republicans are mad they lost the election, if heath care reform passes, and if it works, like medicare, Obama is going to be praised and elected to a second term and that’s the worse thing for Republicans. That is what this is all about, getting a republican back into the White House.

      • American Citizen

        Here Stassi, you are right. The President has no plan, he doesn’t even understand the one the House cobbled together. It has nothing to do with Democrat or Republican, the opposition has to do with the plan itself. We don’t want socialized medicine. It won’t work for 307 million people. Those countries that have it are smaller than we are and they are in trouble financially. The cost of the programs becomes burdensome. That’s why the problems they have. It would be even worse for us.

        • Tanya Peterson

          I hope you turned down your medicare and social security because those are government run socialist programs. A good capitolist like you should not be receiving anything from the government.

    • Smilee

      More conservative misinformation, you conservatives really are gullible

      • American Citizen

        Come one, where’s your common sense? The analysts are right.

  • Julie

    Bill wells.
    You sound like a talking point propaganda machine for the left! Why are you so afraid of Sarah Palin?
    Tanya, for FEMA camp story read http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2009/cbarchive__20090811.html

    • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

      Interesting, one your link didn’t work. Two, someone you probably respect, Glenn Beck, has debunked the FEMA Camps. Now I don’t know what to believe, Glenn Beck is such a liar who’s to know.

    • http://www.whitehouse.gov/ Stassi Parker

      Sarah Palin is scary because she is not very bright. She has forgein policy expirence because she can see Russia from her house? Her interviews last year showed that she is not well informed. She couldn’t even answer the simple question of what do you read? She doesn’t want her family to be discussed in the media, but whenever she give a press conference or does anything where cameras are one of her kids is always there. Recently she has blogged about the death panels being proposed in the health care bills, this even after it was proven to be a lie. She still repeated the lie. But elderly people in her own state of Alaska died waiting for evaluations from her state government. And did I mention, she’s not very bright, look at the turkey farm deal last year. You’d think she wouldn’t allow herself to be interviwed in front of a guy killing turkeies. Had to be the worst spot on the farm for an interview. She’s not very bright.
      She is a good poet though.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgiqSNNuhQg

  • Rich

    No one proved her death panel statement was a lie because ‘it could’ you can’t prove it to be false. It was an opinion based on her interpretation of the HR3200 document she read. I have the same interpretation that it could based on the fact that it was/is written like an HMO charter that states bean-counters (accountants) are in charge of medical decisions. That is not saying it will or will not but that it could lead to it. It is kind of funny how people are now ‘lieing’ when they state an opinion on what could happen based on the documentation they are provided because they see an open door. Without closing that door then an open door will be walked through at some point weather it is now or in 100 years is irrelevant. The constitution also stated that your and my income based on services was not taxable by the government but they sure as heck found a way around that one, and quite ingeniously to boot. They said that the federal government was not able/allowed to infringe on a states sovereignty but they sure did that one, meaning the the Civil War was technically unconstitutional. I am not saying that slavery was right, I completely disagree with it, but the war was unconstitutional according to what was written. Slavery was not the original issue, and did not become the issue until France threatened to enter the war on the Souths behalf. That is a side not but who cares at this point it happened and now we are living in a country where the federal government is becoming too large and a Fascist/Communist state. Both of those forms of governments are extreme socialism where the state controls industry, banking, medicine and so forth. We currently have Government Motors aka GM and many Banks are still owned by the Fed because of the TARP monies they accepted. I am not going to go into the debate if they were forced to or not, they are controlled by the Fed until such time as they repay that TARP debt. It has been proven countless times in history that no large government can sustain itself. A large local government may but that has always been replaced by a large centralized government. The Greek city states fell after they became a strong centralized government, the Romans the Russians etc. That is not to say they all fell for exactly the same reasons but that they all fell.
    I am so tired of hearing this debate to be quite honest and blunt if you want free medical care or social services move to a country that caters to your belief system, don’t shove them down someones throat. Cuba has an incredible state ran health care system, I am not going to go any further than that on Cuba as I would never in a million years choose to live in that governmental style. Canada has a decent health care program just make sure you live in or as close as possible to a urban population center or you may only see a Dr. once a year, that does not mean their program is bad just that it is financially as responsible as it can be. England and France both have pretty good health care, but England is so much of a police state with the government spying on her own citizens I would not want to live there either. France has incredibly high taxes to pay for all of their revolutionary social programs, but they are as free as the US otherwise. Looks like France would be the place I recommend to anyone who wants socialism, because most Americans do not want that.

    I am of the belief that if I give a drunk money he is just going to continue to get drunk, if I give a man a fish he is going to continue to look for a hand out, if I teach a man to fish he will become self reliant!

    • Stassi Parker

      My my want a rant. First, The government did not force GM and Chrysler to take any money. Those companies went to the government looking for help. Much the same way that Chrysler did back in the early 80′s and Ronald Regan and that congress loaned them money to keep operating. The same is true now. However, since the money was loaned to the auto companies the government has every right to look over their shoulder and see how they are spending it. That is not taking over, that is keeping track of your investment. The banks on the other hand were a mistake. The first go around with the banks came under Bush. Like the Republican he is, that administration really had no clue what to do when banks started to fail and they just through money at it and thought it would help. Congress went along with it because they were just as dumbfounded as the adminstration. There was no oversight and the banks continued to aste the money and pay huge sums to people that basicly collapsed the company.
      Second, I am not asking for FREE health care. I am wanting the whole system to be revised in a way that assures me that if I get laid off in a few weeks I’ll still have coverage to fall back on. That way I won’t have to receive health care services for free from the hosp. because when that happens it’s not really free. Those charges are divided up among ALL the people that have insurance and paid to the hosp. that way. I also want the security to know that if I have a heart attack this year, and something goes wrong again next year, after my company switches plans for less money, I’ll still be covered for it. So many plans do mnot cover pre existing conditions. Right now I’m at the mercy of my employer. He chooses what insurance company and plan I have. Like most employers it will be the least expensive. Which is around one million dollars to cover 200 people for one year. There’s a deal! That’s like $416 a month per person. That will buy you a very nice car. Can you afford to pay that yourself? If you can good for you. But when you’re only making about $12 an hour it gets a little tough. Unless you give up eating and those kinds of things.
      As for Mrs. Palin, Somehow I don’t think she had a whole lot of dealing with Canada. And you know Canada is such a threat to the US with their socilism that they are just scary. As for Russia, I doubt that she can actually see Russia from her house let alone have a real government dealings with them. I don’t know for sure, but the areas of Russia and Alaska that actually border each other are sooooooo remote. It gets damn cold up there and there aren’t many people up in those regions. Plus may I remind you that she just quit! She quit. In the middle of her term. She was elected to do a job, once she basicly made an ass out of herself she realized the job was too hard and quit. If she take the heat of being governor of a small state like Alaska how in the world would she ever be handle being president of the USA.
      There are no death panels. If you want to opose something fine. But at least opose it for decent reasons, like we can’t pay for it, or it’s not fair to tax just the top 1% wage earners. At least have a real debateabout it.

      • Rich

        I never said they were ‘death panels’ only that they could become them. It’s an open door that will potentially be exploited. I never said anyone forced them to take anything other that they themselves. I am firmly against those bailouts and will always be, I don’t see the governmnet helping small businesses right now, do you? Small businesses employ more people than GM, Crysler and Chevy combined in the US. Now if you want to talk regionally then the numbers are completely different and favor those 3 organizations. Ford did not take the bailout and went against the union by accepting a pay cut and worker less hours over the term of a year by cutting overtime and such so that they kept working, why then di the American tax money go to any of them, if they so obviously were able to help themselves?

        You finally said something I can agree with you on that through the current regulations the health care industry is as corrupt as the government we currently have. I may have embellisihed a bit on your statement but affordable health care should be on the table but the plan Mr. Obama and the democrats want to shove down our throats is full of loopholes and potetially bad things. The potential of the IRS seizing assets because they are the collections arm. The panel that could turn into a ‘death panel’ which is not true at this point I conceed, but it being ran by accountants can turn it into one. They would controls how the monies being spent will be done so. The current COBRA option is just too expensive for most, I know that from experience when I was laid off after 9/11 happened, but it is there as 1 option. There are other options most Americans don’t think about like free clinics, which yes they suck but the operative word is FREE, so when your down on you luck they are a great alternative, I know I used them. Some are better than others, so you may have to ‘shop around’ to find one that you like. There are too many different organizations that do these services currently in this country, and too many Americans that want, well to be to be blunt asses when it comes to service. They want it ‘NOW damn it!’

        You were in attack mode up until you responded to my post from everything I read and now you have put forth an eloquent statement so I salute you.

      • Rich

        I will respond to your Palin remoarks as you are completly correct. She had very limited exposure to any type of foreign diplomacy, the areas are remote and cold, but even limited is some, she as I said originally made it sound like she were a diplomat, and she had no more than the gover5nor of Texas with Mexico. I never will imply that Canada is a threat only a foreign government.

      • David Hall

        You hit the nail on the head! WE CAN’T AFFORD GOVERNMENT NOTHING, NOT
        EVEN HEALTH CARE! Any & ALL Federal Government plans have been and are
        BANKRUPT or going BANKRUPT! Republican controled or democrat controled.
        Social Security, Postal Service, Medicare, V. A. Hospitals, Medicade,
        Welfare, Hud, Public School Systems (which are Gov. controled) Federal
        & State Prison Systems (which are Gov. controled). Want be long and
        Obama will bankrupt our Military, even though he’s making cuts. It would be a hell of a lot CHEAPER to fix MEDICARE or the states should
        handle the problem of health-care in their own state for it’s own people. NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

    • American Citizen

      Once a camel gets its nose in the tent, you can be sure the rest will follow. If there’s an open door, you can be sure the bureaucrats will walk through it and make the rules. They are under orders to cut costs, not help patients.

  • Rich

    I need to make a correction the fed does not control all or those things they do control or are trying to control all of those things is what I meant to say, and apologize that I missed it before when I proofed my statement.

  • Rich

    Oh and by the way Stassi, Sarah Palin has more foreign relations experience than most governor’s because not only did she have to deal with Russia she dealt with another foreign country a little one named Canada. I am not saying it is a whole lot of experience but when you have a neighbor and they happen to be a foreign country you get some, not much, foreign relations in your resume. The same would apply for any governor that borders a foreign nation. I do believe she made it sound BIGGER than it was though, so will concede that point to you. She definitely made it sound big, but it was not to be honest so let it go, she lost the election because people knew she was trying to make it sound bigger than it really is.

  • American Citizen

    Tanya, there was no “reply” under your post, so I’ll reply here. The Republicans do have a plan, but the Democrats won’t even consider it. They didn’t let the Republicans in the debate. Maybe the Senate will be different. Even so, I don’t want Socialized Medicine at all. It isn’t working in other countries like some are trying to say it does as we’ve been hearing how bad it is from those who really need it. I just heard today that breast cancer patients have a 60% better chance of survival here than they do in those socialized countries. I, myself, am a 12 year survivor. I’m still in treatment, as once you have cancer, you will ever after have to have tests to see if it’s cured or if it’s returned. I’ve not been cured, but I am a survivor because of the treatments I got initially and am still receiving. initial treatments consisted of chemo and radiation (which those in socialized countries don’t get as they say it’s too expensive.) Now I receive an infusion every 4 months. I also know some other women who are also breast cancer survivors who have basically gone through the same things as I have.

    • Tanya Peterson

      If the Republicans have a plan, what is it? Other than just let it alone. I mean the President keeps saying he wants a bi patisim bill. That’s what he wants. But now he’s starting to think the heck with the republicans because they aren’t offering anything useful. Like you were told before, you really have to get your news from souces other than Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
      By the way the US ranks like 35th in Health Care.

      • American Citizen

        I have heard John McCain in his Town Hall meeting say the Republicans tried to amend some of the health care bill and the Democrats wouldn’t even consider them. They basically shut the Republicans out of the writing of the bill. We haven’t heard the Republican version as yet as it’s still being worked on, just as the Senate’s is. To say we get all our news from talk show hosts and commentators is just plan hogwash.

        • Tanya Peterson

          The Republican plan is to have no plan. They want to keep it the same as it is now. Insurance companies making billions each year, CEO making tens of millions, all the while you’re being told, we don’t cover that.

        • Tanya Peterson

          And what news source did you hear this from or were you at his town hall?

  • American Citizen

    For all on here, we have the best health care system in the world. It just needs to be tweaked. The Federal Government is going to screw it up. If you’ve never had to deal with a government program you don’t know what I’m talking about. I thought I’d lost my driver’s license a couple of years ago. The hoops I had to jump through to get a new one were ridiculous. Here I was a 73 year old woman, driving for 51 years with a spotless driving record having to prove who I am. There were people working in the branch who knew me as well as did some people waiting to be served. I got so angry that day I almost lost it. I had to drive back home twice (having no license) to get more documents to prove who I am. I was ready to throttle that poor worker as she was only following orders. I realized that which is why I don’t trust bureaucrats.

    • American Citizen

      Sorry, the word “which” should not be in that last sentence. I forgot to proof. Also, the funny thing is, I found my license in a sweater pocket I hadn’t worn for a while. The reason it was in a sweater pocket is that sometimes I just took the license with me as I didn’t want to have to carry a purse.

    • Tanya Peterson

      This is from 2000 so it’s getting a little old, but I think it’s still pretty close.
      The World Health Organization’s ranking
      of the world’s health systems.
      Source: WHO World Health Report – See also Spreadsheet Details (731kb)

      The World Health Organization’s ranking of the world’s health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.

      See also: Healthy Life Expectancy By Country
      See also: Health Performance Rank By Country
      See also: Total Health Expenditure as % of GDP (2000-2005)
      See also: Main Country Ranks Page
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      Rank Country

      1 France
      2 Italy
      3 San Marino
      4 Andorra
      5 Malta
      6 Singapore
      7 Spain
      8 Oman
      9 Austria
      10 Japan
      11 Norway
      12 Portugal
      13 Monaco
      14 Greece
      15 Iceland
      16 Luxembourg
      17 Netherlands
      18 United Kingdom
      19 Ireland
      20 Switzerland
      21 Belgium
      22 Colombia
      23 Sweden
      24 Cyprus
      25 Germany
      26 Saudi Arabia
      27 United Arab Emirates
      28 Israel
      29 Morocco
      30 Canada
      31 Finland
      32 Australia
      33 Chile
      34 Denmark
      35 Dominica
      36 Costa Rica
      37 United States of America
      38 Slovenia
      39 Cuba
      40 Brunei
      41 New Zealand
      42 Bahrain
      43 Croatia
      44 Qatar
      45 Kuwait
      46 Barbados
      47 Thailand
      48 Czech Republic
      49 Malaysia
      50 Poland
      51 Dominican Republic
      52 Tunisia
      53 Jamaica
      54 Venezuela
      55 Albania
      56 Seychelles
      57 Paraguay
      58 South Korea
      59 Senegal
      60 Philippines
      61 Mexico
      62 Slovakia
      63 Egypt
      64 Kazakhstan
      65 Uruguay
      66 Hungary
      67 Trinidad and Tobago
      68 Saint Lucia
      69 Belize
      70 Turkey
      71 Nicaragua
      72 Belarus
      73 Lithuania
      74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
      75 Argentina
      76 Sri Lanka
      77 Estonia
      78 Guatemala
      79 Ukraine
      80 Solomon Islands
      81 Algeria
      82 Palau
      83 Jordan
      84 Mauritius
      85 Grenada
      86 Antigua and Barbuda
      87 Libya
      88 Bangladesh
      89 Macedonia
      90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
      91 Lebanon
      92 Indonesia
      93 Iran
      94 Bahamas
      95 Panama
      96 Fiji
      97 Benin
      98 Nauru
      99 Romania
      100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
      101 Moldova
      102 Bulgaria
      103 Iraq
      104 Armenia
      105 Latvia
      106 Yugoslavia
      107 Cook Islands
      108 Syria
      109 Azerbaijan
      110 Suriname
      111 Ecuador
      112 India
      113 Cape Verde
      114 Georgia
      115 El Salvador
      116 Tonga
      117 Uzbekistan
      118 Comoros
      119 Samoa
      120 Yemen
      121 Niue
      122 Pakistan
      123 Micronesia
      124 Bhutan
      125 Brazil
      126 Bolivia
      127 Vanuatu
      128 Guyana
      129 Peru
      130 Russia
      131 Honduras
      132 Burkina Faso
      133 Sao Tome and Principe
      134 Sudan
      135 Ghana
      136 Tuvalu
      137 Ivory Coast
      138 Haiti
      139 Gabon
      140 Kenya
      141 Marshall Islands
      142 Kiribati
      143 Burundi
      144 China
      145 Mongolia
      146 Gambia
      147 Maldives
      148 Papua New Guinea
      149 Uganda
      150 Nepal
      151 Kyrgystan
      152 Togo
      153 Turkmenistan
      154 Tajikistan
      155 Zimbabwe
      156 Tanzania
      157 Djibouti
      158 Eritrea
      159 Madagascar
      160 Vietnam
      161 Guinea
      162 Mauritania
      163 Mali
      164 Cameroon
      165 Laos
      166 Congo
      167 North Korea
      168 Namibia
      169 Botswana
      170 Niger
      171 Equatorial Guinea
      172 Rwanda
      173 Afghanistan
      174 Cambodia
      175 South Africa
      176 Guinea-Bissau
      177 Swaziland
      178 Chad
      179 Somalia
      180 Ethiopia
      181 Angola
      182 Zambia
      183 Lesotho
      184 Mozambique
      185 Malawi
      186 Liberia
      187 Nigeria
      188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
      189 Central African Republic
      190 Myanmar

  • American Citizen

    This is laughable. Are they trying to tell us smaller countries have better health and healthcare than the U.S.? Our size is part of the problem. We are one of the largest countries in the world with a population of 307 million. Can you imagine that many people on one health plan? Can you imagine the number of people it would take to manage such a plan?

    By the way, I heard a Senator from Virginia say the government plan is a wellness plan In other words, it will work better for you if you don’t get sick or have a debilitating or chronic disease.

  • Tanya Peterson

    You are so brain washed that you just refuse to understand. YES! smaller countries have better health care than we do here! Our system is based on greed and profits not personal care. How many times do you have to be told that?

    If you can keep people healthy the cost of health care goes down. I know it’s your right as an American to be unhealthy. But if you can keep people heathly you have a more productive country. So basicly you think Americans should be sickly creatures?

    The company I work for has hired a full time Health and Wellness coach to help keep us all well. It costs them less money to have a wellness coach employed because they get a better rate on insurance. The cost of insurance is killing business faster than taxes. Why can’t you wake up and smell the coffee?

    Please, you seem someone intelligent, turn off Fox propaganda and Rush Limbaugh and get some other information and get informed.

    • FD

      I would suggest that YOU read HR 3200, I have. Socialized Medicine does not nor has it worked in Canada, UK or any other countries.

  • Tanya Peterson

    Article IV – The States
    Section 1 – Each State to Honor all others

    Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

    Section 2 – State citizens, Extradition

    The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

    A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

    (No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, But shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.) (This clause in parentheses is superseded by the 13th Amendment.)

    Section 3 – New States

    New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

    The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

    Section 4 – Republican government

    The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

  • ivett russell

    Ms Hellen Smith,
    Here is a website you may want to check out so you can have a
    different perspective when it comes down to Democrats or Republicans.
    These two parties are like looking at a coin wich displays at different face on each side; but they basicly persue several main basic agendas. I consider myself an independent. I support the constitution; and the only presidential candidate that is for the constitution is Ron Paul. You will find the inpersonator of J P Morgan to be very effective delivering a clear message. The main
    stream media is all a big joke. They are a tool being used by elite
    corporate bankers to isolate our minds and distract us so we will not pay attention to issues that really affect us. Here is the website:
    http://www.inforwars.com/j-p-morgan-blows-the-wistle-on-the-new-world-order/
    ivett

  • http://Yahoo Loe’

    ITS FOOLISH TO SAY BUSH MADE PEOPLE HATE MUSLIMS…MUSLIMS MADE PEOPLE HATE THEIR STRANGE WAYS..WOMEN IN THE USA AND OTHER FAIR COUNTRIES ARE TREATED WITH RESPECT….NOT SO IN MUSLIM LAND

  • http://castawaydays.com Jerry F

    The States gave away their best insurance against growing power of the national government when they ratified the 17th amendment which changed the appointment of US Senators to popular election instead of appointment by the State government. No bill gets to the president’s desk unless it goes through the Senate. If any effort is made to strip power from the States and move it to Washington, the Senate could stop it – especially if they were still appointed by their State government. The Senate could also stop bills that would lay unfunded mandates on the States, if the intent of the original Constitution had been left alone. Now the Senators are just like the Representatives – stealing tax money for pet projects to appease their constituency and assure re-election. The Senators should be trying to protect States Rights to assure reappointment. See the difference? REPEAL THE 17TH AMENDMENT.

  • Norm

    MAYBE SOME STATES SHOULD LEAVE…..

    Spending: Winners and Losers
    Thirty states and the District of Columbia received more money from the federal government in 2005 than they sent to Washington in federal taxes. Listed are the federal taxes and spending per person, along with the amount each state received for every tax dollar it sent to Washington.
    State Taxes Spending Return
    Ala. 4,485 9,248 2.06
    Alaska 5,307 13,916 2.62
    Ariz. 4,901 7,499 1.53
    Ark. 8,651 7,345 0.85
    Calif. 7,351 6,694 0.91
    Colo. 8,099 6,685 0.83
    Conn. 13,178 8,791 0.67
    Del. 15,714 6,528 0.42
    D.C. 31,250 65,044 2.08
    Fla. 6,504 7,572 1.16
    Ga. 7,234 6,553 0.91
    Hawaii 5,247 9,973 1.90
    Idaho 5,463 6,715 1.23
    Ill. 9,336 6,328 0.68
    Ind. 6,025 6,758 1.12
    Iowa 5,789 6,861 1.19
    Kan. 6,840 7,457 1.09
    Ky. 4,562 8,305 1.82
    La. 5,690 8,792 1.55
    Maine 4,337 8,615 1.99
    Md. 8,377 11,936 1.42
    Mass. 10,006 8,678 0.87
    Mich. 6,782 6,414 0.95
    Minn. 13,098 6,060 0.46
    Miss. 3,046 9,002 2.96
    Mo. 6,823 8,326 1.22
    Mont. 3,847 8,360 2.17
    Neb. 9,170 7,272 0.79
    Nev. 6,927 5,840 0.84
    N.H. 6,279 6,375 1.02
    N.J. 11,720 6,735 0.57
    N.M. 3,449 10,698 3.10
    N.Y. 10,280 7,500 0.73
    N.C. 6,979 6,822 0.98
    N.D. 4,615 10,413 2.26
    Ohio 8,442 6,790 0.80
    Okla. 8,046 7,799 0.97
    Ore. 5,418 6,263 1.16
    Pa. 7,665 8,021 1.05
    R.I. 9,047 7,846 0.87
    S.C. 3,996 7,545 1.89
    S.D. 4,961 9,654 1.95
    Tenn. 7,062 8,108 1.15
    Texas 7,388 6,485 0.88
    Utah 4,677 5,952 1.27
    Vt. 5,320 7,463 1.40
    Va. 7,196 12,572 1.75
    Wash. 7,310 7,365 1.01
    W.Va. 3,015 8,868 2.94
    Wis. 6,870 6,105 0.89
    Wyo. 6,066 9,399 1.55
    Nation 7,652 7,706 1.01

    Sources: Census Bureau; Internal Revenue Service

    The analysis shows that wealthy states pay more than poor ones, blue states subsidize red states, and states with powerful politicians on key House and Senate committees fare well in federal spending.
    High-income states like New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts paid more in taxes than they received in federal spending, while low-income states like Mississippi, West Virginia and Alabama got a much higher return for their tax dollars.

    • eyeswideopen

      Norm, make it easy on me, what is the link for this info? thx

  • Harold

    It is time for each state to recall one ineffective Congressional member; your choice, Representative or Senator. Perhaps that would show them that “We The People” are fed up with the shenanigans in Camp Run Amok (Washington D C).

  • Bob

    The level of stupidity and intollerance I see never ceases to amaze me. This whole concept of States Rights has been debunked for what it was RACIST, the current Republican strongholds are what was once the Confederacy where states rights were used to defend slavery and segregation. Apparantly a lot hasen’t been learned by some people since the Civil War.

    The idea of cesession is BIG FAT WET DREAM

  • Rich

    wow Bob, you should move to the USSR, oh wait that doesn’t exist, how about Rome, naw that one is gone too, uhh has any nation of the size of the US actually not fallen that had a large centralized government? I honestly can’t think of one, I mean China could be called upon but their government is what under 100 years old. The whole point of states rights was not racist, it was that each state should base their laws upon the population of their state based on the residents of said state. It was to minimize rather than maximize the corruption we are seeing today, in both republican and democrat representatives. You claim the level of stupidity and intolerance amazes you well maybe you should look in a mirror before spouting that one, as not one person here is talking about slavery, and so you know, it was outlawed at about the same time you stating, on a national level. Was the law constitutional, I don’t care to be honest it was the right thing to do. Was the war unconstitutional, yes on several stances, but who cares it happened. Was slavery unconstitutional, abso-freekin-lutely! The constitution states that all men are created equally, was a slave not a man? Anyways I digress this is not about slavery, this is about the federal government over stepping their constitutional authority into areas guaranteed to be either the jurisdiction of the state and for all not directly granted the state are given to the people. You really should read the 10th amendment.

  • Ernesto

    Either this or we march on washington!!

  • Jimmy

    we should go back to what this country was founded upon and that is a strict implementation of the constitution. The people that want socialized country should move to one. these little libbers pissing in their pants is revolting in more ways than one.

  • warner mobley

    SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!

  • http://public.presalesadvisor.com/Common/BuildByFamily.aspx?identity=2301&dso=en-GB Lashon Saltis

    I always recommend to my clients the IBM x3200 m3 – nice solid machine

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