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Satanists Feel Persecuted

July 4, 2012 by  

Satanists Feel Persecuted
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A Denver-area couple is upset after their political message was cut down.

A Satanist couple in the Denver-area are claiming to be the victims of a hate crime after a sign reading “VOTE SATAN” was removed from their front porch. Satan’s endorsement was hung next to the American flag.

Luigi and Angie Bellaviste, members of the Church of Satan, decorate their property with black items, skulls and the number 666.

“I know of many people who have the Virgin Mary and tons of Jesus memorabilia ‘I Love Jesus’ and what is the difference?” said Mrs. Bellaviste.

But some of the neighbors see a difference.

“Everybody that sees that sign says, ‘What is going on with those people?’” said neighbor Mary Morasco.

The couple believes that the person who cut down their sign should be charged with a hate crime.

“Had that been the Star of David or a verse from the Koran, or something like that got damaged by somebody against those beliefs that would certainly be considered a hate crime,” said Mr. Bellaviste.

The Mountain View Police Department is planning to file the incident as a theft.

Bryan Nash

Staff writer Bryan Nash has devoted much of his life to searching for the truth behind the lies that the masses never question. He is currently pursuing a Master's of Divinity and is the author of The Messiah's Misfits, Things Unseen and The Backpack Guide to Surviving the University. He has also been a regular contributor to the magazine Biblical Insights.

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  • Eric Jones

    Rather you like it or not satanism is a religion and as such it is protected by the constitution FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

    • Vigilant

      True, but what’s that got to do with the article?

      As for “hate crime,” that’s the most unconstitutional concept there is. Where does the Constitution say that the “victim” gets to choose the motive of the crime, or that juries have some special psychological insight into the perpetrator’s motives?

      • old hillbilly

        It’s just a simple misunderstanding – obviously by one of the countless who aren’t familiar with the English language. Satan is an old word that continually evolves & grows. The party of the first part is the political party (satan)… in this country one must vote for the candidate appropriate for getting elected to whatever office they seek to corrupt. It’s spelled OBAMA, REED, PELOSS, etc.I

    • Michael J.

      Eric Jones,
      Flip-flopping liberals espouse “freedom of religion” or “freedom from religion” depending on which one supports their parroted argument of the moment that seeks to legitimize favored causes.

      • chester

        Michael, I see NO difference in the two statements. If you are free to practice the religion of your choice, does that not also leave you free to choose NO religion?

      • Michael J.

        Chester,
        I was merely shining a light on liberal duplicity. But since you brought it up, “freedom of religion” is one of the founding principles on which this nation was built, with the accompanying freedom to NOT
        worship built in almost as an after thought.

        “Freedom from religion” is the modern, corupt interpretation imposed on society by liberal judges with the Political Correctness sword in hand.

      • Eric Jones

        This coming from the same side of the spectrum that produced Romney. and i have never flip-flopped in my life.

      • Michael J.

        Eric Jones,
        I can assure you that I am not a Romney supporter.
        And for most liberals who’ve been hooked by socialist indoctrination, flip-flopping comes as naturally as it does to a fish out of water seeking desperately to rejoin the water that Obama walks on.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          I’d rather be a flip-flopper than a Chicago-style political thug & his criminal cabal, especially his racist, murdering Attorney General!!

        • Eric Jones

          Interesting that you say that as i AM a socialist and i belive everything i say can you say the same?

    • Flashy

      Eric…Satanism is an offshoot of Christianity. Satan is a creation by christianity. Thus, to believe in Satan, one must first be a christian. Of course it’s a religion…unless one desires to state christianity is not a religion…or state that only some beliefs of christianity are “correct” … which brings up the question of who decides THAT issue …

      • chester

        Better go talk to the Jews and to the Muslims about who created Satan. From my readings, there is a similar personage in nearly ALL religions, even the pantheistic ones.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          To those in the know, who follow, The Teachings of the Ascended Masters, Satan is Lucifer’s cousin. Lucifer, (in Latin, a”‘being of Light”) was an Archangel who rebelled against God in heaven & was banished to earth, about 1/3 of the angels decided to follow him, thus they are known as Fallen Angels. Because they are angels, they have high attainment & have found themselves in positions of power & leadership in America and the world, they are the cause of many of the wars, polluting of our air, food & water, manipulations of banking & economies. But , as the Age if Aquarius comes in, many will be judged for good and erased from the Universe to be replaced by beings of Light.
          Much of this is in the BIble, if you know where to look. It is not fable!

      • TML

        OOOOPPert EEEEpert says “Much of this is in the BIble, if you know where to look.”

        It not in the Bible genius… it’s in the book of Enoch that even gives the names of the 200 watchers including “satan” the leader. You should read that sometime so you don’t look stupid regurgitating the Sunday school version of a story.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          If you know anything about the Teachings of the Ascended Masters, you would know we consider the Book of Enoch to be part of the Bible, hence my comment , “if you know where to look”……If you knew anything about the Teachings of the Ascended Masters, you would not be so critical & condescending & judgmental !

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          Another thing: Satan was not the leader, Lucifer was & truth be told, there was angel that rebelled before Lucifer & his name was PESHU ALGA……look it up on internet…SEEK & YE SHALL FIND!!!!!

          AMERICA= ‘I AM RACE”……Children of Israel come home Again!!!

          All prophecies in Bible relate to America, including its imminent fall!!!

      • TML

        I can be critical, condescending,judgmental when you’re information is skewed. Such what you say about Lucifer… which means “light-bringer” btw… not “being of light”… and refers to an actual star at dawn. And if you know the story, the 200 watchers were sent to earth to watch over mankind… they were not banished here. They rebelled against God by teaching men the secrets of the universe, how to make metal, weapons, how to write, etc… ringing a bell now?

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          You are very much in the dark here no pun intended, you are as far from the truth as NYC is from Tibet…..You need to study the Teachings of the Ascended Masters, as through Mark & Elizabeth Prophet from the Summit Lighthouse to get the real truth of the Watchers, Nephilim, Laggards, Mechanization man & their inbred generations, and those who came to rescue the planet (The true story of the Garden of Eden) & got trapped here themselves…to learn about the Fall of Lemuria & Atlantis and how those involved are still wreaking havoc !! You must understand that much that is in the history books,& the spiritual books (including Enoch) has been twisted & perverted by these fallen ones…but, true spritual adepts such Mark & Elizabeth Prophet & a scant few others can read the Akashic Records & thus, get the true story!!!

          Enjoy your holiday!!

      • Karolyn

        OOooopert – Everything in the Bible is a fable.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          I beg to differ my Good Woman…as a matter of fact, most of it is true!!

      • phideaux

        “OOooopert – Everything in the Bible is a fable.”

        What spirits are you drinking today Karolyn Appalation kool aid (shine to the uninitiated)? That comment is so easy to prove wrong it is funny. Pontious Pilot is a historical figure as proven by Roman Records. Many of the cities mentioned in the Bible are proven to exist and some still exist today. The the descendents of Abraham still exist today (Jews and Arabs). The Dead Sea and the Sea of Galile (sp) along with the river Jordan exist. So to make a comment like that (which incidently you stated you NEVER made the other day) is totaly false.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          BRAVO!!! Much of the essence of it is true, but as is human nature, any error & they throw the Baby out with all the bathwater…true, many books have been perverted by the dark forces to keep souls from knowing the truth & dividing us…there’s an old expression, “translators are traitors”….Also, there are many,many spiritual books that are not included the bible that have much truth , too ….like the Writings of the Essenes & the Gospel of Thomas & many others….many of them contain writings on Karma & Reincarnation, which is the key to understanding life….there are still vestiges of that in some books of the Old & New Testament…St. Francis talked about Reincarnation all the time in the public Square…The Fallen Ones tried to purge the bible of it, because they did not want the people to know the truth!

      • JerryWheelerWroteThis

        @OOOOP(S).. “Because they are angels, they are the cause of many of the wars, polluting of our air, food & water, manipulations of banking & economies”

        That’s pretty good how you took all responsibility away from man.. Those darn angels are trouble makers and here we are going about telling everybody, “The devil made me do it”.. Quite laughable if you seriously think about it.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          You make a good point, but we are still responsible because we made the FREE WILL choice to follow them instead of bowing to the Light, so no I do not take man out of the equation at all, if we did not give up our Light to them, they could not have done what they’ve done.

          Take Judge Roberts, he did not follow the path of the Christ, but bowed to the ego, the not-self, the dark forces!! Happens millions of times a day!! The path of the Christ is hard!!

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          Just remember in the Garden of Eden, man & woman had the free will choice not to bow to the darkness, but choose the left-handed path…but the dark forces are very good at imitating the Light…….”surely you will not die” says the serpent!!!

      • Karolyn

        Actually,OOOOpert, I did mis-speak Although stories like Adam and Eve are myth, I do believe a lot of what is said in the Bible. However; I do believe that “standard” translations and interpretations are not necessarily true. No one REALLY knows the truth; and there are many and varied stories and interpretations. It does sound like you’ve done your homework, though.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          Do you really want to know the truth? Check out the “Teachings of the Ascended Masters’, especially the Teachings through Mark & Elizabeth Prophet from the Summit Lighthouse. I’ve searched my whole life for spiritual truth & found it here! We believe there is truth in all the major religions, but it has been twisted & perverted by the dark forces, who love to conquer & divide…..especially the Message of Jesus the Christ has been perverted….He came to show that we all have the same potential as Him…WE ARE ALL SONS & DAUGHTERS OF GOD (Psalm 82.6). It was never meant to let Him do it for us, take away our sins, etc…He also never said many things attributed to him, “like if you don’t follow me, you will burn in Hell forever.”

          The Garden of Eden story is an allegory, but there is a true story behind it. The apple represents a sexual act mankind was not supposed to engage in. But, the souls in the Garden of Eden (that’s right Adam & eve just represented the common man then), were from another planet & had to come to save earth, because mankind had already followed the darkness & descended into the caveman state. Since they were from a purer place they were being trained in the ways of mankind, and were not to engage in those dark ways. As it turns out they fell under the spell of the Devil as well & got trapped here.

      • Karolyn

        OOOOpert – It certainly makes a lot of sense to leavw reincarnation out of the Bible. Hell is the control mechanism; and without it the Church would be afraid of losing it to hold over the heads of the people.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          EXACTLY….the Council Of Nicea is where it happened!!! Your soul is resonating with the truth

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Not only that, OOOOppert, he also duped them into believing, “And ye shall be as God”. Now, we know he lied about, “You shall surely not die”, so can we then safely assume “Ye shall be as God” is also a lie?

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          Of course,….. WE ARE GOD’S ALREADY since we were created by God in the beginning Perfect, (Psalm 82.6)… but we also were endowed with Free Will, which is really not free, since it must be returned to God…as long as one follows the Laws which are written in our hearts, there is no problem…when we choose to go with the human consciousness, the Devil wraps us around poisonous finger.

          DEVIL= “DEIFIED EVIL”

      • Karolyn

        OOOOPP- Thanks for the info. I am signed up with the website and looking forward to research.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          If you have any questions my e-mail is bayburn@hotmail.com…..Feel free to contact me!

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

        One thing I have learned from reading the comments, most don’t have a clue, explains why so many are decieved by the one who has pulled the wool over their eyes, hate God and worship His creation, he is smarter then any that have commented so far? Hope you like the hot climate he is inviting you too, LOL.

      • Eric Jones

        You know unlike a lot of what i have read here that ACTUALLY made sence. your right satanism is an offshoot an alternstive if you will. it all comes down to choice.

      • Peter

        Actually Flashy, Anton La Vey created the church of satan and wrote the satanic ‘bible’.
        It is not an offshoot of Christianity as you seem to suggest. (Forgive me if that assumption is incorrect)
        However, these people certainly do have the right to believe as they wish, it simply astounds me as to why someone would choose to be on a losing team?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I am apt to believe that these self professed Satanist couple removed their own sign and set up the ruckus.

      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        Flashy and
        Six myths about the Bible
        http://www.creationtips.com/6_myths_bible.html
        ..they are not true. 1. Adam and Eve’s only children were two boys, 2. Men have fewer ribs than women.

      • Eric Jones

        And you my freind are intitled to your opion. just like i am intitled to say that while that is a possibility it is more likely that the sign was stolen either by kids as a prank or by crishten prudes. just my opinion though.

    • metalflyer11

      It is a religion of darkness & HATE. It is ironic they are claiming “hate crime” on them when that is what their religion is all about.

      • Eric Jones

        Sanism is a largley misunderstood religion and i can see where you would get the ” darkness and hate ” thing. but if you were to ask a true satanist they would say its about embracing your true self your natural impulses and insticnts. either way the constitution protects it.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          To honor those natural impulses & instincts is to honor the lower-self, not our higher selves…they way of man is death!!!

          • Eric Jones

            The way of man is death? what are you on?

          • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

            The human consciousness leads to death & destruction…the higher self leads to eternal life!!

          • Eric Jones

            If you can PROVE it then be my guest.

          • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

            Open your eyes, it’s proven everyday, billions of times over!!!! They way of the ego, the not-self, is instinct, survival at the expense of others….The way of the Christ is not of this world!!!

            I AM THE WAY, I AM THE TRUTH, I AM THE LIFE

            God told Moses my name is: I AM THAT I AM

          • Eric Jones

            I meant prove the eternal life part.

          • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

            That is a matter of faith……..as Jesus said, “By your faith, you are healed, now go & sin no more” !!!

  • swampfox

    Why worship the biggest loser in the history of the universe?

    • Vigilant

      I’d say that, given the state of affairs in this country, his successes have outnumbered his failures.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

        Amen to that satan is obozo’s father, one of many.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Exactly, Satan got his ass handed to him. You are correct, he is the biggest loser in the universe!

  • Michael J.

    It’s time for a distinction between benevolent religions that teach moral principles and other so called religions who preach hate.

    • Flashy

      So you’d ban Christianity and Islam ? Interesting ….

      • Michael J.

        Flashy,
        Contemporary Christianity is benevolent in it’s teachings, Islam is not. Your attempt to comingle the two is like comparing mourning doves with Florida large mouth lizards.

        Also, your question reveals some potential comprehension issues. Your incorrect association between the words “ban” and “distinction” is indicative of a synapses re-routing. I suggest it might be due to a chemical imbalance. (that would explain alot) Better have that checked.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        You’d have to ban the entire human race. Like guns, religion doesn’t kill people, people kill people. And if you ban guns and religion, the human race will be sure to find something else to fill the void so as to deflect from the true reason for the misery on this planet.; the “Fallen human race”.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

        Flashy, islam and it’s god is satan, true Christians aren’t religious, they have a people with a one on one relationship with their Creator, two different Gods, one small and a loser, the other who kicked the small one out of heaven and then Jesus, God come in the flesh put away sin and death for ever Believer’s live with Him forever. Those who hate Him and worship self or little gods will not like the heat of their home forever.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003406344143 Lupitha

      RE: Coming from the other side of it, It’s always abtoeuslly baffled me why people consider their income to be something so deeply personal that it’s unforgivably rude to ask about it. I’ve seen people who are willing to divulge intimate details about their sexual fetishes or health problems who blanch at the thought of putting their income range on an anonymous survey. What’s the deal? Can anyone explain this to me? Please, I am genuinely puzzled. Maybe it’s just a generational divide.By the by, as people seem to be having difficulty with this whole incomes thing, lemmie help you out a bit. The median household income in King County is $53k year at last I checked.The per capita is $29k.According to wikipedia, for the city of Everett, the median household income is about $40k and the per capita is about $20k.From my admittedly rough calculations that means the 50th percentile of incomes in Everett can afford approximately a maximum of about $200k on a mortgage at todays interest rates. Once again, rough calculations. So you may want to readjust your thinking on what is affordable . You could assert that the 50th percentile has no business owning a home and should rent, as I have seen it not stated but implied on these forums before. In that case, we could bump it up to the 60th or 70th percentile and say that the prices are bang on, but that creates a simple supply and demand problem. If you are arbitrarily reducing the percentage of the population that should be able to afford a home, to say 30% to pick a random percentage, you had better make sure that there are only homes available for 30% of the population and a hell of alot of rental space. Otherwise supply exceeds demand and prices will have to come down. I think it’s important that people get over their (baffling, to me) squeamishness about incomes and start really looking at what kind of money people make around here. Presuming everyone is about like me is foolish.

  • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

    How come when the homosexuals have their Pride Parades, and some dress as Jesus in bondage & Mother Mary in a bikini, those are not hate crimes, but if a grade schoolkid says Homosexuality is wrong & perverse, the HATE CRIME POLICE come rushing in??? As “Vigilant” says above the whole concept of hate crime is ludicrous…but, if it’s on the books, it should be invoked equally& fairly, no??

    • Michael J.

      OOOOPPert EEEEpert ,
      I have a feeling that I am preaching to the choir on this, but if you search: “The Origins of Political Correctness” you will find answers.

      • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

        Yes, you are preaching to choir…my comment was meant to be rhetorical.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

      They they make it a one way street, like their father, satan.

  • Ken

    George Carlin said it best – we have a front row seat to the freak show.

    http://youtu.be/bICwyV5ppLU

  • http://survive2012inachangingworld.blogspot.com/ Morris Downes

    If Satanism is a religion should they get tax exempt status? Yes people have the right to believe what ever they want to but if you believe in something sick and inhuman be prepared to accept the consequences of your belief.

    • Vigilant

      From http://www.religionfacts.com/satanism/index.htm

      “Some are public, while others are private. Public groups are sometimes incorporated as non-profit religious organizations and have tax-exempt status in the United States. This subset of Satanism produces the most literature and is even recognized by the United States military. There are, however, private groups as well that largely operate in secret.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003406361363 Deepak

        Another one for nomToo Much of a Good ThingWhy we need less democracy. Peter Orszag September 14, 2011 2000| 9:46 pmIn an 1814 letetr to John Taylor, John Adams wrote that e2809cthere never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.e2809d That may read today like an overstatement, but it is certainly true that our democracy finds itself facing a deep challenge: During my recent stint in the Obama administration as director of the Office of Management and Budget, it was clear to me that the countrye28099s political polarization was growing worsee28094harming Washingtone28099s ability to do the basic, necessary work of governing. If you need confirmation of this, look no further than the recent debt-limit debacle, which clearly showed that we are becoming two nations governed by a single Congresse28094and that paralyzing gridlock is the result.So what to do? To solve the serious problems facing our country, we need to minimize the harm from legislative inertia by relying more on automatic policies and depoliticized commissions for certain policy decisions. In other words, radical as it sounds, we need to counter the gridlock of our political institutions by making them a bit less democratic.

    • AlternativeThoughts

      The cops pegged it right.. A simple theft. Get off the religious connotations.. satanism is a belief, not a religion.. Religion is an industry like marriage, sanctioned by g’ment (for a price).. A group of people with similar ideals is a belief. All religions are beliefs and there’s nothing special amongst them except what man envisions of this existence. Atheism is a belief.. All sects accuse the other as godless except theirs. Don’t be fooled.. Live your life with honesty toward yourself and others.. Practice morality on a daily basis, follow the golden rule and you will be a better person for it.. Trying to convince others of the rejection of your Christ is not your job.. Like goofing off at work watching others goof off is not your job title.. Our job is to be patient with everyone and help those in need or who come to us and ask. Pray for the (sinners?) and have mercy on their souls but leave their choice to them for you are not the Christ but one of millions. You don’t like my interpretation? Ask me if I care..

  • Homer

    Look: any man or women is free to go to hell if they so desire! You have a choice here, “Come to Jesus Christ and go to heaven forever, or go to Satan and go to Hell, if you want a permant 5th degree sunburn that is your choice! But, I would encourage you to consider this: see history, in general, and look at the fruits of what God Hath done and what satan has done! Your choice, as for me, and my house we will serve “The Lord Jesus Christ” Joshua 24:15 KJV 1 Peter 3:18 KJV

    • Eric Jones

      I would sooner go to hell for the companey then to heaven for the comfort. – Mark Twayne

    • Rebecca

      Amen Homer….well said.

  • Cinci Jew

    Why persecuted? You have a satanic Muslim in the White House who brays to his satanic allah. Islam is a satanic death cult so why are you complaining?

    • Eric Jones

      I would say sothing but seeing your comment im surprised you can type let alone read.

  • http://www.facebook.com/carolyn.shelton.391 Carolyn Shelton

    They may as well just vote for Obama…He seems to be satan’s right hand man, anyway!

    • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

      See my comment above about the Fallen Angels…..I’d bet everything that Obama is a Fallen Angel….they are all about power & control & the One World Government & One Currency is the way to do it!!! They hate FREEDOM, that is why they hate America & what it stands for !!!! Obama has shown this vibration from day one!!!

  • Laura

    http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm
    this document has been part of our congressional record since 1963 – a 45 step plan to destroy our United States. #26 – is to destroy religion.
    Satanism was created and home grown right here in our country by the evil devil worshiping Cabal, the same SOB’s that send our sons and daughters into BS created wars.

  • burner123

    I agree with the people for tearing the sign down, but due to the libs it is violating the freedom clause.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      burner123, as I commented earlier the Satan follower couple probably took down the sign themselves and set up the fuss to draw attention to themselves as in “everybody is picking on them”.
      Would they do something like this? But of course.

    • AlternativeThoughts

      “I agree with the people for tearing the sign down, but due to the libs it is violating the freedom clause”..

      So, what your saying is if somebody doesn’t like what you pin to your door, they have the right to trespass and tear it asunder.. I recall a certain sect (KKK) who joyfully fulfilled that right.. Guess we are reverting back to our cave days. Blame the Libs for what people do or say.. Remove all responsibility from self. Keep up the hate.

  • SJJolly

    A quarter to a third of the electorate thinks the ohter party candidate IS Satan!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002605707912 FreedomFighter

    Some things should not be tolerated, because they are just wrong and bad for society as a whole…

    One of those things is SATANISM

    If a religon was created around DEXTER –showtime, we sure would not let it be practiced anywhere, same with Satanists, they should be rooted out and jailed as a menace to society.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • dufas Magnet

      “Some things should not be tolerated, because they are just wrong and bad for society as a whole”…

      Do you mean like: “Vote for Donald Duck”.. “Anybody but Obama”.. Whether you acknowledge it or not.. Idiotic placards like these are bad for society as well.. But that concerns your ideals so it’s exempt from the bigotry. No free thinking citizen would take these people’s choice to heart and those who would actually vote for an entity is only making the winner lose about five extra votes. It was put up to stir more hate, nothing more.

  • Robert Rashbrooke

    Almost all of religious ranting is just that – bigotry and ranting. How many of you religious types have written your representative about the scandal that is the Bureau of Indian Affairs, whose duplicitous behaviour continues to this day. This is one of the most immoral and egregious crimes committed againt a particular race of peoples, by your government, over a very long time span.

    Ask why we have SO MANY different denominations; almost always because some MAN decided that the existing current rules of the ESTABLISHED religion did not satisfy his personal viewpoint.

    Don’t misunderstand me, I do NOT want any, all, or even some religions banned. Whatever manner people worship their own particular God by, that’s fine by me, and I believe they have the right to do that. What is not acceptable to me is that these people then insist that THEIR belief somehow applies exactly to ME, when there is no way that they would accept ANY dictate from me concerning MY religion, or lack thereof.

    If these Satanist people want to proclaim to the world their strange belief, since it HAS NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on your life, why not just let them continue showing how different and possibly confused they are.

    I remember seeing a news item on a KKK rally in Baltimore, I think it was. The police were worried that violence might erupt, so raised an 8 foot wire link fence round the Town Hall steps where the KKK were to hold the rally. When the rally started there were about 50 – 100 Black people watching, from the other side of the fence. No matter what the speakers said, there was no response from the crowd. The speech got more racial and vitriolic, but still no response. Eventually the KKK packed up and went home.

    Everyone won. The KKK had their rally and espoused their view. The crowd listened but were not (immediately) influenced by the ideology. All went home and no riots occurred. All this goes to show that it is possible for objectionable and contrary viewpoints to be discussed without resorting to violence and disrespect, something religious people should heed.

    • ToeTagTunny

      Robert.. Your first paragraph said it all.. These ‘usurpers’ have no sympathy for a people who were almost eradicated from the face of the earth and those who survived were placed in the closet of forgetfulness.. The Native American wouldn’t want it any other way but that still doesn’t make it right. Even to this day,the only way an indian is recognized as part of America is if he/she renounces their heritage.. One day the white man may be faced with that same reality.. Wonder what they will choose. As far as trying to be fair and logical concerning religion.. You waste your breath but at least you tried.

  • JDN

    Tearing down a sign is vandalism at best , a 450 grain 45-70 slug to the forehead is a true hate crime .

    • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

      All violence is a hate crime…against someone else, yourself & the Light of God! ALL IS ONE!!!

  • http://turingschild.wordpress.com turingschild

    To those satanists: Welcome to the club. Had anyone had the temerity to put up a sign saying to vote for Jesus of Nazareth, the ACLU would have been all OVER them yelling Separation of Church and State!

    • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

      THAT IS A GREAT POINT !!!

  • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

    Lucifer (l`sĭfər) [Lat.,=light-bearing], in Christian tradition a name for Satan Satan [Heb.,=adversary], traditional opponent of God and humanity in Judaism and Christianity. In Scripture and literature the role of the opponent is given many names, such as Apolyon, Beelzebub, Semihazah, Azazel, Belial, and Sammael.
    ….. Click the link for more information. . In the Vulgate, Lucifer served as a translation of the Hebrew epithet meaning “Day Star,” a name associated with the presumptuous King of Babylon in the Book of Isaiah. Some early Christian writers found a parallel in the Gospel of St. Luke, where Jesus refers to Satan falling like lightning from heaven. On this basis they identified Isaiah’s “Day Star” with Satan and concluded that there was scriptural authority for designating him “light-bearer.” In antiquity Lucifer was also the name given Venus as the morning star.Free Dictionary

    • MichaelSee

      I find it amusing that there is a well-known Christian broadcasting network known as the “Day Star Network”. You’d think they’d know better.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003406369932 Adarshanvi

        By :By :25-30% of the work force working for govennemert (local, state, federal)I don’t know how you could have come up with 25-30%, it looks to me like 8% of the workforce is employed by the government.My observations are mostly based on gut feel. But, it’s amazing how 8% of the workforce off the 520 bridge on a government holiday seems to take 50% of the cars off the roadway. I did a few searches myself (of course looking for the highest number and not the lowest) showing in a study by Economist Gary Shilling stating calculated that 58 percent of the population is dependent on the government for major parts of their income, including teachers, soldiers, bureaucrats, and other government employees; welfare and Social Security recipients; government pensioners; public housing beneficiaries; and people who work for government contractors. By 2018, Shilling estimates, an astounding 67 percent of Americans could be dependent on the government for their livelihood .No matter the numbers, people working or depending on goverment is growing and income levels are deflating. Yes, home prices could go up in the long run; but it would be due to hyper-inflation and a loaf of bread would be $10 too.I know predicting home prices going down on a housing blog is not going with the flow. But, parabolic increases in prices whether in gold, stock or housing is usually followed by a parabolic move downward. Just as stock prices cross the 50 and 200 day averages, home prices are due to move down. My guess is prices will move across the 100 year price trend and home prices are truely tied to income levels and not a couple month price bottom or a statement that prices are higher in San Francisco or New York; so Seattle prices will go up to these same levels.My simple logic is as long as incomes levels are going down, the 520 bridge is empty on government holidays, baby boomers are kicking the bucket, my friends have unemployed house guests and I see lots of street camping in cars, vans and broken down Winnebagos; prices are going to continue going down.

  • Neil Swan

    People shouldn’t have signs torn down from their house unless they are against the law.
    Then have the cops tear them down.

    Neil

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

    One thing about it, they will join their little god in a hot climate someday unless they wake up, along with buddist, islamist and others who worship their little gods. I don’t hate these idiots but, pray for them to see the True Light before they pass to judgement. God gets no joy out of the death of the wicked, so if satan is god, how did he get kicked out of heaven once and ready to happen again soon?

    • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

      your comments are proof of the Fallen Ones agenda to divide us & the perversions of Jesus’ teachings….most Buddhist monks are more like Christ than 95% of Christians…..GOD IS ONE !!!! Religion is of man, there souls of Light in all faiths…The Fallen Ones changed the Bible to make it look like there is only ONE WAY & that is Jesus…THAT IS A LIE!!! Think about it logically, there are almost 7 billion souis on this planet, the overwhelming majority are not Christians, but yet, God gives us just one lifetime to break away from our faith, our famlies, etc..& follow Jesus…what about souls in the rainforest who never heard of Christ? Do they go to Hell also?..That is not the kind of God I want to follow!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        OOOOPPERT: Think about it logically, there are almost 7 billion souis on this planet, the overwhelming majority are not Christians, but yet, God gives us just one lifetime to break away from our faith, our famlies, etc..& follow Jesus…what about souls in the rainforest who never heard of Christ? Do they go to Hell also?

        That there exists in the human minds and indeed by natural instinct, some sense of Deity, we hold to be beyond dispute, since God himself, to prevent any man from pretending ignorance, has endued all men with some idea of his Godhead, the memory of which he constantly renews and occasionally enlarges, that all to a man being aware that there is a God, and that he is their Maker, may be condemned by their own conscience when they neither worship him nor consecrate their lives to his service.

        Certainly, if there is any quarter where it may be supposed that God is unknown, the most likely for such an instance to exist is among the dullest tribes farthest removed from civilisation. But, as a heathen tells us, there is no nation so barbarous, no race so brutish, as not to be imbued with the conviction that there is a God.

        Even those who, in other respects, seem to differ least from the lower animals, constantly retain some sense of religion; so thoroughly has this common conviction possessed the mind, so firmly is it stamped on the breasts of all men.

        Since, then, there never has been, from the very first, any quarter of the globe, any city, any household even, without religion, this amounts to a tacit confession, that a sense of Deity is inscribed on every heart.

        Nay, even idolatry is ample evidence of this fact. For we know how reluctant man is to lower himself, in order to set other creatures above him.

        Therefore, when he chooses to worship wood and stone rather than be thought to have no God, it is evident how very strong this impression of a Deity must be; since it is more difficult to obliterate it from the mind of man, than to break down the feelings of his nature,—these certainly being broken down, when, in opposition to his natural haughtiness, he spontaneously humbles himself before the meanest object as an act of reverence to God.

        It is most absurd, therefore, to maintain, as some do, that religion was devised by the cunning and craft of a few individuals, as a means of keeping the body of the people in due subjection, while there was nothing which those very individuals, while teaching others to worship God, less believed than the existence of a God.

        I readily acknowledge, that designing men have introduced a vast number of fictions into religion, with the view of inspiring the populace with reverence or striking them with terror, and thereby rendering them more obsequious; but they never could have succeeded in this, had the minds of men not been previously imbued with that uniform belief in God, from which, as from its seed, the religious propensity springs.

        And it is altogether incredible that those who, in the matter of religion, cunningly imposed on their ruder neighbours, were altogether devoid of a knowledge of God.

        For though in old times there were some, and in the present day not a few are found who deny the being of a God, yet, whether they will or not, they occasionally feel the truth which they are desirous not to know.

        We do not read of any man who broke out into more unbridled and audacious contempt of the Deity than C. Caligula, and yet none showed greater dread when any indication of divine wrath was manifested. Thus, however unwilling, he shook with terror before the God whom he professedly studied to condemn. You may every day see the same thing happening to his modern imitators.

        The most audacious despiser of God is most easily disturbed, trembling at the sound of a falling leaf. How so, unless in vindication of the divine majesty, which smites their consciences the more strongly the more they endeavour to flee from it.

        They all, indeed, look out for hiding-places where they may conceal themselves from the presence of the Lord, and again efface it from their mind; but after all their efforts they remain caught within the net.

        Though the conviction may occasionally seem to vanish for a moment, it immediately returns, and rushes in with new impetuosity, so that any interval of relief from the gnawing of conscience is not unlike the slumber of the intoxicated or the insane, who have no quiet rest in sleep, but are continually haunted with dire horrific dreams.

        Even the wicked themselves, therefore, are an example of the fact that some idea of God always exists in every human mind.

        All men of sound Judgment will therefore hold, that a sense of Deity is indelibly engraven on the human heart. And that this belief is naturally engendered in all, and thoroughly fixed as it were in our very bones, is strikingly attested by the contumacy of the wicked, who, though they struggle furiously, are unable to extricate themselves from the fear of God. -John Calvin–Institutes of the Christian Religion-

        http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes.iii.iv.html

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          Calvin was a fallen Angel who put people to death who did not believe in Jesus!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        OOOOPPERT:what about souls in the rainforest who never heard of Christ?

        After telling His disciples that some of these signs that you’ve just seen, (wars, famines, plagues and earthquakes) were just the “beginning of sorrows,” Jesus went on to foretell a sign that would signify when the actual time of the End had arrived:

        Everybody will have the gospel preached to them one way or another. Jesus/God speaks to people through dreams, visions, angel visitations, and etc. I have heard of many indians that have had dreams of Jesus never having heard the word or preached to them.

        Missionaries of Christ have been all around the world and have preached as far as the Amazon rainforest to the indigenious people. No one will be without excuse!

        “And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; & then shall the End come.” (Matthew 24:14)

        The Christian Almanac for 1990 reports that the Gospel has been preached to over 4 billion people, and Christian churches now exist in all 251 countries of the world.

        Every year about four billion Gospel tracts are distributed around the globe and over 120 million Bibles. The entire Bible, or portions of it, have now been translated into some 2,062 different languages, and is available to around 98 percent of the world’s population.

        The Gospel is also preached from over 2,000 Christian radio and television stations, and religious shows can be seen on many more thousands of secular stations.

        Never in the entire course of history has the Gospel been preached in all the world to all
        nations as it is right now! Every nation on the face of the earth today has heard the Gospel as Jesus prophesied they would before the end comes.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          You are as far from the truth as NYC is from Tibet!!

      • Karolyn

        Amen!

      • Karolyn

        Jay – There are still tribes in the Amazon who have never been approached by civilization. Also, even if they are introduced to the Bible, why should they believe words written by someone from another place and of another culture? If they have their own religion, why should that not suffice? I cannot fathom how Christianity can be the be-all and end-all, and I will never understand it.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          Ghandi had a great quote: “I have no problem with Christ as my personal savior, it’s just that most Christians are not very Christian-Like”…it’s that attitude that our way is the only way & we are saved so we can basically do what we want…..IT’S LUDICROUS!! But, the Fallen Ones set it up this way to pervert the TRUE TEACHINGS OF JESUS.

          Also, If you say to a Christian that you believe in Buddha & follow his teachings & philosophy, they think you are the Devil himself & say , “Buddha does not believe in God”…..But Buddha never said there was NO GOD…and I can guarantee that if one follows the true philosophy of Buddha, that will draw them closer to the Heart Of God that a million sermons by Charles Stanley or Billy Graham!!!!!!

      • Karolyn

        The “Amen” was meant for what OOOOPPeret said.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          I know that Karolyn & you are a very highly evolved soul,methinks!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Karolyn says: Also, even if they are introduced to the Bible, why should they believe words written by someone from another place and of another culture?

        That wasn’t the point, Karolyn. The point being, is that they had the Gospel preached to them. The command was to preach the Gospel, period. Whether it is accepted is another issue, and no, they don’t have to believe, nor accept it, and the Christian has no power over that matter; but the Holy Spirit, only.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          Now, that’s ridiculous…..We have no power to accept or reject? It’s the Holy Spirit that does it? So, there is no free will then?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        OOOOPPert: Calvin was a fallen Angel who put people to death who did not believe in Jesus!

        Now you’re just being ridiculous.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          It’s true, along with his buddy Zwingli…not everything is recorded in the history books…he was a very dark soul!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        OOOOPPert: Also, If you say to a Christian that you believe in Buddha & follow his teachings & philosophy, they think you are the Devil himself & say , “Buddha does not believe in God”…..But Buddha never said there was NO GOD…and I can guarantee that if one follows the true philosophy of Buddha, that will draw them closer to the Heart Of
        God that a million sermons by Charles Stanley or Billy Graham!!!!!!

        You are preaching “Universalism”, OOOOPPert, in like manner of the recent deceased Pope. You and he, of course, are entitled to your opinions.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          and so are you entitled to your opinions….There is no one road to God, one road that leads us back to the Perfection we had in our first embodiment on earth!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        OOOOPPert: It’s true, along with his buddy Zwingli…not everything is recorded in the history books…he was a very dark soul!

        Who isn’t a dark soul, OOOOPPert, you?

        All Have Sinned And Fall Short Of The Glory Of God? [Romans 3:23.]

        There is none righteous, no, not one;
        There is none who understands;
        There is none who seeks after God.

        Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

        But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.

        For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

        For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

        Btw, OOOOPPert, your statement; There is no one road to God, one road that leads us back to the Perfection we had in our first embodiment on earth!, is not, the Gospel of Christ, but the gospel of the “new age” religion, a religion of old, a religion first offered to Adam and Eve, a religion/lie, which was the cause of their undoing. You’ve been flushed-out, OOOOPPert, you serpent.

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          The dark souls are the purely evil ones, not the Sons & Daughters of God…you ned to read the Book of Enoch…..The purely evil ones come as of Light like Calvin..

          wise men of all faiths have known about the coming Age Of Aquarius, but the fallen ones made sure the fundamentalist Christians like yourself would deny the stars & the Light that comes from them!!

          Pray for your enlightenment & to be cut free from the False Hierarchy & their False teachings that saturates much of your sacred Bible. There are many books full of spiritual truth in all faiths, why deny yourself?

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          Even Jesus knew about the coming new age…when he said, “I AM with even unto the end of the AGE”, he was talking about the Age of Pisces of which he was the Hierarch to earth, Saint Germain is the Hierarch of Aquarius….google him & learn about what is going on right now….

          SEEK & YE SHALL FIND!!!

  • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

    http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/biblemythology.htm
    IF THE BIBLE IS MYTHOLOGY DOES THAT MEAN IT IS NOT TRUE ? …. All of the stories in the Bible being mythology have a principle just as do The Lone …

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      The Validity of the Bible and Christianity.

      http://www.creatingfutures.net/evidence.html

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay
      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        Wrong Jay,
        http://www.usbible.com/Creation/creation_myths.htm
        To show a common scholarly awareness of the Bible’s mythological legacy, I quote from Encarta encyclopedia … The constellation Ophiuchus in Greek means Snake Bearer. … Out of this union were born many evil deities whose main purpose was to create conflict, confusion, friction and strife …. He wasn’t an actual person

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Biblical Archaeology: Factual Evidence to Support the Historicity of the Bible.

      http://www.equip.org/articles/biblical-archaeology-factual-evidence-to-support-the-historicity-of-the-bible/

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003406368433 Paulo

        By :RE: RE: Duh, the stimulus wkored. You guys are a few tools short of a full shed. Look at it this way- let’s say I make $75,000 a year (year 1) as a janitor at city hall and I spend every penny of it. Then the budget crunch (recession) comes along and my hours get cut to 35 hour a week ($65,000/yr) from 40. It’s my own personal recession! But lucky for me stupid banker china-guy comes along and lends me $25,000 dollars! So in year 2 my spendable income as a practical matter is $90,000!!! And what do I do? I spend it! Like Obama, I give all my friends treats like dinner out (bail-outs), free golf, and we all stay in the cabin I rent at the lake for two weeks. Spending is up! GDP is up! Many jobs at the restaurants and golf course have been added or saved because of my good stimulus fortune and stupid banker’s lack of math skills. Yup, this stimulus is a success!Now what happens in year 3? China-guy won’t lend me another $25 large because I really only make $65,000 a year as a janitor in city hall. Since I won’t be going back to the golf course, cabin, or fancy restaurants those jobs that were added or saved are now gone again, perhaps for good. Because you see, now I have to make at least the interest payments on the $25,000 I borrowed, so my real spendable income has actually gone down. What???!! Yup, interest doesn’t get me anything in terms of lifestyle, but it does make chinese-guy happy- until I stop paying. . . But that’s another story. Is the light starting to go on for any of you stimulus nuts, or is this a lost cause?you really don’t know how stimulus works. the stimulus wkored. deal with it. the CBO study shows it. so does the moody’s study put out by former mccain economic advisor mark zandi. Now what happens in year 3? China-guy won’t lend me another $25 large because I really only make $65,000 a year as a janitor in city hall. beacause you spent the earlier money you don’t need to borrow another 25k because you jump-started the economy. but your analogy doesn’t really work because a person doesn’t get the benefit of higher revenues like a government does.stimulus=higher revenue=lower debt.

  • swampfox

    If they feel persicuted now,Wait till they are casted into hell,
    They ain’t experianced nothing yet!

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    THE SATANIC COUPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE THE SIGN. IT IS THEIR HOUSE. THEY PAY THE BILLS THERE; NOSY NEIGHBORS NEED TO STAY OUT OF OTHERS BUSINESS. IF YOU SUPPORT CHRISTIANITY, FINE. SATANISM IS A RELIGION, TOO. I BELIEVE IN FREEDOM OF THOUGHT.

    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

  • Deerinwater

    Well???? ~ ????

    If we attempt to humanize God, why not Satan as well ~ Right?

    I wish everyone would just get “IT” ~ I don’t real care how , just “Get it”

    But this humanizing of God & the devil creates it’s own unique set of problems that are impossible to over-come and I’m not bright enough to help you with it anymore then I might help you digest the food that you eat.

  • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

    President George Washington – “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” (Treaty Of Tripoli, 1796)

    President John Adams – “Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?”

    President Thomas Jefferson – “History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.”

    President Thomas Jefferson – “The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.”

    President Thomas Jefferson – “Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.”

    • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

      They were enlightened men, because they knew that to force anyone to believe in God, or to force someone to practice a certain religion, or pray a certain way, etc, was in itself Satanic…What their personal beliefs about religions ,etc..is not relevant.

      Truth be told, most Founders were very spiritual men, many were Freemasons ,which was in its inception, going back to Abraham a very spiritual path (of course like many spiritual practices it was corrupted over the centuries)….Being religious does not necessarily mean one is spiritual.

      Jefferson’s University of Virginia was the first school not to be affiliated with a religion.

      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        OOOOPPert EEEEpert
        Thomas Jefferson – “Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.”

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          I believe he’s not talking about the teachings of Jesus, (although perverted, still are full of much Light), but the geo- political power & abuse of the Churches

      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        OOOOPPert EEEEpert

        As an evangelical Christian and ordained minister, I have to say that I doubt any of these men could hold public office today. Despite the constitutional prohibition, we have created a religious test for national offices. It’s sad, really, because not one politician we have today — not a single one — even begins to rise to the stature of the men listed below. Personally, as a Christian, I’d rather have a man who will use his head and act with tempered judgment in office than one who loudly proclaims the greatness of his faith and his position with God but who acts in secret. That’s just too much like the Pharisees for my taste, and ultimately when you turn personal faith into statutory edict that is exactly what you get: Phariseeism.
        A quote on the fonding fathers:A ordained Minister. Religious Blog

        • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

          But, we’ve come to a point where if you mention God in the Public Square you are looked at as crazy or radical…I have no problem with pols saying that their faith informs their choices….Remember when Obama come out in favor of homosexual marriage (after his famous years long “evolution” was over) & Romney was so cautious in saying he was against it, but not because of his faith..he disappointed me then!!! You’ll never win that argument if you admit it is a social issue & not a spiritual one!

          Truth is the Founders did not look down on talking about their faith & beliefs during campaigns…but, I agree with you, , the pious & sanctimonious are quite troubling…but that is where the electorate needs discernment., to ferret out the phonies. But, hey they need discernment as well when racist socialists, who are good friends with unrepentant domestic terrorists are running for president, too!

  • King-of -the – Road

    If they have a Tough S-hit card let me know and I’ll punch it for them.

  • MichaelSee

    There is a lot of religious rhetoric being thrown around, but I think that we’re off-base a little. Hanging that sign I think was a little like someone hanging a “Stars and Bars” Confederate flag on their front porch. Ripping that flag down wouldn’t be considered as a Hate Crime because it’s considered to be the same as “fighting words” shouted in a bar. It’s an incitement to violence. The Supreme Court has already ruled on the matter, like it or not.

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