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President Clinton And Tea Party Terrorists

May 3, 2010 by  

President Clinton And Tea Party Terrorists

Just who are the real terrorists?

For more than a year Democrats and their mainstream media lapdogs have sought to portray Tea partiers as everything from ignoramuses to racist skinheads to gun-wielding, Bible-toting terrorists.

Now former President Bill Clinton has taken it up a notch, likening them to Oklahoma City bombing suspect Timothy McVeigh.

Leading up to the April 19th Anniversary of the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Clinton was back to playing a game he played 15 years before; blaming conservatives and talk radio for the actions of the admitted bomber, Timothy McVeigh.

And he did it under the guise of a warning: that angry, anti-government rhetoric coming from some conservatives, talk radio and Tea partiers could potentially spark another such incident.

But again; exactly who are the terrorists?

A strong case could be made that the Clinton White House was, in fact, a terror organization. Remember Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and the Randy Weaver family?

Weaver moved his family to northern Idaho to escape what he saw as a corrupted world. The family built a cabin and began home schooling their children. He appeared on the radar of Federal law enforcement agencies after a neighbor with whom he had a land dispute wrote letters to the Federal government and local law enforcement saying that Weaver had threatened the kill the Pope and President Ronald Reagan in the mid-1980s.

For the next several years agents from The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) sought to either entrap him or get him to work as an informant and infiltrate local militia groups. They finally entrapped him—as an Idaho jury found—when they bought shotguns from him then sawed them off below the legal limit and accused Weaver of selling illegal weapons. He was indicted in December 1990.

The Federal Court system then went to work on Weaver’s case and he was cited for failure to appear in court when he missed a court date that didn’t match the one on a letter sent to him and his court-appointed attorney (an attorney Weaver had no communication with).

Because Weaver was a former green beret who lived in an isolated area and sought to escape an oppressive Federal government that had for several years sought to entrap him, Weaver was considered a terrorist threat by the Clinton Justice Department (sound familiar?).

So United States Marshals dressed in camouflage and equipped with night vision goggles and M16 rifles surrounded his cabin and began to search for a place to ambush and arrest him.

One of the marshals threw rocks against the cabin walls to test the reaction of the Weaver’s dogs. When the dogs began barking Weaver’s 14-year-old son Sammie and family friend Kevin Harris came outside to investigate. They followed the dog to see what had him upset.

Marshal Art Roderick shot the dog. Sammie cursed Roderick then shot at him. Marshal Bill Degan came out of the woods shooting and hit Sammie in the arm. Harris fired back, shooting Degan in the chest. A third Marshal, Larry Cooper, exchanged gunfire with Harris and Sammie was shot in the back and killed.

The next day members of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) hostage rescue team were deployed with the green light to shoot on sight. Agent Lon Horiuchi took the order to heart. When Weaver went to a shed where his dead son lay, Horiuchi shot him in the back. Horiuchi then shot Weaver’s wife Vicki in the head as she stood inside her cabin holding her 10-month-old baby.

At about the same time the ATF was seeking to make a firearms case against the leader of a religious cult called the Branch Davidians outside of Waco, Texas.

On Feb. 28, 1993, ATF agents swarmed the Davidian’s compound, arriving in cattle trailers pulled by the personal vehicles of ATF agents. When Davidian leader David Koresh saw them—he had already been tipped off they were coming—he went outside to ask what they wanted. Shots were fired and Koresh was wounded and his father-in-law and another Davidian were killed.

During the ensuing shootout four ATF agents and four more Davidians died. The ATF then began a siege that lasted 50 days. It finally ended when the ATF used tanks to puncture holes in the walls and gas the inhabitants. The FBI fired military rounds into the compound and Texas Rangers fired tear gas rounds into the buildings. The buildings caught fire and 75 people died in the inferno.

According to McVeigh’s testimony, the Federal government’s attacks on the Weaver family and the Branch Davidians—plus other violent raids by Federal agents—were the events that triggered him to blow up the Murrah building on April 19, 1995.

Of course the government’s official line and the one readily accepted and regurgitated by the lamestream media is that McVeigh and Terry Nichols were solely responsible for the bombing. McVeigh was executed and Nichols is serving a life sentence for conspiracy and manslaughter.

But there is much about the official story that fails the smell test. In fact, there are so many discrepancies between the official story and the facts that have since surfaced that they can’t all be covered—but here are some highlights:

  • There’s John Doe #2, the second suspect described by witnesses as being in McVeigh’s company in the days leading up to the bombing—including accompanying McVeigh when he rented the Ryder truck. Soon after McVeigh’s arrest, Federal agents quashed the search for John Doe #2. Oklahoma reporter Jayna Davis, who covered the story for an Oklahoma television station and has written a book about it, has appeared on news programs saying her investigation revealed that there was indeed a John Doe #2 and he was Hussain Al-Hussaini, an Iraqi and a member of Saddam Hussein’s Republican Guard. She also uncovered ties Nichols had to the first World Trade Center bomber, Ramzi Yousef, and Yousef’s ties to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.
  • There is the testimony of witnesses plus audio evidence of multiple explosions at the Murrah building, not just one from the Ryder truck. Also, explosives experts have said that the truck bomb alone would not have brought down the building in the manner that it came down; that explosive charges planted inside the building would have had to have been used.
  • There are reports from survivors of the blast who say they saw McVeigh inside the building in the days before the bombing meeting with Federal agents. One survivor, Jane Graham, has said there were many unusual people in the building—some carrying building plans—in the days prior to the bombing. She has also said she recognized two men caught on camera leaving the building and talking on walkie-talkies in the bombing’s aftermath that she had seen previously inside the building wearing General Service Administration (GSA) uniforms.
  • Davis, Graham and others who say they have information relevant to the investigation claim they were repeatedly rebuffed, if not treated in a hostile manner, when they tried to present that information to Federal agents.

In other words; there is evidence of possible complicity in the bombing by agents of the U.S. government and there certainly has been a suppression of the truth.

Byron York of The Washington Examiner wrote a column April 18, 2010, about Clinton’s remarks. In it he said that Clinton, aided by his pollster and advisor Dick Morris, exploited the bombing to make a political comeback at one of the lowest points of his presidency to that time. He said that Clinton was in deep political trouble and polls showed the public viewed him as weak, incompetent and ineffective.

“Morris began polling about Oklahoma City almost immediately after the bombing.  On April 23, four days after the attack, Clinton appeared to point the finger straight at his political opponents during a speech in Minneapolis.  ‘We hear so many loud and angry voices in America today whose sole goal seems to be to try to keep some people as paranoid as possible and the rest of us all torn up and upset with each other,’ he said.  ‘They spread hate. They leave the impression that, by their very words, that violence is acceptable,’ wrote York.

The question is: Did Clinton simply exploit an opportunity to deflect attention away from himself and try to score points against a growing conservative tide, or was something more sinister involved?

Regardless, whether it’s Clinton, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, liberal media pundits, left-wing talking-point regurgitators or unthinking sheeple who are constantly calling Tea partiers terrorists; that doesn’t make it so.

Tea party participants are normal, everyday Americans concerned about the course of their government. They are not terrorists seeking a building to blow up. There have been no instances of violence during Tea party rallies. In fact, Tea partiers even clean up their messes before leaving their rally locations.

Exercising a right guaranteed by the First Amendment to speak freely, assemble peaceably and petition the Government for a redress of grievances does not make one a terrorist. It is a uniquely American experience.

Maybe Clinton should think a little harder about who the terrorists might be.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Right Wing

    When the slickest tongue in Washington who apparently had enough free time to chase intern tail…in the Whitehouse…underscores the tea party movement as a potential terrorist breading ground then all I can say is the Tea Party has gained significant momentum. Demonization from the highest ranks of the power abusing elite should only embolden the Americans that demand reform and political restructuring in this country.

    Considering that there have been no violent events associated with Tea Partiers, it can only make you wonder why politicians feel so threatened as to make a public statement aimed at forecasting a fearful event? Tea Party members carry a mission that is clear: reform. The message is not destroy the infidel or some other crazy religious belief. It involves only the desire to preserve the freedoms that were won by the blood and sacrifice of our American military and supporting families right here at home. We want what they stood up for. Never again to be ruled by a tyrannical government. While the likeness harkens back to framers grabbing pitchforks and whatever crude weapons they might make use of, we have a much simpler, more effective tool…the ballot box. It is the most powerful tool our founding fathers left for us and if we fail to use it when needed then it is only the will of the American majority.

    • American Liberal

      Rightwing… The tea baggers are a small rightwing fringe group…they couldn’t get more than a few thousand to dhow up at the Washington Mall… And all the ” founding Father talk” is getting a little silly…. America has indoor toilets now…Timothy Mcveigh might be Heros to you but most of America see him as nothing more than what he was…a crazy rightwing radical that’s roasting in hell now..

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Tim McVeigh was a rotten excuse for a human being for doing what he did. And those rotten people that ran the government and did the things they did to drive him to this, are rotten excuses for human beings also. The Tea Party folks do stand for a strong America where we once again value the constitution, and value our freedoms that many before us fought for, and gave their lives for. The liberal think tank wants to forsake and throw away all that is right and decent, and if you cant see that, then you sir are part of the problem. You cannot empower the enemy, punish your own military to attempt to appease them, and even think that you can sit down and talk sense to them. That is insanity at the least. You cannot go around to your enemies and apologize to them for fighting back after all the times they have kicked us in the teeth and killed so many innocent people, just because they are Americans. They want us dead, and will fight until they are dead to make us dead. Will the liberals ever understand that? Are you all really that pompous and arrogant that you think your words can change them? If so, you are mistaken. Only God’s word can change them, and since they do not know or accept Jesus Christ, they dont have God’s word, so that isnt going to happen any time soon.

        • Norma

          You go guy!Tell it like it is .At least you can make sense ,which is more than I can say for some of the morons that have answered you.Hang in there and keep up the good work.I look forward to your comments on every news letter.GO! GO! GO!

          • William Lord

            Consistent with the view that Clinton and Federal agents were complicit in the bombing of the Oklahoma Federal Building how can you possibly overlook the notion that Obama caused to Gulf Stream disaster to discredit conservatives and their patriotic values of non-regulation or oversight of private economic gain which has seved the country so well in recent months? After all, elections ae coming and the blame has to be laid somewhere.

          • Dan2

            Blame the oil well spills on the Tea party, or was it the NORTH KOREANS?

            See this article; http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm

          • denniso

            I saw the Clinton interview…all he was saying is that responsible people and politicians need to watch what they say and what words they use in our political fights. Words and tone can lead to actual violence, as it did w/ McVeigh in Clinton’s term.
            Clinton didn’t attack the general members of the ‘tea party’,he suggested that leaders, mainstream politicians like Bachmann and Palin,and talk show zealots like Limbaugh tone down the use of violent
            language and imagery.

            Is there anyone out there who doesn’t know by now that we have a history of violence and assassinations and a small percentage of wackos who are willing to engage in violence? And that those people can be encouraged by inflamatory languague.

            Bob Livingston says that the Clinton administration could be called a terror organisation…really? So what would that make the Cheny administration? A global terror administration??

          • laura

            denniso-it’s funny I’ve never heard Palin,Bachmann or Limbaugh,tell people to get violent, fight for their freedom,yes, but hurt other people physically never. I also heard Clinton in an interview recently, he said that the Tea Partiers where like Timothy McVeighs.
            Clinton is a dirty rotten liar, kinda like you.

            GOD BLESS AMERICA

            and I’m not calling you names that aren’t true BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!

          • Right Wing

            denniso, your interpretation of what Bill Clinton “meant” by what he “said” does not lend much credence to your perception of logic. Bill looked America square in the eye and lied through his teeth so well that people just loved him. Maybe you are still enamored by his slippery rhetoric but the fact that he even addressed the issue of violence and included a reference to the tea party is clearly politically motivated. One question for you…want to buy some prime real estate in Gulf Shores?

          • SiliconDoc

            I guess Denniso never read the article and hasn’t a single clue about what his crotch rot leader informed him of concerning McViegh.
            Denniso, the blatantly brain dead lib describing what Clinton meant and what “proves” it to a braindead liberal idiot:
            ” . Words and tone can lead to actual violence, as it did w/ McVeigh in Clinton’s term. ”
            Now, Denniso, I’m sure you’re a fine person in between the drooling idiocy and pradva tinfoil skullcap you’ve glued to your noggin with the big fat words IDIOT and LIBERAL FOOL scrawled onto it… so would it be too difficult for you to admit that the ARTICLE and the YEARS of Timothy McVeigh reporting pointed out that it wasn’t WORDS that incited McVeigh, but the WACO government run MASSACRE and the same thing at Ruby Ridge, as well as other RAIDS the gov carried out ?
            See, Denniso, IT’S NOT JUST WORDS IT’S MUCH, MUCH WORSE THAN THAT !
            Of course for a ridiculously STUPID liberal idiot and liar, it’s so easy to excuse slick willie, and claim now, everyone has to smile and kiss Obama’s butt by implication, because “their words” “drove McVeigh”, and “NOT WACO” AND “NOT RUBY RIDGE” AND “NOT DOZENS OF OTHER GOVERNMENT RAID ATROCITIES” that aren’t as famous in the news.
            Right Denniso… it’s always bad words… that’s what does it…

            What I want to know is, how is it even POSSIBLE that someone is as stupid as you have been Denniso ?
            How is it even possible ?

          • denniso

            Silicone head…what can I say in response to your finely worded and very thoughtful description of me, but thanks. You sound SO intelligent yourself.

          • eyeswideopen

            Laura, darling, Bachman, stated she wanted her states residents, “to be armed and dangerous”. You need to check your facts.

        • mark

          Beberoni is very nut we speak of, gettin ready to crack!

          • DaveH

            Typical Liberal. Substanceless comment and a personal attack.

          • http://yahoo Nick

            I agree. White liberals most often react like fifth graders when they speak and most of what comes out of their mouths is pure rubbish with no substance and is full of personal insults.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            If speaking the truth, makes me a nut in your mind, them I am truly just plain nuts, because every word I spoke was the truth, and buddy let me tell you what. The truth is so refreshing. It will set you free. Its liberating. You should try it sometime, you just might like it.

          • rjg

            Ya about Randy Weaver
            You forgot to mention he addmitted attending 3-5 neo nazi rallies (known terrorists), attended family gatherings with same said neo nazi’s, repeatedly used the term ZOG in letters to the government and then sold a sawed off shotgun to someone he thought was a fellow neo nazi. What would your take on this be if it had been someone selling guns to Al-Qaeda. The FBI/ATF made mistakes but Randy Weaver is not an innocent man.

          • JeffH

            rjg, if you had your facts straight and were telling the truth, I might believe you. Perhaps you feel that that Randy Weaver was a racist copkiller who got what he deserved. In either case, I’d recommend you start first with some of the background material that others have written.

            http://www.ruby-ridge.com/gspence2.htm

            Perhaps by now we have forgotten by Randy Weaver wouldn’t come down to be arrested in the first place. He was not a criminal. He had never even collected a speeding ticket during his lifetime. He had been honorably discharged from the Army, collecting a number of meritorious citations. But he had principles, old-fashioned principles, like a belief that a man becomes what he does, which, of course, made it quite impossible for him to become a snitch for the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents.

            We still remember that an agent for the ATF, for our government, had talked this thoroughly peaceloving man into sawing off a shotgun for money, and, once having talked him into it, the ATF sprung their infamous trap, following which the agents demanded that Randy snitch for them, or else they would charge him with the gun violation and send him to prison. Predictably, Randy told them to go to hell, that he was not going to become a snitch by snitching, a liar by lying, and he was not going to become one who betrays those who trust him by betraying those who trust him. he would not. And it was after that the ATF had set out to arrest him and to bring him down from Ruby Ridge.

            “Don’t call Randy Weaver paranoid. His worst fears about the government have already come true.” Jonathan Karl

            “It’s dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.” Voltaire

            “When federal officers violate the Constitution, either through malice or excessive zeal, they can be held accountable for violating the state’s criminal laws . . . . A group of FBI agents formulated rules of engagement that permitted their colleagues to hide in the bushes and gun down men who posed no immediate threat. Such wartime rules are patently unconstitutional for a police action.” Judge Alex Kozinski writing in the majority opinion for the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

            “You’ve got a right not to be shot for nothing, you know . . . . If there are no restraints on law enforcement, then rather than the rule of law we have the rule of the gun . . . . The police can shoot you, period. That’s it.” Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, who had argued the appeal on behalf of Boundary County

            Is Janet Reno To Blame for Ruby Ridge?

            By now anyone with access to a TV has seen yesterday morning’s appalling images of federal INS agents trashing a Miami home (“smash & grab seizure”) to “rescue” 6-year old Elian Gonzales. Just as Randy Weaver likely would have surrendered if the local sheriff had knocked on his door and David Koresh could have been picked as he was out jogging, federal agents could have patiently waited for a more opportune moment to effect a far less dramatic (not to mention traumatic) transfer.

            And why was the driver wearing a mask?

          • rjg

            Hi JeffH

            With all due respect you need to check your facts. My facts were taken straight from the video footage of the enquiry after the incident and not some paranoid conspiracty nonsense. Nothing I said is controversial he has admitted to all of it (don’t take my word for it watch the inquiry). He admitted to attending neo nazi rallies. He admitted to using the term ZOG. It is a fact that he sold a sawed off shot gun to an undercover agent posing as a neo nazi. No one can force you to commit a crime. A sawed off shotgun has one purpose and in the hands of a neo nazi it is very dangerous weapon. He has been accused of more which he denies and which I am not qualified to judge so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

            His wife and son (nor Randy Weaver) did not deserve to die for these crimes.

            However Randy and Vickie’s actions put them on the radar screen of the authorities and for very good reason. The authorites made mistakes for which they should be held accountable. Randy also needs to take responsibility for his part in this incident.

            Furthermore You post an awful lot during the day. Don’t you work?

          • JeffH

            rjg, you’ve posted nothing of merit at all. I have followed the Ruby Ridge incident since the very beggining. I haven’t watched the “video” accounts you have referanced. I know the credability of my links. Can you say the same? The government commited murder, nothing less. Does he government have the right to kill American citizens based on their beliefs. Judging by your comments, Weaver deserved to be set up by entrapement by the ATF and then killed. I understand where you are coming from and what you believe, but I don’t think the government has the right to entrap you and then murder you.
            What does my posting so much have to do with anything? OOPS! I forgot, you’re a liberal so everything someone else does must become YOUR business!

          • JeffH

            rjg, make up your mind. You said ” It is a fact that he sold a sawed off shot gun to an undercover agent posing as a neo nazi. No one can force you to commit a crime. A sawed off shotgun has one purpose and in the hands of a neo nazi it is very dangerous weapon. He has been accused of more which he denies and which I am not qualified to judge so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.”

            1. Weaver never sold illegal sawed off shotguns to anybody…that is a fact!
            2. What purpose does a sawed off shotgun have?
            3. Using the term ZOG becomes a death sentance. Do you even
            understand what ZOG means?
            4. He was only a neo-Nazi in your mind. But I guess you are the
            judge, jury and executioner in the Weaver/Ruby Ridge murders
            5. How much did the government have to pay Randy Weaver for killing
            his fmily?

            During the trial, the prosecution called 56 witnesses, while the defense, confident that the government would destroy their own case, called none. The entire ordeal was bizarre to say the least and almost everyone of the prosecution’s witnesses contradicted or countered the testimony of a previous witness. The prosecution spent several days going over the Weavers’ religious views, trying to establish that they were racist and had a long-lived conspiracy to violently confront the government. Marshall service witnesses described pre-siege scenarios to root Weaver out of his cabin, however when pressed by the defense, they said they never considered simply knocking on the door and arresting him. In addition, government agents admitted that the FBI had tampered with evidence and that the crime scene photos given to the defense were phony reenactments. Even though the prosecutor knew this, he had failed to inform the defense and it was only during the trial that these facts came to light. For prosecutorial misconduct, the judge ordered the government to pay part of the defense attorneys’ fees — an action almost unheard of in a criminal case. Prosecutor Ron Howen was also was forced to apologize in open court.

            The defense countered the prosecution’s conspiracy arguments by stating that the Weaver family had moved to northern Idaho in 1983 to practice their religion in peace. They wanted to be left alone. It was then alleged that Randy had been set up on the weapons’ charge and that federal agents sought to arrest him when he refused to become an informant. The resulting failure- to-appear charges were then brought because Randy Weaver was given an incorrect court date and then indicted before that date. The defense continued by arguing that the shootout was a direct result of federal agent Arthur Roderick’s actions, in which he killed the Weaver family dog in proximity to Samuel Weaver, which caused Samuel to return fire in self-defense. Finally, the defense claimed that Vicki Weaver was murdered in cold blood by FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi.

            While Randy Weaver was also found not guilty of any federal felony counts, the jury did find him guilty of failing to appear in court and guilty of violating his bail conditions. Randy was then sentenced to 18 months in jail, 14 of which he had already served and fined him $10,000.

            Following his release from jail, Randy Weaver flew back to Iowa with his children and filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the government for the killing of Samuel and Vicki Weaver. In an out-of-court settlement, Randy was given $100,000 and his daughters were granted $1 million apiece. “The government got caught with its pants down,” Randy stated after the settlement. “They broke a whole bunch of serious laws, they were totally embarrassed, and they settled our lawsuit out of court because they didn’t want a lot of questions asked. This became a personal vendetta with the government when I laughed in the face of the agent who offered to drop my charges if I became an informant. They admitted in court that crime is about as serious as a traffic violation.”

            http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/cops_others/randy_weaver/1.html

          • rjg

            Hi Jeff

            The amount of posting matters because i think you need to take a step back to get some perspective. If you spend all day reading about conspiracies it is going to affect your reality. I know you meant “liberal” as a derogatory term and you know what it doesn’t hurt my feelings. I have an eduction, a career, a family, I contribute to society just as much as you and like you I am entitled to my opinions. I don’t need your approval.

            If you are hearing what I am saying for the first time then your sources are not at all credible. Everything I have said came straight from the 1995 inquiry and is nothing Randy Weaver hasn’t admitted under oath.

            Watch it for yourself:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toJyjHmld5g&feature=related

            I have never excused the Authorities for what they did. If you don’t think Randy has any responsibility in this I guess there is nothing I can say to you other than this is something we will have to disagree on.

            Good Day

          • JeffH

            rjg, it only matters to you obviously. I really don’t care either way.
            Oh, we will disagree on this. The video was a senate subcomitee hearing about the governments coverup of their wrongdoings. My previous post is ver-batem of all of the findings.
            You’ve chosen to play judge, jury and executioner over Weaver. He was never found guilty for selling two sawed off shotguns!

            I will agree to disagree. That’s my final answer.

            Have a good day!

        • Victor

          What are we supposed to do with our enemies, while they come to know Jesus? Iam not a political party affiliate, nor I’m trying to be sarcastic; but again, what are we to do with people like Ahmadinejah? We can’t bomb his country and kill more innocent people and obviously the sanctions are not working and if we isolate him he will be like a dangerous animal growing without supervision just like what we did with the little North Korean monster. What’s the answer to this?

          • Paul

            As far as I am concerned iran and it’a leaders need to be punished for what they have done. Whats next them getting the bomb we all know what will happen then how many people will have to die before it’s to late. I say it’s to late now, the iranians have made threats to destroy one of our aircraft carriers what do you think this mad muslem we have for a prez will do? I’ll tell what he will do not a damn thing because he wants this country pushed down the drain. We need to get this prez out of office and we can use the constitution to do it. There are articals in for just that reason and to remove a president that is causine more damage to the country by his actions.

            I say lets impeach the lot of them that are in DC and put them all in jail, then we can start with a clean slate and restart the government with all new people including the prez.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I dont know Victor. I mean, anymore, these nations that want to cause trouble and attack us, all hide amongst a people that dont all feel that way, and make it difficult to fight them, because they have no value for life, and have to qualms about hiding in innocent peoples houses, and so called houses of worship. The more I think about it, it seems that in the long run, as much as I hate war and killing, and having seen the result of the peace that insued afterwards, its looking like we need to do a Hiroshima or Nagasaki on them. It seems this is the only language they understand, and though many innocent lives were lost in Japan when this happened, millions more were saved in the long run. But the worst thing we can do is to sit back and do nothing. I may be wrong in my approach, but we are going to have to do something sooner or later, and it doesnt make much sense to have out guys walk down the streets over there in harms way, with the enemy hiding in each and every doorway. I just dont know.

          • denniso

            Beberoni…if you ‘just don’t know’, then why would you show your imbecilic side by suggesting a nuclear attack on ‘our enemies’???
            You remind me of an old friend of mine back in the 60′s who thought we should drop the bomb on Vietnam…asinine and ridiculous remark. Try thinking before you spout such nonsense…

        • Mick

          “The government that drove him to it.” Hmm sounds like Osama bin Laden’s excuse for why he bombed the Trade Center. Constitution, ever read it? Sit down sometime and see if their is anything in it saying either the right or left is more American. There isn’t. I served this country for 20 plus years all over the world and my opinion is no more American than those who never served. We are all American and so is Slick Willy. The truth is that there all kinds of terrorists in this world. Some are home grown some are foreign. All are evil souls that we all need to guard against.

          • denniso

            Good comment, and thanks for serving. It is amazing that some of the most obnoxious people can’t accept that we’re all Americans and they keep repeating the tired, old cliche…American, love it or leave it.
            As though we don’t all have the right and duty to try and improve the country.

          • Right Wing

            Denniso…don’t go away mad!…just go away. The reason Americans iterate that mantra is because liberal socialists THINK they can improve the country when all they want is for permanent change where the government assumes control and equalizes the economy. In other words, lazy people get to benefit from the hard work of others. You should really just go to another country where socialism is thriving. I recommend France because if you get tired for American company you could visit one of several cemeteries where American Soldiers rest after giving their lives to help the french maintain freedom. The french too are an ungrateful bunch and I am sure you would be welcome.

        • Claire

          Beberoni–Regardless whether or not the government “drove” McVeigh to commit this horrible act, this is still no excuse for what he did. The thing that bothers me is that there are plenty of people out there just like him. Short fuse, and mentally unstable, and people like this go off half-cocked thinking they are doing something great for America or whatever and all they accomplish is death and destruction. Nothing more than the killing of innocent people. Where is the rationality in that?

        • Rog.popaspepprsnatur;ly

          I CANNOT RECALL THE HISTORY CHANNELS, OR DISCOVERY CHANEL,, OR THE DATE OF AIRING, HOWEVER IN THE PHILIPPINE ISLES. MUSLIMS HAD A LARGE MEETING, THEY WERE HOLDING THERE. THEY DID NOT HAVE DOCUMENTED PROOF, HOWEVER, BOTH McVEIGH AND NICHOLS WERE PLACED IN THE SAME ISLAND PLACE AT THAT TIME!!

      • dfocus

        Yes, I agree! The people who see this Tea Party stuff as something positive are only fooling themselves, it’s people wanting/needing to hate, HATE!

        • Gail Marie Florida

          no you are fooling yourself.

          • Jana

            dfocus as in de focus as in unfocused. Also could mean blinded by his own hate as he is the one that brought it up. However, this is the normal SOCIALIST’S / ANTI AMERICAN’S methods.

            They are tuaght to claim we are showing or demonstrating hatred, or racism, or terroristic actions. Their mantra is always the same. It is for the sole purpose of destruction. That is all these people know how to do is to destroy.
            Bill Ayers one of their hero’s blew up and destroyed buildings. Obama destroys reputations of anyone he doesn’t agree with. Look who Obama has surrounding him as advisors. A terrorist, Socialists, Communists and he is supported by Communist organizations, ANTI AMERICAN organizations, and Socialist organizations.
            Obama has taken over the banking industry, the auto industry, he is taking on Wallstreet, and now since the oil spill which many believe was an attack on that well, he is going to be taking over the oil industry. He has already closed two other wells in the Gulf of Mexico.
            This makes all of these ANTI AMERICANS and their groups so happy. Right now in Arizona you know good and well that there are paid antagonizers that are out there inspiring those riots.

            We are learning their tricks and tactics. They want to get the good guys riled. What they don’t realize is they are also making us STRONGER. They are making us more determined. So keep up the good work you HATERS OF AMERICA.

          • denniso

            Jana….you’re getting a bit extreme and off the edge of reason here. You don’t need to do that to make a rational point.

          • Jana

            Denniso,
            Not at all.

        • Barb

          dfocus, You are the one and others of your ilk, spouting hate, not the Tea Party. Take a look in a mirror if you want to see what hate looks like! You libs thrive on it!

          • Paul

            Getting ready, all you have to do is look around at what he’s done, just look at health care bill that he crammed down our throats if that’s not terrorism then what is.he has that self kill item in it and that alone will wipe out how many people. remember obama said that he is muslem first and American second. We have a terrorist for a prez I say put him in jail along with his terrorist friends.

        • JeffH

          dfocus, another mainstream leftist plant. Welcome aboard! Make a strong case and lets talk about it. As was mentioned in this fine commentary by Bob Livingston; ” A strong case could be made that the Clinton White House was, in fact, a terror organization. Remember Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and the Randy Weaver family?”. If you had even one ounce of morality in you, you would take the honest road and speak truths, but choose to kneel before Satan and deliver your soul.

          • kate8

            You make a great point, JeffH. The Clinton gang were terrorists, with the force of government behind them. It’s looking like the Obama WH is gearing up to top him in the terrorist department, with all the foreign troops he’s brought onto American soil. It seems he’s getty ready to pull out all the stops.

          • kate8

            That is, getting ready.

          • denniso

            ‘kneel before Satan’???? ‘all the foreign troops on our soil’???

            What the hell is wrong w/ you people? Get a job, or start knitting for your grandkids, or do something positive…you’re talking like you’re insane…

          • Time

            Hi Jeff,

            Yea Clinton was a saint to many, strange the folks in Africa don’t think so, after all it was Clinton that wanted EO to stop all opperations in Africia when they clearly did what no one else could at 1/4 the price and they were effective in stopping the killing.

            The cost in human life that we know of – is about 3.5 million, and then the UN did such a great job after they go in the mix with 18000 troops – just a mear 1.3 million more Africans killed, and some 375 UN troops killed. Cost in dollars paid by TAX Payers, 1.5 Billion per year.
            EO had a 110 troops on the ground, with a total loss of 3 KIA and 12 WIA. Total cost to the Governments in Africia who hired EO, $190 Million. or less that 10%.

            Clinton is and has been a 100% total Butt head, also keep in mind that this esteemed educated person needed to have a $3 Million dollar report done on the word “SEX,” and what the true meaning of SEX was and is.
            Strange I think most 12 year old’s have that down to a fine science. Yet of sitting President couldn’t figure that out.

            So everyone open your ears and listen to the Wizzard Clinton toss out pearls of wisdom, again how much does it cost for Slick Willy to speak again last I heard it was $275K for a one hour speach.
            And keep in mind he has done somewhere around 3500 of these over the last 10 years. Whats that add up to again?
            I guess that means he’s really smart, or perhaps it means that we have to many stupid people in the world.

          • Sidewinder

            denniso
            LOL!

            I hear ya!

          • JeffH

            I’m gonna take a shot in the dark and choose the latter! Did I win?

          • Cole Tindell

            Listen to all of you Americans…The Clinton Administration were terroist, The Bush administration should all pay for War Crimes, Dick Cheny should have been arrested for shooting his 6′ 1″ attorney friend in the chest while hunting 6″ Quail, wow what a FEW BEERS can do to someones judgement, now Obama is bankrupting America NOT 8 years of the BUSH Administration.

        • http://staats9barry@yahoo.com Barry

          I did not have sex with that person,that is who you believe in ? You’re either a one world government communist or STUPID!!!

          • American Liberal

            Kate… What foreign troops on our soil? You really are a lunitic..

          • denniso

            The only ‘foreign troops’ here are those who come periodically to train w/ our troops. This lunacy that says we are about to be taken over by foreign troops that are here by invitation of the prez occurs every time we have a Democrat elected president…it’s hogwash put out by extreme rightwing groups to scare people into not trusting the Dems. Pure propoganda and total lies…

        • Sidewinder

          Hate? Whats it got to do with hate?

          Its just a breakaway from the 2 parties.

          Although if they continue to solicit support of the GOP, I will have to look to another, DIFFERENT third party.

          • Rob Alexander

            Why do liberal dingbats always talk about “hate” like it’s an abstract general condition or something?

            These people, like me, probably hate liberal policies that take from those who earn something to give to those who don’t, and politicians who ignore the Constitution – the same way they hate venereal disease and cancer.

            And they probably like baseball and apple pie and cute puppy dogs.

            Screaming and whining “hate” all the time is an incredibly empty phrase that means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER without a target of said hate. Are you nitwits saying people should like thieving politicians and cancer?

        • http://PersonalLibertyNews Paul

          Then if you don’t like it LEAVE!!! I spent 10 years of my life serving this country in the the Navy 15 months of that time was spent ducking bullets & mortar shells in Vietnam! The TEA parties are a perfect LEGAL for of protest for the COMMUNIST we have in the White House and on November 2 we WILL start his downfall by elect A CONSERVATIVE RIGHT WING CONGRESS!!

          • American Liberal

            Maybe you should leave… You’re not getting anything back in November… And president Obama will be in office till 2016… Better get use to it…

          • Paul

            American liberal why don”t you just move to a country where you can talk your trash and have your smokes like all liberals. The prez we have talks about health care then goes out and has a smoke hes is one of the few presidentas we have had tyhat smoked and told peo[ple to do what he says and not what he does. And yes there are forgein military on our soil and they have been here for almost a year now just waiting for the green light to stomp on every one who does not like obama and yes iI do not like him he is a maslam and that means terrorist so now do we have aa american or a terrorist for a president.

          • Yankee Will

            You hit the nail SQUARELY on the head there, brother!
            And thank you for your service to our country.

          • denniso

            Paul…your drivel is nothing short of astounding, idiotic but astounding.

          • http://Yahoo carol harris

            Paul, your right let these idiots go to another country. They don’t belong here. Obama,Pelosi,Reid and the czars and democrats need to get out of this country brcause they are going against our constitution and liberty. They hate America, they lie and cheat and steal our money and our rights. I can’t believe that we haven’t tried to impeach Obama. He is the worst thing to ever happen to America. We have to get him out of office and put a real American who loves America and respects our constitution and works for the people. We want our America back and Paul thank you for serving our country,you and all the other Military people are what has kept our country free.Thank You. God Bless you and Our men and women who have fought for us. Take care and lets get America back on track.
            Sincerely, Carol

        • JC

          How do you equate behaving like Americans opposing tyranny to “hatred”? That’s a reach….
          We’re just sick and tired of lying, cheating, stealing government.

          • kate8

            JC, you are wasting your time trying to reason with liberals. They are paid to be here, to make provocative and outrageous remarks to conservative articles and postings. These same libs are here 5 days a week, during working hours. No one is entertained by these blogs for that long unless they’re paid. SEIU. ACORN.

            The only good thing they do here is to remind us of how brainwashed and ill-informed they are. Oh, and dangerous. They will never consider any view but their own. They are rude, nasty and love to insult and ridicule. I don’t even read their posts anymore.

          • denniso

            So, you don’t believe in freedom of speech? You want to decide who can talk or not? Now, it’s true, no one has to read anyones comments, we’re all free,right? But, really now…if you can’t stand to even read others opinions in the privacy of your home, how are you ever going to do the hard work of ‘taking your country back’??? Toughen up.

            You know I’ve been called a paid plant for so long now that it makes me think that maybe I should see if there is even such a thing. You think I could make a little money and have fun while doing it?

          • JeffH

            denisso, you’ve no credibility anyway but just to humor myself I’ll play once more with you.

            You said, and I quote: “So, you don’t believe in freedom of speech? You want to decide who can talk or not?”

            You see, with just those words you’ve proved to everyone just how disengaged you are from these discussions. No one mentioned anything about restricting “free” speech, but that obviously was your twisted interpretation of those you were responding to.

            I’ll say no more and I’ll leave it at that!

          • denniso

            JeffH…I give up. You are apparently so clueles and slow that you can’t comprehend much of anything. Look above at the righties who tell others to leave the country if they don’t like what the righties spout. You got it now? The old rightwing mantra ‘America, love it or leave it’ is an implicit statement to shut up. Maybe you need to try a little harder to understand what others write instead of just focusing on your lame retorts.

          • Meteorlady

            Personally I now skip over the liberal comments like denniso and am lib because it’s meaningless to me and it’s like beating your head against the wall – it hurts but accomplishes nothing.

          • denniso

            Meteor…beating your head against a wall??? That’s what you rightwingers are always doing…beating your heads against the wall of logic and reason and doing it over and over w/ no success…you people are stuck in your provincial thinking and the only hope is that your archaic ‘philosophy’ will pass in time.

        • Yankee Will

          DOH!focus…another clueless one…

        • http://yahoo Nick

          dfocus,
          You must be talking about white liberals. These types of individuals are some of the most hateful and venomous people I’ve ever met in my life. I figure the tea party movement must be positive because it has these hateful creatures running with their tails between their legs.

        • laura

          dfocus-Have you ever been to a Tea Party rally.Probably not, just another lead by the nose lib.

          GOD BLESS AMERICA

        • gregory

          hey focus, did ya think that these tax paying tea partiers understand the constitution? it always appears that people like you always go on the offensive when there commie idea of utopia have flaws, you guys only have one tool in your pocket call’d bait and switch. you accuse people of hate because you dont have any substance, we all know what is right, irregardless of how missguided your commie colledge proffessor has brainwashed you, go find a tall bridge because we dont want you anyway, we will always be here armed with the constitution!!
          while your kind will always be trying to turn our country into a third world type of situation, go live with your hero in cuba for awile and see how that life style suits ya. we will never allow you to take our country away no mater what…

          god bless you
          find jesus quick

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          All I see in the hatred sense, is all of you on the left hating on them. They have said nothing about eliminating you, or attacking your, or infringing on your freedoms, or of you being haters. No, they have stated they want to protect the constitution and freedoms of this country, that all of us will benefit. It is you sir, who want to hate, and you just exhibited it to all of us. Not one of them has spewed a hatred towards you, yet you just did towards each and every one of them. And now that I have told you the truth, no doubt you will label me a hater. That is what hatred does to you.

        • Liberty

          I believe you are so right. As long as people keep hating the other political parties the “elite” have us where they want us to do their bidding and fight in their profitable wars.

          Ms Liberty

      • PT

        I hope Clinton and all the “liberals” had a wonderful Mayday celebration!

        • American Liberal

          My May day was just fine…. How was May day for you rightwing lunitics…..

          • DaveH

            Thank you, American Liberal, for showing the casual readers what a bunch of vile people the Liberals are. I have tried to wake people up for years to the lack of character and morality that Liberals have. But you guys are doing my job much better than I ever could.

          • http://yahoo Nick

            American liberal,
            Why do white liberals talk like fifth graders constantly?

          • denniso

            DaveH has no job, except continually trying to convince Repubs to leave the Repub party and join the fringe libertarians…I say good, weaken the Repubs more than they already are.

          • gregory

            hey lib, read the constitution, if you need help understanding it -go to the library of congress site and studdy the constitution and its accual meanings, and think hard about the future of your missguided commie ways here in my free country. cuba is calling ya to come home and we dont need you anymore for our innertainment. you know the scam is up for commies like you when you start trying to breakdown the folks at the tea partys, try a new tactic because we have you figured out, or maybe get educated and get a real job instead of spunging off of all of us, the facts are that we the people will get stuck fixing all the crap you commies screw’d up, in the end obamie is still a commie, and we are all smart enough to see it, wise up-we all can see thru you, maybe we should quit working and paying taxes! how would your culture of corruption like that!! dont worry because we will try to put another ronald reagin in to clean up the utopian mess you guys created, kind of like carters blunders were fixed….

            find jesus

          • DaveH

            Does that bother you Denniso, that I no longer am supporting you and your lazy fellow Liberals?

          • denniso

            Just such a dumb comment…do you mean ‘lazy liberals’ like Warren Buffet,Bill Gates,Ted Turner, George Soros?? All billionaires who but their butts to make money…those kind of liberals?

          • Jana

            oh wow, Denniso, that just blows the theory that only Republicans are wealthy. This is a nice list of wealthy liberals.

          • Meteorlady

            OK George Soros a hero? Made his money the honest hardworking way. If you think that, you need an education on old George. If you are a true liberal you should hate and despise the man. George runs a hedge fund – he takes countries down by investing hugh sums of money, the betting against their currency and pulling his money out so the currency devalues. He has been indicted in France among other places for insider trading, he almost brought the Bank of England to it’s knees and has bankrupted a couple of third world countries. He is an avowed One World Order hack and he loved Communism because it is control of the masses. He hides behind many liberal organization but is only for George. Fast forward to October, 2008 – McCain ahead in the poles, Lehman starts crumbling, 500Billion disappears in less than 2 hours, 5 days later Obama is ahead in the poles. Most insiders believe it was Soros – the very man that pumped millions into Obama’s campaign. As for Bill Gates – there would be no Windows if he had not stolen a lot from Apple though he does do some good – he give computers away (equipped with Windows) to schools because it makes him money to do so. I could to on, but you never care much for facts anyway so what’s the point.

          • denniso

            You need to look at the context of the comments…DaveH commented about supporting ‘lazy liberals’…I posted a small list of liberals who are rich and apparently not very lazy. I don’t idolize them and don’t hate them.

          • Meteorlady

            Oh gads – I meant ATF mot FDA.

      • skipfoss

        You know I didn’t think anyone could be stupider than Clinton but you just burst my bubble. Mc viegh was a left wing freak like you and you had better get used to hearing more about our Founding Fathers and the constitution because the Tea Party is no small right wing group as a matter if you would stop being such an all knowing—- and read up on the group you will find that you left wing crack pots are becoming a dieing group just like most of your hero’s ,you see more and more states are waking up to the fact that —- like youacorn George Soros Tide foundation the bilderbergs and —- like that are loosing the power they once had because we don’t have to run when some one says the ACLU is going to sue if you do this or that. Tide foundation will give more money to so and so and they are going to sue if you pray or support prayer or a cross is put up somewhere,now we just look at you half witted freaks and say —— Americans have finally found their voice again. The Tea Party is growing and so are the other groups that most of you cooks fear the 2nd amendment groups with carry permits and states that are backing them and those states are telling illegals toget their—– out and take the progressive freaks with you. Opresso de Liber – (offensive words removed throughout)

        • denniso

          Skip just blew all credibility he might have had, saying that McVeigh was a ‘leftwing freak’…wow!! Anyone who belives that doesn’t have a clue what they’re talking about and what ‘leftwing’ means.
          I trust no other rightwingers here believe or think that…I guess Skip doesn’t want to welcome McVeigh into the rightwing camp???

        • Liberty

          If you were involved in an automobile accident could you pay for all the damages or would you rely upon automobile insurance?

          Do you really believe that cramming religion down everyone’s throat that this is the way to a “free” society?

          Propaganda makes for hatred and it seems that you really have sunk to believing all of it.

          One last question…are only right wingers fighting in the wars that America is involved in.

          Ms Liberty

      • William Nealey

        american liberal you just showed us all how STUPID you and all liberals are. dont you watch the news on fox? if you did you might learn something. but you IDIOTS would wrather go on belaiving slick willie amd obama the yama and just keep on drinking your coolade,

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You are so right. The biggest witness for showing the stupidity, bigotry, and hatefulness of the left wing liberals, is just to read what American Liberal, denniso, Smilee, Norm, and other libs write in these post. Their very words speak mountains about who these people are, and how ill informed of reality they truly are.

          • denniso

            Now you’ve done it…you really, really, hurt my feelings.

          • JeffH

            Beberoni, they are who they choose to be. They have to live with themselves and we can thank God that we don’t.

        • Liberty

          At least we can spell.

      • American Citizen

        Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist bent on destruction of our government. He was a fanatic, not a lover of this country. The Tea Party is much bigger than you on the left will admit. Just wait until November. We are having primaries tomorrow. Let’s just see what happens then.

        • Time

          AC, Dude – You just said a mouth full!

          I have a friend that works for the Britsh Press corp, they were in DC when the Tea Party had the massive march last summer where in the UK it was reported that well over 1.5 million people showed up for that event.
          Yet our news media stated that a (few hundred) showed up – I loved this quote in the Times, {they were all so Phat that they looked larger and could have looked like few thousand.}
          ” Got any real Journalist? ” That is over at msnbc, or cnn, abc, cbs, nbc, etc..

          Yet this weekend we had MSNBC, MSN and all the major news media making note of the Gaggle of Hispanic’s march’s that took place; some like in Atlanta GA where there were all of 50 people but the media said there were thousands of them!
          As a matter of fact the media has noted that nearly 100,000 took to the streets on the AZ Law all over the US.

          This is vivdly clear just how bent the US news media really is.

          • JC

            You can trust the media to be the government’s lap dog propoganda machine…but that’s about it.

          • Paul

            I am pro second amendment and I believe that all Americans should be able to carry a firearm but this butt head for a prez. thinks that we should be unarmed.

          • Yankee Will

            And where is the mainstream media on the nice little May Day riots that happened because of this new Arizona bill/law? I only heard about it on Fox and talk radio today!
            I only watch local news on the mainstream channels now, and pretty much just for the weather report. And half the time they get that wrong!

          • Earl, QUEENS, NY

            Time, your comment is very interesting. As for Slick Willy, I remember when I lived in Florida back in the1990s. I used to read the letters to the editor page of our major liberal newspaper. For every anti-Clinton letter they published, you’d see 2 or 3 pro-Clinton letters on the page. I thought that liberal rag was biased – considering that Clinton never got a majority of the vote from that part of Florida.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to Paul’s post, concerning gun control. I believe gun control means using two hands.

        • Chris

          Was he? Was he bent on destroying the government or assisting it? I never saw McViegh’s dead body, did you? Did anyone? Or is he sunning himself on some European beach right now at the tax payers expense? I do not trust this government any further than I can spit. Everything it does these days smells.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yeah, he is on a beach with Marilynn Monroe, JFK, Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis eating peanut butter and banana sandwiches and drinking martini’s. Holy smack man, put down the pipe. You cannot be serious.

      • J.D.

        Americanliberal, once again, you keep the fires going with your idiotic and totally misspelled blogs. I love it! You’re always good for a laugh. I’ve even showed your blogs to some liberals I know, and they think you’re an idiot! Please keep blogging, you are the posterboy that shows exactly what happens when government tries running education. Or anything else for that matter. Just by you popping on to these little conversations, you make otherwise disinterested people who probably wouldn’t read these, not only read them, but understand truly how far away from common sense most lib/dems are, and you strengthen Tea Parties. As a matter of fact, I know a lot of democrats who think this country and its current admin is a sorry mess. So, I guess it is mostly liberals/socialists in this country, like you, that keep the average person pointing more for the Libertarian form of government, which is Tea Party. So please, keep ranting, because the more you rant, and misspell, the more people will see it and understand a need for drastic government change and a lot less government infringements on our rights. I always forward your rants to all the democrats I know , just to get replies like” Who is that idiot?” and “Now I understand why you think there needs to be a Tea Party!” Americanliberal, bless your heart for showing everyone how pathetic the lib/socialist side is. You’re like antibuse to an alcoholic, or a fart in church. You can’t help but make people sick or disgusted with your ranting.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You hit a major nerve on the head, for I also know many democrats who are fed up with this Obummer cat and his posse, and are voting independant and republican this next election, as, more than one of them have told me, they are embarrassed by this administration and what they are doing to America.

        • Liberty

          Interesting. My take on the Tea Party movement is that they are very right wing or Republicans. Do we really hate each other so much. I believe we all enjoy most of the same things like electricity, clean air (ever been to Lima, Peru?), healthy food, gasoline to get to work and the grocery store, clean clothing, etc.

          The Obama administration has not cleaned up the mess in a year and four and a half months…geez…

          I also never heard he was for Americans to be unarmed. All nations who have been persuaded to give up their arms are now under regimes like Saddam.

          Ms Liberty

      • Chuck

        American Liberal,

        You said, “And all the ” founding Father talk” is getting a little silly…. America has indoor toilets now…” First of all, we would still be under British rule if it weren’t for what you and your kind call, “Bible thumping, Gun toting, Right wing extremist” just like our founding fathers. There were no liberals back then, probably because you guys couldn’t survive the harshness of the reality back then. Hence, your sarcastic remark about indoor plumbing. Maybe you spend too much time enjoying your indoor plumbing. But then, that’s about the only place liberals produce anything.

        And as far as Timothy McVeigh is concerned, he is a perfect example of what happens when you try to take God out of our society. If he hadn’t been an agnostic, If he had been a Christian, none of those people would have died that terrible day.

        “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” – John Adams

        • angel-wanna-be

          Clinton has a lot of nerve to call out ANYONE!!__He’s one of the recent Presidents, that I know of, that gets away with using cigars as a sex toy, with someone other than his wife while in the Whitehouse non-the-less! Then leaves his wife and daughter to deal with the Humilation of his friggin antics. Let the idiot call those of us who oppose big Government, whatever he wishes, his words are about as trustworthy as a snake. Most Former Presidents opt to do something decent with their lives after office. He chooses to back Bambi and his cronies, by spreading more lies. One wonders if Clinton is another one of Soro’s puppets?

          • Pat R

            angel:

            you are correct about Bill Clinton! Bill and Hillary are both under Soro’s and the Bilderbergs command! They are members of the Democratic
            Socialist Society. Hillary studied under Saul Alinsky while in College.

            I hope that after this term, we never hear from the Clintons again. Hillary has shown to be a true turncoat to the American people. Her stupid comment about the Gov. of Arizona showed her true color!

            I pray for my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, to guide us to do the right time in Nov. God Bless America again!! Amen

          • angel-wanna-be

            Amen Pat R!

        • denniso

          Hate to break your bubble, but most of the founders were inded liberals…they believed in liberal education, tolerance and keeping religion out of the gov’t. You want to look for ‘conservatives’ back then you would have to look at the British who were authoritarian and intolerant.

          • JeffH

            Hands clapping loudly! No name calling at all! YEAAAAAHHHHHH!

          • DaveH

            Dumniso,
            I “hate to break your bubble”, but the term Liberal back then referred to people who wanted more Freedom and less Government. The total opposite of the modern day Liberals who want to use Big Government as their bully boys to ride on the backs of unwilling people and force people to do things they don’t want to do.

          • Jana

            DaveH,
            Yes, Liberalism used to really stand for something but you know how these Socialists are, they perverted it. Just like Satan pervertes everything good and means it for evil, they took something good like liberalism and made it into a dirty word. But don’t tell denniso because he doesn’t comprehend who Satan is.
            I have been studying our Founding Fathers and yep, just like with Liberalism they have perverted what our Founding Fathers meant. Just goes to show you, that we can’t trust liberals/socialists to tell us the truth. They are afraid of the truth and they think if they tell these lies often enough and loud enough someone will eventually beleive them. They really think it will work, after all that’s what Pres. Clinton did. He made up his story and he stuck to it.It seemed to work, at least in his mind. So, the Socialist are making up stories and sticking to it. I don’t know if they think we are stupid enough to fall for it over and over again, or they are stupid enough to believe it over and over again. hmmm

          • http://yahoo Nick

            denniso,
            An example please of how the Founding Fathers believed in liberal education. And tolerance of what?

          • denniso

            Jana…I was raised Catholic. I certainly learned about ‘Satan’. I’ve grown up since then and have known for decades that ‘Satan’ is a human creation designed to instill fear in primitive people and to try and explain the evil we see in the worl and can’t comprehend.

            See, now we disagree again…that’s OK.

          • denniso

            Nick…the founders were tolerant of religions as well as people w/ no religion. Their belief in liberal ed was a belief in a broad and inclusive education, others cultures and languagues. Franklin spent years in France and enjoyed their different culture.
            A business or engineering or criminal justice degree is not a liberal education.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You really think so? How tolerant were they of the American Indians? Not very. How tolerant were they of their black slaves? Not very. How tolerant were they of evil men doing bad deeds? Not very. No, they lived very conservatively, as they were conservatives. If they were liberals, they would have had an equal amount of Indians, blacks, whites, and foreigners all sign the Constitution. I dont remember that happening, do you?

          • denniso

            the ‘founders’ were liberally educated men who were nevertheless stuck in their bigotry and the time they lived in…but to read your comment, you sound like they should have been more ‘liberal’ and so more tolerant toward Blacks and Natives…you didn’t mention women who weren’t able to vote for another 150 yrs…and, you’re right, ‘liberals’ are more tolerant of diversity in general…too many ‘conservatives’ are afraid of change and diversity.

          • DaveH

            Where did you ever get the idea, Denniso, that Liberals are tolerant? They are the least tolerant group of people I know. They are always trying to use the Government to force their way on the rest of the citizenry.
            You know nothing of our Founding Fathers. Don’t pretend otherwise. And certainly don’t compare them to yourself. They were wise of the ways about the potential for Big Government to stifle Freedom. They knew forcers and thieves like the modern day Liberals gravitated towards Big Government and they set up safeguards to save the citizens from your type. Unfortunately, to follow the rules (Constitution), takes integrity which Liberals have little of.

          • denniso

            Hopeless…clueless, pretend libertarian. Not worth my time…

          • denniso

            The founders were educated,smart,thoughtful and tolerant…what do you think they would have to say about most of the rightwing screamers,most especially like Palin,Limbaugh,Beck,Savage. Do you really think the founders would give those people the time of day?
            Those guys and Palin sound like uneducated rednecks w/ too much to drink and too much time on their hands.Blathering buffoons all…

        • Paul

          we have the
          a=Anit
          c=Christ
          l=Liberation
          u= union
          to thank for taking prayer out of schools and for thaking GOD and JESUS out of our country. But of course gthat is what lynin aand stalin both did in russia.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            A = Anti
            C = Christ
            L = Lawyers
            U = Union

          • denniso

            Boy is that clever…how many weeks did that take you to come up with?

            I’ll make you a deal…you allow Mohammed,Buddha,Confucius and witchcraft into schools and the public square and I’ll allow Jesus in.
            Deal???

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        I love how you bring up something that he never said, do a bunch of name calling, and acuse him of crap that you don’t understand. You are typical of the “divert the discussion” democraps that use the same theroy and tactics that hitler and every other demogog used to get total power, and destroy their country. You democrap socialists think that this administration is for the little guy, and yet he still trillions from all and gave it to big business, the unions and corrupt organizations like Acorn. You are being used by the press, the agitators and the demogogs to destroy all that made this a great country, to reverse what o many people died for, to give you a land of liberty, and you seem tho think that taking from the haves, that worked for their capital, should give it to the lazy freeloaders because they are poor. We are not a democracy, and never have been. The name of your party shows it wants to overthrow our Republic, and those in power should be hung for treason, in my opinion.

        Yeah, you can get the majority to vote for a joke like Obama, because he promises them rewards that they never earned, and he never delivers to them anyway. You are a fool because you obviously have no clue what this country is founded on, and you want to make it into another 3rd world country. That is exactly whet ‘your’ people are doing in Washington right now. Throw it all away, the great opportunity to make something of yourself, so you can get the rewards of those that worked for what they have. Your Obamanation is coming to pass, and in your ignorance you probably don’t realize that your hero, the great userper, has broken over 100 of his promises to date. That is a great person to put your energy behind.

        You have been duped by the agitators, the corrupt press, and your equally ignorant cronies that just love bashing those that stand for the foundation of our once great nation, that is going down the toilet because of idiots and traitors like you.

        What you don’t realize is how thoroughly you are screwing yourself for promises you will never cash in on. Most of us out here know that, but you are too dilusioned to realize it and promote the new Hitler. GO read some history, and you will see that Hitler, and every other dictator spouted the same crap that you support.

        You make me sick.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          The left is blind to the truth. Like this health care thing, they think is so great, like its slapping the rich and benefitting the poor. Those with money, have health insurance and dont have to worry. Now, there are single mothers with 2 kids that havent been able to afford it, are going to be forced by the goverment to buy it, and if they dont, they get a huge fine. Thats right. Read how it is written. The poor will be made to suffer more, forced to buy this insurance when they cant afford it, and fined if they dont. The ones that benefit, are Joe Crack Dealer down the street without a job. Now he gets his free. Welcome to Obama care. And for us middle class workers like me, well I get my premiums raised, my coverage lessened, and Obama and the democrats choice insurance companies, that they indeed are in bed with, will make billions of dollars on this. So dont be fooled libs, these dems who tell you that big business is evil, are in bed with them like nobody’s business. I cant believe you believed the hot air he blew up your butt. Unbelievable.

        • denniso

          If you’re talking to me, well, your comment is hardly readable but also makes me sick…you sound utterly unhinged. Are you behind bars somewhere? Hope so…

        • Liberty

          This sounds just like your opposites speaking of the platform you believe in…have you forgotten gender and racial discrimination? You are fuming with hatred and this is just where your party wants you. We need solutions not fingerpointing and hatred. Socialism started in this country with automobile insurance because it became too easy to be involved in an automobile accident and it would be impossible to pay for damages to property and victims.

      • refuse2lose

        Fringe group?If the Tea Party is only this small group like you insist then why is our “president”and several of his minions so worried about them?Why does the liberal owned mainstream media spend so much time trying to dis-credit them?Because they are a threat,a threat to their socialist utopia that they are trying to construct.And there were far more than “a few thousand”walking around DC on that day.But of course you would take the word of someone like Chris Matthews,who has stated more than once that “I get a thrill up my leg when the president speaks”.No worries,I was there personally and know how many were there.You keep holding on to your liberal lies.
        If you don’t like hearing about our founders I suggest you get in your car,turn your radio up as loud as it goes and maybe if you are lucky your ear drums will blow.That is your only chance of not having to listen to talk about our founders.Good luck with that.Maybe if you are really lucky your favorite One will remove all quotes and pictures of them from the public square and replace them with quotes and pictures of his czars,like Van Jones(admitted communist),Cass Sunstein(thinks animals should be allowed to sue their owners and thinks the government has the right to take your organs after death),Kevin Jennings(gay radical who wants books in elementary schools teaching fisting and also thinks kids should be told how great it is to have sex with older men),Mark Lloyd(thinks white CEO’s should step down from their positions and allow blacks to take them regardless of experience,also thinks the government should control the internet),John Holder(approves of sterilization thru the water supply,approves of rationing health care and allowing the elderly to die.What a GREAT bunch of people Obama has surrounded himself with!!!!Maybe you could talk him into including you in some of the pictures.

        • Time

          Refuse,

          They are very worried, thus the attacks – thats also why they are working so hard to make the Tea Party folks look like nuts.

          • JeffH

            Time, hasn’t it become so obvious who the real nuts are/ The libs have make themselves such an easy a target these days. Totally unimaginative!

          • http://yahoo Nick

            The Tea Party movement has the the white liberals running with their tails between their legs.

          • Kimmie

            Well boys and girls, it’s time for Kimmie to go to work to do her fare share and pay her taxes so those of you retired folk here have money in your SS and medicare this month. It’s a shame you’re going to use it all up before I get to retire when I’m 70. Hopefully over the years once all you closed minded people are gone WE, the Americans can actually get it fixed and figured out.
            bye bye.
            My other personality Pete will be taking over for me while I’m at work.
            See you soon.

          • Claire

            Good grief.

          • Claire

            kimmie– I have read all of your posts on this site. I have one thing to say to you–You will NOT be young forever. You will get old too if you live long enough and I hope you do. I pity you in a way because you are not grown up enough mentally to realize what the future will be, you are only guessing. It will not be utopia. Don’t you realize ALL politicans are about the same? They promise the moon and you get cheese. One day you will relaize this. How old are you? And did you say you had children? If you do have children, I suggest you spend some time with them and raise them to be good, decent, law-abiding, people. As you grow older, hopefully you will become wiser. I also wish to add that I will be glad not to be around if people like you will be running the country. It is a shambles now, and only God knows what it will be like in the future.. I wish you luck and Godspeed in your endeavor to make this a “better” world. You are going to need all the luck you can get.

          • Claire

            “realize”

          • Annie Eddy

            I do not believe ex-President Clinton should get involved in critizing anyone. Take a look at his character that he lowered right before our very eyes in the White House of all places. I support the Tea Party and I do not consider myself or other Tea Party supporters radical law breaking citizens. Watch the public meetings and you will see no violence because these are regular Mom’s , Dad’s, Grandma’s, Teacher’s, Black, White, Brown, Green, Yellow, Republicans, Democrats, independents, citizens who have never spoke in public before, who care about our great country. Tea Partiers are onto something, let’s keep going and clean up the criminals in Washington who take money without representing anyone except themselves. Annie

        • Jana

          refuse2lose,
          Yes, they are worried, and they have a right to be. We have finally found our voice and are not going to be silent any longer. For far too long we have set back and let these creeps push and shove their way into the main stream America. Their way is to take our rights away from us. We aren’t going to stand for it any more. We are STANDING up and saying NO!. It scares the daylights out of these fanatical Socialistis and supposedly progressive people. Progressives have recently been shown for what they are, which is Socialism. Just a nicer sounding word. Who isn’t for progress? Well, these Socialists sure aren’t for any progress except their own, in changing the United States into a Socialist / Marxist country, and they call themselves Progressives. Cute trick, but we are on to them now.

          Most of us have never even been to a TEA Party, however we do identify with them. All these other really nice people like Clinton who calls himself a Christian but cheats on his wife and lies, as well as Van Jones, who is an avowed Communist and who also is an advisor to the President, as well as Bill Ayers who really was and still is as far as I am concerned is a terrorist, who bombed buildings like Timothy McVeigh, but was just lucky that he didn’t kill anyone that we know of, and is also a good friend of Obama’s, are trying to cast aspersions on the TEA Partiers.

          These people are trying to make the TEA Partiers look bad, but what they are really accomplishing is showing themselves up for what they really are. Bigoted and corrupt.

          • kate8

            Jana, you are so right. The progressives are scared stupid of the Tea Party movement, and they’re desperately trying to find a way to silence us. They have made a science out of lying, deceit, spinning, and mind-control to use the people against themselves.

            What they can’t win against is truth, and knowledge is power. The more Americans understand their tactics, the better equipped we are to fend off their attacks, and not be daunted by their ceaseless ridicule and attempts to paint us as angry, militant mob.

            It does appear that they are moving toward staging some kind of calamity and blaming it on the “tea-party types”. It’s critical that we have a stategy to handle this when (and if) it comes, because this is how tyrants justify persecution of opposing factions.

          • JeffH

            Jana and kate8, you both know that these liberal hacks will continue the quest to attack, discredit and minimalize a conservative movement like the Tea Party. I just don’t think they took the fight of the people into account. The liberals are reeling, trying to discover a new strategy, but simple minds can only do simple things.
            It’s like a strong media wind blowing east to west through the hollow pipe between their ears.

          • Jana

            JeffH,
            All they are doing is making the majority mad. These ANTI AMERICANS tell their lies and the people are waking up to their tactics.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            What kind of morals can you expect from the left? I mean, after all, Jesse Jackson was Bill Clinton’s spiritual advisor, you know, the Jesse Jackson, preacher, so called man of God, committing adultery and have a “love” child while married to another woman. What a hypocrite. And Obama has Rev. “G.D. America” Wright. Another man who proclaims to be a man of God, yet openly states that God’s last name is damn. Can anyone say “False Prophet”. Yes, as it is written, many of them are in the world right now. And you will know them by the fruits they bear. So if the lefts spiritual leaders are totally bankrupt, how can we expect them not to be. Case closed.

        • Paul

          Refuse

          I have to agree with what you said there the obama he just wants to do an ethicnic cleansing the way they did over in serbia in the last decade. me I enjoy the company of my pets they are for me when I am upset or sad. if it where up to those in the WH we would not be allowed to even own a goldfish these people ( the liberals ) just want to control what we say what we do and where wqe go to them it is all about control, control, control.

        • Liberty

          You sure believe your parties lies dont you? Do you not see and hear all the right wing denounciations?

          Question: Why are the downtrodden so downtrodden?

      • Flynn

        Perhaps so, Mr. Liberal. The Tea Partiers of Boston were a right ring fringe group that changed the country and the world. The Tea Partiers of the 21st century will do the same.

        • Paul

          Flynn remember reading about the tea party in your history books. of course you do unless you have the new revised books that leave out the revuloution that brought us our hard fought freedoms that we have today.

      • Bet

        A typical comment. Since when do you have any idea what the Tea Parties are all about….ever attended one?????

        Most of the lilberal comments that follow just show how absolutely ignorant most democrats are…thus the nickname “dumbocrats”.

        In days gone by, there were Democrat presidents who had a little sence….in present day, they want to control the people and as much of this “free” country as they can.

        GOD BLESS THE USA AND PROTECT US FROM THE DEMONCRATS!

      • Southcoast

        mmm..if a tea bagger is someone who wants government to spend less, within its limits prescribed by the Constitution. And a tea bagger wants to keep their income to save for themselves and theirs,
        then the position you hold must be one of those who want the governemtnt to take all of you neighbor’s income and spend with wreckless abanondon to support people who do not produce.

        Would that make the people opposed to the tea party movement ball-sucking-pigs?

        Seems like an honest label for point of view, don’t you think?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          It would make them democrats, who seek to take from my hard earned income, and give it to some lazy ass that doesnt want to work, so that they can keep him down and dependant on the government.
          The more people the democrats can get dependant on the government dole, the more power they have. And that is all they are interested in.

          • Liberty

            Is English a second language for you?

      • Sidewinder

        American Liberal,
        Did you read the article? The article is saying that their is evidence that McVeigh was working with the feds on some level. I also know that McVeigh was approached and made an offer to go work for the CIA, but the official story is that McVeigh, the perfect soldier, washed out. If you can believe that.

        I think McVeigh actually made it into the CIA, and was running a black opt.

        No you are very wrong if you believe that Tea Party people, or those on the right think McVeigh is some sort of hero.
        He was a monster, CIA or not.

        But this is significant. It suggests that under President Clinton, we had elements of our own government bombing a federal building for the express purpose of putting the blame on what was perceived as radical elements, ie, right wing talk radio, militia groups.

        Oklahoma had many similarities with 911, under a very different Republican president.

        A general distrust and overall lack of confidence in the 2 parties, is what has given rise to the third party push, and the Tea Party. Its due to a recognition that neither is solving this countrys problems, and in fact creating them.

        The Tea Party is just a way to get away from both parties.

        • Jana

          Sidewinder,
          I am not saying Clinton had anything to do with it, I don’t think he was that smart, but I do think that a lot of stuff goes on with people that are in charge of certain operations, and they could have done some of those things. If Clinton had done this, he would be the type that would say I don’t want to know the details just do something. And since 911 was less than a year after Bush became Pres. he wouldn’t have had time to put something like that in gear, it would have had to be planned before he even became Pres.
          However, in actuality it certainly could have been something to do with someone in authority, it doesn’t have to be as high as Presidential authority.

        • Liberty

          I hope this is true, however in my opinion, Tea Partiers just seem like hate mongrels who believe only in slogans.

      • Chief Castro

        American Liberal an oxymoron if I ever seen one. The majority of the American People are conservative law abiding citizens. It’s the proggresives(liberals that corrupt the political process for their own gains ( the end justify the means). Liberal=proggresive=socialist=communist=statist=facist you are all splinters from the same rotten beam. We are not a democracy, we are a constitutional republic, the sooner we get back to the constitution the better it will be for our children and grand children, we must stop trans generetional theft by the goverment.

        • http://Yahoo Paul

          Thank you, Chief Castro! You finally made the most important point of this whole dicussion(?)! Yes, America is NOT a “democratic government”, but rather a “constitutional republic.” And long may the critical difference last!!

          • Jana

            Chief Castro,
            A very good post. Another word you could have added is, ANTI AMERICAN. Anyone who wants to change America and her values, is an Anti American!

        • Sumerian Man

          Cheif Castro, you deserve a grateful pat on the back. That’s putting it in a nutshell, thanks.

        • Liberty

          If there is no earth there will be no need for a constitutional government because of the belief that the individual, company or corportion has the right to just splinter it away piece by piece.

      • Save America Susie

        Dear A.L.–Like you, what most LIBS fail to see (since they are so out of touch with reality)is that it isn’t JUST the Washington Mall where the Tea Parties are held. They are held all across the country in every major city, and even small towns, and added up to much more than a few thousand people! Many more people agree with them also, but did’t actual take part. They prefer to VOTE the Left out at the ballot box instead.

        You see, let me explain to you a simple fact: The TEA PARTY people demonstrations of FREE SPEECH, are just the “TIP of the ICEBERG”! They are not the whole North Pole. But those others certainly exist & strongly support them; and will definitely be voting out the Left in the Fall.

        2ndly–Without the FOUNDING FATHERS, we are LOST! They are the ones who set up our CONSTITUTION. They created the concept for America. They are the CORE. The HEART of America. The Cornerstone. If you throw them out, we might as well move to Russia.

        3rd–The TEA PARTY demonstrations are the most organized, calm and considerate of any. There is no real evidence against them. Just fabrication. Only scare tactics from the left.

        Bill CLINTON should be ashamed of himself for his part in stirring up this non-problem, into a boiling pot of hot water that it isn’t, when it is really just a peaceful river going where it must. They are just expressing their opinions. But maybe someone is twisting his arm? Do they have something on him more than most people know? Are some of those old rumors true?

        I noticed that BILL sure got his butt in gear & onto BO’s side of boat, after Hillary was kicked in the teeth by her own party, when she lost the nomination. For a few days there, he was even SEEN on TV campaigning for McCAIN!–saw it with my own eyes!–when Hill lost the nomination! Then came the “big meeting” with BO at the White House. After that, he became a robot for the Left. Hillary too. In fact, were like two scared rabbits afraid to speak or move out of line. (What a contrast to her vibrant debates with BO beforehand!)

        I felt sorry for Hillary when her party turned on her, when she acually WON the nomination, but for the Democrat Super-Delagates stealing some of the votes from her & giving them to BO. (I saw video of the convention.) But then she stabbed herself in the back as well, committing political suicide. Many supporters turned away from her then and voted for McCain. Pretty scared….Pretty desperate…. Confusing to the rest of us. Now she’s a figurehead just like BO. Her first assignment? Japan? Biden went to the middle east instead. 2nd kick in the teeth! I lost all respect for her then.

        Bill is simply following instructions from someone by his absurd comments about the TEA PARTY. Bill & Hill have become the “Stepford Politicians”. Sad.

        What’s going on???

        • http://staats9barry@yahoo.com Barry

          Susie love what you are saying GOD BLESS YOU AN PRAY FOR AMERICA BARRY

          • American Liberal

            Need anymore proof that the rightwing teabaggers are nutcases?…Clinton would have had to have super powers to kill all those people….and keeping all that a secret?…. You rightys are just crazy

          • gregory

            MAYBE CLINTON HAD THE DEVILS HELP!

          • Mick for thought

            No Cheney is a republican.

          • Jana

            Mick for thought,
            I bet you are just so proud of yourself. Pathetic!

      • marvin

        am[stuped moron] lib you know i[we] think it is time you go away, your sick liberal views do not by any standard make you any well liked if you don,t like the constition and the bill of rights that is your choice their are loyal true american that have died for that right but to spue your sick hate at freedom loving american that have more rights to peacefully speak and assembly then millions of illegals but you think that is perfectly fine that crook and thieves along with people like you power hungry money grubbers in your simple plan the american people are stuped sheep but the tea party is here and as long as we have idiots like you and obama pelosie reid rangel nepolitano holder clinton trying to undermine this country unlike you bill clinton and janet reno murdered close to one hundred inocent people on ruby ridge and waco but thats ok ,with people like you that think is ok to cover it up with lies and putting the blame on innocent people but the truth will allways find away to the light even with the left wing media that don,t know the truth and would choce on it like you we say ether stop telling lies or go away we are trying to have an adult conversation

      • Palin12

        There goes UnAmer Lib again with his tea bagger comments. We are the Tea PARTY, moron! Tea baggers are what homosexuals do with their boyfriends.

        • Jana

          Palin12,
          Wow, I just learned something today that I am not sure that I really wanted to learn. YUK.

      • John “American Patriot”

        Once again the left wing kool aid drinkers are at it again with their lies, & name calling. These people are the real racists and the real domestic terrorists. I personally belive in freedom , liberty . The left do not belive in liberty , or true freedom. If you took the word liberal, and break it down letter by letter.You get- Lazy, Ignorant,Bastard,Erasing,Rights,And,Liberty!!!

        • Liberty

          I think everything you wrote is absolutely untrue. Sadly, the opposition thinks many of your issues are the direct consequences of your type of behavior. Do you beat your wife and Children?

          • Liberals are all LIARS, just like bill clinton!

            Liberty? Do you even know the meaning of the word?
            Yours is about the most ignorant statement I’ve seen anyone post on this blog. How nice that you trash the word “liberty” by posting your liberal/socialist/communist/marxist/stalinist/fascist crap on here. You’re really pathetic!

      • Frank Tejera

        you got it all wrong about THE TEA PARTY! We are GOD believers, Family oriented, Constitution abiding citizens, Love our country, I think most of us have served in the Military, We respect and salute our flag without someone bring it to our attention, we love Democracy, not Dictatorship, and WE THE PEOPLE stand together for the american dream. You people have double standards, and that is not flying at all with us. In God we trust, under Obama we’ll fall. Just look at the ECONOMY. The jobs created by having big government and people are out of work and loosing their homes that they work very hard for. DON’T TREAD ON ME!

        • Jana

          Frank T.
          AMEN.

        • Alisa Mathis

          The economy was bad before obama got in office. We went into recession and i lost my job under Bush. My thing is i don’t put my trust in the government, obama, or Bush my trust is in God alone. We should stop looking to the government as God and we as a community whether black, white, republican or democrat. we all need to come together.

      • Robster

        Where did you go to school? Did you study English? Did you pass your weekly spelling test?

      • andrew forrer

        am lib, once again you spew your liberal vitriol,as much time as you spend on this web site it is obvious you dont have a job,and if thats the case why are supporting the liberal aggenda? maybe you are career welfare? you are the reason the federal government is now the feral government if you dont know what the word means,take your welfare check and buy a dictionary

      • gregory

        it must be that pesky constitution that really drives a scumbag commie like you crazy!! THE FACTS SHOWN BY SATILITE GRID FIGURES SHOW THAT THERE WERE ONE MILLION SEVENHUNDRED THOUSAND AT THAT GATHERING, THESE FOLKS WERE MADE UP OF ALL RACES, RELIGIONS, AND AGES, IT WAS PEACFULL AND THERE WAS NOT ONE ACT OF VIOLENCE, THEY EVEN PICKED UP THERE OWN TRASH, THESE FOLKS ARE THE ONES THAT PAVED THE WAY FOR IDEALOGS LIKE YOU, A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ARE GRANDPARENTS TO UNGRATEFUL PUNKS LIKE YOU. THE TIME FOR A PERSON LIKE YOU TO REALLY WORRY IS WHEN YOU AND YOUR GOD HATING CREWS OF MARXIST HAVE TORN THE GREATEST COUNTRY DOWN TO THE THIRD WORLD SITUATION YOUR SCUM BAG COMMIE PROFFESSORS HAVE PROGRAMMED YOU TO DO, AT THAT TIME YOU WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE FOLKS WHO HELP’D MAKE THIS COUNTRY WHAT IT IS AND BEG THEM FOR FOOD AND LIFES NESSARRY ITEMS THAT ONLY THE WISE WILL HAVE A HANDLE ON, AND MAKE NO MISTAKE ALOT OF THESE FOLKS AND THERE FAMILYS ARE VETERANS OF MANY WARS,ITS POSSABLE THAT YOU MAY NOT BE PERCIEVED TO WELL AT THAT TIME YA NO BEING A COMMIE AND ALL. LET ME GUESS-YOUR PARENTS DIDN’T SHOW YOU MUCH LOVE AS A CHILD, WHAT ABOUT FAITH ON A SUNDAY MORNING? DID YOU SLEEP IN? YOU PROGRESSIVES ADD NOTHING TO THE REAL WORLD EXCEPT WANTING CONTROLL OVER OTHERS PEOPLES MONEY, ENERGY,BANKING ETC, CONTROLL IS THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE DUE TO YOUR MISSED GUIDED ACCEDEMIC IDEALOG IDEAS, THE ACCEDEMIC CONTRIBUTES NOTHING BECAUSE WITHOUT COMMON SENSE YOUR UTOPIAN IDEALS CANT WORK AND IT IS VERRY EASY TO SEE YOU ARE JUST A BUMPERSTICKER, WE MEANING APROX 70% OF THE U.S POPULATION KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IDIOTS LIKE YOU ARE ALL ABOUT. WHEN YOU AND YOUR VERRY SMALL COMMIE BLOCK FINISH YOUR DIRTY DREAM ON THE COUNTRY, YOU FOLKS WILL NEED THE HELP OF THE 70% THAT HAS COMMON SENSE AND LOVES FREEDOM, (MAYBE WE WILL CHOOSE TO IGNORE YOU). IF YOU GUYS REALLY SUCCEDE IN YOUR GOOLISH PLAN TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY A THIRD WORD SLUMM , I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT THERE WILL BE A MAD MAX TYPE OF SITUATION GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY, IF I WAS YOU I WOULD GET ON MY KNEES AND PRAY TO YOUR TRUE MASTER JESUS CHRIST, JESUS WOULD BE ABOUT THE ONLY HOPE FOR YOU BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE WILL JUST TURN THERE BACK ON THE COMMIE CLASS, REMEMBER DARKNESS IS ONLY THE ABSENCE OF LIGHT, WITHOUT LIGHT YOU ARE JUST A COMMIE SHADOW, I PITTY PEOPLE LIKE YOU, BECAUSE YOU WERENT SMART ENOUGH TO BEABLE TO SEE THROUGH WHAT YOUR MASTER COMMIE OBAMIE AND HIS BAND OF DEMONDS WERE ABOUT BEFORE YOU RALLIED FOR THE COMMIE THUGS, SMART FOLKS INVESTIGATED THE MARXIST THUGS BEFORE THEY MADE THERE VOTE, I ASSUME YOU PROBABLY FOLLOW’D THE GLITTERY FELLING YOU GOT RUNNING UP YOUR LEG WHEN YOU WERE FOOL’D INTO VOTING THESE COMMIES IN. IT APPEARS THAT YOU ARE REALLY ONE OF THE IDIOTS THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING ARE TEABAGGERS. TEA=TAX’D ENOUGH ALREADY, THATS THE PREMISS OF THE TEA PARTY, THESE ARE TAX PAYING FOLKS THAT WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO BE MORE ACCOUNTABLE WITH THE MONEY THEY ALREADY STEEL FROM US, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FORCE US TO GIVE THEM MORE OF OUR MONEY, THE GOV HAS PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT THEY CANT MANAGE OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL DECIDE TO JUST QUIT OUR JOBS AND SEE HOW THEY LIKE THAT, IM SURE WE COULD SURVIVE LONGER THAN YOU COULD. THE FACT IS-YOU GUYS NEED US TO WORK AND PAY TAXES, OTHERWISE PUNKS LIKE YOU GO HUNGRY! SO IF I WAS YOU ID START KISSING OUR ASSES BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU GUYS TIME FOR PLAYING DRESSUP AND HOUSE IS ALMOST OVER, THEN THERE WILL BE ANOTHER RONALD REAGAN TO COME IN AND CLEAN UP YOUR UNNESSARY MESSES, WHAT A BUNCH OF DUMB ASSES YALL ARE! I STILL CANT BELIEVE YOU GUYS WERE TO STUPID TO EVEN INVESTIGATE YOUR NEW MASTER BEFORE MAKING YOUR VOTE! THE SMART FOLKS WERE SMART ENOUGH TO CHECK THESE PEOPLE OUT, IF YOU WILL NOTICE THESE SCUMBAGS YOU ARE RESPONSABLE FOR GETTING IN TO OFFICE WILL EVENTUALLY CONSUME YOU AS WELL, AROUND THE TIME YOU FIGURE OUT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN LYING TO YOU ALL ALONG, THEN YOU WILL TRULLY KNOW THAT YOU WERE A PRODUCT OF GOV RUN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND WAS JUST GIVEN GOOD GRADES BECAUSE IT WAS FAIR TO EVERYBODY ELSE AND YOU REALLY DIDN’T LEARN ANYTHING OTHER THAN HOW TO DEPEND ON OTHER PEOPLES HARD WORK, YOU MAY BE A COAT TAIL RIDER RIGHT? THE ONLY WAY A PERSON LIKE YOU CAN GET AHEAD IN LIFE IS TO LIE ,CHEAT,AND STEAL..LIKE YOUR IDOLS SLICK WILLY, THE PEANUT FARMER, AND COMMIE OBAMIE, SLICK WILLY MAY BE LESS OF A LIER THAN COMMIE OBAMIE, COMMIE OBAMIE SEEMS TO BE GETTING CAUGHTN IN ALOT OF LIES AND IM SURE HIS LEGACY WILL BE THE WORST LIER AND CHIEF WE EVER HAD, ESPECIALLY AFTER HE GETS THROUGH TAKING AWAY FREEDOM FROM THIS COUNTRY AND TURNING IT TO THE DREAM OF HIS FATHER! YEA I READ IT -AND AGAIN I WAS SMART ENOUGH TO SEE THAT THIS GUY IS A MARXIST, IM ASTONISHED THAAT YOU WERE TO STUPID TO SEE THROUGH THIS IDIOT!!
        ONE DAY YOU WILL GROW UP AND REALLY INVESTIGATE THE LEADERS YOU AND YOUR ILK VOTE IN, WE THE 70% GET IT. YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO THE ONLY REASON THAT THEY GOT VOTED IN IS BECAUSE OF THE ILLEAGLE VOTES HE GOT INCLUDING DONALD DUCK ANMD MICKY MOUSE AND THE BUMS ON THE STREET CORNER WHO WERE PAID TO VOTE MULTI TIMES, IF YOUR PROUD OF THAT THAN YOUR MORE LOST THAN WE THOUGHT, AND MAYBE THERE IS A SOULUTION FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU–GO FIND THE TALLEST BRIDGE AND MAKE THAT LEAP OF FAITH BECAUSE NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY -THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THE PEOPLE OF LIGHT OUT THERE CONSTANTLY FIGHTING THE FORCES OF DARKNESS…

        GOOD LUCK TO YOU WHEN MAD MAX DAYS COME AROUND
        GOD BLESS YOU
        AND REMEMBER JESUS WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU

      • Cribster

        You are beyond help A.L. Either that or you just like to spread your angst, misery loves company.

        All I can say is come over to the conservative side, you’ll feel much better!

      • Ted P.

        Bill Clinton is surely worthy to pass judgement on The Tea Party members. After all BILL is without SIN, but I guess the LIBERALS take pride in Bill Getting his WHISTLE BLOWN in the WHITE HOUSE.
        His Latest comparison of Tea Partiers to Mcveigh just shows how a perfessional LIBERAL thinks.
        I guess that since Hillary is so busy globe-trotting that she does not have the time that would be required to get bill “UP” and do his whistle stops.
        Remenber this dumb-bunny said: ” I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN”
        do you need any more convincing ?
        thanks:
        T.P.

        • momof4

          Ted,
          Finally, someone said what I was thinking!!! Who cares what Bill Clinton says. I mean the man is a PIG!! And people listen to him like he’s this man of great character. YUCK!!!!!!!

      • Nancy

        American Liberal: I can only hope you were being sarcastic or facetious about the Tea-partiers being a small group…if not….ARE YOU FRIGGING SERIOUS??? Do you ever watch the news?? Oh and while you’re at it, did you catch the pathetic attempt that you lib’s made to “answer” us tea-partiers in the form of your little coffee party?? Lord what a joke that was. I reckon you like the lying, deceitful, anti-American jackal oblahblah, too?? What a waste of a heartbeat that jerk is. The ONLY thing I can say in his favor is that he has re-ignited REAL American’s passion for our country, the freedoms that mean so much to us, and our determination to win AMerica BACk from the worthless jerk.

        • laura

          KEEP TELLING IT LIKE IT IS -NANCY

          GOD BLESS

      • http://none larry heileman

        well, simply put, if Timothy McVeigh is roasting in hell, then all the Clinton administration and the 32 supicious deaths connected to him and his It-takes-a-village-to-raise-a-child acomplic, both durng his gubernatorial run and presidency, will be roasting beside him in their end days.

      • GUS

        Mr American Liberal.. you should be aware of who YOU are supporting. Take a look at this …………….
        http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

      • Gene

        AMERICAN LIBERAL..That has got to be one of the most simple minded comments ive ever seen.. Talk about racist remarks.. Forget about skin color,that remark is more akin to hate speech than ANYTHING ive seen from the Tea Party. The narrow minded and UNEDUCATED views of people like you are exactly why this country is in such a mess.. Wake up people or you will all regret it soon.. The time to change this sad course were on is running out quick.. God Bless The Freedom Movement.. May it be Compassionate and Successful.. Read This…

        “A revolution is coming ,a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough ; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough- But a revolution is coming whether we will it or not. Robert Kennedy 1968″… hmm a democrat said this and then was assassinated.. WHY ?… Gene, Campaign for Liberty member Albany NY..

    • dave

      I agree with you but would like to add a few things. Is it not the pot calling the kettle black when he gets on his soap box? None of us should forget the trail of bodies that have seemingly been left by the Clintons. This Guy taxed the living hell out of us for his almost entire time in office and the big pay off came in the closing days in office. Remember raises for every body! also I think the world would be better off if both of them dried up and blew away. This guy is a disgrace to this country and the office he held. His wonderfull wife is selling us down the road too in case some out there do not know. How do these people get into power any way. I think Mc Veigh was the man who knew too much. just like Oswald in the sixties. But then we will never know. Throw them all out and lets start over, you know hit the reset button. Have a nice day!

    • http://fellowshipfamilycounseling.com Ron Deere

      Right Wing,
      Right you are. This all is sickening similar to Adolf Hitler’s rendering disagreement with the charge of sedition back in the 1930s. What should really happen in a free society is for the other side to respond with a reasoned statement. The decision to insult and smear rather than to respond with a reasoned statement is a clear indication of the fact that they HAVE NO reasoned response! It is reasonable therefore in a free society for the people to seek a redress of grievances. Upon being greeted not with reasoned responses, but rather insults and smears, the Tea Party will only grow in numbers and decibel level until those that insult and smear will eventually be against the wall and will have to come up with a reasoned reply or be silenced.
      Sincerely, Ron Deere

    • Sidewinder

      THANK YOU FOR RUNNING THIS STORY BOB!

      You spelled it out.
      My fear is that some, after reading this will see the Democrats as solely the problem and capable of anything, ignoring the whole festering can of worms that is 911.

      I believe elements within the federal government are committing terrorist acts against America, and this does not change no matter which party is in office. Forget Al Quada, they are a diversion.

      They have passed so many anti terror laws, that it would seem to me, that perhaps the way to get them is to hang them with their own rope. If any of this can be proven….those anti terror laws could be used to clean out Washington.

    • lostcrow

      Yeah, Bill Clinton was the only president to ever chase tail. Is that closet you live in, dark?

    • Another Voice

      Sure, most of the tea baggers are intent on true reform, but there are undoubtedly a few unbalanced individuals in their ranks who might be inspired to commit an act of terrorism when they hear the Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck style rhetoric of hate and fear. This is what Bill Clinton was talking about. He wasn’t saying that all tea party people were terrorists.

      And as for the Ruby Ridge incident, all I can say is that nobody would have been killed if Randy Weaver had shown up for his court hearing.

      • val jas

        All of us Americans better WAKE UP. Doesn’t matter what letter they (the thugs in D.C.) have behind their name. WE THE PEOPLE – I mean all of us, are in deep trouble. Those in the District of Corruption don’t give a crap about anyone but themselves. It’s been a long time coming and it’s going to be a long time a-fix-in folks. Better be prepared for a bumpy ride. Anyone who thinks this gvt is not capable or willing to do the unthinkable is fooling themselves. (a little side note here, my daughter was not given her court date and was found guilty anyway as they proceeded with the hearing, she later found they sent her hearing date letter to wrong address, so as far as McVeigh who knows-i wasn’t there, were you?) So people instead of condeming the tea party people, get to one and talk to the guy/gal next to you, you might find them to be just regular folks who are VERY concerned about this BIG GVT. You know Hitler or Castor and others could only have done what they did because they all had one (1) thing in common BIG GVT. Just remember when all is said and done those so-called elected representatives of the people, will not have to live with or by the limits and constraints they will impose of us. Al Gore is a good example of this, he thinks we should all set our therostats back or up (depending on season) for the environment. What a joke, while he and of course all the other politicians keep theirs set at whatever is comfortable. He can own several mansions and heat and air condition them and still tell us how awful we are and that we should sacrifice for the environment. They’re all hypocrites and smart ones at that as nearly one third of our (U.S.) are being duped into believing this crapola. Not saying some controls aren’t needed regarding pollution and the environment, but lets start thinking seriously and paying attention to what the other countries – the major players are saying. This is one issue of many. You out there complaining about those tea party protesters should be thanking your lucky stars that they are taking the time out of their lives for all of us. Hoping to bring attention to issues that will be far reaching and long lasting. I for one am scared of this BIG GVT and sugguest that you should be too. There’s something we all can do and that is RE-ELECT NO ONE. After a few elections maybe they’ll get the message. Those of you out there who can’t see the light need to really start thinking. The people in this country who work hard and I mean long and hard (i.e. 60 hour work weeks not an exaggeration for people who work for themselves) WILL NOT do this simply to have it taken away by a corrupt goverment. I mean really what’s the point? So what then? The middle class ceases to exist-then what do you have left? If it’s so wonderful to live with socialism why are people from all over the world still coming here? FREEDOM!!! We’re the last place on earth to have FREEDOM. I’m not giving up hope as i have children and want them to have the opportunities to live in Freedom. I want them, if they so choose to shoot for the stars. I’m not jealous of people who make millions of dollars whether it be Bill Gates or Oprah because I know these peole had opportunities afforded to them by our system which includes the constitution and is the foundation of our great country. Even our president has been afforded his position and wonderful life because of basic American principles. These are important. If you understand them you’ll appreciate what we have and are in danger of losing. One other thing Bill and Hillary wow come on now. I lost all respect for her as a woman and came to realize she is simply in it for power. I wonder how many of you lib women out there would live with being demoralized and trying (as i think she did) to justify staying there to her daughter. I once thought of myself as relatively liberal, but started to look at both sides of the problems, and realized there are things in life you can’t justify NO MATTER WHO DOES THEM-be it B.Clinton, Geo.Bush or Barry, who had to change his name WHY? Barack sounds more rock star? yea i guess that’s it. His choice not his moms. I sure hope the Hateful feelings stop out there and we start to look at each other for who we are-folks with differences but more likenesses than we realize or may want to admit i’m afraid. I talked to a girl who wanted health care to pass because she had a friend who got pregnant and couldn’t get coverage. Once pregnant she tried to add it to her coverage and of course the ins. co. said no. o’k that’s like taking the cheap car ins. and not having collision and crashing the car and then asking the ins. co. to let you buy coverage so they can pay for the damages. What would happen if we ALL did that sort of thing? If ins. companies don’t make money why be in buss.? Lack of common sense is going to get us in trouble. This goverment is betting on it. Good luck to the tea party folks and to those who don’t understand.

      • Doug

        what that another voice in the Dark! Clinton talking about murder you better look at her and her man Hilary how many people who worked for them died that had the good on them. Clinton is nothing but coward that’s why is wife weres the balls and their both criminals and murders, get your facts staight you liberally take it in the butt!

      • Sidewinder

        Now when you say “Tea Bagger” you are refering to your homosexual friends I assume?

      • Sidewinder

        “might be inspired to commit an act of terrorism when they hear the Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck style rhetoric of hate and fear.”

        Do you even know what you are talking about? I listen to Glen Beck every morning.

        One thing Glen Beck is VERY CLEAR about…..Being NONviolent. Theres no hate on Glen Beck. Nor is there fear, if anything Glen’s oftern hopeful when he’s not making jokes.

        Its quite obvious you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

        • Jana

          Sidewinder,
          You are so right. Anyone that puts these people down, Hannity, Beck, Linbaugh, obviously either don’t listen to them or are afraid of the truth. Truth and knowlege are power and truth sets you free. But, most of these people have blinders on. They just can’t see the Truth no matter what they do, so they are going to keep being led around by the nose and deeper into deception.

      • Meteorlady

        Having lived in Washington State during Weaver’s time – I can attest that there would still have been violence if Randy had turned up for his court appearance. You are remiss if you have not read the true story. If Randy was sooooooooo wrong why did a court award him a settlement some years later? Why would the government not have just surrounded his place and waited until he ran out of water or food? Why did they continually harass him to spy on his neighbors? Why would any red blooded American shoot a woman dead that was holding a baby in her arms – or shoot a child’s pet? Oh what the heck – you won’t change your mind anyway so not sure why I am bothering writing.

      • momof4

        A.V.

        I have never heard Glen or Rush encourage violence at all. In fact just the opposite. Get your facts straight before you start accusing people of things they don’t do. Do you even listen to Glen Beck or Rush? I don’t think so.

    • Oldperson

      Clinton should have been impeached. He was also a bad President. Even though Obama is worst. Along wiith Carter! All three was now worth anything.

      • Ted Crawford

        clinton WAS impeached! The House impeached him the senate,however, voted not to remove him from office.

    • http://none Alex

      More Tea Bagger drivel!
      Now look who’s going for the “wild conspiracy” talk….funny.
      Well, listen up: There was no bomb in Times Square–it was all a ruse to take Teabag Ignoramus America’s simple collective mind off of the disaster in the Gulf of Mexico.
      This is what the White Estates of America ALWAYS does (Remember the Maine? FAKE. The Gulf of Tonkin “incident”? FAKE> This wretched country always plays the fear card (that is why the Teabaggers so perfectly fit into the Fright Wing. America is never hesitant to murder the innocent (Grenada, Vietnam, etc etc ad nauseum)in order to push our ugly Capitalist Empire around the quickly-deteriorating planet. We, as Americans, in a word, suck…..

      • Jana

        ATTENTION ATTENTION:

        Alex is an infiltraitor. Spelled this way on purpose. He is one of those so be aware.

        • JeffH

          Jana, Oh yeah! I’ve read his rhetoric elswhere, to the letter.

      • gregory

        go home cuba is caling you!

      • Sidewinder

        Interesting theory Alex.
        You have inside information on that Times Square thing? What are your sources?

    • DeJay

      Reply to Rightwing. You claim the ballot box is our way to make things right. You may be right if the ballot boxes are not rigged.

    • 14Freedomfighter88

      Klingtong is an @$$hole, including his ugly wifey Hillary-Billary. Considering how many people disappeared, murdered, threatened during the Klingtong dictatorship, Slick Willy should shut the hell up and hang himself. It’s a shame that he and his moron wifey could get away with massmurder, treason and other crimes.

      Slickie Willy, you are one the most dangerous criminals on Earth! Eat doggiepoopoo and die!
      A message from a fra-right-winger.
      Jovan V.
      Campbell CA 95008

      • Meteorlady

        Yeah – Clinton was such a good guy!!!!!!! You need to go way back to college for Bill and Hillary and start reading. “Things” happened around them, but “nothing” ever happened to them. There is so much coincidence that it’s odd. Clinton was exceptionally good at “paying back” anyone who helped him get elected. Tyson Chicken, Walmart, etc. He as a sexual predator although he was smart enough to choose women that were of age, he still had numerous affairs in Arkansas, on the campaign trail and in the White House. Monica was not the only one, nor was she the last one. Bill and HIllary are the epitome of corruption in political office.

    • Gary

      Yea, he can you believe it he said this “words have consequences.” I always thought he believed that could say whatever you wanted and words it could mean what you wanted them to be a thing like “sexual relations” or make whatever meaning out of the word “is.” Words have consequences? Wow?

    • Alisa Mathis

      we in the black community and us black youth want to know are the tea party racist or not and why have they not come to the black community to talk to us.

    • Jim Robins

      I have a suggestion, that will put a stop to all of the Democratic rhetoric about the Tea Party being a bunch of terrorists. In fact if they do not do this. Come election time in November, they will split the Conservative movement.

      I suggest that the Tea Party rename their organization the “Constitutional Party.” Stop going off in all directions trying to support or protest each and every issue. If you support the Constitution 100%, then all other issues will fall into place.

      I suggest that the Republican Party do the same thing.

      In doing so, we need to push to repeal the Obamcare program and in doing so push for his impeachment, for violation of the Constitution.

    • Jim Robins

      Another observation; it seems that all members of the Democratic Party have sold their souls to the devil, in as much as they blindly support the Obama agenda, without question. Which is exactly what happen in Germany with the the rise of Adolph Hitler and his Nazi Party. The paradigm of his agenda is identical to Obama’s.

      The Obama Socialist movement is on schedule and is widely supported by those who feel that the Republicans have trashed our way of life, therefore are willing to give up all their rights in exchange for their 15 minuets in the lime light. They stumble over each other in an effort to gain his praise, when in fact he holds nothing but contempt for all citizens of America. I particular, he holds our military in even more contempt.

      He has stated before that he is a Muslim, therefore he has no regard for anyone of the Christen faith.

      Therefore we should disregard all the rhetoric coming from the Democratic party and their lap-dog left wing media, and vote them out of office and work to solidify the conservative movement.

    • Jim Robins

      Bill Clinton asked the question; “Who are the real terrorists?” You have only to look at the White House and the Congressional majority for your answer.

  • American Liberal

    Another Nutcase artical….this artical is aimed at America hating , anti government radicals… Very little fact and a cheap attempt to blame the government for the Oaklahoma city bombing…. This articals an example of what Clinton was addressing…Weaver brought attention to himself… He threatened to Kill a president, the pope, sold illegal firearms.. Missed a court date..so why is anybody suprised Atf showed up to arrest him…a lot of conspiracy claims …this is exactly the kind of hate Clinton was talking about… Just a bunch of crazy wayout claims made to rile up rightwing radicals…

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Bill Clinton, in his heyday, was far more a dangerous threat to the United States than Randy Weaver ever was, but I didnt see nobody come shooting at him and his family. The guy was the biggest crook and the most immoral person ever to defile the office of the President. He sold our jobs to Mexico and sold our technology to China, and he sold his soul to the devil a long time ago. And he sold drugs in Arkansas, as he took money and protected the Mena drug ring. The guy was no good, and he lied to the American public about everything, and even got the gullible to believe he balanced the budget. Not so.

      • DogWithoutSlippers

        And did not the pig in him, as he serve as AG of Arkansas, cause him to be admitted to the hospital for a cocaine overdose?

        • Ruby

          I hope and pray that we continue united in our beliefs through November when it’s time to use our loaded weapons at the polls. That’s when we’ll all know the resolve of the American people – Tea Party or no Tea Party.

          BTW, I support Tea Party efforts, and the refounding of our country. It is DEFINITELY what our country needs. However, if we don’t stay the course, what good is all this discussion?

          Don’t lose sight of my main point here: STAY THE COURSE!

          • Right Wing

            Amen Ruby! Don’t let the antagonists comments dissuade your convictions. Indeed…stay the course and commit to show up at the polls. Convince any others who might waiver in their convictions because of lost or weak hope to do the same. Rally for the cause. America has been led astray by the confused with no intestinal fortitude. If it is to belong to We The People again…then it can only happen at the polls.

          • Max

            Unless the tea party can become a majority, they will ultimately split the party votes which will benefit the Dem’s. This has been historically proven time and time again. Couple this with the fact that Obama manufactures voters for his personal gain; honest people don’t stand a chance to overcome the changes that this illegal administration imposes on our country. Obama’s falsified credentials along with no proof of citizenship, makes the whole administration illegal!
            Bottom line is united we stand, divided we fall… the battles lines have been drawn, their mission is to divide and conquer and we are playing into it by shooting our own wounded… God will not destroy, for the sake of 10 righteous, stand up and shout for truth.

          • JeffH

            Ruby, indeed, ” STAY THE COURSE”.

      • skipfoss

        I like your reply and you are right about Clinton and throw his buddie Al in the mix if not for those two there would not have been a 9/11. All of these conspiricy freaks claim that it was a plan by Bush,no way ,he did not have the time to set up such an elaborate plan ,but Clinton and Gore did. They had eight years the deal was that had Gore been elected as he had planed he would have come out at the last minute with the capture of these people with a plan to fly the planes into the buildings,but since the court found all of the fraud that the Dems commited and found that Bush actually won they let the plan go through so as to make Bush look like an more inept leader. Bush did not have all of the info that Clinton and Gore had and he could not have possibly put a plan into action in such a short period of time,hell he did not have half of his cabnet in place. If Gore had stoped the plan they would have built a monument to him that would make the Statue of Liberty look like a golf trophy

      • Jim Robins

        Hillary Clinton was and is far more dangerous than Bill Clinton ever thought of being. When she was in the Arkansas State Capitol at Little Rock. She was more skimming and manipulative than Bill could ever be. Do you recall what happen to all the members of her law firm? They went to prison, but what happen to Hillary; nothing. What happen to all of her bodyguards, who knew what she was up to? Their dead. What happen to all her papers and documents? Destroyed. I think we can safely say that she along with Nancy Pelosi are the two most dangerous women in America, if not the world.

    • William Nealey

      there you go again. eithr you didn’t read the full article or as is the case with all liberals you chose to ignore the important parts. they sent him a court date which was inaccurate STUPID,

    • JeffH

      “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.

    • Commonsense

      Oh please, stop with “I can’t spell because I’m a moron” bit. My sides are killing me!!!!!

    • Sidewinder

      American Liberal, no I read a book on Oklahoma back in the 90′s. There is evidence of what Bob Livingston is saying. Witnesses have names, and there is siesmic data on record. And once again, we have demolitions experts that discussed the explosive power of a fuel oil/ fertilizer bomb. You have to be an expert to be able to guage this, but the experts did in fact say that that type of bomb, has no where near the explosive power as plastic explosives, or even TNT. As far as explosive power goes, a fuel oil/fertilizer bomb will make a big explosion, but its not as forceful as much much smaller amounts of other types of explosives.
      In other words, on the scale, fuel oil/ fertilizer bombs are weak.

      In fact far too weak to do the damage that was done to that building. Thats from demolitions experts. They would know.

    • Time

      Nano Wit, No one here is anti government, we just want a responsible government, that works within the confines of tax base it has based on a reasonable format.

      Thus we don’t want to pay out 90% plus of our wages in Tax’s, nor do we want the government to spend money’s from our tax’s to countrys that hate us. We don’t need then.

      We also don’t want out governemnt in our bank accounts, stock accounts, or our childrens lifes, nor do we want our government to do anything more that what the Constitution states is their job.

      In plain words Nano Wit, (we don’t need the Government making problems, then solve them in an ineffective mannor.)
      Thats Wasteful, (can you get your tinny little mind around that idea?)

      • Yankee Will

        LMAO!

    • val jas

      Sorry, but you weren’t there. Why are you so sure about your gvt? what do you do for a living? I’ve known people who lived in Waco TX and have read lots of articles about the Branch Davidians. If you think your gvt is not capable of lying and worse, I can’t help but worry for the future of our country. I’m only curious about what you do for a living because I’m finding most very liberal and big gvt lovers are employed by the tax payers in one form or another. Be it teaching, union or subsidized gvt contracts. So don’t take the ? as a wise ass crack. just curious

    • Meteorlady

      In the Randy Weaver case the government was found to be responsible. He won a settlement but it didn’t bring back his wife and children. The government had three choices with Randy – leave him alone after the first attempt to get him to spy on his neighbors; keep at him until he caved; or bring him down when he didn’t cave because he knew too much.

      I’m thinking you believe Randy was a terrorist or some nut case up in Northern Idaho. Randy moved there because he wanted to be left alone, wanted not to hear about what the government was doing and he like the solitary life that area provided.

    • Meteorlady

      Am Lib: Once again you are wrong. Weaver did not threaten the pope, president – someone turned him in because they were mad and said he did. No one ever actually heard him say anything in person. Your comment contains half truths and lies.

      By David Lohr
      Idaho vs Randy Weaver

      As the gunsmoke began to clear on Ruby Ridge, prosecution of the Weaver case was assigned to U.S. Attorney Ron Howen. Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris were commended to the Ada County Jail and eventually charged with ten counts, including murder, aiding and abetting murder, conspiracy and assault. With the wealth of information to sift through, the trial would not begin for another eight months, during which time Kevin and Randy remained incarcerated.

      On April 13, 1993, a jury consisting of seven women and five men, along with six alternates was selected at the Federal Courthouse in Boise, Idaho, with U.S. District Court Judge Edward J. Lodge presiding. The trial began the following day and ultimately lasted for a total of 36 days. During the trial, the prosecution called 56 witnesses, while the defense, confident that the government would destroy their own case, called none. The entire ordeal was bizarre to say the least and almost everyone of the prosecution’s witnesses contradicted or countered the testimony of a previous witness. The prosecution spent several days going over the Weavers’ religious views, trying to establish that they were racist and had a long-lived conspiracy to violently confront the government. Marshall service witnesses described pre-siege scenarios to root Weaver out of his cabin, however when pressed by the defense, they said they never considered simply knocking on the door and arresting him. In addition, government agents admitted that the FBI had tampered with evidence and that the crime scene photos given to the defense were phony reenactments. Even though the prosecutor knew this, he had failed to inform the defense and it was only during the trial that these facts came to light. For prosecutorial misconduct, the judge ordered the government to pay part of the defense attorneys’ fees — an action almost unheard of in a criminal case. Prosecutor Ron Howen was also was forced to apologize in open court.

      The defense countered the prosecution’s conspiracy arguments by stating that the Weaver family had moved to northern Idaho in 1983 to practice their religion in peace. They wanted to be left alone. It was then alleged that Randy had been set up on the weapons’ charge and that federal agents sought to arrest him when he refused to become an informant. The resulting failure- to-appear charges were then brought because Randy Weaver was given an incorrect court date and then indicted before that date. The defense continued by arguing that the shootout was a direct result of federal agent Arthur Roderick’s actions, in which he killed the Weaver family dog in proximity to Samuel Weaver, which caused Samuel to return fire in self-defense. Finally, the defense claimed that Vicki Weaver was murdered in cold blood by FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi.

      This is the truth and the same account can be found on a lot of different websites. Randy also won a case against the government as it pertained to Ruby Ridge.

  • Kookie

    The Tea Party consists of intelligent, wealthy, honest people who are trying to correct the wrongs in this country. Not like Clinton, Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc… who have low morals to carry on affairs, lie to the public, bribery, and threats to get what they want.

    • William Nealey

      Kookie you are right except we are not wealthy. we care about our country family and friends.unlike the wealthy liberal who only care for what they can rip off. hell they’d sell their mothers for a few bucks,

    • Ruby

      I’m sure they’re not all wealthy. Perhaps a small percentage, which is representative of the demographics of U.S. population.

    • Jana

      Kookie,
      If by wealthy you mean that they have been blessed to live in a free country. YES they and we are wealthy.
      If by wealthy you mean that they have been blessed to pursue all of the benefits that the constitution has given us all the rights to pursue, then YES, they and we are wealthy.
      If by wealthy you mean that we have lived in a country that has thus far been free from having war brought on our soil, then YES we and they are wealthy.
      However, not everyone that goes and supports these TEA Parties are monetarily wealthy.
      We just want our country back.
      We want the Constitution to be honored again.
      We want smaller Government, not a dictatorship like Obama is trying to force on us.

    • momof4

      Kookie,
      You got it!!!!!

      • Lars Jacobs

        Bob Livingston’s anger over Ruby Ridge might be understandable, but his anger toward Bill Clinton makes no sense. That event took place in August of 1992, when Clinton was still governor of Arkansas. Either that detail was overlooked by Livingston, or he thought it was unimportant.

  • http://none JD

    I had the opportunity to view the video of the final attack on the Branch Davidian compound. It showed numerous muzzle flashes as the ATF fired at the people trying to escape from the flames. The “official” report was that the flashes were caused by sunlight reflecting off the gun barrels. That is an outright lie. As anyone who has ever served in the armed forces can tell you, military small arms (as used by the ATF) are anodized specifically so they “will not” reflect sunlight and give away the position of the shooter. The Clinton regime was one of the most corrupt in our history, second only to Obama’s and possibly that of Carter (actually, Carter was just inept). By the way, American Liberal, it is people like you that hate the real America. What you want is a socialist (read that “communist” utopia). It’s people like those presently in power that are destroying the real America.

    • American Conservative

      Linking Tea Partiers to hate, or to racism is thinly veiled hypocrisy. Imagine if these kinds of attacks were leveled at liberals. I thoroughly disagree with large government that costs more than its citizens can honestly afford (thereby bankrupting them and their currency). I disagree with the idea that killing babies is OK just because they’re in their mother’s wombs, much less making every citizen pay for other people to do this. I disagree that it’s OK to marry someone of the same sex, because it wasn’t what we were made for. I disagree with idea that a government should be able to kill people that have strange religious beliefs or want to live in the mountains. These things are what make me a Tea Partier. I live in an area where most of my friends, and even my wife are of a different race than myself. I take great offense being linked with racist groups who preach hate. Hate is not what the Tea Party is about. It’s about freedom. I don’t hate people, just what they stand for. If you don’t hate these things, then I hate what you stand for. I don’t hate without knowing what I’m hating. I’m completely sure about what I hate.

    • William Nealey

      JD you are so right in every statement you made. in all my years as a ground pounder I have never seen the sun reflect off of anyones weapon. and if it had that person would have been in deeep shit for alowing his weapon to get in such a condition to start with. anf I am talking about the old M-1 garands even. but you have to cinsidder. the IDIOT liberals beleive all of the democrats talking points. I have a dear friend who is one of them. I just overlook his idiot remarks and remind him he is mouthing democrat talking points instead of talking from his heart.then he gets a shit eating grin and quites down,

      • Ted Crawford

        So right William! They are still trying to convince those of us with combat experience that the fatal shot at Kennedy was from behind! I’ve seen far too many men hit in my two tours of Nam to buy that lie! Add to that the two combat veterans who stated they heard a shot from behind! Their answer was that echos confused them. The very fact that they survived their tours belies that ignorant statement!! If one can not determine where shots originate from, in combat,he is a dead man!!!

    • Commonsense

      J.D. this is the other J.D. further up the column, I changed my name to commonsense so we don’t get confused.

    • Stan B

      To JD you took the words out of my mouth, god bless America, and all the lovers of this greatest country in the world…Clinton, and Obama are the two biggest pieces of garbage I’ve seen in my 73 yrs..They are both marxist communist and the biggest joke of all times…GOD BLESS ALL TRUE AMERICANS AND MOST OF ALL US TEA PARTY PATRIOTS….

  • Mike Austin,TX

    Why is it liberal protests turn violent and Tea Party ones are not? Look at AZ now. Who are the radical anti-Americans? It is obvious who respects the law and who doesn’t. Clinton’s lame blame game does not hold water. The truth does not cause violence. The coverups do.

    • Jana

      Mike Austin,TX

      Very good point.

  • Gail Marie Florida

    American Liberal, You sound like the hater, listen to your reply, Radicals, teabaggers, small rightwing fringe group, haters. And You are the one with Little facts? Fact: The tea party people just want smaller government..Fact: they stand for Constitutional freedoms, which I may add you enjoy everyday you walk and talk safe in a free country. Fact: They have had no Violence, even the name calling was proved to be a lie from the left. Fact: Aprox 2.3 million went to Washington on 9/12/09.Fact: You will loose every freedom you have if you dont wake up. ” The only thing necessary for evil to triump is for good men to do nothing.” Edmond Burke

    • Barb

      Gail Marie Florida, Great post, thank you for your common sense and for your great answers to Amlib! It always amuses me how they always bring up things like hate and racism blaming us when it’s the libs that are guilty of both!

    • William Nealey

      Gail. god bless you. some one with common sense, you have to overlook the IDIOTS like american liberal. they love to foment trouble and then run and hide while the rest of us clean it up and keep freedoms torch lit.

  • Runninbear

    what you gonna do when they come for you!and sooner or later they will come because they can’t let all this go? they know if they don’t nip it in the bud then it will reach ears that could prove what they(tea parties) are complaining about?and show the real demonizers are from the left? Clinton and the Blus dress showed me I did not have sexual relations with that woman? I guess this is alla lie too!

  • Runninbear

    what you gonna do when they come for you!and sooner or later they will come because they can’t let all this go? they know if they don’t nip it in the bud then it will reach ears that could prove what they(tea parties) are complaining about?and show the real demonizers are from the left? Clinton and the Blus dress showed me I did not have sexual relations with that woman? I guess this is all a lie too!

  • GENE RALEY

    WE ARE EXPERIENCING THE SAME PROBLEM THAT WE HAD WITH WILLIAM JEFFERSON. THE NOMINATION OF PEOPLE IN POSITIONS WITHOUT THE NECESSARY EXPERIENCE TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS.

    BUT IT GOES FURTHER THAN THIS. THE PROBLEM IS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.

    IT IS TIME THAT THE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT IS MODIFIED TO REFLECT THE OVERALL MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS.

    THE DEMS AND REPUBS ARE SO HELL BENT ON DESTROYING ONE ANOTHER THAT THE PEOPLE BEING RULED NEED TO LOOK ELSEWHERE.

    OUR POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT NEEDS TO BECOME INDEPENDENT ONCE AGAIN. WE HAVE LOST THAT AND WE NEED TO GET IT BACK.

  • DogWithoutSlippers

    Hey,American Liberal! How can anyone put any stock in what you say when you can’t even spell article! Maybe you are an imposter American too.

  • Rev Dale D Connel

    It is not surprising that former President Clinton would make such remarks against the Tea Partiers, as gun toting and Bible toting terrorist. As a Viet Nam Veteran and 20 year Veteran of the Air Force I can say this I served to preserve, and protect the Constitution of the United States, as well as serving to protect our country from its enemies foreign and domestic. During that period in the 1960′s ( and retired in 1988), then Mt citizen Bill Clinton was demonstrating against a unpopular war (Viet Nam). He skipped our country to Canada and England, smoked marijuana ( said he di not inhale). As a President, he gave a whole new meaning how to smoke a cigar with an intern, Monica Lewinski and lied that: “I did not have sex with that woman!…”, and also tried to redefine what “is”, “is.” President Clinton is another example of one who does not want to take responsibility for his own actions. Mr Clinton, be careful, when you point fingers, you have three ingers pointing back at you. You may have a slick tongue and feel you are coated with teflon, but, beware, you will one day stand befor God to give an reckoning for your words and actions just like the rest of us. President Clinton you are an embarassment to your country.

    • William Nealey

      AMEN. Rev. Dale. and you are so right about his activities during the vietnam war along with jane fonda tom hayden and many other traitors who should have been charged tried and hanged for seditious and treasonouse actions against the A.S.A. along with bill ayers. but have you noticed how most of them have been rewarded for their actions?? the day slick willie was confirmed for the presidency. I told all of my friends that was a ALAP in the face to all VETERANS,

      • Stan B

        Mr.Nealey, you forgot the biggest jerk from MA JOHN KERRY who commited treason right alone with the rest of them….

        • http://mike_capriv@yahoo.com Anthony Rosales

          Mr. prez indeed. The only good thing this con-man did for the country was prove how great it is to be American: in that anyone can become The President of these United States; AND that ANYONE can become president. Talk about good and bad news.
          The evident flaw in the liberal mantra is their failure to accept that good, decent people of this great country will not just roll over and play dead for you when the libs wag a finger contemptously at you. Really what they need is a serious, LAST warning of the rath to come from those very people come election time. My departed father, a wounded, air combat vet of WWII was a life long Democrat only becoming disaffected when (“my name is”) Jimmy Carter, tried to give away the store my dad, his brother, and other family and friends fought for.
          Now this overgrown frat-boy wants to tell REAL people what we are?

          Billy, I think your wife is calling!!!

    • kate8

      Rev. Dale d Connel, I have utmost respect for you who’ve served in our military. There are, in my family, those both currently serving and retired.

      What I want to know is, since our military is sworn to protect us from all enemies foreign and domestic, when are they going to protect us from those enemies (both foreign and domestic) running our government? Who else can do it?

      We have been undergoing a gradual coup now for decades. It will soon be too late if action isn’t taken soon.

      • DamnYankee32

        Kate8; Iam a Korean vet, spouseof an UASF vet, mother of a Viet Nam vet, and have a grown child serving. The book, we are given in basic states that we are to obey “all lawful orders”. Now define “lawful orders”. In most cases if one does not obey the orders of your noncom or officers, you are subject to discipline, whether it is a slap on the wrist or even prison time. Now if you have ten, fifteen years or more, are you going to say “no” to an order whether it is lawful or not? Many times there is a spouse and children depending on you. Why do you think there is so much drinking or suicide in the military?Why do you think our borders are so porous that illegals can just walk over? Have you ever watched “cop shows”? They are the same as our military, follow orders or else. You can not depend on others. Corruption is rampant everywhere, in corpartions, top military, law enforcement. our federal government. The liberals have forced out any morality. It is now whether “it is politically correct”. The “good guys” are so outnumbered that it is almost impossible to be a “good guy” and get ahead.

  • Chaos Factor

    Randy Weaver is a white supremist racist… He met the undercover agents at Ayran nation meetings ( skinheads and Kkk members)…. Weaver sold the undercover agents illegal weapons that he was told would be resold to inner city gang Banggers … Weaver and Timothy Mcveigh are only Heros to rightwing radicals and oddballs like the baggers and radical republicans….Randy Weaver brought on the Ruby ridge shootout… As did the other rightwing terrorist that this artical attempts to make into heros…The Ayran nation is a prison born gang connected to the rightwing…Bill Clinton was correct…

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Chaos Factor… Do you have any proof of what you claim?

      I consider myself a Tea Partier. I did not make it to Washington for the ‘rally’, but my thoughts were with those who did. I am willing to bet that there are many, many, more like me….

      • Jana

        Robin,
        Chaos Factor is another one of those ANTI AMERICAN INFILTRAITOR here on this site. The secret is he is calling the right wing terrorists. This is part of their rhetoric. We must recognize them for who and what they are.

    • William Nealey

      chaos factor either you didn’t read the full article or you are a damned LIEAR. which is it,

      • Jana

        William Nealey,
        He is the blank liar. He is an ANTI AMERICAN INFILTRAITOR. I spelled it that way on purpose.

    • Right Wing

      Another chaotic masterpiece from CF. I don’t see anyone supporting the likes of Tim Mcveigh or Weaver as heroic except the goading posts by leftys? Do us all a favor and refrain from your unsubstantiated taunts. Instead go find some facts that show Tea Partiers have committed, planned to commit or even slightly support the notion of committing any violent act in forwarding the collective desire to wrest OUR country from the slimy grip of socialism (ie. extreme liberalism/progressivism). What possible motivation does Bill, slack-jaw from arkansas, have in making such a public diatribe anyway?

      The simple point you liberals missed here is that MOST of the people (who are incidentally Americans in the same boat as you) want America to acknowledge it had an affair with socialism, return home, and commit to redirecting itself to stand again as the proud free Republic it is. I don’t see inflamed hatred in most of the comments here that are directed toward race, gender, or religion? The hatred is directed toward unwelcome political ideologies (and their followers) that have persistently eroded the Constitution and redirected the country away from what the majority of Americans want. We the People believe we are the majority and under the founding documents that established this country, We will exercise our right to direct the government to serve US through the power of the vote. As I said, we don’t need guns and pitchforks or any violent acts. So to answer my own question as to why Bill would feel the need to make such a public comment; because those in power fear any group that does not have to commit an unlawful act to accomplish its goals.

      • Funny

        I’m loving all of the hypocrisy. When someone from the Left makes a comment, everyone yell’s show me your proof and if you don’t have proof, you are a liar. And then they follow it up with completely unsubstantiated comments of their own, like McVeigh was a liberal.

        Don’t forget to get God involved, like this would have never happened if he had only received Jesus into his heart. There has probably been more murder in the name of God then for any other reason.

        When all else fails, we’ll grade you on spelling, but we’ll ignore any tea bagger that is butchering the English language.

        Some of the claims are hilarious, Clinton and Gore responsible for 9/11? I’ve heard a lot of conspiracy theories but that one was a first.

        I’ve also see a few Hitler and fascist comparisons. But the Republicans are the ones that just turned Arizona into WWII Germany…”Show me you papers”.

        And seriously, quit talking about what the “majority of Amercian’s” want. I’m pretty sure we hold free elections and your “majority” lost the last big election. Just because you are the loudest, doesn’t mean you are the majority.

        • Jana

          Woops, here is another INFIL TRAITOR!.

    • JeffH

      Chaos Factor, I’ll give you guys a little credit, you keep trying.
      OK, you can leave now, you’ve earned your government stippend for the day. Oh, anyone that believes one word from these hacks, I’ve got some fantastic money making deals for you, and it won’t cost much at all to let you in on it.

      These hacks aren’t even worth a response. Just remember “Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals”!

      • http://none Sharon Tipton

        Seems like anyone that is a Liberal now days, look to the Peaceful Tea Party goers as they see fit, but if they really looked and listend they would of course learn something they didn’t know before – and that is about it. As for Clinton, he is just another lapdog to Obama’s clan.

    • Peter

      Unless we have changed history; the Ayrian Nation aligns itself with the American Nazi Party, now last time I knew, the Nazis were and are LEFTWING. Cranial rectal inversion!

    • kate8

      How come you libs don’t have a problem with Obama’s chums and cohorts, Bill Ayres and the Weather Underground? It is the radicals on the left who love to blow things up. Always has been.

    • granpadirt

      Chaos Factor, you are in fact truly an idiot! The Tea Party is real and you will feel it November.

      • JeffH

        granpadirt, you are truthfull and well spoken…

    • Meteorlady

      You are a liar and should reconsider the errors of your way. If Liberals every want to be anything but a fringe element they need to start looking the truth square in the eye and taking it like the little people they are.

      By David Lohr
      Idaho vs Randy Weaver

      As the gunsmoke began to clear on Ruby Ridge, prosecution of the Weaver case was assigned to U.S. Attorney Ron Howen. Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris were commended to the Ada County Jail and eventually charged with ten counts, including murder, aiding and abetting murder, conspiracy and assault. With the wealth of information to sift through, the trial would not begin for another eight months, during which time Kevin and Randy remained incarcerated.

      On April 13, 1993, a jury consisting of seven women and five men, along with six alternates was selected at the Federal Courthouse in Boise, Idaho, with U.S. District Court Judge Edward J. Lodge presiding. The trial began the following day and ultimately lasted for a total of 36 days. During the trial, the prosecution called 56 witnesses, while the defense, confident that the government would destroy their own case, called none. The entire ordeal was bizarre to say the least and almost everyone of the prosecution’s witnesses contradicted or countered the testimony of a previous witness. The prosecution spent several days going over the Weavers’ religious views, trying to establish that they were racist and had a long-lived conspiracy to violently confront the government. Marshall service witnesses described pre-siege scenarios to root Weaver out of his cabin, however when pressed by the defense, they said they never considered simply knocking on the door and arresting him. In addition, government agents admitted that the FBI had tampered with evidence and that the crime scene photos given to the defense were phony reenactments. Even though the prosecutor knew this, he had failed to inform the defense and it was only during the trial that these facts came to light. For prosecutorial misconduct, the judge ordered the government to pay part of the defense attorneys’ fees — an action almost unheard of in a criminal case. Prosecutor Ron Howen was also was forced to apologize in open court.

      The defense countered the prosecution’s conspiracy arguments by stating that the Weaver family had moved to northern Idaho in 1983 to practice their religion in peace. They wanted to be left alone. It was then alleged that Randy had been set up on the weapons’ charge and that federal agents sought to arrest him when he refused to become an informant. The resulting failure- to-appear charges were then brought because Randy Weaver was given an incorrect court date and then indicted before that date. The defense continued by arguing that the shootout was a direct result of federal agent Arthur Roderick’s actions, in which he killed the Weaver family dog in proximity to Samuel Weaver, which caused Samuel to return fire in self-defense. Finally, the defense claimed that Vicki Weaver was murdered in cold blood by FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi.

  • http://searchin4it2@aol.com Norm Putman

    Well, it’s just another democrat lie and BS, Clinton lied so much and still goes on lying… However not as bad as this Obama person…
    I do not understand something…since this Obama is as bad as he is, just why in hell hasn’t someone started Impeachment action’s?
    He’s lied about his birth certificate, there’s real strong words
    that he was born in Africa… isn’t that cute?
    Also spends millions on keeping these things out of sight…
    Just look at all the lies that he has said from his campaign, he hasn’t kept on thing that he mentioned.
    HAGD

    • JLC

      Norm, Articles of Impeachment must be drawn up in the House of Representatives, and then tried before the Senate. It is obvious that, given todays political atmosphere, this will require a majority in both houses, which we do not have — Yet. But, be patient. WE will!

      • JeffH

        Wise words JLC. Patience is a virtue!

        • JLC

          JeffH, I agree — about patience, that is. Unfortunately, I don’t always have a lot of it for some of the (expletive deleted) on this page. Must be old age catching up with me!

          • JeffH

            JLC, that part I do understand…took me quite sometime to find it.
            never worry about it though, ’cause it comes and goes.

  • Ross Blankert

    The truth about what happened at Ruby Ridge and at Waco may never be given to the American people. Blowing up buildings will not solve the problems we have in this country. There is a group of politicians called “progressives” who are systematically destroying the capitalist system and the country in order to “radically change” America to a communist system. If you “American liberal” want to live in this socialist utopia, move to Russia or China or North Korea. I do not want to live in a place where the government controls everything. I don’t trust them. By the way, when they are done making their radical change, they generally murder millions of those helped them get there. Read your history about Stalin. You are considered a useful idiot. Useful, that is, until they are done and then you know too much and are removed permanently.
    The next step of this very real procedure is to remove all the guns from the population. Only criminals will have guns. That includes the government.

    • kate8

      Ross, you are so right. Every time communisis/Marxists take over, the genocide begins. First those who oppose them, and then the true believers who carried them into power but are no longer useful.

      This has been true for all of history and, in every case, the people didn’t believe it would happen. To think it will be different here is to simply ignore the warnings from the past. Unfortunately, it is human nature to reject what is just to uncomfortable.

      There is only one acceptable solution, and that is to rid ourselves of the vermin now in control. Nothing less than our survival is at stake.

  • Mike Austin,TX

    I suspect if the Gov’t pulled any of those things today, there would be some major retribution going on. The Gov’t went after a guy and his family in a cabin when there are streets full of gangbangers and drugs. What clear and present danger does a woman holding a baby pose? To me, Clinton’s rhetoric is what sparked these types of attacks by the gov’t. They thought they could do anything they wanted. In the cases stated above, the Gov’t was the terrorists.

    • William Nealey

      Mike you are so right,

      • Max

        The core issue here is EVIL. It is everywhere, all of the time. It seeks to destroy and has no boundaries and will eventually destroy itself. It is subtle and confounds truth by means of confusion, by redefining words and there meaning and by offering more choices which simply adds to the confusion. It is like a forest fire raging out of control in the distance and unseen by many due to the multiple smaller fires which are closer and seen by many. Or much like a cyclone, the closer we get, the more we are drawn into it. We don’t realize the danger until it’s too late. Evil spelled backwards is LIVE, to live is to die in utter darkness. Darkness is the absence of light. Jesus is the Light of the world. Die daily to self, for to die daily to self is to live daily for Him which brings us eternal life.
        Therefore daily, put on the full armor of God and you will see the light of truth and discern the evil that abounds in all aspects of humanity.

  • http://viewfromthemiddle.org Gene

    It appears that some may be intentionally polarizing issues. At any rate, it certainly is provoking a lot of anger. Is that the point? To make people afraid and angry? Do we judge rationally when we’re afraid? I think I’m seeing something akin to ethereal “weapons of mass destruction” here. Maybe it would be better to examine the perspectives of all sides and see where everyone (yes, even we) have gone a little wrong. One thing is for certain: Of late, we have done too little thinking prior to taking action. We need to put “shock and awe” behind us.

  • Stuart and Judi Buncher

    I am in possesstion of 2 videos. The one is the newscast live at the aftermath of the explosion at the Murrah Building. The local news station reported that the searching for bodies was halted 4 times when explosives were found attached to the main supports of the building. Mcveighs bomb had set off one of 5 charges. The other video shows tanks attacking the Branch Davidian compound with flames on the barrels of the tanks(flame throwers). The 4 soldiers killed were killed by one of their own who heard shots and threw a grenade into the window,the whole thing was filmed and only a portion show on National news channels. They were actually 4 State Troopers who used too get Clinton his “girls” when he was the Gov of Arkansas.

  • Barb

    It has bothered me from Obama’s 1st day when certain rules were enacted like the word Terrorist was no longer acceptable language. Alquaida were not terrorists anymore just insurgents. Then the Tea Party came along and Ol’ Nappy called us Gray haired Terrorists and all of a sudden that word was no longer forbidden except of course for the real terrorists in the world! There never has been any violence at any Tea Party events but there was one protest in Arizona to protest their new law on immigration led by the Libs and it turned violent! Yet the Tea Party still gets the bad rep, makes no sense to me! But when you have crooks like Obama and Clinton and et al involved along with their bought and paid for media what do you expect? And for your information Am lib, Bill Clinton is doing nothing but inciting trouble and division in our country. It’s his job to go out there and divide this county apart for Obama and keep things festering all the time. The slick, smirky SOB is no better than Obama, and if you can’t see that is what he’s doing then you simply don’t want to face the truth!

    • kate8

      Barb, you speak the truth. Good post.

  • http://www.spokescow.org Mickey de Rham

    I heard a story awhile ago about some people sitting at a bar in Manchester NH.

    The TV’s were playing and a segment came on about the current administration.

    Discussion ensued back and forth between the bar customers.

    After awhile, and voice from a dark corner of the bar, belonging to an older woman, said,

    “We should have picked our own cotton!” That exemplifies a Tea Party member!

  • Troy

    The Tea Baggers are a fraud. It was started by people only seeking to make Obama look bad. The Republican party is unable to stand on it’s own merrits at this time because of GW Bush and the Republican Congress he had. The Tea Baggers formed only to make Obama look evil.

    Republicans, such as former Rep. Dick Armey operating through his FreedomWorks Foundation, helped initiate and fund some of the first tea party demonstrations. The Republican consulting firm, Russo Marsh, organized the “Tea Party Express” bus tour. The same political action committee that raised cash for McCain-Palin raked in the money raised by that tour. And Republican mouthpieces, such as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, hyped the movement.

    If it were a true grass roots organization it could be respected more. Most members are misinformed and underinformed. They get their news from sources determind to make the President look bad. They are an angry group but not really sure why they are so angry. But with so much anger it makes sense to think that at least one of them is unstable enough to do something along the lines of Timothy McVeigh. If you refuse to believe that you are just fooling yourself.

    • American Liberal

      Troy… Good post and accurate… These teabaggers are nothing but Anti American terroist and sheet wearing racist…

      • American

        am lib, I’ve read your posts for a while now and I’ve concluded that you are an unhappy, black man that has nothing better to do with his life than scan conservative websites in order to insert comments hoping they will cause negativity and get us all stirred up. You know, “misery loves company.” We’re all agreed here that this is the way of the true liberal. By blaming other people for your mistakes, lying about others who oppose you to take the spotlight off of your wrongdoings, labeling others as racists (you blacks use that one all the time) or violent (even though it’s your clan that’s violent) so that people won’t take them seriously, these are all ruses of you radical, left-wingers. You’ve realized you can’t win your case by honest means and there are no facts that support your actions as good for us so you try to make us look bad…..typical high school stuff. Are you being paid by a left-wing grassroots organization or by politicians? I can’t imagine that anyone is as lame in their thinking as you are. You constantly dispute real facts which only proves that some people (most liberal politicians) don’t care about the truth or about what’s good for the majority of America’s citizens, only about what they can gain and ingnoring the truth, the facts, if that’s what it takes to reach their personal goals. Normal people learn through history, they learn by seeing the outcome of past actions. Normal people, even those who are extrememly stubborn, still can see the facts. It’s those other people who, come hell or high water, will not under any terms admit that they were/are wrong. I see all of these reply posts to you in which people tell you what an idiot you are and try to make you see how stupid you come across but my suggestion to all is to simply ignore you. They’re never going to make you understand because you are one of those who will not admit when you’re wrong and you will always defend those lawmakers who continue to support those who feel entitled to government handouts. I dont see you as a threat or as anyone who can give me facts or good advice. I see you as the bully in the neighborhood who acts out because no one likes him. You just need a little attention but perhaps you could find true happiness and inner peace if you would get off of your soapbox and pick up your Bible.

        • Right Wing

          Well put American but still too much of a logic-based tack that will only fuel the fire liberals spread in conservative neighborhoods. Look at history, when a riot breaks they loot and burn their own neighborhoods. Why? Because in their warped perspective they act like spoiled, dependent children that demand their parents cleanup after them. When you threaten to break the cycle they become violent. It is the natural order of things and they cannot help themselves anymore than the child throwing a tantrum. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Remember tact is the ability to tell someone they are open minded when they really have a hole in their head.

          • kate8

            Insightful observation, RW!

          • Shar

            READ “THE SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE” ON THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS WEBSITE. SOOOOOOOO TRUE!! THESE PRESIDENTS ARE SUCH PUPPETS.
            NOW BEHIND THIS PUPPET WE HAVE RAHM EMANUEL WHO HAD DUAL CITIZENSHIP AND WORE AN ISRAELI UNIFORM WHEN HE WAS 18!! GO FIGURE. HIS BROTHER EZEKIEL EMANUEL WROTE MOST OF THE HEALTH CARE “REFORM”! UCK! AND B.O. MADE FUN OF AMERICANS LAST SATURDAY NIGHT AT THE CORRESPONDENCE DINNER SAYING “LOTS OF STUFF TUCKED INTO THAT REFORM”. WOW – WE AMERICANS – I’M SO GLAD SO MANY OF US ARE GETTING A BACKBONE!

          • Mick

            Can you type without yelling. Where do you get your gibberish you come up with?

          • Mick for thought

            He was telling jokes. One was about John Baner’s (sp)exemption for spray on tan.

        • Meteorlady

          Sorry but in my opinion Am Lib is not smart enough to be black.

          • Steve

            I can’t decide if Clinton reminds me more of Bozo the clown, or some obscure cartoon character. Joe H. nicknamed him “Clintoon” some months back. Joe H, were you thinking of Elmer Fudd? ;-) Trouble is, Elmer Fudd has/had way more character than Clintoon.

      • gregory

        GIVE IT UP A.L , YOUR COMMIE THOUGHT DOESNT WORK HERE ANYMORE!

    • MSSouth

      The Tea Party is a grassroots drive to have smaller government. As far as I know of,(and I was in the first movement in my state) no one has financed any of the demonstrations. As for making the man in the White House look bad, we don’t need to do a thing for that to happen. He is taking care of that business on his own. I pray daily that my Lord will open the eyes and ears of the people of this great country so that they will see the evil that is coming against this great nation.

      • Commonsense

        Amen South! Even with all the pseudo-news companies downplaying his poor politics and lying to anyone to get his agenda going. For example, while watching his get together with the senate on c-span he promised 4 senators that none of the health care money would be spent on abortions. That’s how he got them onboard. Then, 2 weeks ago, on ABC news, I heard him promise Womens Rights Activists the he would make sure that the Supreme Court would recognize womens’ rights to abortion through the same bill. How in the sam hill does that work??? Its called speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Like you said he is showing his poor politics without any help from anyone.

    • Meteorlady

      Troy – where’s the links to what you have alleged? I’d be interested.

      • Jana

        Meteorlady, I would be interested in knowing too. If there are organizations out there that help organize differnt things, (and we know there are,) then the Tea Party Express could have set it up with them to help them organize it. However, it was a CONSERVATIVE movement, not a Republican or Democrat movement, just CONSERVATIVE, no matter how much the Socialists proclaim otherwise. If they want to start pointing fingers lets look at who is sponsoring the Liberal movements, Socialists and Communists. So go get that log out of your own eye TROY!

  • American Liberal

    I never had any doubt that these rightwingers were Aryan nation , KKK and Skinhead supporters … Now they’ve comeout in support of the white supremist groups…and of course with a bible in hand…

    • Barb

      Wow Amlib you’re hyper- ventilating! You’re also crazy but then we already knew that! As you well know we, the Tea Party are just the opposite of what you ranted here. We are true American patriots, not hate driven but fear driven. Fearful of what is happening to our country, our Constitution, our freedoms and our Liberty and justice. Fearful of what our children and grandchildren will have to face if we don’t do something now. We are also driven by love, love of our country, our friends, families, way of life. Unlike you disillusioned morons who want everything handed to you on a silver platter, you who hate everything and everyone who doesn’t think in the same warped drugged out manner that you do. You are the racists, the haters of everything and the ones prone to violence while singing a “Peace” song! You are the most pathetic poster on this site always and I really do feel sorry for you!

    • Commonsense

      With your pathetic spelling,maybe you should doubt more. My ten year old son was reading your rants and looked at me and said,”This guy must have had a lot of problems understanding in school to spell this bad.” So now you have the sympathy of a ten year old.I personally think you are totally funny in a “dumb and dumber” sort of way. There’s just no way I can take you seriously. I don’t know anybody who misspells this bad without trying. I am going to ask the same question I asked a couple of weeks ago. Are you for real? Or should I say,”R ewe four reele?”.

    • Tomh0700

      You know, AM lib, I was just content to read all these comments as I stayed above the fray and observed but you, sir are terribly mistaken. As a member of the Tea Pary movement in my state I have seen nothing of the kind, (skinheads, Timothy McVeigh wannabe’s, etc.). to the contrary, I have been to these rallies, (obviously you haven’t), and seen just everyday people like myself (I can’t speak for you), who work hard every day and want to preserve what they truly believe is being eroded away in this country by this, and previous administrations. We’re simply tired of unresponsive government. The disgraceful “votes” in Congress on major legislation (Stimulus and Healthcare) are just two examples where the majority of the American people resoundingly did not want it and it was simply, fraudently shoved down our throats. In addition, Not only is there no violence at these rallies, we pick up our trash too. Find that at one of those liberal “peaceful demonstrations”.
      P. S. You need to take a 2nd grade phonics class so that you can learn how to spell!!

    • JeffH

      When are some of you egular posters going to wise up? Is that even possible? This is a PLANT, someone that is paid to stir up and create choas on this website.
      Everytime he gets you on the defensive, Am Lib has suceeded and sits back laughig with his fellow hacks…try to show just a little common sense as most of you already know the game by this guy and his fellow hacks. You’re responding to his totally outrageous comments.

      Always remember the first rule of power tactics (pps.127-134):

      1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.”

      2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat…. [and] the collapse of communication.

      3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

      4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

      5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”

      6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”

      7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time….”

      8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”

      9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”

      10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.”

      11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside… every positive has its negative.”

      12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”

      13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and ‘frozen.’…

      “…any target can always say, ‘Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?’ When your ‘freeze the target,’ you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments…. Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the ‘others’ come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target…’

      “One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.”

      • Sally S.

        American Liberial is a PLANT! Oh no! Maybe some rightwing friend of his sent him this web sight in hopes to change to mind and he just found out how much fun it is to play with you guys.

        That’s how I found this. My rightwing extremist cousin thought I should read it and sent it to me. If you want to keep the liberals away don’t invite us. LOL.

        • JeffH

          The greatest part of having you “liberals” on this site is that we all get to see how you all are “trained” to think. It’s so obvious the lack of substance that most of you convey through the jibberish you pass on here. It’s become quite amusing.

    • Sidewinder

      You really can’t claim to know the hearts and minds of every Tea Party member. That kind of gross generalization is no different than the kind used in racial stereotyping. You knew 1 or 2 bad ones, so assume the rest of them are all carbon copies.
      Wheres the liberal individualism now?

      • Lisa Jones

        Kind of like when they think every liberal is only looking for a hand out.
        However the videos I’ve seen of the Tea Party are not a very pretty sight. Spitting on our congressmen and tormenting that poor man with parkinsons. I can admit that we need to curb the amount of handouts from the government. But there are people out there in this country that truely need help. The private sector isn’t going to help them. They need government assistance.
        It seems to me that with 535 people in congress that we could come up with a plan to help those that truely need help, and weed out those that are freeloaders. But instead of working together the play party politics and don’t get anything done. During Bush the Democrats were the party of no, now the Republicans just say no to everything. If you truley want to change washington then change it. That means get rid of the whole bunch of them and keep doing it until they start to represent the people that hold this country together, The Middle Class.
        Right now they have you right where they want you. Fighting each other between the parties. We are all Americans and it’s time we throw these do nothing washington bums out. Who are the free loaders? Does your congressman really deserve $174,000 a year plus all the other benifits they receive? I would say no! Vote the bums out now and stop the freeloading washington politicians.

        • Doug

          Please link me to the video you talk about that shows and actual Tea Party member spitting on someone! Also the Tea Party is not about party it about conservative values and limited government. I agree with you that almost all in Washington need to be thrown out! But don’t stop there look at your local government (city) your county government, state government most all of these individuals are getting paid better than most of us who work are asses off and then retire with guarantee retirement. Its time to fix the scam we all need to wake up! The unions are just as bad as the politicians I for the life of me can’t figure out why people want to give up their wages to support these non working non productive stiffs!

    • kate8

      The KKK were all democrat, AL.

    • andrew forrer

      THAT TEARS IT AM-LIB,YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FOOL I HAVE EVER HAD THE GUTS TO READ,MAYBE ONE DAY YOU WILL GROW UP BUT I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT

    • gregory

      POOR MISGUIDED COMMIE, FIND JESEUS!

    • Meteorlady

      helloooooooooo – it was democrats who started, nurtured and supported the KKK.

  • shearwater

    Bill Clinton is a terrorist . . . his state police in Arkansas, stood outside a motel room while he raped a woman by the name of Juanita Broderick, attending a elder care convention in Little Rock. Who is the terrorist? Bill Clinton allowed the Branch Davidians to be attacked by tanks and guns, ultimately killing over 80 people, many of them children. Who is the terrorist? Admittedly, David Koresh was a demented lost soul as were his followers. But there is a better way to handle outrages like that. So, Mr. Clinton, who is the terrorist?! Democrats always try to paint a very different picture and then drum up their rhetoric to get public support for a very different paradigm . . . and . . . eventually are able to convince those who get their orders from a propagandist and a talking points chief.

  • Kimmie

    Has anyone noticed the Tea Party seems to be losing steam? Turn out on tax day was low. Just go to show most are only looking for their 15 minutes of fame. What a group.

    • Barb

      Kimmie,
      Not real sure where you were on tax day or what Lamestream Lie you watched but the numbers were up all over the country, SORRY! Only in your dreams deary, we are growing everyday and will continue to!

      • American Liberal

        Kimmie… Don’t even bother with Barb… She’s a nitwit… She actually posted Friday that president Obama has spent 13 trillion dollars since he’s been in office… She typical of the teabaggers… Not very bright..

        • Barb

          If you are going to quote me Amlib please get it right. I said 13 trillion and counting!!!! I could give you an accounting of all his spending but you wouldn’t be able to comprehend one tenth of it and you would refuse to believe it anyway so why bother! You two are the nitwits!

          • http://www.freespeechpolitics.us Helene

            I would not know a Bible from a comic book if I tripped over it. I am not Christian. I am not a right-wing extremist. In fact I always vote Democratic because I never gave two hoots about politics before. I do not own a gun or anything that I can use for protection. Timothy McVeigh I believe was a right-wing extremist, but still on the left of the U.S. spectrum. The European spectrum is right and left, but the right is still on the left with respect to U.S. standards. The U.S. is an entity in and of itself and unmatched anywhere in the world. I believe Timothy McVeigh, as evil as he was, was a pawn used by our own government to cause a crisis. That is what saved Clinton his presidency. There are too many witnesses saying they saw Tim McVeigh with other men several times before the bombing in Oklahoma City. Nichols, his co-hort in crime has been trying to tell people this but is being censored.

            If you consider people with 190 I.Q.’s, ignoramuses, so be it. I consider those on the left dummified by a decade + of indoctrination by the left who do not realize they have been duped.

            When the Tea Party people get together there is lots of singing and honoring of our troops, (even though I personally do not believe we should be at war at this time), and niceness all the way around.

            On the other hand, when the leftists get together there is shouting and rioting and hate spewing – anti-war, anti-Jews, pro-Chevez, pro-Mao, Pro-Che, Pro-Lenin.

            This weekend in Santa Cruz there was protesting by pro-immigration reform people. They were not supervised by riot police, as the Illinois Tea Party grandmothers were. They make their point by rioting and causing chaos. At another pro-immigration rally they made their point by saying they will kill people with axes.

            Tea Party people are not anti-immigration. They just want it done legally like they did it or ancestors did it.

            What is happening in the U.S. are 12 deaths per day from illegal aliens. The illegals coming in are probably for the most part good, decent, law-abiding people. They should be welcomed here, but legally. Let us bring them in, give them green cards, help them find work, give them Social Security cards, etc. However, mixed in with people we will let in with open arms are the criminals with drugs and guns who are kidnapping people and killing people, etc. This is why the good immigrants need to be regulated–to weed out the bad people.

            Helene

          • Dave

            Clinton was dis-barred for lying under oath and impeached. The guy championed NAFTA and GAT. He attended Builderburg by his own admission. Bill Clinton is at least a traitor, and is afraid of anyone who would stand up for truth or the rule of law. Don’t get me wron, GWB was also a piece of trash. Patriot Act, Iraq, Bail-Outs, and never vetoing a single spending bill. Tea Party folk have the assembly part down, but they need to do a bit more reading. Republican and Democrats alike are part of the CFR, Builderburg, TriLateral Commission etc. These are the people selling out our country to the international bankers. The shadow government is the real enemy, and Clinton is a willing accomplice to their plans. And Palin???? Please. There are pictures of her on the web meeting with Henry Kissinger. Any friend of his is an enemy of the state.

          • JPW-

            Body count under George Bush Three thousand plus on 911 invading Afganistam & Iraq into the hundreds of thousands after one person if you could call him that.I know it’s just collateral damage all these dead people.

          • Jim H.

            JWP, There is a difference in casulty’s of war and having someone who is inconvenient bumped off. So don’t sit there so smug, your not as clever as you think.

          • rjg

            Jim you don’t honestly believe that Clinton was having inconveinient people done away with, do you?

          • Jim H.

            rlg, yup!

          • Ted Crawford

            Helene; Good post! Thank you!!

          • Airangel

            Helene…so true about the illegal law-breakers and violence and slave trafficking and gangs!

          • Troy

            I would like an accounting of his spending.

          • Barb

            Sally S,
            I was in a public building just two weeks ago. This very sweet very old lady was sitting in the lobby minding her own business praying the Rosary. Some guy took offense to it even though she was whispering to herself and told one of the uniformed workers there. She was asked to please stop as it bothered this guy. She stopped and sat and cried . This is what I meant by not being able to pray in public. I went over and told the same uniformed worker that the jerk who complained bothered me as did several others. After seeing how out numbered the SOB was, he left. The little old lady resumed her praying. We made sure no one bothered her too! We didn’t give our country away, people like you took it a little at a time from us and it took a rotten, slimy snake like Obama for us to awaken and finally say NO MORE! You people took our country in little steps and we’ll take it back a lot faster. And no I don’t believe it’s just Mexicans that are illegal, but it’s the Mexicans that have brought all this to a head and have brought so much crime and illegal activity with them. I have no problem with immigrants coming and making a new life here so long as they do it the right way and want to be Americans first! Most of the illegals don’t want to be American just want our free hand outs! If you don’t believe that, too damn bad.

          • Airangel

            You go girl! I’m right there with ya!

          • http://PersonalLiberty Global Mamma

            kimmie, Conservatives and Christians don’t kill people. I in no way believe that the person(s) involved in killing Dr. Tiller where either. I could sooner believe that a liberal or liberals were responsible for that act, just to try to make Pro-life people look bad. Just as it is known they are doing the same with the Tea Party people.

            It is liberal looters who have no repect for LIFE, as they demand to have the right to MURDER innocent babies.

          • Kimmie

            We need to end abortion! We need all those unwanted children to grow up and join the military so we can kill them when they turn 18 by sending them off to fight useless wars started by they USA.

          • Right Wing

            Wow, you are warped.

          • Kimmie

            Come on admit it. You’re glad Dr. Tiller is dead. You think he deserved to die because he killed babies. Right?

          • Kimmie

            Speaking before his sentencing, Roeder blasted Tiller, quoted the Bible at length and argued the slaying was justified because he was protecting the unborn.

            “You have the power to acquit and if you were to obey the higher power, God himself, you would acquit me,” Roeder told the judge, Warren Wilbert, before the sentence was handed down.

          • JeffH

            All it proves is that the Liberals aren’t the only nuts in the can!

          • Kimmie

            Sorry Bob. I get carried away. Will behave.

          • laura

            kimmie- your just a gumball, something you chew up and spit out.
            How’s that for a bumper sticker.

            GOD BLESS AMERICA

          • rjg

            Hi Kimmie

            You shouldn’t be calling people teabaggers its not nice. It also gives people an excuse to not take you serious. However Bob is not really being impartial by calling you out on your posts as your opponents have been equally vile.

            Cheers Kimmie

          • JeffH

            rjg, you really don’t have a clue about Bob’s comment to Kimmie do you?
            You’ll have to figure it out for yourself.

          • JUST SAY NO to bigger government

            Yeah Kimmie, like your apology really means a lot! Like the rest of your posts here, it is WORTHLESS just like YOU, and all your alter egos.

          • Claire

            Be easy on her. She just needs to grow up.

          • laura

            kimmie- SOOOOO we’re supposed to feel sorry for tiller and not all those “unwanted children he murdered ” as you put it. I for one am glad he’s not around to murder innocent children any more.Hopefully he made his peace with the LORD.
            And by the way there are no UNWANTED CHILDREN, maybe unwanted by their selfish mothers, but there are thousands of people out there who WANT that UNWANTED child.
            I’ve said it once I’ll say it again when a women becomes pregnant it is no longer her body,it is a home to a little baby and that baby is not a “FETUS”.

            GOD BLESS AMERICA

          • rjg

            Hi Global Momma

            Lets try and stick to facts and reality. I presume you are pro-life and I will respect your opinion on that. But there is no conspiracy by liberarls to frame conservative christians for killing abortion doctors. Not all conservatives and christians are bad but a few bad apples haved killed abortion doctors and that is a fact.

            Good Day

          • Right Wing

            Barb, you hit it. It has been a slow turning of the ship by degrees that we got to where we are. And BO is the catalyst for REAL change. Now everyone grab the wheel and pull. It is time to get back on course.

          • Kimmie

            You ain’t seen nothing yet. Just wait. We have six more years with President Obama.

          • Right Wing

            SHHHHH Kimmie…this is an adult conversation.

          • JeffH

            Barb, by design, you have become the focus of the attack.

            Alinsky says:

            Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and ‘frozen.’…

            “…any target can always say, ‘Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?’ When your ‘freeze the target,’ you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments…. Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the ‘others’ come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target…’

          • Troy

            Barb,

            Do you have that ready yet? I keep checking but nothing.

          • kate8

            JeffH, I was a bit aback when AL launched his first attack on me with such vehemence. But after a few volleys, I figured I must be doing something right to be singled out by the progressive camp.

            So what we need to keep in mind is that when we become a target, it is because we hit a button, and the only way libs can react is with ridicule and insults.

            It just shows them for who they are.

          • kate8

            JeffH, I meant to say “taken aback”.

          • JeffH

            kate8, it’s actually a compliment to be “singled out and attacked”. Thus, you have been deemed a threat to their game. That, in itself, is a great moral victory!

            The liberals, also known as: “The Revolutionary force today has two targets, moral as well as material. Its young protagonists are one moment reminiscent of the idealistic early Christians, yet they also urge violence and cry, ‘Burn the system down!’ They have no illusions about the system, but plenty of illusions about the way to change our world.” Alinksky

          • chuck b

            denniso

            your wrong as usual. the government could have arrested coresh at almost anytime on his trips to town. clinton and reno were making these people out as anarchist and militia types and claimed they were an armed camp ready to do battle with the great clinton admin. as usual the liberals screwed it up, in killing men, women and children. remember clinton saying well its my fault this is were the buck stops (like hst). and as usual the liberals went on their merry way without remorse.

        • gregory

          BRIGHTER THAN A COMMIE LIKE YOU!

      • Kimmie

        Barb,

        What is it exactly you are against?

        What is the Tea Bagger Solution on how to fix it?

        • Stan B

          Are you kidding KIMMIE, what does Barb want ???? The same thing I want, to take MY COUNTRY back from those marxist Communist jerks in our WHITE HOUSE, that hang a xmas bulb with a picture of chairman MAO the S.O.B> that murdred 100 million of his own people, then said thats OK thats all the less we have to feed, that what Obama the commie thinks he can do to us, by spending so much money that it will destroy the greatest country in the world, then Gorge the commie Soros and all the cronies on the left will take over the USA, because of morons like you will let them….To fix it nov 2th we will fix it, and take our country back, and kick out morons like you that want free hand outs…I’m a veteran of 8 yrs and fought to keep the freedom even for you dirt bags in the GOV…Can you dig this ok with your brain ?? GOD BLESS USA and in 2011 IMPEACH that commie OBAMA….AMEN

          • Barb

            Stan B Thank you for the passionate explanation! It’s everything that Stan said Kimmie and so much more. Basically we want our country back, the way it was and the way it was meant to be before you pot smoking, free loving, what’s in it for me, progressive, give it to me, I don’t want to work for it, socialistic libs came on the scene. Now we can’t talk about our religion in public, we certainly can’t pray in public, our language is being taken over by Mexico and you progressives keep taking more and more of our liberties away. Meanwhile the Muslims have to be given time 5 different times a day during their work day to pray on the work site, every other religious holiday is taught and honored in the public schools except Christian and you constantly try to take God out of our everyday lives. Then you turn around and tax us to death in the name of Spreading the Wealth and you want to know what we Tea Party people want? It’s obvious we could explain forever and you idiots will never get it, you are on the receiving end of the spreading of the wealth so you don’t want to see the truth!

          • Kimmie

            No sign of Hostility here is there? LOL And the Tea Baggers wonder why people see them as a threat. I usually respect our veterans because they give to our county. They put their life on the line for our country and do what they are told no matter how wrong the cause is. But buddy, you are out there. Communisnm doesn’t work. Why would the USA government even think of trying it? The USSR fell. Why would we wnat to follow their example? Please turn off Glenn Beck and Rush. They are nothing more then entertainers trying to make money. There’s nothing wrong with that, bgut when you watch them you must keep that in mind.
            Has anyone noticed Glenn Beck Ratings have been going down down down?

          • Sally S.

            Well Barb, that is quite a rant. Why can’t you pray in public? Often times I go to the park and sit and listen to the birds sing and pray. I don’t think God really cares where we pray as long as we do it. Maybe you are using it for an excuse not to pray to your god. I don’t know.
            My kids get off school for Christmas and Good Friday. They are the only religous holidays they get off school. Could it be you are jelous that Muslims get to pray 5 times a day? But my boss is Muslim and he hardly gets time to take lunch. (By the way, he’s white.) It is wrong that so many come here from Mexico illegally. I’ll give you that. But it’s not this President’s fault. Many before him decided to ignor the problem. But this is America and everyone should be able to come here to make a better life. I wonder, if you go into a Chineese resturant, do you assume that the Chineese people that are there are illegal? Or is it only Mexicans that you assume are illegal? How can you tell who is legal and who isn’t? It’s intersting that you say you want to take your country back. Why did you give it away in the first place?

          • Jana

            Barb,
            Keep up the good work. The only hostility I see is from Kimmie and Sally S. Just read what they say and you can plainly see they are Socialists and proud of it.

          • libertytrain

            Jana – they seem to have the same writing style – I wonder if they are the same person -

          • Jana

            Poor Sally, nothibng is ever gonna be your “President’s fault”. Sure, he is just along for the ride. NOT! He ran on change didn’t he? He ran on ttransparency didn’t he? He is a grwon man and can change things for the better and stop all of this but he does NOT want to. He wants to CHANGE our country to a Socialist country. That is the WRONG CHANGE. Open your eyes and see what is going on.

            Libertrain you may be right, as Kimmie and Sally do have the same writing style and thinking style too. Ignorant and Socialistic.

          • Jana

            And before I get called down for the misspellings, I was just typing too fast and didn’t proofread. See Claire, you aren’t the only one that can goof like that LOL

          • Meteorlady

            Every time Ruby Ridge and Waco come up I am saddened that I am an American. I fear my government more and more and I don’t like what happened at all. Randy just wanted religious freedom and to be left alone to raise his family; David was a nut case but could have been picked up off the street as he jogged by; and Timothy had to have had help in order to plant charges or in any event, he came to the notice of the FBI long before he did what he did.

            Here’s another example of “freedom” in this country. Some years back a Dr. Jonathan Wright (world renowned for his alternative medicine) had his offices raided by the FDA. The agents were wearing flack jackets and had their automatic weapons at ready. The busted into his waiting room where there were some 40 elderly people waiting for treatment, confiscated his computers and all records they could find, and left the premises. A grant jury investigation was held without the presence of Dr. Wright and his attorney. One or two years later his records and equipment were quietly given back with no indictment, criminal charges, or an apology from the government. This all happened because local doctors and drug companies, fearing that he was too successful and taking away their business, claimed that he was dispensing illegal drugs and using fringe medicine. He was found not guilty on all charges. To this day if you enter his office, you will see signs that tell government enforcement types to go through the court system to get legal search warrants and permission to enter the premises.

            Nice to know our government is out there taking care of us.

          • JeffH

            Meteorlady, you’re obviously one of many who understand.

        • JeffH

          8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”

          10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.”

          Meanwhile, each crisis — real or contrived — will be used by today’s “change agents” to raise the dissatisfaction, passion and justification needed to speed the planned change.[11] Alinsky

          “We are on the verge of a global transformation,” said David Rockefeller. “All we need is the right major crisis…”[

        • Kimmie

          Barb,
          I don’t smoke pot and I never have. I never took a thing from you. It’s your generation that let things run amuck. Why do you blame me for wanting to get things fixed. If you hadn’t elected loser after loser and kept electing the same losers over and over things would be differnt. Now it’s a mess and you’re trying to blame the current guy in charge. Don’t blame him, blame yourself, you’re the ones that elected the goof ball spend happy conservitives like Regan and Bush.

          • Doug

            Kimmie and all now smoking pot is the problem. No what the problem is what goes on between your ears. Because the past screw up means to you that we should keep on screwing up? You want to come into this country and learn the language and want to work and come in legally than there would be no problem. And you can’t look at man or woman or look at their body of work and realize they are full of crap, that’s the problem I will run cirles around anyone of you with one leg and arm tied behind my back and be able to come up with a clear and original thought on like most progressives that follow or believe that the govt. is got your best interest at heart.

    • Love Freedom

      If you want to change the state of the country, you do it at the ballot box. Research the candidates and do your homework, know what they believe in! Go sign up to work in the polls so we have fair and free elections! You still steal an election at the ballot box (even though it’s electronic now)! We need poll workers that are fair and uphold the laws that govern the election process. I have worked in the polls for years, we are in need of younger workers that are law abiding and educated in how our system of government works. If you are a American Patriot then show up and vote! Those that can, work in the polls! We can make a difference! Your vote does still count and they add up!

    • Meteorlady

      That’s OK Kimmie – most conservatives are just biding our time until the next election. We use the internet to converse with each other and don’t really need to show up for an event because the news media just covers a slanted version anyway.

  • Lou Mangi

    Clinton is a US embarrassment every time he talks he shows off his ignorance. He is a hero to the left but everyone else wishes he would just go away.

    • JBR

      Another one that should go away is Jimmy Carter, who, until BHO was the worst president of in my lifetime. Slick Willie and Jimmy the Peanut Farmer… what a pair to draw to!

      • kate8

        Why is it that past democrat presidents never seem to go away? They constantly seek the limelight and continue to push their agendas forever. We can never get rid of them.

        • Lisa Jones

          Because they are younger and live longer after they are president. Regan was what like 80 years old when he left office. Bush senior is now in his 80s. Bush Jr. just plain knows better then to say anything now. Nixon was a crook. Ford was never even elected.

          • kate8

            Being younger has its drawbacks, such as lacking in wisdom.

    • Kimmie

      Kinda like the crazy lady from Alaska. Most of just wish she would go away but the press seems to find her very entertaining.

      • American

        Hhhmmm, intersting that you should use the word “media” here Kimmie. It’s the media that won’t let Sarah Palin go away. Mrs. Palin has been such a strong, intelligent voice, a positive influence on the conservative party and caused many to finally stand up for what they believe in that the liberals are terrified of her. The MSM, who so love and swoon over the liberals, have watched every move she makes hoping to find something negative to report about her. They even go so far as to make thngs up and twist the truth to discredit her. They can’t make her sit down and shut up but, if they were smart they would have simply ignored her. Of course, we all know just how smart they really are (not) so they’ve done the opposite and made her a mega, super star. Sarah Palin may have been all but forgotten by now if it hadn’t been for the “lefties” keeping her in the spotlight. So, if you have a problem with Palin you need to be talking to your own party about that.

        • American

          Pardon me, I made a mistake. You didn’t use the word “media”, you used “press” but it’s the same thing.

          • Cliff Buchanan

            This will only get worse as the November Elections get near,,,,,

            The Democrates know,,,, that the people or onto thier scams,,,it is not only the Tea Party,,, I have neighbors that do not belong to the Tea Party, and they feel the same as we do,,,,,

            I would like to ask “”Slick Willie”" about the repeal of “”The Glass Stegall Act”"” LOL,,,,,,and “”White Water”"”

            God Bless all of you !!!!!!!!!

            cliff

          • Jana

            American,
            Its a good thing you explained it to Kimmie because K is not very smart. It shows in the way she writes and and thinks. Poor thing is led around by the nose and she isn’t smart enough to know it.

          • http://PersonalLiberty Global Mamma

            Yes, Mike N., my husband keeps track of every penny earned and every penny spent and when he figures ALL the taxes he pays it truly is closer to 50%!!!! Everyone really needs to figure all those taxes paid. It’s crazy that we let ourselves be burdened so.

            By the way, we spent about $1,000/yr. to educate THREE children, no vouchers(which I wouldn’t accept anyway, because what the gov. supports, it also controls) and on top of that we had to pay TAXES that support the wealth-robbing holding tanks that dumb the children down!! How fair is that?
            Home education costs much, much less and does a better job.
            My children’s bosses are blown away by their intelligence, honesty and willingness to work hard—and they are self-motivated.

          • http://PersonalLiberty Global Mamma

            Yes kimmie, liberals are LOOTERS!!!!!

          • JeffH

            Dick Morris Reveals Bombshell on Waco and Janet Reno and Clinton.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyMi14ffHH4&feature=player_embedded

        • Palin12

          You are so right, American! When the so-called “Troopergate scandal” came out, it made front page news at the New York Times, but when it was ultimately dismissed, it made a small column on page 8. It was typical of many more frivolous lawsuits filed against Sarah, and the way the MSM embellished the news when they thought it would make Sarah look bad, all the while burying any news that might make her look good. It’s obvious she frightens the liberals more than anyone else.

      • kate8

        I find it interesting that you libs are always comparing Sarah Palin with presidents instead of her contemporaries.

        Kind of shows where you see her as a threat. We would do well to look to those most ridiculed and attacked by the left, as they are the ones the left most fears.

        • JeffH

          kate8…isn’t that the truth!

          • Markus

            Wake up people! This is all a scam, everything on T.V. is a scam and this administration is doing the scamming. Lies, lies, lies and more lies. Obama is a Marxist, he is deliberately bankrupting this country along with all his Marxist buddies. It is time to stand up for truth, stop being brainwashed, and get your selfish heads out of the sand. Go out and take a stand against this takeover of our country, impeach Obama and put him in jail for TREASON!!!!!!!!!! Your family is going to perish under this “president”, don’t you get it???? This guy is an enemy to the founding fathers, to the soldiers who have died for our freedoms and to us REAL CITIZENS of the United States of America. WAKE UP!!!!!!! Your very lives are at stake you naive, brain dead, idiots!!!!! All you liberals out there, we are not going to stand for your insanity anymore, you will be met with as much vitriol, as much force, whatever you give, you will get back. We are done and the “silent majority” ISN’T SILENT ANYMORE. So get ready, were not giving up our country to you Marxists easily.
            TO YOU CONSERVATIVES, GOD LOVING, FREEDOM LOVING CHRISTIANS—-NO MORE, GET UP, GET OUT THERE, AND GET ENGAGED NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            OUR VERY EXISTENCE AND OUR FAMILIES IS AT STAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Mick for thought

            Do you just have Glenn Beck downloaded straight to your brain. Are you incapable of objective thought. Or are you actually Glenn Beck chatting away in this little room we are sharing.

            By the way as a retired soldier I was delighted to see President Obama take some time and consider our strategies in the middle East rather than tossing soldiers into the fray like so much cannon fodder as his predecessor did.

    • Charlie

      Exercising a right guaranteed by the First Amendment to speak freely, On Tv I remember when Ms Clinton sat and lied about knowing Flowers Clintons girlfriend It is a uniquely American experience to have a good Tea party for the betterment.
      Maybe Clinton should think a little harder about who the terrorists might be.
      Judge not least ye be judged . Clinton passed a bill double dipping Senior citizen social security checks Taxes taken out when working deducted from payroll ck and when filing taxes has to declaired as income and pay tax again.. now no increase to match living expense. And we should listen to Mr Clinton. His wife also about the border? If Federal government or her husband would have taken action The Govenor of AZ would not have had to. But she is protecting the American tax payer citizens. Not races but people entering illegally across the borders We dont need guns given to Mexico and war lords and sumglers Drugs back across the border to USA. Go Tea party speak for whats right! diff subject :I am not sure if the Health care Bill ever got signed by Congress the amendant that went from house to senate to president? Did Congress ever get to read and sign the final Health bill and the amendant?

    • eddie47d

      Butch at 7:16am made a mocking remark so here’s a reply. Bush and his goon Cheney were responsible for thousands of deaths in Iraq and probably for the rise of Amandenajad. That might not be totally true but just as assinine as your drivel.

    • Meteorlady

      Clinton doesn’t care if he’s an embarrassment – he gets around $1 mil now for speaking. He made approximately 40 million in 2007 for public speaking engagements.

  • Colo43

    we have a case here of Washington big wigs calling the shots for the U.S. of A.
    None of them any good- one can’t produce his Birth Cert and the other a draft dodger/womanizer.
    I’d rather have the common man off the streets running the country than what is in there now.

  • Tone88

    It’s easy to tell what a socialist progressive is afraid of – what they do not accuse us normal constitution-loving Americans of being. When they say “fringe” – they are terrified that we are 70% of this country and comprise all parties. When they say “Hate”, they wretch at our love of our Republic. American Liberal does not live in our rational world – and probably not in any American place I know (except a coffee shop in San Fran)…

  • Brooks Catlin

    Obama doesn’t need any keep from the Tea party to look bad, he’s doing a good job of that on his own.

    • Jana

      Brooks Catlin,
      hahaha you said it, and you said it very well.

  • Al Sieber

    The Tea Party was started with good intentions, but since then it’s been hijacked by corporate America. I saw “Rules of Engagement” about what happened in Waco and Ruby Ridge. also the news feed in Okla. city reported bombs in the building after the first explosion. we’ve been lied to by our govt. theres more to what happened then the Govts. version. some people never try to find the truth. research the past and the future becomes much more predictable.

    • JeffH

      Al Sieber, sorry pal, I beg to differ. There may be a lot of organizations trying to identify and align themselves with the Tea Party, but hey are nowhere close to being hijacked by any other group, Republicans included.

      • Al Sieber

        JeffH, theres 2- different Tea Parties? Tea Party and Tea Party Express? I heard one was hijacked, please explain.

        • JeffH

          Al, There are Tea Party movements throughout the US without a central commitee or organizer. Whether either one has been hijacked, I don’t think so. I haven’t seen any indications myself. Now I do know that there are candidates that would like to identify with the Tea Parties, but so far as I know, not now.

          About The Tea Party Express national bus tour will host a series of tea party rallies all across the nation, launching from Sen. Harry Reid’s hometown of Searchlight, NV on March 27th and concluding in Washington, D.C. on Tax Day – April 15th.

          At each stop the tour will highlight some of the worst offenders in Congress who have voted for higher spending, higher taxes, and government intervention in the lives of American families and businesses. These Members of Congress have infringed upon the freedom of the individual in this great nation, and its time for us to say: “Enough is Enough!”

          OurCountryPAC.org is their national sponsor

          The best I can see is that the disclaimer for their(OurCountryPAC.org) contributions say:
          Paid for by Our Country Deserves Better PAC – TeaPartyExpress.org Not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee

        • Meteorlady

          I get information about Tea Party and Tea Party Express from friends emails. I usually don’t attend, but I have researched some of the organization. The Republicans drool at the numbers and are trying hard to adapt their message to the Tea Party’s but we all know that most of them are as corrupt as their Democratic counterparts. I think true Tea Party is the spirit of the American people who want to change the direction the country that they worked hard to build is heading. I’m not a volunteer or contributor to the Tea Party or Express, but I have attended one such rally. It’s funny, but I didn’t see any right-wing wackos, nut jobs or did I hear anything that was far right or nutty. These were normal working and retired people that wanted to support a concept of smaller government and less interference in our lives. that must drive the liberals crazy because they want to be taken care of by their government.

          • Jana

            Maybe Al S. should read more history than watching a movie like “Rules of Engagement”. It is a well known fact that the movie will show the same bent as whoever directs it.

  • butch

    clinto and his goon janet “alice the goon” reno were responsible for tim mcveigh via waco,tx and ruby ridge. PERIOD!

  • Peter

    I am absolutely certain that Clinton and his minions and ilk would labeled the founding fathers and all those who fought in the American Revolution as terrorists. When the party of weakness, fear and cowards cannot succeed by honorable means, and they rarely can, they find ways to besmirch honest upstanding Americans. Clinton, a weak kneed, lack luster, cowardly president, from that very party, has once again shown his lack of mettle.

    It is the vogue thing today to label anyone who commits a crime, a terrorist. If McVeigh had blown up a Piggly Wiggly, would he have been called a terrorist or a mass murderer. Our Chief of Homeland Security, has labeled returning veterans as ” potential domestic terrorists “, so what is the difference between a terrorist and a patriot or a patriot and a terrorist?? I think that, before it gets rewritten, everyone ought to look at the definition of the word terrorist, see if it really does apply to McVeigh, or the folks at Ruby Ridge or the Branch Davidians. MvVeigh got what he deserved. He ruthlesly murdered a lot of innocent people but he was not a terrorist. If there were a hundred of him out there, and they all wanted to blow up building then he and they would be terrorists.

    You have to wonder why the government is so afraid of the Tea Party, there has been no violence, no threat of violence and from all the Tea Party members I have talked to, violence is the last thing they want. Perhaps they are afraid that the party will start putting up candidates of their own or promoting others. Maybe our ” leaders” see the writing on the wall, maybe they fear that Americans are waking up. Time to vote out the legislators who vote for legislation that does not favor the majority. This is supposed to be a majority rules system.

  • JPW-

    The above article looks to me like an endorsement for McVeigh so it kinda backs up Clintons claim.Also I would have to say the Bush family when in office it seems like an awful lot of people innocent or not seem to die.Men woman and children.3000+ on 911 on GW’s watch plus war on two fronts with tens of thousands killed.First Bush also had his little skirmish but I agreed with that one.Also GW blocks stem cell research which could save thousands of lives and ease suffering also went against Nancy Reagan’s wishes.I think the republican party could be known as the PARTY OF DEATH AND PAIN.Oh and also they love to torture human beings.So who is the terrorist perty?

    • American Citizen

      The Democrats are the party of death. Abortion kills a developing human being. Stem cell research using embryos, of which they’ve had no good results, kills those developing human lives. The only positive results they’ve had using stem cells have been from adult stem cells.

      • Kimmie

        I think stem cell research has provided much information to the medical professions. Abortion kills, but why aren’t you educating people about taking precaustions so that they don’t need an abortion? Why don’t you ask why people get abortions instead of focusing and killing doctors who perform them. Once again you try to force everyone to confirm to your beliefs. I think this is a free country and I have my freedom of choice. But what about all the young American men and women that have been killed in Iraq? Why don’t you protest that? The war was waged on a lie and misinformation being provided to the Congress and the American public. But you don’t care about killing people after they are born do you? Let more and more be born into poverty and then complain about them taking and wasting your tax dollars. Why don’t you do what is right and start to educate young girls to not have sex or to use protection if they are going to. Stop complaining and do something for a change!

        • Julie

          American Liberal,

          I am not sure what you are getting at with us now having inside toilets? Are you saying as the times change so should the Constitution? Well I hate to break the news to you, but it is not a living breathing document!!

        • Weavi

          Right On Right Wing—-I can not see anywhere that you were saying Timothy McVeigh was any where near right or that there can be any comparison between him and the Tea Party!!!! Guess ole Liberal must be showing he has no idea what he is talking about!!! I have nothing but respect for the Tea Party and poor ole Liberal can’t count either—There were many people at the Tea party demonstration and they did not leave the area dirty either–The sanatation dept. said the Tea Party left the area cleaner than it was before they came. Did you see the pictures of the area after Obama was sworn in? On April 15 the demonstration was at many sights and there were thousands at each! The people WANT THEIR COUNTRY BACK!!!
          Don’t knock our founding fathers—We have lived very well due to them having the wisdom to write us up a BRILLIANT Constitution which has served us well until the present Administration decided to ignore it at every possible opportunity (mores the shame!) My Great(4) Grandfather fought in the Revolutionary War so the Constitution wobuld become our blueprint to free lives. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! And God Bless the Tea Party!!!

        • Jana

          Kimmie,

          You are right that we need to educate people about taking precautions, but this is the leftist agenda that its all right to do whatever you feel like doing,having sex with 30 or more partners is fine,go ahead and take drugs, who cares?, do what feels good to you, up to and including killing your unborn baby. No, this is not a good thing, and it doesn’t make anyone feel better about themselves, only worse.

          If you would look you would find there have only been a couple of kooks that have killed these abortion Dr.’s, and it has never been the conservitive Right that has done this. These are sick individuals that have taken it upon themselves to deliver their own form of justice and then the news media calls them right wing kooks, but they are not right wing or right in any way.
          Stem Cell research has done a lot, but so far they have not come up with anything useful or viable out of an unborns stemcells. I was just listening to some Dr.’s talk about it recently on the radio.

          Believe me, the Conservatives and the Christians have set back not trying to make waves and have allowed our own rights to be taken away from us. We are just now finding our voice. We aren’t trying to “force” anything on to anyone, we are trying to protect our freedoms.
          Of course we don’t like anyone getting killed in any war, but the lie thing is the mantra of the left. If it was a lie, not only did the President buy into it but so did most of Congress at that time including the Clintons. However, some of the very training camps the Iraqi police are now using, were the terrorist training camps before. Just ask some of those who were there, including my husband. Not everything is known by the public of the truth behind the Iraq war, and it is not all as sinister as the leftist are trying to make everyone believe.
          You claim we don’t care about killing people after they are born but you are wrong, oh so very wrong. You have bought into the Socialistic lies that are being spread around and that is what they are LIES.
          You are a very mininformed young lady.

        • Meteorlady

          So Kimme – you think there were no weapons of mass destruction? You might want to find a Kurd and ask that question – if there are any still alive. Or better yet, go out on the internet and see the pictures of men, women and children laying in the streets of norther Iraq that were left there to rot by Saddam. I’m sick of hearing how bad the war was – it was ill-conceived only because it was a money pit just like the Soviets found in Afghanistan, but as far as bad goes – Saddam hundreds of thousands of Kurds and all the do gooder liberal shut that point out.

      • Troy

        Of course war doesn’t kill does it. Who started the war in Iraq? How did the US Bennifit from it? Oh yeah, higher oil prices. We really out the American people there.

      • http://www.libertyagain.org jim

        look Clinton like Bush and Obama were all puppets. Tools of the CFR these people want to control all of you. they are all on the same train as hitler stalin and mao.How many deaths were on their tallies too many to count. Wake up sheeple read the constitution and try to understand it.

        • Lisa Jones

          I think people enter public office with good intensions. However money and greed shortly takes over.

        • JeffH

          jim…your pretty darn close and def have the right idea…our prolems in America are orchestrated by the people in the shadows pulling the strings on the world’s economy. Try the Rothscild links to the power brokers of world finance, the EU, IMF and the ideology of a One World government.

          • JeffH

            …and manipulating world leaders, including our presidents, bot past and present. Certainly not a new idea, but a real threat to our sovereignty and Americas position as the leader of the free world.

          • eddie47d

            Dale 10:50am; Since you love to make insults I’ll play along. Cheney is a yellowed-bellied coward.Screwed up everything he touched.Lied(Iraq),cheated(Halliburton),deserted his country(5 deferments). What kind of example does he set for America? Since many on this site won’t challange your ignorant comments I’ll take the job. Have a pleasant evening.

    • Peter

      Bush got the watch nine mos. before 911. The build up to 911 was taking place during Clinton’s watch. Read the back story.
      Definatly not an endorsement for McVeigh or any other scumbag killer. If he was a member of a network planning to blow up building for whatever reason, then Ill say he was a terrorist.Just need to get the terminology correct. He was a mass murder not a terrorist. Don’t make the little psyco more important that he was. Read the def. of terrorist, see if applys to Mcveigh.
      What does stem cell research have to do with terrorism???
      George Washington was a looser from the French Indian War to the end of the Revolution. He only won two major battles and NJ was just a big morale booster. Lincoln wanted to send the slaves back to Africa. FDR messed around on his wife and some say he knew about the attack on Pearl before it happened. Which one of our presidents has not done something wrong in someones eyes?

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  • Laura Schlegel

    The real terrorists are those keep us addicted to dirty fuels, dumb us down w/corporate controlled media and air brushing our textbooks, outsource our industries/jobs, avoid paying their fair share in taxes and all the gouging profiteering ways that exploit people, economies & environment. Are the Tea Partiers concerned about the ecological or economic impact of the recent oil spill? Are they concerned about reigning in Wall St., health insurance companies, big agra, job/industry development, getting us off dirty energy, CEOs huge compensations while laying off & outsourcing and not paying taxes, Immigration Reform, Drug Wars, for-profit prisons, illegal gun trade, education, campaign finance reform,closing the gun loopholes, efforts in cultivating peace, any infrastructure for a sound society? I know Palin is a Tea Party supporter but haven’t heard her speak out on any of these issues that affect US all.
    Bill Clinton has owned up to his mistakes…even NAFTA and believes it should be refined. His sexual life did not jeopardize our nation. Should we have impeached every President that had sexual affairs?

    • William Nealey

      another dumbassed liberal heard from,

      • Kimmie

        It’s a sahme you have to resort to name calling. If you couldn’t think of anything worth while to say just keep quiet instead of calling people names. You refere to liberal like it’s a bad thing. But liberals generally want equal opertunities for everyone. What’s wrong with equal opertunities?

        • American Citizen

          No, liberals want equal results, conservatives want equal opportunities. You will never have equal results unless the government FORCES them on us. That would mean all would be poor. It’s been tried and failed many times. Wake up!

        • JeffH

          Kimmie, you know exactly what liberals are. “bleeding hearts”? NOT! Mean and nasty? Yes! Bad part is, they’re so caught up with themselves, they don’t even realize it.

          • Sally S.

            Did you get your food stamps yet this week? LOL

          • JeffH

            Not at all…Sally S., nice to know your still around.

            Keep reaching for the stars because you’ll just look like an idiot stretching that way for no reason.

          • Sally S.

            At least I have ambition and want to better myself. I’ll keep reaching for those stars and who knows maybe one day with hard work I’ll reach one. Cuz I work for everything I have. Unlike some people.

          • JeffH

            released, about all of us Terrible Right Wing Extremists!

            JeffH says:
            May 3, 2010 at 5:35 pm
            Peter, lest we not forget the almighty man-woman Janet Reno.
            Her take on Waco, Texas:

            JIM LEHRER: What was your darkest day or what was your darkest time during these eight years?
            JANET RENO: Well, you were there. I was… It was Waco.
            JIM LEHRER: Yeah, yeah. I’m sure you’ve spent a lot of time thinking about that. What went wrong?
            JANET RENO: One… It’s obvious what went wrong, but one will never know what the right answer was, because one doesn’t know what Koresh would have done two weeks later without any provocation, so we just have to learn.
            JIM LEHRER: And did you make the decision… do you think you made the wrong decision?
            JANET RENO: I’ll never know. Clearly, if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn’t do it, but I don’t know whether I could have avoided it down the line. There are those that have reviewed this case in-depth and said he could have done the same thing two weeks later with people not bothering him at all.

            Janet Reno essentially admits that she/FBI provoked Koresch. Killed innocent Amaericans through provocation.
            She remains free to this day!

            http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb….._1-18.html

          • JeffH

            Liberals use name calling as part of a cognitive bias in promoting her propaganda;

            Name calling is a cognitive bias and a technique to promote propaganda. Propagandists use the name-calling technique to incite fears and arouse prejudices with the intent that invoked fear based on fearmongering tactics will encourage those that read, see or hear propaganda to construct a negative opinion about a person, group, or set of beliefs or ideas that the propagandist would wish the recipients to denounce. The method is intended to provoke conclusions and actions about a matter apart from an impartial examinations of the facts of the matter. When this tactic is used instead of an argument, name-calling is thus a substitute for rational, fact-based arguments against an idea or belief, based upon its own merits, and becomes an argumentum ad hominem.

            Sally S, c’mon girl, You can do much better than that!

        • Doug

          Let me guess not Kimmie or is that Commie you are and expert on free trade now? Why in the world would you not buy a something for less? So in your mind we should be paying say $100,000 for a car now and union workers should be making about $500,000 a year? For every one of these jobs that go overseas bigger and better jobs replace them. And your really believe the peak oil theory and the blow job by Gore about the planet warming because of man? You better look and see where Gore is getting his money he could give a rats ass about you he is in for the money like all scumbag liberals. Not making money via free enterprise but buy stacking the deck so on they win and not by honest competition. Every time you write you show how your mind has been completely programmed by liberal educators. Next you going to tell me Obama is a business man and made his money actually working for a living! Come on out and play Commie!

      • ONTIME

        The ex prez aka Bubba, is a notorius liar and emebellishes every aspect of his irresponsible life, he was given the title as the guy who would be president but didn’t want to be held responsible for all his screw-ups. Well, he barely got out of office intact and has been a major pain in the butt since then, he is still running true to form and it seems that his selective memory is not endearing him to his waining public as he continually shoots off that useless mouth of his. How to lose friends and make enemies is OL’Bubba’s best trait.

    • American Citizen

      Clinton’s the only one I know of who has his affair in the Oval Office of our house. If you haven’t heard Sarah Palin, you must get your news from the MSM. They do nothing but denigrate her and her family, not tell her views on all you have said.

    • American Liberal

      Laura…yep, the Teabaggers and the republicans only positions are to protect Wallstreet and keep giving tax cuts to the rich…. I haven’t heard them screaming Drill baby drill much this week… But they couldn’t care less about the enviorment or the lives of mine workers … It’s all about protecting tax cuts and making more wealth for the top 2% .. at their own expense….

      • gregory

        SOUNDS LIKE YOUR COMMIE PROFFESSORS BUMPERSTICKERS!!

  • American Liberal

    We saw how many teabaggers turnedout on Tax day … It looked like a birthday party for ” Larry the Cable guy”… Take the teabaggers serious?…nope… They’re just a few grumpy racist republicans…with an anti America, anti government agenda they hate it that President Obamas president… They’re also about to blow a gasket because the economys showing strong signs of rebounding ….expect more hate in the comming days from these oddball rightwing fringe kooks…what other proof does anyone need… Supporting the Ayran nation…a radical rightwing racist group… That’s your teabag party…

    • American Citizen

      AL, tea partyers are too busy working to support their families to take off work every time they call for a rally. If you want to meet a racist, look in the mirror. You, and those like you, see it every time a minority is called to task. You’d think they are not Americans like the rest of us who have to abide by the laws. It’s time they, and you, get over their skin color. Slavery was eradicated over 200 years ago, yet you all want to revive it by becoming slaves to the Federal Government.

    • Peter

      I just counted up one my fingers and toes plus other things, the people who I know that belong to the Tea Party. Total 29. 17 are under 30 years old, 8 are registered democrats, 19 are registered republicans, 14 are military veterans, none of them have any police records, 5 are black, 1 is native American, 2 are oriental, 1 went to a rally in full Continental uniform armed with a Brown Bess flintlock musket, I guess he was the gun totting nut. Doesn’t sound like a bunch of grumpy old republicans to me?

    • anitamurie

      I have had a lot of fun reading all the crazy teabagger ranting on this page. Although, these teabaggers are just the same crazy right wingers we used to call reactionaries. They got some press because they changed their name but they’re the same paranoid conspiracy driven bunch, we know and love. Their numbers never change. That’s why they could barely get a 1000 people on the capital-on tax day! It’s like Gov. Randel (D-Pa) said: “I could get 100,000 people to march for puppies…!” And you can’t argue with this group. They are insane and they just repeat word per word what their insane leader-Glenn Beck-tells them. They are barely literate- just try to read some of their rants. For God’s sake, they think McVeigh was part of a gov’t conspiracy!lmao By the way, don’t any of them use spell check? Well, had a good laugh at their expense but I don’t think I’ll bother with them again. After all, I do have to work. Thanks for some sanity, American Liberal!

      • Jana

        anitamurie is another

        • Jana

          anitamurie is another ANTI AMERICAN INFIL TRAITOR. See how easy it is to identiy these people?

      • angel-wanna-be

        anitanurie, your name changed from Liberals, to Socailist!

    • gregory

      SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE YOUR THE RACIEST! THINK ABOUT IT! JUST TRYING TO HELP YA OUT, FOCUS ON YOUR CULTURE OF CORRUPTION.

    • Doug

      Hey American Idiot did you get this computer with your welfare check or did you use your food stamps. Or wait is that you Obama Jama?

  • Carolyn Meinhardt

    We need more tea party people to stand up for a government run by the people, not by socialist liberals who wish to demoralize, de-Americanize this fine country. Let’s surround our borders, protect our National Security (our President is not doing it) and send all illegals away (they just want our $ to send home to their countries anyway and cash in on our welfare and medical benefits.) Our government is selling out our country and now its people. I am ashamed of our Government, but proud to be an American. My folks came over to this country and had to become citizens, recite the pledge of allegiance, learn about out history and wanted the freedom and opportunities this country offerred. Our values have gone. We are a God-given and blessed Nation and we need to pray earnestly for the sweet presence that use to exist here. God Bless America!

    • Kimmie

      18 percent of Americans identify themselves as Tea Party supporters. That’s really not very many. Because most Americans are not as angry, hatefully, and paranoid as the Tea Baggers. Your crowd is also over 45. Which means they are most likely from the “ME” generation. Those of us younger will get things straightened out the right way after a while. “No Government Healthcare! Keep your hands off my Medicare!” Gota love that thinking. LOL

      • American Citizen

        Put you hands back into your own pockets. Stay out of mine. I’ll give where I think it’s needed. If each person who turned out for those rallies stands for 10 people, there are a lot more than you think. The MSM always underreports the number when they don’t agree with them and overreports those they do. If you look at who are at the rallies, a lot of them are young, working members of society. There are people there from all walks of life. Put your biases aside and listen to those who are older and wiser.

        • American Liberal

          Julie… Wrong… If the constitution wasn’t a living document then you wouldn’t have the right to vote and Black people would still be owned…

          • Peter

            Being a living document refers to adding amendments not changing the context of an article. Women did have the vote in the 18th century. As for slavery, as abhorrent as it is, Arab slave traders and African Tribal Chiefs sold the slaves to the Dutch who sold them to British, French and American plantation owners in the Indies and on the American main land. It did not need a Constitutional amendment to end it. A law prohibiting the holding slaves would have worked as well. BTW, the Arabs are still taking and selling slaves. During the 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th centuries, they were trading in white European slaves captured in the Med. Black people don’t have a corner on the market being slaves.

          • http://PersonalLiberty Global Mamma

            For every ONE person at the Tea Party, there are AT LEAST ONE HUNDRED people behind them that can’t be there.

            BUT we will ALL be VOTING in November!

            We are all ages, my husband and I the older people, but we have THREE young adult children(ages 19 to 26) all Tea Partiers. That is 3 young to 2 over age 45. I talk to all ages of people and I’ve not yet talked to anyone who is in favor of the status quo. And I(unfortunately) live in a VERY liberal state. I TALK ALOT!

            I also believe there is NO difference between the R’s & D’s.
            But unlike some, I believe the Tea Party is ALREADY large enough to be a third party. And it’s going to continue growing. I talk alot!

            I respond to a lib once or twice, but after that I just leave, they aren’t worth wasting precious time on. Get out there and talk to all the people that God brings into your path daily! And don’t get me wrong, I think this sight is great, I just think we who are sane should talk more amongst ourselves and ignore the insane. We need to stategize more on how to win our country back, and I also think we should all be supporting the people in all the states that are doing “the right thing” but being vilified by the insane. We should let them know that just because we are not the angry, stupid, haters, who throw adult tantrums to try to look like they are more in number than they actually are, that we are out here and behind them, praising them for their integrity and courage and we back them!

            As our FOUNDING FATHERS, LIVE FREE OR DIE.

          • Sidewinder

            Well no American Liberal,
            Black Americans had the same protections as everybody else when they wrote All men Created Equal. That means all of mankind, women too.

            Its just that they were denied those God given rights.

            In the end, it was a matter of enforcing the law. I understand the classifications that were used for them, but the Constitution did not EXEMPT Black Americans.

      • Peter

        Now Kimmie. When you grow up you are going to realize that adults sometimes have a different view of thing than children. When you have had to work to support a family, go to war, pay onerous taxes and all those other tedious things. Of course, if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, the ideal of liberalism, you’ll never have to worry about any of those nasty thing. Ah, but don’t forget, liberalism/ socialism means sharing the wealth so it just may be that the middle class down may not be the big losers.
        Get out into the real world, see what your missing!

      • Ruby

        You are sooooo brainwashed. You haven’t lived long enough to know the differences from administration to administration. Those of us age 45 and above have lived and EXPERIENCED the effects of every administration since JFK. So, yeah, we’ve had to learn to take care of “ME”.

        You also conveniently ignore that our generation…the “ME” generation…has been the most innovative generation since the turn of the 19th/20th century. Many are still innovating and inventing. What will your generation bring to the table?

        • http://www.sensiblechange.org Ken

          American Liberal and JPW are both sad reflections of the illogic, studity and mindless invective that infect the modern American left. These mischaracterization of Tea Partiers is the typical rant of left-wing operatives or sympathizers who are unable to engage on matters of public policy, but have obscene invective and hyperbole down pat. The “Teabagger” epithet is getting a little worn, it being merely a projection of the sick minds of those uttering it. Once you read it, you know that the person has no serious intent, but is merely a troublemaker.

          The fact is, Tea Partiers are motivated by a love of country and a realizatiion that the current administration is leading us down a path to fiscal insolvency, big government, and the loss of freedom.
          They know that the exceptionalism of the American experience is a direct consequence of our Constitutionally-provided liberties, free market system, heretofore limited government, private property rights, and religious character as a nation. As these pillars are dismantled, the once noble ediface will come crashing down. It doesn’t stay up by itself. Even the concept of federalism has been assaulted by the health insurance “reform” bill, which treats states as mere administrative units of the national government.

          What we have witnessed since the start of this administration is the exposure of the radicalism at the heart of the modern Democratic Party, now with a marxist as its standard bearer. I defy anyone to study Obama’s personal history and performance in office and argue that he is not, in fact, a marxist, however cleverly concealed behind smooth, teleprompter-enhanced talk. His policies, economic and otherwise, are driven by a far-left ideology, and bear no connecxtion to rational economic thought. The “stimulus” bill was a sop to the public employee unions and left-wing constituencies, and a slush fund for the re-election of Democrat incumbents–$800 billion down the toilet. Not to mention the failed $75 billion to prop up those under foreclosure. Both are a manifesttation of Obama’s economic and historical illiteracy. Citizens should be outraged to see their tax dollars so wasted and their childrens’ future mortgaged for ZERO substantive benefit.

          • Kimmie

            what’s wrong with tea bagger? That’s what they are. They hang tea bags from their hats and stuff.

          • Right Wing

            Kim,

            Here is one time I will suggest a google search for tea bagging. Pardon me for suggesting this as I suspect from your eloquent post you may still be in middle school. I think you should probably ask your parent’s permission to do this homework. My sincere apologies to your parents if they discover you have been engaging in discussions with adults that may include sordid references derived from you liberal affiliates.

          • kimmie

            ha ha very funny trying insult me with my age. You seem to be awful aware of Perverse things. So how did you come to learn about teabagging?

          • eddie47d

            Sumerian man 11:35am; Foreign troops on our soil as combatives? Don’t you think that the American workers at that base would notice and see what’s going on? Now foreign troops are trained in the USA and have been for decades. Check out the School of Americas in Georgia.

          • Singing Sam

            Yes Mr. Right Wing, how did you learn about tea bagging? Maybe you hang out with a bunch of liberals? Oh NO!

          • Sidewinder

            Right Wing,
            Kimmie/Sam, may be a little young to learn what Tea Bagging is.

        • Kimmie

          What did your generation do? Oh yeah, move all the manufacturing jobs to China. Well know companies sold to foriegn investors. Most of Hawaii belongs to Japaneese people. Try and find a hotel not owned by Indians. Your generation sold us out. Now we have to try and bring it back. But you’re trying hard to stop us from getting new technolgies and energies. You left our power grid a mess. The Colorado River will soon not be enough to supply water to the west. You knew Levys in New Orleans were not good enough yet they were ignored so we could wage war. Your Generation has made such a mess. You let your Presidents run up trillions in debt but you did nothing. You elected greedy Congress that let Wall Street banks run wild then complain when they fail. You bought forgeign cars and put the American Auto industy out of business. You didn’t invest in America, you gave it away to get rich quick.
          I am grown up, I have kids, I have a job. And I wonder why there is so much poverty and unemployment here. If we had manufacting beack we would have more job.
          Thanks for making it such a mess for me. We will straighten out later once you get out of our way.

        • Kimmie

          Thank you for all you’ve done over the past 50 years. You took the richest most powerful nation in the world and turned into what it is today. I have an excuse, I wasn’t around, but why did you let this happen? Now that we have a President that sees the future and knows we must change our ways you’re trying to stop him. You let the country go to —-. Don’t try to stand up now. Just go back to counting your money like you’ve been doing.

          • Airangel

            For many reasons, I just can’t comprehend why a low-life liar and cheat gets paid enormous sums of money to speak…does he really draw crowds interested in anything that comes out of his mouth? I NEVER listen to him! I can’t even stand to look at him without feeling nausiated…I don’t care if he was a President or Governor…there is something about that man that makes my skin crawl! I can’t even believe anyone would believe anything he says and I really can’t believe he’s not in a 4×4 cell doing time…just shows money and power can buy silence!

          • Airangel

            I am talking about Clinton if you didn’t guess :)

          • wnettles

            Yep, I’d say Bill has gone off the deep end. Syphallis or some other malady must be eating at his brain. By throwing out stupid, snied remarks at descent folks like the Tea Party crowd, and, a whole lot of middle class working folk, Mr. Clinton is further distancing himself and the Democrat Party from the American people.

            So long, Bill. Try some of those quick lines on some intern. Adults don’t need your silly, childish nonsense. The Tea Party movement appears to be gaining numbers at an ever increasing rate. The more socialist BS that comes out of Washington, the more Tea Party ideas spread, kind of like the first wildfires of freedom and liberty in this country over two centuries ago.

            So, keep fanning the flames, Bill. Our memories of you will be found in the bottom of the cesspool of history, not the halls of liberty.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Kimmie, I’d be a good idea to dry yourself behind the ears, girlie, you’ve got a lot of growing up to do!!__I’d like to see your Generation live off the land to feed their families, or go through what our parents did, the Great Depression, that’d be like comedy central!!

          • Markus

            Meteorlady,
            Liberalism is a mental disorder, Liberalism is Facism, Liberalism will get us all killed.
            These three statements sum up the brain disorder of Liberalism. You can’t have a discussion with people who don’t live by a moral and ethical code, that live in MORAL AND ETHICAL ‘RELATIVISM’. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!!! The best thing we can do is treat them like the IDIOTS THEY ARE, and not even engage them. They don’t believe in TRUTH, they don’t believe in a definitive “right and wrong”, so why even bother??? Denniso, or whatever her name is, is a loser. She justifies her stupid existence by not having to answer to anything but herself, that is a shame. I actually feel sorry for her. What a waste of space. What is even more of a shame, is that we actually have to speak to these people. We should divide the country in half and put these losers together and watch them eat each other!!! Now that would be funny….
            HERE’S THE BOTTOM LINE: THE REASON FOR THIS GREAT DIVIDE IN THE COUNTRY IS BECAUSE ‘THEY’ CHANGED, NOT US. WE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT CHANGED AND ARE NOW FORCING US TO DO THE SAME WHEN WE DON’T WANT TO!!!! PERIOD…

          • jsin

            actually fscisim is when the corporations run the government

          • jsin

            A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism you know that feeling you get when it is argued that people should be allowed to burn the flag as a form of protest. that is MILITANT NATIONALISIM. fascists!

        • eddie47d

          Jeff H. Troy doesn’t have to man up he already has. Why don’t you try it without the low life comments? You have become the sheeple you talk about.

          • JeffH

            eddie47d, ohhhh! Just when I was continueing to be civil, your true colors surface! Name calling by a liberal hack? Now that’s something new. I knew it was to good to be true….you have exposed your inner liberal self. Uncle Saul wouldn’t approve of you losing your cool though, would he?

          • JeffH

            eddie47d,eddie47d,eddie47d…BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA,BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA… You can take your seat at the trough with all the rest of your sheeple clan you know… the ones like yourself that are unable to think for themselves. Followers. Lemmings. Those with no cognitive ablilities of their own.

          • JeffH

            eddie47d, Since you love to make insults I’ll not play along or maybe I will.

          • Sam Dean

            I don’t understand this generation of people. I do know in the Bible it says that in one generation they forgot God. I have lived to see in one generation America turn from God. The younger generation were not taught by their parents nor in the schools about our founding fathers and what America stood for. They have been brain washed. However, the day is coming if the people of America do not repent of their sins, God’s judgment will fall upon America as it did on Israel when they went into Babylonian captivity. The bible says a nation that forgets God shall be turned into hell. It is time we returned to our founding principles and ask for the old paths. I find what the Tea Party is propagating, saying, I endorse. God save America.

          • http://PersonalLiberty Global Mamma

            The libs are terrified of the Tea Party because this will mean the end of the gravy train for them. If we shrink government to it’s proper size and keep more of our hard earned money for ourselves, the lazy of this nation will have no one to live off of. That is what they fear!

          • Kimmie

            Well I have to admit that yes I am a liberal. But I’m not afraid of the tea baggers. The tea baggers are going to self destruct. As someone pointed out to me yesterday, 18% of Americans are tea baggers. That means about 54 million people in this country. So out of those 54 million I’m sure there is at least one teetering on the line of sanity. With all the hate and posters signs and pictures of Obama as hitler and so on that one person who sits and watches Glenn Beck daily is going to fall of the sanity wagon and go out and do something stupid. Much like Dr. Tiller the Baby Killer as Bill O Riely called him. Someone finnally lost it and went and killed Dr. Tiller. The same thing is going to happen with the tea baggers. They have already been known to throw rocks through windows and mess around with people’s gas lines and such. It’s only a matter of time until someone flips out completely. It’s a shame that people must die before others realize the destructive path they are on, but that’s your way, not mine. I choose to cast a vote and campaign against all those in Congress now. You can’t keep electing the same people and expect differnt results. I’m young, but you all that are older have voted the same people in time and time again. Jouhn Beohner has been in since 1991. Almost as long as I’ve been alive. Arlen spector since 1981! since 1985. Robert Byrd since 1959 John McCain 1987. This is just a few. Don’t you think it’s time to change them?
            The tea baggers have very violent overtones. You can not deny that. You will self destruct in time.

          • JeffH

            Your illness is caused by infectious MSM virus that you ingest daily.
            May God have mercy on your soul. May your mind be cleansed of the lies and deceit you so easily absorb as truths.

          • Kimmie

            All we can do is wait and see. It happened with Dr. Tiller and with 54 million people out there listening to the hate Obama stuff daily someone is going to lose control. I really hope I’m wrong because I hate to see anyone get hurt or killed over nonsense like this.

          • JeffH

            Kimmie, I find it fascinating that the only people that use the “hate” word are the leftist liberal pro-Obama Marxist/socialist/communist sympathizers like yourself. The majority of us don’t like his ideology and the politics in the ever growing government, which by the way, includes both Democrats and Republicans.

            I pity all of you for you continual use of the “H” word.

          • Right Wing

            It appears as if you need something violent to happen to justify your own beliefs? What is violent enough for you? Spitting, name calling, throwing stuff, punching, stabbing, blowing up something… What do you want to see so you can finally gain your own convictions? You have mistakenly adopted the media driven belief that tea partiers are clones and that what one does…all condone. Wrong. We The People are not lemmings and what one insane person may do in frustration does not suggest that the group has orchestrated. That would be a conspiracy theory…something libs seem to rant about in these posts. So be careful not to fall with your mouth open onto you own foot young Kimmie.

          • JUST SAY NO to bigger government

            Kimmie,
            If you’re the best the liberal leftists have to send here to try and disrupt the Bob Livingston blog with your anti T.E.A Party drivel, then I guess we don’t have much to worry about. Your use of the words “tea bagger” shows your 3rd grade mentality. You must either be a welfare case with too much time on your hands, or a government employee sucking up the taxpayers money posting here, when you should be working.

          • Kimmie

            Does tea bagger offend you? Why? I had no idea what tea bagging was until the pervert Right wing guy told me to look it up. I thought it was actaully quite funny. I mean I keep seeing pictures of people with tea bags hanging all over them. Only seems right to call them tea baggers.
            It also amazes me that if someone here disagrees with you folks that you assume they are a government plant, (Shows you’re Paranoid), or must be unemployed and on government welfare. You think all liberals are just looking for a hand out. That’s NOT the case. However their are people in this country that truely need help and in the richest most successful nation in the world people should be able to get help when they need it.

          • JeffH

            The liberals are looking to spend someone elses money, distribute someone elses wealth as long as it’s not their own.
            Most American’s are charitable by nature and like to “freely choose” the charities they contribute to.
            I know it’s tough to understand for some.

          • Sidewinder

            Part of the problem is that there are a whole lot of people just like you who think that we are the world’s richest and most successful nation. They think because of that we can afford all kinds of big government social programs.

            But thats all wrong. The United States owes more money than any other nation on earth. We owe this money because government spent way beyond its means, spent way beyond what the tax payer would ever allow.

          • Right Wing

            Sounds like you are a classic victim Kimmie. Maybe you shouldn’t exchange posts in an adult forum if you are offended by being directed to an explanation of the offensive term you throw around. You are a very good representative of your political beliefs…naive (for life), quick to cast insults, armed with a pull string to repeat media messages, and a victim. For your own sake I hope you diversify your education.

          • http://PersonalLiberty Global Mamma

            kimmie, YOU WISH!!!!!!!:)

          • laura

            Sam-You said a mouthful. I believe that’s why GOD gave us one mouth and two ears,so we would do twice as much listening than talking.Great post!!!
            GOD BLESS YOU AND MAY GOD CONTINUE TO BLESS AMERICA

          • http://PersonalLiberty Global Mamma

            kimmie,your deranged, misanthropic worldview makes me worry YOU might do something violent. It’s this hopeless,fatalism that makes people go berserk.

        • JUST SAY NO to bigger government

          It seems as though Clinton studied Saul Alinskis doctrine well, and is especially fond of rules #5 & #8. What amazes me is that there are so many people that are willing to believe what he, and every other liberal liar says, without ever trying to determine the truth for themselves.
          It’s as if these believers in Clinton, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and the rest of the liberal liars in government, are as gullible, and naive as little children, and are just as helpless. If they didn’t have government telling them what to do, and what to think, and helping them in their everyday lives, they would not survive. Clinton the “best president”?? ROFL, that’s laughable! The best liar maybe, but NOT the best president.

          • JeffH

            JUST SAY NO to bigger government, YEP! I’ll add that his lovely wife Hillary interviewed Alinsky several times while in college.

            Reading Hillary Rodham’s hidden thesis
            Clinton White House asked Wellesley College to close off access.
            Just as conservative authors have speculated, it was the Clintons who asked Wellesley in 1993 to hide Hillary Rodham’s senior thesis from the first generation of Clinton biographers, according to her thesis adviser and friend, professor Alan H. Schechter, who describes taking the call from the White House.

            ‘Alinsky’s daughter’
            Many authors on the long shelf of unsympathetic Clinton biographies have envisioned the thesis as evidence of Marxist or socialist views held by young Hillary — or conversely as proof of her political agnosticism, a lack of any ideology besides a brutal willingness to attack opponents and accumulate power in the Alinsky style.

            David Brock, in his 1996 biography, “The Seduction of Hillary Rodham,” called her “Alinsky’s daughter.”
            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17388372/ns/politics-decision_08/

        • angel-wanna-be

          Ruby, You Go Girl!!!__AMEN!!!

        • angel-wanna-be

          Ruby, copied from your words “What will your generation bring to the table?”
          They only thing this generation seems to know____It’s all George Bushes fault!, 101 easy ways to get a free abortion and Socialism!

      • JC

        Young Kimmie thinks the “self entitled socialist” generation has all the answers I see. I wonder who she thinks she’ll live off of when the so called “me generation” retires?
        Socialism is a self defeating politic that produces nothing.

        • JeffH

          Kimmie is a synonym for gimmie. Take you position with the rest of the flock.

          • Kimmie

            OH please! You think everyone that is a liberal is a lazy bum. You’re wrong buddy boy. Who’s actually trying to get things done? Not the conservitive bone heads in congress. They only know one word. NO. If you have the answers then do something!

          • Sally S.

            That’s a great statement coming from someone who receives government disabilty and food stamps.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Kimmie, you Libs have the Majority, soooo, since you have all the answers.__Here are some questions____ Why isn’t the healthcare reform, NOT slated to begin til 2014??___When Obama deemed a CRISIS,to pass this bill, that people were dying in the streets with health insurance??___Are they still dying without it now, we still have 4 years before it’s implimented???___Here’s another____If illegal aliens were such an important agenda matter of Obama’s, why didn’t HE send the National Guard to AZ, when Governor Jan Brewer first ask for help to guard the borders?__Why is he bashing her for enforcing this bill, perhaps he won’t get the needed votes in 2010 or 2012?__An Another question, Why’d it take Obama 11 days to DO or say something about the oil spill, and WHY Now, is the oil spill suddenly another crisis?__Didn’t you Libs smear Bush because the lack of reaction in Katrina??___Talk about the blame game, why did the State of New Orleans, allow 1000′s of school buses float in the flooded waters, instead of setting up a command post to bus there people the hell outta there to saftey???___Don’t you find it funny, that we’ve had two serious mining incidents and an oil rig blown to smithereens, all the while, the Government continues talks, of wanting to rid the world of fossil fuels??___and after Obama said he’d look into OFF SHORE DRILLING???___c’mom let’s play!!!____YOUR SERVE!!!!

          • Sally S.

            angel-wanna-be,

            If the oil rig fire and coal mine accidents are cause to believe that Obama is behind them to further his policy to elinate fossil fuels, then we must also assume that the 9/11 attacks were master minded by Bush and Cheney so that they could go to war in Iraq.

            As for Obama waiting what 10 days to call the oil rig a disaster I can only assume he thought BP would be able to bring it under control. (they can’t) Now the oil spill has reached the shores of the gulf coast.

            Doing away with fossil fuels is not a bad idea. It needs to be done so we can tell the middle east to go blow.

          • JeffH

            Sally S. you’ve done it again! “As for Obama waiting what 10 days to call the oil rig a disaster I can only assume he thought BP would be able to bring it under control.”
            Like most liberal, your key word is “ASSUME”! If liberals would stop making “ASSUMPTION”, which we see you and others make repeatedly, you may just get a straighter skew on your thoughts. You people are constantly making “ASSUMPTIONS” and putting words where they don’t belong, in someone else’s mouths. Read into it for what it is, not what you want it to be.

          • Jana

            Jeffh,
            The same old rhetoric from Kimmie and Sally S. They are infilTRAITORS. Traitors to the United States of America. yawn. Their rhetoric is just getting old.

        • Kimmie

          It’s the “ME” Generation that is driving us to bankrupcy. All of you old folks are retiring and never did enough to plan for the furture. Social security and medicare are going to run out when you all start collecting. You gave away our jobs and now there is little work. THANKS!

          • angel-wanna-be

            Kimmie, Oh wise one, all we have is today, the future is not promised to any of us! No one knows, what tomorrow may bring?__with a little luck, you May stick around long enough to grow old and not do the same thing your accusing other people of!?!__You only reap what you sow!

          • Ted Crawford

            Ok kimmie, Who,exactly, do you think put all the money into these programs in the first place? You’ve stated that you haven’t. Who, then should draw the money out? Those that put it in or those who did not? Remember these programs were rammed down our throats by you progressives not by conservatives!

        • angel-wanna-be

          Sally S, I don’t doubt for one minute, that politics, did play a large role in the war in the middle east, but we didn’t need 9/11 to start it. The so called war that ensued, after 9/11, was in retaliation for the attack on New York. They killed 3000 of our people, I would suppose a slap on the political corrective wrist, should’ve sufficed for Liberals, and God forbid we hurt anyone’s feelings??__Those two planes, that slammed into the World Trade Center, were planned, not by Bush and Cheney. You’ve read and are following the Soro’s manifesto, which clearly indicated TO SMEAR BUSH!___ America never has, to my knowledge, left an attack stand___Example: Pearl Harbor!
          You Liberals like to blame others and chase euphoric rainbows in the clear blue skies. You seem to believe, it’s our Government job to control every aspect of our lives and keep us as well. Conservatives understand that, the more money that is handed over for free, the less people are willing to work for it. We believe, if one has to work to eat, they will eventually work or go hungry. Giving constant handouts of any kind be it, unemployment or entitlement programs, is like, and I say again, giving a well man a crutch. If a well man uses a crutch long enough, he begins to believe he needs it.
          The founders had their vision of a Government. A Government of the people, by the people and for the people. But The progressives added their own language and has been changed to “BUY THE PEOPLE”. We were warned of this coming infiltration in 1961 by R Reagan. (go to youtube, type in “reagan warning of socialized medicine”) –__Government is here, to keep us from harm and protect our God and Constitutional rights and our borders. Government was never meant to and ARE NOT HERE to provide free abortions, you want to murder an innocent, YOU PAY FOR IT!!__Government is not here, to take over wall street, or GM, they are not here to control, regulate and tax us to death, til we have nothing left but crumbs., they are not here, to tell us how much salt we’re allowed to use, what kinds of food to eat & when, to fake pandemics, Example: H1N1, to force us into buying a service or face fines, such as health insurance, to kiss the azz of illegal immigrants for votes, then treat it’s own citizens, like a bunch of second class idiots, because we don’t agree with the Liberal agenda. Your friend Hillary said it best, and I quote ” that I’m tired of being told by this Administration (Bush), that I’m not patriotic if I don’t agree with them, when I have the right to disagree”___We have that same right as Conservatives as well, only we are being called right wing extremists and home grown terrorists in a published lexicon in 2009!! The Clintons are puppets as well. Rich puppets. If you want to be a Soros puppet, I suggest you head for Europe, you’ll get plenty training there, because that’s where America is headed. You Liberals can spill you’re rhetoric all you want, but this Conservative and I’m sure there is plenty of others, who will pray to God for the change WE can believe in. I’m in a holding pattern until November, and I firmly refuse the Liberal kool aid and won’t swallow anything but the truth, and Believe me doll, I’ve been reading both sides of the coin.
          THE GRASS IS NO GREENER, ON YOUR SIDE OF THE FENCE, so I’m staying here!

      • Sally S.

        Kimmie,

        Give it up. These people are as closed minded as you’ll ever meet. Some even believe the earth to be only 6,000 years old. They have one view on things and refuse to even admit that something else could work. The come here for attention. Bob lets them vent here. It’s good of him to do that. If he didn’t I think some would fly off the handle totally and do something regretful. But then it is fun to anoy them. LOL

        • angel-wanna-be

          Sally S, flys are annoying, we are ammused!

          • Sally S.

            Remember,

            Every time you kill a fly 5 come to the funeral.

          • JeffH

            the fly… Some true flies have become secondarily wingless, especially in the superfamily Hippoboscoidea, or among those that are inquilines in social insect colonies.

            “inquilines” The distinctions between parasites, social parasites, and inquilines are subtle, and many species may fulfill the criteria for more than one of these, as inquilines do exhibit many of the same characteristics of parasites. However, parasites are specifically not inquilines, because by definition they have a deleterious effect on the host species, while inquilines do not.[citation needed]

        • angel-wanna-be

          JeffH, OK, I’m impressed!__lol

          • JeffH

            a-w-b, we got each other back covered.

          • angel-wanna-be

            JeffH, Yepper!

  • JC

    Since the Tea Party movement is made up mostly of real American Patriots who have taken to the streets to sound the alarm about the communists in the White House, it’s understandable that the left wing
    doeas what they do best – resort to slander. It’s all they’ve got.
    These protestors of Globalism and the loss of American Sovereignty
    are the heros of our generation and will be remembered as such.
    And just for fun let’s throw in a message from the past…
    From Samuel Adams to all you Globalist Commies…

    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

    • http://www.sensiblechange.org Ken

      How about that Kimmie? Another manifestation of leftwing illogic and scattershot generalization that shamelessly parades itself for all to witness:

      Consider her statement: “Another 18 percent of Americans identify themselves as Tea Party supporters. That’s really not very many.” By my calculation, that’s 54 million people. Other polls have shown support for the Tea Party higher than that of both major political parties. Without question, this is a major force, and it is growing with each subsequent Obama attack on our freedom.

      Or consider this Kammie rant: “Because most Americans are not as angry, hatefully, and paranoid as the Tea Baggers.”

      Other than an inability to construct a grammatical sentence, this one is grossly inaccurate as well as obscene. Tea Partiers may be angry that their country is being dismantled, but hate and paranoia have nothing to do with it. Only a very real love for country and a genuine concern that we are pursuing economic policies that are doomed to fail and bankrupt our nation in the process. Moreover, many more people than the 54 million share the sentiments voiced by Tea Partiers.

      Or consider this mindless Kammie generalization: “Your crowd is also over 45. Which means they are most likely from the “ME” generation. Those of us younger will get things straightened out the right way after a while.”

      This one doesn’t even pass the smell test. Such aged-based generalizations are unworthy of comment. In fact, mature Americans are more likely to have the time to devote to defending our nation’s heritage and protecting the legacy we want to leave to our children and grandchildren. We recognize that successive generations have failed to get our fiscal house in order and that politicians, particularly those on the left, but also some on the right, have a proclivity for using tax dollars to buy votes. Statistically speaking, it was the younger generation that bought into the Obama lies and mystique, lacking the knowledge and historical perspective to see beyond his rhetoric. Yet, they have the most to lose in a world of constricted opportunities, slower economic growth, big government, higher taxes, and massive debt. In 2004, the Congressional Budget Office projected that income tax rates would to double by 2050 and increase by 150% by 2080 just to pay for existing entitlement spending. This was, obviously, before enactment of health insurance “reform.”
      That means that a middle class person in the 25% bracket ($33,000 to $82,000) will be paying a marginal tax rate of 50% by 2050 and 62.5% by 20280. That is your future Kammie, that is, if you get your diaper fastened and actually get a job. It is the ignorance of people like you, regardless of age, that threatens the future of our country and the future of the people in it. Most Tea Partiers are motivated by a desire to hand over to their children a better, more prosperous, and freer America, rather than an unsustainable socialist welfare state.

      “No Government Healthcare! Keep your hands off my Medicare!” Gota love that thinking. LOL”

      I have never seen any placards that juxtapose those two sentiments. That is merely the invention of Kammie’s silly logic. Most Tea Partiers recognize that that our current entitlements are already unsustainable and that adding new ones, a la health insurance “reform,” will only compound the problem, particularly since it will increase health insurance costs, not lower them. And while there are problems with Medicare, its recipients paid into that system their entire working lives, unlike those who will be receiving government-funded health insurance as a welfare entitlement. So, the laugh’s on you Kammie for not comprehending those basic facts.

      However, there is a cure for you Kammie if you start on a program of self-education. . You can start by reading Mark Levine’s “Liberty and Tyranny,” followed by Milton Freidman’s “Free to Choose,” Frederick Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom.” and “Basic Economics” by Thomas Sowell. Then, I would suggest Lyle H. Rossiter’s, M.D.’s “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness” for diagnosing your malady.

      • angel-wanna-be

        Ken, Yes Ken, Kimmie and those like her, are out in force today!__End of the month pay day was this past weekend. So they’re feeling rather rambunctious__Like I previously posted, the Libs are short on facts, loooong on insults and that’s all!

        • Kimmie

          Why do you assume that everyone that is a liberal, or doesn’t think like you receives government bennifits? I work 5-6 days a week and over 40 hours.
          It’s like me calling you a terrorist just because you’re a tea bagger. If I’m a freeloader then your a terrorist set to kill inocent people because they don’t think like you.

      • Kimmie

        Such aged-based generalizations are unworthy of comment.

        Wow you sure took a lot of time to comment on something unworthy to comment on.

        As Tea Party activists gather for local Tax Day protests, new data is providing a clearer picture of the movement’s supporters.

        A recent poll by CBS News and the New York Times (opening door widely for criticism of MSM) revealed some numbers that might be surprising, others that might not:

        •Eighteen percent of Americans say they identify with the Tea Party.

        •The poll found people who identify with the Tea Party are “wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class.” Thirty-seven percent are college graduates, compared to 25 percent of the general population.

        •They tend to be “Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.”

        •Most send their children to public school and think the amount they paid in taxes this year was “fair.”

        •A plurality think Sarah Palin is not qualified to be president.

        •Nine in 10 disapprove of President Obama’s job performance.

        •Seventy-eight percent of supporters have never attended a Tea Party rally or donated to the cause. (Cheap son of guns, Typical let someone else do it. LOL)

        •More than half — 58 percent — keep a gun in the household

      • Lisa Jones

        Well Ken,
        she must have struck a nerve with you because you sure went to a lot of trouble to make an A– out of her. In my mind she won because because she got to you. LOL

        • JeffH

          Why would you think differantly, afterall, birds of a feather flock together!

          • Kimmie

            That’s why you’re in the cockoo nest?

    • http://algotto.com buddy-a-nam-tay-say

      does any one really know Timothy McVeigh.do tou know he was in gulf 1 and worked in special ops under direct orders of the cia.and he aldo won the silver star.we all seen hin put side the buolding park the truvk get out and walk to a car and drive away.aldo why was the fire truck their at 6am that morning no one called them and who planted the bombs in side the building i even seen firemen carring some of them out that didnt go off their was a lot more in this tham mcveigh and nicoles.and their is two colledged near their with earthquake rector scales boath od then showed 2 explosens at the same magute just mill seconds apart.i got to get new glasses and when i can see better i will do a full right up on this and put it on my web site and leave one here to.bussy-a-nam-tay-say.cherokee indian.i never speak with a forked toung.ps sorry for the spelling.

  • Boo T

    I would be so happy if we could bring all our troops home and guard our own borders close to home, and use the supposedly great intel to ward off any outside threats. That would be too simple and make too much sense and probably not feasible in the grand scheme of things, but that would be great. Simplicity is lost.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Along the same topic, why does nobody but Glenn Beck mention the two “white” weathermen(talk about racism) out of Chicago in the 60′s that started a Black Movement first to take over America and then the UN? Remember, Charles Manson of California took off on these two guys! They now are in Africa uniting the 70% of the countries that make up the UN, but without veto power! However, the guy that these two white weathermen put in our “White” house has veto power! President Obama gives them 11 % of the World’s population veto power! Wake up America! This is the Marxist(anti-messiah) described in Revelation of the Bible! Karl Marx himself said that Marxism in anti-messiah, so I’m not spreading gossip! The Bible is not about anyone but Israel(America) and Judah, who is not named Israel, only America and Great Britain have that title according to the bible! Here comes the two witnesses to punish America for breaking the command given us in Deuteronomy 17:15! It’s called Jacob’s trouble! And “Charlie” Manson is the sick one? Look in the mirror America!

    • American Citizen

      I don’t know from whence you get your interpretations from the Bible, but they are so skewed. The Bible is all about hope and redemption, a turning back to God. It’s all about God being in control and that Satan and his minions will be defeated.

    • http://Joplinatheistsociety.com Andrew Maddock

      President Clinton is correcy the Tea Party’s and its memebers are nothing more than homegrown terrorist. Tea Party is a joke and are full of crazy christian right wing republicNS. tHEY SHOULD BE ALL PUT IN JAIL.

      • Airangel

        Andrew…you are a joke for believing that crap…last time I checked, organizing protests to defend your Constitutional Rights was American and not Terrorism…boy do you have a lot to learn….now Non-American illegals lieing about being “racially profiled” and rioting and destroying American property and throwing glass bottles at American police officers and shooting at American law enforcement…that would be closer to Terrorism but more like lazy law-breaking low lifes who have no honor or respect for anything…now the bomb in NYC…that’s cowardly Terrorism…hope I’ve educated you a wee bit!

    • Wanda Graham

      Clinton was the best president we ever had in office.

      • Right Wing

        Wanda, you left so many openings there but I will sum up what many probably think of you…I bet you wish it was your blue dress.

      • Kimmie

        And Obama will be the second best!

        • laura

          Have you and wanda taken your prozac today kimmie???
          HAHAHAHAH!!!!

          GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ALL THOSE WHO LOVE HIM!!!

  • JPW-

    The Tea Party is basically a millionaires club.It’s main objective is to keep their taxes lower.Anyone making over $250,000 will see a tax increase or I should say their tax break will expire.They are funded by Dick Armey’s army of big wigs.There are a lot of well meaning individuals caught up in these protests saying everything is unconstitutional where are my rights etc.They just do’nt realize they are being scammed by the rich in pushing their agenda.If you make less than $250000.00 a year your at the wrong party.

    • Larry Stanley

      Man there are a lot of people then that make over 250K. what a dip comment. Was Charles Manson a Tea Bagger too?

    • American Citizen

      If you make $250,000 a year, you won’t be for long. The present administration’s goal is to make everybody the same. It’s policies will hit everybody, rich, retired, middle class and the poor.

    • blamesomeoneelse

      ” The only thing necessary for evil to triump is for good men to do nothing.” Edmond Burke

      Who is running this government? Who get rich? Name me all the congressmen that are not rich! They are making laws to tax themselve? Where did obama get his money? How can you beleive they are intersted in anyone else? Why are there more poor today then 50 years ago? Was it our government help that teaches them to make a living for themselve or does it hold them down and continue to add to the ranks. Check how many paid taxes this year,51%! Wait till it gets to just the top 10% that pay taxes and that would be who? Our government exempts themselve from the laws, from the obamacare plan from living like, everyone they rule over.
      The tea party must succeed or the county will fall.

    • JeffH

      JPW- That deserves nothing more than a big laugh…keep on trying.

      • eddie47d

        Kate 8; Yup the KKK had few Democrates on their side. Until R. Kennedy said enough is enough and had to scold his party and all bigots. So the KKK got mad and quit the Democrates and joined the Republican Party in a massive switch. Sorry to burst your bubble.

  • http://malcolmsr@gossdrive.com Malcolm

    Someone who does not know the meaning of “IS” is trying to lecture us. I don’t think so. Go liberals, we need more of this type hype to let us know how stupid you are……………

    Good Old Bald Headed Redneck Country Boy

    • JeffH

      Malcolm, anywhere libs are involved it becomes a clear case of “stupid is as stupid does”.

  • Greg

    Mr bill clinton is a LIAR,aCHEAT and a theif just like his good buddy mr.obama. Do you not remember clinton walking around with his cum soaked girlfriend. He is a low life too and we the people were stuipid enough to put him in office as we did the liar, cheat and theif that is in there now.

    • chuck b

      amer lib

      still worried about sarah palin. sarah gives more hope all the time, she has the commies standing on their ear with fear. if they didn’t fear her the rhetoric would have died down long ago.

      timothy mcveigh was executed for the okla city bombing, billie boy and reno murdered 74 men women and children in front of the whole world and walked away free.

    • Duende

      I’m amazed at the liberals that call the right wing nuts and the right wing that calls the liberals fools. As far as I’m concerned both parties, democrat and republican are both full of “explicative deleted” with none of them representing what’s best for the American people and even what’s best for the world. They represent only the wealthy elite who control both parties (and countries). I’m suspecting there are a lot of Tea Party people who are sick of the republicans and of course many Green party members who are sick of the Democrats of course and are well aware of the illusion that we have two parties. How about the Green Tea party. We all know Green Tea is good for us :-). Our current and past governments continue to perform atrocities in the name of progress and spreading democracy. It’s time to really wake up instead of one eye open focusing on the opposition party and not oneself.

      • Al B Tross

        I am a founding member of the Green Party. And yeah, you bet I am sick and tired of The Dems suport of the ultra wealthy, but the DEms are not, nor have they ever been, leftists, let alone anything near socialist.

        I am a socialist, and the Dems are NOT!!!!

        The only difference between the Dems and the Right is the Dems lube you before they screw you, the right just beats you bloody first. Then they blame you.

        But that’s why I joined the Greens, we decide issues by concensus, that is every concerned party has to agree on the solution, everyone! No 51% majority that can dictate to all. Its tedious, but that is democracy, it can be a tedious, messy process, but that how we believe true democracy can work.

        I encourage all on this board to read Dr Robert Altemeyers work on Authoritarian behavior. For over 30years he has studied, tested, re-tested and has confirmed empirical evidence as to the cause, and mindset, of Authoritarians.

        http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

        He has found that people who make, or agree strongly with statements, such as this commentor….

        ” Calm down – keep your powder dry and secure – practice as you can afford and teach someone you care about with each trip to the range or wood lot. Just remember to teach someone each day that this is simply about the principles and standards of the people who understand the difference between living by the standard of individual rights and God given liberty – or communal “Rights” – cited by men in power at any given time in our history- elected or NOT. God Bless America and Her Sacred CONSTITUTION. Swear to support it in your heart – Join us in keeping our liberty by defeating the one party marxist assaulting us.”

        This was made by Dave H, a regular on this site, and is a perfect example of the Authoritarian mindset. This person is more likely to commit an act of predjudice, and violence against any “perceived” enemy that he feels threatened by, REAL or NOT!!

        He will confirm this by accusing me of being an enemy, by not being a good American, by being a liar with a liberal agenda, anything and everything to discredit me and make him feel superior, thus secure.
        He will deny the science, which, in this case, is irrefutable.

        If you agree strongly with his statements and viewpoints, then , you too share an Authoritarian mindset, and view. You too, under the right circumstance, will commit an act of aggression against a perceived threat, real or not. It does happen , history, and science, proves it.
        Please prove me wrong.

  • Imformerdale

    First when i call myself Imformerdale it Means I’m Not the former dale, it is not informant misspelled. After reading the truth about what drove people Like Timothy McVeigh to what they did. Twenty years ago i would have said that is BS. But now i Know It as the truth Not what happened to Timothy But what our Governmnet will do to try to corrupt our citizens. I am not the person that i used to be but our government is play the same game. I used to be heavily involved in drugs until the Mexican Familia decided to hold my family as hostage. When i broke away our governmnet knew of my past and the were continualy trying to get me to go back to my old ways. They went to my employers and had me fired. They Had my car REPOSSEESSED to try to get me to do an illegal act to get it back. they hang up professinional licenses for which i have a few for 2-4 years hoping to push me past the edge and bankrupt me. They follow my family and I, they question your contacts. It is not ABOUT PARANOIA. It is about knowing what they will do and to end they will do it. I have kept clean sence 1995 and they won’t get me to go back to my ould ways. I Will die of old age first. 15 years later these people we elected are still spending thousands on my semi annual review. You liberals think that BS. When the time comes our government will eat you up. If you are not sitting at the table then your being served. Your time will come. I must say one thing those incidents have only made our governmnet more careful in their conversions and conspiracies.

  • Homer

    You KNOW the Blind lead the blind, and IF anyone out there thinks for one minute that this govt has any care for us or this country, they are just plain “Stupid” I mean DUMB on purpose! Clinton was a poor excuse for president and he is part of the problem. Just because he doesn’t sit in the office doesn’t meaen he is not helping to destroy this nation! WAKE UP America! GOD WILL SOON DESTROY this nation and then all the else will not matter! This will be a third world nation, if this country doesn’t open its spiritual eyes! People are so deceived!!!Max, YOU have it right Brother! NO GOD! NO PEACE, KNOW GOD, KNOW PEACE! JESUS CHRIST came into the world as a light, and as a warning to the lost and dying world! IF this country will not harken to the WORD(s) John 1:1 KJV then it shall utterly be destroyed Pro 13:13KJV America you have gone cold! prepared for destruction,IF you don’t turn from this wickedness! P.S. One thing for sure when the U.S.A. is destroyed there will not be an immigration problem, why would anyone stay in a country when there is nothing to offer, no prsperity and no reason to stay!

    • Imformerdale

      You could not be more right. Amen!

    • blamesomeoneelse

      God has no reason to destroy this country, he was asked to leave here. He is watching and waiting to see who believe in him. The lack of God’s love is evil and that will bring down this county.

    • angel-wanna-be

      Amen, Homer!!!

  • Kimmie

    “when it’s time to use our loaded weapons” It’s words like these that make people think you are unstable and violent. If you are not violent then why to use words that threaten violence and killing? So many other choices of words. And you wonder why the people are scared of the Tea Baggers.

    • American Citizen

      It’s people like you who deliberately misinterpret or misreport the meanings that are scary. The “loaded weapon” is the ballot not bullet. It’s been said time and again what they mean. What you should be afraid of is the liberals being turned out. But I say, “Hurray”, I hope they’re successful.
      Be careful what you ask for, you just my get it. Liberalism in it’s current form would be the downfall of this country.

      • Ruby

        Thanks, American Citizen. I knew someone would misinterpret those words, and ignore the message of my comments: STAY THE COURSE. I currently don’t own a gun – can’t afford one. Isn’t that odd…a POOR conservative? LOL Yet, I can’t qualify for any government programs except unemployment insurance. LOL Thank God I know how to balance a checkbook and make ends meet even with that little income.

        • JeffH

          Ruby, if you should ever need one, I’ll be more than happy to provide the proper training, saftey and use. I’ll even lend you a gun and ammo if need be, so you may defend your life and property from the evil thugs in he world.

          • Kimmie

            Must be horrible to be so paranoid all the time. Do you have a lot of people trying to take your property away? Maybe you need to move to a nicer neighborhood. Of course we could have more nice neighborhoods if we spent money the right way instead of on wars and giving it to other nations. Oh yeah, that’s right it’s socialism to spend money here at home, but defending freedom to invade another nation for no real reason.

          • angel-wanna-be

            JeffH, Liberals, I’ll repeat Once again,__no facts today, just insults.

          • JeffH

            a-w-b, I crack up reading not only the insults but the everyday common parroting by the Obama sheeple. We’re way past that part of it, but they cling to their hatred like a 4 year old cling onto Raggedy Ann doll. There words are just that, words with no more meaning to me than those that spout them. It’s much easier when you know where they’re coming from. Too easy as a amtter of fact.

            They live in the “paranoia mind destroia” universe.

          • Jana

            Ruby,
            No she didn’t misinterpret your message she twisted it and it was on purpose. This is what the ANTI AMERICAN INFIL TRAITORS do. This is their goal.

      • Troy

        Then why not just use the words “Use our votes at the polls” Why must it be made to sound violent. You try to instill fear and Intimadate people with your words and reference to guns. You need that threat in order to feel powerful. My father took me hunting at an early age. I even own some guns of my own now. I am not afraid of anyone taking them away. I am not against guns what so ever. But I do not use gun terms and wording to imtimadate and scare people. You are weak for using such language and it shows you have a very violent side. You try to disgise it by saying that’s not what I ment. But you are only fooling yourself.

        • JeffH

          Troy, your using the common theme of the leftist liberals…Man up…you have nothing to fear but fear itself.

        • Jana

          Wow, Troy is a big boy now, in some ways, but not yet grown up enough to understand common sense or how to read with comprehension. Sounds like a leftie to me.

    • Right Wing

      Kim you seem partially educated although I question your emotional stability? The statement was a metaphor. That is to say it represented the same effectual outcome of establishing a free Republic albeit by very different terms. You see the American Revolution was an event that occurred whereby the American Republic was established outside of the English monarchy. In that time, weapons were used to combat English troops that were transported to America in an unsuccessful attempt to regain control. As part of the ratifying documents that established this great free country, there is an instrument identified as a “vote” by which all free citizens may choose to place elected officials in the service of the country. This metaphorical comparison therefore, applies the concept of the “vote” replacing the “weapon” to achieve the desired result of affecting change. I hope this helps to alleviate any duress that Ruby’s comments may have caused. Sincerely, STFU

      • Kimmie

        I fully undersatnd what Ruby meant. But it also shows a violent side. Even the healthcare bill. Kill the bill. Shows violence. It wasn’t stop the bill. it was Kill. These people have violent undertones and some day one of them is going to do something stupid. Some are stable working Americans. Others are unstable nut cases and the Tea Baggers are fueling the fire. Just as the radical Islamist do. Notice the ones in charge don’t actually do the terrorist act. They just talk the talk to make others mad and then people are willing to perform the terrorist act. Think hard about it. Think about the angry people at your protest. It’s scary.

        • angel-wanna-be

          Kimmie, TEAPARTIERS are simple Americans fed up with the Feds controlling, regulating and taxing, every aspect of our lives, but you wouldn’t understand that___Saavey?

        • Peter

          How about the Chief of Homeland Security, a hand picked member of obama’s brilliant administration, calling returning veterans potential ” domestic terrorists”, thats not infalmitory??????? The woman ? should be flogged, but she is representitive of what obama’s administration and his close circle of friends..

          • angel-wanna-be

            Peter, and don’t forget about the Lexicon that HMS written and released, about all of us Terrible Right Wing Extremists!

          • JeffH

            Peter, lest we not forget the almighty man-woman Janet Reno.
            Her take on Waco, Texas:

            JIM LEHRER: What was your darkest day or what was your darkest time during these eight years?
            JANET RENO: Well, you were there. I was… It was Waco.
            JIM LEHRER: Yeah, yeah. I’m sure you’ve spent a lot of time thinking about that. What went wrong?
            JANET RENO: One… It’s obvious what went wrong, but one will never know what the right answer was, because one doesn’t know what Koresh would have done two weeks later without any provocation, so we just have to learn.
            JIM LEHRER: And did you make the decision… do you think you made the wrong decision?
            JANET RENO: I’ll never know. Clearly, if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn’t do it, but I don’t know whether I could have avoided it down the line. There are those that have reviewed this case in-depth and said he could have done the same thing two weeks later with people not bothering him at all.

            Janet Reno essentially admits that she/FBI provoked Koresch. Killed innocent Amaericans through provocation.
            She remains free to this day!

            http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june01/reno_1-18.html

          • JeffH

            FBI Reverses Its Stand on Waco

            By Richard Leiby
            Washington Post Staff Writer
            Thursday, August 26, 1999; Page A1

            The FBI yesterday reversed a six-year-old position that it never used munitions capable of sparking the blaze that ended a standoff with the Branch Davidian sect near Waco, Tex., and left 76 people dead.
            The acknowledgment that FBI agents fired “a very limited number” of potentially incendiary tear gas cartridges on the final day of the 51-day siege contradicts congressional testimony from high-ranking Justice Department officials, such as Attorney General Janet Reno, who said that the tear gas used against the Davidians “could not have caused a fire.”

            “The conspiracy of silence is beginning to crumble,” Caddell said. “The government lied about this. What else have they lied about?”
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/aug99/davidians26.htm

        • Right Wing

          Kim, Think hard about this. Any cause for change from the status quo is radical. Whether you like it or not, humans have always fought each other ranging from argument to bludgeoning. Just because YOU have no stomach for war does not make it unnecessary. Based on your comments I suspect you might be an isolationist and believe the US should retreat to within its own borders leaving the world to sort its own affairs. One day you will grow to understand that you must grit your teeth and put on your war face instead of watching others suffer outside of your comfort zone.

          Bottom line here is that Americans who truly appreciate the intent of the Constitution and the care taken by our founders to foresee the pit we find ourselves in ARE angry. We did let this happen to us by degrees but it is understandable that by degrees we were led into this hole. The remaining conscious citizens that have the moxie and grit to stand and oppose the viral government that men like Thomas Jefferson saw as a threat to freedom will do so with all the strength and conviction in their being. We the People are not afraid to use our voices and our votes to try and affect this change.

        • JeffH

          Kimmie, you think everyone is so stupid they can’t see through your comments? Can’t see through Obama’s, Pelosi’s, Reid’s, Grayson’s, Clinton’s or Carter’s comments. You hacks are the only ones exspousing the violence ideas and accussations. It’s almost become a daily ritual with you liberals and Democrats. You guy’s sound like the “Polly want a cracker…baaarrraaaccckkk! parrots you all are!

          • kimmie

            I don’t think you’re stupid. I just think your anger is pointed in the wrong direction. You let it happen and now you’re looking to blame the new guy for it. Igf in 2012 you give me a better canadate to vote for other than Obama I will. Look who you gave me in 2008. I didn’t even vote for him in the primary. What loser he is.
            To me the tea baggers are nothing more than a loud mouth group of people that have nothing better to do. They want attention. Their anger is misguided by other loud mouth entertainers such as Glenn Beck and Rush. The media has fallen right into your trap. No matter how big or small the ralley the media is there to report it. I’m sick and tired of the noise. I want solutions. I’m tired of Republican in congress just stalling and playing politcal games. It’s all bull and the tea baggers are part of the problem, not the solution.

          • JeffH

            kimmie is more concerned with her position at the trough!

    • Peter

      More or less violent than the citizens on the green at Concord? Thats in Massachusetts where the American Revolution started. ( just an FYI, I know how the school systems are today. )

      • Mark

        Timothy McVeigh was not a terrorist, he was a government agent and he is most likely still alive and well.

        McVeigh was the first person in history to:

        1) Withdraw his appeals and waive all future appeals of his death sentence.(despite the fact that the FBI had failed to turn over more than 4,400 pages of documents to McVeigh’s defense)

        2) Not request clemency. (as 99.9% of condemned prisoners do)

        3) Request that no postmortem autopsy be performed after his execution.

        4) Have a smile on his face as he was “executed”.

        5) have so many witnesses to his execution state how uneventful it was.

        6) Have at least two reporters who witnessed his execution claim that McVeigh was still breathing after being pronounced dead.

        Speaking of executions, Richard Snell was (allegedly) executed on April 19, 1995, the same day of the Oklahoma City bombing. Twelve years earlier, in 1983, Shell had also planned to bomb the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, but was arrested, imprisoned, and convicted of unrelated murders.

        And despite what the FBI has claimed, they could not have identified the Ryder truck with numbers from the rear axle. Rear axles do not have VIN numbers and are not uniquely identified.

        • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

          As with Osama Bin Laden and now the Sheikh emerges to take his place. What is going on here is that The U.S. government had to bring okla city bombing investigation to an end just as the 9-11 mystery has to end. The government must put on trial and convict a culprit (patsy) so that it can close the cases before they explode. Hence Oswald, Tim McVeigh, Bin Laden, and now the Sheikh.

          • Nick

            Clinton is a Joke he was nothing more than a Whore Monger and a Murderer.

        • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

          What is going on here is that The U.S. government had to bring okla city bombing investigation to an end just as the 9-11 mystery has to end. The government must put on trial and convict a culprit (patsy) so that it can close the cases before they explode. Hence Oswald, Tim McVeigh, Bin Laden, and now the Sheikh.

        • Sidewinder

          Interesting Mark what you were saying about McVeigh still breathing after execution. I hadn’t heard that, thats something I’m gonna look into.

          You are one of the few who seems to lean toward McVeigh being a government agent. I am fairly certain he was, CIA most likely. And if thats the case…..we only need to catch them involved in just 1 domestic terror operation, because if we can prove they were willing to do 1, then its a good guess they were also capable of more false flag domestic terror operations against the American people.

          There are so many anti terror laws on the books. It would seem to me that these laws could be used against the government in general in a wide sweeping investigation. I think these terrorist acts including 911 need to be reinvestigated.

          • JeffH

            Sidewinder, after reading Mark and your posts, I thought I would check it out.

            WEEKLY WORLD NEWS
            http://www.weeklyworldnews.com

            SEPTEMBER 18,2001

            EXCLUSIVE By Cliff Lindecker

            TIMOTHY McVEIGH IS ALIVE

            WEEKLY WORLD NEWS EXPOSE!
            FLATHEAD LAKE, Mont. – Convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh

            survived his “execution” and was spirited away as part of an intricately planned

            govermenrt scheme to prepare him for his new life underground.

            The covert CIA operation was organized weeks before the staged execution at the

            U.S. Penitentiary at Terre Haute, Ind., according to longtime federal whistle-blower
            Stewart Webb and others opposed to what they described as America’s
            “Shadow government” and the New World Order

            According to the astonishing scenario drawn by Webb and other sources in three states, including former government agents, the scheme to save McVeigh’s life was hatched after he refused to “walk the plank” and threatened to reveal the wider conspiracy. So the CIA arranged for the phony execution, and flew McVeigh from Terr Haute to a closely guarded island on Flathead Lake in northwestern Montana.

            http://www.stewwebb.com/Ok%20City%20Bombing%20Tim%20McVeigh%20is%20alive.htm

    • angel-wanna-be

      Kimmie, Another over-reacting lib!

    • Manuel

      Reality is this:
      1. Bill Clinton was a disgraceful president who came close to impeachment and wasted 8 years without meaningful legislation.
      2. George Bush (Junior and Senior) were some of the most ineffective presidents to date. Their leadership left much to be desired.
      3. Don’t forget smiling Jimmy, he gave a new meaning to the term “having an idiot for a president”. That is until Obama took over.
      4. Violent radicals have always existed in every country and the only difference is that now they make the headlines, all for money. Also that most of them seems to be holding office.
      5. The Tea Party movement is very real and the only logical alternative to those who really love this country for what it once was.
      6. Come November there will be a true surprise. The democratic process will take over and so will America.
      So, those of you liberals, who are already frothing at the mouth, get ready because you will be out of all influence in government. Start honing some work skills because you will need them. illegals, start packing cause you will not be welcome here anymore.

      • Nick

        Bill and all who Followed him ARE Vomit Urein and Puss,The Same Bastards that Formend the Federal Reserve Banksin 1913 Gave You the First Sales Tax, The Incom tax, and Mandatory Auto Insurance All part of the Communist —- Manifesto Planks,the Abolishment of your Private property. Aree the POne who put these Evil people in power to Destroy America Look at all the Swindlers in the Banking System to day Including Bernny Madox, GoldmanSachs,BearStearn,Morgan Stanley,AIG.Geico Insurance Progreesive inSurance and the General Ins. ETC> ETC. ETC. AIG and all in Wall Street. ant Then you will Realise Who Your Real Enemy is. Not the —- they are using to day for you to pick on Like we did to Japan Italy and Germaney ,Let alone the Aisians nor the Middle East TODAY.
        There are No Americans in the Military Killing and Dieing for America only For the Futher Loss of America .
        No American Should have lost a Home to Foreclouser as Theses God Dameed Bankers Never loaned Them Any Lawfull American Money, and They Never Worked for it Either ,THEY JUSTHAD IT PRINTED For Them and You Get to Pay the Interst to Your own Government the Rest of Your Childrens Life

        • Mick

          It is spelled urine you idiot.

          • Mick

            never mind. correcting the spelling of the stupid is a waste of time.

          • Right Wing

            Mick, retired military or militant? Well it certainly did not teach you any manners or respect for other’s limitations. If you have such disdain for people because they use caps lock, spell incorrectly, or use poor grammar, then be sure very few people will respect your opinion.

          • Sidewinder

            LOL!

          • Mick for thought

            Yes it so hard to push the spell check button. Good grammar gets your thought across without looking stupid.

  • sonia kling

    George Bush became president illegally and drove our country down and caused the death of 100′s of thousand innocent Iraqi people and destroyed their country.

    How scary and stupid to have an idiot like Sarah Palin (governor quiter) as leader of a very crazy tea party organization. Every day tea partiers show us how uninformed they are.

    • American Citizen

      You Dems can’t get over the fact that the Supreme Court would not let Al Gore steal the election. He and his minions were forced to abide by the law. All counts done after the election was over showed that Bush won.

      • BonnieMW

        This is an odd incident that happened the day of Timothy McVeigh’s execution. I received a phone call from the Canadian border control saying that a large sum of money was going across the border into Canada. They asked if we paid cash for lumber that we purchased in Canada. I said, no we didn’t and then I asked the name of the company transporting the cash. They replied, High Mt. Forest Products. That was my brother’s lumber wholesale company. One of his phone numbers rang into our office. I called him and he said, no he was not transporting cash across the border but maybe someone was using his name. He had just came back a few weeks earlier from a business trip into Canada. The border patrol person said it was a large sum of money going to McVeigh Lumber.

        I called the FBI, thinking it was an odd coincident but never heard another word. I have always felt after that call there was some type of conspiracy with the Oklahoma bombings.

      • BonnieMW

        Hopalong, I love how you put it. You are so correct.

    • angel-wanna-be

      Sonia Kling, ANOTHER liberal sheep herder, paid to Rustle the Conservatives!__it’s getting old.

    • Kimmie

      Bush legally won because the supreme court ruled that he did. However the rest of what you said is correct.
      Now think about if the Supreme Court would have ruled Gore the winner?
      The crazy people here don’t even belive Obama won. They think he stole the election with the help of Accorn. LOL.

      • angel-wanna-be

        KImmie, Soro’s is the puppet master_

      • John Chinn

        What has been forgotten about Oklahoma City is this:

        Intially , it was reported, that a Middle Eastern Man had been detained at the Ok City Airport the day of the bombing and then released. No details about the man nor if he was questioned nor why he was detained. Then :

        Less than 5 days Clinton scheduled a press conference, at which he had an FBI Agent sitting behind and just to his right. The agent had an incredulous look on his face , like, what the hell is this man saying. Clinton proceeded to say that no Middle Eastern people were involved. Question ?

        How was it possible to eliminate anyone at that time ? It was not. It took over several weeks to track down McVeigh.

        I would love to know if that FBI agent is still alive and if anyone could get an honest interview from him.

        • Sidewinder

          No John, after McVeigh parked the truck bomb, he walked to his car that he parked in advance and drove away. On his way back to Arizona, he was stopped by the police for not having a plate on his car. I forget the details, but he was arrested, and thats how he was caught.

          McVeigh was caught very soon after.

          The resulting investigation took weeks…yes, thats right. I think there was a plan in place by those responsible to pin it on Middle Easterns like what happened with 911.

          But that look on that agents face was because Clinton stopped that nonsense about middle easterners, and spun it around and used the opportunity to go after the right wing with it.
          Its a game.

          Rougue elements within the Fed Gov did the bombing, and fought with its self over what it could be used for. Clinton stole the intended purpose, and used it for himself. Its was supposed to be used to clamp down on American rights and freedom and to bait us back into supporting a war in the Middle East.

          McVeigh was CIA.

    • Peter

      Don’t blame Bush, blame the Supreme Court. Don’t forget that he also removed a dictator who really murdered 100s of thousands of Iraqis, his own people, used Iranian bodies to build a road to dive his military vehicles over, and used chemical weapons (WMD) on Iranians and his own people and proudly told the world he still had them and was ready to use them again.

    • JeffH

      sonia, perhaps you should to go back and re-discuss all of this with your fellow kling-ons.

  • Jim

    A Different Point of View
    This essay, and the comments vividly illustrate a “blame” game that is propogated by the elite and mainstream news. Mainstream news is owned by the elite, and by powerful politicians. The elite being the extremely wealthy individuals who have enormous power over financial and governmental institutions. They play both ends against the middle in such a way such that people do not look carefully at the details of not merely the bombing of the OK building BUT ALSO 911 (details and evidence regarding building 7/the pentagon and Pennsylvania sites), the reasons and causes around the Iraq/Afghanistan wars etc. If there is going to be real change in the nature of direction and leadership in this country, it will more likely come from people “Joining” toward solutions, than from emotional rhetoric and separatist rhetoric regarding “liberals” or “conservatives”. I have yet to meet anyone who in some ways espouses liberal views, and in other ways espouses conservative views. I think a view and regard for truth, fact finding, community, and solution orientation is desparately called for. Unfortunately, “tea party” and other efforts do not appear to be in that direction.

  • American Liberal

    The teabaggers are just rightwing fringe republicans…. Most are nutcases…

    • angel-wanna-be

      American Liberal, for someone who claims to hate the tea party & republicans so much, you sure spend alot of time on here. I think your a CLOSET CONSERVATIVE, that’s trying to come out!___

      • Kimmie

        Keep your friend close and your enemies closer. You wouldn’t understand that though.

        • JeffH

          …all of you Alinsky-ites are well understood…As old Abe said:
          You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time.

          • Claire

            Sorry folks, but I could never stand the smirk on Clinton’s face. I always thought he felt he was God’s gift to women. YUK.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – sadly, I remember my Mom saying she had to vote for him (although they were lifelong demos) cause he was so handsome. I always got the creeps when I saw him then and now. I could not understand, either, how Mom, could let his massive infidelities slide – she wouldn’t with anyone else. He was then and is now a creep. But he somehow managed to fool an awful lot of people.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–My mother-in-law was the same way. She thought he was soooo handsome! But, my Mother sure didn’t. My Mother called him a shyster. Mom didn’t trust his “eyes” nor his “smirk.” Mom called him a ladies man that was up to no good. I can still hear her! lol

          • JeffH

            My mom always said: Don’t trust anyone that talks out of the side of their mouth. Slick Willy speaks out of the side of his mouth.

          • http://thisone Dave

            Bill Clinton is perhaps the worlds biggest HYPOCRITE!!! The Tea Partiers are very peaceful. No crimes, no violence, just peaceful gatherings where honest, hard working, law-abiding people have gotten together to PEACEFULLY express their discontent about the direction our THOROUGHLY CORRUPT Fed. Gov. is taking our nation. The Tea Partiers are causing NO harm and NO damage. Bill Clinton, on the other hand, caused GREAT harm to America!!! First, he totally TARNISHED the Oval Office with his SLEAZY, ally-cat morality. Then there was Ruby Ridge, Waico, and The Branch Davidians, ALL examples of OUT OF CONTROL Fed.Agencies resulting in unnecessary deaths of citizens and Fed agents. In my book, these are examples of Gov. TYRANNY. And this all happened during the Clinton Adm. I could go on, and on, and ON about Clinton era scandals. And I’m quite sure that if we had an HONEST Justice system(which we DON’T have), but if we DID, I believe Clinton would be in PRISON right now, instead of going around shooting his mouth off about those “dangerous” Tea Partiers.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – slick willy has always, and continues to, give me the “willies”

          • Claire

            libertytrain–I can tell you he didn’t do anything for me either, especially after he got in office and I realized what a shyster he was/is. Typical politician.

    • Theophilus

      I am a strong advocate of the Tea Bag movement. I served my country for thirty years as a U.S. Marine protecting the lives, rights, and freedoms of ungrateful people who’s sole contribution to our way of life is to rant, rave, accuse, and plant invective in the public debate.
      Your comment is precisely why the Tea Baggers are gaining momentum. We are sick and tired of irrational assertions, blind faith in government, and in elitist lies. Flatulent logic and falsehoods will not deter those of us who cherish the construct of government envisioned by the founding fathers.

      • angel-wanna-be

        Theophilus_Very Well Said!

  • JPW-

    Larry Stanley;Your Charley Manson reference is stoopid.

  • Isirio Abelon

    To all liberals who are not concern for our freedom, don’t take for granted with the freedom that God vested to all of us. “I do”. Freedom is not free.
    Try Iran, North Korea, Russia to name a few. Their immigration law is very strict. If you cross their boarders, you’ll be shot or go to prison. Recently, President Clinton have to negotiate the released of Americans who cross North Korea and Iran’s boarder. “Why America can not secure its own boarder?”.
    Illegals, who are already here, understand the consequences. When they get caught, “who cares”. They will be deported where they came from, then come back again… that’s the way it is.
    No way, we can stop the flow of illegals without securing the boarders. THIS IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSIBILITY.
    THANK YOU ARIZONA, YOU DID THE RIGHT THING FOR ALL LAW ABIDING AMERICANS. THE LAW IS ON YOUR SIDE. I hope Texas. Florida and California will follow.
    I petition my Sister in 1988 and until now she is still awaiting for her turn to come here in this Great Country legally. Adios.
    Isirio

    • depserv

      bill clinton is a mass murderer and traitor who belongs in prison along with his dog janet reno, but he wasn’t president when the weaver family was murdered by federal government thugs; george bush senior, also a criminal, was.

    • Right Wing

      I give a full sense of respect for your words Isirio. I applaud your patriotism and because you understand the sacrifices it takes to become a law abiding American citizen. My great grandfathers and mothers did the same and I will pray for you and your family that your sister will be here soon with you. God bless you.

  • Theophilus

    The only issue that Bill Clinton is qualified to comment on is how to give aid and comfort to America’s real enemies. Liberals fear the American character. We are a people who bow to no king, afford respect based on accomplishment, and who are self reliant. It is those traits that seperate us from the boot licking Europeans from whom we came but from whom we disavowed and thus rose to greatness.
    Clinton and Obama would reduce us to mere serfs at the mercy of an all knowing, all powerful, aristocracy of elitist snobs. The spirit of 1776 is again blowing across the land and Clinton and his left wing clones are indeed threatened with the obscurity they deserve.

    “A former Usama bin Laden associate has come forward with shocking allegations about the 9/11 terror attacks. Now, the man’s name is Noman Benotman, and he claims that he was with bin Laden in the months just prior to the attacks.

    And now, in an interview with a WTOP reporter, the man says bin Laden was stunned at the way the U.S. responded to the attacks. Now he says the Al Qaeda leader did not expect President George W. Bush to retaliate the way he did.

    And according to this associate, it all stems from the way President Bush’s predecessor handled terrorism. Instead, this aide says bin Laden was anticipating the same weak reaction to terrorism that we saw throughout the Clinton administration.”

  • Thanxjim

    The right/left paradigm makes folks feel real smart.

    • Right Wing

      I hope it worked for you to develop such an articulate accumulations of thought:)

  • eddie47d

    During the 60-70′s conservatives blamed every protester for every ill of the world. Commie conspiracies were everywhere. Anyone who spoke out had to be an un-American “brown shirt”,to quote Spiro Agnew. Today conservatives attack anyone who’s Moslem or Mexican (illegal or other wise). Then they spin their tall talls which spread like cancer. Everyones a terrorists in the eyes of the right (sounds familiar in your accusations). The question should be; are we going to be suspicious of anyone we don’t agree with? Do you take sides with someone who wants to asassinate the President (Reagan/Obama)? Should these people be investigated or just left alone until it happens? How about someone who wants to blow up Times Square? I think the FBI overreacted to Randy Weaver with deadly results. But why did he make threats to his neighbor about doing harm? Why wasn’t McVeigh put on the radar sooner? Why did the FBI go after the Weather Underground where some of them were killed? Why did George Bush overreact to the Iraq threat? Why didn’t anyone listen then. You say McVeigh had foreign help in Oklahoma,some say the foreigners had help at the World Trade Center (Bush/Cheney).How far are we going to spin these conspiracies? Are we all evil and doomed to live in fear which is what I gather in todays “headline”. I don’t believe that either Clinton (Murrah) or Bush/Cheney (Trade Center) did what the political fearmongers want us to believe.

    • American Liberal

      We fear Sarah Palin?…. Lmaoooo… Please nominate her in 2012….

      • Singing Sam

        A sure way to keep Obama in office.

        Palin / Bachman 2012

        • Airangel

          I like my 3 gals…Palin/Bachman/Brewer…All for One and One for ALL! Wonderwomen!…I of course like Paul Ryan of WI…and since we have many Arabs in our country, I would mind him being the Sheik of that harem! *lol

          • JeffH

            Paul Ryan/Bachmann or Ryan/Palin either or works for me.

    • rjg

      Thanks for a breath of fresh air.

  • http://google fogey60

    the Beast (government) has 2 heads one called republican the other democrat but is the same beast until both heads are removed the beast lives on with no changes just grows more corrupt.we are in a bull run towards socialism. vote the bums out, take back our government throw the corrupt one in the meanest prison found they deserve it

    • Sidewinder

      fogey60 I couldn’t have said it better

      • Sidewinder

        Yes, this is a classic divide and conquor strategy.

        We are being divided with political idealogoly so we go around in circles, never seeing the true enemy.

        And that enemy is the corrupted 2 parties. They are one in the same.

        • Sidewinder

          I read all the comments on here.

          Americans are so confused, so decieved on every front.
          Deceived on every front.

          They are forever blaming the other party accusing the other of the very same things they turn a blind eye to within their own party of choice. Around and around in circles they go.

          The problem is clear, but they refuse to see it.

          And as they continue to be drawn into listening to polerizing political fire starting propaganda machines like Rush Limbagh and NPR, they continue to polerize.

          Its no accident Rush and NPR are on the air. They are there to polerize America and keep you going in circles so you never see whats happening.

          Step back, and take a close look.

          Nothing ever gets better no matter which party is in the White House, no matter which party hold the majoirty.

          It only gets worse.

          You are all witnessing the finest, most effective propaganda machine the world has ever known. Talk radio, and the hacks that work in it, are just a part of it.

          The problem is all of Washington.

          • Sidewinder

            Read Bob’s articles Intelligence ties to the Underwear Bomber. I am posting a link, but its to this site. hope it works.

            http://www.personalliberty.com/freedom-concerns/intelligence-ties-to-the-underwear-bomber/

            And theres another one on how anti terror laws are being abused and used to spy on Americans. Theres a whole outline of things that have happened to our rights since 911 under the rpeublicans.

          • Sidewinder

            After the above article under the related posts section, under Freedom Concerns, there is a page with some very good articles.

            Worth a read are:
            1. Intelligence Ties to The Underwear Bomber

            2. It’s Eight Years since 9/11 and the March on Privacy Continues

            3. It’s Okay What You Do. Just Keep Me Safe

            It kinda gives some insite to what I’ve been saying that the abuses against our freedoms continue no matter what party is in office.

            To play the idealogical blame game, is to accomplish nothing.
            It allows the status quo to continue.
            And that threatens MY freedom.

          • Right Wing

            Sidewinder I think if you stay with the posts you get a clearer picture that most people here believe the problem IS all of Washington. These posts come from all spectrum of political ideology. The preponderance of quasi solutions presented here (other than the stone throwing) lean toward affecting major governement reform from within the legal confines of “the system”. People here and at Tea Parties do not support violence to affect change.

  • Jim Shatz

    Progressives or Statists (Democrats) demonize any one who they fear. They fear Sarah Palin and the Tea Parties, because their membership in the Universe of Lies has been exposed. Progressives hate productive people, religion (except for Muslims), the Constitution, freedom, the military, conservatives, and capitalism.
    Barry and his fellow progressives are waging a war on prosperity and they have implemented the “Cloward-Piven Strategy” which seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. Additionally they are working hard to spread the wealth around and destroy this country.
    Bill Clinton had a failed foreign policy, he was a pervert and a liar who turned the Oval Office into a whore house and the Lincoln bedroom into a cheap hotel. Oklahoma City bombing occurred on the first pervert’s watch.

    • http://LibertyDigest FatBob

      By the way..Having viewed a video by FOR THE PEOPLE television,( now off the air since 1996) which was an independant investigation by two private investigators, about the Oaklahoma Bombing. Timothy Mc Veihg did NOT have the experience to create or devise the type of bomb(not fertilizer!!)
      that caused this type of damage. It was detonaged and triggered via a nuclear device. There was an Islamic third person involved, that dropped out of sight, and onbody ever questioned ..anything about it!
      Mc Veigh was a pasty..like Lee Harvy Oswald. He was the fall guy. Why had out GOVERNMENT covered up this tragidy.. as well as other gray areas???

  • Joe Ohio

    Hmmm, makes you wonder if the gov has something planned to happen for the November elections. They probably are already infiltrating (spying) the Tea Party Groups right now with a fall guy that they can blame for the next building they want to blow up. I wonder on which Satanic Holiday they’ll choose to do it on this time?
    Timothy McVeigh was nothing but a fall guy for the government blow up job that they executed on a Satanic High Holy Day – just like Waco – which started with Bush (please don’t forget that) and its just down the road from Crawford and don’t forget that since they made a memorial church building to remind everyone of what happened that they (the gov) are now going to build their New World Order Trans Continent Highway running over that very site.

    These people (all the former Presidents are involved) are nothing but a bunch of Devil Worshipers disguised as your “leaders in Democracy”. How long will it take the people to wake up and quit choosing which Satanist that they want in the White House?

  • Peter

    Eenniso
    Chenny did not have an administration. Watch out, your IQ is showing.

    • Kimmie

      Cheney, Bush, Rove, don’t matter what you call it. They only had one brain between them. And Bush had the smallest amount of it.

      • Peter

        Thats ‘Brain among them”. The levees in new Orleans that failed, were the responsibility of the Parishes they were in. The US tax payers paid to have them maintained , the Parish officials spent the money elsewhere, the mayor of N.E. failed to use the resources available to him for evacuation, trains, school buses, taxis etc…, the Gov of LA failed to call for Fed Gov’t help, she said she had it under control. The Feds can’t jump in on their own. Its illegal. It was her call! She waited until a disaster became a catastrophe! Gotta keep this history stuff straight.

      • JeffH

        gimmie Kimmie, can you expand on your comment please? Lay it out with all the facts for us ingnorants. You made the comments, know back them up with facts!

  • Merl Elton

    To say that those who would protect the US Constitution, the citizens of the US are terorists is inded the biggest enabler and also a lawbreaker. Isn’t it breaking the law to cheat on one’s wife with mistresses and wayward staff members some of whom could sue for sexual harassment? Also, isn’t it against the law to allow illegal immigrants to pelt the police with debris, when if a Tea Party member did this; they would possible be jailed and perhaps branded a terrorist? What rights do illegals, who know nothing about our laws; and when they read our laws misunderstand and misinterpret them, have to right to order US citizens what to do and tell US citizens that they cannot protect themselves? And then to send useful idiots like rock stars; and other race baiters and white haters to the forefront to complain of human rights violations and violations of dignity? These people are trying to destroy this country and its people. This is not about PC. The Az laws do not profie or deny human rights to anyone, all they say is that if you are appearing or behaving suspiciously the police can check you out. If police cannot question people driving large trucks; then anyone can drive a large truck anywhere and do anything. Don’t you wish someone had check Tim McVey’s Rider truck?

  • RV in AZ

    This was a very iteresting article, and should be read by all. The comments are interesting also. They show the problem clearly. The left liberals are willing to believe the garbage the mainstream media prints and don’t listen to facts or true history. You really should listen to Fox and talk radio and pay attention. It is not hard to see that democrats are selling this country down the drain. The ones who listen to and believe the Clintons, should do some reserch of their hippy days of fun and drugs, and see who they were helping and defending then, like the blackpanthers, etc. It will give you an idea of their true thoughts. GOD BLESS AMERICA and the tea baggers trying to save us.

  • Merl Elton

    The Consistituion does not guarantee human rights as a blanket; it just guarantees certain indiviudal rights and freedoms like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happienss. Among them these rights is the right to a fair trial; the right not to be killed for having a different religion, philosophy, lifestyle, or political affiliation; etc.. If the Constitution guaranteed happiness to everyone; and not as it is written; the pursuit of happiness; then anyone could demand anything of anyone. Human dignity and human happiness are not guaranteed. We cannot be compelled to like, befriend, associate with, marry, or respect anyone; because our rights grant us freedom of choice. Illegals confuse our laws with PC, because they do not understand our laws. Some illegals that do understand, distort the meaning of our laws for their own destructive political purposes. In Mexico anyone can be detained, searched, even jailed for not having their papers; or upon suspicion, or accusation. What are the illegals complaining about when they do not value PC in their own country? If I went to Mexico and yelled, stamped my feet, threw debris at Mexican police, did not have my papers, I would be jailed indefinitely where anything could happen. The illegals therefore have no legs to stand on when they complain about our just laws that do not violate the rights on any law abiding citizen. Word up to illegals and their allies, do not tread on US citizens and those who would protect this country and her people.

  • lostcrow

    “everything from ignoramuses to racist skinheads to gun-wielding, Bible-toting terrorists”. Wow, couldn’t have said it better myself. Nice work.

  • Susan Ramsey

    Let the democrats rattle on. When you get them to talking we know we have there attention. They are scared and realize that the Tea Party is real and want to go back to the constitution which none of the presidents in years have done. It’s time now for the democrats to face the piper and get ready for a big upset and watch us take back our beloved country. They awoke the sleeping giants so let them say whatever it takes to make them feel better. We know what we represent and that’s freedom, lower taxes, free speech, and so much more they are scared of all that.

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    Clinton as Governor in Arkansas acted as a banana republic for the CIA during the Bush administration. Barry Seal flew drugs in and arms out of Arkansas for the CIA during the Bush administration. In return for Clintons cover in Arkansas, he became a CIA sponsored presidential candidate. In the book “compromised, Clinton, Bush and the CIA”, a KGB agent in Mexico speaking about Barry Seal said, “He bribed and successfully ‘turned’ one of our agents here in Mexico.” “He bought from that agent a copy of a very compromising surveillance video showing your vice president Bush’s children caught in a very compromising situation.” Possibly meeting a load of drugs in Florida. It seems difficult to determine the worst presidency lately. Perhaps a third party Constitutional candidate would make a welcome change.

    • Peter

      Joe, KGB agents are not always the most reliable of sources.

    • Airangel

      Actually the billions of “CASH” at the Drug Cartel’s disposal is astonishing not to mention “fire power”…I have always suspected our Politicians of being bribed to “look the other way” on the Southern Border..both Dems and Repubs…money creates greed and greed creates evil…Why is something so obvious to me like a secure border such an issue of securing and closing off all the illegal infiltration??? This has not been accomplished by any President and you would have thought after 9/11 it would have been a priority…you can’t tell me money because we have blown through billions for less causes…I was actually amazed that Jan Brewer stirred up this Hornet’s nest…she gives me hope!

  • john amann

    I am not a conspiracy advocate but let’s consider the fact for once on the oil spill in the gulf…. Obama proclaims he want to drill in the gulf 10 days before earth day and one day before the rig explodes under suspicious circumstances… the environmental wacko? or coordinated efforts… the blow valve never fails… it is instant
    I wonder?

    • SaltnLight

      I also was confused when OB suddenly came out in favor of (a reversal) off shore oil drilling (a step toward independence and toward fossil fuel proliferation). Now I think there could be something more to this oil slick. The people who are trying to replace the US dollar as the accepted world reserve currency in order to break down our ability to remain sovereign and independent, and to pull us in to world governance, are certainly capable of pulling this off. Guess I’ve really set myself up for a good laugh by these words.

    • Pat R

      John:
      I have felt like it was no accident since I first heard a rig blew up in the Gulf. Too soon after saying he would open drilling, Obama kept saying different things on the topic.
      Also consider the mining accidents (2 of them) just a few days apart.

      It’s all about keeping our great Country torn apart and compressed. Obama does not want to fix the jobs market, other than expanding government.

      I think the Oil Co.s in the Gulf should consider putting under-water surveillance under their rigs! Keep them monitored well. This was in no way an accident!

      Too much going on at once to ignore!!!!!!!!

  • Jim H.

    As usual, since nobody can refute what the real Tea Party members stand for, their opponents have to use false accusations and innuendo to oppose them. Some of these posts claiming that Tea Party members call McVeigh, KKK, Aryen’s, Nazi’s and other hate groups are our hero’s. There is nothing farther from the truth. These people put those accusations out there hoping some weak minded will fall for it. I don’t know if some of these posts are people perpetuating the lie, or some of the weak minds that fell for the lie. I would think Clinton would like for people to forget McVeigh, since it was incidences that happened during operations under A.G. Reno, that got McVeigh upset in the first place. Come-on Slick Willie, let’s try some good HONEST debate.

    • Funny

      You didn’t get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
      You didn’t get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.
      You didn’t get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
      You didn’t get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
      You didn’t get mad when they lied about WMD’s
      You didn’t get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
      You didn’t get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.
      You didn’t get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.
      You didn’t get mad when you saw the Abu Grahib photos.
      You didn’t get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
      You didn’t get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
      You didn’t get mad when we didn’t catch Bin Laden.
      You didn’t get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
      You didn’t get mad when we let a major US city drown.
      You didn’t get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

      You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all ok with you but helping other Americans… well **** that. That about right?

      • American Liberal

        Funny… Great post…. These teabaggers didn’t let out a peep when George W. Bush signed the Wallstreet bailout bill either….. These people are nothing but racist republicans pretending to be something diffrent…..

        • gregory

          SPEAKING OF RACIEST, DO YOU KNOW WHAT PARTY THE K.K.K STARTED WITH? YEA THATS RIGHT YOUR PARTY! THE PARTY OF THE CULTURE OF CORRUPTION. GET OVER YOURSELF, WE ALL CAN SEE YOUR FULL OF HATE..

          • Mick for thought

            The KKK did not start from any party. It was merely a hate group with one thing in mind. Curious why you ran way out on this tangent instead of addressing anything funny tossed at you. Kinda a single minded, screaming, crazy person aren’t you?

        • libertytrain

          The initial beginnings of the KKK could not be described as a hate group. What it evolved into later in it’s history could. And let us not forget the prominent Democrats of the last century who were members and perhaps still some in this one.

      • Jim H.

        Yup, Funny and I’m still mad that Obama hasn’t caught Osama by now . Who would you ask for energy advice? McDonalds? Abu Grahib? No I didn’t.PROVE we were torturing those nice people. Yes, the patients at Walter Reed deserve better. Who LET a major city drown? There was a hurricane and flood. Congress OKed that ILLEGAL war. WMD’s? Moved out before we invaded( look in the Beka Valley). The health care bill has nothing to do with health, just control. You better answer the phone, it’s the DNC calling to tell you how to think, but be careful it may be taped.

        • Pat R

          Jim
          The CIA and Military do not want to find Osama bin Laden! Obama and Osama worked for the CIA in the early 1980′s in Afghanistan. It is their duty to protect their allies!!

          • Jim H.

            Pat, Obama worked for the CIA in the early 80′s? I knew about Osama in the 80′s when the Afghan’s were fighting the Soviets, but I need more info on the Obama link to the early 80′s CIA.

          • JeffH

            Jim H., I also read that on a link, whether it is true or not, I don’t know, but here it is;
            Promoted to Headline (H3) on 12/22/09:
            Obama worked for the CIA

            For OpEdNews: Josh Mitteldorf – Writer

            from anarticle at Online Journal

            Wayne Madsen Reports has obtained additional details on Business International Corporation (BIC), the CIA front company where President Obama spent a year working after graduating from Columbia University in 1983.

            BIC used journalists as non-official cover (NOC) agents around the world. The firm published weekly and fortnightly newsletters for business executives, including Business International, Business Europe, Business Latin America, and Business Asia.

            On February 24, 2009, WMR reported: “For one year, Obama worked as a researcher in BIC’s financial services division where he wrote for two BIC publications,Financing Foreign Operations and Business International Money Report, a weekly newsletter.

            “An informed source has told WMR that Obama’s tuition debt at Columbia was paid off by BIC. In addition, WMR has learned that when Obama lived in Indonesia with his mother and his adoptive father Lolo Soetoro, the 20-year-old Obama, who was known as “Barry Soetoro,’ traveled to Pakistan in 1981 and was hosted by the family of Muhammadmian Soomro, a Pakistani Sindhi who became acting president of Pakistan after the resignation of General Pervez Musharraf on August 18, 2008.”

          • JeffH
          • Jim H.

            Pat& JeffH, Very interesting, Thank you for the info.

        • rjg

          But Jim were was all the rhetoric over the last 30 years.

      • marvin

        funny, your not there an,t one person that can think for them self that can not see were you want to go the blame game do we agree with ever thing bush done hell no, but befor obama is thru bush will look like a saint

      • http://aol ted houser

        Amen Funny…that is exactly right on. And I have been saying the same for a long time…thanks for expressing it so succintly!

      • Right Wing

        Funny,

        I assume you are speaking to conservatives? Although you could also be speaking to liberals? Hard to say for sure because your broad points should make all Americans mad. Personnally I don’t think you are funny. You seem angry?

      • Right Wing

        Oh, I must have been a little slow there…now I get it. You are a liberal…it was the last statement about “helping other Americans” I must have missed. That is called charity and like so many liberals you seem unable to grasp the fact that charity is a moral obligation not a constitutional one. Unfortunately, much of the erosion undermining the constitution started when the government created life-long dependents much like yourself by appropriation of tax funds to charitable causes. This was the beginning of the entitled throng of hand-out zombies We the People are disgusted with.

      • Mick for thought

        Thank you, couldn’t put it better. I suspect the only reponse you will get is bad spelling and name calling from the inbred right.

  • http://none Dale

    A man or woman’s ability to persuade and lead others is not a sign that they are intelligent, only that they have the gift of gab (remember Hitler and Napoleon?).

    Clinton is a yellow-bellied coward, screwed up everything he touched, lied, cheated, and deserted the country to avoid the draft but he became president. Clinton paved the way for the worst president ever, Marxist Obama, his criminal cronies.

    What kind of example do these men set for our children and grandchildren? Those that follow and believe in those that are evil and corrupt are themselves evil and corrupt or at least more likely to be so.

    LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION AND THE TEA PARTIES THAT SUPPORT AND SPEAK THE PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION!

    • http://aol ted houser

      Yeah Dale,

      remember Hitler and Napoleon…kind of reminds me of Bush/Cheney. Clinton was a saint in comparison to the Bush criminal war machine. Bush/Cheney merely killed thousands of American soldiers, hundreds of thousands of Iraquis, who did nothing to us, nearly bankrupted America doing so, committed treason by outing a CIA agent, (Valerie Plame), lied to all Americans about it…and weapons of mass destruction…yet you think Clinton was bad…get a life…and more importantly…get educated!

      • Right Wing

        Ted, open mouth…insert foot. Perhaps you should revisit the books my friend. Hitler and Napoleon compared to Bush and Cheney? You should have remained quiet instead opening your mouth to be confirmed the fool.

  • Winston on Truth

    It is rather odd (but not surprising) that Bill Clinton of all people would compare the Tea Partiers to Timothy McVeigh. Wasn’t it under Clinton’s watch that the Murah Federal Building was bombed but his administration failed to expose that McVeigh was a front man for the radical Islamic terrorists? I guess “Billy with the Blue Dress On” is losing some of his memory these days.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    FOR MANY YEARS NOW I WILL NEVER FORGET WACO AND ALL THE KIDS AND WOMEN THAT WERE MURDERED BY THE GOVERNMENT IN COLD BLOOD AND WHAT HAPPENED AT RUBY RIDGE AT THAT TIME I FELT AS IF THE GOVERNMENT HAD DECLARED WAR ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ( HUNTING SEASON) CLINTON WAS SCUMBAG FOR LETTING IT TAKE PLACE,THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN KORESH IN TOWN MANY TIMES,BUT CHOOSE TO GO AFTER HIM IN THAT COMPOUND,IT WAS CLINTONS CALL AND THAT EVIL FAT WOMEN ( RENO DID HIS BIDDING) AS FAR AS A GUN OWNER AND BELIEVING IN GOD,I AM GULTIY,BUT DOES THAT MAKE ANYONE A TERROIST? NO ONLY TO THOSE THAT WANT TO OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,THEN I FEEL IT IS MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO FIGHT FOR ALL MY FATHER FOUGHT FOR IN THE (SECOND WORLD WAR) AS FAR AS CLINTON IF HE IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTIES POSTER BOY,WELL THEN I GUESS I CAN BE CALLED FAR RIGHT, FOR ANYONE THAT THROW HIS OFFICE DIRECTS SOMEONE ELSE TO PUT IN DANGER AND KILL INNOCENT CHILDERN AND WOMEN IS NO LESS THAN A MURDEROUS SNAKE AND ALL THOSE THAT VOTED FOR THAT WOMANIZING WHORE ARE OF THE SAME VALUE,NO BETTER THAN HORSE DUNG IN THE MIDDLE OF PASTURE,THAT BOY WILL SEE GOD ONE DAY ,BUT IN THE MEANTIME I GUESS WE ALL ARE CURSED WITH ONE OF THE DEVILS SPAUN ,A CHILD OF THE DEMOCRATIC TRAIN OF THOUGHT,WE CAN DO AS WE WISH ,AND USE FINGER POINTING AND NAME CALLING TO COVER THE EVIL THINGS THEY DO ,SOUNDS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE BAILOUT AT WALLSTREET ,BUT SINCE I AM NOT ONE OF THE CHOOSEN FEW I GUESS I JUST DONT GET IT ,THE MONEY! BUT I DO GET THE BILL. DEMOCRATIC PARTY JUSTICE. WHAT A JOKE!AND ITS ON THE WHOLE NATION.

    • Right Wing

      Well said but try the “caps lock” button on your keyboard. When people say you are yelling they mean typing in all caps. Hard to read.

  • http://yahoo.com Gisela

    Bill Clinton has to much time on his hands and not enough attention.Arent there any Monika’s around so he can do what he dos best.

  • American Liberal

    Yep, these rightwing terrorist never said a word when the real socialism and tyranny took place during Bushs presidency…

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    President Bill Clinton has his own skeletons.
    whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.html
    http://www.etherzone.com/body.html

  • Singing Sam

    I want my country back!
    I want lower taxes.
    Keep your socialist hands off my medicare and social security.
    Obama is a socialist.
    Liberals just want a hand out.
    Liberals don’t want to work
    I’m a tea bagger
    I’m a idiot.

    • Right Wing

      Your song sucks. Don’t quit your job…if you have one.

      • Singing Sam

        It’s not a song. It’s the typical rant over and over of the tea party people. Makes no sense does it?

        • Right Wing

          Must be your ears only? I don’t hear a chant like that. Your attempt to characterize tea partiers as a mindless mass follows the media message. Typical political Meandethal. You have no original thought so you wander around repeating other’s.

          • Singing Sam

            Yup,
            Much like 99% of the people posting here. Except for JeffH you’re just a bunch of crazies repeating what you hear on Fixed news.

          • Right Wing

            I see you dance too.

      • Singing Sam

        Actually I don’t have a job. My GF is on welfare and me her and our 6 kids all live quite nicely. Of course the food stamps help out too.

    • JeffH

      SONG OF THE SHEEPLE

      Song, song of the sheeple
      never will convince the American people

      liberals like to show their hate
      in support of the promise to fill their plate
      nothing in the world could ever be free
      not even health care for you or me

      Song, song of the sheeple
      never will convince the American people

      Obama has studied Alinsky and Ayers
      rules for radicals and muslim prayers
      the words from his mouth ring truth no more
      he’s a Marxist believer deep in his core

      Song, song of the sheeple
      never will convince the American people

      government growth and government control
      these websites are filled with his government trolls
      if we lose in November we’re pretty well done
      hang on to your money and cling to your guns

      Song, song of the sheeple
      never will convince the American people

      pride in America is what we say
      we want a free market not government pay
      so praise ole glory and the red white and blue
      lets show our pride, take back America too

      Song, song of the sheeple
      never will convince the American people
      Song, song of the sheeple
      never will convince the American people

      Glory glory hallelujah the truth keeps marching on

    • Mark L

      America is NOT a democracy. It is a constitutional Republic. It is NOT a Multi-Cultural, Multi-ethnic, atheist country, it is a white Christian country (see pre-amble) legal or illegal the rest of you are aliens and should be thankful of our tolerance. Assimilate, and do not whine constantly. Bill Gates did not steal the GUI from Apple. Xerox invented the GUI (and networking), DEC stole it from Xerox, Apple stole it from DEC and BTW Apple stole more from Vista than MS stole from Apple. Obama’s first move was to end partial birth abortion (baby killer) his second act was to task foreign troops with NorthCom. Every other act has been to purposely destroy our country. He is a White Hating Racist (Negro, Muslim, skin head); he is a communist, a reprobate, a thief, a liar unequaled and can’t wait to call in NorthCom/UN troops. America and all its benefits have perished under the hand of this abomination with support of the emotional, 2nd grade name calling parrots of the MSM. Right Wing/Left Wing are attached to the same bird of prey. STOP WHITE GUILT. I don’t care what race this foul, destructive pseudo-president is, vote him and his power structure out, and then undo all “the Change”. Social Justice, wealth redistribution, welfare & mandatory health care are theft and slavery (slavery = stealing another man’s labor). The constitution is the law of the land. ….to preempt the anticipated response to this comment, (i.e. calling me a Racist), I would like to point out that Racism trumps Religion in this country. You blacks/Negros should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves. 90% of you claim to be Christian, but 95% of you voted for the reprobate, baby killing commi….just because of his race. In fact, I would venture to say he got the majority of his votes because of his race. Mindless hypocrites. I will be honest, I did not vote for him because of his race & religion. American toppled the South African government because we did not think it appropriate for whites to rule a Negro nation (even though it was never a Negro nation), so why in the hell to we have a Negro Muslim as head of state to a white Christian nation? Are we color blind now? Hardly, this is the most racially charged era we have ever been through. Stop the Guilt. Stop worshiping the other races. Look how badly they have screwed up their own countries. Look how hostile, third world-ish they turn their neighborhoods here into. You can’t walk through them at night (most not even in the day). They hate you whitey, quit kissing their hostile racist asses. Diversity/welfare is blight on this nation. Nothing and no one are equal, but all races have equal opportunity and equal protection under the law. Contribute, assimilate, behave or get the @#$% out. I am white and tired of supporting you all, and very tired of listen to all your bitching. Do you Raza and Panthers really think you can prevail against us? Do you really believe this is “the black man’s country”? Do you really believe this is “the Mexican’s Continent”? We have conquered and given back the world a few times (and we have always been the global minority). Be careful all you Obama cult, pop-politics, atheist, race worshiping, reprobate, baby killing, anti-Americans, you are only 6% of the population and an offence to the other 94%. When this country does finally break under your African leader, so will the tolerance for all you hostile, whiney, burdensome, fools. Look at the map, there is no place for us to start over or run. Nothing good comes from backing a people into a corner, (especially us). Word.

  • Shar

    Wow – Add the Weavers and Waco to this info that Everson suggested above and it makes B.O.’s Donald Young/Rev. Wright’s Choir Director and Larry Sullivan look like small potatoes.

    My money is on the Bushes DO NOT have a list – Cheney – well, there was that hunting incident.

    CLINTON BODY COUNT

    By: Ether Zone Staff

    Here is the latest body count that we have. All of these people have been connected with the Clintons in some form or another. We have not included any deaths that could not be verified or connected to the Clinton scandals. All deaths are listed chronologically by date. This list is current and accurate to the best of our knowledge as of January 13, 1999 August 1, 2000.

    Susan Coleman: Rumors were circulating in Arkansas of an affair with Bill Clinton. She was found dead with a gunshot wound to the head at 7 1/2 months pregnant. Death was an apparent suicide.

    Larry Guerrin: Was killed in February 1987 while investigating the INSLAW case.

    Kevin Ives & Don Henry: Initial cause of death was reported to be the result of falling asleep on a railroad track in Arkansas on August 23, 1987. This ruling was reported by the State medical examiner Fahmy Malak. Later it was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon a Mena drug operation.

    Keith Coney: Keith had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident in July 1988 with unconfirmed reports of a high speed car chase.

    Keith McKaskle: McKaskle has information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He was stabbed to death in November 1988.

    Gregory Collins: Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died from a gunshot wound to the face in January 1989.

    Jeff Rhodes: He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry & McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation, leading to the probably speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed.

    James Milam: Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes.

    Richard Winters: Winters was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry. He was killed in a “robbery” in July 1989 which was subsequently proven to be a setup.

    Jordan Kettleson: Kettleson had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990.

    Alan Standorf: An employee of the National Security Agency in electronic intelligence. Standorf was a source of information for Danny Casalaro who was investigating INSLAW, BCCI, etc. Standorf’s body was found in the backseat of a car at Washington National Airport on Jan 31, 1991.

    Dennis Eisman: An attorney with information on INSLAW. Eisman was found shot to death on April 5, 1991.

    Danny Casalaro: Danny was a free-lance reporter and writer who was investigating the “October Surprise”, INSLAW and BCCI. Danny was found dead in a bathtub in a Sheraton Hotel room in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Danny was staying at the hotel while keeping appointments in the DC area pertinent to his investigation. He was found with his wrists slashed. At least one, and possibly both of his wrists were cut 10 times. All of his research materials were missing and have never been recovered.

    Victor Raiser: The National Finance Co-Chair for “Clinton for President.” He died in a airplane crash on July 30, 1992.

    R. Montgomery Raiser: Also involved in the Clinton presidential campaign. He died in the same plane crash as Victor.

    Paul Tully: Tulley was on the Democratic National Committee. He was found dead of unknown causes in his hotel room on September 24, 1992. No autopsy was ever allowed.

    Ian Spiro: Spiro had supporting documentation for grand jury proceedings on the INSLAW case. His wife and 3 children were found murdered on November 1, 1992 in their home. They all died of gunshot wounds to the head. Ian’s body was found several days later in a parked car in the Borego Desert. Cause of death? The ingestion of cyanide. FBI report indicated that Ian had murdered his family and then committed suicide.

    Paula Gober: A Clinton speech writer. She died in a car accident on December 9, 1992 with no known witnesses.

    Jim Wilhite: Wilhite was an associate of Mack McClarty’s former firm. Wilhite died in a skiing accident on December 21, 1992. He also had extensive ties to Clinton with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his death.

    Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Todd McKeahan & Conway LeBleu: Died Feburary 28, 1993 by gunfire at Waco. All four were examined by a pathologist and died from identical wounds to the left temple. All four had been body guards for Bill Clinton, three while campaigning for President and when he was Governor of Arkansas.They also were the ONLY 4 BATF agents killed at Waco.

    Sgt. Brian Haney, Sgt. Tim Sabel, Maj. William Barkley, Capt. Scott Reynolds: Died: May 19, 1993 – All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. – Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, “Security was tight,” with “lots of Marines with guns.” A videotape made by a firefighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.

    John Crawford: An attorney with information on INSLAW. He died from a heart attack in Tacoma in April of 1993.

    John Wilson: Found dead from an apparent hanging suicide on May 18, 1993. He was a former Washington DC council member and claimed to have info on Whitewater.

    Paul Wilcher: A lawyer who was investigating drug running out of Mena, Arkansas and who also sought to expose the “October Surprise”, BCCI and INSLAW. He was found in his Washington DC apartment dead of unknown causes on June 22, 1993.

    Vincent Foster: A White House deputy counsel and long-time personal friend of Bill and Hillary’s. Found on July 20, 1993, dead of a gunshot wound to the mouth — a death ruled suicide. Many different theories on this case! Readers are encouraged to read our report in Strange Deaths.

    Jon Parnell Walker: An investigator for the RTC who was looking into the linkage between the Whitewater and Madison S&L bankruptcy. Walker “fell” from the top of the Lincoln Towers Building.

    Stanley Heard & Steven Dickson: They were members of the Clinton health care advisory committee. They died in a plane crash on September 10, 1993.

    Jerry Luther Parks: Parks was the Chief of Security for Clinton’s national campaign headquarters in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car on September 26, 1993 near the intersection of Chenal Parkway and Highway 10 west of Little Rock. Parks was shot through the rear window of his car. The assailant then pulled around to the driver’s side of Park’s car and shot him three more times with a 9mm pistol. His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton’s illicit activities. The dossier was stolen.

    Ed Willey: A Clinton fundraiser. He died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound on November 30, 1993. His death came the same day his wife, Kathleen, was sexually assaulted in the White House by Bill Clinton.

    Gandy Baugh: Baugh was Lasater’s attorney and committed suicide on January 8, 1994. Baugh’s partner committed suicide exactly one month later on February 8, 1994.

    Herschell Friday: A member of the presidential campaign finance committee. He died in an airplane explosion on March 1, 1994.

    Ronald Rogers: Rogers died on March 3, 1994 just prior to releasing sensitive information to a London newspaper. Cause of death? Undetermined.

    Kathy Furguson: A 38 year old hospital worker whose ex-husband is a co- defendant in the Paula Jones sexual harassment law suit. She had information supporting Paula Jone’s allegations. She died of an apparent suicide on May 11, 1994 from a gunshot wound to the head.

    Bill Shelton: Shelton was an Arkansas police officer and was found dead as an apparent suicide on kathy Ferguson’s grave (Kathy was his girl friend), on June 12, 1994. This “suicide” was the result of a gunshot wound to the back of the head.

    Stanley Huggins: Huggins, 46, was a principal in a Memphis law firm which headed a 1987 investigation into the loan practices of Madison Guaranty S&L. Stanley died in Delaware in July 1994 — reported cause of death was viral pneumonia.

    Paul Olson: A Federal witness in investigations to drug money corruption in Chicago politics, Paul had just finished 2 days of FBI interviews when his plane ride home crashed, killing Paul and 130 others on Sept 8 1994. The Sept. 15, 1994 Tempe Tribune newspaper reported that the FBI suspected that a bomb had brought down the airplane.

    Calvin Walraven: 24 year on Walraven was a key witness against Jocelyn Elder’s son’s drug case. Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a gunshot wound to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman says no foul play is suspected.

    Alan G. Whicher: Oversaw Clinton’s Secret Service detail. In October 1994 Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whatever warning was given to the BATF agents in that building did not reach Alan Whicher, who died in the bomb blast of April 19th 1995.

    Duane Garrett: Died July 26, 1995-A lawyer and a talk show host for KGO-AM in San Fransisco, Duane was the campaign finance chairman for Diane Fienstien’s run for the senate, and was a friend and fundraiser for Al Gore. Garrett was under investigation for defrauding investors in Garrett’s failed sports memorabilia venture. There was talk of a deal to evade prosecution. On July 26th, Garrett canceled an afternoon meeting with his lawyer because he had to meet some people at the San Fransisco airport. Three hours later he was found floating in the bay under the Golden Gate Bridge.

    Ron Brown:. The Commerce Secretary died on April 3, 1996, in an Air Force jet carrying Brown and 34 others, including 14 business executives on a trade mission to Croatia, crashed into a mountainside. The Air Force, in a 22-volume report issued in June of 1996, confirmed its initial judgment that the crash resulted from pilot errors and faulty navigation equipment At the time of Brown’s death, Independent Counsel Daniel Pearson was seeking to determine whether Brown had engaged in several sham financial transactions with longtime business partner Nolanda Hill shortly before he became secretary of commerce.

    Charles Meissner: died: UNK – Following Ron Brown’s death, John Huang was placed on a Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security clearance
    by Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter, Meissner died in the crash of a small plane. He was an Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy.

    William Colby: Retired CIA director was found dead on May 6,1996 after his wife reported him missing on April 27,1996. Apparently, Colby decided to go on a impromptu canoeing excursion and never returned. Colby who had just started writing for Strategic Investment newsletter, worried many in the intelligent community. Colby’s past history of divulging CIA secrets in the past were well known. Strategic Investor had covered the Vince Foster suicide and had hired handwriting experts to review Foster’s suicide note.

    Admiral Jeremy Boorda: Died on May 16,1996 after he went home for lunch and decided to shoot himself in the chest (by one report, twice) rather than be interviewed by Newsweek magazine that afternoon. Explanations for Boorda’s suicide focused on a claim that he was embarrassed over two “Valor” pins he was not authorized to wear.

    Lance Herndon: Herndon a 41 year old computer specialist and a prominent entrepreneur who received a presidential appointment in 1995 died August 10, 1996 under suspicious circumstances. He appeared to have died from a blow to the head. Police said no weapons were found at his mansion, adding that Mr. Herndon had not been shot or stabbed and there was no evidence of forced entry or theft.

    Neil Moody: Died -August 25, 1996 Following Vincent Foster’s murder, Lisa Foster married James Moody, a judge in Arkansas, on Jan 1, 1996. Near the time Susan McDougal first went to jail for contempt, Judge Moor’s son, Neil died in a car crash. There were other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something very unsettling among his stepmother’s private papers and was threatening to go public with it just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. He was alleged to have been talking to Bob Woodward of the Washington Post about a blockbuster story. Witnesses said they saw Neil Moody sitting in his car arguing with another person just prior to His car suddenly speeding off out of control and hitting a brick wall.

    Barbara Wise: Wise a 14-year Commerce Department employee found dead and partially naked in her office following a long weekend. She worked in the same section as John Huang. Officially, she is said to have died of natural causes.

    Doug Adams: Died January 7, 1997- A lawyer in Arkansas who got involved trying to help the people who were being swindled out of their life savings. Adams was found in his vehicle with a gunshot wound to his head in a Springfield Mo. hospital parking lot.

    Mary C. Mahoney: 25, murdered at the Georgetown Starbuck’s coffee bar over the 4th of July ’97 weekend. She was a former White House intern who worked with John Huang. Apparently she knew Monica Lewinsky and her sexual encounters with Bill Clinton. Although not verified, it has been said that Lewinsky told Linda Tripp that she did not want to end up like Mahoney.

    Ronald Miller: Suddenly took ill on October 3rd,1997 and steadily worsened until his death 9 days later. (This pattern fits Ricin poisoning.) Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office. The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller’s blood, but has refused to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed.

    Had been investigated by authorities over the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was the man who tape recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance violations, using “straw donors” to conceal the size of their contributions to various candidates. Indeed, Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. had hired Ron Brown’s son Michael solely for the purpose of funneling $60,000 through him to the Commerce Secretary, according to Nolanda Hill’s testimony.

    Sandy Hume: On Sunday, February 22nd, 1998, Sandy Hume, the 28 year old son of journalist Britt Hume, was reportedly found dead in his Arlington, Virginia home. Aside from the statement that this was an “apparent” suicide, there remains in place a total media blackout on this story, possibly out of concern that the actual facts will not withstand public scrutiny. Worked for Hill magazine, about Congress for Congress.

    Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally, sent to prison for eighteen felony convictions. A key whitewater witness, dies of a heart attack on March, 8 1998. As of this writing allegations that he was given an injection of the diuretic lasix has not been denied or confirmed.
    Died on March 8, 1998

    Johnny Lawhon: 29, died March 29, 1998- The Arkansas transmission specialist who discovered a pile of Whitewater documents in the trunk of an abandoned car on his property and turned them over to Starr, was killed in a car wreck two weeks after the McDougal death.. Details of the “accident” have been sketchy — even from the local Little Rock newspaper.

    Charles Wilbourne Miller: 63, was found dead of a gunshot wound to the head on November 17, 1998 in a shallow pit about 300 yards from his ranch house near Little Rock. Police found a .410 gauge shotgun near Miller’s body and a Ruger .357-caliber revolver submerged in water. Investigators concluded the Ruger was the weapon used by Miller to kill himself. Yet, two rounds in the handgun’s cylinder had been spent.

    He had long served as executive vice president and member of the board of directors for a company called Alltel and was deeply involved in his own software engineering company until the day he died. Alltel is the successor to Jackson Stephens’ Systematics, the company that provided the software for the White House’s “Big Brother” data base system and that was behind the administration’s plan to develop the secret computer “Clipper” chip to bug every phone, fax and email transmission in America.

    Carlos Ghigliotti: 42, was found dead in his home just outside of Washington D.C. on April 28, 2000. There was no sign of a break-in or struggle at the firm of Infrared Technology where the badly decomposed body of Ghigliotti was found. Ghigliotti had not been seen for several weeks.

    Ghigliotti, a thermal imaging analyst hired by the House Government Reform Committee to review tape of the siege, said he determined the FBI fired shots on April 19, 1993. The FBI has explained the light bursts on infrared footage as reflections of sun rays on shards of glass or other debris that littered the scene.

    “I conclude this based on the groundview videotapes taken from several different angles simultaneously and based on the overhead thermal tape,” Ghigliotti told The Washington Post last October. “The gunfire from the ground is there, without a doubt.”

    Ghigliotti said the tapes also confirm the Davidians fired repeatedly at FBI agents during the assault, which ended when flames raced through the compound. About 80 Branch Davidians perished that day, some from the fire, others from gunshot wounds.

    Mark Corallo, a spokesman for the congressional committee chaired by Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., said that police found the business cards of a committee investigator in Ghigliotti’s office. Corallo said Ghigliotti’s work for the committee ended some time ago.

    Tony Moser: 41, was killed as he crossed a street in Pine Bluff, Ark on on June 10, 2000. Killed 10 days after being named a columnist for the Democrat-Gazette newspaper and two days after penning a stinging indictment of political corruption in Little Rock.

    Police have concluded that no charges will be filed against the unnamed driver of a 1995 Chevrolet pickup, which hit Moser as he was walking alone in the middle of unlit Rhinehart Road about 10:10 p.m

    Police say they have ruled out foul play and will file no charges against the driver because he was not intoxicated and there was no sign of excessive speed.

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  • Sumerian Man

    Foriegn troops, detention camps, new technology microwave crowd control, APC’s, generators, mobile command centers, all painted deep forest camofluage, so unless we’re going to battle somewhere in Europe or Canada this stuff is meant for use here in our own country. I live near the I-94 corridor and see this going down the road EVERYDAY, inbound, not to any port or railway. (Fact)- There is a foreign troop encampment and detention center located near Kingsbury, Indiana. These facts and other stories circulating the web about the same issues, although I have not personally witnessed those claims, can only lead to one certian conclusion – our government is getting ready to forcefully supress any organized demonstrations or uprisings. That is to say they are hellbent on silencing free speech and protecting the status quo. Why the foriegn troops? Well, they’re also called mercenaries. Whereas a U.S. soldier might have qualms or think twice about firing on a U.S. citizen, a forign troop or mercenary would not. We all really need to think real hard about the Tea Party Movement and what I think they are trying to do, and that is protect our Constitution, it is being shredded as we bicker and debate over lesser issues, this is why we see these shills spouting lies and missinformation on this and other blogs. Pay close attention to your surroundings and ignore these liberal idiots and shills. America needs help and we are all it has. Bless us all!

  • http://www.sensiblechange.org Ken

    How about that Kimmie? Another manifestation of leftwing illogic and scattershot generalization that shamelessly parades itself for all to witness:

    Consider her statement: “Another 18 percent of Americans identify themselves as Tea Party supporters. That’s really not very many.” By my calculation, that’s 54 million people. Other polls have shown support for the Tea Party higher than that of both major political parties. Without question, this is a major force, and it is growing with each subsequent Obama attack on our freedom.

    Or consider this Kimmie rant: “Because most Americans are not as angry, hatefully, and paranoid as the Tea Baggers.”

    Other than an inability to construct a grammatical sentence, this one is grossly inaccurate as well as obscene. Tea Partiers may be angry that their country is being dismantled, but hate and paranoia have nothing to do with it. Only a very real love for country and a genuine concern that we are pursuing economic policies that are doomed to fail and bankrupt our nation in the process. Moreover, many more people than the 54 million share the sentiments voiced by Tea Partiers.

    Or consider this mindless Kimmie generalization: “Your crowd is also over 45. Which means they are most likely from the “ME” generation. Those of us younger will get things straightened out the right way after a while.”

    This one doesn’t even pass the smell test. Such aged-based generalizations are unworthy of comment. In fact, mature Americans are more likely to have the time to devote to defending our nation’s heritage and protecting the legacy we want to leave to our children and grandchildren. We recognize that successive generations have failed to get our fiscal house in order and that politicians, particularly those on the left, but also some on the right, have a proclivity for using tax dollars to buy votes. Statistically speaking, it was the younger generation that bought into the Obama lies and mystique, lacking the knowledge and historical perspective to see beyond his rhetoric. Yet, they have the most to lose in a world of constricted opportunities, slower economic growth, big government, higher taxes, and massive debt. In 2004, the Congressional Budget Office projected that income tax rates would to double by 2050 and increase by 150% by 2080 just to pay for existing entitlement spending. This was, obviously, before enactment of health insurance “reform.”
    That means that a middle class person in the 25% bracket ($33,000 to $82,000) will be paying a marginal tax rate of 50% by 2050 and 62.5% by 20280. That is your future Kammie, that is, if you get your diaper fastened and actually get a job. It is the ignorance of people like you, regardless of age, that threatens the future of our country and the future of the people in it. Most Tea Partiers are motivated by a desire to hand over to their children a better, more prosperous, and freer America, rather than an unsustainable socialist welfare state.

    “No Government Healthcare! Keep your hands off my Medicare!” Gota love that thinking. LOL”

    I have never seen any placards that juxtapose those two sentiments. That is merely the invention of Kimmie’s silly logic. Most Tea Partiers recognize that that our current entitlements are already unsustainable and that adding new ones, a la health insurance “reform,” will only compound the problem, particularly since it will increase health insurance costs, not lower them. And while there are problems with Medicare, its recipients paid into that system their entire working lives, unlike those who will be receiving government-funded health insurance as a welfare entitlement. So, the laugh’s on you Kimmie for not comprehending those basic facts.

    However, there is a cure for you Kimmie if you start on a program of self-education. . You can start by reading Mark Levine’s “Liberty and Tyranny,” followed by Milton Freidman’s “Free to Choose,” Frederick Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom.” and “Basic Economics” by Thomas Sowell. Then, I would suggest Lyle H. Rossiter’s, M.D.’s “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness” for diagnosing your malady.

  • Hopalong Cassidy

    I have read quite a few of the preceding posts and find a clear and common tread in the character of the various blogs from both the right wing and the left.

    What I have read from opinions of those on the right is an attempt to express a common understanding that the founders of this nation had; mainly that we were given a gift from God of a right to certain freedoms that we have since learned to understand can, if used properly, lead to a society in which there can be plenty for all.

    But, while God may have given these rights and freedoms to us, He by no means guaranteed them to us. If we understand their value, we have, and will find ourselves in and unending battle to defend and preserve them, not only for ourselves, but for our children and their children.

    Because the Tea Party was born out of the love of our rights and freedoms and the desire to protect them rather than a hatred of those who have the aim of diluting or abolishing them, our approach has been one that has been lawful and respectful of the government that we have duly elected and a knowledge that, as prescribed by law, we will kick their sorry butts out in November.

  • angel-wanna-be

    The Liberals are losing ground and scared as hell of November_ STILL, No facts, just insults!

    • Lisa Jones

      If you want to be truely effective you must remove each and everyone of the 435 congress people in Nov. They are all up for election this year. But will you vote out your incumbant Republican representive for the good of the country?

      • Scott7411

        Good and pertinent stuff, per usual, Bob. I know you couldn’t fit in all you and so many others of us know, that Murrah was a trial run for 9-11′s controlled demolition. The vast majority of the American public bought it. Now many are not so sure. Good for them.

        People, not to cause a run on the market, but lentils and rice need no soaking, and cook together in half an hour at sea level, 40 minutes or so at an altitude of five or six thousand feet. One legume to two grains gives complete humanly assimilable protein, and sprouted lentils provide enough vitamin C to prevent scurvy. One third of a 25 pound bag of organic lentils, and two thirds short-grain organic brown rice, will keep an adult quite healthy for a month, sprout some of the lentil seeds in the dark for three or four days, expose them to sunlight for a couple hours, you get to keep most of your teeth.

        One organic 25 lb. bag of dried lentils and two of rice = survival for about three months.

        Mined sea salt (full of essential minerals) is a good investment. Your surviving neighbors will appreciate your foresight and will trade with you. Organic chia seed makes sense, too. High in protein and omega 3s, easy as lentils to grow in your survival garden. I kid you not, who’d make this stuff up?

        All the above quite storable, dry. Keep your powder dry, too. You might be needing that.

        Why do I keep writing about lentils, rice, salt, and ammo? Because when it all goes down, I’d like to still be meeting people who can read, plant, think, and shoot straight.

        S:B^)

  • Michael Jones

    For an ex-president as Clinton, he sure doesn’t have any room to talk about anyone else. He sure threw the dignity and respect of the Presidency into the toilet when he and Monica Lewinsky were getting their jollies in the White House and I really resent that. As a tax-payer, I own part of that White House. And if I were married, I’d sure never be cheating on my wife. If I had no more respect for my wife than that then I deserve all the crap that was thrown my way. And for this stupid jerk to be be-little anyone else is totally unacceptable.
    My message for you Slick Willy Bill Clinton, shut the hell up and mind your own business!!!

  • Singing Sam

    Liberty is the opposite of tyranny. Liberty is the ability to live without being coerced or forced to do something you do not want to do. Liberty is the respect for individual rights and the understanding that all forms of aggression are wrong. So long as a free individual does not commit any form of aggression (including fraud) on another person, he or she ought to be free to live his or her life as they please. Liberty also is married to the concept of personal responsibility. Rather than being forced to do things, those who truly understand the concept of liberty understand that free people MUST serve themselves, their families and their communities by working diligently to do right, act proper, go in peace and seek rational solutions to life’s problems. This philosophy is solid as oak and is the core of whatever greatness America ever achieved. Only those who righteously oppose all forms of aggression are able to truly be called PEACEMAKERS. By any ethical tradition, the peacemakers are blessed.

    • Right Wing

      Seems like your tune has changed Sam? Above you slammed “Tea Baggers” as idiots and now you preach liberty and peacemaking…what gives? Did you forget the liberal mantra that everything is Bush’s fault and Tea Baggers are terrorists or did I just misunderstand where you stood?

  • Dr. Mabuse

    Can anyone here say FALSE FLAG, (Clinton and McVeigh inclusive).

  • julia s

    Clinton is a liar, and a coward. Remember he got the NAFTA bill passed. Just exactly what we did not need! That started the path of Americans job losses. Has he forgotten Monica Lewinsky? Sure,lets listen to old Bill. Lie,Lie,Lie!
    When he got caught, with his pants down, he lied some more. He’s a great example, of what, or how people should act, or speak. The only reason Hillary stayed with him, was that they were both in the Obama regime. I guess she wants to rule the world also. They both want one World Government. So, “You shut up, Bill. You have no credibility. You stuck it where it shouldn’t go. You are laughable. Your Mother would really be proud of what you have become. A coward through and through. Your own Mother would probably be leading the Tea Parties. Would you tell her to shut up? You are now a huge disappointment to her, and the American People that voted and trusted you. You dear Bill, are amoral. WE will continue to voice our opinions, as a God Given Right. Wonder if your Grandparents, Grandma and Grandpa Cassidy, would be proud too?”

    • Mike N.

      the socialist liberals want you to go to work and pay taxes to support them and their lazy friends. the tea party is a group of voters and I might add, taxpayers who are fed up with all the leeches, be they democrat or republican, who seek to take away our freedom and hard earned wealth. I encourage voters to elect fresh faces this spring and fall. If they don’t keep thier word they will be easier to get rid of come the next election. Clinton, Obama the foriener, Reid, Pelosie, Graham, McConnell, and all the other incumbents,save Ron Paul, are leeches sucking the life blood from the value creators. If you really want change you have to be willing to make the change yourselves.

      • Mike N.

        If all the deadbeats got a job and supported thier families it would’nt take very long for them to start griping about the 1/3 of thier earnings being taken to support the leeches.

        • denniso

          You spout but only cliches and talking points come out…do you know how much of your taxes go to the total military budget? How much to roads and other infrastructure? Are people on social security and medicare leeches? Are astronauts leeches? How about the tax money that pays police and firefighters…are they also leeches?

          You comment is mindless and you are clueless…

          • JeffH

            …take a long look in the mirror!

          • Kimmie

            The reason they are so concerned about their guns being taken away is because if they succeed in doing away with all the social programs they will then NEED their guns to protect themselves because people will be desparate for food. They think crime is bad now. Just wait til they take food away. Look at what New Orlenes was like after just a few days.

          • JeffH

            …one more time, just for Kimmie

            HELLO, if your comment represents your true beliefs then I suggest you go back to the history books and re-educate yourself.

            I’ll help you get started with the Definition for tyranny;
            - cruel use of power: cruelty and injustice in the exercise of power or authority over others
            - oppressive government: oppressive government by one or more people who exercise absolute power cruelly and unjustly

          • Kimmie

            JeffH,

            OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I get it, Like GW Bush and the Republican Congress he had for six years. But it didn’t seem to matter as much then did it?

          • JeffH

            Kimmie gimmie, yes it did matter, but you, of course were nowhere to be seen, were you? I’m sure most weren’t on this blog back then, including you and I! So, with that said, your response really has no bearing on anything, does it!

          • libertytrain

            Jeff – I guarantee you that Kimmie is one of those multiple-personality plants – you know the kind – we’ve experienced a rash of them as of late haven’t we?

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, only the names change, but the sounds remain the same.
            Notice that a lot of these “new name” are childrens names, what a parent might have called them as kids…Kimmie/Kim…mikey/Michael.

            The Tea Party people I have met and seen on the news, interviews, and listened to on radio are just normal red blooded Americans like most of us are. Mom and dads, brothers and sisters, neighbors, cousins, friends, grandparents, old and young and non-violent.

            The demonizing of the Tea Party movement has already been exposed, but that doesn’t mean the leftist, pro-socialist government sympathizers will cease.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, I’ll add that if we keep the pressure on the liberals, continue to expose them for what they represent, expose the lies and deception and deciet, they usually crawl back into thier cubilcle, regroup and comeback another day.
            Beats the heck out of the long, drawnout meaningless arguements of “yes you are, no I’m not”.

          • Kimmie

            libertytrain
            Oh no! A multiple personality PLANT. Your safe little world of the web has been broken into! I’m a PLANT. I’m secretly working for Obama to find out just what the right is saying about him. We;ve come for you money, guns and wives. LOL

            No one is paranoid here. LOL

          • libertytrain

            Kimmie I just can’t understand how you have so much time to do all these posts under multiple names and still work 40 hours a week 5-6 days a week – if you are doing this at work, you sure are a fine example of the new-style employee.

          • laura

            L.T.-kimmie is a fine example of a “DO NOTHING, GET PAYED” lib.
            OH kimmie that comment about using up all the S.S. The people “using it up” worked and payed into it for 60+ years “you DIP.”

            GO TO BED, OH I MEAN TO WORK!

            GOD BLESS AMERICA

          • Right Wing

            Kimmie is a provocateur. No reason to post here except as a shill, plant, antagonist, whatever. Just a lost soul looking to stick it to the man.

          • Airangel

            Denniso and Kimmie…would you like to live in a world like the Middle East or even Europe now that is being taken over by Islam extremist?…always worrying about a bomb on a bus, in school, in a mall or while at work? …Thanks to our military fighting for our freedom and safety, we have enjoyed a much better quality of life and can type anything, say anything, go virtually anywhere without really feeling true harm or worrying if this is going to be the day I meet my doom…unfortunately more terrorism and gangs are trickling into the USA because we don’t have secure borders. I am happy to pay taxes for firemen, police officers, OUR military defense and infrastructure (which creates jobs btw)…I am not happy to pay for those able to work and make a living but are too lazy to do so! It’s not about going hungry, plant a garden…it’s about having honor and being responsible and a good citizen to pay it forward, not indefinitely take what you can get….also criminals will get guns on the black market or from the vast arsenal owned by the drug cartel…there will always be violent gangs and druggies with guns because they are law breakers…I just pray they don’t come upon you guys one day and you have no way of defending yourself…it’d be a shame to lose such good upstanding citizens

          • Kimmie

            You know what scares me? Putting an Obama sticker on my car. You know why? Because of groups like the tea baggers. Some, not all, are unstable and the days of a true debate are gone because people have become so closed minded they won’t even listen. At it’s the worst in Congress. The Republicans are so angry about Obama winning that they refuse to even debate. I say throw the bums out!

          • JeffH

            Airangel, while I admire your dedication, we both know your words do fall on deaf ears. You do deserve credit for trying and not giving up though. Well said.

          • JeffH

            Kimmie, the only thing to fear is fear itself.

          • Kimmie

            JeffH,

            So you are open minded? LOL. You won’t even admit that we have to change the entire congress.

          • JeffH

            Gee Kimmie says to JeffH: ” You won’t even admit that we have to change the entire congress.” That came out of left field?????, and has nothing to do with anything be discussed.

            Is there a political confessional around that I missed?

            Whew! Someones screws are really loose today!

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Kimmie (and Nick, Singing Sam, Sally S., Troy and all your incarnations),
            After reading the tripe you have posted for the past several weeks–under all your different names–I find it ironic you would make a comment about someone’s closed mindedness and the fact that the days of debate are gone.
            All the best,
            Bob

          • JeffH

            Bob Livingston, Thanks. Your words carry so much more weight here.

          • Sidewinder

            Kimmie, when you say “Tea Baggers” I assume you are refering to your homosexual friends?

            I read your post and you seem to indicate that the Tea Party somehow attracts crazy people. Could you explain to me how that works?

            I always thought nutcases could be found in every political party. But your response is just so brilliant, that I would love to hear it explained.

          • rjg

            Hey Bob

            I’ve read this whole long post and I don’t think Kimmy(and aliases) is the only one guilty of name calling and posting ‘tripe’.

            Take Care

    • GUS
  • eddie47d

    Jeff H.; Re:Focus on attack. You focus on Obama and Clinton and then attack. You have learned well from Alinsky. You have alot of do as I say not as I do moments. Get’s confusing don’t it. In another comment you made about wire tapping I think it was the Republicans who were proficient about that. Your such a sneaky devil.

    • JeffH

      One must understand the enemy to thwart the attacks…you seem to have quite a problem with my delivery, as I on your focused attacks. Spit it out and tell it like it is…let everyone know where you stand! From what I’ve seen, you tend to be a fence straddler, but that’s OK. Some people lead, some follow and some wait for a clear cut winner before they declare. Those are the ones I tend to distrust the least.

    • JeffH

      eddie47d, unless you were mistaken, might you refresh my memory on the wiretap comment? Your usually so good at posting the time of the comment, so have at it, please.

  • Mick

    As a retired soldier who had a prolonged discussion several years ago with Tim McVeigh’s Desert storm commander I will quote his portrayal of his previous soldier. “He was a good soldier who although he did everything asked of him displayed a quiet intolerance of non-white soldiers.” With this in mind I find it quite unlikely Tim got together with an Islamic Terrorist to attack a US government facility. McVeigh has talked openly and his conversation both audio and transcripts are easy to access. He shows no sign of being anything other than a right wing, anti-government militant. I suggest those of you reading follow an objective trail of evidence rather than this conspiracy theory presented. Go do some homework.

  • http://LibertyDigest FatBob

    BILL CLINTON IS A TRAITOR period!!
    HE GAVE AWAY MILITARY SECRETS TO CHINA.

    HE SHOULD BE IN PRISON..INSTEAD, OF JOHNATHON POLARD.
    HE ALLOWED RADICAL ISLAM TO CELBRATE RA-MADAN ON THE
    WITH HOUSE LAWN! HE and HER..TOOK THE FURNITURE OUT
    OF THE WHITE HOUSE WHEN THEY MOVED OUT!

    HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU WANT TO HEAR?? HE’S A BUM, A FRAUD, A LIAR
    A FORNICATOR,A GRADUATE FROM RUSSIAN UNIVERSITY…ETC..ETC..

    MAKES ME SICK!!!

    • johnny bo

      Right on FatBob. Great

  • Carol

    The people that think we are right wing nuts are the ones that watch the news on the PMS network. They hear nothing but the liberal lies. What else could any of us expect them to believe. Their minds are closed tight, there is no room for anything else.
    Only a few thousand of us…you wish!!! I live in a very small town, yet we have several thousand Tea Party members attending events here.
    We are not Republicans, or Democrats, or any other silly name you might dream up..We are AMERICANS…no less than our forefathers.

    • Mick

      And we are Americans also and yelling does not make you more American than I am.

      • Right Wing

        Mick you seem to have a real issue with PEOPLE TYPING IN CAPS! Take your lithium, try focusing on the message, and STFU.

        • Mick

          Right wing CAPS is just yelling and between your yelling and your profane acronyms you just verify what an idiot you really are. Before you call me a liberal I will inform you I am not. I am an independent that has the ability read, think and respond. Your response to my input merely served to define your limited cognitive ability. I will not shut up. I am an American with the right to verbalize my opinion. I served for 20 years in the US Army and the last time I was unemployed was 1977.

          • Right Wing

            Good for you Mick. Now show that us that the Military taught you some respect for your superiors. Your posts are combative and shameful. Calling people idiots for typing in CAPS? Consider that this is a conversation wide open to much interpretation and the possibility is that some people just do not know what the caps lock button is. Not everyone spent their time as a typist in the military and we occasionally mis-spell words. So ease up on the pointless criticism and bullying or drop and give me 200.

  • http://NA Terry Hoffman

    Ordering the murder of the innocents at Waco sure seems closer to the spirit of McVeigh then any tea party patron.

  • Stephen Russell

    dem Dems are the Real foes, lecturing US about Tea Parties & they expect to Win in Nov? Such arragonance, such a mindset- does anyone recall the French Revolution? & They expect to Win?
    I dont buy this line of BS.
    NO one should ( right thinking person).
    Vote them out in Nov.
    Hell with Bill.
    & Cronies & the Obama Regime.

  • Raggs

    Well…it’s like this…
    Clinton.. and I mean both of them, know they must fabricate a crisis or at least use any means avialable..ie immigration.. for thier “just” power grab..
    obama the fool is no different…
    I have no idea what anyone would see in obama the dictator.

    Come on people you are selling yourself out to a man that wants to control you.

  • denniso

    David Coresh at Waco was marrying(molesting) young girls…in other words,breaking the law. He was given months to come out and subject himself to the courts, but the coward hid in the compound w/ women and children and forced the confrontation w/ the gov’t. He could have sent all the followers out and fought the gov’t alone or committed suicide, but no, he decided to be martyred and take his flock w/ him.
    The gov’t maybe could have done some things differently, but how can they walk away from a man who was apparently molesting girls? The rule of law dictates that the State has the power to arrest and charge
    people suspected of crimes…the stupid folowers were guilty of neglect in allowing their kids to be ‘married’ to Coresh underage by years. They were also neglectful in allowing their kids to stay there
    when the confrontation escalated. The whole thing was a tragedy and the gov’t was probably too heavy handed but it was Coresh who provoked the standoff.

    • Jana

      Wow, are you really denniso? I actually agree with you on this.

      • denniso

        jana…good, there is hope for humankind if we can agree on something.
        There is probably more that we could agree on as well.

        • Jana

          denniso, I hope so. I realize there are a lot of antagonists and infil traitors in this group, but I don’t consider you one, you are our resident leftist, and you are putting out your true feelings.

          • denniso

            Jana…I don’t know what a ‘leftist’ is, though I imagine people use it to imply communist. I am a registered independent and vote for Democrats because they more closely match my views, though not entirely. I am a liberal, which only means trying to be open minded,tolerant, compassionate and believing that the hope for us lies in good education…also that the gov’t has to play a role in society or we are at the mercy of huge corporate power…we don’t believe gov’t should be any larger than need be to provide a balance against corporate power and to provide for defense,roads,police protection,environmental well being,essential regulations and help for the truly needy.
            No liberal wants to pay any more taxes than is necessary, but we do believe that the cost of the maintenance of society and gov’t itself should be spread fairly, w/ a progressive tax system that means Bill Gates pays much more than the street vendor in NY city who spotted the smoking car in Times square that was meant to be a car bomb.

            We’re not communists or socialists…I’m a businessman who just wants our country and it’s gov’t to allow everyone who can to ‘make it’, and it often takes gov’t power to fix things, like the whole civil rights fight of the 50′s and 60′s…w/o the fed gov’t stepping in and forcing the issue w/ laws, we would still be stuck in the Jim Crow era. Same thing for women’s right to vote…it took gov’t action and law to force it through…the private sector doesn’t care about those things because there’s not money to be made.

    • JeffH

      JeffH says:
      May 3, 2010 at 5:41 pm
      FBI Reverses Its Stand on Waco

      By Richard Leiby
      Washington Post Staff Writer
      Thursday, August 26, 1999; Page A1

      The FBI yesterday reversed a six-year-old position that it never used munitions capable of sparking the blaze that ended a standoff with the Branch Davidian sect near Waco, Tex., and left 76 people dead.
      The acknowledgment that FBI agents fired “a very limited number” of potentially incendiary tear gas cartridges on the final day of the 51-day siege contradicts congressional testimony from high-ranking Justice Department officials, such as Attorney General Janet Reno, who said that the tear gas used against the Davidians “could not have caused a fire.”

      “The conspiracy of silence is beginning to crumble,” Caddell said. “The government lied about this. What else have they lied about?”
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..ians26.htm

    • Right Wing

      For once I agree with something you said denniso! Sounds like a pretty fair assessment with both sides having some responsibility for their part in a tragedy. Only the people that were there have the story and if you ask each one the number of different stories would also add up. Conspiracy theory is just a distraction if your focus is really on reforming the country. The people in the spotlight of conspiracies will go away and We The People will just need to remain diligent and make sure any hints of wrongdoing are dealt with swiftly and with effective justice.

  • Kimmiw

    What a bunch of crazy people are assembled here.

    • Right Wing

      Well there is always room for more like you but don’t expect to affect any real change with your liberal views. We The People have heard enough of your crazy BS. Go back to your rock.

      • Kimmie

        Why so angry? Once we do away with all the guns, get healthcare for everyone, and pay for college for poor folks our nation will again be the best place in the world to live.

        • JeffH

          Kimmie gimmie, I like your use of “we”…we should be the majority, not a small minority of the anti-Americans that believe government should provide “freebies” for everybody at the taxpayers expense.
          HELLO, if your comment represents your true beliefs then I suggest you go back to the history books and re-educate yourself.

          I’ll help you get started with the Definition for tyranny;
          - cruel use of power: cruelty and injustice in the exercise of power or authority over others
          - oppressive government: oppressive government by one or more people who exercise absolute power cruelly and unjustly

          • Kimmie

            We. That is we Americans that are in the majority. See a basic illness of tea baggers is that they believe most America thinks they way they do and they are the majority. Last I check, and I know I just have a poor city public school education, but 18% is not a majority. But All might Jeff, I know you know all about politics because it appears you have nothing to do all day long but surf the web and feel empowered by posting here.

          • laura

            kimmie-you may live in AMERICA you may enjoy the (now) limited freedom of AMERICA but your public ” dumbing down” education has made you anything but AMERICAN. The only illness us RIGHTIES have is our marxist, communist, socialist government and lefties like you who choose to get their education from lefty news.Do you people ever think for yourselves!!!!!!
            And if you work 5 or 6 days a week how in the world do you find time to visit us???

            GOD BLESS AMERICA

          • JeffH

            The last time I checked, the only ones having a problem with the Tea Party were those expousing the lies about them, ex-presidents, current presidents, the MSM and of cours, those that know nothig about the Tea Party movement.
            -On major issues, 48% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is closer to their views than President Barack Obama.
            - Among voters not affiliated with either major political party, 50% say they’re closer to the Tea Party while 38% side with the President.
            -Sixty-three percent (63%) of Mainstream Americans say their views are closer to the Tea Party.
            -Last week, Rasmussen Reports released data showing that 47% of voters felt closer to the views of Tea Party members than to Congress. Only 26% felt closer to Congress.
            -In a head-to-head comparison, 45% felt closer to the average Tea Party Member while 35% felt closer to the average union member.
            -Your 18% figure is just the percentage of voters nationwide consider themselves PART of the Tea Party Movement. Views of the Tea Party remain more positive than negative among voters.

            It’s all here for you to see, if you really care about the truth that is.

            http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2010/tea_party_48_obama_44

          • JeffH

            Kimmie, I’m more concerned about presenting the facts as they really are, something most liberals can’t do. I’ve got plenty of time on my hands to “surf” the web, and that obviously irritates you. I won’t apologize though, someone has to do the dirty work, Youknow, work in the trenches.

          • Kimmie

            That’s ok Jeff. I’ll go out and work 6 days a week to pay for your disability and food stamps. You stay right there at your computer and keep posting. That way WE KNOW where you are! LOL

          • Kimmie

            laura,

            I work nights and weekends. You know work. Not handed money from mommy and daddy and government. Didn’t get to go to school and party on daddies dime like a lot of over educated people. I have what I need to get by.

          • JeffH

            Kimmie says:
            May 4, 2010 at 12:01 pm
            That’s ok Jeff. I’ll go out and work 6 days a week to pay for your disability and food stamps. You stay right there at your computer and keep posting. That way WE KNOW where you are! LOL

            for someone that works 6 days a week to pay for my disibility and food stamps, you seem to have an inordinate amount of time to spend on this website.

            You, Kimmie, are a prime example of the types of people the propagandists love and cater to. Most commonly known as members of a flock, sheeple.

          • laura

            IF you work nights and weekends shouldn’t you be sleeping? DO I KNOW WORK, ya I have to work twice as hard to take care of those who want what I work for.The only thing I WAS EVER HANDED was my paycheck at the end of every week unlike the handouts the libs always want .Sorry my mom and dad also worked hard (not very many dimes)to take care of other money sucking libs!
            And if you didn’t go to any parties,well that’s a shame, didn’t miss much, except Resinhead hugging the toilet.
            Most of us get our education from many sources, not communist, lefty, marxist professors from socialist universities.We learn what you people think by your own double standards and lying lips.
            You say you have what you need; I say you have a long way to go!

            GOD BLESS AMERICA

    • Claire

      Does your comment include you?

      • Claire

        This was for Kimmie.

  • http://PersonalLiberty Global Mamma

    Sam Dean, you are exactly right and I wish many more people in this nation would wake up and hear the birds sing.
    First, don’t leave the important responsibility of EDUCATING our precious children to a godless government employee. They are not trained to educate our children, but to indoctrinate them with their socialism/marxism, and to embrace homosexuality, especially not to THINK—as is evidenced by all the libs.

    As I’m sure you know, it was for the sin of homosexuality (…”BECAUSE THEIR SIN IS VERY GRIEVOUS”)Gen.18.20b that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, “THEN THE LORD RAINED UPON SODOM AND UPON GOMORRAH BRIMSTONE AND FIRE FROM THE LORD OUT OF HEAVEN; AND HE OVERTHREW THOSE CITIES…”Gen.19.24 & 25a

    Will God have to overthrow our entire nation? I keep hearing of more states giving homosexuals their “right to sin”, but God does not give such a right.

    You are dead on, we must get back to the Bible and also educating our children properly. I am not perfect by any means, but I did home school my precious ones which God has so graciously given to me. I thank God that I had that freedom to teach my children the Bible and give them a far superior education than my husband and I received from the government. I pray many more people will keep their children from the harm of the government holding camps.

    There are so many good posters on this sight, this is VERY encouraging!!!!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    At any rally, I wonder how many Tea Partiers have cheated on their spouses? Or how many of them have harassed women such as Paula Jones or Juanita Broderick? How many Tea Partiers have been involved in Whitewater-type scandals? IMO, Clinton should just ‘let he who is without sin cast the first stone’. With millions of veterans, active military personnel and Tea Partiers, it’s an outrageous lie to label then all as psychotic nutcases like McVeigh or Nichols…..Of course, like Jimmy Carter, Slick Willy is presumably retired from politics, and therefore no longer has to deceive voters with a ‘right to center’ appearance. Rush Limbaugh has labeled the loser Carter as a national ‘hemorrhoid’. Likewise, is Slick Willy now becoming ‘National Hemorrhoid #2”?

  • JeffH

    A Real Hate Group–The Progressive Radical Socialist Democratic Party In Power–Bill Clinton–The Liar–Lies Again–Mount Carmel, Waco, Texas–April 19, 1993–Democide–Government Murder!

    Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are both notorious liars and progressive radical socialists that attack the American people when they disagree and oppose their progressive radical socialist political agenda of the Democratic Party.

    The American people are waking up and looking forward to throwing these corrupt lying politicians out of office in next three elections.

    The fear and trembling of the progressive radical socialists is palpable and justified.

    Both Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are committing political suicide by attacking, demonizing and threatening the American people–let them.

    The American people will do the right thing and vote most if not all the progressive radical socialist Democrats and Republicans out of office in future elections.

    http://raymondpronk.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/real-hate-groups-the-progressive-radical-socialist-democrtaic-party-in-power-bill-clinton-the-liar-lies-again-mount-carmel-waco-texas-april-19-1993-democide-government-murder/

  • http://Yahoo.com Blackstoneforces

    Clinton is also a Skull and Bones NWO (Satanically inspired) THUG. They are all about the “ADVANCEMENT of HISTORY” in order to meet the goals of the NWO agenda.
    In this case they used McVeigh as a means to an extreme, (just as they did in 911) by telling the people that his Fire Cracker he put into the van was the cause of the building imploding. Just as buildings were being brought down from the bottom up rather than the top down in 911, the OK City bldg. was actually torn up from the inside out. Why do you think they took him out so fast? This was a deliberate inside job by our government just like 911. The government used this event to further their real agenda. What is the agenda ? Its called “MORIAH CONQUERING WIND”. The open conspiracy plans for a world revolution and an eventual “Violent government crack down” on what their version of “DISSIDENCE”is defined as. This definition of dissidence will lead to a total enslavement and or imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of American citizens. (All in the name of keeping the peace.) This list of dissidence includes but not limited to, people who speak against the government objectives, anti illegal immigration rhetoric, people who own guns, people who are pro life, people who put patriotic bumper stickers on their car, etc. (USSR?) These are only a few of the many ways you can be labeled as Terrorists that our government has chosen to call normal Americans. There are hundreds of WWII type camps being set up all across America as we speak by FEMA, in preparation for the state of martial law they intend to declare when the people try to take back their government. The only way to stop this is for our STATES to take back control of governing themselves and their people. The states can then tear down these prison camps and stop the Federal Gov. from taking over the rights of its citizens. There is still time to stop this communist government takeover of our life liberty and pursuit of happiness. The other thing we can do is pray for God to bless this nation and keep us from this evil that is about to overtake us. Anathema!

  • Nick

    (COMMENT REMOVED)

    • JeffH

      OMG!

      • Airangel

        Dang, I had a meeting and looks like I missed some fun (comments removed???) *lol…I had to do some ordering in Arizona to support them since San Diego and of course (Hollywood) are boycotting them and the Phoenix Sun are going to show their support by wearing new uniforms labeled “Los Suns”…good grief….I feel sorry for the hard working “American” citizens that will be impacted by the boycotts…(most are Hispanic) so this is only hurting their fellow countrymen…idiots!

        • JeffH

          Airangel, the “comments removed” really had no bearing on anything here, other than a similarity in name of another poster. You didn’t miss anything there. Backtrack for some chuckles though.

        • jsin

          they need to go after the EMPLOYERS

  • http://PersonalLiberty Global Mamma

    kimmie, my husband and I aren’t retirement age for many years yet, and we have NO plans to ever retire. There already is NO money in the SS fund, in fact it is millions of dollars in the red, so if you think we are stupid enough to plan our future on the government handouts, you have another think coming!!!

  • Rod

    Bill Clinton Has been Lying for years, like, HE DIDN’T HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN”. He and his “progressive elite” buddies are out to destroy
    our nation. He and Obama and Palosi and Reid will never quit trying and
    will ALWAYS FAIL! Just like Hitler did!

  • Jack Gordon

    Right-wingers are the cause of a massive decline in the quality of dialogue in this country. Half-educated loud mouths like Limbaugh are the reason talk has become so cheap, and to compare these clowns with Americans of a former century, men and women who actually could use the English language for something other than bumper-sticker sloganeering, is criminal.

    • JeffH

      Jack Gordon, thanks for your observations and contribution. I can certainly tell by your delivery that you are above all of the “right-wing” verbage that has caused such a decline in the quality of America’s dialogue.
      Wouldn’t you think that the liberal “left-wingers” might have played a part in this decline you speak of?

      If I may ask, were you educated at an Ivy League college, a major state university or a junior college? I’ll try not to guess even though I have my own ideas.

      • JUST SAY NO to bigger government

        Too funny Jeff, but he got his edu. from the socialist main stream media, so your comment probably went over his head.
        ……………………………………………………………………………………………

        Hey Jack;
        You’re blaming the right wingers for the decline in dialog in this country? rofl!! Look above for the “subject” of this article. How would you rate slick willy Clintoon as far as contributing to the decline in dialog in America?
        “I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN”!!
        “YEAH I SMOKED POT, BUT I NEVER INHALED”!!
        We’ll just forget about Whitewater.
        Clintoon showed us all how a president can LIE and get away with it in the ’90s and he’s never stopped. The deceit that envelopes that clown, and his lack of character truly amazes me.
        We’ll just forget about Whitewater.

  • Tony

    Slick needs to be worrying about his next extramarital escapade and step away from politics. He’s one of the reasons we’re we are at today with his fair housing debacle.

  • jsin

    clinton was impeached by a bunch of money wasting republicans for private business that should have been between him and hillary.Sean hannity started the tim mcveigh bit.Like it or not ,obama was elected by the same system as bush, and alot of people did not like him either.So grow up and get over it Obama is the pres for now and if you dont like it dont vote for him.But the right wing cheapens their position when the perpetuate all these crazy conspiracies. HE HAS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE and the fact of the matter is he is a middle of the road pres, not the liberal i had hoped for. so remember Jesus loves you he loves gays and lesbians and muslims too he does not love hate-he does not love lies. we need campaign finance reform so we can elect somebody who is not a sellout like obama

    • denniso

      I agree, but Obama is probably less a ‘sellout’ than most presidents who have a longer political record. We need public financing w/ no private money at all, for national elections. Nothing else will work as we’ve seen from history.

      • jsin

        he is certainly better that the other choice, it seems like he is just compromising too much to the republicans who will not be happy no matter what.

        • denniso

          I think Obama really thinks he can win them over w/ a show of bi-partisanship and in the interest of fixing all the messes we have that need quick action. I wish he would show more fight and call the Repubs on some of their statements and positions and make it clear to the people that the repubs are obstructing everything just to deny him any victories, even when their inaction is hurting the country.
          What happened to the days of all of us pulling together for the good of the country? We are going through the worst recession in 80 yrs w/ millions unemployed and struggling…a recession that happened before he took office,and we have the majority of repubs fighting against trying to fix things.

    • JeffH

      Looks like a new lovefest has been started…good luck to both of you.

      • Right Wing

        Yeah Jeaff, I’m blushing here too. Just look at those crazy liberals dreaming of free government distributions together. Can’t you just see them rolling in the grass together on a warm sunny day together? Now pan out and notice it is Arlington and the motivated Americans are hard at work.

        • denniso

          Sure…just like all rightwing zealots. You can’t think or discuss or debate anything at all so all you have is belittling and childish comments…keep it up and show every objective person here,not many of course,how ridiculous you are.

          • JeffH

            denniso, just look in the mirror again to see how objective you really are.

          • denniso

            Why don’t you two get a job? Do something productive rather than this childish baloney you apparently can’t refrain from.

          • JeffH

            denniso, you’ve got nothing better to do than spew your usual diatribe.

          • Meteorlady

            denniso – I have a couple of questions I need answered:

            When was the last time you volunteer time for a charity?
            When was the last time you donated a portion of your salary (provided you work) to a charity?
            Do you, as a liberal, actually believe that your rules should apply to me if we are truly a free country?
            Why do you think the federal government should be in our lives to the extent that they are today?
            What do you think the states rights are for?
            Have you actually read and understood the Federalist Papers, the Bill of Rights or the Constitution?
            Last, but not least, why do you feel others are entitled to the money I worked so hard for?

      • Meteorlady

        Sends shivers up my spine.

        • jsin

          i find it strang that you righties alway cry about big government,yet you the first on board to ban gay marriage. It seems to me that the choices of two consenting adults,choices which will not affect others at all,shoud come under government scrutiney.

  • Martin Keeler

    The only real “tea-baggers” are those such as Barney Frank. You know the sort of pervert he is.

  • Gene

    Wake up people or you will all regret it soon.. The time to change this sad course were on is running out quick.. God Bless The Freedom Movement.. May it be Compassionate and Successful.. Read This…

    “A revolution is coming ,a revolution which will be peaceful if we are wise enough ; compassionate if we care enough; successful if we are fortunate enough- But a revolution is coming whether we will it or not. Robert Kennedy 1968″… hmm a democrat said this and then was assassinated.. WHY ?…

    Gene, Campaign for Liberty member Albany NY..

  • John

    No doubt there are forces in control that we don’t truly know about. These forces keep us about 20 years or so behind what we think is some kind of new revelation. My belief is only God can fix this as man has pretty much screwed everything up. There’s a post by Ron Paul I think is informative: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPSJDqx4Dq4

  • http://mog7@cox.net Muriel P. Goyette

    As long as Clinton is reminiscing, let’s remind him who gave NO.KOREA
    THE REACTOR which enabled that country to go nuclear and make the entire world a more dangerous place. The 18″ doll that was out when he was in office revealed what a role model he was to the world: IT SAID
    I’LL BOMB LONDON. I’LL BOMB FRANCE….IF YOU TAKE DOWN MY UNDER……
    Guess what part of his clothing fell to his feet.
    Some of those democrat presidents are so …. amusing?

  • Dave

    Calm down – keep your powder dry and secure – practice as you can afford and teach someone you care about with each trip to the range or wood lot. Just remember to teach someone each day that this is simply about the principles and standards of the people who understand the difference between living by the standard of individual rights and God given liberty – or communal “Rights” – cited by men in power at any given time in our history- elected or NOT. God Bless America and Her Sacred CONSTITUTION. Swear to support it in your heart – Join us in keeping our liberty by defeating the one party marxist assaulting us.

  • cella

    Brainwashed Fox watchers. After reading all these comments, you need to get a life. Quit watching Rush and Glen. If you live in (words removed for offensive content) Ky. vote for Rand Paul. He will put all you Social Security handouts in your place. He would like to do away with it, but he has said he would like to make the first 2000 dollars out of your pocket. I AGREE, AND I WILL LAUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. VOTE FOR RAND!!!!!!!!!!

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