Politicians Are Actors In An Absurd Theater

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Politicians are employees of the government. The government pays their salaries and their health insurance premiums and funds their pensions. So it should come as no surprise that they always work to grow and expand government.

Government programs are never cut. Even when politicians are arguing over cutting some so-called “entitlement” or government agency, the cuts they talk about are cuts in growth. There are never any serious discussions about actually cutting government.

On the Federal level there is just one political party, and it is the government party. Any belief that there is any significant difference between Democrats and Republicans is pure fantasy. All supposed differences are merely Kabuki theater designed to keep the people distracted from the behind-the-scenes machinations of the elites. This is aided and abetted by a compliant mainstream media, which functions as a propaganda arm of the government and the parties.

Politicians — with only a handful of exceptions — do not care about the Constitution and generally see it as an impediment to their objective. Their No. 1 goal is to do the will of their masters, the moneyed elites and secret societies that use governments to advance their agendas. That way, politicians can hold on to their places of prominence and supposed “power” in government for as long as possible.

That’s why politicians who wear the “R” label as well as those who wear the “D” label are working in concert against those who seek to reign in government, reduce its scope, return it to its Constitutional parameters and reduce government spending.

Tea Party people — that is the original Tea Party people who are the small-business owners, veterans, blue-collar workers, white-collar workers, homemakers and retirees who form the backbone of the country — conservative Constitutionalists and libertarians are vilified by the MSM, the Republican Party establishment and Democrats. Their efforts to reign in government and return America to a republic with free market capitalism — as opposed to the crony capitalism/fascism that currently exists — are derided as whacky, crazy and dangerous by the elected establishment and their enablers. Of special note is the similar language used by both “sides” to denigrate them.

That is because Tea Party people, conservatives and libertarians are rocking the establishment boat. The elites see them as a danger that could upset their designs.

Most people who are aware of politics on at least a basic level remain trapped in a false left/right paradigm. This includes most Tea Party people and most who consider themselves conservative.

It does not matter which Party is in control of the government at any given time. Regardless of whether the President and/or Congress is led by the “R” people or the “D” people, money debasement continues unabated, wars are started or expanded, regulations increase, the dependent class grows and government becomes more overbearing and more totalitarian.

Tea Party people and other conservatives are beating their collective heads against the proverbial wall attempting to reform the system by changing the Republican Party. I believe this is a fool’s errand. While there will be some success at ousting statist and progressive big-government office holders, the establishment is too entrenched and has pockets too deep for this effort to make significant headway.

Look at the most recent gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey. In Virginia, Ken Cuccinelli was conservative enough to draw the endorsement of Ron Paul, who called Cuccinelli a “Constitutionalist.” Cuccinelli has also been a leader in opposing Obamacare and filed the first State lawsuit against the individual mandate.

Trailing by double digits in the polls just a couple of weeks prior to the election, Cuccinelli closed the gap on Terry McAuliffe as the election neared, despite being underfunded and vastly outspent and having a faux libertarian candidate stealing 7 percent of the vote. Then the GOP establishment abandoned him. Obviously, the GOP establishment preferred Bill Clinton’s bagman over a “Constitutionalist” Governor in Virginia.

In New Jersey Chris Christie won re-election over token Democrat opposition. Christie is now the darling of the establishment, but he is no conservative. Like the GOP elites, Christie disdains Tea Party people and Constitutionalists. He ignored Cuccinelli’s pleas for an assist through a brief campaign stop. Cuccinelli took the anti-Obamacare vote and won even among married women and independents, so it’s quite possible that a Christie appearance on his behalf might have swayed a contest that Cuccinelli lost by 2 percent.

The promotion of Christie for GOP contender by the elites has begun. On Friday, Christie made his comedic debut on “The Michael J. Fox Show.” On Sunday, Christie prattled and preened on the Sunday “news” shows. Establishment types like Mitt Romney and Senator Orrin Hatch are touting him as the hope of the party in 2016. Big money is lining up behind him, including U.S. Chamber of Commerce money that is at the same time pushing for amnesty for illegal aliens, an act would hasten the destruction of the U.S. economy.

Yet Christie has done nothing to turn around his State’s economy. Unemployment in New Jersey remains above 8 percent, and it is ranked 49th in the Tax Foundation’s State business tax climate index. If he becomes the GOP’s standard bearer in 2016, the conservatives will abandon him as they did John McCain and Romney.

The Federal government and Congress are losing credibility as more and more people awaken to the slow-motion downfall of America. The country is in a fast-lane collapse economically, morally and socially.

Make no mistake. The master plan is to devalue the U.S. dollar, but to do it gradually. That’s why the elites can’t allow Constitutionalists and the Tea Party people to succeed.

The vote is meaningless and has been for 50 years. When you see politicians vote one way then turn around and vote to disapprove of their votes, you must surely realize that Washington is a show: It is a theater of the absurd.

Personal Liberty

Bob Livingston

founder of Personal Liberty Digest™, is an ultra-conservative American author and editor of The Bob Livingston Letter™, in circulation since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    People, watch this video and you’ll see what is going on behind the curtains, who rules the world and how people’s mind is manipulated.
    Invisible Empire (All 12 Parts) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcP81rBkJHw&list=PL10315A4DE3D29325

    Dems and Reps were and are in ONE bad.
    One of the main Purpose is to destroy USA as a sovereign State.

    • LINDITA

      AS PEOPLE, ONE OF THE MAIN PREDATORY’S TRIBE GREEK PURPOSE IN BOTH PARTIES IS TO REPLACE AMERICAN RICH, AMERICA’S NAME LOOKING TO LEGALIZE THE BURGLARY AND TO BE INDEPENDENT IN A COUNTRY HOST ESPECIALLY NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY. SHAME ON YOU!

      • http://www.rt.com Alondra

        Yea, Right, SHAME ON ME!

  • Hap Harris

    Bob Livingston nails it again. Great article-!!

    • JeffH

      I concur!

      • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear JeffH,

        Thank you,

        Best wishes,
        Bob

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Hap Harris,

      Thank you!

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • Deerinwater

    I happen to believe Washington has always preformed great theater from the very beginning.

    After declaring independence, members of congress knew that they needed “some kind of government” So a confederation was formed, consisting of a “loose association” of almost independent states. Articles of Confederation were adopted in 1781 giving the states more power than the National government.

    So for 11 years there was no President, no National courts, each state making their own laws and own money. Eleven states actually had their own Navy. There was a total 14 different currencies to conduct commerce with.

    Can you imagine the Theater that offered?

    In May of 1787, 52 delegates representing the Confederation met in Philadelphia to “improve the Articles of Confederation. But instead of improving them, they ended up scrapping them and starting all over.

    The Articles had not been very successful , was probably the first thing to come out of the long heated debate that carried through the hot summer of 1787. Once discussions got underway, people that had came together to fight for independence soon realized they envisioned different ideas about what independence meant. Who should have power and how much.

    From this remarkable meeting came the first draft of our Constitution that defined the powers of the US. Government and the Rights of it’s citizens.

    This took a lot of compromising for even at that time, the United States was already one of the largest and most diverse nations in the world. And this was before The Louisiana Purchase, the buying of all lands west of the Mississippi river to the Rocky’s from Neapolitan for 15 million dollars or 14 cents an acre.

    The division of thought and culture was extreme even then and was divided between Northern & Southern states~ making politics for each very different.

    Slavery was a subject of great contention even then. The delegation opted to forego this point of contention as it seemed to be a “Deal Breaker” . Delegates from northern state viewed it as wrong but the practice in decline as the earth wore out growing Tobacco. ~ Slavery was seen as something that would come to an end by natural causes in good time.

    How was representation to be determined?

    The Theater was just as intense then as it is today, and perhaps more so. As these were HUGE decisions being made that greatly effect us even today. ~ They just didn’t have the privilege of media as we do today. Which was probably for the best.

    In any case ~ in 1793 Eli Whitney’s Cotton Gin entered the market place. A machine that could remove the seeds from cotton bowels 50 times faster and produce 50 times more cotton then earlier methods ~ renewed the demand for slaves ~ and the fly was back in the ointment.

    • Deerinwater

      Oh! you don’t like history and hard facts? why am I not surprised?

  • Enee, meenee, minee, mo……

    Oligarchic facism. Actually the vote has been useless since 1913. Coincidentally, the year of the creation of the (private, for profit) Federal Reserve and the INCOME TAX.

  • KG

    There is a simple test to prove that there is a difference between the two major political parties. Just ask yourself the question: “…is there a Democrat way to build a bridge, or a Republican way?” I think if you honestly answer that question, you will find vast differences between the parties as well as fundamental ideals that propel both sides. I didn’t include ‘Libertarians’ because they wouldn’t build a bridge in the first place!

    • rbrooks

      the libertarians expect someone else to build the bridge so they can use it.

      • KG

        LOL! AFK! BRB!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        The Libertarians paid the taxes for those bridges just like everybody else. And just like everybody else most of their money was wasted as the Private Sector would have built those bridges much more cost-effectively.
        http://mises.org/books/roads_web.pdf

        • rbrooks

          the private sector did build the bridges. the public provided the means. you can never show how you would provide the means that would have the private sector finance the bridge they built.
          all you want is someone else to pay for the bridge that you want to use.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Read the book, rbrooks. You can read, can’t you?
            The Private Sector would build the Bridges and Roads that were necessary to the people using them with the only difference being that they would only be paid for by the people who would actually use them instead of the current situation where Monopoly Government builds them inefficiently, because they suffer no loss if they don’t, and pays for them with other unwilling people’s money.
            People who want services paid for by unwilling non-users, and administered inefficiently and impolitely, seek Big Government.
            People who want services paid only by the actual users of those services, and administered efficiently and politely, seek Free Markets and Small Government.

          • Vis Fac

            rbrooks can’t read he is a product of liberal one dimensional indoctrination camp and is functionally illiterate, a kind way of saying stupid, otherwise known as the “low information voter”!!!

            A liberal is a power worshiper without power. So much of left wing thought is playing with fire by people who don’t know that fire is hot!

            To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • KG

            You are not an unwilling non-user if you reside within the United States of America. In fact, you are free to leave the USA if you don’t wish to participate in our Democratic Republic. Of course, you are a ‘Patriot’, so are you going to participate in YOUR government?

            You utter selfishness is the problem. Stop thinking about yourself so much and consider the fact that no man is an island unto himself.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ahh yes, the old and trite “love it or leave it” tactic.
            You can leave, KGB. I am going to stay right here and fight to get my country back from the enslavers like yourself.

            KGB says — “no man is an island”.
            What does that have to do with Freedom of Choice, KGB? Any group of rapists could use such phraseology to rationalize their aggressive actions against their victim.

          • rbrooks

            actual users. how will you determine who the actual users will be. what if they quit using. what a new person wants to use it.

            the old toll road theory, eh.

            which still leaves you with the means. someone has to pay for it when it is built. and then wait for a possible return.
            only in your dream world will that ever happen.
            millions of miles of roads and bridges. would have never been built.
            they are several country’s that currently use a version of your plan. you should move there and see how well it works.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Free Markets would solve that problem easily, Flashman. There could be RFID scanners, for instance, like they have on some toll roads right now. As the customer passed the scanner it would automatically bill his account. Those people who were afraid of losing privacy could choose to pull over at selected locations to deposit coins or bills. Free Markets would work it out. The profit motive is a great incentivizer.
            At any rate, the money people would save would more than make up for any loss in privacy or convenience.
            I think the privacy issue (like you have any privacy anyway with license plates on your car) would be easy to address by having anonymous accounts which could be paid with cash to keep them anonymous.

    • Vis Fac

      The government doesn’t know how to do anything but consume resources this includes providing anything of substance. No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. A government bureau or department is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth.

      A liberal is a power worshiper without power. So much of left wing thought is playing with fire by people who don’t know that fire is hot!

      To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • KG

        Answer this question – who is the Government?
        According to the Constitution, WE, THE PEOPLE are the government..

        When Ronald Reagan said ” Government is not the solution, Government is the problem.” What he REALLY said was ” The People are not the solution, The People ARE the problem.”

        When you read it like that, it makes sense what the Republicans have been doing the last 30 years.

        • JeffH

          Only a card carrying commie could spin Reagan’s words like that!

        • Vis Fac

          The question is not who is the government but WHAT makes up the government A who is a single entity which by all means and purposes is ODUMBO (for now) We all know you liberals want an all consuming government and Reagan was dead set against more government People with no substance or spine want a big government to take care of them

          A liberal is a power worshiper without power. So much of left wing thought is playing with fire by people who don’t know that fire is hot!! You don’t know anything let alone that fire is hot.

          The worst advertisement for socialism and liberalism are its adherents

          If you want a vision of a socialist future, imagine a
          boot stamping on a human face – forever George Orwell

          To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Dear KG, I am going to answer your question, I hope you wouldn’t mind.

          You are right that the Founding Fathers meant “WE, THE PEOPLE are the government” and they restated/ summarized it in the Constitution, Amendment 10 (Powers of the States and People)

          And Patrick Henry, a Founding Father and the first and sixth Governor of Virginia said:

          The CONSTITUTION is not an instrument for the GOVERNMENT to restrain the PEOPLE, it is an instrument for the PEOPLE to restrain the GOVERNMENT – lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.”

          And as YOU KNOW the Constitution is not corrupt, but people (politicians) ARE!

          They, CORRUPT politicians of the BOTH parties, misinterpret or completely dismiss/ignore the Supreme Law of this Land for more than 60 years.

          The Constitution is hijacked, and with that the People’s Power (Amendment 10), Rights and Freedoms are hijacked.

          ~80% of the elections are FRAUDULENT.
          ~80% of the Politicians are CORRUPT. They do NOT serve/work for people. They are “working” for enriching themselves by sucking the people.

          We are living in the totalitarian state with the symptoms of Tyranny.

          Homer Simpson said: “Kids, just because I don’t care doesn’t mean I’m not listening.”

          Our Government says: “People, just because we’re listening doesn’t mean we do care.”

          Homer Simpson said: “Hey, can you take the wheel for a second, I have to scratch myself in two places at once.”

          Well, People trusted the wheel to corrupt gov’t long ago, and they still scratching themselves who knows in what places.

          Homer Simpson said: “It takes two to LIE. One to lie and one to listen.”

          Corrupt gov’t LIES and stupid people cheer.

          “There is no distinctly American criminal class – except CONGRESS.” – Mark Twain

          Conclusion: “The penalty good men pay for INDIFFERENCE to public affairs is to be RULED BY EVIL MEN.” – Plato

  • rbrooks

    you know bob, the public finds your political game to be just as bad as the r and d folks you rail against.
    you have adopted the limbaugh debating style. while that does gain you a few supporters, it turns away far more who might support at least a few of your candidates.
    tho i doubt the public is willing to let the church start running the country or to accept the old restrictions of suitable heritage or gender to be a citizen.

    you must enjoy fighting windmills.

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear rbrooks,

      You write: “you know bob, the public finds your political game to be just as bad as the r and d folks you rail against.” You have evidence for this? Or is this merely your conjecture?

      You write: “you have adopted the limbaugh debating style.” What does this mean?

      You write: “while that does gain you a few supporters, it turns away far more who might support at least a few of your candidates.” Who are my “candidates?”

      You write: “tho i doubt the public is willing to let the church start running the country or to accept the old restrictions of suitable heritage or gender to be a citizen.” Non sequitur.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Vis Fac

        Anything rbrooks writes is Non sequitur!!!

        To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

        You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

      • WTS/JAY

        Lol! I love it!

    • Carl-Cathy Wisnesky

      Yep, us original true TEA Party people sure do enjoy fighting windmills.
      Wind Power’s Stunning Link to Toxic Waste
      Proponents of wind turbine energy tout its environmental
      advantages over fossil fuel energy sources that produce carbon dioxide emissions.
      But what they don’t talk about is the vast amount of radioactive
      waste and other toxic substances resulting from the mining of the rare earth minerals needed by wind turbines, according to a disturbing report from two energy experts.
      Wind turbines use magnets made with neodymium and dysprosium,
      rare earth minerals mined almost exclusively in China, reported Travis Fisher and Alex Fitzsimmons, policy associates with the Institute for Energy Research.
      An MIT study estimated that a 2-megawatt wind turbine contains
      about 752 pounds of rare earth minerals.
      Simon Parry of Britain’s Daily Mail traveled to Baotou in
      northern China to view the mines, factories, and dumping grounds associated with China’s rare earth industry, including a 5-mile-wide lake of industrial waste.
      “This vast, hissing cauldron of chemicals is the dumping ground
      for 7 million tons a year of mined rare earth after it has been doused in acid and chemicals and processed through red-hot furnaces to extract its components,” Parry wrote.
      “Rusting pipelines meander for miles from factories processing
      rare earths in Baotou out to the man-made lake where, mixed with water, the foul-smelling radioactive waste from this industrial process is pumped day after day.”
      As the lake of waste grew larger, local farmers told Parry,
      “anything we planted just withered, then our animals started to sicken and die.”
      Residents of a nearby village said their teeth began to fall
      out, their hair turned white at young ages, and they suffered from severe skin and respiratory diseases. Children were born with soft bones and the incidence of cancer and osteoporosis soared, the Mail reported.
      The lake’s radiation levels are 10 times higher than in the
      surrounding countryside, official studies found.
      In Baotou, most people wear face masks wherever they go, Parry
      noted.
      The report from Fisher and Fitzsimmons, published by Rightside
      News, disclosed that extracting one ton of rare earth minerals produces about one ton of radioactive waste as a byproduct of separating the rare earth minerals from the mined ore.
      Last year the United States added 13,131 megawatts of
      wind-generating capacity, and at least 4.9 million pounds of rare earths were used in the turbines installed in 2012. That means at least 4.9 million pounds of radioactive waste were created to make those turbines.
      In comparison, the U.S. nuclear industry produces between 4.4
      and 5 million pounds of spent nuclear fuel each year. So the U.S. wind industry most likely created more radioactive waste last year than America’s entire nuclear industry — while accounting for just 3.5 percent of all electricity generated in the country.
      And the MIT study revealed that the demand for dysprosium could
      rise by 2,600 percent in the next 25 years as the wind industry grows, the Rightside News authors warn.
      They conclude: “All forms of energy production have some
      environmental impact. However, it is disingenuous for wind lobbyists to hide the impacts of their industry while highlighting the impacts of others.
      “From illegal bird kills to radioactive waste, wind energy poses serious environmental risks that the wind lobby would prefer you never know about.”

    • JeffH

      rbrooks lends to us his less than candid observation about this website, Bob Livingston’s #1 rated Libertarian website.

      Of course rbrooks can’t support his idiotic observation with facts, unless it is the one fact that he and his dishonest and ever manipulating liberal progressive pals are met head on with the resistance of truth and facts and are most often turned away by the rejection of the daily participants at PLD.

      Ron White was right…ya just can’t “fix stupid”…it’s forever!

  • Louis Lemieux

    Dear Bob,

    “Tea Party people — that is the original Tea Party people who are the small-business owners, veterans, blue-collar workers, white-collar workers, homemakers and retirees who form the backbone of the country,…”
    Come on now! Only a very small percentage of them are Tea Party people…!!!
    ,

    • Deerinwater

      That’s my reaction to the statement as well Louis. ~ perhaps in the beginning , in a galaxy far far away. And why I always suggested that there is some serious Hyjacking a going on.

      Today this is what they present, ~ smaller government, ~ but what they seem to want is bigger Church!

      I am a small business man, ~ and government has created many obstacles to prevent me from “winning” from succeeding ~ but as long as i share this burden among piers I am willing to accept it for what it is ~ dominion and the struggle to persevere, which make us stronger in resolve and more determined.

      • Deerinwater

        To me, most tea party supporters come from Dixiecrat’s. Retired white Christians or approaching retirement. ~ people that think of conservatism as the way things were when they were much younger and wish it might return. Like it might be legislated into existence.

        Or people like I once use to be before I grew up, ~ I hated people of color, hated fairy’s, I hated government and wished everyone would just leave me alone and couldn’t understand why ~ it was important to ask for permission or pay respect. I seen myself invincible, knew everything and what I didn’t know , wasn’t worth knowing, an agent unto myself. It was my way or the highway.

        Well, after 40 years, that didn’t work so very good. That it might have worked for anyone else. Congratulations.

        • speedle24

          Here’s the thing Deer. You seem to discriminate against those who discriminate regardless of the context of the issue. You also seem to have had some sort of epiphany or enlightenment that guides your philosophy. The problem is that it actually clouds your philosophy. Whether or not the Tea Party contains “Dixiecrats, retired Christians, etc.. really is not the point. An army is composed of all manner of fauna united under a single cause. Even its most capable and successful leaders are flawed (George S. Patton).
          You complain about how you have been screwed by the government but it seems your preoccupation with bigotry (or whatever you view anyone over 50 from the south as) is more important to you than what the government is doing to you and the rest of us.
          Also, don’t be too dismissive about “the good old days” as if we were talking about “I Love Lucy”. There actually is much to learned from history in terms of both mistakes and successes, especially as it concerns the past functions of government relative to today’s role of government. No, we can’t go back, but we can sure as hell take the best of what we had and take it forward.

          • Deerinwater

            hmm? ~ That was nicely written, ~ and I will return and address some of your comments Speedle24. Too much of a rush and pressing matters at the moment to offer worthy rebuttal without sincere consideration and introspect.

        • Vis Fac

          One cannot really be a Liberal and grown up. Eric Arthur Blair

          YOUR attitude not only speaks volumes but either hinders or promotes success. I can only speak for myself but my clients kept me busy because of my positive attitude. I was told this by several clients who said my attention to detail (meaning meeting their desires and needs) was the sole factor for their repeat business. I was never the least expensive proposal but in fact one of the most expensive. My attitude and the attitude of my staff were the deciding factors Providing a superior product and service helped.

          To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Deerinwater

            Coming from you that is Hilarious Recon.

            You need to grow up first ~ to make such a comment, ~ You still got your class A’s they sent you home in and probably the rain coat as well.

          • Vis Fac

            You are the epitome of a liberal and a liberal is a power worshiper without power. So much of your left wing thought is playing with fire by people who don’t know that fire is hot!!

            If you want a vision of a socialistic future, imagine a
            boot stamping on a human face – forever George Orwell

            To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • Warrior

        Well, I am one of your “peers” and too many are now in favor of the “Church” of “Force”! “Shared Burden”? Spoken like a true believer in the front pew of the “Gubmint Church”!

        • Deerinwater

          And when you carry the day, I shall follow but until that time comes considered me your must worthy opposition in this debate.

          and hell yes Warrior, ~ SHARED BURDEN , ~ what ever on Gods green earth make you believe that it;s not ~ Has tunnel vision consumed you completely?

          The state government of Texas kick us AC contractors a$$ for 22 years, ~ For 22 years the government enforcing administration regulations and extracting administration penalties before they every started enforcing code violations, no insurance and no licenses at all. ~ The state spent 22 years attacking working men that were committed to be “professionals” and part of the solution while it ignored the problem of unlicensed, non insured contractors entirely. For 22 years I completed in a environment that i could not win, ~ but only scratch out an existence.

          22 years is a big piece out of anyone’s professional career. ~ 22 year of having to compete with government on your back on a unlevel playing field.

          So when I say “Shared” ~ I mean “shared” ~for I was not the only one that endured this disparity.

          I’m still pi$$ about it. ~ I can’t get back those 22 years. and i’m not putting up with none of your $hit about it.

          I’ve got a good a reason to hate government as anyone here. ~ but I refuse to behave a victim and join your pity party.

          You shake such things it off, and move on. learn to move with the punch, ~ life was never promised to be a Rose Garden while perhaps your parents made it appear that way.

          Life sucks and then you die ~ no need of wasting precious time at a “Pity Party”.

          • speedle24

            Dear Deer, as opposed to a “pity party”, what is your attitude and what do you suggest as a prescription to repair government?

          • JeffH

            answer: obtuse comments!

          • Deerinwater

            Why don’t you get your nose out of David’s but ~ you are sort of sickening Jeff.

          • JeffH

            What’s the matter ya dumb azz…that’s the best you can come up with?

            You wanna talk about sickening, try reading all of your own grammatically poor and “obtuse” comments.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Jeff, look who is talking about a “man-crush”?

            The manless coward and envious psychopathic MANIAC, who never could to make one comment without plagiarizing and parroting, who doesn’t have personal life and therefore he is watching at the keyholes of the other people’s life and conversations. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=eyes+lokking+thru+keyholes&qpvt=eyes+lokking+thru+keyholes&FORM=IGRE&id=DAF3213F4C527D520673A5FCF3E818485A018E34&selectedIndex=0#view=detail&id=DAF3213F4C527D520673A5FCF3E818485A018E34&selectedIndex=0

          • JeffH

            I hear you loud and clear!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Do you see his eye in your keyhole?
            I do.

          • Bob666

            Well Well Jeffery,
            As usual, all mouth-not an ounce of substance in your post other than being a cheer leader for Dave, you got nothing but a wetback cheerleader backing you.

            One day, you might have an original thought or statement. BTW, I’m still waiting for an explanation as to what I’m have lied about (you’ve made that claim on numerous occasions) and I would really like to know what it is that I “parrot” & we both know there will never be an explanation for that as well.

            Name calling is the only thing that you and your girl friend have.

            Really is a pretty sad situation

          • JeffH

            Hey you hypocritical dumb azz…I see you just couldn’t keep your foot out of your mouth and that you lied again when you said “you were done with me”. You ignorant progressives just love to let your emotions run your mouths and get the best of you!

            Nothing’s changed for you huh yo ho ho and a pile of 666? You’re still parroting what you hear…speaking of not able to think for yourself and your bigotry is glaring as evidenced by your racist “wetback cheerleader” comment.

            Now you mention that I’m a cheer leader for Dave…years of trust and respect for DaveH has garnered my respect trust and support for him.

            But this is all about DaveH huh? I won’t(lol) bring up your many feeble attempts to “kiss his azz” and your use of deception to “cuddle up” and portray yourself as a libertarian and a fan of his. He’s smart enough to see right thru you and smart enough to recognize who and what you represent through your other comments.

            I realize that you have nothing better to do or say than trolling this website and up-voting the ignorant progressives comments along with name calling and ridicule…just because you are one. Birds of a feather ya know!

            You say that “name calling” is all that I have, and I’ll not deny that I do name call and ridicule…well you ignorant hypocrit, I think that anyone that reads the bulk of your comments can easily see right thru you and recognize that you’re a hypocritical bafoon that brings very little to the table other than name calling and ridicule..and now you’ve exposed your racial bias as well…ie “wetback cheerleader”

            Baaahhhb666, you just let your emotional driven hatred keep starting fights you can’t win.

            FYI, I just got your package, the video of you and your families Xmas greeting, from the mailbox and it’s great to know you and your family will enjoy each other thru the holidays.

            Best wishes and merry christmas baaahhhhb666.
            JeffH

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            BINGO!!! BIBNGO!!! BINGO!!!
            Right on, JeffH!

            Hell hath no fury like a Hater scorned and an ego-centered Psychopath, who has been offended by the TRUTH. Maniac’s Chickens Coming Home To Roost.

            Cheers, Amigo mio!

          • JeffH

            Alondra, people like Baahhhhb666 are just too stupid for their own good. In his case, he’d be better off being thought a fool than opening his mouth and removing all doubt!

          • Bob666

            What am I Parroting Jeffery????

            That’s all you can do is repeat what the wetback says?
            Now that’s called parroting Jeffery and that sir is the definition of hypocrisy!

            Sticks and stones might break my bones, but angry & lonely old men that abuse testosterone cream will never-ever hurt me, especially when they never had an original thought!

          • JeffH

            Baaahhhh, baaahhhh, Baaahhhb666, you just let your emotional driven hatred keep starting fights you can’t win.

            LMAO! Childish and ignorant progressives just like you love to let your emotions run your mouths and get the best of you!

            As much as you say you’re done with me, you don’t have the intestinal fortitude to fight your emotional ineptitude.

            Now run along little boy and seek some help!
            Heh, heh, heh!

          • Bob666

            Jeff the Hypcrit says:

            “Baaahhhh, baaahhhh, Baaahhhb666, you just let your emotional driven hatred keep starting fights you can’t win”

            There is no emotion on my part Jeffrey, there never has been.

            “You’re still parroting what you hear…speaking of not able to think for yourself and you’re bigotry is glaring as evidenced by your”

            Again Jeffery, what have I been “Parroting” Just as you have accused me of being a lair, but you fail to back up your comments time after time because you lack any substance or credibility.

            The only thing that you are capable of doing is calling people names like liberal, progressive, moron, etc.

            You really are a sad lonely old man with out anyone in your life but a few guns.

            But Keep posting Jeffery and we will keep laughing-at your expense.

          • JeffH

            Your addiction has gotten the best of you…you emotionally unstable hypocrit Baaahhhhb666!

            Baaahhhhb666 lied when he said “There is no emotion on my part Jeffrey, there never has been.”

            Yeah, right and I suppose you believe that pigs can fly too! It’s your emotions that are written all over your comments ya dumb azz. Denial ain’t some river in Egypt either.

            Mirror oh emotional hypocrit – mirror!

            ROFLMAO!

            Now run along little boy and seek some help!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            I am sorry for the intrusion, but here are my 5 cents.

            Where the LITTLE insignificant “man” will seek the help if he “really [is] a sad lonely old man with out anyone in [his] life”. He even doesn’t have any ”wetback” nor “gun”.

            Hmmm, Progressive’s Chickens Coming Home To Roost.

            And he says: “But Keep posting Jeffery and we will keep laughing-at your expense.”

            Jeff, WHO are “WE”?

          • Bob666

            Well Jeffery,

            “emotionally unstable hypocrit Baaahhhhb666!”

            I rest my case!

          • JeffH

            Just can’t shake your addiction aye Baaahhhhb666?

            Now run along little boy and seek some help!

          • Bob666

            Well Jeffery,
            Addiction to what? The fact that you have very little to back up your insults & slurs?
            The question that you need to ask your self is; Why do you keep coming back for more?

            It really is kind of funny since you appear to be everything that you accuse me of being. I would say that if anyone needs professional help, it would be you Jeff.

            Say good night Jeffery and stroke your gun good night.

          • JeffH

            Baaahhhhb666, if you have to ask then you’re dumber than I thought you were. One can only surmise by your continuous replies that, despite what you say, you are extremely distraught and too emotionally scarred to shake your addiction.

            All this time I thought you were finished with me, at least that’s what you said the last time I made a fool of you, but even then you lied and kept coming back for more punishment. Then you said above “I rest my case”…but it’s obvious to even the simplest of minds that you never had a “case to rest” in the first place.

            Am I not surprised? Not in the least!
            Now go seek some help little boy hypocrit Baaahhhhhb!
            Ta Da for now!

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Jeff, did not boob REST his case?
            Ask him WHY does he “keep coming back for more”?
            Isn’t really “kind of funny” since he REST his case?
            Isn’t that really funny that EVERYTHING he accused you of appear to be he is. He REALLY REALLY REALLY needs professional help. And GOOD one.

            Isn’t sad, Jeff? I think it’s VERY VERY VERY sad.
            But it’s how the Progressive’s Chickens Coming Home To Roost.

            Warmest wishes, Amigo mio
            Alondra, Proud Naturalized American, Un-Apologetic Christian Bigot, the Tea Party Lover (in any sense), the PC snubber and the Hater of the VOLUNTARY Stupidity and Idiocy

            P.S. Peace & Love — Paz & Amor – Mиp & Любoвь

            “God is not dead, nor doth He sleep;
            The WRONG shall fail, the RIGHT prevail”

          • JeffH

            Alondra, you are right. He’s just too emotionally addicted to leave well enough alone. The moron is a glutten for punishment and he’s too stupid to even recognize that I just enjoy toying with him.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Bob666,

            I really prefer not to have to moderate you like you are child, but it appears you will not take my advice.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Bob666

            Bob,
            It does take two to Tango, the question is; who was leading?

          • Bob666

            Yo Deer,
            You almost have to feel embarrassed for him, It’s the absolute definition of a “man-crush”.

          • Deerinwater

            Remove all aspect of “conflict of interest” in politics. ( or as many as can be found possible)

            Allow proven act of Libel accompany extremely stiff penalties. ( make it hurt!)

            Curb lobbyist activities, ~ there need to be a serious review of lobbyist activities. , rule changes, followed by aggressive enforcement and stiff penalties.

            Don’t expect the Hill to police it’s own, find another way.

          • speedle24

            i would agree with your ideas Deer, and I would add a few more. But I am not sure what you mean about proven act of libel.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer says — “And when you carry the day, I shall follow but until that time comes considered me your must worthy opposition in this debate”.
            Deer offers his services as an erstwhile friend.
            He will side with whoever wins. In other words, Deer is an opportunist.

          • Vis Fac

            People can foresee the future only when
            it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome.

            Deer caught in the headlights as do all Socialists Liberals and communists thinks only of himself. His “tolerance” is only limited to his well being and not for anyone else. In the real world this is HYPOCRISY
            Eliminating competition is the only way insecure people operate. Wen I was in business I provided a superior product along with service.
            The customer ALWAYS gets what he pays for. Eventually they return to those who provide timely and professional service.

            To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Deerinwater

            When you “were in Business?” ~ I don’t know how many customers you had, ~ but obviously not enough.

            I’ve been an independent in the private sector since 1978. ~ In the beginning , it was lucrative until government stepped in and some did thousands of illegals. ~ Not that they can complete, ~but they can sure drive down market prices with such shear numbers. ~ When the state finally dis start busting them, ~ they busted 50 to 125 unlicensed a week for 6 years.

            You can’t compete with a man that pays no taxes, has no insurance, has no license , steals from his employer and moonlights. ~ and that’s what happened for 22 years.

            But, I’m talking to a tree ~ with you Recon, ~you’re just a pup and have not a clue about such matters.

            When was the last government payroll check that you received anyway? ~ last year? ~ 5 years ago ~ or are you a complete phony?

          • Vis Fac

            In business for more than 25 years with nearly 100 employees conducting a global business on six continents. If that’s not being competitive and making a difference nothing is

            It sounds like the green eyed monster has invaded your soul and you are angry at the world. Perhaps you set your goals too low and attained them rather than more lofty.

            The last government paycheck was in 1972 when I quit working for the company. I suppose I am a “pup” Hitler was chancellor when I was born and I suppose that GWB was president when you were born. So I guess I’m just a pup.

            A liberal is a power worshiper without power. So much of your left wing thought is playing with fire by people who don’t know that fire is hot!!

            If you want a vision of a socialistic future, imagine a
            boot stamping on a human face – forever George Orwell

            To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Deerinwater

            That’s correct David,~ I will accept defeat as long as there was honor in the fight and noble in the cause.

            And you will too ! Stupid man child. ~ Or you will be bleed down to nothing and made a believer out of and wished that you had. ~

            Clearly you’re all MOUTH. ~ and never fought a good fight in your entire life.

            For, ~ I say to you now, ~ you can’t win every fight. I never did and I don’t know of anyone else that has.

            Youj are “all” Hypothetical and have not a clue about what you speak.

            Which most all of us know except your manlust friend JeffH.

            if your bowel ran off like your mouth,you’d be dead in 10 minutes. DAVID H.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Argumentum ad Hominem.
            It seems to be all you have today, Deer. Are you all Jacked-up again?

          • Deerinwater

            hell yea! ~ and your not? ~ I take advantage of opportunities, ~ maybe you should try it and quite whiming about people stealing so much.

            I contend with people “taking for me” on a regular bases. ~ i question whether you could even lift one of my key rings David much less all of them.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I could beat you in any mental or physical contest, Deer.
            If you were really talented or worked hard, the last thing you would be is a Liberal Progressive.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Deer says — “The state spent 22 years attacking working men that were committed to be “professionals” and part of the solution while it ignored the problem of unlicensed, non insured contractors entirely”.
            And there you have it, Folks. Deer is one of the Crony Capitalists who favors Government suppression of his competition for his betterment at the expense of the rest of us.

            Now I understand the missing link in Deer’s chosen philosophy of Progressivism.

          • Deerinwater

            You betcha , ~ When Antonio Vargas or John Adam’s start up an unlicensed shop and I’m left to complete for the same market shares ~ while government imposing fines ranging form 300.0 to 1000.00 for failing to inform the state in 30 days of address change or failing to have a Tacl number print of all advertising or a state 1-800 number print on every invoice, ~ and ignores him and his operation ~ YOU BET cha.!

            But Fl–k you David , ~ you don’t know $hit from $hoe polish about business or business matters ~ and never have, as every-time you open your mouth you make it so very clear to every man and woman here that operates a profitable business in the private sector. .

            We had a huge influx of Mexican nationals that went unaddressed for years here in Texas David, ~ but you wouldn’t understand the significance of such things on professional trade markets ~ so why don’t you just put a sock in it and people won’t know how dumb you really are ? ~ you don’t work ~ what did you ever know about production and craftman trades?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So, like the typical Liberal Progressive, instead of seeking to eliminate competition-stifling licensing laws, you seek the lowest common denominator. And that is why Socialism doesn’t work.

            Deer says — “what did you ever know about production and craftman trades?”.
            I could out-perform you in any trade I chose, Deer. That’s why I never needed Unions or protective Licenses to make my living.

          • Warrior

            So Deer, do you view 47 million Americans collecting food subsidies a “success” story or quite possibly a “sign” that we’ve got some extremely serious societal problems? BTW, I really don’t understand your reference to “Pity Party”?

          • Deerinwater

            Off topic, best I can tell Warrior, ~ but yes, in a way it”s a success story, but for whom?

            ~ 47 million collecting food subsidies allowed the top 10% to stay in their ivory towers~ Warrior. ~

            Remove these subsidies, ~ and the House of cards will come crashing in. ~ Those in Ivory Towers wants Status Quo to continue for as long as it can, There are doing well with the present “arrangement” ~ Just look at the stats.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

            Income inequality in the United States has grown significantly since the early 1970s,[1][2][3][4][5] after several decades of stability,”

            “A 2011 study by the CBO[13] found that the top earning 1 percent of households increased their income by about 275% after federal taxes and income transfers over a period between 1979 and 2007,

            Only 42% of Americans think inequality has increased in the past ten years.[15] In 2012, the gap between the richest 1 percent and the remaining 99 percent was the widest it’s been since the 1920s.[
            16] Incomes of the wealthiest 1 percent rose nearly 20 percent, whereas the income of the remaining 99 percent rose 1 percent in comparison.[16]

          • Warrior

            Well then, it does appear ALL these new rules and regulations just aren’t cutting it as far as “leveling” the playing field. Welcome to the “gubmint plantation”!

          • Warrior
      • JeffH

        So says the Jabberwock!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Can you back up your claims with any facts, Louis? Or are we doomed to your Liberal Progressive conjecture in lieu of facts?

    • Vis Fac

      Apparently you have been too cowardly to attempt to start a business because that takes courage and risking all that you have something that our forefathers did to form this nation.

      Since you have done nothing with that pathetic little life of yours it is easy for people like you toy malign others.

      I would think nothing less of a new age Gullible
      Obnoxious Pejorative Philandering Prevaricating Progressive Party (GOPPPPP) AKA DUMBOCRITES. You provide nothing to support your theories but empty words!!!

      To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

    • JeffH

      Louis, you have absolutley nothing to support such a statement!
      As they say, “quit drinking the kool-aid”

  • Bob666

    Bob,

    This was one of your better works, but I have to add to it. You write the following:

    “Tea Party people — that is the original Tea Party people who are the small-business owners, veterans, blue-collar workers, white-collar workers, homemakers and retirees who form the backbone of the country”

    While I believe that statement to be correct, money and influence brought by money has infiltrated the Tea Party and has started to manipulate this group just as it has done with the Dem’s and GOP.

    Take the money out of politics and “we the People” will stand a chance for real and sincere representation by those that the WE elect.

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Bob666,

      You write: “This was one of your better works…” Thank you.

      You write: “While I believe that statement to be correct, money and influence brought by money has infiltrated the Tea Party and has started to manipulate this group just as it has done with the Dem’s and GOP.” There is no question the moneyed elites have taken over the national Tea Party movement. The local Tea Party groups I have been in contact with remain mostly pure and are aware of the efforts to hijack their efforts.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • speedle24

        I would like to know more Bob. Can you tell me what you mean by “elites” that have taken over the national Tea Party movement? Who are they, and what are their organizations?

        • TheOriginalDaveH
          • speedle24

            Well no Dave, I really can’t. “Crony Capitalism”, which is one of the prime reasons for shrinking government, is really not a characteristic of Tea Party belief. In fact, it is one of the main targets of Tea Party efforts. What I want to know is exactly who the “elites” are that have taken over the national Tea Party. I am not being a smart a-s. I want to know because this is a serious indictment. It’s like saying a communist has taken over the the Heritage Foundation.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If not the Crony Capitalists and their puppets, who else would care enough to make that effort?
            And how can you make such a statement without having read the book?
            Once you understand how the Crony Capitalists and the Politicians are intertwined, then the rest will come clear.
            That’s why both the Democrat Leaders and the Republican Leaders fight the Libertarian Party tooth and nail. The primary goal of Libertarianism is Free Markets, and Free Markets are anathema to the Crony Capitalists and their Crony Politicians.

          • speedle24

            What the hell has this got to do with the Tea Party Dave?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It has to do with the motivations and the wherewithal for those who have co-opted the Tea Party.
            You must understand why those people would want to subvert the Tea Party before you can learn who the players are. Otherwise, who would you look for?
            Now, bugger off speedle, as I am going to answer no more of your baiting questions, because it is obvious that you have no desire to learn the truth.
            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/12/tea-party-opponents-hope-infiltrate-party-dismantle/

          • speedle24

            That sounds like something Nancy Pelosi would say when she doesn’t know what the hell she is talking about. So far not you nor anyone else can answer my question. Who is “co-opting”, “infiltrating”, or otherwise undermining the basis of the Tea Party creation?
            What I hear you saying Dave is that you have a conspiracy theory that there is a conspiracy that will soon be foisted on us to take over the Tea Party, but you can’t tell me who the players are because it hasn’t happened yet. Whew!

          • Robbie

            Speedle: What you will learn is that Dave often runs at the mouth with his wild views and when asked perfectly logical questions (as you have done) he responds with insults and does not supply any answers. But keep trying if you like.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            When have you ever backed up any of your nonsense with logic or facts, Robbie?

          • Robbie

            For the most part I simply ask pointed questions of others so in a way your question to me is moot. I think I have asked a few questions of you that you refuse to answer or are unable to answer.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Robbie,

            His question is not mute. It may be moot, but I doubt it.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Good lord, man, how many women have you pestered into unwilling sex? You just can’t seem to take NO for an answer.

          • Robbie

            Just two that I can think of.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Robbie, by the Liberal standards you are almost virgin.

          • Robbie

            You are jumping to a conclusion. Read the question I was asked (and answered) slowly and carefully.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Oh, Robbie, sorry. You right. I dismissed the word “unwilling”.

            Sorry Robbie. I did not want to ‘insult’ your ego-centric
            machismo.

            But then I consider you a rapist. A Liberal RAPIST, who is proud of it.

          • Robbie

            Tough eh? It must be hell for you to have to contribute to the society that allows you so much of everything.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Robbie, what a bitterness.

            Robbie, it’s you, liberals/progressives, choose to be in hell.
            I am in paradise. And that is what irritating you, libtards. You are so miserable, that you can’t support the other people’s satisfaction/fulfillment/ contentment/ enjoyment/ happiness.

            This is who Liberals are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kvsIiC-JAQ

          • Robbie

            I did not say you lived in hell. Quite the opposite in fact. I said it must be hell for you to be contributing to society because you are the bitter one about paying taxes.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Who told you that I am paying taxes?
            I am smart enough to not support the freeloaders &
            parasites.

            I am supporting ONLY those whom I decided to support.

          • Robbie

            So you are basically like the freeloaders you despise so much. You are, in a very real way, a parasite.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Oh, really? You parasites do not support me. I do not depend on anyone. I know how to write off MY taxes.
            So swallow it, parasite, that you can’t suck me.
            So keep scratching your testicles during I am traveling and have a good time.

          • Robbie

            Everything you are has been made possible by the efforts of others presently and in the past. I suggest you read the very recent remarks by your President at Arlington cemetery regarding the sacrifice of members of the military. You can find that easily on the web. Not only have others past and present made your life possible but many have even given up their lives for you. (Good thing they didn’t know you personally!)

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            “As a dog returns to his own vomit, so a FOOL Robbie REPEATS HIS NONSENSE.” – King Solomon

            Oh Robbie, I feel sooooo ashamed by you and still blushed more than by my hot flashes.

            1) No Robbie, I do not read any LYING DIARRHEIC nonsense nor listen any LYING DIARRHEIC
            demagoguery of YOUR charlatan. He NEVER was and NEVER will be MY president.

            2) EVERYTHING I has been made possible ONLY and ONLY by MY own efforts in the past as well as in present. No one gave up his/her life for me. NO ONE!!! I did not send them to fight imaginary enemies and I did
            not enrich myself by any war nor anybody’s death.

            3) How you know “they didn’t know me personally”?

            Poor Liberal IDIOT, you tried your best and you failed miserably as ALWAYS. The lesson is, never try again because you will fail gloomily and desolately again.

            “Some people have a GIFT FOR STUPIDITY, an almost mystic ability to withstand any form of logic.” – David Gemmell

            P.S. Oh, and STOP lying that you had a business. You NEVER had any business. Parasites do not know how to work.

          • Robbie

            #1 President Obama is the President of the United States of America and as such IS your President. Actually there is nothing you can do about that unless you change your citizenship. You could come up to Canada but I think it takes 3 years or something to get citizenship. You may apply at our embassy in Washington or any of the consulates in major U.S. cities.

            #2 Yes, your own efforts and only your efforts. I had a feeling you’d come back with that myopic view. No one else ever had anything to do with your up bring or your schooling or training or anything. You grew up in a bubble and pooped out one fine day as the fine and wildly successful person that you are today!

            And I guess you discount the lives and deaths of the many soldiers – your fellow citizens – who, just as one example, defended your country against Japan in W.W. II. Nothing to do with you right?

            #3 If you knew them personally you would have
            respect for them and be thankful for their sacrifice for YOU.

            Failed? You actually would never be able to comprehend the positive effects my comments are having. Not on you, of course.

            Lying that I had a business? Really. That’s funny because I closed it down just a month ago after 31 years. My current income, by the way, comes from 5 rental properties I own and operate. But you wouldn’t believe that either I suppose.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Liberal disgraced LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

            1) The Kenyan Korrupt Kriminal is an Illegal pRESIDENT and is an Illegal occupier of the WH. He NEVER was, is and will be MY president. And yes “actually there is”
            something that I “can do about that” and I did and do (!!!). And about my citizenship(s) it’s not your business. So there will not be given “thank you” for your stupid advises.

            2) EVERYTHING I has been made possible ONLY and ONLY by MY own efforts in the past as well as in present. But with your Liberal twisted and narrow-minded view of the typical Parasite you NEVER will be able to understand that. “Schooling or training or anything” have NOTHING to do with my success and WHO I am. N O T H I N G !!!
            I grew up in my family and in VERY healthy psychological and highly intellectual environment. And I give THANKS to God, WHO blessed me with TWO remarkably exceptional
            men in my life who shaped me in what WHO I am – my FATHER and my dearest FRIEND. Unfortunately both aren’t with us anymore.

            3) Dunce, point at my disrespect for the soldiers? And what I have to be thankful for? That the Kriminal gov’t sends them to fight the imaginary enemies? To die for
            their mean and base interests?

            I express my respect to them thru my donations to the Gary Sinise Foundation.

            How you pay them your respect, Robbie?

            How much you donated to ANY foundation that supports our military men and women and their families?

            Do not try to lie, because I know that you donated zero, zip, zilch, nada!

            STOP to LIE!!! Your Fables about ‘your’ “5 rental
            properties” tell to your liberal ilk.

            I am done with you. Individuals like you give me just revolting nausea.

          • Robbie

            I won’t deal with your anger and phycological problems but the matter of Obama being your President is a simple legal matter. IF you are an American then he is, indeed, your President – democratically elected TWICE after being elected a state and a federal Senator. Now I may have made an assumption that you are an American – if, in fact, you are not an American then my comments simply do not apply. Then again you are saying that you are “doing something about it” so perhaps you are a U.S. citizen although I have no idea what you can “do about that”.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Keep yapping delusional liberal PSYCHOPATH your diarrheic deceiving fibs.

            He is not MY ‘president’ and NEVER was. He is an IMPOSTOR in the WH.

            He NEVER was elected. He was selected and brought to the WH by the progressive Kriminals.

            DUNCE, I get long ago that falsehood and Kriminality is OK with you. So keep serve your Satanic master.

            NOTHING will change your totally insane STUPIDITY!

            “You Can’t Fix Stupid. STUPID is FOREVER”– Ron White

          • Robbie

            How old are you? Your message is very juvenile. “You can’t fix stupid”. How old is that one?

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Do you need my bank account too?

            “Some people have a GIFT FOR STUPIDITY, an almost mystic ability to withstand any form of logic.” – David Gemmell

            It’s about you. So keep masturbating your STUPIDITY.

          • WTS/JAY

            What makes you think it’s women he pestered? I get the impression Robbie is a free-spirit of sorts.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t care what Robbie does with consenting adults as long as he keeps his hands out of my pockets. It’s a full time job preventing Robbie from doing that.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t care what Robbie does with consenting adults as long as he keeps his hands out of my pockets. It’s a full time job preventing Robbie from doing that.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t care what Robbie does with consenting adults as long as he keeps his hands out of my pockets. It’s a full time job preventing Robbie from doing that.

          • WTS/JAY

            No classes today, professor? Too busy running your fictitious-company, Dave?

          • Robbie

            Actually I closed down my business a month or so ago after 31 years. Anyway it likes like Speedle does not have the patience to put up with nonsense.

          • WTS/JAY

            Makes you wonder how speedle puts up with his own nonsense, doesn’t it?

          • JeffH

            Your biggest problem as I see it with you Robbie is that you are a Canadian that doesn’t have a clue about the American political scene or system. Reading about the system and how it was designed to work is one view but living within the system and watching all of the cronyism distorting the honesty and integrity of the system is a completely different thing that you seem unwilling to even attempt to entertain or believe.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m not so sure he’s really Canadian, Jeff. He referred to Congress the other day as “our” Government. Canadians don’t have a Congress.
            I think he likely belongs in this group:
            http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52923
            Although I still can’t figure out where the “warrior” description comes in with these guys, since most of them couldn’t out-debate my 13 year old Grandson.

          • JeffH

            He’s mentioned that he’s Canadian or at least left that impression on more than one occasion but…that’s just him saying it and he’s yet to deny otherwise…one is left only to assume.

          • JeffH

            He’s mentioned that he’s Canadian or at least left that impression on more than one occasion but…that’s just him saying it and he’s yet to deny otherwise…one is left only to assume.

          • WTS/JAY

            With Progressives like Robbie, we can never be sure if anything he says, or claims to be, is actually true. Keep in mind, Progressives are expert liars!

          • JeffH

            Point well taken!

          • WTS/JAY

            Hmm, forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.

          • Robbie

            Actually I know a great deal about the American system and how it operates. As an American you may very well have the impression that people outside your country don’t know anything. That would be a very foolish opinion.

          • JeffH

            Robbie says “As an American you may very well have the impression that people outside your country don’t know anything. That would be a very foolish opinion.”
            I did not say tha “people” outside of my country don’t know anything.

            This is what I did say about you Robbie: “Reading about the system and how it was designed to work is one view but living within the system and watching all of the cronyism distorting the honesty and integrity of the system is a completely different thing that you seem unwilling to even attempt to entertain or believe.”

            You just assumed that I meant everyone when I was very specific with my statement.

            And yes Robbie, you haven’t lived it so you have nothing more than your un-qualified opinion as a Canadian looking in.

            I’m just happy that you’re non-voter opinion is irrelevant because you can’t see past the smoke & mirrors of the American 2 party political system.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Oooh! Caught at your own game!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The Liberal Progressives smell blood in the water. How revealing.

          • WTS/JAY

            Interesting that you should use the word “game”, Gamer.

          • JeffH

            ROFLMAO! That’s great, the progressive “preacher” is a gamer too!

          • WTS/JAY

            Never!

          • WTS/JAY

            You’re projecting again, Robbie.

          • Robbie

            Yes, I was projecting Dave’s role here. Why is it that some people here think that instead of answering a question it’s better to hurl insults?

          • WTS/JAY

            What’s that, Robbie…did you say nothing? Why yes, i believe you did!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I never claimed to be able to name names, Speedle.
            How can you say for certain that it hasn’t been infiltrated? Can you produce any evidence or logic that backs up your belief that they haven’t?
            If you’re going to call somebody out for their claims, then I would expect you to have some pretty good information that they are wrong.

          • speedle24

            Dave, nor can I give you any proof that Obama was placed here by aliens from Uranus, although I am pretty sure he is actually from Kenya. You cannot prove a negative Dave.
            Not only can you not name names, you can’t even give me some sort of circumstantial evidence to support your claim. I consider myself a Tea Party member, and I want to know if someone or some group is throwing a monkey wrench into our efforts. If not, I don’t have time for discussing the need for tin foil hats.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I gave you “circumstantial” evidence, Speedle. You probably aren’t likely to be able to name all the Crony Capitalists who infest our Government, nor the various false flags, and other scams they have pulled either, but if you do enough reading you will know that it is rampant in Government. Our only defense against them is to recognize how they operate, because of course they aren’t going to reveal themselves or their actions voluntarily, just as Obama will not admit to being from Kenya, yet you believe that.
            Did you read the articles and book that I linked to? Did you read the articles that Bob linked to? Or is it just easier for you to be an argumentative ignoramus?

          • speedle24

            No, you didn’t give me any circumstantial evidence Dave. But don’t worry about it. My question to you regarding all this underhanded business going on in government is what are you going to do about it? What’s your political strategy other than being a barking dog in the distance?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I am doing something about it. I’m trying to educate heavily brainwashed people. Nothing can be done until that is accomplished. The pen is mightier than the sword.
            If fact, without the writings of Locke, Trenchard and Gordon, and some others, the American Revolution would never have been fought and won.

          • speedle24

            Actually if you followed the lead of John locke and Ayn Rand you wouldn’t sound like such a goofball. It’s when you go off the rails with wild conspiracy rants that people turn you off.

          • WTS/JAY

            You must not be too familiar with the philosophical and political-theories of either Locke or Rand, which are always accurately expressed in all comments submitted by DaveH, for if you did, you would not have projected your ignorance.

          • speedle24

            Well okay genius, why don’t you tell me where Locke and/or Rand suggest that the 9/11 attacks were U. S. government conspiracies, or that the Tea Party has been co-opted by crony capitalists. I will wait for your “projection” of ignorance..

          • WTS/JAY

            speedle24: Well okay genius, why don’t you tell me where Locke and/or Rand suggest that the 9/11 attacks were U. S. government conspiracies…

            Now let me define the difference between economic power and political power:

            Economic power is exercised by means of a positive, by offering men a reward, an incentive, a payment, a value;

            Political power is exercised by means of a negative, by the threat of punishment, injury, imprisonment, destruction.

            The businessman’s tool is values; the bureaucrat’s tool is fear. -Ayn Rand

          • speedle24

            Now let me define the difference between economic power and political power: economic power is exercised by means of a positive, by offering men a reward, an incentive, a payment, a value;

            Political power is exercised by means of a negative, by the threat of punishment, injury, imprisonment, destruction.

            The businessman’s tool is values; the bureaucrat’s tool is fear.”
            Uh….yeah, all true. I am still waiting for you to tell me about the government conspiracies or the Tea Party being infiltrated. I’m impressed that you believe in and can quote Rand and Locke. I am a believer as well. But you don’t understand that it has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

          • WTS/JAY

            Political power is exercised by means of a negative, by the threat of punishment, injury, imprisonment, (destruction). Read between the lines, speedle.

          • speedle24

            No, I don’t want to read between the lines. If you know what you are talking about spit it out. What in the world does any of that have to do with the subject at hand?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Accusations of being a Conspiracy Theorist — That which ignoramuses use to silence people who know more than they do.

          • speedle24

            Tell all us ignoramuses Dave what it is you know about the “real” 9-11 story. Gee, don’t you want to spread the truth?

          • WTS/JAY

            speedle24; Tell all us ignoramuses Dave what it is you know about the “real” 9-11 story.

            Funny you should use the word Ignoramus, IgnorANUS.

            The evidence showing that 911 was an inside job is overwhelming, to say the least, but i seriously doubt that you have done any serious research. However, and to your credit, you are a very inquisitive fellow, forever asking questions, yet always dismissing all answers to any of your questions. Perhaps, instead of asking questions, speedle, you should let us know what answers you wish to hear?

          • speedle24

            I’ll just let your comments speak for themselves. ZZZZZ

          • WTS/JAY

            You’re probably just too damn lazy to do your own research, speedle, or perhaps, too stupid?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            There are numerous treatments of the 9/11 event. But that is beside the issue. My point was your attempt to shut down debate by using the manipulative phrase of “Conspiracy Theorists”. Only weak-minded people need to resort to such manipulation.

          • speedle24

            Your debating skills amount to slogans, quotes and invectives, but you hang in there Dave

          • WTS/JAY

            He’s beginning to sound like Robbie; never doing any research, forever asking questions, and dismissing all answers that are presented to him.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So true. I think these people are so propagandized that they are literally afraid to learn the truth.

          • WTS/JAY

            They have been brainwashed into believing that anyone who stands for liberty and freedom is the enemy. Therefore, you, DaveH, are the ENEMY!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It is mind-numbing to imagine such purposeful ignorance. I can’t imagine, Jay, what would cause such ignorant people to embarrass themselves on a public forum.

          • WTS/JAY

            Before we can help these people, we must first see them in the proper light; they are slaves, and victims of propaganda. If we can save but a few, it will be well worth the struggle.

          • speedle24

            I understand quite well how the crony capitalists and politicians are intertwined, and believe it or not I agree with the second part of what you say as well. Although there is croney capitalist sin by both the dems and GOP, there is a difference. The GOP usually does it with the result that the public is not harmed (only the competitors of the cronies). In the case of the democrats and their politically motivated moves (Solyndra, GM, etc.) the public treasury suffers.
            Once again, the Libertarians are usually (politically) all bark and no bite, and continue to be so. Perhaps a change in strategy would be helpful.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re kidding yourself if you believe the public is not harmed by GOP Crony Capitalists, Speedle. When they meddle in overseas conflicts so the Military Industrial Complex profits, all the people who pay the tax bills, so the MIC can profit, are harmed. When they wage their useless Drug Wars so the Drug-related Crony Capitalists profit, all the rest of the taxpayers are harmed. When they wage their wars on our Freedom (NDAA, Patriot Act), all the Crony Capitalists, who profit from the surveillance equipment, etc., do so at the taxpayer’s expense.

            Speedle says — “Once again, the Libertarians are usually (politically) all bark and no bite, and continue to be so. Perhaps a change in strategy would be helpful”.
            If you’re too ignorant to grasp our ideology, Speedle, that’s not our fault.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Yes, yes we know this. But it seems that you can never admit that the crony capitalists are all around us. With you it’s always somebody else’s fault. They are Americans. It’s not their politics, it’s their lack of character. They are the greedy and the opportunists. They are the freedom lovers as long as it’s freedom to do what they please. You would like to blame a political ideology for this. I say they are in every corner. but one thing is for sure they are mostly the greedy and they are the top percentile and they buy politicians. It does seem however that when people are successful and gain wealth and power they often become crony capitalists as you call them. Like separating these kinds of capitalist excuses the capitalist and free market ideology. I think crony capitalist are just greedy successful capitalists. I venture to say that even if they start out as libertarians, human nature being what it is, they also are capable of ending up as crony capitalist. Don’t think for one second that libertarians are perfect little humans who won’t succumb.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Yes, yes we know this. But it seems that you can never admit that the crony capitalists are all around us. With you it’s always somebody else’s fault. They are Americans. It’s not their politics, it’s their lack of character. They are the greedy and the opportunists. They are the freedom lovers as long as it’s freedom to do what they please. You would like to blame a political ideology for this. I say they are in every corner. but one thing is for sure they are mostly the greedy and they are the top percentile and they buy politicians. It does seem however that when people are successful and gain wealth and power they often become crony capitalists as you call them. Like separating these kinds of capitalist excuses the capitalist and free market ideology. I think crony capitalist are just greedy successful capitalists. I venture to say that even if they start out as libertarians, human nature being what it is, they also are capable of ending up as crony capitalist. Don’t think for one second that libertarians are perfect little humans who won’t succumb.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            In Free Markets, i.e. absent Government meddling, the only way a businessman can succeed is by pleasing his consumers. How can that be bad in your twisted mind, Eric the Red?

          • Eric Bischoff

            Utopia Dave and you know it. Show me where that has ever actually happened. Here is another way of looking at the crises of capitalism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I can show you where your utopia has actually happened, Eric the Red:
            USSR, Red China, North Korea, Cuba. And it is always a failure. Why do you think it would work this time.
            And please quit blaming Capitalism for the failures of Mercantilism. Crony Capitalism is NOT Capitalism.
            It must be the greatest scam in history to subvert Free Markets with Progressivism, and then blame those Free Markets for what Progressivism has wrought.
            You have to hand it to the Leaders and their Shills. They are experts in misinformation and taking advantage of other people.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Yeah! there you go Mr Politician don’t answer the question just attack with your own lies and distortions.

            Unlike you I am not afraid of communists as I know that they cannot survive with that system, much like we cannot survive with our system. How many more bubbles can we withstand.

            The reality is you guys are afraid of Cuba. I look at them with interest. How did they create 98% literacy with no budget. We could certainly benefit from a little of that knowledge. But I understand you are too afraid to look and too proud to admit that you might have been wrong in some of your thinking. That’s not easy to swallow when one is so sure of himself as you are.

            I will ask again Mr Theory. Show me where your model has ever been implemented and then tell us if it was successful. Don’t be shy. You must know you preach from it every day.

            Give us one example of Free Market with No Govt interference and more importantly no need for govt because the free market business people were well behaved and didn’t cheat, pollute, steal, etc…

            Just one example Dave. Please! Oh Lord Mises enlighten us.

            Don’t tell us about what you hate. Tell us what you love and not in your dreams but in reality somewhere on this planet.

            While Dave is searching for that answer others might want to watch this video on what Capitalism is costing us today.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Eric the Red says — “just attack with your own lies and distortions”.
            Feel free to point them out, Eric.

            Eric the Red says — “The reality is you guys are afraid of Cuba”.
            For sure. I’m afraid that their Poverty will be ours someday.
            United States GDP per capita on a PPP basis — $50,700.
            Cuba GDP per capita on a PPP basis — $10,200.
            Good thing they’re literate so they can understand how poor they are.
            Side note — It’s interesting that Eric is trying to insinuate now that he doesn’t promote Communism.

            Eric the Red says — “Show me where your model has ever been implemented”.
            In 19th Century America where the Government was 1/8th the size it is now, and the United States became the most prosperous country in the World. And that was in spite of the fact that there was some Mercantilism after Lincoln was elected. But of course it paled in comparison to that which we have now.
            Better yet, anybody can see for themselves that the Bigger Government gets, the Smaller the Economy gets, in this ranking of countries from Smallest Governments to Biggest Governments:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

            Eric the Red says — “Give us one example of Free Market with No Govt interference and more importantly no need for govt because the free market business people were well behaved and didn’t cheat, pollute, steal, etc”.
            That’s really comical because Eric is too ignorant to realize that he just made a very good argument for Small Government. Indeed there are many people who cheat, pollute, steal, etc., and those people naturally gravitate to positions of Power where they can better take advantage of the rest of us:
            http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/beware-the-psychopath-my-son/

            Eric says — “watch this video on what Capitalism is costing us today”.
            I can’t count on all my fingers and toes how many times I’ve told Eric that we don’t have Capitalism. He even admitted as much in his sentence — “Give us one example of Free Market with No Govt interference”. Yet, even though we haven’t had anything remotely resembling Capitalism for the last hundred years, he still insists on telling us what “Capitalism is costing us”. How freakin’ ignorant can one man be?

          • Eric Bischoff

            Oh Yeah! The robber Barron era. When we committed Genocide on the American Indians and stole all of the American lands and Resources with the help of the army I may add. Is that the nice free market you are talking about?

            Is that the best you can do? Is that is your best example and only example of a free market Dave?

            Are you really going to claim this as proof to your theory?

          • WTS/JAY

            Eric, i fear you will experience a coronary if you don’t calm yourself.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            My goodness, you exceed all my expectations of your ignorance. But thanks for backing up the reality that Government is the seed of all evil. Yet, you want more of it.
            It’s no wonder you advocate the failure that is known as Communism. Too many after-concert doobies?

          • Eric Bischoff

            Do you ever stop lying?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More of your morally bereft Alinsky techniques. Give it up, Eric. Nobody here, except for the handful of Trolls, listens to you.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Gladly Dave. Your constant lie and distortion is your calling me Eric the Red and trying to tell the whole world that I love communism and love China, North Korea. You are so full of it your eyes must be brown. But go ahead keep repeating your lies over and over and people will believe you. Let’s see where did you learn that technique? The Nazis that’s where. Goebel would be proud of you.

            You ask How freakin’ Ignorant can one man be. Don’t be so hard on yourself Dave that’s my job.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you daft, man? You just got through extolling the virtues of Communist Cuba. And now you’re trying to deny that you are an advocate of Communism?
            You might fool some new-comers and the LP trolls, but the regular readers know better.

          • Eric Bischoff

            Unfortunately Being a Regular Reader Here Can Be Hazardous to Your Health.

            I realize you are having comprehension problems caused by your paranoia and irrational fear of a political system. So please read further and try and follow this.

            I am curious and interested in how Cubans living under the duress of massive irrational sanctions have managed to produce 99.8% literacy.

            Meanwhile 32 million adults in the U.S. can’t read. That’s 14 percent of the population. 21 percent of adults in the U.S. read below a 5th grade level, and 19 percent of high school graduates can’t read.

            Half of the Cuban Doctors left for Miami during the Revolution, but now they are exporting Doctors that help people all over the world. Then due to US Embargoes, they have no access to drugs. Even under these harsh conditions they have the same longevity as in the US and they only have 4.83 deaths per 1,000 live births compared with 6.0 for the United States.

            Due to no access to petro fertizers they became organic farmers and eat lots of vegratbles and they’ve increased their physical activity and reduced their caloric intake. They are slimmer and healhier. This has resulted in a drastic reduction in diabetes and cadio vascular diseases. This is like a controlled expirent happening right next door. They have made Health care a Constitutional Right. And finally France & Cuba are the only countries in the world to have fully Computerized & Networked all Health Care. Maybe they could fix the Obamacare websites

            Meanwhile we’ve become the fattest and sickest nation with the highest heathcare costs and the lowest results.

            Call he a commie all you want. Even a caveman could see that they have things to teach us. But hey go ahead Losers and keep being afraid of that little island and keep voting to harrass them.

            What’s scary is that you may have read this and due to your filters you are hearing voices in your head that say he loves and advocates communism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sorry, Eric the Red, but I could only read your first few lines of Argumentum ad Hominem before I realized that you have nothing sensible to say.

          • speedle24

            Oh yeah, I forgot. Bush and Cheney conspired to cause 9-11 in order to get money to Halliburton. “Drug related crony capitalists”??? Geez, man you are twisted. I “grasp your ideology” perfectly Dave, and that’s why you are where you are politically, right there with all the other fringe groups. I will prefer to stay “ignorant”.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ignorance is bliss. You must be very blissful, Speedle. That’s fine though as long as you don’t Force your way on me.
            For those people who would like to know what’s going on:
            http://2012patriot.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/new-libyan-gold-dinar/

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Argggh. You’re being repetitive. I got it the first time you said it.
            I think I see what the problem is — your reading comprehension. Neither me nor Bob said that Crony Capitalism is a characteristic of the Tea Party beliefs. We are talking about Crony Capitalists or their Political Cronies infiltrating and subverting Tea Party politics. You surely know that the Republicans have co-opted the movement for their own benefit. And of course they aren’t going to stand up and identify themselves. You need to read the book I linked to for the names of the Crony Capitalist players and then do your own research if you’re that curious.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston
          • speedle24

            Bob, I understand where you are coming from, and I have wondered about the Kibbe/Armey split. All the examples you cited were mostly about funding and survival, and (if you want to be overly dramatic) making deals with the devil.
            But I submit that much of this is inevitable because the vast majority of Tea Party supporters are middle class individuals that cannot afford to be sending thousands of dollars to a political action group. So they (TPs) go after conservative big money in the form of the Koch brothers, etc. in order to keep it going. Not every Tea Party supporter is of the same mind on ancillary issues such as abortion rights, the immigration debate, gay marriage and so on. And yes, sometimes big money republicans have different interests in these areas as well. Does that mean we should not accept their money? I have not noticed any difference in the message the Tea Party leaders are espousing now vs. 5 years ago, so where are we hurt?
            Maybe I am dilusional, but I have noticed that the Left’s political success revolves around their ability to keep all those diverse special interest groups, oddballs, and malcontents under the same tent pulling in the same general direction. Does anyone really think that the black community relates to the Latino community, or that either support the gay community? What about the eco nuts and the entitlement groups? Are they compatible? Do the feminist groups get along with anyone? The answer is obviously no, but the “progressives” have figured out how to unite them all for the sole purpose of holding the conservatives and libertarians down.
            Are we so self satisfied and egotistical that we cannot unite everyone under the cause of adherence to the Constitution and fiscal sanity? Who among us at this end of the spectrum would argue about either of these goals? But no, somehow we drill down to the details to find out where we ultimately differ (religion, foreign policy, the federal reserve, immigration reform), and then we beat each other over the head while the Obama gangsters and media cohorts laugh their butts off as they stick it to us. When will we figure this out?
            In the words of Casey Stengal, “Can’t anyone here play this game?”

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear speedle24,

            You write; “Does that mean we should not accept their money?” Who is “we?”

            You write: “the Left’s political success revolves around their ability to keep all those diverse special interest groups, oddballs, and malcontents under the same tent pulling in the same general direction.” That’s because all of those groups are collectivists who worship the state. That is their commonality.

            You write: “Are we so self satisfied and egotistical that we cannot unite everyone under the cause of adherence to the Constitution and fiscal sanity?” The George Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, etc., versions of “conservative” are not interested in the Constitution.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear speedle24,

            You write; “Does that mean we should not accept their money?” Who is “we?”

            You write: “the Left’s political success revolves around their ability to keep all those diverse special interest groups, oddballs, and malcontents under the same tent pulling in the same general direction.” That’s because all of those groups are collectivists who worship the state. That is their commonality.

            You write: “Are we so self satisfied and egotistical that we cannot unite everyone under the cause of adherence to the Constitution and fiscal sanity?” The George Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, etc., versions of “conservative” are not interested in the Constitution.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

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          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear LINDITA,

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            Best wishes,
            Bob

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          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

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            Best wishes,
            Bob

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          • speedle24

            Bob, “We” are the Tea Party groups. If “worship of the state” is the unifying ideology of the left, then worship of freedom is the unifying ideology of everyone else. I think there are still more of the latter than the former if we can coalesce.
            With regard to GWB and Gingrich I think you are wrong. I’m not sure why you even cite Romney, but any of those as President would be a helluva lot better than what we have.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear speedle24,

            You write: “With regard to GWB and Gingrich I think you are wrong.” In what way?

            You write: “I’m not sure why you even cite Romney…” You may recall he was the GOP choice for president in the last election.

            You write: “…but any of those as President would be a helluva lot better than what we have.” In some ways possibly, in others not so much.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • speedle24

            If we are discussing respect for and adherence to the Constitution I see no problem with those three. I don’t think poor John McCain has the capacity to understand
            the constitutional issues. Santorum?..who cares? Sure, Bush overspent and sold out in some respects, and Newt is too much a technocrat, but I believe they both have the proper base beliefs. That’s my opinion anyway.
            The real constitutionalist is Ted Cruz. He understands the importance of using the Constitution as our guiding principle, not as a convenient tool for political expediency. Either he needs to be the nominee or greatly influence whomever it may be.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear speedle24,

            You write: “Sure, Bush overspent and sold out in some respects, and Newt is too much a technocrat, but I believe they both have the proper base beliefs.” So you are content with Constitutional infringements by politicians if they have “base beliefs?”

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • speedle24

            That depends upon what you mean by “constittutional infringements”. I don’t know of any that GWB committed. I assume you are going to get into the Iraq war, and we will have to agree to disagree on that.. But otherwise I don’t know what you mean.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear speedle24,

            You write: “That depends upon what you mean by “constittutional infringements”. I don’t know of any that GWB committed.” Lying us into the Iraq war. Suspending habeas corpus. http://personalliberty.com/2009/03/30/habeas-corpus-revived-will-it-survive/ The USA Patriot Act. Federal intrusion into the education system (NCLB), Medicare drug law, beginning of drone assassination program, supporting continuation of the assault weapons ban http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/us/irking-nra-bush-supports-the-ban-on-assault-weapons.html… I could go on.

            As for Gingrich… well:
            http://personalliberty.com/2011/12/08/no-newt-is-good-newt/
            http://personalliberty.com/2011/12/07/newt-is-no-rino/

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Sarah417

            I have looked at the seven links that you posted. Is there anyone that we can trust?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            NO. That’s why we need to get Government out of our marketplaces so they don’t have the wherewithal to give their Crony Capitalists special privileges.
            With Free Markets, the consumers are king. If the companies don’t please their consumers they go out of business. Period.

          • Sarah417

            We need to elect someone to be President. Who can we trust? There is no way I’ll vote for Christie, Hillary, Elizabeth Warren. Who then. There must be someone you can name. I have for a long time liked Scott Walker.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I only vote Libertarian. They field the only candidates who strive consistently to shrink Government. I would love to have Ron Paul, but alas he’s too old now. So my second best choice is Gary Johnson:
            http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/
            There are some Republicans who talk a good show, but it has been my experience that talk is all they ever do once elected. Even Reagan, who railed constantly against Big Government, failed to deliver.

          • Sarah417

            Seriously. We need to elect someone and Gary Johnson is out of the realm of reality.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            He certainly will be if everybody does as you do.
            Hopefully people will quit wasting their votes on Democrats and Republicans eventually.
            If you wanted to be a great swimmer, Sarah, could you accomplish that without first trying and failing?

          • Sarah417

            Well, I was hoping for a third party. We need a bold charismatic principled constitutional conservative to lead us but I don’t know anyone who fits that description.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And that in a nutshell tells us what the problem is — too many people voting for “charisma” and not enough voting for substance. The truth of the matter is, Sarah, that no man knows what’s best for 315 million people. That decision is best left in each individual’s hands. The best politician, that we could hope for, would say that he doesn’t have the slightest clue what’s best for you, so you need to take care of yourself.
            It’s time to quit voting for the smooth-talking liars who will tell you different.

          • WTS/JAY

            Wisconsin governor Scott Walker is a member of the Bush-Walker banking family…

            http://voicesnewspaper.blogspot.ca/2013/01/the-bert-walker-clan-follow-money.html

          • Sarah417

            I have read this already and yeah he’s related to the Bushes but you can’t dispute all the good that he has done for Wisconsin. His record is outstanding. We have to trust someone.

          • WTS/JAY

            Can you name some of the “good” that he has done for Wisconsin?

          • Sarah417

            Sure. He lowered taxes and gained a surplus. He went up against the unions and won. He was the second man in history to win over a recall. He refused state exchanges.

            Pew rated only 11 states as “solid performers” for managing pension obligations. Only Wisc. had fully funded state employee pension plans.

          • Sarah417

            Sure. He lowered taxes and gained a surplus. He went up against the unions and won. He was the second man in history to win over a recall. He refused state exchanges.

            Pew rated only 11 states as “solid performers” for managing pension obligations. Only Wisc. had fully funded state employee pension plans.

          • WTS/JAY

            Sarah417: Sure. He lowered taxes and gained a surplus.

            Rumours have it that he fudged the books.

            Sara417: He went up against the unions and won.

            What, exactly, did he win?

            Sarah417: He was the second man in history to win over a recall.

            The recall was a gift to him in that it put him in touch with the big funders in the Republican Party. Keep in mind, the governor amassed a $30 million war chest, courtesy of the Koch brothers.

            Sarah417: He refused state exchanges.

            For now. But that would sure make him look good should he decide to run as Republican presidential candidate in 2016?

            Sarah417: Pew rated only 11 states as “solid performers” for managing pension obligations. Only Wisc. had fully funded state employee pension plans.

            On the other hand, Wisconsin’s overall tax burden is very high, as are individual income and property taxes. State spending and debt are roughly average. However, its benefit payments are quite high, as is its level of transportation spending. Moreover, Wisconsin government employment is quite large relative to the private workforce.

          • Motov

            I’ll never forget the screw job Tyson did to an independent meat packing facility in Jefferson (WI) Known as Doskisil, It was a profitable food processing plant, where employees were paid well. Tyson bought ’em out then slashed wages, hired ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, (Had to emphasize that newly “PC” word) I can bet the standards of that plant dropped, To this day I continue to embargo all of their products,

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Sarah417,

            You write: ” Is there anyone that we can trust?” On the national stage, maybe one or two. Locally, you will have to determine who those are by proper research. As always; follow the money… or look at who the establishment is opposing.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Sarah417

            Mr. Livingston I admire your writes and articles greatly and am awed that you would answer my little request. However, as with most journalists they simply will not name names and state positions. Why?

            Several years ago a relative told me that there were Communists in the WH. That blew me away. I had never heard that. I didn’t believe him until I started searching.

            I know that the GOP is buried. All the constitutional Conservatives have to do is throw dirt on top of them, but Constitutional Conservatives would make much more progress if they would just call a spade a spade. Tell it like it is. Call those out who are Communists. Why has it taken 60yrs to tell the American people there were Marxists infiltrating our gov? We wouldn’t have gotten to this point if they had.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Sarah417,

            You write: “However, as with most journalists they simply will not name names and state positions. Why?” I do from time to time name those who fight for liberty on the national level. Here are four: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/john-boehner-committees_n_2238062.html

            I do not follow most state politics well enough to name names there.

            You write: “Call those out who are Communists.” I do have been since 1969 with my newsletter (available here http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/) and on this site since 2008.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Sarah417

            I read. Thank you. Have a nice evening.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston
      • JeffH

        Thank you Bob!
        Several of us have been making that distinction for a few years now! There is the “grassroots” movement which I participate in and support and then tthe “national” movement which I am very picky to choose which group whose ideas I may support but not monetarily.

  • 1Reddevil

    I have been saying that for a long time. The real losers are the middle class. People who donate time and money are gaining nothing. Once the junior Congress and Senators get to DC they are told the way things are going to be.

    • CommonSense4America

      Thankfully a few of the new upstarts didn’t get the memo. Only time will tell, but just to name a few. Jindal, Lee, Paul, West, Palin, Cruz and Gowdy are some to come to mind at this time.
      We need a third Party.

      • 1Reddevil

        You are right. But it is pathetic when we only have 7 names.The country is in deep trouble.

      • LINDITA

        AS PEOPLE, WE NEED OPPOSITE DUE TO, WE HAVE JUST A NIB’S PARTY FULL WITH TRIBE ROOT IN PREDATORY TRIBE GREEK. LA,LA,LA….

        • CommonSense4America

          If we are going to speak in tongue then we are going to need an interpreter.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            You do not understand the Liberal tongue yet?
            They are children of Aphrodite – the pagan goddess of love, desire and pleasure, who was married to the pagan god Hephaestus. But she had numerous lovers. So they are not sure who their father is.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        We have a third party and it’s the only Political Party that really understands the concepts of Freedom.
        Human beings have a natural (or God-given) right to control their own bodies and their own property. No other man has a right to assume that control without their permission. That is Freedom. Anything else is meaningless.
        With that natural right comes the right to trade their property with other humans in voluntary transactions without Government Intervention. Government’s only legitimate role is to protect Free people from the Force of others.
        There is only one Political Party that champions Freedom — The Libertarian Party. For Free Markets, Personal Responsibility, Limited Government, Individual Liberty, and the PEACE which comes from those:
        http://www.lp.org/
        http://www.lp.org/platform

        • CommonSense4America

          Look at the Constitution Party.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I have. They don’t advocate Freedom like the Libertarian Party does.

  • Muffin Man Mashinksy

    Both parties stink & have sold us down the river, but to me it is a matter of degree…THE LOONY TUNES LIBS stink far more & there is NO CHNANCE,…ZIPPO of this train wreck being turned around or slowed down with them in charge…they are also deeply anti-life & support & promote a culture of depravity straight from The Pits of Hell!

    • Vis Fac

      Which is precisely why this country is headed straight to hell

      A liberal is a power worshiper without power. So much of left wing thought is playing with fire by people who don’t know that fire is hot!!

      The Socialist the Liberal and the Communist are alike in assuming that an opponent cannot be both honest and intelligent.

      To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • LINDITA

    AS A SIMPLE PEOPLE, WE SEE “THERE’S HOPE”. WE BELIEVE TO GIVE OUR DONATION PATRIOT RELIABLE HONEST BUSH-CHENEY FAMILIES. AMEN!

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      Did not you get your “HOPE” yet?

      • LINDITA

        NO COMMENT!

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          Of cause not!
          You are happy with your “HOPE”, even it’s a PHONY hope.

          • JeffH

            Alondra, probably much happier with the $change$ than the hope.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, WE BELIEVE ALSO VOTERS FRAUD WOULD STOPPED WHEN PATRIOT HONEST COMPETENT DICK CHENEY WILL LEAD A REPUBLICAN PARTY. AMEN!

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    The “faux” Libertarian did not cost Cuccinelli the race:
    http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/29/no-sarvis-isnt-costing-cuccinelli-the-vi

    • gelliott

      He didn’t help though, did he? Another example of the “right” working against each other, and throwing the race to the professed leftist.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        The simple solution, Gelliot, is for the Republican Party to get out of the way so that the true Freedom Lovers can win.
        The only way we will ever get smaller Government is to vote for people who will actually work towards that goal. The Republicans give that goal lip-service, but never actually do anything to accomplish it.
        If you want to drive to a destination North of you, Gelliot, surely you wouldn’t head east, west, or south?

        • gelliott

          No, of course not. However, I might be willing to drive Northeast or Northwest if I knew the option would be to go in a Southerly direction.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Then you’ll be driving a long time and never reaching your goal. Hey, that’s just like voting for Republicans and hoping for Smaller Government.

          • gelliott

            Yes, I might never reach my goal exactly, but at least I’ll be moving “North”. Otherwise, I’ll be dragged “South” by the other guy, and I know I don’t want to go that way.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Moving North does no good if you miss your target. Remember “close only counts in horseshoes”.

          • gelliott

            I’m getting the impression you might be willing to surrender rather than compromise.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m getting the impression that you are a Shill for the NeoConservative side of the Progressive Coin.

          • gelliott

            Actually, I’m more like a Tea Party Conservative that’s tired of losing elections to Communists.

          • gelliott

            DaveH,

            Sorry if my previous comment offended you. I didn’t mean it to be offensive.

  • tony newbill

    When the Populist Politics runs a ground and the Cash from a Private sector economy stops flowing thats feeding the wins for Populist Politicians collapse of a Free People free to provide themselves a Living and supply itself ends.

    In a Real World Economic system Populism never works it always leads to a form of dictatorship aslways has always will .

    Free Market means that rules or set up for Individual prosperity
    with fair competition in all aspects , from durable production trade to
    currency trade , and when Populists allow what would be termed ” Elites ”
    to side step a set of rules that allows them a Leg up on the
    Competition , and then try to appear to be the politician that will save
    the People from these evil elitists then we the people must come to
    realize that we are being duped by ideology and vote out the Ideologues
    before economic collapse happens and dictatorship evolves !!!!!!

    Populism is like a Drug that addictive , as it hypnotizes the people
    with Oppressive tactics like controlling the means to Live while saying
    its those evil elites that are doing it , but these elites and
    politicians go to dinner together , party together , fly around the
    world over our heads together , why do we the people not see we are
    being played for FOOLS ?????????

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

    “A
    democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
    permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up
    until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves
    generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the
    majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits
    from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will
    finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by
    a dictatorship.”
    Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/fall-american-republic/#BEF0DJjqurmWAEym.99

  • Robbie

    No difference between the G.O.P. and the Democrats? Are you kidding? I think they have different views on many things and health care is one of them for sure.

    • JeffH

      Robbie says “No difference between the G.O.P. and the Democrats? Are you kidding? I think they have different views on many things and health care is one of them for sure.”

      Robbie, did you even bother to read the article, much less try to comprehend the message from Bob?
      Cognitive dissonance?

      “Most people who are aware of politics on at least a basic level remain trapped in a false left/right paradigm.”…or Democrat/Republican…

      “It does not matter which Party is in control of the government at any given time. Regardless of whether the President and/or Congress is led by the “R” people or the “D” people, money debasement continues unabated, wars are started or expanded, regulations increase, the dependent class grows and government becomes more overbearing and more totalitarian.”

      • Robbie

        The main thought in the article was that THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE between the Dems. and the G.O.P. But there are many differences with health care being one of them. That’s the fact of the matter.

        • JeffH

          Robbie, just admit that the whole premise of Bob’s commentary went straight over your head! You’re still wallowing in the D – R paradigm!
          whoosh!

          • Robbie

            Perhaps you should reread the article. The article clearly said that any notion that there is a difference between the G.O.P. and the Dems. is “pure fantasy”. I disagreed with that. There is a clear difference between the two parties: health care, minimum wage, immigration reform etc.

          • JeffH

            You did disagree, but because you are just “stuck” in the whole Democrat Republican paradigm and you’re stuck in the fantasy that they are different.

            You say “health care”, I say despite the lip service of the GOP we still have the Democrat’s healthcare which, had it really been a serious issue with the GOP, they would have fought tooth and nail to defeat it rather than just putting on a theater show for the cameras.

            You say Immigration reform, I say despite the lip service of the GOP, the republicans and the democrats are not too far apart.
            http://www.immigrationvisaus.com/blog/immigration-reform-democrats-vs-republicans/

          • Robbie

            Well I guess if you consider the full spectrum of possible political parties the two main ones that you have in the states are relatively close. But they are still different and regarding the health care law I’m not sure how much more of a fight the G.O.P. could have put up. Didn’t they mount a repeal vote 30 or 40 times? Haven’t they been screaming about it for years now? Fact is they don’t have the votes. They lose in the House and Senate every time and in Virginia a week or so ago the main issue in the race for Governor was health care and Democrat won.

          • JeffH

            Robbie, I guess I should have explained it in a more simple way.

            Think of it as two thieves stealing from you. One holds a gun to your head, the other picks your pocket…both end up with your wallet. Two different methods of theft, but never the less it is still theft.

            On the surface both parties want to appear different…they depend on the unassuming citizen and voter to see it that way. Underneath, both parties are bereft of honest constitutional supporting representatives honoring their oath of office “to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States”. That means the Constitution, America and the American people.

            America was founded and created under a specific set of principles as defined by The Declaration of Independence, The Bill of Rights and the Constitution for the United States of America.

            The two party system governing our great nation disrespects our founding principles and constantly violate their oath of office by violating the supreme law of the land, the Constitution.

            You being a Canadian may not see that, agree with that or understand that while I, being a natural born American citizen, have opened my eyes to see it clearly in action every day… first hand.

          • gelliott

            Yes, yes. Both parties are similar and we are drifting or even surging (especially lately) toward the inevitable “cliff”. So what do you think we ought to do about it if not support the party that most closely, even if not close enough for our taste, parallels our political philosophies to try to change the system like we want it to be? There is no 3rd party that can get this done in the real world we live in today, and not voting won’t either. What’s the other “realistic” option? My thinking is that we on the “right” need to suck it up and try to find reasons to work together like those on the left are doing if we want to have a voice in the political system in the future. Right now, we look more like a circular firing squad, more interested in finding reasons we can’t work together. Face it, the Democrats just love it when we act like this. A majority of American citizens are self professed conservatives, but we can’t win elections because we can’t work together. Shameful.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If we vote for the lesser of two evils, we still get evil, lesser or not.
            There is only one way to shrink Government, and that is to vote for those who promise to shrink it.
            To do otherwise would be like buying a lighter car so you can achieve your dream of flying.

          • gelliott

            Ultimately, I agree. That is, in the long run we must vote for candidates who will “actually” reduce the federal budget, not just talk about it. Until then, what can we do? We certainly don’t have enough votes today to get candidates like that elected in any major way. I think we’ve got to start with candidates who profess to the notion that reducing federal spending is a good thing, then push them to follow through on their promise. Otherwise, we’ll get candidates who openly and actively promote greater and greater federal spending and takeover of the economy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can start by quitting rubber-stamping the candidates that the Establishment Republicans present to you. Don’t vote for them.
            Even better, spend some time learning and understanding the concepts of Freedom. Here’s a good place to start:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

          • rbrooks

            you might try a bit different tact if you ever hope to win anyone over to your side.

            then again, it would not be the same miniscule party if you did that.

          • WTS/JAY

            What would you suggest, rbrooks? What strategy would you implement to turn things around? Any thoughts?

          • rbrooks

            i just love your current methods. labels, insinuations, innuendos, propaganda, etc., you guys do a better job of alienating yourselves than anyone else ever could.

            keep up the good work.

            and keep wondering why you are not winning.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            rbrooks attempts to manipulate Jay. But as in every other action he takes, it is a weak one.

          • rbrooks

            what is there to manipulate? the posts speak for themselves.

          • WTS/JAY

            Yes, they do indeed! What exactly are they saying, btw?

          • WTS/JAY

            Soooo, what would you suggest, rbrooks? What strategy would you implement to turn things around? Any thoughts?

          • rbrooks

            why would i suggest any actions other than the ones you follow. they are working so well for you.

          • WTS/JAY

            Humor me.

          • rbrooks

            the humor is reading the posts of the faithful few. including yours.

            or do you really believe that the vitriolic propaganda is going to win enough supporters to make a change???

            where are you going to garner this support? or have you given that any thought.

            you guys hate anyone that has a different view than yours.

            what does that leave you?

            a handful whom will vote alike.

            and you still wonder why you are not winning.

            don’t you want to draw voters?

            just what is your end goal.

          • WTS/JAY

            So, another words, you have no ideas, no thoughts and no strategy to turn things around…am i correct?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            After our economy collapses, even the heavily brainwashed will be looking for a smarter way. When they do, we will be here.

          • JeffH

            More stupid advice from the ignorant progressive that decided he knows what’s best for Bob Livingston too…just shut up for once you moron!
            You ought to try a different blog ’cause you’re a liar and have no credibility whatsoever around here…but then again, others here wouldn’t be able to see just how ignorant you progressives are.

          • rbrooks

            another winning post.

            how can anyone resist joining this group.

          • JeffH

            Absolutley…as opposed to your cagey advice anything else would seem like a winner!

          • gelliott

            I believe that I could be the most principled and knowledgeable Constitutionalist there is and still not achieve my political objectives because I was’t willing to be flexible and work with others who share similar objectives.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why do you have to work with others who want to subjugate you? There is nothing “flexible” about letting other people take advantage of you. It’s more appropriately called “wimpy”.

          • gelliott

            Because it’s your best option to get where you want to go. The USA didn’t like the USSR before WWII, but they worked with them to defeat Germany because at that time Germany was more of a threat to the USA than the USSR, and visa versa. Sometimes you dance with the devil to get what you want. It’s never fun, but sometimes useful.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Actually, FDR liked “Uncle Joe”, and he did his best to appease Uncle Joe so that FDR could get his much-sought-after United Nations. That is why after fighting a World War II, ostensibly to Free people from Hitler, FDR callously turned those people over to another tyrant.
            The real world is not as you’ve been taught, Gelliot.
            Read this:
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/While%20You%20Slept.pdf
            and this:
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/As%20We%20Go%20Marching.pdf
            and this:
            http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/The%20Roosevelt%20Myth.pdf

          • JeffH

            gelliot, I’m not sure what, if anything, short of a “revolution” against government tyranny can be done. I think that arresting and removing the treasonous bastards and tossing them all in jail to be tried by the “peoples court” for intentionally usurping the Constitution and their “oath” would be a start. I’m not suggesting a violent revolution but I’m realistic that those in power wouldn’t just stick their arms out for the handcuffs or go without a fight either. I don’t have the ultimate answers.

            Neither party is remotely interested in returning America back to a Constitutional Republic. It will take people a lot smarter than me to figure it out and organize the action. In other words, I just don’t believe the system can be fixed, at least in my lifetime(I’m 64)…the progressive disease is just too deep to be repaired. It needs to be removed and restarted as Constitutional Republic.

            All voting does is keep the progressive ball rolling…it changes nothing, the government cronies like it that way, the central banks and world banks like it that way.
            America and the world has become a haven for theft and where government is concerned, you’re either part of the club and on board with them or your not and sent packing…or even assassinated.

            ” Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.” – Mayer Amschel Rothschild

          • gelliott

            JeffH,

            I don’t really disagree with you. It’s really only a question of how best to reform the system in my mind. I still think the best way is within the system. Revolution scares me because that’s exactly what the Communists have been shooting for. They think they can take over, and I’m not sure they’re wrong if it comes to that. They’ve done a good job of gradually converting the population with the help of the MSM, etc. We have not done a good job, and that’s really at the root of our problem. BTW, I’m 66.

          • JeffH

            We’re on common ground. Revolution should scare every one but there may come a time when one must choose freedom over despotism.

          • gelliott

            If it comes to that, I’ll be right there with you. I’d rather do my fighting at the polls, however.

          • gelliott

            If it comes to that, I’ll be right there with you. I’d rather do my fighting at the polls, however.

          • Robbie

            Pretty accurate evaluation. The other problem in recent years is that there never seems to be a G.O.P. leader with any national stature or backbone. You seem do get candidates who play to a very narrow base and they certainly are reluctant to ever state a firm position on anything. Take Mitt for example: his message – such as it was – seemed to change with the winds on any given day. He could never come out and simply state any kind of detailed policy plan. He was for jobs and the flag of course but totally wishy washy. McCain was also weak and, of course, had a dope as a running mate. They certainly have to find a strong leader with convictions and a track record and more than just being negative about the other candidate.

          • WTS/JAY

            Your accurate critique of the GOP could be equally applied to the Dem’s and the current potus.

          • independent thinker

            The democrats and republicans are quite different……………..One screws you over with lubricant and the other does it dry.

          • JeffH

            LMAO at that one! Funny but accurate.

          • WTS/JAY

            Yes, but which one does it with lubricant, and do they make you pay for the lubricant before they screw you?

          • JeffH

            LOL! You always pay!

          • Robbie

            Third parties have tried to win national elections in the U.S. but do not do well. Here in Canada we always have at least 3 main parties running and sometimes more than that. Israel and some European nations have umpteen parties and that often results in problems also when no party is able to win enough seats to be effective. What’s your solution to the 2 party system the U.S.? I can tell you that in our municipal government here there are no official parties although once elected like minded members do band together based on shared policies.

          • WTS/JAY

            Neither party looses when either party looses. Think about it…political parties were invented in the 1790’s and the similarities lie within the dominant parties that have remained the same all those years. The two dominant parties are the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Furthermore, the two parties since 1852 have been on the fore front of every US presidential election.

            The two-party system is in essence a “Duopoly’…two sides of the same coin. The appearance of differences in philosophies between the two parties is manufactured; it creates the illusion of struggle between the force of good, Democratic-party, and the force of evil, Republican-party. Yet, it is always the same two parties that are always sharing in power, propping each other up through a staged display of there being conflict, or disagreement(s) between the two. Elections come and go, people vote for one or the other and nothing changes. Actually, things get worse…rights disappear and neither party fights to advance individual liberty.

          • Robert Messmer

            Yes they did in the House of Representatives when they knew it would not, could not go anywhere because the Senate is controlled by Democrats. Perhaps you noticed that the GOP fought against Ted Cruz? If there is a difference name the last time EITHER party eliminated a government agency. I mean actually did away with it, not simply re-name or merge into another.

          • JeffH

            RM, now don’t confuse him with facts and questions.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Robbie says — “Fact is they don’t have the votes. They lose in the House and Senate every time”.
            No, Robbie, they haven’t lost in the House every time.
            In fact, I can’t recall a single attempt to repeal Obamacare in the House of Representatives which failed to pass the House.
            Here’s one in 2013:
            http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll154.xml
            Here’s another in 2013:
            http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll447.xml

            The Senate blocks the repeal everytime, and even if they didn’t, Obama would veto it of course.
            We need to do something about the former problem next year.

          • Robbie

            The recent Virginia vote suggests defeat next year for the hard right.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Poor Robbie. Desperately trying to win something.

          • Robbie

            Mark your words.

          • WTS/JAY

            The problem, he has no idea what that would be.

        • WTS/JAY

          Robbie: But there are many differences with health care being one of them.

          Let me get this straight . . .

          We’re going to be “gifted” with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don’t! Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that didn’t read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, for which we’ll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese , and financed by a country that’s broke!!!!!

          ‘What the hell could possibly go wrong?’

          12 Incredible Obamacare Quotes That Show That Our Wretched Healthcare System Is Headed Directly Into The Toilet…

          http://www.prisonplanet.com/12-incredible-obamacare-quotes-that-show-that-our-wretched-healthcare-system-is-headed-directly-into-the-toilet.html

          • Robbie

            O.K. keep calm. No need to give your views on medical insurance. I merely pointed out that I thought there were, indeed, differences between your two main political parties. I gave health care just as an example and I think I’m correct. I think that generally Democrats favour universal health care and that generally Republicans do not favour it. That’s a difference.

          • WTS/JAY

            Robbie: I think that generally democrats favour universal health care and that generally Republicans do not favour it. That’s a difference.

            There is no difference between the two parties, in that, both, generally favour universal-theft. The methods each one employs to accomplish that, is the only, difference between the two.

          • Robbie

            So you are against taxation?

          • WTS/JAY

            So you are against choice?

          • Robbie

            I’ll take that as a “yes”. You are against taxation.

          • WTS/JAY

            I’ll take that as a “yes”. You are against choice.

          • Robbie

            Of course I’m not against choice. I like choice. In fact I am in a position to make the most wonderful choices I could ever imagine as regards travel, family, my living spaces, investments, and friendships. Choice is great. But that does not mean I am against contributing to the society that allows me so much freedom, safety, health care, and justice. I gladly pay taxes because I not only benefit when they are used but I know that others who make my life possible are benefiting as well. Could I use the extra thousands of dollars? Well sure, but then how would my society function as well as it does? Who would pay the myriad of folks that make my city and my country operate as well as they do? Is the system perfect? No. But’s it’s better than most places on earth and I’ve seen a lot of those places first hand. No man is an island and I know that my success rests on the shoulders of many others. I am but one piece of an interdependent country and world.

          • WTS/JAY

            So you support a system of social organization in which the means of production and distribution of goods are owned and controlled collectively or by the government? Why am i not surprised? You have learned Marxists talking points very well, comrade. Sorry, but i’m not buying your swill!

          • Robbie

            Wow, did I say all that? Jeepers! You sure do know how to take giant leaps whilst jumping to conclusions.

            Maybe try reading what I wrote over again, but slowly this time. Take it all in like a fine wine. Try to appreciate the fact that you are not all alone in your country and on the planet. There are other people around and many of them are very useful to you. Like teachers and fire fighters and hospital staff and police and mountain rescue squads and military personnel and street cleaners et all.

            But I know your type very well. I have a son-in-law in New York state who, like you, resents giving up even a freakin’ penny to anyone else for any reason. After a long “discussion” about Canada’s universal health care system he finally admitted the following, and I quote; “I don’t give a flying (you know what) about anyone else.” I’m not sure if that included his wife and four children. Maybe they have to fend for themselves as well if they ever get sick or get into a car wreck!!!

            Anyhow I’m kind of glad that you are forced to contribute to society. It may make you just a touch less selfish and egocentric and the type who thinks he did it all on his own.

    • LINDITA

      AS PEOPLE, G.O.P HAS A DIFFERENT VIEWS ON MANY THINGS FROM THE DEMOCRATS BUT, THEIR WORDS ARE WEAK, MORE WEAK THAN HARRY REID. SO, IF GOP WANTS TO HEAR PEOPLE’S VOICE AND TO BE A DIFFERENCE WITH DEMOCRATS, THEY NEED TO LOOK FOR HELP TO PATRIOT BUSH-CHENEY FAMILY. WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO SEE BOTH OF THEM TO LEAD REPUBLICANS AND US TO GET AMERICA BACK. AMEN!

  • ted

    I noticed in the listings that all 4 network shows had him as a guest, not that I would watch that tub of crap. He appointed a republican senator that voted for amnesty. That’s enough to disqualify him in my book.

  • TheSilverRanger

    George Carlin said it best when it comes to ANY politician: “Garbage in, garbage out.”

  • Eric Bischoff

    Good discussion Bob,

    The fact that Bonzo Reagan, a B movie actor could become President and still today hold the wool over people’s eyes is testament to the force of money, marketing and media.

    I will add an important distinction. Politicians mostly get elected by big corporate money and they work for that big money only.

    Some government programs get cut. Unfortunately they are almost always programs for the poor or things that benefit the environment. God forbid we should ever cut programs for the wealthy or for the military industrial complex, the prison industrial complex or the carbon industry.

    Let’s not forget that the Tea Party would never have gotten off the ground without the Billionaire Koch Brothers. Tea Partiers may mean well, some of them anyways, but they are confused and they are being used by the Koch Conservative Billionaires who only care about abolishing regulations that stand in the way of their making more profits by being allowed to polllute as much as they can in order to profit from oil, coal and gas. No families’ wealth should ever hold that much power and control over our government. Just look at what they’re doing through ALEC.

    Denigrating language is also used by the Tea Party people, the liberatrians and the conservatives against the Progressives. I should know as I am always on the receiving end. And yes I do lose my temper and fight back.

    Unilke today’s Tea Party, the original Tea Party Rebelion was against special tax privileges and monopolies of Multinational Corporations.

    Most people in those days had read and obviously understood Thomas Paine’s Common Sense. Something people today should read and reread. As far as I am concerned he was the founding father. We all know why he fell from grace we’re just not honest enough to admit it. And it was downhill from there.

    We could have had Thomas Paine’s vision but we ended up with a mediocre version of it. Just like we could have had a Single Payer Medicare for all option but instead we have the ridiculous Heritage/Romney/Obama care

    Too many people today are functionally illiterate and have serious comprehension problems. Marketing knows that you need to talk to them at an average 6 year old level.

    You guys always accuse me of dreaming about Utopia. Aren’t you also living in Utopia. What’s the likeliness of a pure Free Market Ideoology ever working? As long as we have greedy, liars, thieves and murderers I don’t think it’s possible it will never happen.

    The only way to make progress is for the right and the left to put aside their hate for each other and find common ground. We need to compromise and reenlist the non-voters. Unfortunately many here are just salivating over a bloody revolution where they can use their guns. Just like they are salivating over the potential end of the world due to global warming.

    None of this means that we can’t change. There’s always an alternative.

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Eric Bischoff,

      You write: “Good discussion Bob…” Thank you.

      You write: “Let’s not forget that the Tea Party would never have gotten off the ground without the Billionaire Koch Brothers.” This is simply not true. The Kochs had nothing to do with the grassroots Tea Party groups that began the movement. The origins of the Tea Party go to Ron Paul. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/02/27/120227fa_fact_sanneh

      Then Rick Santelli started the movement against the bailouts. http://www.cnbc.com/id/29283701

      The Kochs and others then began to co-op the movement.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • WTS/JAY

    One thing is for certain, both parties exist to achieve and hold power, period.

    Political parties don’t exist in a vacuum. They represent either the interests of social groups or at least a specific area on the spectrum of political opinion.
    The myth of the “wide differences” between Republicans and Democrats the corporate media continually bombards us with is rooted here.

    The Republicans try to obliterate the fact that they represent the richest men and women in the country. Instead, the Republicans make their arguments on ideological bases and love to claim their “ideas” represent “common sense.” There is logic here. After all, saying “I’m rich and I’m going to screw you to stay that way” would not win many elections.

    The much bigger myth, however, is the front presented by the Democratic Party. Democrats love to claim they represent working people and are against the ongoing massive upward flow of money into the hands of the richest people of society. This myth also serves the Republican Party, which then can scream “that’s class warfare!” at the empty rhetoric of Democrats.

    The tactical differences basically fall into two camps: Republicans believe in the naked fist and Democrats believe in timely conciliatory gestures.

    Democrats believe in the fist just as much as Republicans, but know that you can beat people only so much.

    Republicans believe the way to maintain power is to continually attack; to extract the maximum at all times with no mercy. The plutocrat in this camp knows that his foot on everyone else’s neck is the natural order of the universe and sees any concessions made to any worker as an unthinkable sign of weakness and as taking away his right to enjoy the highest profit and the most power.

    Democrats realize that you can’t continually press down on people. If you make people too desperate, they will eventually fight back, feeling they have nothing to lose. Therefore, it is better to push when and where you can, but also to be prepared to make concessions at other points as a safety valve. Sometimes you only have to give a little. At rare points in time, society has broken down so drastically that major concessions had to be given to keep the system in place.

    Franklin Delano Roosevelt realized this during the 1930s, and so concessions that have not been seen before or since—unemployment benefits, social security, banking regulations—were forced out of the ruling elites by widespread social upheaval. Unions were even tolerated for the first and only time in US history. Hard-liners certainly stewed, but Roosevelt knew that unless drastic concessions were made, the holder of history’s dustbin, who was beginning to come into view, might just have swept him and his peers away.

    Besides, over time you can always take your concessions back, or at least most of them. Better to give up something when you must, to release pent-up pressures and to give working people the illusion the system works for them.

    The Democratic plutocrat sees his hard-line Republican counterpart as something of a dinosaur, unwilling to consider new strategies. Concessions are never forever. Once the upsurge in street-level protest dissipates, you can start taking the concessions back.

    Other than in the 1960s, when new mass rebellion broke out, the last 50 years are a nearly unbroken record of take-backs. As long as people continue to be duped into believing in the Democrats and the “lesser of two evils,” this will continue…

    http://www.greens.org/s-r/33/33-16.html

  • WTS/JAY

    There is really no big difference between Democrat and Republican Incumbent Politicians.

    Unfortunately, the only major difference between the IN-PARTY and OUT-PARTY are the two equally destructive extremes that each go to:

    Extreme #1: One extreme wants regressive taxation, unfettered capitalism, little (if any) government regulations, and freedom to explore and wallow in almost every manifestation of unchecked greed.

    Extreme #2: The other extreme wants a nanny-state with citizens increasingly dependent on the government; with massive cradle-to-grave government programs (which are usually severely mismanaged) that nurture a sense of entitlement and dependency on government; tries to disguise envy and jealousy as demands for equality; wants to grow government ever larger (despite the already current nightmare proportions); rewards failure and laziness; and perpetuates the myth that we can somehow all live at the expense of everyone else.

    Other than those two equally destructive extremes above, consider the numerous destructive similarities . . .

    They are both FOR-SALE. Most (if not all) of the incumbents politicians in BOTH parties are irresponsible and unaccountable. But it’s not hard to see why, when too many of the 200 million eligible voters repeatedly reward incumbent politicians with very cu$hy 85% to 90% re-election rates.

    They both talk out of both sides of their mouth (like Pat Paulsen once said: “Assuming either the Left Wing or Right Wing gained control of the country, it would probably fly around in circles”).

    They both rarely take on tough issues. That’s why the nation’s pressing problems continue to grow in number and severity.

    They both pander and make promises they can’t or won’t keep, and do almost anything it takes to get re-elected (especially, when it comes to promising new, vast, enormous, and extremely costly entitlement systems); bribing voters with the voters’ own money.

    They both perpetuate the myth that we can all live at the expense of everyone else. Unfortunately, voters are easily bribed with their own money, and continue to reward and re-elect those very same irresponsible incumbent politicians.

    They both know how to make it appear as though they’re doing very hard and complex work (like rocket science), while actually doing very little (if anything, since they’re spending a lot of time working to merely get re-elected). That is why the call it the Do-Nothing Congress.

    They both can grow and grow and grow government to nightmare proportions, and invent new regressive systems to squeeze the middle class. A mere 1% of the U.S. population owns 40% of all wealth (up from 20% in year 1980). 1 in 5 persons own 83% of all wealth in the U.S.

    They both can skillfully ignore the many pressing problems facing the nation, while appearing to be doing something about it.

    They both can vote for more pork-barrel faster than you can say “pork-barrel”.

    They both are experts at seducing people to participate in the divisive, petty, circular, partisan politics, labels, name calling, and other clever tactics (e.g. level of wealth, race, color, religion, party affiliation, etc.) to distract the people from the important issues. But we, the voters, keep rewarding, re-electing, and empowering them.

    They both successfully continue to distract the people from the real root problem: irresponsible government … and, some how (amazingly) repeatedly convince the people to vote for them again and again; to enjoy, on average since 1980, a cu$hy 96.5% seat-retention rate.

    They both abuse their wealth and power to control others. 90% of all elections are won by the candidate that spends the most money. 83% of all federal campaign donations ($200 or more in 2002) come from a mere 0.3% of the 200 million eligible U.S. voters. How fair is that to the remaining 99.7% of the 200 million eligible U.S. voters? Government is FOR-SALE, and most (if not all) of our politicians are bought-and-paid for by a very few that control and influence government.

    They both are experts at deception, clouding the issues, skirting the issues, avoiding questions, being on all sides of the issues, obscuring the facts, answering questions with non-sequiturs or changing the subject, and talk-talk-talk, while accomplishing little (certainly less than possible, that is . . . but, perhaps, it depends on what the definition of “is” is).

    They both make a handsome incomes (not to mention being able to give themselves annual rai$e$). Are the voters getting their money’s worth ?

    They both like to tax, spend, borrow, and print more money as much as possible. It’s like shootin’ pork in a barrel.

    They both like to grow the National Debt ever larger, every year, for the past 45 years.

    They both like to create perk$ for themselves, paid by tax payers, that are superior to those received by the tax payers (such as their cu$hy multi-million dollar pen$ion$).

    They both pretend to care deeply for the increasingly unaffordable and unreliable health care crisis, while doing nothing to solve the problem. Why should they? They’re covered by their cu$hy benefits paid for by the tax payers. The problem will never be solved until the middlemen (i.e. government and health insurance companies) are removed from the equation, and people begin to pay the health-care providers directly.

    They both know little (if anything) about designing, creating, or building things. They like to contract those things out to their buddies (with a kick-back of cour$e).

    They both rarely took, or paid any attention in college to Economics-101. That’s obvious.

    They both pretend that homeland security is important, while both do nothing to secure the wide-open borders that are trespassed by thousands daily.

    They both pretend to be concerned, but do nothing about the looming bankruptcy of the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) with a $450 billion dollar shortfall, which could affect about 44 million Americans.

    They both spend much of their time raising money for their next election, and dreaming of ways to make their cu$hy, coveted, incumbent seats more secure. That doesn’t leave much time for doing the work of the people or addressing any of these pressing problems.

    They both voted for some questionable items in the Patriot Act that violate the rights of the people.

    They both are guilty of trying to block access to voting ballots and election debates by independent and third party candidates (e.g. Ralph Nader 2004). That’s unconstitutional, but the exclusionary-main-parties are getting away with it, as they limit the choices to just the Republicans and Democrats.

    They both perpetuate the myth that we have a real democracy, when we really only have a very extremely limited set of choices (by design) provided by the two main-parties, that make it difficult or impossible for independent or 3rd party candidates to participate in debates or get on voting ballots.

    They both are quite skilled at negative campaigning.

    They both reject Election/Campaign/Finance Reform. Unfortunately, government is for sale, and influenced by some elite that abuse vast wealth and power.

    They both often fall victim to the “jelly-brain” disease shortly after being elected to office, and some forget their campaign promises (e.g. “read my lips” “hope and change”).

    They both reject term limits.

    They both often look the other way when they see corruption, for fear that their skeletons will be drug out of the closet too. But, even if they get caught and convicted, they’ll receive a very short sentence (or probation), or get a pardon (e.g. like Bill Clinton pardoned lots of felons), and they will still receive their cu$hy multi-million dollar pensions (just like Dan Rostenkowski did, who pled guilty, but still received a pardon from Bill Clinton).

    They both reject transparency, which is needed for increased accountability and responsibility (three dirty words in politics).

    They both really don’t want to get rid of the filibuster; it’s a great time-waster (e.g. such as filibusters in the 1960’s to block voting on civil rights, filibusters in the 2000’s to block circuit judge appointments, etc.).

    They both really don’t want to cut spending; that goes against the plan of growing government ever bigger and bigger.

    They both want the Federal Reserve to print more and more money. The Federal Reserve is printing too much money and increasing inflation. We have a bad monetary system. The M3 Money Supply grew from $135 Billion in year 1950 to $10.15 Trillion in year 2005. That is an increase by a factor of 75.2 ! Today, interest alone on the $17,162,225,326,958 National Debt is over $1 billion per day! The government is printing hundreds of billions of new money per year, and borrowing the rest. Our fiat funny-money monetary system represents nothing more than a dishonest form of hidden taxation. It is a pyramid-scheme. When the government can print money at will, and does so irresponsibly (which it does), it is no different than a counterfeiter who illegally prints currency. Our fiat funny-money monetary system especially hurts savers and those on fixed incomes, who find the value of their dollars steadily being eroded by the Fed’s irresponsible, non-stop printing presses. At only 4.5% inflation, $100 becomes $63.50 in 10 years, and $35.43 in 20 years. That is why the double-digit inflation of the 1980’s was so devastating, and what is making investors in the debt nervous. To really understand why the dishonest fiat funny-money monetary system is so popular among some utopian economists, the business community, bankers, and government officials (especially), you need to understand how it gives them the power and influence. It puts money in their hands, first, early in the circulation cycle, before the currency loses its value due to inflation. This dishonest fiat funny-money system shifts the losses to others that don’t understand how they are being cheater. The poor and those dependent on fixed incomes can’t keep up with the rising cost of living, and median incomes continue to fall.

    They both really have no plan to ever pay down the National Debt; they are relying only on induced inflation and growth to reduce the continually growing National Debt; without discipline also, and government’s track-record of growing the National Debt every year of the last 45 years, the problem could easily grow out of control (if it hasn’t already); currently, it would take 222 years at only 2.5% interest to pay off only 33% of the the total National Debt, and that would also require government to stop borrowing $1.3+ billion per day, much less, start paying down $1.3 billion per day, to merely keep the debt from growing larger.

    They both (mostly) voted for the unnecessary wars in Iraq, Vietnam, and Korea, etc. When things go badly, they simply blame each other.

    They both ignore the needs of the truly needy, because they simultaneously spend a lot of time voting for more pork-barrel, more raises and perk$ for themselves, and writing hot checks at the tax payers expense. In fact, in order to avoid the embarrassing publicity when they vote themselves raises, they made the raises automatic, thereafter. Thus, they now get their raises automatically, unless they explicitly vote to reject their raises. Hell of a deal, eh ? Perhaps the voters should have more control over these salaries and raises ?

    They both revel in the fact that the people are too resigned to the futility, despair, and complacency to do this One-Simple thing to restore a balance of power (not simply shift it) between the people and the government. They both hope this is the one thing the people never discover (i.e. hold them all responsible, as a single entity, because that may be the only way to ever get them to finally police their own ranks, and also encourage their peers to be more responsible too). There are two classes in this country:

    (a) One class that derives concentrated power from its concentrated wealth.

    (b) And, the other class that has power only in numbers, and it is largely ineffective due to their inability to organize.

    They both are unable to tell us where the money will come from to pay the interest on the $57 Trillion nation-wide debt, much less the money to reduce the principal $54 Trillion of nation-wide debt, when that money does not yet exist, and 80% of the U.S. population owns only 17% of all wealth in the U.S.

    It’s unlikely Congress will reform itself voluntarily.

    Especially when Congress is repeatedly rewarded with perpetual re-election for ignoring reforms.

    Government will not become more responsible and accountable until the voters do too.

    Only the people (i.e. the voters) can provide the incentive to become more responsible and finally begin to solve the many serious problems facing the nation.

    The people must reject the petty partisan politics, labels, party bigotry, and other clever mechanisms used as a clever distraction from the fact that government is failing the people, and we’re all failing ourselves by not only allowing, but empowering and enabling those in government to continue to be too irresponsible, and continue to avoid tackling tough problems for fear of risking re-election.

    Until then, we will probably continue to crap in our own nest.

    http://one-simple-idea.com/MainPartySimilarities.htm

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear WTS/Jay,

      You write: “Extreme #1: One extreme wants regressive taxation, unfettered capitalism, little (if any) government regulations, and freedom to explore and wallow in almost every manifestation of unchecked greed.” Which one would this be?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • WTS/JAY

        Personally, i would re-write the above extreme, minus the regressive taxation which should be placed in extreme #2 category, to; unfettered crony-capitalism, little (if any) government regulations that would directly benefit crony-capitalists, which would allow them to explore and wallow in almost every manifestation of unchecked greed. But both extremes could be designated to either party, since both, essentially serve the plutocracy.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear WTS/JAY,

          Thanks for clarifying. I thought I was going to have to take you to the woodshed.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • WTS/JAY

            Lol! If not you, i’m sure somebody else would have! :)

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    The good news is the U.S. economy wheezed out 204,000 new jobs in October, despite all the sound and fury (signifying very little) over the 17%, 16-day-long government semi-demi-shutdown. The bad news is pretty much everything else, so let’s take a look at what lies underneath the big headline number.
    http://pjmedia.com/blog/2014-the-collapsing-obamaconomy/

    News Headlines ONLY for ONE day: October 23, 2013 2013http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxIsMztiTZI

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Happy Veterans Day! This is the day we set aside to remember those who have served, along with those who did not make it back home. Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. Give no quarter and take no quarter! Here are some articles about Veterans Day and our patriotic veterans.

    http://www.patriotupdate.com/2013/11/watch-george-w-bush-thanks-veterans/

    http://www.patriotupdate.com/articles/veterans-day-salute/

    http://www.theblacksphere.net/2013/11/107-year-old-wwii-vet-richard-overton-honored/

    http://www.rightvoicemedia.com/2013/11/the-wages-of-courage/

    Let us not forget the sacrifice they and we have made for this country. Let us also not forget them that are buried in Europe, Asia, and other places, paying the ultimate sacrifice for our country and our freedom. For if it weren’t for our veterans, we would have nothing. God bless them and their families. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    “A patriot must be a religious man.”

    Thomas Jefferson
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence
    3rd President of the U.S.
    Orthodox Christian

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Happy Veterans Day! This is the day we set aside to remember those who have served, along with those who did not make it back home. Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. Give no quarter and take no quarter! Here are some articles about Veterans Day and our patriotic veterans.

    http://www.patriotupdate.com/2013/11/watch-george-w-bush-thanks-veterans/

    http://www.patriotupdate.com/articles/veterans-day-salute/

    http://www.theblacksphere.net/2013/11/107-year-old-wwii-vet-richard-overton-honored/

    http://www.rightvoicemedia.com/2013/11/the-wages-of-courage/

    Let us not forget the sacrifice they and we have made for this country. Let us also not forget them that are buried in Europe, Asia, and other places, paying the ultimate sacrifice for our country and our freedom. For if it weren’t for our veterans, we would have nothing. God bless them and their families. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    “A patriot must be a religious man.”

    Thomas Jefferson
    Signer of the Declaration of Independence
    3rd President of the U.S.
    Orthodox Christian

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      What the h*** does this have to do with anything? This is not the place to advertise. Sheesh!

      • WTS/JAY

        Lol!

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Give no quarter and take no quarter! I know my language wasn’t that polite, but there is a time and place for everything. This is not the time or place for that. Here is an article about women in America.

          http://www.lifenews.com/2013/11/08/two-thirds-of-americans-women-want-painful-abortions-on-unborn-babies-banned/

          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          “The true Christian is the true citizen.”

          Theodore Roosevelt
          26th President of the U.S.

          • LINDITA

            AS PEOPLE, THIS IS A TRUE. CHRISTIAN KNOWS THE TRICK BUT, HE NEVER USED. GOD IS A POWERFUL! AMEN!

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      If someone has done military service,
      They earn the title “veteran,” and more;
      They earn our deep respect and admiration;
      That they are special no one can ignore.
      (By Joanna Fuchs)

      Happy Veterans Day, Samurai!
      Love & Peace!

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Give no quarter and take no quarter! The same to you and yours. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    • rbrooks

      well, your welcome, sammyeye. tho i doubt you include all of us vets in your thanks.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Did I say anything about race, religion, or gender rbrooks? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    • JeffH

      samurai, hope you and all veteran had a wonderful day.

      Thank You for you service to this great country!

      하나님과 국가!

      당신과 당신의 가족에에서 있을 수 있습니다 영원한 평화 생명!

      Veteran’s Day Tribute to all of those that have served.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Give no quarter and take no quarter! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

  • http://www.rt.com Alondra

    THANK YOU ALL VETERANS
    By Lily Michaels

    I can’t shake every hand.
    I can’t put flowers on every grave.
    I can’t console every family member.
    But I can say thank you.

    There are not words big enough.
    There is not a hug strong enough.
    There is not a smile wide enough.
    All I can offer is thank you.

    You are my heroes.
    You are in my thoughts.
    You are in my prayers.
    For all you’ve done, thank you.

    Happy Veterans Day to ALL Veterans!

  • Motov

    Spammer!
    Sooner or later this will be deleted

  • Robert Brennan

    I find it funny when a person disagree with a Liberal the race card or the dumb card gets played. The Republicans ended slavery, the Democrats wanted it to continue but to bad.