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Obamamania Or Obama Mayhem?

May 9, 2012 by  

Obamamania Or Obama Mayhem?
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President Obama has turned his back on the facts.

With his reelection bid just months away President Barack Obama is painting himself as a reformer who will continue to resurrect America. Below is an excerpt from an ad released last week: (WARNING, do not watch if you have bouts of common sense or are subject to episodes of depression while seeing your country go down the drain).

“On the day Barack Obama took office, America had already lost 4.4 million jobs — an economic disaster, the worst in a generation. Some said America’s best days were behind us. And like America, he (Obama) dug deep, fought back and never lost faith in our ability to meet the challenge.”


Obama’s Plan

Obama tells us that the Republican Party is the challenge because it is mired in the past. If by the past Obama means America’s wealth and greatness, then he is correct. And make no mistake, if the President is given another four years to work out his schemes and his plans, America’s greatness will be lost and a staggering superpower will be eviscerated.

It is true that the United States was in decline before Obama’s election in 2008. However, the President has managed to cut out America’s economic underpinnings and in doing that he has severely wounded the Nation’s psyche.

One hundred years ago the U.S. was quickly consolidating its position as the richest and most powerful nation. Today it is the world’s largest debtor, and well past its economic apex.

Denial is in full bloom. Obama is commanding the largest U.S. military to wage a war that cannot be won. At the same time, the President continues to spend billions in new tax dollars on unproven clean energy.

How much longer can we support this military monster? What happens when the money flow stops?

History serves up grim answers to these disturbing questions. Rome collapsed after it became overextended and could no longer afford to pay its legions to impose Caesar’s will. Spain collapsed after its vast overseas commitments broke its treasury. And England succumbed when its treasury could no longer finance its ambitions.

To say that this cannot happen to America is to ignore history. Where we are headed is a natural consequence of where we have been.

The United States is falling victim to what historian Paul Kennedy calls “imperial overstretch.” In his bestseller, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, Kennedy wrote:

If a state overextends itself strategically by the conquest of extensive territories or the waging of costly wars — it runs the risk that the potential benefits from external expansion may be outweighed by the great expense of it all. This dilemma becomes acute if the nation concerned has entered a period of relative economic decline.

President Obama proclaims that the U.S. is a great power, able to force its will on the world, without regard of the cost. He has perpetuated the illusion. If you listen to the President, you would think that the United States is as much of a superpower today as it was 50 years ago.
By any measure America is in decline:

  • In the 1950s and 1960s U.S. productivity grew by around 3 percent per year. That meant that our standard of living doubled every 24 years. Today, productivity is growing by less than 1 percent. That means it takes 60 to 70 years for our living standard to double.
  • In 1970 U.S. firms manufactured 100 percent of the electronic products bought in the United States. Today they account for less than 4 percent.
  • In 1981 the U.S. was the world’s largest creditor with the rest of the world owing it $140 billion. Today our aggregate debt exceeds $14 trillion, up $5 trillion since Mr. Obama took office.
  • Unemployment typically did not rise above 7 percent a generation ago but is now locked in at more than 8 percent; this during Mr. Obama’s so called economic recovery.
  • Medicare and Social Security will soon be insolvent at the current rates of disbursement.
  • U.S. manufacturing jobs surged from the end of the Depression until the early 1970s, when the number of jobs peaked. Then jobs were flat until 1999. After that jobs collapsed. For the 10 years ending in 2010, factories lost workers so fast that they erased all the gains that had been made over the previous 70 years, with the loss of one out of every three manufacturing jobs; some 6 million in total. (See chart below):

Employees on Nonfarm Payrolls: Manufacturing

America’s joblessness is endemic, especially when you consider the trillions of new dollars injected by the Obama Administration.

Clyde Prestowitz, a former U.S. Commerce Official noted, “The American Century is over.”

And The Atlantic recently pointed out that Obama will have a difficult time making good on campaign promises:

For most of U.S. history, most people had a slow and steady wind at their back, a combination of economic forces that didn’t make life easy but gave many of us little pushes forward that allowed us to earn a bit more every year. Over a lifetime, it all added up to a better sort of life than the one we were born into. That wind seems to be dying for a lot of Americans. What the country will be like without it is not quite clear.

I think we can infer the result of Obama’s dismantling of Pax Americana. It will mean a continued economic and moral decline of the United States. The first evidence of unrest occurred last year with Occupy protests in the United States. Unless there is a turnaround in the economy we will see worsening violence and social discord.

We may have one desperate last chance to save the American dream. It rests in the hands of voters who have the responsibility to see that Obama is defeated in November.

Yours in good times and bad,

John Myers

Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Sirian

    The future of our nation is dismal, this we all know. Even so, are we totally unable to see what must be done? Can we truly come together – unite – into one overwhelming mass of vote that will in the end reward us with at least a buffer zone of time to start a very proud and strong return to that which we once were? There is so much more to accomplish but if we allow this well disguised Marxist to stay in office, what then? What limits would he then have on his “flexibility”? Are we to merely sit around and grumble our displeasure in what we know shall follow soon after? Or are we going to follow through with that that we know is right? As was once said – “we mutually pledge to each other our lives, fortunes and sacred honor.” Are we willing to pledge the same today? I AM!! I DO!! If we don’t then the freedom to talk, debate and even argue as we do here will slip away as fast as the words we type.

    • simian_pete

      Sirian,
      Aren’t you being a bit dramatic ? HA HA !!!

      John Myers,

      It seems, realistically, the alternate energy “faction” has taken over some control of the Federal Government. So part of the “trend” will probably be Solar Power, Wind Power and Hydrogen fuel. I’m skeptical to a degree of this trend’s success. It seems the politicians just want the alternate fuel advocates “vote” …

      So we are coming into 2012 with Mitt Romney as the front runner. The possibility of Ron Paul finally winning at the Republican Convention is generating much suspense !

      Mr. Obama has over a billion dollars for his re-election campaign. We haven’t heard from the “Build a burgers” (Bildergers(?)) yet on who will finally be chosen for the presidency … I think the meeting will be held at the end of this month into the first week of June ?

      What’s my point ?
      1) If Ron Paul loses the nomination the head repubs will get what they want, Romney as a candidate.

      2) Some Ron Paul repubs will vote for Romney – but not enough for him to win.

      3) Obama wins by a landslide ….

      My point is – “What’s in it for me ?” and the answer I hear is – “Nothing good, just more rief ! ”

      So I’m just going to do my best to GET READY TO SURVIVE A VERY TOUGH 4 MORE YEARS OF OBAMA !!! HA HA !!

      Thank you American Voters ! Have a nice day !

      • simian_pete

        That word “rief” was suppose to be “grief” as in “Nothing good, just more GRIEF” …. I hope you all aren’t thinking “rief” as in “reefer”. Ha HA !

      • LAB

        There’s at least one IDIOT in every crowd, you, simian_pete have just proven that! Thank you…now please just go away.

      • Tazio2013

        Liked your post and thought you’d appreciate the following “Economic Alert”. And don’t most of US awakened, clear-thinking, reality-based individuals know that BHO is only the current Republikrat POTUS chosen for 2 X 4 year terms by The Powers That Shouldn’t Be a.k.a Judeo-Christian Rothschild Zionists?

        Economic Alert: If You’re Not Worried Yet…You Should Be

        All indicators suggest that this year will be unlike any other before. In 2008, we saw the first trigger events for the collapse. In 2008/2009, we saw the creation of the bailout culture, setting the stage for inflation and dollar disintegration. In 2010, we saw the first bilateral trade deal cutting out the dollar between China and Russia, which is now the template for trade deals all over the globe. In 2011, we saw the first downgrade of the U.S. credit rating and the crisis in the EU become epidemic. In 2012, I see not just another difficulty to add to the mountain, but a culmination of all these detriments to produce something entirely new; a vast and subversive realignment forcing many of us to take a more aggressive stance in the fight for an economically and socially free America.

        Financial disasters have always been a convenient catalyst for a host of even more frightening obstacles, including civil unrest, and blatant totalitarianism. This is the cusp. It is one of those moments that people of later generations read about in awe, and sometimes horror. The “doom” is not in the event, but in the response. What we make of the days approaching determines the darkness that they cast upon the future. It is a test. It is not something to be dreaded. It is something to be seized upon, and dealt with, as great men and women before us have done. At the very least, we know that it is coming. That, in itself, could well seal our success…

        http://www.activistpost.com/2012/05/economic-alert-if-youre-not-worried.html

      • Tazio2013

        RE: Subliminal: How Your Subconscious Mind Rules Your Behavior by Leonard Mlodinov

        Check out the ToC and first 8 pages on Amazon Books.

        Mysterium tremendum et fascinans!

      • Tom W.

        Did anyone notice where he said, “And Those who are fighting to GET INTO the middle class?!! Did y’all catch that one?!! BURN HIM ON IT!!! The AMERICAN DREAM is not to finally make it to the MIDDLE CLASS!!! What was this, O’s version of “Count Your Many Blessings”?!! BLASPHEMY!!!
        This bi-partisan bickering reminds me of pro wrestlin’! I out grew that crap at 12 Mz. McMahon!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEuLsw4BzDg

        ■In 1970 U.S. firms manufactured 100 percent of the electronic products bought in the United States. Today they account for less than 4 percent.

        Whoo, that one’s almost as bad as us ranking 17th in cellular technology! RED FLAG!!! Yep! I was workin’ for Ford Motors at their Louisville Assem. Plant in “79″, boy those were the days, I was 21 yrs. of age and makin’ more than I could spend! Oh, the memories!!! it’s been a day to day struggle for this 53 yr.old ever since!!!
        WAKE UP AMERICA! LET’S ROLL!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0hYkoZgu9U

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Hey simian_pete, why did you pick that monicker?

      • http://uahoo.com Johnny Thomas

        I am going to predict that my comment will be removed as I use no bad language or even worry about colors.Any way I sincerely hope that our so called great nation that is making industrie rich people is being made by taking the work out of our nation to others allowing us to starve for work at a fair rate of pay ,I cannot help but wonder what they pay in labor outside out nation so they can make a few more dollars that adds up to billions in all or it because in union’s paying a person 18 or 20 dollars an out to put lug nuts on the cars on the assembly lines while on the side that has to do their warrenty repairs are closely monitored and cut way down om that person performing complicated repair’s while having to furnish their own tools and work at a rate a great deal under that of that person putting on lug nut’s and that woman still working is sectionising plant that cans green peppers or peaches at a minim umwage and the REPUBLICANS cry out when we reach for it to be raised so that woman can put shoe’s her baby’s feet and try to keep up with the nation some one still gets rich but the pay is stolen all the way through the smaller people that feed us IT IS HARD TO FIGHT FOR EQUAL TIGHTS IN ALL AREA”S BUT THE RICH NEED TO BRING THE WORK HOME AND PAY ALL ON A MORE EQUAL BASIS NOT JUST THE UNIONS THEY ARE IN THE PAST AND HAVE OUT LIVED THEIR USFULLNESS as they are helping put us under.I see nothing bad in OBAMA but I do in the rich people in our nation
        jlelandthomas

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          JT you are a Monkey loving idiot. Zero corporate tax rate will bring home the jobs and a fair tax will get income tax from the 50% who pay none. The jobs will pay folks like you a good and fair living and if you are smart enough to try your best at something and stick to it you can become a business owner with profits. The money will flow like wine and the charitible good people in America will take great care of the disabled. But if you are not disabled get a fricking job loser.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Johnny Thomas, I don’t know why I thought of this while reading your comment but there is plenty of work to do; we just have to be willing to do it. I’ve got plenty to do here and if you’ll come help me I’ll provide three hots and a cot.

          Doesn’t that mother working at the canning factory receive her check for her work as agreed? I have a problem with people who claim that someone is being robbed when they are getting what they agreed to. I don’t disagree that maybe she should be paid a higher wage but she agreed to what she gets and BTW our big brother the criminal government system takes the biggest bite out of her pay far out of proportion to what it should. It’s big gov’s fault that she can’t put shoes on her babies feet. If the gov allowed her to keep the other half she earned she could have plenty of things she currently doesn’t have. Please spread the blame around to all that deserve it.

          Do you ever look at your pay check stubs to see where a lot of your hard earned currency is going to? It’s ok for the criminal government to take her currency so she can’t feed and cloth her children but it’s evil for the business to pay her what she agreed to? I can’t figure out how people look at things?

          What’s this more equal basis stuff? Should someone sweeping a floor get paid the same as somebody putting shingles on a roof who takes his life in his hands every time he steps out on a roof? What equal about that? Should a police person get paid the same as a janitor or a teacher as a dishwasher in a restaurant? Get off this equal stuff.

          Have you ever run a business? Do you work for someone? Why should a worker who goes home after work to eat and sleep be paid better than the owner of the business who put up his resources and took the risk of failure and put far more effort into his business by working long hours to provide you with a guaranteed wage have to give up the benefits of his initiative to someone who has no appreciation for the effort he put out?

          The problem is that your jealous of rich people and want to steal their wealth even if they did everything correctly to get that wealth. Don’t you work and feel entitled to do what you want with what you have or do you want somebody to come in your home and tell you what to do with what you have?

          And the reason the rich are getting richer: because you buy their cheap crap instead of the more expensive stuff that is made here in the good ole USA by smaller businesses. I’ll bet you even shop at Walmart?

      • http://uahoo.com Johnny Thomas

        I am going to predict that my comment will be removed as I use no bad language or even worry about colors.Any way I sincerely hope that our so called great nation that is making industrie rich people is being made by taking the work out of our nation to others allowing us to starve for work at a fair rate of pay ,I cannot help but wonder what they pay in labor outside out nation so they can make a few more dollars that adds up to billions in all or it because in union’s paying a person 18 or 20 dollars an out to put lug nuts on the cars on the assembly lines while on the side that has to do their warranty repairs are closely monitored and cut way down om that person performing complicated repair’s while having to furnish their own tools and work at a rate a great deal under that of that person putting on lug nut’s and that woman still working is canning plant that cans green peppers or peaches at a minim wage and the REPUBLICANS cry out when we reach for it to be raised so that woman can put shoe’s her baby’s feet and try to keep up with the nation some one still gets rich but the pay is stolen all the way through the smaller people that feed us IT IS HARD TO FIGHT FOR EQUAL TIGHTS IN ALL AREA”S BUT THE RICH NEED TO BRING THE WORK HOME AND PAY ALL ON A MORE EQUAL BASIS NOT JUST THE UNIONS THEY ARE IN THE PAST AND HAVE OUT LIVED THEIR USE FULLNESS as they are the only one getting paid for work so simply that my 2 year old grand daughter can perform well and they are helping put us under unless they expand into the other side of the work force.I see nothing bad in OBAMA but I do in the rich people in our nation. I went to a hotel in Ft Liquor Dale Florida and I could not believe that the person that it stood for had a picture of him on the soap.the towels: wash rags and even the toilet paper that is sick money
        jlelandthomas

      • jean

        we can’t afford four more years of him. he is not doing right by the U.S.A

      • JeffH

        Johnny Thomas, yer oh for two…that’s 0 – 2 today.
        1 – your comments(both)are still up
        2 – there’s nothing good about Obama as POTUS

      • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

        5/10/12, I’ll b done w/my mortgage by years end. I’m retired & want to sell my house. If BO wins & I find a buyer, I’ll move to Canada.

      • Lisa

        recent rasmussen poll shows Obama and Ron Paul tie at 42%… shows if obama runs against mitt with RP as 3rd party, he steals more from Obama who gets 39% and Mitt who gets 47%… I think if you pin RP against Obama he wins… This is why the establishment wont let Mitt beat Obama one on one… wont happen becuz they want this fool for 4 more years.. he is doing a great job for them, great charismatic liar…Unbelievable how stupid people are to beleive his BS… look at all the women and children he is killing with DRONES in the Arab countries forcefeeding our DEMOCRACY LIES… its nuts

    • David169

      Sirian,
      I like a lot of other people are willing to do what ever is necessary to heal our country. This article articulates the gradual downfall of our economy. I suggest everyone look at those dates and look at how and when the burden of entitlements was placed on the productive sector. I don’t know how much we have spent trying to make the poor able to join the middle class but it is many trillions of dollars. It has been a total failure because the poor are still poor and so much has been spent on them the middle class has been financially gutted. Any money that is spent on any entitlement takes that money from someone who produces more than they consume. Those on entitlements consume more than they produce. Unfortunately our short sighted government has raised the bar on entitlements so high our nation is now consuming more that it produces and running huge deficits so cowardly politicians can appease their constituants with an ever greater amount of entitlements. We need to reverse this last 40 years spending money trying to fix a problem that cannot be fixed with money.
      Also I don’t put any faith in this coming election. Tell me how we ended up with a Spanish firm tallying our ballots and using a system that provides no possible recount. I believe the election is rigged and whoever anyone votes for will be a vote tallied to Obama.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        David169, I fear you are correct

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        David169, you’re right and the real issue is that there is no amount of money that you can give to a poor person to raise him to middle class. Most people waste what is merely given to them because they don’t appreciate it. True middle class people and even some rich ones worked for what they have.

        As you say, the problem can’t be fixed with money because it’s a problem of ideology and not purely one of economics. The problem can’t be fixed until people decide to become responsible. All entitlements will have to go away and people will have to take on work even if it seems menial and demeaning. It took work and cooperation to take us to greatness it’ll take more of the same to take us back there.

      • David Deal

        JeffH & Brad & most of the rest of you had your minds made up about Obama before he was ever elected and nothing he did was going to change taht. Johnny Thomas is the ONE voice of reason here. When I read in the article the part calling Obama a war monger essesntially I was aghast at how far some people would stretch reality. Obama is doing his best to frag our ASS out of these COSTLY military entanglements which are 1/3 of our budget problem as we spend 31% of our money on militarty and veteren benefits. Another 1/3 is the loss of revenue dring Reagan and two Bush administrations as well as the Bush TEMPORARY tax cuts Obama has been forced to live with. Until we restore proper taxation on the wealthy and get out of war our debt will continue to rise. There are not enough cuts to make elsewhere to make the necessary difference and they would all hurt the ones who need help the most.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Obama is doing his best to frag our ASS out of these COSTLY military entanglements …”

        Lybia, Yemen, Pakistan, making war like talk about Iran, dropping hints about war with Syria yeah obama is reducing our military involvement sure he is after all you said he was so it must be true NOT.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        Oh by the way i forgot to mention our military is in a couple of African nations as well don’t remember which ones right off.

        • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

          5/11/12, The dirtbag’s going to lose. BO’s got nothing to run on, so his handlers throw up this gay smokescreen in a hurry.

      • madmemere

        David, you are correct, in that we cannot, possibly, get an “honest”election count from SCYTL- -their CEO (Valles) was one of obama-soetoro’s “larger campaign contributors” in ’08! I’ve been advising everyone, who will listen, to sign up for an absentee ballot- -this is a “mail-in paper ballot” that is “hand counted” and reported locally – -it leaves a “paper trail”! By doing this, we can side-step SCYTL completely.
        People on other patriotic websites, that I belong to, tell me I’m “being delusional and no such thing is about to happen”! They try to tell me I’m “discouraging people from voting”! I wish I were “delusional” and all of this would just “go away”, but we both know that is NOT going to happen. If we want our country back and we want to get rid of this impostor, then we WILL have to fight all the way to the ballot box!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

      I’m with ya cowboy! Well said Sirian!!!

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Tom W. I’ve watched 9 or the thirteen parts so far and I’m just fascinated with what I see. This confirms what I’ve long believed: that Satan won’t have to do anything overtly because he’s covertly convinced much of mankind to kill itself off. I don’t feel like Satan want’s our worship as much as he wants our destruction and he’ll do that any way he can.

        Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtilH6175 than any beast of the field which the YHWH Elohim had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath Elohim said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

        See that word subtil? This is what it means:

        H6175
        ערוּם
        ‛ârûm
        aw-room’
        Passive participle of H6191; cunning (usually in a bad sense): – crafty, prudent, subtil.

        Part of my dictionary definition says that the word subtle (same word as above only this is the modern spelling) means: operating insidiously.

        What a master stroke: he convinces Adam, the female one (the one who everybody calls Eve and who was the one that Adam, the male one renamed Chawwah) to separate herself from YHWH voluntarily and to throw away her chance at everlasting life. Satan wants the throne of YHWH and he saw that mankind would inherit the Kingdom of YHWH then it would be impossible for him to take over the kingdom. He hates us and wants to eliminate us as a potential threat. Thankfully there was a redemption plan from the beginning. Hallelujah. Here’s something about Eve.

        Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name EveH2332; because she was the mother of all living.

        H2332
        חוּה
        chavvâh
        khav-vaw’
        Causative from H2331; lifegiver; Chavvah (or Eve), the first woman: – Eve.

        Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

        YHWH named them both Adam.

        Anyway, now Satan has pulled of a coup de grace by convincing people that acting like animals is appropriate and that they should murder their children all the while he’s betting that most of them will die off before they have the chance to repent and ask for forgiveness.

  • cawmun cents

    Beware the word”imperial”when spoken by historians.
    There is a tendency for revision amongst modern ranks,When your entire curriculum has been engineered by marxists,revision is a necessary tool to make you work out your estimations differently.
    Revision is what is used to take the unemployment numbers and make them what they want to see reflected,not necessarily the true numbers.
    Statistics can and will be revised to reflect whatever is needed at a given time.
    Remember who controls the FCC?Where there is control of information,dont you think that eventually the control over how it is processed will be undertaken?It seems a likely next step in the process of taking control,right?
    Or do you imagine that folks who are power hungry,get just enough power,and then they just settle for that much power?
    Or is it far more likely that power corrupts,and they seek more eventually?
    Stop asking questions and accept what we are saying to you,they chide.All the pertinent information has been provided by us they state.
    You have been provided with entire networks of information that seems coherent,right?
    So why are you asking questions?
    In an effort not to be blindsided Logans Run style,by “going along to get along”you have gone on a search for the mythical”Sanctuary.”Your past is chasing you like some maniacal former associate that wants to see you dead for discovering the truth.
    This revisionist thinking can go on in perpetuity,while you live carelessly under the dome of media/academia protection.The utopian society ushers in a sense of pupose and life regardless of the need to ponder why it is that way.You stopped asking questions,and did what you were told to do.Living under the dome is a refreshing new thing.
    You were trained your whole life to go with the latest fad,correct?So this is just the latest,greatest,thing to do,so just settle in for whatever is in store for you.It is really for the better of mankind that we proceed into the future with open minds,right?
    Nobody told you that if you run around open-minded all the time,that your brains might fall out.But you were so busy doing what you were told that you left them where they fell and proceeded to get on with the procedure.
    In an effort to seem like you are with the new trend,you go along to get along,never pondering whether it is a good ideology to conscript,or a poor one.
    You didnt realize the armband tattoo that you got for your birthday maked you as a follower,not as a trend-setter.How easily are you identified,when the sandman comes hunting for you?Do you possess an easily identifiable mark?In the age of information,just how much do you broadcast about yourself,without need for search?
    I am one who doesnt care what the authorities want to do to me.I have no place in their euphoric utopia,so I broadcast my folly,because its the one rebel part of me that wont go away.
    Some consider themselves smart.I do not consider myself smart,because I know that the only true wisdom I have comes from God.If he is my source then it is He that deserves the accolades when I learn something.Some folks make much ado about nothing in an effort to SEEM smart.
    But insight and wisdom do not originate from the places they assume it comes from.
    So they get lost under the dome,living in euphoria,by utopian rule.
    When they come streaming out of the wreckage of willful ignorance to see the wonderful past that is there for their enrichment,then,and only then,they can proceed into the future.
    Past Present Future.
    The law of threes.
    -CC.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      cawmun cents, you said “Or do you imagine that folks who are power hungry,get just enough power,and then they just settle for that much power?” That is a great question. I watch a movie about Custer’s Last Stand and it was supposed to be at least partially based on facts. In the beginning Custer was sympathetic to the Indian problems but when he found out that he stood a good chance of being elected to office his methodology changed. Now it was time to persecute the Indians to make him look good. We all know the outcome of Custer’s Last Stand whether the story above is actually true or not. I just liked the lesson in it and thought that it confirms your point.

      I feel that there are few who have the strength of character to avoid abusing the power they get. I see those in our Criminal Government who are drunk on their power. You can’t force a drunk not to want to drink but you can force him not to drink. The only way for a drunk to reform is to want to stop on his own. I don’t see our government drunks giving up their power since it’s fun being drunk.

      • cawmun cents

        i’ll drink to that……haw!
        Cheers!
        -CC.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          cawmun cents, watch it now, you might just get a bad reputation with all of that drinking. :) Cheers

  • Nottakenyan

    Obama = one LFN !!!

  • http://firefox wog1

    I see where the new moniker for the Democrats has been shown. Since when is a LOSS of freedom and a movement towards slavery a movement for forward. Obama’s past should teach him that., Maybe he needs a history lesson.

    • Michael

      Wog – you need to go outside and look around. There are no facist police squads patrolling the streets looking for honest Americans to persecute. You righties live in a fantasy world your paranoid delusions has created.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Michael, I hope all you liberals keep thinking that way. So when your master comes looking for you , you will not be armed or ready for his intrusion upon you.

        Good Luck with that

      • Flashy

        Let’s see…. “America’s manufacturing jobs began the decline when Reaganomics began and the War On the Middle Class begun in earnest. We crewed it up where the deficit was $63 billion a year to well over $200 billion a year by the time Reagan left office. The largest most massive redistribution of wealth began from the Middle Class to the wealthy and corporate elite. During the next 30 years, we managed to convince America that jobs shipped overseas was a good thing, that we should be a service oriented economy with low wages and low skilled jobs, trash our training programs, trash the unions, enrich our friends and screw things up so bad we hit bottom and came darned close to bringing America another Depression. .

        And because Obama can’t straighten it out in three years, and is endangering the gains we made in our War on Middle America….it’s all his fault. ”

        That about sums up the real message of the article.

        facts are facts….the decline began with Reagan’s war on the Middle Class. Any other analysis is simply ignoring the reality and facts.

      • http://personalliberty.com Redfray

        Facist squads’ didn’t stand around in Germany for everyone to see. If you decided to go agaist the the government ideology, they showed up very quickly. If you decided to not follow the wishes of the leader, they showed up very quickly. For sure, there power came from the government.

      • http://firefox wog1

        Yet! but you look around at other countries, Cuba, Venezuela, Real free are they not? It is on the books now that they can do this so I would suggest you get a clue.

      • Flashy

        Wog…just what ‘books’ are they ‘on’ ?

      • Annie66

        Perhaps you should go outside and look around. There are between 170-190 ‘check points’ currently in this nation. TSA thugs are placed at these sites and they are skulking around various cities, Houston is one example, and without warrants they are searching luggage. The lie is that they are seeking terrorists; the truth is that they are preparing the American people for an occupied police state. There are reports of military personnel dressed like police offices lurking, also; this is illegal if indeed it is occurring.The first prison for military veterans is located in Georgia. Veterans, conservatives, constitutionalists, those who oppose open borders and abortions are now classified as terrorists. You have only a limited right to political dissent and your freedom of speech is seriously curtailed. The police state is enabled to detain you indefinitely without due process. The demons called food police are busy and Agenda 21 food policies were designed at the behest of a Nazi convicted of war crimes in Germany. They play to starve on 1 billion people4 to death world wide and to kill another 2 billion by chronic disease related to starvation. Have you ever heard of Fritz ter Meer? The fiends that seek to enslave you will make Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Lenin and all of the other major dictators combined look like choir boys. You might need to rethink your position.

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Amen Annie66, you get em girl

      • Flashy

        Annie…i did a quick search and found nothing even remotely supporting your contentions …care to share your source of information?

        Is this the Veteran’s prison you’re referring to? Instead of sending convicts to Gen pop ?

        http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/05/first-veteran-exclusive-jail-dorm-opens/

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Flashy, no doubt about it that jobs went over seas but who convinced whom that it was a good idea? Businesses need to make a profit to stay in business and all of those increases in corporate tax burdens and regulations were what convinced them to seek remedies for declining revenues over seas. The average consumer was unwilling to pay higher prices for the products and services they needed so they bought from China, Taiwan and other places where the burdens on business made it possible for them to sell products here cheaper. I see greed on everybody’s part. Now we’re paying the price and Obama only want’s to continue to create more currency, raise taxes and increase government regulations which do nothing but add more cost onto the already artificially high priced American made goods.

        We can’t afford the give away programs to the rich, poor or otherwise and people need to get off of their posteriors and go to work. What good is pride when someone is dying of starvation and they can’t get anything to eat?

      • Mike in MI

        Maybe not in your town or regions, Michael. But that doesn’t mean his (Obama’s and his employer’s) plans in regard to roving brown shirts are not complete or haven’t been prepared by the people who tell Obama what to do. But, remember, they’ve planned this to be our final election and things could still go wrong regarding the overthrow.So they’re keeping their real surveillance and crowd-control (in brown shirts) forces under the table for now.
        But when the power mongers want/need to make the final power grab, they (the surveillance and controllers) be given their chance to go out and hold a good old-fashioned western style round-up. Only, they’ll be looking for certain religious groups (Jews and spirit-filled Christians), recently retired military (Brass and senior Non-coms) and freedom loving Americans (vocal ones first)…cattle and horses need not apply. That’s how they’ll start.
        Otherwise, people like you will, as in previous Marxian/Socialistic takeovers, be rewarded for being informants and spies to turn over your neighbors, parents, relatives and anybody who angers you for any (or no) reason. And, people like you will never be bothered by those hated, asocial vermin anymore.
        Then, without warning, these nice, “lovi-dovi”, sweetsounding, care and concren about all things soft and cudly, tame and wild, downtrodden and h-e-l-p-l-e-s-s/p-o-o-r/a-l-o-n-e will suddenly become power hungry, lshout in every direction, CONTROL FREAKS. Like you never saw before. Like a si-fi movie in real life. Enjoy yourself -It’ll probably be right up your . . . pantleg.

      • Flashy

        Katrael…. you do know that part of the Bush Giveaway to the wealthy (aka Bush Tax Cuts) contained a provision where we subsidize outsourcing of American manufacturing jobs overseas? Instead of targeting industries which will be needed to move forward to the high tech powerhouse of the 21st century, there are Conservative powers criticizing any such move as “wasteful” and insisting we continue subsidizing an energy source over 100 years old? That instead of cutting back on military expenditures…in theory unneeded as the wars wind down…the Conservatives are insisting on cutting student loans (or increasing the interest rate) or having any continuance come from cuts in programs which aid the Middle Class?

        Every day the GOP and the Radical Right/TP/American Taliban are kicking you in the teeth and telling you it feels good because it’s screwing the Middle Class and continuing the redistribution of wealth from your pockets to that of the wealthy and Big Corporate elite.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Flashy, first off I’m for cutting government gratuities to both business and labor. Anything that promotes businesses outsourcing to over seas is bad no matter who does it.

          Student loans? Since when should the government be in the student loan business? My opinion is that the government should stop granting student loans and forgive the ones that are out there already.

          Programs for the middle class? What programs?

          Redistribution of wealth to the rich? All we have to do to solve this problem is to stop gratuity programs of all sorts especially to big business then stop all corporate taxing so that the government can’t hide those taxes in the cost of goods and services the poor pay for and and the cost of products will fall and the poor will be able to buy more. Does anybody out there have the figures on how much tax the average corporation pays already…well I shouldn’t say pays but passes on from the consumer to the government?

          http://smallbusiness.chron.com/average-cost-corporate-taxes-12011.html
          Number of Returns Filed

          In 2008, the U.S. Internal Revenue Service received 5,847,221 corporate returns. However, only 3,183,821 of the corporate tax returns showed any net income. The remainder did not have net income and would not be subject to any tax. This means, the corporation did not make any money after subtracting expenses. When putting together a corporate tax return, the corporation starts with how much money it made through sales of goods or services. Then it subtracts out any business expenses to calculate net income. So, 2,663,400 corporations did not make any money after subtracting out expenses in 2008.
          Taxes Paid

          In 2008, corporations paid $228,522,752,000 of taxes during the year. This amount was on net income of $1,806,889,716,000. This is an average of $39,082 in taxes paid per corporation for all corporations that filed a return. For corporations that paid taxes, the average tax paid was $71,776.26.

          Where did that 228 billion come from? Out of the pockets of the people who bought their goods or services. Business that pay taxes only pass the money from the consumer to the government. You can see how the tax system works. If the business didn’t make a profit it doesn’t have to pay a tax and this is as it should be.

          Stop all corporate taxes now. Buy products and services locally and pay more if you have to but stop encouraging big businesses by buying their cheap stuff that only puts local business who can’t compete out of business or stop complaining about big businesses. It’s people like you who go to Walmart and buy their foreign made crap that is causing problems here.

          • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

            I agree with you Katrael

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Thanks Brad and now we need a lot more like us.

          • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

            Thank you, You bet we do Katrael

      • Opal the Gem

        and once again Flushy makes long posts without one shred of evidence to baqck up his spurious claims.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Opal the Gem, Flashy reminds me of a kid from my high school days who liked to pick fights he couldn’t win and he’d get his butt beat all of the time. I think that somehow it made him feel good? On the other hand…maybe he’s a plant on this site to find out who’s anti administration so he can report them so they can be dealt with? That’s pretty far out there isn’t it?

  • thunderstruckagain

    In obama’s own words (I’m still evolving) God gave us life, grace, and wisdom and a soul. It seems a waste the Obama has found none of that.

    • Michael

      People with normal minds are always growing and learning. Ideologues and zealots have minds locked in place. They run Iran – go there if that is the kind of country you yearn for.

  • http://incalllocator.wordpress.com incalllocator

    NObama in 2012! Come on people! I can’t belive how many americans are blind!

    • Michael

      The insane man always thinks it is the world around him that is insane, not him. Obama is the best president we have had in 50 years. He is not a whore to Big Biz and the Rich like most of his predecessors. Since about 1990 the Rich Right wing has been conditioning the public to believe government is the enemy but the real goal is to keep a government in place that keeps regular people down and the rich and powerful in charge. Obama is not their whore so they are after him big time – why else would they be willing to spend 100′s of millions of dollars to get rid of him? It is an investment in power and monetary return.

      • LAB

        OMG!!! Michael, wtf are YOU smokin’ dude!!!???

      • arktvlr

        MICHAEL, your comments sound like they are coming from a certified IDIOt.
        They are so childish, uninformed as to what is really happening around you,
        that it is difficult, if not impossible, to find a place to start debating your points.

        I wish you would JUST GO AWAYp

      • smithington

        You seem to know a lot about insanity…IDIOT!

      • http://personalliberty.com Redfray

        I’m wondering if there is a middle class in the socialist society?

        • http://firefox wog1

          Socialism does not work. That is a fact.

      • Gordon

        Persons who refused to acheive, who refuse to do their best in every area of their situation, who refused to get the best education available to them always complain that others are keeping them down. Wisdom and history teaches that you reap what you have sown. The great social experiement of the 60s has come to fruition. The dope smoking hippies are running this country and their ignorant lazy children and grandchildren are eligible to vote for more socialistic free rides to satiate and perpetuate their valueless existence. Extreme idealism of many conservatives has ushered in a socialistic tsunami and our Nation will suffer for generations to come. God Bless America…… NObama.

      • Dave67

        To all the people who say Socialism doesn’t work, that is true, But at the same time, neither does capitalism. Unless you can point to any country that has existed in the industrial and post-industrial revolutions that has been 100% capitalist. You can’t because it NEVER existed. Here is some reality…. Countries like Norway, Sweden, Germany, have a better standard of living than we do, better HC and yet are much more socialist than we are and they did not get sucked into the banking mess that we created. Why? The Gov has to be involved to some degree or another and you can have a valid discussion about how much of each is best.
        The right wing do love their bumpersticker politics…..

      • Sarah

        Michael You said it right, the white elephants in this room want to say different, but its clear, they have become delusional, with contempt, I also want to add, I have seen where some of these on this forum, has used the Lords name in vain, using 3 letters, shocking since they use the Christians in their propaganda.
        Thank You

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You and Sarah must like to lie to yourselves.
        Sarah, you have no idea what color anyone is that comments on this site. You also have no idea what religion the commenters are.

    • moonbeam

      I heard this said the other day from one who gets an SSI check every month, has free cell phone service (multiple phones), food stamps, free health care and other amenities courtesy of the American Taxpayer. “I like Obama because he gave us a raise on our checks.” This from the same person who once said “All I do is play all day.” Under my breath I’m saying I wouldn’t say that in front of folks who work hard and pay their taxes so that you can get high and play all day.

  • Polski

    I read all of these blogs/forums for amusement. My reaction is to read a comment the 2nd time and think “are you serious? Come on now”.

    But anyway, do you really think anyone with any common sense is going to forget what Dubya/Cheney did to us for 8 years? Republicans=horrible.
    Democrats=terrible. Politicians=crooks. CEOs= bigger crooks. Nothing is going to change. The crooks are in power. They make obscene amounts of money. They’re happy. Nothing is going to change.

    • MAP

      Polski, then you have come to the right site! Everything you say is indeed true. And it is reported here, seemingly without fear. What hope we can derive from our present situation can only come from unity, truth, facts, and purpose. Welcome aboard!

  • Sarah

    The whole article is DELUSIONAL a real right wing propaganda.

    • Michael

      Sarah, there are some serious ill people in this forum. You are not one of them – thanks.

      • Gordon

        Grandpa often said, “Never argue with an idiot, someone watching might not be able to tell the difference”. So why are you on a conservative site arguing with persons whom you consider mentally ill?

    • http://personalliberty.com Redfray

      Does a government check pay enough to buy a cell phone of some kind and still have money for food?

      • Gordon

        The gov will give some people a FREE cell phone and minutes to use at will every month. google it. There is actually a sign on the walls at the convenience stores advertising this.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Too bad that you cannot do your own reasoning but must be given cliches to post.
      If you are such a super duper “Christian”, why is it that you are lying about the posters.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Nadzieja Batki, Sarah may not be able to help herself as lying has become the favorite pastime for many in this country. We learn how to do it well from the time we first begin to learn to communicate verbally.

  • Doc Sarvis

    President Obama has proposed to reduce the military budget, it is the Republicans in Congress who are fighting that proposal. Our President got our combat troops our of Iraq ahead of schedule and has started the drawdown in Afghanistan – combat troops there are to be out by the end of 2014 I believe. It seems conservatives love to bash this President if he wants to maintain our current military OR bash him if he tries to pull back on our military.

    Everyone, including President Obama, wants to reduce our debt. [Actually, noted conservative and former Vice President/President Dick Cheney said that deficits don't matter] He has proposed ways to begin attacking the deficit including having those who have benefitted the most from our country’s various strengths, contribute more to our situation. This would ease the burden on the middle and lower classes allowing them to broaden and deepen our economic recovery. This porposal has, of course, been blocked by conservatives who want to continue to concentrate our country’s wealth in the top 1-2% of our population.

    Please tell me when President Obama proclaimed that the U.S. could “force its will on the world”. If you listened to President Obama with an open mind you would know that, while we are still a superpower, we have taken a hit; as have many other countries (some more than others) in this global economic downturn.

    If you think voting Mitt Romney into the White House will save us you probably are ignoring the fact that he is just a richer version of President Obama. A President Romney will further stick it to the middle class and further concentrate the wealth to just a few.

    • MAP

      A couple of points Doc.

      “conservatives who want to continue to concentrate our country’s wealth in the top 1-2% of our population” This is a Republican stance. Republican and conservative are NOT interchangeable terms. You use the leftist argument that always boils down to the two parties. The simple truth is conservatives have no party. Therefore, this argument is false and silly.

      “Please tell me when President Obama proclaimed…” Who care what he said. He is a habitual liar. He will say anything that he thinks we are stupid enough to believe.

      • Doc Sarvis

        A couple of points MAP.

        Is the Tea Party conservative? Didn’t Tea Party candidates run as Republicans? I know that not all Republicans are Tea Partiers.

        My statement; Please tell me when President Obama proclaimed that the U.S. could “force its will on the world” is asking a question of the author of the article, Mr. Myers. The article is lying if he is referring to something President Obama did not say.

      • MAP

        My points still stand, Doc.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Perhaps – in a very weak way.

      • eddie47d

        It’s funny Doc how they like to lump Democrats,Progressives,Liberals,Socialists and Communists together but how dare we lump Republicans,Conservatives ,Fascists and so forth together. In other words they can’t accept what may or may not be but we have to sit back and do so. They love adding to the confusion because they are confused.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          eddie47d, Yep you got it right you guys are commies all right. No doubt about it. Republican(small r) and conservative do go together but not fascists.

          Fascism,
          a political, philosophy, movement or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

          There is nothing in this that any conservative republican(small r) believe in.

          Get an education, learn to read then buy yourself a dictionary so you’ll know what the words mean.

          Actually, that definition above sounds more like what you guys stand for.

          • RichE

            What’s the small r mean?

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            RichE, the small r republican means someone who is for limited government that our country was founded on but doesn’t mean the modern Republican party who’s agenda is far different than the former.

      • eddie47d

        Fascist Germany,Italy and Spain all ran their government on the premise that dominating others would bring them a grand empire or to keep THEIR appropriate heritage in tact. Same with the right wing groups in America who vote Republican. The modern Progressive or even Democrats have no such desire. Totally opposite on equal rights issues.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          eddie47d, everybody is entitled to their opinion even if they are wrong. You point out something about Republicans that may, and I say may, be true. True republicans have no interest in “dominating others” and it’s interesting that again you offer nothing to prove your point. As MAP points out in his comment that conservatives don’t have a party affiliation such as Democrat or Republican. I’m very conservative but have no allegiance to the Republican party. I may support a candidate who’s individual platform I agree with but not the party as a whole. I believe this is true of most conservative republicans(small r).

          Apparently you are ignorant and don’t understand the definition of a “Fascist” style government, which the liberal progressive movement has more in common with than the conservative movement, and the republican form of government. Get an education, learn to read and get a good dictionary so you can learn to understand the meaning of the words you use.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Doc, Odrama talks out of one side of his mouth to the people and then distroys American values with his EO’s out of the other side. You are dilussional.

      • Doc Sarvis

        You wish.

      • Flashy

        Doc….truth doesn’t matter to the TP/Radical Right/American Taliban. Policies they espoused and even today call for more of gave us this mess we’re in. Facts, data, numbers, history, … none of it matters because it’s everyone else’s fault. Those that do realize the reality, well…they’re denigrated and insulted and put down as socialists, commies, degenerates, unpatriotic, lyin’ etc etc.

        heck…..they’ll deny the undeniable. And when they do get what they wished for? Why…it’s the fault of the Liberals!

        Ask for rational argument in support of whatever they’re contending…and it’s either a slam, rants and raves, or simply ignoring. Or…one of their tried and true methods…asking for someone to source the obvious.

        i used to be appalled at the TP Trilogy displayed here every day…Fear, hate, ignorance. Now I laugh. And i truly believe they don’t understand why most people are laughing at them! It’s become akin to being at a reunion, and they’re the Uncle Buck wandering around talking to himself and folks quietly whispering that perhaps it’s time someone looked into a ” nice home” for him.

      • Opal the Gem

        And Flashy the one proven to be a lier many times over posts yet again.

      • TML

        Flashy says, “Policies they espoused and even today call for more of gave us this mess we’re in.”

        I think that’s true regardless of what party occupies the White House. Interventionist policy created and trained the Taliban and Al-Qaida, armed Iraq against Iran (even though we also armed Iran through the Iran/Contra scandal), etc… Obama’s policies now of conquest and intervention (evident in the expansion of military actions across the Middle Eat) obviously thinks the solution to the problem is more of what created the problem… intervention. It requires the further printing of money to finance these wars, raising the debt limit, putting the country further into debt. Nah… the policies that Obama uses now is only more of the same that put us in this mess.

        Flashy says, “Ask for rational argument in support of whatever they’re contending…and it’s either a slam, rants and raves, or simply ignoring. Or…one of their tried and true methods…asking for someone to source the obvious.”

        Interesting, I always provide a rational argument, without slams, rants, raves, or ignorance…. And while I do sometimes ask for a source to support your assertions (since an assertion is not an obvious truth) … you rarely, if ever engage.

      • Flashy

        TML…i read your posts. Unfortunately, by the time i do read them it’s getting close to the time when i have to kick into high gear and satisfy those who sign the ol’ paycheck.

      • Mike in MI

        Ok, Doc S. and Fahloosschman, How many of the tens of thousands of Executive Orders Obama has signed do you think he bothered to read? Who authored all of those rules and regs, between vacations and golf or bball shootarounds?? Are they really the result of well thought out national policy…or just his personal preferences? Was it possible for anybody to peruse and ask about the provisions in any of the E.O.s or…do we not find out about them until we step on that particular rusty nail? Honestly ccan anybody get at them to read or question their contents or wisdom—before the elections? Think there’s any posibility any of them might have any effect on you and your freedom (–EVER?–). Surely not – nice, compliant, complaisant, little Bommie-commie-kids like you.
        Enjoy your traces. Just don’t ever try to be your own person. You’ll hit the barrier quick.

    • hanna

      But Doc..at least Romney loves his country and is Amerian.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Hanna,
        I am not sure where Ameria is. President Obama is an American and truly loves America. He is leading us out of very rough economic times.

      • Dave67

        Romney loves this country so much be breaks up US firms and makes over 100% on the deal then hides his money in offshore accounts… And he lobbied congress to keep HIS taxes lower than yours. God bless America.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Doc Sarvis,

        You write: “President Obama is an American and truly loves America.” Please provide proof of this statement. I have asked this of you before and not gotten a satisfactory response. Please do not attempt to provide as proof the fraudulent birth certificate. Feel free to address the fraudulent selective service registration and the SS number from the state of Connecticut.

        You write: “He is leading us out of very rough economic times.” Please provide evidence of this.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • DavidL

        To Bob Livingston:

        How do you know the birth certificate is fraudulent when it was authenticated by the State of Hawaii?

      • Dave67

        Bob,

        You know as well as I that the President has limited abilities to turn the economic ship around but since he took office, the unemployment rate has been on a downward trend (of course, you will cite the people dropping out of the labor force to counter and only when a more conservative president that is to your liking gets in, will any positive news be validated by people like you).

        How did the United States come out of the Great Depression? Was it spending cuts and low taxes? Do you have any info there? To get this country back, we need new trade, tax, education and spending policy that puts this country, this COUNTRY first, not corp America, they have no loyalty to the United States. Corptocracy needs to end in this country. Wealthy interests are served to keep the masses dumb in this country. Those interests give alot of money to the GOP and Democratic parties.

        Its time to end big money in politics.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Onward through the fog you will go following your master. Truck on baby, truck on!!!

      • Dave67

        DavidL says:
        May 9, 2012 at 9:57 am
        To Bob Livingston:

        How do you know the birth certificate is fraudulent when it was authenticated by the State of Hawaii?

        —————

        He has no proof… But its red meat to the tin hat wearing right wing loons. Bob never asked McCain for his BC when he was running. I wonder why that was?

      • Doc Sarvis

        Mr. Livingston,
        Flashy is right of course, if you would open your eyes and mind to my previous statements of fact you would be satisfied. Here are some more…
        Loves our country:
        He is leading our military and intelligence forces against terrorists who want to attack our country, can you say bin Laden?
        He gives credit to our military and intelligence forces for the vital work they do and their dedication
        He is trying to bring jobs back to our country – fighting the current policy of giving benefits to companies who ship jobs overseas
        He got our combat troops out of Iraq ahead of schedule – how many government timelines can say that?

        economy (I assume you would agree we are in very rough economic times):
        He took a chance to save the failing American auto industry and they now enjoy strong sales
        Employment is slowly rising
        He is trying to build up our lower and middle class – the vast majority of our population

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston:

        you write:
        “Dear Doc Sarvis,

        You write: “President Obama is an American and truly loves America.” Please provide proof of this statement. I have asked this of you before and not gotten a satisfactory response.”

        i am convinced that unless you were able to have a time machine to witness the live birth, nothing is acceptable as the mind is closed.

        Your stance stands alongside that of Portugese supporters and the arguments made to the Pope in 1493 which resulted in the Treaty of Tordesillas (1494).

        Spain argued that since there was no proof any Portugese had discovered any new lands in South America other than Brazil, it (South America) belonged to Spain. Portugal’s supporters cited the intense secrecy of the times in having all pilot logs confiscated so any new lands would not be subjected to claims by others and that THE TOTAL LACK OF PROOF was in reality indisputable proof that Portugese sailors had been there !

        In your stance, there is no valid or even close to valid proof President Obama was not born in the US..therefore, the argument is no proof that he was born outside the US means it’s indisputable proof he wasn’t.

        The burden should be on you to prove your stance to the “satisfaction” [your words] of those who say “malarkey” to the “birthers”. every court, every AG, every elections board certifying eligibility of presidential candidates…not one states Pres. Obama is ineligible to hold the office. seems to me with that … it’s up to the Birthers to “show the beef”

        Have a nice day.

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Flashy protest your lord to unseal his documents and let’s just see the actual truth, if there is nothing to hide!

      • Dave67

        And Brad,

        I am sure before you vote for ANY candidate, you DEMAND to see their BC right? I wonder why Obama deserves such investigation and not McCain who was born in Panama or Romney’s father that was born in Mexico when he ran for president over 40 years ago. But thats ok, its not like conservatives have anything positive they have done in the past 20 years to run on so why not continue to make stuff up.

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          To my knowledge no one else running for office has sealed their BC or academic records. Nothing to hide, great show the records prick

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          I’m all for vetting voters and elected officials. I know I have nothing to hide, but my guns and food from you liberal theives

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear DavidL.,

        This has not happened.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Doc Sarvis,

        Once again you have conveniently skipped the fraudulent birth certificate, selective service registration and SS number.

        You write: “…if you would open your eyes and mind to my previous statements of fact you would be satisfied.” There are few whose eyes are open wider than mine. You have not yet provided any statements of fact.

        You write: “He is leading our military and intelligence forces against terrorists who want to attack our country, can you say bin Laden?
        He gives credit to our military and intelligence forces for the vital work they do and their dedication
        He is trying to bring jobs back to our country – fighting the current policy of giving benefits to companies who ship jobs overseas
        He got our combat troops out of Iraq ahead of schedule – how many government timelines can say that?” I could challenge the veracity of each of these points, but even if true they are irrelevant as proof he loves America.

        You write: “economy (I assume you would agree we are in very rough economic times)” Yes.

        You write: “He took a chance to save the failing American auto industry and they now enjoy strong sales” What chance did he take? What he saved were union pensions at the expense of lien holders. The agreement violated bankruptcy laws. The car companies are “enjoying strong sales” only as a result of government subsidies (ie., money printing which is inflating).

        You write: “Employment is slowly rising” That is a lie. From shadowstats.com: The April payroll-survey employment gain of 115,000 was below already-weak consensus expectations, for a second month (although the headline March gain of 120,000 revised to 154,000), while the household survey showed an outright monthly employment contraction for the second month. None of the month-to-month changes were statistically significant, as usual, but year-to-year change in nonfarm payrolls has begun to slow markedly. The headline U.3 unemployment rate dropped a statistically insignificant notch to 8.1% in April, from 8.2% in March, but the “good” news was anything but good. The declining pace of headline unemployment reflected an accelerating increase in the number of the headline unemployed giving up looking for work, because there were no jobs to be had. The number of short-term discouraged workers increased by 103,000 in April, with the inclusive broader U.6 unemployment rate holding at 14.5% in April. The 103,000 pick up in the short-term discouraged workers, however, was net of those who rolled into long-term discouraged worker status (discouraged for more than a year) and simply disappeared from the government’s unemployment accounting. The SGS-Alternate Unemployment Measure, accordingly, notched higher in April to 22.3%, from 22.2% in March.

        You write: “He is trying to build up our lower and middle class – the vast majority of our population” Please provide evidence that he has put forth a plan that would accomplish this.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          I love it when you put these liberals in their place Bob. Thank you for this site. I think the closer we get to the end of this election the more some will fight to agree with us, but some might wise up to the truth. GOD Help US

      • Mike in MI

        Hey doxarabis –
        If Oblama’s Birth Certificate is so good-and-proper why did one of his official house lawyers say in a court in New Jersey earlier this week, I think was, that because it is an obviously fraudlent document with forged signature and text problems it can not be used as evidence in that particular hearing? The case was a challenge to him who should be in-a-Slammer-’Bammer getting on the ballot.
        Mind you, this was the O’Preszer’s legal rep.

      • Flashy

        Perhaps Mike that’s not what occurred. That story has been debunked several times over.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Dave67,

        You write: “…the unemployment rate has been on a downward trend (of course, you will cite the people dropping out of the labor force to counter and only when a more conservative president that is to your liking gets in, will any positive news be validated by people like you).” The truth is neither liberal nor conservative. It just is. See my response to Doc Sarvis above re: unemployment.

        You write: “How did the United States come out of the Great Depression? Was it spending cuts and low taxes?” Yes.

        You write: “Do you have any info there?” http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2008/12/higgs_on_the_gr.html

        You write: “Corptocracy (sic) needs to end in this country. Wealthy interests are served to keep the masses dumb in this country. Those interests give alot of money to the GOP and Democratic parties.” Agreed.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Flashy,

        And I am convinced you are an Obama sycophant and DNC operative who would not accept the truth if it slapped you in the face. I provide you with evidence of fraud. What say you?
        http://www.wnd.com/2011/09/342937/
        http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/arizona-sheriff-obama-birth-certificate-forged-15828337

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Bob, “which one of these things is not like the others; which one of these things just doesn’t belong?” Even a little kid could spot the differences. Flashy needs an eye transplant…opps maybe that’s a brain transplant he needs?

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Dave67,

        You write: “Bob never asked McCain for his BC when he was running. I wonder why that was?” McCain’s citizenship was vetted extensively by the U.S. Senate. Where were you when that was going on? Here is evidence of fraud.
        http://www.wnd.com/2011/09/342937/
        http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/arizona-sheriff-obama-birth-certificate-forged-15828337

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Mike in MI

        Mr. Bob Livingston -
        Thanks for the supporting documentation in your May 9, 1:10 p.m. post directed at Flashy. Your efforts and covering my back are much appreciated.
        I think Fahloosschman is a DNC operative, too. He just knows too much, too often, in too great detail to be just a run-of-the-mill doofus on the left. He might be a good one to listen to in order to find out where the left is going in the future – maybe have us forewarned and forearmed. Maybe…hopefully, catch him with his fore-skin peeled back and do a little circ. job.

    • Gordon

      That is political BS. We have, and are sending MORE troops to countries surrounding Afghanistan. The reduction “in” Afghanistan is a campaign ploy. My son has been notified of deployment to Krygistan leaving in October.

      • Mike in MI

        Gordon – Thank you, sir, for your wonderful son, his service and swift safe and successful return.
        After reading Doxarabis’ posts for awhile you figure out that he only reads what interests him (which isn’t very broad) or what agrees with him (which isn’t very deep) but he writes about anything and everything…which is his privilege. But don’t expect your answers to his posts to penetrate anything of any depth or cut across anything of any breadth. He’s like Ann Coulter’s chapter in her book “Demonic” where she discusses liberal’s verbal traits. Doc fits that template. He thinks and writes in platitudes and responds in cliches. Like Ann indicates, this programmed response template obviates thought, sidesteps realities and stirs hormones that whip up emotions in an instant toward programmed mob behavior – like in he Bible, Acts 19:21-29. Doc would be yelling, “Great is Diana, etc.” and contributing to filling everything with confusion. It’s a liberal trait.
        Doc would never think that “his” Administration wouldn’t conslt him about going to Kyrgizstan, or the African continent or Libya, or places in and around the Reformed Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Putin youd-d-d-r pbibe ‘n smoge e-eet.
        God bless.

      • THG 1956

        One of my best friends eaves for Iraq in a few days , yes hes bringing some home and sending more . I’m at Fort Benning I can tell you who comes and who goes . There’s just as many going as there is coming home ! Drink some more Cool-Aide and believe what you want or actually look at whats happening and know .

    • TML

      Doc Sarvis says, “President Obama has proposed to reduce the military budget, it is the Republicans in Congress who are fighting that proposal.”

      What Obama proposes, and what he does, is very often two different things. As you say he proposes a reduction in military budget, he recently signed the NDAA which increased the military budget.

      Doc Sarvis says, “Our President got our combat troops our of Iraq ahead of schedule and has started the drawdown in Afghanistan – combat troops there are to be out by the end of 2014 I believe.”

      Then you believe in correctly, as it has recently been said that there are plans to have troops in Afghanistan for a decade or more. He ran on a platform of bring our troops home, yet, shortly after being elected sent thousands more troops to Afghanistan and Pakistan…. and further increased imperialistic conquests across the Middle East as he bombed Yemen, conducted unjustified unilateral military action against a sovereign in Libya, and has his eyes on Syria, Iran, and even China.

      Doc Sarvis says, “…bash him if he tries to pull back on our military.

      Won’t hear that from me.

      Doc Sarvis says, “Everyone, including President Obama, wants to reduce our debt.”

      Yet has nearly doubled the debt in just 3 years

      Doc Sarvis says, “Please tell me when President Obama proclaimed that the U.S. could “force its will on the world”. If you listened to President Obama with an open mind you would know that, while we are still a superpower, we have taken a hit; as have many other countries (some more than others) in this global economic downturn.”

      I do listen with an open mind, and see the conquests which he expanded over the entire Middle East, which has not helped our economy of debt in search of terrorist boogeymen that we helped create, and we seek to remedy the problem with the same interventionist policies that created the problem in the first place.

      Doc Sarvis says, “If you think voting Mitt Romney into the White House will save us you probably are ignoring the fact that he is just a richer version of President Obama. A President Romney will further stick it to the middle class and further concentrate the wealth to just a few.”

      I do not think Romney will be any better than Obama.

      • Flashy

        TML…interesting thoughts. While i have several questions in re; foreign policy, the one area i don’t have much in question is the ME policy of this admin., ave perhaps the latest Afghan deal…which i’m still thinking through.

        Let’s run a short discussion per country.
        =Tunisia…US was a behind the scenes player giving moral support to the Spring.
        = Egypt..again, moral support, in the open and active in diplomatic circles in convincing Mubarek it was time to leave. Since then, using economic means to play the game and keeping Egypt out of radical Islamic influence.
        =Libya. sent in the air power, ctive in information sharing, kept weapons from flowing to Qaddafi supporters. Since then, little or no open intervention or presence. And the result is Qaddafi is no longer around…
        =Yemen. Using drones to snuff self proclaimed enemies. That’s bad?
        =Syria. Again, getting rid of Assad forwards Arab society in gaining influence over state affairs and puts a huge dent in Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran. no physical presence. That’s bad?
        =Iran. Obama has them so tied up a mummy has more freedom to operate. Computer hacking and viruses, shutting down oil ports, working with Israeli ops and the nuke scientists disappearing, economic sanctions tightened to the point of strangulation, and building a coalition of oil reserves to enable the world to operate semi normally should Iran block the Strait of Hormuz. As of yet, no real sabre rattling as it isn’t needed to keep the Iranians in check. Bad?
        =Iraq. we’re out and playing the diplomatic and economic game.
        =Pakistan. Still trying to figure this one out. Obviously something is going on behind the scenes. I suspect it has to do with India and the recent missile tests sending a message. Obviously there is a major anti-American contingent in their government in Pakistan….and snuffing bin Laden was a calculated risk in international relations.
        =Afghanistan. here’s where I’m flummoxed for the moment. The game being played in Afghanistan isn’t just chess…it’s 3D chess with Poker tossed in. Yes….the pact was signed. With Karzai, a corrupt puppet installed by Bush II/Cheney. Notable is the safe passage given by the US to the Taliban to move the engagement of dialogue forward, the troop pull back from major offensive operations, and the dealings with India and Pakistan. My thoughts are solidifying that the 2024 presence is on paper only, and is being used as a card to play in negotiating with the Taliban. Karzai is a non entity, and recognized by everyone as being a necessary presence if only as a tool of realpolitik negotiations. I doubt he’ll survive another year in office, perhaps two..before being given safe passage out. I foresee a coalition government with Taliban presence and we exit quietly to let the Afghans sort it out themselves with everyone starting even up at the gate. And a pledge/warning if they allow anything remotely like a terrorist cell/center to exist … the deal is off.

        So..there ya go … preliminary thoughts and opinion in response.

      • TML

        Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan… you seem to have admitted, and even support, an imperialist conquest across the Middle East. We could argue all day, with no progress, concerning a subjective judgment of whether these interventions are “good” or “bad”… but, what I would like to draw the debatable question to, is the unintended consequences that more often result from intervention, not only based on the American historic record, but any nation in human history.

        “= Tunisia…US was a behind the scenes player giving moral support to the Spring.”

        The United States has had good relations for almost 200 years from what I understand, with no treaty of military alliance. Although, typical unconditional support of Israel nearly once damaged that relationship after Israel bombed them, and felt we were involved as well.

        “= Egypt..again, moral support, in the open and active in diplomatic circles in convincing Mubarek it was time to leave. Since then, using economic means to play the game and keeping Egypt out of radical Islamic influence.”

        More than moral support… we gave financial support to their Military to oust Mubarak and arming the revolutionaries, who, could have held within their ranks the very terrorist we seek. The interventionist ‘economic’ means of playing a game is exactly what draws hatred toward us, and therefore serves no interest to the United States, and again, largely a part of unconditional support and to gain favor of Israel. Has any of this truly kept Islamic influence out of Egypt… a country predominantly Muslim since Saladin in the 3rd Crusade? No… and runs the risk of consequence similar to Iran.

        “=Libya. sent in the air power, ctive in information sharing, kept weapons from flowing to Qaddafi supporters. Since then, little or no open intervention or presence. And the result is Qaddafi is no longer around…”

        But this was an unjustified unilateral military action… again supporting revolutionaries which, in a Muslim country, could be the very terrorist most Americans fear. Qaddafi, while not my favorite man to say the least, was a sovereign, and had not right, and serves no real interest to the United States. Surely you do not claim to take these actions as part of a greater good, as the theist does, to justify actions counter to the rule of law.

        “=Yemen. Using drones to snuff self proclaimed enemies. That’s bad?”

        Yes, because there is no rule of law. Using only the information you provide here… The country itself did not proclaim itself an enemy, nor declare war… instead, it was what you might call radical Islamists, speaking freely to proclaim themselves opponents. Is this how we treat protestors, proclaiming themselves enemies of a State? Using drones to snuff them out? Bad? Because it is ignorant of the rule of law and sovereignty of a foreign nation… I say yes, its bad.

        “=Syria. Again, getting rid of Assad forwards Arab society in gaining influence over state affairs and puts a huge dent in Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran. no physical presence. That’s bad?”

        Again, possible assisting the very ‘radicals’ you fear gaining control, and ousting a sovereign leader because he isn’t a good one. Even that ally Tunisia condemns any intervention by force. I mention these ideas of arming those who could be our enemy, and doing so under the auspices of whatever current interest, because that same kind of intervention is what gave us many current problems. Al-Qaida and Taliban were armed and trained to fight against Russia during their invasion of Afghanistan… we were the liberators come to save the day… and what happened? Hezbollah was created in response the Israel invasion of Lebanon. Hamas also was created in response the Palestine occupation by Israel… and being unconditional supporters of Israel, has brought hatred against us the same as nearly did with Tunisia. Need I say more?

        “=Iran. Obama has them so tied up a mummy has more freedom to operate. Computer hacking and viruses, shutting down oil ports, working with Israeli ops and the nuke scientists disappearing, economic sanctions tightened to the point of strangulation, and building a coalition of oil reserves to enable the world to operate semi normally should Iran block the Strait of Hormuz. As of yet, no real sabre rattling as it isn’t needed to keep the Iranians in check. Bad?”

        You say these things as if you expect me to think them ‘good’. I don’t. You speak of economic strangulation, etc… without any consideration for the people such action actually effects? It strangles the most innocent people first. Bad? Yes! I’m sure I shouldn’t have to remind you that our over-throw of Mossadegh and the first vestiges of democracy along with him, in order to re-install the Pro-US dictator who ruled them with an iron fist, largely for the sake of oil cemented resentment of the US and created an enemy in the people. But… that’s ok, because he was a Pro-US dictator that mistreated his people, as opposed to one like Qaddaffi, who was no better… he just wasn’t Pro- US, so had to go… right?

        “=Iraq. we’re out and playing the diplomatic and economic game.”

        Playing the diplomatic game always runs the risk of losing. It is equally possible in this game that those unfriendly to the US could win. After all… we killed over half a million innocent Iraqis to bring them a system we think is best for them, and forced “free” elections upon them, when they never even wanted us there.

        “=Pakistan. Still trying to figure this one out. Obviously something is going on behind the scenes. I suspect it has to do with India and the recent missile tests sending a message.”

        Pakistan and India are two of the only four countries no party to the Non-Proliferation Treaty (the other two being North Korea and Israel (but it’s ok for Israel because we approve of them right?) … we should let Pakistan and India handle it between themselves. We have no viable interest there except to play the hegemony game, which historically almost always back fires.

        “Obviously there is a major anti-American contingent in their government in Pakistan….”

        Obviously… and I think we can guess why.

        “=Afghanistan. With Karzai, a corrupt puppet installed by Bush II/Cheney.”

        Much like Iran’s Shah, eh?

        I find it to be an inescapable fact that playing games with other nations (as you say), interventions, unconditional support, across the named nations of the entire Middle East can be defined as anything short of imperialism, and world conquest.

        While you may be in favor of these things, however you would like to rationalize them, they are not policies which reflect the wisdom and founding of this country. Imperialism is not progress, but regression to political ideas of the past which work against the people.

        Imperialist policy has not served to the benefits or interest within the United States… and accordingly, all Empires has destroyed themselves the same way.

        These policies created the problems we face today, yet are being used to try and fix the problem by both Democrat and Republican alike.

        America has been in search of monsters to destroy ever since horrors of Hitler (our last justified war) and accordingly her principle has insensibly changed from liberty to force and has become the dictatress of the world.

        “Even today, there is little value in ensuring the survival of our nation, if our traditions do not survive with it” – John F Kennedy

  • Sarah

    Another Liberty Carnival side show, with lots of tall tale’s and some humor to boot, its like Romney saying, he deserves some credit for bailing out the auto makers, lol, now we all know that’s delusional. Liberty you better get your facts straight.

  • Richard Vandervort

    A Lunatic At Large!

    I’ve said this all to many times that we’ve allowed a Lunatic loose in the White House but few have listened.
    Obama has done so many things to destroying this country but this move takes the cake and it seems that many of the American citizens are still asleep to the immanent danger.
    No longer do we have free speech when everything you say becomes racist.
    This Illegal sitting President with the stroke of a pen is handing over our very freedom as well as the sovereignty of our nation to the control of foreign nations with one more executive order.
    We can not allow Obama to get away with this one because the signing of a U. N. Resolution that gives away our control over our territorial waters, Free Trade, Industrial Technology, Gun Rights and our Financial System will forever enslave all of our citizen to the whims of outside countries.
    Many Americans struggle to feed and house their family’s today but what will be their plight when they find out their paycheck will be reduced to pay for foreign family’s too.
    Obama has realized the real chance of not winning another election so now by the powers of executive orders is fast tracking all the damaging orders he can to fulfil his One World Order Agenda.
    Voting Obama is no longer good enough and he must be removed for his ineligibility to hold office where we can make all that he’s done Null and Void.
    To allow Obama to finish his term will place all elected there after to abide by the international agreements he’s signing now and forcing our citizens to live under these laws too.
    This administration has been getting ready for a public revolution in this country because they know that the American public will never submit to living under international law wilfully and their preparing to use force to doing it now.
    The French and Russia have just went back under Socialist power and most all other nations are controlled by socialist too and we all know Obama’s a socialist as well and the hand writing on the wall as to what comes next for America.
    Freedom was a gift given to us all by our Founding Fathers and preserved by the blood of many to preserving it for so many years, Are we ready to just allow one Lunatic to just give our freedom away with out a fight?
    May God Bless America and All that will fight for Her!

    • Mike in MI

      Mr. Vandervort –
      There is nothing requirig us to be bound by those treaties – if that’s what they are. They Senate must also give advice and consent on treaties. If not we aren’t bound – unless there is some sort of special meaning to this O’Preszer giving away his autograph like bill clinton puting his mark on every firehydrant , tree and leg he happenned upon.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Nope POTUS dose not need congress to sign a treaty. EO is just fine. Scary time my friends.

  • Forth Right

    wow! some commercial, what a president! he did all that? Goebels would of been proud. too bad it’s all lies, propaganda. I can’t wait when he’s re-elected and the drones, the brain washed masses, the utopians, the unions are all out of work, impoverished, waiting in long lines, basically living in Catro’s USSA.

    for me, I’ll be long gone and I’m not telling where.

  • Richard Vandervort

    I can only assume that any Monkey business done in Washington is now Ok seeing as the Head Chimp leads this Vile pack of animals in the Washington zoo.
    We can sit back and leave things as they are or we can start acting like true Americans and go into attack mode and fight back.
    Let’s show the great one that he’s not above the laws of man even though he thinks he’s above the law it self.
    We can demand legally that all candidates running for office be E-Verified before they can be placed on the voters Ballot including incumbents for a start.
    Secondly we can demand that all voting machines print a receipt of the voters cast votes so they can be verified then placed in a Ballot Box as a verifying electoral count.
    Thirdly we can demand the requirements of Photo ID be used for any and all wishing to cast a vote during the election process.
    We can make a change and all that’s needed is to unite and fight back for our rights to be free.

    • Mike in MI

      Richard Vanderv. -
      Fighting back in the way you envision would be the most ridiculous and destructive thing you could do…exactly what they want. Call for martial law and cancel the elections. Then govern by edict. What makes you think you’d ever have a say in your government again? ‘Tain’t likely, Magoo.
      Even if somebody assassinated the O’Preszer what makes you think they don’t have twenty more like him – or worse – waiting in the wings.
      We’re in such a mess you better get down on your Dutch Reformed knobbley knees and start prayin’ constantly for, “Kings and all those in authority that we may live quiet and peaceable lives in all godliness and honesty.” Then trust God to work out the details. It
      doesn’t say anything about armed insurrection.
      The resurrection gives you far more power than what ever comes out the barrel of a gun. Best thing is nobody can ever point their finger at you because they can ‘t reconstruct a line of evidence from God.
      Now it is true that that is the reason the Devil wants to get rid of Christians and those “lyin’ Bibbles”. But every time he starts hitting believers the Devil pays a big price. Uncommitted ones don’t cost him a thing. Needless to say The Devil owns the rest who don’t believe God raised Jesus Christ from the dead and said I want him for my Boss.
      Mark my words: one of these days they are going to come looking for your Bibles and study materials They are not making a big thing about it …yet. They will because it’s the only thing the Devils fear…God and His Word. “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and THE WORD WAS GOD” . The Word carries the authority and the raw energetic power that ws necessary in the beginning to create everything. If you know how to access that and know how to enlist God’s assistance you’re someone to be reckoned with – and Satan will go around you. If you don’t he’ll go over you and drag you indefinitely.

      • Richard Vandervort

        Mike, Where did you see me saying for anyone to pick up a gun to make any demands? The only way that I would ever suggest something like that woul be if it was the only means left for protecting life.
        Put enough people in the streets of Washington and every major city voicing their demands and nothing moves until demands should be enough.
        Going to arms should always be a last endeavor in any situation.

  • Michael

    The conclusions in this article are nothing short of pathological paranoid delusions. The rich have NEVER been richer than right now. We are in the golden age of greed. Manufacturing jobs have collapsed because of the REPUBLICAN sellout to Big Biz’s new strategy of driving labor prices down by mass outsourcing of jobs and industries to low wage countries like China and India. It is insanity to blame unions for any of this.

    • Raggs

      Can you say NAFTA you know the little thing Clinton did that pushed our jobs overseas.

      • Michael

        NAFTA was a creation of the REPUBLICAN right that Clinton foolishly agreed to. I remember if well… at first there was a lot of complaining that Mexico and the other low wage countries were not abiding by the rules in NAFTA to treat their workers better but eventually that farce faded away because NAFTA was always a Trojan Horse to cheap labor.

      • Gordon

        All you people need to recognize the fact that things like NAFTA, etc. are planned and executed by those manipulating the entire world situations. Sure, you will deny it, and probably never actually realize it, but things are planned out for decades in advance. In 1977 Clinton was announced as POTUS in 1996. The whole situation is like a Monopoly game: The Bildebergers and Rothchilds running the whole show. Arguing will not change the facts.

      • 45caliber

        Michael:

        Clinton didn’t “foolishly agree to”. He was in there pushing it hard, along with a lot of other Demos. He knew exactly what it was and even expanded on it.

      • Flashy

        And NAFTA would have been favorable had the Bush II/Cheney regime not taken the stance that our laws did not apply to any goods shipped to this country or to factories sited in Mexico, but that Mexico’s laws did apply to us.

    • Dennis

      Your right, the blame should start with your boy, little Billy Clinton, even thow it goes further back than him, he was and is one of the biggest pushers for the fall of America, or he was until Obama came along.
      You can add Reagan, Carter and the Bushs to that list as well, and if Romney wins add him to.
      Wake up.

      • Smithkowitz

        Thanks Dennis, I hope more people read what you wrote and see the connection.

    • old hillbilly

      Global monopolists in rhino clothes systematically took over US manufacturing, resource development, and financial empires. They sold global unity and BIG, as strength and unity! They then proceeded to sack the US treasury and wealth to build new manufacturing infrastructure in Communist China and elsewhere, under the same old US names. Simultaneously, their radical followers obstructed and chanted until we believed that our God given resources are toxic and evil and had to be “regulated” by anointed elitists. Magically, China suddenly had enough factories and obedient slave laborers to supply the US and world. America finds itself unable to compete and fast approaching unable to maintain skills and knowledge required to even feed itself! The old factories were bulldozed and turned into parking lots, parks, retail malls, and “space”. Elitists regulated mining, energy extraction, and resource development into a state of prohibition! Simultaneously, China is exploiting those same resources, polluting far more that we ever did… to produce and deliver the goods we need to survive. That leaves us with the great American global service and nanotechnology! We know how to eat but can’t make a spoon or knife!

      We are now experts in bringing the stuff we need to live from the port of import to the cave we’re going to be living in. As the goods came in, our money went out. As money runs out, our IOU’s will replace it until there is no wealth left to mortgage! The hype was “get a good education, retrain, multitask…”! Because a Chinese engineer would rather have Mao send him a bowl of rice to his cubicle than work in the rice field (or starve), he produces all the nanotechnology the big world needs. Because American engineers would rather work shuffling paper and regulating for the government for $100K++ or be on welfare than work for bowls of rice for his controlled family of three… US nanotechnology is watching the economy shrink into oblivion!

      Obviously, the monopoly that is sucking the life out of America is a coalition of global monopolists and Communists with dreams of global communism. Based on the nature of the beasts, both sides are confident they have the upper hand and will end up in absolute merciless control of everything (remember goldfinger and Mau…?) One makes everybody wish they were dead – the other kills everybody.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Y’ Old Hillbilly you are pretty bright and I would like to know when you are running for the POTUS, because we need a guy like you immediately. Please run and run fast. :)

      • Mike in MI

        Brad – you’re right. It struck me, also, how that old coot is pretty savvy and a good writer – like…a pro.
        But those old hillbillies can’t run anyplace fast…except on side hills. They’ve all got one shot leg and it makes them go in circles on the flats. ‘Course…that could be an advantage in D.C.

  • Dennis

    Things to watch, if you haven’t already.
    Youtube Video, all free to view.

    Invisible Empire
    Fall of The Republic
    End Game
    The Obama Deception
    Police State 4 The Rise of FEMA
    Loose Change

    I call these Eye Openers, see for yourself.

  • Raggs

    Lets not forget that it was oblama that had the US credit rating downgraded for the FIRST time in history….

    • Dave67

      Lets also not forget the report on the credit downgrade specifically cited GOP obstructionism for the downgrade. Why don’t you read the S&P report? Oh yeah… I keep forgetting… Knowledge, books… they are like kryptonite to a conservative.

      • old hillbilly

        Don’t remember Barnyard Twiddle Crispy Dudd? $120 loan on a $100 phoney appraisal for an $80 list price asset that might sell at auction for $50- a man-date that couldn’t be refused.

        happy grunts spend new wealth & home
        wealth gone
        home gone
        grunts broke, homeless, & on the street instead of the old used-to be home
        trillions vanishes
        & nothing happens to twiddles & dudd

      • Mike in MI

        Got a damned short memory on how that one went down, don’cha, Davey -
        At first they came out waving the right arm around pointing the finger threatening that Obama had to change our fiscal policy.
        Obama squealed like a stuck pig and they both disappeared for a week.
        Then they came back out and the guy started waving his left arm around and pointing his finger at the obstructionists on the right whose racism hinders fundamental change. He would have waved his right arm at a downgrade but it was downgraded – being in a cast, and all.
        And there was Brak…grinnin’ like the Chesshire Cat in Allicin Wunnerlayund.

  • http://www.cindynel.co.za peter

    There are only two peoples on the planet. Those who control and those who are controlled. That will not change and if slavery is the only option left in order to control then that is what the controllers will be prepared to resort to. Whether Obama, Romney or the Head Waiter at Mikes Tavern is designated as the next potus, the rules remain the same. That is exactly why Obama said: why don’t they just shut up and obey me! He knows the rules and we are in trouble. Those in power at the top already know the president in waiting ( surely they have decided to keep Obama as he has carried out their will quite adequately) so it is more of the same ahead. As they say in the classics; If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen. There is an incredibly bumpy road ahead, so all that can be said is keep your wits about you and good luck. Putting your faith in Obama, Romney or any one else is futile. Be not misled by any other man, whoever he may be. Stay true to yourself and look within for the courage and determination which you will need to survive the coming mayhem. Guaranteed to test you to the absolute limit. Amen.

  • Dave67

    Once again… Sky is falling right wing loons do not get it…

    The 1950′s are over and they are not coming back…. get over it.

    Who sold out our manufacturing base?
    Who started us down the road of tax cut and spend?
    Who deregulated the banks and wall street?
    Who started un-nessecary wars (which included Vietnam BTW and goes up to Iraq)

    Those are the people to blame, Obama is merely the latest in the line that includes, Johnson, Reagan, Nixon, Bush, and Clinton that have done their part to take this country down. Compared to those president’s Obama hasn’t done much to hurt this country comparitively.

    The right wing loons love to talk about oil now and try to blame Obama on that but do they really want Gov control of the oil industry? Of course not… They would howl if Obama did any such thing. Obama can do nothing right in right wing loon land.

    Yet the rich in this country have not done any better in the past 30 years since the robber barron era… But that is Obama’s fault too….

    Conservatism is a mental disease

    • MAP

      And we can believe this. It comes from a far-left wing, foaming-at-the-mouth, nutcase.

      • LAB

        Well said MAP

      • Dave67

        And of course we can believe your extremist right wing rhetoric can’t we? You conservatives had your chances starting with that fool Reagan and from 2000-2006 your side did so much damage to this country, that it will take decades to recover… But we should give the right wing another chance right? LOL

    • http://firefox wog1

      Many people were killed in Vietnam needlessly and it was not the Republican fault. The Democrats pulled us out and it is not communist. Loss of freedom and loss of life that is what it is all about. We have really progressed but that is going “FORWARD”.

  • dave

    Until you have term limits in congress also, nothing is going to change, you have people in there thats been in their so long they have no clue on whats going on with unemployment, housing , illegal immigration, so on. That goes for the entire bureaucracy in washington, do you really think for one minute that these old congressman are making these decisions, really they are 75-90 years old and senile. there are just figure heads. If we had term limits, we can at least have a chance to revive our consitution, etc. to make this country great again. Wake up thats the bottom line, time to flush out washington and get back control of this country.

    • 45caliber

      dave:

      And at least one Congressman (forgot who) wants to eliminate the 8 year time limit for President because Oblama ‘deserves’ to rule … ah … serve longer.

      • Flashy

        45….just for kicks…can you name the last winning ticket of the GOP Presidencies which did not have a Bush or a Nixon on the ballot as VP or P? Here’s another question for you (let’s give some folks nightmares shall we? LOL). Would Obama be ineligible to run as a VP in 2016 with Hillary or Biden running for the top slot?

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          he has to be a national citizen to run for POTUS or VP, I don’t think he is and as pointed out NJ court ruled in favor of Obamas attny. the BC could not be used as it is a fraudulent fake.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        sorry that should read natural citzen

  • Jean-Claude

    John ,you know too well :you are wrong and you are misleading the nation.Show your true face.Is honesty a vilain word for you guys ,in the media ? If the politicians are to blame ,you guys,hypocrits and directors of conscience are to blame ten ( 10 ) times .

  • Power To The People

    Doc, are you drinking the kool aid this morning? Obummer wants to reduce the debt!!! He and the merry band of crooks in Congress double down on the debt and then tell us faithful followers/slaves that they will do what is necessary to reduce the debt! Give me a break….WTF!

    The crooks have stolen from this country for years. The current organizer/Prez/Vacationer in Chief is a pure Facist. His vision of America is certainly not mine and God save us if he is re-elected.

    • Dennis48e

      It is projected that obama’s spending plan will increase the debt by 1 trillion + for years to come.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        sure that makes lots of sense, spend, spend, like no tomorrow because if you keep spending there will be no tomorrow.

  • Wyatt

    With everyone so unhappy about conditions in America I hope they have learned a lesson . Being politically correct is a very dangerous thing . A candidate of of color is elected because nobody was to be labeled racist . Disregard the fact that the guy had been a nothing lawyer and had been a community organizer backed by far left leaning organizations . Disregard that he was a irst term Senator who had done absolutely NOTHING is the Senate . Who was absent the vast majority of the time missing Senate votes because he was to busy planning how to get elected president . In this rush to be politically correct , they over looked the guys beliefs and even his eligibility to even run for office .

    Well , I hope they are real happy , They elected not a leader with dreams of greatness , but one with a vision to destroy America . A Communist who was raised to believe in the Marxist ideal. Who believes only in the power of the state , not the people who make up the state . Elect a Communist , you get Communism plane and simple ! If indeed we get to the elections scheduled this November , I pray the voters let this guy know exactly what they think and vote him out in such a manner that he will never return to politics in any capacity and so resoundingly that his rigged vote count system can not affect the process . As Americans , we must defeat Communism at the polls and show this guy the door . And also insure that ALL seeking the office are actually Americans Eligible to Run For the Office of President

  • ShovelHead

    I’m not a smart man, but we are sticking our noses in every conflick around the globe. If we are going to help out other countries, we should be compencaded for providing protection if our troops are deployed, the country we are helping out should pay for our services. The government is sending so much money and supplies to other places to help rebuild or to take care of , we need to stop sending billions to other countries and keep it in our own country or we can start rebuild our Great Nation helping out the American People to get back on our feet instead of giving it away to someone else. Get rid of the unions that drives up the cost of everything.If they can send billions and billions every where else they could have given it to the companies to keep the jobs and businesses here in the United States. Like I send I’m not a smart man but this is just common sense.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Shovelhead, the US government or tax apyers dont need to give anything to any countries or to companies. All we need is a zero corprate tax and the jobs will come home and the wealth of the great charitible people of America will provide for the disabled

  • Randolph Rivers

    The video says saved jobs…what happened to saved or created jobs? Auto rescue…has ALL the money been paid back…answer NO. Next lie please…Wall Street did not wreck our economy… did obamo forget about Freddie and Fannie…next lie…health care…here pay me for five years then you get some of the money back if you use one of OUR programs “GOVERNMENT RUN PROGRAM” your too stupid to make your own choice. Next lie…and over here he persevered…no he went around Congress…he lied…he ignored the Constitution…I stop watching the hollow wood hype movie. That’s all the lies I can deal with today. Wake up America is a not what the media reports because they don’t report anymore they just feed the stupid the party line. Communist party line. Get used to it because you will be standing in lots of lines when the rationing starts. Stupid 50%, GOD help us rid the world of this evil ideology.

  • smithington

    VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN NOVEMBER 2012!!! Tell everyone you know to do the same if you want to save this country, not only for yourselves, but also for your children and grandchildren. If Obama is reelected, it will be the END of our once great country. MARK MY WORDS!!

    • Dennis

      I’m in, Ron Paul 2012, He is your last chance.

  • tom

    CANT WAIT FOR NOVEMBER .- OBAMA GONE .- ALL HIS EXECUTIVE ORDERS
    ANNULLED.- THE REVIVAL OF AMERICA .- AMERICA REBORN WITH A
    NEW SHERIFF IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND HIS NAME IS MITT ROMNEY .-
    AMERICA UNITE SO WE CAN GET RID OF THE SOCIALIST DECEASE.-

    • Dennis

      Look at this, Can you see kit yet, you just keep replaceing one decease with another.
      If you wan’t the cure this decease vote Ron Paul 2012

  • Merriel

    This is BS!

  • “Dallas”

    To those who publicly profess to be “Liberal” and vote that way, consider what began about the mid 1950’s and has evolved into what exists today:
    Parental disobedience. (Don’t listen to your Parents, we know better.)
    Civil disobedience, (Protest/Mob rule)
    Judicial disobedience. (Laws are meaningless, no consequences)
    Constitutional disobedience. (Bastardization of the Constitution, particularly the First Amendment.)
    Moral disobedience. (Rampant murder, Abortion, open Homosexuality, open Gay Rights, Same sex marriage, open promiscuity, blatant corruption and on and on.)
    Religious disobedience. (Civil and/or Sacramental Marriage, no longer necessary, 51% simply live together. Divorce/like playing musical chairs, recreational sex,)
    and on and on.

    That’s the legacy Liberals/Liberalism is leaving, YOU OWN IT, LOCK, STOCK and BARREL!

    Liberalism is destroying this great country. where we were once admired, respected and envied. My heart is saddened every time I think of the 240,000 of my generation who gave their lives in WWII for this disrespectful and undeserving segment of society.

    THANK YOU FATHER, that I was able to experience almost a third of my life (34 years) under the influence of Conservative values where we were taught “to never bring shame upon ones family”, whereas today, a Biblical quote: “They will glory in their own shame.”, unquote..
    We should all be thinking of a phrase that’s going around today, quote: “When you’re digging and you find yourself in a hole, STOP DIGGING.”, unquote.
    MAY GOD HAVE MERCY UPON THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA and restore HIS LAWS and PRECEPTS!

    • Dave67

      Ummm… for the past 30 years we have been under the Reagan conservative disease….. Or did you forget? Was Reagan, Bush, Bush 2 liberal? Was the Congress from 1994-2006 liberal? No…. So get over yourself. Conservatism, once again is a mental disorder.

      • “Dallas”

        You missed the point, “Liberalism” by it’s own definition is an evil ie: Webster: “Liberalism, freedom FROM restriction.” Early Webster publications had it “Freedom from restriction, EVEN MORAL LAW.” However, Liberals apparently didn’t like that. so they removed “even Moral law.” “When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.”

      • Dave67

        No Dallas, that is YOUR definition. Liberalism as practiced in this country means more accepting of change, more accepting of others… the same thinking that got equal rights for minorities and the right to vote for women. The conservatives of that time, fought tooth and nail against those freedoms. I am a liberal and proud of it. I probably have a greater moral fiber than you do. So you cannot paint liberalism wich your brush like that. It doesn’t work here in the real world.

      • Jake the Snake

        Raygun Bust the 1st and bush the 2nd wered liberals wrapped in ‘conservative’ rhetoric. And too many sheeple bought it hook, line and sinker.

      • “Dallas”

        That is not my definition, Simply look it up!
        As a proclaimed “Liberal”, you can’t speak for Conservatism. To do so you have to have been there and done that. Strange, that I have heard of TRUE Liberals becoming Conservative, but I have yet to hear of a TRUE Conservative becoming a TRUE Liberal. Wonder why?

        Also, TRUE FREEDOM requires individual responsibility, (common sense serves very well), not blatant irresponsibility, (stupidity) The Liberal view of Civil and Moral Law is that they can change anything by one’s “glibness”, as is so prevalent in the legal profession, ie:)bastardization of the Constitution.)

        As to your “Moral Fiber”, I’d like your view(s) on Gay Rights, Abortion, Freedom of Religion, Sacrament of Marriage and etc., since you mentioned it.

      • Dave67

        Dallas, and yet you judge all liberals… Funny…. You asked a direct question so I will give you my answers:

        Gay Rights, I am assuming you mean same sex marriage. In the eyes of the government, marriage is a legal contract, and people have the right to engage in that contract without prejudice, in other words… freedom… Unless you can give me proof that same sex marriage hurts you, society or the institution of marriage (which you can’t), then homosexuals should be allowed to marry, divorce with all the rights and responsibilities therein.

        Abortion: I would like to see the practice end, but its not done by passing laws that restrict the freedom of the woman over her body and sexuality. Its done by addressing the social and economic reasons why women seek them.

        Freedom of Religion: I believe people whould have the freedom to believe or not believe in any religion they wish as long as it does not hurt anyone else. Religion should be OUT of the government because everyone does not have the same views on god and religion.

        Sacrament of Marriage: I believe in commitment myself and when I made that commitment to my wife, I mean it to be for life and I believe to make marriage work, it takes effort by all parties. If you do all the work to try and make it work and you still are not happy, then maybe its best for all parties if the marriage ends.

        Responsibility, there is a funny word, Conservatives love to throw it around like communism, socialism and they do not practice it and they do not have a clue what those words mean. I am a liberal, I make choices… I have to be responsible for those choices. Are you seriously trying to tell me that conservatives take responsibility for their actions? Please Dallas… Please…

      • “Dallas”

        In a nutshell, I never have nor will I be prejudiced. A slight background, my First and America’s Hero during the Depression , hold on to your seat, was JOE LOUIS (a black man). That was during a time when Conservative Values were predominate. However, when the Liberal segment of society began screaming bloody murder about their 1st Amendment Rights and the right to protest (including violence protected by their 1st Amendment right, late 50′s early 60′s) they were at the same time and since, continue “lobbying” for legislation to “force” Liberal values upon the entire country. So too with all the items you mention, if your watching the news. Conservatism is, “You can go out and do anything you like, AS LONG AS IT HAS NO IMPACT nor IMPOSES ANY LAWS AGAINST MY PRINCIPLES AND VALUES, and forced to contribute to.. But that’s not what Liberals do. As an example, go down the list mentioned and you’ll see legislation passed or pending to force immoral laws on me and society in general. That’s indisputable.
        And to go on, you say “A woman has a right to her own body.” True! She can “put a gun” to her head and pull the trigger, but she has NO RIGHT to “put the gun” to her abdomen and pull the trigger to end the INDEPENDENT life of the most innocent of human life. Moral Law trumps Civil Law. It’s clearly obvious, Liberals continue to undermine and or totally abolish the existence of MORAL LAW!

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Amen Big D

      • Dave67

        Dallas,

        Really, conservatives do not shove things down people’s throats?

        NC is trying to pass a law banning same sex marriage…. is NC liberal?

        Who passed the Patriot Act? Conservatives

        Who leads the book-burniong crowd? Conservatives.

        Liberals lead the fight for equality. The led for Civil rights, women’s rights and now same sex marriage rights. You just choose to ignore those little facts.

        Please do not try and say conservatives are soomehow more moral than liberals…. Your side has what is called a record.

      • eddie47d

        Well Dallas if Liberalism wants no restrictions then Liberalism =Conservatism. For they don’t want any government restrictions on anything. What a hoot!

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          eddie47d, get with the times. Your record is stuck in the same grove. Liberal and conservative aren’t the same thing, they are different words. Liberals want to: enjoy same sex, want same sex marriages, want to steal the wealth away from other people through government give away programs, want to tax and regulate businesses out of existence, are for a strong centralized government, no individual families only one big state family and probably a lot of other bad things. Conservatives want: strong families, one man one woman marriages, limited government, strong local businesses, want people to be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor, want a strong set of laws to follow that are easy to understand like the constitution and a host of other good things. Hmm, seems to me that liberals only want bad things and conservatives only want good things.

      • Flashy

        Dallas —> “As to your “Moral Fiber”, I’d like your view(s) on Gay Rights, Abortion, Freedom of Religion, Sacrament of Marriage and etc., since you mentioned it.”

        Since none of those has anything to do with ‘moral fiber”, and are mores based upon various beliefs held by religious sects…those are not, and should not be, used as any measuring stick of “moral fiber”. They would be classified as religious biases.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Flashy, what yardstick do you use to measure what’s moral by? Everybody has to have one. I kinda like the “don’t steal, don’t have sex with family members or your animals, don’t murder, don’t commit adultery, don’t lie, do right to your neighbor, be a good person kind of stuff myself. Of course what I’ve listed isn’t everything but it’s a beginning. Where do I find all of that stuff….Oh yeah, in the scriptures. Does that make those things wrong or me bad because I use that source for a guide?

          I don’t think people like that source I use because it would require them to behave and when they don’t they feel guilty.

      • “Dallas”

        Dave67
        What it appears you fail to see is that passing legislation legalizing Same Sex Marriage, means any and ALL benefits (Taxpayer provided) available to “One Man, One Woman” legal marriages, will be equally available to the same sex “odd couple” That’s forcing Conservatives as well as Liberals to pay into their benefits. That’s against my principles and values.
        However, I’m all for letting them go out and do “their thing”, but not in my sight and the sight of those I try to bring up in a Really True and Moral Society. TRUE FREEDOM lies within Moral responsibility.

        As to “the record”, I stand on my first post. Their historical fact, not just personal opinions.

      • eddie47d

        Seems more like a personal opinion to me Dallas.

      • Flashy

        Katrael:

        Moral fiber…OK….it may well be based religiously…when considering your own.

        Basically, when i think of Moral fiber, pretty much i’ll measure my own as

        Will i go to sleep tonight knowing what i did that day improved the world in some way, no matter how small of improvement?

        Does my handshake count for something?

        Did someone suffer who shouldn’t have for something i did?

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Flashy, at least you answered my question. You make up your own and from the little you revealed it doesn’t sound too bad but maybe some of the things I listed bother you because you don’t feel that they are relevant like having sex with family members? I’m not saying you engage in that I’m just asking the question. Your list seems awfully short and that it could be subject to change depending on the circumstances?

          No matter what I feel is moral a person will always have the right to engage in any activity they desire but they will also have the right to reap what they sow. So I did what you said, I picked for myself just like you did.

      • TML

        Flashy says, “Since none of those has anything to do with ‘moral fiber”, and are mores based upon various beliefs held by religious sects”

        I agree that those things have nothing to do with the capacity of one to do what is ‘right’ in all circumstances, although such moral convictions are not necessarily dependent upon, or exclusive to, religious sects.

        Katrael says, “Does that make those things wrong or me bad because I use that source for a guide?”

        No, but it could be if you zealously accept something as bad with no rational behind it other than “because the bible tells me so”.

        “Dallas” says, “What it appears you fail to see is that passing legislation legalizing Same Sex Marriage, means any and ALL benefits (Taxpayer provided) available to “One Man, One Woman” legal marriages, will be equally available to the same sex “odd couple” That’s forcing Conservatives as well as Liberals to pay into their benefits.”

        But is government (taxpayer provided) benefits, not also against your principles and values as a conservative?

        Katrael says, “what yardstick do you use to measure what’s moral by?”

        “Dallas” says, “TRUE FREEDOM lies within Moral responsibility”

        To both statements, rightful liberty is the unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal right of others.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          TML, unlike some I do put a lot of thought into my choices. The problem for many people is they’ve never really studied the scriptures and they only go on what they’ve been told all of their life. A little for instance: The Scriptures warns us not to engage in incest. It doesn’t go into detail about why not other than it’s a bad behavior to engage in. Now, if you study this even a little or have breed animals you’ll know that there can be an increase in genetic defects in offspring that are a result of incest or inbreeding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding

          I’ve proved to my satisfaction that inbreeding, therefore incest, is amoral behavior. I trust the Scriptures as my moral compass and so did the founding fathers of this country.

          As to your statement about zealously: yes zealous people can be dangerous but that’s true about any belief system.

      • “Dallas”

        I have to reply through Dave67 to TML
        But, I’ll cover two “birds” with one stone.
        With some of your responses, I get the impression that your implying that human beings are no higher a form of life than any animal?
        On second thought, you may be right. Having followed Liberalism over the past 50 plus years, they appear to be getting closer and closer and there is legislation that protects animal life over human life, ie: One can go to jail for as little as trapping “an endangered species”, whereas you can “kill” the most innocent of human beings and you receive counseling and support to get back on your feet. Liberalism is getting more and more like the animals. Acting on Instinct.
        Keep in mind that there is a difference between Civil Law and Moral Law. (Separation of Church and state! That’s a laugh.) The difference was defined 2,000 years ago, quote:
        Render unto Cesar what is Cesar’s (Civil Law) and unto God what is God’s (Moral Law).

        “rightful liberty is the unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal right of others.”

        The error in this is that every person can define “limits” to their own liking, ie: Justifiable Abortion, Justifiable Same Sex Marriage, justify “living together”, anything can then be rationalized/justified.

        Also, receiving a “Government Benefit”, Social Security that is, I paid into it for 67 years, unlike a Federal Employee I knew who never paid into it from age 18 until reaching 65, then paid into it for approximately 2 years and went on to collect Social Security and Medicare benefits for 30 years. These are the ones that “contribute” to the demise of Social Security. There are millions doing the same thing, whereas every person with a Social Security card should be paying into the system.

      • TML

        Katrael says, “TML, unlike some I do put a lot of thought into my choices. The problem for many people is they’ve never really studied the scriptures and they only go on what they’ve been told all of their life. A little for instance: The Scriptures warns us not to engage in incest. It doesn’t go into detail about why not other than it’s a bad behavior to engage in. Now, if you study this even a little or have breed animals you’ll know that there can be an increase in genetic defects in offspring that are a result of incest or inbreeding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding

        Katrael says, “I’ve proved to my satisfaction that inbreeding, therefore incest, is amoral behavior.”

        Understand that morality is by definition, subjective judgment. Objective, or an absolute morality is impossible to exist as it requires emotion to make the moral judgement. What you describe is a logical reason to avoid incest, rather than an emotional conviction… although it can be accompanied by such; disgust, fear, hate, greed, lust, etc.

        Now take the next step… what does that say about the typical story of Adam and Eve?

        I trust the Scriptures as my moral compass and so did the founding fathers of this country.

        Some of them, yes… but not all. Take Thomas Jefferson for example… “Question with boldness even the existence of God, because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blind-folded fear”

        “Dallas” says, “With some of your responses, I get the impression that your implying that human beings are no higher a form of life than any animal?”

        No, humans are unquestionably at the top of the food chain.

        “Dallas” says, “Keep in mind that there is a difference between Civil Law and Moral Law.”

        To an extent… moral law, as mentioned, is completely subjective judgment. You can have your personal morals to which you live your life by, so long as they do not trespass on that same God given right (even to sin) that you have. Civil law is the attempt to find common ground in personal morality.

        “Dallas” says, “(Separation of Church and state! That’s a laugh.)”

        Seperation of church and states is that common ground established through objective history. The Holy Roman Empire, Spanish inquisitions, etc… were results of application of religious moral law intertwined with State/Civil law.

        “Dallas” says, “The difference was defined 2,000 years ago, quote: Render unto Cesar what is Cesar’s (Civil Law) and unto God what is God’s (Moral Law).”

        I have no objection to that claim, although it was not adhered to… even through Constantine I

      • “Dallas”

        TML, This is an aside, but………..
        It’s interesting to delve into the opinions and thoughts of others, as it somewhat describes how we ever got to where we are today. It begins to shed some light on “Higher Learning” and it’s consequences. From the time institutions of learning as is known today, first began, hundreds of years ago, there has been an explosion of “learning”. Unfortunately this “advancement” of learning has been overtaken by “rationalization” which varies from person to person.
        That having been said, consider that the writers of the earliest Bible entries had nothing but that which were told by “One Teacher”(God The Father as to the Old Testament and Christ as to the New Testament) and all the rest by inspiration, and I would have to say logic and common sense. That which they conveyed has been in existence for thousands of years, withstanding the test of time, and as appropriate today as was back in time.
        In simple terms, I believe mankind is doing everything he can thinking he can preempt God. That’s where education has gone amuck, thinking that more and more education means smarter and smarter. WRONG! Whereas, all it’s done is make individuals more inclined to “corruption/gaming” the system.

  • JON

    WHATEVER!

    • cawmun cents

      Notice that Jefferson says question the very existence of God,but he doesnt say to disbelieve,nor did he.
      That is where the argument of these revisionists goes lacking.
      Jefferson believed.
      Cheers!
      -CC.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        cawmun cents, you make an excellent point. Some people are pros when it comes to twisting something somebody says when in fact the person never said such a thing.

  • Tazio2013

    Why Mitt Romney is No Longer the Worst Person in America to Run for President

    An Endorsement from Rick Santorum

    NEW YORK – The following open letter to America was published today by former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum:

    My Fellow Americans:

    I am writing to you today to endorse Mitt Romney for President of the United States.

    Now, some of you may recall that during the campaign, I took a slightly different position on Mitt Romney. In fact, I said that Mitt Romney was the worst person in America to run against Barack Obama for President. Well, there’s nothing wrong with changing your mind. In fact, as Mitt Romney himself has proved, changing your mind is the surest path to the Republican nomination. LOL.

    Why do I no longer think Mitt Romney is the worst person to run for President? Well, I started thinking about that Jet Blue pilot who went off his nut a few weeks ago and had to be tackled by passengers. That dude would definitely be a worse person to run for President than Mitt Romney. Say what you will about Mitt Romney and how he made his fortune by putting thousands of people out of work and how he invented Obamacare before Obama did and all, he has never jeopardized the lives of people on an airplane (that I know of). That is probably because he flies everywhere on a private jet, staffed entirely by undocumented workers.

    I also started thinking about Michael Vick. He was involved in some of the most despicable acts in recent memory, involving the deaths of multiple dogs. Mitt Romney, on the other hand, has only endangered the life of one dog, his own, and he didn’’t actually kill the dog, he just literally scared the (expletive deleted) out of it. So if you compare Mitt Romney to someone who has actually been responsible for the killing of dogs and not just scaring them to death, I would have to say Michael Vick would be slightly worse than him (although in some ways slightly better, since Michael Vick did not create Obamacare or have gays on his staff).

    In conclusion, my fellow Americans, Mitt Romney is a total douche. No one’s arguing that he isn’t. But if you compare him to either the insane Jet Blue guy or a heartless dog-killer like Michael Vick, Mitt Romney is no longer the worst person in America to run for President. I should add, however, that if anything should happen to Mitt Romney between now and November, such as him getting trapped in his Swiss bank vault with all his ill-gotten money and tragically suffocating to death, I stand ready and willing to be your nominee. Plus I am an actual Christian who does not believe in magic underpants.

    Vote for Romney,

    Rick Santorum

  • Tazio2013

    Why Mitt Romney is No Longer the Worst Person in America to Run for President

    An Endorsement from Rick Santorum

    NEW YORK – The following open letter to America was published today by former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum:

    My Fellow Americans:

    I am writing to you today to endorse Mitt Romney for President of the United States.

    Now, some of you may recall that during the campaign, I took a slightly different position on Mitt Romney. In fact, I said that Mitt Romney was the worst person in America to run against Barack Obama for President. Well, there’s nothing wrong with changing your mind. In fact, as Mitt Romney himself has proved, changing your mind is the surest path to the Republican nomination. LOL.

    Why do I no longer think Mitt Romney is the worst person to run for President? Well, I started thinking about that Jet Blue pilot who went off his nut a few weeks ago and had to be tackled by passengers. That dude would definitely be a worse person to run for President than Mitt Romney. Say what you will about Mitt Romney and how he made his fortune by putting thousands of people out of work and how he invented Obamacare before Obama did and all, he has never jeopardized the lives of people on an airplane (that I know of). That is probably because he flies everywhere on a private jet, staffed entirely by undocumented workers.

    I also started thinking about Michael Vick. He was involved in some of the most despicable acts in recent memory, involving the deaths of multiple dogs. Mitt Romney, on the other hand, has only endangered the life of one dog, his own, and he didn’t actually kill the dog, he just literally scared the s**t out of it. So if you compare Mitt Romney to someone who has actually been responsible for the killing of dogs and not just scaring them to death, I would have to say Michael Vick would be slightly worse than him (although in some ways slightly better, since Michael Vick did not create Obamacare or have gays on his staff).

    In conclusion, my fellow Americans, Mitt Romney is a total d**che. No one’s arguing that he isn’t. But if you compare him to either the insane Jet Blue guy or a heartless dog-killer like Michael Vick, Mitt Romney is no longer the worst person in America to run for President. I should add, however, that if anything should happen to Mitt Romney between now and November, such as him getting trapped in his Swiss bank vault with all his ill-gotten money and tragically suffocating to death, I stand ready and willing to be your nominee. Plus I am an actual Christian who does not believe in magic underpants.

    Vote for Romney,

    Rick Santorum

    • Doc Sarvis

      As I understand it, with this weak endorsment Santorum’s campaign debt will be paid by Romney’s campaign.

      • Flashy

        I believe Santorum took to the 13th paragraph to give a weak endorsement. Not exactly what i would say was an ‘endorsement’.

        isn’t it strange that those who dealt with Romney in politics or in campaigns…all are very very hesitant and weak in getting behind his candidacy?

      • Doc Sarvis

        You’re right Flashy. One wrong move and ole’ Mitt will say “Your Fired!”

      • Flashy

        Anyone who thinks Mitt will allow Ron Paul any substantive quality air time at the GOP Convention should be immediately checked into the asylum….Mitt being the Hard core Conservative that he proclaims himself as and all…

        That anyone who supports Paul would consider voting for Romney astounds me. A weak percentage of votes for Paul sends the message that his stance is weak and not worthy of including in any policy considerations. Should Paul garner 10% or more…the message will be heard and Obama’s second term will have to take that into account…Congress certainly would as they eye the 2014 election cycle.

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Flashy thais because if the elections were held today Obama would lose. Romney is like 11 points ahead in the polls and that is not counting the I don’t knows. As time moves forward and Obama keeps pulling his little dirty tricks that margin could be and will probably spread much wider in a conservitive win. Hell he might do so many more stunts against the American people even a liberal like you will turn red.

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston:

        First….the good Sheriff Arpaio is pulling out all stops to avoid the ramifications of the investigation begun during the Bush administration. That and his own political views and actions would indicate he’s not exactly playing with a full deck so to speak. He runs his own little fiefdom and is a publicity whore.

        As to the findings of the typeface print expert….perhaps he should present such to the 50 AGs, the 50 state elections boards, the courts, etc and perhaps convince them he has both feet on the ground.

        As you may ascertain, still in your court to prove to satisfaction [your words].

        As to your opinion of who i may be, thank you for giving such. the level of professionalism displayed is appreciated. I would think a more accurate description would be more along the lines of a “revolutionary for the Middle Class” …

        I will admit to having a shirt printed with “I’m proud to be a Socialist/Commie/Clinton/Obama Democrat ! ” and one having ‘Vote Early, vote Often, Vote Obama 2012!”

        Perhaps you’d like one?

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Flashy – The Sherrif is a publicty Whore?? Man how many times a day do I have to turn the channel just not to get sick to my stomach over your lord Odrama appearing on this talk show or another and he preaches to the masses daily with his BS. You asked for proof you are an idiot, there your proof monkey lover!

      • Flashy

        Brad…the election will be close in the popular vote as most Presidential elections are. But Obama will pull about 310-320 in electoral. I just this week pushed Nevada into the Obama pool which is the reason for the increase from last months projections.

        Romney, to stand a ghost of a chance, will have to pull Pa, Wisc., and pull from Obama VA, and two Rocky mountain states and he if loses Va he’ll have to keep Ohio. Ain’t gonna happen. .

        Can you envision Romney during the debates taking a position, and then being countered with a prior “strong’ position? He’ll be flopping around the stage like a gaffed salmon on the deck. And if you think Romney’s tax return issues are behind him….i have a few oil wells in Antarctica i’ll sell you. Obama hasn’t even begun to get mean…

        You want to send a message that Ron Paul’s positions don’t count with the voting public? Go ahead…vote Romney.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Flashy,

        As I said…

        Best wishes,
        Bob

  • FreedomFighter

    Dallas” says:

    May 9, 2012 at 9:44 am

    To those who publicly profess to be “Liberal” and vote that way, consider what began about the mid 1950’s and has evolved into what exists today:
    Parental disobedience. (Don’t listen to your Parents, we know better.)
    Civil disobedience, (Protest/Mob rule)
    Judicial disobedience. (Laws are meaningless, no consequences)
    Constitutional disobedience. (Bastardization of the Constitution, particularly the First Amendment.)
    Moral disobedience. (Rampant murder, Abortion, open Homosexuality, open Gay Rights, Same sex marriage, open promiscuity, blatant corruption and on and on.)
    Religious disobedience. (Civil and/or Sacramental Marriage, no longer necessary, 51% simply live together. Divorce/like playing musical chairs, recreational sex,)
    and on and on.

    That’s the legacy Liberals/Liberalism is leaving, YOU OWN IT, LOCK, STOCK and BARREL!

    I would like to add to the list:

    Largest federal debt in the history of the world.
    Most wars being fought concurrently
    Police state dominated by communists/socialist psychopaths
    Most regulations in the history of the country
    Loss of our identitly, legal system, government, as a country and a turning of control over to the UNITED NATIONS
    Most closed power stations in history
    Most imbalanced trade and loss of jobs in America ever known
    …about 100 more

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Dennis

      He backs the muslim brotherhood, or leads it, one or the other.

  • Tag

    What most of you don’t acknowledge is: it does not matter what politics this bloomin’ idiot practices – it’s the fact he IS a bloomin’ idot in the oval office! This pretender is a total loss and a complete disaster to this nation – whether demo or repub! It is HIM as a person that doesn’t know his skinny butt from third base about being a president – when they asked him if he would like to be president he thought they said ‘resident’ and he said SURE, thinking he was going to get another ‘freebie’ from the government – you know, free housing, food, transportation, health care, and vacations (new benefit added), and the lil ole taxpayer was gonna pay for it! And they do! He even brought along his relatives who are here illegally as he is! Now that IS taking advantage of the benefits blacks get in this country – wow, maybe we should all stay longer in the tanning booths!

    • 45caliber

      Tag:

      You are correct. That is why I’ve opposed him all along.

    • Dennis

      He’s know idiot, go to youtube videos and type in The Obama Deception, Wake up brother, he is just another part of there plan.

  • 45caliber

    John Myers:

    You said, ” What happens when the money flow stops?”

    You are forgetting. We are only paying about 54% of our income in taxes now. The government can still collect at least 40% more before most of us starve to death! Why should they worry?

    • Dennis

      They are worried, the awakening is happing way faster than they had planned, America is waking up.

  • Chisna

    You know what would be really nice ?
    It would be nice if Personal Liberty Alerts posted a current chart when it comes to manufacturing jobs. There is NO doubt that we have lost many of our manufacturing jobs since 1979…. But that’s not Obama’s fault.

    Graph: All Employees: Manufacturing (MANEMP)
    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?id=MANEMP

    Maybe rather than waste your time posting outdated charts to try and bash Obama with. You should be spending your time learning about and supporting legislation being held up in committee which would establish tougher rules when it comes to trade. Or maybe you should inform your readers about the current violations of trade agreements by China which have damaged U.S. companies.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      And maybe Chisna we should talk about rthe arms treaty this idiot is about to sign with the UN. Try and come take mine and I will take a few of you with me.

      • Flashy

        What treaty is that Brad?

      • Chisna

        Brad, what does that have to do with a outdated chart being posted by Personal LIberty Alerts. China violating trade agreements. Or meaningful legislation being held up by the subcommittee on trade ?

        And if you are talking about the small arms treaty. And your fear that it might undermine the second amendment. Don’t worry….. The aim of the treaty isn’t to restrict the sale or ownership of guns within the U.S. The aim is to combat the illicit international trade of small arms by tightening the regulation of, and setting international standards for the import and export and transfer of conventional weapons.

        As a gun owner ( and hunter ) I would be just as freaked out as you appear to be if
        I thought there was any chance of the 2nd amendment being undermined. And just to put your mind at ease….I have no intention of taking away any of yer gun’s Brad. I have several of my own. And don’t really want or need any of yours….So spare me the childish threats. Ok ?

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Chisna you wrote: Maybe rather than waste your time posting outdated charts to try and bash Obama with. You should be spending your time learning about and supporting legislation being held up in committee which would establish tougher rules when it comes to trade. Or maybe you should inform your readers about the current violations of trade agreements by China which have damaged U.S. companies. Trade is the word a see with great meaning here. This treaty does stop international trade of fire arms, but it will not take long for them to come looking for your guns and once a treaty is signed it takes all nations under said treaty to allow the US to back out of that treaty. We do not need to sign any treaty with the UN that limits our freedoms and give the UN power over the citzens of the US. This is a very slippery sloap. If you love the 2nd amendment as you state, you best love our freedoms as sovernty nation under no international laws. This same treaty will impose international waters to be governed by the UN. Hell your lord has already put in progression his will to have us under the UN.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            “Hell your lord has already put in progression his will to have us under the UN.” What makes you think it is his doing? Don’t we all have free will and the right to exercise it? I don’t believe in individual predestination.

      • CZ52

        “And if you are talking about the small arms treaty. And your fear that it might undermine the second amendment. Don’t worry….. The aim of the treaty isn’t to restrict the sale or ownership of guns within the U.S. The aim is to combat the illicit international trade of small arms by tightening the regulation of, and setting international standards for the import and export and transfer of conventional weapons.”

        Chisna if you really believe that you are one of the most ill informed persons who have ever posted on this site. The other option and the one I believe to be most likely is you are as big a lier as Flashy has been proven to be and are for ever more draconian gun control laws until private ownership of firearms is eliminated.

        Here are three things that have been in all proposed drafts of the treaty.

        1. An international gun registry.

        2. Ban private ownership of semi-auto firearms.

        3. Seize and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms.

  • T. Jefferson

    I need “Allstate” to protect me from “Mayhem” :)

    • FreedomFighter

      Goto the AllstateSucks websites, like obummer allstate aint so great. My personal experiance with Allstate homeowners ins was dismal.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Another Trojan Horse! U.S. has become a Stable of Trojan Horses…
    I was depressed that Politics couldn’t find any one better than O’Bomma…
    Now, after 1 term in office They Still Can’t!

    • Smithkowitz

      It’s not a matter of finding someone better, it’s someone who can get the job done, that “they” want accomplished. It’s not about you or I . . . . . “they” spend billions playing games with our lives, while we are enslaved to their desires and goals for “their” society.

  • David

    While I agree with the ideas behind this article, I don’t think the blame lies completly with the Democrats or Obama. The Republicans also must share in the blame and all this lying about everything being Obama’s fault (and in reverse, the Republican “saviors” that are pure as driven snow) just doesn’t jive with the facts, or at least with my memory of the events of the past 30-40 years. As long as each “side” does nothing but demonize the other, tell lies and repeat those same lies so often the average person cannot tell what is true and what isn’t, as long as we, the voters, let those in elected office get away with lying and cheating and stealing…. then we don’t deserve any better than what we have now.

  • gnafu

    We have a dictator in charge and we know it. Watch the Executive Orders coming out of the Oval Office; Not to Americas advantage! We all, all races, are ‘ripe for the pickens’ and now is the time. It wasn’t just Bush who put us into this mess. It has been happening over the past twenty or so years while Americans slept. People are waking up, Thank God, and their will be unrest – the president is preparing for it. France has gone Socialist and Germany may now be Commie led. What happens next in Greece is anyone’s guess. Other countries have gone down the rat hole-watch the unrest/riots that happened and are happening. They don’t have a Free America to hold as their guide any longer. I’ve always said since 2007: “To destroy a Society, you have to destroy their money.” Is that ringing loud and clear yet? [To my knowledge, Karl Marx was a sick man. He was mentally deranged and a sycophant. What does that tell us about Marxism?]

  • Ron

    The Tea Party, the Karlrovian Dismantling of the Republican Party, and websites like this, are re-building, plank by plank, the platform of the failed Confederate States of America, circa 1860.

    The adoration of shrill, violent language to couch EVERYTHING this President does as “MAYHEM” or “TREASON” or “HATRED” –as well as all of the regular and constant resort to “watering the tree of liberty with blood” and “second amendment remedies”–and Lord Limbaugh’s call to “DESTROY THE BASTARDS!”

    –reminds me of America, circa 1856, when Sen. Charles Sumner, assisted by fellow confederate Laurence Keitt, beat Congressman Preston Brooks nearly to death on the floor of Congress with a cane because he spoke out against Southern “Job Creators”–slave owners.

    Much of America found this violence repulsive and disgusting, but it’s worth noting that throughout the South, RealConfederate SuperPatriots C-R-O-W-E-D with delight, sending Sumner canes via mail so he could beat and kill more re-distributionists-in-chief.

    It is eerily reminiscent of the creepy cheering at Republican debates whenever death is mentioned, and this is the party that brought us the “Patriot Act”, illegal detentions, military tribunals, Corporate Prisons, Inc, waterboarding, Abu Ghraib, Timothy McVeigh, and loud, rage-filled shout-downs, killing the town hall meetings to discuss healthcare reform (bussed in, by corporate America, it’s worth noting).

    I don’t want to live in a “nanny state”, and I understand the role of conservatism in government, and I understand there needs to be a historic balance between liberalism and conservatism. I’d have voted for Dwight Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt, and I DEFINITELY would’ve voted for Abraham Lincoln. And I strongly admired Richard Lugar, Everett Dirksen, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins.

    But this thing you’re creating isn’t conservative at all–it’s radical, and violent, and you’re swiftboating and purging moderates and educated people from your political machine and replacing them with a goose-steppy crop of heel-clicking martinets who will repeat the Party’s barking points in unison on command.

    (AND, apparently, build bases on the moon when you’re shaking down poor people for their last dimes to pay for Cheney’s $4 trillion “War to Nowhere).

    NONE of the afforementioned Republicans could be a member of your version of the Party of Lincoln. And your love of violence and thinly-veiled threats against the President and his ( “ugly-a$$ gorilla”, etc) wife make you sound much more like the Party of John Wilkes Booth.

    I’d love for you to secede. Take a chunk of America proportional to your rabid followers and start your own Confederate States of America. Re-institute slavery (owning other human beings was the single largest part of America’s GDP in 1860, after all), drill-baby-drilla every square inch of your land, pollute it’s air and shorelines, enslave all your lower-wage “welfare queens” and incarcerate them in debtor’s prisons as punishment for not being at the top of the food chain. Go to war with the world and keep manufacturing new enemies as fast as you can liquidate the old ones. Call it whatever you want: Confederate States of America, United States of FearHatia, United States of America, Inc., A Wholly-Owned Subsidiary. Arm yourselves to the teeth and kill your neighbors and anyone who isn’t part of your immediate feudal clan. Install various brands of churchianity as the state religion and go fight a 30-Years War to determine which brand of Confederate Jesus gets out stains better and leaves your whites whiter.

    But, after watching the Cheney Administration in action, I don’t think you’ll just secede anymore. I think you want to take over and impose Abu Ghraib law on all of America, with Lords Limbaugh, Beck, and Lady Ann as Propaganda Ministers, Lord Santorum as Minister of Education and Anti-Snobbiness, perhaps. And while stupid liberals will spin in circles of legalizing marijuana and similar B.S. (Put three libs in a room and you’ll get 5 hand-wringing, whiney, separate opinions), you guys are gearing up to take over with a single-mindedness that libs could never dream of.

    Libs may have cried and tossed eggs at W’s limo when Cheney was appointed President by the Supreme Court, but you guys went out and bought all the firearms and ammo you could strip off the gun store shelves, all the while beating the banghammer that America needed to fear a takeover by the (what? egg-throwing?) liberal HORDES.

    You are poised to take with the bullet if you lose with the ballot. However, I would give you these three warnings from history:

    1. The Nazis never had more than 33% of the vote (and while photoshopping Obama’s face on Hitler’s body may be clever and hoodwink stupid people into thinking “Yeah, I guess that black guy WAS the leader of the most heinous group of white racist xenophobic killers ever to walk the earth”–people who have read books ain’t buying that B.S.), they had ALL the guns and control and destroyed the unions, and subjugated the German people to their weird marriage with a big business war-machine.

    Like the Confederacy, their economic plan of slavery was unsustainable, and their war with the rest of the world, making new enemies faster than they could vanquish the old ones, doomed them to a short run, even though they crowed of German/Confederate Exceptionalism.

    2. Unlike what President Cheney said, the American people will NEVER “welcome you as liberators”.

    3. Most of moderate America is apathetic and lazy, to be sure. They’d rather read a nintendo cheats book than a history book. But if you try to overthrow America by force, to borrow from Admiral Yamamoto: You may succeed in ‘waking a sleeping giant and filling him with a terrible resolve’.

    Most Americans don’t remember the Civil War–it’s causes, the details. But your revisionist history of trying to re-package and re-sell the Confederacy as a viable government and economic model won’t work any more today than it did back then.

    Unfortunately, that may not become apparent until you’ve killed lots and lots of Americans.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Ron, you bet those Tea Partiers are nothing but a bunch of wild maniacs pissing and defficating on police cars and breaking shop owner windows. You my friend are the root to pissing the conservitaives off and I just hope you come looking for me to take my guns with Odrama and Billary. Lock and load conservitaives, they are coming fast and furiously.

      • Sarah

        Brad you better quit watching those action packed movie’s. Your becoming very delusional, with the idea, your some kind of road warrior, if the Government, rolled in and wanted to take over, as your bloggers here suggest, you wouldn’t stand a chance, your little weapons would not get past, anything the GOV has. Brad your not Men in black Will Smith, and or Clint Eastwood. LOL

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Nope Sarah, I am none of those things you suggested I think I am. I know one thing I sure will take a few of the A HOLES with me. And it will not be US troops coming after the citizens it will be UN and oblama drones coming after the hard working small business tax payers.

  • dcjdvis

    “…Obama is painting himself as a reformer who will continue to resurrect America”?

    He has first to make certain it’s dead, which he’s in a race against time to do…Unfortunately, I think he’s winning; but then, he’s not plotting alone. If he were, he’d never have been selected.

  • Tag

    This time, folks, VOTE THE MAN, not the politics – even if the repubs make it at least they’ll start getting ‘business back to doing business” and that will benefit the working man and end some of the food lines that exist under the PRETENDER in chief! Maybe we can even get whomever is selected to run (notice no other demo is running against the pretender) and it ends up being Romney it sure as he** can’t be as bad as what this nation has suffered over the past three years! Get this loafer out of office! THAT should be our slogan – I mean, take a look at the pretenders’ background and his last working environment (I use the word ‘work’ loosely), Illinois? Blago? Most corrupt state in the USA along with Georgia! He did nothing but take up space in the Senate, and the history is: of the last 9 governors in ILLIINOIS, 6 are in the federal pen, and folks, that is the pretenders background and his learning influence – he can’t do any better becasue the jerk doesn’t know any better – Ted Kennedy was his mentor – the mayor of Illinois (Chicago crime center) was his boss where he met that angry black woman he married! Neither practiced law – they surrendered their license when they started working for the mayor’s office where they learned first hand ‘how to manipulate and fool the system’ and it’s constituants! He looks at US as another bunch of dingbats to rip off – look at the many ways he ignores the law because HE is above the law of this land, right? Frivolous and malicious behavior is his slogan – and he is getting by with it – when have you EVER heard of the secret service acting the way they currently did – wonder how many of those ‘prossies’ were for the pretender?

  • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

    Obimbo is not looking “forward”, communism is a LOT OLDER than capitalism and has failed EVERY TIME it has been tired;;;;CUBA, RUSSIA, CHINA, VIETNAM, COSTA RICA, VENEZUELA, POLAND and on and on;; VOTE THIS MARXIST back to Kenya in 2012.

  • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

    it is “tired” but I meant tried sorry

  • Dens

    Ron lookout!! Theres a Nazi under your bed! No…wait! It’s a Negro slave! I think he’s drinking up all your koolaid!! Those damned Confederates!!

    • Ron

      Wow. Thank you. Being called paranoid by people who believe that the President is setting up secret Communazihomosocialistniggakenyan death camps for “patriotic” white people–using an agency that couldn’t even effectively organize hurricane relief for Katrina victims in broad daylight–well, I’ll take that as high praise!

      I note that you don’t deny that your political platform is that of the Confederate States of America ( if there’s any doubt I suppose we could ask Robert E. Lee to weigh in. I saw he’s posted on here)

      Your mocking tone in response to my suggestion of your confederate sympathies is reminiscent of Hitlers infamous speech to the Reichstag in April of 1939, mocking Roosevelt’s request for assurances that Hitler had no malevolent intent toward the world.

      One by one, with great comedic timing, he lists the countries that he won’t harm, while the reichstag deputies, ever his obedient toadies, howl with laughter. Y’know, like at a Glenn Beck rally…

      The real joke, of course, was that Hitler was lying–even while mocking Roosevelt for “drinking the kool-aid” of anti-nazi propaganda–they had an entire plan for the subjugation of Europe in motion, and of course, millions of dead later, we now know Roosevelt wasn’t paranoid; he just listened to what hitler said and took him at his word.

      On this site and from all the rulers among the Confederacy Party, there has been a constant blunthammer drum beat of propaganda: When Cheney was President he was to be obeyed absolutely. Anyone who disagreed was a traitor. Obama is elected by the American people–not appointed by the Florida Election Commision–and from day one it’s been open season on the man. It not only isn’t treason, it’s patriotism to talk about murdering the President and inciting armed revolution against a government elected by the American people. In a democracy, you don’t get to just bully people into submission when it’s convenient to you–when your guys in office.

      But in a Confederate right wing coup d’état, you do!

      You can waterboard the weak and unarmed, purge the nation of all but the most fanatical right-wing neo-nazis, and, being armed to the teeth and distrustful of law and order of any kind, can impose your will on the ever-threatening unarmed liberals. And with corporate prisons, you could set up little Abu Ghraibs–pride of the Cheney Presidency–all over America.

      I’d just like you to be intellectually honest about what you’re doing. be honest about something. This has been a problem with Republicans ever since the reign of King Nixon I

      Libs didn’t run out and buy all the guns, you did.

      And you sat on your hands when President Cheney and his boy set in place most of a decades worth of economic and infrastructure wreckage, so you don’t hate ALL big government–you RealAmerican SuperPatriots just hate it when it’s coming from that Niggakenyan and his ugly-a$$ gorilla wife, who are dividing America through their racist views…’cause, I mean, no racism here, huh? I bet any of your black friends could come on this site, read your comments, and not think you’re racist at all!

      You’ve turned the Party of Lincoln into the Party of John Wilkes Booth. You are the ultimate RINOs, because Lincoln couldn’t be a member of your party. You’d have swift boated him for negritude, miscegenation, and being mentally ill from having been in a POW camp (the way Karl Rove did to John McCain in 2000).

      You’d disown Lincoln in a heartbeat, and you urinate on his grave every time you dare to call yourselves the “Party of Lincoln”.

  • Doug Rodrigues

    The problem with most so-called “Liberals” is that they are “dreamers,” who seem to function without any common sense. Obama is another “dreamer,” and a narccistic Marxist inspird one at that. He exhibits the worse traits of both of his personal ideals. First, no one but he has the intellectual capacity and knowledge to do anything correctly…so he thinks. Secondly, he obviously is no proponent of the Constitution of the United States no matter what his credientals are in being a past instructor on that subject. But I am curious though, there was a photo of him teaching a class on the Constitution posted on the internet once which showed him writing a Saul Alinski quotation on the chalk board. What was that about? Why would a Saul Alinski “Rules for Radicals” comment have any bearing on the US Constitution that it would be written on the chalk board? Was Obama teaching the Constitution or was he brainwashing the students?

    • Dave67

      And conservatives deal in irrationality and theory…. Its either one extreme or the other…. They have no country that is this capitalist utopia they pine away for.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Dave67 I am a capitalist and a conservitive and i dont beleive in any utopia. All I want to do is work hard a be left alone. I feel most Tea Partiers feel the same.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Brad, I’ve always been told that when a person points a finger at somebody they’ve got three pointing back. This emotional utopia smoke screen issue is something that liberals cry about because they use it to distract themselves from the truth that they don’t want to accept. They think that if they can take everybody’s wealth and spread it out evenly everything will be just fine. We can all have plenty. You’re right, they just need to go out and get a job.

          • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

            Amen Brother

      • Dave67

        And Brad,

        That is where your theory comes into play. You forget political access to change policy, the money that changes hands. If you are working poor or middle class… You have little power. The 1950′s era is over… You have as much chance to get wealthy in this country to be one of this game changers as you do winning the lottery, yet you still wait ini the line…. Hoping…

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          Dave67, Absolutely I do David. I went out on my own 5 years ago and barely made it through 2008 and have lost 50% income every year since then. but i love what I do and am one of very few in my niche market across the nation. If Obama will quit stiffling business I know I will do very well. I have hunkered down the last 5 years and am making some profit after it is all over with. sure I could do better on the Gubment check line, but that would kill my spirt as an American. Mind as well move to Cuba if i was to do that. If I can make it through these hard times without a college education why can’t the rest of these gubment check cashers. I don’t hope to make it big, I fight daily to make it big and I wiill succeed if they dont make it any harder for me. That is the only hope I have left. GET OUT OF MY WAY DC and OBLAMYA

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Brad, many Americans are like you: they only want the freedom to work toward success without the unnecessary hindrances of big government taking their economic life blood from them through unnecessary taxation and regulation. It’s not easy to pass those costs onto the consumer who only wants to buy cheap crap from Walmart.

      • “Dallas”

        OH MY GOSH!
        When you say things like that about Conservatives, it tells ME that you really don’t know or understand True Conservatism.
        Among those I have had associations and direct conversations with over my many years have been with Diehard Liberals (Family members as well), Lukewarm Liberals, Lukewarm Conservatives, seemingly a very limited number of Diehard Conservatives and a Card carrying Communist in academia (with Manual in hand).

        For some reason, I seem to attract people of the opposite “view”. Darn it, Should I have put my effort into attracting “the opposite sex”? Too late now.

        Anyway, I think I have a pretty good idea of where society stands and it’s quite easy to see where “the momentum” is taking this once great country.

        God Our Father, have mercy upon us all, who were once Your people. Help us to be so again. AMEN!

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Dallas, I like your use of the word momentum. I’ll add “Forward” to “Momentum”. I think your point is this: that once an object begins to move the laws of physics begins to take over in a different way. Sir Isaac Newton said that an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by a equal or stronger force. This can be said this way also: Law 1, Every body persists in its state of being at rest or of moving uniformly straight forward (I’m drawing attention to the words “straight forward”), except insofar as it is compelled to change its state by force impressed. Sir Isaac Newton. I believe you can say this law can be applied to a person or group of persons with a political agenda? The second law states: The acceleration a of a body is parallel and directly proportional to the net force F and inversely proportional to the mass m, i.e., F = ma. This applies to political groups as well; as the number of it’s adherents increase the amount of force can be increased to accelerate their cause. It’s going to take a considerable amount of force to stop the momentum of this “Forward Momentum” monster.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Great question Doug. I would love to se that, do you have a link? I would use it everytime the question came up about the imposter he is.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      Doug Rodrigues, in my opinion Obama is evil. For sure he knows and understands the constitution he just hates it and what it stands for like most liberals do. They hate the idea of equal rights to do a fair days labor for a days wage fair or not as they cry that the businessman is stealing from them every time they get their paycheck as agreed. But they don’t look at the deductions and say that the government is stealing from them. They don’t look at their receipt when they go to the store and wonder how much of that ten dollar item was really the taxes that the business had to add back in to the cost of the product that they just got through paying sales tax on.

      And it’s amazing to me that the liberals will never address this tax issue with anything other than “big business needs to pay their fair share”. That’s like giving the keys to the bank, sending the guards home and turning off all of the alarms. It’s begging to be robbed time.

      • Tag

        I really have a problem with people that uses the espression “like most’, or “like all other’s – so my question to you would be – have you MET most that you can speak for them? Or, is that merely your interpretation, consequently just your opinion and not facts?

        • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

          No Tag we all feel we can read that commie pretty well by his actions. Enough said, now go back to sleep.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Tag, let’s see, from the liberals that I personally know and those that I meet here I would say so and with that I can extrapolate that this is true for most liberals. I’m right. BTW did you not read the very beginning of my comment? I did say “In my opinion”.

          I’ll say it again: in my opinion most liberals hate the constitution. There, does that clarify what I think?

          • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

            Just as Odrama stated to Chris Wallace I think, It is that spescky little document called the constitution

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Brad, for sure little but powerful.

  • bobsuncle

    you know i actually considered leaving a knowledgable refute to all this, but what’s the point. i come on here for to keep my mind open to new perspectives and maybe learn something but all i end up doing is having a worrisome snicker.

  • Dave67

    Bob Livingston says:
    May 9, 2012 at 1:05 pm
    Dear Dave67,

    You write: “…the unemployment rate has been on a downward trend (of course, you will cite the people dropping out of the labor force to counter and only when a more conservative president that is to your liking gets in, will any positive news be validated by people like you).” The truth is neither liberal nor conservative. It just is. See my response to Doc Sarvis above re: unemployment.

    You write: “How did the United States come out of the Great Depression? Was it spending cuts and low taxes?” Yes.

    You write: “Do you have any info there?” http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2008/12/higgs_on_the_gr.html

    You write: “Corptocracy (sic) needs to end in this country. Wealthy interests are served to keep the masses dumb in this country. Those interests give alot of money to the GOP and Democratic parties.” Agreed.

    Best wishes,
    Bob

    —————–

    I see the link you gave says nothing about tax cuts and spending cuts fixing the economy during the depression…. Yet you still think deregulation, tax cuts and spending cuts are the cure all… Why? When you have no evidence that it has in the past?

    In WW2, EVERYONE sacrificed to win the war. Not like today when Bush and his criminal band of blue bloods started wars because he felt like it and it would make money for his oil buddies and the burden was put only on the military and their familes to shoulder. There were no tax cuts, the Gov wanted everyone to pay taxes and buy bonds to help pay for the war. There were no massive tax cuts…. Manufacturing was recalibrated to make war related products (Another word for that is spending) and then after WW2, the rest of the economies were smashed… We were the only game in town. We got very rich because of it.

    Again, nothing in that story champions the tax cut, spending cuts and deregulation as why we got out of the depression.

    • FreedomFighter

      A little reality check

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Up-k4Lho8&feature=related

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Dave67

        Using George Carlin to make you points is like using Jesus Christ to justify pre-emptive war. But regardless… My point stands.

        FF, have you started petitioning Obama to take over the oil industry like you want him to yet?

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Dave67,

      You write; ” I see the link you gave says nothing about tax cuts and spending cuts fixing the economy during the depression…. ” If I am not mistaken, the podcast addresses that in detail. Here is a shorter link for you. http://mercatus.org/publication/us-postwar-miracle

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Dave67

        Ok, read that one too… Lets think about it again… We just stopped being on a war footing in WW2… OF COURSE spending will go down. The article says nothing about tax rates, which were high. We still had those protections learned from the depression in place and we prospered because our ecconomy was the only real game in town. This article, not your other link supports your claim that the key to economic prosperity and freedom is spending cuts, lower taxes and deregulation. Gov needs to act as a check against business and union abuses, we as citizens have the responsibility to hold gov accountable. That is how it should work. But these days Gov works for business’s bidding and we as citizens are just too happy to replace a Dem with a Rep and vice versa thinking something will change.

        To make our economy better we need to

        1) Change our trade policies to support American workers first
        2) Reduce spending on various areas like defense, subsidies for big business etc
        3) Change the entitlements around to handle the aging population.
        4) Raise taxes on the rich and close the loopholes
        5) Demand the best public education system in the world.

        Deregulation was a major cause of this economic collapse and the depression and what was done does not support your theory. We have 40 year lows in taxes and spending is out of control (partly understandable during an economy like this).

        There needs to be a comprehesive apprach to fix the economy but unfortunately, conseravtives won’t raise taxes, and liberals do not want to hear about changes to entitlements. If you think a reduction ini entitlements is a cure, look at what is happening in Europe and those austerity programs? They are being rejected soundly and whole political systems are in upheaval due to it. Not good… We need a smarter approach.

  • bscott

    hahaha . a lot of you keep going for all the sucker stuff that’s put out there . always follow the big money . i.e. look at walmart . it initially made its mark by trumpeting low prices & made in AMERICA . guess what came first – AMERICA or money ? hahaha . now look at fox . good old rupert has made all his money from right wing ideology and convincing his audience that they will only receive the truth from him – those undocumented aliens are at fault for almost everything . now guess rupert’s next moneymaking venture ? a spanish language cable network . guess he’s not planning on all those viewers getting deported , huh ? now of course this goes on on both sides of the aisle . discuss birth certificates & commies & hippies all you want . that way they’ll do whatever they want & you be watching the dog & pony show . hahaha . so long suckers !

  • RichE

    That’s funny
    Why is it that the 9/11 Commission budget was far less than the budget allotted to the Monica Lewinsky affair?

    How is it possible that the Pentagon’s highly touted missile detections systems could not locate Flight 77 in the 42 minutes it was known to be lost before it crashed into the heart of the defense system of the U.S.?

  • HKaufman

    Question to all the Writers ? What is the Grand reason for not ripping that Texas JERKOFF BUSH when he was taking the economy down the Shttr??? Maybe you writers better learn Fair and non biased writing courses. LOOK into IT.. Your all lucky i am not in charge.. Everyone of you would be standing ln line applying for jobs..You do realize RACE<COLOR<disappeared around the time of LINCOLN……

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      HKaufman, don’t look now but you’ve got three fingers pointing back at you about fair and non biased. Besides, that’s our right to be biased, we’re not reporters covering the news and in my opinion there is no such a thing as “non biased”. Not all writers here are/were for anything bad that Bush did.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      HCoughwo-man, I hope you and your master loose big come November

  • http://facebook David H Behrens

    Obama is not the one to condemn any one, he is so shallow, as he flips and flops and is for anything or against anything, that the polls show that Americans like or don’t like, so he sways, to the winds of opinions, just to please and to get votes…

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Tep he flip flos like a live shark on land, Romney has nothing compared to this liar in office.

  • chuckb

    kaufman says,

    “Your all lucky i am not in charge.. Everyone of you would be standing ln line applying for jobs..You do realize RACE<COLOR<disappeared around the time of LINCOLN"

    it's too bad lincoln didn't have my attitude, grant would have handed over his sword. ……

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

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  • http://facebook Chilly

    Obama is a good Presisident who deserve another chance to serve four more years in. He save car industry ,bail out the banks and gave us health care. Help more us with loans for college. He believe in education for young and old.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Chilly, Ok put down the crack pipe you have oviously had enough goof ball

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Chilly sounds as if he was told what to write by his teacher.
        Care to guess what grade he is in.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Brad, go easy on chilly can’t you see by the language that he/she isn’t from here or as you say “have obviously had enough goof ball.” He/she can’t help it and is entitled to his/her opinion even if it is wrong. Oh well, give him/her hell. :)

    • joe

      What ever CHILLY is drinking, make mine a double.

  • Liztalk

    The MESSAGE here by John Myers – and many of those who comment – is >>> BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID! And be so afraid that you vote for who I say. Be Afraid of President Obama and vote him out! Be afraid because he HATES the Constitution, HATES America, HATES Freedom, and will take your guns. Send money and invest in my portfolio! Be afraid of economic collapse caused by Pres. Obama! BE AFRAID! Be so afraid that you can’t think for yourself — the ONLY solution to all these problems I’ve fabricated is to vote that Marxist, Socialist, Evil, Immoral, Liberty-Hating, Black Democrat out of office. <<<

    BE AFRAID!!! — of "…Obama’s dismantling of Pax Americana." — John Myers, in article above.

    BE DESPERATELY AFRAID the American dream is at risk! — "We may have one desperate last chance to save the American dream. It rests in the hands of voters who have the responsibility to see that Obama is defeated in November."
    – so says John Myers, with the only solution to all the U.S.'s problems — except for that AD up there about investing in silver, no doubt through his investment company. That will at least keep HIM in the money.

    BE VERY AFRAID!!! – and HATE Pres. Obama like I do because Democrats want a few regulations on my financial shenanigans and big profits… And then VOTE VOTE VOTE out of FEAR and HATE.

    But don't be surprised if we end up with a fear-filled state of thugs that force you to tow the line or be called a traitor.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Your posting reads as if you are the one that is afraid.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Nadzieja Batki, I noticed that also. She’s afraid, very afraid.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      Liztalk, “The MESSAGE here by John Myers – and many of those who comment – is >>> BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID! And be so afraid that you vote for who I say. Be Afraid of President Obama and vote him out! Be afraid because he HATES the Constitution, HATES America, HATES Freedom, and will take your guns. Send money and invest in my portfolio!” I don’t see anybody asking for you or anybody else to “invest in my portfolio!” Looks to me, from your hysterics, that you’re the one who is afraid. Calm down.

      “We may have one desperate last chance to save the American dream. It rests in the hands of voters who have the responsibility to see that Obama is defeated in November.” Well, that one hits the nail on the head.

      “BE VERY AFRAID!!! – and HATE Pres. Obama like I do because Democrats want a few regulations on my financial shenanigans and big profits.” At least you’re honest, a little bit, here as you admit that “Democrats want a few regulations on my financial shenanigans” Democrats don’t want just a few they are the ones who demand a lot of regulations. Now tell me dear, just what is wrong with “big profits”. You’d take them if you could get them and I wouldn’t believe you if you said otherwise. Are you just jealous of people who have a lot of money and want them to “share” them with you even though you might not have earned them?

      “And then VOTE VOTE VOTE out of FEAR and HATE. But don’t be surprised if we end up with a fear-filled state of thugs that force you to tow the line or be called a traitor.” Now Liztalk, how is it, that a group of conservative republicans that want less government and less regulations, are the ones that will “force you to tow the line or be called a traitor”? They only want those who are trying to confiscate everybody’s wealth for re-distribution to be called traitors. Calm down; you’ll feel better in the morning.

    • Ron

      I love how y’all sh*t all over everything liztalk says and tell her to ” calm down and everything will be okay in the morning” when she simply plays back a little bit of the nonsense spewed on this site every day in all it’s shrill paranoid glory–it’s like the constant blunthammer drumbeat that Obama is a “racist”–interspersed with your constant references to him as a rotten ape and his wife as an “ugly-a$$ gorilla”. Or, for that matter, four-trophy-wife totin’ Lord Limbaugh wringing his hands over the desecration of marriage.

      Hypocrisy runs deep on here, and yes, this whole thing is a scam to get people to invest in survival kits for an apocalypse that y’all are ACHING to kick-start, like Charlie Manson firing up Helter-Skelter. Only Manson wasn’t clever enough to figure out how to turn a quick buck on it.

    • HH

      WOW Liztalk, you describe Obama very well, Marxist, Socialist, Evil, Immoral, Liberty-Hating, Black Democrat………….. I don’t believe he’s evil and I know you just listed the adjectives others here have described him but it’s obvious, VERY obvious he wants to take money from the rich and give it to the poor which is socialistic.

      I’m not rich, no I’m not poor either, I’m part of the fast fading middle class. My wife and I pay a little more than a dollar out of every 4 dollars we earn to the government. Granted a part of that is social security of which I’ve paid into all my working life. I have a little money in my 401 but not enough to retire on without the help of the money I’ve paid into SS the past 40 years. If I have to give up my SS AND my retirement income to be distributed around to those who haven’t earned it I will be reduced to the lower class citizen and that’s not what I’ve worked for all my life!

      Taking money away from those who work for their wages and giving it to those who are too lazy to get out and make it on their own demoralizes both classes but the lower class don’t care about their morals as long as their getting a handout without having to do anything to get it. Whether you realized it or not the United States has the richest “lower” class of citizens in the history of the world. Why do you think the Mexicans or others want to come here? Their living in “poverty” here is like living in middle class where they come from.

      Welfare was designed to care for those who are UNABLE to care for themselves NOT for those who are too lazy to work! Just how many more of our citizens are on welfare or are receiving food stamps now since Obama has been in office? Food stamps were designed to help those who fell on hard times and are struggling to get back on their feet, again, NOT designed as handouts to the lazy of our population. If you are totally dependent on the government to survive you should have no vote in political elections, it’s a conflict of interest.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        HH, I like your point about people who receive all of their sustenance from the government having the right to vote and it being a conflict of interest. The thing about all of those gratuity programs as I call them is that they weren’t meant to be a life time gratuity for perpetual generations. Even SS can’t work for a population that isn’t growing. What happens when all of the Baby Boomers finish retiring? Also, this notion of taking people who are still physically and mentally capable of production and retiring them is nonsense to me.

  • old hillbilly

    One can always spot liberals because their inability to follow a rope from point “a” to point “be” 10 feet away! If you see an outstretched hand and eyes rolling around like a one armed bandit, you’ve found one. As barney would say, if you pare two pears it’s a pair of pears & if you pare single pare it’s just a pear, but a pair of pared onions can be a pair, but not a pared pear… so there are no truths and all utterances are equal!

    Therefore, it is perfectly logical that the religious definition of marriage since the beginning of time be changed to accommodate the religious beliefs of the heathens who believe in nothing – as long as no one mentions the defining act of marriage or how same appendage people will connect the toaster to the waffle iron and expect to get biscuits. I suppose the other end of the problem could be a problem – you can’t connect wall sockets together, but maybe plugging in two extension lights in different receptacles, stuffing the right thumb in one, the left in the other, and flipping the on switches with a “pinkie” might titillate a bit. We already know it’s OK if we don’t say what they’re doing… Maybe government needs to have the FDA, OSH, EPA, PITA, homeland security, Eric the holder, & Barney Frank check it out. Come to think about it, let’s just let it all hang out and pass some codes, regulations, & license every different thing in stages of skill and proficiency. I know if you cross the upper wave of a 110 circuit to a lower wave circuit you get 220 & that’s more than enough to fry a wire. We need Obama working on this right now before someone gets neutered or killed. If it’s a presidential issue more important that work, why not tax it?

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      old hillbilly, wow, who does your writing for you? I like that.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        And I have to add that that seems to perfectly describe the thinking process of liberals.

  • chuckb

    liztalk, are you saying that we shouldn’t be surprised if barry wins?

    “But don’t be surprised if we end up with a fear-filled state of thugs that force you to tow the line or be called a traitor.”

    that’s exactly what i’m afraid of..

    the ONLY solution to all these problems I’ve fabricated is to vote that Marxist, Socialist, Evil, Immoral, Liberty-Hating, Black Democrat out of office. <<<

    i agree, it's really great you see every thing the way i do. send the goat herder back to kenya.

    • Liztalk

      Chuckb — I assume you’re being sarcastic. But in case you’re serious, let me make it clear: I am pointing out how John Myers spreads fear for his own profit – and many of his ‘followers’ vote out of fear. I DO NOT believe that Pres. Obama is a Marxist, or a Socialist or evil or immoral or liberty-hating. I was being sarcastic — taking the role of a fear-filled extremist. The President IS a Black Democrat however, that part is true! He is not a ‘goat herder’ as you say. Although I suppose goat herding is an honorable enough profession, you seem to say (in other words believe the LIE ) that our President is not a U.S. citizen, nor a valid President, but rather a goat herder from Kenya.

      Unless… you’re also spreading that lie (even if you don’t believe it) because you want to make people AFRAID of him so they vote against him.

      You sound like one of those people I’m referring to who believe the fear-inciting lies about our President. You sound like you will vote against him because YOU are afraid his administration will take away your rights. Your fear is based on lies and right-wing propaganda. That’s my point! Haven’t you noticed it’s mostly Republicans who TAKE AWAY rights, and Democrats who try to preserve them? Bills that the Republican Congress have passed are things that tell you what you CANNOT do.

      If the people who fear this way win elections and rule, then don’t be surprised we’ll end up with a fear-filled state of thugs who call ME a traitor. I will be arrested for standing up for my opposing beliefs.

      I mostly was pointing out John Myers hypocrisy and fear-mongering.

      I shall vote for Pres. Obama again, and also mostly for Democrats for the Senate, House, and my local offices. Proudly. And in certainty that my civil and constitutional rights will be more protected by Democrats.

      • chuckb

        yes, i was being sarcastic.

        if you cannot see thru this charade your president presents then there is nothing i can say.to help you.
        unfortunately you are partly right in your reference to the republicans, they have become more of a democratic party than one representing the republic.
        barry soetoro is a fraud, no one seems to know much about this guy or where he came from, his color has little to do with it, his unwillingness to disclose the documents pertaining to his person leaves much doubt to his honesty.
        his policies have been utter failures and has indebted this nation more than all the presidents before him.
        you call people liars when they accuse him of not being a citizen, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he is legally a naturalized citizen, his so called father was certainly not one.
        where did he get his social security card, this has been proven fraudulent, where are his school records? primary thru college, when did he change his name from soetoro to obama. where is his passport?
        if you are willing to vote for this kind of person, i can only say you must be black or a really naive bolshevik. (democrat)

      • Liztalk

        Chuckb — You are very sad, believing all those extreme right-wing propaganda/lies. I’ll vote for Obama for President because I know he is the best candidate for the country. My race should not matter. You show you are racist by believing I could only vote for him if I were black. Or that Obama is “this kind of person.” Whatever the hell that means! And when you say “no one knows where he came from.” — you are absurd. Where did ANYONE ‘come from?” He was born from his white mother who was from Kansas – and he was born in Hawaii, in case you haven’ heard. (His father being from another country has nothing to do with HIM (our President) being a U.S. citizen) You don’t believe this because you’d rather hate him for being a Democrat and being a little different than our previous presidents. (half black, half white, a strange name, and a Democrat to boot) Plus you’ve been TOLD to think this way.

        You won’t vote for him because you believe he is not a true citizen??? Pathetic! Or that he’s a socialist or bolshevik or whatever. Or that he hates the constitution and will inbed Sharia law in America…. etc etc etc…. You CHOOSE to believe all those fake accusations, which have been proven to be false. I could so-call “prove” anyone has a false school record, or ss card etc. Imyself have a birth certificate that doesn’t have my middle name printed. Horrors! OR I could CALL someone a ‘Socialist” or I could say YOU hate the constitution — and that’s supposed to make it true?? If FOX News or Rush Limbaugh or Bob Livingston or John Myers calls the President a Socialist, then it must be true, yeah. I won’t waste any more time arguing this, as I won’t change your dogmatic, narrow, stubborn, brain-washed mind.

        You prove the original point I was trying to make — that FEAR and FEARMONGERING make people do irrational things harmful to themselves and others. Like VOTE against their own self-interests. And spread lies.

        Very sad.

        And to lighten up a little, Chuckb… my rant is not directed solely at you. There are others on this blog who believe as you do… which does not make it right or true.

        Still, very sad.

      • HH

        Liztalk, I don’t agree with every thing Chuckb has said but I have to agree with him on one point. If you can’t see through Obama’s socialist agenda by the thing he’s done while in office and the way he’s running his present campaign then there is no hope for you. I don’t have to listen to Rush or any of the others you speak of to see through him. Socialism DOES NOT WORK! If you want to live in socialism then MOVE TO RUSSIA or CUBA! We want our REPUBLIC BACK!!!

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          HH, yes most of us want our republic back and socialism used to be against the law here. Central Planning and the government ownership of the means of production and distribution goes against the Constitution of the United States of America. For YHWH, for the Law, and for this Country.

  • allosaur

    Love that photo of Mr. Potatohead’s back. Bye! Don’t go away mad–just go away!

  • Thinking About

    It is interesting artilce list manufactor in 1970 and did not follow through the years with the decline of manufactoriing jobs in the USA. They have been declining for years and now we are at a low point though this seems to be turning around. Credit is due where it belongs and the decline of manufactoring jobs should go to the proper time also.

    • old hillbilly

      lizzzzzzz – Remember… Dorthy lived in Kansas too… easy to get sucked up in a whirlpool of wind & tootsied off to OZ. Wear a seat belt & carry a cement block with you… keeps boff feet on the ground.

      Thinker… Right on – beginning in very eary 1990′s – Bush1… Clinton & NAFTA… Bush2… now Obama… all world government global monopolist puppets – all tied to the globalization of banking; mutual funds…, manufacturing pyramids that tippie toed off to China while everyone was sleeping, & woosh here we are, worshipping thieves, hands out, nothing to do, no fun, & getting hungry and restless!

      Pyramids of power used to convert your power and wealth into a robot controlled by the sitter atop the pyramid. Yes, all the weight of the pyramid is resting all the little immobile lumps of clay on the bottom

  • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ Silas Longshot

    Can your imagination stretch far enough to see what another 4 years of this Marxist agenda will do, without the worry of reelection to hinder the plans? And dump on top of that the economy crash of Europe which could happen any day. Things could get really interesting. Prepare. Click the name

  • old hillbilly

    :
    Not believing Obama is evil is not listening or looking. Taking from the rich is taking. Talking about it is talking. Believe and trust in God. Man must judge man by man’s deeds. No one “takes” from a Bush, Obama, Soros, Goldman-“sacks”, GE, or any of the truly rich. Government can’t take anything from the poor because they have nothing to take! That leaves hundreds of millions of (“you & me’s) – Government takes from anyone who has the gumption to work, beginning bottom up, as in Van Jones “bottom up top down to communism”.

    “The who” earned commissions and bail outs and who was tossed out of foreclosed homes in the housing scandal; says Barney Frank retired in luxury and honor while millions were tossed in the street penniless! Countless millions like you are pay enough into SSI-MED to fund between almost 6 to over 15 pensions @ of ½ of full pay! (run an annuity -15.3% tax, 46 yr. to 65/yrs & 13 yr out to 78/yrs, @ a mere 5%ROI!) Government thieves tell you it takes over two workers to pay one SSI-M benefit… the way they operate their scam, but slyly fail to mention that’s because they’re LOOTING THE FUND! You get squat, because benefits are paid by current worker deposit “investments”, general tax revenue, and borrowing – NOT A TRUST FUND! Madoff did the same thing until he ran out of money, was arrested, and jailed for the rest of his life. Obama, Bernanke, Geitner, and others before them simply print more fake money and IOU’s. Result: Their CPI numbers tell you your 1965 dollars invested are now 14 cents, but that isn’t there because they increased benefits for inflation, and it disappeared long ago. They let global banks that were bailed out use your deposits essentially interest free, so the “your” funds didn’t earn anything. Instead of a stable $40K wage ($281,520) SSIM accumulated investment growing to $1,092,620 at b/d65, you have a nest full of dung and a fence row of buzzards laughing at you!

    Obama loves it & won’t change anything! Romney agrees with Obama, but wants to slide it off the table – put the honey pot in control of the same “GLOBAL BANKERS” that GOVERNMENT allowed to loot the SSI trust funds! Neither one will tell you what’s happening or how to fix it (start jailing thieves!), because Washington DC would become a penal colony.

    Obama’s EVIL is spending trillions we don’t have, sacking citizen pension funds of all types, giving invaders and mortal enemies hundreds of billions of citizen money and benefits, regulating our natural energy, material resources, and production capabilities out of existence to enable, global monopolists, etc… to impoverish and enslave this nation! Romney is unlikely to sack the treasury, but his ties to global monopolist “world rule” is a sign of doom. The nation can be saved by purging all progressive rhinos and democrats from the national and state legislatures. We need honest moral people who will aggressively risk life and lovability to purge, prosecute, and punish corruption!

  • old hillbilly

    PS: If you’re looking for rational reasons… & understanding for all this crap, realize it is as simple as recognizing that the first lie that is covered up, instead of followed up with an immediate apology… is EVIL Call it what it is! Fight it or drown in it! Obama’s anchor isn’t a life-preserver!

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