Obamacare — They Broke It, You Bought It: The Great Eight

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Party at Dougie’s house! Say “Heil” to Hillary 2016! And Obamacare continues to ObamaFail. All this — plus — the return of Tingle Boy! Presented in 1080 hi-def, FOR FREE! It’s The Great Eight, from the Personal Liberty Digest™!

Personal Liberty

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • joshuasweet

    I figured it Out Man Bear Pig:
    Soros, Obama and Gore, not necessarily in that order mind you.

  • FreedomFighter

    “Eyeing Pluto” —– Good one Ben, another great 8 as usual.

    Random Saturday Thought:

    After following a heuristic based, train of thought in Collateral deaths fighting Radical Islam, a strange question came up: Is Radical Islam accelerating development of Single Target Autonomous Robot Mission Assassination Neutralization or STARMAN Musing Project type robots?

    These “killerbots” will do the work, our current drones do, only they will seek out a single target, becoming a soulless demon of execution. These robots will have incredible capabilities, such as regenerating liquid armor, stealth capabilities, advanced sensors, battlefield, infiltration, tactical programming and very precise energy based weapons systems, “hit a moving tennis ball at 2 miles good”. Water, ground and Air mission capabilities, combined with high durability chassis of Titanium blends and advanced crystal structure polymers, possible molecular level “combined” exotic materials construction of only guessed at specification. These robots will be extremely tuff, difficult to stop, impervious to small arms fire and maybe small rockets.

    All because of collateral deaths? The history of modern war demonstrates and supports reduction of collateral deaths, accelerating the development of these robots. I don’t think semi-autonomous extremely tuff, Terminator style drone strikes will make anyone any happier, esp. if one becomes damaged or hacked and buzzes thru a few medium towns, ripping everyone into pieces,
    till its stopped-who is going to want to clean up that mess?

    “Beware the red eyed demon in the night”–Starman Project Creator M.E.

    Laus DeoSemper FI

    • Fred

      Do you mean like this one, being developed for OUR military. Heck, you can’t outrun these things, even in the woods!

      • Fred
        • Vis Fac

          The more complicated the machinery the more than can go wrong disabling it. Our old engineering adage KISS

          To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper Fi

        • vicki

          Now why does this make me think of “cow tipping”? :)

      • NC

        Fred, if we are going to spend that kind of money, I hope it can follow the perp to the toilet!

      • Vis Fac

        Fred It’s just another target for my .30-06 can’t out run it but can hear it a mile away.

        To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

        You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper Fi

    • nc

      Freedom, I hope those who would do harm to our nation learn to fear a red eyed demon in the night! With just what we have now they have stopped using their cell phones for fear of being “tracked” and hit by something they never see or hear! We must learn to kill fewer children until we hopefully reach a point where we kill no children. It may be just a dream but it can never happen if we stop the dream!

      • FreedomFighter

        Lets just hope that those that control them, can maintain control of them.
        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

      • Don 2

        “We must learn to kill fewer children until we hopefully reach a point where we kill no children.”

        Glad to hear that you’re pro-life, and not pro-abortion, nc.

        • nc

          Don 2, I am not pro abortion! If the people who advocate no choice at all for a living breathing citizen over her body would accept the standards of the Republican approved Roe V. Wade we would have no problem!
          Have you ever seen the polls as to where American citizens stand on a total ban on abortion? What does our Constitution say about abortions?

          • Don 2

            nc, you said that you are not pro-abortion. Correct?

            I give up, you tell me what the Constitution says about abortions?

            Have you seen recent polls on where Americans stand on limited abortions?

            Have you ever seen actual videos of late term abortions, or infanticide?

  • Douglas

    I noticed the ‘Disqus’ note above and that Disqus, and social media sites, will be the only way to comment after Nov. 4. I signed up for Disqus a long time ago, but noticed almost immediately that most of my comments would be published, but within a few minutes would disappear. [censored?] Then, whenever I attempted to access Disqus, or the social network sites that then require you to list Disqus, all I get is “Diagnose connection problems”. Diagnosing the problem brings back there “is no problem”. Attempting to go directly to the Disqus website ‘login’ also blocks me from the system. I have to wonder whether Disqus is merely a monitoring system to prevent significant ‘revelations’ from being put into the comment sections of supposedly “liberty promoting, conservative” websites.

    • trugrits

      Most of my posts do not even go through. Censorship anybody? Just when I wished I was for once left off a list I get chosen.
      If you can’t shut the conservative sites down then the libtards censor them.

      • Karolyn

        The only censorship that exists is that conducted by the list owner/moderator. Contact Bob Livingston. He is most accommodating. You can bet if what you are saying is true, Bob would not be using Disqus. Either that or your posts are so profane and break the rules that they really are censored.

        • trugrits

          If what I say is out of the rules then Bob would be shut down also. I have no need to use profanity as I have more intelligence than that.
          When I hit the post it the post just keeps showing a circular icon that just doesn’t post then.

          • Karolyn

            That’s not censorship; that’s some kind of glitch. Try a different browser. I have problems with some things using Explorer, but then using Firefox it will work.

    • independent thinker

      “… all I get is “Diagnose connection problems”. Diagnosing the problem brings back there “is no problem”.”
      I was having similar problems then my computer went belly up and I had to get a new one.
      As far as posting here, I had a few problems when PLD first started using Discus but after that everything is just fine.

      • Mike W

        It is not surprising that the health act has a difficult time. If you are working on a national project, and don’t know until the last minute if it will be cancelled or defunded, and then discover that half of the state administrstions are refusing to cooperate and some are trying to sabotage it, you would expect trouble and delay.

    • Vis Fac

      Discus is a liberal moderated conglomerate using many hosting server sites On one such site I have been banned (IP address) Being tech savvy I can get around these impedances so I still post when I want. That’s fine but there are (socialist) moderators who peruse these threads and have the power to remove comment. Soon the government will have their goons in the fray and then we’ll revert to passing notes like Bin Laden (now who’s the terrorists??)

      To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper Fi

      • Karolyn

        Where did you get your info that Disqus is “liberal/’ To you, guys, everything is a conspiracy. Occasionally, I run into problems with Disqus, especially with responding to a specific post I’ve been notified of. However, lately it seems to be working fine. If there was any kind of censorship, other than Bob Livingston, I would imagine this site wouldn’t even exist.

        • Vis Fac

          Are you that naive? Are you an adult or an adolescent pretending to be an adult The fact that not only some of my postings have been deleted but others as well is a sure indication of liberal censorship.

          I suggest you visit this site the information contained therein may or may not shock you answers to many questions are addressed there

          http://vimeo.com/63749370
          Agenda Grinding America Down

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper Fi

          • Karolyn

            Well, gee, some of my posts have disappeared too. How do you explain that (since you say I’m a liberal)? I’m just hoping Bob contributes his two cents to this thread. The vitriol and anti-liberal comments on this site are some of the worst I’ve ever seen. How do they get through?

          • Vis Fac

            You obviously posted something verboten. I know you didn’t go to the link otherwise you wouldn’t have asked the question.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper Fi

  • PLW

    Hopefully the Tax Payers do not have to pay for the computer errors commited by companies that had no idea what they were doing. They had years to prepare the programs and failed. Now they will probably need more millions for the repairs. Just another reason Government should not be involved in any business (free enterprise) venture. It has always been a lose, lose result for the Tax Payers. Over $500,000,000.00 spent for the start up with more money to follow for the corrections. The companies that organized and incorrectly programed a failed system get paid for their failures…. Who is responsible for authorizing the system and payments? MORE GOVERNMENT WASTE!!!!!

    • NC

      PLW, war for the wrong reason is Waste. Tax breaks for the rich that don’t do what they were supposed to do is WASTE for the tax payer who did not get them!
      FREE INTERPRIZE RAN THE HEALTH CARE BUSINESS! FREE INTERPRIZE RAN THE HEALTH INSURANCE BUSINESS!
      UNDER FREE INTERPRIZE THE COSTS TO THE CITIZENS OF BOTH BECAME A MATTER OF GREAT CONCERN! TO THOSE WHO COULD AFFORD NEITHER IT HAS BECAME A MATTER OF LIFE OR DEATH!!
      AS AN ADULT , DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT IF LEFT ALONE FREE INTERPRIZE WILL CORRECT THE SITUATION? DO YOU HAVE AN EXPLANATION OF WHY THEY HAVEN’T ALREADY???
      WHAT IS THE REPUBLICAN AND LIBERTARIAN “PLAN” TO GIVE AMERICANS SOME RELIEF????? AMERICANS SEEM TO WANT SOME RELIEF FROM THE SITUATION WHERE WITHOUT SOME INSURANCE ONE MAJOR OPERATION WILL RUIN THEM FINANCIALLY FOR LIFE OR A FAILURE TO GET THE OPERATION WILL TAKE THEIR LIFE!

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Rant, rant, rant. Here you support the party that is responsible for the disappearing of the middle class, ever expanding government, the unconstitutional welfare state, record debt, and so many other things that it would take hours just to write them all. Let’s also not forget the KKK, spreading of slavery, Jim Crow Laws, gerrymandering, poll taxes, literacy tests, seperate but equal, and not one democrat voted in favor of the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments. Sheesh! Here is an article by a patriotic woman about Obama bin Laden’s technology czars.

        http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/10/25/what-happened-to-all-of-obamas-technology-czars-n1731775/page/full

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

        “The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.”

        Adolf Hitler

        *Sounds like what is happening today in our country.

        • Bill

          Good comment, Samurai
          If we encouraged the private sector to expand, there would be plenty of money to pay for social programs, opportunities would open up for everyone not just specified people and tax revenues would increase.
          But that is to simple and not in the progressives agenda

          • Vis Fac

            Bill Click on the link to my reply to samurai

            To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper Fi

        • Vis Fac

          GO HERE

          http://vimeo.com/63749370
          Agenda Grinding America Down

          To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper Fi

        • NC

          Samurai, did you spend too much time in ASIA??
          Do you KNOW anything about the status of the Democrat Party during the years of the advent of the 13th- 15th amendments? The 1860s???
          WE ENDED UP ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE WAR AND WERE NOT A “DECIDER” DURING THAT PERIOD! THEY PUT US IN “TIME OUT”
          ps: BUT WE CAME ROARING BACK!!!!
          There have been some Democrats in my life time that I have been ashamed of for their racist policies! Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond and a few others come to mind! But if you know the history you will know that they pulled out of the Democrat Party, formed a party of their own and were later absorbed into the Republican Party and ran as Republicans for the balance of their lives! THEY AND THEIR ILK ARE THE RIGHT WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OR LIBERTARIANS TODAY!
          You are most welcome to them!!!
          I am sure the Republicans have a few they are not real proud of in their past! AGNEW, KEATING, NIXON, BUSH I bush II, cheney Bachmann and Caribou Barbie Palin to name a few!
          SINCE WE HAVE NEVER HAD A TRUE CONSERVATIVE IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION LIBERTARIANS HAVE ESCAPED THAT INDIGNITY!! BUT WE AMERICANS HAVE ALSO ESCAPED THE INDIGNITY OF LAPSING BACK TO THE 18TH CENTURY AND FORFEITING OUR ADVANCEMENTS!
          SEMPER FI

        • macgyver1948

          Hi samurai… Still fight the wrong side thing huh? Good for you…

      • WTS/JAY

        Was there ever a war fought for the right reasons, nc?

        • nc

          wts, as long as there are people it seems there will be wars and rumors of war! Do we have a choice unless something changes the nature of man?? We can have some control over the ones we start!

      • independent thinker

        And nc has yet another temper tantrum as he screams incoherently.

      • Bill

        Have you applied for your Obamacare yet, NC

      • Jana

        Oh blah blah blah, I refuse to read anything NC says if he is going to have a conniption fit while trying to say it. If he can’t talk in a normal manner then forget him!

        • Vis Fac

          NC is a Socialist shill used to bomb these threads. Socialists use stupid people ( you should know that I am the least politically correct person you’ll ever meet) who are easily manipulated to carry out their assault on our freedoms.

          NC believes he will be rewarded for his efforts but most likely be the first booted out the door.

          To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper Fi

        • Vis Fac

          NC is a Socialist shill used to bomb these threads. Socialists use stupid people ( you should know that I am the least politically correct person you’ll ever meet) who are easily manipulated to carry out their assault on our freedoms.

          NC believes he will be rewarded for his efforts but most likely be the first booted out the door.

          To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

          You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper Fi

      • Ron

        our plan was to give you Obamacare…you will die with that 1st and your last breath you will still blame everyone else!!! “INTERPRIZE”…is that kinda like Star Trek????

      • Vis Fac

        NUT CASE You are being used as a pawn by the Socialistic elite to further their agenda. They have selected and programmed you because you have been dumbed down to not realize you have been used.

        The have told you that you will receive a piece of the pie and you have bought it Yes under socialism someone is going to get something unfortunately that someone won’t be you!!

        To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

        You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper Fi

        • NC

          Force< I do not feed the wolf out of fear! The wolf has never arrested me or any one I know for political reasons nor has the wolf put me in a FEMA CAMP! THE wolf has never come to my door to confiscate my weapons! The wolf has never taxed me into poverty! I HAVE NEVER LOST A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO THE WOLF! GO WHERE I WANT TO! SAY WHAT I WANT TO! CAN'T YOU???? WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM??
          DO I WANT THE WOLF TO KNOW MORE, much more, ABOUT WHAT THE ENEMY IS DOING AROUND THE WORLD THAN WHAT I KNOW OR CAN LEARN?? YOU BET YOU YOUR ARSE I DO! THAT WOLF HAS KEPT MY ENEMIES ARMIES FROM MY SHORES SINCE 1812 !! WAY TO GO WOLF!!!
          If you fear the wolf it is only because you want to fear the wolf!

          • Vis Fac

            Well pal you don’t think you’ve lost any constitutional rights but you’re dead wrong. Just because you don’t care about your rights doesn’t mean you haven’t lost them. I refer to this little bit of wisdom “tiz better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them. If this soars over your head you’ve completely brainwashed and are indeed a Socialist pawn.

            They said there would never be another world war after the first yet WWII occurred They said a man would never set foot on the moon yet this to came to pass

            Hoping the wolf wont eat you is like you hiding in the closet hoping you’ll stay out of sight and be passed by

            The fact that you have yet to experience being eaten does not mean it can’t or won’t. By the virtue of it happening to others should alarm you because it could happen to you By your apathy saying it’s OK for others to be eaten allows the same to happen to you I have yet to be eaten but I’ll be damned if I’ll give them the chance.

            NC you need an education I suggest starting here

            http://vimeo.com/63749370
            Agenda Grinding America Down

            The Wolf is outside your door and you are OBLIVIOUS

            To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

            You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper Fi

          • Don 2

            nc, you never lost a constitutional right to the wolf? Let me know the next time you buy a 20 oz. soda in a NYC theatre, deli, or restaurant.

      • Frank Kahn

        AND THE SCREAMING MATCH STARTS.

        THERE HAS BEEN NO “FREE ENTERPRISE”, IN THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, FOR DECADES. THE MASSIVE REGULATIONS FOISTED ON THE MEDICAL PROFESSION HAS MADE PRIVATE PRACTICE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO MAINTAIN, WITH ANY PROFIT. THIS HAS FORCED MOST ALL DOCTORS INTO A CORPORATE SITUATION. THESE CORPORATIONS ARE FAVORED BY THE GOVERNMENT. SINCE THE CORPORATIONS HAVE A FORM OF MONOPOLY (CARTEL) THEY CAN SET THE PRICES WHERE THEY WANT THEM, INSTEAD OF HAVING COMPETITION REGULATE THE COST. IF YOU WANT THE PRICES TO COME DOWN, YOU NEED TO ELIMINATE ALL OF THE UNNECESSARY GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IN THE HEALTH CARE MARKET. EVEN MEDICARE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIGHER HEALTH CARE COSTS. THIS IS BECAUSE, THE GOVERNMENT ARTIFICIALLY LOWERS THE AMOUNT THAT DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS GET PAID FOR SERVICES. THAT RESULTS IN THEM CHARGING THE REST HIGHER PRICES. HEALTH CARE INSURANCE IS ANOTHER PLAYER IN RAISING COST. THEY HELP TO ELIMINATE COMPETITION OF SUPPLIERS TO THEIR CONSUMERS. IF THE CONSUMER CAN’T NEGOTIATE FEES ON HIS/HER OWN BEHALF THEN THERE IS NO FREE MARKET PRESSURE TO KEEP COSTS DOWN. SINCE HEALTH INSURANCE HELPS INFLATE THE COST OF HEALTH CARE, FORCING EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE IN THEIR USAGE WILL AGGRAVATE THE PROBLEM. INSURANCE IS ALSO A CARTEL (MONOPOLY) AND IS FAVORED BY THE GOVERNMENT, OVER INDIVIDUAL CONSUMER INFLUENCE.

        FORCING EVERYONE TO PAY MORE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE, WHICH WILL RAISE THE COST OF CARE, WILL NOT HELP THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZENS GET BETTER OR MORE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE. IT MIGHT HELP HIGH RISK PARTICIPANTS PAY LESS BUT THE OVERALL BENEFIT TO COST RATIO IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

        • Bob666

          Frank & NC Screaming at each other-Well matched I say!

    • Jana

      Of course we the taxpayers have to pay for the computer errors. We have to pay for the computers, and the companies that will do the maintenance etc. as where do you think the Government gets its money? From the taxes that they TAKE from us, the citizens that pay them.
      By the way we also pay the inept Kathleen Sebelius salary who keeps saying she does not work for us, she only works for the President. We also pay for the inept Obama and his wife’s staff of 26.

  • stluyjuy

    I love Ben

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Good morning fellow patriots. I smell libturds and progturds roasting on an open fire. Let’s stack them up high and make a bonfire. Here are some more articles dealing with Obama bin Laden the pretender.

    http://www.lastresistance.com/3463/court-ruling-bring-obamacare/

    http://www.netrightdaily.com/2013/10/obama-owes-america-apology/

    http://www.lastresistance.com/3465/faint-rose-garden-faked/

    Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. No quarter! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    “What luck for the rulers that men do not think.”

    Adolf Hitler

    *Sounds like the people that voted for Obama bin Laden.

  • 1olderbutwiser1

    Fantastic! One of the best great8’s I’ve seen. Congrats, Ben.

  • Shorty Stuff

    If McCain runs again, it should be as a democrat this time.

    • Jana

      I wrote to him via email and told him that! I also wrote to the National Republican Party and told them my opinion of McCain.

      • Don 2

        I also wrote to Hanoi’s Revenge two weeks ago. Told him he couldn’t amount to a pimple on Ted Cruz’s a$$.

        • Jana

          Well, I wanted to tell him to keep his big mouth shut, but instead told him to quit dissing the Rep. Party as he only made himself look foolish. At the time I couldn’t think of anything harsher.
          Maybe I should have asked for suggestions :)

      • JeffH

        I also wrote to the NRP and told them to stop soliciting donations because I wouldn’t donate one red cent to them…I also gave them my opinion of the Republican Party…wasn’t good either.

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. No quarter. We all know about Bill Gates sending medicne to Africa to help the people there, but are actually hurting them. The medicine in question is a contraceptive.

    http://www.visiontoamerica.com/16119/gates-foundation-pushing-dangerous-contraceptives-on-black-populations/

    I guess that libturs and progturds don’t just believe in infanticide, but they also wish to punish the mother for getting pregnant. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    “Everything for the State; nothing outside the State; nothing against the State.”

    Benito Mussolini

    • ridge runner

      Should send the(meds) to the the south side of Chicogo and any other generational welfare pig huts. Best way to stop the constant government breeding programs, is make the 2 creaters work at any type of jobs available cleaning public toliets, sweeping streets, .mowing road ditches and cleaning up trash, building fences and cutting down bug trees, walking on beaches with garbage sacks picking up cigarette butts on all government owned oroperty. All to off set the costs of their spawn and drug use.

      • nc

        ridge, you might not have a bad plan if you add to it the people who voted for bush twice!! To pay the costs of those unnecessary wars( bush’s bastard babies) especially the trillion dollars yet to come to provide for the care of the young military personnel blown apart by their actions!! If they will do that we will let them off for wrecking the economy with the bush fiscal policy!!! FAIR IS FAIR!!

        • Palin16

          Bush, baa! The buck stops here, comrade.

    • Karolyn

      They NEED contraceptives in Africa! Too many people, too little food and necessities – that, and a high rate of aids.

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    We all know about the record number of people on foodstamps, but now they are going to have their benefits cut back, thanks to the libturds and progturds.

    http://www.visiontoamerica.com/16093/47-million-food-stamp-recipients-are-having-their-benefits-cut-back-on-novenber-1st/

    FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위헤서!
    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    “I calmly say, ‘Your child belongs to us already. What are you? You will pass on, Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.”

    Adolf Hitler

    • Erasmus Silvanus

      Awesome post! I spent 2 years in a Korea teaching English, never expected to see a post with Korean. I took Korean lessons for about 3 months I always had trouble saying 를! One thing I can honestly say, I enjoyed my time in Korea, but America in all her faults, especially right now, is still hard to beat! You are exactly right, Faith in God is the only thing that will save this country!

  • Palin16

    Harry Reid said this week “everyone wants to pay more taxes”. Is he really that senile? Where did he get that information from? He sure didn’t ask me. Not one red cent more!

    • Vis Fac

      Have you ever seen a democrat pay anything close to his “fair share” ? Hint you never will they’re too busy rummaging through “our” pockets

      Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15. — Ronald Reagan

      Liberals = Socialists = Communists !!!! http://vimeo.com/63749370

      To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper Fi

    • macgyver1948

      Palin16… No one wants to pay more taxes, it is too unrealistic to assume anyone does. But there are many who believe there are times when it is necessary such as George H Bush in his one-only term as president and after his “Read my lips” campaign promise not to.. When the economy needs a raise in taxes or when a temporary tax break should expire is probably a good time to consider raising taxes or bringing them back to their rightful levels. Which side do you think fights those realistic needs more?

      • Palin16

        I would call for doing away with all politician’s luxuries first. They don’t need to be chauffeured around in limos and given credit card expense accounts to wine and dine with their favorite lobbiests. Harry’s been around long enough to know you need two-thirds of congress to raise taxes. Ain’t gonna happen.

        • macgyver1948

          Palin16… You say “I would call for doing away with all politician’s luxuries first”. Wow, we agree on something, after all they work for us and they seem to forget that. . They should be subjected to all the same things they subject us to. We are so generous with how we pay for their retirement and medical plans. I bet if they had ro rely on Social Security for when they retire it would be strong and running smoothly in a flash.

          • Jana

            Hmm the first sensible thing I have heard out of you.

          • Palin16

            Agreed.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            I can actually agree with some of what you said…
            Rand Paul has just put out a bill to change the Constitution so that all those in the DC Cesspool….are under all the legislation that they pass…

            All of congress needs to be TERM LIMITED….the shorter the better…and the Term Limits should be a Total Time…in either the House or Senate…or a spit between the 2…..my suggestion is 12 total years maximum…

          • Don 2

            macgyver, where do you come up with such rubbish as saying that “we” are so generous with how we pay for their retirement and medical plans?

            They legislate their ridiculous retirement plan, and they exempt themselves from Obamacare.

          • macgyver1948

            Don 2 (Guest)… What are you talking about? Where do you think the money comes from for their benefits? No kidding as to their “ exempt”ing themselves when they want to. There are laws even protecting Government folk from being sued. Who wrote those laws and exemptions?
            DUH!!!

      • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

        GEORGE H W BUSH was a Rino….The D****RAT Congress tossed the bill on his desk and then immediately left town…and Bush signed it…

        • macgyver1948

          “Rino’, is that the word for getting a guy to just sign what is put in from of him and holding him to it? OK…

          Funny you should say that about Sr bush. Norquist said he and his kind do not need a president with ideas of his own or telling anyone what direction the country should go in, the Right doesn’t need to be told
          that. Norquist says future presidents should come from the GOP and all they want of this “president” is a guy with digits that can work a pen and sign what ever comes to him”, Congress should make all the decisions. That is assuming, for Norquist and those at the top of the Tea Party, own both Congressional Houses.

          If they get their way what is the point of the President’s position and for that matter we could also do away with election the Senate, you know- do away with “Amendment 17 – Senators Elected by Popular Vote“.
          That is if the power structure behind so many on the Right get their way. Then we just forget about voting for the House members and the Right will own America as they want.

          I pray to God The Norquists, people like the Koch Brothers and the Tea Party do not get their ways because I really do love Liberty and
          Freedom – The US CONSTITUTION.

          FreedomTrainUSA…Thank you for saying “GEORGE H W BUSH was a Rino.” I do not trust the Bush family anyway..

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            Like wise the “Little Boy Dictator” in the White House is the MOST DANGEROUS OCCUPANT THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER HAD….WHEN IT COMES TO DETROYING THE CONSTITUTION AND OUR FREEDOMS….But Liberals like you do not want to admit that this Little Dicatator and his Regime along with most D****RATS in Congress… and aided by many Establishment Rinos…ARE A DIRECT THREAT TO THE FREEDOMS OF AMERICAN’S FREEDOMS….YOU CLING TO YOUR LIBERAL LINE…AND REFUSE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING ELSE….BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FIT THE LIBERAL MARXIST SOCIALIST AGENDA…

            IT IS THIS REFUSAL…THAT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ME AND MOST OTHERS TO ENGAGE YOU IN A REAL DISCIUSSION OF ANYTHING…

      • Don 2

        macgyver, please explain why it is better to raise taxes instead of cut government spending, and what exactly do you mean by rightful levels?

        • macgyver1948

          Don 2… I already said no one wants to have their taxes raised. Raising taxes is only when absolutely necessary for the economy, not other times, but it should be done when it is needed. I did a lot of IT
          Project management for the companies I worked for and that included accounting for every penny spent during the life-cycle of that project as well as working the project to keep expenses down after. I agree there should be government shrinkage when it can be done but without hurting so many people. There is so much waste in Government and there are departments that would not be missed if shrunk or cut all together and those should be looked at.

          You ask me “and what exactly do you mean by rightful levels?”. I was trying to be brief, I get accused of being overly wordy on here so I guess I need to explain. What I was referring to was the little bush tax breaks for his wealthy buddies. That tax break was billed as
          “temporary” when the little bush asked for them and I meant the levels should return to their places as they were before the tax breaks – to let them expire when the economy needed them to be returned to those before-tax break levels. That is all I meant by “rightful levels”.

          It is funny, Norquist said he not only wanted the budget to be cut to a size that would fit into a bath tub but also to where it was at the turn of the century. He meant the beginning of the 20th century because he didn’t want it to go to spending and tax levels before the little bush tax breaks for his buddies. Can you imagine what this country would be like with a spending budget the size it
          was before WW1? There would be so many needed government projects, such as Social Security and Medicare, as well as very needed departments, that would starve out of existence, which I believe is
          what they want.

    • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

      For a long time I thought that Dirty Harry was doing and saying this things and knew full well what is was saying…Lately I believe he also has the Mental Disorder called Liberalism….just like PIGlosi and a few other do…
      AND FOR ALL YOU LIBERALS…LOOK IT UP…LIBERALISM HAS BEEN CLASSIFIED BY THE PSYCHIATRIC COMMUNITY AS A “REAL” MENTAL DISORDER…

  • ridge runner

    Ever see a socialist/communist democrat ever pay their fair amount that they want the citizens are required to pay. The marxist muslim puke does not go on his NOCARE snafu, and then doesn’t require Wall Street Rump rangers of Democrats, or unions or Congressional have to abide under the passed laws. Just another fact about the MO of Democrats all the time, elitist socialists who love dictators and total government control of everyone and everything.

    • Vis Fac

      RR The socialistic elite have been using these clowns as pawns to push their agenda of ruining America. These “pawns” have been hoodwinked into believing toy will receive a share of the pie. With socialism someone is doing to receive something buy unfortunately that someone will not be them!!!

      To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the wolf, hoping he will eat you last – but eat you he will.

      You don’t have to be a Marine to make a difference the only requirement is being truly patriotic and the willingness to back it up!!!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper Fi

    • macgyver1948

      ridge runner… we also know that there are so many Right Wing
      Conservatives, especially the wealthy kind, who pay experts to help
      them avoid paying taxes as much as possible. It happens on all
      sides. Just ask Mitt Romney.

      • Don 2

        macgyver, I would be interested in seeing your proof that Mitt Romney avoided paying taxes due.

        • macgyver1948

          Don 2… The ways you ask for things are nearly impossible to answer. We know Romney opted to quit Bain Capital and announced he was not receiving his top salary from them any longer even though he still
          owned huge amounts of stock, receiving dividends. We know he told the Olympic Committee he didn’t want a salary for running the Olympics. We know he owned offshore businesses which makes it more difficult
          for the IRS to follow.

          Do you think he didn’t want to show his returns for the years before he ran for president, as his politician father did when he ran for President for several years (I think the Sr Romney offered 10 years worth) when he ran, because the Mitt didn’t have anything to hide? Do you think Mitt gave up his salaries I mentioned in the previous paragraph because he was magnanimous?

          Whatever he was hiding, or not because he created doubt, it is so much better he lost the Presidential election because he was owned by the Norquist pledge and Norquist said “Don’t worry about Romney, he will do as he is told”. With that who would own the Oval Office if Romney won? I do not trust Romney for religious reasons, his being owned and for tax reasons, what he could be hiding, and for how he
          ran Massachusetts. He was the greater evil.

          • Don 2

            macgyver, that was a pretty simple question. You’re the one making the allegation. if you cannot prove your allegations, why do you make them? It was Harry Reid who created doubt with his irresponsible comments on the Senate floor, not Mitt Romney.

            Romney has money invested off-shore like many other politicians. So what?

            We’re still trying to get access to records about Obama, and you want to tarnish Romney? If Romney was breaking any tax law what-so-ever, isn’t that the job of the I.R.S. to investigate? The I.R.S. isn’t making any allegations about Mitt Romney, are they?

            You do not trust Romney for religious reasons?
            You do not trust Romney for “unknown” tax reasons?
            You do not trust Romney for what he “could” be hiding?

            Simply mind boggling!

          • macgyver1948

            Don 2… You missed my point about Romney. Could it be you missed the point because it doesn’t suite your sides agendas? Try rereading what I said but this time with your eyes open.

            If what you guys say about Obama is true we need to do something about it but show your proof too.

            What is so “Simply mind boggling!” about

            “You do not trust Romney for religious reasons?
            You do not trust Romney for “unknown” tax reasons?
            You do not trust Romney for what he “could” be hiding?”

            Ask me something about those if you want. I told you about my concerns for his taxes, the unknowns. I can tell you what I do not like about some actions of his in religion, something he brushed off as if it wasn’t important when a reporter asked about it.

          • macgyver1948

            Don 2… You missed my point about Romney. Could it be you missed the point because it doesn’t suite your sides agendas? Try rereading what I said but this time with your eyes open.

            If what you guys say about Obama is true we need to do something about it but show your proof too.

            What is so “Simply mind boggling!” about

            “You do not trust Romney for religious reasons?
            You do not trust Romney for “unknown” tax reasons?
            You do not trust Romney for what he “could” be hiding?”

            Ask me something about those if you want. I told you about my concerns for his taxes, the unknowns. I can tell you what I do not like about some actions of his in religion, something he brushed off as if it wasn’t important when a reporter asked about it.

      • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

        Hey Mac……UNLESS THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW….IT IS CALLED USING THE TAX LAWS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE……AND IF YOU LOOK IT UP….YOU WILL FIND THAT 9-10 WEATHEST MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE D****RATS….JUST HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE???????

        • macgyver1948

          FreedomTrainUSA…. We all should use the tax codes to our best advantage but it would be nice if we all do it ethically.

          Are you kidding with “YOU WILL FIND THAT 9-10 WEATHEST MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE D****RATS….JUST HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE???????”.

          Whether they are Dems or not who cares because I have nothing to do with their wealth. Many in Congress are very wealthy on the Left and on the Right. I can’t spend their money and I do not know how they earned it so your question is dumb. But the dumbest part is how we give them the best retirement and health benefits our tax money can buy. What you say is just plain dumb and inane.

          Do you think I will hear you better when you scream with all capital lettering? LOL

          • Jana

            On this mac, I agree with you. Most of them abuse their authority and increase their wealth with insider knowledge. This is why I am for term limits. It may not be perfect but it is better than having career politicians.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            “Whether they are Dems or not who cares because I have nothing to do with their wealth”

            THIS MAY BE CORRECT…BUT YOU BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT IT WAS ONLY RIGHT WING AND CONSERVATIVES THAT WERE WEALTHY….NOW WHEN THAT IS THOWN IN YOUR FACE….YOUR USE THE OLD LIBERAL TATIC OF>>>>>>CHANGE THE SUBJECT>>>>>>>

            MY QUESTION IS DUMB….WHERE DID I POSE THE QUESTION OF HOW ANY OF THEM GOT RICH??????

            >>>>>>AGAIN CHANGE THE SUBJECT>>>>>>>

            ” What you say is just plain dumb and inane.”
            WHAT PART ARE YOU REFERING TOO????? I MADE NO COMMENT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE THE BEST HEALTH PLAN AND BENEFITS…SO I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THAT GOT IN THIS…EXCEPT THAT YOU BROUGHT IT IN FOR WHATEVER REASON…

  • Bob666

    52% Worry Government Won’t Do Enough for Economy; 62% Want Cuts

    Thursday, October 24, 2013

    Following the short-term deal to end the partial government shutdown, voters are more concerned than ever that the federal government will not do enough responding to the weak economy. But most continue to believe spending cuts are the best move the government can make.

    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 52% of Likely U.S. Voters now say they are more worried that the government won’t do enough in reacting to the country’s current economic problems, while 37% worry more that it will do too much. Eleven percent (11%) are undecided

    The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on October 18-19, 2013 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2013/52_worry_government_won_t_do_enough_for_economy_62_want_cuts

    For those who can’t deal with reality or narly Farm Animals, vote here.

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    • macgyver1948

      Hi Bob666… Hows it going?

      • Bob666

        Yo Mac,

        Reading all of the post tonight, it looks like you are being tag-teamed by Masked Midgets in a World Wrestling Federation match.

        • Don 2

          Ya know Bob, I told you that liberals did not play nice, but you told me macgyver did. I responded, “we’ll see.” However, in another post here, he told Jana, “if she were any more full of C*rap, he doubted she could get out of bed.” Is that what you meant by liberals playing nice?

          • Bob666

            Yo Don,
            And how did many of those “conservatives” treat Mac first? Go back and read the post to him. Playing nice does not mean that one has to take crap off of people.

          • Don 2

            Gee Bob, I guess I should have realized that Jana was responsible for everyone else’s remarks.

          • Bob666

            I believe that I saw more than Jana with some condescension.

            .

        • macgyver1948

          Hi Bob666… Yeah it feels like a tag team. I guess to them, considering their expressed anger, I do not have liberties to express my opinions as they do if I do not agree with them. Such is the nature of my liking Liberty to them. You mention the WWE, or F as they used to be called. Yeah, if it isn’t what is best for big business I get tagged teamed against as a punishment. LOL…

    • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

      I have experience working with and writing poll questions….Most all polls… the questions are written to get a PRE-SET RESPONSE….The OUTCOME is already determined and then the questions are written so as to get the responses to prove the PRE-SET OUTCOME….This outcome is then used to push an agenda…using the PRE-SET RESPONSES as though the show what people really believe…….OF WHICH IS NOT THE TRUTH

      I have set up 2 nearly identical polls…and by just changing the questions slighly….I proven that you can get completely opposite results…This shows that how a question is phrased….determines how the same people will answer it in a different way..

      • macgyver1948

        FreedomTrainUSA… No kidding about how most surveys are written. I think many of us knew that. .

        • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

          IF YOU KNEW THAT THEN YOU ALSO KNOW THAT MOST POLLS ARE USELESS PROPAGANDA…AND ARE USE THAT WAY…

      • Bob666

        Hello FT,

        There is some truth to what you say. I got a call from the NRA about a year ago regarding gun ownership and the second amendment and none of the answers that yo could give would allow you to not be a supported of the second amendment.

        My favorite was a robo-call from the heritage foundation. It basically went something like this:

        Do you support r the defunding of Obama Care?. If so, just hang up. If you do not favor defunding Obamacare, hang on the line for a poll specialist. there was a minute of silence on my answering machine and then a busy signal, so I guess the “poll specialist” never came on the line?

        if you look at the polls that I post, you will find a link and it shows the methodology for the poll and the margin of error.

        What polls did you work on to produce a predetermined outcome?

        • Don 2

          Bob, are you a member of either the NRA or The Heritage Foundation?

        • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

          Back through the 1990’s, i used to get alot of surveys that were from the Republican Party and other Political type groups….Although these surveys were not direct polls…they applied the same principles…Every Question would direct you toward the Pre-set result that they were truing to achieve…

        • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

          I did not work for any polling places…I worked with this as part of some Graduate Studies back in the 1970’s….So we were dealing with it from a stand point looking at various models and then we would apply real polling to independent groups of people that who were not working directly with the study…

  • macgyver1948

    In the minds of those who choose to believe whatever their side tells
    them to believe. We have this article from our resident comedian who
    writes and speaks primarily for his comedy.

    Then we have the below from the Left so who is telling the truth? Time
    will tell:

    WED OCT 23, 2013 AT 09:37 AM PDT

    GOP Rep Freaks Out when Confronted with Proof of ACA Success

    Amazingly this exchange took place on CNN where Steve Beshear Governor of Kentucky explained that for states who choose to implement their own
    exchanges – as was intended by the Affordable Care Act – there “Glitches” have been few and far between.

    We’re signing up people at roughly a thousand a day. It’s a great rate and a great success so far,” he told on CNN’s “New Day,” describing the market as
    “a gold standard because it’s working.”…

    [The Federal System] will be working fully in a month or two. History
    shows us that [after the implication of Medicare] it took two years
    to get it all working properly. This will all work.

    Later the CNN Hosts talks to Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-NC), to get their usual
    “other side” ot the “both sides” view – only to have her attempt to completely contradict and dismiss everything that Gov. Beshear had just said.

    Only something interesting happened, the CNN Host wasn’t having
    it.

    During the discuss Rep. Ellmers endorsing the Republicans American
    Healthcare Reform Actwhich it seems is largely just another big Tort Reform Bill that would remove the Ban on Pre-Existing Conditions, would remove the ability to keep your children on your healthcare until they’re 26 – (although
    it would provide a Fund for the poor to purchase these seperately)
    it would take away “Obama Regulators” – which in short, would remove all the protections, minimum coverage requirements and life-time caps – and put “Decisions in the hands the Consumers”. And of course, no more Exchanges
    where cost can be amortized across are large pool of applicants.

    There you have it. Typical Tea Bagging. When confronted with Facts
    that contradict their delusions they try to Huff and Puff and
    Blow Your Reality Down!.

    Except sometimes, it just doesn’t work – because some of us aren’t living in
    the BullShit-Based World.

    Video and more at
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/23/1249954/-GOP-Rep-Freaks-Out-when-Confronted-with-Proof-of-ACA-Success?detail=email

    Also see:

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/22/2815961/cnn-anchor-slams-gop-rep-rooting-obamacares-failure/

    And along these lines also take a look at the line graph at

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/23/1250076/-This-Is-the-Tea-Party-s-Gift-to-Democrats?detail=email

    What do we choose to believe, which side, because that is what it really
    comes down to? The comedy should never get in the way.

    • WTS/JAY

      Have you tried signing up, mac?

      • macgyver1948

        WTS/JAY… I don not need to so far. I have Medicare and a good supplement unless that gets weakened by the damning “Political Compromise” soon.

        I have talked with a number of people in different states who say they have and they say ObamaCare is easy and affordable.

      • macgyver1948

        WTS/JAY… I don not need to so far. I have Medicare and a good supplement unless that gets weakened by the damning “Political Compromise” soon.

        I have talked with a number of people in different states who say they have and they say ObamaCare is easy and affordable.

        • Palin16

          Pure BS!

          • macgyver1948

            So are you Palin16, so are you. If you are calling me a lair then why should I believe anything you say? I do not need you to believe me. Just believe what the Tea wants of you and live in your happy delusions.

          • Jana

            Remember, you got on here and called all of us liars so why should we believe anything you say? You can believe what Comrade Obama wants you to believe and be happy in your delusions!

          • macgyver1948

            Jana,,, I did not call you guys liars first, I just do not agree with you and that is my right, something you guys want to deny.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            These Liberal BOTS come on a Conservative site of their own choice….post empty nonsense…personal attacks….and then want to change the rules of the game…when they do not like what we believe and post….
            TO ALL OF YOU LIBERALS ON HERE AND ALL OTHER CONSERVATIVE SITES I HAVE TWO THINGS FOR YOU
            1. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY…THEN LEAVE AND GO TO ONE OF YOUR LIBERAL SITES
            2. IF YOU CHOOSE TO STAY ON HERE AND ONLY WANT TO POST USELESS EMPTY RHETORIC AND PERSONAL ATTACKS…THEN DO NOT EXPECT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BOW TO YOUR BULLS**T…EXPECT THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO ON THE OFFENSIVE WITH YOU…

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            You beat me to that one…PURE BULLS**T…
            All these things work fine….ONLY IN THE BRAIN DEAD LIBERALS MINDS….even when the REAL FACTS SHOW A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PICTURE….

          • macgyver1948

            FreedomTrainUSA … It is BS to you because you choose to believe what your are told to believe. You haven’t got a clue what Obama was really thinking or feeling.,

          • Jana

            And you who think you know so much actually know Obama personally and know exactly what he is thinking and feeling? That is a laugh! What we know is how he is acting and what he is doing, and we don’t like what he is doing!

          • macgyver1948

            Jana… I do not know Obama personally and that is the point. I do not show I do but you guys do all the time with how you always “know his real” intentions. Give it a rest already because it shows how low your
            credibility is.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            We study and research for the TRUTH….and when you do so you must have an open mind….

            FYI….I DO NOT APPROVE OF MUCH OF WHAT THE REPULBICAN PARTY DOES…..BECAUSE THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALL YOU LIBERALS MAKE IS THAT ALL OF US A REPUBLICANS…..CONPLETELY FALSE….I AND MOST OF US ARE “CONSERVATIVES” AND WE DO NOT ADHERE TO ANY PARTY LINE….

          • macgyver1948

            FreedomTrainUSA… That is what I do research for too, to find the truth and for what makes the most sense to me.

            I have never been a fan of the Republican Party, they have always seemed so out of touch with the non-affluent but ever since the Tea Party bought and controlled the GOP I am so much less of a GOP fan.

            You say you are a conservative and that is fine but by whatever name you call yourselves for those of you who have the attitude that “we are always right and if there are any who will not agree with us they have to be wrong” is so much not Americanism. When those of you add
            the name calling and insults you get childish as well.

          • Jana

            You said,” but ever since the Tea Party bought and controlled the GOP I am so much less of a GOP fan.”
            That hasn’t happened and never will happen. Sadly.

          • macgyver1948

            Jana… With you saying “That hasn’t happened and never will happen. Sadly” you are so unaware and Tea loves you that way because you are so much more easily “guided”. But it would be more of a disaster if the Tea Party takes control of the Senate as they want and then the White House as they just tried with this past presidential election. Sadly, now they control the House, hopefully not for much longer.

          • Jana

            I already answered you about knowing his real intentions. We know them by his actions. We know them by who he surrounds himself with ie: communists, Socialists, Muslim Brotherhood etc, who are enemies of our country. We know him by the lies he tells!

            What is it with you liberals? Do you think we are stupid? No, we reserve that right for you!

          • macgyver1948

            Jana… You are so unbelievable in your fantasies, or is it your programming? You didn’t answer anything, you just continue to name call and insult without no way of proving a thing. Obama and the Dems are no more
            “communists, Socialists, Muslim Brotherhood etc,”, or commies, than you are a Nazi. Remember that unless you are a Nazi.

            If you want to go by actions go by the Tea Party and their GOP property with their Government Shutdowns that hurt so many people and the economy but not themselves. This shows their apathy toward us and the economy. They are the “gives us what we want or we will hurt you
            and then blame you for our actions” little boys.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            Jana….But don’t you know that Liberals are the SMARTEST PEOPLE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH????? They spend alot of time trying to tell everyone that they are….but what they are really proving is…THAT THEY ARE SO STUPID THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW STUPID THEY REALLY ARE….
            They seem to have transposed the defiintions of the word FACT and the word BULLS**T…

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            THE ONLY THING THAT I BELIEVE IS WHAT I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE BASED ON MY OWN PERSONAL RESEARCH……NO ONE BUT MYSELF DETERMINES WHAT I BELIVE….
            SINCE YOU ARE SO SMART….TELL US WHAT YOUR “LITTLE BOY DICTATOR IS THINKING OR BELIEVING….
            ACTUALLY THROUGH MY EXTENSIVE STUDY OF HISTORY…GOVERNMENT AND RELATED SUBJECTS I DO HAVE A REAL GOOD IDEA OF WHAT YOUR “LITTLE BOY DICTATOR” IS THINKING AND BELIEVEING….BUT SINCE YOU ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW…YOU WOULD NOT LISTEN….SINCE YOUR FIRST RESPONSE WAS TO SEND A PERSONAL ATTACK….

        • Don 2

          The vast majority are enrolling in Medicaid, not Obamacare, but the Obama regime is counting them all in one basket because it sounds good.
          http://freebeacon.com/cbs-obamacare-enrollment-trends-threatening-programs-structure/

          Health insurance cancellation notices soar above Obamacare enrollment rates.
          http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/24/health-insurance-cancellation-notices-soar-above-obamacare-enrollment-rates/

        • WTS/JAY

          Hmm, wish i could take your word on that, mac, but unfortunately, your word doesn’t hold much water. Another words, in the past, you have lied on a consistent bases, so your credibility is pretty much non-existent. Besides, your claim that you know some people…? that have signed up for obamacare contradicts both, left and media, to the contrary! So nice try, mac!

          • macgyver1948

            WTS/JAY… All I can say about this from you is I consider the source, you, and I know what you say isn’t true of me so you do not count either. That is why, knowing the truth about me, your credibility is nothing to me so there we are. :-).

            Do not make such wishes, it could give you major headaches defying your programming.

    • Jana

      So we all know what side YOU choose to believe, the Liberal Socialist Communist side. Good for you!

      • macgyver1948

        Jana… If you were any more full of C*rap I doubt you could get out of bed. I do not believe in Communism any more than you are a Nazi. Or are you? Calling the Left Communists is just the Propaganda tactics the Nazis and the Japanese used during WW2 to put down their enemies. Too much Tea in your diet?

        • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

          MAC….THIS POST IS SUCH A PILE OF BULLS**T THAT THERE IS NO POINT TO TRY TO REPLY TO IT….IT IS NOTHING BUT THE WORK OF A VERY INFANTILE MIND….AS MOST OF IT IS NOTHING BUT A TEMPER TANTRUM….FILLED WITH NAME CALLING AND PERSONAL ATTACKS…

        • Jana

          Yet the one you serve does. Obama leans that way, from his own mouth from his own book. Maybe you ought to check him out!
          I thought you didn’t believe in calling names! But here you are talking dirty. Wow. Dirty mouth means stinky breath.

          • macgyver1948

            Jana… “the one” I “serve”? Yeah, more delusion on your part. I do go to referring to how you act, and others here, after a while of taking the name callings you guys use. How old are you with “Dirty mouth means stinky breath? Did you not have enough milk and cookies today?

  • Palin16

    The Hildebeast was heckled in Buffalo, NY this week by a protester who chanted “Benghazi, Benghazi! you let them die!” Let’s keep the heckling up all through 2016, never let the Cankles Hag forget.

    • macgyver1948

      Palin16… No one “let them die” there from here. All in the imagination and being told to by those who hate.

      • Palin16

        Obummer told them stand down and then went back to bed before flying out to Vegas for a fundraiser. And then the Hildebeast made up a ridiculous story about a YouTube video, unaware that only 15% of Libyans have Internet access, and only dial up at that. We will never let Cankles forget!

        • macgyver1948

          Palin16… Obama was acting on his Intel “at the time”. What do you expect anyone here to do? But you have to respond to what you are told by the side you choose to believe so I understand that.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            The “Little Boy Dictator” was acting on his “I want to Destroy America” intel straight from his Marixist Socialist Muzzie Narrcissistic Brain…

          • macgyver1948

            The little boy you choose to call Obama was elected twice by a majority of those who voted and a majority of those who voted for him both times still feels we are better off than we would be with the alternatives both times. Keep spewing out what your side dictates to you and not do your own research as a good little trooper for them

          • Jana

            Only a majority of those who voted! Some were disgusted and didn’t vote. Then some were low information voters and would have voted for a Socialist if he was running. Oh ha a Socialist was running.

          • macgyver1948

            Jana… Wow, you just cant get that “Socialist thing out of your head, can you? It is so easy to call your opposition what you want to justify what you chose to believe, isn’t it for you? Do you really believe what your side tells you of the Left, we are Socialists? I can believe what I want of you just as easily but I know I am not a Socialists or a commie. Your credibility just continues to drop. Nice rant though about who and how people decide to vote.

            Credibility – See the line graph at
            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/23/1250076/-This-Is-the-Tea-Party-s-Gift-to-Democrats?detail=email

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            Conservatives think for themselves….you keep refering to “Do you really believe what your side tells you of the Left”
            ANSWER THIS QUESTION…..WHAT SIDE IS THAT THAT YOU ARE REFERING TO?????????????? BE VERY SPECIFIC…….
            THE ONLY SIDE THAT REFERS ME IS THE ANSWERS FROM “MY OWN” RESEARCH….

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            You keep making references to Socialism….Do you have a clue what REAL Marxist Socialism is??????? I think not…..I have studied that subject thoroughly…..PLUS I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONSVERSATIONS WITH 2 PEOPLE WHO LIVED UNDER REAL MARXIST SOCIALISM…ONE FROM THE OLD SOVIET UNION AND THE OTHER FROM EAST GERMANY…BOTH OF THEM GOT OUT AND ARE NOW AMERICAN CITIZENS…..BOTH OF THEM ARE “FRIGHTENED” BY WHAT THEY SEE HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY…BECAUSE WHAT THEY SEE HAPPENIING IS WHAT THEY WORKED TO ESCAPE FROM….
            SO YOU CAN PLAY YOUR MIND GAMES WITH YOURSELF AND ALL THE REST OF YOUR LIBERAL BUDDIES….BUT WHAT YOU CAN’T CHANGE IS THE REALLITY OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING TO THIS NATION…

          • macgyver1948

            FreedomTrainUSA… I have as good an idea of what “REAL Marxist Socialism is” as you might. It is your mind games that we are talking about. I do not see
            Marxist Socialism associated with Obama but I see Nazi Socialism in The Tea Party and that scares me in how Tea owns the GOP.

            You end your angry rant with “BUT WHAT YOU CAN’T CHANGE IS THE REALLITY OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING TO THIS NATION…”. You are Right, we
            cannot except at the polls if we are still able. I am not at all for Nazism or Communism or even Talibanisms, as I see in many religious zealots here on the Right.

            You are just one of the many on the Right who cannot tolerate being disagreed with. That too is not very American. I do not need to be agreed with but you seem to have that need or else.

          • Jana

            Then you don’t ‘know’ Obama like you claimed you did below. I didn’t think you really did. Maybe before you open your mouth and defend him so much you better find out about your socialist leader who does love socialism and communism so much.

            You say you are not for ” I am not at all for Nazism or Communism or even Talibanisms, as I see in many religious zealots here on the Right”. That tells me you don’t even know what you are talking about. The Right actually is against all of those things. This is exactly what we DON’T stand for and what we STAND UP AGAINST.
            Maybe you are on the wrong side, and don’t even know it.

          • macgyver1948

            Jana… All I can do is laugh at this comment of yours.

            I never claimed I knew Obama better than he shows himself publicly. That too is your delusion. I told this to others on here but you lose credibility when you tell people things about themselves that they know aren’t true. You are funny too.

            Just for fun LET’s ADD THIS:

            Report: The Kochs, A Nazi Past, Oil & The Foundation of The Right

            http://unknownjournal.wordpress.com/2010/10/06/%E2%96%BC-report-the-kochs-their-nazi-past-american-oil-the-foundation-of-republican-ideology/

            Jana, if you do not know who the Johan Birch Society is here is some interesting stuff for you. The JBS is the predecessor of the Tea Party.

            Also, the KKK and Neo-Nazis have tried to join forces with the Tea Party because they have such in-common agendas. The Tea couldn’t do it so openly because they would lose so many grass-roots members. If you do not believe me, and I bet you wont, Google or Bling this and find out for yourself.

            I am not talking about the average or grass-roots members of Tea but instead I speak of the leaders and founders of Tea. Find out for yourself because I know you wont believe what I give you. You really should know the leaders and the backgrounds of the groups you want to align yourself with and not just their recruiting words.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Dailykos? Oh, come on Mac. That is nothing but some libturd/progturd rag of a website. You can do better than that. Here is an interesting article about the classmate of Michelle bin Laden.
            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/michelle-obamas-college-classmate-toni-townes-whitley-built-obamacare-website/
            Looks like her friends can’t get things right either. Birds of a feather. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “Do not give the devil a foothold.”
            Ephesians 4:27

          • Bob666

            Well Sammy,
            all of your post are form Right wing fringe web sites, Whats is the difference? Your half baked information is better because it fits your personal agenda?

          • macgyver1948

            samurai… I often post things here from many different sites. That happens to be from Dailykos. It is as viable to me as the so many Right article sites can be to you only I see more sense and reality on the Dailykos. Look at article writers here on this site such as Wayne
            Allen Root and the comedian Great Ape (Eight), not way to one sided and misinforming huh? To each his own.

            Before I read you as saying “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor” yet you go on defining, in your rename-calling of the Obamas as well as for Liberals,with their Right side last name of “bin Laden” and using the name “libturd/progturd”. I see much
            hypocrisy in you. :-).

            You end this with “You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “Do not give the devil a foothold”.

            Well, I love God and America and as for the devil, that is why I write what I write, to go on fighting against him. :-)…

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            I WILL NOT EVEN ADDRESS THE OUTRIGHT FRAUD THAT WAS PART OF BOTH OF THOSE ELECTIONS….ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER RELATED ISSUES BECAUSE LIBERALS LIKE YOU DO NOT WANT TO LISTEN TO ANYTING THAT MIGHT JUST SHOW THE OTHER SIDE….

          • macgyver1948

            FreedomTrainUSA… What a crock. You are talking about your side and not the Liberals in general. I go to many conservative sites/articles and I go in with an open mind but so very often I leave shaking my head. You just can’t
            take being disagreed with as I have been saying.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            TRUE LIBERAL…WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY…CHANGE THE SUBJECT…

          • Don 2

            macgyver, I would be interested in seeing your evidence that a majority of those who voted for Obama still feel that we are better off today.

          • JUKEBOX

            You are right, those people voted again, again, again, again,etc. ad infinitum.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            HEY MAC BOY….YOUR RANTS ARE SO BEYOND THE LIBERAL POINT OF NO RETURN….THAT YOU CAN’T SEE THAT NO ONE ONE BELIEVES ANY OF YOUR BULLS**T…

          • macgyver1948

            FreedomTrainUSA … So much BS it is too funny to respond… You are just assuming what you want of him but you haven’t got the ability to know anyone else’s thoughts or wants but you guys so often as as if you do, I so often say this on this site of you guys when you act as if God gave you special powers. Where is your credibility when you do this? LOL

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            MAC BOY….YOUR RANTS ARE SO BEYOND THE LIBERAL POINT OF NO RETURN….THAT YOU CAN’T SEE THAT NO ONE ONE BELIEVES ANY OF YOUR BULLS**T…

          • Don 2

            macgyver, since the administration had ‘real time’ intel while the attack was in process, one would expect the president to not be heading off to Las Vegas for a fund raiser, and to be in constant contact with his immediate staff and the military, planning a response. We already know through testimony, that after about 5:00 P.M., Obama was A.W.O.L.

          • macgyver1948

            Just your side’s “opinion” about AWOL.

          • Don 2

            No macgyver, actually that was Defense Secretary Leon Panetta’s testimony.

          • Jana

            Wake up macgyver wake up. Truth is being told to you. Do you have eyes to see or ears to hear, or are you blind and deaf?

          • macgyver1948

            Jana.. Even Satan used truth at times to get his agendas across. Don’t even try this.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Isn’t this why Jesus spoke in parables? Because the people he talked to didn’t believe? They have eyes, but cannot see. They have ears, but cannot hear. This sounds like Mac. He’s just being the good little sheeple. Here is an article about redering to Caesar and to God.

            http://www.americanvision.org/9611/render-unto-god/#sthash.lMsQ9r4p.DBkuHhYX.dpbs

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “The Legislative Department is more immediately the confidential guardian of the people’s rights and liberties.”

            Federalist 51

          • NC

            JANA, ‘TRUTH’ IS BEING TOLD TO LIBERALS HERE??????????? SURELY YOU JEST!! ” TRUTH” (?)LIKE FEMA CAMPS NEVER FOUND?? 2012 ELECTIONS CANCELLED??
            DICTATORSHIP TO BE DECLARED??
            FALSE FLAGS NEVER PROVED??
            CONSPIRACIES NEVER PROVED??
            IS THAT THE KIND OF “TRUTH” YOU SAY IS BEING “TOLD” HERE??
            SURELY, YOU’RE NOT SERIOUS?????????????

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            Don….Is MAC BOY for real….I do belive that he is trying for a LIBERAL RECORD FOR POSTING THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS BULLS**T ON ONE BLOG IN IN HISTORY…

        • Alex

          Palin16, I assume you held the same standard to the Cheneybush Regime? After allowing 911 to happen by ignoring clear warning, they oversaw SIXTEEN attacks on our embassies which resulted in the deaths of FIFTY-NINE people. Hey, stuff happens—it’s a dangerous world. Fright Wingers such as yourself see nothing BUT danger. You thrive on it, in fact.

          So tell me, Sarah16, what did you blather about when our embassies were attacked twice a year on average PRIOR to Obama, with an average of (I’m not good at arithmetic) something like SEVEN deaths per year.

          Lastly, if your handle refers to the absurd idea of running Palin in 2016 against our first woman president,Hillary, then please bring it on! Maybe Palin and Rand Paul, or how about Palin and Ted Cruz–oh, wait–he is ineligible—maybe Palin and one of them Koch Bros—-whatever—you LOSE!

          • Jana

            But Bush nor Cheney ever told their rescuers to stand down like Comrade Obama or Comrade Hillary did.

          • macgyver1948

            But bush lied to get us to do that immoral invasion into Iraq… How many Americans died because of his lies and how much is that Hitler like invasion still costing us today?

          • Adolf Schmidt

            What was Bush’s lie?

          • macgyver1948

            Adolf Schmidt… You mean “lies”. You are kidding, you forgot the history? To get us to do his immoral invasion he told us, Congress, the United Nations and the world of (the Saddam-Al-qaeda connection,
            the weapons of mass destruction were still in Iraq, Iraq was a direct threat to the US). All these turned out to be lies.

            When several in Congress learned these things weren’t true they said they would have voted against the invasion had they known the truth. Who knows how many others would have voted differently if the truth were known at time of vote? It is funny, several GOP in Congress called the vote changers “wishy-washy” for changing their minds. Just goes to show Party orders comes before conscience to those of the GOP who were name calling. LOL.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            It is funny that some of SO DAM INSANE’S weapons of mass destruction that were reported to have been moved to Syria….Are not being discovered in Syria….MAYBE BUSH DID NOT LIE AFTERALL….huh

          • macgyver1948

            FreedomTrainUSA… With all the time and distractions in the area that has passed since the Immoral Iraq invasion there was plenty of time to move the WMDs, Chemical or otherwise, to another country or just bury them. If that
            was done. Good guess though, and funny too, in your defense, and for the little bush too, but where are the WMDs?

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            There is documented information that prove that….But you can keep on denying the facts….but it does not change the truth…..AND I DO NOT CARE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE…THAT IS YOUR CHOICE…..I WILL CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THE REAL FACTS…..

          • Adolf Schmidt

            Unless you have missed watching the news over the last year, to year and a half, they have found some of the WMD in Syria. No, they did not find anything during the Gulf War, and they did not find them where they expected, but they found them. I thought Bush lied also, but I’m will be big enough to admit I was wrong.

          • macgyver1948

            Oh Adolf… In case you missed my comment to JeffH earlier here is a piece of what I told him.

            “There were things in the news around the time before 911 where several countries saw a very large truck convey leaving Iraq, they presumed it was the Russians behind the wheel because they had the biggest stake in Iraq’s Chemical weaponry, and drove toward Syria. Imagine that”.

            It should be the thing to admit we are wrong when proof comes along to the contrary. Good for you in that. I wish the GOP at the time would have been so righteous, when it came to their voting for the immoral invasion, instead of standing by party line.

          • JeffH

            Mac48, that comment was non-sequitur.

            You never answered my question…what did Bush lie about?

            He did not lie bout WMD’s…considering the fact that his decision was based on intelligence from the intelligence community…ours, the UN and the International intelligence community were all convinced that there were WMD’s in Iraq and WMD’s were eventually discovered in Iraq…not to memtion that Iraqi WMD’s were also discovered in Syria…clearly indicates that Bush did not lie, but only supports his position…post invasion.

            I’m not condoning the war or any other invasion or attack…I’m just sayin’ a fact is a fact…whether you or I like it or not!

            FYI, bottom line though, is that they’re all liars…they’re politicians.

          • macgyver1948

            JeffH… What is wrong with you??? I have answered that many times. He, the little tiny bush, lied about the WMDs – their locations, the Al-qaeda connection with Iraq, the Iraq threat to the US, and this is a biggie – that Iraq is responsible for 911 which was one of his main justification for his immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq..

            Did you get it this time? WOW!!!. Now stop asking. You can say he didn’t “lie” about the WMD’s based in his then current Intel but the fact is he brought us to economic aliments with that invasion, along with all; the other economic failures of his, because of it, and more importantly all the American lives that were lost and bodies maimed because of it and he never had the decency to say he was sorry for his lies and mistakes. Do you know what kind of “piece-of” he is?

            I do agree with you that politicians, like bankers, lawyers, used car and perhaps insurance salesmen, are liars when they feel the need.

          • JeffH

            Mac48, at one point you say he did lie about WMD’s and then you run off on more progressive doublespeak rant that has nothing to do with my initial question to you.

            Did President Bush Link Saddam Hussein to 9/11?

            Hussein Link to 9/11 Lingers in Many Minds
            By Dana Milbank and Claudia Deane
            Washington Post Staff Writers
            Saturday, September 6, 2003; Page A01

            Nearing the second anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, seven in 10 Americans continue to believe that Iraq’s Saddam Hussein had a role in the attacks, even though the Bush administration and congressional investigators say they have no evidence of this.
            _________________________________

            Mr. RUSSERT: Do we have any evidence linking Saddam Hussein or Iraqis to this operation?

            VICE PRES. CHENEY: No.
            Meet the Press, September 16, 2001
            _________________________________
            You don’t suppose the American public might have been “misled” into the Saddam/al-Qaeda connection belief, by following a decade’s worth of news coverage regarding Saddam’s defiance and brutality? “Regime change”/Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998 created as official U.S. policy toward Iraq under Clinton?

            ABC – 1999: Osama bin Laden / Saddam Hussein alliance

            Don’t you suppose that if people were paying attention to the news, a decade of reports like these might have influenced and reinforced the dangers and defiance Saddam posed? The terror links and ties to bin Laden? I’m not talking about actual operational ties that might have since been discounted; just the perception of a connection, due to media reports, which took place before the Bush presidency, thereby cementing upon the American psyche, an indelible imprint of a link between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

            http://floppingaces.net/2008/09/13/did-president-bush-link-saddam-hussein-to-911/

          • macgyver1948

            JeffH… You ask “Did President Bush Link Saddam Hussein to 9/11?”. I think it will always linger in the minds of historians but the little bushy did say there was a connection between Hussein and Al-qaeda
            with 911. I also remember reading/hearing that Hussein and Al-qaeda couldn’t stand or trust each other. Also I remember Hussein wouldn’t allow Al-qaeda to train in Iraq and Al-qaeda saw Hussein as a fake Muslim and a thug/criminal but whom ever aren’t in intelligence communities really knows, or not?

            Someone one here just said 911 was an inside job. I heard that many times before but if that is true who was at the helm in the White House at the time? That would be the ultimate disgrace for America even more
            so than the assassinations of the Kennedys and Dr. Martin Luther King were inside jobs and they would be too.

            Here you end with “Nearing the second anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, seven in 10 Americans continue to believe that Iraq’s Saddam Hussein had a role in the attacks, even though the
            Bush administration and congressional investigators say they have no evidence of this”.

            Well we should know how contrived and programmed surveys can be but none of those who have said they “believe that Iraq’s Saddam Hussein had a role in the attacks” in those surveys really knows nothing. Belief doesn’t make a thing true or not true. If it did not only
            would the rumors about the assignations and the 911 inside jobs things I mention above be true, or not, but with all the so many different religions, and denominations, there have been in history all would be both totally right and wrong depending who decides to
            believe whatever. Confusing, isn’t it? That was a word jumble, I know, LOL.

            JeffH, I read all those things over the years about a possible or not connections between Hussein and Al-qaeda concerning 911. To be honest with you I do not know what to believe. Anything is possible for people to take to heart what they read and heard over time but that too will be based on what they choose to believe. In the late 1980’s Bill Clinton said we have to watch Al-qaeda and Bin Laden and we should have started watching them and others like them sooner but
            let’s remember we helped groups like that in Afghanistan while they were hosting the Soviets. But the CIA is the biggest drug dealer in the world (that is a major financing source for the CIA, yeah, I read that too a few times, LOL) and Afghanistan has the poppies. I do not know what to really tell you but I was concerned as far back as when the first bombing attempt at the World Trade Center happened a few years before the successful one in 911. I worked in Lower Manhattan for a good number of years committing from NJ – home to the train through the TUBES crossing under the River into NYC and stopping in the under-street subway station just beneath the World Trade Center, escalators up and
            then 4 blocks to work.

          • JeffH

            Yada, yada, yada…”I also remember hearing”…bahhhh, bahhhh, bahhhh!

          • macgyver1948

            JeffH… YOU are impossible to deal with as are so many on your side. There is no discussion with people like you because you will not have a decent discussion if you decided to not accept anyone’s point of views if
            they do not agree with yours. You need to learn what Liberty really means. I do not need you to agree with me and I am just sharing what I have learned and formed as my opinions but you seem to NEED to be joined at the hips in how you believe. I feel so sorry for you too
            and you kind.

            How can I trust anything you say and believe if you are as a spoiled child in his inability to take disagreement?

          • JeffH

            mac48…I’m not interested in your ranting or your “he said, she said, I read or heard”.

            It’s very obvious that you, just like your progressive bretheren don’t have the ability to answer a straight up question…but can sure change direction and make excuses for wandering away from a direct question.

            You don’t trust because you don’t verify…not that I give a rats arse anyway!

            I only deal in facts, not fiction and I’m not interested in hearing your stories…only disecting the hearsay and pointing out your lack of comprehensive intelligence.

          • macgyver1948

            JeffH… If you are too scared or lazy to do your own research or accept any straight answers from what I say then we have nothing more to discuss… I just do not feel you guys will accept any proof I may offer. Good luck with your Tea like thought processes.

            You aren’t really into finding out facts, if they are or could be possibly real, so so much for what you “only deal in”.

          • JeffH

            Yada, yada, yada…”If you are too scared or lazy to do your own research or accept any straight answers from what I say then we have nothing more to discuss”…bahhhh, bahhhh, bahhhh!

            mac48, now you’re talking like a true loon…but thank you for the “Good luck with your Tea like thought processes.”

            Can I then surmise that you don’t believe in the following which I do with my “Tea like thought process” as a Central Valley Tea Party supporter?
            http://www.centralvalleyteaparty.com/about
            ■Fiscal Responsibility
            ■Constitutionally Limited Government
            ■Free Markets

            The Tea Party core values are the values that America was founded on and they have roots in our shared heritage and belief in natural law. They derive from a belief in free will and the primacy of an individual who is responsible for his/her own actions.

            ■An individual who is personally responsible will be fiscally responsible.
            ■An individual who is personally responsible will make better decisions than a distant federal government
            ■An individual who is personally responsible will productively respond to and interact with markets

          • macgyver1948

            JeffH… You could “surmise” those things of me but as usual you would be wrong in all sorts of realistic senses. The question should be “Why do guys like JeffH assume so much of people they do not know anything about, except for what they are told by people who may not know either, unless it is part of the programming because those they subscribe to do not want the truth known of those who do not agree with them?”. Where is the Americanism in you?

            You end one of my quotes with “…bahhhh, bahhhh, bahhhh!”, your words. You are sheep, aren’t you? Your “Tea like thought processes” is so UN-American so you are so very welcome and think again with “.The
            Tea Party core values are the values that America was founded on and they have roots in our shared heritage and belief in natural law…” think again if you are as intolerant as you and others like you are of any others beliefs and say they are wrong if they do not
            agree with you. That is more as the Nazis would want. Enjoy your Tea.

          • JeffH

            Bahhhh, bahhhhh, bahhhh says mac48 the repeating parrot!

          • macgyver1948

            JeffH… You are a fraud and a spoiled rotten child. Have some Tea and pablum and go suck your thumb in private.

          • JeffH

            The childishly immature mac48 has been reduced to chanting 3rd grade playground cut-downs…whooooooo!

            Back to your flock…they’re calling you mac48!

          • Motov

            9-11 was an inside job,…

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            MAC BOY…ENLIGHTEN US WITH MORE OF YOUR USELESS BABBLE…

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            Liberals are very good at regurdiating the old worn out line…BUSH LIED…MEN DIED……..But none of them really can find real evidence……but the LITTLE BOY DICTATOR LIED…MEN DIED……have any of the Liberals heard about Benghasi??????

          • Don 2

            macgyver, how about you prove that Bush lied, by giving us the exact quote that Bush said, that you say was a lie, and give us your source?

          • macgyver1948

            Don 2… Why don;t you try to remember “exact quotes” from over 10 years ago. Look at my response to Adolf
            Schmidt and you will see what I remember from History. Why don’t you remember? Were you told not to remember?

          • Don 2

            So macgyver, in other words, you got nothing, and you’re making it up as you go along.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            The only word in the Liberal Dictionary that the meaning does not change is the word CHANGE….They need to be able to change everything else…as they get backed into a corner…they need a new definition for the same old BS…

          • macgyver1948

            DOn 2… I see you are making this up because you will not allow me to say what I believe from what I have researched, because I wont agree with you…

          • Don 2

            macgyver, saying “what you believe” is a far cry from giving us facts; and I have made nothing up. If you can prove that I am making this up, please do so.

          • Jana

            What are you a kindergartner? That is what you sound like. You have a keyboard in front of you and no one is holding your hands to keep you from saying what you believe! Good grief.
            What we do ask for is proof here. If you don’t have it then don’t say it.

          • JeffH

            Looks like Mac48 drew the short straw for the weekend shill shift…ya think?

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            MAC…JUST MORE USELESS BABBLE….

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            Don….macgyver and all the rest of the Liberals could not prove anything….They ar programed to spit out the same BS all the time…..they are missing Critical Thinking Skills

          • macgyver1948

            LOL. you are talking “Right Speak” again, LOL

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            MAC BOY….I have repeatedly ask you many questions to explain yourself….AND I HAVE GOTTEN EXACTLY….ZERO ANSWERS…..
            YOU MUST BE THE LIBERALS VERSON OF THE ENERGIZER BUNNY….I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE THE CAN KEEP SPEWING OUT BULLS**T AT THE RATE YOU DO….AND NOT SEE THAT NO ONE EXCEPT YOUR LIBERAL BUDDIES….TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY….

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            WHEN LIBERALS HAVE NOT ANSWER….THEY BRING OUT THE “BUSH LIED” WORN OUT SLOGAN….

          • macgyver1948

            LOL…. :-)

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            you can think that everything is a Big Joke….but in the end like your Annoited One…THE LAST LAUGH WILL BE ON YOU…

          • macgyver1948

            LOL… I do not know anyone on the Left, you know – Liberals, who thinks Obama or anyone else is the “messiah” or the ANNOTATED ONE but I hear so many on the Right, like you now, who say it. You guys much have a complex about it. LOL…

          • NC

            FREEDOM, the American people have voted several times on “the bush lied” campaign slogan and each time Americans agreed! BUSH LIED! Your denial does not change the facts! We have plenty 0f answers! That’s what the party of No has tied themselves in knots fighting against! Their tactics are not exactly setting the polls aflame with success! What Jindal (R) called IGNORANT POSITIONS! KEEP IT UP! WE ARE GETTING QUITE COMFORTABLE IN THE OVAL OFFICE!

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            You are entitled to your OPINION….but it is just that…AN OPINION…..NOT FACT…..
            i am not saying that I am any big fan of GW Bush….or for that matter any other of the Occupnats of the White House since 1988 to present….

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            You are Entitled to your OPINION…..but it is just that and OPINION…..Facts are out their if you want to look for them…that show otherwise….
            For rhe record….I am not a big fan of GW Bush….or for that matter….I am not a fan of any Occupant of the Whtie House since 1988……

          • JeffH

            What lie was that Mac48? WMD’s? WRONG!

            The Intelligence Failed in Iraq
            – Stephen L. Carter, Bloomberg

            With a single exception, the intelligence wasn’t spun by the politicians. It was “simply wrong.” From the point of view of the spies, he points out, this realization is far more damaging. It means they didn’t do their jobs. And the political leaders, says BBC’s Gordon Corera, “believed the intelligence they had been told about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.”

            “Everyone, including the spies, was convinced by the intelligence that said Saddam had the weapons,” he writes. Yet “they were not sure it looked strong enough to win the argument.”

            President George W. Bush and U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair and their staffs and even Hans Blix, the chief United Nations arms inspector before the war, believed that Saddam Hussein had hidden weapons of mass destruction.

            The lesson of the Iraq error, Corera tells us, is that political leaders should avoid “overemphasis on intelligence” in the decision to wage war. One worries that the Obama administration, rather than learning history’s lessons, seems to be choosing precisely the opposite course.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            Now there have been reports that some of the WMD’s from Saddam that were reported at that time to have been moved to Syria…with help from Russia….are in fact some the WMD that are have now been used in Syria….Bush Lied…..Don’t think so…

          • JeffH

            Bush was a choir boy compared to the Liar in Chief O’man…and I’m no fan of Bush.

            Wikileaks proves WMD found in Iraq
            http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/10/wikileaks_proves_wmd_found_in.html
            This is not surprising news to anyone not predisposed to call President Bush a liar about WMD.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            Jeff…I am not any big fan of any of the Bushs…I voted for Bush 1 in 88…and Perot in 92…I did vote for Bush 2 both times…but then look at the alternative was EGORE…and John “Benedict Arnold” Kerry….And we certianly do not need the RINO JEB….Then I held my nose and voted for Juan McLame and Romney…instead of the “LITTLE BOY DICTATOR”
            The last true Conservtive that we has was Ronald Reagan…

          • NC

            fREEDOM, Reagan A “TRUE CCONSERVATIVE”???
            WITH HIS UNION ORGANIZER BACKGROUND, HIS IFFY TAX POLICY, HIS INTRUSION INTO FOREIGN SQUABBLES AND A CREATOR OF A RECORD DEBT??????? THAT’S NOT THE DEFNITION OF A TRUE CONSERVATIVE THAT YOUR FELLOW “TRUE CONSERVATIVES” HAVE BEEN USING HERE!!!!!! I’M NOT SURE MR. BOB WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR CALL EITHER!!!!

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            NC….Again….

            You are Entitled to your OPINION…..but it is just that and OPINION…..Facts are out their if you want to look for them…that show otherwise….

            For rhe record….I am not a big fan of GW Bush….or for that matter….I am not a fan of any Occupant of the Whtie House since 1988……

          • macgyver1948

            JeffH…Lots of intelligence failed but were were the WMDs when and since we immorally invaded and became an occupying force in Iraq?

            There were things in the news around the time before 911 where several countries saw a very large truck convey leaving Iraq, they presumed it was the Russians behind the wheel because they had the biggest stake in Iraq’s Chemical weaponry, and drove toward Syria. Imagine that.

            History’s lessons? It was said we had help in losing in Vietnam because for the same notion in “The lesson of the Iraq error, Corera tells us, is that political leaders should avoid “overemphasis on intelligence” in the decision to wage war“. I hope we learned from that in Nam that we would let the Military run the wars if the politicians send them to war. The last justifiable war for the US was WW2 in my opinion.

          • JeffH

            You never answered my question. What lies did Bush tell Mac48?

          • macgyver1948

            JeffH… Then you are not reading my responses…

          • JeffH

            Yes Mac48, I’ve read some of them and you still haven’t responded directly to me, re: my question.

            Uh, above you garbled some gobble-d-gook stuff about (?)Russian trucks heading to Syria post 9/11 but that was all non-sequitur and didn’t remotely resemble any answer.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            MAC BOY…JUST MORE USELESS BABBLE….

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Argument to ridicule. I went there and we went by using information gathered by us and our allies. Why do you keep crying about this, when Bush has been out of office for 5 years now. Give it a rest. Here is an article about socialism and geeks.

            http://www.capitolhilldaily.com/2013/10/tech-geeks-socialism/#more

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “The legislative authority necessarily predominates.”

            Federalist 51

          • macgyver1948

            samurai… Have you ever heard that “if we do not learn from history we are doomed to repeat it”? I am still still harping on it 5 years after the little bush is out of office because I do not want it to ever happen again. Also because there were so many Americans killed and
            maimed in the little bush’s immoral invasion and it is still costing us loads of money today at a time when our economy needs it.

            I will not “give it rest” because we need to remember just like we need to remember the damages driven by greed and apathy-for-us caused by the TPGOP’s Government Shut down during the next several
            elections.

            Thanks for the article “Are Technology Geeks Embracing Socialism?“. I was a techno geek most of my career and I hate Socialism, or anything
            else, if it limits liberty for the sake of limiting.

          • nc

            jana, bush and cheney told each other that the Iraqi people would greet us with “chocolateS and flowers!” So they don’t send in enough troops to secure the enemy weapons which they use as IEDs to kill and wound A HELL OF A LOT MORE YOUNG AMERICANS THAN JUST FOUR!!! 5000 dead and 30,000 wounded!
            I guess you don’t want to talk about those numbers?? OR their economy numbers either! Just what you want to talk about???? How juvenile!!
            They forgot that the most dangerous lies we can tell are the ones we tell ourselves!!!!!!

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            PURE BULLS**T…
            FYI….I DO NOT APPROVE OF MUCH OF WHAT THE REPULBICAN PARTY DOES…..BECAUSE THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALL YOU LIBERALS MAKE IS THAT ALL OF US A REPUBLICANS…..CONPLETELY FALSE….I AND MOST OF US ARE “CONSERVATIVES” AND WE DO NOT ADHERE TO ANY PARTY LINE….

          • JUKEBOX

            Barry was an absurd idea when he announced, and you see where that absurd idea ended up.

      • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

        JUST MORE USELESS BABBLE….

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Obama bin Laden had the authority to send in the military, but told them to stand down. Hate? Prove this to be hate. Sounds more like argument to ridicule to me. Here are 2 articles about and by a patriotic woman.

        http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/02/07/michelle-malkin-destroys-juan-williams-again-n1507389

        http://www.michellemalkin.com/2013/10/25/what-happened-to-all-of-obamas-technology-czars/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        “Moreover, thou shalt provide out of all the people, able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.”

        Exodus 18:21
        Basis for Republicanism – Article IV, Section IV
        Elections at federal, state, county, and local levels

        • macgyver1948

          samurai… All I am asking is to show how you might know Obama is hating. Telling the military to stand down was based on his given Intel at the time and I would think, and hope, in his hind sight he regrets it since the 4 were killed by terrorists. Why in your hate of him do you so easily go to the dark side without really knowing Obama or his intentions?

          I will go to the sites you say are by a “ patriotic woman” when and if I have the time. What is your definition of “patriotic”? I see it as someone who loves his/her country, even with its faults, and, in our case in America, stands by the US Constitution. I took an oath
          to defend it when I went into the Air Force in the late `1960’s and I still stand by it today. I see Liberty and Freedom as being equal for all US Citizens , no one has more than anyone else, but I do not see that in many of those on your side of the aisle. So it is not you
          personally I ridicule but what is lacking in you, and many on your side, for the Constitution. Sorry Charlie (oh wait, you aren’t Charlie but you two are identical twins to me in many ways) but I cannot agree with you in how you push your religion on others and in
          your politics. You too, as well as so many on your side, have that “Only my ways are Right for all and you have to be wrong if you do not agree with me” attitude and that is not Constitutionally compliant to me.

          Shalom samurai. :-)

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! I wish I was there to see that, but I wasn’t. Cankles Hag? As Sook Young would say, “EEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWW!” Here is an article describing how our $17 trillion dollar debt could be $22 trillion by February.

      http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/heatherginsberg/2013/10/24/at-current-spending-pace-us-will-reach-22-trillion-in-debt-by-february-n1731669

      If this happens, our economy and country are both doomed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      “We have this day restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come.”

      Samuel Adams

  • Chuckb

    Palin 16, Yes Barry did exactly what you say. His concern was the Campaign trip tp Las Vegas, that was far more important, You have to realize, this guy, has no other concerns than being President, he is clueless to the security of the country.or the operation thereof we have a Wizard of Oz as president.

    Both he and Hillary should be held accountable for the sacrifice of the four people in Benghazi.

    We shouldn’t let up on calling for justice, both these people should be in jail,

  • Fixall

    Thanks,Ben. More chuckles, however most of them are the truth.

  • Don 2

    They voted for Hitler too. How did that work out?

    Seriously, are you in a psychiatric institution?

    • macgyver1948

      Don 2… Hitler lost the election by a nice size margin. Then he stole the government using their thug tactics. Learn some history. What is your point and how does it compare?

      • Don 2

        MacGyver, are you saying that the statement, “They voted for Hitler too,” is not true?

        • macgyver1948

          Don 2… No Don 2, I am saying what I said. Many German voters did vote for Hitler but they were the minority of those who voted. We need to remember that the Nazis pressured (threatened) many voters to vote their way and they, at the polls, chased away some who would not vote for Hitler.

          “Hitler never had more than 37 percent of the popular vote in the honest elections that occurred before he became Chancellor. And the opposition among the 63 percent against him was generally quite strong. Hitler therefore would have never seen the light of day had
          the German Republic been truly democratic”.

          More at http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitlerdemo.htm

          “Early years · Entry into politics · Rise to power · Third
          Reich · World War II

          Although he lost to Hindenburg, this election established Hitler as a strong force in German politics”. …

          More at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler

          There is more but that’s enough.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            WHAT YOU CAN’T SEE IS THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAY ABOUT HITLER AND THE NAZIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOUR LITTLE BOY DICTATOR IS DOING IN THS COUNTRY…..

          • macgyver1948

            That is so sad for you to be this delusional in your comparison.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            I PREPARE MYSELF WITH THE REAL FACTS AND THE TRUTH….
            YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE…BUT THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE REAL REALITY OF THE SITUATION….

            YOU CAN CONTINUE TO PERSONALLY ATTACK PEOPLE AND SPREAD THE PROPAGANDA THAT YOU CALL FACTS….BUT IF YOU OPENED YOUR EYES ON HERE…YOU WOULD SEE THAT NO ONE IS BUYING INTO YOUR BULLS**T EXCEPT YOU AND A FEW OTHER LIBERALS THAT ARE JUST AS BLIND AS YOU ARE…

          • Don 2

            And your purpose for telling me all this would be…..?

          • macgyver1948

            Don 2… I am responding to

            Don 2 macgyver1948

            • 4 hours ago

            “MacGyver, are you saying that the statement, “They voted for Hitler too,” is not true?”.

          • Don 2

            A simple “no” would have sufficed.

        • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

          Don….Mac Boy is so far gone….there is not hope for him…

          • Don 2

            FTUSA, there is no hope for those who Lenin would describe as useful idiots. Keep in mind that they are not the least bit interested in anything that you have to say. Their only mission is to distort facts, and protect the socialist agenda. As history shows, when the time comes, the hardcore Communist will also take out the ‘useful idiot’ socialist because they know that they are not trustworthy.

      • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

        Now since you stated that Hitler used thug tactics to steal the government….If you really understood History as I do…from 50 years of studing it….YOU WOULD SEE THE CLEAR PARALLELS FROM HITLER AND THE NAZI REGIME TO WHAT THE “LITTLE BOY DICTATOR” IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS DOING…..BUT YOU ARE FAR TOO BRAIN WASHED TO SEE THESE PARALLELS…

        • macgyver1948

          FreedomTrainUSA .. What a distorted impression of how you see Obama’s campaign. I really feel sorry for you. There were no thug tactics used by Obama’s people but the Tea in you sees it so you have Thugs on your brain for those who will not agree with you. There were many on the Left helping people to get to the polls and not telling them how to vote. Nice try
          but it is not me who is brainwashed here..

          50 years of history study, LOL

          888

          FreedomTrainUSA Conservatives think for themselves….you keep refering to “Do you really
          believe what your side tells you of the Left”
          ANSWER THIS QUESTION…..WHAT SIDE IS THAT THAT YOU ARE REFERING TO??????????????
          BE VERY SPECIFIC……. THE ONLY SIDE THAT REFERS ME IS “MY OWN” IS THE ANSWERS THAT I GET FROM MY RESEARCH….

          6:11 p.m., Saturday Oct. 26

          Your side, The Right or Conservative side is what side I am referring to. And I am not the one who thinks I “know everything”, You just use that to fight me. I do not get personal until I get attacked.

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            MAC BOY….Do you even read anything before you throw out your Useless BS…Where in that did I say THUG????? I SAID FRAUD…..AND THERE WAS PLENTY OF IT…

            AND EVEN IF THERE WERE MANY ON THE LEFT HELPING PEOPLE GET TO THE POLLS….WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT PROVE?????

            IN FACT I WILL AGREE WITH YOU THAT THEY BROUGHT ALOT OF PEOPLE TO THE POLLS IN MANY PLACES THAT WERE NOT ELEGIBLE TO VOTE…

            RIGHT OR CONSERVATIVE SIDE…..BE SPECIFIC???? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE???? AND WHAT SPECIFIC MESSAGE ARE THEY TELLING US TO SAY????? BE SPEICIFIC…

            AND YES I DO BELIEVE WHAT I RESEARCH WHEN I AM SEEKING THE TRUTH……AND FIND THE REAL ANSWERS…SO TELL ME WHO IS TELLING ME WHAT TO SAY??????

            THIS WAS YOUR EXACT QUOTE IN A PREVIOUS POST…I DID NOT SAY IT YOU DID…”Do you really
            believe what your side tells you of the Left”

            YOUR QUOTE NOT MINE…”You just use that to fight me. I do not get personal until I get attacked.”
            YES I WILL YOU FACTS THAT CAN BE VERIFIED TO AS YOU SAY FIGHT YOU….I AM NOT GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT IS NOT TRUE….BECAUSE I RESEARCH THINGS TO FIND THE TRUTH….

            AS FAR AS PERSONAL ATTACKS….THE VERY FIRST COMMENT OF YOURS THAT I READ WAS AN ATTACK…ON OTHERS POSTS THAT I COMMENTED ON….YOU AND YOU ALONE DECIDED TO ATTACK…NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND…

            SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE I PERSONALLY ATTACKED YOU?????
            .AND AN PERSONAL ATTACK IS NOT A COMMENT THAT YOU DO NOT LIKE OR AGREE WITH.

            “50 years of history study, LOL”
            YOU CAN BELIEVE WHATEVER YOUR WARPED LIBERAL MIND WANTS TO BELIEVE…I REALLY DO NOT CARE….BECASUSE EVERYTING YOU SAY PROVES THAT YOU HAVE NOT GOT A CLUE TO ANYTHING….

          • macgyver1948

            FreedomTrainUSA… Yeah, I read a lot before I write and I wonder if that is what really bothers guys like you.

            People on the Left helping others get to the polls will not mean they are pressuring any of them in their voting choices.

            Do you want names in answering “RIGHT OR CONSERVATIVE SIDE…..BE SPECIFIC???? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE???? AND WHAT SPECIFIC MESSAGE ARE THEY TELLING US TO SAY????? BE SPEICIFIC…”. are you for real. Read my comments and I mention names.

          • Jana

            Yes, I remember you saying you knew so much about Obama. Well, here is a little tid bit for you.

            WASHINGTON, D.C. –
            Evidence has surfaced indicating the Obama administration was prepared to suspend all food-stamp payments beginning Nov. 1 in a political move to
            pressure Republicans in Congress to reopen the government and agree to continued deficit spending.

            If the Obama administration were willing to issue such a directive in October, will it do so again when the debate over stopping the government and raising the debt ceiling
            is schedule

            Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/obama-plotting-to-suspend-popular-handout/#bdXMvthK91rSvwXw.99d to resume in Congress in about three months?

            Wow, if your Fuhrer is willing to hurt people that badly and you know him so well and are so willing to serve him, how highly does that speak of you and the left?

            This isn’t the Right that wants to hurt people.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Here is an article about Obama bin Laden and Seal Team 6. Sounds kind of like what Hitler did to his brownshirts.

            http://www.westernjournalism.com/seal-team-6-set/

            I guess since they were not what Obama bin Laden wanted or they knew certain information, they became expendable. I guess they believe in Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Furher (One country, one people, one leader). FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “This new Reich will give its youth to no one, but will itself take youth and give to youth its own education and its own upbringing.”

            Adolf Hitler
            May 1, 1937

          • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

            YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED A SINGLE QUESTION….I HAVE READ MOST OF YOUR RANTS…AND THEY DO NOT ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS….

        • NC

          Freedom, give me your take on the REPUBLICAN bush family connection assisting IN BUILDING UP the Hitler WAR MACHINE and the DEMOCRAT FDR connection with helping bringing the HITLER WAR MACHINE to it’s knees! Now there are some REAL parallels for you!!
          I, TOO, HAVE BEEN STUDING HISTORY FOR OVER 60 YEARS!!! EVEN MAJORED IN IT IN UNDERGRADUATE SCHOOL!!

          • Don 2

            nc, give us your take on Hillary Clinton supporter and NAZI collaborator George Soros connection with NAZI Germany. You know George Soros, the guy who collaborated with the NAZIS against his own people.

          • nc

            don, have you ever lived as a child in the midst of a world war and on your own?? Plus being Jewish in Nazi occupied territory! Do you know anything about the will to survive in those conditions??
            Just sit back in your mother’s basement and pass judgment on him!! You need to pray he doesn’t buy your play pen here and shut it down!! He can you know!!

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Have we not forgotten his attempted coups at the Beerhall Pouche (sp)? He wasn’t elected then, but felt the only way to get Germany back on track was to overthrow the current Weimar Government. He did use tactics like this, but it was after he was already elected. They helped him to become chancellor. Neeeeed to study your history more. Here is an article describing Senator Rubio’s idea about Obama bin Laden Care.

        http://www.humanevents.com/2013/10/24/marcos-turn/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of the house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”

        Ezra 7:24
        Basis for tax exemptions for churches
        U.S. Constitution and law

        • macgyver1948

          Samurai … Are you out of you mind? So do you justify that evil SOB Hitler in his theft of the Government even after he and the Nazis threatened voters, also Government people, and stole the Government? Are you justifying his immoral invasion of other countries and wanting to control to world, including the US?

          He wanted to “get Germany back on track” and make himself and the Nazis the rulers of the world. What in that are you supporting? Do you, you religious whatever, know the Nazis wrote their own Christan
          Bible and took out a lot to justify their hate? Do you realize if Hitler was successful in conquering the world you would be his kind of Christian assuming he would have allowed your grand parents, or parents, to live?

          Refs:

          http://creation.com/hitler-bible

          http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

          http://www.studytoanswer.net/islam/hitlerislam.html

          Then you go on to say “He did use tactics like this, but it was after he was already elected. They helped him to become chancellor”. Of course many Germans helped Hitler or they would be most likely be dead for non-compliance. What are you supporting here? How can you, a self-proclaimed Christian, be supporting that evil? WOW!!!

          You end with “”Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Le vites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of the house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”Ezra 7:24 Basis for tax exemptions for churches
          U.S. Constitution and law”

          Oh great and wise Samurai, I am a Levi. Oh and Ezra 7:24 may have been the “Basis for tax exemptions for churches U.S. Constitution and law” but the Churches, of any religion or denomination, must comply with other laws as well to keep that tax exempt status.

    • Jana

      According to the History Channel 37% of the Jews voted for Hitler too. Hitler had the ones who voted for him killed or imprisoned right along with the rest of the Jews. Shows you how you can fool some of the people some of the time.

      The more I listen to the History Channel about Hitler the more familiar I am becoming with Obama’s tactics.

      Yep, you sure can learn a lot from History!

      • Don 2

        Agreed, one of my favorite channels, along with the military channel.

      • NC

        JANA, WHAT HAS HISTORY RECORDED ABOUT TRUE CONSERVATIVE LEADERS IN AMERICA? LIKE NADA!!!!!! NOT MUCH TO LEARN FROM HISTORY THERE!
        We thank you people for staying out of the way while we PROGRESSED from a small piney woods nation to NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD!!
        I WAS A HISTORY MAJOR IN UNDERGRADUATE SCHOOL! LOVE THE HISTORY CHANNEL! HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT THE bush family CONNECTION TO HITLER’S GERMANY?? WHOSE “TACTICS” WERE THOSE?????OBAMA’S???? REALLY???

        • Jana

          POOR NC. YOU DIDN’T LEARN VERY MUCH THEN DID YOU.?????
          I FIGURED YOU MUST BE HARD OF HEARING AND NEED TO BE SHOUTED AT SINCE THAT IS ALL YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IS SHOUT.

  • Palin16

    Just what are the Hildebeast’s qualifications to be president? Secretary of State? The last Secretary of State to become president was James Buchanan in 1856. And she did a lousy job at that. Senator? Oh yes, a senator that voted yes to attacking Iraq (even Barry voted no). First Lady? An unpaid, largely ceremonial role. Not a qualification. What did she do, hang the White House drapes?

    • Palin16

      Just as I suspected….Day 2 since my post above…..and not one single liberal lunatic has answered my question. What qualifications does Hillary Pantsuit have to be president?

      • Jana

        I will answer you. She doesn’t have any qualifications at all!!!!

        • Palin16

          Keep in mind the Hildebeast has various health issues as well: blood clot in her brain (treated with blood thinners), a concussion, 40-50 pounds overweight and appears to be aging very rapidly.

          • Jana

            And getting uglier.!!

  • Chuckb

    Alex, Don’t expect Hillary to run in 2016, she should be serving time by

    then.
    Barry will probably be herding goats with his brother Muslims in Kenya.
    Barrycare will probably go down in flames, What is hilarious about this Healthcare bill, Barry circumvents the campaign trail convincing his pawns how great it is, and he doesn’t have a clue what it is, Your hero is a fraud, a pp conman and the worlds greatest liar.

    Deport all Muslims, illegal Mexicans and blacks from Africa and the Carribbean Islands who are here illegally.
    Health care problem solved.
    Duh!

    • Jana

      We can hope!

    • Bob666

      Yo Chuck,

      “Don’t expect Hillary to run in 2016, she should be serving time by then”.

      Doubt it

      “Barrycare will probably go down in flames, What is hilarious about this Healthcare bill, Barry circumvents the campaign trail convincing his pawns how great it is, and he doesn’t have a clue what it is, Your hero is a fraud, a pp conman and the worlds greatest liar”.

      Small amount of truth, If the ACA is as bad as you claim it is, it will be repealed. If it is far better than you say it will be, them maybe we can make it up from #37 in the world health care ranking.

      “Deport all Muslims, illegal Mexicans and blacks from Africa and the Carribbean Islands who are here illegally”.

      I believe that you exposed your hand on that comment.

  • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

    THIS POST IS SUCH A PILE OF BULLS**T THAT THERE IS NO POINT TO TRY TO REPLY TO IT….IT IS NOTHING BUT THE WORK OF A VERY INFANTILE MIND….AS MOST OF IT IS NOTHING BUT A TEMPER TANTRUM….FILLED WITH NAME CALLING AND PERSONAL ATTACKS…

  • JUKEBOX

    I didn’t know Chris Matthews was aware of this website!

    • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

      You mean Chrissy “I Tinkle Down My Leg” when his Annointed One is one Airwaves???

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Sounds like some kind of sexual arousal. I know that Obama bin Laden had queer lovers, but I didn’t think any of them were in the MSM. Here is an article describing how Obama bin Laden Care will cost an Indiana school district more than $6 million dollars a year. So much for low cost insurance.

        http://www.theweeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-costs-one-indiana-school-district-6-million_764732.html

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        “The sould that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.”

        Ezekiel 18:20
        Basis for Article III, Section 3
        Provision against attainder
        U.S. Constitution

  • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

    QUESTON…Is anyone else having trouble with Disqus on here today and in the past week?????

    • Jana

      Yes!!!!!!! Several times I have not been able to get on at all. Disqus couldn’t load. Or it was having trouble posting my comments, so I just got off.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        My problem is when I go a certain distance down a thread, it slows my computer way down. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Here is an article that tells of how a CBS news reporter slams Obama bin Laden Care.

        http://www.theweeklystandard.com/blogs/cbs-video-obamacare-takes-away-womans-health-care-choices_764705.html

        I guess that CBS is starting to wake up from their sheeple sleep. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        “But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”

        Leviticus 19:34
        Basis for our uniform immigration laws
        Article I, Section 8
        U.S. Constitution

        • Jana

          When that happens to me it means I need to clean my computer.

        • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

          I have had that problem also….and it is not my computer…because it does not show up on sites where Disqus is not a part of it…

        • JeffH

          Fellow patriot samurai says “My problem is when I go a certain distance down a thread, it slows my computer way down.”

          Same here…sometimes it takes a long time to just load a comment or even get the reply box.

    • organicroseski2

      I have been using guest. Once I put all the information in, a red block comes on (The e-mail address you specified is already in use. (Do you already have an account?); therefore, I have to switch to “guest.”

      • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

        I do have an Account…..I frequently have had to login to sites each time I use them…Not just this one….Sometimes comments do not show up…things load very slowly….on every site that I use it…so I know it is not Liberty Digest problem…This started about a week to maybe 10 days ago…

    • JeffH

      Bob Livingston and PLD are addressing the problems encountered with DISQUS. At the top of the thread surrounded with a red border is this statement:

      “Since we switched to the Disqus comment system several months ago, there have been times when discussions in the Comment Section have gone awry because the system was incorrectly attributing comments to the wrong commenter(s). The Personal Liberty technical team has been working with the Disqus team for some time to identify and to try to correct it. Evidence indicates the problem is confined to those commenters who signed in to comment as guests rather than through Disqus. We now believe that the only way to solve the problem is to accept comments only from those who have signed into Disqus either through Disqus or a social media account. Doing so is free. It will not require you to give Personal Liberty any private information. This change will take effect beginning Nov. 4. We hope this will improve the experience for everyone in the Personal Liberty community.

      Best wishes,
      Bob Livingston

      • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

        Thanks

  • http://seekingalpha.com/article/1514632 lottopol

    “… In the USA we have attempted to deal with the combination of inelastic demand and unregulated medical care prices in various ways. One method of keeping medical care expense as a percent of GDP to “only” double that of other developed countries was to have a significant portion of the population uninsured and denied medical care in some circumstances. Obamacare will reduce the number of uninsured and untreated. However admirable this may be from a humanitarian perspective, absent price controls, it will exacerbate the cost problem. The existence of large numbers of uninsured
    (conscripts in the war against rising medical costs) did moderate the growth in
    health care costs. Now the number of uninsured and untreated will be declining and uncontrolled prices will be rising.

    HMO’s were once thought to be a way of dealing with the
    inexorable price increases. The problem is that HMOs have to compete against
    each other for services of doctors and hospitals. As long as medical prices are
    set by market forces, the inelasticity of demand will force market prices
    inexorably higher. In a “mixed system” with both free-market and controlled health
    care prices like the USA, prices inexorably are driven upwards to the market
    level as long as demand is inelastic. Prices such as payments from Medicare
    that are “controlled” have to be increased continuously with legislation such
    as the “doctor-fix” to stay competitive with market prices. Medical prices can
    only be effectively controlled either by direct price controls as in Japan or
    with systems where everyone gets care for “free” from the government (Canada,
    UK, France). In those countries only the extremely wealthy can chose not to use
    the government paid health services that they have already paid for with their
    taxes and patronize the relatively small market-priced sector. In those
    countries, forgoing the government priced system is not an option for almost
    all doctors, as it is in the USA.

    In some respects, free-market capitalism mixes with medical
    care almost as badly socialism mixes with agriculture. The economic failures of communism are well
    known, particularly the inability of state-run agriculture to provide even
    basic staples. In free markets “consumer sovereignty” directs the producers of
    goods and services to follow the dictates of supply and demand. As Adam Smith
    explained in 1776, no central authority coordinates the delivery of food and
    the plethora of goods that a major city like London needs every day. Rather, the “invisible
    hand” of competitive free markets results in an abundance of goods and services
    being provided to consumers in the most efficient manner. The “consumption” of
    medical care overturns many of the economic assumptions that underlie
    free-market efficiency. Usually, the conditions under which medical care is
    provided are the exact opposite of consumer sovereignty. In most cases the
    “sellers” i.e. the doctors, tell you, the “buyer” what and how much you need
    and set the price. The prevalence of third-party payers further removes
    medicine from the purview of the normal supply and demand market economics that
    prevails for goods and services whose sellers do not face inelastic demand.

    The price inelasticity of health care is also a consequence
    of the success of the medical science. Two hundred years ago, consultation with
    a physician did not significantly alter the outcomes of most medical
    conditions. Doctors could do very little for patients prior to 1800. Since
    then, the medical science has made tremendous progress. As treatments became
    more effective, people became willing to pay increasingly more for health care.
    It is quite logical that as doctors could do more and more to improve people’s
    lives; people would be willing to pay more for their services.

    From a humanitarian perspective this medical progress is
    great. However, in any unregulated market, the price of a product facing
    inelastic demand will eventually increase until the price reaches the elastic
    portion of the demand curve. For the USA, that would mean spending much
    more than 50% of GDP on health care. Most of those not engaged in the health
    care industry would see their standard of living plummet. This is politically unacceptable.
    Thus, well before the prices of health care reach that level the USA will
    join the rest of the developed world and control medical prices.

    In the short-run, Obamacare with 30 million more people with
    health insurance means greater profits for the health care sector. However,
    retention of a basically market-priced healthcare system will ultimately prove
    untenable. One scenario could be that politicians in the USA who so far
    have demonstrated abysmal ignorance of the economics of healthcare will attempt
    a “free market solution”. As unfettered health care prices would be a disaster,
    that would probably then cause the USA to join the rest of the world
    with some type of monoposonized health care system. As most observers of the
    various health care system in world, except possibly Michael Moore, are aware this
    would not be a total panacea;

    The USA
    spends about twice as much per person on health care as other developed
    countries. However, the prices paid by Americans or their insurance carriers
    for medical procedures are typically about triple what is paid in other
    developed countries. Hence, Americans consume less health care services than
    their foreign counterparts. Obamacare does not seriously address the price
    problem and would thus appear likely to only exacerbate the problem…”
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/1647632

  • Jana

    The only ones I see telling women what to think or do are the Demonic-rats. They are trying to convince us women or brainwash us that we aren’t in control of our own bodies and that some Republican is going to take control of it, ha!

    Alex you may not be a member of the Demonic rat party, if I really believed that, but I know you voted that way. You are too good of a little Socialist not to have.

    • macgyver1948

      Jana…Wow is this delusional but typical of you. Try again with who is really trying to tell women how to deal with their own bodies. Dems are fighting fort woman’s right to choose for themselves and your side is demanding how to choose.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Argument to ridicule. There is a choice of having your child or committing infanticide. God does not tolerate the 2nd choice. Which dems are you talking about? Are you talking about the American eugenist and bigot Margaret Sanger? I’ll bet you she is burning in the unqeunchable fires of hades right now, so you’ll support her and what she stood for instead of what God stands for? Sheesh! Here is an article describing how Obama bin Laden has violated the checks and balances of the Constitution.

        http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/13013/obama-assumes-roll-congress/#5vaCU4Qb5qPawtOB.99

        I guess that your ilk will never learn. Read Deuteronomy 17:15 to understand how Obama bin Laden is just a pretender. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        “At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be pur to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.”

        Deuteronomy 17:6
        Basis for Article III, Section 3
        Witnesses and capital punishment
        U.S. Constitution

        • macgyver1948

          samurai… I told you more than once before I am personally against abortion but I will not deny other people their choices. Free choice is what this country is about. What has Margaret Sanger done for you to call her a bigot? I call those who fought against Civil Rights in the 1960s bigots, and for their other adventures. People like the Koch Klan. Fred Koch (the daddy of the infamous Koch Brothers) and others in his family are in that category but why do you call Margaret Sanger that? Do you really want to make that bet about her?

          Your bet “I’ll bet you she is burning in the unqeunchable fires of hades right now, so you’ll support her and what she stood for instead of
          what God stands for? Sheesh!”. I do not think all you think she is guilty of is reality based but you would lose the bet if you think I would support what you think.

          You send me to Godfather Politics site and expect me to see anything but Right Conservative hate for Obama. Are you for real about that? All I see is their hate and not genuine journalism. Their slant is pure hate.

          You suggest I read Deuteronomy Chapter 17:15. So I went to the Hebrew bible for that understanding. Where, next paragraph, is Obama mentioned in it? All you do is force your desired meanings into Hebrew Scriptures to justify your intentions when there is no
          justification almost all the time. You and Charlie have done that so often with me on this site. You can do that with your rewrites, with your special respective (for each denomination or Christian religion)
          interpretations you guys call “The Old Testament” in your newer bibles but it doesn’t work with the original Hebrew Bible. There is no Jesus anywhere in the Hebrew Bible and you cannot force him, or Obama specifically, in either.

          Deuteronomy Chapter 17:

          14 When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein; and shalt say: ‘I will set a king over me, like all the nations that are round about me';

          15 thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose; one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee; thou mayest not put a foreigner over thee, who is not thy brother.

          16 Only he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses; forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you: ‘Ye shall henceforth return no more
          that way.’

          Oh, yours “”At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be pur to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.”
          Deuteronomy 17:6”.

          From The Hebrew Bible’s Deuteronomy Chapter 17:

          6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is to die be put to death; at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

          One eye-witness in our courts is generally enough to do the sentencing, even a death penalty, but not always.

          Please stay out of Torah because you just do not get It and stick with your own religion and your own bible for you.

          • Sarah417

            OK, Mac. Let’s go with your first paragraph. About free choice. Women have the right to free choice. Then I have the free choice not to pay for your free choice.

          • Bob666

            Sara,
            I was not aware that anyone asked you to pay for anything?

          • macgyver1948

            Sarah417… Ok, I agree, I do not need you to pay for my “free choice”s and I do not want you to, that should be your choice. But there are so many who need and deserve help. If I have and I am willing to help, just
            as your Christian Messiah Jesus might suggest, I feel I should, that is my choice. If I am wrong in assuming you are Christian I apologize but I think you get the point either way.

          • KG

            Yes you do! Just don’t let the door hit you on the rear on the way out. But, if YOU CHOOSE to live in our Democratic Republic, then you have to pay your dues just like everyone else. I personally do not want the Government to use
            Directed Energy Weapons on human beings. It’s like the
            Disruptors that are banned by Starfleet . I don’t like the fact that these were used in Iraq to ‘microwave’ whole families in their homes. So I can complain about that, but can I stop paying my taxes just because I don’t agree?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Argument to ridicule. Iraq, baaaaa! Still sound like a sheeple. Here is an article describing how democrats worry about losing big due to Obama bin Laden Care..

            http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/10/democrats-hoping-
            obamacare-wont-make-lose-big/

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

            “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.”

            1 Peter 1:3

      • Jana

        Wrong. Dems just want to provide birth control free to everyone when it’s already cheap in the first place. So you decided to make a war over that and call it choice. Big deal!

        • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

          I do think that MAC BOY….is completely DELUSIONAL…..He must be trying to set a Liberal Record for the most OUTRAGEOUS BULLS**T that posted on a single blog article….He must be the Liberal ENERGIZER BUNNY….LOL…

        • macgyver1948

          Jana… You say “Wrong” as if you are an authority on what other’s want. So typical of your side. Yes it is choice because they do not have to take it and there would be no repercussions for not. But there may be
          repercussions for having unwanted and unplanned pregnancies and then so many may opt for those abortions we both are not in favor of which is what the suggested birth controls are meant to help avoid. But you
          seem to rather have the abortion rate increase rather than take precautions. You go little girl with your fight against such precautions as you take the liberty of choice away. You side must love you too. :-).

      • JeffH

        Talking points Mac48, you’ve learned them well!
        Do you use a cheat sheet or have you memorized them all?

      • Sarah417

        So Mac, under obamacare EVERYONE who has a job and can pay for Obamacare now has to pay for birth control and abortions for EVERYONE who doesn’t have or want a job even those women getting subsidized living and getting paid increases for each and every child that she has. I don’t have to pay. I’m exempt from Obamacare. But you do.

        There are now more people collecting welfare than people working. How’s that gonna work for ya?

        • macgyver1948

          Sarah417… WOW, this is such a typical unrealistic Right Wing statement. ObamaCare, like any other health care program has to fund itself with
          premiums.

          I am exempt from ObamaCare too so if we are exempt why are you complaining?

          I am not for any kind of welfare for those who do not totally qualify and can prove their need. I am not for letting people go homeless and starving if they qualify and I still have the compassion the Christian Messiah Jesus talked about. What do you have in that
          regard?

          Just curious. Do you consider Social Security and Medicare handouts/welfare/charity/whatever? Just asking because they are none of those things. ObamaCare is Obama’s atte4mpt to get affordable
          health care out there for those who need health insurance just as President Ronald Reagan suggested. ObamaCare, as with any new and
          very large program, needs adjustments and deletions, such as the GOPs Mandate, and other GOP items, that was forced into it. Before OCare was OKed in the House Obama said, at least twice that I know of, he
          didn’t want those GOP items in OCare but he had no choice if he wanted OCare to pass. Live with it as the rest of us must until that is corrected.

          As for the birth control inclusions, their uses are choices and not demanded. It is so way too unrealistic to expect people, and kids especially, to refrain from sex so the birth control is a precaution, one that could help keep abortions down. Are you in favor of lowering
          the abortion rate or not?

          Also maybe there are so many people on welfare because of the high jobless rates since the little bush administration. Obama didn’t cause it but he did, as all presidents do, inherit the economic situation. Not having jobs, not having enough money can cause the need for welfare. Does your side ever consider reality before making such harsh and perhaps unrealistic statements? It isn’t only those who refuse to work and want to be on welfare as your side wants us to believe of so many who are on welfare. I do not know about you but I bet there are so many on welfare, and who are homeless and starving, who would rather not (be on welfare or homeless and starving). Think again but be more realistic and compassionate.

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Now that is telling the truth. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. Never mind Mac’s post, for it is nothin but argument to ridicule and left wing wacko propaganda. Here is an article that describes how the states can ignore Obama bin Laden Care.

      http://www.westernjournalism.com/states-authorized-law-ignore-obamacare/

      Here is an article about the ponzi scheme of social security, another unconstitutional program.

      http://www.westernjournalism.com/the-truth-about-social-security/

      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      “To fear God is one of the first and greatest duties of his rational creatures.”

      Charles Inglis

  • Palin16

    Liberal Logic 101:
    “Benghazi was a long time ago.
    Now can we please get back to blaming Bush?”

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Why would someone give a thumbs down? Must be a libturd or progturd. Time to join the fight and overrun their perimiter again. I can just imagine the smell of libturd and progturd logs burning on the fire. Speaking of Benghazi, here is an article describing what a witness to Benghazi saw.

      http://www.conservativebyte.com/2013/10/benghazi-bombshell-60-minutes-interviews-eyewitness/

      Now how about that? It seems that more of the MSM is starting to wake up about the prentder Obama bin Laden. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      “And as my children will have frequent occaision of persuing this instrument, and may probably be particularly impressed with the last words of their father, I think it proper here not only to subscribe to the entire belief of the great and leading doctrines of the Christian religion such as the Divinity of the person and the completeness of the redemption purchased by the blessed Savior; the necessity of the operations od the Divine Spirit; of Divine faith, accompanied with an habitual virtuous life but also, in the bowels of a father’s affection, to extort and charge them that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, that the way of life held up in the Christian system is calculated for the most complete happiness that can be enjoyed in this mortal state, and that all occaisions of vice and immorality is injurous either immediately or consequentially – even in this life.”

      Richard Stockton
      Signer of the Declaration of Independence
      Lawyer
      Jurist
      Legislator
      Devout Christian

    • NC

      Palin 16, here is what liberal logic knows about Benghazi and bush! The Benghaze Scandal(?) was supposed to bring down Obama and Hillary immediately! That was over a year ago! The IRS Scandal(?) was to do the same thing! Didn’t happen! History has recorded what was found and not found in Iraq and the numbers killed and wounded in that fiasco! History has recorded the strength of the economy bush started with and the economy he passed on to Obama! Not only that but the people who were affected by it have voted on it several times! THE BLAME HAS BEEN ASSESSED AND THE PENALTIES METED OUT! WE JUST HAVE TO REMIND THOSE WHO ARE STILL IN DENIAL THAT 2001-2008 DID HAPPEN AND AMERICA WAS AFFECTED!!!!
      NOW LET ME GIVE YOU A SHORT LIST OF WHAT LOCAL CONSERVATIVE LIBERTARIAN “LOGIC” HAS PRODUCED!
      FEMA CAMPS NO ONE HAS SEEN, GUNS CONFISCATED, ELECTIONS STOLEN, ELECTIONS CANCELED, DICTATORSHIPS, 1913 CONSPIRACIES NEVER PROVEN , FALSE FLASG NEVER PROVEN! THAT’S TO NAME A FEW AND I’M SURE YOU HAVE SEEN OTHER EXAMPLES OF THE “LOCAL LOGIC!”
      YOU PEOPLE SEEM TO FORGET THAT INTELLIGENT ADULT INDEPENDENTS READ THESE ALLEGATIONS THAT NEVER MATERIALIZE AND SAY “WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING?”

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Argument to ridicule and a long winded rant to boot. Here is an article about Obama bin Laden Care.

        http://www.politichicks.tv/column/obamacare-rationing-america/

        Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

        “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.”

        Samuel Adams

        • Palin16

          I ignore long winded rants, especially with Caps Lock on.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! I try also, but no cajones is so ignorant that I just can’t help but respond. Maybe I could teach him something one day. Here is a video showing Jon Stewart stunned by a guest defending conservativism.

            http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/10/krauthammer-leaves-jon-stewart-stunned-defense-conservativism/

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “I have travelled a long and weary path that I might see the young warrior of the great battle. I am come to pay homage to the man who is the particular favorite of Heaven, and who can never die in battle.”

            Indian Chief to George Washington 1770

      • Jana

        No, you have it ll wrong NC. The same illogical notions that we see happening with Obama are what is going on in our society today.

        We see a pedophile rape and kill children and he is tried and convicted and sentenced to death, yet the bleeding heart liberals cry he shouldn’t be put to death. There is no one who is nonredeemable. Therefore society in the great wisdom of Liberalism changes it’s ways and gives these child rapists and murderers a 7 year sentence so they can be back out on the street in less than 5 years only to start raping and murdering children again. We see this over and over again.

        Society demanded it. Liberal Socialism demanded it. So now we have a President who openly flaunts his inadequacies and the Liberal Socialists not only embrace it, but work hard to justify it.

        In your own words,” Godly people who know better and are not Socialists or Communist wannabe’s actually think- YOU PEOPLE SEEM TO FORGET THAT INTELLIGENT ADULT INDEPENDENTS READ THESE charges THAT NEVER MATERIALIZE AND SAY “WHAT THE ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING? Where are their minds?

        Actually we know where your minds are. Right where Satan wants them. Confused, believing lies and running down the streets of la la land.

        • NC

          jANA, I STAND BY POSITIONS THAT ADULT INDEPENDENTS ARE NOT IMPRESSED BY THE LOCAL LIBERTARIAN ALLEGATIONG OF THINGS WE BOTH KNOW HAVE NEVER OCCURRED OR BEEN PROVED!
          ANOTHER WORD FOR YOU! ADULT INDEPENDENTS AND THE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NOT IMPRESSED WHEN YOU PEOPLE THROW SATAN INTO YOUR ARGUMENTS! THAT BOOGY MAN SCARE TACTIC ON KIDS RUNS IT’S COURSE AT ABOUT AGE 13! YOU ARE GOING TO NEED SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CONCRETE THAN A FAIRY TALE TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY ARE GOING TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS!! THE DEVIL DIDN’T STEAL THEIR GIRL FRIEND! IT WAS THAT VERY REAL STUD DOWN THE SREET! GET A REAL ARGUMENT!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Argument to ridicule. Stop embarrassing yourself by showing you ignorance on this site. Satan a fairy tale? Care to prove that? You may think he is a fairy tale now, but just wait till you go to the afterlife. It’ll be too late then. The devil didn’t steal someones girlfriend? You mean Bill “Do a Lewinsky” Clinton got there first again? Here Are some videos about Obama bin Laden Care.

            http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/10/bill-maher-michael-moore-unload-obamacare-launch-big-screw/

            http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/10/megyn-kelly-grills-obamacare-architect-intense-debate-obamas-broken-promises/

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

            “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good.”

            George Washington

          • Jana

            I couldn’t have said it any better Samurai. Thank you. If it doesn’t bother him so much why does he have such a fit over it?

            Funny isn’t it how the Communist manifesto even gave Satan credit. NC is probably one of those useful idiots that Vladimar Lenin talked about.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! NC is just another dense, confused libturd/progturd that needs to be lead around by the nose. Here is an article about how the crash and deaths of Seal Team 6 was and inside job.

            http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/extortion-17-seal-team-6-families-suspect-crash-inside-job/

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “No country on earth ever had it more in its power to attain these blessings than United America…much to be regretted…would it be were we to neglect the means and to depart from the road which Providence (GOD) has pointed us to so plainly.”

            George Washington
            1788

          • Jana

            Thank you I”ll read it.

  • Bob666

    64% Think Another Shutdown Likely in Mid-January

    Wednesday, October 23, 2013

    Most voters want a long-term budget deal that cuts federal spending but expect another government shutdown soon because Congress can’t reach such a deal.

    Just 15% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a federal budget that increases spending, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Fifty-four percent (54%) prefer a budget that cuts spending instead, while 25% want one that keeps spending levels about the same.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/federal_budget/october_2013/64_think_another_shutdown_likely_in_mid_january

    For those who can’t deal with reality.

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    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      I don’t go by polls Bob, but Senator Ted Cruz said it was a possibility for another one happening. All Obama bin Laden has to do is to defund or get rid of Obama bin Laden Care and there will be no shutdown. Here are 2 articles about the fee paid to the IRS for opting out of Obama bin Laden Care.

      http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/10/24/opt_out_obamacare_penalty_can_t_be_enforced_unless_you_get_a_tax_refund

      http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/24/How-to-opt-out-of-obamacare-without-paying-the-fine

      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      “If the law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.”

      Thomas Jefferson
      Signer of the Declaration of Independence
      3rd President of the U.S.
      Orthodox Christian

      • Bob666

        that’s funny Sammy,

        It’s not like you have referenced them before?

    • Jana

      WASHINGTON, D.C. –
      Evidence has surfaced indicating the Obama
      administration was prepared to suspend all food-stamp payments beginning
      Nov. 1 in a political move to
      pressure Republicans in Congress to reopen the government and agree to continued deficit spending.

      If the Obama administration were willing to issue such a directive in
      October, will it do so again when the debate over stopping the
      government and raising the debt ceiling
      is schedule

      Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/oba… to resume in Congress in about three months?

      If Obama was willing to hurt the people to get his way that badly back then, watch out.

      • Jana

        So much for his caring. Remember its what he DOES, NOT WHAT HE SAYS. He lies.

        • Bob666

          They all Lie Jana-I know this might shock you, so make sure you are sitting down…..
          republicans lie just as much……..

          • Jana

            That is a fact! But some people don’t seem to think Obama does.

          • WTS/JAY

            Bob is one of those people, Jana.

          • Bob666

            That was just plain funny Jay, that is like saying you don’t have an open mind.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            True that! True that! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Here is an article showing how 2 muslims in the army tried kidnapping a 12 year old. I hope the court martial hangs them upside down from piano wire from their testicles.

            http://www.westernjournalism.com/2-muslim-soldiers-u-s-try-kidnapping-12-year-old-girl/

            Sheesh! It seems we have problems with them here also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “I do recommend and assign Thursday to be devoted by the people to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all good that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country.”

            George Washington
            October 3, 1789

          • KG

            I guess you never did find those Bible Verses where Jesus says good things about religious nutballs like yourself, eh?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            If this is all you can say then put a sock in it. Speaking of which, there are many places in the Bible that talks about you. If it says thou hypocrite, that is you KG. Here is an article, to get back on subject, about how Obama bin Laden is too busy raising money for Pelosi to do anything about the budget.

            http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/heatherginsberg/2013/10/26/obama-is-out-fundraising-for-nancy-pelosi-n1732028

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out comrade.

            “Lest we forget at least an over the shoulder acknowledgement to the very first radical…the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer.”

            Saul Alinsky

          • KG

            Note that these verses are directed to the religious nutballs of Jesus’ day:

            Matthew 3:7-12
            King James Version (KJV)
            7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
            8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:(…or what will save you from he77…)
            9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father(…or that we are believers…): for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham(believers).
            10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire(… can you produce the ‘fruit’ of Jesus?).
            11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
            12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

            Is your salvation dependent upon your own actions or upon the completed works of Jesus Christ?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            First, your posting of the passage is correct. Secon, you give an easy question at the end. We Christians know to get into heaven you must believe in God, do his will, live a Godly life, believe in Jesus as the Son of God, believe he came to call sinners to repentance, believe he died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins, go by his teachings, and have a personal relationship with him. Works are good, but they alone will not get you into heaven. Ergo, your ways will not get you into heaven, KG. Third, where did I mention anything about my works? Here is something that you should ponder on.

            1. Judge not, lest ye be judged.
            2. For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
            3. And why beholdeth thou the mote that is thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
            4. Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
            5. Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
            6. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

            Matthew 7:1-6

            Neeeeed to learn what this passage means. Here is something dealing with the EU and monitoring.

            http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4036/eu-intolerant-citizens

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

            “He was a firm believer in the Christian religion.”

            J. M. Sewall
            Portsmouth, N.H. 1799
            In reference to George Washington

          • KG

            You gave at least 7 things to many to do to be saved:

            Matthew 19:23-26
            King James Version (KJV)
            23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
            24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
            25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
            26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

  • Chuckb

    We don’t have a Healthcare problem, we have a people problem. There are too many people on the free list. We have too many people in the emergency rooms waiting for free health care, mostly illegal. Our health system is the best in the world as it is, The politicians have discovered a new way to control voters, The so called President is catering to the Insurance Companies and the average American is getting screwed.

    The Communist/Socialist types want free health Insurance, they think it’s free anyway and someone has convinced them the Europeans have a better method, That is a better method of getting free service, you may wait a year to get in, but, it will be free.
    Two simple change in the law, Tort Reform, would solve a lot if our problems and removing illegals would be the other,

    Looking back in time, the people that overthrew the Russian Government and caused the rise of Hitler in Germany, dragging us into WW2, are camped in the US and are in the process of destroying this society using their puppet Barry Soetoro. They are called Communist and they have a long history of destroying countries with their campaign of wealth distribution, the wealth they want to distribute is yours not theirs.

    • Bob666

      Chuck,
      “Our health system is the best in the world as it is”, -we don’t have the best, we have the most over priced.

      World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems:

      1 France——-Ranked #1 (socialized)
      2 Italy———–Ranked #2 (socialized)
      3 San Marino
      4 Andorra
      5 Malta
      6 Singapore
      7 Spain
      8 Oman
      9 Austria
      10 Japan
      11 Norway
      12 Portugal
      13 Monaco
      14 Greece
      15 Iceland
      16 Luxembourg
      17 Netherlands
      18 United Kingdom
      19 Ireland
      20 Switzerland
      21 Belgium
      22 Colombia
      23 Sweden
      24 Cyprus
      25 Germany——Ranked #25 (socialized)
      26 Saudi Arabia
      27 United Arab Emirates
      28 Israel
      29 Morocco
      30 Canada——–Ranked #30 (socialized)
      31 Finland
      32 Australia
      33 Chile
      34 Denmark
      35 Dominica
      36 Costa Rica
      37 USA———— Ranked #37
      38 Slovenia
      39 Cuba———– Ranked #39 and socialized.
      40 Brunei
      41 New Zealand
      42 Bahrain
      43 Croatia
      44 Qatar
      45 Kuwait
      46 Barbados
      47 Thailand
      48 Czech Republic
      49 Malaysia
      50 Poland
      51 Dominican Republic
      52 Tunisia
      53 Jamaica
      54 Venezuela
      55 Albania
      56 Seychelles
      57 Paraguay
      58 South Korea
      59 Senegal
      60 Philippines
      61 Mexico
      62 Slovakia
      63 Egypt
      64 Kazakhstan65 Uruguay
      66 Hungary
      67 Trinidad and Tobago

      http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Ok, so you are saying that some countries have better insurance than we do? So what? What is your point? Why did you mark ones as socialized medicine? It may be a good thing for France, Italy, Cuba, and others, but it is not the way our Christian founding fathers wanted. They wanted us to be self reliant and personally responsible when it would come to insurance. It is time for the government to stop stealing money from the producers to give to those who refuse to do so. Here are 2 articles about Obama bin Laden Care.

        http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/10/25/great-news-more-people-have-lost-health-insurance-than-enrolled-in-obamacare-n1731987

        http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/10/24/estimate-16-million-americans-will-lose-current-coverage-because-of-obamacare-n1731700

        Not so good now is it? Just get rid of it as we do not want it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        “You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        “The rights of the colonists as Christians may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testiment.”

        Samuel Adams
        Signer of the Declaration of Independence
        “Father of the American Revolution”
        Devout Christian

        • Bob666

          Sammie,

          Where in the hell did I mention the term or even imply insurance?

          International Profiles

          of Health Care Systems, 2012

          Australia, Canada, Denmark, England, France, Germany, Iceland,

          Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United States

          global healthcare rankings 2013, quality of care defined

          http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/Files/Publications/Fund%20Report/2012/Nov/1645_Squires_intl_profiles_hlt_care_systems_2012.pdf

          • organicroseski2

            Then why Bob666, do they come here to American, for operations, etc. Please Bob666, you are well versed on the web. Check out foreign news papers–local foreign news.

          • Bob666

            Then why are we outsourcing medical procedures to to central America and Asia?

            You need to broaden your source of information perhaps?

            http://www.humanosphere.org/2013/04/outsourcing-health-care-the-global-explosion-of-medical-tourism/

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Sorry Bob, but we both know that insurance is part of healthcare. Since hospitals can turn you away for not having it, but thank the Lord Elkhart General Hospital does not do that. Here is an article describing how our allies are going to the U.N. for protection from the U.S. I guess that Obama bin Laden has alienated all our staunch allies now.

            http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/10/u-s-allies-run-u-n-protection-us/

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

            George Washington

      • organicroseski2

        Do you not read different countries newspapers and medical stories? Even the U.K.’s seniors were not even getting enough water. Water, can you imagine. The nurses did not even care if the patient could reach. That is socialized med. for you Buddy. In Canada you can die before you reach the appoint that may be months away. As far as Cuba goes, they have separate hospitals for the higher status and visitors. I will not say what I heard via a caller on that one–you would not believe it.

      • Chuckb

        Bob, I’ll tell you what, If I have an illness that has serious consequence, I won’t be traveling to France or Italy , If you want to depend on the WHO and polls for your political concerns, that’s fine, however, I view these Organizations encompassed by the United Nations nothing more than world wide Communism.
        The WHO has been very wrong on many issues, There view of climate change is nothing short of ignorance and propaganda.

        We have the best Medical Care in the world and many world leaders will attest to it. Just because Socialized medicine is free doesn’t make it the best, just the opposite..

        The price of our care can be attributed to politicians of the Democratic party who refuse to vote for Tort Reform, and needless to say Barry is aiding the Insurance Companies with Obamacare, we will see large increases in all Insurance plans,

        Thank you to the Bolshevik. Socialism, Communism does not have a winning record, It has failed in almost every instance and led to a Dictatorship.

        • Bob666

          Chuck,
          You do know the cold war ended well over a decade ago?

          • Jana

            Bob, Why are you calling him Chuck? Do you see that as his name? I see his name as Janna. What is going on???

          • JeffH

            Must be DISQUS…he’s been responding to Chuckb.

          • Jana

            Maybe Disqus can’t handle such a large quantity of users.

          • Bob666

            Hell’s Bells,
            On Disqus, I might be talking to my self?

          • JeffH

            …or smart a$$ progressives?

          • Chuckb

            Sorry Bob, The cold war has now turned to a hot war. We now have the war in this country. Apparently you refuse to trace back the history. The Communist who immigrated to this country in the 20’s and 30’s from Soviet Russia and many were illegal, infiltrated the (FDR) Aministration ,Media, Education and Financial system. They are now in control , so in essence we have lost the cold war. They call themselves Progressives now.

            Their tool in most cases was the Civil Rights Bill and ridicule of people who opposed them. Movies, Radio and newspapers were their weapon until people like Rush Limbaugh came along.
            Most of these people were Jewish, so the term of anti semitic was used to their advantage, they cowed the public down and politicians cowered to keep from being labeled.
            They used the blacks like pawns and most were ignorant to what was happening. Over the years the blacks have gained little except for more life propagation than society could handle and most are on welfare, thanks to Johnson and the Great Society.
            Legislation.
            The Jews have a history of destroying themselves with their politics and the Governments they controlled.
            Not defending Hitler, The Communist were the reason Hitler was so successful in taking over Germany and now they are doing the same here.
            I strongly support Netyahu’s Government’s fight with the Muslims, however, he has his problem with the Communist in Israel. I don’t want this country run by Communist Jews.They have full control over Barry and this may be their demise if enough people wake up.

          • Bob666

            Wow Chuck,

            “The Jews have a history of destroying themselves with their politics and the Governments they controlled.

            I have not heard comments like that since David Duke in the 1970’s.

            “Not defending Hitler, The Communist were the reason Hitler was so successful in taking over Germany”

            I would agree with you on that statement. People like Henry Ford supported Hitler for the very same reasons that you are discussing.

            ‘I strongly support Netyahu’s Government’s fight with the Muslims, however, he has his problem with the Communist in Israel. I don’t want this country run by Communist Jews’.

            I don’t see that happening.

            “They have full control over Barry and this may be their demise if enough people wake up”.

            I could not disagree with you more, Barry is out of control, but “Communist Jews” have no more more control over Obama than Russian Communist had influence or control over Ho Chi Minh.

            You give Obama far more credit for Organized mayhem than he deserves.

          • Chuckb

            Bob says,I could not disagree with you more, Barry is out of control, but
            “Communist Jews” have no more more control over Obama than Russian
            Communist had influence or control over Ho Chi Minh.

            I don’t understand that one. Are you saying the Democratic party has no control of the Communist running the White House? If that is right, I agree. The only problem there is the Democratic party is run by the Communist Jews. Soros, Lewis, for a couple.

            You may call them Progressives, I call them for what they are. Obama is not the braintrust most people have been conned in thinking, I would say he’s not stupid, but, a long way from being an intellectual. In my mind He does not make any decisions on his own, when he does it usually turns out to be a lie or wrong,

            As for your David Duke remark, as I told you earlier, I have made my opinions on my own investigations and that one was made long before David Duke came on the scene, And as for Duke, the guy is very intelligent and I agree with him on much of what he says, i disagree with him on his Palestinian views..

            “You give Obama far more credit for Organized mayhem than he deserves”

            .You are right on that comment, The mayhem should be charged to Axelrod, Jarret and others in his Cabinet, the guy hasn’t got a clue on most things, he is nothing but, a mouthpiece and Campaigner.

            “To set the record straight, I do not consider all jews to be Communist, it just happens that most Jews are Socialistic minded, yet, there are still many who are patriotIc Conservative Americans.One of favorites is Mark Levin.

          • rick0857

            Is that “The Polls Say” Bob? The Zogby of of blog comments Bob?

          • Bob666

            No Rick,
            Observations of 71 years and growing up during the Cold War in four different countries in Europe.

      • rick0857

        The W.H.O. is run by the UN, do you really believe anything they say? If you think that France has the best health care in the world then denounce your citizenship and move your happy a$$ to France and become a FROG.
        That’s like saying that the UN is the best peace keeping force on Earth? Ha remember: Bosnia, The Baltic’s, Somalia, or Uganda or any number of places the so-called Peace Keepers have been sent? What you get, and by the way, the only thing you get from the UN, is massive fraud. waste and abuse of money, power and arms. All while lining the pockets of a select few Communists in that organization. The W.H.O. BS The W.H.O.

        • Bob666

          Sorry Rick,
          Thirteen generations here in the Good old US of A. But you are welcomed to leave if you find a problem with the first amendment.

          • rick0857

            Me…leave America…I’ve been shot at in anger for this Country! No I’m not going anywhere.

          • Bob666

            Well good for you, so you understand that you have NO right or privilege to tell anyone to leave!

            Boy I love the first amendment!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Wrong, wrong, wrong! He has that God-given right to tell someone to leave, but the person in question does not have to comply. The God-given rights, as are written in the 1st Amendment, go both ways Bob, not just your way. Here is an article about freedom.

            http://www.patriotupdate.com/articles/reflections-freedom/

            Ergo, you have no right to tell him not to say anything. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “As to my sentiments with respect to the merits of the new Constitution…It appears to me…little short of a miracle that delegates from so many different states…should unite in forming a system of national government so little liable to well founded onjections.”

            George Washington

          • Bob666

            Well Sammy,

            “Wrong, wrong, wrong! He has that God-given right to tell someone to leave, but the person in question does not have to comply”.
            No Kidding-never would have thought that?

            “The God-given rights, as are written in the 1st Amendment, go both ways Bob, not just your way”.

            That part your are correct on and I never -ever have implied as such. You have told me to leave on numerous occasions and yet I am still here?

            Bottom line is; You and Others don’t have the right of unrealistic expectations-so why bother, but it is your waste of breath and effort.

          • rick0857

            I think you love to ABUSE the first amendment more so than the intent and purpose of the amendment.

          • Bob666

            Oh Rickey,

            “If you think that France has the best health care in the world then denounce your citizenship and move your happy a$$ to France and become a FROG”.

            …………………….verses

            “But you are welcomed to leave if you find a problem with the first amendment”.

            “I think you love to ABUSE the first amendment more?

            Yea Rick, what ever you say buddy!

          • rick0857

            Do you have a POLL to back that up Bob Zogby?

          • Bob666

            Don’t need one Rickey, 71 years and running one of the largest engineering firms in the southeast has trained me to see BS before I step into it.

    • Susan

      You hit it head on! There is a “hidden agenda” for the progressives – a/k/a Communists. Before you support any group, or any person – research the hell out of it to make sure we are not supporting/electing another progressive to a place of power over the people.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        True that! True that! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Here is an article about a personal campaign of Obama bin Laden.

        http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/carolplattiebau/2013/10/25/the-white-house-smear-strategy-n1731989

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        “Let…statesmen and patriots unite their endeavors to renovate the age by educating their little boys and girls and leading them in the study and practice in the exalted virtues of the Christian system.”

        Samuel Adams

        • Susan

          Here’s some information on the progressive agenda. Please share:

          We must fight against “bondage” (Obama). Go to http://www.conventionofstates.com and learn how you can help your state legislators fight to take
          the power away from DC and bring it back to the states (as the Constitution was designed).

          You want to see where America is headed? Watch this YouTube video at http://vimeo.com/63749370 . It will open your eyes to the 50 year progression of the USA towards communism. We must stop it! It is our only means of protecting the Constitution and our freedom!

          Journalism is being censored. Please watch Amber Lyons – she was laid off from CNN and told she would not receive her severance pay or continued health
          insurance coverage if she didn’t “shut up”. Watch out America! We are being fed propaganda by the news
          networks.

          Watch the entire video and don’t pay attention to Alex Jones
          – but LISTEN to Amber Lyons and what she is saying…..

          http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/cnn-exposed-emmy-winning-former-cnn-journalist-blows-the-whistle-cnn-is-paid-by-foreign-and-domestic-government-agencies-for-specific-content

          • Don 2

            Susan,
            I just finished watching the vimeo.com movie “AGENDA: Grinding America Down.” It was worth every minute….a must watch film that puts the pieces together why America has been falling apart.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I have also finished watching the movie also. It is amazing what they want to do to our Christian nation. We need to get God, Jesus, and all patriots to come together and fight these forces. Here is an article describing how an NSA Spymaster wants to get rid of the 1st Amendment.

            http://www.politicaloutcast.com/2013/10/nsa-spymaster-need-way-violate-first-amendment/

            What else is new? Sheesh! One day, if I take my wife to a restaurant, I may use their toilet and the person sitting in the stall next to mine will be a spy. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness – these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens.”

            George Washington
            Farewell Address 1796

          • Jana

            My husband watched the movie and was so impressed. I started and my computer wouldn’t let me so I am ordering it. This is going to make great Christmas presents. I did watch the first 30 minutes and WOW!!!

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Argument to ridicule and nothing but a long winded, unfounded rant. Sheesh! Don’t you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself? I’ll bet your mom is waiting for you to come homw so she can whomp your backside. Hitlery for president? Not going to happen. She has too much baggage. Biden says he is running, that will keep Hitlery from being nominated. But ol’ Joe “Jelly Beans” Biden won’t make it either. He even lost to Sarah Palin at the VP debates in 2008. If you want a winning combination, vote for Cruz as president and Palin as VP. Now there is a winning combination. Here is an article about Hitler blasting Obama bin Laden Care. It’s very funny.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/now-hitler-laments-obamacare-failure/

    FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

    “Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee whom the Lord thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.”

    Deuteronomy 17:15
    Basis for Article II, Section I
    President must be a natural born citizen
    U.S. Constitution
    *I guess this would mean that Obama bin Laden cannot be set over us. Even God says so.

    • http://www.thefreedomtrainusa.com/ FreedomTrainUSA

      It seems that these Liberals never get tired of posting their Seff Righteous TOTALLY EMPTY RANTS…..over and over and over…..All they do is recoat it with a new cover of BULLS**T….And think that they have come up with some new dymanic Revelation…..But once it is exposed the same STENCH COMES TO THE SURFACE….

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    It’s a great day the Lord has given us today. Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. No quarter! I see that there are already libturd and progturd logs roasting on the fire. I love that bacon smell first thing in the morning (socialist and communist pigs). Here is an article about the anti NSA rally in Washington, D.C. Notice on the video people are thanking Snowden for his information.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/26/nsa-dc-rally/3241417/

    Looks like Snowden has really thrown a monkey wrench into the NSA and Obama bin Laden’s unconstitutional efforts. I wish the best for that fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    “The Judiciary has no influence over either the sword or the purse; no direction either of the strength or the wealth of the society; and can take no active resolution whatever. It may truly be said to have neither force nor will. The Judiciary is beyond comparison, the weakest of the three departments of power. The general liberty of the people can never be endangered from that quarter.”

    Federalist 78

    • Sarah417

      Samurai, your words are inspirational keep up the good work. God loves a warrior. Move over to some liberal sites and give them a dose of reality. Someone needs to wake them up.

      • Jana

        With all of the liberals coming on this site we need him here too. :)

        • Sarah417

          He’ll have to spread himself around. Everyone needs a warrior.

          • Name

            Obama and the Democrats have been lying tooth and nail to the people. Obama doesn’t want to coe clean about Obamacare cause he knows what a train wreck it is. if it was that good he would let the American people know just how many enrolled and to be honest Obama is a Muslim and shouldn’t even be President.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. No quarter! Thank you and Sarah417 for those compliments. I shall continue the good fight here and wherever I am needed. Sometimes a warrior, or Samurai, are spread thin. This usually results in loss of hair and increased stress levels. But alas! I can take it. Here is an article about impeachment messages from Hollywood. It seems they have had enough of Obama bin Laden also.

          http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/echoes-of-impeachment-in-nsa-scandal/

          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

          “The blessing and protection of Heaven are at all times necessary but especially so in times of public distress and danger. The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavor to live and act as becomes a Christian soldier, defending the dearest rights and liberties of his country.”

          George Washington

      • janna

        “God” loves a warrior
        you betcha,he does
        just read the “Good Book” it’s loaded with ethnic cleansing
        for “God”so loved the world etc,etc,etc John 3:16
        I guess he now only loves extreme far rightwingers
        who care not for their fellow men,
        only taxcuts,guns and education ala madrassas
        your’s truly,as Samurai calls us lib & progturds
        Janna the atheist

        • rick0857

          No…the Madras’s (if you’re going to use at least spell it correctly) as you call them would fall under the heading of libturd agencies or propaganda wings much like MSDNC or is MSLSD whatever, they, along with ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and CNBC all sing the same tune as you verbatim. Oh and I don’t think there’s much ethnic cleansing in the Bible. A lot of War but that whole ethnic thing is reserved for democrats. You know the party of Jim Crow and The KKK and segregation and equal but separate.

          • janna

            Rick
            you’re right, we’re both wrong
            it is MADRASA
            but if you don’t think the Israelite’s takeover of Canaan is not ethnic cleansing,I don’t know what is

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            It wasn’t ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is when you wipe out a people due to race, nationality, or group. The Lord God said to do that because they worshipped false gods and did non inherit the land. They merely occupied it. If you read your Bible, you’ll see that not all fo them were wiped out. The Philistines come to mind. Neeeeed to study a little more and then you may be correct in your assumptions. Here are 2 articles about the 2 people we should have on a ticket in 2016.

            http://www.thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/330783cruz-rails-against-obamacare-website-announces-effort-to-build-grassroots-army

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/25/CNN-Palin-s-Influence-Far-from-Diminishing

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

            “My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism.”

            Karl Marx

          • janna

            samurai
            ” It wasn’t ethnic cleansing.Ethnic cleansing is when you wipe out a people due to race,nationality,or group”
            what then exactly were those that were wiped out by the Israelites ???
            I guess by your way of thinking the natives in North America also did not inherit the continent
            hence our justified takeover
            I assume blessed by your “God”
            my not singing from the same psalm book
            I guess I’ll have to look over my shoulders not knowing the latest instructions from up above
            welterusten meneer de samurai

          • Jana

            In the first place janna sir, the ONE who wiped out the different peoples was NOT the Israelites, it was GOD. Many times God caused these people to turn on themselves. Why? Because they were coming against the Israelites. Oh but you so conveniently leave that part out.
            Why is this important? Because this is the heritage which Christ was to come through, and God protected it.
            Lets just look at one example.
            Judg 6:3-6

            3 And so it was, when Israel had sown, that the Midianites came up, and the Amalekites, and the children of the east; they came up against them;

            4 and they encamped against them, and destroyed the increase of the earth, till thou come unto Gaza, and left no sustenance in Israel, neither sheep, nor ox, nor ass.

            5 For they came up with their cattle and their tents; they came in as locusts for multitude; both they and their camels were without number: and they came into the land to destroy it.

            6 And Israel was brought very low because of Midian; and the children of Israel cried unto Jehovah.

            God called on a man named Gideon to lead the way to defeat the Midianites.
            This is really very interesting as Gideon started out with a vast army to go up against what the Bible called the Midianites
            Judg 6:5
            they came in as locusts for multitude; both they and their camels were without number: and they came into the land to destroy it.

            However God kept telling Gideon to dismiss his men till he had only 300 men left. WHY WOULD GOD DO THAT? Because God was going to show Gideon and the Israelites that He was their God and their protector.

            Judg 7:9

            9 And it came to pass the same night, that Jehovah said unto him, Arise, get thee down into the camp; for I have delivered it into thy hand.

            This is a very brief telling of this piece of history.
            Nations have been trying to wipe out Israel for a long time. Israel is God’s chosen people.
            Not because they are worthy, not because they are better than anyone else, and not because they are so sweet, but because they are the ones that the seed line of Christ came through.
            Since you are an atheist this may mean nothing to you, but at least you know why it does mean something to the rest of us.

          • JANNA

            samurai
            I can accept the fact that you are a believer
            but you can’t accept atheists
            but believers as wel as non believers can be PATRIOTS
            you seem to have a total contempt and disregard for people other then your own little clique
            lets NOT try to create a THEOCRACY
            lets keep in mind the freedom you say is what the people want
            PS not to mislead
            I live with pride in Socialized Canukistan
            a Country full of Libturds & Progturds
            MALE,OLD & UGLY JANNA

          • Jana

            Excuse me, I have no qualms with what ever you choose to believe for that is totally up to you. However when you choose to make an issue of something such as you did in your post to Samurai at the very beginning then it seems like you want to fight about it.————-

            “God” loves a warrior
            you betcha,he does
            just read the “Good Book” it’s loaded with ethnic cleansing
            for “God”so loved the world etc,etc,etc John 3:16
            I guess he now only loves extreme far rightwingers
            who care not for their fellow men,
            only taxcuts,guns and education ala madrassas
            your’s truly,as Samurai calls us lib & progturds
            Janna the atheist————-

            There have been atheists on this site that we all have gotten along with just fine. We don’t mock them, and they don’t mock us. We respect each others beliefs.
            But if you want to know about the Bible, I HAVE studied the Bible and I WILL tell you what it says. You will not get away with distorting the truth. So the question is can you accept Christians?

          • janna

            Jana
            I know all I need to know about the bible
            most of all post on this site imply
            If your not for “God” you must against America
            I seemed to have touched a nerve

          • Jana

            You have touched no nerve with me, you have only touched one with yourself. If you want to play rough, we can play tit for tat.!!! IT IS YOUR CHOICE.

            I will reiterate: There have been atheists on this site that we all have gotten along with
            just fine. We don’t mock them, and they don’t mock us. We respect each
            others beliefs.
            But if you want to know about the Bible, I HAVE
            studied the Bible and I WILL tell you what it says. You will not get
            away with distorting the truth. So the question is CAN YOU ACCEPT CHRISTIANS?????

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Theocracy? Old argument to ridicule on this iste. I’ll tell you the truth, that if our Christian founding fathers wanted a theocracy, they could have had one. The population of the U.S. at that time was 99.98% Christian, so they could have easily had one, but that is not what they wanted. What makes us a Christian nation is:

            1. Founded on Christian principles.
            2. Biblical law taken directly from the Old and New Testiment.
            3. Our laws based on the 10 Commandments.
            4. A deep, rich beliefe in nature and nature’s God.
            5. Christianity has done more for America than anything else.

            These are why we are a Christian nation. No theocracy there. Neeeeed to study more. You asked if I can accept atheists in this country? Yes, I can. Dave H is a good example. He don’t say negative things about my faith and I don’t say negative things about his. He is also a patriot that believes in going by the Constitution and not the ways of progressivism (communism). If you do not attack my faith, I’ll not attack yours. OK? This means no lying about God, Jesus, the Bible, and Christianity. Stick to the subject at hand and everything will be OK. You never know, we may be able to agree on some things. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden Care.

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/27/Report-Over-Half-a-Million-Californians-to-Lose-Insurance-Under-Obamacare

            http://www.thehill.com/video/sunday-shows/330803-sebelius-the-laughing-stock-of-america-says-gop-sen-

            This is supposed to be a good program? Nothing but a socialist idea that will lead us to communism. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “Would to heaven we had a navy able to reform those enemies to mankind – or crush them into non-existence.”

            George Washington
            In reference to the Muslims of North Africa

          • janna

            samurai
            and yet every one of your posts include the line
            YOU NEED BOTH LOVE OF COUNTRY AND FAITH IN GOD TO BE A PATRIOT
            how do all the atheists supposed to feel about that statement
            PS a tat touchy are we

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            I’ve never had problems with any atheists that proved they were patriots, like Dave H, so why should this offend you? Don’t be so sensitive. As long as what I’m saying is a God-given right, written in the 1st Amendment, and is not illegal, immoral, or unethical, I do not have to change my opinion. Looks like you, not I, are the one that is touchy. If you don’t like that sentence I write on my posts, then just don’t read it. Skip over it. Keep up with the little things and we never agree on anything. Here is an article about how traditional marriage and abortion affect the economy.

            http://www.townhall.com/columnists/starparker/2013/10/28/marriage-and-abortion-are-economic-issues-n1731978/page/full

            No libturd/progturd nonsense, stronger economy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “He was a sincere believer in the Christian faith.”

            SCOTUS Chief Justice John Marshall
            In reference to George Washington

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            True that! True that! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Don’t expect Janna to understand for she is lost in darkness. Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden.

            http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/10/25/206552/worlds-anger-at-obamas-policies.html

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/27/obama-knew-nsa-spying-on-merkel-and-approved-it-report-says-944692234/

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “The Smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a Nation that disregards the eternal rules of Order and Right, in which Heaven itself Ordained.”

            George Washington

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Argument to ridicule. If you don’t think muslims killing Christians in Egypt and Syria isn’t ethnic cleansing, I don’t know what is. Here is something about how Obama bin Laden is raising tax revenues.

            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/13027/obamacare-obamas-way-raising-tax-revenue-without-raising-taxes/

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

            “You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention.”

            George Washington

            *BTW, try to respond in English and not some unknown language. 무신론자는 사탄의 자식들이다!

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Argument to ridicule and lies, lies, lies! Be careful talking like that or you’ll get buried alive on this site. If you don’t like it here in this Christian nation, then you are free to leave at any time you wish. I’ll even hold the door open for you. Like it says in Psalms:

          “The fool hath said there is no God within his own heart.”

          Psalms 14:1
          Psalms 53:1

          You really fit what King David said. Here is an article showing what your ilk did to a reporter, with no search and siezure warrant. Violated the person’s God-given rights under the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments.

          http://www.dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/exclusive-feds-confiscate-investigative-reporters-confidential-files-during-raid/

          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          “I now make it my earnest prayer that God would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of the mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion.”

          George Washington
          Signer of the Constitution
          Commander of the Continental Armies
          “Father of our country”
          1st President of the U.S.
          Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Sammy,

            “Be careful talking like that or you’ll get buried alive on this site”.

            Shall we discuss the first amendment Sammy and the concept of being a bully?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            First, all I was saying Bob is that if she wishes to lie about the Bible, she will be met with stiff resistance from bloggers on this site. Not just myself either. Second, the God-given rights, written in the 1st Amendment, does not say we can say anything we want, but it does say that we can freely speak with any form of government control. There are laws on the books about what you cannot say like, inciting a riot, many against lying, sedition, fire in a crowded theater, etc., but these are the exceptions. Being a bully? You show me where I said she cannot post here. You show me where I said she can’t say something on this site. I did not. Neeeeed to study our Constitution a bit more Bob. There are no broad, general statements about doing or saying anything you want. Each Amendment clearly states what the rights are and make no bald assertions. Here is an article showing how the welfare state is bigger than the full time workforce.

            http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-means-tested-govt-benefit-recipients-outnumber-full

            Also Bob, what she has the God-given right to say, I have the same God-given right to tell her what I said. Aren’t these God-given right great? No one way street Bob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “The hand of Providence (GOD) has been so conspicuous in all this that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations.”

            George Washington

          • Motov

            I would say freedoms does NOT relieve you from being responsible for what you say or do.
            We have great freedoms and we also cannot abuse them. It is that simple.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            True that! True that! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Here is an article about how bad Obama bin Laden’s people can get.

            http://www.westernjournalism.com/cnn-anchor-obamas-people-can-nasty/

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

            “It is impossible to rightly rule the world without God and the Bible.”

            George Washington

          • janna

            samurai
            exactly where am I lying in my last post
            at best I might have misinterpreted the conquest of Canaan ( I don’t think so )
            although you might believe it to be a Christian Nation
            IT IS NOT
            and yes,I will be buried on this site
            the extreme far rightwingers vastly outnumber the sane
            but in the real world ( outside the bubble that is )
            the Lib & Progturd’s are way,way ahead
            hence the election’s of yore
            don’t forget if it was not for Gerrymandering congressional district’s
            ,the Lib & Progturd’s would have won the house as wel
            welterusten meneer de Samurai

          • janna

            samurai
            I forgot
            it is HE not SHE

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Gerrymandering was done by the libturds and progturds across the South to affect the votes of Negroes. Neeeeed to read our history more. Libturds and progturds sane? Ha, ha, ha, ha! Thanks for the laugh. Why don’t you read Saul Alinsky and find out how your ilk are these days. You would like that book since he gives a dedication to satan. We are a Christian nation, but not in the way you are thinking. We are a Christian nation for we were founded on Christian principles, Biblical laws taken directly from the Old and New Testiments, our laws based on the 10 Commandments, and a deep, rich belief in nature and nature’s God. Just look at our founding documents,letters and speeches from our founding fathers, their journals, proclamations for prayer, fasting, and thanksgiving, etc., then you will understand what I am saying. Here is an article about our country and its food stamp problem.

            http://www.thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/agriculture/330727-nation-headed-over-food-stamp-cliff

            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

            “Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”

            Vladimir Putin

          • janna

            “Gerrymandering was done by the libturds and progturds
            across the South to effect the votes of Negroes”
            that’s us all right.manipulating the districts so that the people that would vote for the libturds and progturds
            can’t vote for the libturds and progturds
            hence the tea party wins
            WOW talking about a Bubble
            WELTERUSTEN MENEER DE SAMURAI

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            This was done way before there was ever a Tea Party, so you end up losing again. Here is an article about Obama bin Laden and his stormtrooper tactics.

            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/13035/obama-gestapo-raids-reporters-home-takes-notes/

            This is the way of you and your ilk. I guess they learned from Hitler, Stalin, and Saul Alinsky. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

            “I am a communist, but not a member of the communist party. Stalin is a first rate Fabian. I am one of the founders of Fabianism, and as such very friendly to Russia.”

            George Bernard Shaw
            Evening Herald – Dublin
            February 3, 1948

          • S.C.Murf

            TIME to make that popping sound janna

            up the hill
            airborne

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! I wouldn’t mind doing that, but I only have time for this site. If I did do that, they would probably can me for telling the truth. If you know any sites, I’ll visit them and see what I can do. Here is an article about the people Obama bin Laden choose to support over Americans.

        http://www.eaglerising.com/2476/islam-thousand-years-violence/

        It all started with that thief, murderer, and pedophile Muhammad. Since then, more than 270 million people have died at the hands of this false faith. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        “I have one great political idea…The best expression of it I have found in the Bible. It is in substance, ‘Righteouness exalteth a nation; sin is a reproach to any people.'”

        Frederick Douglass
        October 14, 1852

    • Palin16

      Good morning samurai. Do you like my new avatar? It’s actually me with my Halloween mask.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Ha, ha, ha, ha! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Here are 2 articles. The 1st one is about Obama bin Laden Care. The 2nd one is about Obama bin Laden and not having adequate knowledge for the job.

        http://www.eaglerising.com/2503/obamacare-massively-unsuccessful/

        http://www.eaglerising.com/2502/barack-obama-man-knew-little/

        The second one we already knew, but too bad the low information voters did not. Now we are stuck with him and the curses he has brought upon us. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        “…that the peaceful and glorious reign of our Divine Redeemer may be known and enjoyed throughout the whole family of mankind.”

        Samuel Adams
        Proclamation for Fasting and Prayer
        1795

  • Susan

    The blame on the GOP is because that’s what our “government run mainstream media” wants you to think. The progressives (a/k/a/ Communists) are trying to take control of Hollywood, media, education, and right now have 20% of Congress and the highest office of the nation! Don’t blink people – thoroughly investigate who you vote for, what organizations you support. George Soros (big time progressive) is backing Hillary Clinton – hmmmmm….. more of the same for America? THINK NOT! We cannot sustain freedom under these “PROGRESSIVES”. I don’t care who you vote for, but do NOT vote for PROGRESSIVES – they are taking America down!

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Well said and keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Not only should we not vote for progressives, we shouldn’t elect people that support Islams way of life (the opposite of ours in many ways) or says it is OK to kill Christians. Here are 2 articles about this.

      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/obama-reaches-islamic-culture-strangling-america/

      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/attacks-on-christians-america-grow-islam-gets-special-protection/

      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      “Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country.”

      Samuel Adams
      April 2, 1781

    • NC

      SUSAN, “GEORGE SOROS (BIG TIME PROGRESSIVE) I BACKING HILLARY CLINTON,HMMMMM”
      “WE CANNOT SUSTAIN FREEDOM UNDER THESE PROGRESSIVES”
      YOUR WORDS!!!
      DOES THE NAME RUPERT MURDOCH RING A BELL? OWNER OF THE CONSERVATVE FOX NEWS AND WALL STREET JOURNAL!! A MAJOR CONSERVATIVE BOTH HERE AND IN AUSTRALIA ! NOT EXACTLY PROGRESSIVE MAIN STREET MEDIA!!!!!!
      HE HELD FUND RAISERS FOR HILLARY
      HILLARY WHEN SHE RAN FOR THE SENATE IN NEW YORK !! HIS DAUGHTER IN LONDON HELD FUND RAISER FOR OBAMA WHEN HE RAN FOR THE SENATE!!
      WHAT IS SOROS DOING THAT THE RUPERTS DIDN’T??

      • Jana

        Rupert Murdoch is absolutely no better than Soros!

        And, NC I didn’t have to shout it.

        • Jana

          I stand corrected. Thank you Samurai. Rupert Murdoch is better than Soros. At least he isn’t a Nazi.!!!!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            You’re welcome. It pays to be a historian at times. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      • Jana

        NC, do you have problems with your eyes? Is that why you type in caps?

      • Don 2

        Are you kidding, Soros was a former NAZI collaborator scumbag.

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Soros lead people into and cleaned up afterwards the “showers” at a concentration camp. Where the heck is your head at? Are you an ostrich? Do you have your head buried somewhere warm and moist? Here are 2 articles about the people Obama bin Laden support and Saul Alinskyites.

        http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/homosexual-agenda-horrors-19-year-old-lose-virginity-live-gay-sex-art-exhibit/

        http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/saul-alinskys-nots-become-haves/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

        “No people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand which conducts the affairs of men more than the people of the United States.”

        George Washington

  • organicroseski2

    Alex, Jesus was not for big government. Remember the Romans? He was for individuals helping. Also, do you know the saying, that it is better to teach a fellow to fish than just give fish? (It is not the exact quote, but the idea.) I have no idea why you want your kids or grand kids or nieces and nephews to exist under Marxist or Totalitarian rule. Unless _______.

  • WTS/JAY

    Distort! Obama administration defines Obamacare ‘application’ numbers to mean people who haven’t enrolled or even picked a plan

    Yesterday Reuters reported that 700,000 Americans had applied for health insurance through Obamacare websites, including Healthcare.gov. Huh?

    Everybody knows the Healthcare.gov website barely even functions. Some of the state exchanges are working, but participation in those has been dismal. Where is the 700,000 figure coming from?

    Today I noticed Reuters had pulled the story from its health news section and buried it. The story has also been modified and now includes this little gem of an explanation:

    Completed applications mean that the applicants received a determination about whether they are eligible for tax credits… Applicants have not necessarily chosen a plan.

    Hilarious.

    “Applications” redefined by Obama to mean whatever he wants it to meanBlogger Bob Laszewski explains it even better:

    [“Applications” means] people who have only started the shopping process by signing up at the federal website and inquiring about what their subsidy is. That number is not the number of people who have actually gone on to buy insurance. So, for the Obama administration, and these states, an application apparently means an application to go shopping.

    So, according to the Obama administration, a person who has “applied” for health care includes people who haven’t really applied for health care. This 700,000 number is probably just the number of people who have registered their email addresses on government exchange websites.

    The 700,000 claim is, as usual, another huge whopper of a lie from an administration that’s drowning in desperation and suffering a credibility meltdown. Obama and his minions are grasping at any number they can find, then simply labeling it “applications” or “enrollment.”

    Far more Americans have LOST health insurance than have enrolledThe real story on Obamacare is beyond disastrous. It is apocalyptic for the U.S. economy and its citizens. Even Forbes.com wrote today that “More Americans In 3 States Have Had Their Insurance Canceled Under ObamaCare Than Have Filed An Exchange Account In All 50.”

    “Over 500,000 individuals have seen their insurance policies cancelled in just 3 states. In all 50 states, only 476,000 applications have been ‘filed’ in an exchange. (Even though we are still learning the true definition of ‘filed.’)” writes Josh Archambault.

    He happens to be correct… and maybe even too conservative on the numbers. It turns out that over 1 million Americans are losing their health insurance due to Obamacare, while only a few thousand have actually completed the process of purchase health insurance.

    By my rough estimates, the ratio of people losing health insurance vs. those buying it through Obamacare is currently running about 10 to 1. But the White House, totally lost in delusional la-la land, is implying that 700,000 people have purchased insurance while nobody has lost insurance. This is, of course, a con job, as only a few thousand people have actually acquired real insurance through the Obamacare system. And most of those were Medicare recipients who were auto-enrolled by states.

    The actual number of Americans who have individually enrolled in Obamacare and weren’t simply “bulk enrolled” via Medicare appears to be something in the low thousands only. More than 82,000 of the early enrollees in Obamacare were Medicaid recipients who were auto-enrolled.

    Thus, the active, consenting participation in Obamacare appears to be barely above zero. No wonder the government has to put a gun to our heads to buy this crap…

    http://www.naturalnews.com/042665_Obamacare_applications_enrollment_distortion.html##ixzz2ivsBeTTK

    • rick0857

      That figure is a combination of the people who surrendered all of their personal information to obamacare whether they bought a policy or not. Combined with all of the people who signed up for State run exchanges and also includes all of the people obamacare has put on the welfare rolls, by letting them know that they are eligible for medicaid…so yeah the majority of the people going to obamacare are newly minted WELFARE RECIPIENTS.

  • Sarah417

    Cannot remember where I read it, but it stated that 33 states refused the state exchanges and therefore the federal government would be financially responsible for all those signing up for Obamacare. thus stated, the federal government cannot afford all these applicants so it will bankrupt itself. Does anyone know about this?

  • Chuckb

    Remember Chief Justice Roberts. This is the man that had the power to stop this costly mess and for what ever reason didn’t.
    If we ever needed to Impeach a member of the Supreme Court this man should be on top of the list.

    Look at what his decision has cost this country, every man, woman and child will pay for his political correctness. Those that pay for healthcare will pay more, the welfare recipients will get less, although they don’t understand anything except their care will be free, just the opposite they will pay by having less quality care and a much longer wait getting it.
    Barry doesn’t understand what’s going on, it’s just another political win for him,and why should he worry, He and his cronies, all politicians, Fed workers will not see a change, however, the rest of us will be faced with second rate care just like the rest of the Socialized world.
    “Thank You Chief Justice Roberts”

    • rick0857

      We can’t impeach Roberts as long as the Supreme Ayatollah is in the Spite House.

    • NC

      CHUCK, THERE WERE AT LEAST 4 OTHER JUSTICES (EXPERTS) WHO THOUGHT IT WAS “CONSTITUTIONAL”!! JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T LIKE IT EVIDENTLY DOES NOT MAKE IT UNCONSTITUTIONAL! SOMETHING TELLS ME THEY MAY KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION THAN YOU DO! I KNOW THAT’S HARD FOR YOU TO BELIEVE BUT IT SEEMS TO HAVE SOME VALIDITY!
      BETTER LUCK WITH BEING PERFECT IN THE NEXT LIFE!

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        Rant, rant, rant. The 4 that found it to be constitutional were going by party lines and are no experts. You say just because you don’t like it? I hate to tell you that a vast majority of Americans do not want it either. Some of the Americans that did want it, once they saw it would raise the cost of their current premiums and was more expensive than their current insurance, they have joined our side in this fight. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. Here is an article about Obama bin Laden Care and how Sarah Palin was right.

        http://www.consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2013/10/slate-admits-sarah-palin-was-right-about-death-panels.html

        Looks like Sarah Palin is smarter than you. Enjoy your give me, unamerican lifestyle. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

        “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”

        Samuel Adams
        Letter to Thomas Jefferson
        June 28, 1813

      • Chuckb

        NC/ Apparently you didn’t read the small print. Roberts didn’t rule the mandate as constitutional , it was legal as a tax collection.
        This was reaching and Roberts sold us out plain and clear. However, the Bolsheviks see this as a victory and many Progressive writers worship Roberts and the Four dwarfs for his decision

        This isn’t over yet, so don’t start waving the hammer and sickle flag too high.

      • Robert Messmer

        Since four of the Justices thought it was unconstitutional, not really too far off though is he?

  • Palin16

    Liberal Logic 101 (cont’d):
    Q.why has the Obamacare rollout been such a disaster?
    A. It’s Bush’s fault!

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      D’oh! :-) :-) :-) Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. No quarter! Isn’t it amazing how they blame Bush, when the site was set up by a company owned by a friend of Michelle bin Laden? Birds of a feather crash and burn together. I thought I smelled bacon frying on an open fire. Here is an article about the common libturd comparing the Tea Party with the KKK. How can he do that when the KKK was founded by democrats and continue to go by the ways democrats based their founding on?

      http://www.abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/florida-congressman-compares-tea-party-to-ku-klux-klan/

      There must something wrong with this man’s head. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      “And it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again, that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace.”

      Samuel Adams
      Proclamation of a Day of Fasting
      March 20, 1797

  • http://batman-news.com samurai

    Its baeutiful night in the neighborhood, a beautiful night in the neighborhood, could you be mine? Won’t you be mine? Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. No quarter! Here are some articles about Obama bin Laden Care and abortion.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/24/michigan-must-fight-to-opt-out-of-paying-for-abortions/

    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/24/are-you-subsidizing-abortion-coverage-under-obamacare/

    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/25/your-tax-dollars-will-fund-abortions-and-planned-parenthood-under-obamacare-hers-how/

    Here is some good news from the infanticide front.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/24/obamas-abortion-pill-mandate-is-currently-losing-in-court-32-5/

    Let’s hope Obama bin Laden keeps losing. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

    You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

    “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”

    George Washington