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Mr. President: Stop Appeasing Islam!

January 11, 2012 by  

Mr. President: Stop Appeasing Islam!

Brace yourself for at least another year of President Barack Obama selling out America’s interests to Islam, regardless of the economic or social consequences.

An open letter to Obama:

Dear Mr. President,

It is time for you to stop sucking up to Islamic nations and the grand ambitions of Islam. After three years in the Oval Office, you should have realized one very important lesson: appeasing Islam only weakens America. Millions of Muslims hate our guts, and no amount of foreign aid or good will is going to change that fact.

It is my most sincere hope that when the next President takes office in 12 months, you will begin to see the error of your ways.

A citizen with deep concerns,

–John Myers

America’s Faustian Deal

Obama is hardly the first President to try to appease the Islamic world. A policy of spending and appeasement of the Arabs began in 1944 when President Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed Col. William A. Eddy as the first U.S. foreign minister to Saudi Arabia. Ibn Saud, the founder of Saudi Arabia, told Eddy, “We will use your iron, but you will leave our faith alone.”

After more than six decades, the United States has spent and invested almost $3 trillion in oil and arms on Saudi Arabia. Washington has given once-poor Bedouin camel campers some of the most advanced weaponry and technology in the world.

None of it has fundamentally changed the makeup of Saudi Arabia’s ruling princes. They pride themselves in believing the teaching of Muhammad while practicing a lifestyle that is the envy of Hugh Hefner.

In case you think that Saudi Arabia is progressive, consider this: In 1974, 90 percent of Saudi exports were oil. Just last year, 90 percent of Saudi exports were oil. All the while, sheiks and princes have demanded that America dare not interfere with Saudi religious beliefs. That allows the Kingdom to use oil money to export Islamic extremism in the form of the official Saudi religion, Wahhabism.

In The New York Times in May, columnist Thomas L. Friedman wrote:

The Saudi ruling bargain is an old partnership between the al-Saud tribe and the Wahhabi religious sect. The al-Saud tribe get to stay in power and live however they want behind their palace walls, and, in return, the followers of the Wahhabi sect get to control the country’s religious mores, mosques and education system.

The Wahhabis bless the Saudi regime with legitimacy in the absence of any elections, and the regime blesses them with money and a free hand on religion. The only downside is that this system ensures a steady supply of “sitting around guys” — young Saudi males who have nothing other than religious education and no skills to compete — who then get recruited to become 9/11-style hijackers and suicide bombers in Iraq.

Progressive Saudi writer Mai Yamani wrote the book Cradle of Islam. The daughter of Saudi Arabia’s former oil minister, Yamani underscores the truth about a nation that Obama holds in high esteem — despite the fact Saudi money stirs political ferment and even revolution.

In The Daily Star of Beirut, Lebanon, Yamani wrote: “Despite the decade of the West’s war on terror, and Saudi Arabia’s longer-term alliance with the United States, the Kingdom’s Wahhabi religious establishment has continued to bankroll Islamic extremist ideologies around the world.”

Say what you will about the paranoia during the anti-Red frenzy; at least in the 1950s and ’60s, the United States and its leaders recognized that communism was a danger. Two generations later, Islam in the extreme is just as dangerous.

In his book America Alone: The End of the World As We Know It, Mark Steyn wrote: “The Saudis fund mosques that radicalize distant Muslim populations from Indonesia to Oregon, and schools that turn out terrorists on every continent on the face of the Earth. They set up Islamic lobby groups that put spies in our military bases and terror recruiters in our prisons. They endow think tanks that buy up and neuter the massed ranks of retired diplomats, and assistant secretaries of state, and national security advisers: as the journalist Matt Welch remarked, if you close your eyes, America’s ex-ambassadors to Saudi Arabia sound like they’re Saudi.”

In 2005, a 23-year-old American citizen named Ahmed Omar Abu Ali was convicted of conspiracy to commit terrorism, including a plot to assassinate President George W. Bush. Abu Ali had gone to Saudi Arabia to study after graduating from The Islamic Saudi Academy in Virginia. Abu Ali was the 1999 valedictorian of the school, which is run by the Saudi government.

Steyn writes: “It’s on American soil but it describes itself as ‘subject to the government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia’ and its classes are based on ‘the curriculum, syllabus, and materials established by the Saudi Ministry of Education.’”

Wahhibism is being taught not far from our Nation’s capital. Can you imagine Virginian kids attending Mao Zedong High in the 1960s?

Americans do not enjoy reciprocal freedoms in Saudi Arabia, a nation that doesn’t even allow women to drive.

The Saudis harvest what knowledge and technology the United States can provide in return for their oil, which is now priced above $100 per barrel — five times higher than it was on 9/11. It is a good deal for Saudi Arabia; and under Obama, the United States will become ever more dependent on Saudi oil. With the Greens in the Democratic Party, a blockade is being set up to stop imports of oil sands from Canada. Meanwhile, new leases to drill offshore are few and far between and development of Alaska’s rich reserves is at a standstill.

As new technologies fail to deliver on the promises made by the Greens, we are more and more at the mercy of Islam. And in case you haven’t noticed, Islam is not big on mercy.

Perhaps a new President will change directions. But if Obama is re-elected, expect the cancer that is extreme Islam to spread and threaten not only our economy but our way of life.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • s c

    How about offering the current prez another Nobel Peace Prize and $25 million dollars to defect to the country of his choice? I think he’s smart enough to understand what he’s doing, but he has a blind side when it comes to expecting Americans to stand by and watch an alien faith take over (bend over and smile?).
    Can you readers fathom the depth of the irony of Islamic countries looking at America as the servant of the prince of darkness when the current prez 1) acts like a Muslim and 2) probably has no reason to care if he does the bidding of Islamic nations or the prince of darkness?
    This is also a most unusually-warped example of ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend.’ It gets stranger every day, doesn’t it?

    • rhcrest

      I’m all for that! I’d donate my last dime to thes cause of buying him a one way ticket outta here!

      • IKE

        ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION . IT IS A VIOLANT CULT. THERE IA NO SUCH THING AS A PEACEFUL MUSLIM . THAT BOOK THEY READ WILL NOT LET THAT HAPEN.

        • dan

          …and do not forget that they reject the divinity of Jesus Christ
          and have occupied the Temple Mount. They are the financiers of terrorism…and still our government harasses it’s citizens.

          • HarryButtle

            Even the people here must know this article is a delusional crock. Obama not only has been able to gain the death of Osama Bin Laden, but also 22 other top operatives in Al Qaeda. He contributed to the overthrow of Libyan dictator Moammar Gaddafi without one American troop on the ground and no combat losses, while at the same time preventing genocide. If anything, as Ron Paul has pointed out, Obama has been too aggressive in using our military. Ron Paul’s philosophy leaves him much more vulnerable to the appeasement charge.

          • Old Henry

            Little Barry Soetoro, the communst Muslim foreign national, illegally bombed the most prosperous country in Africa into the Stone Age and in the process murdered thousands of inocnet men women and children. He is now personally responsible for the continued murder of thousands of men, women and children in that country by the fascist terrorists he was instrumental in putting in charge.

            That alone should bring about his removal, trial and execution.

          • mark

            New Flash: Just about every religion in the world outside of Christianity denies the divinity of Christ, including Judaism. These faiths, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Confucianism, animism, etc constitute the faith systems of about three-quarters of the world’s people. None of them believe in the divinity of Christ. But Islam recognized Jesus as an important prophet, something Judaism does not.

          • John

            You do understand that for the majority of people on this planet Jesus is a fraud and he means nothing to them right? Just because Christianity believes in him does not mean all others have to believe in him to. YOU don’t believe in the Hindu, Buddhist, Wicca, or Islamic God(s)(who by the way say their God(s) are the only true God(s) just as we say ourr God is the only true god) so why are you so appalled they don’t believe in yours? A little religious tolerance goes a long way. That does not mean we have to put up with the extremists and terrorists of other religions just as they don’t have to put up with our extremists.

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            For Good Cause… Jesus Christ ~ as Prazed in Religious Cults! Catholic, Or, Borne Again… Are FATH BASED!!! FACTS OPPOSE!

          • Richard Pawley

            Well, Bert, it is true you must have the faith to believe before you can ever receive, but those who have come to experience Jesus in their lives, have gone beyond “faith” to knowledge. My mom past away a while back, just before she was 92, and within hours she spoke to my sister (after she had died) and said to one of my sisters, “You took care of me while I was alive, now be sure to take care of your father” who was 97 at the time. My wife’s grandmother became a Christian at a tent revival in the 1920′s and my wife was very close to her. When she died my wife was almost inconsolable until between weeping and crying, she suddenly heard her grandmother speak to her and say, “Why are you crying? You know where I’m at. Jesus himself, brought me up here, and it’s more beautiful than they ever tried to tell us, so stop crying and clean up this place” (a room full of books and paper – of mine – that needed much help sorting).

            Read about what young Billy Graham saw and experienced at age ten that made him into the person he became or the best seller, PRISON TO PRAISE by Merlin Carothers.

            Does any of this mean that my mom and my wife’s grandmother or Billy Graham’s grandmother are saints? No. We are all beings created by a loving father. There is so much to tell, that I couldn’t begin to do so here. All I can say is that if you have never found God you are either looking in the wrong places or you gave up way to early. A time is coming before this decade is out when everyone is going to need to have a relationship with God (the one and only) or they may not survive. You can’t earn His love but you can accept it and He can do more for you than you can do for Him. God bless you and all who read this.

          • Michael Hardesty

            So do Jews reject the divinity of Christ. So does the atheist majority here. Kill them all ?
            The Temple Mount is Islamic territory.

          • Smilee

            HarryButtle says:
            January 11, 2012 at 8:42 am

            Your right this article is a delusional crock including that Harry Truman was not yet president in 1944 as the article states, facts on this site are scarce

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            RICHARD: I Realize now, You don’t Know GOD! You refer to god as HIM! And are in an ignorant state, of being! They are Fools that speak for God! HISTORY REFLECTS DUMBNESS!

        • Old Henry

          The book the rag-heads read was written by Satan.

          • mark

            And you have scientific documentation for this? As with all your other racist statements?

          • Flashy

            Hank…then since Satan is the creation of christians…you’re saying Muslims are christian and followers of a divine book of that faith?

          • Jefferson Thomas
          • Mike in MI

            Fleshy -
            While the present laws of the United States of America still stand you have every right to think and write and worship (or not) as you please…because Christians set this nation’s Constitution up that way.
            If you ever see it overridden you can expect from that time it will just be a matter of time until a raghead with a knife shows up at your door. He will ask you if you believe Mohammed and demand you convert. If you answer wrong the last thing you will see will be the flash of his dull, rusty blade as he commences sawing the side of your neck – so he can hear your squeals of horror and anguish.
            If you convert your agnosticism/atheism will be rooted out…or else you will be buried up to your shoulders in sand in the city square and they will commence throwing stones at your face.

          • http://WeThePeople Jean

            Oh I do agree with you on this one. Satan took our Christian Words about the Christ and made his prophet take profit for everything. Where our Christ preached love – his preached Death. He even said that he saw Christ on his little mind game trip. He mimed everything into a mirror image – the opposit of everything that we hold Sacred.

            But, isn’t that what all the perverted people do?

            Even the Homos took the Rainbow symbol that God said was his covenant with his people and used it for their registration club. So glad that you are all so conveniently listed. You have numbered yourselves – and God always warned his people not to do that

            They try to soil and tarnish everything Christian, but not to worry, we should bless everyone of them. For their faith will more than keep them toasty in the coming tribulations

          • raw

            islam is an insult to satan. satan doesn’t exist – satan is alive & well & living in the heart of every [hu]man.

        • Aurelio

          Sorry Ike, you fell too short, Islam is worse than a course, Islam is a mental disease, a corrosive acid that destroys the mind that harbors it. Islam, which is not a religion, is the most dangerous ideology in the whole ideological history of mankind. Muslims don’t develop psychologically as normal people do, due to the intense brainwashing that they suffer from the moment they come to the world. Muslims are repressed individuals projecting the hatred they harbor against themselves, against Islam and against their peers toward the “infidels”, this is why muslim societies are so violent, they rejoice in killing; but deep in their minds, they are killing Islam and the crap they have gone through.

          • mark

            Oh so you’re a psychiatrist now? Please present you credentials.

          • Karolyn

            Are you credentialed in Islamic Studies?

          • F-150

            I appears that a great many disagree with your diagnosis with the mental illness of muslims, but I agree 100%. From what I have read, it is caused in part because of their centuries of in-breeding. Marriage to cousins is very commonplace and their gene pool is so contaminated that it is almost impossible to fine a clear-headed, right-thinking muslim. Their Koran does their thinking for them, and it was written by a illiterate idiot!

          • Flashy

            F-150…you mean Muslims are native to W. Virginia ?

          • mark

            No Karolyn, I’m NOT credentialed in Islamic Studies though I have taken university courses on the Islamic faith and on Islamic history. I have a read a good English translation of the Quran. What I do know is that the religion of Islam is not “a mental disease” as Aurelio claims, anymore than Protestantism, Catholicism, Judaism, Buddhism or Hinduism are mental diseases. I do know that and don’t require a degree in any of those faiths to make that statement. We should all respect other people’s faith traditions and not insult them by saying anyone who doesn’t worship exactly the way we do is mentally diseased. Don’t you see how wrong that is?

          • mark

            F-150, oh and the Bible and the Scriptures don’t do the thinking for many Jews and Christians?

          • Karolyn

            mark, I was not responding to you but to Aurelio.

          • TML

            All religion is a disease to the mind of man. Christian, Muslim… It doesn’t matter. Does nothing but breed hate and prejudice.

          • Kate8

            Gee. I haven’t seen too many Christians proclaiming death to all non-Christians.

            The indoctrination centers have succeeded will with many of you.

          • Jerry

            They also usually marry first cousins and closer. Doing this which is is written against in the bible may be the reason of there low IQ of 70. I read about this in an article and my son who was in Iraq verifies this.

          • vicki

            Religions that I respect honor First Principle. Islam does not. Christianity does. Individuals in each of those religions may or may not follow their religion. Thus you see that some that claim to be muslim do not plan on killing the infidel. Some that claim to be Christian do plan on killing the non-believer.

            That some Muslims do not murder does not equal Islam being peaceful. That some Christians do murder does not equal Christianity being warlike.

            In either case condemn the sin but love the sinner. That is the Christian way.

            ————————
            First Principle:
            Your Creator gave you 2 gifts. Life and Free Will. How you use those gifts and how you honor those gifts in others is how you shall be judged.
            ———————–

          • TML

            “Individuals in each of those religions may or may not follow their religion. Thus you see that some that claim to be muslim do not plan on killing the infidel. Some that claim to be Christian do plan on killing the non-believer.”

            THIS, is reasonable. THIS, is the truth…

            But then…….

            “That some Muslims do not murder does not equal Islam being peaceful. That some Christians do murder does not equal Christianity being warlike.”

            ….You show your prejudice against that reasonable truth; that some Christian’s do not murder, does not equal Christianity being peaceful. That some Muslims do murder, does not equal Islam being warlike.

          • vicki

            TML writes:
            “….You show your prejudice against that reasonable truth; that some Christian’s do not murder, does not equal Christianity being peaceful. That some Muslims do murder, does not equal Islam being warlike.”

            The reasonable truth is found in the teachings. Specifically how to treat non-believers.

            Christian – pray for ther souls (Matthew 5:43, 45)

            Islam – Off with their heads. (Koran 47:4)

            http://www.dianedew.com/islam.htm

            Kinda obvious which one is warlike. Thus my “reasonable” truths stand without prejudice.

        • Mark M

          TOTALLY DUMB

        • http://jcadla.net JCA

          Ike…it is refreshing to see someone tell the truth for a change…except I call islam an ideology, just like communism only a million times worse…

        • Michael Hardesty

          Ike, Christianity is the biggest, most violent cult in world history.
          They killed 30 million of each other in the Thirty Years War just in Germany and Holland. Up till 1945 Christians were slaughtering Christians on a mass scale in Europe and in the 90s Christians started slaughtering Muslims in Bosnia as well as each, Croats v. Serbs.
          Stop your neoconman agit-prop.

          • Kate8

            M H – Holy cow. It seems that your history books have neglected to point out that Islam was slaughtering its way through Europe, bent on ridding the Earth of the Infidel and conquering in the name of Allah.

            The Christians finally fought back. Yet, no one has a problem with Muslims determination to claim the world for Sharia.

            Selective outrage.

        • Deborah Donnison

          To Old Henry…funny you should mention “fascist terrorists” because that is who is trying to take over this country. I call them ‘Fascist Tea Party Terrorists’. They are trying their best to install fascism here in the US and they must be stopped. A late President once said that Fascism will slowly creep into this country when no one is looking. We must be diligent, keep one eye peeled and stop it before it can take a foot hold. But oopps, too late. It’s already here.

          • vicki

            Deborah Donnison. You can make up definitions all you like. However the painfully obvious truth is that the Tea Party can not possibly be facist because they want SMALLER government. Facism is a philosipy of totatilarians where the governemnt controls ALL aspects of national life. This would necessarilly require a much BIGGER government thus your made up definition is shown to be wholy your illogical opinion.

            You are welcome to it but please stop trying to demonize people using it.

            “fascism (făsh`ĭzəm), totalitarian philosophy of government that glorifies the state and nation and assigns to the state control over every aspect of national life.”
            http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Facism

      • Old Henry

        And then we could shoot down the plane.

        • mark

          Apparently there are some non-Muslim terrorist here. Of the Timothy McVeigh type. What mosque did Tim McVeigh belong to?

      • Larry

        AMEN!!! We’ll buy him a seat next to Alec “Big Mouth” Baldwin.

    • JCfromDC

      He says in his own writings that if the “political winds” shift toward Islam, then that’s where he’ll go. Isn’t that something like TREASON? What about upholding and defending the Constitution, and swearing an oath to do the same as president?

      • John

        Where does it say in the constitution that a Muslim can not be president?

        • Kate8

          John – I’ll bet you are one of those strict “separation of church and state” people, too.

          Well, being that Islam isn’t just a religion, but a political ideology, which doesn’t recognize separation of religion and government (check out Sharia), I can’t imagine that any sane person could accept a Muslim as president of the US. (Yet, you do.)

          Islam demands that Islam come before all else. It is absolutely diameterically opposed to our Constitution and values of freedom and governance by the people (as are most of those in DC, apparently). I mean, just look at what Obama is doing! He’s instituting Islam by stealth in America.

          What’s more, it’s just been reported that there are 35 KNOWN Islamic terrorist training camps operating in the United States alone. It is also known that their only reason for existance is invasion of America, and the murder of Americans. They kidnap, hold hostage, and commit all manner of mayhem without fear of interference from our guv, and they are just getting started…

          Doesn’t anyone think it a bit ironic that these terrorists are allowed to function freely on American soil, and yet American citizens who speak out about upholding the Constitution are being labeled as terrorists…ememies of the state?

          WHAT THE H*LL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!

          • NC

            Kate8, it’s people like you that is “what the h*ll is wrong” with people like us. The citizens of this country who really believe that the founding fathers,with pen in hand, could have included or excluded any religion they chose from the government. You would think if they wanted Christians to have an upper hand they would have at least excluded the deniers of Christ, the Jews. Not only did they not do that they went on to say that any future congress could not exclude them or any other group.
            Don’t you just hate it when you don’t get to say how we are going to do things? It’s enough to pi$$ off the Pope!! Right???

          • John

            Kate8,
            And what has your rant to do with my question? On the one site, people here cry constantly about upholding the constitution but when there is something that does not chive with their vision and agenda then the constitution becomes meaningless. Fact is, there is NO absolute NO prohibition in our constitution against a Muslim president period. And I do NOT care about any of the excuses and stories you tell that would make a Muslim in YOUR EYES not eligible to be president. According to the constitution, a person of ANY faith or political ideology can be the president as long as he upholds the constitution and the constitution is the law period. To the constitution it does NOT mater if you have a dislike for Muslims or not, in fact, if you read what our founding fathers had to say about them you will find that they did NOT care either. I am not a Muslim lover or a promoter of any religion over the other…it is everyone own decision as to what he / she wants to believe… but simply said, saying Obama is a Muslim and thus not qualified to be the president is simply unconstitutional period.

          • Kate8

            NC and John – As long as we continue this suicidal addiction to political correctness, refusing to face reality, we will continue to descend into oblivion.

            Thank God not everyone is as gullible as you two.

            I mean…yikes…we DO have a Muslim (usurper)president. And just look at where we’re going.

            How can you defend the indefensible? How can you, on one hand, say it’s okay to have a Muslim president, but recoil in horror at the idea of a Christian one?

            We don’t have the country we want, but the country we deserve.

            Our founders also required that anyone coming to America become American. That means accept our language and culture. America was not built on Islamic culture! It was you Progs who decided to drop that requirement, and encourage people to retain their original languages and cultures, allowing them to feed at the American trough while detesting our values and way of life.

            Way to go, guys.

          • John

            Kate8,
            As I said, you don’t like it change the constitution, but until you do live with it. The constitution is written to be the word of law for all even if you don’t like what it said. If you hate the constitution of this country and thus this country much that you openly declare that it should not follow the constitution because YOU don’t like it giving the same freedoms to Muslims as to all others then you have only 3 real choices, 1st, change it…get enough like minded people and try to change this country into a christian theocracy..something totally different from what our forefathers envisioned..and lets face it, that is what you essentially propose right? turn this country into a Christian version of Iran where only what you and your followers say is the law and the hell with everyone else. 2nd, you can just live with it like everyone else end enjoy the freedom that the constitution guaranties EVERYONE that is lawfully in this country, or 3rd take the consequences and move to a conservative country…Iran, N-Korea (one a conservative Muslim, the other a conservative communist country) come to mind all you have to do once you there is to forget about the personal freedom the constitution guaranties us in this country..

          • Mary Mohanan

            end times. What is right is wrong, and what’s wrong is right.

          • Kate8

            I suggest that you actually READ the Constitution. Nowhere does it say that we must accept people who hate our way of life and will seek to overthrow it.

          • JTB

            Kate8 I agree with you. These other so called americans can go back to where they came from. The United States of America is not the same country it was when i was growing up and it’s idiots like NC & John who say it’s ok for us to become Islamic. If they want to live under Islamic rule then go live in that country.

          • Smilee

            Obama has stated emphatically that he is a Christian, him being a Muslim is only conservative spin because his dad was a non practicing Muslim whom he hardly knew they define him as one, you think you know his heart better than him, he was also raised as a Christian. The spin here is guilt by association. Shameful in a country that professes freedom, people’s actions here speak a lot louder that their words

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            It’s a real shame that it took a black muzzlem to fix this Country! The DUMB Little King in office Destroyed MY COUNTRY. His Familys Dynisty Caused More of our People Injuries & Deaths than Anyone in our History! Loss of Friends & Trust of Others too!

        • Jerry

          John, What if that Muslin wasn’t an American citizen?

      • Flashy

        Please document where he wrote what you ascribe to him.

        Just another lie making the rounds.

        • Old Henry

          How did you become a Communist Flashy? Were your parents Communist?

          • mark

            How did you become a racist? Were your parents racist? How did you become irrational? Were your parents irrational?

        • DaveH

          Actual Obama quote from “The Audacity of Hope” [pg. 261]:
          “Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction”.
          From http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-dreams-of-my-father/

          • Flashy

            Ahhh..I see. So by standing for the Constitutional Rights of people to freely practice thier own beliefs should there be a wave of fear led hysterical goons making up a lynch mob…he’s Muslim.

            Seems to everyone with common sense and a brain views it as what he is saying is he will not let the American Taliban take control and run rampant over the Rights of others in the name of a religous pogrom.

          • Kinetic1

            In other word, if, as with the Japanese the people of America begin calling for the incarceration or deportation of all Muslims he will defend their right to remain free. That’s not treason, but the exact opposite. That’s defending our Constitution’s call for freedom of religion. Interpreting his statement to mean that, should the ” “political winds” shift toward Islam, then that’s where he’ll go.” is about as big a distortion as proclaiming all Muslims to be violent terrorists.

          • DaveH

            I simply posted the truth, Flashman, something you’re unfamiliar with. I took no stand.

          • Kate8

            Obama is not simply acknowledging Muslims the right to practce their faith unhindered in America. He is outright promoting Islam, while moving toward criminalizing Christianity.

            Just take, for example, his canceling of the long practiced Day of Prayer…which Obama decided to declare now CANCELLED, no matter how many of us wished to observe it. While he PROMOTED an ISLAMIC Day of Prayer. WTH?

            Are you really so blind as to not question anything this creep does? Are you really that simple?

          • Karolyn

            And what exactly is wrong with what he said?

          • Kate8

            karolyn – You think it is okay for O to give preference to Islam?

          • Karolyn

            Kate – That’s mpt what I got from what he said.

          • Kinetic1

            Kate8,
            What are you talking about? The National day of prayer is the first Thursday in May and has been since Reagan set the date. President Obama released proclamations recognizing the day in each of the last 3 years. No, he did not appear at a national prayer event, but instead chose to recognize the day in private. Since there is no prescribed ceremony of recognition, that was his call. Nothing was “cancelled” as you claim. This is just another distortion being spread by those of you who will do anything to find fault with this man.

          • Smilee

            DaveH says:
            January 11, 2012 at 9:10 am

            He was talking about American citizens, you quoted it correctly but I fail to see how anyone could spin that to mean he is a Muslim or promoting that religion he is simply saying he will stick up for their constitutional rights which all presidents have an obligation to do

        • Think about it

          “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
          This is a quote from Obama’s book The Audacity of Hope. It is from a section that talks about the concerns of immigrants who are American citizens.

          It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.
          This one is from Dreams from My Father.

      • Old Henry

        Uphold the Constitution JC? Hell, his being there shreds our Constitution.

        • John

          Understood Old Henry,
          BUT, I am getting quite tired of needless rhetoric that is resulting that people think we are nuts and thus they don’t even want to listen to the real points made.. I see this “he is a Muslim president and thus a traitor” nonsense all the time. There is NO place in the constitution that said a Muslim can not be the president of this country. The founders knew about Muslims, they knew there where 100s of different faiths and groups out there and still, they did NOT specify that a christian only could be president of this country. They relied on the people to elect what they think was best for the country independent of the faith of the person. A Wicca could be a rightful president of this country. If people don’t like this, they can work on changing the constitution, but until that is done, nothing will change this simple fact. There are handles within the constitution and the amendments to deal with presidents that try to destroy this country. Impeachment, arrest for treason, elections, common sense, that are the tools that are available and should be used. Making statements such as the above poster and many others I see on here that let their hate dictate their words will NOT be productive, all it will do is to cloud ones perspective and turn of fence sitters that would see them. Having hate blinders on and spewing out nonsense does not help. If one hates the president this much, hate at home, hate in your town but keep it away from a place the whole world can see because it is simply counter productive. And if one still want to voice ones hate, stick to the facts don’t let rhetoric destroy your reason.

          • Rational

            I like your style JOHN. I only wish it has some impact on these cretins.

            Today’s right has been hijacked by those who believe they can only win an argument by slander, name-calling and if all else fails throw in the name of Jesus.

            These are simple hate mongers who dance to the tune of anyone who will go to any extreme to see POTUS fail. When they harm the country, that’s simply fratricide, friendly fire to them. Their level of hate sees no limit.

          • Kate8

            John – What you said is so not true.

            Up until LBJ opened America’s gates to the Third World, immigration was only allowed from those cultures which were compatible with our American values. This was to insure our strength in unity and faith. Our founders recognized that such “diversity” was not a strengh, but would lead to division, weakness and our ultimate destruction.

            The whole reason for flooding America with diverse cultures was to neutralize our American culture, dividing us along lines of language and values. When you have groups of people all playing by different rules, no one can understand nor trust anyone else. It’s the old “divide and conquer”.

            Americans bought ths “strenght through diversity” line by the use of political correctness to keep us all in line…to keep us from seeing the truth. Everyone was so afraid of being labelled some kind of “phobe” that we’ve allowed ourselves to become…NOTHING. We are now nothing…but a pathetic lot of totally neutered sheep who stand for…nothing.

          • Flashy

            “Up until LBJ opened America’s gates to the Third World, immigration was only allowed from those cultures which were compatible with our American values.”

            Could not agree more! that’s why throughout our history we let in the Irish, the Cathlics, the Jews, the E Europeans, the Chinese, the Indian (sub Asian continent), the many from nations across Africa, the S. Americans, the Caribs, the Central Americans, heck…there is rumor we even let some French Canadiens in…because those cultures were compatible with our American values…

            And then came LBJ who screwed it up and let everyone else in.

          • http://WND Redfray

            Would you define treason?

          • John

            Kate8,
            You don’t know much of the history in this country do you?

            The history of Islam in the United States can be divided into two significant periods: the post World War I period, and the last few decades, Although some individual members of the Islamic faith are known to have visited or lived in the United States during the colonial era.[11]

            Estevanico of Azamor may have been the first Muslim to enter the historical record in North America. Estevanico was a Berber originally from North Africa who explored the future states of Arizona and New Mexico for the Spanish Empire.[12][13] He was raised as a Muslim, but was converted to Roman Catholicism upon enslavement.[14]

            American views of Islam affected debates regarding freedom of religion during the drafting of the state constitution of Pennsylvania in 1776. Constitutionalists promoted religious toleration while Anticonstitutionalists called for reliance on Protestant values in the formation of the state’s republican government. The former group won out, and inserted a clause for religious liberty in the new state constitution. American views of Islam were influenced by favorable Enlightenment writings from Europe, as well as Europeans who had long warned that Islam was a threat to Christianity and republicanism.[15]

            When Benjamin Franklin helped establish a non-denominational religious meeting house in Philadelphia, he emphasized its non-sectarian nature by stating that “even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his service”.[16]

            There was Muslim migration into the US as there was migration from other faiths besides Christians. The US from its earliest days as a country was open to ALL different faiths and groups long,long before LBJ.

          • Brian Schultz

            OM FFIN G… Kate8… reread your post… what total crap “Until LBJ opened up this country to the third world….”

            What are you spewing…. if I remember correctly…. the reason this ‘country’ came into existence (it WAS already here after all, and inhabited by a native citizenry- that was subsiquently nearly eradicated from existence) because some people wanted to Escape “RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION” AND OH BY THE WAY…. EVERYONE THAT POPULATED THIS COUNTRY SINCE THAT TIME WERE “IMMIGRANTS (OH AND THE SLAVES THAT THE RICH BROUGHT HERE TO DO THE WORK)….

            HOW DOES THAT ONE SCRAP OF PAPER READ???…. ‘WE THE PEOPLE, IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION….. CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS…….THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL (MEN BEING GENERIC FOR PEOPLE) [ALL ARE CREATED EQUAL BUT THATS IT....UNLESS YOU HAVE MONEY.....SO RE READ AS ALL MEN WITH MONEY ARE CREATED EQUAL] {THIS IS MORE SARCASM OF COURSE…

            SO I’LL USE YOUR OWN WORDS FROM A PREVIOUS POST “WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE” YOURSELF…..IT IS SICKENING TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO SPOUT OFF ABOUT RELIGION (FOR EXAMPLE…. I AM CHRISTIAN BLAH BLAH BLAH) AND THEN BE HYPOCRITICAL AND JUDGEMENTAL. FOR PEOPLE TO CLAIM TO BE AMERICAN BUT THEN BE RACIST (I DARE YOU TO LOOK DEEP INTO YOUR LINEAGE AND SEE WHAT YOU FIND). FOR ANY AMERICAN TO BITCH AND MOAN ABOUT IMMIGRATION (AS 99% OF US ARE IMMIGRANTS OR DESCENDED FROM IMMIGRANTS- TECHNICALLY EVEN SLAVES ARE INNIGRANTS, ALBEIT INVOLUNTARY IMMIGRANTS)…. I THINK IF YOU WANT TO POST ON A SITE LIKE THIS AND TALK POLITICS AMERICANUS YOU SHOULD CUT ALL THE RACIST, BIGOTTED, RELIGIOUS, CRAP AND DISCUSS THINGS RATIONALLY…

            NO IMMIGRANT CITIZEN OF THE US SHOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT IMMIGRATION… IT IS DOWNRIGHT HYPOCRYTICAL…

          • Kate8

            John and Brian – You are both idiots.

            Brian, your shouting rant had no relevance to the point I was making.

            You both are so trapped in your ideologies and dreams of utopia that your are completely detached from reality. You have also succombed to revisionist history.

            There’s just no cure for stupid. That’s why we’re in collapse.

            The proof is in the puddng, guys.

            Gee, it’s all worked out so well, hasn’t it?

          • Brian Schultz

            KAte8,
            how can you possibly call me an idiot….

            First quoting exactly the most important document in history is not revisionist.

            second… if the pilgrims coming here to get away from religious persecution is not how all of this modern era crap started then the whole history of the US is wrong.

            third… if you even try to dispute the fact that all of us except the amaerican natives (that we did almost wipe off the planet) are in fact immigrants and/or decended there of , I am sorry to the site hosts but it is you that is an idiot

          • Brian Schultz

            as to your comment; immigrants with comparable values crap……thats how we were set up eh?

            hmmm lets start… we brought the chinese immigrants here to build the railroads not because their values imitated ours but because they were cheap labor and did things we were too good for…. ditto the irish (new yorkers needed someone to pick on) hmmm, catholics came later too….. they were the ones persecuting the puritans….

            I could go on because it is now necessary to take race and ethics courses in a college curriculum but i can sum up that your values and meaning must be that…” we Americans only accept immigrants that we can use and abuse… it has nothing to do with values… because that thought process contains only negative values…. you appaerently do not agree that all humans are equal (skin color is only associated with the geographic and climatic region where the ancestors came from….

          • John

            Kate8,
            Revisionist history? Thank you, you have just shown that you have no clue about the history of this country, the principles it was founded on and the constitution of the US.

          • Kate8

            Sorry, John, but it is YOU who are clueless.

            You have bought the (mis)interpretations of those who have long sought to turn American values upside down and to reinterpret our Constitution…or should I say, replace our Constitution, to suit their own purposes.

            There is no point in debating you because you’ve bought into it hook, line and sinker. Most Americans today have no clue as to what America ever was. It is forever lost, I’m afraid.

            Our founders never intended that we should give away the farm to those who seek to conquer us. Other cultures come here and set up virtual satellites in our cities, with their own rules, customs and even laws. Many now openly practice Sharia, and have their own courts. The are no longer America.

            If you are okay with this, then I guess the ruling elite have succeeded with their programs beyond their wildest dreams.

            Hello Amerika.

          • Kinetic1

            Kate8,
            You’ve been reading David Barton’s works, haven’t you? I just can’t get enough of the way the new “Christian” historians tilt the “facts” to fit their own ideology and then claim everyone else is revisionist.

      • mark

        He already did that on Jan. 20, 2009. He will do it again on Jan. 20 2017.

        • Kate8

          mark – You are truly pathetic.

          • NC

            Kate, John just paid you a great compliment! He limited your lack of knowlege to just “history of our country”!! I think you ignorance is much more vast than that. Say “thank you ” to John!

          • Brian Schultz

            Kate8,

            I am sorry but after reading through these posts, I believe it is you (and a few others). that is/are trying to live life through the eyes of revisionist history. It is also you that is so stuck in your ideology that makes you virtually impotent in knowledge and fact… so to make life easier for you and those that think like you do:

            I have read the bible numerous times (as well as many other pieces of “religious literature- studied philosophy in college as a matter of fact) so let me make a few points that a religious zealot like you must have missed.

            Ten Commandments- Heres a big one…. Thou shalt not kill. That is a period at the end of the sentence- it does not say thou shall not Kill unless the person you kill doesn’t believe in what you believe… (christians, no Catholics- the most organized of christians, have killed more people in the name of christ than any other organization in the known world- Christ taught peace, love, and understanding.

            Thou shalt not judge. here is another period at the end of the sentence, (however some revised versions of said bible state… thou shalt not judge… that is gods job)… Yet throughout my life I have noticed that Catholics are the most JUDGEMENTAL, and hypocrytical persons on this planet… (and my wife is a Catholic)

            The Bible also specifically states that we are not to harass people for not believing as we do as long as they believe in something…. so to give you a little help…. that means if you are catholic don’t get down on a lutheran because in the end you both believe (though science continually disproves it) that god created heaven and earth…blah blah blah… in six days and then took a day off and had a couple drinks to enjoy his work.

            In simplest terms let me enlighten you on “THE WORD OF GOD”…

            The Bible is a book written by a collection of men over a long period of time (Interestingly enough so is the Quran)…What this book is comprised of is a collection of stories that tell MAN, and MANKIND for that matter, how to be good people and CARETAKERS of the Garden that is Earth… it also extropolates on stories of the bad things that happen when we ARE NOT good people and CAretakers of the earth (interestingly enough so does the Quran)… it is a true shame that “The WORD OF GOD” has been basterdized and used for evil…. and unfortunately if you cast stones the way you do (judgement) then by definition Kate8 and you others that I refer to… You are EVIL and UNGODLIKE…

            As for myself I kinda get the jist of what the book says because long ago I decided to take the book for what it is and not let ORGANIZED RELIGION steer me to the dark and evil places (such as Catholicism and the evils thereof)…. I am Kind to my neighbors (no matter what color they are or what they believe. I do not cast judgement on others based on their beliefs. I try to help my fellow man. and I don’t cast stones for yes I have sinned…. But at least I admit it!!!!

          • Kate8

            My lack of knowledge? In your dreams. I’ve forgotten more than either of you have ever learned.

            You make me laugh.

          • Brian Schultz

            Wow kate,

            what a great, intelligent, informative- counterpoint…..you have forgotten more than I know…..hmmm thats a great way to prove it. how about actually enlightening all of us idiots with the true history of the US.
            would love to see that.
            Hows about giving us the ‘real definition’ of the commandments. oh great and wise one.

            Hows about explaining how being a backwater racist who likes to spew crap about the tunnel visioned view of we americans are the best in the world and screw everyone else doesn’t think so fits into the realm of modern thinking when we ahould all be working toward SAVING THIS PLANET INSTEAD OF CALLOUSLY DESTROYING IT.

            If you could even give one reasonable response to any of these questions I would consider giving you a break but heres “a” truth…

            Persons like you love to spew forth garbage and argue against rational thought but when called to explain your “inconsistent rational”…. all you can do is come up with a statement like- You are an idiot, I have forgotten more than you have ever known……. You love to call out that all of Islam is terrorist…..you should take a look at the total world population of the members of islam and then the number of islamic terrorists… then do a little math and you will find the percentage of ‘terrorists is very small compared to the number of people who follow the tenets of islam…….

            Then you should look at the ‘BIG BUSINESS’ of Catholisism and there history and take a REALISTIC look at how many people they have killed in the name of ‘The god that preaches peace love and understanding’

            You see I have a right to discuss these things because I am Rational and am open minded and willing enough to hear alternative arguments and as a matter of fact I was brought up Lutheran….and to touch on a previous work (and just because you appear very in need of formal education) the modern institution of this country was founded and formed by PROTESTANTS that wer trying to get away from over zealous, supposedly good Christians, that did nothing but persecute those that had differing beliefs (like Catholics)

            Sister- the only thing you have forgotten is how to be a good human being.

    • Brian Schultz

      This is all well and good to say all this but even here I wonder why all of you good US citizens (I am also one, I work, I vote, I pay my taxes…)cant accept the big picture….. It is easy to blame the president no matter what party he represents but the true problem is that the rest of the govt is so screwed up…. how can any President get anything done when the republicans and democrats in congress don’t do anything but politic!!!!! AS SOON AS THE ELECTIONS ARE OVER THEY NEED TO QUIT THE BIPARTISAN CRAP AND REMEMBER THAT THEY WORK FOR US THE CITIZENRY OF THE UNITED STATES. That goes for Democrats and both Republican parties!!! They need to work in the best interest of the PEOPLE not big money…. that is what put our country in jeopardy in the first place… I know it is old thinking but come on people the truth is our government walks all over us in the interest of big money….. I love turning on the Boob tube and seeing that the country is doing so well!!??? but then I look at my HARD WORKING Fellow AMERICANS and see that they can’t afford to buy heating fuel much less a gallon of Milk for their kids- BUT OUR ECONOMY IS GETTING BETTER RIGHT??? Why don’t all the Blowhards spouting progress go take a tour of “Anytown America” and see that the people are drowning and the gov’t doesn’t care…. I love that the Occupy Movement started, too bad it didn’t get anywhere because the conservatives sent out the storm troops to disband the ‘Mostly Peaceful Rallies’ That technically are supposed to be allowed by our Constitution. Oh well I better stop, otherwise I will be just another blowhard… I guess I’ll go to work, earn my pittance, try to pay my bills (mostly unsuccessfully), let my tax dollars go to paying for all the Lazy asses that dont want to work (and the unfortunates that can’t), and pay for a military machine that costs far more than it is worth… Don’t get me wrong- I appreciate what our troops do as a matter of fact I am the proud son of One of those military men “that was doing his job’ but was forgotten by his government and scorned by the people he was protecting and I grew up with that…. But I am tired of Our military members sacrificing thier lives for big money and oil as opposed to freedom…

    • eddie47d

      SC killed the conversation right off the bat and blames all of her problems on Obama. Our alliance with the Saudis started many moons ago or did SC finally roll out of bed. Even waking up doesn’t give her a clue in writing fiction.

    • Tom W.

      I thought this was very interesting! Oy vey!!! Shmendrik! Bring it on gentile boy!!!
      Truth Frequency News

      WHERE ARE THE GIRLFRIENDS of OBAMA?
      This question has popped up before but it seems this is a nonissue to our media and pundits. Thanks to Hunter at WOY for posting it.
      WHERE ARE THE GIRLFRIENDS of OBAMA?
      I hadn’t thought about this – but where are O’s past girlfriends – surely he had at least one? No past girl friends popping up anywhere? Strange – strange to the point of being downright weird! OK, this is just plain old common sense, no political agendas for either side. Just common knowledge for citizens of a country, especially American citizens, who know every little tidbit about every other president (and their wives) that even know that Andrew Jackson’s wife smoked a corn cob pipe and was accused of adultery, or that Lincoln never went to school or Kennedy wore a back brace or Truman played the piano.
      We are Americans! Our Media vets these things out! We are known for our humanitarian interests and caring for our ‘fellow man.’ We care, but none of us know one single humanizing fact about the history of our own president. Honestly, and this is a personal thing … but it’s bugged me for years that no one who ever dated him ever showed up. Taken his charisma, which caused the women to be drawn to him so obviously during his campaign, looks like some lady would not have missed the opportunity…. We all know about JFK’s magnetism, McCain was no monk; Palin’s courtship and even her athletic prowess were probed. Biden’s aneurisms are no secret. Look at Cheney and Clinton-we all know about their heart problems. How could I have left out Wild Bill before or during the White House? Nope… not one lady has stepped up and said, “He was soooo shy,” or “What a great dancer!” Now look at the rest of what we know… no classmates, not even the recorder for the Columbia class notes ever heard of him. Who was the best man at his wedding? Start there… Check for groomsmen. Then get the footage of the graduation ceremony. Has anyone talked to the professors? Isn’t it odd that no one is bragging that they knew him or taught him or lived with him? When did he meet Michele and how? Are there photos? Every president provides the public with all their photos, etc. for their library. What has he released? Nada – other than what was in this so-called biography! And experts who study writing styles, etc. claim it was not O’s own words or typical of his speech patterns, etc.
      Does this make any of you wonder? Ever wonder why no one ever came forward from Obama’s past, saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc.? Not one person has ever come forward from his past. This should really be a cause for great concern. Did you see the movie titled, The Manchurian Candidate? Let’s face it. As insignificant as we all are… someone whom we went to school with remembers our name or face…someone remembers we were the clown or the dork or the brain or the quiet one or the bully or something about us. George Stephanopoulos, ABC News said the same thing during the 2008 campaign. Even George questions why no one has acknowledged that the president was in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made impromptu speeches on campus. Stephanopoulos was a classmate of Obama at Columbia-class of 1984. He says he never had a single class with him. Since he is such a great orator, why doesn’t anyone in Obama’s college class remember him? And, why won’t he allow Columbia to release his records? Do you like millions of others; simply assume all this is explainable – even though no one can? NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA
      Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but not one remembers him. For example, Wayne Allyn Root was (like Obama) a political science major at Columbia , who graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don’t have a single classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia … EVER! Nobody recalls him. Root adds that he was, “Class of ’83 political science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him.” At our 20th class reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York, ‘the macha’ who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him.” Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook, and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia, provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia. How can this be?
      NOTE: Wayne Allyn Root can easily be verified. He graduated valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science major in the same ’83 class in which Barack Hussein Obama states he was. Some other interesting questions. Why was Obama’s law license inactivated in 2002? Why was Michelle’s law license inactivated by court order? According to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama – but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases. WHAT!? The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where he is never reported to have lived. No wonder all his records are sealed!
      Please continue sending this out to everyone. Somewhere, someone had to know him in school…before he “reorganized” Chicago and burst upon the scene at the 2004 Democratic Convention and made us swoon with his charm, poise, and speaking pizzazz. One of the biggest CONS this country has ever seen, and getting away with it. Go watch the movie The Manchurian Candidate, with Lawrence Harvey ! Good movie! Ask George Soros, HE created Barack Hussein Obama! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj3AECSKmhU THANK YOU FreedomFighter!!!

      • Buddy

        Regarding Tom W.’s questions of who ever knew Barrack Obama years ago, I recall meeting a guy in Hawaii who said that he (the guy ) graduated from the same high school in Hawaii, at the same time as Obama did. He said that he knew most of the people in graduating class, but he and some classmates all draw a “blank” on Obama. It will be of interest to find out who he really is. Maybe we’ll never know.

  • wallace torbert, Phenix City, Al

    Not my problem about energy. The American iterests is a misnomer, rather international corporate interests. My job is to buy gas and hopefully we will have some competition on fuels one day.

    The oil companies problem is to get their product to sell, gouge, me with, not my problem.

    You want us to fight for oil so we can be gouged by oil companies and told if we don’t like high prices we can walk? No way.

    • Old Henry

      We have plenty of our own oil and should be using it. I do not understand why the governors of the several states simply do not ignor the Feds and allow drilling to begin in their own states.

      If the Feds protest, simply put them in jail.

  • Beel

    Both Bush 41 and Bush 43 were pretty cozy with the Saudis too. Let’s not forget that. Bush 41 was also a big believer in “The New World Order”. Something else that everyone wants to forget.

    • http://comcast JimBob

      You’re correct that both Bush’s were (as you put it, cozy) with the Saudis. But remember, the whole amorous affair began with demorat Truman and continued on to the present (in case you missed it, there was a huge weapons sale to the Saudi’s just this month, hardly attributable to Bush II). Carter and Clinton certainly did nothing to distance America from the Saudis. To get a better picture of what Mr. Myers has offered here, read Cal Thomas’ column yesterday titled: America Retreats On Islam and you will have a good understanding of why we need to become energy independant. I don’t mean switch grass fueled cars. I mean coal, oil and gas that we have in abundance and this crack-crazed administration won’t let us access.

      • Western Beef Producer

        Very strong good statement re no access to resources needed by this country due to Obama administration agenda to force green energy. All administrations have worked with UN programs to the detriment of this country. Our western states with the most federal lands and minerals are under assault. Former Sec. of Interior James Watt said words to the effect of “You don’t have to go to Russia to see the failure of communism, just visit any Indian reservation in US.”

      • NC

        JimBob, somebody is accessing it! We are currently EXPORTING 117 million gallons of fuel a day!Our number one export. How much more do WE NEED when we are subsidizing the shipment to foreign lands!

        Something tells me getting the subsidies cut or pressure put on the oil companies to lower pump prices will be a hard sell with the Republican controlled house since “a$$ kissing of oil companies” has been a part of the Republican platform ever since Henry Ford drove his firt car off the line.

        • Flashy

          And producing more oil than anytime this century, at least (the chart I quickly viewed was only back to 2000).

          Wait … I thought in reading here on this site day after day that over regulation, curtailment of oil permits, ban on off-shore drilling, etc etc has killed our oil production?

    • Flashy

      Bush II held hands with the Shiek ( a major sign of obeyance), obeyed the orders to let the Saudi family be the only planes to fly out of the US 9/11-12, and went to war to protect Oil and the sheikdoms.

      Did i hear any of the wacked right yell and scream then?

      The only time the wacked will care about a policy is when it’s not their own warped “going backwards’ ideal. They obey when told to obey, they belive what they are told to believe…no matter how outlandish and weird. And they are led via fear and hate.

      • cawmun cents

        Tell the truth Flashy.
        Holding hands is a cultural thing to do in Islam.
        Not only is it okay to do in Islamic culture,you will often see men strolling down the streets holding hands with each other.
        I

        • cawmun cents

          It is not a sign of obeyance,rather of friendship.
          Of course you may have known that as fact,but if you did not then I suspect that you will get fifty lashes from your brutal cultural dominatrix,when you arrive home.Or prehaps you will go strolling down the street holding his hand.Either way its a loss for you in this debate.
          -CC.

        • Old Henry

          I just figured it meant that Little Barry Soetoro wasn’t the first queer president…

    • Old Henry

      No Beel, we have not forgotten, it’s simply that we must deal with the here-and-now, which is Little Barry the Communist Muslim foreign national.

  • wallace torbert, Phenix City, Al

    The recruiting station is open today far right. Take Rush and Hannity with you, shared sacrifice.

    • Free Mind

      Who gave you permission to talk? The only difference between you and Obama is that he gets to sleep with Joe Biden

      • CP

        Don’t believe anyone NEEDS permission to talk, at least not yet. Sounds like you would love old Uncle Joe and his gang, as you had to have permission to fart, let alone talk. under his rule.

  • wallace torbert, Phenix City, Al

    Want American oil? Nationalize; otherwise let oil companies get their own oil to sell, not my problem and certainly not my children’s problem.

    If you want us to fight for oil, quit gouging us with high prices.

    • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

      Wallace;; how about getting your Kenyan potus to allow drilling and slacking instead of spending your tax dollars on subsidizing an energy policy agenda that is killing the jobs/economy;; it is your problem and it will be your children’s and grand-children’s unless your a riding a CAMEL.

      • Flashy

        Mr. Lee….you do realize domestic oil production has risen don’t you? And the number one export is fuel?

        Now if you want to discuss getting what we have left, the hard to get oil from the ground, we can. Let’s discuss fracking and water pollution and earthquakes. Let’s discuss ripping communities to shreds by unsightly dangerous wells and land use violations. Let’s discuss oil shale and the slag left behind for the community to clean up afterwards.

        Above all…let’s discuss oil addiction and where, even if we somehow someway ever become delf sufficient on this outmoded, growth limiting, money draining energy source … what of the rest of the world and our reliance on the global economy being sound and working well?

        you want to stay on hydrocarbons? Fine…then gripe about the oil compaies patenting the technology for hydrocarbonjs from wood cellulose and instead of building technology and conducting research into more effiency, they are willing to pay the legilsative mandated fines for not using fuels from this source. And you can also gripe about Big Oil buying and holding the patents for a high temperature ceramic engine which would burn grain alcohol at an efficient mpg.

        And you can wonder why a) none of this is publicized nor spoken about in Congress and b) if big Oil is keeping these patents safely undeveloped because wood fiber and means of making grain alcohol are not under their control being as available everywhere as they are.

        Fact is fact, no matter how much you want to ignore it. Staying addicted to coal and oil as our main energy source is not in our natrional security interests nor in our economic interests.

        You want to be delusional and feel all warm and fuzzy when told by a politican paid by Big Oil or by a Big Oil front that continued reliance on oil and coal is? Be my guest. I can’t stop you from being a fool.

        Think on this. Right now, the PacNW has too much electricity being generated. to the point that the BPA has mandated the windfarms to at times stop generation because there isn’t enough demand to clear room on the grid for it. We could be shipping this electricy to California and alleviate the shortages there, drop their prices etc etc. But because of decades of neglect, the grid to send it down there isn’t modernized and unable to take any more load. We could be building huge farm in the Central plains…but there is no grid available.

        Currently, our major cities are losing 10 billion (that’s with a “b”) of driking water due to aged infrastrucre and leakages. Atlanta is losing up to 13% each day because of neglected infrastructure.

        Our highways, freeways and bridges are a travesty. Check out your local area…bet you have dilapidated dangerous bridges and roads which aren’t being repaired.

        You want to really start fixing America? Then start fixing it. mor grid capacity, more permanent sources of production, bettr roads and infrastructure…THAT is the means of getting away from foreign oil. Don’t continue to be unpatriotic, unAmerican, and working for foreign interests by ranting and raving about turning it backwards.

        • cawmun cents

          The Irony is that Barack Obama dosent even SOUND Islamic,does it Flashy?
          Asalaam Aleikum!
          -CC.

          • Flashy

            No more than your name does. I have a friend named McHenry. he’s black. Think he’s Irish? I have another froend named Cartwright. He’s of Chinese descent…think he’s related to Ben and Joe and the gang?

          • cawmun cents

            You mean like your name reflects what you do when you see school children?
            -CC.

          • cawmun cents

            I do seem to remember them Cartwrights having a cook named Hop Sing.
            Maybe they adopted one of his relatives?
            Dufus.
            -CC.

          • Flashy

            nope..your wife.

          • cawmun cents

            Hussein?
            You sane?
            Didnt think so.
            -CC.

          • cawmun cents

            Your husband.

          • JeffH

            Flashy says: I have another froend named Cartwright. He’s of Chinese descent…think he’s related to Ben and Joe and the gang?

            He’s a direct descendant of Hop Sing, who’s niece married Adam Cartright…

        • Dntmkmecmoverther

          Sorry not true. Our oil production in this country was at its highest in 1971 at around 9mmm barrels. That is now down to just above 5mmm. That’s NOT and increase but a huge decrease. And it has gone down farther since obummer came to his reign.

          • Flashy

            Didn’t say highest…said increased. Check the CIA World factbook. Under this administration, production of oil has increased.

          • DaveH

            Flashy, as I said you need to cite references because your credibility is Nada on this site.
            From Wikipedia:
            “United States crude oil production has been declining since reaching a smaller secondary production peak in 1988 (caused by Alaskan production)”.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_the_United_States

          • Flashy

            CIA World factbook
            2007 = 8,457,000
            2009 = 9,056,000
            2010 (est.) = 9.688 million bbl/day

          • Flashy

            As i stated Dave in that response…check the CIA World factbook … what more of a source cite do you require?

          • DaveH

            Actually, Flashy, your statement of increase turns out to be correct, but your figures aren’t:
            http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=A

          • Flashy

            OK Dave..the CIA Worldfact book is wrong. I’ll let you inform them of their error …

          • DaveH

            And you can inform eia.gov that they’re wrong, Flashy. By the way, we only have your word (which isn’t worth much) on the CIA figures.

        • Aurelio

          You can rant all you want about big oil, you can lick all you want the green group’s asses, but the fact remains that if we as a country don’t stop eating so much manure, we are to lose our ability to defend ourselves and administer our own country. Solutions have nothing to do with the stupid partisanship that permeates the American mind nowadays.It is time to grow up.

          • Brian Schultz

            Holy crap…. Defend our country???? with the exception of 9-11 we havn’t defended our country since forever ago…. how is imposing our military might around the world defending our country??? are you really that blind? if we were defending our country we wouldn’t have let the republicans give away our Manufacturing infrastucture for the sake of money (by the way, this backfired because now the American middle class is out of work…. Note to the rich and powerful: maybe it is time to remember that the reason you are so rich in the first place is the AMERICAN WORKERS that built your empires.

            If we were DEFENDING our country Our Infrastructure would not be suffering- sorry not suffering- DESTROYED… look out your window and see the crumbling streets, bridges, highways, and public facilities…. Here is an old thought- instead of spending Billions and Billions of our TAx dollars Policing the world and Imposing our “way of Life” on others (which is another joke because as mentioned before we AMERICANS no longer can afford a way of life- peaceful and happy anyway- I don’t count going to work our bodies to the bone just to buy milk and eggs and maybe heat our homes as living), may be a little should be earmarked for the Infrastructure (but lets waste time blaming that on the President too) An M1 Abrams Tank ( the most powerful and advanced Tank in the world) costs 10′s of Millions of dollars per- the rest of the world will take 20 years to catch up to that level of technology ( oh yes, they don’t spend money on R&D we just sell them our old out of date crap) but yet we are spending Millions of dollars researching more powerful tanks… that makes tons of sense when I can look out and see homeless kids without shoes and food.

            If we were DEFENDING our country we would be making sure our Kids are getting a good education… I wonder if all the blowhards can figure out that you can’t give kids a good education when you cut funding to schools, fire all the teachers (hey do you people realize that the professional qualifications for teachers are far more complex than even doctors…. do you realize that the teaching profession is by far the MOST UNDERPAID, benefit imbalanced profession with the highest standards and STRESS of all professions….. It used to be that parents were responsible for their children and would be punished for disobedience or insubordination… Now our underpaid teachers cannot even tell a parent that their child is causing trouble- the teacher will be punished and/ or censored)… Brilliant way to keep our childrens’ educations up to par with the rest of the world.

            If we were DEFENDING our Country we would make sure that the Hard Working Americans are being taken care of…. why has the cost of goods and services continued to rise-scratch that, and replace with “gone through the roof’ since the 70′s but the wages have stayed the same (and I’m not talking about the ‘False hope’ of Minimum Wage because most Hard Working Americans Haven’t had anything to do with Minimum Wage since they were teenagers with their first jobs ( oh yeah, and those Hard Working Americans that worked their whole lives to build a comfortable retirement that were destroyed by the economic downfall of America and had to rejoin the workforce AT MINIMUM WAGE!!!!)

            I could go on but what is the point really, No one in government really wants to fix the problems of the masses… they would rather spend four years at a time with Bipartisan rhetoric and keep getting their checks…. (funny when the economy tanked I didn’t see any uber-rich Congressman/women offer to give back the money they have put in their bank accounts (I specifically don’t say earned because last I checked they were supposed to be working for US, THE CITIZENRY)….

            Oh yes, one more query that I would like answered- WHEN MY TAX DOLLARS WERE SPENT IN THE ‘GREAT BAILOUT’ OF THE BANKS/ AUTO MAKERS, WHY WERE THE BIGWIGS ALLOWED TO WRITE THEMSELVES 10 MILLION DOLLAR BONUS CHECKS???? I myself have worked for companies that had Bonus/ incentives but usually one had to Earn the Bonus- usually through positive productive performance. If you allowed your bank to go under how do you justify a bonus check for yourself???

          • Flashy

            We didn’t defend our country on 9-11. That was the issue…Bush/Cheney were either negligent, incompetent, or ….

            But they sure as heck didn’t defend this Nation. After 9-11, it is a fact they used it to attack this nation.

          • Brian Schultz

            hey flashy, not to be direspectful but perhaps you should actually read a full post before you make a ridiculous comment

          • Flashy

            Brian..I did. I as just commenting on your one statement i disagreed with. “with the exception of 9-11 we havn’t defended our country since forever ago…” i was correcting just that one comment. Our country was not defended on 9-11…that was the issue of how a bunch of thugs and criminals took down the WTC … Bush/Cheney admin ignored warnings, missed connecting dots, trusted the taliban in Afghanistan (true…Bush renewed aid to Afghanistan in July of ’01. Aid which Clinton had cut off)…

            The rest of your post I had no major disagreement with …

            Sorry for the confusion…

        • DaveH

          Why do you bother to go on at great lengths with your unsupported statements, Flashman, when you know you have no credibility at this site?
          It would behoove you to make far fewer claims and actually support those with references since you have been proven to be a liar so many times.

          • DaveH

            Here’s one I think is an outright lie from Flashman:
            “And you can also gripe about Big Oil buying and holding the patents for a high temperature ceramic engine which would burn grain alcohol at an efficient mpg”.
            If you’re going to make such outlandish claims, Flashman, back them up with references (if you can).

          • Flashy

            About ceramic engines or the patent holders of the more feasible designs? Ceramic engines can easily be found throughout many sites…I suggest beginning with Wikipedia and going from there. I’ll have to search around to locate the article(s) I have saved on patents. I guaranty you Dave..it won’t be Mises, and i’ll have read it. More than you can say …

          • DaveH

            Who are you kidding, Flashman? It certainly isn’t me. And I doubt that it is most of the other readers. They’ve seen your fabricated facts, lies, and personal attacks enough to know you have no credibility.
            The idiotic idea that a company would forgo billions of dollars of sales, when in fact it would take a decade or more to fully saturate just the wealthy US market with the wonder engines, just to sell more oil, is ludicrous to say the least.
            Also they’d be passing up half a billion of Free Taxpayer subsidies awarded to uneconomical “Green” companies.
            Only an ignorant Liberal can buy into such nonsense.

        • DaveH

          Flashy says “Our highways, freeways and bridges are a travesty. Check out your local area…bet you have dilapidated dangerous bridges and roads which aren’t being repaired”.
          So, what’s your solution, Flashman? More Government? We already have more than at any other time in our History except World War II.

          • Flashy

            I dunno Dave, I tend to be of the mind to replace and repair. If it were you, I figure you’d say “let ‘em fall down” …

          • Kinetic1

            American workers need jobs. Our infrastructure needs to be addressed. Is it so hard to accept the idea of our government hiring American workers to to do what needs to be done? Many of these people are collecting welfare, food stamps and medicare. Why not pay them a decent wage and give them the ability to support themselves? Not only will we have an improved and modernized nation, but the wages of the workers will translate into increased public spending and help turn the economy around.

          • Brian Schultz

            I didn’t really want to jump on the bash Flashy bandwagon BUT>>>>

            If you are going to quote references please use one that is reliable…. It is common knowledge that Wikipedia is NOT a RELIABLE source for information…. any ‘pedia’ that allows you to go in and change or edit an definition to suit your needs cannot be used as a reference…… For gosh sakes I went to wiki to see why the sky is blue and it said “because I said so”…lol

          • Flashy

            Brian…I believe I suggested starting with Wiki “and going from there”.

            Wiki is not always reliable, for the most part it is…and it is almost always a good starting point for reference material …

          • DaveH

            Kinetic says “Why not pay them a decent wage and give them the ability to support themselves?”. Because, Kinetic, that money comes from somebody else (the Private Sector) who would have made more efficient use of the money than Government does (by far).

          • DaveH

            Kinetic,
            You seem a cut above the average ignorant Liberal, so why don’t you educate yourself by reading this book:
            http://www.amazon.com/How-Capitalism-Saved-America-Pilgrims/dp/1400083311/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326313989&sr=8-1

            That is assuming of course that you aren’t in the Political Class and feathering your own nest at the rest of our expense.

          • DaveH

            Brian,
            Feel free to dispute Wikipedia’s facts. I welcome that.

          • Kinetic1

            DaveH,
            Part of our pact with the government, State or Fed, you choose is that they maintain the nation’s infrastructure. The taxes added to our gas are supposed to be there for highway maintenance. Our property taxes pay for public schools. Are you suggesting that we should privatize our infrastructure?

        • DaveH

          Flashman says “Fact is fact, no matter how much you want to ignore it. Staying addicted to coal and oil as our main energy source is not in our natrional security interests nor in our economic interests”.
          Get it straight, Flashman, it’s not in “your interests”. Leave the rest of us out of your illogical pronouncements.

          • Barbara

            Digesting all these pathetic communist comments makes me think that if I were you I wouldn’t insult my intelligence engaging these nit wits.

          • Flashy

            I was going to respond in depth…but if y’all think that staying reliant on oil and coal is a good thing for our economy and our national security…there’s not much anyone can do for you. May I suggest you consider a white coat with arms that buckle tight, a sound proof room with gentle music, and deep therapy …

          • DaveH

            Sure you were, Flashman. How can you go in-depth with such a shallow mind? If you had any in-depth knowledge you wouldn’t need to resort to the personal attacks.

          • Mike in MI

            My-oh-mee, fleshman -
            Your “in-depth” hasn’t never ever altered any surface tension yet. So, why tease us with greasy-kid-stuff that can break wind, but never do anything except skip across the reflection of a true discussion.

        • Kdee

          The PNW does not have an excess in electricity, the new wind farms were poorly planned. They built them with out building the power grid to support them. They assumed they could use the existing grid used by the dams. They didn’t do their homework so they failed to realize that when the dams are producing power the grid it’s filled to capacity. This means the wind farms me must be shut down since the grid belongs to the dams in the first place. Also, the hydroelectric power is way less expensive!

          • Flashy

            Ummm..the hydropower fills up the grid and the BPA cannot take any more current. They tell the producing wind generators to shut down because the grid can’t handle the additional electrical output.

            There are no blackouts in the NW from lack of power. PGE can shut down Boardman and not affect the supply.

            And wasn’t it last week the BPA was saying if it had the grid to California, it could send significantly more power down there and thus no need toshut down the wind farms?

            Hmmm..seems the lack of a modern expanded grid is the issue. And there wouldn’t be any excess to send south if the PacNW wasn’t awash in power now would there …

          • Mike in MI

            Oh-h-h-hoh, fleshman – check it out, for your own enlightenment:
            Under oblama-lama-ding-dong, is there any chance someone took up where ENRON left off…in libertine prograssive-illiterate, ignorant, unteachablely dull-witted Kalee-porn-itch-ya? Endrun sucked ‘em dry. Surely, any other halfwit could pre-pay fur a floop-pole.
            God, drop Kalee-porn-ya off’n da shelf an’ floadit ta Chiner where dey know what tado wid su’ schmucks.

  • wallace torbert, Phenix City, Al

    How about slander against the President..that count too?

    • Ted Crawford

      Slander Wallace? More like Defination of Character!

    • dave

      Spoken like a true died in the wool clueless idiot there mr torbert. You are the real definition of a communist!!!!

  • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

    You see the predicament Obumbler is in ; do you not? Muslim [Islam] is the religion of choice for his voter base; blacks are over whelmingly muslim,so he can not do his job of fighting radical Islam without angering his only supporters. What a pickle he is in.

    • wallace torbert, Phenix City, Al

      Blacks are Muslims? hahahhahaa

      • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

        i KNOW pHENIX cITY is located in another world;; but muslim [islam] are somewhat interchangeable [ cassius clay is now muhamid ali] get it; lew alcinder is karim abdul; get it? lewis farrakan is head of the temple of Isam, get it?

        • Flashy

          Yo Mr. Lee;

          Timothy McVeigh was a christian, Eric Rudolph was a christian, Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber was a christian. Charles Manson is chrsitian. And on and on.

          I believe it was Reagan, as he tried to legitmize US funding of the Contra butchers, who stated…”‘One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”

          When Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Weathermen, the Red Brigade, the IRA, Baader Meinhoff, etc were in vogue…were you in the front lines crying out for justice against “radical fundementalist christians” ?

          Fact of the matter is…it’s not religion except as christian fear mongerers want it to be. It’s the region. We work to eliminate once and for all the influence of oil in our economy…we diminish the region and walk away…and voila! no more ME terrorist issues for us to worry about except to protect Israel.

          • cawmun cents

            The name Barack Obama probably doesnt sound Islamic,but you may need an interpreter.
            The difference is that there is no evidence that you can bring that any of these other folks that you speak of was a Christian.
            There is however evidence that Barry Soetoro went to a Madras in Indonesia as a youth.
            That satify your question there Flashy?
            There is a reason that the Democrats picked a Jackass for their symbol,and you seem to be a prime example of that reason.
            -CC.

          • dave

            NO ONE that you listed above is in any way shape or form a christian!!!!! Lets get that straight right now!

          • Flashy

            I see…though they say they are of the christian faith, because you say they aren’t, they aren’t.

            BTW CC, that Madras lie is just that. a lie. That has been so disproven to state it as anything but a lie is lying.

          • Dntmkmecmoverther

            to Flashy: You are full of pure BS. Neither McVeigh, Rudolph nor Ted Kaczynski were Christian. They had anarchist minds at best. Kaczynski was a follower or admirer of Freud; hardly Christian. You must be a complete dunce or just a big liar.

          • Aurelio

            Listen moron, for one terrorist here in the west, you have three hundred freaking islamists, not counting the beheadings, the stonings the dismemberings and many other atrocities. Islam is a disease and you are sounding very ill!

          • DaveH

            Both Waco and Ruby Ridge were examples of Big Government gone awry:
            http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa395.pdf

          • DaveH
          • Flashy

            ” Dntmkmecmoverther says:
            You are full of pure BS. Neither McVeigh, Rudolph nor Ted Kaczynski were Christian. They had anarchist minds at best. Kaczynski was a follower or admirer of Freud; hardly Christian. ”

            Errr….have you read the Unabomber’s Manifesto? And BTW…Eric Rudolph not only set off bombs at the Olympics, he also bombed abortion clinics and made constant reference to his “christian beliefs”.

          • NC

            Flashy, I haven’t gone back to check this out but I seem to remember when bush refused to brand Arafat as a terrorist! I think he said something to the effect that he considered Arafat a man trying to the best he could for his people.Obviously that didn’t play well in Israel but bush must have been trying to win himself one of those Peace thingies like Jimmy! Didn’t happen so he went back to being incompetent!

    • Karolyn

      Are you kidding? Blacks are overwhelmingly Christian in this country!

      • cawmun cents

        According to Flashman,R.Smith,and many of the other detractors of Christianity on this blog,That would be like saying the Balck people are delusional.
        Do I need to throw the race card,or will you tell them Karolyn?
        -CC.

        • Flashy

          CC…to be precise, I am a detractor of organized religious cults. They serve no purpose other than divide, create conflict, and are a means invented to rule the masses.

          • Dntmkmecmoverther

            You are simply ignorant beyond a definition.

          • DaveH

            You belong to one of those cults, Flashman, the cult of Liberalism. It is actually worse than most Religious belief systems because it has proven to be a failure in Countries who have tried it, time after time. Yet the Liberals keep the faith, Hoping and Dreaming that doing the same thing over and over again will somehow result in a different outcome next time.

          • DaveH

            And talk about conflict, imagine how much more peaceful this country would be if Big Government wasn’t trying to legislate putting square pegs in round holes? One size does not fit all, and never will, but the Liberal Religion will keep on trying.
            Some day the blindered Liberal followers will awaken and realize that the Leaders are just using them for their votes. Once they achieve absolute power there will be no further need for the “useful idiots”. Those who have no skills after years of being on the dole will be the first to go.

          • John

            Dave, you need to learn the difference between a religion and a political ideology, a dictionary or a search on the internet will help you with that. This is the second time today that I see you making this type of declaration, first people that consider them self Christians are suddenly not Christian anymore because YOU say so.
            And now a political ideology is suddenly a religion because YOU say so… next you will declare black is really white and white is really black and we all better believe it because YOU say so….. right?

          • DaveH

            John says “first people that consider them self Christians are suddenly not Christian anymore because YOU say so”.
            Where did I say that, John?
            And Liberalism sure is a religion. It’s a belief system based on faith not facts, just like any religion. I don’t know why that’s so hard for you to understand.

          • John

            DaveH too many Dave’s, sorry,,, but still go do some research on political doctrine and the difference between a religion and a political ideology… the notion that liberalism depends on faith is nonsense ..its a cop-out just as any liberal could say conservatism is based on faith what of course is pure nonsense to. There is no established school of thought that is considering either liberalism or conservatism or even atheism a religion…besides some loon websites on the internet or the drug addicted shock jock on AM radio both who are totally inconsequential in the long run.

      • dave

        That is simply blatantly false!!!!!!!

      • Blue Devil

        Karolyn — You left out a word! Blacks in this country are overwhelmingly PROFESSING Christians. Are you old enough to remember the Watts riots? I was there!

        • Karolyn

          Semantics. Being Christian is in the eyes of the person professing to be one. Many would argue that many are not “true” Christians because of “blah-blah-blah,” however, what matters is what is in one’s own mind. I have seen people argue that Catholics are not Christians. I know that if you talked to any Catholics, they would get pretty po’d if anyone said that to them. The same goes for Muslims.

          • Blue Devil

            Karolyn — For the record, Karolyn, I AM Catholic!

          • DaveH

            Muslims are not Christians, Karolyn. They believe that Christ was a messenger of God, not his son.

          • Karolyn

            I know that, Dave!

          • Karolyn

            Blue – And? I WAS Catholic!

    • John

      The latest statistics (an easy search away) show clearly that Blacks were an estimated 9,7% of the US population in 2010. In 2010 all the Muslims in the US accounted for ~.98% of the population. This includes whites, Muslims of Asian decent, Muslims of mid east decent, and blacks.
      So, how you can claim that the majority of blacks is Muslim is not quite clear to me, unless you are speaking from blind fear and are making up stuff like so many others. One thing that is missing on this forum are facts…too many people repeat hearsay or what they read on some whack website that has an agenda.

  • wallace torbert, Phenix City, Al

    Maybe if big oil would quit sabotaging green technology by propaganda and back room payoffs green could offer some relief.

    I can’t see millions of more cars on the already congested roads where white knuckled drivers are captive hours a day going and returing from work.

    • Jagans

      I agree with you here Wally. If every commuter got only one other person to ride with them to work, it would cut traffic in half.The problem, as I see it is that we Americans are spoiled beyond beleif. We are so spoiled that we cannot see that we are destroying the very air we breathe and water we drink with this damn petroleum addiction. There are several simple things that could be done, but until it hurts enough in the wallet no one will do them. What about staggered start and quitting times? What about working from home??? Since we are probably the best connected country in the world, why do we have to travel an hour or so to work just to be connected to the same web we connect to at work???? Really stupid if you think about it.

    • dave

      The only person sabbatoging anything related to energy independence in this country is ovomit and his mignions who have blockaded every effort to to be energy independent and he continues to scam the american people with his solyndra style money laundering operations under the guise of green energy companies!!

      • Brian Schultz

        oh dave,

        please refer to my other replys-… Obama and or any President CAN NOT get anything done when the congress spends more time, no ALL of its time playing Republican vs. Democrat…THE POINT IS THEY ARE ELECTED INTO OFFICE TO WORK FOR US THE CITIZENRY OF THE UNITED STATES….. NOT SPECIAL INTERESTS AND OR BIG MONEY…. UNTIL THAT IS RESOLVED THERE WILL BE NO FIXING AMERICA AND IT IS REDUNDANT (AND STUPID I MIGHT ADD) TO BLAME THE PRESIDENT FOR ALL OF OUR WOES!!!

        • Honestly

          This president does his best to bypass Congress as often as he can.

          • Brian Schultz

            Technically, the last 22 presidents have bypassed congress as much as possible…. It would seem to me that the only time anything (good or bad) happens politically in this country is when a president bypasses congress.

            It seems an oxymoron but it would appear that that is the only way to get things done. does anyone else see the fact that congress can’t do anything for THE PEOPLE when they spend the whole time in office fighting bipartisan games…

            My open letter to congress and/ or the president would be quite simple:
            GET OFF YOUR ARSSES AND GET SOMETHING DONE FOR THE PEOPLE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR US….

            DIsgustedly signed,

            One of YOUR EMPLOYERS; A CITIZEN of These UNITED STATES

          • DaveH

            That’s what we elected them to do, Brian. We want them to stop the lawless thieving Liberals from helping themselves to our money, taking our Freedom, and ruining our country.
            If you want to see stoppage just watch what happens when the Conservatives try to roll back the size of our Leviathan Government. Oh, but that’s okay because it’s what you Liberals want.

        • DaveH

          How can Obama get anything done, Brian? This didn’t seem to stop him:
          http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/obamas-gulf-moratorium-blocked/

          • Brian Schultz

            DAve,
            please define “lawless, thieving, liberals…. stealing our money” I guess I am lost with these definitions as they don’t appear to me to be the ones I learned…. I guess I didn’t know that Ronnie Rayguns and the Bush’s Squared were ‘liberals’ actually I thought they were conservative.

            Is it Lawless thieving liberals that are Spending Billions of dollars on the military Machine?

            Who exactley are the thieving liberals that are trying to take away the Social Security Funds that I have been donating to for upwards of 40 years in hopes of having a small stipend to help me survive in retirement….. It seems to me that definitions are off kilter here because from what i see it is the “conservative” Republicans that are doing the damage.

            Please find me examples from our countries history where the Democrats social projects have bankrupted us (If you can…. I however can show that the republican “war Mongers” waste our money without even thinking about it.)

            Perhaps everyone should take note as I have that it is funny how many people want to blame the current administration for our woes. The ‘FACT” of the matter is that we were headed down this dark corridor of being Broke WAY BEFORE Obama came into office….. that people, is how politics work……lets make Obama the scapegoat for Bush Jr.s and cheneys rambunxious troublemaking……. then we won’t get anything done this term….. then the next president can take the Blame for Obama getting nothing done- the next president taking his share of the blame for the previous and so on, and so on, and so on……

            I apologize for stating a starkly simple truth here but if one takes an UNBIASED (meaning not republican or Democratic bullcrap) look at the recent US history it is easy to see that:

            Republicans take control of the government- The people are forgotten about, Millioneirs get richer, Big Business gets Bigger, the working class goes broke trying to keep food on the table, Domestic programs get cut due to ‘budget constraints’ But the military machine looms ever larger and spends 850 dollars on a 12 dollar toilet seat, Buys 10thousand 16dollar clawhammers for 86dollars each, and the US deficit (or Debt in common terms) grows larger.

            Then Democrats take over: spend 3/4 of their time trying to fix the republican caused deficit, Repairing social programs (because after all, the government is supposed to work for us people aren’t they?) setting up programs (like FDR’s Job Program for instance, conservation corps, Americorps etc…) to try to get America working again…. Yes they spend money too but the difference is that they are spending money trying to make America a better place where EVERYONE can live… NOT on a war Machine used to police the world and try to ‘convince all that our way is the right way… then the republicans do some mudslinging…

            And then the whole circle starts over again……..

            and the only ones that really suffer are the lower and middle class WORKERS who built this country in the first place.

            but Iguess this is enough as none of you people really listen or will do anything to make a difference anyway…. you will just keep making nonsensical arguments to spout ‘YOUR truth’ and Badmouth people that don’t think the way you do…

            I for one am looking for someplace safe to take my family to get away from all of this and ride out the APOCOlYPSE that is looming….. I am thinking tropical, Equitorial, and surrounded by trees to filter out poisons…. and I know that salvation isn’t in the US… that is for sure, not with all of you as neighbors (which in itself is another oxymoron because I lived in the midwest when the idea of neighbor and neighborhood died and fences were put up to keep the neighbors out- oh yes… by the way Ronnie Rayguns was president at that time.

      • Brian Schultz

        wow DAve,
        First, I don’t consider myself Liberal or Conservative, Anti christian or anything like that…I myself choose to disregard all that rhetorical crap.

        I consider myself a Hardworking, Born and Bred American (who can trace my roots back to Not only one of the Men who originally bought MAnhatten Islend from thenatives but also to the chippewa Indian Nation of the midwest).

        My bad for incorrectly (apparently) assuming that I/ we elect our congress to be OF THE PEOPLE/FOR THE PEOPLE and work for us. I will even say work for me. However, anyone that is not blind can see that “our” government does not work for us, They work for Big money, Special interests, and themselves.

        All of the Road taxes and a good percentage of all booze taxes were earmarked for sustaining our infrastructure- yet our roads and highways are crumbling…. how did that happen?

        People pay city taxes and property taxes to maintain our schools- yet our education system has crumbled- how did that happen.

        All of the industrial Machine of the US (except the military industrial complex) has been given away to foreign countries- even telemarketing- putting all of our middle/ lower class workers on the street and making them struggle to make sure they have milk for their kids. How did that happen?

    • Sol of Texas

      wall –

      At what age were you converted to socialism?

  • Mike

    Expecting Obama to quit sucking up to Muslims/Islam is like expecting a rattlesnake to not be poisonous. How can he not suck up to them when he is one himself. He just isn’t man enough to admit it is all.

    • Ron S

      In the cult muslim world it is ok to lie as long as it isnt to another muslim.So he could care less.He definitly is a muslim!

      • Jay

        When one understands the true definition of Religion, and further understands, that all Religious organizations, contain the ingredients, which, can be manipulated to transform them into a cult, including Christianity, will cease and desist, in pointing an accusatory finger at any in particular! Is Islamic fundamentalism dangerous? Yes! As is Christian fundamentalism, in all of its myriad of disguises! And behind them all, is enthroned “fallen man”, playing God over the masses!

        • Karolyn

          Amen, Jay.

          • Smilee

            DITTO

      • Flashy

        Then I guess the entire broadcast crew of FoxMcnews is muslim? As well as every televangelist out there today?

        Interesting …

        • cawmun cents

          I had you pegged right from the beginning,Flashy.
          You must be a masochist,you always stick around for the abuse.-CC.

        • John

          Flashy,
          Yes and no.
          Fox is a very interesting phenomena in news broadcasting.
          On one hand, Murdoch is conservative and FOX news is tailoring the interests of this news outlet toward the conservative/ republican viewers with quite a slant and by twisting the news just enough to fall within its agenda. Do they lie? Of course they do, just as all other news outlets lie and twist facts just enough to appease its viewers and to get the highest ratings. Ratings are money..and FOX News is not in the business to be patriotic or tell the truth but to make money pure and simple.
          News is and always was dependent on the view point. Anything that happens in this world can be presented from several different viewpoints and all of them can be actually right although they say something totally different. If you look at different news stations, you will see that the basic of all news is always the same but the ideology to present them is different.As an example take a Muslim suicide bombing. Station A will say: there was a terrorist suicide bombing that claimed X casualties. Station B will say: There was a Muslim suicide bombing that claimed X casualties, and station C will say: today one of our martyrs made a statement that destroyed X unbelievers….. All 3 stations are 100% right within their own ideology and perspective.

          Now, here is the twist to this though.

          Fox News is also owned by the Saudi Wahhabi Muslims. A sect of Islam that is enemies not only with the Shia Muslims (Iran and others) but also has enemies within the Sunni Muslims (such as Pakistan ,Saddam’s Iraq and others. They use FOX news as a propaganda tool to vilify the rest of the Muslim world. And thus FOX gets a double win in its rating. They get the conservatives / republicans that they pander to, and they get the independent and part of the left that is afraid of Muslims.
          It is a very interesting Business model (

          • Jay

            John, you stated: Fox News is also owned by the Saudi Wahhabi Muslims.

            John, this is news to me. I’ve searched to confirm your statement, but was unsuccessful. Can you post a source for us that will confirm your above statement? TY

          • Flashy

            Very intersting about FOX. FOX has consistently been rated as having the most uninformed and misinformed viewership of any network…

            Yes, I’d want the source for that ownership interest as well.

          • John

            Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud of Saudi Arabia, through his Kingdom Holding Company, owns 7% of News Corp.’s shares, making Kingdom Holdings the second largest shareholder.[34][35][36]

            Simple search on the internet.. search for Saudi ownership of Fox news.

          • Flashy

            (guffaw) Hear that mass groan in the background? That’s from the extremist right posters as they realize you just provided me future reference. LOL …

            Hokayyy…now what was that you guys were saying about muslims brainwashing by flooding the viewing public with misinformation to divide this nation and bring it down?

          • John

            Flashy,
            If anyone would do a detailed research on the Saudi investments in the US they would find that they have very large shares sometimes controlling shares in many companies we would considering US companies. Shave in the morning using a Gillette razor or other Proctor & Gamble product? You just made the Prince richer, Buy your kids a snack at McDonald’s? Saudi Arabia thanks you, buy a Ford vehicle? Saudi Arabia just made money, Drink a coke or consume a coke product? The price said thank you, watch Fox news via Time Warner Cable…His majesty is thankful to you…and the list goes on. Many economists openly call the prince the front man for other Saudi factions. He is an interesting person to study.

          • DaveH

            Flashy says “Very intersting about FOX. FOX has consistently been rated as having the most uninformed and misinformed viewership of any network”.
            Sure, Flashy, and you no doubt can back that up?
            If you are an example of an MSM viewer, then the readers have all the evidence they need to know you’re full of it.
            You have no credibility, Flashman:
            http://www.personalliberty.com/asset-and-wealth-protection/preserving-wealth/what-now/#comment-439910

          • Flashy

            Keep using that link Dave…I explained it several times…and at the time I was suspended because I became a tad bit too heated in demanding livingston own up to the error. But you can have it your way for whatever giggles you get.

            BTW…you want at least one source for FOX viewers being the most uninformed? Here’s one of seven studies…from Forbes magazine (let me guess, you’re going to claim Forbes to be a liberal front)

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/

  • skippy

    NICE letter Mr. Myers!
    Be assured you are not alone in your feelings!

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    He is a CS traitor.

  • Bill

    I’d rather have a Muslum president than a Mormon. Few Americans know about this “CULT”. No mormon would ever fight for America unless FORCED to by draft. In Vietnam no soldier would ever fight alongside a mormon. If wounded, no mormon would come to your aid. I saw this personally. Mitt was a draft dodger, who spent the war years in a French castle.

    • Brian Schultz

      BILL,
      I MYSELF BELIEVE THAT ALL OF THE “ORGANIZED” RELIGIONS ARE CRAP… BUT AS TO THIS SPECIFIC POST OF YOURS… I HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY CALL BUL#%$T ON THIS ONE….. THE MOST HIGHLY DECORATED ‘CHAPLAIN’ IN THE VIETNAM WAR WAS “MORMON” CHAPLIAN CLAUDE NEWBY… AND AS FAR AS IT GOES GRUNTS IN VIETNAM FOUGHT WITH EACH OTHER AND PROTECTED EACH OTHER AS BROTHERS REGARDLESS OF FAITH… AT LEAST UNTIL THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA TURNED ON THEIR OWN DEFENDERS AND SPAT ON THEM AND CALLED THEM BABY KILLERS IN LATE’68–RACIAL TENSIONS/ RELIGIOUS TENSIONS IN THE FIGHTING MILITARY WAS CAUSED BY INCOMPETENCE ON THE HOME FRONT…. PURE AND SIMPLE

      • Blue Devil

        Brian — There are no atheists in a foxhole!

        • John

          Oh yes there are, bin there, have experienced it… this is but a cliche that has NO truth in reality.

        • Blue Devil

          john — Been there, done that! I have a Purple Heart with an Oak Leaf Cluster.

  • Bill

    I repeat, mormons believe only mormons go to heaven, soooooo,,,,,,,,

    • IKE

      BILL
      ALL RELIGIONS SAY IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE AS I DO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HEAVEN . SOME SAY IT IS OK TO KILL YOU NON BELIEVRS.

      • Brian Schultz

        IKE, I AM GOING TO LOVE THIS SITE MORE AND MORE BECAUSE OF POSTS LIKE THIS….I AM ASSUMING BY YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU ARE IN SOME WAY CHRISTIAN…SO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU READ THE TOME IN WHICH YOU BELIEVE AGAIN. THIS BOOK AS WELL AS THE OTHER “GREAT BOOKS” OF RELIGION SPECIFICALLY SAY- “THAT YOU ARE NOT TO JUDGE OTHERS” AND ALSO THAT “THE PEOPLE ARE/ OR SHALL BE ALLOWED TO BELIEVE HOWEVER THEY WANT AS LONG AS THEY BELIEVE SOMETHING”

        THE TRULY SAD THING IS THAT THIS WORLD WOULD BE A FAR BETTER PLACE IF PEOPLE WOULD QUIT MISINTERPRETING A BOOK/ AND/OR BOOKS THAT CLEARLY DEFINE HOW PEOPLE CAN BE GOOD AND HOW THE HUMAN RACE ITSELF CAN BE GOOD IF THEY/ IT FOLLOWS SIMPLE TENENTS…

        LAUGHABLE IT IS THAT THE RELIGION THAT MOST FAMOUSLY TOUGHTS THE ‘TEN COMMANDMENTS’ IS THE MOST GUILTY OF BREAKING THEM IN THE NAME OF RELIGION (HISTORICAL FACT- MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED OR PERSECUTED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST THAN BY ANY OTHER FORMAL RELIGION KNOWN TO EARTHS HISTORY…. AND CHRIST PREACHED PEACE AND LOVE)

        • DaveH

          Oh, Brian, that’s a historical fact?
          Then you should have no trouble providing a reference for us.
          By the way, if you want people to listen to you, you need to quit yelling.

          • Brian Schultz

            Dave,

            First I don’t feel that I am yelling when I use capitals, I am emphasizing a point since you cant change fonts or italicize when posting (as far as I have figured out so far)…. so I apologize for my PC ineptness.

            Second references as to how many the catholics have killed…. really is that necessary?

            See: Spanish Inquisition
            See: Roman Catholisism
            See: the birth of the protestant religion and the reasons thereof

          • Brian Schultz

            Also, see the (mutiple) crusades…. this should provide you with more than enough references

    • Jay

      The leadership of the Mormon Church theocracy requires religious obedience from members and teaches them that individuals need not think for themselves concerning church doctrine as taught by the Church Authorities. Even in areas of non-church affairs, such as politics and economics, the church hierarchy expects members to follow its directions. This is shown by the church’s involvement in defeating the Equal Rights Amendment in 1982 as well as in numerous other church-led political activities. In addition, the church has disproportionate influence in such governmental departments as the FBI, the CIA, and the FCC (Federal Communications Commission).

      The Mormon Church theocracy is also gaining influence in Congress with the election of greater numbers of Mormon members. Church influence is obvious in the lobbying of congressional members to support Mormon programs and to vote for laws that further their goals. Church hierarchy involvement is apparent in all aspects of government, including the Supreme Court, as shown by the church’s filing of a legal brief with the court, opposing a New Jersey Supreme Court ruling that would prevent the National Boy Scout organization from excluding gays from Boy Scout groups. (St. George Spectrum, April 27, 2000)

      “Ronald Reagan truly admired the Latter-day Saints. His administration included more members of the Church than any other American president, ever. Three of us, David Fischer, Gregory Newell and I, served on his personal White House staff. Richard Wirthlin was his chief strategist. Ted Bell served as Secretary of Education, Angela Buchanan was Treasurer, Rex Lee was Solicitor General. His White House included Roger Porter, Brent Scowcroft, Richard Beal, Blake Parish, Jon Huntsman Jr., Dodie Borup and Rocky Kuonen, and there were many other Latter-day Saints throughout his Administration. President Thomas S. Monson served on a Presidential Commission on Volunteerism. Others were ambassadors. LDS senators and representatives were held in special regard, and the Tabernacle Choir was his special inaugural guest.” -Stephen M. Studdert, Special Assistant to President Reagan
      Source: “President Reagan respected Church,” Church News

      Mormon theocracy regards the President (or Prophet) of the church to be infallible, and they believe that he has direct communication with God, therefore can do no wrong or make a mistake. Members believe that Church Authorities (fourteen apostles in addition to the president of the church) are also infallible. There is no democracy in the decision making of the church, since all appointments from the highest to the lowest offices in the church are made under the umbrella of the church president. If the Mormon Church were to gain control of the United States, there would be no secret ballot election of congressional representatives, no secret ballot election of state legislators, nor for local governmental officials. All of these officials would be appointed by the President of the Mormon Church, with assistance from other church officials.

      The organizational and functional aspects of the plan to control the United States are already in place in many Mormon communities. Doctors, dentists and lawyers in these communities are overwhelmingly members of the Mormon Church. They have been indoctrinated from birth in the tenants and beliefs of the Mormon Church, and many attended Brigham Young University where further indoctrination occurred. Many of these professionals are assuming leadership positions in the church and are ready to take on additional responsibilities if “called” by the church hierarchy.

      • Jay

        Latter Day Saint political history

        Currently in office

        U.S. Senate
        Mike Crapo, (R-Idaho)[199]
        Orrin Hatch, (R-Utah)[199]
        Dean Heller, (R-Nevada)
        Mike Lee, (R-Utah)[199]
        Harry Reid, senate majority leader, (D-Nevada)[199]
        Tom Udall, (D-New Mexico)[199]

        U.S. House of Representatives
        Rob Bishop, (R-Utah)[199]
        Leonard Boswell, (D-Iowa), Community of Christ[200]
        Jason Chaffetz, (R-Utah)[199]
        Eni Faleomavaega, nonvoting delegate (D-American Samoa)[199]
        Jeff Flake, (R-Arizona)[199]
        Wally Herger, (R-California)[199]
        Raúl Labrador, (R-Idaho)[199]
        Jim Matheson, (D-Utah)[199]
        Buck McKeon, (R-California)[199]
        Mike Simpson, (R-Idaho)[199]

        Governors
        Gary Herbert, (R-Utah)[199]
        [edit]Past office holders
        [edit]U.S. Senate
        Bob Bennett, (R-Utah, 1993–2010)[201]
        Berkeley Bunker, (D-Nevada, 1940–42)[202]
        Howard Cannon, (D-Nevada, 1959–83)[203][204]
        Jake Garn, (R-Utah, 1974–93) [203]
        Paula Hawkins, (R-Florida, 1981–87)[205][206]
        William H. King, (D-Utah, 1917–1941)[207]
        Frank E. Moss, (D-Utah, 1959–77) [203]
        Gordon Smith, (R-Oregon, 1997–2009)[208]
        Reed Smoot, (R-Utah, 1903–33)[209]
        Elbert Duncan Thomas, (D-Utah, 1933–51)[210]

        U.S. House of Representatives
        Hamer Budge, (R-Idaho, 1951–1961)[211]
        John Milton Bernhisel, (Utah Territory)[212]
        John Doolittle, (R-California, 1991–2009)[213]
        Jim Gibbons, (R-Nevada, 1997–2006)[214]
        George Hansen, (R-Idaho, 1965–69, 1975–85) [215]
        Ralph Harding, (D, Idaho, 1961–65)[216]
        Ernest Istook, (R-Oklahoma, 1993–2007)[217]
        David S. King, (D-Utah, 1959–63, 1965–67)[218]
        Howard Nielson, (R-Utah, 1983–91)[219]
        Wayne Owens, (D-Utah, 1973–75, 1987–93)[203][220]
        Norman D. Shumway, (R-California, 1979–1991)[221]
        Richard Stallings, (R-Idaho, 1985–93)[222]
        Richard Swett, (D-New Hampshire, 1991–95)[223]
        Morris King Udall, (D-Arizona, 1961–91)[221]
        Stewart Udall, (D-Arizona, 1955–61) [203]

        Governors
        John Evans, (D-Idaho, 1977–1987)[224]
        Jim Gibbons, (R-Nevada, 2007–11)[214]
        Jon Huntsman, Jr., former governor of Utah and 2012 GOP Presidential candidate.
        Mike Leavitt, (R-Utah, 1993–2003)[225]
        George Romney, (R-Michigan, 1963–69)[226]
        Mitt Romney, (R-Massachusetts, 2003–2007), 2008 and 2012 GOP Presidential candidate.[227]

        Cabinet officers, ambassadors and senior administration officials
        Terrel Bell, Secretary of Education (1981–85)[203][228]
        Ezra Taft Benson, Secretary of Agriculture (1953–61)[229]
        Angela Buchanan, Treasurer of the United States (1981–83)[203][230]
        J. Reuben Clark, undersecretary of state, U.S. ambassador to Mexico[203][231]
        David M. Kennedy, secretary of treasury (1969–71); ambassador to NATO (1972–73) [203]
        Mike Leavitt, Secretary of Health and Human Services (2005–2009); Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency[225]
        Rex Lee, United States Solicitor General (1981–85) [203]
        Ivy Baker Priest, Treasurer of the United States (1953–61) [203]
        George Romney, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (1969–73)[226]
        Richard Swett, U.S. Ambassador to Denmark (1998–99)[223]
        Stewart Udall, Secretary of Interior (1961–69)[203]

        Other
        Eldridge Cleaver, Black Panther leader, author of “Soul on Ice”, candidate for President (1968) for Peace and Freedom Party
        Brent Coles, mayor of Boise, Idaho[232]
        Marriner S. Eccles, chairman of Federal Reserve Board (1934–48)[233]

        Politicians outside the United States
        Brian Adam, Scottish National Party member of the Scottish Parliament for Aberdeen Donside [234]
        Grant Hill, former member of the Canadian Parliament for Macleod, (1994–2004)[235]
        Jim Hillyer, member of the Canadian Parliament for Lethbridge, (2011–)[236]
        Keiko Itokazu, member of the Japanese Diet[237]
        Jeffrey Max Jones, former National Action Party Senator representing Chihuahua, Mexico, (2000–06)[238]
        Terry Rooney, former Labour member of the British House of Commons for Bradford North, (1990–2010)[239]
        David Rutley, Conservative member of the British House of Commons for Macclesfield[240]
        Frederik Samuelsen, former member of the Danish Rigsdag (1906–18)[241]
        Nathan Eldon Tanner, member of the legislative assembly of Alberta, Canada (1935–1952); speaker of the legislature (1936–1937) and minister of lands and mines[242]
        Moroni Bing Torgan, former of the Brazilian Chamber of Deputies, (1991–95, 1999–2003)
        Cindy Ady, member of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta, for the Progressive Conservative, since 2001[
        Broyce Jacobs, member of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta, for the Progressive Conservative, between 2001-2004 and then since 2008 (to present)[245]
        Rob Anderson (politician), member of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta, for the Wildrose Alliance, since 2008
        Paul Hinman, member of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta, for the Wildrose Alliance, since 2009, previously 2004-2008. He was also party leader between 2005 and 2009.[246]

        • Jay

          Presidents of the LDS Church (Chronological)
          Joseph Smith, Jr., church founder, also mayor of Nauvoo, Illinois.
          Brigham Young, also Utah territorial governor
          John Taylor, also member of Utah territorial legislature
          Wilford Woodruff, also member of Utah territorial legislature
          Lorenzo Snow, also member of Utah territorial legislature
          Joseph F. Smith, also member of Utah territorial legislature
          Heber J. Grant, also member of Utah territorial legislature
          George Albert Smith
          David O. McKay
          Joseph Fielding Smith
          Harold B. Lee
          Spencer W. Kimball
          Ezra Taft Benson, also U.S. Secretary of Agriculture
          Howard W. Hunter
          Gordon B. Hinckley, also Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient
          Thomas S. Monson

          • Jay

            Mormons in Business

            Nolan D. Archibald, CEO of Black & Decker
            Alan Ashton, co-founder and former CEO of WordPerfect Corporation
            Sheri Dew, CEO of Deseret Book, the largest Latter-day Saint book publisher
            David Eccles (businessman)
            Jon Huntsman, Sr.
            J.W. “Bill” Marriott, Jr., chairman and CEO, Marriott International
            J. Willard Marriott
            Larry H. Miller, businessman and owner of the Utah Jazz
            David Neeleman, founder of JetBlue Airways[92] and Azul Brazilian Airlines
            Kevin Rollins, former CEO of Dell, Inc.
            George W. Romney, former chairman and president of American Motors Company
            Greg Miller, businessman and owner of the Utah Jazz
            Caron Taurima, business woman, founder and former CEO of Carich (New Zealand)
            Pete Harman, first franchisee of KFC
            James LeVoy Sorenson, founder of Sorenson Companies
            Kay R. Whitmore former-CEO of Eastman Kodak
            Gary Crittenden FORMER CFO OF SEARS ROEBUCK AND COMPANY, MONSANTO COMPANY, AMERICAN EXPRESS AND CITIGROUP.

      • Deerinwater

        It’s my belief that any person that feels it necessary for the church to stand between you and your “Creator” is misguided and a weak link in any chain.

        Where you received your enlightenment does not in it’s self validate your enlightenment but only offers a point of reference.

      • Jagans

        Gee, sounds a lot like Catholicism. The Pope is infallable, take everything on faith. Jesus was divinely conceived. Hey, what about his brothers and sisters that history and archeology tells us he had????

        I hate to say this, because I beleive in the existence of a devine entity, but mankind has bastardized the teachings of every prophet since the beginning of time for their own financial gain, or in some cases for their own perverted desires. I mean really, look at the Spanish inquisition, or the burning and drowning of witches.

        Great choice, if you drown, well you werent a witch, but you are dead anyway. If you live, you are a witch, so you get burned at the stake. Talk about a catch 22.

        I am amazed that God continues to put up with humans at all. From the posts I read here and elsewhere, Humans as a whole are becoming more graceless, less tolerant, and more ignorant by the hour, and technology is making it worse not better. How many times have you seen the words to, too, and two misused lately??? Grammer 101 right? but as long as you spell it right the spell checker dosent pick it up so it must be correct, right?

    • Karolyn

      Mormons believe there are different levels you go to. Also, as another poster said, all religions believe the same thing.

  • sonnieC

    Obama is no good for our country and the one’s that think he is is as bad as this so called president Obama.

  • Robert Laity

    “MR.President” is a title that Obama is NOT entitled to:
    http://www.thepostemail.com/09/17/2010/there-is-no-president-obama/

    • Flashy

      You are correct. He earned it, we gave it to him, and we’ll wisely give it to him until early 2017.

      No one is ‘entitled’ to the title.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        …not likely.

  • sonnieC

    Ho Ho Ho

    • NC

      SonnieC, when have I heard that “Ho Ho Ho” before? Now I remember, it was just before President Obama was elected the first time. If “mind changing Mitt” is the best you have, November can’t come soon enough!! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

  • OkieRon

    America is *$$-kissing Middle Eastern/Islamic nations, as it ALWAYS has (Don’t forget the pic of Little Donnie Rumsfeld smiling and yukking it up with our old friend/arch-enemy Saddam Hussein. He was sent there back during “Mourning In America” by our Savior, “Dutch” Reagan, to hand out weapons of mass destruction to Iraq. No wonder we thought they had WMD’s–we gave ‘em to the Iraqis! Go figure!)–is that we’re addicted to oil, and everyone knows you don’t get up in the face of your pusher-man if you’re a junkie. The sad little lie behind everything is that our entire way of life is unsustainable–which is why it’s better we blame each other, hate each other, piss on the President, rather than face the ugly truth. Our way of life only worked because we were 5% of the world, sucking down 20% of it’s resources. What we run our cars on ain’t the problem, but it makes for a good sound bite for stupid people to get whipped up on. The real problem: Plastics. Synthetics. The crap we build our Gameboys and Wiis out of, then shovel ‘em into the landfill to upgrade from version 2.0 to version 2.5, y’know? The amount of oil we put in our gas tanks is NOTHING when you consider that it takes 7 gallons of petroleum to make each tire on your car….and 5 calories of petroleum for every calorie of food that we truck from one end of the country to the other so people can have fresh bananas…the oil that goes into fertilizers to feed the burned-up moonscape we call Agribusiness, where, if you pump into the ground the same stuff that Timothy McVeigh blew up the federal building with–fossil fuel and fertilizer–we can grow “miracle genetically modified”, nutrient-deficient, fat-building corn products to line the pockets of CEOs even as our kids are blowing up like feed-lot cattle. And you can’t save and re-plant ANY of those seeds, they’re built to self-destruct so we all have to go back to Monsanto and Cargill with our hands out and beg them to feed us. And now the Godless Chinese want to ape and mock our miracle life by wanting all the crap that we rammed down their throats as the vision of What Jesus Gives You If You’re a Righteous American…and conservative estimates indicate that if they get the “American Way of Life”, we’ll need another planet and a half in 30 years just to keep them in the plastics and gasoline it takes to look like Americans. So, rather than face that, by all means let’s waste time/energy giving Obama his “Waterloo” and keep on stuffing our faces with Mickey-D’s and driving our fat-ass gas guzzlers down the block to pick up diet pills ’cause we’re too lazy to walk–hey, these colors don’t run! That way we can blame and hate each other right till the end and we won’t know what hit us–we’ll just assume our demise came at the hand of some new mysterious Obama-Kenyan-Islamo-Voodoo-CommuNaziHomoSocialist Plot–rather than dying by our own stupid, short-sighted greed.

    • Walt

      Hey Okie, try breaking up your thoughts into “paragraphs”…easier to read. Just a friendly suggestion.

      • Sol of Texas

        Yeah … that’s quite a rant!

      • OkieRon

        ‘Sorry about the text blocking, there…for some reason when I double spaced return, it didn’t break into paragraphs. I apologize for the difficulty in reading.

    • Maryland Freestater

      OkieRon,

      What’s your point?

      Seriously, you’re right and wrong at the same time. You should NOT be vilifying Americans because of our consumption practices – if it wasn’t available then it couldn’t be purchased (‘build it and they will come’). Part of the problem is that we appear to be steered towards poor choices: EG, I live in suburban Maryland and commute 26 miles one-way to work every day. the DC Metro doers not extend far enough to make it feasible to ride to work, and additionally it costs $12 / day to ride. My car gets 40 mi/gal., and costs $3.50 /day to drive.

      If the local governments weren’t so involved in liberal permissivist social programs (needle-sharing and free cellphones in Md., endemic corruption in DC) then someone with a little foresight would hire DisneyCo. to establish monorails to feed the entire DC/Baltimore Metro systems into each other. If anybody knows how to move people rapidly and efficiently, it’s Disney.

      Energy: SCREW conservation and I sincerely mean that! Our planet is bathed in more energy daily than Mankind has generated in a thousand years. Or ‘Tesla-power’, inductive /electromagnetic generation of ambient energy of all sorts. What is ‘greener’ than transducing ambient energy from the environment? Why isn’t there research being done into true alternative energy sources? Energy just waiting to be harvested.

      Sir, believe it or not there is a ‘dark hand’ behind many of the problems we’re experiencing: and if both Americans and the planet do not wake up very soon, we’re in for hell on earth for real. So don’t blame your political and philosophical opposites for our problems – united we stand, divided we fall – and we’re rapidly being divided for a host of reasons for which we shouldn’t.

      Sorry to metaphysically soapbox, and I hope you can prove me wrong…

      • OkieRon

        I understand your idea about letting Disney build the commuter rail system between Baltimore and D.C. and I think it’s great…but it hits at the heart of the ideological rigidity of the far right stance–and has little bearing on reality, unfortunately. Left to their own devices, Disney would NEVER build a light rail system. Reason? They are capitalists, not community servants. They answer to their shareholders, not the American people. And their job is not to build things, but to turn things into cash. If in the process of doing that, they happen to make something we can use, well, that’s okay too.

        Nothing personal, it’s just capitalism.

        Sometimes the common good and capitalism come to the same end, but frequently not…taking the Cheney Tax Cuts and liquidating them into credit-default-swaps and derivatives trading rather than becoming beneficent “job creators” is exactly why CEOs saw their salaries blow up by over 350% since the 1970s while real wages among the former middle class haven’t increased at all.

        In fact, they figured out that, rather than waste their money raising employees real wages for the feces class (what I call the non-yacht buyin’ former middle class), they could simply create a credit economy and LOAN the employees the money for the American Dream and make money over again by charging them interest. Then in the ultimate smirky, snarky, Enron-screwin’ its employees into buying company stock the day before they closed the doors and fired everybody, the “1%” has you guys on here kicking each other for your failure to rise out of the credit economy that they built–they planned on you owing money to the company store rather than raising your wages, and if they can shame you for your predicament that’s even better. It’s why GM began making more money from GMAC financing in the ’80s even while they were building progressively crappier cars. They weren’t making anything. They were just making money on making money. There’s no incentive to build things if they can keep laundering their money in circles and turning it into cash.

        Similarly, when it comes to the much-vaunted “Energy Security”…we can kill the polar bears, club the seals, and shoot the mountain lions, and give every square inch of America over to the oil companies to drill-baby-drilla, and NONE of that parting with our crude beneath our feet will reduce the price of gasoline at the pumps by one penny in real money. Why? Because capitalism dictates that our Christian Oil Providers (BP, Royal Dutch Shell, et al) are mandated by law to take our oil and sell it on the world market to the highest bidder.

        And I promise you, for the rest of the future of petroleum development, China, India, Pakistan, and the other 3/5ths of the world will be the highest bidder. Why? Because Madison Avenue has beaten them over the heads for generations getting them to want our lifestyle and abandon their own. That’s why I cited statistical reference to the fact that we, the west, are 5% of the world’s population, and we’re using 20% of its resources. DO. THE. MATH. Short of a global die-off that will make the Black Death look like a hangnail, the rest of the developing world has every intention of outbidding us for our resources, unless we were to somehow mandate that these international oil companies would be required to sell American oil only in America.

        That would be Big Government intervention, and we could never do that. (In fact, I just threw up in my mouth a little saying those words.)

      • OkieRon

        Oh, and similarly, Tesla energy may be real, but since capitalism dictates that the first responsibility of capitalists is to launder money, left to their own devices, corporations historically NEVER take the risks to make the big leaps in technology.

        The automobile industry made a fortune off of America’s love of the automobile, but when the CommuNaziHomoSocialist America-hating, Al-Qaeda loving evilduer Dwight Eisenhower pushed through the Interstate Highway Act in the 1950s, the rabid right c-r-o-w-e-d that he was destroying America, wasting America’s money on a communist plan to link our traffic and commerce together in a vast, government-controlled network of highways–using taxpayer dollars to tie the country together in a boondoggle of massive proportions–which they proceeded to make money hand-over-fist after it was done and they stopped bitching about it. And none of their dire prophecies about socialism taking over our roadways happened.

        Similarly, if you live in rural America and are able to log on to personalliberty.com and pray here for the President’s death, I reallllly hate to tell you this, but you can’t thank America’s corporations for giving you that opportunity; you have to thank another filthy, communist-takeover liberal (*gag*), Lyndon Johnson, and the New Deal (*gag*, again) for introducing and passing the Rural Electrification Act of 1937, while the rabid right prayed for FDR’s death and, again, crowed that American taxpayers shouldn’t be coddling the rural population. Corporate America railed against the Big Government spending, since our Christian Corporations had decided long ago that it would be a waste of money to give electricity to a bunch of dumb crackers out in the country.

        I could go on–Big Government wasteful spending partnered with the University of Pennsylvania on a socialist boondoggle called ENIAC–the grandfather of the computer you’re using to curse Big Government on.

        Big Government socialist spending on ARPANET created the linked computer network that was eventually turned over to the private sector–who had no intention of ever cooperating together on such a project–and that became the internet. Who invented it? Al Gore? Well, him, and you, and me, and our parents and grandparents. They built that out of our taxes, because the unity of direction and economy of scale allowed us to push together toward that one goal, in partnership. We’re so dumb we think the corporations just magically gave us all that through the miracle of greed.

        Hmm. GPS, All of the derivative technologies from the aerospace industry, they all are the result of the work, not of Big Corporate–who doesn’t answer to you and me–but Big Government–with Big Corporate always whining about the creeping socialism of it and then cashing in big when it hits paydirt. It’s how our entire way of life has been built, but I doubt you’ll hear Lord Limbaugh or Lady Ann owning up to any of that.

        I’ll be the first to tell you that Socialism and it’s religion was/is a failure. The last of the 20th Century proved that. I just wonder if the first of the 21st Century is going to prove that the religion of greedy capitalism is just as big a failure. We made the mistake of turning an economic model into a religion with a penchant for burning heretics, and in the end it may destroy us all.

        We need to find a third way. We’ve done it in the past, but as we’ve shortened up on book-learnin’ and gunned up and angered out, I fear we may be cutting ourselves to pieces right at the point where the only thing to save us will be a willingness to work together and compromise. Historian Shelby Foote said that it was always America’s genius to find compromise.

        He added that, the last time that genius failed, we ended up destroying the nation in a civil war.

        I have no doubt the Confederacy Party (formerly Republican Party) will succeed in handing Obama his Waterloo. It’s the first thing they said when he was elected, and everything they’ve worked for has the goose-steppy focus of acheiving that goal. With the rush to the gun stores and murmuring darkly about “second amendment remedies”, I have every confidence that if Obama wins the election, they’ve set the stage to take with the bullet what they lose with the ballot.

        It’s too bad, we could’ve had better. But, I guess that’s what you get when you glorify Beavis and Butthead as heroes and say people who read books are “elitist” enemies.

    • cawmun cents

      Someone forgot his shock treatments and Prozac this morning,didnt they?
      -CC.

    • Steve

      Brevity, good sir, brevity.

  • meher

    It is not Saudi Arab alone Americans in general and this president in particular is trying to appease.Look at Pakistan another Muslim country where America is spending billions of dollars out of Americans hard earned money.Of what use?This money is virtually going down the drain.Pakistan is another ungrateful country.When America tries to reduce the aid, they black-mail USA and go to China as if to ridicule Americans.They harbored Osama Bin Ladan who was being vigorously pursued by USA.But still Pakistan is getting the same treatment.Why USA cannot tell Pak that enough is enough and Pak must mend its ways to get more aid?

  • Ron S

    He should take that bimbo wife and 2 daughters,get on that muslim flying magic carpet of his and jet on over to saudi arabia and stay there.God Bless America

    • NC

      Ron, is it OK if Obama waits for the bush jet that took the bush Muslim buddies back to Saudi Arabia on 9/11? The one full of bin Ladens!!
      Do you know if bush’s bimbo made those 77 flights to Crawford and back when he was on PART of his 1000 days of vaction?
      AS FOR BUSH’S KIDS, THEY WERE PROBABLY OFF DRINKING AGAIN ON THEIR FAKE IDs!!

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    When are we going to stop sucking up to Israel?

  • IKE

    WE CAN SOLVE MOST OF THE PROBLUMS . JUST VOTE IN RON PAUL

    • Brian Schultz

      oh ike,

      The blind leading the blind here…… just vote in RuPAul that will fix all our PROBLUMS….. Geez.. Ok people vote in a richpublican… then you will finally see that whoever you put in the presidents office can’t/ won’t get anything done because of the screwed up congressional situation but it will be a great help to all of the HARD WORKING AMERICANS of MIDDLE/ LOWER Class to put a person in power whose whole political belief system is based on have/ have not (I have and I don’t care a lick about those that have not)… You are truly brilliant!!!!

      • DaveH

        Brian,
        I see you’re the typical Liberal who must resort to personal attacks in lieu of the facts.
        The best thing that can happen is for Congress to be deadlocked. While they are, they’re not spending our money on wasteful endeavors or passing more regulatory hurdles for our already regulation-fatigued businesses.
        Name me a single category of business (excluding Government monopolies), Brian, that Government does better than the private sector? Why would you want those losers taking over more of our economy?

        • Brian Schultz

          The government is NOT supposed to be ‘in business’… they are supposed to work for the poulace meaning the people of this country……..Business is supposed to be done by us….. Oh let me rephrease- the government is ‘supposed to be in the business of working for us..

          As to personal attacks, no I don’t feel i am attacking any one person at all

          As to being Liberal, blah blah blah… please se the other post i sent your way

          • Brian Schultz

            Also,

            How possibly can the best thing for this country be for congeress to be deadlocked… It is bad enough that nothing is being done.. so thats briiliant Deadlock thew govt so nothing still gets done..

            Where do you live? I see my neighbors struggling to survive, I have friends that cant afford to buy food for their kids much less pay house paynments and utilities……sorry but (even if you have to call me liberal) i can;’t justify putting a richpublican in office who doesn’t care about the ‘little people’ around him…..what is next for them changing the laws to say you are only a ‘qualified american’ if you mave a minimum six figure income or better?

            when are the HArdworking AMericans that built this country going to be recognized and helped….. Certainly not while congress is deadlocked and to busy spending time on the next election…. on that note how much time do these elected officials have to work on OUR problems when a week after they get into office they already start maneuvers for the next election…… I have put up post after post asking the same questions and none of you “intellectuals” have come up with a valid counterpoint…..

            How hard is it for anyone especially the ‘conservative’ set to see that the biggest problem in America right now is that her people are not being taken care of (and I mean ALL of her people…. not just the wealthy- that by the way wouldn’t be wealthy if it wasn’t for us peasants.

  • Ron S

    Israel is our only true ally.We should be standing by their side thru thick and thin.If our Country would turn back to God,He would heal our Great Nation but with the likes of the muslim we have in office it dont look like that will happen any time soon!

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Ron S
      Jews against Zionist Israel
      Why is the World Jewry Opposed to the Zionist State
      http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/opposed.html -
      -Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the people of Israel, and substitutes for it …. SIXTH – The Zionist state is always threatened by the dangers of war. …

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Also,

        Why Lunatic Israel
        http://www.citizensamericaparty.org/hell_on_earth.htm -
        Why Lunatic Israel and Consequent Jewish-Zionist Domination …. The State of Israel must invent dangers and to do this, it must adopt the methods of …

    • Walt

      True ally? Try Researching – Attack on the U.S.S. Liberty.

      The ship was attacked by Israel on June 8th, 1967. The attack was no accident and lasted for 2 hours, after wave after wave of Israeli war planes and torpedo boats, tried to sink the ship. 34 American seamen were killed and 171 were injured.

      Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer and Secretary of State dean Rusk stated publicly that Israel deliberately attacked the Liberty. Israel’s intent was to have it look like the Egyptians were behind the attack.

  • Pierce Smith

    It is impossible for our President to stop sucking up to to Islam. The fact is he was reared by a Muslim, therefore he sides with islamist. Three plus years ago the people in this country didn’t do their homework,and so Barack Obama was elected President. We have to live with that decision for 1 more year, like it or not. The big question is are the voters going to make the same mistake? I hope not. I did not vote for him, and I will not vote for him. He is trying to destroy this country, make no bones about it.

    • Erich

      US Constitution, Article 1, section 7 http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec7.html
      All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. This is under the control of Boehner

      US Constitution, Article 1, section 8
      http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html
      The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

      To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

      It amazes how many people who say that they support the US Constitution but they do not know what is contain in the US Constitution.

      • DaveH

        What has that got to do with Pierce’s comment?

  • JohnT

    Interesting article although I had the impression that the president’s policy was to bomb the islamic world into accepting the US position.

  • Deerinwater

    Hmm? Well John, I understand your feeling, I really do but 44 is just one in a long line of “appeasers” and down deep you know it.

    We(the world) has grown fond of a life style. The attempt to take something away we have grown fond of is “not acceptable”. Look at 43′s tax cuts, while the wars was really about future oil/mineral extraction interest,while the tab unfunded and to be picked up by the last man to stand and leave the table. Chaney had vallot to bring his car to the front door before everyone even sit down.

    The Bush’s are up to their eyeballs with middle eastern good buddy family deals. I happen to have family that serves as “interpreter” for big oil and is widely traveled, as well as being required to making the New York social scene and all of it’s~ well over the top “extravagance”.

    So let’s not bull $hit the bull$hitter about what is going on in circles far removed for our mundane little lives where a $35 dollar steak is considered a fine dinning experience.

    Money talks & bull$hit walks. The money these people throw around is hard for anyone to ignore.

    1908 (May 26):
    Masjid Sulaiman field (Masjid Sulaiman-1 well), southwest Zagros basin, Iran (Persia) by the Concessions Syndicate Ltd. (owned by Englishmen William Knox D’Arcy and Lord Stathcona, and the Scottish Burma Oil), forerunner of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (later British Petroleum). Reservoir: Asmari limestone (Oligocene-Early Miocene), 354 m deep; oil 39.4° API gravity.

    1927 (October 14):
    Kirkuk field (Baba Gurgur No. 1 well), Kurdistan region, Iraq, by the Turkish (Iraqi) Petroleum Company (IPC, a consortium of the Anglo-Persian, Shell, Francaise des Petroles, American Near East Development Corporation, and Gulbenkian Foundation). Reservoir: “Main Limestone” or Kirkuk formation (Asmari equivalent) limestone (Oligocene), depth unknown; oil 36° API. Production began in 1934.

    1932 (June 1):
    Jabal Dukhan field (Jabal Dukhan-1 well), Bahrain, by the Bahrain Petroleum Company (a subsidiary of the Standard Oil of California); Reservoir: Waisa limestone (Cretaceous) at depths of 600-750 m; oil 38° API. Production began in 1934.

    1938 (February 23):
    Burgan field (Burgan-1 well), Kuwait, by the Kuwait Oil Company (owned by the Gulf Oil and the Anglo-Persian). Reservoir: Burgan sandstone (Middle Cretaceous), 1120 m deep; oil 32.5° API. Production began in 1946.

    1938 (March 4):
    Dammam field (Dammam-7 well), eastern Saudi Arabia, by the California Arabian Standard Oil Company (a subsidiary of Standard Oil of California). Reservoir: Arab limestone (Upper Jurassic), 1441 m deep; oil 34-35° API. Production began in the same year.

    1940 (January):
    Dukhan field (Dukhan-1 well), Qatar, by the Petroleum Development of Qatar (a subsidiary of the Anglo-Persian/IPC). Reservoir: Zekrit (Arab) limestone (Upper Jurassic), 1733 m deep; oil 37° API (Limestone 3) and 42° API (Limestone 4). Production began in 1940 and export began in 1949.

    1953:
    Bab (or Murban) field (Murban-1 well), Abu Dhabi (later part of the United Arab Emirates), by Abu Dhabi Petroleum Company (formerly Oil Development of Trucial Coast, a subsidiary of IPC); Reservoir: Kharaib Formation (Lower Cretaceous limestone), 3,776 m deep; oil 40° API. Production began in 1963.

    1956:
    Marmul field (Marmul-1 well), Oman, by Petroleum Department of Oman (subsidiary of IPC). Reservoirs: Umm Er Radhuma (Paleocene) 576 m deep (18° API) and Biyadh sandstone (Lower Cretaceous) 854-976 m deep (20.8° API). The field was non-commercial. 1963-67: The first producing fields, Yibal (1963, depth 2275 m, 38° API), Natih (1963, depth 2202 m, 31° API) and Fahud (1964, depth 590 m, 33.6° API) (all Cretaceous limestone), in Oman were discovered by Shell and Partex (Gulbenkian Foundation). Production began in 1967.

    1956 (October):
    Karatchok field (Karatchok-1 well), northeastern Syria, by the American independent James W. Menhall Drilling Company. Reservoir: Massive Limestone Formation (Cretaceous), 3155 m deep; oil 19-21° API. Production began in 1969.

    1984 (March 4):
    Alif field (Alif-1 well), Ma’rib Jawf graben of the Sab’atayn basin, Yemen, by the American Yemen-Hunt Oil Company. Reservoir: Sab’atayn Formation (Upper Jurassic), 2400 deep; oil 43 API. Production began in 1987

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    Just thinking out loud here. Was Obama ever conscripted, if so where and when did he do service for the USA?

    • Deerinwater

      search engines are great for such quandary Peter, search and read several as there, as in the real world exist a bias.

    • Sol of Texas

      Pete — If you mean conscripted for the Vietnam War (the last war a draft was used), no, he was clearly too young, assuming he was actually born in 1961 (he would have been 14 when Saigon fell).

      • Blue Devil

        Sol — He was born in 1961. August 4, as a matter-of-fact. It says so on his KEMYAN birth certificate (of which, I have a copy in MY DOCS)

    • NC

      Peter.. I think he took Daddy’s Boy bush’s place when he refused to take his physical for license renewal for fear they would ship his a$$ to Nam if he stayed qualified!How dare the US government think IT could keep GEORGE H.W. BUSH’S boy out of the bars!!!!

    • mark

      When Obama turned 18 in 1979 there was no draft. It had been abolished since 1973. Romney and Gingrich were both of service age during the Vietnam war. They both dodged the draft. But don’t worry they are both very aggressive and brave when it comes to sending other people’s children (mostly from the working class and minorities who make up most of our volunteer combat infantry units) to die in the Middle East. Gingrich and Romney are both American heroes in this respect – not foreign born, Muslim, communist traitors.

      • Flashy

        Perry, Santorum and Paul are the GOP candidates with a military experience. Military experience was part of a question on the MTP debates and Gregory pointed out which knew what it was like to serve in the military

  • Charles

    “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.” Rev. 11:15 b While I wait for that day, I am sorry for all the hurt, tears and pain that will take place between now and then. May G_d Bless America!!!

  • Sprock

    How original, yet another bucket of mindless blather wrapped around someone’s warped religious view to insinuate that Pres. Oboma is in league with Satan while helping Islam. Which book of the Bible did you drag that nugget from the Book of Stupid? Dude, get some new material.

    • Deerinwater

      Revelations, no less! ~ I am glad that Revelation was included in the bible, for it tell us that even back then and as today, they too had their space cadets, astro travelers and burnt out hippie that had fried their brain, experienced out of body experiences, see the other side and lived to tell about it.

  • Wyatt

    Interesting comments on this article , bot sides are presenting good arguments . A bit off base or ideas based on generalizations , but good arguments if somewhat miss informed .
    When you get right down to it Obama , though he may be a closet Muslim , appeases the Saudi and other middle eastern countries for one reason and one reason only . He wishes to destroy America anyway he can . If anyone looks at his actions over the three years he has been in office everything he has done has been to that goal . To erode us from within and divide , weaken , bankrupt and forment anarchy .
    Now you may well ask ,’why would he do this ?’ . Well the answer is obvious , Obama is a Communist , he was at Harvard and he was prior to that . His sealed records are ample indication of something hidden in his past . And from all indications , he has plenty to hide . From suspect birth records to a SS# that was issued to a French immigrant sometime between 1924 when he arrived and 1977 when this individual died in Hawaii . As SS was never informed of the individuals death and no claim was ever filed against it , its use was never questioned . (this would also explain why Obama has never held a real job , he was busy staying under the radar) All of Obamas acts are right out of the Communist book of subversion and infiltration . One has to assume Obama never got the memo ‘Communism doesn’t work’ .
    He has trampled our Constitution at will to suit his goals . Our Constitution , a document that he has publicly stated and called obsolete and out dated . If we are not careful and wise enough to deny this FRAUD another 4yrs in office we will wake up to find ourselves subjects of King Obama , Dictator for Life !

    • Erich

      Please the following link and get your facts right.
      http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp

    • Brian Schultz

      I will (apparently) type this over and over until my hands fall off….. It doesn’t make a hill o’ beans difference if Obama is the president or if McCain and psycho palin had come into office… we would still be broke right now, the TV would still be saying how great everyone is doing, and we would still be going nowhere fast because WE THE PEOPLE have somehow lost control of our government (somehow…. what a laugh… we gave it to them by not paying attention).

      Congress has continually failed to do ANYTHING for the PEOPLE it works for…They take good care of the corporations and fat cats but do nothing for “THE POOR, THE WEAK, THE HUDDLED MASSES” does anyone remember those people….. you should…. they are your neighbors, the hard working people who with there ancestors built this country…. it is time to wake up and remember that this country was not built by the rich but by the backs of the working class that made the rich…

      • mark

        All my TV tells me is how bad everything is going. You must be living in another country. Put FOX News on and I can assure you all you will hear 24/7 is how bad we are doing. CBS, NBC, and ABC aren’t that far behind with the economic bad news. Newsflash: we are in the worse recession since the 1930s.

        • Brian Schultz

          HMMM, I guess it is my bad for figuring out that there is more to tv than the news (which i gave up watching long ago because the news media does not report news anymore…. I did accidentally leave fox on one night when the news came on and listened to them talking about which celebrity was drunk and what was going on with american idol……

          Heres a thought for you…. watch a few minutes of commercials. that will give you all the info you need on how big business and the government feel about us citizens and how ‘broke and in trouble we are”…

    • mark

      If he really is a King or Dictator-for-life, as you say, being careful or wise in the upcoming election will have zero effect on if Obama continues to exercise power. Because Kings and Dictators-for-life, as we all know, never face elections. But of course everything you are saying is false and President Obama may very well be defeated in the Nov. 2012 election. King or Dictator-for-life Obama, on the other hand, would never even participate in such an election. He would simply cancel it and shoot down al who disagreed as Kings and Dictators-for-life have done repeatedly all throughout human history. But this, as you know, will never happen here in the United States. You are getting twisted up in your own pile of lies and falsehoods. President Obama will respect the results of the 2012 election, win or lose.

  • cawmun cents

    Yeah!
    That would be alot like calling Healthcare a basic”right”,and then mandating it by charging fines to folks who choose not to exercise that right.
    Hmmm.
    Sounds like something a Muslim would do.
    Cheers!
    -CC.

    • Brian Schultz

      CAwmun Cents… I like it… name doesn’t fit the posts though….

      lets touch on common sense for a second… where is the common sense in the fact that The United States of America is the only 1st world country that does not take care of the healthcare needs of its people…. instead they allow the peoples healthcare needs to be dictated by the proverbial Dollar (which by the way is currently about worthless)

      It is a brilliant program if you look at it the right way…. “the only way people are allowed to get healthcare is if they have enough money”… that solves multiple problems doesn’t it… “if you can’t pay you die… thus decreasing the population”….. the insurance companies and big business sure don’t care because if you don’t have any money you don’t benefit them anyway.

      YOU MAY NOTICE SOME SARCASM THERE!!!!

      you are right people… lets stick with this program and call the idea of everyone being able to get help when they are sick “socialism’… we don’t have any US manufacturing left (except the military machine) because Ronnie Rayguns gave that all to our foriegn neighbors– so why would we possibly need lower/ and middle class workers anymore…. let them all die because they can’t afford to pay their bills anymore much less pay for exorbitant health insurance premiums.

      Also one brief note on Political Definitions for you dunderheads… It is funny to see people dissing and/or discussing terms like socialism, communism,facism, democracy, etc…. as they no longer fit the definition………All of the blowhards still say the US is a Democracy… I was born and raised in this country and have worked my adult arse off for nothing but I can call a spade a spade and no that we are about as democratic as freaking Cuba…..

      Specifically since good ‘ol GW (and Before) we have been a fascist state.

      Democracy my hairy arse…. if we were democratic, WE THE PEOPLE would still be in charge (for anyone not intelligent enough… this means that we would still be putting people into office to work for US instead of an electoral college and the Democratic and Republican Powers)…. You see when I was going to school I was taught that ‘ANY US CITIZEN (Born on US Soil) over the age of 36 could run and be elected President of the united states of America’

      lets look at cold hard facts… I am over 36 , a US citizen, Born in the midwest, But I sure as hell can’t run for president because I don’t have the cash to do it….. we don’t vote Democratically- the first time I was allowed to vote, at 18 mind you…. I was given a Ballot that listed all people running for office and was allowed to pick who I thought would be the best for the country- regardless of political party. Now if you notice… you get a Ballot based on political idealism…. if you claim democrat- you get the democrat ballot, if republican… you get the republican ticket, and god forbid if you are something other like oh, say an independent thinker who would like to make an informed decision based of facts and what is best for the country. you get a smile and a worthless piece of paper that won’t matter anyway…..

      THAT SEEMS LIKE FREE CHOICE (Democracy) TO ME

      • DaveH

        First of all, Brian, this country wasn’t established to be a Democracy. Our Founders knew that Democracies always devolved into tyrannies of the minority by the majority (or worse). We are a Republic. Our Founders were wise enough to know that Leaders typically look out for themselves. So, they set up myriad checks and balances in an attempt to preserve our Freedom.
        Brian says “where is the common sense in the fact that The United States of America is the only 1st world country that does not take care of the healthcare needs of its people”.
        We are also the wealthiest country, Brian. We got that way because we had a tradition of Free Trade. The ownership of property was respected, so people had an incentive to work hard and be productive. People engaged in voluntary contracts. Nobody had to buy anything they didn’t want to buy. Then along came the Progressives. Everything became a “Right”. They wanted a right to free food, free shelter, free clothing, and now even Free Health Care. Why should anybody work?
        If they succeed in surmounting the various obstacles set up by the Progressives and find a way to make a living, they just have a lion share of their wages taken away, only to be given to others who didn’t earn it. So, the obvious outcome is that people work less, save less, and produce less. We all lose.
        Why would anybody in their right mind want to imitate the loser countries?
        You seriously need to do some studying at mises.org and learn some reality, Brian. Turn in your Communist membership for something that works.
        Or you can continue pushing us toward Bigger and Bigger Government until we become like the countries at the bottom of this list:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

        • Flashy

          Dave…got any source cites for the opinions you gave out above? LOL

        • Brian Schultz

          Loser countries? DAve it is you that had better check facts….you better take a look at how far we have fallen and where the ‘loser countries are’ (norway?)

          Communist that is a laugh (personal attacks dave? i thought you were better than that)

          Also look into the founding documents of this countery…” I believe this quote is accurate “garauntees certain inalienable RIGHTS” to its people…. NOT JUST THE RICH

        • Brian Schultz

          by the way dave, and any others that can intellectually answer….

          It seems to me that since at least the late 1800′s this country has been a “tyranny run by the wealthy and the non wealthy have been the footstones that were trod upon to build the country” and then tossed to the side when their were cracks”

          we are a republic that everyone is ‘free’ to do anything they want, open a business the choose, free trade, blah blah blah…. as long as you have the money and can happliy play the game of “screw your neighbor”

          thats not the founding documents that I read…

          • Brian Schultz

            I just love it when I make answer to some of these posts. It’s late in the game but… Dave, your comment “we are also the wealthiest…” don’t know what year you live in but here in 2012 the US is BROKE and in debt so far that it will never get out of debt…. ( oh I forget, when you are a rich Republican- Debt is only word…. “Imay be in Debt up to my eyeballs but I am still wealthy because I have more stuff then all of the poor underlings that have worked themselves to the grave for the pittance i give them…. but hey I’m gonna write myself a big bonus check and go on vacation so I don’t need to see the people starve to death”

            Getting back on track…. at the time I write this the whole planet is on the verge of economic collapse…. even china is broke (and they are the ones currently holding most of the US’ IOU’s)and it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with people being taken care of medically (but hey- we’re free market so lets let the insurance companies get rich here in the US instead of providing basic healthcare to the people of this country ESPESCIALLY THE HARDWORKING MIDDLE AND LOWER CLASS WHO BUILT IT.)

            There is one up and coming country that isn’t suffering as much as everyone else, as a matter of fact its economy is growing, the class division of rich/ poor is shrinking and a new middle class is emerging, foreign money is moving in trying to greedily scarf up everything available, and guess what…. they are a REPUBLIC (that has actually been around longer than the US by a couple hundred years)… and the people whether rich poor or somewhere in between all have food and HOLY CRAP!!! They can go to a doctor if they are sick…. no matter how much money they have….

  • AJ

    Why blame Obama he’s only doing what he’s told to do to fule the money into the Military Industrial Complex and abide by the Rothchild agenda. When Obama is replaced by Romney we’ll still have the same agenda nothing will change.

  • Old Henry

    It’s way past time to play Cowboys and Muslims.

    And if that Communist Muslim Kenyan foreign national is allowed to continue the illegal occupation of OUR WH we will soon be fully engaged in the game.

    The first activity would be to surround the “school” in VA and level it while simultaneously leveling Detroit.

  • Chris

    John, you would make a much better writer if you followed the first couple of rules of journalism. First, check your facts; second, proofread your material. These two things are crucial to believability. Since FDR was elected to four terms and died in April 1945, there is no way that President Truman appointed Col Eddy as the first foreign minister to Saudi Arabia in 1944.

  • http://What'sawebsite? Reuben Hart

    I wish peope would quit picking on Obama. Born two thousand miles from the american mainland, brought up in Indonesia, he’s the best anti-semitic, anti-american, marxist, moslem President this country has ever had. And then there’s his delightful wife!

    • Sol of Texas

      :-)

      Too right!

  • Think about it

    Jihadis training in your neighborhood?

    Investigator describes setup as infrastructure for attack
    One of the investigators who worked on a report about terror training camps operating inside the United States describes the network as no more or less than an infrastructure for attack.

    WND previously reported on a documentary called “Homegrown Jihad: Terrorist Training Camps Around the U.S.,” and how it offers evidence that “Muslims of America” operates a series of training camps in the U.S.

    Jason Campbell is project manager for the Christian Action Network, which was behind the training camps investigation.

    He described for WND some of his visits to the camps, which have been located in New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Michigan, Colorado, California and Washington.

    “The one that really gets you concerned is in Georgia,” he said. “You go down a road and all of a sudden it’s just woods, and there are two roads that go straight down to the camp. It’s dark because of the trees. And one of the roads is named Mecca and the other Medina.”

    Watch the trailer for “Homegrown Jihad: Terrorist Training Camps Around the U.S.” and share it with your neighbors, your local police officials and your representatives in Congress.

    “If there ever was an infrastructure for terrorism, this is it,” he told WND.

    Go to WND America’s Independent New Network for the full story and the videos

    • John

      I would not put too much into what WND publishes. I.m.h.o. ,they have twisted the truth too much on a lot of occasions,outright lied, changed their stories mid stream to be a reliable source of news . Some people call them the National Inquirer of the Right, I call them a source of entertainment. Joseph Farah has an agenda, and it is NOT what his readers think it is. There was a very eye opening interview that was published just about when he was getting WND on line. I have not seen a reverence to it lately (could be Mr. Farah had this interview removed) but if you are really interested you should be able to find it. Nothing completely disappears from the web ever….

      • Michael Hardesty

        Farah is a self-hating Arab who peddles the total Zionist lies line because it’s profitable just like Sean Insanity, Roosh Bimbo, Jackass
        O’Really, Michael Savage Weiner and other AM radio hatemongers.

    • mark

      They are one of the most outrageous, totally fabricated, outright, lying websites in history. They’re a complete joke to anyone with even a scintilla of knowledge, logic, or connection to the real world. WND!! Please!

      • John

        Don’t be too hard on them Mark, After all they do serve a purpose.
        They are a magnet for the most obnoxious, brainwashed,nuts, and trolls ever to be in on the internet (there is one more site like it that I know of but it is not a public forum). Every moment they are visiting WND and trolling the comment section there is a moment this blog here sees peace, a civilized and sane discussion between people who not necessarily agree with each other but are still are civilized about. The moment the WND trolls leave the site and come here or to any other political site is when the posts become comical,irrational, and insulting.

        • Flashy

          bah….they need to go to the Weekly World News and get educated on what really matters…

          The Weekly World News was the paper which broke the story that Pres. Clinton had an affair with, and fathered a child by, a space alien who came here on a secret diplomatic mission.

      • DaveH

        A lot of name-calling here and other personal attacks. Why don’t you guys just stick to the facts instead of being like you claim WND to be?

        • Michael Hardesty

          They have but I think it’s a waste of time to debate braindead redneck ChistCulter Israel First imbeciles.

  • John

    The trillions of dollars Mr. Myers quotes bought the American public the oil to run cars and use it in its industry. The trillion dollars in advanced military technology Saudi Arabia bought made our weapons manufacturers rich and gave thousands of people jobs.
    Fact is, those trillions of dollars where NOT given by the US to Saudi Arabia as Mr. Myers cleverly implies, but we bought oil, they bought weapons and other items in return. That is how international trade works. Don’t you guys just hate it when someone takes a tiny bit of factoid and then spins a story of half truth around them to furthers his or his friends own agenda?
    Yes, I agree that the Saudi Muslims are one of the most violent Muslim faction on this planet. They use their share in FOX news to spew propaganda and vilify every other Muslim faction that opposes them. Bin Laden was a Saudi Muslim, and most of the hijackers on 9/11 were Saudis. Does anyone really believe that bin Laden could do what he has done without the support of high ranking individuals within Saudi Arabia? Bush let the Bin Laden Family and others leave this country after 9/11 to appease the Saudis and ensure that the US had an uninterrupted oil supply. Most appeasement of mid east rulers today is solely to insure that there is no interruption in the oil supply, and that big oil worldwide can make trillions of profit every year. All a conflict with the Saudis would do is to drive up the oil prices ….something big oil and the people Myers is associated with would love. And trilling within the US and the Canadian oil pipeline will not be able to offset the loss of Saudi oil. New wells and the pipeline will not be productive for years to come and once they come on line the oil will be sold on the international market and even if it stays in the US the oil will be traded at the price the international markets trades at unless the government intervenes …how high do you think oil will go on the international market if there would be a conflict in Saudi Arabia? And who do you think will profit and who will be the losers? Big Oil will make trillions, and the US citizen will be stuck with paying extreme high gas prices. So of course it is in the oil corporations own interest to stir up the mid east…its a win win situation for them especially if as a result congress is forced to open up more domestic production and to build the pipeline….The Canadian big oil corporations could make trillions in profits if they could cause the rest of the mid east to go up in flames. And so, the people associated big oil are fanning the flames of hate and war.

    • Sol of Texas

      John –

      One piece of good news is that the weapons systems sold to the Saudi’s (and most other countries) are usually not the latest generation, but one or two generations previous.

      Of course, with ambition, many of these systems can be upgraded (it is not unusual for the Israeli’s to adapt or enhance systems sold to them for their unique purposes).

  • http://na jon macvean

    islam nothing more than terrorist group the muslims are nothing more than terrorists now we even have a dictator and union terrorist for president of the united states barack obama thanks jon macvean

  • robm

    He can’t stop, he is one. Read hhis book. If he has to choose between Islam, or Christian, He will side with Islam……………He wrote

  • Think about it
  • Richard Morgan

    Benladin’s, plan was to destroy the United States by destroying our economy. Obama just took up where he left off. And it looks like he’s going to have another 4 years to finish, althought he probly don’t need another 4 years. Don’t think the economy is salavgeable now. Can you say “New World Order” ???????

  • Think about it

    Known Jamaat ul-Fugra Camps.
    Also known as: Muslims of America and Quranic open University

    Deposit, NY
    Hancock, NY
    Springfield, MA
    Philadelphia, PA
    Hyattsville, MD
    Fairfax, VA
    Red House, VA
    Meherrin, VA
    Bethany, WVA
    Dover, TN
    York, SC
    Commerce, GA
    Jessup, GA
    Marion, AL
    Houston, TX
    Talhina, OK
    Coldwater, MI
    Oak Hill, CA
    Onalaska, WA

    Buena Vista, CO ( Raided and shut down in 1992 )

    Baladulla, CA ( Leader convicted of scamming the state out of $1.3 million in 2006, Compound now abandoned )

    I wounder how many Fast and Furious gun and other weapons went to them ?

  • Raggs

    I think that king oblama is setting the stage for the world to worship him as a saviour…

    • mark

      He’s not a king: he has to run for reelection in November 2012. Kings don’t run for reelection.

      • Raggs

        Your wrong… He believes that he is a king along with 90% of the media… Maybe you are not aware of the new CZAR that he just appointed??? Everything that king oblama has done and is doing by-passes congress, congress and the constitution means notta damm thing to king oblama Absolutely nothing… Why do you think that he continues to blame congress and call it “do-nothing”?.. If he can convince the people that congress does nothing than that opens the door for him to by-pass congress as a king would do… Got it yet their mark?

      • eddie47d

        Raggs and all his harpy false assumptions…will you ever get it?

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Regarding the topic of energy dependance, yes, many people in positions of influence in our country have for years nurtured the Saudi relationship for personal gain. We Americans have for too long been happy to pump their gas into our cars so we can drive to where ever we choose. The average American has no clue where the gas they are pumping came from and frankly don’t care….even more they don’t have a clue of the political ramifications.

    We have the means with in our own borders to produce the majority of the energy we need if big brother were not blocking the way. So much for energy independence.

    Regarding the middle east, Obummer has set in motion the seeds of radical take over in Libya and Egypt and it will spread to the other nations. The Muslim Brotherhood has tentacles in all of the ME and now they have a real foothold for expansion. Thanks a lot Mr. Prez. This by design…not an accomplishment Flashy!

    Obummer is part of the NWO and he is only half of the way to his goal of remaking our country into his image. “Change we can believe in”, if you are a Marxist.

    Everyone, better prepare for the coming storm. It will not be pretty when the financial system collapses under the debt Obummer has amassed. Another one of his “accomplishments”.

  • Jay

    Two Views of History

    There are two fundamental ways to view history. We call one the catastrophic or accidental view of history. We call the other view the conspiratorial view of history.

    Accidental History

    In the catastrophic or accidental view of history we are led to believe that historical events, such as wars and revolutions were the direct result of some sudden or surprising event. While the catastrophic view is accurate for weather, volcanoes and earthquakes, it does not always provide a realistic view of humanity and events influenced by man.

    Young, malleable American and other Western minds are sadly taught the Accidental view of history in the government school systems. This view is reinforced throughout their lives by the controlled mass media. As a result, when most discover the Conspiratorial View of History, the immediate reaction is shock, disbelief and a refusal to accept something other than they’ve been taught to believe.

    Conspiratorial History

    Conspiratorial history studies that part of history that is a product of man’s planning. In conspiratorial history we are led to believe that events, such as wars and revolutions, are the result of planned events. While the conspiratorial view is not accurate for weather, volcanoes and earthquakes, it is a realistic and accurate view of the interrelationship of man and nations. Since the planning for most of these events was done in secret, we use the term conspiratorial history. That is; this history is the result of plans constructed in secret, which by definition is a conspiracy.

    Interestingly enough, the Conspiratorial View of History is also the Biblical View of History. Try Psalms 2 for starters.*

    We believe that current world events are not simply circumstantial, but the result of an organized campaign by an elite group of unseen and widely unknown world leaders. Their goal is to exercise absolute dictatorial control over the world, to establish a New World Order.

    The Cause of War

    Wars start when one nation moves into the territory of another; depressions occur when markets take unexpected downturns; inflations occur when prices are driven up by shortages; revolutions start when the people, always spontaneously, rise up to overthrow the existing government.

    These are the traditional explanations of historical events. Events happen by accident; there do not seem to be any causes.

    But this explanation of history leaves gnawing questions in the minds of serious students. Is it possible that government leaders and others planned these events and then orchestrated them to their desired conclusions? Is it possible that even the great catastrophes of history were part of this plan?

    There is an explanation of historical events that answers these questions in the affirmative. It is called the Conspiratorial View of History and it is the alternative to the Accidental View, the view that is commonly held today. It is possible, therefore, to summarize the major events of history into two alternative schools of thought:

    The Accidental View of History:

    Historical events occur by accident, for no apparent reason. Rulers are powerless to intervene.

    The Conspiratorial View of History:

    Historical events occur by design for reasons that are not generally made known to the public, but are well known to those in power at the time.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt who certainly saw many monumental events occur during his consecutive administrations has been quoted as saying: “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, it was planned that way.”

    If harmful events are planned, it follows that the people who were about to suffer through the scheduled event would act to prevent the event from occurring if they knew about it in advance. The people expect government to protect them from harmful events.

    But if the events still occur after the government officials had been expected to prevent them, the government officials have failed in their assigned duties. There are only two explanations as to why they failed:

    The events overwhelmed them, and could not have been prevented; or
    The events were allowed to occur because the officials wanted them to occur.
    It is difficult for the casual observer to believe that World War 1 and World War 2 could not have been prevented, as humane people of conscience do not allow harmful events to occur.

    If a planned and unwanted event is allowed to happen, those who planned the event would have to have acted in secret so as to prevent discovery of their plans by those who would be adversely affected.

    Planners working in secret to plan an event that the people do not wish to occur are, by definition, members of a conspiracy. Webster’s defines conspiracy as a “combination of people, working in secret, for an evil or unlawful purpose.”

    Not only must the Conspirators work in secret, they must make every effort to ensure that their plans are not made public. The first task of a conspiracy, then, becomes that of convincing the people that the conspiracy itself does not exist.

    This makes the task of uncovering the machinations of the conspiracy all the more difficult.

  • mark

    Yeah, Obama is a real appeaser toward Islam. That’s why he ordered the execution of Bin Ladin, the drone assassinations of dozens of top Al Qaeda leaders, the doubling of U.S. troops fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and along the Pakistan border, the continued maintainence of the Guantanamo detention center. He’s a real appeaser, alright! But all of this still isn’t enough for John Myers and others on this site. They no doubt want an invasion of Iran, an invasion of Syria, or as Rick Perry desires, a reinvasion of Iraq! What nonsense. How can anyone take these article writers seriously? Cheney and Bush II took an even harder line and what did that get us: a disasterously wrong-headed war in Iraq that cost $1 trillion, 5,000 U.S. dead, 40,000 U.S. wounded, amputees, and paraplegics and according to the latest reports 225,000 dead Iraqis roughly ten times the amount of deaths in the entire Libyan civil war. And of course the result of this mad adventure was the strengthening of Iranian power in the Middle East by destroying Iraq as a deterrent to Iranian power. Yeah, let’s have more of this! It is so much better than “appeasement.” Please…. what a joke…

    • DaveH

      So, if somebody assassinated a few dozen Republican Leaders, you’d say that proves the killers are against Congress? Strange logic there, Mark.

  • Nazmia

    I am a devoted Muslim, and I was shocked to read this article and many of the comments. I will not defend my religion because it does not need my defense, nor is it affected by all your attacks. I will speak as a Muslim and ask you how would you feel if Muslims talked about your various faiths or lack of it and described it as a cancer? I think you, with all due respect, do not have enough knowledge, if any at all, to qualify you to defame Islam and Muslims. If the horrible 9/11 attack was really done by Muslims (something not yet proven until today)and you and I call it an act of terrorism, I would like to ask you what do you call invading Iraq?

    • mark

      You are absolutely right, Nazmia. The average poster here knows absolutely nothing about Islam. They have never taken a university course on Islam, studied Islam by reading several books on the subject written by Islamic writers or other relgious experts, visited an Islamic nation, or actually read a translation of the Quran. Instead they rely on a lot of hateful, fear-mongering propaganda that they find on various right-wing, hate sites. And they think that this makes them experts on one of the world’s greatest and most important religions. Please don’t consider this site a cross-section of majority Americans’ views on Islam. This it is not. Also you are correct that the Iraq war was ana unConstitutional, illegal, and immoral war on the part of the United States, one of many.

      • Jefferson Thomas

        Define the “average” poster Marky Mark. Your wide ranging unsubstantiated comments reflect upon your highly suspect mental capabilities.

        I don’t know where you learned about Islamo-Fascists and their slave trading, murderous, lying, blasphemous, lecherous, child molesting, thieving, plagarizing, adulterous, fornicating, treacherous, contract and treaty breaking, “prophet” named Mohammed who claimed he was greater than Jesus, but maybe you should dig a little deeper into the Satanic Verses (ring a bell for you?…it’s a BOOK) by Salmon Rushdie or perhaps a book called |”Why I am not a muslim” by Ibn Warqaq.

        Islam is a fascist system of government built for the benefit of certain Arabs with a injured superiority complex that has elements of Judaism, Christianity, and the old moon god religion of Arabia that was plagarized by Mohammed.

        Yes Marky I have read the Quran and I reject it and the vile message it has. The Jihad has never ended for the faithful since the invention of Islam by the cursed person named Mohammed. You and millions of others are just fooled by the liars in Islam who tell you what you want to hear to your face.

        A web site that has an excellent sources of scholars, ex-muslims, historians, CIA agents, etc. was posted by me above in response to another post.

        You may also want to do some reseach on the conflicts and wars taking place in the world today. You may find a common thread that runs through a majority of them.

        • mark

          Right, and Christians have never committed any immoral acts throughout their history: the persecutions of non-believers, the Crusades (including the Albigensian Crusade), the Wars of Religion between Protestants and Catholics, the Inquisition, the witch trials, the persecution and ghettoization of Jews in Europe, the Atlantic slave trade, the wars of Western imperialism that conquered the land of most third-world peoples of color, the Holocaust committed overwhelmingly against Jews by European Christians. Right, unlike Muslims, Christians have a completely clean record in the area of human rights atrocities committed against non-believers. Open a history book: there is plenty of guilt to go around. Muslims have no monopoly of immoral religious or political violence. In fact, they often appear like amateurs next to the record of the Christian West.

          • Jefferson Thomas

            Still don’t get the difference do ya Marky Mark.

            What you label as “Christianity” is for the most part an organization of statists who infiltrated and corrupted a christian denomination called Roman Catholicism.

            Christianity had something called a Reformation. Islam has never had a reformation.

            Many of the Crusades you mention were in response to Islamo-Fascist invasions.

            Open a Bible and discover what the difference is between Christianity, men who use Christianity, and Islamo-Fascism.

            When Christianity began Jesus gave his life for the sins of mankind. When Islamo-Fascism began Mohammed beheaded 600 men who would not convert to his vile religion.

            You will have no argument from me about the atrocities that men have committed. But lumping Islamo-Fascism with Christianity is laughable. Perhaps you should do some research into how many followers of the “prophet” are still slave traders and who steal the daughters of people who are not in their “religion”.

          • Brian Schultz

            Hey, the good majority of the founding fathers of this country were “slave traders and or Owners” and there are still people in this country that would still have slaves if it were allowed….. Fornicators, child abusers? you are not describing muslims here my man…. you are describing CAtholic priests…. Don’t you listen to the news????? even in my home town we had a preist or two that was “innapropriate” wih young boys…. But remember the big business of Catholisism is usually able to get most charges swept under the rug.

        • Bob Marshall

          I read WHY WE LEFT ISLAM. A book of stories by those who chose to leave at the risk of death. I read THE MANCHURIAN PRESIDENT and STOP the Islamization of AMERICA. Much of the Qur’an and also know most Iranians speak Persian, not Arabic, the language of Islam, as spoke in Saudi Arabia. King Abdullah rules Saudi Arabia under Sharia law. Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal donated $500,000 to CAIR. He funded Iman feisal Abdul Rauf to the tune of more than $300,000. he has ties to the Carlyle group which did business with the bin Laden family. Islam is anything but a peaceful religion. The Supreme court removed the bible, prayer and any mention of God from our public schools .yet they are allowing Islam to be taught in some of our schools. THE MANCHURIAN PRESIDENT is six years of research showing the ties Obama has to Socialist, Communist,the Nation of Islam, SEIU,the Weatherman Underground, Bill Ayers and George Soros to name just a few of the men and organizations. http://www.WORLDNETDAILY.COM THE WND book store has these as well as other books true patriots may find interesting and informative.FROM CRAYONS TO CONDOMS warns what is happening in our schools and yes, there is a chapter about the influence Islam teaching and the way it has been introduced into out schools. Are we going to allow our children to become easy prey to the teaching of Homosexuality and Islam in our public schools?

          • Michael Hardesty

            Bob, you need professional help. Obama was barely in grade school when Ayers was in the Weatherman. Nor is Obama a Muslim. His father was but never him.
            Obama has no ties to the Nation Of Islam. The SEIU is a national union, I disagree with their politics but they have no ties to Islam or Obama or the Communists.
            Soros does both good and bad things. His fight against the drug war is a good thing. As well as his fight for abortion rights.
            Obama’s alleged Socialist and Communist connections need to be spelled out, not asserted.
            I dislike the statist homophile movement but people have a right to be wrong as long as no force is involved. People are not going back to the vicious repression of the 50s and 60s in regard to same sexers.
            Kids growing up now and in the future will be having more homosexual experiences and most will opt for heterosexuality in the long run.
            No laws are going to stop this nor should they.
            It was common among teens in the 50s and 60s but it was more in the closet. Mostly it was a stage. And less costly than getting girls pregnant.

          • JeffH

            Michael Hardesty…seek help.
            the Wall Street Journal reported that President Obama has met with Andy Stern, the head of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), 22 times during the first 6 months of his presidency – more times than any other person.

            A few months ago the Andy Stern/SEIU “persuasion of power” was felt by an unarmed, black, Conservative outside a townhall meeting in St. Louis, Missouri. Kenneth Gladney was dragged over a table and then kicked repeatedly by several SEIU members wearing their purple shirts.

            Then Sen. Barrack Obama during a few speeches in front of SEIU members discussing his agenda: Obama’s 2007 SEIU speech Part 1, Obama’s 2007 SEIU speech Part 2. This uncovered video of Obama shows him leading a SEIU chant after vowing to “Paint the Nation Purple:”
            http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-st-louis/seiu-s-andy-stern-and-president-obama
            As you can see from these speeches, Barrack Obama has been working with SEIU for years. Since the election of President Obama, he also has been strangely silent in denouncing any of these SEIU attacks…just like Andy Stern.

          • JeffH

            The first shots in the Obama Revolution,the highly unlikely campaign that elevated an inexperienced former Chicago community organizer born in Hawaii and raised in Indonesia into the Oval Office,were fired at the Long Island Southampton beach house of billionaire hedge fund manager George Soros.

            Ultimately,Soros would spend approximately $26 million of his own money in a failed mission to rid America of President Bush. It was through this effort,however,that Soros gave birth to a much more ominous cause,the “Shadow Party.” And the Shadow Party would eventually become the Obama administration. And George Soros would become the master puppeteer for the president of the United States and the leader of the free world.

            Without Soros and the Shadow Party,Barack Obama would be,at best,a senator from Illinois attending social gatherings with domestic terrorists Bill Ayers,Bernardine Dohrn and sitting in the pews of black liberation theologian Reverend Jeremiah Wright. At worse,he’d be an unremarkable and unheard of state senator. Instead,Barack Obama is the President of the
            http://www.exposeobama.com/2010/09/10/the-obama-soros-connection/

          • JeffH

            Barack Obama and Bill Ayers…In the mid-1990s, Obama was hired to be the chairman of Ayers’ “brainchild,” the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

            Obama announced his candidacy for the Illinois Senate in 1995, at Ayers’ house.

            This is the same Ayers who was involved in bombing courthouses, banks, police barracks, a National Guard outpost, and other government buildings. The Weathermen also blew up a statue (on two different occasions) in Chicago’s Haymarket Square, broke LSD guru Timothy Leary out of prison, and set off a pipe bomb in San Francisco that killed one police officer and blinded another. They advocated attacks on innocent civilians, vandalism, and arson to get their message across. In all, the Weather Underground engaged in dozens of these attacks across the U.S. in the early 1970s.

            Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.

            The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming “guilt by association.” Yet the issue here isn’t guilt by association; it’s guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago.
            http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/obama_connection_148.html

      • NC

        Mark,you point out the sins of people who called themselves Christians and Jefferson immediately divides Christians into two groups, ‘good Christians” and “bad” Christians” who did those deeds!
        But let several hundred Muslims out of 1.3 billion do bad things and they are all bad and to be hated and shunned< Quite amusing, but scary, to sit back and see that nature seep out of some people'
        I'll bet those old Muslim slave traders would loved to have had a couple of the Mafia's machine guns! They could have really gathered up some slaves if they had known these good Italian Catholic "Christian"" "business men"
        Saw a young Muslim girl in America cry as she related that she hated no American, did not hate our government and her happiest moments were when non-Muslims would come up and ingage her in conversation about ANYTHING. She said she "ached" to be accepted. I have watched Congress in action and I have no reason to beleive anyone that I have seen there any more than that young girl. If you watched her and feared and/or hated her YOUR heart is pure stone!

        • Karolyn

          I heard a Muslim woman interviewed, and she said it broke her heart when her 19 year old son came home crying because the kids were calling him a terrorist. All she wants is to be a good American and live in peace and harmony. Those calling kids names like that are just setting the stage for a possible future rebel.

        • Jefferson Thomas

          NC,

          Where shall I start with your mis-characterizations and mis-information concerning what I said?

          Since I was addressing the evils of Islamo-Fascism, the evil “prophet” Mohammed, and the millions of evil men throughout history who participated in the “Jihad” to make others submit (riddle for you…how does the word submit relate to the word Islam?) how does this relate to the mis-treatment of a young muslim girl by others? Addressing these evils in no way minimizes the pity I have for those who are subjected to this evil system. Especially this young girl who is at best property in Islam and who has basically no rights.

          Actually I did not group Christians into good Christians and bad Christians. I grouped them into Christians, men who used Christianity for their own purposes (as in the Catholic church when powerful men would have their sons sent into the church for political purposes) and I wanted Mark to compare these to Islamo-Fascism.

          Men who use coercion, force, fraud, etc. as their modus operendi as in the mafia are not Christians. It does not matter what they call themselves.

          “Those old muslim slave traders” as you put it still exist and ply their trade to this day as did their spiritual father Mohammed. I am sure that they do have AK 47′s. Anyone who is not a muslim in a muslim country is considered second class or less, must pay extra tax, and is essentially a slave.

          Finally as to your crying muslim girl. If the situation were reversed and she was a Christian in Saudi Arabia trying to open a church she would either be dead or the sex slave of some “holy man”. I am sorry this muslim girl was mis-treated but it is nothing compared to what would happen to one of us in a muslim country trying to speak freely of ideas different from or against Islam.

          You are sadly mis-informed if you think as you said “a few hundred muslims did some bad things”. Of the approximately 1.5 billion muslims in the world fully 1/3 are known to be of the extremist brand comparable to Wahabists, Iranian Shiites, Hamas, Taliban, etc., etc., etc. A huge portion of the remainder of the Muslim population would follow what the clerics and other radicals tell them to do.

          There is a Jihad against the rest of the world by Islam. All mosques in countries that are not muslim are out posts for Islamic Jihad. Wake up or you will be submitting or dead.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          NC

          Jefferson never sites his sources.We have take his word for it.

          • Jefferson Thomas

            coal miner, try to pay attention. I cited an excellent web source that I mentioned in a earlier post I don’t know if they will let me cite it again. http://www.historyofjihad.org/ “The Satanic Verses” by Salmon Rushdie”, “Why I am not a Muslim” by Ibn Warqaq”, The Bible. Here is another idea…there is a tool called http://www.google.com where you can search university libraries, history books, newspaper articles from the middle east etc.

      • DaveH

        That’s odd, Mark, I see you often making ignorant comments on subject areas that you know little about. What’s good for the goose isn’t good for the gander?

    • John

      Terrorism as internationally defined does not include the actions of a country. Many scholars believe it should , if it would be, many of the US governments actions would fall under the terrorism moniker and thus, the US has vetoed the one attempt that was made in the UN to add countries actions to the definition. Thus we can’t call it terrorism. We can call it anything else but not terrorism. I know people and some news outlets in their ignorance call actions by other countries an act of terrorism…but that’s because they are ignorant of what the term terrorism stands for.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Nazmia

      Way to go.Pay no mind to these Idiots.Please to meet you.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Nazmia
        Stick to your guns.
        Here is to all you Islam haters.
        Islamic Mathematics – The Story of Mathematics
        http://www.storyofmathematics.com/islamic.html – Cached
        The Qu’ran itself encouraged the accumulation of knowledge, and a Golden Age of Islamic science and mathematics flourished throughout the medieval period …

        • Raggs

          Go worship a toad frog, who gives a chit?
          You fell for this hook, line and sucker.

          king oblamas religious warfare to separate our country and to turn people against people and your a dumbass for falling for it.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Raggs,

            You are really Ignorant.Read this,that is if you can read.

            Islam Spain and the history of technology
            http://www.engr.sjsu.edu/pabacker/history/islam.htm – Cached
            Jun 10, 2005 … He spent a long time in Muslim Spain learning both about Greek mathematics and science as well as Muslim contributions to science. …

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Raggs

            Here ia another one,brain donor.
            Medicine in medieval Islam – eNotes.com Reference
            http://www.enotes.com/topic/Medicine_in_medieval_Islam – Cached
            8.1 Anesthesiology; 8.2 Cataract surgery; 8.3 Dental surgery … The works of ancient Greek and Roman physicians Hippocrates, Dioscorides, Soranus, Celsus … Responding to circumstances of time and place, Islamic physicians and ….. human dissection, and they made explicit appeals for other physicians to do so as well. …

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Jefferson Thomas

            The Dark Bible: Atrocities
            http://nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm – Cached
            From the sacred scripts from the Bible we learn that the great King David carried out atrocities that rivaled the cruel acts from the holocaust of World War II. …

          • eddie47d

            Raggs is blinded by continual hate and misinformation to enhance his already deranged cranium. Too late to be educating him.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Raggs,

            Top 6 Incestuous Relationships In The Bible
            http://listverse.com/2008/05/26/top-6-incestuous-relationships-in-the-bible/ -
            May 26, 2008 … In the words of the commentators of the Douay Rheims Bible: “God … The two daughters had sex with their father, Lot, in order to preserve his …

          • JeffH

            Raggs, there is a raeson why some eddie’s are carry the nickname of “easey e”…they just make it too easy.
            _______________________________________________

            Now eddie says…”Raggs is blinded by continual hate and misinformation to enhance his already deranged cranium.”

            …and what’s your excuse eddie? Besides being blinded by shear unadulterated stupidity, being a liar and a hypocrit…what excuse do you have? Remember eddie…excuses are for losers.

          • eddie47d

            Leave it to Jeff to defend the wicked Raggs on this site. Barf!! Nothing changes Jeff you are still one evil lying little man.

        • Jefferson Thomas

          Actually the ideas for mathematics and the 0 came from India when the Islamo-Fascists invaded them

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Jefferson Thomas says:

            “Actually the ideas for mathematics and the 0 came from India when the Islamo-Fascists invaded them”
            Show me your sources.

          • Jefferson Thomas

            http://www.storyofmathematics.com/indian_brahmagupta.html

            As a bonus the Islamo-Fascists committed genocide against large segments on the Indian population.

            To address another post by you about King David killing large segments of the Canaanite population…what do you know about Canaanite “culture” and their “gods” and “religious practices”?

            Did you know they routinely BURNED their own children alive in sacrifice to their heathen “gods”? They committed crimes of the grossest most evil sort against others. Should they have been judged by God for these heinous crimes and should they and their culture have destroyed by David?

            In one word I say yes.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Islamweb – kids corner -The Muslims’ Contributions to Astronomy
            http://www.islamweb.net/kidsen/Kids%2520Corner%25201,2/subjects/eshamat1.html – Cached
            Islam has had the most significant effect on the development of astronomy. … for translators, and thus some astronomical books were translated into Arabic. … contemporary astronomer, Abu Al-Wafaa’ Al-Boozjaani, who was famous for plotting …

          • Jay

            We have underestimated the importance of 800 years of Islamic society and culture in Spain between the 8th and 15th centuries. The contribution of Muslim Spain to the preservation of classical learning during the Dark Ages, and to the first flowerings of the Renaissance, has long been recognised.

            But Islamic Spain was much more than a mere larder where Hellenistic knowledge was kept for later consumption by the emerging modern Western world. Not only did Muslim Spain gather and preserve the intellectual content of ancient Greek and Roman civilisation, it also interpreted and expanded upon that civilisation, and made a vital contribution of its own in so many fields of human endeavour – in science, astronomy, mathematics, algebra (itself an Arabic word), law, history, medicine, pharmacology, optics, agriculture, architecture, theology, music. Averroes and Avenzoor, like their counterparts Avicenna and Rhazes in the East, contributed to the study and practice of medicine in ways from which Europe benefited for centuries afterwards.

            Islam nurtured and preserved the quest for learning. In the words of the tradition, ‘the ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr’.

            Cordoba in the 10th century was by far the most civilised city of Europe. We know of lending libraries in Spain at the time King Alfred was making terrible blunders with the culinary arts in this country. It is said that the 400,000 volumes in its ruler’s library amounted to more books than all the libraries of the rest of Europe put together.

            That was made possible because the Muslim world acquired from China the skill of making paper more than 400 years before the rest of non-Muslim Europe. Many of the traits on which modern Europe prides itself came to it from Muslim Spain. Diplomacy, free trade, open borders, the techniques of academic research, of anthropology, etiquette, fashion, various types of medicine, hospitals, all came from this great city of cities.

            Medieval Islam was a religion of remarkable tolerance for its time, allowing Jews and Christians the right to practise their inherited beliefs, and setting an example which was not, unfortunately, copied for many centuries in the West.

            The surprise, ladies and gentlemen, is the extent to which Islam has been a part of Europe for so long, first in Spain, then in the Balkans, and the extent to which it has contributed so much towards the civilisation which we all too often think of, wrongly, as entirely Western.

            Islam is part of our past and our present, in all fields of human endeavour. It has helped to create modern Europe. It is part of our own inheritance, not a thing apart.

            1001 Inventions: The Enduring Legacy of Muslim Civilization.

            http://www.1001inventions.com/1001inventions

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Many of the people wasting their time posting here, obviously have too much time on their hands. You would be better off reading a book than writing your drivel for all to see how ignorant you are. Islam is not a religion. It is a violent cult, PERIOD. Any one suggesting that it is protected under our Constitution is a traitor. I have no more time to waste, I am going to read a book, so that I will not become ignorant too. Good Day, John Galt

    • John

      In 1776, John Adams published “Thoughts on Government,” in which he praises the Islamic prophet Muhammad as a “sober inquirer after truth” alongside Confucius, Zoroaster, Socrates, and other thinkers.

      In 1785, George Washington stated a willingness to hire “Mahometans,” as well as people of any nation or religion, to work on his private estate at Mount Vernon if they were “good workmen.” It was a rhetorical statement, as he hired no such people.[24]

      In 1790, the South Carolina legislative body granted special legal status to a community of Moroccans. In 1797, President John Adams signed a treaty declaring the United States had no “character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen”.[25]

      In his autobiography, published in 1791, Benjamin Franklin stated that he “did not disapprove” of a meeting place in Pennsylvania that was designed to accommodate preachers of all religions. Franklin wrote that “even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his service.”[26]
      Image of Alexander Russell Webb who was the U.S. ambassador to the Philippines and a Protestant convert to Islam.

      Thomas Jefferson defended religious freedom in America including those of Muslims. Jefferson explicitly mentioned Muslims when writing about the movement for religious freedom in Virginia. In his autobiography Jefferson wrote “[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom… was finally passed,… a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.’ The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.”[27] While President, Jefferson also participated in an iftar with the Ambassador of Tunisia in 1809.[28]

      It seems to me, Capitalist at Birth just declaired some of our founding father “traitors”In 1776, John Adams published “Thoughts on Government,” in which he praises the Islamic prophet Muhammad as a “sober inquirer after truth” alongside Confucius, Zoroaster, Socrates, and other thinkers.

      In 1785, George Washington stated a willingness to hire “Mahometans,” as well as people of any nation or religion, to work on his private estate at Mount Vernon if they were “good workmen.” It was a rhetorical statement, as he hired no such people.[24]

      In 1790, the South Carolina legislative body granted special legal status to a community of Moroccans. In 1797, President John Adams signed a treaty declaring the United States had no “character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen”.[25]

      In his autobiography, published in 1791, Benjamin Franklin stated that he “did not disapprove” of a meeting place in Pennsylvania that was designed to accommodate preachers of all religions. Franklin wrote that “even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his service.”[26]
      Image of Alexander Russell Webb who was the U.S. ambassador to the Philippines and a Protestant convert to Islam.

      Thomas Jefferson defended religious freedom in America including those of Muslims. Jefferson explicitly mentioned Muslims when writing about the movement for religious freedom in Virginia. In his autobiography Jefferson wrote “[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom… was finally passed,… a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.’ The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.”[27] While President, Jefferson also participated in an iftar with the Ambassador of Tunisia in 1809.[28]In 1776, John Adams published “Thoughts on Government,” in which he praises the Islamic prophet Muhammad as a “sober inquirer after truth” alongside Confucius, Zoroaster, Socrates, and other thinkers.

      In 1785, George Washington stated a willingness to hire “Mahometans,” as well as people of any nation or religion, to work on his private estate at Mount Vernon if they were “good workmen.” It was a rhetorical statement, as he hired no such people.[24]

      In 1790, the South Carolina legislative body granted special legal status to a community of Moroccans. In 1797, President John Adams signed a treaty declaring the United States had no “character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen”.[25]

      In his autobiography, published in 1791, Benjamin Franklin stated that he “did not disapprove” of a meeting place in Pennsylvania that was designed to accommodate preachers of all religions. Franklin wrote that “even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his service.”[26]
      Image of Alexander Russell Webb who was the U.S. ambassador to the Philippines and a Protestant convert to Islam.

      Thomas Jefferson defended religious freedom in America including those of Muslims. Jefferson explicitly mentioned Muslims when writing about the movement for religious freedom in Virginia. In his autobiography Jefferson wrote “[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom… was finally passed,… a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it should read ‘a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.’ The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.”[27] While President, Jefferson also participated in an iftar with the Ambassador of Tunisia in 1809.[28]
      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=+++++++++
      It seems to me, Capitalist at Birth just declared some of our founding fathers to be traitors to this country.

      • John

        Darn this really got messed up when posting but the gist is clear.

      • John Lilleburns ghost

        “Capitalist at Birth” has a noble quest he has pledged to prove his stupidity once a day on this website, when he has done for a thousand consecutive days his sponsors have promised to donate $10,000 to reform ACORN. Don’t mock! applaud!

  • http://gmail.com sancheleezy

    Obama will go after only those “outlaw–Muslims” that are considered to be the the worst of the bunch to appeal to the majority of Americans and people of the Middle East countries. Please do not be so naive as to believe that he really cares about our freedom and safety as it is all about himself. The year is 2012 and we are nearing the next General Election so remember that he will do anything to appease the voter to vote for him as he has never achieved the lifestyle he now enjoys at our expense. He is one of the most deceitful of men to have occupied the White House in the last century or so. Please keep your eyes and minds open and do not be duped a 2nd time America.

  • Jonas

    His grandmother stole his fake birth certificate from the WRONG person, and it is now being exposed
    Probably 98% of the people in the USA do not YET know who he REALLY is, because they have been drinking from “cisterns, broken cisterns, which hold no water” (Jeremiah 2:13)
    Jonas

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    NO; RELIGION SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY PLACE IN GOVERNMENT!!! Prayers that start, any Government meetings, “must be stopped!”

    • Raggs

      So you follow king oblama lockstep?

      king oblamas idea is the same, the constitution and our founders mean diddly sqwat and the basic foundation of this country should be shredded and disgarded starting this country over with a muslim rule.

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        It would be a real shame… If it took a Primate to fix this Country!
        A Primate of another Species, GREATLY Distroyed it. 1 & 2 Terms ago!

  • lutfi

    ISLAM IS THE RELIGION THAT BELIEVS IN JESUS AS ALL MUSLIMS DO BUT ITS JEWS WHO DONT BELIEVE IN THE EXSISTANCE OF JESUS AS THIER MASSYAH HAS NOT ARRIVED YET. BUT WE NEED TO RESPECT THAT REGARDLESS.
    WHO ARE THE KILLERS HERE? WHO KILLED JEWS AND MUSLIMS IN SPAIN AND IN THE PHLIPENES JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDNT BELIEVE IN THE WHAT SO CALLED SATANIC WORSHIPPERS AND IDOL WORSHIPPERS WHO CALL THEM SELF CHRISTIANS.
    JESUS CAME TO PLANT THE SEED OF LOVE AS MANY OF WHOME WHO ARE WORSHIIPING THE CROSS DONT EVEN HAVE A CLUE OF WHAT IS EVEN JESUS CAME FOR.
    CHRISTIANITY IS NOTHING BUT AN EVIL WHITE RACEST CULT INVENTED BY THE EVIL CATHOLIC CHURCH WHO RAPE BOYS IN CHURCHES AND DO MUCH MUCH MORE.
    JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL AND IN THE END JESUS WILL COME AND CLENSE THIS WORLD FROM THOSE SATAN WORSHIPPERS.

    • Raggs

      How old are you?.. Four? maybe three? using your mommies PC in the basement?

  • Raggs

    So everyone here has missed the issue…

    king oblama has already created “class warfare” and now he is creating “religious warfare”…

    Divide, conquer and then destroy.

    And so now some of you smart idiots can argue that.

    • Karolyn

      Raggs – We certainly didn’t need Obama to “create” religious or class warfare. They existed way before he came around.

      • NC

        Karolyn, do you how many people you are confusing here by reciting facts? God forbid that one of them would start doing research! Can you imagine what might happen if they discovered there is more than one book!

        • Flashy

          NC…do you have a source cite for those statements?

      • Raggs

        I’m just saying Karo, I’m just saying…
        And now so the excuse for king oblama is what?
        In your simple minded head do you have the answer?

        • Karolyn

          Raggs – If I knew what you were asking, I might be able to answer you.

          • Raggs

            Well karo. your little wabbit ed is following you around but be that as it may.

            I guess that you need some follower.
            Either that or you have a hard time doing the thinking for yourself.
            Well prehaps it is that you need someone to do your thinking since you need a leg in the fan.

        • eddie47d

          We’re still waiting for at least one coherent answer from you Raggs. I know that is like asking it to snow in Rio de Janeiro but give it a try.

          • Raggs

            Oh shut up ed.

          • eddie47d

            Did someone tell you to stop being so nasty and ignorant Raggs? Tsk! Tsk!

    • John

      Yeah, Obama the all doing, all knowing, omnipotent, micro manager of this country personally has started a religious tread on this forum so that we now can engage in religious warfare and not only class warfare like so many believe?

      Wow are you delusional or what?

      • Raggs

        EER-UH
        I got off of the stupid boat and so should you.

      • eddie47d

        Someone must have threw you back on!

        • Raggs

          Ed you almost made me laugh.
          The movie blasing saddles come to mind..

  • Lizelot

    I agree that most Americans and Europeans know next to nothing about Islam and its many divisions, that are often hostile to each other. I was reared in Indonesia and experienced Islam close hand. It’s inimical to Western values and principles, believes itself to be superior even though it has consistently lagged behind in science, has never contributed in any marked way to the general well-being of any region including the Middle East, it’s autocratic, rigid and medieval to the Nth degree. Name me even one general hospital in the United States that was started and endowed by Muslims, in contrast to the many that were and are run by Christians, including Mormons.
    As far as Obama, he did attend a Muslim school in Jakarta when his Mother was married to a Muslim Indonesian. Muslims believe that simply uttering the mantra Yaillahyaillalah etc converts the individual to Islam–this is a well-known fact. As a child Obama must have intoned this mantra umpteen times. Furthermore, the so-called Christian church of Jeremiah Wright could hardly be called mainstream Christian–Wright was openly hostile to whites and America–it’s a sham church, just as many mosques are sham religious institutions, and Obama fit in.
    In certain Muslim sects lying and pretending are not only allowed but encouraged if it serves the faith. Obama swore on the Bible that he would serve faithfully, knowing full well that this oath was thus a sham. Non-Muslims do not attend or offer the ritual quintessential Muslim Ramadan observance, as Obama did–showing utter disdain for Americans, cynically assuming they wouldn’t know it for what it is. It’s obvious from everything he has done and ordained that his agenda includes the destruction not just of America and it’s traditional values, but the entire Western world, elevating Islam and Muslims openly even though there is scant proof that these are in any way equivalent to Christianity/Christians in particular or Western values and principles in general.
    Nevertheless, the Bushes in particular were just as enamored of the Saudis as Obama, and it was during Geo W’s two terms that Saudis (thus Wahabis) gained a considerable foothold in our culture and esp. our top universities with their multi million endowments. Obama simply extended the welcome mat even more. As always, observe their actions and results, regardless of party or affiliation. Actions speak louder than words, always!
    This pertains certainly to our coming election–do not listen to glib words and witticisms, look for actions and consistency in those actions. While humans do err and we cannot expect paragons of virtue, changing one’s mind based on solid evidence and admitting one made a mistake in judgment signifies an open and humble mind, while opportunistic flip-flopping on serious issues should be a red flag no matter the individual or party.
    Obama’s leadership has clearly not been advantageous to America or its population except for unions, huge banks, the Left, illegal settlers, Muslims, and our burgeoning bureaucracy. What’s to quibble?

  • lutfi

    MR. OBAMA IS THE BEST THING HAPPINED TO THIS GREAT NATION EVEN THOUGH MANY OF THIS NATION ARE WHITE TRASH LIKE THAT LOSER RAGGS, IT SHOWS THE NAME COMES FROM A ROTTEN RAGG.
    JUST BECAUSE HE IS NOT WHITE , HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH ? ALL OF THOSE WHITE TRASH IN THIS COUNTRY CANT EVEN ADD 1 PLUS 1.
    JUST DRINKING BEER AND WATCHING FOOTBALL AND ……..

    • JeffH

      lutfi GO HOME! After reading your post, you ARE a racist, a bigot and a hypocrit…all rolled into one!

  • http://facebook Namve t66/67

    Here in this middle size WI: town, The YMCA has a nice pool and in the Fall and Winter months it has been open one day to the public, for many years, but the last few years, it is now closed one day a week to the public and just open for muslims and their children to use, so no Infidel can see muslim women wearing bathing suits..

    Give the muslims special treatments to appase them and they still hate non-muslims and would love to kill them all and rid the world of us………………………………………………..

    • John

      Here in this town the YMCA is closed once a week to the public and only members of a swim club have access. As this club is comprised of people from the neighborhood, nobody in this neighborhood complains about it but people from the surrounding neighborhoods did complains about it to no prevail.
      So, I ask you, whats the difference? They are citizens of this country, even though they are of a different faith. If you want your own day, get a large enough group of people together and come up with a valid reason…. that’s all that’s needed.

      • Flashy

        Wonder what town in Wisconsin she refers to. Wait a few more minutes and if it’s not in Mises, I’m sure Dave will be demanding sources….

  • JeffH

    This is for all of those that have bought into the propaganda that Iran does have a nuclear weapon and support the ideology that Israel, the US and the UN must stop Iran, either militarily or with strong sanctions.

    What I’m posting here DOES NOT mean that I support in any way Iran…this is just plain a common sense approach.

    The US-Obama led war drums are beating and the PTB mis-information network is hard at work in their attempt to keep the US and the world in perpetual wars through not only the MSM but also through taxpayer funded/supported networks like NPR and PBS.

    Publicly-financed media PBS and NPR have promoted, as if they were known fact, claims that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, even though no proof has been advanced that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. Even Defense Secretary Panetta says, “Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No.”

    Tell PBS, NPR: No proof Iran has a nuclear weapons program. It’s time we all stood up and tell the powers that be and their media lackey’s…NO MORE!
    http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1439/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=9148

  • lutfi

    JEFF, GO HOME ?THIS IS MY HOME YOU STUPID WHITE TRASH WHO CAME HERE FROM THE SLUMS OF EUROPE

    • JeffH

      lutfi GO HOME!

      How on earth do you know that I am white, let alone trash you liberal ignoramus?

      Stupid is as stupid does
      Forrest Gump

  • 45caliber

    One of the stories about Saudi that I have always laughed about was the Federal government gift of a battalion of modern tanks to them after WWII.

    The Arabs thought it was wonderful. They climbed aboard and roared off across the desert to inflict harm on all their enemies.

    But someone forgot to tell them that the tanks required fuel. The tanks were all abandoned when they quit working and are still buried under sand dunes somewhere in that desert. After all, they weren’t camels so how were they to know that tanks required fuel?

    • Raggs

      I can see your message.
      The people were ruled by a totalitarian government and they simply did not know how to do anything for themselves?… Am I close?

      • 45caliber

        Partly. But they were simply not tech-savvy. They had no idea even how to refuel those tanks if told to do so.

        It’s like the farmers in India years ago. The US went in and drilled a number of deep wells to provide the farmers with irrigation water. But when the pumps failed, the people had no idea how to repair them. So the wells were shut down and forgotten.

        Most countries of the world have a system where the people wait to be told what to do. In Japan, the workers will follow orders they KNOW to be wrong since it is wrong to embarrass your boss by correcting what you were told. Most militaries of the world will obey orders to kill their own families since they are trained from birth to obey. The reason the American military does better is that in other militaries their officers give them detailed orders on what to do – which may not always work. In our army, the soldiers are given an objective (take that hill!) and are left to do it the best way they can. That’s why our men don’t want to follow foreign orders – and why foreign officers don’t like our soldiers.

  • lutfi

    JEFF,YOU ARE WHITE TRASH BECAUSE OF YOUR NAME AS NO ONE USE THAT STUPID UGLY NAME OTHER THAN REAL STUPID REDNICKS WHO ARE NOTHING BUT HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUTS AND LOOSERS.
    YOU NEED TO DO SOME MORE LEARNING IF YOU WANNA DEVELOP THAT USELESS BRAIN OF YOURS BUT I AM SURE ITS HOPELESS.

    • Raggs

      smoke that crack, fry your brain… Who the F cares.

    • JeffH

      lutfi, all I can do is laugh…that you and your comments are ignorant. Talk of “LEARNING”…perhaps you should heed your own advice(REDNICKS(rednecks?),NO ONE USE(uses or used?)LOOSERS(losers?)WANNA(want to?)not to mention typing in all caps(yelling)and running sentances together…but I’m sure you feel your brain is developed and not useless or hopeless. NOT!

      • Michael Hardesty

        JeffH, you ARE stupid trash regardless of what your color is.

        • JeffH

          Michael Hardesty, you’re as brilliant a poster as “lutfi”(looney?).
          By any chance would you two be related? Just askin’? But thanks for the compliment anyway… :)

          • JeffH

            Michael, forgot to mentio that like “lutfi looney” you also made me laugh. :)

          • Michael Hardesty

            Jeff, as Ayn Rand wrote in The Fountainhead the imbecile always smiles.
            You sure a lot of smiling.

          • JeffH

            Michael Hardesty…LMAO!

            The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.
            Ayn Rand

            Forrest Gump was right and so was Ron White…stupid is forever…

        • JeffH

          Michael Hardesty, can I assume by your substantially impressive comment that you too are a racist and a bigoted ignoramus hypocrit just like “lufti looney”?

        • Tom W.

          Schmuck!!!

  • Don Dugger

    The man was raised in his formative years in the Muslim community. It has always been obvious to me that all his efforts are now and have been with Muslims in mind. Could it be that he values his own life more than the good of the country he was elected to serve and protect?

  • Citizenship

    Dear John M in the letter that you send Mr.President make some mistakes and intentional confusion and to obtain ignorance.Before that initiatives should be informed and to consult more with the right people in connection with religious beliefs mostly on Christianity and Islam.USA a decade ago but did not hit Islam but radicalism of ideologies and decay of interests the business.And this decade since September 2011 until now has been a U.S. Government attempt to find causes and ideology that hit America.Today world has more crashes atheist ideologies like Communism and radical leftist movement, and radical right-wing movement conservatism, extreme nationalism, globalization, anti-globalization and anarchist groups radical including immediate and international Mafia .Not seen clash between Christians and Muslims although differences due to a divergence between these two religions.Islami does not say in his book to combat followers of the Bible, but says that they are close in faith with you, their prophets are also yours, and they should not fight,but should be respected.For the son of Mary Jesus Prophet is very high prophet and the Messiah is and should be respected, and also David and Moses are prophets of a very high close to GOD.The God says that no dispute concerning religion and the prophets, because it causes abomination in the eyes about Him.In relation to Saudi Arabia there exists a despotic regime of more than 60 years of Saudi tribe that seem to contradict the right Islam.To find a balance between government and people as they proclaimed Wahhabism sect as the state religion compatible with Arabs peoples.The same going on with Iran and Ahmadinejad which calls about Islam in the media podium to legitimize the Shiite dictatorship in his country and with neighbors, in order not to be any revolution. America and any country that wants true democracy and peace around the world to better examine the true Islam and Christianity, not religious sects which combined different names for extremist ideologies and interests of people in secret clubs that want to see the whole world to totalitarianism. Thanks.

    • Tom W.

      For one the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the god of Islam are not one in the same! Allah is a pagan god, he was the Mesopotamian moon god. The sun and the stars were his daughters. The Jesus of the Christian Bible is the Son of God, The Jesus of the Koran is the son of Mary. Note the difference!

      “And for their saying, “Verily we have slain the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, an apostle of God.” Yet they slew him not, and they crucified him not, but they had only his likeness, and they who differed about him were in doubt concerning him: No sure knowledge had they about him, but followed only an opinion, and they did not really slay him, but God took him up to Himself. And God is mighty, wise!
      There shall not be one of the people of the Book but shall believe in Him before his death, and in the Day of Resurrection, He will be a witness against them.
      For the wickedness of certain Jews, and because they turn many from the way of God, We have forbidden them goodly viands which had been before allowed them.” – Sura 4:156-158
      Muslims claim that Christians and Jews are intolerant reguarding them. These verses from their own holy book plainly show that it is them who have been intolerant towards both religions from their very conception.

  • Raggs

    Looking at some of these posters I can actually see how king oblama slimed his way into the white house.

    • John Lilleburns ghost

      Funny when I look at most of the posts and posters on this site I can see that President Obama can hardly fail to be in the white house

      • Raggs

        we can start with the “president” thing.
        So does that make him k i n g?

      • Raggs

        Yeah come on john.
        your a stupid son of a bitch

  • Jay

    Pentagon Plan P2OG

    In the article titled “CIA/US Military Perpetrated Most of Iraq’s “Suicide Bombings!” by Andrew G. Marshal information about Pentagon Plan P2OG was revealed. “Specifically, the plan “recommends the creation of a super-Intelligence Support Activity, an organization it dubs the Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG), to bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence and cover and deception…

    The Los Angeles Times reported in 2002 that, “The Defense Department is building up an elite secret army with resources stretching across the full spectrum of covert capabilities. New organizations are being created. The missions of existing units are being revised,” and quoted then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld as saying, “Prevention and preemption are … the only defense against terrorism.” Chris Floyd bluntly described P2OG in CounterPunch saying, “the United States government is planning to use “cover and deception” and secret military operations to provoke murderous terrorist attacks on innocent people.”

    In other words Rumsfeld’s Defense Science Board (DSB), a Pentagon advisory group, created plan P2OG to use murder and terrorism for political, financial and ideological gain. The plan detailed the staging of terrorist actions in up to 80 countries and placing the blame mainly on local groups such as Islamic militant groups. In May of 2007, an Iraqi who formerly collaborated with US forces in Iraq for two and a half years stated that, “operations of planting car bombs and blowing up explosives in markets are carried out in various ways, the best-known and most famous among the US troops is placing a bomb inside cars as they are being searched at checkpoints. Another way is to put bombs in the cars during interrogations. After the desired person is summoned to one of the US bases, a bomb is place in his car and he is asked to drive to a police station or a market for some purpose and there his car blows up.”

    Craig Murray, former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, wrote in October of 2006, that, “The evidence that the US directly contributed to the creation of the current civil war in Iraq by its own secretive security strategy is compelling. Historically of course this is nothing new – divide and rule is a strategy for colonial powers that has stood the test of time. Indeed, it was used in the previous British occupation of Iraq around 85 years ago. However, maybe in the current scenario the US just over did it a bit, creating an unstoppable momentum that, while stalling the insurgency, has actually led to new problems of control and sustainability for Washington and London.”

    Military strategist William Arkin exposed Plan P2OG in the Los Angeles Times on October 27, 2002. Since that time much has been written about it and evidences of it in action in Iraq, especially the staging of suicide bombings, has been revealed.

    British Special Forces Caught Carrying Out Staged Terror In Iraq?

    
Media blackout shadows why black op soldiers were arrested

    Paul Joseph Watson | September 20 2005

    In another example of how the Iraqi quagmire is deliberately designed to degenerate into a chaotic abyss, British SAS were caught attempting to stage a terror attack and the media have dutifully shut up about the real questions surrounding the incident.

    What is admitted is that two British soldiers in Arab garb and head dress drove a car towards a group of Iraq police and began firing. According to the Basra governor Mohammed al-Waili, one policeman was shot dead and another was injured.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/200905stagedterror.htm

  • chuckb

    one way to solve the problem, tax prayer rugs.

  • Michael Hardesty

    Bob, you sure brought them out today with Myer’s bunk.
    I appreciate your free speech forum very much.
    But imagine if someone published an attack on Judaism and Jews
    like this tendentious, one sided, nutcase presentation of Myers ?
    It would be interesting to read but I can hear all the deeply racist
    phonies here screaming ‘anti-Semitism !’ even though 90% of all Semites are Arabs.
    If read one more of these neoconman pieces I might vote for Obama, in fact I will UNLESS Paul gets the nomination.
    All the AIPAC bought and paid for GOOPERS are WORSE than Obama on foreign policy. And that’s the most important thing.

    • JeffH

      Michael Hardesty…WOW!

      “Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna’ get” – Forrest Gump

    • Tom W.

      I thought this was very interesting! Oy vey!!! Shmendrik! Bring it on gentile boy!!!
      WHERE ARE THE GIRLFRIENDS of OBAMA?/Truth Frequency News
      This question has popped up before but it seems this is a nonissue to our media and pundits. Thanks to Hunter at WOY for posting it.
      WHERE ARE THE GIRLFRIENDS of OBAMA?
      I hadn’t thought about this – but where are O’s past girlfriends – surely he had at least one? No past girl friends popping up anywhere? Strange – strange to the point of being downright weird! OK, this is just plain old common sense, no political agendas for either side. Just common knowledge for citizens of a country, especially American citizens, who know every little tidbit about every other president (and their wives) that even know that Andrew Jackson’s wife smoked a corn cob pipe and was accused of adultery, or that Lincoln never went to school or Kennedy wore a back brace or Truman played the piano.
      We are Americans! Our Media vets these things out! We are known for our humanitarian interests and caring for our ‘fellow man.’ We care, but none of us know one single humanizing fact about the history of our own president. Honestly, and this is a personal thing … but it’s bugged me for years that no one who ever dated him ever showed up. Taken his charisma, which caused the women to be drawn to him so obviously during his campaign, looks like some lady would not have missed the opportunity…. We all know about JFK’s magnetism, McCain was no monk; Palin’s courtship and even her athletic prowess were probed. Biden’s aneurisms are no secret. Look at Cheney and Clinton-we all know about their heart problems. How could I have left out Wild Bill before or during the White House? Nope… not one lady has stepped up and said, “He was soooo shy,” or “What a great dancer!” Now look at the rest of what we know… no classmates, not even the recorder for the Columbia class notes ever heard of him. Who was the best man at his wedding? Start there… Check for groomsmen. Then get the footage of the graduation ceremony. Has anyone talked to the professors? Isn’t it odd that no one is bragging that they knew him or taught him or lived with him? When did he meet Michele and how? Are there photos? Every president provides the public with all their photos, etc. for their library. What has he released? Nada – other than what was in this so-called biography! And experts who study writing styles, etc. claim it was not O’s own words or typical of his speech patterns, etc.
      Does this make any of you wonder? Ever wonder why no one ever came forward from Obama’s past, saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc.? Not one person has ever come forward from his past. This should really be a cause for great concern. Did you see the movie titled, The Manchurian Candidate? Let’s face it. As insignificant as we all are… someone whom we went to school with remembers our name or face…someone remembers we were the clown or the dork or the brain or the quiet one or the bully or something about us. George Stephanopoulos, ABC News said the same thing during the 2008 campaign. Even George questions why no one has acknowledged that the president was in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made impromptu speeches on campus. Stephanopoulos was a classmate of Obama at Columbia-class of 1984. He says he never had a single class with him. Since he is such a great orator, why doesn’t anyone in Obama’s college class remember him? And, why won’t he allow Columbia to release his records? Do you like millions of others; simply assume all this is explainable – even though no one can? NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA
      Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but not one remembers him. For example, Wayne Allyn Root was (like Obama) a political science major at Columbia , who graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don’t have a single classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia … EVER! Nobody recalls him. Root adds that he was, “Class of ’83 political science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him.” At our 20th class reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York, ‘the macha’ who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him.” Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook, and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia, provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia. How can this be?
      NOTE: Wayne Allyn Root can easily be verified. He graduated valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science major in the same ’83 class in which Barack Hussein Obama states he was. Some other interesting questions. Why was Obama’s law license inactivated in 2002? Why was Michelle’s law license inactivated by court order? According to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama – but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases. WHAT!? The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where he is never reported to have lived. No wonder all his records are sealed!
      Please continue sending this out to everyone. Somewhere, someone had to know him in school…before he “reorganized” Chicago and burst upon the scene at the 2004 Democratic Convention and made us swoon with his charm, poise, and speaking pizzazz. One of the biggest CONS this country has ever seen, and getting away with it. Go watch the movie The Manchurian Candidate, with Lawrence Harvey ! Good movie! Ask George Soros, HE created Barack Hussein Obama! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj3AECSKmhU THANK YOU FreedomFighter!!!

      • Jay

        The evidence of the lack of evidence that can be used to confirm anything about this particular individual, is most certainly, monumental! This would suggest to me, as well as to many posters here, that our political structure/current administration, is complicit, for whatever, or by whatever reason, bribery/blackmail/death-threats, in this cover-up! I agree, no previous Presidents, enjoyed this level of anonymity!

      • NC

        I particularly like the part where Soros and the boys got those birth noticies in th Hawaii papers. I can see the old night watchman snoozing while the culprits sneak in and plant the old papers in the files while the split-screen shows the other bunch planting the birth certificate! Damn, I’m out of popcorn!
        Boy, that SSN expose took off like an eight hundred pound canary! It got knocked out of the news by a story about a water main break in Concord!HOT STUFF! YEAH, RIGHT!!

  • Falcon99

    Small wonder our nation is in such turmoil when participants on sites such as this cannot be civil to each other! Such outlandish claims! Back-up documentation would be appreciated, as well as proof-reading before posting…sometimes it is very hard to determine what is really meant because of the typos. Please, let us be civil to each other.

  • allosaur

    Me am demand all youse present your credentials onto me da certified dino and me den tells you if yo brain sucks.

    • Tom W.

      As Mushmouth would’ve asked Fat Albert, “Saybaba what manbaba?!!”

  • Palin16

    What a phoney religion islam is. Making their women wear that crap on their heads, women can’t drive, get stoned to death for adultery, major Nidal whats-his-name shooting our brave men and women in uniform as he shouts allahu akbar, all bowing down towards mecca with their butts in the air, sending idiotic suicide bombers out to kill innocent people to collect their 72 virgins, and destroying us from within with Barack Hussein Obama.

    • NC

      Here’s a little home work for you, Palin. How many suicide and car bonbings can you find reported in Iraq and Afghanistan BEFORE bush sent our troops into those countries?

      • JeffH

        NC says POLLY WANT A CRACKER? baaarrraaakkk!

      • Jefferson Thomas

        Not defending Bush but here is some homework for you NC.

        How many people did the Babylonions kill in their empire expansion?

        How many babies did they smash against the wall spilling out their brains in Jerusalem in their cruelty?

        What was the curse that God put on them through his prophet for their cruelty?

        After the fall of Babylon how many empires from the Persians, Greeks, Romans, Turks, British, Americans etc. have trampled them and over run them?

        How many died in the war between the Iraqis and the Iranians?

        • NC

          Jeff, how many innocent babies did God kill the night he went door to door in Exodus killing every “first born” Egyptian because he was pi$$ed at the pharaoh.Innocent children killed because an omnipotent (?)benelovent(?) God had a spat with a king???

          • Jefferson Thomas

            How many chances did God give pharoah to repent and let Israel go before his not so innocent children (who would have perpetuated the slavery of the Israelites) were destroyed? Go back and count them up.

            You mean the same pharoah who ordered all male children of the Israelites to be drowned in the river when they were born in Exodus 1:22.

            Yes, incredibly benevolent omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, God in whom you live, move, and have your being and creation from nano-second to nano-second.

            Considering the crimes of the pharoah against others and God he was incredibly patient and longsuffering.

      • Tom W.

        Sadam would’ve gassed ‘em all! As Fred would have said, “YOU BIG DUMMY!!!”

      • Palin16

        NC,
        You talking about the war in Iraq that then-Sen. Hillary Clinton voted in favor of authorizing? You should know, not many of us here are Bush lovers. However the statute of limitations on Bush is up. Obummer has been in the White House for 3 years now. Gonna still blame Bush for the economy if Obummer wins a second term??

    • Jay

      Apart from drugs, oil and the need for perpetual war, Afghanistan is about bringing the blessings of Western feminism to women there. We are giving them the benefit of promiscuous sex, STD’s, abortion, unemployment, lesbianism, divorce and single motherhood.

      However this bonanza is threatened by Hamid Karzai’s new laws which enshrine the Patriarchy. Accordingly, a woman cannot refuse sex for more than four days. Headlines in the West (where sex is mostly confined to random short-term encounters) are screaming “legalized rape!”

      The laws also stipulate that women cannot seek work, education or even leave the house without their husband’s permission. The law grants custody of children to fathers and grandfathers.

      Since the Afghan war is little understood, “women’s rights” has been a fig leaf for imperialism. So, Westerners are expressing consternation that Hamid Karzai is actually “worse than the Taliban.”

      The gnashing of teeth is particularly acute in Canada which has invested $3 billion and more than 120 lives in the Afghan “mission.” (Another $750,000 is being spent in Canada to brainwash the locals i.e. “projects designed to engage young Muslims and non-Muslims in discussions about discrimination, violence and human rights.”)

      Defence Minister Peter McKay said Karzai’s “legislation won’t fly.” NATO members would be pushing Afghanistan for answers. Remember Karzai is NOT their puppet. (I estimate that an additional 220,000 soldiers will be required to patrol Afghan bedrooms.)

      Isn’t democracy great? Karzai is responding to political pressure in Afghanistan in the run-up to an election. The law is much improved from its original form. For example, the marriage age was raised from nine to 16.

      FEMINISM IS BANKING CARTEL IMPERIALISM

      Like men, women are programmable. They are vulnerable to propaganda stigmatizing family and glorifying “careers” instead. Islam has a right to defend itself from an insidious indoctrination program such as has befallen us in the West.

      I don’t agree with the new laws. The fastest way to alienate a wife from sex is to make it mandatory. The home should not be a prison and women should be free to lead the lives they want.

      But we don’t have the right to force our values on other cultures. How would we like if Taliban arrived in Europe and America with tanks and jet fighters? If their drones mistook us for insurgents and massacred us at our picnics? (The real rape is what we are doing to Afghanistan.)

      How would we like if they forced our women to give up their careers, raise their children and keep house? If they flogged girls who were caught texting nude pics, showing their thongs, or “hooking up”? If they banned usury, gambling, pornography and prostitution? If they persecuted homosexuals and lesbians? If they banned obscenity, violence and sex from TV and movies? If they prohibited alcohol and drugs? If they forced everyone to pray to Allah five times a day?

      What we are doing to them is every bit as bad. Feminism is Rockefeller social engineering. It is cultural imperialism via social disintegration. The central banking cartel has colonized us and we are colonizing Afghanistan in turn. By masculinizing women and feminizing men, feminism has undermined marriage. 40% of US children were born out of wedlock in 2007 compared to four per cent in 1957.

      Masquerading as “women’s rights,” feminism uses women to emasculate men. It destroys the Muslim family, and with it Muslim society and culture. It is designed to sap their resistance and make them docile mindless consumers.

      So I applaud Hamid Karzai and hope he sticks to his guns. Let’s respect their culture and religion. These are human rights. Let’s show some respect and tolerance.

      http://adamite.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/the-colonisation-of-afghanistan/#more-600

      • Tom W.

        Then you applaud the world’s biggest heroin pusher!

        • Jay

          President Hamid Karzai vowed to eliminate Afghanistan’s exploding drug economy, calling for international aid to counter a “cancer” he said was graver than any faced by his country in a quarter-century of war.

          Karzai was opening a conference on U.S.-sponsored plans to crack down on a trade already supplying most of the world’s opium and heroin and which the United Nations says is turning the impoverished country into a “narco-state.”

          In an impassioned speech two days after his inauguration as Afghanistan’s first popularly elected leader, Karzai suggested Taliban militants were funding their stubborn insurgency with drug profits and warned elders and officials from across the country to avert a new disaster.

          “Opium cultivation, heroin production is more dangerous than the invasion and the attack of the Soviets on our country, it is more dangerous than the factional fighting in Afghanistan, it is more dangerous than terrorism,” Karzai said. “Just as our people fought a holy war against the Soviets, so we will wage jihad against poppies.”

          Cultivation of opium poppies has skyrocketed since a U.S. bombing campaign drove the Taliban from power three years ago, fueling concern that billions spent on the effort to stabilize and reconstruct the country could prove in vain.

          Karzai, armed with a popular mandate from a landmark Oct. 9 presidential election, has said that countering narcotics will be the top priority during his five-year term. Britain and the United States are drafting plans to destroy crops, smash laboratories and arrest top smugglers.

          But there is also concern that a heavy-handed approach could backfire, and Karzai has strongly rejected U.S. proposals for a Colombia-style crop dusting campaign to destroy poppy fields. Donors are also supplying millions of dollars to help farmers switch to legal crops.

          Karzai is expected to announce the establishment of a new ministry to lead the anti-narcotics drive, but gave no details of his plans. He focused instead on persuading Afghans that producing drugs was a stain on their nation.

          His audience listened politely as he claimed that virtually all profits from drugs ended up in Western banks and in the pockets of the Taliban “enemies” who helped destroy Afghanistan’s once-famed vineyards and orchards.

          • Tom W.

            His very own brother ran the whole operation before his death!!!

  • Justwonderingwhy!

    I didn’t write this one, but I wish I had.
    REMEMBER JANUARY 3, 2007
    The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007, the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.
    The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995 For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is “Bush’s Fault”, think about this:
    January 3rd, 2007, the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress:
    The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
    The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
    The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
    George Bush’s Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB CREATION!
    By the way GWB had Nothing to do with the GM bailout MR. Obama did all of that not GW!!!!!!!!!
    Remember that day…
    January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.
    The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy?
    BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!
    THANK YOU DEMOCRATS (especially Barney ) for taking us from 13,000 DOW, 3.5 GDP and 4.6% Unemployment…to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac FIASCOES!
    (BTW: Bush asked Congress 17 times to stop Fannie & Freddie – starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy). Barney blocked it and called it a “Chicken Little Philosophy” (and the sky did fall!)
    And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? OBAMA
    And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie?
    OBAMA and the Democrat Congress, especially BARNEY!!!!
    So when someone tries to blame Bush…
    REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007….THE DAY THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!”
    Bush may have been in the car but the Democrats were in charge of the gas pedal and steering wheel they were driving the economy into the ditch. Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party.
    Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as well as 2010 & 2011.
    In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.
    For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budget.
    And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009. Let’s remember what the deficits looked like during that period:
    If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.
    If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself.
    In a nutshell, what Obama is saying is “I inherited a deficit that I voted for, And then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.”
    There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!
    “The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.”
    That my friends constitutes socialism…a welfare state.

    • NC

      Just FURTHER in the same video he specifically thanks freddie and fannie for helping those with “bad credit histories” the most toxic of the loans> TRY” “BUSH PRAISING FANNIE AND FREDDIE” FOR THE VIDEO!!
      SEE ALSO THE BILL HE SIGNED IN 2004 TO USE TAXPAYER MONEY TO MAKE THE DOWN PAYMENT ON LOW INCOME LOANS> 2001????
      ABOUT HIS “52 STRAIGHT MONTHS OF JOB CREATION: THE WALL STREET JOURNAL CALLS HIS 8 YEARS OF ‘JOB CREATION” THE WORST SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION!
      I BELIEVE YOUR POST NEEDS A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH.

      • NC

        JUSTWONDERING,the first part of my post didn’t transmit;
        That part of your post about bush trying to “stop fannie and freddie” as far back as 2001 just doesn’t line up with a video on YOUTUBE FROM 2002 where bush is shown PRAISING FANNIE AND FREDDIE FOR HELPING HIM WITH HIS “everybody who wants to own a home should have a chance”. He goes on in the same video to specifically THANK Freddie and fannie for their help with loans to those with “bad credit histories.” THE MOST TOXIC OF THE LOANS.
        I believe the rest made it through.

      • Tom W.

        There you go with them CAPS again. Hold your voice down a little bit! Barney Frank is the only person I know of who suffers from blunt force trauma to the kisser! Sufferin’ suckatash. Oh please get me a towel!

  • Don Sr.

    cudoes to John Myers for his comment to the prez.

  • Jay

    IntelCenter and As-Sahab logos added at same time, indicating Pentagon linked “middleman” is directly releasing Al-Qaeda videos

    Paul Joseph Watson
    Prison Planet
    Thursday, August 2, 2007

    An expert computer analyst has presented evidence that so-called “Al-Qaeda” tapes are routinely digitally doctored and has also unwittingly exposed an astounding detail that clearly indicates a Pentagon affiliated organization in the U.S. is directly responsible for releasing the videos.

    “Neal Krawetz, a researcher and computer security consultant, gave an interesting presentation today at the BlackHat security conference in Las Vegas about analyzing digital photographs and video images for alterations and enhancements,” reports Wired News.

    “Using a program he wrote (and provided on the conference CD-ROM) Krawetz could print out the quantization tables in a JPEG file (that indicate how the image was compressed) and determine the last tool that created the image — that is, the make and model of the camera if the image is original or the version of Photoshop that was used to alter and re-save the image. “

    Krawetz’s most telling discovery comes in the form of a detail contained in a 2006 Ayman al-Zawahiri tape. From his analysis he concludes that the As-Sahab logo (the alleged media arm of Al-Qaeda) and the IntelCenter logo (a U.S. based private intelligence organization that “monitors terrorist activity”) were both added to the video at the same time.

    This clearly indicates IntelCenter itself is directly creating or at least doctoring the Al-Qaeda tapes before their release. After all, why would Al-Qaeda terrorists be interested in branding their videos with the logo of a U.S. based organization that is run by individuals with close ties to the military-industrial complex?

    In our previous groundbreaking investigation, we exposed IntelCenter, the middleman between “Al-Qaeda’s media arm” and the press, and the organization that routinely obtains the tapes, as little more than a Pentagon front group staffed by individuals with close connections to Donald Rumsfeld and the U.S. war machine.

    IntelCenter were also behind the release of the recent “new” Bin Laden tape, which in actual fact was old footage filmed in 2001 and had been released, including by IntelCenter itself, on no less than two previous occasions spanning back five years.

    http://adamite.wordpress.com/category/war-on-islam/

  • TML

    “Millions of Muslims hate our guts, and no amount of foreign aid or good will is going to change that fact.”

    And I think it’s quite obvious that millions of Christians hate their guts… and no amount of anything is going to change that fact.

    It’s been going on since before the Crusades, and as long as the three religions exist, they will make continuous war with each other… Playing right into the hands of those who seek to control the worlds wealth through black ‘consumable’ gold. Such gold doesn’t last as the other kind does.

    I only hope that…

    “The day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter.” – Thomas Jefferson

  • Michael Jay

    I don’t think he has appeased Islam any more than he has appeased Judism. Both have their problems because its never about the religion but about the Country that practices it.

    • ICE

      It is about Islam. or what used to be Islam but is now mohommedism. A different animal. With your comment, i can tell you know nothing about this Cult. You think everyone is going to be nice and talk their way through problems. This Cult has sworn to kill Americans until we give up and proclaim allah to be god. BO was brought up in a madrasa was a foreign student paid for by Muslims.
      So he has a DOG IN THE HUNT. Don’t be so naive.

      • Jay

        ICE, if i were to force my way into your house, supplant your rules with mine, abused your women and children, steal your wealth, and to top it off, called you a crazy-terrorist for resisting, or attempting to defends yourself; how long would you put up with that, before you risked all, including your life, to take away mine(life)? Think!

  • Jay

    $50-$60 Billion Laundered from US/other nonprofits into illegal West Bank colonies creates threat of terrorism backlash

    Documents

    The following document case file reveals the failure of US law enforcement agencies to act on credible, specific public and private allegations that up to $60 billion has been laundered from the United States and other sources into illegal colonization of the West Bank.

    The US national security interest in averting another 9/11style attack motivated by this type of ongoing illegal activity continues to be high. The Jewish Agency was identified in the 1960′s as a source of $35 million illegally laundered into the United States for stealth grassroots action, PR and lobbying.

    In 2005 the Jewish Agency was again identified at the center of an international money laundering ring—building settlements that are illegal, according to Israeli prosecutor Talia Sasson. Jewish Agency laundering was shut down during Senate and DOJ investigations during the 1960s.

    The Jewish Agency – American Section itself was shuttered after the DOJ forced it to register its covenant agreement revealing it as an agent of the Israeli government in 1969. But since the flow of funds has now reversed, the US Department of Justice and Treasury Department would have to either confront individual persons and entities channeling funds toward illegal ends, or their financial consolidation points. This would occur only if both agencies have escaped regulatory capture and are free to actively pursue the enforcement of US law.

    DOJ and Treasury response to US Nonprofit Money Laundering to the West Bank.

    http://www.irmep.org/ila/moneylaunder/

  • Tom W.

    Good night everybody. I’m tired of arguing with a bunch of jack booted Nazis!!! Y’all better wake up, Jesus is comin’! Don’t get counted amongst the goats!!! (Matt. 25:31-46) He loves y’all and so do I!!!

    • Tom W.

      Oh yeah, I almost Forgot. Has any body seen this piece of propaganda crap?! http://www.tlc.com/AllAmericanMuslim on TLC. Lowes, the home improvement people, pulled their ads from the show and now they’re were I’ll do all my home improvement shopping! The show is an absolute joke.

      • Tom W.

        Hey Jay & NC, STFU!!! Even though you’re both a couple of boneheads, Jesus still loves y’all and so must I! Holla at y’all latta. Adios Amigos, Jesus de alma. Goodnight Brothers and Sisters.

    • Jay

      Rather comical, that a bigoted racist should be irritated by a bunch of jack booted nazis! And why do you sign off with; He loves y’all and so do I!!! Clearly a typo, don’t you think? You most certainly don’t love Muslims, which, btw, are the seed of Abraham, or anyone who disagrees with you, so how can you love all? However, and to your credit, your faith appears firm, but not by your strength, but because of His Might! Good night Champ, sleep tight!

      • Tom W.

        Love the sinner, not the sin!

        • Jay

          Would that apply to you as well, Tom?

          • Tom W.

            I’m human, but since I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior, His blood covers all my sins. Past, present, and future! You have trouble grasping that don’t you Jay? I’m nowhere even close to perfect, but I get a little closer every day. Because I want to hear “Well done my good and faithful servant.”
            Christians don’t do good to be saved, we do good because we are saved.

  • Akhalif Muhammed

    As a muslim I’ve reading all your comments about Islam ,my way of life and it’s a shame that all you people claim to be christians and claim to know so much.You people don’t have a clue history is told by people who wants to tell there story,his-story.Muslims and christians lived side by side worshiping together until the crusades.How do you think the [INDIANS]felt when [EUROPES]digenerates came calling thier way life [BARBARIC].If any of you had a clue about [ISLAM] you would know that it preaches peace,and it teaches us not to turn the other cheek.And I’m not gonna sit by idley why you and others includeing the terrorist to slander or hyjack my way life for political intrest nor will I let anyone muslim,christian,jew,attack my way of life.Idiots thats the problem everyones claiming to know you don’t did any of you know that in order to be muslim you have to believe in all of [ALLAH'S]messengers includeing [ISA-JESUS]ONE OF ALLAH’S MESSENGERS.An to say that the [QURAN]was written by idiot is beyond me,your the idiot because if not knowing how to read or write make you an idiot that.That man you call an idiot has done more for mankind than any of you and me will ever do I bet know one will remember any of us in a 1000 years.And as far ISLAM being a cult who was david quresh,jim jones,heavens gate.I could go on and on so before you go pionting fingers check your own backyard.Really though do we need to go there and yeah I can speak on because me I was born and raised muslim and my [ummie-mother]is a christian and she would be sick to her stomach reading such ignorant comments about [Husband and all 10 of her sons way of life]she might even turn your cheek if you know what I mean.

    • Tom W.

      Dear Mr. Muhammed, while it is true that both Jews and Christians were tolerated in Muslim dominated cultures before the Crusades they were more or less slaves and even forced to pay a special tax! You say your religion is a peaceful religion, your own holy book says that you are not telling the truth! Look up the word Fundalmentalist! That’s what I am as a Christian. That’s what Osama Bin Laden was as a Muslim.

      • Jay

        Middle Eastern opposition to the West is far from being a phenomenon invented by Osama bin Laden, or the Taliban, or for that matter Iran, Iraq or the Palestinians. It has grown consistently since the beginning of the 19th Century as an effective oppositional force both to the West and to local secular rulers.

        Western powers were blind to Middle Eastern opposition forces throughout the 20th Century because they were overshadowed by great power rivalry during this period.

        The original leader of the opposition to the West was Jalal al-Din al-Afghani (1838-1897). Called the “Father of Islamic Modernism, Al-Afghani was educated in Iran, Afghanistan and India. He traveled throughout the Islamic world promulgating an “Islamic reform movement.” Using an Islamic ideology helped him to transcend ethnic differences in the region, and preach a message all would understand.

        He sought to mobilize Muslim nations to fight against Western imperialism and gain military power through modern technology. Al-Afghani claimed that Britain, France and Russia in particular were operating in collusion with Middle Eastern rulers to rob the people of their patrimony through sweetheart deals for exploitation of natural and commercial resources in the region.

        As a direct result of the efforts of Al-Afghani and his followers, groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood evolved throughout the region. These groups generally espoused three methods in their political and religious activity: personal piety coupled with evangelism, religious modernization, and political resistance to secular regimes.

        The Western nations have committed a litany of crimes against the Muslim world according to the Islamic opposition. After World War I, the Middle Eastern peoples were treated largely as war prizes to be divided and manipulated for the good of the militarily powerful Europeans. The British and the French without consent or consultation on the part of the residents created every nation between the Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf for their own benefit. This increased the resentment of the fundamentalists against the West and against the rulers installed by Westerners.

        After World War II, the Cold War conflict between the United States and the Soviet Union fought over the Middle East nations like children over toys. Governments such as those of Egypt, the Sudan, Iraq, and Syria were constantly pressed to choose between East and West. The choice was often prompted by “gifts” of military support to sitting rulers.

        With ready sources of money and guns in either Washington or Moscow, Middle Eastern rulers could easily oppress the religious fundamentalists who opposed them. This added still further to the anger of the religious reformers. At this point the oppositionists abandoned political action through conventional political processes and turned to extra-governmental methods-terrorism-to make their dissatisfaction felt.

        The United States became the sole representative of the West after 1972, when Great Britain, poor and humbled, could no longer afford to maintain a full military force in the region.

        Anxious to protect oil supplies from the Soviet Union, Washington propped up the Shah of Iran and the Saudi Arabian government in the ill-fated “Twin Pillars” strategy. This ended with the Iranian revolution, leaving America with a messy patchwork of military and political detritus.

        When Iran went to war with Iraq, the U.S. supported Saddam Hussein to prevent Iran from winning. Anxious about Soviet incursions into Afghanistan, it propped up the Taliban. These two monstrous forces–Saddam and the Taliban–ARE VERY MUCH AN AMERICAN CREATION.

        The final blow came when America finally had to confront its former client, Iraq, in the Gulf War. Americans established a military base on Saudi Arabian soil-considered sacred by pious Muslims. Saudi officials had been resisting this move for years, knowing that it would be politically dangerous both for them and for the United States. This action was the basis for Osama bin Laden’s opposition to the United States.

        All of this meddling only confirms the century-old assertion that the West was out to rob the people of the Middle East of their prerogatives and patrimony. The current revolutionaries in the region, including the late Osama, have political pedigrees leading directly back to the original reformer, Al-Afghani. Willy-nilly, the United States keeps reinforcing these old stereotypes. It is essential that we find a way to break this pattern, or we will be mired in these troubled relations forever.

      • AKHALIF MUHAMMED

        Don’t label your self your not the same as binladen he was an idiot your not you don’t murder people,and then use thier way of life further to furher your cause.

      • Tom W.

        The ole’ dreaded jizya!

    • Jefferson Thomas

      Ahhh you must mean the history, articles, books, newspapers, and geo-political studies I have done from the from the middle east and elsewhere that I have read by ex-muslims, people who have lived in Islamic cultures and studied them who as you say “You people don’t have a clue history is told by people who wants to tell there story, his-story”.

      So tell me Mr. Muhammed, what would happen to me in Saudi Arabia if the religious police found out about comments I had made about Islam and I was physically there? You are free to criticize, make comments, or insult Christianity or any other religion or philosophy here. What do you think the roots of these differences are? What would happen to me in Saudi Arabia if I openly preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ and built a church?

      How do you think the Arabs, Syrians, Egyptians, Indians, Sudanese, Algerians, Nigerians, Turks, Mongolians, Malaysians, Indonesians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Albanians, Croatians, Greeks, Serbians, Iranians, Afghans, Armenians, Spaniards, Chinese, etc., etc. felt when the Islamic armies showed up and said “submit or die”?

      “Maybe no one will remember us in a thousand years” as you say. But I want to make sure people remember what Islamo-Fascists have done for over a thousand years.

      Yes there are cults in our own back yard and Islam is one of them.

      Jesus Christ the messiah was much more than a messenger. He was God in the flesh in whom the fulness of the Godhead dwelt. He died for my sins and all of our sins in the ultimate act of Love and sacrifice.

      Was your Christian ummie mother kidnapped and forced to marry as Egyptian muslims are doing to Coptic Christians? Just askin’.

      Perhaps you could also give us your insight on muslim slave traders in Africa who operate there to this day. What is your insight on this subject in light of your great and holy book the Quran?

      • Tom W.

        Well said JT! I’ll answer that question for Mr. Muhammad. They would either behead you or bury you up to your waist and stone you to death! Oh, Mr. Muhammad, Jesus loves you and died for you also.

      • AKHALIF MUHAMMED

        Saudi Arabia is a bunch of rich old guys causeing oppression on thier own poeple blameing the west.Who is trying to keep it’s poeple in the dark ages.And yes thsy would have know quams about cutting your head off.To further their murdering ways,I’m not here to defend them because,me personally I can’t stand them useing[Islam]as a cover to commit murder.And as far as my ummie goes,we’re from jamaica and to attack christians would give the terrorist the tools the need to further their agenda.Now if reaaly read my book as you call it,it speaks of a time when thier were secret sects trying to undermind gods choosen few the real christians,muslims,as well jews.

        • Tom W.

          Akhalif, I believe in a America where you are free to be whay you want to be. Thatis your business, not mine. But I am a Christian and be that Jesus is the ONLY way and that I am commanded to try and tell lost souls that Jesus loves them and died for them also. But unless you know him as your personal Lord and Savior, you only have hell to look forward to! I also believe that I have the right to do so under the First Amendment of our Constitution!
          Sharia in the US? What about the rights of the Muslim wife or daughter? As a citizen of the US should they be a victim to the ‘justice’ of their husband or father? No one group should have special rights under the laws of this country! Religious, social or other wise. If a person commits a crime against a gay person, should their penalty be more severe for that crime than if their victim would’ve been straight? If a Muslim is caught stealing from another Muslim, are we as a judicial system going to allow the perpitrator’s hand to be severed? As the Brits would say, POPPYCOCK!!! One of the greatest things about our judicial system, when administered accordingly, is that we are all equal! Gay, stright, male, female, Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, Baptist, atheist, agnostic, wealthy,(And I agree this point needs some work) or poor. We are all to be treated equally and fairly if administered righteously. Are there abuses and miscarriages? Yes and we as a people should work to correct them whenever they occur!
          I believe that this is just an underhanded ploy by the far left in this country to furthur the gay agenda. God help them, as us all, if Sharia gets it’s nose under the tent! And I truly believe that it already has!!!!

  • chuckb

    islam is a cult, a belief for the ignorant. we will rue the day allowing muslims to settle in this country.may they all cloth themselves with pig skins.

    • AKHALIF MUHAMMED

      Islam is a way of life,now those in power are the cult.you must uderstand that once you control a persons thought you don’t have to worry about their actions.They that their muslim but their not they dont practice traditional ISLAM,their practicing their-lam not is ISLAM.

  • opar5

    Until some rational explanation is provided for president Obama’s apparent immunity to the lethal penalty both Islamic doctrine and Sharia law demand for the apostasy he claims, we can only assume his claim of becoming a Christian (without ever listening to his pastor’s fiery sermons) is taqiyya: Divine deceit to achieve Allah’s will. Koran 9:29.
    Is there a better explanation for the damage he has done and is doing using noble verbiage and claiming good intentions? Are his factual results unintentional? I think not.

    • Tom W.

      That’s our Barry! Yeah opar5, that’s where it is even praised that they lie through their teeth in order to further Islamic interests isn’t it?! Did you ever see that picture of Rev. Wright, Muammar Gaddafi , and Louis Farrakhan all huddled up like they were at a graduation reunion. I wonder why Barry wasn’t in it!

  • Jessica Dunbolt

    I respect the office of the President but cannot respect the president. He either does not know what he is doing or he has planned the downfall of our wonderful country. The Muslims might be a peaceful people but you certainly have fooled me. Our God preaches love and to turn the other cheek but Allah insists on beheadings and other atrocities. Can’t see how that is peaceful. Yes Obama did order Osama Bin Laden taken out but only when his back was against the wall and he was perceived as “WEAK’. Now that we are in the middle of selecting a candidate for the primary elections and Obama has heard almost all the candidates complain regarding his lack of understanding how to put our people back to work, he has decided now is the time to extend the tax cut for small businesses. He was adamant regarding any tax cuts. What happened?? If his job is threatened, he will do anything to hold it against all his muslim principles. BEWARE EVERYONE, IF HE GETS THE PRESIDENCY FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS, HE WILL NOT HAVE TO BOW AND SCRAPE TO HOLD HIS POSITION. (He can serve just one more four year term and then he is out). THEN,HE WILL TAKE OUR COUNTRY DOWN! REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU GO TO THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER 2012.

    • Tom W.

      Good point Jessica, but when it comes to Osama, Obama tends to get a little to much credit if you ask me. To his credit, he did give the go ahead. I personally find it inexcusable that he wasn’t taken alive, but Barack just happened to be in office when we found him.
      “For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one of a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman, But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, REJOICE, THOU BARREN THAT BEARETH NOT; BREAK FORTH AND CRY, THOU THAT TRAVAILETH NOT: FOR THE DESOLATE HATH MANY MORE CHILDREN THAN SHE WHICH HATH A HUSBAND. Now we, brethern, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what sayeth the scripture? CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON: FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN. So then, brethern, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.” – Galatians 4:22-31

  • Michael Hardesty

    Bob, the anti-Islam fanatics who posted above me are the biggest bunch of Know-Nothing bigots I’ve come acrosss outside of Black Racists here in Oakland. They are incredibly stupid and by your own avowed anti-racist standards should be purged from your site.
    They know nothing but hatemonger agit-prop morons about Islam and are totally stupid when it comes to the bloody history of the Christ Cult over the last 2,000 plus years.
    As an atheist I have no desire to get involved in another crusades
    and if THIS is the opposition to Obama then he’s a shoo-in and should be much as I loathe him on a rational basis.
    Get these goofballs off to the David Whorewitz site for Likudnik psychos.

    • Jefferson Thomas

      Michael,

      Interesting post.

      Islamo-fascists don’t care if you are a Christian, Jew, Atheist, Agnostic, Objectivist, Deist, New Ager, Buddhist, Hindu, Animist, or if your God is the state. Their ultimate goal is a world wide caliphate in which you will submit or die.

      If you really believe in the innate goodness of Islam, then I challenge you to catch the next jet to Mecca, rent a hall, publicly advertise for your lectures on atheism, and let us all know how it went for you (you may want to have someone secretly record the proceedings as you won’t be coming back).

      Game, set, match.

      BTW as a former atheist of 25 years I just said a prayer for you that God will reveal himself to you, that the scales will fall off of your eyes, and I wanted to say that the supreme creator of the universe loves you and wants to give you life for eternity…his name is Jesus. May the blessings of his love shine on you.

      • Tom W.

        I couldn’t have said it any better JT! Michael, you’re in my prayers also.

  • Joseph

    America, before you go to remove the speck from the eye of other peoples and nations, first remove the log from your own eye that is blinding you to your own deplorable moral, social, and civil state.

    You have no right to point to the Taliban with their extreme practice of women wearing burqas, when you evidence an even more destructive and deplorable extreme practice at the other end of the spectrum in nudity and immodest sensual dress and behavior among women. You are hypocritical!

    You condemn one extreme, and practice the far worse opposite extreme. You condemn excessive erroneous modesty, and practice excessive erroneous immodesty, which is far worse!

    You boast that you are a Christian nation, when you fail to practice Christian principles and teachings such as men being the head of the home, no divorce (except for infidelity), no unwholesome word coming out of your mouth, modest dress, women covering their heads when they pray, women not assuming a teaching or leadership role in the church, in like manner women rejecting the Eveonian practice of participating in civil governance in violation of that which our forefathers delivered to us, and finally, not committing murder when you murder 3,500 babies every day!

    You are self-righteous to criticize and condemn the Muslim and the Taliban, when you are so guilty of the opposite in sinfulness and licentiousness. The stark reality is that the Muslims are more righteous than you! What right then do you have to judge them?

    You object to Afghanistan growing poppy, when you are the ones buying and consuming it.

    You object to those who practice circumcision of girls, when in America one out of four teenage girls, and nearly half of all black teenage girls, contract a venereal disease that causes cervical cancer. Where is our shame and embarrassment and even correction as a nation?

    You object to and belittle the practice of peoples who have arranged marriages with divorce rates as low as two percent, when among you live-in relationships are both common and accepted, and your divorce rate is among the highest in the world – over fifty percent! In fact, the divorce rate of Protestant Christians in this country is higher than the divorce rate of atheists! So where does the problem lie? Squarely in this nation’s hypocrisy!

    Heal your own house, America, before you criticize others. You need to solve your own massive social, moral, civil, and religious problems first and foremost, before you consider pointing a finger at anyone.

    As Yahshua said regarding such hypocrisy, first remove the log from your own eye, for only then will you have the clear sight to remove the speck from the eye of another. And most certainly, when you remove the log from your own eye, you will see that some of the practices of others are not even wrong, but actually right and good.

    You object to China exporting toys into this country because the lead content of the paint might harm our children, yet parents provide music and entertainment that harms far more than their bodies, corrupting their spirits and their souls, exacerbating our nation’s moral, social, and civil problems.

    You demand women’s rights in other countries, when the selfsame Eveonian movement here is destroying education, wrecking countless families, killing 3,500 babies every day, and has led to government spending that will implode our nation’s finances and economy.

    You react with disdain when you hear of honor killings by Muslims, yet you have the blood of 3,500 innocent babies every day on your hands.

    Irregardless of your opinion of honor killing, there are some things that are worse than death. As a Christian, Paul turned a man over to Satan to kill him, that his soul might be saved. Paul did not kill him directly, but his intent was nonetheless the same.

    The same God who instructed children to honor their father and their mother, also required that if they struck their parent or rebelled, they were to be killed. And if a spouse committed adultery, they too were to be killed.

    Who then can be so quick to condemn the Muslims? At least they have a zeal for God and righteousness and family honor, things that this nation has deleteriously and shamefully forsaken.

    The fact is that this infrequent practice is wholly dwarfed by the number of abortions of innocent children that are performed simply out of convenience. And many of those honor killings are the product of the corrupted culture that America markets and Muslim families wholly reject. So we then ask, who truly kills them, the one who throws the stone, or the ones who lay the stumbling stone?

    Look at America before 1920 when the Curse came upon us, and you will see from whence we have fallen and have shamefully departed. Americans have slipped away from those things which were long held so dear. Yes, the seeds of corruption had already been sown, were growing, and would bring us to the debased state we are in today; but at least the women still dressed modestly and exclusively wore long dresses.

    Even the Eveonian feminists regarded abortion to be reprehensible murder. And women at least wore hats (the corrupted remains of headcoverings) as a covering on their heads; and the idea of women wearing pants or smoking was a matter of public ridicule. Women were instead honored as homemakers, housewives, and mothers. A man would take his hat off and open the door for her, stand up when she entered a room, and do likewise when she left. Where is that deserved honor today?

    “Tolerance” was regarded as evil, destructive, and shameful compromise. Swimwear completely covered the bodies of both men and women.

    Out-of-wedlock pregnancy was a social shame and stigma to be avoided. Families were intact, including the now-destroyed black families.

    Entertainment and recreation were wholesome.

    Courtship was a formal part of a relationship before marriage. Churches and the press would oppose and speak out against the oncoming corruption of jazz music that was being fostered in dark marijuana-smoke-filled brothels and bars.

    Men looked like men, and women looked like women; and homosexuality was an offensive and repulsive covert act. And yes, the cost of government was still very much limited, yet poised for the skyrocketing effects of women’s suffrage.

    If all of these virtues that were practiced by the people of this nation for over 300 years meant nothing, the very virtues that formed, birthed, and matured this nation as a product of the Age of Enlightenment and religious devotion, why then did they faithfully practice them? One must ask the question why these formative generations indeed followed these virtuous and responsible ways.

    And why, therefore, was it that the less modesty Americans evidenced in their dress and behavior, and the less women dressed like women and began dressing and acting more like men, the more we experienced the ever-encroachment of our present depravation?

    Divorce rates consequentially climbed; respect for parents therefore decreased, and essential family structure crumbled; out-of-wedlock births concurrently increased, and the stigma decreased; marriage rates decreased; venereal diseases increased; suicide increased; live-in relationships became accepted and increased; respect for authority and adults decreased; murder and violent crimes increased; rape increased; the quality of education decreased; the quality of music degenerated to become morally, socially, and even physically destructive; entertainment became more and more defiled; pornography increased; homosexuality became accepted and increased; abortion became accepted and increased; the size and cost of government systematically increased, now to fatal proportions!

    This nation will not be morally virtuous until a proper outward appearance is restored that history has shown matches an inner moral position. Our outward compromises in virtuous appearance, are a reflection of our inward compromises in virtuous principles and practices. We as a people no longer seek these higher qualities, and will thereby most certainly destroy us. We are a nation with no shame or moral constraint, and we cannot compromise forever!

    We would thereby be wise to heed the words of Thomas Jefferson, who forewarned: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.”

    • Tom W.

      Joseph, that was quite a sermon. I had to step away for a moment after reading it because you are right, we do have a tree stuck in our own eye! But when you defended the practice of honor killings, I couldn’t help thinking of Jesus and what He said when the woman accused of adultery was brought before Him. I have to go back to work right now, but i’ll have more to say later.

      • Tom W.

        In that day, he that shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot’s wife.” – Luke 17:32
        It seems to me Joseph that you do a lot of looking back in your assessment of our country!

        • Joseph

          Motivated by the loving, yet stern warning from the “Author of our Salvation”: Revelation 2:4 “Yet I hold this against you, you have forsaken your first love!”

        • Tom W.

          you point back to a pre-1920′s America in your post as a time before the curse. What curse you’re referring to you don’t elaborate on. Was it the prohibtion, women’s right to vote, black’s right to vote, what exactly was the curse you were referring to that marked the departure from the good ole’ days? The roaring 20′s and jazz music?! flappers? What?! We’re a nation, and a world for that fact, who’ve forgotten God and as Psalm 9:17 says, “The wicked will be turned into hell, and all nations that forget God.” A lot of people quote II Chron. 7:14 and say, “ If we could could just return to the way we did things in the good ole’ days.” Were we really that righteous in the good ole’ days or did we just do a little better job of covering up our wickedness? I pray that I’m wrong, but I really don’t think that I am, I personally believe that it is too late. (Jer. 30:23&24) As Jesus said in Luke 17:32 conserning the signs of the end-times, “Remember Lots’ wife.” What did Lots‘ wife do? She looked back! (Gen.19:26) Earthquakes, we got ‘em! Famines and pestilences, we got ‘em! Wars and rumors of war, we got ‘em! These things are happening because they’re supposed to. These are the birth pangs. (Jer. 30:6 & I Thess.5:3) Just look at all the natural disasters going on around the world, along with all the man-made and political turmoil, then look at those poor souls in Haiti. They’re a perfect example of both. Even Job at his worse, would have to fill sorry for them. And the World Bank continues to sit on most of the five-billion plus dollars raised worldwide for their relief. Those people are suffering and dying!!! And this might sound horrible, and again , I pray that I’m wrong. But I believe that the bankers are hoping that most of the natives will die. Then they can use the relief money to build some more Beaches, Sandals, or Atlantis type casinos and resorts. 2011 will go down in the books as the most expensive year in history as far as natural disasters worldwide go. Last year there was a story on the news that the city of Houston has made it illegal for concerned citizens and street ministries to feed the homeless without a special permit, which cost a minimum of $200. This year Pensacola, FL the largest city in florida’s second poorest large county tried to pass an ordinance making it illegal to be homeless! An ordinance already on the books in Orlando, Florida’s fifth largest city. (Psalm 37:14&15) I could go on and on, but where would I be able to stop?! God have mercy on us!!!
          That all said I still don’t understand your defense of a religion that holds to pretty much “old testament” punishments for certain sinful acts. Jesus died for us all! Who are we to judge?!! (Matt. 6:14&15, 18:21&22, Luke 17:3&4, & Eph. 4:32)Hey if you don’t like the freedoms we enjoy here in the Land of the Free and the home of the Brave, why do you want to leave your home land and come here? When you leave your homeland to come to America, it should be because you want to be an American. How are you going to defend a judge in this country allowing a Muslim man to force his wife to have sexual relations because that’s his religious right, when another man would be charged with either rape or a serious domestic violence charge?! And let’s face it, rape is rape whether you’re married to that person or not. Your wife is not Chattle! Galatians 3:28,(KJV) says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” A New Testament commandment you seem to kinda ignore!
          “Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place to wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, said the Lord.” Rom. 12:19

        • AKHALIF MUHAMMED

          We can sit around and quote scriptures all day but the question is are we practicing what we preach.Thats what the elders do to brainwash the youth stop quoteing scriptures and live it and that goes for all of us.We’re forgetting we live in the safest country in the world.After so many years lieing to the people and the youth they see the truth,the people of the middle east just wants live worship the way they want to.Why can’t they voice their opinion,because if they did secret police knocking down doors killing everyone.For years the people have suffered at the hand of these tyrrants.I know first hand been there done that and hate it.

          • Jefferson Thomas

            You meant to say that the religious police and the agents for the mullahs would come knocking on their doors. Correct?

  • mike1127

    Everyone on here should read the link supplied by Jefferson Thomas. It is http://www.historyofjihad.org/ and is the best article on islam I have ever read. Thank you very much for providing it, Mr. Thomas.

    islam is a cancer upon the face of the earth, and should be treated as such. It is a disgustingly vile political party disguised as a religion. Humanity has no chance for advancement as long as we allow islam to exist. Anyone that believes islam is in any way peaceful knows absolutely nothing of its history. I am in no way religious, and have no animosity towards any religion except islam. islam, in its arrogant stupidity, has made itself too dangerous to be allowed to exist. If we do not get rid of islam, islam will get rid of us. Screw allah with mohammed’s head.

    • Tom W.

      Did you know that under Sharia law a Muslim man can have four wives?(Sura 4:3) Mohammed had nine, one was only nine years old when Mohammed married her at the ripe old age of 54. Aisha was her name and turned out to be probably his most outspoken wife, confronting him by saying how convenient it was that everytime he did something against his own teachings, he recieved a revelation from Allah declaring it justified!

    • Tom W.

      Thank you so much for that web-site Mike!
      God bless!!!

    • AKHALIF MUHAMMED

      Maybe you better find some way of life because you seem very angry knowledge starts with self.You people are really ignorant,just to say the lease for years yall have been causeing destruction and chaos now foryou to really direspect someones way of life is beyond me.Through out history war has been waged believers and non-believers.You people stop reading half and start reading the,whole thing your worse than the elders,why because you don’t understand what your reading in order to understand [QURAN]you must read all of it includeing the commentary at the bottom of the pages where it explains the scripture and directs you to certain scriptures in the [BIBLE].So to leave a message like you did,it’s okay because you don’t know,so keep attacking my way of because it brings more to the fold of [AL-ISLAM].You can’t handle the truth,so continue to attack because it’s always been yall way but remember,oppression is worse than slaughter oppression is worse than the grave it’s better to live or die for a noble cause than to live and die a slave.Now thats [ISLAM].You all are a bunch of spiritual homosexuals.AS-SALAAM-U-LAKIUM.

      • Jefferson Thomas

        Nothing wrong with being angry at sin and evil, in fact the Bible God’s inspired word tells us to be angry at sin and hate evil (as in the evil “Satanic Verses” of Mohammed).

        There are evil men in every culture of course. However Islam is a system of evil and hate with power over every sector of life ie. religion, state, personal life, business life all consoldated into a fascistic system.

        Do I disrespect this, hate it, and am I angered by the peoples of the world in ignorance, pain, and bondage because of it? You betcha.

        The fact that the quran contains portions of the Bible means nothing in the context of it being the authoritative word of God. Satan quotes the scriptures eg. when he came to tempt Jesus after his forty day fast in the wilderness. Satan works through all types of religions (including Christianity) and they are in fact useful for his purpose of destroying our ability to have a personal relationship with God which is what God wants the most from every human being.

        I always pray for the people decieved by Islam. I pray that the Holy Spirit of God will bring them to the realization that Jesus the Messiah came to die and be the sacrifice for their sins and that he came to set the captives free and to heal the brokenhearted. That they see that God loved us all so much and wants us to come to the Kingdom of his Light and to share it with us.

        I pray that God will confuse the plans of the leaders of Islam and that they will come to the knowledge of his saving Grace. I pray that the perpetrators of evil terrorist plots will be confused and do stupid things so that they are caught or killed to prevent them hurting others.

        I pray that you as a slave of Islam find the Peace and Freedom of the Infinite I AM, the God of the universe, our Saviour and Lord Jesus Christ Amen.

      • Tom W.

        Did he say yall?!

  • Jefferson Thomas

    @ Brian Schulz,

    Define “Good majority of the founding fathers were slave owners and traders”. According to http://www.quora.com/How-many-of-Americas-founding-fathers-were-slave-owners of the 55 delegates at the constitutional convention 49% were slave owners. Seems to me that doesn’t make even the 50% simple majority cut-off. Does this minimize the horrible institution of slavery…in one word NO. On the other hand you are playing fast and loose with the facts. America no longer has the institution of slavery in the form of the plantation owner owning a slave. America still does have people who are slave owners my friend. Now we have wage slaves, slaves to a corrupt government (if you think you are a property owner in the US, then I challenge you to forego paying your rent to the landlord in the form of property tax) , and slaves to a corrupt debt fiat monetary system.

    Do a search on the internet and you will find that slavery and the slave trade is still practiced in many places, including muslim slave traders who ply a trade they have been in for over a thousand years (a search for North African slave trade may help).

    Actually I was describing muslims and it does fit some catholic priests as well…and your point is? I listen to, read, and research about information reported as the “news”.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Muslim women are slaves. They are treated by their men and their culture, worse than most cultures treat their animals. It doesnt matter what the charge, if an Islamic man wants to get rid of his wife in the middle east, all he has to say is that she offended him, and he can kill her, no questions asked. They are indeed slaves to the whole Islamic culture, where they are treated as second hand citizens, with no rights or value.

  • http://boblivingston steve

    All these comments are so right on target. The real shame is that the people who need to do something about all these great points are unwilling to help. Through the years things have gotten worse for us and more and more scary. These are not good times to be in the USA.
    What is really sad is, we are a wonderful country and have done so much for our country and indeed the world, but we are on our way down and its our leaders who are standing by and doing nothing but talking.
    Time to stop the talk and have some real positive agressive action.
    I don’t think all these comments, including mine, will make a thimble
    full of difference.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      But finley, a place to Vent & get feedback!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Why wouldnt he, after all, he is a muslim. He fully admitted it when talking to George Stephanapoulas years ago.

  • Deerinwater

    Not all but some people live in constant fear, it’s a condition of the mind that is commonly called paranoia.

    What is Paranoia?
    Paranoia involves feelings of persecution and an exaggerated sense of self-importance. Paranoia occurs in many mental disorders and is rare as an isolated mental illness. Since the delusions involve only one area, a person with paranoia can usually work and function in everyday life, however, their lives may be limited and isolated. There are different types of paranoia including conjugal paranoia, erotomania, hypochondriacal paranoia, and different types of paranoid disorders such as paranoid personality and paranoid schizophrenia.

    Symptoms of Paranoia:
    Symptoms of paranoia and paranoid disorders include intense and irrational mistrust or suspicion, which can bring on sense of rage, hatred, and betrayal. Some people suffering from paranoid personality may have a high capacity to annoy or enrage others because of rigid and maladaptive behavior. Some identifiable beliefs and actions of paranoid-related disorders include mistrust, taking offense easily, difficulty with forgiveness, defensive attitude in response to imagined criticism, preoccupation with hidden motives, fear of being deceived or taken advantage of, inability to relax, argumentative, abrupt, stubborn, self-righteous, and perfectionistic.

    If you experience some or a combination of these symptoms please see your family doctor and confront this disorder and the absence of peace in your life.

  • JPS

    and so the son Osama came to us out of this mess.

  • Deborah Donnison

    DId you know that Romney’s grandfather had 5 wives…that he fled the US to Mexico to keep from being prosecuted??? (It could have been great-grandfather…not sure…there are so many of the Romney clan named after each other…it’s had to keep straight)

  • Deborah Donnison

    DId you know that the Bible appears in MOST of the Koran…not just a piece of it??? Except the Koran goes on to say more….DID you know that the folks who published the Bible decided to leave out a LOAD of information because they didn’t like what it said…that it didn’t promote the ideas and the lies that they had conveyed for their own profit? Did you know that Mohammad had ascended into heaven to talk with GOD and Jesus??

  • Deborah Donnison

    But what can I say for a site that is BIG OIL related…not much. What can you say about a guy that like’s hanging around the rich? What can you say about a guy who is a FEAR MONGER?

  • Aishah Islam

    What is all this talk about muslims coming from the mouths, or keyboards, of people who know nothing about it and don’t even bother to consider common sense. As a muslim woman who wears the veil there are a few things I would love to say. First of all I like my veil. Look at any picture of the virgin Mary you will see that, HELLO, she is wearing a veil. When Mary mother of Jesus is wearing a veil it is seen as honorable and pious yet when some people see the likes of me in my veil, it evokes all kinds of negative connotations. Oh yeah by the way if any of you bigots think me to be degraded or abused simply because I’m in a veil then why would you yell obscenities at me as you pass by in your vehicle? For your edification far from veiled women being weak and passive we take the brunt of the abuse from ignorant people who hate muslims. It takes a pair of brass cajones to go around dressed in a veil. Then again don’t cowards and bullies fear strong people who don’t have the sense to know they aught to be a good victim? Next time get out of your vehicle and tell me to go home to my face… I’m with you Deborah I’ve had it with ignorant fear mongers.

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