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Liberals Quick To Act, Blast Political Opponents Following Arizona Shooting

January 13, 2011 by  

Liberals quick to act, blast political opponents following Arizona shootingThe Democratic response to the Jan. 8 shooting in Tucson, Ariz., has left many commentators questioning whether left-wing politicians are using this deadly event to bolster their political agenda.

FOX News recently detailed the stark differences in President Barack Obama's reaction to the Arizona massacre to his response following the 2009 shootings in Fort Hood that left 13 dead and 30 wounded. Following the deaths at the military base, Obama went ahead with his speech at the Tribal Nations Conference, making time to thank those in attendance before addressing the incident.

Following the shooting this past weekend, Obama made a statement to the press, called for a national moment of silence and canceled a trip to New York. He also sent FBI Director Robert Mueller to the crime scene in Tucson, the news provider reported.

Many liberal politicians have been vocal following the shooting, placing some of the blame on the rhetoric used by right-wing talk show hosts and members of the Tea Party. Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has fielded criticism for having crosshairs symbols on her website that targeted congressional districts.

Boston Herald columnist Michael Graham said that many leftists are using the recent shootings in an effort to discredit their political opponents.

"They have absolutely no shame in using the blood of a wounded congresswoman or a dead 9-year-old girl to do it," Graham wrote.

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  • s c

    What? Left-wing moonbat politicians are suddenly using this deadly event to bolster their political agenda? Perish the thought. It can’t happen here. Why, these wonderful, special people CARE (as long as they’re getting PAID, that is).
    Come on, America. Smell the frickin’ coffee. Stick that flower under your nose and take a deep breath. Think. Use that silly putty between your ears. Those big chunks at the top of the Washington septic tank are exactly what you think they are. Wasn’t the stench enough to get your attention?
    As long as incompetent, no-talent scum are attracted to Washington, this will never end. Remember, a politician is a politician is a politician.
    [Politician: an utterly devolved human who has no talent, and specializes in doing the wrong thing at the wrong time for the wrong reason(s), yet is permitted to live like royalty at America's expense]. Who says crime doesn’t pay?

    • Norm

      s c
      Have you caught Rush’s comments lately? Rocks come from both sides, and it is dumb.

      • marvin

        Norm
        ever heard of turn the channel if you don,t like something, mad people do what mad people do,bad things why did jef dahmer kill and eat people why did ide amin kill and eat people why did saddam hussein use gas to murder 2 or 3 hundred thousand of his citizens, why did hitler have 3 million jews killed and the list goes on, ,i know it was the right wing repubicans that caused them to do bad things,don,t put the blame where blame is do,it is easer to blame me or russ or hanity or palin and don,t forget my favority one bush ,a liberals creed, never let a crisis go to wasty, if you can blame someone ,but stupid is as stupid does,

        • Denniso

          I just saw an ex girl friend of the killer interviewed…she says he hated gov’t and thought it was ‘crap’. So,despite all the arguments for him being a rightwingers or left,he appears to be an anti gov’t guy. Can anyone tell me which political party has been demonizing the Federal gov’t for the past many yrs? Can anyone imagine that a mentally ill kid could be influenced by all the hate directed at the gov’t and maybe decide to act on the hate and vile comments made about the gov’t?

          No one does much of anything in a vacuum,good or bad. A part of our society set the stage for an unbalanced and confused young man to act on the words and tone of millions of anti gov’t adults, and now 6 are dead,and one a 9 yr old little girl.

      • proctologists for obama

        Rush, I think they’ve been around since 1968 from Canada, not the same rush as when I eat Limburg-er cheese, I’m sure

    • bobwire

      Sure sc, they are acting just like Republican aren’t they?

      I know it’s been a long time ago, but do you remember the BP drilling mishaps? The OOP!

      • kate8

        Gee, and Obama appointed a BP exec as secretary of energy.

        Who was in charge of that, again?

        • bob wire

          which means ~ what? BP is not to be trusted? BP is naughty? Any and everyone from BP is bad news?

          see how Kate has pounced on the very mention of BP?

          Thank you Kate, the point well made.

          • Dogma-Free

            Exactly, Bob.

            And even more, I was utterly appalled in the way that Sarah Palin tried to cash in on the shooting victims of the Tucson gun tragedy by trying to perpetuate the notion that she herself was also a victim!! Deplorable!

            That woman has zero shame, zero self-worth, and zero credibility, and she has no business being in politics.

            She allowed herself to be used as a tool (a complete tool, at that) of one of the most prominent examples of social engineering since the 9/11 ‘incident’ was used to rally support for the unlawful invasion of Iraq.

            Clearly the current batch of Republicans have no shame whatsoever, and Palin just needs to be ignored until she just goes away. It’s really as simple as that.

          • kate8

            Sarah Palin cashed in?!!!!

            OMG. You guys are real pieces of work.

          • kate8

            bob wire – Are you seriously saying that you have no problem with such an obvious conflict of interest?

            Your hypocrisy is mind-blowing. You guys are always the ones complaining about corporate interests running the government.

            Nothing else need be said here.

          • bob wire

            You Win Kate, I can’t begin to follow you. You seem to go where one ones dare to go before. What conflict of interest? “O” with his BP appointment? that’s all I can figure? You see conflict there?

            As for hypocrite, that’s what I was high lighting for sc when you launched your devastating assault. LOL!

            In any case, you’re half baked attacks are meaningless to me. As soon as you make a serious effort to make some sense I’ll be happy to give you the play.

            There is maybe 10 regular fire breather that like to show up here and huff and puff. I’m not sure what I’d do without the daily humor.

            And yes ! Special Interest concerns have yet to be address and for good reasons ~ they are the Generals perched on a hilltop watch the battle from a safe distance so their name doesn’t get mentioned and they stay unsoiled from the fray.

          • kate8

            bw – Of course I’m talking about BP. I can’t control where the post shows up on the thread.

            How is it that we have an exec for a major oil company heading the department of energy? It seems Odumbo has stacked the government with corporate interests all the way around. (Goldman-Sachs…)

          • Denniso

            Poor Sara Palin…she lobs violent rhetoric for a couple of yrs,then when people say there could be a link w/ the Tucson killer,she feels personally victimized and attacked. So, she has to deliver a proffessionally produced video w/ the flag behind her on the morning of the day for the memorial to honor the real victims. She could have either kept her mouth shut or waited until after the memorial. That’s how the phrase ‘cashed in’ is somewhat appropriate. She was trying to ‘cash in’ politically w/ her pathetic video,which made her look/sound so differently than she normally does,I was actually amazed how they ‘cleaned her up’.
            Hopefully this blatant attempt at self serving politics will doom her politically and she’ll retire to the big money of television.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    To cash in on a tragedy such as what happened in Tucson is shameful. And the media should be concentrating on the shooter; he is responsible.

    • bobwire

      I think there is enough “shame” to go around to where everyone get some.

      • kate8

        Yeah. The Left immediate hurls accusations blaming rightwing politicians and talkshow hosts, and we aren’t supposed to fight back.

        Had the Left not started this before ambulance left the scene, it wouldn’t have happened. They stir up the pot and then blame the Right for not just the actions of the perp, but for the name-calling, too!

        I for one am fed up with villifying by the Left, which is nothing but a play for more power and more trashing of our rights.

        • bob wire

          Ate up or fed up? I think you could sweat poison Kate

        • HFlashman

          Errrr..Kate, you should get your facts straight. No one began anything ‘before the ambulance ” left the scene…they were all Life Flighted. There was no ambulance except those vehicles for the dead.

          And be honest….was there not a thought crossing your mind before the real lunacy of the shooter was known…that it may well have been a TPer as the shooter? Or was that thought one that it was a liberal doing the shooting?

          Finally…how about Palin’s lil’ vid that she was the target of a “blood libel’ … and the semitic overtones that phrase carries? Or Boehner turning down the invite to tide AF One to Tuscon..instead opting for attending a fundraiser at the same time the memorial was being conducted.

          Any comments?

          • kate8

            Sarah was using the term ‘blood libel’ following a progressive talker having just previously used that term.

            Geez. You libs are after me today. You’ll have to do better than that. I’ve taken more from smaller minds than yours.

            Knock yourselves out.

          • libertytrain

            I just spent the time listening to her entire video. I see no anti-Semitic meaning in the way she used the term.

          • HFlashman

            Actually Kate…in yet another time to get you to use facts instead of untruths…it was a videotaped statement she made and not responding to any “previous progressive’ statement.

            Liberty..I never stated it was anti-Semitic. Even palin isn’t that stupid..well…..OK, just not this time. What I refr to is her use of ‘blood libel’ to compare the outrage of today with the false claims against Jews in legitimizing pogroms of the mid Dark Ages and later Rennaisance Age where the claims were made of matzah boiled in blood, eating christian children etc etc.

            Opening a dialogue over the very real subject of the violent overtones of the Right and the TPers is “blood libel” with all it’s overtones? Really?

          • libertytrain

            I know the origins of the term. However, many terms have ugly origins and then these same terms are later used with a slightly different connotation. Perhaps in this case it could be construed that she meant the pundits,etc were draining the blood of the innocents.

          • libertytrain

            I’m sorry Flashman but your last line made “Saturday Night Live” pop into my imagery. “Really.”

        • wayne

          Kate8, I have decided not to argue with some of the leftist on this forum. These folks will never see the light. My father always told me that arguing with idiots only drags you down to their level. I won’t name any names, but you know who I am talking about here. I am on you side Kate8. I will not say anymore.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    they are using this as a politcial agenda for thierselves watch them foam at the mouth.To me they are like rabid dogs.

  • TIME

    Get out the TIN FOIL CAPS and tune into WHat Dat Beeee.

    Yes we can transmit waves of Duh to your melted cheese matter very fast.
    And if U’s get Ualls caps on in the next 10 seconds you will geta BOUNUS of a free turd on a stick, handy when your sitting at the tellie down loading your daily spot on reporting, done by trained Monkeys.

    So hurry for todays down load ~ we have Inplants to embed in your melted cheese matter.

    • HFlashman

      Time…you truly don’t know much and what you may know a little, you get it wrong.

      http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

      And BTW…it’s not a trucking company. Get it straight.

      • TIME

        No Flash you noted You own a trucking Company.

        As to the tin foil caps – Norm and Flash, I got it right.
        Enjoy your pretzel world, and just keep on being U’s.

        • bob wire

          “January 13, 2011 at 7:33 am”

          you have a far better mind and quicker humor.

    • Norm

      TIME
      I presume you’re talking about Glenn Beck.

    • bobwire

      very childish talk Time. ~ you can do better.

      • TIME

        Bob, Why??????????

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    It is totally amazing that the Potus and his band of not so merry scoundrels are raping the USA and Americans seem to be enjoying it!
    Where have all the good guys gone? Cheapskates is the correct spelling for politicians and they do not care one iota about you or America – you better find a leader that does and very soon! time is wasting!

    • Irv

      Peter says, the politico’s are CHEAPSKATES….. What rock has he been hiding under??? These same politicans have ran this once great country so far into debt you’ll mever see the day we dig orselves out !!! Nothing cheap about these a-holes but their thoughts of the American people, the people that put them into those positions.

    • HFlashman

      I know…I know…we should have let the economy crash and not supported it with Stimulus monies. We should have let the finanical industry totally collapse, we should have let the auto industry collapse, we should not have sent monies for rebuilding infrastructure, we should not have extended unemploymet bennies for millions of unemployed, we should not have taken back the student loan programs, we should not have supprted the fed’s QE2 bond support program, etc.

      We should have foreseen the slow down in China’s economy resultng in a mini trade and money war, we should have foreseen the economic crisis in Europe, and we should have backed off and let the secnd largest economy in the world (the EU) collapse as well.

      Heck….we should have done exactly what everyone here screams they want…. a total collapse of the system and gone back to some ficticious romanticized era akin to the 30′s.

      BTW…you do realize that overall on the support of our ndustry, we’ll make money on the deal …. correct? But that doesn’t matter…. we screwed up because we didn’t let the whole system collapse into anarchy…

  • Polski

    So Obama sucks, Dubya sucked, Palin sucks…..wonderful choices……

    • Richard

      Polski: I wish John Bolton would run for president. I’m sick of having a weenie-in-chief who capitulates to foreign nations, some of which are our enemies. We need a COMMANDER-In-Chief who will be strong and not bow down to foreign heads of state and who will quit using our heroic Armed Forces as some kind of melting pot for social experimentation.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Richard, has the mass exit from the military started yet? Do you have any numbers to reflect that claim?

        Rob

        • Richard Pawley

          Anyone who has been in the service knows you can’t just quit when you want to. If you could I think I would have called it quits about the third or fourth week of basic training, as that was the toughest physical training I had ever done, but in eight weeks I had put on 20 pounds of muscle and was in the best physical shape I had ever been in. I have a hunch our poor economy with 25 MILLION plus looking for work will encourage some to stay who might otherwise choose to leave when “their tour of duty is up.”

      • JoMama

        And will not use the US military for a ride to the tropics for vacation, too.

        • HFlashman

          You mean a vacation to his home state is your objection? For all presidents or just this one?

    • marvin

      Polski
      a far as suck i prefer palin any day over obame or any of his cronies at lest she can see russia sometimes and she did not tell you i won so shut up and set down

      • HFlashman

        FYI … to this day Palin has not visited the part of Alaska where on can see Russian territory. Your other part where you misquote pres. Obama….the actual quote came during the Stimulus Summit where the GOP objected to givng tax credits to the poor. Pres. Obama pointed out that there woud be philosophical diffrences on that issue and “I won. So I think on that one, I trump you.”

        That’s what the Right objects to about using facts..they get in the way of the lies and rants…

      • wayne

        I am on your side, Marvin.

  • Richard

    The liberals are showing their true colors now like never before, since the tragedy in Tucson. It’s good for the world to see just how sick and twisted the liberal mind set is. It’s good for the world to see just how much they hate our Constitution and especially the Bill Of Rights. We conservatives are getting a very good look at what the “Enemy Within” (Michael Savage) looks like. And that’s a good thing. We, the American People, need to know who and what the liberals REALLY are.

    • http://MozzelaFirefox Jo

      The liberals only have one color, YELLOW! They’re running scared.

      • bob wire

        of what pray tell?

    • marvin

      Richard
      don,t forget old helle clinton she is telling the world we have lots of extremests she must be talking about us republican that belive the constitution saz just what it saz

    • wayne

      Richard, I don’t know how old you are, but look at the liberal, Jane Fonda. She sided with North Vietnam doing the war against her own country, and as a result a lot of our soldiers were killed. Take Senator John Kerry, he was another liberal doing the Vietnam War. He was involved with Jane Fonda. Even though these two extreme liberals were against their own country, people supported them by voting John Kerry in office and supported Jane Fonda by going to the movies she was involved in. I could never vote for a man like John Kerry, or go to a movie that Jane Fonda was in. I love my country too much to support people that are against our nation. I realize that the leaders in this country has made mistakes, but we all make mistakes. Some will admit to their mistakes, while others will not.

  • http://purple50.org Gregory Zorn

    I have sited threw a rifle scope and I am a builder, The Palin crosshair’s look more like a servay marking than a rifle scope. It seemed to me the most of the accusations came from MSNBC and their minions, others showed more restraint. MSNBC seems obsesed with Palin.
    The President did a good job last night.

    G. Zorn
    purple50.org

    • JUKEBOX

      How do these pseudo intellectual, left wing nut cases think our country got built without crosshairs in a transit?

      • bobwire

        I’m pretty sure it didn’t.

        America was carved out of the wilderness, with everything a man & women could bring to bear.

        Hopes & Dreams, rocks & mud, sweat & blood,~ and their children.

        Now, if you want to discuss hardware Trigger Finger, it’s purely sub topic and a incidental.

      • Hardtail

        Juke-
        The same govrnment interferors shake their heads wondering how this nation got built at all without unions, OSHA, ACLU, NOW, NAACP, the Rainbow oalition, gun control, or them running the show! Not to mention the strong open belief in God and family that was allowed to run rampant through the veins of the citizery, unchecked by the Supreme Court and legions of (at the time) special subversive interest whiners. How did our ancestors ever make it?

      • marvin

        JUKEBOX
        if memory serves me in 2004 and 05 the dembocrats used the same set of cross hairs on repub dist to plot their take over of congress but that was ok then

        • JUKEBOX

          Progressives and Dummycrats have total immunity from repercussions, given to them by their leaders.

    • wayne

      Gregory, yes, I admit that Obama did a superb job giving his speech. However, I like what Dr. Krauthammer said. Watch what a person does, not what they say. If you ever studied the Civil War (Gettysburg Address) speech that Lincoln gave in on Nov 19, 1863 you can relate to this. Lincoln gave his speech in just minutes. There was another speaker, Edward Everett who spoke for around 2 hours. Which speech had the best substance, and the most effect on the people? It was Lincoln’s short speech that went down in history as it had more effect, and merit than the Great Orator, Edward Everett. Obama may have given a good speech, but it also may be a lot of hot air. See this website for the rest: http://myloc.gov/exhibitions/gettysburgaddress/Pages/default.aspx

  • JoMama

    Hey – did anyone else notice that Obama wants to support AZ now instead of boycotting it??
    Or was he there because one of his fellow Democrats got hit??
    I think all the Democrats are going to blame this all on something that the Republicans did or did not do.

    Hey Obama – the guy who pulled the trigger on those innocent people in Tucson is responsible for this tragedy – not the Tea-partiers, not the Republicans, not Sarah Palin, not Rush Limbauh, not Glenn Beck, not Sean Hannity, not the poster from Sarah Palin – NO ONE ELSE!!
    YOU DOPE!!

    • Robert Smith

      From Jo: “not Rush Limbauh, not Glenn Beck, not Sean Hannity,…”

      Really?

      HOW can an industry like the Media be built on the notion that they can influence people to buy products on one hand and then claim they don’t have any influence on the other?

      Who is lying? Those who make billions of advertizing or those who are beating their gums with hate messages?

      Rob

      • JoMama

        I said that Jared Loughner was the ONE & ONLY person involved in killing & maming those people in AZ.
        Some people make it seem as though he killed because he saw a poster of “crosshairs on her (Sarah Palin’s) website that targeted congressional districts”. Or because of Beck, Limbauh & Hannity are “beating their gums with hate messages”.
        Screw you – get lost. Do not take my words out of context. They are plain & simple words.

      • marvin

        Robert Smith
        only in america is it allowed to blame someone else for your trouble ,it was the bank that made me buy that house i could not afford ,it is allways someone else that made me do it,never man up and say it was my fault,i say if you are that easy to sway to murder inocent people, i would have put alot of dumbass people to sleep,that i dislike but unlike you i know who to blame ,it was a sick minded socialpath that had no bussiness being on the street all the flags were waving the great dem sheriff that has been in law enforcement for 40 years the school the parents his few friends the local cops ,but i forgot it was the right wing nuts fault

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        You confuse hate messages with the truth. Just because you don’t want to hear it or it doesn’t fit your world view doesn’t mean it’s not true. Whoever said that liberalism is a mental disorder is absolutely correct. What else do you call someone who can’t face reality or accept facts?

    • eddie47d

      A very unfortunate response Jomama. Palin is a fire starter and quick with controversial comments. That is her right but let’s not put her on a pedestal. You need to re-think your thinking.

    • Karolyn

      I haven’t heard him pointing the finger! Have you been dreaming?

    • steve

      Da O come to Tucson, cuz it a true bastion of leff wing fill o soffy,and mo impotently, cuz it da lass place in da worl where he can gets him a standing ovation.

      • Karolyn

        Oh, we have another cute 5 year old here!

        • eddie47d

          His response was as insane as putting peanut butter on Brussel Sprouts.

        • kate8

          Karolyn – BTW, Did you hear what the shooter’s friends said he was most influenced by? Christian broadcasting? NO!

          ZEITGEIST.

          Gee, he probably found out about it from a blogger, too. Maybe you! Maybe YOU are responsible!

          • Karolyn

            No, I hadn’t heard that one yet. Maybe you should watch it Kate. It might open your mind a little. I think you would like at least part of it because there is a part about government conspiracies. the movie is all-encompassing, neither right nor left, leaving no rocks unturned.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – I watched Zeigeist a long time ago. I told you that already.

            Maybe you should not be so easily influenced by every anti-God book and film that comes along. These people have an agenda, too.

            I look at most everything, but I have a mind, too.

          • Karolyn

            As do I.

          • Karolyn

            Kate I read no anti-God books, and neither was Zeitgeist.

    • wayne

      JoMama, Obama is not a dummy. He is being forced toward the center as the presidential electtion is only two years away. His socialist mind has not changed any. Should he get voted back in again he will return to his direction to destroy America. He has fooled a lot of people. I will list another one of President Lincoln’s saying: This quote is directly from Lincoln himself: You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. This quote reminds me of some of the liberal minds on this forum.

  • Norm

    I don’t think Palin’s ranting gets normal people too excited one way or another. I’m not sure about nut cases – nobody knows what goes on in their twisted minds.
    Palin’s response, like her initial rhetoric, is just more simpleminded BS. The woman is just in way over her head.

    • marvin

      Norm
      like you?? at lest palin has something in her head to think with

      • smilee

        and just what is it she has in her head, you sure it isn’t all rocks!!

    • kate8

      You’re right, Norm. Your choice of a foreign agent illegal alien who’s tied in deep with the Chicago mob is much better.

      • wayne

        Kate8, I am going to quit responding to these liberals on this forum. You might as well try to talk to a tree. I am just glad to see that we have them out numbered. Thank God!!!!

    • bob wire

      “the woman is just in way over her head.”

      You got that right Norm. ~ and I agree with you, I doubt if a lot of American’s got all worked up over her speech. ~ We have learned to expect low things, and a load of pronouns ( me, myself and I) that come from Palin. ~

      It was saddening in a way though, Palin was given a rare chance that few are ever offered or afforded to speech to the whole nation with all it’s media and network coverage (“FREE” at no cost to her) at a delicate moment of great National sorrow, pain and confusion.

      There is much she could have said, but she didn’t.

      I do believe this poorly crafted news release will prove to be her Swam Song on the National stage.

      But, it was only a matter of time before she got herself in water over her head anyway. So there is no great loss.

      and I’m like you Norm, I heard no antisemitism. I feel as I understood her inference to blood-libel. She was basically rebuking any notions of liability to the shooting events and standing before us without guilt.

  • Pat Ridge

    I am Democrat(Kennedy Boy),I do not like Palin and what she stands for but I would not blame her for what happened in Arizona,the real problem and has been for many years is the easy access to guns.The sad thing after all the fuss dieds down about this latest massacre in Arizona,it will happen again and again.There is on average 11,000 Americans killed every year by gun fire,the figures for Europe are around 560 that includes Russia,Ukraine etc so thats twice the land mass and the population of the USA well the figures speak for itself.America’s love affair with guns has been one sad and deadly affair.

    • JoMama

      PatRidge – owning guns – like it or not – is one of our rights as an a
      American citizen.
      YOU don’t have to own a gun if you don’t want to. Period.

      • eddie47d

        No Right gives anybody the right to abuse those Rights.

        • kate8

          eddie, Most people are NOT abusing those rights. Only criminals abuse those rights, and they will always keep their guns.

    • ValDM

      They may not be dying from gunshot wounds, but they are dying, none the less. Do you have statistics for knives, bludgeoning, poison, etc?
      If someone wants to murder, they will. And the murder will take place with the item that comes the quickest to hand. People don’t just grab a gun, if they want to commit murder. Grabbing a gun takes some thought and planning. My point being, that murders DO occur in Europe, just not that many by guns. Lastly, this obviously mentally ill young man worked on Gabby’s campaign in 2007 as a volunteer. He had been stalking her. He had been sending her hate mail. He had been planning to do this. I would have happened with anything that he put his hand on if he had any skill with other weapons.

    • thinking

      Pat not sure where your numbers came from but the car is more deadly than a gun, over 50,000 killed a year. In England they kill, maybe not with guns but knifes, bats whatever they get their hands on. Russia and all the Europe places also, man kills man! with or without guns. It is true more people are killed in America by guns but look at Florida when the right to carry became law fewer were killed, same in Texas and now when D.C. gun law was over turned the death rate by gun went down. These numbers are easy to find but rarely televised. Less than 50% of children live with two parents, there is little respect for others and we are greedy. We want what our neighbors has but many don’t want to work for it, like the lotto or all the gambling places in every state big win. Looking back 50 years there were guns but fewer killings. Is it movies? TV, radio, laziness? Take away the guns and these nut cases will build bombs or other weapons they see in movies or on TV. We as Americans have lost our moral compass.

      • Richard Pawley

        Can’t disagree with what you have said. Sounds like you are quoting my politcally incorrect book, THE LAST DAYS OF THE LATE GREAT UNITED STATES and the Great Famine that Followed, as I wrote about this and gave actual (put politically incorrect) statistics in various countries and in our own capitol. However, the murder rate by gun took a significant jump of a couple of hundred percent when the government of England dis-armed their honest citizens. Of course the criminals didn’t give up up their guns and the population became easy prey. The same happened in Australia.

      • wayne

        Thinking, wonder how the liberals would act if they were told their vehicles were being confiscated due to the fact that automobles kill more people than guns. Can you believe how their crap would hit the fan. Maybe we conservatives can give up our guns after the libs give up their vehicles. This does sound like a good trade off, doesn’t it?

    • marvin

      Pat Ridge
      only thing i can tell you is move to someother countrys, i know mexico,,the people of mexico have no guns go their with a murder rate of 100 to 1000 a day [only cops and criminals have guns]i like my country and my guns will give up nether without a fight

      • HFlashman

        Marvin:

        I’m not indicating what my view of the 2nd is in stating this…

        but Mexico’s high murder rate by guns is due in large part because of the guns smuggled into Mexico from tis country.

        They have as large a problem with smuggling across borders as we do. With us it’s undocumented workers looking for jobs from criminal employers screwing this nation and with drugs (though the drug smuggling issue is not to the large we are being told) … with Mexico, it’s guns guns and guns.

        • steve

          uhhh… why mistah flashman do da guns be smuggled into mexico? do it be cuz dey some demand for ‘em? or,do it jus be a anomaly?

          • eddie47d

            No,easy gun laws in Arizona help fuel the arms trade in that region.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Proven fact, less than 17% of the guns in Mexico come from the US!! We don’t manufacture true AK47s!!

        • wayne

          And they (the Mexicans) are flooding this country with their illegal drugs. Of courses, this says we have two many pot heads in this country. If we could lessen our dependence on drugs, maybe their murder rate would drop. So you pot heads out ther who wnat to dimish the murder rate in Mexico, stop your use of illegal drugs. How can you lay your heads down at night, and go to sleep knowing your use of illegal drugs is contributing to these murders?

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      To: Pat Ridge what you posted is correct about the 11.000 deaths in this country compared to other nation,but why didnt you post this hard cold truth,in those nations there officals enforce the laws dealing with criminals,and they dont house them,they exicute them,while here cry baby left wing people protect their rights ten times better than yours and mine,this shooting could have been stopped before it happened,all the signs were their,all that fat wind bagged sheriff,or his staff could have run a backround check on that worthless monster,to see the problems he had,but oh no point the finger on guns,that poor bunch of humanbeings died because those who were elected to protect the american people dropped the ball long ago,its called dereliction of duty,protecting the crazies rights more than yours or mine,and with the sole hard fact,do you think anyone in their right mind will have their rights to bear arms abriged,so a total police state can be put in place,just look at what these people didnt do,and dont get me wrong,taking a life is wrong,just on the same level of letting crazies,muderous criminals loose on the general public,because some sissy judge rules it as to severe to fry these law breaking peices of human garbage,and 90 percent of the time it is a left wing liberal judge doing it,but in truth it all or faults for not disbaring these types from being judges period,and honestly who can anyone trust,these leftwingers in power,if so do you remember waco and all those poor babies that died,wheres the rage over that murderous rampage caused by those in charge,and oklahoma bombing by a crazie,enforce the laws as they were written and guess what the nut jobs running around would think twice about killing innocent folks let alone so little child,the gun didnt do it that monster did,with the blessings of those who dont want to enforce the laws.myself i worry everyday,whats going to happen next? this sure isnt the america that our founding fathers established,and if this is the NEW WORLD ORDER,who needs it? to live in fear of criminals,murders,rapists,crazies,you name it,and what can we do? move to a safer country like russia or europe,i dont think so,just better to start hanging law breakers instead,but no the mommy mommy bunch crying about,oh we cant punish these evil types,now want to disarm everyone and throw out the right to free speech,i think everyone just best sit down and think about this finger pointing party going on,and start living by the laws as written.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        vacksal,
        A guy that used to live down the street from my sister in Dearborn Heights shot an intruder in the leg as he was coming at him. The crook later sued for a stiff leg and won. The guy lost his house over it! Why wasn’t the law disallowing a person to profit from a crime in force then??

        • wayne

          Joe, only a liberal jury would do something like this. Most likely to many liberal pot heads on the jury. We need people with clear minds to make rational decisions that serve on these juries.

  • Tim L.

    Of course, we all know that if a republican had been gunned down, conservatives the world over would put politics aside and would be trying to figure out why the individual did it. Being the magnanimous crowd they are, conservatives would never dream of pointing fingers and assigning blame to the other side. Give me a freekin’ break!!!

    • ValDM

      You o0bviously missed most of the news programs. A federal judge (R) was killed at the Tucson tragedy. If you’re going to post here, do so with some kind of information we might think relevant.

      • bob wire

        ~ and your point is? The shooter wasn’t picky and harbored not bias? Young , old, no matter all rich targets!

        well perhaps your thoughts might hold water if it there was no scheduled reason for this assemble of mixed citizens.

        As is, Go Fish!

    • marvin

      Tim L.
      ok where would you like the break neck back or just your legs we repubulican are here to serve give me a break an,t that what cigar bill clinton said

      • Tim L.

        Marvin,
        What? Sorry pal, you’re making no sense.

  • Tazio2013

    Just more scripted play acting from the white wing wackos and the left leaning loonies while the powers that be; i.e., less than one ten thousandth of one percent of the US population, continue to tighten the noose around the necks of the hoi poloi. We live in one of the most violent christian countries on earth so, why are we surprised that a crazy white guy can get a gun and shoot a bunch of innocent individuals. Does anyone out there in MSM land think that we won’t be experiencing more of these events? And, please, no comments from the god squad and the jesus freaks. Suggest that those of you who can actually think for yourself, pay attention to the things that matter, for example:

    http://www.thedailybell.com/1679/The-China-Dilemma.html

    POTUS 44 did a great job yesterday while the palin beck/ fox noise crowd confirmed any suspicions that they are complete and utter fools as are their zombie followers.

    • taxpayer

      Tazio2013
      “Just more scripted play acting from the white wing wackos and the left leaning loonies”
      white wing?
      There were more Christians 50 years ago now not so, many may claim to be but many claim to be altheas, Muslim, Buda, agnostic, and the list goes on. Sad to say but the Christian population in the U.S.A. has been decreasing. you are a day late and a dollar short in your convictions. You maybe one of the above but not a Christian. Many do not get that Christ was about love, many used that as a reason to hate. Why? Jesus said to not cast stone unless you are without sin, he did not say to kill! God loves you.

      • Richard Pawley

        Sadly true and so many simply don’t understand. Was it Augustine or Thomas Aquinas who said that “Politics is God’s punishment to mankind for sin!” The recent accusations about who was responsible for the assassinations in Tucson seems to confirm that we have little changed in a thousand years, and since there is far more sin in the 21st Century (we would cause ancient pagans to blush) we can expect far more politicking today.
        Last night the president said, “At a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who happen to think differently than we do, it’s important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not in a way that wounds.” Citing Job from the Old Testament he reminded us “terrible things happen for reasons that defy human understanding . . . and we have to guard against simple explanations in the aftermath. For the truth is that none of us can know exactly what triggered this vicious attack. None of us can know with any certainty what might have stopped these shots from being fired, or what thoughts lurked in the inner recesses of a violent man’s mind.”
        He continued with “As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let’s use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy, and remind ourselves of all the ways that our hopes and dreams are bound together.” Additionally he added, “I want our democracy to be as good as Christina imagined it (the youngest of the six who were murdered, newly elected school council member, 9 year old Christina Taylor Green who was there to see Democracy in action and to meet her Congresswoman). I want America to be as good as she imagined it. All of us — we should do everything we can to make sure this country lives up to our children’s expectations.”
        Most importantly, his speech writers provided him with something that I hope he truly believes (because it is true) and that is that what counts in the long run is “how well we have loved, and what small part we have played in making the lives of other people better.” To that I can only say “Amen” because ultimately that is all that we take with us into Eternity. It was the best speech that the president has ever given. He is, after all, the father of two young daughters.

        • Karolyn

          Richard – You said “and since there is far more sin in the 21st Century (we would cause ancient pagans to blush) we can expect far more politicking today.” I think you are mistaken. There is nothing new under the sun, just more people.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – OMG! You quote the Bible!

          • HFlashman

            Actually… pagans would take one look and ask why we’re so hung up on sex in this country.

            You can watch TV and have hundreds get wiped out in a gunfight…that’s OK. But a breast nipple showing through thin fabric? whoa … that’s so terrible and we shoud never allow our children to see that !

          • kate8

            flash – The sexualization (by the Left) of our children today has been very damaging to them. They are simply not mature enough to understand what it is about. But you guys are so obsessed with it yourselves that you just can’t wait to awaken it in our kids, when they should be focusing on childhood things.

          • HFlashman

            Kate..I knew you’d be screaming about breasts showing on TV. But n comment on allowing them to see hundreds gunned down in an Arnie movie as he racks up the body count ?

            Here’s a little task for you to think about. Thjink of the most violent places on this rock we call Earth. I’d say the ME/Arab countries and the US. See any similarities?

            1. Both have large numbers of religious zealots, zealots who insist that their religion is the correct one and all others must conform. 2. Both areas allow violence on TV where body counts are considered exciting and permissable for kids to watch.
            3. And both areas have HUGE hang ups about sex and educating children about it.

            think about that ….

          • kate8

            Children should not watch killing either. I’ll bet the shooter watched a lot of violence.

            You are one sick boy.

          • Karolyn

            Flash – You are so right. There is also less rape in countries where sex is not so taboo.

          • kate8

            Got anything to back that up, Karolyn?

          • Richard Pawley

            Well, there is some truth in what you say about numbers, Karolyn, but there has never been a society that killed what would have been one sixth of their population (50,000,000 babies – 306,000,000 people) and then let illegal aliens come across the border to make up the deficiency in numbers, and while several ancient cultures had polygamy and homosexuality among the ruling elite, none ever codified homosexuality into anything like ‘gay marriages’. Of course the punishment that is coming upon the United States and the world may be for other things too, greed, avarice, hate, murder. Famine was a traditional Biblical punishment and it will be interesting to see if it is as bad as I wrote about in THE LAST DAYS…etc. and if we continue to deteriorate morally up until it hits us. There were three mayors in Mexico killed in the first two weeks of this year. Last year only 17 mayors were killed in the whole year. And 31 were killed and many decapitated in Acapulco in less than a week. You wouldn’t find me going into the war zone of Mexico if I won an all expense paid trip. I just heard of a big Mexican Drug bust in Myrtle Beach, SC, and while chapter 12 of my autobiography, LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA is entitled, “Myrtle Beach and Drug Smuggling” it was Americans selling drugs years ago, now it’s bands of illegal aliens who like to cut off heads. That was never something that happened in the western world except on extremely rare occasions in the last hundred years. We are becoming an uncivilized nation and there are many who think we are headed for third world status and a new dark age is going to descend upon us. The Pope in Rome said as much month ago and while you may oppose his religion he is hardly a religious fanatic prone to say irrational things. He too can see the signs. All I can say is get ready. You will see less of me on here because it mainly the same people with the same complaints. Get ready. Learn about canning and non-perishable food, think like a pioneer, trust in God to lead you (make sure it’s God and not something else). You have heard it all before. Life as we know it is going to change more in the next 15 years than in the last 15 years, Remember 15 years ago when our biggest concern was Bill Clinton’s love life and stuff like that. From here on out it is going to get more and more interesting. Did you know that illegal aliens have committed in excess of one million sex crimes in this nation? That was true when I published my last book so it’s undoubtedly out of date by now. “May you live in interesting times” was an ancient Chinese curse, and I predict that the next two decades are going to be among the most interesting in the past several hundred years. Hope you are around to see. Just remember that you can always pray for guidance and direction and one of the things that can help you ascertain if the spirit you are in touch with is God or something else is this, a spirit from God will never tell you anything that conflicts with the Bible. That is a fail-safe but of course I’m talking about a common sense straight forward approach. Not some convoluted interpretation such as those who were going to protest the funerals in Tucson. They are misguided tools of the dark side. There are many things in the Bible that even those who read it frequently don’t see. Only God can help you understand some things but you won’t be the only one. To much to tell. Many who don’t know what I just said have been deceived and we have 3,000 cults in this country as a result. There will be those who would rather die than acknowledge God’s love for them and they may. However, it is not God’s way to force people or to use fear to convert them. In that Flashman’s complaints about zealots is somewhat accurate. There is only one God and he is the Creator of all that is. You can’t go wrong reading the gospels and ACTS for inspiration or the two books I have recommended elsewhere (other than my own). May we all someday discover how very much God loves us. God bless you and may you continue to grow.

      • Tazio2013

        And, please, no comments from the god squad and the jesus freaks.

      • Tazio2013

        Suggest that you go back to school and learn how to write, spell and punctuate.

        • libertytrain

          You don’t always follow the rules, particularly on capitalization of proper nouns. Some of the rules are okay with you yet somehow you’re free to make up a few of your own but others may not?

          • Tazio2013

            Yes.

          • libertytrain

            You are definitely a true leftist liberal.

          • kate8

            libertytrain – At least he’s honest about it. That must be worth something, but I’m not sure what.

          • libertytrain

            Kate8 I’m sure we haven’t heard the last of him. He’s just like the others, can’t stay away, but I believe he’s the first that admitted that the rules don’t always apply to him. Perhaps he’s a white house staffer – :) he wouldn’t be the first one to make an appearance.

    • libertytrain

      “POTUS 44 did a great job yesterday while the palin beck/ fox noise crowd confirmed any suspicions that they are complete and utter fools as are their zombie followers.”
      I can’t speak for the other networks – I was watching Fox during and after the speech and all commentators said he did a very eloquent speech and well done, etc – but you wouldn’t know that, you don’t ever watch Fox.

      • Tazio2013

        I do watch fox noise primarily to confirm the fact that palin beck is a complete and utter fool.

        • libertytrain

          I don’t watch much on TV but I must say I do read and have not ever heard of that person.

          • Tazio2013

            Google “portmanteau” and maybe then you will understand my meaning.

          • libertytrain

            Sweetie, Google “tongue in cheek” and you may understand mine.

    • marvin

      Tazio2013
      I AM SO THANKFUL YOU GOT ME STRAIGHT,hell i forgot for a min their that this was the united states of america land of the free and home ot the brave where you can be all you aspire to be with limited interference from you or goverment to chose right from wrong and stand accountable for myself not what you may have done i thank you for reasuring me that i don,t have to the right thing and can just say bush done it

      • Tazio2013

        I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

        • Karolyn

          I love that! I’ll have to remember it.

          • kate8

            Better than a battle of arms with an unwitted man.

      • kate8

        Good comment, marvin.

        And Tazio is a jerk.

        • libertytrain

          kate8 – remember he’s a “staffer.” :) :D

          • http://?? Joe H.

            libertytrain,
            So we should care about that???? Just another mindless fool trying to sound macho…….And failing!!

          • libertytrain

            :D

    • JUKEBOX

      I hope you carry that line of thought with you when Communist China calls in their loans on the U.S. and foreclose on us.

      • Tazio2013

        Pleased indeed that you read The Daily Bell story. Apparently this level of objectivity re things that matter is beyond the scope of the typical PLD reader.

      • HFlashman

        Actually Juke…China can’t call that debt due. not without going under with us. Read Econ 101 and perhaps later we can discuss it.

  • bobwire

    Two points;

    Never allow a tragedy go to waste; Remember the Alamo! Remember the Maine!

    Remember the Boston Massacre! Remember the grass war? ( probably don’t, it’s more texas /mexico history)

    These events became rally cries for both change and reprisal. Someone to offer up an accounting if it require being extracted.

    The events that have lead up to and the killing in Tucson will be no different. On some level, there will be an accounting.

    As for Ms. Palin, once again she was given,~ handed national media coverage “FREE” for her to show us what she could aspire to. It was for her to have, to capture the moment. Words to offer comfort, to provoke the best in all men & women to come forward. This is the core nature of leadership and where leadership rises to the occasion or fails.

    I’ll leave it to each one of you to judge her metered message.

    If you think that she did well and is leadership material ~ run her!

  • JUKEBOX

    Chris Matthews was showing a video of a rally, where many of the attendees were openly carrying weapons, and was about to blow a gasket while excoriating these people for doing this. I e-mailed him with a challenge: To tell me and the world at which event there more dead and wounded? The answer was obvious, but you will never hear it from his lips.
    I also challenged him to have the liberal Professor Alan Dershowitz on his program to discuss “BLOOD LIBEL”. The Professor, to his credit, has said that this term is no longer an anti semitic phrase. This esteemed man is Jewish, and even though a liberal, has more principles than the MSNBC crew.
    I think Obama did deliver one of his best speeches last night, even though he probably did not write most of it. I hope he will read over that speech many times in the months ahead and heed his own advice.

    • s c

      Jukebox, Chrissy Mathews is paid mucho big bucks to keep his panties in a knot every day (did he ever get that tingling leg problem fixed?). He’s like a Pavlovian dog. Obummer, if you remember, took his teleprompter with him when he went to Arizona (portable “talent”). It’s entirely possible that he’s never had an original thought in his life.
      Like all true Darwinians, you can’t ‘keep him down.’ No matter what we say or do, Obummer will always climb back into the nearest tree to organize the masses. Give him an A for effort, but remember to give him an F when it comes to talent and having what it takes to lead a nation (with the possible exception of North Korea).

      • bob wire

        it seems that way ~ Chris Mathews can be insufferable in his zeal. He wasn’t all that bad at one time. The whole bunch at MSNBC is caught up in the rock fight. You can be right and still be insufferable.

        I wish they’d quit it.

        • marvin

          bob wire
          you say wish they at msmbc would stop it ,TURN THEM OFF,plain and simple no watch no pay,see how easy that is,no one watch they go away,if you like him or them watch them it is your choice

          • JUKEBOX

            You have to remember to keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I can’t handle much of those tingling leg whackos, I just try to be aware of what vitriol they are spouting.

          • bob wire

            oh Marvin, ~ I quit watching TV all together for 4 month awhileback, it all got so bad ~ and I was paying good money to watch the crap and the commercials! ~ The quit was nice.

            It funny, after a few months went by the cable company came around offered me a deal that was hard to refuse. ~~ so hear I am again!

            But I watch them all ~ The women are much prettier of FOX. Hannity makes me want to snatch him bald headed sometimes. Beck is hard to stay connected to.

            What I need to do is break out my viola and learn how to play the “Blues” ~ I think I will, something I attempt to do every winter.

            Here’s the thing, ~ something big and exciting happens on a nation level and my desire to know what up sucks me back in.

      • JUKEBOX

        That “MEMORIAL SERVICE” turned into a disgraceful campaign rally for the 2012 Presidential election.

        • Karolyn

          And if he hadn’t spoken, he would have been nailed as an unfeeling person who doesn’t even care about anybody. Actually, I guess it wouldn’t matter, because that’s what most of you think anyway, right?

          • libertytrain

            Honestly, I thought it was a good speech. Eloquent. I didn’t vote for him but did watch the Inaugural and had hope particularly when he talked about all the transparency he would have, nothing hidden, no hidden agendas, and “reachability,” and accountability by his staff, and on and on. I’m sorry to say that speech was just a speech. Hopefully this one last night wasn’t.

          • kate8

            liberty – personally, I don’t think there was one whit of sincerety there. The man is cold as ice.

            Plus, he benefitted from the incident. I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t know about ahead of time. Maybe even ordered it. He can do that now, you know, since he gave himself that power.

            What did he know and when did he know it.

            Obama’s fault! Obama’s fault!

            At least they can’t blame this one on Bush. Can they?

          • libertytrain

            Kate – I’m sure that in weeks to come because Texas is just a state away from Arizona — it will be determined that it was in fact W’s fault or Cheney. One of the two. Has anyone noted where these two were when this occurred… hmmm. :)

          • kate8

            liberty – You may have a point.

            LOL.

          • http://deleted Claire

            libertytrain–I agree with you. Although I did not hear all of it, what I did hear was good.

    • steve

      Right on, Jukebox. I reckon if half the peeps at that rally had been conservatives, there would have been considerably fewer casualties. Lib-tards always talk the talk, but never walk the walk – as the hero doctor who played opossum til the shooting was over proved.

      If only one tenth of the tards there had been conservatives, someone would have been shooting back – thereby at least spoiling Loafner’s aim a mite.

  • Delores Smith

    PERSONAL LIBERTY NEWS DESK – GREAT ARTICLE…
    OBAMA,
    Who do you think you are kidding? I have a video of you mocking people who read the Bible. So much cruelty has come out of your mouth, and you give a talk in Tucson…as if Americans need to change. During the past two years, you and your policies have degraded the people of America. We are not stupid. Obama, I do not like you, and nothing will change that. You are a fake! Delores Smith Delores109@cox.net

    • Shibamom

      I’m with you Delores!! I don’t like him either and am really tired of being “chewed out” for stuff I didn’t do. It’s the politicians and their BS that creates most of the hate. The unbalanced citizen’s are the ones that find some kind of inspiration in their BS words and act on it. The shooter is to blame and no one else!

    • Karolyn

      Delores, Can you post a link to this video? Is this another hatchet job?

      • HFlashman

        Karolyn…of course it’s another hatchet job. Jumpin’ jehosphat….if these folks could prove a small iota of what they calim, I’d be surprised. C’mon….over this past week they’ve cited the EU Times, a Right Wing blogger, and a ‘friend’ of a loner lunatic shooter as reliable sources for their claims.

      • kate8

        Obama has mocked Christians and the Bible a number of times. And when he’s tried to quote it, he’s gotten it wrong.

        Heck, it was in San Francisco where he mocked Christians who “clung to their religion and their guns”. The implication here being that he’d like to wrench them both away.

        • HFlashman

          No..the implication was they’re religous zealots who don’t listen to reason, common sense, or think. An implication that’s proven correct every single day.

    • Tazio2013

      Anybody that mocks the bible can’t be all that bad and yes, delores, you and the hoi poloi are stupid.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Tazio,
        If you start sweating of a sudden, don’t let it bother you. It’s just God letting you know what you’re in for!!!

  • Kim

    Pat Ridge, it was not the gun that killed the judge, it was a man with a very twisted mind. Duh.

    • Pat Ridge

      I have heard this statement for years now Kim,it did not make any sense then and still does not.There was 2 gun massacres in the UK and 1 in Austalia a few years ago unlike US Government both of these Governments took serious action how many gun massacres since??? 0 is the answer.Nothing will happen in the USA not while NRA have politicans of all parties in their pocket and America’s love affair with guns continues.We lost JFK,RFK,MLK almost R Reagan and God knows how many great Americans because of this love affair–God help America.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Pat,
        And exactly how many of those murders you speak of were performed with LEGALLY OBTAINED guns??? I have owned a gun since I was 12 years old and have never murdered anyone, unless you count combat as murder!

  • 45caliber

    They should have waited until they actually saw the political leanings of the shooter before insisting he was right wing. Now they can’t back down or shove it under the rug.

    • bobwire

      So we are to assume just any congress person would do? or that “We the Living” is a light read and void of any political implications.

      Ayn Rand’s, “we the living” was some of her most profound work, extremely powerful. I was left depress for weeks after reading this a novel and still 37 years later, I remember it well.

    • JUKEBOX

      His classmates say that he never listened to any talk radio or watched any television. So, I wonder if he ever read “DREAMS FROM MY FATHER”, because then, we could blame Obama.

      • bob wire

        Hmm, I don’t know any “media free” 21 year olds, of course how much could a classmate really know? I suppose he could live in a vacuum. I heard he was flaming out with the chicks. Go figure!

        They say Sex can be a misdemeanor you know?

        The more you miss the meaner you get.

  • Karolyn

    How many times does Personal Liberty have to beat this dead horse. This is, what, the third article about it? Give it a rest already!

    • Delores Smith

      KAROLYN,
      They are not beating a dead horse. All of this must be said over and over again until someone listens.
      Delores Smith
      Delores109@cox.net

      • Karolyn

        Delores – All they are doing is perpetuating anger and differences. If more people would just shut the f up and let things go, we wouldn’t have so much dissension, anger and hate.

        • kate8

          Karolyn – Yes, of course. If we’d just stop arguing with the Left’s assertions and agree that it’s all the fault of the Right, in spite of the fact that the Left is FAR more guilty of what they accuse…if we’d just forfeit our right to free speech and hand over all of our God-given rights and just SHUT UP ALREADY, this would all go away.

          AAAARRRrrrrrrgggggghhhhhh.

          • Carole Howell

            Kate 8, Give some examples of something the left has said that tops this.

            I am not saying kill all the liberals, leave one or two in the colleges ……..Rush Limbaugh

            Top that or at least match it with something said by someone on the left.

          • kate8

            Carole, I don’t have a compiled list because I don’t care what people say. We have free speech.

            Limbaugh was making a joke. He also knew that the liberals would run with it, and he was, of course, right.

            I refer you to several posts on yesterdays thread where JeffH posted two lengthy lists of horrible things said by the Left, and NOT in jest. I recommend you check them out, because he did a far better job than I could.

            But I doubt you will. You are not interested in the truth.

          • kate8

            Carole – I figured you weren’t serious, so I went ahead and copied this for you: (This is only one of two posts)

            JeffH says:
            January 12, 2011 at 5:27 pm
            Columnist John Hawkins-Violent Liberal Hate Rhetoric: Fifteen Quotes

            Conservatives have long since been willing to stand up and say that they oppose political violence and threats coming from our side – as well we should. So, when will Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama finally stand up and condemn the ocean of violence and hatred being spewed by their friends, supporters.

            “A spoiled child (Bush) is telling us our Social Security isn’t safe anymore, so he is going to fix it for us. Well, here’s your answer, you ungrateful whelp: [audio sound of 4 gunshots being fired.] Just try it, you little b*stard. [audio of gun being cocked].” — A “humor bit” from the Randi Rhodes Show

            “I want to go up to the closest white person and say: ‘You can’t understand this, it’s a black thing’ and then slap him, just for my mental health” — New York city councilman Charles Barron

            “..And then there’s Rumsfeld who said of Iraq ‘We have our good days and our bad days.’ We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say ‘This is one of our bad days’ and pull the trigger.” — From a fundraising ad put out by the St. Petersburg Democratic Club

            “I believe in ecoterrorism.” — James Cameron

            “…In an ideal world, American consumers could be convinced to do the right thing through an appeal to logic with public service messages like the ‘What Would Jesus Drive?’ TV campaign, but the kind of people who would buy a car that increases the risk to other motorists in an accident can’t be reasoned with. They’re selfish and stupid. It’s unfortunate that drivers must worry that their SUVs are being targeted by insulting stickers and Molotov cocktails, but one thing’s for sure: It couldn’t be happening to a more deserving group of people.” — Ted Rall winks at ecoterrorism

            “F*** God D*mned Joe the God D*mned Motherf*cking plumber! I want Motherf*cking Joe the plumber dead.” — Liberal talk show host Charles Karel Bouley on the air.

            “Republicans don’t believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don’t give a hoot about human beings, either can’t or won’t. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm.” — The Village Voice’s Michael Feingold, in a theater review of all places

            (Rush Limbaugh)” just wants the country to fail. To me that’s treason. He’s not saying anything different than what Osama Bin Laden is saying. You might want to look into this, sir, because I think Rush Limbaugh was the 20th hijacker but he was just so strung out on Oxycontin he missed his flight. … Rush Limbaugh, I hope the country fails, I hope his kidneys fail, how about that?” — Wanda Sykes

            “You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody’s going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he’s going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we’ll be there to watch. I think he’s Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?” — Chris Matthews

            “I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow….I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact.” — Bill Maher

            “If I got (Condi Rice) a— on camera, I would put my Mars Air Jordans so far up her butt that the Mayo Clinic would have to remove them.” — Spike Lee

            “O&A – ‘Condoleezza Rice’”
            Charlie – “I’d love to f— that b*tch dude” (laughter)

            Charlie – “She’s the F—in man”

            O&A – “yeah”

            Charlie – “I’d F…that b*tch….”

            O&A – “I just imagine the horror in Condoleezza Rice’s face….”

            - “(laughter) ….. as she realizes what’s going on”

            - “…as you were just holding her down and F’n her.”

            Charlie – “punch her all the F’n face, shut the F— up b*tch”

            O&A – “that’s exactly what I meant” (laughter in background)

            Charlie – “you know F— it …. and George Bush wife? I’d F— that b*tch to death” — “Shock Jocks” Opie & Anthony talk rape & violence with their guest “Homeless Charlie.”

            “For those of you who do, as a matter of principle, oppose war in any form, the idea of supporting a conscientious objector who’s already been inducted [and] in his combat service in Iraq might have a certain appeal. But let me ask you this: Would you render the same support to someone who hadn’t conscientiously objected, but rather instead rolled a grenade under their line officer in order to neutralize the combat capacity of their unit?” — University Professor Ward Churhill on supporting soldiers who frag their officers

            “Drudge? Aw, Drudge, somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around his neck and hoist him up about six feet in the air and watch him bounce.” — Liberal radio host, Mike Malloy

            “I know how the ‘tea party’ people feel, the anger, venom and bile that many of them showed during the recent House vote on health-care reform. I know because I want to spit on them, take one of their ‘Obama Plan White Slavery’ signs and knock every racist and homophobic tooth out of their Cro-Magnon heads.” — The Washington Post’s Courtland Milloy

          • Karolyn

            Yeah, Kate, just keep beating it and beating it and beating it. Does it make you feel better?

          • bob wire

            Kate is on a roll, watch out! I feel sorry for you Kate, ~

            what terrible force must drive you.

          • kate8

            Wait, Karolyn. Carole asked me to at least match her quote from Limbaugh, so I complied.

            True to form, the liberal gets a pass and I get blame.

            LMAO.

            Guess what? The tables are turning. Don’t like it much, do ya?

          • kate8

            And you are right. After this latest stunt you guys pulled, all bets are off. You’re going to get everything you dish out thrown right back at you.

            Ya gone and went too far this time. Yer not gonna get away with it no mo.

          • Karolyn

            Honestly, Kate, it seems like you’ve really gone off the deep end. I’ve seen you get meaner and meaner every day.

          • kate8

            Fed up, Karolyn. Had enough of the idiocy coming from the Left. Had enough of the taking of freedom, the forcing of unwanted laws and programs shoved down our throats, and had enough of the Left using (or perpetrating) incidents like AZ to pass more oppressive laws.

            If defending my family, my country and my honor is mean, then so be it.

          • kate8

            Carole Howell = I answered your challenge. Where are you?

            chirp…chirp…chirp.

            And Karolyn – God knows the Left never says anything MEAN.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kate8,
            go get em’ girl!!!! Ole’ carole is runnin scared!!!!

  • J.M.R.

    WHY DID IT TAKE THE DICK-TATER 4 HRS TO MAKE A STATEMENT?

    • kate8

      J.M.R. – Hey. He usually hides out for several days. But he had his script ready this time.

  • Delores Smith

    OBAMA,
    You are now,in my opinion, attempting to place the blame on the American people. Obama, you and the Democrats, are fully responsible for any hate directed to you. You are also eager to blame Republicans. Every important amendment submitted by Republicans was either voted down, shelved, point of order called, or scratched at conference. You took Arizona to court when we asked for national security protection, and now you are using a tragedy in Tucson for your benefit. You placed a Latino man at your side, while the two men and one woman who took the shooter down were in the middle of a crowd and barely recognized. Your trip to AZ was about illegal immigration. Did you know that when you spoke from the White House that you didn’t even mention Federal Court Judge Roll who was killed? He is the Judge that handled the case on illegal immigation. I consider this civil discourse, because I believe it to be the TRUTH.
    Delores Smith Delores109@cox.net

    • JUKEBOX

      Maybe some historian will put the blame for Tucson on Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr, for that vitriol in the newspaper of the time ended in a duel in which founding father Hamilton was killed by Vice President Burr.

      • HFlashman

        Actually….the cause of the duel was something Hamilton stated in a private conversation about Burr’s daughter. What it was exactly that was stated by Hamilton was never disclosed. It’s a popular theory that the rumor was planted by Jefferson for Hamilton to repeat and Jefferson’s plotting was to rid himself of two political enemies in one shot (so to speak). Whomever was victorious in the duel would be discredited and no longer a political threat to Jefferson….and the loser would be a threat to no one.

        Hope that helped set the record straight…

        BTW…how do you define what a Founding father to be? Involved in the Declaration of Independence, signer of the Constitution, or one who signed both? Or would it be who were the delegates to the Constitutional Convention? Or would it be those who drew up and signed he Articles of Confederation? Or maybe the members of the First (or Second) Continental Congress? Or the members of the Confederation Congress? Or the first Congress of the United States?

    • kate8

      Delores – Consider this. In any cases of political assassinations, the people would go nuts if an obvious professional sniper did it. What they require is a “crazed lone gunman”. Hasn’t that always been the case?

      Judge Roll was standing in his way.

      Nuff said.

      • eddie47d

        Dang Kate 8 you have become whacko!!

  • Phyllis

    I would like to believe Mr Obama was truly sincere with the message that he gave over television last night, but……I must say that from all that he has done, since he was elected to office, what he said last night doesn’t fit the image of that man. He must have had excellent speech writers, and I am certain that he practised that speech thoroughly. He gave the people what they wanted to hear, and the people were caught up with the emotion of that speech. I feel saddened when anyone uses a tragic circumstance to further their or another’s agenda or political situation. My hope is that this does not sway the public to re-elect him in 2012…..however, people are human and are always ready to give someone a “second” chance!

    • Karolyn

      What has Obama done to make you think he doesn’t care about people?

      • JUKEBOX

        He pushed Obamacare, Cap and Trade, and a myriad of other legislation that will “SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND”.

        • Carole Howell

          JUKEBOX,

          Have you noticed that the American middle class are shrinking? That millions of them are being pushed into poverty level,at the same time most of the wealth is concentrated in the hands of the top 7%, they get richer and we get poorer, our wages have been stagnant for years and years, but they get richer and richer by many times over.

          Did you complain about that wealth, being spread away from the masses and going straight to the top? You approve of that do you? What a fool. Or maybe you belong to that tiny group eh?

          • JUKEBOX

            No, I do not have a position in the Obama administration or in the Democrat Congress. That’s where a lot of those at the top of the wealth obelisk are.

      • kate8

        Karolyn – You have GOT to be kidding.

        Have you really not been paying attention to what everyone is saying?

        • eddie47d

          What you are saying is not what ALL Americans feel or think. They are not your clones and they don’t expect you to be theirs.

          • kate8

            eddie – I’m well aware that there are Obama sycophants out there. Yourself, for instance.

            I am also aware that there are many more who think as I do. And our numbers are gaining all the time.

          • eddie47d

            Don’t be so paranoid the sun will come up tomorrow so have a little faith.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

    Liberals are sicko’s like who even knew that woman but the idiot-in-charge made a big to do about it like he even cared like you say the Fort Hood incident was a after thought to that criminal and the comgresswoman is a major thing, the poor little girl that got killed is the one I really feel for I just hope this country gets out of the clutches of evil that has prevailed upon us since he became president

    • joe sun

      Linda its funny how no one talks about the girl,I wonder why she was there to start with.I can remember the little kids dressed in white sheets.
      I dont see why we can not leave our kids out of it.

      • Karolyn

        What do you mean, no one’s saying anything about the girl. By now we should all know her whole life history with all the publicity. She was there because she was just voted into her class council and was interested in politics.

        • JUKEBOX

          Joe must have been watching MSNBC and watching only the radical rants and none of the real news.

    • Carole Howell

      Linda,
      You don’t seem to care much for her or the others wounded and killed, one being a 9 yr old little girl. You sound as if you are as heartless as you say he is.

      BTW, have you noticed that Arizona’s newly elected Republicans have RESIGNED, yes, RESIGNED. They fear for their lives because they fear they may not be considered CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH FOR THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE.

      Did you notice that King, who just introduced that new gun law legislation (no guns within a 1000 feet of a politician)is a REPUBLICAN. The Republicans fear the ‘Tea Party’ people, they think 00000hh! we have created a monster.

      They do not fear the liberals, they fear ‘Tea Party’ people. What does that tell you. THINK.LOL Kinda blows your entire argument doesn’t it. No the left is not feared, it is the Right that is feared. The Left has no Ann Coulter, no Lush Limpballs, no M. Savage, no Sean ‘Hiel’ Hannity, no Glen Beck, no O’Rielly and others,who are on the air everyday.
      They spew hatred and division every damn day, they act as if we are not all Americans. They have made liberal a dirty word, yet most of this country’s founding fathers were liberals. Each and every one of us have both liberal and conservative ideas depending on the issues. To be all liberal or all conservative is to be looney, abnormal. What? you would kill someone who does not agree with you 100%? That is crazy, no one has all the answers.NO ONE.

      Ann Coulter said she would not mind if the terrorists blew up all of San Francisco, WTF! what the hell kinda talk is that? She also said she would not have minded one damn bit if Timothy McVey would have blown up the NY times building. Who on the left talks like that?

      • kate8

        Carole – If that’s true, it’s because they fear Obama will have them taken out, too.

        No doubt they received a visit, and were told how things work in DC now. I’ve heard that is SOP now.

      • JUKEBOX

        I seem to remember that most of the mass murderers in recent times have been some kind of fundamentalist whacko. I invite you to name some conservative killers in the last 100 years.

  • http://elliesmiles@hotmail.com Stuck in NY

    In total agreement with Phyllis on this. One speech does not alter bad leadership or promote it either. Let’s hold steadfast to our principles and seek a candidate in 2012 who we truly believe works for the good of the american people.

    • HFlashman

      We will. And that’s why Obama will be a two term presidency :)

    • Carole Howell

      Stuck in NY,
      You are a dreamer,nothing wrong with that I like to dream myself, but 2012 we will just get another puppet. Bought and paid for, unless we some how manage to take the big money out of our elections. People are working on it, there is a very large movement to do just that. Make all elections publicly funded.

      Right now our government swings whatever way the money comes from, whether it is foreign or domestic, matters not. They shot the last real President we had, and when Nixon gave them problems they ruined him. We have had nothing but spineless puppets ever since, nothing but figureheads, empty suits.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Carole,
        Nixon was nothing but a stupid LIAR!! When he was on the air saying we had no ground troops in Cambodia, my unit was flying them in every day!! When he was talking about the troop transports that were leaving Ton Son Nuit, he never said a word about the fact that each one came there FULL!! The fact that I say he was stupid comes from the FACT that he recorded every wrong deed that he did! I guess he started to believe his daughter when she said “My dad should be KING of the United States!”

  • Teresa

    It may have been inadvertent, but a passage in President Barack Obama’s speech to a memorial service in Tucson Wednesday night could undercut a criminal charge federal prosecutors have leveled at suspect Jared Loughner for the death of U.S. District Court Judge John Roll in a shooting rampage Saturday.

    “Judge Roll was recommended for the federal bench by John McCain 20 years ago, appointed by President George H.W. Bush, and rose to become Arizona’s chief federal judge,” Obama told the crowd at the University of Arizona. Roll’s “colleagues described him as the hardest-working judge within the Ninth Circuit. He was on his way back from attending mass, as he did every day, when he decided to stop by and say, ‘Hi,’ to his representative.”

    In the complaint supporting Loughner’s arrest, federal prosecutors argue that Roll wasn’t simply seeking to pay a social call on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) when he showed up at the community outreach event where the shooting spree took place Saturday. Prosecutors and the FBI insist that Roll “was engaged in official duties” because he wanted to talk to Giffords and her staffers about problems with a surging caseload in federal courts in Arizona, particularly along the Mexican border.

    Loughner’s alleged killing of Roll may only be a crime under federal law if Roll was on business and not merely stopping by to say hi to a friend. The death penalty is likely available to the feds anyway, because of the death of Giffords’s aide Gabriel Zimmerman. However, multiple murders are an additional aggravating factor that could lead to the death penalty under federal law, as is the killing of a federal judge when carrying out his official duties.

    As a legal matter, Obama’s view (which tracks with the public narrative offered by Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik) may be irrelevant, but it probably doesn’t help to have the President of the United States emphasizing the social aspect of Roll’s stop to see Giffords on Saturday, rather than the reason prosecutors claim drew him there.

    It should be noted that Roll’s killing is clearly prosecutable under Arizona law. The issue of the strength of the federal charge for his murder mainly affects the dynamic between the state and federal governments over which should go first in prosecuting Loughner. For now, the feds are asserting their right to press forward before the state does.

    • JUKEBOX

      You forget tha Eric Holder has Carte Blanche to prosecute or ot prosecute at his discretion, as he has proven during Clinton’s and Obama’s administrations.

  • Josh

    “You never let a serious crisis go to waste.”

  • jopa

    Deloris Smith;Your predjudices are at such a boiling point do you even know why the Latino man was at the side of the President?You need help!

    • Teresa

      I know exactly why this hero was there… But, can you answer me why the other hero’s were not sitting up front?

      • Karolyn

        pick,pick,pick,pick,pick! If you are gonna look for things to complain about, you will always find them. Next it will be “He didn’t say “God” enough in his speech.” And you notice he DID use God in his speech, so nobody can pick on him for not doing so!

        • Teresa

          Karolyn, why are you getting upset. Did I address you? Was I picking on your chosen one? If you would like to address me I will gladly chat w/you about this horrific act that took place in which the media and congress is using in order to further their agenda in order to take our rights and push for the NWO.

          • Karolyn

            You know, Teresa, it just gets tiring hearing people bitch and complain all the time. I know, why do I read these posts? I think it’s partly a morbid curiosity of how other people think and how far their fears will take them. I just feel sorry for anybody that lives with so much negativity. I know people like that, and they just love to bring everybody down with them. “Misery loves company.” Negativity breeds negativity.

          • kate8

            Well, Karolyn, It also gets tiring hearing your opinion of how much more evolved you are than we Christian neanderthals, and how you speak out of utter ignorance of the facts.

            Why even be here to discuss current events if all you want to read about is some fantasy world of positive thinking? The rest of us are dealing with the real world and want to talk about it. There are new age discussion blogs, I’m sure, that you’d enjoy.

            You can be quite exasperating yourself.

          • libertytrain

            Kate8 how can you possibly not believe, my goodness did you never read “The Secret.” Come on. :)

          • kate8

            Liberty – I’m sure I’ve read most of the books Karolyn’s read. Yes, I also read The Secret. There was nothing new there, either.

            I’ve always been a student of philosophy and religion, as well as arcane knowledge. It helps me put things into perspective.

            As with any novice, give them a little information and they think they’ve learned the secrets of the universe.

          • libertytrain

            Kate8 yes, most of us have – usually, when we are in that time of life – for me it was my 30′s – when I read everything I could on all religions to determine the meaning of life.

          • libertytrain

            Oh, The Secret was fun because it made the author’s so much money. I think one of them was recently busted for fraud or something similarly gross. The Secret reminded me of Gore-type people. Taking the bulk of the people for a ride.

          • Karolyn

            No who’s going all ego on us. Kate, I’ve been at this for almost 30 years. And you are right; The Secret was never a secret. It just brought previously somewhat obscure information into the light.

          • kate8

            Say whatever you want, Karolyn. The truth is, beliefs are only beliefs. None of us know a darned thing beyond that, other than what goes on inside our own hearts. And most people don’t even know that.

          • Karolyn

            What IS real, Kate? :-)

          • kate8

            You tell me, Karolyn. You are the enlightened one.

          • libertytrain

            Kate – Per my reference above to fraud and “The Secret.” An author of self-help books and one of the “gurus” that appeared in “The Secret” as an authority on getting all you wish for -charged with a few counts of manslaughter as a result of one of his seminars – he was so helpful they died.

          • Karolyn

            VERY old news, Liberty.

          • libertytrain

            You are too funny. It’s not old news if one hadn’t heard this about James Arthur Ray – and his escapades. Not even a year since news for the charges filed against him.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            karolyn,
            “hat is real? you really want to know? My love for my Lord, my Family and My country! and my knowledge that my Savior lives and is all around me!! If you don’t have that, then I pity you as you have nothing to believe in!!

      • JUKEBOX

        Because one of them was known to cary a gun, and that could not be tolerated in the great one’s presence.

      • HFlashman

        1. Some were still in the hospital
        2. Some were up front sitting in wheelchairs
        3. Some didn’t want the recognition
        4. And he was specifically asked by the pres to sit beside him to be honored
        5. Like all the other orators, he gave a speech requiring immediate unfettered access to the stage.

        And that, m’dear, is why he was in front and the remainder were not front and center in the camera lens for your viewing.

        Jeesh …

        BTW…Palin declined her invitation with no reason given. Boehner turned own the invite to fly out on AF One because he attended a fund raiser during the time the service was held. McConnell gave no reason for his refusing the AF One invite to attend the service.

        Ya proud of those caring, feeling leaders of the GOP?

        • JUKEBOX

          Flash, you failed to get your facts wrong again. The fundraiser Boehner attended was a bipartisan event for the Tucson victims in DC. It’s hard to be in two places at once for a mortal man. Unlike Obama, Boehner can’t walk on water!

      • smilee

        Because he was a speaker at the memorial service

      • Carole Howell

        Teresa,
        It may have been their choice, never assume. Old Marine saying, when you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME.

        Did you notice the lady that kept the shooter from reloading did not want to be shown on TV. Some people shun such attention.

  • chuckb

    we are being led by a media controlled by a political force that is contrary to our health. last night was obvious, the puppet masters dangled their talking machine before the bleeding hearts and they all wept. they use these type of incidents to pray on peoples conscience. even the bleeding hearts like charles krauthammer and chris wallace almost wet their pants listening to barry’s speech. bill o’reilly knelt in prayer to the messiah. so what chance do we have when the so called conservative talk show participants kneel at that the masters altar.
    what a bunch of weak kneed sisters that can’t see thru this garbage and the bad part of it they continue to use other peoples sorrow and loss to score political points. even the republicans are ready to sign up for any kind of gun control that will show they too care.

    • Karolyn

      COME ON! What wuld you have them do? Are you dense enough to think that anybody would defame a speech given in honor of those involved in this horrendous situation? I could just see the headlines then. I’m sure you would just love to see more fuel added to the fire wouldn’t you?

      • Karolyn

        would

    • Carole Howell

      Chuckb,
      What? it is a sin to care for people, it is a weakness to care for people? Are you saying the brave people who stopped the deranged individual should have just let him continue to kill. Were they ‘Bleeding Hearts’?

      What the hell is wrong with caring, that you would put such negative connotations on it? I have never understood that ‘Bleeding Heart’ crap, like it is beneath you to care. Are you inhuman? you care for no one? It is a sin to care? It is a fault? Even Neanderthals showed compassion. What does that make you?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Carole,
        Prehaps you apply the term where it isn’t needed! bleeding hearts would pertain to the people that would want this murderer to be sent to a cushy hospital after he killed a little girl, bleeding heart would pertain to any fool that would argue against the death penalty for this ba$tard!! A bleeding heart is a person that argues for more rights for the criminal than the victim!! Is it clear enough for you NOW???

  • Methinks

    I have read all of the above. There is a lot of good thinking going on but, Methinks you all think too much. All thinking and no action leaves nothing accomplished. If unhappy, with what you are thinking and arguing about, call, talk, write, e-mail, twitter, etc. your congressman/woman. Let him/her know your thoughts, if he/she is a thinker too and doesn’t follow through, put someone else in office who is not afraid to act on the good thoughts you share with them. We have elections for that very purpose. MOST IMPORTANT IS TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. Only when we start the communication process with the members of our congress can we get something accomplished. Thinking is great but thinking and constructive action is key to getting things accomplished. Not thinking and arguing with people who only want to change the outcome of your point of view. Say your piece and do something constructive about it.
    When was the last time you contacted your representative or senator? When was the last time you worked on a campaign, when was the last time you got out and canvassed. You all are fired up so now put those constructive thoughts to action. Arguing gets you nowhere. Discussion with the right persons gets the job done. (We send those we elect to Washington to do our bidding, so be a watchdog and see that they listen and act accordingly. Voting is a wonderful way to rid congress of the perpetual politicians who only spew rethoric,follow like sheep or take bribes to vote against the wishes of his/her constituents. Flood those phones,e-mail, etc. in Washington with calls to let them know your wishes and that you want action and (that means reading the Bills)as well as listening to you. If you get no action, then let them also know that come election day you, the constituent, will make sure to do the right thing, vote them out!

    • JUKEBOX

      I communicate with my Congressman and both my Senators on a regular basis, as well as other members of Congress on both sides. Nuff said!

    • Teresa

      Every week.

    • Carole Howell

      Methinks,
      I like the way you think.

  • chuckb

    karolyn

    the congresswoman is still alive, i doubt very much is this memorial would have taken place if she hadn’t been involved. the liberals use other peoples sorrow to promote their political agenda and move gun control legislation. i watched the memorial for a few minutes then shut it off, what a circus, the democrats have no shame.

    • Karolyn

      Well, obviously the 13,000 people there appreciated it. If he hadn’t spoken, everybody would be blasting him. He just can’t win!

      • chuckb

        karolyn

        yes, he could win if he would act like a patriotic american and respect the constitution instead of attempting to change the course of this country to a socialistic society, however, the people that pull his strings are the ones to fear, i don’t think this guy has the mental capacity to understand what he says and little of what he does. the liberals like to refer to him as a mental giant and some of our so called republicans think this too.i see a very shallow person who cannot operate on his own with the ability to read off the teleprompter better than most. a person controlled by a shadowy conspiratory group who have an interest in destroying this country.

        another thing, they held this memorial at the university of arizona who no doubt made up most of the 13,000 you refer to. the democrats know where to get support for spectacles such as this.

        • eddie47d

          All Presidents run to friendly crowds or friendly venues,so you Chuck are only making hay. I don’t live in Tucson but maybe it was the only place available at such a quick notice. Use some common sense until you know the facts.

          • Denniso

            Chuchb,I see you haven’t changed your tone after the killings. Terms like ‘shadowy conspiracy’ and ‘an interest in destroying the country’, are just what add to the paranoia of unstable people when preached by so many on the right repeatedly. Also, those comments are flat wrong. Big money and large corporations have controlled much of the country for most,if not all,of our existence. They have more power and influence then regular people,but they aren’t a shadowy conspiracy. The rightwing Koch brothers are one side of the power structure trying to make the country as they want it to be. Some on the left are doing the same.

            None of them intend to destroy the country…why? To what purpose? I have heard all the talk of one world gov’t and Obama as marxist dictator,all hogwash.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Karolyn,
        good! Then he knows how Bush2 felt during Katrina! If he doesn’t go in right away and waits for the invite like the law states, he is vilitied as uncaring. If he goes right in as the people wanted him to, he would have been impeached!!

    • Carole Howell

      The so called conservatives took advantage of the tragedy of 9/11 to take our rights away, read the Patriot Act. I am not defending Obama, he broke his promise to restore our rights. I am just pointing out, you are being silly to say such things. You are being divisive, which is what the powers that be want you to be. Your programing is complete. Next.

  • http://na. Robert Bradfield

    It’s that South African again. It is always terrible to have someone shot for whatever reason. Although I do not know the lady shot in the head I do pray for her recovery everyday. This being said I need to state that the process in the US seems to be a classical process of covert force.

    As human beings we do not like to find ourselves in an uncertain situation, we will always try to return to something that resembles what we deem as normal, even though we might have to give some of our freedoms away. The typical process for change, therefore, starts with the creation of uncertainty – having a politician wounded or killed or creating an instability in the economy, markets, banking or where ever. Our reaction is predictable – we start to worry, then the “savior” arrives with the plan to change the situation but with a price tag – either one needs to accept limits to in freedoms or change in legislation or whatever the “savior” needs. To get our certainty back we accept the change without question.

    With the benefit of hindsight would most Americans accept the changes in their liberties after the 9/11 disaster, had it not taken place? From my analysis I do not think so, since then there have been more such situations where individual and group liberties have been limited under the guise of preventing terror. The “savior” brought the solution to a problem that threatened your certainty.

    This process was used in South Africa prior to the new government being elected in our country. The same thing happened in 1917 in Russia, later in Cuba, and in every other country in the world where changes were needed to achieve either social or political aims. In most cases the cause for change are effected by the group that want the effect that they need. Do I believe in conspiracy theories, only in such matters that leads to changes that would not have been viable under other circumstances. Taking over the world by whoever, the New World Order or Communism or any other -ism, then I must say I do.

    I pray for God’s protection for the US and South Africa.

    • Carole Howell

      Robert,
      There was a time I would have believed you to be a nut, however I have learned so much since then, I now believe, sadly, you may be right.

      We have to do a lot more than pray, we need to do as Methinks advises and we need to push to get the money out of our elections, that will save our Nation without firing a shot.

  • Bill

    Oregon has a state sales tax, and this sounds better than the National IRS tax, I for one say use it, dump IRS, and there thugs, this way all pay on what you buy, from granny to Bill Gates, all pay and fairly, I see this as a plus, now if we could go to the gold standard and do away with the Federal Reserve we would be heading some place. Folks if we shut the border and deported all illegal invaders, made anchor babies the citizens of their parents, we would pay the deportations costs in 14 to 16 months on what we spend on them here in America any way. After that that money would be to our + and it should start bringing America back to a finically stable country. Now the interests on the debts we have just piled up would have to be worked on but all this is a huge + for America, bringing back our factories would help, Folks we need to do something about Homeland Security, disbanding it would be the best! We need to do something about the schools system and from what I see of the waist disbanding it too would be a start. Government waist and over government rule must stop, We need to get out of NATO and the UN and stop funding them as well as supplying troops for them, we are not the world police force and I for one do not want a American Union as a government, I like a sovereign America with closed borders, no loans to other countries till we are solvent and demand or subtract lone’s we have given to other nations in the past as due or subtract what we now owe them from our bill. Remove all NATO and foreign troops from America soil! all this would again bring huge amounts of cash back to America that interest and principle on the debts now owed could become much smaller and all with what we spend now. bring back our factories and start drilling for oil again, the EPA and other environmental agencies need to get a grip, they are forcing business out of the country, we need to protect nature to but we have to live and earn a living a compromise must be met. There is enough oil and natural gas in America alone to supply the American people for hundreds of years to come, we could stop all oil importation, with that our national debt and interest should go to about 0, We have the means, we need to change some things, this would bring about a healthy finically stable America, New energy technology is being developed and needs to be put on a high priority as some is about to come on line, or I live in a new oil development area, put gas powered electric plants right in the gas field, they are burning it off now, just letting it go, (no pipe line or way to store or transport it built yet) this burn off gas could be firing a power plant now, high capacity electric lines already pass through the area, and we have large wind farms with lines coming in. So what is the problem of some natural gas generators going in now, free electricity but for the cost of the generators, People it is there, all we need to do is use it, stop big oil and business from strangling us finically on artificial price increases, we can be talking about $1.00 fuel, gas and diesel now if we would. We can have People working again, and not that big of hit on the environment. Its government and big $ business that have us staving and scratching for a living now. The solutions are at our finger tips now, the solutions are there. Obama is here to destroy the American dollar and our country for a socialist American Union were the very rich make out on the everyday mans misery and loss of freedom, we have the best thing for a government and nation in the world, we have those who want to destroy it for their benefit only! We are being sold out and feed a line of horse shit.

    • chuckb

      bill

      the answer to the natural gas generators: there are financial and political concerns who don’t want $1.00 gasoline. they want to control the population with environmental concerns.

    • HFlashman

      “Oregon has a state sales tax,” <— bill

      Ummmm…I live in Oregon and last I heard voters have turned down a state sales tax 17 times since the 1920's. A politician wants to retire in this state, suggest a change to the state constitution to allow a sales tax.

      but then, I may be wrong since I haven't bought anything today. They may have held a vote to change the State Consitution since yesterday …

    • Carole Howell

      Bill,
      I agree with most of what you say. We are struggling because we have had our jobs moved to other countries by corrupt corporations, who make billions and take their profits off shore.

      Look at BP, they are not even an American corporation, they made billions in profits and paid no U S taxes, yet got millions of dollars of a tax rebate from the our Federal gov. How is that?

      About the U N, we are in the arrears as far as what we are suppose to pay and have been for years, our government criticizes the U N for being toothless and this Government has broken more U N resolutions than any other country except for Israel.

      Our government sends our troops into battle, not in defense of our Nation, but to help Multi Nationals take what they want by force from small countries, that they cannot get by asking. Iraq was never a threat to us. We never invade a country to benefit the people of that country, never ever have. Most of our foreign aid goes to tyrannical dictators who are corrupt and will do corporate bidding and line their pockets ignoring the interests of their own people. Our gov. does not care how cruel they are to their people, so long as mega corporations get what they want and what they want is never in the interest of our own people either. American interests my eye.

      We are lied to about everything.

  • Methinks

    Carolyn, methinks you are right so lets get some action on this. We all need to be writing our congressmen about what a sham this became. A vitural campaign rally! All the screaming, yelling, applauding at wierd places did not come from people who were mourning. Those who were there to mourn the loss of those wonderful people were probably wondering what was happening. The true mourners and hero’s did not want the attention on them, even the latino did not want to be center stage. I felt sorry for him as he was reluctant to stand and quickly sat back down. The screaming and yelling was no doubt led by union paid employees, if truth be known. Obama was there (wifee by his side)to let the public know what a wonderful leader he is, and (knowing his background and Muslim partiality…as stated in his book- read it “Dreams from My Father”) he successfully mocked the Bible. Notice the verse he chose made note to the Children of Isreal,… that they had been given twice what they deserved. My question, was this symbolic of stating possibly that Arizona or America deserved even 1 death? This man is no lover of our Wonderful country and its people. He is sly and gets his licks in where he can in sneaky ways. ALL THE MORE REASON TO STAY TUNED INTO WHAT THE PARTY IN POWER IS DOING AT ALL TIMES. IT was a cheap trick to turn such a somber event into a fiasco/political rally for Obama. This was supposed to be a memorial service for the dead and a rally for hope for those recouperating, not a screaming yelling affair for the President But, America is a forgiving people and will give his party the benefit of the doubt. If that fiasco had been held for one of my loved ones, I would surely LET my CONGRESSMEN KNOW HOW I felt about it. We can all let our representatives know what we thought of it. THE SQUEAKY WHEEL usually gets the most attention, so lets tell them what a fiasco it was. A campaign rally Arizona did not need, a somber prayerful event of love, hope and sorrow would have been appropriate. Let’s squeak enough to slide this insensitive man right out of office.

    • Karolyn

      WRONG!

    • bob wire

      “A campaign rally Arizona did not need, a somber prayerful event of love, hope and sorrow would have been appropriate. Let’s squeak enough to slide this insensitive man right out of office.”

      I darn to say, I don’t believe you know the meaning of the words you use.

      • Karolyn

        For me, the speech was hopeful and unifying, and that is what the pundits were all saying today.

        • Denniso

          ANYTHING Obama does or says,they attack. Doesn’t matter what it is.

  • Karolyn

    Just heard Obama’s approval rating is up!

    • chuckb

      so where is the poll now three points over zero, he probably picked up two from his super bowl last night. what a con job, you have to hand it to him. he even had his cheer leaders in the gallery

    • bob wire

      not surprising ! and Unless the GOP comes forward with a serious contender, someone I know nothing of today, “O” might well have a shot at a second term.

      The GOP & supporters seemed determined to keep shooting themselves in the foot. If you will remember Karolyn, they did much the same thing with their insane hatred of the Clinton’s.

      It’s much like watching Wiley Coyote chase down the Road Runner. Every Acme Product they buy or build seems to blow up in their face and then they get angry at everyone looking on in disbelief.

      How dare we watch them blunder through a mine field of their own making and offer critical commentary.

      When are they going to realize, “they only need to do their best” and quit trying to build a trap to catch somebody.

      • Carole Howell

        Bob,
        I hear Donald Trump is considering running.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Carole–I have heard this too. And if Trump does run, perhaps I will vote for him.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Karolyn,
      I heard on the news today that his approval rating is down two points!! you better check a little deeper!

  • jopa

    Teresa:You want to know why the other heroes were not sitting up front.Apparently there are only so many chairs in the front row and the individuals not just people of importance to Congresswoman Gifford but predominance usually are seated up front.That is the way it has always been on such occasions.The president did his best to acknowledge all the heroes involved.

  • jopa

    OOPS; should have been prominance not predominance, my bad.

  • Methinks

    Sorry, apparently we have some who do not understand plain English. Let me explain as per the meanings as laid out in Webster’s own language.

    RE the following:

    “A campaign rally, Arizona did not need, a somber prayerful event of love, hope and sorrow would have been appropriate. Let’s squeak enough to slide this insensitive man right out of office.”

    also re your words;

    “I darn to say, I don’t believe you know the meaning of the words you use”
    ……
    Could it be, young man, you don’t know the meaning of the word “darn”.(mend, or a euphemism for the curse word “Damn”) Try that line on someone besides an English Major. The word you want is dare.

    Again, I will say in Webster’s language, Arizona did not need a campaign rally for the insinsitive, pompas, narcissist imposter who is currently masquerading as the President of the USA. He was speaking at a Memorial Service, not at a campaign rally. In case you are not aware of what a memorial service is, it is usually a somber (melancholy, sad) event entwined(intermingled) with rays of hope, love and sorrow, thence(therefore) a choir and not a band.

    In case you do not understand about the squeaky wheel, I will explain that too. The squeaky wheel usually gets the oil (grease that makes things slippery) and gets more attention than those that don’t squeak, and OIL sir is usually slippery. Thus, the line …. lets squeak (a metaphor meaning write, call, tweet, etc. – speak up and often ….create enough noise that your congressman/woman will take notice and be more thoughtful of what the agenda is across the aisle and therefore listen to his/her constituents. Thus, hopefully we will successfully vote (because we have applied the oil necessary by squeaking)to SLIDE the imposter out of office.) Any other explanations you need, please let me know. maybe I could send you one of my dictionaries, or my thesaurus. It is a pleasure to help one incapable of understanding plain English.

    It is apparent(should I explain that word also?)that the ruckus was coming from certain people on the “Left”, and members of unions, and students who were given matching t-shirts that was printed up for them to wear, and draped across the seats before the event. It was made into a political event in which their representative was taking part in. Their focus, or job, as some are truly paid to show up, is to create a fuss or rally any opposition group, and to back up the liberal agenda. The screamers certainly did what they were there for last night. they succeeded in turning a solom, prayerful event into a pep rally for the imposter who delivered a good speech with no emotion. He of course could have put an end to the screaming and yelling “Go Obama” had he wanted to but, unfortunately he chose not to, thus the event became a pep rally for Obama instead of the Memorial service it was intended to be. The inappropriate screaming and yelling set the tone.

    This man is supposed to be our leader, and just one word from him could have stiffled the disruptions and the event would have been a far different occasion and one truly honoring those who were murdered as well as those who are hospitalized and still fighting to live and heal. A screaming pep rally for OBAMA was not the reason the majority of the people were there. The disruptions were reprehensible (do I need to explain this word also?)and an attempt to create mayhem where reverence was necessary. Such insensitive people were there to create chaos, not to recognize the event for what it was or to pay reverence to the dead. . . . . . . . On the other hand, what do we really expect of the union t-shirt wearers that are generally paid with taxpayer dollars to show up at rallies, and the immature students that have no sense of apppropriate action unless they have some form of leadership? As usual “O” lived up to his cold narcissistic ways and his inability to be a leader in times of crises. True to his style, he kept quiet and roudyness prevailed. As usual he is late responding so once again the real Obama presented himself as disconnected. . .cold, unemotional, insensitive, and on another plane (different level of existence) from that of the common man. Even the hugs and guestures of comfort seemed to be part of a photo op.

  • Methinks

    oops, English major, but not the best speller

    Ex. “insensitive

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:
    1-13-11

    It was sad to see the lack of decorum in the manner on how it was organized; thus mild confusion ensued as to who is really in charge in the matter of elected state officials, and respect for their. It has been most common and proper to give the Govenor the honor of opening the event, introduce the president of the United States, President of the college who in turn takes over the proceedings with brief words before an invocation. As it turned out, I felt as though we were at a pep rally. For the first time in my life there was cheering, clapping, shouting, whistles and utter chaos during a, “prayer”, which started out about, “who I am” and, “the Creator”, came last. In viewing the audience, those bowing their heads, including the President, raised them, looked at each other as if confused whether it was a prayer or a speech. I did not sense that the pep rally effect was proper during a, “prayer”, if that is what it was meant to be. The President of the university/ college should have calmed down the boisterous crowed and reminded them that out of respect for the families of those who died, there should be somlemnity. As for the T-shirts, “Arizona will thrive”….that was political and way out of place. Too many incensitive conduct but the President did all that he could to bring some civility although he should have asked for less yelling and applause while making his speech.

    I have seen this type of rudness when Sheriff Joe Arpaio visits a college in Arizona or California. They seem to believe that he has no right to be there. He pays taxes and protects the Constitution but has no free speech? Is this the the generation of our future leaders?. Wake up, America. I for one will not donate to any colleges in Arizona.

    • Karolyn

      Have you never seen an African-American church service. Are they disrespectful when they shout and clap? Even if the pres had hung his head through the whole thing, you would have found reason for criticism. Your mind is closed. Many cultures celebrate life at funerals, let alone memorial services. I found it very moving and filled with hope and coming together.

      • http://marcum@wildblue.net coal miner

        Karolyn,

        Wiselady hasn’t been to a Pentecostal church funeral.It last for three days.They have big dinners and from an casual observer it looks like a celebration.People and strangers meet each other,talk over old times, gorge themselves with food and soft drinks.There is logic to this,it relieves the pain and the suffering the relatives endure.

        • Denniso

          The rightwing just wants another thing to criticize Obama for,when the tragedy itself should be the focus. I thought at the time that it had too much of a pep rally feeling to it,but to waste time and energy on the ‘feeling’ of the event is ridiculous. Even the right should reserve any anger and outrage for the killer and the tragedy that has impacted so many lives,especially the little girl. I wish to hell that she had survived. Terrible…lay off of the petty criticism of Obama and stay angry at the horrible tragedy that affects all of us as Americans.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:
    1-13-11

    I know why The Speaker, Boehner, did not want to attend.

    1. Obma might have wanted him to pay for the flight.
    2. He probably knew that it was a pep rally.
    3. He had a memorial service for the Congressmen and women in D.C.
    4. He wanted to spare himself the confusion that prevailed in the
    supposed memorial service. This was not a celebration of life.

    As one who appreciates the memory of friends and relatives who have passed away, I was left with a very sad feeling that what was memorialize just wasn’t there, hope, loving one another with deep compassion and empathy was not expressed from the heart, i.e. as President Obama was shaking hands just about to exit, I noticed Dr. Lee lingering near Obama’s presence as though he wanted to have a word with him. The President only turned his head towards him and just as Dr. Lee began to speak to him by making a forward step, Obama and Michelle turned around quickly and exited the door and left without saying a word to Dr. Lee who is also a Veteran. That was shameful.

    I am proud of the Hispanic Hero who was truly sad and somber over the horrific event. That was respectful.

  • George Mazes

    You have a lunitic on the loose that commits this insane act against humanity and the victems and family members. Politicians are so quick to capitalize on this brutal killing to clean their dirty laundry.Shame on you liberals. A crazed killer who hated politicians based on his readings of certain communist and fascist books. Grow up. Your always looking for a scape goat for your own personal agenda You are as sick as the lunitic killer of that massecre. Have a nice day if your conscience allows you to.

    • Denniso

      People need to figure out why this kind of thing continues to happen in America much more than in every other 1st world country. There is no political agenda from the left,just a desire to try to stop this from happening again,and part of that is to find the causes for these horrible tragedies. Why,for instance,does it almost never happen in other countries? Is it our vile political language filled w/ violent metaphors? Is it our very easy access to guns,unlike most other countries? Is it inherent in our people that we are just more violent than most others? Is it our popular culture that is filled w/ violent entertainment and that affects all of us from the time we are born into the society?

      You are way off base in blaming the Democrats for trying to further a political agenda…the only agenda is that of the NRA and gun/amo manufacturers who reap billions from all the fear and hate.

      • Denniso

        In regard to the right blaming the left for ‘playing politics’ w. the killings…when we have an earthquake w/ buildings collapsing too readily and many killed,we look at the building codes and debate whether they are good enough or not…when an airliner crashes resulting in death,we look at the systems involved and try to fix whatever may have gone wrong. When we have these now fairly common tragedies w/ people gunned down in a matter of minutes,we throw up our hands and proclaim that it’s just another crazed person and there’s nothing we can do about it,and get on w/ our life,waiting for the next killing to happen. That’s stupid and certainly doesn’t get us anywhere,as we see from succeeding tragedies that now come along like clockwork. We act like fools w/ no clue as to why it happened and what can be done to prevent more death. Are we really that dumb and hapless as a society,or does it only appear that way because the NRA has been so good at convincing most people that there’s nothing to be done? They have the real agenda, and it all comes down to money.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Denniso,
          Again, Iask you how many of these murders were commited with legally obtained weapons??? So a guy kills with an illegally obtained gun and you ban legal guns??? Gee I wish they would take that stance with the illegal mexicans and ban ALL of them for awhile!!

          • Denniso

            The killer was totally legal in having a gun,not illegal under AZ law. He should not have been able to buy a gun as easily as he did.

            I’m not saying we have to ban guns,just that we need laws and restrictions that keep the mentally ill or proven violent from obtainng guns legally,and just like now some guns should not be legal. No one needs a clip that holds 30 rounds either.

            Guns are the least regulated thing in the country,and given the bloodbath everyday in the country that should change.

          • bob wire

            Yea and the truth is , he should been allowed alone with a pair of scissors

  • jopa

    Wiselady;I also heard what some would call cheeriing or a pep rally type of atmosphere.However there were tens of thousands of people of every race religion and nationality imaginable present in the audience.I have been to many funerals in my life and differant people react in differant ways.It is not up to me to judge them and have learned to hold my emotions and thoughts to myself and not be critical of others.It was truly an emotional event and has received praise from most everyone.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    If the gvt. wants to see a real blood bath in this country just let them try firearms confiscation. Even the Dems aren’t that stupid. What happened in Tuscon was the actions of a deranged maniac, end of story. May God bless the casualties and their families of this awful crime and may justice be swift and sure for this lunitic. As bad as everything was that he did, killing that beautiful child should earn him a ride on ” Old Sparky.”
    We all pray for the speedy recovery of the victims, including this good Congresswoman. Our country needs more like her. we also pray that high profile people like Hillary Clinton, Ram Emanuel, George Soros, and Barney Frank stay safe from harm.

    • Denniso

      NO ONE is talking about firearms confiscation,only reasonable laws controlling the sale of them.

  • klb

    Well, it is easy to figure out…Blast those you are afraid of (an obvious candidate).. and it will keep all eyes off the other agenda…defeat health care…same dance 2 steps one way and one back..

  • klb

    also get rid of talk radio and take away the guns…after all free speech and gun rights are bad for others. Also sneaky Hairy REED is trying to change house rules now while this ruckous is going on…that means when they make the greatest noise ,,,look to what is sneaking up for the sucker punch…

    • Denniso

      Well there’s something wrong w/ our country…25,000 or so dead from gun vilence a yr. If people can’t be trusted w/ guns then we should do something to stop the carnage. Tougher gun laws,smaller clips,etc…

  • Methinks

    I swore I would not get into this frey, but I cannot sit back and let the uninformed keep blaming the wrong people and inanimate objects for this senseless killing. Mr. Denniso I know you must be a bright guy but maybe I can shed a little light on a couple of things for you.

    Re your statement: “Why this kind of thing continues to happen in America much more than in every other 1st world country”
    Please read the news! Riots and unrest are taking place all over the world (political). In England, I believe Camilla and the Prince got caught up in the middle of a riot and the rioting mob literally tried to cause them harm. Ireland, France and numerous other countries have had their political riots. So you see, America is not the only one, why do we have more? Well we are a larger country by far but for the most part, our military has kept us safer than most. Many nations are having or have had in recent months, political uprisings. Students (re. tuition), government workers (pensions and retirement age problems)and on an on. The masses are all acting like idiots and rioting. As is happening in America, there are many problems causing political unrest in many other countries. Wherever, there is man, there will always be trouble unless you believe in a utopia. And to answer your question, “WHY” , because there is evil everywhere, and people have stopped listening to each other and no longer are trying to get along. The current President and his party have set the tone all too well. How? The people of this country do not want Obamacare but our President and his party were hell bent on passing the bill whether or not it was what the people wanted. This ruling party seems to think that it knows better than the people as to what is best for them. YEAH, IT IS ALL ABOUT POWER AND POWER RULES! As the left has put it, “the American people are all too dumb to know what is best for them. The Democratic party knows better!”…….. Excuse me!……. this is my body and I like to choose my own doctors and I think I know what is best for me certainly not some bureaucrat in Washington. I also prefer my doctor’s professional opinion as opposed to some DIPSTICK in Washington telling the doctor what procedure he can perform on me. Again, the emphasis in Washington today is POWER…Control of everything even the people. The present ruling political party believes and has proven that they will go to any means to shove whatever they can down the people’s throats. Besides taking over the auto industry and schools, government has….. passed laws that can put a parent (or teacher) in prison for discipling a child should the kid want to say the person administering the discipline was abusive. How do I, know this? Even the 7 year old foster kid my daughter has knows he cannot be spanked, if she lays a hand on him he knows he can cry abuse and she can be charged with abuse and prosecuted. She cannot lay a finger on him or put him in time out over 5 minutes at a time. (Tell me how does a parent or teacher you train or discipline a kid that knows they have no control over him?) Result, the kid gets off and the parent or teacher gets jailed. Government has taken the power to disclipline away from the Parents and teachers and even the little kids can go to the police and say they were abused and the parents have to prove their innocence of such behavior. They have no power to discipline kids anymore, thanks to the nanny government, there is no consequence for disobedience. Thus we have grown a lazy generation of kids who will not listen to direction from parents and teachers and who have no respect for them or their elders. The kids are growing up with the attitude that the world owes them a living and they demand it. (Thugs today get younger and younger).

    Government has also taken over the Banks, the environment, the waterways, creeks, and ponds, our Energy, and healthcare. Now they are taking over the airways and The web. Bills are being drawn up to take our guns away as well as chipping away at our freedom of speech, not to mention the devaluation of the dollar so that we are slowly being financially destroyed and made subservient. What is left? Surfdom and a ruling Elite class. I would certainly rethink any statement that says the left does not have an agenda. The ruling class with all 44 Tzars are setting up a class system for our wannabe dictator. POWER being the goal achieved by any means and that includes destroying the integrity of any who disagree with them and by whatever means it takes. Remember this? “…never waste a good crisis” spoken by one of “O’s own hand picked thugs. The arrogant attitude of the Progressive Democrat Party in todays world appears to be that of the old saying,”it is our way or the highway”. Progressive Democrats…. (el Toro popo), this is pure demogogery. I have yet to see the current party in power try to work with the other party. The Republicans were frozen out of any action on the healthcare bill and other bills that were rushed through congress without ever being read before a vote was taken.

    The “crisis” came with the shooting in AZ and it was the liberals on the left: (K. Olbermann, Charlie Wrangel..(can’t believe that unscrupulous individual is still a congressman but of course he is a liberal/progressive democrat), Paul Krugman (The New York Times) and numerous others who seized the moment and tried their best to blame the shootings on certain members of the right. (part of the fuss about blame was to cover the bill they were working on to take our firearms away from us once again and to control what we can and cannot say. (AND, you say the left does not have an agenda…..give me a break!) The “Left” jumped on Rahm Emanuel’s statement…(“never let a crisis go to waste” and quickly got that bandwagon rolling to create a smoke screen to cover what was going on behind the scenes while trying to place blame for the shooting on those of the republican Party and the conservatives of the T-Party.

    I, having been a Democrat in the past, became a Republican to fight for my rights and the rights of others. In my numerous years of voting and living through a bevy of presidents, never have we ever had a demagogue in office until now and we are closer to becoming another Germany (Heil Hitler)than ever before in America’s history. This Marxist/communist/progressive/demogag government has no intention of working together with the Republican Party or to work harmoniously together on anything. Instead, the goal is to discredit the republican party and T-Party and politically destroy them. They did not care that this was a methotically planned attempt of assination of a congresswoman and her constituents by a crazed killer/mentally dearranged person. The goal……. To Destroy The Opposition…..that being any conservative or anyone on the right!

    Regarding your statement,”There is no political agenda from the left,just a desire to try to stop this from happening again,and part of that is to find the causes for these horrible tragedies.”……… Methinks this is a wishful, unbelievably insincere statement that is almost a slap in the face of those conservative individuals who were so horribly accused and blamed as having incited this awful shooting. Those playing the blame game were no other than the people on the left who you believe only want to find the cause of these horrible tragedies….. This is horse puckey..the left themselves are part and parcel of the cause with their poisionous accusations, blaming people like Russ L., Sarah P. and others and placing them in harms way by accusing them of inciting people to actually kill. The loose lipped accusing liberals did not seem to care what actions their words might provoke. …. This is the very reason I am Republican today and not a dem-a$$. Seems Liberals don’t mind doing the exact thing they accused the right of doing. They followed through with their motto: “NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE!”. They started to place blame on the other party before the victims ever reached the hospital. Methinks if you would truly get to know your party of choice a little better you will get your answer. The answer can be found by looking at what the leaders of the Democrat Party are truly saying and doing. Open your eyes and look closely. You will find your statement is very naive. As I previously said, we are under the power of a demogog. “O” in his speech said that this shooting was not caused by the lack of civil discourse……. And he was right, it wasn’t started by language alone. The entire leadership has been an effort to put down, destroy and render the right impotent by accusing the conservatives and T-party of being “astro-turf”,”swastika carrying terrorists”. The goal being to render ineffective the opposition or any who disagree with the left’s agenda. And even stooping to play the race card as was the case that brought about the “Beer Summit” at the White House which was better known as the “save face summit” where “O”, our fearless leader, never uttered a public apology for having wrongly accused the policeman of playing the race card. Instead the great leader gave a few words of advice on how to get along together, he of course accepted no blame. Yes, something should be done. The left needs to try harder to work with the other party. More proof of the left’s hatred, happened today by Eric Fuller a well known leftist. He was Shot in the knee by the shooter last week in AZ and today was arrested for taking a picture of a man who disagreed with him and then told him he was dead. Getting shot and knowing what a Wacko shot him did not change his biased liberal mind at all.

    Last but not least your other point.
    Your wrote the following,”You are way off base in blaming the Democrats for trying to further a political agenda…the only agenda is that of the NRA and gun/amo manufacturers who reap billions from all the fear and hate.”

    Try to understand the populus of this country and the demographics of it then you will know that different areas exist and subsist by various means. Guns being one of them and they remain a very necessary instrument of protection in this country as well as a means of procuring food for the table also. This country has areas where a person should either carry a gun or have one available for support at any given time. Had all the people in that group in AZ been licensed to carry, I doubt a lone shooter would have killed so many before being shot himself. Trust me, I have had 3 occasions (robbed two times and carjacked once)where I desperately needed protection and fortunately escaped with my life, only by the grace of God. Never will I travel again without some form of protection. PLEASE UNDERSTAND, Inanimate objects (Guns) do not kill by themselves. Man kills. Have you ever seen a gun pull its own trigger. GUNS DO NOT KILL WITHOUT HELP FROM A HUMAN.

    I do believe this is still a capatalist country even though the left is trying to change it to a “Nanny State”. And Most businesses here are run on a Profit basis(except of course those run by the government and it uses the taxpayers money and its workers get raises regardless of their production rate.) However, Gun Manufactures, like any other litigimate business need to make a profit to keep the doors open and guns, fortunately are a necessary part of many people’s livlihood. There are many people whom I know personally who live off of meat they get from hunting and fishing. I, myself, have fish in my freezer (taken from my brothers pond) and also deer meat in my freezer. Should you lose your job, and it could happen, it has happened to thousands already this year, are you going to depend only on Uncle Sam to feed you? If not, you may need to do as others around here do, depend on the land for some of the food they eat. Guns have helped many a farmer keep his coffers full especially when he has to wait until after the crop is harvested to be paid or when he has been unlucky enough to have a failed crop (flooded field or drougth). There are many in this country who hunt boar, turkey, dove, deer and other animals for food as well as catch much of the fish they eat. I know of no one who kills for the fun of it. They usually belong to a hunting club and share the kill after the hunt. Guns are a very necessary part of life in many parts of this country and they are important to the safety of the citizens of this country. Many a woman is dead today because some freak raped and killed. Result, more women today carry weapons to defend themselves. Take away the citizens weapons of defense and you are making the people defenseless victims. Thugs and rapist and gangs usually have unregistered guns and they know where to get them or already have them. You will not be unarming the thugs, instead you will be rendering legal honest citizens helpless to become victims of the thugs that have no problem using illegally acquired firearms to rob or kill.

    GUNS DON’T KILL, IF YOU OUTLAW THEM, THEN WILL YOU OUTLAW KNIVES, SWORDS(beheadings in Mexico are happening more often these days), HAMMERS, BASEBALL BATS, POKERS, GOLF CLUBS,ALL LARGE BLUNT OR SHARP OBJECTS, EVEN SLINGSHOTS….. YES, REMEMBER “DAVID KILLED THE GIANT, GOLIATH, WITH A SLINGSHOT”! ANY OBJECT CAN BECOME A WEAPON AND ANYONE WHO THINKS NOT, IS A BIT DAFFY. WHEN A DEARRANGED PERSON WANTS TO KILL BAD ENOUGH, BELIEVE ME, HE WILL FIND A WEAPON TO USE TO ACCOMPLISH THE HORRIBLE ACT!

    • wayne

      Methinks, you have written you message extremely well. I read it very caefully, and I agree with everything you say. I don’t know what it is going to take for the liberals (Socialist) to be able to see things without looking through a translucent glass, but instead look through clear glass. I just can’t quite figure them out. Are they stupid, or are they listening to the wrong people? Maybe we should just feel sorry for them. Thanks for the well written message.

      • Denniso

        By that childish ‘logic’,’guns don’t kill’,we should then allow everyone to legally own grenades,missiles,bombs,machine guns,nukes,rocket launchers…why don’t you fight for your right to own any and all ‘arms’. The constitution doesn’t tell us that some ‘arms’ should not be legal. And if your ‘logic’ is correct then we should have no problem or fear in allowing all ‘arms’,because guns(weapons)don’t kill, people do.
        Let’s really think about who’s being ‘stupid’…

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