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Let’s Call Obama’s Bluff

February 22, 2013 by  

Let’s Call Obama’s Bluff
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The Chicken Littles in Washington are sure having conniptions over the thought of having to make some spending cuts, aren’t they?

“Sequestration” has become the new scare word, with the White House and its allies using language like “doomsday,” “deeply destructive,” “irresponsible” and “catastrophic.”

President Barack Obama sounded the alarm over sequestration in his State of the Union speech. “These sudden, harsh, arbitrary cuts,” he declared, “… would certainly slow our recovery, and cost us hundreds of thousands of jobs.”

Pardon me while I inject a little reality into this picture.

First of all, there is nothing “sudden” about this so-called crisis. It’s been staring us in the face for the past 18 months. And it was the White House, not Republicans in Congress, who first came up with the idea.

Back in the summer of 2011, Obama’s team made the proposal for mandatory spending cuts as part of the debt-ceiling negotiations. The Administration insisted that the cuts be divided between defense spending and domestic programs, no doubt assuming that the Republicans would never permit hundreds of billions of dollars to be removed from the Pentagon’s budget.

So far, Obama’s team has lost that bet. It seems that the Republicans who control the House of Representatives believe that sequestration is the only way to force some spending cuts on the Federal behemoth, so they are willing to let it happen.

I couldn’t agree with them more. During the last big tax-cut battle, doing nothing meant raising taxes for everyone. The Republicans got what they thought was the best possible compromise in the New Year’s Day fiscal cliff deal. The bargain retained the George W. Bush-era tax cuts for all but families earning $450,000 a year or more.

But today, doing nothing means that some spending cuts will be enacted. Since a majority of Congress seems to be incapable of agreeing on any plan to cut spending, how else is it going to happen?

After all, Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi all proclaim that we don’t have a spending problem in this country. What’s even more amazing is that they can say it with a straight face — and without their noses growing several inches longer.

That’s why I urge Republicans to call Obama’s bluff. Let sequestration begin on March 1. Ignore the dire threats and howls of outrage. Instead, let’s take the first small step toward living within our means.

That said, I have to agree with Charles Krauthammer, the popular FOX News commentator, who had this to say:

Of course, the sequester is terrible policy. The domestic cuts will be crude and the Pentagon cuts damaging. This is why the Republican House has twice passed bills offering more rationally allocated cuts. (They curb, for example, entitlement spending as well.)

Naturally, the Democratic Senate, which hasn’t passed a budget since before the iPad, has done nothing. Nor has the president — until his Tuesday plea.

Well, it wasn’t so much a plea as it was a threat. Of course, the powers that be will do everything they can to make the consequences of sequestration seem truly dreadful. We’ll hear horror story after horror story about vital services being slashed. Don’t believe a word of it, folks. That’s just how the game is played. Before you buy into all of the bullhockey about all of the horrors that will ensue, please consider a few facts.

We are talking about minuscule reductions in the Federal budget. The deal is supposed to reduce Federal spending by $1.2 trillion over the next 10 years. But thanks to the compromise Congress made last month to raise the debt ceiling, the actual cuts this year will be just $85 billion. And they may be even lower than that trivial amount. Given a Federal budget this year of $3.6 trillion, we’re talking about a measly 2.36 percent reduction.

Guess what? Even if every nickel of those cuts takes place, the Federal behemoth will still spend more money this year than it did last year. And please keep in mind that even with the $600 billion in tax increases Obama got last month, we will still need to borrow over $1 trillion this year so Uncle Sam can keep writing all of those checks.

The American Thinker reported:

While the nation’s growth rate has been stagnant, spending by governments at all levels has increased dramatically from $4.9 trillion in 2007 to $6.2 trillion in 2012, a jump of 26.5% which is driven entirely by the federal government as it has increased its spending by nearly 41% over this period. This has resulted in the total national debt rising from $9.2 trillion at the beginning of January 2008 to $16.45 trillion as of today. (a staggering 79% increase).

By the way, it isn’t just the “poor” who have reaped the benefits of all this increased spending, reports Gary D. Halbert. According to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, by 2011 (the last year for which numbers were available), the average total compensation for Federal government employees was $126,200. By comparison, the average total compensation for workers in the private sector was less than half that amount.

That’s right; while government employees on average were pulling in $126,200 a year, the average free-enterprise employee earned just $62,100.

And here’s another statistic I found even more shocking. From 2007 until 2011, the average net worth of all American households fell by nearly 40 percent. Look at that number again. It’s a four followed by a zero. There’s no decimal point in there.

Most of that horrendous decline was due to the devastating collapse in home prices. But the average household income is also down sharply, falling from $54,489 in 2007 to $50,054 in January 2012. We’re getting poorer fast, folks.

The bottom line is that the past four years of Obama’s Presidency have marked the worst period of economic growth for this country since the beginning of the Great Depression. Fewer of us are working (some 3 million fewer than when Obama took office). We’re earning less, saving less and worth less.

Faced with this record of economic disaster, the Democrats want to do more of what’s gotten us in this mess in the first place. They want to spend more, borrow more and tax more.

I’m in favor of doing anything that’s legal, moral and ethical to slow them down. As far as I can see, the sequestration, while far from ideal, qualifies on all three. So I say, bring it on.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://www.booksbyoliver.com OhioRiver

    You are most correct, Chip. Obama is the person who originally supported the sequestration. Now, we see another lie from him & the RINO’s will once again support him. Where is the outrage? Who will stand up & do something?

    A TIME TO STAND by Oliver is a book that’s a must read about decent Americans taking a stand against federal tyranny & end up starting the 2nd American Revolution. The sequel is even better THE DIARY. They are provocative so I recommend both to everyone nowadays.

    We are being scared by D.C. that 800,000 people are going to lose their jobs because of the sequestration, but that is not true. For those who do lose their job then I can only say that now they can start living in poverty as most of us are now living in for years.

    • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

      agreed! Share the wealth, share the pain.

    • rb

      And note that you can bet those 800,000 lost jobs #1 Will be lost to the economy crippled by tax and spend regardless and #2 not one of those jobs will be a government job. I find it odd that no one has mentioned the screeching halt in consumer spending we’ve seen since the working stiff got jacked for 2.5% tax increase January 1st. But those two things couldn’t possibly be related now could they.

      • APN

        Obama’s economic “House of Cards” will begin to fall around the 3rd quarter of this fiscal year. When ALL the new OBAMACARE taxes kick in in 2014, well, it’s not going to be pretty.

        I know numerous young folks that are very upset with the lower net pay now due to higher taxes, gas prices, electric bills, food prices, etc etc etc. All I’ve said to them is; I TOLD YOU SO but you didn’t believe the ole man. If you think that you are going to get something for nothing, well, shame on you and maybe you should vet your candidate a little better next time.

        The Dems will have a very difficult time staying in power after 2014.

        APN

      • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

        APN say ” If you think that you are going to get something for nothing, well, shame on you and maybe you should vet your candidate a little better next time.”

        FREE LUNCH? ~ Demanding people to pay for their Health Care is a FREE LUNCH?

        Maybe you should rethink your argument? You are not making any sense!

        You and I are being required to insure up ~ that is what you’re angry about! ~

        It was a FREE LUNCH, for some and Federally discounted pricing for others ~

        A level playing field clearly don’t set well with you it seems. oh well, ~ be penalized or insure up ~the cost is the same ~ I’m tired of carrying your dead weight with my county and federal tax dollars.

      • APN

        DIW said: DIW said: A level playing field clearly don’t set well with you it seems. oh well, ~ be penalized or insure up ~the cost is the same ~ I’m tired of carrying your dead weight with my county and federal tax dollars.

        Maybe you should rethink your reading skills, DIW.

        Where did I express or imply that I was looking for a FREE MEAL? Hell, I’ve paid enough taxes in my life to support 20 damn families! I’ve probably pay more in taxes in a year than you make!

        Now, my point was, since you missed it, was, these young very NAIVE Obamanites thought they were going to get something for nothing…..Get it??

        APN

        • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

          APN says, “Now, my point was, since you missed it, was, these young very NAIVE Obamanites thought they were going to get something for nothing…..Get it??”

          I guess not, ~ or you are a mind reader, ~ It’s clear,~ time to pony up or belong to the “state” with abridges rights and privileges.

          If you are a documented “do nothing” you become ward of the state. ~ do you see where this is going? ~ Do you? Really?

          It’s confusing I know for a narrow mind, but think about it for a week or two.

          Produce or support. ~ Just selling drugs and puzzy is not enough anymore.

          It’s one thing to have a insurer to deny you for whatever reason they wish to make up , and another to simply refuse to invest in health care because you are not required too.

          I have a monster of a computer whiz, ~ a young father that I depend on. ~ There is nothing too complicated for him and I pay him well. ~ 125.00 per hour for as long as it takes to make my “stuff” work!

          While ironing out some problems last week ~ he shared his concerns about having to fork out health care for his young family, a wife and two babies. ~ He said it was going to cost him 2500.00 to 3,000.00 dollars. ~ While today,he has no coverage at all.

          I’m healthy, my family is healthy he says, ~ we take care of ourselves ~ we do this , we do that. ~ we are bright, we are cleaver~ he says.

          i said , yea I understand ~ You never been sick or had a child’s life to hang in the balance between life or death. ~and until you have ~ this conversation is wasted ~

          In the the last three year ~ my family has had two incidents ~ a sister-in-law that came down with “swine flu” and a niece that contracted an Ecol i virus ~ they both almost died, spending 6 weeks in ICU. ~ the hospital bill alone over 250,000 dollars.

          Is your baby worth $250,000 dollars? ~~ hmm?

          I’m willing to guess that your baby is worth 10 times $250,000.00.

          The community helped my family with this bill, ~ and I will be forever grateful ~but let it not be said, ~ that as a family we did nothing to contribute to the health care system. If it not for me or mine ~ it’s for another family in great need,

          It’s called paying forward ~ and being a stand up person in the community.

          Life is not all about you! ~ it’s about us all. There will come a day ~ you will wish that you had.

      • APN

        You must be a mind-reader DIW. Your comments imply that I’m not capable of compassion for others or do not care about my fellow man. Helping someone help themselves is compassion and caring. We would do much better to teach a person to fish than provide them on a daily basis with “FREE” fish or “FREE STUFF”.

        Personal responsibility is a concept that WORKS for all of us. If you go to the store and buy a New Car, 52″ flat screen and Android phone, before you have paid for INSURANCE, well, that just isn’t being responsible, now is it? Foolish maybe and unfortunately WE GET TO PAY FOR IT!

        Again, my point is, we are on a very foolish path with our young folks that will be the greatest disaster to date. A generation of people who “Thinks” that they are “Entitled” to something that they did not EARN but they “THINK” that they will have the same FREEDOMS or LIBERTY going forward. Those who voted for Obama are going to get a very large dose of reality in the end.

        It’s called being a SLAVE to the state via “Progressive-Marxism”.

        APN

  • FreedomFighter

    “Sequestration” has become the new scare word, with the White House and its allies using language like “doomsday,” “deeply destructive,” “irresponsible” and “catastrophic.”

    President Barack Obama sounded the alarm over sequestration in his State of the Union speech. “These sudden, harsh, arbitrary cuts,” he declared, “… would certainly slow our recovery, and cost us hundreds of thousands of jobs.”

    Obama insisted on sequestration, democrates insisted, Repubs have submitted multiple bills to change it…the Obummer regimes has rejected them…

    bring it on, about time government employees felt the same pain as the rest of us. Maybe they will vote for the right guy next time.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • Warrior

    Imagine a CEO or owner of a company or even a “head of household” having to cut back on their spending than railing against themselves. This guy is sooo childish I’ll bet moochelle doesn’t even let him near the family checkbook. This fraud is such a tool. And yes, the tide is beginning to turn. 53% now think the gubmint is a danger to themselves. Duh, even Wink woke up.

  • ROG W

    HE IS RIGHT… IT IS OWEBOZO’S PROBLEM AND ALL EYES WILL POINT TO HIM WHEN IT HAPPENS… IT IS INEVITABLE FOR GOVERNMENT TO GET SPENDING UNDER CONTROL … OWEBOZO WILL INCREASE TAXES AT EVERY POSSIBLE TURN BECAUSE HE IS A COMMUNIST GUN GRABBING FOOL… OWEBOZO…

  • ROG W

    ALSO MRS. OWEBOZO IS A TOTAL HYPOCRITE — [offensive comment removed]

    • jim

      Man…that was uncalled for…it does however clarify your depth of intelligence.

  • Doc Sarvis

    President Obama has been pretty cool on the subject. Congress and the talking heads in the media (right and left) have been causing the most commotion.

    • APN

      Yep Doc, Obama has really been “Cool” on the subject. He suggested it and authored it and now he is against it……”COOOOOLLLLLL MAAAAANNN”

  • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

    Hmm? Sound like the GOP is threatening to shoot themselves in the foot if they don’t get their way!

    Ouch! That’s going to be painful for a lot of people. I am prepared to see it happen. ~

    My biggest concerns will be the American’s on foreign soil like Ambassador Chris Stevenson with less than adequate funding to protect, another Benghazi incident we do not need.

    • Steve E

      We had plenty of money to protect those in Benghazi, that was not the problem. the problem was that we didn’t have the leaders with enough guts to give the command to do it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

        Oh yea! You want to bet ? ~ I say 300 million dollars would buy a lot of security!

        “It also deserves resources. In each of the last two years, Congress has cut President Obama’s request for U.S. Foreign Service and U.S. Agency for International Development staffing levels despite repeated analysis by the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, indicating that our embassies are critically understaffed.
        But even more inexcusable are the repeated and deep cuts made to embassy security and construction. Thousands of our diplomatic personnel are serving overseas in facilities that do not come close to meeting the minimal requirements for security established by the so-called Inman commission’s report on overseas diplomatic security to President Ronald Reagan’s secretary of state more than two decades ago.
        Nor is it likely to change anytime soon. In the 2011 continuing resolution, Congress, at the insistence of the House of Representatives, slashed the president’s request for embassy security and construction and forced another cut in fiscal year 2012. Altogether Congress has eliminated $296 million from embassy security and construction in the last two years with additional cuts in other State Department security accounts.
        Sequestration required under the Budget Control Act of 2011 will take more than $100 million more out of the program in 2013 if the current Congress does not overcome the impasse over budget cuts and tax revenues by yearend. Those cuts are largely the result of the draconian and unrealistically low budget caps placed by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) on all discretionary spending, falling particularly hard on the State and Foreign Operations Appropriations Subcommittee with responsibility for embassy security.
        This is not the kind of treatment our dedicated government servants and men and women in uniform protecting them deserve.

        Read more? http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/budget/news/2012/09/18/38352/diplomats-national-security-and-the-house-budget/

      • APN

        Well said Steve, we had resources available and in close proximity(within 2 hours) and it was enough firepower to blow Benghazi off the planet. It has NOTHING to do with the lack of resources and Deer-in-Water has no clue what he is talking about.

        Obama was INFORMED by the Secretary of Defense immediately and He DID NOTHING about it. He never even called back to get a status update until it was over and four brave Americans were DEAD. ie. AWOL as CIC

        Then, what did he do, he denied it was a terrorist attack for weeks and the complicit liberal media sold it to masses.

        Shameful behavior for someone sworn to protect and defend we citizens of the USA.

        APN

    • Ron The Marine

      And you are concerned NOW about American Patriots safety on foreign soil after four American Patriots were murdered while YOUR SOB INFIDEL POTUS in the White house could not even be found?? Why don’t you go to the idiot CNN web site where you and your kind belong, this site is for AMERICAN PATRIOTS!!

      Semper Fi, even to the enemy among us!

      • nc

        RON, I SERVED IN THE SAME MARINE CORPS YOU DID! Your First Amendment Right is also my First Amendment Right! I would not object to your commenting on a liberal site! In fact, I would welcome it as a different point of view.

        One question! Where were bush and Reagan when the 20 plus Americans were killed in terrorist attacks on our embassys during THEIR WATCH> AS A MARINE YOU KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS ON YOUR WATCH!

        WITH THE BUSH AND REAGAN RECORDS IT SEEMS YOU WING NUTS ARE JUST TRYIN TO MAKE AN ISSUE OUT OF AN INCIDENT!
        DON’T FORGET REAGANS 241 DEAD SOLDIERS IN LEBANON?

        I, TOO, AM AN AMERICAN PATRIOT AND PROUDLY SERVED MY COUNTRY AND SPENT 35 YEARS DEFENDING MY OATH TO MY STATE AND THE U S CONSTITUTION! CONSERVATIVES DO NOT OWN THE FLAG!

      • Ron The Marine

        ns, you and your twit friends are really pathetic! My text was to sf*t for brains (bambi in water), not to you and your fellow left wing morons, who approve of killing the unborn!!! You and your left wing moron UNSCOTUS also came to wonderful decision back in the early 70,s that it is OK for a sperm sponge whore to kill her unwanted Baby THAT WAS CREATED IN GOD’S IMAGE! DR. Charles Stanley, Pastor of First Baptist Church Atlanta, GA, said prior to the infamous 2008 election, “If you build a grave yard big enough to bury all the USA’s aborted PRECIOUS GOD-GIVEN BABIES that godless women KILL, IT WOULD MEASURE 100 MILES WIDE AND 100 MILES LONG! He further said WITHOUT giving his muslim name “YOU ONLY NEED LOOK AT A PERSONS STANCE ON ABORTION TO KNOW WHOM GOD WOULD HAVE YOU VOTE FOR”! His famous statement “OBEY GOD AND LEAVE THE CONSEQUENCES TO HIM”! really sums it up! And for those who line up with the baby filling left and claim to be a marine? give me a break! you must have been dropped on your sh*t-for-brains head in the delivery room, so get in lock step with your furer! I HOPE ALL “YOU” BABY KILLER SUPPORTERS DIE FROM A GOOD CASE OF LEAD POISONING! TURN OR BURN YOU DUMBAS*!

        SEMPER FI!

      • S.C.Murf

        Ron the Marine, up the hill, airborne brother keep up the good fight Jesus of Nazareth has our backs.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • daleh

        This to NC for his comment to Ron the Marine— If you were a U.S. Marine as you claim, you know or should know that a Marine is NEVER referred to as a ” Soldier”—unless he is a “Seagoing Marine”, then that Marine can be called “Soldier of the Sea”–You referred to the Marines KIA in Lebanon as “241 Soldiers” –You should know better—-

        Semper Fi–

      • nc

        Ron, if you have a problem with Roe v.Wade IN YOUR RANT ON ABORTIONS you need to bitch at the Republicans. Ike and Nixon are the fathers of Roe v. Wade !!!!!! Not the Democrats.

        • tony newbill

          NC Nixon would have initiated the birth control measure due to the release of the National Security study NSSM200

  • Johnny D

    Yes, Obama the great brain of our lifetime according to the media, has put our nation in deep do do. Let the chips fall where they may so everyone can see what a jerk he is.

    • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

      Johnny , He didn’t do it ~ we did ! The 107th Congress did it, Dick Chaney and friends did it.

      Don’t believe everything opposition to the current administration says.

      They want back in power and will say anything that serves to that end. That is the way our system of government works ~ “worthy opposition”.

      It’s for each of us to determine what is truly “worthy” or just horse manure.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        What the *#@* are you talking about? Dick Cheney did what? I think you should change your handle to Deerinheadlights. It sounds more appropriate. What say you?

        • tony newbill

          This happening under a Liberal Mayor and Liberal President of the USA , Its CALLED OPPRESSIVE TACTICAL OPERATIONS Against the Citizens of the USA and its a Impeachable offense that BOTH THESE ELECTED OFFICIALS NOW QUALITY FOR in a way that cannot be covered up as a bias in politics !!!!!!!!

          http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/02/crushing-ny-gun-bill-would-force-gun-owners-to-buy-1-million-in-liability-insurance-2495770.html

        • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

          I was addressing Johnny statement CAB , ~ “Yes, Obama the great brain of our lifetime according to the media, has put our nation in deep do do. Let the chips fall where they may so everyone can see what a jerk he is.”

          If you can’t keep up with the conversation CAB and resort to flocking around with people’s handle ~ maybe you need a nap.

          It’s not Obama that has placed us in deep DODO ~ CAB ~

          Again, ~ if you can’t keep it ~ go take a nap! ~ Obama has gone thought not more loot then what W spent getting us into ! ~

          I will never ever allow you to forget ~ W Bush administration and that weasel Dick the Snake Chaney or the dead 900,000 Collation forces or the 7 Trillion dollar price tag on 12 years of protracted unfunded wars. I’m just not going to do it!

          Are you up to speed now CAB ?

          You want to talk about “deep dodo” ~ I’ll tell you about some deep dodo!

          Johnny, ~ it was the Right Wing Christian Collation now relabeled the Tea Party that supplying the wing under GWB administration via the SAME media that is now telling you today that it’s all OBAMA that got us in deep DODO.

          Wake up man! ~ The same media that told you that Mitt Romney was a shoe-in to win the 1st chair position. ~ The same media that has palm tree growing in Wisconsin. The same media that markets the best media for sports and new 24/ 7 with GOP tilted commentary delivered by some of the pretties women world wide.
          Foxed News channel is packaged with premium TV channels and sold at discounted prices. Which accounts for it popularity

          They don’t call it Foxed News for nothing. ~ FOXED News repeated whatever Karl Rowe or Dick Chaney tells them too. ~ Have you not figured that out yet? and Karl Rowe and Dick the Snake Chaney are serious liars.

          http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/10/face-of-the-monstrous-lie-of-911-is-dick-cheney/

          • tony newbill

            Heres a Thought …. why we cannot find solutions is we spend all our time blaming the other sides leaders instead of finding leaders who will fix the problems !!!!!!!!

      • APN

        I’ll buy that for a dollar!

        I think maybe Rand Paul is moving in the right direction. I’m pretty darn impressed with this individual and he gives me a tiny bit of hope for what may be the “New Leadership” upcoming in Washington.

        At least he is a calm, honest, extremely intelligent individual that understands the problem and seems to be focused on problem solving instead of finger pointing.

        It is a small hope anyway.

        APN

      • Bob666

        Yo Deer,
        “O’Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. “You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don’t matter,” he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: “We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due.” A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired”

        Dead-Eye Dick was and still is a snake and in amazes me how soon people forget this.

      • Don 2

        Deerunderwater,

        Are you off your medication again?

      • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

        Don , just address the thread ~ If you have something worth saying ~ just say it.

        It’s 6:20 pm ~ and I’m not wasting time with you. ~

      • Don 2

        What, were you blogging on O.T.? And you ‘still’ wasted time anyway? It was time for a chuckle, and you gave it to me. Thanks!

    • nc

      johnny d, what you wingnuts will not admit is that Obama was up to his lower lip in bush’s DODO WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE! The second worst recession in our history and getting worse by hundreds of thousand of jobs being lost each month BEFORE he took the oath! Then there was the small matter of two UNFUNDED wars going nowhere BEING FOUGHT ON MONEY BORROWED FROM CHINA! GOT ANY IDEA HOW MUCH THE GOVERNMENT PAYS JUST IN INTEREST ON THOSE TWO MISADVENTURES?? GOT ANY IDEA HOW MUCH THE MEDICAL BILL WILL BE FOR THE GOVERNEMENT FOR THE CARE OF 30,000 PLUS SERIOUSLY INJURED YOUNG HEROES FOR THE NEXT 50-60 YEARS?

      IT WILL BE MANY MANY YEARS BEFORE THE daddy’s boy bush DOO DOO QUITS STINKING! 24% APPROVAL IS NOT THE STUFF THAT LEDGENDS ARE MADE OF!

      • tony newbill

        NC the thing about a WingNut is that its a Universal Innovative piece of the Industrial Revolution that advanced the ability of man to Improve the quality of Life and Liberty , and Liberals don’t even stop to consider that effect on their Lives too While they spew their ideology across those who have yet to realize this matter of FACT !!!!

      • S.C.Murf

        nc I would call you a moron but because of your post I find you to be more off than on. How does it feel to not be a moron today? nc/off now that makes sense.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Actually, the great burst of the real estate bubble was a necessary correction to a false market created by the Democrats under Bill Clinton’s direction insane enforcement of the CRA. Look it up. I predicted this bubble and the popping in 1998. Who’s doo doo?

        • tony newbill

          CB we cannot leave Bush 43 out of this Housing Blame as well !! He was the Guy who said the Term Ownership society and DID NOT Force Regulatory action in the rating agencies to force Interest rate increases as the DEBT in the Credit markets was rising in Unsustainable rates with all the Undocumented Incomes that was the result of the Derivatives Deregulation that he could have pushed back against . Yes they talked about it but did not order the SEC to regulate something they could have done even through the democrats were at the time saying there was no Housing Credit threat .

          Watch this , Inside Job , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlIqHlJ9ZSw

      • APN

        CAB said: Bill Clinton’s direction insane enforcement of the CRA.

        That is correct and when you add B. Franks/Dodd…..BOOM!

        Had to happen, no way around it.

        APN

      • cawmun cents

        Bmlame Bush,racecard,point the finger of blame at others…..a Liberal has no other argument…..for years I have been saying this.
        Who knew some would come along and prove it daily?
        Cheers!-CC.

    • Johnny D

      Blame blame blame. I would prefer solution. Obamas solution pours salt into the wounds.There is a better way.

  • Jim B

    The Sequestration is a 2% cut out of every government budget bucket for which there are THOUSANDS of buckets! Not one bucket for each worthless government organization, but thousand in each organization. The Pentagon alone has THOUSANDS of budget buckets… are you kidding me! These are not cuts by the way, but a reduction in spending i.e. the government will spend much more in 2013 than they did in 2012. Sequestration is nothing, drop one conference a year in most of these budget buckets and done, that’s a joke… on us! We could go on for hours complaining about this, fueling the fire, but the reality is, and we should know this, it’s all just smoke and mirrors. When will we stop being so gullible, it’s embarrassing to know how stupid and naïve Americans really are.

    • APN

      Well said JIm, I agree completely!

      This entire subject of sequestration amounts to about 1/2 of 1% of the total budget over the next 10 years.

      I also agree that it is amazing as to how stupid Americans have become. It may be the THC factor.

      APN

  • S.C.Murf

    Why not take away anywhere from 10% up to 25% of ALL federal employees wages? They should share in the burden as all do. Not just the elderly and kids but the senators,congressman even the pres. Lets spread this around a little better than what they are talking about. We have a spending problem and need to get it under control. These people in washington are either not smart enough or are being told not to get it taken care of.

    up the hill
    airborne

  • http://www.dhamilton Haskell Dale Hamilton

    The only answer for this man is Impeachment.
    Maybe only the House will do it, but it is time.

  • http://www.dhamilton Haskell Dale Hamilton

    Until both the House & Senate are controlled by common sense people this hypocritical fiasco will continue.

  • Robert Skow

    The dumbycratsare idiots and obama needsto be fired now.

  • Peggy Files

    yes, i agree with impeaching this president–it is sad when in the situation room and knowing what was happening to those American Patriots in Bengazi, he went to a fundraiser. And why when The embassy in Bengazi was telling them that they did not have enough people to defend it, they did nothing. On friendlly soil, our officials have more protection then they had in Bengazi, and that was a far from friendly place for any American. He is directly responsible, and needs to be held accountable.

  • Peggy Files

    Instead of defense budget cuts, cut off ALL foreign aid.

    • http://www.booksbyoliver.com OhioRiver

      I concur, Peggy. Why would our government (Democrats & Republicans) starting cutting aid to it’s own citizens, but continue to send millions of dollars around the world to people who despise us?

      I mentioned the novel out ( A TIME TO STAND by Oliver ) cause it’s about Americans who are so upset that they do something about the corrupt, federal government. THE DIARY is even better. Both are inspiring to see that there are still a few among us to take action. I recommend it.

    • TML

      I concur as well. That would be the most logical and best start. It’s insane to borrow just to give it to other countries that do nothing but drah us into wars (and more spending) or turn their weapons on us after we train them.

      • http://www.booksbyoliver.com OhioRiver

        TML, yes, it’s only a start, but it would be symbolic enough to incite more ‘small cuts’ that will quickly bring a grand total of billions of dollars saved.

  • Don 2

    This is just another confirmation of the undeniable fact that under socialism, the rich get poorer, but the poor also get poorer.

  • Tarrel Callaway

    Another way to call Obama’s bluff is to point out that in the “Obama Care” bill is Senate amendment 3276, sec 2716 Part C dated March 21, 2010, which states ” According to that amendment, the government cannot collect “any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.” This means that the government CANNOT mandate firearm registration. No registration, no confiscation.

    According to that amendment, the government cannot collect “any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.” This means that the government CANNOT mandate firearm registration. No registration, no confiscation. Poor ol’ Joe Biden, he spent the last couple of weeks focusing on making a law requiring registration. Good thing is though, the amendment also states that not even an executive order can override the amendment.

    CNN is now referring to it as “a gift to the nation’s powerful gun lobby.”

    And according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), that’s exactly right. He says he personally added the provision in order to keep the NRA from getting involved in the legislative fight over Obamacare, which was so ubiquitous in 2010.

    • Danseur

      Unfortunately, the FBI is making the list anyway via the mandated background checks. And are blatantly refusing to let anyone audit them on that.

      I do have to wonder why no one has ever challenged “background checks” for exercising a Constitutionally guaranteed natural right for what they truly are: guilty until proven innocent.

      No where else in any Court in this country is guilty until proven innocent acceptable, but that is exactly what a background check is.

      — Danseur

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Good point.

  • Danseur

    Why are we still calling these “spending *cuts*” at all? these are not cuts!! these are lower *increases* in spending than the government wants. Make no mistake about it, these are *not* cuts at all; these are just smaller *increases*.

    — Danseur

    • tony newbill

      Yes you are right , and the KEY to getting a real recovery underway is JOB growth due to Supply-side production expansion , and instead OBama is doing a trade agreement behind congresses back that will allow him to make deals with Foreign nations that want to DUMP their Cheaper Products into the USA causing Further Decline in Jobs and wages as this forces us to have to compete on a Global wage scale !!!!! And this will create the accounting for a downgrade in US Credit ratings leading to bankruptcy of the USA . Thats the Plan make it look like it was just a ever slow and winding road of Capitalism Never has Never will work as we heard Obama say over and Over so Eloquently …. LOL LOL

      Obama skirting Congress in globalist plan?
      Pushing for fast-track authority on new Trans-Pacific agreement

      http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/obama-skirting-congress-in-globalist-plan/

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    I read the word “Entitlement”. Tell me: Where does it say in our Constitution that anyone is “entitled” to another mans wealth? Where in our Constitution does it say the government is entitled to take one man’s wealth and give it to another man to buy his vote and skim a lot of it first for themselves of course? Sure the Consitution was changed so the federal government can put it’s hand in our pockets, but does that change mean that the government can take money and give it where it wants?

    Call his bluff? Never happen. That is to imply that Obama and the socialist have the same goal as the rest of us. They want power gained by buying votes with the people’s money. The truth is we’re all willing to live a lie by accepting a counterfeit medium of exchange as our money, republicans, democrats, libertarians, tea partiers and so on. Turn off the printing presses and let our industrial genius put value to the worthless pieces of paper. When we used gold and silver as our medium of exchange the purchasing power of those coins increased, cost were cut, with knowledge in production methods.

    • FreedomFighter

      we used gold and silver as our medium of exchange

      getting as much as i can, mostly silver, couple of coins at a time, getting alot harder to get them guys to give up a few coins too.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

    • jopa

      Christian American;I wholeheartedly agree when you state” where in our Constitution does it state the government can take ones mans wealth and give it to another”.This is happening because the wealthy contribute a tiny amount of there income to politicians who in turn make the middle class pay higher rates giving the rich a huge tax break.It is the middle class with a higher percentage of their income income taxes going to fund government programs such as the military, poor and just every day operations.Huge tax breaks for the rich to buy a third vacation home is as silly as the corporate welfare in America.

      • Adolf Schmidt

        It’s not hard to figure where the majority of jobs come from, the wealthy! I don’t see a problem with a few tax breaks for those who are putting people to work! I don’t think it is right fore facebook to profit 1 billion dollar, pay no taxes and get almost half a billion dollar tax refund! I would rather see more people working and sharing the burden, than a good number unemployed and unable to pay taxes! Major tax reform is needed! The more people that are hired by the wealthy, the better the tax cut! The layoffs that came after the increase in taxes on the rich was offset by the increase in hiring in the government sector! The hiring of government employees helps the people getting a job, but adds to the strain on the economy! We need to make the large corporations want to hire in a bad economy, and your not going to do that by raising their taxes. I have been living on a very low income the past 7 years while trying to raise 3 children. I would rather have a good job provided by a wealthy man getting a tax break, than to be unemployed or underemployed and him paying higher taxes!

      • macgyver1948

        @Adolf Schmidt… You say “It’s not hard to figure where the majority of jobs come from, the wealthy! I don’t see a problem with a few tax breaks for those who are putting people to work!”.

        Of course you wouldn’t if you are of the very wealthy and/or didn’t see that is is also the very wealthy who cancel jobs just to cut their expenses with no regard for the workers and their families that they down size or lay off or BAIN (from what investments companies such as Bain Capital does when the buy our companies and sell them off and fire people just so the people at the top and their investors can get wealthier). It is easy to see only one side when that is all that is wanted to see.

        Wealthier people and big corporations get away with paying fewer taxes because they can afford to. Those who make most or all of their money on Capital Gains saves bundles on taxes and the wealthier we are the more we benefit for the Capital Gains tax system as the little bush knew when he lowered CGT.

        Is it fair and who shoulders most of the tax burden when those who can afford more pay less? I guess it depends on how hi up on the financial ladder we are and how greedy we want to be. Do any of us still think it was a magnanimous gesture on Romney’s part when he waved his salary while being head guy for the Olympics and as Governor? Can average wage earners who invest afford to do that? Bush little knew what he was doing when he lowered the Capital Gains tax.

      • APN

        Refreshing honest comments Adolf. I see it the same way. Nobody gains by taking money away from those who create jobs. It is a loose loose situation without exception.

        Fact is, I have never had a poor man offer me a job much less a good paying job and I sure as heck don’t need some politician speaking on my behalf.

        APN

    • macgyver1948

      Capitalist at Birth… It is so true that we will not find the word “entitlements” in the Constitution. Back then they didn’t think about it, they were more concerned with creating a free nation, one with liberties equal for all. As smart as the Founders were I bet they knew times and changing demands will cause the need for things they didn’t think about. They warned us often about the evils of the Big Corporations and big money and they knew the wealthy would be able to better protect their wealth than the UN-wealthy ever could. The Founders knew Big Corporations would influence government, those in Congress who are willing to sell their vote and allegiances in exchange for money and support.

      All Entitlements are doing is giving those in need a helping hand and a fair shake if they earned and are entitled to it. “Entitled”, as in Social Security because they worked all their lives paying into it. Unemployment compensation as in for those who were down sized and laid-off so the corporations, even the many who are doing well, can reduce their expenses. Medicare for those who are paying monthly premiums as they become eligible. We cannot claim we are a better country, more caring and concerned for our people, if we support only the wealthy in their “entitlements and welfare”. The TPGOP is doing just that for the Corporations and the very wealthy so there has to be some kind of defense and balance for the rest of us who have earned it and are not of the very wealthy.

      I am not talking about unearned or undeserved entitlements. If people do not qualify for Social Security, for example, they are turned down as they should be. If each who applies cannot prove they have worked long enough, payed the minimum required all those working years and they are of age they are refused. This is “earned and deserved entitlement”.

      • tony newbill

        Good Point MACGYVER1948 !!!!

        The word Entitlement should be called Bribery … of the American Peoples Vote because of a Failed Economic Policy that is suppose to enable the Individual to Freely prosper equally under the Laws of the US Constitution !!!!!
        Our Economy would support the communities if we were making our own stuff , but that would make the Politicians not able to control us all then like how these so called entitlements make us , DEPENDENT on a Politician for a Promise of either you favor me or you Lose the favor that I say you will get , IS THIS DEMOCRACY or is it Tyranny against the Americans right to their own nations economic value ???? http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/obama-skirting-congress-in-globalist-plan/

      • macgyver1948

        @tony newbill… I am not sure what you are saying “good point” to. Are you saying those who are entitled and earned should be neglected for their own good, so they wouldn’t be controlled by the politicians? If those in need and deserve are taken off the entitlement rolls they would starve and become homeless after retirement.

        We are in economic slumps because the politicians screwed us up but does that mean we should neglect those in need? We need to put the politicians on a more employee level with us since we own the government and they work for us. We need to fire those who put us in economic slumps, as well as other things they do not for our benefit, but we cannot put the deserving on the street to live even though many in Congress are pledged to do so by starving entitlement funds.

        The web site you suggest. It asks “Do You Hate Republicans?”. I do not hate Repubs, just those who are working exclusively for the benefit and protection of the very wealthy and the big corporations at our expense. Those who take loads of money and support from the big corporations, perhaps through lobbyists or other means as well, and those who sign conflict-of-interest pledges against us, as over 270 TPGOPers in Congress have. But then I would hate Dems who do that too but there are so few Dems doing that.

        Both sides have problems but there is a more obvious concern with one side than the other for those of us who aren’t very wealthy or a big corporation. I do not want handouts, just what I have earned and deserve when I need it. I believe most Libs feel the same but many on the Right seem to know better what Libs/Dems want.

        • tony newbill

          MACGYVER1948 you are right and this Makes your case about how the Corporations are able to take your earned and well deserved benefits . Plus this act against the prosperity of the American People ability to seek a healthy domestic Job market is evident in this videos explanation by Democracy NOW , http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CiIaPhvHa-w

          • macgyver1948

            tony newbill… Thanks for the video link… This is why history is so important. What this is is a “1%er power tool”, as it was stated in the video (the wealthy and the big corporations have way too much power over us as it is given to them by politicians above what they already have over us in the working environment). This is what many politicians do for the benefit of the big corporations and it would be wrong no matter what party sponsors it. They all screw us one way or another.

            That was for those who think I would support Obama no matter what he does. I didn’t like giving the military arrest powers of citizens without due process either but mostly what Obama does is for our benefit so he is the lessor of the evils. We need to know more about this trade agreement to really know what is going on and who is behind the sponsoring.

            In the past, when Nixon went to China and kissed Mao’s butt they agreed on secret arrangements which we are feeling today to our economic detriment but Nixon also betrayed Formosa/Taiwan. We screwed a nation friend, one who was headed toward Democracy, in favor of deals with a huge commie country. Then, after that, was NAFTA and alike which screws us all the time. The ones who benefit the most from moving American jobs out of our country are the Employers and the TPGOP is right there with them as it would cut corporate expenses.

  • Milton K. Beer

    Funny, not one mention about the price of fuel causing a vast majority of our economic problems for most of us low life’s.

    • John Mitchell

      The price of fuel is high because the democratic and green parties want it high. There are three things we could do to drastically reduce the price of energy.

      First quit diluting our gas with ethanol. According to several independent studies and government studies our cars are only 68% as efficient as they were with straight gasoline. We ended up burning 31% more gasoline, as well as some ethanol, to go the same distance. (We also subsidize the ethanol industry with more than $6 billion in taxpayer dollars.

      Second, let us use the hydrocarbons we have in this country. We should be drilling on all land including federal land. We should switch to natural gas for cars. We have enough natural gas in this country to be energy independent for centuries

      Finally, we should build nuclear power plants deep in our granite shields. All electricity could be produced with the cleanest and cheapest source of energy.

      But what has the price of fuel got to do with sequestration?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        The Secretary of Energy has said in the past he would like to see gasoline prices between $ 6 and $ 10 a gallon.

      • APN

        Yep! That is the GOAL of this administration. Has been from the very beginning. It is also a major part of the CC scam. We can all look forward to paying 8-10 bucks a gallon and 5-600 per month for “energy”. The elites have grown tired of we commoners using THEIR resources. ie; highways, friendly skies, beaches, mountains, etc.

        This is THEIR planet now, not We the Peoples. We can all look forward to sitting home wondering how the heck to pay the next GREEN ENERGY bill.

  • jopa

    The anti-Americans are showing their true colors this week by weakening our military and security for diplomats around the world.This is nothing new for the Retardicans with all the blood on their hand from 911 to two wars and wanting to start more.I know they are embarrassed to be called Republicans so it’s best we respect that and call them Retardicans.If you really thought about it this is a gift( the sequester) that keeps on giving for our President.The Prez looks good and wasn’t the bad guy and he gets the cuts we need and if there is no sequester he will still hold on to his very high approval rating.It’s a win win for him no matter which way it goes.He is a genius.

    • Bev

      Just like you troll.

    • Toy

      Beef up security for the embassies, by all means.
      Shut down all of those hundreds of military bases around the world.
      That will give you all the staff you need, with local knowledge, for the embassies.

    • APN

      Jopa said: The Prez looks good and wasn’t the bad guy and he gets the cuts we need and if there is no sequester he will still hold on to his very high approval rating.It’s a win win for him no matter which way it goes.He is a genius.

      Yep! He’s genius alright! He WINS with his “Cheeleading” and “Social Media” while the country goes to hell in a handbasket.

      Great post!

      APN

  • Bev

    Some of us are going to feel the pinch of sequestration. DOD has already cut many jobs and we haven’t had a pay raise in 3 years. With the SQ they’re basically laying off people for an entire month. That means my husband will make only 11 months of salary this year. He is not well paid, nor does he earn 6 figures. It always amazes me that congress never takes a cut in pay but they don’t mind dumping on the citizens.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      What do you think the rest of us have not already been pinched by the inflation caused by the overspending and borrowing? Somebody else needs to get pinched and I suggest it is anyone working for the Government that has been living high on the hog for over 60 years.

      • APN

        If we could just get the Federal workforce pay scale back in line with the private sector nobody would need to be laid off. This is what happens with a centralized form of government. It is to big and CANNOT be managed properly. Paying a Federal worker 46% more than the same job in the private sector is pretty arrogant if you ask me.

        • macgyver1948

          APN… You say “If we could just get the Federal workforce pay scale back in line with the private sector nobody would need to be laid off”. This is so doubtful it defies and eliminates reality per haw things really work. The Execs are the only ones who decide on when a job is created or filled when there are vacancies or eliminated and on what to pay it, living with needed livable minimum wages. No politician can do that and workers do not seem to have control on that either. It is up to the Execs and they go by how to keep as much money at the top as they can, do more with less as long as they don’t have to do the more themselves, keep expenses way down (payroll is the most controllable expense) and how to grow the bottom line – all to keep themselves and the top shareholders fat and happy. Oh, the bosses in the federal work force are the execs there.

          As long as you are not a top decision maker in any company you will have no control over your raises, promotions and layoffs. By the way, government is way to big and we need it to shrink but that has to be done wisely and with concern for “We The People”. As long as there are many in government who refuse to let go of some power and/or who work exclusively for the benefit and protection of the big corporations don’t look for any real concern for “We The People” happening any time soon.

      • APN

        Mac said: As long as you are not a top decision maker in any company you will have no control over your raises, promotions and layoffs.

        I disagree; in a free market you do have control over your pay as an individual. If you have skills and your current employer is not paying you the “market”, well, activate your resume and find a company that will pay you market wages.

        Your performance on the job has EVERYTHING to do with your pay, if not, find a company that does recognize your skills and performance. In addition, if you’re in a position and you actually think you don’t have a fair shot at life because you aren’t a “Top decision marker” well become a TOP DECISION MARKER.

        Personally I think your comments are an excuse for your lack of discipline which seams to be a GROWING trend in this country. No offense intended or implied.

        If you don’t have any skills to sale, well, shame on you, that is not a “Collective” problem. Is it however an individual problem created by decisions YOU made not decisions WE made.

        Collectivism has been tried all over the world throughout history. It never has worked and it never will work because those in POWER are only interested in THEIR self-interest, not a “Collective” interest. They are however interested in a “Collective Vote” to retain them in the seat “on high”. Therefore, they will tell you exactly what you want to hear.

        Proof in point, how did Obama get re-elected? Well, he is the great divider-in-chief, correct? It’s all about the GREEDY OLE “Rich” people however he never mentions all the LAZY dope smokers who do nothing but make illegitimate babies and spead every desease known to man, at OUR expense. Or those that are 4th and 5th generation welfare recipients that have never contributed anything to the “Collective” interest since birth. i .e.; Users not producers playing this dumb “Collective System”.

        Bottom line, as reality dictates, they may campaign, as Obama did, on this idea of “We are all in this together” ” Social Justice” “Economic Justice” Etc Etc Etc however that is nothing more than a sales pitch to get him re-elected to retain his POWER over YOU and ME and it is being done at the expense of future generations.

        People are going to find out this TRUTH in the very near future. His economic house of cards are closing in on him and there will be no place to hide and nobody else to blame, including GEORGE BUSH.

        APN

        • macgyver1948

          APN… You say “I disagree; in a free market you do have control over your pay as an individual. If you have skills and your current employer is not paying you the “market”, well, activate your resume and find a company that will pay you market wages”.

          Good luck with that. When you work for a company they decide not only if you get a raise, there could be wage freezes for one, and they decide what they want to increase you to. They might play a bit if they want to keep you but if you leave there is always someone to replace you; they wont care for long. If you do not like it you have the choice to leave and try to go to another company who will give you as much control as the one you want to leave. It is delusional to think you can go into the boss and say give me so much of a raise now but politely. Payroll is an expense and they need to keep those things down as much as they can.

          Your performance on the job is what gets them to want to keep you or not but they decide what you get. As for promotions. Those too are up to them. I have seen all too often when the harder working more proficient guy was passed over for someone they feel is good by not as proficient. They decide how close they want you to them and how much they want to give you control over others below you.

          Another thing. Negotiations for initial salary is based on how much they think they want you and if they want to pay as much as you are asking for. If not, good bye. If there are no negotiations, a set starting hourly wage for example, then you are just like everyone else in that classification of the job but either way, what you start with is what they generally want to keep you down with – as small raises as they can get away with throughout. And even with annual evals they decide what you get no matter how great your are. They even tell you this is a great raise at 4 or 5 percent.

          I know a very large corporation, and I bet they aren’t the only one, who has a policy that states “for all current employees who are transferring they cannot make more than 10% over what they made before the transfer. They even send send around email to all who have company email suggesting they go to their job site and see if you can qualify for a job which will improve your economic standing. In other words, if you as a worker who is making $8.60/hr and you apply for a job which starts out at $20/hr, per salary range stated by the recruiter, the most you can receive as a raise is $.86 and hour. Oh, they do not tell you about this until the hiring manager wants to make you an offer after all the interviews. I call this policy ‘the 10% screw the employee’ policy.

          This particular employer, about the biggest private employer, says they love and take care of their employees/associates publicly but when it comes to what really goes on inside it is a different world. There are other screw the employee policies at this company but they deny them until they have to apply them. The ’10% screw the employee’ policy I mentioned. Well, the recruiter suggests to an associate who is trying to transfer to go to the policy on transfer web page to see if they qualify for the jobs they try for before the interviews begin. When asked if all the transfer policies are there the recruiter says “YES”. Guess which policy is mysteriously not at all there but you do not know it is not there until you receive the job/transfer offer and you go back to look for it. Have you heard of “plausible deniablity”?

          Now I know many there who wouldn’t have received an offer for the transfer if their annual evals weren’t good enough but there you go, no employee control over salary. It is about keeping expenses down, pure and simple, and the employee/associate does not matter, except to the public maybe.

          What “free market” are you talking about? I only know the one in America and I have worked in home offices of vary large as well as small corporations. As an IT business analyst at that very large corporation I mentioned, my last job, I worked closely with the execs when it was called for. But you are entitled to disagree.

          I can’t let this go because you are typically assuming as the Right generally does. You say “Personally I think your comments are an excuse for your lack of discipline which seams to be a GROWING trend in this country. No offense intended or implied”. But it was stated as though it were implied. Before I was that IT Business Analyst, last job, but before that over a span of almost 40 years I was, after college, a programmer analyst, a systems analyst, the manager of systems and programmers at a fairly large university’s computer center, and a project manager. I had a nice career and I can’t complain so much for me. I watched and learned over the years what was going on and I knew complaining would only get me a lower annual evals and lower raises. An that would be even as I produced very well. I had to leave each company after several years, which was common in the IT field, if I wanted a decent raise and promotion which is how we might have some control.

          The employee needs some kind of effective representation which isn’t attached to the company, IE open door policies or Ombudsmen programs who owe their regular pay check to the company, for him/her to get a break if they stay with a company. You cannot have that in a Right To Work state because the government in that state will generally protect the employer or look the other way.

      • APN

        Mac you said :What “free market” are you talking about? I only know the one in America and I have worked in home offices of vary large as well as small corporations. As an IT business analyst at that very large corporation I mentioned, my last job, I worked closely with the execs when it was called for. But you are entitled to disagree.”

        I think I follow you Mac, no offense but it was a lot of material to read through. If you are an IT professional then you should clearly understand what I meant by the “Free Market” system.

        As I stated, if you have skills, and I/T is definitely a skillset, well, you should be able to get “market value” for your skillset. That statement does not imply that you can achieve a standard of living above the market just because you think it should. That’s how the government works and why the average postal worker, sorting mail, makes 88K per year which probably exceeds the average pay for an I/T professional in the private sector.

        The aforesaid is a PRIMARY factor in our 17 Trillion dollar national debt charged to future generations. People are being paid well beyond their skillset and for what? Some politician figured out a long time ago that is is easy to buy votes with other folks money. Same principle when Obama bailed out GM, at OUR expense.

        In other words, a corporation is only going to pay you as little as possible in a free market economy. Why? Because the sole purpose of a business is to make a profit, not to employ people or provide jobs. The only reason for those jobs is to provide a service to a PAYING client or a product to a paying customer. The beauty of this system is very simple, those who study hard and work hard typically get ahead in life until you get the Government involved.

        I made many changes in my carrier in I/T. I had a duty to my family to be a good provider. Given that, I always kept my options open and eyes on the primary GOAL of becoming self-employed, which I eventually achieved through hard work and discipline. I never asked for a raise in my professional carrier however I received many.

        I did however have an employer counter an offer + 10K one time in my carrier. My answer to them was, well, if I wasn’t worth that last week then how could I be worth that to you now? I resigned and moved on to the next hurtle in my life.

        True Free Market Capitalism is a beautiful thing until you get Washington involved then it becomes cronie-capitalism with a POTUS picking the winner/losers based upon political motivations. Again, this is the primary reason we find ourselves in this fiscal-nightmare and what we have done to the American System of doing business is criminal.

        Proof of that is what America achieved as a FREE PEOPLES as compared to the mire and the muck we find ourselves in now due to “progressive marxism”. A system where over-educated fools that have never worked in the private sector or made a payroll are making business decisions for those of us who HAVE done those things. We are qualified to do it, they aren’t.

        This is why Obama, our Commander-in-Community-Cheerleading doesn’t have a CLUE about the Free Market economy or what to do with it. The results of another four years of “Cheerleading the Masses” and making all the num-nuts “Feel-good” about themselves will be an economic disaster beyond description.

        I will stay with a free-market system any day over a government controlled progressive nightmare. How about you?

        APN

        • macgyver1948

          APN,,, Yeah, I do tend to write a lot at times. I am a wanna-be writer and I like to write. I was being sarcastic in a facetious way when I asked you what free market system you were talking about.

          I have the going rate for my skill sets and education (both at least are factors in hiring) but those too depend on the market and the size of the corporation and at times what kind of corporation. Yeah, kind of does factor into it. Banks pay less than many manufacturing and tech companies and Retail, well not their managerial and execs, pay really lousy. Although retail in upper management can pay relatively nicely and their execs can as well, that I know. Let’s remember jobs are created with the companies budget in mind for that job. As a manager and hiring manager I had to consider payroll budget or I would get nailed by my up-line. Your experiences and education do help but they are no guarantees.

          If I think I deserve a better pay than my marketability might suggest as an employee I need to start my own company and pay myself. I wonder sometime if government feels they have unlimited funding they can offer higher wages. We, the tax payers, the feeders of that so-called unlimited fund, may be dwindling in our offerings as pay shrinks further and unemployment doesn’t improve fast enough. Employers have a lot to do with that, more than anyone else. Government work is a different animal. The only government job I held was as a GI so I cannot speak from experience there but I hear and read about them.

          You say “Some politician figured out a long time ago that it is easy to buy votes with other folks money. Same principle when Obama bailed out GM, at OUR expense”. I think it is many politicians but that OPM thing, as you say “other folks money, is what comes from so many and many of those donations are from those who expect big returns on their investment. ROIs are a touchy thing. If an investor does not get the return they would like they tend to ignore that stock in the future. GM and the Auto industry was a needed friend. That is politics. Little bush gave graciously to the Oil execs and that was a pay back from our money.

          You go on to say “Why? Because the sole purpose of a business is to make a profit, not to employ people or provide jobs. The only reason for those jobs is to provide a service to a PAYING client or a product to a paying customer”. In a real sense I agree. If Execs could avoid the expense that is payroll they would avoid creating jobs. But to them jobs are only a thing that requires a tool to work it or the exec will have to work it themselves if they feel the need for that job. Execs really do not want to do most of the jobs they create. When I was at that huge retail company one of the things I had to do in early on training was work in the big box to get a feel for what the company does and how it directly relates to the customer. So many of us did not want to work in the store and it sucked but we had to. I was teased by an exec who also didn’t want to work in the store but he was glad he didn’t have to. Don’t tell anyone I told you that, he might get into trouble, LOL…

          You say “The beauty of this system is very simple, those who study hard and work hard typically get ahead in life until you get the Government involved”. I wondered why I went as far in school as I did and then worked hard, there is a lot to that. It is statistically clear that the college grad tends to make much more money than the high school grad in their life times with exceptions (look at that Harvard drop out Bill Gates) but these days a college grad may have to take a job as a file clerk with that pay grad. I read an article about that the other day which showed many college grads choosing between jobs like that or no job. That is so sad especially when so many large corporations are nicely in the black and the grad is stuck with a huge college loan, the money for which is their investment in reverse – pay back.

          You say you made many changes in your career too to provide for your family. We have to depend on our options, hopefully recognizing them, because we cannot depend on any employer for our future unless your employer is daddy and even that doesn’t always work. I know of a plastic injection molding company where dad owned the company and he so often referred to his college grad son as “my idiot son”. The kid eventually opened his own karate school so he went with an option that he did had. Also employers will do as their accountants and financial advisors tell them so jobs are insecure at best. For so may years that huge Retail company I worked for boasted they didn’t lay people off even in hard times. BUT, maybe it was 4 or so years ago they laid off over 1200 in just the home office, more in other places. Many of those who were laid off were there 15 or more years and doing well.

          In your paragraph where you say you were offered $10k to stay happens often enough, it did for me. We have to do what is best for us because if we do not who will? And if they feel they have us with more money like that they may take advantage later.

          “True Free Market” is beautiful until government gets involved but there are times when it needs to get involved. Like when the environment is being destroyed without the reg. Or, you may not agree, when wages were so low those listed as in poverty were doing better than the workers. Pay at the hourly levels must keep up with inflation or what would be the point to work if you can’t afford the gas to get to work? Also there are regs outlawing stealing form the company pension funds but with that most people might agree. We hired a guy to come in and lecture on just that. He spend several years in prison for helping higher execs with that. He wrote a book called (well, it is here some place but I cant find it now and the title might be a bit off) “Stealing without a gun”, that’s close enough. The point is we need regs but we shouldn’t over reg.

          In regard to your “Proof of that is what America achieved as a FREE PEOPLES…” paragraph… I always felt it would help if people did the time on a job before they make or enforce the rules. I saw this so often. Once I was pressured to hire a programmer manager who never really programmed before. He was someones son. That was a fight I was glad I fought and won and I saw I was right during the interview. But he did have 2 masters degrees. Woopie DOO. LOL… I do not really like the term “progressive marxism” because here it tends to link commie and those on the Left and as many Libs as I know I never met a commie in the bunch but I keep hearing about them from the Right.

          Obama knows more than he is given credit for from the Right. No one person can be all things in that job, not even Clinton, and hopefully he/she hires good advisors. How much did the actors or generals who became president know when their charisma and support got them elected? It would be nice if we could have a good free market system without government intervention, I’d love it, but there are way too many greedy takers in the corporate world and many of them own our politicians anyway. The Founders warned us about them but we haven’t yet learned.

          Ah, another long one, sorry…

      • APN

        Mac said: I read an article about that the other day which showed many college grads choosing between jobs like that or no job. That is so sad especially when so many large corporations are nicely in the black and the grad is stuck with a huge college loan, the money for which is their investment in reverse – pay back.

        You made some good points Mac. I don’t think we are in disagreement of any significance.
        I would suggest that your comments on the college grads is due to government intervention into the PRIVATE sector.

        Government needs to get our of the way so WE THE PEOPLE can unleash the power of FREEDOM to make our own decisions with our OWN money.

        As far as “progressive-marxism”, well, I will just have to disagree with you on that one. How does progressive-marxism differ from Statism or communism? Where in history has Marxism been fruitful for the PEOPLES and how does the concepts of Marxism work within the constructs of our Constitution? Hows does our B-O-R fit and our individual FREEDOMS to live life as we see fit? What is the next “progressive” step from the system of Marxism?

        Are you suggesting that we modify the first three key words of our constitution to

        “We the Government”?

        Surely not?

        APN

        • macgyver1948

          APN… You say “…Mac. I don’t think we are in disagreement of any significance”. There are many on the Right who can get along with many on the left even with the degree of difference. I see that would depend on a person lever of acceptance of the other persons right to have their own opinion even as it differs form theirs. I run into so many on the Right who cannot tolerate any feelings or opinions which differ from theirs and that is when things get sticky. Those who are that non tolerant types seem to forget what Liberty and Constitution really is about. You seem to be accepting and I hope if I seem otherwise I apologize now and probably will again since I do not ever mean to be.

          Then you include “As far as “progressive-marxism”, well, I will just have to disagree with you on that one. How does progressive-marxism differ from Statism or communism?” and “Where in history has Marxism been fruitful for the PEOPLES and how does the concepts of Marxism work within the constructs of our Constitution?”. I will never argue against what you say here concerning “Marxism”. Although they are on extreme different sides of the political aisle both Marxism and Fascism/Nazi, each others bitter enemies, are so anti God and anti people and I will always be an enemy to them. What I have a concern with is connecting Marxism with the Left or with Liberals. I have met so many Dems and even Liberals over the years and I never saw Marxism or Fascism/Nazi in any of them. I think the Right is poisoning their followers about the Left in this with how they extend their aggression for them by making up the connection in general and exaggerating by using those labels. It is all BS and that is where I have to disagree with the connection of “progressive-marxism”.

          I told you before I do not trust Tea because they evolved from the John Birch Society. The Koch Brothers father, Fred, was a founding member of the JBS and he heavily financed them. Well they were not only bigots, you can get that from researching them, but they fought against the Civil Rights movement in the 1960′s. They also referred to any who would not support them in their efforts to totally support the very wealthy and Big Corporations as Communists, even President Eisenhower. Fred taught his sons, known “affectionately” as the Koch Brothers, very well and that is why I do not trust Tea. The Koch brother “officially” ended their membership in JBS but they still have connections probably because they cannot disconnect their roots.

          Your last question here “Are you suggesting that we modify the first three key words of our constitution to“We the Government”?”. To that my answer will always be – NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a people country and not a government country, at least it should be that way, meaning the government is here to serve us, we own it and not the other way around. So “surely not”. I am also fighting against Plutocracy which is what I see groups such as the TP want. Tea owns so many of the GOP so there we are in how I feel about the falsely nick named GOP.

      • APN

        You made some good points Mac and I respect your opinion. I do not however agree with your comments about the TP and I think it is a healthy thing to shake up the status-quo in Washington.

        I would like see the two-party system abolished totally and start all over with a constitutional form of governance beginning at the LOCAL level. Washington is to BIG and to centralized and CANNOT be fixed in it’s current form. It is to large to MANAGE thus we have 17 TRILLION and counting in DEBT for future generations to deal with. That my friend is economic-terrorism through generational theft.

        APN

        • macgyver1948

          APN… This has been discussed before, even on this site. The Founders were leery of or fearful of a two party system. Ok, both big parties have their respective degrees of corruption and treasonous ways toward us but we have to have a party of some sort as an alternative, to replace them both. One who knows they work for us. One who needs to be more fearful of us, for their public jobs, than they are of the big money people or their party. Otherwise, without the fear from the right direction, us, we will continue to have the same BS we have now with our two party system. Nothing changes otherwise. I also suggest we go back to having a government of citizens, a real GOP, as the Founders wanted and not of self serving professionals, especially who have price tags on their backs, price blank until…, for the highest offering and demanding investor, who receive more benefits from us then we give ourselves.

          How do we make this happen? One suggestion is by taking back the government peacefully, it is still morally and legally ours for now, and incorporate certain Government Reforms, which go for both the elected as well as the appointed, and start from there. That is just a suggestion and my opinion but I know there are loads of people who agree. I know this, at the very least, because there were petitions going around in 2011 and last year through email with loads of names on them asking for The Congressional Reform Act of 2011/2012 to be demanded. Not enough people supported it so nothing is getting done. There was very good stuff in it and I even added some points of my own before passing it along.

          Yes I agree with you, beginning at the local levels and going all the way up the fed level. The Constitution is our and we have to protect it as well as fix what was broken in it by our so-called “representatives”. We need to make it a law that when they tarnish it without the permission of a majority of us they will go to a fed prison. They need to learn it is there to protect us from them and not the outher way around.

      • APN

        Well said Mac, no disagreement from me.

        APN

        • macgyver1948

          APN… It is so easy to see there are some on the Right and on the Left who will never agree and there are many others on both sides, different from this first pairing, who want the same things, such as what is best for the country. This last pairing is good and the Founders didn’t always agree with each other but they all wanted to make a great country for each of us. That is where we should focus and not disallow others who do not agree with us their views. Real Liberty is when we accept views we do not agree with as much as we want our own listened to. We don’t have to change our views and feelings by we have to allow for others or Liberty becomes meaningless with only “our views and beliefs in force”. All parties should.

  • Linda Turner

    A Republican Power Point presentation throws cold water on House Republicans’ attempts to call this ‘Obama’s Sequester.’ Boehner’s office developed it with the Republican Policy Committee and sent it out to the Capitol Hill GOP on July 31, 2011. Intended to explain the outline of the proposed debt deal, the presentation is titled, ‘Two Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable.’ It’s essentially an internal sales document from the old dealmaker Boehner to his unruly and often unreasonable Tea Party cohort. But it’s clear as day in the presentation that ‘sequestration’ was considered a cudgel to guarantee a reduction in federal spending — the conservatives’ necessary condition for not having America default on its obligations. The presentation lays out the deal in clear terms, describing the spending backstop as “automatic across-the-board cuts (‘sequestration’). Same mechanism used in 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.”

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Are you suggesting that the liberal Bob Woodward lied in his book? He contends that this was an idea created by Obama’s Chief of Staff, approved by Obama and taken to Harry Reid who introduced the bill? Or, are you deliberately attempting to lie?

      • APN

        Capitalist, That is my understanding of how all this went down. Now we have a Democrat Senator saying the same thing.

        It originated from Obama in the WH, no doubt. I’ve gone back and watched him speak about it on numerous occasions.

        Bottom line, I don’t have a problem with sequestration, I do however have a problem with Obama saying something totally different now and NOBODY in the liberal media is challenging him.

        This guy can say and do whatever he wants and gets away it. I think he will once again be successful in politicizing the event and then blaming it on the GOP. However, I do not think he will get the political capital he thinks he will get. I think this one may backfire on the Dems in 2014.

        In the mean time, while Washington is playing darecare politics, our country is going to HELL in a handbasket.

        WE ALL WILL LOSE IN THE END, unfortunately.

        I just don’t see any form of adult leadership coming out of Washington.

        Sad but true.

        APN

  • John Mitchell

    Why do we call them spending cuts. They are actually spending increases. The sequestration just calls for spending to increase less than Obama asked for it to. We call it a cut but it is only a reduction of increases. We are still increasing our spending.

    • http://n/a AmFer

      John Mitchell: Exactly – I think they look at it as the ‘lesser of two evils’. I look at it as you do but can you imagine what Boehner and Congress would do IF we really held them to “Cut Spending”……..they’d run and hide.

    • Ken

      Thank you for bringing out the rest of the story.

  • http://n/a AmFer

    I definitely buy into “Let’s Call Obama’s Bluff”…however, I don’t trust that Boehner and the weak-kneed, spineless RINOS will follow through. What do you think?

    • APN

      I hope is does happen and then it happens again, then again, then again, then again…………….

      APN

      • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

        APN say, “I hope is does happen and then it happens again, then again, then again, then again…………….”

        I say ~ if I was a dye in the wool democrat, I’d agree with you APN.

        The GOP will suffer the blunt of such a move.

        I know that most of you wish to believe otherwise ~

        I say do it! ~ and lets see what happens, ~ I don’t really care ~ if smaller government is what you want ~ That’s one way to do it. But be prepared to suffer sooner then later.

      • APN

        We are already suffering DIW. We can either face the music now or apocalypse later.

  • Flashy

    “First of all, there is nothing “sudden” about this so-called crisis. It’s been staring us in the face for the past 18 months. And it was the White House, not Republicans in Congress, who first came up with the idea.”

    LOL.. you can tell the panic by the extremists is running rampant as with each passing day they become more irrelevant in the national debate as the claims and revision of recent history becomes more drastic and far fetched.

    Mr. Wood, did you and Wayne ‘Romney in a landslide” Root crib each others notes? Did Mr. Root tout any odds about any of this being believable?

    The WH came up with the adopted sequester deal when the Republicans rejected a prior offer to combine spending cuts (including entitlements) and revenue increases into a sequester offer. Actually, the deal had been cut but the crazies in the House rejected it. Thus…while Pres. Obama came up with the final deal, it was the one the House deemed acceptable. I believe it was “98% of what they wanted” to quote the many Congressional TP members at the time. They touted it as a victory ! Now? Typical of the lunatic extremists, they blame everyone but themselves.

    The deal when adopted gave almost $700 billion in spending cuts. Enacted cuts. The pressure of today came about when the Super Committtee failed to cut a deal and the cuts then became automatic unless reversed. Unsurpisingly, the lunatic fringe of the House want to keep the cuts in place affecting the Middle Class, the lower incomes, jobs programs and the social net…and erase those cuts affecting the military, Big Corporate America, and Big Oil.

    As for you touting the economics declining under this administration and blaming the admin for “failed policies” ….. what you should have stated was the failure of Congress to move any legislation was the mjo0r issue in preventing any action helping the economy. And that failure was because the Party of No”, led by extremist right wing TPers, refused to offer up ANY solutions…none.

    So reality sinks in. The economic issues you tout as being the fault of President Obama? reality is…it is the fault of the wacko’s in the House calling themselves Tea Party representatives..

    ironic isnt it? The TPers claim that economic recovery will come about without government assistance. yet, when that fails because the reject any increased government activity beyond the minimal the Executive can do without them…it’s everyone’s fault but theirs. EVEN AS the results PROVE THEM WRONG.

    Enjoy the bleacher seats folks..for that’s where you are being sent. It’s time for the workers, the ones who desire this Nation return to greatness, to take th reins and fix what you broke.

    • tony newbill

      Flashman This crisis has been Staring us in the face since 1994-5

    • S.C.Murf

      flashless your first three sentences were bang on. What I can’t understand is why in Gods name did you continue and show all of us how much of a paid shill you are

      up the hill
      airborne

      • Flashy

        SC…when y’all say anyone is a “paid shill” on this site, and not referring to the more obvious extremist right wing TP paids…you show the effect of how the big Lie is used to entrap the unwary and ignorant. You believe i or anyone is a paid shill? LOL…hilarious.

        As to what i wrote and your inability to counter any of the reality of the situation…such speaks for itself doesn’t it.

      • tony newbill

        FLASHY this SPEAKS for ITSELF !!! Watch this at the 2:00 Frame forward and ask where the H@ll is this Gal NOW ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH5U-BPJor4

      • APN

        Flashy said: As to what i wrote and your inability to counter any of the reality of the situation…such speaks for itself doesn’t it.

        Flashy, the reality of the problem is spending more than we take in. The reality of the problem dates back to 1913. This is not a Carter, Regan, GB, Clinton, GBII or Obama problem, it is however, a progressive problem that infects BOTH parties in power.

        Only a fool would think that by borrowing and spending more money, of which we don’t have, would in some weird mathematical way reduce our total debt. Try telling that to your credit card provider or local bank and see what happens.

        This entire subject of sequestration is a JOKE. It equates to less that 1/2 of 1 % of the total budget. As we blindly spend ourselves into oblivion, literally DRUNK on spending, we are having a national debate of 1/2 of 1% in cuts OVER the next 10 YEARS!!! REALLY!!

        We are better than this folks!

        I personally don’t give a darn who owns sequestration but it needs to happen and then it needs to happen again and again and again until the budget is in balance so we can then do the MORAL thing of paying off our debt.

        Welcome to progressive-Marxism folks. Slavery to a centralized government through
        “Wealth Re-distribution” will not be a happy place to be.

        Misery, slavery, death and destruction will be the results of this foolish behavior.

        APN

  • robert jones

    bring it on !!!

  • Jim

    The real panic is on Mr. Obama’s side. His administration suggested the Sequestration so I am pretty sure it came from him. His only answer to anything is to raise taxes supposedly on “the rich” which is BS. The damage that is about to be done to the military is exactly what Mr. Obama has been hoping for but trying to avoid any responsibility for because it shows the same track record that we see from all democrats since Pres. Carter.

    • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

      Jim says;”His only answer to anything is to raise taxes supposedly on “the rich” which is BS”

      that’s not completely true Jim, ~ the administration has encouraged closing loopholes in our tax laws that now favor not just the wealthy but many Americans. While the current GOP seems to favor these loopholes.

      • APN

        So if that is a true statement, then please explain why this administration is cherry-picking winners and losers in a “free Market” economy. If he thinks that large corporations need to pay more then why is he giving his hand picked choices a free tax ride for the next several years?

        • tony newbill

          APN …. EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

        posters says, “why is he giving his hand picked choices a free tax ride for the next several years?”

        A narrow brush please ~ articulate, ~

      • APN

        It appears you don’t follow the news to closely or maybe you entertain yourself with a media outlet like NBC, CNN or some other Obama controlled network or perhaps you watch a Hollywood Documentary and then believe it.

        Do a little research on Google, Linkedin, facebook, etc. Just a hint for you.

        How about all the FAILED GREEN ENERGY deals like Solendra, etc?

        How about all the tax paid goodies to GM, etc… Nothing but a political pay off to the unions at our expense.

        The list is VERY lengthy!

        So once again, if Mr. POTUS is serious about large corporations paying more in taxes then why does he pick and choose which companies do or don’t and where in the constitution does it give him or the congress to make such exceptions?

        Educate me……………

        APN

        • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

          APN says,”Educate me……………
          APN

          I say, ~ educate yourself ~ your can start by quit depending on the standard right wing talking points ~ and start thinking for yourself. ~
          Quit regurgitating old talking points ~ directed at tiny flaws and failures ~ in an effort to derail a whole railroad.

          Weapon of mass destruction, 90,000 collation forces dead and 7 trillion dollars wasted, 12 years of armed conflict is size of folly and failure we have to compare.

          So what was you saying Buckwheat?

      • APN

        DIW said: Weapon of mass destruction, 90,000 collation forces dead and 7 trillion dollars wasted, 12 years of armed conflict is size of folly and failure we have to compare.

        So what was you saying Buckwheat?

        ____________________________________________________________________

        You seem to have a convenient memory, or better put , a liberal selective memory. Maybe you should go back and check what CONGRESS did after 911 or do you not understand the War Powers Act or the powers given to the POTUS through OUR constitution.

        Is this all you have in rebuttal? Kinda intellectually shallow, aren’t you?

        Back to you Fagopyrum esculentum.

        APN

        • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

          APN, ~You and people like you are the best thing that has happen for the DNC in 35 years. ~ By all means ~ please continue being you. ~ This ranker in defending your far right views with constant condescending , demonizing and bashing is a splendid example of the contemptible kind of government that you wish to represent and willing to install ~ if you only could.

          The “knee jerk” 107th GOP lead congress allow American principals to be compromised and we have not fully recovered since. ~War Power Act? WAR on WHO???? ~ TERROR?

          Terror is not a “who”, ~ Terror is only an emotion. You can’t declare a war on “feelings”

          Never in the history of mankind has such great military might been missuses and abused so, as by W Bush, Dick Chaney, Donald Rumsfeld and company.

          12 year later , we are still attempting to clean up the mess created by his administration. While much is left only to live with ~ there is no washing it clean. Nether W, Bush or Dick Chaney can leave the United States for fear of being arrested and tried for war crimes even today.

          Killing ants with a hammer only scatters ants ~ now they are everywhere. While America have been compromise in the process, our victories small , our cost huge!

          That today, ~ the GOP has a 12 year track record that it can not defend has left people like yourself in a awful mess. ~ You don’t really have a viable party affiliation that represents your views, leaving your to resort to your tried and true nasty old self to attempt to intimidate opposition with bullshlt and change the subject when asked a pointed question.

          We’ve read your mail APN, ~ we know what you are all about. ~ You are the New and improved version of the American Taliban, the Right Wing Christian Coalition , the Tea Party. You want the private sector to lead as you views are not well represented in the public sector. And for good reason, ~ you’re just sick and want to spread your sickness as far as you can. The worship of Gluttony and Greed.

          The evil that you offer us is much greater then the evils we presently live with today APN.

          12 years of Tax breaks that “creating jobs” has created a top 5% that are now so wealthy, America is no longer their concern, ~ they are now globalist and welcome anywhere. While Muslim citizens displaced by war in their own countries find America and western Europe the land of opportunity and bring their attitudes and customs with them.

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… :-)

      • APN

        DIW….and the answer to my question is:

        I said: It appears you don’t follow the news to closely or maybe you entertain yourself with a media outlet like NBC, CNN or some other Obama controlled network or perhaps you watch a Hollywood Documentary and then believe it.

        Do a little research on Google, Linkedin, facebook, etc. Just a hint for you.

        How about all the FAILED GREEN ENERGY deals like Solendra, etc?

        How about all the tax paid goodies to GM, etc… Nothing but a political pay off to the unions at our expense.

        The list is VERY lengthy!

        So once again, if Mr. POTUS is serious about large corporations paying more in taxes then why does he pick and choose which companies do or don’t and where in the constitution does it give him or the congress to make such exceptions?

        Educate me……………

        APN

        __________________________________________________________________

        Then you went off on your MILITANT LEFTWING NUTCASE Rant.

        Anything of substance you want to add, DIW?? Or do you have the mental capacity to understand the question I just asked you?

        Have you researched the tax breaks yet DIW or is it OK for the POTUS to pick and choose winners and losers in a FREE COUNTRY, not a want-a-be MARXIST country?

        Please don’t waste my very precious time with another left-wing nutcase marxist response.

        APN

        • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

          APN say; “DIW….and the answer to my question is:
          I said: It appears you don’t follow the news to closely or maybe you entertain yourself with a media outlet like NBC, CNN or some other Obama controlled network or perhaps you watch a Hollywood Documentary and then believe it.”

          I say; “APN, it seems you have a limited perception in regards to what is “NEWS” and hard data , much less where to find it. As you seem insistent to “headlining” 8 month old GOP talking points.

          What “APPEARS” to you APN, is only something that only you might attempt to explain or left too apologize for. ~ I might only begin to speculate how you gathers your disinformation ~ as if Palm trees might growing in Wisconsin or chicken might have teeth.

          I will confess APN, ~ all matters of ball sports gets maybe .04 % of my attention. ~ If you wish to challenge me on matters of sports, you will enjoy a serious advantage. ~ I’m a grown man, no time for team ball sports ~ I busy myself make money and muse myself with things that I find important, pleasurable and worthy my time, ~ and you have now used up all of the time I have for you. ~ this will be my final address directed personally to you.

          But I will share some trivia with you about me APN, since you seem curious ~ I don’t watch TV except to watch Movies on DVD~ but I do read a lot from a wide spectrum of media outlets from the East to the West coast, International outlets, including world Trade and Science Journals . I am a Engineering contractor, “How does it work, and How can I” are questions that have dominated most of my life. ~ It makes me money and I enjoy having money. I make my money the old fashion way, ~ With my hands using applied science in the service and to the benefit of others for which I am handsomely rewarded.
          No results, No excuse, No money

          America is so far behind Europe today , it’s embarrassing and it’s because of people much like yourself APN. ~ The refusal to accept change in an ever changing world. You have to be dragged while kicking and screaming all the way. This illusion that it does not cost anything to stay the same is a fallacy. ~ As it can cost us dearly.

          So what are you attempting to spit out ? ~ That If I don’t view Foxed News, then I can’t be as smart and abreast of current events as you seem to think that you are?

          That, ~ If I can’t be as misinformed as you are APN ~ then my view seriously flawed?

          Personally, ~ I think you are perfect APN ~ if I had to hand pick my opposition, you would be on my short list. You are a lazy thinker ~ and more than likely a lazy reader.

          Take that as a compliment if you wish.

          “When Fox isn’t inventing smears against Obama, it uncritically regurgitates corporate-funded lies about him. Consider a segment of Sean Hannity’s show from last week. He showed a TV commercial by Americans for Prosperity, a conservative group founded and funded by the Koch brothers, that attacks President Obama’s record on investing in renewable energy. Hannity and Frank Luntz praised its effectiveness, with Luntz saying, “It was fact-based, not assertions. You see the facts come up on the screen. There’s specific numbers.”

          The only problem is that the factual assertions are incorrect. The ad says that “80 percent of taxpayer dollars spent on green energy went to jobs in foreign countries.” But the article it cites as a source clearly states only that the money went to foreign firms. The bulk of American tax dollars spent on the subsidies, according to Politifact, went to American subsidiaries of the firms.

          The ad goes on to offer specific examples: “$1.2 billion to a solar company that’s building a plant in Mexico. Half a billion to a car company that moved American jobs to Finland. And $39 million to build traffic lights in China. President Obama wasted $16 billion on risky investments.” I won’t bore you with all the details of how each of these claims is untrue; each has been labeled false or mostly false by Politifact or Factcheck.org and you can go to Media Matters for the full rundown.

          Hannity routinely takes Republican misinformation as the gospel truth. To choose just one particularly embarrassing example, he let Herman Cain’s spokesman Mark Block declare, absurdly, that a woman named Karen Kraushaar who accused Cain of sexual harassment was the mother of a Politico reporter named Josh Kraushaar. Hannity did not challenge either the veracity of this claim nor question why this “fact” would cast doubt on Politico’s thoroughly reported revelation that Cain has been repeatedly accused of sexual harassment. In fact, Josh Kraushaar had left Politico for National Journal over a year before the story even ran, and he is not related to Karen Kraushaar. It would have been easy for Hannity to check on these facts and correct Block’s assertion, but he did not. Here is what Josh wrote about it the next day:

          Anybody with Internet access would, at the very least, been able to figure out that I haven’t worked for Politico since June 2010—and have been working at National Journal since then. I even Tweeted the fact that I wasn’t related to Karen Kraushaar earlier that evening before Hannity’s show to clear up any potential confusion.

          That didn’t stop Block. When I heard what Block had said on Hannity’s show, I immediately e-mailed him informing him of his mistake. I still haven’t heard back.

          This laziness, partisan hackery and lack of regard for basic accuracy is what separates Fox News from outlets that merely have opinions. And it is doing their audience a disservice. This Fairleigh Dickinson study is not the first to find that Fox News viewers are the most ill-informed of any news consumers. As of November 22, 2011, Think Progress had found seven studies showing Fox News’s viewers to be the worst informed of all news consumers. In a post about a report that had just come out in the International Journal of Press/Politics, by communication scholar Lauren Feldman of American University and colleagues which found that “Fox News viewing manifests a significant, negative association with global warming acceptance,”

          Care to read more ~ you are probably exhausted at this point and your attention wanes but if you find the engery ` go for it.

          http://www.thenation.com/blog/167999/its-official-watching-fox-makes-you-stupider#

      • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Darwan Winkler

        APN say ,”How about all the FAILED GREEN ENERGY deals like Solendra, etc?

        How about all the tax paid goodies to GM, etc… Nothing but a political pay off to the unions at our expense.

        The list is VERY lengthy!”

        I say, ~ you are calling Two GOP talking points is lengthy?

        what about this; ( probably too much for you to read)

        The U.S. Department of Energy has chosen Argonne National Laboratory, in suburban Lemont, to become America’s capital for battery technology.

        The announcement, to be made Friday, will include building a research facility to coordinate the clout and brainpower of five Department of Energy national laboratories, five universities and four private companies that independently have been working to advance battery technology.
        Funded with $120 million from the DOE and a $35 million commitment from Gov. Pat Quinn, the Joint Center for Energy Storage Research is expected to develop lighter, cheaper batteries for everything from smartphones to electric vehicles that store more power and charge faster.

        Chicago would be the fourth so-called Energy Innovation Hub that the DOE has established since 2010. The concept is modeled after research and development programs that spurred breakthroughs in the past, such as the Manhattan Project, which produced the first atomic bomb.

        Other hubs have been devoted to modeling and simulating nuclear reactors, developing fuels from sunlight, and improving energy efficiency in buildings.

        Like the space race of the 1960s, the U.S. is battling other nations to be at the forefront of a rapidly growing $42 billion worldwide market for rechargeable batteries that’s growing 8.6 percent per year. That number comes from research and consulting firm Frost & Sullivan, which predicts the industry’s growth rate and revenues to double by 2018.

        A breakthrough in battery technology would have major implications for the auto, wind and solar industries. In particular, the wind and solar industries are looking for affordable batteries to store intermittent power so they can provide power even when the wind isn’t blowing or the sun isn’t shining.

        Batteries that store electricity from the electrical grid are also in demand in countries where outages are frequent or in the case of natural disasters that black out cities for days.

        “We’re going to be the center of the universe when it comes to charging batteries and storing energy,” Quinn told the Tribune in an interview Thursday.”

        “Twitter List: Reporters and Editors
        The federal government plans to sell leases for wind farms off the coasts of Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Virginia, the first time it has sold competitive leases for wind energy on the outer continental shelf, officials said Friday. The leases for the two areas, which total more than 430 square miles, will be sold next year, the Interior Department and its Bureau of Ocean Energy Management said. One area for lease is about 10 miles off Rhode Island’s shore, and the other is about 27 miles off the southern part of Virginia. Officials said each area could be developed to generate enough electricity to power 700,000 homes”

        “LED Lighting Manufacturers Are Part of Reshoring Efforts
        August 23rd, 2012 | Author: Beth Goodbaum
        As U.S. manufacturers strive to bring back “Made in America,” reshoring efforts have emerged as a solution to grow jobs in the country. Some LED lighting manufacturers are among the businesses that are reshoring jobs, with company CEOs citing operating cost control and quality control as reasons for the moves. Yet while several companies move forward with reshoring initiatives and consequently create domestic jobs, others may not be so quick in giving up the tax holidays and business development and support they receive in offshore countries.

        A recent supply-chain management study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology reveals that a growing number of manufacturers are bringing their operations back to the United States — an initiative reflected in the LED lighting industry. Other reports note that manufacturers are reexamining their operations and relocating facilities and workers back to the U.S. to improve customer responsiveness.

        http://www.manufacturing.gov/welcome.html

        “Today, four federal agencies announced $40 million in grants to university researchers across the country to advance the National Robotics Initiative, unveiled by President Obama at Carnegie Mellon University on June 24, 2011.

        The initiative, led by the National Science Foundation, is also supported by NASA, the National Institutes of Health, and the United States Department of Agriculture. These agencies have also issued a new joint solicitation to fund an additional 25-40 awards.”

        “President Obama Signs Executive Order Promoting Industrial Energy Efficiency

        WASHINGTON, DC – Today, President Obama signed an Executive Order to facilitate investments in industrial energy efficiency that will strengthen American manufacturing and help create jobs. These efforts to boost industrial energy efficiency, including combined heat and power systems, can save manufacturers as much as $100 billion in energy costs over the next decade, improving their bottom lines and strengthening U.S. manufacturing competitiveness. These types of efficiency measures will reduce energy consumption and reduce harmful emissions.

        “Today, we are taking another step to strengthen American manufacturing by boosting energy efficiency for businesses across the nation,” said President Obama. “This action will cut costs, increase efficiency, and help our businesses create strong, middle class jobs. We’ll continue to do everything we can to put more people back to work and build an economy that lasts.”

        ” WASHINGTON, DC – Following through on our We Can’t Wait efforts, the Obama Administration today announced the launch of a new public-private institute for manufacturing innovation in Youngstown, Ohio as part of its ongoing efforts to help revitalize American manufacturing and encourage companies to invest in the United States. This new partnership, the National Additive Manufacturing Innovation Institute (NAMII), was selected through a competitive process, led by the Department of Defense, to award an initial $30 million in federal funding, matched by $40 million from the winning consortium, which includes manufacturing firms, universities, community colleges, and non-profit organizations from the Ohio-Pennsylvania-West Virginia ‘Tech Belt.’

        In order to create an economy built to last, America needs to make more things the rest of the world wants to buy. After losing millions of good manufacturing jobs in the years before and during the deep recession, the economy has added over 530,000 manufacturing jobs since February 2010 —the strongest growth for any 30 month period since 1989.Companies are also increasingly choosing to invest in the U.S. and bring jobs back. While there’s more work to be done, steps like today’s announcement build on this momentum.”

        APN , lengthy? ~ I could do this ALL~ night long!

    • Capitalist at Birth

      What damage to the military? How much is the cut? I have heard the total number of $ 85 Billion being thrown around. So, if half is to cut from defense, that would be $ 42.5 B. How much damage could such a small amount do? This all a bunch of hype. It is actually not a cut at all. Get a grip.

      • macgyver1948

        Capitalist at Birth… What the Dems are trying to do is do away with the huge wasted spending in the Military, there is loads of that, and improve efficiency. This is something, the stop the excess spending thing, the Right should be in favor of. So why isn’t the Right in favor of that?

      • APN

        I agree totally Capitalist. In fact, I think the Military part of it is less than the domestic part.
        I think it will be more like 60/40 domestic/military or around 34-35 Billion in Military cuts.

        I am a right-wing conservative and support our military 100% however I see the debt bomb as the greatest enemy we Americans currently have.

        I see it as Financial Terrorism on future generations. We need to get passed the FEAR FACTOR that is being spewed by both parties in power and get serious about solving this debt problem or nothing else will really matter.

        APN

  • Ken

    If were going to have fun, lets also use, “911′ and “terrorists” that were so popular during the Bush years. I just love the panic words, it gets the herd moving the right way.

    • vietnamvet1971

      You are right, NO more Terrorist around now that president Whats His Name has them on the RUN.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Your point is?

  • FreedomFighter

    its the The Death Throes of the United States
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fpEwul07ps&feature=player_embedded

    Obummer just wants more of your wealth, to give to the undeserving.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • tony newbill

      Watch this Bill rise up as the thing moves through committee , The Obama Civilian Army is about to begin !!!! As unemployment increases in the Youth and College students will this legislation become more relevant in Congress to curb violence and will this include a Gun Control provision for Youth to NOT own a Gun until they have accomplished this duty ?

      http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr748#overview

    • macgyver1948

      FreedomFighter… Do you really think you are qualified and capable of saying what Obama really means and wants? Would you like it if people who do not agree with you redefine your wants and meanings? The Right does this so often and it gets laughable so often. LOL…

      • APN

        Well Mac, what part of FF’s statements aren’t true?

        I mean this is what Obama ran on and I quote, “I think we should spread the wealth around”.

        Now, that is exactly what he is doing with one exception: He is actually spreading the POVERTY around, to ALL OF US.

        APN

        • macgyver1948

          APN… So many of you on the Right demonize Obama. Ok you can make up and exaggerate all you like. I say the Tea Party is not on anyone’s side but their own and the very wealthy and the corporations. I say over 270 TP owned GOP in Congress are working their paid for fingers to the bone to do only what is best for the corporations…. We both have our say and we both have the right to say it. I believe what I say at least as much as you with your Obama demoralizing. One difference is so often the “proof” the Right comes up with turns out to be exaggerated or made up or Photo Shopped or so totally edited. Oh, and lets not for the not with the whole truth so the truth gets distorted with left out pieces. That is a difference I see. All to often Obama’s words are misquoted so the rare occurrences when he says something that is off a bit you guys jump on that too. Believe what you want but I believe you are not fighting for what is best for you unless you are very wealthy & greedy and a big corporation.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            well said!

      • APN

        Mac said: One difference is so often the “proof” the Right comes up with turns out to be exaggerated or made up or Photo Shopped or so totally edited.

        I’m confused Mac? Just what in my aforesaid statement was made up? Did Obama make that statement about spreading the wealth around or not?

        I could also very easily substitute the word “Politician” or “Progressive” in your comments about those who are GREEDY so and so.

        This is exactly what the progressives want, they want WE AMERICANS to spend our time arguing over the PEANUTS or BREAD CRUMBS that fall at our feet from the steps of “Government”.

        By the way, I’m an independent and vote accordingly. I vote for people who reflect MY OPINION of things which is a VERY SIMPLE concept. Work hard, mind your OWN business and affairs and get your OWN house in order before you try to FORCE someone else to get THEIR house in order.

        APN

        • macgyver1948

          APN… I was speaking in generalities, things the Right assuringly with authority presents. There are many of you who aren’t in authority who come up with truth at times but when some of your side use quotes and sites and photos which prove to be phony I get concerned. I wasn’t singling you out.

          When Obama used the words “spreading the wealth around” I do not think he meant to do a Robin Hood routine but for them to pay a fair share. The wealthier we are the more we can afford to pay less and the balance of the burden has to come from some place and that is usually the non affluent. And there are loads of “Greedy” on both sides to go around.

          You say “This is exactly what the progressives want, they want WE AMERICANS to spend our time arguing over the PEANUTS or BREAD CRUMBS that fall at our feet from the steps of “Government”.

          It is NOT only the progressives or the Left who may want this. The Right stirs things up all the time to generate argument between the sides and that might be just so we do not notice so much what they are really doing behind the scenes. The Right has to convince its followers that they are in there for them when it is really to oblige the big money. How else will anyone continue to follow and support them? Politics in general, on all sides, is like this but I see more distraction from the Right than the Left. It is how I see it and you have your way.

          You last paragraph includes “By the way, I’m an independent and vote accordingly. I vote for people who reflect MY OPINION of things…”. It should be that way for all of us and not just blind loyalty to any one party. The Founders warned us about the potential of a two party system, see what I wrote to Bob666 before on that if you can find it. With me I look fairly deeply into every platform/issue I can get to, see if I agree with it, see who is really behind it. For example same thing with organizations and when I looked into the Tea Party a few years ago the top of them and their history going back to the JBS scares me. There have been times I agree with something a Repub says. I registered with e Dems to get their literature and to have a connection but I do not agree with all they say either. I am in touch, email and telephone, with both my state’s senators, one Dem one GOP, and I like the banter I get into with them when they feel like responding and much of the time they themselves write back.

          Once in a back and forth email with my GOP senator he told me “I guess you and I will not agree on many things”. I told him he was right about that but I didn’t include “…not as long as you are so totally controlled/owned by conflict-of-interest pledges and the TP” but I wanted to. Some day maybe I will.

          I have to agree before I will follow on any issue so I commend you when you say “By the way, I’m an independent and vote accordingly. I vote for people who reflect MY OPINION of things…” and you do not ever have to agree with me.

      • APN

        You made some good points Mac, and I respect your opinion but you and I will part ways on your comments about the TP. The TP is EXACTLY what this country needs along as it is not co-oped into the good ole “Girls Club” in Washington.

        I’ve followed Obama very carefully and he is a Marxist, without a doubt. He also ignores our constitution as if the executive branch IS THE GOVERNMENT.

        My opinion of course.

        APN

        • macgyver1948

          APN… The only thing that is a fact is that it is your opinion Obama is a Marxist. I do not see it and he says what he is and until it can be proven other wise I will take his word for it. I have done extensive reading into the background of the starters of Tea, and their family, and I will never agree that the supporters of only big corporations and super bigots are what this country needs. This is how I fell from what I have read and what I have seen with their connection going back to the 50s here in America. There are things about the Koch family in Germany before the end of WW2 which shows they were big in the Nazi party. So you do your own research on them and make up your own mind but please first know the real agendas and mind-sets of those on the top of the group or organization you choose to join and/or defend before you align yourself with your support.

          Well, I see we can both respect each others opinion even if we do not agree. That is a good thing. There are many here on this site, and else where, who will not tolerate any differences in opinion form theirs. That is not respecting the real meaning of Liberty. Many of them also tell others who have the audacity to not agree with them what those who disagree with them really mean and how they really believe. I get this form many who are of Tea-like thinking and that too is disrespecting free speech and equal liberty. Where do you suppose that comes from?

          APN, I really would defend your right to disagree with me and stand up with your for it. Where do you suppose that comes from?

        • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Darwan Winkler

          APN says . “You made some good points Mac, and I respect your opinion but you and I will part ways on your comments about the TP. The TP is EXACTLY what this country needs along as it is not co-oped into the good ole “Girls Club” in Washington.
          I’ve followed Obama very carefully and he is a Marxist, without a doubt. He also ignores our constitution as if the executive branch IS THE GOVERNMENT.
          My opinion of course.
          APN

          I say; I’m not aware of any Girls Club in Washington. ~ I tend to disagree with anyone that might think there were ~ I would also disagree with anyone that would use gender in a derogatory fashion is some sexist manner in an effort to address the serious nature of today issue on a National Forum and suggest that his voice might actually matter.

          What America needs, is intelligent people that can voice their ideas in a meaningful and sincere manner without resorting to sexist remarks and character assassination purely for the pleasure and amusement of “one-up-man-ship” or “I got you last”.

          The Tea Party is attempting to install God in Government, finding that it’s not enough to have practicing Christians to hold office. ~ The Tea Party wants to vet politicians to determine if they are Christian enough to hold office.

          And how might this to be doing? ~ Well, I suppose perspective office holders applying for the job of representing their constitutes would first need the Tea Parties “Seal of Approval” ~ It is the Tea Party that wishes to play “Gate Keeper” ~ to control and to dominate government. ~ With this selective power amass and installed in Government ~ they can then craft the laws to rule all the infidels, those Americans that do not share their Christian views in parcel or sum.

          The infidels can be single out and identified, they can be subrogated and penalized for failing to comply.

          Sounds a lot like the Taliban does it? ~ ~ If allowed to gain that much power ~ they could mandate all American males over the age of 14 to wear white Pat Boone shoes and display no facial hair. All women over the age of 14 could be required to wear Doris Day sun dresses, play the piano and sing.

          We don’t need no American Taliban in government ~ we have endured dark times in our 240 years with the system of government we stated out with and made it this far, ~ there no need for this radical element in our government.

          We have got a black president today only because the last GOP white president flocked the pooch and what the GOP hasn’t figured it out yet, that Americans are still really pi$$ed about it and not about to vote for another GOP puppet for president, regardless of his color!

          The GOP could fix all of this very quickly ~ by offering the American people an intelligent, noble man of any color, worthy the title and position. Allow the candidate selection to produce the best man for the position without GOP and Corporate meddling, interference with heavy funded trash talking.

          Enough of the American people are sick of the GOP today, ~ without major change, the position of dog catcher is an ambitious pursuit.

        • Bob666

          Yo APN,
          If Obama is a marxist-then the Tea Party is fashist?.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… You may be closer than you think… Any group, especially since the John Birch Society, who so automatically calls people who do not agree with them Commies without any reality or proof may just well be Fascists/Nazis,,, Commies and Fascists/Nazis have always been bitter enemies.

          • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Darwan Winkler

            macgyver1948 says, “Commies and Fascists/Nazis have always been bitter enemies.”

            LOL! I call that an obviously brilliant observation.

            There are just certain things ~ that can’t be separated. Like dogs and flees, like horses and to smell of horse manure, like a beach and sand, or love and joy, or red beans and corn bread.

            Or like when people tell you, “Don’t not worry about the money, ~ that’s your first clue to start worrying about the money.

            Good work! macgyver1948

          • macgyver1948

            Darwan Winkler… Your last paragraph is concerning what people should not be thinking about with money as though they know your personal economics and as they want to divert your attention from what they do not want you to consider (funny, as in when people who want you to not consider history for that same kind of reason). Or when applying for a job and they respond to you with “is money the most important thing to you?” when they do not want to pay decently, LOL… Once, in an interview, the interviewer did not like my obvious response to his question. Needless to say that was the last time either of us heard from the other, LOL…

            There are many things that go obviously hand in hand, my obvious statement, concerning Commies and Fascists/Nazis, was for real but stated for the fun of it as well as to make a point. Its like when I say Fascists/Nazis are extreme Right politically and Commies are extreme Left with Americanism deeply in the middle. It’s to make a point and sometime to get a raise out of those who choose to prove history wrong because it reflects badly on their chosen political position, at least in their own minds.

            By the way, my response to that “Is money the most important thing to you?” question. Well, I told the guy “if the salary is enough to take care of your needs and offers you, at least, a potential decent future then it is not the most important thing but if it doesn’t pay enough for your needs money becomes most important”. I think of that when I hear Righties say minimum wage should not be a concern for the employer, he should be able to offer as little as he wants for the jobs he offers.

      • APN

        Darwan said: I’m not aware of any Girls Club in Washington. ~ I tend to disagree with anyone that might think there were ~ I would also disagree with anyone that would use gender in a derogatory fashion is some sexist manner in an effort to address the serious nature of today issue on a National Forum and suggest that his voice might actually matter.

        _________________________________________________________________

        You appear to be an emotional person? I would think using the term “good ole Girls Club” instead of the typical “Good ole Boys Club” would be an inclusive statement, correct? Or does logic and reasoning elude your emotional mindset?

        Who appointed YOU to monitor this national forum AND SUGGEST that MY VOICE matters or not? Are you familiar with the 1st amendment?

        ___________________________________________________________________

        “What America needs, is intelligent people that can voice their ideas in a meaningful and sincere manner without resorting to sexist remarks and character assassination purely for the pleasure and amusement of “one-up-man-ship” or “I got you last”.”

        Once again, you seem to be a very sensitive person. Are you suggesting that YOU are intelligent and we aren’t? Again, what sexist remarks? You seem to have a severe reading comprehension issue and someone who requires a stoke of the ego on a daily basis.

        ___________________________________________________________________

        “The Tea Party is attempting to install God in Government, finding that it’s not enough to have practicing Christians to hold office. ~ The Tea Party wants to vet politicians to determine if they are Christian enough to hold office.”

        That’s news to me however if that is what the TP want’s, well, once again, their 1st amendment rights give them that option, correct? Or have we installed a NEW FORM of government that I’m not aware of?

        ___________________________________________________________________

        “And how might this to be doing? ~ Well, I suppose perspective office holders applying for the job of representing their constitutes would first need the Tea Parties “Seal of Approval” ~ It is the Tea Party that wishes to play “Gate Keeper” ~ to control and to dominate government. ~ With this selective power amass and installed in Government ~ they can then craft the laws to rule all the infidels, those Americans that do not share their Christian views in parcel or sum.”

        ….given the aforesaid, lets change the Tea Party in your comments with the “DNC”. Now, what is the difference? In fact, what you just stated seems to be very factual as to what is going on in our country, RIGHT NOW!

        ____________________________________________________________________

        “The infidels can be single out and identified, they can be subrogated and penalized for failing to comply.”

        Once again, your comments seem to fit exactly what is going on in our country right now. Let’s substitute the word “RICH PEOPLE” for the word “Infidels” in your comments or better yet, let me rewrite your comments using YOUR mindset:

        “The RICH PEOPLE can be singled out and identified, they can be PUNISHED and penalized for failing to pay their Fair Share”.

        Again, what is the difference?

        __________________________________________________________________

        “Sounds a lot like the Taliban does it? ~ ~ If allowed to gain that much power ~ they could mandate all American males over the age of 14 to wear white Pat Boone shoes and display no facial hair. All women over the age of 14 could be required to wear Doris Day sun dresses, play the piano and sing.”

        Once again, substitute “Progressive” with your comments and explain the difference?

        Let me do it for you: ” Sounds a lot like the Taliban does it? If allowed to gain much power~ they could MANDATE all Americans participate in OBAMACARE and pay for abortions regardless if it violates their Christian beliefs, or require them to pay Union dues without any individual say so, or insist that Global Warming is a FACT without any concrete evidence to prove it BUT require payment regardless of that FACT etc etc etc etc

        …and the list would be VERY lengthy………..

        __________________________________________________________________

        “We don’t need no American Taliban in government ~ we have endured dark times in our 240 years with the system of government we stated out with and made it this far, ~ there no need for this radical element in our government.”

        I agree with you, we should get the radical progressive agenda out of our government and just MAYBE we can stop spending future generations into ECONOMIC SLAVERY!

        __________________________________________________________________

        “We have got a black president today only because the last GOP white president flocked the pooch and what the GOP hasn’t figured it out yet, that Americans are still really pi$$ed about it and not about to vote for another GOP puppet for president, regardless of his color!”

        Now that is a RACIST statement if I have ever seen one! Your lack of honesty is starting to catch up with you in your OWN words.

        Speak for yourself and you must be very well connected or immensely intelligent to be able to SPEAK in these generalities for All AMERICANS. Now who is the Taliban??

        __________________________________________________________________

        “The GOP could fix all of this very quickly ~ by offering the American people an intelligent, noble man of any color, worthy the title and position. Allow the candidate selection to produce the best man for the position without GOP and Corporate meddling, interference with heavy funded trash talking.”

        Good luck with that one!
        ___________________________________________________________________
        “Enough of the American people are sick of the GOP today, ~ without major change, the position of dog catcher is an ambitious pursuit.”

        I will remind you of those comments in 2014 and then we can see if you are as omniscient as you assert your opinion to be.

        APN

        • macgyver1948

          APN… who are you going to remind of these comments? It sounds like these comments were made by different people. I think you are assuming too much of what these commenters are meaning but there is too much there to go into detail.

          The Tea Party at the top wants to control and own the government and that is why they have purchased so many GOP in Congress. They currently own the House and they want the Senate and the White House. For what other reason would they make the purchases and for what other reasons would they push and enforce so hard the MAFIA like pledges such as the Norquist Pledge? If you do not know or understand the Norquist Pledge I suggest you research it and, most importantly, what Norquist says about it and his signers, there are over 270 GOPers in Congress who have signed his totally binding and no way out pledge and Norquist said if they violate their oath their futures “will be toast”. Sounds binding to me. For example, during this last campaign, Norquist stated we should not be so concerned with Romney because “Romney will do as he is told” and I believe he was referring to “when” Romney is elected president.

          By the way, Norquist was one of the little bush advisors. HE has so much of his own money and clout those he owns in Congress know they better comply or else. Norquist said he wants to shrink the fed budget and tax rates to that of the beginning of the 20th century. Can you imagine how our country now could survive ion a budget and tax base that small. So many needed programs, such as Social Security and Medicare would starve out of existence and that he wants. What would that size budget (he said he wanted a budget so small it would “fit into a bath tub”) do to maintain our current economic needs? He wants regulations on corporations gone no matter if they are needed or not.

          So you are entitled to defend your Tea Party if you want but you should know what and all you are defending. Do some of your own research and not only what the TP would want you to do. Do not avoid history that they would not want you to know. There are loads of reasons they would not want you to know all the truth. See who is really behind the TP and what their backgrounds are and maybe you too will see what their real agendas are. Well, maybe but you might like what you see of them but as an American who loves Liberty and Freedom equally for all that would scare me.

          Please do remind me of those comments in 2014 and again in 2016 after that election.

  • Vet

    If the liar in chief say its bad, then it is good ! Besides he is the one that wanted it, so live with it scumbag liar !!!

    • vietnamvet1971

      president Whats His Name is really DULL and SILLY!

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        his names are:

        Barack Hussein Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro a.k.a. Barrack Obama a.k.a. Barrack Dunham a.k.a. Barry Dunham a.k.a. Barry Soebarkah a.k.a. Barak Mounir Ubayd a.k.a. HARRISON J. BOUNEL

        On Websites he is called:

        Barry the Deceiver; Barrack 0’Chameleon; the Kenyan FRAD, the Kenyan jungle bunny, Irish White-Negro, Muslim-Communist, Fake, O’Homoblamer, the Liar-in-chief, the Thug-in-Chief, “O’Homobama, Ayatollah Obama, the Satan’s CEO, “leader” from hell; chairman Mao Bama; 0baMao; O’blama, O’Vomit, O’bumer, obozo the clown in the White House; mr. ovomit; Barry O’Liar; barry the welfare queen; mongroid, halfrican, FBHO

        • macgyver1948

          Alondra.. Whne you tlak about those web sites you are so Right. LOL….

  • ToughGuy1

    Sequestration Obama.

  • outraged

    (CNSNews.com) – Conservative pundit Charles Krauthammer says President Obama could easily reduce the fear and panic engendered by the looming sequester if he would simply push Congress to pass a bill allowing a transfer of funds from less important federal accounts to more important federal accounts.

    “And the president is the one who ought to propose it,” Krauthammer told Fox News on Wednesday. “He won’t, of course, because he is looking for a fight, and not a solution.”

    • APN

      Krauthammer hit the nail right on the head, as he usually does.

      Obama wants a fight for sure and he is winning the argument even though it was his idea to begin with. This notion of sequestration was hatched in Obama campaign mode prior to the 2012 election. He had to do whatever was necessary to continue to fool the masses into believing that he was getting serious about the debt problem.

      This guy has no intention of reining in the debt and will spend us into oblivion. Six TRILLION in new debt and counting! We currently spend $50,000 per second in Washington and about 50 cents of those dollars are BORROWED and charged on the backs of future generations. i.e.; generational theft

      This is how progressive Marxism works folks, get use to the idea.

      Given he is the great divider-in-chief, as usual, he will succeed once again through the current MOB mentality that infects America and will continue to SPEND money we do not have to spend.

      If I were the GOP, I would call his bluff and let the chips fall where they may. He authored sequestration and I would make him OWN it.

      Besides, this entire concept of “Cutting” is a joke. Sequestration is a DROP IN THE BUCKET and just slows the rate of growth over the next 10 years. This will not result in the end of the world.

      Is this the best we can do my fellow Americans? Cuts that equate to one half of one percent of the total budget when we are just shy of 17 TRILLION in debt???? That is 10 to the 12th power times 17.

      All you young folks who voted for this man, well, you better wake up and get your mind sober and start thinking about who we be REQUIRED to pay the tab. If you think the RICH will, well, maybe you should go back to Middle School and take a refresher course in basic math. The numbers just don’t add up and it will require everyone to be a SLAVE to Washington in the end.

      APN

  • vietnamvet1971

    president Whats His Name, paints a Scary Gloom & Doom picture and that my friends is mental abuse it hurts and scares me every time I see & hear him saying it. You would think a man of his Intelligence could do better, he sure needs to learn a few new Tricks. But for his Loyal Followers they hangs on every word he utters (they have time as he Pauses & Stutters) like a Fifth grader.

  • JUKEBOX

    Considering all of the scare tactics Obama has been making in the speeches of the past few days, I believe we should start calling him “SCARECROW”.

    • APN

      I like it! It fits very nicely!

      APN

  • Lila

    I am all for calling the bluff. I pray & hope that those fighting for our country in Congress will stand up to the president. He is the one to blame for the conditions of our country, yes he is not alone but he is the one with power at this time to make changes to better our country. Instead he plays the game of my way or else! What kind of leader is that?

    • Hey You

      Yes, Obama is to blame. As are most of those USA politicians who came before him and, assuming a continuation of the USA, those to follow.

      Seems that for the sake of the citizens and taxpayers, it will be better to let this conglomeration (of different states and regional societies) melt away leaving reasonable size political entities. A wagon with a repaired wheel never gets up to speed of the wagon with undamaged wheels. – - And there are a lot of wheels in the central USA government which can’t ever be repaired.

      • tony newbill

        We must demand a Leader rise up who outlaws the Lobbyist Money Influence , Lobby cartel needs to not be a Conduit for Any Business that gets contracts from Government . a Border Fence needs to be constructed between Our Elected Officials and the revolving door that these cartel members go through that fixes legislation that favors the top of economic players .

        These players need to be made to compete for market share not be given a share of the market for a campaign donation from the contracts . This cronyism will not stop until someone out laws the venue in which this exists and it will take Leadership that can set this into motion not fearing the loss of Cash it will create to their campaign .

        This guy is worth a shot , Rand Paul Giving $600,000 In Unused Funds Back To Treasury , http://www.rttnews.com/2062012/rand-paul-giving-600000-in-unused-funds-back-to-treasury.aspx?type=glpn&SimRec=1

      • APN

        I agree Tony and I think Rand Paul is the real deal.

        APN

    • Shirley

      You sound like a “troll.:”

  • Fedup

    Flashy, you need to drink some more kool-aid and cool off!

  • FreedomFighter

    I’m in favor of doing anything that’s legal, moral and ethical to slow them down.

    Dont let them take your gun rights, it will slow them down allot.

    Ex-Secret Service Agent Gives Powerful ‘Gun Control’ Speech
    http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2013/02/ex-ss-agent-gives-powerful-gun-control-speech-please-share-this-viral-video-if-you-agree-with-him-2463530.html

    This is a must see, the Forward/socialist communist takeover is a full spectrum take over of Amerikka, everything is interconnected and has a purpose. Its all been done in other countries like Russia, China and North Korea as quick examples. Its happening with the Aussis now and is progressing here in America, we still have gun rights they dont and are now being deprived of the ability to grow food, own land and be self sufficent.

    Push back now in a peacefull and highly political way, or kneel to your owners, you will be a slave.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

  • James

    Blah…blah….blah….we keep getting the same old line from the GOP when DEM’s are in control of the White House (even though there is truth in the facts about out of control over-spending of the Federal Government), then, when the GOP’s in the White House, we keep getting the some old line of how evil the President is as he lied about why we went to Iraq or Afghanistan.

    The truth is, we are being polarized by the Major News agencies and by both democrats and republican parties! This polarization is done to insure a division is maintained between the masses. For if the people were to ever come together behind a common goal, a common purpose or even a common candidate for President…then end of the ‘Two Party’ system would be OVER!!! If we think about it, we may realized just how much and how long Americans have been played as the suckers….while these unscrupulous Nimrods keep finding ways to make sure the self-destruction agenda continues! …..and make no mistake, America is head-long running towards a financial apocalypses!

    So, what is one to do about this?

    Vote for the RIGHT PERSON…not party! Forget all about the parties the candidates are from, and take them from their actions..their deeds…what they have said, not what they are now saying! We can do this if we just take off the ‘Rose-Colored Glasses’ we have been wearing! Take a hard look at Americas financial condition and you will know…..we MUST do something NOW!!!!!

    WAKE THE PUCK UP AMERICA…BEFORE IT IS TO LATE….IT MAY ALREADY BE!!!

    • APN

      Probably too late but I agree with you.

      APN

    • macgyver1948

      James… You say “The truth is, we are being polarized by the Major News agencies and by both democrats and republican parties!”.

      You are so right because the truth is… IT SELLS news. Take, for example, when something is said in the news and it later requires a retraction. The initial news was in the opinion of that news agency as a news seller but the retractions are generally placed back some place in small print. Why waste good news space or air time on a non seller? The news agencies do not care if they contradict themselves, just so they sell.

      It is hard to know who is the “RIGHT PERSON”, as you say, because these guys have to go along with who is sponsoring them and where the big money comes from that pays considerably for their campaigns. Although the background of the candidate and what he is now saying is important we also need to know the real agendas of the party. And we shouldn’t so often listen to what the opposition party is saying, we know they can lie, about their opponent but we should research everything that the candidate does and what he has done in the past. It is not easy but we go by which guy is is seeming to be offering us personally more than the other guy.

      For example, myself not being wealthy and approaching retirement soon I would not vote for the party who shows it is mainly for the very wealthy and the big corporations, as I did all the years while I was working, but we each have to decide who is doing its thing for us more than the other guy/side.

      What would you have us do “NOW?

      By the way, that last president, “he lied about why we went to Iraq or Afghanistan”, as you include. That is how he got us there and the huge debt is still mounting. How many Americans lost their lives because of his lies? We cannot say “it is the past and we should forget about it” because we are still living it and it it can happen again in the future if we forget. It should be stressed in all history classes on this subject at all levels. I say that because kids should always know it for when they grow up and get to vote. History is there for good lessons and reasons.

      • Old Henry

        They pay for more than their campaigns.

        Ever notice how they all leave office multi-millionaires? Look at the two hillbillies. They didn’t have two nickels to rub together when they moved into yet more government housing to continue living on welfare and when they left they were worth millions. And they are worth even more today.

        Same holds true for the commie foreign national Kenyan and his pal Mooch.

  • Old Henry

    “The bottom line is that the past four years of Obama’s Presidency have marked the worst period of economic growth for this country since the beginning of the Great Depression.”

    Now, that is a racist statement. Boy, from Bob to John to Chip we sure are getting an awful lot of racism.

    Oh, there are no cuts. There is only a miniscule cut in the growth of spending. The same was / is true of the so-called “Ryan Budget”. Cut 1.6 trillion over ten years?! We should cut two – three trillion in ten DAYS. ELIMINATE 85% of the federal guvmint – yesterday. And 50% of the military.

    • macgyver1948

      Old Henery…
      http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/is-this-really-the-worst-economic-recovery-since-the-depression/

      “Is this really the worst period of growth since the great depression”…
      We should read this article and pay attention to the bar graph. It shows corporate profits are up compared to some earlier periods of recession since the great depression while paychecks are down in this period. “Where’s the jobs?”.

      The graph also shows experts are downnnnn in this period while imports are upppp. I wonder if many of those imports are from US manufacturers.

      Who has control of all this, the Government of the Execs? And who in Government is supporting those who are really in control?

      http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/is-this-really-the-worst-economic-recovery-since-the-depression/

      I am not sure those were racist statements but I have a feeling much of the hate for Obama is because of his color as well as Obama’s not signing those help-only-the-corporations/wealthy pledges.

    • TomyrisHandsCyrusHisHead

      Is it a racist statement because Obama is half Black or is it a racist statement because Obama is half White???????? Some people just got to use that politically correct crowbar or prybar no matter what and fictitiously and artificially create and maniacally, unnecessarily and forcefully pry open another wide gaping wound of insatiable politically correct convenient “racism” and use that 12 pound sledge hammer and forcefully hammer in that absolutely foaming at the mouth rabidly required amount of mandatory politically correct cheap fake immitation Rich Corinthian Leather “racism” in any conversation. “Racism, don’t leave home without it!” “Got racism?” Welcome to Racist In The Box drive-thru! May I take your politically correct racist order? What color of politically correct racism from our very extensive politically correct racist menu would you like today sir? Yes sir, you are very wise to order the politically correct Chocolate Shake instead of the politically incorrect Vanilla Shake! Yes sir, we do have an Oreo Cookie Shake, but that might complicate your politically correct racist order! Would you like any racist fries with that order? Please pull up to the next racist window to receive your politically correct racist order. Thank you for visiting Racist In The Box drive-thru! Enjoy your politically correct racist order! Some people just have politically correct racism on the brain just like a malignant cancerous brain tumor growth that is permanently attached to a vital part of their brain that controls, stunts and distorts what should have been regular normal thought processes in their brains, but instead, just like Chicken Little, those maniacal crazed politically correct racist people rabidly insatiably rant and rave into a hysterical frenzy and cry out and shout racism!!!, Racism!!!!, RACISM!!!!! “Politically correct racism, it’s what’s for dinner!!!!!!!!”

  • Doc

    Convenient how every time a Democrat is in office, the right wing somehow starts to worry about the federal debt / deficit. Obama’s taken control of the deficit much more than Dubya and the federal debt is nothing to worry about- if it was, wouldn’t the interest on bonds be sky high? For a bunch of people who whine about free market free market every time something they don’t like happens, wouldn’t you trust the market’s natural assessment that the Federal debt is nothing to worry about over Rush and crew? Give me a break. This conservative crap doesn’t get any more truthful just because the internet parrots it back again and again and calls liberals bad names.

    • Dave Bishop

      I would be much more impressed with your “liberals” if they had a planned budget. On the other hand, I would even be happy to admit the Big O might know what he was doing if he didn’t dearly love the “largesse” of the Chinese (who in reality are looking to get a pay-back –WITH INTEREST– at sometime in the future). Even more novel is the idea that he make his budget known. But, like all wanna-be dictators, he would rather rule by executive order and constant trips around the country, campaigning for or against even his own ideas –like sequestration. It is apparent that honesty and integrity have no meaning –or translation– in the Democrat lexicon. I agree that there is much to worry about, financially and militarily, and the ability for this nation to bounce back from the disastrous programs on which this nation’s life depends.

      • http://www.sqlfeatures.com/ Prakash

        cmon, you should be impressed that O took america out of depression, stop both wars….and not putting back america in depression like GOP do every time they get command…then they just forget that spending is a problem (2008 Bush left 11tn debt + 1.4tn deficit every year for next 10 years, not like clinton who left 5tn debt + 500 bn surplus for next 10 years)…..now you know where this debt coming from….O did not created 1.4 tn deficit every month it was handoverd to him…..and question should be why in the world rather than fixing economy (which means adding more spending and tax cuts) he should focus on reducing deficit which was generated by bush…..

        The day repubs come up with exactly what cuts they suggest can be cut without hurting economy and much saving those cuts will make O will implement some of them but blame will go to repubs…..so you see in sequester GOP still have no idea what to cut…..they just like to keep talking without any substance

    • APN

      Well Doc, just how is it that Obama has taken control of the deficit? Just how is is that 6 TRILLION in addition debt since he took office is less than Dubya, whatever the heck that means? Just when did 10 to the 12th power times 17 in debt which equates to about 54K per person in the US not become a problem?

      Obama said he would cut the deficit in half, what happened to that idea?

      Obviously you have no idea what your talking about and you certainly don’t understand the CRUSHING effects of our debt. You will however in the near future.

      Bottom line, what is going on in Washington equates to economic terrorism on future generations. Is is effect, legalized theft or generational theft.

      APN

      • http://www.facebook.com/prakash.heda Prakash Heda

        Ok here are the numbers…

        In January 2001 when Bush Jr. took reins from Clinton. US debt stood at approx. $5 trillion. Annual surplus was $500 billion. Ten year projected surplus – $5 Trillion. According to the projections, the US would have paid off all its obligations by the end of the last decade.

        In January 2009, after 8 years of Republican rule (6 of which Republicans controlled all two arms – all of congress and the White House). US debt stood at approx. $10 trillion. Annual projected deficit $1.4 trillion. Ten year projected deficit – more than $10 Trillion. According to the projections, the US would remain in debt, indefinitely.

        The truth is simply this. The Republicans created a structural crises with their ill-informed tax cuts and health care market re-engineering of the early 2000. Added to that was two Wars of choice. Iraq War should never have been waged. Afghan invasion was not necessary after Taliban was removed. And even if the Wars were justified, there were simply left off balance sheet, using the same accounting gimmicks often employed by Republicans (see Christ Christi of New Jersey).

        So, given the perfect storm of the structural deficit created by Republicans and the massive near-depression left by deregulations engineered by same Republicans, here we are.

        • Bob666

          Yo Prakash,
          That was stated about as factual as I have ever seen.

        • macgyver1948

          Prakash Heda… Why is this forgotten by the Right? Maybe because they do not want us to remember so they can make Obama and the Dems the evil ones… We should forget about little bush so we can blame Obama. Good for you Prakash for the reminders.

      • APN

        Nice try Heda……So, given the perfect storm of the structural deficit created by Republicans and the massive near-depression left by deregulations engineered by same Republicans, here we are.
        _____________________________________________________________________

        Bottom line, Bush gave us 4 Trillion in debt over 8 years and Obama gave us 6 Trillion in new debt in his first four years with no end in sight. Obama will go down in History as THE PRESIDENT that gave future generations more debt than all the other past Presidents combined from George Washington forward.

        Maybe that is what he meant when he said he would “Fundamentally transform America”.
        What did that mean? Nobody ever asked it the “elite” media and he has never explained it. I assume it meant taxing and spending us into POVERTY.

        Now, if we could get him to focus more on LEADERSHIP and less on being the greatest “Commander-in-Cheerleading” or the greatest “Commander-in-social-media” this nation has ever witnessed, well, maybe we could come up with a viable solution to the DEBT PROBLEM.

        The debt problem is not owned by the GOP or the DEMS, however, It is owned by the “Progressive Ideology” . This problem dates back to 1913 by those progressive leaders who decided to ignore our constitution and the warnings from our FOUNDERS about a centralized banking system. The final nail was put in the coffin when we went off the GOLD standard in 1972. Now, save your energy breaking down the party lines of the culprits who are responsible for the aforesaid. It is a “Progressive” problem not a party problem and the progressives have infected BOTH parties. One just more so than the other.

        You can play this libtard blame game all you want, just like Obama is doing now with sequestration, which the idea came from the WH originally, however, it will not change the fact that this progressive fiscal apocalypse is upon us.

        Those are the FACTS, not silly little talking points that are only effective with individuals with an IQ less than a Amoeba.

        APN

        • Bob666

          Yo APN,
          “Bottom line, Bush gave us 4 Trillion in debt over 8 years and Obama gave us 6 Trillion in new debt in his first four years with no end in sight. Obama will go down in History as THE PRESIDENT that gave future generations more debt than all the other past Presidents combined from George Washington forward”

          If you like quoting half of the facts, you are correct, but let’s look at the whole picture here. When slick Willie left office the economy was in a very slight down turn-but basically sound. Let’s remember that Sick Willie had more budget surpluses than any president in modern history and this is called a fact. Structurally, this country would less than a quarter of the debt we have now if we had stayed on his Willie’s Path.

          Enter “W”, and decides to cut taxes (did not totally disagree-only on who he cut taxes for). Now, I have to cut “W” some slack here since 9/11 happened on his watch and IMHO we had to go into Afghanistan if no other reason-principal.

          Iraq on the other hand was a fools folly and our great grand children will be paying for that folly. Worse, both wars were the most abominably executed wars in my life time (move over Robert McNamara, Rummy is taking your place for the worse Secretary of defense).

          I did not vote for Obama, I have not been pleased with his efforts and it is certainly not my job to defend him, But “W” handed over an economy to Obama that was crap on a cracker!

          I would dare say the worse economy in my life time and Obama has pulled us out of that black hole called Iraq and is moving forward to an exit from Afghanistan, Obama is due credit for that.

          Obama also put those two military conflicts on the balance sheet and a chunk of the debt from his tenure was from those two wars. The only thing that you and I are going to agree on here is that a peanut farmer from Plains, Georgia has two presidents taking him out as the worse president in the last 60 years.

          The problem with sites like this is people like to state facts that support an agenda. You can’t solve a problem until you identify that whole problem and both parties are to blame for the mess we are in.

      • APN

        You said “The problem with sites like this is people like to state facts that support an agenda. You can’t solve a problem until you identify that whole problem and both parties are to blame for the mess we are in.”

        You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. Where did I state anything about an agenda for a particular party. Where did I defend GB? Where did I defend the GOP? Where did I mention BC? You seem to read things into others comments very liberally.

        I stated the PROBLEM was a PROGRESSIVE problem and that the progressives had infected BOTH parties.

        So, YOU seem to have some form of “Political Agenda”, not me, my friend. I just want some SANITY back in Washington concerning this drunken state of spending our country is in and has been in for DECADES.

        APN

        • Bob666

          Yo APN,
          your post reminds me of a bumper sticker that I saw the other day:

          “I don’t have an attitude problem-you have a perception problem”.

          90% of your post are liberal this-Obama that. All I was doing is making a point and that is; we are in a F^cking mess and both parties are to blame. Your focus has been 95% on Obama from everything that I have read.

          Did I miss somthing?

      • APN

        Well, Bob, who is in charge? George Bush??? Is Obama the PUTUS or not? Or does he call GB on a nightly basis to say, “What next George??”

        Bush has not been in office or power since when?????????

        Obama has had FIVE YEARS to fix the economic disaster in this country and all he has done is SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND, as if spending MORE of what we do not have will in some magical way fix the problem. HOw can you spend more of something you don’t have?

        OBAMANOMICS does not work and will never work. Until he takes a leadership role and sits down with congress to hash out a REAL solution that includes entitlement reforms, well, the MESS will continue, and he will spend future generations into oblivion.

        Why is the POTUS not sitting down with the Senate right now to work out a debt reduction plan and what happened to his idea of cutting the deficit in half by the end of his first term.

        Now, substitute Obama with Geroge Bush for the past five years. Given that, would you be happy with GB right now?? Why does Obama get a pass on his dismal performance?

        Be honest.

        APN

        • Bob666

          APN,
          I am being honest. Bush handed over an economy to Obama that was crap on a cracker. Go back and read my post, I’m not happy with Obama and I could list several failures that he is indeed responsible for.

          But the fact is; the economy was going super Nova before Obama took office. I a being honest, are you?

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… Stuff takes time and the bigger the stuff the longer it takes to get going. So often a policy put through by a President does not go into affect until the next president takes over. Much of financial Bushisms didn’t begin until Obama was in office and then there was stuff, like the immoral bush jr wars, that we are are still feeling today along with some bush jr financials. Obama will leave some foul odors of his own but he has tried to repair much damage along his way even with the road blocks and filibusters.

            Oh yeah, there was much going super Nova when Obama took office, I agree because history shows it. I just felt like adding my 2 cents…

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            Your two cents tend to have more value than two cents, chime in any time. Many on this site like to leave half the facts out of their discussions-that never solved a problem.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Doc: Obama’s taken control of the deficit much more than Dubya and the federal debt is nothing to worry about-

      At a Denver fundraiser in 2012, Mr. Obama said he was “running to pay down our debt in a way that’s balanced and responsible.” He claimed that “after inheriting a $1 trillion deficit, I signed $2 trillion of spending cuts into law” and that since he has been president, “federal spending has risen at the lowest pace in nearly 60 years. Think about that.” It doesn’t take much thought to see that this is the most absurd claim in political memory.

      Mr. Obama was basing his boast on an already discredited study by journalist (Rex Nutting) that purported to show that “Obama has been the most fiscally moderate president we’ve had in 60 years.” Among other fatal problems with the study is that it omitted all spending that took place during the first nine months of the Obama administration, which were the last nine months of fiscal 2009. Thus, all of the initial spending programs to which the White House points with pride – particularly the failed nearly trillion-dollar economic stimulus program – are George W. Bush’s responsibility so far as Mr. Nutting is concerned.

      The “savings” Mr. Obama signed into law were all based on rosy economic projections, none of which has come true.

      The fiscal 2010 budget, fancifully titled “A New Era of Responsibility,” projected a $1.2 trillion cut in the deficit to $533 billion by 2013.

      The fiscal 2012 budget, which had no hopeful title, raised this number to $768 billion.

      Mr. Obama’s September 2011 deficit-reduction proposal further raised the projected 2013 deficit to $912 billion.

      The fiscal 2010 budget also hopefully projected 6.26 percent economic growth for 2012 rather than the anemic 1 percent to 2 percent growth the country is suffering. Naturally, Mr. Obama would much rather make reference to the imagined future his economists projected than to the grim reality he actually created.

      Other simple metrics show the disastrous impact of Mr. Obama on the deficit. The 2009 budget deficit was three times that of 2008.

      The deficit as a percentage of gross domestic product went from 3.1 percent in 2008 to 9.9 percent in 2009.

      The deficit for the first month of fiscal 2010 was $176 billion, which was greater than the $161 billion deficit for all of 2007.

      In his first 986 days in office, up to Oct. 3, 2011, Mr. Obama oversaw a $4.2 trillion increase in the national debt, which was more than the debt accrued by all presidents from George Washington to George H.W. Bush combined.

      It’s no wonder why Mr. Obama wants to portray himself as a deficit hawk. The federal budget deficit is the second-most-important issue in the election after jobs, on which Mr. Obama’s record is equally dismal.

      The White House has never submitted a proposal that has come close to balancing the federal budget, even with 10-year projections to work with. The flawed economic assumptions used to sell Mr. Obama’s programs were a bait-and-switch that left America mired in unsustainable levels of debt.

      It’s incredible that Mr. Obama believes he can get away with such a big lie. He seems simply to have lost his grip on reality.

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/24/obamas-big-deficit-lie/

      • APN

        Whew! Boy, tell it like it is!

        APN

  • Bob666

    Look at History people, both parties (GOP/DNC) are to blame and no mater how this tuns out, all of us will experience the pain.

    • macgyver1948

      Hi Bob… yep, it is both parties, you have that Right but to different degrees. I just do not know the distance between them.

      • Motov

        Whatever the thickness of the coin is,.. I view them as opposite sides of the same coin, it doesn’t matter what turns up when you flip it.
        Time to think third party, and abandon both the Democans and the Republicrats!

        • Bob666

          Yo Motov,
          Been waiting 30 years for that third party, history does not give me much hope if you look at the last three attempts.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… I have been looking for a real Party Of the People who could be a “Government Of the People” for all my life and there never seemed to be one around, just fakes. The Dems seem to be the closest among the evils. WOW, that can get scary at times.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            I understand where you are comming from. I have been yearning for that third party all of my life as well.

            Both the GOP and DNC have been bought and paid for by special interest, but the GOP scares me more due to the religious right that dominates it. 99% of the waka-doodle emails of fiction that I recieve come from the right.

            But, we also have the DNC who support some well meaning, but idealistic economic policies that have created a new wellfare class in my lifetime and they don’t seem to be able to break that pattern.

            The only rational conclusion that I see is to take big money out of politics-then “we the people” might just get some influience back.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… Yeah, I know. Being Jewish that far Right religious fringe scares me too. I see an “acceptable religions list” in them and if your faith doesn’t put Jesus at its top enough for them you ain’t in. We saw during the Republican debates some of the candidates put Mormons down as not being Christian, or was was it not Christian enough for them? “Separation Of Church And State” is so necessary to support Freedom Of Religion and be added to the Constitution as we see more and more of “only our church and how we see God is right”. This has to stop in a free nation or Freedom Of Religion will once again be meaningless.

            The GOP, a misleading nick name for them to use, is falling so far Conservative it can be scary in that too. The TP influence is there and in control of so many GOP in Congress we need to be concerned who those elected are really representing and who they are not, even their own constituents.

            The Dems are doing some of the same but as you know I agree they are closer to what Freedom is about than the TP controlled GOP. They at least do not openly benefit and protect the huge money and the big corporations at our non affluent expense. For a righteous third party to come along they might need so much of their own money so they will not owe anything, especially not everything to the pledges as the TPGOP has, to the the big contributors along with a hefty desire for Liberty and Freedom for all equally.

            They must posses no strictly greedy nature and they must care about America as well as all its people, not just the ones with the huge money. They must know the Constitution is there to protect us from them and not the other way around and never make adjustments to it without a full public vote (I want those in government who change or adjust the Constitution without our permission to be living in Leavenworth Prison in Kansas and that should also be retroactive). They must eliminate special interest groups and lobbying that will cater only to those special interests. Yeah, big money needs to come out of politics as the Founders warned us. There is more but this is enough for here and now. How will all this happen and where will we find them?

            “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” – Thomas Jefferson

            Thomas Jefferson got it right when in 1802 he wrote, “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property—until their children wake up homeless in the continent their fathers conquered.”

            John Adams said:
            There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.

            Bob, isn’t what Thomas Jefferson and John Adams says just above happening still and they all are bending over for all the bucks they can get but those bucks come with a huge price and we citizens are paying.

            See http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/the-founding-fathers-tried-to-warn-us-about-the-threat-from-a-two-party-system.html

            That was fun but it is what I have been thinking for a very long time.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            We are in 100% agreement. I belonged to the GOP up until Regan’s second term. When I saw the Moral Majority (really a very vocal minority) demonstrate so much influence over the GOP, I saw that as time to move on to the libertarian party. It was Lee Atwater that convinced me to make that choice and looking at Karl Rove, I know that choice was correct.

            I am not going to claim that I know exactly what our founding fathers believed, but I’m pretty sure that “no state sponsored religion” sets the tone. I live in south Florida among a large Jewish population that many of my neighbors refer to as god’s waiting room. The thing that I like most about them is; they don’t want me in their temple and I find that to be very refreshing. As neighbors, I could not ask for better and I admire the orthodox folks for their adherence to their faith as they really live it every day.

            This land was made for you and me and the folks that disagree with us, It’s too bad that many of them feel a need to have total control and make us a minority in order to feel secure about this country

            As I have said, take the big money out of politics and “We The People” might have a fighting chance.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… None of us can really know what the Founders were thinking. They did speak of “Separation Of Church And State” by in the end they decided on leaving it up to the states to decide. Considering what has been going on since their time they made a mistake in that. It does weaken Freedom Of Religion for SCS to not be in the Constitution as things are and the more religious organizations influence Congress in decision making with their religions specifics the more we need SCS added to the Constitution as well.

            Bob, it is not that Jews, in “God’s waiting room” or not (LOL), do not want you in their temple, it is more so that we do not recruit or proselytize. I feel that is insulting and disrespectful to any who are happy with their religion beyond the first “Hi there, can we speak” and the person says no the first time. There is also a thing going back to the Romans as well with the Hebrew insurgency/rebellion concerning conversion to Judaism going on but that is another story. You can go if you like and they shouldn’t make you uncomfortable but that is all up to you. I have been to several Catholic masses and services as well as to Protestant services but never with the thought of converting. I went to be with friends in something that is important to them when I was invited and to learn. This is why I say “to each his/her own faith”, it is about Liberty and Freedom when it comes to religion.

            This land, or rather country, was made for all who want to live their own lives as they see fit. It is not about how any groups(s) feel it should be for all as they see it. Some of the founders said, and I can’t find the quote now, something to the effect that majority rule should take precedence, as in the elections, but never should a majority dictate liberty for any one person. In a free society such as ours the individual is his own decider on how he lives his life and that is the foundation of Liberty, never what other people decide for us. It all comes down to bully-ism, if you shun and berate someone because he isn’t of your “belief”, religiously or politically, you are a bully. That needs to stop.

            Again you bring up the need to remove big money from government. We can see how big money can corrupt so efficiently and the Founders saw that too. So we can see when there are efforts to keep big money in government, especially unanimously (as with Citizens United) I feel the Founders would call those who do traitors. It is like “who is trying the buy influence”, something so much a contradiction to what the government is suppose to be for – all of us.

            To include a further thought in this money influence thing especially when it comes to secret donations. Our Government is a publicly owned entity and the secrets in this help to make it private. We can’t have that either. I wonder if those who support this, such as Citizen’s United, feel if they do this big and often enough they will get to own what they pay for.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            You miss-read my statement. My Jewish neighbors have always invited me with open arms to weddings and bar mitzvah’s, etc. When I said they don’t want me, my point is they are not telling me that I’m going to hell if I don’t join their Temple like some of the Christian neighbors have been known to do.

            If I wanted to convert, I’m sure they would accept me with the usual open arms. Quite a few years ago, one of our past southern Baptist neighbors came back from the southern Baptist convention where it was determined that all southern Baptist needed to convert all of the Jews to Christianity so those folks could escape hell.

            It was quite comical-and I’m not sure anyone missed her four months later when Delta transferred her back to Atlanta.

            Come to think of it, she is probably a regular poster on this web site.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… LOL.. I am not sure I mis read you, just didn’t say all of that. For all my life my relatives invited my non Jewish friends into the house for meals and games and tv or whatever. We just roll like that. I never will understand so-called religious people who aren’t that way but they have that right. When I said “Bob, it is not that Jews, in “God’s waiting room” or not (LOL), do not want you in their temple, it is more so that we do not recruit or proselytize” I wasn’t saying they would not invite you.

            I was brought up ultra conservative. Probably the only thing conservative about me, LOL. Anyway, when it comes to conversion to Judaism from my experiences, and my first wife went through it for a while, I was told most rabbis would almost discourage a potential convert from it until the Rabbi is convinced that person is very serious. That could be because it takes loads of study and time, maybe as much as a steady year, and the rabbi wants to know he wouldn’t be waisting his time. In the mean time, way before the rabbi is convinced and offers his teaching, the people in the community can jump in to help the potential convert.

            On another topic here. A few years ago I was at a friend’s house and she was watching Van Ippie (whatever the spelling), a TV evangelist. At the end of his show that day he said, trying to remember as close as I can his wording, “…we hope some day all Jews will join us in Christ”. You reminded me with “Quite a few years ago, one of our past southern Baptist neighbors came back from the southern Baptist convention where it was determined that all southern Baptist needed to convert all of the Jews to Christianity so those folks could escape hell”. I bet “It was quite comical”.

            To be polite to them, in my response, it is a mortal sin for Jews to accept Jesus or anyone in that way who is NOT God. My question is “what does their bible and religion say about any one of them who would knowingly try to get another person to commit a mortal sin?”. Our Bible tells us this in various ways and we will listen to God from Torah rather than any of them. We Jews will not tell others what they need to do so why are they telling us? By the way, The Ten Commandants is from Torah and the first two Commandants may suggest why we cannot as well as in other parts of Torah. Hopefully you won’t think I am misreading you now by thinking you are agreeing with your Southern Baptist neighbors.

            By the way, what is the need for the differences between the Baptist and the Southern Baptist churches, one split from the other and they both claim they are the right ones, like so many Protestant Churches? Who is right with their differences, and not the others, if they all claim to be right? I have wondered this since I was a small kid in The Bronx. How can every one else be wrong if they all claim they are right with what makes them different?

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            “My question is “what does their bible and religion say about any one of them who would knowingly try to get another person to commit a mortal sin?”. Our Bible tells us this in various ways and we will listen to God from Torah rather than any of them. We Jews will not tell others what they need to do so why are they telling us? By the way, The Ten Commandants is from Torah and the first two Commandants may suggest why we cannot as well as in other parts of Torah.

            I was raised Presbyterian, which follows the Calvinist theological tradition. I will also state that it is one of the most dull of the protestant religions. My father had a masters degree in theology and retired from the army. While he was the typical southern WASP, we had a library of books in our home ranging from the Torah, the Koran, the Talmud, the Kabala and the four Vedas.

            We were not required to read anything other than the bible as kids, but we were encouraged to read other religious text if we wanted to. Having been brought up with church and Sunday school until I was a teenager and having my father read the bible to me every night before bed, I would say that very few Christians live as the bible states they should.

            Only because my dad had the extensive knowledge he did have, I was able to draw the evolution from the Torah to the first testament to the king James version of the new testament.

            From my observations, most Christians study the bible and only the bible and don’t look for anything previous to the new testament. While I have read many a book on religion, I always remember two things my father told me. First, more people have been killed in the name of god than for all other reasons combined. The final was that religion is based on faith and that few men truly have both faith and the ability to understand that faith.

            One thing that I should add is that every male in my family also belonged the Masonic lodge and that broadens and overview of the Judeo-Christian faith. Pretty much all religions provide a code of moral conduct. From my observations, mankind has a poor track record of following moral conduct.

            One of my neighbors is a Rabbi and I believe he sums it up best, we all go to heaven, there is just a different seating arrangement when we get there.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… Last first… You finish with “One of my neighbors is a Rabbi and I believe he sums it up best, we all go to heaven, there is just a different seating arrangement when we get there”. I think many Jews believe we all go to heaven, at least we have hope, but that seating is based on our deeds and what was in our hearts and not the religion we chose while we were in this life. God did not create religion, man did as a way to both relate to God and for some to control other men, so I do not think God would look more favorably on any religion but more so how we related to Him and other Earthly life forms. That was a bit dramatic in the wording but I am making a point.

            You had an interesting up bringing with all those types of books. I didn’t get into Kabbalah until I was an adult. The Karon wasn’t in my house when I was a kid but I do not think my religious grandmother would have objected to it although she might have wondered about a possible conversion if she saw me reading it. She wasn’t thinking about the criminal fringe in The Muslim world so much before she died when I was 14. Talmud was part of my Hebrew schooling as of course was Torah.

            I have a question on something you say here, the way you word it. You say “Only because my dad had the extensive knowledge he did have, I was able to draw the evolution from the Torah to the first testament to the king James version of the new testament”.

            Torah is the first 5 books of the Hebrew Bible and in the front part of the Christian Bibles, as Christians refer to it as The Old Testament. We believe Torah was dictated by God directly to Moses. The other two books of the Hebrew Bible were written by Hebrews as a sort of history until it ends, which includes God’s words through the Hebrew Prophets, with the books Ezra / Nehemiah. That is where the Bible ends for us. How do you mean “evolution” from Torah to the “first testament”? And, as you state it here, do you mean “first testament” to be what Christians call The Old Testament? By the way, we Jews do not see any continuation or evolution between from Our Bible to the Christian Bibles.

            You say “From my observations, mankind has a poor track record of following moral conduct”. You have something in common with Gandhi – “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians­. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” – Mohandas K. Gandhi. Not necessarily literally of course. Sadly that can be said of some in different religions. A Jihad is a Jihad no matter what the religion or language or the extent. For example, getting Jews to accept Jesus is the same as ending Judaism. That is on a small moral scale, Hitler and the Muslim extremists and other antisemits of many religions have been trying on a large moral scale for a long time. Read some European history to see what I mean. The results would be the same, just different tactics.

          • Bob666

            Yo Mac,
            “I have a question on something you say here, the way you word it. You say “Only because my dad had the extensive knowledge he did have, I was able to draw the evolution from the Torah to the first testament to the king James version of the new testament””

            Yes, first testament = old testament. as for the term evolve, My father referred to the five books as the five canons of Jewish Law or what you refer to as the first five books of the Jewish bible. This was basically history (His-Story) in the making from the Jewish tradition that evolved into the old vs. new testament as help by modern day Christians.

            At this point in my life, I have come to conclude that all religions are basically good, it is man who abuses the power brought on by organized religion that is bad. Personally, I believe that our founding fathers being closer in history to the inquisitions, the crusades and that little rift between the Catholic church and the Anglican church saw the separation of church and state as the foundation of personal freedom and liberty.

            Growing up, Having my father as a source of information on religion was a benefit that few people get to experience and I consider myself very fortunate for having his experience and knowledge as a resource as a child. My father’s family was from England and Scotland & came here in the mid 1600′s, so there were plenty of family lessons regarding my families part in American history and how religion played it’s part in it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Darwan Winkler

            Bob666 says, “, I believe that our founding fathers being closer in history to the inquisitions, the crusades and that little rift between the Catholic church and the Anglican church saw the separation of church and state as the foundation of personal freedom and liberty.”

            Yes, ~ it was strong on their minds as they went about laying down a foundation for a New Nation, conceived in God, ~ with Liberty and Justice for ALL.” ~ and here we are today ~ back fighting religious zealots that wish to install “their brand” of religion into government.

            I see government and religion as having two common attributes, ~ they both “grow” and they both seek “dominion”. ~ When combined, they become a monster, unruly and impossible to control. ~ Only by separation of the two, might we be allowed to prune this insidious growth and over-reach of either as both government and religion greatly resent any pruning what soever and consider it an “attack” on their dominion.

            For ‘Free men and women’ to live in peace with either, demands constant “pruning” .

            It’s not “Rocket Surgery” , ~history has repeated it’s self a thousand times ~ but no less , here we are ‘today’, fighting a few million Americans that are flying a banner of “Personal Freedom and Liberty” and attempting to install their notions of God into government.

            Let me say this, ~ if you believe in the ideas and vision that our Founding Father’s had for this New Nation we call America, ~ you will stand with me and resist this effort at every opportunity.

            Be warned, today they call themselves “The Tea Party” , yesterday it was “The Right Wing Christian Coalition” , prior to that they called themselves the “John Birch Society” , which was a spin-off of the Klu Klux Klan with enough distance between the two, they can deny it.

            Tomorrow, ~ They will repackage themselves with a new title and new label and claim to be selling new ideas while they are in fact the same old ideas. They will appeal to your faith in God and your Nationalistic pride. And ask how could you ever decline their “good intentions”? ~

            Be wise to their ways, the devil will offer you the world ~ but he never delivers what he promises.

            Combined, government and religion is unimaginable and comes at the cost of Personal Freedom. Our founders knew this, ~ so very well.

          • Bob666

            Yo Darwin,
            We are in agreement. As I said, more people have been killed in the name of god than for all other reasons combined, yet this does not stop the lunictic fringe who will do it all over again.

            Faith and religion are a personal choice for every man and woman and should be respected as such. your faith is your business and my faith is mine. unfortunately, it when some want to mix religion with a gun, we all lose.

            those who try to mix religion with government will always end up opressiong someone.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… I so much agree and I see history does too with what you say “those who try to mix religion with government will always end up opressiong someone”. The founders knew this.

            There was an old American slogan “Don’t tread on me”***. Every religion should revise that slogan and it should be enforced by Constitutional protections. :-).

            ***“The historic First Navy Jack “Don’t Tread on Me” flag. This powerful American symbol was used by the Continental Navy in 1775 and is being used again by the U.S. Navy in the War on Terrorism”.

            It has also been revived by the Tea Party in 2010 (“Last weekend, as the House prepared to vote on the health care overhaul legislation, a group of Republican lawmakers unfurled a large “Don’t Tread on Me” flag from a balcony of the Capitol building, rallying their supporters below. The flag has become a staple at Tea Party rallies. Melissa Block speaks to Joseph Ellis, professor of history at Mount Holyoke College, about the history of the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag and its use by the Tea Party movement”).

            WOW , I think this Tea use was distorting the original value and message of the slogan. Tea should get insurance on their own, as with all of us, if they can afford to so ObamaCare wont affect them so directly. We can’t blame all the over costing of med care on ObamaCare, that has been going on for so long as the Insurance companies decide how they get wealthier off of their customers. We also know the Tea in Congress, as well as all in government, get great insurance from tax payers so ObamaCare wont be an issue for them.

          • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Darwan Winkler

            Quote ; “WOW , I think this Tea use was distorting the original value and message of the slogan. Tea should get insurance on their own, as with all of us, if they can afford to so ObamaCare wont affect them so directly. We can’t blame all the over costing of med care on ObamaCare, that has been going on for so long as the Insurance companies decide how they get wealthier off of their customers”

            Not having a leg to stand on or a track record of making sound decisions ~ “Borrowing” is about all the Tea Party is left with. ~

            Their very named is borrowed. ~ Right? And I find it most appropriate as their cloak their true intentions and identity and defer guilt and blame.

            The today’s tea party is like a man with a set of “jump cables” in is hand, they are tiring to start something.

            As far and cost of medical insurance, a 300% increase within a period of 20 years, with an “employer based” insurance system that could cherry pick who they would even insure or deny coverage while having the right to drop coverage when the insured might need it most ~ quit simply was not working all that well.

            This system health care system did not address the needs of a nation of people and placed a heavy burden in hospital Emergency care( the most expensive care) with the burden of cost being picked up via taxes of the local government.

            This system failed to address the need of small business, the self employed and young people that had recently left the parental nest and working at entry level positions at entry level pay.

            Not even to mention the down sizing that grew so popular and took effect under Ronnie Reagan had major employers terminating senior full time employee’s and replacing them with part-time employees and was not required to offer them insurance at all.

            ~ It was a time for a change in the way our nation address health care and it’s cost.

            Federal government is demanding that it’s citizens make some personal attempt to fund their health care. ~ This is will cost anywhere from 1,200.00 to 5,000.00 dollars per year, depending on the family and individual.

            Needless to say. ~ this comes as bad news to a lot of people. ~ People that have enjoyed 4 decades having the Federally subsidized insurance via their employer might well see a cost increase ~ as they were never paying market value to begin with.

            People that have been denied insurance coverage in the past for what ever the reason insurance providers have offered, ~ you smoke, you are self employed, you are 55 years old, you have a 3 year history of getting a cold, the flu or an upper respiratory infection once every year ~ what ever ~~ can now buy “affordable” health care insurance and can no longer be denied.

            It suck ! sure ~ but so does being sick. ~

            The cost is too great, to wait until you are sick to worry about your own health care needs,

            A broke leg can cost you 4,000.00 and up. ~ One day in a ICU will cost you 350.00 min. and then you will pay for the doctor and every bandage and every pill.

            Just an ambulance ride to the hospital cost upward of 400.00.

            Don’t get sick, don’t get hurt ~ but people by the millions do everyday.

          • macgyver1948

            Darwan Winkler … I pretty much agree with what you say in this comment. Today’s Tea is so misleading when they align themselves with both the Founders as well as with those who dressed up as Native Americans to dump tea. Actually that event was a protest of paid taxes going to the companies and into the pockets of the politicians who helped the companies instead of going to England as it should. Doesn’t that kind of thing sound familiar for what goes on today in a way? The Founders were against the greed of the corporations, or companies of the time, and today’s Tea is in total support of the Corporations which puts them against those who aren’t very wealthy or a Corp.

            Over the past 40 or so years I have seen company employee benefits go from very beneficial and affordable to “what is the point?” While I worked for Walmart until 3 years ago the least expensive health policy was about $30 a payday and that came with a $2000/yr “you pay first”. So many of their hourly couldn’t afford to pay the deductible so “what is the point” to health insurance? So many of them did not do the payroll deduction for it. Walmart still bragged about how they love their associates and how much they help them, as well as brag about how well they pay their hourly. My question is “what is the point to health insurance if you cannot afford to use it?”.

            There is no employee/associate representation at Walmart, unless you count their Global Ethics Office and their Open Door Policy and those working those processes get their pay checks from Good ol’ Walmart. This is what the TPGOP supports for all corporations and they get that in Right To Work States very nicely. This is not exclusive to Walmart.

            We know the point to downsizing is to lower corporate expenses which is a major goal for the Execs. Keeping as much money at the top is what they work their efforts for and they keep themselves distant from the employees and they do not feel how much they are hurting workers and their families when they downsize or layoff or Bain or whatever. It is all a greedy shame since so many corporations have been in the black for a while. They can maintain and create jobs if they want to but they have a greater need to maintain their own salary growth and bonus packages and of course to keep the top shareholders happy, they have to do that if they want nice contract renewals.

            You end your comment with “Don’t get sick, don’t get hurt ~ but people by the millions do everyday”. You left out “don’t get old”. Insurance companies looked for any excuse to cancel policies and they made it more expensive to maintain what was allowed. One of the good things about ObamaCare is it will help to stop insurance companies from doing Business as usual at the peoples expense. Of course the Right opposes Ocare, it hampers the insurance industry’s greed, as it would oppose any corporate regulation by government for the people. There are things in Ocare that shouldn’t be but many of those come for the GOP, such as the Mandate. That is what the political compromise does when you want something good to pass, you take the bad with the good. In the early 1990s the GOP tried for national health care, with their Mandate in it, and for a number of reasons it failed. Governor Romney had the mandate and other GOP items in his health care plan too for Massachusetts and many of them hated him for that too beside for his fiscal policies. I am hoping Obama cleans out Obamacare of the hurtful stuff before he leaves office.

          • macgyver1948

            Darwan Winkler … Several of the Founders were Masons, which might explain why there might be Mason like symbols found on our money, as the movie National Treasure pointed out. Interesting things came out in that movie…

            I agree, Government and religions are similar in many ways. Today religions are a smaller version of their former selves when some churches were the government. The Vatican still thinks it is.

            You say “Only by separation of the two, might we be allowed to prune this insidious growth and over-reach of either as both government and religion greatly resent any pruning what soever and consider it an “attack” on their dominion”. You have that so right, we cannot allow the two to influence each other in any way. We should hope the people we elect to make law would be of moral character but none of their religion should interfere in that law making. The Founders talked about “Separation Of Church And State but instead of putting it in the Constitution along side Freedom Of Religion they decided to leave it up to the States. I think that was a mistake considering what has been going on since there time.

            You include “Be warned, today they call themselves “The Tea Party” , yesterday it was “The Right Wing Christian Coalition” , prior to that they called themselves the “John Birch Society” , which was a spin-off of the Klu Klux Klan with enough distance between the two, they can deny it”.

            You could be right with all those groups but I know they spun off the John Birch Society, The Koch Brother’s dad was big in the JBS, and I know from news the KKK and some Neo-Nazi groups wanted to merge with Tea because they share so many agendas and attitudes. We need to stop Tea from emerging further by what ever name they might use in the future.

            The best ways to know a potential enemy is to do as much research on the leaders of a group. Researching the Koch Family got me concerned. I knew of the JBS while growing up, including how much they fought against the civil rights movement in the 1960s but not limited to that, because of their anti black and antisemitic views but I hoped JBS would die off. I was wrong, a poisonous thorn by any name is still a poisonous thorn. I have told people I know who are members of the Tea Party, regular every day people, to get to know the people at the top of any organization before they join and not only listen to their words (to them). Then you should learn if they are really the kind of people you want to be associated with.

            Liberty, as the Founders defined it, has to do with the Golden Rule and people being who they choose without being concerned with how others will take them. Not at all how Tea wants it to be in “only our ways”. This is not FREEDOM or Liberty in that Tea thing.

            You end with “Combined, government and religion is unimaginable and comes at the cost of Personal Freedom. Our founders knew this, ~ so very well”.

            Yep and the Founders knew this so very well and that is why the Constitution DOES NOT declare America any kind of a specific religion, no mention of specific religion in it at all. I get all kinds of arguments for those who disagree and they argue since God is a huge factor that says their religions is in it. But then that is nullifying Freedom Of Religion if that were true. World history so much shows this and the Founders knew the history in that. They instead wanted Liberty and Freedom equally for all. Just like the stars on our flag are all the same size, giving every state a equal right at freedom, all religions are the same to the Constitution – ALL.

          • macgyver1948

            Bob… Thanks for sharing yours and your dad’s view of the First five Books, Torah which is God’s law for us.

            You say “I have come to conclude that all religions are basically good, it is man who abuses the power brought on by organized religion that is bad. Personally”. I agree for the most part that all religions are basically good but man has a way of changing things. I wonder if that “I see it better than they do” attitude is one of the reasons there are so many different denominations in the same basic religion. Those many Protestants, who were originally Catholic, saw things wrong in how the Catholic Church ran things so they felt they could make it better. It is in that attitude where so often man gets his superiority complexes and prejudices from and that explains many of the actions taken by people in history all in the name of God, to me any way.

            You surprised me when we first met here… I suppose I let my mind go to where those who would jump to wrong conclusions did who were opposed to your political views especially when the conversation veered toward religion. I didn’t assume a lot because I am usually wrong when I do. The “666” you have appended to your name here was used by some to malign you and I have since seen you are not the beast they say you are associated. Funny how people will use what they can, even simple things, to attack those who do not think as they. You have a good view of religion and not just your own but who really knows who is right? We are right for the choices we make for ourselves so that has to be good enough as long as we respect other people’s choices for them. For example, it gets to me when I am told we Jews are wrong when we do not see things in a Christan way, well, their Christian ways because there are many different ways in Christianity.

            Your family was here for a long time. My Grand mothers, both came here in their teens and I am no sure about my grand dads, I think they were born here. One grand mother is from Poland and the other from from Russia. Both grand fathers were German so I am a mutt, lol…

        • macgyver1948

          Motov… yes. As you say “Whatever the thickness of the coin is,.. I view them as opposite sides of the same coin, it doesn’t matter what turns up when you flip it.
          Time to think third party, and abandon both the Democans and the Republicrats!”

          There might be many on the left who would agree with you but who could we look at for office? We do not like the so-called Libertarian Party either and the Pauls do not do it for us. With how things are going, more corporate control, we will be the Plutocracy many on the Right seem to be fighting for pretty exclusively. We need a party who will follow the Founders advice, in fearing the corporations, and consider smaller government as wisely can be done with compassion for all of our citizens fairly and equally whatever their money worth. AND who protects the Constitution so it can protect us from government as it was intended. So, again, who?

    • Old Henry

      Bob, maybe we can then re-elect dick-for-brains through his Saul Alinsky worshipping “wife” and he can feel our pain, again. Then we will all be one with the world again and no more pain.

      • Bob666

        Yo Old
        and maybe you could actually bring something to the table for discussion.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Obamunism…

    Obamunism is the worship of the one true God, Barack Obama. Followers of this religion believe in Change, Hope, and Change; they also like having fun and doing stuff. Change and Hope are always capitalized to show reverence, because they are the holy words of Obama.

    The coming of Obama was predicted by many prophets including George F. Will, George Stephanopoulos, George Pataki, George III, and various other Georges.

    Also, in 1546, George Nostradamus predicted the coming of Obama in his book George’s Big Book of Prophecies, in which he wrote, “The young man disappointed in the two brothers will attain to the leadership. In place of sacred things he will see a horned bull, but through the virgin the pig’s place will then be filled. The ruse will conceal the offers, so they do not know who the lover is.” This passage clearly illustrates that Obama is of divine origin. Obama’s coming is also said to have been prophesied by Gandalf. Lenin was an Obamunist.

    The Five Pillars of Islam err, i mean, Obamunism

    The Five Pillars of Obamunism are, in order, Change, Hope, Change, Hope, and Hope.

    Followers of Obamunism, called Obamunists, are instructed by the Koran … err, I mean Obamunist Bible to Hope for Change, pray five times a day while facing New York, and always vote blue. Obamunists are also encouraged to sacrifice unborn children to Obama in a ritual known as abortion.

    Kenya, the land of Obama’s earthly father, is a holy land according to Obamunism. According to the Obamunist Bible, the village of Nyang’oma Kogelo is where an archangel appeared to Obama’s father and said: “Go to America, there you shall meet Ann Dunham. She will birth you a son, and you shall call him Barack Hussein Obama. Your son shall acquire great power, and he shall be held high in the councils of the deranged.”

    It was then that the angel told Obama Sr. that his son would be an agent of Hope and Change. “Your son will be an agent of Hope and Change, and Hope for Change. Err … I Hope!”

    Many critics of Obamunism point out that, of the prophecies alleged to have predicted his coming, only the one by Gandalf was real. They debunk this prophecy by saying that Gandalf is, in fact, not real, and that prophecies by fictional characters don’t count.

    Proponents of Obamunism argue that Gandalf is, in fact, real, because they saw him on TV, and so his prophecies are valid. Recent studies by highly overpaid ‘scientists’ have concluded that, since they saw him on TV, Gandalf is, in fact, real. -uncyclopedia

    “Believe on me and you will be saved from all fear and pain.”
    ~ Obama

    • macgyver1948

      WTS/JAY … What planet does this mystic fantasy come from? There is something so Right about it in its fantasy and BS but it will be funny to some just the same. Did it take you long to make it all up or is the concept just from the TP BS hate hand book? Just asking…

      • cawmun cents

        Said the guy named after a TV show…I saw it on TV,so I had to name my real self after it…
        Hilarious….
        Cheers!
        -CC.

        • macgyver1948

          cawmun cents… LOL, what is really funny is when small narrow minded people can’t come up with something intelligent they have to look for something small enough for their ‘widdle’ brain to handle, like picking on a screen name choice. LOL… Well, some of those on the Right go to name calling and insults right away when they run into someone who has the audacity to not agree with them. I guess they do not believe in Free Speech for those who disagree with them.. Enjoy yourself… Yes, it is “Hilarious” to listen to children when they supposedly lived long enough to be adults….

      • cawmun cents

        Said the guy named after a TV show…I saw it on TV,so I had to name my real self after it…
        Hilarious….
        Cheers!
        -CC.

    • APN

      WTS/JAY…Well now, that just about sums it up! However; I refer to them as “Obamanites”.

      Pretty good post, I enjoyed it immensely!

    • http://personalliberty Alondra

      WTS/JAY,
      obamanism = CRIMINALISM

  • Old Henry

    Speaking of the guvmint debt, here is an interesting article on one way the democraps have been looking at “fixing” the problem…

    Aren’t the communists something?

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/02/the_feds_want_your_retirement_accounts.html

    • http://personalliberty Alondra

      INTERESTING TAKE ON THE WORLD FINANCIAL SYSTEM COMING FROM A READER IN SOUTH AFRICA.

      “I’ve been in touch with traders in Hong Kong, Zurich, New York and Istanbul over night. Only those who are aware of the Elite’s game plan can understand what is going on. The rest are totally lost and have no explanation for what is going on.”

      “Most analysts cannot find any viable macroeconomic explanation of the fact that over the last 5 months gold has been falling against the USD despite world central banks flooding the world markets with historically cheap credit, interest rates maintained at their lowest ever”

      “What these analysts fail to realize are, among other factors, the following: a) the Elite-owned CLS Bank International has a daily turn over of approx $4 trillion via the global FOREX market, b) the Elite are in collective control of all world central banks, and most importantly: c) the year 2013 marks the mandatory END of the Fed’s 100-year Bank Charter.”

      “With regards to the significance of the Fed Banking Charter (item “c”, above), it would be helpful to recall that the War of 1812 occurred ONLY due to the fact that the newly gone independent USA (1776) did not agree to renew the 20-year mandate of the Elite’s Bank Charter which ran out in 1811.”

      The rest read on the http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=394925

      “Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.” (I Samuel 24:13)

      • Bob666

        Dr. Orly Taitz, Esquire=The punchline of a bad joke.

      • APN

        Interesting post, thanks.

        APN

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Al-Qaeda’s list of 22 tips for dodging drone attacks – including at least one believed to originate with Osama bin Laden – has been found hidden inside a manila envelope in a building abandoned by Islamists in Mali.

    The document includes advice such as “hide under thick trees” (believed to be bin Laden’s contribution), and instructions for setting up a “fake gathering” using dolls to “mislead the enemy”.

    Found by the Associated Press in a building in Timbuktu, the ancient city occupied by Islamists last year, the document is believed to have been abandoned as extremists fled a French military intervention last month. It is a Xeroxed copy of a tipsheet authored by a Yemeni extremist that has been published on some jihadi forums, but that has made little appearance in English.

    The list reflects how al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghbreb anticipated a military intervention that would make use of drones, as the war on terror shifts from the ground to the air.

    The document also shows the coordination between al-Qaeda chapters, which security experts have called a source of increasing concern.

    A partial list:

    1. It is possible to know the intention and the mission of the drone by using the Russian- made “sky grabber” device to infiltrate the drone’s waves and the frequencies. The device is available in the market for $2,595 and the one who operates it should be a computer- know-how.

    2. Using devices that broadcast frequencies or pack of frequencies to disconnect the contacts and confuse the frequencies used to control the drone. The Mujahideen have had successful experiments using the Russian-made “Racal.”

    3. Spreading the reflective pieces of glass on a car or on the roof of the building.

    4. Placing a group of skilled snipers to hunt the drone, especially the reconnaissance ones because they fly low, about six kilometers or less.

    5. Jamming of and confusing of electronic communication using the ordinary water-lifting dynamo fitted with a 30-meter copper pole.

    6.Jamming of and confusing of electronic communication using old equipment and keeping them 24-hour running because of their strong frequencies and it is possible using simple ideas of deception of equipment to attract the electronic waves devices similar to that used by the Yugoslav army when they used the microwave (oven) in attracting and confusing the NATO missiles fitted with electromagnetic searching devices.

    7.Using general confusion methods and not to use permanent headquarters.

    8. Discovering the presence of a drone through well-placed reconnaissance networks and to warn all the formations to halt any movement in the area.

    9.To hide from being directly or indirectly spotted, especially at night.

    10.To hide under thick trees because they are the best cover against the planes.

    11.To stay in places unlit by the sun such as the shadows of the buildings or the trees.

    12. Maintain complete silence of all wireless contacts.

    The rest here: http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_international/_pdfs/al-qaida-papers-drones.pdf

  • Mike linton

    When I have a friend who spends his money frivolously, eats out nightly, and basically blows his/her money constantly…lives beyond their means, to say.. I wonder what are they thinking? Yet if that friend wanted to borrow money from me, even if I knew they would pay it back, I would be very reluctant to lend it.. Yet Washington isn’t asking to borrow money from me, they are not my friend/friends, and I am forced to GIVE them 30% of my every earned dollar to watch them do just that!
    I am seriously tired of getting no where because of how much money I pay in taxes to watch it be wasted.
    Where are the Americans that want to stand up to big government and say enough is enough?!? I dont believe in taxing Joe more than John because he makes more money….that is simply robbing the rich to give to the poor, and the powerful…
    I really can’t believe that gas prices are at record highs and record profits, yet our, or your president does nothing…. When they say “out of their hands, we need only remember one name! Reagan…
    I really thought for a minute that the “occupy movement” was the beginning of America standing up! But it was an unorganized, blunder, disgrace fill in your own you get the point….
    I only pray that somebody comes forward soon enough to turn this
    Country around, someone that Washington has to listen to because how many are backing their cause… It can and will, addressed, become to late…and this once great free country will live under a communistic government with little to no freedoms…. But hey, they’ll still have a
    Cell phone and foodstamps…

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Did you ever really figure out what you pay in taxes? How many of your purchases have taxes tagged on them? I’ll bet it’s a lot more than 30%

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Keep this in mind: when you are “forced to GIVE” something, you are being ROBBED!!! They are STEALING from you!!!! Plain and simple!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Deerinwater

        Like when I’m forced to see that my child has her class ring or I’m forced to dip into may saving and help out a child in need? When I am forced to make sure my grand children have what they need to have? ~ Is that stealing? ~

        No ~ I don’t think that it is “simple stealing” ~ it’s more like complicated stealing ~ more in the area of extortion with the leverage of love and personal concern.

        So if we can remove the love, ~ then it could be call, what you are calling “simply stealing”.

        If you remove the passion of love ~ it is as you say, “Stealing” Nancy. Your lacking of willingness to give, might well be construed as being stolen or taken from.

        This position on such matters goes to the core of most Tea Party supporters thinking ~ very indicative of the mindset ~ all behavior is rooted in notions of ME or MINE and dominion and ownership.

        So tell us, ~ where has the love gone or was it never there to begin with? ~

        I would think that it was never there to begin with. ~ In the early bonding process between child and mother, ~ the child’s needs were never fully satisfied. The child’s sense of self worth and identity was never fully developed, leaving it hungry and uncertain to it’s personal boundaries with a heighten sense of self preservation.

        Mine!

        I know this is hard to understand ~ but fortunately ~ much like homosexuality ~ this is an exception and not the normal among adults. ~ We have good mothers to thank for this.

        Most blessed are the care givers among us, ~ the unsung heroes that receive far too little credit. As the hand that rocks the cradle, truly does rule the world.

        Wise is those that understand this and make allowance for all but a thankless job of being a Mother.

        All of us are not given the chance to pay back for our raising ~ but you can pay forward.

        In my case, ~ I’ve been blessed to do both and feel comfortable with what I tell you as true.

        Speaking of which, ~ I need to go fix mother’s running commode while she’s at church this morning!

        Have a bless day Nancy of Nebraska ~

        Today weather report from North Dakota

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAq1Ml3PlGc&noredirec

      • APN

        “DWI” said: This position on such matters goes to the core of most Tea Party supporters thinking ~ very indicative of the mindset ~ all behavior is rooted in notions of ME or MINE and dominion and ownership.

        Once again DWI, you seem to assert your superior Marxist beliefs as our MANDATED responsibility. This is YOUR earthly “religion”, not ours.

        You, like most progressives, are experts at deciding how WE should or should not spend OUR hard earned money. Who gave you this authority? Was it GOD?
        And if so, is this the same GOD that said “Thou Shalt not Covet” and “Thou Shalt not Steal”?

        Based upon YOUR comments you seem to be OBSESSED with your fellow man’s possessions. Who gave you the authority to judge what WE do or don’t do with the fruits of OUR labor, which came from God?

        People who do believe in GOD do things for their fellow man in secret and expect NOTHING in return. You on the other hand despise your fellow man for producing good fruit and then not sharing it as YOU see fit, based upon your worldly religion.

        You also seem to assert this euphoric worldly mindset as something superior to GOD’s Laws.

        If you spent YOUR time focusing on YOUR business, well, maybe you would not be so consumed and ANGRY with your fellow man’s fruits. i.e.; Coveting

        APN

        • http://www.facebook.com/darwan.winkler.3 Darwan Winkler

          You are sick man APN ~ I find a bit of pleasure in that. I will leave you to yourself, ~ a most fitting punishment.

          OD’ed on Foxed News! A causality of disinformation, puppet masters and your own dark thoughts.

          May you forever be loyal to yourself and enjoy no peace, no comfort, no joy while living in constant fear.

          Good bye

      • APN

        Darwin said: You are sick man APN ~ I find a bit of pleasure in that. I will leave you to yourself, ~ a most fitting punishment.

        OD’ed on Foxed News! A causality of disinformation, puppet masters and your own dark thoughts.

        May you forever be loyal to yourself and enjoy no peace, no comfort, no joy while living in constant fear. “””
        _____________________________________________________________________

        Did I touch a nerve Darwin? The name Darwin fits your mentality appropriately. The only thing that I fear is GOD, not you or the progressive Marxist bullies that spend their lives at the expense of their fellow man…..and……then bitch about it.

        APN

  • Chris

    The “average” government employee makes $126,000? I like to know “WHERE”? I’m a retired fed. gov’t. employee and I didn’t earn half of that…..and I worked in a building with about 1500 gov’t. employees. The only fed. gov’t. employees I know that earn that kind of money is managers and higher-graded employees but it seemed to me there were way more lower-graded employees than higher. ……..with some grades so low they could NEVER retire in this economy and will probably die while still working. Yes, I saw waste of taxdollars in my job and that’s because no physical inspections are being done to see HOW that money is being wasted. As far as sequestration, I know someone who worked for the DOD and her entire department was recently laid off……….they done away with this department completely and now all are out of a job. So everyone suffers because of the stupidity of a few.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      This says avarage. It probably reflects the disparity between gvoernment employees and takes into account the “bennies” that government employees get aren’t availability to employees in the private sector, like 20 years and half pay.

    • s c

      Chris, it needs to be said that Obummer is the one who thought up the idea of sequestration. His stooges (and most of the braindead twits who voted for him) will claim that here’s yet something else to blame on ‘someone else.’ OBUMMER came up with the idea. OBUMMER is to blame. It’s OBUMMER’s fault. W H Y can’t people figuer out that which is so OBVIOUS?
      By the way, take your kids O U T of public school. Leaving them in a public school is how we got so many people who found reasons to vote for Chicago’s “gift” to politics. Just what we needed – another Al Capone.

      • Alan

        i get the subtle impression that you don’t like obama.

  • J.

    Don’t be a hater. This is what you can expect from barry sotero. He was raised by his mother to believe two things. 1. When the going gets tough, go to the welfare/student aid office and play victim until you recieve a check. And 2. Welfare is a career choice. All he knows is spend someone else’s money and don’t be concerned as it is someone else’s problem. barry proved that when he ran out on the check so many times when he was with the choom clowns in Hawaii

    • macgyver1948

      J… Nice fantasy you have there. I see you think you know Obama and his mother personally and you know what she wanted for him. Good for you when you say with authority “He was raised by his mother to believe two things…”.
      Maybe as a president Obama is working to help the non affluent in his attempts to help all citizens and not only the affluent and the big corporations as the Right is doing. Isn’t that kind of help Obama is working for what the Christian Messiah Jesus would do?

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