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Legislation Still Under the Radar Would Devastate U.S. Gun Ownership Rights

September 30, 2009 by  

Legislation Still Under the Radar Would Devastate U.S. Gun Ownership Rights

And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.–President Barack Obama in San Francisco at a 2008 fundraiser.

While high profile issues like passage of a healthcare reform bill and cap and trade energy tax are getting front page headlines and top billing by television talking heads, be very wary of stealth legislation slowly working its way through Congress to restrict gun ownership.

Passage of either of two bills, HR 45 (also known as Blair-Holt Firearm Licensing and Record Sale Act of 2009) and S 1317, would be a devastating blow to Second Amendment rights.

HR 45, introduced by Rep. Bobby Rush, would make it illegal to own a gun unless you are fingerprinted and can provide a driver’s license and Social Security number.

Additionally under HR 45, a person buying a gun would have to undergo both a physical and mental evaluation before making a firearm purchase. It also would require guns be secured from access by children under age 18, and would empower law enforcement officers to come into your home to check compliance.

S 1317, introduced by Sen. Frank Lautenburg, would give the attorney general the right to block gun sales to people on terror watch lists. A third bill, HR 2647, contains a companion clause to S 1317 that gives the attorney general the authority to determine who belongs on terrorist watch lists.

And who are the terrorists? In Obamaworld it’s not the Islamo-fascists flying airliners into buildings, planting improvised explosive devices (IEDs) or strapping bombs to their waists and setting them off in crowded areas.

No, because in Obamaworld, the word terrorism no longer applies to those who were once called terrorists. And those who used to be considered terrorists no longer commit acts of terrorism. No they commit man-caused disasters. The word terrorist, at least in its past usage, has been dropped from the lexicon.

Today’s terrorists, according to those now in power in the United States, are people in flyover country who believe the Constitution is sacrosanct, and that the Second Amendment actually means that people are free to own guns without restriction.

Our own country’s Department of Homeland Security issued an assessment earlier this year warning law enforcement of a possible rise in home-grown terrorism from “right wing extremists.” And who are those rightwing extremists? The assessment tell us: “Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”

As we’ve reported before in related stories here and here the current administration is no friend to gun owners.

And what does Eric Holder—attorney general for the United States and the person who would under S 1317 be granted the authority to determine who belongs on terrorist watch groups—think about guns?

Following are few of his quotes that have appeared in various newspapers over the last few years:

  • “As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons.”
  • “The second amendment does not protect firearms possession or use that is unrelated to participation in a well-regulated militia.”
  • “To further strengthen the ability of law enforcement officials to track those suspected of terrorism or other criminal acts in this country, Congress should also pass legislation that would give the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms a record of every firearm sale.”

Holder’s boss, the president, is equally unfriendly to gun owners. Writing for Gun Digest last October, gun lobbyist Richard A. Pearson called Obama an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. You can read his article here.

Some of Obama’s own quotes, as they have appeared in various publications, will back this up:

  • “I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.”
  • “I am not in favor of concealed weapons. I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”
  • “The package (legislation passed in the Illinois Senate) closes the Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card loopholes which resulted in the shooting out in Melrose Park. We’re eliminating 17 specific assault weapons. There is no reason why anybody should need an assault weapon to protect themselves or their family. We’re limiting handgun sales to one a month. We’re calling for handgun registration. It’s very hard right now to track whether or not a felon has turned in his weapons or if he has a FOID card because we don’t know how many weapons he has purchased.”

Without a doubt, the current administration is the most anti-gun administration in our nation’s history. Don’t let the hullabaloo over healthcare and cap and trade cause you to let your guard down.

And be sure you cling to your guns and religion. They may soon be all you have.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • DaveH

    A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
    The first step in gun-control is registration.
    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
    Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
    gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens
    SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
    SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!
    With guns, we are ‘citizens.’
    Without them, we are ‘subjects’.

    • SB

      I believe in the restriction of assault weapons, but it should stop there. Gun ownership should be protected; gun ownership is not the problem.

      We kill more of each other every year than any other country. A man in Texas gets away with shooting and killing two unarmed men in the back with a shotgun in broad day light because they broke into his neighbor’s house. They were NO threat to him, they were running away.

      It’s not the guns, it’s us, it’s our society.

      When it comes to the question of terrorism, here’s a little fact for you. Two of the three worst terrorist attacks to occur on US soil were domestic, Oklahoma City and a little known attack that occurred shortly after the end of the Civil War. A Southern Sympathizer planted a bomb aboard a river boat carrying decommissioned unarmed Union Soldiers killing over 1500 men. This event, short of 9-11 was the worst terrorist attack on the US in our history. Terrorist attacks, whether they be from domestic of foreign sources should be guarded against as long as it does not affect our constitutional rights. That is part of the price we pay, at least theoretically, for being a free country.

      Our freedom must be protected now from those that claim they are protecting us.

      • Zach

        In response to SB. The second amendment is there to give us, citizens, the protection to keep firearms and form militias. If the our leaders arm soldiers with assault weapons, then it stands to reason we should have them as well. The Founding Fathers wanted to ensure this new form of government had checks and balances, empowering the citizens is one of those checks.

        • Doc

          Thanks Zack,
          On 9/30/09 Zack posted a vary short and sweet statement. Not only do I agree, but I would like to say it in even shorter statements.
          One: “We are all responsible for our own security.” And Two: “Only the Paranoid survive” (I got that quote off the Psych. Unit Wall, lol).
          Let us not forget, if the Second Amendment is lost; the ability to maintain the other Amendments is lost with it.
          “Doc”

          • Desktoparchitecture

            Never regioster a gun and always purchase the gun from an untracable source.

        • John Law

          To Zach et al,

          I think all of us (including school children and other citizens) should re-read the Declaration of Independence. I’m going to quote a couple of short sentences just to remind ourselves why We “separated” from the mother country (England).

          Para 2: We hold these Truths to be self-evident the all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness–That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it….

          Would someone please tell me how We can alter or abolish a Government which becomes destructive if We are unarmed? My answer to my destructive government is Hell NO! I won’t let you destroy my country that my fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers put themselves in harms way to keep my country free for me and for you!

          You do not have the authority to enter our homes and search and confiscate private weapons. And to those who think that assault weapon bans are ok, if you don’t have an “assault weapon” how are you going to keep the government from coming for you.

          There are more of Us than of them in D.C. Keep strong, keep alert, and don’t let them get away with any more registration and restrictions on ownership of weapons to keep ourselves safe from them. That is what the Founding Fathers really meant, no matter what Holder says.

          The Ghoul

          • Pat

            The reason there is a separate amendment regarding gun rights is so politicians would make no mistake about this being a solid uninfringable right that they could neither limit or take away from us. The federal government is fond of using the interstate commerce provision for everything under the sun when in reality it had one purpose only (and it sure wasn’t gun control or for that matter health care).

      • Scot

        There is absolutely no difference mechanical wise between an semi-auto assualt weapon and a semi-auto hunting rifle. Fully auto Assault rifles you can not get anyways without extensive background checks. So the argument assualt weapons should be banned holds no water. Statistically it holds no water either. The whole assualt weapons are evil campaign really did a number on how ill-informed non-gun carrying civilians are.

        • JeffH

          Scot, the AR-15 is rapidly becoming one of he most popular hunting rifles and target guns. Too many times guns get classified “assault weapons” just by their appearance, not by their functionality.
          Our legislators have less knowledge about guns than the average gun owner yet, like so often happens, decide they are the experts on the subject. Legislators “always” know what is better for you than you do.

          • Michael J.

            JeffH, While the legislators you speak of are indeed ignorant when it comes to knowledge of firearms (especialy the lefties), calling semi-auto weapons “asault weapons” is not ignorance but instead a calculated strategic move. Their intention is to demonize these weapons in order to fufill their goals of civilian disarmament. First the semi auto weapons, then handguns, then shotgons, then pee shooters until we are completely defensless against their black helicopters mounted with infra red heat seeking dual chainguns. And they will know just where to find us after the 2010 census because everyone will have attached to their name a GPS cordinate.

          • JeffH

            …and I just received my Del-Ton 20″ flat top rifle kit today, I’m juiced. I have everything to make it “California Legal” including an “off list” CMMG receiver. I also have aquired over 1200 rounds of .223 ammo and a 3.5-10 x 50mm scope. I’m looking forward to finishing the build so I can get ready to eliminate some of the “varmints” that cause us folks out in the country so much grief!

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, why do you think Obama signed the bill authorizing us to carry a loaded gun in a park? Why would he sign that, it he was trying to take away our guns? Just wondering what your thoughts are on this.

          • JeffH

            He was just “throwin’ the dog a bone”.

          • Skipfoss

            JeffH the people that try to cut assault weapons use tis because these are the weapons our troops use in war and they can use more lies about these being far more dangerous becase they have to have special training to use these guns than you do to use a shot gun or pistol. Also as you said most of the people no nothing about the subject they are ranting about,most of the rant is caused by fear,the fear that if we are armed that we may finally get tired of their BS and stand up against them with weapons to add emphasis to our complaints

        • JAMES

          Well said Scott. It is the strong, law-abiding character of the average American as well as the strength of our Constitution that will always matter, in any scenario. All guns are things…without mind or will. Politicians, on the other hand, do have mind and will. The greatest concern for American society is to have politicians elected who set their minds and wills to upholding the Constitution and strengthening the rights of our citizenry…which includes the right to bear arms…any and all.

          • JeffH

            JAMES…sorry I missed reading your post earlier, but your comments are very true. Well said!

      • C Lee

        Ok but think about what you just said. You said banning assult weapons is ok. What are you going to defend yourself with then, pistols (close range) or maybe shot guns again ( close range) or maybe a hunting rifle ( limited number of shots ). Meanwhile the people you are defending yourself against dont give a rats ass about obeying the law so they are using assult weapons. If we allow our weapons to be taken away what are we going to defend ourselves with, maybe rocks. I would say there are a lot of people out there that would like to see us defenseless. Well I for one will never be defenseless or a victom.

      • Frank D. Benton

        Having been trained in the U.S. Military, we were trained to never relinquish our weapon at any time voluntarily. And that goes for anyone demanding you turn it over to the requester.
        If you are covered by weapons from others = turn the weapon over or die. Simple, yes????

        • Gerald Marquardt

          No i would give my ammunition first then they will just have to kill me!!!!!!

      • dell

        I guess your logic behind restrictions to assault weapons is…… Ok I don’t know what it is. But imagine for a moment that I ran you over with a fully loaded cement truck and killed you. Now, imagine I ran you over with a 1979 Pinto and killed you. Will the cement truck kill you more? My point is it doesn’t matter what kind of gun you carry. It only matters how you carry it and for what purpose. Now I not trying to be hateful towards you in any way. I am only trying to get you to see the fault in your logic. Assault rifles or no more of a threat than a single shot 22 in the hands of someone devious. As far as the guy shooting someone in the back leaving the scene of a crime. How would you feel if these too criminals were climbing out of your window after having their way with your wife or worse yet your baby girl. This Texan may have not been in any immediate danger from these two himself, but he have very well save a young lady from something too horrific to describe later on in their criminal careers.

      • Rod

        Trouble with people like SB is: He or she wants the government to wipe his nose for him or her. They want somebody to lay them down in bed at night and pat their little heads and tell them a bedtime story.

        • S. Smith

          I am not use to blogs/comments regarding guns, so when I started reading the comments I was shocked to see how civil people are here! Is this typical of arms-bearing Americans? You should be proud! The Dems blogs/comments on anything are full of foul language and completely mean-spirited. Enough about that.
          I am a great-grandmother who has never liked guns. Until now. This administration has made me understand the importance of owning guns and I plan to get one immediately. I don’t even have a TV, so I don’t watch FOX, but the info I get on the internet is enough to make me feel like I am living in Germany in the early ’30′s. Yesterday, for the first time in my life, I had a fleeting moment of fear of my government. I just can’t believe this is happening to my beloved country.
          Now to figure out what kind of gun to buy.

          • http://2SAsisters.org S Boes

            Dear Ms. Smith:

            If you are anywhere in the Union, but especially in the West, you can look around for a chapter of Second Amendment Sisters – they will have good ladies who can help you pick the right weapon for you AND give you the training you need to use it properly, plus help with any paperwork that you might need (even in Western states there are some states that demand that). Go to either 2ASisters.org or 2ASisters.net, or send me an e-mail at liberty.ritter -AT- gmail.com and let me know what state you are in, and I’ll send you contacts.

          • JeffH

            You have good logic. Follow the advice of S Boes as she is a true American and obviously a very smart lady.
            These blogs both sides can get nasty at times, but for the most part some make their statements with accuracy and thought. There may be a lot of rhetoric thrown out here but it is the “Bottom Line” that is most important of all.
            Do not be afraid, no matter who may try to persuade you, to look into researching and contributing or joining a pro-Second Amendment organization. You don’t even have to make monetary donations to have an impact on preserving our 2nd Amendment rights.

            Good luck!

          • keithehlert

            i would recommend a .38 super revolver or a .357 snub nose or if your budget affords it a glock 10mm compact.

          • http://guncontrol Eileen Barayasarra

            S. Smith, I like my little purse gun. It is an “Airweight” by Smith and Wesson, it does not make my purse so heavy that I can not carry it. It shoots a .357 and some other caliber. It does not hurt my arthritic hands and it shoots a tight little pattern on a target. I used it to run a home invader out of my house in 2005. I was 66 years old and he was 24 and resembled Mike Tyson, except he was Mexican, not Black. He was high on methamphetamine and a big fellow. His own daddy told me over at the courthouse that if I had not had the pistol his son would surely have killed me. When someone tells me they are THINKING ABOUT getting a gun, I tell them if I was still THINKING ABOUT getting one, I would be dead now. GET ONE! Take a course in shooting it and caring for it. My friend Barbara was murdered in her own home by a drug addict who came in to rob her. She screamed, so he killed her. If only she’d been armed! Thomas Bendoraititis- – -HOW DID YOU GET TO THIS PLANET??!!! GO BACK!!

          • GoAskAlice

            Glaringly obvious plant.

      • DarylG

        What kind of assualt weapons are you refering to? The class III (full automatic) weapons that can only be owned with a class III license or the many semi auto clones that are used for sporting hunting in some cases ( ranch preditor )or any one of many legit uses? Where does it state what kind of weapon we can and cant own? Like far to many you have injected personal desires into a document instead what is actually in that document. That is the biggest virus behind every problem we suffer today! Please remember a conservative reads a document for what is there a liberal reads that document for what could be.

        • denniso

          daryl
          you don’t think you should have any limits on what type of guns you can own. You would have no problem than, w/ your neighbor having nuclear tipped artillery shells, mortar rounds, rocket propelled nuclear grenades..how about actual atomic bombs? are those ‘arms’ that your overly glorified constitution allows you?
          Excuse me, I should have said ‘nucular’,like your NRA buddy Bush,so you and your comrades would uderstand.

          • Michael J.

            Denniso, First of all, it’s your constitution as well whether you like it or not. I suggest you read it and most especially the 2nd amendment and then maybe you would be able to derive an answer to your own questions.

          • JeffH

            Open mouth and insert foot! The only sense you have is in you pocket!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Atta girl, bring in Bush and ridicule him, because thats all you got. Do you have something against his Texas accent? Im from Indiana, and I dont. I dont think people from the south are uneducated because of their “come back, y’all.” Most are smarter than those in the North. Dont be so judgemental on people because of the way they talk. Very unbecoming of you.

          • cr747

            Denniso, sounds and looks to me like you need to go back to school and learn how to spell, and learn a little more history. Been a NRA Life Member for 37 years, and if it wasn’t for them, you would probably be knocked off by now from an idiot that disobeys all laws, which are going to have firearms no matter what the cronies do in Washington about the 2nd amendment. Better thank the NRA for fighting for our 2nd amendment rights so that we the people can protect ourselves. George Bush was far better President than the idiot we got in there now. He’s the laugh of the century.

          • J C

            The NRA is America’s Homeland Security, at least the one with America’s well being in mind. You can bash them all you want but in the end…if Germany had had an NRA they would never have had a Hitler. So sign up now and join with some “moral” Americans. Never, Ever, let yourself be disarmed.

          • http://PersoalLiberty.com Ernest Humphries

            Our right to bear arms was written into our constitution because the drafters of this document knew what a corrupt government can do. If you want to control,not govern the first thing you do is disarm the society.They were smart enough to place these safeguards in this document. If they take automatics, then it will semi automatics and then all of the others.This administration has attacked more of our rights and freedoms than any other President in American history.I don’t know where you are from or where you have been. But people better wake up. Guns dont kill any more than does an automobile. it’s people who misuse them. Should we all ride bokes too?

      • Rodger

        “I believe in the restriction of assault weapons, but it should stop there.”
        “We kill more of each other every year than any other country. A man in Texas gets away with shooting and killing two unarmed men in the back with a shotgun in broad day light because they broke into his neighbor’s house. They were NO threat to him, they were running away.”
        Both statements from your reply.
        First off, if the anti-gun groups ever get that much a foothold on the banning of the assault weapons they would never stop there !!
        I say bravo for the person that defended his neighbors property ! Stop and think what America would be like if the criminals knew they might die at the hands of a neighbor if they got caught breaking into ANY PLACE NOT THEIRS ! More people should look out for their neighbor ! And with deadly force if necessary !
        Statistics prove that criminals almost always have a list of things they have done to society against the law, but never got caught at.
        Look at Australia now with their gun laws. The criminals know they can go into anyone’s home almost without the fear of being hurt by the homeowner!! Maybe a sharp knife…. But there are now people trying to outlaw knives in this country!!!!
        For God’s sake,,,,, Be on one side or the other!! Not wishey washey somewhere in between !!
        Either you have your rights or you don’t!!! Not part way !!

        • Paul M. R.

          Is “Justice” for a Murder 1 year in the pen? How about 10? 20? 30? The way I see it, just like back in the good ol’ day’s when parents brought their children to these events to show them if they caused harm what would happen. These “Murderers” should be HUNG ON PUBLIC TELEVISION to show WE DO NOT CONDONE MURDER! If you kill, you should be killed. If you rape, you should lose your ding ding. If you steal, yes, you should lose your hand. That is the ONLY way to make it widespread that “I care about MY people, I care about MY country, and you have rights but you have to respect others rights!” If you do not respect others rights, do not expect your rights to be respected by respectful/respectable peoples.

          I’m Paul, I’m 21, and I was raised in areas of Michigan and Georgia where crime and violence are prevalent. I stick up for MY people, they stick up for me too. I have never caused harm to a person, I have never stole from a person and/or business, as a matter of fact the only illegal action I have ever par-took in was smoking Marijuana (or Marihuana in the state of Michigan, even spell checker has underlined it ;-) and I face $465 in fines, six months of probation and other little things such as “You are not to be (so broadly put) NEAR a person whom possesses and Illegal substance.” Ok, so if I’m down by the beach and a couple of people are smoking on a J, a police officer is walking behind me the whole way so he knows I’m not with these people, he busts them and then arrests me too because I’m “near” these people whom possess drugs? I don’t even know them officer! “Well, you should have stayed home!” Heh, I do not think so buddy!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            It is this way, because the marijuana smoker is an easy mark for law enforcement and the courts. They nail you. For some reason, which totally eludes me, rapists, child molesters, and sometimes even murderers, are given less sentence time than that of someone caught with dope. Our Penal system is broken, and that is why crime is so high, and more the reason for one to own a gun. I fully believe that if when caught in the act with murder, one should be put to death. If they rape or molest, I agree, off with that member. If they are caught stealing, off with the hand. You and I both know that these career criminals keep doing these crimes, because all they get is a slap on the hand for it. Most these guys have no home, no job, no permanent address, and since the system has nothing to get from them, they let them go, so they repeat crimes again and again and again. Step up the punishment and it will stop.

      • Rodger

        SB,,,, Do you really understand what an assault weapon is ?? Most people don’t, but there are those that are trying to classify every weapon used in a war or by any army as an assault weapon. Just for one example the “03-A3 30.06 Springfield rifle used in WWII is probably one of the most customized hunting rifles around. It is used widely still today! But it was originally designed for war ………..
        Now,,,,,,where do you draw a line ??????? There should be no line !!

      • BOE

        To SB I agree with every thing you said except about the man in Texas. Two THUGS broke into his neighbors house which he happened to be watching. If we all looked after each other in our own neighborhood,and the thugs know we are looking and have guns…well maybe they will find another line of work. Instead of breaking into our houses and stealing what we have worked for,raping and killing widow elderly people,creating terror in our own homes. We have had enough of THUGS…and they better beware because we girls are arming ourselves.

        • American Citizen

          I think I draw the line at grenades and cannons. Too much collateral damage.

          • theRiponRepublican

            The 2nd Amendment says “arms”, not pistols, not rifles, not shotguns, not muskets. “Arms.” If some DC budget lists Stealth bombers or hydrogen bombs under “arms”, then the government has knowingly ratified my right to bear those items…. ©2009

      • Bob

        Hey SB, do you know the workings of steam technology which was the driving force used to propel the SULTANA? As surely as a plane will plummet to the earth for lack of fuel, A steam boiler will explode for lack of water.Could this be the reason you chose to omit the name of the vessel on which this tragedy occurred.

      • Michael

        If a person gets shot for burglary, theft, breaking into someone’s home, well he chose to make himself a target. Getting shot for being a thief is an occupational hazard. If you don’t want to risk getting shot, then choose another line of “work.”

      • nolan

        SB:
        What, exactly, do the incidents you refer to have to do with firearms?
        By your own description, the two domestic incidents were bombs! 9/11 was an airplane, for cryin’ out loud! I understand the article mentions terrorism, but only in the context of the current administration re-defining words, like “Tax”, as they see fit.
        Further, the idea of a militia is for the citizenry to maintain a free state against an oppressive government. It is the ultimate in checks and balances. If you knew your history, you’d easily see that societies which are disarmed become the most oppressed or crime-ridden. Dave H’s post is pretty enlightening, and I wonder what the final toll will be in Iran, another country with unarmed citizens! Like N. Korea! Most people would say theat can’t happen here, we’re too… fill in the blank. But what do you think this country would look like in twenty-five to fifty years without a truly free citezenry? Please don’t say it won’t happen here, many have tried ( and succeded piecemeal) and are still trying to impose Draconian, opressive, and regressive laws which have done nothing but chip away at individual liberty, all because they think they know what’s best.
        Europe refers to it’s growing crime rate as “American Conditions”! The evidence points to crime being reduced with the passage of “shall-issue” laws. That info is all over the web, so I won’t link, but you’ll find it in a matter of minutes.
        In saying “It’s us!”, you ignore the fact that homicide is down 28% since 1979. For accidental deaths, firearms account for 0.8% of all accidental deaths in ’02 behind medical complications 3.1%, drowning 3.9%, poisoning 13%, falls 17.8% and, ready for this, motor vehicle accidents 44.3%!
        As apercentage of workplace fatalaties, firearms don’t even register behind fires/explosions at 3% In the 90′s, firearms were7th after what the study called “Medical misadventures”.
        The site I printed from is http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html
        Sorry it’s not a proper link, but this is an old article I printed, plus I’m not savvy enough to know how to link properly. I’m learnin’ though.
        Another study of the leading causes of death for all ages puts firearms behind septicemia and renal failure at 1.2% in ’02, though the stats show firearms surpassing those depending on the age group.
        http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html, but the study was conducted by theNational Vital Statistics Report, Vol. 50, No. 15Sep. 16, 2002.
        I digress, though.
        The last line of your post begs the question, “How”? Without some serious deterrent, what’s to protect us from those who claim to be protecting us?
        Personally, I’d park an M1A2 Abrams and F-22 Raptor in my garage, if they weren’t cost-prohibitive!

        • keithehlert

          i do beleive a concrete bunker w a 20mm orklon sticking out of the embrasure would send a clear message to any would be evildoers!

        • John J.

          You estimated that a US without our Constitutional freedoms wouldn’t last 25 to 50 years; My take on that is that it wouldn’t last two and a half to five years.

          This Congress and Administration today are hell-bent on changing this Country into a Communist third world state.

      • Ron Whaley

        “I believe in the restriction of assault weapons, but it should stop there. Gun ownership should be protected; gun ownership is not the problem.”

        Please define “Assualt Weapon”. If I use a knife to attack and kill would that be an “Assualt Weapon”? I agree with we need regulations and laws but the problems are they are writing more and more laws in an attempt to disarm us all in America. Enforce the laws that are in place and stop making more laws. Stop trying to totally disarm us and adhear to the Constitution as it is. In another word “Leave our guns alone Government” along with our healt care and on and on and on.

      • Michael J.

        SB, Your recolection of the Texas man shooting two burglars does not jive with the facts. These two previously convicted criminals from Colombia entered the country illegally and were members of an organized burglary ring in Houston. When Mr.Horn witnessed them leaving his neighbors house and then proceeded to approach Mr. Horn on his own property with $2,000.00 cash and jewelry, Mr.Horn ordered the two men to, “stop or your dead”. The two men did not heed Mr. Horn’s warning and were shot as they approached him on his own property. Mr. Horn was exonerated of any charges in a Texas court.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          As well as he should be. Unfortunately, some other states like to protect the guilty victim and screw the real victim. I believe it was Wisconsin, but Im not sure anymore, where a guy broke into a church and stole a bunch of stuff and took it up on the roof, and decided to take a break and sat down on a skylight and fell through it and got hurt, broken legs or something like that. The courts there found the church guilty of having an unsafe skylight and let the guy sue them for like 50 thousand dollars. What a joke. The guy should have been put in jail, and made to pay for the damages. I know too many policemen here in Indiana that are getting frustrated, because they arrest these criminals and watch the lawyers and judges, who are all in cahoots with each other, release these guys the next day, especially the big drug dealers and such that you and I both know are paying off the lawyers and judges. Maybe someday at the present rate, people are going to get tired of it, and these judges and lawyers are going to start getting shot at. Maybe thats why these politicians want to control hand guns. Hmm. Thats a thought.

      • Neil

        In response to SB’s comment “I believe in the restriction of assault weapons”. By definition, an “assault weapon” is selective fire, meaning it can fire full auto. These weapons are very expensive, and very difficult to obtain (in the states that allow them). What they are trying to ban semi-automatic COPIES of assault weapons. As many have already said, the anti-gunners’ definition of an assault weapon is purely COSMETIC. Additionally, the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms for DEFENSE, the so-called semi-automatic “assault weapons” are actually ideal for this purpose. During the 1992 riots, the few businesses that went unscathed (and owners/employees not attacked by looters) were those who stood on the roof of their businesses with so-called “assault weapons.”

        Don’t worry, when Obama, Bloomberg, Feinstein and the rest of the gun grabbers take my “assault weapons”, they will come after your “scoped sniper rifle”.

      • http://meanjoegreen59.wordpress.com Joe Green

        You, fool don’t you know that re-installing the so-called Assault Wapons ban is just the first step in these left-wing liberal socialist-communist gun control plans. They want all guns out of citizens hands.
        Answer this question: What is an assault weapon? A semi-automatic rife is not, I repeat an Assault Weapon. Assault Weapons are automatic and used my the military and police
        WE MUST RESIST ALL EFFORTS TO CONTROL OUR FREE SPEECH AND GUNS.
        BUY ALL THE AMMO YOU CAN BEFORE THE PRICE GOES UP. I AM.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Ill tell you what. I dont even own a gun, but if these wankers get their laws instituted that they want to make it illegal, I will go get me two of them illegally, just like the criminals do, because if they are made illegal, the criminals are going to have a field day because its going to be open season on everyone for them. The guns will still be there, we will just have to get them illegally like the criminals do. I mean heck, even though they are legal now, over 90 percent of the criminals have theirs illegally. Its not going to stop them from having guns, so I dont know why people think for one minute it will reduce crime. It will escalate it like never ever seen before.

          • http://msn Jake

            You are 100% right!! “They” know that, but do not care. Their mission is gaining all the power over the people (you and me). They don’t care about the criminals. They are one!! Just look at Great Britin and Australia. The private sector no longer have the right to gun ownership and the crime in those countries has more than doubled! WAKE UP AMERICANS! This is going to be a fight for our lives, liberties, and persuit of happiness.

      • keithehlert

        the judge that aquitted that man ought to be given a public service award as well as the man who downed the two scum bags!!

      • http://meanjoegreen59.wordpress.com Joe Green

        What is an Assault Weapon? Semi-Automatic rifles are not, I repeat, not Assault Weapons. Assault type weapons are only used by the military and police and already illegal. Assault Weapon is a term used by the government and media as another way to restrict our 2nd Ammendment Rights. Don’t fall for it. Stand up for all our Gun Rights!!!!!!!!!!!

      • GeorgeS

        A restriction on assault weapons basically negates the intent of the second amendment.

        A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

        The intent of the amendment is to guarantee your ability to protect and defend your natural rights, freedoms and liberty from a tyrannical government.

        With that in mind and the current state of weaponry in the government arsenal, Any restriction would be a guarantee of your inability to protect your liberty.

      • Gary Cody

        SB:
        You believe the ban on “assault” rifles is OK? Sorry, but I could not disagree more. Once you open the door, believe me, this “president” and the band of thugs who are surrounding him, will not stop there. Then we get down to what eric holder wants to define as an “assault” rifle.
        On the contrary, I see no reason why there should be a ban on any gun made, including, and in particular, full auto M-16′s and the like.
        When we start talking about guns, and the control of, there seems to be the argument from the left that gun control equates to less crime. But, on the contrary, statistics show the opposite is true.
        The fact is, just like everything the left does, this is not about reducing crime through gun control which is the argument they always present. In reality, it is all about CONTROL and POWER.
        And the reason they see the 2nd as a threat is that they have a lot more BIG GOVERNMENT (ie, POWER AND CONTROL) planned for us.
        Live Free or Die Trying

      • US Army retired

        SB, Obviously you buy into the “black rifle” BS. I’m retired after 23 years of military service to “protect and defend” the US Constitution and nowhere in that document can I find anything that justifies your statement about restricting so-called “assault rifles”. I own and enjoy using well over 30 rifles and numerous handguns. Some of my rifles would be so-called “assault weapons”. NONE of them has ever “shot” anything without a person pulling the trigger. In and of themselves they are no different than any other tool that I use. As Thomas Jefferson once stated; “NO freeman shall ever be denied the use of arms.” If you wish to take some of my legally owned arms from me remember the quote “From my cold dead fingers.”

        “You never ever, ever, ever need a gun, until you need one.”
        “An armed society is a polite society.”

        • Roland Tibbs

          Here is something that you all might find interesting it is from Hitlers book Mein Kampf,it sounds like our current leaders playbook for the game they are in,>
          Mein Kampf:706 “The great speaker will repeat his message so often, with so many examples, he will overcome objections and refute them before they are even raised.” Bukhari:V6B60N662 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Some eloquent speech is as effective as magic.’”

        • dan of arizona

          gun control is a steady aim and squeeze the trigger fits all guns come and get mine one bullet at a time

      • GunzRfun2

        No restrictions on weapons (firearms). Just because “I” don’t like Shotguns dosen’t mean that you can’t have one. I finally went into the 21 century and bought an AR15 (ooooh “Black and scary”) “assult rifle”. If you think about it, almost every rifle invented from the “matchlock” to the Electric Gatling Gun has been or could have been classified as an “Assult” weapon. From the Springfield ’03, The M1 Gerand or more. IT AIN’T THE GUN PEOPLE, IT’S THE PERSON WITH THEIR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER.

      • VN Vet

        First, assault weapons were outlawed in 1934. The guns they’re trying to outlaw today are semi-auto firearms that only resemble assault weapons in their asthetics. They function no differently than any other semi-auto sporting arm.

        Second, show me the 19th century river boat that will hold 1500 persons. Further, that 1500 were killed means that there had to be even more aboard, since some would have had to survive. You’re an idiot. Not hard to blow smoke up your arse. But even if it were possible to have happened, that you would use it to diminish today’s actual terrorism against civilians, says everything we need to know about you. Go screw yourself!

      • Alex

        This line of thinking is very skewed. How can you call confederates terrorists. Hindsight being 20/20 isn’t it obvious they were acting in this countries best interest. Jim McVeigh may very well been set up. The real threat to our country is unsecured borders, multiple languages wich water down nationalism, and the distruction of our christian culture! Guns especially assault weapons should be in every home.

      • Greg

        SB, your history is a bit clouded about the bomb on a riverboat that killed Union soldiers returning home after the Civil War. You are surely referring to the sinking of the Sultana, however, the cause of the sinking was that the boat was in very poor condition and was grossly overloaded. A boiler exploded due to its poor maintenance and the extreme load it was carrying. Had the boat not been so overloaded the loss of life would have been far less. It was not the work of a Southern sympathizer. Are you also one of the deluded masses who actually thinks the war was fought to free the slaves? Nothing could be further from the truth. In the Civil War, for the most part, the only terrorism was committed by the likes of Northerners such as Sherman, Grant, and Lincoln who defied the law and the Constitution to invade the South and leave a trail of death and destruction which touched soldier and civilian alike. Heck, we weren’t even as ruthless to the Germans and Japanese in WWII as we were to the people of the South.

      • independant thinker

        “I believe in the restriction of assault weapons,”

        SB……………….An assault weapon as currently defined by the anti-gunners is any seme-auto rifle or pistol. That would include your grand fathers antique Browning semi-auto shotgun, your semi-auto 22 rifle you shoot for fun or use as a squirrl rifle, and your semi-auto pistol you use for personal protection.

        The term “assault weapon” was invented by the anti-gunners for just this purpose. A true assault rifle is defined as one using a small caliber bullit capable of firing either semi-auto or full auto (usualy burst fire).

    • JeffH

      As Americans, it is important to recognize the realities as well as the myths. The realities of this article is that the anti-gun advocates will continue to attack your right to own guns by any means possible. The myth is that Americans, more than ever, will allow that to happen. Obama, Holder, Feinstein and their anti-gun supporters are dedicated to strip you of your constitutional protection. They, along with billionaires Mayor Bloomberg, George Soros, and a host of others see the armed peace loving citizens as carriers of death, and a threat to their phycopathic desire to control others and their need for power.
      Obama’s anti-gun voting record is very clear. He has a perfect record of supporting anti-gun measures and legislation that he cast a vote on. I’ll repeat, 100%. Diane Feinstein is an evil witch that legaly carries a concealed handgun, but beleives that no one else has that right. During the push to make the SKS illegal, she stood in front of the press holding an AK47, referring to it as an SKS. They don’t know what they are even talking about at times. Like the blind leading the blind.
      When will the anti-gun group come to the realization that gun control does not stop criminals from using guns in crimes they commit.
      This is a freedom I will refuse to lose.
      If you want my guns, you’ll have to pry them from my cold dead hands.

      • JeffH

        In referance to some bills that have been submitted and rejected, do not think for one second that they are dead. There will always be those that will, “chip away” piece by piece, The Second Amendment and what it means to every citizen in America.

      • C Lee

        I agree with what Jeff H says. I would also like to add I am a former police officer from a small southern police dept, and sometthing that the Chief of that dept said to me 30 years ago has stayed with me to this day and I believe it stronger today than ever. He told me that as a police officer my job was not to protect every citizen in our city because that would be a physical impossibilty. My job was to clean up the mess and bring the guilty to justice. Today as a private citizen I realize that its my responsability to protect myself from being a victem. And as Jeff H put it they will have to pry my guns from my cold dead hands. I owe my family that much. Thanks for listening and thanks for this forum so I can exspress this and also see that I am not alone.

        • JeffH

          Thank you for your support.

        • msrebel54

          For C Lee:

          Your former job description should have been “peace officer” and not necessarily “law enforcer”. If I have not harmed anyone else, or anyone else’s property, or there is no imminent threat that I will do so, then as far as I’m concerned, no crime has been committed.

        • Al A.

          I’m an old retired copper, too, and agree with you 110%. I’d like to think that our brother officers would not enforce anything as blatantly unconstitutional as firearms confiscation. But, we have to realize this new generation of law enforcement officers were “educated” in our liberal system where no guns are good guns. I was continually surprised by the number of new officers, male and female, who were afraid of their weapons and carried them only because they were required. Please, people, don’t think that it can’t happen here in the good old USA, because it can. We have to be vigilant, pro-active, and refuse to let it happen at all costs…

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Not only do these left wing liberals not know what they are talking about, they really think we are all stupid, just because their followers are. Its like when Barbara Streisand flew across the country in her private jet, got into an SUV limo, drove across town to the venue the event was at, then went on stage and told people not to drive big SUV’s, to get hybrids and save the ecology, then gets back into the SUV limo, drives to the airport, and flies her jet back home. Yes, they do this crap, and think we are really stupid that we cant add 2 plus 2, just because their followers blindly follow and cant do it.

        • GoAskAlice

          I did not break any of the rules concerning participating in this blog, yet my entire reply was censored, though, it could not have been vaporized because it stated well-written, intelligent debate from an opposing view, as ALL views are “welcome”, just as “some animals are more equal than others”. Is the 1st Amendment not of any concern here?

      • Al A.

        My sentiments exactly…better to die on one’s feet than to live on one’s knees!!!! Let’s keep our eyes and ears open for ANY legislation either on the Federal or State level that restricts our 2nd Amendment rights. With all the hoopla over health care and cap and trade, this is the time the antis may try to sneak something by us under the radar. Groups like the NRA are our watchdogs and need our support more than ever!!

      • dan of arizona

        I guess that allauh oboma needs to remove all the guns so his bros can terrorize all of us with out having to blow them selves up every time.
        there running out of martyrs, if you cant protect your self from a tyranistic government then they win. if we the people are not a informed malitia then the constitution has no meaning.can you imagine how difficult it would be to try to take the arms of 300 million pissed of americans that would be a feat in its self. when the first shot is fired all hell is going to break loose and its not going to be pretty

    • RHSchumann

      This is all nonsense. The second amendment gave us the right to own muzzle loaded rifles and pistols. We will never know if the drafters of this amendment meant for every citizen to own rapid fire or automatic weapons. The second amendment also says nothing about weapons registration. By equating weapons registration with taking away of weapons shows a deep distrust against and hate of our democratic government. Don’t compare us with the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. Even in Germany many citizens had weapons that they lost only after the occupying forces took them away in 1945. And what is wrong with proving that you are a law abiding citizen with a social security card, and not a convicted criminal, mental case, or illegal immigrant? Our laws now permit people to buy thousands of weapons and smuggle them into Mexico to the drug mafia. Unlimited weapons possession by the unqualified and criminal mind make the USA the murder capital of the civilized world. And if it isn’t murder it is manslaughter by people who don’t know how to handle a weapon.

      • JeffH

        RHSchumann..The words you have just written are the words of someone that is ignorant to the years of assault by the anti-gun supporters on gun owners in America. There is gun registration in place to keep the felons and criminals from owning “legaly” aquired guns. Since when are “rocket launchers and machine guns” readily available for purchase by anyone without special licensing. Second, there are not “1000′s of guns being bought in the US and sold to the criminals in Mexico.
        It is very easy to make a judgement based on ignorance and media information. Do some research and then repeat you comments.

        • Who

          This guy probably also thinks that the hand grenades that the drug smugglers are using in Mexico that are made in (North) Korea are to be purchaced at WalMart and then are smuggled into Mexico! The accurate figure is that only about 17% of the guns that the drug smugglers are using in Mexico are from the US. Considering our long and porous border this is really rather low. It is just easier and less expensive for criminals to get their guns elsewhere. Let’s face facts: guns are very widely available to the criminal element throughout the world (Even – especially – in Great Britain!) Let’s even the playing field. Law abideing citizens also need to be armed.

          • dan of arizona

            that 17% number is bs that hillary made up the truth is all of the guns that were counted that didnt have numbers were from the federalies that took up sides with the drug cartels then got killed and all of there guns where on display to show that they were tough on corruption yea right they lied and said that all the guns came from gun stores here in arizona bull sh-t no one can prove that you cant buy m16s full auto here dont beleave every thing you read or hear get the facts

        • Robert

          Jeff, one last point to make. All guns manufactured in the US or for the US must have a serial number versus most other countries that do not. This is why it appears that most of the guns confiscated in Mexico are from the US. In reality, less than 10% of guns that are confiscated in Mexico can be traced to the US. So if Washington wants to enact gun control, let them first go tho the UN and demand that any country producing guns must have a serial number and country of manufacture registered with Interpol. I think that might be a good start. And the US should not have to pony up the money to fund that UN mandate. I wonder what China and Russia’s take on that would be?

      • JeffH

        Where in The Second Amendment is there mention of “muzzle loaders”?

      • JeffH

        QUOTE: Unlimited weapons possession by the unqualified and criminal mind make the USA the murder capital of the civilized world. And if it isn’t murder it is manslaughter by people who don’t know how to handle a weapon.

        Your ignorance is overwhelming…why do you think a “background check and 10 day waiting period” are part of the gun purchasing process?

        Again, do you research!

        • Who

          Background checks are great! Remember that the man who shot up Virginia Tech was cleared by the background check process even though he was not qualified to buy a gun because under HIPAA it is not legal to disclose his mental health history. It is only reasonable that if mental illness disqualifies one from buying or owning guns and background checks are done then any disqualifying medical history needs to be on the NCIC computer for all (including prospective employers and nosy neighbors) who might be able to gain access to the NCIC database to see! This is no more of an invasion of privacy than publishing pictures and identifying information of convicted perverts (Meghan’s law).

          • JeffH

            The FEDS dropped the ball and didn’t complete their JOB!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And if teachers or a janitor or someone at Virginia Tech were allowed to carry a handgun, they could have stopped this guy way before he did all the damage he did. Just a thought.

      • Curt

        The First Ammendement did not see fax machines, internet, telephone, email or movies or cellphones,,,,,When we go back to the town-crier and the quill pen you will have a point,,,and ,,,,You can make this utterly insane argument,,,,,I suppose you are all for the police and military having the very latest in weaponry under Bush,,,,,,,( Kent State anyone?? )…..

        Instead of smoking dope all through history class,,,,,you people should have been taking notes……..

        • cheryl olson

          THANK YOU< CURT!!!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          So Bush is gone for almost a year now, and your still blaming him for your down falls. Amazing.

      • Kevin

        To: RHSchumann,Typical Liberal Op from move on or Media Matters,Your a Misinform Troll and misinterpret the Constitution! i have the right to form a militia and not to be infringed to keep and bear arms Period end of discussion! They can chip and chip and chip ! In the end They will lose! we Have enough common sense laws on the books Go visit the NRA.org GOA, and go to gunsight.com and then wake up Arm your self for you say they control well They control with $ and threats! We are free as ;long as we are Armed and it is my business not yours if I comply and obey the laws it is my duty! I say an Armed Society is a Polite Society Until Jesus Christ Returns,Amen!

        • Lynn

          Kevin… Yes, in 1776 you were given the right to form a militia and not to be infringed to keep and bear arms. Have you formed a militia lately? Have you considered just how well you and your band of Bubba’s would do against a well-armed modern army? Actually, I doubt the best modern militia would stand a chance against a second-rate National Guard unit. YOUR militia just can’t afford the weaponry, the armor and the communications of a modern army, and your second amendment rights will just make you a very bloodied martyr.

          I know history and I agree with the theory, but the second amendment and your right to form a militia just doesn’t work anymore. If you want to make a case to keep your gun(s)… you need to make better arguements. Right now, I don’t know what that argument is, I just know that your’s doesn’t work… the logic doesn’t stand the test.

          By the way, are you really “waiting for Jesus” with a gun in your hand?

          • Earlw

            With all due respect and thanks to our forces, wherever they may be, I have taken notice of the fact that in the various photo/video ops that have been aired, most soldiers appear to be firing blindly over the tops of walls or around corners, without taking much aim at all. Kind of a random scatter-shot way of shooting…It uses far less costly ammo to locate and target an adversary and likely will have a far higher kill ratio.

            Remember, in Vietnam those little guys in black pajamas didn’t have very much in the way of armaments, yet they managed to hold us off fairly well for a number of years..The lesson to be learned is asymmetric warfare is hard to fight with organized troop movement.Patience usually wins out over brute force.

            Of course carpet bombing kills everything in it’s path…We wouldn’t do that here, would we?

          • Rodger

            Hell !! Look what defended the new world against England. Look what a few radicals are doing in Afghanistan against our superior weapons and know how !!
            Not that they are in the right, but still…….
            And not that we would be forced to go that far,,,,, but the government needs to understand that people pushed too far might stand up against their wishes. Unarmed they don’t stand much a chance.
            Obama is trying to prepare this country to blend in with everyone else in the world when he becomes leader of the new world government.
            A dammed “redneck” just don’t fit in there !! He might make waves !
            BE A SUBJECT IF YOU WANT TO,, BUT DO IT IN ANOTHER COUNTRY !!

          • http://personalliberty.com VMax

            Well there are more of us out here that have thought about those things Lynn…I would like to talk to you personally but that isn’t going to happen and I think most of us out here need to go back to reloading anyway. However I for one appreciate you bringing the modern weapons, detection and accuracy into the conversation that we will be facing. Gas masks are cheap so are old flack vests and you know we can take anything off any achieved kill that is better protection than our own equipment. Take all, strip them clean if necessary.

            Max

          • http://personallibertydigest Rob

            I would bet dollars to donuts that if it came down to a showdown of that nature , based on Obama and his puppets trying to take away american rights that a large number of our military would turn on him and join our side of things

          • Gregg
          • mqg25

            It seems like that ragtag militia you are talking about is giving our first rate solders in Afghanistan all sorts of trouble. In fact there are prognosticators in the media and military that are saying we are getting our asses kicked. What you don’t understand is people fighting for something and those who are just doing a job. Firepower is great but it’s tough to fight an enemy who have a cause and who fight using guerrilla tactics. Just ask the Russians in the 80′s and the U.S in the 60′s.

          • Ajo

            It seems you haven’t noticed that a bunch of camel herding farmers in Afghanistan are holding their own pretty well with their pea shooting AK’s. Even strong armies have a tough time subduing the will of the human spirit. No American wants to stand against our army you dope. These are our sons and daughters. We only want our Government to fear us, as they should. Its the only thing that truly keeps liberty alive.
            Scroll up and read DaveH history. Do you really think our government will remain forever beneficent? No country ever has, and ever will. Eventually, to quote Thomas Jefferson, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”.

          • keith

            you need to read up on chechneya and the mujideen in afghanistan and the boars vs the brits and the french resistance in ww-11 or crete or yugoslavia and on and on.how bout nam?obviously you don’t know your history much,do you????

          • JeffH

            quote: “Today, as during the early days of this country, the people are still the militia, in the usage of the word at the time of our founding. The actual purpose of having armed citizens was to guard against an overbearing government. In the inimitable words of our National Spokesperson, Suzanna Gratia-Hupp, when speaking to Senator Schumer and other members of a Senate committee: “The purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect all of us (the people) from all of you (the politicians).”

            We now live in a country that has been promised “Hope and Change” by our new president. Since we have no details of what “hope” and what “change” he was speaking about during the election, the Second Amendment is more important than ever. We must be ever more alert to signs of any government entity trying to erode the God-given and constitutionally enumerated right to keep and bear arms and all other constitutionally guaranteed rights.”

            From: Mari Thompson is President of SAS, and is also one of its founding members.

          • Neil

            Lynn, before you go spouting off on your expertise in Constitutional law, LEARN WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Current US law puts EVERY ABLE BODIED MALE between the ages of 18 and 45 (65 for military veterans) in the militia.

            You don’t think a rag-tag militia can fight even a second rate National Guard? There are many cases in history where armed citizens beat first-rate armies. Some, such as the American Revolution were for the better… Others had an adverse outcome (Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Vietnam).

            We are struggling in TWO insurgencies against militias at this time in Afghanistan and Iraq. If an advanced army can so easily defeat a militia, why are we still fighting those wars? Why wasn’t the Soviet military able to defeat the Afghans?

            Wake up and look through history so you don’t make a fool of yourself!

      • PGO

        YOU have no idea what the original framers meant. Try reading the Federalist Papers. Go on line and find out what the founding fathers say they meant. Then come back and talk to us.

      • dell

        DOES THIS MEEN THAT I CAN HAVE A CANNON? I do believe they had them back then. Come on man what are you thinking. The 2nd amendment is clear. The right to bear arms. It does not mean the right to bear arms only if we don’t mind it!

        • Rod

          The people in Washington that are pushing these bills are the reason
          we have the right to own guns- – - – to protect ourselves from THEM!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thats right, and someone else in here made the point I agree with, that the general populace wouldnt have to take on our military, as our military would be siding with us for the right to bear arms, as our military is not the left wing pacifists appeasers that are in office right now. Our military is true Americans, who know the importance of bearing arms, and believe me, they would fight with us the general population to keep this as such. I know, I was one of them. And once one of them, always one of them.

        • keithehlert

          hmm,i wonder what a 12 pnd iron cannon ball would do a goon squad van!

        • William

          Yes Dell. The 2nd amendment implys that you can own an M1A2 Abrams tank if you can afford it and it’s weapons and ammunition and basically you don’t have to buy it because the 2nd amendment also implys the Federal Government has to supply you with it and the ammunition and give you a place to practice using it. That’s why the Federal Government instituted to National Guard and called it “the Militia”. The Fed doesn’t want to arm the citizen militia and, if you’ve read the Federalist Papers, Thomas Jefferson described the militia as, ” Any citizen not connected to the Federal Government.”. The National Guard is operated by the Fed so it cannot be “the Militia”.

          I mention the A1M2 Abrams because it has a 120 mm cannon (smooth bore) which is not a rifle. The 2nd amendment implys you could own an F15 Strike Eagle and all it’s armaments, supplied by the government, if you wanted to and could afford it.

          I have found that the government’s policy when dealing with it’s citizens is, “Either don’t tell.”, or “If you do, tell them anything. As long as it’s a lie.”.

          “For the first time in history, a civilized country has full registration of of it’s firearms. The streets will be safer…” That was Hitler in 1937. If you know any history you know what happened after that. I talked with a German lady who grew up in those times after Hitler confiscated all the citizen owned firearms. She told me Storm Troopers would kick down doors and take children in their early teens to fight. Nobody could resist because they were unarmed. The children would go and fight because the Storm Troopers would return and murder the child’s family if he refused to fight. She said, “We had no way to resist.”. How ironic that there are people in this country that would allow and even encourage this thing.

          The 2nd amendment was written to keep your Evil Uncle Sam out of your backyard but let me ask anyone who thinks this government wouldn’t make war on it’s citizens. What do you think President Clinton and his ghoul Janet Reno were doing to Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge or the Branch Davidian at Waco where the excuse was to investigate child abuse? The government ended up turning those children into toast! They shot Randy Weaver’s son and dog to death and turned his wife’s skull into a canoe, with a head shot, while she was standing in a doorway holding his infant daughter.

          There will always be someone working for the Fed willing to kill you because a government official named you a Domestic Terrorist.

          And that’s the way it is. The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting or even defending yourself from criminal acts by other citizens. It’s to prevent criminal incursions by the government against it’s citizens. And that’s all folks.

          This is my only post. I will not make another.

        • William

          I lied! One more comment about the government making war on it’s citizens.

          The Civil War is the best example of the Federal Government making war on it’s citizens. The Confederated States were exercising it’s 10th amendment right to secede from the Republic. The Fed renamed itself “the Union” and proceeded to make war on the Southern States. Did you know, President Lincoln was ordered by the Supreme Court, twice, to desist and cease from the war? He ignored the order and it was not prosecuted. The rest is history.

          I agree. Many people who own firearms have no business owning them but those are mainly people who don’t practice regularly or understand what a dangerous tool a firearm can be. They have succumbed to the “Mule Flu”. The real epidemic flu in the US and the world. What’s another name for a mule? Try ass. These are the people who voted in a Communist government into office last November.

        • Screamin’ Freeman

          Yes dell,
          It does mean that you can have a cannon. I have three. 20th,19th and 18th century vintage, but they all work. I ‘touch one off’ at least four times a year. New Years’ Eve, Memorial Day, Independence Day, and Veterans Day, loaded with packed wet newspaper. They use A LOT of either Goex or Elephant brand FFg black powder which is both messy and expensive. My local law enforcement authorities know full well that I have them, and it is NOT a problem for them. Nor should it be, as I am A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN and a PATRIOT.
          When I lived in New York State a few years ago, for a job on Broadway, I took my right to vote with me, leaving my collection of ordnance behind in a sealed, underground vault. As a then constituent of Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), I wrote to him (via snail mail) posing the following question:
          “Senator, after the Nazi holocaust of World War Two, how can ANY JEW be in favor of gun control?”
          I’m STILL waiting for a reply… Think I’ll get one? Me neither… I wonder why?

      • Jeannie

        When you go back up a ways and read the comment referring to “chipping away” – you should rethink what you said. Each time a law is enacted taking ANY of our right away – it leads to losing ALL our rights. No one where I live would think for a second about breaking into my home – they KNOW what they’d be facing. I don’t have to use it, I just have to have it and know HOW to use it. And YES, it CAN and WILL happen here, the annihilation of the citizenry, IF WE ALLOW IT. I’m a muzzle-loader, too, and I know VERY well that if someone attacks me with a modern rifle, I have ONE SHOT with my ML. THAT”S scary. I have children – and grand-children – and I have no husband to “defend” me – I have to take care of myself and my own, and you’d better believe I will.

        • Greg

          Jeannie: You’re my kind of woman. The world needs more like you.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And that knowing you have one shot will 99 percent of the time keep the criminal away. Most criminals are for this gun control, that way they think they will be the only ones with guns.

      • http://yahoo J T

        OK, if you want to play the muzzle loader card…. What are you doing on the computer? or phone, telegram or tv..

        Did our forefathers when they drafted the bill of rights want you to use our tools of communication we have today? Stand outside and wait for the mailman on a horse to send your postage.

      • keith

        daggum,you can’t see the forest for the trees!!!it was’nt about the TYPE of firearms!it was about the average citizens RIGHT to protect himself from tyranny and a abusive government,it was put there as a check to tryanny!FOR the people and BY the people!!!look at the BIGGER PICTURE!they had just thrown off the yoke of a tyrant by the force of ARMS!they wanted to make SURE that WE THE PEOPLE had the means to DEFEND our LIBERTIES by being armed and having the RIGHT to form MILITIAS.they knew what tyranny was!they had seen it.the librals and whackjobs we have in office now FEAR armed and FREE citizens who KNOW their rights as a FREE people and you can bet they are nutty enough to try and do EVERY conceivable ploy and devious tactic they can to dis-arm us,a citizen with a firearm who knows he has the RIGHT to DEFEND HIS RIGHTS is enough to make them shudder as they cannot CONTROL them as they DESIRE to,they KNOW there are thousands and thousands who will DEFEND to their LAST dieing breath their RIGHT to bear arms,and it goes deeper than that,when ONE right is threatened,then ALL of them are threatened.they can’t stand it!they know WE THE PEOPLE are a force to be reckoned with and we PATRIOTS won’t be shut up,silenced,coerced,scared,or back down.
        the control socialist just CAN’T STAND IT!!!!!!the founding fathers are with us and their spirits stand beside us and they whisper,don’t give up your arms,we did’nt!
        god bless the republic and our FREEDOMS,we are the modern day minutemen who despise being controlled and they have forgot what promulgated the bloodshed from 1861-64!sorry to ramble,but i felt i had to get it off my chest!

      • DaveH

        RH,
        Before you tell people they are spouting nonsense, you should educate yourself. The Second Amendment doesn’t say anything about guns. It says “arms”. And the Constitution has provisions for adding Amendments. The Liberals could call at any time for an Amendment to be added to ban certain arms, but they have not because they know that they couldn’t muster the votes. Until that occurs, like it or not, you Liberals are just going to have to accept the bitter pill.

      • http://meanjoegreen59.wordpress.com Joe Green

        You must be a left-wing liberal that thinks the Second Admendment means the government has the right to register guns and later take them away. Ask the people, in New Orleans what happened to their guns when government desided to violate their rights and take them away? I moved from California because of high taxes, bad gun laws and the left-wing socialist government.

      • cr747

        Thanks JeffH, Whosays, and Robert for the statements you 3 made, seems as though RHSchumann doesn’t know much of his history. You 3 stated it very clear and to the point. This guy reminds me of some of the ones in congress that don’t know the difference between a semi-automatic and a machine gun. Kind of dense between the ears.
        Thanks for the articles, I SALUTE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Carl Casino

        RHSch. ” No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms” Thomas Jefferson
        ” Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property” Thomas Paine
        Admiral Yamomoto upon signing the surrender of Japan was asked why the imperial forces did not invade the mainland ?. His reply was it would have been a disaster since almost all households have weapons(arms) and know how to use them.

        Look at the crime rate in Australia after disarming it citizens.

        I really love the “Gun Free Zones” the bad guys know exactly where to go without fear of being shot..

      • Al A.

        Mr. Obama…is that you???? How’s that for spouting the anti-gun rhetoric line for line as reported by the left wing media. Be afraid, my friends…there are a lot of people out there who follow blindly like sheep anything and everything reported by the media. Change the channel once in a while and get some info from the “other” side.

      • DeanOD

        RH,
        Still thinking this is not Nazi Germany in the making? Are you really as dumb as you sound? You are right, it doesn’t say anything about registration, because there is no reason for me to register my guns. By the way, we have a republican form of government, not democracy. And no, I don’t trust the idiots in Washington, state or local government, especially when they want to disarm me. I am willing to bet your life their reasons aren’t pure, but I’d never bet mine. Fortunately, I was born in a country where I don’t need to carry identification papers on my person at all times, such as they did in Nazi Germany and most of the fascist regimes in Europe.
        The drafters of the constitution intended the second amendment to protect us from the likes of the Nazis and Soviets, people very similar to those running this country now.
        All I can tell you is go ahead and register your guns, so the government knows where to find you when they come to take them from you. While you may be willing to bow and scrape to Emperor Obama and his minions, I never will. I was born a free man, and will die as one if need be to defend the rights of my family and the freedoms of my country.
        This is the United Stats of America, get your heart in, or get your ass out….

      • Gary Cody

        RH:
        Re your comment: “By equating weapons registration with taking away of weapons shows a deep distrust against and hate of our democratic government.”

        A deep distrust? Absolutely. Can you give me any reason to trust a “president” who hates America and takes every opportunity when he visits foreign countries to tell them so? And a “president” and his co-conspirators in congress who trash the Constitution on a regular basis? To be honest, I would not completely trust anyone with the power both the “president” and the congress have.

        But hold on. A hate for our democratic government? I cannot agree. On the contrary, the people that hate our democratic government are the president and his co-conspirators in congress. In fact, the reason I will hold onto my guns until the bitter end is that I LOVE my country (or at least the country as organized in the Constitution).

        I really have no comment regarding your “Muzzle loading rifles and pistols” except to say that if you carry that logic a bit farther, you have to believe we should still be riding horses rather than driving cars.

    • Michael Morgan

      Absolute Truth. Absolute History. Thank You

    • Don

      Wow! That’s quite a leap you made……

    • Don

      Wow, DaveH, that’s quite a leap you made there……Some of the people that scare me the most are the people that are the most paranoid…..

      • DaveH

        Is it paranoid to look both ways when you cross a street? I prefer not to have sand in my eyes.

    • Thurman Marcum

      I am classified as a liberal democrat.I do believe what you said is absolutely correct.I do believe in the right to bear arms.Today’s liberals are not what they say they are.They are for domination pure and simple.We have the right to protect ourselves.I certainly don’t agree with other liberals.WE NEED OUR GUNS1

      Thank you,

      Thurman

      • JeffH

        You are an American first. Thank you!

    • JeffH

      HR45 is still very much alive.

      HR45-This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Sep 18, 2009 3:14PM]
      Last Action: Feb 9, 2009: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.

    • cr747

      Dave, I like your article. Just remember this when you go vote in 2010 and get rid of all the one’s in Washington that want’s to take the second amendment right away from us. Sticking together we can get rid of the cronies that are against us.

    • Vic Bailey, Auburn, Georgia

      Agreed, I will die a citizen in my front yard before I ever become a subject. The police CAN”T protect us they are scared of their own shadows. The police in my day were MEN not little boys and women, they didn’t play and they didn’t need ten to take down one, if you can’t handle yourself then you should find another job. Bad boys understand two things “BAD” and “RESPECT” you don’t talk down to people. The worst enemy we have as citizens right now are the ELECTED OFFICALS that don’t listen to us. They think they are better than us and they don’t have to listen, we need to vote them out. We need to get rid of the Electoral College Vote and replace it with the POPULAR VOTE. These morons would start listening then! The Constitution can save us if we let it.

    • J C

      Good Post. If we are to remain free we must fight with all we have.

    • Gary

      Dave, another thing that should be pointed out is that these other countries/regimes didn’t have the blessing of the United States Constitution to rely on. Ours is under attack but we are GUARANTEED the right to own and bear arms, it is not given to us by our government. When they are allowed by an uninformed public to think this way, then we are truly in trouble. Tell everyone you know to stand in defense of the constitution. This will defeat the “progressives”.

    • Old Monkey

      Monkey’s ancestors mustered out of the Continental Army, but most of his family are immigrants from Taiwan. Monkey’s father-in-law who he loves as much as is own daddy was tortured in Taiwan, and his siblings murdered in China. Just because Taiwan’s current parlementary democracy affords its citizens protects similar to ours, and China is getting much better don’t mean it can’t happen again.

      Any wonder why monkey likes firearms, belongs to, and supports every gun group? It sure isn’t abut shooting bamby!

    • Dennis

      This has noting to do with the subject at hand…DIRECTLY…but very important regaurdless.

      Isn’t this just great… Illinos Capital of Corruption

      Mosque Foundation websitereports that Sheikh Kifah Mustapha recently completed a four day training session in Springfield
      Radical Fundraiser Becomes Illinois Police Chaplain
      By Editor Thursday, January 7, 2010
      Previously on the IPT blog we stressed the need for the Defense Department’s Islamic Chaplaincy program to adopt a stricter vetting process, citing historically radical imams who have served in the program.

      Now the same can be said for the chaplaincy program for the Illinois State Police. The Mosque Foundation websitereports that Sheikh Kifah Mustapha recently completed a four day training session in Springfield, Illinois to become the first certified Muslim chaplain for the Illinois State Police.

      Mustapha’s name appears on a list of unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) Hamas financing trail, which ended with sweeping convictions in November of 2008. On this list he is identified as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee.

      There is more to the story…
      and I am sure it doesn’t get better

    • judy marie

      with guns we are citizens, but havent you noticed that the citizen is the new ‘comrade’ and has been for the past five years or so. it has gotten more prevalent, and the meaning is become more clearly socialistic over the past few years.
      please forgive me, thank you for your laying out the dates and consequences of gun control.
      what of the army exercises that include firing on citizens, women and children that refuse to comply? funny, i cant recall where i heard it or read it, have you heard of such a like?

  • Robin from Indiana

    Criminals will find guns and not adhere to the law. How is taking away our gun rights going to solve that problem? Law abiding citizens are not the real issue here. It’s those who use guns for ill gotten gain. They are focusing on the wrong group of people.

    • DaveH

      Robin,
      They are not focusing on the wrong group of people. They know exactly what they are doing, i.e. to disarm the citizens as fast as they dare. All the other excuses they cite are just a smokescreen to their real goal.

      • DHillier

        You’re right on the money. It’s all a smokescreen. What’s really happening is the powers that be are going to subjugate America. What’s happened to Americans? Has the educational system stopped teaching history? IT DOES REPEAT ITSELF!, and will here in America if we don’t wake up.

        • Pat R

          You hit the nail on the head exactly my Friend. Check out the latest History Books. You will be shocked to see what is being instilled in the kids today! NO They don”t teach History any more. It is just watered down “Crap”

        • Don

          What part of when Obama has said that he doesn’t want to take your guns away do you not understand? Why shouldn’t it be harder to buy guns? Please explain why that is a bad thing! Fingerprints? Driver’s license? Social Security Card? Why is that bad?

          • Elaine

            Guess you’ll take the chip too! RFID anyone! Check out the stats on violent gun crime rates after they take guns from the citizenry…or are facts too hard for you to comprehend? You are welcome to have your entire life programed by the gov or someone else …but I don’t think Americans want that kind of life!

          • JeffH

            How about tatooing numbers on your gums.

          • mqg25

            Don words can hurt too so I’m am sure you will not mind when the government ask you to register you first admendment right of free speech. Remember no discussion without government approval…I guess if obama sanctioned it you would support it just like all the rest of the lemmings.

          • Dickie

            Well,Don this is only a first of many freedoms,We will have,This is a snakes way to make it more easy,For them to know exactly where to go,It saves time when the socialist goverment,Comes to take your guns,Then they are a little more at ease,When they start takeing more of your rights,Just look at these RADICAL TEACHERS,I am 61-yrs old,I have NEVER HEARD ANY PRES.Have this so called innocent singing,With little children in schools,Don,Think about it,Haven’t you seen how the Taliban,Teaches their children!.People in America,Are so naive that this is cute or harmless,They are planning idears,In little children,Like he is some sort of god,Listern to these songs,When you have no protection,You have NO RIGHTS,Look at all the other countrys,That have gun control,Only the politicians,& their GESTAPO,Has guns,One of the ONLY REASONS The terroist don’t just flood over here,Is because,Most of us has guns,Not only for our protection,Against thevies,murreders,hunting,sport shooting,But to defend America if we have to.We are NOT TERROIST LIKE pelosi,reid,holder,& obama,Beleive.We are PROUD AMERICANS,THAT ARE TIRED OF BEING LIED TO,AND TREATED LIKE WE ARE STUPID LITTLE CHILDREN,AND THEY KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR US,If we lose our guns,I a sure you we WILL LOSE OUR RIGHTS.

    • Ronna Sommers

      Robin- I totally agree with what you wrote. I support AND believe in the second amendment. However, I also believe because of the silence of the NRA on gun violence, that people get freaked out and overreact! They should have
      told the folks attending the shout-fests to leave their guns at home or at least keep a low profile.What was the purpose of making such a big show, anyway? Some of these guys make us look bad and then we all will pay the price. A friend of mine-a 30 plus year member- of the NRA won’t be sending his money- he feels they have just gotten too radical and scary-and he is not afraid in the least of losing his weapons.

      • JeffH

        Your friend has some serious issues to deal with. We, as gun owners or supporters of The Constitution, cannot let government infringe on any of our constitutional rights. The NRA, sometimes may seem radical, but their approach is one of total support of the “right to keep and bear arms”. The anti’s will chip away with little, seemingly unimportant, legislations that will eventually fester into total banning of all guns. That is why the NRA is so adament in supporting the gun owner’ rights, and even the rights of those that don’t own guns.
        The NRA has actively helped support and legislate many sensible gun laws to try to keep guns away from the criminals.
        The NRA is the most important “pro gun” group in America, and if you don’t like their agenda, there are several other state and national organizations to support that are pro-gun.

        • JeffH

          Established in 1871, the National Rifle Association is America’s oldest civil rights and sportsmen’s group. Four million members strong, NRA continues its mission to uphold Second Amendment rights and to advocate enforcement of existing laws against violent offenders to reduce crime. The Association remains the nation’s leader in firearm education and training for law-abiding gun owners, law enforcement and the military.

        • DaveH

          Dollar for dollar I think the Gunowners of America is the best pro-gun group in the nation:
          http://gunowners.org/

          • JeffH

            I am a member of both groups.

          • eyeswideopen

            Why do you think Obama passed the law to be able to carry loaded guns in Parks? Kinda dumb if he is trying to take them away.

          • JeffH

            Obama didn’t pass that law eyes. It was a bill that Obama signed in May that permits licensed gun owners to bring firearms into national parks and wildlife refuges as long as state law allows it. The new law, which takes effect in February, will replace rules from the Reagan administration that generally require that guns in national parks be locked or stored in a glove compartment or trunk.

            Politically, the move thrilled gun-rights advocates such as the National Rifle Association and outdoorsmen. They generally lean conservative, which may help Obama’s soft standing with centrists and independents. But it certainly didn’t set well with some of Obama’s core Democratic constituencies, environmentalists and gun-control backers.

          • DaveH

            Obama and crew are not dumb, just devious. The Bill that he signed just applies state rules to the National Parks in that particular state. This would shore up Sotomayor’s contention that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to the states.
            Since the Supreme Court affirmed that the 2nd Amendment is indeed a right of the people, and since the National Parks are federally administered, the federal government would be bound by the 2nd Amendment (under Sotomayor’s ruling) thus there would be looser rules for guns then under the Bill.

          • eyeswideopen

            You both would slice your wrists to prevent from having to admit that Obama did something for us gun owners. Too much, I feel sorry for you as those emotions are not good for your health, and neither one of you are young.

          • JeffH

            Keep the pity for youself and your anti-American mind. What you have to say is no longer important.

          • JeffH

            eyes, I am so often reminded by your comments that Halloween is approaching. Have you decided which “costume” you will wear next.
            I am sure it will not be a red, white and blue one!

          • cr747

            No, JeffH she will probably dress up as Obama!!!!!!!!!!

      • DHillier

        Ronna, the bottom line is its gonna happen anyway…excuses are easy for the Government. What has to happen, and I’m not optimistic about this, is educating the general population that guns are tools. They don’t kill, people do. I challenge anyone to show how gun control has kept guns out of the hands of a criminal, or protected the average citizen. Gun control has merely made it inconvienient for the criminal and put law abiding citizens at risk.

      • DaveH

        Criminals don’t buy guns, they steal them. All the registration in the world won’t stop the crooks. Registration is the favorite method of Dictator’s for eventually locating the gun-owners once they have gotten their way and passed anti-gun laws.

  • Al C

    An “Armed Society Is a Polite Society”

  • Klaus J Christoph

    Taking away a citizens gun rights is total domination. I remember the stories my family has from Germany in the 30′s. My mother is still living, and has said more than once what is happening here reminds her very much of Germany before WWII. Nobody thought it could happen there either.

    • Don

      This isn’t 1930′s Germany.

      • Elaine

        You’re right Don its 2009 and you can’t even imagine what this “New World Order” has in store for you!

      • JeffH

        I’ll bet the Germans trusted their government and Hitler back then.

      • DaveH

        Just keep ‘hoping’ Don. That’s about all there is left when the Big Government types impoverish a nation.

      • Neil

        Don, go ahead and keep your head buried in the sand. Mankind has not made some kind of magical evolutionary change since the 1930′s. What happened then can just as easily happen today. In fact, in some parts of the world GENOCIDE IS STILL OCCURRING. Get your damned facts straight!

      • keithehlert

        no,but the paralells are very scary!!!

      • http://meanjoegreen59.wordpress.com Joe Green

        You are right this isn’t 1933, it’s 2009 and the United Nations and their friends in the New World Order have a plan to remove guns from all all private citizens hands. Check it out and you will find it’s true!!!!!

  • http://www.jpfo.org Aaron

    Great “intellectual ammo” to fight “gun cotrol” is available at http://www.jpfo.org Watch the free films just for starters.

    • JeffH
    • JeffH

      I forgot to say thanks for the site link…kinda puts the idea of gun control in perspective. But NO! This is America and that could never happen here. I’m sure a lot of the dead though that way in those coutries.

  • http://www.mlpgrace.com Michael Grace

    Why do we have all these guns? To protect ourselves? Give me a break. The country supports the gun lobby like they support insurance companies and praise big CEO salaries because the general intelligence level of the USA is so low they are marks in a carnival. They buy into what ever the political filth that occupies Washington says. Our moral capacity in this country is so low – whether left or right – I’m surprised the little guy has anything. America is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. And having a gun won’t protect you. Washington slime would just drop a bomb on you to get rid of you. America is pathetic.

    • Kimberly

      Michael, I’m sorry you feel that way about this great country of ours. Please feel free to move to another country! We won’t miss you and I’m sure you’ll fee right at home in any of them. May I suggest Iran or Iraq?

      • Don

        I don’t agree w/ everything he just said, but isn’t our “great” country exactly the place he should be? The right to say what he thinks?

        • Michael J.

          Yes Don, we all have the right to free speech thanks to the first amendment. However, if the second amendment is compromised, the first amendment will be soon to follow.

        • eyeswideopen

          No, Don, if you disagree they either want to banish you or just kill you outright. There is no patience with the rt wingers for any other ideas or opinions,,,,, sounds a little bit like Germany and Hilter. One Party, One Religion, One thought…. They don’t get it when you shut down one persons freedom you destroy it all.

          • JeffH

            The statements of an Anti-American.

          • cr747

            I THINK EYES IS PART OF BIN LADENS TALIBAN

    • DaveH

      Yes Michael. They could just drop a bomb, but no government can stay in power for long if the vast majority of the citizens don’t approve.

      • Vern

        DaveH– The loyalty of the majority of those entrusted to legislate, uphold and defend the law will do just that. If a new law that is against the constitution is issued then they will uphold it. They want to keep their jobs same as you and I. Why do you think the perks for working for any federal, state or local governmnet has such good benefits. Loyalty has a price and in this country it is starting to go dirt cheap

        • DaveH

          I agree Vern. Theirs is the biggest gang in the land. But every gang needs a source for their theft. Once they kill the Golden Goose that source is gone.

          • Dennis-the-Mennis

            Here it is in plain english…Amendment II
            A well regulated malitia,being necessary to the security of a free state,the right of the people to keep and bear arms,shall not be infringed. That’s it. Simple, straight forward,so easy to understand. It would seem to me that there would be a something lacking in your education if you don’t get it!Our founding fathers wanted us to be able to defend our selves from the likes of the current administation. Thomas Jefferson said ” A society that would give up freedom for security deserves neither” They would make criminals of all of us by changeing the rules. In 2010 we remove thier majority. In 2012 we remove the comunity organizer from “OUR WHITE HOUSE”. Then we will see who gets the right to do what.If we keep standing up in larger numbers,voiceing our disaprovel even louder, we will prevail!!!!Our Declaration of Independence is under attach, as well the Constitution. If we don’t stop it, we will not be free citizens anymore. Free citizens keep and bear arms,slaves do not.

    • Robert Norcutt

      If you think America is so bad there are ships and planes leaving every day and just about every hour. You are more than welcome to leave and the sooner the better.

    • Kurier Radek

      Mr. Grace,

      Your name is not befitting of your rhetoric. Enlightenment is yours to be had if only you’d open your heart to the truth. Fact is, you’re a coward and can’t comprehend a society made great by its uniqueness in the world. Every generation needs a revolution. America is ripe for the picking and those bent on its destruction are salivating like Pavlov’s dogs. Only thing is…WE THE PEOPLE will not let it happen. Gun ownership is a right protected by the Constitution. Americ corrupt…? Yes, I agree, America has become corrupt with people like you whose only pleasure seems to be gained by undermining our sovereignty with radical leftist ideologies all in the name of “fairness”, “equality” and a one world collective body.

      • keithehlert

        101% right on!!!

    • Ed Devine

      Michael,
      I’m not sure that ‘bombing citizens’ is a sane, sustainable social policy. Certainly killing citizens and blowing up stuff wouldn’t serve any social, economic or environmental end. Certainly it’s arguable that a sufficient number of our volunteer military could be convinced to ‘rain down destruction’ on the brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers, aunts, uncle’s or cousins of their fellow Americans. Likewise with sundry gun owner clubs and associations memberships now numbering in the 10′s of millions, it would be a stretch to suggest that even if the full force of our military could employed, that even the suggestion of using military force against Americans who are ‘fed up’ would be a prudent strategy. Doubtless, there are some in law enforcement who might relish the opportunity to shoot at their fellow citizens, but I would surmise that the small number willing to do so has emotional or self image issues that should preclude their continuing in the law enforcement field anyway. The best practice that can be recommended is for those who oppose gun ownership, to not purchase a gun, and to resist the desire to oppress and undermine the interests of their fellow citizens who choose to responsibly own a firearm. That seems like a win win situation for everbody involved.

      • JP

        I served 20 yrs in US Army. during my time in Kosovo, US troops were missioned to conduct “Cordon and Search” ops, in order to rid the locals of their guns, to establish a ‘safe and secure environment’ even with US Military Intelligence operatives, local national interpreters and even informants, we were never able to get all the guns. this in a region roughly the size of a small US state. now imagine US agents and law enforcement trying to confiscate all the guns in the homes, businesses, backyards etc etc. The Feds could never get enough personnel to enforce it. They would NEVER be able to find all the caches of firearms (I have a cache now). I’m not a right winger extremist, just a Libertarian retired Soldier concerned about Freedom. We will always be Free if we refuse to give up our guns voluntarily. This is what the big goverment Socialist Democrats fear: an armed populace who. I am willing to die for my freedom, are any of you? Best quote: “It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees” Emiliano Zapata, Mexican Revolution fighter, 1910.

        • DaveH

          Kudos JP.

    • kmumm

      maybe you be happy moving your disgruntled posterior to Iran, i would be happy to buy you a one way ticket! are you for real?

    • Jeff Anderson

      Gang fight in back of my home late at night. I called the police. The police never came. I realized then, having a gun might not be a bad idea.

      My brother awoke at night one time to find gang violence in his front yard. He called the police. The police never came. Luckily, they all left after beating each other. Maybe a gun isn’t a bad idea.

      A friend of my father had to defend himself and his wife from a gang of thugs while at a camping area. They wanted to abuse his wife. Lucky for him, he was packing a pistol and was able to make them leave.

      One evening, soon after I arrived home from work, a young woman ran up to my front door screaming for help and was frantically trying to get in my house. She was about to be assaulted by a man whom I threatened as I got her access into my house.

      My whole point here is that you may have to defend yourself and you may need a gun to succeed. The police can not be there for you. You can’t always trust the police even if they are there. So, having access to a weapon can be a good thing. We should have the right to bear arms. The government needs to stay the hell out of my home.

      • DaveH

        Jeff,
        The problem is that the government doesn’t get a rat’s butt about our lives. They are concerned only with disarming us so that their lives are safer.

        • eyeswideopen

          Why would their lives be safer, are you planning a revolution?

          • JeffH

            Another anti-American statement!

          • cr747

            SOUNDS LIKE SHE IS PART OF BIN LADENS TALIBAN OR TALIWACKER

    • JRandal

      Michael,
      If you don’tlike this country thanleave it ! Planes leave every 15 min. I’m sure you and the rest of the libs can do well in france or Russia or any other place . As long as there is money there will be sickness in washingto or any where else! Name any other place as great or that is until the O-man became GOD!

    • Michael Morgan

      Leave and make everyone happy!!!

    • Greg Danneels

      Canada is only a few hours away, if it is so bad here, leave.

      Chavez would also welcome you with open arms!

    • saucier56

      Dear Michael Grace,

      There is some truth in some of what you expressed, though my experience and beliefs are obviously different than yours. I am an NRA Life Member, Concealed Carry Permit Holder, Republican, Baptist, American, and Oregonian. I have used a handgun to protect my pregnant wife from a rabid stray dog that came into our home – 1 shot ended the attack, and surely saved my unborn daughter’s life. I have used a handgun to protect my business and customers in my office when a meth-crazed stranger tried to rob us using a gun – NO shots fired, police took over 8 minutes after 911 call – and surely saved one or more of the eight innocent people in the room from taking a slug. People like you are NOT the problem. People like ME and others on this board are NOT the problem. CRIMINALS are the problem. Our government and all the public officials are, probably not in our lifetimes at least, are not the problem. CRIMINALS are the problem. Undoubtably, you and I share a common desire — to be left the hell alone and not be victimized and not have some impertinent criminal (government or civilian) impose his will on us. Agreed? I believe that over time, the USA will continue to errode the Second Amendment to the point where we become a “disarmed” nation. That said, in the meantime, the police are the least of our concerns. Civil unrest and chaos will occur, and endure for a long period of time, before the government makes a nation-wide sweep of homes to confiscate our weapons. There are enough law enforcement agents of all types to disarm average citizens. There are NOT enough agents to disarm criminals — they cannot do it now. Many of us want to protect ourselves from THAT, and the law will be on our side to do so, for some time to come. Unfortunately, there are a certain number of people who only understand pain and force. They use it to dominate others, and will only stop when they are on the receiving end. I, and I’m sure you as well, wish that was not so. Owning and using a firearm to prevent or at least challenge that domination is a choice we should each have. I am free to choose a firearm for that end — at least for now. You are free NOT to, and instead, use your intellect, pen, and voice — at least for now. I struggle to understand how rational people acquire such different beliefs about issues, rights, and freedoms. In my view, you and I are not the enemy of each others beliefs. All the apathetic people who do NOTHING are the enemy. Think about all the “good Germans” that did nothing prior to and during WWII, and the ones that just went along with what the Nazi government told them to do. If each one of those citizens had shot just 1 Nazi each, millions and millions of innocent people, countless national landmarks and treasures, and incomprehendable amounts of civilization would have been saved.

      God bless you and yours, and all of us.
      Kind Regards,
      Don

      • Elaine

        Well said! You are a fine example of the America I grew up in. GOD Bless YOU and the good ole USA!

    • JeffH

      MichaelGrace: Guns are more than protection. They are also for hobbyists, sportsman, hunters, collectors, target shooters. I like fine guns like an art collector enjoys fine art or the auto enthusiest enjoys fine cars. I have been around guns, owned and been active in collecting and the shooting sports for over 46 years, and have never been threatened by anyone holding a gun. I have a good friend who witnessed a murder in his own house by a gun in the hands of a criminal. He did not need or have a gun. He has since changed his mind about gun ownership by law abiding citizens, and it isn’t the anti-gun group that he supports.
      There is more than enogh laws on the books to keep legal guns out of the hands of criminal. Why make laws that could possibly make criminals out of the law abiding citizen.

    • American Citizen

      You seldom hear stories from the media of gun owners who protected themselves or their families from attempted robberies or home invasions. They sensationalize the criminals. There have been instances where if a legal gun owner had been there, the criminal could have been stopped.

      • Scott Brown

        I have been in such situations. I own weapons and possess a concealed carry permit good in 20 states. Were I to author a law on the subject of gun control I would ban gun control entirely (actually, we already have such a law). How much violent crime can one imagine occurring if, in fact, all citizens were required to take training and go armed? Would you hold up a place of business knowing that everyone in it was trained to shoot your ass to doll rags? Commit a rape, perpetrate a public massacre? Not likely (no more so than you would attempt to hold up a gun show or a cop bar or a military base). Would there be gun accidents? Likely, just as with automobiles. Would harm to innocents exceed the intentional harm now caused by criminals to unarmed citizens? Not likely.

        • Thurman Marcum

          I agree with you Scott and Iam a liberal democrat.I do believe in the right to bear arms.

          Thurman

        • DaveH

          I agree Scott.
          A friend of mine once told me “what if everyone was allowed to carry a gun in their car? I would be afraid to flip people off!”
          I said “And that is a bad thing?”

        • JeffH

          I support Criminal and Mental background checks and also support banning gun control. You can have both. Also, I would support a proficiency test with specific guidlines for safety for all new gun buyers, similar to a hunters safety test.

          • DaveH

            That is a noble endeavor JeffH, but the government would use the safety requirements to stall gun purchases perhaps indefinitely. As an example look up the history of the training requirements for pilots to carry.
            I do think a viable approach would be to safety train all high-school students. That would certainly be more important than some of the other crap they have to learn.

          • JeffH

            DaveH…you are right. I received my hunters safety cerificate twice because I enjoyed it. One in high school and the second one at my Rod and Gun club. I wasn’t forced to take either course.

    • PGO

      And just where the Hell are you from?

    • DHillier

      Wow! You sound upset. Only I have to agree with you, you’re right. Americans let it get this way. Do you have an viable resolution to the problem?

      • keithehlert

        yes.leave it alone!

    • Elaine

      The gov is full of criminals now more than ever before…but the people of this Country are the best most generous decent people in the World…too bad you are blind and can’t see that…you’re pathetic!

    • david

      well I don’t see anyone forcing you to stay here I would be glad to see america haters like you go away

      • eyeswideopen

        David, your attitude is why your party will be losers for a long time. Who do you think you are trying to evict someone from this country? Maybe when the socialist take over they will kick your butt out…. wouldn’t that be ironic?? LOL

        • JeffH

          Look very closely into the mirror! You should see the “anti-American” looking back.

      • keithehlert

        damn right!!!!

    • http://personalliberty.com VMax

      Mike, you were a city boy, raised just by a Mommy weren’t you?

    • Neil

      Michael, the government responds to the gun lobby because WE ARE THE VOTERS. If you don’t like this country, get the hell out. I will buy you the ticket… You can choose Afghanistan, Iraq, or Somalia. Let me know when you want to leave.

  • Independent Thinker

    The first step in complete control of the people is to disarm them. Check out this website -martiallawsurvival.com. If you have seen any of Glenn Beck’s shows about who’s really running this country, it makes perfect sense.

  • Daniel

    I’m getting tired of all this fear-mongering, especially about HR 45. It is most emphatically NOT working its way through Congress, slowly or otherwise. It was introduced on Jan. 6, and the last action taken was on Feb. 9! Furthermore, it has ZERO cosponsors! S 1317 was introduced on June 22, with no further action being taken. It, too, has zero cosponsors. C’mon people–quit bleating about the latest (re-cycled) rumors. You can very easily track bills through various websites. One is http://thomas.loc.gov/.

    • DaveH

      Good point Daniel. I wish more people would use the readily available web-sites to keep track of what their elected representatives are doing.
      Here’s one to the House of Representatives (look for roll call votes):
      http://clerk.house.gov/

    • JeffH

      It is the continued introduction of these frivilous types of legislation by the anti’s that create the fear. Many mythical emails get circulated that can be confirmed online as myths, and the same about new legislation. A little research goes a long way. Only believe half of what you hear and half of what you read, and none of what you see. Don’t let a lack of research cloud your mind.

    • JeffH

      Both HR45 and S.1317 are very much alive though referred to commitee.
      There needs to be legislation to prohibit known terrorists from aquiring guns through “legal means”. With the mindset of this administration’s Holder, I think that the background check should be ammended to include known terrorists. Holder is more than capable of abusing the intent of S 1317 and blocking legal gun purchasers.

      • DaveH

        Terrorists don’t care if they acquire their weapons legally or not. The legislation is just another baby-step toward gun-confiscation.

        • JeffH

          You are 100% right!

        • eyeswideopen

          Yup, they gave us guns on trains, guns in federal parks, and they are definately trying to take them away. I can just smell it coming. What would make you happy? We win two things that most of us really wanted and all you two do is bith about a conspiracy that is coming. You are a riot!!! Your hate prevents you from even acknowledging that we got consessions. Enjoy your hate mongering conspiracy, I am going to enjoy knowing that I have two additional rights I didn’t have before.

          • JeffH

            Another mindless response by the consumate anti-American.
            Isn’t someone supposed to lead you to water as soon as they pull a carrot from the garden?

    • keith

      oh,yeah,like all the bills in the so called ”stimulus” bill?beleive what you want from this administration,you think they are going to open air every thing they do?hah hah hah,obama is a liar and many others,LIARS!you actually BELEIVE what you find on a website run by THIS administration!they’ll only show you what they want you to see!get real and RESEARCH yourself,don’t relie on ANYTHING this administration has to say,THEY’RE ALL DECEIVERS AND LIARS!they have PROVED that already!

  • http://www.tbarkcustomknives.com Tank Fisher

    I am Sick of the politicaly correct crowd of idiots in this country their brains are no more than a brief methane bearing Fart , the only reason this country is a free nation is 2 things , Christian Based Originaly an Guns with people who arent affraid to use them when needed , May God Bless the Evil in accordance with their deeds , an you can have my guns BULLETS FIRST ! COME GET EM ,because that is theo nly way its gonna happen

    • http://none Bob Currin

      Good one Tank. I and alot of others where I live think’s the same way

    • judy marie

      didnt christ have something to do with a revolution against the established church of rome or soemthing? didnt he bust up the vendors tables at the temple steps? christian, the original, were rebels werent they, and somewhere in history, even their religion got re-written for the control of the masses and the supremacy of the roman powers. the message seemed to get lost over time.
      well, it happened then [i believe] and its happening now.
      in the schools, and in the programs.
      there is good in any religion, thats one of the reasons [i believe] that freedom of religion is in the constitution. it is twisted by the powers that be.
      freedom of speech,it is manipulated and twisted by the main media
      and the right to bear arms – we can see where that is going if we dont stop it…
      AND THAT IS BY OUR VOTES AND OUR VOICES. I WANT TO KNOW NOT HOW TO WHINE ABOUT WHAT IS WRONG, BUT HOW TO DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THIS TREND BEFORE IT IS TOO DEEPLY INGRAINED IN THE LAWS OF OUR SOCIETY.

  • Glenn C. Ford

    As long as the U.S. Constitution allows me via the second amendment to own guns I will. I am sure that will remain in place. If and only if we have a constitutional convention. that results in a change to the second amendment. That is ratified by the proper number of states will I relinquish my firearms. I do not break the law now and will comply if it is changed. I wont live long enough to have that happen. So if they want them they will have to kill me. Yours truly Glenn C. Ford

  • Ed Devine

    It remains a fact that legislation, even that which has no co-sponsors, has a way of being ‘attached’ without notice to some larger ‘must pass’ legislation, or often ‘tacked on at the last minute’ to some ‘omnibus’ legislation. House and Senate members oppose attempst to pass ‘read the bill’ legislation for fact that it would provide a ‘heads up’ to their constituents about what’s actually in the legislation that most of these politicians haven’t even read. Far from being paranoid or delusional, it makes good sense for citizens to watch any legislation that runs contrary to our constitutional interests or that might ‘be slipped into some other legislation’ at the last minute.

    • DaveH

      Ed,
      Probably a good place for us to start would be to put immense pressure on our representatives to keep any bills short and simple. I know that is a tall order as the lawyers in Congress love complexity (full employment for lawyers) but we can stop that crap if we work together.

      • JeffH

        You are correct DaveH. Do not be afraid to voice your opinion, whether in support or opposition.

  • Lela

    People wanted a change … they have it!!!

  • ed centner

    “Onward Christian Soldiers”!

  • Adam K

    Wonder if Bill Ayers owns any guns??

  • ONTIME

    The antigun crowd has a advocate in the Whitehouse, they are feeling their oats but the Constitution stands in their way, it realy annoys them and the plans to circumvent this law will be done by mandate, legislation that will impair ownership by increasing cost and a lot of behind the closed doors legal wrangling to bypass the courts. This is the way the lib gun crowd does everything because they know Constitutional Law is their biggest obstacle, they could care less about hearts and minds, their modus operendai is ulterior and diversion in order to distract and flank.

    The best plan to counter these clowns is outright exposure and as much publicity as those who advocate legal gun ownership can muster, these people who sneak around in the back alleys of the legal field are not prone to having their agenda exposed, they know it is poisonus to their goal and will lose support once they try and argue a point. They have little real amunition to make a point and the evidence against them is voluminous with expmples from all over the world, their aim is nothing more than unopposed control and that damned Constutional Law mashes their plans.

  • Phil

    I believe the government radicals are afraid of us. I believe they are using the rhetoric to deceive us into giving up our rights. Then, when there is no way to defend ourselves, they are going to eliminate us, or dictate as Sadaam Hussein once did, as well as Hitler.

  • Patricia Kienholz

    I am a 75 year old woman who has never fired anything but a shotgun. However, my husband owns a hunting rifle and I am seriously considering buying a handgun and a shotgun because I am alone much of the evenings whilst my husband works security. We also own a 100+ pound Anatolian Shepherd and I still do not feel safe, living as we do less than 1/4 of a mile from railroad tracks. I resent anyone telling me I cannot own a gun, nor what kind of gun I can own. This must be stopped. Shades of Adolph Hitler! We must not allow this to happen to us.

    • JeffH

      You go girl.

    • DaveH

      Patricia,
      I am very physically capable of defending myself, but I still feel much safer having a gun around. I can’t even imagine how scary it must be for people who aren’t.

      • Normal Guy

        Don’t worry brave little soldier, there are hundreds of millions of people who live every day without packing heat. You’ll survive.

        • Michael J.

          Normal Guy, Typical liberal logic. You don’t own a gun so you think no one else should either, right?

        • DaveH

          Normal,
          See Eyes comments on gun deaths or look up your own. Many of those might be alive today if they were able to protect themselves. I believe those who have made it difficult to arm oneself are accessories to those murders.
          As far as bravery goes, what is your reason for wanting gun-bans? It certainly isn’t because you’re brave.

  • Kat O

    What I don’t understand is how you are drawing the conclusion that requiring registration and fingerprinting is going to take away your rights to gun ownership. Wouldn’t anyone in their right mind want to know that we are all a bit safer because we can identify the criminal elements. If you have nothing to hide and are stable what exactly is the problem here..? Your arguments against this legislation don’t make much sense.

    • Chris

      Kat O,
      First of all it’s just another chip in the block. A little bit at a time is what they want to do. Are the criminals going to register their guns? No just the honest people. Do you think a criminal who is breaking into your house to kill your family is going to care whether they have an unregistered gun and they are breaking the law by possessing this gun? It’s a way of the government to track the law abiding citizens who have guns. They won’t be able to track the criminals. And it will just make the black market for gun sales to increase. If the world was perfect we would not need them, but it’s not and there are evil people out there so we have to do what we can to protect our family and our property.

      • DaveH

        I agree Chris. And anyone in their “right mind” would know that registration doesn’t mean doo-doo to a crazed killer. Anyone ever heard of a file? Registration is for one and only one purpose – to allow the government to find the gun-owners easily when they round up our weapons.

        • JeffH

          Apparently the anti-gun crowd think the criminals purchase their guns legaly and putting more restrictive laws on us honest folks will deter the criminals. Who will have the last laugh when criminals are the only ones left with guns?

          Answer: The criminals

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Paul M. Dieker

      Kat O,

      Respectfully,

      Please take the time to do a brief study of history. It is obvious you don’t understand where registration and finger printing of gun owners ends. To believe the U.S. doesn’t have individuals with goals very similar to Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, or Mao is naive (past presidents have even used the term, “New World Order”. Please see recent history regarding England and Austrailia………………crime rates rose, not declined after gun confiscation; which is eventually what would happen in the U.S. were we ever to register our guns. The Constitution is clear (see also The Federalist Papers) that gun ownership is an individual right.

    • John

      Kat, it is not the actual registration and fingerprinting that alarms those of us who want to protect our right to ‘keep and bear arms…’. It is the administrative morass that will come with it. Look at the provisions the anti-gun lobby is proposing! The measure of reasonableness for restricting gun ownership is that the privelege of owning a firearm should be no more difficult to obtain than a driver’s license.
      I personally feel that the states should be given the task of any such regulation since they already have the infrastructure in place to administer and track drivers. How about gun ownership as an endorsement on your driver’s license?
      Incidently, I do not currently own a firearm. But if any of this Communist / Nazi legislation passes I will be certain to stock up.

      • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

        John, by then it may be too late. The time to stock up is now. I have noticed that the price of .223 long rifle ammo has almost doubled in price in the last few months. You can be conspiratorial and say that the Feds have slipped a stealth tax in on us, or you can be logical and say that the firearms dealers are getting greedy and taking advantage of the times.

    • Cassyann

      Kat, why do you assume that criminals will register their guns. That’s exactly why they’re called CRIMINALS. Only honest people obey the law.

    • Michael Morgan

      Kat, it’s the very first step towards an orchestrated confiscation against law abiding citizens….that is the truth.

    • Greg Danneels

      What an absurd statement. Do you really think the criminal will registar his or her gun. Call your local police dept. and see what they say.

    • Sicktoad

      That is so people who have firearms can be identified. Once it’s known who has the weapons then it’s just a matter of taking them away. Criminals won’t do the same and will deny ownership of firearms while continuing to keep them in their possession. Steps of limiting ammo sales, and making people identify the types of firearms that they posses through ammo purchases is another way of tracking who has what. Believe me Liberals want to know who has what and how much, Why is that? Is there an agenda behind it? Think people.. The socialist movement is on. After that complete control by the few who want total power.

    • Lee Edwards

      KAT O,
      Please read my posting at 8:48 am today. It might give you some insight as to why weapons registration and control is unjustified in any free society.

    • JeffH

      Kat… I will point out that before one legaly purchases a gun, they have to provide proper ID, leave a thumb print and fill out a fovernment form and go through a national background check. All this happens before they can take posession of any gun. That is supposed to stop those prohibited from owning a gun. It is more than enough.

    • s c

      KatO, let me introduce you to reality. There are three main groups that need to be watched in any Second Amendment issue. First, we have criminals who are not concerned with constitutional rights. Second, we have career criminals in Congress. Third, we have two people in the White House who have no use for the Second Amendment. Now, what don’t you understand?
      If you’re not on drugs, then your ideas are at best naive. Kindly wake up to what is going on around you. This is reality. Domestic enemies have been scheming for many years, and they are waiting for the right moment to enslave America any way they can do it. Wake up!

      • eyeswideopen

        S.C.
        My friend in Il. sent me this link. Looks like the Repubs are selling us out. http://www.icpgv.org/pdf/2009_polling_Fact_Sheet_FINAL.pdf.

        • eyeswideopen
        • eyeswideopen

          Sorry, please use link below,

          • JeffH

            Where do you get that the Repub. are selling us out? This is a poll from Illinois. It already is a Federal law that everyone MUST go through a background check when buying a gun, whether through a private transfer or an FFL dealer. YOUR POINT?

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, you are complaining about getting registered, fingerprinted and you are happy with a background check? You are happy about having to notify the government that your gun is missing? What happened to your “I want the government to stay out of my business”? So you are happy with them making you go through a background check and letting them know that you may have lost your gun, or had it stolen? That really sound like the government is staying out of your business!!

          • JeffH

            I missed something. Where did I say I was happy about it? I didn’t!

      • eyeswideopen

        S.C.
        What really gets my blood boiling is that 70% of the NRA members also approve of it!! What do you think is going on?

        • JeffH

          You have confused me once again. What are you talking about? 70% of the NRA has approved what?

      • Gregg
        • DaveH

          That is a great video. Have seen it before but am happy that you posted it so I could see it again. My heart goes out to her.

        • American Citizen

          That video says it all.

    • keith

      you just don’t understand this administration!they are in my opinion the enemy of EVERY free minded patriot who will not budge from their stance and refuse to be silenced or coerced and beleive in the constitution as BELONGING TO THEM!this administration is filled with left wing radicals who want to catalog and make lists,the damn nazis liked lists as well,they had lists for EVERYTHING,who you know,where your from,your religious background,political background,damn,they wanted to know when you peed last.this administration gives me the freakin willies!they are obsessive about lists as well.study up on the BOOKS and liturature obama has read,read his book,when yah do,you’ll change your tune!

  • LeDon

    He said, “Beware of the Leaven” It’s pervasive…almost secretive in its effect. This Progressive Democratic Movement has been advancing for a very long time…..it appears to be developing into some strange form of Dialectical Materialism…Curious! As For Me…God Bless The Constitution!!!

  • Michael Morgan

    I think that Freedom cannot be inherited or bestowed, but rather, it must be guarded and defended each and every day. That means to be vigilant to any lawmakers who will pass under the table laws that will infringe upon our Second Amendment Rights. I do not and will not obey any Unconstitutional Law that might be passed. WE THE PEOPLE Are The Law Via Our Representatives who had better be representing us properly. If they do not, there will be a reckoning at the polls. The Military has a saying, “PEACE THROUGH VIGILANCE”. Certainly that applies in the civilian world also. Be watchful as to what your government is doing, for apathy will destroy our precious FREEDOM!!! It would be very foolish to believe that the world will one day have no more Hitler’s or Husseins, etc. They have been among us since time began and unfortunately, will be present in our future.

    This issue to slowly steal our gun rights by the anti-gun rights people, makes one realize that these type of people live in a rose colored world where there are no evil people set out to prey upon us. That is not reality, and never will be!! The physically weaker person has every God Given right to live and subsequently, has a right to defend themselves via an equilizer/weapon. This is Not complicated.

    Be Vigilant and Involved !!!

    • JeffH

      I hope that, in some ways, this country is going through a re-birth.
      Sometimes someone (Obama Administration) will come along and wake up
      America’s citizens. The price is high because we have been so complacent! We trusted our elected officials way too much. Like a child, they kept their hands in the cookie jar until there was nothing left, and they got caught. Americans everywhere are starting to notice (feel) the pain of our own mistakes. We are the only ones that can “force” a change. VOTE in 2010, and let us make wise decisions. The Constitution makes more sense to me today than it ever has, and the foresight of our founding fathers has never been more evident than it is today.

      • DaveH

        Yes, we need to vote out all incumbents in the primaries who have not fought to obey the Constitution. Keep only the ones like Ron Paul who have consistantly protected the Constitution. That doesn’t leave very many incumbents.

  • http://yahoo.com unicorn65

    i legally own guns and if anyone tries to take them away, i will shoot them, end of discussion.

  • ed centner

    I am so tired of the looney Libs trying to beat down this country by taking all our hard won freedoms and denigrating the U.S. Constitution and the Christian heritage that founded our beloved country. If they don’t like it here, then leave, make your own country and live it as the immoral morons that you really are!

  • http://YAHOO R. SCHOMBURG

    UN-LESS YOU WISH TO DO ME WRONG, YOU SHOULD NOT FEAR THAT THAT I AM = 0R MAY BE ARMED, THIS STANDS FOR NEARLY ALL FIRE-ARM OWNERS==AND FOR ALL 99.99 PERCENT THAT LEGAL FIREARM OWNERS.. AND REMEMBER WE MAY SAVE YOU WITH OUT ONE SOME-TIME

  • Bill

    Perhaps the current administration and it’s followers should focus on railroad ties in Chicago.

  • FERD TIHISTA

    OVER 60 YEARS AGO I BOUGHT A GUN AT A GUN SHOP. MY RECORD WAS AND STILL IS SQUEAKY CLEAN. IT TOOK AT LEAST 2 WEEKS BEFORE THEY WERE ABLE TO LET ME HAVE THE GUN. I AM GOING ON 82 YEARS OLD AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A TIME THAT LAWBIDING CITIZENS NEEDED A RIGHT TO CARRY MORE THAN TODAY. THEY ARE KILLINGS ABOUT EVERY WEEK HERE. GANG VIOLENCE IS GOING UNCHECKED. INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT GUNS THEY SHOULD BAN GANGS AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

    • DaveH

      That would mean banning the biggest gang in the country – the Federal Government.

  • Bill

    For those of you who care to check these bills out, you will find that Livingston reports (as usual) a bunch of lies and distortions. I am a Republican, and fully realize that such lies only defeat the Conservative cause.

    • JeffH

      Bill…you really don’t understand the reason for this or any other of the Livingston atricles. At one time or another, they weren’t lies, and they are written for discussion by all. There is a lot of rhetoric and also a lot of truths brought out in the comments. One can certainly get a feel as to the viewpoint of all involved.

  • Chris

    Something about gun control is on Glen Beck today. Should be interesting.

    • kathleen

      Glenn Beck is an insult to the intelligence of this nation.

      • keithehlert

        don’t presume to tell me what insults me!it’s just like you libs to try and speak for EVERYBODY,as if you think EVERYBODY has to follow and beleive as you do,well let me tell you something,i’ll be the judge of what i beleive or not,NOT YOU,glenn beck is dah man,you libs can’t stand em cause he open airs the nafarious screwy twisted plans you whacko’s try and do,and like the cockroaches you are,you can’t stand the light and look for a rock to scurry under so you can plot and scheme some more,again,don’t presume to tell me what i think!

  • JP

    I’d be willing to bet that if the Dems can get Obamacare passed, firearms will be quickly declared “a public Health Hazard” and a ban sought on the basis of Public Health. We must mobilize and VOTE these Obamanations out of Congress in 2010. get registered to Vote and let’s turn over Congress, we did it during the Clinton admin, let’s do it again, but sent the Repubs our thoughts on Govt. spending.

  • Allan Scotty Parker

    As a Ex Scotsman from Edinburgh Scotland UK which has had a very strong Gun Restrictions and it is impossible for normal people to even think of owning and kind of Firearms.

    Visiting my Homeland earlier this year I was surprised and shocked with the amount of Gun related crimes from Murders, Robbery, and criminal activity. It is very difficult for the politicians and Law Enforcers as well as the Goodie Goodie people to demand that all guns need to be collected from all of the good People as they do not own any guns!! It is also very interesting that all the criminals are really paying attention to the Gun Restrictions laws??

    Most of the Gun related Incident’s are caused by illegal/legal immigrants as the UK have had a very loose restrictions on Immigration and now most of the UK Citizens are slowly being made the minority.

  • http://meanjoegreen59.wordpress.com Joe Green

    Gun Control and Universal Health Care are from the same double shot shotgun. These left-wing liberal socialist think that if they think they can get control of our health care and guns, they can control us. They are right.
    I have a question to ask everyone who is in favor of a “so-called Assault Weapon Ban.” “What is an Assault Weapon”? I thought the military were the only ones with Assault Weapons. Just because a gun is semi-automatic doesn’t make it an Assault Weapon.
    We must fight for our freedoms every day.
    GOOD ARTICLE BOB! JOIN THE NRA, IF NOT ALREADY A MEMBER.
    I know the NRA is not perfect, but it all we’ve get between them and us.

    • eyeswideopen

      Joe,
      Read this link and then say that!! http://www.icpgv.org/pdf/2009_Polling_Fact_Sheet_FINAL.pdf

      • JeffH

        Once again, what does this link have to do with this discussion?
        It is irrelevant to this discussion, as I am sure that most of us accept the current “required” background check.

        • eyeswideopen

          NO GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE, STAY OUT OF OUR LIVES, what happened to your mantra? Hard to keep them out? Really isn’t very realistic is it? But it sounds good when you scream it!! LOL.

          • JeffH

            You are a bonified IDIOT! I have to accept what is in place today, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be changed tomorrow or I have to like it.

  • Allan Scotty Parker

    As a Ex Scotsman from Edinburgh Scotland UK which has had a very strong Gun Restrictions and it is impossible for normal people to even think of owning and kind of Firearms.

    Visiting my Homeland earlier this year I was surprised and shocked with the amount of Gun related crimes from Murders, Robbery, and criminal activity. It is very difficult for the politicians and Law Enforcers as well as the Goodie Goodie people to demand that all guns need to be collected from all of the good People as they do not own any guns!! It is also very interesting that all the criminals are really paying attention to the Gun Restrictions laws??

    Most of the Gun related Incident’s are caused by illegal/legal immigrants as the UK have had a very loose restrictions on Immigration and now most of the UK Citizens are slowly being made the minority.
    WHY ARE WE TRYING TO GIVE ALL THE CRIMINALS THE RIGHT TO CARRY FIREARMS AND TAKE THE FIREARMS FROM ALL OF THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS??

  • Lee Edwards

    I am adamantly and unwaveringly opposed to HR 45 – Blair Holt Firearms Licensing and Registration Act of 2009 and any and all other legislation in either house of Congress which has the effect of abridging an American’s right to keep and bear arms.

    I have also been advised that President Obama is pushing for Senate ratification of a weapons treaty, signed by Bill Clinton, that would identify American gun owners to foreign nations and give them the power to extradite and prosecute American citizens under their laws. If this is true DO NOT LET IT BE RATIFIED!!!!

    As a citizen of the United States, I do hereby demand that you vote NO on every unconstitutional bill to ban, confiscate, or limit ownership of any firearm by any American. I also demand you fight any attempt by the administration, the Justice Department, the Department of Homeland Security, or any other agency to skirt the constitution or the law to do the same.

    The Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote the Second Amendment — they were giving the people to right to defend themselves against all threats — including the threat of an oppressive government. IN FACT, THE ONLY REASON A STATE OR NATIONAL GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE FOR INSTITUTING GUN CONTROLS, REGISTRATION OR LIMITATION OF OWNERSHIP OF A WEAPON IS TO PREPARE FOR AN OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT. Any rhetoric attempting to justify any weapons control or limitation serves only to advance the disarmament and enslavement of the citizenry. Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo and many others throughout history have proven this to be true.

    AN ARMED MAN IS A CITIZEN, CAPABLE OF DEFENDING HIMSELF, HIS FAMILY, AND HIS COUNTRY AGAINST CRIMINAL AND TERRORIST ELEMENTS. A DISARMED MAN IS A SUBJECT OF THE STATE, INCAPABLE OF DEFENDING HIMSELF OR HIS COUNTRY.

    The most common justification for gun control is that if guns were outlawed, everyone would be safer because guns are not allowed. NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH. Criminals will get the weapons they want, up to and including full-automatic guns, and they will be assured their victims will offer little or no resistance because they are unarmed. This makes their job much easier and the policeman’s job much more dangerous.

    Mexico has a ban on guns and we can see first-hand how much effect that has had in reducing violent crime in that country. There are gang-land executions there every day, usually involving police, federal soldiers and officers, or politicians who do not readily cooperate with the gangs and drug cartels. Civilians are also frequently kidnapped for ransom or slave trading (Yes, slavery is still alive in this world) to fund their operations.

    Australia enacted a gun ban and forced the surrender of over 640,000 personal firearms to be destroyed by the government, costing Australian taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

    One year after this ban on personal ownership of guns went into effect homicides were up 6.2%, assaults were up 9.6%, and armed robberies were up 44% Australia-wide. In the state of Victoria alone homicides with firearms went up 300% as compared with the last one-year period when ownership of a firearm was legal. (The law-abiding citizens turned in their guns, the criminals did not).

    In the 25 year period prior to the confiscation of privately owned guns there was a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms while in the year following this confiscation there was a dramatic increase in armed robbery, break-ins, and assaults on the elderly while the resident are at home. The Australian government has assured the criminal that his victims are unarmed.

    Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in ‘successfully ridding Australian society of guns.’

    The only responsible approach to weapons is to EDUCATE the people in the proper use of, and possible consequences of, whatever weapon they may possess. A super-majority of the States now have Right to Carry laws and most of those, still a super-majority of the States, have reciprocity agreements with the other states that allow responsible law-abiding citizens to carry their weapons across state lines and maintain their level of personal protection against any criminal, terrorist, or foreign threat.

    There will always be a criminal element in society that seeks to steal from, control, intimidate or kill others in the community, but the over-hyped dime novel and Hollywood version of our ‘lawless wild west’ is not true. The vast majority of the people who own and use weapons are peaceful citizens who use those weapons to provide food for their families and defend themselves from violent criminals. This was true then and it is true now. Artificial regulations do not change these facts, they only serve to strengthen the criminal element in society.

    What is at stake here is our freedom and our future as American citizens. One of the biggest deterrents to an armed invasion of the United States is not our military, which is indeed formidable, but our armed civilian population. This was opined by Isoroku Yamamoto during World War II when he said he would not want to invade the United States because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.’ That is the true strength and security of this nation.

    • libertytrain

      What an interesting and well-thought-out commentary. It’s a pleasure to read an opinion that is not retaliatory, but rather, one that seeks to inform and causes the reader to actually think. Thank you. (Ah, before I actually posted this, I did a little Googling and now understand why your commentary was so well written and informative.)

    • eyeswideopen

      I agree with evrything you said, what I don’t understand is why you have a problem with a bill that wants to prevent the sale of firearms to people who are on the terrorist list? I also don’t believe that known felony’s, drug dealers, sex offenders etc. should be able to own or deal in guns legally. What is wrong with a law forbiding that type of sales? I have a carry permit and had been a member of NRA for 40 years up until this year. I no longer support the NRA but do support the right to own and carry a firearm. I would like to know why you would allow terrorists to deal in arms?

      • eyeswideopen

        This link is an example of why I don’t support the NRA anymore.
        http://www.icpgv.org/pdf/2009_Polling_Fact_Sheet_FINAL.pdf

        • JeffH

          This link has no real meaning, other than the poll shows that Illinois supports the background check, for all firearm trasfers.

          National crime surveys show that people who use guns to defend against violent crime are less likely to be injured than all other victims. A study for the Department of Justice found that 40% of felons do not commit crimes if they believe victims are armed.

          “Gun Control” Doesn’t Work

          Studies by or for the Congress, the Department of Justice, the Congressional Research Service, the Library of Congress, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that “gun control” reduces crime, suicides or accidents in the U.S. or abroad.

          More Guns, Less “Gun Control,” and Less Crime

          There are more guns (at least 250 million) and gun owners (70-80 million) in the U.S. than ever. During the last decade, “gun control” has been significantly reduced. Forty states have Right-to-Carry. The federal waiting period on handguns ended in 1998, in favor of the NRA-supported national instant check. Congress refused to renew the Clinton Gun Ban, allowing it to expire in 2004. All states have hunter protection laws, 47 have range protection laws, and 47 prohibit cities from imposing gun laws more restrictive than state law. Congress and 33 states have prohibited frivolous lawsuits against the firearm industry. Since 1991, total violent crime is down 38%, murder is down 42%, and robbery is down 45%.

          • eyeswideopen

            All those guns and we aren’t any safer?? Why not?

          • JeffH

            eyeswideopen if you haven’t figured it out by now, you never will!
            And it ain’t the legal gun owners that are the problem.

      • Michael J.

        Ewo, do you realize that as a republican and ex-member of the NRA, you probably ARE on the terrorist watch list held by Eric Holder’s greasy little fingers? Havn’t you listened to Janet Napolitano’s rants?

        • eyeswideopen

          Michael, I have been on many lists. I grew up in the South when it was predominately Democratic. I was a republican radical, who joined the womens movement, burned my bra and protested in the streets to stop the Viet Nam war. My first job was as a Tax auditor with IRS. I worked for a major company who had various government contracts,since I was a budget analyst I went through extensive background checks. Since I was a Republican, I didn’t believe in capital punishment, which caused me much grief in Texas, who used to shoot escaped convicts.In 1988 I voted for Ron Paul, and then started to believe in the right of women to do with their bodies what they wanted to. I was close to becoming a Libertarian at that time. That party seemed to be more Christian than my mine was. Live and let live, with very little judgement of others was appealing. I have had my phone tapped more times than I care to admit. I have been stalked by a Federal agency due to an association with someone. I know I’m on a list, that’s why I went ahead and registered my gun, they know me and where I am. And your point is? LOL.

          • Michael J.

            Dear EWO, my point is the question that, what is the current administrations definition of terrorism, and who are the people now being placed on that list. I don’t think you are a terrorist, do you?
            Although I do not agree with most anything you post elsewhere, on this topic our views appear to be closely parralel.

            P.S. hope you were not wearing that garment when you burnt it.

      • Neil

        Eyeswideopen, I don’t support not selling to people on the terrorist list because if it was up to Eric Holder, anyone who opposes Obama would be on that list.

  • Brian

    I can think of no faster way for the liberals to complete their current slide into political oblivion (which is happening even now in Europe, incidentally) than to alienate the millions of American citizens who lawfully possess and carry firearms – and who defend themselves successfully tens of thousands of times a year with those same firearms.

    There are always a few kooky anti-gun bills circulating in Congress, but even the more moderate liberals know that they would finish cooking their political goose by supporting them.

  • DURK

    PEOPLE WHO GO CRAZY AND KILL TEN OR FIFTEEN PEOPLE AND THEN KILL THEMSELVES DONT CARE IF THEY BREAK ONE GUN LAW OR FIFTY GUN LAWS, OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE NOT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND. THESE POEOPLE WHO DO THESE ACTS ARE A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION (LESS THAN 1/4%) SO PASSING MORE GUN LAWS WON’T STOP CRAZY PEOPLE FROM GOING POSTAL, ALL IT DOES IS MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR LAW ABIDDING CITIZENS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM CRIMINALS. ARE THE GUN CONTROL ADVOCATES SO STUPID THAT THEY DON’T RELAIZE THIS? LOOK AT THE FACTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE THEY HAVE DISARMED THE CITCENS BREAKINS AND RAPES AND ROBBERIES WENT UP DRASTICALLY. AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION WE ALREADY HAVE TO BE FINGERPRINTED TO BUY GUNS. YOU PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THE FACTS AND MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON LOGIC AND REASON, NOT EMOTION AND UNREALISTIC IDEALS LIKE MOST LEFT WING LIBERAL DEMS. OBAMA AND HIS CABINET DON’T HAVE ENOUGH BUSINESS EXPERIENCE TO RUN A DAIRY QUEEN, BUT THEY ARE RUNNING THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD RIGHT INTO THE GROUND. HE IS AN IDIOT KISSING UP TO ALL THE ARAB LEADERS AND APOLOGIZING FOR AMERICA. AMERICA HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FIRST COUNTRY TO STAND UP FOR FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY AROUND THE WORLD BY LAYING DOWN THE LIVES OF OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN. WE SHOULD NOT APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE! OBAMA IS A TRAITOR AND SHOULD BE IMPEACHED!

    • Cathy

      I’m on the same page as you…need to suggest, though, that you do not post in ALL CAPS. Doncha know that’s like you’re shouting?

      • American Citizen

        For those of us who have vision problems, they are easier to read. I do know about the shouting part, but I still like reading them.

      • BOE

        I think he is shouting..by goly!

      • keithehlert

        tell that to JOHN HANCOCK!when somethings important,SAY IT LOUD!

    • American Citizen

      I think it’s the members of Congress who bring up these bills that have to educate themselves as to what it takes in order to buy a gun now.

  • http://PERSONALLIBERTYDIGEST LU

    with so many illegal guns on our streets today, who’s to say people wont turn to the black market for guns. everybody knows you can buy guns on the streets today, how will they ever stop this from going on. I believe 70% or more of our politicians believe in the gun laws and lets hope they see through all the hooplala so this sorry legislation don’t pass remember there is always peace amoung the crowds when everybody is able to own guns good example Arizona state there you can openly bear arms and they have a low crime rate even though it is a border state.

  • richard cranium

    every legal usa citizen should be required to train and own a gun. no gun of any type shold be banned – military (automatics) should be able to be owned by citizens. the gov’t should issue a certificate for a newgun for every newborn citizen. a law should be established that states anyone or any party attempting to change. modify or alter the usa constitution is a trator of the usa, should be tried as a trator and when convicted – death penalty by firing squad. a lotto of interested citizens will be used to determin the makeup of the squad.

    • JeffH

      You must be a “left wing” radical!

    • American Citizen

      Now you’ve gone overboard. There are an awful lot of us who wouldn’t touch a gun, but are glad there are citizens who are willing, able and want to own them in order to defend not only themselves but the rest of us. I am thankful such people live in this country,

    • kathleen

      Have you ever heard of the Bill of Rights — the first 10 amendments to the Constitution? Or are you opposed to the Bill of Rights? Are you opposed to the 13th amendment that abolished slavery? Do you know what an amendment is? It’s a modification (change) to the Constitution. You have major rage issues which are clouding your ability to think and reason. If you have health insurance, you should seek professional help.

    • Michael J.

      Richard, or Dick I should say is pulling your leg people. Don’t you get it? RICHARD CRANIUM = DICK HEAD

    • Thurman Marcum

      Richard,

      That is really over blown.I support gun rights,not to impose my beliefs on others.To own a gun or not to own a gun,that is up to the individual.

  • steven jeffries

    i say again as i always do on this subject Fellow citizens goggle dickact 1902 Yes this is on the books it was put in place to put big gov in its place

  • Cathy

    Please know that the reason for the second amendment was for us to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government…like the one we have now! Take the guns away, the crime rate skyrockets. Check out England and Australia. Then…Switzerland. Now THEY have the right idea.

    I worked for the police department in Las Vegas, and…trust me…all the cops loved it when a homeowner ended a break-in with a shot from their gun.

    I agree with Ted Nugent. The second amendment is my right to carry.
    Nugent.wmv

    Love it!

    • JeffH

      Cathy, you are not the first cop I have ever heard this from. It is nice to know that you and many of your fellow officers feel this way.
      I am sure that many in our military and National Guard units are Americans and support your and my views.

  • Steven C.

    This Congress and this President are intent on distroying our Constitution. The Socialist Democrats who are in charge now see gun control, socialized medicine, energy control to help “save the planet”, and many other issues designed to “help” everyone as a means to an end. Their end game is to control through power the best nation in the history of the world and to go down the road to fascism. Thats right, I said it, the Democrats are Nazis. The Nazi party in Germany stood for “National Socialism” not some right wing extremist, but left wing. Hitler said it over and over again himself in his rantings, and was praised and exalted for being some sort of savior. The same thing is happening now with Obama.

    We, thank God, have the Constitution which our forefathers passed down to us through the decades and centuries. Did they foresee assult weapons? Probubly not, but the second amendment states “right to bear arms” not rifles, handguns, or canon. For that matter, arms can be pitchforks, kitchen knives, axes, or a car. The point is that the founding fathers knew that an armed citizenry would be best equiped to fight off tyranny. They knew that tyranny rears its ugly head every so often, and they wanted our nation to be ready for it whenever it occured. Now is one such time. I for one am proud that so many of us have firearms and know how to use them if need be. I beleive that this is the only reason that the Nazis haven’t made their final move yet. God willing, we will last until the next election cycle a year from now, and we can get rid of these vipers. But if not, many of us are ready.

  • Grover

    The gun rights thing is a fraud.

    The constitution says ‘to insure a well regulated militia’, AKA national guard. Beyond that, all guns are fair game. The present situation is a perscripton for desaster.

    • American Citizen

      Grover, if a militia is ever needed, there are enough gun owners out there to form one. Be glad they’re there.

    • JeffH

      Grover…I would say that your line of thought is a “perscripton for desaster”. You might be willing to give up your freedom, but there is a whole bunch of us that do not agree!

    • Michael J.

      Grover, what about the line right after that one that says: “The right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed”

      • Neil

        Michael J., don’t confuse people like Grover with facts. That only confuses them and makes them hysterical. Let them live in their own little world!

    • Neil

      Grover, GET YOUR DAMNED FACTS STRAIGHT. US law puts all able bodied males between the ages of 18 and 45 in the militia (up to 65 for military veterans).

      Websters’ has several definitions of Militia, including:
      1. The whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service
      2. Armed citizenry called out in an emergency, as opposed to a professional military.

      By the way, before you start any more stupid rants, the term “opposed” hear does not mean that the militia is fighting the regular military, it means INSTEAD OF.

      The National Guard did not even exist until 1907.

      • JeffH

        Copied from the Merriam Webster’s Dictionary

        mi·li·tia mə-’lish-ə n : a body of citizens with some military training who are called to active duty only in an emergency

    • Thurman Marcum

      Grover,

      Read your second admendment.

  • s c

    How is it possible that we have braindead zombies who can’t read? Why do we have no easy way to separate non-readers from readers?
    Frnkly, I have no faith in any system tht permits elected vermin to wrap themselves in the blanket of immunity when they can’t or won’t read the damned laws they pass. Some of those braindead geeks are so stupid that they probably can’t walk across a street without help.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if 50% of them ‘bought’ their diplomas and degrees. When it comes to enduring those who want to do away with the Second Amendment for ANY reason, I don’t need a handful of degrees to know that the system if falling apart. No Second Amendment means NO FREEDOM. When those Washington criminals try to enforce their anti-Constitution plans, I hope they enjoy the cost of their ‘progressive compassion.’ As is true with all life lessons, some people have to learn the hard way. Enjoy every minute of it, you King George swine!

  • Jack Kinch(1uncle)

    To lesson crime, stop breeding the uneducated to the uneducated creating demorats. We must remove this rubber-stamp congress ASAP.

    • eyeswideopen

      Isn’t wonderful to be the super intelligent Republicans? The thought that we ever make mistakes is just beyond the pale. Our new mantra should be “Republicans always Right”!! of course we will have to confiscate all the history books to rewrite the past, but no problem, we can get help from Texas, who is rewritting their school books as there are too many liberals in them. Let’s just do what Germany did and burn them all. LOL

      • Elaine

        OK????? where did you go to school? And whos indoctrinating the children??? OH Yeah…it’s the Obots. HMMM HMMMM HMMMM…..

        • eyeswideopen

          Elaine, this party should be smart enough to find real, I repeat real facts and issues to bring up, messing with stupid things like the song, makes us look like idiots, as Bush had a song sung to his wife, extolling his virtures and not one Dem critized it… Come on, we need to be smart in our attacks, People aren’t going to listen to this crap we have been coming up with. We are losing party members and look like a bunch of cry babies who have been given a time out. The Independents gave the election to Obama, and most of them are not uneducated, they also know how to fact check, and when we do these petty things, they just cringe and vow to keep us out of office. Hypocrisy is something most educated people don’t tolerate.

      • JeffH

        You have a one track mind! If you hate the Republicans so much, quit mis-representing yourself as one and using terms like “we” and “us”.

        • eyeswideopen

          What’s the matter Jeff, have you never met anyone who is discusted with their party? Oh, I forgot, we have to follow our supreme leaders even when they are wrong and we must all hate the same people and chant the same party line. I am thinking of bailing on the Repubs and becoming like you, however until I do, I am one of them!! So grin and bare it.

        • Dickie

          Hey JeffH,eyesshut & big mouth,Is a losser,It(WORDS REMOVED OFR OFFENSIVE CONTENT),While it reads the comments passed back(WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT).

  • http://www.thepragmaticconservative.com Charles C.

    Our Constitution gives us the express right to own and carry firearms. Why? Because our founders understood the risk to liberty posed by disarming the populace. The 2nd Amendment, therefore, is there to protect us against our own government, and if you take that idea to its logical conclusion, that means it grants parity with military weapons. This, then, leads to the inescapable conclusion that citizens have a right to own any type of firearm they choose and can afford. Advocates of gun control are really either ignorant and naive, or they want the government to rule over the people.

  • Vicki Phipps

    It seems to me this country could stand to lose a gun or two, at least assault weapons when a basic pistol can defend anyone. As long as I’m allowed to own a shot gun to hunt, they can take away all the guns that kill innocent human’s today and that’s fine by me.

    • Mark

      Vickie,

      How many “Innocent” people die everyday as a result of misuse of an automobile or commercial truck? How many folks died everyday from the misuse of baseball bats, tire irons, log chains, knives, crowbars, screwdrivers… etc. Your argument is very shallow and silly, when you get down to it. Millions of lives, and that “Millions” (1.5 to 2.5 give or take a couple hundred thousand) folks lives are SAVED each year, due to the use of a firearm. Yes there are bad people out there that take innocent lives with firearms, but chances are those innocent lives are not armed, and an even bigger chance that the bad guy didn’t get his firearm legally. Ask yourself this: Are narcotics illegal? Is Pot illegal? Is making Meth illegal? Yet there is no shortage in any of these things, despite being illegal, right. When they make firearms illegal only the law-abiding citizen will suffer, for when the criminals and the law-enforcement are the only ones with the fire arms, neither will have any problems with victimizing the lawful citizen! No you don’t have to own a firearm, but the fact that you have the right to own one and might own one makes most bad guys think twice before going in on you when you are home.

      More importThis also keep most politicians, in check as well, for that is the real reason there is a 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights amended to the U.S. Constitution. As others here have rightly stated, once you loose the ability to defend your rights, you will loose your rights! Don’t think your votes mean anything, unless the government has respect for the citizens to back up their decision with force as a last resort.

      Hope this has helped you see the truth in the matter!

      • American Citizen

        They don’t even need a weapon. Look at the innocent teenager who was stomped to death in Chicago last week by gang members.

    • JeffH

      It is the mentality like yours that would lead to a total gun ban.
      What constitutes an assault weapon? You don’t know, but whatever it is, it must be scary. There are those that would call a semi-automatic shotgun used for hunting an “assault weapon”.

      • American Citizen

        You’re right, Jeff, as you can call any gun, scimitar, baseball bat, etc. an assault weapon. Depends on how it’s used.

  • http://EnemiesinWar.com TacitusDominatus

    As the 2nd Amendment so clearly states “being necessary to the security of a free State,” guns are not optional. No, you don’t have to have one. But, the only way to preserve freedom is for those in power to know that they are not the only power. It’s the only way to balance power and otherwise maintain freedom. That is if there’s anyone left who cares about liberty. As for me, I cherish my liberties. To the degree that I will fight to the death for them. After all, that’s the only way we have them; freedoms that is. The red color in our flag is not just symbolic. It bleeds every damn day. Unfortunately, too often it’s from our patriots instead of our traitors. Lock & Load!

    • JeffH

      Amen brother.

    • keithehlert

      a big hearty WHHHHHOOOOOOO-RAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

  • Al

    Lee Edward and DURK….BRAVO!

    Excuse me while I stand and applaud.

  • Robert

    I hoped to live a peaceful life to and extend after I retired 20 yrs in the Corp and have worked for state prison since. I guess when they come to take my guns away I will be On the 6.00 news. That will never happen I see what is out there and and what we let out sometimes. I have rights which will never be taken away from me because some liberals (supported By George Soros) and others don’t beleive in the constitutions 2 amendment. I hope that day never comes, I will go down if I have to to prove a point. God Bless America.

  • Ramses

    I totally agree with you guys. I do believe that there could be a kind of control in the sense of registration. I mean, its ok to deprive a mentally incapable guy from having a gun but, hey, those are exeptions and must not be the rule. Why does a goverment would like to take away the method of defense of many citizens (law abiding); what is It affraid of? I say, that ambition of must-to-have-unlimited-power will bring this Police State Nation down. IMHO.

    • JeffH

      Have you ever tried to purchase a gun? Due to Federal law, the ATF Yellow Sheet must be filled out in the presence of the FFL holder. This allows the FBI to begin an instant background check on you in order to approve the sale of the firearm. This background check includes mental health issues. What does a denied response mean?
      There is no reason given for the denied response. This is due to FBI and ATF regulations and the Federal Firearms License holder cannot give you any reason either, as they don’t know.

    • JeffH

      …we, the people are the last line of defense for America. To disarm free law abiding Americans would be disarming America itself.

  • sonny

    We have a socialist leaning President and several socialist leaning Democrats who are trying to change this country, I only hope we have enough conservative Democrats and Republicans to stop them. This President does not listen to the people for instance government healthcare, amnesty for illegal aliens now gun control. You know what to do in 2010 and 2012, maybe then they will understand the will of the people.

    • keithehlert

      socialist leaning? HE IS A SOCIALIST!!!!

  • dennis okeefe

    Gun owners, NRA,bob livingston, all scream about restrictions, registration/licensing of guns. All of you drive a car…it and you have to be licensed and the cars use is restricted..speed limits, size, smog controls,headlights,etc. You build a house in most places in the country and it needs a permit, has to follow building codes, it’s size and architecture may be controlled.
    But when it comes to guns, you want no restrictions/controlls. You and the NRA have fought to keep it easy for any mentally deranged person to get a gun and slaughter people in a matter of minutes,. Our country is saturated in guns and yet we lead the ‘developed’ world in crime rates.Something’s wrong w/ your theories.This country is more authoritarian than ever yet we have more guns than people. Bush illegally surveiled any American he wanted to and I didn’t see any uprising against him w/ all your firepower.What I see daily in the news are stories of kids killing each other or sometimes their parents w/ guns…fathers who snap under job,or relationship pressures and kill their entire family,little innocent kids included.

    For the ‘originalists’ out there, the constitution says arms…what was an ‘arm’ 220 yrs ago? That’s right, single shot,muzzle loading pistols and rifles. If you want any credibility in your constitutional arguments, stick w/ those and you’ll get no grief from the people you call gun control nuts.

    • American Citizen

      Do you think our forefathers even imagined what kind of weapons would be developed in the future? Tha’s why they said guns. They didn’t specify what kind.

    • kathleen

      Right on, dennis okeefe! Here’s a statistic from the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence that supports your argument regarding domestic violence: approximately 1,800 women are murdered each year by men with guns. –There’s alot of talk on this website about freedom. What about the freedom of women to live without fear of being shot by their domestic partner?

      • david

        how many killed in the car accidents better start banning those also

        • eyeswideopen

          David, key word accidents, not robbing, murdering and threatening. Accidents get it?

          • JeffH

            Why don’t you lead the way for us and turn in your gun.

          • eyeswideopen

            Oh, Boy, Jeffie is pisssed off…Jeff, I will need my gun to protect myself from radicals who can’t accept anyone else’s opinions or even entertain that they might not be correct.

          • JeffH

            better to be pissed off than pissed on…

      • JAY

        LOOKS LIKE YOU MAY NEED A WEAPON AND SOME TRAINING

      • Thurman Marcum

        Kathleen,

        Majority of women in this country are beat and strangle.This by their boys friends and husbands not by gun violence.Have you ever heard of Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgeway? They never used guns.If someone want to do bodily harm,they will find away.Anything can be used as a deadily weapon.

        Thurman

      • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

        Any woman who would live with a man she has to fear is a pathetic exuse for a woman, especially an American woman. Maybe they both should be taken out of the gene pool.

    • Doug

      Hey Dennis O: Maybe I’m confused, but how do I use my car or my house (license and zoning laws aside) to protect myself from a tyrannical government?

    • Neil

      Hey Dennis, you are so quick to spout off about having to have a driver’s license… As we are constantly reminded, DRIVING IS A PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT. So I respectfully suggest that you take your driver’s license and… well you know what to do with it!

    • keithehlert

      a whacko in ga just killed 14 people with a baseball bat!you don’t need a firearm to kill a bunch of people.as for firearms and what constitutes a ”assault” weapon,when your nailed in the noggin with a .58 cal round ball from a single shot musket it will splatter your caranium contents all over and make just as much a mess of your head as a 7.62x51mm nato round or a 5.56x45mm round,or a shotgun slug.it’s all relative,a ballbearing from a wristrocket will kill someone just as easy,any and every projectile launching device can be termed a assault weapon,depending on how it’s used and utilized.
      ASSAULT WEAPON just sounds evil and is used by the librals as a propoganda label cause it sounds ”catchy” and they will pick out anything that they can utilize to demonize what they veiw as ”evil”.whats next?,a bann on bows,compounds -vs- traditional bows.the english at agincourt and poiteirs showed a bow can be used as a assault weapon,does that make them illegal?
      give it a break.
      the term assualt weapon was coined by the germans for the sturmgewher stg-44,a 7.92×33 selective fire weapon that fed from a 30 rnd detachable box mag,THAT was a true assault weapon,a semi-auto m-1 carbine is NOT,a pump action shotgun is not nor a semi-auto shotgun is not,a lever-action 30-30 is not,nor a ruger 10-22,though all these examples can be used as a assault weapon if utilized in a tactical role properly.
      the libral cliche and all defining and encompassing label assault rifle is getting old,they bandy that word about to sensationalize their left-wing garbage agenda.

  • steve youngblood

    In 1776 the rifled musket was the assault weapon of the time.
    It could shoot farther and more accurately than the brown bess the red coats had.
    It is incumbent upon the free people of America to be better armed than any enemy that may come along.
    That is how we became free and that is why Japan did not attempt an envision on our main land, and it is the only thing that will keep us free.
    You can disarm yourself if you want to, that is your right.
    Gun control only serves those who would subdue us.
    In the 20th Century:
    • Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined.
    • Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals.
    How could governments kill so many people? The governments had the power – and the people, the victims, were unable to resist. The victims
    were unarmed.

    if you want to see what gun control has done to protect the worlds people go to “http://www.jpfo.org/pdf02/genocide-chart.pdf “

  • W. H. Bill Wiggins

    These are some of the best comments I have read relative to gun control. Most of them are correct. A couple of things; ” it is not sufficient to be willing to use your gun in self defense–it is also necessary to know WHEN to use your gun.” ” If we should ever lose the right to guns that are used legally, WE HAVE LOST OUR COUNTRY.” The populace will not permit this to happen as long as majority rules AND we work together as individuals to regain political control of our government.This land was created by “GOD”; this country was formed by “GOD” to provide a home for his righteous people. There are historic reasons that will explain why and how this has happened. A lot of us will not like to hear them. There is a way to regain our country. “RETURN TO GOD”–PRAY AND PRACTICE. One last comment “Freedom of Religion can not be had Withouit Freedom” Thank You

    • keithehlert

      amen!

  • Dan

    I commend all of you for speaking your minds weather pro or con to the subject. This is an important subject. I usually do not fall into these discussions but felt i needed to sound off.
    I am 53 years old, a U.S. citizen who served 8 years in the United States Air Force in defense of this country and its citizens, now a disabled veteran. I swore an oath when I enlisted(yes joined
    on my own free will), to protect, defend and uphold the constitution of this great country. I considered this an oath for life. There is a saying amongst military people that goes like this
    “I may not agree with what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” This is one of your rights, freedom of speech. Along with all the other rights you have including “To keep and bear arms…” given you by the Constitution.
    I myself am a registered gun owner, a law abiding citizen and am military trained in the use of deadly force. Thank God that I have never had to use it. I grew up at an early age learning how to use a firearm safely and comfortably. I am not an active hunter but I can put food on the table if I had to the old fashion way. What I am saying is firearms are just another tool, like a hammer, an axe, a knife or a shovel. All of these items have been used through time as they were meant
    and also to kill. Do we see these items being legislated away? Hmm? Think about it .
    Anyway, enough said. And to my son, who is currently serving with the USAF at Bagram Air Base,
    Afghanistan. He works on the planes on the flight-line but still has body armor and carries an “Assault rifle” with him. Thank you Casey, from dad and a lot of other grateful citizens.
    God bless you and protect you.

    • JeffH

      Thank you Dan.

    • American Citizen

      Thank you for your service. My husband’s name is also Dan and he, too, is a veteran as are our oldest son and daughter. I often wonder if our youth should be drafted and at least made to go through boot camp. He or she could then decided if they want to formally sign on. It might solve a lot of the discipline problems our country is having with the youth.

  • Tom

    Opposition to any and all gun control legilslation must be total and unequivocal. Any reduction in totality or equivocation is immediately seized by the gun controllers as a sign of major weakness. Consider the phrase ‘gun control’. The fundamental issue is increasing and insidious government CONTROL over every aspect of our lives right up to when the bureaucrats who promote the current health care ‘reform’ decide we should die. That is government euthanasia. Health care ‘reform’ is democrat code for increasing control. Our very liberty is at stake on each and every issue we dispute with our government. ‘Gun control’ is only one issue of a long list. I am reminded of the metaphor to cook a frog. If you place a frog on boiling water it will immediately jump off and out. If you place a frog in room temperature water and raise the heat slowly one degree at a time you cook a frog. We are the frog. When we accept one degree rise in water temperature, a.k.a. government control, we lose another piece of liberty guaranteed by our wonderful Constitution!

  • http://jringmaster@embarqmail.com Anthony Mesquida

    When you state that Obama will take away our guns you show that you have no respect for the truth. You hate Obama so much that you will say the most horrendous untruths. Why don’t you admit that what you, really, would like to call him is(WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)but you don’t have the guts.

    • Norm of Denver

      Anthony, I know you mean well but are short on facts. We have some differences. Mr. Obama is a Socialist and will in time be known as the worse president this wonderful country has ever had. There has been some wackos, like him, who have wanted to take away our given rights to have guns … now there are some limits to the ownership as of now. As has been mentioned before, we have now limits on fully-automatic guns. Here in Colorado hunters (most comming from other states) use what must look to your eyes as an assult weapon. But to purchase such a gun a federal stamp must be purchased and a course on how to use the gun must be taken. Part of the use test is not to see if a person can shoot the gun a well trained ape can do that, it is to see if the person by action and speech is stable enough to use the gun. Today, most shootings occure by people who are unstable or in a state of mind to miss use the gun and it is not registered. All of my guns are licened. I have taken class and belong to a shooting group where I can practice indoors any day of the week. I do that to keep my skills high for I am confined to a wheelchair and nearing 70years. I could go on for a long time but think that Durk, Mark, Dan, Cathy, Tom and Steven C., to mention a few, have covered the subject. Now Anthony chill and know that we pro gun pro NRA people are mostly concerned that ignorance as being the problem here, and you fit that mold. I only wish we could talk across a table with a cup of coffee, unless that does not suit your delicate tast. I pray that you and your ilk do not have your way and that you wise up about guns and the person we have as president. If we lose our rights you will suffer along with the rest of us who have worked to keep our current laws. Remember the real bad guys here are those who want to take away legal rights of persons. PS please forgive the spelling as I just had eye surgery and the eye and fingers are not in contact as of yet! Norm

      • JeffH

        Norm, well stated and hang in there as we need more like you.

    • JeffH

      That came from your mouth and your mind, no one else’s.
      Obama has made it very clear what his position is on gun control and gun ownership. He has supported 100% of the anti-gun legislations he has voted on. If you would do some research, you might know that.

    • david

      sure I do SOCIALIST

    • American Citizen

      Check out Obama’s record on gun control.

  • Keith H

    They might get away with the restriction law because those fools wen’t down to the healthcare rally armed with guns with the presedent there,they will use that to validate wheather you can carry a gun, or even have a gun.
    Making laws doesn’t really do much in terms of stopping or preventing something from happening,drugs that are against the law to use doesn’t stop people from taking them. Laws are used to control people when it suits their best interest.The Elites that are power hungry love to make laws and take away your liberties.
    Look at the terrorist laws and how they can use it to control us.If you stand up for something or go to an anti war rally or you speak out against something,or fight to change this corrupt system, they will call you a terrorist and validate locking you up like a criminal, so that motivates people to be docile and except being oppressed.They use many methods to control us, i don’t have time to get into the various ways they do it.

    • American Citizen

      How many people went to those rallies and town halls with guns? The only one I ever saw on the news was a black man with an assault rifle slung across his back. The CNN reporter tried to make it out like it was a white man. The picture was cropped so the man could not be identified as to who he really was.

    • steven jeffries

      the secret service and fbi said that said fools were not a threat to said President its right here on the net and yes said fellow was a black man with a ar15 I believe it was Az and they allow open carry any time any where Oh you do need to do proper work to Own and carry

      • JeffH

        It makes no differance the color of the armed citizen. There were only 4 reported gun carriers and 0 incidents, 0 crimes, 0 arrests.
        I am sure that the anti’s were shaking in their boots waiting for the shooting to start. SURPRISE!

  • Bob Plugh

    I read something above that made fantastic sense. A lot of this violence is being done by or to illegal aliens. I bet crime would drop by 25% at a minimum if all the illegal aliens were mopped up and deported. I bet half the congress and senators would have to find new housekeepers!

    While we’re at it, we should send all the felons to countries like Venezuela, Russia, or any other such country – let them see how far their crimes will get them over there.

    BP

  • American Citizen

    The very fact some congresspeople initiated these bills shows we have to be ever vigilant about what our government is doing. Stuff like this is just the camel getting its nose in the tent.

  • john

    I sure don’t know what happened to this country. I know when the A.C.L.U. gets everyone sue happy, they turn people into someone they don’t themselves believe in. The white house democrats are nothing but power hungry liberals who want to destroy every thing. the right to bear arms was put in place so the government will not be the only ones with weapons. Lets take away the secret services right to bear arms too, and lets see how safe obama feels then.

    • eyeswideopen

      John, what do you think the Dem’s are trying to destroy? Certainly not our economy, as it was almost destroyed by the Repubs, not the housing industry, Repubs did that, not the medicare plan, Repubs did that, not the education system, Repubs did that, not the environment, Repubs did that, not our standing in the world, Repubs did that, not the immigratin reform, Repubs did nothing on that one. Everything is pretty much in the toilet, what do you think they are trying to tear down? Nothing is left. Here’s some of them in April, letting us know what they really think of Medicare. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_09/019796.php

      • david

        hey dipstick who was in control of congress the last two years it was not the repubs

        • eyeswideopen

          David, double dip, the damage was already done,, ops forgot you don’t know how to fact check anything do you?

          • keithehlert

            do you regularly have to replace the hobnails on your jackboots?

        • JeffH

          No matter what the issue, she will wear blinders and bash Republicans, all in the interest of fairness. LOL!

          eyes should have been a criminal defense lawyer.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, how do you know that I’m not? You have to be able to dumb down or elevate your level of communication depending on the audience. LOL

          • JeffH

            You certainly don’t have a problem dumbing down!

  • john

    Oh by the way anthony, The only one i,ve heard call obama the n word is you. your pathetic.

  • Dawn

    Gun control is a form of people control. The second amendment was established to create a buffer between the government and its people. The idea was make the government keep in the back of it heads that the people have the strength to completely remove them from power. What we are seeing is a continuation of what I call the new
    Liberal Socialist Commi Nazi Democratic party. I also see the need for power out weighing the people who support this measure. I also make a connection with that national NAZI Security FORCE The KING is creating threw the GIVE ACT that congress past at the beginning of the year. This act does more that do things like create the GLOBAL youth GROUP and the NATIONAL SECRUITY FORCE, IT GIVES MONEY TO establish a Nation WIDE SYTEM of FINGERPRINTING and makes it mandatory that all people who participate get finger printed. It also makes it mandatory that all school age kids participate to graduate. So the only people left to finger print are the 60 million or so gun owners in this country who believe in Freedom the constitution and independence of one self and of this country.

    THE KING has made it clear that he wants to rule America and he will not step down because he has also made it clear to the rest of the world that he wants to Rule them as well.

    The king has also already had meetings about how he plans to indefinitely hold Americans because they are a threat to himself and his agenda. He even went as far as give a list of different groups and the order in which he would put us in concentration camps.
    1. Gangs
    2. Veterans
    3. Political activists.
    4. Anyone not already rounded up that have guns

    He has already had the National Guard start hiring people between the ages of 17-35 for internment camp guards. Don’t kid yourselves people he is looking for all kids’ right out of high school. The other age groups is just for pretends.

    This is bad and it is time to do more than talk. It is time to fight before we do not even have a country to defend. We need to remove this man and his Court Congress now so that we can defend ourselves against there agenda of placing nukes into counties like Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistani, N Korea, and Libya ECT. Don’t kid your self either on this. There has been a clear addendum by the liberal socialist commi Nazis Democratic Party to do this. Jimmy carter created the concentration camps by taking army bases that were decommissioned and keeping a staff on board for the potential holding of groups of large people with his executive orders between 12000-12035.

    The Clintons sold every piece of military hardware all over the world including intercontintial missile launchers

    Obama has direct connections with terrorist groups and to this day we have no clue when he was born. If you take a look at his interview with the kid reporter last month he told the kid he was 51 years old. Do the math people. I did that means he was born in 1957 not 1961.

    We need to fight to take back America. We need to do it know because in a year time there will be no America Left. These people goals is to make sure we are bomb with nukes, use that to force people who love this country into concentration camps, use it to make the very young feel that they have all the answers so they will follow every NAZI rule given to them, Use the bombing of this country to force other countries that a one world government is needed and then take power.

    OBAMA YOU ARE EVIL and WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

    • American Citizen

      The public schools are also indoctrinating our young children. Have you seen them singing Obama’s praises? If they had done this when G.W. was in office, think of what the left would have cried.

      • eyeswideopen

        American, oops, you did it again. Yes school children sang a song about President Bush ,Fema and Katrina. They sang it to Laura Bush. Fact check is a good thing, and to make it worse, they were saying that Bush saved them, Ha Ha. Once in a while maybe you should change off of bush. CNN and CBS, MSNBC all of them had the other (Bush) song on a couple of days ago.
        You should know by now that everytime you guys try to slam Obama, Bush has already committed the offense… Pretty funny.

        • American Citizen

          Did those channels find anything wrong with what was done? Indoctrination is indoctrination, no matter which side.

          • American Citizen

            I’d also rather go to Facebook and talk to our grandchildren.

          • eyeswideopen

            American, can you ever just admit that you and your group will keep trying to find anything to attack Obama with, and when your glorious Bush did the same thing, you just change the subject. Didn’t Fox show you the words that were sung? Sorry stupid question, no they didn’t or you wouldn’t believe that anything was wrong. Go look up the words sweetie, and while you are at it, check to see what the words were for Bush’s song.

          • eyeswideopen

            American, here’s a hint, don’t go on the bash Obama train, about the olympics, as Bush went to China for four days. Just a heads up, as Fox crew and Boehner are ramping up for that one.

          • eyeswideopen

            Nope, nothing wrong, as it was Black Pride month, and since this was the First Black President the parents and school saw nothing wrong with honoring this paticular Pres.The lyrics weren’t trying to indoctrinate any message, studies show children would have had to heard the song many, many times, if it did have anything in it. Which they didn’t. Also the parents signed releases for the children to sing. So, the parents had no problems with this, but as usual us Republicans think we know better than anyone else, and try to impose our beliefs once again, thus making ourselves look like idiots.

          • Dawn

            American Citzen,
            I did see the videos and I can not believe my eyes. I had nightmares for days after seeing them.

            I know that many things are in the works with this man. My hope is that you read what I wrote. You take a look at the LA times to they have a video of obama at a terrorist rally telling Muslim Terrorists that he is with them and supports there cause and will help them. They refuse to release this tape. John Mcclain’s camp tried to get it released all during the election. They still refuse to do it to this day. As for Eyeswide open. Forget about the brainwashed idiot. All he can do is what the Nazi Youth group did during World War II which is repeat the lies they were told about Germany. The only good place for eyes wide open is in a Communist country. That is were he or she will be albe to follow and do nothing. Including thinking but he or she and his or her family is incapable of thinking let alone actually look at anything. He did not hear anything either because if he actually listen to anything at all then he would have heard stuff like ” strong global regime” I do not want to offend the Germans by vistiing American Graves in Germany” we respect the present governemnt of Iran and believe the election was fair” I can not dunk anymore after all I am 51 years old” I do not have time to find a church to attend” the new world order” King Obama Calls his adopted country War Mongers” says I am sorry for America’s actions at every juncture,

            Eyes wide open is just stupid and this person is so brainwashed that I feel this person is not savable

        • Michael J.

          EWO, since you brought up the Olympics it now begs the question, When is Jimmy Carter scheduled to publicly say that the IOC’s decision was as a result of Obama being a black man? And what does this reveal when Obama can’t even persuade a sea full of America hating Europeans that Chicago is the place to be in 2016? Is the annointed one now just a mere mortal? Will this cause George Soros to close his wallet? Will the Rockefeller’s now re-focus on Hilary as the 2012 POTUS? Is the decaying stinch of green house gases released by Obama’s ever declining poll numbers the largest current contributor to global warming?

        • keithehlert

          i bet you can shout,seig obama with gusto!you a honorary member of his ”privite army?”

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Bush was and is a great man. Obama is just a Chicago thug. Thats it.

      • eyeswideopen

        Try changing the channel from Fox to something else, just one day a week and you will be surprised at the good info out there.

        • American Citizen

          I’d rather watch C-Span and keep an eye on Congress. I quit watching the dinosaur media a long time ago. At least Fox gives news you won’t see on them.

          • eyeswideopen

            You are right, it only gives you part of the story.

    • eyeswideopen

      Dawn, you are evil, and we don’t know who you are. You are more dangerous as we don’t know which bush you are lurking behind.

      • Dawn

        How nice of you. To bad you can not read think understand. To bad you are so brainwashed you don’t know anything. My hope for you is that you are forced into one of those concrentration camps and you will be able to do nothing as they kill your family. trust me it will not be me that does that either it will be the youth with the muslim extremist that Obama has clearly stated in there rallies that he is not only for them but will help them.

        Enjoy being nothing because you will have nothing when this is all said and done. You will not even have life because you will be dead……………….. becauase you are not one of the choosen few

        • eyeswideopen

          I knew I could bring out the true radical. Concentration camp?? Laughing out loud. It is such a good thing that I know my cohorts on this site. Honey you are now making it into a psychological study being conducted by a graduate student. Our church is participating in a study to see how people react when the tables are turned on them and the same words are used against them,that they previously used on another. The study wants to see if they escalate the hate or stop and think about their own previous actions. You were too easy of a mark. How Chrisitan of you to then extend the hate to my family, who by the way are still little Republican sheep doing exactly what they are supposed to do, except they aren’t quite as radical or hateful as you are. We were raised to respect other peoples views, something you obviously missed in your upbringing.

          • Dawn

            Hey eyes don’t laugh you idoit. They alreay have them you are so studid and you are the radical. To bad you are so brainwash that you could not find your way out of your own bathroom

          • kathleen

            Dawn — Jesus said: “Love thy neighbor.” Seems like you have some work to do.

          • JeffH

            kathleen…Unless you know Dawn, how would you know that she doesn’t?
            You don’t so you should zip it, zip it good!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Eyes cannot take the truth. You see, Obamanites could be marching her to the gas chamber, and she would stand there and still tell everyone how great he is, right before she takes her last breath. You are correct, she drank the kool aid and how she is brain washed. Some poeple just cannot accept or handle the truth. I dont know why, but most of them on the left are that way. I think hatred turned them that way, but Im not fully sure. But something isnt clicking right in their heads, because their thinking is definately blurred.

    • eyeswideopen

      Dawn, it is pretty obvious that you have an obsession with concentration camps. Could be a little too much of that Brown shirt indoctrination. They do have counseling for that nowdays.

      • Freeman54

        eyeswideopen, isn’t really doing a church psychological study. eyes, is simply a troll. Doing what trolls do. Agitate, and attempt to cause issues and arguments. Ignore her….after a while, she’ll go away.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          A troll that is a member of the troll brigade. She has her Obama blinders on.

  • John Leone

    Let’s just get it straight. The second amendment was not included in the bill of rights to protect our use of guns for hunting or sporting reasons. The establishment has been putting that straw man smoke screen out there too long now. The second amendment to the Constitution was put in place to protect us against TYRANNY IN GOVERNMENT. Our Founding Fathers knew all too well what unrestricted government could do to the people. It’s stated clearly in The Declaration of Independence. The second amendment does not give us the right to defend ourselves. It protects our God given, pre-existing right of self defense. Gun control advocates seem to believe that a dead rape victim is somehow morally superior to a person who has to explain to the police why their vicious attacker is dead from bullet wounds. Never forget that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

    • American Citizen

      Most people do not think of the Constitution as a political document. For instance, the 1st Amendment was really about us being able to criticize the government without recriminations. If you go through every part of it, it had to do with restricting government and protecting us from government.

  • David Hall

    AIN’T THIS SOME DO-DO! THIS COMMUNIST ———(FILL IN THE BLANK) WANTS TO CONTROL EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES. THE SADDEST PART IS, THERE
    IS MILLIONS, & MILLIONS OF LEFT-WING IDIOT NUTS, THAT JUST CAN’T SEE IT, OR MAYBE, THEY CAN, HELL I DON’T KNOW. I DO KNOW THIS, I’M A LAW-
    ABIDING, WHITE, SOUTHERN, CHRISTAIN AND I KNOW, THERE ARE MILLIONS IN
    THE RED STATES (SOUTHERN) THAT FEEL THE EXACT SAME WAY I DO. THERE WILL
    BE AN ICE, FREEZING COLD DAY IN HELL, BEFORE I GIVE UP MY 2nd AMENDMENT
    RIGHT TO THAT COMMUNIST——-(FILL IN THE BLANK) AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THEM SILLY TEA-PARTYS, ALL THESE LEFT-WING IDIOT NUTS, ARE
    SO FREAKED OUT ABOUT AIN’T FOR JACK-SH*T. OBAMA, AFTER A WAR, HE’S
    FOR SURE GOING TO GET ONE, IF HE KEEPS TRYING TO MESS WITH OUR 2nd
    AMENDMENT RIGHTS. ALL YEAH, LOOKS LIKE THE TEACHERS THAT VOTED FOR HIM,
    ARE GOING TO BE WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK. (NO MORE SUMMER VACATION).
    MAYBE, IT WILL PUT MORE SECURITY GUARDS ON THE PAY ROLL IN OUR FAILED,
    CRIME RIDDEN, PUBLIC SCHOOLS. MAYBE, MORE COPS WILL BE HIRED TO PATROL,
    THE SCHOOLS. HE SURE IS GOING TO PUT AMERICA, BACK TO WORK, AIN’T HE.

    • keith

      amen to that bro,god bless the south!round two cometh!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      David, just so youll know who your dealing with, eyeswideshut is a woman, and I would believe her to be a black woman since she still stands behind Obama no matter what kind of backhanded dirty crap he pulls. Their union has to stick together no matter what. Right and wrong dont matter, just stick together. There in lies the huge problem we have.

  • Robert Byrne

    I’m all for hand gun control. Just don’t include my Bradley Tanks, RPG’s , Assault Rifles, Nukes, Flamethrowers, Hand Grenades, Bows and Arrows,Swords, Rat Poison, Agent Orange, Missles, etc,etc . I need that stuff ever since I lost my blankie. Remember what John Lennon said “Happiness is a warm gun”.

    • David Hall

      Robert, that’s a good one. I laughed my head off, when I read that. Don’t get much better than that.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Dude, to me, gun control means using two hands.

  • kathleen

    Please check out the website for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence at: http://www.csgv.org/site/c.pmL5JnO7KzE/b.3509205/k.BDBC/Home.htm. “The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence seeks to secure freedom from gun violence through research, strategic engagement and effective policy advocacy.” A statistic from their site states: “68% of the 14,965 murders in 2005 were committed with firearms.” How can any of you think this is acceptable??!!

    • DaveH

      Kathleen,
      How many of those 15,000 murders were justifiable homicides? How many were police shootings? How about breaking the statistics down for us troglodytes?
      There are about 40,000 deaths per year in automobile accidents. That number has remained fairly constant since at least 1980 in spite of the host of safety mandates that have been heaped on us by the government since that year.
      Maybe we should ban automobiles. Maybe we should just put everyone in rubber rooms, so nobody can get hurt. We might not live longer, but it sure would seem like it.

      • eyeswideopen

        dAVEH
        Our population has increased by 31% since 1980, so holding at 40k is pretty good for the accident rate of autos.
        Stats for 2003 deaths by gunfire.
        30,136 death by gunfire
        16907 from suicides
        11920 Homicides
        730 unintentional
        232 unknown
        It appears that us gun owners use our guns to commit suicide frequentely. More than half are suicide,maybe we want to keep our guns so that we have the right to kill ourselves when we want to without interference from the government.

        • American Citizen

          Probably less painless than taking poison.

        • DaveH

          The suicides are unfortunate Eyes, but nobody put a gun to their heads to make them do it. We all will be gone someday. I want to be free from human bullies (government) during my short life.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        We could have less guns, and gun crime will probably still rise, as we become more and more of a decandent society, bent on instant gratification, and the “its all about me” mentality. The more crazy and stupid people, the more violence. If they didnt have guns, they would just use baseball bats, knives or something else, so why do people still insist on blaming the gun? If they are going to kill, they will find a weapon. Quit blaming the gun people, and start holding people accountable for their actions. That just might help.

    • JAY

      WELL I GUESS THEY CAN USE ROCKS OR KNIVES INSTEAD CAUSE IF YOU WANT TO KILL SOMEONE YOU WILL.

  • http://none J.S. Boileau

    Guns are easily made available, so its no surprise to me that Criminals have guns. Americans are unreasonable when it comes to guns, while protecting your right to own guns, we sold guns to Mexicans, and brought about a Mexican Cartel, who are nothing but evil, they have used this gun to reign evil over Mexicans, and now are located in several of the U.S states. This group of Mexicans, fear nothing, and guns give them great power, America has gone to far, selling guns, that will now turn on American.

    • American Citizen

      We need to stop selling them the bullets.

    • steven jeffries

      Better go and check Your percentages again Most Illegal guns sold to Mex was sold by south America not north America

    • JAY

      WELL THE PHOTOS I SAW OF TESE WEAPONS WER NOT AMERICAN
      THEY WERE AK-47 (RUSSIAN) AND PORBABLY FROM OU PRESIDENTS GOOD FRIEND CHAVEZ

  • Robert Byrne

    Kathleen,
    Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. Let’s have government legislation that says if the government thinks your capable of killing then you should be exterminated right on the spot. Murder rate would drop to o% but government executions of citizens would probaly match our deficit. The only ones left would be the politicians and the give it to me for free crowd.

    • kathleen

      Thanks for the information, Robert. Seems like I’ve heard that one before. It’s true that guns don’t kill people; people with guns kill people.

      • American Citizen

        People with knives klll people, people with baseball bats kill people, people with stomping feet kill people, people with poison kill people, etc., etc., etc. People kill people. Eliminate all people and the killing will stop. We’ve had it since Cain and Abel.

        • kathleen

          The difference is there’s no such thing as an “automatic” knife that can kill dozens of people at one time. It’s pretty difficult to walk into a gym and poison a bunch of people at one time, or stomp them to death. Please try to think this through.

          • http://N/A Captain Ed

            Kathleen:
            I’m guessing, that you were most likely raised by parents who told you GUNS are bad and / or a city person, who isn’t familiar with guns.

            Some people who have had an bad experience with a DOG bite raise their children to FEAR dogs. Soooooo, Darlin what should we do Euthanize all dogs?

            I agree with you that Knives are not AUTOMATIC. However Box cutters served as the weapons of choice in the World trade center , Pentagon and PA hi-jackings.

            I also agree that everyone who owns a gun is NOT safe, and there are some gun owners who have NO business owning a firearm until they have proven themselves to be SAFE and proficient in the use of that particular firearm.

            However, take away all gun rights. NOT the American way. I respect your opinion, I’m a retired IUS Marine Corps Officer. Who served 20+ years in order to protect your rights to Free Speech.

            Or are you in favor of cutting back the Military also and truely believe that kissing the Posteriors of our enemies will make them like us and never want to kill Americans?

            Semper Fi
            Capt. Ed

            PS: Please excuse any / all typo’s etc. I’m late for a meeting!

          • eyeswideopen

            Kathleen, my goofie neighbor bought a gun, never owned one before, didn’t take the course I recommended to him. Well, this weekend, he had a snake in the yard, grabs his gun, goes outside, the snake turns and comes at him, he drops gun, it goes off,shooting out his sliding glass doors, going into living room and killing his brand new flat screen tv. I was happy no kids were hurt, but then I couldn’t stop laughing. I told him if he doesn’t take a course I will be telling all our friends what happened. He is no longer speaking to us. This is a residential zoned area, but since we live on a lake, he thinks the laws don’t pertain to him. This is a classic reason why gun ownership should require that you at least know how to handle a gun.

          • American Citizen

            Whole families have been killed by being stabbed to death. When there is a mob, people are trampled and if a gang, it’s deliberate. Most murders are done one at a time.

          • David Hall

            A terrorist could poison the water supply. (DUH!) There was genicide in
            Africa, between two tribes, estimated 750,000 to 1,000,000 murdered,
            cut to pieces and hacked to death by machettes, knives and swords.
            Bill Clinton said that. (DUH!) Take away the Right for (LAW-ABIDING)
            citizens to keep and bears arms, then all fire-arms go on sale in the
            black Market. Plus, criminals will have a total hay-day. (DUH!)
            COCAINE & CRACK-COCAINE IS ILLEGAL IN OUR NATION (DUH) GUESS WHO POSSESSES IT, (NOT THE LAW-ABIDING) BUT DRUG DEALERS, USERS & GANGS.
            During the L.A. riots, 68 murders, no telling how many rapes, break-ins, & property damage. Guns sales went through the roof, during that
            time. (DUH!) Why? People had to have protection, the cops were in fear
            of their lives, too. Plus, couldn’t protect everybody. You, people don’t have a clue.

          • keithehlert

            you are the most naive person i have seen on this sight so far,someone who wanted to take out a bunch of folks don’t need a firearm to do it,carbomb,homemade improvised i.e.d’s,chemical bombs,cars,trucks,swords,flamethrowers,etc,etc,etc,someone with half a brain and a truely psycho attittude don’t need firearms.your remark was plain hogwash,if firearms where banned.then the whacko’s would just use another means of accomplishing their plans,as the old saying goes,where there is a will,there is a way!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Exactly. Maybe our government should try “people control”, you know, where people are actually held responsible for the things they do, and criminals are actually put away and not put back out on the street the next day. People are the problem, not guns. Lets make people illegal. Makes about the same stupid sense.

      • OldFirefighter

        Kathleen, if you want to know the truth drunks kill more people than guns. As a firefighter I see it all of the time. Drunks kill whole families & they usually survive to drink & drive drunk again until they finally kill themselves. I have seen many gun shot victims & the biggest majority were gang bangers. If you want to blame someone blame their parents that don’t care where or what they are doing. They have no moral code or upbringing. Domestic violence is rampant in these same areas as well. If the gang bangers don’t have guns they will kill each other with a bat, tire iron or knife. You usually don’t hear about that as the MSM will not miss an opportunity to exploit gun violence, as most are anti-gun in the first place. They ignore other forms of tools used in crime.

        • kathleen

          OldFirefighter — I absolutely agree with you that the leniency with which drunk drivers are treated is unacceptable. We must work together to change the laws to stop the slaughter of innocent people by drunk drivers. I also agree that it is the responsibility of parents to raise their children to be responsible citizens. But those issues do not preclude the need for gun control. What is MSM? P. S. My grandson is also a firefighter.

          • eyeswideopen

            MSM Main stream media. Versus Fox stream media. LOL

          • Michael J.

            Kathleen MSM is a condition that any good doctor can cure. Just kidding, it stands for Main Stream Media.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Kathleen, let me explain to you what gun control means. And this is truthful, then tell me if you still want it. Gun control means taking the guns out of the hands of the working, responsible, law abiding citizen, and not allowing them to have them. Now, at the current time, over 95 percent of criminals, have hand guns illegally. Thats right, illegally. So if you take the guns away, do you really, I mean really, for one second think, that this would get guns out of the hands of criminals? If you do, you are fooling yourself. The criminal enterprise would kick into high gear, as they would know they could go and steal and rob everything and anything, because good law abiding citizens arent going to have guns. This is what would happen. What needs to be done, is much, much stiffer penalties for those involved in committing a crime using a gun. Now that would be gun control.

          • Bob

            kathleen says:
            October 1, 2009 at 7:08 am
            OldFirefighter — I absolutely agree with you that the leniency with which drunk drivers are treated is unacceptable. We must work together to change the laws to stop the slaughter of innocent people by drunk drivers.

            We tried that, ever hear of Prohibition? Everyone knows how well that turned out, the rise of the American Mafia.

            Gun Control is hitting your target!

  • John Leone

    Are the failed experiments in Washington DC and England not clear enough to convince any reasonable minded person that banning guns won’t stop crime with guns? Criminals don’t obey the law and will obtain firearms even when firearms are banned. Isn’t it funny how statistics are so conveniently used to try to prove one side of a debate. How about mentioning a year after year FBI statistic that guns prevent between one million and one and a half million violent crimes per year? The bottom line is that the only thing that can stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun. I practice my second amendment rights for the same reason I keep a fire extinguisher in the kitchen and insurance on my home, vehicles and business. I certainly hope the day never comes that I have to use any of them, but I plan to be prepared to protect my family and loved ones if tragedy comes our way.

    • kathleen

      You and your loved ones would be much safer if the US had gun control. Canada is a good example: “the U.S. rate of gun homicide was nearly eight times Canada’s… Homicides accounted for 38 per cent of deaths involving guns in the United States and 18 per cent in Canada.” Now that’s a statistic that means something.

      • American Citizen

        A lot of it here is criminals killing other criminals. A lot of it involves drugs. If i wasn’t guns, they’d find another way.

        • JeffH

          Dave, you are correct, but the anti’s think gun control of non criminals will solve the problem.

      • David Hall

        kathleen, I don’t know how to say this, without being labeled a racist.
        So, I just say, check the percentage of the different races and I belief you’ll discover WHY they don’t have the murders. Plus, they don’t have 300+million people there.

        • eyeswideopen

          David, the NRA has confirmed that we have over 265 million firearms in this country and it isn’t keeping us safe either.

          • David Hall

            EYESWIDEOPEN, MR. KNOW-IT-ALL, IT HAS & WILL KEEP ON, KEEPING ME & MY
            FAMILY SAFE. SOMEBODY, BREAKS IN MY HOUSE OR TRYS TO CAR-JACK ME, THEY’RE (DEAD), THAT’S SAFE. WITH ALL YOUR (KNOW-IT-ALL) YOU JUST CAN’T
            SEE THROUGH ALL THAT GREAT KNOWLEDGE IN YOUR BRAIN, CAN YOU?

          • kathleen

            Eyeswideopen — good point!

          • JeffH

            Nice to know you have taken to bashing the NRA along with the Republicans. If it weren’t for the NRA and related pro-gun groups, this country would be an openground for violent crime. As it stands, D.C. residents are much safer now, more than ever before, because of the NRA. Now the NRA is battling Chicago, and they will take up the fight for free Americans whether you support them or not. The NRA offers more sound gun education around this country than any other organization. They support the Second Amendment and the shooting sport simultaneously and have made many contributions to sensible gun laws.

          • JeffH

            How can you believe the NRA when you compared them to ACORN?

      • John Leone

        How about stating the statistics of the number of murdered rape victims, or number of victims of violent assaults or armed robbery victims or murdered defenseless women who aren’t protected by “orders of protection” or the vast numbers of other violent crimes committed by felons who will have guns no matter how restrictive gun laws are on the law abiding citizen? I truly respect your opinion. The fact that I respect it does not give you or anyone else the right to impose your willingness to be a victim on those of us who peacefully decide to defend ourselves.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Isnt our population bigger than 8 percent more than theirs? That would make their rate higher, I do believe. Too bad people like staff and teachers at Virginia Tech werent allowed to carry guns in there, as many lives might have been saved, when only the bad guy had the gun. See anything of importance there?

  • dno7956

    The only thing that keeps us free is the governments fear of the people rising up against it. Take weapons out of the hands of the citizens and it will all come falling down.

    • kathleen

      That’s ludicrous! Our government isn’t our enemy. We elect our government officials. We are our government. Why would we rise up against our government when we have the power through the vote of changing our government officials? Your comment is nonsense.

      • American Citizen

        Girl, are you ever naive.

        • H.S. Thompson

          Are you ever ignorant and paranoid

          • kathleen

            Ah, HS Thompson, let me define paranoid for you, I think you’re a little confused about who’s paranoid: Paranoid is exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others. I did not indicate a distrust of others or an irrational fear. Irrational fear is basically what everyone is exhibiting on this website who’s afraid the government’s coming to get them.

      • Valverde

        I guess you voted for the idiot. I did not, so I feel free to comment on his takeover policies. Did you notice how much the idiot has already changed things by going around the Constitution (e.g., “czars”), and this is in less than a year. It will be over three years until the next election. How do we keep the idiot from ruining our country in the meantime? Did you know about Northcom? They are training people supposedly to counter insurrection. What does that tell you? I am afraid the day might be coming where we supposedly free Americans would be forced to fight in the streets to keep what we have. Guns should remain in the hands of the citizenry just to counter such shennanigns. During WWII the Japanese aborted invading the West Coast of the US because they feared the fact that virtually every citizen was armed. A powerful argument for citizens owning guns.

        • eyeswideopen

          Valverde, Just for your info, Bush had 46 Czars to Obama’s 36. Please check your facts before making goofie statements which are wrong.

          • JeffH

            It took Bush 6 years, while Obama has surpassed that in 9 months.

        • eyeswideopen

          You should be more afraid of corporate America and all that money that they get from us tax payers. http://www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/congress_corporate_welfare.HTM

          • Elaine

            Yeah!!! especially since their all in bed with mr O!

          • eyeswideopen

            Elaine, once again, you make comments without reading, you need to check when those subsidies were given to all those corporate raiders, and who gave them all that money… Here’s a hint, Same ones who passed the Medicare Advantage bill and gave Big Phrma, the 428% profit they are presently making off of you and me. Get in the game girl, read and learn, then you can make statements that make sense.

          • JeffH

            One track mind…gun-control? Yes! Where does Medicare Advantage or big Pharma fit in this discussion? NOT!

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, I didn’t bring up the Czars, your buddy did. I just correct wrong info, that’s all. But maybe you should read these posts as they do go off subject, while trying to bash Obama for everything possible. I know you never do, so I will apologize for not being perfect, please accept my sincere apologie.

          • JeffH

            U R Welcome! LOL!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Oh yes, I agree. Like GM and Chrysler, that your boy Obamination just gave billions to. I mean, they did need to insure they keep the UAW votes for the next few elections, while they are screwing them over. Yeah, your democrats love to give our tax money to big corporations, only blind people like you like to blame it on the other guys. Well, if your interested in facts, here it is, right in front of your face. Obama and the democrats gave GM and Chrysler billions of our tax dollars. You cannot refute this, you cannot spin this. It is factual, factual, factual, so suck it up and take it for the team. You lose.

        • kathleen

          Nope. Didn’t vote for “the idiot.” Don’t know who you mean. I’ve never voted for an idiot. Virtually every citizen WAS NOT armed on the West Coast during WWII. Here’s the reason the Japanese didn’t invade the West Coast: (thanks to Ephraim from AnswerBag.com) There was no interest in invading the US mainland because that wasn’t the aim of the Japanese. They were more interested in colonial expansion to China, but had been shut out by the Americans and Europeans, except for Manchuria.

          The Japanese were more interested in advancing their colonial interests in the Malay and Dutch East Indies. The American warships presented the only real threat to the Japanese expansion (and Americans had generally been the only country to oppose Japanese colonialism as the US (and US corporations) sought to expand themselves into China. The Malay area was rich in natural resources that the Japanese generally lack.

          Are you really naive enough to think that individual citizens with arms would be any kind of a deterrent for an invading country? That’s what our military is for.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            No Kathleen, actually when questioned later, as to why they didnt invade the U.S. mainland, the Japanese Imperial Commander stated that it would have been suicide for them because we have an armed population. Check it out. If it ever came about that we have an unarmed populace, my God girl, think about it. All these Muslim groups would come in and take over large city after large city, and they would have it all. What they didnt have, armed gangs would have. If you dont believe that, then no one can help you, because you refuse to believe the truth, and if your like that, no one can help you.

        • David Hall

          Valverde, them left-wing loon tunes will never understand or get it.
          I wish some of them would have been the victims of the out of control
          crime during Katrina, like so many victims of rape, murder, robbery,
          then the IDIOTS might UNDERSTAND 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. The police,
          can’t be at all places, at all times. It’s a NO-BRAINER, but that is
          what we’re debating. So, please keep it simple, for them.

      • JeffH

        Look where our trust in government has taken us. I am not just speaking of the current administration.
        The assault weapons ban which the anti-gun movemet supports was ineffective and the statistics of it’s effectiveness has killed it.

        • JeffH

          When our goverment talks of “taking my guns away” and “I don’t mean your hunting shotgun”, I tend to not trust them.

      • Paul

        Kathleen, Kathleen, Kathleen. The power to vote? How many elections have you voted in? How many times has the Presidency, the Senate and the Congress changed from democrat to republican? Do you notice any difference in how things are run? Government keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger no matter who’s in charge. That’s how they keep their jobs. Provide more and more and people will want more and keep voting for you. No wonder the line is that only the rich will see tax increases. If the majority of the people will pay no taxes, get free health care, subsidized housing, etc., why would they vote for anyone else? They keep passing laws upon laws upon laws. Lawyers can’t even tell you if you’re in compliance with the laws half the time. People aren’t paranoid they just don’t trust the government, and with good reason. If the government knocks at your front door and says “I’m from the government and I’m here to help you,” you’d better run screaming out the back door. Besides, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.

        • kathleen

          Hey, Paul — I noticed a BIG difference when Bush came into office and started an illegal war against Iraq. We’ve had thousands of Americans killed in this illegal war. Tens of thousands of Americans wounded, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, including babies and children, killed. I noticed a BIG difference when Bush established a policy of toture, a great shame for the United States. I noticed a BIG difference when Bush allowed this country to come to the brink of financial collapse.

          • Paul

            Not unlike the war that JFK started in Vietnam that was continued by LBJ. Talk about thousands killed, both military and civilian. Besides, after 9/11 there were no more attacks on us here at home. I never was a huge Bush fan, but ya gotta give him credit for that. That’s the last I’ll say about politics.

            Bottom line; I’ll keep my freedom, my money and my guns and you can keep your “change.”

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Ok, here we go. History lesson for you Kathleen. Bush didnt “start” no war. First off, before Bush was even a candidate for president, there was Bill Clinton on TV, all the national networks, screaming to the world, that Saddam Hussein was a dangerous man with weapons of mass destruction, and that he had to be stopped. Now while this was going on, keep in mind the UN had 13 years of sanctions against this guy, and they actually did have pages of inventoried weapons of mass destruction that he actually did have there before the war. Ok, now, then I watched John Kerry on TV claiming that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and had to be stopped because he was dangerous. Then I watch Howard Dean say it. I watched Hillary Clinton say it. Then Bush got elected, and all these same characters, actually voted for this war, before they all did an about face and started pointing the finger at Bush. But when they voted for this war, they were thinking clearly. The guy was dangerous and needed to be stopped, lest we end up with another Hitler on our hands. So dont be so quick, if you think blame needs placed, to blame it all on one person. I myself, thank God this man took out this evil dictator who killed even thousands of his own people. But dont buying into whomever is telling you Bush started this illegal war. For one, he didnt start it, and for two, it wasnt illegal. Where did you get so filled with hatred Kathleen? Its so sad to see people so filled with hate, that the truth just eludes them, because they dont want to see it for some reason. I dont get it.

      • Freeman54

        kathleen, it’s time to take your medications, and get to bed. Do your parents know you’re still up? All 12 year old girls need their sleep dear…

    • David Hall

      dno7956, you got it. It would be marshall law, the police couldn’t
      control the crime. They can’t control it now. Law-abiding gun owners,
      DETER CRIME.

  • albert Shalhoub

    Our founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they put the Second Amedment into the Constution.
    Every where guns are restricted murder with a gun goes up.
    The criminals will always find away to get a gun. Most police do a great job, but sometimes if you are known to have a gun they will not bother you.

    • kathleen

      Albert — Please do your homework. Where are you getting your information from?

      According to national statistics recently released by the Violence Policy Center, Louisiana had the highest per capita gun death rates with 19.58 percent per 100,000 people. Alabama was second with 16.99 percent per 100,000.

      “Whether it’s homicides, suicides or accidental, what this report shows is states where there are higher rates of gun ownership, there is a higher risk of a gun-related death,” said Kristen Rand, the legislative director for the Violence Policy Center.

      • eyeswideopen

        Kathleen, hush, let those redneck Republicans kill each other off. Maybe then some Independents can start running those two states. LOL.

      • David Hall

        Lady, the reason in those two states, there is a larger number of gun
        owner-ship is because there is a higher murder and crime rate. Lady,
        the law-abiding GUN OWERS ARE NOT THE ONES COMMITTING THE MURDERS.
        (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)

        • eyeswideopen

          David, if you have so many guns in those states, why hasn’t the crime gone down?

          • David Hall

            eyeswideopen, Sir, I don’t know. I don’t even know if, she got her
            information right. I do know this, disarm the law-abiding citizens, &
            crime will go up higher. It’s a no-brainer. The criminals sure as hell,
            ain’t going to give their’s up. It’s like the U.S. telling Russia, (DUH) if we (U.S.) disarm and destroy our nukes, then you (RUSSIA), disarm and destroy your nukes. I mean, sir, come on.

      • cr747

        DON’T KNOW KATHLEEN WHERE YOU GOT YOUR STATISTICS, BUT YOU WILL FIND IN STATES THAT HAVE LEGAL CARRY PERMITS HAVE A LOT LESS CRIME RATE.

      • JeffH

        quote:”According to national statistics recently released by the Violence Policy Center, Louisiana had the highest per capita gun death rates with 19.58 percent per 100,000 people. Alabama was second with 16.99 percent per 100,000.”

        That means in numbers – 19,580 people killed per 100,000 in Louisiana and Alabama had 16,990 people killed per 100,000. I think you are fibbing just a little bit.

        • David Hall

          OH SURELY! NO LIB OR DEM, WOULD DO SUCH A THANG, AS TO TELL A LIE. THEIR MESSIAH OBAMA WOULD BLOT THEIR NAME, OUT OF HIS BOOK OF LIES.

          • cr747

            Just stating facts gentlemen. Been NRA life member for 37 years. Better check up on your statistics before calling someone a liar. Oh!! by the way, I didn’t vote for Hussain Obama, and never will

        • cr747

          THAT’S INCLUDING ILLEGAL OWNED FIREARMS TO. I’M TALKING ABOUT CRIME RATES.

      • Freeman54

        Violence Policy Center…now there’s an unbiased source of statistics. We should thrown in MoveOn.org, and the Southern Poverty Law Center too, while we’re at it. Of course you’ll get true and accurate statistics from them.

        How silly of us not to realize that….

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I do believe that in Australia, when they decided to practice gun control, that gun crime went up like 600 percent. It would go up more than that here, if only the criminals have guns. Ill guarantee you that. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, because that crack youve been smoking has skewed your perception of the truth.

    • H.S. Thompson

      Baloney, the rest of the world – except the dictatorship and revolutionary republics – restrict guns and have way fewer gun deaths or violent crime. Don’t quote the NRA crap about Australia because that is just twisted manipulation of statistics. What a paranoid load of crap I have to defend myself, baloney.

      • JeffH

        Soviet Union 1929-1945 Political opponents;
        farming communities, 20 million killed, Resolutions, 1918
        Decree, July 12, 1920
        Art. 59 & 182, Pen. code, 1926 •Licensing of owners
        •Ban on possession
        •Severe penalties

        Nazi Germany
        & Occupied Europe 1933-1945 Political opponents;
        Jews; Gypsies;
        critics; “examples” 20 million killed, Law on Firearms & Ammun., 1928
        Weapon Law, March 18, 1938
        Regulations against Jews, 1938 •Registration & Licensing
        •Stricter handgun laws
        •Ban on possession

        Guatemala 1960-1981 Mayans & other Indians;
        political enemies 100,000-
        200,000 killed, Decree 36, Nov 25 •Act of 1932
        Decree 386, 1947
        Decree 283, 1964 •Register guns & owners •Licensing with high fees
        •Prohibit carrying guns
        •Bans on guns, sharp tools •Confiscation powers

        Rwanda 1994 Tutsi people 800,000 killed, Decree-Law No. 12, 1979 •Register guns, owners, ammunition •Owners must justify
        need •Concealable guns illegal •Confiscating powers

        How many examples do you need that can show what an evil government can do. We have to protect out rights so that these attrocities never happen in America. It might seem stupid to you, and I am sure that many of these dead people thought the same way.

        • Normal Guy

          You are really silly. So your argument is comparing the USA today, the country with the greatest freedom, strongest economy best political system to Russia under Totalitarianism, Turkey really? Turkey!, Germany under the Nazis or China under Mao.

          Come on you can’t be serious, no one is that paranoid. No wonder you want a gun, in your distorted world view, living in the greatest country in the world requires that you react like you are living in one of the darkest dictatorships.

          Wake up the USA is the best place in the world, how can you possibly believe the crap you say.

          • JeffH

            Paranoid? NO! Realistic? YES! If you cannot understand the message in the REALITIES of genocide, then you are deaf, dumb and blind. There is a faction of this government, and populace, that feel they know what is better for you than you do. There is a strong minority in this country that feel gun ownership, of any type, shouldn’t be allowed. They, too, feel it is necessary to force their will onto free Americans. We see these types in the Humane Society, anti-gun groups, religions, environmentalists, biologists, and our own government. Who are the real radicals? The fact that our Constitution is up for debate in this country tells me I need to be wary of those that question it’s intentions.
            I don’t believe that our government is capable of genocide of it’s populace, but history shows it is possible, anywhere.
            Let us support The Constitution and America and be ever vigilant of those that look to undermine or defeat it.
            GOD BLESS AMERICA and the RED WHITE and BLUE and those that have sacrificed so that we can stay a country free from the threats of tyranny!

          • Normal Guy

            So you think that the US is on a path to genocide. You should look that up because you clearly don’t know what it means – Eradication of a group – like the Armenians.

            Anyway, that is the path you think we are on. Well that is truly delusional. Draw the parallels for me, what is occurring in this country that indicates that we are moving toward a Totalitarian/Fascist state. You are ridiculous, get out of your cave a live in the real world. Problems, yes. disagreements, sure, government subjugation of the population through military force – you’re hysterical.

            The world is a dynamic, ever changing place. I think that the second amendment had it’s place at the founding of the nation but today does nothing but contribute to unnecessary deaths. Sometimes retirement of outdated concepts is good.

            That is how I feel do I think that allowing guns in the hands of every right wing nut is this country is the end of the nation – NO I don’t. Do I think that Americans would be safer with fewer guns – YES I do, that is what makes this country great, I can disagree with you openly and eventually the will of the people will prevail.

            Get some perspective and lose the evil government conspiracy is going to kill all gun owners and lead to genocide crap.

          • JeffH

            Not so Normal…this is what I said and I quote:”I don’t believe that our government is capable of genocide of it’s populace, but history shows it is possible, anywhere.”

          • American Citizen

            All he showed is what can happen with an unarmed citizenry.

          • DaveH

            Normal,
            Delusional? You probably would have said the same thing in 1998 in Venezuela when Hugo Chavez was elected.
            From Wikipedia:
            “A career military officer, Chávez founded the left-wing Fifth Republic Movement after orchestrating a failed 1992 coup d’état against former President Carlos Andrés Pérez. Chávez was elected President in 1998 with a campaign centering on promises of aiding Venezuela’s poor majority, and was reelected in 2000 and in 2006.”

            If you like sand in your eyes, fine, but don’t expect the rest of us to tiptoe through the tulips.

          • Dennis-the-Mennis

            Normal Guy.
            Just a thought if you don’t mind.It seems to me that if you suround yourself with people that do not believe that we are looseing our freedoms a little at a time, then you will not see it either. If you venture into the camp of your opponent, you may see something that you did not expect to see.If you are stuck in an ideaology(spelling)
            your vision becomes unclear.One sided if you will. If you live in the big city,you go with the flow. you don’t make waves. If you live out in the countryside, there are fewer people so you get more of a rounded view of events.Would you agree that “ACORN” is a problem? I would hope so. No “ACORN” out here in the countryside.Out here we may not agree with our neibors, but we all agree that The Constitution and our Bill of Rights are under attach. we need Left,right,middle,Republicans,Demicrats,and Independents to all stand for those two founding documents or we are doomed.You can’t say that you haven’t seen all the events taking place all over Washingtom DC can You? If you hve not…Give up the media you getting you information from. Globelization is the enemy. There is no one in the country that will try to take our guns outright. now read this and remember. In the process of globelization,Many treaties will be offered by the new world order.In any one of these treaties can be a ban and confiscation clause.If the current anminisrtation likes the treaty, the congress only gets an up or down vote on the whole thing.Then guess what. A vote to except means now your guns are illegle,and you are now a criminal. The job to collect those guns could go the country of the treaties origine.No messy votes. no political fallout,no-one to blaime or accuse, and that can happen with anything, not just guns. Just so you understand completely. we out here in countryside know whats happening.I,family,friends,neibors are informed,involved,prepared. There is no room for anyone who is not prepared in our plan.So weather you believe or not.When the excrement hits the propultion device,we may not be able to protect you. I mean the collective “we”. Those who do not learn from histories mistakes..are destined the relive them.One final question. Do you know your history? From following your post’s…I think not.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Now Jeff, come on man. You cant go citing facts to these left wing liberals. How dare you confront them with the truth. Do you not know they are not in anyway, shape or form interested in the facts and the truth? It is not in them. They have interest in one thing and one thing only, and that is spreading their left wing liberal agenda anywhere and everywhere. They are right and everyone else is wrong, even facts and truth are wrong to them. I cant believe you supplied facts and truth, like they are going to want anything to do with that. Watch it now, here it comes. Watch them put the spin on these truths. Wont be long, here it comes.

      • cr747

        H.S. Thompson, your brain must be made up of BALONEY. Never heard of such non-sense. Been a Life Member of NRA 37 years, and have never heard anything like this.

        • JeffH

          I intend to become a life member before the year is out.

  • American Citizen

    There’s a case before the Supreme Court right now on a gun issue involving the states and cities on whether they can ban guns.

    • JeffH

      McDonald vs Chicago. The case will address the application of the Second Amendment to the states through either the Due Process clause or the Privileges or Immunities clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The case has major implications for the legality of restrictive gun laws not only in Chicago, but also in other cities across the United States. The decision to hear the case, which will be argued later this year or early next year, gives Second Amendment advocates across America hope that this fundamental freedom will not be infringed by unreasonable state and local laws.

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeff, why do you not want states and or local governments to have control over gun laws? Since each area is completely different, wouldn’t it make sense for the locals to adjust and allow different laws?

        • JeffH

          As we used to say at our union meetings, ” an attack on one is an attack on all”. There is an ever presen evil force in this country that doesn’t believe anyone should have a gun except the military, police and government. That goes against the very principles of our forefathers. All of those efforts should be put forth to fight gun crimes and catch criminals, yet our anti-gun legislators and their supporters just sit back and continue to introduce legislation to make gun illegal. That is much easier than getting off their fat duffs and actually educating themselves. The MSM supports the anti-gun movement, but thank god for Wayne LaPierre and the NRA.
          AS for Obama… Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sports shooting. (United States Senate, vote no. 217, S. 397, July 29, 2005)
          Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense. (Illinois Senate, SB 2165, vote 20, March 25, 2004)
          In his only two votes on confirming Supreme Court nominees, Obama voted against two of the five justices (Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito) who later affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller.

          You can trust him, but I don’t!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Liberal hotbed states like Illinois, New York and California seem to have awful high violence rates. Maybe we should just outlaw liberals owning guns. That would bring the gun violence rates way down, and Im serious about this. Conservatives use their guns for protecting their properties and business. Liberals use them to rob liquor stores and business’s, and to rob their neighbors. You want to refute this, let look at the facts, though you will call me racist for exposing the truth. Over 80 percent of the guys in jail for gun crimes are young black males. Over 90 percent of blacks vote democrat. Therefore, liberals are guilty of being irresponsible with guns. Maybe we should just make it against the law for liberals to own guns, and get this settled.

  • http://geoval@earthlink.net george valenti

    I believe that both Senators Boxer and Feinstein have concealed carry permits. ’nuff said ? Do what I say and not what I do.

    • eyeswideopen

      Nobody is trying to take away our right to have guns. For Goodness sake read the damn article and the bill. It is for the terrorists, not us!!!

      • JeffH

        eyes, do not show your ignorance in regards to the repeated attempts by The Brady bunch and the anti-gun establishment to ban guns! I live in Califrnia, one of the strictest states on gun restrictions, and I know first hand of the constant attacks on our Second Amendment rights.
        YES, there are those, including Obama and Feinstein, Bloomberg, Boxer, Pelosi, Holder, Reid etc. that have made it clear that they will make their move “when the time is right” to take away our guns.
        Obama has surrounded himself with anti-gun people.
        I do my research and I know about HR45 and the failed attempt by Bobby Rush to put it into law.

        • eyeswideopen

          Jeff.
          read this link. NRA and the Republican party is letting us down, look at those percentages and tell me that it’s the Dem’s out to get us.
          http://www.icpgv.org/pdf/2009_Polling_Fact_Sheet_FINAL.pdf

          • JeffH

            I have looked and read the link, and it shows that Illinois pollsters agree with background checks for all transfers, wheter private or through an FFL dealer. Where do Republicans fit into this poll?

          • JeffH

            And where is the NRA mentioned on the site?

          • JeffH

            I forgot to mention, you should do something about your “stuttering”!
            It make you repeat your unqualified, anti-American rhetoric over and over. Someone might get the wrong idea and label you as an easy “mark”.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          The whole left wing democratic party has been out to get rid of guns since who knows when. They are so out of touch with the common man. I mean, why do you think all these hollywood airhead drug addicts all are liberals? They are the same guys, that think they are so much better and smarter than everyone else, but in fact, they are so out of touch with the average joe, you know, baseball-hotdogs-apple pie and chevrolet, these guys are cocaine-champagne-caviar and porsche. They are just out of touch with reality. If they werent, they wouldnt continually do the stupid anti-American crap they do, then wonder why people get ticked off about it.

      • Kritterboy

        According to Obama, Tea Party Members and the 9/12 Project are the next terrorists.

        • H.S. Thompson

          Well I don’t think Obama said that but I have and still do.

          What a pack of nutcases with their brave nut cluster Glenn Beck and the Foxettes. The most dangerous threat to America in my life.

          • JeffH

            The most dangerous threat to America is your mentality.

          • kathleen

            You’re spot on, H.S. Thompson. Glenn Beck is a joke, a very bad joke

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Glen Beck is a genius. He is the epitomy of what is right in America. He opens his mouth, and speaks the truth, and backs up what he says with factual evidence. If you cant handle that, then you my friend, have a problem with the truth, which makes you a non-desireable person. (sentence removed for offensive content)

      • David Hall

        EYESWIDEOPEN, THAT’S A BALL-FACE LIE. THEM LEFT-WING IDIOTS (LAW-MAKERS) what a joke, HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR DECADES, TO DO AWAY WITH THE
        2ND AMENDMENT. YOU KNOW BETTER THAN, THAT.

        • eyeswideopen

          David, I don’t control the print media, wish I could, You need to do more research about the NRA and you will see that they are not what you think they are.

          • JeffH

            You are a comlete fool! The NRA is an organization that supports The Second Amendment rights for every American. They are an enemy to all
            anti-gun groups They are dislked because they are a powerful pro-gun tool in D.C. The NRA believes in the Constitution!

          • David Hall

            eyeswideopen, Sir, I use to be a member of the NRA, years ago. I’ve
            never said, they are lilly-white, but they are a hell of lot better,
            than the ACLU and ACORN, plus without them, I’d be hunting squirrels,
            with a damn sling-shot.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, you are smart enough to know that they are buying elections, and we are stuck with inept Congressment who can’t find their way out of a paper bag. It is one thing to education and instruct, but when they are purchasing elections from the ground up, it is not the America I want. Jeff, do some more research, they are not what they used to be.!!

          • eyeswideopen

            David, I have not been supporting Acorn or the ACLU, do you hear me saying that? Becareful, you are getting off subject and Jeffie, will come after you. lol

          • JeffH

            The NRA has to play under the same rules as everyone else.
            If they don’t play with the same rules, then they get crushed. Is it so wrong to fight your opponents the same way they fight you. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out the answer.
            The NRA fights for you as much as me, and they fight for even more than, I’m sure you would admit. I don’t care if you give up your guns. I just won’t give up mine, and I’ll support those that support me without predjudice.

          • JeffH

            I do my research every day. The link provided will explain the NRA’s purpose in their donation.
            http://www.nrapvf.org/About/Default.aspx

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, I’m not giving up my guns, I am giving up sending money to the NRA and the Republican Party.

          • eyeswideopen

            Maybe the NRA and Acorn should both be investigated. The NRA is the Republican pseudo of Acorn without the guns of course. I guess that type of big business doesn’t bother you, but our political system has been hijacked by corruption and money. They gloat about how powerful they are. Now that’s what is to be feared. What happens if you don’t agree with who they want you to vote for? Do they revoke your guns?

          • JeffH

            WOW…a comparison of the NRA to ACORN. I’d like you to explain that one. Do the Taxpayer dollars fund the NRA? I guess I need the secret decoder to read my NRA mail because they must be doing something illegal, like ACORN does.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, don’t be stupid, you complain that Acorn is padding the elections, Hell the NRA is purchasing them. One is no better than the other. The Nra is bragging that out of 230 Rep openings they filled 217. Yup, that is really a democracy alright. One organization heavily funded by Republicans, purchasing electorial seats. When I sent them my money, it was for education and information, not for them to purchase political seats.

          • JeffH

            eyes…I have never complained that Acorn is padding the elections. Bash the NRA all you want, I really don’t give a hoot! Your logic and arguements are without merit. Your need to even mention and parralel them in the same sentance only shows your total lack of the facts. The NRA has never tried to instruct someone how to get underage girls into this country for prostitution, nor have they ever instructed or given advice about how to avoid taxes and set up a “performing arts” brothel featuring 14 year old girls.

          • JeffH

            If you sent the NRA for education and information, you have gotten much more than you paid for. You should have know before you joined that a BIG part of their goal is to preserve The Second Amendment and the freedom to hunt, fish, shoot, and preserve habitat for today and future generations. They promote the shooting sport and educate youth through the Eddie Eagle program. They promote sensible legislation to fight criminals, not the law abiding gun owner.
            They “see thru” the Bloomberg’s, Feinstein’s, and Obamas for the fraudes they are. You may not agree with that, but I do! My freedom means much more to me than 1 gun a month.

          • JeffH

            What’s the matter, the “facts got your tongue”?

          • cr747

            eyeswideopen? What do you know about the NRA? Greatest organization for 2nd amendement rigts in the nation. Need more contact me.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Its like this pal. The NRA is All-American. The Democrat party is not. Done.

  • kathleen

    Captain Ed — Nope, wasn’t raised by parents who told me guns are bad, and grew up in the country. Also, I do not “truely believe that kissing the Posteriors of our enemies will make them like us and never want to kill Americans?” I did, however, have my now ex-husband stick a gun in my face and threaten to kill me.

    • David Hall

      Well, what do you know, you finally kissed, and told off on yourself.
      You married the WRONG MAN, that put a gun to your face which would be
      very frightening. So, finally I understand, why you are so much in favor of GUN-CONTROL and doing away with our 2ND AMENDMENT.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Ok Kathleen, its like this. Ive got to know, so here is your test. Question 1. Do you like the ACLU? Question 2. Do you like ACORN?
      Thats it, and the answers will determine whether you are a kind, considerate, educated, fair, American, or whether you are a dumb stupid moron. Go ahead and take the test now. Pretty sure we know what the answers are.

  • http://guncontrol Eileen Barayasarra

    My pistol and my yellow lab saved my life in 2005. Police were chasing a gang member who was high on drugs through my neighborhood. He got away from them, came over my solid six foot cedar fence and ran in my back door. My dog barked- – and barked. I thought my husband had come home, so I kept loading the dishwasher. Finally I realized she had barked too long, that it could not be my husband. I got my pistol and went toward the back of the house. When he came closer to me, I aimed at him. My dog panicked and since she could not remove him, she decided to remove me. She hit me and bent my knees backward and almost knocked me over, spoiling my aim. He got out the door and in to my garage. I ran and called 911. He was a big stocky fellow 24 years old. He resembled Mike Tyson, except he was Mexican. I was 66 years old and no match for him. The police were two blocks away and running the wrong direction. That saying- – “WHEN SECONDS COUNT, POLICE ARE ONLY MINUTES AWAY” is certainly true! They were out of breath by the time they got back here but they fought valiantly for 15 minutes until they subdued him. He was so high on methamphetamines that he just could not stop fighting. First they asked him about 5 times to surrender. He refused, so all three of them jumped him. He fell face down on a pile of old deer antlers. One pierced his cheek, so there was blood all over the officers and my garage. They fought hard until both of his shoulders were out of the socket. STILL he fought! There were 17 officers in my yard and the alley behind my garage by this time. My neighbor counted 16 police cars and one motorcycle, the fire engine with paramedics were behind the garage next door. The ambulance had to back in from the other end of the alley. All ended well. HE left in the ambulance and I DID NOT! His own daddy told me at the courthouse that his son would have killed me had I not been armed. When people tell me they have been “THINKING ABOUT” buying a gun, I tell them that if I had still been THINKING about getting a pistol, I would not be here to tell about it. Every one who wants to live another day needs to arm themselves. Kathleen sounds like a Democrat. I do not trust most politicians from either party.

    • eyeswideopen

      Eileen, why did you have to put a label on Kathleen? Doesn’t she have a right as an American to disagree with you or anyone else on this site? Do you really think all Republicans believe in no gun control? Well you are wrong.

      • JeffH

        Da da da ..da da!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        All REAL Republicans believe in and support the 2nd Amendment, you better believe it missy.

  • steven jeffries

    George Soros and other Big money is Thee One’s Controling This present Adminstration Help expose Them continue to peacable contact Reps in Your states they tried back in 04 to take control this time they got a foot hold we’re drawing a line here by being on line also when contacting Your local gov’t should any of these bills come to light insist that under 10th amendment to nullify such acts or laws in Your state in worked on real id oh and God bless the USA

    • JeffH

      You must have lost your breath writing this one.
      You are ever correct in your assumption of the George Soros influence. Billionaire Soros hates everything that America stands for and is willing to spend HUGE amounts of cash to buy government favors. Soros hates an armed population and the Amrican ideaology.
      Through his many foundations, he is pushing for gun control.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That Soros needs knocked on his bum, eh? Scary thing is, these cats in the Obamination world owe him big time, so I wonder what kind of anti American crap they are going to pull to pay him back? He needs to be watched, that is for sure.

  • Claire Slagle

    Why do some of you think owning guns makes you a “real man.” I own country property and I do NOT allow hunting on my ground. I am sick of the weekend warriors during hunting season. They shoot at anything that moves. An idiot killed 2 cows that were on the adjoining property. My sister lives there, and she has 11 deer slugs in her house. The bow and arrow season should be banned. I am sick of seeing deer running around with arrows stuck in them. Sure, I own a gun for protection but I sure as hell don’t need an AK-47. And I don’t take my gun to town hall meetings. I think some of you people should get a grip and use good old common sense when it comes to gun ownership. Don’t you realize the creeps will get guns anyway, and because of this they have caused this problem. Think about it. Responsible gun ownership IS needed.

    • JeffH

      I agree. A gun is not a toy. Every gun owner should show restraint and common sense. Every gun owner should represent the Second Amendment with pride. There are those that “think” they know how to handle a gun, but embarass those of us that represent ownership with sensible safe handling.
      I didn’t think it was a good idea to carry to any of the tea parties/town halls, but I understand and respect the rights and the statement that was made by them. There were no arrests and no incidents.
      Every gun owner has to be aware of certain perceptions by the anti’s and represent each other with dignity. You can’t argue with ignorance.

    • keith

      how yah doing?i am a gunowner and a hunter,i’m from the south and a ex-marine and have been hunting n shooting all my life.NEVER have a shot into somebodys house!and i have had both deer and hogs initially survive the hit and haul ass and we then had to find them later when they bled out,but that is rare,don’t lump ALL hunters and try to make us ALL seem stupid,thats like saying ALL driving should be banned cause of a few drunk drivers,thats non-sense!i resent the way you just lumped me in with idiots who did’nt know a cow from a deer!those were not REAL hunters!i have NEVER shot a friggen cow!i make sure of what i shoot at before i take up trigger slack or release a shaft.sure i have seen some idiots in the woods,but very few.don’t judge ALL of hunters everywhere because you have some idiot city slickers or kids or whatever shooting at cows.you can’t accidently shoot a cow!sounds to me like they did it on purpose.you ought to contact some real hunters and make a arrangment with them,i know of several private landowners we have arrangements with and we hook em up with deer n hog meat and one guy we help mow his property.
      don’t judge everybody and attempt to demonize hunters everywhere,the librals do enough of that as it is WITHOUT any help!

      • JeffH

        You are so right. We will always be judged by the ignorance of a few gun owners. That is the exception, not the rule!

      • David Hall

        KEITH, AMEN BROTHER! PLUS, MY DADDY TAUGHT ME, ALL GUNS ARE LOADED, EVEN IF THEY’RE NOT AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH. I DEER, TURKEY,
        COON, & SQUIRREL HUNT. NEVER BEEN HOG HUNTIN.

      • cr747

        You go Keith, I’m with you, hard to confuse a hog or a deer for a cow

  • Jerry Smith

    I thought congressmen and women as well as the President, if you can categorize him as such, took an oath to support and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Obviously the president has a different take on this. His take is to subvert or change the constitution to fit his desire and ego. We must all stand up and make our voices heard. We all know history repeats itself and for a real eye opening you need to read whats listed in parentheses here (47th chapter of Genesis, we’ll begin our reading at verse 13, and go through verse 27). This was the topic of a Sunday Sermon in a predominately black church in South Carolina and was compared to what the administration and our president is trying to do to us. As Michael Savage says DON’T THINK IT CAN’T HAPPEN HERE. Read it, think about it and if you agree come out fighting for your rights and freedom and don’t stop. Flood Congress and the White House with your thoughts. We still have the power not those in Washinton.

    • eyeswideopen

      Jerry, it probably wasn’t any worse that what is going on in our churches every Sunday. Stop with the fear tactics. Concentrate on real issues.

    • David Hall

      Jerry Smith, yeah, they take an oath. But when there is NO HONOR, AMONG
      THEM, THERE IS NO OATH. THE CONSTITUTION IS MEANINGLESS TO THEM.

      • JeffH

        “no honor amongst thieves”

        • David Hall

          JeffH, YOU GOT IT, BOSS!

        • eyeswideopen

          or “radicals”.

          • JeffH

            or “fools”!

          • keith

            or librals

          • eyeswideopen

            or hypocrites!! aka the conservatives.

          • JeffH

            or left “wingnuts”!

          • eyeswideopen

            or rt wingnuts!!

          • JeffH

            or republicans

          • eyeswideopen

            lET’S NOT LEAVE OUT THE LIBERTARIANS, THEY AREN’T PERFECT EITHER. LOL

          • JeffH

            or socialists!

          • DaveH

            Oh yes we are Eyes. The only time I have been wrong was once when I thought I was wrong but it turned out that I was right after all.

      • keithehlert

        or marxists

        • JeffH

          or anti-Amerians

  • Stitch

    I fought for this country most of my life. For the basic principals of
    the constitution and the American way of life. Been to a lot of other
    countries and their way of life. OURS is the best yet.
    I am very disappointed to see our President try to subvert our way of
    life, our constitution, our beleave. I mean bowing to an Arabian?????
    I hope I’m dead before anything else goes wrong.

    • keith

      does make you sick to your stomech don’t it?it’s as if he is trying to make EVERY american hang his head in shame!i AM a true blooded loyal to core american,i LOVE my country and i get angry when ANYBODY downs it,belittles it,besmerches it,burns a flag,talks (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) about it,he has NO RESPECT for what we have bled to preserve or what IT MEANS to BE a american!he has NEVER been in the military and he doe’snt have the guts to attempt it.i have NEVER forgotten when he refused to put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance!he SHOWED and PROVED then WHAT he was and what he STOOD for!!!that act alone said volumes about him and i KNEW right then what he was!
      since then he has not surprised me,as he has been true to type.he is not a patriot.he doe’snt care about this country,he is on a personal crusade to ruin this country and could care less what ANYBODY else thinks.he is a radical who showed up out of NOWHERE and idiots just voted for him becaise he was black and spouted a un-ending stream of (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)he is no more american than stalin in my opinion,but what the hell do i know?i am just a retired marine and a ignorant patriot.

      • eyeswideopen

        What were you doing, while Palin was overseas critizing us to foreigners?? Why don’t you get upset with her blaming us for the economic world problems?

        • JeffH

          You obviously haven’t read the transcripts from Palin’s trip.

          • eyeswideopen

            No, got my info on that one from Fox the other nite….one of the few times I watch and you are saying they let me down? Figures!! LOL

      • David Hall

        KEITH, I THANK GOD, FOR FOLKS LIKE YOU AND THANK-YOU FOR MY FREEDOM.
        OBAMA WAS ONLY IN THE SENATE FOR 2 YEARS, NEVER RAN A BUSINESS OR
        NOTHING. HE POPS OUT OF THE WOOD-WORK! THE LEFT-WING IDIOT NUTS, SAY
        LOOK, HERE’S OUR MESSIAH! AND VOTED FOR HIM. MORE THAN, I’LL EVER
        KNOW. WHAT’S WORSE, THEY’RE FINALLY FINDING OUT, WHAT HE’S ALL ABOUT, &
        STILL SUPPORTING HIS GOVERNMENT TAKE-OVER AND SINGING PRAISES TO HIM.
        GO FIGURE!

        • keith

          the ONLY differance between a libral and someone locked away in a looney bin is the looney bin folks KNOW their nuts,the libs have’ny yet figured it out!DENIAL IS NOT A RIVER IN EGYPT!

          • JeffH

            cracked me up with that one…

  • Claire says

    You know, I am sick of people slamming our President. None of us give our Presidents a chance to do anything! I am all for freedom and my rights as a U.S. citizen, but I don’t badmouth the President because of party affiliation. I am beginning to believe some of the hatemongers are on the verge of terrorism and yes, treason. I suspect the countries that are our enemies are thrilled beyond words that America is in such a mess. The Republicans will not agree with the Democrats and vice versa. I often wonder what it would be like if there were NO parties involved. Do you think we would have a more prosperous America? Would we be happier? I think we would.
    We, as Americans have created some of this mess ourselves. Some of us bought more than we could pay for, went into horrendous debt, maxed credit cards to the hilt, and yet we blame everyone else. And yes, the government made many grievous errors. WE all became GREEDY. It seems we are never satisfied. We have choices in this life, we make some good ones, we make some bad ones. Take charge of your own life, try to make it better. Sure, things are tough sometimes, but we have got to try. Material things do not count for anything if you do not have good health. We DO need health reform.
    And we would not need guns for protection if people would bring themselves up out of the gutter and try to be decent human beings. But there are people that don’t think much of themselves so they become criminals. What a waste. I remember what my Mother used to say–we have choices in life, make good ones.

    • keith

      what FANTASY world you come from????????

      • eyeswideopen

        Keith,

        The one where you don’t want to be in!!! She wants Americans to respect and care for each other, I know how stupid is that?? You rt wingers only allow your own kind to speak and God forbide anyone has a different thought. She is probably remembering when we all banded together after the 9/11 attack and supported each other, and even if we didn’t like what our President was doing, we supported him and kept our mouths shut, like good little soldiers as he was a Republican and they always know best. She is someone who is honest and good, and you don’t even belong in the same room with her. You are an example of anger and hatred and you only love the people in our own political party. I do remember God and Jesus saying LOVE ONLY THOSE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND DISRESPECT ALL OTHERS. Yup I remember seeing that in the Bible. Claire wasn’t trying to make you feel stupid or critizing you, he was mainly stating that there are alot of people out there who don’t know how to handle guns and shouldn’t have them. You as the typical rt winger goes off as though he had personally attacked you…. that seems to be the way Republicans respond to everything since we lost the election.

        • keith

          HUH?WHO CALLED TEA PARTY GOERS(I AM ONE)BROWN SHIRT WEARING NAZIS?
          WHO CALLED US RADICAL MOBSTERS?
          WHO CALLED US POLITICAL TERRORISTS?
          WHO CALLS US RADICALS?
          WHO CALLS US HATEMONGERS?
          WHO CALLS US RACISTS?
          DEMOCRAT LIBRALS,THATS WHO,BEFORE YOU GO CHUCKING AROUND ACCUSATIONS,GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
          WE REPUBLICANS HAVE’NT RESORTED TO HALF THE NASTY VILE CRAP YOU PEOPLE CALL US!

          • Normal Guy

            That’s just plain funny. The Right Wing nuts have been abused, the town hall shouting, gun barring morons are the ones that have been unjustly attacked, the lying distorting unfounded accusations are OK. WRONG WRONG WRONG.

            The founding fathers of this country would be horrified by the actions of the right wing traitors.

            The constitution was created by great men who had a purpose, they were intelligent and rational and created the foundation for a nation in difficult unjust circumstances.

            The spoiled un-American dopes who think that this great nation needs their violent solutions are simply idiots. There is a great system of government that swings to the right and left but finds balance in the electorate. If you don’t agree with the administration then get involved in the system and change it. If you want to attack it – BURN IN …………

          • JeffH

            Our founding fathers would be horrified at what our elected leaders have become. They would also be dissappointed in the people for ever allowing our government to become a bunch of arrogant, unthoughtful eletists. They would be smiling to see that the people can openly protest because of their foresight. And they will smile when right defeats wrong.

    • American Citizen

      The President of France just said Obama is naive and narcissitic. That he is. It seem he thinks because he says something, it should come to pass. He’s finding out things don’t necessarily work that way.

      • H.S Thompson

        Ya right – according to a guy that knows a guy that told Jack Kelly of the Pittsburg Post Gazzette. Great source, I thought all you right wingers hated the French? Whatever way the wind blows I guess.

    • http://nagr El Guapo

      (COMMENT REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)………..A loser from DAY ONE !

      • H.S. Thompson

        El Goo Poo

        Clearly just a loser

        • keith

          el goo poo???????

    • eyeswideopen

      Claire, I am sorry, but surely you see that the majority of Republicans cannot and will not admit that the past admin, or ourselves did anything wrong during the past 10 years. People who knew they couldn’t afford a mortgage, got one anyway, when they couldn’t afford the new car, they got one anyway. The greed could not be contained and now they are pissed off and blaming everyone but themselves. All of those who got no Doc loans, and lied on their appts, and had friends or bosses who fibbed about their salaries are in a bad situation now and they deserve to suffer for the dishonesty they promoted, which affected all of us.

      • American Citizen

        All you can do is bash the past administration. We can’t live in the past, we have to do what we can for today. I think you hate it that you can’t admit you goofed in voting for Obama.

        • eyeswideopen

          American, No I goofed when I voted for Bush and his cronies.

        • keith

          THAT IS THE RUB FOR THEM AIN’T IT?

    • H.S. Thompson

      Claire

      Good for you. Rational and considered.

    • David Hall

      CLAIRE, GOOD KEEP ON GETTIN SICK, BECAUSE IT’S JUST STARTING!

    • David Hall

      Claire, Obama is the one on the verge of treason.

    • American Citizen

      Claire, those of us who paid attention to what Obama was saying during his campaign knew what he was bringing to the table. That’s why we can criticize his policies. That’s what the 1st Amendment is all about. It also gives us the right to tell others when he is lying to us. It doesn’t take a Mensa brain to see what the consequences of any those bills will be.

    • Freeman54

      Screw YOUR president. He’s not mine. And he never will be. I’ll keep my freedom, guns, and religion. YOU keep the change pard.

      I’ve proudly never once referred to him as “President”. I’ve never once listened to a single speech of his. Missed every single minute of the inauguration.

      Never thought Jimmy Carter would look so good.

  • keith

    one night as i was crashed out a (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) jimmied my back door to my trailer,my lights were all off as i had went to sleep early before it got dark,something woke me,i got vibes,as a ex-marine i listen to my gut instinct,the damn trailer floor creeked and i friggen KNEW i was not alone in my house.i grabbed my m-1 carbine and slowly chambered a round and queitly assumed a shooting position next to the bed.i heard the theiving (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) approach down the hall corridor and i aimed at the door.his silouette appeared in the doorway as he peaked around the door frame,he was trying to be as quiet as he could,he did’nt see me as i was low and in the shadows(there was light from a streetlight coming in from the windows)which i avoided,well he came into the bedroom and stopped stockstill,i suppose he sensed he was being watched,i then said,”you have two choices m-f,either lay down and put your friggen hands over your head or die.he then reached into his pocket and i pumped two rounds into his center mass and he dropped like a rock,he was dead by the time the police showed up.turns out he was wanted and had several warrents out for various things and was a hibitual criminal and he WAS ARMED with a beretta cheetah(.32 acp handgun),know the (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) won’t ever rob again!he met his death,if i had been asleep and he had made it into my b.r i wound’nt be around to tell of this.i could’nt call the police as it was dark as pitch and my cell was in the living room,i KNEW where my weapon was and as i keep it locked and cocked i had instant access to it.scratch one (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT).i was cleared of any wrong.
    i caught a (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) breaking into my neighbors house onetime(there was 2 of them)while he was on vacation,the barking of another neighbors dog alerted me so being the ex-marine that i am,i grabbed a shotgun put on a dark shirt and snuck over there to see what was up.i caught the two (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) with their pantsdown in the act of breaking into his house and rose up out of the bushes and held them there untill the police showed up(23 minutes later),i would have been more than happy to turn them both into human speghetti colinders if they had done something stupid,but they sensed i was SERIOUS and chilled out.they were both arrested and had prior b&e charges,also another time when i was working in atlanta doing construction work,if i had’nt had my m-1911 on me i would have been robbed by three (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) who tried to threaten me with a knife and demand money,they ended up staring at the muzzle of my .45 which seems like a howitzer barrel when your on the wrong end of it! they took off and i finished my phone call at the payphone.
    i will NEVER EVER WILLINGLY give up my guns,that is my RIGHT as a american!i served in the military to preserve that right,it’s what FREEDOM means and when they try and disarm us that will NO LONGER be the U.S OF A that i knew,as the old saying goes,”when guns are outlawed,only outlaws will have guns”,they in washington are the criminals,when they break the laws of the bill of rights upon which the founding fathers made SURE as they could that those rights were to be in exsistance as long as this great nation was in exsistance,there is NO JUSTIFICATION to attempt to try and disarm us.WE ARE TO MY KNOWLEDGE THE LAST NON-SOCIALISTIC COUNTRY LEFT!LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY!!!!!
    FREEDOM OR DEATH!!

    • H.S Thompson

      You sound like a real hero. In your own mind at least. I would suspect somewhat delusional.

      • American Citizen

        You have to be an ostrich with your head buried in the sand. Pray you are never in a situation such as he described.

      • keith

        DELUSIONAL?i hope and pray you never find yourself in a situation as those,but if you do,then beleive me as you WAIT for the police to show up and the theif,nutjob who broke into your house is coming at you with a knife,baseball bat or whatever,you’ll wish to god you would have had a gun!i am NOT delusional,i did’nt take no pleasure in shooting the guy,i just did what i had to do,me or him,period!i don’t consider myself no hero,i bet if a hood ever pulled a knife on you,you’d break your arm getting your wallet out to give him and plead for your backboneless life!me,i’m just cut from different cloth!

        • Normal Guy

          All the marines that I know would not hide in the dark with a gun. They would just take the guy down. No need for a gun if you are trained really is there? I think that you live in your own little fictional world. A legend in your own mind.

          I have been in lots of tough situations and never felt that a gun was something I needed, I don’t fear the world and I have always been able to handle myself. If I face a gun and have mine in a holster it won’t do me much good will it? I guess I could just keep it in my hand at all times. Oh and before you go on about my fear of guns, I have carried a 357 when I did some prospecting in Northern Canada, when that part of my life concluded, I sold the gun, needed it for bears, not for people.

          I’m sure your exploits must have made the news, any link to the story of the thief killing marine? Or is it classified because your still active but undercover?

          • JeffH

            You carried a 357 for protection against bears? Seems a little light for bears. Forgot, you can handle yourself!

          • David Hall

            Normal, you are so far, OUT THERE! How can anybody respond to one of
            your loco- comments? You must have spent a lot of time back in the 60′s, eating mushrooms out of cow-patties, in your flower-child years.

          • Freeman54

            Hey, bro….you need to change your name, to abnormal guy, ok? More accurate.

  • Doff Trolio

    My word for the dirt bags in D. C. is go to hell. I will never give my guns up. My word is come and get me, but be ready to die. Washington d. c. must be cleaned of corruption. Maybe the only answer is to dose everything away an start over. Tar and feather all politicians an ride them out on a razor sharp rail,than put them on a plane and drop the in the darkest part of Africa. This insanity must stop.

    • H.S. Thompson

      Sure should be guns turned on the government?. Just go threaten and shoot those you disagree with. Red neck ignorance on display.

      • David Hall

        THOMPSON, THE GUNS WILL BE TURNED ON GOVERNMENT, NOT FOR DISAGREEING,
        DUMBY, BUT IF THEY TRY TO TAKE LAW-ABIDING PEOPLE’S GUNS. WHAT HOLE,
        DID YOU PEOPLE CRAW, OUT OF. DAMN-IT-BOY.

        • H.S Thompson

          Interesting to see the venom that comes out of all these law abiding citizens. “If they come for my guns they will have to take them from my cold dead hands” You people are delusional. Waco Texas – lunatics, not heroes.

          Get a grip.

          • JeffH

            Maybe you would like to join the government and attempt to take the guns away from us? Oh, your kind doesn’t have the stomach or the backbone for the dirty work.

          • eyeswideopen

            H.S.
            Funny thing is they want us to believe that they would be cool, calm and collected during a crisis. Wouldn’t you love it for them to have the gun on you, making the decision on your innocence? You would be ok, if they don’t know that you aren’t a radical. Best to lie and act like a rt wingnut, then you’d be ok.

  • James Corbin

    We have to have a two-party system! We are in trouble now, because it’s all one party. We’re headed for dictator ship!

    • eyeswideopen

      James, is that what you thought when the Repubs were running the country from 1995 to 2007? You should be afraid, as the Conservatives want only one religion, one party which equals communism.

      • JeffH

        JEEEEEZ! You sound like a broken record or a parrot! Republicans…Republicans…Republicans…Republicans

        • Normal Guy

          I would bet that you are the typical 98 pound weakling who needs a big gun to have any power. You would probably cower in fear if anyone actually confronted you. My bet you are all bark and no bite.

          If you are one of the fringe nutcases who would actually take up arms against this country. There is a special place in hell for you. America love it or leave it, fight for change but leave the guns out of it. Your paranoid rants about the government coming to subjugate you are ignorant and pitiful. Grow a spine.

          • David Hall

            Normal, you are one sick, puppy.

          • JeffH

            Believe what you want to believe. But should we ever meet, then you can rethink it.

          • JeffH

            If you ever come to Clovis or central California, let me know, I’ll give you my contact information. Then we can find out who is and is not a coward.

        • eyeswideopen

          Jeff, I could just parrot you guys and say, Dictator, dictator, or Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, oh, that’s right you have a whole repertoire don’t you?? It is so easy to get under your skin lately, what happened to the calm reasonable Jeff we used to know?

          • JeffH

            No one can get under my skin! I am here because I choose to.

          • David Hall

            Eyes, What’s up with all this little boy, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, dictator,
            dictator, I’m disappointed in you. I thought you were a BIG BOY, left-
            wing liberal. Eyes, here is your lesson for today! Our Service Men and
            Women & patriots wanting to uphold our Constitution are not Nazis, they
            are RED BLOODED AMERICANS. Oh! yeah! almost forgot, you might be almost
            right about the terrorists buying a legal hand-gun. They would be about
            that damn dumb, sense he would swallow the last bullet, to get to go
            to hell, where them 70 virgins are waiting on him in the dark of the
            night.

          • David Hall

            Eyes, What’s up with all this little boy, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, dictator,
            dictator, I’m disappointed in you. I thought you were a BIG BOY, left-
            wing liberal. Eyes, here is your lesson for today! Our Service Men and
            Women & patriots wanting to uphold our Constitution are not Nazis, they are RED BLOODED AMERICANS. Oh! yeah! almost forgot, you might be almost right about the terrorists buying a legal hand-gun. They would be about that damn dumb, sense he would swallow the last bullet, to get to go to hell, where them 70 virgins are waiting on him in the dark of the night.

        • keith

          thats a insult to ALL paretts,they are not that dumb!when discibing a libral you must dummifie them down more,say about the level of a sheep!

          • David Hall

            Boss! I said, Eyes was ALMOST RIGHT. That little liberal left-wing
            brain keeps them ALL FROM BEING RIGHT. HA! HA!

  • American Citizen

    Heard something funny this evening. The governor of Minnesota was asked what he though of the health care bill. He said, “It’s like a manure spreader in a windstorm.”

    • eyeswideopen

      American, you shouldn’t be laughing as when the system goes, there goes your medical care too. You will be left with nothing.!! It needs reform before Big Phrma gets all the money out of the system.

      • David Hall

        eyeswideopen, yeah! we do need health-care reform, but not GOV.CONTROLLED health care reform. Plus, them idiots, pass bills and
        DON’T READ THEM. Anytime the Government sticks their nose in anything,
        they will bankrupt it. Look at the Postal Service, Medicaid, Medicare,
        Social Security, V.A. Hospitals, gave billions to GM to keep them from
        going bankrupt, AFTER they took the TAX-PAYERS MONEY, they still filed
        bankruptcy. Did I leave out anything?

        • eyeswideopen

          David, who do you want to control our socialized government Medicare program? Oh, let me guess, you want the Private Insurance companies to run it for us? Hey American kiss your care good bye.

          • American Citizen

            Eyes, for once you’re right, if the government health care goes through, that’ll be the end of Medicare. All of us will be forced into the government program except Congress and their employees. Obama himself has said this is what is in his plan.

          • David Hall

            Eyes, your dems can pass anything they want, they got the numbers. The
            tea-parties & Republicans can’t stop em. What’s their hold-up? If there is no Gov. health-care, it damn sure want be the republicans,
            fault.

  • http://nagr El Guapo

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  • Rich

    eyeswideopen,

    I see your frustration and am sorry that so many are ignorant and unable to see the difference between thinking for oneself and following blindly. I must be one of the ‘odd men out’ when it comes to right after 9/11 and following blindly cause I was critical of the legislation being passed, but I had not found this site yet.

    I do have to say to Claire, that we don’t have a 2 party system, and probably have not had one for years. Oh they say they believe in different things, but they all follow the same primary agenda of growing the government to unsustainable levels. Yes they keep up appearances by voting strictly different on various issues, but when you boil it down both Republicans and Democrats, at least the politicians are the same party when it comes to being corrupt and trying to destroy rather than uphold the constitution.

    • JeffH

      They just have a differant approach to achieve their goals. Power and greed and control of the population.

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeff, you are truly blind. Not stupid, just in a state of denial.

        • JeffH

          1.My comment was meant to include both parties.
          2.I don’t think so.

  • Bob

    YOU GUYS ARE SO FULL OF (word removed for offensive content) IT IS BEYOND BELIEF. ALL HANDGUNS SHOULD ILLEGAL. ONLY SHOTGINS SHOULD BE PERMITTED AND THERE SHOULD BE A LIMIT ON GUN OWNERSHIP.

    • JeffH

      And you should run for office! NOT!

    • keith

      socialistic babble at it’s finest!MOVE TO A SOCIALISTIC COUNTRY THEN!

    • David Hall

      Yeah! ole Bob, I’m sure the gang-bangers, car-jackers, bank-robbers,
      dope-dealers, rapists, burgulars, drive-by-shooters are just going to
      stand in line and give-em up. Very good observation, you got it, going
      on.

    • Freeman54

      Bob, you’re a poster child for forced sterilization. Or abortion, you’ll work for either. (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT).

  • JerryW

    Anyone who beleves that it is OK to register gun owners should watch the old movie “Red Dawn”. In that movie, “the enemy” takes over a small US town and the first thing the commander says is: “Go to the courthouse and get the form “xxx” which has the name of everyone who has guns, then find thoes people and get the guns!”.
    Now do you understand why the liberals want “registration”?

    • JeffH

      Good movie, entertaining, but not realistic.

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeff, you are ok with that, and telling them where your gun is right?

        • JeffH

          Spam it!

  • James

    If memory serves, the subject here was the Second Amendment. The amendment does not secure or protect the right to bear arms, its sole purpose is to prevent the federal government from infringing on the right.
    In Barron v. Baltimore, 32 U.S. 243, 247 (1833), Mr. Chief Justice Marshall said: “The [U.S.] constitution was ordained and established by the people of the United States for themselves, for their own government, and not for the government of the individual states…the fifth amendment must be understood as restraining the power of the general government, not as applicable to the states.” (Bold added.)
    In United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 553 (1875), a mob of whites had disarmed two blacks (in Louisiana) and the issue was whether that action had violated the right of blacks to bear arms, and thus violated the Second Amendment. Mr. Chief Justice Waite said: “This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress. This is one of the amendments that has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government.” (Bold added.)
    In Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886), Mr. Presser claimed that an Illinois Military Code provision (requiring state permits for parades, which he had ignored) was a violation of the U.S. Constitution and his Second Amendment right. As to the latter, the High Court said: “A conclusive answer to the contention that this amendment prohibits the legislation in question lies in the fact that the amendment is a limitation only upon the power of congress and the national government, and not upon that of the state.” (The Court cited Cruikshank as authority.) (Bold added.)
    In Miller v. Texas, 153 U.S. 535, 537-8 (1894), Mr. Miller was indicted and convicted for murder in Dallas County, Texas, and the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals had affirmed the conviction. At the U.S. Supreme Court, the issue was whether Miller’s Writ of Error was valid – not his guilt or innocence. The Court said: “We think there is no federal question properly presented by the record in this case, and that the writ of error must be dismissed upon that ground.” Then concerning Miller’s contention that a Texas gun-law had violated the Second and Fourth Amendments, the Court said: “We have examined the record in vain, however, to find where the defendant was denied the benefit of these provisions, and even if it were, it is well settled that the restrictions of these amendments operate only upon the federal power, and have no reference whatever to proceedings in state courts.” (Bold added) (The Court cited Cruikshank, and 5 other federal cases as authority.)

    Then, 114 years later, in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. ____ (2008), the Court cited and quoted Cruikshank, and reaffirmed all the above (in footnote 23):

    With respect to Cruikshank’s continuing validity on incorporation, a question not presented by this case, we note that Cruikshank also said that the First Amendment did not apply against the States and did not engage in the sort of Fourteenth Amendment inquiry required by our later cases. Our later decisions in Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886) and Miller v. Texas, 153 U.S. 535, 538 (1894), reaffirmed that the Second Amendment applies only to the Federal Government.

    This unbroken series of High Court decisions clearly state that the Bill of Rights’ restrictions (which certainly include the Second Amendment’s “shall not be infringed”) apply exclusively to the federal government. (The Court’s ‘incorporation’ comment has confused many. However it just said that up to that time the 2nd Amendment had not been incorporated, via the 14th Amendment, into any state.)

  • Robert

    Here’s my take on gun control. I firmly blieve that most US citizens are law abiding and responsible when it comes to owning a gun. The majority of states have some form of background checks that are used to verify that the person who may wish to purchase a gun does not pose a threat to society. And for the most part, our states do a fairly good job. Rather than Washington beauracrats dictacting gun control laws, let them partner with the states and take the best practices and draft legislation and present it to the American legal voters. When the next election comes up in November, put that legislation on the ballot and let the voters decide if the proposed legislation iss in the best interest of America. One last thought, remind our elected officials that we would first ask that they read the legislation and not add on admendments that have nothing to do with gun control. That would surely make all politicians (words removed for offensive content).

    • eyeswideopen

      Excellent idea!!! The states should have control of the guns.
      But aren’t you a little confused as to why these people are upset about a law to prevent a terrorist from purchasing, or dealing in firearms? It is interesting that when Glen is going to talk about guns suddenly this site has a gun issue released on the same day. Me thinks somebody is in the inner circle of the Republican talking points. LOL. Like sheep to the slaughter.

      • American Citizen

        Eyes, this gun issue has been in the works for quite a while with the anti’s. This isn’t new.

      • David Hall

        My God! eyeswideopen, a damn terrorist AIN’T GOING TO PURCHASE A HAND-
        GUN LEGALLY. But, they will walk across an unprotected border. Sir,
        sometimes you seem to have a little left-wing sense, but most of the
        time, you make me bang my damn head on the table!!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          Do you not get it, if there isn’t a law preventing someone who is on the terrorist list from purchasing firearms, they can legally purchase and deal in arms. We don’t have gun laws that forbide someone who isn’t a felony from purchasing or dealing…. good grief charlie brown.

          • American Citizen

            I think most states have laws banning gun purchases by felons. I know our state does.

          • eyeswideopen

            American, You didn’ read what I said, the people on the terrorist lists are not convicted felony’s. They can purchase firearms. The bill makes it illegal if you are on the list to purchase said arms. Yes, most states have laws preventing sales to felony’s, however right now the courts are trying to decide if our Constitution gives the felony a right to purchase and possess a firearm. The Constitution does not forbide that right.

          • David Hall

            Eyes, There is a back ground check, here in Tennessee. What are they checking?

          • JeffH

            All gun purchases go through a background check lead by the FBI. If a known terrorists name comes up, I am pretty sure they will not allow the sale.

          • eyeswideopen

            David, people on the terrorist list are not necessarily convicted felons. If they aren’t and are on the terrorist list, this law will prevent them from being able to purchase a gun or guns. Our present laws only cover convicted felons. This law has nothing to do with trying to control our gun use or take them away.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, by law, you cannot refuse to sell to someone who meets the criteria of the gun law. If they aren’t convicted felons, or have a medical/mental issue, that wonderful thing called our Constitution allows them to purchase what every American can. What I am really concerned about is the issue about conviced felons being able to have the right to purchase a gun. There is a group out there who believe that when restoring a felons rights, the right to gun ownership should be granted,as the Constitution doesn’t forbide it.
            But here is an example today in our paper. Fugitive had gun that State legislator reported (Glock 9 mm laser sighted) gun stolen May 15, from console of car. He didn’ report it for two days, as he thought he may left it at his home or office. A money clip with $100.00 and several credit cards were undisturbed. This is an example of someone who is licensed to carry, who doesn’t know where his gun was at all times. When you are licensed to carry, it means carry, not to leave in unlocked car to be stolen. If you have to leave it, at least lock it in the trunk. This is a prime example of someone not being responsible for a gun who is making decisions for the citizens of Florida. Gives you a really good feeling about his decision making process. I know where my gun is at all times.

          • JeffH

            eyeswideopen says:
            October 1, 2009 at 7:32 pm
            American, You didn’ read what I said, the people on the terrorist lists are not convicted felony’s. They can purchase firearms

            If the FBI and BATFE would allow a known terrorist to buy a gun, after the background check, I will start worshiping B.H.Obama.
            If you believe it illegal, under the current laws, to deny a “known terrorist” to legaly purchase a gun in the USA then I have some beautiful land, real cheap, to sell you in Yellowstone, but you have to pay upfront and only $1 an acre.

        • David Hall

          Eyes, if that’s true. What the hell are we debating?

          • eyeswideopen

            David, I don’t know why. I read the HR45 and I don’t see anything stating the police can come into your home for compliance issues, however I did see that if you manufacture or are a dealer, they can inspect your facility and records. Do me a favor and read bill, let me know if I missed something important, as I do carry. Thanks.
            http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45

        • JeffH

          This legislation, S 1317, is proposed based on the Homeland Security’s assessment of their controversial report about “Right Wing Extremism”. It essentialy gives the government/Holder another tool to undermine our Second Amendment Rights and deny gun purchases by law abiding citizens and returning veterans. All they have to do is classify a buyer as a “right wing extremist”, which I might add would be any gun owner that isn’t on board with this administration. The anti’s are very sneaky and they won’t stop anytime soon.

    • James

      Robert, you are missing the point. Read my above legal brief on the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment is a restriction placed exclusively on the federal government. The national government has no power over the right to bear arms. You are asking the Congress to violate their oath of office to uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution, by infringing on our right to bear arms.

      • DaveH

        James,
        Keep your briefs, they are smelly. The Liberals for decades have been trying to sell the concept that the 2nd Amendment only applied to the militia. That concept has fallen flat, so now they are on to this bullcrap about the Bill of Rights not applying to the states.
        From Article VI:
        This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
        And if that isn’t enough, from Amendment X:
        “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
        If the Constitution did not give the Federal Government the power to regulate arms, why would our forefathers go to the trouble of creating the redundant law that is the 2nd Amendment?
        It is interesting to me that the Liberals have not argued that the First Amendment or the Fourth Amendment doesn’t apply to the states. They just pick and choose whatever will get their way. Anybody who buys your Liberal arguments do so only because they have a vested interest in gun-control.

        • James

          DaveH, the Preamble to the Bill of Rights reads: “THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added.” The First Amendment starts with “Congress shall make no law” concerning the five rights mentioned therein. The Second Amendment’s “shall not be infringed” likewise applies exclusively to the federal government.
          The Bill of Rights is “restrictive clauses” intended to prevent the federal government from the “misconstruction or abuse of its powers.” It is not the origin of our rights. Rights are inalienable they are not dependent on any constitution for their existence.
          The position of the national government is that the Second Amendment’s restriction applies to Congress but only to Militia type weapons, thus they feel free to regulate other types of weapons. The proposed legislation by Rep. Bobby Rush (HR 45) will violate the Second Amendment and the Commerce Clause.

          • DaveH

            You can repeat that mantra over and over, but you still won’t be right.

  • denniso

    For all of you here who invite people who disagree w/ you to leave the country if they ‘think it’s so bad here’, you should take your own advice and get out. The whining and moaning about our country’s socialism,fascism,liberalism,going to hell,etc,etc is pathetic. Take all of your beloved guns,armor-piercing bullets and lousy attitudes and leave. Go to a country for ‘real men’, like Sudan,Ethiopia, where you can shoot[and be shot,of course]anything you please..engage in real,bloody, revolution and macho mayhem. You real gun nuts are in a distinct minority here[thank your god], and will always be,despite your slavish devotion to ‘leaders’ like the NRA. Keep in touch from the killing fields of Ethiopia.

    • denniso

      Sorry Ethiopia, I meant to say the killing fields of Somalia.Don’t forget you could play w/ your guns in Iraq and Afghanistan and help your country at the same time. Where’s your patriotism?

    • keith

      try running me out!I AM NOT RUNNING NOWHERE!I’LL DIG IN AND WAIT FOR YOU AND YOUR CRONIES,AS LEONIDAS SAID TO THE PERSIANS,”IF YOU WANT OUR WEAPONS,COME AND GET THEM!”

    • keith

      i take it,you have never been to middleburg fla?if all of us gun owners and shooters there were to visit this page,then it would take you a year to read them all!obama would run out of goons dang quick if they ever are dumb enough to try and disarm us down here!

    • DaveH

      Sorry Denniso, but it is you and your ilk that are trying to force your way on others. So don’t try to take the moral high ground, because you aren’t.

  • http://g-mail Beth Talis

    Hope they make all guns illegal except for hunting rifles.
    P.A.

    • JeffH

      Hope they make all guns legal, especially assault weapons and machine guns. lol!

      • David Hall

        JeffH, Amen brother, I think we may need-em. You forgot the grenades.

        • keith

          those are easy enough to make yourself anyway!

          • David Hall

            Ha! Ha! Thanks! I learn something, every day.

  • Harold Olsen

    Personally, I don’t like guns and do not own any. When I tell people that their response is that I’m afraid of guns. Not true. I grew up with them. I’m a Vietnam veteran and scored expert with the M16. I just don’t like them and had enough of them when I was in the army.

    Now, as for gun ownership, I think any law abiding citizen should have the right to own ANY weapon he wishes, including assault weapons, bazookas and even Sherman Tanks if he chooses, though what he’d do with the latter two I have no idea.

    I really believe that the real reason why the left (and I’m talking about politicians) want to ban gun ownership is because they are afraid that because of what they are doing to this country–doing everything they can to destroy it, those guns could end up being pointed at them.

    The 2nd Amendment gives us the right to own guns. I have an idea. Let’s legalize the Constitution!

    • JAY

      WELL SAID

    • David Hall

      Harold, Ain’t that the Blessed Truth?

    • James

      Harold O., the Second Amendment does not give us the right to bear arms. The right is inherent and inalienable, it is not dependent on the amendment for its existence. All the amendment says is that the right “shall not be infringed” and that applies exclusively to the national government. Read my above legal brief.

      • DaveH

        James,
        Keep your briefs, they are smelly. The Liberals for decades have been trying to sell the concept that the 2nd Amendment only applied to the militia. That concept has fallen flat, so now they are on to this bullcrap about the Bill of Rights not applying to the states.
        From Article VI:
        This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
        And if that isn’t enough, from Amendment X:
        “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
        If the Constitution did not give the Federal Government the power to regulate arms, why would our forefathers go to the trouble of creating the redundant law that is the 2nd Amendment?
        It is interesting to me that the Liberals have not argued that the First Amendment or the Fourth Amendment doesn’t apply to the states. They just pick and choose whatever will get their way. Anybody who buys your Liberal arguments do so only because they have a vested interest in gun-control.

        • James

          DaveH, you are right the Second Amendment is redundant. About half of the Founders argued agsinst a Bill of Rights (even including James Madison) but the other half won. They wanted to make it clear that no power over rights was delegated to Congress in Art. I, Sec. 8, and no powers that were delegated should be misconstrued to include rights. The 9th Amendment says the Bill of Rights restrictions include all rights whether enumerated therein or not, and the 10th Amendment reminds Congress that powers not delegated are reserved to the States or to the people. Rights are secured and protected in State constitutions, not the federal.

          • DaveH

            Amendment XIV.
            (Ratified July 9, 1868)

            Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

          • DaveH

            James,
            If you aren’t a politician, you should be. You are good at the double-speak.

          • James

            DaveH, In Nordyke v. King (a 9th Circuit case earlier this year), the Court said: “There are three doctrinal ways the Second Amendment might apply to the states: (1) Direct application, (2) Incorporation by the Privileges or Immunities clause of the 14th Amendment, or (3) Incorporation by the Due Process clause of the same Amendment.” The Court then said: “Supreme Court precedent forecloses the first option. The Bill of Rights directly applies only to the federal government.” Barron v. Mayor of Baltimore, 32 U.S. 243, 247-251 (1833). The other two options were foreclosed also because the Nordykes had not deprived of their personal right to bear arms. The issue there was an Alameda County ordinance which outlawed gunshows at their fairground there. The Second Amendment has never directly incorporated into state law because of those Supreme Court precedents.

        • James

          DaveH, Liberals don’t argue that the Bill of Rights doesn’t aply to the States because they want people to believe that Rights are under federal jurisdiction, the Bill of Rights can’t enforce itself.
          Liberals want the U.S. Constitution to mean something in addition to what it says, conservatives, like me, want it to mean only what it says.
          The First Amendment states: “Congress shall make no law respecting” the five rights listed therein. That’s what it says and that’s all it means, it applies exclusively to the U.S. Congress.
          That does not mean that States are thus free to control or infringe on rights, as they choose, restrictions on State legislatures are in all State constitutions.
          If you have never condemned the U.S. Congress for infringing on our right to arms, then you are the liberal.

  • Rich

    Obama Quote:“I am not in favor of concealed weapons. I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”

    So he wants to create a world where nobody innocent never gets shot. Who is he to say how somone should die. That is the choice we make to live free. Would all chickenshits please leave the Home of the Brave, and develope your own country call the Home of the Puntangs.

    • DaveH

      LOL

    • American Citizen

      Obama needs to go to YouTube and watch that video of the woman who had to keep her gun in the car and then see her parents killed by a crazed gunman. If she had been able to keep her gun in her purse, she could have defended all the people there.

      • DaveH

        I would much rather that people carry concealed. For one, it would preclude the macho behavior that sometimes results when people carry openly. But perhaps most important is that the perp has a huge advantage on his victims; catching him by surprise swings the pendulum a little closer to even.

        • DaveH

          And lawbreakers are going to carry their guns concealed anyway, whether we like it or not.

  • http://RedRiverD.ws Walt

    Gun control is Gun control plain and simple.
    The US Constitution grants me the “RIGHT” to bear arms.
    It does NOT restrict the type of “ARMS”. It does NOT describe the type of “ARMS”!
    It only grants me the “RIGHT to Bear ARMS”!
    So why should ANY government official be allowed to decide which type of “ARMS”
    I am allowed to own or carry!
    The LAW ABIDING citizen is NOT the problem here, only the criminals.
    And believe me, if they think I am unarmed, then I am a target!
    I only hope if the politicians are successful that they are the first to get robbed and
    looted and raped and hurt from the criminals that already do NOT abide by the law.
    Hence the reason for them being called CRIMINALS!!!!!
    And if the population of this great country is unarmed then we are slaves no longer
    free!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • James

      Walt, the U.S. Constitution does not grant us the right to bear arms. Read my above brief. Just as the First Amendment says “Congress shall make no law”, the Second Amendment’s “shall not be infringed” also applies exclusively to the national government.

    • DaveH

      Walt,
      The government will exempt themselves from gun-control just as they exempt themselves from theft laws and murder laws.

      • JeffH

        Just as they will exempt themselves from National Health Care should it ever become reality.

  • BILL S

    THE CONSTITUTION, INCLUDING THE BILL OF RIGHTS, WAS WRITTEN IN PLAIN LANGUAGE SO ALL COULD UNDERSTAND IT. WHEN I JOINED THE ARMY (AIRBORNE) I TOOK AN OATH TO “DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES BOTH FORIEGN OR DOMESTIC” AND WITH THAT OATH I PLEDGED MY LIFE IF NEED BE.

    THAT SETTLES IT FOR ME.

  • R.E.P

    As the it has been said before,If guns kill! Then the pencils I used in my life are the cause of all the wrong answers wrote.

    • Normal Guy

      Not a big surprise that you get a lot of answers wrong, maybe learning about consequences would be useful. If wrong answers increased with pencils then we should look for leads poisoning and get rid of them. If they have no effect then no problem. The US has the highest incidence of death at the end of a of a barrel in the western world, maybe we should remove this kind of lead poisoning?

      Bullets kill a lot more Americans than Canadians, British, Japanese, Australians etc. etc. etc.

      • JeffH

        You are not normal Normal Guy!

      • DaveH

        Liberal Guy. How about a breakdown of those deaths. How many were by policemen? How many were by people defending themselves? How many were by Liberals?

        • DaveH

          So far the only stats I could find were from the United Nations who want to disarm all citizens.
          I’m sure their statistics aren’t unbiased.
          This is an organization that calls the swine flu a pandemic and wants forcible vaccination for all people.

          • keith

            those pretty bright blue helmets look much better with a hole in them!

  • Alfonos

    You wrong “they cling to guns or religion” the government is elect by us, you can have a gun you can have your religion, all this is personal but no to preach religion or preach that you can cay a gun and kill a person. All this crazies people make and opinion in this page, need to go back to our Constitution ad fine what is the Constitutional Government?…

    Thanks.

  • Thurman Marcum

    I belive in the right to bear arms.Anything can be used wth deadly force.To ban guns is not the answer.

  • American Citizen

    I believe our forefathers were very wise and farseeing. Since they had experience of government ruling their lives, they were determined that the citizens of this new world would live in freedom. It didn’t come without sacrifice if you know if you read about their lives. It still doesn’t come without blood, sweat and tears. Freedom lost anywhere is freedom lost everywhere. Be grateful there are those who are willing to fight for it.

    • keith

      amen bro!as a quote from the revolutionary war says,”the tree of liberty from time to time must be refreshed by the blood of patriots”a lot of folks don’t even know what ”freedom” means anymore!
      ”for those who have fought for it,freedom takes on a meaning the protected will never know.”
      librals would’nt know what freedom is if it bit them in the a**!

    • JeffH

      so right.

  • XGI

    I really hope to live long enough to see anyone attempt to disarm
    me while I continue breath.I could use some excitement!There is plenty of room left in Hell for he who tries.

    Keith, You are no Marine, but you are an Ammature Troll, go back to AOL where you belong!

    • keith

      actually i was,good try at a witty comeback,i give that a 6 on my comebackometer,umm….why should the remark about aol bother me????never been on aol,though i’ll have to check it out.
      good to see you agree on firearms,excellent!!!were you trying to say,immature or amature?i’ve heard better from a neophite cutdown artist,you have far to go,oh one who’s verbal slams are weak and feeble,keep at it,with pateince and much thought,plus practice you may one day impress me,though from the lowly station of verbal pleeb that thou art,i see i may have to wait a looonnnggggg time.

  • Bob Horak

    They should take all weapons away from the US Military, they kill more innocent people then anyone else on the planet.

    • JeffH

      Man, himself, is the dangerous one. Eliminate man and all of the world’s troubles are over.

    • David Hall

      HEY BOB, IF YOU THINK THAT IS TRUE ABOUT OUR U.S. MILITARY, IT’S A DAMN
      SHAME THEY MISSED ONE, IF YOU GET MY POINT.

  • DaveH

    Yep, our forefathers wouldn’t condone our being the world’s policemen.

  • tinman

    Bob

    You better Thank God that the US Military is out killing all those innocent people. Otherwise you wouldn’t have the previlege to set your ungrateful Butt down at your computer and write this (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)

    • JeffH

      One can sit passivly like a herd of sheeple, waiting for his maker, but I plan on fighting my maker with whatever means necessary. If that means 55gr of 5.56, or 1-1/2 oz of #4 buckshot, then so be it.

  • DaveH

    I am very heartened that so many on this board are pro-Second-Amendment.
    If the government would set a good example for the citizens by obeying the main law of the land (Constitution) there probably wouldn’t be so much lawlessness by the citizens.
    It is well known that bad economies create an increase in violence and other lawlessness.

    • JeffH

      Gee DaveH. How can a liberal conservative be so rational? You must really be a “right wingnut”! Well said.

  • Eddie

    I think we should send a copy of the Declaration and The Constitution to every elected official and remind them there will be a test, and then TEST them with our votes.

    • JeffH

      I think you are onto something, not a bad idea at all

  • S. Hudson

    Ask the ANTI GUN citizen to post a sign on HIS home proclaiming “NO GUNS HERE”. Watch the reaction. “Why would I do that, are you crazy?” The fact there might be a gun in the home, IS helping to keep the scum at bay. Isn’t hypocracy fun? This is just one reason we all should follow Switzerlands policy of an armed, educated in handeling citizenry.

    • JeffH

      Would certainly make it easier for criminals to pick their victims.

  • Normal Guy

    Here is one from CDC

    The United States leads the world’s richest nations in gun deaths — murders, suicides, and accidental deaths due to guns – according to a study published April 17, 1998 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the International Journal of Epidemiology.

    The U.S. was first at 14.24 gun deaths per 100,000 people. Two other countries in the Americas came next. Brazil was second with 12.95, followed by Mexico with 12.69.

    Japan had the lowest rate, at 0.05 gun deaths per 100,000 (1 per 2 million people). The police in Japan actively raid homes of those suspected of having weapons.

    The 36 countries in the study were the richest in the World Bank’s 1994 World Development Report, having the highest GNP per capita income.

    The United States accounted for 45 percent of the 88,649 gun deaths reported in the study, the first comprehensive international scrutiny of gun-related deaths.

    The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows:

    U.S.A. 14.24
    Brazil 12.95
    Mexico 12.69
    Estonia 12.26
    Argentina 8.93
    Northern Ireland 6.63
    Finland 6.46
    Switzerland 5.31
    France 5.15
    Canada 4.31
    Norway 3.82
    Austria 3.70
    Portugal 3.20
    Israel 2.91
    Belgium 2.90
    Australia 2.65
    Slovenia 2.60
    Italy 2.44
    New Zealand 2.38
    Denmark 2.09
    Sweden 1.92
    Kuwait 1.84
    Greece 1.29
    Germany 1.24
    Hungary 1.11
    Ireland 0.97
    Spain 0.78
    Netherlands 0.70
    Scotland 0.54
    England and Wales 0.41
    Taiwan 0.37
    Singapore 0.21
    Mauritius 0.19
    Hong Kong 0.14
    South Korea 0.12
    Japan 0.05

    • American Citizen

      Maybe we should legalize drugs as most gun deaths are related to illegal drugs. Intelligent people will stay away from them, and the government could tax them. Look at what happened during prohibition of liquor in the 30′s.

    • David Hall

      Normal, WHAT IS YOUR POINT? SHOULD WE DO AWAY WITH THE 2ND AMENDMENT?
      LOOK, THERE IS MORE CRIMINALS WITH GUNS, KNIVES, CLUBS, THAT MURDER
      PEOPLE. SOME GET SHOT AND KILLED, EVER SO OFTEN BY THE POLICE, SOME
      GET SHOT AND KILLED BY LAW-ABIDING AMERICANS, IN OUR VAST UNITED STATES
      OF AMERICA. I BET IT TOOK YOU HOURS TO COME UP WITH ALL THAT HOB-NOB!

    • DaveH

      How many of those gun deaths were by police in the line of duty? How many were by citizens protecting themselves? How many lives could be saved if everyone were armed as in Switzerland?

      The number of automobile deaths is 40,000 per year. Should we ban automobiles? Or maybe maybe we should allow only Liberals to own automobiles as they are so superior.

    • kathleen

      Thank you, Normal Guy, for injecting some facts into this conversation, rather than paranoia.

      • JeffH

        kathleen. It is apparent that you have zero knowledge on the subject of gun control let alone the least bit of knowledge about guns.
        Gun control is hitting what you aim at!

    • keith

      why don’t you MOVE to one of the OTHER countries you listed then!

  • JeffH

    From the founding of the United States, when citizens were required to own guns in order to be prepared to participate in militia efforts, and after the Revolution, when they could not be expected to survive frontier life without them, Americans have seen gun ownership as an inherent right. The Second Amendment to the Constitution reinforced this right, although debate continues as to the most accurate interpretation of the amendment’s now-archaic language. “Unlike most of the world’s people, many Americans view the possession of firearms as the norm rather than the exception,” writes David B. Kopel.

    Statistics abound on both sides

    The “now-archaic” language makes as much sense today as it alwys has.

    • James

      JeffH, what the Second Amendment means is what the U.S. Supreme Court says it means. Read my above brief, the High Court said the Second Amendment’s restriction applies exclusively to the federal government and has no application whatever to state laws or courts.

      • JeffH

        I appreciate you legal apptitude, but you get my point. I’m not here to argue about the “legal” interpretations, just what the heart of the 2nd Amendment means. Nothing is guaranteed! As I read through the comments, I see you correcting many of us. A basic understanding is what is most important, not crossing the i’s or dotting the t’s.
        We aren’t getting graded here by the teacher are we?

      • DaveH

        More double-speak, the High Court (7th Circuit) – not the Supreme Court. And the 3-judge panel upon which Sotomayor sat wrote only a single paragraph on the whole issue when deciding their own New York case, Maloney v. Cuomo. In one paragraph, she said the Second Amendment gives people no rights at all when it comes to state or city laws. She gave no explanation, and made no call for Supreme Court action.

        • James

          DaveH, in Maloney v. Cuomo, Judge Sotomayor was following the High Court decisions (U.S. v. Cruikshank & Presser v. Illinois). In those cases both Mr. Cruikshank and Mr. Presser believed their state laws (Louisiana and Illinois, respectively) had violated the Second Amendment. The Supreme Court held they did not, because the Second Amendment’s restriction doesn’t apply to the States. In fact, in our entire history no state law has ever been held to be violative of that amendment. The right to bear arms is inalienable and subject only to the police power of one’s state. I suggest you read your state’s constitution’s rights’ section.

          • JeffH

            Supreme Court to Hear McDonald v. Chicago…The case will address the application of the Second Amendment to the states through either the Due Process clause or the Privileges or Immunities clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
            The case has major implications for the legality of restrictive gun laws not only in Chicago, but also in other cities across the United States. The decision to hear the case, which will be argued later this year or early next year, gives Second Amendment advocates across America hope that this fundamental freedom will not be infringed by unreasonable state and local laws.

            compliments of the NRA-ILA:
            http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=12953

  • Gary H

    I have had my H&K USP9mm for 8 years now and my gun has not killed anyone. As a matter of fact, My AK47, SKS, AMD 45 cal. or my American Arms .22 cal revolver has never killed anyone and I have had them longer than my H&K. Now I do own these for recreation and for the defense for myself and my family. Now what I think someone should do is go before Congress and Senate and place a gun on the table in front of them and tell them no one is to leave until the gun kills someone. Now with it sitting on the table they will have to watch the gun for hours or days even until they see that guns do not kill people, people kill people.

    I feel that people need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. If someone commits a crime they should be held responsible for what they have done. In today’s would, we all know right from wrong. We all know to go to school, get an education and get a job to provide for our families.

    The laws today do not scare or even punish these criminals. Armed robbery, murder, carjacking, stealing and many other crimes against humanity is so much easier for them and they know that they will not have to spend much time in jail. The criminals have more rights than we (the taxpaying/ law bidding citizens) do. I don’t know about your state, but the state that I live in paid over $252,000,000.00 last year on our prison system that could have gone some place better, like education, Social Security, even health care. Now combined the rest of the countries prison cost, how much have the taxpayers paid in now? For these people that have no respect for us and the law as a whole. I know for a fact that $1,000,000.00 of that was to feed and house people on death row that should have been gone ten years ago. Why are we still feeding them? They have nothing to offer us or our communities. We have one guy on death row now for ten years who filed an appeal because he says lethal injection is inhuman. But his crime wasn’t? He kidnapped, raped and tortured a 60 year old lady for 4 days until she died. Now he is complaining that lethal injection is inhuman. He has cost the taxpayers of my state over $650,000.00 in the past ten years. Why has he not taken responsibility for his actions?

    Now my guns are to protect my family from people like this guy and others. One last thing, The County in which I live in, the County Sheriff’s office just had a lay off 57 deputies to save on their budget for the economic hard times in which we face. Now who is going to protect my family? Surely not the government! If the government wants my guns, they had better place a officer at my door and with my family wherever they go 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year and so on, even holidays. Only then will I turn over my guns!

    • JeffH

      The police are not here to protect an individual. Everyone knows the police cannot stop a crime from happening unless they have the foresight to predict or accidentaly arrive in time to stop a crime.
      I too am a hunter and recreational shooter, but I won’t hesitate to protect myself, my family or my neighbor if need be. I also wouldn’t hesitate to help a stranger if I could. This even includes those that wouldn’t help me.

      • DaveH

        Good man.

  • D Drake

    Interesting reading. Anyone who has an ounce of common sense should realize that the people that control our government are paranoid about us having guns. They know they cannot have their way wiyh us as long as there are millions of us that have guns and are willing to use them to protect our freedom.
    As most gun owners are aware, it is getting a lot harder to buy amunition in handgun calibers. I have had an order in at Cabelas for 3 months now and it keeps getting moved back. I live in California and they just passed a bill AB962 that will make it illegal to purchase amunition by mail. If the governor does not veto this bill by October 10th it becomes law. Also there is a bill waiting to be passed that will allow you to only buy 50 rounds a month. For people that use a gun range, this clearly will hamper their recreational shooting.
    As for background checks, I don`t know why all the fervor about this. I sold guns back in the 1960`s. We in California have always had to go through these checks to purchase a handgun. There was a 5 day waiting period before you could pickup a handgun. So what is new?
    We live in the country where guns are a natural way of life. We use guns to protect our livestock from predators. That is what country people do. Without our guns we would loose our livestock to coyotes, lions, coons, skunks, and ravens. I am not going to give up this great lifestyle without a fight. If I have to resort to reloading my own amunition, so be it, I will. But now they are trying to limit the amount of powder you can buy. There is no end to what these power hungry people will do to take us down.
    We all had better pay close attention to how and who we vote for to represent us.
    One more thing. From what I have read, we are going to have to list all of our guns on next years form 1040 for tax purposes. Then you will have to pay $50 tax on each gun you own. They are doing this through the IRS to creat a data base of every gun in America. They can do this by rewriting the tax code without having to go through congress to pass a law. They are useing the tax code to bypass the constitutional process. Think about that.

    • JeffH

      Drake, there will always be someone that attacks our gun ownership and they will use any and all types of tactics to stop us from owning guns, no matter what we use them for. When they can’t defeat the gun owner, then they attack the ammuntion sales and production. It is a never ending battle, and I hope you are a member of the NRA or Gun Owners of America and can at least contribute something to the cause, whether monetary or just writing to your legislators to voice you opinion.
      Just an FYI…read my post below about AB962 and the gun tax myth.

    • DaveH

      Drake,
      Do you know which bill that IRS requirement comes from? I’d like to look it up to see who voted for it.

      • JeffH

        SB 2099 about the Form1044 gun tax is a myth, it surfaces every now and again on the internet, but has been a dead issue since 2000.

        • eyeswideopen

          Jeff, very nice of you to debunk another rumor, they get started and are very hard to stop. Not only did you stop one,but you put down two of the rumors that get people riled up and that in itself deserves much hand clapping…. Clapping loudly now!!! Thanks for your efforts to correct mis-information.

          • JeffH

            YW

          • JeffH

            The first time I had ever heard of such a bill, SB2099, was through my email. First reaction was to get pissed, but I had never heard of such legislation so I checked it out first before I spoke. It did not make sense and was never considered seriously. You can fact check and see what bill SB2099 is all about. Doesn’t have anything to do with guns or taxes.

  • tinman

    Drake

    Well said, the government wont kick the front door down they always sneak through the backdoor. Cowards! They will criple the ammo and gun companies there is fewer of them thats possible.

  • Pete Wilson

    Gun kill and are designed made and sold for the purpose of killing.

    Thou shalt not kill. Ever hear of that?

    • JeffH

      Thou shalt educate oneself about guns and gun ownership!

      • kathleen

        Thou shall not kill is one of the Ten Commandments. You just made up something. Please show a little intelligence.

        • JeffH

          kathleen…You reply showed your brilliant knowledge on this subject.
          A total LACK OF INTELLIGENCE!

        • keith

          yeah,if ever your facing a bugerler who breaks into your home with the notion of raping and killing you,try to tell him that and see what good that does you then.

        • David Hall

          Kathleen, ma’am with all duuuuueeee, respect, get you another glass of
          warm milk and go back to bed. Your brain, needs the rest.

    • DaveH

      And, “Thou shalt not Steal”. The government does both regularly.

    • American Citizen

      We are allowed to defend ourselves. If someone comes at you wanting to kill you, are you just going to stand there and let it happen?

    • David Hall

      Pete, get you self another glass of kool-aid and go back to bed. Damn-
      it-boy!

    • James

      Pete W, over 20 of the biblical sins are capital offenses. Concerning sin-forgiveness, John said (1 John 5:16-17): If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.”
      The ‘Thou shalt not kill’ refers to murder, not execution. “If a man smiteth a man so that he die, he shall surely be put to death.”

    • JeffH

      Just an FYI…you are wrong, it mentions nothing about killing. What is written is :exodus 20:2-20:17 – 13 You shall not murder.

      • keithehlert

        good point!

  • JeffH

    D Drake…I too am a California gun owner. Have you communicted with the governor about AB962? I demand several times a week that he veto AB962 and SB585. The 50 round a month was for handgun ammo, and that has been removed from the AB962 language.
    SB 2099 about the Form1044 gun tax is a myth, it surfaces every now and again on the internet, but has been a dead issue since 2000.

  • Jerry

    I think people should be able to own a gun, carry it whereever they go, and not have the government tell us what we can and cannot do.
    Also how can we stop this legislation?

  • keith

    GUN CONTROL IS BEING ABLE TO HIT WHAT YOUR AIMING AT!they have their agenda and i have mine!

    • JeffH

      Amen,truer words have never been spoken.

  • Justin

    If this is “under the radar”, why has it been discussed regularly on every gun forum I belong to since the bill was introduced in January? And, a quick check shows it still has no cosponsors and hasn’t moved since it was referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security of the House Judiciary Committee on February 9th.

    I think it has about as much chance of passing as it did the several other times in the past the same (or essentially same) bill was introduced. Of course, like all firearms legislation, it bears watching, but I doubt this one is going anywhere.

    • Rich

      The ‘under the radar’ statement is most likely meaning it is not being covered by major news outlets, be they TV, newspapers or what not. That does not mean that no one is aware of it. I can honestly say this site is the first I have seen to cover it. I don’t belong to any pro gun forums, I am not anti-gun, I just don’t go to those forums as I am not into that sort of thing. The current congress/senate is the first time recently that any anti-gun legislation of this magnitude has any chance to pass is another thing the article is stating, not that it will pass. The liberal party tends, not all of them but as a whole, believe in stricter gun controls for all. Many republicans also believe this (in stricter gun control) just look at things like the Brady bill after Reagan was shot, and who voted yea for it.

  • Dave

    In ancient Rome free men wore at least a small dagger to display their status as a free man. Slaves could own other slaves and even property but for a slave to own a weapon was punishable by death. I wonder why the government is so adament in disarming the population?

    • keith

      i am so tired and fed up with the librals crap?i am sick of hearing their whacky notions and having their crap shoved down my throat.they are worse than the peicenicks and hippies from the 60′s,i am a american who was growed up with watching john wayne,i love my guns,i’ll be damned if i will EVER give up my guns!
      freakin librals are ruining this country!they need to take all their crazy socialist notions with them and move to some place where they can all make up whatever screwed up form of govt they want.they are a cancer and need to SHUT UP!we can’t drill for oil,friggen animals have more rights than people,faggotts and criminals have more rights than normal folks,i’m sick of their politically correct crap!they try and skew and twist everything to match the warped out notions they have floating around in their confused freakin minds.damn,i can’t wait till 2010 when we can start voting these whackos out and start getting back to normalcy.LEAVE OUR 2ND AMMENDMANT RIGHTS ALONE!

      • James

        Keith, Well said! But you have said “Leave our right to bear arms alone”, the right has nothing to do with the Second Amendment.

      • DaveH

        Keith,
        I feel your pain.

  • tinman

    You have a better chance of getting hit by lightning than killed by a gun. We should all be worried about what they are going to pull that we are going to need our guns to stop them. Please remember people kill people not guns.

  • Paul

    Wow, so many thoughts to express.

    What the anti gun politicians intend and what the actual results would be are two different things. Some say they are focusing on the wrong group and should let law abiding citizens alone. They are not focusing on the wrong group, they are focusing on exactly the group they intend to. They want to take away our guns, period. The intended result is a safer, happier world where people believe in the “Give me health care, a house, a car, a job (if I feel like working), money, etc., etc., and just take care of me” mentality. This will keep them in power and keep the people in chains. The actual immediate result will be that the now – unarmed citizens will become the victims of the criminals who break the gun laws that are already on the books because that’s what they are; CRIMINALS. They could ban all guns tomorrow and it would take a hundred years (maybe) before they would stop showing up in the hands of criminals. In the mean-time, how many innocent people will have been robbed, raped or murdered because all they had to defend themselves and their families with was a stick?

    Another thought:
    “Assault” rifles only fire one round at a time. They are not fully automatic weapons, grenades, rocket launchers, thermonuclear devices, etc. which, the last time I checked, were not available in any gun store I was in. Aside from the philosophical debate, I doubt anyone seriously thinks that the average person should own a machine gun, Thompson, or any other. I don’t see the need for them (however cool it might be to own one). But to accuse people of ill intent because they own a gun that “looks” like an AK-47 fully automatic assault rifle, regardless of functionality is plain nuts and only serves to convince the average non-gun owner of the evil intent of gun owners. This is what the anti gun people want.

    On another note, the people vs the military? I don’t even want to think about that. 1861 – 1865 did not turn out very well at all.

    Finally, this: (link: http://hematite.com/dragon/policeprot.html )

    Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate’s screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: “For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers.” The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.’s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a “fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.” Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981).
    I wonder who had the guns in this case?

    The moral of the story? Until I have a police officer stationed at my front AND back doors 24 / 7 and they provide escort service for my family and me I WILL take all my rights with me wherever I go, and that includes my 2nd amendment RIGHT!

    • JeffH

      Another of the keys to the outcome of Heller vs D.C.

      “D.C.’s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a “fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.””

      • keith

        if a fool attempts to rob me or comes into my house while i am there,then by damn,he won’t need to worry about the police as i will be the only court he will ever need and the verdict of death will be right speedly administered!

        • David Hall

          Keith, maybe if these left-wing nuts, would watch the news or read the
          paper, instead of MSNBC, they would see the countless home-invasions of
          children being kid-napped, home owners tied up and shot in the head,
          wives, daughters, grand-mothers being raped. Man, I tell ya, these people are on the verge of insanity. Our 2ND Amendments Rights, or
          Gun Control, shouldn’t be OPEN for debate.

          • keith

            i know,i related something that happened to me earlier and was mocked,i suppose all these librals and such have never faced anything more dangerous than their daily drive to and from somewhere.they either are VERY naive or live in some self-made fantasy land where they think they are safe everywhere,i don’t know what the hell is wrong with these people!where i live in jax fla,there are crackheads,theives,shootings(mostly the gangers n crackheads n such are offing each other which i could care next to nothing about as long as they are taking each other out),prostitutes,drug dealers and usual crap going on.
            i am a framer-hanger,accoustical ceiling mech,carpenter,one time me and a partner where working on a house located in (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)(east side jax) and where working late,it was around 8:30 and this friggen skinny looking aneresic crackhead comes in on us and asked my buddy if he could spare a buck,i was in the bathroom working and overheard the crack head talking,i had my .357 ruger and this guy pulled a .22 auto on my buddy,if i had’nt been armed we would have been in deep doo-doo,he left when i came in with the .357 aimed at his melon.i related that little story to get my point across that you are NOT safe anywhere!as the ole saying goes,to be forarmed is to be forwarned,i assume these librals and anti-gun nuts don’t live in the same reality as i do,what they going to do when a mugger or theif catches them one night in a parking lot somewhere and wants their $$$$ or car?i was at the mall one time in the evening coming out of a flick and it was mid december and a (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) treid to rob a older lady who was christmas shopping,she had a pistol and held the teenager their untill the cops got there,if she would’nt have been armed the nasty little theiving &^%^##@ would have taken here car and all she had in it.
            what the heck is wrong with these whacko’s?they think everywhere is safe?

      • James

        JeffH, it was D.C. v. Heller. The federal government has no police power within the States. It gets around that by attaching restrictions to federal laws. For example, several years back highway funds to States were withheld if a State didn’t lower its highway speed limits.

  • nader paul kucinich gravel

    Rachel sure did have a BIG problem with Grayson’s use of a word…
    She sounded just like an AIPAC Neocon “dishing out the punishment”

    Honesty compassion intelligence guts?
    We have an ongoing American Holocaust.
    Do you still want to believe what they told you about 9/11?
    The guilty are busy importing private mercenaries to hide behind.

  • DaveH

    The anti-gun fanatics also don’t seem to acknowledge the fact that if guns are banned there will be a large portion of the gun-toting population that will fight to the death. I don’t believe that percentage of fighters will be as large as it would seem by the number of comments I’ve heard such as “they will have to pry the gun from my cold dead hand”, but I do believe a significant number of people would follow through with that threat. So what would the death toll be? 10,000, or 20,000 or maybe even 100,000. Can the Liberals really justify that kind of bloodshed? They couldn’t if they are being honest about wanting peace, but then I haven’t known too many honest Liberals.

    • JeffH

      Sometimes it seems that a confrontation is what the Democrats want. I truly believe that if our government ever tries to physicaly take our guns away, based on coversations I have had and read by policeman and our military, that the people would have a lot of their support.
      This is purely theoretical and not “paranoia”, but the thought is based on the ideals and comments made by this admiistration and the anti-gun supporters. As for me, I am now 60 years old and yes, they will have to take my guns from my “cold dead hands”.

      • DaveH

        Jeff,
        I feel that way about forced vaccinations. It is as if they want to create civil discord.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, I don’t think it is intentional, why be so stupid. Think they are just trying to keep healthcare costs down. When the elderly get the flu and are hospitalized, their care runs into the thousands for just a few days. Why do you think our military requires the men to get the flu shot? Yes, so they aren’t sick when the invasion starts!! Do you think that they are intentionally trying to make our service men sick? It is your right not to indulge, however it is also someone elses right to indulge and get the vac. You can’t be angry at those who chose too, as there is no proof of the effects!

          • keithehlert

            the ”key” word is CHOOSE!

          • DaveH

            Eyes,
            You are the one who is stupid. If you weren’t you wouldn’t keep trying to put words in my mouth. Anybody who reads my comments can see that I advocate freedom of choice.

          • DaveH

            Eyes,
            By the way, I counted 17 uses of the word ‘stupid’ on this webpage and 7 of them were in your comments. How old are you – 13?

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, once again you miscontrued my statement. I was inferring that it would be stupid for them to do that. You probably with your paranoia thought I was calling you stupid. When and if I call you stupid you would know it. You don’t have much to do if you can sit and count words. It would have neen interesting how many times Jeff used the word ignorant, thanks for pointing out my frustration level, When I get really upset, stupid is my go to word.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, It would be stupid for them to intentionally get civil discourse going at this time in this country. Just in case you couldn’t make the leap.

          • David Hall

            WELL, WHAT DO YOU KNOW, EYES, I CAN’T BELEIVE, I’M WRITING THIS, BUT
            I AGREE, YES, I AGREE! IT’S CALLED FREEDOM TO CHOICE, IF YOU WANT THE
            VACCINE, SHOT TAKE IT, IF NOT DON’T TAKE IT. MAYBE, BEFORE THIS DEBATING IS OVER, THERE MAY BE A LITTLE LIGHT FOR THE LIBERALS. I’VE NEVER TOOK THE FLU VACCINES AND AIN’T GOING TO START. FOR SOME STRANGE REASON, I DON’T TRUST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

  • Dougie Fresh

    Lets be real for a moment. Although I am afraid of any gun ban, Fully automatic weapons are nothing but a waste of Ammo. If you own a gun, practice. You may need it someday.

    • James

      Dougie F., Well said! But if you are attacked by a mob, at short range, a full-auto would certainly be appreciated. The old .30 cal. M2 military carbine had 30-round magazines. It had a selective switch along the barrel, to fire either semi or full auto.

    • David Hall

      Dougie, it seems now days, people get their homes busted in by 3 or 4
      criminals. It would be nice to have a fully automatic weapon, just in
      case. At least, you would have the fire power, although I would prefer,
      a grenade launcher. Ha! Ha!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com rhonda

    No matter what let’s not step on each other; this is about us not losing our rights.
    #1. Every-one that voted for our President because of his color shouldn’t have voting rights. It was childish & irresponsible; now our Nation is in the hands of one that Does Not go for us having liberty.
    #2. The best thing I heard was the Swedish letting every household have a gun, so the bad ones know that they could die instead.
    #3.After some-one has done their time in prison or other wise, they are suppose to get all their rights back,which is one thing that was to make us different from the old lands we all came from.
    Please think about these things; quit shout meanest, & cussing at others, and pray God gives us righteous leaders. In Jesus Name, Amen.

    • eyeswideopen

      So, Rhonda, you want to take away the voting rights of some, because you don’t like who they voted for, and give the felons the right to carry firearms again? Please turn in your voter registration card to the nearest police station.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com rhonda

        Don’t try to to make my message seem wrong, you just want to argue.
        People that voted just because of color,OR the party they follow, instead of what the Hopefuls represent/the what I’m going to do (LIKE ABORTION), ANTI-GUN, GOVERNMENT CONTROL of everything; did NOT use any real since.
        And American is suppose to be a pace of second chance. All the foreign people that come here have second chances,and I’m not saying all (like the Ted Bundys), should get their rights back. So…
        What haven’t you got caught doing?

      • http://www.personalliberty.com rhonda

        Don’t try to to make my message seem wrong, you just want to argue.
        People that voted just because of color,OR the party they follow, instead of what the Hopefuls represent/the what I’m going to do (LIKE ABORTION), ANTI-GUN, GOVERNMENT CONTROL of everything; did NOT use any real sense.
        And American is suppose to be a pace of second chance. All the foreign people that come here have second chances,and I’m not saying all (like the Ted Bundys), should get their rights back. So…
        What haven’t you got caught doing?

    • DaveH

      About the Prison issue:
      I think we should shorten their sentences (except, of course, death sentences) but keep each in their own separate cells for the term of their sentence. They should have toilets, some crude exercise equipment (mats, chin-up bar, etc.), a chair, and a decent bed. There should be no physical interaction with either inmates or guards. Meals should be delivered to their cells (no mess halls). Books could be delivered with the meals. The prisoners should only be let out of the cells for emergencies and then only when accompanied by two guards (or more).
      That would greatly lessen the “thieves’ college” effect. It would also greatly lessen the abuse by guards and by other prisoners. It would allow us to have prisons that housed both violent and non-violent offenders.
      And after they served their time their records should be expunged. How can anyone expect them to want to be good when they can’t get a job?
      I think one of the major problems with our current criminal justice system is that there are too many people making money off the system. How can we expect justice when it pays more not to be just?

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, I like all of those ideas, get Jeff to send to his go to guy in D.C. and I will email my reps. Excellent idea, but wouldn’t we have to build more prisons to adhere to the single cell idea? Probably pretty costly.

        • DaveH

          That is why I proposed shortening their sentences. One year exclusively in a cell would seem like three years under our current system. Surely, nobody would think that is cruel punishment as we keep our pets in cages and think nothing of it. Well, some of us don’t approve to be sure.

  • David Hall

    STOP THE CRIME IN THE U.S. AND IT COULD STOP THIS DEBATE! WE WOULD ONLY
    NEED OUR FIRE-ARMS FOR SPORT SHOOTING AND HUNTING. I was watching and
    listening to a preacher one Sunday morning. He said, he was in Cairo,
    Egypt. He said there was 11 million people there, very over-populated.
    He said the proverty there was unbelievable, many, many people begging
    with cans or small containers in their hands. He also, said crime is
    almost non-existent. He said over there, if were caught stealing, they
    would CUT your left hand OFF, and you would have to get a family member, to buy or sell goods for you. (they consider the right-hand to
    be the unclean hand),(don’t ask me what if your left-handed,)the preacher didn’t say. Anyway, the preacher said, he walked and walked, and would see only a few people begging with ONE HAND, but the strange
    thing is, as many people he seen as he walked, and walked. HE DID NOT
    SEE ONE PERSON, SITTING OR STANDING AROUND WITH NO HANDS! I know this
    sounds heart-wrenching for these left-wing liberals. But, this is one
    great way to stop stealing. They’ll never do it, because there is BIG
    MONEY IN CRIME. Stop crime and lawyers, police, and judges, many of
    them would loss their jobs, and Harvard, and Yale would have to close
    their doors.

    • David Hall

      I ALMOST FORGOT, FOR YOU LIBERALS THAT DON’T GET THE PUNCH LINE. CUT
      ONE HAND OFF AND YOU’LL NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEM STEALING AGAIN.
      THEY WOULD KNOW, IF THEY STOLED AGAIN, THEY WOULD GET THEIR OTHER HAND,
      CHOPPED OFF! AND END UP WITH, NO HANDS!

      • eyeswideopen

        Gee David, I don’t really want to go backwards, this country has progressed more than that country and I would really like to stay at least where we are now. It would cost us a fortune as with no hands, people on welfare would expand by millions. Hell, we would have alot of one handed politicians wouldn’t we??? lol

        • DaveH

          Hey, I agree with you for once.

        • David Hall

          Eyes, when something, WORKS, DON’T FIX IT! Plus, to go a step further,
          when someone rapes,(PROVEN GUILTY) CHOP (THAT) OFF! when someone murders (PROVEN GUILTY) HANG-EM! WHEN SOMEONE KIDNAPPS A CHILD, AND
          MOLEST AND RAPE THEM (PROVEN GUILTY), CHOP (THAT) OFF! AND THEN HANG-EM! Eyes, just because something seems a little old-fashion, out-dated, or backward, doesn’t mean it, DON’T WORK!

    • keithehlert

      we need public hangings brought back again and air them on t.v and deathrow needs to be cleaned out!fry the rapers and serial killers till their crispy,and let the fathers and mothers flip the switch!justice is so skewed in this country anymore,if they aired these live,you can be assured the criminals and drug dealers would think twice before embarking on their carrers!dang,i ought to run for pres!

      • David Hall

        You got my vote! you’d be wonderful compared to who we got now.

        • eyeswideopen

          David, becareful, Keith might be black. Then you would have the same problems that you have now.

          • David Hall

            Eyes, this may be very SHOCKING to you, but I could care less about his
            color. Just, like messiah Obama, he’s black ain’t he? I fear his out of
            control spending and his policies. I don’t, fear his skin color. Obama’s race is not going to harm our Nation. His policies could
            possibly bankrupt our Nation and collaspe the dollar.

          • keith

            nay,i’m white and from the south and i beleive the declaration of independence is sacrosinct and is the greatest document ever written by the hand of man and the bill of rights are to be as is written!
            i love my guns and jesus(does that label me as a right wing patriotic radical extremist?i hope so,if so i am guilty!

          • David Hall

            Keith, I knew you was, white. These liberals, always want to make a
            debate a huge race thang. They just about beat that ole dog to death.
            I think, ole eyes got his username a little mixed up. It should have
            been eyesclosed or maybe eyesshut! ha!ha!

          • keith

            yeah,like you i could care more than less about the guys color,that don’t make or break anyone,it’s the person and WHAT they stand FOR that i pay attention to,now we got this friggen child molesting pediphile as a safe school czar,he needs to be castrated and then imprisoned and put in a cell with a(WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) and do to him what he and his other associates want to do to kids,makes me so sick i could vomit!comrad obama KNEW this freak was a pediphile and a avowed communist!just shows what kind of people comrad obama likes around him,as they say,BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER,now they give this fruitloop a peice medal?god i like to fell off the scaffold i was working on today when i heard it!(WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) is ruining,nay,destroying this country as fast as he can and those socialists in norway award him for it!MAKES ME MAD AS HELL!

          • David Hall

            Keith, Oh, how right you are! What really makes me sick, that we All,
            including MYSELF, would really stand-up and be Ye, Counted. Us, Christains have stood by and let all these Anti-Christ, judges, politicians, ACLU, ect., shove all their (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)down our throats, and kids, and grand-kids throats. Just like that damn preverted, school
            safe zcar. If the Christain parents & grand-parents, (millions of them)
            would, stand-up and be ye,counted, and take their kids OUT OF SCHOOL,
            until Obama FIRED that scum of the earth. The Government can’t lock up
            millions of people. I tell ya, brother, GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED! and HIS
            WRATH UPON THIS EARTH, IS COMING AND HAS COME. I don’t expect the lost
            sheep and the unbelievers to do anything about Christainity in America.
            It’s not their fault, America is falling by the waste-side, it’s OURS,
            WE BETTER PRAY AND BELIEVE BY FAITH, THAT HIS BLOOD AND GRACE WILL COVER US. We, Christians could change America, we could stop abortions,
            stop gun control, stop the corruption and lawlessness in our schools and colleges, stop gay marriage and teachings, stop the Anti-Christ movements, JUST BY TAKING OURS KIDS OUT OF THE SCHOOLS AND TELLING THE
            FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THAT WE REFUSE TO FILE TAXES. Like, I said, the
            Government can’t lock millions and millions of us, up. This is for Obama, JESUS SAID; WOE, UNTO YOU, THAT WOULD CAUSE ONE OF THESE LITTLE
            ONES, TO SIN!

          • David Hall

            Oh, yeah, Keith, I almost forgot. Paul, wrote, I don’t war against, flesh and blood, anymore. (I personally believe, Paul understood, Jesus
            took care of that war on the cross.)Paul, wrote he wars against, the
            principalities of high places. (I personally believe that war was against demonic & anti-Christ spirits of world Governments and the U.S.
            Government. We all should stop and think CHINA OWNES AMERICA! THAT ANTI-CHRIST, COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT OWNES AMERICA. HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?
            HOW COULD THIS BE? Us, Christains, have been debating all the 100′s of
            different church doctrines, sayin well my church is the only TRUE CHRUCH, well, he or she wouldn’t act like that, if they were TRUE CHRISTAINS, WHILE THE UNBLIEVERS AND SATAN HIMSELF, ARE LAUGHING THEIR
            HEADS OFF. Mean while, back at the ranch all these Anti-Christ movements in Government and Schools have been and continue to be planted against us, (Christains). And the scarey thought is, who is
            really calling the shots? Why didn’t Bush, attack Iran’s nuke sites. He
            knew damn well if Obama got elected, he wouldn’t. Could it have been
            China, telling Bush, I don’t think, so. My point is, the company you
            work for calls the shots, (you don’t) because the man, you work for owns the company. IF, CHRISTAINS WANTED OUR JOBS BACK, STOP BUYING ALL
            PRODUCTS PRODUCED IN CHINA AND MEXICO. THEN, AND ONLY THEN WILL WE SEE
            ARE JOBS COME BACK. THAT’S A COMMON SENSE, FACT

  • keithehlert

    vote in 2010 and lets get these radicals out!!!!

  • Phil Z

    I traded my dog for a Smith & Wesson. It only barks when I want it to!!!

    • keithehlert

      hope you got plenty of dogfood to keep it barking when yah need it!

  • DaveH

    This is how our neighbors treat the right of free speech:

    http://www.paulwilliamsdefensefund.com/about.html

  • Mary

    This is a website for paranoid far right radicals… the fringe idiots. There are no conservatives left in the Republican Party. How very disappointing.

    • DaveH

      Only idiots make such hyperbolic statements.

      • libertytrain

        I am of the older set as well – not as old as Mark Twain would be – but old enough to know that each of us has the right to believe what is right and true for us. Meaning, what is right and true for you, or anyone else, does not mandate what I or my fellow Americans are obligated to believe. I think it was Patrick Henry that said, “Give me liberty or give me death” and I was taught in school, that he said, “I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.” – ?- But it is sometimes attributed to Voltaire – yet not in any of his known writings. So no one knows who wrote it but it’s apropos -

      • eyeswideopen

        She is right, Dsve. here is example of the Republicans not protecting us gun owners.

        http://articles.latimes.com/1999/may/26/News/Mn-41212

        Wonder where the outraged Conservatives were during this time?

    • keithehlert

      you got a picture of chevez hanging in your living room?how bout lenin or stalin?one of them has GOT to be your idle,NO WAIT….obama IS your idol.

    • keithehlert

      do you get that weird tingly feeling when you stare at it and say his name,obviously your a obamian cultist!

    • eyeswideopen

      Mary, I plan on taking the Flag, when I leave.

    • JeffH

      Mary, Mary quite contrary…too many hits of acid!

    • American Citizen

      You need to get educated on the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

  • JeffH

    This legislation, S 1317, is proposed based on the Homeland Security’s assessment of their controversial report about “Right Wing Extremism”. It essentialy gives the government/Holder another tool to undermine our Second Amendment Rights and deny gun purchases by law abiding citizens and returning veterans. All they have to do is classify a buyer as a “right wing extremist”, which I might add would be any gun owner that isn’t on board with this administration. The anti’s are very sneaky and they won’t stop anytime soon.

  • Thomas Bendoraitis

    Who clings to guns more than the demonic cult, just because you call it navy army or airforce doesn’t mitigate mass murder; can’t even call it big brother anymore, that would suggest association.

    • JeffH

      Why don’t you call it correctly. The human race is an evil force in this world we live in. You and I are both human, I would think the only logical end to your “mass murder” theory would be to end life on this earth for all humankind.
      To rethink, I don’t believe that all humans would agree with my theory, so us honest ones would like to be able to protect ourselves from the “demonic cult” that would choose use their guns against us or those that would come to take our guns away from us.
      In the meantime I have to clean and butcher this wonderful gift from nature, that I shot this morning, so I can continue to feed my family. Venison stew tonight!

      • David Hall

        Yum! Yum! Good. I’m going in the morning too. Bow season is open here, in Tennessee.

      • keithehlert

        darrnit,i’ll be in the woods later this month hog hunting,done ate up all my meat i got last year,just some ribbs left.

        • keithehlert

          i’ve been called a lot of things in my time,but never a demonic cult member,hmmm,thats a new one.now because i own firearms and enjoy shooting,i’m now all of a sudden a demonic black robe wearing satan worshipper huh?sheesh,what will i be deemed next?

          • David Hall

            WELL, ON THE SHINEY SIDE, IF YOU WAS FROM THE SOUTH AND GOT FIRE-ARMS,
            TO HUNT & PROTECT YOUR FAMILY, THEM LIBERALS SAY WE’RE STILL WEARING,
            THE WHITE ROBES WITH FUNNY LOOKING WHITE HATS. IT’S SO HARD FOR THEM
            TO MAKE UP THEIR LITTLE LIBERAL MINDS.

          • American Citizen

            Save your ammo, you just may need it soon.

  • RayD

    I believe as an American I should be able to own any type of firearm I desire. I like all kinds of firearms, I just think their great. I can’t afford many but I see no reason why I shouldn’t be able to buy anything I can afford and I do, and will continue to do so no matter what laws are passed. I eat therefore I hunt.

  • keithehlert

    here are some qoutes to ponder on……
    -guard with jealous attention the public liberty.suspect everyone who appraoches that jewel.unfortunatly,nothing will preserve it but downright force.whenever you give up that force,you are inevitably ruined…..patrick henry
    -to preserve liberty,it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms,and be taught alike,especially when young,how to use them…richerd henry lee,1787
    -”i ask,sir,what is the militia?it is the WHOLE people,except for a few public officials.”
    ”to disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”…….gearge mason
    -”the right of self-defense is the first law of nature;in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowist possible limits. ..and when the right of the people to keep and bear arms is,under any color or pretext whatsoever,prohibited,liberty,if not already annihilated,is on the brink of destruction.”…..st.george tucker,judge of the virginia supreme court 1803
    -”before a standing army can rule,the people must disarmed;as they are in almost every kingdom in europe.the supreme power in america cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword;because the whole body of the people are armed,and constitute a force superior to any bands of reguler troops that can be,on any pretense,raised in the united states.”……noah webster,1888
    -”germans who wish to use firearms should join the ss or the sa-ordinary citizens don’t need guns,as their having guns doe’snt serve the state.” heinrich himmler
    -”we,the people are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts-not to overthrow the constitution,but to overthrow men who PERVERT the constitution.”….abraham lincoln
    -”the most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms.history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.indeed,i would go so far as to say that the underdog is a sine qua non [''something essentual'' lit ''without which not''] for the overthrow of any soveriegnty .so lets not have any native militia or police.”…adolph hitler,edict of march 18,1938
    -”it is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error;it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.”…..justice robert h.jackson
    -”YOU NEED ONLY REFLECT THAT ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO GET A REPUTATION AS A DANGEROUS CITIZEN THESE DAYS IS TO GO ABOUT REPEATING THE VERY PHRASES OUR FOUNDING FATHERS USED IN THE STRUGGLE FOR INDEPENDANCE.”….charles a.beard
    -

  • Jeanie

    Well…I have started at the first post and read most of them. I started out as a repub. and turned conservative. You all have shared many interesting view points however the housing boom/bust I believed started back in the last of Clinton years. I did vote for Bush…with regrets but Kerry gave me the creeps! Saying this I think the last 3 presidents have and yes this includes bammy, he is by far the worst led us to a social or communism road. I have advided everyone that I know to buy a gun if they don’t own one! If they have one to buy all the ammo they can. My uncle lives in GA and he told me that ammo is getting hard to come by. As a few others on this site…I have had a bad experience with a gun. However…this is my right…my freedom that we are talking about! I will protect my property and all it’s contents! This Government is not to be trusted!

    • David Hall

      OH, SO TRUE! HERE IN TENNESSEE, AMMO SALES HAVE DOUBLED AND ALL FIRE-ARMS HAVE WENT THROUGH THE ROOF. THE .223 CALIBER (i believe, that’s
      the one) IS VERY HARD TO COME BY. BE CAREFUL SAYIN, YOU DON’T TRUST
      MESSIAH OBAMA & GOVERNMENT. IT MAKES THESE LEFT-WING NUTS GO WILD, &
      CRAZY. YOU, WILL RECIEVE A LOT OF HATEFUL COMMENTS ON HERE. THEY WANT
      OBAMA & GOV. TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, FROM THE WOMB, TO THE TOMB.

  • DireWolf

    There has been a legal ruling that states ( paraphrasing) that any law, edict,statute or other rendering that has the color of law and is not 100% in accordance with the Constitution of the United States and the Original Bill of Rights is in effect null and void as though it never existed, no one is bound to adhere to, nor any court bound to enforce such rulings.

    SIXTEENTH AMERICAN JURISPRUDENCE SECOND EDTION, SECTION 256

    This is for me, as the rule of law and evidence proposes, reason enough to not obey any ruling from Washington, the Supreme Court, or other legislative body that is in disagreement with our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Saying certain firearms are illegal does in and of its self make it so, no more than did ( at one time in our history ) calling black people non-humans, wrong is wrong and nothing can ever change that.

  • James

    There seems to be widespread misinformation as to where our rights came from and how they are protected. First, rights existed before the state and federal governments were created, thus they are not dependent on government or their constitutions for their existence. Rights are inherent and inalienable, they are secured and protected by state constitutions – not the U.S. Constitution. The Bill of Rights declared Rights to be off-limits to the federal government.
    To learn about rights, do a search on your state’s constitution and read the ‘rights’ section. Fourty-four state constitutions have such sections, while six do not, but all Americans have the right to bear arms. The right is subject only to state police power laws, and every state is a little different.

  • http://Mediacom Wm

    Can you say Senator R.C. Soles? The state senator for South Carolina who has made a career of being anti-gun ownership. Yes the same one who just defended his own home (August 24) buy shooting one intruder and chasing the other away. Its obvious the senators family and property is more valuable than yours or mine with his “Do as I say not as I do” attitude.

  • swampfox

    you can kkep your ”change”,i’ll keep my second ammendment!

  • Don Ingram

    No one knows what the definition of an assault weapon is. They are going by the looks of the rifle. These so called assault weapons shoot the same way a semi-automatic hand gun shots. These bad, bad, bad guns.

  • American Citizen

    Look for the crime rate to go up as the dollar is falling in value. China, Japan and other European countries are going away from the dollar. Inflation is just around the corner and we will need those who own guns legally to help the police protect the rest of us. Hurray for the 2nd Amendment.

    • keith

      yeah,thanks to the ”messiah” the great and mighty all knowing and wise obama who has the answers for us all,yeah right!

  • Dennis-the-Mennis

    American Citizen
    When it becomes time for the public defence,you should be able to sustain you and your family. Food water medical suplies some kind of shelter.The current advice is 3/6 months werth. then keep in mind,if you can’t defend yourself,An armed bad guy will take what you have.The policemen also have families.In mass rioting who do you think they will protect? you of their families? There will be all kinds of caos.Probobly starting with an artifical food shortage. Maybe a nation wide bad reaction to the H1N1 flu vaccein that has everyone in a panic. When it comes,it will happen over night. you’ll wake up to a different country.The handwriteing is on the wall. all you have to do is read it.

    • Normal Guy

      What about the alien invaders, They are hiding in the deserts ready to strike. We definitely all need more guns!!

      • keith

        their called mexicans and yes their are plenty hiding in the desert and who knows what else coming across a unprotected border,think comrad obama cares?nope!

        • Normal Guy

          You should get out there in the desert and wait for them. The hero that you are, you can be the first line of defense. Maybe this time you will get your name in the paper.

          • keith

            GO SHINE YOUR JACKBOOTS and when you come for my guns i got something for you,meanwhile go back and do homage to your commie president!i bet your overjoyed when you get that ”tingly” feeling when you utter your messiahs name.

          • eyeswideopen

            LOL.

  • joeD

    Obama wants to take our guns or offer no ammo for them.He also wants a civilian Army just as strong as our millitary,for what.Once he gets our guns he will control use with force.I see no difference in he than a dictator.Think about it he respect all the dictators in the world,and denied our service men more troops when asked for more help.Its a month later,and still no troops.I want to see his birth record before I will call him President,(WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT).

  • James

    The U.S. Constitution created the federal government in 1789, and for the first 145 years the U.S. Congress did not pass a single law that concerned firearms. Then they passed the National Firearms Act of 1934. Did that law violate the Second Amendment? Did the Gun Control Act of 1968 violate it? Will HR 45, by Rep. Bobby Rush, violate it?

  • DaveH

    Oh Yeah, what would we do without the police to protect us?
    http://www.nationalexpositor.com/News/1322.html

    • James

      DaveH, The federal government has no police power within the States. That’s precisely what the Founders feared when they created the national government, and precisely why they added the restrictive Bill of Rights to the U.S. Constitution. Each State has its own police power. Originally it was the State’s Militia, but now that the state militias have been nationalized the fear is back. The only question is whether a state’s National Guard would attack its own citizens, like in Little Rock, Arkansas.

  • reasonawake

    Please will all you paranoid gun fanatics calm down! Nobody is going to take your guns away! There are over 300 million people in the U.S. If you were to count the registered weapons, I wouldn’t be surprised if we have a gun for every man, woman and child; and this is not counting all the illegal guns. Obama does not have the time or inclination to try and restrict or especially try and confiscate this weapons, it would be impossible! I personally know people who would not give up their guns to anyone without a fight. This whole sweat about guns is just another means by people who like to fire up fear, paranoia and hatred in our country and are using ownership of firearms to do so. Buy your guns and ammo, stock your arsenal, and maybe if you are lucky we will have another civil war, and you can have the pleasure of killing all the people you don’t like, instead of an occasional animal. Get that blood-lust out and all that. I’m a former U.S. Marine and though I own a weapon or two, I know and respect their main purpose, to kill life. And for that reason alone weapons need to be controlled and regulated, knowing they will never be confiscated. I don’t know about you, but I have come across many people who should not own a gun no matter how you interpret the 2nd Amendment. Reason Awake

    • keith

      did you write this when taking a break from shining your jackboots?

    • eyeswideopen

      Reason, thanks for serving, and you hit it dead center. But you can forget any reasonable conversation about this issue.

  • http://www.twitter.comSteveYankowski SteveYankowski

    I’ve never seen a felon worry about having a license for anything. The only thing this does is allow the Gov’t to keep records on honest people. To follow and be able to categorize honest people into categories such as (Terrorist) or (Subversive). The day I have to allow anybody in my home to see if I am compliant on anything is the day that freedom died. Pretty soon it won’t be for guns, it will be for light bulbs and methane detection! These laws only affect honest people who would comply anyway. Honest people don’t need laws to protect them from themselves. These are only how to “Control the masses”, Gov’t censoring of peoples freedoms. Gov’t only limits it never expands!

    • ccg

      You are sooooo right!!!

  • Dickie

    When the communist Party,We have.Steal your fire arms,Dont think the constitution is going to protect you,Its not as barney franks,The Queen of Mass.He said it was just a old peice of paper,To try to restain the politicans somewhat,When you have a lieing (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) pres.& and a lieing (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) bounch of evil parasites in goverment,They WILL DO WHAT THEY WANT,Legal or not,The demoncraps,Have proved they are liers,I dont give a damn what YOU BELIEVE,But the corrupt demons,Has always,LIED that the Republicans would TAKE YOUR S.S. & MEDICAE,&MEDICARE,The REPUBLICANS NEVER TOUCH NONE OF THEM EVER.Guess WHAT YOU ARROGANT JERKS,THE REAL THEVIES SHOW THEIR COLOR,THEY JUST STOLE YOUR MEDICADE & MEDICARE,And now YOU are going to pay through your ass,To Take care of illeagles FREE!.We almost had a chance to stop it but the AlQaeda,In MASS.Just put in a brand new thug,To take the place of TYRANT,Their kerry,kennedy health-care FAILD!,In MASS. Now these (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) WANTS TO PUT THEIR TRASH ON THE REST OF US.Their union thugs,Because of their stealing,Bribeing,LAZY & discusting bullying,Have cause a lot companys to other countrys,These blood sucking dogs,Are not Americans,They would kill or sell their own Mothers,To drag down America for their own greed,Just like the dregs acorn{A ORANIZATION to RUIN AMERICA},Other than the talban or al Qaeda,Have you ever seen any REAL AMERICAN PRES.Make children sing prase’es about them, Like YOUR MESSIAH HUSSEIN OBANA,I am sure you are proud of your child,Praseing someone other than GOD or you,Just like they do in Iran,NAZI GERMANY,IRAQ,Next month you will be on your knees,Praseing HUSSIEN OBAMA,Or YOUR LITTLE CHILD WILL TURN YOU IN,Most demons would rather look up to a PROVEN bald face lier,Than to be rude and call him a lier,Great morals demons.The only ones to have guns is politicans,& their gestapo.And the people where frankstine came from should have been rasing hell! And demanding a investagation on their Votes.But like everyone else their to lazy to do anything,And winne {WELL THER IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT}.Bull crap,Get off your lazy (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT),Get together it takes all of you,Atleast do it for your children.My GOD AMERICA WAKE THE HELL UP!.

    • keith

      AMEN TO THAT!

    • Normal Guy

      You sir are clearly an evil hateful parasite. Crawl under a rock where you belong.

      • keith

        are meds making you this dumb or is it natural?

        • Normal Guy

          Tell me again of your heroic adventures. Again – please direct me to the newspaper headlines regarding your gun blazing glory. Maybe Obama has had them all destroyed, a conspiracy to undermine your heroic efforts.

          • swampfox

            hope one day i happen to meet you on the street and we’ll see if you run your mouth then moron.

          • David Hall

            UN-Normal, I guess, when the GOOD LORD, was giving out BRAINS, you must
            have thought, HE, said RAIN, and you ran for cover, didn’t you?

          • eyeswideopen

            LMAO lol

        • David Hall

          Keith, maybe it’s a little in-breeding, somewhere down the line. His
          brain is a scrambled, damn, mess!

          • keith

            you got that right!he can talk all the trash talk here he wants,i figure a fist in the mouth would do him wonders!

          • David Hall

            Keith, that is what wrong with him, somehow, he missed out on the real
            world. You can tell by how childest he is was all his little name calling and like he trying to start a fight through the computer. You,
            wouldn’t have to punch him, you could just slap the taste out of his
            mouth, or hell, just spank him. I know his daddy didn’t or he wouldn’t
            be that way. Ha! Ha!

          • keith

            i figure he is a kid by the responses he’s giving,he got under my skin though,freakin little turd!

  • SMRTNUP

    I’m assuming that the gun manufacturers labeled certain models of guns with the term “ASSAULT RIFLE” !!! . . . Man, . . What a big mistake !!! . . The name alone, for sure, . . alienates it from those who are least informed about the true differences in firearms and how they work. . . In reality, . . The primary difference is the number of rounds which can be made available for use during one event. . . I would think that just about any semi-automatic weapon, . long or short gun, . . could be modified to accept a larger clip with more ammo on board, . . eh ? . .
    As the Nations lead Law Enforcement group, . . Our Federal Government is supposed to “SERVE AND PROTECT” us, . . Not ATTACK US from every direction possible. . .
    GOVERNMENT LESSON FOR GOVERNMENT PEOPLE: > > >
    “UPHOLD AND DEFEND” the Constitution which you swore to do and that’s where you S T O P !!! . . NO MORE – AND – NO LESS . . .
    What”s so hard about that ??? . . . No one has hired you to MODIFY, ALTER OR CHANGE Our Constitution !!! That’s not what you are SWORN to do !!! . . . Why do you get into things which are not in your job description ??? . . BACK OFF !!!
    . . . . Thank You ! . . .

  • keith

    VOTE EM OUT IN 2010!!!!!TAKE SOME OTHERS WITH YOU WHEN YOU GO!

    • ccg

      Oh for term limits. Then they would be more responsive to the people because they would be part of the people, not the ‘Set
      Apart Ones’.

  • swampfox

    and know we find out the ”safe” school czar is a slavering pediphile,and a self confessed commie,do the line of weirdos never end?something has to done,every time anyone of these obama appointed czars are scrutinized we find out they are communist,socialists,radicals,gays,pediphiles,have radical terrorist backgrounds,authored some radical left-wing ideological crap thats only good when you run out of toilet paper,theives,liars,swindlers,anti-american,anti-capitilist,lazy,whack jobs.thats the kind of freaks obama likes to be around,it’s like for every rock you turn over,several more roaches come out one just as mentally screwed up as the next,did russia and every other socialist nation send ALL their worst undesirable idiots here? good lord!they GOT TO GO! 2010 CAN’T GET HERE SOON ENOUGH!!!!in the meantime i’m locked and cocked,primed and ready,bring it on,i’m waiting! FREEEEDDDDOOOMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Normal Guy

      I sure you are really tough. 98 pound weaklings with big guns. You would probably faint if anyone came at you. Later Rambo wannabe. You are the problem not the solution, ignorant and armed.

      • keith

        i live in jax fla dork,why don’t you come on over and let me know when you get here and we’ll see about that!

  • James

    I have quoted the Preamble to the Bill of Rights, as to its restrictive federal purpose, five Supreme Court cases, including Heller of just last year, which all held that the Second Amendment’s “shall not be infringed” applies exclusively to the federal government. (If you would like, I could include the Founders’ remarks about whether to add the Bill of Rights, or not. What they feared is exactly the misunderstanding of it that now prevails.)
    No one has offered any authoritative proof that the Second Amendment grants the right to bear arms, and no one has even mentioned state constitutions, or their right to bear arms clauses.
    The U.S. Constitution is only the supreme law of the land to the extent of the limited powers that were granted to it in Article I, Section 8. Beyond that the national government has no power within the States. The Bill of Rights was added to ensure that Congress would not misconstrue the powers that were delegated, to regulate or control rights, which are inherent and inalienable. If one cannot cite and use the First Amendment’s “Congress shall make no law” in a logical sentence, that is incontrovertible evidence of misunderstanding the Founder’s purpose for the Bill of Rights.

  • James

    Moreover, I cited and quoted Nordyke v. King (a 9th Circuit Court of Appeals case) wherein for the first time in our history, the Second Amendment was incorporated via the 14th Amendment (in Alameda County, California). The 9th Circuit held that the right to bear arms was indeed a part of one’s Liberty and thus required states to not deprive their citizens of their right to bear arms “without due process of law.” In that instance, a county ordinance had outlawed gunshows at their local fairground, which the Nordykes had sponsored for years. The Court held that the Second Amendment could not be “directly incorporated” within the States, and cited the Supreme Court cases I quoted above, which held the amendment applies exclusively to the federal government. And since California did not deprive the Nordykes of their right to bear arms “without due process of law” (i.e., the Alameda County ordinance was a valid due process) that law did not violate the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. The Nordyke case only involved whether a state had violated a citizen’s right to bear arms without due process of law. It had nothing to do with the Second Amendment, which, again, applies exclusively to the national government.

  • Charlie

    The left is never going to agree with the right, that’s a given. I’m a 64 year old retired, disabled Viet Nam vet. I was sent 8000 miles to fight the communists. I never thought there would be a communist in the white house. The first step to domination in pre-war Germany was the take-over of health care. Everything then fell into line. Confiscation of weapons, eradication of free speech, and the murder of 6 million JEWS. The II amendment guarantees the same won’t happen in this country. there has been mention of the messiah’s signing of a bill allowing weapons in national parks visavie state laws. This in itself should be looked upon with a jaundiced eye as a stalking horse in sheep’s clothing. The politicos have poluted, and perverted what was the greatest system of governance known to man, for their own agrandizement, and personel gain. Freedoms are going fast and that loss will only escalate if the communist obama gets his hands in health care. The only hope for the future is get rid of the seated politicians and start over from scratch!!! G-d bless America

    • keith

      amen bro!

    • James

      Charlie, Well said. The Second Amendment was supposed to guarantee that the newly created federal government would not infringe on our right to bear arms, and for the first 145 years (1789-1934) it didn’t. However, since then the National Firearms Act of 1934, the Gun Control Act of 1968, etc., etc., has increasingly violated the amendment, usually under the guise of protecting interstate commerce, or under their taxing power. How Americans can ignore that is mind-boggling.

  • Stuart and Judi Buncher

    Some facts not put out by the media. According to the FBI firearms are used in one third of all murders. The other two thirds of weapons are hands and feet,edged weapons(knives,scissors,letter openers, etc) and blunt objects(bats,hammers,frying pans,etc). New Jersey determined what longarms should be put on the assault weapons banned list by letting the mother of one of the Senators pick them out from pictures. There are over 90million households in the US with 240million REGISTERED rifles shotguns and handguns in the US (none of them have killed anyone). 80% of all blackmen killed in this country are killed by blackmen.

    • keith

      amen to that.as to the last,let em waste each other in droves i say!

      • David Hall

        A black child gets beat to death outside a Chicago school, with a bat.
        A black college football player from U. of Connecticut gets stabbed to
        death. All within a week, or two, and I’m sure many more unreported cases across America. What’s funny, the NAACP, Sharpton, Jackson and
        many more, that will BLAME the white man for inventing the bat and the
        modern knife. The reason they are shooting and killing each other by the thousands, it’s the white mans’ fault for inventing the guns. Crack-cocaine addictions, white mans’ fault for inventing it. Man, it goes on and on and never stops. I’m with you, if many of them folks, want to wipe their on people out, and blame the white folks, HAVE AT IT.

  • Ed Wyda

    It only takes a few amount of words to waard the Democrats!

    Pass any law to require gun owners to register weapons, and the revolution will start. If your a Democrat, there will be a bullet with your name on it! I served in our armed forces to protect and defend our country, and I will continue to do so! This is all that has to be said!

    • keith

      i’m with you bro!

    • eyeswideopen

      You obviously didn’t serve or you would remember what you swore to, it sure wasn’t, I will defend my country from citizens who are not in my political party. Your attitude is what will destroy the Constitution and this country. You can then brag that you didn’t uphold the Constitution, when you shot all those Democrats. But keep on talking as the moderates of this country will make sure that the Republicans never get control back with radicals like you in the party. In addition, you are hurting the gun rights activists, as they have to try and explain statements like yours threatening to kill Dem’s.

      • David Hall

        Eyes, Eyes, Poor Eyes, You got to read and understand the 1st sentence,
        that Ed wrote. Once you UNDERSTAND THAT! and only then will you be able
        to fully understand the rest of the story. The punch line to Ed’s comment is to DEFEND OUR FREEDOMS AND GOD GIVEN RIGHTS! against anybody.He was just using you liberal Dems as an example. EYES, LOOK AT
        THE WHOLE STORY, NOT JUST ONE STOP. IT WILL HELP YOU. YOU, LIBERALS ARE
        ALL ALIKE. READ, ONE WORD AN AMERICAN WRITES AND IT UPSETS YOU, AND YOU
        GO NUTS. GO GET CHA! SOME WARM MILK.

  • NOT AGAIN

    my grandfather carried a gun everywhere he went. we use to laugh at him. and his favorite saying was ” not again” and we laugh at him there also. when my aunt got fed up with us laughing, she told us what it meant. in germany he gave up his gun rights with ” we still have each other” then he last his brother to a cons. camp then a sis. and evenualy the ” we still have each other turned to ” im all alone” the rest of the family were either killed or pemanantly lost to him, after the war. we laughed no more. and as far as giving up my gun rights? NEVER AGAIN !!!!!!!

  • JD

    After serving in the Army and after my deployment to Iraq I got my CFP. Stater going back to college to find out i can’t carry my weapon in classes. Ok then, I lucked it up in my truck. I got pulled over one day at school by the local PD because “he knew i supported the Second Amendment” confiscated my pistol and some ammo. Later that day I got all my belongings back but it goes to show that the deification is going to hit the oscillation soon.

  • Sunshine

    I have no problem with assault rifles. Unlike other weapons, they can help a man effectively defend his life and property in the face of multiple attackers (e.g., store owners defending themselves during the LA riots.) When you’re being charged by an irrational mob, brandishing a pistol just won’t cut it. This is FACT – it has happened. (To the liberal who has not completely surrendered to the dark side: FACTS are little things based on TRUTH – not opinions, hopes or wishes.) Whether you approve or not, you can be sure that the store owners were very thankful that they had the right to arm themselves with weapons of their choosing, yet the anti-gun dunces want to take away their gun rights because someone MIGHT abuse them. Also, while I’m sorry for those who have lost a loved one to a gun-related crime, but it doesn’t justify stripping others of that right. It is not logical. Criminals will have their guns no matter what so who are you really protecting? Come on! Taking away a right before it has been abused is pure idiocy; tantamount to convicting someone without a trial.

    It shouldn’t matter one iota what our founding fathers meant when they wrote, “keep and bear arms.” They had no way of knowing what “arms” might be available in the future, but they didn’t really need to know! However, I bet if they had any clue just how the anti-gun dunces would twist their intent, they would have come up with something more direct such as: “To those of you in the future who might not have the ability to understand our love of freedom, when we wrote “arms” we meant whatever means are available in your lifetime. We trust that the majority of people will use common sense and will do the right thing most of the time. Have faitht that everything will balance out.”

    The only time the government should step in is AFTER a citizen has broken the law or if there is a serious proof that they might (e.g., terrorism plots etc.) Remove a right from an INDIVIDUAL AFTER a crime, not from an entire population that hasn’t committed one. It is my informed opinion that restricting guns rights is laregely leveraged off of irrational fears and a hand full of emotionally driven people in high places. Nothing good comes from fear. ( Hello? Anti-gun people…do you grasp the TRUTH yet?)

    I believe that many anti-gun people actually think they are helping society, but they are WRONG. Even when faced with the facts. Fear-based liberals continue to enact all kinds of foolish laws in what some might say is an attempt to protect us from ourselves – yet they attempt to deny individuals the right to defend themselves when they really need to?! Bleeding hearts, if you truly care about your fellow humans – BACK OFF and leave us to be free to make our own choices, good or bad!

    Individual freedoms are what made this country great and kept it safe from tyranny (notice the past tense). Now some of you might think gun rights are not important to you, but they are regardless of what you think of guns. Essentially, being anti-gun means you are anti-freedom. You shouldn’t be afraid of guns, but you should be very afraid of losing your freedoms. Now if you’re anti-freedom, you’re anti-American so please pack your Subaru and leave the country because people like you are destroying this country. Oh yeah, and take Obama with you!

    • David Hall

      It couldn’t have been explained or written any better, I totally agree.
      The sad, true problem is, the twisted minds of the liberals, want our
      freedoms destroyed and the same goes for our, America. Look, what their
      messiah Obama is doing. Completely, destroying our way of life, liberty, and the pursue for happiness. It’s mind-blowing!

  • Gil

    You cannot legislate criminals to obey the law, all you can do is strip the freedoms from the law abiding citizen which makes him a victim to the before mentioned criminal.

    Liberals should not be called liberals, they should be called Fascists or Communists. A liberal would want you to exercise your liberties! These do not. One of the best gun control speeches ever given was by Adolph Hitler, it is frightening how fast the nut balls on the left are quoting him, without even knowing it.

    Scary.

    • David Hall

      AMEN BROTHER! I BELIEVE, THEY ALL ARE ANTI-AMERICA. I ALSO, BELIEVE MOST OF THEM KNOW ALL ABOUT HITLER AND THEY ARE SET ON DESTROYING OUR
      FREEDOMS AND LIBERTIES, AND AMERICA. THEIR MINDS ARE IN A DARK HOLE.
      THEY ARE ALL FOR THE FREEDOM AND LIBERTY OF THE CRIMINAL, NOT THE VICTIM. THREE INTRUDERS BREAK IN MY HOME, I WANT THE RIGHT TO DEFEND
      MY HOME WITH A FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPON, NOT A SINGLE SHOT, SHOTGUN OR
      IF THEY GET THEIR WAY, (NO FIRE-ARM AT ALL).

      • Vermonster

        I really don’t believe that most Dems or even liberal dems are anti-American. I strongly believe thay are mis-informed, idealistic, and will stay ignorant because they refuse to listen to any opposing viewpoints. As long as they depend on Keith Overbite and Rach Madsow for their info, they don’t have a prayer of knowing whats really going on. They cosider “Assault Weapons” as deadly killers that no-one should own. Only the Military. They can’t define them, but they sure want them banned. A beautiful Remington or Winchester with a highly figured Walnut stock is not an “assault weapon”, but an all steel, plastic stocked semi-automatic rifle is. And the difference between them?? Ya got me..
        Don’t expect that the libs are going to change their minds, it’s like a religion to them. But when of them lives next door, and they get attacked, robbed or whatever, who’s the one that they hope is home? Yep, the guy next door that has those “mean and evil guns”. Go figger…

    • Sunshine

      Yes, Gil, I agree. Liberal might not be the right name. I’ve heard talk show host, Mark Levin, call them state-ists. I can’t recall his definition, but when he explained it, it made perfect sense. (Actually, it doesn’t matter what I call them, and it doesn’t matter if they’re on the extreme left or the extreme right, a whacko is a whacko to me.) That being said, I consider both entirely necessary. Kind of like the north and south poles. We don’t think about them most of the time, but if they were to shift polarities, we’d sure as heck notice! Well, right now, things have shifted too much to the left and people are not happy about it. But what can we do to fight it?
      Those of us who understand what is going on need to teach the clueless so they know why we need to vote out the state-ist, liberal, whacko left – whenever we get the chance! (Notice I am not slamming the entire party because decent middle of the road Democrats exists. I just hope they have the good sense to hold the left at bay.) The whackos on the left have been far too vocal for far too long. Republicans and Libertarians need to be proud of their views and speak up for FREEDOM. (Wow, shades of William Wallace at the end of Braveheart!) Stepping off the soapbox for now. It was fun, but now it’s someone else’s turn…

  • http://clmmorgan@vertizon.net carl morgan

    in england guns or knives are illegal

    • Cathy S

      And in England, the crime rate has skyrocketed. The powers that be are well aware of this fact. They want our guns so we cannot defend ourselves against THEM! I have two handguns and am buying a rifle and a shotgun. Then I will have an RV and be driving all over the country…just try and get my guns…you’ll quickly learn how good of a shot I am!

  • http://clmmorgan@vertizon.net carl morgan

    as long as a free man lives there will be freedom in this united states when free men give up firearms they no longer will be free

  • http://earthlink.net steve mcdaniel

    IF GUNS ARE OUTLAWED ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS

    • bbstacker

      …and the “outlaws” will either come to your defense, because you have no regard for your Heritage, or the real outlaws will take everything you have and leave you with nothing as they did when you HAD the chance to defend yourself and your Heritage. Idiots like you have no place in America.

  • Claire

    The criminals will ALWAYS get guns. They always have, they always will. I believe in gun ownership with responsibility. My husband hunts,and I don’t have a problem with that but I do have a big problem with weekend warriors that go out and do their “thing” leaving deer running around with arrows hanging out of their bodies, and wounded deer from hunters that don’t know how to shoot. I also have a problem with hunters during quail and pheasant season, they need to train their dogs properly so that they are not gun shy. Some hunters take a dog/puppy out right off the bat, shoot a gun over their heads, and don’t bother to try to find the dog when it takes off. The local animal shelter always fills up during hunting season. I have acreage in the country not far from where I live. I do NOT allow hunting because of the ineptness of the hunters. A neighbor has had 2 cows shot. My sister lives on the property adjoining mine, she has 11 deer slugs in her house. It is scary to go out of her house during deer season.
    Food for the table is fine, but I sincerely wish these hunters would learn how to make a “clean” kill and not leave wounded and maimed deer to suffer.
    I believe in having a gun for protection, but I don’t need an AK-47, and I don’t need assault rifles. I don’t go around with an attitude that I will blow anyone’s brains out if they mess with me. But I will protect myself if any situation warranting the use of a gun would happen.

  • STeevr

    It is interesting that those who would protect the second amendment can parse just like a politicians and say well it is okay to regulate this type of firearm and not that one. The founding fathers made no distinction, nor would they in modern times. They instinctively feared government and understood the magnitude of their achievements. They lived through the political evolution, conversion from feudalism to modern thoughts and ideals of personal L-I-B-E-R-T-Y, and rights which cannot be taken away. If you doubt, read the published history of each of the signers of the Declaration of Independence. NO ONE currently in government has the personal history, values or system of beliefs necessary to interpret their intentions. The language used in our core documents is clear, somewhat flowery, but very clear nonetheless. Once you start down the slippery slope, it is difficult to stop. Regulations, like every thing else, once inertia has been overcome, tend to build momentum. There is nothing, NOTHING in truthful aggregate of statistics which supports the conclusion the firearm ownership results in anything negative. The same arguments used to promote gun control can be used for every single object ever used to harm a human being. Axes, stone tools, pyrex dinner ware, pots and pans, knives, martial arts, teeth, fingernails are all potential lethal weapons. The operation of a motor vehicle is a potential as well. There is only one reason to promote gun control, to limit resistance to an agenda, history is replete with nations who have taken away the tools of resistance and then taken away basic freedoms. The mere fact that there exists in our body of law, laws which regulate and enforce so called “crimes of conspiracy” is evidence of intentions. Enforcing statutes which stipulate conspiracy as a crime, identify collective thought as a criminal action. America has become the soft member that so many other countries wish it to be. We have ceased to be the beacon, the unique nation that defined what opportunity was. It has already happened. I personally do not own a material object that is worth the life of another human being. My ownership of firearms is exclusively for the protection of my family, but that is NOT the point. Reject every single attempt to subdivide and type arms into legal and non-legal. Every step in that direction is a step in the wrong direction. Reject every politician who espouses these things, every law which promotes them and every neighbor who tries to find the middle ground. The individual that suggests the search for middle ground, is incapable of vision and true leadership. There is no middle ground. If you become mired in the my party/your party argument, your already being distracted, wasting time and energy. Someone intended for you to do that. The standard exists, protect it.

    • David Hall

      Oh, how true it is. Give, them an inch and they’ll take a mile.

  • tom

    Take your gun control (comment removed for offensive content)

  • vernon

    I think everyone in the us should carry a gun

    • Cathy S

      I agree! In Switzerland, it is MANDATORY to own a gun. There is no crime there. Duh… The loony liberals will never understand this. Or the fact that if WE don’t have guns, the criminals still will.

  • DRC

    The government can redefine the meaning of assault weapon to include or not include any number of firearms. It’s just a matter of determining how far they feel they can go to restrict civilians from owning any class of firearm. Private ownership for either hunting, shooting sports, or protection is our individual God given right. Any day as one listens to any news broadcast, it is easy to understand we are living in a sick world and in a country on the down slide.

  • Richard W

    I believe the is a quote that quickly and briefly sums up this whole mess: “They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers”!!!!!!!

  • John Gault

    All I can say is this. Please Come and Get my Gun’S!! And Come Armed, for you will need to be!!!!!!!!!

  • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

    Early this year, Attorney General Eric Holder promised to re-instate the so-called assault weapons ban before the end of Obama’s first term. The news set off a wave of panic-buying of high-powered weaponry and ammunition by the populace. I myself went and bought an elegant mini-14 semi-automatic rifle with a 30-round clip, although I already had a perfectly functional pistol. But I knew that those socialists misfits would eventually make this exellent firearm unattainable, so I just had to have it. If I were to hazard a guess, I’d say that there are twice as many legal gun owners in the U.S. now then there were before Obama was elected. Don’t you just love unintended consequences?

  • Heart

    For those of you on this site of whom may think you are going to defect our president are living in a world of make believe and nothing beats god so if any of you are proclaiming to be christains go back and read the facts of The I am ctiteria. This man deserves the praise for pulling us out of the biggest mess since the deppression so don’t you expect me to agree with folks such as yourselves. I’m and true woman of god and It is my obligation to call out liars but i can tell you this with absolutly truth that you all will have your day soon enough. So stop emailing me all this foolishness just because I’m and republican I think for myself and i stand on and higher ground and will never agree to lies and go to hell I live for god not man and you women and men of god need to stop being cowards and denoucne all this evil and lies being told.have a blessed day

    • Mike H

      The president is an idiot and hasn’t gotten us out of anything execpt being a secure and prosperous nation of free people.

      • bbstacker

        Mike, that’s too polite, but acceptable. Zerobama has done nothing to promote a sovereign nation, uphold and defend the Constitution, or challenge Americans to be independent and free. His agenda, supported by the out-of-balance government is to give everything to everybody that will destroy the wealth and individuality of our very principles as American Citizens. Nothing that this amateur has done or said has any regard for at least 150 million people living in this nation when he promotes ideas that intend to take as much as possible from us to give to the other half who have no intention of working for it themselves. We are on the brink of a worthless fiat currency. Many do not comprehend the misery that potentially will befall all of us.

  • Mike H

    Will someone define or tell me what an assault weapon is? Is that like a pool cue? Knife? Brass knuckles? Bar stool? Bad music?
    Yeah, I too recently bought a semi-auto rifle that looks like an M16 just because I wanted one and could afford one. My house is filled with pool cues, bar stools, knives and bad music.
    I will see to it that the government stays out of my house.

  • Cliff

    Assault is just bad behaviour, not a thing to be restricted. As so many others have said, if it’s in the Military arsenal, then it is clearly a militia-type weapon, and must be made available to anyone who can possess a firearm.
    Gun control means you can hit your target.
    We need criminal control.

  • http://personallibertydigest john baker

    I truly believe the politicians in Washington will do ANYTHING to disarm this country I whole heartely agree with what the retired police officer said in his statemnet The mind set of todays police are that we are all stupid & THEY know every thing I use a gun range that is mostly consisting of police officers Some of the attitudes I have heard from these officers are truly scarry .
    The reallity of gun controll is not safety its easier to round up unarmed people then armed people , its all about controll and fear
    Slaves are nade in such ways

  • http://TEXAS MATHILDA

    I have the right to protect myself and my family. That is what I will do. The brown shirts will come with Obama’s moon logo, and if you are not ready, then you will be the next holacoust victom.
    Then all haydes will break loose, and how will you protect yourself? How will you feed your family? This will happen, look at what has happened so far, if we don’t get this changed in our white house then it will come. There will be stealing and killing not just by guns, they will kill you with whatever they have to get something to eat, or what you wear, or what ever means possible to survive.
    SO, many people are not prepared to take care of themselves, we are a nation that is really spoiled on just going somewhere and just paying for it and getting what we want. What if something happens, and we have to depend on ourselves? You can’t hunt, you can’t defend yourself, and you will be at the mercy of someone to tell you what to do. No gas, how will you get around? So many people take things for granted, WATCH THE POSTMAN WITH KEVIN COSTNER, THAT WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING.I teach my grandkids how to to survive, how to shoot, for sport and what it means to kill an animal for meat. I teach them what it means to be a hunter. Respect for that animal and what it means to have to depend on yourself. Better think about it, you will be helpless when it comes, and it will come, if not soon, the ugly head of evil is always lurking in the shadows. May think I am crazy, but when the time comes my family will be ready.

  • http://www.cashandfun.com honeybee

    Wow! This is about the best and most interesting post site I have ever seen. What a following too. I would be here until finished but have too much to do. There are some really great remarks here.

    I think they use the fraze “assault weapons” mostely because it scares people who are not familiar with guns, have not been around guns and are afraid of guns. This technique works well to get votes against guns and gun laws. I’m a firm believer in the constitution and the right to gun ownership and the right to protect ourselves. Without that right we’re simply puppets in danger of who knows what’s on the government’s agenda for us besides a complete take over. I have to agree with some of the other posts, the ones making the decisions to disarm America probaly don’t know a thing about guns. Obama has made me love Bush. I couldn’t stand Bush. I was a Democrat for years, or I thought I was. Now I’m an Independent leaning well to the right. I like both Ann Coulter and Michelle Caukin. I was a dummny before but now I’m finally starting to wise up. Hurray for everyone who fights for our right to bear arms. Thank god for NRA. I think everyone should be an NRA member.

  • http://na me

    cops coming in my house to see if im complying? what a bunch of BS!
    i do feel americans should have a right to bear arms, and protect there families and homes, but i think the sale of semiautomatic weapons poses a threat to our kids. those guns have no real hunting purpose and every one knowsthese assault rifles are only used to kill people, and mostly used by bad people. but gun shops dont care,most lawmakers dont care, because they and there families dont live in areas were you need a gun to protect yourselves! and its big bucks!
    i can see regulation, but to have to register, allow a friggen cop the right to walk right in your home to see if your complying, is wrong!

  • Larry McKinley

    Quite clear those in Government are the problem.
    Quite clear they have an obligation to up hold the Constitution, Guarenteed by the Government.
    We must wonder where these People have their minds after becoming Leaders in the Government.
    Government continues to put up Borders, Constant controls.
    We must stop and look at what Freedoms we have left. ????????
    Charging innocent People with a Felony is the new way of Gun Control.

  • Roland Tibbs

    We should all be scared by what the current administration is trying to do in all aspects of our goverment evrything their trying to do is almost exactly right out of Hitlers Book (Mein Kampf) here is some of it read it and draw your own conclusion’s.

    Mein Kampf:679 “The strength of a party lies in the disciplined obedience of the members to follow their leadership. The decisive factors are leadership and discipline. When troops battle one another, the victorious one will be that which is blindly obedient to the Superior Leader.”

    Mein Kampf:704 “The emphasis was put on the spoken word because only it is in a position to bring about great changes for general psychological reasons. Enormous world revolutionary events have not been brought about by the written word, but by the spoken word.”

    Mein Kampf:704 “The agitatory activity of speech is bound to have mass influence.”

    Mein Kampf:706 “The great speaker senses the words that he needs to use in order to impassion his audience. If he errs he has the opportunity for correction. He can read his listener.’ expressions to see if they understand, and can repeat his message until he has convinced them of the correctness of what he has said.”

    Mein Kampf:706 “The great speaker will repeat his message so often, with so many examples, he will overcome objections and refute them before they are even raised.”

    Mein Kampf:710 “I was astonished by how much better my message was received at night…. It’s a mysterious magic that allows an encroachment upon man’s free will. In the evening they succumb more easily to the dominating force of a stronger will. The domineering apostolic nature weakens their resistance.”

    Mein Kampf:715 “The meeting is necessary if only because new adherents of a new movement feel lonely and are easily seized with the fear of being alone. Brought together they sense a greater community…. They are carried away by the powerful effect of the suggestive intoxication and enthusiasm of the others. The crowd confirms the correctness of the new doctrine in his mind and removes doubt. He then succumbs to the magic seductive influence of the meeting.”

    Mein Kampf:717 “God be praised and thanked that unspoilt people avoid bourgeois mass meetings as the Devil avoids holy water.”

    Mein Kampf:715 “The man who is the first representative of a new doctrine is exposed to serious oppression and urgently needs the strengthening that lies in the conviction of being a fighter in an embracing body.”

    Mein Kampf:720 “It was important to introduce blind discipline into our meetings and to safeguard the authority of the leader. The brutal recklessness of our guards were able to thwart the enemy’s hecklers.”

    Mein Kampf:728 “Before they could finish a sentence they would find themselves thrown outside the hall.”

    Mein Kampf:752 “Destiny chooses the Man and Destiny gives him the final victory. Dissatisfied with the religious life of his people, he longs for a renovation. Based upon his inspiration he is called upon to present a solution for this religious distress, appearing like a prophet of a new doctrine and as a fighter against the existing ones.”

    Kampf:752 “The strongest man is chosen for fulfilling the great mission. One Man is the One who is exclusively called upon.”

    Mein Kampf:753 “They have the purest faith in their own mission, they consider themselves obliged to go their own way without considering others. Nature Herself, in Her inexorable logic, makes the decision by prompting fights and by leading that movement to the goal that has been chosen by the clearest, shortest, and surest way.”

    Mein Kampf:763 “One must never forget that everything that is actually great in this world has not been fought for and won by coalitions, but always by the success of One Individual victor. The religious State will never be created by compromise but only by the steel-hard willpower of one sole movement which has struggled its way against all others.”

    Mein Kampf:765 “If popularity and force unite then authority can be established more solidly based upon tradition. When popularity, force, and tradition combine, authority becomes unshakable.”

    Mein Kampf:798 “What we need is not one hundred daring plotters, but many hundreds of thousands of fanatical fighters for our view of life.”

    Mein Kampf:845 “Nazism{Liberalism} must claim the right to force its principles on the whole and educate everyone about its ideas and thoughts without regard to previous boundaries.”

    Mein Kampf:848 “Great theorists are only in the rarest cases great organizers. The Greatness of the program-maker [religious founder] lies in the recognition and in the establishment of abstractly correct rules, while the organizer has to be a psychologist. He has to take man as he is, and thus must know him. He must not over evaluate him. He must try to account for his weakness and bestial nature so that the program becomes a strong, constant force, suitable for carrying an idea and paving its way to success.”

    Mein Kampf:848 “Rarely is a great theorist a great leader. More usually he is an agitator who shows the ability of imparting an idea to the masses as a psychologist and demagogue. For to lead means to be able to move [seduce] the masses.”

    Mein Kampf:849 “The combination of the theorist [prophet], organizer [politician], and leader [general] in one person is the rarest thing to be found on this globe. This combination makes the Great Man.”

    Mein Kampf:851 “The first task of propaganda is the winning of people for the future organization. The first task of the organization [Islam] is the winning of people for the continuation of propaganda. The second task of propaganda is the destruction of existing doctrines. The second task of the organization must be the fight for power so that by it will achieve the final success of the doctrine [total submission].”

    Mein Kampf:851 “The most striking success of the revolution of a view of life will always be won whenever the new view of life [religotic] is taught [dictated] to all people, and if necessary, is forced upon them.”

    I call this Obama’s Playbook.

  • http://n/a Mark

    I will not stand to be dictated to. I will not be caught without a firearm at my immediate disposal. I will not conform to a gov’t that practices tyranny. I will not hesitate to fire upon anyone that attempts to take my freedoms away. If I had the resources I would not hesitate to eliminate any member of the present administration. It is not a good time to be a politician or military member or law enforcement member at any level. They will die at my hands when they cross my line. You weakling dems that can’t even govern your own life without gov’t intervention laugh if you will, but I do not talk just to hear myself, I am deaf, but not blind.

  • Lary

    I will believe gun’s kill people when you can make me believe that pencils misspell word’s and that spoon’s make Rosie O’Donald fat.

  • Bob

    This has been a subject I’ve followed for a while now. Here is my answer to it.
    1. I own guns.
    2. They are not now and will never be registered even if the pass this bill.
    3. What kind they are is none of your or the governments business.
    4. Anyone government or civilian trying to force theyre way into my home while I am there will find out what kind they are.

    And befor anyone says I’m some sort of right wing wacko, I served 20 years in the military to preserve our way of life. Did you?

  • Bob

    While reading these posts the idea kept coming up that the government would some how be able to use the military against an general uprising of the people. I don’t believe this is possible, the people who make up the military are not mercenaries brought in from other countries, they are our friends, neigbors, and brothers/sisters. As a 20 year veteran I would have considered such an order as unlawful and would have refused to comply.

  • Jacqueline Soren

    WOW thats a lot of words defending the rights of citizens.

  • mark.e.s.

    well everyone alot of great comments!! My first time on this site. I live in PA, and have been a conceiled carry permit holder since 1984 and still am. In those 26 years, I have needed my weapon five times, all of which I was out-numbered at least two to one. One time out of the five I actually had to draw down on the —–. What? Take the weapon from the holster and not use it? That’s right. cops do it every day. so what. some people are just plain stupid. They need to see that jacketed hollow point staring back at them before leaving you alone. I have found through personal expeience that the mere presence of a firearm will usually disarm most bad situations. I believe in my heart of hearts that all these nuckleheads out there that want to ban any kind of gun have been very lucky so far in thier lives. they probably have never needed one. I also think that they are a major part of our “react” society that we live in today. They wait till “it” hits the fan, and then “react” to “it”. Too Late! I also believe in my heart of hearts that most of the politians really don’t care who has guns, and who don’t. they just want the special interest money. most of them, at least the extremely powerful ones, are always protected by armed body gaurds. so what the hell do they care.. I have alot of friends in law enforcement, and the military. they all feel the same way as we do. they would never fire upon law abiding US citizens, and they believe that everyone should be armed. all everyone has to do is go to the fbi’s website and do some research on the crime stats. it’s all there. the areas of the country that allow conceiled carry have lower crimes rates than the others. it’s all there. you just have to “want to” learn the truth. The politicians know it too. most folks I have talked to over the years believe that the only reason this country is so safe from attack is because of it’s people being so well armed. This is why I feel that most politicians are not our friends. Anyone who wants to take away our basic rights of being able to defend ourselves and our families are simply no good, and need to be removed from office. You must vote!!! It’s the only way to get these idiots out of office before we’re goose stepping down main street USA!!!! I have to get ready for work now, but one more thing…I just can’t believe the blatant stupidity of the voters in this country!!! Is everyone stupid?? Doesn’t anyone research these morons before they vote for them?? I don’t know what’s in store for all of us in the future, but based on the past year, I think we’re in deep do do!!!!

  • Greg

    I have good friends in the UK who have personally seen the result of restrictive gun laws. They are no longer safe in their own homes. They banned the private ownership of handguns several years ago and violent crime has increased since then. By law you aren’t allowed to even use a knife in self defense in your own home. A friend who lives on a farm in Wales was assaulted on his own property a couple years ago by a career criminal. He was left for dead and had he not had his cell phone on him and been able to call for help he would have died. The police and courts did nothing for my friend, but went out of their way to defend the criminal, who got nothing but a hand slap and a fine. The entire episode was caught on my friend’s security cameras and the police weren’t even interested in looking at the tapes. Don’t think for a minute that a ban on guns would keep guns out of a criminal’s hands. On a recent flight from London I sat next to a British attorney who told me she was assigned to defend a 16 year-old boy who had shot someone with a pistol. If a 16 year-old kid can get a gun in a country where they are banned, then ANY criminal can get one. Then they will be even bolder in committing crimes because they know their law-abiding victim is unarmed.

  • Danny Terry

    Taking guns of any kind from a good person is so wrong… because you will never take the guns from the bad people… They will not care about all the dumb laws.. There will come a time when all the people that would take our gun rights away from us will wish they kept their traps shut.. remember this… and remember that a true honest American warned you… Guns and good honest people earned this country and it is the only way we will keep it… and don’t think for one minute that our small military could stop a full invasion against our homeland…
    Guns are our rights and God help us without them..
    Don’t you think it is about time to stop with all the new laws that some dumb-asses sit around dreaming up? I say it is time to get back to the day that a person could go outside and walk somewhere or drive somewhere that they would not be breaking some new law… and this gun law stuff just makes me sick and sad that I served for my country and worked so hard like my father and his father to keep our American ways and keep us free and to think that there are people out there that would undermine this makes me sick… What we need to do is start watching our borders and running out people that don’t belong here because that is an invasion and far more important than any type of gun control… All you should need to know is that The 2nd Amendment guarantees that the newly created federal government would not infringe upon our right to bear arms… PERIOD!!
    I am a Vietnam vet and proud of it! and I say if you don’t like it… go back to Canada and hide like before..
    Danny, American!~!
    P.S. Any sworn official serving to protect our boarders.. that shoots an illegal invader should be given a medal.. not be reprimanded

  • Dave

    The liberals will always seek a ways to remove our guns and ownership rights. They are looking for a sunshine and butterfly world, a total threat free enviroment.The Lautenburg Act will add more people to felon status with no chance of relief.Before they are done everyone will be classified as a dangerous person and added to Obamas Terrorist list.The bad boy pool is growing and will continue.Soon we will all be bad people some way or another if we allow these liberals to continue.Wake up stand for somthing or lose everything.

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