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I Guess The Mayans Missed It

December 21, 2012 by  

I Guess The Mayans Missed It
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If you’re reading this, I guess the Mayans were wrong. Or maybe they were right and we’re still on the verge of the apocalypse. After all, it’s still early Dec. 21 in some places, and the “Long Count” Mayan calendar wasn’t a clock.

But so far the poles haven’t flipped, solar flares haven’t wiped out electronics and aliens haven’t arrived on a French mountainside to rescue people.

Around the world, belief that (or fear that) Dec. 21 would bring on some kind of apocalyptic scenario has people storing food and supplies and buying shelters. Ron Hubbard, a manufacturer of hi-tech underground survival shelters, says his business has exploded.

“We’ve gone from one a month to one a day,” he said. “I don’t have an opinion on the Mayan calendar but, when astrophysicists come to me, buy my shelters and tell me to be prepared for solar flares, radiation, EMPs (electromagnetic pulses) … I’m going underground on the 19th and coming out on the 23rd. It’s just in case anybody’s right.”

I have been telling you to prepare for disaster for many years, though not for any date-specific occurrence as much as for a natural disaster (like superstorm Sandy) or economic collapse, which will create chaos and turmoil and result in millions of sad and hungry (and dangerous) people.

So enjoy today. Celebrate that the Mayans missed it, just as they missed their own demise. Tomorrow, begin (if you haven’t already) to prepare for the next storm to come. It may be a massive winter storm that leaves you without power for a week or two. It may be an earthquake. It may be a named storm, like Sandy or Hurricane Katrina. It may be an electromagnetic pulse weapon (EMP). Or it may be a bank run.

To be prepared, have cash on hand. Have food and water stored (for a week or more, at least), have gold and silver in your possession, and have weapons and ammunition at the ready. This will give you peace of mind.

And if aliens do arrive, send them my way. I don’t want to be left behind, and I’ve got food for the trip to… wherever.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • independant thinker

    Excellent article Mr Livingston. I have never accepted the claim that 12-21-12 signeled the literal end of the world. Rqather, i have always recognized it for what it is, that being the end of one age and the start of a new one. Given what little i know about Myan beliefs it is entirely possible they would expect the transition from one age to the next to be a time of trials and tribulation with natural disasters and social upheaval but they would expect things to sort themselves out and reach a new eaqualibriam in short order. Please excuse any misspellings as it is late and I am tired and headed for bed shortly.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Well said, IT!!!

    • nabiru

      Mr.IT.is on the wright truck. The Mayans weren’t mistaken. The world what was created by the elite of the Cali Yuga( dark age)is over. They still try to hang on to the power but it is slipping trough their fingers . They are talking about a New World Order, yes it will be a new one but they will not have an inch of existence in it .

  • Harold Olsen

    Hey, the day’s not over yet. I know a group of people who, when the world was supposed to end, I think it was May of last year, held an end of the world party. I wonder if they are doing it again this time. It would surprise me.

    • Joz

      It was supposed to happen 6:12 a.m.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      Men who think they know the will of God and His time are idiot’s who don’t believe in Him at their own risk, stupid and dumb.

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        Remember Jesus: You will see signs, Nations against nations, Wars, Husbands against wives/ Wives against husbands, Children against parents and so on, but the tine is not yet.but he gave you a hint- No one will know the time, day hour, but take note “Every one will have to know about the scriptures before that time comes. Any one says different, is the devils’ angel,but the tine is still near because we are seeing some of those signs. the magic word -LOVE not HATE and REPENT.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    DO ALL OF Y’ALL KNOW HOW FOOLISH Y’ALL LOOK IN THE EYES OF ATHEISTS?

    IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THE SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN “god” ALLEGEDLY SAID HE IS A [sic], “jealous god and want none before him.” SO, ALLOWING ANOTHER PAGAN CULT TO TELL YOU WHEN THE “WORLD WILL END” IS A “SLAP-IN-THE-FACE,” TO YOUR, “King of Kings and Lord of Lords.”

    • http://Personalliberty.com Dina

      Can you not sense the jest in this conversation? He was being fecicious. The bible says No man knows the hour or the day and the bible also says God is not a man that He should lie. I hope you will try more to discredit His word because you may just come away a believer.

      • God Fearing

        and it also says that God will NOT be mocked, His vengeance is righteous and His judgment is swift. Those who do not believe need not be so quick to judge Christians if they fail to understand what they really are talking about.

      • Chris

        Epicurus on God and Evil

        “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
        Then he is not omnipotent.
        Is he able, but not willing?
        Then he is malevolent.
        Is he both able and willing?
        Then whence cometh evil?
        Is he neither able nor willing?
        Then why call him God?”

      • Robert Smith

        And when his kid comes back this world is goona end.

        What kind of a god kills a world just because he can?

        Rob

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Dina,”

        AS LONG AS, I AM AN INNOCENT FOOL, I DO NOT MIND BEING A FOOL.

        BUT, REPUTABLE NEWS ANCHORS – LIKE, Brian Williams [NBC News] – HAVE DISCUSSED THIS TOPIC. MY PRIDE WOULD NOT ALLOW ME TO PUBLICALLY DISCUSS SOMETHING SO UTTERLY CHILDISH, THAT IT IS BEYOND REASONABLE COMPREHENSION.

        ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THE WORLD WILL END – BASED ON A PROPHECY – IS PARANOID ABOUT THE PARA-NORMAL.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Robert Smith,”

        THAT IS A STRANGE DEFINITION FOR COMPASSION THAT THEY HAVE ISN’T IT?

      • Kate8

        You people who love to mock God… You don’t understand because you are trying to figure Him out using your intellect, and that is impossible, no matter how learned you are.

        One day you will know how foolish you are. All things of this Earth pass away. Only the spirit goes on. The mistake we make is in believing that form is real, and spirit is illusion, when the opposite is true. Those who are wholly of intellect will likewise pass away, as the mind is part of form. Satan is the lie of form, that it has any power of its own.

        God is present in all of Creation. It is up to us whether we will acknowledge Him and allow His Love to guide us, or mock Him and pretend we are anything in and of ourselves.

        That is free will, folks. “Greater is He Who is in me than he who is in the world.” He allows us to mock Him, to not believe He exists. But it is to our own detriment, because to deny Him is to deny our true Self…that which is eternal.

        He who is without soul is an empty shell.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        LEARNED PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO WROTE The Bible – AN HISTORIC PIECE OF LITERATURE.

        THE SAD PART IS THESE LEARNED PEOPLE WERE SO INSECURE IN THEIR INTELLECT THAT VANITY “TOOK-OVER;” AND, THEY BECAME OBSESSED WITH A NEED FOR ANSWERS TO ALL THINGS – EVEN, THE INCOMPREHENSIBLE.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        God on man and evil:

        “Is man willing to prevent evil, but not able?
        Then he is not omnipotent.

        Is man able, but not willing?
        Then he is malevolent.

        Is man both able and willing?
        Then whence cometh evil?

        Is man neither able nor willing?
        Then why call man God?”

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Strange, isn’t it Kate, how on the one hand, man denies the existence of God, while on the other, they accredit Him with all the ills and woes they, themselves, orchestrated! Man seems never willing to consider his sole contribution to his own demise…and yet, God is merciful!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        CAH: THE SAD PART IS THESE LEARNED PEOPLE WERE SO INSECURE IN THEIR INTELLECT THAT VANITY “TOOK-OVER;” AND, THEY BECAME OBSESSED WITH A
        NEED FOR ANSWERS TO ALL THINGS – EVEN, THE INCOMPREHENSIBLE.

        You mean, like today’s learned people? Who are so evil, that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worship and serve created things rather than the Creator–?

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        Hi Chris and Dina,
        Sift the passage. The Bible was written in parables. Sift that passage out and you will find the meaning. God can’t change his word to suit you, a sinner. He give you a free will and mind to choose “Right/wrong”.If you choose the wrong way he can’t help you. He didn’t held your mind a prisoner to control you. He give you a free will to choose. If you know about the holy book, you will see every time he goes to heal someone he first asked them if they “Believe”. If they don’t he can’t heal them. That is because he give them the free will to choose. I couldn’t say more here, but I advise you to read the good book some more. The Bible is not the only book that says so, the Muslim Koran, tells you about this and some passage in the Indian holy book says that too. Everyone of them can’t lie.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Walter & Renee Agard,”

        IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR THE LAST SENTENCE IN YOUR COMMENTARY, I WOULD NOT HAVE REPLIED.

        BUDDHISM, CHRISTIANITY, ISLAM, ETC., ALL SHARE SIMILAR PASSAGES IN THEIR DOCTRINE BECAUSE PROPAGANDISTS UNDERSTAND ALL HUMANS SHARE BASIC BIOLOGICAL TRAITS – LIKE, THE BIO-PSYCHOLOGICAL ABILITY TO ADHERE TO PERSUASIVE IDEOLOGY. THEREFORE, THESE PASSAGES ARE NEEDED IN ALL DOCTRINES IN ORDER TO SPREAD A GLOBAL MESSAGE – “Some Supreme being created the Universe – not, you.”

        THIS GLOBAL SPREAD OF BIOLOGICALLY-GENERATED “PSYCHO-BABBLE” IS THE FOUNDATIONAL REASON WHY WE HAVE COMMUNISM, FASCISM AND SOCIALISM. [Why do you think people make comparisons between The Bible and "Mein Kampf?" The Answer - boths books are powerful because they are a tangible illustration of the mind's ability to be easily persuaded by others' values].

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “What kind of a god kills a world just because he can?”

        Good Question. Tell us what you did with the world YOU created when last you slept and dreamed.

      • Vicki

        Walter & Renee Agard says:
        “God can’t change his word to suit you, a sinner. He give you a free will and mind to choose “Right/wrong”.”

        Well spoken. God gave us free will. The freedom to choose. To follow the path that God sees as best for us. Or not. But the unbeliever might reasonably say “If God is omniscient (all knowing) how can your will be free since God already knows everything including your choice.

        That is not what it means to be all knowing.

        God is all knowing and thus knows EVERY possible choice you CAN make. You must still choose.

      • http://Personalliberty.com Dina

        The bible also says that every word was inspired by God. Yes a man did put the pin to paper, however by divine inspiration. ( and it says that too) The bible also is the living word of God. (that’s in there too) The God of the bible is the only true living God. We are finite therefore explaining someone infinite is kind of lhard to do. All the other so called “gods” are imitators. Tomorrow if you are able please check out lifechurch.tv – there are live services at 8:30, 10 and 11:30 am. You would be welcomed.

      • Karolyn

        Dina – Scribes and interpreters are fallible; therefore, true meaning via the written words is hard to prove.

    • Johnc

      Actually I knew all along it would not end on December 21st because Jesus has not returned yet and the prophesy plainly states that the world would end when he returns. The world is currently governed by Satan and will end when the World that is governed by God. Not until the time Jesus returns will the end come. it is not specific but the signs of his coming are known and it is written for those who can see, read and understand the Bible. Atheist can say there is no God, but ask them to prove this they can not. Man is so limited in his knowledge that they can not say with certainty he does not exist. I guess they hope he does not. My faith tells me he exists and that it is by faith alone That I must trust this

      • God Fearing

        AMEN. As I stated below, Jesus stated that we will not know the time or day when it will happen. He will come to take His Bride home with HIm to rest with the Trinity for ever and ever. I do believe He is coming soon, but again I cannot tell you when. The times are showing distress, the fracture has already begun. The world is falling apart and we choose to NOT to turn to God. We hide our faces in our own disbelief when God is mercifully extending His hands to give us that assurance and comfort – forgiveness and righteousness. He forgives our sins and washes us clean and white as snow. You are right, the athiests say there is no God, but how can they say that 100% for sure? They still cannot come up with a finite solution of the existence of God. Only the Bible does. The HIstory and prophesy in the Bible has clearly demonstrated that there is a God and ONLY one God. Fear Him, Know Him, Love Him, Cling to Him. He loves you. Know Jesus before that time does come. This is so detrimental to your soul, where you go after you die. Do you want to spend an eternity away from God where He says He knows you not. A place where there is gnashing of teeth and utter pain and suffering. OR would you want to spend an eternity with God, in the warmth of His love, in a kingdom where there are Godly riches laid before our feet (no, not gold and money – you can’t take that with you). But our works, what we have done on this earth in His name will be our reward in Heaven.

      • Chris

        John c says…….

        Atheist can say there is no God, but ask them to prove this they can not.

        I think it is easier for me to prove the non-existence of some being that is not here than it is for you to prove the existence of some being that is not here.

      • Chuck S

        Jesus could return any time, but I think he would be sure not to return at a time connected with a pagan prophesy, like Dec 21.

      • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

        In case you were all looking ahead too far , the world as we know it ended , Nov. 10,, 2012. , believe it or not

      • Alan

        Then have at it Chris! Go ahead and prove we God-lovin’ Christians are wrong! I’d like to see that…..lol!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Alan,”

        SIMPLE PROOF – EXHUMATION OF A CORPSE.

        CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THE “spirit” SEPERATES FROM THE “PHYSICAL BODY” AT THE ONSET OF DEATH. YET, HUNDREDS OF YEARS FROM NOW, AN EXHUMED COFFIN WILL CONTAIN BONES.

        ATHEISTS WOULD SAY THE EXISTENCE OF THESE CENTURIES-OLD BONES IS PROOF OF LIFE-AND-DEATH BEING A BIOLOGICAL PROCESS WITH A CONTINUOUS CYCLE, WHOSE END IS BEYOND OUR HUMAN COMPREHENSION.

      • Karolyn

        Chris – Bones and the body have nothing to do with the spirit.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Karolyn,”

        MA’AM, THE ONLY THING I CAN TELL YOU IS NEGRO MISSIONARY BAPTISTS BELIEVE, WHEN A PERSON DIES THE ONLY THING LEFT IS A “BAG OF BONES” – AT THE ONSET OF DEATH, NEGROES BELIEVE THE “spirit” IMMEDIATELY, “goes home to be with The Lord.”

      • Alan

        Well if that’s the best argument that atheists can make, Christopher, as to the non existence of God, it’s a very weak one indeed. The fact is they can no more disprove his existence than I can prove it. Still, as sure as the invisible wind stirs the boughs of the trees and the unseen force of gravity draws the rainfall to earth, I can see his presence in every wonderous effect around me! There are simply too many complexities involved in our own existence for me to deny having been created by a divine being rather than the randomness of evolution.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Alan,”

        I WILL TRY TO BE MORE CLEAR.

        “Alan,” MAYBE, YOU HAVE ATTENDED A NEGRO FUNERAL. NEGROES “SHOUT” AT FUNERALS. THE PREACHER HAS TO TRY TO “CALM THEM DOWN” BY TELLING THEM, “THAT BODY IN THAT CASKET IS JUST BONES.”

        AS AN ATHEIST, I AM FOCUSING ON THE SCIENTIFIC NATURE OF BONES. WITHOUT EMBALMENT, BONES WOULD DECAY QUICKLY. EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE IS A LIVING ORGANISM. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN AN ASTEROID’S “TIME IS UP” IT FALLS TO EARTH AND BURSTS INTO FLAMES. LEAVES FALL FROM TREES IN AUTUMN BECAUSE COOL TEMPERATURES PREVENT THEIR ABILITY TO MAINTAIN MOISTURE AND STAY ATTACHED TO LIMBS.

        EVERY ORGANISM HAS A SCIENTIFIC “EXPIRATION DATE.” THIS PHENOMENON EXISTED LONG BEFORE Homo-Sapiens – THE INVENTORS OF ALPHABETS AND WRITERS OF PAGAN DOCTRINE [LIKE, CHRISTIANITY] – CAME INTO BEING ON THIS PLANET.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        John c says…….Atheist can say there is no God, but ask them to prove this they can not.

        Chris says: I think it is easier for me to prove the non-existence of some being that is not here than it is for you to prove the existence of some being that is not here.

        I think you both, have an impossible task! Proving or disproving the existence of a supernatural and invisible-being is the preferred pass-time of fools -to the devil’s delight!

      • Vicki

        Alan writes:
        ” I can see his presence in every wonderous effect around me!”.

        And you are not alone in that. When I look around me I see his works everywhere. I see it in the marvelous complexity of life. I see it in the sparkle of jewels. I see it in the patterns of waves in solid, liquid and gas. I see it in the constants of physics that all work together to make our Universe be. Even in the works of man I see the Hand of God.

        Now as to proof of existence or not let us take an example from this world around us.
        MMO. Massively Multiplayer Online game. Enter into the game and you find yourself in a world that you KNOW was created by intelligent beings. Walk up to an NPC (Non Player Character) Prove to that AI (artificial intelligence) that you exist outside of the game. Prove to that npc that there is existence “beyond the stars.

        I used to think that it could not be done. But while writing this I realized that it CAN be done. Let you and I sit in a room together. Let us both go into the game. You go to one continent. I will go to another. The world we chose has no telepathy. Chat with an NPC and have the NPC give you some information known only to that NPC. Tell them that you will pass that information to the NPC’s friend on another continent where I am.

        You then tell me. I give that information to the NPC’s friend.

        Such proofs have already been done in THIS world. Proof of God. Not exactly. Proof of a place outside of time and space as we (think) know it. Yes. The proof of God is still in the nature of the universe including the part outside of time and space as we (think) we know it.

    • God Fearing

      Watch what you say. You will not make it in the end. You think that mocking God is a solution to all your problems, then your problems extend deeper than your own mind. Your soul cries out for SOMETHING. Whether you know it or not. You search but cannot find because you do not look in the right place. It is that Still Small Voice that speaks to your heart, and in order to hear it, you must be still and quiet. Or else you will miss it completely and you will continue to wallow in your own disbelief. I dare you to read the BIble. Whether it is out of jest or not, read it. Educate yourself on God before you speak those words. Know God Know peace, No God NO peace.

      • Richard Babin

        God Fearing, well said, especially the part, “Still Small Voice that speaks to your heart, and in order to hear it, you must be still and quiet.”

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      CAH, i was under the impression that “sodomy” was your field of expertise, and not “theology”, as your idiotic statement would suggest. Word of advice: Stick it into what you know best!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “WTS/JAY,”

        IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS IS THE COMMENT YOU MADE TO ME – MONTHS AGO – WHICH CAUSED OUR “BLOW-UP.” IF YOU REMEMBER, I TOLD YOU ABOUT, “SPLITTING HAIRS.”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “WTS/JAY,”

        YOU AND I ARE “COOL.”

        [Only one Personal Libertarian has hurt me, "beyond repair." "WTS/JAY," it is NOT you. When "Alondra" presented her "psychoanalysis" of me on 29 July, that really "PISSED-ME-OFF!"]

        “WTS/JAY” – YOU ARE THE “AVERAGE-AMERICAN GUY” WHO FEARS THE “wrath of ‘god’;” I EXPECT YOU TO OPPOSE – AS, YOU SAY – “sodomy.”

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        CAH: When “Alondra” presented her “psychoanalysis” of me on 29 July, that really “PISSED-ME-OFF!”]

        Is that, the reason you insist and persist in “psycho-analyzing” religious folk? And why think yourself exempt? If you offer your “psychoanalysis” with the intent to educate, why then do you rail when someone returns the favour? Speaking of insecurities…you sir, are the walking definition!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “WTS/JAY,”

        YOU ASKED A GOOD QUESTION. SINCE THIS IS A POLITICAL SITE, I WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THIS WAY.

        I). MOST PEOPLE ON THIS SITE ARE SENIORS WHO ARE OBSESSED WITH THEIR PIETY, AT THIS TIME IN THEIR LIVES. HAVING TO DEAL WITH ATHEISTS ON THIS SITE MAY PROVIDE ONE LAST CHANCE FOR THEM TO END LIFE IN TOTAL FREEDOM; AND,
        II). AS A NEGRO, I WANT CAUCASIANS TO KNOW ALL NEGROES ARE NOT – AS, Personal Libertarians SAY – “sheeple,” WHO BLINDLY FOLLOW A DOCTRINE WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE WAS TO TEACH SLAVES ENGLISH. I AM A NEGRO WHO IS
        T-R-U-L-Y FREE; NO PAGAN ENTITY CONTROLS MY MIND.

        IF MORE NEGROES WERE ATHEIST, THEY WOULD HAVE REALIZED IN 2008 THAT THE KENYAN IS A CHARLATAN.

      • Karolyn

        Chris – Alondra’s mean-spiritedness and viciousness is enough to “piss off” anybody.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Karolyn,”

        MA’AM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

        I THINK “Alondra’s” PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAINING – AT EUROPEAN UNIVERSITIES – IS NOT SO GOOD. ACCORDING TO HER ASSESSMENT, SHE DOES NOT BELIEVE SMALL CHILDREN CAN HAVE AN INTELLECTUAL ACUMEN.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “WTS/JAY,”

      THE LEARNED PEOPLE I WAS REFERRING TO WAS THE PEOPLE WHO ESTABLISHED CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORLD. THEN, THEIR VANITY CAUSED THEM TO WRITE DOWN THEIR FANTASIES [The Bible] AND FORCIBLY SPREAD THEM TO THOSE WHO HAD NO INTEREST.

    • Gordon

      do you ever notice how stupid you athiests sound ALL THE TIME?

    • Thomas the Doubter

      This is a response to KATE8 and those of her kind.

      You people who pretend to know the mind of god and support him and defend him.
      You don’t understand because you are NOT trying to figure him out using your intellect. You are using your emotion to attempt to understand something as important as the concept of god, and that is impossible, no matter how ignorant you pretend to be.

      One day you will never know how foolish you are. All things of this earth will
      evolve into to something completely different than exists now. Your “spirit” is the superstitious belief attempting to thwart the inevitability of that change. The final hope that death is not permanent and a way for you to justify that innate understanding that you find yourself in the absurdity of that which we call life. You awake in this life to the awareness that yes you are undeniably alive, but that all that nature teaches you , all, points to the concept that the only thing that life brings that is absolute, is death.

      The absolute is, that if you are inanimate and without life, you remain, but if you are of flesh and blood, you perish. That is not really a problem for all those life forms that are not conscious of, or those that refuse to understand the consequence of life which is simply death. Only the inanimate remains! For those with a conscious understanding, its a huge problem, its the ultimate mind mess.
      In this material world the mistake we make is in believing that spirit is real and that form is the illusion, when the opposite is true. Satan is the black side of the childish belief in the dualistic reduction of this whole existence into two opposing forces; GOOD VS. EVIL. WHICH IS COMPLETE BALDERDASH, and the choice of the most simplest of minds. GOD is absent in all of Creation, what is present is the innate need to understand that, since cause and effect appear to be real, then since this world/universe appears to exist unquestionably, then there must have been/ be a creator and they must exist even though there is absolutely no evidence to show it. But yet, according to some “we must acknowledge him… or perish”, just an extension of dualistic philosophy, which might be summed up in ‘if you do, you will, if you don’t, you won’t”. Which begs the question of, if its all that simple why the need to slaughter entire nations that haven’t agreed to the most sophisticated contracts or should i say pretenses of that ideology which must be “GOD”.
      (GOD is not mocked, not because it might be, but because it can’t be: mocking is just a silly social convention of those who feel inadequate to or don’t believe murder is necessary to pay back an insult.) ( Which means that those who defend GOD by casting down the heathen, with admonitions not to mock him, are just simpletons who are trying desperately defend their untenable positions, which amounts to, “if you believe in god you’re saved, if you don’t believe in god you’re damned ….” which you morons should see is actually pretty mocking behaviour towards the very deity you pretend to revere!

      aka.If you use the extreme grandeur, the awesome variation of life on this planet as evidence of divine creation, wouldn’t it make sense that this deity would come up with a slightly more “CREATIVE” reward/ punishment structure? Maybe even a 6 level method, from holy high heaven to total black dark hell. And if 6, why not 10 or 100 or a million levels of justice?
      I think you believe, “GOD IS INFINITE”, so why not an INFINITE LEVELS OF JUSTICE REWARD AND PUNISHMENT. (Seems to me, Dante pursued this mind exercise hundreds of years ago, which was sort of a Broadway play of the day, to much success, “IN LIMITED CIRCLES”!)

      Getting back on topic, “HE ALLOWS US TO MOCK HIM…TO OUR OWN DETRIMENT” WOW! This is a loving parent?

      “Hey Junior! Here’s a gun with no instruction, no guidance, limited rules, now go out and play, but don’t come crying to me if you shoot your eye out, and if you kill somebody with it, you’re on your own!”

      HE WHO IS WITHOUT SHELL IS AN EMPTY SOUL! Sounds like the NRA is more in charge.

      • Karolyn

        I believe in God as Universal Intelligence, which has no need to punish nor be jealous nor have any other feelings. I do not understand how anybody could refute evidence of there being something other than this body and this material world. Quantum physics puts that to rest. And there is evidence of reincarnation and out of body experience. How else can you explain somebody for all intents and purposes being dead and when “brought back” can relay info on everything that went on while they were dead, even to what was going on outside the room?

        • Thomas the Doubter

          “How else can you explain somebody for all intents and purposes being dead and when “brought back” can relay info on everything that went on while they were dead, even to what was going on outside the room?”

          A rather simple answer might be found out by questioning what it means to be dead or dying. Some people thought when the heart beat ceases, the body is dead. Others falsely assumed just because the body appears to have stop breathing, the person must be dead. ( Unfortunately there have been coffins opened, with evidence the person had actually been buried alive even though someone had thought they dead.)
          Now they say a person is dead when brain function ceases. But the problem with that is that depending on the circumstance, the brain will shut down in stages. So a person can still for all intent and purpose appear, even to a medical practitioner, as being very dead.
          As the person’s brain in certain areas may still be functioning, they might be still recording
          all events within hearing range. The person is unconscious, but material is recorded by the brain. For what ever reason the person regains consciousness and the brain releases the recorded information. Its a pretty spectacular event, humans like to embellish, ( you even included “(knowledge of ) what was going on outside the room”, but thats not details, that’s good story telling…. maybe the unconscious individual, was party to a discussion about what was happening outside the room, which was going on at the same time….”they just brought a Miss So and So in with a broken right arm its severe, she was in a car accident on 23rd and Bay St., her husband didn’t make it “… the unconscious mind takes it all in and is able to recite very thing it heard and because the mind is so good at making things up, it even provided pictures as if the person where floating right into the next room with a “camera eye view”.

      • Karolyn

        For some reason, when I post, I can’t see everything I’m typing, so I am continuing with a new post. There is plenty of evidence of reincarnation online. How do you explain a little boy knowing how a pilot went down in WWII and knowing so much about his life? http://www.reversespins.com/proofofreincarnation.html I have a friend who regressed her son through past lives, and she’s no liar or charlatan but one of the most honest people I know.

  • Warrior

    I’ve noticed the “atheist” now have their own little “cult fiction” going on. Appears as if, those who believe in nothing have not been getting the attention they think they deserve. Poor souls. Oops.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jandeenphoto Jan Eric Deen

      I humbly beg those bloggers who have a significant voice and following to do a little in depth research before reducing cosmic events to non science or pseudo religious apocalyptic cynicism. There are better ways of stroking the ego if you are into that than putting out false info, refuting it, then snidely laughing at your own jokes which only Red Skeleton and Milton Berle succeeded in getting away with. . .

      • Warrior

        Maybe they’e just looking for their 501c3 designation?

  • Deerinwater

    Well, even with writing on paper, ~ there is only some much information you can get on a single sheet. ~ Chisel and stone has serious limitation.

  • Corkey

    Buy oceanfront property in Denver and Phoenix

    http://vimeo.com/m/50194481

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

    They did not miss the fact that we got major problems ….the end of what we use to have as far as a Unlimited View of Prosperity if we wanted to pursue it is a real fact , so that can be considered a end to one kind of era .
    The Tax code and Trade Policies need to promote Innovation in Food Supply Expansion as the center piece around the Fiscal Cliff Negotiations .
    There needs to be a major debate about the future of food security . Please listen to the video at 1:45 , this is whats driving the global economic collapse in the private sector financial markets lack of desire to hold long term paper causing the Federal Reserve and Government to Monetize debt , this needs to be understood as to whats driving these times . The focus on what we can do to innovate our way forward needs to be the debate regarding Food Supply expansion .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tF2yHjfj32I

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

      The reason above regarding food shortages is why Durable goods have fallen off in supply demand is going to lead to Currency wars between trade partners that will create volatility in the Supply of Vital parts supply to expand food related supply with at a time when we cannot risk the chance of creating a food famine in the world . Where the economies of the USA and Europe have become import driven GDP growth dependent , if you consider the Baltic Dry Index Signals Renewed Market Collapse …. whats the Dow Jones Really valuing ? The Leaders need to bring this issue to the People in the world societies so that critical thinking about Family planning , Life and Liberty can be the focus around a solution that brings a stable solution . There will be no peace until this food supply issue is resolved .

      http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/standstill-the-charts-that-prove-the-global-economy-is-in-serious-trouble_12122012

      Thanks for your leadership and I hope you can generate a debate around this food security issue to find a path towards peace through a stable supply solution for this time in world history .
      Merry X-max .

    • Karolyn

      There is unlimited prosperity available to everyone on earth. There is enough for everyone. However, unfortunately, too many want everyone else’s share too.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – I can’t believe it, but I acually agree with you on this. The world was created to be abundant, and a self-generating eco-system. We have the ability to produce as much food as everyone can consume, but we have had greedy, self-serving powerbrokers controlling everything, and causing war and famine to serve their own ends.

        As for money… When you think of the hundreds of trillions of dollars held by a handful of psychopaths… That is enough for every person on Earth to live well.

        It’s time to topple the banksters and the governments which serve them. It’s a brand new age… It’s time to put the OldWorldOrder away for good. And that includes the NewOld one.

      • Karolyn

        We do agree on more than you might think, Kate.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Karolyn, your statement surprises me as well. Regardless, agree!!!

      • Vicki

        Karolyn says:
        “There is unlimited prosperity available to everyone on earth. There is enough for everyone. However, unfortunately, too many want everyone else’s share too.”

        And they use the power of government to try and get it. This is why government agents have to be especially honorable. Alas too many appear not to be.

  • http://mozilla robert e. lee

    STILL GOT 100 YEARS TO GO;;; 12/21/2112;; there is the 21 factor at 100%

    • Corkey

      Dang….but don’t forget 13/13/2013

      Signed,

      US Grant

  • TIME

    Dera Mr. Livingston,

    As I have now posted how many times, the Mayan Long Count calendar ended in October 2011, based on sound reaserch by many “REAL Scoholar’s” ~ not the deranged fools from the “New Age Spritual Movment,” AKA, the NEO NAZI’S, study them and learn what they are, then all of you will understand what I just posted, where you want to start is the “Thule Society” the “Fabian Society.” These special people have been useing the world population for a long TIME now, Oh ~ yes the “GREEN MOVMENT” is also among this pack of wacko’s as well many others.

    There are many real “Celestrial” factor’s ~ but they are not going to unfold in full for at least two ~ or three years, Will these end the world, NO. Damage it YES,

    BUT ~ I again say that what looms large at this time is the Marxist that sits at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, W DC.

    Every person in the whole world should fear this freak of nature and the people of this nation should stand up to and stop it before he destroys you.
    Again he is a figure head for what is below the surface, the “CRIMINALS” who do rule over you, The Rothchilds, Rockefellers etc. these people are PURE EVIL.

    Peace and Love Merry, Christmas Shalom

    • Deerinwater

      Oh give it a rest Time. Tomato, to’mato. ~ Everything is coming to an end. Who really believes otherwise? We are not getting out of this world alive , much less with all our toys.

      Obama will finish his term and much like Lincoln, or Reagan or Clinton ,history will be kind by most historians, while a few will write him down as the Devil incarnated and do everything possible to rewrite history to their own liking.

      The Sun will continue to rise and set and the Oceans tide rise and fall.

      Life is good! Enjoy it while it’s here.

      Here comes Santa Claus and just in the Nick of time!

      I guess you heard about Randolph the brown nose reindeer?

      He was ever bit and quick as Rudolph but stopping was a bit of a challenge.

      • TIME

        Dear deer,

        As one would expect from you your ominipresent “Comprehension” Skills ~ of what are at best { Marginal } but in fact for more on the level of { NON existent }
        This observation based soley on your never ending diatribe from the Zombie culture that your dewell within.

        Barry Omen will go down in history as the person who drove the last nail in the coffin of what was once a great nation. { He will be remembered as a rapacious monster by all,}.
        His form of “HYPOCRISY” has destroyed the “TRUE LIBERAL” class.

        But you are welcome to think otherwise.

      • eddie47d

        Are you deliberately trying to prove Deerinwater right,Time! LOL!

  • dan

    …everybody loves a good disaster ….it makes great television/box-office. Even if you’re caught up as a victim , you might be awarded your moment of fame. Theatre of the mind.

  • vietnamvet1971

    GOD is still in Control and NO Man is in Control of any thing.

  • ToughGuy1

    Bunkin Mayans. Their time was up. But, nobody is going take away my weapon from me. They’ll have to pry it from my cold dead hands!

  • http://davidsfloors.com Granpa David

    Damn! Now I’ve got to go Christmas shopping Monday.

    • gman

      ha ha! Now this guy is a last minute shopper.

  • Toy

    Don’t forget the Julian/Gregorian calendar thing: We’re all doomed in 10 days time!

  • God Fearing

    uuuh, it was the 21st yesterday somewhere in the world, where was the destruction and utter chaos in other countries yesterday? NOWHERE. Jesus said that we will not know the day or time of His coming back, NOR the apocalypse. Although things are being set in motion for this to happen, it hasn’t happened yet. I’m ready to go, no luggage needed. Anytime Jesus.

    • independent thinker

      IF the Mayans had actualy predicted the end of the owrld on 12-21-2012 it would have refered to 12-21-12 in Mexico and Central America. However they did NOT predict the end of the world but rather noted the end of the age and the start of a new age. As I stated above based on what little I have learned about the Mayans they probably would expect unsetled times with trials, tribulations, and social upheaval but would expect things to straigthen out fairly quickly as the new age or era progressed.

  • Dave Kanz

    Dave Kanz
    I guess when people start believing in God and wha His written words says about the end time maybe then they will stop following these foolish things such as the Mayan Calendar. God will decide when this worlld which He created will come to an end. Just trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior then all these dumb things wont capture your beliefs.

    • Robert Smith

      “Just trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior then all these dumb things wont capture your beliefs.”

      Do you mean like the entire world being flooded and everyone killed except Noah and his family?

      Do you mean like a couple of cities smashed and Lott and his kids made it out?

      Do you mean like a virgin birth? BTW, I put that one in the same league as the belle who got knocked up by a Civil War bullet.

      Do you mean like a single trumpeter bringing down the walls of a city?

      Do you mean like Pat Robertson believing in evolution? Oops, that one is true. sorry…

      Rob

      • Alan

        You truly are ignorant Robert! Tell me, why are so many atheists such bitter people? Could it be that deep down inside they fear that they might just be wrong?

      • Vicki

        Robert speaks as one who was taught to believe but when God did not live up to Robert’s expectations, rather than looking within to find out what he (Robert) did not comprehend, he turned away from God.

      • Thomas the Doubter

        this is a reply to Alan

        “You truly are ignorant Robert! Tell me, why are so many atheists such bitter people? Could it be that deep down inside they fear that they might just be wrong?”

        Actually Alan i think i can answer your first question.
        For the most part the bitterness comes with living with a huge population of fairly intelligent people who cling to superstitious beliefs to the detriment of the rest of the world. (Sorta like the kid in third grade who knows more math and english than the 6th grade teacher, yet has to sit through the compartmentalized structure that is public education. No one gets left behind… even if the retards are making everyone else do remedial whatever, and the smart ones are getting dumber by the minute, or just bored to tears ).
        Frustration comes from living with people who not only practise their “holier than thou” philosophy, but managed to have gained pretty serious positions of power in this world, who in their blind superstitious ( sometimes not so blinded) power positions, have quite frankly retarded the progress of humanity, the intellect of the masses, and disrupted the general welfare of millions. Not to mention the mass killings, the theft of their initiates, the establishment in many parts of the world of a perpetual state of war, and the general interruption of the simple state of will being, by a group, that while strong in the heart of their belief, has very little proof of their convictions, and a perpetual compulsion to remind the rest of the world that “red rover, red rover, if we the unbeliever don’t come over, we’re all going to hell”. It just gets a little tiresome, living with a bunch of simpletons!
        And as to your second question, the angst is not in the “fear that they, the atheist, is wrong”, its in the understanding that convincing the superstitious of the error of their ways is, how shall i put it, “HARDER THAN A RICH MAN GETTING INTO HEAVEN”

      • Vicki

        Thomas the Doubter says:
        “Actually Alan i think i can answer your first question.
        For the most part the bitterness comes with living with a huge population of fairly intelligent people who cling to superstitious beliefs to the detriment of the rest of the world.”

        Our belief in what you claim to be an illusion is far less “to the detriment ” of others then the belief of some in AGW.

        -Thomas the Doubter: “(Sorta like the kid in third grade who knows more math and english than the 6th grade teacher, yet has to sit through the compartmentalized structure that is public education. No one gets left behind… even if the retards are making everyone else do remedial whatever, and the smart ones are getting dumber by the minute, or just bored to tears ).”

        Been there. Done that. I chose to be constructive and tutor those who were having trouble instead of blaming them for my ability. Btw what is your position on public schools?
        .
        -Thomas the Doubter: “Frustration comes from living with people who not only practise their “holier than thou” philosophy, but managed to have gained pretty serious positions of power in this world, who in their blind superstitious ( sometimes not so blinded) power positions, have quite frankly retarded the progress of humanity, the intellect of the masses, and disrupted the general welfare of millions.”

        The only way to do what you claim is thru the power of government. Which, amusingly enough is why a bunch of the very people who believe in God removed themselves from one such group and created the Constitution of the United States. Not as dumb as you claim.

        Unfortunately we do not have access to an alternate timeline to see what level of invention would exist if there were no one who banded together in churches to embark upon the search for knowledge.
        -
        -
        http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/law/learning.shtml
        _______________________________________________________________
        “Returning to the question of a person’s development of his or her spiritual personality, we must note that in working on his “I,” man must develop those capabilities of his soul – mind, heart and will – correctly and in a Christian way.

        Man’s mind develops most rapidly of the three, primarily through the study of the sciences, and through education. It is not correct to think that Christianity considers the so-called “worldly” sciences or education as unnecessary (or even harmful). The whole history of the Church in the ancient centuries speaks against this erroneous view. It is sufficient just to look at the three great teachers and hierarchs, Saints Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian and John Chrysostom. They were among the most highly educated people of their time, having learned well, the purely worldly science of their era.”
        ________________________________________________________________

        Side note. You do not have to be a Christian nor a believer to do things in a Christian way.

        -Thomas the Doubter: “Not to mention the mass killings, the theft of their initiates, the establishment in many parts of the world of a perpetual state of war, and the general interruption of the simple state of will being, by a group, that while strong in the heart of their belief, has very little proof of their convictions,…”

        Done by men (mis)using the power of GOVERNMENT.

        Which is why a bunch of very smart RELIGIOUS folk created the Constitution of the United States to specifically LIMIT what power government could have. And to remind people of the dangers of GOVERNMENT, they included in that document “… the RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE infringed”.

        -Thomas the Doubter: “….and a perpetual compulsion to remind the rest of the world that “red rover, red rover, if we the unbeliever don’t come over, we’re all going to hell”.”

        Are you not thanking YOUR Creator that the group you imply believes in persuasion rather than force of government. That they created a country where you, the unbeliever could choose to stay there, be what may, rather then cutting off your head should you refuse to “come over”?

        -Thomas the Doubter: “It just gets a little tiresome, living with a bunch of simpletons!”

        Who are allowed to vote and thus corrupt good SMALL government with politicians. The cream of the simpleton crop (It depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is).
        No disagreement with you there.

        -Thomas the Doubter: “And as to your second question, the angst is not in the “fear that they, the atheist, is wrong”, its in the understanding that convincing the superstitious of the error of their ways is, how shall i put it, “HARDER THAN A RICH MAN GETTING INTO HEAVEN”

        And you choose to live in a country (presumes you live in the USA) that tries really hard to let you believe as you will AND “That it harm none, lets thou do as thou wilt.” Oh dear. That came from a religious group too.

        • Thomas the Doubter

          Vicki

          ‘Our belief in what you claim to be an illusion is far less “to the detriment ” of others then the belief of some in AGW.”

          Assuming you are referring to a one world government,(AGW?)
          What does it matter, if it is a corrupt secularism or a fanatical religious
          singularity (christianity) they both achieve the same end, the slavery
          of both mind and body. But i have read the history books, and understand how Christianity ruled the world, it wasn’t pretty. I see the fanaticism of the muslim religion and its no better( when these two power hungry groups finally get at each other …. you know)
          ( how does a religious person justify the killing of a person because they do not believe what the “saved” person does? Its an irrationalbelief and behaviour… you can’t argue with superstition and the only way a religion survives is eventually by FORCE)

          “I chose to be constructive and tutor those…”
          Mine was a poor example… i support public education and in theory, the idea no one should be left behind… but when bureaucrats use public education as an EXPERIMENT it rarely ever works and usually ends badly…. but on the other side i don’t support religious private schools…because it forms the basis of
          “get them while they are young and job done”

          “only way to do what you claim is thru the power of government”
          have you not noticed that the corruption of government is
          collusively aided, if not actually affected by religious philosophy?

          “very people who believe in God removed themselves from one such group”

          and created the foundation of the best secular government ever…
          which has lost its way, because they have forgotten to continue to “REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM ONE SUCH GROUP”….ps WHY DID THEY HAVE TO CREATE THE CONSTITUTION? FROM WHO WERE THEY REBELLING WHEN THEY DID SO?

          ISNT IT INHERENT THAT “ALL MEN ARE EQUAL”? ALWAYS WERE, ALWAYS WILL BE!

          GOD NOR GOVERNMENT GRANTS THIS! JUST BECAUSE A COUPLE OF REBELS
          SAT DOWN AND WROTE IT OUT DOESN”T MAKE IT RATIFIED, IT JUST CONFIRMS IT AND SHOWS THOSE WHOSE HEADS HAVE BEEN BOWED BY CORRUPT GOVERNMENT AND CORRUPT RELIGION (allies in the slaughter), THAT LIFE IS NOT WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE CLAIMS IT TO BE!

          “….we do not have access to an alternate timeline to see what…”

          No and as long as people concentrate on religious ideological concepts and dogma, we never will….
          Christianity can be seen to have not only retarded the progress of science and health, its worst sin is it attempted to retard the progress of thinking. ( while it might be seen in recent years to pretend to have changed this concept, its still working from an ALL OR NOTHING POINT OF VIEW)

          “capabilities of his soul”

          this bothers me like nothing else…. most people who claim to be religious, misuse the word “soul”

          IF YOU ARE A CHRISTEN OR FOLLOWER OF THE PERSON CALLED CHRIST, you must know that the word soul comes from the old testament and refers to the LIFE in a living creator, not a spirit appendage that is attached like a shadow, READ YOUR BIBLE, learn Hebrew and studied what it actually says, quite relying on the dogma of a church, or a sect or an spinoff….

          Genesis 2 7 ….. formed of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
          AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL

          it doesn’t say man was GIVEN a soul, it says man was made a soul!

          Even in some modern usage people used it correctly…. “How many souls were lost at sea? ”

          (what? the sea is an evil corruptor of souls and they are vanquished if they die at sea? NO THEY HAVE DEAD THEY LOST THEIR SOULS THEIR LIVES!

          ‘You do not have to be a Christian nor a believer to….’

          That is true! Christianity doesn’t have first dibbs on gracious humanity!

          “Done by men (mis)using the power of GOVERNMENT.”

          ……driven by either their religious upbringing, or philosophy or by their hatred of some opposing philosophy usually religious in nature.

          ” the group you imply believes in persuasion rather than force of government. ”

          all things being equal, the “government IS the people”, even in the worst form of totalitarian dictatorship, the people have no one to blame but themselves, but your concept of GOD is simply an extension of your superstitious nature…. and is in no way persuasive at all, and your use of pretending to be ( not necessary you personally) GOD’s agent and bringing condemnation upon those that don’t think the way you do, actually makes me pity you for your blindness, ( the concept that “the GOD”, would choose one group of people over another makes as much sense, as me saying red roses are the only flower worth looking at, all others should be wiped from the face of the earth…. are you kidding me?… and don’t give me that christian nonsense, that if the true believers won’t believe then take the show on the road to the HEATHEN; THE WHORE OF THE WORLD, CATHOLICISM tried that and butchered, stole and plundered all around the world, and made a pretty penny doing it, and a lot of enemies.

          “that tries really hard to let you believe as you will ”

          MAJOR MAJOR MISTAKE IN THIS THINKING…THERE IS NOTHING ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH THAT PREVENTS ME FROM THINKING AS I WILL. GOVERNMENTS WILL COME AND GO, BUT NONE WILL PREVENT A PERSON FROM MAKING UP THEIR OWN MIND… WHICH LEADS DIRECTLY TO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WHILE I COMPLETELY UTTER DISAGREE WITH RELIGIOUS THINKING IN ALMOST ALL FORMS, I WOULD FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO DEFEND SOMEONE ELSES ABILITY TO THINK AS THEY CHOOSE, BUT WOULD RISE UP AND CUT OFF THEIR HEADS (your words) THOSE WHO WOULD COMPEL ME TO THINK THEIR WAY!

  • TML

    “I guess the Mayans were wrong. Or maybe they were right and we’re still on the verge of the apocalypse.”

    They way I’ve always understood it is the Mayan’s only predicted a precise alignment with the galactic equator that only occurs some 25,000 years or so. They worshipped the stars as their gods, and watched them so closely that they were able to geometrically and mathematically calculate the cycles in which the heavens moved in order to determine that alignment. I believe I first heard it said that the alignment of the milky way galaxy with the earth would be in such a way that it would appear to sit on the earth like a crown, and at the winter solstice the sun would rise to be centered in the dark rift of the milky way (a dark spot created by interstellar dust clouds – the ‘birth canal’ of the great mother goddess) which was to symbolize the birth of the new god, of the new age. People are funny.

  • hanbo

    I like what “Time”says.The real danger to us is the Kenyan born,Islamic-demonic monster usurper in the whitehouse.He is a tyrant and tool of what is known as the New World Order.Looks to me like 21dec end of the world was just another distraction.It is time to prep!

  • http://www.facebook.com/Jim128 Jim Miller

    It was not the Mayans that came up with the doomsday scenario. The Mayans and many of the ancients saw the alignment as the beginning of a new, hopefully better civilization. The way things are going, I hope they were correct.

    • Karolyn

      I don’t’ have the specifics but a South American leader, possibly Chilean, just gave a speech about much te same thing at the UN. I am hoping for the same thing. Unfortunately, it will be hard for those who want peace and love to counter those who harbor hatred and greed.

      • Vicki

        It’s not hard at all. Provided you are a moral people and remember that you must have the power (firearms) to discourage predators who might mistake you for their prey.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      There is a “new-system” coming that will replace the “old”, Mr. Miller. But first, there will be serious “Tribulations”! You see, the present system is built on faulty-foundation(s), and will not “stand”!

  • ibcamn

    Most preppers are just like you and me!they arn’t some wierd cult living in a bunker or waiting for aliens to take them away(not saying there isn’t)the ones iv’e met are just doing what they think is the propper way to live!if they want to spend their entire lives preparing for the end,let em!if some want to be ready by buying some essentials,let em!problem seems to be you have some folks that dont want to beleive that anything is gonna happen(whenever that time may be) and they want you to be the same!they want you to be like them.and that, i think, justefies them not being prepared!they see those people as we see them,differant.some people are just scared of differant!.put religion aside and look at it them as just plain people and you see it!when you put beleifs into the equation,thats when crap will hit the fan and people start to argue about all the little things that happen when the topic is demise of the human race,or some of the human race which ever way you see the end!.me myself,i think the world will end when the sun dies out(goes supernova)millions of years from now!but,what happens between now and then is a whole differant ball of wax!nobody knows!but you should be ready for anything!and any and all skills you learn for survival or everyday living,should be passed down through the generations,adding along as the family grows.thats how it use to be with families,but somewhere along the way it was lost but now it is popping back up in some families around the world,its making a comeback,and they are called preppers!

    • nc

      ibcamn, it is not the adult preppers wasting their lives that bothers me! It is the fact that they are wasting the lives of their children that bothers me! Forcing the children to forego a normal childhood to live out the fantasies of the paranoid parents digging holes in the desert, shooting at imaginary neighbors stealing their food and distrusting everyone when they can be playing ball, swimming ,etc .etc. with children in the neighborhood!
      They make the kids use their weekends seeing how fast they can abandon their homes and rush to a bus in the desert so the adults can strut around like Rambo with their guns and bandoliers! [expletive deleted]

      • Vicki

        nc says:
        “ibcamn, it is not the adult preppers wasting their lives that bothers me! It is the fact that they are wasting the lives of their children that bothers me!”

        Doesn’t it just suck having to give freedom to those you think are wasting the lives of their children. Interestingly that is what THEY say about you.

        -nc: “Forcing the children to forego a normal childhood to live out the fantasies of the paranoid parents digging holes in the desert, shooting at imaginary neighbors..”

        as opposed to your forcing them to raise their childeren YOUR way. To be good little slaves.

        -nc: “..stealing their food”

        Libelous claim and not even the decency to offer evidence. Likely you tossed that in to try and make people distrust preppers.

        -nc: “… and distrusting everyone when they can be playing ball, swimming ,etc .etc. with children in the neighborhood!”

        considering your apparent desire to force them to do things YOUR way I can see where they might wisely distrust YOU.

        -nc: “They make the kids use their weekends seeing how fast they can abandon their homes and rush to a bus in the desert so the adults can strut around like Rambo with their guns and bandoliers! Whooppee [expletive deleted]

        Ignoring the obvious argument to ridicule, doesn’t it just suck that you can’t FORCE them to raise their children YOUR way.

        Freedom is a harsh mistress. Reality even more so.

  • JimH

    I was hoping the Mayans would get me out of Christmas shopping. Now I have to scramble.
    So far I have survived dozens of “the end of the worlds” and am looking forward to going through many more.
    Have a Merry Christmas, everyone.
    See you at the next end of the world.

  • William

    What the date 12/21/2012 signifies is the end of the Age of Piscies and the beginning of the Age of Aquarius. The end of days profecy is mentioned nowhere by the cultures that ended their calanders on this date and if it should come down to this then so be it! :)

  • Hedgehog

    I don’t think the Mayans missed it by much! Obama was re-elected on the 6th of November, so that’s a miss of about 6 weeks. Not bad considering the distance in time they were shooting from! They missed a nice quick heart or brain shot, but managed a gut shot. So the world has up to four years of suffering and agony before it passes and something new and better emerges. One request to the next group of prognosticators, next time use a sniper rifle with a good temporally adjustable sight instead of a short spear and atlatl to take your shot! It’s not the end of the world that hurts, it’s being tormented to death by a whack job like O’dogma.

    • eddie47d

      I’m glad you live in Canada we have enough screwballs around here!

  • Larry Fan

    The Mayans had the year correct, but they were off by a month, the end of the USA as we know it started on November 6th 2012.

  • Kristine B

    No I would say the Mayan’s got it right. It was the Church that got it WRONG! The Catholic Church and it’s priest that destroyed their writing and advanced knowledge that the Mayans had. They also had killed the Mayan priests that were also holders of that knowledge. Didn’t the Church do this very same thing in the Middle Ages?

    • macgyver1948

      Kristine B… It wasn’t the first time with the Mayans the Church either destroyed or re-wrote the truth. Look to the Church’s predecessors as the Church came into being and then forward in history. The Roman Emperor Constantine, for example, if history has merit for you.

      • Vicki

        With a bit of study she might also come to notice that it was not religion that did all these things. It was GOVERNMENT. Typically Theocracies or Oligarchies. That is why a bunch of church going, people got together and created a government with a few explicit powers. They even added some amendments to try and curb the general nature of some of the explicit powers.

        • macgyver1948

          Vickie… Last night I watched a Sean Connery movie where he was a 13th century monk investigator for the Church. I wish I could remember the name because it was a good movie. Now I know this was just a movie but so much of it was based on real history. It was about how much power the Church had then and how much they gave to their Inquisitors thorough their Inquisitions. I feel good about saying total power over life and death is what they had. No real evidence was required, just how they wanted the outcome of the “trial” to be. The Church was a totalitarian Government just as they were in their former life as the Roman Empire. As you say “GOVERNMENT. Typically Theocracies or Oligarchies”. This totalitarian form of Government continued until real law grew enough to remove the evil sides of the Church(s) and that still took a long time if we let ourselves remember the witch burnings in this country by our Religious leaders.

          Enough of that for now but it is all relevant to our times today. You then say “They even added some amendments to try and curb the general nature of some of the explicit powers”. This is totally necessary and the Founders knew it was necessary. They didn’t want any one religion (not even Christianity) or denomination to be dominate, even their Christianity. The Founders know not only their current events but also history. They knew there was a definite need for Freedom Of Religion in our Constitution and they talked about adding “Separation Of Church And State” to the Constitution but didn’t and I feel, considering what is still going on, that is a big mistake. We need to get it added very soon.

          There are very valid reasons why the Founders did not make this a Christian country even though most of them were Christian. Which religion, or denomination, with dominate in government if they did? History shows this so well. There are just to many Jihads in history, by any entity in so many languages, to allow them to strive here. The Crusades were huge examples of the Churches Jihad and I bet many of the Founders knew that too. Faith has to be left up to each individual and not decided for them or dominated over if we do not become what is wanted of us by those in power. Even the Mayans were either destroyed or absorbed by conquerors, those who weren’t destroyed by disease.

      • Vicki

        macgyver1948writes:
        “The Crusades were huge examples of the Churches Jihad and I bet many of the Founders knew that too.”

        More likely the founders were annoyed at the combination of church and state in England. They likely knew quite well that the Crusades was in response to Muslim aggression. Since at the time both groups had government tightly intertwined with a specific religion it has often clouded the issues.
        http://www.christian-community.org/library/crusades.html

        • macgyver1948

          Vickie… Many of the Founders did indicate they were into history but I think you are right in that they were more affected by King James’ religious direction for all. The Founders wanted to avoid that here.

          The Crusades were partly about Muslim aggression but also the Church felt they deserved to own the Real Estate. The Church never did legally or morally own the Holy Land but that never stopped a power structure from feeling they do. I have read many Muslims still today talk about the brutal western invaders in the Crusades and they use that to justify their current Jihad. As you say many “groups had government tightly intertwined with a specific religion it has often clouded the issues”.

          You might think we would have learned that by now here in the US. The only way it seems to prevent that is by granting Freedom Of Religion with “Separation Of Church And State” as a main Constitutional guide in this. Other wise if I were in control I could force circumcision and 7th Day Sabbaths as God wants on all as my religion teaches. Where would it end? I chose those as examples because I am Jewish but I would not put up with people telling me how wrong I am just because I cannot accept Jesus and because of that I am second class or less. Nor would I push my beliefs on anyone but I would stand up for those who would choose Jesus or Allah. That is the should-be American way, accepting the rights of others the same as you want for yourself.

      • Vicki

        macgyver1948 writes:
        “It (a movie) was about how much power the Church had then and how much they gave to their Inquisitors thorough their Inquisitions.”

        The Church had power thru government. Thus you see that government remains the problem. Unfettered it corrupts all that it touches.

        “Conclusions

        Again we reiterate that the abuses and unjust punishments that took place during the Inquisitions were absolutely wrong. The abuses that took place during those days were cruel and unjust not because they were Catholic, but because they were medieval. ”
        http://www.protestanterrors.com/inquisitions.htm

        • macgyver1948

          Vickie… I didn’t mean to imply the abuses were done because they were Catholic. They are so wrong just because they are wrong no matter by whom. I have this theory those abuses would have continued longer if law hadn’t evolved enough. Now we have to worry about some laws but we very much need law. I see a need for Israel to control the occupied territories, for defense and more so for Israeli survival, but I have seen some abuses on the part of the occupiers there. The Protestant examples you link are just part of history and they add to the list of injustices. More reasons, and examples, for the need for “Separation Of Church And State”.

          The Government does remain the problem, as you stated, and they will as long as they allow it. We have to stop them because no one else will.

      • Vicki

        macgyver1948 says:
        “Vickie… I didn’t mean to imply the abuses were done because they were Catholic. They are so wrong just because they are wrong no matter by whom.”

        You may not have meant to but re reading all of your comments you spent a LOT of time focusing on religion (mostly focusing on a subset of the Christian Religion) rather than people (mis)using power in the name of some of their religious beliefs.

        • macgyver1948

          Vickie… I didn’t mean to put religion itself down but we were talking about them. I respect all religions but I question methods and intentions. I agree with you in that absolute power can corrupt absolutely, no matter who is doing it. The put downs were really focusing on the corruptions/evils/actions but you could be right about how I worded them.

  • Bimbam

    NO, the Mayans did not miss it. What people don’t understand is most of the prophecies are correct BUT THEY GET THE TIMING OFF!

    It will happen but not on the day you think of. The Bible say no man knows the hour or the day, that is RESERVED exclusively to God Himself. (The year is not mentioned. The true Christians know the year and they are telling).

    So, to reiterate the Mayans are CORRECT but not for now.

  • Maryland Free Stater

    Ray Kurzweil recently said that the networking of the human race will commence by mid-century. I believe this may be the “666″ moment since the ramifications of networking human beings are staggering.

    Thank God that I shall probably be mouldering in the grave by then but I fear for my children and their children.

    Merry Christmas, Happy New Year or for those of other faiths, have a happy day!

  • macgyver1948

    Thanks Bob, very interesting as usual. It is considered the Mayan Calendar began its referencing around the starting-point equivalent to August 11, 3114 BCE in the proleptic Gregorian calendar. It takes a lot of research and a lot of time, perhaps a multi-generational efforts without computers. Around the time the Mayans concluded their known calender they were also busy fighting disease and trying to keep from being conquered. How did that work out for them?

    Maybe they were just to busy to get a new calendar cycle going properly and many people look to the dark side of the unknown all to often. It was twice this year alone a Protestant Minister said we will be done on specific dates sharing “his own research” from his bible and it has been suggested so many times in the last 2000 years in their respective times by others. I am glad I didn’t sell my stocks or buy a Ron Hubbard under ground shelter. Was that just business or Scientology? Are we really still here since they all are always so sure? LOL. We will never know until we know.

  • CAROL

    Could “we” and not the “Mayans” be a little off on the date???……….. I don’t think they had “Leap Year” 5000 years ago……..

  • james mclean

    Who knows, the Mayans may be right on with the meaning their concept of time and now we are in a new era. You are on your own.I for one do not believe in all the predictions based on someones interption of writings made in the long ago.

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