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How Can Anyone Be A Birther?

May 25, 2012 by  

How Can Anyone Be A Birther?
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According to the White House, this is Barack Obama's "official" birth certificate.

“Birther” is a term the mainstream media have put on those who question whether President Barack Obama was born in the United States and is, therefore, eligible to hold the office of President. The MSM mean it as a derisive term. After all, no higher authority than Snopes.com has validated Obama’s citizenship.

So how can anyone believe Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii?

It certainly can’t be because Obama’s paternal step-grandmother once made the claim that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya, and that she was present at the birth.

It certainly can’t be because a Kenyan newspaper, the Sunday Standard, published an article in 2004 with the headline “Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate.”

It certainly can’t be because The Nigerian Observer published an article in November 2008 about how Kenyan-born Senator Barack Obama was the favorite to win the U.S. Presidential race.

It certainly can’t be because there are a number of other articles that say he is Kenya-born.

It certainly can’t be because an investigation by the Kenyan National Security Intelligence Service into claims Obama might be Kenyan-born determined relevant documents had been removed or were missing.

It certainly can’t be because the State of Hawaii has refused all requests — including multiple attempts from Maricopa County (Ariz.) Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s cold case posse — to release an original long-form birth certificate.

It certainly can’t be because of the many flaws found in the “official” birth certificate released by the White House last April.

It certainly can’t be because, if Obama himself is to be believed, his father’s Kenyan and British citizenship denies “natural-born” status and precludes Obama from serving.

It certainly can’t be because the Kenyan ambassador said it’s well-known that Obama was born in Kenya.

It certainly can’t be because Michelle Obama once called Kenya Obama’s “home country.”

It certainly can’t be because Arpaio’s investigative team has discovered that official records of inbound U.S. flights from the week of Obama’s supposed birth are missing from the National Archives.

It certainly can’t be because, as Breitbart.com released last week, Obama’s authorized biography from his literary agent in 1991 said Obama was born in Kenya, and that the biography remained that way through subsequent reprintings into 2007.

It certainly can’t be that he’s using a Social Security number issued from the State of Connecticut in either 1976 or 1977 even though he has never claimed to reside there and held his first job at a Hawaii Baskin-Robbins. This is one of a number — as many as 16 by some counts — of Social Security numbers that can be linked to Obama and his aliases.

And it certainly can’t have anything to do with the fact that Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett bowed to political pressure and changed his tune on Obama’s eligibility even before he had opened the email from Hawaii because he “was confident it contained the information he asked for.”

This birther nonsense is silly. No rational, thinking person could ever doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii.

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  • DaveH

    Oh boy, the Liberals are going to hit the fan on this one.

    • revnowwhilewecan

      They’ll blame Bush even tho there has been no difference in political agendas for the POTUS since JFK. Any minor difference in policy was purposely placed to perpetuate the illusion of “change”. #wallstreet #followthemoney #federalreserve

      • cawmun cents

        Careful there revnowwhilewecan,
        Dropping the B-bomb first is a posting faux pas.
        You’ve taken away one of the only arguments a progressive liberal has now.
        Quick someone mention racism,and we have effectively killed half of any argument they will post!
        B-bomb=25%of any liberal argument concerning Obama.
        Race Card=40%of any liberal argument concerning Obama.
        Effectively,65%of any argument they can post has been vetoed.
        Now as posted in another article here,we learn that they have taken the word”lunatic”out of the language of the Federal gubment.
        That takes away the other 35% of any other argument they have,considering that is the charge they will levy against anyone whi dares question Obama regarding any subject.
        Now 100% of any progressive liberal argument has been taken away.
        If they cant use the word lunatic,blame Bush,or drop a race card,then they really cant produce any logical argument to this post.
        Looking forward to not hearing a thing from any of them.
        But first let me say this to all you progressive liberals out there.
        Try THINkING (before) you speak.
        Now I am certain there will be silence from the left.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • eddie47d

        The State of Arizona is officially over the birther question and those State officials have deemed Obama a legitimate citizen as reported 3 days ago. Joe Arpaio will continue his vendetta because the Feds have him in their sights so that is nothing more than tit for tat. No one wants to be the loser so those who insist he is not a citizen will ratchet up their fury.

      • FreedomFighter

        Eddie,

        At best it shows our Kenyan born imposter a total liar, flim-flam man. He is either a Liar about being birth qualified to be president or spent half his life cheating the system calling himself a Kenyan…

        either way Obama is a liar, cheat and thief and unqualified to be leader of America

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Allan

        The problem Obama has with his location of birth (either lying now or lying in his past) reminds me of the story of the liberal Sunday school teacher explaining to her class of 4-6 year olds how Isreal’s crossing of the red sea was not a miracle, in that it was “really just the reed sea which was very shallow”, hence easy to cross to which one bright youngster responded “Praise God for the miracle”. In exasperation the teacher asked him what he meant?, to which he reponded “Why for drowning all of pharoah’s army in only a couple feet of water!

        The truth will set your free!

      • Kate8

        Here ya go, eddie. This one’s for you.

        Enjoy.

        http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2181/429/Obamas_World_Has_Collapsed_Today..html

      • Karolyn

        So, Kate, what does that article by “The King of Shambhala” have to do with anything eddie said?

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – You mean Geir Smith?

        Specifically, nothing. It’s for you, too, and any other blind Obama supporter.

        It’s a sentiment that many of us share, and something we see coming.

        Stay tuned.

      • http://naver samurai

        Really Ed and Karolyn? I see the 5th column is out in full force today.

        http://www.kleinonline.wnd.com/2012/05/19/look-who-else-confused-about-obamas-birthplace-u-s-government-questioned-citizenship-when-president-was-5/

        It seems you 2 need to educated yourselves on this subject. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, sorry I’m late for this party…but…you go girl! :)

        This reminds me so much of the old gosple song “Joshua Fit the Battle of Jericho”…

        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down (I said tum, they come tumblin’ down)
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down (They come tumblin’ down)
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down (Way down to the ground)
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down

        • joseph foster

          Please pay special attention to my comments;
          Obama was elected by one word ‘CHANGE’ the people became excited by that word since they are fed up of the same failed policy that is destroying America and destroying the middle class. When he got elected they saw no change they then decided to take away his majority in the Senate and the congress. When they heard some comments from Paul about change big money and special interest group destroyed him. Special interest group wants Obama to win they supported Romney he does not stand a chance, Obama has begun to destroy him by a Video regarding the steel plant, where after extracting all the money he fired all of the employees and declared the company Bankrupt. When JFK was about to make major change in America he was assiniated
          I do not support Obama or Romney they are all the same.Take a look around the country and see the destruction of America our major Industrial cities have been reduced to poverty. My recent journey was by car from DFW to Florida on each night stop I never saw a Motel full high vacancy, because the people are scared to spend money on vacation, they no longer feel secure in their jobs. My friend lost his 100K job those high salary and now history; he is having a hard time finding a job at $35K. Met a guy in Mississippi he told me he was earning $80K lost his job because his salary is too high, he has been unemployed for over eight months. My book tells it all no news media will want me to open my mouth, because I will never stop talking. I was motivated to write my book because I was mad as hell.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • TIME

      Hi Dave,

      The “OMEN” has been shown to us, as well saddly the “OMEN” will complete his task as his masters have set forth for him to do.
      Saddly the only ones that still have not quite gotten this, are the totaly brain dead.

      Peace and Love

      • http://verizon.net budman

        Time: Can’t agree because I see cracks in support for Obama from the New World Order group (Soros and other wealthy elite) and as I predicted, the Democrats are beginning to push Hillary Clinton into the equation as they see this also.
        I think the electoral votes will come out in favor of the Republicans and since Obama is losing ground with voters, he will likely lose the popular vote as well.. The key states will be Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. I think he has already lost Florida (down nine points in the polls) and if they win Ohio or Pennsylvania, Obama is definitely gone.
        In response to Doug Rodrigues: Hawaii doesn’t have a long form birth certificate for Obama. An election official checked this during his campaign for the Presidency and discovered there was no record of his birth in Hawaii and now his records are sealed there. The official was told to butt out by his supervisor.This is understandable and how can they claim he was born there when he was registered as a Foreign Exchange Student in college?

    • Larry

      No reason for the liberals to be upset. It IS a little hard to grasp that with all the resources the gop can muster they still can’t get their ‘facts’ validated. There is no imaginable reason I would want a group of such incompetents in total charge.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Larry, first strap your ass in and buckel up. Second shut up and just sit there because come November you will have to bow to the Tea Party elects. 3rd go ahead and give all your 2nd Amendment rights to Billary so when Martial Law is called by your sore losing King you will be the first to crumble with no way to protect yourself from your blood sucking buddies. Good Luch Libturd!!

      • CJ

        I predict Larry will ignore these inconvenient facts:
        Obama’s father was never a US citizen.
        The Supreme Court has ruled that a “natural born citizen” must have parents that are US citizens.
        Therefore Obama is unqualified for the office of president, it does not even matter where he was born.

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

        Please change your name , you are a insult to all larry,s . Its morons like
        you that have inabled this complete fraud.

      • carrobin

        Gee, I sure would accept a bunch of Kenyan “facts” and a Breitbart article to convince me that the president isn’t an American. If I were stupid.

      • http://naver samurai

        You are already walking down the road of stupid carrobin. Why don’t you look at this and have your obviously little lib mind awakened. The video takes about an hour, but it is very inative.

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-born-kenya/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Sam Skousen

      Dave, they should hit the fan, but they will stick their head in the sand and ignore it, especially with main stream media compliance. In fact I think through the disparagement heaped on those doing this investigation, most law enforcment officials and politicians will ignore this too for fear of offending the typical American who believes what they are told. It would take a major campaign in non traditional media to impact American opion and get Congress to impeach and indict Obama and those involved in the cover-up. We had a Canadian serve as President in the past, who did what Obama has done to cover his origins and had the same passive support from Congrss and the press as Obama received.

      • DaveH

        Because the inclination of Leaders, no matter which party, is to stick together and feather their own nests at the expense of the rest of us. And that will continue until the heavily Propagandized Sheeple wake up and figure it out.

    • http://gravatar.com/madgorilla madgorilla

      Good! Maybe it will chop them all up into sushi.

    • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

      The liberals will not even read this , they are incapable of reason. They believe
      what they want, the facts offend them. I do not waist my time trying to debate
      anything with these pathetic people.

      • Kate8

        Larry – You are so right. It’s almost comical how the liberals just cling to their mantras, regardless of the evidence piling up. Talk about blinders.

        They just aren’t interested in any stinkin’ facts.

      • JON

        Who cares what you & Kate-Ate think anyway. It can’t be a lot being you two are completely small minded. Just because you say it doesn’t make it so.
        GO OBAMA GO !!!!
        FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
        FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
        FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
        FOUR MORE YEARS!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Ahhhhh such word play to insult others and steal their rights, eh Jon (Kang)? How are you going to vote, since we both know you live outside the U.S. , never had the nads to serve, and are a communist in your radically leftward beliefs?

        http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Christie-Obama-preening-bysander/2012/05/12/id/4397397s=al&promo_code=EF88-1

        Look at this and be awakened to the truth. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Montana

      Sheriff Joe Arpaio (the least shortman in AZ) and Ken Bennett should either put up or shut-up (or is he Alfalfa from the Little Rascals).

      Its It is not incumbent upon you, the Birthers/Teabaggers to produce the facts that you believe, but can’t prove!

      Lets be clear none of these Birther dullards have taken there “Birther Documents of facts, more like lies” and won a case in the “U.S. Courts”, maybe in their simple minds (if they have any) but not in our “U.S. Courts”, so unless Birthers/ Teabaggers, whatever you want to be called, win a court case, we will continue to see as dullards, liars or racist or maybe all three. Deal with that baby!

      And enjoy voting for the Mitt, the first “Republican Anchor Baby”! Too Funny

      • Ken

        One things FO SHO! you AIN’T from MONTANA!

      • Sharon Jeanguenat

        And, you are a blind follower of satan. Whether he was born in Hawaii or not, he STILL is not legally able to be president, since his father wasn’t an American citizen. The Constitution forbids anyone NOT born to TWO American citizens is NOT legally a natural born citizen, & cannot be president. The evidence is there, just you liberals are too dumb to believe anything the main stream media doesn’t tell you to believe. Hope you ALL have a good time, when this nation is bankrupt, & Muslims are running things. No more ‘free’ ANYTHING, no more homosexuals allowed, same sex marriage won’t even be up for discussion, (the Koran tells them they must KILL homosexuals), no more women’s lib, they’ll have to wear burqas or be beheaded, no more abortions, etc. Of course, you may enjoy being a slave. Also, with the UN agenda 21, you will no longer be allowed to ‘own’ anything, not your home, not a vehicle, not even the food in your house will be yours. The UN will have the right to tell you where you can & can’t live, & if it’s on land that was claimed by Native Americans, you can bet you will be moving somewhere else, even to a FEMA interment camp. Good luck, & don’t go crying to conservatives about it either. And, you won’t be able to blame Bush! And, one more thing, the Supreme Court also said that to be a natural born citizen, BOTH parents have to be American citizens. Obama’s father was a Kenyan & a British citizen.

      • http://personalliberty.com Montana Tim

        Montana, please stop posting as you make all Montanas look like Moron’s! I don’t know anyone from Montana that would agree with your sorry post! Yes I am Montana born and breed and damned proud of it

      • David

        That is because the courts refuse to hear the case. It has been brought to the courts by multiple parties, and they refuse to look at it. If they did actually look at it, it might put it to rest.

        • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

          The courts are a part of the cover up. All three branchs of the Us Gov are
          nothing more than puppet slaves for the wealthy they do as they are told.
          I personally give up for I know the powers that be will never admit they
          (placed) an illigitimate candidate in office. America has been scammed, I
          I also dont waist my time arguing with these hopeless brain dead liberals.

      • Jibbs

        It’s so easy for the Indoctrinator’s to brainwash the kid’s or people who don’t think for themselves, way too easy!
        Just watch this short 24 min. video!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK8VJApGJzo&feature=related

      • JUKEBOX

        Part of the truth is in black and white on the phony birth certificate. His father is listed as “AFRICAN-AMERICAN”, whichis a term that was first used in 1978, so this document was prepared after that date.

      • revnowwhilewecan

        Liberal response to factual article….ad-hominems……..My shocked face 0-o

      • Karolyn

        Jukebox – That’s not true. See how things get started? On the certificate his father is listed as “African.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/jrgunter92 Jack Gunter Sr.

        People keep saying it takes both parents to have citizenship to be considered natural-born, however the courts, including the SCOTUS, have ruled many times that this is not the case. Read this and try to be civil:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong Jack! Just look up Minor vs. Happersett 1875. In it is clearly stated that both parents must be citizens of the country the child is born in to be natural born. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Chuck conly

        The Obamacrats have blocked any attempt to get his false birth into court, Why, if they are so sure he is legit? I guess for the same reason they have destroyed and blocked all of his records they could find. How about: ” Where there is smoke, there is fire” ?

    • dg

      To everyone out there..it appears a lot of confusion surrounds the issue of birth or parents. Look since 1871 there has not been a real election of a President of The United States of America. There has been elections for the President of The United States (the corporation) See the difference? So the issue will never come before the Supreme Court. Even if it did they would not hear it because it does not deal with the “Organic” real Constitution. Many years of a lie does not change the face of the lie. Those that win write history.

      We would need to close DC and start a new government. That would put 4-8 million people out of work. Do you think they will go without a fight? Even the military pay would stop if they did not fight for the DC group and overseas banks.

      Welcome to Orwell’s 1984

      • Micha

        DG- You should join the yahoo group Redemption By Method. Lots of like-minded people there. Great comment…

        • joseph foster

          I disagree as to the date, I would say perhaps since 1970 perhaps. I want the people to think that the concept of Government by the people for the people no longer exist, today it is a Government by special interest for special interest. The masses of the people are duped by propaganda. My book tells it all.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • Ken

      Hey! Where’s MOE and CURLY?! NYUCK,NYUCK,NYUCK, NYUCK, NYUCK!!!!

    • RobinM

      It does not matter “WHERE” he was born, his Father was never a citizen of the United States of America. Thus he is NOT a “natural born citizen” and cannot be the President by law. I still say he must be indicted on charges of “crimes against the Constitution” ,as well as forgery and fraud.
      Once convicted, he can be properly dealt with. Weather it is life in prison, or the death penalty. I prefer the latter.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jrgunter92 Jack Gunter Sr.

        Try to make sure you know of which you speak before you continue with erroneous and divisive remarks ;-)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

      • http://naver samurai

        Look up Minor vs. Happersett 1875 Jack. Need to quit giving false information. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Speak2Truth

      What REALLY makes the “liberals” crazy is any mention of the LAW that the US Congress wrote to define Natural Born Citizen. They erase it from the Wikipedia page on that subject every time it is posted, usually within minutes. With good reason. Obama cannot legally qualify.

      Just two years after the Constitution was ratified, the US Congress spelled out the legal conditions under which they would recognize someone as a Natural Born Citizen, specifically that person MUST be born to parents who are US Citizens.

      Why did the Founders want to exclude anyone born to foreigners? To prevent either parent from passing down foreign loyalties or ideology.

      The original law defining Natural Born Citizen status read as follows:

      “And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens” – Naturalization Act 1790

      “May” be born beyond sea only indicates possibility and includes those not born beyond sea. This was later modified to exclude those born outside US Jurisdiction by

      “and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States” – 3rd Congress, 2nd Session

      What remains is best summed up as:

      “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” – Representative John Bingham of Ohio, a principal framer of the Fourteenth Amendment

      This was most recently applied by the Democrat-controlled Senate in 2008 when confirming that candidate John McCain was legally a Natural Born Citizen and therefore eligible for the Presidency:

      “Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.” – Senate Resolution 511

      1) Born to US Citizens? Yes

      2) Born under US Jurisdiction? Yes. The Panama Canal Zone was under US Sovereignty until the Torrijos-Carter treaty of 1977 handed it back to Panama.

      The Democrat-controlled Senate KNEW that Barack Obama cannot pass the legal requirements. His Father was a British Subject, so he fails the first of the criteria. That is why the DNC provided him with lawyers to fight off anyone trying to legally establish his eligibility, an effort that began with a Democrat attorney named Philip Berg long before the 2008 election.

      Obama dangles those apparently fraudulent birth document images on the web to keep the battle focused on the place of his birth – and away from his birth to a British Subject.

      He cannot possibly meet the legal requirement for office even if he was born in Hawaii.

      THIS IS A COUP!

    • dufas magnet

      Forget the libs! .. Forget the disclaimers and the accusations!.. If Livingston is correct in his assumptions (and let’s face it, for or against, most use exaggerations to get their point across) then by al intents and purposes this should be placed into the judicial system, after all the (expletive deleted) hit the fan when one person found out that Clinton got a white house head job then it escalated all the way to perjury.. These particular accusations over-shadows that incident by hundreds of percents yet our representatives keep their head up their butts in hopes it goes away. Lies or truths?.. THAT’S the point here, not vindictiveness.. Not a secular incident brought up by haters of Obama.. I’m for Obama but I’m more for truth and the law that enforces truth.. If I can go to jail for smoking a joint (because it’s the law right or wrong) then if it’s against the law for a citizen who wasn’t born in this country to become president I want to know AND see them leave if that truth is found. By Livingston’s statements, there are several physical witnesses saying he is NOT a natural born citizen.. Make them swear in court to that effect and if their lying make them known to the entire country that their liars then slap a perjury charge on them.. but if they are telling the truth and there is proof to back it up then I see no obstacle that would prevent the immediate impeachment of Obama. But this back and forth, this hate mongering is only dividing the country and doing nothing to gather the truth.. Bring it out in the open, make the courts earn their pay.. Get the supreme court involved if need be and if our representatives are afraid or refuse to do their duty, then oust every single one of them when their day comes. I just don’t know how much plainer I put the point across.

      • joseph foster

        You make some valid argument; I sense the term American cannot be used exclusively for US citizen, since it is the name of the continent and as such all the inhabitants of North and South America are Americans, just like all of the inhabitants of all of the European countries are Europeans the name of the continent.
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

        the issue has some racial overtones. Tell them the first President of the USA George Washington was not born in the USA at birth he was classified as a British citizen, he then after declaration of Independence classified himself as an American or as a USA citizen, moreover

    • Ron Christopher

      OK, I’m a racist. I want Allen West to be the president.

    • Mark Rybeck

      Who cares about the birth certificate. I want to see the DEATH certificate!

      • J.Bettis

        100000000000000 Thumbs up for that post.

      • Steve

        I agree 1000% death certiafic and his head on a plater

      • http://yahoo marla

        I want to see the death certificate also!! muchmuch more than the birth cert.

    • nc

      DAVEh, you don’t understand how we liberals think! We’re not angry! We say with all of that birther stuff flying around and he STILL made the Oval Office proves we have backed one SMART DUDE!! Where is the Mr. Mises representative? In the White House? I don’t think so!! Where is the truest conservative you know? In the White House??? I don’t think so!! Way to go, Big O!!! Allah be praised!!!

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts larry

        They have taken over the house , next will be the senate, and the presidency
        if the election is legitimate. Praise be to GOD!

      • http://naver samurai

        “Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”

        Ronald Reagan

        This describes NC (no cajones) and every other member of the 5th column on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • LCalhoun

      Let me say this….. I have to be making $250,000.00 yr. to be a good Republican. No I don’t believe in SAME SEX/GAY MARRAGE, or ABORTIONS. But I know a LIER when I see ONE. Is (((PRESIDENT))) OBAMA perfect,,,, No. But he is the BETTER CHOICE for the country. He has done more in 3yrs then what any other President could do. The (REPTILES/republican’s) AkA-Snakes put up lies. You & anyone else will see the FACT from the LIES. The (reptiles)/Racists ALL WHITE PARTY. If this party is for GOD… Where is all the other Blacks/Brown/Red/Yellow-People at? If you look at all the other (Polls) The President is leading over Mitt? Sooooo, if you making [[[ Less then $250,000.00 yr. Why are you a REP. and if you are making more then $250K. Why are you not PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE OF THE TAXES ]]]. This needs to stop… We all come from somwhere, Some was taken from their COUNTRY by FORCE, other’s wher killed and CHACE OUT OF MEXICO Ooooop’s Texas, NewMexico, Nevada, California, Utah,ect… What about the job [ Creator's ] most our RICH form Slave LABOR. This country have’s BLOOD on its HANDS. Hay take your time. You can’t stop the (Brown-Flood) this was from a RACISIES-WHITE-REPTILE/repbulicans. So make sure this PAGE have all it’s INFOMATION RIGHT. YES you will have more PEOPLE of color in office running for OFFICES. I hope it’s another person who understands my needs & love Christ, Trust in the TRUTH, and want to give ALL-Americans a fair SHARE in making MONEY. Please keep this from my e-mail. DEMOCRAT’s may not be all that perfict, but I’ll take the better hand of the STICK. I pray you get it right…… YOUR TIME IS ALMOST UP. (((((P.S.))))) President KING [ OBAMA ] will WIN again. You want to know why????? Mitt & your PARTY keep making him LOOK GOOD. Thank you sooooooo much. Real people now the TRUTH.

  • revnowwhilewecan

    If he kept even 10% of the promised “change” that he won election on, I wouldn’t care if he were born on Neptune. The establishment had a hardy laugh we they got him in office on which was probably nothing more than an inside joke gone viral at a late night Bilderburg cocktail/Lucifer worshiping/child sacrificing party. #treasonous #Orwellian #NWO

    • cawmun cents

      HAW!-CC.

    • TIME

      Dear Rev,
      Oh but the “OMEN” has done well over 10% of his change so he kept his word, its just a total BUSH revisit so its hard for many to see the change.
      Afterall the “OMEN” Was told to us and yet there was no real choice, so when the people vote for the lesser of TWO Evils time after time we get what we asked for, “PURE EVIL”.

      We just keep looking the wrong way when we all should be looking at the FLAT TIRE that happened way back in the1860′s.
      So saddly we are doomed to repete the same old worn out dance steps just one more time.

      Peace and Love,

      • Sharon Jeanguenat

        Unfortunately you are believing the lies in the liberal media. He has increased our deficit to $15 trillion, which is more than ALL presidents combined since George Washington. Plus all of our allies are becoming our enemies, turned his back on Israel, & is paying all the revolutionists to create havoc in the Middle East with TAXPAYER money, & now has even appointed an ‘assassination’ czar. Plus has signed an agreement with the UN that will take away our guns, & then Agenda 21 will take away our rights to everything we hold dear, our homes, our children, & anything else we own that someone else might need. You won’t even be allowed to live in areas where they don’t want you to live. Good luck! And, George Bush did NOT lie & take us into a fake war. CONGRESS had the SAME intelligence info the he had, & THEY agreed we needed to take Saddam out. They voted almost unanimously for it, even Ms. Witch, Pelosi, so stop blaming Bush! Obama was not responsible for the mess that he took over, but he has made it worse, not better. When he was sworn in, gas was $1.86 a gallon, & now it’s $3.60 a gallon or more in some areas. Plus unemployment has DOUBLED since his TARP plan was enacted. So tell me HOW good a job he has done! I don’t know ANYONE that is better off now than they were 4 years ago, other than those on welfare, or other government handouts. And, I do NOT consider Social Security a handout, except to those who didn’t work & pay in to it. Wake up, & check out the facts & see what’s true. Most of this current problem started back when Carter was president.

      • TIME

        Dear Sharon,

        Please forgive me but your post is rather confusing to me, as in what mass media am I even noting? As far as I can see, none. Why? I don’t waste my TIME with mass media as its 100% totaly controled. Not by Liberals but by a group of Criminals who control the world at large.

        As for the rest of your post, again I am not really sure where your going, any intel not acquired in person as in you have seen the event first hand, and or have some knoledge of it from someone whom you trust then its not worth the energy to repeat it.

        But bI thank you for your input and here are a few sights you may wish to explore for intel thats valid to a high degree.

        For any global issues with weather etc.
        Solarham.com

        For intel on whats going on in the world this sight is one of the best, the people who post for it are in most cases very smart.
        redicecreations.com

        For info on whats happeneing here in the 50 states and world wide – this sight has some flaws but for the most part are 90% Plus valid.
        Prisonplanet.com

        For intel thats {way out of the box) but the guy has many very valid points, but please again you will need to check anything posted to be 100% sure of its value.
        wellaware1.com

        This sight is also very good when, Mr. Bob Livingston post his observations as he is 98% on target with his post.

        I also would refer you to watch the following youtube feeds before you can’t anylonger.

        Season of Treason 1 – 3 this is the American Flat Tire factor, to understand this fact of TRUTH is to gain insight to whats wrong and why.

        All of William Billy Foust youtube feeds to gain even deeper insight to all of what you wil find in the above feeds. Keep in mind Billy was shot for what he was doing.

        Then to aid you on understaning even more of this puzzel this next feed will drive home much of what you will learn in the above feeds; John Taylor Gatto the ultimate history lesson.

        To add to all of these this quick read will get you started on your intel quest,
        How can a country exist in two completely differan forms

        By the TIME your done with just these you will see many differant sides to all the why’s when’s, where’s, who’s and how’s.

        Peace and Love

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear TIME,

          You write: “This sight is also very good when, Mr. Bob Livingston post his observations as he is 98% on target with his post.” Just 98%?

          Best wishes,
          Bob

    • http://gravatar.com/afc999 afc999

      rev et al…this is really THE key point of this whole discussion, and I’ll borrow words from our brother, GiveMeLiberty:

      “The mere fact he ever got on the ballot in 08 amazes me. How we allowed a gangster to obtain power at that level amazes me.”

      This truly is what should enrage us and engage our thots and efforts and email writing to “our” reps and to our fellow citizens on these boards and throughout the country and world. How the HELL_o did this p*nk (you can add the “u” or “i”…?or both…as you choose) gangsta from wherever he is, whoever his dad actually is, become the POTUS?? Because the whole frackin thing is rigged…that’s how!!

      We are living in the Matrix…our votes really don’t count as they can become anything TPTB want them to become. In just the way Ron Paul, the only true Republican running, has been screwed by the head honchos of the RepublicRats (who are no better than the mafioso leaders of the DemopliCons…in practice both have been working for the full institution of the fascist/socialist welfare/warfare police state) in the primaries simply by changing the numbers or losing them or whatever needed to be done, so elections can be now. (But don’t count RP out…he knew and knows the game was rigged against him and for the newly anointed of TPTB Romney, and he and his team figured out how to work in the rigged delegate system…just watch and see.)

      We can lambast the Obamation all we want, but that doesn’t stop those who literally PUT him into the Prezidance as Chief Puppet and pull his strings. THOSE are the ones that need to be exposed and stopped. Otherwise, it won’t matter who sits in the chief Marionette seat…he won’t belong to or care about US…WeThePeople…jt

      • Sharon Jeanguenat

        He should never have been allowed on the ballot for senator in Illinois, much less to run for president. And, you are so right about his minions not admitting they were wrong, but the Republicans are too afraid to try to impeach him, because they ‘might’ start a race war. Unfortunately, Obama has already started that, plus a class war. Also, than you for your service to this country. I know with men & women like you on the side of patriotism & freedom, this nation ain’t going down without a fight!

      • Patriot

        Let’s not let a little thing like the Constitution or the IL Constitution get in the way, rules are for suckers and losers. Have you ever wondered why many of these political crooks never go to jail! Just look at how Rham became mayor of Chicago, one of the rules was, you have to live in the state as least 1 year prior to the election. He moved and lived in DC as the Chief of Staff to Obama, rented his house to someone else and yet was able to clear that little hurtle with no problem. Our whole system is a crock of —-!

      • Kate8

        Sharon – Those in Congress on both sides of the aisle couldn’t care less about starting a race war. In fact, they’re playing for it…

        No, it’s not about that. Racial conflict is not a reason to set aside the Constitution, even if it was.

        Those weasels are interested in only one thing: themselves. They go along with the club, trying to play all sides against the middle, pandering to the biggest voting blocs.

  • Michael J.

    The eligibility issue has become bigger than one man‘s lies. Too many heads would roll should the culprit be brought to justice. A fix will not come from the top down.

    Subsequently, these nano-pinheads have set a precedent that will likely destroy us if not addressed. For some of the co-signers /co-defendants, the act was intentional, for others it was incompetence and for others still it was for fear of retribution, yet all share a degree of culpability.

    The end result for America and Americans is a complete unknown seated in the most powerful position in the world, steadfastly engaged in changing the hopes and dreams of the majority of it’s citizenry in a manner inconsistent with their wishes. Even more troubling is the fact that this foreign born, foreign allegiance usurper is in possession of our nations most vital national security secrets and is actively enabling enemy infiltrators entrance to the highest levels of
    government, covertly remolding principles and policies from the inside out.

    A silent coup perpetrated by opposing forces? Prudence dictates the handling of the situation as such. A reality not lost to those conscientious constitutionalist in a position to fix things. A burr under the saddle of the righteous majority will ultimately be resolved.

    One if by land… Two if by DC…

    • JimH

      “Two if by DC” If it didn’t hit so close to the mark, it would be funny.
      I did get a chuckle anyway. Clever.

    • MAP

      Astute observations, Michael. We are in deep, deep trouble! And the lunatic liberal dreamers are cheering it on, which shows where their loyalties(?) lie – certainly not with the country , its institutions, or its citizens.

    • Intellibronc

      Well said Michael, how so many millions have adapted to breathing sand is beyond reason.

    • Susanna in CA

      Bang on, Michael. Too many are too deep into this to come clean. Whatever fears in addressing this are out there, doing nothing has to be worse.

    • Brad J.

      I couldn’t have said it better myself. Even The Muslim Brotherhood announced recently that their plan to take down America was to do it from within, using our own laws against us. You are correct in stating that many heads would roll from the top down if the truth were exposed to the American people. And they are not going to let that happen. Anyone who comes remotely close to exposing the truth successfully is going to be preyed upon by the liberal elite vultures and dealt with severely. Even threatened, I’m sure. Look how fast Booker changed his tune. You know he was paid a visit by some lethal henchmen. That is the way this new government works. They remind me of a bunch of Chicago mafia thugs. “Do as we say, or suffer the consequences.” Where is Elliot Ness when you need him?

  • GiveMeLiberty

    Wow Mr. Livingston, now that’s how you start a brand new day….hard and fast right out of the chute! What powerful and compelling commentary. This issue continues to amaze me. The mere fact he ever got on the ballot in 08 amazes me. How we allowed a gangster to obtain power at that level amazes me.

    Now, here we are trying to right a wrong like we always do as a just people and we are trashed aside like loons. Even the rhinos avoid the issue for political reasons. The common citizen would already be in jail for purgery.

    REPLACE THE ESTABLISHMENT!

    Thanks for some spark this morning and have a great day and great weekend. Prayers of many thanks this weekend to all those who paid the ulitimate price for what used to be a free country. God Bless the USSA!

  • http://httpaol.com sean murry

    The SOB is still a fake.

    • dwayne

      Your absolutely right Sean, he is the biggest imposter this country will ever see

    • Jibbs

      I agree 100%
      A short hemp rope and a tall oak tree is all we need.

  • Doc Sarvis

    YYAAAWWWWNNNN.

    • http://naver samurai

      Yep. That’s what we all do when it comes to any one of your posts. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • joseph foster

        That sounds like some Afrcian language, perhaps you may be of the ZULU tribe. If you are a US citizen you must go to Home land security to verify that you are real.
        Tell them all this talk about the brithier issue is a load of Garbage. Have a nice day.

      • http://naver samurai

        Ahhhhh such word play to insult others and steal their rights. If you don’t think where Obama bin Laden was born and not being a natural born citizen, a requirement in the Constitution, are important, then you are not an American or a good one. Also, stop trying to sell your book on this site. Shows you are only here for your book and not the betterment of this country. Probably didn’t even have the nads to serve, like I did. Especially, since some things you have posted about our founders are wrong. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • joseph foster

          I believe you miss read my statement here is what I said about Obama the predominant of the evidence is pointing out that he was born in Kenya. The only way the issue can be resolved is for the matter to be determined by a Federal court that will have the power to subpoena witnesses and documents pertaining to the recording of his birth, hospital records, Doctors or nurses present when he was born an extensive search for the truth that will go all the way to Kenya. As to my book it has nothing to do with the Birthier issue. I condemn both political parties for their failure. My attack is on the new economic system that favors the hiring of Chinese and not Americans, and the destruction of the middle class. I am a Reagan type republican. One of the theme of my book is ‘Stand up for America’’ Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

  • Sirian

    This was known of Obummer even prior to his election in ’08. Ignored by the masses, conned by the liberal utopians, lies and deception laid by the one. Will a full realization ever come about – doubtful. Why? Obvious – MSM and a perpetual continuation of lies, misdirection, useful idiots galore. Maintain a steady flow of confusion and the truth will never be understood or known until it has become a historical point in time. That too will be “adjusted” to that which is considered “fitting”.

    • Warrior

      If you study “marxism” as a ute, it just gives one a better all round perspective of the world in which we live. Yea, Right!

      • Sirian

        Lord have we a mass of “ute’s” out there, don’t we? Universities are very proficient at turning out scores of them. It simply irritates the hell out of me Warrior that all of Bob’s points are true and backed by fact yet the useful idiots will never change.

  • kategray

    The birth certificate is a FORGERY! Same one as before and it was proven that is was not genuine.

    • Randy G

      They have proved it is a fake. but further proof is possible. Since the documents are sequencial(sp.?) wouldn’t the one before & one after be the same? & those are private citizens so the prez would not stop anyone from getting them.

  • http://yahoo tim cox

    My biggest disappointment is that the congress and senate have done nothing, they have neither challanged this or any of his tactics like excutive orders or appointments or no budget, anyone who says anything is labeled. Some saw it is to late in the administration to do anything but it is never to late for justice or to correct the history books

    • nc

      Larry, have you ever wondered why those who could do something about an imposter in the White House have not removed a person YOU believe to be an imposter? Could it possibly be that they know more about the proof necessary to do such a thing and that they don’t have that proof? Could it be that their counsel has told them that?? How do you KNOW the powers that be are hiding the truth! Who are your POWERS THAT BE that claim to know the truth?? Just you or have you been persuaded by others? You know, the old kool aid mind killer!! Are you as sure of the birther think as bush was that there were WMD in Iraq??

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts larry

        I have weighed all the evidence studied the accussed and I personally
        think the american people have had the biggest scam ran on them in the history of
        this country. I also think they will be scammed again in november for the upcoming
        election will not be legitimate. You and others can think what you want , thats
        your business. I will not resort to name calling as others do. The president
        and the majority of hi staff are nothing more than planted puppets , servants of
        the wealthy. The shadow gov as it is called. I have 0 confidence or trust in any
        of the 3 branchs of the U.S. Gov. I consider them an enemy of america its
        citizens and all she stands for.

      • http://naver samurai

        Bush, baaaaa! WMD, baaaaa! Iraq, baaaaa! I see the 5th column is showing its normal tactic of attacking the previous administration and not focusing on this one, like they should be. Well said Larry. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

    Why don.t they give this thing a rest?

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear coal miner,

      You write: “Why don.t they give this thing a rest?” Who is the “they” you’re referring to?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • TIME

        Dear Bob,

        Thanks for the SUPER blog this AM.

        Peace and Love

      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/hawaii-weve-officially-verifie...
        2 days ago … HONOLULU (The Blaze/AP) — The state of Hawaii has verified President Barack Obama’s birth records to Arizona’s elections chief.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear coal miner,

          Arizona’s SOS capitulation to political pressure proves nothing. You link is irrelevant.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • TIME

        Dear Coal,

        Note the { AP } as the noted sorce.

        Again just who owns the AP? Can we say “Goldman Sak’s,” again who owns Goldman, can we say the “Rothschilds?”

        And who is in that special 1% we all hear about all the time?
        OMG, would that be the ROTHSCHILDS, say it taint so, one of the TOP 1%er’s who hold 58% of the worlds Wealth, and 98% of the worlds mass media.
        I guess that begs the question; why would they want to control your thinking patterns?

        No matter where an AP quote comes from, the old company motto would apply.
        “Believe nothing in print.”

        But if one so wants to believe such worthless waste materials, – well I guess thats their GIG.
        Please note – You can also get just as good if not even better intel than the AP, UP, UPI, etc. from { comic’s in the Sunday paper.}
        I wrap fish in them so I know I catch really smart fish!

        Peace and Love

      • Karolyn

        TIME – You might find this article debunking the Rothschild conspiracy theory interesting.
        http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

      • TIME

        Dear Karolyn,

        The facts are Karolyn, they own 50% of the FED, 58% of all the worlds wealth as in Gold Silver, etc.. land, water rights, oil rights, gas rights, air rights,, 90% of all mass media, to include the Music biz!
        They own Israel — and we the American tax payers paid for it.
        They also own the city state of LONDON — where the poor sods of the UK paid for that.
        They own well over 70% of all banks worldwide to include the IMF.
        They own Goldman Sak’s who owns countless other companys. some of what I noted above.
        They also own 90% of the American congress, thats just the tip of the ice burg.
        I as well as many others have done far more digging into them than the noted author of the articale you posted, of what – BTW thank you I enjoyed it for its humor.

        None the less they are one of the 13 blodliness that think they are from the Gods; Amon – Ra, Seth, & Hours.
        Oddly as we still today follow all of the holidays set forth by these people we now just call them;
        Christmas, the Re – Bith of the Sun / SON,
        Easter – Nissan,
        Pass Over when the sun pass’s over the Equator..
        How odd is that again?

        There are NO conspiracies, there is only: TRUTH.

        Peace and Love

      • Brad J.

        The ones calling the shots around the world would be the oldest and richest family in the world. The Rothchilds conspiracy theory has always been an interesting subject. Shakespeare said “The world is a stage”. Yes it is, and we are the actors and actresses. Or should I say the puppets? Our lives and the way we perceive the world have been shaped over decades. A very well-written play, where the actors and actresses have come to believe over time that their roles are real. What a shame that so many have come to a point in time where they have been slowly transformed. Keep up the good work, Bob, with your excellent insights into the chaotic world that we live in. If we can’t expose Obama and his treacherous ways, then perhaps we can just vote his butt out of office in November. Hopefully, many others will wake up from their Ozombified world and follow suit.

      • Karolyn

        TIME – Although I am not a skeptical person, in seeking the truth I would rather believe someone who makes his living as a skeptic.

      • TIME

        Dear Karolyn,

        For years I was a sceptic about everything, then on March 13th 1997 what ever vestiges I had of the mental disorder of thinking that all is well was lost for ever.
        That happened on I 17 while on my way home to Flaggstaff at 7:45 PM. From that day forward my life was changed forever. My eyes opened for the first TIME.
        I still to this day have no words for what I saw, nor has there ever been any explanation that has been given that logical.
        So I now rely on what my eyes see in plain sight, as well as what I find in Doucments signed by the people of whom I speak.
        When I lived in New York I lived very near one of the high level CFR as well the TRC member who is still a good friend, – JFTR – they are very close with the “Red Shield” family.

        ALL – TRUTHS are out there if you look in the right place.
        Just as I can look in all the wrong places and come to the conclusion that the world is flat, and that people are two dimensional., but would that be TRUTH? No.

        I made my living making TONES that people spend money on, my medium has more control over emotions than most can begin to fathom – whats that, “Music,”
        Do you know that even your DNA resinates to HZ level’s. yet 99% of the world population has no clue about this either.
        So dose that mean it does not exist? No. Its simply a TRUTH known to only a few

        So one can be sceptial about everything, yet many things are TRUTH to those of us who know the facts. Just as; one can lead a horse to water, but one can’t make the horse drink the water.
        Yet a control grid has been invented that will infact make that dam horse drink the water.
        Just like Ivan Pavlov’s dog.
        So is that not a TRUTH? To some perhaps ist not, but to anyone who knows about the Control Grid, it is TRUTH.

        Thus those in the know, really do know far more than even the above average person will ever be able to get their head’s around.
        So the TRUTH is what it is and nothing will ever change that no matter how deep one incerts their head in the sand.
        Saddly Its just a simple matter of opening ones eyes to what is hidden in plain sight.

        Peace and Love

      • dovahkiin

        Dear time, I find what you extremely interesting and aim curious to what you saw that changed your mind in what others would call a bit extreme view. I tend to agree with your sentiments, although I do not know any where near what you know. the tones and Hz levels areminded me of things I read up on about haarp, but I was a dumb teenager and didn’t follow up in it much. anyway, really enjoyed your post!

      • C. Head

        The “they” are an overwhelming majority of patriotic, Constitution abiding, real AMERICANS !!

      • TIME

        Dear Do,

        I have no bloody clue what to tell you, so this is about as close as I can get.

        I saw a thing in the sky that was not a disk, it was not an airplane, it was not a hot air ballon, it was not small in any way shape or form, as a matter of fact it “blocked out the sky” for quite some time.
        It looked like a large wing, with five very clear pulsing lights – two of these went down the wings with one in the very front area.

        These lights had a pulse that went in and out like a phaser with a note, but it was not raddical in nature it was totaly controled and even in its nature.

        It made no sound, as in you could hear a pin drop, it was so large that I have no words for size, the best I can do is say it was like a {small city) in the sky.
        It moved slowly and with a vey direct route it looked as if it was following I 17 south toward Phoenix.

        I had no fear of it, nor did the others standing watching it like a group of kids watching a sports team at school. There had to have been around 40 of us who were all stoped and standing outside of our cars transfixed on this thing.

        I never have seen anything like it before nor after. I have never seen a UFO and I don’t know if this fits the profile of what we are told UFO’s look like. Again this was not a disk nor round, nor flat nor with colored strobes etc. And it was HUGE, again it blocked out the sky totaly. I have no clue who – nor where – nor what it was.
        I am only one of the many thousands of people who saw this thing.

        Oddly it never even hit me until much later about the Hail Bop and the Heavens Gate until years later. Hail Bop 3 / 23, Heaven Gate 3 /27 What I saw was 3 /13

        Peace and Love

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Why? WHY? Because Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can now run for President if a precedent is set that allows FOREIGN BORN people to occupy the presidency outside of the CONSTITUTIONAL (WTF IS THAT?) REQUIREMENTS. BTW…in case you don’t know who that is I mentioned. It is the current President of Iran.

      • Randy G

        Does anyone know it’s alright for the government to lie to the people but it is not alright for the people to lie to the government?

    • http://liberty Tony

      To Coal Miner:
      Right On!! Everyone else here, google this article. “Hawaii certifies Obama’s birth certificate to the state of Arizona”. This article disproves the nonsense that’s being spewed. Thanks!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Really Tony? Here is proof that Obama bin Laden is a Kenyan and not an American.

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-literary-agent-obama-born-in-kenya/

        Looks like the 5th column has been proven wrong again. What else is new? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • eddie47d

        Don’t be so gullible Samurai for even your article is full of holes. Who was the author of that sub-article who claims Obama was born in Kenya. Obama could have been referring to his father who was born there. Going home or coming home is often referred to by people returning to their ancestral homelands whether Kenya,Italy or any other country. It’s okay to question but that video proves nothing.

      • Karolyn

        samurai – That has already been shown to be an error by the publicist. I’m sure you don’t believe her, but I just had to point that out.

      • Intellibronc

        I’ve got oceanfront property to sell you in Kansas, you’ll love the views….

      • DaveH

        Really, Karolyn?
        Perhaps you could cite your source and convince us?

      • Dale on the left coast

        And how did they do that Tony? Did they produce the “REAL Original BC”?
        Don’t believe so . . . they produced nothing but their “Belief” . . . kind of like the Gorebull Warming scam . . .

      • Judy

        Oh Yes, I am looking at the Verification of Birth Right Now. FACT: It is a letter NOT EVEN SIGNED by the State Registrar. Some BOZO with the initials gic signed the registrar’s name to the letter. Oh yea, That’s real authentic, NOT ! The verification is nothing but a joke. Another bogus cover for the Usurper by the Dept. of Health in Hawaii.

      • Karolyn
      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        Tony

        Our Nations’ First TRUE Patriots
        Thanks to Bob Aldrich for sharing this

        “Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

        For the record, here’s a portrait of the men who pledged “our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor” for liberty many years ago.”

        Fifty-six men from each of the original 13 colonies signed the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776. Nine of the signers were immigrants, two were brothers and two were cousins. One was an orphan. The average age of a signer was 45. Benjamin Franklin was the oldest delegate at 70. The youngest was Thomas Lynch Jr. of South Carolina at 27.

        Eighteen of the signers were merchants or businessmen, 14 were farmers, and four were doctors. Twenty-two were lawyers – although William Hooper of North Carolina was “disbarred” when he spoke out against the king – and nine were judges. Stephen Hopkins had been governor of Rhode Island. Forty-two signers had served in their colonial legislatures.

        John Witherspoon of New Jersey was the only active clergyman to attend. (Indeed, he wore his pontificals to the sessions.) Almost all were Protestants. Charles Carroll of Maryland was the lone Roman Catholic.

        Seven of the signers were educated at Harvard, four at Yale, four at William & Mary, and three at Princeton. Witherspoon was the president of Princeton, and George Wythe was a professor at William & Mary. His students included Declaration scribe Thomas Jefferson.

        Seventeen signers fought in the American Revolution. Thomas Nelson was a colonel in the Second Virginia Regiment and then commanded Virginia military forces at the Battle of Yorktown. William Whipple served with the New Hampshire militia and was a commanding officer in the decisive Saratoga campaign. Oliver Wolcott led the Connecticut regiments sent for the defense of New York and commanded a brigade of militia that took part in the defeat of General Burgoyne. Caesar Rodney was a major general in the Delaware militia; John Hancock held the same rank in the Massachusetts militia.

        The British captured five signers during the war. Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, and Arthur Middleton were captured at the Battle of Charleston in 1780. George Walton was wounded and captured at the Battle of Savannah. Richard Stockton of New Jersey never recovered from his incarceration at the hands of British Loyalists. He died in 1781.

        Thomas McKean of Delaware wrote John Adams that he was “hunted like a fox by the enemy – compelled to remove my family five times in a few months.” Abraham Clark of New Jersey had two of his sons captured by the British during the war.

        Eleven signers had their homes and property destroyed. Francis Lewis’s New York home was razed and his wife taken prisoner. John Hart’s farm and mills were destroyed when the British invaded New Jersey, and he died while fleeing capture. Carter Braxton and Nelson, both of Virginia, lent large sums of their personal fortunes to support the war effort but were never repaid.

        Fifteen of the signers participated in their states’ constitutional conventions, and six – Roger Sherman, Robert Morris, Franklin, George Clymer, James Wilson, and George Reed – signed the U.S. Constitution.

        After the Revolution, 13 signers went on to become governors. Eighteen served in their state legislatures. Sixteen became state and federal judges. Seven became members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Six became U.S. senators. James Wilson and Samuel Chase became Supreme Court justices. Jefferson, Adams, and Elbridge Gerry each became vice president. Adams and Jefferson later became president.

        Five signers played major roles in the establishment of colleges and universities: Franklin and the University of Pennsylvania; Jefferson and the University of Virginia; Benjamin Rush and Dickinson College; Lewis Morris and New York University; and George Walton and the University of Georgia.

        Adams, Jefferson, and Carroll were the longest surviving signers. Adams and Jefferson both died on July 4, 1826, the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Carroll was the last signer to die in 1832 at the age of 95.

        Sources: Robert Lincoln, Lives of the Presidents of the United States, with Biographical Notices of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence (Brattleboro Typographical Company, 1839); John and Katherine Bakeless, Signers of the Declaration (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1969); Biographical Directory of the United States Congress, 1774-1989 (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1989)”.

      • AZMarc

        Karolyn, I know a few authors who have been publishing for many years and to a person they say that they read every bio the publisher puts out for any glaring errors. This bio was in use for +/-15 years. You mean to tell me that not once in that time did Obama or anyone else notice what would have been a truly “glaring error”? Regardless what the publisher has been forced to say after all this time, when you look at this it is just one more bit…speaking of bits, how about the fact that when the newest edition of the “original” BC came out it had layers. A scanned image would only have a single layer. That was why they retracted it for a while and re-released it after giving someone time to print and scan it to eliminate the layers. But it was out there, and people saved it.

    • cawmun cents

      Lyrics from the song “Eye of the Beholder”-Metallica,….and Justice For All

      “Doesnt matter what you see
      or into it what you read,

      You can do it your own way,
      if it’s done just how I say.

      Independence limited.
      Freedom of choice is made for you my friend.
      Freedom of speech is words that they will bend.

      Freedom,with their exception.”-James Hetfield

      Just look at the animus by which the student was treated by the teacher.
      Kind of says it all doesnt it.
      Personally I agree with Dr.Savage.
      Liberalism is a mental disorder.
      But we shouldnt call them”LUNATICS”,that wouldnt be PC.
      Cheers!
      -CC.

      • eddie47d

        The thing is CC that there are several here who don’t believe in “justice for all” and have stated that in many different ways. So your Metallica quote is meaningless. I’m sure the left could find as many Birthers who have a mental disorder and it it obvious the the radical right has it’s own diseased agenda.

      • Intellibronc

        There’s nothing liberal about enormous, controlling government, illiberals are the most hypocritical lot; Illiberalism is a Mental Disorder!!!

      • cawmun cents

        Then riddle me this one Batman,if those running the educational,financial.departmental,physiological,pharmacological,communicational,
        environmental,social,cultural,aspects of our government arent liberals,then:
        A.Why do you want to keep them in power?(since you are a professed liberal)
        B.What are they?
        C.Why are they throwing money around like drunken sailors?(since the term conservative would imply a different strategy for financial accumen,right?)
        Note to all readers of this post:
        I know eddie47d has no real qualifiable answer to these questions,so bare with his distorted and comically illogical retort.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • eddie47d

        Those departments exist for the soul reason that Conservatives willingly destroyed the environment over a couple hundred years and the rest of America became sick of their abuse. The same thing could be said about trying to regulate the financial problems. The powers to be on Wall Street became greedy along with the Banksters and the rest of America became sick of their behavior. Thus more and more departments were created to keep a watchful eye on the manipulators of society. Go down your “list” and insert the same reasons. and then clean up the messes that Conservatives created.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Coal Miner, is that a photo of you posted there?? Are you related to Moochelle Odrama?? You could be her twin man!! Wow such a resembalance! Do you crave a banana?? I hear she can peal one without using her hands. Is that true??

      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        Brad,

        My boy, that is your ancestor.Ha ha ha

    • Judy Chambers

      Because The Truth Matters. The Constitution Matters !!

    • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

      http://www.abiederman.com/immigration/immigrants-become-founding-fat...

      Jan 21, 2011 – Immigrants Become Founding Fathers … Immigrants were most likely to start companies in the semiconductor, communications and software.

      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        Posted by Daniel A. Bennett

        January 21, 2011

        Before 1882, anyone could move to the United States. As the population grew, however, the federal government decided to control immigration. Throughout most of the 20th century, the federal government fine-tuned its immigration policies to answer specific concerns of its citizens.

        In recent years, an increasing number of Americans have come to believe that immigrants are overwhelming the country, particularly when it comes to jobs. In all of the heated debate over foreign workers and visas, the immigration issue is often painted with one broad stroke.

        A new study, released last week, throws new information into the debate over foreign workers who arrive in the U.S. on such specialty visas.

        The report, based on telephone surveys with 2,054 companies and projections by researchers at the University of California at Berkeley and Duke University, says about 25 percent of the technology and engineering companies launched in the U.S. in the past decade had at least one foreign-born founder.

        Immigrants were most likely to start companies in the semiconductor, communications and software niches; they were least likely to enter the defense sector. California led the nation, with foreign-born entrepreneurs founding 39 percent of startups, compared to 25 percent of the state’s population. In New Jersey, 38 percent of tech startups were founded by immigrants, followed by Michigan (33 percent), Georgia (30 percent), Virginia (29 percent) and Massachusetts (29 percent).

        An introduction to the report asserted that debate over “unskilled” illegal immigrants has clouded the importance of immigration on the U.S. economy.

        “Overlooked in the debate are the hundreds of thousands of skilled immigrants who annually enter the country legally,” the report reads.

        The study, which comes nearly eight years after an influential UC-Berkeley report on the impact of foreign-born entrepreneurs, notes that, of an estimated 7,300 U.S. tech startups founded by immigrants, 26 percent have Indian founders, CEOs, presidents or head researchers. Indian immigrants founded more tech startups from 1995 to 2005 than people from the four next biggest sources — United Kingdom, China, Taiwan and Japan — combined.

        Further, Indians emerged as the dominant entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley. In AnnaLee Saxenian’s 1999 study, Chinese immigrants dominated. Saxenian, now dean of the School of Information at UC-Berkeley, was also co-author of the new study.

        Immigrants’ contributions to corporate coffers, employment and U.S. competitiveness in the global technology sector offer a counterpoint to the ongoing political and industry debate over immigration and the economy, which largely centers on unskilled, illegal workers in low-wage jobs.

        “It’s one thing if your gardener gets deported,” said the study’s lead author, Vivek Wadhwa, a Delhi-born former technology executive who immigrated from India with his family as a young man. “But if these entrepreneurs leave, we’re really denting our intellectual property creation.”

        In fact, tech industry lobbyists have already cited the study in a push to persuade Congress to increase the annual allotment of H-1B visas, which allow U.S. companies to sponsor temporary workers in specialty occupations such as computer programming and systems analysis. The companies say they cannot find enough Americans to fill jobs; other proponents contend that globalization requires U.S. companies to import talented workers.

        “This research shows that immigrants have become a significant driving force in the creation of new businesses and intellectual property in the U.S. — and that their contributions have increased over the past decade,” wrote Wadhwa.

        Saxenian said the research debunks the notion that immigrants who come to the U.S. take jobs from Americans, as the report found that immigrants — mostly from India and China — helped start hundreds of companies in the U.S., generating $52 billion in sales and employing 450,000 workers in 2005.

        “The advantage of entrepreneurs is that they’re generally creating new opportunities and new wealth that didn’t even exist before them,” Saxenian said. “Just by leaving your home country, you’re taking a risk, and that means you’re willing to take risks in business.

        “You put them in an environment that supports entrepreneurship, and this is the logical outcome.”

        Last year, the industry raised the issue in the national debate over immigration reform, but Congress ended its session without acting on the Securing Knowledge, Innovation and Leadership Act.

        The bill would increase the annual quota on the H-1B visas to 115,000 from 65,000, eliminate green-card caps for some advanced-degree holders and streamline the processing of employment-based green cards. Tech lobbyists want to revive it.

        It is unknown how many of the immigrants who founded technology companies had H-1B visas.

        The study also looked at founders of engineering and technology companies started from 1995 to 2005, and analyzed the World Intellectual Property Organization Patent Cooperation Treaty database. The researchers found that foreign-born inventors living in the U.S. without citizenship accounted for 24 percent of patent filings last year, compared with 7.3 percent in 1998.

        Without permanent citizenship, inventors are more likely to take valuable intellectual property elsewhere — and U.S. companies would have to compete with them, Wadhwa said.

        “The bottom line is: Why aren’t these people citizens?” Wadhwa said. “We’re giving away the keys to the kingdom. This is a big, big deal once you figure out what this means for us competitiveness.”

        The report concludes by suggesting that understanding the importance of skilled immigrants in the U.S. economy is essential to “maintaining U.S. competitiveness in a global economy.”

        • joseph foster

          Excellent comments, Americans forget that the USA is a land of immigrants it was founded by illegal immigrants that came to the Land today known as USA.
          I understand to day many of the Chinese Americans of high education are now returning to their ancestral home land and China is welcoming these American Chinese with open arms.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong answer Joseph. The original 13 colonies was land under the possession of the King of England, who allowed anyone to immigrate, as long as they obeyed the laws, worked, cause no trouble, and honored the king. Since we were not a country at that time, how could they be illegal? Need to cite a source other than your one sided book tha seems to be full of half truths. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • joseph foster

          You miss understand me the 13 Colonies was land conquered by illegals, the King is claiming land that he stole from the Indians, he committed an illegal act. We made it legal, not the Indians that were natives of the Land. They did not say all Europeans may come and steal their land and live on the Land. Read your history how these people fought many battles with the invaders and in the end lost.
          Since the history of mankind the Monarchy, Tyrants, Tsars etc. send their Army to conquer weaker countries. The British were the biggest robbers of other people Land they created the USA, Canada Australia, and New Zealand, they failed as to South Africa since the white settlers did not begin to kill the natives, had they done so South Africa will be a similar country like the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The white in South Africa practiced apartheid similar to the US as to Blacks in the end the white in South Africa could no longer dominate the country. World opinion went against their apartheid policy and the natives took control of the country, their first elected President was Nelson Mandela. This leader during struggle for Independence was imprisoned for 25 years by the white South African regime.
          As to the USA it was LBJ that passed the civil right act in 1964 that freed the African American from oppression.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • http://naver samurai

        ince there were nor official governments, treaties, countries, etc., in place over here, the Europeans coming here were not illegals. Many of them did try towork with the Native Americans, but many on both sides did not. Look at the French in Canada and our Midwest. They were able to become part of the people in question. They even had Native American wives, children, and learn each others language. Look at how Powhatan kept trying to take advantage of the Britsh and tried to assert his power and influence on them. Though he had united most of eastern Virgina by diplomacy and conquest, he thought he could do the same with the English. Why don’t you read up on your history as you may learn something. Also, this is a site for debate, not the selling of your book. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • joseph foster

          My friend you are painting a picture that is free from reality. When the continent was discovered Europeans conquered the land and killed the natives and seized their land, what was left were placed In Indian reservation. Those that came will not be considered by any of the Indian tribes as legal immigrant, they robbed the land. Having said that please do not confine my comments to the British and Americans.
          The process of conquest and Land robbery has been going on for thousands of years, The Arabs, The Persians, The Roman, and The Chinese the list goes on and on. Russia today is 2.5 times the size of the USA. The population of Russia is approximately 150 million it is the largest country on earth why, by conquest.
          As to my book if you love America as I do then read my book it has no comment on the Birtheir issue. My first chapter is ‘The Destruction of America. Stand up for America’ the basic theme is today we have allowed our mightiest Industry in the name of greed and cheap labor to be transferred to China. We are destroying the American middle class. Both political parties are now controlled by special interest group that has no interest in the future of America; their quest is make the money and the hell with the majority of the American people.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

      President Obama’s birth certificate – CNN.com

      http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2011/…obama.birth.certificate/index.html

      The White House released copies of President Barack Obama’s original long-form birth certificate Wednesday, seeking to put an end to persistent rumors.

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts larry

        can you spell forgery

  • Patriot II

    Havn’t seen any commnets from the One-Worldlers (Obama’s Political Party),yet this morning

    • Doc Sarvis

      Yawn!

    • Doc Sarvis
      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong again Doc. Don’t you ever get tired of walking around with egg on your face?

        http://www.westernjournalism.com//hawaii-wont-send-official-confirmation-of-obamas-birth-to-arizona/

        Another loss for the 5th column. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • cawmun cents

        At the bottom of the page you provided a link to,in tiny letters,is a place where you can read the disclaimer:
        I suggest that you read,and comprehend it,before you accept what is on the page.
        But what do I know?
        Apparently very little…..
        -Cheers!
        -CC.

      • Doc Sarvis

        cc
        Once you get past the home page of most (2/3rds in my ample sample – including AZ) state web sites you will see very similar disclaimers. It is a standard template for anyone to CYA as opposed to some hidden agenda.

      • cawmun cents

        Notice that I said,”read and comprhend BEFORE accepting”(paraphrasing)
        Obviously you neglected to do that…not surprising given your posititon on the matter.
        -CC.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Beating a dead horse. Yawn.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Beating a dead horse? Are you referring the the United States Constitution. That pesky document that the psychos in “power” use for toilet paper? That says ONLY A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN can be President? Well if screwballs like you get there way, Ahmadinejad can run for President. Well, he might have a harder time than Obombya, but what the hell?

      • Doc Sarvis

        Ahmadinejad has run for President of Iran and IS the President of Iran.

      • http://naver samurai

        I think he was talking about the U.S. Doc an not Iran. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound 5th columner. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • eddie47d

      I would say Mark is the one attacking the Constitution as irrelevant since the birther question is no more than an assumption.Mark wants to convict before the proof positive is presented. I don’t think the signers of our Constitution wanted people or even Presidents tarred and feathers before the reasonable doubt question is solved. I don’t think some of the claims against Obama are very reasonable and no more than illegitimate muckraking. .

      • Intellibronc

        Why doesn’t the imposter disclose such elementary forms? Afterall, he far more ‘intelligent’ than us minions. Let’s see his college transcripts, let’s see his immigration forms, let’s see his social security card, let’s see his selective service information. The narcissist is always in our face telling how important he is, but he can’t merely show these simple documents. I wonder why???? If you don’t, that shows your lack of intellectual integrity.

      • http://naver samurai

        Seeing is believing Ed. Speaking of the Constitution, why doesn’t he just show these things and prove that he is eligible under the Constitution? Another 5th column sheeple. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • http://naver samurai

      Didn’t you 5th columners do the same thing with Bush’s military records?

      “No one should be affraid to take on any enterprise in the name of our Savior if it is right and its purpose his urely for His holy service.”

      Christopher Columbus

      This is for his purpose to expose the COOTUS for the pretender, fraud, and liar he is. Nothing else needs to be said. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Rasta

    The far right is made up of real idiots. One just happens to be the owner of this blog!

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Did you have a nice large glass of Kool Aid this morning Rasta? Reads like you may have…

      • Tim L.

        I’m sure you had a large pot of Tea.

      • http://naver samurai

        Tea is a lot better than kool aid Tim. But alas! I guess you have to be a good little sheep, now don’t you?

        “The people in general ought to have regard to the moral characterof those whom they invest with authority either in the legislative, executive, or judicial bracnches.”

        John Witherspoon

        This is one thing that is wrong with how American liberals do things. They only want people to vote their pocket and not what really is important. Obama bin Laden has no moral character and was voted into office by idiots. These people only looked at his race and were beguiled by his lies. I hope people wake up and vote for a better person than Obama bin Laden this time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Rasta,

      Thank you for a wonderfully cogent refutation of the points made. You were, no doubt, the star of your debate team.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Sirian

        LOL!! That’s good Bob, him – debate team? LOL!!! :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        LOL! GREAT response!!!!

      • Big Woody

        Bob: I think your reply to Rasta was rude. A thank you for being a subscriber to your site should have been included. Please try to be more considerate in the future. ~BW~

      • trashman

        I think that Rasta be doin’ a little ganja!

      • http://naver samurai

        Sheesh! A less intelligent response from Big Woody. The trolls are out in force today. Thank goodness I brought extra ammo. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.
        A very well worded and truthful response Bob. One question for you Bob, what are the possibilities of Obama bin Laden being off the ballots in AZ and FL?

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear samurai,

          You write: “One question for you Bob, what are the possibilities of Obama bin Laden being off the ballots in AZ and FL?” Zero. He is Bilderberg approved.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Steve E

        Woody, If Rasta were to state anything that made sense, he might.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Big Woody,

        You write: “Bob: I think your reply to Rasta was rude.” I trust your tongue was planted firmly in your cheek as you typed.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Intellibronc

        The best method to silence a marxist; debate them!!! chirp chirp click click is all one will hear….

      • Jibbs

        Hehehe, ….Bob, HIGH FIVE!!

      • http://naver samurai

        You’re probably right Bob, but you never know what may happen between now and November 2.

        “When the people rise in masses in behalf of the Union and the liberties of their country, truly may it be said, the gates of hell shall not prevail against them.”

        Abraham Lincoln

        Since the Constitution is being cut up more and more each day by this administration, along with the vanishing of our rights, maybe we need to peacefully march on Washington. If this doesn’t work, then we march in and clean house. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Penny R. Freeman

      If you believe that why do you read it? Yes it’s been proven time and again we have a foreign born jackass as POTUS. Hope you enjoy the higher taxes next year and NO HEALTHCARE under Obamacare! Maybe you’ll be lucky and be one of the first to be denied treatment by the panel of unelected bureaucrats set to make decisions governing everyone’s care based on the expense of the care and the person’s value to this country. It’ll be nice under that garbage health care reform to get treated like a piece of manufacturing equipment won’t it?

      • alex

        keep in mind the democRATS think the world is over populated so the elderly need to die sooner thats the whole reason for the health care plan

    • http://naver samurai

      Troll alert! Troll alert! I just wonder how much you were paid for the very unintellectual response? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000577895911 Bob Moore

      A lot of folk like those conspiracy theories. The truth is not important to the far right, getting rid of Obama is.

  • dan

    dose anyone believe the founding fathers anticipated this problem and sought to prevent it with the standards that have been flaunted by the Congress…yes, I lay the blame at the feet of those who didn’t do their due diligence as well as the complicit media but how can I leave out the 51% that voted for Obozo…the lunatics are truly in charge of the asylum .

    • Third_stone

      Know that the founding fathers were illegal immigrants. Most were born overseas, and none had entered the country lawfully.
      Maybe we would prefer Romney, who sold your job to the Chinese years ago.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Third_stone,

        You write: “Know that the founding fathers were illegal immigrants. Most were born overseas, and none had entered the country lawfully.” A masterful display of misdirection couched in lies and non sequiturs. Your Alinskyite teachers would be proud.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • KuWull

        Your reply identifies your brain as your “third stone.”

      • eddie47d

        Third Stone made a well founded observation and his comment should be considered by all. Our Founding Fathers were unique and highly qualified individuals but that doesn’t change how they got here or where they came from.

      • http://naver samurai

        Care to cite a source to back up that lie? If you are American, you definately need to restudy our history. Just another paid troll. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • eddie47d

        The United States of America did not exist when our Founding Fathers arrived so actually none of these leaders were natural born citizens. Instead of calling someone names you should have known that as a history teacher.

        • joseph foster

          I said earlier in my comments all of those whites that came to the continent of America are illegals, and to some extent criminals because they invaded a country that was inhabited by American Indians the natives of the Land. They robbed the land and killed many of its inhabitants there after the British declared the stolen Land as Colonies, the white settlers Washington of English ancestry betrayed his ancestral country and declared the colony USA. He became the first President and was born a British subject since when he was born, a country namely the USA was not established.
          To add more confusion US citizen refer to themselves Americans, the term America is the name of the continent of America both North and south all inhabitants of the continent are Americans, just like all of the inhabitants of the continent of Europe are Europeans.
          The British to this day has no written constitution and its Government is functioning without a written constitution, you may say King John was forced to give the British freedom. The constitution of the USA is a myth and a farce; if you read the document as written you will remain ignorant as to its contents, you must read volume and volumes of interpretation to comprehend the meaning; those that interpret are judges appointed by politicians each political party appoints a Judge that thinks like them.
          Let’s set aside all of the controvecey as to Obama place of birth, he is beyond a shadow of doubt an American citizen, some may say he is not since he was not born in the USA,
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • MAP

        The only founder I know that was an illegal alien was Hamilton. And I shouldn’t have to recite the problems he created.

      • Charlie Tall

        Hey, third_stone, try reading the Constitution instead of running your mouth:

        Article II, Section 1, in part, reads, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President…”

        So much for your ignorance-based comment, dude.

      • kkflash

        Third Stone,
        Please explain how our founding fathers could be illegal immigrants in a country that didn’t exist when they got here!

      • Patriot II

        Third:

        Romney is a “Pruner”, He’s gonna take his Trimmers out and cut out some of the dead wood “Praise the Lord that is exactly what needs to happen. Romney is the perfect candidate!!!!

        Do you work in a govt. dept? Or Union? Here what we should do will allot of the Gov Departments, who create lots and lots of rules and regulations so they can have a job,

        Let’s take 40% of them each day, pay them to go golfing or bowling, so the rest of the 60% (whom we really need) can get some work done without tripping over the other 40% that we got out of the office to go golfing.

        OR…………maybe prune them out?

        We need some serious pruning I know you think the government job is to create Jobs, that kind of thinking IS SO WRONG!!,… so Socialistic!

        “We the People” (Not the Fed Gov’t) in order to form a more perfect union…. Recognize this? Did you learn in it school? .

      • daniel

        Third stone please you have to be kidding. Eddie47 I have given this statement of of stoned appropriate thought. However I expected better of you as you have been around here a long time.

      • http://naver samurai

        If we were not a country then, how were our founders illegal immigrants hmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Steve E

      Dan, at least we still have the Second Amendment. It was put there for that reason.

    • cawmun cents

      51%…..Which causes one to ponder……just how many of those who voted did so from the afterlife?
      The concept of dead people voting is not a new one.
      How many mentally deceased people are out there campaining for Omamba as we speak?
      The world may never know.
      -CC.

      • alex

        what? in Chicago? how dare you!

  • patriot

    Please vote him out of office. Save America.

  • John Wayne

    I cannot fathom the clout behind Obama concerning the “loss or destruction” of his passport information concerning travel as a child or college student. Further, the “loss or destruction” of his Selective Service information only widens the scope of either governmental incompetency or bribery. I suspect there is something very big behind him and I don’t know if Soros is THAT big.

    • Becky

      Look to the middle east my son!

  • sabulaman

    Doc, what will you say and do if all of this is found to be true?

    • Doc Sarvis

      I like your use of the word “if”. Ha.

      • Steve E

        Looks like sabulaman left you speechless.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Looks like you missed my point.

  • Third_stone

    We have all seen the long and short forms of his birth certificate.
    Are we aware that Sara Palin was reported to have been born in Canada, where her family took advantage of the free medical care?
    Where is Romney’s birth certificate? I am sure he was born of a stock swindle, no human mother.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      I’ve seen the long and short FAKE forms of a birth certificate purporting to be his. And Joe just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt to me that it IS fake. But WTF does it matter to anyone who ignores the rule of law for everything they do? We might all just as well join in and have total chaos. I’d be for that! Give it five years…

    • http://naver samurai

      I see someone is very drunk on kool aid. Care to cite a source about Sarah being born in Canada? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Steve E

        Third_stone is so idiotic that he even thinks everyone else is, just like himself. It goes with my lifelong theorry: 1/3 of the world’s population are brainless idiots.

      • http://naver samurai

        True that! True that! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • libertarian

      I love that one, Romney is a stock swindle. Vote Ron Paul.

      • Ken

        Ron Paul indeed libertarian – and he’s got the power, the popularity and the delegates to win!

        The regularly paid bloggers here have been saying for the last year PLUS that he wouldn’t be popular OR electable….OOOOPS…..more egg-on-the-face!!!!

        Where’s wittle wobby today? I miss him!

  • Becky

    After BHO released his so called birth certificate earlier this year I did some research. The hospital it said he was born in did not exist until 1976, it was a home for unwed mothers before that. I’m sure that imformation has been changed to read differently by now.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Maybe Obama didn’t exist until 1976 either. Makes you sick doesn’t it? Where is Billy Jack when we need him?

      • Becky

        He never was a resident of Conn either, but that is where he got his social security card. Man of many faces!

      • Karolyn

        Becky – If you care to find out the truth about the SS#, check out this link. (Although I don’t think any kind of explanation will suffice for “birthers.”)
        http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

      • kkflash

        Becky,
        Don’t waste your time. I read the link Karolyn posted. It has all the credibility of an Obama campaign promise.

      • eddie47d

        Have you seen some of the nonsense that gets put up on right wing “news” outlets or sites. More sensationalism than fact so it works both ways.

      • Jibbs

        Marshall Dillion would tell Bama that, “he’s gonna see him hang”

      • Karolyn

        kk – Oh, please! If anything is written on a stone conservative site, you take it as gospel. It wouldn’t matter if you met the doctor that birthed Obama and had a video of it; you still wouldn’t believe it. The truth is nobody knows nothn’ for sure, and they’re all just spinnin’ their spins.

      • AZMarc

        Karolyn, “Most likely, this was due to a clerical error.” Straight from the link you gave. Funny, that’s the exact thing the publisher who used the “Born in Kenya” info on the bio for +/- 15 years said. In fact, the numbering on the birth certificate being out of synch with others issued at the time was also explained away as a clerical error. There are only so many errors which I can believe.

      • http://naver samurai

        Hey Karolyn, here is something about the illegal alien that you and the 5th column voted into office.

        http://www.blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/05/23/media-blackout-obama-appoints-assassination-czar-137181/

        I guess the 5th column is really trying to destroy this country with this person, NDAA, and many other things. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Ken

      Your a slow one Karolyn, but I’m holdin’ out some hope for ya!

  • BJ.Holmes

    The MSM isn’t misdirected. They were of the lowest of IQ while being brainwashed in college to hate capitalilsm, free enterprise, people who worship God or respect morality, the principles of the Constitution, and they have never questioned any of it. It is their duty to destroy it and hand this nation over to complete socialism. Check it out! The lowest IQ major in “journalism”, except that the even lower IQ, if possible, choose “communication”.
    Their leaders are rich, evil, unGodly, “superior”, encouraging each other in the ways to control the inferior fools. Watch them. They never fail to prove it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

    Hey, Bob…there is no higher authority for ANYTHING than Snopes! You do realize that don’t you? Snopes is higher than TRUTH, HIGHER than GOD, Higher than EVERYTHING. Just check Snopes if you want the absolute undeniable TRUTH. NOT!

    • TIME

      Dear Mark,

      LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Peace and Love

    • http://naver samurai

      D’oh! :-) FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • http://corporationsarepeople.blogspot.com/ Portuguese Pete

    If the case against Obama comes down to his place of birth it is weak and Obama will be the beneficiary of a smear campaign that will only serve to help his chances for re-election. Americans sense of fairness will kick in and he wins because his opponents are a few beers short of a six-pack. Even if you accept that Obama was born in Kenya, his American born mother automatically grants him citizenship regardless of where she bears her child. And if this were the case, why would a sophisticated mother not register her son with the American consulate? Where are the records of his birth with the American consulate in Kenya, or was the State Department in on the conspiracy back in 1961?

    Orly Taitz is a dingbat and I don’t want to be associated with a dingbat. And why haven’t the Republicans even tried to impeach him? Seems that impersonating an American would be grounds for removal from office. There are so many other issues to be concerned about that this one is a colossal waste of time and a winner for the Obama team.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Apparently you have no understanding of WHAT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is. Do some research before you make yourself look like that which you fear. Being a DINGBAT. Whatever that is.

      • TIME

        Dear Pete,

        Looks like Mark has your number down to the wire dude.

        Hey by the way one quick question is a Dingbat in the { Mindlessbat family } or is it from the { Adams Family? }

        As to the grade of IQ would that be on the same scale as a “Less ON” at a whole 10 points on the IQ grading scale of 200.
        Or the well known “More OFF” – that rates in at a 5 points on the IQ grading scale of 200?

        Peace and Love

      • http://corporationsarepeople.blogspot.com/ Portuguese Pete

        Mark, it is you who are ignorant of the ways of the world my friend. I was referencing myself. I was born in Canton, China and my Mother was born in Massachusetts and my father was a native Portuguese citizen. My Mom, being a stickler for detail registered me in the US Consulate in Canton as an “American born of an American parent born on foreign soil,” My “birth certificate” was issued by the US consulate and confirms that I am a natural born American. I have an American passport and no immigrant papers. I was not “naturalized” as I was always a natural born American. So if Obama was indeed born in Kenya ( which he really wasn’t) but for the sake of argument he would be an American just like me. Natural born. There are more people who fit in this category than you think. There are Americans born all over the world, children of diplomats, soldiers and representatives of American businesses abroad and the are all considered natural born if at least one of their parents is American born. I don’t have to look up any bogus propaganda website. I lived it. There are lots of Americans who no nothing about the lives of Americans living abroad but they are just as American as anybody else. This birther stuff is just nonsense and is based on people’s ignorance.

      • http://naver samurai

        PP, since you were not born in the U.S. or on U.S. soil and both of your parents were not U.S. citizens, ergo you are not a natural born citizen. If your mother was under 21, then she would not be able to pass her citizenship down to you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • http://naver samurai

      Why don’t you check out SCOTUS case Minor vs. Happersett 1875, along with 3 others, and have your mind awakened to what a natural born citizen is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      Got your “Miss me yet” T-shirts?

      • Neil Swan

        Patriots are people who fight for their country.
        Not people who are against it like the people who call themselves patriots are.

        Neil

      • ehancock

        Minor vs. Happersett never said any such thing. If it did, which it didn’t, it was followed by the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court decision, which stated in a ruling of six to two (one not voting) that EVERY child born in the USA, except for the children of foreign diplomats, is Natural Born.

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President….”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      • http://naver samurai

        “…children being born to parents who are citizens of their country…”

        Minor vs. Happersett 1875

        Looks like you are wrong ehancock. Since this ruling has never been overturned by the SCOTUS, it is still what is determined to be a natural born citizen. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • http://naver samurai

        I guess that since I fought for this country Neil, I’m a patriot, but you are a patriot in name only, eh 5th columner? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • MJB

      Man, you do not know the difference between a citizen and “Natural Born Citizen” do you?

      IT IS A FACT, established by a SCOTUS ruling in 1875 (That has NEVER been overturned as well the FACT the term “Natural Born Citizen was at the time of the writing of the Constitution a common term meaning) a “Natural Born Citizen” is one born of TWO Citizen Parents of said country!

      So, you can SPEW all you want about “But His Mom conveyed her citizenship to him”… Does not work that way for a “Natural Born Citizen”… The rational behind the President NEEDING to be “Natural Born” is a question of “LOYALTY”…

    • FireMall

      Portuguese Pete.

      First: Wake up man.

      Then think about why the Repug-less-nuts haven’t challenged Obama’s well proven Ineligibility issue.
      Same reason the Demons keep their wimpy mouths shut.

      Because 95%+ of the 535 “Members” [as in derogatory term describing male reproductive extremity ] are on the dole & part of the U.N. agenda.

      You and a few others here are correct , to a point, about the birth issue being secondary to other issues.

      The so called secondary issue would be the nearly 500 Congress members that Voted Yea on NDAA. The One and only act passed by a 99% Bi-Partisan vote that “Will’ Put both sides of the Birth issue in the exact same holding cells.

      Of course, [back to the BC issue} Obama’s illegitimate election might have had some degree of accountability for America falling into the deepest hole of Marxism “We The People” will historically & currently ever have to Try to crawl out of or endure for the future . .
      So, assuming you and maybe a few other trolls here Might have the intestinal fortitude to accept the fact that “Both” the Left & Right side of the peasant population , of which neither side has any power whatsoever to do a dam thing about Obama’s U.N. Master’s agenda — Are SOL. Solely due to the 495 or so Congress Members Illegally , Via, NDAA Officially Nullfing the Constitution, The Bill Of Rights & Hebeus Corpus.

      To the Liberal Sheeple here, Be very careful what you silly , self-indulging freebee folks wish for, For, All of “We The People” will have to live with what all you Indoctrinated Duped Utopian suckers “Think” you are going to be given.

      Catch up on the reality of all that has been going on for the past 65-70 years.
      I suggest finding some world history literature { that hasn’t been censored & or modified for the Greater Good } in seeking Truth , i.e., Unbiased proof of How Mankind Never has broken the chain of History by Learning from Historical events.
      BTW; Just in case this hat fits some pointed heads here , The Holocaust actually Occurred & Evil is still hidden under the vales of the Greater Good, regardless of the Weather Underground’s Denial which you consider as Facts.

      • Wolfowicz Pearle

        You had me in full agreement up ’til BTW. Yes it existed and is a partial focal point of why we must obey NEOCONIC bidding. That may be a root cause of evil after all is considered.

      • FireMall

        @ Wolfowicz Pearle says: “Quote”
        May 25, 2012 at 10:36 am
        You had me in full agreement up ’til BTW. Yes it existed and is a partial focal point of why we must obey NEOCONIC bidding. That may be a root cause of evil after all is considered.
        ======================================================================

        I think you may have missed the Holocaust “Actually” Did Occur part on my BTW;.

        It was a diss on the Marxist Historical Revisionist. who likely Couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if they were reading the label on the Heel.
        Then again, Considering how those people refuse to acknowledge Hisortical OR Current events as Per the Facts.
        I ain’t sure they can Read. Period. Must be products of their “Forward” Education” clouding their skies of the information highway’s path Leading to some degree of common sense deductions…

    • Jibbs

      Portuguese Pete says:
      May 25, 2012 at 10:26 am
      Mark, it is you who are ignorant of the ways of the world my friend. I was referencing myself. I was born in Canton, China and my Mother was born in Massachusetts and my father was a native Portuguese citizen. My Mom, being a stickler for detail registered me in the US Consulate in Canton as an “American born of an American parent born on foreign soil,” My “birth certificate” was issued by the US consulate and confirms that I am a natural born American. I have an American passport and no immigrant papers. I was not “naturalized” as I was always a natural born American. So if Obama was indeed born in Kenya ( which he really wasn’t) but for the sake of argument he would be an American just like me. Natural born

      —————————————————————————————————————–

      I’m not sure about your “dingbat” remark, but the above info. you provided is wrong.
      If you send me your address, I’ll send you a copy of the original Constitution and HIGHLITE the requirments in yellow for you.
      I have two nephews and a niece is the same situation as you and they CANNOT run for President. The Constitution states that both Parents(plural) must be Natural Born U.S. Citizens. You sir cannot run for President either.
      Giving false information makes you look stupid!!

      • Wolfowicz Pearle

        LOL Well said! Another sane mind among the minutia of misinformed lemmings.

  • MontanaGrandmom

    I’m beginning to think we’re living in an alternate universe where right is wrong and wrong is right. It is no longer innocent until proven guilty, it is guilty until proven innocent…Unless you are part of the machine, then you are automatically innocent and any and all evidence against you is false and can therefore be ignored.

    I am disgusted by the MSM. They are either calling the shots or simply acting as the mouthpiece for the real puppet master(s). They are selling ‘whited sepulchers’ as spacious mansions with all the latest bells and whistles.

    Thank you for putting all of the evidence in one place for our reading pleasure because the MSM is looking more and more like the 3 monkeys-”see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.” La-la-la-la-la! I can’t hear you!

    • Major

      Montana it does seem like it but this is exactly what the Bible tells us will happen, in the Old Testament there are several Prophets that speak of an endtime great nation, America fits that description better than any nation by far, before 9/11 i couldn’t identify this nation but it all comes together now especially with Americans electing a man like Obama and i’m even more certain with his mocking God on gay marriage. In Liviticus God calls it an Abomination and God explains that his wrath will come down on an entire nation. Satan is the god of this world, but God sets up kingdoms and tears them down it’s the only thing that makes sense that a man like Obama is now president, the almighty God is at work here. In the Book of Isaiah this is what God says about this end-time Great Nation i will send them strong delusion and i will bring them fanners round and about,Fanners are strangers to a land and Gods use of that word means people who will do much harm, look at what the illegal aliens are doing to this country and Muslims coming here with the express purpose to take over and make us slaves to Shariah Law. As for Delusional what better word describes our so-called leaders just one example of many Nancy Pelosi. For those of you who think this country isn’t under attack within from Radical Islamists should visit shriahthethreat.org these people are retired high ranking ex gov. security officials who have joined forces to try and warn people of this very real danger,this is a prime example of the Fanners and our Delusional Government working together. God tells us he will save this nation if we repent and turn away from all this evil, but with Obama and gay marriage it’s doesn’t seem like that will happen. I will pray for us and i hope you do as well. My thanks to you Bob Livingston incase you read this lengthy post i had much more to say.

      • ohoh

        We have let the stranger in and we have come very low. Your ideas about America are right in a more literal sense than you may know. The calamities about to befall us will fulfill the prophesies known as the Time of Jacob’s Trouble. That’s one of the reasons it’s important for Israel to wake up, and I don’t mean the ersatz “Israel” of Jewish or Judeo-Christian fables.

  • Scott in SC

    Several people have already mentioned that this controversy was ongoing prior to the election and at the time the GOP and Fox News fully supported the Hawaii story. They brushed off anyone who asked the question as “kooky”. WHY???

    • Karolyn

      Hey Scott – Did you hear about Ted Vick? What is wrong with these men?

      • Scott in SC

        Sure did. Looks like he’s in big trouble with the law and his wife. Sure to be the talk of the town this weekend.

  • monty s. young

    well dummy if obama was born in hawaii then why does he have a s.s. number from conneticut that belongs to someone else that was born in 1890 and not a s.s. from hawaii???!!!! huh dimwitt.

    • Karolyn

      See this link for an explanation of the SS#
      http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

      • kkflash

        The link above in an incredible waste of time.

      • kab

        Why do you keep posting links from an already exposed “obot” site? Do you think they have some credibility?
        http://www.wnd.com/2011/07/327369/

      • Ken

        Karolyn loves to redirect and deny – a tactic used by trained and untrained socialist/ marxists to try to trick American men and women into buying her bunk….

        Best to ignore her altogether….

  • Bob

    They removed the word LUNATIC from being used,because that word was describing all members of the house and senate,now WE replace that word with Dumb A–.OR jack A–,but the latter is a slur of mules.if oreo was properly vetted,we wouldnt be in this mess,he has been selling america down the drain,AND if he is re-elected,there HAS TO BE AN ARMED UPRISING…….

  • larry cooper

    G Soros is tied in with snopes! Believe them…. never!
    A court can convict a person on overwhelming circumstantial
    evidence as we did on a murder case I was
    involved in. This is similar with o’s birth place,
    evidence is overwhelming that birth was not in America.
    Take him to court?
    L

    • Ken

      The fact is Larry Cooper, one needs be circumspect of nearly all information – Soros and all of his ilk have spread their money far and wide to deal with dissention and dismantle the truth…..just look at some of these folks posting here and you KNOW they’ve been buying into the kool-aid propaganda!

  • Linda Steaveson

    The word “birther” should be changed to “truther”. After all, that’s what it really boils down to, the truth.

    • Major

      A true Conservative wouldn’t defy our Constitution but lets say Obama was a Conservative and really loved God and America, the worthless Communist media would be yapping their jaws 24/7 asking to see a real birth certificate.They would have a Marxist Professor on every day telling us about the Constitutional requirement of a natural born citizen. They only like the Constitution if it can be used for their agenda.

  • Edward

    The origion of his birth is one small part – we don’t know anything about his childhood, his college, his work………………..My simple question is why doesn’t Odama release all these records to the public………….why hasn’t anyone from Occidental or Oxford came forward saying they even knew him in school (no one seems to remember him)…..why did he go to colelge as a foreign born student……….the question go on and on and he is the only president to never release this information…………WHY?

  • Edward

    Sorry that should be Harvard instead of Oxford

  • http://none Cyrus N Moreno

    Interview the citizens of Mombasa, Kenya, many of whom are relatives of BHO, to get more info.

  • jay

    Barry and Michelle Obama do not represent America. Barry was worthless as a kid and his arrogance and empty thoughts are now obvious to most, although reasonable people could see through him prior to the election. But I don’t care one way or the other about his personality. I do care that we have elected a person that is the only president ever in the history of the country to defile and defame his own country so completely, and set about to destroy it from within so quickly. And we are letting him. And the media is helping him. I pray every day that congress can be taken back by “reasonable” and conservative representatives of Americans and control this nonsense. He seeks to Unionize the whole of the country, and to destroy capitalism as though capitalism were the reason why Socialism has failed!!! Wait, that’s it, he seeks to destroy that which stands in the way of his philosophy of dictatorship. We are headed towards slavery and indentured servitude, and led by a man that represents people who abhor slavery!! AMAZING.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      An illussionist at best!

  • RWIce

    All of the siting elected body at the time are guilty of allowing this deviation from the Constitution. They are guilty for not taking their oath of office seriously. Vote them out. There is nothing they do that a common citizen of the US cannot do. I will support and defend the constitution of the US against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC.

  • Karolyn

    Here’s a link debunking the SS# theory as well as exposing birther, Col. Hollister, as a kook.
    http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

    • kkflash

      I took the time to read your link. It attributes Obama’s Connecticut Social Security number to a “clerical error”. How convenient for him. It also spends a great deal of time accusing Col. Hollister of various crimes, a standard diversionary tactic for Alinskyites. The article did nothing to convince me that Obama is not a fraud, an alien, and a criminal.

      • Dale on the left coast

        And who made the “Clerical” error? Wasn’t it Grandma who worked for the govt in Hawaii . . . . and got an existing SS Number for her little foreign born grandson who had no standing in the US at that time.

    • Wolfowicz Pearle

      Might have taken this blog seriously but I read the “mission statement”.
      Not very objective except to discredit the boss’ attackers as I understand it.

    • Jibbs

      Typical brainwashed troll, you just keep repeating the same old lie’s. How many times did you post the same lie? 3, 4 maybe 5 times.

    • http://naver samurai

      “For a muslim to keep his word to an infidel at the expense of opportunities to expand islamic power is the islamic equivalent of a mortal sin.”

      Benjamin Franklin

      I guess that this one really describes Obama bin Laden. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

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        samurai,

        This Fourth of July, Americans gathered at barbecues, watched firework displays and remembered the men who assembled in Philadelphia to sign the Declaration of Independence in 1776. For many, the celebrations serve as a reminder of the value of freedom, of a country forged by the people in direct opposition to monarchy and tyranny.

        It is sometimes easy to forget, however, that America’s founders were also concerned with another kind of freedom: the freedom to worship.

        For the Founding Fathers, religious freedom was at the very core of being American. As America’s first president George Washington wrote, America was open to receive “the oppressed and persecuted of all nations and religions”, including Christians, Jews and Muslims. However, throughout its history America has sometimes failed to live up to this ideal, most recently after the 9/11 attacks.

        I saw this firsthand when I traveled as part of a research team headed by Professor Akbar Ahmed of American University to 75 American cities and 100 mosques for the new book, Journey into America: The Challenge of Islam, which explores how Muslim Americans are assimilating into American society and consequently delves into the question of American identity. We met Muslim American citizens who had been imprisoned on suspicion of planning or partaking in terrorist activities without trial and held in inhuman conditions, those whose mosques had been firebombed, and many others who had been subjected to attack and harassment by fellow members of their local communities.

        And one has only to turn on the television to see that the media is full of commentators who ridicule and malign Islam’s holy book and prophet. Some Americans even told me that Muslims cannot be American.

        These Americans should read the works of our own Founding Fathers. These great scholars and statesmen showed an immense respect for Islam and went out of their way to welcome Muslims. John Adams, America’s second president, named the Prophet Muhammad one of the world’s great truth seekers alongside Socrates and Confucius. Thomas Jefferson, the country’s third president and the author of the Declaration of Independence, learned Arabic using his copy of the Qur’an and hosted the first presidential iftar, marking the end of the daily fast during Ramadan. The Founding Fathers also drew upon principles from Muslim civilizations, among many others, in fashioning the American political and judicial system.

        But perhaps the most striking writings on Islam by the Founding Fathers come from Benjamin Franklin, America’s great philosopher and scientist. Franklin expressed his respect for Islam and his strong belief in religious freedom when he wrote of his desire to see the Mufti of Istanbul preach Islam from a Philadelphia pulpit.

        But he faced a challenge from his own countrymen in convincing them to be as tolerant.

        In December 1763, a group of 50 Pennsylvania frontiersmen, seeking to prevent Native American attacks on their homes and frustrated that the government had not taken action against hostile tribes, tortured, mutilated and murdered a group of peaceful Christian Native Americans in the most horrific fashion.

        The supposedly Christian frontiersmen, wrote an outraged Franklin, were more barbaric than those to which they claimed superiority.

        Franklin went on to assert that Native Americans would have been safer had they been living in a Muslim country, as Islam shows even prisoners more humanity than the frontiersmen had shown free men. Franklin praised the compassion of the Prophet Muhammad, writing that the Prophet had applauded the humaneness of soldiers who treated their captives well. Franklin also spoke of his admiration for the 12th century sultan Saladin as a ruler who demonstrated both justice and compassion.

        In a country where feelings against Islam are precarious, the outlook of the Founding Fathers could not be more significant. And at a time of tension between some people in the United States and the Muslim world, both Muslims and non-Muslims can benefit by considering both the American ideals of the Founding Fathers and the Islamic ideals for which they had such admiration.

        These complementary ideals have been challenged to the core by post-9/11 confrontations. So as we settle back into our routines after the Fourth of July holiday, I hope we take time to remember the true America as envisioned by those extraordinary men in 1776 and work to make it a reality. The Founding Fathers would expect nothing less.

        This article was written for the Common Ground News Service (CGNews).

  • Deerinwater

    I don’t know, ~ I had the notion men should be judged by what they do and say and void the baggage associated with sins of the father.

    Hindu and some other religions employ this social type casting , I was hoping Christians might be above it, I guess not.

    Seems we employ birth rights into government affairs while holding claims that all men are equal and possess certain inalienably rights.

    I guess President is an exclusion, is there more?

    • Paul B.

      We do Robert… but we are also bound by laws. We are a country of laws and as such can NOT pick and choose the ones we “think” we should or shouldn’t follow. Selective application of judicial process is one big reason we are in the trouble we are today. Unequal application of law is for anarchists who want no rules at all. DC is the worst for this problem as they basically exempt themselves from most of the laws they create.

      This elitist mentality is the source. People believe that if they can do it, why not me, and they would be “fair” to assume that, but then only more problems ensue. Equal opportunity, equal justice for all, equality is not a tool for forcing others to surrender their liberty, their money, their time and effort… that would be favorable treatment, and that would be discrimination, which is against the law.

      You want change… change the law.

      • Paul B.

        Sorry Robert.. this was in response to Deerinwater.

    • kkflash
    • daniel

      Obama’s actions speak for themselves. I don’t know his father but O I do know and I wouldn’t trust him with my neighbors cat.

  • cindy

    i can buy a birth certificate online from 25 to 100 bucks that says i was born anywhere in the USA, on any date,so i do not belive the fake papper he showed

  • Deerinwater

    The good Sheriff of Arizona has sent a single deputy to Hawaii and should be returning shortly to put this issue to bed. It’s my hope that he does but I fear is he will come home with a big story about his trip and empty handed concussive proof that the “true” Holy Grail might truly exist. They will let him view it only and not touch it or just tell him to go home, that they are tired of the charade and offered what they had on record months ago and go soak his head in the Pacific.

    • Karolyn

      I bet that Arizona rep. is having a fun time in Hawaii on the taxpayers’ dime! How long does it take?

      • Wolfowicz Pearle

        Time enough to filter a “million dollar hired lawyer to cover this” deception “up”.

    • Robert

      Hawaii probably has the same copy of the ” cut and paste ” document that the White House tried to fool the public with. A 10 year old on any computer using Adobe Photoshop could have come up with a more believable document than the Obama and the White House did. This just goes to show you how stupid Obama thinks Americans are.

      • Ken

        WOW!! I WAS J-U-S-T THINKING TO MYSELF! I SAID SELF, WHERE ARE ALL THE STUPID AMERICANS THIS MORONING AND POOF! THERE YOU WERE WOBBY!

      • Ken

        Heyyyyy – wait a minute!!!! YOUR NOT ROB SMITH! looks like I’m the dummy! I APOLOGIZE ROB!

  • Prof Override

    What unadulterated horsesh*t. Get a life.

  • steve

    Wow thays’s crazy. Great run down. Qiuick and to the point. Keep up the great work. Ron Paul is getting my vote. Thoughts now that I value your oppinion…at least with this anyways. Again thanks much, steve

  • Robert

    I wans’t really concerned about Obama birth place until I came across a video on Youtube where his wife was talking to a gay rally telling about she and Barack getting an aids test when they went back to Baracks ” home country ” Kenya. After that more and more information came out about this IMPOSTER sitting in the Oval office. There is just too much evidence out there that point to Obama being born other than in Hawaii. I think what bothers me more is the fact that Congress will do nothing about it, but they can waste millions of dollars on whether or not a baseball player lied about using steriods…go figure that one out.

  • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    Americans we need to get ready for Revolution, its articles like this that open the eyes of a few that still believe that Obamination was not born in Hawaii and right on the Forged Birth Certificate it says his father (Sunni Muslim Pig) was a British Citizen at time of Birth, yet our Congress allows this Animal Obamination to stay in office destroying our Constitution and way of life bringing Communists, Radical Muslims, Radical Socialists and Black Panthers into our Government, Supreme Court and Judges thruout America spewing Sharia Law and Communism. Blacks as stupid as they were last election need to open their eyes to the FACT that Obamination is NOT BLACK since his Mother was WHITE making the first Half Breed President and don’t think he is helping blacks because since he was elected he has allowed 4 Million Illegals into this Country taking Blacks jobs, unemployment for blacks has risen 8% above the national average since this Pig was elected. He Obamination also closed down the only black school system that had a 98% graduation rate, dosen’t sound like he is buying your gas, giving you a home or even giving you a JOB. Do you blacks know the definition of Insanity is? Its doing the same thing over and over getting the same results but expecting a change, vote for another Democrat and see the Insanity for another 50 years because that is who you idiots have voted for for the last 50 years and are still waiting for CHANGE, how do you like Obaminations CHANGE????????????????

    • eddie47d

      You all keep insisting that he favors blacks then turn around and disprove yourselves. Can you say political baloney from the right.

    • Wolfowicz Pearle

      You might be taken more seriously if you left your racial passions at the door and kept that bottled up.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1841450236 Irene Elizabeth Grooms

        Obama hasn’t helped you its s plain as the nose own your face. The ones he is helping are the one who are taking our jobs from us. Obama doesn’t give two hoot in hell about America WAKE UP AND PUT HIM AND HIS CREW OUT IN THE COLD.

  • uvuvuv

    even if he was born in the country he is not of the country. also hawaii isn’t a real state anyway, it’s just a tourist trap like las vegas, and as a state it’s barely older than he is. let’s put it this way, he never saw burma shave signs or i love lucy.

  • Raggs

    I have said this before… research Small-pox vacination… Reason being that the US mandated the vacination during the years that oblama was so-called born… The vacination was given to US citizens by a shot that left a lifelong scare on the arm… I have such a scar and anyone that received the vacination will also have a scar… Ironically oblama has no such a scar… Research how Kenya addressed the small-pox…All of their vacination was given orally with most of the drug being ruined do to poor containment and the lack of refrigeration… If oblama was born in the US by age 5 he would have had a shot in the arm and a scar.

    • FireMall

      Raggs: I haven’t heard this tidbit that further supports the Evil, Crazy Birther’s claims.

      Personally, I am not real impressed with the Non-Birther’s denials of the Obvious , particularly when the Obvious is Undeniable. . Thus Who on either side of the Birth issue are the Crazies ?

      By the same Crazy azzed Token, It Seems crazy for the Patriots on both sides to be at each other’s throats about Obama’s, Congress”,& SOTUS” Illegalities that “Will” Result in the Loss of America & Freedom regardless which side wins the BC battle.

      Personally, Imo, Taking the First act of Treason ,the Birth issue , would ,or should resolve all the following issues of Illegal Treason. And If it takes down the Entire Axis of Evil in Every dammed agent, , elected or appointed , in Every U.S. gov office & the U.N. building , So Be It, What dammed choices are left ?? Freedom or Marxist Socialism ??

      Sadly, I have given into the fact that Obama & his Master’s evil agenda is likely here to stay, by hook or crook, votes or no votes.

      There is also, ample proof that the Majority of Congress , the Executive, And Judicial branches are fully vested in the U.N.’s Agenda of destroying what Used to be The *United* Republic States Of America & *Transforming* America into The *Divided* Masses of the NWO Socialist Republic. “footnote” * Astrix * denotes key words of NWO agenda.

      If, or Rather WHEN the Global Illuminati fully expose themselves to the wrath of True Patriots, I hope & Pray they realize that they too, can be the victims of their own illusive Utopian Dreams of absolute power.
      Considering the Implications of above Facts , I see no need to relay my opinion of What will be the Ultimate road map for the salvation of Our Nation & her Constitution,— For the Solutions for saving America from Our Enemies within “Are Well Described Within the Very Constitution that Our Enemies Within a hell bent of destroying before “We The People” get the Hint and exercise Our Constitutional Rights & Duties to Destroy, by any & all means necessary , Said Enemies Within ,Be they Foreign Or Domestic..

      Get the hint about what the only solution is yet ??

  • John Beach

    Given the fourteen statements of fact concerning evidence which require the willful suspension of disbelief to substantiate the legitimacy of the eligibility of Obama to be president, we at least have a very serious credibility issue. The real question is whether the country wants the rule of law based on the existent stipulations in the constitution or whether it wants a “whatever” basis of political expedients that change with the expressed will of the people as represented by individuals elected during elections which are subject to the fraudulent abuse of the system. If we abandon fundamentals, we will forever be at the mercy of progressivism.

  • ernie

    Why is so much being hid, and then fought over. Fraud is proved and then ignored. Lying to the people and to congress is ignored. Is openness that dangerous? He has admitted he is not a natural born citizen, born of two citizens. Why won’t the courts address it and simply uphold the definition? We have turned away from God. We have elected him. I didn’t vote for him, but our country did. Repent, and get ready for all that is coming. It’s not just this country. It’s the God we have left we will face.

    • FireMall

      Ernie; To clarify or expand on your “Why is Congress being lied to” .

      It’s not Congress “Being” lied to when they all Dam well Know the truth.

      Which leads to the real Question. “Why is Congress , by Omission , Lying about , or Rather “For” Obama.

      Could it be that Congress is / are Bipartisan Liars in a covert effort to cover their own acts of Treason in the matter of Obama’s Eligibility ??

      The Facts Lead Straight to Congress’ being co-conspirators .

      Which pretty well leads to the Nov 2012 elections being a Blatant final assault on “We The Peasants” aka Useful Idiots by force .

      Seems Congress members would much rather see pools of Peasant’s blood in the Streets than risk seeing their blood shed for the Greater Good resulting in a well versed saying from the Progressives, ref: Greater Good” Aka , The End Justifies the Means.

      • Wolfowicz Pearle

        FireMall, You mean well and you give way too much info for these lemmings to comprehend. This crowd, especially the progressives, need to be spoon fed
        the truth in order to prevent coronary shock. Keep chipping away, you are doing well.

  • uvuvuv

    his birth certificate is covered with so much white-out it would break in half. grand mont, you are correct, these days what is right is wrong and what’s wrong is right.

  • alex

    i dont care where obozo was born! his father was not a us citizen therefore obozo can not be president, read the constitution

    • Wolfowicz Pearle

      Finally!, some sanity in the debate! Eligibility is proven null and void because of his Father’s birthplace. It really IS a question of loyalty and this illustrious leader just slides by! It is clearly outlined in the Constitution of the United States of America. Well done!

  • http://www.infowars.com unsheepled

    It does not matter where it was born, It is another useful IDIOT to the bankster cartell that took over in 1913. If you still babble on about left vs right. YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION!

  • FreedomFighter

    The Provenance of Barack Obama with Dr. Jerome Corsi

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61ftI9QwDvE&feature=em-uploademail

    “Dr. Jerome Corsi talks with Alex on the Thursday, May 24 edition of the Alex Jones Show. Corsi talks about the latest on the Obama Kenya birth story, including a threat by Arizona to strike Obama from the ballot this November if the issue cannot be resolved. Corsi is the author of Where’s the Birth Certificate?: The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President, Saul Alinsky:The Evil Genius Behind Obama and The Obama Nation. ”

    A liar is a liar and Obam is a LIAR unfit for leadership

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • fish

    All this INFO is on a Youtube video was iy for yourself (Not Natural Born–Truth Matters).

  • Tim M

    Excellent summary of the information and facts regarding what’s known about Obama’s birthplace. Are you paying attention Glenn Beck? True, with all the facts and anomalies surrounding Obama’s birthplace at the very least screams for an investigation to determine the truth. But all “good” EXTREME leftists like Obama follow one simple rule; the truth is what they say it is.

    I myself have said time and time again no one knows with 100% certainty where Obama was born and to whom. Again if he were born in Kenya as the evidence suggests he is NOT eligible to be President of the United States of America, yes he may hold other offices but President ain’t one of them. If he were born in Hawaii as the 2007 forward nativity story goes, again he is NOT eligible because both parents were not American Citizens therefore does not meet the “Natural Born Citizen” requirement. Now if his “Real” father is Frank Marshal Davis (Chicago Communist and Obama mentor) then I believe he’d be eligible. We the American people need to be confident that whoever seeks the highest office in the land is actually eligible, Republicans and Democrats alike.

  • http://NONE AD Roberts

    Apparently, as easily as ALL of these authorities CAVE, They must be using some very powerful and believeable threats to ‘ARGUE’ their case.

    All it will take is for 60 million Americans to arrive at DC and demand the removal of ALL elected government officials.

  • Jim K

    What do you expect. The powers that be wanted him to be president and it was made so. It just goes to prove that the people really have no power to change things or to make things right. Only if it becomes convenient for him to be defrocked will it happen. Just look he’s doing a good job. Already he has headed us for one world government and rekindled the spark of Charlie Manson’s race war by his statements regarding the Martin–Zimmerman debacle. Those of you who are paying attention will note that fleeing the US will not be advantageous as, if the proposed legislation passes (and it will, you know) expats will be forced to pay additional tax on their retirement should they decide to live elsewhere. But you know , I have faith that God will get them for their travesties, like he has with the descendants of good old Rum Runner Joe Kennedy. I, for one, will never forgive Robert, John, and little Teddy for the Bay of Pigs. How does it go,”And they shall live in infamy.” In my mind, at least. I listened on the short wave. It was a sad day for the United States.

    By the way, don’t forget to remember our fallen defenders on Memorial Day.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001614564217 Bill Sullivan

    The Birther issue will be decided after the Incompetent-In-Chief is fired. Right now, there are $14.65 TRILLION reasons to fire him.

  • Hey You

    All this “born in the USA” controversy leaves out the question of WHY is that “native born” in the constitution. Why, indeed?!

    It is undoubtedly there mostly because anyone who is the leader of the USA needs to be brought-up in the culture of the USA. So, the “native born” qualification was put in the constitution before people could move between continents in hours – with the assumption that people ‘”born-in” the USA would be raised in the USA culture. Good assumption at that time. Not a valid assumption now.

  • http://http//yahoo.com sophillyjimmy

    I can’t believe that these liberal sugar tits making comments here are trying to say that Obama can’t change documents or make them disappear when most of them probably live in a large city an know how easy a registered Democrat can’t get a traffic ticket fixed a Democrat politician will bypass laws for contituents, civil service jobs could be had without taking the Civil Service exam, people that are iliderate get patronage jobs and this is only at the local level, imagine what the president of America could do, especially one that is large and in charge like this ego maniac.
    When sworn into office he took an oath to protect the Constitution and he has violated every one of them that was just a nuisance to him.
    He threatens judges with impeachment if they go against any of his policies, he is threatening Sheriff Arpaio and has the federal law enforcement investigating a good and honest Sherifffor doing his job and detaining illegal immigrants under the guise that he is violating Hispanics civil rights.
    Our founding fathers had the hindsight to ensure that one man cannot overthrow our form of government but Obama and his corrupt cronies are making a mockery of every law that gets in their way. No wonder he is going after our 2nd amendment with a vengeance, he knows that if he could take our firearms away from us there will be nothing else that could stop his Marxist agenda.
    To think that people are still looking at him as though he is a god is unimaginable, between these liberals, welfare recipients, illegal immigrants and dead voters the possibility is very strong that he will get re elected and after just 3 and a half years of his controling and destroying our Great Country, 4 more years of his dictatorship will be plenty of time to make it impossible to get our country back to her former greatness.

  • Susanna in CA

    Even those who may believe he WAS born in Hawaii but understand he’s not natural born regardless are called “birthers” so the eligibility issue can be confused with place of birth. Far be it for anyone to want the Constitution followed. Too many “deniers” out there blindly supporting dear leader.

  • RichardH

    You missed one. An Administration lawyer has admitted — in court — that the released birth certificate is a forgery. http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/04/18/obama-lawyer-admits-in-court-birth-certificate-on-white-house-website-is-a-forgery/

    • Ken

      OOOOuuuuuuuu! Karolyn, all your weak arguments just WENT RIGHT OUT THE DAMN WINDOW.

      It must really stink for you that your constantly on the losing side of these debates….however, your very un-American behavior really makes you a pariah.

      FEDUP!, Samurai and everyone else here ( including Karolyn, Doc, etc) I invite you to watch this video that was made by a high-level KGB agent in 1985……he explains the 4 stages of brainwashing a society…it THIS doesn’t get you to see your nothing but a pawn in this whole game then nothing will.

      REMEMBER, THIS VIDEO WAS MADE IN 1985!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk&feature=em-share_video_user

    • Karolyn

      I watched the video of the court procedings in NJ and did not see her say that.

  • http://yahoo Brent Neerings, Midway, Utah

    I , to this day, don’t believe that Barack Obama was born in the USA. This is the biggest package of “FRAUD” , that we, as Americans , have been handed on a fancy platter. A close friend of mine took the time to show me on the website, that the hospital Obama was supposed to hav been born in wasn’t built until 6 years after he was born. If he was born at that location, was it out in the “Brush” ? I get so sick and tired of being fed rubbish by the Democrats/ Democratic Party . Anyone else feel the same way? Everybody in the USA, should feel this way. B.L. Neerings

  • Funzy

    OMG, am I the only lawyer [retired] who passed his/her Evidence course? In the context of proof of Obama’s birth, why has not the “best evidence” rule been invoked against any and all of the so-called proof of Obama’s birth which his operatives have heretofore proffered? And then there is/are the unexplained absence(s) of records reglarly and routinely kept in the course of the business of the Hawaii recorder and keeper of birth/death records, plus the same for federal agencies, the Social Security Administration and what ever federal agency it is that keeps draft records. And if the INS and/or the US Department State keeps records of arrivals in the US, where are the records of Obama’s mother’s arrival in the United States on or about Obama’s alleged birthday?

    After all of this time, I don’t yet know where Obama was born. He may indeed have been born in Hawaii, but you couldn’t prove it by what his operatives have made public.

    So, in accordance with the above, the issue of Obama’s date and place of birth is not proved. proved.

    • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

      The majority of america rejected Ron Paul for two obvious reasons, foreign
      ploicy and legalizing drugs .

      • Ken

        Just because the major media networks won’t report on his successes doesn’t mean a thing……HE’S ALREADY WON A MAJORITY OF THE STATES BY DEFAULT! HE OWNS ALL THE DELEGATES!

        You folks are all the same – hoping, begging for someone to believe your bu*ls**t! Your just worn down and beat up!

    • TML

      “So, in accordance with the above, the issue of Obama’s date and place of birth is not proved.”

      Yet, evidence has been proposed in the form of a valid birth certificate. Had this not been the case then all anyone could say is that it his date and place of birth has not been proven. But because they have submitted evidence, it is now to the prosecution to invalidate the evidence and show it to be false. Surely as an ex-lawyer you understand this.

      • Sharon Jeanguenat

        His PLACE of birth doesn’t concern me, except for it being another lie. What concerns me is that his DAD was NOT an American citizen, therefore, he is NOT a natural born citizen. And, that is one of the requirements that IS in the Constitution, which the Supreme Court has upheld in the past.

      • TML

        Sharon says, “His PLACE of birth doesn’t concern me, except for it being another lie. What concerns me is that his DAD was NOT an American citizen, therefore, he is NOT a natural born citizen. And, that is one of the requirements that IS in the Constitution, which the Supreme Court has upheld in the past.”

        Incorrect…. Only one parent must be an American citizen, and the child born on American soil, to qualify as a natural born citizen. Natual born citizen is never defined… even the courts only refer to parents… but does not specify specifically TWO parents or BOTH parents. The best definition for natural born is found in the Law of Nations by DE VATTEL which states; “I say, that, in order to be of the country [natural born], it is necessary that a person be born of a father [person – mother OR father] who is a citizen” Emphasis mine
        Two parents are required to be American citizens if the child is born outside American borders, as described in those court rulings you spoke of. In which case, I think his place of birth is very important considering his father was not a citizen.

        • Sharon Jeanguenat

          No, you are wrong. The Supreme Court in 1856 declared that to be a natural born citizen, both parents have to be US citizens. They don’t both have to be natural born, & if a person is born on foreign soil to 2 American CITIZENS, he is considered an American citizen. However, arguing on this matter is getting us nowhere. IF our Supreme court is refusing to hear the case, AND, our Congress is determined to NOT do anything, then the point is moot, unless somebody decides to do something stupid, & try to take him out. (Which I’ve heard the rumor that the Secret Service has a fake attack planned, & then will blame ‘white’ supremists. I HOPE & PRAY that it is JUST a rumor, but too many people believe that Obama is waiting for something to declare martial law, & suspend the elections.)Also, DHS is planning on some kind of civil unrest, otherwise why buy 400million rounds of hollow nose ammo?

      • TML

        I’d like a citation of that court ruling… I been engaged in these debates on the subject for awhile now, and everyone claims it, but has never given the court case and citation.

        Btw… the Law of Nations is what was used by Bob Livingston once to try and prove the definition of “natural-born” since such phrase is never defined even in the Constitution, but as I pointed out, that source actually proved the opposite within the context of definition at the time the Constitution was written… despite court rulings.

      • TML

        “The Supreme Court in 1856 declared that to be a natural born citizen, both parents have to be US citizens.”

        Yes, Ive seen this one and debunked it many times. The ruling never says “both” parents as you just stated. The sentence is structured referring to persons born on U.S. soil, to U.S.-citizen parents. The plural of parents is grammatical to the plural used for ‘those’ born. It does not state that both parents must be US citizens in order to be natural born.

      • Ken

        Sharon, Sharon, Sharon!!!

        Are you STILL arguing with TrueManlyLove?! he’s a babbler who’s drunk too much flouridated H20…..

        Don’t waste your time on this nitwit!

      • http://naver samurai

        Where do you get only one parent TML? Care to cite a source to back that up?

        “…children who are born of parents that are citizens of their country are natural born zen

      • http://naver samurai

        That should read:

        “…children who are born of parents that are citizens of their country…”

        Minor vs. Happersett 1875

        Ergo, you are wrong. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Louis Lemieux

    When it comes to the truth about Obama being born in Hawaii or not I prefer reading about it in impartial places like Wikipedia.

    • Sharon Jeanguenat

      I HOPE you’re being sarcastic! Wikipedia has even removed that the word ‘forward’ was a common MARXIST word used in their beginning of communism.

  • http://yahoo mytwocentswrth

    “No one is COMPLETELY worhtless, they can always serve as a bad example.”

    Hopefully, this country will never again accept another person as a candidate for public office who has a hidden past, no experience, and no birth certificate. In Novemeber, we will correct this abberation. The Kenyan will be banished.

    • Ken

      Aaaaaaaahhhhh….mmmmmmm…..ya-know, that’s true! (about the example!) – still, expulsion is not enough payment for what he’s done….he’s a traitor no doubt….

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidhendrick.behrens David Hendrick Behrens

    Liberals will defend Obama till doomsday, they won’t admit Obama duped them with his birth place, lies and forged papers. All these comments are great, except from the libs, but they can’t help it, their easily blinded and duped and led a stray, by the king of conmen, Obama. Namvet 66/67 USMC

  • TML

    The thing about what you listed is that most of it is called; circumstantial.

    For example, even in the linked article, it says that the grandmother was asked (by someone else) if she was present at Obama’s birth in Kenya. If that was in court, it would be called, ‘leading the witness’ with a debate fallacy called a ‘complex question’.

    Papers in Kenya citing Obama as Kenyan born could simply be a false pride based on the nationality of his father. If document proving his birth are missing from both Kenya and the United States, then obviously the articles and papers are talking out of their ass.

    Hawaii refusing to release birth certificate documents isn’t an indication of foul play, but rather, doing their job. You should not be allowed, for example, to retrieve my birth certificate, without my approval.

    Bob says, “It certainly can’t be because, if Obama himself is to be believed, his father’s Kenyan and British citizenship denies “natural-born” status and precludes Obama from serving.”

    I believe I already debunked your claims on this, using your own source; The Law of Nations. Only one parent is required to be a US citizen, and born on American soil, to qualify as natural-born. Two parents are required to be US citizens, if born abroad, in order to qualify as natural born.

    Bob says, “It certainly can’t be because of the many flaws found in the “official” birth certificate released by the White House last April.”

    I’m all for investigation into the validity of the original certificate… but claimed flaws, or digital anomalies, in the electronic copy… even if proven, only raise more questions, and actually proves nothing. Even Joe knows this. He must get a hold of the original certificate to prove anything.

  • Ken

    Anyone who has spent the money Barry has to hide any information concerning his birth certificate IS NOTHING BUT A CON ARTIST, A SHILL AND AN INCESSANT LIAR.

    Despite the FACT (as stated) his father is NOT a natural born citizen (that being a Constitutional requirement for office )

    THE ABOVE FACTS MAKE ALL OTHER ARGUMENTS NULL AND VOID.

    • TML

      The father being natural born is not a requirement. It is a requirement that the President be ‘natural born’.

      • Sharon Jeanguenat

        The father being natural born is NOT a requirement, but he DOES have to be a citizen of the United States BEFORE the birth of a child. IF he’s a citizen, when did he take the citizenship oath? He didn’t, because that would mean he would have to admit to his lies. And, for those of you who BELIEVE he was born in Hawaii, I got ocean front property for sale, in Arizona. Just because the media, & Obama SAY something does NOT make it true.

      • Ken

        NOT TRUE – AND THE FACT THAT YOU TRY TO REPEAT THAT IT IS TRUE IS JUST MORE OF YOUR TRYING TO CONVINCE EVERYONE ELSE THAT IT IS.

        IF ANY MAN RUNS FOR THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HE MUST – MUST……{ LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN SO YOU CAN GET IT} HE MUST HAVE PARENTS THAT ARE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS….

      • TML

        See my response to Sharon above

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong answer TML. Why do you keep lying when both parents need to be citizens according to Minor vs. Happersett 1875? Also, his mother has to be 21 to pass her citizenship to her son, Obama bin Laden. Since she was a “ho” at 18, she was not old enough to pass her citizenship onto him. Sheesh! The 5th column never stops lying. BTW, why no facts, sources, or sites? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Ken

      (Singing) Truuuuuuuueeee, Manly Loooooooooove!!!!

  • FEDUP!

    Anyone who believes Obama is an American citizen, probably found Casey Anthoney Not Guilty! lol

    • TML

      It is a fact that Obama is an American Citizen.

      • Ken

        You gotta be part of the damage-brigade! what happened – the rest of your fwiends dump you here to try to smother us with your b*l*sh*t?

        God, don’t you people EVER get tires of making this sh@t up?!

        Ha,ahahahahaahaha!

      • TML

        Ken, there is a difference between an American Citizen and a natural born Citizen. Whether or not Obama is a natural born Citizen has been the question, as that is the Constitutional requirement. Obama is indeed an American Citizen even according to the US Code

      • Ken

        Listen Jerky, I’ll say it one more time cause I know your a little slow and hard of hearing…..BOTH PARENTS need be NATURAL BORN!

        ARE YOU OBTUSE?!

        He is NOT eligable….end of discussion! NEVER WAS, NEVER WILL BE!

      • Ken

        IN FACT, Robert Smith must be highlighting as TML! Run away with your tail between your legs ROBBY.

      • TML

        Ken says, “BOTH PARENTS need be NATURAL BORN!”

        Please give a court citation which states this, or where you get that information.
        Because the Constitution never defines what natural born means, or what is required, I look to the Law of Nations by De Vattel, at the time of the Constitution was written, and referenced by many founders, which states; “I say, that, in order to be of the country [natural born], it is necessary that a person be born of a father [person – mother OR father] who is a citizen” Emphasis mine

      • TML

        Ken says, “IN FACT, Robert Smith must be highlighting as TML! Run away with your tail between your legs ROBBY.”

        I’m afraid you are getting fact and opinion mixed up… and you seem like a very angry person. Calm down… I never go under different names.

      • Ken

        Mr. TrueManlyLove strikes again!

      • http://naver samurai

        Stop lying TML a he is not a natural born citizen according to Minor vs. Happersett. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Ken

      Isn’t that also kinda like homosexuals believing they’re actually the opposite sex?! although they retain the equipment they were born with?

      Speaking on this subject….

      It’s’ been here say that “O” frequented a well know Chicago nightclub and holds membership there….

      Apparently our O’baby likes to be dressed in diapers and spanked….

    • Ken

      @FEDUP!

      NOW I’M UPSET! Are you insinuating that these folks who are supporting the great man we have in office have very little common sense!!

      HOW DARE YOU!

      I SAY THEY DON’T HAVE ANY AT ALL!!!!

      Watch if FEDUP! yur lookin’ fer a whippin!

  • Rick Bowen

    The Truth will set us free….. Now there is an illusive commodity in today’s society. I am not sure that there is a politician on this planet that has an inkling of what the truth actually is. In government the truth is whatever they say it is. That changes from hour to hour. So forget trying to prove that Obama was not born a citizen of the USA. Do you think that he has not dispatched his minions to effectively cover up the facts. The fun would be to show him a non citizen by virtue of the fact that his father is a well documented non citizen communist piece of crap. Then watch them try to rewrite history to get around that fact. If anyone can’t see thru this lying POS. They are just too stupid to even talk to My he go down in flames this election. That would renew my faith in America.

  • tommy dee

    Usama Bin-Laden once warned that the next great terrorist attack would be be much more insidious and far worse than 9/11 — then this ‘Manchurian Candidate’ appeared out of nowhere…

  • http://gravatar.com/tropicsilk tropicsilk

    Don’t for get the flat earher comment that’s en vogue now too. Birther, and racist are the hand that distracts us from the economy and pathetic foreign policy. Keep focused on reality. If this pesident we white or even if he came from Mars he would still be terrible for our future.

    • Ken

      Another non-sensical dunce joins the discussion!

      • FireMall

        @ Ken:

        Be nice ol boy. tropicsilk is of my opinion that the BC issue will never see the light of truth.

        The results after Obama’s initial act of Treason / BC fraud are well at hand & staring “We The People” squarely in the eyes.
        The next thing to be staring “We The People” down will be Dressed in a U.N. uniform with Blue hats.
        And one more of Obama’s promises will be come to fruition.
        As In-”Quote” Obama, I will have an Private / Civil Army larger than the U.S. Military.

        Does this answer the question of How the Military will turn on American Citizens ?
        These U.N. forces will not be American Citizens thus Our Blood & Freedom are worthless unless “Our” Patriotic U.S. Military turn the U.N. forces back into the Hell they are borne of. That includes 99% of All Leaders in all 3 branches of Gov.

        NDAA has Proven beyond any Doubt that “We The People” have been Screwed to the unnoticed proverbial wall while the BC issue had us all distracted.

        tropicsilk says:
        May 25, 2012 at 1:04 pm
        Don’t for get the flat earher comment that’s en vogue now too. Birther, and racist are the hand that distracts us from the economy and pathetic foreign policy. Keep focused on reality. If this pesident we white or even if he came from Mars he would still be terrible for our future.

      • Ken

        @FIREMALL;

        Yes, I am aware of all this (seriously)…..I see your point about compassion, but I must admit, it is difficult for me to find it in myself to be it.

        God help me find that compassion for myself and others – God help us all.

    • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

      What i said is a fact the (majority ) of american voters rejected your ron
      paul because they didnt like his position on legalizing drugs or his ideas
      concerning foreign policy. Otherwise he was Ok. This is a (FACT) not bull sh-t.

      • Ken

        WOOO, WOOO,WOOO!!!!! HAY MOE!!!! WHERE’S LARRY!!!! {MOE REPLIES} HE THINKS HE’S A BIRD KNUCKLEHEAD!!!!

        {MOE REPLIES} – OOOOOOOHHHHHH!!!

        • Sharon Jeanguenat

          That & the fact that he said we should stop all aid to Israel. That did me in right there. I am a staunch supporter of Israel. And, this Larry guy needs to stop with all his stupid childish obnoxious comments! And, I agree that the media did do some major damage to Ron Paul. Not sure why, but probably for the same reason they shot down Hillary’s run, just ’cause they can. The BIGGEST problem in this country is our media, not the politicians. They are the next in line, but the media is so busy telling lies that they have long forgotten what truth even is.

          • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

            Your hero ron damged himself on stage he did not need the the medias help.
            this larry knows what your hero said I have watched him and listened and I
            said hes ok . I just disagree with him on a couple of issues.

        • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

          Go smoke some more of your legalized ron paul dope while your at it
          hand out free needles to all the american youth drug additcs. I see them
          D.O.A. and overdosed every damn day. Oh
          and by the way your ron paul thinks its fine for americas enemies to posess
          nuclear bombs for that what he said on national television.

      • Ken

        NYUCK, NYUCK,NYUCK!!!!

      • Ken

        YEEAAAAHHHH LARRY! STOP WITH ALL YOUR STUPID, CHILDISH BEHAVIOUR! NAAAAAAHH!

      • Ken

        NUCLEAR BOMBS?! YOU’VE GOT NO BRAINS AND SOMEHOW YOUR STILL BREATHING?!

        (I dunno how you do it but apparently you don’t NEED brains to breathe!)

      • Wolfowicz Pearle

        Sharon Jeanguenat says:
        May 25, 2012 at 1:19 pm

        That & the fact that he said we should stop all aid to Israel. That did me in right there. I am a staunch supporter of Israel.

        ______________________________________________________________________
        Oh really now? If you only knew what you were talking about…You would be so embarrassed.

        Ron Paul really is rejected by the majority of NEOCONics because of zionistic
        influences and the bankers! Ron Paul really wants to close the fed and break the NEOCON piggy bank and that is what really ticks you off! You see, Ron Paul has been in congress long enough to know who manipulates the US to invade the middle east. They are sucking us into attacking Iran right now. Do you think they would really do it themselves when they have us to do it for them. All Dr. Paul wanted to do is stop all the welfare going to countries that does not NEED it and they don’t. Big forbidden words on political forums = “J” word , and the “I” word. They own us (even their leaders have said it) and they could mess us over quicker than the USS Liberty got attacked.
        Thanks for showing your true colors!

    • http://comcast the fisherman

      Hey Marco Rubio is a Birther Now we have a beaner in the house

      • http://naver samurai

        MarcRubio is ineligible to run, due to he not being a natural born citizen. Next, why do you use the race card? Classic 5th column strategy.

        “Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter. The inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence.”

        Daniel Webster

        He was right then and he is right now. The average people showed their carelessness and negligence by electing Obama bin Laden to office. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Lee McWright

    Without deference to some of the above Democrat schills or Obum’s apologists, my concern is that there is enough evidence to at least investigate the pretending presidents qualifications. Yet, some of the nation’s best reporters such as Bill O’Reilly, Hannity,Bret Hume etc do not dare to even touch this mess. Not because of lack of evidence, but I think they are afraid of it. Why? Has the actin POTUS threatened them? Some say that if they do show proof of fraud, the Black community will burn the cities. If this is true, we are indeed in trouble, my friends. And, I fear it is true.

    Now liberal folks will take their shots at me. Go ahead—but you really know that he is a fraud and imposter, without any qualifications to be POTUS.

  • Tony

    You Birthers,why you’re not trying to spend your time (and energy)doing something real useful for our country; like finding the best solution to get rid of this economic nightmare!

    • Ken

      THE ECONOMIC NIGHTMARE WAS CREATED WHEN DIPS*TS LIKE YOU VOTED FOR OLOSER…..(NOT THAT THE ALTERNATIVE WAS ANY BETTER, CAUSE HE WASN’T)….AND THE TERM IS “TRUTHERS”…BECAUSE YOU SEEM TO AVOID THE TRUTH AT ALL COSTS, THAT BEING;

      THE BUM ISN’T AN AMERICAN, NEITHER WAS HIS FATHER, HE IS NEITHER CONSTITUTIONALLY NOR MENTALLY FIT TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

      • Tony

        If we can not trust our officials in charge with the election process, who else is trustworthy then?

      • Ken

        Thomas Jefferson and the Founding Fathers entrusted the people to monitor our elected employees…..and we have been neglect in our duties!

      • http://naver samurai

        You are correct Ken.

        “While the great body of freeholders are aquainted with the duties which they owe their God, to themselves, and to men, they will remain free. But if ignorance and depravity should prevail, they will inevitably lead to slavery and ruin.”

        Samuel Huntington, January 09, 1788

        By how we are not going by our founding, Constitution, and how much more socialist we are becoming, Samuel was right. For if we continue down the path that leads to destruction, we will all become slaves of our government. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Wolfowicz Pearle

      Why don’t you birthers do something meaningful like finding a solution to the economic crisis?

      Well Now that is rich! OK here goes.
      1. Suspend, audit and eventually close the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank.
      2. Cut off all state and federal funding to illegal aliens and deport only the ones in the prisons. The rest will self deport when they aren’t being fed, medicated, paid tax funds,
      and educated. I believe you should keep families together so I will let the jackpot babies go too. All the Ex-cons have one choice of port of deportation, the southern tip of Chile.
      3. Foreign aide should be merit based according to need beginning with the most economically depressed financed by the world bank.
      4. Move the United Nations to Aruba or the Caymans…they seem to like to bank there.
      5. Any and all china based US owned factories pay immediate tarrifs on goods and services.
      6. Stop all immigration to the US until item 2 is 75 percent complete.
      7. Welfare is physically removed from the federal level and sent to states that certify that sanctuary status to illegals is removed.
      8. Tax all corporate entities equal to the same rate individuals are taxed.
      9. Tax all citizens at equal rates from top to bottom. No tax welfare to anyone rich or poor.
      10. Give incentives to companies that hire Americans and show a meaningful profit with a liveable wage to it’s employes without unions destroying it’s viability.
      11 End all unfunded retirements. (pay back all funds robbed from the social security)
      12 All the national debt will be billed to the countries that benefited most by it. e.g. China,
      Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and the rest to the banks and corporations that got bailed out. Don’t worry, we have a payment plan and a war debt plan.
      13 Bill Israel for all the medical care given to the wounded and maimed soldiers for fighting wars that helped to secure their regions.
      14 Bill Mexico for all revenues lost caring for their impoverished by closing down hospitals,
      welfare, tax fraud, incarcerated care, education for their kids, and border security costs.
      15. Default on debt owed to banks and foreign entities financed by thin air or unfunded paper. Repossess all federal owned land and landmarks and never place it up for sale to anyone ever again.
      16. cancel all contracts to foreign entities that run interstate toll companies, repair major metropolitan infrastructure, retrain unemployed americans to do this.
      17. Give incentives to rebuilding American Industry with smart regulation, locating the largest polluters in desert regions and bring back work to America. More work means more revenue and less benefits to pay for those who need work.
      18. Bring medical costs down by privatizing competitive rates and keeping pharmaceuticals safer and affordable.
      19 Make the congress and senate a truly honorable place to work by setting an hourly wage based on how much that state can afford to pay him and take the federal wage out of the loop. Remove all lobby influences by making it a crime to bribe any government official and harsh punishment for any corporate, private, or international influence either by campaign contributions or bribery to influence a legislative decision. Both the congressman/senator as well as the briber gets a felony at minimum with termination of office.
      This would be a start to try to clean house from corruption…that alone saves a lot of money%%%$$$$$$$$$$

      • Tony

        That sound too good to be true! Let’s Vote for it! It’s the most complete PLAN ever!

  • Lee McWright

    To Tony
    We are. The economic nightmare is the Acting POTUS!

  • Carol J

    As I’ve said before, my son was born on Oahu in 1962. The so-called official birth certificate for BO looks nothing like the one I have for my son. Shouldn’t they have the same configurations?

    • Ken

      WOULDN’T YA THINK!

      • Ken

        Uuuuuhhh – that’s right….asking for the impossible with these nimrods!

    • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

      Evidently you did not watch the presidential debates your ron paul said
      I quote (I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IRAN HAVING A NUCLEAR BOMB
      WHY NOT)

      • Ken

        HEY MOE, DID YOU HEAR SOMETHING?! ME NEITHER!

        LAH-LAH-LAH, LAHHHHH-LALAAAAAAA!

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

        In the future I will not bother to respond or read any of you comments for it is obvious you do not have a clue
        as to what your talking about!

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Larry,

        I have written about you. Perhaps you missed it.
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/14/the-lies-youre-told/

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

          I f you are insinuating my comments arent accurate , all I can say is I am
          100 % sure I saw and heared Ron Paul say in a presidental debate . 1. He
          would legalize drugs 2. He did not have a problem with Iran producing a
          nuclear bomb. This is a fact.

          • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

            Dear Larry,

            You write: “I f (sic) you are insinuating my comments arent (sic) accurate , all I can say is I am
            100 % sure I saw and heared (sic) Ron Paul say in a presidental (sic) debate 1. He
            would legalize drugs ” You are 100 percent wrong.

            You write: “2. He did not have a problem with Iran producing a nuclear bomb. This is a fact.” It is anything but.

            You can go here and read Ron Paul’s own words about his policies: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/
            You can go here and see what I’ve written on the subject: http://personalliberty.com/2011/12/26/debunking-the-anti-paul-messages/
            http://personalliberty.com/2012/01/09/loving-our-enemies/
            http://personalliberty.com/2012/02/27/on-iran-government-and-doublethink/

            You have been fed too long from the trough of the MSM. You have much work to do.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

            First of all I do not watch MSM never heard of it. Secondly for the last time I know what the guy said if he has made opposing comments to his own Im not aware of it. And Im
            really not interrested. He is not even a player in the upcoming election. The thing
            that concerns me the most is the removal of the current imposter, and the
            assurance that the upcoming election will not be rigged . If america can have
            a legitimate election I feel confident that B.H.O. will become history for the majority
            of americans I have talked with do not trust or want him.

      • Ken

        All right Larry, I’m sorry…..

        What Dr. Paul said was everyone else has them, SO WHAT if they have one as well?! Israel has 200!!!!!!

        The CIA / FBI have stated, they DON’T have one! So what’s the problem?! STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST AND WORLD ISSUES…..”Friendly with all nations, allied with none!” Thomas Jefferson

        • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

          I wish that could happen . There is nothing I would like better than for America
          to tell the entire Middle east to drink their oil and eat their own sand. For it was
          the U.S. and Britain that inabled them to be what they are today they didnt even
          know what oil was, how to drill, or where to find it before we showed them. America
          can not survive in isolation in the present day. During Thomas Jefferson era
          things were much different. America has become a slave to a Global economy.

      • TML

        Could you provide a link to that quote Larry? I’ve watched him quite a bit, and I’ve only heard him say the exact opposite… even on Jay Leno appearance when he said that he doesn’t want Iran to have a nuclear weapon, but that they are allowed to develop nuclear energy under the non-proliferation treaty… which forbids Iran from having nuclear weapons, and to which they voluntarily remain a party to.

        • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

          Look mr TML I am A 100 % old retired marine corp disabled patriotic
          american . When I say I saw and heard someone say something then thats
          what it is. If he said the opposite on the leno show that means he changed his
          mind or he is a typical politician that says what ever he thinks will gain him popularity.
          Either way he has dropped out of the race he has 0 chance of being elected so
          I have no other choice but to support Romney. I really dont believe the upcoming
          election will be legitimate anyway. Im about 90% sure it will be rigged. I do not trust
          the present US congress or President at all.

      • Ken

        @Larry;

        Dr. Paul never said “isolation”, he said “no allegiance”……AND HE DID NOT DROP OUT OF THE RACE.

        • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

          They announced that he did on the news . Maybe they were
          mistaken. I guess you know something I dont. Doesnt really
          matter though he has no chance of being elected as far as I can
          see. So why would I support a candidate that has no chance of
          winning.?

          • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

            Dear Larry,

            You write: “They announced that he did on the news. Maybe they were mistaken.” Therein lies your problem: you depend on the mainstream media (MSM) for news. You are here, which is a good start for you to learn the truth. I have provided you some links that can help you along your journey. Please take a moment to read them and follow the hyperlinks embedded therein. I believe you are sincere in your search for the truth, but you must work to understand it.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

            Yes that correct Im not a jokster, however I do not see a link you said you provided
            and you didnt explain to me why should I support a man that has 0 chance of becoming
            the next president unless the other candidates mysteriously drop dead.

          • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

            Dear Larry,

            Please scroll up in this thread of comments and you will see one from me to you that contains four links. Please read them. You should support Ron Paul because he is more than a candidate. He represents a movement toward Constitutional governance. Even if he fails to achieve the GOP nomination, he is setting the stage for a true conservative Republican party. If you will study Dr. Paul, his positions and his philosophy, you will understand.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

      • Ken

        Larry, Bob is referring to the “Mass Social Media”….aka, MSM…..most of the “older crowd” base all their brain-feed from those lying shill b*st*r*s who are owned by Ford, Soros, etc…

        You won’t find anything but propaganda on the news networks….has to be gleaned on here….

        I know you served your country well and I honor and acknowledge you for it – yet I would ask you to call into question all you think you know (or most) is true and question it…..you’ve been fed a LLLLLLLot of baloney (as we all have) and it’s time to take out the trash (in your mind) and look with a fresh perspective….

        Mr. Livingston has shared some valuable and reliable information.

  • Ken

    SEE LARRY, I CAN PLAY THE “STUPID” GAME TOO! AM I’M FUNNY WHEN I DO IT!!

  • Ken

    HEY LARRY, IS THAT YOU?! WHAT DID YOU SAY?! YOU’VE GOT SOMETHING STICKING IN YOUR BUM?!

    NYUCK, NYUCK, NYUCK!!!!! I CAN’T HELP YOU WITH THAT!

    • Ken

      COME ON LARRY! DON’T LEAVE! I WAS ONLY KIDDING!!!! HONEST!!!

      COME BACK LARRY, COME BACK!!!

      • Ken

        LAAAAAARRRRREEEEEE!!! OH LAAAAAAAAAAREEEEEEEE!!! WHERE’D YA GO!!!!

        C’MON!!! I DIDN’T MEAN IT!!!! PLEASE LARRY, I’LL BE GOOD!!! I PROMISE!!!!

        COME BACK LARRY!!! I’LL PLAY NICE!!!!

        LET’S BE FRIENDS!!!

  • ONTIME

    The worm turns and the libs are sweating profusely as election day draws nigh, if their boy the halfast, halfcaste blows this run for the office his exposure will make a forest fire look like a back yard BBQ….So ask if your not a BC seeker, then how can you sleep nights knowing your going to get busted and made to be the halfwits bus dummy?

  • ehancock

    The full transcript of the interview with Obama’s Kenyan grandmother shows that she repeatedly said that he was born in HAWAII. Birther sites tend to cut off the interview just before she said that. Moreover, there is another interview with the same woman, one that birther sites do not quote. In that interview, done by the Hartford Courant newspaper, she says that the first that her family had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.

    Birther sites do not tell you about the fact that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Only 21. Yet we are supposed to believe that two of them were Obama and his mother. Birther sites do not repeat the fact proven by WND that Obama’s father was in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. So, if Obama’s mother actually made the trip half way around the world to give birth in Kenya, she traveled alone. How likely is that?

    In fact, there is no proof of any kind that Obama’s mother traveled outside the USA in 1961 or arrived in Kenya or gave birth in Kenya. There is, however, a birth certificate for Obama in Hawaii, and the fact that it exists is confirmed not merely by three Republican and two Democrat officials in Hawaii in repeated confirmations, but by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961—which at the time were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii, and only for births in Hawaii–and by the public “Index Data” volumes which have been available for years and which show a birth certificate file created for Obama in 1961.

    • Louis Lemieux

      Congratulations,Ehancock! The truth really matters to you! This is a lot better than all the others here who will blindly believe anything that fits their wishful thinking.The most basic ways we come to “know“ something are sense experience, deductive logic, emotion, intuition, authority and science. Because we are social creatures, we often utilize an indirect mode that allows us to rely on someone else or on something else in order to draw a conclusion without having to see or think it through from the beginning on our own. However, in order to use an authority, we must first accept it as valid, and in order to do that we must become convinced of its reliability by our sense experience, logic, emotion, or intuition, and thence come to trust it, which is why this mode is synthetic. If I use this mode I use it cautiously and sparingly, blind obedience is not for me, I like to find the truth by myself.

    • chuckb

      ehancock, please name the hawaiian officials that viewed barrys birth certificate. the last i remember hawaii refused to let anyone view the record, that is if there is one. from what i read about his mother, she probably dropped him in a pineapple field and there is no record, has anyone checked the prison roles in illinois, he may be a paroled criminal.

      the bolsheviks don’t really care where he was born, they have the presidency and that’s all that counts, the blacks don’t care, he’s black, that’s all that counts.the illegals don’t care, they cross the border with ease and he takes good care of them with welfare.that’s all that counts. so what’s the problem.

      • ehancock

        Re: “Ehancock, please name the hawaiian officials that viewed barrys birth certificate. the last i remember hawaii refused to let anyone view the record…”

        Sure. No problem.

        In the first of several confirmations (I have lost count):

        The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health Dr Chiyome Fukino and the registrar of vital statistics, Dr. Alvin Onaka,Oct. 31 said that they had looked into Obama’s file. And they stated that there was an original birth certificate on file. (http://blogs.starbulletin.com/inpolitics/certified/)

        In July 2009, Fukino went through the process again, again stating that she had looked into the file and that there was a birth certificate in it (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm).

        Still, that is only two officials, both however, were working for Republican governor Linda Lingle, at the time. And Lingle believed them, making her own statement that Obama was born in Hawaii, and adding that he was born in Kapilani Hospital.

        The third official whose name that we know was the current Director of Health of Hawaii, Loretta Fuddy, who stated in this press release and in a letter that she had seen the original birth certificate in the files and in the process of being copied onto security paper to make the official physical copy of the long-form birth certificate (http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=71462e6edb79c23595f73fe38&id=9d8904b9d5)

        So there are Republican and Democrat officials who saw the long form birth certificate. Three witness should be enough, but there is at least one more, an official whose name we do not know. The clerk who prepared the short-form birth certificate did so by copying the information off of the document in the files. That is how it is done. So there had to be a document in the files to be copied. So there are least four officials who saw the birth certificate.

        In addition to these people, there is also the confirmation of the birth notices in the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the newspapers in Hawaii, which at the time were only sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii, and the further confirmation of the “Index Data” (http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/23/president-obamas-birth-records-made-public-for-years/

        In addition to these confirmations, there is of course the latest one, a few days ago, made at the request of Arizona. In this, a Hawaii official again looked into the file and checked whether the facts in the document in the file were the same as on the copy of the published long form that Secretary of State Bennett had sent to them, and then said that the facts were indeed the same.

        You might believe that all these officials are lying (though why Republican officials should do so before the presidential election in 2008 is inexplicable), but then there is the facts of the Index Data and the notices in the newspapers. And there is the sheer stupidity of the notion that Obama’s mother, late in pregnancy, flew to Kenya at enormous expense and great risk (lousy hospitals as opposed to good ones in Hawaii) to give birth, and there is no record of her arriving in Kenya and no US record of her traveling outside the country or of Obama entering it (If such records existed, the Bush Administration or the McCain campaign would have found them in 2008).

        Oh, in case you were thinking of saying it. Abercrombie never said that Obama’s birth certificate was missing or that he could not find it. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that she was present at his birth. Adams, a White Supremicist, had no access to birth certificate records, nor did anyone in the Election Commission. Obama never said “I was born in Kenya”–that is in a forged video. Michelle’s statement about “home country” refers to the country of ancestry (as Ireland is a home country), not the place of birth.

        But it all boils down to the idea of Obama’s mother going to Kenya late in pregnancy being completely loony and the fact that there is a Hawaii birth certificate being confirmed by multiple officials, birth notices and the Index Data.

    • Thinking About

      ehancok, you an also add the current governor of Hawaii Abercrombie saw Obama’s mother while she was pregnant with Obama in Hawaii. The one item which makes Obama an American citizen is his mother was an American citizen entitling Obama to be an American citizen. This also makes many of us American citizens because one of our parents was a citizen and it does not matter where our birth occurred. The birthers can continue to live their falsehoods and it will not change the fact Obama will still be a citizen.

      • http://naver samurai

        We didn’t say he wasn’t a U.S. Citizen, just not a natural born citizen. Since his father wasn’t an American, ergo he isn’t natural born. Next, since his mother was an 18 year old “ho”, she was not old enough to pass her citizenship down to Obama bin Laden. By law you must be 21. Need to study a bit more, all of you 5th columners. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Jon

    It’s such a travesty what this fruad, foriegner, racist, Muslim HNIC has perparated against the USA. This is treason and crimes againt the Republic, punishable by death by firing squad at sunrise, without the hood, so he can experience the American made 240 grain bullets flying his way….this empty suit needs to be loaded up and taken 50 kilometers South to Ft Belvoir and pay for his crimes immediately. Semper Fi.

    • Ken

      That’s really not punishment enough…..I could come up with somethin wayyyyy better. Where’s your imagination Jon!? Kindofa boring punishment doncha think?

  • ehancock

    Re: “The so-called official birth certificate for BO looks nothing like the one I have for my son. Shouldn’t they have the same configurations?”

    If you are referring to the fact that your son’s birth certificate was probably made using the ancient photocopy technique of white text on a black background like those of the Nordyke Twins (http://www.wnd.com/2009/07/105347/), the answer is no.

    The reason is that the Obama long form is a modern photocopy, black type, which was made on modern security paper. However, the format of the birth certificate, State of Hawaii on the upper left hand corner, Child’s first name just below it in box 1a, Etc. should be the same–unless there was a chance in format from 1961 to 1962.

    • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

      At my age Its not that easy to blow smoke up my ass!

      • JON

        But you do it in the privacy of your own home, just the same.

      • http://naver samurai

        Hey JON (Kang), at least Larry said he served and retired from the USMC, thanks Larry, so what about you? No? I didn’t think you had the nads to serve. Look at this about Obama bin Laden and have your 5th column mind awakened to the truth.

        http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=106938

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Randall

    the muslim skunk occupying the White House could never be eligible for the presidency, even if he was born in the Lincoln Bedroom. His alleged father was a British subject. End of story. Simply because of that, the Framers carefully singled out the presidency for this qualification. Does even a brain dead liberal dhimmicrat think the Framers would countenance a president with split loyalties, especially one with a BRITISH father?????? They had just spent their lives and fortunes to secure our blessed liberties. We owe it to them, if no one else, to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION and remove the fraud from office.

  • joseph foster

    Well folks to day in our history we have entered an era of deception lies and greed. Our Government no longer functions for the good of the majority of the people. It has become a Government that serve special interest group, that small special interest group shapes US polices and economy that benefits the few that are part of the corrupt system. It is the beginning of the rapid decline of a country that was once the envy of the world, a country that gave hope to mankind, a country that elevated the poor to the middle class, those virtues are no more. Obama is a clone of the past few Presidents. For your solace and peace find a place to live and be close to nature and watch the beauty of nature, wake up and hear the birds singing while you gaze at the beautiful sky and dream that one day it will get better.
    Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • Louis Lemieux

      Your beliefs affect your life more than you think they do. If you want to have the best life experience you can ever have, switch out your disempowering beliefs with empowering ones.

      • joseph foster

        I do not fully understand your comment as to me I have been blessed with all of the material need and enjoy life to the fullest. My concern is for the young and future generation for you see I always remember when I was poor, and by hard work and luck America fulfilled my dreams. Today America is falling, it was not brought about by Obama, It took many years of mistakes to get us where we are today. Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • Louis Lemieux

      Ideals: are good but don’t let them stop you from living in the present. They are meant to inspire you and give you a direction to move toward so that you can maximize your present moment (not to take you away from living in it).

      • joseph foster

        Good comments.

    • Louis Lemieux

      Fulfillment: You create a more fulfilling life by giving attention to the good things, not the bad things; by celebrating the good stuff, not whining about the bad stuff; by working on things that you love, not doing the things that you hate.

      • joseph foster

        I do all of what you have said, but I am always a very compasionate person that will not ignore the suffering of others. Josep Foster

      • Karolyn

        Be FOR what you want/love rather than AGAINST what you hate/don’t want. The energy you give effects the outcome. So if you’re giving too much attention to that which you are against, that is what gets the energy to keep it in motion and growi8ng.

  • gladi’mnotyou

    It certainly can’t be because the people in true control (the ones with the money) can distract the lot of you with all of this drivel so you won’t see them walking out the front door with all the goods. It’s right there in front of you & all you people want to do is chase the mechanical rabbit. Go ahead & give us another chance to laugh at you.

    • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

      Im glad your not me to !

  • Gsharp

    I’d love to see a pole on how many believe Obama was not born in the US.

  • http://personalliberty.com Pam Barker

    I’m a birther and I’m well-educated with a double master’s degree. I’ve read many of the questions surrounding his certificate, his birth place, and his father not being a natural born citizen making him not eligible by founding fathers’ definition. I’ve written Mitch McConnell but he accepts the certificate. I think there are enough questions and enough people who don’t believe he is eligible that someone other than snopes.com should investigate fully.

  • RichE

    Sounds like this boils down to an, ‘S’ as in parents not parent. I’m a bit confused about place of birth, is it relevant? Is the Birther def, both parents citizens at time of birth and place of birth not relevant?

  • joseph foster

    Let’s ponder for one moment why did the founding fathers write in the constitution that a person has to be born in the US in order to run for President. Does a person born in the US makes that person more loyal to America than the one that acquired his citizenship by Naturalization. There are many that are born in the USA and have been found not to be loyal to the US.
    I do not attach any importance to the issue, as to whither Obama was born or not born in the US. George Washington ancestors are English he turned against the country of his ancestors.
    Washington was born on February 22, 1732 in Virginia Colony British America he would be considered not to be born in the USA at birth he would be considered at birth a British subject, yet he qualified in becoming the first President of the US. Did you know that all of the white Europeans that invaded the Land that is now known as the USA are all illegals, had the Indians whose home land was invaded possessed a strong military power they would have repulsed all of the white invaders and today there will be no USA.
    If the founding fathers were writing the constitution to day they would have made many changes to t the original document written over 200 years ago, all of the contents are being interpreted by judges appointed by politicians, if you are a Republican you will appoint a judge that shares your political views same for Democrats.
    If you read the constitution of the USA as written and think you now understand what it said you are wrong you need to read volume and volumes of interpretation handed down by the Supreme Court.
    Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • ehancock

      Re: “Washington was born on February 22, 1732 in Virginia Colony British America he would be considered not to be born in the USA at birth…”

      Not in the USA, of course, but in America. The example of all the other countries that became independent from Britain: Ireland, Canada, Australia, India, Israel, etc.—all shows that the countries considered that the people who were born in that land before it became independent were already Irish, Canadian, Australian, Indian and Israeli, etc–and so did we.

      This quotation from 1803, shortly after the Constitution went into effect, makes it clear.

      “Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)

      So people born in the country were already Natural Born Citizens, and Washington, Adams, etc were all Natural Born Citizens. Who wasn’t? What was the reason for the exception made by the grandfather clause? Alexander Hamilton wasn’t. He was born on the island of Nevis, not one of the original 13 colonies.

      • joseph foster

        The issue of debate is somewhat muddled up by interpretation, the word America applies to the name of the continent of North and south America, a Canadian or Mexican or Brazilian etc. could call themselves American similar to those born in the various countries of Europe that define themselves as Europeans. The fact remains that Washington was born on a continent known as North America, but when he was born he was a British citizen. The issue becomes clear for those that were born after a country was established and named the USA. My ancestors are English I was born in a British crown colony named the Gold coast upon birth my Nationality was citizen of the United kingdom and colonies, later on when I returned to the UK I was still considered a British subject by birth, today I am a British citizen the colonies has been omitted since the country I was born was granted Independence. You need nine judges to untangle such complex issue and I am certain that some may disagree with each other.
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

  • chuckb

    ehancock, you are missing the point here. they will not confirm the birth certificate the bolshevik party produced is a copy of the original, if you want to accept this excuse from the hawaiin registrars office so be it, . “a true an accurate representation”

    WASHINGTON, May 24, 2012 – The “Verification of Birth” letter sent by the Hawaii State Registrar Alvin T. Onaka Ph.D to Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett fails to respond to the fundamental question asked by Mr. Bennett in a March 30, 2012 letter to Hawaii Department of Health officials: Whether or not the image of President Obama’s “long form” Certificate of Live Birth, posted on the White House web site on April 27, 2011 is a “true and accurate representation of the original record in your files”.

    The official whose signature appears on the “Verification of Birth,” as well as the copy of President Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth released by the White House is Onaka who is refusing to talk to Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office (Ariz.) Cold Case Posse investigator Mike Zullo who was on the ground in Hawaii.
    “I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our file”.

    During a forgery investigation, certifying, “information matches” does not address the central and entirely separate issue of a whether a suspicious document is a true copy of an original document. The question remains if a forgery can contain information similar or even identical to that contained in an authentic document, yet still be a forgery.

    Investigators with the Cold Case Posse announced during a March 1, 2012 press conference that, based on forensic evidence as outlined in a video presentation to reporters, there is probable cause the “long form” Certificate of Live Birth posted on the White House website is a forgery.

    the people in the past who claimed to have viewed this document have reneged, irregardless, it looks like the boplshevik party has forged the birth certioficate they presented to the public. that’s the big question! and if it is a forgery, i would say mr. soetoro is in political hot water.

  • ehancock

    Re: “they will not confirm the birth certificate the bolshevik party produced is a copy of the original…”

    Who said that they wouldn’t. And, in fact, what they did in the most recent confirmation was much more important. Bennett sent them a copy of the image of Obama’s long form that was on line. They went down the list of every item on it and confirmed that the facts were exactly the same as in the copy that they have.

    There is a birth certificate in the files in Hawaii. It was issued in 1961 when only children born in Hawaii could get Hawaii birth certificates. The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that it exists, and now they have confirmed that the facts on Obama’s birth certificate are exactly the same as on the copy they have in the files.

    Re Cold Case Posse. They are not exactly impartial are they? They have used WND’s “experts”–who are not exactly impartial either, and who have never even proven that thery are experts. Why doesn’t the National Review, Bill O’Reilly, Ann Coulter and Glenn Beck believe the Cold Case Posse. Because they do not believe that he is really impartial. It is easy for anyone to say “I am an expert, and that is forged.” But no real expert has ever said that. You know that there are recognized organizations of forensic document specialists, and none of the “experts” quoted by WND belong to them.

    Re your claim that “I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our file” is not sufficient. BALONEY. It is the facts that count, and Hawaii has certified that the facts are accurate. Determining whether the image matches is another matter, one that they were not asked, and one that they cannot even do since they are not document experts; they are fact experts.

    However, your claim that the facts are the same but somehow the image is different and that this is a forgery is itself LOONY. Possibly the document was enhanced. Perhaps software changed some of the ways that the letters look. But that is not forgery. And, so long as the facts are the same as in the files, no one is going to give a damn about the ravings of some anti-Obama self-described “experts.” The facts ARE THE SAME.

    AND, the birther story that Obama’s mother went to Kenya to give birth is still crazy.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    There was a time when someone could perhaps justify sitting on the fence on the matter of Barack Obama’s birth certificate.

    There were those on the left who could chalk doubts about its authenticity up to conspiratorial Internet paranoia.

    As for the right, there was every reason to worry about being the victims of an Alinsky-style set-up designed to marginalize opponents. In other words, let the other side double-down on an incredible claim, and then, at the most opportune time (October surprise?), provide irrefutable evidence to the contrary and make them look like deluded wackos.

    So, for a long time, one might have had cause to watch, wait, and let the wheels of investigation render their judgment.

    That judgment is in, and the time for waiting is over.

    With the results of Maricopa County, AZ, sheriff Joe Arpaio’s “Cold Case Posse,” an incredible claim has become an incredible situation: a team of professional investigators, commissioned by a major law-enforcement agency, has determined that the alleged birth certificate produced by the president of the United States is a probable forgery.

    Process that for a moment. The regime of the world’s most powerful nation – a republic that prides itself on adherence to the rule of law – is likely peddling a forged document. What say you, citizen?

    Note that I didn’t claim the president isn’t natural-born. Rather, I claim nothing, but am only stating a fact: there is now no denying that the birth-certificate matter warrants further investigation, and it is time for other law-enforcement agencies and the media to show due diligence.

    And I will spell out the possibilities here:

    1. The Arizona investigators are correct.
    2. They are mistaken.
    3. They are lying.

    For the record, I don’t believe the last for a moment, but I do want to cover all the bases. And home plate is this: the answer may be number one or two, and it’s incumbent upon us to find out through further investigation.

    And, for those who dislike Sheriff Arpaio, what if the answer is three?

    Well, if a major law-enforcement agency is producing fraudulent evidence for the purposes of damaging a sitting president, wouldn’t that warrant investigation, too? The undeniable, irrefutable fact here is that there is smoke. And we need to find out who started the fire.

    In response to these facts the left will sometimes mount an argument for why Obama is, in fact, natural-born. But this issue is at the moment secondary. And about it I will merely state that there are only two possibilities.

    First, if the allegedly forged birth certificate relates to the president’s natural-born status, then it’s clear that the Obama administration is more concerned about that status than are his defenders. And what if it doesn’t relate to whether the president is natural-born? Then it relates to something else.

    You don’t present a forged document for no reason. The undeniable, irrefutable fact here is that there is smoke. And we need to find out what is feeding the fire.

    Remember, too, that document forgery is a crime. If you were found benefiting yourself through it, you’d be prosecuted. Should the president be held to a lower standard?

    In point of fact, on the part of the media and citizenry, he must be held to a higher one.

    We’re not talking here about some kid who forged an ID so he could drink at 18 in a bar. This is the most powerful man in the world, who, it appears, may be passing off a forgery for some mysterious – or not so mysterious – purpose. This mystery needs to be solved.

    Having said this, I wrote “may” for a good reason. There are those who believe, as writer Cindy Simpson put it, that “perhaps someone purposely tinkered with the birth certificate in order to make it look…suspicious.”

    Harking back to my first paragraph, such an Alinskyite tactic would give the right just enough rope to hang itself, especially with our black-hooded media.

    After all, the thinking goes, if this isn’t the case, why would the most powerful man in the world produce such a bush-league forgery? Yet there is another, more mundane explanation.

    Incompetence.

    As I and others have noted, the slackers at the Obama White House are notorious for not even being able to issue press releases with proper spelling and grammar. So would it be shocking that they might be more Inspector Clouseau than James Bond when trying to be the KGB? Having said this, we should proceed with caution, being careful to not overstate our case.

    But we should proceed. After all, consider the consequences of allowing a high crime such as the one alleged here to go unanswered.

    If Obama is willing to fob off a forgery on the American people, what else is he capable of? If he gets away with it, what else will he do?

    Remember that in every case in history in which a leader amassed more power for himself by gradually undermining his nation’s democratic system, he had millions of enablers. These were the crowds Cicero spoke of that cheered “ambitious scoundrel” Julius Caesar as he paved his way to dictator status. These are the “good men” Edmund Burke referred to who do nothing in the face of evil.

    Sometimes, of course, they’re simply scared. Other times, they may not want to seem like a nutty Chicken Little saying the sky is falling. Or they may not want to accept that it actually is, so they rationalize and dress the naked emperor with their eyes.

    After all, when a problem is daunting or scary, the self-delusion that allows one to ignore it can be appealing.

    Most people also don’t want conflict; they may fear a constitutional crisis. But know that if Obama is peddling a forged document, it may simply be another example of how we already are in a constitutional crisis.

    The only question now is whether we’re going to fight the fire or continue to fiddle while the Constitution burns.

    http://selwynduke.typepad.com/selwyndukecom/2012/03/why-obamas-birth-certificate-matters-especially-now.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/timothy.adams.79 Timothy Adams

    “President Barack H. Obama’s long-form birth certificate is not on file at the State of Hawaii Dept. of Health, it simply does not exist.” (Still true today)

    • ehancock

      Re: It does not exist. Who says? You????

      Three officials in Hawaii say it exists. The Index Data says it exists. The birth notices in the newspapers say that it exists. You, on the basis of nothing at all, say that it does not exist.

  • ehancock

    Re: “is likely peddling a forged document. What say you, citizen?”

    I say that it isn’t forged and that no serious leader or journalist believes the posse.

  • Ralph T. Howarth, Jr.

    I have been aware of several more Birther related issues; but first, I take exception to even the pinning of the term “Birther” to those who observe the law vs. those who do not observe the law.

    Aside from whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii, constitutional law requires the parents to be US Citizens. To say otherwise is then to once again amend the US Constitution by popular (or infamous) fiat that requires a president to be a natural born citizen…a particular legal definition. When people go and make an end run on the meaning of legal terms that the Constitution uses, they then are amending the application of the US Constitution without a formal 3/4ths ratification acceptance of such a measure. At present, 3/4ths of the states have never ratified a measure to allow other than natural born citizens to sit as presidents.

    What one point I also find lacking was that Obama’s mother was not yet a five year resident above 18 years of age when Obama was born. This disqualified her from conferring a US citizenship upon her son as she was just yet 18 years old herself. Further, during Obama’s Senatorial bid while running against challenger Allan Keyes, Obama tongue-and-cheek inferred that he was accepted in his home country when accused that he intends to eventually run for the US presidency that the rest of the US will not accept a Kenyan-born senator. But what is often glossed over the most is the 2007 presidential campaign when the Clintons were Birthers too. Competing candidate Hillary Clinton at first contended that Obama was not a natural born citizen; but they dropped that contention after threats were received towards their daughter Chelsea Clinton.

    • joseph foster

      The predominant of the evidence is pointing out that he was born in Kenya. The only way the issue can be resolved is for the matter to be determined by a Federal court that will have the power to subpoena witnesses and documents pertaining to the recording of his birth, hospital records, Doctors or nurses present when he was born an extensive search for the truth that will go all the way to Kenya.
      Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • Elegy

        He may have been born in Kenya, he most likely was, but it wouldn’t have mattered if he was born on the White House lawn, if Obama Sr was his true father, he’s ineligible. Also, he is probably still an Indonesian citizen. The last legitimate document that has been found states he is an Indonesian by the name of Barry Soetoro. We don’t even know this guy’s real name.

  • ehancock

    Re: “constitutional law requires the parents to be US Citizens.”

    Who told you that? It is wrong. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. And it always has. This is not a change in the meaning of the term. This is what it meant when it was written.

    Here is an example of how it was used shortly after the Constitution was written:

    “Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)

    As you can see, the meaning referred to the place of birth, not to the parents. Natural Born Citizens were “those born within a state.”

    And here is how it was used twenty-five years later:

    “Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)

    And here is how it was used in a volume edited by conservative legal scholars and published by the conservative Heritage Foundation a few years ago:

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President….”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    The meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth. There is no mention of parents.

    • http://naver samurai

      You are wrong acording to Minor vs. Happersett 1875. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Neil Swan

        You are wrong.
        Patriots are people who fight for our country. Not people in the patriot hate group. Nor are the religious right who are not for religious freedom. Religious freedom means you can believe in any religion or none.

        Neil

      • http://naver samurai

        You’re wrong Neil. The patriots are not a hate group nor are conservatives. You believe in freedom from religion and not freedom of religion. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.
        Happy Mermorial Day!!!!

    • joseph foster

      I assume you are a legal scholar as I am, I agree with your presentation as to place of birth determines your citizenship it has no bearing on your parents Nationality. American illegals children born in the terriority as defined the USA become automatically US citizens. I am a US citizen my son was born in the UK he became automatically a British citizen he also became automatically a US citizen. I took his birth certificate and evidence of my citizenship to the US Embassy in London and he was issued a US passport. My son now has duel citinenship.
      I hope you take some of the following comments with some sense of humor; All persons that are none natives Indians citizenship is now null and void for the following reason;
      The land was entered by illegal means it was conquered from its local inhabitants, the rules and laws were enacted by the conqueror; The name America and the USA is no longer valid it is hereby declared forthwith all of the conquered land shall be returned to the jurisdiction of the Navajo, Cherokee, and Apache tribe. The Jews have found that their ancestral home land 3000 years ago was Israel; they have now reclaimed that land and changed its name from Palestine to Israel. To this day for the last 60 years the Arabs are contesting that Israel is an illegal state. The same analogy may apply to the USA.
      I was once told by a wise man if you want to live a peaceful life avoid being a politician. I hope Obama takes that advice. Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • http://naver samurai

        The U.S. does not practice duel citizenship. My wife from Korea can tell you that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • joseph foster

          There is a special relation between the USA and Britain and you are allowed to have dual citizenship, as long as your other citizenship is British such privilege did not extend to other Nationalities. Remember the USA before Independence was a British colony most of the founding fathers are English some welsh, some Irish and others Scottish.
          The first president Washington was of English ancestor, he was born before the declaration of Independence and at the time of his birth he was a British subject.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

          • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

            samurai

            Yes it does allow dual citizenship.
            Answer:
            US Law does not restrict its citizens from having multiple citizenships!
            Countries Which Allow Dual Citizenship: Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Cyprus, Egypt, El Salvador, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Israel1, Italy, Jamaica, Jordan, Latvia, Lebanon, Lithuania, Macedonia, Malta, Mexico, New Zealand, Pakistan*, Portugal, Serbia and Montenegro, South Africa*, Spain (only in certain cases), Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Tonga (only in certain cases), Turkey, United Kingdom, United States of America, Western Samoa. •Persons retain their former citizenship if they apply to retain it before taking out Australian citizenship.
            •Iran allows its citizens to hold more than one citizenship. However, it tends recognizes its citizens solely as Iranians.
            •Note that Germany has recently amended its citizenship laws so that in some exceptional circumstances, dual citizenship is now allowed. Consult the German Foreign Office website for details.
            •Also, India announced on 8 January 2002 that it will shortly change its law to allow dual citizenship for Indians settled outside India.

            Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_countries_does_the_US_allow_to_have_dual_citizenship_with_and_which_countries_are_they#ixzz1wHM9S5lC

      • http://naver samurai

        Thanks for the info Coal Miner. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Bimbam

    A birther is someone who believes the negro was born in Hawaii. Somehow the MSM has twisted the term in their always twisted mind backwards.

    Birther – generally an idiot/welfare beneficiary/lazy coveter who believes the negro was born in Hawaii because another idiot told him so.

    • ehancock

      Dream on.

      Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate shows, and the myth that his mother traveled alone at great expense to Kenya when she was late in pregnancy is totally nutty.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        OBAMA’S LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE ADDS PROOF THAT OBAMA IS NOT ELIGIBLE!!!

        Because~ it lists his father as a “Kenyan”, and his Father was NEVER a U.S. Citizen,

        To be a “Natural Born Citizen” BOTH parents MUST be U.S. Citizens at the time of birth.

        His Father was NOT! =Obama NOT eligible.

        Important video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru2XxW6ywas

      • http://naver samurai

        We keep telling him these things, but he keeps lying out his arse. He should look at Minor vs. Happersett 1875. Keep up the good fight fellow patriots. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    This won’t make the liberal media, but if this all finally blows up, they won’t be able to give us the slightest reason why ANYONE should EVER listen to them again.

    Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”.

    When inspecting the “documents” the campaign and administration disseminated, I knew full well they were fakes (and said as much). It will be a great day to see the left and their
    media being dragged into the street for knowingly perpetrating a Constitutional fraud on this country.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46124

    • ehancock

      Re: “Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery …”

      No she didn’t. A birther reporter said that she said it. She did not say it. It has been two months now since that hearing and the transcript is available, and there’s nothing in it that “admits” anything.

      • http://naver samurai

        Care to cite a source or are we just to take your word for it? Another 5th column sheeple. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Obama Long-Form Birth Certificate, Facts, Myths, Questions and common misunderstandings.

    http://obamanotqualified.com/obama-long-form-birth-certificate-fake-forged-forgery.html

    • ehancock

      Dream on.

      Lakin, by the way, did not go to jail because he questioned Obama’s birth certificate but because he disobeyed a legal order to go to Afghanistan where as a doctor he could have helped American troops.

      Not only is the “Kenya birth certificate” that you show forged, it is this forgery:

      http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2099

      In other words, the “Kenyan” document was made using this old Australian birth certificate as the model.

      The notion of Obama’s mother, late in pregnancy, traveling alone (WND has shown that Obama senior was in Hawaii on August 4, 1961) from Hawaii where there are good hospitals, to Kenya, where there was Yellow Fever and bad hospitals, and doing so without any INS record of her leaving the USA or any record of her arriving in Kenya—is absurd. And such a trip would have cost the equivalent in 1961 dollars of around $10,000–which neither Obama’s father’s family nor Obama’s mother’s family had available for such a junket.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    OBAMA – KENYAN BIRTH RECORD.

    READ BELOW UNDER IMAGE, about; SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON
    HAS BEEN SERVED ON THIS MATTER, as it is her responsibility to take action!

    LOOK at the names and titles of the Plaintiffs in the Lawsuit!

    http://www.obamanotqualified.com/obama-kenyan-birth-certificate-kenya.htm

    • $$$$$$

      Fraud but might be great fundraiser for Taitz.

  • Alice W

    WHO KNOWS? It seems there is also some question as to Romney’s father being a US citizen as his own father is reported as giving up his citizenship to move to Mexico, therefore he would not be a citizen to father Romney. Anyone checking this out or are you afraid to find out?

  • chuckb

    ehancock, all your rhetoric about the authenticity of barrys bc is plain bull. you nor any of the people you mention has seen this thing, you are going on word of mouth from people i wouldn’t believe unless i saw it with my own eyes.so you can discount everyone who denies it, but, we are supposed to believe your supposition, no thanks, i have no idea if the published bc is a copy or forgery and neither do you. from everything published about it and the way they describe it it sounds like the document is a forgery and i will continue to believe it is.
    the bolshevik party must be very proud of themselves causing so much controversy when it would have been so easy fpr them to produce the original document. don’t give me the bs that the two they did is proof, who produced the two documents? when hawaii says they don’t allow anyone to look at the origina,. typical (bolshevik) democrat party.operation.

  • chuckb

    ehancock, you and your party can’t even prove barry soetoro was fathered by barack obama sr. i think his mother was knocked up by another man and they used obama’s name then he was adopted by soetoro. and where are all the records of his passport, his social security, etc. the bolsheviks either don’t know or they can’t produce them. in other words he is a bastard and certainly not eigible for the presidency.

  • terris

    Bob, this is nonsense. Obama’s step-grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said that his father was. In fact, the person who interviewed her asked,specifically if it was oir Obama she was speaking of. She said that it was his father.

    As for what other people have to, without documentation, all that is is hearsay, and it is not worthy of anyone paying attention to. Obama has presented his birth certificate to the officials that needed to see it. It was issued by the State of Hawaii. The State of Hawaii has repeatedly stated that the document that O bama presented (and which he did not have to) is his stat certified, state issued birth certificate. The ONLY recourse for those who do not believe it to be true is to prove, with legal documentation, that it is not true. Whispers, rumors and conjecture are not proof. Whatsoever.

    A natural born citizen is someone who is born in the US. Period. Yes, there was a ruling that person who was born in the US, with both parents who were citizen’s, was a natural born citizen. But that doesn’t mean that ONLY those USborn, with US citizen parents, are natural born. In fact, in the case that so many people seem to cling to on this, the Judge stated, quite clearly, that this ruling was for ONLY this cae, and not for all of them.

    The fact is that

    • chuckb

      terris, you and ehancock must be the same person. “all these people claiming that the document of birth is a forgery must be birthers,” you say hawaii issued the original copy of the bc, how can you prove that, . this is nonsense.
      everybody is loose upstairs if they don’t fall in line with the bolshevik party and accept what they present as truth. both forms are different from each other so we just accept it on good faith.
      it really doesn’t make any difference to me where he was born, he may have been born in hawaii, who cares, however, why not produce the actual document, not copies. that’s the whole problem. if hawaii can bend the rules to give out a copy of the bc, wouldn’t it be just as easy to show the original and stop all the accusation ?
      there is something very wrong when there is this much controversy and they keep dangling information that could be true and yet leaves so much doubt.
      in barrys case i think he is a fraud regardless of the bc, everything about this guy is questionable and unprovable.

  • Micha

    The comments bring up a sad reality; The powers that be love to keep us separated. Politics and religion are great tools for control. The Constitution (which we are not under, research Commercial/Admiralty Law) promises us a Republic. Democracy is nothing more than a Corporate Oligarchy with a hint of Communism and a pinch of Socialism. The 14th Amendment made sure we are all slaves. Study law with a Black’s Law Dictionary and get informed…

  • Lucinda

    So I guess the AP was wrong the first time when they published ‘Kenyan Born Obama -All set for US Senate’. June 27, 2004 (or maybe it didn’t pay as much to lie in those days) http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

    • ehancock

      Re the AP saying that he was born in Kenya.

      The answer to that is simple. The AP says that it never wrote it.

  • http://naver samurai

    Remember our veterans this Monday on Veteran’s Day. Let’s never forget who has provided all of us with these freedoms we hold dear. Happy Veteran’s Day from Sook Young and I. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • ehancock

      Monday is Memorial Day. Veterans Day is in November. We should honor veterans on both of them, of course. But Memorial Day is different and should be special. It was created to honor the dead of the Civil War. The war in which, as Lincoln said:

      “Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

      Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

      But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

    • http://naver samurai

      Ooops! I ment Memorial Day. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Doug Rodrigues

    The carefully worded form that the Hawaii Department of Health sent to Arizona was no more proof of Hawaii Birth than that fake birth certificate. Of course, the Obama supporters accept that form as “Proof” of Hawaii birth. Had the Hawaii officials sent a note writen on a scrap piece of paper saying, “Yeah, he was born here,” it would have the same amount of credibility as the “official” form they sent.

    • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts larry

      You have some really great ideas, I really do not need any more proof, I am100% sure
      obonzo is not one of us. I also know the powers that be will never allow the
      truth to be known to the american people.

  • ehancock

    Re: “The carefully worded form that the Hawaii Department of Health sent to Arizona was no more proof of Hawaii Birth than that fake birth certificate.”

    The law is simple, a birth certificate from a state proves that you were born in that state. Hawaii–both Republicans and Democrats–says that Obama has a birth certificate from that state. That is all that is required. For you to prove that both the officials and the birth certificate are lying, you would have to prove that Obama was in fact born somewhere else. And the Kenya story just won’t cut it.

    Moreover, you would have to explain away the Index Data, which has been on file for years and which shows that there is a birth certificate file for Obama. And you have to explain away the birth notices in the Health Bureau Statistics sections of two Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which at the time were only sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii, and at the time the DOH of Hawaii only sent out those notices for births in Hawaii.

    Bennett said this: “They have officially confirmed that the information in the copy of the certificate of live birth for the president matches the original record in their files.”

    And that turns out to be true. The statement from the Hawaii official was “Additionally, I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our files.”

    That means that Hawaii compared item by item the facts on the image and on the original. Was the name of the father the same? Yes. Was the name of the hospital Kapiolani? Yes. Was the date of birth August 4? Yes. ETC.

    In short, Hawaii is saying that Obama was born exactly where his short-form and long-form birth certificates show—in Honolulu, Hawaii.

    And, guess what, Mitt Romney has not even shown his birth certificate, much less have Michigan confirm the facts on it.

  • Elegy

    Let’s be real. Everybody, even Obots, know that Obama is ineligible, he has presented fraudulent documents, and that he was ineligible the instant he was conceived if Obama Sr. was his true father. The sad thing about all of this is that that his supporters simply don’t care. There could be video of the man being born in a Kenyan hut and they would still pretend like there’s no problem.

    The mere fact that they flood pro-Article II websites and articles with their foolishness speaks volumes. If they truly believed there was no merit to any of this, they would pay no mind to it. I wish they would just quit lying and state why they are afraid of this guy being removed, nobody’s buying the “unbelief” anymore.

  • ehancock

    Obama’s documents are not forged. Birther “experts” have claimed that they are forged, and they have not proven their expertise, and they certainly have not shown that they are impartial.

    Obama Senior was indeed his father, as the most recent confirmation from Hawaii shows.

    But the fact that Obama’s father was not a US citizen has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status. That is because the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. So, since Obama was indeed born in Hawaii (not the crazy myth that his mother flew to Kenya), he is a Natural Born US Citizen.

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts larry

      I wouldnt count on it there is a 99% chance the upcoming election will be rigged.
      You may say im crazy but there is oerwhelming evidence that points to this.

      • joseph foster

        America is no longer a Democracy it is now ruled by special interest group an extreme capitalism element that its principal goal is to make money for the elite. All you need is look around some of our major cities that have lost their manufacturing base to China. Wall Street and their accomplice are the winners. We the majority of Americans are the losers. Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

        • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts larry

          Yes very true. the gov, wall street, coroporations have all sold out the
          american working class people. Obonzo has been the one the most
          guilty of this . And all along he has preteneded to be helping the
          workers in our country. Sad to see so many fools that believe
          this imposter. Many efforts have been made to enlighten these poor
          lost souls but they lack the ability to reason.

          • joseph foster

            Obama, Bush, Clinton and Romney are all the same, their agenda is the destruction of the America middle class, they have transferred most of our factories to China for more profits.
            They forget to put at the factory gate a sign closed, moved to China now hiring in China.
            Did you know that over one million garment workers have lost their jobs, those garment factories are now in Bangladesh were they pay the seamstress $35.00 per month with no fringe benefit.
            My book tells it all no news media will want me to open my mouth, because I will never stop talking. I was motivated to write my book because I was mad as hell. The same Destruction is happening in Western Europe. They have reduced our Industrial cities to poverty.
            Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • http://naver samurai

        If you are a scholar, as you say you are, Joseph, then you would know that we are a Constitutional Republic and not a democracy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • joseph foster

          In modern times the simple definition of a republic is a government where the head of state is not a monarch. The term republic is now become redundant although the Monarchy that one’s ruled Britain remains head of state she is without political power she signs all laws passed by parliament whither she agrees to such Laws or not she is a figure head and used as a rubber stamp.
          In a parliamentary system all members of parliament are elected by the people as to the US all members of congress and the senates are also elected by the people including the President. The true meaning of Democracy is when the people elect I have never given any importance to the word Republic, the head of state of Canada is the Queen of the UK it means nothing she has no power to overrule Laws passed by the Canadian parliament, same for Australia and New Zealand.
          The problem with the US system it was developed by the founding fathers out of fear that the Government will become corrupt therefor they developed a system of check and balance that check and balance to day is not working since in my opinion both political parties have now become corrupt. Our Government is not working today it is mired in conflicts.
          The majority of countries have in place a Parliamentary system. The US check and balance cannot prove to the world that they have the best, if they did they will not be the largest debtor Nation on earth, It will not have a Banking system that has caused some Bankers to resort to Gambling, Perhaps they may never have a President that has allowed American manufacturing plants to be relocated to China, perhaps Obama may have never been elected.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

  • chuckb

    ehancock, you sound like the democrat talking points, your assessment means nothing, it’s the same old propaganda the bolsheviks have put out since they produced the fake document in 2008. thw state senator, slom of hawaii, believes they will not show the original because it may show barry was fathered by another man than obama, that is my guess, his mother was a hippie and god only knows who she slept with.
    but, true to form the bolsheviks will keep this charade going until barry is hopefully kicked out in november.
    like i said before, if the bolsheviks and barry were honest they would make an effort to clear up all these accusations by opening up his record to the public and dissenters.
    that shows you what the bolshevik party is. “fraudulent”

    “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital
    record.
    wouldn’t you say the people of the united states have a tangible interest in viewing this document instead of taking the word of partisan bolsheviks.

  • ehancock

    Re: “they will not show the original because it may show barry was fathered by another man than obama, ”

    Hawaii will not show the original because the law in Hawaii says that they only can send out official copies to the people authorized to get them. The law in Hawaii says that they cannot show the original, and certainly not to people who are not on the list of those who are authorized.

    However, Hawaii has once again confirmed the birth certificate, and in the course of doing so in response to the Arizona request the officials in Hawaii stated this:

    “Additionally, I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our files.”

    That means that Hawaii compared item by item the facts on the image and on the original. Was the name of the father the same? Yes. Repeat YES.

    Since no president of the USA has ever shown his birth certificate before, and Obama has twice, and since the officials in Hawaii have confirmed the fact on it, that being members of both parties, and since there is proof that the Hawaii birth certificate exists, and since Mitt Romney has not shown his birth certificate at all, I would say that this is sufficient. If indeed Hawaii did show the original (which is the same as the published long form without the seal and the security paper and without the contemporary conformation by Okubo), birthers would simply claim that it was forged.

    Legally the birth certificate of a state is proof. Obama has shown it, and the facts on it have been confirmed. Romney has not shown it, and no one has confirmed it. Notice the difference?

    • chuckb

      ehancock, you are a waste of time. i wrote the hawaiian law in my last comment it says:

      “There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital
      record.

      now don’t you think under the current circumstances this could be considered a tangible
      interest. of course that would conflict with the bolshevik party’s interest.

      i am not a romney fan, i will be forced to vote for him, however, please note the following, a little more honest than your hero barry.

      Some things to remember in November; surprisingly

      sent from a former Clinton supporter from Hope, AR.!

      · After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar, but never worked as an attorney.

      · As a venture-capitalist, Romney’s first major business deal involved investing in a start-up office supply company with one store in Massachusetts that sold office supplies.

      That company, called Staples, now has over 2,000 stores and employs over 90,000 people.

      · Romney or his company BainCapital (using what became known as the “Bain Way”) would go on to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino’s, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply,

      and many others.
      Got your calculators handy? Let’s recap.

      · Volunteer campaign worker for his dad’s gubernatorial campaign 1 year.
      Got your calculators handy? Let’s recap.

      · Volunteer campaign worker for his dad’s gubernatorial campaign 1 year.

      · Unpaid intern in Governor’s office 8 years.

      · Mormon missionary in Paris 2 years.

      · Unpaid bishop and state president for his church 10 years.

      Took no salary as president of the Salt Lake Olympics 3 years.
      · No salary as MA governor 4 years.

      Gave his ENTIRE INHERITANCE to charity.
      · That’s a grand total of 28 years of unpaid service to his country, his community and his church. Why? Because that’s the kind of man Mitt Romney is.

      And He’ll show you his:

      1) Un-doctored Birth Certificate!

      2) College transcripts!

      3) Law degree!

      4) Un-doctored Draft notice!

      5) & Un-doctored Social Security card, and what state it’s registered in!

      Isn’t it time for a REAL CHANGE?

      A brighter HOPE for America?

      No more downing the opposition?

      Mitt Romney – A True American for President!

      can you prduce anything close to this pertaining to your hero barry soetoro, you don’t know anything about your guy.

      · Unpaid intern in Governor’s office 8 years.

      · Mormon missionary in Paris 2 years.

      · Unpaid bishop and state president for his church 10 years.

      Took no salary as president of the Salt Lake Olympics 3 years.
      · No salary as MA governor 4 years.

      Gave his ENTIRE INHERITANCE to charity.
      · That’s a grand total of 28 years of unpaid service to his country, his community and his church. Why? Because that’s the kind of man Mitt Romney is.

      And He’ll show you his:

      1) Un-doctored Birth Certificate!

      2) College transcripts!

      3) Law degree!

      4) Un-doctored Draft notice!

      5) & Un-doctored Social Security card, and what state it’s registered in!

      Isn’t it time for a REAL CHANGE?

      A brighter HOPE for America?

      No more downing the opposition?

      Mitt Romney – A True American for President!

      • ehancock

        Re: “now don’t you think under the current circumstances this could be considered a tangible
        interest. of course that would conflict with the bolshevik party’s interest.”

        The “law” that you claimed to have shown is not a law, it is a section from a press release that summarizes the law. It says a person with a tangible interest. In fact the law has a list of people and organizations that can qualify to get a copy (only a copy, not the original) of a birth certificate, and the “people of the USA” are not on it. Nor is a sheriff from Arizona.

        And, once again, Romney has not shown his birth certificate at all.

  • Renée

    You know what makes me sad, there are so many people here that have their heads in the sand. Those that are voting or have voted for someone that isn’t supposed to be in “said” office, need to just read what the rules are to hold the office of president for themselves. Don’t take any one else’s word for it. Don’t believe the truth as people state it…DO THE SEARCH YOURSELF!!! Mr. B.O. should NOT be in the office he now holds even if he were born in Hawaii. He holds the office illegally regardless of birth certificate or not. So all of you that are taking a stand that he is or isn’t a citizen, it makes no difference, he is still holding the office illegally because of the fact his father was not born here. End of story, bottom line, that’s all folks!
    In case you don’t know how to do a search I’ll make it a little easy for you.
    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/presrequire.htm

    • ehancock

      If you are referring to the birther legal theory that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the parents of the citizen, you are wrong. The same holds for dual citizen ship at birth. We have had several dual citizens as president including Jefferson and Madison, who were made full voting citizens of France, and Woodrow Wilson and apparently Eisenhower were dual citizens at birth due to the laws of Britain (Wilson’s mother never gave up British citizenship despite becoming a US citizen by marriage) and apparently Grant and Eisenhower (due to old German laws that apply to the offspring of grandparents).

      Birthers and two-fers attempted to get some of the members of the US Electoral College to change their vote to vote against Obama, but not one of them did, and the same holds for the US Congress, which confirmed Obama’s election unanimously. And so far four state courts (Indiana, Georgia, New Jersey and Arizona) and one federal court have ruled on Obama that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined by the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court case and includes every child born in in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats. NO court has ruled for the two-citizen parent theory (not even Minor vs Happesett).

    • Elegy

      Renee, I agree with what you are saying, but the problem is there is a segment of our society that simply do not care that he’s ineligible. You see a couple of them posting comments on this page. They know that the definition of natural born citizen didn’t magically change in 2008 to be the equivalent of a 14th Amendment citizen. They full well know he presented a fraudulent COLB, that he forged his Selective Service Reg, that he is using a fraudulent SSN, and that there is not even a document to prove he’s a naturalized citizen.

      They have placed this man as a god and they have placed him above our Constitution. I don’t understand why, but the idea that anybody could believe this guy is eligible and has not committed felony ID crimes is absolutely impossible. That’s why you see them, literally, spending their entire days on pro-Article II websites spreading misinformation.

      • ehancock

        Re: “They know that the definition of natural born citizen didn’t magically change in 2008 to be the equivalent of a 14th Amendment citizen.”

        To go into some more detail than what huh? said.

        The meaning of Natural Born Citizen has never changed. It referred to the place of birth when the Constitution was written, and it continues to embrace every citizen born in the USA today. The 14th Amendment allowed Blacks to be citizens, but it never changed the definition of Natural Born. That definition comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.

        Here is an example of how the term Natural Born Citizen was used in 1803—shortly after the Constitution went into effect:

        “Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)

        As you can see, the example refers to the place of birth, not to the parents. Natural Born Citizens were “those born within the state.”

        And here is how it was used 25 years later:

        “Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)

        And here is how it was used seven years ago:

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President….”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

        • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts larry

          The only problem is he was not born in the united states or any of its territories.
          He was born in kenya regardless of what his forged birth certificate says.

      • Elegy

        Dude I’m not new to this game, I don’t need to copy and paste crap off of anti-Article II websites. This is stuff people used to learn in high school. NBC has 230 years behind it, you will not find one framer or founder that defined it as the equivalent of a 14th Amendment citizen. Furthermore Minor was decided 6 years after the 14th Amendment was ratified and it was made clear in the decision that NBC was not defined in the Constitution.

        By the way, English common law was never the common law of the US. We are not subjects or owned by the state. But don’t take my word for it:“The common law of England is not the common law of these States.” George Mason, who was present at the Const Convention. If you really are confused about what natural born citizen is, study natural law and you won’t have anymore questions.

    • huh?

      If it were true don’t you think that Congress would have removed him within months of him taking office? this has been kept alive so people have a conspiracy theory to believe in? If it weren’t out there people might focus on other things that the bosses want to accomplish like further tax cuts for the rich and business? Stop being fools and wake up.

      • Elegy

        Are you serious? Congress? No, they aren’t going to do anything, they are well aware of what’s going on, they’ve admitted as such. By their silence, they are every bit as guilty and complicit of the treasonous act that Obama committed.

      • javamann

        “…I could make a better one over the weekend!”
        Just have look at that social security number!

        Yes, he is one of the greatest liers but he had and has a lot of help.
        He certainly couldn’t have done it without Michelle!

        But who is he really?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6tvti9um6k

  • BELIEVER

    i AM NOW CONVINCED BECAUSE HE ATE DOG HE FELL IN LOVE WITH MICHELLE

  • chuckb

    ehancock, says: “The “law” that you claimed to have shown is not a law, it is a section from a press release that summarizes the law.”

    better check back with your talking points, hrs§338-18) is a privacy law, they passed this law in order to keep barrys records untouchable. it was signed by a republican governor.

    why do they go to these extremes in order to protect this complete failure. it looks to me there are loopholes where they can use the courts to force their hand. why do the bolsheviks hide this mans records?

    romney isn’t hiding his records, they are all open,

  • Mimi

    No one has mentioned that Barack Obama’s father was born in Kenya. You don’t have to go any further than that. The eligibility requirements to be president of the U.S. requires both parents must have been born in the U.S.A. We have an imposter in office, and it’s been completely covered up, because he wasn’t properly vetted. The liberals and the media, didn’t let it happen, and they are part of the fraud perpetrated on the American people.

  • ehancock

    Re: “The eligibility requirements to be president of the U.S. requires both parents must have been born in the U.S.A.”

    Who told you that? It is wrong.

    Here is an example of how the term Natural Born Citizen was used in 1803—shortly after the Constitution went into effect:

    “Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)

    As you can see, the example refers to the place of birth, not to the parents. Natural Born Citizens were “those born within the state.”

    And here is how it was used 25 years later:

    “Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”—William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)

    And here is how it was used seven years ago:

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President….”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    Re: “The only problem is he was not born in the united states or any of its territories.
    He was born in kenya regardless of what his forged birth certificate says.”

    Answer: The notion of Obama’s mother, late in pregnancy, traveling alone (WND has shown that Obama senior was in Hawaii on August 4, 1961) from Hawaii where there are good hospitals, to Kenya, where there was Yellow Fever and bad hospitals, at enormous expense (and they were not rich), and doing so without any INS record of her leaving the USA or any record of her arriving in Kenya—is absurd. And the fact that there is a birth certificate showing that she gave birth in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu makes it even more absurd.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages.

      The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

      As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

      The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it.

      The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born.

      I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

      Note the following text—“As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”

      Further clarification—“The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;”

      And the final blow to Barack Hussein Obama—“I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

      The subject of “natural law” found in the Law of Nations is entirely consistent with the Royal British purpose of the term “natural born citizen.” It keeps the family bloodline intact on the basis of the father’s blood, aka “natural law.” It is the source from which our nation’s Founding Fathers entered those words into the US Constitution, under Article II—Section I—Clause V;

      “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”

      Not “native” or “naturalized” or “citizen,” but only “natural born” citizens can hold the office of president.

      A Hawaiian birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama solves nothing, other than curiosity.

      A “certification of live birth” means even less, as it only confirms that a child was indeed “born live”—with no reference as to where that birth took place, or who attended or witnessed that birth.

      Some argue that the XIV Amendment altered the meaning of the term “natural born citizen.”

      “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States;” However, the XIV Amendment makes no mention of “natural born citizen” as it was written to address issues of “immigration” and “naturalization,”—which excludes any redress regarding “native” or “natural born” citizens of the Unites States. In short, “natural born” is the exact opposite of “naturalized.”

      They are two completely different subjects and as we know, “naturalized citizens” cannot hold the office of President, though they are indeed “citizens” with otherwise equal rights.

      As Barack Hussein Obama’s stated birth father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was at no time in his life a citizen of the United States, but rather a British subject and native citizen of Kenya,

      it is not possible for Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to be a “natural born citizen” of the United States.

      It is therefore not possible for Barack Hussein Obama Jr. to be a constitutionally qualified resident of the people’s White House. Does it matter?

      Does the “will of the people” trump the US Constitution via the outcome of an election which happened as a result of fraud, in which the candidate concealed the fact that he is not a “natural born citizen?”

      Only the people can decide…
      But I submit to every American the idea that if Article II—Section I of the US Constitution is no longer worthy of protection and preservation, then nothing in that document matters anymore.

      If we fail to uphold Article II—Section I of the US Constitution, then we have failed to uphold, protect, preserve or defend any part of the US Constitution or the American way of life.

      If the US Constitution no longer stands, then the United States of America no longer
      stands.

      Is there a more pressing issue on the table today?

  • ehancock

    Re: “By the way, English common law was never the common law of the US…”

    The US Supreme Court has ruled six to two (one not voting) in the Wong Kim Ark case (which by the way was after the Minor vs Happersett decision) that the MEANING of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law. That does not mean that the common law has taken charge of the Constitution. It only means that the writers of the US Constitution were using the words the way that the common law does–which was easy to do because, duh, it was common.

    If, as you say, they had changed the meaning of Natural Born Citizen from its meaning in the common law, which referred to the place of birth, to something different, they would have told us. If they had suddenly got the idea: “Hey! Let’s define Natural Born completely differently from how we have been using it all our lives and the way that we have written about it in the past (Adams, Hamilton and others have articles in which they use Natural Born exactly the way it was used in the common law). But let’s not tell anyone about the change”–well, they would not have been the sincere, capable, diligent men that wrote our Constitution.

    The meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law. If it had come from anything else, or was a new idea of the framers, they would have told us.

    For more on US law and common law, see this article:

    http://www.redstate.com/ironchapman/2012/05/24/english-common-law-and-american-law-a-digression/

    • joseph foster

      As a legal scholar you said English common law was never the common law of the US…” You arewrong here are the facts based on my knowledge of American Law.
      The law of the United States was originally largely derived from the common law system of English law, which was in force at the time of the Revolutionary War. However, U.S. law has diverged greatly from its English ancestor both in terms of substance and procedure, and has incorporated a number of civil law innovations. US law comes from four sources, Constitutional Law, Statutory Law, Administration Law regulations, and common law which included case Law. Case Laws remain in both British and American legal system. You hear sometime President will tell the person to be appointed as a supreme court judge that I want you to interpret and not legislate from the bench, judges quite often ignore that and they quite often legislate from the bench. The constitution as written by the founding fathers has over the years been given interpretation beyond what the original writers wrote. To understand the constitution you need to read volume and volumes of interpretation that Judges has made over the period of 200 years. Republican President will appoint a judge based on the Republican way of thinking, the Democrats will also appoint a judge that reflects the Democrats point of view and there lies the problem.
      The British today has no written constitution its legal system protects its citizen civil right far better than the US legal system.
      I as an Attorney could use a case law which is a decision handed down by a judge, the higher the judge the more weight it carries on rare cases I am use a decision handed down by a High court judge in London to support my legal argument.
      American people rightfully so becomes frustrated when they read the original document of the constitution and find our politically appointed Judges has changed the true meaning. My friend I end my comments with the word corruption on both sides of the isle.
      Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • newspooner

        Either you had a bad day when you wrote this or it is just the usual doubltalk drivel of a typical lawyer who is part of the problem. Right and wrong is most often much easier to determine than glorifiers of legal practicioners claim. Government is out of control at all levels.

        • Joseph Foster

          I agree that our Government is out of control at all levels. Our Government for the last 30 years has become corrupt. Please understand the founding fathers are all British some are Lawyers, at the time they wrote the constitution there was no USA nor America, those that were Lawyers used the wording of English law. The word natural born has to be interpreted in the contest of British Law and what it means. Our supreme court quite often refers to English Law as to the meaning of what those that wrote the constitution.
          Let me simply the issue Natural born as defined by English law means a person born on the soil of England or the soil of a colony. That person by birth becomes a natural citizen of the land he was born, parents age is not a factor, parents Nationality is not a factor. It is a factor if the child is born as an example on French soil he acquires a US citizen if one of his parent is a US citizen, the child also acquire French citizen. The only legal issue as to Obama was the birth in Hawaii recorded by fraud. Birth recording by fraud is an easy process.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

  • ehancock

    Re: “I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

    That is from Vattel. That is his opinion. There is no evidence that the writers of the US Constitution followed it. They did not follow his suggestion that every country should have a state religion and force people to join it. They did not follow his suggestion that the press be kept under tight control by the state. There is no evidence that they followed him on the parent idea. If the had, meaning that they used the term Natural Born Citizen to refer to parents and not to the place of birth, they would have told us about it.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      The Constitutional requirement for President is “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be ELIGIBLE to the Office of President;…”

      Note the Constitutional distinction of “natural born Citizen” and “Citizen.” The paramount question is “why would the founders make this distinction if it was not meaningfully important”?

      In the case, Minor v. Happersett (1874), Minor, a woman, wanted to register to vote in the federal Presidential election and was denied registration because of her gender.

      Deliberating this case, the Supreme Court recognized that the Constitutional framers did not define ‘natural born Citizen’ but that they did know its meaning and that it was different from ‘Citizen’ as stated in our Constitution. It was the framers who made this distinction, and the Court rendered unanimously the definition that children born of PARENTS (note the plural) who are citizens are natural born citizens ELIGIBLE for the Presidency.

      The first seven Presidents were ‘Citizens’ of the United States and not ‘natural born Citizens’, yet they qualified for the office (Washington through Jackson); because they were citizens “AT THE TIME OF THE ADOPTION OF [THE] CONSTITUTION!”

      These Presidents had lived through the Revolutionary War, they were patriots, loved our country at the exclusion of Great Britain, and held allegiance to our country as patriots.

      The founders recognized that a ‘natural born Citizen’, being born to ‘Citizen’ PARENTS (plural) would have the same regard and love of country as these founders; at least that was their hope, prayer and intention.

      The founders recognized that congress may define at any time who can become a citizen and how they become a citizen; one only need to begin reading the naturalization acts passed by congress, and include the 14th Amendment.

      These enactments define citizenship and naturalization of citizens BUT NEVER DEFINE THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENT FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

      Though constitutionally distinct and separate there are those who argue that Mr. Obama is both a citizen and natural-born citizen, and thus eligible for the office of President BECAUSE THIS FITS THEIR PREJUDICES.

      The Constitutional citizenship clause does not apply to Obama, is it did to George Washington, because he was not alive and “a citizen of the United States” at the time of the adoption of the Constitution (1785).

      Obama is subject to the “No Person except a natural born Citizen” clause and fails here because his father, at the time of his birth WAS A BRITISH SUBJECT; thus excluding him from ever meeting the natural-born Citizen QUALIFICATION for President.

      Remember, the Supreme Court in 1874 unanimously defined children born of PARENTS (note the plural) who are citizens are ‘natural born Citizens’; and it is these children who are ELIGIBLE to hold the office of President of the United States.

      The case of U.S. v Wong Kim Ark is also used to defend the citizen/natural-born citizen prejudice.

      Wong was the son of Chinese subjects and born in California. At 17, in 1890, he left to visit China.

      Upon his return he passed through the collector of customs and was permitted to land as ‘a native-born citizen of the United States.’

      Wong again left to visit China in 1894, and returning to his homeland (U.S.) “applied to the collector of customs to be permitted to land; and that such application was denied upon the sole ground that said Wong Kim Ark was not a citizen of the United States.”

      In the Wong case (1898) the court addressed the issue of Wong’s citizenship.

      The United States Supreme court rendered a divided decision on the case where the majority found that Wong was a citizen.

      The court DOES NOT address if Wong is a ‘natural-born Citizen’ QUALIFIED to be President of the United States; they left intact the Minor (1874) definition.

      Unlike popular culture, in law there is precedent setting from Stare Decisis (to stand by that which is decided earlier).

      This is a hierarchy of law in that when a judgment is given by the court it is considered superior to future judgments and should be adhered to. Should Stare Decisis be ignored because the outcome does not fit our prejudices?

      Minor v Happersett (1874) defined children born of PARENTS who are ‘Citizens’ are a ‘natural born Citizen’ eligible to hold the office of President, compared to the Wong case of 1898 which addressed Wong’s citizenship, not his qualifications to be President.

      In each case the court addressed two different issues and the Wong case did not strike
      down nor re-define Presidential eligibility.

  • Thinking About

    Kay, let help you just a little, read U S Code title 8, section 1401 to determine what qualifies a person to be a natural born citizen of the US. It only takes one parent and even if a person is not born on US soil they will qualify as a citizen if one parent is a citizen of the US such as John McCain and many more not born in the US. Look at other examples, our military families have children outside the US and those children still qualify as natural born citizens. We need to get past this issue, you can bring to any court your belief of needing two parents to be a citizen and because the officals of the court knows the rules for this you will never win.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      TA, we are talking about someone meeting a very specific criteria in order to QUALIFY FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. This is not the same as granting someone citizenship status in order to become an American citizen for the purpose to enjoy all the rights and freedoms that come with being an American citizen, with the exception, of qualifying for the position of PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!

      How is it that you obama worshippers can’t seem to grasp this? Its rather simple, is it not? Perhaps not simple enough?

  • Dennis

    Who cares where he was born. If his primary goal is to protect our human rights to live where we want, keep what we earned, protect our privacy, and etc. then I don’t care if he was born on Mars. Your squabling about unimportant details.

    • larry

      You win .I have read hundreds of comments concerning this issue
      and your is undoubtably the (DUMMIEST) . All your liberties are being
      threatened by your current gov.

      • lucky123

        Not nearly as ridiculouse as the left wing!

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Who cares?

      Who cares what obama’s intentions may be? His intentions are IRRELEVANT!!!

      What’s at stake, and what you should really care about, is the CONSTITUTION, and not, obama’s intentions. To hell with obama!!!

      If we allow this “Usurper”, obama, and his facilitators to set the precedent, by legitimating /allowing this fraud, which is in DIRECT violation of the Constitution, it will render the Constitution, null an void. How? if only one, law, of the Constitution be ignored, violated, then the rest will surely follow.

      And that is precisely the reason behind this whole “Birther” issue.

      That being; if they can get enough “USEFUL IDIOTS” to clamour for the “ODIOUS ABOMINATION” in the White-House, to overlook the fact that he is not qualified for the Presidency, and to ignore, give no merit to the Constitution, and, if such should become the majority, then WHO, will clamour, WHO, will speak out, or be heard, when the Constitution is ultimately burned? The minority?

      Dennis, you are either very stupid, or a traitor to this country, if you think that this issue is a minor one!

      This is about the destruction of the Constitution, which guarantees our freedom. It is the Constitution that your emperor nero, and his communist cronies wish to destroy; and you stating; WHO CARES”, makes you, as i said, either not particularly bright, a useful idiot, or a traitor.

      I’m hoping you’re just dumb, as being dumb is not a crime! Another words, i’m giving you the benefit of the doubt!!!

      • lucky123

        Judging by the comments he makes this poor fellow is just to plain dumb to blow
        hot soup.

    • http://naver samurai

      OMG soldier, what is your major malfunction? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Renée

      Dennis, do you mind if I ask who YOU are referring to? My understanding is we were talking about Mr. B.O. I don’t recall him having those intentions, at least not what I’ve seen of him so far. You must be thinking of someone else. There can’t be any other reason why you would think what you think. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt this time!

  • Justan American

    Sun Yat-Sen could have been President because he too had a “legitimate” Hawaii birth certificate. Sun Yat-Sen is the man considered the founder of both the Communist Peoples Republic of China and the Nationalist China on Formosa.

    “In March 1904, Sun Yat-sen obtained a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, issued by the Territory of Hawaii, stating he was born on 24 November 1870 in Kula, Maui. Official files of the United States show that Sun had United States nationality, moved to China with his family at age 4, and returned to Hawaii 10 years later.”

    • ehancock

      Re: Sun Yat Sen

      You know what happened between 1904 and 1961 when Obama was born? More than 50 years passed.

      Things do change. Although Hawaii gave Sun Yat Sen a birth certificate in 1904, for political reasons–in order to keep him alive—by the way, there is no evidence that Hawaii gave birth certificates indicating birth in Hawaii to people born outside of Hawaii in 1961.

  • jimbo

    Definition, “Birther” – A Obama supporter who stubbornly refuses to believe the president was born outside the country despite the overwhelming evidence for it.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Brilliant!!!! Right on the D.O.T!

      • Thinking About

        Jay is it a possibly one is an American citizen? If this is true then you are considered a natural born citizen and it does not change this fact even if you was born on other than American soil. This is a fact, or maybe you are not a citizen of the USA.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        TA, maybe you no think so good. Again, we are talking about the Presidency of the United States of America, and who, qualifies! Obama, does NOT, qualify! Off course he’s an American citizen, but, he is not a “Natural Born Citizen”! It matters not if he is the smartest, richest, nicest, fastest, fattest, strongest, best looking, and the best intentioned person in the world; HE, IS NOT, QUALIFIED TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! PERIOD!

      • joseph foster

        Based on the excellent information provided and the explanation made as to the Law pertaining to US citizen, Obama is qualified as a US citizen and meets the legal requirement of the constitution. The only remaining issue which is not resolved was he recorded to have been born in Hawaii by fraud. The issue as to fraud has not been adjudicated since there is some conflicting information submitted by some in Kenya that he was born in Kenya.
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • Thinking About

        On this one it is not my thinking, let me make this easy for you. Obama’s mother was a citizen. If you will read US Code Title 8, Section 1401 you will learn what factors defines a “natural born citizen”. IT ONLY TAKES ONE PARENT TO BE A CITIZEN. You can continue to argue this two parent all you want and you will still be wrong.

        • joseph foster

          I agree with your comments here is factual evidence as it relates to myself.
          I am a US citizen residing in the UK on business; my wife is a British citizen and not an American citizen. My son was born in the UK upon birth he acquired dual citizenship British and American.
          I took his British birth certificate and my US passport to prove my citizenship to the American Embassy in London and they issued my son with a US passport, he acquired his citizenship through me as the father. If I was a British citizen and my wife was a US citizen the same rule will apply. If both parents are not US citizen and the child is born in the US that child will become automatically a US citizen.
          Many of the audience do not want to accept the legal facts as presented, and want to remain in a state of self denial.

          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • http://naver samurai

        Joseph and not Thinking About, there is a difference of what you speak. A U.S. Citizen and a Natural Born Citizen are not the same. Look at Minor Vs. Happersett 1875. It clearly states that a child born of parents who are citizens of that country. What more proof do you need? Second, since Obama bin Laden’s mother was under 21 at the time of his birth, she was not old enough to pass her citizenship onto her son. A child cannot pass her citizenship down to her own children as you must be an adult (21). Joseph, for being a legal scholar you have some misconceptions of our founding, settling, citizenship, and the Constitution. I ask you to study more than you have. Also, since you study as a legal person, this is where you make your mistake. As our country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Biblical law taken directly from the Old and New Testiments. Our laws based on the 10 Commandments (If you don’t know that one, then you know nothing about our founding.). And a deep, rich belief in nature and nature’s God. Try to study more before responding. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • joseph foster

          My friend your knowledge is not based on solid legal ground, the issue as to natural birth has been miss construed by those that do not have knowledge of the US legal system and the constitution. If what you have said is the legal issue Obama Birthier matter will today be litigated in Federal courts.
          The Wong Kim Ark case, which was after Minor vs. Happersett and hence would have overturned it (if Minor vs Happersett was a ruling, which it was not. It was what lawyers call “dicta”) ruled that Wong was a US citizen. And it ALSO defined Natural Born. It did both of those things. Here is its definition of Natural Born: “It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born. III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.” That says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law–therefore NOT from Vattel. And it says that the meaning of Natural Born refers to the place of birth. Blackstone confirms this. The fact that the Americans at the time of the Constitution used the term Natural Born Citizen in the way that it was used in the common law is confirmed by the Tucker quotation, which is above. Now for a bit of logic. Remember syllogisms? Remember the common example? If all men are mortal, and George is a man, George must be mortal. Well if EVERY child born in the USA (except for the children of foreign diplomats) is Natural Born, and Wong Kim Ark was born in the USA and is not a child of foreign diplomats, then Wong Kim Ark must be Natural Born. And the court also declared that he was a US citizen due to the 14th Amendment. He was therefore both Natural Born and a US citizen—-a Natural Born US Citizen. Re: the difference between an ordinary citizen and a Natural Born Citizen. There is a difference and an important one, one that the founders wanted to make. The broad category of citizen includes naturalized citizens. The narrow category of Natural Born Citizen does not include naturalized citizens. The founders therefore excluded two kinds of people by insisting on Natural Born Citizen: (1) They excluded everyone who was not a citzen; and (2) they excluded everyone who was naturalized. But they did not say that the US-born children of foreigners were not US citizens or that they were not Natural Born. Birthers think that there must be something wrong with this. In doing so, they forget their conservative principles. Under the principle of strict construction if a law or the Constitution does not actually say something, it does not mean something that it does not say. And the Constitution certainly does not say “two citizen parents.” (It doesn’t even say “one citizen parent.”) And there is evidence that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, and there is no evidence that the meaning comes from Vattel and refers to parents. That is why when birthers and two-fers tried to get the members of the Electoral College to change their votes to vote against Obama, not one did: not one single vote was changed. And that is why when birthers and two-fers tried to get the members of the US Congress to vote against against Obama’s confirmation, not one did. And there have been four state courts that ruled specifically on Obama that the meaning of Natural Born was defined by the Wong Kim Ark case and includes all US citizens born in the USA. And there have been numerous other cases that have ruled the same thing about the US-born children of foreign parents. For example: Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US): “Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.” And: Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US): “Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.” What made the third child different from her siblings? Only that she was born in the USA. Oh, and there have been NO cases, not even Minor vs Happersett, that have ruled that two US parents are required to be Natural Born. If you look closely at the Minor vs Happersett quotation–which is the only mention in the case, unlike the long discussion in Wong Kim Ark–it says that it was never doubted that if your parents were US citizens and you were born in the USA you were a Natural Born Citizen. But that does not say that both are REQUIRED. It was never doubted that if you wear both suspenders and a belt your pants will stay up. But both are not required. In any case, the Wong Kim Ark ruling was AFTER Minor vs Happersett, and it said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law, and that that meaning includes every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats. That is why Meese had this in his book: “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President….”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

  • ehancock

    The Wong Kim Ark case, which was after Minor vs Happersett and hence would have overturned it (if Minor vs Happersett was a ruling, which it was not. It was what lawyers call “dicta”) ruled that Wong was a US citizen.

    And it ALSO defined Natural Born. It did both of those things.

    Here is its definition of Natural Born:

    “It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

    III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”

    That says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law–therefore NOT from Vattel. And it says that the meaning of Natural Born refers to the place of birth. Blackstone confirms this. The fact that the Americans at the time of the Constitution used the term Natural Born Citizen in the way that it was used in the common law is confirmed by the Tucker quotation, which is above.

    Now for a bit of logic. Remember syllogisms? Remember the common example? If all men are mortal, and George is a man, George must be mortal. Well if EVERY child born in the USA (except for the children of foreign diplomats) is Natural Born, and Wong Kim Ark was born in the USA and is not a child of foreign diplomats, then Wong Kim Ark must be Natural Born. And the court also declared that he was a US citizen due to the 14th Amendment. He was therefore both Natural Born and a US citizen—-a Natural Born US Citizen.

    Re: the difference between an ordinary citizen and a Natural Born Citizen. There is a difference and an important one, one that the founders wanted to make. The broad category of citizen includes naturalized citizens. The narrow category of Natural Born Citizen does not include naturalized citizens. The founders therefore excluded two kinds of people by insisting on Natural Born Citizen: (1) They excluded everyone who was not a citzen; and (2) they excluded everyone who was naturalized. But they did not say that the US-born children of foreigners were not US citizens or that they were not Natural Born.

    Birthers think that there must be something wrong with this. In doing so, they forget their conservative principles. Under the principle of strict construction if a law or the Constitution does not actually say something, it does not mean something that it does not say. And the Constitution certainly does not say “two citizen parents.” (It doesn’t even say “one citizen parent.”) And there is evidence that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, and there is no evidence that the meaning comes from Vattel and refers to parents.

    That is why when birthers and two-fers tried to get the members of the Electoral College to change their votes to vote against Obama, not one did: not one single vote was changed. And that is why when birthers and two-fers tried to get the members of the US Congress to vote against against Obama’s confirmation, not one did. And there have been four state courts that ruled specifically on Obama that the meaning of Natural Born was defined by the Wong Kim Ark case and includes all US citizens born in the USA. And there have been numerous other cases that have ruled the same thing about the US-born children of foreign parents. For example:

    Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):

    “Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”

    And:

    Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):

    “Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”

    What made the third child different from her siblings? Only that she was born in the USA.

    Oh, and there have been NO cases, not even Minor vs Happersett, that have ruled that two US parents are required to be Natural Born.

    If you look closely at the Minor vs Happersett quotation–which is the only mention in the case, unlike the long discussion in Wong Kim Ark–it says that it was never doubted that if your parents were US citizens and you were born in the USA you were a Natural Born Citizen. But that does not say that both are REQUIRED. It was never doubted that if you wear both suspenders and a belt your pants will stay up. But both are not required.

    In any case, the Wong Kim Ark ruling was AFTER Minor vs Happersett, and it said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law, and that that meaning includes every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats.

    That is why Meese had this in his book:

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President….”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    • joseph foster

      Based on the excellent information you have provided and the explanation made as to the Law pertaining to US citizen, Obama is qualified as a US citizen and meets the legal requirement of the constitution. The only remaining issue which is not resolved was he recorded to have been born in Hawaii by fraud. The issue as to fraud has not been adjudicated since there is some conflicting information submitted by some in Kenya that he was born in Kenya.
      Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/16

      • Thinking About

        It does not matter if he was born in Hawaii or not, his mother was a citizen and by the US Code Title 8, Section 1401 qualifies him to be a natural born citizen because of this reason. If you was born while your parents was in the military or working for a US company in some other country than US or its territories, you would still be a natural born citizen as was John McCain and Mitt Romney as his father was born in Mexico but his father also ran for president and qualified because his parents was citizens of the US. These are only two examples, there are more.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Barack Obama is not a legal U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between December 24, 1952, to November 13, 1986.

        Federal Law requires that the office of President requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents. This is what exempts John McCain, though he was born in the US Panama Canal Zone.

        US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

        Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born.

        This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama’s birth, but-after-age-16.

        In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship.

        At most, 2 years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to be a natural-born citizen.

        Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only U.S. Citizen parent.

        Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen . . but that would disqualify him from holding the office.

        The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President.

        Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.

        Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia.

        This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law.

      • http://naver samurai

        Ehancock, Thinking About, and Joseph are wrong, but continue to spout unfounded nonsense. The subject here is not a U.S. citizen, but a natural born citizen. Both parents need to be citizens of the country the child is born in for the child to be considered natural born. This is according to Minor vs. Happersett. Also, since you have to be 21 in order to pass citizenship down to their children, his mother was too young to perform this act. Care to cite sources and facts to back up what you are saying? Joseph, this site is for debating or discussion on a topic and not for book sales. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • joseph foster

          Books add to our knowledge for the past one thousand years. Those that support Tyranny burn books.
          My book is for those that Stand up for America, the topic of Birthier is not covered; its theme is stop the Destruction of the middle class and stop transferring our manufacturing to China to elevate the bottom line of Corporate America. .

      • Thinking About

        Samurai, nonsense is by those claiming both parents needs to be citizens since it is stated in simple terms in US Code Title 8, Section 1401. Besides this there have been seven (7) presidents who have served who did not have parents who were citizens. Just in the case currently, Mitt Romney’s father was born in Mexico and George Romney also ran for president. Because George Romney’s parents was American citizens, he was a natural born citizen. These are the facts, you can spend all the money and go to courts for the rest of your life and since courts deals in true facts it will not change the fact Obama is a citizen.

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong answer Thinking About. Since Minor vs. Happersett has not been overturned, it tells a natural born citizen must be born of parents who are citizens of the country of the childs birth. Enough said. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • joseph foster

          Stop getting confused your knowledge based on Minor vs. Happersett is no longer valid a further interpretation has made that decision is now null and void. It has been over turned sorry to disappoint you my facts to the Law is based on the extensive writing by the Attorney General of the US appointed by President Reagan. As to me please note I do not support Obama I am a great fan of President Reagan.
          Amercing none legal scholars read the constitution based on American English and become muddled up in understanding, the founding fathers used English legal language as used in England, at the time there was no America nor USA.
          As a legal scholar there appear to be some confusion and interpretation that are not valid as to the issue of Natural born by many that have commented on the issue of birthier.
          The founding fathers are all British and they used the legal language of England to write the constitution, it was written before there was a country known as America or a country known as USA.Supreme Court judges in interpretation will quite often refer to English legal language.
          George Washington the first President of the US or America is not a natural born US citizen when he was born he was a British subject. He was born in the year 1772 before the declaration of Independence.
          Over 300 years in English Law Natural born means the person is born on the land and country where the birth took place, example he was born in England he is now a Natural born British citizen, and the parents need not be British. During Washington birth which occurred in Virginia it was a British Colony. Religion is not a factor. The age of the parents is also not a factor.
          Another example child born in France or England his father or mother are US citizen that child by birth will be French and a US citizen. If born in England he would be a US and British citizen. As to Obama the real issue was he born in Hawaii or Kenya, If Kenya he would acquire US citizen through his mother, his father was not a US citizen. The question to be asked was Obama recorded as born in Hawaii by fraud.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    It is now the patriotic duty of individual states to rescue the United States.

    Before the 2012 election, we must push our state legislatures to pass laws requiring Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates to prove that they are natural born citizens i.e. born in the United States, of citizen parents at the time of birth, in order for them to appear on the state ballot.

    By publicly releasing his long-form birth certificate, Obama has officially announced that he is not a natural born citizen and is arrogantly challenging the legitimacy of the Constitution.

    Not surprisingly, the political elites and the main stream media (MSM) seemed unanimously elated after the release of his alleged long-form Certificate of Live Birth.

    Both the Republicans and Democrats in Washington, D.C. insist that we should put the issue of Obama’s eligibility behind us, so they may focus on the “more serious” issues facing the country.

    First, there is no more important issue for the country than the integrity of the Constitution. Without it, the federal government is null and void and the rule of law is undermined.

    Second, the political elites want to move on because they have been complicit in a flagrant contravention of the Constitution, the Founders intent and judicial precedence by substituting political fiat for the legal processes involved in amending the Constitution.

    The political elites and the MSM have always known that they were promoting an infringement of the Constitution by protecting Obama.

    Facts are stubborn things.

    For the first time in US history, an individual, who is not a natural born citizen, was knowingly elected President of the United States.

    Sadly, I do not remember a time when there has been such a collection of fools and scoundrels populating the federal government and the MSM as there has been in recent years.

    In my opinion, it is useless to petition Congress about Obama’s ineligibility. They have dishonored their oaths of office to support and defend the Constitution. They are frightened and they will do nothing because they all share the blame for the Constitutional crisis in which we now find ourselves.

    Article II, Section I of the Constitution requires that a person be a natural born citizen to be eligible for the Presidency.

    The Constitution does not say “citizen”, but specifically combines the legal concepts of jus soli (right of the soil) and of citizen parents, jus sanguinis (right of blood). It was intentionally designed by the Framers to prevent a President from having dual allegiance.

    The authors of the Constitution no doubt based their understanding of the term “natural born citizen,” on the 1758 book “The Law of Nations” by Emerich de Vattel, who wrote:

    “… natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. … children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. … The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children…”

    The narrative of the 14th Amendment is also consistent with the Framers intent regarding dual allegiance and natural born citizenship.

    Representative John Bingham, author of the 14th Amendment, defined natural born citizenship:

    “It means every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of our Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

    The underlying issues within those Congressional debates were hotly contested. Yet Bingham’s definition of natural born citizen was never challenged on the floor of the House of Representatives.

    Supreme Court cases supporting the natural born citizen definition of born in the US of citizen parents include:

    The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
    Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
    Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
    United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
    Duncan v. Louisiana, 391 U.S. 145 (1968)

    In September 2008, Lawrence B. Solum, the John E. Cribbet Professor of Law at the University of Illinois College of Law, published an article in the Michigan Law Review entitled “Originalism and the Natural Born Citizen Clause”, which stated:

    “What was the original public meaning of the phrase that establishes the eligibility for the office of President of the United States? There is general agreement on the core of its meaning. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States is a natural born citizen.”

    Despite the intentional distortions continuously disgorged by the MSM and the willful ignorance displayed by the political elites, there is no ambiguity. Obama is not eligible for the Presidency.

    • joseph foster

      You present a good argument that Obama is not qualified to be President based on his birth certificate. My questions why not allow the Federal court to decide the issue.
      To my knowledge as a legal scholar if you are born in the US and both of your parents are not US citizen you became a US citizen. If a person is born outside the US and the father is a US citizen that child becomes a US citizen. The question now being raised by some is in order to qualify to run for President you must be born in the US and both of your parents at the time of your birth has to be US citizen; however as to Obama his father at the time of his birth was not a US citizen.
      The congress and the senate are aware of this fact and have thus far accepted Obama as a qualified US citizen and is eligible to be President.
      Please note the constitution as written by the founding fathers is changing each year by interpretation by judges appointed by both political parties. I predict in the next 100 years the entire meaning of the words written by those that wrote the constitution will be changed by Judges, in time every Law passed will be held to meet the requirement of the constitution.
      My suggestion is abolish the entire document and rewrite same to make the wording clear.
      Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        In your opinion, Mr. Foster; is the Constitution being changed/revised for the purpose to bring a more contemporary meaning/understanding of said document, or, is it being revised/changed to fit someone(s) specific, self-serving prejudices?

        • joseph foster

          My response is the latter.
          The constitution is being destroyed by interpretation, judges are appointed by both political parties each party selects a judge that thinks like them.

  • JON

    Obama is an American citizen. He was born in Hawaii. GET OVER IT!
    He is the President. He will be reelected. DEAL WITH IT!

    • lucky123

      B.S.

      • JON

        You’re full of what?!?

      • http://naver samurai

        Ah yes, I see Jon (Kang) has returned with his normal 5th column strategy of the personal attack. This due to hia lack of knowledge about the subject at hand. If Obama bin Laden is re-elected as the COOTUS, this country is doomed. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Chuck Athas

    IT’S THE PROCESS

    The birth certificate, though highly suspect, is a distraction from the real problem. To keep us, our Country and citizens, from going through another 4 years of constant debate the PROCESS needs to be changed. Currently the Political Party vets its own candidate and certifies to the Federal Election Committee their candidate is qualified for the office of the President. The following process insure a candidate is qualified using a common interpretation of the Constitutional requirements and provides the Citizens the transparency warranted for the person running for the highest office in our government.

    1. The U.S. Supreme Court shall to clearly define the qualification requirements contained in Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution as intended by the Founders.

    2. The Federal Election Committee or a Congressional appointed committee/panel needs to be convened to publically review the documentation and validate each candidate’s qualifications for President.

    3. The Supreme Court shall receive the panel’s findings and certify each candidate meets the Constitutional requirements for President.

    4. If a candidate invokes the Privacy Act and will not provide the necessary documentation for public inspection they should immediately be disqualified to run for President of the United States.

    Continue the investigations and effort addressing the current President but change the PROCESS now for the 2012 elections.

    • joseph foster

      Good idea, but it will never be adopted. The issue as to Obama birth certificate has not been allowed to be heard by Federal courts. You could record a person birth place to be in America even though he or she was not born in the USA. The system of birth recording does not prevent fraud. Based on my knowledge of the system If you were born in Zulu land, I could record you being born in one of the State.
      Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • lucky123

        Amen- the congress and the courts do as they please-not as the
        constitution says.

      • Chuck Athas

        I agree that changing the Process is a monumental undertaking but If enough Citizens write their Senators and Representative demanding they take action or they will be replaced it can happen. The biggest problem is getting traction with the public to support a change. Obama was able to accomplish this without telling the voter what “change” he was proposing. Conservatives should be able to marshal forces behind a specific Process in qualifying the candidates for President. The risk of course is we may not like how the SCOTUS defines the Constitutional requirements but the plus is they will be the same for all candidates and the public will know the ground rules.
        The need for immediate action in this area was recently demonstrated May 2012 by Michele Bachmann’s announcement that she had written the Swiss consulate to have her Swiss citizenship withdrawn, something she knowingly had automatically acquired under Swiss law when she married her husband in 1978. Though I was personally very supportive of her conservative positions I now find it unfathomable that she would have run for President, collected millions of dollars from supporters, and assembled thousands of individuals volunteering a vast number of hours in backing her campaign knowing that her ALLEGIANCE to the U.S. would be in question. This would plunged us down a path similar to the one we have traveled with the current President had she been elected.
        Likewise depending on the outcome of the many court cases we may learn Mitt Romney is not qualified for President in some states as he was born in Mexico, Marc Rubio is not qualified as his parents were not citizens when he was born in Florida,
        I support all the efforts underway to truly vet our current President but unless we change the Process now the future continues to be open to the threat of losing our country to an imposter, maybe next time from a Republican, Independent, etc. We cannot sit back and say in will never happen, we the citizens must make it happen.
        Thank you for your untiring fight to right a big wrong….

  • ehancock

    Re: “some conflicting information submitted by some in Kenya that he was born in Kenya.”

    There is absolutely no evidence that Obama was born in Kenya or that his mother arrived there in 1961. A grand total of 63 people from American went to Kenya in fiscal 1961. Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said in the taped interview that he was born IN HAWAII.

    Your claim that Hawaii would record your birth in Hawaii 1961 despite you being born somewhere else turns out to be false. They insisted on proof whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, and Obama’s long form–whose facts have been repeatedly confirmed by both Republican and Democrat officials in Hawaii–says that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu.

    The notion of Obama’s mother, late in pregnancy, traveling alone (WND has shown that Obama senior was in Hawaii on August 4, 1961) from Hawaii where there are good hospitals, to Kenya, where there was Yellow Fever and bad hospitals, and doing so without any INS record of her leaving the USA or any record of her arriving in Kenya—is absurd. And the fact that there is a birth certificate showing that she gave birth in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu makes it even more absurd. Oh, and there were no direct flights from Hawaii to Kenya, so she would have had to have traveled half way around the world.

    • James

      I have a copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate. It was obtained, in Kenya, by Lucas Daniel Smith on February 19, 2009, in Mombasa, Kenya. His affidavit to tht effect states that “I had to pay a cash ‘consideration’ to a Kenyan military officer on duty to look the other way, while I obtained the copy of the birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama.” Mr. Smith signed his affidavit on September 3, 2009, and his affidavit and a copy of the birth certificate was attached to the lawsuit Dr. Orly Taitz, Attorney-at-law, filed in the United District Court For The Central District of California, Santa Ana (Southern) Division.

      • ehancock

        Re: “I have a copy of Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate. It was obtained, in Kenya, by Lucas Daniel Smith on February 19, 2009, in Mombasa, Kenya.”

        Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed to have gotten that birth certificate in Mombasa, Kenya. But Lucas D.Smith has been repeatedly asked to prove that he had gone to Mombasa, Kenya—-which would not be a big deal to prove if indeed he had gone there. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to provide the proof that he went there. Moreover, the “birth certificate” that he showed used US date formats, not Kenyan ones, and misspelled the names of several of the officials.

      • James

        Ehancock, I wasn’t aware that the Kenyan birth certificate had been challenged. Can you provide any links to that info?

  • RANDY

    I STILL HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHY OUR FBI OR SECRET SERVICE HAVE NOT INVESTIGATED THIS PROBLEM SINCE THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO DO SO. OH COULD IT BE THAT THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH HAS PUT THE BRAKES ON THEIR INVOLVMENT

    • James

      Do ya think?

      • joseph foster

        Both Agency heads are appointed by President Obama
        Joseph Foster.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        You are absolutely correct, Mr. Foster!

        • joseph foster

          If the question relates to Obama citizenship I could not say I am absolutely correct, such complex matter should be adjudicated by the highest court in the land and all the evidence needs to be presented. To my knowledge the recording of birth is not 100% free of fraud, as to my son born in the UK and I being the father a us Citizen, he was granted US citizenship by the US Embassy in London.
          I have never in my book mentioned the Birthier issue, my book relates to the De Industrialization of America and our flawed trade policy that favors the hiring of Chinese for high profit and the destruction of the American middle class.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

  • ehancock

    Re: “I STILL HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHY OUR FBI OR SECRET SERVICE HAVE NOT INVESTIGATED THIS PROBLEM…”

    The answer is that you do not know that they did not investigate Obama’s alleged birth in Kenya and found, duh, that he was not born in Kenya. There are reports that the Bush Administration did indeed investigate the allegations–which is what it should have done–and that it found that there was no problem. Who do you think the Bush Administration asked to check? Why everybody of course. The FBI, the CIA, the INS, the State Department. All of them were under the Bush Administration at the time and none of them seems to have found evidence that Obama’s mother went to Kenya in 1961–much less gave birth there.

  • jim carter

    It has been said by many folks that obama is a failed president. Not so, if you think that a muslim has the best interest of the U.S as a core value, you should not be allowed to vote. If, however, you realize that obama is “hell-bent” upon destroying (in every way possible) the U.S. (as any good muslim would do), then you are capable of expressing a rational opinion. He has been very efficient at this goal.

    He considers non-muslims to be worthy only of death. (as the koran states)

  • http://godsfingers.wordpress.com godsfingers

    What really amazes me, well, maybe not, is that there is no honor among thieves. Liberals, famous for hijacking the English language, can’t even keep honor amongst themselves with their slurs and hate language. Before all the BO birthers was a hate slur against those opposed to homosexual marriage that used the argument that homosexuals can’t reproduce.

    Wow, I’m a birther on so many planes……

    • lucky123

      you have to be kidding right !

      • http://godsfingers.wordpress.com godsfingers

        No, where have you been, in a closet.? Birther was used quite often to hate/slur heterosexuals before BO filled the White House.

        • lucky123

          Sorry I dont get your point. But Im 100 % sure obonzo is without
          a doubt the worst president that america has ever seen, and he
          is definately not one of us. I can not see how anyone could
          possibly support this complete fraud.

          • http://godsfingers.wordpress.com godsfingers

            You’re correct about BO being the worst of the worst. The point was making is the Liberal’s hijacking of the English language. Like the birther slur the corollary is the use of gay. I’m a gay man, by definition, but I’m not homosexual by any stretch. The fact is there are very few gay homosexuals. But can I walk around saying I’m gay (fun, lively, spirited)? No. Because the liberal’s and their media friends have perverted English. The bottom line with the “birther” issue is, when asked to release the document years ago, from the source not a news release, he refused, unlike the other candidates, and for my opinion, he buried himself. Anything else subsequent is just using and abusing the enormous power of the office to dig up and hide the truth.

          • lucky123

            Well you know what your point is. Doesnt matter if I do or not have a nice day.

          • http://godsfingers.wordpress.com godsfingers

            Thank you. No personal hostility was meant to be directed at you, I hope you didn’t take it that way.

    • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

      godsfingers,
      http://www.todayifoundout.com/…/how-gay-came-to-mean-homosexual/
      Feb 25, 2010 – Today I found out how ‘gay’ came to mean ‘homosexual’. The word gay seems to have its origins around the 12th century in England, derived from the Old. … What is the Origin of the Phrase “Caught Red Handed

      • http://godsfingers.wordpress.com godsfingers

        Ooops! Spewed my coffee all over the screen on that one…….

  • ehancock

    Re: “he bottom line with the “birther” issue is, when asked to release the document years ago, from the source not a news release, he refused…”

    He did no such thing. Obama showed the official birth certificate of Hawaii, the short form, in 2008. Under Hawaii regulations that is the only birth certificate that Hawaii currently issues. It is used by thousands of people every year to get their US passports. In 2011, Obama asked Hawaii for a special exception to the law so that he could show his long form birth certificate as well. They agreed and sent it to him. He showed the physical copy of it (with the seal on the back, where it is supposed to be) and put the image of it online. He has now shown both his short form birth certificate and his long form birth certificate. Officials in both parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on Obama’s birth certificate.

    In contrast, Mitt Romney has not shown his birth certificate at all.

    • RichE

      Ehancock,
      I’ve enjoyed your posts regarding the, ‘Birther’ issue. Do you have the ‘birther’s’ definition for, ‘natural born citizen’. I believe it to be both parents U.S. citizens at time of birth and place of birth is not relevant.

      thanks

      • ehancock

        Re the “birthers’” definition of Natural Born Citizen. Yes, that is what they say, but that is not the fact.

        The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, not the parents.

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

        Moreover, his view was not alone:

        “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

        “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

        In fact, birthers and two-fers tried to convince the members of the US Electoral College of the parents requirement, and not one member changed her or his vote out of the belief that two citizen parents required. Not one. And four state courts and one federal court have now ruled specifically on Obama’s case that the US Supreme Court defined the meaning of Natural Born Citizen in the Wong Kim Ark case and that it said that the meaning comes from the common law and that it includes every citizen born in the USA.

        • RichE

          It seems you have an air tight case for Obama’s presidential eligibility. It’d be nice if this issue could be put to bed.

  • Jessy

    Anyone seen a birth certificate for Romney yet? If you demand papers from one then you must demand papers from all. After all I have to prove who I am before I can vote now.

    • RichE

      Jessy,
      If the birther def of both parents is used then it would be Romney’s parents certificates not Mitt’s.

    • http://godsfingers.wordpress.com godsfingers

      Have you asked him for one? Been refused? If not then your posting is quite disingenuous….

      • ehancock

        Have you asked Obama to show you his birth certificate and been refused?

        The fact is that Obama has published his birth certificate twice and the officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on it. Romney has not published his birth certificate at all, and the officials in Michigan have not confirmed the facts on it.

        • RichE

          Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the Birther def requiring both parents citizens require proof of citizen papers for both parents and nobodies birth certificate? In that if both parents are citizens at time of birth then offspring is natural born citizen regardless of place of birth.

        • http://godsfingers.wordpress.com godsfingers

          nice straw man attempt but you need to work harder in answering your own question. Both “published” certificates were clearly photoshopped. Hawaii confirming their contents is meaningless given that BO gave Hawaiian nationals their sovereignty. Again, no one has asked for Romney’s records…it’s up to you….

  • ehancock

    Re: “In that if both parents are citizens at time of birth then offspring is natural born citizen regardless of place of birth.”

    I really should not answer for the birthers, but as I understand it, their theory is that both parents have to be US citizens (though naturalized citizens are okay) AND the place of birth has to be in the USA. Thus for really sufficient proof, candidates would have to show both the birth certificate and either birth certificates or naturalization papers for both of the parents.

    Moreover there are some birthers who assert that the president cannot be a dual citizen. Well, that makes it even rougher because, you see, there are countries (and in the past there were a lot more) that considered that the children AND the grandchildren of citizens were automatically citizens of that country, regardless of the place of birth.

    None of this is true, of course.

    The meaning of Natural Born Citizen was for a long time common knowledge in the USA. In WWI men who registered for the draft were asked whether they were citizens or not. Then, if they were, the next question was were they naturalized or natural born. You see that there are only two categories. There are no categories for native born with one US parent or native born without any US parents. There are not categories for native born but with dual nationality. Only two categories means that millions of men knew that if they were born in the USA they were Natural Born Citizens and if they were naturalized, they weren’t.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    I always thought it was creepy the way obama has repeatedly referred to the likelihood of his being a one-term President. It is as if he knew, even as he campaigned in 2008, that all the loose ends and unanswered questions about his life would eventually disqualify him.

    It is now widely acknowledged that the mainstream media ran interference for him, ignoring or disparaging those who questioned his eligibility.

    After a little over 3 years in office, however, his arrogance and incompetence is so manifest that even they can no longer cover for him.

    Obama has single handedly generated a mass political movement called the Tea Party and election results for governors and members of Congress have put opposition candidates into office.

    On March 31, 1968, then-President Lyndon B. Johnson announced that he would not run for reelection, responding to the massive opposition to the war in Vietnam. On August 9, 1974, Richard M. Nixon announced his resignation in the wake of the Watergate scandal to avoid impeachment.

    I predict that Barack Hussein Obama will resign before the end of his first term. He may well do so prior to the September 2012 Democratic Party convention.

    Obama was never eligible to run for the office. In his book, “Where’s the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is Not Eligible to be President”, Dr. Jerome R. Corsi, Phd, devotes 387 pages, complete with appendices and endnotes, to irrefutably make that case.

    Anyone who reads Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution, however, can make that case in less than a minute.

    Only a “natural born” individual whose both parents were American citizens can be President. Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya.

    There is no dispute regarding what the Founders meant when they said “natural born.”

    Further clouding Obama’s eligibility is the time he spent in his youth in Indonesia as the adopted son of that nation’s nationality.

    • http://naver samurai

      You are correct Jay. Just ignore the 5th cloumn on this site. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • joseph foster

        As to me please note I do not support Obama I am a great fan of President Reagan.
        Stop dreaming Obama will never resign or give up he will be running for the second term and I predict he will win. African Americans that have been oppressed by white will vote for him by 99% they will take the sick from hospital and put them on stretchers to the pooling station,
        Latinos will give him 80% of their votes many are on food stamps, moreover African Americans will say for the first time in our history we got a black man in the white house and we shall never allow any white man to defeat him.
        A big bomb shell Obama has just made a video of the worst case scenario against Romney as to a steel plant that based on the video he made a large profit then dumped the workers and declared the company Bankrupt, he dug out the workers that are now old and the began to tell their sad story. This movie will be used by Obama two weeks before election on all TV channels. Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • http://naver samurai

        I don’t doubt him running again, but many of us are trying to get him out. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • http://majikimaje.com Majik Imaje

    Obama needs to be arrested for fraud and 100 other crimes he has participated in.

    • Jessy

      Please list your 100 charges that you have against the President.

  • ehancock

    Re: “I predict that Barack Hussein Obama will resign before the end of his first term. He may well do so prior to the September 2012 Democratic Party convention.”

    Dream on.

    Re: “In his book, “Where’s the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is Not Eligible to be President”, Dr. Jerome R. Corsi, Phd, devotes 387 pages, complete with appendices and endnotes, to irrefutably make that case.”

    Corsi is not exactly impartial on Obama. He was against Obama even before Birtherism came along, and Corsi backs the nutty notion that Obama was born in Kenya. His constant claims that the earth is flat could not convince you that the earth is really flat. But when he claims that Obama was born in Kenya, which is almost as unlikely as his being born on the Moon, birthers believe Corsi. That is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and the National Review all call birthers crazy.

    The notion of Obama’s mother, late in pregnancy, traveling alone (WND has shown that Obama senior was in Hawaii on August 4, 1961) from Hawaii, where there are good hospitals, to Kenya, where there was Yellow Fever and bad hospitals, and doing so without any INS record of her leaving the USA or any record of her arriving in Kenya—is absurd. And the fact that there is a birth certificate showing that she gave birth in Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu makes it even more absurd.

    Re: “Only a “natural born” individual whose both parents were American citizens can be President. Obama’s father was a citizen of Kenya. ”

    The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. It does not refer to parents. That is why not a single member of the Electoral College changed her or his vote to vote against Obama (He received all the votes from the Electoral College that he won in the general election), and that is why not a single member of Congress—including Bachmann and Ron Paul–voted against confirming Obama’s election.

    Re: “There is no dispute regarding what the Founders meant when they said “natural born.” ”

    We agree on this. There is no dispute that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.

    Re: “Further clouding Obama’s eligibility is the time he spent in his youth in Indonesia as the adopted son of that nation’s nationality.”

    It is not illegal or immoral to live outside of the USA. Obama was not adopted. If he were, Soetoro’s blood children would have referred to Obama as “brother”–but they never have. He was only for a time–until the divorce–a step-brother. Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm.

    • joseph foster

      I do not support Obama, nor Clinton, or the two Bush. The first Bush sold America to the Chinese by his trade policy. Clinton then came out with NAFTA. After Clinton George Bush, he started two wars paid for by credit card. It is detriment to the bottom line to hire American workers the preferred choice that will make more profit and increase CEO salaries by the millions is to hire a Chinese worker, as to clothing manufacturing a Bangladeshi worker at $35.00 per month.
      As to Obama resigning that will never happen, he will be reelected for the second term he will gain almost 80% of the minority votes, as to African American that were oppressed for over 200 years they had a chance for the first time to elect a Black President. He was elected because his opponent was a disaster by selecting Palin as his running mate. During the election African American will be picking up the sick from Hospitals and place those on stretchers to the pooling station.
      Obama will play the video before election time perhaps two weeks before the election the Steel mill story that Romney closed and fired all of the workers after extracting a large profit when it was declared Bankrupt.
      As a legal scholar there appear to be some confusion and interpretation that are not valid as to the issue of Natural born by many that have commented on the issue of birthier.
      The founding fathers are all British and they used the legal language of England to write the constitution, it was written before there was a country known as America or a country known as USA. Supreme Court judges in interpretation will quite often refer to English legal language.
      George Washington the first President of the US or America is not a natural born US citizen when he was born he was a British subject. He was born in the year 1772 before the declaration of Independence.
      Over 300 years in English Law Natural born means the person is born on the land and country where the birth took place, example he was born in England he is now a Natural born British citizen, and the parents need not be British. During Washington birth which occurred in Virginia it was a British Colony. Religion is not a factor.The age of the parents is also not a factor.
      Another example child born in France or England his father or mother are US citizen that child by birth will be French and a US citizen. If born in England he would be a US and British citizen. As to Obama the real issue was he born in Hawaii or Kenya, If Kenya he would acquire US citizen through his mother, his father was not a US citizen. The question to be asked was Obama recorded as born in Hawaii by fraud.
      Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

  • Jessy

    So since both parents must also be us citizens then Marco Rubio is not qualified either?

    • joseph foster

      Wrong neither parents has to be US citizen the principal criteria based on the Law of England over three hundred years which also applies to the USA by defination natural born means born on the Land of the usa that birth makes the person a naturlal born citizen, if that person again was to be born in England and both parents are not British he will be considered natural born British citizen. Exception where is parents are diplomat. The founding fathers that wrote the constition are all British and they use the British legal language.Natural born has also been defined by the supreme court they would refer to British Law and find out what does natural born mean.

      • Jessy

        Of course you have to be Christian to be President too,right?

        • joseph foster

          As a legal scholar there appear to be some confusion and interpretation that are not valid as to the issue of Natural born by many that have commented on the issue of birthier.
          The founding fathers are all British and they used the legal language of England to write the constitution, it was written before there was a country known as America or a country known as USA. Supreme Court judges in interpretation will quite often refer to English legal language.
          George Washington the first President of the US or America is not a natural born US citizen when he was born he was a British subject. He was born in the year 1772 before the declaration of Independence.
          Over 300 years in English Law Natural born means the person is born on the land and country where the birth took place, example he was born in England he is now a Natural born British citizen, and the parents need not be British. During Washington birth which occurred in Virginia it was a British Colony. Religion is not a factor. The age of the parents is also not a factor.
          Another example child born in France or England his father or mother are US citizen that child by birth will be French and a US citizen. If born in England he would be a US and British citizen. As to Obama the real issue was he born in Hawaii or Kenya, If Kenya he would acquire US citizen through his mother, his father was not a US citizen. The question to be asked was Obama recorded as born in Hawaii by fraud.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

          • RichE

            What’s your conclusion Mr. Foster? How can anyone be a birther?

          • joseph foster

            My conclusion based on all of the evidence thus far presented the Birthier issue is dead, unless it can be proved beyond a shadow of doubt that the birth recording in Hawaii is a fraud.
            The use of the Birthier issue by Obama opponent will be of no benefit. If I were running for the US President here is the issues that I will be talking about.
            CHANGE.
            1. US shall no longer be the police man of the world; we can no longer afford the price.
            2. Re Industrialize America by a change in our trade policy that means JOBS AND JOBS.
            3. America will copy Germany we shall no longer sell price, we shall sell quality goods produced by American workers.
            4. America shall protect the middle class by believing in higher wages for American workers.
            Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

          • RichE

            Thank you for your comment(s) as for the latter, I think that’d be another thread. Why don’t you enter Mr. Livingston’s contest?

        • joseph foster

          As a legal scholar there appear to be some confusion and interpretation that are not valid as to the issue of Natural born by many that have commented on the issue of birthier.
          The founding fathers are all British and they used the legal language of England to write the constitution, it was written before there was a country known as America or a country known as USA. Supreme Court judges in interpretation will quite often refer to English legal language.
          George Washington the first President of the US or America is not a natural born US citizen when he was born he was a British subject. He was born in the year 1772 before the declaration of Independence.
          Over 300 years in English Law Natural born means the person is born on the land and country where the birth took place, example he was born in England he is now a Natural born British citizen, and the parents need not be British. During Washington birth which occurred in Virginia it was a British Colony. Religion is not a factor. The age of the parents is also not a factor.
          Another example child born in France or England his father or mother are US citizen that child by birth will be French and a US citizen. If born in England he would be a US and British citizen. As to Obama the real issue was he born in Hawaii or Kenya, If Kenya he would acquire US citizen through his mother, his father was not a US citizen. The question to be asked was Obama recorded as born in Hawaii by fraud.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • http://naver samurai

      You are correct. Since neither of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth, he is ineligible to run for president. You need both parents as citizens to be a natural born citizen according to Minor vs. Happersett 1875. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • joseph foster

        Stop getting confused your knowledge based on Minor vs. Happersett is no longer valid a further interpretation has made that decision is now null and void.
        Amercian none legal scholars read the constitution based on American English and become muddled up in understanding. The founding fathers used English legal language as used in England, at the time there was no America nor USA.
        As a legal scholar there appear to be some confusion and interpretation that are not valid as to the issue of Natural born by many that have commented on the issue of birthier.
        The founding fathers are all British and they used the legal language of England to write the constitution, it was written before there was a country known as America or a country known as USA. Supreme Court judges in interpretation will quite often refer to English legal language.
        George Washington the first President of the US or America is not a natural born US citizen when he was born he was a British subject. He was born in the year 1772 before the declaration of Independence.
        Over 300 years in English Law Natural born means the person is born on the land and country where the birth took place, example he was born in England he is now a Natural born British citizen, and the parents need not be British. During Washington birth which occurred in Virginia it was a British Colony. Religion is not a factor. The age of the parents is also not a factor.
        Another example child born in France or England his father or mother are US citizen that child by birth will be French and a US citizen. If born in England he would be a US and British citizen. As to Obama the real issue was he born in Hawaii or Kenya, If Kenya he would acquire US citizen through his mother, his father was not a US citizen. The question to be asked was Obama recorded as born in Hawaii by fraud.
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • http://naver samurai

        I may not be a student of law, but even I know that Washington was born before 1772. That would make him a 4 year old general. We stopped using British law as of 1776 and interpreted it our own way. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • Joseph Foster

          As a Lawyer well trained in US Laws your comments indicates you lack education as to the legal system of the US. You do not need both parents to be a US citizen. If this is the Law Obama will have never been allowed to be on any ballot in any State. The American legal system had its origin from the British legal system many of its features are close to the British legal system. Please note Washington at the time of his birth was born in a British colony and is a British subject by Birth. He was born before there was a US or America and before he and others wrote the constitution. Those that wrote the Constitution are all British, some were Lawyers that learned British Law since there was no American Law, the language used in the constitution is British legal language. Have you heard the term American English and the term British English? When the supreme judges courts reads the constitution they go back to English Law to understand what some words mean such as Natural born parents as defined in British Law. You may not like Obama neither do I.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

  • Jessy

    The Constitution says nothing about the parents of anyone wishing to be President.
    But keep up the good work at trying to prove Obama as not a natural born citizen. We all need goals.

    Clause 5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    • http://majikimaje.com Majik Imaje

      Born through the laws of nature (parents) Two is what McCain was held to because he was born out of the United States to – Two citizen parents. 1903 Boston front page; The Governor of New York was not considered eligible to hold the office; Until it was determined he was born in Germany of two citizen parents of the United States. That is the STANDARD that was applied to McCain !! Obama is not eligible – end of discussion.

  • ehancock

    Re: “Both “published” certificates were clearly photoshopped.”

    Answer: Only birther “experts,” who have not proven their expertise and who certainly have not shown that they are impartial, have claimed that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate.

    http://gratewire.com/topic/tea-party-conservative-refutes-claims-of-obama-birth-certificate-forgery

    http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/473-Keystone-Kops.html

    http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/03/on-the-release-of-report-from-sheriff-joe-arpaio-stating-barack-obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/

    Nathan Goulding, chief technology officer of the National Review magazine, dismissed the matter of “layered components” found in the White House PDF by suggesting “that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner.” and adding “I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

    And:

    Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

    And:

    Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.”

  • ehancock

    Majik Imaje said:

    “Born through the laws of nature (parents) Two is what McCain was held to because he was born out of the United States to – Two citizen parents….”

    Answer:

    “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

    Notice the OR.

    Because of the OR the meaning of Natural Born Citizen includes both the original definition, birth in the country, and the new definition, derived from legislation, that includes all the children of American citizens who were born abroad. McCain fell into the latter category. Obama, Jindal, and Rubio–and about 300 million Americans–fall into the original category. There is no requirement ever stated in any law or in the use of the term Natural Born Citizen by the founders or in any court case that requires both birth in the USA and two citizen parents. Nor is there any requirement ever stated in any court case—-not even Minor vs Happersett—-that two citizen parents are required.

    And the Wong Kim Ark case said that EVERY child born in the USA, except for the children of foreign diplomats, is Natural Born.

    • ehancock

      I should add that in addition to having two US citizen parents, some hold that McCain also falls under the original definition (born in the country) in that he was born on a US naval base in the US-administered Panama Canal zone.

      Some argue that that was US sovereign territory. Others disagree because the Canal Zone was only leased territory.

      But when the US Senate passed its non-binding resolution giving its opinion that McCain was a Natural Born Citizen, it used both the fact that McCain had two citizen parents and the fact that he was born on a US military base. In short, it was NOT simply because McCain had two citizen parents that he was considered eligible.

      • ehancock

        Re: “As long as every single SCOTUS case says parents, not parent, then that is the law of the land.”

        However, not a single SCOTUS case has ever said that two parents are required. In fact, not a single SCOTUS case has even said that one parent is required. There is, however, the Wong Kim Ark SCOTUS case, which ruled (six to two, one not voting) that EVERY child born in the USA is Natural Born.

    • http://naver samurai

      You need both parents to be natural born citizens. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Thinking About

        Since you have not searched US Code Title 8, Section 1401, I will assist you on this matter.

        Natural-born citizen

        Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

        The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

        Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
        •Anyone born inside the United States *
        •Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
        •Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
        •Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
        •Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
        •Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
        •Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
        •A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

        NOTICE: •Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year.

        Now for God and Country, these are the laws in the USA.

      • ernie

        Does any of this really matter, or is it smoke and mirrors to hide something else. It would be very like some one with something to hide to draw as much attention to this as possible and then come up with some documents later. Is there anything in him being adopted and taken to Indonesia. I was under the impression you had to be a citizen to attend the schools he did, and Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. There are so many things that are hidden and not open to us, I believe he wants to draw the action in directions that he can let build and then come up with an answer, leaving everyone with egg on their face. The really sad part of all this is that we as a nation elected him. How can we stand up for the sodomites (I refuse to call them gays), and turn our back on God. Lord have mercy on our nation. Even so come Lord Jesus.

      • http://naver samurai

        As long as every single SCOTUS case says parents, not parent, then that is the law of the land. Second, since his mother was younger than 21, by law she could not pass her citizenship to Obama bin Laden. One parent to be an American citizen, but you need both to be a natural born citizen. This is why Marco Rubio cannot be POTUS or VP. These are the laes of the land. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • ehancock

    Breaking news:

    Today, apparently, Mitt Romney had his campaign release his birth certificate, and guess what, it is a computer-generated short-form birth certificate.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-rt-us-usa-campaign-romney-birth-certificatebre84s1gf-20120529,0,5483593.story

    It does not have the name of the hospital or the delivery doctor or any signatures from the doctor or the mother. The image of the document provided does not show the color of the security paper or an embossed seal, and there is a clear “void” on the document. What is Romney hiding?

    • RichE

      “What is Romney hiding?” Mr. ehandcock, are you teasing the birthers?

      Again I appreciate your input. It’s nice to know there is a certification process that was and is carried out by congress and the Electoral College. I’m convinced the wheels of justice where turning and Obama was accurately certified, but I’m also sure there are still people that believe the world is flat. Oh well.

  • jopa

    Well let’s see the price of gold has fallen about 400 bucks an ounce, gas prices don’t look like they will go to five dollars a gallon so lets try this goofy birther thing again.Time to get real folks

    • http://majikimaje.com Majik Imaje

      I scan documents & photos for decades; It is impossible to scan a document and have different type fonts of differing sizes on different layers in the output!

      Adobe Illustrator “records” every click of the mouse – it is so easy to see that the pResident handed the pubic a “poorly” constructed forgery -BECAUSE that is all he has for proof! It is proof positive Obama is a poorly constructed fraud that is incapable of leading & governing this country; that is the reason his sole agenda is to restrict & bankrupt America!

      • ehancock

        Re: “It is impossible to scan a document and have different type fonts of differing sizes on different layers in the output!”

        However experts disagree and say that that is exactly what some software will do. By the way, the birth certificate was scanned into the Mac equivalent of PDF. Illustrator was not used.

        Only birther “experts,” who have not proven their expertise and who certainly have not shown that they are impartial (are you really impartial????), have claimed that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. Hawaii, which is the authority on whether its birth certificates are forged, has not claimed that it is forged. In fact, the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the FACTS on Obama’s birth certificate. And, after all, it is the facts that count.

        • http://majikimaje.com Majik Imaje

          Ah yes! We have to Believe what Fukino stated: Yes ! she claims. I’ve seen the birth certificate! It is 1/2 hand written and 1/2 typed. Yes she is lying through her teeth as is obvious. The Obots are here; in total denial. Liars doing their very best to defend the GRAND LAIR OBAMA

      • ehancock

        Fukino plus Onaka plus the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, plus the current Director of Health of Hawaii, plus the “Index Data”–which has been public for years and which shows that a birth certificate file exists for Obama in the 1961 birth certificate records, plus the birth notices that were in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961–which at the time were sent to the papers only by the DOH.

        Plus the fact that there is no evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii. Plus the fact that Hawaii is a long way away from ANY foreign country. Plus the sheer stupidity of the Kenya story–considering the enormous expense and high risk of such a trip.

        Plus the fact that Romney has only shown his birth certificate, the short form, without details of the doctor or the hospital, and no one has confirmed the facts on it at all.

  • ehancock

    Re: “It is impossible to scan a document and have different type fonts of differing sizes on different layers in the output!”

    However experts disagree and say that that is exactly what some software will do. By the way, the birth certificate was scanned into the Mac equivalent of PDF. Illustrator was not used.

    Only birther “experts,” who have not proven their expertise and who certainly have not shown that they are impartial (are you really impartial????), have claimed that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate.

    http://gratewire.com/topic/tea-party-conservative-refutes-claims-of-obama-birth-certificate-forgery

    http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/473-Keystone-Kops.html

    http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/03/on-the-release-of-report-from-sheriff-joe-arpaio-stating-barack-obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/

    Nathan Goulding, chief technology officer of the National Review magazine, dismissed the matter of “layered components” found in the White House PDF by suggesting “that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner.” and adding “I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

    And:

    Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

    And:

    Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.”

  • HH

    I ain’t never seen a dead horse being beat this bad, ever!

    ehancock, It’s obvious that you are not going to convince these folks, or me, that your views are correct. Nor are we going to convince you that our views and opinions are correct either unless you open your eyes and see what’s happening just under your nose.

    Here’s the bottom line:

    I did not vote for Obama and here are my reasons:

    1. He had no experience that would qualify him for the office of the President, his skin color had nothing to do with my decision. I would have voted for Herman Cain if he still were in the race.

    2. I did not vote for Obama BECAUSE of his background. Even if he IS a natural born citizen of the US he DID live and WAS schooled in Kenya at an early age, I believe this to be paramount in the way he processes information pertaining to this nation.

    3. His writings are anti-american and the church he attended in Chicago is anti-american.

    4. His campaign stated: “Together we can CHANGE America”! I agree, America needs to be “changed”, congress, house, senate etc…. but, I believe in my heart that the change “he” refers to is not the change you OR I would care to be a part of.

    5th and the most important in my mind, I don’t believe him to be a Christian. There are tens of thousands of Muslims in the United States, most don’t really know what it means to be “Muslim”, I believe Obama does! Oh he can ‘say’ he’s christian, but…. refer to reason #2.

    4 more years of Obama and we will be that much closer to sharia law. I KNOW you don’t want ANY part of that!……………… unless you’re a true Muslim!

    So soon after 9/11 when radical Muslims terrorized our nation why would anyone vote for someone who even had a “hint” of Muslim in their background? WHY?

    • Thinking About

      In which tabloid did you get the information Obama was schooled in Kenya? If you voted for GWB you voted for someone who had a hint of muslim with his financial backing coming from muslims namely the bin Laden family and holding hands with Saudi prince. On sharia law, are you speaking of the number of sharia laws being introduced across this nation which directly violate liberty and choices of our citizens, if you are then you should check the sources of these laws. Vote for whoever you want but get your stories straight.

      • HH

        Of course it wouldn’t matter where I got my information if it goes against your twisted belief’s you wouldn’t believe it anyway but here are the “tabloids” where I got my info!

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

        “After her divorce, Dunham married Indonesian Lolo Soetoro, who was attending college in Hawaii. When Suharto, a military leader in Soetoro’s home country, came to power in 1967, all Indonesian students studying abroad were recalled, and the family moved to the Menteng neighborhood of Jakarta.[4][17] From ages six to ten, Obama attended local schools in Jakarta, including Besuki Public School and St. Francis of Assisi School”.

        They even erected a statue of a 10 year old Barack Obama in Menteng Park in Jakarta where he went to school…..

        http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-12/10/content_12624443.htm

        And YES I’m talking about sharia laws being enforced in our country, nearly 30 cases on the books where judges are ruling against our constitution in favor of sharia law.

        http://shariahinamericancourts.com/

        AND Muslims want US to recognize THEIR sharia laws…….

        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/15000-muslims-to-assemble-in-ct-in-support-of-sharia-against-islamophobia-this-weekend/

      • ehancock

        HH said and has shown with citations that Obama went to school in Indonesia.

        He forgets that he had said earlier that Obama went to school in Kenya.

        Here are his words: “…he DID live and WAS schooled in Kenya at an early age,”

        Yes Obama did live and was schooled in Indonesia. No he did not live and was not schooled in Kenya. They are different countries on different continents.

        Thinking About simply pointed out that it was wrong to say that Obama went to school in Kenya.

        But this was probably just a typo on HH’s part.

    • RichE

      HH,
      It would be helpful if the Birther opinion was clearly stated. As I understand it the Birther position is: Both parents U.S. Citizens at time of birth and place of birth is not relevant. IMO Obama, Washington, etc. should not be brought into the discussion until a definition is obtained.
      Also, if we can’t resolve this how can we expect to resolve other issues? We need to learn how to resolve issues.

      • ehancock

        Re: “Also, if we can’t resolve this how can we expect to resolve other issues? ”

        Actually, we DID resolve it. The US Electoral College, which makes the final decision on the electoral votes case, did not change a single vote from the electorial vote that Obama won in the general election. That means that not a single one of the electors in the 600 or so of the total changed her or his vote to vote against Obama because she or he believed the birther theory that two citizen parents are required to be a NBC. Not one. And the same for the US Congress, which confirmed Obama’s election unanimously.

        So it is merely YOUR dream that it is not resolved. It is resolved. The vast majority of lawyers and constitutional scholars and FOUR state courts and one federal court all ahve held that the meaning of NBC come from the common law and refers to the place of birth, NOT to the parents.

        That is resolved.

        Obama was confirmed by the US Congress and sworn in by the US Chief Justice. Some people dream that NBC refers to two citizen parents. Others hope that that is the meaning. But it simply is not the meaning. The meaning is that the term comes from the common law, which was well understood at the time that the Contitution was written, and that it refers to the place of bith, not to the parents.

        • http://majikimaje.com Majik Imaje

          Naturally Born (through the laws of nature) not soil! REMEMBER?? In the good ol days it was anathema for a child to be born out of wed-lock! They even had a “name” for that type of person that was born. He was called a “bastard” – Shunned by society!! Therefore: Only a naturally born citizen of two citizen parents is the original intent by the founding fathers!

        • RichE

          Ehancock,
          Re: resolve
          OK, how about the Birthers need to ACCEPT that due process has qualified Obama and we as a nation need to move on and that’s not a bad idea. We don’t have to agree, but at some point we need to acept and move on. Maybe that would get this nation back on track.

    • ehancock

      Re not voting for Obama for various reasons.

      Good. That is your right, and I would fight to the death to support that right.

      I might not vote for Obama myself.

      But our discussion was not who is the better candidate. It was whether Obama was born in the USA (that has been proven overwhelmingly) and whether every US citizen who was born in the USA is a Natural Born US Citizen. And as I have shown the US Supreme Court has in fact ruled that, and four state courts and a federal court have ruled that that is the law in Obama’s case, and many more rulings have referred to the US-born children of foreigners as Natural Born Citizens.

      These are the facts and the law. You cannot change the facts, but you have a right to try to change the law if you desire. Write to your congressman and senators and tell them that you would like a Constitutional Amendment making NBC not refer to the place of birth but instead to require two US citizen parents. If they agree with you, there is always a chance that the Constitution can be amended to make it the way that you desire.

      As for Obama being a Muslim. No, he isn’t. But you have the right to vote against him on the impression that he is a Muslim. On the other hand, you could vote against him because of Obamacare or high unemployment. Millions of people will vote against him for these rational reasons. They do not need anyone to join them out of the crazy idea that Obama was not born in Hawaii. In fact, to the extent that Romney’s supporters seem to be partisans of this crazy theory, so to the same extent Romney will seem crazy himself. That does not help your cause.

      • http://majikimaje.com Majik Imaje

        The proof is overwhelming indeed!! Poorly forged birth certificate; poorly forged selective service card; False SSN # from Connecticut.. .. ..A muslim who claims he is a christain Whose play -book/manual is from a book dedicated to SATAN!

        RIGHT ON!! Get ready comrades.. We can sit together in FEMA camps singing KUMBYA if he is ever re-elected.

        Liars defending the Liar in chump!!

      • ehancock

        The proof that Obama was born in Hawaii is overwhelming. There is a birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that there is one in their files. The officials in Hawaii have now confirmed to Arizona that the facts on Obama’s birth certificate are exactly the same as on the document in the files. The fact that there is a birth certificate for Obama has been confirmed not merely by the Republican (three) and Democrat (several) officials but by the “Index Data”–a public file that has been available for years and clearly shows that there is a birth certificate filed for Obama in the DOH’s 1961 files–and by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were sent to the papers at the time only by the DOH and only for births in Hawaii.

      • joseph foster

        The most important issue is Jobs and Jobs and the stop of the Destruction of the American middle case, all of the elected Presidents since Bush seniors including Obama are supporting the fat cats of the country.

      • HH

        You say he’s not Muslim, let’s look at the evidence:

        IF this birth certificate is real Obama’s given name is “Barack Hussein Obama II”, a Muslim name. That being the case when his mother re-married his name was changed somewhere along the line to Barry Soetoro, Barry being the christian equivalent for Barrack and Soetoro being his step fathers Indonesian last name, this was the name he used throughout college. (Which by the way he attended college “in the USA” as a “foreign exchange student”.) After his mother divorced Lolo Soetoro Barry changed his name back to his given “Muslim” name, BHO. Those who attended college with him only knew him as Barry Soetoro, they knew nothing of Barrack Obama!

        Why would he change his name back to a Muslim name if he were a christian?

        When a person converts to Islam some will change their name to a Muslim name but not all, here are just a few;

        Cassius Clay – Muhammad Ali

        Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor, Jr. – Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

        Cat Stevens – Yusuf Islam

        ALSO the blunders he has made in front of the cameras are a hint:

        At a campaign event in Beaverton, OR, he claimed to have visited 57 U.S. states during the campaign. Let me see now……. U.S.A. 50 states! Islam, 57 states! Ok, that probably doesn’t hold much water but……… during an interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos he said,

        “What I was suggesting – you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you’re absolutely right that that has not come.”

        No true christian would ever make a slip like that!

        Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama II IS a Muslim, it will be just like his stance on gay marriage. He says one thing one day and then tells us something else another, he will announce to the public that he is Muslim one day, you’ll see.

        • RichE

          HH,
          If Obama is a Muslim then explain his support for homosexuals?

          Way too much blind hate on this site.

  • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

    Personally I was more incensed with the factual coup dӎtat perpetrated by the Supreme Court when they illegally awarded the presidency to George Bush.

    This is all non-sense and even if there is some truth to this non-sense, seeing that we impose our will on the rest of the world, maybe it’s fitting and payback that a potential foreigner is now the president of the US.

    • Randall

      You treasonous idiot. The Supreme Court awarded nothing, illegally or otherwise. They put an end to a frivolous vote recount, each of which subsequently demonstrated that Al Bore lost all on his own. The slug couldn’t even carry his own “home” state of TN. You are treasonous to suggest that it’s fitting for a “potential” foreigner to usurp the presidency. Why do you hate your own country so much? Actually, I can tell you the answer: it’s actually self-hatred, a trait shared by most liberals, and well-deserved, because all of you liberals are contemptible cowards. And the poster child for you is your narcissistic skunk muslim fraud, who continues to illegally occupy the White House. As for the US supposedly imposing its will on the rest of the world, I’m sure you’d be happier if one of your fellow communists or muslim thugs were preeminent. You fools are just like Royalists during the Revolution and you shall meet the same fate.

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        Randall do I detect some foaming at the mouth while you were writing this? You might want to have that looked at. It’s not healthy.

        • Randall

          Eric, I’m so touched by your “concern”. If you can find time between bowing to Washington, D.C., five times a day to pray to your muslim skunk occupying the White House, please get some counseling. I’m a recovering liberal, too. Believe me, there is a better life for you once you reach adult rationality, if you ever do……It will be so amusing to hear you and your fellow castrati sing when the usurper is exposed for committing the greatest crime in American history. And that day is approaching, you treasonous libtard.

  • truesoy

    QESTION.- how can anyone be a ‘birther’.
    ANSWER.- in one word…”fools”

    Sincerely,
    Truesoy

    • http://naver samurai

      Question: How can someone be a fool and be part of the 5th column?
      Answer: Because they are ignorant traitors and cowards and care for nothing about this country or our founding.

      BTW, is it truesoy or thinking about? I can’t keep up with all the names you use. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.
      This leaves you out of the equation.

  • ehancock

    Re: “this was the name he used throughout college.”

    The name that he used throughout college was Obama.

  • Montana

    Lets be clear none of these Birther dullards have taken there “Birther Documents of facts, more like lies” and won a case in the “U.S. Courts”, maybe in their simple minds (if they have any) but not in our “U.S. Courts”, so unless Birthers/ Teabaggers, whatever you want to be called, win a court case, we will continue to see as dullards, liars or racist or maybe all three. Deal with that baby!

    Keep dreaming Birthers, keep dreaming!

    • RichE

      Montana,
      They don’t take their documents to courts probably because they don’t know how. I know I don’t. It would be nice if everyone knew how to use their voice other that the web and happy hours.
      P.S. I don’t think mudslinging and name calling is honorable.

  • ehancock

    Re: “when his mother re-married his name was changed somewhere along the line to Barry Soetoro, Barry being the christian equivalent for Barrack and Soetoro being his step fathers Indonesian last name, this was the name he used throughout college.”

    (1) He used an Indonesian name when he was in Indonesia. He never legally changed his name, nor was he adopted.

    (2) The name that he used while in college was Barry Obama.

    (3) He was never a foreign exchange student. That notion emerged from an April Fool’s article originally posted on April 1, 2009.

    • RichE

      ehancock, great posts. I hope you keep it up.

      I need to summerize all your birther posts into a flash card.

  • catman11

    This is going nowhere.

  • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coalminer

    We need more proof.

  • catman11

    jackson

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  • ehancock

    Obama never claimed to be a foreigner, nor did he even say that he was a foreigner. Videos can be forged. The one that you are referring to was forged.

    Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii has been repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii, officials from both parties. The existence of Obama’s birth certificate in Hawaii is further confirmed by the Index Data–a list of the birth certificate that are on file:

    http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

    And Obama’s birth in Hawaii is still further confirmed by his birth notice in the Health Bureau Statistics section of the newspapers, which as the name indicates, consist only of birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii, and they only sent the birth notices for births IN Hawaii.

    • Robert M. Anderson

      I do not know your age nor your interest in history. However, the moment I read the ‘birth certficate’ I knew it was a fake. It literally leaps off of the page. Under “Birthplace of Father” it says “Kenya”. For those lacking the necessary knowledge, KENYA DID NOT EXIST IN 1961!!!!!!!!!! IT WAS STILL THE “BRITISH EAST AFRICAN PROTECTORATE”; I know, because I remember in High School in 1963 when the British relinquished their colonial rule and the nation of Kenya originated. If this is not the most chrystal clear proof (and easily verified by going to a library and looking it up in an Encyclopedia – I’m old, I still use old fashioned research rather than relying on the Internet). Of course, this does not count the fact that professionals with access to sophisticated software have uncovered numerous ‘write overs’ and other evidence of tampering.

  • Karolyn
    • Randall

      It’s hard to imagine you could be as stupid as you are, however, you are an Obot, blinded by your adulation of the muslim skunk occupying the White House.

    • Robert M. Anderson

      I do not know your age nor your interest in history. However, the moment I read the ‘birth certficate’ I knew it was a fake. It literally leaps off of the page. Under “Birthplace of Father” it says “Kenya”. For those lacking the necessary knowledge, KENYA DID NOT EXIST IN 1961!!!!!!!!!! IT WAS STILL THE “BRITISH EAST AFRICAN PROTECTORATE”; I know, because I remember in High School in 1963 when the British relinquished their colonial rule and the nation of Kenya originated. If this is not the most chrystal clear proof (and easily verified by going to a library and looking it up in an Encyclopedia – I’m old, I still use old fashioned research rather than relying on the Internet).

    • Robert M. Anderson

      It should also be noted that as a 17 year old traveling outside of America, Obama used British and Indonesian passports, both showing him as an Indonesion citizen. Also, his own GRANDMOTHER stated clearly that she traveled to Kenya to see him born! A birth certficate for him is on file in the hospital in Mombasa. When he was elected to the Senate, the (English speaking editon) major Newspaper in Kenya ran a headline stating: “Kenyan born Barack Obama Becomes U.S. Senator”. Outside the village in which he was born, a large road sign in both the local language and in English states “Welcome to the Birthplace of Barack Obama”. If he was not born in Kenya, why does Kenya openly state their pride in his accomplishments as a Kenyan born citizen? The biggest problem with the deniers is that you personally, and as a group in general, simply refuse to deal with the facts.

  • Clarion

    I personally do not believe that Mr. Obama was born in the United States, but that is neither here not there. He is a liar about just about everything (and the media tends to always look the other way), BUT regardless of the above, in my opinion, Mr. Obama is NOT an American. He may or may not have been born in the US, but he was not raised in the US (Kenya and Indonesia), and was not a student here when students learn about our nation and heritage and learn to love our nation (or at least they used to learn this). That’s probably why he thought there were 57 states or never used to put his right hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance. There has never been anything he has done nor anything he has ever said that gave me the impression that he loves this nation. And if any one should love this nation, it should be our Commander and Chief!

    Heaven help us, because of the blind fools who put and continue to want this man in office. Have we been so bad what we deserve him?

  • moses

    BUSH IS OBOMAS FATHER IT IS HIS FAULT HE WAS BORN IN AFERICA , BUT OBOMA WAS NEVER BORN HE IS god right lolo berry oboma cannot even make a pigs turd he is so stupied sorry evil ,if he was born in american that makes me black slave.

  • http://none cea

    It is Politics by Political Hacks. If the entire propaganda media can rally behind Obama failing to report on anything Factual, what makes one think the “birther” situation is settled. His Documents are Absolutely, Positively Nothing Like Mine – containing N one of the required Information. But here is an easy way to settle it. Show me at least 3 Other Birth Documents issued at the same time, I’d really prefer 6 at least, and I’ll back off. But until then, it is Created, Manufactured by the many left-wing, progressive, Marxist by those Influential supporting Obama. Read THE AMATEUR At least as one Basic Eye Opener, then Grow from there.

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