House Republicans Scorn Senate Immigration Bill; Say They’ll Craft Their Own


House Republicans haven’t had time to read through the massive omnibus immigration reform bill their Senate colleagues passed on Thursday.

Judging by their comments about the bill, which creates a path to amnesty for illegal aliens in the U.S. and authorizes completion of a border fence that the DHS Secretary can choose to terminate, they’re much more likely to craft their own version – or smaller, bite-sized versions – of immigration legislation than to spend time and energy reading through the Senate package, which most of them have already dismissed.

Regard for the Senate bill in the Republican-majority House is almost universally scornful, with Congressmen insinuating the House has become the “smarter” legislative chamber, offering a moral and intellectual salve for the hasty, unconsidered and self-defeating approach to immigration reform they feel their Senate peers have taken.

Here’s a sampling of House members’ spoken disdain for the Senate bill:

  • “Just like all the Senators, I haven’t read it yet.” – Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.)
  • “The Corker-Hoeven [border security] amendment is terrible.” – John Fleming (R-La.)
  • “More work on the border is good, but it doesn’t solve all the problems with that bill.” – Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.)
  • “It is a pipe dream to think that that bill is going to the floor and be voted on.” – Peter Roskam (R-Ill.)
  • “[F]old it up into a paper airplane and throw it out the window.” – Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.)
  • “If you think that the House is going to cave and bring up the Senate bill, that is idiotic.” – Devin Nunes (R-Calif.)
  • “The Senate is, at this point, irrelevant.” – Ted Poe (R-Texas)

H/T: National Review

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  • Mike W

    So the Republican leadership in the House is going to try to prevent the House from voting on a bill because they fear a majority will vote in favor of it. This certainly does not conform to the principles of the Constitution, which contemplates that a majority vote is sufficient to enact legislation.

    • deborah21

      Sounds like Harry Reid

    • metroman

      Non-revenue bills may be offered by the Senate but must be passed by both houses. If they can get enough RINO’S to vote for it then it’s done. Guess what, if they can’t then the House can offer their own. That is the way it works.

      You say Conform to the “Principles of the Constitution,” that hasn’t been done in a long time. Undeclared Wars, Fiat money, assignation orders by the President of U.S citizens, wholesale violation of the 2, 4, 5 and 10 amendments to name a few. An illegally elected president in violation of the “natural born” clause. I am not talking about a birth certificate, I am taking about both parents not being a U.S. citizen at his birth. Oh, by the way I don’t know why this hasn’t been tested, could it be a conspiracy by both parties because after all the Republic’s are championing a candidate who neither parent was a citizen. Go figure. My friend you have a lot of waking up to do.

  • dave

    House Republicans have to say no to amnesty. The system is not broke. Enforce the existing system Deport all illegals and start over.

  • metroman

    What part of illegal don’t they understand? The i..l..e..g..a… I think the first thing we need to do is drug testing..Yes, drug testing of the Senate!

    • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

      Yes drug testing and sanity testing of the Senate.

  • lawabider2

    Just put the Senate Bill on the shelf called file 13, Then just forget about it.
    Don’t counter with a new Bill. Enforce current Immigration Laws.


  • Alan

    How about they don’t craft any bill at all. That works for me. How about the rest of you true Americans?

  • rivahmitch

    The House passing any bill is a mistake. They’ll have a joint meeting to “reconcile the two bills” and Boehner will surrender as always.

    • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

      Boehner should just keep things simple, honest and truthful by changing his last name to Bendover. House Speaker Bendover. Now that says it all.

  • monizame

    This used to be a country governed by laws..Not rewards for breaking the laws..

    • Alan

      “Correctamundo” monizame….lol! Now the laws are all against we Americans who do our best to abide by them. What a difference a few generations make, huh?

  • Stretch 64

    What purpose does crafting a House bill accomplish? Better to let it die. Concentrate on other, more important things. Oh, but wait…are we counting on the very people (Senate & House) that got us into this mess to get us out?!?

  • Motov

    I think those who are here illegally, must be sent back, if employed, go after the employer with hefty fines. No to “Anchor” babies. End the handouts and catering to these people, No more spanish, INS should also be able to work with state/county/local police, meaning if a cop suspects they arrested an illegal, INS should do their job and deport these people.

    The idea of passing garbage legislation like this before we even know what it written in it, should be a crime, and those who commit it, should be “fired”.
    Those who push unknown legislation, should also be fired.

    • macgyver1948

      Motov… I agree so much with what you say but with one exception. Before that I want to say that employers should be heavily fined and maybe eventually jailed if repeats occur for hiring illegals. The problem we have been experiencing here is a hidden agenda, one of huge denial. The TP and the GOP are in business pretty much for the
      benefit and protection of business, mostly big corporations, so it
      will be hard to get needed legislation for that. We people need to
      push harder for it and fire, at the polls, those elected who will not
      do “our” bidding. So much for that when all we do is “listen to
      the party of our choosing” and not think for ourselves.

      I am all for legal immigration because this country was build on the
      backs of immigrants and their kids. You say “no more Spanish. Well,
      we have since our beginnings had foreign languages come in with new immigrants and they eventually settled into English in a generation or two naturally. When English first came to these shores it was a “foreign” language. Now we have “pushed” or forced help
      blocking a natural progression. I see nothing wrong with people
      continuing their traditions and language as long as it isn’t pushed
      or forced on us as it is being politically done now. Can you imagine
      what would occur in Italy or Russia or Greece or in Argentina if
      foreign languages were forced on them in their countries? The
      foreigners and the politicians doing it would be tarred and feathered
      and run out of their countries assuming they weren’t shot first. Soon
      we could have here “press 237 for your native Language”, one damn
      number at a time. This country should make English its official
      language. For the most part those who come here to live come here for a better way of life than they had before coming here or so many of them would not have a reason to leave the old country. Why bring what you left if you didn’t like it and force it here?

      If a cop suspects a crime he/she should be able to investigate but we have to support the “innocent until proven guilty” rule.

      For my possible exception, what I think you mean by “”Anchor”
      babies”. We should be careful with this. “babies” and children
      have no control over where they go. This is the only country, and
      home, these kids know so sending them to strange lands could be
      bordering on cruelty. If these kids didn’t commit any crimes while
      here and they are contributing to society, paying taxes or at least
      going to school, we are damaging our American image world wide even more. I know that there are many who seem to want isolationism again but that will never again work. One reason I do not care for certain politician’s foreign policies, they lack reality in those regards. We have become “ugly Americans” to much of other world with our

      World history shows many cultures have been sent to foreign lands by
      conquerors and so called authorities and for many generations there
      have been problems for the “sent away” from their only known
      homes. We should consider how cruel we might look and be. Just
      something to think about.

      • Motov

        I especially mean larger corporations should pay up. I’ve seen what Tyson had done to a profitable meatpacking plant that actually paid its employees well, The employees were very loyal to the facility until Tyson bought it out, slashed wages, did away with seniority, pensions, overtime pay, etc. Hired illegals, in short did a total screw job on its employees, To this day I refuse to buy their products. A company I used to work for did pretty much the same thing when the President passed away.
        These greedy people are destroying reputations that took years to build. Other examples can be found in many other types of businesses. UAL was once a great air carrier, I refuse to fly them now, their customer neglect and abuse policies has caused me to look elsewheres. There was a time where businesses competed to see who would give you the biggest bang for your buck, now it seems who will charge you the most for the least amount of effort on their part.

        As for the no spanish comment, we never catered to immigrants with other language backgrounds, As long as they had a willingness to learn english, I don’t have a problem with that, If english speaking people wanted to immigrate to Mexico they are expected to learn and use their language. If we applied the same type of rules Mexico does to their immigrants to the immigrants here, all hell would be unleashed on how “nasty” we are! I dislike double standards. Why should we be expected to walk a tightrope when no one else will?
        USA gets discriminated by its own government! That must end!

        • macgyver1948

          Motov… Interesting response, thank you. In your last paragraph you express a very similar concept to what I was saying about infusing foreign languages here and how it would be received if we tried to do that in
          other countries. I didn’t mention Mexico as you do but they were very much included in my theory with running people out of the country after being tarred and feathered for trying to force a language on
          them. Maybe we should do that to our politicians who support that here since they are trying to destroy what has worked so well here for a long time.

          You talk about the greed of Tyson. I know a little of them as a company but I never worked for them. I was a business analyst at Walmart’s home office in North West Arkansas – Bentonville. There are folk
          stories there about 4 young men, all great buddies, who grew up to make themselves into multi-billionaires. Two of them were the guy who started Walmart, Sam Walton, and the guy who started Tyson. I believe
          Sam Walton is originally form Oklahoma but they got together in time.Things have greatly changed since those tycoons left company control in other people’s hands. I heard from the older Walmart associates
          that Sam Walton would not put up with what his company has turned into and one of Sam’s sons is Chairman of their board now.

          These two huge corporations are typical huge corporations and by no means not atypical in their actions for large corporations. If the execs of huge corporations want their hugely (yes, I am burning up the word huge here) lucrative contracts renewed they must keep the huge share holders and their hugely controlling boards smiling. What is most important to the execs, if they want their contracts renewed, is to
          grow profits, grow the company, shrink expenses as much as possible, keep corporate reputation publicly clean at all times/costs and keeping as much money at the top as possible – just a few. It is all about benefiting and protecting the corporation at all costs so top share holders will stay top share holders and the board members will enjoy their benefits.

          It is hard to imagine how they can do all that if they cared about employees and even customers. Yes, I know companies need customers because without their money the company gets none for their products.
          So imaginary corporate public images must be designed and maintained. The need for employees is so the execs can do more with less but just so it is not the execs who do more. Payroll is a huge expense and the easiest to control. I am not sure execs know or care if employees exist except for numbers on a ledger sheet and the work gets done.

          Execs will do whatever it takes and that includes buying the politicians they can, it has always been done that way. Tyson and Walmart are no
          different. But it is getting so obvious that there are certain political parties who lend themselves so much more, than others, to the highest bidders than others – with for sale signs on their backs. This is not in our best or other wise interest and it must stop. The Founders warned us of the evils of Corporate money in politics but we do not seem to learn.

          You say “especially larger corporations” and I agree. Many small corporations are primarily decent hard working caring people and one reason could be because the distance between those execs and their
          employees is tiny compared to that distance in large corporations. I often wondered if that kind of greater distance brought on more apathy and more greed. Whatever the reasons, and there are more then
          just this distance I mention, we have huge problems with our government as long as huge money controls them, whether elected or appointed, along with secrecy being allowed in the giving.

          There are many examples of the founders warning us about those evil greedy corporations but I will leave you with just one. As long as the politicians we elect and are supposed to trust have their hands out
          and sign Mafia like pledges we the people will suffer. It is up to us to stop them.

          “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” – Thomas Jefferson

          Maybe the big corporations will buy enough politicians so they can change the laws at will and Thomas
          Jefferson’s words will no longer apply. Many of the Founders words are already being edited and twisted and eliminated to benefit big corporations already as it is. How could that happen without the help of our
          purchased politicians? Do you see the weakening of the US Constitution already ate least from the last administration – the little bush?

          • Motov

            I call “the little bush” a shrub because I’m not impressed by Republicans who start illegal wars, pass BS legislation (Like the “Patriot act” which is completely unconstitutional, and which was conveniently written up to be presented just shortly after 9-11,…kinda makes ya think “inside job”)
            If we were smart, we should be voting for candidates who DO NOT have a gazillion bucks to flood the airwaves, billboards, etc, with “Vote for ME because my “opposition sucks” campaign. One needs to ask where does all this money come from? And what exactly did it purchase from our politicians? The evidence is clear, As they immediately break their campaign promises or make half-assed efforts, just to say “I tried”. And carry on with politics as usual. The crap continues to get worse and worse as the politicians get ever more sloppy, and don’t even try to hide their corruption anymore, as our brain-dead population continues to believe in fairy tales that Government will care for them at the expense of taxpayers. Who do you think will be abandoned first when the proverbial feces hits the fan?
            (Hint) Bureaucrats will last in line.
            Welfare, and (this totally sucks because it was supposed to be already paid for) Social Security payments will stop first, Our “savings”, 401(k) and any money assets will probably be stolen from us by the Government, because they have a spending problem and they show no signs of repentance. Obozocare will flop, Any other social program existing will also flop. Those depending on Government will find themselves left out in the cold.
            Only the super wealthy and those who can survive without modern technology will make it.

          • macgyver1948

            Motov… I hate war even the justified ones where we must go after those who attack us. But we have to go after the right enemy for those attacks and not the ones whop had nothing to do with 911 or any attack on us like the immoral invasions the shrub is guilty of. All
            those American lives the shrub cost us and the monetary costs are still adding up today every day. And the Patriot Act is helping to destroy liberty. In other words, you say it is “completely unconstitutional” but I say it is a Constitution destroyer.

            A lot of those “gazillion bucks” you mention come from The Koch Klan or Norquist and others whose only interests are protecting and benefiting huge corporations. The Patriot Act and others are to
            control us (also see below for more which controls us). All the more reasons we need to outlaw big corporate money, as the Founders wanted, and to make all donations viable contrary to what SCOTUS and
            Citizens United won against us. We were betrayed by that ruling. All the more reasons we need to outlaw the Mafia like Pledges which demand that the signers do as the pledge owners demand. The Pledge
            owners tell their signers how to vote and they must comply. This is too important to not continue to speak out against especially since over 270 TP owned GOP and a number of Libertarian Party members in
            congress have controlling strings attached to them.

            As you say “”Vote for ME because my “opposition sucks” campaign” is mainly an advertising ploy, our products and services are much better than my competitors so why even look at theirs?”. It is all BS but it is just to get elected or sell. Then, if elected,
            the politicians do as they are told, especially Pledge signers, all for the benefit and protection of the big corporations and We The People get screwed.

            Do you remember the sr bush yelling campaign promise “READ MY LIPS NO NEW TAXES”? It did greatly help to get him elected with huge support from the Right and the Corporations. Then when he did get his one term win he raised taxes and the support he had was gone because he didn’t do as he was told while in office so he lost his second term. Perhaps the little bush didn’t want that to happen to him, be a
            one termer like daddy, and he complied. That sr bush thing is the do the pledge thing in reverse. You do not comply you lose. You do as you are told we will give you loads of money and campaign support and
            you win. It is funny, the (property) puppet Mitt Romney, who it was said would do as he was told, got loads of corporate money backing him and the majority of voters and the electoral college still made him lose, thank God. To me he was the greater evil.

            You go on to say the “brain dead” public will go on believing the government will take care of us. Well, The Founders, in their wisdom, may have sensed that and wanted a citizens government of part time
            bureaucrats. They do their thing in office and then go home and do their real jobs there. We need to thinks about the lesson in that but things have changed so much we will need to make big adjustments. How
            do we find bureaucrats who care more about helping the country and us than they do about the money they are paid to not care about us but
            instead do the Plutocracy’s bidding?

            By the way, if programs such as Social Security and Medicare are stopped, as the Norquist and the Koch Klans etc (many corporations) want there will be millions of Americans who depend on them dead
            sooner or homeless and without med programs in spite of the GOP Mandate that was forced into Obamacare.

            Now for what I said “see below” about:

            George W. Bush Defends PRISM: ‘I Put That Program In Place To Protect The Country’ or in other words “GW Bush Defends Internet Spying”

            Former President George W. Bush defended PRISM,
            the Internet spying program that began under his administration but remained secret until The
            Washington Post and The Guardian revealed its existence last month.

            “I put that program in place to protect the country. One of the certainties was that civil liberties were guaranteed,” Bush told CNN in an interview airing Monday. “I think there needs to be a balance, and as the president explained, there is a proper balance.”

            PRISM began under Bush in 2007 and has continued under the Obama administration. The program allows the National Security Administration to collect internet and email data from the nation’s biggest technology

            more at


            “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin

            I agree with Benjamin Franklin. There were a lot or nasty programs the little bush began which continued into the Obama era. It takes time for many programs
            to get going and it takes time to study them to see which ones should continue or not. There are a lot of things a new admin has to do to go through all of them. The economic programs little bush began are
            still hurting us.

            Oh happy day.

            By the way, since we are here. If the TPGOP drafts their own Immigration Bill and wins there goes human compassion right out the window. I wonder what Jesus would say about that. I bet Jesus would not like how the Plutocracy is winning and nether would the Founders. I do not believe in Jesus but from all I have read about him I get that he would be upset.

          • Motov

            I believe Jesus would rather have us depend on God than the government. Democrats/Republicans are really on opposite sides of the same coin, and owned by the same puppet masters, it doesn’t matter who would have won, both would just continue the same crap.

            Remember Shrub Sr. message about entering a New World Order? We are now a “Global Society”. It seems to me, everyone is running their governments into the ground, so they can set up their one world government.
            But they have to get us used to not having our rights first. So one by one they restrict our bill of rights, twisting the language to suit their purposes, once their foot is in the door, it isn’t hard to slip in all the way. look at the so called “compromises” We give up our rights and they get what they want,…..more power. Then the process of lies start all over again to get even more power (through “compromises”) “Compromise” (their definition) means we get half of what we want this time with the promise of the rest next time. They are relentless. Which is why it must stop!!!

            BTW I live in Batesville, AR.
            I recall in the early ’80’s Wally-World had banners up all over their stores to BUY AMERICAN made products!!!

            Now all you can get from them is Chinese made stuff.

          • macgyver1948

            Motov… I believe you are so correct when you say “Jesus would rather have us depend on God than the government”. After all being a rabbi Jesus took his cues from Torah. I think way too many people who follow him forget or ignore that fact. One example is when the Israelites first asked to have a King so they could better deal with neighboring nations and God said no until He changed His mind and they anointed Soul as their first King. My thoughts on that was maybe God was thinking these humans can learn from their
            mistakes but we never really did as we developed human governments. The senior bush was not the first to talk about a one world government but how much of our Constitution would we have to give up
            if we go that way just so the OWG could control us better?

            Yeah, I agree, they slowly dwindle our rights and liberties so we, generation by generation, get used to not having them. We as Americans have to keep that from happening and the Founders told us to if we felt the government was evolving to far away from their
            model. We can go further into to this but maybe in time we all will need to.

            So you are are from Arkansas. What American Corporations are turning into is nasty for liberty. They buy and control politicians so they can better build their power base. Walmart is typical except only in
            the fact that they are bigger than almost all and they are very good at being who they are behind the scenes and telling the world a different story to our faces. I read Sam Walton’s boos while I work there and that is not the wally world of today. They talk about image and integrity to us but in fact they practice what will be only what is for the best for those at the top. I will give just one example for now.

            First of all they talk a great game of quality products. All associates have a 10% discount on many items but not for the most important category, FOOD. Anyway, on one particular day I was out with a friend and we went into Best Buys. When we were getting ready to check out our purchases I saw on the register line the President of Walmart International and he was buying a very large flat screen TV. I thought this may be funny since he too would receive the WM discount and I know the Walmart store across the street from Walmart’s Home Office had that model in stock. So I said hi to him and asked why here? His response was “This is for my family and I don’t want tech problems”. I knew some of the buyers and I knew what he meant plus I had to train for a bit in that WM store across from the Home Office and the returns where huge in electronics/Computers/etc.

            Walmart is growing so fast in China so naturally they would promote “Chinese made stuff”. I remember some of the little slants on products when I was working in that WM store. RCA, for example, since going to
            China is making c*rap. So some of the sales people in the store referred to RCA as “Really C*rappy Appliances”. With how things are going it is the way of the future – cheap in its less cost to manufacture/labor and expert to our shores and more profit for the retailers and manufactures. This is why the purchased politicians in our country are giving incentives to our manufactures to “make it” over seas. Either we get used to it, and it will get worse in time, or we fire the politicians supporting this and make the new elected
            politicians be more afraid of us at the polls than they are of the execs and other very wealthy who have bought them. We have to stop politicians from being “KOCH-ED or Norquist-ed” in any way because it is all for those kinds of people, the Plutocracy, the Walmart’s (I wont go into the real employee relations now but wow…) and not for We The People. You can throw your Tyson chicken company in if you like. What does GOP, especially now flavored with tea, really mean – Government of the Greedy and/for Wealthy People only”. Are the Dems better? Somewhat they are and hopefully they will stay tea-less but we have major problems with all the parties.

            One more thing about typical but more successful Walmart. They are growing in several countries, I think 13 when I left them 3 1/2 years ago. While there I was asked to sit in with a panel to help figure out how to transition Walmart out of Germany since Walmart could not make enough money in Germany as they would like. It seems that German laws helps protect their consumers and employees too much for Walmart’s taste. Go figure.

            Gee,that was fun, :-)

          • Motov

            A major research institution has recently announced the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science.

            The new element has been named Governmentium.

            Governmentium (Gv) has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.

            These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

            Since Governmentium has no electrons it is inert, however, it can be detected because it impedes every reaction with which it comes
            into contact. A minute amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second to take over four days to complete.

            Governmentium has a normal half-life of 4 years; it does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the
            assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium’s Mass will actually increase over time, since each
            reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.

            This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a
            critical concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical morass. When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes
            Administratium…an element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.

          • macgyver1948

            Motov… Some of the numbers fouled me up at first but this should be a secondary Physics, merged with current events and political science high school, class. It would be really funny if it didn’t resemble reality so d*amn much. Thanks, it will stay in my notes. :-).

            Until Governmentium was discovered Ununoctium
            and Ununseptium, each at an atomic weight of 294, were the heaviest elements and they are weighing us down. Neither of those elements have stable nuclides.
            I wonder, as Governmentium is more deeply studied by concerned scientist, those NOT working for the Oil or Pharmaceutical industries, if the heavy presence of the also newly discovered anatomical sub particles noticed in Governmentium, Apathedium and Greedium, in spite of their tiny sizes, which are very powerful all consuming and very self serving, as well as for richly controlling forceful elements, will be understood soon enough before it is too late. We have been suffering long enough by not noticing and
            reacting. The results of the massive effects from the buildup of Apathedium and Greedium is pure over bearing Lethargium (where people give up and accept a slave like state of mind) from the TEAdium. We
            can only hope.

            I need to get some sleep, that last beer is getting to me, LOL.

  • me

    The democratic senate passed another train wreck just like owebunholecare