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Gas’n’Go Under

January 6, 2011 by  

Gas’n’Go Under

While driving my hideously fuel-inefficient SUV earlier this week, I noticed the warning light on my instrument cluster alerting me that my gas tank was perilously close to “MSNBC’s primetime ratings.” Since I have access to neither the private jet nor the chauffer-driven limousine Al Gore uses when he leaves one of his multimillion dollar mansions, I pulled into the next gas station.

That’s when I noted the price of a gallon of gasoline starts with a “3.” The last time gas prices were this high, Democrats assured us it was a direct result of George W. Bush’s cozy relationship with “Big and/or Foreign Oil.”

“Since George Bush and Dick Cheney took over as president and vice president, gas prices have doubled… (because) They are too cozy with the oil industry”

California’s senior Senator Barbara Boxer offered that clever canard back in April of 2006. At the time, gas prices at the Exxon station from which she staged her shriekfest were $3.10/gallon, just over 8 cents above where they are right now. And Boxer wasn’t the only Democrat assailing Bush over the plight of the people who pay her fuel bills. According to then-junior Senator from New York Hillary Clinton:

“We are one accident or one terrorist attack away from oil at $100 a barrel!”

Actually, if the terrorists are planning this sort of petroleum-based ploy, it may already be too late. As of Tuesday, the price of a barrel of crude is just under $90, nearly $25 higher than it was while Senators Boxer and Clinton were blaming rising gas prices on the former president. Industry experts predict the price will eclipse $100 within a year.

As is the case with commodities — with the possible exception of Arkansas cattle futures — oil’s price can fluctuate wildly depending on supply. However, the supply of oil and the AVAILABLE supply of oil are not always the same thing. There is the oil which American interests pump out of the ground, then refine into useable products at reasonable profit. There is also oil which is chemically about the same as the American stuff, but is located in countries with names that contain words like “People’s Republic of” or sound like “Jihadistan” or are controlled by fascists like Hugo Chavez.

The first type of oil is fine. It makes your car go, heats your home, and gives liberals something to whine about. The second type of oil requires handing checks with more zeros than the Dailykos.com membership roster to reprobates like Chavez.

But oil is tricky stuff. It hides, either under places where caribou and polar bears pose for Sierra Club calendar shoots, or underneath the ocean, which not only presents a logistical problem, but can make seagulls yucky. When things go wrong, as it did last spring and summer during the Deepwater Horizon nightmare, it can create headaches for everyone from BP oil execs (Tony Hayward is still really, really sorry) to the President of the United States (“did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?”).

Fortunately, we have President Barack Obama and the Democrat Party to protect us. Thanks to a Democrat-backed ban on pretty much every kind of drilling outside the dentist’s office, the Gulf of Mexico is closing in on being clean of every kind of oil except Coppertone. So, it’s back to foreign oil; and $3+/gallon gasoline.

According to Monday’s Wall Street Journal:

“Oil companies are still waiting for approval to drill the first new oil well (in the Gulf of Mexico). Experts now expect the wait to continue until the second half of 2011, and perhaps into 2012.

But Obama lifted the ban last October, right? Sadly, he’s doing the same thing with energy as he did with Obamacare’s death panels: Using regulatory power to accomplish something he knew wouldn’t cut the mustard legislatively. The Obama Administration claims that “safety” concerns are the cause of the holdup. They used that same excuse to keep skimmers from saving manatees from an “Iffy-Lube” last summer.

Add that to the fact that Democrats have opposed virtually every effort to exploit or expand domestic resources over the last 40 years (the newest refinery in the U.S. was built in 1976; while the newest nuclear power plant dates to 1996), and the picture becomes clear.

So, Senator Boxer: When are you scheduling your “President Obama isn’t doing enough to lower gas prices” press conference?

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Angel Wannabe

    Egads!_ I lived through the Gas rationing of the 70′s. Odd/Even numbered license plates could only get gas on certain days_Is that where were headed again???__Gas lines that stretched out through the gas station driveway, and lined the side of the highway, as far as the eye could see. Quite Frankly, if need be I’ll friggin walk, that’d help with the 15 pounds I’d like to lose anyway. On the other hand, for the folks who HAVE to travel far for work, I feel for them at the gas pump. As far as fuel oil goes, get a wood stove and only buy the oil limit for back up. The only way to knock these oil b*stards down is to boycott them, but there is way too many folks who just don’t have the alternative means to do it.

    • hflashman

      Crystal, as always, tries to dumb down his audience hoping they forget the historical facts. When Bush II cozied up to Big Oil, the prices rose because of one fact…manipulation of the market. Coincidentally, the largest corporations in the world, the ones who are self proclaimed ‘masters of efficiency’…had all but one US refinery shut down for “maintenance” all at the same time. The “shortages” during the Bush years, ad the price hikes…were all artificial. At the same time, the GOP and the Bush/Cheney cabal, played footsy with Big Oil to reject any eergy program for this Nation which would relieve it of the security dangers being addicited to oil.

      Plain fact is…we don’t have much left in the US. You can cite all the “numbers” you want…but fact of the matter is…we don’t have enough. And our national security is placed in great danger because of the lack of a viable, non-oil import free energy policy. Nothing short of traitorous if you strip it down to bare essentials.

      And yes, the Dems are also to blame in some way for not highlighting this as a national concern and needing immediate redress. But when the top GOP Rep on the Energy Committee APOLOGIZES to BP for their wasting the Gulf, and is now slated to head that committee … you can see how deep into the pockets the GOP is.

      Weaning off oil is going to cost. Shortages and price hikes during Bush II were artifically created, and did nothing but line the pockets of Big Oil and their paid lackeys in Congress and the WH. Price hikes becaue Big Oil wants us to pay for daring to try and free ourselves from thier opiated needles are going to be pr for the course as we wean ourselves off….if we have the backbone and courage.

      Any calls for “drill baby drill’ harms our national security and does nothing but ensure the Irans and Venezula’s of the world continue to rake in our money.

      So…when the wacked post on this board criticizing regulations and taxation of oil products….bear in mind…they are supporting the Iranian regime, China, and Hugo Chavez. And doing so with great pride.

      • Airborne8

        HFLASHMAN, you must live in a different place the the rest of Americans. Gas prices are the most manipulated economic item we encounter, short of perhaps electicity rates in Texas. Having said that, there is more than ample domestic supply for the needs of generations to come. If we wish to transition to other forms of energy and the citizens of this fine Nation make an INFORMED decision to support that effort, so be it. It would be helpful, however, to implement that transition is a reasonable, thoughtful manner. Stopping offshore production, for example, by our intersts while every other producing country continues in their efforts is blatantly stupid. It artifically thwarts developing domestic supply without having an alternate system in place. Taxing the public via the gas tax to support governmental agendas, directly or indirecly, is a form of economic punishment that the citizens should not endure either.

        • hflashman

          Airborne…are you taking Spanish Lessons or Farsi. Because you are showing to the world where your loyalty lies. And it’s not with the US.

          And that, Sparky, is a fact.

          • DaveH

            Imagine that — a thieving, Big-Government-Loving Liberal posing as the judge of somebody else’s American credentials.

          • kenneth

            Keep up the lying it will really help. We have enough oil in this country that we don’t need to import, but why do we. Oh it’s because the liberals are afraid of global warming. As is we buy our oil from countries we don’t agree with will make that better. The liberals have hugged enough trees, bears, and everything else that no one can drill in the USA and even if they could, the regulation for refining it are to much for companies to make it possible. Quite the lying. If we opened up oil production in the USA we wouldn’t have high oil prises, we wouldn’t have a job problem, and we wouldn’t have an economic problem. The only problem we have in the USA is the power hungry liberals who want to tax and control everything. Get off your liberal high chair and come down to reality. I see you on a lot of these comment enter net sights, and all you do is spread your ridiculous lies. You and people like you in power are why we are in the shape we are in.

          • independant thinker

            flashman, as usual, is posting what I deposit in the porcelin throne each day.

          • Christin

            Very well said, Kenneth.

            America has plenty of OIL and GAS, but people and liberal organizations, like EPA posing as environmentalists (but really just communists taking away our God given natural resources) and Real Environmentalists who (a bit misguided) think the earth will lose ALL of God’s creatures and plantlife, because of man… and so dig their heals into the soil and say “NO” to the rest of the people of our country that WE CAN NOT drill, dig, or claim American resources needed to take care of our citizens.

            Not drilling for our OWN oil and gas or other natural resources just allows the Progressives to “Redistribute OUR Wealth” to those “other” countries mentioned in the article.

            Let’s see… drill for oil and gas in America (creating jobs and keeping prices low and affordable so everyone can make ends meet finacially) and take care of We the People…
            OR
            send our BILLIONS of American dollars over seas to Communist and Islamic countries (to make them rich to further fight against us)…. hhhmmmm…. what should we do????

            Great article, Ben Crystal… thanks.

          • JIBBS

            Hey flash, are you stupid by nature or did the government educate ?

      • ValDM

        Flashy,
        You are just as uninformed about this subject as so many others. If you want alternative energy, you can have it. I can’t afford it, and probably you can’t either. But it’s not my neighbor’s duty to supply me with it as you would like. Like it or not, we are tied to oil for now and the forseeable future. Ask yourself some serious questions about how much oil America actually does have. Find out where the oil resides and how much of it there really is. Don’t just sit on your hands and use the left’s propaganda about oil. FIND OUT. We have more than enough for the next 100 years if we were allowed to drill, but as usual, you just spout the “talking points” instead of having anything valid to say.

        • hflashman

          If we have a vast supply…how come the oil wells are in 5 miles of water and going further out?

          As I stated to Airborne…you’re showing where your loyalties lie…and it’s not with the US. And denigrating anyone who supports freeing ourselves from oil does nothing but prove that fact.

          • DaveH

            Do you ever have anything useful to say, Flashdunce?

          • Gary T

            The problem in the US is that the government puts most of the oil here in the USA in the oil reserve so we can’t use it. I can show you over 100 wells that have been capped and no longer available for use & that’s just in Montana. Look at ANWR in Alaska. We can’t do anything because it might scare animals that only pass through the area twice a year. I’ve been there and it’s one of the most desolate places I’ve ever been in.

          • east texas

            I can answer that question, Mr. Flashman, it is because our evironmentalists would not let us drill anywhere but five miles out. It is not because the oil is depleted here in the U.S.A. There is plenty of oil still waiting to be drilled and could be produced safely and without dire threats to our environment. There are those of us that are still not sure the last spill in the Gulf was an “accident”! If we had alternate energy plans in effect, I would be the first to say “yes” lets depend on that type of energy, but please, we are cutting our own throats by not drilling when every other country to burning it up. We are, I am afraid, being held hostage by our own government. Agree with me or not – I don’t really care.

          • ValDM

            Flashy,
            I don’t believe I denigrated you, but that would go along with all that “hatred and bigotry” the left slings around any time someone disagrees with them. I asked you to do some RESEARCH and get some FACTS before you spew. I see that didn’t work. You still want to be just as ignorant as you sound, frequently. That being said, look up the BAKKEN Field; it’s a good place to start. BTW, we all know about your predeliction for “clean” fuel. How does it grab you that all those wind farms are killing the wildlife? How “clean” its that?

          • njgirl

            If that’s the case, why then is China drilling in Texas?

          • Dogma-Free

            Flash, you’re wasting your time trying to explain to these brainwashed half-wits. Firstly, well…they’re brainwashed half-wits, and secondly, they won’t listen to anything that doesn’t line up with the propaganda they have been fed through the years. As I’ve said before, they’re conditioned to be this way from a young age, so they may not even realize they’re doing it. Still, as so many of the spout off about awareness, and since they are adults, they should be accountable for their own actions.

            Again, I can understand why the Republican/GOP politicians would want to push the Republican/GOP agendas, since they are the rich folk who want to continue being rich…and the rest of the country (and the planet) be damned. Fair enough. And I can also understand why Bob Livingston, Ben Crystal, and the rest of these well-paid, far-right ‘pundits’ would want to keep pushing those agendas, since that actually gives them a job (cuz really, what else would they be doing?), and ensures they will continue to be well paid for serving their part in the corporate machine (much like Goebbels did for Hitler and the Nazi movement, whom, I’m told, the Republicans – and especially the Bush family – had ties to).

            What I don’t understand, however, is how or why the average American shlub – who isn’t rich, and likely never will be rich – would ever want to push the far-right agenda of the GOP. It just doesn’t make sense.
            Like I said, the only reason I can see for this, is that maybe because of their religious upbringings, where they were fed stories and told not to question the stories (else they were being ‘unfaithful’), that this conditioned them to hearing stories from those who claim to be ‘led by god’, and to just instinctively believe, and most certainly never question those ‘facts’.

          • JIBBS

            Are for real because like the government, I can’t blieve the crap that comes out of you mouth, do yourself a favor and shut your piehole. We would love to drill for the oil buck your uncle obummer won’t let us……….WAKE UP !!!

        • USNpops

          A bit of recent history for you “Alternative Energy” folks.

          Boone Pickens, yup the wealthy oilman came out a year or two ago with the idea of spend much of his fortune to put wind farms intothe midwes, and take advantage of the wind that blows in the plains. Had a fancy website etc. and wnt whole hog into the fray. Until he found that it would cost so much, and the infrastructure couldnt support it, he pulled out and has gone back to oil or whatever.

          The state of Maine fought and got funding and support to put wind farms off the coast of Mass out in the water. They have now a few windmills working, but the cost is such that none of the power companies in the area will buy the generated power. Again perhaps that will die as well.

          Hillary Clinton has made a deal with a chinese company to come to the US and with Government financial support put windfarms in the southwest. This is a done deal, and a ton of government funding is being directed toward this endeavor. Making jobs for the Chinese, not the US. The windmills by the way are being made in China, not by an american company.

          I could go on, but the bottom line is, Alternative energy may be the future, but in the here and now, we need oil and here at home. Count the years that it took to get an infrastructure that took us from the horse and buggy to automobiles all over the country. It was decades, and alternative energy will take decades to take hold and be viable as well.

          • hflashman

            You guys rally want to go there with this? OK…here’s some data for you.

            Oregon produces 71% of it’s electricity from non fossil fuel sources. The goal is to push that to the 90′s by end of 2015. Major sources of generation is hydro and wind. Current production facilities under construction is a wave generation facility off the ocast, five new wind farms estimated to produce enough to power almost 1 mil homes, and the DOT is instaling solar panels in various places along the freeways to supply the electricity for the night lights. Further, the state auto pool is almost 100% fuel efficeint cars and Tri Met bus system is converting to bio mass diesel which should be completed as the buses are replaced…estimated total conversaion by 2015.

            I know…it’s soooo expensive. Guess that’s why we have the lowest electricity rates in the union.

            One of the biggest headches currently is that the hydro system runs flat out in the spring tohandle the run off waters from the snow melt and spring rains…and the wind farms keep humming along. That produces a deleicate balancing act handling the overproduction since the infrastructure high powered lines running to California aren’t able to handle the peak loads. Fact of the matter is, several wind farms have to slow down in the Spring and late winter because of the over production and the need to handle the runoff waters to prevent flooding.

            Now…as to fuel for cars etc.

            Natural gas. Not a problem with supply anywhere as it is abundant. What is a problem is the state has been trying to mandate gas stations to have natural gas and electrical hook ups for alternative energy cars and trucks…ad it’s being fought tooth and nail by the oil companies.

            Bio mass. C’mon….folks and restaurants throw away enough from the table each day to fuel a fleet of cars.

            Mass tansit. Portland has world recognition for its mass transit system. It moves a lot of folks, is clean, efficient, safe and reliable. MAX and the trolley system are wonders any tourist should travel on when going to portland.

            Land use and zoning. It’s simple. No urban sprawl. Period. End of sentence.

            See…the aysayers who support the Iranian regime , the Middle East shiekdoms and Venezula (i.e. everyone here who supports ocntiued reliance on oil), don’t want to pay the cost of freedom. nope…they’d rather we rape our land for a few years supply and continue to be addicted and beholden to the lifeline of tankers we rely on to keep this nation running.

            Folks like to puff up their chest and call themselves a ‘patriot’ and willing t pay the cost for freedom. Bah…they don’t even want to pay 10 cents more a gallon for us to be free …. some ‘patriot’ eh?

            Y’all like to brag ad puff out the chest…but whe it comes right down to it..y’all aren’t nothing more than toothless braggarts unwilling to pay a few cents more for gasoline and unwilling to pay off the debt we’ve accumulated thanks to Reagan and Bush II.

            As long as it’s not you, you’re OK with it. When it affects you, gawd forbid and there goes the patriotism you all like to brag having.

            Bunch of snivelling whiners if you ask me …

          • JUKEBOX

            Flash doesn’t tealize that a lot of those rigs Herobama shut down in the Gulf just pulled out and moved into the friendlier part of the Gulf, Mexico.

          • ValDM

            This is in reply to Flashy:
            i used to live in the Columbia River Gorge. I know all about hydro-electric power generation. So as long as we’re on the subject, here we go. as for Orygun having the cheapest electric in the states, that’s a bunch of bunk. BPA (Bonneville Power Adm) is in charge of all the dams along the Columbia: Bonneville, North Bonneville, The Dalles, John Day and one other, Grand Coulee. The Columbia used to be a wild river with many native peoples earning their living from the river. Since the Columbia was “tamed” with all these dams, the salmon runs and steelhead runs have been decimated. As well as whole towns that have gone under thanks to the dams flooding where these town used to be. The town of North Bonneville had to be MOVED entirely to make way for that particular dam. Now you want environmentally “clean” energy and like to brag about how Orygun does it. Is the PRICE of your “clean” energy worth whole communities and a way of life WORTH it? I’ve lived amongst you mealy-mouthed people(I use the term people loosely as it applies to you) for more than 22 years and fianlly had to get away. Let me ask you this: how is Orygun doing financing their schools? I understand you’ve closed one in ten recently. How does your “clean” energy create a tax base that supports all your renewable electricity? I’ll tell you: they are every one of them built and subsidized with Fed money. So, in effect you have stolen from me so you can feel good about your energy sources. How do you feel about the salmon and steehead runs ? Don’t care? Well, I do. there’s a price everyone pays for whatever energy they use. Yours is costing ALL of us TOO MUCH.

          • JeffH

            ValDM, nuff said! I’ve driven the Columbia River Gorge Hwy 84 many times and I can only imagine what once was and always enjoyed the scenery. From California to Hwy 97 to Oregon 84 all the way to Hwy 82 Umatilla then connect to 395 north to the Tri-City area in Washington many times on my way to hunt waterfowl up around the Potholes area.

            Many times I imagined what the Columbia River must have looked like as originally flowed and what little farms and towns that might have been drowned out in the name of progress

          • JIBBS

            Flashgordon, since you have all the answears, check this out….last friday 1-7-11, I check with a contractor who doe’s installs for SOUTHWEST WINDPOWER, it won’t take me off the grid completely, but for $48,000 yes, thats $48,000 I can get wind power for my home in Missouri. The part is after paying back the loan over 15 years, 30% rebate on total install price, I will have saved $00,00 dollars and will be in a negative cash flow anfter all that bullshit, not to mention maint. costs. Someone is blowing smoke up your ass, or you are inhaling smoke. The contractor is in Pomona Mo. Please flash, just stop talking !

      • DaveH

        As usual, Flashdunce deluges us with name-calling, conjecture, and fabricated facts.

        • TIME

          Dave,
          I think flash has been getting a lot of mixed signals from his mother ship.

          You know Flash did say he lives in Oregon, as we all know it rains there so much of the time, I think the problem is the news just gets to wet before he reads it..
          So with all the runny print the news gets really distorted, and with that big TIN FOIL Cap on, man he’s getting a double dose of SparkEEE too.

        • eddie47d

          Dave …and what were those fabricated facts that YOU are talking about.

          • DaveH

            “the prices rose because of one fact…manipulation of the market”
            “The “shortages” during the Bush years, ad the price hikes…were all artificial”
            “Shortages and price hikes during Bush II were artifically created”

            and more. Find the rest yourself, Eddie.

          • eddie47d

            The markets were manipulated Dave, where have you been.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            Yeah, it was all Bush2s fault! Well, what do you say the problem NOW is??? I am paying more for gas right now, today, than I have EVER paid in my life! 3.16 a gallon! I suppose Bush2 caused this too? Your liberal progressive hero has done NOTHING to cure the problem and that’s the truth!!! The only ones these prices are really hurting are the poor and the lower middle class! If flash gets his wind energy and it powers a whole line of electric cars, who do you think are going to be able to afford a 30,000 dollar car??Those making over 50,000 dollars a year and nothing under!

      • http://www.transoceanicferry.com Mike

        Sorry sir but as hard as I try I can not begin to follow your thinking!!

      • HenryStevens

        That’s right, Flash, Blame Bush. What part of “Drill Baby Drill” don’t you understand? Living under the control of the Eastern Rag Heads and Chaves is this countries way to Doom. We have more oil reserves that could if used a little more would last us centries. We could get out of the Pockets of everyone of these Rinky Dinky countries that are Gouging the Hell out of the Once Great United States. Stuff your liberl views and go to a country that is controlled by these little demigods Rule and see how you like it!!
        “Nuff Said”

        • eddie47d

          Why do you think they are called oil reserves? That is an odd comment coming from someone on a “conservative” site. Everyone talks about the impending doom and stockpiling food and weapons; yet doesn’t want our government to be prepared. No need for emergency reserves?!

      • BobbyB

        Cheney is one of his few truthful moments said we hit peak oil a few years ago. He is a guy that would know~

      • Carol

        I remember the first gas shortage. I was living in Tulsa at the time and was well aware the shortage was the shutting down of 6 out of every 7 wells belonging to the Indians. Heard about from them also. Let’s see. Who was president at the time? Oh, yes, it was Lyndon Baines Johnson. Definitely not a Republican.

      • Ted Crawford

        Ole flash is at it again! Spreading more falsehoods. Refineries are never completely shut down! Plants within refineries that are undergoing maintainance are usually operated at off peak levels and only occosionally shut down for a few days or weeks at most for the safety of the workers. It’s clear that ole flash is a deciple of comrade alinsky!

    • http://yahoo olefellow73

      Its not so much people don’t have the means to boycott the oil company’s
      as it is the Amercan people are to stupid to do anything to help thereselves. Think I am wrong look at the crap we have in washington making our desesions for our country

    • Wanda Murline

      I remember the 70′s also, and I believe Peanut farmer Carter was the President when interest rates hit an all time high of 22%. Me thinks he was also a Democrat. The reason the Horizon was such a disaster is that the government would not allow them to drill in 500 feet of water…oh no, they pushed them out into 5,000 feet of water with absolutely no inclination as to what would happen should they have an oil leak. The Obama administration just loaned (I thought America was broke so don’t know where the money came from) Brazil over 8 billion dollars to drill very close off shore…oil for America…sorry, not so…Brazil’s oil is destined for (you guessed it) China. We have a bunch of America killing terrorists in Congress right now and we need to take them down, either by the vote, or by the revolutionary way…either way, they need to go.

      • Proud to be a Christian

        You are so correct. Plus I’ll bet noone on this blog knows that Hillary got all kinds of offshore funding to build manufacturing plants (textiles and then sewn into closing) for Haiti making thousands of jobs for them. Also the US Embassy there is one of the five largest in the world and hires 1000 Haitians, all self contained. The reason for the manufacturing facilities is that the Haitains are made slaves and paid 30 cents an hour. Unions and regulations (stupid ones at that) have driven all USA manufacturing overseas which I don’t blame the investors one bit.

      • HenryStevens

        Well said Wanda. Exactly my sentiments. This Duffus in the White House and his rag head friends are killing this nation!!!! “Nuff Said”

    • 45caliber

      You are correct. I’ve seen a lot of people in the NE insist that we should cut our use of gasoline – but that isn’t easy when you live 50 miles from where you can find a job. I drive 36 miles one way each day to work. Luckily my employer allows us to work 10′s so we only have to drive 4 days a week. And no one needs to insist that we should live closer; there isn’t a place available. Thanks to the EPA, we can’t get too close to the companies we work for since they are required to keep a “green buffer” around the plants.

      • eddie47d

        Wow! A 36 mile buffer??

        • JIBBS

          your about as smart as flash

    • Les

      Angel, I sold my wood/pellet stove last month, right before they passed the new county ordinance making the stoves a crime against the state. Apparently they saw some Polar Bears falling from the sky. The DEQ, EPA and various bureaucracies will continue their march to Complete Control and national enslavement if the revolution fails. Good to hear from the FlashTroll, such ignorance and propaganda are good for mindless moments. Peak oil and dead dinosaurs make great cartoons – “Global Warming” – boyz are girlz and girlz are boyz; we have a gulag for those who need re-educated.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Les,
        all should do as I do. I replace the wood I use monthly! It never looks like I burn a stick of wood. My father-in-law has two acres and he lets me stack it out there as well. I probably have two years worth of wood and haven’t paid a cent for any of it. I watch for trees being cut down and go around after bad storms and cut up the bigger limbs for the wood. the property owners are glad as it costs them nothing and I get free wood! Done this for twenty years now and still burning every day!!!

    • Johnny

      I agree with the boycott. However, for that to work people need to get organized and pick on only one refiney at a time. I people boycot ramdonly, it will not work and the gas people know that. We have to organize on one gas company at a time for the to feel the heat and the loss of revenue. Sending the message that we will not take it anymore. ONE REFINERY AT A TIME FOR IT TO WORK. That will force that refinery to lower their prices if they want to keep on making a profit. Reasonably that is.

    • Robert Pa.

      This is the same “SCAM” that they have been peddling since 1870. They use to “Dump” gasoline down old mine shafts and wells to get rid of it.
      Henry Ford bought 2 gallons for $.04 from a “Tailor” shop. They use to use gasoline to clean “Wool” suits. That’s why we use it.

      I’m working on a “free Energy” box that generates 600 KW of electrical power from “The Whole Atomic Structure of the Universe” directly, no heat or carbon footprint. Just can’t get any funding. “ALL” the grants went to “Exxon”!!! Surprised???

    • EddieW

      Negative!!! We were warned about two months ago, that gas was going to $5.00 a gallon in two months!! we not quite there yet, but Sorros…the multi billionaire said he was going to raise the gas prices…he controls it!!! Whatcha think of the Big Bad Boobo by Obaba?
      Russia Jeers: Obama Signed Away Missile Defenses
      Russia’s legislature says the New START nuclear arms treaty ratified last month by the U.S. Senate restricts the U.S. from building and operating missile defenses against nuclear attacks. President Obama says the opposite: that the treaty “places no limitations on the development or deployment of our missile defense programs.”

      Konstantin Kosachev, who was apparently sneering that U.S. negotiators had been tricked. Kosachev claimed, “our American colleagues do not recognize the legal force of the treaty’s preamble. The preamble sets a link between strategic offensive arms and defensive arms.” it gives no license for future defensive systems.

      Russian officials have been saying all along that the agreement restricts U.S. efforts toward building missile defenses.

      Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the time said, “linkage to missile defense is clearly spelled out in the accord and is legallybinding.”

      (Haha they probably didn’t bother to read it!!!)

  • Karolyn

    I know how to save on gas. Don’t drive a gas-guzzling suv. What is up with that anyway. Where I live there are a great many suvs and trucks. Granted, here there are also farms and farms and land and land. However, on a trip to nearby Charlotte, one encounters a lot of suvs driven by soccer moms. Just what is up with that? I just don’t get it. Is it status? Safety? To me, it’s just plain stupid! Don’t complain about money and the price of gas while driving a gas-guzzler!

    • skip

      Right on – and there as some truth is what Crystal says, but just some. Essentially the same car I drive here at 31 mpg gets 64 mpg in Europe. Why the difference? Why were we told by GM and its cronies in the 1950s that there was no way we could achieve a fleet mileage of 10mpg? Why in the prosperous 1st world countries of Europe are there essentially no SUVs? Why does France do well with 80% nuclear power? Why have China and Denmark stolen our ham in manufacturing wind/solar approaches to power? Could it possibly be the influence of the oil interests on our government? Why pay fortunes to those countries listed by Crystal for their oil – that is a horrific tax on us and our country? We’d better get the long view, not the short Enron immediate profit view – or we will be in the perpetual outhouse.

      • Disgusted

        There is so much control/influence from BIG OIL on our government it is disgusting. We could be oil independent today if that influence didn’t exhist. Our government has been bought and paid for by several entities not just the BIG OIL. The sole purpose of the Department of Energy was to free our country from oil dependency – that was how many years ago? (1952 – almost 60 years!) and How much money? (I shudder to think). We are no closer today than we were in 1952…our government at work! And they want to take over our Health Care!! Crazy and Disgusting!!!!!

      • Commonsense

        Have you ever been to Europe and Asia? I am so tired of listening to people rant about how wonderful Europe is but have never been there. Traveled trough it while serving abroad, and by and large, people don’t own SUVs cars or anything because#1: Their economy is crap,#2: there aren’t many outlying places such as suburbs, farms ranches, you have to live in whatever village you can, oh and, by the way, there aren’t any villages really that aren’t umteen million years old. Running water and indoor toilets are still luxury over there in alot of places. ect.#3 They have no road system at all compared to our country.#4 As far as fuel efficiency, the octane rating on our gas is sh@t compared to anywhere else.#5 There propaganda about biofuel not working is also crap. The plant I sometimes do work for buys corn, wheat, barley, ect at so much a bushel or ton. They make the ethonal and then turn around and sell the used grain at the same price as the paid for it. The ranchers and farmers love it because the fermenting process gets rid of sugars and starches and can triple the protien content of the grain. You all can let big brother bullsh!t you into stupidity, I for one will keep looking into their smokescreens and make decisions based on my own research, not the research of so government funded program. I f you don’t like living here and aren’t willing to fight for the true American way of life that can only come by following our Constitution and keeping our government within its’ boundaries, then move to Europe or someplace and get the hell out of here, please. I will even pay for the fare if you are willing to hand me your citizenship when you board the plane. Because once you leave, I don’t want you coming back whining how Europe sucks rope.

        • eddie47d

          The Europeans I’ve run across seems more content and satisfied with their lives than some Americans. They don’t seem to have the obsession with wanting more or at least thing they don’t need. We Americans whine about $2.50 gas prices when theirs is 5-6 dollars (Euros). We’re too spoiled for our own good.

          • libertytrain

            One thing the Germans have had that for some reason our politicians never had the brains to create or allow business to create, is a good transportation system connecting many towns and villages thereby eliminating much of the for total dependency on autos

          • Tony

            Then move to Europe if you hate America and Capitalism so much!

          • Karolyn

            Liberty – I was just thinking the same thing. We Americans are just so spoiled, each one driving a car wherever we need to go. I remember when I was a kid, we lived about 3 miles out of town; and the bus ran so we could take it to town. Nowadays, everybody’s too spoiled to take a bus (me included). However, I live in the woods, so I need a car.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn, I don’t feel like I’m spoiled living out in the country. However, when I was young and lived in the city, I did walk to work, or if necessary took a bus. Didn’t drive, didn’t have a license and it wasn’t a problem. Now it would be a problem. When one lives in the city most of the time or near a big city, one has no clue how so many of us in America do live because we do not have the opportunity to hop a bus, or train, or subway.

          • Dogma-Free

            Eddie, I would agree. I had the opportunity to go to Germany (Freiburg im Brisgau) a few years ago, and the people there seem far less concerned about the size of their televisions, or watching ‘reality’ tv, than people here are with such things. They just seem to enjoy ‘life’ more…but then, after having two world wars fought on their soil, maybe that’s understandable.

            Anyways, as you said, gas is so very expensive there, and so as a result, people drive their cars much less…usually only when they need to. Most people there have bicycles, and bike or walk almost daily…otherwise, they have a terrific transit system (that is always on time).
            And even the cars there are quite often small hatchbacks or wagons, and I think most cars sold there come with the option of a diesel engine.

            Like you said, I think we have become very spoiled and very decadent here, and I really don’t think it serves us.

            People talk about there being a ‘war on christmas’ (why are we so obsessed with calling every situation, a ‘war’??)…well, I think we have done it to ourselves, by feeding the corporate machine, and replacing the old idea of ‘god’, with an entirely new one – the even more mighty god of retail sales!

            And, yes, I do realize that christians stole the idea of ‘Christmas’ from the pagans, and eventually got people to think theirs was the original version, but even so…now it means nothing but selling tons of meaningless trinkets, and capitalizing on the boxing day sales afterwords.

            Also, the first ‘hybrid’ car was designed over 100 years ago (by Dr. Porsche, I believe), and could have easily been a mainstream automotive reality for all of us here now, if the GOP wasn’t so busy pandering to BIG OIL.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            Part of the reason for that is driving across their entire country is less driving than across Texas! As far as their road system the Autobahn is a work of art! I can remember driving at 110 miles an hour and it felt like thirty! Tell me why there are old brick roads in the city that are over 100 years old yet highways are having to be replaced every 5 years? It’s the quality of the original work! The bed prep is crap, the materials used are crap, and the work performed is crap. If the paving company tries to fire someone for inferior work, the dam union won’t let them do it!

        • Lastmanstanding

          Outstanding response Commonsense!!! I often offer to buy libs/progs a 1 way plane ride out and have yet to have any takers. Bottom line is that they can’t stand to here the SIMPLE,COMMONSENSE TRUTH…

        • kenneth

          Biofuels are good. The problem is again the reason for using is to please the liberals. They claim it is a more ego friendly fuel because it gives off less carbon based waste, which has been proven faults because it actually gives of co2 twice. Once when it is fermented and then again when it is burnt. If actually is a great fuel but it also uses up the products we use for food so everything food based that is effected by it is more expensive. The problem with the product being used to make the fuel can be changed, that isn’t the problem. The problem is the idea it can be made as a replacement fuel for oil and that is ridiculous, and the idea that co2 is causing global warming is a farce also. The irony of it all is that the liberals want to argue it both ways so it looks like oil is a demon fuel. It isn’t they just have turned it into that with all of the lies they have put out and therefore all the regulation to keep it from being drilled. They talk about big oil as being the problem of the USA but what it really is, is that they want control over the money being exchanged for oil. They want the power of controlling fuel whatever that might be. This is where the true conspiracy is. Because of that everything related to fuel like automobiles have been demonized by the left. As far as biofuel goes, they are looking at using grass as the product to get the sugar to turn into alcohol and if that works, there is no reason why we shouldn’t plant this in all of the ditches which are mowed all growing season along our roads. Baled up and used to make alcohol. There are plenty of ditches in this country to make a hell of a lot of fuel. The idea everyone should drive a small vehicle that just goes back to the liberal thinking that we all need to be small thinkers like the Europeans, and that isn’t why we are the greatest country in the world. If has less liberals running our government we wouldn’t be spend so much time fight to keep from going that way. There in itself is the biggest problem. That is what Obama stands for and all of the hand holding lying liberals are about.

          • kenneth

            Sorry for all of the typos. I was in a hurry.

          • Karolyn

            Kenneth said: “The idea everyone should drive a small vehicle that just goes back to the liberal thinking that we all need to be small thinkers like the Europeans, and that isn’t why we are the greatest country in the world. ”
            It’s not necessarily “small” thinkers; it’s more simple thinkers. What’s so wonderful about thinking big? “More” and “bigger” isn’t necessaily better and won’t make us happier. We in this country are so spoiled and egotistical it’s ridiculous. Why do you think people in some other countries don’t like us? We think we’re better than anyone else.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn and don’t forget if you have more than two children, you need a larger vehicle since the law requires back seat seating, car seats, etc till the kids are what 12 yrs or so in many or all states?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kenneth,
            don’t forget that they are also working on biofuels made from algae. This could be harvested from any water purification plant or sewage treatment plant in the world! I still want my van! I have a handicapped son I take care of and it is far easier to get him in a van than our hyundae! Also, I am 6’1″ tall and I pity ANYBODY that has to sit behind me in a small car!

    • Ron Sasileo

      Driving around in the BIG “GAS-GUZZLING” vehicles as you put it is one thing. I live in New Jersey,not by choice but by necessity. I called for a price on home heating oil, and was shocked to find it was $3.30 a gallon. What the hell am I soposed to do about that!

      • Karolyn

        Hey Ron – I’m glad I don’t live there anymore. I would not be able to heat my house! I have electric heat here in SC, and it only costs me around $75 per month to heat and cool the house depending on how extreme the weather is. Tops is $100, and that’s really ex treme. And it’s a 3 bedroom mobile home, so you know there’s next to no insulation.

        • independant thinker

          The fact you live in a large manufactured home means nothing as far as insulation effeciency is concerned. It depends on the age of the home. I moved from a small three bedroom house to a large 3 bedroom manufactured home (almost double the square footage) in the same general area and my heating/cooling bills stayed essentialy the same.

          • Karolyn

            Independent – It’s an old one from the 80s and not that large.

      • hflashman

        Ron…small ‘house perfect’ wind and solar systems. They work. Tax deduxtable and you can receive low interest loans for the conversion units.

        • WillyG

          Wind? in NJ? unless you live in an elevated area (way north) or along the coast you can forget using wind for any worthwhile electricity. Solar works to offset costs, but to heat your home in the winter when the Sun is the least effective… hmmm guess you did not think that one thru either. I own a 9.6K array (thats huge! 48 200W panels) and I still see $200 electric bills and I heat primarily with Oil. (just paid $785 for 250G… ouch) BTW in 2000~2001 I was buying Oil for heat <$1. Price has tripled in 10y.

          If you really want to save, you first need to spend (a lot). The most efficient way I have found is to go to hydroponic radiant heat in the floors. If you buy a serious wood furnace (looks like a shed outside in the yard) and get wood by cutting (when its free) or collect lumber whenever you see it lying about you can get really cheap hot water to run your heating and domestic hot water. (these are your 2 largest energy expenses in a home. Added benefit is you could heat a swimming pool too if you had one.

          Ok granted this solution is possibly problematic in "neighborhoods" "condos" etc… For those folks, go make more money to pay for your lifestyle.

          The real answer is to build about 50 more Nuclear plants using the latest technology the French (no i am not fond of them, I even hate that my awesome skis came from there too) have developed over the last several decades we sat out of the game. My understanding from reading up on it that they have developed methods to reprocess the "fuel" which reduces the waste. Less waaste makes it more viable. If we spent more energy on dealing with the waste it would lead to a better cost model. Nukes (when properly built, operated and maintained) have proven to be the least risk over time. My father spent 20yrs designing piping for these plants and I would say is a bonifide expert on the subject. He would tell you the Nuclear power idea is far and away the best method for large scale generation.

          For all you Solar folks… (remember I own a big array and I only paid a fraction of its value to get it, thanks to all my NJ ratepayers) Solar is NOT a viable alternative for large scale generation (at least not with current technology). I won't bore you with the Physics, but the energy output per resource required is so out of whack it is not even funny. I agree there is plenty of Solar energy striking the earth, our problem is we do not have a way to truly harness it.

          Solar example.. to replace one 1000MW reactor you would need 5,000,000 200W solar panels… at ~ 10ft^2 space per panel, thats 50M square feet (forget about aisles to walk between, add that in and we are talking 65M square feet or 1,500 acres (just for panels). You get the idea.

          In the end there is no simple answer.

          • Christin

            Good points WillyG.

            Commonsense says to utilize ALL TYPES of SAFE ENERGY that work best in the different areas of our country… not just one or two that are marketed as GREEN, but may really be wrong for that area or even the environment (windmills-birds) or job creation long term.

            God has given us in America great supplies of natural resources (gas, oil, coal, wind, sun – solar, river water – electricity & ocean water – wave, and nuclear technology) and with good planning we can utilize them ALL to help American citizens heat, cook and light their homes and run their vehicles as well as businesses and illuminate city/state roads.

            End the Communist Energy Regulations that stifle Americans and America NOW.

          • CHinCT

            WillyG,

            Here in CT the state is moving to BAN all outdoor woodburning furnaces, and some towns have already done so. So the government keeps closing off ways to become energy independent because (in this case) some tree-hugging, dirt-worshipping enviromental wingnut caught a whiff of smoke one day.

          • Karolyn

            Are they banning fireplaces too? That would seem logical if they’re banning outdoor woodburning furnaces. One good thing about living in rural SC is that we can burn everything! Burn it and bury it! Of course, I never advocate burning tires, although people do it. And I would never burn plastics – just paper and wood/leaves. People routinely burn their underbrush and huge piles of brush and trees. All we have to do is call the Fire phone number and report that we are burning today. Coming from NJ, where you can’t burn anything is quite a departure.

          • Christin

            Karolyn,

            NJ = Liberal, Crowded, Over-Taxed, Over-Regulated State… can’t (not allowed to by laws) take care of yourself on your own property… LESS FREEDOMS

            Versus

            SC = Conservative, Less Populated, Less Taxes, Some Regulations… CAN take care of yourself on your own property… MORE FREEDOMS

          • http://deleted Claire

            In my town we are not allowed to burn leaves or anything. Pollutes the air.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            WillyG,
            Nuke isn’t that cheap, either. When the built Perry Nuclear, we were told it would lower our bills. Yeah, right! Our bills have almost doubled over night, and over half of the electric goes out of state!! During the winter, my elect bills are over 100 dollars a month and then I have natural gas for heat as well! I have over 18 inches of insulation up in the attic, and six inches in the walls!

    • Phil

      I drive a full-size pickup for two main reasons: 1) I often use it to haul items that would not fit in the trunk of a car, and 2) While I have driven approximately 3 million (3,000,000) miles accident-free, the odds of that continuing are dropping, given some of the idiots on the roads today. If and when it comes to the point that I cannot avoid a crash, I want to be in the biggest, heaviest thing involved, for my own safety and that of my passengers.

      • independant thinker

        I also drive a full size pickup. I live in the country and need to haul things that will not go in a car rather often plus need to pull a loaded 16 foot trailer on occasion. Like you I prefer being larger than most of the vehicles on the road in case of an accident.

        • Tony

          I too drive a full size pickup. I need to haul nothing, I need a truck for nothing. You know why I have one? Because this is America and I can purchase any vehicle I please, as long as I can pay for it (or if I lose my job, someone else will pick up the tab). I love it in the winter, I love it when I go hunting and fishing, and I will never drive anything else no matter the cost of gas, or pressure from the communist left. I will however complain about gas prices whether I’m driving an F-350 or an Obamamobile.

          • Louie

            Thank you Tony, I also do as I please. I’ll drive a tank if I like.
            Also, there are many hundreds of capped oil wells in several states that are not being used for a (bunch) of reasons…I know, I’ve been there, done that!

    • kjk

      Tunnelvision ,this is what got us here. If we began to build America as self sufficient free of all foriegn products we could again be a free nation.We have resources that only need to be developed,if only the bleeding hearts could disappear.If they want to live under another countries shadow then they should move there and let America prosper as her own w/o being hostage to foriegn oil.
      We all know how we are being strangled by the the gov. and special interest. Wake up! there can be no America if it is not self sufficient, we have the resources and the knowledge,but we must step out of the tunnel.

    • Wanda Murline

      I live on a 230 acre farm, and unfortunately, an electric car just doesn’t fit in. Electric cars, solar and wind power are energies that will help, but they will not fill the energy needs of America…we have enough oil in Alaska and the Dakotas…more than the Arab countries, but the oil companies are not allowed to drill by our own terrorist government.

      • eddie47d

        Terrorist govt.? Why is it that everyone talks about the Williston Basin in N. Dakota yet all of our creative minds haven’t done anything about “all this oil”. This is a conservative and Republican state yet why aren’t they drilling. In my state they just issued 3,000 new permits to drill in a county that already has 15,000 wells. To say that the government is stopping drilling in most states or won’t issue permits is ludacris. In N. Dakota oil companies would have jumped on that oil like white on rice. Anwar in Alaska is a National Park and only has a 6 month supply of oil. Between the damage that could be done and the lack of that area being cost effective should keep drillers out of that Park. Maybe the terrorists are the oil companies who have done everything in there power to keep us addicted to oil. They are in the business of demanding rules that benefit themselves and not necessarily the American people. Since oil is used in numerous products they do have us over a barrel.

        • Dale on the left coast

          Addicted to OIL?????? And the product to replace oil tomorrow is . . . . . NOTHING!!! Not invented yet . . . only loons talk about “Peak Oil” . . . know oil reserves in the world today are many times what they were in the 70′s . . . the USA has enough oil and gas on shore to last 100 years . . . the enviro-whacks have prevented us from harvesting it. One more thing . . . oil is not “Fossil” . . . it is created in the core of the earth . . . there will be oil FOREVER!!! Search “abiotic oil” . . . Russian scientists are all over this . . . for decades!!!

        • kenneth

          You are so smart to ask the question go find the answer. The answer is federal control. If you want to find the problem you will, if you don’t then you come to your ridiculous assumptions. Why can they put more oil wells on an area that already has oil wells on it, it’s probably because there aren’t any problem putting in more. No regulation to stop what was already permitted. Logic my friend, logic something you liberals need to get some of.

    • DaveH

      So, Karolyn, you are against poor people? I’m talking about the people who can only afford the old cars which have poorer gas mileage than do SUVs.
      If the Liberals would just butt out of the markets, the poor would have more money (that which wouldn’t be wasted by ineffiecient Big Government meddling), and they could afford to buy those better modern cars which do get better gas mileage.

      • DaveH

        For those who aren’t afraid to read and learn:
        http://mises.org/daily/3842

      • DaveH

        More on that subject:
        http://mises.org/daily/718

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Do people drive more when they have fuel-effiecient vehicles?
        http://reason.org/blog/show/does-better-fuel-efficiency-me

      • Karolyn

        Dave – I am one of those “poor” people and drive a ’95 Escort that getes 30 miles per gallon.

        • DaveH

          I’ll bet you didn’t read any of the articles I linked, did you Karolyn?

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH–Sure I like to conserve but then I think “A person only goes around once.” I guess I am old enough to know better but too young to resist.

          • Karolyn

            Yes I did. And???

      • http://deleted Claire

        DaveH–You are correct. A lot of poor people cannot afford cars that have better gas mileage.
        I have wanted to tell you something and I haven’t had the chance. Dave, regarding loss of jobs, technology has done away with a tremendous amount of jobs. Back in the 90s the company I work for terminated quite a few employees (about 100) and now we are totally computerized which means even less employees. A lot of companies have scaled back because of the “computer” generation. Regarding myself, I edit manually, I am faster editing by hand rather than put the disk in the computer and edit. By the time I “click” here and “click” there I could have an entire page manually edited. The problem with computers, when they go down, then the ladies in my office (other departments) are at a standstill until the problem is fixed. I am also the advertising manager for our books, and it really aggravates me when I call journal people and get their voice mail and then it takes a day or two for them to call me back. This is bad especially if I need to place an ad or make arrangements for a book signing/conference attendance for our authors in a hurry. It is so nice to call and get a “human being.” Sometimes I think the old way (without computers) is faster and better in many instances.

    • 45caliber

      Karolyn:

      You must have a small family. Try finding a car that is cheap on gas where there are six of you. An SUV is about the only thing available any more! Unfortunately. (I don’t particularly like them either.) Further, for some types of work they are necessary to carry things. My son works as a copier repairman. He has to carry most of the parts for copiers (all sizes) in his vehicle to be able to repair those when he’s called in. Others are the same. Vans are worse on gas milage.

      • DaveH

        The bottom line, 45, is that is your choice (as it should be). If you feel your needs are better served with an SUV, then you should own an SUV, regardless of anybody else’s opinion. It is your life, your money — something Liberals just don’t get.

        • http://deleted Claire

          DaveH–I love SUVs and they suit my lifestyle. I have had one for years. I doubt if I will ever be without an SUV.

          • http://deleted Claire

            And so help me, I like the new Camaros. I would love to have one.

          • DaveH

            Claire,
            My girlfriend’s SUV gets better gas mileage than my ’56 Chevy Belair got. Or, in fact, most of the sedans I’ve had in my life.
            As I’m sure you know, this isn’t an issue of saving energy. It’s a power trip for the Greens. That is all. They won’t be happy until the rest of us beg for crumbs at their table.

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH–My husband’s Jeep gets about 20 mpg on the interstate. I like his Jeep. It is a 2002 and it has really been a good vehicle too. I better knock on wood!!
            BTW–I heard on TV this evening that Roseanne Barr is running for POTUS. Hey, why not? She isn’t any nuttier than the rest of them at times.

          • JeffH

            Claire, speaking of Roseanne Barr, you are right…she’s always been a certified nut case. I just fiished reading the transcript from an Anderson Cooper 360 show with Ted Nugent and Barr and she talks exactly like every nutty liberal and uses exactly the same rhetoric up to and including the standard name calling, hating Palin and the Tea Party, useless Cheney. All she did was screah and babble and appear to be off her rocker while Ted maintained his composure and told her the way it is not the way she wanted it. Later she tried to apologise.

          • eddie47d

            Dave, Yes it is about saving gas so stop speaking for others.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Her SUV might get better mileage than your 56 Belaire, but it sure as hell doesn’t have more class!!!

      • Karolyn

        My ’95 Plymouth Grand Voyager averaged about 20 mpg. I don’t care what anybody drives but don’t complain about your gas mileage while driving a big suv. The over-consumption in this country does bug me, though.

        • 45caliber

          Karolyn:

          I had a ’64 Ford Galaxy (full sized, biggest engine) that got 24 mpg city and 27 mpg highway. It was also built like a tank and was three times heavier (and larger) than existing cars that don’t do much better. A friend with a small Trihumph (’69) got 75 mpg. The point is that we CAN make better cars (I know of several test cars that were MUCH better than existing – one hybrid that got 150 mpg) but we don’t – because there are people who make too much money off the present system.

        • Christin

          But you do care what other people drive, Karolyn.

          In your 7:29 AM post above you state and I quote,
          “I know how to save in gas. Don’t drive a gas-guzzling suv. What is up with that anyway.”

          *Contradiction*

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Karolyn,
          I have a Chrysler Town & Country and It gets 3 miles to the gallon less than your dinky rollerskate! I had a pontiac transport that got 29 1/2 miles to the gallon on the highway! Both of these vehicles seat seven!!! If I want, I can pool with six other people, thus saving over twice the gas you do!!!

      • http://deleted Claire

        Karolyn–My ’94 full size, 8 cylinder (car chassis) Chevy van gets 21 mpg on the interstate. It has been one heck of a good vehicle. Bought it new and it has been all over the US without a single breakdown. I have always taken care of this vehicle. I still have it and I will keep it. It keeps on “going” and that is fine with me.

    • JKO

      Some of us live at 7000 feet where there might be 2-3 feet of snow and have no choice about what we drive. I live on a reservation (teacher) where it snows a LOT. Even a Subaru would not work here. AND I am here because there was no work for teacher where I used to live. I drive a Jeep Cherokee which gets about 21 mpg. Compared to some that is a gas guzzler. Here on the Rez many many roads are dirt and you need a larger vehicle to get home.

    • Robert Pa.

      It isn’t the SUV, it’s the gasoline formulation. Use the formula from 1970 and your modern SUV would get 60 MPG.

      • Christin

        What do you mean Robert?
        What 1970 formula?

  • Andrew Barbieri

    how much of that $3.00 plus price is fed/state/local taxes ? around 40% is the answer in my new york state. it’s not the gas companies, it’s our goverments, who make more money as the retail price goes up.
    oil co have a profit margin of around 8%, no matter what the price at the pump is. our anti capitilist government easily makes oil companies tarrgets for stiring up problems that don’t exist. it’s not the oil companies, it’s our federal goverment who causes this high pump price.
    Andrew

    • eddie47d

      8% is is a good profit and oil companies have proven that over the last 2 years. I haven’t seen the Federal tax on gas go up in quite some time. In reality we are still wasteful in our driving habits and the Federal tax certainly hasn’t stopped anyone from getting out.

      • DaveH

        How do oil industry profit margins compare to other industries?
        http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/08/oil-industry-ranks-60-by-profit-margin.html

      • DaveH
      • kenneth

        Hey Eddie, how would like to live on 8% of what you make? Oh, Oh, Oh, suddenly that just doesn’t seem fair does it. How about 50%. How about 75%. See this is the thinking that goes into the liberal thinking. I don’t own a company so I am not asking the question because I do. Take taxes out of our lives and we all would be doing quite well. Everything, and do mean everything, that government has done they have managed to screw up, no matter who is in charge, so I like the idea of limited government. Less government less for them to screw up. With Liberals there’s never, never enough government, never.

        • eddie47d

          Good grief Kenneth That’s 8% above all their salaries and other expenses. It’s in the billions and you are never, never satisfied with your cheap shots.

          • DaveH

            Start your own company, Eddie. Then it will be your turn to deal with angry, coercive Unionists who have no respect at all for your property or choices. Greedy Unionists.

          • eddie47d

            There you go again Dave. Unions had nothing to do with my comment so I guess you just figured you could throw it into the mix. You have been getting sloppy and babbling on all your comments.

    • 45caliber

      Back about 20 years ago now, a man invented a new carborator that doubled gas milage. (Only about 15% of gasoline is used for power; the rest is burned in the exhaust system. His invention used 35% for power.)

      He couldn’t get anyone to buy his invention. And he couldn’t get the government to give him permission to build and sell it himself. After several months of trying – and being told his carborator wouldn’t work despite his test results – a government offical took him to one side.

      He was told that the government made billions a year off fuel taxes – and they couldn’t afford to allow him to sell something that would cut those taxes in half.

      To me, that is a perfect example of why we don’t have fuel-efficient cars. They are disliked by both the oil industry and the government.

      • DaveH

        I suspect, 45, that the story is just one of many urban legends. But suppose that it was true. What is the solution? Here’s mine.
        For Free Markets, Limited Government, Individual Liberty, and Personal Responsibility:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        • independant thinker

          The carburator story itself might be urban legand but the feds and states both are complaining about lack of highway maintaince funds because of reduced fuel consumption and the resultant decrease in fuel taxes collected.

          • DaveH

            That is the insidious nature of any taxes whose purpose is to reduce the use of something. If they eventually work then the government, who has gotten used to spending those monies, must scramble for other revenue sources to feed their machine.

        • 45caliber

          All I can say was that it was printed in the newspaper – and they were careful to use his exact words of indignation. As I stated below, he and his father had worked on carborators all their lives. It was shortly thereafter that they came out with the injectors. My understanding is that those are auto company designs – and aren’t any better than carborators at fuel efficiency.

          • DaveH

            With all the people that believe those legends, one would think there would be much more pressure to get government out of the marketplace. Because, after all, those companies couldn’t suppress any good ideas without the force of government to back them up.

      • LES

        This is false, some other country in the world that produces cars would have taken him up. Then their big selling point would have been the greater gas milage.

        • 45caliber

          It is true. However, I don’t know if he offered it to other countries. The newspaper article only spoke of this country. Further, he was in his mid-eighties at the time. His father invented the first carborator ever made and between him and his father they had about 80% of all patents on carborators. The article was speaking about the government stopping it due to taxes.

          • Robert Pa.

            The inventor was Charles N. Poge He has several patients. The test was done by Ford in 1932. A prototype 1934 Ford Victoria with the first V-8 engine went 94 miles on a “QUART” of 60 octain gas with 5 people in the car. Poge eventually, in 1935 built a carb unit that got 670 MPG in those days.
            How do I know. I talked with his wife some 20 years ago and she confirmed all of my questions I had and said that all was patented.

          • 45caliber

            Thanks, Robert.

    • JeffH

      Andrew Barbieri, living in California I understand the bloated gas prices caused by taxation.

      Federal Excise Tax: 18 cents.
      State Excise Tax; 18 cents.
      State/local taxes: 14 cents

      This doesn’t even consider the standard 1 cent/gal gas station profit
      which in comparison seems likea trivial profit for a small business operator.

  • rockjock10

    Ben:

    I love your mix of intelligence and humor. keep the articles coming.

    The basis of it all is the more we are allowed to drill and produce, the lower the price will be. It is simple economics.

    Sidebar: Don’t judge people for driving a bigger vehicle. People can drive whatever they want to as long as it is safe to be on the road. If a person wants to drive an SUV, go ahead just don’t b**** about gas prices to me and those of you who choose not to drive SUVs, don’t b**** to me enviously either. We all make decisions. Either live with them or change them.

    • HandyDan

      I don’t agree that people should be able to drive what ever they want. Most of these suvs ride around with few passengers and their inefficiency costs all the rest of us by creating needless demand on the gasoline supply, causing the rest of us, “more efficient” drivers to pay more. Consider that this is analagous to smokers causing health care rates to rise for the non – smoking population.

      • matt

        I don’t think you have the right to eat certain foods.

      • George

        So, if I don’t have a right to drive what I want to, I have No rights, which would mean you have No rights?? If this is correct, I can come take whatever I want from you and you have no right to do anything about it?? I promise I won’t take your “feel good” Prius though! What the Hell kind of person tells me I have no right to drive whatever I please?

        • 45caliber

          George:

          I think Handy really means that his rights (his desires that you don’t drive what you want) is more important than your rights.

        • DaveH

          A Liberal kind of person, George.

      • What the Heck

        You are a communist if you think people do not have a right to drive or (Smoke) these thing should be a persons choice and if you don’t like it move to some other country.
        Last time I checked this was a somewhat free country, but people like you are the ones who put in regulations and new laws, that is slowly tearing this country down.
        I drive a small car but that is my choice and none of my business what my neighbor drives, I did smoke but I have quit again this is my choice and none of your business if I do or not.
        People like you are against the Constitution of the United States of America and I personally hope you really hate it here and decide to leave just as most of congress should.

        • 45caliber

          I agree. I haven’s smoked in over 40 years – but I see no problem with others doing it if they are willing to pay the costs to buy them.

          Incidently, I’ve heard of a few people who the doctors say had problems worsened by being around smokers – but I have yet to hear of a single case of any medical problem created by being around smokers. That seems to be something the non-smokers seem to have overlooked. And I wasn’t the person who noted this first.

          The same is for cars and gasoline.

        • kenneth

          Amen brother amen!! Every well said. That is what it means to be free, and free American. Not a liberal puppet.

        • Robert Pa.

          Be patient, Little “BAM” will change all that for you.

      • Wanda Murline

        Wow, that sounds just like a Democrat to me. Everyone has the “right” to drive whatever they like…if you don’t like it…too bad. There may be reasons why they drive a SUV…like a bunch of kids that they carry around all the time. The problem is not what we drive, the problem is that our marxist government who is not allowing the oil companies to capsure the huge reserves America has. A prime example of the way a Democrat thinks…a Senator who has been anti-gun on every vote in Congress since elected, just shot an intruder into his home with a gun. Go figure. The Democrats believe they should be able to own a gun for self-protection, they just don’t think you have the right to own one and protect your family. This is the way of the progressives.

        • eddie47d

          You are somewhat wrong on the oil issue and also on the gun issue. Most Democrats are not against persons defending their property(guns in homes) and there is plenty of drilling going on. With the gun issue it’s unwarranted killings that are being questioned and irresponsible gun dealers. With oil drilling it’s the environmental damage that is always done. So stop with that feel good Marxist crap.

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            You are correct. MOST Democrats aren’t against defending yourself with a gun in the house. Unfortunately, they aren’t the majority of ones in politics. Those there aren’t worried about you defending yourself; they are worried that someone with a gun might object to their takeover of power. So they want to get rid of all guns in the hands of the honest citizens so they can take over. They aren’t worried about the criminals having guns at all.

          • independant thinker

            ” With the gun issue it’s unwarranted killings that are being questioned and irresponsible gun dealers.”

            From the tone of his past posts on the subject it seams as far as eddie is concerned all gun dealers are irresponsible.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Independant,
            All gun dealers ARE irresponsible!! They don’t carry enough of the right caliber of ammo!!!! They don’t give you bulk-buy discounts either!!

        • east texas

          I so agree with you. We have a right to drive whatever we want (at least for now). Our rights are quickly being eaten alive while we watch. Maybe we, me included, drive older cars that do not get great gas mileage because we cannot afford to buy a newer one. We also live in a rural area and there is no public transportation. I would love one of the newer, more efficient vehicles, however, when I purchased my 2003 suv, my gas mileage was great. Then along came forced gasoline containing ethenol. Now my gas mileage is shot to hell. I get 5 to 7 miles less per gallon than before. Some of our local Shell stations still had no ethenol gasoline available until the summer of last year. Now there is no such thing. And I just found out, our government has okayed the gas to contain 15% ethenol instead of 10%. They are not even sure if it is going to ruin the older car’s motors. I know we have already had problems using ethenol gas in our lawn mowers and tiller. What are we supposed to do? Seems like we are in a no-win situation.

      • 45caliber

        Handy:

        I don’t know about you, but I don’t have enough money to buy a fuel-efficient vehicle for times I’m by myself and a large vehicle for cargo or passengers when I’m not. Everyone I know buys a vehicle based on their needs. If you need to haul 5-6 passengers even once a week, you have to get a larger vehicle even if you drive it alone the rest of the week. Or, I suppose, you can buy two fuel-efficient vehicles to haul the passengers – but then you’d use twice as much gas which would be more than a single vehicle would use even at bad milage.

        So don’t insist that there is no excuse to buy a big vehicle.

        • Robert Pa.

          I have 2005 Dodge Durango. It gets 22 MPG on the highway, 10-14 around town. I tried some 1970 fuel mix (87 octane aviation gas) and got all most 60 MPG on the highway. The vehicle computer had a fit but it worked. My vehicle is set for parts per “BILLION” of air pollution just so the BIG OIL refineries can run their flame tower that belches out 4 “MILLION” Btu’s per “MINUTE”!!! What do all of the Senate and Congress drive??? Yep, Yep “SUV s”!!! Big Black Bullet Proof Chevy Suburbans supplied by the good old “TAXPAYERS”!!!
          There is a “LAKE” of oil in New Mexico as big as lake Erie and twice as deep undrilled. There is 570,000 capped wells in the USA that are viable and can be used at any time. There is more untapped wells in this country not even cataloged.
          There are 27,000 plus wells “ABANDONED” in the golf of Mexico status “UNKNOWN”!!!
          You get the picture. There is “Free Energy”.
          Just type in Free Energy and see the responses. Not enough?
          Try: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk for 100,000+ pages of free energy equipment and info.

          Enjoy.

        • JeffH

          45caliber, I agree with you. I drive a 1999 GMC Yukon and on a good day get 15mpg. Why do I drive it? It’s my choice and I like big vehicles, it is comfortable, I feel safer, It fits my lifestyle and it’s a vehicle I can take offroad if I need to or drive in the snow with cofidence.

          • JeffH

            …and it’s paid for!

          • http://deleted Claire

            JeffH–Thats what I like about my vehicles-they’re paid for. BTW, I like the new GMC Yukons-they are really nice-looking.

          • JeffH

            Claire, and I wish I had had the foresight to keep my ’70 Camaro. Every time you mention your Camaro I get a little nostalgic.

      • DaveH

        So, Dan, it’s okay for the rest of us to pay for all that Government control that you advocate?
        The US spends 37% of the the GDP on Government. Hong Kong and Singapore get by with just 15% of GDP. Why is that? Because do-gooders, such as yourself, are willing to spend lots of other peoples’ money trying to control free choice.

      • DaveH

        Your smoking analogy is weak, Dan, like most arguments put forth by Big Government lovers:
        http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html

      • DaveH

        Is there anybody on this board, even an ignorant Liberal, who would deny that bigger vehicles are safer?
        So, in one comment, Dan whines about the higher medical costs to society of smokers (which isn’t even true), but ignores the higher medical costs which would result from unsafe vehicles.
        This is why we can’t let Ignorant Liberals make our choices. They have no clue. But even if they did, we have a choice between making ourselves happy or living our lives to suit the Liberals. My life is too short to waste it trying to please Liberals.

        • DaveH

          And if you don’t like the higher medical costs to society, Dan, then quit voting for a Government that forces cautious people (who work to do the right things) to pay for the reckless people.

        • 45caliber

          We have/had one idiot legislator here in Texas that has been trying to get large pickups and vans banned – because they are safer!

          His argument is that it isn’t FAIR for an owner of a small car to have his car totalled in a wrech when someone with a large safer vehicle isn’t damaged as much. In fact, he even wants to insist that the larger vehicles pay more for insurance since the money is needed to help the smaller car owners.

          • independant thinker

            Bet he doesn’t want to apply that to Semi’s, dump trucks, etc.

          • DaveH

            I think the Federal Government employees, who make twice as much as their private sector counterparts in total compensation, ought to buy me insurance out of their own pockets.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Handy . . . you buyin their gas????
        I don’t think people should buy Japanese cars . . . cause Japanese people, in Japan, are not allowed to buy American Cars. Japan is a closed shop . . . that of course is why their Recession has lasted 20 odd years.

        • Karolyn

          Do you have a cite for this information? I couldn’t find anything about Japanese not being allowed to have American cars.

          • Robert Pa.

            The are if they pay $90,000.00 for a Jeep Grand Cherokee, some $55,000. import duty tax. Another $110,000.00 for a license to park it in Tokyo city proper.

          • libertytrain

            I found this site that says young people in Japan like an American car;
            http://www.best-trade-car.com/blog/tag/japanese-used-car
            “All they can afford to buy expensive car but do not buy Japanese car because it is one of their status to be appeal their wealth. On the other hand, young people who likes car are tend to buy American car, not Japanese sports car. That’s why there are some American car magazines published here. Almost car owners do think mechanical techniques of car are not the matter when they choose their car, for them, the most important thing when they purchase is its exterior.”

          • JeffH

            While Korea and Japan no longer directly restrict U.S. imports, they do put up barriers to them, said Chris Vitale, president of a Michigan-based group, FairImage.org, which promotes open trade in the auto industry.

            “For all intents and purposes, the Japanese market is closed to everyone,” Vitale said. “No one gets a foothold.”

            In August, only 192 Fords and 63 Chevrolets and were sold in Japan, roughly the same number as a year earlier, according to the Japanese Association of Automobile Importers. And over the last decade, things have actually gotten worse: The figures were 359 for Ford and 793 for Chevrolet in August 1999.

            In 2008, Chevrolet exported exactly one vehicle to Japan for every 400 Toyotas exported to the U.S. Throw in the Japanese firm’s production at its U.S. transplants, and the ratio is even more lopsided: Chevrolet sold one vehicle in Japan for every 1,300 Toyotas sold in the U.S

            Vitale and other U.S. critics of Japan and Korea point to “barriers to entry” — obstacles that may be more effective than tariffs and quotas. They include inspections, complicated distribution systems and taxation. Ironically, U.S. imports to Japan have declined even as more formal, direct barriers like quotas have come down.

            Today U.S. automakers may not regard the Japanese market as worth much of an effort. The market has an aging population, and automobile ownership is sometimes a difficult proposition in this crowded country. Not to mention the fact that it’s also the home turf of some of the most competitive automakers in the world.

            “Our sales in Japan are negligible because it doesn’t make sense to import them, and we do not have production facilities there,” said John McDonald, a General Motors spokesman in Detroit.

            http://autos.aol.com/article/japan-bias/

          • DaveH

            So the Japanese leaders are as dumb as our leaders. What’s new?

            Essentially, when they sell their vehicles, and transport them all the way overseas (except those produced in the US), and still underprice our car companies, they are working for slave wages.

            What are they getting in return? Our wonderful paper dollars. Lucky guys.

            Countries that protect their industries from competition are damaged more from that “protection” than are the countries whose products are being turned away. Their industries become complacent, just as do welfare recipients, and eventually lose their competitive edge. And their citizens are deprived of the Freedom of Choice that most of us value so highly.

        • DaveH

          By the time we get all our pet peeves into law (and the legislators will be happy to grow their power and accomodate that) we can kiss any kind of Freedom goodbye.

  • skip

    It is the lack of a high energy tax that allows us to use gas and oil at excessive rates and pay the oil-rich companies all of our blood and treasure. We will never again be oil and gas self sufficient, so the more we import, the more we sell our soul and our birthright. We need a really high energy tax to prevent us from using more than is really needed, put that tax in our treasury and pay our social security with it. We would all be better off. Under the current rules, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Venezuela, and our big oil companies reap a fortune and we suffer. I agree with Angel Wannabee – boycott those countries, don’t import their oil, send them to the poor house, and become energy self sufficient here. And do it by tomorrow afternoon if we can, Angel, but please tell us all how without totally fouling our own birdnests.

    • 45caliber

      skip;

      Some of us DO have to use gasoline, regardless of the price. We don’t like it any more than you do but if we want to live and work, there isn’t a choice.

      I drive 36 miles one way to work, four days a week. I very seldom go anywhere on weekends except to church (1.5 miles) and to the grocery store (3/4 miles). The rest of the time we stay home. If we do have to go to some store in the nearest larger town due to some need not found locally, we try to couple it with a work drive or have numerous needs.

      Can you cut down on that driving any further? I can’t see how. I’ve tried. And so have many others in this area. Car pooling isn’t possible since the only ones I know I can ride with work at different locations or different hours. And there is no public transportation since we go in all directions.

      Texas simply isn’t set up like large cities and New England are. I know people have have to drive 100 or more miles a day – one way to work.

    • DaveH

      Oh, sure, we need to pay higher energy taxes, so politicians like Nancy Pelosi can Jet around the country even more than they already do.
      So, basically what Skip is saying is that we should live more limited lives so that the Political Class can spend more.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Really Skip???? Would we not be better off to access our own resources . . . get the Socialist Politicians and Enviro-whacks out of the way . . . . drill, drill, drill . . . watch the price of gas go down.
      Oil like corn, wheat and pork bellies is a Comodity, high demand drives the price up . . . remember the ethanol thing. Low demand drives the prices down. So logic would dictate that if we had lots of oil in the US . . . we would import less, keeping 1/2 a trillion dollars a year at home, and $2 a gallon gas would become the norm again. Where is Hillary and all the eager Dimmicraps that want to investigate $3 gas now?????

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dale,
        Thanks, you just proved a point I made a while ago, here. A little over a year ago, the price of gas was under two dollars a gallon. I said then that they would raise the price close to three dollars a gallon and by that time you would welcome 2.00 a gallon gas! Here it is 3.15 a gallon and now we are willing to pay 2 to 2.25 a gallon!! The government and thespeculators are setting us up more every day!!!

        • wayne

          Joe, I have thought the same thing as you for several years now. If they rasised it to $5.00 per gallon we would be happy to pay $3.00 per gallon. I really believe that is the way they will eventually achieve their goal and still keep everyone happy. I blame the government and the evironmentalist for the high gas prices. If they would open up dilling in this country OPEC would drop their prices very quickly. Who knows, maybe they are paying Obama a good hunk of money so he will not pemit drilling in this country. I am very skeptical of the folks at the very top of the government .

    • kenneth

      Skip you are a little behind. Go back to some of Dave’s earlier post and he will educate you on the profits from oil. Oil profits aren’t the problem. The problem is we are buying it from people who are stiffing us and we are doing this because the liberals are scared that if we drill our own oil it will destroy some poor animal or the land will somehow be destroyed. All which is total bunk. Foot prints on oil drilling are far from the problem in almost any area. Liberals said the oil pipe line would cause so much trouble for the carabao but that never happened. In fact they have increased and are seen laying close to is often. More liberal b/s for all of us to suffer through.

      • 45caliber

        I think the liberals are less worried about the environment than they are control. If we import gasoline, they can control it. If we drill and make it ourselves, they are cut out of the loop and have a harder time controlling it.

        I’m waiting for them to insist that gas is scarce and we have to ration it again like in ’73.

  • George

    Amen on the feds taxes causing high pump prices. As for people who drive SUV’s, last I heard we were still free to drive the vehicle of our choice. I do not live on a farm but I have 4 kids that won’t fit in Prius. We need to “drill, baby, drill”. Just announcing that we were opening up to drilling would immediately lower foreign oil prices, they do not want us to drill our own oil and kiss a large part of their wealth good-bye.

    • FlaJim

      The fact is, the good old US of A has more proven oil reserves than Saudi Arabia (over 40 trillion barrels at last count) but if the feds won’t allow drilling, it’s useless. Theoretically, if drilling was allowed, we could be self sufficient in 12 to 15 years.

      And I don’t give a dang about how big someone’s SUV is. If you can afford the big price tag, you can afford to fill it up.

      • thinking

        40 trillion? where? maybe you mean billion or are you getting our debt and oil mixed up.

        • 45caliber

          I’m not sure about the 40 trillion barrels but I do know that the US has far more reserves than Saudi or the entire middle east does. In fact, it is my understanding that we have more known oil reserves than anywhere else in the entire world put together. We get most of our oil from Canada, Mexico, and Venizuala. The Mid East comes in fourth. And many of our politicians want us to stop using Canadian oil as well for some reason.

          However, don’t be too worried about the Mid East. They are down to less than 20% of their reserves. That’s one reason they want to run up the price for oil. They are running out.

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you. Further, back about 1930, the oil companies managed to get a law through Congress that set MAXIMUM prices they had to pay for oil from the US wells at $6.25 a barrel since they wanted to make the profit rather than the land owner. Congress, however, added a percentage restriction to the amount of profit they could get.

      It is a lot more profitable for an oil company to buy oil at $100 a barrel than $6 a barrel. So the oil companies WANT to buy from foreign sources. It raises their profits.

  • R L Jarvis Sr

    The House and Senate need to be more Honest forth coming, with the citizens of this great land. But most be come so corrupt and do not keep their campain promises, that we the people need to start using the empeachment process more actively. There are a lot of the America People who have their heads buried so far in the sand that they need a back hoe to get them out. Wake up Peolpe for it is to the point of being to late. Use your right to vote or this right will be lost for ever, I for one do not want that to happen. So start inendating your Senators and house representives by writing, emailing and calling their local and Washington D. C. offices and let them know how you feel about the issues effecting you and your families. If you keep your head buried in the sand and do nothing, you get what you deserve!!!!!

    • 45caliber

      I will add a second motion to your proposal. It is needed and necessary.

    • wayne

      I sometimes wonder if the top dogs in government, the president and his staff, with the aid of a few scientist, brainwashes our Congress Members to where they really believe this crap themselves. Maybe when enough people gets tired of this crap they will take off their dunce cap and think before they vote.

  • Mikey

    This has nothing to do with supply and demand; we are in a depression, demand is sown. It is just like the last time prices were $4 a gallon….speculators are taking a run at the commodity, with interest to borrow for mega millionaires at the lowest rates in 50 years, why not borrow to the hilt and buy futures….just like the stock market “recovery.”

  • Ian Harrison

    Egads? I drive a gas guzzling SUV to pull my gas guzzling boat that uses 3 gallons to go 1 mile at 80 mph.

  • http://na Mike

    As you should know the oil companies have over 450 capped wells in the Gulf of Mexico. Why do they need to drill any more? This is just a disaster waiting to happen again.
    We have capped wells all over this country and Canada that we are not allowed to use that would supply the world and ourselves for years and since oil is a renewable energy source, not finite from dinosaurs and trees as we are told, we don’t need to drill any more in the oceans with their potential disasterous results like the most recent blowout in the Gulf. Mike

    • Al Sieber

      You’re right Mike, oil isn’t fossil fuel and it renews itself, abiotic I think that’s what it’s called, just “goggle” abiotic oil. we have capped wells all over the country. they’re driving up the price to bring us down faster.

      • Al Sieber

        I believe oil is no longer tied to the “dollar”, no longer called the petro dollar.

    • 45caliber

      The problem I REALLY don’t like is that our oil companies are not allowed to drill but the foreign companies, such as China, can. Right now there are several Chinese wells either drilled or being drilled right at the edges of the area of the Gulf we call ours. An oil well can drill at an angle and reach oil field areas that are quite a distance from the well itself. They are doing so.

      • wayne

        We have got to get rid of those idiots who think it is alright to buy all this oil fro OPEC, but they do not want to drill in our own country. Drilling here would provide jobs and lower the cost of gasoline at the same time. It’s time, we the people, take this country back from those stupid environmentalist who would like to see us pay $5.00 for a gallon of gasoline. I guess they think this price would keep us from driving, thus saving the planet. I would say that most environmentalist are most likely very well off when it come to money, and the higher cost of gas would nt hurt them like it would for some one working from payday to payday. We must demand that our govenment allow drilling and more refineries to be built in this country. Call, or write your Congress Member.

        • 45caliber

          But we need to keep our people SAFE! That’s one reason for not building or drilling here. Actually there are several reasons. Environmental people believe we still have the same industry we did back in the ’50s. The government wants to tax everything. The oil companies want to make as much profit as possible. Etc.

          In fact, all oil from Alaska, right now, goes to Japan. It doesn’t stay in the US at all. Odd, wouldn’t you say?

  • jopa

    About a year ago a large refinery was closed down temporarily in New Jersey supposedly due to low demand for fuel.I believe it to be just a ploy to jack up prices.As far as MSNBC having lower ratings is due to the fact if you only have standard basic cable as many Americans do you don’t have access to MSNBC.You have to pay extra to find the truth in America and don’t have to rely on bogus Faux not news.

    • thinking

      just wondering if you know all the regulations and laws concerning refineries? There is a good reason no one will build a new one. The epa is after refineries in texas. Maybe it is to keep polution down or more likly to increase the cost of gas. Remember it isn’t just taxes that cause prices to go up it is also these fines and law suits that are then passed on to the consumer. So next time you are cheering fines or law suits to a business, get out your wallet because you will paying for it.

      • Robert Pa.

        Thanks to our government, we get to pay for it all.

    • 45caliber

      Thanks to the limit on profits the oil companies can make pumping and refining oil in the US, they prefer to drill and refine elsewhere. Then they can add whatever profit they can get away with to the gas and fuel.

    • DaveH

      Pool your money with your fellow ignorant Liberals, Jopa, and start your own Oil Refinery. Then you can sell your product as cheaply as you want (until you run out of money). What’s that? The Liberals won’t let you build a refinery? That’s your problem.

      • Robert Pa.

        Some fellows have tried to do just that. They have a process that uses a “Beer” method to refine Crude Oil. It takes several days for the process but you can get refined goods from it. No heat or carbon footprint.
        Guess who has opposed it? “BIG OIL”!!!!! Surprise, Surprise, never saw that one coming did we??

        • DaveH

          Robert,
          Don’t know about that, but if indeed the process was efficient and marketable, the Big Oil companies couldn’t stop it without the force of Government to back them up. Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.
          So if you truly believe what you say, then you should be a Free Market advocate, as I am.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Been paying attention to the number of cars sold in China and India last year??? Global demand for oil is climbing rapidly . . . to equate global oil prices to a refinery in NJ is more than silly.
      Oil is a commodity, prices set on Global Markets, not in the USA, only a more plentiful supply will reduce demand and therefore prices.
      Since windmills and solar panels will do nothing to aid the economy . . . . the USA needs to drill, drill and drill some more for natural gas and oil.
      Imagine the number of jobs and the financial benefits that would befall the US if exploration started tomorrow. The 100′s of billions sent to foreign despots could pay off the national debt!f!!
      Instead . . . the dik-tator closes the gulf and some rigs go to Brazil to drill holes for his buddy Gorge S.

      • 45caliber

        I recently saw an article that says that China either uses more oil than we do or will within a year or so. They are rapidly over taking us.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      jopa,
      then how do you explain the fact that ABC, CBS, and NBC are all dropping as well?????

  • home boy

    lets get things straight . the price of oil ,for the most part, is based on the dollar value not supply and demand which can play a part but the bases for the price is the dollar. so when the dollar goes down the price of oil goes up. the reason the oil has gone up recently is because the fed is printing more money. i’m sorry they are doing it digitly. same thing to me. they are not selling bonds to cover this printing therefore it effects the value of the dollar in a downward position. any president has nothing to do with the price unless he is behind the feds work. now if you want to solve this gas problem it can be done with natural gas . we have tons of it and right now you could convert your car for about 2k to run on natural gas. california has these vehicles already. the gov would have to help with the infastructer but it can be done . this would eventually take us off gas. the long term future is hygrogen. problem solved.

    • 45caliber

      You are correct for one reason its going up. But there are several causes. This is just one.

      • home boy

        like i said ,it is the base for oil going up or down like today it went down 2% because of the dollars strength.

    • DaveH

      In the long run, Free Markets would result in the most efficient energy schemes possible without the added expense of the Government meddlers. With Free Markets, hydrogen power might prove to be the most efficient. Or it might prove to be yet another Liberal Dream. But if the markets aren’t Free (as Liberals advocate) we will be forced to pay for hydrogen power whether it is efficient or not.

      • home boy

        that dream you are talking about is real . shell and mobil both have hydrogen cars. NO POLLUTION. 0,squat, nada. the problem is the people in power, not just here but world wide. and the big big money people. lets face it you can have all the greatest solution but nothing happens until the powers to be say yes. so much for your right to vote.

        • Dale on the left coast

          Home boy . . . “shell and mobil both have hydrogen cars”

          Do you know where that Hydrogen comes from? Its made using great quantities of NATURAL GAS . . . Plus the cost of the technology is still north of 100,000 dollars. Not competitive today.

        • 45caliber

          The real problem is the government trying to tax fuels. It’s harder to take hydrogen. So obviously they should force us to stay with some other type like gasoline that they can easily tax.

        • DaveH

          It is much more complicated than that, home boy. First of all, the Hydrogen needs to be created (not cheap), then it needs to be stored under high pressure (not cheap), it’s dangerously flamable, and the people with the money to do it would have to establish stations across the country to give it a try. If there was money to be made, you better believe investors would come from everywhere to fund it. They don’t, because the concept is extremely risky. So, along comes the deep-pockets of Big Government who are happy to subsidize any far-flung ideas with other peoples’ money. What skin is it off their backs if the concept fails?

    • Robert Pa.

      Hydrogen still has a heat footprint, Free Energy doesn’t.

  • Disabled Veteran Brian

    Oil is where it is, and we have to drill to get it. If its too deep, its cost is greater. If its layered with water or beneath the grade we can use to run cars off,it is not too usable. If the government says cap the hole, the hole is capped. Regulations have added to cost, and common sense has failed to find a path between drill the Arctic whales and cars with sun screens on the roof. I think less regulation and more common sense, along with less use of vehicles, is badly needed. American uses most of the gas in the world, and we badly need to wean ourselves out of this waste. Less driving and more walking will help. Electric hybrids may help. And fewer useless trips help. I have used my car rarely in the past month. In this cold, snowy state, I plan my trips and make them count. Maybe the rest of the country could start doing that. Stop whining about the editor and pick up a pair of brass balls and OK some new nuclear plants.

    • Mikey

      That’s my point We could be drowning in oil and if the speculators bid the price up, thats what the price is..they just take it off the market through options, puts, calls etc, why do you think the price of silver is so comparatively low? 4 banks hold the right to the equivalent of 200 days of world production.

      Besides we have found trillions of feet of nat gas, 150+ years worth in Shale….why no big effort to convert our fleets to LNG?

      • DaveH

        You’re speculating about the speculators, Mikey. What goes up must come down. They may indeed drive the price of oil up temporarily, but if the expected demand doesn’t materialize, prices will later be driven down, most likely even lower then normal as the excess oil supplies built up by the speculators flood back into the market. What the speculators do is give the oil companies an opportunity to sell into the future at acceptable prices so as to buffer themselves from the ups and downs of the spot markets. That allows the oil companies to plan better for their future capital investments, payrolls, etc.
        Sometimes the speculators win, sometimes they lose. That is their problem, not ours.

      • Dale on the left coast

        Hey Mikey . . . maybe you could get them to “Bid-Up” the price of Real Estate . . . LOL
        Its supply and demand Mikey, proof . . . Arizona and Florida.

    • east texas

      Mostly I agree with you, however there are those of us who have to drive considedrable distances each and every day just to work to buy gas and fuel oil. We don’t have the luxury to “make each trip count” or decide to NOT drive our car today. We have to work. There is no public transportation and and no one closeby to carpool with.

      • 45caliber

        Exactly! But those in New England can’t imagine why we don’t get jobs adjacent to our homes and walk to work! They do!

    • 45caliber

      DV Brian:

      Useless trips to me is someone jumping in the car and driving to six different shops to determine who has the cheapest prices on something. It is spur of the moment runs to get milk, for instance, because you forgot to write a shopping list before you left. Things like that.

      There are people who still do those but those are mostly stay-at-home spouses who don’t realize what it takes to earn the money to buy gas. And it is reducing as people become more aware.

      The big problem is that our cities and work sites are not set up as they are in Europe. I spoke to one European one day about that. He stated that he didn’t know anyone that didn’t work within 1/2 mile of where they lived. Generally they rode bikes and only used their car for vacation once a year.

      But in the US, businesses and seldom build near homes. Industry never is – and people regularly protest even the distances it is now. It is a government requirement for most industry to now have “green zones” around them. In the NE, in particular, that isn’t really a problem because they didn’t start with green zones. But here in the South and in the West that isn’t true. Most of us have to drive at least 10 miles to work. Many drive as much as 100 miles one way to work. (I was recently offered a job in Houston – about 70 miles away. I refused it even though they offered $5 more an hour because it was simply too long a time to spend in the car.)

      So driving less might be an option for some – but not in most of the country. We presently drive almost entirely to work and back. Vacations are fewer and fewer away from home. With the new air regulations it is frequently cheaper and faster to drive anyway.

      So your call to stop all our running around is basically a little out of date. We already have.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        45caliber,
        My 95 ford ranger has less than 40,000 actual miles on it, my 2008 accent has less than 22,000, and my 2005 Town & Country has less than 50,000 miles on it! I don’t drive any more than I have to!

    • kenneth

      If you think so much of nuclear maybe we can store some of the waste in your basement. Oh yea, forgot about that little problem haven’t you? And like most people no one wants the waste stored in their area. Electric cars is the biggest joke yet. So how do we make most of our electric. Oh that’s right from the polluting coal the left doesn’t want us to use. If it isn’t coal we are making electric from what is next. Right now it’s oil. Oh no we are back to the problem with oil. So we take oil and make a even less efficient energy source and that is electric. And then we use the electric to power our cars because it doesn’t use oil to power it. Makes a hellva lot of sense to me.

      • 45caliber

        I have no problem living near a nuclear waste dump when done right. However some of the restrictions are based on fear, not knowledge. If you put it down at the bottom of a mine, it is safe. Period. There generally isn’t enough radiation to cause problems if you slept with it. One firm I know about generated “nuclear waste”. Actually it has less radiation than most ores do. They get it from refining an ore for something else. But because it is about 6 points higher than local land, it is a “hazordous” material. As I said, you could sleep with it.

        If you don’t want it near you from fear, fine. But do you know the necessary steps to take in today’s nuclear war possibility? You stay in your house for three days. Even Hiroshima didn’t have that much of a radiation problem after the bomb went off and it was a dirty nuke.

  • Gina

    If you still believe that oil sale are based on supply and demand you are still living in a delusional state. OPEC does what it wants when it wants. And OPEC believes their time has come.

    • 45caliber

      OPEC is running out of oil. They are raising their prices because 1) they believe that we will pay anything for oil and 2) because they want as much money as they can get before it does run out. That is why they are investing overseas and in things like Dubai. They want another way to bring in cash. Unfortunately, things like Dubai aren’t working for them. But as long as our government refuses to allow anyone to drill here, we are forced to buy from them.

      • Robert Pa.

        True, they lied, they have 1/10th the amount of oil they claim they have.

    • Dale on the left coast

      So why did the price of Corn go up when they started making Fuel out of it??? Why did the price of houses go up when they offered Cheap Loans and NO Qualifications???
      Oil is a commodity . . . neither the US or any other country controls the price . . . expansion in China and India the last few years has put a strain on the supply . . . plus the Weakening US Dollar . . . thanks to the dimmicraps and the dik-tator . . .

      • Robert Pa.

        The people that had most of the corn was the oil companies. They own 70% of all the farms and most of the graineries. Most of the Ethanol processing plants are closed. The rest are Big Oil owned.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Gina . . . only a small percentage of US oil comes from OPEC . . . they are a has-been in the oil business. Far more oil comes from Canada, Venesula and Mexico . . . fact!!! Hate to burst your bubble.

      Why are the krazy dimmicraps not railing against 3 dollar gas today??? Cause Bush is gone and the dik-tater is in charge . . .

      • Robert Pa.

        I hope our military doesn’t have to do the “Goose Step”.

      • 45caliber

        Your correct on our main oil suppliers. In fact, I don’t think we are getting ANY oil for Iraq – despite the liberals who insist that we attacked the country solely for that reason.

    • kenneth

      Gee Gina that is why we should be drilling oil in our country for our country. Then there wouldn’t be a supply and demand problem unless we want to make one ourselves. Just as we have now, with our big brother government looking out for all of us.

  • Cliff

    I agree that the energy policies of the Dumbocrats is bullsh!t. However, I don’t believe oil companies need government subsidies when they made $32 Billion in a quarter under ‘W’. I always found it rather coinicedental, too, that as soon as he left office, prices at the pump dropped to over $2 a gallon,,,and stayed there for 2 years since. Now they’re starting to creep back up to over $3 and some predict over $4 this year.

    The BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) countries are looking to take the US down a peg. I am proud to be an American, but we have grown too arrogant and agree with Porter Stansberry that our day of humbling might hit us this year unless the Republicans can pull their heads out of their collective a$$es and get back to the core principle of personal liberty and responsibility that made this country great. Punish the lazy and reward the worker instead of the other way around. Or as some of you Bible thumpers will point out, “The man that does not work does not eat.” It’s that sense of self-reliance that we also need in our energy policy.

    • DaveH

      What we need is for Government to get out of energy policy, as well as most other areas of the marketplace.
      For example, the Department of Energy was established during Jimmy Carter’s term. It’s mandate was to make the US energy independent. Thirty years have passed. Are we energy independent yet? How much is the Department of Energy costing us? $21,000,000,000 per year. And those costs don’t include the regulatory costs created by Government meddling which reduces greatly the efficiency of our producers.
      http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb108/hb108-46.pdf

      • 45caliber

        Actually, I believe the Dept. of Energy was set up to control what energy-saving inventions hit the market. For instance – no good electric cars. Or better gasoline engines. (Did you know that only 15% of the gas you burn actually powers your vehicle? The rest is burned in your exhaust system.) Both would affect (reduce) the amount of fuel taxes the government collects.

        Until recently, at least, the only two countries that researched lubrication were Russia and England. In the US if you have a lubrication problem, they simply try different already present lubes until they find one that will help extend the life of the equipment. But they have never bothered to determine WHY oils work or what might work better. England started because they determined with the proper lubricants they could save something like 175,000 barrels of oil a day.

        We need to do the same thing. And the best way to do it is to get rid of the Dept. of Energy.

        • Dale on the left coast

          45 . . . (Did you know that only 15% of the gas you burn actually powers your vehicle? The rest is burned in your exhaust system.)

          That is patent nonsense . . . you obviously know nothing about an internal combustion engine. Next you’ll be telling me about the 100 mpg carburetors that some mysterious oil barron bought and hid away.

          Any racer/tuner knows that if you are running below a 12/14 to 1 air fuel ratio . . . your engine becomes a cutting torch and melts. Its all about physics, efficiency of a modern engine is not 100% but it is certainly not 15%.

          • 45caliber

            It was the last time I looked at the engineering tables on it. And I work with that sort of thing as an engineer.

        • DaveH

          There are many variables involved in the comparison between gasoline-powered engines and electric engines.
          I believe it is true that electric motors are more energy efficient, but that is only part of the story. It costs money to transmit that electricity over power lines, and during that transmission there are big energy losses. Unless the generating stations are hydroelectric, we need to burn polluting fossil fuels to power them. Then we have the battery problem. Electric cars (of comparable load carrying capacity) do not have any near the range of the gasoline engine powered cars. The development of large capacity batteries will be expensive, as will the batteries. And then what do we do with the poisonous metals that are a major component of those batteries when they wear out?
          The only rational way to determine which technology is best would be to let the Free Markets decide which to produce and which to shun, without the distortion of Government subsidies and protections. When Government is involved, it always devolves into politics and crony-capitalism.
          http://mises.org/daily/4714

    • 45caliber

      Cliff:

      Prices dropped to $2 or so a gallon before Bush left office. I think you are mixing up your times.

    • Robert Pa.

      32 Billion, try 85 Billion per quarter just for Exxon alone.
      That’s after all the possible expenses they could think of to spend on.

  • Larry Owens

    Well you can call me crazy out of my mind, BUT until it gets so bad (not to far away) that the american people start rioting,burning and some get hurt or locked up in jail, nothing will change.

    Our fearless high paid EGO power hungry supposed leaders just keep doing their DO NOTHING for the country or the american people, (after all it is about positioning to get re-elected). They just ignore our will and we do nothing for us BUT they do make sure they get re-elected.

    We have become so stupid and illiterate thinking the Gov. will take care of us and every thing in between, because they have our best interest at heart. IF you believe this statement then you can be sure that is what they want us to believe. They CORRUPT to the CORE.

    OH well this boat is sinking and lets hope it can revive into some thing like our founding fathers had established.

    I am sick of both parties.

    • 45caliber

      Actually, from a lawyer’s and a politician’s point of view, we have one of the best government systems in the world.

      Both professions can make a lot of money from our present system. It may not help you and I but it certainly helps them!

      Lawyers can tie up commercial problems in court for years and earn millions of dollars a year doing it. Criminal lawyers can also make bundles of money since the crimnal commits a crime, is generally caught within a week at most, and spends two years paying (or we pay through taxes) for the attorney’s time until convicted. Then they generally get all those appeals and finally get out fairly quickly to start the whole cycle over again. Politicans are picked for office and usually have only obvioius incompitents running against them. Even if they lose, they can make a lot of money. And since they make the laws they follow (not very many) they can insure they stay there once in.

  • Rob from VA

    Just another obstacle the US must face in the next few years, 5/m gasoline. Look forward to living in a third world country, the pay back for all the money we’ve borrowed to live our elaborate lifestyle, has just begun.

  • eddie47d

    Why should gas prices remain the same or be lowered? There are too many factors that control those prices so why the shock when the prices rise.Americans still have their heads in the sand and are wanting everything cheap.They want cheap Chinese goods and cheap oil from Saudi Arabia.We’ve come a long way with more fuel efficient vehicles but not nearly enough. Some of us still want to live large but then question rising gas prices. This battle has been going on for 50 years yet millions still want to live in McMansions and drive Hummers. “It’s my right to be wasteful,arrogant an oblivious to what my actions are doing to anyone else”. Wrong,you are the ones keeping us addicted to oil. Most SUVs are becoming fuel efficient and are needed in snow country.Pick-up trucks are needed on ranches and for hauling boats,etc. I respect those who use out of necessity but not those who buy because they have “the right” to do so. Our population will grow and that means additional oil will be used so use it wisely.

    • Robert Pa.

      Try one of the several ways to have energy besides “OIL”.

  • Rick Evans

    All of these articles are on this site are absolutely absurd, it amazes me the stupidity of these people!

    • DaveH

      Oh, yeah, that was an intelligent statement.

  • barbm

    i don’t give a flying flip who is in office or how high gas prices go, i don’t want any more nuclear power plants or off-shore drilling. alaska is not off limits for me though. as ted turner said on lou dobbs a while back, the country should have seen this coming 20 or more years ago and been working on alternative energy then. in west texas, you can’t get on any side of a building to get out of the wind. it blows 24/7 from every direction. we have sun in most of the state almost every day. we may have a bit of oil left, but we should’ve been working on harnessing the sun and wind long ago.

    • 45caliber

      barbm:

      You need to do some more study on energy. First, nuclear plants are the cheapest and safesty known ways to produce power. A nuclear plant is fission – and cannot blow up. (Fusion plants can but we don’t allow those.) Second, the oil industy has come a LONG way to what it was fifty years ago. It generally takes about 2-3 months to drill in a spot for oil/ng. Once the drill rig is gone, you don’t even really realize the well is there if it is beyond a hundred yards or so.

      Drilling in Alaska is fine (and needed) but only because the oil is there – not because it isn’t in our back yards.

      Finally, wind and solar energy is many, many times more expensive – and also are limited. Wind needs a steady wind to produce power. There aren’t that many places, even near the coast where it can be in someone else’s backyard. Solar is even more expensive despite the newer solar panels. They tend to burn out. In fact, it is rare that anyone other than the government can afford them. And a solar power plant would require thousands of level and cleared acres of land to supply even a small city with energy. Wind machines also require extensive land areas.

      Nuclear and oil are the best energy sources we have today. We need to use them while we look for more. Mirco wave is another possible source. But right now, it isn’t economically feasible to look for such since the government regulations tend to cost too much.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Ted Turner is a loon . . . . remember the series he did on the Soviet Union . . . back in the 80′s . . . telling us dumb Americans how successful the USSR was? That was a few months before it totally collapsed. He is rich and clueless . . . didn’t he marry nutty Jane?

  • home boy

    in order to understand why things happen you have to know who is really in control. for those of you who care and like to read look at 1john5;19 in your bible. now you will know what you are up against.

    • Robert Pa.

      Of course you are right, we are just having a little fun while we are here. Then the next thing in a hereafter and so on.
      Think Free Energy, learn all about it. Just type it in.

      • home boy

        funny how only one person gets it. i guess thats what happens when you pit things against the bible. nobody can prove the book wrong even athiests

  • Dave

    There is LOTS of oil around and the chance of it running out in the next 500 years is pretty remote. Peak Oil was a theory put forth
    in the 1950′s. It dovetails in nicely with the leftwing nutbars who believe the sky is falling when it comes to just about everything on the planet.

    The oil companies certainly are not going to tell you there is a lot of oil are they?

    The real reason you see gas prices rising is the fact the US dollar has lost almost 10% of its purchasing power in the last year.

    It takes more dollars to buy a tank of gas because we insist on having a huge bloated government and the only way we can pay for the parasites in the civil service is to print more and more bloody fiat money.

    • 45caliber

      I agree about the oil. Actually, I’d like to see us go to another type of energy but I’m not worried about running out of oil any time soon. Since we make so much stuff from it such as plastics, I think we should keep it for that reason.

      ALL plastics come from oil or natural gas. How would all you liberals like to live without the platic you use now?

      • Karolyn

        It wouldn’t bother me.

  • chuckb

    the oil price is steered by the futures market. the oil companies have learned from the seventies that oil shortage governs the price of oil and what they charge at the pump so thjey keep a constant barrage of happenings throughout the world, refinery fires and repair, guerilla attacks on oil fields and etc. opec found they could drive the price up with the futures market, the u.s. law forbade this so they set the exchange up in london. the liberals use this as a way to steer their environmental agenda and people control. windmills are a joke and solar panels come in a close second. barry gave the chinese millions of stimulus dollars to build fans for the windmills, hillary arranges for them to set up their farm here. this is totally wasted u.s. tax dollars. why do the democrats fight drilling for our oil, look how much money al gore made on his fraudulent hysteria about the global warming. the liberal environmentalist are easy prey for such antics, they are prepared for this mentality by the public school system.

  • Annavent

    Our nation’s sovereignty is being stolen by stealth. If not by the environmental extremists, by Obama and his radical Czars. Soon, we will have no freedoms at all, so don’t worry about gas prices. If radical environmentalists have their way, you won’t be allowed to go anywhere out of your local habitat and you will be eating grass whether you like it or not. Our elected officials address nothing rationally. They see things through a glass darkly.

    EO 13547…read commentary below

    http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/national-ocean-council-–-obama’s-executive-order/

  • pilot007

    Great article!

    A bit of history should be included in this discussion. The Department of the Interior and Oil companies conspired to bring us the so-called price infating oil shortage of the 70′s with lines around the block at local gas stations.

    The feds were pumping oil back into the ground in the salt caverns on federal lands in California. Oil tankers were backed up at San Pedro (Long Beach) because there was insufficient capacity to store and process the incoming oil. The suspected purpose of the ruse was to nudge us into small efficient cars. Of course the billions in new profit and taxes did not hurt that group of thieves feelings either.

  • chuckb

    the irony of all this is the fact natural gas could replace refined crude oil, cars could be changed over practically overnight. this would effect the smog device business, put opec out of business and the arabs would have to go back to plowing their dand dunes. the oil we are allowed to produce would easily take care of the manufacturing needs of crude for plastics, so much for barry’s sewing machine cars. natural gas burns clean and easier on the car engine. don’t hold your breath, the enviro’s have road blocks in place.

    • 45caliber

      Yes, but they can’t put a fuel tax on it without including house use. It would be too easy to fill up off your meter at the house. So they don’t want them changed over. Talk to T. Picken Boone if you don’t believe me. He’s been trying for years to set up such.

      Right now Congress is considering a “road use tax”. I’m sure they intend to keep the fuel taxes too but they want this because of electric cars. The idea is that the most cars are now made with a GPS installed. They want the GPS to radio your milage to recorders to be set around the country. You would then get a monthly bill to pay all the road use taxes. Incidently, at least one Congressman has also suggested that they use the same GPS to report you exceeding the speed limit and running stop signs, despite the fact that the maps are basically wrong.

      Aren’t you glad you have representatives in Washington thinking about you?

  • The Burgie

    Back in Economics 101, we learned that when the price of butter increases, consumers switch to magarine. Unfortunately, we have not developed our magarine here in the USA. Thirty years ago, when Jimmy Carter was President, he realized that you cannot be totally dependant on something you desperately need, that is being supplied by people who hate you! I was one of a group of consultants who were under contract to the Department of Energy, to built a conservation and renewable energy program to lessen our dependance on OPEC oil. WE were ready to roll out the program when Ronald Reagan was elected. His first Presidential act was to kill our program. If President Reagan hadn’t killed our program, we probably would be telling OPEC, “If we need any oil, we will call you!”
    We have plenty of energy resources! We are the OPEC of coal. We can convert coal and natural gas into clean burning (cleaner than petroleum derived liquid fuels) gasoline and diesel. When are we going to use our own resources and be self sufficient and get out from under the thumb of these foreign oil suppliers who use our hard earned money to fund terrorists that kill our people and destroy our economy?

    • 45caliber

      I had forgotten coal. You are correct. We should be using it.

  • JeffH

    Are liberals socialists or Nazis?

    In the conservative arsenal against liberal smugness, complacency, and general disgustingness, this is the equivalent of the daisy cutter bomb: devastating and unanswerable because it’s true.

    Hitler was a National Socialist. This means liberals, who are socialists in all but name, are Nazis. Should they question this—as they will—refer them to Jonah Goldberg’s indispensible Liberal Fascism, in which all is explained: the red in the Nazi flag represents communism; the person largely responsible for the common misconception that Nazism was a movement of the political right was Joseph Stalin—who wanted to hide the embarrassing truth of just how close it was to Soviet communism; the Nazis were no bigger on free enterprise and liberty than the Obama administration is.

    quoted from “365 Ways to Drive a Liberal Crazy”

    • eddie47d

      So Jeff, So you like quoting from books that lie about liberals. I guess that makes you a liar but we already knew that. Yes Murff we hear that popping sound and it’s Jeff trying to pull his head out.

      • JeffH

        eddie, I just enjoy reading what stupid azz comment will part your lips…nothing more, it’s is a given.

      • JeffH

        edddiiieee…thought you might enjoy this snippit. Oh, it’s real too, not a lie.

        Open your eyes and you just might see some very glaring and obvious similarities between the thoughts of the Nazis and the liberals and the government.

        The similarities between the National Socialist (Nazi) platform and the modern liberal/socialist agenda are truely astonishing.

        “We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: … an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand … the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education … We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents … The government must undertake the improvement of public health – by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor … by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth. We combat the … materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of the common good before the individual good.”

        – From the political program of the Nazi Party, adopted in Munich, February 24, 1920
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1141684/posts

      • JeffH

        edddiiieee, how does it feel to support the same tyrranical policies promoted by Adolf Hitler?

        “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” –Adolf Hitler

        • Karolyn

          There don’t appear to be anything wrong with the policies. It was his other agendas that were bad, like genocide and purification of the race.

          • JeffH

            Then Karolyn, you too are a socialist! I’m merely pointing out that this is how Hitler duped the masses into following him.

          • JeffH

            …and you are goose stepping right in line with eeedddiiieee and every other socialist that support the same ideologies.

        • JeffH

          Karolyn and edddiiieee, Economic oppression inevitably leads to political oppression. That is my point.

          The modern left and the left of Hitler’s day are in agreement on the need to drastically curtail economic liberty and discourage individual achievement. They both support centralized planning and large infringements on economic liberty. The average American will work 25 YEARS of his life for the STATE. The modern left justifies and tries to EXPAND this type of slavery. With this in mind, I don’t think there are limits to what they will do in the future.

          I didn’t even mention the similarities libs have with Hitler on gun control…

          Oh, and remember that Obama is doing everything in his power to destroy Fox News and talk radio and control the internet now that he has his hands on the reins of power. The left is determined to silence the opposition.

      • JeffH

        edddiiieee, one last question?

        Who is this “WE” you always refer to?

    • JeffH

      Oh edddiiieeee…if it’s a lie…refute it! Never do and never will!

      • eddie47d

        As Karolyn said and I will say Hitler changed his policies numerous time and what he said in 1920 has no bearing on what he did in the many years to follow. I would say he sucker punched the German people long before he got elected. It’s kind of like George Bush getting elected and doing so on a promise that there would be no Nation Building.Then he turns around and get’s us involved in 2 wars and nation building.You are playing a dangerous sick game Jeff along with i41. We can all make comparisons with anybody we want; to demonize anyone. I know you are enthralled with the Nazi’s and a few other assorted misfits and there is nothing wrong with exposing their bad behavior.(that’s history and common knowledge). I certainly knew about Obama’s campaign promises before he was elected and so did you. He has tried to stick to his agenda and if you don’t like his proposals then that is your American right. To compare him to Hitler is obscene and disgusting and that make you and i41 sickos. My bringing up Bush is in no way to compare him to the actions of Hitler. Those comparison can be made so be careful what you wish for Jeff. We can play tit for tat all day long if that’s the direction you want to go in.

        • JeffH

          eeedddiiieee, you couldn’t play tick tack toe with a 3rd grader. I’m not wishin’ for anything but the ability to continue making my own choices without you or the government trying to force me to choose your path. If you could understand the hole Nazi/socialist/liberal comparison…you might understand what I’m trying to point out but it’s so obvious that you just refuse to see the common ground you walk.

          Read this quote from Hitler once more and tell me with a straight face that you don’t continually preach and support the same ideals.
          The fact is edddiiieee, you do. It doesn’t make you Hitler, but your ideals are just the same as Hitlers.

          “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” –Adolf Hitler

          • eddie47d

            Hitler was not a socialist but an impostor. He was an impostor on everything he said or did. Some people will not see what hit them in the head because they quote nonsense that Hitler himself never believed. He only used parties and slogans to gain control and then went in for the kill. That can and does happen right here in American politics but it still doesn’t make anyone a Hitler.

          • JeffH

            eeedddiiieee, you just crack me up sometimes…”Hitler was not a socialist”, “Hitler was an imposter”…did he fool everybody into trusting him and then he attacked all of his surprised flock of sheeple that he lulled to sleep with all the promises of the government blankey? Did he break promise adter promise?

            Sounds so familiar, like Obama maybe? Oh, that’s right, this is America and that can’t happen in America or can it. Wake up and smell the coffee because history can have a strange way of repeating itself.

            Yes edddiiieee, Hitler was a socialist!
            http://democraticpeace.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/hitler-was-a-socialist/

  • TIME

    LOOK folks I said by this years end you would see gas at or near to $10.00 per gallon.
    I mean that, and its based on a sound understanding of the market and its methods of values.
    If Crude is now selling at a little over $100.00 per barrel today January 5th 2011, by June 2011 gas will be in the $6.00 per gallon range as crude will be in the $135 – $145.00 range, and By December at or near that $10.00 per gallon range.

    And if gas is that much how much will your FOOD COST BE??????????

    WAKE UP People, my God the press / media was ripping GWB up when gas was $2.25 a gallon, so where are they now?
    Its $3.00 a gallon here in Athens GA, and on Long Island its $3.35 a gallon.

    HELLO out there, can you grasp what your FOOD Cost will be in June 2011 with gas at $6.00 per gallon, can you say 100% higher than now?

    WAKE UP PEOPLE………….

    • Karolyn

      What was it 2 years ago when gas was inching up over $3 and was $4 in places like NY? At that time, the “experts” were saying it would go up to $5 by the end of the summer. And then it went down…and down…and down. I won’t believe anything until I see it happen!

      • TIME

        Well Karolyn,

        Whats your dollar worth now? Keep in mind its paper, whats a quarter made from now, there is no silver in it at all, a single micron of nickel silver over a composite base metal, almost like Aluminum.
        The penny is no longer even solid copper its a composite, these are things you can hold in your hand and tell a far greater story than any thing I can post.
        The TRUTH is in YOUR HANDS what will you do with it?

        Again wheres the Press Karolyn? Gas is up today here in Athens its now $3.11, thats in less than a single day on Thursday afternoon 1/6/2011 it was $3.00.

        The facts are Crude is going up again today, its projected to hit $105 plus per barrel and from all outward views it will hit $120.00 PLUS a barrel by Febuary 2011.
        What that means to you is gas will be at a minimal $3.50 PLUS per gallon.

        It can’t happen here now can it?

  • chuckb

    time

    here in no.calif. gas is costing between $3.15- 3.35. some of the coastal areas the bandits are charging 3.50 and up. this nation cannot afford these high gas prices, much less $10.00 pg. groceries are getting higher by the day. along with the home mortgaging industry, high gas prices is what started this last recession. the oil companies and the stations are reaping a harvest, but, it will send us into a depression not a recession.
    somewhere we have to get a hold on this energy problem. i would suggest telling the environmental lobby to go to hell and open up our resources and let the arabs and venezuela sell their oil to china or whoever. if we opened up our lands to drilling you can bet the arabs would be selling their oil at cut rate prices. i don’t think standard oil, or the rest of the u.s. cartel want to open up our fields. congress should break up the oil company monopoly and put some competition back into our own oil co’s. they allowed the merger. i suppose they could break them up. we are paying a price for that action.
    the liberals have been screaming about running out of oil and using this as a tool for their enviromental rulings, it is quite clear that is baloney just like global warming. we have followed the judas goat to the slaughter. stop it now before it’s too late.

  • 50s cars

    I wrote an article back in 2002 where I compared the price of gas in 1960 to my wages packing groceries at a Kroger, to the price of gas in 2002 to my son’s wages packing groceries in the exact same Kroger store. I made 50 cetns an hour. He made $8.75. That is a factor of 17.5 increase. I paid between 20 cents and 30 cents a gallon for Gulftane, which worked OK in my oil burning 50 Ford, which was incapabale of delivering 15 MPG under my 16 year old foot. I happen to have another 50 Ford now, that does not burn oil, and still is incapable of delivering 15 MPG under my 66 year old foot. To compare to the 17.5 factor of increase in the wages, for the exact same job in the exact same building, gas would have to have been between $3.40 and $5.10 a gallon. My son drove a ’94 Crown Victoria that had 170,000 miles on it when I gave it to him. The digital dash said that over its’ life to that point it had delivered an average of 23 MPG. When he went into the Navy, the car had just over 200,000 miles on it, and the average MPG on the digital dash was 21 MPG. They do not make stripper cars today like my 50 Ford, that had typical options, like radio, heater, directional signals, back up lights, outside mirror,white wall tires. Today except for the white wall ties, that stuff is standard on the base cheap cars.
    Back in 1960, there was not 43 cents a gallon of various Illinois state, city, and sales taxes on a gallon of gas, either.

    • ChrisH

      Coal is the way to go!

  • chuckb

    50s cars

    your figures don’t compute. sounds like the administration

  • http://com i41

    JeffH and chuckb, remember all democraps are Nazi Traitor Soros Socialist follower idoits. He sold out his family to the Nazis and beleives in socialism. You should know these smucks have always embraced total government control of everything you do or how you live. Still haven’t had any of the Soros Socialist pukes defend their Nazi Traitor leader and string puller. If you are wondering why fuel prices are climbing, on Sept 14 2010, Onumnutts and his envior smucks were having trouble selling the green crap, as well as the match box electic and hybred vehicles were not selling worth a damn. For the previous 2 years of permitting and logistics planning for the Tran-Canadian pipeline, it was to be installed from Baker Montana to the gulf. It would take the Williston=Baaken crude down to be loaded on ships going to China to pay off our massive debt. It was stopped by the EPA and the administration. It would have placed over 8500 heavy equipment operators as well as double that amount of workers for welders, mechanics and support help at %30 an hour wage rate. Also this did not include the trucking fleet drivers delivering pipe, who were garenteed to make $75,000 a year, since several friends kids had hired on waitingf to go to work. In November the Williston feild expanded by almost 200 miles as 2 oil wells were wild catted close to Bear Butte near Sturgis SD, at the 850 foot dept. A year ago the latest estamate was only 503 billion barrels of crude, now the expansion of the feild we can only guess. The pipeline was supposed to be done in by one year. Where the pipeline cross the Missouri River, work has been going on for over 3 years. So what bunch of f–king idoit bastards are stopping us from getting out from under China. Or who approved letting China become owner of the worlds largest uranium mine in the world, out in Wyoming. The same dumb morons that slowed down coal mining and made the biggest coal deposits in the world be made into a wilderness area, democrats. The coal deposit was stopped from being developed, it was by Whorehound Clinton, out in Utah. The other 1.2 million acre wildermess area is out in Wyoming, was done by Onumnutts where oil is down only 1500 foot. In short, the Soros Socialist Dumbocrap Party envior idiots are the dinks at the helm. Comparing EU to the USA, these people have to be idoits, unless they are too stupid to be self suffient or just to damn lazy to work. When talking oil feilds don’t forget the big feild that is in New Mexico and Az where the last refinery permitted sits partially constructed in AZ, thanks to 35 years of frivolus lawsuits by the enviro loons worrying about a jumping mouse study, which has been proven to range from up in Canada to Mexico. Can everyone say “what idoit socialist envior bastards of the marxist communist union democrat socialist puke ilk”, that only want to destroy our nation of the USA.

  • chuckb

    141

    very interesting. i don’t think it will be possible to get this country straightened out by political means. these people have been pushing their agenda since the sixties and the american people for the most part have sat back being more interested in the tv football and basketball games. if these people we just elected don’t make some progress and the gas keeps going up, there’s going to be trouble. what we can do about it is another problem. the military personnel i know are not in favor of the way things are going so the administration may not have the backing if people say enough is enough.
    the liberal progressives over the years have dumbed down the kids in the schools with their effort to make education a level playing field and have brainwashed them with this environmental crap and now we see where all this has led us. we have a person in the white house that was placed there by people who have other interest than the welfare of the u.s. l

  • Irena

    I do not feel too sorry for anyone in the lower 48 who are, gasp, paying three bucks for gasoline. Here in Alaska, we have been paying well over a dollar more per gallon than the lower 48. I think that Hawaii is the only one that is more expensive than up here. Apparently, and ironically enough, one has to live further from the source to get cheaper gasoline and heating fuel. And in our very own newspaper this last week, conservative and native groups pitched a fit about more drilling up north, putting a halt to that, as well. Natives talk about wanting ”their way of life”, only to be the first ones to complain when heating oil prices go up. Never mind that, like other, anti-drilling folk, those who oppose cannot seem to put their money where their mouths are. Think Al Gore jetting around the world with his global warming mantra, and such, only to be the one wasting the most gasoline, while telling the rest of us we have to converve and ”go green’. I do not see him walking or biking to work, and being conservative. The saying “put up or shut up” comes to mind. Gore’s actions makes it hard to take seriously what is coming out of his mouth, even if he does have good ideas-or not.

    As far as alternative energy sources are concerned, Alaska is screwed-especially this time of year-with solar power type resources for energy. I lke what one university professuer had to say about the matter: Drill for oil in ANWR, and to hell with Califorinia & the lower 48, let’s keep it for ourselves”. It sounds nice, but do not think that hell has frozen over just yet. Well, let the president, EPA, and other, anti-drilling companies have their way long enough, and Russia may just decide to amble on down our way one day, and drill for themselves that oil that we seem to be determined to give to everyone else except the U.S., or keep buried altogether for someone else to access later on in the future.

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