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Fahrenheit 450

September 9, 2010 by  

Fahrenheit 450

I remember the first time I read Ray Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451. I was a prisoner in an 8th grade English class. I also knew I was going to be facing Ayn Rand and George Orwell, with Anthem and Animal Farm looming on the syllabus. The teacher was clearly working on a bit of a motif.

The only motif my teenage mind could discern was: “Truckload of homework.” The teacher was endeavoring to instill a more profound lesson: Literary and intellectual oppression is anathema to civilized society. For those of you who are victims of teachers’ unions: Burning books is stupid.

Burning books also doesn’t work. The anti-intellectualism of someone who would torch even Al Franken’s idiotic drivel deserves even less respect than the driveller himself. Don’t sell Al’s deepest thoughts short — there’s that wobbly leg on the coffee table, for instance. More to the point: From the Nazi Säuberung to the Fairness Doctrine, even short-lived victories in a war on knowledge always end up buried under a pile of either bodies or ballots (in the Fairness Doctrine example, a pile of Dennis Kucinich speeches).

During my internment in 8th grade English, I would gladly have siphoned gas out of my teacher’s Oldsmobile to assist an effort to rid us of the collected works of Bradbury, Rand and Orwell.

I was 13. What’s Terry Jones’s excuse?

Jones, the pastor of the incongruously-monikered Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., has announced that he and his congregants will be marking the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks by putting the Koran to the torch. Despite cautionary notes sounded by everyone from the local fire department to General David Petraeus, Jones is going ahead with his bonfire of the inanities. Jones says he and his congregation are making a statement about standing up to the forces of terrorism embodied by the Islamofacists who flew planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in rural Pennsylvania.

I say Jones is playing the part of a lowbrow Macbeth (bet Jones is no fan of Shakespeare, either). By throwing his pyrotechnic tantrum, he’s offering sound and fury, but signifying very little.

Standing up to the forces of extremism and stupidity by acting in an extremely stupid manner is… extremely stupid. I have perused the Koran and remain decidedly non-Muslim (it’s a bacon thing). Nor do I have any desire to set my copy on fire, because it’s a really nice leather bound edition and I am intelligent enough to read divergent doctrine and/or opinion without being overcome with the urge to reach for a lighter (or shop for a new vest in the Semtex department).

However, Jones and his flock burning the Koran won’t further inflame the hatred of those who venerate the 9/11 hijackers. Gainesville, Fla., is also home to the University of Florida. Give an Islamofascist an eyeful of what the Gator coeds are wearing on campus and the Dove World Outreach Center might as well festoon their building with flaming Suras.

“Akbar, did you see the church in Gainesville has burned the Koran?”

“I did, Mustafa. But did you see that girl outside the student union? I COULD SEE HER ARMS ABOVE THE WRISTS!”

“THAT’S IT! DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!!”

They’ve already drawn their proverbial line in the rubble. Besides, we’re already fighting them and have been for the better part of a decade. And for the millions of Muslims worldwide who want nothing to do with the Al-Qaida/Taliban brand of Islam, most are either smart enough to recognize crazy when they see it or will shake their heads with the same sad bewilderment which I feel every time Chris Matthews starts talking about Obama-induced tingling in his lower extremities.

I suppose I should note that liberals are — predictably — trying to cast Jones and his minions as members of the “religious right.” I should subsequently direct you to the aforementioned Fairness Doctrine for an example of who the Islamofascists’ kindred spirits are on this side of the pond.

The real issue here is that Terry Jones and the Dove World Outreach Centrists are morons, albeit morons basking in their 15 minutes of fame. They don’t represent the American people, so President Obama can scrap his latest apology to nations which stone women for flashing their ankles, and MSNBC’s “hosts” can stop wringing their hands.

If you burn books, you’re just an idiot — nothing more. If you’re concerned about idiots, look for the smoke, then walk the other way.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • JeffH

    Terry Jones and his Dove World Outreach Center deserve the same considerations as the “Ground Zero” mosque. A huge majority are offended that a “sharia” mosque would be built so close to ground zero. The POTUS thinks differently. “As Petraeus said, it puts our troops in harm’s way,” Robert Gibbs told reporters Tuesday. “And obviously anything that puts our troops in harm’s way would be a concern to this administration.” Of course MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann addressed the topic, ignoring the intentions of the church and instead framed the effort to stop the Quran burning as “a practical issue,” rather than an academic or fringe discussion.

    Is this Koran burning any more harmful to our American troops than building a mosque that supports killing “infidels” in the middle of NY at ground zero is to American at home?

    You either must support both or deny both because as a supporter the principles are equivelant. I personally don’t support either one.

    • dan az

      JeffH
      neither do I!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      JeffH,
      count my vote on that as well!!

    • Claire

      JeffH– I saw Petraeus (sp) on the news and he said the Quran burning could be bad for our troops, it could put them more into harm’s way. He may have a point. Plus all religious leaders are condemning this burning. I didn’t have a problem with burning this satanic book, however, now that I have heard it could be bad for our troops, I am beginning to wonder. I am more concerned about our troops, not anything else. What do you think?

      • patricia

        Claire, I have also seen the clip with Gen. Petraeus(sp) and I think I see how it could hurt the troops…you see, burning the Quran would be tantamount to showing a lack of respect to peaceful Muslims…you see, some are peaceful…and then you have the RADICALS. That doesn’t mean I support the mosque at or around Ground Zero. That is an event that none of us will forget. It would mean that 3000 + people lost their lives for nothing.

        • ALWAYS RIGHT

          “Peaceful muslims” is an oxymoron. If you’re a muslim, you’re told to kill, convert or enslave (“dhimmitude”) non-muslims. End of Story. what is “peaceful” about that?
          There are muslims actively trying to bring on the 12th Imam and a world-wide caliphate through brutality and violence and those passively trying to do so. But the end result is the same: Death of Western civilization, Christianity & Judaism. “Peaceful” your butt! They hack of heads off of non-combatants and videotape it. They stone and mutilate women and children and use them for human shields. And this guy is worred about “offending” them. Stuff a koran with bacon slices, burn it then urinate on it to put it out, all on video. That’s what I plan to do.

      • Mike Austin,TX

        Several points you may be missing. Just being in that country puts our troops in danger. No, just being alive does. The bigger picture here is the POTUS did not stick up for the Right to burn the books with a disclaimer that is is not a good idea and may further inflame crazy zealots. If he had, the misguided pastor may have taken a different path. As the chief defender of the Constitution, Barry should have acknowledged the right, regardless of the consequences. Just goes to show the double standard. So, in order to insure this duplicity continues to be highlighted, burn as many koran as possible.

        • Wanda Murline

          As I was watching the people in Iraq and Afghanistan, I saw them burning our beloved flag and hanging a dummy which I feel was an infidel..you know..you and me. These people are living in America, building mosques to show victory over us, and they must realize that this is not Great Britian where they can just take over. We have laws that protect us, I think we still have a Constitution, so if the Muslims want to live in this country, they need to learn the law. If this guy wants to burn the Korans, he has the Constitutional right to do so. Petraus is only repeating what the POTUS tells him to do…he is using the military as a scapegoat to stop this to protect the Muslims. The military took orders for their rules of engagement where they could not even shoot an enemy unless they got permission form an overseeing officer, and they are concerned about this?

          • eddie47d

            Wanda; Are we showing victory over Muslims when we build a Christian church in Uganda or Nigeria? I don’t think so! I believe the Christian religion is the better Way and we must prove it to the world. You want to fight evil things with your own evil. Show them the Light of Christianity and leave the darkness to our God.

          • MSGT JOHN CORREA – USAF (RET)

            Wanda, I totally agree with you. Most Americans have two serious problems; they have a tendency to forget events much too easily, and they are basically much too lazy to research history. In Iraq I saw a woman jump up and down with “JOY” when our WTC buildings were destroyed along with the lives of three thousand American men and women. What really makes me angry is the knowledge that never in the history of the United States has our government ever interfered or involved themselves in the protection of any Judeo-Christian religion as much as certain government officials are protecting the Islamic religion of the Muslims. Furthermore, I don’t believe that New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg has any knowledge of the Muslim’s history or its originator, Mohammed. Why do you suppose the Muslims object to the translation of their Koran? I suggest that Americans research the history of Mohammed who ran from Mecca to Medina to save his butt. The reason for his immediate departure was due to his to preaching of violence against the people he designated as “evil-doers.” Here’s a few of their Koran’s Suras; 1. In Sura 18:21 you will understand Why Muslims insist on building a Mosque at Ground Zero; IT IS THEIR SYMBOL OF VICTORY as they built their Mosque over Spanish churches in Cordoba and Seville and Segovia, and Agia Sophia in Constantinople. 2. Sura 9:5, 9:3, and 9:29 of the Koran effectively commands Muslims to kill the non-believers. (meaning us infidels.) I don’t wish to make this paragraph any longer than I have too; but you should research the Koran and its Suras for yourself to learn that the Muslims are currently “infiltrating” key governmnet positions with the help of the foreign-born Muslim Communist U.S. President Barack Hussein Obama II. Wait until you read the Koran’s Sura 5:51, 5:54, and 5:60 that label’s the Jews and Christians as “pigs and monkeys.” Once they gain more and more ground in government, they will impose their law of “Sharia” as the law of the land over us. Wake up Americans!!!

            MSGT JOHN CORREA
            USAF (RET)

          • Beepster

            The Muslims in the U.S. are in the minority, and, as told in the Quran, they must act peacefully. As they take over more and more areas and form inclaves, they start with their Sharia Law. The Quran teaches Tayiqqa, the lieing, deceiving, smiling at infidels while hateing them in their hearts. Google Tayiqqa.

        • Claire

          At the risk of being labeled as standing up for Obama–it wouldn’t have made one bit of difference if he agreed or disagreed with the burning of this satanic book. Obama would have been crucified either way he chose. If he was against it, people would have screamed bloody murder. If he was “for” they still would have screamed bloody murder.
          Now I am beginning to wonder if this preacher simply wanted his 15 minutes of fame? Look at all the religious leaders that are denouncing this action.

        • JeffH

          Mike Austin,TX…that’s my point exactly…double standards. I agree that our military is already in harms way and it seems that burning the book or not won’t chage that. I don’t particularly like any kind of book burning no matter what it is and I sure don’t support the building of a mosque that will support the idea of killing “infidels”.
          Some people will stand up for a “sharia” compliant mosque then under the same breath condemn the “freedom of expression” book burning.

          • JeffH

            …another thought to add is that maybe America is more open to “terrorist muslim” acts of aggression under Obama than before.
            Just a thought!

      • Ed Lester

        In case no one noticed, our troops are already in harms way. Gen. Petreaus, of all people, should be aware of this. As long as Jones doesn’t burn my copy of the Koran, I got no beef with him. It’s called protest, people, and as I recall he has the right. A foolish gesture, probably. But no more foolish than most of what is in the Koran. It is an uninspired pseudo-spiritual rant written by a horny adolescent Arab narcissist.

        • Wanda Murline

          Did you know that Mohammad took his first wife at the age of 5 or 6, but did not consumate the marriage until she was 9…in my view he was a pediphillic rapist. You decide.

          • Claire

            I have edited numerous books about terrorism–I know all about the islams/muslims. I have no use for them. They can stay out of my life. And I could care less about the burning of satan’s book. I already know our troops are in harms way–they should have been brought home years ago. In fact, they should never have been sent there in the first place. But no, seems like the politicians wanted another Viet Nam. As far as our troops not being able to engage in firepower–is this the truth? We don’t know half of what has been going on over there, administrations only “tell” us what they want us to hear, and only in a manner that will make “them” look good. The MSM/talk show hosts continue to stir the pot. Who knows what the real truth is? Bring our troops home, now.
            In Tennessee a mosque has already been torched. Be on the lookout, for it may happen to our churches. People may be playing with “fire” literally. We have to walk softly and carry a big, big stick.

          • Sheldon

            You are referring to Aisha or Ayesha… Mohammed’s THIRD wife.

          • Wanda Murline

            Sheldon, thank you for pointing out that the 9 year old was Mohammad’s third wife. I don’t care if it was his 75th, the fact that he molested a 9 year old is wrong. Had he done this in this country, he would have been prosecuted for rape and spent some time in a jail cell. This should awaken the people of America, the Koran is a book written by one man in his lifetime, with only his ideas and fantasies. It is contradictory, so it states that when contradition arises, take the latter writings as the rule of law…and the later writings are the most violent.

          • Sheldon

            Wanda… when you tell people that Mohammed was a pedophile, I want you to have your facts correct, so your words will have more impact. I also hope you tell many people. Like you, I don’t care “if it was a different time” and I don’t care if he waited a couple of years after marrying a six year old to consummate the marriage.

          • coal miner

            Wanda Murline,

            Where in the hell did you get that at? Muhammad’s first wife was twenty five years old.He had eleven wives.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad%27s_wives

          • Sheldon

            Coal Miner… the wikipedia article you linked to said Mohammed was 25 when he married his first wife… who was 40 years old at the time. It appears that age didn’t matter to him. It also said he was monogamous until her death.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            coal dunger,
            We are talking about his third wife aisha. Dig a little deeper and you will find she was six years old when betrothed to him and the marriage was consumated at age nine!!! Suggest you google Muhammads wifes? and you will get a lsting of them in order, age and life span!!! Do we have to tell you how to do EVERYTHING?!?!?

          • Sheldon

            Joe… follow the thread, try to get your head around the conversation before you start calling people names.

          • Kate8

            Claire, I wholly agree with you. You are right on the money.

          • Claire

            kate8—Hi!! Glad you agree. Hope all is well with you and yours.

          • coal miner

            Wanda Murline and Joeh,

            The so called wisest man in the wasn,t exactly a moral man,remember Soloman?

            http://kingsolomonsgate.com/xxx.htm

          • coal miner

            Wanda,

            Incest in the bible,try Lot’s daughters.

            http://www.religioustolerance.org/chrincest.htm

          • http://naver samurai

            Coal digger, don’t forget that his daughters got him drunk as a monkey till he passed out. After he fell “asleep” then they took advantage of him. Get your facts straight before you post! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            sheldon,
            If you just look at the site he suggested for a minute, you might see why I’m so flabergasted with him and it isn’t the first time as well. Besides, he has called many, many people on this site names myself included and I give back twice what I recieve. Sorry if you don’t like it but too bad!!

          • coal miner

            Wanda’

            The Characters in the Bible are no better.

            http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

        • independant thinker

          “In case no one noticed, our troops are already in harms way. Gen. Petreaus, of all people, should be aware of this.”

          Petreaus probably is aware of it most likely he is following orders to speak against the koran burning.

          • coal miner

            My mistake.

            Sorry about that,Sheldon.

          • Sheldon

            lol Took me a few times to figure it out too. Poorly written.

          • coal miner

            Wanda,

            I meant solomon!

          • coal miner

            Samurai,

            You just close the door on your own Barn.If lot Was was passed out drunk how could he have erection.Men don’t get erections when they are passed out drunk. Thats impossible.

      • herman richardson

        Just keep turning your head away, it doesn’t matter to folks until it happens to them. Why are the folks of America the butt of joke about freedom, where is it? Take care of what is ours, let them stay where they are in the country they think is so wonderful and LEAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE alone. Live your own life in the best way you can and quit trying to ram it down our throats. The only thing apparent here is HE LIED from the beginning. And continues to play the American people like a fiddle. Remember the revolution, might be time to consider that again. FOR THE PEOPLE not the politicians

      • Bob

        Claire most of you people are missing the point. This little piss ant preacher with a whopping 50 congregants is only being used by tne media to whip up more anti muslim fever. If any violence comes from this the media should be held accountable. Why doesn’t the media write articles on the good things religious people do?

        • Claire

          Bob — Hey, you have a good point. I just posted a comment regarding this preacher–I wondered if he was doing it to get his 15 minutes of fame. Hell yeah–these people do it to get the media’s attention and the media blows it all out of proportion, like they do every bit of “news” they hear. They all want their 15 minutes of fame. I agree with you–the media hardly ever reports on the “good stuff” that happens in America. Brainwashing–this includes the MSM and the radio talk show hosts.

          • Claire

            Bob—lol – the little “p— a–”

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Claire: must you judge everyone by your own pathetic standards? Maybe, just maybe, he is a brave man doing the right thing to get these rag heads to back off the mosque thing.

          • Claire

            gunner689–My pathetic standards? What about your own? Do you walk on water? I think not. I posted an opinion just like you posted yours, if you do not like my opinions, don’t read them. I have my standards and I will keep them whether anyone likes it or not. You have yours and you are entitled to them. But don’t call my standards pathetic. I have never called yours pathetic nor anyone elses’. If we do not agree then so be it.
            It did not bother me one bit if he burned the koran, who gives a crap about that piece of garbage. I don’t. But the next thing I heard was that it could possibly be detrimental to our troops. To me, our troops come first.
            Plus the fact there are scores of people out there that will do anything for their 15 minutes of fame. Then they write a book and amass a fortune.

        • JeffH

          Bob, I agree that this shouldn’t even be a story but the leftist controlled MSM once again steps up to the plate with what should be a non-story, thus putting America as a whole in harms way, not just our military. It is just a reminder that the MSM has become the National Enquirer news source. Accountability has become just another 14 letter word to the MSM.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            did you hear today that the Immam said if he allows the mosque to be moved to another place there will be an uprising among the people of his country? How bout’ we let them rise up, then knock them to hell down???

          • Jeff

            Joe H., I haven’t heard that one. I’ll have to check it out.

        • independant thinker

          “This little piss ant preacher with a whopping 50 congregants is only being used by tne media to whip up more anti muslim fever.”

          Bob, assuming what you say has some truth to it the media isn’t trying to incite violence against muslims for the sake of violence but rather as a means to another end such as calling for more repression of free speach and other freedoms/rights of the American people.

          • Bob

            IT The media likes wars and violence because that’s what sells newspapers.

        • JLC

          Bob — This is, admittedly, hearsay, but it comes from a very reliable source. A close family friend, with two sons currently serving in Afghanistan tells me that, according to her sons, their chaplains are not permitted to be in the field. For whatever it is worth!!

          • libertytrain

            Well I don’t know if this is considered “in the field” but:
            http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hAO6NEFk6og1zlkBfN4fcuCdP3owD9HVVDG00

          • Bob

            JLC The Chaplains aren’t allowed in the field because they don’t want the preachers to see the troops guarding the poppy fields.

          • JLC

            Liberty Train — Thank you for the link.

          • libertytrain

            JLC – you’re welcome. I just remembered hearing the news last week.

        • Jim H.

          Bob, Is the MSM using this to whip up anti-Muslim fever or are they trying to infer that all Right Wing Christians are wacky like the p— ant preacher? Just a thought.

          • Claire

            Jim H– The MSM seizes upon any tidbit and pump it up into something catastrophic that stirs the pot amongst Americans. They “prey” on just about anything if they think it will create a turmoil. BTW–what about the after effects of the oil spill? We never hear anything about that anymore. Sometimes they bypass the “real news” and report on garbage like the preacher and give him 15 minutes of fame over the burning of the Koran. The MSM hawked that story like it was the only news they had.

          • Bob

            Jim H Whether you know it or not very few Christians own newspapers, tv stations or any other media. Most controlled by 15 families, mostly Jewish, not Christian.

        • coal miner

          Bob,

          You are right.I blame CNN, Fox News and CBS.

        • Claire

          Bob–My son came over for supper and he said almost the exact same thing you posted!

          • Bob

            Claire you have a very smart son. Probably because he doesn’t read all the BS on these websites.

      • http://PLD TomD

        I am not for burning the book either but I think our troops are at danger no matter what. Maybe if they dont burn the book it will what? stop the vermin from killing our troops or citizens. No, no matter what these type of muslims what us and our culture DEAD.
        I hope when we see these people burning the US flag or pissing on the Bible the same people speaking out against the koran being destoyed will get as passionate but I doubt it

    • af

      Actually– since you want to make an issue of this– the right to build a building is not guaranteed by the constitution. But freedom of speech, religion and the right to assemble are. So the peacher in Florida has an implicit right to his planned bonfire; the imam does not have an implicit right to build. Moreover– the imam has apparently been the beneficiary of preferential treatment not afford another sect, whom being Eastern Orthodox, could not possible wield the pressure the muslims can. Oh– and the church denied rebuilding rights was there BEFORE the world trade towers came down. So much for equal treatment under the law.

      Quite clearly, one need not hook the two (koran burning and mosque building) together.

      • TL

        Finally a brain in the Nutz Stuff

        • Bob

          The Mosque is not going to be built. It is another story to divide the people.

      • Robert Smith

        From af: >>>Quite clearly, one need not hook the two (koran burning and mosque building) together.<<<

        Correct on the surface of it. But there are three points that must be taken into consideration.

        1. Book burning is nuts. As is Tipper Gore's efforts to discriminate against some kinds of music and the urge of right wing christians to excise Darwin from text books.

        2. The Muslum building is ALREADY there. They are a very moderate group of folks and the head of it has been taking point and going over seas to try to build bridges. We need folks like that as much as we need soldgers. It's easy to put a boot on someone's throat but when the boot is lifted you still have an enemy. If you respect someone, their religion, and reach an understanding that they are mutually out to dominate each other (as some muslums and christians are inclined to do) then there is a chance for peace.

        3. We can't forget the regular American flag burnings that often show up in the news.

        Flag burning by itself truly demonstrates that we are dealing with folks over there just as crazy as Jones. They don't represent all muslums any more than Jones represents all christians.

        Rob

        • independant thinker

          “2. The Muslum building is ALREADY there. They are a very moderate group of folks”

          What is already there is a Burlington Coat building that was damaged and condemed as a result of debris from the planes that hit the twin towers.

          If they are so damned moderate why are not they much more vocal in their condemnation of not only terrorist acts by other muslims but those who propose, plan, finance, and carry out those acts.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          robert,
          Hey dip stick I suggest you look up what the Immam said about allowing the building to be built elsewheres!!! That Mosque is just an attempt to disgrace the American people and set up a monument to the attackers! You wanna believe that these are “peaceful” people go ahead right up till you lose your head over them!!! I’ll believe they mean to subjugate the American people and be ready for them when they come!!

          • coal miner

            JoeH,
            Hey brain donor it is Iman,not Imman.

          • libertytrain

            coal – do a little of the research you enjoy so much – Imam not Iman -”(Reuters) – A New York imam involved in a project to build a Islamic cultural center and mosque near the site of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks in the city is willing to discuss moving the controversial location, a Florida Islamic leader said on Thursday.”
            — is one example, there are many. Try Wikipedia – though it’s not always the perfect site.

      • Bruce D.

        We have the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. Building a home on your own property certainly falls under that in the DI. I think the 4th Amendments guarantees property rights. Also any rights not enumerated in the Bill of Rights are reserved for the people. Government has no rights. Government has duties. I know people on this site are more knowledgable than me on the Constitution. Maybe they can give a clearer understanding.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Bruce D,
          Can you spell eminent domain???

          • coal miner

            JoeH,
            Can you spell Iman?HA HA HA

          • libertytrain

            Coal – it seems that the correct word is Imam – not Iman which means strength of belief – so you’re apparently incorrect as well.

          • coal miner

            Liberty’

            Wrong, it is Iman.

            http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/GLOSSARY/IMAN.HTM

          • libertytrain

            Ah Coal – I think of faith and belief in the same way – but that’s me and hundreds of other Internet sites that consider Iman belief and/or faith as pretty much interchangeable – ah semantics.

          • libertytrain

            Coal – looking at Joe’s article he was referring to the Imam not the faith or belief that relates to the word Iman

          • libertytrain

            coal again, if Joe was referring to the cleric as it appears he was when he said the Immam, the correct spelling is Imam. Iman is belief or faith not the cleric.

          • coal miner

            Liberty,

            An imam (Arabic: إمام plural أئمة A’immah‎, Persian: امام) is an Islamic
            leadership position, often the leader of a mosque and the community. …

        • libertytrain

          Yes Coal and that is whom he was referring to.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            libertytrain,
            I couldn’t write comedy better than this!!! He proves himself WRONG!!! I just hit the “M” key twice by accident!!! I would have done it sooner if I had known it would make me laugh this much.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      JeffH…. Very well said! If they want to be here, in this country, they must learn that we have a Bill of Rights. I think a bonfire made of Qurans is not ‘politically correct’, but neither is flying planes into skyscrappers!

      • JeffH

        Robin from Arcadia, IN, well said and simply easy to understand.

    • http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish Doug Schexnayder, PhD (ret)

      QURAN…EDIT,THEN BURN BABY BURN

      The massive outrage of intolerant liberals and cult of allah fawners concerning a tiny American christian church burning a few Qurans has brought up a great point about the Quran.
      The offensive murderous medieval sections of the Quran (added later) that give CAUSE for worldwide murder of innocents for at least a generation should NOW be edited out.

      A worldwide committee of top islamists should immediately convene to do this obvious editing of the Quran so the rest of the world does not have to suffer the mindless terror via “misinterpretation” anymore.

      Why has this obvious scrubbing NOT already been done?

      Why have you not heard ANY islamic voice clamoring for this obvious long overdue move?

      We should ignore the lies like, “its radical islam, its the jihadists”. Until the Quran is edited ALL ISLAM IS RADICAL.

      Over a billion cult of allah members and not a peep about removing or editing that (supposedly) few sections that are “misunderstood”.
      What does that tell you?

      Is it not true that centuries ago all Qurans were burned except one version so as not to confuse followers?
      Well, here we are again. There are NO excuses.
      You now have that uneasy gut feeling, don’t you?

      conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

      • http://PLD TomD

        Amen Brother

    • Kate8

      JeffH, I would not be part Koran burning, but not because it would further inflame muslims.

      If we keep walking on egg-shells, bowing to every cry of “insult” on the part of Muslims, it will only get worse. We can’t allow ourselves to be intimidated by threats into giving up our rights of expression.
      If this is a statement these folks want to make, then it is their choice.

      Maybe a bit less publicity would be in order here. No doubt this administration has made a spectacle of this in order to futher discredit American conservatives. I’m sure if it was a Bible-burning (or worse) on the part of Muslims, it would have scarcely gotten notice. Christians are insulted, defamed and marginalized every day, and no one cares about hurting Christian’s feelings.

      We all know that the intent of Islam is to dominate our country. Allowing them to build near GroundZero is no less an insult to us. If they want to burn Korans, let them. Maybe it’s important to them. In any case, it’s not for us to say whether they can or not. We do not have to participate or approve. The media could have left it as a private event, and then it wouldn’t have mattered.

      • Jeff

        Kate8, as usual you get it. Well said and I agree.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        I’ve got a better idea. Let’s bury Korans and burn mosques.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          gunner689,
          Even better yet bury mosques and burn terrorists!!!

    • http://att.net Virginia L. Connor

      I asked to read Ray Bradbury in my high school sophomore year because I did not want to read CATCHER IN THE RYE.Later, I met Mr. Bradbury and I could only bring one book to bring for him to sign. Guess which book I asked him to sign? None other than FAHRENHEIT 451! He asked me why I chose it and I told him I didn’t care for censorship, since that meant the Bible could also be censored as well. He agreed too. I happen to be a Christian and conservative, but I feel that burning the Koran will only make things worse for Christians and Jews. I don’t want the Mosque built near Ground Zero, but is it worth WW111?

    • katy b

      Robert Gibbs:“And obviously anything that puts our troops in harm’s way would be a concern to this administration.”
      Oh really? if the troops were a concern to O and his regime, (they) wouldn’t have changed the Rules of Engagement – which in truth is making our troops sitting ducks.

    • Karolyn

      Give me a break!! You cannot equate the two in any way shape or form. and the “mosque” 2(long, NY) blocks from Ground Zero is not to be a mosque but a cultural center with a prayer room. That preacher in Florida is nothing but a big a-hole who’s having a great time with his 15 minutes of fame. It’s just a damn shame the media couldn’t have just ignored him.

      • independant thinker

        I have read in numerous articles on the subject that the top floor of the proposed building is to be a mosque.

  • PJ

    What’s going to change? They are going to try harder to kill us? If this is their level of tolerance, why are we allowing them to build anything in this country? Allowing a mosque at Ground Zero is submitting to Shariah. Kiss the US and freedom goodbye.

    • Robert Smith

      PJ asks: >>> If this is their level of tolerance, why are we allowing them to build anything in this country?<<<

      Because many of them are AMERICANS who happen to be muslum, just as many Americans are christian, jewish, budist, and all the other paths that people choose to walk.

      Rob

      • patricia

        Well said,Bob!!!

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        Have you read the Quran, or studied the history of Islam? I think not.

        • Dr. Mabuse

          Directly on point CAB, If he had done as you suggested, he would have found conversion by the sword as the modus operandi. I’ve posed this question to several Muslims, and have yet to receive an adequate answer. “If God is One as you profess, then why do you have sects and schisms in your religion?”

      • Claire

        Robert Smith– Okay, some may be nice Americans muslims/islams BUT this does not alter the FACT that they ARE muslim/islam people and do not forget that they were brought up in this belief.

        • Claire

          Robert Smith–I firmly believe “once a muslim/islam, always a muslim/islam” irregardless if they have American citizenship or not. Their beliefs are literally “burned” into their brains almost from the very minute they are born. No, I do not trust them. I never will.

      • Angel

        Rob, If they are so “American” why aren’t they offended by the attack on “their country”??? I think, like may other people do, that this is a statement of victory. Sorry, I can’t ambrace your statement. Wish I could, it would be so much easier and more comfortable if I could.

      • JeffH

        Robert Smith, a point you should understand is that YOU too are an “infidel” and any compliance with those that preach the Muslim Sharia Laws want you dead too. This IMAM has connections to Hamas and this mosque will “teach” sharia compliance. Killing “infidels” in America and most of the world is against the law if you weren’t aware.

        • Bob

          What page in the Quran does it say to kill infidels. I’d like to look it up.

          • Jeff

            I don’t play that game Bob. Try it on someone else!

          • Jeff

            Bob, just to top it off, where in my comment did I even mention “Quran”?

          • http://naver samurai

            There are too many to list.

        • Jeff

          Qur’an (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

          Qur’an (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah” From the historical context we know that the “persecution” spoken of here was simply the refusal by the Meccans to allow Muhammad to enter their city and perform the Haj. Other Muslims were able to travel there, just not as an armed group, since Muhammad declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah.” According to Ibn Ishaq (324), Muhammad justified the violence further by explaining that “Allah must have no rivals.”

          Qur’an (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars.

          Qur’an (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
          http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

        • Jeff

          The text of the Koran is undeniable. How can you be Muslim and still support our Constitution?

          In Islam, all non-Muslims are called unbelievers or infidels. The treatment of the infidels in Islam is divided into two categories. The polytheists, pagans, idolaters and heathens have the choice of converting to Islam or suffer death. The Jews and Christians, whom the Koran calls people of the book, can retain their religion but on the sufferance of accepting humiliation and subjugation to Islam and payment of Jizyah (poll-tax) to the Islamic rulers.

          Now, let us have a closer look at what the Koran says about the infidels:-

          Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
          Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
          When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
          Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
          Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
          The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
          Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
          The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
          Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
          (22:19)

          Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
          The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
          Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
          Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
          Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)
          The Qur’an certainly proclaims that when the time is appropriate, Muslims must use force to convert the unbelievers to Islam. For the non-Muslims, the alternative to this is to pay the humiliating protection money (Jizya tax) or be killed (by beheading, of course). A militarily dominant Islam, without doubt, precludes the peaceful co-existence with the unbelievers if the Muslims have to abide strictly by the unalterable stipulations of the Qur’an.

          This is why we see very few “moderate” muslims coming out and speaking against the violence. There is so much overwhelming evidence stacked against them not able to be “moderate” because of the fundamental belief’s of Islam.
          http://infidelsarecool.com/2006/12/28/overwhelming-evidence-of-i/

          • Kate8

            You go, JeffH. We can always count on you to produce the evidence.

            If any Muslims were to speak out against the militants, they would become targets themselves. But then, Islam, itself, is militant, and demands “submission”.

            Historically, there have been many attempts by Islam to conquer. The middle east was Jewish before it was Muslim, Islam has moved to conquer Europe in the past and are again, and they are quite open about their intent for America. Why do we ignore this? Their goal has not changed. It hasn’t changed for going on two thousand years.

            Europe is lamenting their tolerance of Islam, and they are warning us not to go down this path. Yet, we continue to pander to them.

          • Claire

            JeffH– Thank you. Now maybe some people will wake up to what this cult is all about.

          • Viktor Leben

            Jeff,

            In a sense we are paying that tax “jizya” right now ! Consider all the money we send to the muslims, to buy their overpriced oil, makes you wonder if we aren’t under their control already !

            Now it seems we have 2 political/economic factions based on oil ? You have the Saudi and all the other muslim countries who sell us overpriced oil. Then you have the Iranians and the countries behind them. Both sides are dominated by Islam. Both sides are spreading their own disinformtion in the media…

            It’s a damn oil war ! And we are funding it.

          • JeffH

            Vik…as for the middle east muslims , we paid and taught them how to make money from their oil and have done a good job funding(CIA)their little wars. They don’t like us and probably never have but it is the worlds “muslim extremists” that have declared war on western non-muslim civilizations. If not the USA then they’d be fighting with someone else. They are barbaric and for the most part are not peacefull and live to fight anyone.

          • http://naver samurai

            Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

    • Karolyn

      Have you ever been to NY? The CULTURAL CENTER is 2 blocks away and around the corner. 2 blocks in NY is a long way, believe me.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Karolyn,
        Yes, I have been to NYC about 17 times. And the place you speak of is close enough that one of the engines from one of the jets hit that very building!!! It is close enough to be in the debris field!!

        • Karolyn

          That’s not saying a hell of a lot. It was a pretty damned big explosion wasn’t it?

  • Charlie Foxtrot

    Well as I live in the area surrounding the ‘gala event’, I believe that while watching this spectacle, that I may be forced to set up a food stand and sell ribs. Pork that is. And yes that was sarcasm.

    Burning books, makes not one single bit of difference to how anyone thinks, or believes. And the MSM is on this like white on rice as yet another example of why We the People are too ignorant to know that they know what is best for us. And the point that either you support both the koran burnings and the cordoba mosque, or you oppose them both is valid. But nothing is going to change the way either Pastor Jones thinks, or the way the Islamists think. It just is what it just is. And sorry about my Benjamin the Donkey impersonation.

    • JeffH

      Charlie Foxtrot, I agree.

  • tg7357

    I think General Petreaus is concerned because of the knife-edge our troops are living on in Afganistan. There are a lot of devout Muslims in that country and in Pakistan both that are not involved one way or the other with us or Al Queda or the Taliban. I think he’s worried that this kind of inflammatory gesture will bring a lot of the neutrals in on the side of the bad guys. The Muslims rever the Koran as the unabridged, unedited words of Mohammed, and I can respect their beliefs as such. Burning any religion’s revered writings is a show of ignorance, and that includes Muslims who burn Bibles. The books are not the problem: its the twisting of the words in them by fundamentalists thats the crux of the whole problem.
    Does that minister have the right to burn those Korans? Yes, he does.
    But if he really wants to protest the encrouchment of Islam into America, he needs to demonstrate in front of a mosque or hold a rally somewhere and speak his piece. From what I see, the man has found a novel way to commit suicide, because he will be a marked man if he goes through with this. Muslims don’t tolerate their own disrespecting their religion. Unless the good Rev was planning on become a martyr to Christianity all along with this, he’s about to make a real poor judgement call.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      tg7357…
      There are many who are ‘speaking their piece’ but it seems like this reaction to the mosque is not making any dent in their plans. Rev. Jones is going to the extreme. What he is trying to do is raise awareness of those who are not currently opposing the mosque and he doesn’t want to let anyone forget what happened on 9/11. He may be crossing a line with his idea if he goes through with it, but now that the public knows it will be doubtful that he will back down. Would a Muslim back down if the situation were reversed?

      • tg7357

        You’re talking about 2 different motivations where. Rev Terry won’t back down because the media won’t let him. He’s getting his 15+ minutes of fame, and MSLSD and CNNDenial are egging him on with this.
        I don’t know if he really believes in what he’s doing is his Christian duty or not, but I will tell you that Muslims are charged by their religion to defend the Koran, media coverage not necessarily withstanding. What Rev Terry is going to do is offended Muslims who haven’t said yea or nay about America one way or the other, along wiht the fundamentalists who are already here and have their knives sharpened. I hope the governor of Florida has some National Guard troops still left there and not in Afganistan: he’s liable to need them in Gainesville by Saturday afternoon.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          tg7357…. Well, I am offended by the Muslims, but I wouldn’t intentionally kill one. They function on a different level than Americans do. We have compassion and give people the benefit of the doubt. I do not believe that they do. Of course I am generalizing, but from what I know of their beliefs, they do not tolerate Christians. I do not condone what Rev. Jones wants to do, but I also don ‘t condone building a mosque close to ground zero. If Muslims do not like our laws and want to trample on our rights, they have a country to call their own which they can return to.

        • LocalYokel

          Intimidation through fear has been the sword of Islam held over both its followers and infidels since it’s escape from Mecca in 622. The Quo’ran has been held as its unquestionable shield even before it suffered 322 years of editing. Seven ways of of reading the text were settled as the only canonical permissible methods using language grammar 158 years younger than the original script. Acceptance of only one of these methods has survived through control by continuous blood line of leaders. Rev Terry is inviting you and all other defenders of the Quo’ran to check the flammability of your unsubstantiated confusion.. Risk of exposure to truth is more than those affected by media white wash can tolerate

        • http://?? Joe H.

          tg7357,
          To a lot of extremist Americans, if those muslims rise up, it proves what they have been saying and Florida won’t need national guard!!!

      • Karolyn

        I think he’s just a crackpot looking to make a name for himself. Anybody can be a preacher in the south. Why does he only have 50 members in his congregation? Hmm. I wonder?

    • http://phpico.com UncleAl

      You say: The books are not the problem: its the twisting of the words in them by fundamentalists that’s the crux of the whole problem.

      I say: Right on!

      • tg7357

        But I also mean that for BOTH sides of the religious issue. Christian fundamentalists can be as bad as Muslim fundamentalists. Thats the problem with fanatics.

        • DaveH

          We are surrounded by people who want to manage our lives. And most of them can’t even manage their own.

        • Karolyn

          And a big AMEN to that!

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          That’s right. Remember when those 7 Day Evangelests flew those planes into the Trade Centers ? Yeah, you really have to watch those Christian fundamentalists. Remember when those Baptists had that taffy pull at that picnic a few years ago? Who was Taffy and what did they pull? Was Taffy a black or a muslim, and what happened to him afterward ?

      • Karolyn

        You’ve got that right Uncle Al.

    • RivahMitch

      “From what I see, the man has found a novel way to commit suicide, because he will be a marked man if he goes through with this. Muslims don’t tolerate their own disrespecting their religion.”

      So you’re suggesting that Islamofascists should be able to intimidate Americans into abandoning their rights? Let’s see, our own military destroys Bibles in the Middle East to avoid upsetting this scum and now we shouldn’t exercise our rights here for thew same reason? Unless and until Westerners begin to respond to deliberate insults and affronts (think “Piss Christ” and celebrity at the 9/11 attacks) in the same tenor as our adversaries there’s no reason to expect that “Western civilization” will survive. A Muslim building a 9/11 Victory Mosque at Ground Zero should be at least as afraid as a Copt worshiping in Egypt.

      • Karolyn

        He wasn’t getting a bonfire permit anyway.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          I don’t think it will work. Shit doesn’t burn too well.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            gunner689,
            Nah you have to draw a comic about it then they will issue a fatwa on you!!!

    • katy b

      “devout muslims” – i cringe when i see that phrase. Do you think they really are devout – which implies a choice? i choose to be a devout whatever. Their “devotions” are necessary – to live.

  • http:/lindysattic.com Marshall

    Hmmm, Ben Crystal wrote an excellent piece. I have not read Fahrenheit 451. My 8th grade time served was 1966. I did read Orwell in High School. So, “Ending IS better than mending” In certain respects. Old socks…sure, end em. Old cars…nope! Rebuild em. Friendships with most of the crazy world…end them for sure! I guess I need to read more.. Thanks Ben

  • Cribster

    Muslims in France (I believe most are illegal aliens) block streets five times a day for prayers. Even though it’s against the law the police are told to stand down. Why? Because if they try to enforce the law and remove the rude savages from the streets all Hell will break loose.

    That’s what comes from tiptoeing around Muslims.

    Radical Islam is a global virus! Stop installing footbaths in schools and airports. Stop catering to supermarket cashiers that won’t handle pork in hermetically sealed packages, stop reorienting toilets to face Mecca. Burn the damn Koran in America just as someone would, as repugnant as it would be, burn the Bible, burn and stomp the American flag.

    Islam keep gaining ground because of fear of retaliation. I’m beyond sick of the daily demands from Muslims and everyone backing down due to fear and hypersensitivity.

    • Mike Austin,TX

      You are exactly right. When they act this way, it is like a bully in the schoolyard. If he does not listen to reason, you MUST fight back or forever be a victim. Or, you are part of the problem that leads the bully to victimize others. Let’s all be part of the solution.

    • Bob

      Cribster Where do you get your information about the Muslims blocking streets in France?

    • Nilsson

      Cribster… I totally share your opinion about Islam. Let’s burn the Qu’ran, let’s increase the resentment between them and the West and let’s get ready for the 21st Century Crusades. This time around the Christians can use smart bombs, and the Muslims can use dirty bombs and Iran’s nukes. Maybe a little biological warfare too. Are you ready to rumble??

      • Cribster

        Indeed! I’m working on a pork launcher as we speak. ;)

      • LocalYokel

        Where will you stand when the line is drawn in the dust and all intimidation has failed?

  • Christopher51

    “We the Sheeple” have been warned! We have been warned that there will be severe repercussions if we, (A) Burn the Quran: (B) If we don’t allow the building of a Mosque at Ground Zero. Are we to be held hostage on our own soil? I, for one, am extremely tired of third world cretins dictating terms: That goes for most of western Europe as well.
    Bush screwed the pooch, so-to-speak. 9/11 Was a Tuesday morning. By that Friday, that entire area of the world should have been turned into an ashtray. This would then be a moot point.
    Make no mistake people, they will rise up… en masse, if push comes to shove. That’s more that I can say for us. Make no bones about it, these cretins were dancing in the streets on 9/11.
    May God have mercy on us all.
    The Holy Bible tells me to forgive. Some day I might. I will not, however, ever forget. 9/11, I know. I was there!
    Laus Deo

    • Pathfinder

      Even God, himself, does not forgive the unrepentant. Have you seen any repentance from the Moslems ??

      • LocalYokel

        Not a one, since in their beliefs the only unpardonable sin is desecration of the Quo’ran and indoctrination heals all others

      • Karolyn

        God forgives everybody!!

  • Greg

    25% of “mainline Islam” admit to at least passively support suicide bombing. Their goal is to destroy Western Civilization, impose Sharia law and kill or enslave all infidels. Ignore this at your own risk. Historically, every pacifist society on earth has been wiped out.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Greg: >>> Historically, every pacifist society on earth has been wiped out.<<<

      Ummmmm, like Germany, Japan, the Vikings, the Romans… Each and all who had the military stuffing kicked out of them.

      On the other hand Switzerland has done well. Is the Vatican a pacifist society? They were once asked how many troops they had. How did that turn out?

      Rob

      • Don Walker

        Switzerland is not pacifist. It has a military with compulsory service for all able body males. Switzerland is neutral. The survival of Switzerland as a neutral country depends on natural protection by geography and that nobody wants it badly enough to invade and take over.

        An interesting point – Swiss military members are required to keep a specific set of weapons at home. The crime rate is probably rather low. So, why invade when virturally every house is going to have a gun with someone willing to use it.

        • independant thinker

          Here is an incident that supposedly happened between a German General and a Swiss general. The German made the statement that if he invaded Switzerland with a 5 million man army against their 1 million man army what would the Swiss do. The Swiss general replied our troups would each fire 5 shots then we could return home. The implication being the Swiss were so well prepared that was all that would be needed to defeat the Germans.

          The weapon the Swiss are required to keep at home is their small arm that they carried while on active duty whether pistol, rifle, or maching gun. And, the Swiss crime rate is very low.

        • katy b

          RE: THE SWISS – virually everyone in Switz-land is armed – as they were all in military at some point in time – and do keep their arms when released. correct me if wrong.

    • Pathfinder

      The only good moslem is a dead moslem. Kill them all and let God sort them out.

      • Dr. Mabuse

        I thought that was the only good Indian, etc.
        However, applying the same philosphy of massacre and decimation will probably be the only way out after all this sabre rattling stops.
        Buckle up and grab your #$%#!%&^, its on like Donkey Kong… LOL…

      • Karolyn

        You are a sick m-f’er. why don’t you just go out and find yourself a sweet little Muslim kid and put a bullet in his head? Where did your ancestors come from? We are all God’s children. Are you an atheist? that’s OK if you are – just asking.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          karolyn,
          And God tells you to call people sick m-fers??? I don’t think so!!!

          • Karolyn

            Ooooh. I guess I better wash my mouth out with soap. Using profanity certainly does not compare with talk of killing people. I think that might be higher on the list of “bad” things. Besides, why would God care about words. Actually, I spoke the truth. anybody who talks of taking lives like it’s a lak really is a sick m-f’er.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U2n-RxUh48 infidel-Bob

    Regardless of your position, everyone knows that this will be worse than the Khartuun’s. (The “Cartoons” caused death and riots world-wide, 3 months later that is, when the Eemahms got no satisfaction from the Danish Gumit.) The Elephant in the room that isn’t discussed, even here: The Religion of Peace will again show it’s true colors,[Terry Moran's said: "There could very well be a gun battle out here"] but even then the Progressive Fellow Travelers will not acknowledge the fact that appeasement didn’t work with Hitler, and it’ll not work with Fundamental Moslems. If only 2% hold literal interpretations of the teaching of their prophet, that’s about 30 Million. There is a principle in Islam known as Takiya, the right to fake peace when you are weak for the purposes of defeating your enemy when you are stronger. This is Taught in the 10yr long treaty known as the Truce of Hudaybiyah
    Oh, by the way, 2 years into that treaty,

    Kill the disbelievers [non-moslems] wherever we find them. (Sura 2:191)

    The infidels are your sworn enemies. (Sura 4:101)

    Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. (Sura 9:123)

    Prophet, make war on the infidels. (Sura 66:9)

    “After all who speaks of the Armenians?”: – 1939 – Adolf Hitler

    • dan

      Thanks for the refresher…it’s been a long time since I studied and rejected the Koran as a rip-off of the Bible…and most don’t seem to realize that the Koran is not Holy but denies the devinity of Jesus
      (Yashua H’ Machia/God with us) and is ANTI (i.e.: instead of) Christ (i.e.:the annointed)
      as is Mustafa the profit.Perhaps M.Jones will avail himself of this opportunity to bring light to the deceived.
      …of course if Sharia would shut Pelozi,Brower,Brower and all the rest of the femi-nazis….

      • eddie47d

        So,Dan do you have your own secret desire to force sharia law on certain people of your choosing?

        • Jeff

          In your case fast eddie “stupid is as stupid does” applies.

          com·pre·hend [ kòmprə hénd ] (past and past participle com·pre·hend·ed, present participle com·pre·hend·ing, 3rd person present singular com·pre·hends)

          Definition:
          1. transitive and intransitive verb understand: to grasp the meaning or nature of something
          It was hard to comprehend the sheer scale of the problem.

          2. transitive verb include something: to include something as a part of a larger whole ( formal )

          [14th century. < Latin comprehendere "grasp fully" < prehendere "seize"]

          • eddie47d

            I comprehended his comment nicely and too bad you didn’t. Go back to licking on that salt block,Thanks.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      The Quran is a handbook for a military leader to enforce discipline and nothing else.

  • Wally Pieper

    Amen Cribster. You have stated my thoughts better than I could.

    Wally Pieper

  • Flynn

    “By throwing his pyrotechnic tantrum, he’s offering sound and fury, but signifying very little.” What are the Islamofascists signifying? Also, very little! Although I am not in favor of burning books either, we shouldn’t take away from Pastor Jones and his church the right to do it. This is true especially of any books of a religious nature because (Who knows?), they may be from God, Like Mr. Jones has said, they are simply making a statement, and that statement should be made. If the Islamofascists can’t stand such a statement, or they don’t like such a statement, or their ideas fail because of it, then so be it. The war against the principalities of darkness will continue.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Flynn,
      They can’t stand it because their belief system is weak!!! If their belief system was strong we couldn’t insult it any way!!!

  • American

    Muslims have been burning Bibles for years because they know how offensive it is to Christians but Christians aren’t supposed to burn the koran for fear of offending muslims? Those violent defenders of sharia law are like dogs…they can smell fear…and fear is what this country shows when we allow them to do to us and then cower behind the progressive mindset that we’re tolerant. They see we are weak against them because no matter what they do to us, no matter how much ground they gain in our country, we don’t want to offend them and we give them more ground. However, I don’t think this burning party should take place. If this had not been publicized so thoroughly beforehand there would be little fallout after the fact. Yet the MSM has sensationalized this to the point that now, if it goes through, it will be seen as an instigation to violence. The reverend now feels compelled to stick to his guns in the face of this media attack so he’s not going to back down and the muslim community will see it as another reason to perpetrate violence against us.

  • KM

    I believe that the troops are already in harms way as a result of the restrictive and unrealistic ROE (Rules of Engagement) that hamper the effectiveness of most of the maneuver units on the ground in Afghanistan. I have spent years here and the ‘political correctness’ generated by the likes of obama and clinton have rendered most units ineffective in the; pursue, capture, kill mode. Burning the koran, or anything else for that matter, isn’t going to change a thing on the ground. The locals are tired of our presence and would rather live under TB rule (because the TB are muslims) than to operate under “Infidels” rule (they believe that we are occupiers, not partners in any venture). We have not been able to significantly crush the TB, courtesy of a CinC who has never been in uniform, hates the military in general, and pushes (for purely political reasons) unrealistic ROE down to the troops in the field. The only thing being accomplished here these days is tax payer money being thrown at people who hate us. Afghans (in general) prefer a life style that mimics that of the 7th Century. Democracy is an abstraction here for these people. Tribal law rules…terrain dictates that…and it always has. If we are in a war, let us fight it…if not, let’s pull out. Book burning is insignificant in the day to day affairs of soldiers and Marines. Tempest in a tea cup.
    This place is hopeless…and the locals like it that way. Those of you that have been here know what I am talking about. Congressional Deligations see this place as if they were looking through the a straw. When they do show up they do not venture outside of the Embassy, and do not spend any time on the ground. They make recomendations based on that view, and those short timelines. To see them worked up over koran burning is nothing short of funny. Go ahead..burn the books, it won’t change a thing here.

    • Cribster

      My gut instinct lurched in the wrong direction when I heard General Petraeus make his statement, the initial gut reaction is almost 99% correct. His statement felt “political” and not general-like.

      Then I tried to analize his statement rationally and it still wasn’t adding up. Just as you said, the rules of engagement have been getting our soldiers killed for years and he’s worried about a Koran burning? Aren’t they trying to kill us anyway?

      Maybe burning the Koran would bring more of the disingenuous peace pretneders out in the open to face our forces rather than ambushing us later.

      • Bob

        I guess killing hundreds of thousand of women and children is OK but burning a book is not.

        • http://naver samurai

          Only if you are a terrorist, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            samurai,
            Good thing those terrorists have never killed any kids, huh?

      • LocalYokel

        Gen. Petraeus is obviously politically correct and therefore not able to employ military strategy that has always been 100% effective against muslims. But that would be considered profiling. Political correctness and longevity go hand in hand at his level.
        Ask George Patton.

    • LocalYokel

      If they decide to react to any defamation of Islam the fire will be fanned from the top down, not from the bottom. Yet those that carry their torch will always come from a wannabe trash heap looking for a short cut to paradise. Any body else have free tickets with “seven virgins” ratings for their trip?

  • Pathfinder

    Need I point out, to those who worry about burning the Koran inciting the Moslems to violence, that the Moslems already are violent. How many Korans had we burned prior to 9/11 ? When a bully has already hit you; at least get the satisfaction of spitting in his eye. And, if possible, kick him in the “nads” as well.

    So, go ahead, burn the Koran. And, don’t stop there. Burn mosques and moslems as well. The war (jihad) has already been declared. Let’s start hitting back hard.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      Well as far as 9/11 goes, I think the question should be how many Torahs and Talmuds did we burn.

  • Mark

    I spit in the face of those that want to protect this koran comic book and its leather binding. I spit in the face of the obama liar and his puppets. I spit in the face of Soros and those that financially support barry soetoro. In the middle east they spit on us, burn our flag, and the Bible, the Word of God, is not allowed. So just why are we allowing this comic book koran in the United States. I say burn, burn them all, and burn their flags, and if it endangers our troops, they should be ready, maybe this would draw out the taliwhackers into the open so that our brave troops could dispose of their cowardly butts. I hope these muslims drown in pig saliva, and anyone that supports them dies a horrendous death. Burn them books preacher.

    • Pathfinder

      Thank you, Mark. At least I won’t be alone when it is time to fight. Hopefully, there will be plenty more like us to fight the Isamofascists when we encounter them here on our own soil.

      • flyguy

        Pathfinder, you are not alone. I and many others are very well prepared to defend what is ours.
        Semper Fi

      • Claire

        Pathfinder–Believe me, you are not alone in your stand against this cult.

      • JeffH

        One positive to burning the Quran book is that one less book will make it into the American classroom.
        Oh, I’m with you all too.

    • Wayne Billings

      I’m with you Mark,this has nothing to do with burning books.This is not a religion it is a movement.It should be outlawed

  • Robert Smith

    Let’s see… Kill the non believers. Sounds kinda familiar to me.

    Anyone up for a good inquisiiton or crusade?

    Let’s see if we can find a basis for them in christian words.

    Some Christian words:

    I am the Lord thy God, … Thou shalt have no other gods before me.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long.Thou shalt not kill.Thou shalt not commit adultery.Thou shalt not steal.Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.<<>>Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house.

    Goes to the issue of stealing. Common sense. But then selfish desire is at the root of capitalism. Oh my… Where is the line drawn?

    Rob

    • Robert Smith

      Again it looks like technology ate a bunch of my post.

      Out of time for now though.

      Rob

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        That is a good thing. Your thoughts are not worth reading.

      • DaveH

        And selfish desire isn’t at the heart of Socialism, Robert?
        I’ll tell you where we draw the line – Voluntary Contracts. Not the Forced Contracts that Liberals want to push on us. If you think the Corporations are getting unfair advantage (they may be), then level the playing field, get the government out of the marketplace, and give the power back to the consumer. In other words, Free Markets.
        I have never been forced to buy a product by any Corporation. The same can’t be said for Big Government.
        And if you think the Corporations are charging too much, you would be free to start your own companies and give away your product. It would be easy since Liberals are so much more intelligent than the rest of us.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Well done DaveH!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            I second that motion!

    • Pathfinder

      Dear Rob : The idea that selfish desire (greed) is the basis for capitalism, is a communist lie. I am sorry that you have fallen for it. Capitaism is no more based on greed than a hearth to heat one’s home is based on arson. Rather, both are based on controling and harnessing an otherwise destructive force and causing it to serve a benign purpose. Just as the stove harnesses the destructive power of fire to cook food and warm the home; so capitalism harnesses the vice of avarice and channels it so that those who best serve their neighbors needs and wants are rewarded with material gain. Thus, we have businesses serving the public, rather than thieves plundering the fruits of their neighbor’s labor.

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        Which is what Communism/Socialism is. Forced Slavery.

    • DaveH

      And Robert, I guess that you are an expert on theft, being a Liberal.
      Let’s see, I have a choice between spending my own money, or having a Liberal spend it for me. Duh, what should I do?
      I am so afraid of all the responsibility it takes to make my own choices. NOT!

      http://mises.org/daily/4125

    • Kate8

      “Selfish desire is a the root of capitalism”.

      So, Bob, you think communism, socialism or fascism is a better idea? Where those at the top have everything, live like kings, take what we’ve worked for and make us all equally poor slaves? Where we are allowed to exist only at the pleasure of government? Where we are utterly without hopes and dreams, and the pursuit of happiness?

      Do people like you even think about what you are saying? Do you really think that government has your best interests as their priority?

      How can freedom exist without the natural human right to succeed (or fail)?

      There were laws put in place against monopolies, in order to prevent the corporatist takeover we see today. It is not capitalism that is to blame, it is the manipulations and machinations of those desiring to remove freedom from humanity who are behind this mess.

  • Kimberly Boldt

    I shout “bravo!” to this pastor who has the guts to take a stand in this country of cowards and pacifists! Our education system AND our churches have succeeded in dumbing down Americans to the point where hardly anyone reads the Bible or the Constitution and documents of the Founding Fathers anymore. This IS this man’s natural right protected by the Constitution to burn the Qur’an and take a political stand.

    This whole idea that somehow this pastor is going to ignite more terrorism by burning a book is completely bogus!

    Did not God say, “thou shall have no other gods before him”? And did he not also say we are not to honor the customs and practices of the heathen nor allow them in our land?”

    I’m getting really tired of “real” Americans being labeled as “extremists”. By your standards, Ben, the Founding Fathers would be labeled extremists today. Or have you forgotten the Boston Tea Party when Sam Adams and friends dumped hundreds of thousands of pounds of tea in the Boston Harbor at a current market value of $3 million dollars as a political protest!? By your standards Jesus Christ himself would be labeled an “extremist”!

    What is wrong with Americans today? Where is the courage of the Founding Fathers? Where’s the courage of Christians in being willing to die for their beliefs? Jesus was no pacifist. He made himself a whip and drove the moneychangers out of the temple while shouting and overturning tables. He pointed out the hypocrisy of the Pharisees and Sadducees. He instructed his disciples to be armed.

    It’s time for the men of this country to “grow a pair” and stand up!

    Freedom of Religion was meant for multi-denominational Christianity. The Founders honored no other gods beside the God of Christianity. They honored no other religions beside Christianity. Read The Federalist No. 2 where John Jay specifically points this out.

    While Christians are being persecuted now in their own country and their natural rights taken away, we now honor heathen religions and their gods? The Founding Fathers are turning in their graves now.

    Shame on you Ben, for your arrogance and your distain for real Americans! I suggest you read the Bible, the Constitution, The Federalist, and the letters of the Founding Fathers.

    It’s time we ALL take a stand, or do we love communism and the Muslim religion so much we’ll succumb to them both?

    • Pathfinder

      Amen, brother. One of the funny things is that we could even “get away with” being tolerant of a number of non-christian faiths; but how are we supposed to tolerate a “religion” which has declared war (jihad) on us ? Jews, Buddists, Hindus, and even Druids live among us in peace. But, none of those beliefs has a doctrine of religious war (jihad) against all others. For this reason, Islam is the one religious system which should not be tolerated. ISLAM DELENDA EST!!

      • DaveH

        You have a good point there, Pathfinder.

    • Viktor Leben

      Kimberly,

      The year now is 2010, not 1776. We have elected a President who has declared in his inauguration, that we are not a christian nation. Today is a different time.

      What you are saying is “Let the Christian minority save the day for the non-Christian majority !!!”

      Why not sit back and let them all destroy themselves ? The American majority that voted Obama in, do they deserve to be saved from Islam ?

  • TIME

    Folks this is a twin edged sword with an edge so sharpe on both sides that its visceral meanings run so deep as to give rise to logic from both sides of the playing field, yet ~ its little more than a “Power Play” for Political gain by way of more “MEDIA PLAY”.
    How much Market Share can one build for thier sides point of view.

    This event is Carthitic to many, yet Bombastic to others.
    Yet we as Americans are rooted in the term “FREEDOM” Thus within that said term there is a vast amount of room.
    Such as with “Real and True Freedom” {one must allow for all events no matter what level of inward or outward feelings one may have about said event.}

    Thus we are bound by the very meaning of the word “FREEDOM” to allow our selfs to be offended by others acts, no matter how the level of expression may effect us.

    Thus the very “preversion” of the word FREEDOM begins by allowing one group to opress or otherwise hold down the other group. (MANS LAWS)

    Thus all feeling of respect are then lost within the haze of both hate as well Rhetoric, the end results are the preversions of others feelings as well their rights being sullied.

    We see this clearly from the point of those that feel that a Cult such as Islam is allowed to build a place that’s alledged to be based in PEACE, such as the “Cordoba Center” on nearly the very sight of where almost 3000 Americans were killed on 9/11 2010 by “Extree Cult Based Zealots” who don’t believe in any forms of “FREEDOM” that is other than what a small band of what ever tribe is in power at the moment.
    And please do keep in mind they will kill each other at the drop of a hat.

    But be that as it may, its the double standards that have been fostered by our “POLITICAL Cults” from the very onset of all “Political Cults.” “MANS LAWS” to Repress others.

    The very reason our two partys can’t seem to produce logical and or rational policy’s.
    They feel that to impliment laws based on the “lowest common denominator” also known as LCD; makes the laws of the land a level playing field.
    When in fact its really quite the opposite effect that will happen.
    And thats LOGICAL to anyone who has gray matter or understands the word, “FREEDOM.”

    Democrats want to control your lifes by lies and out right deceit and force if needed. All the while telling you its for “your own good,” and it aids others who have less, that are not willing to do anything but sit back and let someone else do the work.

    Republicans want to do the same thing but do it with more sugar on it rather than RAM it up your backsides with a pole and tell you its ok because they said so like the Democrats method of role model.

    Thus we come back to the word “FREEDOM” This is a strong word with vast meaning. But only when its applied by the RULING party of the moment.
    So its meaning can change within a split second, thats with out the aid of Cults or the bent logic of what the Media spin as well outright supports at the moment, thats only for what ever level of Ratings they are looking for to “grow their Market Shares.”
    In plain words the media could care less what the effects are as long as they get their MONEY! The Media is Da HO’ for bucks.

    So whats the end result, Frustration to anyone whos not within the frame work of when the ruling powers allow the ” Lowest Common Denominators” to always have the most visible and protected outcome.

    Thats whats called creating a problem so one can then create a fix to said problems to make the ruling powers look good.
    Well after a while this behavior breaks the back of either one side or the other.

    So When that happens events such as what we see in the HO’ media unfold daily as the highlites of the moment are most visible such as these very event’s.

    Do I feel either side is right? ( No,) thus there should not be a CORDOBA Center, as well the burning of a book, be it no better than that of what a CULT, are both 100% wrong, as they both impinge each others FREEDOM on a equaly footing.

    If we as a nation would hire Advocates to do their jobs with out all the “self serving rhetoric” both of these issues would be non issues.

    Can I make it any more clear.
    {Do to others as YOU wish DONE to you.}

    • Warrior

      Agreed, but airtime must be filled with something between Lindsey Lohan updates.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      OK, You’re correct when identify The Hegelian dialetic, Problem – Reaction -Solution, but as a tacit response to all that you’ve said:
      If there’s anyone thats gonna wield a double edge sword I would prefer it to be the Americans.

  • Richard

    Had a missionary to Egypt in our church last week. I was surprised to hear that in Egypt where under 0.5% of the population is Christian that whenever the believers organize to buy land and build a Christian church (place of worship) the government always buys up the adjoining property and builds a mosque. It was antagonizing to hear that the mosques loud speakers are then aimed at the church and the Koran is read (literally shouted)in an attempt to disrupt services. Prayers are 5 times a day starting at 5:00AM with the last at 10:00PM so you can only imagine how disruptive this becomes. Government sponsored religion…. and yet we are the ones viewed as intolerant?

    • 45caliber

      Wait until the mosque is built. Then they will block the traffic to the 911 site so their prayers of thanksgiving can be heard five times a day.

      • Viktor Leben

        45Caliber,

        It seems the people opposed to this Coroba community center won’t tolerate the constant noise !?? Or will they ? I have a hunch mass rioting may break out in NYC if this happens. Or am I being optimistic ?

        Prez Obama is right, we are not a christian nation, and the mosque probably will be built.

        I read on the internet Pastor Jones struck a deal with the moslems. If they call off building the mosque on/near ground zero Pastor Jones will not burn the Koran …

        Just a bunch of hype. To get us to stick our necks out for rest of the Americans who (the majority) who voted Obama into office.

        All you peole who voted Obama into office, I’m not going to die for you ! It’s my life ! If you want to live then defend yourselves! I’m not going to defend you liberals anymore !!!

        Pastor Jones — BURN THEM KORANS !

        Did all you people notice Hilary Clinton when she commented on this topic ? SHE WAS AT A CFR MEETING !!!

  • dan

    I appreciate that…but when do we,in good faith,defend the innocent from the sword of the unrighteous? I’d just as soon the Creator settle
    this little fracus…but I’m willing to let the Holy Spirit lead the
    way.Love thy enemy but first disarm/neutralize his ability to do harm…
    and if that means isolate him in the dessert/sand box,round them up and give them ALL a big time-out!

    • Pathfinder

      Kill them all. Let God sort them out.

  • del

    No one would even care if Jones was planning to burn any other book. Are we allowing fear of retaliation from these violent extremists to influence our thinking on this? Believe it or not, the extremists are in control. They are dictating what we can and can not do in our own country. They are using the threat of violence to get what they want. Before they said the “Ground Zero Mosque” would build bridges between religious groups. On the news this morning they’re saying it could provoke violence if we do not allow it’s construction.

    • Pathfinder

      There is one very good reason to remove all of our troops from the middle east. We do not want to expose our troops to the blast and radiation when our nukes land. Both Mecca and Medina should glow in the dark at night. We should feel free to add more targets to the list as suits us. It is time to wipe all Islam from the face of the earth.

    • Claire

      del–I will tell you this–I am not afraid of any islam/muslim. Just let them “try” anything with me concerning my family, my home and America. I will not put up with any crap from them. Let them come, I’m ready. My entire family is ready. I will not tolerate any backlash from this cult.

      • JeffH

        Claire, as you’ve stated many times before, with your line of work comes a complete understanding of the Muslim mindset as dictated by the Quran…I’m with you.

        • Claire

          JeffH–I kid you not–the stuff I have edited regarding textbooks on terrorism is enough to make a person’s hair curl. They are an abomination. Sorry, but this is how I feel. And I will never think or believe otherwise. The cruelty is beyond belief.

          • Jeff

            Claire, you have no reason to be apologetic.

          • Claire

            Jeff–Thanks!

  • Bruce D.

    Just as building the Mosque on ground Zero is not smart either is burning the Koran. Both have the right to do but both are creating anger and animosity by doing it. It takes a lot of guts to burn the Koran in a public forum. You put your life at risk. I give him credit for that if he feels that strongly about it. Many Muslims think nothing about killing for God. Many are dissatisfied with their life and killing for God is a sure way for them to get to heaven in their own mind. Maybe sometime down the road we will be so afraid of Muslims killing for God that we will allow them to dictate our personal liberty. Isn’t that what they are trying to accomplish?

    • Pathfinder

      NO!!! They have no right to build any mosque anywhere on American soil. Not only should this “Cordoba House” not be built; ut all mosques on American soil should be destroyed. There should be only as many mosques here as there are synogogues in Mecca.

      • Bruce D.

        That is an odd thing to say. It must be an emotional belief or a religious belief. It certainly isn’t a legal opinion.

      • eddie47d

        Looks like Pastor Terry has set us all up. A few of you have fallen all over him like he is Christ himself. He went to the media so he is the one looking for attention.He wants a firestorm and some of you are willing to give it to him. Shades of Nazism for sure. Does this pastor of a small church represent 300 million Americans? We’ll see!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          edduhh47DUHHs!
          both have the right to do what they wish. but you say it is wrong to burn the koran as it will offend the muslims, but it is not wrong for them to build the mosque because it will offend the Christians AND many of the families of 9/11. By your train of thought(or lack of it) we should be aware of their feelings, but they shouldn’t be aware of ours. One question. WHY??!?!?!?

          • JeffH

            Joe H., you know darn well a “rock” can’t think, let alone somewhat normally.

          • eddie47d

            Joe H and Jeff; We can all play the nasty name game so bring it on. I stated over a week ago that they could legally build the Mosque but would be better to move it somewhere else. Maybe you 2 should think instead of acting like that Rock.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Because we are vastly more civilized than the muslim cretins. They’re stuck on the first limb of the evolutionry tree.

        • Viktor Leben

          Eddie

          If we are no longer a Christian Nation then we better take every advantage we can get to survive !

          No more Mr. Nice Guy !!!

          Let the liberals fight the wars in the Middle East .. We have to conserve our Christian children, so they can reproduce and outnumber those who voted for Obama !!

          I remember on the Michael Moore movie – Fahrenheit 9/11 – when he had a Marine recruiter asking a Congressman to sign up his children – to fight in Iraq !!! You should have seen the look on the COngressman’s face !!!!

          Face it everyone. We are no longer a christian nation. Tolerance will not be forthcoming from the majority. The Christians were the founders ! The only good thing CHrisitians are for is cannon fodder in the US military to fight the Power Elite’s wars ….

          • eddie47d

            Then stop supporting these wars.

          • coal miner

            eddie47d,

            Joeh and Jeffh think?Their brains are located south of the belt line,front or backwards,take your pick.HA HA HA

          • http://?? Joe H.

            coal dunger,
            If that’s true then get your nose out of the back of my brain!!!! HaHaHa!!

    • 45caliber

      Bruce:
      Yes, they are. The problem is that our traditions and laws favor them building there. And they believe, like many people in other countries, that the US is wimpy and Americans NEVER follow through. Further, the ONLY way they can be guanteed a place in heaven is by killing infadels.

      What is really sad is that this entire concept was NOT taught by Mohammed. It was taught by his nephew after the rest of the Muslem world kicked him out. He also came up with Paradise. He was the original creator of the assassins. He tried to control that entire region (Turkey and south) by killing the leaders and threatening their heirs. If any of his assassins were killed, they were promised Paradise, liquor, and all the women they could want.

      Somehow I believe that a number of those he promised were waiting for him when he died.

      • Kate8

        45, Mohammad’s armies killed plenty of people who didn’t want to embrace his new religion.

        In any case, there have been numerous times Christians have been denied permits to build churches in certain areas in America (in recent times) because for whatever reason they were not wanted there. It has happened in the area where I live.

        Don’t forget, the Orthodox Church which stood there at Ground Zero and was destroyed on 9/11 has been denied the right to rebuild since it happened.

        But Islam gets special privilege, and we’re told they have the right to insult us. Over and over this government makes it clear that Americans are no longer heard in America.

  • Angel Wannabe

    I get the melting pot in America, and if you call yourself an American, then our rules and regulations, Constitutions and Bill of Rights apply to all!_On one hand, Our kids aren’t allowed to pray in school anymore, school children on a day trip, are told to be quiet while singing a patriotic song at a National Memorial!__A kid with flags on his truck is told by school security to remove the flags.__
    On the other hand, Areas of cities across America, have been cordoned off, for street praying for Muslims, that’s OK with the authorities though?!. We have Imam’s insistence on building this Mosque on the foothill of 9/11.(Constitutional yes, is it right, not on your life!) I believe this to be a direct contemptible act against the people who lost loved there.__Question is, Why the absolute instance, of a mosque on this site?__And Why Imams unwillingness to move it?__He states there is a Mosque just 10 blocks away from this proposed site,(so get a cab and go ten blocks down) he also stated in the past, that America instigated the 9/11 attack, really?__ and now warns of dire consequences,if the Mosque is not built on the purposed site __I WOULD ASSUME, In retaliation of the Mosque, we have a Minister threatening to burn the Koran. Question here is, is this possible Koran burning a reality, or is the Obama media, trying to take the heat off the Messiah, with another diversion. Imam said, Dire consequences if this Mosque isn’t built. Was that a threat, or a temper tantrum to get his own way?___ANYONE??

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      Threat.

      • Claire

        Threat?? I agree.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Most definately a THREAT!!!

        • http://naver samurai

          100% threat! If you come here to fight, come my way. Me and my M-16 are waiting for you. FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Conservative at Birth and Claire, I don’t condone either action, but I don’t think we should be allowed to be threatened either.

      • Claire

        Iman no doubt is a threat. And I will not be threatened. Let him “back up” what he says–he’ll find out in a hurry how many Americans will not put up with his garbage. He will be in for a rude awakening.

        • 45caliber

          Claire!

          How can you say that! Everyone KNOWS that Americans are wimps and will back down from any threat! Just look at Iraq … well, maybe Afghanistan … ah, Iran? We NEVER back up any threat and are always willing to play safe. At least the libs do and they are the ones who run everything here. Right?

          • Claire

            45caliber– I never “ran” from anything. I am my Mother’s daughter. She always took the “bull by the horns” and met any obstacle head-on. She taught me to stand up for myself and to have confidence and not to be ashamed that we were poor. I remember being “picked on” when I was kid-because we were so poor. Other kids picked on me and my sisters at school. We had bullies way back then! I ran across my old report cards years ago–I weighed 40 pounds in the 5th grade! But I can honestly tell you I stood up for myself. I am proud of myself when I look back at those years. They didn’t call me “the scrapper” for nothing. I didn’t allow anyone to push me around. My Mother said I was as good as anyone else and I sure believed her!
            Seriously we have become weak in many ways and this has to stop. Now. I won’t go looking for trouble, but if it comes to me then it is a different story. I will do what I have to do for my freedom and equality.

          • Claire

            45caliber–I got on a tangent. I will answer your question. Yes, any time we have “gone” to war we should have cleaned house the moment we got there. This pussyfooting around has done nothing but prolong a miserable situation and the unnecessary loss of American lives. Sure, I should have compassion for other cultures, people, etc. but when it comes to America and all Americans, I say America and her people come first!! Always. Look at World War II—we did what we had to do and when Pearl Harbor was attacked, we did what we had to do. And by golly, the war ended. I think you understand what I am saying here.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Claire, You preach it Girl, I’m right there with ya!!!

          • Kate8

            Claire, how about running for office? We could use some people who know what they stand for, and won’t back down.

            It seems that the only people we get in office are those who are willing to sell their souls to get votes.

            BTW, I agree with you. Americans should come first. Whatever happened to the idea that when you move to a new land, you respect and honor the ways of that land? It’s like someone coming into your house and demanding that you change everything to suit them, and then demand that you move into the shed. Until they’re ready to use that, too.

            Islam should have no place in America. Sorry, but any culture which is diametrically opposed to everything on which our nation was founded, should have no place here. There was a time, before LBJ, that only cultures compatible with our American culture was allowed to immigrate here. Allowing them here had only one intent, and that was to degrade our own culture and break our American spirit.

          • Claire

            Kate8— LMAO!! I have to laugh, I am too old now I think to run for an office. Besides, I am not devious enough. And I do not have the “power.” I have to admit there has been a time or two I wish I would have gotten into politics. I could have raised some hell. But no one would vote for me! I would like for my son to run but he isn’t devious enough either.
            We do need people that have a backbone and will stand up for what they believe in and not sell their souls.
            And I have to say I wish there were no islams/muslims in this country. I wish a lot of things were different. It is up to all Americans to stand up and be counted. Literally.

          • Claire

            I re-read my own post—my Mother’s daughter—I know she is with God and in a better place but I cannot help but wish she was still here.

      • JeffH

        Angel Wannabe, amen to that.

        • Angel Wannabe

          JEFFH, What really p*sses me off is, that these Islamic suckers become Americans, and then use our Constitution, against us!

          • Jeff

            As the great Don King says; “only in America”…only in America does anyone have the right to slam this country and it’s citizens and recieve equal protection.

          • Jeep

            So, Jeff, if they succeed in bringing down America, I guess they’ll have to find someplace else to get the benefits of freedom, and hate it too? Isn’t there some psychological disorder to explain that? lol

    • tg7357

      don’t blame the Muslims for all that you were writing about: blame your government. The Muslims were just smart enough to use American law to their own benefit.
      Burning Korans and mosques isn’t the way to fight growing Islamic influence in America: changing the laws is. If your government won’t listen, then DUMP it and start over. Its coming down to that anyway.

      • Claire

        The administrations- past and present, have never stopped the islams/muslims from infiltrating America. Our border security did not do their jobs. Now we have another issue to deal with.

        • libertytrain

          Claire – sometimes I really have to almost question whether there really is some sort of plot going on beneath the surface or was government just even more inept than any of us ever realized for so very long…

          • Claire

            libertytrain–Probably a plot. I keep thinking of the NWO. Both parties are involved in the NWO-in the past and currently. LIberals and Republicans alike.

          • libertytrain

            perhaps… In weeks to come I’m going to do a little more exploring on my own with regards to these things. I do wish you and I could have a nice cup of tea or perhaps a strong cocktail :) and discuss all these things face to face -

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, ineptness for sure. NWO for sure. I do believe that ineptness does play an equal role in all of it. I certainly trust Claire’s experiences regarding the Muslims.

          • DaveH

            No plot, Liberty. It is the nature of people to feather their own nest. The politicians are just doing that. Jefferson knew the tendency of Government to grow out of control. He tried to warn us, but we slept.
            I have noticed throughout my life the tendency for the most screwed-up people to push their screwed-up ideas on other people. I think it gives them comfort in their own tortured minds if they can get other people to agree. Those are the people, I think, that are attracted to political positions.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–Me too. I will let you know my dog show schedule–maybe the week before Christmas at the Rosemont in Chicago?

          • libertytrain

            Claire – I’m just going to have to email you someday :) I don’t know about being up in Chi-town at that time of year but will be passing your area this weekend for another visit with dad.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–I will be home this weekend–here in Springfield. Other people have posted their email addresses on this site. I guess I can do the same. I’ll work something out.

          • libertytrain

            CLAIRE – DO NOT POST YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS – for your own safety and well-being.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–I won’t. After I posted and hit “submit” I thought I can’t post my email address! Like I said, I will figure something out.

        • tg7357

          You are absolutely right: since 1972 the American government has first-hand knowledge of the danger of fundamentalist Islamic terrorists, but did nothing. They did nothing but play politics when the hostages were taken in Iran, and did almost nothing during the first World Trade Center bombing. It took passenger jets flying into the Twin Towers for the government to finally scratch its collective head and say ‘Wow! Those guys don’t like us!” Now the problem is, its probably too late. The Feds have NO IDEA who is in this counrty, why they are here, and what they are going to do. The fundamentalists have had nearly 40 years to infiltrate every state, every city and every level of the government and military. Even if we stand up today as a nation, we are probably going to be fighting a loosing battle. The terrorists aren’t coming to AMerica: they are already here and they are better prepared for a crusade than we are, thanks to our dumb-a$$ government and our own complacency.

          • Claire

            tg7357–And you are correct with every word you say. This infiltration has been going on for years and the government did nothing to stop it. Yes, “they” are already here and no doubt in place for the ultimate takeover? There are numerous groups all over the US that play their war games out in the country, they are gearing up for something. I despise thinking this way, I probably sound like a radical but too much has happened over the course of many years and I have become very suspicious.

          • Cribster

            Islamberg, NY

            http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510218,00.html

            I’m sure there are many more similar enclaves throughout America.

          • 45caliber

            tg:
            When you said the government was scratching its head and saying, “Those people don’t like us!” you missed the second sentence.

            They add: “We must have done something to make them mad at us so let’s appologize to them and give them some money.”

          • http://?? Joe H.

            tg7357,
            It may be a losing battle, but if you remember your history, we are at our best, militarily, when we are fighting a losing battle!! Americans don’t know the meaning of losing battle. Even VietNam, even though we left, we won every major battle we were in over there and even though we took casulties, we inflicted far more on our enemy!

        • Kate8

          Claire, It was in the ’70s when I first noticed that all the motels and mini-marts were being taken over by Muslims. All of a sudden, they seemed to be everywhere. Prior to that, you never saw them.

          It was LBJ who signed the document opening up America to the Third World.

          • Claire

            Kate8–I remember about 10 years ago, we went to Wisconsin for a dog show–had to stay overnight of course. The motel we checked into was decent-looking from the street plus the fact it was close to the dog show site. Went to the front desk, paid for a room, and I could tell right then and there that the people were muslims. He wore a turban and she was covered up like an eskimo and it was summer. Plus the pictures on the wall were a dead giveaway. Anyway, we parked, unlocked the room, it was shabby looking, and then I looked in the bathroom. There was standing water on the floor. Needless to say, we walked out of that room, went to the front desk and asked for our money back. They would not give it to us. My husband was pissed and he told them we would not stay in that room let alone take our dogs in. They told us they would call the police if we did not leave. So we left and went to another place. We learned a bitter lesson that night. From then on we stayed at a Comfort Inn, Red Roof Inn, Holiday Inn, etc. whenever we traveled.
            Muslims do own a lot of businesses. It is scary. The handwriting is on the wall as so to speak.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – I hate to disappoint you but most of those people taking over the gas stations and mini marts were and are not Muslims. They’re Hindu.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      It was more than a threat…
      It was an ultimatum…

    • 45caliber

      Angel:

      They want a mosque at this site because they ALWAYS build a mosque at the site of any victory against the infadels. And, to them, this is a victory over the mighty US.

      • Angel Wannabe

        MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY 45!

        • Kate8

          The Muslims, themselves, told us that the Cordoba site is a symbol of victory for Islam over America.

          And then we are told that we are bigots and intolerant when we object!

          I am absolutely sick of the lying, conniving, twisting, and denigrating of the American people being put forth by this government, and especially this administration.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, unfortunately we’re at a point in our history where we have to fight the Marxist/socialist/communist/liberal progressives as well as the muslim extremists with the pen and the sword just to keep our noses above water and maintain a little dignity. I just thank God for all of you fellow patriots.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – Can you show us where they said that? I don’t believe it. I also cannot believe that you would treat a Muslim child as less than an animal either.

    • Viktor Leben

      The Constitution is dead. The voters killed it. The Federal oligarchy/plutocracy now rules …..

      Please wake up everybody. It’s dead and ain’t coming back ….

  • FreedomFighter

    “If you burn books, you’re just an idiot — nothing more. If you’re concerned about idiots, look for the smoke, then walk the other way.”

    In America, idiots on all sides can make vulgar smoke signals, its called free speech.

    You dont have to like it, just recognize it for what it is, whatever it is.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Kate8

      I do not think Islam is worthy of our respect in America.

      Perhaps burning the Koran, for these people, is a symbol of OUR victory of Islam, just as their mosque is a symbol of victory over us.

      Personally, I think they need to be rooted out. At the very least, they should be given no special privilege. They cannot be allowed to gain power in America. Pandering to them is suicidal. To deny their own stated goal of Sharia is beyond stupid.

  • George

    We enjoy “Freedom of Speech”. Let these people so exercise freedom. However, the best thing we could do is ignore them. The more attention they get, the more it will inflate the egos involved with the act and in a way, lends credibility to the book burning cause.

    It also gives credibility to the terrorists we are fighting to consider them members of a religous group by any name. Yes, they claim a religion, but that is secondary. They are primarily barbarians and criminals who are determined to destroy western civilization by any means neccesary. How does Taliban obtain financial resources for arms? Is it not in part through drug traffic? We need to recognize and call them what they really are?

    • Viktor Leben

      George,

      They get money via OIL and OPIUM !! DOn’t forget that !

      • George

        Viktor,

        Good point! That was what I was pointing out. The drug issue is also proof that they are criminals/barbarians. The conflict or was is not only with us, but all of western civilization. It is not a religous conquest. That is a masquerade to provide legitimacy.The more this is understood, the better.

        George

  • Carey

    At least some Faith is taking a stand against the Muslims. Muslim idealogy is that you are either a Muslim, an infidel or apostate. Muslims at every level beleive theirs is the only true faith and it is their duty to propagate it. Infidels are only recognized to the degree they can be used. Apostates are people who have broken from the Muslim Faith and they are to be executed.

    The current Christian Churches keep denying this if by no other means than their constant turning of the other cheek attempts to differentiate Muslims into good and bad categories. Yes some Muslims appear to be peaceful – but they too laud the victories of the true like the 9/11 attacks albiet more privately.

    It takes no genius to see that Muslims are taking over western societies simply by out breeding Christians. And Christains are paying for this through lax immigration policies, and welfare programs.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Carey,
      there is one big problem with turning the other cheek. We only have four of them!!! sooner or later we have to stop!!

      • Kate8

        Joe H., I agree. I don’t think the intent of turning the other cheek was ever meant to extend to submitting to slavery under evil. Islam is just as evil as the globalists who use it to incite chaos and violence.

        We must never submit to ANYONE.

        • JeffH

          Kate8, submit? Not in my vocabulary! I’m well prepared to protect my turf and my neighbors turf if need be. I spent 2 hours at the range yesterday knocking down targets with my Sig and my upgraded Ar-15. I already know how my shotgun”s” perform…par excellance.

  • bill b

    Burn baby burn. When am I gonna get my turn?,,, Dont forget the koran was written by a pedophile.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Lois

    I received an email in regard to the mosque. If someone would put some pigs on the site of the proposed mosque or bury a pig on any site of planned mosques, the muslims would refuse to build on that plot. Very simple plan.

    • Claire

      I am not trying to be funny but I hate the thought of slaughtering pigs, but we do what we have to do. It is just that I have more respect for animals.

      • Kate8

        Claire, i hate the thought of killing any animals. I did some work once with some friends who owned a slaugherhouse, and it was the most heart-rending thing I’ve ever experienced. I never got over it.

        I any case, since there are people who want their bacon, we could just take one of the pigs that are killed for the meat. LOL.

        I always thought the pig idea was a really good one. I don’t understand why we can’t use it. It is so simple!

        BTW, years ago we did some business with some Muslim vendors who came to our house. We had 2 cats and a dog, and they were horrified! They insisted that we put them outside, as they can’t be defiled by animals. A friend’s little dog jumped into one Muslim guy’s lap and he had to either wash his clothing immediately or burn them! I guess he had to burn them.

        • Claire

          Kate8–I have more compassion for animals than I do muslims. Yes, slaughterhouses are horrible. That would be something I couldn’t handle.

      • Karolyn

        Claire – Would you seriously say that to a Muslim mother with children in tow?

        • Claire

          Karolyn– A muslim mother with children in tow? She made that choice, I didn’t. She chooses to lead the muslim life, but I do not have to participate. She chose to come to America. As an American citizen, if she were single and in dire straits, no doubt she would receive welfare for her children and herself. Even though we have muslims here in the USA that are American citizens, what IF the USA was attacked by a muslim country, which country would she or any muslim support? The USA or her own country? It is a debatable situation. If I KNEW in my heart and mind she would stand by America, I would not have a problem in supporting her and her children. I have too many suspicions. The world is such that I have become wary of a lot of issues/situations. I am a firm believer in the fact we should have closed our borders years ago. Now we have all kinds of terrorists/illegals of all nationalities right here in America. What will be done about them?
          I still hold to my thought that I have more compassion for animals (animals are at the mercy of the human race) than I do for the muslims/islams that conduct their acts of cruelty. And yes, I would say this to a muslim mother with children in tow IF I knew she supported the muslim faith and their methods of cruelty while being an American citizen. If she believes in this cruelty, and does not faithfully support America, she has no right to be here. She should go back to her own muslim country. Keep in mind she would raise her children to believe the same things she believes in.

          • Claire

            Karolyn–I wish to add that I never say anything disparaging to someone unless they say it to me first.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Claire,
            I agree with you about animals. I never met a devious dog or cat!!! Never met either that would “shake” with one paw and stab you in the back with the other!! We have a dog and cat and both are very loyal animals. Matter of fact, both are sleeping by my feet as I type–the ONLY time they get along so well!!

    • 45caliber

      I’m quite sure that they would have some “cleansing” ceremony that would allow them to build anyway – unfortunately.

      I just heard that the imam is now saying that he needs to build the mosque there to keep terrorists from attacking us and recruiting new people in the Mid-East. “They would get upset if the Americans forced the mosque to move.”

      • Angel Wannabe

        45, Fox news, Rush and Beck are all on that today!

      • Warrior

        Why recruit in the middle east when there are plenty of lost souls here to recruit?

      • http://www.youtube.com/CanadaLarry Lawrence Edward Calcutt

        @ 45 Caliber
        I will take a great leap of faith and assume you have not heard of or read the newer version of the Quran that was writtem about 300 years after Mohammed had the Quran written down. This newer version was not what Mohammed would have liked or agreed with.
        Its purpuse was to map out the rules to be used to counqure the entire world for the Muslim faith.

        There was a 10 minute video on a website called 12160.org that linked to the Youtube.com website for only a few hours last week before it was taken down by YT, and has not been available again. It told all about the new version of the Quram and was called something like. “Three Secrets they Don’t Want You to Know about the Quran”.
        I watched it twice and can if necessary tell you all about it. If anyone cares to ask.

  • Les Moore

    Due respect, but, shades of Hillary,what are you thinking? Have you been bent by the spin doctors? This is a book burning, not a book banning. As a pastor I have held many such bonfires. I have burnt tons of pornography and occult materials as a public statement on their eroding effect on a failing society and as an act of spiritual warfare. I am not persuaded by the General’s support of his Mack Daddy nor am I concerned for the general’s political career with the left. He is worried that sending our troops to protect oil and drugs in the midst of people trying to kill them could turn bad if you insult their book? They might stop stoning rape victims, hanging homo’s and beheading missionaries to focus on the troops? I don’t bow to anything coming out of this bunch of betrayers.
    I didn’t jump to any position on this without first praying and listening to the issues, as I would encourage others to do also. You can tell what a man is full of by what spills over when you shake him up. In America Christianity has been under assault by the government for decades: pastors jailed, churches closed, special ordinances and laws etc. There are bible burnings (flags and founding documents too) daily. Islam is not valid as a religion. It is a philosophy of hate, oppression and murder which supports a culture of war. This is NOT a clash of cultures, a political conflict or any sensible battle; we are at WAR with a damning cult and this sort of moment brings them out of their hole to define what we are really dealing with.
    To question and discuss this burning is reasonable, to denigrate and mock these Americans is quite another. An apology would be in order here – thank you.

    • Viktor Leben

      General Petraeus, and the military, are between a rock and a hard place. They are being sent into harms and ordered to give quarter in combat to the enemy.

      I can’t say anything bad about them. Damn American voters put Obama into office ! Damn American majority put our military into this no win scenario !!!

    • Kate8

      Amen, Les.

  • Richard Mason

    Thank you Ben,
    I’ve been scratching for the right message to my liberal friends and family regarding the boys and girls campfire program down in the gator state and you did what I was struggling to do. Can you message be shared via e-mail appropriate authorship noted?

  • Jonathan

    Hitler’s people burned a great many books. They weren’t too bright either.

  • 45caliber

    I don’t care if he burns the Qoran personally. But I expect the terrorists to burn an equal or greater number of Bibles in retaliation – while the owners still hold them. I think the whole point of this exercise is to see if there are any others out there with the right frame of mind to join his church.

    • Soldier

      Remember kids, terrorists can’t survive without your tax dollars funding the CIA. Do you actually believe that crap holes like Afghanistan are capable of having AK-47 factories and the necessary industry to support max production of grenade launchers and the training of terrorists. Don’t be thrown off simply because American dollars are used to buy Russian weapons….

      • 45caliber

        They can and do make the AK’s but I agree on the rest. You evidently haven’t seen what an Afghan can do with a piece of metal and a file!

  • Disabled Veteran Brian

    Terry Jones is an anus trying to pass a whale, in hopes of getting people to watch and applaud.My concern is for the troops that face America’s enemies and not for the stupidity of Mr. Jones. Now, if he were to sit in the middle of the bonfire…..

  • JeffH

    This just in: Obama: Call off Quran burning

    President Barack Obama is exhorting a Florida minister to “listen to those better angels” and call off his plan to engage in a Quran-burning protest this weekend.

    Obama told ABC’s “Good Morning America” in an interview aired Thursday that he hopes the Rev. Terry Jones of Florida listens to the pleas of people who have asked him to call off the plan. The president called it a “stunt.”

    “If he’s listening, I hope he understands that what he’s proposing to do is completely contrary to our values as Americans,” Obama said. “That this country has been built on the notion of freedom and religious tolerance.”

    “And as a very practical matter, I just want him to understand that this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women who are in uniform,” the president added.

    Now I have to agree somewhat with Obama…he certainly is a master at pulling a “stunt”. Obama’s a hypocrit plain and simple.

    • tg7357

      good point.

    • eddie47d

      Jeff You don’t support the burning of the Koran and either does Obama.So why the flippant remarks?Maybe you are what you call Obama.

    • Viktor Leben

      Odd Prez Obama would talk about religous toleration …

    • Kate8

      Once again, JeffH, Obama is sticking his nose into the American people’s business. Why does he have ANYTHING to say about this?

      I really don’t like the way he makes a habit of inserting himself into every issue that comes up involving private parties. Especially when he can use it for political purposes to advance his agenda.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, isn’t it ironic that he wouldn’t dare say the “ground zero” mosque wasn’t a good idea and it might cause some problems in NY?

        This toad shows us once more just how much he respects Americans. NOT!

      • Karolyn

        Kate – Does his nose not belong in “our” business. Should he not answer questions he’s asked? If he didn’t, then everybody would be raving about him dodging issues.

  • tg7357

    Claire says:
    September 9, 2010 at 12:16 pm
    tg7357–And you are correct with every word you say. This infiltration has been going on for years and the government did nothing to stop it. Yes, “they” are already here and no doubt in place for the ultimate takeover? There are numerous groups all over the US that play their war games out in the country, they are gearing up for something. I despise thinking this way, I probably sound like a radical but too much has happened over the course of many years and I have become very suspicious.
    “““ To me, this book burning coming so soon on the heels of the big uproar over the mosque at Ground Zero smells more and more like a smoke-screen all the time. We all know our Federal government is NOT our friend (although they seem to be buddies with everyone else in the world) and I wouldn’t put it past them to be orchestrating the behind-the-scenes stuff that might very wll turn into that “Reichstag Moment” after all.

    • Claire

      tg7357–This is sad but I do not trust the government. I have not trusted any of them for years but I keep on hoping and praying.

      • Kate8

        Claire, government can NEVER be trusted. That is why is is so important that the People remain ever vigilant.

        Too many people apparently DID trust the government, and look where it’s gotten us.

        • Claire

          Kate8—Exactly–like you said–look where it has gotten us.

  • jake

    i fully support both the burning of the Qur’an and the building of the mosque. to not do so is unconstitutional. yes its wrong that the Qur’an is being burned, but it is a form of free speech.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      jake,
      It is also wrong to build the mosque in that spot, as well!

  • Jeff

    Ann Coulter has it about right.

    Weirdly, conservatives who opposed building the mosque at Ground Zero are also against the Quran burning.

    Liberals couldn’t care less about the First Amendment. To the contrary, censoring speech and religion is the left’s specialty!

    Gen. Petraeus objected to the Quran-burning protest on the grounds that it could be used by radical jihadists to recruit Muslims to attack Americans. And yet, somehow, Osama bin Laden had no trouble recruiting muslims to kill the American “infidels”.

    The reason not to burn Qurans is that it’s unkind – not to jihadists, but to Muslims who mean us no harm. The same goes for building a mosque at Ground Zero – It’s unkind to the victims and their fanilies and in both cases, it’s not a question of anyone’s “rights,” it’s just a nasty thing to do.

  • Soldier

    I may be in the minority in this crazy world of ours, but I believe that when a man kills another man it is the killing man’s fault. Not the fault of the parents, not the fault of God, religion, government, burned Korans, or any other nonsence. Blaming Mr. Jones for the deaths of our soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan is like blaming the slutty-dressed teenage female for being brutally ravaged and raped over and over again by a depraved lunatic. The teenager is stupid, no doubt. But stupidity doesn’t warrant rape as punishment.

    I beleive that Mr. Jones is stupid for burning the Korans. Hell, if anything, his actions will only inspire the Koran printing presses (assumming they even exist in such middle age era tech places like Afghanistan). However, I also believe Jones has a right to burn Korans provided those books were freely given to him and/or he purchased them and didn’t steal them. Just like flag burning. I beem with pride when someone burns the American flag, because only in America, in the land of the free, can you do something like this without being hanged and executed. I beam with pride as I watch anti-war demonstrators, realizing that such actions in China may get you crushed by a tank – litterally.

    We are free!!!!! We are also free to ignore this fool! However, he is free to be a fool.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      Well said !!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      soldier,
      I will understand they have a right to burn it as long as they understand my rage as someone that has fought for that flag, and that I may plant a number ten right up their sphincter muscle!!! I have and will do so again!!! They are trying to incite and I will oblige!!!
      I stand and remove my head gear when Old Glory goes by and I stand with my hand over my heart when they play the Anthem. Always have and always will!!!

  • astroptika

    Whata ya say we just bomb the mosque in Jerusalem and end this nonsense once and for all. If they “love to die” as Osama bin Ladin says then lets oblige them. They want a holy war we’ll give it to them. Just nuke the BASTARDS. After all Iran is building another nuke facility. What makes you think they won’t develop a nuke and use it? They would just as soon bomb Israel and the U.S.A as build a mosque at ground zero!!! It’s time to get rid of Obama and his socialist and communist cronies. He has committed TREASON against the Constitution of the United States but supporting islamic terrorists in thought and deed and should be tried and convicted in the Senate. Witness the paid for trip of the Imamn to the middle east. If Americans don’t stand up pretty soon there won’t be an America. We will be the Caliphate of America.

    • Soldier

      What makes you really beleive Iran has nukes? Have you personally been over there to verify, or do you believe your government blindly?

      There was an article awhile back about how Obama needed a war with Iran to help with his sinking popularity…

      Just remember – war is waged by those with everything to gain and nothing to lose and fought by those with everything to lose and not much to gain if you want to consider combat medals a “win” (most real soldiers wouldn’t).

      Politicans love war. Food for thought.

      • 45caliber

        The Dems have used war as a way to hide the economy (or build it up by ‘exporting’ war materials) since before FDR. Why should they change now? Clinton even tried it to hide his affairs!

        • Claire

          I always heard wars were created for the economy–I heard this when I was a kid.

        • Karolyn

          Oh, yeah, it was just the Dems. Please. What about the war-mongering repubs?

          • Claire

            Karolyn–I will agree with you on this–the Republican party has had a hand in warmongering too.

  • Soldier

    WTC building 7 is the key to understanding the true nature of 9/11. Research everything you can on the internet about the destruction of building 7 on 9/11. The main stream media won’t even talk about building 7 anymore for good reason… Indeed, most people have forgotton about the desturction of building 7 on 9/11, and beleive that just the two main towers collapsed and the Pentagon got damaged.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      If one were to suggest that 9/11 was an inside job and that the Mossad played an integral role in the destruction of the Twin Towers, what do you think the reaction of most of the forum members would be?

      • Dr. Mabuse
      • 45caliber

        Frankly, I’ve seen no evidence that it was an “inside” job and a lot that showed it wasn’t. Do you have any hard evidence?

        • Dr. Mabuse

          I merely posed the question, frankly there are some inconsistancies in the Govt. position that bear close scrutiny. As far as evidence is concerned, well one man’s evidence is another man’s conjecture and speculation. I’m enclosing a link for your perusal and would like your comments on it.

          http://colonel6.com/2010/09/05/video-ken-o%e2%80%99keefe-%e2%80%93-marine-vet-talks-about-911-and-america%e2%80%99s-role-in-the-world/

          • 45caliber

            I’ve heard all these arguments before. And most of them are either from small incidents blown out of proportion or are someone’s brain hemorage.

            For instance, the Israelis did NOT attack our ship in hope of getting us to come in on their side. It was evident that they were attacking; we’re supposed to then join them?

            There was an inside job at the twin towers? Not hardly. I’m a mechanical engineer. My job is to design pressure vessels that have both pressure and temperature. Steel melts at 2600+ degrees … but it starts to soften far earlier at 600 degrees. Once the inside of the tower was on fire, there was nothing anyone could do to stop the buildings from falling. The steel is insulated to give up to an hour of time for people to flee – they actually lasted longer. But once the steel starts to buckle from the load on top (several floors) it goes all at once. The weight of the floors would have easily buckled the floor beams beneith them – which would buckle the next, etc. That is exactly what happened. There is NOTHING science can presently do to stop such a thing once it starts, which is why you won’t catch many engineers in high rise buildings.

            The rest of his comments are similar. We are the evil ones. Yeah, right! There are evil people in our land – we know that. But we as a people are not. Did FDR know of Pearl Harbor ahead of time? Maybe, maybe not. But some of his military people did. There was a communication problem that caused even more damage than expected, including the fact that the military in Washington didn’t know the fleet was coming in. In fact, it is impossible to move a battleship until it can get steam up – which takes 3 days. Yet the boilers were hot enough to start moving the ships the moment they realized an attack was occuring because they had just come in.

            This character is simply making money by trying to come up with as many things the ‘evil’ Americans are doing. And I dislike people who try to hog the scene as well. Everything is our fault. American “terrorists” are attacking Iraq? He needs a new and correct definition of terrorist. And I’d like to show his comments to a military unit over there – about an hour before he shows up for a visit. But he wouldn’t do that. He reminds me of the protesters during Vietnam days. Very brave when sitting in a safe place far from danger but terrified when he might be exposed to a little of it. And filled with contempt for the very people who defend him.

          • Dr. Mabuse

            Point taken…
            I found it interesting (in a quirky sort of way) that a former Marine would have such views.
            But perhaps you could explain to me why Dick Cheney caused Norad to stand down just prior to the attacks on the towers? Why, when all air traffic was canceled across the country, members of the Bin Laden family were secretly flown out of the country. The controversy over traces of Thermite and Super Thermite being found on some of steel remnants. Additionally, why was the wreckage whisked of to China for salvage before further tests could be made on it?
            In regards to the Pentagon attack why were there no traces of jet fuel in the surrounding area where the plane allegedly struck the outer wall? The EPA usually quarantines the affected area in cases like this. This wasn’t done. Why was all footage of the “plane” that struck the Pentagon sequestered for several weeks? The footage that was finally released looked like a bastard hybrid between Photoshop and Final Cut. To Henry Kissinger’s credit, ( and I’m being sarcastic)he had the common sense not to accept to position of heading up the inquiry. What about furniture and documents that were virtually untouched at the point of attack? In my opinion, the 9/11 attack goes beyond Osama Bin Laden and 19 towel heads with box cutters.
            I look forward to hearing your thought in this regard.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dr. Mabuse,
            I was at the hospital the morning the towers were his and came out of therapy when the first tower was hit. I watched spell bound as BOTH towers were hit by Jets, not ONE!!
            As far as osama’s family being jetted out, if you commit a grave crime or act of war, do the people of the U.S. stoop to blaming your wife and kids as well?? Do we hold your family as “bait” till you surrender? Do we now believe that the son inherits the sins of the father? The reason they were flown out was that they couldn’t guarantee their safety and they also requested to be able to leave. As much as you might want to hold them we had no crime to hold them. The whole government involved could be charged with internatonal kidnapping. And as public as we are with our dirty laundry, the whole world would have known!!!

  • Jerry

    Let me get this straight. Gen Petraeus claims that burning a Koran
    might put our troops in danger or more in harms way, who is kidding???
    How could burning this book make these Islamists any more madder or
    radical than they already are?? We are already engaged in a war with
    these people. Our troops are already being shot at, being killed or
    severely maimed with the loss of limbs. Our helicpter pilots are
    being blown up in midair by their rockets. But Gen. Petraeus says
    that if we burn the Koran we might make them madder. Madder, madder???
    How in the hell could we make them any madder? Just the fact that we
    have put our troops in Iraq and Afganistan has put them in danger.
    I am beginning to think that if Gen. Petraeus had been in charge
    during WWII, he probably would have been against the D-Day landing
    because we might make the Germans angry.
    We are also being told that we should be tolerant of their religion
    and respectful of their feelings by allowing them to build a Mosque
    within “Ground Zero”. Yet these same people have absolutely no
    respect for our feelings when we object to the construction of a
    Mosque within “Ground Zero” where almost three thousand Americans
    were murdered. They have absolutely no concept of why we consider
    this area “Hallowed Ground”. Why in the hell should we be considerate
    and NOT burn a Koran when they have no consideration for our feelings?
    I, for one, am damned tired of “turning the other cheek” when someone
    wants to kick sand in my face. I agree with Pastor Terry Jones.
    Let the chips fall where they may. I am sick and tired of backing
    down from these people. They can kiss my ass.

    • coal miner

      JoeH,

      You were at the mental institution when this happen?HA HA HA. Was Jana there too?

  • http://gmail i41

    Pathfinder, I agreee with you on taking the Mecca, clay figurine storage hut out of site. The muslim pedophile smucks destroyed the twin towers, take the goat humpersd down with a neutron blast. The lnger we sit and wring our hands the worst it will get. When the muslims allow churches and synagoges be built, then we will talk. Our government just never understand if some 3rd world dork will not our products in, same goes the other way around. Is it the rote reading with no experience, or dumb stupid artsy fartsy idoits who don’t know how to horse trade. The General is talking s–t, it is Onumnutts talking points, his troop removeal was and still a joke. The pusified wimps in the State Department, democrat Congress on rules of engagement, and the muslim marxist and his pedophile bros, not skin loss. Go look up how many mosqueas the federal government havre paid for over the years. Go down in AZ and Mew Mex. and see the big gatherings of muslims, it is just like Michagan for these perverted smucks. The FBI knows about the communities, but the socialist dems and marxist muslim moron has squelched any talking about in 2009. Still think these pedohile dogs are OK, the Shari law and customs are going on and the American people have their heads up the exhaust vent for what is going on.

    • Andrew Middleton

      please show references i want to see this stuff. very interesting…

  • Cathy

    You know what puts our troops in harm’s way? Them being there…

    “We marched right in. We can march right out.” — Ron Paul

    (I’ll probably get jumped on for this…oh well…)

  • Citizen

    What group claims to be peaceful every day? Then promotes violence! Can’t have it both ways

  • Les Moore

    (CNN) — Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/
    You really need to pluck your PC head out of your academic a** and get a good reality check. Americans have become to kind to continue with Liberty – Semper Fi

  • Sheldon

    I believe Pastor Jones should cancel the Qu’ran burning immediately!!! He and his followers should stone the book instead.

  • Claire

    Sheldon–Listen to the news–there are new developments–too much to post here!!!

    • Jeff

      Claire, just read about the Rev. Jones deciding to cancel the book burning.

      • Claire

        Jeff–Watch the news–there is more.

  • Carol

    The Koran should NOT be burned! It is a STUPID idea! It would only get a LOT more Americans killed and make a LOT more Islamists into jihadists to kill more of us faster. WE MUST take care of this problem, this set of problems FAST!

    The Cordova mosque [Ground Zero] should NOT be built. It is a slap in our faces. A victory building as they have done in the very ancient past, over and over again, such as on the church at Cordova. Our gov should not have financed Rauf’s travels to the Middle East. CRAZY!

    Burqa wearing should NOT be allowed in the USA!! Anyone that wants to wear them needs to go to another country that allows the wearing. Anyone in the USA needs to obey OUR LAWS and assimilate into our ways and our language!

    Women wearing burqas pass through airport security unhampered. That is FOOLISH and dangerous!

    GOD BLESS AMERICA!

    • Andrew Middleton

      If Islamic women can wear Burqa, then why can’t the KKK wear their hoods? I mean, after all, the KKK is peaceful too right? There were just a few extremists that made it look bad….

  • alpha-lemming

    An open letter to the American people from his most holy Imam Mohammed Allah Akbar:

    To the American people, Christians and Jews of the world:
    It is with great joy that I write to you upon the announcement of Reverend Terry Jones to not to procede with the planned Koran burning on September 11, 2010. This blasphemy would not have passed without repercussions most vile and there would have been bloodshed on both sides. However, in light of your concession, disaster was avoided, and I feel progress can be made. I am heartened that this may be the beggining of a new era of communication and harmony between our peoples, and Allah willing, the onset of a thousand years of peace. This is my most ardent wish.

    Sincerely
    Imam Mohammed Allah Akbar

    PS… Death to America and all your infidel children.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      alpha,
      ding! ding! ding! ding! ain’t it the TRUTH!!!!

    • Jeep

      Holy Cow! LMAO!

  • Sheldon

    Gee Carol… after they assimilate into your ways, your language… do you want them to convert to your religion too? It almost seems implied by your post.

  • America

    YOU HAVE MADE A MISTAKE BY CALLING IT ‘THE AL QUEDA/TALIBAN BRAND OF ISLAM,’ BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING. ALL MUSLIMS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT! ISLAM/THE QURAN ORDERS ALL MUSLIMS A TO FIGHT AND KILL INFIDELS, IF THEY WANT A GOOD PLACE IN HEAVEN. THE MUSLIMS WHO DON’T DO WHAT THE TALIBAN AND AL QUEDA DO – THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE NOT GOOD MUSLIMS. AND TO MAKE UP FOR NOT OBEYING TO FIGHT AND KILL, THEY GIVE MONEY TO THE TERRORISTS.

    SO DON’T CALL IT THE ‘AL QUEDA/TALIBAN BRAND OF ISLAM’, CALL IT, “THOSE WHO CORRECTLY FOLLOW ISLAM’ IN OTHER WORDS, GOOD MUSLIMS!

    • Claire

      They kill their own if they do not follow “orders” and their way of thinking.

  • tnmccoy

    Ben, go back to school. You don’t have the slightest idea as to why the Dove Church is going to burn the Koran. Your little story about the books you needed to read at what? 13? is off the mark and makes no point about the subject in hand. The burning of the Koran has nothing to do with burning books in general. Muslims have burned the Koran in the past, especially when they thought there was competing books being published. They burn Bibles. They’ve done it dozens of times. The US Army burned Afghan Bibles last year. The Koran was put together 20 years after Mohammed’s death. Mohammed was mentally ill and violent, and I suppose that’s why it took so long to find material. The peaceful portions of the Koran are the oldest part. As every Muslim knows, that part has been superseded by the violent part. There’s no way you can write stories and fiction about Islam. It’s a violent and hatred-filled cult. Nothing more, nothing less. Go back to your typewriter.

  • http://gmail i41

    The first part of the Koran was when Mohammed was thinking he would creat another ideology for 12-15 years of poems and happy thoughts. The second violent part is when he went to Medicina for 20 years and gained power. He got enough freak thugs to go to small groups of goat herders and force them to convert or die. When Mohammed left Mecca he broke all the other 359 clay figurines and kept Allah the moon god, why allah had a star and a cresent moon, plus mohammed was a perverted freak. Mohammed’s last words were to fight and kill any non beleiver, until the world id muslim. To be a muslim must aborrgate several verses of the Koran and the peaceful first part. Just ask a muslim when they start spouting their pedophile ideology, what they aborrgated out of the Koran?

  • Pathos

    donald trump tried to buy that same building out from under the noses of the imams, but a the realtors lawer advised him not to.

  • Burning Man

    It may be more appropiate for this idiot to burn the talmud on 9/11 instesd.

    • coal miner

      Burning Man,

      Burned no books,make no alliances.We need to start working for peace,not war.There is no good that could come from this.

      “It is our true policy to steer clear of entangling alliances with any portion of the foreign world.”
      – George Washington

  • Thinkbug

    PC is functioning very forcefully and so is intimidation. How sad!

    • Karolyn

      What intimidation? He would not have been able to do it anyway because they wouldn’t issue him a burn permit. That’s probably the only reason he decided not to do it and go to NY. PLUS, I’m sure he got paid by CBS (NBC) for their interview.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        karolyn,
        what you seem to ignore is that to burn one koran in a trash can he wouldn’t have needed a permit. One or a hundred the effect would be the same. Just look at that dane that drew ONE COMIC OF MOHAMMED!!!

  • http://www.youtube.com/CanadaLarry Lawrence Edward Calcutt

    Before I spend half the night reading all the comments in this blog, please let me repeat something from the opening message I think is worth repeating..
    start paste ..
    “”Standing up to the forces of extremism and stupidity by acting in an extremely stupid manner is… extremely stupid. I have perused the Koran and remain decidedly non-Muslim (it’s a bacon thing).

    Nor do I have any desire to set my copy on fire, because it’s a really nice leather bound edition and I am intelligent enough to read divergent doctrine and/or opinion without being overcome with the urge to reach for a lighter (or shop for a new vest in the Semtex department).”"
    end paste..

    I to have read the Quran and come to the same conclusions as the writter. I now know why it would appeal to the poor and downtroden of the east.

    My advice, read it and after you have, make the/a decision to give it to someone else, but please don’t burn it. There is nothing to gain by doing so.

    And remember, there is a newer version, now secretly in use that does not contain all the sweatness and love and light that the original contained.
    You woun’t find a copy of it at Chapters or in your local Libary, so don’t bother to look. I looked for you, it’s only in user by those who wish to make the entire world Muslim for Mohammed’d Allah.

  • http://www.youtube.com/CanadaLarry Lawrence Edward Calcutt

    Well worth saying again, and again.

    Start Paste ..

    MSGT JOHN CORREA – USAF (RET) says:
    September 9, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    Wanda, I totally agree with you. Most Americans have two serious problems; they have a tendency to forget events much too easily, and they are basically much too lazy to research history. In Iraq I saw a woman jump up and down with “JOY” when our WTC buildings were destroyed along with the lives of three thousand American men and women. What really makes me angry is the knowledge that never in the history of the United States has our government ever interfered or involved themselves in the protection of any Judeo-Christian religion as much as certain government officials are protecting the Islamic religion of the Muslims. Furthermore, I don’t believe that New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg has any knowledge of the Muslim’s history or its originator, Mohammed. Why do you suppose the Muslims object to the translation of their Koran? I suggest that Americans research the history of Mohammed who ran from Mecca to Medina to save his butt. The reason for his immediate departure was due to his to preaching of violence against the people he designated as “evil-doers.” Here’s a few of their Koran’s Suras; 1. In Sura 18:21 you will understand Why Muslims insist on building a Mosque at Ground Zero; IT IS THEIR SYMBOL OF VICTORY as they built their Mosque over Spanish churches in Cordoba and Seville and Segovia, and Agia Sophia in Constantinople. 2. Sura 9:5, 9:3, and 9:29 of the Koran effectively commands Muslims to kill the non-believers. (meaning us infidels.) I don’t wish to make this paragraph any longer than I have too; but you should research the Koran and its Suras for yourself to learn that the Muslims are currently “infiltrating” key governmnet positions with the help of the foreign-born Muslim Communist U.S. President Barack Hussein Obama II. Wait until you read the Koran’s Sura 5:51, 5:54, and 5:60 that label’s the Jews and Christians as “pigs and monkeys.” Once they gain more and more ground in government, they will impose their law of “Sharia” as the law of the land over us. Wake up Americans!!!
    End Paste ….

    Do I need to paste it again”,, Maybe tomorrow.

  • Marc

    Many people want to understant this religion.They must look at it as a system.
    More than a religion,it is strategy to conquest.Dar al-islam and dar-al-harb
    Jihad where the infidel-”harbi” has no rights.An empire for Muhamed in the seventh century,and now fanatics in poor countries with 70 % illiteracy are dreaming of reuniting the world in one califat.Agents looking for a breach everywhere more and more agressively.The “infidel” is the enemy.I am writing from Europe; to have an idea of the situation there, read:”spiegel.online english,
    Sarrazin Islam critic.” They refuse to adapt, instead you must go back to the VIIth century stoning and “honor” killing.

  • Marc

    Stalin and his mafia were talking peace too.After they killed off a
    hundred million people in the communist world it was some peace for the victims.Beware of hypocrisy.Ramadan is not about abstaining and moderation.
    It would be honest to say:for one month I am going to eat during the night
    after the sun set and the best food I can get.

  • coal miner
    • JeffH

      coal dunnger is now reduced to referencing “Craigslist” as a source of political information…a new low has been discovered by the infamous coal dunnger.

      • coal miner

        JeffH,

        Coal miner strikes again.HA JA HA

        • http://naver samurai

          Where? Are we rump ranging again?

        • Andrew Middleton

          To Coal Miner: Read the book entitled The Bell Curve. You might understand part of social Conservativism for a change(if you’re intelligent enough to understand the book.) The world is not my problem. We bring nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. The time in between birth and death is an every-man-for-himself dash for the cash. Like it or lump it. I refuse to pay for undermotivated genetically-inferior screwups to milk the system the how your desired liberal utopia would throw the door wide open to. Read some science for a change and (for the love of God!) don’t get your education from Craigslist. And by the way, I would like to ask you, Who saved Europe from the near-demise of slavery? It was the good old US of A, most recently WWII. You tout them as so much better than us when really, without the United States, Europe would still be pretty daggone close to the Dark Ages. It is the fault of you socialist morons (chiefly Sigmund Freud and Charles Darwin and their constituents/ideological posterity) that our “socioeducational status” has gone down the tubes. With that I end my rant. You have issues. This is America, and if you don’t like it, emigrate. We’d be thrilled to have you gone.

          • Andrew Middleton

            To the rest of you out there, if you agree with the preceding comment and have more ammo to add to this discussion, please comment accordingly below. Let’s embarass the coal miner’s liberal fallacy with truth!

          • Karolyn

            YOU ARE SO SO WRONG!!!!!!!! We were put here for the sole purpose of living joyfully and helping each other. End of story!! You and people like you are the reason for all the ills of the world. Me, me, me and mine first is your battlecry. It is NOT a dog-eat-dog world. Why don’t you try opening your mind and reading something other than conservative dogma for a change? I am so glad I don’t have to interact with people like you on any kind of basis. My world is what I make it. Your world is one of suspicion, anger, hate and selfishness which creates more of the same. Maybe we’d all be better off if YOU leave the country and take your fellow haters with you. “As ye speak, so shall ye be.”

          • coal miner

            Andrew M.

            I read the book a few years ago.It was written by Richard J.Herristein (psychologist) and Charles Murray (a political scientist).It is racist and proves nothing.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve

      • Andrew Middleton

        Well said my friend.

  • http://gmail i41

    coalminer, American myths: Obammee is a Christian and cares about American people, when he is saving the taxpayers money. Or socialist democrats never want someone one else to pay their taxes and are honest moral humans,beleive in private property and are color blind!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    I wonder; would you limp-wristed liberals have complained about someone burning “Mein Kamp” in 1943 ? ?

    • Karolyn

      Probably.

    • coal miner

      gunner,

      Burning books is ignorance,read Lloyd M. Graham’s book Deceptions and Myths of the Bible.Christians burned thousands of books that weren’t Christian and also human victims. Remember the Dark Ages? Like I said,Christianity is nothing but a hoax and a fraud.

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    I don’t know of anyone burning the King James Bibles that might really piss off T-Rex bully of the global campus; who thinks he should rule the world of course we think of him as Barney in his sweet purple costume spreading happiness and joy and love.

    This thread really rocks – you are all rocks.

  • Andrew Middleton

    It should be here at least noted that these people are Muslims, yes; followers of Islam, yes; but God in the Scriptures calls them “heathen.” (case in point: multiple wives, child molestation, self-destruction/mutilation for their god, etc.) Forget the B.S. political correctness–let’s refer to them for what they are–HEATHEN. This would make the discussion far more accurate than simply calling them “Muslim” or “Islamic.” Also note that the heathens that promote the new so-called “terrorism” are not radicals or extremists; but rather they are fundamentalists. They believe in the fundamentals of their religion, namely hate, intolerance, and destruction of nonbelievers. “Be ye wise as serpents, gentle as doves…” We do not need to destroy this heathen people as the KKK and others would promote, but we do need to understand them for who they are and prevent them from doing any more harm than they have already done. It will require a precise, calculated no-nonsense policy to keep these people in check and maintain our beloved freedom of religion. Unfortunately, all we have from Washington these days is total nonsense. Wake up and smell the coffee. It’s almost time to head down to the mosque. Don’t forget your prayer rug…

  • WTH

    “Despite cautionary notes sounded by everyone from the local fire department to General David Petraeus, Jones is going ahead with his bonfire of the inanities.” Jones didn’t burn the books… he suposedly flew to NY instead. Who gave this story “legs” anyway? If nobody reported on this guy’s antics, nobody would know and it wouldn’t be a story. Maybe we should be asking why this was all over the news. News is controlled for a reason.

  • John Russo

    We all have selective first amendment rights. Our inexperienced community activist president as well the media should never have fueled the flames(sorry)by giving Jones air time. But since he did, I say he should have stuck the Koran in a jar of urine; or smeared it it with dung and called it art. It might get to hang in some gallery. If you recall, some sicko’ artists did these things(to a crucifix and a painting of the Virgin Mary) and they were placed in museums where I believe they still reside. But it will never happen because the Islamic faithful are serious about their religion/politics. Koran is their politics. No separation their.

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