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Couple Sued For Refusing To Remove Swing Set

May 4, 2012 by  

Couple Sued For Refusing To Remove Swing Set
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Bill and Candi Fry are being forced to remove their children’s swing set.

A Homeowner’s Association (HOA) in Texas wasn’t playing when it told Bill Fry to remove the swing set and slide from his yard. Fry, an Army National Guard captain who recently returned from Afghanistan after serving a year overseas, claims the HOA is just trying to flex its muscles.

Before his departure to Afghanistan, Bill and Candi Fry decided to build a swing set as a way to help the kids cope. They claim they received verbal permission. “His response was, ‘Go ahead and build it. I’m chair of the architectural committee, and it should not be a problem,’” Candi Fry recalled.

But after neighbors complained, the HOA swung into action.

The HOA filed a lawsuit against the Fry family for failing to comply with neighborhood standards. “They’re in the wrong only because they declined to make the proper application and submit the drawings,” HOA chairman Harold Lemmon told KLTV.

The Frys claim that, although they were warned they might have to remove the swing set if neighbors complained, they were never told to submit drawings or documentation. Following the neighbors’ complaints and the HOA’s demand, the Frys submitted documentation. The HOA found the drawings unsatisfactory.

“I’m not immune to the emotions of this,” Lemmon said. “[But] if you break the rules, you broke the rules. You can’t break the rules for your own personal reasons.”

Evan McKenzie, political science professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and author of the book Privatopia: Homeowner Associations and the Rise of Residential Private Government, commented: “The moral of the story on this is, the owners really have to know what’s in their (homeowners association) declaration. You cannot act like the rules and regulations are to be taken lightly. You have to read them, you have to understand them. If you don’t like it, then you don’t want to live in this type of housing.”

Bryan Nash

Staff writer Bryan Nash has devoted much of his life to searching for the truth behind the lies that the masses never question. He is currently pursuing a Master's of Divinity and is the author of The Messiah's Misfits, Things Unseen and The Backpack Guide to Surviving the University. He has also been a regular contributor to the magazine Biblical Insights.

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  • Michael

    This is yet another example of an association overstepping their bounds. Like unions, most HOA’s have become overbearing thugs that overstep their intended purpose. If I were the Fry’s I would counter sue for abuse of power and over reaching. The intent of a HOA is to make sure home owners do not paint ther house some ungodly color and to make sure the common areas of the community are well maintained. The private property right should trump this rediculous “rule”… My guess is the ones who complained simply don’t want to hear kids outside playing… This is rediculous!!!

    • Flashy

      1. you buy a house with an HOA, you’d best read the Articles and ask around and decide if you want to live in an HOA neighborhood.
      2. one doesn’t like the HOA and thinks such are onerous and stepping out of bounds? Attend the meetings, talk to your neighbors (they are the HOA y’know) and frippin’ RUN for a seat !

      galls me to no end when folks whine and complain about an HOA or a school board etc…yet when asked they don’t attend meetings, they don’t ask questions, they provide no input.

      But dang…they’re the first ones to yell and scream.

      • charles

        I guess you didn’t notice,,, this guy was in Afganistan. Tought to make weekly meetings from so far a distance…Where were you ??? sipping coffee, safe…???? God bless the captain…..

      • Average Joe

        Flashy,

        For a change, we can agree.
        Contracts are contracts. If you don’t read the fine print, you can’t complain when the fine print is used in a lawful fashion.
        Caveat emptor…Let the buyer beware……Pretty simple stuff.

        Read your contracts, understand them…before you sign your name on the dotted line..for once you do, you’ve agreed to a contract….a principle that applies anytime you sign your name…on anything…it is a contract.

    • http://yahoo Bob

      When buying or considering buying request a copy of the CC &R’S the Realtor has to comply with that request. READ AND UNDERSTAND THEM. THEY ARE CITY CODE’S. once put in place.The city has and ARBITRAGER YOU CAN GO TO IN AN DISAGREEMENT. IN MOST CASES THE HOA HAS WON. Any time you want to add something you are required to submit a form before making that change.

  • Vigilant

    “The moral of the story on this is, the owners really have to know what’s in their (homeowners association) declaration. You cannot act like the rules and regulations are to be taken lightly. You have to read them, you have to understand them. If you don’t like it, then you don’t want to live in this type of housing.”

    That says it all. While there would seem to be mitigating circumstances, the HOA would seem to have the law on its side.

    This story would not have made it past the cutters if the man was not a National Guard officer. This type of thing happens perhaps hundreds of times a year in the US. The Capt. should understand that his service is not just to preserve freedoms, but also to preserve the rule of law, without which no freedoms can be exercised.

    • MJB

      the moral of the story is that we need to fight for restoration of property rights in this country! NOT capitulate to these ridiculous HOA’s… What do they provide anyway? NOTHING of value… The cost associated with them from a freedom as well as monetary point of view is utterly ridiculous… I cannot believe that people are not fighting to abolish these HOA’s… It is a FORCED and COERCED additional TAX!

      • Flashy

        HOAs are tied to the deed and are part of the property when purchased. They are not ‘forced” on anyone. And anyone can run to be on the HOA Board, anyone can attend the meetings and give input, and anyone can simply walk and talk to their neighbors.

        no big deal except to those who want to do nothing, yet expect all to kowtow and cater to them.

        • MJB

          The problem is that if they are “tied to the deed” there is no way of separating from it. If we have “Freedom of Association” do we not have “Freedom FROM Association” as well? If the people who are so hell bent on “Freedom of Religion” being “Freedom FROM Religion” would not the same principle apply? If there is no way to separate yourself from draconian policies (not law), then it should be shot down… The original intent of the HOA as stated in another post is to ensure “Curb Appeal”… NOT to tell someone they cannot have a swingset in their backyard… The HOA has WAY overstepped their bounds here! WITHOUT QUESTION!!

      • Vigilant

        “If we have “Freedom of Association” do we not have “Freedom FROM Association” as well?”

        Most certainly. You are free NOT to engage in the association with others through an HOA. Or do you expect to walk into an HOA meeting and demand that they accede to all your individual wishes after you’ve joined? You have a very skewed sense of entitlement, and a very distorted view of the rule of law.

        Perhaps anarchy is your cup of tea.

        • MJB

          HOA’s severly limit ones ability to do with the property what one chooses. If I am a property OWNER why can’t I sever the HOA from the deed? My question was that if we have “Freedom of Association” we should have “Freedom FROM Association” allowing there to be a severing of the Deed from the HOA? The “services” provided by the HOA could very easily be deemed “My Responsibility”…

          HOA’s are needless bloated organizations that overstep their original intent of “Curb Appeal Standards” when they start telling people they cannot have a swing set in their back yard!

          Of course my opinion though is that there should not be any property tax either. If one OWNS the property, a perpetual property tax essentially makes it to where you are merely leasing the property from the government… It isn’t yours (even if it is paid off)!!!! What a crock!

          Same with an annual vehicle tax!! Same applies!

      • MJB

        Vigilent: I am NOT an Anarchist and that is NOT what I want! What I want is LIMITED government and to be LEFT ALONE!! The founders would be ROLLING OVER in their graves if they saw us today… We are so far from what they intended it is unreal! All of those who say “well we live in a different time”… SO WHAT? A different time does not mean we need to encroach into peoples lives more and more! Anarchy is NOT the way to go! I am ALL about the true limits put upon government at every level… If my Constitutional RIGHT to “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” is infringed because of this HOA being tied to the deed then I should have the RIGHT to sever that tie at any time. There should be no restriction as to my RIGHT to pursue happiness by having a swing set in my back yard and there should be no ability to make a rule or law to infringe that RIGHT!

      • Vigilant

        “If my Constitutional RIGHT to “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” is infringed because of this HOA being tied to the deed then I should have the RIGHT to sever that tie at any time. There should be no restriction as to my RIGHT to pursue happiness by having a swing set in my back yard and there should be no ability to make a rule or law to infringe that RIGHT!”

        This is becoming comical. Once you join an HOA, you indeed do have the right to sever the tie. It’s called “selling your property and moving out.”

        You may indeed THINK that “there should be no restriction as to my RIGHT to pursue happiness by having a swing set in my back yard,” but the courts of law will tell you otherwise. You don’t agree with the requirement, you are free not to join. But if you join, you play by the rules.

        You no maka the rules, you no playa the game.

        I repeat, “You have a very skewed sense of entitlement, and a very distorted view of the rule of law.”

        • Michael

          Vigilant, the problem is not that I have a skewed view of the “law”… I have a very firm grasp on “law”… The HOA rules are not “law”. If I cannot sever the ties with the HOA without selling the property then what you are saying is untrue… That is not severing the ties between the HOA and the property which is what I was referring to… I do believe if one were to approach the issue in that way and have the fortitude to take it as far as necessary in order to sever said ties it would benefit ALL other than the tyrants…

          • http://yahoo Bob

            YOU AGREED TO THE CC&R’S BEFORE YOU BOUGHT THE HOME WITHOUT SIGNING THAT AGREEMENT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUY THE HOME YOU ALSO SIGNED SAYING YOU READ AND UNDERSTAND THE CC&R;s THAT A STATE LAW. THE CC&R’S ARE PENAL CODE LAWS ONCE APPLIED BY THE BUILDER .

          • Michael

            And there in lies the problem… There is no way of severing the ties… This violates my Constitutionally guaranteed RIGHT to “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness”… If there cannot be anything I can do to sever that tie between the property and the HOA, then that infringes…

          • http://yahoo Bob

            they are where to protect the home owners from people running down the comuinty by not taking care of their homes and parking car in their front yard. Having 3 an 4 familys living in the same house an so on. CC&R are law we had to have a lawyer change some things in our’s because the builder put the wrong cc%r’s on our homes. The form that is send in for changes isn’t a request but to let them know what you are doing an give them a chance to respond if the swing set meets the cc&r’s then it allowed. You just have to understand them they are there to protect all home owners in the comuity. You have a choose you don’t have to buy the home you can live in a comuity without them that your choose.

      • Vigilant

        “This violates my Constitutionally guaranteed RIGHT to “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness”…

        Michael’s obviously the product of the public so-called “education” system.

        Although Jefferson’s famous phrase is one of the bases of the Constitution, it is not in the Constitution. Nor does the Constitution guarantee the pursuit of happiness, a job, health care, welfare payments, or any “right” to violate an HOA bilateral contract.

        You have no right to violate a contract based on the 4 prerequisites: offer, acceptance, consideration and mental capacity to contract, although I would begin to doubt your mental capacity if you can’t understand that flouting a legal agreement is somehow your “right.”

        Wake up and realize the world doesn’t revolve around you. You don’t make the rules, and society would disintegrate if every fool like yourself thought they had a right to regard or disregard the laws of the land based on their whim.

        P.S. Take a beginner’s course on the Constitution.

        • Michael

          Vigilant, First of all…

          The point of what I am saying is that we should be able to sever the ties between the “deed” and the “HOA”. Tying the two without the ability to separate them is what I have a problem with. If I want to purchase a piece of property, I should not have to be subjected to a secondary contract in order to purchase the property. HOA’s are simply an additional form of tyranny perpetrated upon unsuspecting citizens who initially believed them to be a protection only to find out they are not for their protection but rather to dictate behavior and limit what one can do with their PRIVATE PROPERTY. Private Property Rights have been decimated by the likes of HOA’s and over reaching government bureaucrats. With a property that has no ability to be separated from a HOA “contract” upon purchase it inhibits ones RIGHT to contract freely without encumbrances!

          You sir are probably one who believes that someone who owns a restaurant should not have the right to allow or not allow for a smoking section, believing it is a “public place”. But of course it is NOT a “public place”, it is a PRIVATELY OWNED RESTAURANT. And the OWNER should have the ability to make the determination, not the GOVERNMENT.

          The phrase came from “The Declaration of Independence”. One of our founding documents you pampas @$$! I do not believe the world revolves around me. I am speaking for MANY who feel the same way. HOA’s are simply a way to artificially prop up property values. There is no real value created nor is there any valid purpose that should require the use of a HOA.

          I am a student of the Constitution and all the founding documents associated with our country. You are obviously one who believes that Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights are not as important as some “rule” generated under “color of law”. An HOA contract is something that is derived under COLOR of LAW because there is no way to separate it from the property as the HOA runs for perpetuity!

        • Michael

          Vigilant, you probably believe that one needs a concealed weapons permit (CWP) to carry a gun as well! The Second Amendment is my CWP!!

          I am sure you believe that is a legit “law” as well as these “laws” and “rules” like HOA’s limiting and sometimes even eliminating Personal Property Rights!

      • Buster the Anatolian

        I read about a case recently where a woman bought a house and put in a very lovely flower bed in front. Two years later a HOA was formed and it told her she had to remove the flower bed.

        • Michael

          And the stories go on and on! What some of these people here do not understand is that there are some areas of the country where you cannot buy a home that is NOT tied to one of these HOA’s… So what is a person to do. Owning a property that is tied to a HOA essentially reduces you to being a renter! Even once your property is paid for and you “supposedly” own it outright there are still the HOA monthly fees and property tax…

          People in America, WAKE UP! You are being DUPED! You don’t OWN anything anymore… At least nothing of real value!

          Homes and cars are both things that you have to continue pay even after the purchase is complete… EVERY YEAR… Year In and Year Out! How is that “OWNING” it?

          Property Taxes are another issue, once that property is paid for there should be NO MORE Taxes on it! And I should be able to sever my ties to any HOA at any time before or after purchase… How is there any justification for the continual robbing of people? Counties continue to tax us through sales taxes and other “fees”! When does it STOP?

      • Vigilant

        Michael says, “The point of what I am saying is that we should be able to sever the ties between the “deed” and the “HOA”. Tying the two without the ability to separate them is what I have a problem with. If I want to purchase a piece of property, I should not have to be subjected to a secondary contract in order to purchase the property.”

        What you think SHOULD be and what the law says are two different things. Once you untie the two, you will have rendered the HOA null and void. Maybe that’s what you WANT to do, maybe that’s what you feel ENTITLED to do, maybe that’s what you wrongly deem it your RIGHT to do, but you are sadly mistaken from a legal angle.

        “HOA’s are simply an additional form of tyranny perpetrated upon unsuspecting citizens who initially believed them to be a protection only to find out they are not for their protection but rather to dictate behavior and limit what one can do with their PRIVATE PROPERTY.”

        “Unsuspecting citizens?” Maybe YOU are an unsuspecting citizen, too naïve to read and understand the terms of the contract. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, never has been.

        “Private Property Rights have been decimated by the likes of HOA’s and over reaching government bureaucrats. With a property that has no ability to be separated from a HOA “contract” upon purchase it inhibits ones RIGHT to contract freely without encumbrances!”

        While I agree that private property rights have been abridged by governments, you have no basis to claim that anyone has the right to contract freely without encumbrances. Contract law is covered in the Uniform Commercial Code and, guess what…it’s legal and Constitutional.

        “You sir are probably one who believes that someone who owns a restaurant should not have the right to allow or not allow for a smoking section, believing it is a “public place”. But of course it is NOT a “public place”, it is a PRIVATELY OWNED RESTAURANT. And the OWNER should have the ability to make the determination, not the GOVERNMENT.”

        I’m not taking your Alinsky bait; the conversation is about the legality of HOAs and not restaurant owners. That’s another argument completely.

        “The phrase came from “The Declaration of Independence”. One of our founding documents you pampas @$$!”

        Duh, no kiddin’?…and “Pampas?” Sorry, I’m from NY, not the South American lowlands. I think “pompous” was the word you were looking for. LOL

        “I do not believe the world revolves around me. I am speaking for MANY who feel the same way. HOA’s are simply a way to artificially prop up property values. There is no real value created nor is there any valid purpose that should require the use of a HOA.”

        Your feelings carry no weight in a court of law.

        “I am a student of the Constitution and all the founding documents associated with our country. You are obviously one who believes that Constitutionally Guaranteed Rights are not as important as some “rule” generated under “color of law”. An HOA contract is something that is derived under COLOR of LAW because there is no way to separate it from the property as the HOA runs for perpetuity!”

        Judging by your abject ignorance of the Constitution, I’d say you’re only a beginning student, and a poor one at that.

        Here’s a homework assignment for you, little boy: find ANYTHING in the Constitution that guarantees your right to breach a legal contract.

    • Andy

      There is no Law. It is an HOA rule, the Law would apply to everyone not just the neighborhood. Personal Property Rights prevail. They made verbal notifcation of a structure, which I can see from the picture is in the back of the property. HOA purpose is for curb appeal and to help maintain the value of the property. How a childs swing set is a devaluation to the properties in the neighborhood should be proven. Come on retired persons find something else to do be sides petty picking.

      I could understand it if they where building a pig pen in the back yard.

      • Deerinwater

        True Andy but you are talking about suing the HOA for a rule change. One would want to attempt to avoid that unless it proves impossible. The outcome of any hearing would be based on the merits of the argument.

        Any home that in the process of raising tiny ones should be allowed a “swing set” in my mind. However some Senior Communities are not so children friendly. While that is sad perhaps, it is understandable. If you have children, it is the wrong place to live.

        Myself, I love to watch the neighbor , a child herself, off load her two tiny ones, with another on the way. It’s serious business and a big job, it’s a precious sight to watch. The little girl of 15 months in her petty little sun dress, goes a scampering as fast as her little legs will carry her as soon as her mother sets her down to grab something else from the car. It a dangerous and controlled process getting everyone unbuckled, off loaded and into the house. Something dropped, someone trips, a crabby buckle, a finger caught in the door, something left behind.

        But some people attitude toward children other then their own is not what you or I might expect.

      • Flashy

        HOAs are not for just ‘curb appeal”. courts will uphold almost all HOA actions since the solution is have the Board change the rule. It’s an extension of The Commons principle.

      • duane

        What the hell makes you think it was a retired person who complained??? It could have been the neighborhood busy body that is on a power trip. My experience indicates that the person who complained does not like children. As a retired real estate appraiser, I know about HOA’s. I would not live in a subdivision which has such restrictive rules. And believe me I have just about seen every ridiculous rule that there was invented on these Home Owners Associations. The thing to do is become a participant in the process so this kind of horse manure does not happen. It is worse for condominiums. HOA’s are just the tip of the iceberg. I have encountered something similar but more restrictive in older neighborhood’s called covenants and restrictions. I have seen some ugly battles over these old rules, especially when a person wants to renovate and up grade their home. Remember the old rule: buyer beware.

        • Deerinwater

          We have such a thing that has been put in place by city government called Freedmont Historical District. It’s intent is to preserve the historical nuance in architectural, to capture, restore and preserve the beauty of that time period being mid to late 1800′s. . Anyone that owns property there must be a team player and contend with all the many restriction.

      • Michael

        Andy, Why should it matter what they are doing with the property? It is THEIR PROPERTY!

        Part of the problem in a lot of cases (not all) is that the homes are allowed to be so close to each other that everyone can see everything that goes on in every house in the neighborhood!

        Builders place the homes so close that there is no more privacy! Although, in some cases I have heard even acreage has been converted to having HOA’s… THAT is even MORE nuts!

        All HOA’s should be abolished (IMHO) and the City or County should have to become responsible for the “common areas” upkeep. That way, every “ordinance” can be challenged on its face as to its Constitutionality in regard to ones RIGHT to do with ones property what they deem appropriate!

  • Deerinwater

    “Privatopia: Homeowner Associations and the Rise of Residential Private Government, ”

    Private government ! that can amend your liberties with the help of public government no less!

    • Vigilant

      Membership in the homeowners association by a residential buyer is typically a condition of purchase; a buyer isn’t given an option to reject it.

      It’s not the government taking away any rights. It’s the “tyranny of the majority.” It’s one of the outgrowths of “democracy.”

      • MJB

        Problem with that argument is that we are NOT a “democracy”… We are a Constitutional Republic! CRAP like this is exactly why the founders did not want to be a democracy… Democracy is a hell hole protecting no ones rights…

      • Vigilant

        You’ve completely misunderstood my remarks. Please re-read my posting. I know full well what our form of government is, and it’s completely irrelevant to your argument. The Constitution left the states alone to determine how to run their business, with very few exceptions.

        Homeowners associations are, like town hall meetings, run more or less as a democracy, i.e., each person has a say in the bylaws, covenants, etc. I quote again, “Associations provide services, regulate activities, levy assessments, and may, as delegated by the states legislature, impose fines. Unlike a municipal government, they are not subject to the constitutional constraints that public government must abide by. Some of the tasks which HOAs carry out would otherwise be required to be performed by local governments. A homeowners’ association can enforce its actions through the threat and levying of fines, and private legal action under civil law.”

        While most HOAs elect boards to conduct business, individual homeowners have a much greater say in how things are to be run than we do when we vote in a general election. It is this “tyranny of the majority” that I am excoriating, not extolling.

  • Bev

    I lived in a very expensive HOA located in the high desert of California with a 27 hole golf course. The golf course was an abomination in the middle of the desert and cost each homeowner (when I lived there, it’s probably much more now) an extra $125/mo. This HOA also had two man-made lakes with designated swimming places. I don’t golf, but when I asked the HOA if I could bring my students for a end of year swimming party on a Tuesday at 11am they denied my request. I was told that the kids didn’t live there, which was true since I taught in a town about 40 min away. That did it for me. It’s one of those times when I really could’ve gone postal. My $125/mo was good for golf but forget about all the other amenities. So NEVER again will I live in a neighborhood that can be controlled by Nazi’s.

  • dan

    It’s all good and fine keeping out the riff-raff…until you find out that the snobs think you’re the low-life….sort of like belonging to the GOP :)

    • vanessa

      Dan the institute of over regulating and control are DEMOCRAT. Just look at the over regulation of the Obummer regime. Nice try.

      • Deerinwater

        Nice try is right! The GOP is not even running a close second, but took the lead many years ago.

      • Vigilant

        The article has nothing to do with GOP vs. Democrat. It has to do with the tyranny of the majority one finds in a true democracy. They are usually the NIMBY (not in my backyard) crowd that always knows better than you how to conduct your life. They come from both sides of the political aisle.

      • eddie47d

        You agree with the HOA when you buy a home and accept the rules. Some of those rules really suck so be cautious when buying. Swing sets are generally temporary and as the kids grow they are removed so hopefully some common sense will prevail.

      • Walt

        Vanessa…Here’s some facts for you to consider:

        Since 2001, there have been 38,700 Federal rules issued (not laws passed by Congress or the President), adding $1,752 Trillion in compliance costs, plus an additional $55.4 Billion to administer and police these rules. Total = over $1.8 Trillion. This is more than the total Gross National Product of Mexico or Canada. Federal agencies issued 3,573 final rules in 2010 and 3,503 in 2009.

        These are Federal government agencies full of unelected bureaurocrats, not Democrat or Republican agencies. However, if you want to play the partisan math game, 7,076 rules were issued in 2009 & 2010 during “Obama’s Watch”, leaving 31,624 (38,700 minus 7,076) rules issued during “Bush’s Watch”, or 3,953 rules issued on average for every year of President Bush’s term.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      (offensive comment removed)

    • jopa

      Mormons think if you weren’t baptized in their church your a heathen and the cross is a pagan symbol.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        ah Jopa are you in the right blog with that comment, probaly not in the right group of course you are a liberal

        • Deerinwater

          I know there one protestant faith that feels much the same way about the “cross” , You will not see any cross on the Church of Christ building. They take that cross off of their zipper bibles as well. They don’t wear cross jewelry.

          You think about, what if Christ was hung instead. What might we see today?

  • Ben

    The HOA’s have no place in Texas or any where else because the are the terrorist of the neighborhood. We have HOA all over the place here in Florida and they are getting out of hand like you can’t have a pickup truck in your driveway because they think they look ugly. And now what this family has had to suffer. Well I think we need to get our FREEDOM BACK and get rid of the HOA’s for good. They have out lived their use.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      They would love me , I park my tractor and 53′ trailer at my house .

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Well Jimmy that is a bit intrusive dont you think?? If you lived in my neighborhood you would be replacing all your tires everytime you parked that monster in front of my house.

      • mn1013

        Brad — Jimmy said by HIS house. If he does that, then you should be jailed for wilfull destruction of other people’s property (might even be a felony since those tires each cost a pretty penny). I’d try to work with the guy before resorting to those types of tricks.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      To bred And you would would be looking for a new house to replace the one that burnt down , that is if you and your family were lucky enough to get out .

    • jopa

      Brad;Yea my comment was in the right blog in answer to Bens post above it about what others think of each other and riff raff.Of course you are just another foul mouthed Conservative making offensive remarks with nothing constructive to add to the conversation and so quick to attack you don’t know where you are.

  • vanessa

    Oh yeah by the way thats why I would NEVER live in a neighborhood like that. You guys that do get what you ask for. Basic backyard freedom should be everyones first right with the only exceptions of painting your house pink and having a junk yard in the back of it without an 8 foot tall fence.

    • Ben

      Yop you have that right Vanessa.

  • Jimmy The Greek

    I live in Texas , And you have to be nuts to buy property that has deed restrictions and a HOA .

    • Ben

      Jimmy that is why I am moving back to Texas and where I am going to live has no deed restrictions like that I would have to be a total idiot to live in a place like that.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        The guy that lives in the next place over has a 300lb pig that runs around when i pull up in my rig the pig runs out to greet me like a big dog . The up side of having a pig running up and down the road is it keeps the Muslims and Jews out of the neighborhood . LOL

        • Deerinwater

          and snakes! ~ My family of share croppers raised on the river bottom, kept yard pigs along with the chicken for that very reason. Pigs love snake! Yummy! Slim Jims!

          It keep such wild life away from the house and barns. more or less

      • Vigilant

        Jimmy the Geek reminds me of Robert Smith. While Robert takes every opportunity to insert out-of-thread remarks about Christianity, Jimmy can never resist the temptation to show us his bigotry and racism. The difference is that RS has an IQ higher than 50.

        I think that when Jimmy was being made, there was some skunk, weasel and jackal sperm in the genetic cocktail they scooped off the floor. He’s almost enough to change my pro-life views.

        He’s a troglodyte that lives in the cave of human idiocy and ignorance. The only hope for him is, upon reaching the end of his life, he just might review his actions and realize that he has not done ONE thing to further the advancement of civilization. And he might realize that he will be among that select group of scum without whom the human race would have been better off.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Vigilant,

        I have a different take on Jimmy the Geek,

        I believe he is a leftist who comes here to post his nonsense in an effort to make it appear as if conservatives are racists and neanderthals. No functional adult can be be as stupid as he comes across.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Vigilant

        Thank you, Mr. Livingston. I really hadn’t thought of that.

        It would be interesting to know how many of these types of posters are merely stirring the pot to harvest remarks that can be used against Conservatives.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        To bob L I well be honest with you and tell you what i am . I am a far right winger way to the right of all you neocons Lefties hate me and i have no love of them . To me i look at most of you as being bleeding harts . i believe people should take care of there own problems with out calling the cops on each other , If you met me in person you would understand me better . I am 60 years old for the last 35 years i have hung around bikers and still ride not the kind you see riding around on weekends , I tend to run with 1% if you know what that means , i just never wanted to join but still have the mine set . Why is it that if you folks don’t like some one you call them a lefty ? Now if you were to call me a right wing Fascist you would be much closer to the truth . FYI i have no problem with black people , however i call it as i see it and that makes a lot of you uncomfortable , now i well not lie to you i do have a problem with Zionism . However Bob for a neocon you seem to be ok even if your thinking is to the left of mine LOL

        • Deerinwater

          Well Dang it Bob, seems that he’s insistent to be seen as a bird of the feather.

          I can’t claim him for the most obvious of reasons.

          If we can determine what “it’s” been eating will help in classifying this anomaly.

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston…I hope your have a strong heart and stable constitution for this may well be a historical day on PL. In that there will be unanimity by all in agreement with one of my posts.

        I agree with you that Jimmy the Greek is someone who thinks he is being cute slamming and making racist statements. I also am tending to agree he is not of the ideological persuasion of the Right.

        Unlike the posters …including I may add, myself, who post here with some semblance of attempting debate and bringing out the true facts and issues…I myself see no redeeming value in Greek’s posts.

        Ironically, as much as i value Speech … I would proffer that Mr. Greek be taken off posting privileges.

      • http://ncrdbl1.wordpress.com ncrdbl1

        Bob nailed jimmy the greek with his observation. The use of the word neocon exposes HRG as a liberal plant whose only purpose is to try and make Conservatives look like racist. A person can at time disguise their true beliefs while writing when they are very careful in scripting each response. But JTG post so quick and so often it hard to keep his true nature from showing though the disguise.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Ben sorry to use you like this , however i need to put this were it needs to go , thank you ! Now Flashy What is your Problem ? You sure are brown nosing bob there . If he wanted to boot me He would do it with out you egging him on . I happen to know a lot of people get a kick out of some of the things i say . I think what up sets you is a lot of the time i am right , and a lot of People can’t Handel the truth when they hear it .

      • Flashy

        OK Mr. Livingston….you are correct. If that’s the best shot of insulting me he (JTG) can do…he ain’t right wing and is just here to disrupt not giving any addition to any debate.

        Hey..since I have two strikes on me…can i give them to JTG and you can take it from there/.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Flashy let me put this another way That you may understand . I am not a Conservative ! Or A Liberal , I am a hard core Biker , Red Neck , Hellraiser , Now do you understand What i am and when i am on here it is because there is no fright the need to be moved . Hellraising truck driving motorcycle riding gun toteing redneck now do you understsnd me ?

  • richard

    to bev…..the hoa is a group of people who are in effect the ruling party…you certainly have the right to be disappointed and to take the action of leaving….but you can’t really argue their not being right….i certainly would’nt wish to have a swimming party held by a group of unknown kids storming my community pool….oh one more thing…if the kids injure themselves or someone else the hoa is responsible not you….

    • Vigilant

      richard, you’ve hit upon it.

      Reminds me of the folks that move into an area around an airport and then bitch about the noise. If one does not agree with the “Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions,” then they may exercise their freedom to not become a part of it.

      Case closed.

      • MJB

        AMEN!!

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        When people move out of the neighborhoods surounding the airports, sell them to the Deaf, open schools that cater to deaf children in the same neighborhoods. If the HOA dosn’t like swing sets let them have a comune for the blinde. There is a simple solution for all you crack pots.

  • chuck

    Best way to get rid of places like these is DON”T LIVE THERE.

    • Buster the Anatolian

      Sometimes you don’t have a lot of choice. Time, budget, and location in relation to work can sometimes force the selection of a place to live and it is not always where you would like it to be. I know I have been there and done that. I was fortunate enough to not live in a place that had such stupid rules as this HOA does.

  • Ricahrd J Gregory Sr.Msgt USAF (ret)

    The State of TEXAS has the most horrendous reputation of HOA ABUSE in the U.S. I remember reading that Texas HOA’s STEAL over 4,000 homes per year from helpless owners. Using trumped up reasons, including the flying of the Americn Flag.it has become a big business and scam. In Texas the corruption starts at STATE level.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      You are 100% right ! I live in Texas 30 miles north of downtown Houston on unrested land , THANK GOD !

    • Vigilant

      “Would you tell me please, Mr. Howard… why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away?” -The Patriot

  • FreedomFighter

    I would tear down the swingset, and sell the place and move to a more free area.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Sell it to the gang bangers to use as a safe house .

      • myrtlesue

        Best answer yet. I live in a neighborhood with a HOA, but unless it’s written in their rules when you signed, they cannot prohibit you from having a swing set on your OWN PROPERTY. The members running the HOA must be Democrats, or Marxists…not much difference. But we still have the constitution and it applies to HOA s as well as to the would be dictators in Washington

      • Vigilant

        myrtlesue, think again.

        “Associations provide services, regulate activities, levy assessments, and may, as delegated by the states legislature, impose fines. Unlike a municipal government, THEY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONSTRAINTS THAT PUBLIC GOVERNMENT MUST ABIDE BY (caps mine). Some of the tasks which HOAs carry out would otherwise be required to be performed by local governments. A homeowners’ association can enforce its actions through the threat and levying of fines, and private legal action under civil law.” -Wikipedia

  • Rocky Night

    I tell my children that I can remember when America was a free.

    *Always bribe the proper officials while asking permission for your swing sets.*

  • Scott in SC

    it is beyond me why anyone would choose to live in a neighborhood with an HOA. Don’t do it.

    • MJB

      it is nearly impossible to find anything in CA that is not in a HOA area. Unless you want to drive 2 hours each way everyday to go to work you are subjected to this mess…

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        I thought California was nothing but a big HOA in the first palce!

  • patriot Higgins

    I would not live in such A place BUT I see nothing wrong with it for those who want to providing all rules are clear up front.

  • Evie

    There is no place left in Texas without HOA crooks! So it won’t do any good. They are everywhere. We need to change the law!

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Not So ! just don’t buy in a subdivision ,

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Evie, My wife and I bought a great house in Plano TX and there is no HOA here. All of opur neighbors take great care of their lawns and have a great looking neighborhood. Jimmy there are no houses on our block for sale, please take your truck south of Dallas or out to east of Dallas, like Balch Springs, they’ll let you park that thing out there.

      • Deerinwater

        I live in a home in a neighborhood that my family moved into new , back in 1955. It was new and nice VA home community and quite an upgrade from the life we knew in rural America. Elementary school at the end of the street, No yard, no grass , just black dirt, lime stone, ancient sea fossils and occasional flint stone that the natives made tools of. Dad’s passing in Dec, marked the passing of the last man stand and the torched has been passed on to me. Now it is I, I’m the old man of the block.

        A lot has changes, a lot of growing and dying I’ve seen in our little blue collar neighborhood of maybe 1200 homes. When people could afford better, many moved on, while some stayed and enlarged. A lot of the homes are rentals now, maybe 20%.

        We never had need of a HOA, while we did have neighborhood watch groups, neighbor hood clubs. We were always a neighborhood that shared common values and dreams.
        Even with today strong Mexican presence of maybe 45%, this common thread hasn’t changed. I’m very impressed with what I see happening in my little neighborhood today. Knowing that when I too shall someday leave, things will be in good hands and it will continue ~ with now very nice school and the end of the street.

        How this all happen for us, I’m not sure, it started with the notion of home ownership and raising a family and be willing to work as hard a you possible can to turn a dream into a reality.

        You need to be among people that share your dreams.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        I am in New Caney Texas 30 miles north of Houston , You fokes in north Texas are to uppity .

        • Deerinwater

          Well? Northeast Texas women are the prettiest women in the world if that’s what you mean. ;-)

  • http://ConservativeVictory2010 Mario Crociata

    Main reason why I left Florida! HOA’s become a tool between neighbor disputes! If one neighbor has a dispute with another and either has a “friend” on the HOA Board, the full weight of the HOA can be brought into play! It is used as a political tool, just like the current occupier of the Whitehouse is using the EPA to bully American free enterprise! When a HOA orders homeowners’ to wash mold off their sidewalks in the midst of a severe draught, that is like giving $500 million to Solyndra! One is a waste of precious water, the other is a waste of precious money that can be used in the Federal budget! Politicians at all levels are competely out of hand and out of touch and proof that power, no matter home minor, does indeed corrupt!!!

    • Flashy

      How can there be mold in a severe drought?

      • http://ConservativeVictory2010 Mario Crociata

        Because the deed restrictions require you have a green, weed free lawn. Even the best sprinkler system leaves a small amout of water on concrete and when those areas are in the shade or under a tree (yes, even a palm tree makes shade), you get a black mold area. As a former concrete guy, that rough concrete that is our sidewalks and driveways will hold any moisture (even a pop up thunderstorm will leave wet spots) and the mold will contrast the white of the concrete and you get “the nasty letter”! Can’t use straight bleach on the mold either because it upsets the flora in the commons and drainage areas and kills the grass along the concrete edge. Not me responding here, but the answers from the HOA! Guess they must all be liberals, cause they always had all the ANSWERS!

      • Flashy

        Please understand…I’m not trying to be argumentative. So the HOA you refer to…in a severe drought…still requires a watered lawn?

        i know the year we had a severe drought, the city placed water restrictions where one would be fined if they watered their lawn. So the HOA would say ‘you’re screwed if you water your lawn and violate city ordinance, and screwed if you don’t?”

        I’d say the HOA Board members would be fined as well since they themselves have to adhere to the HOA enforced rules.

        Easy solution..attend meetings, run for election to the the HOA board.

        • http://ConservativeVictory2010 Mario Crociata

          Easier to leave, as I had a young child and the Florida schools were and are a disaster! Former New Yorker, moved to Florida to get away from the NYC-Metro area and that influence and it followed me to Florida (took 18 years!)! The attitudes, the malaise, the entitlements, the way of life! Relocated to the mid-south and I couldn’t be happier! No HOAs, schools that work (son just got a free ride to a State University @ age 16!), neighborhoods that care, people still make deals on a handshake, local charities both religious and laic (pride in community leads to helping others), good oppurtunities for young people, God fearing (if you are into that) people and an economy that hasn’t been affected by the greed of both parties in Washington! Been here 6 years and it is now starting to change a little, but by the time it gets “NYC-esque” , I’ll be long gone!

  • Bob

    ANYONE who buys a home,where there is a home owners association,is either stupid,or brain dead.why would you let an association of NAZIS tell you what to do.???

  • WhiteTigerTX

    The HOAs are typically staffed by would be dictators that normally would be ignored. They get these positions of “power” and immediately start lording it over the unwashed masses. Trying to counter sue would probably be unproductive and expensive. The courts are usually in the HOAs corner in all but a few cases. This makes for a partnership from hell. Avoid areas under an HOA. They are for people who want to be told what to do because they have no spine to take responsibility for their own actions. I don’t need an HOA to tell me to make my property “match” the neighborhood around me. I try to be caring of my neighbors sensitivities, but there is a point beyond which I tell them to butt out.

    • Flashy

      Hmmm..and if i moved in and decided the front yard would look great letting it revert to scrub brush, and the house would look stunning painted lime green with pink edging….you’d be OK with that?

  • casaugustine

    Prior to purchasing or renting a home in a subdivision always ask for a copy of the rules & regulations regarding the Home Owners Assoication. The HOA that have been established is legally binding just like a contract or lease, there should be a copy of the binding CCR’s that you can read and become familiar with.
    Take the responsibilities to read it yourself and learn the facts. Do so BEFORE signing a contract. If you can not live with the terms & conditions of HOA that can be understandable – move into a neighborhood that agrees with your needs. DO NOT ask someone if you “can do this or you can not do that” and take their word as truth.
    But take the time to research and find the facts, especially legally written facts. If we would all do this prior to signing contracts we would have a lot less fall out, heartache & headaches. HOA can be good, but they can also be a pain.

    I would like to thank this gentleman for his service to our country. I can understand where he and his wife wanted to provide something for his children to get their minds off his deployment. However, if installing the swing set was in violation of the terms of the HOA then this is a separate issue than his service in the military. The woman who verbally told him “it probably wouldn’t be a problem” needs to be addressed.

  • MJB

    Problem is that there are few places anymore that you can purchase that are NOT affiliated with a HOA… Making it nearly impossible to get away from their claws…

    HOA’s also are just there because the city refuses to keep the greenbelts taken care of and want to shift the responsibility onto the HOA’s who oblige the city for the sake of “power”…

    Like unions, HOA’s have outlived their usefulness and original purpose.

  • Jeanne Stotler

    All subdivisions in No. Va. must now have an HOA, don’t know who’s brilliant idea that was. When we build again it won’t be in a HOA neighborhood. We were fine until acertain neighbor moved in and appointed himslf in charge, now no one wants to go to meetings or participate in any activities.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Jaenne you all could take him for a night time in the woods pig hunting ,and let him wear the pig nose and tail . LOL

  • 2WarAbnVet

    It’s odd how so many HOAs become little Soviet Socialist Republics. There must be something genetic to blame.

  • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

    It seems every part of lifes choices has to be given permission to even breath , since the commies got in power. obummer would love to see the whole country governed like a HOA . There is someone in every corner that cant mind thier own buisness but think its thier place in life to run your buisness…

  • RW113

    Now that we have learned the reason HMOs and redevelopment agencies were created in the first place – it is time to eliminate them. Conversion of a nation to totalitarianism doesn’t just start at the top – it must have the micromanaging control in place at the bottom rungs – that was the purpose of HMOs, there is always someone on an HMO wanting to tell micromanage everything in everyone’s life – right down to the color they paint their house, type of light bulb they use, etc. Sound familiar? It is, DNC and Labor Union thugs have been planning the transformation of the USA a long time – these are their foot solders at the micro-community level – already in place. These entities are what makes socialists like Obama think they can easily transform the USA – and D Senators and Governors find no problem in calling for the suspension of voting in the USA, while they work of fixing the problems (i suppose they mean the problem is our Constitution and Liberty of the People).

    Yet, they claim they are private, not Government entities. Query, since the people authorized the various governments of the USA with State and Federal Constitution – what is really the difference. HMOs are authorized with Declarations and amended by vote of members – for all purposes, they are micro-governments and should be bound by the limitations and duties found in the 14th Amendment to the US Consitution. It is time to eliminate HMOs.

    • RW113

      Alright, HOA, not HMO. LOL

      • http://ConservativeVictory2010 Mario Crociata

        Good “freudian slip”! HMOs like HOAs both serve the purpose of micromanaging. One micromanages our health and the other our homes!

  • Another Vet

    HOA’s have been and always were a deal breaker when searching for a house to buy. Knew better than to buy there. I wanted to live in a free society that minds their own damned business.
    Found the perfect place…Out in the country where I can raise my kids, livestock and shoot up the woods and read my Bible whenever I want…but,
    It may be encroached upon if WE don’t look out and STOP the UN’s AGENDA 21 power & property grabs…read up on it by Googling “Agenda 21″ and Read…some scary stuff…!

  • Witsend

    The moral of the story is, “Don’t buy if joining a Homeowner’s Association” is part of the deal!” That is a very sad reality. Also, never rely on someone saying it is OK – Get it in writing.

    • jopa

      When we had this house built 22 years ago we were the first in the development.Before I knew it we had an association that I have had a few run ins with.One time they said I didn’t get my Christmas lights down fast enough so they were going to hire a contractor and bill me, another time I threw together a sandbox made of four pieces of lumber and sand and it had to go.I don’t get involved in all the politics of a HOA however things have let up in the last five years now that they have a more liberal group running it and things have improved vastly.We have out building swing sets, sandboxes and even a playground.It is the people that make a HOA good or not and ours turned out for the better luckily in the end.I could do without them though.

  • ranger hall

    You would think that a Capt. in the Military would understand the Regulations, If you dont like them do not move into the Complex, If you live there and dont like rules try and change them, If you cant change them THEN move.
    But as you can see we just talk about things,WE do not stand up and try to change things. Just ask our Politicians.
    And if he was not in the Military this would not be news. Only people i know that can break the law and get away with it Politicians and their Friends.

    • charles

      Well ranger,,,, did yuu not understand,,,the captain was in Afganistan while you were sipping coffee at the meetings…. it is always easy to condem a man while he is fighting for your freedom……

  • Steve E

    HOAs are definitively not for everyone. When one gets involve in one, in some cases it it like shaking hands with the devil. I would suggest to anyone buying a home to stay away from HOAs. You might agree with the rules in the beginning, but when you get Hitlers in charge at a later time, things can change to the worse. In theory, if everyone stopped moving in HOA neighborhoods, The HOAs would die off. But, of course, that won’t happen. So, in conclusion, if you join an HOA, shut up and stop whining, you did it to yourself.

  • TML

    I’d really love to hear the reasoning behind complaints and regulations against a children’s swing set in ones own backyard, because it seems very ridiculous.

    I very reluctantly have to agree that if it’s in the contract, then there is nothing you can do.

    Moral to the story… read anything your sign completely.
    Personally, I’ll be staying clear of any HOA

    • madmemere

      TML-You’re right and it’s almost as ridiculous as the HOA that tried to make a veteran remove the American Flag from his front yard, last year. With the help of his neighbors, the veteran won – -the flag still flies!

  • http://yahoo Bob

    YOU don’t have to buy there that your right. problem solved

    • Michael

      All of SHEEPLE make me Sick!!! Have you no American Pride? To simply law down and take this GARBAGE is simply sickening!! HOA’s are an absolutely Constitutional Right Stealing mechanism designed to systematically steal away your liberty and YOUR right to do with YOUR property what YOU want all in the name of “curb appeal”! Wake the F*** UP America! We need to abolish this garbage NOW!

  • http://yahoo Bob

    I don’t like people next door that put their dogs in the back yard and never clean up after them let their garbage stack up between the fence an garage park junk cars all over the street an yard with 25 people living in the 1 family home fighting an partying all the time. never mantain their home never paint it. leave their trash cans out all week. never mow the lawen.dogs barking all night. I DON’T WANT TO LIVE IN A 400,000 HOME AN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR IS A DUMP. I think you get the message.

  • Dale

    This is why I like it where I live. When my parents bought this place many many years ago, we got all the rights. That includes mineral rights and all. If you buy a place and don’t have all the rights, then you are asking for trouble. The HOA’s are just a sign of what happens when you buy a place and don’t really OWN it. You just rent it for as long as the neighbors want you there.

    My advice, move. Move to the country. Since he is in the military, he can even set up a private shooting range. A good pile of dirt and a target gets the job done. This old place came with a ready made hill. lol

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

    The moral of the story is that FREEHOLD is the best type of land you can buy even though these days we have to worry about local government Planning Laws and should be a good lesson for anyone paying too much for homes in these controlled housing settlements. Those houses should be valued at a much lower prices for the very reason that they are controlled by thugs in White shirts and ties. If you cant build a playground for your children and then have to go to court to defend a legal suit, then those types of houses are worth LESS. WORTHLESS and i would never buy into them due to the high risk of legal action and restrictions reduce my freedoms. The houses might appear better but the value is less even though the developers sell them for more and fools pay the higher prices.

  • http://yahoo Bob

    I can tell by your comments that most of you never read and don’t understand CC&R’S they apply to all even the HOA BOARD. no one get any money out of the hoa unless they steal it and that why they have a asscc. to over see all action that the board does.I don’t want to live next to a junk yard that the reason I live in a HOA commuity. It your choose.

    • Dale

      I’m planted in the middle of 7 acres. I don’t care what my neighbors do. I got trees all around me and I can’t see what they do anyway. You are right, it is a choice. People need to choose to live somewhere that lets them live happy. Not having a swing set for their kids is silly.

      Oh, if they had sent the info, they would have told them they can’t build it anyway. Same end result. People buy property and then can’t do what they want, even reasonable things like this.

    • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

      I understand what they do; and I understand the purpose they serve. I lived in a neighborhood – just ok neighborhood – nothing fancy; and I’ve heard this kind of story so many times – there are always folks on these boards that have nothing but time to go around measuring, taking pictures etc. I had one neighbor with an odd corner lot, built a lanai, with permission and licenses etc. BUT one of these very petty people on the board came around measuring it – on one side it was 6 inches off where they allowed lanais to be. THEY made him take it down, despite signatures by all of us neighbors. It was lovely – unfortunately he moved. The contracted builder of the lanai had to take it down since he measured slightly off…. It was sad and a waste and now I live on 10 acres and can do what I want without a neighbor coming around checking on what I’m doing…

    • dufas magnet

      So, what your saying is that nobody can control their urge to (in their eyes) better their environment but you.. That in fact you see anyone else as potential slobs if they don’t adhere to a strict neighborhood policy that possibly only you dictate, that no one is capable but you thus if they don’t want to live like you then get out.. You give human beings a bad name horse. But not to worry, there’s no way I’d live next to a snob who wouldn’t let my kids romp in my own back yard, you can count on it.

  • Nancy S.

    Do you really want to live in a neighborhood like that? Did they even go over to help your wife and family at all when you were defending our country? Take your cute swing set to a neighborhood where there are no Nazis. Empathetic

  • Rosemary

    To those who believe HOAs are to prevent multiple families dwelling in one unit, ensure proper trash disposal, and assorted other illegal activities such as quasi daycare or “red light services” (or drug-violent neighbors), umm, no the HOA does not have power over any if that. The HOA is simply to maintain property values (a joke in these times but that’s another discussion). All these things have happened in my development and the HOA can only add their voice to the neighbors in requesting help from authorities. I’ve sat in HOA meetings and heard them say exactly that.

    • Michael

      AMEN!!

  • dufas magnet

    Myself, I wouldn’t think of existing among neighborhood bullies who are intent on stifling my freedoms by dictating theirs. Don’t those idiots understand (in this case) that their not preventing a family from doing something that should be a gimme with young children but preventing children from being children through an antiquated disdain for children. I wouldn’t care if I had to pay thousands extra in order to live away from stiffs like that, for my kids I would gladly do it.. There is no friggin’ way that I would buy a house in a community where I would be compelled to sign a home owners contract.. You buy the house and land, it’s yours.. Anything that would go against the city that you live in is the right thing NOT what your damn neighbor thinks or some stiff neck prude. Singly or as a mob, telling me that I can’t build a swing set for my kids in accordance to THEIR specs.. It just wouldn’t happen. Who knows what type of neighbors live around you.. Who knows when these ‘regulations’ would be changed or added to.. Give me the rural areas and keep your damned hateful rules.

  • http://yahoo Bob

    All they had to do was to send the board a letter letting them know what they were doing. before they put it up IT wasn’t the play set it was the way they did it by not following the rules THAT what they agreed to when they signed the HOA AGREEMENT. The rules apply to all. The CC&R’S go in to the penal codes and the city can fine you for not following them that less that the way it is in NEVADA. CALIF. THEY BUILD 5 OR 6 STORAGE SHADES IN THE BACK YARD AND RENT THEM OUT ALL HAVE CARS PARKED ON THE STREET. WHO WANTS TO LIVE NEXT TO THAT?

  • John

    Come on it’s just a swing set for children to play,there are more important issues in life to worry about sounds to me they don’t get along with their neighbors too bad let the kids play these same neighbors that complain want to stand out there when cameras are rolling when he is welcomed home people are something else get a life people.

  • http://yahoo Bob

    When they bought the house they signed a contract to send a notice of any out side changes and they didn’t do it .All they had to do was send the Board a letter telling them they forgot to do that and the take the notice to each nabor to sign and send it in to HOA but no they want to change the rules to fit them self’s and that when they get in trouble. 99% of the time when something come’s up it the home owner not following the guidlines that they agreed to. There are to many people that buy a home with CC&R’S and then don’t read them then do things their owen way. IF they don’t want to follow the rules then don’t buy there go to another commuity to buy. A HOA Commuity has parks pools and other anmintys this is the way they have the money an rules to take care of them. It no big deal as lone as they follow the guid line to the commuity.

  • guest

    HOA is in your face goverment, how anti freedom can you be ?

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