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Coming In 2012: Target Tehran

January 4, 2012 by  

Coming In 2012: Target Tehran

Target Tehran is a new production set to be released worldwide in 2012. Washington hopes it will be a blockbuster.

The story is of an all-out air and naval assault on Iran by the forces of freedom and democracy: the U.S. Navy and Air Force. It is yet to be decided if the U.S. infantry will be written into the script; but with an unlimited budget, it very well may happen.

Details of the story are undergoing final edits at the Pentagon. President Barack Obama has already signed on to direct the project. Insiders say it could save his career.

(Unfortunately,  Target Tehran will not follow the same plot as its namesake, Target Tokyo. When that film was released in 1945 — narrated by Ronald Reagan who, ironically, would become president — there was no doubt that America was fighting a global struggle for freedom. Many historians have called it America’s last good war.)

The first production, Iraq II, was directed by two Presidents at a cost of $1 trillion. Not since Ishtar has there been a bigger desert bust.

Almost 4,500 U.S. soldiers perished during the making of Iraq II. Another 32,000 U.S. soldiers were wounded. No U.S. agency officially keeps track of the “other side,” but estimates indicate that between 100,000 and 300,000 Iraqis died.

Counterpunch.com describes the Iraq war in a paragraph that reads like a movie review:

In the U.S. narrative — as repeated in U.S. media — this war was waged to prevent Iraq from terrorizing the world, never mind that all the “evidence” was trumped up. It is mind-boggling the notion of killing and maiming untold tens of thousands of Iraqis and displacing hundreds of thousands of them, and for U.S. politicians to continue to invoke notions of U.S. sacrifice and heroic deeds in the same breath.

There were also indirect costs of Iraq II, including a five-fold increase in the price of oil and a declining opinion of the United States. Two generations ago, America was seen as the great liberator. Today, many people consider it the great instigator.

There is no happy ending. Iraq is as far away from democracy as it was during Saddam Hussein’s rule.

Saddam was a ruthless butcher, but that hardly distinguished him as a Mideast ruler. Today, Iraq is being ripped apart by sectarian violence and is on the verge of a bloody civil war.

Such post-production details matter little to the neoconservatives who conceived the project.

Only a few weeks ago did production shut down in Iraq. In response, The Washington Post published this opinion piece by Jessica T. Mathews, president of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace:

The public may also never know exactly why or when the Bush administration made its tragically misguided decision to go to war. Former Treasury secretary Paul O’Neill has said that unseating Saddam Hussein dominated a meeting with President George W. Bush 10 days after Bush’s inauguration — eight months before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Among the many reasons posted — avenging an Iraqi attack on Bush’s father, getting the United States’ hands on Mideast oil, extending democracy across the region — only the charge that Hussein was building weapons of mass destruction came close to selling the American people on war.

Bullets Over Broadway

As misguided as it was for America, Iraq II was embraced by Obama, the second director brought in on the project. Continued work ceased only after the Iraqi government, which owns the lot where the production was being made, declared that U.S. forces could face prosecution for their actions.

It seems almost impossible to believe that the U.S. government, which seamlessly transformed Japan and Germany into rich democratic nations following World War II, could fail so miserably in the Mideast, yet that is exactly what has happened.

Springtime For Hitler

Washington is intent on further Mideast productions. In a case of life imitating art, Target Tehran seems much like Mel Brooks’ production The Producers.

Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton seem as careless as Max Bialystock and Leo Bloom in turning their play into a flop — as long as their careers can be furthered by it.

On the PBS program Victory In The Pacific, the narrator says: “The emperor, who had worried about a rebellion from his subjects, helped ensure his position by posing as their savior.”

I expect the same of Obama in 2012. His re-election looms in less than 11 months, and nothing has proven to be a better prescription for winning than engaging in war. What better target than Iran? Unlike George W. Bush, Obama doesn’t have to lie about weapons of mass destruction. Many Americans are convinced Iran actually has them, and Washington is already in pre-production mode. Consider the recent public relations offensive:

  • In a speech at the 71st General Assembly of the Union for Reform Judaism on Dec. 16, Obama said: “Another grave concern — and a threat to the security of Israel, the United States and the world — is Iran’s nuclear program. And that’s why our policy has been absolutely clear: We are determined to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.”
  • In an interview with CBS Evening News With Scott Pelley that aired on Dec. 19, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta declared that Iran might be only a year away from acquiring a nuclear bomb. “If they proceed and we get intelligence that they are proceeding with developing a nuclear weapon, then we will take whatever steps necessary to stop it,” Panetta said.
  • On Dec. 20, CNN reported that Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said “I am satisfied that the options that we are developing (for attacking Iran) are evolving to a point that they would be executable if necessary.”
  • In a Dec. 21 interview with Israel’s Channel 10, Dennis Ross, Obama’s former Mideast adviser, said: “This is a president who has prided himself on doing what he says, so I think if he draws the conclusion that what is required is to take a certain kind of step, he’s prepared to take those steps. It means that when all options are on the table and if you’ve exhausted all other means, you do what is necessary.”
  • On Dec. 23, former Pentagon adviser Matthew Kroenig’s essay “Time to Attack Iran” was published in Foreign Affairs. Kroenig builds his case that an American assault on Iran should be undertaken sooner rather than later.

Further Irony

Over the holidays, Obama’s Hawaii vacation included a workout at the Kaneohe Marine Base. Later, he hiked with family and friends along the Lanikai Pillbox trail on the Windward side of Oahu, a short distance from Pearl Harbor. Not far away, Obama was likely planning his re-election campaign and the centerpiece of it: Target Tehran.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • s c

    Springtime for Hitler [ala The Producers] was very funny, John. Target Iran is not at all funny. It’s entirely possible that TPTB [ala the world's puppet masters] have found the perfect, universal bad guy.
    As long as it’s a movie, that’s OK.
    If the damned thing ever gets ‘on the road,’ it will get more than interesting, and it will get that way FAST.
    It sounds like the basket case in Iran wants to be a unique martyr. If he’s willing to let everyone else in Iran suffer for his mental problems, there isn’t anything I can do about it. It sounds like a most unusual way to talk to God, only to find out that God does NOT hand out mortal franchises to ‘do His work.’
    Anyone who thinks America has the world’s only religious fruits, nuts and flakes hasn’t considered Iran. Why?

    • Warrior

      Like I have said before, the arabs are just trying to get a seat at the NWO table. And this is what the “arab spring” is really all about.

      • JC

        Do you mean when Hillary stood on the podium and gave us her best jack ass smile and told us all that money we pumped into Egypt’s uprising “wasn’t” to bring them Democracy?
        Nawwwwww, couldn’t be… ;)

    • FreedomFighter

      If you really want and answer to that SC?

      SteveQuayle.com — book named AngleWars

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Ranger 1

      Obviously, Iran is run by a cabal of both secular and religious nut cases, much to the dismay of most of the good people of Iran, and there ARE a lot of good people there; well educated, most of whom know far better what’s going on in the whole world than the average American! Unfortunately, our military, industrial, financial complex, and their hirelings (the vast majority of our politicians – especially the current Republicans) need to continue our “state of perpetual war”, so Iran is stupidly setting themselves up to be our next “victims”. “Target Tehran”?? Heck, you can take that to the bank! It’s a “done deal”.

    • Glen Xx

      Springtime for Obama and stupidity
      Democrats are happy and gay,
      we’re moving Socialism at a faster pace
      Watch out for Pelosi a head case.

      Springtime for Obama and stupidity
      Winter for job growth an liberty
      Springtime for Obama and stupidity
      Marxists go into your dance.

  • AJ

    Obamas puppet masters want this as a reality. Obama will start a war. Or force them into a war!

    • Louis Gurske

      Obama needs to start a war just before years end. I feel he things if he can pull it of that he will be re elected. What a shame this man needs to be voted out office. I feel he knows what he is doing. He wants to bring the U.S. down.

      • Joe H.

        Louis,
        If he truly wants to bring down the US, this just might be the thing to do it. Both Russia AND China have warned us against attacking Iran as they would look at it as an attack against THEM. Conventional wars against some little third world contry in the middle of the desert are one thing, messing with China and Russia is a totally different animal!!

        • clarence swinney

          Joe Know
          Putin warned Israel and USA officials
          “DO NOT BOMB IRAN” Our people arr helping them on civilian nuclear energy”
          Want Fear–No one will tell us–Russia has 200 ICBM each to carry 10 warheads located 7 stories underground. Once in flight cannot be stopped per Pentagon. Hi tech decoys plus low heat emission engines.
          That is why we want missiles in Poland. Hit on launch pads.

          Secretary of Defense William Perry visited the site ‘AGHAST” “AWESOME”

          2 ICBM can destroy every person in Israel in 15 minutes.
          We cannnot retaliate. Just weep.
          ONE SILO CAN DESTROY AMERICA

          Gamble? Bluff? Threat? PUTIN IS DANGEROUS
          Many others have nuclear weapons.Fear of retaliation keeps peace
          Stop being wpr;d Hero. 7000 miles etc
          Hormez–None of our oil goes thru it–Why do we protect Big Oil Profits? Let those who get the oil protect it.

          WAKE UP
          Our only primary source is Saudi Arabia
          Stop Exporting Our Oil. Does anyone here understand that now our Number One EXPORT IS FUEL. Our Refineries get higher price overseas
          Ho! You did not know it! Google it

          • Michael J.

            clarence swinney,
            Russian threats of nuclear retaliation against Isreal are just impotent blustering, they are shooting blanks. They know that any such reply would be M.A.D., as in mutual assured destruction.
            A response, if any would more likely be a half hearted conventional one, just to save face.

            Besides, the state of Isreal is for the most part a Rothschild creation and although it is being dangled like bait, the elites will see to it that no real harm comes to it.

            Remember that Rothschild is not only the Russian mortgage holder, but also sits in the directors chair behind the scenes in this action adventure production.

          • http://unknown barasheet

            Biblical prophesy which has proved to be 100% correct for the last 6000 years approximately says Israel is the last man standing though other battered nations also have a remenant. Jesus Christ is coming back to rule from Jerusalem on the throne of His ancestor david. This is as true as the virgin concieve and bore Him 2000 years ago approx.

            Elam, part of Israel which is in Baesher where the main nuclear plant is, is to become a place for flocks and thus uninhabitted.The Russia too will be destroyed by God on behalf of His chosen land, Israel, Israel has still not got its full inheretance from the river nile in Egypt to the euphrates and thus we may be seeing the prcursory movements to allow this fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.

            I suggest readers have a look at Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39 so as they may begin to see what may be the next future ‘war’ declared by God some 2500-3000 hears ago. Christians look up for the Day of The Lord is fast approaching, not Harold Camps day but The Lords day which is known only by Him.

        • Old Henry

          Well JoeH, we should bomb China and Russia as they already HAVE nukes. Oh, and we should bomb N. Korea as well as they already HAVE nukes. While we are at it we should bomb DC as they already HAVE nukes and HAVE USED THEM.

          • cleareyes

            Who’s kool aid are you drinking?

        • maury

          If you don’t want war, then vote against Romney, Gingrich, Sandstorm, or Huntsman. Vote instead Ron Paul. He is the only one that stresses “Attacking Iran would be an Act of War, with us as the aggressor.” That should be the very last resort. This would most certainly start WWIII. Where every one looses. I can’t believe they would be that stupid. We would be at fault. You should know that Israel, Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, China, and Russia all have nuclear bombs, none of them have dared attack us nor any other nation, directly. They are saber rattling just like all of the rest have done. Just what makes you think Iran is any different?

          • cleareyes

            Because Jimmy Carter the DumRat let them get way with it!

      • Mary

        That’s right. Another war ensure re-election. Masses will never learn.
        We are at the point of no return.

        • Mark Are

          Sadly, you may be correct. check out the THRIVE movement dot com.

          • Karolyn

            “Thrive”, an excellent movie and must-see for EVERYONE! Find parts or even the whole 2 hour movie on YouTube or Vimeo. It keeps getting taken down. http://www.thrivemovement.com

        • Old Henry

          Little Barry reminds me of Mel Brooks in “Blazing Saddles” where he played the territorial governor. He wore a long black coat with “Gov” painted on the back in white. He and his henchmen sat around the office and he bounced up and down declaing “Gentlemen, we must protect our phony baloney jobs!”

          That’s Little Barry and his “Cabinet”. Rather than “Gov” on the back ofhis black coat it says “Prez”.

          What a bunch of sorry ass loosers we have running our ENTIRE government.

          • JeffH

            :) LMAO!

          • Deerinwater

            No Henry, The winner runs the nation the losers whiny about it.

          • JC

            Gee Deer…in this case wouldn’t it more appropriate to say the winner runs the nation…into the ground?

          • NC

            Don’t you just love how the last two Republicans did? If you don’t like the bushes either take a look at the Vegas odds on getting a libertarian! Ain’t going to happen!! SO IT’ romney if he doesn’t spin his head off or Obama or take your passport and go else where.

          • JC

            NC no one is taking their passport and going anywhere.
            Americans will fight for America ON American soil.
            What you don’t get is that being a Libertarian isn’t about
            party affiliations, it’s about Principles.
            (you can look that up)
            The same Principles that were held by our Founding Fathers
            and the Constitution. (maybe you’ve heard of it)
            And as long as you represent the opposition,
            there’s no reason to run.

        • cleareyes

          I would rather die on my feet than on my knees.

      • Amy D

        Even the current and previous defense ministars of Israel say that Iran is no threat to them, and they don’t need America “protecting” them. This production is as big a scam as Bush’s unwarranted invasion of Iraq. If we don’t find a way to get rid of Oblammer before he sets off another useless war we will find outselves further into the status of a third world country, closer to a Hitler-like fashist-communist profile, and beyond redemption as a free and honorable country. Dr. Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate who can see this. If you keep poking a stick into anyone’s eye, sooner or later he will poke back with a bigger stick! While we’ve been making every effort to curb schoolyard bullies, we have been setting them a federal example to follow.

        • http://unknown barasheet

          Funny you mentioned Hitler. Chamberlain the Prime Minister had a meeting with Hitler pre second world war and saw no threat but that did not stop world war 2. Churchill saw it and navigated the Brit thu the war and ‘luckily’ Japan attacked America which brought the sleeping giant into the fray.

          The Leaders of Iran have an entime theology which says in a time of Chaos the 12 imam, The Mahdi, will arrive to kill all Jews and Christians, He will get rid of all crosses and all pigs. Their false Jesus, Isa, will help the Mahdi to do this by slaughtering the Jews and Christians. This is an exact photo negative of what the true Word of God says.

          The Iranian president is also on record to say that Israel is to be wiped off the face of the map and that the Great Satan America is also to be done away with. Now you tell me If you had a next door neighbour who is Phycotic threatening to kill your children, grandchildren, animals , and yourself and has shown tendency to do this what would you do. Make no mistake a nuclear Iran is a threat to America and every other freedom loving nation on planet earth more so than Russia and China because they, the radical muslims dont have a MAD probe in their thinking. allah will save them and if not the misogynist have 72 virgins waiting for them.

          Ps to my first comment I meant Elam is part of Iran not Israel

      • dfinch

        If he starts a war before election day he will be gone. Everyone is tired of war no matter what the circumstances are.

        • Karolyn

          That’s my feeling. However, as evidenced by some people posting here of late, there are many who are of the “Wipe them off the face of the earth.” type.

          • Earl

            Before all you war hawks go off the deep end about “wiping Israel off the map”, Please read the text between the double commas, paying particular attention to the [triple asterisked] section. I have repeatedly posted this tidbit, but everyone still insists otherwise. A clear case of “cognitive dissonance!!”

            “”It was reported a week ago that the UN International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) released a report that argued that Iran may have been attempting to build nuclear weapons based on the fact that it had computer models of a nuclear warhead, in addition with other information. On the matter, the report itself states Iran conducted computer model studies and the like, but gives no conclusive damning evidence.

            This has led many to argue that Iran is in fact attempting to build a nuclear weapon. What many fail to realize is that not only does the UN report not state the Iran is attempting to build a nuclear weapon, but also the fact that the UN report may very well be biased due to the head of the IAEA’s ties to the US and also that this report could be used as part of a media war for the US-NATO-Israeli alliance to wage war on Iran.

            The UN may seem like a neutral organization, but in reality, it can be influenced by outside forces. An example of this is with the head of the IAEA. It was reported last month by The Guardian that a cable released by Wikileaks stated that the new head of the IAEA, Yukiya Amano, “was solidly in the U.S. court on every key strategic decision, from high-level personnel appointments to the handling of Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program.” [2] In addition to this, when Amano had his first post-election meeting with the US, the Americans came away with the notion that the meeting “illustrate[d] the very high degree of convergence between his priorities and [America's] agenda at the IAEA” and that the coming transition period would “[provide] a further window for [the US] to shape Amano’s thinking before his agenda collide[d] with the IAEA Secretariat bureaucracy.” The fact that the US had plans to shape Amano’s thinking should make one wonder how much influence the US had over him.

            The US and Israel could be using this report to argue that their countries should go to war with Iran. However, the information could potentially be false as it was noted by Russia Today that the UN “has found no smoking gun, but has succeeded nonetheless in hyping up fears that Iran is continuing its research on nuclear weapons” (emphasis added) and that the information could be false as
            some, like former CIA officer Philip Giraldi, have grave doubts about the value of the IAEA report.

            “I would be very skeptical about this report that is coming out from the International Atomic Energy Agency, because the IAEA doesn’t really have any intelligence capabilities of its own. It is relying on reports that are coming from other people. I would rather suspect these reports are coming from the US and Israel,” says Giraldi.

            The precedent of US intelligence presenting false evidence to build a case for the war in Iraq raises alarm bells as to the accuracy of the atomic agency’s latest report on Iran.

            “You may have a piece of evidence of some kind, but that piece of evidence is subject to your interpretation,” Giraldi says. “When they saw aerial photographs in Iraq showing certain things, they interpreted those photographs to mean something which was not correct.”(emphasis added)

            ***The possibility that the IAEA report could be using false information is quite possible as the US-NATO-Israeli alliance has been looking to invade Iran for quite some time and has been waging a media war in support of this objective. One major example being the myth that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stated that Iran wanted to wipe Israel off the map. This proved to be completely false as Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran’s first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini that “this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time” just as the Shah’s regime in Iran had vanished.

            He was not making a military threat. He was calling for an end to the occupation of Jerusalem at some point in the future.(emphasis added)***

            While this was proven to be false, war hawks in America and Israel still used it as an argument of Iranian aggression. However, the current situation is quite dangerous as Israel may be making moves to bomb Iran, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu arguing with his Cabinet for Israel to take such an action. In addition to this, the British military is currently “stepping up their contingency planning for potential military action against Iran amid mounting concern about Tehran’s nuclear enrichment programme” as the British Ministry of Defense thinks that the US may go ahead and strike key Iranian facilities via missile strikes and that Britain will unconditionally support the US. Despite their plans, however, the war mongers may find it difficult to achieve their goals as Russia recently stated that it would “do everything possible to prevent a military strike on Iran and push forward political dialogue on Iran’s nuclear issue.” “”

            Reference the whole article at:

            : http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27669

        • Deerinwater

          oh! it pure horse hockey!

          Relax, No war today, no war tomorrow.

          Conflict, posture, skirmish, Sure !

          A few rounds fire, a few rockets, surgical assaults, possibly.

          We paid top dollar for top of the line military and we will use them to make our will know.

          The US Military is like a high balling coal train, any ties, you lose.

          • Earl

            OUR will, right or wrong, eh? You do realize this has the potential to trigger a WW III scenario, don’t you? If not, what rock have you been under?

            Such jingoistic chest pounding is A. presumptuous,B. arrogant,C. not likely to progress as you present it. Not to mention downright stupid and ignorant.

      • http://yahoo JAN

        Does He know that they will retalliate in a way that will kill millions here in AMERICA. HE IS A TOTAL IDIOT IF HE THINKS HE CAN PULL THIS OFF.

        • Firefly

          Many of the elites would like to reduce the world population. The inferior food being fostered on all the world will do it in time but a real war of WWII caliber (now with nukes) would do it a lot quicker.

          • bob

            You said a mouthful. The Elites like Ted Turner, Kissinger, and many others have made no secret of wanting find a way to reduce the number of ‘usless eaters’. Our old friend of yesteryear, Jaques Questeau,(spelling) was one of the first I knew of who wanted to reduces the world population by 90%. They would like to make the world a more easily controled place with themselves at the pinnacle.

        • FIREBARAKHUSSEINOBAMA

          This POS does not care about the american people. he just got done building his new bomb shelter at OUR WHITE HOUSE WITH OUR MONEY. Why do you think is is doing this now with IRAN…

    • wandamurline

      They are going to use Iran as the starting of Biblical Armagedon…that way they can say that the Bible has predicted this, and soon the rapture will happen. Obama and Clinton are two of the devil’s advocates who want to “rule” instead of represent and both are as corrupt as they come…if we can get to November 2012, we can kick their cans down the road and have a real chance to get control of our country again according to the Constitution. These people are the crazies…power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Pray for our country…God Bless America.

      • DaveH

        Good choice of words, Wanda — “rule instead of represent” — and so true.

        • Old Henry

          DaveH, on a lighter note being a “numbers guy” I thought you might enjoy this guy. (I see a future for him as an IRS auditor)

          http://www.wimp.com/excitingmath/

      • http://wolfpack2012.net JThaddeustoad

        Wanda ….. There will be NO rapture this premise is a result of the many misinterpretation of a book that so many claim to know but do not listen to the instructions therein…. What we in the US can count on is JUDGEMENT if do not change our ways and four more years of BHO will be just be the beginning…Europe will deal with Iran when the time comes we will not be able to because the turmoil we will have on our shores ….Israel is already makeing its bones with Germany ….This is going to be an exciting year and a very dangerous one..

        • Mary

          That’s history. Germany it’s getting ready no doubt about it. They are the Boss in Europe. They are tired of their broke neighbors in Europe at the end they are Nazis.

          • Karolyn

            Where do you get that from? As far as I know, they do not even allow the swastika to be shown anywhere.

          • Joe H.

            Yes Karolyn, we all know how you feel about the Germans. They are ALL so good. Did you happen to see the news lately about the mother and son from Germany? The mother was running a house of prostitution here and on the run from German authorities on numerous crimes and the son, after Mom was arrested for deportation, started burning cars and other structures in california!! They caught junior just yesterday. such good people!! Karolyn, there are very bad people no matter WHERE you go!!

          • libertytrain

            Yep Joe, not all that different. It is an illusion of the grass is always greener in a place we’ve not lived in… And the graffiti I saw last time I was there in September did in fact include some swastikas. In fact there’s a lot of graffiti these days; gangs, etc…all the same stuff we have, drug overdoses and on and on. But you could drop me in the Black Forest and leave me…

          • joe H.

            libertytrain,
            Oh, believe me, I’m not sayin it’s not a beautiful country. I spent the better part of three years over there. wurtzburg, kaiserslautern, Simbach, Hanou, All very friendly and beautiful places. I was just trying to open karolyns rose colored ees to the fact that there’s bad no matter WHERE you go. I even found some beautiful places and people in Nam, but I wouldn’t want to go back, I think I’d have some problems with that.

          • libertytrain

            Joe – I don’t think I could comfortably go to Vietnam or even Thailand, still after all these years. I have Jewish friend that travels the world but she can’t bring herself to go to Germany.

        • Bryan V.

          Contrary to popular belief, a pre-tribulation event of believers being caught up to meet the lord, aka. the Rapture, has been taught for centuries. Ever since the teachings of Christ.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmDOsrcXscU
          http://www.mayimhayim.org/Academic%20Stuff/Pre-Tribulation%20Rapture.htm

          The word of God hasn’t changed. It still talks about the Lord keeping us from the hour of temptation that will come upon the whole earth. Now, everyone ought to be prepared for tribulations in this lifetime. God doesn’t prevent us from experiencing wrath at the hands of man, however, God will prevent those who trust in him from experiencing the wrath of God.

          Christ experienced the wrath of God as the penalty for us being sinners so we wouldn’t have to. To state that believers will not be raptured and that we will experience God’s wrath is to also say that the sacrifice of God’s son on the cross was not enough. God would be unjustified to make someone else pay a price that was already paid.

          For those who do not believe in Jesus, then God is justified in coming to collect that price from them. We must all pay for being a sinner. We cannot expect to go to heaven once we die, without settling this debt with God. You can try to pay it off on your own, but that will not be enough. Only by accepting what Christ has done, can this debt be paid. Thank God that he gave us such a simple way to pay an incredible debt. Accept the truth and believe in Jesus. We don’t have to ‘do’ anything to earn our salvation. It is a gift freely given, but ultimately must be willingly accepted.

          • John S

            Hey, Bryan. Bless you brother, but get your facts straight. A pre-trib rapture was NOT taught or believed in until the Pope ordered a Jesuit priest in the 1200′s to come up with another explanation concerning prophecy. He did this to stop people from associating him with the Antichrist and the Catholic church with the Beast. If you read your Bible carefully (use your Strong’s concordance!), you will find NO secret rapture, NO semi-second coming of Christ, and NO reason to separate the 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy from the 69th week. Read Matthew 24 CAREFULLY: Christ makes it clear! The current accepted “interpretation” of Biblical prophecy is a red herring made to deceive, if possible, even the Elect.

          • libertytrain

            John, here read this if you feel like it. http://www.theologue.org/origins.html

          • Thomas A. Wathen Jr.

            The Rapture

            “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” – Luke 21:36

            “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethern, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which remain alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall desend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” – I Thess. 13-18

            “Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?” – I Cor. 15:51-55

          • Thomas A. Wathen Jr.

            All we can do is try to tell ‘em brothers and sisters. When all of a sudden we’re all gone, they’ll know what happened. Then the only choice they’ll have will be to wash their robe in the blood and go into hiding. It’s been reported that in a resent poll, 75% of all Americans identified themselves as Christians.If the rapture were to happen today, I’d be totally in awe if 75% of church members, not to mention the general population of the United States, would be present at that great meeting in the air. (I Thess. 4:16-18) Do You know what the Olivette Prophecies are? Before entering Jerusalem for the last time, Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives and told the Deciples for the third time what was going to befall Him. They just weren’t getting it. But He told them not to worry because He would come again. When asked what would be the signs of His return, He gave them these prophecies. (Matt. ch.24, Mark ch.13, and Luke ch.21) Luke ch.17 also touches a little on the End-time Prophecies. Along with many other Old and New Testament prophecies. Study them! Know them! Memorize them! Is your lamp trimmed and burning? (Matt. 25:1-13) Because if you’re not looking up, (Luke 21:28) you surely to God must be blind!!! (II Cor. 4:3&4) Jesus is coming everybody!!! I pray that you’re ready! If you’re not, you may pray a prayer similar to this: “Dear God, I know that You love me. I admit that I’m a sinner. Please forgive me for my sins. I place my faith in Jesus as my Savior and Lord. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus’ name I pray. Amen.” If you prayed that prayer and meant it with all your heart, know for a certainty that it is impossible for God to lie! (Rom. 10:13) This is what it means to be born-again! (John 3:3) Go find yourself a church, forget about a perfect one, they don’t exist. Surround yourself with Christian friends, they won’t be perfect either, that’s why we need Jesus! Emmerce yourself in Gods’ Word so you’ll know how to fight off ole’ nick. (Eph. 6:13-18) You’re in the Army now, soldier! And now it’s your job to bring as many lost sheep back into the fold as possible. (Matt. 5:14-16) What?! Did you think it was going to be easy? (II Tim. 3:12) But to those of you who, for whatever reason, don’t reach for the lifeline now and find yourself on the other side of the Trib, it’s a win/win, whether you die for Christ or suffer to the end as long as you accept Jesus and DON”T TAKE THE MARK, you’ll be with us in paradise. But why go through all that?!!

          • Joe C

            What the U.S has been doing and getting away with for the past decades has actually come home to roost in its homeland. We lost our freedoms, Respect, and now our economy. Unfortunately there is no sight of change ahead and things could get very different here in the U.S and so much that most people would rather live in a country like Germany or any other country that has kept themselves at distance with Americas Foreign Policies. Watching the Media propping up all these Pro War Candidates is going to be the reason why this country is going to fall like the Roman Empire did.

          • John Hunter

            Bryan V.
            So nice to learn of you, my brother. Very good post.
            Allow me to comment on what you said about:
            “To state that believers will not be raptured and that we will experience God’s wrath is to also say that the sacrifice of God’s son on the cross was not enough. God would be unjustified to make someone else pay a price that was already paid.” To say that Christians will
            experience God’s wrath is also to call God a liar, because we are not
            appointed unto wrath.” I Thess. 5:9; 1 Thess. 1:10; Rom. 5:9.
            To me the surest Biblical proof of the Pre-Trib. rapture is the fact
            that God could not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until He got Lot and his family out, even though Lot was carnal and should not have been in Sodom. The Angel had to take him by the hand and practically drag him out. Reminds of how I like to refer to the rapture as “the
            Grand Ripoff”, the time when God will “rip Christians off” because
            they are delaying and not ready to go.

        • bob

          ‘The dead in Christ will rise first, then, we, which are alive and remain shall be caught up togther with them to meet the Lord in the air’ What patrt of this don’t you understand?!!?

      • NC

        Clinton and Obama want”to rule instead of represent”. For another President who serves 8 years as effectivly as Clinton, I would give up my front seat in H*LL and sit in the back on a nail keg!! When compared to the economic wreck and dumb wars that bush left us Obama is not doing badly either> See job loss figures of bush’s last months and the Dow falling to 6547>

        • DaveH

          Do you think it’s just coincidental that the Dow hit its low after Obama won the Presidency? The Rich Investors know what they’re doing.

          • NC

            DAVE CAN YOU READ A CHART? FIND YOURSELF A CHART OF THE DOW BEGINNING FROM OCTOBER OF 2007, 15 MONTHS BEFORE OBAMA TOOK OFFICE AND WATCH THE DOW BEGIN TO FALL SOME 6000 POINTS BEFORE OBAMA TOOK OFFICE AND ON DOWN TO 6547 IN THE NEXT 40 DAYS! DO YOU THINK THAT JUST MAYBE THE REASONS FOR THE FALL STARTING IN 2007 MIGHT JUST BE THE SAME REASONS IT CONTINUED TO FALL AFTER OBAMAS WAS WORN IN?? I’LL BET THAT MOST ADULTS HERE WILL SEE THE CONNCTION! THERE IS AN OLD SAYING THAT “WALL STREET LOVES THE DEMCRATS’! DO YOU WONDER WHY THE SMART MONEY LOVES THE DEMOCRATS> IT’S THE DEMOCRAT RECORD> SEE ” BULLS, BEARS, DONKEYS AND ELEPHANTS” GET ME SOME REPUBLICAN OR LIBERTARIAN FIGURES TO MATCH THOSE FIGURES!! NO REPUBLICAN (CONSERVATIVE) HAS EVER COME UP ANY FIGURES TO MATCH THEM! A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF “WHY” IS WHEN BUSH CHANGED THE CLINTON APPROACH WITH “TRICKEL DOWN”, PROMISING A SURPLUS BUT PRODUCING MORE DEBT !!CLINTON STARTED WITH THE DOW AT 3500 AND IT WAS 10,591 bush’s first full day in office and headed to 6547 when he left! 200% INCREASE under Clinton and 40% LOSS under bush!

          • DaveH

            Yes, I do. Do you, NC? Here you go Ignoramus:
            http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI+Interactive#symbol=%5EDJI;range=5y

            And quit yelling.

          • DaveH

            Note the steep slide just weeks before Obama won the election. By then people who know already knew the probable outcome of the elections. Rich people don’t get rich by being dummies.

          • DaveH

            If the Democrat Socialists have even a clue, NC, why do suppose those countries at the bottom of this list (those with the Biggest Governments) have such weak economies? Do you think it’s just an improbable set of consequences?
            http://heritage.org/index/ranking

            One day, you ignorant Socialist followers will wake up and realize you’ve been had. It’s too bad it can’t be sooner than later.

          • Thomas A. Wathen Jr.

            “Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you. Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” – James 5:1-8

        • clarence swinney

          -CLINTON PRAISE-WITH PLEASURE
          GDP–rose from 6300 to 11,600
          NATIONAL INCOME-5,000 to 8,000 Billion–took 20 years to grow 2500B before Clinton
          JOBS CREATED–over 22 million–record by far—record 237,000 net new jobs per month. Bush followed with 31,000 lowest since Hoover.
          AVERAGE WEEKLY EARNINGS–$360 to $478
          AVERAGE WEEKLY HOURS WORKED–never hit 35.0–hit that  mark 4 times in 80′s
          UNEMPLOYMENT–from 7.2% down down down to 3.9%
          WELFARE TO WORK—11,533,710 on federal roll in 1996 and 3,880,321 in 2007.
          MINIMUM WAGE–$4.25 to $5.15
          MINORITIES–did exceedingly well-His increase in Earned Income Tx Credit lifted millions of low income adults and families out of poverty annually.
          Clinton philosophy“If you work hard, play by the rules, you ought to be able to live a decent life”.Thanks Jesus.
          HOME OWNERSHIP–hit all time high
          DEFICIT–290 Billion to whoopee a SURPLUS
          DEBT—-+30%—300% increase over prior 12 years
          FEDERAL SPENDING–+28%—80% under Reagan- who da true conservative?
          DOW JONES AVERAGE–3,500 to 11,800  all it’s history to get to 3500 and Clinton zooms it
          NASDAQ–700 to 5,000—all of it’s history to get to 700 and Clinton zooms it
          VALUES INDEXES– almost all bad went down–good went up in zoom zoom zoom
          FOREIGN AFFAIRS–Peace on Earth good will toward each other—Mark of a true Christian–what has Bush done to Peace on Earth?
          POPULARITY—highest poll ratings  in history during peacetime in  AFRICA, ASIA AND EUROPE even 98.5% in Moscow–left office with highest gallup rating since it was started in 1920′s.
          STAND UP FOR JUSTICE–evil conservatives spent $110,000,000 on hearings and investigations and caught— ONE— very evil man who took a few plane rides to events.
          BOW YOUR HEADS–Thank you God for sending us a man of Bill Clinton’s character, intelligence, knowledge of governance, ability to face up to crises without whimpering and a great leader of the world.
          THANK YOU GOD FOR THE GOOD TIMES THE CLINTON YEARS.

          • JeffH

            You people and your Clinton surplus garbage…never was any surplus under Clinton…you know it and I know it! Jeesh, and you’re ‘sposed to be a proffessional…sheeple?

            Not once during the Clinton Administration did the national debt go down, nor did Clinton leave President Bush with a budget surplus that he spent at a frat party kegger. Yes, the budget was almost balanced in FY2000 (ending in September 2000 with a deficit of “only” $17.9 billion), but it never reached zero–let alone a positive number. Clinton’s last budget proposal for FY2001, which ended in September 2001, generated a $133.29 billion deficit. The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration.

            Clinton did not achieve a surplus and he didn’t leave President Bush with a surplus. Only in Washington can you use these accounting principles and not be convicted of accounting fraud under Sarbanes- Oxley aka; also known as the Public Company Accounting Reform and Investor Protection Act of 2002.

          • duaner

            You can thank a republican congress for a lot what clinton was supposed to have done. He does not deserve the credit for all of this. Especially in his second term being distracted by his dalliance with Monica Lewinsky. (I did not have sexuall relations with that woman). Which we all know was a outright lie. Don’t build up this persons reputation. He came into office a crook and went out of office as a richer crook. Like they all do. Again Clinton is not responsible for all the good things that happened during his eight years. Congress had more to do with that.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Truth is Clarence, Bill Clinton raised taxes more than any president in history. He sold our technology to China. He cut our military and intelligence in half and left us vulnerable for the enemy to set up and pull off 9-11, and there isnt a doubt about that. Not even arguable. He sold our jobs to Mexico, and he defiled the office of the President of the United States. He weakened us before our enemies, and left us a laughing stock after he let them bomb the USS Cole and did nothing, and the first WTC center basement bombing, and he did nothing. He was offered Bin Laden, and again, he did nothing. He set up the bank collapse with his American dream of everyone being able to buy a house, by taking federal money and telling the banks that old Uncle Sam would back their loans, and to lend to anyone, even if they didnt have a snowballs chance in hell of paying it back. Then geez, things look funny, and Bush calls an investigation, only to be turned down by the appointed watchdog, Barney Frank. Thank Bill Clinton and his democrat cronies for the bank collapse also. The guy was a leper, the worst example of a president we have ever had. And he left us in a major recession pal. Did you forget that? And he left us naked to our enemies, with a plundered military and intelligence agencies, which lead to the bad intel that led us into Iraq in the first place. Again, all the fault of one William Jefferson Clinton, the leper. History is telling the tale, and as more and more time passes, this guy is getting exposed over and over again for the jerk that he was. And dont forget, he even tried to steal the furniture on the way out the door. What a hillbilly.

          • independant thinker

            “And dont forget, he even tried to steal the furniture on the way out the door. What a hillbilly.”

            Don’t you know thems fighting words boy. Quit insulting hillbillies that way. Clinton ain’t nothing but po white trash.

        • Jim

          If you could cite some substantive policy success of Obama, it would be nice. He did select the right option in the opportunity regarding OBL; however, his silence on the waterboarding resulting in the key information for this opportunity was deafing. He has without question failed in the private sector job environment with his taxpayer spending by “stimulus” going to unions with “no shovel ready” jobs. All anybody has to do is check the radical people within his administration. What movie could possibly salvage such a discredited administration?

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Virginia

          You seem to forget that the democrats were in power the last TWO years of Bush’s presidency! THEY determined what happened in those two years!

          • NC

            Virginis, have you ever asked yourself WHY the American people put the Democrats back in power after 12 years of REPUBLICAN congressional control and 6 years of bush. Could they see the economy getting weaker and the failure OF the trickle down to produce the PROMISED surplus? Their first major legislaton was to give bush the stimulus money that bush came crying for SO THINGS MUST HAVE BEEN GETTING VERY BAD> IT WASN’T THE FIRST MONEY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAD PUMPED INTO HIS DYING ECONOMY!

      • scott

        Wanda, also pray for the rest of the world too!

      • Alex Frazier

        I don’t know how successful we’ll be come November. Do keep in mind that only one Republican candidate is against going to war with Iran. The rest all want military action to prevent Iran from getting what it doesn’t have and that there is no evidence they even will. So if war with Iran is a potential cyclical turning point in the freedom and prosperity of the United States, then we are in for a real inflationary ride no matter who gets in office … unless it’s Ron Paul.

        But, they say, his foreign policy of “stop antagonizing other nations and try peace and diplomacy” is “dangerous.”

        On a good note, if Obama takes us to war with Iran, I will no longer have to consider that aspect of the campaign with the current crop of candidates. Up until now, I wouldn’t have voted for anyone but Ron Paul, because I didn’t want to vote in someone that would take us to war without good cause. But if we’re already at war when the election comes, I can weigh the other merits independently. I still prefer Ron Paul, and I have every intention of voting for him in the South Carolina primary. However, I will have less issue voting for someone else in the general election if Paul doesn’t get the nomination, due to the fact that the war will have already begun.

        I still don’t like Santorum because he voted for the Patriot Act. So I don’t care what sort of momentum last night got him, he’s still on my sh1t list. BUT, he’s definitely the lesser of two evils if he gets the nomination. Nevertheless, I’m not happy with his betrayal of his oath.

        • DaveH

          Rick gets a B- from gunowners.org.
          Rick Santorum is a Social Conservative meaning you can expect him to continue the Religious War against those who engage in Victimless Crimes.
          And he’s a lawyer. Need I say more?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You said the magic word Dave. Lawyer. They are all lawyers, and that is why our political system and our legal systems are all corrupt and fouled up. Lawyers.

        • Karolyn

          I recently saw or heard that he wants to into Iran.

      • Mark Are

        I make the effort to share this information because it gives me, at last, a plausible answer to a long-unanswered question: Why, no matter how much intelligent goodwill exists in the world, is there so much war, suffering and injustice? It doesn’t seem to matter what creative plan, ideology, religion, or philosophy great minds come up with, nothing seems to improve our lot. Since the dawn of civilization, this pattern repeats itself over and over again.

        The answer is that civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been built on slavery and mass murder. Psychopaths have played a disproportionate role in the development of civilization, because they are hard-wired to lie, kill, cheat, steal, torture, manipulate, and generally inflict great suffering on other humans without feeling any remorse, in order to establish their own sense of security through domination. The inventor of civilization – the first tribal chieftain who successfully brainwashed an army of controlled mass murderers – was almost certainly a genetic psychopath. Since that momentous discovery, psychopaths have enjoyed a significant advantage over non-psychopaths in the struggle for power in civilizational hierarchies – especially military hierarchies.

        Behind the apparent insanity of contemporary history, is the actual insanity of psychopaths fighting to preserve their disproportionate power. And as their power grows ever-more-threatened, the psychopaths grow ever-more-desperate. We are witnessing the apotheosis of the overworld – the overlapping criminal syndicates that lurk above ordinary society and law just as the underworld lurks below it.

        During the past fifty years, psychopaths have gained almost absolute control of all the branches of government. You can notice this if you observe carefully that no matter what illegal thing a modern politician does, no one will really take him to task. All of the so called scandals that have come up, any one of which would have taken down an authentic administration, are just farces played out for the public, to distract them, to make them think that the democracy is still working.

        Continued:

        www(dot)whale(dot)to/b/callahan1(dot)html

        • Richard Pawley

          Most just call it the fight between good and evil and that has been going on since long before humans lived on earth. In fact it is what has caused the destruction of most civilizations throughout the universe (that have developed nuclear weapons).

      • mahry

        we Iranian love America and Americans as they are the champion of freedom and liberty.
        but unfortunately the criminals and enemy’s of humanity have hijacked the American government for the last 100 years ,not only killing humans all over the world but killing there own people by poisoning water and vaccinations and other known and unknown ways .
        Iran have never attack any country for the last 350 years and pose no treats to any country, unlike USA they are the biggest sponsors of terrorists in the world .
        I hope that American weak up before is to late and realize how criminal there government is .watch out for another false flag attack orchestrated by CIA
        is before

        • Firefly

          Are you saying that all the hundreds of thousands of Iraquis that Iran killed in recent wars was because Iran was attacked by Iraq and not the other way around?

      • Richard Pawley

        I’m no expert on this but some here are believers don’t believe in the rapture while others do. However, it is much like the Bible Code (not the Divinci Code which is fiction). There is a lot of evidence but one doesn’t HAVE to believe in it, AND it is dangerous if it’s a substitute for living well and growing in the spirit (the real purpose of life). Sadly it seems like it always the Democrats who get us into war (WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam – the current one is an exception). If we were allowed to use our own oil we wouldn’t have to be over there to begin but with the Democratically supported EPA we cannot so it would seem that more war is inevitable.

        Additionally many things have to happen before the rapture if there is one. The comet or asteroid hitting the ocean that John saw in a vision and recorded in Revelation, and a host of other things have to happen first. (Think “Deep Impact” – the movie – on that one, if you are really interested. I recorded in my autobiography how the Spirit of the Lord told me in 1998 as I sat in the theater waiting to see the movie, that “One day, something similar, to what you are about to see, will happen”.)

        In any event we would be wise to prepare for the really hard times that are coming, the big inflation, and even food shortages. Even the atheists and elitists who think they are above such things, will be affected. We who are believers need to grow closer to God so we will not be swept away in the all that is coming or fearful. I know of no one that God has told, “if you do this I will spare the USA or the world” but of course, we need to pray for the congress and the president that they will do what is best, and not just what is expedient. God has, however, warned many in dreams and visions and out right verbal wisdom of what is coming.

        Yes, it will be a taste of His righteous judgement. What we do with those warnings is up to us but I have tried to warn others, though I’m not very good at it. My advice would be to try to live your life so that even atheists will want to know what you have that they do not. God loves them as much as you and me and the coming hard times may last for a long time until the country or the world returns to righteousness (on that I can only guess) but even here the Bible gives us some idea. Israel was led into captivity for 80 years! Things are speeded up in our times so hopefully we would learn our lesson sooner. May God bless you and all who read this.

    • jimmy the greek

      Obongo masters are the zionist , look at who was his right hand man the first two years rom to good to serve in our army but served in the army of israel ,

    • Flashy

      OK AJ. let’s see. Bush/Cheney lied us into Iraq…supported by the craming angry cadres of the Right. Sammy was not a good guy by any stretch of the imagination, but we had him bottled up and controlled. But the Right screamed, ranted, raved, and called for supporting the lies which were out and out blatant and unprovable. Heck…even daring to ask for proof was considered by the Right to be jailable time.

      And what was Sammy to iran? Sworn enemies. No love between ‘em. Sammy would have freaked out had he been faced with a nuclear Iran. So Bush/Cheney conjured up the lies, told the minions what to think, and went to war despite the majority of Americans saying ‘wait a second here..something is not adding up”.

      So Bush/Cheney and the wacked Far Right strengthened Iran. Immeasurably so. Fact is, Bush/Cheney were either grossly incompetent, or they did it deliberately.

      We now have a full fledged “silent war’ going on with iran these past three years. Hacking computers, shipments disappearing before they arrive, sudden disappearances of kety scientists, electrical outage at key times etc. And increasing tightening of sanctions.

      To the point this ‘silent war’ isn’t exactly silent amongst the international community. Not when iran tries to knock off the Saudi Ambassador in the US as retaliation for what we, GB, and Israel are doing.

      So…instead of complaining…suggest something. What would you do? .

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Cinton said Saddam was a madman with weapons of mass destruction. John Kerry said it. Howard Dean said it. The other Clinton said it. All the dems said it first. All the dems voted to go to war. The president cannot go to war, without congressional approval, well, that is until Obama went to war with Libya without it. But again, all the dems cried he had to be stopped, and they all voted for war against Iraq. So stop your Bush illegal war lies. Just stop it. Its pathetic.

        • NC

          How many inspection teams had been in Iraq since bush took offiCE(1/20/01) before the invasion in 3/03 and what had they found as WMDs. The same thing 1,000,000 troops walking over the country found in the next6 years! NOTHING.How many flyovers and spy satelLite passes had occured and what had they found? NOTHING! CONGRESS MAY DECLARE WAR BUT ONLY THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF CAN SEND IN THE TROOPS.What did the chump-in-chief KNOW FOR SURE that made Iraq a big enough danger to get 4500 killed and 30,000+ seriously wounded? NOTHING!!!

          What was in either resolution that demanded that bush invade before he was positive of his “reasons’ NOTHING!! Even if the people who voted for the resolutions assumed the reasons existed did they not have the right to assume that the ivasion would be carried out in a profesional manner? Properly researched which obviously wasn’t done and properly ececuted which was so bad that even bush and cheney apologized for it! “GREET US WITH CHOCOLATES AND FLOWERS” MY BIG FAT BUTT!!

          • independent thinker

            “How many inspection teams had been in Iraq since bush took offiCE(1/20/01) before the invasion in 3/03…”

            How many of those inspection teams were allowed to go anywhere they wanted when they wanted without any delays…ZERO. They were supposed to have instant access to any site they wanted to inspect but at best had to wait weeks before they were allowed into any instalation. A lot can be concealed or moved in weeks. We know Sadam had WMDs because he used them on both his own people and the Iranians.

          • Flashy

            Try again IT. Sammy let them go where ever they wanted to. They had sudden flight changes to see if they could catch him at shuffling the deck. Nothing. Remember bush saying ‘we knew where they were’ but refused to tell the UN Inspection team?

            BTW..Congress authorized the use of sufficient force to do whatever was necessary to protect against Sammy….they did not direct the military be used. The choice was left to Bush/Cheney.

            And the Religious Right and ignorant who later made up the TP swallowed the lies.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            You try again flashy pants. I remember numerous news reports about the inspectors being made to wait and having to turn around and come back at Saydum’s convienence instead of being allowed to inspect when they wanted.

          • Dennis48e

            I only remember reports of how the inspection teams were turned back from different sites they wanted to inspect. As far as the satalite coverage mentioned, we did not have satalite coverage 24/7/365 over Iraq. There were significant gaps in the coverage that the Sadam used to move things around (the Scud missles are one example).

          • speedle

            Get off the missing WMD story NC. As previously stated every swinging ding dong in Washington (including most Democrats) thought there was WMD and went along with the invasion idea. That said, who knows if whatever WMDs were in Iraq were not immediately (upon the start of war) shipped off to Syria or some other dirty little oasis in the middle east?

            In any case it is an old and tired smear with no meaning. The biggest mistake made by Bush was Bush 41′s failure to finish the job in the original war. And we should have had an “oil for protection” deal worked out after that.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I know that teams from the United Nations went in there before Bush, and had an inventoried list of WMD’s that were supposed to be destroyed, but never were, and just like Houdini, they disappeared. Gee NC, you dont supposed Iran, or Syria or Libya or Somalia or someone like that would take them and hide them from us do you? No way, those guys are just misunderstood nice guys. Right? Gimme a break. And dont forget, before Bush was even a candidate for president, before he was a candidate, many a democrat stood high on his pedestal and yelled to the country on live TV and live radio, that Saddam Hussein was a mad man with weapons of mass destruction and he had to be stopped. I witness this many, many times. Bush was not president when I first started hearing this stuff. They all voted for the war. They all pushed for it. Then they turned around and ran and acted out against it like the traitors they are. Of course, thats just the truth. Dont be afraid of it.

        • eddie47d

          Stop trying to put a pretty bow on the Iraq War Beberoni. It wasn’t justified then and it isn’t now and no matter how you try to tie that bow it is still Bush’s War.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            No sir, it is the war the democrats intentionally sabotaged in their vile efforts to make the whole thing collapse after we leave, and they will get their way. Ive talked to way too many guys that were there, and the difference was night and day from when the Obama admin came in. They set purpose to screw it up. You know it was bad news for them if it all followed through to be a peaceful end, where all the middle east wanted peace like Iraq could have had. It was bad business for the democrats if it succeeded. It was death for them. But hey hey, if they could make it all collapse, they could get out their little soap boxes and continue to point their fingers, and say look what Georgie caused. Look at all the lives and money he wasted for nothing. All in order to make themselves look like a better party to vote for. It makes me sick. All those young people gave their lives, just to have politicians do what they have now done, and sank the whole thing. Yeah, thats what I see, and thats what I hear from those who were there. But I assure you, when it all falls down, and it will because the democrats have taken the steps to make sure it falls, its not going to make them look good. Its going to make America look bad to the world. Thanks democrats. Thanks a lot. Bush wasnt perfect, and I know many of you hate him, and hate the fact that he was willing to punch back at these guys, but you can only stick your head in the sand so long, before the sand around you starts to get disturbed by the shrapnel exploding around you. Does anyone even remember 9-11. Have we that easily forgotten. I havent, and I wont. Its not time to sit around the camp fire and sing kum-baya all day. They are still there, and the still hate us, and they will be coming after us again. There is no doubt about that. All of you can hate war and think we dont need to fight anyone, but we will be fighting this on our soil soon, if we choose to sit back and do nothing. Some say, leave them alone and they will leave us alone. If you seriously believe that, you will awaken one day and find out how wrong you are. Do you just let them keep blowing up thing after thing, building after building, and pretend its just a few guys, and that there arent regimes and countries in the middle east behind it? Come on man. I want someone to tell me what we are supposed to do, besides sit around and wait for them to come get us and start lobbing nukes at us. Because when they get them, oh yeah, they will use them. There is no doubt about it.

          • Karolyn

            All blame cannot be placed on democrats. Repubs & dems are all the same.

        • Mark Are

          The president isn’t supposed to go to war WITHOUT A DECLARATION of WAR. Not “congressional approval”. Oh, that’s right, they don’t follow the pesky Constitution any more.

        • http://yahoo JAN

          blame bush THEY ARE ALL ABOUT BLAMING SOME ONE ELS..The Dems like to go to war. This action Obummer is calling for is the most ridiculiuos one yet. He has put us 3 WARS since he came in ofice.
          He want his MUSLIM BROTHERS to take over america and this is how he will do it. GOD HELP AMERICA IF DO NOT GET RID OF THIS MUSLIM SOON.

          • NC

            Jan you people have Muslims and Muslim conspiraces on the brain> When you have something you can prove bring it on. Do you people sleep under the bed every night? I have never seen such paranoia as appears on this sight? You people can see two butterflys having sex and it is PROOF that the Democrats are conspiriring to invade the US with butterflies. get real>
            “I had rather be governed by a competent muslim than an incompetent Christian.”

      • DaveH

        The question is, Flashman, since you imply that you’re against the wars, why aren’t you expecting the same moral behavior out of Obama that you expected out of Bush?
        Is it because your Principles change depending on who’s in office?

        • DaveH

          Or is it because you don’t have any Principles?

          • Flashy

            in what way am I contradictory? We had Iraq bottled up pre Cheney/Bush/fear-led Right. Sammy was well in hand. Then Cheney/Bush manufactured evidence, misled Congress, had their cronies pay a few off…and the sanity went out the window.

            I have not spoken against the “silent war” because it is what we need to do thanks to Cheney/Bush. Folks who say nothing is being done are those who desire all out war. Obama is dealing with the cards dealt by the GOP and the fear led minions ,mouthing what they are told by the Right.

            Obama knocked off bin Laden, Qadaffi is gone as is Ben Ali. Yemen’s President is for all purposes gone, Mubarek is gone. Assad is holding by a tenuous thread. 80% of al Qaeda leadership are pushing up flowers. Seems to me without war Obama has done a darn good job nailing supporters of terrorism. Far more than Bush/Cheney…who created al Qaeda, strengthened it, and lightly slapped it a few times for PR sake.

            So Dave..what would you do with Iran? Send them a birthday cake?

          • DaveH

            Flashman, don’t insult the readers’ intelligence. Anybody, who takes the time to read enough of your comments, knows that you are just a Big Government shill. Your flip-flopping Principles would embarrass Mitt Romney.

          • Flashy

            No answer eh Dave? Hmmm…Mises must not have a web link covering this for you. You have no idea what has been done, haven’t bothered knowing what is being done…yet you think you can complain and someone actually listens? Isn’t that sort of like making up something and saying it’s legitimate when no one else considers it close to legitimate..ala’ “Austrian Economics”

            BTW…have you ever read some of the stuff you link out as ‘authority’ supporting your view (or attacking someone else’s?) most of the time it isn’t even relevant to the point you wre trying to make.

            Now…who’s the shill?

          • eddie47d

            Although the Republicans and some Democrats did poke and prod Iran in stirring the hornets nest before Obama was elected. Obama now needs to lead by example in avoiding any confrontation with that country. Flahy is correct in saying the Republicans started the ball rolling but that doesn’t mean the Democrats have to follow like lemmings. A Republican warmonger is no different than a Democrat warmonger. To stop this freight train we need to lay off using terms of coward,appeasement or saying this is in the best interest of our country. It’s not worth it no matter who is in charge.

          • JeffH

            That’s correct eddie “A Republican warmonger is no different than a Democrat warmonger”…but to think Obama is any different(speaking of warmongering) than Bush is purely naive. The Obama administration has made it pretty clear that:
            1. screw the states and the American public, I’m the head master and I’ll use whatever I have in my arsenal to get my way

            2. screw the Constitution, I can circumvent the constitution with EO’s or just ignore the Constitution completly and let the courts sort it out

            3. war is now good because I say so – Libya, next is Iran, Afghanistan/Pakistan, Syria and in Obama’s own words: “U.S. forces will deploy into Uganda, South Sudan, the Central African Republic, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo.”

            Obama should have listened to his own anti-war 2008 talking points but then again, he’s a lying community organizer and a faux politician just like his predecessors.

          • JeffH

            Hear Hear! eddie…”It’s not worth it no matter who is in charge.”

          • DaveH

            As I’ve said before, Flashman, anybody who reads the posts will know you have no credibility. So, Please, Keep on posting. You are the poster boy here for Liberal Zealots.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH dribbles under the boards, leaps and WHAM WIDDA RIGHT HAND!!! Flashy shakes his head in regret!!!

          • cleareyes

            Thats why they call them RATs

      • Lastmanstanding

        Take a moment to reflect and look at all of them…

        They all want power and they all want money…war is the easist way for politicians, the huge corps and the BANKERS to get both…they really don’t give a damn right or left…they use those that have a cause to get what they want.

        Same way they need a right and left to wage war…2 sides to finance…2 ways to profit…a win win situation and a great way to reduce population…it would only satisfy them more if they could kill us of faster.

        • Sirian

          HERE, HERE!! Isn’t it disgusting that the convenient idiots, useful idiots can’t see this? I already know the answer to that question LMS, I already know.

        • Mark Are

          Watch the documentary, “Thrive”, it lays it all out in spades. Bankers in control of energy, money, health, water, land, well anything they can buy with their created out of thin air money we are dumb a$$ed enough to use.

          • Lastmanstanding

            One small instance in a community near me…

            The Carlyle Group (google them) just bought the water co. that supplies one of the most leftwing cities in the US…the libs just let it happen in fact “supported the sale.” Why? because they get all of their left f$#%^%g wing free money from the bankers and huge corps that run the govt that steals it from those of us that STILL have businesses and STILL pay taxes. The big righties simply told the big lefties to go play or we will take your “funding” away…an the big lefties did as they were told.

            TO THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK THAT YOU WILL BE LIVING LARGER BECAUSE YOU VILLIFY WORKING PEOPLE LIKE ME, YOU ARE FULL OF S&*T…THEY “USE” YOU NOW FOR YOUR VOTE THAT DOESN’T REALLY COUNT. WHAT WILL THEY DO WITH YOU IF THEY SUCCEED?…THEY WILL MAKE YOU THEIR “MINION” IF YOU ARE LUCKY.

            SINCE YOU DON’T WANT TO WORK AND BE PRODUCTIVE NOW..THEY WILL MORE THAN LIKELY JUST ELIMINATE YOU…YOU ARE THE “WORTHLESS EATER” THAT THEY ARE TAKING ABOUT.

            REGULAR PEOPLE LIKE ME AND MANY OF YOU THAT WANT TO LIVE FREE AND BE LEFT ALONE ARE THEIR BIGGEST THREAT…

            I am getting sick and f#%^&*g tired of paying for everything…and there are millions more JUST LIKE ME…I’M STAYING AND THEIR GOING!

            I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…

            “DON’T GO DOWN WITHOUT ONE HELLUVA FIGHT!!!”

      • DISPENSER

        Defense Personnel Transport Uranium Ore Out of Iraq
        By Jim Garamone
        American Forces Press Service

        WASHINGTON, July 7, 2008 – Defense personnel have completed the transfer of 550 metric tons of Iraqi uranium ore to Canada, Defense officials said here today.

        The Iraqi government asked the United States to help transfer the yellowcake — as the ore is known — from Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center near Baghdad to its buyer in Canada, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said today.

        The military dubbed the movement Operation McCall, and it ended July 5. DoD’s portion of the operation involved the transfer of the ore.

        Yellowcake is a uranium ore that can be processed to become nuclear fuel. State and Energy Department personnel also participated in the transfer.

        Officials transferred the uranium by convoy from Tuwaitha nuclear research facility to a secure location in Baghdad’s International Zone, Whitman said. The ore was in 110 shipping containers. The shipping containers were placed aboard Air Force C-17 Globemaster III airlifters and taken to an intermediate location. It took 37 sorties to transfer the yellowcake.

        At the intermediate location — which Whitman could not name — the ore was loaded aboard the SS Gopher State, a Military Sealift Command ship, which took it to Montreal.

        “This was material that was discovered when we initially went in to Tuwaitha,” Whitman said. “It was under the control of the United Nations International Atomic Energy Agency since that time.”

        Whitman stressed that yellowcake is not of direct use in a nuclear weapon. “It is a commodity that is traded routinely in the global nuclear energy sector,” he said. “It can be used as a feed material for nuclear weapons if a country has access to the necessary fuel technology.”

        The cost of the transfer was $70 million, and the government of Iraq will reimburse the United States for a portion of the cost, Whitman said.

      • AJ

        Flashy,
        Realize that Bush/Chaney did do it deliberately under the same puppet masters as Obumf_ck. Do away with the Rothchild dynasty and the problems of the world might have a chance at being overcome.

    • skip

      What nonsense, guys. The Iraq war was started for absolutely no good reason by W and Cheney and ruined a nation, and that nation – Iraq – was a foil to Iran and a threat to no-one else. Now we have to pay the price for that idiocy. Iran is a nuclear threat and a threat to world energy supply disruption. Now we have one hell of a mess, and Obama has to deal with it. The world told us not to adventure into Iraq but we stupidly and with manipulation blundered in, converting French fried to freedom fries. The world now is uniformly aligned against Iran’s threats, which are real and are known. To call Obama a war-monger is the height of mendacity – the Bush administration brought us into 2 humdingers which we had/have no chance of winning, did nothing to fund them except to help bankrupt the nation.

      • chiefg

        Please read Manchurian President.

        • Flashy

          Fits Bush to a “T’ doesn’t it. Now how do you explain the mindless robots of the Right who supported his policies and denigrated those (including calling the treasonous) who dared question that insanity

          • JeffH

            Give it up Flashy, give it up…who cares anymore except maybe you and a few other stragglers hanging around. It’s all about the here and now and has been for quite some time now but that thought kinda threatens your reason for being here doesn’t it. Can’t you see that your beloved O’man is as much or more of a warmonger than Bush/Cheney and they’re being manipulated by the same group of masters? Is that too far over your head to understand?

          • Joe H.

            JeffH,
            Flashy’s point of attack is to try to create a chasm between the voters here at PLD so we will be at each others throats and not agree that Abummer is the cause of our problems NOW! He is doing absolutly NOTHING to rectify the problem of the budget, the economy, or the value of the dollar. As long as he continues his “do nothing” term, we will languish in major debt and turmoil!!!

          • JeffH

            Joe H., Flashy is like the “white noise” that is in the background…after a little while you don’t even notice him…LMAO!

      • greg

        You say the wars that Bush started bankrupted our nation? Did you ever notice what our national debt was when Bush left office and what it is now? Obummer has quadupled our debt since he’s been in office. And now it’s OK to go to war with Iran since Obummer is going to lead it. You say Europe is on our side. We have been warned by other countries such as Russia, that if we do, we are declaring war agaisnt them. Wake up you stupid liberals. Obummer has walked all over our constitution in several ways, such as going to war without Congress’ approval, making several new laws that are against the constitution, etc.

        • skip

          Our current president had to deal with the horrific mess that was dealt him – two unfunded wars, Wall Street gone mad, a population that had no restraints on spending what they didn’t have, and a bunch of crazies in the Congress and Senate who believe in one man rule – one filibustering idiot after another preventing even appointments to the Printing Office. That mob should be sent to Leavenworth and allow the country to be governed. The biggest bunch of know-nothings, do-nothings, hate mongers ever assembled in a governing body. Obama is center-center right in the political universe, so far from a socialist or marxist that it is laughable to suggest that. I guess you consider Medicare and Social Security socialist and Marxist as well, also stop lights, speed limits, the FDA, and the FAA. About time for you to live in the desert or backwoods where you can avoid these threats, and gun down park rangers if you are unhappy.

          • Joe H.

            OH, I see your train of thought skippy!! It’s wrong if the population spends out of control, but it’s ok if the president and the government does it!!! Thank you, it’s so much clearer now!!! NOT!!!

        • mark

          No, get your facts straight, the national debt was around $11.5 trillion in Sept. 2009 when Obama submitted his first budget for the fiscal year which began Oct. 1, 2009. Today the national debt is $14.8 trillion. Obama did not quadruple the national debt. Bush doubled it from $5.5 trillion in 2001 to over $11 trillion in 2009. Reagan tripled the national debt from 900 billion in 1981 to $2.6 trillion in 1989. Obama will in all likelihood double the national debt to around $22 trillion. He will not quadruple it.
          By the way the best deficit president of recent years was the hated Bill Clinton. He inherited a nat’l debt of around $4.2 trillion and when he left office it was $5.5 trillion an increase of only 30%. In fact in his last 3 years in office, Clinton actually had some annual surpluses that began paying the nat’l debt down. But Bush immediately stopped this with his endless wars and tax cuts, returning us to our horrible debt slide – DURING A TIME OF RELATIVE PROSPERITY 2003-2007 – NOT DURING A MONSTROUS RECESSION 2008-2011.

        • Joe C

          Rep & Dem are in bed with the special interest that use our military for personal gains that have nothing to do with Nation Security. people are so ignorant and accept the propaganda feed to them through the media. This country has been falling economically for decades and it will fall further, with Obamma, or a Romni .

      • Vigilant

        I doubt that GWB ever thought his nation-building exercise in Iraq would fail, but we’re right now on the cusp of discovering just how big that failure will have turned out to be.

        It was not democratic ideals that kept the lid on Iranian aspirations, it was the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein that maintained the balance of power so necessary to bottle up Iran.

        The military adventurism in Iraq has accomplished just the opposite of what was intended. The political weakening of Iraq has given Iran the opportunity to expand its influence, and I believe it’s just a matter of time before Iraq comes under the hegemony of the fanatics in Teheran.

        Thomas Rick’s excellent book “Fiasco” lays out the frightful scenario as follows: all it would take to embroil the M.E. is an Iranian excursion against the Sunnis or the Kurds in Iraq. Saudi Arabia and other Sunni nations would be brought into the conflict as a result, and the carnage would be historic. Even Turkey could take a hand, possibly in league with Iran, to put down the Kurds whom they so roundly hate, and who sit on the richest oil resources in Iraq.

        The footholds already established by Iran via its surrogates Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad have almost encircled Israel. You can have no doubt that Iranian operatives are active in Lebanon and Syria. For Israel to remain out of the picture in such an embroilment is difficult to imagine.

        Such is one of several scenarios, but the bottom line is clear: our military adventurism in Iraq, rather than serving to strengthen that nation, has merely divided it so someone else can conquer it.

      • Mark Are

        The only nuclear THREAT to the world is the USA. Ask the Japanese. Who else has ever nuked another nation?

        • Vigilant

          You might want to get a more appropriate screen name….like “Mark Are Dumb.”

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Well truth is, the two humdingers you talk about, had this war won, had it under control, and had peace coming fairly quickly, until, wow, enter Obama and the democrats. Now the democrats could not have this go well, as it made the republicans look good, and they would never get a vote, so they did their dirty little deeds, and they turned the tides of war. Look at what is happening already. Nice job Obama. You guys got what you wanted. But it doesnt make you look good like you thought. Those of us paying attention, think it is disgusting that you think that little of the American lives lost over there, to make it all in vain and let it collapse on purpose for your political advantage. Its going to get exposed, and it will catch up to all you democrats soon. Real soon. Shame on you.

        • Mark in LA

          Didn’t they say the same thing for the first 5 yhears of Vietnam – that we are winning or victory is just around the corner?

          • libertytrain

            we were till the media launched it’s campaign to create a new mood in this country of disdain for supporting our soldiers. Read up on it. Plenty of good info out there…

    • patricia

      A war in 2012? I wouldn’t put it past him. But this time when he does, he will not be relected, like FDR.
      Please God, shine a light on Obama’s intentions. I fear that he, Obama, will do it.

  • http://comcast JimBob

    I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, that libtards would use the word “Target” in any planned offensive. Don’t they regard the word target as offensive (i.e. Gabriel Giffords, Palin’s reference to a demorat candidate being in the crosshairs, etc)? This has to be tongue-in-cheek as the world’s most fearless leader would take eons to decide to attack Iran (he’s delayed the Keystone pipeline till after the 2012 election afterall). John Bolton said the window is closing on the time to attack Iran but I just don’t see it happening, although Israel should give it deep consideration. As should other Arab states who know the dork in Iran is a card-crrying lunatic…

    • Vigilant

      JimBob writes, “John Bolton said the window is closing on the time to attack Iran but I just don’t see it happening, although Israel should give it deep consideration. As should other Arab states who know the dork in Iran is a card-carrying lunatic…”

      I foresee no boots-on-the-ground invasion of Iran in the cards. You may see a naval engagement around the Straits of Hormuz, and most likely an Israeli surgical strike on Iranian nuclear sites, but that’s about as far as it will go. The US has insufficient funds/troops to do anything along the lines of all-out invasion.

      The military mavens long ago recognized the futility of invading Iran. It’s land area is about 5 times that of Iraq, and its terrain is prohibitive to classical conventional war operations. Moreover, the American public is so fed up with our adventurism in the M.E. that I doubt either Congress or the prez would consider such a tack.

      • Alex Frazier

        One might be inclined to think that would be the case. Yet, the primary reason folks are against Ron Paul as a candidate is his foreign policy, which aligns itself appropriately to our financial capabilities and available forces. We don’t have the boots, and we don’t have the bucks. But no one wants Paul because his realistic foreign policy is “dangerous.”

        • Mark Are

          Whatever happened to the concept that if you hit me, I’ll hit you back? It was CALLED SELF DEFENSE. Since when are we so high and mighty that we can run around the world and punch people in the face and expect nothing back in return? If I was any other small country on the PLANET I’d want a big a$$ed nuke to put in my basement so that I could tell the USA…you punch me, I’ll punch you back. I might be able to only do it ONCE, but I am still going to punch you back. Will all you morons who think that you are so much above the rest of the world go climb under a rock??

          • Vigilant

            “Whatever happened to the concept that if you hit me, I’ll hit you back?”

            That idea perished on August 6, 1945.

  • Michael J.

    Stop all the crap and cut to the chase. Mass media and America’s political drones are gearing up to the next target of Rothschild’s dictator round-up. Now that America is in the bag, efforts are being focused on the last NWO holdouts, Dictators like Saddam Hussein, Hosni Mubarak, Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, Moammar Gadhafi, Bashar Al Assad and finally Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Rothschild’s dilemma is how to convince such individuals to relingquish power to a one world government when these dictators feel they own the land, the people and all the natural resources contained within their borders? How do you buy such people, who are in some cases as wealthy as those who sit at the Bilderberg round-table? The answer is you don’t, you instead over-throw by any means possible and then replace them with maleable politicians who are easily purchased in a smoke screen known as the spread of democracy now showing in a theatre of war near you.

    OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!

    • Russell

      Exactly!

    • Lastmanstanding

      MJ…right on…no fed or central bank of rothschild in iran and the previously mentioned countries…

    • Vigilant

      “…you instead over-throw by any means possible and then replace them with maleable politicians who are easily purchased in a smoke screen known as the spread of democracy now showing in a theatre of war near you.”

      Sorry, it doesn’t wash. You can bet your bottom dollar that the Muslim Brotherhood, Hesbollah, PLO, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Al Quaeda, et. al., will never accede to the phantom NWO “malleability” you speak of. In fact, it was precisely the powerful dictators like Mubarak and Quaddafi who were better candidates for such foolishness.

      If anything, the turn of events in the M.E. has been decidedly AGAINST the cultivation of NWO interests, if they exist at all.

      • Michael J.

        Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dhorn, and Code Pink among others were the instigators behind the uprisings in Egypt, Tunisia and Syria with Obama’s blessings. And the family Rothschild has their hand up Obama’s back.

        • Vigilant

          Provide some proof, sonny, proof.

          • Lastmanstanding

            http://www.sonsoflibertyacademy.com 48 hours of proof for free…

            the internet is full of proof and conspiracy, do your own research… make your own decisions and preparations.

          • Vigilant

            Sorry, Lastmanstandng, that link tells me nothing. You can’t even get info from it unless you provide an e-mail, and it’s a crass begging for donations.

            Further, it asks the following questions:

            “I guess the real question is, what would you do if the next American Revolution started tomorrow?

            Would you answer the call?

            Would you leave your comfortable world to step into the unknown?

            Would you do the right thing when everyone is telling you, “don’t do it”?

            Would you sacrifice your life so that others can have a shot at living?”

            That kind of talk is no doubt on the radar of Homeland Security, as it should be. Probably just opening the link put me on the list, and I don’t appreciate it.

          • Vigilant

            Dean Koontz, in “Strange Highways,” says,

            “A lot of psychotics are very susceptible to symbolism. They live in a different reality than ours. In their world, everyone and everything has secret meanings. There are no coincidences.

            “A…sociopath…might see demons and angels masquerading as ordinary people. He believes cosmic forces are at work in the simplest events. His world is the place of constant high drama and immense conspiracies.”

            Probably a more than accurate description of the tendencies of conspiracy theorists.

          • Joe H.

            Vigilant,
            you have to watch the sites some of these guys put up. One that coal miner posted about six or seven months ago made my computer flash “danger of virus”!! I’m now real careful of whose sites I open!!

          • Lastmanstanding

            Sorry that you were scared away so easily…clicking the Ghandi link would have gotten you in for free…

            Apparently you can’t appreciate anything…living in fear must suck

          • Michael J.

            Vigilant,
            The comments I post on this forum are derived from research and careful evaluation tempered with my own life experience and shade-tree understanding of human nature. While my views are often unprecedented, I stand by them.
            You have a right to disagree and voice your oppinion, that’s what’s known as debate.

          • JC

            Vigilant says:

            January 4, 2012 at 3:06 pm

            Provide some proof, sonny, proof.
            ___________________________________________________________________
            You sound just like a Liberal which is unusual for you.
            Since when does a seemingly intelligent person like yourself become completely unable to research anything on their own?
            You want some leads?
            Try “America: Freedom to Fascism” by Aaron Russo for starters.
            Then read: “The Creature From Jekyll Island”
            The research: Meyer Amschel Bauer and Prince William of Hanau.

            Once you begin to understand the history of the Rothschilds and Central Banking you just might start to see the big picture.
            But for sure, nobody is going to be able to impart “months” of research and education to you in a couple of paragraphs.

            Do some homework.

          • Vigilant

            JC, you may be right, but I’ve seen so many wild and conflicting claims about the NWO conspiracy that I am skeptical about it all. That there is a group of super rich people in this world that want to maximize their financial power goes without saying. That they want to take over the world is a stretch of imagination. And, given the so-called record of assassinations of political leaders, as well as the alleged fomentation of virtually every world political upheaval, tell me what power would we mere mortals have against such a steamroller.

            Along the lines of conflicting statements are the claims that the Arab Spring is some kind of outgrowth of NWO planning. Can there be any doubt that the dictators originally in power were more “malleable” than the Muslim Brotherhood stooges who will eventually take over those countries? Does anyone seriously believe that the mobs in Egypt, Syria, Tunisia and elsewhere gave a damn about Bill Ayers and Co.? Or that imposition of Sharia Law conforms to the aims of the NWO?

            Conspiracy theorists, and those who purposely agitate them, are having a field day. But they are “true believers” who will deny every piece of hard evidence that doesn’t fit in with their neat theories. The 9/11 theory, for example, is so shot full of holes, on both a logical and evidential basis, that no truly sane person could deny the voluminous contradictions to it on a number of levels.

            NWO is blamed for EVERY crisis, EVERY upheaval, EVERY military action, and EVERY consolidation of central government power. I choose to believe that the changes in the human condition are attributable to scores of factors unrelated to the neat classification of every evil thing under the umbrella of NWO puppeteering.

            As for “information” sources, we see every day tremendous mis- and disinformation that’s out there in print and on the web. My recommendation to the theorists is to apply some logic to what they are being spoon fed, and to get away from the “pro” sites and hit a few debunking sites that can offer a more balanced view of the world, if one is as open to the conflicting “information” as they are to the allegations made on the conspiracy sites.

          • JC

            Vigilant says:
            January 6, 2012 at 9:59 am
            JC, you may be right, but I’ve seen so many wild and conflicting claims about the NWO conspiracy that I am skeptical about it all.
            _____________________________________________________________

            Understandable. Which is why you need to form your own opinions from your own analysis. By dismissing all claims of conspiracies you are doing yourself a disservice. Certainly there are a great many fronts on which the NWO are making their advancements. So many in fact that it is impossible to follow them all of put everything you hear into a cohesive train of thought.
            My approach is not to confuse or concern myself by trying to analyze absolutely everything I hear or read. I “try” and see the big picture and identify the most important factors working against us. The rest is collateral and designed to distract.
            To me, the single most important tool the NWO/Globalists have is the ability to control currencies by way of Central Banking Cartels.
            Without that, and as long as we remain very well armed, they would be powerless over us.
            I know you have probably heard about the UN initiative: Agenda 21 and like many you may have written it off as too horrific to have any basis in fact…but it is fact. And they aren’t even trying to hide it. Combine that with the verifiable presence f over 800 FEMA camp locations and we’ve “theory” way behind and we are now aware of a Clear and Present Danger to We the People.

            Keep some powder dry. ;)

    • Sirian

      Absolutely!!

    • AJ

      Michael J
      You hit the nail on the head! Lay the blame at the feet of the responsible ones. The house of Rothchild.

    • Mark Are

      MY EYES ARE WIDE OPEN! We either are going to be SLAVES to the 1% or have a world of FREEDOM for the other 99%! Which is it going to be folks? WAKE UP AND SMELL THE KOOLAID BEFORE YOU DRINK ANY MORE!

      • Michael J.

        Mark Are,
        Knock yourself out! Try uccupying one of the Rothschild families many palacial mansions. We’ll all watch for you on the news.

      • JC

        Do you include the Government in your 1%?

  • T-Texas

    This will not get him reelected people are starting to wake up that he is not constitutionally eligible to be president.Go to WND and read the post there.

    • Louis Gurske

      Don’t be so sure. There is people in are town that have their heads so far up you now what that he can do now wrong.

      • Alex Frazier

        Bro, if I had to live in a Liberal town, I think I would lose my mind. I openly, and even rudely sometimes, criticize the few Liberals I run into down here in South Carolina. In recent times, we’ve been being invaded by Yankees from New York, Mass, Illinois, and similar places. The cost of living for them up there has gotten so out of control that they come here where our cost of living is about 1/4 what theirs is. And when they come, they bring all their Liberal ideas with them.

        It apparently never occurs to them that their politics is the reason the cost of living in the north is so damn high. When you give hand outs to everyone, create government jobs for everything, right down to scrubbing toilets on the Union tab for $20 an hour … it inevitably leads to unsustainable debt. The only solution is to raise taxes and add new ways to collect funds through fees, licenses, permits, etc. And the end result is a higher cost of living. It’s not an accident that New York and California are so expensive to live in.

        But we don’t do a lot of that nonsense here. We have programs, surely. But it’s nothing like the north. Except that those f*cktards are bringing their mentality down here.

        So when I hear a Liberal spouting their trash, I’m very vocal in putting it in its place. If I lived in a town rife with Liberalism, I would truly go mad.

        • Karolyn

          Alex – Where I live in SC there are actually quite a few native liberals. The cost of housing and taxes might be lower here, but food costs are higher than up north. Also, it’s precisely jus because of the good ole’ boy network here that nothing much is going on in this state. In some of the areas near this county, the powers-that-be want no change at all – Keep the peons down.

          • libertytrain

            karolyn what do you call the good ‘old boy network’ in Chicago, New York, New Jersey and on and on in just about EVERY city however large or small in this country….
            Taxes are lower here, home prices are higher where I live than in some areas of the North – perhaps lower in your part of SC – things vary ever so much depending where you visit whether it is the South, the North, the West or the East. Including food prices. Some things are less here some less up North.
            You really need to travel more.

          • Karolyn

            liberty – I really am not a stupid as you think I am and am well aware of those points you made. I really don’t care to travel. If it were not so expensive, I would not mind going back to Jersey – northwest. Many of the points I make are carried by many of the people who are native to this area. That’s what I base my perceptions on. If they’ve lived here their whole lives and tell me something, why should I doubt them? I have never been faced with the conditions I come across here, although, of course, I am aware that the exist elsewhere.

          • JeffH

            libertytrain, I live in Commiefornia which has no equal to liberalism. As a matter of fact Commiefornia sets the highest bar for liberalism in the nation yet I live in what is most probably the most conservative area of Commiefornia. If I based my judgement of this states liberalism on this area I’d have to say that Commiefornia was a conservative state that would be called California…alas…I know better because I can see past the end of my nose…it ain’t “utopia” out there.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn I don’t think you’re stupid. I can tell you until I left the North and returned for visits, I wasn’t aware of how many of the same things they so cutely accuse us of here in the South are in full bloom there and I have noticed that every place I’ve spent time in including Germany. Not prison time :) just have been fortunate enough to spend long blocks of time in many places in our world.

          • libertytrain

            Jeff the only way to find that peaceful place is to never leave your home or talk to anyone or read….be oblivious and never listen to anyone…. :)

          • Joe H.

            libertytrain,
            that MAY work for a little while, until some azzhole invades your space or tries to take your personal “area” by eminent domain!!! The only two ways to find peace is to end life or change the people in charge of the system!!!

          • libertytrain

            I only think it works for a long while for those who are sleepwalking through this life…You’ve met them. I sure have… :)

      • eddie47d

        Your a wee bit off subject Alex. Did those Northern Liberals bring a little Class to S Carolina and it’s too hard for you to handle? LOL

        • Alex Frazier

          Negative. Unless by “class” you mean rude behavior.

          • libertytrain

            Alex, I live in the mountains near Greenville. I can only agree with your assessment. I don’t get why those like Eddie on the left always want to continue to spread bigoted statements like that. Proves to me their lack of tolerance in general for folks.

          • Karolyn

            liberty – Greenville is one of the places I have thought about moving to, but I think I might go to Greensboro to be nearer my brother. I haven’t been there but have heard a lot about it. The cold and snow are a drawback for me, though.

          • libertytrain

            I would think you might find Greensboro a little more to your liking, i.e. closer to Raleigh and Chapel Hill. I did go through a wicked bad snowstorm in Greensboro last Christmas but snow is not as common as here in the Asheville area. And yes, I think you would find yourself very much at home in Asheville. However, it is very expensive in Asheville (compared to what you have in your area) and surrounding towns on this side of Asheville and I think to go to the other side of Asheville you’d find a whole lot more snow and cold but less expensive housing. I don’t think you’d like Greenville based on what I’ve read from you here.

    • NC

      T-TEXAS, I would be ashamed to admit that with all the money being controlled by the Republican Party and a 6-3 republican supreme court that such an obviously (to you, at least) inelgible person is sitting in the Oval Office and has served in the US senate. Have you told anyone about this????? It won’t take two months to correct this travesty if you will report this to a Republican Congressman or your local Tea Party headquarters! BETTER GIT AGOING TEX, TIMES AWASTEIN’
      GOTTA LOVE ALL THE BIRTHERS, CONSTITUTION EXPERTS(?) AND “CONSPIRACY GEEKS” AROUND HERE!!

      • Vigilant

        NC steps on his member again. Do you have a case of terminal idiocy?

        FOR THE THIRD TIME, IDIOT, the SCOTUS is 4-4-1 Conservative, Liberal activist and one swing vote. The party affiliation of the president who appointed is meaningless.

        AND ONCE AGAIN, go to http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php and you’ll see that the big money is with the Dems.

        Penetrating your skull is like playing pool with a rope.

        • Buster the Anatolian

          “Penetrating your skull is like playing pool with a rope.”

          I would say with a rope for a cue and a water balloon for a cue ball.

        • NC

          VIGILANT, How many times have they voted 4-4-1-?

          • Vigilant

            Like I said, Ignorance, thy name is NC. Your question has no merit. SCOTUS doesn’t vote that way, that’s why it’s a odd number, to break ties.

            How in that walnut-sized brain of yours do you imagine they could vote 4-4 and then have Justice Kennedy say, “I’m going to vote ‘swing’ so neither of the sides holds sway?” No, sonny, he votes either Conservative or liberal. The vote therefore becomes 5-4, of which a great many decisions have come down to.

            I know the mathematics may be too deep for you; just study it for about two hours and you might get it.

  • Jay

    The Pentagon’s global military design is one of world conquest.

    • Vigilant

      Yes, and I saw Elvis at a 7-11 the other day…..

    • Mark Are

      Look at the strings leading up to the puppet master and that is who you will find is USING the Pentagon for their conquest effort.

    • JC

      Substitute UN for Pentagon and you’re there.

  • william

    Israel should be at the point of this issue with Iran. Why are we to decide if Iran gets nuclear weapons or not? Israel has the means to defend herself against Iran. What if China all of a sudden said, ‘The US must be eliminated!’? Since they already have nuclear weapons, would this mean we should attack them? So I bolster Myers argument that the administration does wish to use this issue as a campaign ploy for Nov. 2012.

    • jimmy the greek

      Well lets hope that if israel nuks Iran that China lites up israle .

      • DaveH

        Jimmy, you’re hopeless. Why don’t we just all mind our own business?

        • Amy D

          Hey That’s what Ron Paul has been saying. He’s the only sane voice in this miserable lot of candidates. Let’s get behind him 100% and get rid of the OBummer/Blammer in the White House, and preserve our Republic.

          • NC

            Amy, we are not going to get a libertarian in the White House in 2012!None of the smart money backss that possibility. Libertarians have been waiting for that longer than the Cubs have been waiting for a pennant!SO, which do you want? A candidate that must promise the conservative base the same kind of things that bush promised to get the nomination or a President that has already stopped the bleeding of jobs, a crashing stock market and the war driven foreigh policy of bush that sapped us of young lives and money. With all due respect to Mr.Paul, we are going to get one of these! Ask yourself ” much how much differently do Romney and Santorum sound from bush/cheney and McCain/caribou barbie??Just close your eyes and you won’t know the difference.

          • Mark Are

            Ron Paul represents the 99% (though many don’t realize it). He represents an IDEA. He represents FREEDOM, LIBERTY, SELF RELIANCE, RESPONSIBILITY. The other candidates, including the current usurper in Chief, represent the 1%. Since there are many more of us, WE can rally around Ron Paul, and change the face of the world. Ron Paul said, “I am not interested in winning to be President. I am interested in winning to change history.” When he wins, history will show that the 1% are not the rulers but rather WE THE PEOPLE who the Constitution was written to be the guide of government for, are the rulers. The question…do we continue down the road to slavery? Or do we allow a true abolitionist to free us all from the chains of bondage that the Federal Reserve and world banksters have placed around the necks of every man, woman and child on this PLANET? THAT, my friends is the real crux of the matter. ARE WE GOING TO BE SLAVES for the 1% or are we going to have a planet of FREEDOM for the 99%. YOU CAN DECIDE, and say screw what “they” want! . RON PAUL 2012, 2016 RAND PAUL 2020, 2024!

          • DaveH

            NC says “or a President that has already stopped the bleeding of jobs”, a crashing stock market and the war driven foreigh policy of bush that sapped us of young lives and money”.
            Well, let’s see, When Bush left office Unemployment was at 7.8%. And it peaked at 10.1% after 9 months of Obama. And it’s still at 8.6%, which very well could turn out to be an anomaly since only last month it was 9%:
            http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3
            The crashing stock market largely crashed (2 weeks before the elections) because Obama was going to be elected. It now is nominally recovered to it’s pre-Obama prices, but the dollar is worth 30% less compared to the Canadian and Australian Dollars, so the actual value of the Dow Industrials is now about 30% less than it was just months before Obama’s election.
            And with Obama we had the Unconstitutional military involvement in Libya, and involvement in Pakistan, as well as Afghanistan. We are only out of Iraq because the Iraqi Leaders didn’t want us there.

            Try as you might, NC, you Liberal Zealots can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Don’t forget N. Africa and the fact that Abummer is allowing Mexican troops to stage on US soil for the purpose of incursions into Mexico. Later, when Calderone prooves to be ineffectual as a president of Mexico, Abummer will send troops there to bolster him and battle the drug cartels!!

      • http://html Bob

        What a fkin inbicile.

      • em

        right on

      • em

        my right on was meant for jimmy the greek ,,, the only terrorists over there are th u s and the zionist nazis

  • Tom

    John,
    My question to OB… If you had to choose one of the following which would you choose and why?

    Put our young men and women in harms way in Iran to insure our oil supply?

    Increase the U.S. oil/gas drilling to be self sufencent so we are not dependent on Middle East oil?

    • Joe H.

      Tom,
      Guess what was reported as the largest export from the US just the other day? you Guessed it OIL!!! We can produce all we have, but if WE don’t get to use it, then how independant are we???

      • jimmy the greek

        You are not right on that its refined product not crude oil we import crude and export gas , diesel , jet fuel , ect . I know this because i am in the trucking business and haul additives that go in as the tanker ships load along the gulf and on the Mississippi river we send finished product to the middle east , Europe , Africa, ect. We import over half the crude about 30% of the crude is from America .

        • Joe H.

          jimmy the greek,
          It was reported on the news just last niht! Fuel and crude is the number one EXPORT from the US! I didn’t say IMPORT! As far as additive packages, A company here in Wickliffe Ohio has the patents on about 90% of those packages and they have branches in about 14 different countties world wide!! Their largest competitor is Exxon! You may transport those products, but you don’t seem to know a wit about the companies you carry for!

          • jimmy the greek

            The additives i carry are made in panama, china , Europe , and conroe tx the stuff from china is to raise the octane level on gas bad stuff at 94% it well kill you if to much gets on you. the ctain is from texas no one i deal with has any thing to do with ohio , i have bin doing this for about 20 years and have seen none of the things i deal with coming out of ohio most of the chemicals come into the port of houston and go into warehouses that i get them from and transport them to were the ships load some of what i haul can not be made in the USA because of the EPA .

          • jimmy the greek

            Ok yes we do export some crude from Alaska .

          • Vigilant

            Jimmy the GEEK says, “the stuff from china is to raise the octane level on gas bad stuff at 94% it well kill you if to much gets on you.”

            Obviously, you exposed yourself to just enough of that stuff to kill your brain.

          • Joe H.

            jimmy the greek,
            i suggest you look up a company in Wickliffe Ohio named Lubrizol corp.! They own the patients on pretty close to 90% of the additive packages produced in the US. they are in China, France, England, Japan and other countries as well. Look them up!!!Look under Specialty chemical companies if you have problems!!! The company started about 60 years ago in some guy’s garage and is now a world wide company. buffetts holdings just bought them out a few months ago!! It’s in the papers all over!!!

    • wes

      You hit the nail on the head Tom, but few will listen, especially on the left. They are too busy tree hugging and making up mythical oil spill scenarios to worry about real reality. The crude under that Bakken deposit and the off shore rigs would keep us in oil for a few hundered years, by which time I’m sure we can finalize the research and production of alternative fuels. That simple logic obviously escapes these left handed wackos and they will continue their efforts to shut off the Keystone pipeline, with naturally no alternatives to replace it because they don’t think that far ahead. The safety record for the Alaska pipeline has been almost perfect for over 50 years, but for some reason they tell us that won’t be the case with this new line. As far as Iran, I truly believe the Israelis will hit them hard soon, and without tipping their hat to this occupier of our white house whom they do not trust, with good reason. Israel as the aggressor and the US as their back-up is the best possible solution to that nutjob and his obvious intentions.

      • DaveH

        They’ve been thinking ahead for decades, Wes. It has nothing to do with baby seals, polar bears, melting ice caps, oil spills, or energy independence. It has EVERYTHING to do with Progressive POWER. Environmentalism is just a means to their ends. Their goal is nothing less than the taking of our Freedom.

        • Mark Are

          go to thrivemovement(dot)com and watch the documentary. It offers some solutions.

      • jimmy the greek

        If the zionist get us into a war there are a lot of people in this county that may take it upon them self to get even , like lets say linch a zionist day . The reason the germans did what they did was because of the german jews turning on there country in WW-1 . The Stab In The Back as hilter called it read your history .

        • Walt

          I see that you’re also a student of history Jimmy! :)

          • http://html Bob

            He might be a history buff so now he needs to learn a little spelling.

          • jimmy the greek

            Most people don’t like what history has to say if there side was not the one telling the story .

          • jimmy the greek

            You know today we could say America is getting the stab in the back by the same lot .

          • Joe H.

            jimmy,
            A lot of what you are spewing is BS pure and true!! If the additives you are carrying couldn’t be made here there is a very good chance that the components of those packages aren’t on a list of aproved components to be transported legally in the US. You ARE carrying LEGAL aren’t you , jimmy??

        • http://Personalliberty Tony

          Dear Jimmy the geek, i mean greek:
          Will you get a life. If anyone should be lynched, it’s you.
          Next, to everyone else, it will be Mitt Romney or Rick “Sanitation”
          that will start a war with Iran if elected. Think about that!!

        • em

          jimmy the greek , if they could have just exterminated all of the jews (zionist terrorists) during the war or before or after it would probably be a peaceful pleasant world …

          • jimmy the greek

            I have nothing to say LOL

          • libertytrain

            good grief – your lack of intelligence is being prominently displayed…

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            em

            Are you a bigot?I am anti zionist,but I don’t advocate exterminating a race or a culture,please rephrase what you are saying.My granddaughter is converting to the non zionist humanistic Jewish belief or faith.She is openly anti Israel and believes the Palestine area historically belongs to the Arabs. What I like to know.Are you an anti zionist or just a plain old anti semite?Being an anti zionist doesn’t make you anti semitic.Racism and bigotry has no place on this blog.Jews are our fellow human beings and we all have to live together or perish together.What you posted is downright despicable.

      • eddie47d

        You’re too funny Wes! Mystical oil spills? I suppose the Pope is Jewish too!

    • Dave

      The big O has already stated his side; “if things go south, I’m siding with Islam.” (or words to that effect). He’s shown it by his deference to Islam in every way possible dating back to his childhood, his repugnance with the Jews and Christians, and his alacrity with Islam, their “holy days”, with Allah and his messenger Muhammad, etc. He has specialized in “apology tours’, laid out the red carpet to Islamic leaders around the globe and bashed such as Netanyahu, Churchill, and most of all Jesus Christ!!

      • Flashy

        Got any reputable sources for those claims Dave? LOL

        • JeffH

          Yeah, right…as if you have ever produced any reputable sources.

        • JC

          Flashy, what would you do with hard information?
          It’s wasted on you’re kind at the best of times.
          You’re a lIberal, and liberals wither away when presented
          with facts so be careful what you wish for…

  • Insurgent

    The LFN from Mombasa, Kenya can’t run America. Why should he be trying to tell other countries what to do?

  • william

    Insurgent, what does LFN stand for?

    • Joe H.

      William,
      You don’t want to know. He is just giving the progs more ammunition to use against us!!

      • DaveH

        You’re right, Joe.
        We should leave the adolescent manipulative techniques to the Liberals.

    • eddie47d

      Too late,the right wingers have already let that cat out of the bag!

  • Russell

    This is the 1 and only comment I have on Obama (offensive words removed)

  • DaveH

    John says “When that film was released in 1945 — narrated by Ronald Reagan who, ironically, would become president — there was no doubt that America was fighting a global struggle for freedom”.
    Sure there was doubt, John. Before FDR wrangled his way into the war about 80% of the population didn’t want to get involved. But FDR and his Crony Capitalists were making big money selling weapons to the Allies. After cutting oil and other supplies to Japan, FDR could see growing animosity coming from the Japanese, and he knew that things were coming to a boiling point because the Japanese code had been broken a year before Pearl Harbor. Japan, by the way, was staunchly anti-communist. But FDR was fond of Communism. To FDR, Stalin was Uncle Joe.
    So, at a cost of 2400 lives in Pearl Harbor, FDR finally got his way. We then proceeded to get involved and eventually win the war only to turn over a large portion of the Hitler-conquered countries to the tyranny of Russian Communism. Some Heros. Hardly “Freedom” givers.
    For those who want to lift the blinders of Propaganda that we’ve all endured, read this:
    http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

    • DaveH

      Here is an excerpt from the book:
      http://mises.org/daily/5671/USJapanese-Relations-before-WWII

      Notice that Mises is also selling the book at $24. Given the fact that you can find the Free PDF version (linked above), you might think that’s ridiculous. But mises.org brings us much Freedom-related information that otherwise would be difficult to find, Including the most real kind of economic information that you can find anywhere, not the Political Economics, like Krugman promotes, designed to cover for the Government’s antics.
      If you like what they do, then please help support them by buying their books or donating directly.

    • s c

      Refreshingly succinct and accurate. Nice to see that
      some people can and do READ, DaveH.

      • DaveH

        Thank you, SC.

    • jimmy the greek

      Your right ! the Germans did not like the commies ether . did you ever see the photo of the three pigs FDR, the fat limey , and uncle joe .

      • DaveH

        Here’s an interesting read:
        http://www.sobran.com/friends.shtml

      • Walt

        For the most part, prior to WWII, if you were a communist, you were most likely Jewish. The Lincoln Brigade, sent to Spain to support the new socialist/communist government was put together and financed by Jewish banking interests from New York.

        In America, during the 1930s, it was strong Jewish activism that supported the communist movement, and has today translated into the fact that there are close to 80 openly declared members of Congress that claim membership in the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America – the American affiliate of the Socialist Internationale), and many are Jewish, along with dozens of African American and Hispanic members of Congress. “Rules for Radical”, written by Saul Alinsky (mentor for Obama and Hillary Clinton) was Jewish.

        Of the close to 400 core revolutionaries communists that sparked the Russian Revolution to overthrow the Czar, 390+ were Jewish. Lenin, Trotsky, Marx were all Jewish.

        In Germany, most of the key political leaders of the Weimar Republic were Jewish. These are the folks that brought Germany to its knees with “quantitative easing” and the disasterous hyper-inflation, which brought about the rise of the NAZI party and the subsequent roundup of Jews and other political activists during the late 1930s.

        The infamous Woodrow Wilson surrounded himself with Jewish advisors like as did FDR with Morganthau and others. The plan for the Federal Reserve was drawn up by New York Jewish banking interests and the Rothschild banking syndicate and was handed to Wilson for rubber stamped approval.

        As Liberal and Progressive tradition follows, Obama is also today surrounded by Jewish handlers like Rahm Emanuel, Geithner, Axelrod (all Jewish) and has been financed by George Soros (Jewish). He benefits from support in Congress from the likes of Charles Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein and a host of other Jewish members in the Senate and House.

        Do we see a pattern here?

        • jimmy the greek

          Oh yes , And only hope to live it see the day when the lot is rounded up in this country and sent to summer camp .

          • Walt

            Jimmy, while I may point out that a certain group of citizens may be working against the interests of our nation, I don’t advocate anybody being rounded up and “sent to summer camp”.

            That is the methodology of folks like Hitler, Mao and Stalin. My purpose in presenting these points of historical fact is to educate and make folks aware of those that seek to “fundamentally change” our country to their foreign and alien ideology.

            In 2010, we made great strides to remove some of these folks from positions of legislative power and hopefully in 2012, we will make greater inroads to remove many more and replace them with folks who understand the great threat our Republic is under.

            Rounding folks up is NOT the solution. Removing them from their current positions, where they excersize destructive power is the goal.

            Otherwise we are no better than what we accuse them of being.

          • http://Personalliberty Tony

            To Jimmy the Geek again:
            Sir, what mental institution did you escape from!?! Honestly man, the things you talk about are way out there. I have a question, do you want to live in a society such as Nazi Germany, where you had no freedom? Something else, Adolf Hitler, along with many of his cronies
            were part jewish to full jewish. Heck, his right hand man, Rudolf Hess, might of been part black. Google the true ethnic identies of the
            Nazi leaders. Afterwards, get some help for yourself. God knows, you need it. Good Bye for now!!

    • Walt

      Regarding the Japanese before the outbreak of WWII and the attack on Pearl Harbor….has anybody researched that all (without exception) of the countries in Asia were under colonial rule by either the U.S. or European powers.

      Just think about it. India, Burma, French Indo-China, Phillipines, China, Thailand, Indonesia, etc. Not one single Asian country was free from colonial rule. Only the Japanese were free….and unacceptable to the western powers.

      Yes, Japan invaded China in the early thirties; but, they viewed it as a war of liberating Asia from European and U.S. imperialism. This was a time when Europeans held hundreds of millions of people under subjugation in Asia and Africa and the Middle East. The U.S., with it’s Monroe Doctrine, reserved the Western Hemisphere as its private fiefdom, supporting dictators like Trujillo in the Dominican Republic, Batista in Cuba, Somoza in Nicaragua and wielded power through the like of the Dulles brothers and the United Fruit Company (Standard Fruit today) in many other so called “banana republics”.

      It was a different time than today, America was not considered a beacon of freedom or the “the shining city on the hill”; but, rather a brutal oppressor, along with England, Spain, France, Italy and the Dutch.

      Japan saw itself slowly being strangled economically. Embargoes on oil, steel and other commodities were imposed to bring this last holdout to its knees.

      These are the sad facts, NOT my opinion or biased revisionist view of history. Check these statements out for yourself…don’t take my word for anything I have stated.

      Given the same circumstances as Japan, what would America have done?

      • DaveH

        Good one, Walt.

        • eddie47d

          Although a great analogy Walt I’ll have to agree with Mark on Japan’s invasion into China. They were also expansionists and brutal to the core.

      • Mark in LA

        Well this is not true:

        Yes, Japan invaded China in the early thirties; but, they viewed it as a war of liberating Asia from European and U.S. imperialism.

        The Japanese looked upon the Chinese as inferior and the Japanese were murdering them not liberating them. The liberating thing was probably the normal propaganda used to convince the home crowd of the actions of the government.

        • jimmy the greek

          They were inferior ! as the pols were inferior because of the high levels of khazar blood in them .

          • Joe H.

            Well, jimmy, now I’m gonna tell all my trucking friends to avoid a skinhead acting illegal acting trucker that is biased against all races but his own!!! you are one sick puppy dog!!!

        • DaveH

          And we should take the word of a Liberal, Why?
          Japan was expanding its empire by occupying Manchuria. No doubt their excuses for doing so were much like those we hear from our Leaders.
          http://mises.org/daily/5235
          From the article:
          “When the Bolsheviks seized power in Russia, Wilson applied his self-concocted criterion, and refused recognition. Henry L. Stimson, Hoover’s secretary of state, applied the same doctrine when the Japanese occupied Manchuria, in northern China, and established a subservient regime in what they called Manchukuo. It was a method of signaling disapproval of Japanese expansionism, though there was no doubt that the Japanese soon came into effective control of the area, which had been more or less under the sway of competing warlords before”.

          • DaveH

            For those who want to get deeply into it:
            http://mises.org/books/whileyouslept.pdf

          • DaveH

            The above book is a true revelation into the webs we weave when we take a side in other countries’ conflicts. Everybody should read it.

          • Walt

            Thanks Dave, the PDF book “While You Slept” is a great read. An eye opener to the “behind the scenes” dynamics of the world players at that time.

            It seems that the Japanese were also playing “interference” against Stalin’s ambitions for that region; along with securing much needed raw materials for their own intentions for Asia.

          • Buster the Anatolian

            Other than the desire to rule as much of the world as they could with an iron boot on the neck of the conquored Japan’s taking over other countries was for a supply of raw materials.

        • Walt

          Perhaps you are referring to the slaughter at Nan King, where the entire city was killed.

          As a student of history, I don’t approve of what the Japanese did in Nan King; however, one must understand that Japan was very much still under a fuedal mentality, with war lords and codes of honor. Very much the mentality that Europe had in the Middle Ages.

          Also recall that at the Alamo, General Santa Ana also gave the defenders of the Alamo the option to surrender or face “no quarter”.

          The Japanese offered the defenders of Nan King the same option…they declined and paid the price with their lives. That’s the Middle Age mentality that the Japanes were under at that time.

          Brutal? Yes, but no different than other similar brutal repressions by colonial western powers in India or Africa; or by the U.S. in the Phillipines against Phillipine freedom fighters, who fought along American troops to “liberate the Phillipines” from Spain, and then were betrayed, slaughtered and denied Phillipine freedom, only to become another American imperial colony in the Pacific.

          Them’s the facts my friend…everybody has their own perspective on history, some get it by objective research, while others get it from reading “yellow journalism”.

          • eddie47d

            Thanks for your clarification Walt.

          • Karolyn

            Can’t leave out the brutality of the colonists against the Native Americans.

          • libertytrain

            It is a pity karolyn that you can’t go back in history and correct all the wrongs with all your knowledge or you could just live in today and work on those problems that still exist today. How about human trafficking/slavery – that’s a biggy that goes on all over this world right now. Have a go at it.

          • Karolyn

            Actually. liberty, the organization I work for is expanding into human trafficking.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            That cut both ways. The Native Americans were warring with each other long before white man came along. The worst atrocities they suffered were at the hands of Government assassins. Leaders have a problem with morality. That’s no secret.

          • libertytrain

            Karolyn that’s good. Something that actually could be worked on today rather than pointing fingers at the human beings of yesterday who lived in a different reality of right and wrong than we do today and probably different today than what will be considered right or wrong 10 years from now. Look how many times we have seen what is considered the “right and ethical” way to do things in just our lifetime has changed. Scary.

  • alphamel

    Iran’s Madman is being used by the Israeli Mossad who are secretly feeding Nuclear technology in spurts to Iran in a Zionist plot to justify bombing Iran.

    The very same Zionist conspirators responsible for 9/11.

    • Russell

      Correct

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Israel would be the first drop of a bomb for Iran if they could deliver one. For you to think they would supply them with the means to blow themselves up, I have to disagree. That would be insane.

      • Jay

        Yes Beberoni, in a perfect world, that, would be insane. But in case you haven’t noticed, we live in a mad, mad, world!

      • Vigilant

        Beberoni, you are of course, right.

        Jay is like the man who keeps hitting himself in the head with a hammer, and when asked why he does it, he says, “because it feels so good when I stop.”

        • Jay

          hmm, i must be hitting a nerve with you, vigilant. The truth makes you nervous?

          • Vigilant

            The truth often makes me nervous. It’s the idiotic lies that make me shake my head and chuckle.

    • Vigilant

      alphaml and Russell have been watching too many James Bond and Austin Powers movies. Both of you, get a life.

      • Jay

        And you obviously spend too much time watching the Alphabet Media, sonny!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    It will be the same as when Clinton was in office. They will sit back and let them mobilize and set up whatever it is they want to set up, create a dangerous situation, then when the democrats get voted out of office they will leave it for the next guy to clean up, then whey they have to take action, they will stand on the mountaintop and call them a warmonger. You watch and see. We can do the stork thing, and stand there and stick our head in the sand and act like everything is fine and that they arent a threat to us, then watch things get blown up on our soil, and wonder why. I dont like war either, I abhor it. But I also know if you sit around and let those who hate you go unchecked, they will, if not already, arm themselves and become a threat to you, then your at war anyhow. Either way, now or later, we will have to fight to protect what we have, and that is just a sad fact of life. They arent going away that is for sure. And they would like most of all to anihilate us off the face of the earth. Again, that is a fact everyone knows. To sit around and say they are not a threat to us, is just plain irresponsible and wrong. But only time will tell if I am off my rocker, or if Im right. Question is, do we stick our head in the sand and quiver, or do we tell them to knock it off now or else. You cannot appease them, that is a sure fire road to defeat. So then, what do we do? That is the question. Again, they arent going away.

    • fiscalsoundbiteme

      storks bring babies…OSTRICHES stick their head in the sand! Just so you know…we are f’n toast with the current regime in the USA. Ovomit is doing his ultimate best with the rest of the dummycrats and rhino’s to f us up

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Sorry, I did mean Ostrich. I blew that one. But I agree with what you say, if we dont get some real change. One thing is for sure, this current admin has to go.

    • DaveH

      Beberoni,
      Please read the book I linked to above. Also watch this:
      http://conspiracyrealitytv.com/terrorstorm-us-history-of-false-flag-fear-mongering-alex-jones/

    • DaveH

      Those who give up essential Liberty for the illusion of security will get NEITHER.

    • clarence swinney

      ALL AMERICAN TERROR FIGHTER
      CLINTON developed the nation’s first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
      Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
      Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope.
      Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
      Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
      Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
      Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
      Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
      Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
      Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
      Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
      Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
      Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first WTC bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively – and successfully – to stop future terrorist attacks.
      Bill Clinton named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
      Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911)—-The legislation was DEFEATED by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.—-
      Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was DEFEATED by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
      Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was DEFEATED by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
      Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.
      Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
      Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries.
      Bill Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
      Of Clinton’s efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism: “Overall, I give them very high marks” and “The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama”.
      Paul Bremer, former Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as he believed the Bill Clinton Administration had “correctly focused on bin Laden.”
      Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, “By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him” and was the “first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort”.
      THEN CAME 9-11

      • FreedomFighter

        Looks like Bill Clinton did a smash up job stoppin the terrorists.

        That is sarcasm if you didnt notice Clarence.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Lastmanstanding

          Clarence cracks me up…I wonder if he(CS) or monica (BJ)was slick willies favorite?

      • eddie47d

        It only shows that even a well prepared nation doesn’t always get it right. Should we have been better prepared before Bush? Maybe so, but should we have been so overzealous in accepting Bush’s over reacting. (Iraq and Patriot Act).

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Right. And the Pope is a Baptist.

  • BigBadJohn

    “The first production, Iraq II, was directed by two Presidents at a cost of $1 trillion. Not since Ishtar has there been a bigger desert bust.

    Almost 4,500 U.S. soldiers perished during the making of Iraq II. Another 32,000 U.S. soldiers were wounded. No U.S. agency officially keeps track of the “other side,” but estimates indicate that between 100,000 and 300,000 Iraqis died.
    There were also indirect costs of Iraq II, including a five-fold increase in the price of oil and a declining opinion of the United States. Two generations ago, America was seen as the great liberator. Today, many people consider it the great instigator.”

    THIS MESS WAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS! BUSH TOOK THE WORLDS SYMPATHY AND TURNED IT INTO LOATHING.

    “As misguided as it was for America, Iraq II was embraced by Obama, the second director brought in on the project.”

    WOULD YOU HAVE HAD HIM CUT AND RUN???? I WOULD GO AS FAR AS SAYING THE REASON WE ARE FINALLY GETTING OUT IS BECAUSE BUSH’S OIL EXPLOITS DID NOT PAY OFF!

    THIS WHOLE IRAQ ADVENTURE WAS SO F’ED UP THAT FROM THE BEGINNING IT WAS OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN THAT BUSH WOULD BE TURNING CONTROL OF IRAQ OVER TO IRAN – AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE NOW!

    • fiscalsoundbiteme

      Just so you know, Bush’s cabinet was made up of Dummycrats…he also did not use anyone to blame any mistakes or missteps he made, he took the steps he was required to take with CONGRESS’ full backing and support…I believe it was a setup to make him look bad. So with that said, and out in the open, Ovomit was a Senator voting “present” whilst in the background setting up his soon to be illegal presidency. What the donkey’s did to this country is nothing short of treason. Keep that in mind ya kook

      • Dave

        The same holds true during his administration – locking Republicans out and now crying that they don’t want to help him!!

      • BigBadJohn

        Bush’s cabinet made up of dummycrats?
        So you think Rice, Powell, Gates, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft were democrats? LOL too funny….

        “he took the steps he was required to take with CONGRESS’ full backing and support”

        The president is supposed to be privy to the highest intelligence gathering that the USA has. Yet Bush kept repeating “Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and we KNOW WHERE THEY ARE” Bush never said that but Rice, Powell, Gates, Rumsfeld and Ashcroft all did. Combine that with “You either with us or against us” and “the United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts” democrats truly did not have any choice but to go along with Bush.

    • DaveH

      I would expect him to keep his campaign promise, John:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bneEocEBGqI

      March of 2008. I think that was missed (badly).

      • BigBadJohn

        I agree, Obama made a lot of promises that he did not keep.

        When Reagan was president he was able to push his policies through a dem controlled congress by getting on TV “My fellow Americans….”

        Obama showed no such leadership. In 2008 Obama was handed a clear mandate – and he fiddled it away try to compromise with republicans…….

        • JeffH

          BBJ, compromise with Republicans? I really thought more of you. C’mon, Obama doesn’t compromise on anything unless there’s a HUGE return…but then again, that’s why every politician compromises.

          Compromise is nothing more than smoke & mirrors.

        • Joe H.

          BigBJ,
          Yeah, he compromised with them, alright!! By locking them OUT of all discussion! Or perhaps you forgot that????

          • BigBadJohn

            Sorry not the way I see it.
            At every turn if Obama was for it, republicans were against it.
            There were times when he accepted their compromise only to have them change there mind and say no.
            They even said the only compromise they would accept was Obama’s resignation.

            Since Obama took office republicans at every turn tried to block anything he did just to make him look bad.
            Politics at it worst!

    • clarence swinney

      Who cares? I do not
      7000 Miles Away to heck let em Work out own problems

      • Karolyn

        Amen!

  • Jay

    Iran, which has the world’s third largest known reserves of oil behind Saudi Arabia and Iraq, has been on the drawing board of the Pentagon since 2005. Curious, how all the countries the US has invaded so far, and now controls through the assistance of terrorists organizations, are countries with an abundance of oil. Oil, which the west so desperately needs. But, more necessary than oil, world domination, stimulates these oligarchical, mad-men!

    • CoCowboy692000

      IRAN has been on the Pentagon drawing board since 1979… quit kidding yourself…

    • em

      some of this doesn’t make sense ,, the u s imports oil so that they can refine it and sell petroleum products as their biggest export and undersell other countries so that it is not profitable for them to build their own refineries and at the same time bilk the u s population ,,, oh’ , wait a minute , somehow that does add up , perhaps there is an organization that wants to take control of the entire world and they need the money (real or fiat) to pay their disposable minions to assist them in their diabolical enterprise …

    • Vigilant

      “Curious, how all the countries the US has invaded so far, and now controls through the assistance of terrorists organizations, are countries with an abundance of oil.”

      Horsesh*t! Iraqui oil production is STILL below pre-Iran/Iraq war levels. If the war were for oil, don’t you just possibly think our mission #1 would have been to improve oil production?

      “…(US)…controls through the assistance of terrorists [sic] organizations…”

      You’re positively raving mad.

      • Jay

        Or positively correct!

        • Joe H.

          NOT A CHANCE!!! We haven’t recieved a barrel of oil from Iraq!!

          • Jay

            If you mean, WE, THE PEOPLE, never got a barrel of oil, i agree. The question is; who profited?

          • joe H.

            I mean the bpeople in the US never USED a drop of it!! IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH???

          • Jay

            Here Joe, this should put the issue into perspective for you. It will explain the real reason why the west is so obsessed with the middle east. Contrary to media propaganda, its not for humanitarian reasons, or nation building, nor terrorism. But the bubbling brew!

            http://www.hermes-press.com/impintro1.htm

  • CoCowboy692000

    Point 1: NOT unless we are attacked (Straight of Hormuz). The John C. Stennis Aircraft Carrier Group is an incredibly capable group! This nuclear AC Carrier has F/A 18 Hornets… among other things. This carrier has seen much war, so they are very battle ready and trained. It would be an amazingly STUPID move on the part of IRAN to attack this carrier group or this ship! The response would be unrelenting! In addition, we have 95,000 troops not to far from Tehran. Just how stupid are they? I shudder to think… Additionally, we have the 7th fleet as ready carrier fleets near Australia (remember?), we have 5th Fleet in the Mediterranian… all with additional Aircraft Carriers and battleships. I cannot believe that IRAN would be dumb enough to attack us. I haven’t checked where the French or British Aircraft Carriers are yet… Planning to do that today… This would be a slaughter of the Nth degree… if we really want it to be!

    Point 2: NOT unless Congress DECLARES constitutional war and ONLY in support of Israel or actually keeping INTERNATIONAL waterways open in compliance with international law.

    Point 3: NOT unless we have unwaivering support of ALL Europe. We take ZERO oil from Iran. Therefore, we have no skin in this game, really. THEY, EU, MUST STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THE USA – PERIOD. Nobody is going to go running to the press screaming; “Oh the USA went off on another one of their tyrannical tangents again!” NO WAY! THEY WILL STAND SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH US – PERIOD… Because it’s a friggin sure bet that China and Russia will absolutely stand with Iran!

    Point 4: Take opportunity to directly negotiate through the EU as offered by Iran this weekend, FIRST. Negotiate for IAEA inspection of ALL Nuclear facilities and verify their status per their signed nuclear non-proliferation treaty, etc. THEY MUST COME CLEAN!

    Point 5: As part of the DIRECT NEGOTIATIONS, make sure that they know, we are ready to “PULL THE TRIGGER” the moment we walk out of the door from the negotiations if their response is unsatisfactory and they’re not willing to stand down. There will be no DPRK II !!!

    That’s where I would start…

    • Dave

      You forget the Islamic “CIC”!!

      • CoCowboy692000

        And I care about them becauseeee? What? You want me to get them a boat so they can go back? We’re talking IRAN here. I thought the CIC came for a NEW LIFE… Not to relive their OLD life…

        We don’t care about that old crap. If they came here, they need to leave that crap behind, or leave… PERIOD… Move on… get on with your new life and make the most of it… You’ve been given an opportunity, not a new battle ground.

    • jimmy the greek

      You seem to be forgetting something ! Do you really think china and russia is just going to sit back and let all that bu!!$hit go down ? Put down the crack pipe its making you crazy .

      • CoCowboy692000

        APPARENTLY, you don’t know how to read… I already stated that… Put down YOUR crack pipe or get a pair of reading glasses…

    • Joe H.

      CoCowboy,
      you also forget the Tonkin Gulf incident!!! History repeating itself???

      • CoCowboy692000

        Yeah, I hardly think so… Try looking at our new weaponry then see if you still feel like asking that question… Not happening.

        • jimmy the greek

          Yes and the chinese only have sharp sticks and slingshots

          • CoCowboy692000

            Don’t be so naive Jimmy… you really should do more reading and less blabbin…

          • http://Personalliberty Tony

            To Cocowboy692000:
            Right on with your assessment. After listening to Jimmy the Geek, i now understand why the “Zionist” have the views they have. Maybe, i’ll donate something to their lobby/cause. So long for now!!

          • CoCowboy692000

            TO TONY:

            THE FACT IS, AMERICA MUST INSIST UPON A NEW ADMINISTRATION THAT WILL RE-EVALUATE EVERY RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE AND THAT INCLUDES THE LIKES OF EUROPE. WE HAVE ENTIRELY TO MANY FRIEND-ENEMIES. PERSONALLY, I HAVE NEVER SUBSCRIBED TO THE THEORY THAT THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND. BUT WE HAVE ENTIRELY TO MANY BACKSTABBING, CHICKEN-SH|T COMMIE “FRIENDS” IN EUROPE WHO DO *NOT* DESERVE OUR FRIENDSHIP! THE SAME CAN BE SAID OF THE MIDDLE EAST AND A GOOD PART OF ASIA. THEY ONLY WANT WHAT WE HAVE! IT’S TIME TO ROLL ALL OF THAT BACK ALONG WITH ANY TREATIES UNTIL THEY KNOW WHAT A FRIEND IS… NOW THEN, WITH ALL THAT SAID, LET ME GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE:

            How they vote in the United Nations:
            Below are the actual voting records of various Arabic/Islamic
            States which are recorded in both the US State Department
            and United Nations records:

            Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time
            Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time
            Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time
            United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.
            Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.
            Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.
            Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.
            Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.
            Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.
            Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.
            Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
            Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
            Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.
            Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.
            Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.
            India votes against the United States 81% of the time.
            Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.
            Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.

            U S Foreign Aid to those that hate us:
            Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States, still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.

            Jordan votes 71% against the United States
            And receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

            Pakistan votes 75% against the United States
            Receives $6,721,000,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

            India votes 81% against the United States
            Receives $143,699,000 annually.

            GET IT???

        • Joe H.

          CoCowboy,
          do you honestly think the vietnamese attacked our ship??? If you do, you are very naieve!!! the same thing could happen in the strait of Harmuz. We “attack” our own ship to make it look like we were attacked and then hellow Iran, we’re here to collect!!

          • CoCowboy692000

            That doesn’t even deserve a reply.

          • Jay

            I think it does deserve a reply; JoeH is 100% correct!

          • CoCowboy692000

            I don’t care what you think Jay… some of you guys here are absolutely certifiable… No facts, no links, no nuttin… just BS… I read through this column sometimes and seriously, I’m just waffin my friggin ass off. I’m not sure whether to laugh at the left, or you guys on the right… and really, there’s not a difference.

          • Jay

            Oh, so sad Cowboy. Does this mean you’ll be taking your ball, and going home? Boo hoo..falling teardrops..

    • Mark in LA

      Maybe you forgot – it’s not the Iranians who want war but the US who wants a reason to start the war.

    • Walt

      Hmm! The Persians invented the game of Chess. Let’s see here:

      1.China and Russia have warned us not to attack Iran and would consider it an attack on them.
      2.Russia is helping Iran build their nuclear facility.
      3.U.S. aircraft carrier groups are being concentrated to surround and support a possible attack on Iran.

      I wonder. Are the pieces on the chess board being purposely positioned by Iran, so as to move our carrier groups to areas where they will be ineffective to defend the U.S. homeland?

      Whose minding the back door?

      • CoCowboy692000

        2ND, 3RD, AND 4TH FLEETS… NO WORRIES…

      • CoCowboy692000

        If you’re wondering what the global breakdown looks like:

        • United States: 11 carriers (Nimitz Class Carriers – dual nuclear reactors with 4 screws. Top speed not disclosed but is greater than 34 knots) Each carries between 85-90 aircraft.

        • Russia: 1 carrier

        • France: 1 carrier

        • Italy: 2 carriers

        • India: 1 carrier

        • Brazil: 1 carrier

        • Netherlands: 1 carrier

        • Thailand: 1 carrier

        • United Kingdom: 1 carrier

        ** China just finished refurbishing an old Russian Aircraft carrier and is running it through it’s first sea trials. It was recently towed out of a Turkish port.

        January 4, 2012

        The Navy Fact File contains descriptions of the roles and characteristics of Navy ships.

        The make-up of a Carrier Strike Group (CSG)
        The make-up of a Carrier Air Wing (CVW)
        The make-up of an Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG)

        Status of the Navy

        ——————————————————————————–

        Navy Personnel
        Active Duty: 324,209
        Officers: 52,966
        Enlisted: 266,736
        Midshipmen: 4,507
        Ready Reserve: 87,952 [As of 23 Nov 2011 ]
        Selected Reserves: 53,973
        Individual Ready Reserve: 33,979
        Reserves currently mobilized: 4,421 [As of 27 Dec 2011]
        Personnel on deployment: 48,347
        Navy Department Civilian Employees: 203,609

        Ships and Submarines
        Deployable Battle Force Ships: 285
        Ships Underway (away from homeport): 62 ships (22% of total)
        On deployment: 97 ships (34% of total)
        Attack submarines underway (away from homeport): 16 subs (30%)
        On deployment: 16 subs (30%)
        Ships Underway
        Aircraft Carriers:
        USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) – 7th Fleet
        USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) – 7th Fleet
        USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) – 5th Fleet
        Amphibious Assault Ships:
        USS Bataan (LHD 5) – 5th Fleet
        USS Makin Island (LHD 8) – 5th Fleet

        Aircraft (operational): 3700+

        Got any other questions?? This stuff is readily available at several navy.mil sites. All together, America has something on the order of 385 ships.

        Our back door and our front door are well covered as are our nations allied interests…

      • BigBadJohn

        ” Hmm! The Persians invented the game of Chess. Let’s see here: ”

        A game of chess is exactly why Obama did not fill his campaign promise to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately.

        I am sure the intelligence community sat him down and explained why we needed a base in Iraq.

        • CoCowboy692000

          As for the chess game, lemme think… when was the last time a Persian won the tourney?

          LMAO!!! Well, I’ll give you the game of Chess Big Bad John… But, he didn’t fulfill his campaign promise because the military sat him down and TOLD him the facts of life and that he would NOT be allowed to RISK soldier’s lives… A Jr. Senator with ZERO experience of ANYTHING other than procreating a couple of kids is no COMMANDER.

          As for the base in Iraq, Obama didn’t even contact the POTUS of Iraq since February… I’m not sure I get that one… especially since we built a multi-billion dollar embassy there… We’ll see. I know we’ve got at least 1000 Blackwater guys there and there are some other merc’s there too. So, it’s not like we have no presence.

          • Joe H.

            And you KNOW he hasn’t contacted him HOW??? Are you sitting on obams lap every day??? You aren’t privey to anymore information than anybody else here! AS FAR AS YOU KNOW he hasn’t contacted him, as he hasn’t announced it!

          • CoCowboy692000

            Because I read it in a couple of articles (LIGNET and one other publication) and then I saw the story on the news. GEEZE…

          • joe H.

            Yeah cowboy, and we ALL know how open and above board Abummer is!!!! I’m sure every time he talks to some middle east despot he calls the press and advises them of his conversation!!! You ARE naieve!!!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    There was no war for oil as you claim. I mean, hey, where’s the oil??? Come on man. Thats rediculous. That was just a left wing liberal cry to associate their opponents with big oil, a think that they tell is all is evil, even though each and every one of us uses oil and oil products every day of our lives. Well, almost all of us.
    And truthfully, I wish we would have taken enough of their oil to pay for this whole thing, and rightfully so. They are liberated and free. For now. But the muslim nation is seeking its best to keep that from happening, as they dont want freedom, they want power for the few in charge, and hopefully for them its their faction in charge, and they just put the the sword anyone who disagrees with them. Saddam needed to go, and he went. Millions are better off because of it. But I truthfully think the steps the Obama admin took in the end, pretty much was designed to make the whole damn thing collapse, so they could continue to point the fingers and say look what Georgie did. They got off track, and let it go to hell in a handbasket. I know. I talked to many who were over there, and some who still are. Its appalling the things that changed when this admin came in, that allowed the enemy strongholds and basically gave them to them, undoing all our hard work, because we all know, its in the best interests of the democratic party if the whole thing collapses. Had they stayed on track and it became a huge freedom success story in the middle east, it would have be catastophic to the democrats. They couldnt have that now could they? Think about it, and look at the changes that happened over then once they came into power. Its sad that our political parties have made it all about themselves, instead of about the United States of America. What a shame.

    • fiscalsoundbiteme

      AMEN!!!!!

    • DaveH

      It isn’t a Party thing, Beberoni. It’s the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists against the rest of us. Do some studying and learn the reality. We have all been heavily Propagandized. It’s time we throw off the blinders.
      Read this book to get started (just the tip of the iceberg) on your road to revelation:
      http://mises.org/store/Real-Lincoln-The-P172.aspx

      • jimmy the greek

        Capitalism and Communism are two sides of the same coin !

        • DaveH

          No, Jimmy, we haven’t had Real Capitalism in this country for a very long time. Even in the beginnings of the US, the Government was favoring banks, and with Abraham Lincoln the Federal Government got their hands deeply into favoring their selected Crony Capitalists. And they’ve had their hands deeply into our Marketplaces ever since. Real Capitalism requires Government to butt their Political nosey noses out of the Marktetplace. With Real Capitalism, the consumers are king, and companies live or die at the will of the consumers rather than at the will of self-serving Politicians.
          Ron Paul 2012!
          http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

        • Mark in LA

          Jimmy you know how delusional DaveH gets about “real capitalism” he thinks it actually can exist. He doesn’t realize all capitalism since the beginning of time comes under his definition of “crony capitalism”. The closest thing to real capitalism we have in the modern world is the illicit drug trade or the mafia. People making money any way they can without government interference.

          • DaveH

            Talk about delusional, Mark. Those last two sentences say it all about you.

          • DaveH

            And to say pure capitalism has never existed (just as perfection has never existed), Mark, is an easy call because Government will always at least try to mess in the Marketplace. Poo-pooing people who are striving for betterment serves no purpose at all. But then, you are a Liberal, so I understand, Mark.
            At any rate in the beginning of the 19th century Government spent only 7% of our GDP. I would happily trade our 40% of GDP Government for that.

          • DaveH

            By the way, there are some of you (most likely the Liberals) who probably didn’t get the irony of Mark’s ignorant comment “The closest thing to real capitalism we have in the modern world is the illicit drug trade or the mafia. People making money any way they can without government interference”.
            In fact the illegal drug trade is just the opposite of Real Capitalism. It demonstrates the reality of a very heavily regulated marketplace, in this case a prohibited marketplace. The results? — Black markets, Crime, extremely high prices, and costly law enforcement.

          • Mark in LA

            No DaveH once again it is you who can’t think your way out of a paper bag with this:

            In fact the illegal drug trade is just the opposite of Real Capitalism.

            No dave the illicit drug trade is illegal for everybody. The government gives no favors to one group over another. You are mistaking the fact that it is an illegal trade for “government regulation”. The two are not even close.

          • Joe H.

            Mark in LA,
            ” The government gives no special favor to one group over another” YEAH??? Tell that to the frikken CIA!!! Ever heard of Air America???

          • JC

            Or the CIA themselves smuggling South American drugs?
            Or the poppy fields in Afghanistan that are once again fourishing under UN control? (The Taliban had nearly eradicated them)

    • DaveH

      Rick Santorum? Please.
      The establishment Republican minions are doing everything in their power to keep those blinders from being ripped off their face. Ignorance is Bliss:
      http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/01/04/ron-paul-campaign-celebrates-great-victory-at-iowa-caucus/

      • CoCowboy692000

        Yup – Let’s not forget that Rick stated flat out and without apology that he voted for the Patriot Act and felt that it wasn’t strong enough yet! The last time they voted on the Patriot Act, there were 3 sections that the congress wasn’t even allowed to read!!! They voted BLIND! Yet, Rick wants it STRONGER… And this in the face of NDAA as well – what the he||???

        I can’t in good conscience vote for him. Santorum is another moderate republiturd that I can’t reconcile my voting conscience with… I hope everyone starts looking at him more seriously and realizes what he’s really about.

    • Mark in LA

      Yeah keep on drinking the kool-aid:

      They are liberated and free

      I am sure all the dead Iraqis and the people who see the bombings every day agree.

  • http://www.ghughbodell.com G. Hugh Bodell

    I always think fiction that walks a fine line with fact is always more interesting than pure fantasy.

    “Wag the Dog” ( 1997 – Before elections, a spin-doctor and a Hollywood producer join efforts to “fabricate” a war in order to cover-up a presidential sex scandal) was a great satirical portrayal of what was reality at that time.

    The reality of the push and shove with Iran steers more closely to Iran making the big push, vies-a-vi http://www.thebooknikita.com where Iran stockpiles and brokers to Americas enemies a lot of nukes.

  • http://verison John K

    What this country needs is a clearly written out doctrine as to our rules of engagement, and to let all others know exactly what they are and what they exactly means & keep them simple to understand. We do not have one as of today, why? So China says if anyone invades or strikes Iran it will be a threat against them, okay if anyone strikes or invades Israel then it will be a threat against us.

  • Jimmy

    I remember when George W. Bush Jr. delared while standing besides the firefighters in New York that those people who brought down the twin towers would be hearing from us soon.

    • TML

      Interestingly enough, I remember reading a very similar situation in which Hitler did the same thing.

  • Patriot

    WWIII will start with the first shot seemingly being fired by Iran, but; they will not be the ones that fired it! The story and the script is exactly the same, let’s not be fooled again!

    • Dave

      Their “fifth column” is already set up here – “moderate Muslims” currently working in their victory mosques in a town near you.

    • jimmy the greek

      Like in Vietnam !

      • CoCowboy692000

        Oh come on Jimmy… Stop already…

  • fiscalsoundbiteme

    Rules of Engagement! OK, sure why not give them a full mapped out plan of attack while you’re at it! Here is the only rule of engagement….F with us you die! DONE! I do agree on the tit for tat you state re: china/iran and Isreal/USA ….Russia and China will kill each other off before the ever get to us anyway…heehee good for the world if you ask me. The rest of the middle east should be wiped out and turned into a Vegas II! F the camel jockies!

    • Joe H.

      Fiscalsound…,
      “Good for the world”???? Do you have any idea what the world would look like if China and Russia went nuke only on each other??? Just that little screw-up in Japan has seals with radiation poisoning washing up on Alaska, what do you think full scale nuke war between two nations with an overabundance of them do??? Give it a little THOUGHT before you post!!!

    • Karolyn

      Sick man! It’s people like you who have this world in such a mess!

    • CoCowboy692000

      Ok fiscal – You’re really not that bright are you?

      Look, I have no problem with the war issue: If we fight, WE DO IT TO WIN – That means people die. Ok? I get it AND, I AGREE WITH IT.

      HOWEVER, If you really think the Ruskies and the Chinese are going to kill each other off, you really haven’t been keeping up, have you…

      You are another one of these blithering idiots who needs to close your mouth more often and open your eyes.

      TRY DOING SOME RESEARCH – HECK, FOR THAT MATTER, YOU DON’T EVEN HAVE TO DO THAT – ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS READ THE DANG NEWS FOR THAT LIL PIECE OF TRUTH!

      As for the “Camel Jockies”… Welp, if they’d just live and let live, there’d be no issues… we’ll see where this goes… but they’re not going to commit harrie-carrie without taking someone with them…

  • mark

    Against conservative wishes, Obama decided to pull ALL U.S. troops out of Iraq last month. He inherited that immoral, wrongheaded war from Bush/Cheney. There is no way that Obama will launch an attack on Iraq this year. It is too huge a risk with completely unpredictable consequences (unlike Libya which was a piece of cake in comparison. Zero U.S. dead, zero U.S. wounded for a country that only cares about U.S. dead. Also no impact on world oil supplies and prices). Obama is not that stupid. As a result this whole article is ludicrous.
    On the more important point that is strangely yet understandably absent on the website today, Ron Paul came in a disappointing third in Iowa. This virtually ensures that he will not win the Republican nomination for Presideent. If Paul could not win in Iowa, his best environment ideologically and structurally (with the caucus set-up), he will not win anywhere. This was his best shot and his supporters failed to deliver.

  • Vigilant

    Mr. Myers writes, “It seems almost impossible to believe that the U.S. government, which seamlessly transformed Japan and Germany into rich democratic nations following World War II, could fail so miserably in the Mideast, yet that is exactly what has happened.”

    Apples and oranges, John, apples and oranges. Japan and Germany were both advanced industrial nations with relatively homogenious populations. Germany was Christian and Japan was Shinto/Buddhist. Neither wished to destroy ALL Christians.

    The Middle East is filled with adherants to a religion that seeks to destroy the western infidels. Afghanistan is a country run by Stone Age warlords and Iraq muddles on (but not for long) with two distinct religious and ethnic groups.

    So your premise is wrong. It is VERY possible to understand the lack of success in nation building in the M.E. Neither Clinton nor Bush understood this, to their discredit, and history has shown the abject futility of trying to impose the template of democracy upon peoples who have neither appreciation for, nor moral values to support, such principles.

    • Dave

      And to carry your analogy further, we understand next to nothing about this 7th Century religio-political-legal-cultural system which everybody seems to kow-tow to.
      Not really an aside – have you heard ANY political candidate (other than the current POTUS) talk about Islam and how we’re to deal with this totally antithetical system in our country which is 180 from the Constitution, and even our current lifestyle??
      More than the economy (the fruit on the tree) is the root; our founding documents which are being systematically dismantled to make way for whatever the U.N. foists on us.

  • http://jenersea@comcast.net jenersea

    Why does everyone say that this is a new war with Iran? The Persians initiated this war, which is WW4 back in 1979 when they attacked our Embassy which led to the birth of radical Islam as we know it today. We have fought many battles in this war with different countries, all of course Islamic. Including 911, which was part of WW4. There will be more battles to come. This was all told to us through the Book of Revelations. Believe it or not, but it is happening all around you. The unrest in Syria, well we know that sometime in the future that Damascus will be destroyed. This is the 6th administration that has been fighting this war. Iran with the backing of both Russia and China will continue to persue its goal of Islam attempting to conquer the world. One World Government is the goal and they will stop at nothing to gain that.

  • 403 Forbidden

    Someone should take the lead in pointing out to the US public that there are 5, count them, 5 nuclear powers in the region already, none of which want Iran to have nuclear weapons: 1. Israel, with hundreds of warheads no one dares mention. 2. Russia. 3. China. 4. Pakistan (Sunni Muslim, so they hate Shi’ite Iran more than anyone). 5. India. I’ll grant you that #4 and #5 are somewhat preoccupied with frying each other.

    With US forces in the Middle East: 1) Israel uses them as a convenient foil to draw Iran’s attacks; 2) Russia and China condemn them as a demonstration of the US’s imperial ambitions and compete to make allies in the Arab/Muslim world; 3) Pakistan IS part of the Arab/Muslim world, a US ally that is worse than an enemy. 4) India wants to be friends, but has a long memory of US betrayals and interference with its “friends” in the region.

    Without US forces in the Middle East: 1) Israel takes out Iran’s nuclear capability in one day, preferably with computer viruses and EMPs but with conventional bombs or tactical nukes if necessary (we all know they can and will, let’s not pretend); 2) Russia and China go back to baiting each other; 3) Without distractions from the US in Afghanistan, Pakistan will probably exchange nuclear pleasantries with India sooner or later, since that’s the obsession of its leadership. 4) We’ll miss India. It had such potential.

    Inserting US forces into the Middle East is like sticking a magnet into a bowl of iron filings: all of a sudden, EVERYONE has a common enemy and/or a “friend” to manipulate into attacking THEIR enemies. I say, leave the Middle East for a generation or so, and return to divvy up the real estate…which by then will be depopulated and blasted clean and flat.

    • Dave

      Sounds so “neat and simple” except for one thing – “they’re here!” unless you think the local mosque is really just a “house of worship” and should be like your local church, synagogue, or meeting house, considered sacred and something you can ignore because it’s irrelevant!

    • Joe H.

      403 Forbidden,
      One big hole in your post! Both Russia AND China are helping Iran to go nuke!!! They are also their protectors!!

      • Vigilant

        You’re correct, Joe, and let’s not forget that Pakistan and N. Korea supplied technology and materials for Iran’s ill-advised adventurism.

      • CoCowboy692000

        Don’t forget the French and uh… let’s see, was it Germany? German Companies were Seamans and Thiessan who cannot even do any gov’t contracts in the US. They build your elevators. One of these companies even sells/sold yellow cake to them…

        They created a monster in IRAN…

        Then you’ve got DPRK Russia and China selling to them too.

        • Jay

          How is Iran, a monster?

          • CoCowboy692000

            I’m sorry… I am not going to answer questions like that which aren’t serious. Just how old are you?

            You need to do some serious research if you were serious about this question, because there just isn’t enough room in this column to cover it all.

            I suggest you get to work… The information is readily available to you.

          • Jay

            “The information is readily available to you.”

            Would that be the Anti-Arab propaganda you’ve been ingesting all your life, old man?

          • CoCowboy692000

            You’re not helping your cause Jay… why such a chip on your shoulders? You’re obviously from the muddy east… if you hate it here so much, why not go back to the place from which you came?

            We don’t need you here… and yeah, I’ve seen plenty in my many years to convince me of just how evil your (islamic’s in general) intent is. This has gone on for generations and generations… History is litered with the bodies you guys have left behind… and the saddened families…

          • Jay

            Are you talking about the WEST, or the EAST? Boy, you really believe your sh*t doesn’t stink, hey stinky?

          • libertytrain

            jay this intellectual comment you posted makes me feel you have lost whatever debate you had going on.

  • FreedomFighter

    Looks like the world is going by the book.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyujOSEexM&ob=av2e

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Angel Wannabe

    Obama and The Liberals did nothing but squawk about getting our troops out of Afghanistan and stopping the War (frankly ten years was long enough)Now that they are out_ now dinglenuts in the White House wants another war with Iran__On the other hand and With being said,
    Ahmadinejad is a mad man__the only thing worse than a mad man, is a mad man with a trigger finger on a nuke button!

    • http://wolfpack2012.net JThaddeustoad

      Angel …. Getting our troops out of Afganistan and Iraq is a good Idea and BTW we will save alot of money …. There will never be democracy in these countries and it is not our place to install it…Afganistan is one of the principle suppliers of heroin to our drug culture…If we must do something in Afganistan we should scorched earth the poppy fields and take the nukes from Pakistan,this country does not even have flushing toilets and they have a nuke…The american people ned to get involved with their government and get rid of these dopes we have leading us…

      • Dave

        Another word for democracy is “mob rule” and if you look closely at each demonstration of “democracy” the Muslim Brotherhood has been orchestrating each incident from Egypt to Libya to Yemen and everywhere else “freedom has been exercised”. What may pass for “free elections” will no sooner be over than voila; Islam steps forward claiming the victory!!
        All this out of the playbook of Muhammad dating back to the 7th Century.

        • clarence swinney

          Muslim Brotherhood itsy bitsy
          Compared to Wall Stteet Of Israel

        • clarence swinney

          THANKS EXCELLENT ANALYSIS

      • Angel Wannabe

        JThaddeustoad___ we are caught between a shyte and a F*rt!_-I don’t endorse America being the policeman of the world, but we already are, can we dial it back and can we afford to turn our backs on Iran?

        • FreedomFighter

          We turned our backs on Globilist funded Hitler, didnt turn out well.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

    • Mark Are

      And the guy in the white house is a “sane” man with his finger on a nuke trigger? PSYCHOPATHS run the world people! About 2-6% of the population. That means WE vastly out number them. WHY DO WE KEEP FALLING FOR THEIR PIED PIPER BULL SH!T LIES?? Start voting for normal people. People who don’t want war, that want peace for humanity…LIKE THE “CRAZY” Ron Paul!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Mark Are, All due respect_the elections are rigged and tipped in the elitest favor and have been for a long time. Even when we do happen to get one of our own elected__After they’re sworn in, they’re paid off to shut up and do as they’re told__Isn’t it obvious, nothing ever gets done,no matter who gets in_ its only gets worse!

  • White Tiger TX

    Obamugabe is going to “direct” the war against IRAN????? Then we have lost the war already. The Messiah is incapable of directing the way to the White House toilets let alone direct a major military operation. Get real! The man is an incompetent moron with delusions of grandure.He couldn’t direct a one man parade.

  • http://wolfpack2012.net JThaddeustoad

    Forbidden …. Your accessment is correct …. The only likely outcome is that someone will use the nukes,and when that happens a full blown exchange will take place …. My faith dictates that this will not happen… The weakness of the Iranian theocracy has been well known by American,British,German and Israeli inteligence for years and that is the majority of the Iranian people oppose the Mullahs,a clear sign of this fact was given to the world when Armendinajad stole the election… The problem is the aformentioned countries had no leadership with the balls to exploit the opportunity… We need leadership not politicians

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    We have enough problems here in this country we dont need anymore.

  • Don the Canuck

    The U.S. better take a second look at what their foreign policy will be going forward. “Don’t wake a sleeping giant” used to be said in other countries and referred to the U.S. Now it will have to be said in the U.S. and refer to the new sleeping giant, and the U.S. needs to be careful that they do not wake this one up, because the U.S. will never recover from that.

    The U.S. population would do well in educating itself, from sources other than the MSM, before it is too late.

    • FreedomFighter

      Sleeping Dragon.

      Who has the dragon as a national symbol?

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • http://wolfpack2012.net JThaddeustoad

      Don … We are still the sleeping giant…. the last time we were wokenup was Vietnam at that time the world realized we were stupid and it let us go back to sleep while they continued on to today …. this time when the sleeping giant wakes up he will still be stupid but very very angry …. we are the global economic stability and because of the kind of dopes we have running this country the world is very scared.. and you are right we should think about who we ellect in 2012…

      • CoCowboy692000

        A quote (a warning) from President James Garfield, 1877:

        “Now, more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature…

        If the next centennial does not find us a great nation, it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces.”
        ======================================================================
        “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. …He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the…body politic so that it can no longer resist.”—Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 BC—43 BC)

    • Dave

      Try the Holy Scriptures and oddly enough, the Qur’an!!
      Both contain an “all or nothing” all encompassing approach to life; the former making sense, the latter a hodge-podge of comments more inscrutable and more an enigma than the former ever could be. Most Muslims haven’t and can’t read the Qur’an and most Islamic scholars are at odds and undecided about what they think. The consequences are still after 14 Centuries “very real”!!

      • CoCowboy692000

        Let me remind you that Islam wasn’t even “born” until around 700 AD (after Christ’s ascension). Islam is meaningless and based on a lie and is simply a supposed philosophy at best. The only reason it has thrived is because they’ve killed, maimed and threatened people and set laws forcing people into obedience.

        These people need Christ in the worst way! It’s just that simple. It’s always amazed me they actually have managed to scare 1.5 billion people into submission. Why they couldn’t or wouldn’t fight back is beyond me since most seem to have guns… unbelievable…

        Their people are poor, hungry, destitute in many cases, abused… I hardly think that mohammed has done them any favors…

        They need Christ who promises to lift them up, empower them and promise them eternal life – not a bunch of imaginary virgins for blowing themselves to smithereens… Talk about a population control scam!!

        • Jay

          The same could be said of Imperialist-Christian-America, you arrogant nematode!

          • CoCowboy692000

            JAY – YOU MUST BE A RAGHEAD… Why don’t you head over to one of the countries we’re bombing…. sounds like you need a few virgins…

          • Jay

            Ooooh, good one Cowboy. Anyone who doesn’t agree with your lunacy should be exterminated, right? You’re such a good Christian! Has it ever occurred to you, Cowboy, of all the millions of innocent people that will die because of blood-thirsty, hate-filled, idiots such as yourself?

    • clarence swinney

      DON THE GENIUS

      YOU ARE RIGHT ON TARGET KEEP aFTER IT

  • mikeles

    If you want to know when the decision to invade Iraq was made by the Bush administration, just go to the PNAC (Project for a New American Century) papers published in the late 1990s–yes, the ’90s! The mission statement signed by Cheney, and by Wolfowitz, and by Rumsfeld, and by JEB Bush, among several others, but not by the future President, George Bush. Hundreds of papers were published by the signatories of the mission statement outlining the whys and wherefores of the invasion of Iraq as early as 1998. Check it out!

    • clarence swinney

      Bill Kristol PNAC big push behind his Hebrew invasion of Iraq
      You lost a loved one get Kristol.+ Cheney Oil pals.
      You can google to get history of PNAC a Hebrew outfit

  • Alex Frazier

    If I ever find myself in the Oval Office, I can tell you that I would make it my personal goal to eliminate all nuclear weapons from the face of the planet, leaving only a few in the collective hands of the collective nations of the planet (not the UN, but the collective nations) in the event of some astronomical mishap, like a meteor speeding towards earth. The few missles that existed would have to be coded and triggered by all nations collectively. That way they could never be used as weapons, but only as tools to save earth from apocalyptic disaster.

    Any nation breaking the treaty would be attacked relentlessly until they were wiped off the face of the map.

    Fact is, my life shouldn’t have to be in jeopardy at the whims of madmen who liken themselves as being God, holding the power of my life or death in their hands. Nuclear weapons are bad. They don’t need to exist. No person should have the authority to command the immediate death of hundreds of thousands of people, military and civilian, with the wave of a hand. If they want to go to war, that’s one thing. If we want to have civilized battle, that’s one thing. But erradicating nations from the face of the planet in a single blow is a power that should be reserve to God alone, and how dare anyone think they should possess it.

    That includes us in the United States.

    • DaveH

      We’re all going to die someday, Alex. Until then, let’s Live Free!

    • clarence swinney

      Remember Gorbachev?
      Here Ron sign this declaration to destroy all nuclear weapons.
      OH! I cannot. I will have to give up my movie Star Wars.
      What an intellect!

      • CoCowboy692000

        LMAO – AND PEOPLE TRIED TO SAY REAGAN WASN’T GREAT!!! PUH-LEASE!!! WHO ELSE HAS PULLED OFF ANYTHING CLOSE TO THAT ONE??? EH?

        • Mark in LA

          Reagan was great if you like banker crooks, and illegal aliens and their employers. He was great if you like deficits as far as the eye can see and destroying our rights and turning us into a police state via the war on drugs. He was great if you like the neocon filth inhabiting our government since he brought them in. He is great if you like guest worker and free trade programs to destroy the middle class. He is great if you think Nancy should get free designer dresses. Yeah, he pulled off a lot.

          • CoCowboy692000

            ROFLMFAO!!! THIS COMING FROM SOMEONE IN CALIFORNIA!??? PLEASE TELL ME YOU’RE KIDDING… CA BEING THE EPITOME OF A SOCIALIST STATE AND EVERYTHING YOU JUST DESCRIBED!!! LAUGHABLE… THAT IS THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK…

  • TML

    “Insiders say it could save his career”

    Starting another war would further hurt his career, not save it.

    “Many historians have called it America’s last good war.”

    There has never been a good war, or a bad peace. The so-called historians are a joke.

    • DaveH

      The majority of them are Court Historians who will bend history to flatter Big Government.

    • Louis Gurske

      TML you my be right but you have to thing like Obama.

  • mikeles

    Janersea, the United States initiated this war with Iran in 1953 under the leadership of Kermit Roosevelt, the chief CIA agent in Teheran and nephew(?) of Theodore. After a legitimate election in that year, a socialist was named Prime Minister, and Kermit orchestrated a “coup” before the newly elected leader could even take office. The US then inserted the first Shah of Iran that lead to 26 years of despotism by him and his son, the second Shah. Ask yourselves how you would feel about a country that interfered in the legitimate outcome of an election and damne you and your nation to decades of butchery. Just look up “the coup of 1953″.

  • al sowins

    It is not “mind boggling” that politicians invoke stories of US military sacrifices and deeds of valor. You cite thousands dead and tens of thousands wounded, and hundreds decorated for bravery. Dubya sent those very courageous Americans to Iraq and Afghanistan to serve his purposes. They went to serve America.They deserve our gratitude and help and he deserves imprisonment for life. The corporal wounded charging the enemy pillbox, the sergeant killed saving his men, are our heroes. They are not disgraced warmongers. Lets not confuse the courageous with the corrupted; the Republic with the New World Order.

  • moonfield

    What we are seeing in the Middle east with Iran right now is the
    stage setting for Bible prophecy, read Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39,
    God says that Iran well be part of a group that attacks Israel, Keep
    your Eye on Russia and Turkey they well also be part of this band.

    And also all the stuff happening in Syria,it well not go good for the
    City of Damascus, for Damascus well be a heap of ruins, read Isaiah 17

    • Mark Are

      If I want to read fiction, I’ll go buy some Superman comic books.

      • DaveH

        It’s no more fiction than most of the History books we’ve endured in the Public Propaganda Schools. Anything written by man must be looked at with a jaundiced eye.

  • Mark M

    At least one country in the Middle East should quit fears of US military threats regardless. They have a right to protect themselves and develop nuclear programs. There are some reasons why we’re not in North Korea or China or Russia. Why should we be in Middle East? We should start minding our own business for God’s sake!
    Paying money to STOP nuclear program (if that’s really the burden) is substantially cheaper and with less civilian and military casualties, but obviously our military industry will be upset. More wars means better president — BANZAI!

  • http://liberyalearts john p.

    OBAMA is a very dangerous man .I think the Saudi’s control
    him they told him to bomb Libya .I would not put it past him
    to bomb Iran .The Saudi’s raised him and they funnel money to
    him for his election’s .

    • em

      john b , all we can do actually is take some aspirin and wait

    • Mark M

      Our beloved current president is controlled more by a dollar than by anything or anybody else. He’s pretty greedy, desperate and very hard to stop.

      • http://Personalliberty Tony

        Hey Mark:
        That, also, explains the motives of the Tea Party, would you not agree?

        • Joe H.

          Tony,
          I’m not ruled by the dollar, I just want my country back! The government is way too big, the debt is killing us and the illegal aliens(not undocumented workers) are sucking the life blood out of our employment picture! the freebies are bankrupting the country. You being from La La land should realize THAT!! Perhaps it is YOU who ar ruled by the almighty dollar??

    • NC

      John, I wouldn’t put it past Obama to bomb Tehran! If they attack one of our ships in international waters the tallest building left in Tehran might be a basement!

    • NC

      jOHN YOU NEED TO REPORT THESE SAUDI CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT! THEY ARE MORE THAN LIKLY ILLEGAL AND LEAD TO IMPEACHMENT! I READ A VERY “TRUE” REPORT AT THIS SITE JUST THE OTHER DAY ABOUT SOME MORE MONEY OBAMA HAS RECEIVED FROM SAUDIS! THAT THE POSTER SAID WAS ‘SECRET” MONEY. HIS NEAME IS “JUKEBOX”!!! WHO IN H*LL WOULD TELL A POSTER AT THIS SITE THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS RECEIVING ‘SECRET” MONEY? ESPECIALLY ONE NAMED “JUKEBOX”!!!!!!!!!! WHO MAKES THIS S**T UP FOR THE RIGHTWING???

      • Joe H

        Probably the same puke that makes up YOUR BS!! He must be pretty good at it too, as you spread it pretty THICK!!! Try some exlax dude, you’re constipated!!

  • willy cooper

    god help us if the american people dont step up and say no to this war with iran or any other country.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    I predicted a war with Iran in 1998. Any fool can see that these Islamic fanatics want a war with the entire world. This is not something new. The Persian mind is stuck in the past with dreams of dominating the world.

    • FreedomFighter

      They must cover the world in blood to bring some demon out of a well, though they may say it a different way. This 12th Imame of theres bears a striking resembalance to the anti-christ or some precursor to.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Mark M

      That’s our common dogma had been always spread that Persians would want to dominate the whole world. The only reason to it is military industry cravings for income and oil barons to extort barrels of oil under the banner of democracy builder. Just like in the old times of crusades.

  • em

    hello —- who are the war mongers and imperialists?

    • FreedomFighter

      Globalist Elite. Fanatic Islam, Lunatics.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • Mark Are

    When you have psychopaths running the show, you can expect psychopathic behavior. Maybe the movie should be entitled…Targeting Russia and China because that is who will most likely respond to us if “we” are dumb enough to attack Iran.

    • em

      mark ,,, that is what the news ignores ,,, the news says iran is “isolated” , isolated from whom ? the propaganda news media makes it sound like the u s and israhell already control the entire world ,,, somewhere along the line there will be a wake up call …

    • CoCowboy692000

      Who said anything about attacking IRAN? We are navigating INTERNATIONAL WATERS BY TREATY… Additionally, we have a negotiated right to be there by way of a base we have.
      Area of Operations:
      Middle East (Red Sea, Arabian Sea, Persian Gulf)

      Headquarters:
      Manama, Bahrain

      Fifth Fleet maintains a visible and powerful force to counter and deter threats to the Arabian [Persian] Gulf area. The Commander, US Naval Forces Central Command is the naval component commander for US Central Command responsible for combat operations in the Middle East. Fifth Fleet was initially established 26 April 1944.

      IF IRAN DECIDES TO ATTACK US FIRST, IN VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO FIGHT BACK AND DEFEND OURSELVES AND OUR ALLIES. THEY WOULD BE MAKING A HUGE MISTAKE BECAUSE RUSSIA AND CHINA WILL ***NOT*** BACK THAT PLAY. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE THERE AND HAVE HAD FOR SEVERAL DECADES, AS THEY WELL KNOW.

      • DaveH
        • CoCowboy692000

          Dave – I am very aware of this information. I also posted some things above regarding this. Here’s the thing. If Iran wants this to go away, it is easy. All they must do is allow the FULL unobstructed inspections of their nuclear sites. They ARE signatories to SEVERAL treaties.

          This is DPRK revisited. The US and many other nations are simply not going to allow another rogue nation to have nuclear weapons without the inspections and compliance with the treaties. It’s just that simple.

          So, if Ahmadinejad wants the very harsh sanctions to go away, he knows what he must do. Get rid of his pride, allow the inspectors [unfettered access] and that means EVERY SITE including the underground sites, and then the report must be a positive report. SIMPLE… Until then, they’ve no room to cry about what is happening to them…

          • Jay

            Regulating nuclear activities is the responsibility of the IAEA. So far, the IAEA has declared that Iran does not have nuclear weapons and is in compliance with the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. That’s more than we can say about the USA, which is supposed to be actively disarming its 10,000 warheads, not refurbishing them and developing new kinds of nuclear weapons. Though there are good reasons to think Iran does not want nuclear weapons, let’s imagine, just for the sake of argument, that Iran would someday acquire them. Humanity has managed to live with other countries having nukes. The only reason Iran’s having nukes would be of greater concern would be if the lies spelled out above were true. But they’re lies.

          • CoCowboy692000

            OOPS – I guess you missed all of those news clips a few months ago in GA where they shot footage of the disassembly and distruction of our nuclear missles… hmmm… you musta been busy at an OWS or something. Additionally, the IAEA report which took place well over a year ago in Iran, was UNFAVORABLE to IRAN… which IS WHY AMERICA AND EUROPE IS INSISTING on new inspections… Try to keep up Jay…

          • Jay

            You lie, Cowboy. Unfortunately, we are at the point-of-no-return. Since the current administration is hell-bent on invading Iran, all information regarding Iran will be either fabricated, or misconstrued. You are either a shill, or your patriotism has blinded you!

          • Joe H

            Jay,
            And that “attack”(wink, wink) WILL happen!!! Whether Iran wants to or not!!!

          • CoCowboy692000

            You lie, Cowboy. Unfortunately, we are at the point-of-no-return.
            JAY – You, are a piece of SH|T for calling me a liar! I DO NOT LIE AND I AM NO SHILL. I DO MY RESEARCH AND I WATCHED A VERY GOOD CLIP OF THE NUKES BEING DISMANTLED AND DESTROYED… GO TO HE||….

          • Jay

            Doesn’t take much to push you over the edge, hey cowboy?

          • CoCowboy692000

            Well I’ll tell you what Jay… You can tell a man a lotta things… but to tell him he’s a liar, is another thing. You WOULD NOT do that to my face, I can promise you that.

      • Michael Hardesty

        We the USA are lying thugs and bullies, we decided what Iranian waters are ‘international’ waters. Iran has every right to evict us.
        You neoconmen need to take your rat poison elsewhere.
        Co-Cowboy you have the very low IQ of the Bushmen , please cancel your sub, you stink !

  • em

    i am old , but most of my potential answers become endless questions , from experience i know that it really hurts when a finger suddenly gets cut off (oh my how that hurts ((and for a long time)) , how many species are extinct and or suffered because of mankind ? will suffering ever end ? as individuals or groups will we ever be able to end suffering or death ,, a wolf kills for survival , we kill for illusions of grandeur , in the end is there any difference ? we are all prisoners upon this earth and in the end the grim reaper will claim all of us ,,, trillions have died before us , perhaps after the total decimation of every living creature there will no longer be suffering or death …

    • Richard Pawley

      Sorry, you haven’t found more answers in your life, but millions of species died off long before man arrived on earth. You ask some great questions but it would take longer to attempt to answer them than I have time. Maybe this will help. It is the true story (greatly shortened) of Dr. George Ritchie. I first came across this some 35 years ago and found it helpful at the time:

      “In December, 1943, George Ritchie died of pneumonia. Nine minutes later, miraculously and unaccountably, he returned to life to tell of his amazing near-death experience in the afterlife. His near-death experience was the one that profoundly moved Raymond Moody to begin seriously investigating the near-death experience. Since Dr. Moody is considered to be the “father of the near-death experience,” Dr. Ritchie’s near-death experience is in a class of its own. You will find his experience to be one of the most profound near-death experiences ever documented.

      “The following is a brief summary of Dr. George Ritchie’s near-death experience. You can read his NDE testimony in its entirety in his ground-breaking books Return From Tomorrow and his follow-up book Ordered to Return: My Life After Dying.

      “George leaves his body and sees it lying in his bed. He is not aware the dead body in his bed is his. Wanting eagerly to travel to Richmond, Virginia to start college, he finds himself flying in the air toward a city. He is not sure how he acquired these strange powers of flight and transparency. He arrives at a city and discovers he has lost his solidness. He flies back to the hospital and sees his lifeless body in the morgue and realizes he has died.

      “Suddenly, Jesus appears emitting a tremendous light and love. George’s entire life appears before him. Jesus asks, “What have you done with your life?” He realizes Jesus is not judging him, but he is judging himself.

      “Jesus gives him a tour of four different dimensions in the afterlife. They both fly toward a large city on Earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. He witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to obtain a cigarette from the workers who are oblivious to her presence. This woman died severely addicted to cigarettes.

      “In a house, Jesus shows him the spirit of a boy following a living teenage girl and begging for forgiveness while the girl is completely unaware of the boy’s presence. Jesus tells George that the boy committed suicide and is “chained to every consequence of his act.”

      “Jesus shows George a bar filled with sailors who are heavily drinking. Spirits try desperately and in vain to get a drink or to control the sailors’ alcoholic behavior. These spirits are from humans who die severely alcoholic. He is horrified as he observes a drunken sailor pass out and an alcoholic spirit jump into the body of the sailor.

      “Jesus takes him to a new dimension away from Earth and shows him a kind of “receiving station” where spirits would arrive in a deep hypnotic sleep because of their beliefs. These are spirits who believe they must sleep after death until Jesus returns.

      “Jesus shows him a dimension where angry spirits are locked in hand-to-hand combat, trying in vain to hurt each other. He hears verbal abuse going on. He observes some trying in vain to get sexual gratification from each other. He also sees spirits arguing over some religious or political point and trying to kill the ones who did not agree with them. Here, he realizes he is seeing hell. These are spirits who are locked into some earthly desire that went beyond the physical and which cannot be satisfied in the spirit.

      “He is then taken to a different dimension appearing like an enormous university. Here he observes people dressed as monks engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. He is taken into an enormous library where all the important books of the universe are assembled. He asks Jesus if this is heaven. He replies that these are the people who grew beyond selfish desires while on Earth. George realizes these people cannot see Jesus, just as the others could not see him in hell.

      “Jesus takes him into outer space toward a distant city made of brilliant light of a similar description to the city in the Book of Revelation. He speculates this is the place where people go who have become Christ-like while on Earth. Here, love was the dominant focus of life. He realizes he is seeing heaven, but he is not allowed to go in. Jesus then shows him the future of the Earth. He then returns to his physical body.”

      “Death is nothing more than a doorway, something you walk through.” – Dr. George Ritchie”

      (My thought is thus: just live so that you end up where you want to be and not in one of the other places. If you don’t know how to do that just read the four gospels and the section called ACTS right after them in the New Testament of the Bible. That will give you more than I could hope to do. In other words read what Jesus actually said)

      • CoCowboy692000

        That sounds like some serious, serious, serious drugs…

        It doesn’t sound like anything I’ve read in the Word…

        Which means… it is a counterfeit…

        • Michael Hardesty

          What MORONIC reasoning, if you haven’t read something with your very limited intellect it doesn’t exist !
          You STINK !

  • Raggs

    The ends justifies the means.. Isn’t that what all of this is about oblamas re-usurping?

  • Jagans

    This is off topic, but last week I watched a special about US air transporting WW2 Veteransto see the WW2 Memorial in Washington DC.
    The Aircraft was completely full of decorated WW2 veterans and their Guides, who were in many cases nurses, as many of the Vets were in wheelchairs. When I saw that these Veterans had to take off their shoes, and go through all of the security measurs just like any other commercial flight, I became enraged. These men and women are in their 80′s and even 90′s, have proven their loyalty without question, and they are put through this kind of security check??????? All this did was show them how the freedoms that they won through spilling of their blood to maintain are no longer there due to leadership in Washington that has bungled every facit of our foreign policy, and our security. WE, the USA. armed Bin-Laden against the Russians in Afghanistan. Why? We gave Saddam the Nerve gas he used on the Kurds. WHy????? It is time for a man like Ron Paul. Maybe under his leadership, our veterans wont have to take off their shoes.

    • DaveH

      Why did the veterans have to take off their shoes? Because it isn’t about Security. It’s about Domination. Like a spoiled child testing to see what he can get away with, the Government is testing to see how far they can trample our Fourth Amendment rights before we finally say ‘ENOUGH!’.

    • Joe H

      Jagans,
      show me some proof that we supplied saddam with gas! I agree with all the other you posted, but I don’t believe WE gave him the nerve gas he used on the khurds or the iranians, so show me a site to prove it!!
      I agree the Us is trying to start something with iran but if you are going to accuse, make it the truth because a lie only serves to make people think ALL of it is a lie!!

      • Jay

        Saddam: Made in the USA. How the Reagen/Bush Sr. Administrations Backed Saddam.

        http://www.socialistalternative.org/literature/war/madeinusa.html

        • joe H.

          Jay,
          Who put out that report? for all I know from the site it could be your next door neighbor. there is no identity or “about us” page. there is nothing to tell who the guy is!!

          • Jay

            Here’s another source Joe, concurring with the above author. Joe, the fact that the US administration, via the CIA, was instrumental in placing Saddam Hussein in power, and assisting Iraq in the war against Iran, is old news. How could you not be aware of it?

            http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html

  • eddie47d

    John Meyers only strengthens the call for voting for Ron Paul. He is the only potential leader who would make every attempt to keep us out of war without proper approval. Even if Congress approves a war Ron Paul will continue to challange the validity of such actions and won’t take it lightly. As Meyers said “the military does have an unlimited budget” and the bigger their budget means the more wars they are willing to facilitate. That old saying “use what you got or lose it” comes to mind. Take away some of those toys from the Defense Department so they can appreciate what they do have and not waste it on unnecessary wars. Keep our defenses close to home not out there intimidating other nations.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/government/17-pols-make-judicial-watchs-top-10-most-corrupt-list/?eiid= william L Collins

    yes the arabs payed bush to take out saddam hossine just like the payed hillary and obama on the libya war bush set out to just to kill saddam any way he could just like obama and hillary took out omar cadaffiy out of libyia they all are doing what blooburge and the elite new world order tells them to do and our sons and dauthers die for it not theres thats why every body needs to vote for RON PAUL to stop this madness or at least slow it down be there and done that why do you people so many vets are backen RON PAUL for

    • Ted Crawford

      Give it up William. Iowa was Pauls best chance to win, he is finished as a viable Republican candidate. If he can be kept from launching a Third Party campaign, we will defeat Obama on November 6th and have a, small but reasonable, chance of remaining a major player on the World stage!

      • TML

        “Iowa was Pauls best chance to win, he is finished as a viable Republican candidate.”

        Placed 3rd and you say he’s finished? Lol… you are WAY premature.

        “If he can be kept from launching a Third Party campaign, we will defeat Obama on November 6th and have a, small but reasonable, chance of remaining a major player on the World stage!”

        You might find it interesting to know that the only reason we got to be a major player in the “world stage” is by following ideals such as what Paul stands for. We certainly didn’t get there by acting like a despotic empire hell bent on ruling the world, or bullying nations and making war with them, as we do now… and apparently as you would like us to continue doing.

        People such as you have the worst morals, zero principles, and absolutely no character whatsoever.

        • Ted Crawford

          One wonders why you Paul supporters feel the need to always resort to character assignations in defence of a person who clocks himself in the mantal of the Constitution, only to hide his irresponsibility and cowardice in its pages!

          • Joe H

            Ted,
            Where did YOU serve??? I mean, if you are calling Ron Paul a coward and he served from 63 to 65 actively and in the air reserve from 65 to 68, then YOu must have been battle hardened!!! were you VietNam? Iraq? kuwait? Afghanistan? WHERE?? If you didn’t actively FIGHT then you need to get off the “coward ” CRAP!!

          • Ted Crawford

            I served two tours in Viet Nam, 1967 &’68′ and 1970 &’71′. I thought to be a career soldier. I was awarded the Purple Heart with two clusters and ended my”career” with a medical discharge.I served in the L.R.R.P.s, Dr. Paul was, well a doctor, which means he never humped the bush but remained in base camp. If you note his time of service you wikk also note that this was a couple of years before we had any major combat troops in country. We fought very different wars!

          • TML

            “One wonders why you Paul supporters feel the need to always resort to character assignations in defence of a person who clocks himself in the mantal of the Constitution, only to hide his irresponsibility and cowardice in its pages!”

            I assume you meant “cloaks” instead of “clocks”… however, if you bothered to take a look at his 30 year consistent voting record it would be quite obvious that there is no “cloaking” going on.

            What you seem to not be able to understand is that we don’t defend ‘him’ as much as we defend what he represents… we the people; which is more than I can say for any other politician or presidential hopeful in my lifetime. It’s a movement, not a campaign, and we the people have made it possible for him to run for office. That is the way it should work.

            Irresponsible? Cowardice? I’m sure that you are referring to his non-interventionalist policies, but what escapes your poor intellect is that it requires more courage and responsibility to not intervene, rather than succumbing to ones fears so much as to support preemptive war against a brother or neighbor. THAT is the true coward. (Kinda how you are, eh?)

            Also, perhaps you’re not aware of the courage it takes to stand in the crosshairs and speak the truth, or put ones head on the chopping block merely for the benefit of the people. Whether he wins or not… his message is being spread, and accepted more and more.

            What I really find interesting, even in the course of time that I’ve been on this siter… people everywhere at first ridiculed him for the truth, and now they adamantly oppose him for the truth. It won’t be long now until they accept the truth he speaks as self evident.

          • TML

            “I served two tours in Viet Nam”

            So we can assume your as screwed in the head as McCain. You realize that war started because of a false flag staged by the U.S. right?

            Served or not… you’re the coward for acting on fear alone to support preemtive war.

          • joe H.

            TML,
            I also served in Nam from 70 to 71, eighteen months and I am not screwed up in the head. I kinda resent that remark. I support Dr. Paul 110%! There are MANY Viet vets that support him! Are they messed up in the head as well?

          • joe H.

            Ted,
            my step brother was in country in 65 and recieved two purple hearts for wounds recieved in COMBAT so do not tell ME that we didn’t have combat troops there at that time!! YOU need to do a little more research before you try to belittle someone elses service!!

      • DaveH

        Ted,
        That is wishful thinking on your part. The show is just beginning.
        Watch out what you wish for, though, because it might come true. You would know that if you paid more attention to the votes of the Tea Party Congressmen. Government just keeps growing. And it does so because there are still an overabundance of heavily propagandized sheeple who buy into the myth that Government can right every wrong. If we don’t get Ron Paul or Gary Johnson, and a boatload of True Conservatives in Congress, we may not get another chance at reversing the Federal Behemoth.
        But if all else fails, Ted, at least you can be happy in the knowledge that the Leaders love you.

        • Ted Crawford

          DaveH
          “Beware the wolf in sheeps clothing”! Anarchy is not a better form of government, it’s just a different form of evil!

          • TML

            “Beware the wolf in sheeps clothing”! Anarchy is not a better form of government, it’s just a different form of evil!

            Individual freedom and responsibility does not equate to “anarchy”, genius.
            No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him. That isn’t Anarchy.

            Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.

    • CoCowboy692000

      William – I had one hell of a hard time trying to figure out what you were trying to say. So – Firstly, if you don’t know how to spell something – LOOK IT UP… We will wait.

      Now then, if we were being paid by all of these supposed ARABS to take out these leaders, would you care to tell me: Just where the he|| is all of this money we have earned?

      We haven’t heard one thing about ANY of these nations paying up on their debt to US that they promised as a result of our participation in a war, which was undeclared (I’m giving you that one)…

      EUROPE – GIVE US OUR DAMN MONEY… and the rest of you too!

  • 45caliber

    The only kind of attack I’d care to see done on Iran would be the drop a few big bombs and then forget them.

    • mickey

      yes nuck Iran that would make a great sandbox for Europe to play in.

    • DaveH

      Wouldn’t that make us the Aggressors?

    • Jay

      Why? What has Iran done to us, that we should drop a couple of bombs, and forget about them?

  • mickey

    I say declare war on Kenya after all thats where the problem was born.

    • NC

      Did you report to your Congressman that you have enough evidence to prove that Obama was born in Kenya? Did you report that to the bush Deparment of Justice? Man,I’ll bet that Oreally would give you a free coffee mug for that information and have you on his show> Would have to be the high point of your life!!!!Better yet, I’m sure that Ann Coulter would even take your PROOF and co-write a book! She writes one a week to sell to the sheep!

      • DaveH

        Can you prove that he was born in Hawaii?

      • Joe H

        now THERE would be a story, Dave!!! Finally proof positive that he was born in Hawaii!!! I wonder if he can prove that Abummer went to HARVARD??? I wonder if NC can prove the way Abummer FUNDED his education?? NOW THERE WOULD BE A STORY!!! I’ll bet The View would have NC on their show IF HE COULD ONLY PROVE THAT!!! I won’t watch the line up for him, though!!!

  • bud

    Geez Man, if you are going to write an article at least let it make some sense! Your article sounded like something a chimp would write given a typewriter and about 10 years of random tapping.

  • bud

    Not all military and ex-military folks support Paul. I for one see him like my college professor. To a bunch of ill informed students he sounded like a wise person with knowledge that could solve any problem. But to those older, or at least those with “real” life experiences he appeared to be a person who had ideas that just didn’t work in the real world. Think of Superman. That guy can solve all manner of problems – but only in the funny papers.

    • TML

      “To a bunch of ill informed students he sounded like a wise person with knowledge that could solve any problem.”

      It isn’t just students who support him, genius

      “But to those older, or at least those with “real” life experiences he appeared to be a person who had ideas that just didn’t work in the real world.”

      So even though he has more support from the military than Obama and all other GOP candidates combined, you simply assert that all those military men and women don’t have “real” life experiences, or are as ill informed as college students?
      You have amazing arrogance.

      “Think of Superman. That guy can solve all manner of problems – but only in the funny papers.”

      Nice ‘real world’ example there buddy

    • DaveH

      So, I’m going to assume that you’re older, Bud, and can tell us which of Ron Paul’s ideas are valid?

      • DaveH

        Or NOT Valid?

      • Joe H

        Hey Bud,
        I’m 61, a nam vet and I support Ron Paul 110%!!! Enough “life” experience for you??? Just so you know, I have three kids, one in college, one handicapped, and one working about 60 hrs a week!!! Good kids and I’m proud of them. They are supporting R. Paul as well!!! my father In law is 82, a WW2 vet, retired, and he supports R. Paul, as well!!! RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!

        • libertytrain

          joe – did you mean perhaps he was a Korean Vet? He’s kind of young…

          • joe H.

            libertytrain,
            No, he was a WW2 vet, served in Germany with the Black Horse brigade. I DID screw up on his age, he is 86, Mea Culpa!!

          • libertytrain

            Dad my dad just died at 86 and was 16 when his mom let him enlist in WWII so that’s why I was confused. Your dad would have had to have been 12 —- :)

  • TML

    “Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death.” – Adolf Hitler

    It seems our own America has adopted this policy as it uses it’s “war on terror” to fit any enemy under that umbrella… even it’s own citizens. And many of the American people, all of those who chant for war against Iran, take it hook line and sinker.

  • Davec

    Iran will look very pretty as a sea of glass should Israel decide it would like to make it happen.

  • http://unknown barasheet

    Hey, Bryan. Bless you brother, but get your facts straight. A pre-trib rapture was NOT taught or believed in until the Pope ordered a Jesuit priest in the 1200′s to come up with another explanation concerning prophecy. He did this to stop people from associating him with the Antichrist and the Catholic church with the Beast. If you read your Bible carefully (use your Strong’s concordance!), you will find NO secret rapture, NO semi-second coming of Christ, and NO reason to separate the 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy from the 69th week. Read Matthew 24 CAREFULLY: Christ makes it clear! The current accepted “interpretation” of Biblical prophecy is a red herring made to deceive, if possible, even the Elect.

    Bless you brother but a pretribulation gathering was taught since
    51AD when Paul wrote the first letter to the thessolonian church from Corinth. Paul believed this as is expained by his word usage at the time of the writing.In this passage we are informed about the comforting effect the harpardzo will have and in fact we are to comfort each other we are admonished to comfort each other vwith this fact. Paul also informs us that the general world position will be one of saying peace and safety to each other and this is when sudden destruction will come to them by the hand of God via the seven year trbulation preiod, we are told Christians are not in darkness so this Day of the Lord, a day of Judgement will not sweep up any true christian whether they are a sleep, that is not watching or living carefully or a wake. But Paul follows with an admonation to watch and be sober. Also Jesus in John14 says He is preparing a heavenly place for His followers, christians for want of a better word,and He that is Jesus is coming to take His follows with Him to heaven.

    I will not go into the 1,2,3,4,5 centuries written acknowlegement of christians waiting in that era for His follows to be gathered to Him.

    This twelve century Catholic plot is new to me, most deniers of the pretribulation rapture speak of a little Scottish girl who had revelation from God in the 18 century and then Darby of the Plymouth Brethren carrying on the supposed nonsense.

    Now your statement …if you read your bible carefully… is quite loaded. I read my bible ‘carefully’ and read the rapture into it. I also read two differing companies on planet earth. Christians, or His church and Israel, His nation. This is where the problem lies. If you read your bible carefully, you will see in Matt 24 that Jesus told His listeners that when the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet to flee from Judea to the Mountains…Israel not New York, America, this abomination is also to be in the Holy Place, the temple which is to be built. You need to understand Jesus was talking to Jewish people in language, symbols and culture which was Jewish. He had a high context society which didnt need to do studies in language, symbolism, culture, geography etc etc.I wont go into the problem with the peretist position or the amillinium problem just will say scripture is best explained with out all the convolution and adhoc answers by a pretribulation rapture followed by the seven week times of JACOBS trouble to get a contrary country back to its God. The bible is Israel centric in the main with eternal truths. Thus in Genesis 12 He will bless those who bless and curse those who curse Israel, This should be every countries diplomatic stance on Israel.

    • Thomas A. Wathen Jr.

      PREACH BROTHER!!!

    • Thomas A. Wathen Jr.

      Be Ready!!!

      “Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give to me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.” – II Tim. 4:8

      • Deerinwater

        Hmm? ~ 7 7/8 I figure would fit that big head.

  • DaveH

    The Scofflaw Commie pulls out all the stops in a preview of what we might expect in November of 2012:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/stirring-fight-obama-names-consumer-223106425.html

    Obama said: “I refuse to take ‘no’ for an answer.”

  • Jay

    A new American war hysteria is rising, this time over Iran, and – like its predecessor with Iraq – this one employs “defectors” who come forward, often under the umbrella of neocon organizations, to impart alarming tales.
    The latest example is a “default judgment” by a U.S. federal judge implicating Iran in the 9/11 attacks. It is based largely on Iranian “defectors” whose testimony was given without Iranian lawyers or anyone else present to challenge the lurid claims. Since Iran has no diplomatic relations with the United States and rejects the judgments of U.S. courts, the “default judgment” was predictable. Nevertheless, it is being used as another talking point for launching a war against Iran.

    http://consortiumnews.com/2011/12/30/muslim-haters-tie-iran-to-911/

    Nevertheless, it is being used as another talking point for launching a war against Iran. [For a dissection of the Iran-9/11 case, see Gareth Porter’s analysis, “Muslim Haters Tie Iran to 9/11.

  • Jay

    Will Washington dispense with a new round of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran? Or will the warmongers in the White House march for war against the country?

    In a dramatic move which was apparently contrary to his desire, US President Barack Obama on Saturday signed into law tough new sanctions against Iran targeting the country’s Central Bank and financial sector in a bid to administer an economic coup de grace against Iran.

    Foreign firms are now to make a choice between doing business with the Iranian financial sector and Central Bank or the US economy and financial sector. In signing the bill, Obama harbored some secret fear that such an act would skyrocket the oil prices and that it would be terminally detrimental to the ailing economy of Washington as well as to global economy.

    Needles to say, such a measure was encouraged and propelled by the warmongers in the White House and the powerful Zionist lobby.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=SAL20120104&articleId=28497

  • Jay

    THE REAL REASON FOR THE WAR WITH IRAN!!!

    The U.S. media tells us that Iran may be the next target of U.S. aggression. The anticipated excuse is Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons program. William Clark tells us that economic reasons may have more to do with U.S. concerns over Iran than any weapons of mass destruction.

    In mid-2003 Iran broke from tradition and began accepting eurodollars as payment for its oil exports from its E.U. and Asian customers. Saddam Hussein attempted a similar bold step back in 2000 and was met with a devastating reaction from the U.S. Iraq now has no choice about using U.S. dollars for oil sales. However, Iran’s plan to open an international oil exchange market for trading oil in the euro currency is a much larger threat to U.S. dollar supremacy than Iraq’s switch to euros.

    While the dollar is still the standard currency for trading international oil sales, in 2006 Iran set up an oil exchange (or bourse) that facilitated global trading of oil between industrialized and developing countries by pricing sales in the euro, or “petroeuro.” To this end, they are creating a euro-denominated Internet-based oil exchange system for global oil sales. This is a direct challenge to U.S. dollar supremacy in the global oil market. It is widely speculated that the U.S. dollar has been inflated for some time now because of the monopoly position of “petrodollars” in oil trades. With the level of national debt, the value of the dollar has been held artificially high compared to other currencies.

    http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/9-irans-new-oil-trade-system-challenges-us-currency/

    • Thomas A. Wathen Jr.

      “Democracies have serious drawbacks. They certainly are not better than they ought to be. But corruption can occur under any kind of government. And I think that every serious student of history will agree, upon consideration, that our Western democracies are not only the most prosperous societies in history – That is important, but not so very important – but the freest, the most tolerant, and the least repressive large societies of which we have historical knowledge… One must fight those who make so many young people unhappy by telling them we live in a terrible world, in a capitalist hell. The truth is we live in a wonderful world, in a beautiful world, and in an astonishingly free and open society. Of course it is fashionable, it is expected, and it is almost demanded from a Western intellectual to say the opposite.”
      Karl Popper

  • Thomas A. Wathen Jr.

    Iran has no one else to blame for whatever befalls them. They’ve continued to thumb their nose at us and the rest of the world as they get dangerously close to the point of no return. Ahmadinanutjob is not kidding when he says that he wants to wipe us and Israel off the map. Now they want to treaten us to get the USS Stinnis out of the Gulf of Oman?!! I’d sent in the rest of the Fifth Fleet and say OK mow talk smack towel heads!!!

    • Jay

      LIE NUMBER 1: President Ahmadinejad “has repeatedly threatened to wipe Israel off the map.”

      Even Al Jazeera English version based in Qatar keeps saying that. Why hasn’t this mistranslation been corrected after it’s been thoroughly exposed? ( in the Guardianand prisonplanet.com )

      Juan Cole, in Informed Comment, explained how “wiped off the map” was a mistranslation; Ahmadinejad was restating the official Iranian policy that the government system based on Zionism must end. And why the heck can’t newscasters learn to pronounce the man’s name? Anyone who knows Farsi could teach them in a minute. Why should we think they know what he said, in Farsi, if they can’t even say his name?

      • Deerinwater

        Jay says; “LIE NUMBER 1: President Ahmadinejad “has repeatedly threatened to wipe Israel off the map.”

        I admit, I’ve never heard him say that. I have seen him refuse to agree is Israels right to exit though. I wouldn’t think it a trick question.

      • T.A.Wathen JR.

        Gegarato bakharum izziezam, coonie moto gende!!! Please forgive me if my spelling isn’t quite correct.

      • Ted Crawford

        Ahmadinejad has very, very little to say about the policies of Iran. That country is run by, currently the Ayatollah Khamenei, with the Majlis and the Guardian Council, using Sharia law as a basis. their often stated purpose is to force this 12th. century idiocy throughout the entire planet!
        Going to Al Jazcera for the truth is akin to looking in the New York Time for it! To locate it in either source one needs to turn to the Obituarys, and even that is suspect!

  • Deerinwater

    John Myer, why did you write such a piece?

    Cleverly written distraction at best.

    You have now gotten 398 people in a fret over nothing.

    You have some wild bunch of folks that show up here. I wouldn’t depend on them to oversee parking on PTA night at the elementary school.

    No time to editorialize the Iowa results and make deadlines?

    Hmm? Not having the deadline to met would you like for me to do it?

    It was a dirty sock fight with one obvious loser and no clear winner.

    • BigBadJohn

      Same strategy that seems to work during the Bush administration, its called :

      FEAR MONGERING except now instead of using it to get people to rally behind the president, he is using it to scare them against this president.

    • Vigilant

      Deerinheadlights/bob wire says, “You have now gotten 398 people in a fret over nothing.”

      Yeah, right. Iowa caucus results are more important than the possibility of military action and deaths of servicemen. Having trouble prioritizing, bob?

      • Jay

        I would have to agree with you on that one, vigilant!

  • CoCowboy692000

    I read the column, though I don’t always post however I really do have to say; Boy, it’s no wonder I see the left on here from time to time saying what a bunch of friggin nutjobs some of you can be… (not all of you)

    I have to agree… it’s true! DAMN! GOOD GRIEF!

  • Tired Of John Myers Writings

    John Myers comments again about fighting wars. I bet his deferment status is 4-F so if he has anything to say he should keep it to himself or volunteer to fight the wars he talks about. Excuse the pun, John Myers, but fat chance.

    • Richie

      You must have missed the Bob Livingston article about what you need to be doing on Christmas day. Give your head a shake will you. This is the real world where guns go pow pow.

    • JC

      Kind of lost track of what it means to be an American, haven’t you?
      Are you seriously suggesting that American civilians should have no say at all about whether or not THEIR nation goes to war?
      That only eligible military folks should make those decisions?
      Herr Hitler would have agreed with you wholeheartedly.

  • http://tvfmontana.org dickm

    ‘m firmly convinced that the only ones that want war are the so-called leaders of whatever country. The leaders god is power and it’s all encompassing. The meglomaniacs are warmongers, certifiably insane and need to be removed. Obama is a meglomaniac. In order to maintain power, he will create an incident as the rationale to impose martial law. Occupy Wallstreet was an organizational exercise to prepare for the next election. Bomb-bomb Iran may be the incident to impose martial law.

    • Vigilant

      “Bomb-bomb Iran may be the incident to impose martial law.”

      You’ll have to explain yourself there. On what pretext would military action with another nation result in martial law in the US?

      • CoCowboy692000

        That, and there has been plenty of them, was far and away THE DUMBEST REMARK BY FAR IN THIS THREAD….. OMG!

        TRY READING THE NDAA BILL… If you can get through over a thousand pages of dry reading, and then oh yeah, can’t forget all of the cross ref’s…

        GOOD GRIEF…..

        • Vigilant

          I repeat the question: “On what pretext would military action with another nation result in martial law in the US?”

          Be specific in your answer, instead of referring to the generalities. Let me be clear, I’m talking about war with another nation, not internal strife.

      • JC

        Vigilant, I think it’s obvious by now that the Government of the United States is completely off its leash and has its own agenda for us. How much of an excuse do you think they would need to implement Martial Law? What are all those anti-American laws adding up to?

        Americans seem to be aware of it too.
        In the six days before this last Christmas, American’s bought a record amount of guns and ammunition. People are getting ready and that is good to see.

        • Vigilant

          JC, I agree with you to an extent. There’ no doubt the Gubment has gone way beyond its Constitutional powers, and that bodes ill for personal freedoms. However, I don’t believe that Iran would ever be a catalyst (excuse) for the crackdown.

          It would take something much more dangerous to the survival of the tyrannous government in the form of internal strife. I really don’t think American passions are inflamed over Iran, nor would they be to the extent that any “wild in the streets” scenario would follow US involvement in war with Iran.

          More likely, complete collapse of the global financial system would be more likely to precipitate such a scenario. Government credibility, as small as that may be now, would be in much more jeopardy if the excuse for using martial force was not comparable to the level of internal violence.

          • JC

            Well, with a few differences of opinion, I think we’re pretty much on the same page.

  • T.A.Wathen Jr.

    Message for Ayatollah Khomeini; Bend over and touch your toes and we’ll show you where the Tomahawk cruise missile goes! What kind of reply do you have for that deerindeepkimchi?!

  • CoCowboy692000

    Note to self: Cancel subscription to this stupid newsletter.

    • Jay

      Adios, nut-job!

      • CoCowboy692000

        Adios – Raghead…

        • Jay

          Didn’t you say you were leaving?

          • Tom W.

            No he said, bend over and touch your toes, and he’ll show you where the boot and spurs go!!!

          • Jay

            Nice one, GAY-BOY!

          • libertytrain

            Jay – was that supposed to be intellectual debate? It’s not apparent.

          • Jay

            Hey libertytrain, why don’t you mind your own business, and let me deal with my detractors. Funny how you didn’t level your holier-than-thou criticism to either cowboy, or Tom W. Whom, i suspect, are one in the same? Are you suggesting that their comments/personal-attacks, are intellectually superior? GET OFF MY BACK!

          • Tom W.

            Hey Jay, a two year old is intellectually superior to you, ain’t that right Cowboy? You tell him Tom!!! He sure had us figured out though, didn’t he? Just a lucky guess Cowboy.

  • hithadeck

    God help us if Obama feels like a war would be necessary to guarantee his reelection! I am beginning to think his reelection is more of a threat than Iran’s nuclear capabilities. Radical Islam will be the winner in the end even if we defeat Iran in a war. The billions of dollars to fight a new war and the habit of rebuilding a country after we defeat our enemy with no payback will send us into a world class depression. Iraq is a prime example and look what is happening in Pakistan where American flags are burning in the streets. What about the atomic bombs they already have. It is time to settle down and set up instant nuclear defensive weapons and target their leaders for assassination. They cannot hide from our technology and we need a president to tell them that we not put one American on their soil to stop their aggression but we will stop them with our technology.

  • simian pete

    It’s interesting to see how a President, who has no combat experience, is so pre-disposed to initiate a war !!!

    I just finished eating “A Taste of India – Spiced Rice with Raisins” microwaveable quick meal. It tasted very good ! India’s cuisine sure has alot of “bite” – it’s not vapid tasting !

    What does this have to do with attacking Iran ? Mucho much, Pilgrim ! I don’t think Mr. Obama has weighed all the possible scenarios. I’m just speculating !!! Correct me if I’m wrong !! You people who post here are smart !!

    OK – Here I go !

    I think what we are seeing right now is the reduction and destruction of Islamic culture. Iran is just to Islamic (to the extreme) so the One-World government types want to attack.
    Divide and conquer !!! and then divide and conquer again and again ! It’s like a RECURSIVE ALGORITHM !!! These wars will end when the Islamic world is so destroyed that the Islamic people will adopt a new OCCULT RELIGION. ONE WORLD ! ONE WORLD RELIGION ! No room for Islam !

    I’m just stateing what I see. Please don’t take offense if you are part of Islam ….

    • Jay

      Personally, i think you’re on the right track, simian!

      This will confirm your suspicions.
      http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/content/complete-online-version

    • hithadeck

      Simian-you better try a hamburger and fries and forget about getting rid of Islam. It would be more accurate in saying the chances of Islam getting rid of us would be more in line. It would take a lot of killing all over the world to get rid of the believers but you can never get rid of a movement that embraces death. Islam is taught and drummed into the mine from birth and the forced repetitive oath of prayer is burnt into their mines five times a day. Their rules of life are just the opposite of yours and they have a built in hate that is relentless and deceiving. The only way to stop it is education but they will not allow it. The other alternative is to eliminate their teachers which is an impossible task.

    • James

      I believe President Obama has acquiesced to higher powers. His promise to end our wars in the Middle East and bring our troops home, I believe, was sincere. He just inherited a warmongering administration.

  • Paul

    I love it when someone posts whatever and you all take it and run with it! You never ask is it true? Is it real? Can ANY of it be proven. You’re all up in arms, with NO reason! You just believe whatever has been posted no matter what!

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