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China’s Century: The Impending Threat to America and the Dollar

December 16, 2009 by  

China’s Century: The Impending Threat to America and the Dollar

“India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border”—Hu Shih, 20th Century scholar.

We are a little more than two weeks away from the second decade of the 21st century. More and more it is beginning to look like China’s century.

It’s been 60 years since the Communists seized power. According to Fareed Zakaria, the host of CNN’s Fareed Zakaria’s GPS, “Mao Zedong dragged the country through a series of catastrophic convulsions that destroyed its economic, technological and intellectual capital.”

But in December 1978 Mao’s successor, Deng Xiaoping, gave his famous cat speech which marked the fulcrum upon which the giant nation turned. At a Communist Party meeting he urged economic development over ideology. “It doesn’t matter if it is a black cat or a white cat,” said Deng. “As long as it can catch mice, it is a good cat.”

The question three decades later is what exactly is the Chinese cat hunting? Is it cooperation with the United States and the continued development of the global economy, or is it the relentless pursuit of global power and resource wealth? All the evidence is not yet in, but what we do know seems to indicate the latter with all its chilling ramifications.

But any discussion of China has to be first and foremost about its incredible economy, for the nation has risen towards superpower status in such little time. It is an economy that has doubled every eight years for the past three decades!

Just consider the following:

  • China has foreign exchange reserves totaling almost $2.2 trillion, double the next largest holder, Japan.
  • The number of cars driven in China doubles every three years.
  • China is the world’s largest producer of coal, steel and cement.
  • Twenty of the world’s fastest growing cities are all in China.
  • China manufactures two-thirds of all the world’s photocopiers, microwave ovens, DVD players and shoes.
  • Starbucks predicts that sometime next year it will have more cafes in China than in the U.S.
  • China is the world’s second largest defense spender (behind the USA).

It’s the final item that reveals the claws in China’s carefully crafted Panda Bear self-portrait.

A 2006 U.S. Department of Defense assessment of China was chilling. According to that report the Pentagon viewed China as the next big military threat to the U.S. “There are some real concerns about China’s military modernization,” said Adam Segal, senior fellow for China studies at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Then in 2009 a report from the Council on Foreign Relations said that China has been steadily building up its strategic and conventional capabilities since the 1990s.

According to U.S. defense experts, in 1990 China had a “bare-bones” military: basic capabilities, but nothing sophisticated or top-of-the-line. But two decades of double-digit spending increases have completely changed that picture.

The Pentagon estimates China’s total military spending for 2007 to be between $97 billion and $139 billion, as compared to $52 billion reported by China.

According to the Council on Foreign Relations most of that spending has gone to building a sophisticated, modern military: a large, increasingly capable fleet, an air force stocked with Russian warplanes, and technical strides which have improved China’s ballistic missile arsenal, as well as satellite surveillance, radar and interception capabilities.

“(U.S.) Hawks insist that the Chinese are seeking to drive the U.S. military out of the Pacific, and make it Beijing’s lake rather than what it has been for decades, an American pond,” said Time Magazine in an April 2009 issue.

China is constructing a nuclear aircraft carrier with a lethal and global reach to support its growing fleet of technologically advanced nuclear submarines.

Why is Beijing arming itself to the teeth? Perhaps for global dominance. Perhaps just for the natural resources it needs to sustain its growth: Core among them being oil.

This year Asia will have consumed about 50 percent of Middle East exported oil. China understands it might have to count on its military to lock-in future supplies.

That could mean another arms race or worse. That is something the U.S. can ill afford.

Another Golden Empire
China is also arming itself with gold.

According to the China Gold Association, Chinese demand for gold could total more than 16 million ounces this year, up from 12.9 million ounces in 2008.

China has also become the world’s largest gold producer, having surpassed South Africa in 2007.

“China is likely to become the number-one supplier and consumer of gold this year,” said Rozanna Wozniak, investment research manager at the World Gold Council.

On Nov. 31, China’s Economic Information Daily published remarks by a senior Chinese official indicating that Dubai’s debt crisis could be a good opportunity for China to purchase gold and oil assets.

Ji Xiaonan (Chairman of the Supervisory Committee overseeing large state-owned enterprises) was quoted as saying that the Dubai debt crisis "could give China an opportunity to put some of its foreign exchange reserves into gold or oil."

Just two weeks ago Ji Xiaonan said that China should increase the amount of gold it holds in reserves to reduce potential losses from a depreciating dollar. Currently China has relatively small gold reserves, just 1,200 metric tons or about 7 percent of the world total.

But Ji Xiaonan wants to change that. He wants China gold reserves to reach 6,000 metric tons within three-to-five years and possibly to 10,000 metric tons in eight to 10 years. (Ten thousand metric tons represents 350 million ounces of gold or about four years of global gold production.)

Money is Not a Problem
China has a lot of money to invest in gold and other real assets. It has foreign currency holdings of $2 trillion which include $800 billion in U.S. Treasury debt. With that kind of dollar exposure it is little wonder that China wants to increase its gold reserves 10-fold.

This will be an unprecedented national build-up of official gold reserves (in fact for the past 50 years most nations have been net sellers of gold). China’s radical increase in its bullion reserves is likely a harbinger for much higher prices for the Midas metal. How high is anyone’s guess, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see gold above $1,500 by next spring.

Action to take: Don’t be surprised by a correction in the price of gold going into January. I think that over the very short-term the bull is tired. Over the long-term the bull market in gold is very much alive. I recommend you use any correction to add to your physical gold holdings in anticipation of considerably higher prices in 2010.

Yours for real wealth and good health,

John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Johnnyrite

    Is it just me or does another article by Myers have disturbing undertones that seem to fixate on race? Every time I read him its the Arabs this or the Chinese that! It is these out-dated prejudices that divide the world rather than unite it.

    It time to facet he facts — a black man is running the White House.

    Even a few years ago, that sentence would have seemed like a corny line lifted from a Hollywood film. In fact, for generations there have been dozens of movies and TV shows — often comedies or disaster flicks — dwelling on the improbable prospect of an African-American president.

    Barack Obama has finally turned that idea — a black man in the Oval Office — from a fanciful notion into hard fact.

    The history books will mark his election as the 44th U.S. president as watershed. If it is not a new era in race relations in the United States, 2009 is at the very least a stereotype-crushing fork in the road.

    • Frank Daly

      It always bugs me when I hear Obama referred to as a ‘black man’ or ‘african american’…he’s not 100% of either one. He’s a biracial man with a white mother, raised by a white grandmother when his black father ‘dumped him’ as a 2 yr old and after being educated in the USA returned to Africa. Obama ‘uses his blackness’ simply to either get votes or harvest support from minorities.

      • Claire

        I am German, Irish, Danish and Swedish. Does this make me a Nazi?

        • Claire

          No, it doesn’t. I am an American. And I stand up for what I believe. I do not wish evil on anyone. It only comes back to haunt you one way or another.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          As long as you dont have any french in you Claire, your allright.

          • Claire

            Beberoni—-that made me laugh! I need a laugh tonight! Nope, no French. I am simply aggravated over the detainees coming to Illinois. We had no say in the matter. And if Illinois gets big bucks for it, it will all go to Chicago, not to southern Illinois. We get the remnants, if anything is left.

      • coal miner

        Frank Daly,

        Most american blacks are not all black.They do have white ancestry.

        • http://aol judy macneal

          You have got to be kidding. The democrats wilted under obamas chicago
          “you do what I say or else”. Or I will pay you off if you do what I say. None of the democrats are for the people that pay their salary.
          That health care bill is the worst thing that hit the usa. Take from senior’s so that we can make illegals, illegal and give them the health care that was earned by the seniors supporting this country for years. And our childrens, children do not stand a chance. We are not leaving this country better for them. I say vote them all out wipe out health care start over take time to do things correctly.
          If obama didn’t give away so much in pork we could HAVE PAID A LARGE PORTION OF HEALTH CARE. LET’S LET’S LET’S VOTE THEM OUT OUT IN 2010

        • Claire

          coal miner–I will tell you something– there are a lot of mixed couples here in town. And I have seen them in grocery stores, at the mall, everywhere. One thing I will say is their daughters are gorgeous. I have really seen beautiful girls that have a black father and a white mother. This does not bother me because it is none of my business and to each their own. But geez, these girls are beautiful.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Question is, what would we all be labeled as if 98 percent of white people all voted for the “white” candidate? Yet its not mentioned when it is swung the other way. I wonder why?

        • Claire

          Honkies.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Nice call Claire, and very correct. Isnt it strange that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson can get on national TV and national radio, and say that about white people, openly calling them honkies and crackers, and nothing is said or done. How can this be? Don Imus says nappy headed ho’s and has his job taken away. Talk about your double standards. If any politician got on TV or the radio and referred to blacks as Ni—rs, he would be out of office right now. So why doesnt it work the other way?

        • Claire

          Beberoni–I shouldn’t have said Honkies! Yes, there is a double standard at times. It has always been that way. Some get by with atrocities and others come out smelling like a rose.

      • denniso

        Frank…what are you 100% of?? You’re bugged about Obama being called black because it’s an advantage?? Wow, are you brainwashed!! It has never been an advantage to be black anywhere except in Africa,or the NBA. You don’t like blacks and you hate Obama,that’s all.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You are wrong denniso. It is a very distinct advantage to be black and looking for a job, because you are still considered first for employment by most companies. Your racist statements are overlooked if your black, ask Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, its a fact. If your black you can make racist statements, beat women, and its all overlooked, because to call you out, then that person is described as a racist by the liberal press. No, black has many advantages these days.

    • Sue

      Johnnyrite, I cannot believe that you are pulling the “race card”. Get over it, it doesn’t matter what race anybody is. What matters is the “content of their character”. BO simply doesn’t have the experience. He was elected because of his Hollywood attributes and because the press failed to question his obvious lack of experience and other shortcomings. He will go down in history as the Presi dent who was at the helm when the cookie started crumbling. He has surrounded himself with greedy corrupt morons who put having that fancy yacht as more important than saving the financial integrity of this great country.

      I wonder who the Times will have as the Man of the Year in 2010? The Fed is so corrupt and is playing a shell game. Oh, and it’s with your hard earned tax dollars.

      • foreverfree

        The last century was America’s century. A century driven by a nation with the code and goal of profit. This is the purest and most peaceful way a nation can exist. Well see how you morons feel when your living in a century driven by domination, conquest, and slavery. These are the tools of the Chinese.

        • Claire

          And who exactly got us into this mess?

          • J C

            Sadly, we sat back and watched as government after government encroached on our rights and freedoms until one day we woke up to this. And we can no longer sit back and watch.

          • Claire

            Exactly. Now, the big question is: Who are you going to vote for next year? More of the same? Or vote for someone that is NOT in the Democratic party nor the Republican party?

          • J C

            I would say go Libertarian or Constitution party, even independent…anything but the Dems or GOP.

          • Claire

            JC — Now you’re thinking!!! I am with you on this one!!

          • J C

            Nice! :)

          • Brian H

            Voting 3rd party gets Obama & friends another 4 years. Go for the primaries and get conservatives nominated, or vote independent in cases where they have a real chance to win. Protest votes feel good, but are self-indulgent and harmful in practice otherwise.

          • DaveH

            You are right Claire. We got ourselves in this mess. We can blame others till the cows come home, but eventually we have to take ownership of the mess we have created.
            I can only imagine how the Chinese must feel if they read comments like some of these. First they provide us with virtual slave labor, then we rag on them about the relatively small portions of money we gave them in return. China is the one with the short straw here. Their debt instruments from the US are backed by the full faith and credit of the US Government. Would that make you feel secure these days? The US could repudiate its debt. And the worst we would suffer? We would probably play hell getting anybody else to lend us money. I’m not so sure that would be a bad thing.

          • Claire

            Yes, we Americans created this mess–to a certain degree–we elected these politicians thinking (hoping) they would handle our governmental affairs with the intelligence and honesty we gave them credit for (by voting for them) and it has not worked out the way we wanted. We blame Obama, we blame Bush–everybody but ourselves. It is nothing more than a blame game. We have to “pin” it on somebody! We must use common sense in 2010. Do we want more of the same? We will surely get more of the same if we vote Republican or Democrat. We are getting nowhere calling Obama every filthy name under the sun. I don’t care who the President is right now, Democrat or Republican, this is not right. This is not fair. We do not need to call our Presidents these despicable names. We do not need to listen to people and read news that is detrimental to our own beliefs. We need to use our own brains and knowledge, not listen to people that want us to come around to their way of thinking. We have to stand up for ourselves and THINK for ourselves. Why do we listen to these people that promote evil thinking and doing? Can’t we think for ourselves? Can’t we make up our own minds concerning our government? Our founding fathers sure didn’t have the likes of radical radio or TV. They certainly used their heads, why can’t we? I can well imagine the foreign countries that are our enemies are thrilled beyond belief that America is in such chaos. Our enemies are happy as larks. We are announcing our inadequacies to the whole world. I have a friend in England and she has told me that Americans are considered spoiled brats and that we should be thankful we live in America. She loves America. In a nutshell, lets get along, and try to come up with solutions, not more problems. Think when you vote in 2010.

          • Claire

            Another point to ponder–why is it that we believe everything these radical nuts tell us? Is it because we want havoc? Is it because we do not have enough sense to figure things out for ourselves? Is it because it is easier to believe them rather than to find out the real truth ourselves? Why can’t we realize that these radical nuts want things their way? They delight in creating disruption. They delight in creating suspicion, and negativity. They are PAID entertainers making a fortune off the American people. To me, they are as bad as the dishonest politicians. They are no better. We listen to them and believe the tripe they spew and all the while they are getting wealthier. If we really want to CHANGE things we should get on OUR OWN BANDWAGON.

          • J C

            That’s another great point. Next time they try and stampede the herd. We need to ignore them completely.

          • Brian H

            You’re in dreamland, Claire. Obama is something new, in degree if not in kind. He was reared and educated in a purely leftist anti-American environment, and has been greased through his career by insider connections, achieving little or nothing on his own. From the gift of a vacated state senate seat to unearned chairmanship of a wealthy do-nothing activist foundation to presidency of the Law Society on the basis of zero university papers and the credit for a ghost-written book, to nomination and election on the backs and with the aid of abusive electoral crooks and blatantly illegal financing, despite withholding of any evidence of constitutional eligibility, he has been moved into place to institute a subservient branch-plant governing arm of globalist absolutism.

            If you consider that calling him “filthy names”, then I invite you to investigate every one of the statements I made above. They are all easily substantiated, if you can be bothered to check. If you cannot, then you are a part of the problem, not the solution.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            It all started with FDR, and we never recuperated from the things he did, that the older generation thinks he is a hero for, when he sold our future down the road, and taught politicians how easy it is to lie to the people and to lie to congress and everyone else. The man was a huge liar.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            It started way back with FDR, and has gotten worse steadily ever since, but it has doubled in the last year. Sooner or later, you all gotta quit blaming Bush, and look at who is doing it. They are right in front of you, and in power now. Doubled in one year. Think about it. Or just ignore the facts, and keep your agenda.

          • J C

            Yep! What we are witnessing right now is the culmination of decades of preperation. Its isn’t an administration….its been all of them to greater and lesser degrees. And now they’re looking to hit a grand slam for socialist control with Mr. HopeyChangey at the plate.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Change-Change-Change, all for the worse unfortunately.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Big Government.

      • Claire

        American has been on a downhill slide for many many years. Think about it. Now we are reaping what all those wonderful politicans sowed for so many years. Good grief–can’t you see BOTH parties are to blame?

        • eyeswideopen

          Claire, Some who are perceptive such as yourself, will see the similarities in the parties. Hang in there. Love hearing your viewpoint, always fair. Happy Christmas.!!!

          • Claire

            eyes—I wondered where you were!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You are right Claire. Todays Democrats are such leeches, that JFK would be running on the republican ticket if alive today, I guarantee it. But your right, both parties have been filling thier pockets for years, and the pockets of their cronies and their special interest groups, and they no longer want to represent the people that elected them to represent them. That is why in 2010, I am making a conscience effort to vote against any and all incumbant Republicans, and I hope the democrats will man up and do the same thing, and send the message to these people that we have the power, and they better start representing us, or they are out of a job. We truly do have the power, we just need to exercise it. Im going to.

          • Claire

            Beberoni— I have cut back on watching the biased tv news channels and the radical radio airheads. However, I do read newspapers every day. About 2 months or so ago, I began reading the posts on these sites. Although I have not contributed a whole lot to the conversations, I have read all of these posts on every site and have really listened to what everyone has had to say. I truly believe all of the people on these sites are good and decent human beings. And although this sounds silly, I feel like I have met new people, people that I now consider my friends whether we agree with each other or not. Some of the posts I get a kick out of (funny). But more so, I appreciate the seriousness and truthfulness of what everyone has to say. It is great that we can speak our minds and have our own opinions. I have come to the conclusion that I will not vote for a Democrat nor a Republican. My husband also agrees. I believe all Americans should consider doing the same, but that is their choice. What you say is your post is true. I know what I will do in 2010.

          • Claire

            Also, all of my friends are disgusted with both parties. I have already started talking to them about 2010 and 2012. If only they would vote correctly when the time comes! Past history proves that the third party never wins. It just swings the vote in the opposite direction and not always for the best outcome. There must be something that can be done. It will simply depend on the person that is running for Independent, Libertarian, etc. They would have to be a powerful person. Then perhaps a third party would take over. I shudder to think of who will be elected the next time around.

        • denniso

          Sue…do you mean inexperienced like Bush was?? Do you mean like the ‘liberal’ media didn’t report on Bush’s lack of experience and checkered past?
          The ‘cookie crumbled’ while Bush was in office,and that’s partly why McCain lost. Did you complain about Bush’s lack of experience and downright stupidity?? NuCUlar anyone??

          • cr747

            denniso, Man you screwed up and typed the wrong names in again. I know you meant to say BH OBAMA. instead of Bush. That’s alright I caught it and straightened it out for you.
            We knew you where saying how inexperienced and stupid Barrack Obama was, and that he ate the cookie instead of crumbling it.
            You will be OK you are a little confused that Obama has screwed up the 11 months he’s been in office,an has to have slick Willy to help him out most, “naw” all the time.

          • David Hall

            Arms Race with China, that’s a joke! I thought it took money, alot of
            money to build Military Arms. Do the math folks, OBAMA’S heath-care,
            banks, insurance companies, auto-motive industry, cap & trade, (tax),
            roads, schools, prisons, water-ways, agriculture, paying back the unions. Yeah! we’ll really show communist China, how it’s done, want we? We’re, U.S.A. are buying China’s JUNK and inturn China is building
            Military Might to destroy us, if Obama doesn’t do it first. We want have the money to build B.B. GUNS. Mean-while, I guess we could discuss, the value of gold and the bulls & bears of our stock market,
            and what a wonderful future Obama has planned for us. Ha!,damn Ha!

          • Markus

            Paul Revere: Whoa, I semi agree with what you say, but the way you say it, well, definitely refreshing. I am a traditionalist, conservative for sure, and agree that we should be somewhat “isolationist”, especially with the way things are going, but man, you sure definitely don’t hold back…
            Do you think that what we see on T.V. (“Feed them Cheesecake”), is all what they want us to see? In other words, the media can’t tell us how to think, but sure can tell us what to think about! Also, do you think the Progressives, or the George Soros’s of the world, are about to do some serious damage to this country? Do you believe this is a planned situation by One World Order Elites? Curious…

          • David Hall

            Markus, I guess you were replying to me. Yeah, you can bet your boots,
            it’s all planned. It’s all about competing in the world market. Our
            leaders have watched communist China go from the ox and wagon, to the
            new world super-power. Greed and SLAVE LABOR is their ticket. The workers in China will work for an 8-ball of rice, 12, 14 hours a day.
            This new world order thang is all about two classes of people, the very, very rich and powerful, and the dirt-damn-poor. Once, the middle-class money is gone, it’s over. The American worker, will work for a
            loaf of bread. The Union-workers better, beware! their buddy, Obama will get them, before it over or just let em, out-price themselves. My
            point is, sit back and watch GM file bankruptcy, again. I mean, why do
            you think the fat-cats let all the Mexicans in? GREED & CHEAP-LABOR FORCE. And, they tell us, that everybody needs a chance to better, themselves, yeah! right, they care so much! GREED & SLAVE LABOR, THAT IS WHAT, IT IS ABOUT! COMPETITION!

          • Markus

            All planned out a long time ago my friend. These idiots in Congress and the White House couldn’t do anything this diabolical if they wanted to. There are sting pullers at the highest levels that we can’t even comprehend, and it is only just beginning. Hopefully we get to the mid-terms and boot them ALL OUT!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Bush had plenty of experience you little liar. He was the Governor of Texas, and for more that a year. He was a business owner, owning the Texas Rangers. He was successful in all he did. Your Obama, was little more than a community organizer, rushed into the Illinois Senate because he represented youth, and nothing else, and bought the presidency with millions of dollars of commercials saying change change change that hypnotized the uneducated that live by the brain sucker in their living rooms. But in all facts, Bush had more experience going into his presidency in his little finger than Obama has in his whole body. But then again, your liberal butt doesnt care about facts, you just spew your hatred. Maybe if for once you expounded with some facts, someone might take you seriously.

    • jim

      Hi Johnnyrite, I don’t care what color Obamas skin is, his true color is red commie.

      • J C

        Absolutely right. He’s “Their Boy”.

      • denniso

        Obama is not a ‘commie’…and you don’t even know what a ‘commie’ is anyway.

        • cr747

          denniso, you just answered your on statement. I didn’t know you where a RED COMMIE. We’ve probably been insulting you all alone. Need to tell people these things before you start making comments.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Obammie the Commie.

        • jim

          Hi Denise-O, There you go making asumtions of what I do and don’t know. I know what a Commie is, un like you I am not in denial about the one you helped put in the Whitehouse and If you want to be one, that’s fine, just quit trying to drag the rest of us down with you. Why did it take you 2 days to respond? Did your local ACORN meeting run long?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Then why is he trying to sell America down the river? Why?

    • Atticus69

      There is no doubt that the election of Obama will go down as a watershed.He will be noted someday as the man who surrendered U.S. sovereignty to the UN, killed the greatest engine of wealth known to mankind (the US capitalist economy) and was finally successful in eliminating that thorn in the side of socialism, the middle class.We will all be cared for in the manner our masters have decided is in our best interests, like it or not.

      • Arkham Grundy

        Just think what would be in store for us if that intellectually challenged bimbo from Alaska ever became President. Science and education would be set back 100 years and children would be taught that Adam and Eve rode to church on dinosaurs 5,000 years ago.

        Putting her in line for the White house was the main reason McCain lost.

        It is surprising that she has so many supporters.

        At least Obama has a high IQ.

        • American Citizen

          It sounds like you’ll support him no matter how far down the river he sells us. It’s like what Democrats said about Clinton, “He may be a liar, but he’s our liar.” Obama may have street smarts, but he’s not all that intelligent. Foreign countries are laughing at him. Why doesn’t he release his college records? What has he got to hide?

          • denniso

            Atticus has been reading too many sci-fi novels,or Ayn Rand.

        • DaveH

          Arkham,
          I am an atheist, but I have to laugh about the irony of Liberals attacking religious people for their beliefs. Because, after all, Liberalism is itself a belief system based on mostly unfounded and disproven economic concepts.

          And then there’s this:
          http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/12/democrats_more_likely_to_belie.html

          • Claire

            I don’t want to hear that you are an Athiest. It scares me. And I am not picking on you, to each his/her own. But it just simply scares me.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            To Claire. Dont let it scare you that Dave is an atheist. Dave is a nice guy, a smart guy, and he does have morals and is a clear thinker. I am a Christian, and I wish Dave had Jesus in his life, not for me, but for him, but that is between him and God. It doenst mean that Dave and I cant have a grown up debate about things, and treat each other with respect, and converse like adults. Dave doenst downgrade or lambast me for being a Christian, and Im not about to attack him for his beliefs either. I used to basically be an atheist myself, but I found out there is a Jesus Christ and that I needed Him in my life. I would hope that for all people, but its not my place or anyones place to force it on them. Its a free will thing, just as God is free will, He doesnt force Himself on any of us. But dont be scared because Dave is different from you. Dave is a good dude.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Ark, baby. Let me educate you pal. The reason McCain and the republicans lost, is that for one, McCain is 150 years old, for two, he is a career politician that everyone is tired of, especially republicans, and three, the ticket should have been Palin/McCain, and they would have won in a landslide. You think Obama getting 95 percent of the black vote is something, Palin, regardless of what women on the left say, would have gotten 95 percent of the womans vote, which I dont know if your aware, is quite a larger chunk that that of the black vote. She would have whupped Obama big time pal, so dont be confused by what the national press lies have been telling you. They say that to try to discourage young voters from voting for her, because the liberals are scared to death of someone who actually did what they were elected to do, serve the people that elected her, balance the states budget, and give money back to the people. She will be back, and the thing you dont understand yet old Arky boy, is that your party is so low, they will throw Obama under the bus before the next election, and run Hillary or someone else. You think not? Watch and see. They are allready turning on him, and him on them, and its going to get ugly for the whole democrat party, but they cant let him run because he hasnt a chance in hell of winning.

          • Claire

            I respect the fact that you like Palin, however, this country will need a woman like Margaret Thatcher. And we don’t have any. I have always respected Ms. Thatcher. She would be wonderful for America.

          • cr747

            Beberoni, I to think Palin would do a great job as our Commander and Chief. A lot better job than what we have now. Obama is a disgrace to the United States by stating that we were not a christian nation. Also if it came down to it he would go Muslim
            What a disgrace to our country to have someone so narrowed minded as Obama trying to lead our nation.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        He will also be known as the man who destroyed the best health care system in the world.

    • s c

      No doubt about it, Johnny. It’s definitely you. Look up the definition for politically correct. It’s a condition that is easily cured. THINK, and refuse to suck up to those who demand that you to be a pal on THEIR terms.

    • Joe H.

      Johnnyrite,
      I could care less if he is black, white, pink, or purple!!! The manis the weakest president we have ever had hands down!!! He has no leadership experience and has no true patriotic feelings at all!!! His aim is to make us as weak as we can be made so that we can be taken over by force!!!
      There was a report out today that a major newspaper is standing by that O-man has threatened to close the Strategic Air Base down if the senator from that state did not FALL IN LINE on health care!!! That is unmitigated GALL!!! For a president to make such a threat is real close to impeachment crimes!!!!

      • Claire

        Interesting. What major newspaper?

        • DaveH

          This claim has been denied by Senator Nelson, but then he is a Democrat and he may not want to make waves for his Party:
          http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/12/source_dems_threaten_nelson_in_1.asp

          Stay tuned.

          • Claire

            Dave H—Oh great. I read the information. What is this world coming to? Dear God, I think we have reached the point of no return.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Ever known a democrat to tell the truth? Or 99 percent of any politicians, but especially democrats? They learned from Roosevelt that lying gets you things, and they have perfected it ever since.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Johnny only likes him because of his skin color, and I think we all recognize that. Im not politically correct, so Im not afraid of stating the truth.

    • Brandon

      it sounds like you’re the racist one.he’s talking about a nation not a race,if he was talking about Africa i’m sure thats the word he would have used,not the blacks

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Make that a half black man, and he isnt do a very decent job of running anything, except his prideful mouth, and pride comes before the fall, and he is falling quick and hard. His inexperience has caught up to him, and this shooting from the hip crap isnt working, because him and his ilk, the democrats, which contain a bunch of white guys to, dont have a clue what to do. So it isnt black or white, so please, its old and worn out, put the race card away. A so called black man has achieved the highest office in the land, so there isnt no more being a “black victim”, because if he can do it, anyone can do it. The race card is broken and cant be used anymore, so put it away Johnny. Your a racist, and evidently guys like you and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and Rev. Wright always will be, because you hate white people. Face it and admit it, the fault is with you. This guys failing has nothing to do with color, it has to do with dumb people that voted for him because he spent millions of dollars on commercials and said change, change, change, and the uneducated bought into it. Thats it, the bottom line. He isnt experienced enough to do what needs to be done, and either are his left wing liberal pacifist appeasing cronies on the democrat side of the aisle. All they know is to grasp power, create social agencies, and take my money and give it to those that dont want to work, which I imagine you are one of them. But race has nothing to do with it, so go away you blatant racist.

  • http://Don'thaveone Sally

    Amen JD. What a lot of Americans don’t know because it really is a close held secret is that since FDR China has owned the US financially. This happened under gold certificates. We have borrowed so much money from China over the years and have never paid back a penny. They own us and have for a long long time. With all the stupidity of the Three Musketeers or I should say the Three Stooges (Czars Obama, Reid, and Pelosi) with Cap and Trade plus all the other idiotic proposals, thinking the rest of the world will go along — Yes, I believe in Santa Claus too. That just makes it easier for them to cash in while we have such a burden to carry on emissions that don’t mean a thing as has come out lately with the scientists saying they have made a mistake and only because thank the good Lord they got caught. Meanwhile, Gore who started this whole mess in the first place, his house uses more electricity in one month than a normal house uses in one whole year. It is soooo sad. Only way we are going to stop this foolishness, is come Nov 2010 vote out every incumbent in both House and Senate and start afresh!!!!!!!!!!

    • Frank Daly

      PS-don’t forget, all those bail-out dollars that we’re using to create jobs and ‘buy stuff’ that the stuff we’re buying is made in China. So our bail-out dollars are going right back into China’s pockets.

      • Joe H.

        Frank,
        Let’s not also forget that the jobs that the government “makes’ cost money, they don’t make money!! We take tax money in exorbitant amounts and they only return at the normal say 30% after loopholes, so we end up losing 70% just on the wages!!! The only “shovel ready” jobs they have are shoveling up the BS the government spreads!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And also let us not forget, the Democrats dont give a crap about America, only putting dollars into their pockets. They are the mob, and thats what the mob does, they look out for themselves.

    • Chuck

      I only hope enough people agree AND VOTE that we can replace pretty much all of them. I just wonder how long it will take for us to recover from the current foolishness?

      Cap and Trade or National Health Care will be very hard to get rid of once they go into effect, so I am hoping we can hold off on both of those till we can cleanse the ranks of as many idiots as possible.

      Honestly I am just as ready to see the totally pathetic republicans go as I am the Democrats. Well over half of the republicans are just as bad when it gets down to it.

      • Joe H.

        FLIP THE HOUSE PEOPLE!!!!!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Joe, Im all in.

  • http://Google Helmut S Lenko

    Right on the money, John! Worst of all, the Chinese have been stealing/
    studying/ or if nothing else works: buying our latest technologies. However, they only ever buy ONE plant….to see just how the technology works, and probably make minor changes & copy it all over China, A friend
    did just that: sold them the very latest in fluid bed “clean burning energy systems”…he reported HUGE problems that he never had anywhere else; massive headaches….and very slow pay. In the end, he capitulated
    and accepted a lesser amount than originally agreed. I wonder how many
    “similar” plants there are now in China, using his advanced technology,
    that he never got paid for??
    PLS> USE MY FIRST NAME…IT’S A COMMON PROBLEM, ESP. IN CANADA

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Another gaff of Clinton’s, all the technology he gave them. He just keeps getting better and better all the time.

  • Warrior

    You are Americans and you must be punished.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Sounds like a statement from the left wing in this country. They think we deserve to be hit.

  • Robert

    Buy Made in America.! Only problem is we’ve outsourced most of our manufacturing jobs to China, India, etc,. If the morons in washington push another spending stimulus package, then there should be a stipulation that only products made in America can be used. Let’s see now, Obama wants to insulate American Homes. Where is the insulation going to come from? You got it, China. And the Home Depots , Walmarts and Lowes are licking their chops at the windfall profits they’ll make importing inferior Chinese products. Look what happened for Cash for Clunkers, mostly foreign cars were bought. And where were the Washington idiots who passed the bill? Give me a break. We have no one to blame but ourselves for America’s loss in economic and world power. We keep re-electing the same idiots over and over again.

    • s c

      Robert, most of the cure/solution is very simple. Regardless of race, creed, color or any other fact-of-life, OUTSOURCE CAREER POLITICIANS!

      • Normal Guy

        Like almost all threads on this site lots of paranoia and misinformation very few facts. China is spending about 13% of what the USA is on military expenditures. The US will spend about $607 billion on the military this year, China about $84.9 billion. Our spending is $200 billion more than the next nine nations combined. The US contributes about 41% of all military spending in the world.

        Anyone on this thread ever been to China? Anyone personally know anyone who has extensive knowledge of China? You know like real information, facts and stuff.

        My brother is a teacher, he lived in China for five years working in a private school for gifted children. The Chinese are very entrepreneurial, they want to succeed as individuals, there is huge pressure on the Totalitarian state to adjust and there are cracks showing. People are not allowed to freely locate where they wish (you can’t move to a city without permission) but they are extremely disciplined. They understand that in a nation as populace as China that many restrictions are required.

        All the dopey comments regarding trade, if Americans had to pay for goods all produced in the States the standard of living would fall through the floor as costs shot up. We can’t compete on labour so we have to compete on other things. Unfortunately, Americans are not getting educated; the quality of students coming out of India and China blows us away.

        We are supposed to be the great free market nation, we lose on labour, it has been that way since the 60’s when Japan first started re-emerging. So we had better face the reality that our corporations need to be global and our products need to be sold globally, competing where we can win, investing where there is growth. The isolationists out there are way off the mark, if we don’t compete and learn how to win in today’s world then the US era is coming to a close. China, India, Brazil, and much of Asia is emerging, they will have growing pains, there are places that we can win – information technology and technology – robotics, finance, systems analysis etc. These are opportunities, we can compete and win but not if we don’t get in the game.

        • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

          You forgot to mention that China in not an aggressor by history, although Mongolia is more so; and I do not believe that they are foolish enough to start a war with the U.S., who by history will “nuke” them to death before dying themselves, just to make ourselves feel better!

          • American Citizen

            China is not an aggressor? What about Vietnam when they backed the North Vietnamese? If they would attack us, where do you think the first strike will be, your hometown?

        • Claire

          Yeah, and 2010 will be more of the same.

          • eyeswideopen

            Interesting that a single Senator, from such a small state, has the economic and literal health of the nation, in his/her hands. How many Senators does that sentence describe?

          • Claire

            Only one that I know of! Lieberman! He owes the insurance companies!!! I cannot believe this little turncoat is in power now. I do agree about leaving Medicare alone. I know too many elderly people that could not live without it.

          • Joe H.

            Eyes,
            Are you calling Nebraska a small state??? Don’t travel much by car or bus do you???

          • Joe H.

            Try the name Nelson!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I guess I never realized Nebraska was small. Looks pretty big to me on a map.

          • Claire

            Yup, you are right, looks fairly good-sized on the map.

        • Joe H.

          Abnormal and Victor,
          first abnormal,if youmthink the Chinese leadership are such loving people, you and your brother are still free to immigrate there. Oh, that’s right, they won’t let just anyone immigrate there, will they? Dam I guess the U.S. is the only ones that will let that happen!!!
          Victor,
          Right, the U.S. is going to start the war that will end it for all the world. Right!!! As you were told above PULLLEAASSE!!!!!

          • DaveH

            But Joe, Normal Liberal’s brother lived in China for 5 years. I guess he got an honorary Chinese History and Chinese Political Science degree for that five years. Hmmm, I lived on a farm for 3 months, does that mean I’m an agricultural expert?
            From Normal’s comment:
            “Like almost all threads on this site lots of paranoia and misinformation very few facts”.
            I guess he means like the misinformation and few facts he posts.
            Like any Liberal he must use his manipulative techniques of name-calling, ridicule, and condescension – as if that somehow makes him correct.
            And he said “They [the Chinese] understand that in a nation as populace as China that many restrictions are required”.

            Interesting that Switzerland has a larger population density (as do many other countries) than China and they don’t need all those restrictions.

            I’m sure he would find some way of excusing the massacre by the Chinese Government at Tiananmen Sqaure.

          • Normal Guy

            Oh Dave

            Are you getting a little cranky? You really are quite funny. Good luck with your life, being a fringe minority Libertarian Zealot really is pretty limiting. Oh check out the Libertarian experiment in Iceland, again like New Zealand, Chile and big Al Greenspan. A Failure, this time they bankrupted the country, I think it is a new record.

            If you and your Ultra dim cohorts stop whining and complaining and contributed something to society (again have you ever done anything Dave?) maybe your world view would become a bit more realistic…YA probably not.

            You know the sweet part for me, life is great, and business is a worthwhile challenge and a lot of fun. The world is fascinating in all its facets and I interact with totally cool, wonderful people every day. Dropping in here occasionally and reading all the twisted, conspiracy laced world views just makes me appreciate the real world that much more. Opportunities abound, economic disruptions, like the one created by W and crew, are a pain in the butt but also times to readjust and find new opportunities.

            I have the privilege every day to interact with Intelligent, interesting funny people building our businesses, looking for solutions to problems and creating opportunities. It is great to interact with people that know how to make good things happen; people that rarely whine and complain they just get things done.

            You seem to be a bitter, pitiful sad little man, rant and spew your one note symphony all you like, you don’t have a clue. Thanks for a good laugh, I have to get back to work.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Why do you call yourself Normal Guy? Dude, seriously, your not normal. Get over yourself.

          • Joe H.

            normal guy,
            Yes China spends 13% of what the U.S. spends on defense. They pay their workers about 10% of what the U.S. pays their workers so actually they’re spending More!!!! Get Real!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Funny how you left wing liberals, if you cant attact someone on the right, you attack the libertarians now. Both the Republicans and the Libertarians are credits compared to your left wing liberal pacifist appeasing American hating Democrats.

          • DaveH

            And Joe,
            Before we get to feeling too sorry for ourselves (having to put up with Normal Liberal) we should think about his poor wife. We only occasionally have to put up with his controlling childish behavior. She has to put up with it every day.

          • Normal Guy

            Dave

            My bet, you’re single or divorced.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            He is anything but normal dave. I think he is a closet homesexual with pent up aggression and he needs to release it. Maybe Dr. Kevorkian could help.

          • Normal Guy

            God will reject you Bebe boy. smug it up while you are here.

          • Joe H.

            normal Guy,
            and you think he won’t reject your smug, holier than thou attitude???? Who do you worship, the god of the Vegas highly rollers?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            No normal, actually God loves me very much. He has opened my eyes and ears so that I know when I hear blatant lies and that I can see blatant unqualified people like Obama running for office, so I do His work on earth here, and try to educated people to learn about these guys before they vote for them. Evidently, millions of people did not do this last election. Now the facts are, had all these people had their eyes and ears opened, they would have recognized this evil guy and his evil party for what they are, a group of baby murdering, gay exalting, anti American, self righteous prideful buffoons that seek only power and money for themselves, and do not represent those they were elected to represent, and I abhor people like you that choose to not get educated and see who you are voting for. But rest assured, God loves me very much, if He didnt, He wouldnt have sent Jesus Christ to die on the cross for me, kapish amigo?

          • cr747

            Beberoni, God bless you. God payed in awesome pain for all who believe for all our sins. Praise God!!!!!!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thank you CR747, I can see you know the truth also. Thank you my brother.

          • cr747

            Normal Guy, I believe if I where you I would be searching my heart to see if I had God in my life. Sounds to me like you have a problem with Christianity!!!!!!!!1

    • Joe H.

      Robert,
      Don,t buy Milwaukee tools if you don’t want to buy Chinese either as they bought them out!!! Just moved lock, stock, and barrel there this year!! They keep the name, make them with next to slave labor, send them back here, and sell them for the same price as they were sold when they were made here!!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And they probably will be about as good as a G.E. light bulb made in Mexico these days. Heck, they burn out every month now. So I wont buy G.E. brand anymore.

  • Douglas C. Smyth

    First of all: China is not a Communist country. It is ruled by a Communist Party, but that party has abandoned any pretense of Communism; it is simply an entrenched elite. It has put into place a state-directed Capitalism, in which a growing wealthy class is gaining a lot of power.

    Second: China’s military threat is local or regional, not global. They spend about $90 billion, but the US spends $685 billion on defense, more than China and all the rest of the world combined.

    Third: China has, as Nick points out, gained its position (likely pre-eminence in the world), because of its huge and disciplined population. It has viewed itself historically as the Middle Kingdom, as in the center of the world. In the limited historical perspective of Americans that sounds cock-eyed, but in terms of millennia it makes perfect sense: China is just reverting to its accustomed global position, and johnny-come-lately America is going bankrupt.

    The longer the US spends upwards of two-thirds of a trillion bucks on “defense” each year, the faster we’ll be driven to the sidelines.

    • J C

      Yep. Interventionism is going to be our undoing.

    • Masinn

      China is a trojan horse .

    • Brian H

      Horse pucky.
      As a % of GDP, the level of spending is far below peacetime maximums, much less wartime. And where do you think that money is spent? Much more of it, percentage-wise, goes to domestic suppliers than the average consumer’s budget does.

      And it’s not for the amusement and enrichment of hawks. There are real issues and values involved, whether you perceive or agree with them or not. Iraq is potentially a major freedom foothold in the ME, second in importance to Israel. (Which I expect you also oppose.)

      Isolationist surrender monkeys are the worst kind.

  • MIKE FREEBORN

    Just as it states in the Bible in the last days; China will be significant; the last war it states an army from the East; Kings from the East; { China } will send an army of 200 million solders across the Euphrates river to fight in the middle east; China now has over 200 million solders now; they could send 200 million and still have reserves at home; just as it states in Russia will align itself with Iran; first time in over 3500 years; Ezekiel 38-40 speaks about the future about a leader who will want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth with Russia help but it states Israel will destroy Iran; the description of the attack sounds just like a nuclear attack; events are close. Mike

    • Joe H.

      Mike,
      It states that does it? It mentions Russia? It says RUSSIA? Or does it say the great bear from the north? That could mean anything!!! the Bible also says beware the false prophet!!! I guess you forgot that Right? I suggest you read the last paragraph of the King James version!!! The one about adding to the words or taking away from the words of the Bible!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree Joe. So many think the Bear means Russia and the Eagle means America, but its just pure speculation on that. It could mean a myriad of things. Russia in irrelevant, and at the rate we are moving away from God and goodness, by the end, we probably will be irrelevant also.

  • Claire

    And who do you think is responsible for this mess we are in??? Democrats? Republicans? They ALL had a chance to do right by America and all Americans. They ALL had a chance to make things better for our country. Did they do it? NO. I believe both parties are at fault for this mess we are in and nothing will make me think otherwise.

    • J C

      You are exactly right Claire. Time for the big broom.

      • Claire

        JC–I hope you are agreeing with me, and not picking on me. We are in a deplorable mess, and I firmly believe both parties are at fault. Both parties have rolled us over. We are paying these idiots a salary for them to work for us not against us! Sure, 2010 is around the corner, but who will we vote for? The Republicans? As I have told people before, name ONE honest politician. They have accomplished nothing this past year because they cannot work together to get anything done! All they care about is being re-elected. They do not care about America or the people of America! I cannot believe people do not see through this scam! For example, look how many politicans took insurance companies’ money for their campaign!! Look how many politicians took money from the banks, from the pharamceutical companies, and on and on. We blame every president that we get, but what about the Congress??? They are real losers!!! All of them!! They have been losers for years! This mess did not happen overnight. It has been coming for years!!

        • Joe H.

          Claire,
          Afraid I’m going to disagree with you and s c this time! The ones at fault for this mess is not either party! I have seen the enemy and he is us!!! US!!! WE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN BY NOT EVER SENDING THEM A CLEAR AND CONCISE MESSAGE THAT WE ARE THE BOSSES AND WE WILL KICK THEIR COLLECTIVE ASSETS OUT IF THEY DON’T REPRESENT US!!!!!

          • Claire

            Strong point. We did vote them in, and yet, how do we get anything out of them after they are in office? Sending letters, calling our Senators, nothing helps. sure, we can vote them out the next time, but more crooked politicians take their place. It is a never-ending cycle.

          • DaveH

            You’re right Joe. It is the American citizen who is at fault. How many times have you tried to talk about the political situation and your friends and neighbors will say they don’t want to talk about it? And yet, they will go to the voting booth and elect politicians they know little about, and whose policies they don’t understand. They don’t want to discuss politics but they have no trouble voting to force policies on other citizens – Policies that they understand only vaguely because they “don’t want to discuss politics”. Instead they get their directions from sound bites on political TV commercials. It’s maddening.

          • American Citizen

            I wish you wouldn’t say “we”. Millions of us did not vote them in. We try to vote intelligently by vetting the candidates. It’s just there are too many ignoramuses voting. We also try to phone, e-mail and write, not to mention march, to show the air-heads in Washington our wishes and they ignore us or call us names. It’s those arrogant a—s up there in their ivory gold encrusted towers that think they know what’s best for us who are the problem. The only solution is to vote them out next year.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            That is why I am exerting my power as being these guys boss, and firing all the incumbants and starting over, and sending the message to them, that we own them, not vice versa. Im on the right. I suggest you on the left practice this also, and get rid of these lifers that are in bed with George Soros and every special interest group, and send them the message that you are their boss, and fire them all, and start again.

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            How do we change it?? By not ever letting them get a second term if they don’t hold true to America first, last, and foremost!!! By letting them know right after we elect them that they are there for us and BY us!! We do this the day after they are elected, not right before the next election. We remind them time and time again! The only thing we do right before the next election is step up the pressure and don’t ever let up till they KNOW who they represent!!!

        • American Citizen

          The problem is there are far too many lawyers in Congress. Name one that knows how to run a business and make a success of it. There aren’t many if any. Most of them were already millionaires before they got there and they made their money either by inheriting it or in the stock market which they now villify. They could care less if we are able to attain the same level of riches. They made theirs so they can tell us to go fly a kite. I just sent an e-mail to both houses of Congress telling them to scrap the bills they are now debating and start over and do it right.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The lowest life form on Earth, lawyers. They have no conscience. I really do not know how many, and I mean many many of them, can sleep at night. I guess thats why so many of them are alcoholics and drug addicts.

        • J C

          Nope not picking on you. I agree. :)

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The mess has been caused by politicians that only think of themselves, and by us people that voted them in and gave them the opportunity to do it.

  • Denny

    I have been watching Chia’s military for a long time. In particular it’s building of the largest navy in the world. My sources, Janes Ships, the Rand Corp. and Strattorfor. Plus some foreign news. The United States Media doesn’t report things like they did 30 years ago. They make up slam and gutter stories, but keep real news events from us. Look at all the fuss about Woods, I could care less. There are more important things than him. China will have a 750 ship Navy before 2020. The United States will have a 150 ship Navy. China is also developing Nano weapons. We are not. And yes, they need oil. Bad. They are also building the Airforce and have already surpassed us in the number of jet Fighters. Plus the are building military vehicles, personal carriers, tanks, trucks, ect. Much of it designed after American equipment. (gee, I wonder where they ggot the plans, any one remember Los Alamos?)

    • American Citizen

      Just heard this evening on Glenn’s show that Nelson, the Senator from Nebraska, has been threatened that if he doesn’t vote for the healthcare bill, the Strategic Air Command base in Nebraska will be closed. It shows that the healthcare bill is no good as Obama and his minions are using bribes and threats to get it passed. To use this country’s security as a hold to get it passed is anathema. Come on 2010.

    • Joe H.

      Denny,
      See if that reference says anything about diesel-electric subs? they are still the only ones that can run silent. Nukes all have a very pronounced signature!!!! the only way they can be truly silent is to set on the bottom!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Bill Clinton gave them everything they needed to know.

  • Everett Barton

    EBartScribe writes : You are still stuck in ‘American Exceptionalism’ with the notion that ‘resource wealth’ should be OURS.
    It is far simpler to become a ‘Worldian’ in your viewpoint and begin to harmonize and ameliorate the nations of the world with one another than to keep on seeking ways in which they should combat each other. Remember : We want world peace, first and foremost, and NOT a hard-scrabble for MINE and THEIRS, to boot….!
    Lay off the Chinese. They have done an earth-saving job and are MILES ahead of us in Methane-capture and so-called ‘clean-coal’ technology. All we can do is pay their price for their accomplishments,
    adopt them outright or improve on them if our government grants us the largess to do any R and D. But it would be smarter to get China to FORGIVE our debt in exchange for their ‘smart-grid’ components,
    and allow that debt-forgiveness to spark a JUBILEE cycle of wiping out our unfunded mandate debt and other debt, so that the money we print is no longer chasing anything we owe…..!! THIS would be our ‘Golden Revolution’ for our form of government, but from the tone of B. Livingston’s article and obvious signs from testosterone-stroked young male corporate types on the tele, it doesn’t look like
    THIS viewpoint will gain any traction.
    But you’ll find arch-progressives like myself CONSTANTLY descrying the exceptionalist position. WE ARE NO DIFFERENT NOR ANY MORE PRIVELEGED THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY. PERIOD.

    • jerry

      “we are no different nor any more priveleged than any other country period” exactly what have you been smoking Everett??? During the 20th century, America has led the world, for the most part pretty well. We fought and won TWO world wars to free countless people from the grips of tyranny, and then rebuilt their economies so they wouldn’t starve. Had they turned out differently you would not be speaking english, certainly would not be able to vote for your president, and would have no idea what the term “free enterprise” meant. Our Democracy has been a beacon to the oppressed the world over. Ours is the GREATEST country the world has EVER known!! Just look at the history of the 2oth century. And if you still don’t like America….MOVE!!! the inhabitants of North Korea or any of a number of countries would take the first chance they had to get out of their country and come to America, THATS A FACT!

    • Joe H.

      Everett B.,
      yeah right China is SOOOO far ahead of us in polution control!!!! That’s why they had to close the city down for the Olympics!!!! The smog was so thick that the people couldn’t drive in the city for a week before the opening ceremonies!! That’s real clean air!!!! It’s the same in every big city in the country!!!

      • J C

        No kidding Joe. I saw pictures of that and it was disgusting. But I’m sure if we just throw a few billion in global warming money at them they’ll have it cleaned up in a jiff! (Yeah Right!)

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Yo, Everett, pass the pipe baby, your bogarting it. Obviously bogarting it.

    • American Citizen

      Then why do so many people want to emigrate to this country? You’re full of it.

    • J C

      Who’s going to run this Utopia Everett? Oh never mind you go back to the magic bong and I’ll go clean my .45, someone is eventually going to have to help America be reborn American…And I don’t think we can count on your help.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Give Everett the bong and the .45, and let him play some Russian Roulette with himself. He is bound to win.

  • 14Freedomfighter88

    What you people forgot is that China no longer communist. It might disguise itself as a red state, but it is no longer.
    And one thing is for sure: we need a superpower to compensate American worldpolice. Without China this negro and his jiddish freinds would set up a barbed-wired ‘democracy’ throughout the world.
    The United States is the GREATEST threat to democracy and soverignity for countries don’t want coke-hamburger-chewing gum “freedoms”.
    China is GREAT. We need China. God bless the Chinese people!

    • coal miner

      Beb,

      For your imformation I am not on the left,I voted for Richard Nixion.He is the only president I ever trusted.The jury is still out on Obama.Buying these foreign own cars,shows a lot of greed,not patriotism.Most of these so called quality cars and materials are design by our people.We are going to regret that bit of stupidity in a few years.We got foreign countries that want to purchase our super highways and turn pikes,your conservative president George Bush was going right along with that.I got news for you Beb, American is not for sale.BUY AMERICAN UNION MADE PRODUCTS!STOP THE WHOLE SALE SURRENDER OUR COUNTRY!WE NEED JOBS!

      • American Citizen

        Which foreign cars are you talking about? Most are made right here in the USA by American workers. We have a new Honda plant down the highway from us. GM has outsourced most of its production to Mexico and Canada.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Sorry, pal, but youve got to put this old school union mentality aside. My Honda is made right here in the United States, right here in my home state of Indiana, where thousands of workers are employed that pay taxes and spend money and keep the economy rolling. If you care to know the facts, which at this point Im not sure of, but I assure you, there are more foreign made parts on your Chevy’s, Pontiac’s, Ford’s and Dodge’s, than there are on my Honda, and you can take that to the bank. But like I said, this information for you is only if your interested in the truth. If you reject it, then you are rejecting the truth, because you cannot change how it is, when the truth is the truth is the truth. You need to come to grips with that. Your so called American made car has more foreign made parts on it than my Honda, so I have to ask you, who needs to stop what? Maybe you should look into what YOUR buying.

  • Chuckleduck

    Fox tonite talking about a TEA PARTY party instead of the failed 2 parties we have. Anyone feel we could get our country back???

  • MJ Montana

    Are we really headed for s super-power war. The last thing we can afford it another arms race. I am very concered. As a kid in the 60s I went thought tha duck and dive. I don’t ever want to think my grandchildren will ever had to live such a life of fear.

    What we need is leadership and some kind of world concensus.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I dont know. The last arms race we had, led us to the biggest time of prosperity in this nation, under one Ronald Reagan, where it took 6 years of Bill Clinton to stop the thing from rolling.

  • G.W

    What about the fact China is working with the U.S. to reduce carbon emissions? That kind of shoots your theory all to hell. Moreover, Obama seems to be building a good relationship with China, something Prez Bush didn’t bother with.

  • MJ Montana

    It seems to me that if China holds over a trillion dollars in U.S. dollars its leaders are going to go along with what Washinghon things is reasonable. The days of Mao like those of Stalin are ancient historty. Right now the world is even cooperating in Copenhagen at the UN Climate Conference. What more proof do we need?

  • hunter

    I had to go back and reread this article three times after reading readers comments. I thought what had I misread? Turns out nothing, I belive Meyers is right on. I don’t think I could have been so easy on the communist country of China. But it isn’t all their fault, the good luck that has come their way wasn’t all hard work and peservence on their part, most of which was bestowed, given or forced on them by greedy, ingorant ceo’s of american companies. Companies that have been ran amuck by lack of stockholders control, this has been reflected by the exibortant pay of ceo’s, made possible by stocks being held in 401k’s which have no voting privileges by 401k investers. Our country has been sold a bill of goods, which the unknowing have swallowed hook line and sinker, and are so aloof they ask for more…Geeze, I can’t belive it! This country stands in the doorway to the Greatest Depression ever, and Obomba says he can pull it on through! (thru the door, to the greatest depression for those that don’t get it) Maybe some of the kool aid drinkers would be better off in Zimbabwe, where there is a lot of money and have Robert Mugabe look after their interests.

  • Bo Cappella

    Actually, the second decade of the 21st century does not begin until January 1st, 2011.

  • jbird

    No. The first decade began on Jan. 1, 2000. So, 2000 to 2009 is 10 years, 2010 to 2019 is 10 years.

  • J C

    The US is working with China to reduce emissions? Do people actually believe that? How unbelievably naieve. Under Cap and Trade China does absolutely NOTHING to reduce emissions. They do however get the benefit of American (Western) tax dollars to help them develop their nation. Has everyone forgotten they are a Communist country? Have we forgotten all the dead soldiers who fought to keep us free from Communism? Of have we just given up completely on our morals, our principles and even common sense to get in bed with Communists who don’t give a good God Damn about us…Have we become a nation of morons?

  • Bill Fox

    Remember when Japan was on course to buy the whole world?

    Then 1990 rolled around.

    The majority of China’s people have not benefitted from the boom of the last thirty years. Soon the “People” will be coming to the major cities with hoes, shovels, and rakes, by the hundreds of millions, to bring about a good, old fashioned, redistribution of wealth. Then China will go back into the dimly lit fog of history, for another few centuries.

  • http://hotmail JD

    JC has a great point….don’t forget they are still Communists. How are they buying their nuclear capabilities and building up their military and reserves? Every time you go and buy something that says “Made In China” – the only reason we buy that stuff is because it is a little bit cheaper here. My parents and grandparents would NEVER buy ANYTHING made in a Communist country. In fact, they would be saying, “there just trying to get us in good right now”, and then when empowered, you will see the real them. With every U.S. presidential election, the question would be “is this candidate leading us closer to communism or not?” Just how many Christians are still martryed in China today? – check Voice of the Martyrs and the World Missions Encyclopedias.

  • SS

    No jbird you are wrong and Bo is right. Contrary to popular opinion, the 20th Century did not end on December 31, 1999, it ended on December 31, 2000. Think about it . . . the first century ended on the last day of the 100th year, NOT the last day of the 99th year. Therefore, the year 2000, was the last year of the previous century. But if it is any consolation, 99% of the people agree with you, even though you are wrong.

  • OB1KNOB

    jbird, you are ignorant (meaning without knowledge) concerning the calendar commonly used in the western world. The year 1 b.c. was followed by the year 1 a.d. There was no year zero. Ten years have to pass to complete a decade, not nine. Therefore, the first decade began on January 1, 0001 and ended on December 31, 0010, the second decade began on January 1, 0011, and ended on December 31, 0020, etc.

    If we do not watch out, we Americans might be speaking Chinese and using their calendar by the beginning of the next century, which, by the the way, begins on January 1, 2101.

  • DL

    Bo Capella is right. To make it simple, there was no year “0″ A.D (or C.E)

    And this article is DEAD ON. The chinese effort at effecting genocide in Sudan- speaking of racism- is chilling evidence they don’t want to cooperate with the world.

  • Bury

    This is the problem, we start talking about China and now a discussion about in what century we are. At the mean time China is getting more gold and investing in our country and taking away our jobs. We just talk and they work.

  • Bo

    Everyone needs to open their eyes. China has destined itself to total world domination. My company just started a factory in China so we could produce products for the Chinese market. Why you might ask? Because the Chinese government makes it extremely difficult to import goods into China. They restrict many things and overtly tax others so it makes it very difficult to compete, unless you have a factory there and are supporting their economy. And we Americans, stupid as we are, continue to buy Chinese products which will support and build them up. We better wise up and stop buying and supporting Comunist China before we wake up one day with a red flag with cute stars over our capital.

  • DL

    thank you, another good evidence why not to trust china. genocide in sudan, and persecution of their own christians and political dissidents. not to mention forced sterilizations and abortions.

  • Joe H.

    JD,
    I find it funny how many of those that came up in the 20s and 30s who would never buy anything from a communist country do so when they get on a fixed budget!!! I see all kinds of older people in Wal-mart and other bargain stores buying up all those DVDs, Microwaves, TVs and other stuff as it’s cheaper!!!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I have people from my church that are over there as missionairies. They have to have jobs, like running a coffee shop or a deli or something to stay there, and the bible studies are done in hiding, because if found out they will be beaten and thrown out of the country, or even killed, as would the Chinese people practicing it. The chinese government is as afraid of Jesus Christ and the truth, as the liberals are in this country of the truth.

  • Charlie

    AMEN! That’s prophecy on the Go!
    Christians! Lift up your heads..our redemption draweth nigh!
    -Maranatha!

  • Anthony

    very well put JC.

  • Chuck

    The short answer is yes. We have become a nation of morons.

    The average citizen cannot distinguish between the fantasy they hear from their TV and the real truth. The peddlers of the fantasy want you to believe we are not doing real good – but things are improving, and we are making the world a better place – just make sure and give them more and more power so they can make it happen.

    The truth is that they are concerned with power and power alone. A country with a wrecked economy is very susceptible to having any liberties they hold dear taken away, and replaced by a totalitarian regime of some kind. Look at how easy it was for Hitler to enter the scene and convince a beleaguered Germany that the Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc were the cause of all their problems? Very easy!

    People believing the best about China are also the same ones who think the idiots peddling “Global Climate Change” are telling the truth. Of course in the 70s it was Global Cooling, then Global Warming. Then when that also does not happen it becomes “Global Climate Change”. They have to resort to deleting records to cover up the fact that they are peddling fantasy, and STILL people are so totally sold out they continue to believe.

  • MJ Montana

    We are all trapped on this same earth-ship. Of course we are all into this together. I am amazed that a totalatarian country understands that but readers of this site don’t.

  • Ed F

    Great Article, but after reading the comments that some of the readers left make me wonder what did these people read. To (G.W.) if you really think that Obama is building a good relationship with the Chinese people and that China is going to work on the reducing carbon emissions you really need a reality check.

    And to (Johnnyrite) that writes about the “disturbing undertones may seem to be fixated on race”
    If that is the only response that you gotten out of this article, Please go back a couple of times and read again.

    I do not care about the color of this man who was elected president of this country; I do care about the integrity of the person. History will show that this man was the worst president this country ever seen.

    If the American people do not wake up soon, and with this current administration, this county will become a under develop nation and will we be controlled by China. China will take control without having to fire one single shot. Then you will ask yourself “ how did this Happen”

    I really do not care if you believe the points that I made, But I do hope that you gather as much information from all sources and carefully look at news, and see that this great nation is going down the tubes very fast!

    Last point: God Bless our Men and Women in the arm forces, may you return safely to your love ones!

  • Daria

    China co-operating with the U.S. on reducing CO2 is just smoke and mirrors. Just because the media is heralding this new age dosen’t mean any good will come of it. China has a lot to answer for in the Sudan but Obama has given them a pass.

  • http://guymartinjackson@aol.com Guy Jackson

    Helllooo…Bush and the Chineese had a great deal of mutual resprct and admiration for each other. The Chineese never put Bush in front of a news conference without questions or blacked out his speeches as they did Obumbo. The Bush administration had the fore thought to PLAN THE VISIT and stipulate the rules. The Chicago gang dropped the ball and Obumbo gave a great speech to Americans only, and visited with selected students who could not even ask honest questions. The trip was a total cluster(word removed for offensive content).

  • Freeworld

    Wake up! Try finding the truth instead of buying what CNN tells you is the truth! America is dying and your ignorance is helping kill off what life we have left!

  • Sue

    Check out Tony Sagami’s (Uncommon Wisdom) reports from China a few weeks ago – he talks about the horrible pollution problems in the cities; and he loves everything Asia!

    Several years ago, PBS did a series on China – they talked about ALL aspects of China, including the terrible pollution problems in the rivers (many people’s only source of drinking water) and the devastating health effects this has had especially on its elderly.

    Also, a friend has adopted several girls from China – she says they take special masks to wear and cannot even see across the street out of their 4 star hotel room window.

    The “real scoop” reports from Copenhagen is that many countries were there hoping for a hand out from “guilty” countries like the USA (they have essentially “stormed” out); others were there so they could have a say in the control of things; The Chinese govt is very used to controlling things and it’s not about to let the USA tell it what pollution controls it will put in place.

    If you think you’ll ever get the REAL story out of the mainstream media about what China’s role is in global climate issues, forget about it – they don’t even know the REAL situation in REAL China now. We must depend upon other sources who have BEEN THERE and who do not have a political ax to grind.

    The greenhouse gas emissions treaty is just a way for an inroad into “SOME” legal entity controlling energy use – HELLO HELLO HELLO is anybody paying attention??????????????

    Do you want ONE WORLD POWER anywhere anybody anytime TELLING YOU WANT TO DRIVE, EAT, DRINK, WASH, LISTEN TO, WATCH, TEXT, CALL, TYPE, BUY or WEAR? And if you don’t do what “THEY” tell you to do, you are fined? Energy is somehow connected to almost everything.

    The one world power will be whomever controls the finances. Jeez, I wonder who that is? Did anyone say “bond bubble”?

  • Brandon

    obama is a commie

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    If you call kissing someones butt and bowing down and being submissive to them being constructive for the United States, I think you better think again. Pacifism and appeasement have lost everytime they were practice by any tongue, tribe or nation.

  • Jay thomas

    You are kidding yourself if you think China is going to work with the U.S. to reduce global emissions, which most people know to be a hoax. In case you have not figured it out yet, it’s not about a clean planet that libs want, it’s about having power over the American tax payer. The only thing this President has done is to put America (home of the free) in a weaker position than when he started. This kind of nieveness is similiar to the Obama administrations forign policy concerning North Korea. As if we need another resolution that will be disshonored in the name of stalling for nukes.

  • http://msnhotmail.com&yahoo pilgrim1776

    G.W. Are you living in this world? The United States of Amerika has fallen by the wayside as the elitists have intended. We are being glutted with many of the undesirables from other countries, as intended by the elitists, and our economy is slowly reaching the decay of complete destruction. The book, Animal Farm, was a warning that very few persons paid heed to since the government schools and the totally, controlled, media have dumbed-down the masses-r-asses to the extent that they now believe that government is their salvation. Both intensive and extensive research throught the 1980′s and 1990′s proved to me that the socialist, humanist and collectivist philosophies that already have destroyed most, if not all of Europe, have infiltrated into this once great Republic and now we are a faltering demokracy. Go to the library and research the history of this nation. It is all written for anyone to see. The elitists have not bothered to hide anything because they know just how much the society has been dumbed-down. Wake up, get your head out of the sand and start to realize that the only way for people to be free and have liberty is by adherence to obligation and responsibility!

  • Will

    China makes things and sells them to us for pieces of paper labeled $1.00. Who is the smarter party?

  • Freeworld

    Give me a break! Are you that naive to think that China would not love to take over and own America? They are well on their way do doing just that without firing a single shot. However, if it came to a showdown, I have no doubt that China would not hesitate to use its entire military might against the United States! And to my horror, that would be all she wrote for America!

  • Dan-o

    It seem to me that MJ Montana is easily Hypnotized by the media.

  • s c

    Whoa, MJ. China will dictate its own terms to our Washington retards. They know if America’s non-leaders continue to threaten China’s hold over us, they can lop off America’s legs at the knees.
    Never underestimate the depth of raw incompetence and retardation in Washington (it’s what they do best).
    As long as Americans are too lazy to keep a short leash on elected hookers, we will NEVER tell China what to do. It’s hard enough to get people to understand that it’s IMMORAL and ILLEGAL for any elected career criminals to act as though WE work for THEM.
    Re-read the Constitution, and take off those blinders, guy.

  • J C

    MJ, Based on how completely out of touch you seem to be, I have to ask…do you ever do any actual research or just take whatever your told as gospel? I say this because you seem like the Main Stream Media’s poster child.

  • jerry

    MJ Montanna: first the Chinese hold about 800 billion U.S. dollars in their SWF, not over a trillion as you stated. second, you call whats happening in Copenhagen “cooperation” DO YOU WATCH THE NEWS? you might want to check up on all that “cooperating” going on there, because its anything BUT cooperation. All the poor countries stormed out of the conference because they realized that they were not going to get the gravy train of money from the developed worlkd that they thought they would, and I’m glad!!!!

  • Sue

    You are right on Guy, also, those students BO talked to laughed at his comments about how strong our economy is. Just believe everything that comes out of his mouth — HELLO HELLO HELLO are any of you libs paying REAL attention?????? Some of them are starting to get it – the politically incorrect guy Bill Moyer said something like “You have got to remember that he is not your boyfriend – he is your Pres ident. Yeah.

  • Joe H.

    Guy,
    It was reported today that China will not sign any binding agreement on emission cut back!!! They state that over half of its people don’t have electricity nor running water therefore it would be unfair to them to cut back!!! This means MORE coal fired power plants! Not less!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Just goes to show what inexperience brings. Also goes to show what pompousness accomplishes. Also goes to show what incompetance brings.

  • Dan-o

    The Red Man will have War with the Eagle.

  • Sue

    MJ, you are probably a very nice person, but naive as all get out! FreeWorld, you are right on, but I’m not so sure the war will be a military, physical type of traditional war; the war will be a financial one and China owns the US through all of the IOU’s.

    We will have to do what they say (China’s comments several months ago were very revealing – imagine what they say behind closed doors) or they will cash in their IOU’s. Japan and the UK can no longer afford to keep buying them.

    There will be a stampede to the exits like you have never seen.

    Are you ready? Did anyone say “bond bubble”?

  • Atticus69

    Do not be fooled by the Chinese.Climate change co-operation?China is the world’s #1 polluter.Their function in the UN debate has been to insist that they are a developing nation and therefore the U.S. and EU should have to pay them and other 3rd world counties to get green.Think about it, we borrow $ from China to pay our “tribute” to UN, who sends it to—China.In other words it is a huge shell game where we increase our indebtedness to China and get nothing in return.China, on the otherhand increases it’s leverage over us with no risk as it gets it’s $ back and has an IOU, which it paid nothing to get.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I dont think so, just not yet. You see, I still believe in this thing called God, in Jesus Christ, and so does the majority of the United States. It is all that keeps us safe these days. If we call on him, and pray for our land to be healed it will. But we are moving farther and farther away from him, and are allowing the liberal left to kick the name Jesus out of our society, and soon, the days are coming soon, when we allow the left and the special interest groups, the gays, the muslims and such to kick Christianity out, then at that point, you betcha, we will fall.

  • Nick

    So, the shoe doesn’t fit so good on the other foot? America’s rise and fall over the last two centuries should be put into proper perspective. Which country had the greatest GDP for the last 9 out of 10 centuries? You got it. China. So live with it. With a population and production so much larger than ours they are simply playing with us.

    And what’s with all the war mongering? I find it very telling. You’re not suggesting, I hope, that we are in the MidEast for the “O” word are you? “O” as in oil, as in their oil not our oil which we have so poorly mismanaged that we can now justify grabbing, stealing, taking?…as in might makes right? Is this where your fear lies, that China might treat us the way we have been treating others. That ain’t right.

    But getting back to oil and the MidEast, I thought we were there to spread our new end-justifies-the-means torture policies and Big Bro wire-tapping democracy.

    In 5000 years they have never attacked anyone outside of their own territory, where as we seem to thrive on it, at the expense (death and mutilation) of others.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Question? How long before the government shuts down this web-site and comes after us?

    Also, note that Ben Franklin (Illuminati member) sold America on the Roman calender time and January one even was not always the turn of the civil year in America! Ben also introduced the “New World Order” concept in America. So, we got a lot more to worry about than just China, which will figure in our future later! Further, Russia, India, and China are buying gold and do not be surprised if the criminals in Washington also have bought gold out of common sense. Unfortunately, those buying gold did steal my money so I can not buy gold!

  • cerebus23

    How about the tiny fact that china has been in the midst of the greatest military buildup and modernization in global history over the last decade or so and what exactly are they doing that for? Who is threatening china that they need this massive peacetime buildup?

    I suggest everyone get their head out of the sand concerning china. They hold most of the debt for the united states. They are building up their military, they have been using n korea and middle eastern countries to stir up hot spots to keep us occupied.

    China’s mindset is more long term than people’s in the western world, what is their end game exactly and when will they start seriously moving on it? These are the questions that should be pondered and explored not hoping that china is going to play nice with everyone and spread peace love and lollypops.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    PS: Bankruptcy actually was made for our government, not more us!

  • Arkham Grundy

    We have given away our manufacturing so Americans can save a few bucks buying stuff made by children in China who barely earn enough to eat. Many people talk about patriotism, but that stops with their wallets. That is why WallMart forced so many US companies to move their manufacturing to the People’s Republic. Consumers do not realize that the money they save is false economy as we are really trading our country for cheap goods.

    China could destroy us in a few days if they decided to sell off their dollars for pennies.

  • Arkham Grundy

    Bush takes the title of worst President… the most inept.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    People like johnnyrite dont judge a man by the content of his character, he judges them by the color of his skin, and he is a disgrace to his race to think like that. Martin Luther King taught you better johnny. Shame on you.

  • s c

    Whoa, MJ. We are NOT all in this ‘together.’ Gore and and his braindead zombies prove that every day. The same goes for any thin-skinned, ultraliberal progressive who uses pc tactics or a false religion (global warming, et al) for MONEY and POWER.
    We have a lot of enemies, and many of them live in this country. Are you so self-conditioned that trees keep you from seeing the forest?
    Lest I forget, if you look around (open your eyes), America is on the verge of being a totalitarian country. The titular ‘leader’ of this group is what’s-his-name in the white house.
    Earth to MJ, wake up.

  • J C

    Wishful dribble quite removed from reality.

  • s c

    Come on, Arkham. Comrade obama is already running circles around GB in that department. Assuming that you care (and assuming that you don’t rely on lamestream media whores to do your thinking for you), your comment is a bit tacky and mucho inappropriate.
    To quote one of your friends – Paaaleeeeze!

  • coal miner

    Arklam,

    I won’t argue that.I like it when his father fainted and regurgitated his appreciation all over the Japanese Prme Minister.Buy American made products,with a union label.

  • Arkham Grundy

    Bush could barely form a sentence let alone run the country intelligently.

  • cr747

    s c and Grundy, Obama can only wish for the brightness and the intelligence that Bush had over him. Talk about speaking, Obama can’t even read a teleprompter 5 feet in front of him without making mistakes.!!!!!!!

  • Claire

    Beberoni–I sincerely hope you are not telling me that I look like him and am like him!!! I am my own person. I make up my own mind about issues, I do not let anyone sway me to do otherwise.

  • ASGreen

    There is an old saying: If you owe the bank $10,000 the bank tells you what’s up. If you owe the bank $10 million dollars you tell the bank. We are forced to take what China gives us (beggar beware). Last summer Mr. Myers spoke about the Chinese using all our debt as a political and military weapon. Basically, the can blackmail us. Forget Taiwan or else we sell you Treasuries!

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Sue, I’m not saying that China is not a problem, but I don’t think that it worries our immoral and corrupt politicians at all! You don’t think that “Bankruptcy” was met for the “regular” people like us do you? Our country can always declare bankruptcy and get out the stashed gold and start over again! We have done worse as a country, you know! As they say: “Let the buyer beware.” They’ll just sell us common folk to China for slaves, if nothing else. Remember, during WW II the Germans came here to learn our propaganda, not the other way around! Not to mention that it was us that knew everything that both Germany and Japan were going to do before they did it throughout the entire war! Please, Don’t ever under estimate our politicians!

  • DaveH

    Who would buy them?

  • DaveH

    And that would destroy us how?
    Imagine that you signed a note to a friend and he then sold that note to somebody else for a fraction of the price. Do you owe any more? No. The debt instrument is just in another fellow’s hands. Your friend is the one who has lost. Maybe if the new purchaser is Mafiosa, you might be in trouble. But who is scarier to us than China?

  • coal miner

    Arkham,

    You right on what most of what you said,but I wouldn’t worry about being destroyed.We always survive any crisis. Buy only american.My birthday is next week.I will be seventy-nine and got a lot running around to do. I am thinking about buying a new chevy.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    There we go, bash Walmart, the American icon of successful business. If your going to bash Walmart for buying Chinese stuff, make sure you recognize also that they are the biggest buyer of American made stuff in the country. Tell the whole truth please. Thank you.

  • MJ Montana

    The old saying applies SC, together we stand, divided we fall, usually through warefare and social strife. Obama is at least trying to rejoin the international community. What did Bush II do besides tell the world that if they weren’t “fur us, they whera again us”?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Gore, Pelosi, Reid, Boxer, Feinstein, Frank, Biden, Obama, Edwards, Daschle, Dodd, Shumer, Rangel, Kerry, and Clinton and the like have made it clear that we are not in this together. They have caused such a great divide between right and wrong that its not funny anymore, and they definately are not on the right.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    As said before, the real threat to us is from within, and these democrats within are not friendly to the United States of America. They would rather give lawyers to prisoners of war to defend them, and throw our soldiers in jail, than to protect and provide for our brave soldiers. That tells me all I need to know.

  • John Myers

    Dear OB1KNOB,

    I knew that someone was going to say the dating in the story is incorrect. It’s not a new lecture to me. I got the first one from my father on New Year’s Eve 1989. I mentioned to him that in decade’s time we would be at the cusp of the new millennia. He too pointed out there was no year zero.

    And yes OB1KNOB, technically you and Dad are correct.

    That said, most people believe and accept that the 20th Century began in 1900, just as they accept that the second decade of the 21st Century begins in a couple of weeks.

    Furthermore, I find that writers that are sticklers for absolute truths are usually pretty boring. If you don’t believe me, take the torture given to college freshmen students and read Plato’s Republic.

    Sincerely,

    John Myers

  • John Myers

    Bury,

    I could agree with you more. Worrying about year zero while China holds over $1 trillion in Uncle Sam IOUs is the ultimate in rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

    Best,

    John Myers

  • Joe H.

    Victor,
    and in the meantime, if we go bankrupt and start over, where do you think we are going to get the imports that we can not do without??? No one in the world will accept ANY U.S. currency after that!!!

  • Joe H.

    Victor,
    got an answer to my question???

  • Joe H.

    John,
    I don’t care which year it begins on! It is not important as the contents of this article are what matters and are very important and dire!!! There was a rumor(and that is all I can find on it is a rumor)that the national Parks were put up as collateral for the Chinese loans? I can’t say either way if it is true or not, but those parks belong to all the people and therefore should be off limits!! I don’t believe it is true but I would like to see if anyone else heard about it. Oh, and please don’t cite snopes as I don’t believe a word they say any more!!!

  • Joe H.

    J C,
    A big amen to that!!!

  • Joe H.

    Arkham,
    No, We’re talking about Bush, not you or your relatives!!!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    So, your prejudice then against a Texas accent? Thats what it is, or are you too damn dumb to know that? Are people from the south stupid to you also, because they talk different? You take the cake pal. Take a walk, and go away.

  • Claire

    Talk about accents. You should hear my voice. I am not even from the South and I have one heck of a twang. I really have a sounter accent. Unbelievable.

  • Claire

    I can’t even spell today. I meant that I really had a Southern accent!! But it does not bother me, I am what I am.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Arky boy is one of those people that if you dont look like him and talk like him, then you are different, and therefore stupid to him. This is just plain ignorance on his part. I would love to take guys like him, who find themselves so smart, and sit them down with George W. Bush, and have them both take the same IQ test, so that when they got done they could find out just who the dummy is, and then look in the mirror and see him. There is a dummy Arkham, and he is hiding in your bathroom right above the sink. Go in there and look, and you will see him there, right where I told you he is.

  • Claire

    yu are right. Who would buy them? Nobody.

  • Joe H.

    Nick,
    And just how much oil have we “stolen” from Iraq? The pipeline is plagued with problems and the oil that has been pumped has been sold by the Iraqi government and they have not sold us one barrel or given the U.S. one cent or whatever their money is called! Don’t be foolish!!!

  • Claire

    So true.

  • Curtis Rose

    The one thing you all fail to realize is that one party giveths and the other party takeths. $10.5 Trillion of the nations debt accumulated under three US Presidents,(Reagan, Bush #41 & Bush #43) all Republicans. President Clinton was one of two Presidents to ever take on the deficit (Andrew Jackson’s presidency was debt free). Clinton fought with the Gingrich “Contract with America” and the nations economy began to flourish. The very first people to benefit under Clinton and for that matter, all democratic presidents has been “white America.” Look at how deregulation has taken place under Republican administrations and how thay lined their friends pockets. Under Reagan, it was the military industrial complex, under Bush #41, it was the savings and loans (which his son Neil went to jail for) and under Bush #43, it was the oil industry, Halliburton and Blackwater, while all the while US companies were setting up shop in China and the average “white American” lost their jobs, their healthcare and their way of living. This is something you need to think about when you vote for a Republican becuase of moral values, instead of who will do more for your family, a Democrat or a Republican

  • DaveH

    Especially read the part in this article about China’s resistance to inspections:
    http://newsmax.com/Morris/Copenhagen-climate-obama-treaty/2009/12/16/id/343449

  • daveh

    We shouldn’t vote for anybody based on their moral values? We should instead vote for those who are immoral and want to steal other peoples’ money? Sure.
    Do you neighbors have to double-lock their assets when you’re around Curtis?
    As far as your claim about Clinton’s deficit reduction, read this:
    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

    And I really don’t know why you even bring that up because Obama sure isn’t reducing deficits or national debts.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Bill Clinton screwed this country right and left pal, cut our military in half and our intelligence in half and left us vulnerable, resulting in 9-11. We are at the state of relations with terrorists now because of his lack of doing anything, just smoke and mirrors and lies telling us the budget was balanced, and it was far from that. The internet boom made a bunch of rich guys money, which you seem to think was all of us, and it wasnt, and his meddling with Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac is what caused the banks to collapse, so if your going to judge Clinton, include the whole thing, including the damage he did that is just coming to fruition. Dont find him all glowing and rosy because he rode the successes of Reagan before he upended a good thing and drove the economy into the ground. You give him credit for what others did. He was the worst president ever to sit in the white house, and the more time passes, the more is revealed, and the more evident it is becoming of his damnation of America while he was president.

  • Claire

    Why do people compare today’s world with the world of 200 plus years ago? There is no comparison. Life was simpler back then. The times, economy, everything was different. The problems they had 200 plus years ago are not identical to what we have today. Our problems are different in many ways, and much larger. As I have said before, it would sure be interesting to see how George Washington and others would deal with the world of today.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    If you believe Clinton took it on, your the sucker he was depending on. My gosh man, I could make it look good like he did, if I cut the military in half, and cut intelligence in half, and let muslims build their strongholds here in the states to blow up 9-11. It was all smoke and mirrors pal, he didnt balance nothing but cigars on pages.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Definately a Republican will do more for your family and your country than a democrat. Just look what they have done this time? Rewarded GM and Chrysler for not know how to run a business. Expanded Welfare. Expanded food stamps. Expanded unemployment. These things did not help my family one bit. In fact, they cost me more to pay for these things. All these democratic social programs cost all of the working class families, and the only ones that benefit are the lazy bums that make the conscience decision not to work, and to live off the backs of others. I got a problem with that, so I dont vote democrat. Capish?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Correction comrade Montana. Obama seems to seek to put us under the control of all these countries, and bows down to them and harms this country day after day. He has nothing viable to offer, but to give us up, and that is what he does daily. And its wrong, and Im sorry you cant see that. He is the great divider, as he has divided this country like no one before him ever.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    The democrats who are destroying us from within.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Yeah, and have the government fund the unions with billions of dollars so they can get their future votes, right GM and Chrysler? Unions produce inferior products and that is why our manufacturing all is pretty much gone, because of unions. You might have a good one that keeps you safe in the coal mines, I dont know, but in the rest of life, they are a nasty terrible thing for business and quality.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Yeah Joe. What the heck happened to all those “war for oil” guys, you know, the ones that followed the democrats cries all that time. Seems that was another lie perpetuated by the democrat heads, and their blind followers all cried it for a long time but they dont anymore, because now they see it isnt true. But they still cry global warming, and they havent seen the truth that this is another left wing lie also, but its all coming out more and more day by day.

  • J C

    I admire your ethic….but maybe buy a Ford. At least they refused to be owned or controlled by the government and stuck to American values.

  • Claire

    Coal miner–Good for you! I’ve had Chevys for years. And a few Fords, and a Jeep. I’d really like to go crazy and get a Humvee but that will never happen.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Our company owns 47 Chevy full size vans and pick-ups, and what a joke. When I first started here, we had all Fords and Dodges, but since we do a lot of work at a very large Chevy dealer in town, we switched to Chevy’s. Now the Fords and Dodges ran real good, and would go around 200,000 before they got bad. These new Chevy’s are junk. Everyone of them had the intake manifold go at 15,000 miles, and sure the warranty covered them, but it took a lot of lost man hours running them down to the dealer, and running back to get them for the fix, just to find out the gaskets all go bad in another 20 thousand miles. The radiator clamps fell off a bunch of them, the transmissions went out at 45 thousand, and fuel pumps, just one thing after another. Not to mention all the stinking recalls, where we constantly have to take them down to get the recall items fixed. This is due to union mentality on the production line, you know, the “its not my job” mentality and certain parts didnt get bolted on right, or set in right. But Ive seen enough, that this educated man will never buy a Chevy again. I had a pretty good Malibu when I was younger, but not to many Chevy’s are good. Im finding them to be the least reliable of the American made cars.

  • J C

    Government compliance, taxation and unions are the reason our manufacturing industry went to China in the first place.
    Get the government out of the market place.

  • coal miner

    Beb,

    What about Toyota? Did you hear about the floor mats and carpets that got entangled with the throtle,a whole family was killed.I bought one of those so called superior quality foreign cars,Toyota,that was fifteen years ago I nearly got killed myself.The front brake on the driver’s side grab, it turn that piece of junk all way around. That was two weeks after I purchase it.It was brand new.So I went out got me a brand new red Chevy pick up,its being running ever since,with no trouble at all.I am not the only one complaing.There were others.I only buy American,not scab foreign cars.I am ready to buy another union made car or truck.I don’t care if it is a Ford or Chevy as long it is made in America.BUY UNION MADE!PUT AMERICA FIRST!PUT PEOPLE BACK TO WORK!

  • cr747

    Most all Chevy, and Ford parts are made over sea, and then assembled in the United States.!!!!!!!!!!

  • Claire

    cr747—I know parts are made overseas but it makes me feel better to buy a Chevy or a Ford–An American name.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    To coalminer, just so you know, my Honda is made right here in the US, and it contains more American made parts, as do most Toyota’s, than most of the GM and Chrysler made cars, which are laden with made in taiwan parts and made in china parts. Fact. And a Toyota saved my sisters life in a car crash, it was made so on a head on crash the motor drops down, and it saved her life. She would have been dead in any American made car, except maybe a huge cadillac, but then you tree huggers on the left hate those because they use gas more.

  • cr747

    Claire, I understand, I to drive a Chevy pickup. Most of the time I am in a Boeing 747.

  • Claire

    cr747—Hey what do you think of the 787?

  • Claire

    Beberoni—My ’92 Buick Roadmaster is huge. I think I would survive if I got in a wreck with it. It is such a behemoth.

  • cr747

    Claire, the 787 is awesome!! Can’t wait to be able to get behind the controls. Like a kid with a new toy.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    To Claire: It makes me feel better to know I got a quality vehicle that is going to last and not keep costing me.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I think their bark is worse than their bite. They couldnt hang with us.

  • cr747

    I agree, all of them and many, many, more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • American Citizen

    China is like the crocodile in “Peter Pan”. Don’t be taken in by his friendly grin, he’s imagining how well you’d fit within his skin. Liberals are so naive.

  • cr747

    Screwed,”literally.”!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • denniso

    China is a sovereign nation…would you sit still for U.N. inspectors monitoring our emissions? You would call for armed revolution.

  • denniso

    Just curious,when did America start dying? When Obama got elected??

  • denniso

    And you must be a fool!!

  • Johnnyrite

    China is moving away from the dollar but they are also trapped by it. They have let their $ holdings become so huge they have become completely indebted to America.

  • cr747

    Claire, I believe old George had enough sense,and knowledge to run the country. That’s something we don’t have now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I would believe, that as we were in war in Iraq, and the democrats were turning the world against us,and attacking our president and military every day, that George Washington would have had them all locked up in jail for being traitors. Thats what I truly believe.

  • Claire

    There hasn’t been any common sense in our government for many years. When was the last time America had a good President? Especially in this century? All of us will have a different answer.
    BTW—my son thinks the 787 is awesome too. He has read a lot about the structure,the materials used, and building of this plane. He was in the Air Force in Colorado and was also in the Air Guard. He worked on the radar equipment. He sure loves planes.

  • Markus

    Sir: I responded back on the other page: “Ron Paul Auditing of The Federal Reserve 1913.” I think that was the title reference…

  • jim

    No, When Pelosi and Reid took over the house and senate.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Nope. It was when Clinton got elected and morality died, and immorality revisited the White House like in Kennedy’s days.

  • Loud&Clear

    I truly hope that there is no one out there who is looking a the destruction of our freedoms and our Nation and the co-ops being formed with dictatorial nation a still believe that the ‘elite’ and those in gov. are after a ‘better world’ for the rest of us, under the LIE of Global Unity! DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! Most of these people are self-proclaimed Eugenesist! They believe in the reduction of 93% of the population! They believe that YOU AND I ARE TOO STUPID TO MAKE CHOICES FOR OURSELVES!!Read David Rockefeller’s memoirs! And they are all in his boat! It only took Regan one term to turn things around because he GOT GOV. OUT OF THE WAY! Regulation are Chains and they know it! So why do they keep making them?! These people are not stupid! These people didn’t emass the fortunes they have and rise to these places of power because they DIDN’T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING! They know EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING! And some of you FOOLS are swallowing every contaminated drop the give you. YOU CANT GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING AND THAT IS WHAT IS BEING PROMISE TO YOU! THEY ARE PROMISING THE ‘HAVE NOTS’ EVERYTHING THAT THE ‘HAVES’ MAKE, BUT THEY ARE DESTROYING THE ‘HAVES’ ABILITY TO MAKE ANYTHING!!!! What the Hell do you people think your going to get when we have nothing for them to take? And you fell for it hook, line and sinker! Find ‘GOOOH’ online. We need to kick them all out, ALL OF THEM and start over.If we do nothing now, we dont have a future and neither do our children.

  • stRanger

    Who got the better deal? That’s easy. China. Sure the $1 bill is just a piece of paper but given the $800 billion (plus interest) debt they hold over us it’s them with the advantage.

    China not a Communist country? Don’t kid yourself, yes they are. To compete and grow in the modern world they pragmatically loosened the reins on their own people to encourage the amassing of capital. The country has become RICH at our expense selling us low quality junk with high quality labels.

    When the time is right, they’ll drop the hammer on us to lever some HUGE advantages. Don’t forget, they are still a stated enemy of the United States and Capitalism. Their Asian patience and skillful use of using an enemy’s own weight to destroy him will be our undoing.

    Globalism, Socialism and free international trade the salvation of humanity? Don’t bet your life on it like Congress and Obama has.

  • Notguilti

    Well said my Friend

  • Jeff from Toronto

    Well said Loud&Clear, and David Hall unfortunately no matter how loud and clear it is said or shouted from the rooftops the 95% of the sheeple who make up the western world, are to stupid to listen to
    any thing that is the truth and prefer the mindless dribble they get
    on the “news”. You bet the “yellow peril” is real, except there
    is no need to drop any boms any more our North American “outsourcing”
    has seen to that over the last 2 decades.
    All China will do at the appropriate time (soon, real soon)is to “call”their loans and were FINISHED.
    Don’t believe it ?… If youre alive in
    the next 5 years you will have the pleasure of seeing it upclose.
    If you think that this “just” happened by accident, think again, as
    stated by others before, the rockerfeller/new world order/UN/globalist
    democracy/FED/zionist financial clique/greedy lilyliver politians and
    others have planned and executed the plan that got us to where we are
    today. Most of the sheeple will begin to realize and wake up to these
    sad facts only too late. They will then realize how they have been
    misled and lied to by our benevolent “government” It will of course be too late and they can then explain to their children how stupid
    they were to permit (yes permit, since it was in their hands to stop it but they were asleep at the switch.) yet did nothing about it.
    Good luck to US.

  • David Hall

    stRanger, I totally agree. I’ve been stating it over and over, we buy
    China’s junk and they recuit a 100 million man Army, not counting their
    Air Force and Navy, and their building up of high-tech Arms to use on
    (Guess Who?) When the time is right and their need for OIL is now, they
    will take it, just like we go to war FOR IT! It’s say alot about the
    wisdom of our Government Leaders, don’t it? We buy their junk and they
    build weapons to kill us. Sounds like a good deal for them.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    That second sentence was proven true on election day 2008. Morons indeed.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I read a sign in a bathroom in California once, and it said “Montana, where men are men, and sheep are nervous.”. I wonder if this was about this MJ Montana guy. Just curious.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And he cant articulate what he wants to say, without the teleprompter telling him what to say. He is just the figure head of the democrat party. He is no leader, in any way , shape, or form.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    What this will amount to, is the United States putting a crap load of money into some stupid fund, that the UN will control, and disperse to the terrorist nations it is made up of, to purchase weapons to use against us one day, with us paying for it. How damn stupid can we be? Dump the United Nations now.

  • Claire

    I am no prude, but gee whiz. It is appalling that politicians (Democrat & Republican) have all had a shot at infidelity. This tells me they are not working for America and the American people. They apparently they have a lot of free time on their hands. Egad, I would be working non-stop if I were in the White House. I would not be able to rest until the economy and this war were taken care of.

  • http://coxwebmail barakytie Dumdumbaba

    Barakety T. Obumer is a product of a dumb society that exhibits it’s dumbness by performing dumber actions!

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