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Black Pastors Organize Anti-Obama Campaign

August 2, 2012 by  

A group of black pastors is rallying together in an attempt to decrease the support of President Barack Obama in black communities. Their efforts are largely a response to Obama’s same-sex marriage stance.

The Coalition of African-American Pastors, headed up by the Rev. William Owens, is hoping to “save the family” and “save our country.” Owens called the direction in which Obama is leading the country “a disgraceful road,” and referred to the President as Judas.

 

 

The group claims to have 3,742 black pastors in its camp. Owens promises that the group will be as big as the President’s celebrity status.

“We are going to go nationwide with our agenda just like the president has gone to Hollywood,” he said.

Owens also doubts Obama’s commitment to helping the black community, noting that the President is “half-black, half-white.”

Owens, who actively participated in the civil rights movement, says that the comparison between the civil rights movement and same-sex marriage is nonsensical.

“The hijacking of the civil rights movement by homosexuals, bisexuals and gender-confused people must and will stop. There is no legitimate comparison between skin color and sexual behavior.”

The group is hoping to get 100,000 signatures in support of traditional marriage. Click here to sign.

Bryan Nash

Staff writer Bryan Nash has devoted much of his life to searching for the truth behind the lies that the masses never question. He is currently pursuing a Master's of Divinity and is the author of The Messiah's Misfits, Things Unseen and The Backpack Guide to Surviving the University. He has also been a regular contributor to the magazine Biblical Insights.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/vickstix Vicky Lynn Adair

    The man is SO IGNORANT he can barely speak coherently. It IS a civil rights movement, you moron. You’ll probably get your 100,000 signatures from idiots who are just as closed minded and homophobic, as you are. But, there will be equally as many people who disagree with your hatred, and small minded views.

    • Vigilant

      “Statutes on the state and federal levels have been enacted to prevent discrimination based on a persons race, sex, religion, age, previous condition of servitude, physical limitation, national origin and in some instances, sexual preference.” (http://definitions.uslegal.com/f/federal-law-civil-rights/}

      Don’t confuse “civil rights” with “perceived rights.” A “right” is not a civil right until it’s encoded in law. The black civil rights movement was indeed related to encoded law already on the books that was not being enforced.

      Gay marriage is not a civil right in a state where it is prohibited, period.

      • Robert Smith

        “Gay marriage is not a civil right in a state where it is prohibited, period.”

        That’s like Yogi Bara saying something like: You wouldn’t have won if we had beat you.

        Just because bigots can put a law on the books doesn’t make it right.

        Rob

      • Vigilant

        I repeat, “Don’t confuse “civil rights” with “perceived rights.” A “right” is not a civil right until it’s encoded in law.”

        Just the facts, Ma’am.

      • Robert Smith

        The FACTS are that same sex merriages don’t impact anyone outside the union.

        Why the extreme right is against it is simply their version of “them & us” so they can consolidated their own membership through mutual hate.

        So sad.

        Rob

      • Vigilant

        I repeat, “Don’t confuse “civil rights” with “perceived rights.” A “right” is not a civil right until it’s encoded in law.”

    • Robert Smith

      Single red meat issue is another example of the Southern Stratigey from the extreme right.

      Too bad America is being taken advantage of by those who promote hateful hot button issues.

      Are their lives sooooooo boring that they have to mess with the lives of others?

      Oh! I get it… They are getting their ticket punched to their heaven by their god at the expense of the freedom of others.

      Rob

      • http://yahoo bob peters

        seems you are getting your ticket punched by your god,SATAN!

      • Vigilant

        Smith we now find is a commie,
        Whose ignorance stems from his mommie.
        Said she to her boy,
        “God is dead, just a ploy,
        Now go out and have sex with friend Tommy.”

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So you are saying that Leftists will now go on sneak attacks because they could not overtly bring down Chick-Fil-A.

      • GRusling

        Just because you “choose” to believe differently from others does not grant you a “right” to impose your belief on them. You cannot change the historical meaning of a word, simply because you want it to mean something different.

        When you demand that your “belief” be accepted by others, attempting to “force” your belief on your neighbors, against their will you depart from the democratic process and enter the process of tyranny.

        When the democratic process votes against what you believe, your supposed “right” has been determined not to exist. It’s as simple as that…

      • http://www.hayesbabs@aol.com Barbara

        Rob we may be getting our ticket punched in heaven I am proud to stand up for what is right in Gods eyes. If Obama wins not only will we suffer but everyone in this country.

      • Robert Smith

        GR claims: “When the democratic process votes against what you believe, your supposed “right” has been determined not to exist. It’s as simple as that…”

        No, it isn’t that simple. For example, no matter how many votes there are for slavery or inequality it is unConstitutional.

        In America that isn’t allowed.

        Why do you allow your unAmerican bogtry to be ahead of what equality is? Is your brutal god really that unAmerican?

        Rob

      • Vigilant

        Bobby Smith, master of the non sequitur, says, “No, it isn’t that simple. For example, no matter how many votes there are for slavery or inequality it is unConstitutional.”

        Slavery and gay marriage are two separate, unrelated issues; don’t try to draw a parallel where none exists. Slavery was made unconstitutional with the 13th Amendment. Attempts to enslave are punishable under Federal law.

        Gay marriage is a state issue, clearly not covered by the Constitution at a Federal level. The democratic process has been served in those states where gay marriage is disallowed, as it has been served in states where it is legal. It is a civil right in the states where it is allowed, and NOT a civil right in states where it is banned.

        Whatever your sentiments may be regarding what is fair and what is not has NOTHING to do with existing laws at either state or Federal level.

      • Vigilant

        BTW, RS, you would do well to look at yourself in the mirror when you play the bigotry card.

        From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot:

        Bigot is defined as: “a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race.”

        Your well known, close-minded and oft-repeated disdain for Christians makes you the epitome of bigotry.

    • Vigilant

      Vicky says, “The man is SO IGNORANT he can barely speak coherently.”

      So you are both a homophile and a racist at the same time.

      How’s it feel to have the race card gratuitously played on you?

      Turnabout is fair play.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vigilant,”

        NEGROES TRY TO FIGHT “EBONICS” WHILE SPEAKING PUBLICALLY. “Vicky Lynn Adair’s” OBSERVATION WAS HONEST AND ACCURATE.

        “Vigilant,” HOW WAS YOUR SATURDAY BAR-BE-QUE? [18 AUGUST].

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I am proud that the pastors are finally waking up and shepherding their flocks from the human predators.

      • JON

        Blah Blah Blah

      • 45caliber

        Nadz:

        I fully agree. There are sure a lot of people on here today who know what is best for you, isn’t there? Or is it best for them?

      • Robert Smith

        From NB: “I am proud that the pastors are finally waking up and shepherding their flocks from the human predators.”

        Do you mean like all those priests or football coaches?

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        From 45: “Or is it best for them?”

        Really? Do you really think it’s proper for some Amercans to get their ticket to their heaven punched at the expense of others?

        I find that kinda sad.

        Rob

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I would say the man was passionate about what he is saying.
      You just don’t like the fact that the Pastor is not a Leftist.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Actually if You were in front of the microphone and the cameras You would be spitting hate and snarling at the Pastors because they would not be going along with Leftists.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Sharon Taylor

      It’s sad that you are unable to view your OWN small mindedness & hatred.

      • 45caliber

        Sharon:

        It is people like you who are showing the most “small-mindedness and hatred” by your comments to those of us who don’t immediately agree and bow down do you. Sorry, I still have the right to state my beliefs at least as long as I do it in a polite way.

      • Robert Smith

        But your “beliefs” should not be an excuse to deny other Americans equality.

        What impact does a same sex merriage have on you? Please spare us no details.

        Rob

    • Aristophanes

      vicky – wow, what a hateful statement!!! Is it because he is going to get support to defeat your messiah, obozo? Or, is it because he is following the Bible and not supporting same-sex marriage? Or is it because you are hateful and a racist? (Love turning the race card on you liberals!!) And oh yeah, this is NOT a civil rights movement, it is a moral issue.

      • Robert Smith

        “And oh yeah, this is NOT a civil rights movement, it is a moral issue.”

        “moral issues” have nothing to do with it. Mormons consider drinking to be a “moral issue,” Christian Scientists consider taking an aspirin to be a “moral issue.”

        Moral issues are for the flock, not the rest of us.

        Rob

    • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Proud American

      He got my vote, if you new anything about God and the bible, God does not approved of same sex marriage and he destroy a wicked city on issues of Homosexuls. This is not natural, if anybody is a moron is you!!! and all these stupid people like George Clooney and others, that thinks this right, when in fact it is not!!!

      • Robert Smith

        “and he destroy a wicked city on issues of Homosexuls.”

        Yup, and he saved the guy who tried to pimp his virgin daughters to a mob and then drank some magic wine so he didn’t recognize his daughters, but he could still have sex with them.

        Some god. Lot was the “most moral” guy… In today’s America he would be arrested for abusing his kids.

        Rob

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    F-I-N-A-L-L-Y! NEGRO CLERGY ARE PROVING THEIR Bibles ARE NOT PROPS UTILIZED TO SHIELD THEIR TAX-FREE LIFESTYLES!

    IF YOU ARE GOING TO STAND IN YOUR PULPIT EVERY SUNDAY AND SAY HOMOSEXUALS ARE GOING TO HELL, YOU NEED TO BE A “MAN” AND SAY THE NEGRO CHURCH MUST NOT SUPPORT THIS “PRETENDER” ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.

    THANK YOU, William Owens FOR POINTING-OUT THE KENYAN IS, “half-white!” SO, NEGRO-DEMOCRATIC “Bible-Thumpers,” DID YOU HEAR THE “good reverend?”

    Bryan Nash, SIR, YOU NEED TO PRINT YOUR ARTICLE AS A FLYER AND HAVE IT DELIVERED TO EVERY NEGRO HOME IN AMERICA. MAYBE, SOME OF THESE NEGROES WILL STAY HOME IN NOVEMBER – SO THEY CAN, “get right with God.”

    • http://yahoo bob peters

      Yes he is half white! 100% Marxist! Obama stands for no one,just himself! He gave the Black community 40% unemployment ..Yes we are greatful it wasnt 50%..We would be thankful if it were 8% like the white half! Therefore I will not stay home on election day but rather vote him out!

    • James Watson

      Perhaps you should stay at home and consider being or at least acting like a christian. This reverand is 100% correct in his standing against these morons that believe they can force feed the American public to their way of thinking. Once many people had feeling that you were really frowned upon and felt sorry for the queer population. After all the stupidity that the queer caucus has produced they are now standing against you.
      by all means I am white and I have many black friends that I enjoy their company when we sit and eat together and remember the good old days. Perhaps you should consider getting rid of the hatred and bigotry and enjoy the life Christ suggested we live. I also have oriental and african , Phillipo, and others I love and respect.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “James Watson,”

        I AM ATHEIST AND DO NOT SUPPORT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE – YES, I AM PRO-CAUCASIAN, BUT, YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY OTHER VALUES. I AM GLAD THESE NEGRO PREACHERS ARE NOT BEING HYPOCRITES BECAUSE OF A STUPID LOVE-AFFAIR WITH AN ILLEGAL “COLORED” PRESIDENT.

    • 45caliber

      Christopher:

      Well said. I agree.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “45caliber,”

        SIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. I ALWAYS READ YOUR COMMENTARY.

  • FreedomFighter

    About time.

    All it takes for evil to gain power is for good men not to act.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • skippy

      I AGREE FreedomF!! Thank God that people are waking up to the road this country seems to be headed on. I doubt you will see/hear from Rev. Al or Jesse Jackson on this matter!! But I sure do applaud their effort, and God bless ‘em! :)

  • eddie47d

    Reverend Owens: Gays should not be slaves to prejudice either. Society is only asking you and others to accept all citizens as equal and be given the equality that heterosexuals enjoy. As with blacks once that is achieved then the storms will calm and equal opportunity will reign. Since you have been in the Civil Rights movement you are fully aware of the victories and of the defeats. Much has been gained and somethings haven’t changed at all. Keep it civil and all parties should only drink in what they need to gain that equality.

    • WILDFIRE

      No, your not wanting equal opportunity, you want special rights above and beyond anyone else.

      You had and have been given the solution of legal “Civil Unions” which are recognized the same as marriage and administered by magistrates. However, that was not good enough, you want wedding vows changed from “Do you take this man to be your husband” to “Do you take this man to be your life partner”. Thus trying to not only change the century old definition of what marriages stands for, but to also change the words by which the institution of marriage is based on. Then to top it off, you demand that religious organizations, churches and its clergy to violate their very religious belief and principles to accommodate you.

      You were offered solutions to establish your equality, you simply didn’t just want equality, you want to try to force and bully and try to transform everyone into your perverse society, instead of blending in with heterosexuals society.

      Now it is getting to the point that people are sick and tired of hearing about this 1 or 2% of the gay population trying to bullying the other 98% of the population with love us or else!

      You want equality and same rights as heterosexuals and claim you are being discriminated upon, then you turn around and discriminate and try to oppress the heterosexuals rights for your own personal perverted gain. Heterosexuals have tried to be tolerate and forgiving and even accommodating, but it is never ending. It is apparent, “Give an inch and you want a mile” scenario, you have been pushing your agenda upon heterosexuals, now cry foul because they are pushing back.

      People will only be pushed so far for so long before they start to push back. Your qu33r sick and perverted society would do well to leave well enough alone and “Sit down and shut up!”

      Most of the heterosexual society does not care what your society does as long as you keep it to yourself and keep it in the bedroom. But not a day goes by that qu33rs are not trying to force something on someone somewhere in this Country. Keep it up and all that you currently have may just end up disappearing. If you continue to push the heterosexual society they are going to have to draw a line in the sand and declare what is right and what is wrong, they are going to push back and all your time, money and efforts are going to be wasted.

      • JON

        Wow! You’re demonstrating such Christ-like character: Loving, tolerant, and compassionate. Sorry, I lied! Your are so misinformed and pathetic in your beliefs!
        Until you have actually experienced discrimination because of your skin color, ethnic background, or sexual orientation you then have absolutely no idea what you’re going on about!

        OPEN YOU MIND AND LEARN FROM THE FOLLOWING::::::::::

        The word homosexual first appeared in the bible in 1946. This is a discussion of the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words, which some translators have interpreted as referring to homosexuality. You can follow the links to read each verse in several translations. Also use the links to read the chapter to appreciate the context of each verse.

        Gen. 19:5-8;
        The Hebrew verb which is commonly translated as “know” is ya,,da. It appears 943 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. In only about a dozen of these cases does it refers to sexual activity – all heterosexual. The Bible comments on Sodom in about 40 or so places. The “sin of Sodom” was that they were, arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. For rabbinic Judaism, Sodom was the cruel city that abused the poor and the outsider and not a hotbed of male male eroticism.

        Lev. 18:22; 20:13;
        Many Biblical scholars interpret these verses as referring to temple prostitution, which was a common practice in the Middle East at that time. They note that to’ebah, often translated “abomination”, is a religious term, usually reserved for use against instances of idolatry. If the writer(s) of Leviticus wished to refer to a moral violation, a sin, he would have used the Hebrew word zimah. The word “abomination” that we see in English translations of the Bible could better be translated “foreign religious cult practice.” The Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (circa 3rd century BCE) translated to’ebah into Greek as bdelygma, which meant ritual impurity.

        Deut. 23:17; 1 Kin. 14:24; 15:12; 22:46; 2 Kin. 23:7;
        The word qadesh in the original Hebrew text was mistranslated as “sodomite”. Quadesh literally means “holy one” and is here used to refer to a man who engages in ritual prostitution in a Pagan temple. The entire verse seems to condemn temple, ritual, prostitution, whether heterosexual or homosexual. It has nothing to say about gay or lesbian sex within either a casual or a committed relationship.

        Rom. 1:24,26,27;
        The Greek phrase para physin is commonly translated into the English word “unnatural”. In Greek, the phrase really means “that which is beyond the ordinary and usual.” “Unconventional” would have been a good word to use. Paul uses those very same words para physin to describe how God grafted the Gentiles into the olive tree that is the Jews. Romans 11:24 Now Jew and Gentile are one in Christ. But to graft a wild tree into a cultivated tree is not the ordinary thing to do; it is something unusual. Still, that is what God did through Christ. Paul uses the same two words, para physin 1 Corinthians 11:14, when he refers to long hair on men as unusual and not ordinary.

        1 Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:9,10.
        The original Greek text is malakoi arsenokoitai. In both Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25, malakoi is translated as “soft” (KJV) or as “fine” (NIV) in references to clothing. The meaning of arsenokoitai has been lost. Some sources in the early Church interpreted the phrase as referring to “temple prostitutes” – people who engaged in ritual sex in Pagan temples, others thought that it meant “masturbators”. Much Greek homosexual erotic literature has survived, none of it contains the word aresenokoitai

      • 45caliber

        Jon:

        I LOVE how you people try your best to change the meaning of words, to change the words themselves, in your effort to “prove” God is wrong. I fail to believe you. And I would much rather go before God when I die and explain that I misunderstood a word than explain why I had no problem letting homosexuals change the religious rules that God set up. Christians do not “forgive and change religious laws”. Christians believe what is written for them to believe. So don’t accuse me or any other Christian of failing our faith because we won’t accept gays as ministers or gay marriage. We are following it. If you actually believe that Christians should do that, you don’t know what a Christian really is. Perhaps you should learn. I’ll pray that you do.

      • 45caliber

        Wildfire:

        You are correct. Their goal is not to be married; it is to force by court decision religious laws – which is in direct violation of the 1st Amendment. And they want to gain special rights that the rest of us won’t have such as first right to any new jobs that open up, etc.

      • eddie47d

        “First rights for job applicants” Caliber. I haven’t heard that one before and you know this how?

    • Average Joe

      eddie47d ,

      Considering how much you like to jump on this bandwagon so often eddiot…I must ask…which are you…the pitcher or the catcher?
      If you say neither…then go F**k yourself!
      Whining isn’t pretty…don’t do it!

      Best Wishes,
      AJ

      • JON

        You said “go F**k yourself! and then “Best Wishes”.
        Thank for demonstrating your character and intellect!

      • Average Joe

        Jon,
        just because I insult eddiot, doesn’t mean I can’t be somewhat civil while doing so…
        Now, which are you… Pitcher or Catcher?…you know the rest….

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Average Joe,”

        YOU NEED TO USE OTHER WORDS BESIDES, “pitcher” AND “catcher” – TO MALE HOMOSEXUALS, THOSE WORDS DO NOT MEAN WHAT YOU THINK THEY MEAN.

      • Average Joe

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON ,

        First hand Knowledge?

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Average Joe,”

        MALE HOMOSEXUALS ENJOY SOLID- AND FLUID-EMISSIONS AND UTILIZE MORE THAN ONE ORIFICE; YOUR BASEBALL ANALOGY DOES NOT “HOLD WATER.”

      • Average Joe

        For those here that don’t know me or my views, I will attempt to set the record straight.

        I do not care what anyone else does in the privacy of thier own homes and bedrooms…it does not concern me at all. However, I , as well as many others are tired of having this crap… crammed down our throats by the GLBT idiots, the MSM and even our supposed representitives.
        I have no problem with being tolerant of others…but no matter how much they whine and scream…they will never force me to believe that what they do…is normal…it isn’t normal.. and for me…it isn’t moral. I will Tolerate…I will not condone..this practice.

        I have a few friends that happen to be homosexuals ( both males and females), we have an understanding…when we are together we do not engage swapping spit with our partners and we do not show overt sexual actions in each other’s company, nor do we discuss our private sex lives …we respect each others views and discuss things that are really important…the economy, our jobs..current events…our sexuality is not discussed nor is it an issue… out of repect for each other.

        So please, stop trying to force us to accept this behavior as being normal…and be happy that we are willing to tolerate it.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Average Joe

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON,

        Skirting the question?

        Please..turn off the caps…yelling doesn’t make us listen to you…it simply annoys us further…and shows you lack of keyboard skills as well as coversational etiquette.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Average Joe,”

        I HEAR YA, SIR. I HAD TO TELL YOU LIKE IT IS BECAUSE YOU WERE GETTING INTO OUR “Kool-Aid.”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Average Joe,”

        SOMETIMES IN LIFE YOU COME ACROSS PEOPLE WITH NO SCRUPLES – I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. YOUR “pitcher”/”catcher” ANALOGY WAS INAPPROPRIATE. SO, SINCE YOU SEEMED TO HAVE WANTED AN “ANSWER,” I PROVIDED AN “ANSWER” WHICH IS ACCURATE. IN THE FUTURE, ALWAYS REMEMBER – DO NOT SAY SOMETHING WHICH MAY CAUSE SOMEONE ELSE TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER.

        BY THE WAY, WHY DO HETEROSEXUALS A-L-W-A-Y-S SAY THEY HAVE HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS?

      • Average Joe

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON ,

        BY THE WAY, WHY DO HETEROSEXUALS A-L-W-A-Y-S SAY THEY HAVE HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS?

        Maybe, because some of us do. Many years ago, after high school. I worked with 3 differnt theater groups doing make up, props etc. ( I never cared much for the spotlight myself) over the 4 yrs. that I worked in theater, it became obvious to me that around 70% of males and 40% of the females were homosexuals. Almost all of the cast parties were held at one of the larger “gay” bars in our city (because it was the only place large enough and classy enough to handle our large parties). I got to know many gay people over those years. Some were overt and undaunting in thier attempts to “convert” me, but for the most part, the majority accpted me as being straight and treated me with respect and I, them. We all learned to tolerate each other…regardless of our sexual preferences. Over the years, I have learned to tolerate everyone….until they cross a certain line. There are those people, both gay and straight…that don’t know how to accept no…as an answer…for those people…I have NO tolerance. My theory is this…if you treat me with respect, I will return that respect in kind. However if you cross certain lines….there will be no respect from me.
        I judge others on their actions and character….not who they sleep with ( that is between them and thier creator to sort out). As I said above, I will Tolerate, but I will not condone or participate.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Average Joe,”

        THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM. I HOPE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY. FIRST, I WILL SAY I AM A CLASSICAL MUSICIAN (EARLY MUSIC).

        THIS IS A PIECE OF ADVICE – OF COURSE, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE IT. YOU MADE A HYPOCRITICAL STATEMENT WHILE DISCUSSING YOUR BACKGROUND IN THEATRE, YOUR HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS AND YOUR REPLY TO MY EXPLANATION OF MALE-HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR. ACTUALLY, YOUR HYPOCRISY IS QUITE COMMON AMONG HETEROSEXUALS WITH HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS.

        WHEN I GAVE YOU AN EXPLANATION ON MALE-HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR, YOU I-M-M-E-D-I-A-T-E-L-Y TOLD ME YOU DO NOT “swap spit,” OR, DISCUSS YOUR SEX LIFE WITH YOUR HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS; YET, YOU STATED SOME OF YOUR HOMOSEXUAL COLLEAGUES IN THE THEATRE HAVE TRIED TO “HIT ON YOU.” “Average Joe,” SIR, THOSE TWO STATEMENTS REPRESENT A PERSONAL “CONFLICT” – ESPECIALLY WHEN HEARD BY A HOMOSEXUAL. YES – HETEROSEXUALS HAVE CAREERS IN FINE ARTS. BUT, YOUR STATEMENTS WOULD CAUSE THE READER TO WONDER WHY YOU CHOSE A CAREER IN A FIELD HEAVILY-POPULATED WITH HOMOSEXUALS AND SIMULTANEOUSLY HAVE A NEED TO GIVE THE NEGATIVE RESPONSE YOU GAVE TO ME. IT SEEMS YOU ARE TRYING TO BE “OPEN-MINDED” AND BIASED AT THE SAME TIME.

        SINCE I AM MALE HOMOSEXUAL, “Average Joe,” I HOPE YOU CAN ACCEPT MY COMMENTS IN THE CONTEXT I MEANT.

      • Average Joe

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON says:

        “YET, YOU STATED SOME OF YOUR HOMOSEXUAL COLLEAGUES IN THE THEATRE HAVE TRIED TO “HIT ON YOU.”

        Maybe you need to go back and re-read what I said…nowhere in my post do I state what you have alleged. Reading comprehension problems?

        I stated, that our cast parties were held at one of the larger gay bars. I did not say that anyone from the theater groups ever hit on me…not even an enuendo of such occuring.

        My comment was:
        “I got to know many gay people over those years. Some were overt and undaunting in thier attempts to “convert” me, but for the most part, the majority accpted me as being straight and treated me with respect and I, them.”

        How did I get to know these people? From being at the cast parties at THE BAR now, just because we held our party at the bar, does not insinuate that the bar was closed to the general public…nor does it insnuate the any of the cast members “hit on me”. Maybe you need to take a reading comprehension class…or, at the very least stop assuming… that which you do not grasp.

        As for why I chose this field of endeavor at the time….Like many young people in the early 70′s I was interested in learning theater craft in order to possibly work my way into Hollywood…yes, like many people…at that age, I had stars in my eyes….even a lowly carpenter can make big money in Hollywood…building sets. It had nothing to do with who was gay and who wasn’t gay….it was about learning a craft. Anyone that has never worked in theater do not know what the ratio between Gays and straights are…until they are within the field…people don’t come u and say…Hi welcome aboard…we’re gay….you learn that by observation …over time…once you are in the field. Just like construction…you don’t know how many drunks you have working for you…until you observe them. Your arguments are both flawed and assinine.

        While you are free to assume whatever you wish…remember that you are only making an a55 out of you …not me.
        As for swapping spit…what does it matter how I choose to simplfy the act of Kissing? You simply arguing semantics and have no validity..and no…we don’t discuss our private sex live…apparently my friends ave more tact and good manners than you and the typical folks you choose to hang with…Oh wait…you said it yourself, “SOMETIMES IN LIFE YOU COME ACROSS PEOPLE WITH NO SCRUPLES – I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.”

        You have no scruples, you have no manners and you expect us to cheer for you? Not going to happen.

        “FIRST, I WILL SAY I AM A CLASSICAL MUSICIAN (EARLY MUSIC).”

        Wow, did you think that you are the only person that knows what classical music is?
        Belive it or not, I have been around for 56 years…I am a musician ( Guitar, Bass (both upright bass and bass guitar as well as keyboards).. I play everything from Classical to heavy metal…but my personal favorites happens to be Jazz and Classical music….maybe you should come down from you r condesending, holier than thou pedestal before you get a nosebleed or worse…fall and hurt youself or someone else.

        Please continue with your ill-informed rants….I always enjoy watching folks like you make fools of themselves.

        BTW, I won’t repond futher…as you seem to have of the answers to Life, the Universe and Eveything…so regardless of how anyone responds…you already know everything, can read minds and hearts…therefore further response would be a waste of my time…but please…feel free to waste yours.

        Am I offended?…No, simply amused….

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Average Joe,”

        THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST ON THIS TOPIC BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE INCONSISTENCIES IN YOUR STATEMENTS.

        I MENTIONED EARLY MUSIC TO INDICATE THE BRANCH OF CLASSICAL MUSIC I FAVOR. I WAS NOT TRYING TO SAY YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT CLASSICAL MUSIC IS.

        “Average Joe,” YOU SHOULD N-E-V-E-R TELL ANYONE YOU HAVE HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS AND MENTION IN THE SAME BREATH, “Some were overt and undaunting in their attempts to convert me…;” THOSE TWO THINGS ARE INCONSISTENT, SIR. BY THE WAY, THE WORDS I USED (“HIT ON YOU’) MEAN THE SAME THING AS, “convert.”

        “Average Joe,” IT WAS MY GOAL TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO HEAR YOU SAY THOSE THINGS WILL PROBABLY NOT “CATCH” THE MEANING YOU INTENDED.

      • eddie47d

        So Average Joe is saying he has gay friends and that they are not normal. Do they agree with your vison of them and would they still be your friends if they know how you really feel? We will probably never know. By the way fool I am married with 3 kids and all who enter are welcomed in my home. My brothers son is gay so take a hike moron!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “eddie47d,”

        I COULD BE WRONG; I THINK YOU ARE NEGRO MALE. SO, I DEFINITELY DID NOT WANT TO GET INTO A DISPUTE WITH YOU. [If you are Negro, I ALWAYS want to stay on friendly terms with you, since Negro males are rare on this site]. BUT, HERE WE GO.

        IF ANYONE TELLS SOMEONE THAT A PERSON OF THE SAME GENDER TRIED TO “convert” HER/HIM, THAT MEANS ONE OF TWO THINGS:

        I). YOU CONSCIOUSLY (OR, SUBCONSCIOUSLY) ARE OFFENDED BECAUSE THE MENTAL IMAGE OF HOMOSEX IS UNBEARABLE; OR,
        II). YOU ARE INTRIGUED BY THE IDEA, BUT, DO NOT KNOW HOW TO PROCEED.

        I DID NOT SAY THIS TO “Average Joe,” BUT IF HE IS READING, THIS FITS HIM TOO. MANY HETEROSEXUALS WITH HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOMOSEXUALS AT ALL. I HOPE THESE HETEROSEXUALS HAVE A C-L-E-A-R UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS’ MINDSET. “Straight men” ARE “BIG-TIME” SEXUAL FANTASIES FOR MALE HOMOSEXUALS. IN SOME CASES, THESE SITUATIONS ARE “RIPE” FOR THE CREATION OF SO-CALLED, “bisexual” TRIANGLES. THESE TRIANGLES CAN BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS – SOMETIMES FATAL.

      • eddie47d

        That was rather strange Horton and doesn’t deserve a reply.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “eddie47d,” YOUR NON-REPLY GAVE ME AN ANSWER.

  • DaveH

    I only wish the Pastors were more concerned with important things like the Theft of the American Peoples’ money, or the violent meddling in other countries’ affairs.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I am sorry that you think that this is not important, what is happening with the black Pastors.

    • WILDFIRE

      Its not a pastors job to worry about taxpayers money and how it is spent by Government nor is it their job to deal with foreign relations.

      It is their job to lead and teach and guide peoples spiritual well being and build good morals and principles and to reject immoral and perverse actions.

      It is futile for them to try to change what they have no control to change or guide.

    • 45caliber

      DaveH:

      I agree. In fact most blacks are actually conservative except when it comes time to vote. Then they vote 1) for any black on the ballot and then 2) for any Demo who promises more free stuff. Yet most do not use that “free” stuff themselves. I would certainly like to see them vote for the best man for the job on his qualifications rather than because of race or promises of more free stuff. If this action will shake up their voting habits then I’m all for it.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “45caliber,” GREAT COMMENTS.

        YES – NEGROES ARE CONSERVATIVE, BUT, THEY ARE “SPLITTING POLITICAL HAIRS” BY OPPOSING SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY SUPPORTING THE DEMOCRATIC ABORTION-RIGHTS AGENDA.

        NEGROES CONSIDER THE “Women’s Movement” OF THE 1970s TO BE A CAUCASIAN-FEMALE MOVEMENT. NEGRO FEMALES OF MY GENERATION AND OLDER CONSIDER ABORTION TO BE A SIN. BUT, BECAUSE NEGROES TRUST CAUCASIAN DEMOCRATS OVERALL, THEY FEEL “STUCK” WITH CAUCASIAN FEMALES’ DESIRE FOR ABORTION-RIGHTS.

        NEGROES LIKE CAUCASIAN DEMOCRATS WHO ARE “PRO-LIFE” AND REFUSE TO “BEND” TO THE “WOMEN’S-LIBERATION” CROWD.

  • Lew

    HITLER had it right when it came to FAGGOTS!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      But you sound exactly like Hitler when you spew this nonsense. So you are working with the Leftists.

      • 45caliber

        I agree. He is a leftist and probably gay himself.

    • JON

      Well, aren’t you just special! You must be so proud of yourself! You’ve done an excellent job demonstrating your character and intellect to everyone. Wow! You must be popular and loved by thousands…..and detested by the renaming 7 billion!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Why Thank You, I am in the best company.

      • JON

        To Nadzieja Batki: Were you born a divisive prick or did you study hard in becoming one?

    • http://teamlaw.org/TrusteeMessage.htm Jazzabelle

      Interesting that you would say that, Lew, because Hitler had a more nuanced view of homosexuality than modern Americans do. He viewed homosexuality as a degenerating force in society and believed that it would destroy any culture that allowed it. Therefore, he actually encouraged homosexual behavior among the races that he considered “inferior.” But, homosexual behavior among “Aryans” carried the death penalty.

      Is that what you believe too?

  • Ginosanellian

    Praise the LORD! We are not haters of those lost, but, we also will not have this sinful lifestyle crammed down our throats, as if it weren’t the perversion it is.

    • JON

      OPEN YOU MIND AND LEARN FROM THE FOLLOWING::::::::::

      The word homosexual first appeared in the bible in 1946. This is a discussion of the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words, which some translators have interpreted as referring to homosexuality. You can follow the links to read each verse in several translations. Also use the links to read the chapter to appreciate the context of each verse.

      Gen. 19:5-8;
      The Hebrew verb which is commonly translated as “know” is ya,,da. It appears 943 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. In only about a dozen of these cases does it refers to sexual activity – all heterosexual. The Bible comments on Sodom in about 40 or so places. The “sin of Sodom” was that they were, arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. For rabbinic Judaism, Sodom was the cruel city that abused the poor and the outsider and not a hotbed of male male eroticism.

      Lev. 18:22; 20:13;
      Many Biblical scholars interpret these verses as referring to temple prostitution, which was a common practice in the Middle East at that time. They note that to’ebah, often translated “abomination”, is a religious term, usually reserved for use against instances of idolatry. If the writer(s) of Leviticus wished to refer to a moral violation, a sin, he would have used the Hebrew word zimah. The word “abomination” that we see in English translations of the Bible could better be translated “foreign religious cult practice.” The Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (circa 3rd century BCE) translated to’ebah into Greek as bdelygma, which meant ritual impurity.

      Deut. 23:17; 1 Kin. 14:24; 15:12; 22:46; 2 Kin. 23:7;
      The word qadesh in the original Hebrew text was mistranslated as “sodomite”. Quadesh literally means “holy one” and is here used to refer to a man who engages in ritual prostitution in a Pagan temple. The entire verse seems to condemn temple, ritual, prostitution, whether heterosexual or homosexual. It has nothing to say about gay or lesbian sex within either a casual or a committed relationship.

      Rom. 1:24,26,27;
      The Greek phrase para physin is commonly translated into the English word “unnatural”. In Greek, the phrase really means “that which is beyond the ordinary and usual.” “Unconventional” would have been a good word to use. Paul uses those very same words para physin to describe how God grafted the Gentiles into the olive tree that is the Jews. Romans 11:24 Now Jew and Gentile are one in Christ. But to graft a wild tree into a cultivated tree is not the ordinary thing to do; it is something unusual. Still, that is what God did through Christ. Paul uses the same two words, para physin 1 Corinthians 11:14, when he refers to long hair on men as unusual and not ordinary.

      1 Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:9,10.
      The original Greek text is malakoi arsenokoitai. In both Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25, malakoi is translated as “soft” (KJV) or as “fine” (NIV) in references to clothing. The meaning of arsenokoitai has been lost. Some sources in the early Church interpreted the phrase as referring to “temple prostitutes” – people who engaged in ritual sex in Pagan temples, others thought that it meant “masturbators”. Much Greek homosexual erotic literature has survived, none of it contains the word aresenokoitai

      • 45caliber

        JON:

        You already posted this on here once. We don’t need it again. It was meaningless the first time and a second posting won’t make it any more meaningful.

  • DOROTHY

    WE ARE NOT THE CREATOR, (PASTOR) WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT. LIKE IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE THOSE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE? T HERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE READY TO BRING DOWN SOME ONE THAT DOES’N FIT THEIR PROFILE. INSTEAD OF THESE PASTORS COMING DOWN ON THE GAYS THEY SHOULD TRY HARDER IN FIGHTING AND TEACHING THESE YOUNG PEOPLE FROM EITHER KILLING SOMEONE . THAT MORE IMPORTANT THEN WORRING ABOUT GAYS. THESE BLACK MINISTERS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF SAYING THINGS REGARDING THE QUOTE BLACK/WHITE PRESIDENT. LET HIM DO HIS JOB TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE MESS FROM PRIOR PRESIDENS. STOP BEING SO RACIST.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Dorothy, but you are a racist. What you are spouting is pious BS so that tells on you that you must know some Bible that you twist for your own ends.

      • JON

        Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah

    • Jose Pujals

      Dorothy, really??!!!? What good has oBAMA done in his almost 4 years as president? This Godless president is trying to shove his Godless agenda down America’s throat whether we like it or not – just like oBAMACARE. No, Dorothy, these pastors are spot-on! If not them then who? Are we to just let oBAMA do what he wants even if it goes against the grain? NO! AND, you are WRONG about judging. We all have to judge other people in our lives, God mandates that we not judge to condemnation (hell), that is His job. Have you not read 1Cor 5: 3 & 12? The apostle Paul is passing judgement on a person for being immoral here. And in Proverbs it states to ‘judge’ your neighbor before you make friends. And what about the Word of God saying not to be unequally yoked? How do you establish another is not ‘equal’ to enter a relationship with you unless we judge that they are not. The bible also says that we are to take the plank out of our own eye before we can remove the speck out of our brother’s eye. That involves judging… not that that person will go to hell, that is a heart issue and only God is capable of judging that. Faith WITH reason – study, not read, the Word of God, you’ll benefit from it a lot more.

      • Average Joe

        Jose Pujals,
        Well said, Thank you!

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

    • 45caliber

      Dorothy:

      If Oblama was trying to straight up the mess other Presidents had made, I’d support him. Unfortunately he is making even a bigger mess of things than any previous President has done without doing a thing to clean up things.

  • Jose Pujals

    Now THIS is a big F#%&!>+ deal (a-la-Biden’s own words at the signing of oBAMACARE). This is a big deal!! Praise God pastors are standing against the Godless stance this president is trying to push on Americans! That took a lot of courage and these pastors should be praised!! Let’s all get behind these men and women of God trying to save this country. Now, if only the conservative leadership in The House could show such courage under fire, just imagine what God could do for this country.

  • Pugmama

    As a white, middle class, self employed woman, I applaud loudly this dialog. We have all been taken for a ride by a man who is merely a cheesy actor. I don’t care what color, proclaimed political bent, or sexual orientation, we need a leader with solid character and values to guide us and be prodded by us – forward out of this hole we have dug for ourselves. I’m praying for your success!

  • http://PLD FRENCHIE

    O.K., ALL YOU WHACK-JOBS SCREAMING “HOMOPHOBIC”, LISTEN UP – BY THE VERY NATURE OF THE WORD, HOMOPHOBIC MEANS & DENOTES “A FEAR OF HOMOSEXUALS”. IT DOES NOT MEAN, OR DENOTE, A DISLIKE OF THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE. I’M QUITE SURE THAT THERE ARE VERY FEW (IF IN FACT, ANY) HERE WHO ARE AFRAID OF HOMOSEXUALS. WE SIMPLY DO NOT PRACTICE, OR AGREE, WITH THE LIFESTYLE. HOMOSEXUALITY IS CONDEMED BY GOD HIMSELF (REFER TO ROMANS: 1). WE OF CHRISTIAN FAITH THEREFORE MUST CONDEMN IT, AS IT GOES AGAINST THE TEACHINGS & WILL OF GOD. IT IS ALSO SICK, DEGENERATE, IMMORAL BEHAVIOR THAT WE DO NOT AGREE WITH, OR WISH TO HAVE OUR CHILDREN EXPOSED TO. IF YOU WANT TO “HOOT ON THE ROOT” OR “MUNCH THE CARPET” IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME, THEN IT’S A MATTER BETWEEN YOU & GOD. TRUST & BELIEVE, HE WILL HAVE HIS SAY ON THE MATTER IN THE END. I WOULDN’T WANT TO BE YOU WHEN HE’S DONE SPEAKING, EITHER !!! BUT ANYHOW, WHEN YOU PUBLICLY DISPLAY YOUR TWISTED AFFECTIONS, DON’T EXPECT US TO SILENTLY GO ALONG WITH YOUR SICK & PERVERTED BEHAVIOR, MUCH LESS CONDONE IT. YOU ARE AN ABOMINATION & WE DO NOT FEAR YOU ANY MORE THAN ANY OTHER DEPRAVED SEGMENT OF YOUR TWISTED “UTOPIAN SOCIETY”. THEREFORE, WE ARE NOT, BY DEFINITION, “HOMOPHOBIC”. WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOU. WE SIMPLY DON’T LIKE YOU, OR AGREE WITH & CONDONE YOUR UNGODLY, DISGUSTING “WAY OF LIFE”. GET IT STRAIGHT, MORONS !!!!!!!! ALSO, IT MAY BE WORTH MENTIONING THAT THE WORD “BIGOT” IS MORE COMMONLY TIED TO RACIAL PREDJUDICE. SO, LET’S TRY A LITTLE HARDER TO PAY CLOSER ATTENTION TO THE LANGUAGE WE’RE ALL SUPPOSED TO SPEAK FLUENTLY IN THIS COUNTRY, EH ? I SWEAR, IT’S LIKE HAVING A BATTLE OF WITS WITH UNARMED OPPONENTS. JEEZ… LIBTARDS, HUH ???

    • JON

      YOU ARE IGNORANT, UNEDUCATED, AND MISINFORMED REGARDS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! UNLESS YOU ARE A BIBLICAL SCHOLAR AND A LINGUISTICS EXPERT FOR EVERY LANGUAGE EVER SPOKEN, THEN YOUR ARGUMENT CARRIES ABSOLUTELY NO WEIGHT!

      OPEN YOU MIND AND LEARN FROM THE FOLLOWING::::::::::

      The word homosexual first appeared in the bible in 1946. This is a discussion of the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words, which some translators have interpreted as referring to homosexuality. You can follow the links to read each verse in several translations. Also use the links to read the chapter to appreciate the context of each verse.

      Gen. 19:5-8;
      The Hebrew verb which is commonly translated as “know” is ya,,da. It appears 943 times in the Hebrew Scriptures. In only about a dozen of these cases does it refers to sexual activity – all heterosexual. The Bible comments on Sodom in about 40 or so places. The “sin of Sodom” was that they were, arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. For rabbinic Judaism, Sodom was the cruel city that abused the poor and the outsider and not a hotbed of male male eroticism.

      Lev. 18:22; 20:13;
      Many Biblical scholars interpret these verses as referring to temple prostitution, which was a common practice in the Middle East at that time. They note that to’ebah, often translated “abomination”, is a religious term, usually reserved for use against instances of idolatry. If the writer(s) of Leviticus wished to refer to a moral violation, a sin, he would have used the Hebrew word zimah. The word “abomination” that we see in English translations of the Bible could better be translated “foreign religious cult practice.” The Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (circa 3rd century BCE) translated to’ebah into Greek as bdelygma, which meant ritual impurity.

      Deut. 23:17; 1 Kin. 14:24; 15:12; 22:46; 2 Kin. 23:7;
      The word qadesh in the original Hebrew text was mistranslated as “sodomite”. Quadesh literally means “holy one” and is here used to refer to a man who engages in ritual prostitution in a Pagan temple. The entire verse seems to condemn temple, ritual, prostitution, whether heterosexual or homosexual. It has nothing to say about gay or lesbian sex within either a casual or a committed relationship.

      Rom. 1:24,26,27;
      The Greek phrase para physin is commonly translated into the English word “unnatural”. In Greek, the phrase really means “that which is beyond the ordinary and usual.” “Unconventional” would have been a good word to use. Paul uses those very same words para physin to describe how God grafted the Gentiles into the olive tree that is the Jews. Romans 11:24 Now Jew and Gentile are one in Christ. But to graft a wild tree into a cultivated tree is not the ordinary thing to do; it is something unusual. Still, that is what God did through Christ. Paul uses the same two words, para physin 1 Corinthians 11:14, when he refers to long hair on men as unusual and not ordinary.

      1 Cor. 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:9,10.
      The original Greek text is malakoi arsenokoitai. In both Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25, malakoi is translated as “soft” (KJV) or as “fine” (NIV) in references to clothing. The meaning of arsenokoitai has been lost. Some sources in the early Church interpreted the phrase as referring to “temple prostitutes” – people who engaged in ritual sex in Pagan temples, others thought that it meant “masturbators”. Much Greek homosexual erotic literature has survived, none of it contains the word aresenokoitai

      • http://PLD FRENCHIE

        The word homosexual first appeared in the bible in 1946….ALTHOUGH I READ YOUR WHOLE RESPONSE, I DIDN’T NEED TO READ PAST THIS. TRY READING REVELATIONS 22:18-19, KINDA SAYS IT ALL. IF IT WASN’T MEANT TO SPECIFICALLY REFER TO HOMOSEXUALS, IT WOULDN’T BE IN THERE. OR SOMEBODY’S IN DEEP KIMCHEE FOR CHANGING IT AROUND. EITHER WAY, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN’T TRY TO TWIST THE WORD OF GOD TO JUSTIFY ABOMINATION THAT GOD IS CLEARLY AGAINST. I’M SURE THAT BEFORE 1946, IT WAS UNIVERSALLY INTERPRETED THAT GOD WAS CLEARLY AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY, AS IT WOULD GREATLY INTERFERE WITH THE SURVIVAL OF MANKIND. GAYS CAN’T REPRODUCE. GOD DIDN’T DESIGN US THAT WAY. THEREFORE, IT STANDS TO REASON THAT HE’S CLEARLY AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY, AS IT WOULD AFFORD HIM LESS LOVING SOULS & PROVIDE MORE SOULS FOR SATAN’S LITTLE BONFIRE. GOD DOESN’T WANT TO THROW PEOPLE INTO THE “LAKE OF FIRE”. THE OLD & NEW TESTAMENTS BOTH CLEARLY STATE THAT REPEATEDLY. HE WANTS US TO LOVE & OBEY HIM SO HE DOESN’T HAVE TO. BUT IT ALSO CLEARLY STATES THAT HE WILL, WITHOUT HESITATION, FOR FAILURE TO OBEY HIS WILL. HEY, I DIDN’T WRITE THE BOOK, SO DON’T BLAME ME OR CALL ME IGNORANT FOR BELIEVING IN HIS WORD. YOU ARE THE IGNORANT ONE FOR TWISTING WHAT HE SAID TO FIT YOUR OWN VIEWS. BUT THAT’S BETWEEN YOU & HIM. NOT MY FAULT OR PROBLEM THAT YOU’VE GOT IT ALL MESSED UP. I GUESS WE’LL FIND OUT WHO WAS RIGHT IN THE END, WON’T WE ?

      • 45caliber

        This is the third repeat of this post by you on this commentary. See my reply to the second one.

      • Ted Crawford

        Jon
        Bla, Bla, Bla Repeating the same Idiocy over and over will not , ever , render it wisdom ! But thank you for your contribution Comrade!

      • JON

        FRENCHY, Where does it say any about homosexuality?

        Revelation 22: 18 I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto them, God shall add unto him the plagues which are written in this book:

        Revelation 22: 19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

        I have not removed, added, nor twisting anything. I’ve studied many ancient biblical texts and learned how translations from language to language over thousands of years become misinterpreted. Some words don’t translate at all and a word gets substituted–not keeping the same meaning from the original person or text.

        What I presented earlier was of Biblical scholars and their findings over many decades of study. You have chosen to ridicule and scoff at their findings, while at the same time present yourself as someone who follows blindly, a particular mistranslated version of the Bible. You only take an arrogant and ignorant stance on the issue. You act like nothing more than the typical know-it-all who’s never wrong on anything, and has the last word on every subject! I feel sorry for you and your lost ways!

    • WILDFIRE

      Well stated, but remember, you are dealing mostly with the “Dumbed down” indoctrination of the past 20 some years of our liberal control public education system. So don’t expect to much from them in the sense of a battle of wits and rational. They had to invoke a grading curve in order to get a higher passing rate.

  • khash

    It is about time good folks quit blindly following idiots.

    • JON

      I agree!!!
      If you can come up with a formula for that and bottle it, you could make a fortune!

  • Rick

    Romans Chapter 1 explains clearly about Gods view on homosexuality
    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    • http://PLD FRENCHIE

      THANKS, RICK…MY POINT, ENTIRELY !!! WONDER WHAT JON WON’T UNDERSTAND ABOUT IT NOW ? OR HOW HE’LL TRY TO TWIST IT NEXT ? PRETTY CUT & DRY, IF YA ASK ME………..

      • JON

        I don’t believe YOUR interpretation of the Bible. I follow the teachings of Jesus: Love, compassion, tolerance–to name a few. Your beliefs don’t represent ANYTHING which is Christ-like that I have seen. You come from the place of judgment, condemnation, ridicule, and self-righteousness. From your own words you don’t seem to know the first thing about the definition of Christianity. I suggest you start studying Jesus, instead of twisted Dogma!

      • 45caliber

        JON:

        That isn’t Frenchie’s interputation of the Bible. It is a copy from the Bible.

    • 45caliber

      Rick:

      Verses 21 and 22 seem to fit JON completely, don’t they?

      • JON

        You don’t know me so you can’t know what fits me. Thanks for trying though! NEXT!

      • 45caliber

        JON:

        I’m going only by your posts here. I stand by the verses. Now, if you aren’t that way, prove it.

  • swampfox

    I’m a white southern born again,spirit baptized Christian,I’ll be praying for those men of god!
    We need to get this heathen kicked out from OUR whitehouse!
    Along with all the other libral traiterous scum,Jesus WILL hear us!

    • JON

      Your words don’t sound remotely Christian! You sound like nothing more than a self-righteous a$$. You’re using YOUR religion to justify your pathetic behavior!
      Come back when you ACTUALLY follow the teaching of JESUS so we know you’re acting CHRIST-LIKE. Buh Bye!!!

      • 45caliber

        JON:

        Check out the actions of Jesus when he cleansed the temple and tell me that he isn’t following the teachings of Jesus. One thing a lot of people today forget – Jesus is to be the judge at the end of times. And everyone who fails the test will end up in the wrong place. Jesus died to forgive our sins – but only if you honestly ask him to do it – and only if you follow … or at least TRY to follow … Jesus’ command to “go and sin no more.” To many people today feel that they will automatically be forgiven despite what sins they commit without asking or following Him. “He loves everyone so He loves me. And He will forgive me for what I do because He loves me!” Sorry, no.

      • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Linda

        you don’t sound much of a christian yourself, you sound like a Assssss, how dare you call anybody names for speaking the truth. Asssssss

      • Stewart

        Linda, please control yourself or you might get upset and pop a button on your size 25 pants that accommodates your expanding Asssssssss.

  • s c

    While I hate to admit it, Rev. Jesse might have been right when he accused Obummer of not being ‘black enough.’ Frankly, I don’t care about his ethnicity. He has NO character. He is NOT a LEADER. Finally, SOME folks GET IT. Obummer’s “stance” on marriage and what it is or isn’t is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg, people.
    Aside from the fact that people are finally seeing through Obummer’s MANY masks, it shouldn’t come as any surprise that Obummer seems to enjoy being a consummate HYPOCRITE. HOW can anyone be ‘black and proud’ when black babies are being slaughtered and sacrificed to Planned NonParenthood? That amounts to being PAID to killing black babies. Lives for MONEY. What character, eh?
    Weep, Amerika. You’re in chains and you don’t yet know it! More than ever, we need another Abe Lincoln to set us free AGAIN!

  • bobgood1

    All ministers of the Gospel are suppose to keep their flock on the straight , narrow, moral paths. You can quote scripture, and interpret it any way you want, to suit your purpose. The basic rules and commandments of the Bible are to be taught & emphisized by the church Leaders. The present ADM in DC is trying to divide this country any way it can, including the FAMILY unit. The ministers in this article are just living up to the tenets of the Bible. They are practicing their Religion, Not bashing one group. They have that RIGHT.

  • Palin16

    Gay marriage is NOT a civil right. Scientists have not isolated a “gay gene” and until they do, it is a choice. The gays proclaim they were “born that way” based not on scientific evidence, but on some silly song by lady Gaga. It is natural for young teens to feel awkward around members of the opposite sex but once they encounter their first taste of it, there’s no longer any awkwardness. When I was a young college student, a male friend (who had not yet come out of the closet) phoned me one day and asked if I’d like to get together with him that night. I told him sorry, I’m going to see my girlfriend tonight. He started whining and then flew into a rage and said “I guess you’d rather be with her than me.” I thought that was quite odd, until he revealed his true self a few years later. His attempt to recruit me into his perverted lifestyle failed. This guy also thought he was much more intelligent than any of our circle of friends. Too bad his supposed superior intellingence did not prevent him from engaging in risky behaviors and he died of AIDS at age 40.

    • JON

      STRAIGHT marriage is NOT a civil right. Scientists have not isolated a “STRAIGHT gene” and until they do, it is a choice. The STRAIGHTS proclaim they were “born that way” based not on scientific evidence, but on some silly song by lady Gaga.

      Just because YOU see it YOUR way doesn’t mean your right on the subject!

      • 45caliber

        And neither are you.

      • JON

        45caliber,
        Oh, so now you’re stocking me? I didn’t know your cared so much!

      • cawmun cents

        Eisegesis,and exegesis are two terms you may want to familiarize yourself with JON.
        That is the only way you can ever learn anything for what it is worth.
        When you deny the words of people who have been inspired by the Holy Spirit,and attach your own significant point of view to what they have written,it leaves little wonder to the extent of your confusion.
        The term”homosexual”may be new,but the action is as old as mankind and it is no less deviant now,than it was in the day in which the writers wrote of Gods condemnation of it.
        Of course in choosing to spin this,you are a mirocosm of the mindset that exists today.
        One that is contrary to the laws of God,and seeks to straighten out what he has made crooked.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

  • Palin16

    Chick-fil-A had their alltime biggest sales day yesterday! Thank you, Gov. Huckabee!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsJHqstPuNo

  • http://alsina846.wordpress.com Linda

    God Bless this Preacher and Chick-Fil-A, it about time we stood up and unite. This november I too will Vote this lying imposter dictatoir out of the WH

    • Palin16

      I agree Linda. I hope more African-Americans listen to this preacher. Obama has turned his back on black people and they are suffering the worst unemployment of any demographic group in the USA.

    • JON

      Better yet, let’s vote you out of the country to land of the lost and bigoted!
      Buh Bye!!!

  • swampfox

    A prayer for those in the bondage of Sodemy and perversion.
    *you have to mean this before the father and Jesus.

    Oh father god,I come before you right now as i am
    oh lord jesus I humble myself and come before you,
    I confess with my mouth that you are the son of god,
    you came to set the captives free and who you set free is free indeed.
    Right now I ask you Jesus to give me the grace and power to continue this
    Prayer in your name Jesus.
    (You may feel.demonic resistance,keep going!)
    Jesus I plead and LOOSE your blood over me right now!

    Father,I come before you in the name of Jesus Christ your son,
    Who shed his precious blood for me on the cross at calvary.
    father I confess my sins before you,
    I have sinned against you and myself,
    I repent of the sin of Sodemy and ask you to forgive me and deliver me
    from this bondage.
    for Jesus said if I confess my sins before you,you will forgive me and CLENSE me of them.
    oh LORD,I accept all the victory that Jesus gained for me on the cross and i loose and accept
    Jesus as my LORD and savior right now.
    I bring every demonic spirit that is operating in my life before you right now,
    And I take authority over them right now,
    IN THE NAME OF JESUS i proclaim deliverance right now,
    For greater is he that is in me than he who is in the world!
    Jesus,wash me clean,in my heart,body and make me.a.new creature.
    I repent oh lord and bring all curses which I have loosed on myself through the sin of perversion and Sodemy and give them to you Jesus and declare them null and void and declare them broken
    by the blood of Jesus.
    I renounce and.confess all associations that I have willingly participated in and break every soul
    tie right now.
    I give you my heart,soul and.mind totally right now,
    Jesus fill me with the HOLY SPIRIT,BABTIZE me in the HOLY ghost,fill every part.oh lord,every inward part lord.
    I thank you holy father for setting me.free,from all guilt,sin (confess what the precious holy spirit puts on your heart to bring before the LORD),demonic bondage,mental strongholds,
    occult activities,witch craft,familiar spirits.
    I praise you Jesus and give you glory.and proclaim and rejoice and humble myself and
    Declare with faith that you Jesus are my LORD now.and.forever,praise you Jesus!

    • Stewart

      SODOMY also includes oral sex as well, which millions of faithful married heterosexual couples enjoy experiencing in the privacy of their own bedroom. Is that whom you were addressing?

      • Ally

        I don’t know of one woman who likes giving oral sex or receiving it for that matter and I have plenty of woman friends.

      • Deerinwater

        Hmm? I’m not convinced that such a comment tells us more about you then it does women.

        All women are different, no two the same, while when it comes to passion, most enjoy being “taken”, it’s hard wiring coming into play.

        Then too, out of 30 women, only one will be 100% maturely functional and not carry phobias and fears brought on by some sort of traumatic personal history.

        But one thing is certain, you will never hear the truth by asking for it unless you have four years to spend learning the truth.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        THANK YOU, “Deerinwater,” “Ally” MADE AN UNBELIEVEABLE COMMENT.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “swampfox,”

      FIRST, I WANT TO SAY SIR, I RESPECT YOUR PRAYER; IT WAS NICELY PRESENTED.

      YET, I MUST TELL YOU, SIR, HOMOSEXUALS HAVE ABUNDANTLY MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPONTANEOUS SEX, THAN HETEROSEXUALS.

      A HOMOSEXUAL COULD PRAY THE PRAYER YOU WROTE (EXACTLY, AS WRITTEN); IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS, THAT HOMOSEXUAL COULD GET A “BOOTY CALL.” WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT HOMOSEXUAL WILL DO? – “STICK WITH THE Lord,” OR, “GO FOR THE GUSTO?”

      • swampfox

        I only put the truth out,what is done with it is not up to me,but to whomever receives it.
        Jesus WILL BE with them.
        but they CAN CHOOSE to Do whatever they want,
        IF they.are serious,Jesus WILL be there to help them.
        yes,Satan will immediately make a move to try and keep them out of the kingdom,that’s what he does.
        Jesus said flee,get away,resist in Faith!

  • Palin16

    Hooray!!! I love the story of the moron harrassing the waitress at Chick-fil-A and then getting fired in Tucson, AZ! Say bye bye to your paycheck, idiot! Hope you lose your home too! Now you are free to protest all day long like the occupiers. The waitress handled the situation perfectly. Give her a raise.

    • JeffH

      Even Better than that, the “Kiss-in” @ Chic-Fil-A was a dismal failure.

      • Stewart

        A dismal failure kind of like you

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “JeffH,”

        THOSE MALE HOMOSEXUALS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THOSE “KISS-INS” ARE LUCKY THEY WERE NOT SHOT-AT (OR, SHOT). I SAW AN ONLINE PHOTOGRAPH OF TWO MALES KISSING IN FRONT OF A Chick-fil-A PATIO FULL OF DINERS. THOSE DINERS HAD SOME VERY HATEFUL EXPRESSIONS ON THEIR FACES.

        SINCE THE “gay” COMMUNITY WAS DETERMINED TO HAVE THOSE SILLY STAGINGS, THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD “lesbian-” ONLY SIGHTINGS; AS LONG AS THE KISS IS NOT PROLONGED, OR, “FRENCH,” SOCIETY IS NOT SO UPSET WITH TWO FEMALES KISSING.

      • JeffH

        Mr. Horton says “THOSE MALE HOMOSEXUALS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THOSE “KISS-INS” ARE LUCKY THEY WERE NOT SHOT-AT (OR, SHOT)

        I disagree. Law abiding citizens don’t commit such crimes. Those “homosexual males” obviously gathered and displayed themselves at a “tolerant” place of business with “tolerant” customers. Some pictures I saw even showed them holding Chic-Fil-A bags and drinking from Chic-Fil-A cups, standing next to Chic-Fil-A customers that appeared to be minding there own business.

        I did drive by the Chic-Fil-A in Fresno where I live and there was a small group of protesters, maybe 5-6 outside…didn’t seem to affect business or traffic at all.

        I’d bet that most of the “homosexuals” that participated in the kiss-in weren’t as toleant as Chic-Fil-A and their customers.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “JeffH,”

      YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY POINT ON TWO LEVELS.

      FIRST, YOUR COMMENTS IMPLIED PEOPLE WHO BEHAVE IN A PARTICULAR PLACE, STILL BEHAVE AFTER LEAVING.

      SECOND, MANY RESTAURANT PATIOS CAN BE SEEN FROM THE STREET AND/OR PARKING LOT.

      I AM USED TO HEARING ABOUT SHOOTINGS WHICH ARE “DRIVE-BY.” INFORMATION ABOUT THESE “KISS-INS” WERE ONLINE DAYS BEFORE THEY TOOK PLACE. PEOPLE WHO HATE HOMOSEXUALS HAVE A “DEDICATED” HATRED – IN OTHER WORDS, PEOPLE WHO ATTACK HOMOSEXUALS OUT OF HATRED, TEND TO HAVE PLANNED THE ATTACK. A FANTASTIC EXAMPLE IS, PEOPLE WHO LOITER OUTSIDE OF A HOMOSEXUAL NIGHTCLUB, THEN, “gay-bash” A PATRON EXITING THE CLUB WHILE IN THE PARKING LOT. THEREFORE, IF A PERSON HATES HOMOSEXUALS AND “KEPT-UP” WITH ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING Chick-fil-A, THAT PERSON COULD HAVE:
      I). left home with a gun in the vehicle;
      II). went to Chick-fil-A and ate on the patio – while eating, this person saw a “kiss-in” staging; AND,
      III). after eating, sat in her/his vehicle waiting for the next “kiss-in” – THEN, TAKE A SHOT!

      SO, “JeffH,” IT IS NOT SO “FAR-FETCHED” SOMEONE COULD HAVE BEEN SHOT.

  • Deerinwater

    Well,~ most of us knew Obama was making a decision based on the merits of fairness and not “popularity”. I feel quite certain that “O” knew this as well and stood willing to take the “Hit”. Myself, I find it most untimely to spend the equity on just 4% of the population. Why not wait until the end of his second term to do such a thing?

    I’m left to believe there is powers in play that I can not see.

    So, ~ go for it! It’s clearly fair game and will cost him support.

    People that can’t adsorb and assimilate data have a personal problem with Homosexuality without it actually being personal or directly affecting them personally.

    This ability to pick and choose when to apply objective and subjective reasoning is not done deliberately but more of a knee jerk response to matters that “offend” the senses.

    That this anomaly of nature exist though out the animal kingdom and been with mankind since recorded history is offered no merit or consideration and still viewed by most people today as it was during biblical times. Most of us are not any brighter then we were 3 thousand years ago.

    One should not have to be a flaming fairy to see disparity and understand the implication of fairness and what is meant in terms of fairness.

    That you had little say in the matter of being heterosexual, it was not a “choice” that was required of you to make. So too is it with homosexuals, they are a victim of nature and then a victim of society. ( which explains their high suicide rate)

    “Numerous studies have shown that lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth have a higher rate of suicide attempts than do heterosexual youth. The Suicide Prevention Resource Center synthesized these studies and estimated that between 30 and 40% of LGB youth, depending on age and sex groups, have attempted suicide”

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Deerinwater,”

      “Gay” SUICIDES ONLY APPLY TO CAUCASIAN YOUTH; MANY CAUCASIAN PARENTS “KICK” THEIR HOMOSEXUAL CHILDREN OUT OF THE HOUSE. NOT BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH HOMELESSNESS CAUSES SOME TO TURN TO SUICIDE. MEMPHIS HAS A SAFEHOUSE FOR HOMOSEXUAL YOUTH WHO HAVE BEEN “KICKED-OUT” BY PARENTS (OR, “RAN AWAY”). BECAUSE OF THE ABILITY TO OBTAIN HIGH-SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS, MANY CAUCASIAN-HOMOSEXUAL YOUTH COMMIT SUICIDE OUT OF FEAR OF BEING AN EMBARASSMENT TO PARENTS IN THE LONG-TERM.

      “Deerinwater,” SINCE I MENTIONED RACE, I WANT TO TELL YOU WHILE IN COLLEGE – AT FOUR DIFFERENT UNIVERSITIES DURING THE 1980s – I WAS A MEMBER OF “Gay/Lesbian-” STUDENT UNIONS. A POPULAR ACTIVITY FOR THESE STUDENT UNIONS WAS [IS] PARTICIPATION ON DISCUSSION PANELS FOR COLLEGE-PSYCHOLOGY- AND SOCIOLOGY CLASSES. CLASSROOM STUDENTS ASKED US QUESTIONS ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL LIFE. A COMMON TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WAS SUICIDE AMONG YOUTH. PROFESSIONAL PSYCHO-SOCIOLOGICAL DATA INDICATED SUICIDE IS, PRIMARILY, A PROBLEM FOR CAUCASIAN-HOMOSEXUAL YOUTH. ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, Memphis Gay/Lesbian Community Center SPONSORED A FORUM ON YOUTH SUICIDE. EMPHASIS WAS PLACED ON THE CAUCASIAN COMMUNITY IN THIS REGARD.

      ON THE OTHER HAND, SUICIDE IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR NEGRO-HOMOSEXUAL YOUTH [THE SAME IS PROBABLY TRUE FOR HISPANICS]. IN THOSE RARE CASES IN WHICH NEGRO PARENTS KNOW ABOUT THEIR HOMOSEXUAL CHILDREN, THE PARENTS’ RESPONSE IS TO STRONGLY ENCOURAGE (AND, OFTEN FACILITATE) IMMEDIATE SEXUAL ACTIVITY WITH THE OPPOSITE GENDER. IN THIS REGARD, MANY NEGRO-HOMOSEXUAL BOYS HAVE FATHERED CHILDREN. [Although I have never seen a statistic, I think it would be interesting to find out how many adolescent and teenage Negro girls were impregnated by homosexual boys (who had their fathers' encouragement)].

      “Deerinwater,” YOU QUOTED, “…between 30 and 40% of LGB youth…have attempted suicide.” IN REFERENCE TO THE “B” [FOR, "bisexual"], IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT QUOTE. LOGIC WOULD DICTATE SUICIDE WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM FOR “bisexual” YOUTH DUE TO THEIR ABILITY TO ENJOY HOMOSEX IN SECRET – IN OTHER WORDS, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THEM TO HIDE FROM FAMILY AND SOCIETY.

  • swampfox

    Reading all these posts and responses,
    Just shows that we are in the last days,
    Jesus is coming soon,VERY soon!
    I can’t wait till meet my saviour in the air!
    All you who don’t know Jesus and mock and hold us Christians in derision or in for a
    serious rude awakening!
    cannot say you were not warned,woe unto you who mock god……

    • JON

      It doesn’t show we are in the last days just because of the comments people make. It says in the Bible no one knows the time except for God. It could be next week or a thousand years from now. We don’t know the mind of God, so we can’t accurately choose a time of Jesus’ return. We seem to mock one another a lot more than we ever do God. Human nature isn’t always a kind one, sadly.

      When we are uncivil the one another one here, we need to remember it’s a life lesson how not to be.

      Peace!

      • swampfox

        Not true,
        Jesus said we can discern the times and seasons and they will be for signs.
        Discernment comes from the HOLY SPIRIT who gives us spiritual insight and wisdom to discern the times and god through the HOLY SPIRIT will make us aware of the end time events as they progress towards gods prophetic plan.
        Some of these can be understood and seen from OUR own understanding as they obviously line up with gods prophetic timetable in a obvious way.
        Then there is the spiritual demension that can only be seen and discerned through the HOLY spirit.
        The LORD will let his servants sense and see what he sees to a certain extent and thus we have a solid sense of what’s going on as he reveals it to us.
        much of the stuff he shows us through the HOLY SPIRIT can be only discerned of and by the spirit as the HOLY SPIRIT reveals it to our spiritual man.
        The more of a intimate relationship you have to the father the more you know how thoughts.
        Also I have the gift of discernment of spirits and the LORD let’s me ‘see’ into the spiritual realm and i have developed a sharp sense as to what is going on,as it pertains to the lords prophetic plan and where we are at as pertains to spiritual things in general.
        This is all hard to explain here as this subject is a extensive bible study.and much time in gods presense in prayer and fellowship.and much interssessory prayer.

        Another anointed and called Christian will understand what i meant as the spirit bears witness to the spirit,
        but a non saved or unredeemed soul will not,matter of fact this will.not make one bit of sense to.a.in saved person.
        but yes I can see by the posts here what’s going on spiritually,that’s one of the main reasons I come here and the fact that i am a very patriotic person.
        Call me a kook whatever,I don’t care!
        I have seen angels,many demons,have seen demons talk through people,heard them.scream.as.they were cast out in the name of Jesus and wo on,I have seen stuff while in the deliverance field of ministry that is unneleivable,yet I saw it and was.part of it myself.
        say what you want,I KNOW god is real and Satan is real,I have seen and witnessed the effects of both.
        I have seen Jesus heal people first hand,brain tumors,cancer,effects of strokes,bondages broken,etc,etc.
        did’nt mean to preach here,I have been called.by him into spiritual warfare and deliverance ministry and have been serving him now for 24 1/2 yrs.
        So when I say I can ‘see’ he is coming soon and the rapture is soon,I am serious.

        I personally know several brothers.in.Christ who have had dreams and visions from the LORD.the rapture IS very soon coming!,they told me and the holy spirit verified it was truth.
        Anyway,mock me.all you want,they did the same to my LORD,
        he is lord and Jesus IS the only way to the father and he IS the way,the truth and the life!

  • Do not Respond

    this religious stuff is so disturbing. i am a grateful atheist with clear values and respect actually for all religions, all races…and more all of the animal kingdom. I am a firm believer in separation of church and state, as i feel all the religion being imposed on We the People is what is tearing this great country apart. LIVE & LET LIVE…and did your christ not preach Love Thy Neighbor. I wish all would practice what they preach, love a little more

    • JeffH

      “… i feel all the religion being imposed on We the People is what is tearing this great country apart.”

      Progressivism and Marxism is what’s tearing this country apart.

      What religion is being imposed on anybody? It ain’t happening. Nobody has ever forced or imposed any religion on me and I don’t believe that religion is being imposed on anyone else…the exception being within the relgious family structure.

  • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

    It’s amazing that so hateful and pervert comments of Jon & Stewart are not blocked by this Web.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Alondra,

      You are allowed to post your nonsense. Why shouldn’t JON and Stewart not be afforded the same opportunity?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • JON

      Alondra, as Mick Jagger said “You can’t always get what you want”.
      And what constitutes hateful and pervert in my comments? Please explain.

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