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At 100 days Obama gets mixed reviews

May 1, 2009 by  

At 100 days Obama gets mixed reviewsAs the new president marks 100 days in office, critics and supporters are fiercely debating the merits of his policies.

Barack Obama has been praised by some commentators for his dynamic tackling of the ongoing economic crisis, closing the Guantanamo Bay prison, setting clear goals for Iraq and Afghanistan and for stressing the need to develop a new energy policy.

The president’s foreign policy has also received high marks, in particular for his efforts to reach out to leaders with whom previous administrations refused to talk.

However, criticism of Obama has also been vocal and, in some cases, focused on the same issues as those singled out by his supporters.

The economic stimulus package and the recently passed $3.4 trillion budget, as well as the proposed healthcare reform, have been blasted by the critics as marking the largest expansion of federal government in decades.

It is also setting the stage for a crushing debt which will be inherited by future generations, they say.

Conservatives are also increasingly worried about what appears to be an erosion of the system of checks and balances in Washington.

In particular, the recent move by Pennsylvania senior senator, Arlen Specter, to join the Democratic Party has brought the latter a step closer to the filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

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  • s c

    The next magic trick for our dear “leaders” is to destroy the Supreme Court (force America to love being braindead and without a Constitution).
    Supposedly, EMPATHY, INTELLIGENCE and INDEPENDENCE are key qualifications for the new appointee. No doubt, these “leaders” have not a clue as to what empathy, intelligence and independence mean. When Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao are role models for a nation’s “leaders,” a crystal ball isn’t needed to see what’s coming. That progressive, pig sty stench of transparency and change are headed our way again. Hang on, America!

    • thinker

      Chill…. you’re way over-reacting. I really wish that all you freaked out, meth-headed, right-wingers would have to put up $100 for every outlandish prediction you make. I’d give it all back at a 100 times multiple if any were to come true. You’re craaazy man.

      • Duane

        Freaked out, meth-headed, right winger???? Excuse me, I’m 63 years old, never done drugs, quit smokeing in 1963 and have had only 1 beer in 10 years. It is you liberals who are strung out on illiegal drugs and booze and cigarettes. I’m a born again Christian, have been for over 40 years, and I know the truth about where our country is going and it is not even pretty. The trouble with you liberals is this, you didn’t bother to ask mr. obamie what change he was talking about. The change he was talking about, is the chains that he is going to put on you because he wants you to worship him, a man. I think I’d rather worship the true living God, who lives all the time. Obamie is limited on long he will live, and the same goes for you and me. Sevenly years is the max that we will live here on earth, I’d rather live for ever in heaven with Jesus Christ as my Saviour.. Think again mr. thinker

        • thinker

          You’ve been conned. Your god is your opiate. I feel sorry that you would spend your life as a toady to a false god. Put up your $100.

          Seems to me your definition of a liberal is someone who seeks truth instead of having rhetoric shoved down their throats.

        • http://brendainky Brenda

          Don’t worry Duane , Thinker he is not, by his response he just proved what he is.

        • Jerri jeffres

          All I can say is AMEN!

        • Rebecca

          Right on! These liberals are going to destroy this country. Then they will go home
          with their millions and laugh all the way to the bank.

          I don’t think Obama has done anything yet to make us trust him. He is unwilling to
          discuss his origin of birth. WHY? If he truly was a naturalized citizen, he would present his birth certificate willingly like every other Presidential candidate. Now I read where by his own acclaim when applying to Columbia Univ. , he declared himself a citizen
          of Indonesia. Does that not worry anyone.

          His association with misfits continue in Washington like it had in Chicago. Look at his chooses for his Cabinet. Disgrace. Except for H. Clinton, all outsiders who are naive and also appear that they are not up to doing the job. Look at his choice for Press Secretary. He is a joke! Geitner & Napolitano are no better. His Attorney General is wasting his time on trying to support the destruction of our previous President. What other Admininistration has ever done that to a previous one regardless of party affliliation. Obama is weakening our foreign policy and presence around the world.
          He is American’s primo uno advocate of abortion including late term. He should be ashamed of himself as a father of two children. After all the Bushes did for him and his wife to create the smoothest transition in history, he has no class nor shame in how he continues to basterize his name and reputation.

          The only change America wanted was personnel. No one asked him to destroy our foundation and laugh at our values and principles. Saying we are a nation of citizens. DA…isn’t every nation. That is not what distinguishes America from other countries.
          We are one nation under GOD. Yes…under God….founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Not Muslim, not Buddahist, Hindu and any other religion. Don’t like,,,,leave.

          The liberals will malign anyone who don’t agree with them. They also have their
          hands out for everything. Maybe the country will have to become bankrupt before
          anyone pays attention to their real greed and hunger for power. I am hoping all the radicals will get voted out of office next year. It is our only hope.

        • Concerned

          Was ANYONE listening to the campaign? McCain and Palin told everyone this would happen! Obama spent about one million tax payer dollars for everyday that he was in the senate. He just has more access to the money! America put the kid in the candy store and said have at it! Obama voters wanted a “change” was this it? America hired the same people who broke the system (e.g. Dodd, Pelosi, Frank) to fix it! No one talks about Raila Odgina (Obama’s cousin) in Kenya. He campaigned as a “change agent,” sound familiar? He was accused of voter fraud. Sounds similar to Acorn? Obama spent tax dollars to visit Odinga and help his cause. Obama’s only foreign policy achievement to date resulted in massive Muslim-led ethnic cleansing that murdered hundreds of Christians in Western Kenya in the post-election violence of his cousin Raila Odinga’s failed 2007 bid for the Kenyan presidency. Buckle up America, were in for a bumpy ride.

        • http://amateen@insight.rr.com ITAV

          born again! please, come real close put your nose right on the computer screen, god told me to tell you that your heart is cold and you did not spell Obama’s last name correctly. you may be 63 years of age but you sound like you are about 16, you did not get the person you wanted to be president so you cry and moan about it. do not worry you can change your own diaper now. Oh by the way the angel of death said do not worry you will not see the election of 2012

        • Carolyn

          Don’t waste your effort Duane. This is clearly another case of brainwashing gone wrong and there’s nothing you can say to undo the damage…

      • sinecureseeker

        barry soetoro: is thinker your screen name, because you seem to be the ONLY one on here of your particular opinion? ill take your bet and make it $1000 on my end, but only after you show me your birth certificate. the real one. i will be awaiting the loss of all rights under the non-constitution you will be trying to get passed, which will probably work inasmuch as the supreme court has already been compromised via a closed door meeting over the birth cert cases brought before them WITHOUT THE OPPOSITION BEING PRESENT. so, i am wondering, how is your russian, arabic and chinese language training going? i already have two of the three down pat. just let me know who you will be selling us out to, oh i forgot, it will be the arabs, your MUSLIM brothers…. thanks for usurping the usa as we know it… but when do i get my bet money from you….oh wait WE DONT HAVE ANY MONEY. WE ARE BANKRUPT. so add that one to the list of lies… unless of course you can give me ONE example of a promise KEPT to date… hmmmmm. awful quiet now, isnt it.

        • thinker

          Wow. There’s a lot of strong feelings here and just a mite bit of paranoia. Really hung up on the birth certificate thing aren’t you. As for the rest of your diatribe…. was it meant to say that Russians, Arabs and Chinese are bad or that they are going to take us over or that they’re going to steal our money and rape our womenfolk…. I mean really, what was the purpose of saying that? I have no idea as well why you think I’m “selling you out” and I think you’re trying to insult me by saying Muslim brothers (it might be an insult if I was at a Clan meeting or Aryan Brotherhood, but come-on this is mainstream – we really don’t need that kind of fear mongering here. State your real arguments and fears and have a healthy discussion about what you feel is right. Back that up with facts and perhaps others will think you intelligent.

          As for promises kept to date
          1) shut down guantanamo
          2) re-open stem cell research
          3) start getting out of IRAQ
          4) refocus efforts on Afghanistan

      • Mike1968

        Thinker – please return to your front porch immediately and pour yourself yet another liberal dose of government supplied oBUMa brand kool-aid. Then sit back on your lawn chair and wait for the mailman to deliver your next welfare (ahh, sorry, forgot the new terminology for a minute – should have said your next “redistribution of wealth” check)

        By the way, in your case the title liberal “Thinker” is an oxymoron. Wait a minute, I stand corrected – liberal thinker is always oxymoronic.

        • Howard

          Mike- You have got Thinker pretty well defined… Good Work, Keeep it UUUPPPP. They will NEVER UNDERSTAND..

        • thinker

          Mike , Howard

          Your replies are sooooo witty and clever. Perhaps you’d like to take the next grade up in classes for name-calling. I’d be careful saying too much … the landlady at your trailer park might hear you and hit you up for the rent money. cue banjo music now for all the hillbillies out here. I’m glad you’re keeping it in the family, cause we wouldn’t want the pox to spread beyond your cousins.

          • Earlw

            Isn’t it funny how liberals always resort to ad hominem attacks, when they can’t make a real point? Sorry mr. thinker, I don’t fit any of your descriptives other than being 65…Not overly religious,not wealthy, not a rightwingwer, If anything, an Indepedent voter,and Libertarion as in LIBERTY, which if you pursue to it’s logical end… well, you will find you are sorely lacking some of it….

            My dearly departed father had a saying or two:IGNORANCE IS BLISS and YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER BUT CAN’T MAKE HIM DRINK. BUT! YOU CAN MAKE HIM WISH HE HAD!!

            GOOD LUCK WITH YOU LIBERAL PLANS………….sucker!!!!!!!

          • Dale

            Thinker,
            Intelligence is a good thing and you are intelligent but intelligence is not the only thing – wisdom is essential! If your intelligence is focused on propping your beliefs then it is wasted. If your intelligence comes from your beliefs then if those beliefs are firm and true then no one can shake them and you don’t need to defend truth – real truth (vs false)stands on its own whether you agree with it or not – it will stand far past your lifetime or mine. However, real truth can be ignored, bypassed for awhile, even despised but it does not change because people want it to. If you have to attack anyone that disagrees with you then you are not that stable, just a little wisdom.

        • http://amateen@insight.rr.com ITAV

          you are such a baby i will be by later to change your diaper and fix you a bottle of warm condi rice milk followed by a relaxing 60 minutes of waterboarding by cheney in a thong.

        • Carolyn

          That’s the best laugh I’ve had all day. Thank you! :)

        • Dale

          The challenge is that Thinker may think but only thinks what he wants to and how he wants to and does not realize the rut his brain is in. Anytime people lock other people out in their brains so much that they create their own little world they have ceased to think and are running the same thoughts around in a circle endlessly. In other words they think that they are so right that they do not hear anything but what they want to hear.
          As a Christian, I see how everyone thinks but make the choice to seek truth more than convenience – to love others more than focus on self – to listen to people that disagree with me or are critical of me constructively (if there is any truth there accept it and otherwise place it in the trash can) – to look for the best in others rather than the worse – to reason with people to help them rather than condemn them.
          I believe in being “open minded” and “teachable” rather than go around talking about how everyone else is so close minded that disagrees with me and how open minded that I am (while in a rut traveling in a circle). I find that real truth will stand on its own weight and merit – you have to struggle and fight to support false truths (a contradiction in terms but what some call truth is a lie).

          Anyone who broadcasts how “OPEN MINDED” that they are while condemning everyone who disagrees with they is “CLOSE MINDED” and narrow thinkers! Just like other Socialist Liberal jibberish they call right wrong and wrong right and can only feel good about themselves by criticizing others. State the opposite of what is and create their own false reality.

      • 13th Gen. American

        Why is anyone even giving “thinker” a comment? Its like trying to have an intelligent conversation with a cat. No matter what you say he will still be sitting there licking his butt, thinking he is the most wonderful creature in the room .A liberal wackjob. These are the people who got us into this mess. I told my daughter if you ever meet one on the street and they start spewing their stupidity just dont make eye contact. Walk away v e r y slowly. Make an excuse to get out of there because they are all crazy and could snap and start foaming at the mouth if they find out your opinion is different then theirs. And just in case stupidity is contagious wash your hands if you touch them. I do think thinker is taking some of those “Chill Pills” his self so he might be influenced by the voices in his head and you know they voted for Obama too.

        • thinker

          That’s not bad General… you might want to keep her out of high school too just in case she gets some of that higher learning stuff. You don’t want to get her too educated now, she might just question you.

      • Chevy

        How can you be so naive? Have you not looked at what he and his administration has already done? On top of it all why do you think he has already spent in excess of a million dollars defending his so called citizenship? We have another Hitler in our presence. Look at how Hitler did it and see if you can see a resemblance. First was taking over the banks. Open your eyes!

        • thinker

          Let me see if I’ve got this straight – We get rid of a president who espouses torture and throwing away equality between races and religion and the guy who replaces him is compared to Hitler. Man, I like your logic. Smoke another one.

          You guys are so much fun.

        • 13th Gen. American

          I think this guy must be living in lala land by his thought process. If you notice his verbage includes pills, smokein’ and the such. So his brain is already fried and easily manipulated by the libs. My daughter however is 26 and educated at a university. She has her own mind and therefore wasnt brainwashed by the liberal professors who dont teach but preach their garbage and brainwash the young masses. I like how he is so concerned over torture of those who want to kill all Americans including him. Our men and women have given their life in this country for hundreds of years so we can have free speech. Even the garbage the libs spew. I could care less coz they are entitled to whatever opinion someone else tells them but THEY are the ones that want our voice taken away. So I hope his kind keep commenting on these sites. It just proves to everyone else who reads them just how moronic they are.

      • TED

        GO POUND SAND WHILE I LOAD MY S&W COMMIE. YOU HIPPIE BASTARDS NEED TO READ! FUSO.

      • Jerry

        You must not do much thinking for yourself thinker

        • Dale

          He does think but is a broken record that keeps replaying and replaying. The record is the Socialist rule book and he just can’t get his brain out of the rut!!!

      • Earlw

        Meth-headed right wingers??? What have YOU been smokin’? Right wingers don’t smoke meth!! More like a beer or a shot of JD or ?

        Most “right-wingers” are religious right,etc….

        • Dale

          There are 4 classes of people in America. The traditional liberal, the traditional conservative, and the traditional moderate – American’s all who differ very slightly from each other and love one another. These are like a coin, closely melted together, with heads,tails,and in-between. Our belief system is analog and not digital. Depending upon the subject discussed one may be postured somewhere between traditional liberal and traditional conservative. REASONING together, each influences the other!!
          THEN there is the Social Liberal whose mind is so narrowly focused on the Communist Manifesto – seeking power and control – that their belief system is located somewhere in outer space. To them – anyone who disagrees with them is a RIGHT WINGER! There is no REASONING with this group because they are correct and everyone that slightly disagrees with them is not only incorrect but the others are hate mongers, homophobes, etc. etc. Talk about narrow thinking!!!

  • Kathryn

    Lets be clear, George Saros, funds the liberal agenda, the liberal congress pushes legislation that will keep the We the People, The United State Citizens victims, so that they will grow increasingly dependent of the government. This insures the reelection so they can sit on their thrones and dictate the laws of the land to the slaves, that keep them living high off the hogs, known as the We the people. But the people are catching on- so they now have to keep the boarders open, to insure the next generation of democratic voters, They care not for this country, nor its constitution, for they are greed filled and lustful of their own desires, they are the corrupt and many conservatives are giving in to these evil deeds.

    • Patricia korz

      I agree 100% with Kathryn on what she said !…………………….. …Obama is out of his mind and we need to stand united ! this country is going the wrong way fast ! I have not seen any new jobs , I have seen them go away and keep going away ! If our goverment has the kind of money they can give away like they have over the the last few months then they could give it to the people who gave it to them in the first place and let them spend it on what they need to feed there familyand put a roof over there head , because after all it is the tax payers money !!!!!!!

    • thinker

      Yeah… you’re a victim…. and there’s all these conspiracies and agendas working against you…. Check yourself in for a paranoia test. You’re way overthinking it and stressing out the very limited brain cells you might have. The biggest problem to any society is the fact that 50% fall below 100 IQ. You’re all so easily led astray by conspiracy theories and “us versus them” arguments. Take a pill and chill. None of you have anything worth adding to the solutions for the current economic situation.

      • Duane

        Hey thinker, think on this. You can never spend your self out of debt, and that is what obamie is trying to do. It will not work. IT is the same as going to the grocery store with 10 dollars and trying to bring home 20 dollars worth of groceries, it won’t work, the store won’t let you. Our grandchildren and great grandchildren are already broke and they aren’t even born yet, what a sorry state of affairs. You can’t borrow from the future. THere is only one way to turn this around and that is to get rid of agencies that we don’t need, cut taxes to 5% of your income, so that the taxpayer keeps 95% of what he makes and then and only then will this economy turn around!! You can’t do it by what mr.obamie is trying to do, it will lead to a GREAT DEPRESSION, wait and see.

        • thinker

          Duane, I’m happy that you’ve passed Home Budgeting 101. Now if you’d like to apply those same principles to macro-economic policy making, the fact of the matter is that no Western country has ever been out of debt. National debt rises and falls. When Clinton left office, the US was in a surplus situation and George Bush did everything he could to kill the economy, so much that the deficit in the last few years was the highest it had ever been as a %age of GDP. The current policies are a way out.

          • Earlw

            I usually don’t bother with thickheaded but determined liberals this mant times in a day, but i had to clear one thing up!

            Mr Smart guy intellectual just shot his foot off!

            The national DEBT is the accumulated debt borrowed from the Federal reserve, and the bond sales by the treasury to others, which must be repaid. The DEFICIT is not the same thing! Clinton was known for balancing the BUDGET during his term in office

            I won’t EVEN bring up all the other skeletons in his closet…

            One thing you libs need to learn…LENIN had a name for people like you……..USEFUL IDIOTS!

      • Howard

        Sure we do… Kick all of the Democratic Candidates in the ass and throw them under the bus. They hate American Values, could not stand being in power for a while, and now that they are, they are self distructing and also trying to make America a Socialist republic. If you think that is great, we will take up an offering and send your ass to Cuba or Venezuela to cavort with the communistic jerk down there…. Rave on brother, hell ain’t half full yet…

      • Hello

        How about stop spending so much! So far, things are going great, home foreclosures are up, unemployment is up, dollar is down, recession is bordering on depression, taxes are going up, income is going down, babies are being killed, Muslims are chopping off the heads of wives they want to divorce, God is being legislated out of existence, enemies are laughing at us and plotting the next attack, Iran is making Nukes and the Taliban is about to take some away from Pakistan, but those 4 promises, way to go…this economy belongs to Obama and the Liberal congress and he will go down for it. We are patient, he obviously is not.

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    This is where duly elected idiots got the idea to silence us

    • thinker

      So you want respect for your ideas and then you call your politicians “elected idiots”. I’m not usually one for agreeing with decisions made by governments, but I’m even less inclined to discuss with hypocrites that can’t try to understand all sides.

      • http://carla.taylor@okdhs.org Carla

        Then you should be listening to the other side and not bashing everyone. Every thing you have said is full of anger and hate. Listen to what you are saying. You are one sided.

        • thinker

          Carla, I’m more than happy to listen to a real argument, right or left, make one. But posting rhetoric, hatred and bigotry do not make an argument. All I’ve heard so far is bashing and fear-mongering. Nobody has posted a decent argument saying that Obama’s closing of Guantanamo will empower more terrorist strikes against the US or that his efforts to curb CIA torture will strip us of tools to protect the country or that his rescission of the prohibition on research using stem-cell cells will let us slide down an ethical slope.

          No, nobody makes those arguments…. they prefer to say “He’s Muslim” or “He’s mullato” or “the great Satan is in the White House” … At least make an intelligent statement occasionally.

      • Howard

        You said it Thinker, Absolute Idiots in DC….

  • SB

    Obama’s a self proclaimed Muslim, clearly not an American citizen, as he refuses to produce a birth certificate (wonder why?), he and his wife have made their contempt for America clear, he boasted of being the World leader, we all know who he hangs around with…. and the American voters knew all this before the election yet voted for him anyway. What did we expect with a democratic president like that and and all but majority democrat every where else?

    We’re doomed and not at all likely to get democrats out of Washington at this pint; they’ve stacked everything in their favor.

    • thinker

      Your mother’s biggest mistake was being talked out of an abortion.

      • Rose

        You are beyond rude and arrogant. Go Away!!! If you can’t be civil then just disappear. Beside, you don’t really make good sense.

        • thinker

          Sorry for my rudeness and arrogance. As far as sense goes, I’m not the one acting out unreasonable fears, merely responding to those of lower intelligence that have been led astray. I’m not sure what argument you dont like, but I personally don’t like fear-mongering by grocery store baggers pretending to be economists. You talk about civility on the one hand and support racist bigots that would label people according to religion or race as if that mattered. Your intelligence is showing.

          • Earlw

            Grocery store baggers??? Lower intelligence?? This guy has got to be a liberal college prof. You fail again by presuming all the commenters are inferior….Case in point…My IQ is WELL over 100. I have simply lived enough of life on both sides of the fence to know the truth…Yeah, I used to be a hippy and a liberal, till i figured it out!!! No redneck here, but I CAN fit in there if I need to…Can you??

      • http://carla.taylor@okdhs.org Carla

        Judging? That was just rude and people are not going to listen to you. Go away.

        • thinker

          Carla – you’re right. Most people on this board will only listen to half baked arguments from racist bigots.

    • thinker

      Your mother’s biggest mistake was being talked out of an abortion. Now we all have to suffer your racist and myopic opinions which you will no doubt pass on to your own progeny.

      • KC

        @Thinker – The only think you’ve managed to postulate is hate and bigotry, displaying the perfect example of the hypocrisy that you’ve accused others here of exhibiting. You’re quite adept at the ‘Rules for Radicals’, which is usually the case with Progressives who are short on substance of thought and need to marginalize, control the focus and define the terms of the conversation. It’s empty, witless, and classic PC. Bravo!

      • MOMSRIGHT

        I find your comment astonishing! People like you seem to have an elevated opinion of yourself! No wonder you like Obama so much! You fit right in with his arrogant elitist view of others!…….Since you are so inteligent I don’t need to point out to you that many of the worlds greatest contributors were not formally educated or dropped out of school at various levels! Check out great names like Abraham Linclon, Albert Einstien, Thomas Edison and countless others!………… The thing with you liberals is that you really don’t celebrate diversity! You want everyone to be like you, think like you, and respond as you do! Now that is really Myopic! You all want to play God! Say who deserves to live or die! Yet you don’t even have enough intelligence to see idiotic your name calling and debasing of others sounds! There is a great chasm between intelligence and wisdom! I fear you must have fallen into it!……..I know all you lefties would like to abort the conservative population! How sad, you think human potential and contribution comes rapped up in a college diploma! However, it is to be expected from such a small minded ideaology! I guess we conservatives must endure your lack of wisdom and good manners it seems! {Your Comment is the true face of evil!}

        • thinker

          You seem to ascribe a number of beliefs to me which are not in evidence from my comments. I don’t believe any of my comments talked about formal education (except with respect to economics where I suggested someone study it) Both Einstein and Edison were scientists, or inventor in the latter case, and I don’t believe either held anti-muslim views, although I’m not sure it would matter. You say I don’t celibrate diversity. Pardon me, you actually say that “liberals” don’t celibrate diversity. Why do you have a desire to call an anti bigot a liberal. Does that mean that all non-liberals are bigots and racists. Do you mean that “liberal” is a bad thing. Are you referring to a political liberal or an economic liberal. Do you actually know what a liberal is?

          Where does I say I want to play God? or who lives or dies… My but you have a vivid imagination. As for my “debasement” of others, I have only offered my opinion of their own hate filled fearmongering and bashing.

          Yes you’re such a well mannered conservative, supporting racist bigotry, but I suspect you have a smile when you do it. :)

          You also called me a “leftie” with a small minded ideology….. Ummmm. I don’t think I said I was to the left of center and fail to see how my own politics could be small – minded. love to hear you assessment.

        • Earlw

          I believe they call that NARCISSISM….a Psychiatrist recently posted an article that described Mr Obama a a pathological narcissist. Seems it had something to do with a disjointed childhood and lack of father figure at points and then a change of fathers, not to mention Mommy dying at 53, and the different environments he grew up in. sounds plausible to me……..However, it is what it is!

    • Howard

      what else would you expect of the Demos and their Organizer….. They are running their True Colors. Just remember that America in 2010 and 2012…..

    • Concerned

      Michelle Obama has outwardly stated she was proud of her country for the FIRST time when her husband was nominated to be president. I guess she is twice proud since he is now the president. Obama went to another country to say that we here in America were arrogant, dismissive and even derisive? Wow, I think that says it all.

  • dianeremarx

    I’m very concerned that America is going the way of Europe. Silencing freedom of speech, stifling creativity and growing government involvement in too much of our lives. Obama has threatened people on Wall Street to break their contracts and bend to his will. Doesn’t he realize that many Americans work on Wall Street – or used to. If Bush had done this there would have been calls for impeachment. Obama has not gotten us out of Iraq and has stepped up the war in Afghanistan. Obama has weakened the CIA and military just has Clinton had done. I’m very worried about where Obama is taking this country.

    • thinker

      Americans gave up all their rights and freedoms under George Bush so easily. IT was the easiest sacrifice because a few thousand died in two towers. Over 200 million people then decided that they would rather be “safe” than “free” In the end you get neither.

      I wouldn’t be too concerned about losing more rights and freedoms… seems like Obama’s been adding them back, not taking them away. He’s provided more focus for what’s going on militarily and has replenished the cup of morality.

      • Howard

        Hey thinker, you should Thank Mr. Bush for keeping us safe from another Radical attack… Could have saved your confused ass.

      • Concerned Republican

        I cant believe you’ve just belittled 9/11. A few thousand people in two towers? Is that really how you want to put it? You really have no clue about how many terrorist attacks agencies like the CIA have stopped. Do you know what happened to those terrorists? They went to Gitmo, and now that your “messiah” has closed it down they are all free to try to kill us again.

        • thinker

          As I said you’re neither free nor safe. And as for the Gitmo, the vast majority of “terrorists” held there were foreign combatants from Afghanistan and Iraq. Not people accused of fomenting a new terrorist attack on US soil but those actually fighting a supposed war with us over foreign soil. We used to call that Prisoners of War. No I’m not trying to stand up for them, and it’s a whole lot more complicated given that we’re not fighting a sovereign government, but nowhere in our history do we justify torture of prisoners. The other sides might do it and make it real hard for us to continue justifying our own moral high ground, but that is the only tack we can take if we want our society to mean anything and survive in the long run. In the short run it has costs but when was freedom ever without cost.

          And we spent hundreds of billions of dollars building up our Homeland Security and tearing down the entire base of freedom upon which we were founded. Every man and woman that died in those towers was a tragic circumstance but should not be used as an excuse to subjugate ourselves to the state security apparatus or to change our basic values of freedom and equality for all.

  • Robin from Indiana

    I find it hard to believe that so many people still think he is the messiah…. I hope we either see the Republican party get back to the right where they should be, or a very strong 3 party emerges before the next election. The Democrats stay to the far left; the Republicans are more in the middle than I feel comfortable with. We have to have set party lines. We need a revolution, and I believe with all my heart that it is coming. I would rather have seen Hillary as President than Obama. So many people wanted to be a part of making history, so they were led to elect him. What so many people forget is that he is as much white as he is black. He is a mulatto. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t admit eventually that he is a Muslim…

    • thinker

      You have no idea what left wing is. Your democratic party is generally very slightly right of center. The republican party has been there before as well but moved so far right that they lost the interest of the middle. You should spend some time taking a doctorate in international economics before you comment on what you don’t understand. Why are Americans so worried about race and religion. Even if he does come out as a Muslim (which I’m certain he’s not), who the f@#$ cares. It’s the same freaking god that you evangelical Christians bow down to.

      • Robin from Indiana

        Wow… I must have struck a nerve with you… Are you Muslim or Black? And I guess you think you have a better understanding of what is going on in our beloved United States than I do. My father fought in 4 major theatres in WWII. His patriotic duty was to the the United States and all our rights that we have. Your opinion is no less than mine. We are entitled to speak our minds. You don’t have to agree with me; my father made sure you could voice your opinion. If you don’t believe in God, there is a day coming when you will. By the way, I am not Democrat anymore…. used to be, but I figured it out that I prefer to stand with a party that is more to my convictions.

        • thinker

          Seems to me that Obamas been the one replacing the rights that were taken away by George Bush. Your father fought for rights and freedom, how easily you’d hand them all away.

      • KC

        Don’t you just love it when a Progressive tries to define for us exactly what the Republican party stands for, how it has moved, and where it is headed in their opinion? Your Alinsky slip is showing.

      • MOMSRIGHT

        Thinker, You are incorrect!……..allah is NOT the same God as Jesus! allah is a god of punishment not THE ONE AND ONLY GOD OF LOVE! JESUS CHRIST who died for the sins of the whole world! Jesus offerers forgiveness and eternal life for those who come to him! allah punishes his people on his own whim! Read the Koran! Some day you and all the world will give an account to the one and only God!

        • thinker

          It’s funny how revisionism has even crept into evangelical American Christianity. I think I recall from Sunday School the Jesus was the Son of God, not God himself. Has that changed?

        • MOMSRIGHT

          Dearest Thinker………..Everytime you open your mouth you betray your ignorance……John 1

          The Word Became Flesh

          1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
          3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.

          Isaiah 9:6
          For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. If you own a Bible I would suggest you read Isaiah 53.

          Very fundamental christian teachings say that the three persons of the God head Father, Son, and Holy Ghost exist as one. I would say your Sunday school teacher let you down!……..Not to worry however, unlike allah Jesus is merciful! That means even you can be forgiven! That my friend is certainly something to celebrate!

      • Howard

        Yes Thinker, you are right. We do worship the living God….. Be careful how to attack Jesus. They tell me Hell is Hot this time of year, and also later..

  • Sami

    The Lame Stream Media is pushing Obama’s agenda…They all live in a bubble and only talk with one another, therefore never hearing from true America. Voice to others not to be taken in by NBC, MSNBC, etc. They are promoting Obama’s agenda, and corruption is lurking with General Electric/NBCs pushing and fictional reporting.

    BAN THE LAME STREAM MEDIA

    • thinker

      Wow. You really put a lot of thought into that. Take a pill.

      • KC

        I’m sure you could recommend one. Which is your pill of choice? And how many of them did you have to take to become the reason and logic impotent you are today? Perhaps they should put that as a warning on the bottle…or do you have your pusher on speed dial?

        • thinker

          LOL. I haven’t heard the term “pusher” since the 70′s. That brings back memories. Perhaps instead of excoriating on my character with baseless accusations, you’d prefer to instruct me on the impotence of my logic and where it has failed. What argument are you referring to?

      • Howard

        if you haven’t figured out the media and who OWNS them, you have missed the boat by a million miles….. Do you really dislike America that much..??

  • Diana Hardy

    I have been around a long time and what is now going on in the US scares me. It reminds me of stories in our high school history classes, stories of dictators in Europe. What is coming down from Washington is NOT a representation of WE THE PEOPLE. The liberal media now controls predominately what side we hear and see the “news”. And….if Washington wants to be transparent, where is Obama’s birth certificate? Why is this such a mystery….I can present my birth certificate which was prepared and signed at my birth….and that was a long time before Obama was born! Transparency and honesty….I for one am ready to see and hear what is really real in Washington. But, it is politics as usual in Washington, DC!

    • thinker

      You’re so right. Those European dictators like Joe McCarthy and George Bush… (whoops I’m sorry they were AMERICANS – my mistake) I don’t know why you’ve just become scared now. You lost all your rights with 8 years under Bush. And why are you so concerned about a birth certificate??? I’m not giving the issue any credence but why are so many people making a Swift Boat issue out of it. Like who cares. He’s your leader with a huge amount of support – so start dealing with real issues, like whether he’s making the most efficient decisions and how the process can be improved. Not name-calling.

      • KC

        It’s all Bush’s fault. Is that the full body of your contribution to the discussion? And you are suggesting Conservatives start dealing with real issues? Here’s a newsflash for you (though the MSM has missed it, too), Bush is no longer in office.

        • thinker

          If you’d read the thread, you would have noticed that I did not blame Bush for anything in this specific thread. I merely responded to the concerns that the US was heading into a dictatorship. My argument is that the current resident of the white house is less of a dictator than what was there previously and the country is changing AWAY from being a dictatorship.

      • Howard

        You’re full of hate thinker, and just think, somebody actually thought you were a thinker. Probably been looking in the mirror too much.

      • Hello

        Please state exactly what freedoms we had lost under Bush. To use your logic, state an argument that we can respond to. I do not feel that I lost freedoms under Bush. I do feel that my constitutional rights will be curtailed or lost under Obama. Specifically, Amendments, 1,2,4,5, and people watch for #22. I just received a request from the new Obama SEC, personal account statements. They totally missed Bernie Madoff, so they are going after the small investors that they can initimidate and think they can collect from. Be ready for a battle!

        • thinker

          Under Bush you lost all due process. It became legal to arrest an individual, even an American citizen, without charges and to hold them indefinitely. It became legal for the government to tap your phones and read your email without warrants and to listen to your phone conversations without warrant. The government even provided legal justification for torture from the attorney general that Bush put in. An entire new set of laws were created out of thin air to cover military trials for foreign combatants. All this was supposedly justified to make us safer. A wiser man than I once postulated that if one gives up rights and freedoms for safety then in the end he will have neither. He wasn’t a liberal.

        • Earlw

          actually, Hello, In this case, Bush DID put in place a lot of the fascist pseudo-legislation like NSPD-51 and so forth, which greatly curtails our freedoms in case of a DECLARED EMERGENCY such as the one which is being set up during the OBAMA white house. Obama knows about these things or should, and is not doing anything to rectify them…

          In my opinion, He is no better than Bush…Two sides of the same coin!

      • guntotingtexan

        The constitution says so. Oh yea whats that? You talk about education! You need to read up on it.

        • Hello

          Sign of the times, Thinker. What do you suppose we do to stop the terrorists who have a single minded focus on killing Americans and all that we have created. Shall we wait until they hit us again here inside the US and sacrifice more Americans? That blood will be squarely on the hands of the Administration. He has weakened our defenses, demoralized the CIA and now he has put Israel in his target. At least we were told of the Patriot Act and it was passed in Congress. My comment, they can listen to me all they want, I have nothing to hide and they will get bored listening to me and my friends planning some fun together. Obama is speedily taking over the private sector with threats and unfair financial dealings. That has me more concerned as my very ability to earn a living in the financial services industry is hanging on by a thread. What would you have me tell my clients when they ask “What is happening to my future and the future of my children?” Please don’t answer that question with some comment on how Obama and his “investment”, or massive spending is somehow going to lead to prosperity, jobs creation, yaddah yaddah. It was a rhetorical question unfortunately.

  • Duane

    Well mr. thinker, it is very clear to me that you aren’t playing with a full deck, you want everything handed to you on a silver plate with gold on the rim. I’m sorry to say but that isn’t life. You have got marbles rolling around in your head and you can’t hear or think very clearly. There is no telling you anything, you need all the illegal pills that you can get. YOur brain has been fried and you have went back 20 years of your life and you can’t see the blue sky because of all of the clouds that have gotten in the way of your eyesight. You will never wake up.

    • thinker

      So Duane, I give you some real arguments and you respond with 7 lines of name-calling and diatribes. Have another beer – I hear some banjos playing.

      • http://libertyalert Molly

        You are hateful, rude and arrogant all you have done is throw your garbage of hate to someone on this blog trying to make a difference.

        • thinker

          Molly, do you have an original idea in your head or is that air between your ears. I responded duly to a person who provided seven lines of hateful insults with a little bit of satire. Go back to school and study your native tongue.

      • Mike1968

        To all mindless liberals who are doing their level best to reduce a free nation to tyranny, I say:

        Ouck Fbama…. and you, too!

        • thinker

          Mikey likes it!!

      • Howard

        Hey Dwayne– think that Thinker has had too much Obama Cool Aid….. A little lop headed.

        • thinker

          Intelligent response Howard. Wow, you even brought out the Kool-Aid clause. I hope it got a good chuckle around the other hillbillies.

        • Howard

          Hey Dwayne, I do not know about you, but I take great pride in being a hillbilly instead of a Obama Cool Aid Drinker. The difference is, they never learn where they came from… I know where I came from and know the difference..

  • http://none OhBoy!

    I find all this exchange very interesting to say the least and eye opening. I agree that our country has changed for the worse not the better.I am amazed at the obssession “Mr. Thinker” personifies. It seems Mr. Thinker has a bad case of “entitlement” syndrome.

    • thinker

      Really…. I’d love to know what I think I’m entitled to. Why don’t you tell me.

      And on a serious note, why don’t you let me know what has changed for the worse. Seems to me, the overall situation is improving by the day. More openness in government, greater accountability, lower taxes for the middle class, less military spending going to support Cheney’s cronies….

      • http://none OhBoy!

        I was wondering how long it would take you to respond. As to your question, I think you need to always have the last word and convey you are always right.

        As to what I think has changed for the worse…the slow erosion of economic freedom, political freedom, and moral restraint.

        • thinker

          Those are big words. LOL

          Economic Freedom – I’m not sure how that has been changed… Potentially some hedge funds could argue that the government is forcing a Chrysler bankruptcy at a lower recovery rate than what a longer drawn out bankruptcy might generate. That might be a decrease in economic freedom but bankruptcy courts have always had the ability to restructure claims. Perhaps though you’re talking about the quantum of personal wealth and it’s decline over the past few years. But that was based on a “bubble” of inflated property values brought about by scurrilous sub-prime lending practices. So I’m not sure what decline in economic freedoms you’d like to lay at the feet of the current administration.
          As for Political Freedom, I’d love to hear your thoughts on what rights have been trodden on and what has changed.
          Moral Restraint – The current hearings into state-sanctioned torture are a great example of how moral restraint didn’t exist under the old administration but are becoming a keystone of this one.

          Sorry for posting the last word, but I invite you to respond.

  • Robin from Indiana

    Thinker…. You are quick with your comebacks, but we will see where we are in 4 years. I wouldn’t want to predict how bad I think it’s going to be. We have lost our retirement in the stock market. At least President Bush made sure that we were not attacked again by terrorists, and I do mean terrorists, not man made disasters! And the stock market was doing well. So far what I have seen with this administration is those who have to clear up legal matters, such as not paying taxes before they can take a position in government offered to them; pork laden bills that were so massive that they couldn’t be read in time prior to voting on them; and nothing that resembles the least bit of transparency. All these were things that Obama promised. Bush isn’t in office any more. All these things were of the present administration.

    • thinker

      Robin – I think you have a very short memory. Your stock market losses took place during the Bush years. So far this year (in Obama’s administration) the market is UP.

      Pork has always been a part of the government process. It’s unfortunate and Clinton tried to get away from it by getting a line item veto, but unfortunately it didn’t pass. The only way to get legislation through Congress is to tag on all kinds of spending for special interest groups so that a particular Senator or Representative can say he’s looking out for his people’s interest. Get rid of PACs and special interest groups and bring back a presidential line-item VETO and you may just get rid of pork barrel politics.

      And you’re right, I’m incensed as well that there are so many people that cheat or do not fully disclose on their taxes. I don’t know if Geithner is the best person to lead us out the financial mess, but for the most part he’s got a lot of pretty good people working with him, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. His tax situation took away some of his credibility but I personally think he’s on the right track.

      As far as transparency goes, I’ve personally seen so much more requests for input and actual output from the administration on their plans compared to the previous presidency which kept everything in secret.

      Now I’ll address your terrorist comments – approximately 5,000 people died in the twin towers. Out of a population of over 200 million. Yes it was freaky. Yes it was bad. It was really bad. But let’s get some perspective here. Our reaction to it cost us trillions of dollars, most of our personal rights were abdicated to the new Security apparatus, it completely eroded any respect we had with the rest of the world, and it made us even more susceptible to terrorist attack than before simply because we created so many more people that were pissed off. Not only that but we used that as a justification for a completely morally bankrupt invasion of Iraq, destabilizing it even further and killing or maiming so many of our young soldiers for NO RATIONAL REASON.

      • Robin from Indiana

        Thinker… You can’t be serious about the stock market? It has made a couple of hundred points, but it started down as soon as Obama won the election. Yes, technically George Bush was still at the helm, but it didn’t start falling until after Obama was elected….

        I don’t like the pork barrel spending. Obama campaigned against it, but has not stopped it. He only told people that he was against lobbyists, when he actually is showing that he is not… He may have seemed more credible to me if he would have done just a couple of things he said he would do, and I am not talking about closing Gitmo, which I think is a mistake.

        I would like for you to cite an example of this administrations transparency. I don’t see it.

        As far as the Iraq war goes…. my nephew is currently serving his second tour of duty there. My sister tells everyone she talks to that he is serving there so that the war doesn’t come here. And make no mistake, that is a possibility. I don’t like war. I cannot hardly stand to watch war movies. They scare me. War here scares me, too. I am proud of my nephew. My own son served in Kosovo. My brother in law served in Viet Nam. I have many cousins who were in the military, too. Our family looks at the military as a way to be patriotic, proud of country and proud to serve.

        My family was staunch Democrat. My dad’s ashes are probably going nuts and my mother is probably rolling in her grave. They would be shocked and dismayed at what they see happening. I grew up in Michigan. My Dad didn’t work for any of the big 4 out of Detroit. He would be so upset to see that his hard earned money went to bail out GM who is going to file bankruptcy anyway.

        Let’s face it. You don’t look at life with the same values and convictions as I do. Thank God our country is a free capitalistic country that allows us to voice our opinions. I am not ragging on you; I simply disagree with you…

        • thinker

          Sorry Robin, you’re completely off in your stock market timing. Go to any charts, Yahoo is a good choice. Bring up a chart for the Dow Jones or the S&P500 or the Nasdaq for the past 3 years. The vast majority of the losses occurred as we were going through last year. Had nothing to do with election politics. It was merely a reaction to the stress of too much money chasing too few assets and then being hit with the subprime mortgage crisis.

          Sorry about your nephew. And if it provides your sister comfort to think that way then so be it. But there was NEVER a chance of that happening and it only occurred because we were all lied to. El Queda was NEVER in IRAQ before the war. Saddam was not a nice guy but neither are a hundred other dictators that WE’ve put into power and kept there.

      • Howard

        I believe Chris Dodd and Darling Barney Frank were the thugs that sunk the mortgage industry. Yes they were during GB tenure, but they were the liars and thieves who brought down the house. Now, how about studying a little bit on that subject. You guys are so eaten up as Bush Haters, you have lost your way and listened too much to the Community Organizer. Can anyone be so blind? Guess so, youall elected your hot shot leader, or what ever you want to call him, I just call him thug….

        • thinker

          Howard, you started off fine. You stated an opinion- a little bit strong maybe with the use of the word “thug” but in context probably ok given your feelings. But then you lost it. Instead of backing that up with a statement of what they actually did and a reasoned statement of how they did it, you got a little bit too much whiskey in you and went off the deep end. Chill for a second and don’t worry too much about Bush haters. It’s over now – he’s gone – we can all fix his mistakes and make the world better now.

          Anyways, regarding the mortgage industry and the over-inflation of the subprime sector, I might make the argument that it was a simple rule change at the rating agencies (ie S&P, Moody’s) which facilitated much of the debacle we eventually faced.

          Now my argument will go back in time to 2004. At that time there were debt instruments called CDO’s which investors like to buy because they provided a return commensurate with a targeted risk level. Mathematicians had spent years figuring out the statistics behind these things and everyone was pretty comfortable with the mechanics. Now in 2004, you could buy a CDO which had a whole mess of underlying debt supporting it, from corporate bonds to international debt to mortgage backed and asset backed securities. The key was that each CDO had to have a DIVERSE set of underlying debt… so you couldn’t have a CDO with all airline debt or all french government debt or all auto company debt. You had to limit the exposure of any one type to a small percentage within the CDO. So if you had a $1Billion CDO, then only $40 MM could come from the retail industry lets say. That was the way things were done and investors were fairly comfortable buying these CDO’s after they were rated by the agencies according to those diversity principles.

          Now along comes 2004…. and the rules changed. Instead of relying on diversity, the rating agencies changed their statistical models to rely upon joint probably distributions, which according to their models said it was OK to build a CDO with 100% of the underlying securities being mortgage-backed securities based off sub-prime mortgages. Investors believed the rating agencies and started buying this stuff until it was flying off the shelf. We lost our check and balance. Every mortgage dollar that was originated was immediately snapped up into an MBS with the riskier parts put into a CDO. Everybody was making more money. BUT THE MODELS DIDN’T WORK. When the real estate market started going down, it was like a house of cards and what the rating agencies had not counted on, or had dismissed as a low probability, was the joint defaults. The fact that as the RE market decreased, it eroded buyer confidence nation-wide and drove the entire market down further. So we had a problem and voila here we are.

          Now Howard, I’d like you to read my argument and show me where I place any blame on BUSH or politicians. I calmly stated several facts and showed the logical results of their inter-relationships so that it supported my original statement. If you would like to create a similarly dispassionate argument to support how Dodd and Frank did what you say they did… then I’d be happy to listen to you.

  • MOMSRIGHT

    What we are experiencing today is a product of years of moral decay. We took God out of public class rooms supposedly to keep a separation between church and state! We legalized the killing of unborn children {abortion} supposedly in the name of privacy and a womans right to chose! We Glorify, Homosexuality, pornography, and sexual child abuse under the auspices of free speech! Now we want to include in our constitution to a right to a dignified death {euthansia}!……….We have slowly worn down our collective conscience! With idioms like “If it feels good do it” Or “Everythings realitive”. It should not amaze us at the speed with which Obama is accomplishing his agenda or the little resistance he is getting! Americans have learned to be apathetic. We have been conditioned to have a false tolerance, we are supposed to Tolerate everything! ………..This is why we don’t recognize evil when it comes! The only way out of this mess is for us to find our way back to God! We need to repent and beg God for mercy! ……That is if we can turn off the TV long enough to realize this!

  • Manuel

    Thinker is clearly a liberal. Liberals foundation is quick sand his opinions are flawed and are based on lies and misrepresentation.

    Truth and Accuracy are very focused and very troubeling to the liberals. Truth and Accuracy are very humbeling to us all! Our Creator "GOD" has provided direction and teaching for all of us. The problem is the majority of us have not focused on God's Bible. The knowledge that God has provided to us through his bible is beyond the knowledge of man today.

    Thinker I guarantee you that if you read the Bible take time and seek God's guidance you to will be humbled by you errors as I was humbled. Humility is awareness of your own failures. Unfortunatley we all have been slapped in our face by our own screw-ups. I guarantee you that you will experience God's work and you will be humbled by your errors as I have been.

    Lies are weakness!

    • http://none OhBoy!

      Well said.

    • thinker

      Manuel

      You seem to be having trouble and are mixing up your thoughts. On the one hand you espouse seeking guidance from your bible, gaining humility and learning some knowledge. On the other hand you make a blanket statement about Truth and Accuracy being owned by non-liberals. I’m not sure the concepts, irrespective of any validity they may hold, have any relationship with each other.

      I so believe you sleighted me by saying that I had “errors” Woe betides me!! But might I inquire what “errors” you think I have made?

      • Howard

        way too many thinker, way too many…

        • thinker

          Have another drink Howard.

  • Kim McGough

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and to all that are replying to thinker, give it a rest. The only way to change the vote of congress is to flood their offices will with your thoughts, remember, if they think, and want to keep their job, they will vote according to the mail and phone calls. Our country has gone to the lobbyist, and their dollars that they put into their campainges. God says to pray for your leaders, so do it. My question is what happened to majority rules? If you have two people, they can not agree on what is right or wrong. The world is going the way of Bible prophecy, and the USA is going down hill fast. We do have a problem with the left and yet we have a problem with the right. We cannot allow to much liberalism and be free and We cannot tell people how to live and still be free. We are supposed to love our enimies and pray for them, but we are our on worst enemy. Remember, congress writes the laws on the president signs them, so get local and get your friends and family to start contacting your congressppeople and senators. Quit passing the blame, it falls on all of us. “grumpy”

    • thinker

      I agree with a lot of what you say…. Except I’m an opimistic. In general the world is getting better all the time. Well maybe not every single second of every single day, but in general we keep making life better for more and more people. We can all point to individual atrocities and unfair circumstances, but statistically as a percentage of the population and considering things on a world-wide basis, they are declining. Our problems over-all are decreasing and our worldwide standard of living is increasing. As communication opens up even more, we become inextricably linked to the rest of the world and thinking from many different perspectives. “happy”

  • http://none OhBoy!

    To thinker:
    Yes you did post the last word on that one(LOL).

    As to my remarks to the erosion of economic freedom, political freedom, and moral restraint. Here are some examples:
    1)economic freedom — intervention(interference) in the private sector(bailout of GM,etc) Delta Airlines filed bankruptcy and seemed to figure its way out. Maybe the reason these companies are failing is that they forgot what it meant to service customers. As such, the profits stopped coming because of that simple fact. Are not profits the result of expressions of gratitude from customers?

    2) political freedom — here’s a SIMPLE one: loss of the right to spank your child , and your told that is abusive to a child. Huh? what happened to spare the rod spoil the child?

    3)moral restraint — one example here, the credit card crisis, spending what you dont have, living beyond your means. What happened to the lay away plan? Another, waste of earthly resources, abuse of the environment. We are not good stewards of the things we earn or are loaned. Cant take it with you? On the other hand, why misuse it and not leave it in the “condition the way you found it to begin with” philosophy. Others will come after we are all gone to need those very same resources.

    • http://none OhBoy!

      I am disappointed…no response from you(thinker).
      “bummer”

    • thinker

      At the risk of posting last….

      I understand your arguments on intervention in the private sector, but I would respectfully disagree that this is a) a new phenomenon or b) necessarily undesirable in the certain circumstances or c) that a “private sector” exists completely separate than all other stakeholders. The fact is that we have always made choices between “bailing out” or letting fail inefficient and unprofitable business’. The only thing about GM is it’s quantum amount and nearness in our memories. Sometimes it’s better to let something die quickly and other times it’s better to allow a period of adjustment and maybe letting things work out. I’m not smart enough to call the individual circumstances around GM, but I lean slightly towards a restructuring given the facts I’ve heard. Similarly when the government let Lehman brothers die, it did not realize the impact upon banking contracts and in retrospect may have provided the wrong kind of support for AIG. However there’s a lot of smarter people than me arguing both sides of those arguments. Governments have always interjected themselves into the economy in EVERY country. The US just falls a little further along the scale of “hands off” than some other countries. And the degree is constantly changing as well. I take a look at the history of the banking sector and see the creation of government sponsored deposit insurance as one of the great stabilizers from the depression, similarly the creation of the mortgage backed securities market helped the savings and loan market weather through the worst losses they could encounter. There will always be challenges. How we face it is important and limiting ourselves with dogma does not usually provide creative solutions.

      Regarding your example of political freedom, I’m not sure I see it the same way. I usually think of political freedom as the ability to live a life without undue restrictions over actions that do not affect others. For instance, not being denied the ability to ride on a bus, attend a desired school or drink from a fountain with other people. Having the ability to go to court if you feel you’ve been wronged, being able to defend yourself against an accusation, not being subjected to torture to extract a “confession”. On the other side of the scale, I might say that each person have access to life saving drugs or procedures and that no person have preferential access.

      Spanking is a difficult issue because it goes to our customs and mores. There will be those who argue about limits… how much spanking is enough before it becomes abuse, there will be others that argue there can be no abuse since the parents “own” the child and there will be the third group that say no amount of physical violence including spanking is tolerable. I’m not going to argue for any particular group, but do not feel that any of the above arguments represent a diminution of political rights for the adult.

      Moral restraint – you provide several examples but I do not believe they are real issues pointing to a decline in our society. You are correct that easy credit has changed society, but we no longer have debtor’s prisons, loan sharking has decreased to almost non-existence, and borrowing costs have become much more efficient. Yes there are high and low cycles of defaults…. we deal with them as we always have… through individual bankruptcy and losses to investors. the societal impacts are much lower than the issue of no credit in the early part of the last century and the century before that. People can now move on and adjust.
      Regarding the environment – we are the most aware people in history about the impacts of our actions on the planet and we are also doing more and more to mitigate these actions. Witness the California emissions levels and the desire to now make these federal. the US has some of the best environmental protection regulations in the world and they keep getting better.
      Spiritual – I believe that we are now the most cognizant of our impact on other peoples and are creating better ways to respect each other. Our relationship with the rest of humanity is getting better through advanced communications and disseminations of technology and economics.

  • Manuel

    Thinker,

    Your question is easy to respond to!

    Your primary error is not searching for truth and accuracy. I garantee you that Truth and Accuracy is a rock solid foundation. This what you will discover on your own. I know this for a fact because I accepted the chalenge that God gave me. I also was humbeled when I discovered that my own opinions were flawed and wrong. Truth and Accuracy are the strongest foundation that you can build your future on.

    I guarantee you that you will eventually see your errors and flaws were caused by your own bad opinion. Once you look deeply in to your foundation of quicksand you will admit to yourself that you have erorred. This is a discovery that you will come across on your own. No one will be able prove to you your errors because you will reject them. This discovery is something that you owe to yourself. I guarantee you if you ask God for his help you will receive it. And like me you will be humbled by your errors.

    Sincerly,

    Manuel

    • thinker

      I’m sure that you and the Ayatollahs will be very happy together.

  • http://MSN Ron

    Thinker,
    As I read your rehtoric and feeble replies to the majority here ,it has become obvious who the thinkers are. Where on earth did you get your percentages for IQ’s?
    You must be an avid daily Kost subscriber.
    It would be very interesting i sumize to look at your back ground.
    I detect a hint of mexico or perhaps one of the other third world havens in you.

    • thinker

      I understand that I’m dealing with someone of limited capacity. However, for the sake of your education, I will post the definition and simplified distribution of IQ’s. You may independently verify it. For the sake of your further education, it is not appropriate to hide behind the veil of mob thinking to attack the minority. Any one person may a have valid idea. I’m trying to understand what yours is.

      “IQ stands for intelligence quotient. Supposedly, it is a score that tells one how “bright” a person is compared to other people. The average IQ is by definition 100; scores above 100 indicate a higher than average IQ and scores below 100 indicate a lower that average IQ. Theoretically, scores can range any amount below or above 100, but in practice they do not meaningfully go much below 50 or above 150.”

      Half of the population have IQ’s of between 90 and 110, while 25% have higher IQ’s and 25% have lower IQ’s”

      The sum total of your response to me is to say that you think I can’t think. You surmise (imagine) several interesting fantasies, although I don’t know why. I will look up Kost and see what it is about. My background???? education, religious, economic, geographic, personality, interests???? I’m also not sure how you think that Mexico is a haven….. from what?

  • http://MSN Ron

    Remember when candidate Obama said on national television we were killing innocent civillians in Afganistan and Iraq by indiscriminatly bombing targets.
    Guess what he’s doing in Pakistan.
    we gave all that money to GM and they asked for more then went bankrupt.
    Obama wants a Trillion to combat Swine Flu. Napolitano labels Veterans as posiible terrorists. Then she wants everybodies guns.Who’s going to insure the gangsters turn theirs in.WHO says possible Pandemic, but Napolitano says don’t close border to Mexico. “HELP”!

    • thinker

      “Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose”

      I’m sure that with respect to the bombings in the border sections of Pakistan that there are limited options, regardless of political rhetoric. The situation there will change over time as the US builds up its forces in Afganistan and Pakistan army provides greater comfort the US that they can maintain their own security. There’s probably about a million moving pieces in that dynamic.

      Similarly for GM. I wouldn’t want to be the one to come up with a solution that would make everyone happy. However, as a taxpayer, I’m pleased that they’ve been so strict with the existing bondholders.

      You might want to check your facts about Swine flu costs. seems excessive.

      Gun control is a thorny issue. I could argue both sides of it, but can’t be bothered in this forum.

      The Mexico issue is also more complicated because so many of our agricultural industries REQUIRE cheap migrant Mexican labor. Closing the border would cause massive economic ruin to farm operations.

  • John Yeomans

    I hear all this silly story’s about ‘waterboarding’, etc, is torture. Has America become a total land of wimps? I as well as many other American Military men have and do go through SERE training. I went through such training prior to serving in Vietnam. Did I enjoy it? Not one iota! However, after going through SERE training, I felt then, and feel today every serviceman and servicewoman, regardless of branch of service should be required to go through the training as part of “basic training”. Do any of you have any idea of what the other side does to prisoners? Think about it.

    • thinker

      We don’t have to be wimps to abhor bullying and torture. It’s hard to see the concept that we can be “better”, but at the end of the day that is the only way that societies progress. What vision do we see for ourselves.

  • CarlF

    A “Thinker” he is not. It’s hard to figure out what his/her point is. I’m surprised ya’ll took the bait.
    Obama was elected mainly by people who want a free ride, don’t pay any income taxes, and believe in the infallibility of government, or just voted based on skin color (oh, sorry, that sounds racist). They never saw a tax they didn’t like (mainly because they have no intention of paying it), don’t know or care where the money comes from, revert to name calling when they can’t make a cogent argument, and believe that everyone who thinks for themselves must be stupid and probably mean to boot.
    Those are the people running the government. Nancy P is a perfect example, as is Harry R. Those two are the best the progressives could come up with. Makes you wonder how they ever got control of the greatest nation on earth. Of course, they only acknowledge that control when it’s convenient, and only take credit when things turn out well. I don’t think I’ve ever heard a Democrat admit a mistake. The closest they get is “Bush made me do it”.
    By the way, I am Libertarian, not a Repub, and definitely not religious.

    • thinker

      Carl, I’m not sure i subscribe to your generalizations. He received over 50% of the vote, so you’re arguing that 50% of the voting population is stupid and/or lazy. It’s an interesting argument. I might actually raise the percentage significantly to take into account those taken in by McCain. The fact of the matter is that only 10% of the population has an iq above 135.

      I’m not sure how you as a libertarian can possibly support a Bush legacy. If you take a look at what he accomplished during his tenure, he took away personal liberties, eroded many of the personal legal rights, spent billions of dollars on personal pet projects, threw away more taxpayer dollars on his ideologically bent war on drugs with no results, compromised the ability of our scientific community to be at the forefront of new technologies by playing his “born-again” card. Oh yeah he also tried to institute religion back into education…. and what the heck is spending hundreds of millions on abstinence training supposed to do? The guy was a nightmare for free thinkers.

      • CarlF

        Thinker:
        Whatever gave you the idea I supported Bush. Sadly, I was again forced to vote for him as the lesser of two incompetents, but in truth I never supported him, and spoke out against many of his actions. In those days, my liberal friends and I had much in common.
        As for any claim that Obama was elected by the stupid or lazy, I never said that. Those were your words, which may or may not be true. There is no evidence that liberals are any less intelligent. Just different.
        My main point was that Obama was elected mainly by people that will not be expected to pay their fair share, people who are mainly on the receiving end of the tax system, and think more government is the answer to all problems. I don’t think that is really in dispute.

        • thinker

          Sorry Carl, I was paraphrasing. I used lazy as a substitution for “people that will not be expected to pay their fair share, people who are mainly on the receiving end of the tax system, and think more government is the answer to all problems”.

          And yes, sorry to say, that I do dispute your main point. I work with Libs and Cons and I have to say that ALL of the people I know are pretty hard working and not looking for more tax breaks or subsidies. Matter of fact, ALL of the people I know get kind of upset when they hear of special interest programs for any group, including special industry or union subsidies and even Halliburton, getting billions of taxpayer dollars. I am not averse to sometimes letting government create more efficient (can’t believe I’d actually say that but sometimes its true) mechanisms to deliver health care services to replace the current HMO system we have where billions are plundered out for corporate greed under the guise of a government regulated oligopoly.

  • John

    So called ‘thinker’ – seems to me you’ve got your head so far up your rear-end you need a plexotomy.
    Demopublicans screw up the gov’t as they see fit. It’s now called we the Pol’s, not we the People.

    • thinker

      Dude – if you’re going to step in to a ring, be prepared to swing. Calling names is good for the schoolyard to impress the other bullies but completely ineffectual here.

      It’s wonderful to see from your statements the distrust you have for all politicians, but it does nothing for the argument. What are some reasonable solutions given reality? Why don’t you tell us what proposals you have to make the government more representative of your views, hopes and aspirations. And to put it into context, think in terms of the rest of the world and try to use a best-practices type of model. Despite our problems I think we’ve got a pretty healthy form of government that can adapt quickly to changing situations. Very few other countries have the kinds of checks and balances that our system provides. Not only between the parties but also among the parties there is constant conflict, healthy conflict, that generally provides reasonably good solutions. Would a benign dictatorship be more efficient… probably, but we’d lose a lot of the flexibility and potential rights we currently enjoy.

  • Mind that Bird

    Thinker is a little person hiding behind a big machine to give his life purpose. Bully tactics on a blog site. What a hero huh.

    • thinker

      Nice attack. Bully tactics generally involve using force or psychological berations and attacks upon character. Generally speaking, the ones that cannot provide a reasoned attack on this site are pointing those bully tactics at me. I provide you all with reason and facts. I let slip occasionally that an attitude might be racist or hateful, but no more than that. Seems to me that you’re the one joining the miscreant masses and giving in to groupthink.

      • Mind that Bird

        YOU used Miscreant in the wrong context and you said nothing. YOU talked in circles to act big again to me it proved my point.

        • thinker

          mis⋅cre⋅ant
             /ˈmɪskriənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mis-kree-uhnt] Show IPA
          –adjective
          1. depraved, villainous, or base.
          2. Archaic. holding a false or unorthodox religious belief; heretical.
          –noun
          3. a vicious or depraved person; villain.
          4. Archaic. a heretic or infidel.

          No, that’s what I meant. You really need to get an education. Sunday school doesn’t count.

  • Mind that Bird

    The real subject here is the Obama first 100 days. Power over reaching. Lie cheat and steal to get the job now its rob rule and dictate toward socialism. Cheaters never win and time will show the man has no experience. We need term limits on congress and senate and we need an investigation into Obama’s campaign fund and a revote on the election. JMHO.

    • Mind that Bird

      • MISCREANT (noun)
      The noun MISCREANT has 1 sense:
      1. a person without moral scruples

      Familiarity information: MISCREANT used as a noun is very rare.

      Dictionary entry details
      • MISCREANT (noun)
      Meaning:
      A person without moral scruples
      Classified under:
      Nouns denoting people
      Synonyms:
      miscreant; reprobate
      Hypernyms (“miscreant” is a kind of…):

      offender; wrongdoer (a person who transgresses moral or civil law)

      Hyponyms (each of the following is a kind of “miscreant”):

      degenerate; deviant; deviate; pervert (a person whose behavior deviates from what is acceptable especially in sexual behavior)

      black sheep; scapegrace (a reckless and unprincipled reprobate)

      wretch (performs some wicked deed)

      Learn English with… Proverbs of the week

      “New brooms sweep clear.” (English proverb)

      “Let sleeping dogs lie.” (Agatha Christie)

      “Maybe he wanted to throw himself in the well, would you follow?” (Armenian proverb)

      “Speaking is silver, being silent is gold.” (Dutch proverb)

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      • thinker

        So dude, you don’t like my use of the word…. that’s fine. I’ll simply say the “masses” and let you all connote any hidden meanings I might ascribe to it. You’re far to hateful in your analysis of the administration. You don’t just address the actual issues and the pros and cons of each choice but you attack the man himself for no reason.

        • Mind that Bird

          Time will tell all Cheaters never win. I have many reasons to disagree with the current administration and that my dear will be history. Socialism is his direction one world order is his game. HE wants to be King of the World and you my dear a subject. IF you can’t see that then you will be unable to think for yourself Thinker. Freedom is a God given gift. IF you don’t believe in Freedom of choice then you do not believe in God. Its that simple. Thats all I have to say to you I am done child. I think your an argumentive little soul.

  • Gladys Denzler

    I can’t believe all I just read. The Right is nuts’ or is the Left nuts? I think they both are.
    There are less than 500 people in Washington running the country, half of which are
    nothing more than crooks. They enter Congress with a small bank account and in
    a few years they are multimillionaires. Most are serving themselves, special interest
    and their families. Until we get them out of office and put in people who will serve the
    people, it doesn’t matter if you are on the left or the right, you are just being used to
    build the wealth and power of a small number of people.

    • nannasc

      I totally agree!

    • thinker

      So Gladys, irrespective of whether I agree with you or not. What do you want to do about it? There have been proposals brought in over the years to limit the influence peddlars and the self serving subsidy seekers, but most of those efforts prove to be in vain. Why can’t we get enough support for things like line-item vetos and elimination of PACs?

      • glen

        The reason we do not have line item veto is the president is to be a watchdog in legislation matters, not an activist. His job is to shut down the government by veto if there is reason to. When the president vetos a needed bill, the system of checks and balances gives the right to override a veto when necessary. Can anyone remember the last good watchdog president. The last one I remember was John Kennedy, and they killed him. Reagan even folded instead of shutting down the government

        • thinker

          Glen

          Line item vetoes are supposed to be used to eliminate the funding of a specific Florida sugar farm tacked on to a bill about housing reform. Or how about a turnpike funding tacked on to legislation approving military spending. The process is flawed because in order to get the “votes” for a bill, we have these inconsequential (in the scheme of the bill) little add-ons that everybody hopes we won’t notice. No other democratic country in the world passes legislation this way. Everywhere else they put each of the line items as separate bills or within bills that they are related to. That way voting records are clear. For instance “Did the honorable member from Sasquatch Indiana vote for the facade of a candy store in Macon, Georgia to be rebuilt using funds allocated to the redeployment of troops from Iraq to Afaghanistan” In any other country, these would not be tied together. Line item vetos are the simplest way to fix this nightmare we’ve created for ourselves.

  • Mike1968

    Civility has a place – in time of peace. Today, however, we are not at peace. We are at W-A-R-! The forces of tyranny led by Public Enemy # 1, Barry Soetero, Usurper, Fraud and Pretender to the Office of the Presidency of the United States, AKA The Charlatan of the White House, is in a full-court press to subjugate those who do not believe in his rotten socialist drivel. He wants power like he has never wanted anything before, he breathes for it, he craves it, it is the reason for his existance.

    The Infanticide-Enabler-In-Chief is in the process of deconstructing the country day-by-day, in every sector of American life and we, those who will suffer from his policies and decisions, sit idly by, like disinterested observers and quibble over whether or not we should be civil to Acorn crackpot leftists like Thinker.

    Wake up folks! It is time to take to the streets en masse and show our fellow Americans we will not tolerate the dismantling of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Find the next Tea Party in your area and instead of drinking beer around the BBQ grill get busy, get interested, get involved and participate. Dedicate the day to showing you still believe in freedom and value it over tyranny by peacefully demonstrating your dissent to the direction oBUMa is trying to take this once-great nation. The consequences for doing nothing bode badly for you, your children and your grandchildren.

    • thinker

      You’re foaming.

  • http://LibertyPersonalDigest lauren

    We need to get rid of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, and Dodd. They are the ones who are destroying Our Country!

  • Mike

    if this thinker would get a life he would not have the time to reply to all. quit repling to this lib now! kinda reminds me of a song, I’d like to find your inner child and kick its little ass. lol

    • thinker

      That’s so sweet Mike. Give Daddy a kiss.

  • nannasc

    Hey, those of us who were around when Carter came in office, recognize so much of what is happening now – Carter tried much of this, only he was not nearly as aggressive or determined to push forward so much so quickly. We know what sort of shape our country was in when Carter tried many of these same things. It did not work then & it won’t work now. We all thought that Carter was going to bring peace and all this wonderful stuff. But it didn’t happen. Interest rates shot up, jobs were lost. . .prices went up. Many of us have been down this road before. . .

    • thinker

      nanna – you raise several valid points. Inflation caused by monetary and fiscal stimulus is a serious concern – I agree.– However, on the other side, deflation is just as scary. Japan has come through the past 15 years most of it in massive deflation and they have not been able to get much traction in getting their economy going. The key for our leaders is to balance the opposing risks of inflation and deflation. What gives me the greatest hope is that our economy is one of the most flexible in the world and can adapt fairly quickly to changing situations.

  • tom

    People! it is very simple! to get this country back
    first we have to loose the “me” or “if it does not affect me i don’t care” attitude.
    and go back to the “WE or US attitude”
    then we tell our politicians we elected you and if you do not listen to our requests for the betterment of our great country then WE (the people) will do what we have to do to remove you from office.
    This country is being run by extremely greedy and power hungry people and if we fail to do something to correct this problem now then shame on us!! and we all will deserve what we get …. loss of human rights do we want to be like china with no rights and no pride? this country was once great and it has lost it’s way.
    It is up to us (we the people) to get it back in line and all it takes is voting out the corrupt greedy people that are currently running our government!

    • thinker

      “It is up to us (we the people) to get it back in line and all it takes is voting out the corrupt greedy people that are currently running our government!”

      I thought we just did!!

      • tom

        roaring run away debt ,legalizing all the illegal immigrants and allow them to take away american jobs. let big labor run the country, allow a president to fire an employee in the private sector (GM) among many other thing is not what we the people bargianed for nor wanted. you need to get your head out of the sand especially if you are young because it is the young that i am fighting for and their welfare a few short years from now when we cannot pay the national debt. the dems and republicans are at war and not in the best interest of this countryand the president is just doing what pleases him with no control whatsoever. wake up america before this country falls.

        • thinker

          There’s a legal term for your arguments. It’s called “sucking and blowing”. You talk about saving American jobs and yet you deride rescuing the auto sector. When did GM become private? It seems to me that once they accept funds from the government, (did I say accept- I really meant begged on their hands and knees), the government should let them continue on there merry way according to the same rules that got them in trouble in the first place. As a taxpayer, don’t you WANT to have a say! If I was a senior bond-holder I would and that’s what the gov’t became. As far as letting big labor run the country, I’m not sure how you think that has transpired so why don’t you educate me. Sorry, I’m not that young. Just like to examine issues from all sides without giving in to the rhetoric most people fall for.

          And TOM I think you’re completely off base your last statement. Dems and republicans are a lot closer than they’ve been for many years… the extreme polarizations of the past 15 years from what I can see is slowly dissipating and there is what appears to be more intraworkings between them. I’m sorry you don’t like the president, but I haven’t seen too much of what he’s done so far that is egregious and neither have most moderate rebublicans.

      • Dale

        thinker,
        if by, “the corrupt greedy people that are currently running our government!”, you mean all of those Obama
        appointees who kind of…forgot to pay their taxes
        or blamed the mathematical complexities of Turbo-Tax.
        Then I agree. Let’s vote all of those “hope” for
        “change” bums out.

        • thinker

          I’m sorry Dale. I was quoting another commentor. Usually I put quotes in quotation marks so that people can see I’m quoting but I guess I wasn’t explicit enough. I don’t believe that the majority of pols are greedy and corrupt but there are some. I also happen to believe that there was a lot more greed and corruption from Dick Cheney and his relationship with Halliburton and it’s subsidiaries during the Iraq war, than the non-payment of a few hundred thousand in total income taxes. Let’s have a little perspective here.

          And there’s going to be another election in 4 years. You can seethe until then I’m sure.

  • Concerned

    Michelle Obama has outwardly stated she was proud of her country for the FIRST time when her husband was nominated to be president. I guess she is twice proud since he is now the president. Obama went to another country to say that we here in America were arrogant, dismissive and even derisive? Wow, I think that says it all. There goes keeping America’s integrity. I guess you would have to have some to give some.

  • Concerned

    When Obama:
    Spent more money than any person in the history of earth
    Cut military spending and bows to Saudi King Abdullah
    Doesn’t do anything in defiance of Korea’s missile launch other than to turn tail and run
    Wants to bring Gitmo prisoners here and read them their rights (Sarah Palin said he would do that during the campaign)
    Goes to another country to call our country arrogant, dismissive, and derisive.
    Called our returning war vets extremists and a threat to our society, along with anyone who owns a gun or are pro-life
    Meets with friendly handshakes and takes reading material from Hugo Chavez
    Made top secret military interrogation processes public knowledge.
    States we are no longer allowed to say war on terror, now we must say overseas contingency
    Usurp government authoritative decision making to other countries

    I gotta ask the question – What the heck??

    He couldn’t be hired to work for the CIA or FBI due to his former associations with Bill Ayers and others. But as long as you’re a natural born citizen, you can become president?
    Wow, and even that is being questioned.

    • thinker

      Not bad. You bring up some issues that are important to you. Response:

      Money – I’m not sure his spending to get us out of the current deep recession is any more than would have been approved (and was initially) by a republican administration – basic economics are fairly non-partisan – when faced with a deflationary spiral – the only way out is monetary and fiscal stimulus. We learned that the hard way back in the 30′s and there’s not a lot of economists of ANY political stripe that will disagree. The only questions to be asked are whether the programs are designed as efficiently as possible to avoid waste and seepage. I haven’t seen anyone on here with credentials that can even understand these concepts much less argue them.

      Cut Military Spending – Do you have any idea what our military spending did to the economy over the past 7 years. By itself it was a prime instigator of the current economic malaise we find ourselves in. Couple that with ineffectual tax cuts designed to help Bush’s rich cronies and Haliburton corporations and we completely reversed the surplus that was left when Clinton left office. Now it is true that the US is going to leave Iraq. Hooray… about freaking time we left… so many of our young killed and maimed for no reason except for George W to go to his dad and say that he finished it. What a freaking waste. And we totally screwed up Afghanistan by focussing on Iraq. Now we have to go back there and refight what was already almost won. Again Obama is fixing George’s f@#$ups.

      Closing Gitmo – It should have never come to this. Except that it did. Again George – what kind of country do we believe in and how far away from that ideal did he take us. We have to regain our moral high ground.

      Arrogance and derisiveness – Guess what, WE ARE. We became that way under George and lost ALL of our respect with the rest of the world. We need to get it back if we are again to be the leaders of the world. Obama was simply letting the world know that we are again prepared to work with it. Judging by the world’s enthusiastically positive response, I think he handled it right.

      As far as the issue of top secret military interrogation techniques – give your head a shake – our country is not Nazi Germany where we hide illegalities from the population. Torture is illegal and was hidden for years by Bush.

      • tom

        well now i get my chance. why are we arguing with this guy??? he is obviously not in touch with reality. if he can’t see this country is in deep dodo with what obama and the dems are doing then god help us all, it makes you wonder how many more like him are out there. bet he was never in the military and has no idea of what freedom really is. He just does not get it!
        all of this started back in the clinton administration then went to george and now our non american born president is putting his country down if you or i did it we would be termed traitors. he is in for a rude awakening very soon.

  • Mad*Dog

    L@@k I’ll say it the way it should be said ” United We Stand Devided We Fall ” ……………OBAMA YOUR FIRED**

    Over educated
    Black man
    Aggravates and
    Missleads
    American people

    And Thinker if the BEST YOU CAN DO IS TO ATTACK SOME ONES MOTHER YOU MUST BE A VERY SMALL PERSON!!

    • thinker

      You almost had a haiku. Try this instead:

      Educated Black
      Man Aggravates and Misleads
      American People

      ohhh, the poetry of it all. You a funny man. Must have a funny mother. Too bad she not abort early…. or late

    • thinker

      The “best” I can do is to respond to actual logical arguments and opinions. If faced however with name calling bigotry and hate-mongering from trailer trash high school dropouts, I’ll respond in kind. Your own comments are Klannish and racist… you suggest that Black people should only be allowed a limited education. AS far as the comments on “aggravates and misleads”, I have yet to see ANY politician of any stripe in any country where some segment of the population did not feel the way you do. Chill dude and go back to your cross-burning.

  • Dale

    “thinker”,
    you just stated that you would “respond in kind” to
    insults or attacks if you are called names first. But if
    you look back at YOUR FIRST POST you were the
    one making ASSumptions about people being drug
    addicts or questioning their sanity. You’ve also derided
    people based on their religious faith, their potential
    living conditions…shall I give your entire list of insults?

    Some of which probably weren’t called for. At least,
    that is, if you were a mature adult. Someone called you
    a “bully” earlier. But I get the sense that you were not
    the physical bully in grade school, but the verbal bully.
    Which is probably what got you beated up my the less
    intellectual physical bullies. The returned insults also
    makes you intellectually dishonest, if not intellectually
    inferior. If there was such a thing as a self actualization
    mirror, I’d get you one so that you could see that your
    arguments might hold more weight, should you not FEEL
    the need to return insult for insult. Isn’t that what gang
    members and warlords do? We don’t need people like
    you in the debate unless you ( and everyone else ) can
    debate the issues in a logical and civil manner. I’ve
    actually agreed with you on a few things. But your
    bitter, back biting, insulting manner makes me “think”
    that you are emoting more than you’re actually thinking.

    • thinker

      Dude… the guy was nuts. the language was over the top, the statement was so far out there that Star Trek hasn’t even got there yet (lame joke). My comment was a little bit of satire not meant as a direct insult but more to offset the alarmist nature of his comments…. freaked out, meth headed was simply a combined adjective I cooked up spur of the moment because I thought it correlated well with the alarm. You don’t have to agree. You can believe the sky is falling. Should I use a Chicken Little reference or would you see that as an insult too.

      And I just love that little bit of analysis. Do you have a couch I can lay on.

      Dude – what passes for debate so far on this site is several people saying they agree with each other. I have responded to those that provide logical arguments with similarly respectful arguments back. Now what have you added… other than to deride me.

  • Lyn

    Thinker is an internet troll. Maybe he’s self appointed. Maybe he’s employed. His purpose is to disrupt not to persuade. He doesn’t want to argue facts. He wants to dominate discussion and provoke response. Trolls and a lot of other liberal folks believe that intellect is the most important currency there is. They believe they have superior intellect and can prove what is true. They tend to deify logic and science and denigrate God. Thinker most likely is an atheist. He doesn’t believe in God. He believes he is God. He believes his intellect is the center of the universe and it enables and entitles him to dictate what is true. Like other scientists who start with an hypothesis, he fails to notice that his hypothesis is actually a guess. But he proceeds to defend it passionately because his passion is really about defending and promoting his own ego not truth. Thinker has spent a lot of time and energy on this site today promoting his hypothesis that Obama is good for America. Most of the others on this site understand that Obama is not good for America. Don’t engage Troll Thinker and try to tell him why. He doesn’t care about America. He cares about himself and promoting his own ego and/or making some money by trolling.

    • thinker

      Lyn, instead of spending a whole half page deriding me personally, why dont you look at the facts and statements I have posited and indicate which ones you disagree with. Was it my assessment of the subprime mortgage debacle, or my analysis of what the administration has done so far to reverse 8 years of Bush mistakes, or maybe you disagree with my statement that the nation is becoming less polarized between left and right and people seem to be working better together. Or any of the other actual analysis I’ve provided…. but that’s probably too much to read and your ADD kicks in so fast. Much easier to just pipe up an insult and join the mob.

  • http://libertyalert Molly

    If Obama cared about education and poor people, do you think he would be killing the school voucher program in DC, it works and he is shutting it down. If Obama was as intelligent as thinker assumes, then how does he do the math on 9 trillion dollars and expect to sustains it.
    3.4 trillion budget
    787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment
    410 billion omnibus
    350 billion tarp 2nd payment
    75 billion mortgage relief fund
    Cap and burn
    Universal Health Care
    Buying GM and firing the CEO
    Paying back the unions
    Torture memo’s released on Bush and he is still frothing it
    Tax Cheat Geithner, Daschle, Sebilius
    The Chicago Maffia has entered the Whitehouse

    • thinker

      Molly, for the part of your statement where you actually provide a cogent argument, you have a point. School vouchers are an issue which has been fought between the left and right for many years since Reagan and there are good arguments on both sides. I don’t know why Obama is shutting it down. It would be a very good case study on this site to go through the pros and cons and what he wanted to accomplish. I don’t believe in evil people (for the most part) and am pretty sure that most want to do something good.

      As for the rest of your statement – it’s fraught with open comments that are supposed to mean something? I’m not sure what you mean by doing the math and am pretty sure that over time it decreases as the reborn economy starts paying dividends. Also keep in mind that the impact to a federal budget in a recession is not just the new spending and monetary stimuli but the decline in overall government revenues from lower tax levels because income has been impacted so much.

  • Disgusted

    I guess Thinker would rather fall down at the feet of Obama and worship him. We should have known Obabma could not be trusted. The first promise he broke was to accept government funding for the election. He changed his mind when he found out how much money he could raise. He has been dishonest ever since. If you want to be a puppet on a string, so be it, but I will fight to keep my independence.

    • http://libertyalert Molly

      Yea it is sad that they cannot see the light. Yes I agree with you completely.

    • thinker

      He “promised” to take taxpayer money. And then he reneged. Oh boy… Seems to me that backwoods boys like you would be happy about not having to fund his campaign. Just can’t win with you guys!!! LMAO

  • http://libertyalert Molly

    my comments were not open they are factual statements. I do believe that the economy will be reborn into more redistribution of wealth. Do the math means how can he sustain this type of outrageous spending. The market will stabilize and then will tank again, i do not see us getting out of the recession anytime soon, with a 6.1% contraction of the economy since Obama took office is a true sign that the markets do not like Obama, especially since he fired a private corporation employee. The chinese will not even buy our debt and are buying gold at an enormous rate, since we have nothing backing our dollars. They are printing money at the fed this will cause massive inflation. I do not agree with any of Obama’s policies, lets see what his rating is when and if he lets the Gitmo detainees loose and used taxpayer money to fund their new life. This will outrage most average American. Tax cuts increase money to the fed, but being an Obama supporter I am sure you do not believe that, it has only been 100 days and already I am sick of him and congress stealing our tax payer money and spending it in ways that I do not agree with. This is what I call legal plunder from Obama and congress, yes it started with Bush. I for one have had enough. They cannot decide what is best for my money only I can decide that. I will not just hand over my freedoms to a person who Hates America he has apologized all over the world for our actions and when countries are in need who helps them the USA that is who. I pray to God everynight to change his heart, because what is in his heart is a way of life that I do not agree with.

    • Lyn

      Molly, thank you for praying. I pray too. There is so much corruption in our government and we have moved so far away from what our founding fathers intended when they wrote the Constitution. The founders knew the corrupting force of power and money and designed a system of checks and balances to contain it. However, We The People are part of those checks and balances and we have been asleep for a long time. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Obama and his administration want absolute power. These words from the Declaration of Independence hold true:
      “…when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them (the People) under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new Guards for their future security…”
      If we as a people want the fruits of democracy, we must renew our commitment to its responsibilities. I pray for hearts to be changed also.

    • thinker

      Molly…

      First the market was already tanking way before Obama got in and has absolutely nothing to do with his policies since getting into office except potentially with the stabilization of the financial community. Second, with a recession / depression of this magnitude you need fiscal and monetary stimulus to get out of it, otherwise you run the risk of making it worse. Handled correctly, the stimuli is paid down pretty quickly… look at the Clinton paying back the deficit after the 1980′s recession. Thirdly – with monetary and fiscal stimulus of the amount we are talking about, there is a good chance we will have a second recession with 36 months of getting out of this one. It won’t be as bad but historically its like an aftershock.

      And to all you freaking nutcases out there that are ragging on the ability of our government to request changes to a corporation requesting our tax dollars – give your head a shake. We took a stake in the company. We own a big piece of it… shouldn’t we be able to say a little bit about how it’s run. Oh I forgot, they can do it so much better on their own. GM didn’t really lose $100 billion, they’re just saying that to help out their negotiations. For some reason, people a lot closer to the negotiations than you, thought the process would go better if Waggoner was not head of GM. These people are entrusted to make that decision and have a lot more facts at their disposal than you do …. so either make a case why he shouldn’t have been told to leave or shut up. This is not an ideological argument.

      And Molly, what do you know about the Chinese and their holdings of US dollars. They say a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Well it appears you’re holding an atomic bomb. Lets get to facts. The Chinese own over $1 Trillion of us currency in reserve. Their primary fear is that we will do something to devalue their holdings. If we spend too much money on programs or print too much new currency, our dollar depreciates relative to other currencies they trade in like the Euro. Also if we depreciate our currency, the value of their exports increases and costs go up at Walmart. That means you spend less on Chinese stuff and more on American products.. It also means American goods are more competitive abroad and will increase employment at home. That is why the Chinese are worried about some of our economic stimuli. They don’t have too many choices though and would like to slowly wean themselves away from this situation. It’s like walking a tight-rope and every move they make or we make has to be very carefully made. That’s why they say things like they’d like the world to consider an alternate major currency.

      While I’m certain you would like to lash out anyone convenient for the current state of the economy, most economists are pretty firmly on the side of the administration… I should rephrase that – the administration is generally following the advice of most economists as any administration would, including the previous war criminal president.

      As for inflation from “Quantitative Easing”, you’re right, that is a risk. I’m not going to sugar coat it. The risk of not using Quantitative Easing though is absolutely certain deflation. And judging from the impact to Japan over the past fifteen years, most people are absolutely terrified of deflation. I know it sounds like it might not be that bad. Hey my refrigerator’s getting cheaper. But if you apply that to an entire economy with sticky costs such as labor, utilities, taxes… all of a sudden you have an entire country in a death dive. Guaranteed. That’s what most economists are more worried about than inflation. The analogy between inflation and deflation is like fission nuclear energy vs fusion. The first you can control, but not the latter.

      I take it you don’t agree with his efforts to get back over $500 billion of taxes that American and multinational corporations hide overseas every year, or his reversal of the stem cell ban which will bring billions of dollars of research back to the US and help millions of people with debilitating diseases.

      Where the people have to be vigilent is not in what they perceive as the BIG things but in the little details. For instance, both cons and liberals wanted to save GM and Chrysler in December so we created a debt facility for them. However, nobody checked the fine print or cared where our priority was. It turns out that senior debt-holders had priority over our emergency funding vehicle and there’s a good chance we’ll lose a little bit of our initial investment in them. Those are the kind of details we need to watch. They have nothing to do with whether the big guy is white or black.

  • s c

    So much for 100 days, America. Obama and his loser flunkies can’t walk on water (duhhhhh). Obama’s chief cheerleader [Queen Pelosi] is close to learning the cost of loving lies over the truth. A healthy dose of SOCIAL JUSTICE is coming, people. Incompetent appointees, a Gestapo-like FCC, weak-kneed turncoats and converts, psychotic liars, advisors who belong behind bars and an insane drive to spend America into perpetual debt and slavery. Only bottom-feeders would call this a legacy. Turn on the spotlights, America. True transparency is a wonderful thing!

    • rodin

      s c: I am truly in awe from the strength of your arguments, the magnificent logic you display, the carefully honed facts and the brilliant conclusions you draw. You must have eaten your coco puffs this morning, with a corn whiskey chaser.

      I cannot believe this is what passes for intelligent discourse. All you have managed to do in 8 lines of blog is mentally masturbate yourself with extreme hyperbole and rhetoric. Throw in a couple of dire warnings and a call to action for the faithful and ….that’s it. You sir are a mental giant. Although I suspect the other elementary students are cheering for you. What’s next – banjo playing?

  • LAConfidential

    First things first – in every bunch you always have ‘the one’ – you know, the one that views life as skewed as humanly possible, yet thinks that he has it ALL figured out. In this forum, we will call him “Thinker”.

    Secondly, for the term “Conservatives are also increasingly worried about what appears to be an erosion of the system of checks and balances in Washington.”, I would like to state that there is extremely little left of the checks and balances that were installed into our government. It was the Supreme Court’s job to investigate Mr. Obama’s background to ensure that he met the qualifications for POTUS as is stated within Article II, Section I of the Constitution of the United States – namely the candidate must be born on American Soil. For all of you screaming liberal yahoos out there – Sorry, there are just certain things that intelligent people don’t assume. Official Birth Certificates are legal documents and should be made public if running for a public office, ESPECIALLY for one as notable as POTUS. The ‘fact’ that the Democratic party ‘vetted’ Obama is NOT sufficient and should not be forced to be plainly accepted.

    The fact that Obama was arrogant enough to refuse court’s requests to provide the evidence and the additional arrogance of the US Supreme Court to fail to ensure that we had a viable candidate only proves one thing. Our country has been hijacked and we are now facing a royal screwing for allowing it to happen.

    If you want to get a conservative ticked off, tell him a lie.
    If you want to get a liberal ticked off, tell him the truth.

    While the conservative/liberal paradigm exists to some extent, there is no real difference between Democrats and Republicans as to the agenda that they continue. Has there been any real differences (other than a few minor obligatory changes – pacification to the constituent cattle) between major policy between the last administration through this one? You won’t either. The agenda continues from Republican to Democrats. There’s just enough change to where people PERCEIVE there to be a difference, but not enough to ALLOW for any radical changes.

    That is why the media is used as a tool to discourage any viable candidate from a third party from becoming POTUS. Unfortunately, the need for a candidate from a third party is exactly what this country needs in order to take it back from the usurpers.

    • Dale

      “If you want to get a conservative ticked off, tell him a lie.
      If you want to get a liberal ticked off, tell him the truth.”

      RIGHT ON BRO!

  • s c

    Years ago, Obama’s Supreme Court nominee understood what was needed to render a credible opinion [the Consititution is the technical manual. keep a leash on your emotions]. Over the years, political influence seems to have changed that. Are we looking at yet another judge who “prefers” the touchy-feely, screw the facts and the Constitution, p c on-steroids model?
    If this happens, America will have a Supreme Court that has no use for functional checks-and-balances. Judges don’t have to be conservative to render valid, first-rate legal opinions. It does help if judges have more common sense than politically-motivated emotions. It would help even more if the White House wasn’t the seat of social engineering.

  • s c

    After 100+ days, is our economy better, or are we hearing what we want to hear? Has Congress gone after EVERYONE who caused our financial disasters? Is Detroit better off, or is Detroit on a delayed waiting-to-die list? Are your dollars worth having? America, your freedoms are disappearing. America can’t be free and enslaved. America will be free OR enslaved. It’s one thing for freedom to be taken
    away. It’s something else to smile and surrender our freedom to those who want slaves. These new “masters” do not love us. They hate us. They hate freedom.
    They are America’s new slave-owners. Slavery was wrong in Lincoln’s day. How can any citizen or leader think it’s “right” now?

  • s c

    Is Rod Serling writing for the new pres? 150+ days into this travesty, and now it’s OK for states to have unqualified voters [AND even DEAD voters], the government “owns” GM, and life is now beautiful. We’re supposed to ‘sacrifice’ for the next generation? WHEN do our ‘leaders’ start to sacrifice? Until our ‘leaders’ learn how to sacrifice, we will never run out of people who will gladly tell these half-f@$$^* non-leaders ‘what they can do with it’ and exactly ‘how’ to fo it (assuming that they
    can read and/or understand English).

  • Biff

    Thats OK Thinker….haha Thinker, what a joke! Anyway, you will be the first kind of garbage addressed during a Revolution!

  • s c

    B O’s ratings are continuing to FALL, TARP funds aren’t doing ‘as promised,’ and his chief side-kick (Immanuel) dared to say that they ‘recued the economy.’ All it takes to disprove this crap is the answer to a single question. Did B O create 6 million jobs? The answer is NO! These losers practice and preach LIES.
    Why is B O is so sensitive about his ears? He should be more concerned with what’s not between those ears. His czars would have been great as thugs and criminals during the Bolshevik
    Revolution. Back then, B O could have been a replacement for Comrade Lenin. Gee, what a legacy he could have had.

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