Yes, We Can Abolish the IRS


Jay Leno knows what his audience likes to hear. In his opening monologue last week, the “Tonight Show” host had a wonderful suggestion on how we should deal with the Internal Revenue Service:

“President Obama says he’s renewing his efforts to close Guantanamo Bay. Guantanamo Bay? How about closing the IRS? Why don’t we do that?”

The reaction, you won’t be surprised to hear, was thunderous applause. So Jay offered a follow-up suggestion: “How about shipping the IRS to Guantanamo Bay?” The laughs and applause were long and loud.

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OK, let’s admit we’re not going to ship America’s most unpopular agency to a remote corner of Cuba — as attractive as the idea might be. But let’s not overlook the incredible opportunity we’re being given here.

Bless their arrogant little hearts. By spending taxpayers’ money so foolishly, and targeting conservative and patriotic groups for special scrutiny, the bureaucrats at the IRS have given us the best opportunity in years to rein in their power.

Rein it in? Heck, how about launching a national campaign to abolish this odious agency once and for all?

I’m not kidding. The scandals embroiling this detested agency have presented us with a tremendous opportunity to expand the debate from the IRS’s misbehavior and instead put the emphasis on an issue that could truly transform this country: Let’s replace the income tax with something a whole lot simpler and fairer. That’s the best way to abolish the IRS.

Everybody admits that the present tax system is an abomination. The tax code is so complicated that it is virtually impossible for the average taxpayer to understand. But that’s just the least of the objections to it.

The graduated income tax is an essential part of the plot to transform our free and independent Republic into a socialistic state. Very few Americans are aware that a graduated income tax was one of Karl Marx’s essential recommendations to create a communist society. In fact, a heavy progressive or graduated income tax is the second plank of his Communist Manifesto.

Long before the present scandals erupted, the IRS was the most hated and feared agency of the U.S. government. It’s easy to understand why. What other agency can grab your bank account, padlock your business or seize your property (including your home) without even bothering to get a court order?

President Ronald Reagan’ son, Michael Reagan, put it very well when he wrote in a recent column:

The federal income tax code deserves the death penalty for a lot of good reasons. It’s unfair, overly complex, horribly politicized, harmful to individuals and the economy, helpful to the forces of big government, and impossible to understand without a CPA.

It’s also a costly waste of money and time. Just complying with our unnecessarily (but deliberately) complicated federal tax system costs Americans about $430 billion a year, according to economist Arthur Laffer.

Right. So how do we convert the present anger about IRS abuses into an effective national campaign to abolish the IRS? We need to make it an issue — maybe the issue — of next year’s national elections.

Remember, every seat in the House of Representatives will be at stake in 2014. Barack Obama has already promised to do everything in his power to see that Democrats regain a majority there.

I shudder to think what will happen to this country if he succeeds. Can you imagine what it will be like if Nancy Pelosi wins back her title as Speaker of the House of Representatives?

Needless to say, the left will pull out all of the stops to campaign against “the rich.” We’re about to see some of the nastiest, most scurrilous campaigns in history. They’ll make the “Granny Off The Cliff” commercials from the last go-around seem mild by comparison.

But there is one issue that will appeal to every working American: curbing the outrageous abuses of the IRS. Eliminating the graduated income tax is the best way — in fact, the only way — to do so.

The two most popular proposals out there to replace the present tax system are the flat tax and the FairTax. The former would impose a simple flat-tax percentage on all incomes, with only a few deductions still allowed. The latter would replace an income tax with a national sales tax.

Which one should we favor? I like what Reagan had to say about this argument:

If my father Ronald Reagan were around today, I know what he’d do.

He’d do exactly what I’d do — get the flat-taxers and the fair-taxers together in a room and have them hash out a single tax reform program to sell to the American people.

The Flat Tax and the Fair Tax each have pluses and minuses that need to be debated. But in the end it really doesn’t matter which idea triumphs.

America and all Americans would be better off with either one. Either would eliminate the progressive tax system and make federal taxes simpler, fairer, smarter, and apolitical. And, best of all, either one would kill the IRS as we know it — forever.

I can’t think of anything that would do more to help our economy than eliminating the progressive income tax. Existing businesses would expand. New businesses would be started. Millions of new jobs would be created.

No longer would April 15 represent a dreaded national nightmare. Instead, your tax obligation would be easy to calculate and reasonable to pay. Our savings in time, effort and anguish would be enormous.

Instead of a system built on fear and intimidation, we would be proud to have helped to create one that is simple, reasonable and fair.

Replacing the present system won’t be easy. But our enemies have given us an incredible opportunity to go on the offensive against the monstrosity they have birthed. Let’s take full advantage of it.

Leno had the right idea — and his audience loved it. Let’s seize the day. After all, we have nothing to lose but our chains.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Personal Liberty

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Jurgy

    but but but … what about all those poor CPAs that would be put out of business …

    • Wyatt Hill

      F’ em let them eat cake !!!

      • KG

        The best response I’ve heard!!!

    • FreedomFighter

      They could switch to helping companies make more money in the market, instead of finding ways to pay less tax.

      Laus Deo

      Semper FI

  • Rosco1776

    I liked Ron Paul’s no income tax plan! Reduce the government spending to just a 1990’s budget and we could eliminate the income tax! ;)

    • KG

      Well then, give up the computers and the Internet as well. People in the 1700’s payed little tax, but had to take a crap in a privi.

      • TheOriginalDaveH


        We would be much more advanced now, if not for the stifling weight of Big Government. All one need do is see the results of Big Government in this ranking of nations by Economic Freedom:

        • KG

          If it were not for the federal money spent in expanding the Internet to schools, which was spearheaded by then senator Al Gore, we wouldn’t have the Internet we have today. Even then, the Republicans said “who’s gonna use this? This is a waste of taxpayer money.” But look at the result of a little bit of federal spending. I can insult thousands of people in mere seconds. And the religious right preverts can download gay porn all they want!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Purely conjecture, KG.
            I supplied real evidence for my claim. What do you supply except lip-service?

          • KG

            That’s not conjecture, that’s the facts. So when Al Gore said he invented the Internet, he wasn’t lying.

            Just remember, when ever someone sees heritage. org, they see that fat, evil, liar Jerry Falwell. Ya know, the founder of the imMoral Minority?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I don’t know what the ignorant people, who would listen to anything you have to say, KG, see when they see I keep my distance from those kind of people.
            But here’s another site with the same real message:

            Whoever is paying you is wasting their money, KG. My 13 year old grandson can make more intelligent arguments.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And have you noticed, readers, how Socialist Progressives like KG, instead of refuting the facts, will instead typically go for ridicule and other ad hominem attacks?
            Of course there’s a reason for that — They have no valid arguments with which to support the political system that they advocate. All they have is grade-school manipulative tactics. It’s amazing that they’ve gotten as far as they have, which doesn’t say much for a large portion of our society who, instead of using their brains, use their baser instincts to get through life.
            It’s very likely that, like an alcoholic, our country will have to hit bottom before those kind of people finally wake up (if ever). It’s too bad it has to be that way.

          • KG

            And have you noticed, readers, how Right wing conservative fascists like TheOrigionalDaveH wrap themselves up in the American flag, claim to be ‘patriots’ and christian, and, yet, look forward to the destruction of our country? At least I would like to see a country where my grand kids can go to daycare without having to worry about some gun nut coming in and blowing them all away.

            No, sir, YOU are the ‘alcoholic’ out of control. You would think after 30 years of ‘tax cuts’ he would finally admit that they do nothing but keep the rich getting richer at the expense of working class Americans.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Vigilant already exposed your ignorance of actual tax payments, KG, so I won’t bother repeating it.
            The gun issue? A typical tangential argument by a Socialist which has nothing to do the current topics.
            Destruction of our country? Obviously, you didn’t bother reading the rankings that I supplied above, or you would know that the size of Government is inversely proportional to the size of the economy.
            You know what’s odd, KG? Flashman used to argue very similarly to your nonsense. Are you just another personality or do you guys have the same trainers?

          • KG

            Since America has a rich history of great liberal teachers and thinkers, I would imagine that many similar arguments have been made by people much better than me. However, all I have to do is listen to Rushbo for a few minutes, and all I hear are the same old tired Randian/Catholicism conflation that drives your fascist fantasy of a Plutocracy for America.

            Yes,”Government is inversely proportional to the size of the economy”, thanks to the military/industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us of. And that didn’t stop Raygun from spending the Soviets into submission. But, gubment is no good unless people of your ilk are in power trying to destroy it through tax cuts that only benefit the rich and powerful.

            You want to see real economic recovery? Then start paying everyone more. That’s the real problem in America. The real drivers of our economy, the American citizen, has been slowly bleed to death by greedy corporations who are more profitable than ever. That’s why I am a staunch supporter of Labor Unions. They are the only protection that the workers (proletarians) have against greedy Business owners (petit bourgeoise).

            America is great when her workers are great.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You can “insult thousands of of people in mere seconds”, KG?
            You need to have some credibility to insult people, KG.

          • vicki

            You also need people who are willing to give you that much power over them.

          • vicki

            False premise that the internet needed Big government to exist.

            Ever here of usenet? If so you would know quite well that insulting thousands of people in mere seconds was trivial. It was called “flame wars” back then.

          • KG

            AFK BRB LOL!

      • vicki

        Why would we have to give up computers and the internet just because we have government stop spending so much money?

        • KG

          Because without the billions of dollars we spent on the Space Program in the 60’s, we wouldn’t have those inventions.

          So gubment aint done nobody any good?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More nonsense from KG.
            Without the billions of dollars wasted on the Space Program, we would have had far more consumer-oriented innovations.
            It seems odd to me, KG, that you pretend to be a champion of the little people, yet have such contempt for how they would spend their own money. They certainly wouldn’t spend it on a Space Program, if they had a choice.

          • vicki

            Pure speculation. Private industry invented many many things and would continue to do so without government meddling in which inventions profit and which do not.

          • Bob666

            No Vicki,
            I believe the boy is correct on this one.

          • vicki

            You can believe anything you want. Having been aware of MANY inventions that did not come from government bribes I am quite certain of my point.

          • Bob666

            Now Vicki,
            One word, Tang!

            Thank you and good night.

          • vicki

            You’re welcome. Good night.

          • KG

            This is called ‘investing in the future’. And unlike ‘private’ inventions ( which, in reality, do not exist for almost all research is done by publicly funded institutions like universities) these inventions were created for the good of us all.

  • Sam

    Yes we can abolish the IRS and help our economy immensely. Even Russia
    opted for a flat tax when the USSR fell apart and business has boomed as a result. There is not one American outside the IRS that does not fear the IRS. The IRS can murder with impunity. Now is the time. Attack, Attack Attack.

    • KG

      I would be willing to wager that you see yourself as a ‘patriot’. Yet you espouse rebellion against our government. What do they call someone who was loyal to their country and then works to destroy it? There was a man named Benedict……

      • FreedomFighter

        Who owns the FED KG? The own the IRS. NOT OUR GOVERNMENT.

        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

        • KG

          Who owns America? According to the constitution WE do. Well, at least the People that really care about it. However, people like you have already given up on the idea, so why fight it? I mean, I’m guessing that G-ds going to ‘rapture’ you out of here, so why bother?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You know nothing about the mindset of the people who Founded our Constitution, KG. They certainly wouldn’t have condoned a Commie-loving Union Bully like yourself.

          • Gary

            A progressive graduated income tax has nothing to do with the idea of America. Abolishing it is not giving up on America, but bringing her back to the original idea. And speaking out against your government is not treasonous.

      • Vigilant

        “What do they call someone who was loyal to their country and then works to destroy it?” A politician

        • CatGman

          You beat me to the punch Vigilant. Excellent answer!

        • vicki

          well said :)

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        So, KG, are you telling us that you decry the Russian and Chinese Revolutions?
        Can’t wait to hear your Commie spin on that.

        • KG

          When did I claim that? It is you, sir, that are forcing words out of my keyboard.

          I decry hypocrites, as well as unenlightened people spreading lies as truth.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As expected, a circuitous answer.
            KG says — “I decry hypocrites”.
            Then you must decry yourself, KG, because you are more fitting of the description “hypocrite” than any other commenter.
            Imagine that, a guy who complains about company officers taking advantage of him, but then advocates forcing his way on them. How do you live with yourself, KG?
            If I thought like you, KG, I would be embarrassed to have others witness my foolishness.

          • KG

            Who is responsible for producing the labor to make those company officers profits? They would have no profits if it were not for the labor of the proletarians. So, by demanding higher wages, all I am doing is reacquiring that which belonged to me in the first place. Since I have no resources other than the time I spend working. I sell time, chunks of my own life, to earn wages to live on.

          • Charlie

            It’s called “”Contract”””law,,,it’s in The Bible,,.you agreed to the pay when you hired in ,,, then ask for more later and did not get more,,,what are your options ? get Fired, Quit….. by by KG,, go down the road talking to yourself…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If you are responsible for their profits, then you should have no trouble starting your own company and cutting out those middle-men.

          • vicki

            You decry yourself then? How does that work?

      • Charlie

        Read The Declaration of Independence,,, yes,,,it’s part of The Constitution…. Then Read The First Commandment … The CEG IS NOT God, nor is the IRS… CEG,,,corrupt evil government……………………………………………………………

      • vicki

        Rebellion against a government that no longer even pretends to honor the Constitution is not disloyalty to their country.

        • KG

          Tell me, exactly, what violation of the Constitution has occurred?

  • KG

    A flat tax is one of the most regressive taxes you can have. It’s similar to a sales tax in that the people who need more resources pay the most while the people with the most income pay the least, and, yet, use more commonwealth resources than the poor. The only really ‘fair’ tax is the graduated income tax. The problem is that so many ‘tax shelters’ have been contrived that the truly wealthy pay almost nothing in tax while the poor get hit with not only an income tax, but high local taxes that have increased due to a lack of federal funding. It’s only a rich person who would want to abolish the IRS. Gee, I wonder why?

    Revelation 3
    King James Version (KJV)
    17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

    19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

    • Vigilant

      Tell us something, KG. When you come on this site with your incessant communist drivel, do you really expect anyone to convert to your way of thinking?

      • WTS/JAY

        KG, is known by many names. He has been called a communist, a fascist, a socialist, a tool, a fool, an idiot…and so forth along those lines. And although KG wears all those labels well, unfortunately they do not come close enough in describing what, and who, is KG.

        Let Alistair Young shed a little light and reveal KG’s identity…

        The Usenet troll (Trollicus useneticus bloodyirritatingus) is an evil mental parasite found in all areas of Usenet, where it preys upon the brains of lusers (Homo stultissimus).

        Most clueful people avoid these creatures, since Usenet trolls know no fear and attack unceasingly, demanding responses from their prey.

        Usenet trolls are immune to flames (Flammae useneticae), which is unfortunate, as most will try to attack them with these first. In fact, when a troll is attacked flames, it will actually be able to use these flames to create more, which it will hurl back at its unfortunate attacker. Long-lived trolls may be able to render an entire newsgroup uninhabitable with all the flames it creates.

        The only form of attack a troll has is its ability to incite responses, which it needs to feed from; hence, the best way to defend yourself against a troll is simply to ignore it. Deprived of nourishment, it will soon starve.

        Ancient legends (found in The Book of 1036) hint that a
        Usenet troll may be vulnerable to the Spell of Cancellation,
        but this powerful incantation would have to be applied swiftly after the troll’s birth; once engaged in battle, few survive unscathed. -Alistair Young

        Statistics for the Usenet Troll:

        Climate/Terrain: Any Usenet

        Frequency: Common

        Organization: Thread

        Activity cycle: Any

        Diet: Lusers(see definition)

        Intelligence: Low (3-5)

        Treasure: None

        Alignment: Chaotic evil

        No. Appearing: 1

        Armour Class: n/a

        Movement: ‘c’

        Hit Dice: 100

        THAC0: n/a

        No. of Attacks: n/a

        Damage/Attack: n/a

        Special Attacks: See

        Special Defences: See

        Magic Resistance: 100%

        Size: Exists as mental force

        Morale: Elite (14)

        XP Value: 1,800

    • Vigilant

      KG says, “The problem is that so many ‘tax shelters’ have been contrived that the truly wealthy pay almost nothing in tax while the poor get hit with not only an income tax, but high local taxes that have increased due to a lack of federal funding.”

      What a crock of sh*t.

      The “truly wealthy” pay the lion’s share of the taxes in this country. tax shelters or no. The top 10% pay over 70% of the taxes, and the poor pay nothing. So much for your pack of lies.

      • TheOriginalDaveH
      • KG

        You can’t look at total tax receipts. You have to look at the percentage of income is paid in taxes to get a real picture of what’s going on here.

        If I make $600 a week, My effective tax rate (including sales tax, property tax etc) is probably around 50% of my total income. Someone who makes $6000 a week – most of it from investments and cash flow from a business (which is probably deferred until a bad quarter) . If he does it right, he will pay less than 5% of his total income in taxes. So, tell me, who is really paying the taxes?

        Don’t forget the regressive local taxes like sales tax and property tax. These disproportionately hit the lower classes.

        • Vigilant

          It’s obvious that KG flunked basic mathematics in school.

          It doesn’t matter what anecdotal “evidence” you present, here are the FACTS:

          Almost 50% of the people pay NO TAXES AT ALL in this country. 70% of the taxes are paid by 10% of the people in this country. THOSE are the people who are “really paying the taxes.”

          Income taxes were established as a wealth redistribution mechanism. They are meeting their socialist objective just fine.

          • KG

            quote: “Income taxes were established as a wealth redistribution mechanism. They are meeting their socialist objective just fine.”

            Thank G-d! Or we would have many more poor people than we have now. However, If those workers got together and demanded higher wages and benefits, we could have even more prosperity. And more of a tax base to support our government. But you don’t believe in our government, do you? You really think that if everyone in America were a selfish basturd, then we would have prosperity. However, that’s not how our Founding Fathers saw it. Just read the preamble to the Constitution and you will see the society they dreamed for us.

          • Vigilant

            “But you don’t believe in our government, do you?”

            KG, you never tire of dragging out the same old failed communist philosophies and attempting to convince us that the Founders were socialists. They were decidedly NOT.

            The Preamble (1) is just that, an introduction that has no force of law, and (2) IN NO WAY envisions a welfare state You’ve been corrected so many times on this, yet you studiously ignore the FACTS of the Founders’ correspondence and the Federalist Papers, which counsel very much against the establishment of Democracy as a form of government.

            And why? Because they knew damn well that Democracy would ultimately lead to socialism. The unapportioned income tax amendment was a progressive (socialist) measure that turned the founding philosophy on its head.

            “The society they dreamed for us” was anchored in individual sovereignty with maximized freedom, and was dedicated to the all-important proposition of the sanctity of private property. For you to overlay some sort of utopian motive of the Founders is worse than lying; it is a tawdry effort to revise history.

            I have no doubt you will once again refer to the Preamble as you’ve done so many times. A word: You
            convince NO ONE here but yourself. And you can’t change history by simply asserting a falsehood.

          • KG

            I’m sorry if I upset your vision of libertarian “freedom”. I understand that in the days of our ‘founding fathers’ there were no billionaires or banks that couldn’t fail. There was one group that really believed in “individual sovereignty with maximized freedom” for themselves, and no one else. They were the Puritans. However, if any of their womenfolk seemed to enjoy sex too much, they tended to burn them at the stake.

            Despite your denial of commonwealth ideals contained in the Constitution, America has grown into a beacon of hope for the whole world. At least until the republicans got a hold of it and sold all of our manufacturing to the lowest bidder. And involved the US in one of the stupidest wars just to try and corner the oil market for the profit of Halliburton, Exxon Mobile, Dutch Shell, and the Carlyle Group (owned in large part by the Bush dynasty).

            I can understand you passion for America. However, if you really think it was conservative ‘values’ that made it great, I really feel sorry for you. The ‘conservatives’ have been trying to rape this great land of ours since the founding of the Republic. Just ask the plains Indians. They will tell you what ‘capitalism unleashed’ is all about.

          • Vigilant

            Once again, you demonstrate your compulsion to jump on your horse and ride off in four directions at once. If you were physically forced to stay on the topic and argue the specific points brought up. you’d probably kill yourself.

            GET THIS, oh deviant one: the topic was the Preamble to the Constitution and your skewed perceptions of the aims of the Founders. I care not to address the Puritans, Exxon, the Plains Indians, Republicans, Conservatives or the price of tea.

            Don’t try to be cute and hide your welfare state canard under the lofty-sounding but mistaken interpretation of “commonwealth ideals.” I do not deny, I EMPHASIZE AND RESPECT those ideals in the Constitution, which rightly mean, and have always meant, maximization of individual sovereignty and freedom of the individual without encroachment of the state.

            If you had just one shred of decency, you’d read the writings of the Founders. Socialism, communism, welfare statism were as far from their minds as your grasp of reality.

            Your communist argument, and you, are worthless.

          • KG

            I still love you , brother!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As usual, KG, you are issuing useless non sequiturs. The puritans were far away from Libertarians.
            You have no credibility on this board, KG.

          • vicki

            Libertarian freedom does not advocate theft. Libertarians do not need nor want to steal from one group of people to give to another.

          • KG

            Except when it benefits their sycophant toadies like what Pinochet did in Chile to the working class to promote Von Misies vision of fascist economics. And all good ‘libertarians’ worship at the feet of ‘austrian economics’. Like what Stephan Molyneau said “It’s not about freedom, it’s about Morality.” And I have to ask – Whose morality? I mean Adolph Hitler had ‘morals’ as well as Mussolini. Is it their morals? Or maybe the morals of Dick Cheney? I mean he saw no problem profiting from the death of our young soldiers to profit his company, Halliburton?

            Libertarians HATE liberty for anyone else except themselves.

          • vicki

            You obviously know a great deal about those who would rule others and nothing at all about libertarians. Since you are a self admitted troll I do not expect you to learn nor even attempt to learn the obvious foolishness of your opinion but for other readers here is the libertarian website.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You state that “we would have many more poor people than we have now”.
            Do you have any evidence whatever that the Growth of Government has resulted in shrinking the number of impoverished families?
            Government is now 7 times larger than it was in 1900. Has there been a 7 times shrinkage in Poverty?
            Here’s some reality:

            Here are some Poverty Rate charts:

            Note that in 1959, the Federal Government was spending 18.5% of the GDP. In 1970, the Federal Government was spending 18.8% of the GDP. In 2012, the Federal Government was spending 22.5% of the GDP. Yet the poverty rate is higher now than it was in 1970. Clearly increased Federal Government Spending does not correlate with lower Poverty.

          • KG

            And the fact is during that same time, real wages have dropped.


            So, government spending, as well as consumer credit, has offset those missing wages. Ironically, Union membership has declined during the same period. Coincidence?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Real Wages have dropped? But that’s in the face of increased Government Spending. You make no sense, KG.
            Keep flailing, KG, maybe a few ignoramuses will swallow your nonsense.

    • FreedomFighter

      KG – an atheist quoting scripture to make their own point on a blog is repulsive, insincere, and at best contrived and deceptive.

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • KG

        BTW, I am not an atheist. To be an ‘A-Theist’ or someone who believes in the non existence in G-d would have to be G-d in order to make that statement. I’m more of a soft Agnostic – someone who is open to the idea as well as the existence of a deity. However, nothing from so-called ‘believers’ have convinced me of a benevolent czar of the heavens. There are a few exceptions. John Lennon, Che Guevera, Samuel Gompers, Mother Teresa, JFK, Robert Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King, Albert Einstein, Malcolm X, FDR. These people exhibited true love for humanity. How many of these people would brag about their “christian” beliefs? Unlike you.

        • FreedomFighter

          1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
          2: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something
          Read the Bible and you will know GOD by his word. To witness and spread the word of truth is a privilege.
          Laus DeoSemper FI

          • KG

            I have read the sheepherders book, however I’m more confused than ever!!!


            If anyone would take your coat, let him have your shirt as well. Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.
            — Matthew 5:40-42

            Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor.
            — 1 Corinthians 10:24


            Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
            — 1 Samuel 15:3


            So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father [after they got him drunk and seduced him].
            — Genesis 19:36

            And if [God] rescued Lot, a righteous(!) man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men, for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard.
            — 2 Peter 2:7-8


            And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul … Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
            — 1 Samuel 18:1, 3-4, KJV

            I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.
            — 2 Samuel 1:26

          • speedle

            KG, you are clearly a misguided collectivist (read: Communist). You can’t seem to understand the difference between advocating for selflessness and charity versus “stealing” from someone in the name of charity. To be clear “stealing” means officials with guns taking possession of property by force. It must be some kind of missing DNA code in Leftists that make them unable to get the difference. Very strange indeed.

          • Betta

            1 Samuel 18:1, 3-4 was not about homosexuality, KG. David and Jonathan (who was about 40 years old when he met David who was just a young boy when he met Jonathan) loved each other as if they were father and son and as true brothers in the same nation. Not the low, depraved, unnatural homosexual and demonized love some have sought to attach to this story. Theirs was a genuine affection which was pure and normal, as it should be with all men.

            This love, agape (unconditional) love is the type of love that Jesus has for us all.

            You call God a liar when you insinuate that Jonathan and David were homosexual lovers. You not being a believer should be very, very leery of treading in places you do not understand. You could find yourself in a pit.

          • KG

            Pleas tell me, which sin did Christ did NOT die for?

          • Charlie

            Disobedience and rejection of King Jesus Christ and His Law Words… Meanwhile,,, Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • Charlie

            Fools tread where Angels fear to go……………………..

          • Charlie

            Your mind is very small ,,,you failed to harmonize Scriptures , and, see “”Sexless”” Love,,,AND,,, that Amalek was the son of Esau,,,whom God “”Hates”” and has “”Cursed””” Esau Edom and his Lineage ,. FOREVER… See that Malachi 1:1–5……………………………

          • Guest

            It’s kind of funny that the only section you complained about was the ‘homosexual’ one. So, I guess the Bible really does advocate communism. As well as Naziism. Unless there is a suppressed proclivity towards Homosexuality within yourself.

          • Charlie

            Keep guessing , Guest,,, ha haha hahannha……………..

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Only a twisted mind like that of KG could attribute “love for humanity” to a cold-blooded murderer like Che Guevara.

          • KG

            “At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality.”

            “If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
            ― Ernesto Guevara

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What else would I expect from a guy who thinks two wrongs make a right, KG?

          • Charlie

            Yes,,, and the Devil believes and trembles ………………..

        • Betta

          Why even write anything about GOD, KG, if you can’t even type out all three letters of His name? GOD never said you can’t write His name. Must be some new age pagan thing.

        • vicki

          We notice that you do not spell God correctly. Is there a reason for that?

          • KG

            Yes, to aggravate the pseudo christians who claim G-d, and yet deny G-d any power to do what He want’s to.

          • vicki

            Ah KG admits that he is a Troll as well as a communist. How thoughtful.

          • KG

            I’m not a ‘troll’. I’m a crusader for truth and justice.
            BTW, are you hot??? ;)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You wouldn’t know truth, KG, if it bit you in your Commie butt.

    • S.C.Murf

      Your jealousy, envy, greed and slip are showing kg

      up the hill

    • reply

      KGB – since you are a LOST sinner, before you read any verse in the Bible, read John 3:16 and meditate on it. Once you “spiritual eyes” will be open you can understand the rest.
      If you don’t get a new nature, there is nothing you can improve on your sinful nature – you MUST be born again. The corruptible will not inherit the incorruptible – the heaven.
      All the verses you quote will not get you to heaven. The union will not get you to heaven. There is ONLY one way – JESUS

      • KG

        Well, you have adjudged me already – why you must be JESUS!

        Mark 2
        King James Version (KJV)

        7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

        8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?

        • FreedomFighter

          To speak words you don’t even believe in is your trademark KG.

          Laus Deo
          Semper FI

          • KG

            When did I say I didn’t believe the words? Truth has to be acknowledged no mater the source. I think it’s YOU who fears the truth. Truth is the first casualty in war.

      • Charlie

        John 3:16 alone will not get you salvation,,,it must be combined with John 3:5 and John 3:22,,,OR,,, just understand and do Acts 2:38… Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing….

    • Bob666

      Yo KG,

      “A flat tax is one of the most regressive taxes you can have. It’s similar to a sales tax in that the people who need more resources pay the most while the people with the most income pay the least”.

      I agree with you on the sales tax being regressive, but how do you conclude that a flat tax on income is regressive?

    • vicki

      A flat tax is one of the most regressive taxes you can have. It’s
      similar to a sales tax in that the people who need more resources pay
      the most while the people with the most income pay the least,

      Define for us “flat tax”. All the definitions I have heard are that it would be a fixed percentage of X (income?) If so than math indicates that your claim is clearly in error.

      • KG

        What percentage of your income do you spend on food? What percentage does a millionaire spend on food? A family may spend 25% of it’s income on food, while a millionaire might spend .25% of their income on food. So a 10% flat tax would take more away from the poorer family that the Millionaire as a percentage of income.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          It doesn’t matter who they tax specifically — We all pay the price. The more money that Government takes from productive hands and gives to themselves or buys votes with it, the less the rest of us have.
          Whether it’s a so-called “Flat Tax”, or a “Fair Tax”, or a Progressive Income Tax, we all pay the bill.
          It’s the Spending, Stupid. The Problem is Big Government Wasteful Spending (and that is MOST of their Spending).
          Don’t let evil people like KG sucker punch you with their Propaganda. Get educated.

        • vicki

          10% of $1000=$100

          10% of $10,000=$1000

          10% of $1,000,000=$100,000

          100,000 is a LOT more than $100 thus the (income) rich by math alone is clearly paying hundreds of times more than the poor man. Clearly the rich man is having much more taken from his income then the poor man.

          • KG

            Yes, that’s the point. The rich man cannot hope to spend all of that money in food. I mean, how many steaks can you eat in a week? How many cars can you buy? It’s like a forced savings account. The excess money that the rich man has is invested for the good of us all. Would you rather have riots in the street, or ‘domestic tranquility’? Our goal is to ‘promote the general welfare’. With a strong commonwealth, we have a ‘more perfect union’. As well as ‘provide for the common defense’. Remember, freedom isn’t free.

          • vicki

            So you freely admit that your purpose is to steal wealth from people because you know better how to spend it. Funny that is the same logic that thieves have used for centuries.

          • KG

            It isn’t theft if it belonged to you in the first place. Remember, you couldn’t make a penny legitimately unless there was a stable environment with all of the resources available gladly supplied by the People around you. I understand that there is little taxation or government regulation in Somalia. A good businessman could go over there and make a killing (figuratively as well as literally)!!

            That’s right “…you didn’t build that.” WE DID.

          • vicki

            It isn’t theft if it belonged to you in the first place.

            So you are claiming that the wealth of someone else belongs to you? That is exactly what the thief does.

            Remember, you couldn’t make a penny legitimately unless there was a stable environment with all of the resources available gladly supplied by the People around you.

            proof by bald assertion and painfully easy to disprove. Conveniently you provide a reference to the disproof with your comment about Somalia.

            I understand that there is little taxation or government regulation in Somalia. A good businessman could go over there and make a killing (figuratively as well as literally)!!

            Funny that you should mention that.

          • KG

            It’s amazing that a slick web page can make a pig look like a beauty contest winner. I think the people over at must think the world is actually held up by Atlas, because the Ayn Rand logic permeates everything I have read there.

            quote: In a lot of cases the problems that cause countries to be poor are well meaning but misguided government policy. This usually occurs when the government tries to manage the economy and becomes too involved. This tends to lead to a lack of investment in the country as there are too many rules that need to be navigated. The result is that the economy never gets the investment that it needs to grow.

            OK, so it’s da gubments causing the problems, not the greed of the rich families that control every thing including the government. I get what you are saying. America need to look forward to our future 3rd world status brought about by sycophants of ‘conservative’ values. Thank you for warning us. I’ll be sure to keep my proletarian friends informed about this evil scheme you have revealed.

          • vicki

            OK, so it’s da gubments causing the problems, not the greed of the rich
            families that control every thing including the government.

            Correct. The government IS the problem. All those “rich” families can’t control everything if the representatives of our government would obey their oaths of office.

          • KG

            Tell me, exactly, what part of the ‘oath of office’ these politicians are violating.
            I really want to know.

          • vicki
          • KG

            Tell me, exactly (please quote your evidence, not opinion) what part of the ‘oath of office’ these politicians are violating. I haven’t seen any direct violations. But, maybe, you may know.

          • vicki

            See some of the 600 THOUSAND links above. Each discusses the evidence that the politicians are violating their oath of office.

            Here is a very specific example


            “In Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States, it says that “The president sees that the laws are faithfully executed.” Since President Obama has just ordered that the laws on immigration will NOT be faithfully executed, should he be impeached for breaking his Oath of Office of the President of the United States?”


            Here are some more:






          • KG

            Tell me, when has “…the laws on immigration…” ever been enforced? I mean Raygun did amnesty – mostly to let in cheap labor so as to destroy the Unions. What about the “big” violation of the constitution done by Bush? It is in congress power to declare war, but, please name me the last three countries we actually declared war on? If you said Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq, you would be wrong.

          • vicki

            See, you do know about, politicians violating their oath of office.

          • KG

            Shakespeare had a solution:

            ”The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers,” Dick the Butcher ”Henry VI,” Part II, act IV, Scene II, Line 73.

            It like that old joke: If you put Chinamen four abreast, and started to march them int the sea, that would be a good start!

      • KG

        A poor family may spend 25% of its income on food, while a millionaire may spend .25% on food. While a flat tax of, say, 10% would be an equal percentage, it would not be an equal amount. The millionaire may appear to be paying the same percentage, but the amount taken from the family would be a higher percentage of total income than the amount taken from the millionaire. That’s why a graduated tax is much more fair.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          KG says — “It’s only a rich person who would want to abolish the IRS”.
          To the contrary, only immoral people want Progressive Income Taxes. Imagine if we went to the grocery store and the prices were set according to our income. Who would tolerate such nonsense (well, besides KG and his commie comrades)?
          Why should anybody pay more for their Government than anybody else?
          Of course those of us who are intelligent know the reason for that. Big Government is playing on peoples’ baser instincts (like envy) to justify taking more money from people and therefore adding more feathers to the Leaders’ nests.
          KG and his ilk would have you green with envy over the wealth of the rich, while the Leaders party on your money, because the truth is that the producers don’t pay the tax. You do. When we fall for the sucker line of “Tax the Rich”, the Rich just raise their product prices, or lay off their workers, or lower their workers’ wages, or move overseas, or quit the business if there is no meat left for them. In the latter case there is less competition, so the remaining players can charge us more for their products. In all cases, the rest of us lose.
          KG and his cohorts count on your ignorance, so they can succeed in riding on your shoulders with you being the willing but unwitting carriers.

          • vicki

            I’ve been poor and I’ve been not poor (not sure what KG’s number for rich is) and I have ALWAYS wanted to abolish the IRS. Thus we see (what we already knew) that KG has not a clue.

  • jimmie smith

    No matter which tax plan you prefer, the current system is corrupt, and in need of a overhaul. I think everyone can agree with that? How we achieve that goal is the real question.

  • Wyatt Hill

    The tax code as it relates to income taxes is only 2 chapters sub chapter A and C – No where does it mandate that.
    those living in the 50 states pay or file an income tax- only foreign persons with US income are mandated. ( You Have Been Brainwashed !!!! )
    So we have been tricked into believing we owe-and are required to file-
    Not one red cent collected by the IRS goes for GOV services – Over the years the IRS has stolen

    tens of trillions from us over 70 years – can we get it back ???

    • FreedomFighter

      The Terrifying Future of The United States

      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

    • Charlie

      Where were you about 30 years ago when We had to dig the info you gave out of the 4 volume code our self ? Now most of the “”brainwashed”” can figure it out…. BUT,,, many of the “”brainwashed”” still don’t want to see their “peabrain” as it really is……………………………

  • FreedomFighter

    The IRS and FED are Orwellian parasites, the FED is owned by foreign entities and BANKS … not the government, the IRS was formed to feed the greed. The FED makes money out of thin air, and charges you for using it…great deal for them, only every one in America gets screwed. Making money from thin air and charging for it is the ultimate scam.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

    • momo

      If the FED can just print money for the government to spend, then why do we need to pay taxes?

      • FreedomFighter

        Its all just paper…used to take hard assets that are the real wealth. Taxation is a form of slavery.

        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

        • KG

          Somehow, in order to have a functioning economy, the people at the economic bottom need to spend money. They can get it two ways. Either by social welfare programs or employment. However, if they are Union, they get a better share of that money to spend and pay taxes. That’s how the economy works.

          • JeffH

            …and in your twisted little world pigs can fly too!

          • KG

            Ummm…that IS reality. Wake up and smell the “protein combined with amino acid mixture”. Don’t worry, Morpheus will be there to give you training.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Proteins are composed of amino acids. You failed in your attempt to look intelligent, KG — as usual.

          • KG

            Uh oh – when that happens, it usually means “the program” is changing! Quick, call Tank and get us out of here before Agent Smith shows up!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You don’t have a clue how an economy works, KG.
            What drives an economy is production. Whatever entices people to produce as much as they can will result in the best economy. Taking from the producers and giving to the non-producers has the opposite effect, which is why your Communism never works.

          • KG

            quote: Whatever entices people to produce as much as they can will result in the best economy.

            That’s why I only work for top wages – I only work Union.

      • perry


      • TheOriginalDaveH


        If the Federal Reserve was the sole source of revenues for the US Government, there would be massive inflation that the apathetic citizens could not ignore. Government gets its money from as many disparate sources as it can, so as to fly under the radar of the average citizen.

  • jim b

    What would Jesus do?

    • Vigilant

      :”Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.”

    • FreedomFighter

      Read Revelation and find out, something about a lake of fire…

  • Warrior

    Just another in the long line of gubmint “make work” programs. Serves absolutely no productive purpose. Talent galore wasted on useless occupations like tax accounting and tax law. Personal resources wasted complying with politically stacked rules. Majority being robbed by “insiders”. Sunset the irs in 4 years. Fair Tax based on consumption. Everyone pays something.

  • DD

    abolish the IRS and go with a federal sales tax. Taxed on what you consume. That way everyone pays their fair share.

  • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

    A Dirty Little Secret About Federal Taxes The other day I read an article about a woman who is refusing to pay Federal income taxes because the taxes are being used to buy weapons to kill innocent people in Iraq.

    Almost every day we read something about how our ‘taxes’ are being used for some idiotic or immoral act. We have all heard about the $500 hammers that the government has paid for with your taxes. We have heard about all the wasted money on all sorts of studies that just don’t make sense. Well, let’s take a close look at reality, folks!

    First, let me ask you a question.

    If I were a counterfeiter who was SO GOOD at applying my trade that NO ONE was able to tell I was counterfeiting, would I ever need to go to work to buy a new printing press? More ink? More paper? Pave the road in front of my house? Buy a tank? Obviously, the answer would be no. Because if I could print up all the money I wanted and no one could tell, I could literally buy up anything I wanted as long as I had the amount needed printed for the purchase. Unfortunately for us–the pawns in the global game of chess that is being played with our future, and the future of our children and even our grandchildren–that is exactly how it actually works.

    Once upon a time there were these pretty smart white guys who put together a rather interesting limited government that was supposed to guarantee freedom for the folks living under it. For all intents and purposes, it worked pretty well for a number of years. It wasn’t perfect, as the men who put this together weren’t perfect, but it was probably the best form of government ever devised by man in written history.

    I don’t know if there was that much more oxygen in the atmosphere or what, but the village idiot of that time seemed to be a lot smarter than the likes of our current Emperor George. If you read the writings of Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Locke, James Madison, Samuel Adams, Daniel Webster, William Blackstone, Frederic Bastiat and Lysander Spooner, just to name a few, you will find that they were well educated and presented their ideas of what they believed would work using their REASON, logic, and common sense. One such man was Judge Roger Sherman.

    Roger Sherman spent most of his life as a businessman back in the time of the Revolutionary War era. He had some rather bad dealings due to the monetary system that existed in the colonies previous to the revolution and the drafting of the U. S. Constitution. Since he was a well known individual being versed on economics, he was influential in the drafting of the monetary clauses of the U.S. Constitution. Previously he wrote a booklet, which was the fastest way to disseminate information in that day. Booklets or pamphlets were very instrumental in driving the force of men’s thoughts towards succeeding from their unfortunate bond to England . Roger Sherman was no exception. His booklet A Caveat Against Injustice, or an Inquiry into The Evils of a Fluctuating Medium Of Exchange was instrumental in causing people to realize the evils of a fiat paper money system at that time in history.

    Unfortunately, the sheep have allowed the wolves to guard them via the public education (indoctrination) system here in the United States and elsewhere, so the truth has been effectively kept out of their minds.

    Let us look at what Roger Sherman did. He was the man instrumental for two sections of the U.S. Constitution. They are Article 1, Section 8, which states: ‘The Congress shall have Power to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standards of Weights and Measures’; and Section 10, which orders that: ‘No State shall . . . make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts.’

    Why did he do this? Because he realized that if the monetary control was placed in the hands of the PEOPLE, there would be freedom and prosperity. He had dealt with the system of paper money that was in place in the 13 colonies and suffered firsthand because of the way it was used for theft. There could be no inflation and no theft of the people’s earnings and savings due to a dishonest paper fiat debt monetary system if only gold and silver coin were to be allowed in circulation. It was also one of the ways of control the PEOPLE could maintain by the withdrawal of their support by holding back their taxes from the state or federal governments if those governments seemed intent on trampling their rights as free men. Without the tax support to pay for wars, there would be no war. Without the tax support to pay for the Gestapo, there would be no Gestapo. Who is going to work for free? If the monetary control is placed in the hands of the bankers or the central government, the people basically have lost that control since they would not have that leverage. Up until the war for Southern Independence (or the War Between the States), gold and silver coins were used for trade and commerce. There were bank notes issued, but they were all backed AT PAR with the denomination stated on the note. If you were audited and found to have less gold in your vaults than you had bank notes in circulation, you were tried as a thief. Abraham Lincoln, who was noted for violating the Constitution in many instances, started the paper money scheme to finance the Northern aggression against the South. Knowing what I do know about that man, I cannot for the life of me figure out why he wasn’t tried by the people for treason and hung.

    Looking at the information above, can you see what has happened? Since the banking cartel has been able to completely control, via the U.S. Treasury and through Federal complicity, the current monetary system, YOU COULD LITERALLY KEEP ALL OF YOUR TAXES and it wouldn’t make a hill of beans difference. As a matter of FACT, if no one in the country paid Federal taxes at all but the public continued to believe that the little, colorful pieces of paper in circulation had value, everything would go on as it does now. The roads would be built, the missiles would fly, the soldiers would be paid and the Homeland Security Gestapo would be still receiving paychecks. Why? Because the COUNTERFEITER can print all the paper money or make all the book entries they want. Why? Because the people lost track of THEIR contract with their public servants known as the U.S. Constitution, and didn’t realize that they were being ROYALLY SCREWED.

    So here we are about 150 years after the War Between the States and what do we have? A monetary system that is antithetical to the U.S. Constitution and the rules laid down by Judge Roger Sherman. It is a system of theft that has continued and will continue until enough people make waves and cause a change.

    Now let’s take a look at what others have said:

    “When plunder has become a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.” ~ Frederic Bastiat in “The Law”

    “Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the capitalist system was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens.” ~ 1980 Annual Report, Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, p. 6

    Isn’t confiscation of the wealth of the citizens a nice way of saying STEALING?

    “All the paper money issued today is Federal Reserve notes. The real backing for the nation’s money is faith in the strength, soundness and stability of the American economy.” ~ The Hats the Federal Reserve Wears, FRB of Philadelphia, p. 4

    Faith is what backs our monetary system. YOUR faith. Do you still have faith?

    “The Federal Government, with the cooperation of the Federal Reserve, has the inherent power to create money–almost any amount of it.” ~ The National Debt, Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, p. 8

    ALMOST? Why only ALMOST? What keeps them from printing ALL they want? You? Me? Your dog? A full moon?

    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” ~ John Locke (1690)

    If the money you earn has no value and you are forced through fiat paper legislation to take it for your labor, are you not having your property (labor) destroyed and are you not being reduced to nothing but slavery? Is not the state at war with the people?

    How about this:

    Public schools [i.e. government schools’the Communist Manifest’s 10th plank] in which students learn to exchange labor and production [assets] for checks and banknotes [liabilities]–all ‘dollars’ of which were created, at no cost, in a government-protected bank.

    “A check is just a bit of paper, but you’re happy to have it.” ~ The Hats the Federal Reserve Wears, Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia, p. 5

    Confidence in ‘credit’ is furthered by taxation. In fact, governments go to great lengths collecting far less of ‘it’ than they spend–to sustain an aura of value.

    “If . . . government refrains from regulation [e.g., taxes] . . . the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent, and the fraud upon the public can be concealed no longer.” ~ The Economic Consequences of the Peace, John Maynard Keynes, p. 225 [February 1920 edition]

    Taxes do not pay for government which sanctions a credit system–but they are necessary to sustain the confidence in those devices by which the public IS taxed.

    “. . . Keynes argues that inflation is a ‘method of taxation’ which the government uses to ‘secure the command over real resources, resources just as real as those obtained by [ordinary] taxation.’ ‘What is raised by printing notes,’ he writes, ‘is just as much taken from the public as is a beer duty or an income tax.’ ” ~ 1980 Annual Report, Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, p. 10

    For instance . . . say a man earned $3,500 in 1964 and put it in his mattress. Another man earned $3,500 and put it in the bank. Another earned $3,500 and traded it for gold coins. At the time, that would have been $35 Federal Reserve Notes per ounce, or the equivalent of 100 $50 US Liberty coins. In 2005, the first man will have the same $3,500 in Fed Notes. They would be worth about 1/10 of what they were in 1964. He would have effectively had $31,500 worth of purchasing power STOLEN from him. What did Lenin say in a quote above? Remember, a new car in 1964 was $3,500 in Federal Reserve Notes. A new, full-sized decent car today is about $35,000. The second man would have about $9,000 in Federal Reserve Note value with interest accrued. He would have effectively had $21,000 in purchasing power STOLEN from him. The last man could trade his gold coins and would have $35,000 in Federal Reserve Note purchasing power. So WHICH lost value? The GOLD or the PAPER?

    So what does this all sum up to? That TAXES are there for the PURPOSE of STEALING the labor of the people and to make them THINK they are supporting the government.

    Mayer Amschel Rothchild is quoted as having said, “Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.”

    When the money is nothing but paper created on a printing press with absolutely no control from the people, the people become slaves to the creators of the money. When the people create the money with their labor (gold and silver), then and only then can the people be free. As long as we are under a debt fiat monetary system and refuse to enforce the law of the land via Article 1, Section 10 on our STATES, the Federal government will be in control of our very lives from the point that your birth certificate is placed into interstate commerce as a pledge against your life and your future ability to be a taxpaying slave on the plantation.

    So what is the answer? What would happen if the people of just ONE COUNTY in ONE STATE came together and they refused to pay property taxes or any form of tax or any payment at all unless they did so in gold or silver coin? Everything the state requires us to pay for from driver licenses to property tax to license plates is supposed to be paid for with gold and silver coin. This could be done. But will we have enough guts to try it? Start trading in your Federal Reserve Notes for 1/10 ounce, ‘ ounce, ‘ ounce and 1 ounce gold coins. Start using them with friends and neighbors by buying and selling with gold. Figure out a fair exchange rate and start using them. If you are making $50 in Federal Reserve notes an hour today as a plumber offer, your rate at $5.00 in gold coin. That will also help people see the disparity between the worthless paper and gold.

    How hard is it to get this through our heads? TAXES on the NATIONAL LEVEL pay for NOTHING. They are there for the purpose of CONTROL and to take purchasing power away from the slaves so they cannot compete as much for goods and services in the marketplace. In another words, it helps to control inflation, even though every piece of paper backed by nothing is pure inflation. On the local level, since the states and cities don’t print their own money, they need taxes. The taxes they are supposed to be collecting are supposed to be in gold or silver coin. The states were supposed to keep the federal government bound to an honest monetary system by forcing them to COIN money and regulate the value thereof.

    In summary, the rules (Constitution) say that we should be using GOLD AND SILVER COIN instead of fiat paper money issued with no backing except the faith that it will purchase and pay for services and goods in the marketplace. The taxes we pay at the national level are there to make us THINK we are supporting the ‘government’ or paying for those $500 hammers. The only way back to an HONEST monetary system is for the people to trade in their Federal Reserve Notes for gold and silver coin and then force the states to force the federal government to COIN money and regulate the value thereof. What are the states and cities going to do? Confiscate EVERYONE’S homes and property if we refuse to pay with F.R.A.U.D. (Federal Reserve Accounting Unit Devices) paper anymore? It would be a Miracle on Main Street.

    On a final note, according to F. Tupper Saussy:

    The absence of rebuke is taken to mean the people consent to the disobedience. Jim Woods, who wrote the Foreword to Miracle On Main Street, was a brilliant inventor for whom intellectual and personal freedom were tools of his trade. To Jim, Article I Sections 8 and 10 of the Constitution were the linchpin that held the whole American apparatus together. Keep the linchpin in place and the apparatus can run forever. Remove it and everything falls apart.

    So now you know why everything is falling apart.


    A Caveat Against Injustice by Judge Roger Sherman

    The Law by Frederic Bastiat

    A Plea For the Constitution of the United States Wounded in the House of Its Guardians by John Bancroft

    The Got Rocks Bank of America by Richard Kelley Hoskins

    The Wild and Free Pigs of the Okefenokee Swamp by George Gordon

    “Theocratic” vs Democratic Money by Bruce McCarthy

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Outstanding comment, Mark, but you left at least two great thinkers of our time off your list — Ludwig Von Mises and Murray Rothbard.

      • KG

        Oh yea, the financiers of fascism.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The usual misinformation from a Progressive.
          Do you guys ever have anything honest to say, KG?

          • KG

            Quote: “It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift.”

            -ludwig Von Misies

            5. Take Back the Streets: Get Rid of the Bums. Again: unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares? Hopefully, they will disappear, that is, move from the ranks of the petted and cosseted bum class to the ranks of the productive members of society.

            -Murray Rothbard

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Apparently, KG, you can’t even read your own quotes. Neither of those quotes was endorsing Fascism. The first only commented on it, and as is usual with deceptive Socialists — it was taken out of context by KG.

            For those who want to know what Ludwig Von Mises really said:

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And here is Murray Rothbard’s whole article for those who want to know what Murray is really saying:

          • KG

            You still can’t accept the truth. Stephan Molyneau, a libertarian, spilled the beans in one of his videos. He said: “It’s not about freedom, it’s about morality.” And I had to ask, ‘Whose morality?” I mean Adolph Hitler had morals, as well as Benito Mussolini. Or maybe the morals of Pinochet? Since Pinochet was inspired by Von Misies.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re getting desperate, KG.
            By the way, can you enlighten the readers with how your form of Communism will succeed in the US, when it has never succeeded anywhere else?
            What is going to make it different this time?
            And since the only winners in Communism are the Leaders, how will that be different than in Socialism, Fascism, or any other form of Big Government?
            The fact that you appear on this board regularly, KG, touting such a Leader-friendly system tells me that you are either in the Political Class and therefore will benefit at other peoples’ expense, or you are incredibly ignorant.

          • vicki

            We also notice they rarely or never bother with any cites to backup their assertions.

        • DarlK

          Hey STUPID. Your comment equating laizez faire (sp) economists to fascists DEFINITELY shows your COMPLETE IGNORANCE of economics. You probably think that Fascists and Nazis are the on the far right of the political spectrum. That could not be farther from the truth. NAZI is an acronym for National Socialist Workers Party of Germany. That’s right, STUPID! You should be embracing fascism, not demonizing it. You are nothing but a BRAINWASHED MORON spouting the socialist talking points. Why don’t you drink some more Kool-Aide. You’re wasring too much oxygen!

        • vicki

          Proof by bald assertion

    • KG

      “If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
      ― Ernesto Guevara

      • Bill

        Spoken like a true communist. now we know where you are coming from.

      • DarlK

        Now you’re quoting communists? Your true colors are showing. Bye the way, you forgot to put the “B” after the “KG.”

      • samurai

        I see that Bob Antichrist voted for you, but he isn’t a patriot.
        “Democracy is the road to socialism.”
        Karl Marx
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

        • Bob666

          Why yes I did vote for him Geisha Boy.

          He makes a good point form time to time-it’s called having an open mind-you should try it sometime since it allows one to be more objective.

          William McKinley,
          25th President of the USA. Hiram lodge No. 21, Winchester, Virginia. Mark,
          R. Arch and Knight Templar

  • antiliberal00

    The libs, communists and progressives have no desire for a fair tax system. If they aren’t stealing from others at gun point, they can’t be happy.
    I guess that is why so many thugs and robbers, vote democrap.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      It isn’t just the Democrats, Anti. The Republicans have been infiltrated by Progressives since at least the end of the 19th century. How else could they have funded a “Century of War”:,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Indeed, our colonies were founded by advantage-seeking Leaders who held sway for most of the 17th and 18th century. Even after the revolution, which was really won by the common citizens — not elitists like George Washington who had the strange habit of taking on much better trained English soldiers in conventional warfare and usually losing as a result, the common man was engaged in a huge political battle to keep the elitists from turning the US into yet another un-free country run by Privilege Seekers.

      Read this book to learn what the Propagandists don’t want you to know about the real nature of Government:

      It’s long, but very interesting, and it will leave you with a much better understanding of Government.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    There is only one truly “fair” tax, and that’s for each adult to pay the same amount of money for the Government they vote for. If you don’t like that, then shrink the Government (as it should be). But even with such a True Flat Tax (Head Tax), people would still be determining how to spend other peoples’ money (still wrong).
    While I indeed think the Income Tax is outrageously unfair, the real issue here isn’t really how the Government gets their money (taxes, borrowing from the Fed, etc.) but how much of our money they are spending (wasting). That money would be much more wisely employed by the owners of the money than by self-serving, privilege-seeking politicians.
    Imagine that, a voluntary market place where people decide for themselves which services they want to buy with their own money.
    Vote Libertarian!

    • Betta

      Speaking of wasting money, did you hear about bammy’s family vacation trip to Africa? It’s going to cost the American taxpayer $100 MILLION. How’s that for a sequester?

      When they go, wondering if there’s some way we can leave them there?

      OH, I KNOW!!!!! He’s an illegal alien…right? How about through some twist of fate he is denied re-entrance into the US? Suddenly the pain in my azz is gone.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        That’s what Leaders are all about, Betta — living off the labor of others.

      • annette

        Sounds good to me. We don’t want or need his sorry ass here!


    If this group of left wing progressive socialist that we have running our government are not abolished NOW, we are going to lose the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God and indivisible.
    When will we as a nation wake up and see what this administration is attempting to do! They are attempting to make us believe they were spying for terrorist and that is the farthest thing from the truth! Comrade obama and his czars are keeping a close eye on their enemies. Those ENEMIES are American citizens that care for this country and have a desire to keep America a Free Democracy.

    • KG

      What about the right wing fascists of W’s regime? You didn’t complain about “going to lose the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God and indivisible”? And yet, all you had to do was look at Dick Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, et al and realize what was up. Oh wait, they claimed to be ‘christian’ so we gave them a slide. You, sir, with all due respect, are a doomtard.

      • ONLYJB1

        A doomtard? Now that’s funny. You can’t come up with anything better? Come on, ya’ll are so quick and so good to call people who care about this country names. There is a reason for name calling and it has everything to do with what’s above your neck! If you are so happy to live without our Constitutional Rights and are so fed up with how this country was founded and need the government to take care of every aspect of your life, then move to a communist nation and become a full fledged Communist! We don’t need your kind here in America!

        • KG

          OK then – never take a saturday or a sunday off. Never leave the job after only 8 hours. In fact, never celebrate a holiday with your children – because you have to work.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Where do you get the idea that humans MUST work only the 8 hours permitted them by the government and can only have the days off the government entities permits them?

          • KG

            I did.

      • speedle

        You said absolutely nothing in your rant here KG (as usual). – Nothing said but aspersions cast freely. That is the MO for left wing trolls. Keep up the good work.

      • Betta

        You hit on something there when you talk about folks who claim to be “christian”. I am a follower of God and am getting out of the habit of calling myself a Christian. They call themselves christian in one breath then stab their neighbor in the back in the next breath.

        Had a prospective client call me and the first thing he said was he was a christian. This meant he wanted a discounted price…just because he’s a christian. Well, I said “I’m a christian too. You still pay full price.” And yes, he asked for a discounted price. He didn’t get it.

        My grandparents didn’t go to church and they were FAR better people than folks who stand up and proclaim their christianity. My grandparents didn’t do any of the things to other people that I’ve seen christians do. Never did I see them sit and talk trash about people or keep BS stirred up in the neighborhood. They never sat in judgement of others either. Never heard them utter a disparaging word about anyone! No wonder Jesus sat among sinners. They were probably better company.

        I’m a sinner who loves God with all my heart, mind, soul and strength. Always keeping the hem of His garment in my hand.

        • KG

          Luke 18

          King James Version (KJV)

          9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

          10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

          11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

          12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

          13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

          14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            KG, you can quote or twist the Bible verses for your benefit all you want but since it is you who is doing it we can take those verses as if they were vomit and treat them as such.

          • KG

            Read verse 14 again. I think you need it.

          • samurai

            I see you quoted the Bible, but do you know what you have quoted? Do you understand the message? Didn’t think so. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “A patriot must be a religious man.”
            Thomas Jefferson
            3rd President of the U. S.
            Founding father
            Orthodox Christian

          • KG

            Please read Matthew 5:1-12. Then tell me, who would Jesus bomb?


          • samurai

            Though Jesus would not say to bomb anyone, if you read the Old and New Testiment, you would see that God used armies from other countries as a judgement against Israel, Babylon, and others. Moab, Edom, Ammon (Jordan), Amalikites (Sinai Peninsula), Babylonians (Iraq), Assyrians (Syria, Lebanon, Northern Iraq, and areas of Turkey), Persians (Iran), Greeks, Romans, and many others. Jesus also had his disciples buy 2 swords to defend themselves with. You do know this don’t you? Nice try, but even satan will quote scripture, if it is for his own gain. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “And all here assembled, whether belonging to public life or to private life, with heartsdevotedly thankful to Almighty God for the preservation of the liberty and happiness of this country, unite in sincere and fervent prayers that this deposit, the domes and the towers, the columns and the entablatures now to be erected over it may endure forever.”
            Daniel Webster
            American statesman
            Devout Christian
            *Maybe you should also give thanks to God that our country has lasted as long as it has.

          • Charlie

            Heathen ,,,KG read all of Luke 18 and tell us what the basic “”Thesis”” is??? You will find it is “””Humility”””…
            Agent Provocateurs should know The Bible far better than you , otherwise they will expose themselves as a agent Anti Christ as you are…………………….

          • KG

            Matthew 5 (King James Version)

            20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

        • Charlie

          Have you accomplished Acts 2:38 with knowledge and understanding of who said it and what “”Authority””he has under King Jesus Christ???

    • Betta

      Surely you mean free REPUBLIC. We are NOT a democracy, which is MOB RULE.

      I really, really, really do wish people would learn the difference between democracy (mob rule) and what a Republic (Rule of Law) is.

      If you want democracy then you luv ob0z0.

  • Robert Smith

    I want the IRS to look at self proclaimed “religious” groups that want to take advantage of our tax system and at the same time play politics. I think the IRS did the right thing.


    • Nadzieja Batki

      There is quite a load of Dem/Prog/Leftist organizations(whether environmental, health related, do-gooding, non profits, etc.) that should be seen as “religious” groups so you would be willing to have them scrutinized as such.

    • Bill

      I want the IRS to audit you. Because you are obviously making too much money and not giving your fair share to the common good

    • ChuckS123

      The claim is that liberal groups that are as political as conservative groups, or more so, had a much easier time getting tax exempt status. I’d like to see an article detailing this.

      One example I’ve seen is that Obama’s brother, living in Kenya, got his tax-exempt status in 1 month, and the tax-exempt status was retroactive 2 years back.

    • samurai

      Like those who support terrorist organizations, queers, abortion, atheists groups, etc. I agree that these groups need to be investigated. Here is an artice about the IRS, the NSA, and the Amnesty crap.
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “The general principles in which the Fathers achieved independence, were the general principles of Christianity.”
      John Adams
      June 28, 1813
      2nd President of the U. S.
      Founding father
      Devout Christian

      • Bob666

        Oh Geisha Boy,

        “Like those who support terrorist organizations, queers, abortion, atheists groups, etc. I agree that these groups need to be investigated”

        Or did you mean to say; anyone that does not agree with Geisha boy? So you are jealous of Obama because you would advocate more abuse of power if your ilk were in the white-house?

        Thank you Sammy- you have let another cat out of the bags regarding your lack of character!

        Dr. Charles H. Mayo,
        American physician. Co-founder of the Mayo clinics and Mayo foundation for medical research.
        Rochester Lodge No. 21, Rochester, Minnesota.

        • Bob666

          Yo Jon,
          Me thinks you nailed him-dead square.

  • DonnaAngelStar

    Flat or Fair, abolish the IRS and let’s debate a better course of taxation for our country.

    • Robert Zraick

      I have a better course of taxation for our country. No income tax. No national sales tax. No flat tax. No “fair” tax.
      The only reason we have any of that is to support a bloated corrupt government which has too much power, and no concern for the people who’s rights it is supposed to protect.
      We did not need the Income tax or the IRS for the first century of our countries existence. We do not need it now.
      We are all brainwashed into thinking that we need these taxes. Tariffs and excise taxes were enough for over a century.
      The government has made slaves of us all. It is time to end slavery.

      • DonnaAngelStar

        I like no tax even better. Put it all on the table for debate. It is way past time for abolishment of the IRS and the Federal Reserve. neither of these agencies are constitutional.

  • Debbie D

    What a thoughtful, insightful and common sense article. What can we do, as regular citizens, to get this Abolish the IRS/Fair or Flat Tax movement started?

  • perry


    • Nadzieja Batki

      But you are not offering any solution that would be listened to as well, so kindly take care that you don’t fall off that high horse of yours.
      Suggestions and solutions have been offered by many financial advisors and politicians but those were bandied about and then shelved. The ones who profit by the status quo don’t want their nests broken up.

    • ONTIME

      Remove the IRS and replace progressive tax with a ballot driven national sales tax… this again if you don’t comprehend it the first time…

      • Arkham

        A national sales tax would place an excessive burden on the poor who would wind up paying a much larger part of their incomes as tax while those who have reaped the greatest benefits from American opportunity would pay the least. Progressive tax is a flawed attempt to resolve this issue but relying on a sales tax alone is naive and undependable.

        We need a system that is fair to all and does not rape the poor any more than they are suffering now.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I gave you that system right here:

          It would be the fairest of all — every voting adult pays the same amount. And it would “rape the poor” only until they got off their duffs and shrunk Big Government dramatically, thus resulting in a Free and dynamic economy.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          And by the way, Arkham, the Progressive tax is NOT a flawed attempt to solve this issue. It is instead a purposeful attempt to further fund the Leaders and their pet schemes, and to buy votes from the ignorant masses who always are the first to suffer under Socialism.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      In case you haven’t noticed, Perry, this is a site about Personal Liberty. KG is an interloper. He is here primarily to interfere with good people learning the concepts of Freedom. Concepts which KG knows nothing about or doesn’t care.

  • mnkysnkle

    Take heed Jay….. That’s a conservative reaction you got there. Maybe it’s time you stop fawning over Moochie & Barry and pay attention to the conservatives you are always puttin’ down. By the way, how did you manage to get a conservative writer on your staff?


    Mike reagan has the right stuff about how WTP need to go about removing the progressive tax and the IRS police force so loved by the left as a tool they have access to do harm and mischief.
    This government has shown itself to be rife with corruption and incompetence and the left, the Faker in the WH made sure WTP will find it growing and unaffordable, undesireable and disgraceful, it is the agenda they, the left wants to remove and replace the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights and remove this Republic and replace it with a third world country communist government.
    WTP can thwart all their plans by a ballot driven national sales tax, it would account for a yearly budget, end the over spending and all people citizen and foreigner alike would contribute to the taxbased economy. In addition a term limited no retirement means to control electees and appointees, remove all government unions to regain the power of WTP and put the “civil” back into the term “public servant”.
    Sure this needs more work but it is a damn good start…

  • mnkysnkle

    By the way Chip. Yes this next election is critical, but it won’t do any good if the election process is not legitimized. I.E: I.D requirements need to be implemented, and the electronic voting machines have to be eliminated. I read recently that the overseas company that owns Scytl(??), has now over 100 counties that their machines are in. And the counting is done in Spain. A known socialist country. WE NEED TRANSPARENCY IN OUR ELECTIONS!! PAPER BALLOTS>>PUBLIC COUNT!! AND COUNT THEM HERE AT HOME.

    • ridge runner

      Elections will never be legitimed because, democrats will not pass voter ID,, make English the offical language amd every document be in English, The reason it would save billions and stop the corruption in Democrat Party’s (registration) programs). Of course the Democrat Party has always been and has only gotten worse as a thuggish criminal organization. As long as the media, DOJ, Scotus, and all the other alfabet soup agencies are created as a fascist/communist goaled money wasting impedements on USA citizens and anuthing private, IRS will only get bigger and never be dismantled.

      • mnkysnkle

        You may very well be right. But we all need to start somewhere, putting our efforts where they will count the most. Just here in Colorado there are two dems and one repug. that are being recalled and it looks like a done deal. One dem was outed by his own party and all the petitioners had to do was set up a tent in the grocery store parking lot and they went 20% over the necessary votes in less than a week. All three of them were responsible for the draconian gun laws that were recently passed here. Some are even talking about impeaching our embarrassing governor for ignoring his constitutional responsibilities. Every little bit in every area is a step that needs to be taken, and it all helps.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Things will continue to get worse as long as people don’t wake up to the fact that Republicans and Democrats serve the same puppeteers.
        If what the Republicans did to Ron Paul doesn’t wake people up, what will?

      • samurai

        SCOTUS CASE:
        Crawford vs. Marion County Election Board 2008
        Court ruled:
        1. You must vote in person.
        2. You need a state issued picture ID
        Marion County in question is Marion County, Indiana. Can’t vote at home from your own computer. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
        “I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world.”
        John Adams
        2nd President of the U. S.
        Founding father
        Devout Christian

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Actually, electronic voting could be our salvation. We could easily have secret ballots, vote transparency, and accountability. The question is — “Do the Politically Connected people want that?”.

      We could have two databases for each election. One database would store the ‘voter information’ (Identification, address, polling place, etc.). And the other database would store the ‘votes cast’ with a unique alphanumeric ID which would be given to each voter at the polling place. The name of the polling place would also be stored on this database to identify problem polling places. Only the voter would know his alphanumeric ID so secrecy would be preserved. And the voter would be given a printout to verify how he/she voted.
      The database would be accessible by the public. Anyone or any organization could check the ‘voter information’ database to see if any illegal voters cast votes. The votes in the ‘votes cast’ database could be easily tallied by anyone to see if votes were counted correctly and that the number of votes matched the number of voters in the ‘voter information’ database. Also, an individual voter would be able to check his alphanumeric ID to see that his votes are in the database correctly, and if not, he/she could notify the proper authorities or the proper news media. The ‘votes’ database could be corrected periodically to account for any corrections that were made by citizens claiming their votes were not entered correctly, or votes discovered to be made by dead people, convicts, etc.
      This kind of system would be much cheaper and more accountable than anything I’ve seen. And we could vote from home, if we wanted, on our computers.

      • annette

        While big brother watches how we vote on our computers?

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          If they can watch that, they certainly can watch our precinct votes.

          • annette

            You are right.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            But to be more clear, the Alphanumeric ID assigned to each ballot would be random and only known to the actual voter. So the only way anybody could know how you voted would be if your vote was counted wrongly and you presented your ballot receipt to prove that it was counted wrongly.

      • ridge runner

        Good plan, but what would stop it would be it is cheapers and the second thing is that would be honest. Something the Democrat Party has always hated. How many ballot boxes have been stolen or destroyed by the Demcrat Party in every election, going back to before and after the Civil War, Several US Post Offices where ballot boxes were stored were broke in to and ballot boxes destroyed. Read “Dirty American Scoundrel” about what pukes in NY did to rig elections.

      • mnkysnkle

        It’s a nice idea, but it’s still subject to hacking. From what I’ve read, there isn’t a system yet that hasn’t been hacked. And in most cases the hacking was done in just a few seconds. Even your own PC with several different types of security programs are often hacked, and in most cases the user isn’t even aware of the intrusion. Paper is a more drawn out process and it is still subject to corruption but it is much harder to accomplish for the simple fact that the corruptors need private access to the ballot box and much more time to “do their deed”. With election observers at the polls this is harder to accomplish. Put the results in as many databases as you want, but there should always be a paper trail.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          What would they hack, mnkysnkle? There could be (and would be) multiple copies or backups of the main databases both in official hands and in unofficial hands. Any unsubstantiated large changes in the databases would be immediately detectable and correctable.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          There would be many watchdog organizations and even individuals who would be watching the databases regularly to detect such foul play. It would be much more difficult for evil people to manipulate things than it is now. For instance, now we can’t even see how our votes were really counted. We just have to take it on faith that there wasn’t a vote-counting conspiracy.

    • ridge runner

      Trying to be PC’ed with democrats never works and it only comes back to slap your face when making a deal with the fascist/communists party pukes, Chip. Look at GH Bush, and we will see the same damn thing with the illegal immigration plan, never will seal the borders, as long as democrats are involved in a (deal). Compromise only means giving in to thecompulsive liars.

  • Patriot66

    The ability of the central government to directly tax US citizen, be it income, capital gains, sales, etc…, needs to be eliminated. The 16th amendment needs to be modified to reflect that taxes can only be derived directly from the States, on a voluntary basis.
    Think of all the problems this would solve. No more pork barrel spending or
    blackmailing of our State officials to do the bidding of the central
    government. The States would tax accordingly to the State budget. Anything left
    over would go to the central government, if they behaved… It would be much more involved, but use your imaginations on how many problems this would solve, not to mention eliminating one of the most corrupt agencies in American history.
    Of course, we would also have to remove the back door of allowing them to get
    loans via the Federal Reserve. The only funds they could use would be what the
    States grant them. Seem like a good idea?

    • KG

      The 16th amendment was passed during a time of a populist uprising in America. Western farmers were tired of seeing east coast robber barons getting rich off of their hard work by overcharging rail road fees. So the income tax was passed. And since it does away with the need to ‘apportion among the states’, it is perfectly legal under the Constitution.

      • Patriot66

        I was not implying the 16th amendment is legal or not. Although passed under shady circumstances it was still managed to creep it’s way in. Amendments, however, can be amended and abolished and replaced with more rational amendments.

        • mnkysnkle

          But not the first ten. You need a constitutional convention to change those as they are not “granted” but “God given”. The rest are not a part of the original constitution but add-ons. Some of them violate one or more of the first ten amendments and are therefore unconstitutional and should be changed or repealed.

          • Vigilant

            Sorry to burst your bubble, but according to Article V of the Constitution, ANY provision or amendment can be revised or repealed. Constitutional conventions are an option.

            Are you saying the 13th Amendment was illegal because no Constitutional convention was held to change the original document?

          • mnkysnkle

            Now your going to make me revisit my past. I haven’t been in a civics class since 65. From what I understand the constitution and the Bill of rights make up the original documents. The Bill of Rights consists of the first 10 amendments only. The constitution and the Bill of Rights had to be ratified by 3/4th’s of the states. In order to change them we have to have a constitutional convention. Which I think requires a special election in each state for the delegates, and be ratified by 3/4th’s etc… The other provisions/amendments I don’t think had the same requirements. The only requirement I remember was they couldn’t violate or be repugnant to the constitution. “The Constitutionality”?? Now; the 13th. Amendment……….. Wasn’t that supposedly the one that incorporated the D.C. government, or people, or something like that? Done behind closed doors? Most of the other amendments came about in the 20th. Century, and they are dubious to say the least. Of course, I could be wrong, as I’ve been wrong before. It aint the first time my bubble’s been burst! But I can sometimes learn from the experience.

          • Vigilant

            Constitutional conventions are not a necessity.

            Article V: “The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.”

            The 13th Amendment freed the slaves.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        What a load.
        The Income Tax was passed for one reason only — to allow the Progressives to grow the Federal Government much larger than it could grow with the then current tax system.
        Including the 17th Amendment, and the Federal Reserve Act, the Federal Government could then grow much faster than before.
        Progressives are all about the Leaders. They could care less about the rest of the people other than to Propagandize them and use them to gain more votes.
        Those concerned about Big Bad Corporations need to get a clue and learn the truth — Big Government promotes those Corporations. If you don’t like Crony Capitalists and their special privileges, then you need to vote for less Government not more.

        The Real question in my mind is — Does KG know that and is purposely spreading Propaganda, or is he just spreading his ignorance?

        • KG

          Let’s see…..the biggest government spender before Obama was………..a Republican conservative ‘christian’ who started a war because some dude threatened his ‘daddy’. Oh yea, those ‘small government conservative republicans who manage to spend loads of money on missiles and tanks, but not a penny for poor working folks. Oh yea….I get your point.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You get nothing, KG. I disliked Bush also. I don’t care what the Progressives are named, or which party they belong to.
            You’ve been hanging around this board too long, KG, to not have learned something about Freedom. So the only conclusion I can come to is that your are here to steer good people away from learning the truth.


          • JimH

            KG, Maybe those “poor working folks” wouldn’t need “government help” if they were aloud to keep more of their “own money”.

    • ridge runner

      Want to stop pork bill spend, stop putting in BS goodies in a spending bills by amendments. Every item should be voted on seperately, not stuffed full of goodies for some puke senior senator, like Sheets Byrd, Kennedy, or any other life long crook, in the House or Senate.

      • Patriot66

        That’s my point, Congress members wouldn’t have to do that since all their funding would only be coming from their own State, not the Federal government. They’re only trying to get some of the money confiscated from their citizens and trying to get it back, it’s what they’re paid to do.

  • Martha Murphy

    Everytime I ask a politician about a flat tax, they tell me all the reasons why this would not work, but fail to mention that a flat tax would eliminate all those great payoffs and perks politicians and bureaucrats receive for writing loopholes into the code. Te only problem with eliminating IRS is—what are we going to do with all of those unemployed IRS people who either are mentally ill or who are not qualified or able to do another job if they tried. Please do not count on the Feds to prosecute wrong doers here. They have used the IRS as an “enforcer” for years. We need to call for a Federal Grand Jury and then try to find a Federal Prosecutor who is ethical and courageous.

    • 57girl

      Good luck finding a ‘Federal’ anything that is ethical and courageous. I think the majority of our Federal ’employees’ have sold us out to the highest bidder.

  • ridge runner

    Martha, finding a honest federal prosecutor is a rare as a muslim raising hogs. A flat tax would put a boat load of leech lawyers out of business, as well as stopping Wall Street crooks from creating flim flam investments. When Donald Trump doesn’t ;ike a flat tax and the Congress keep avoiding trying it. It would affect these corrupt pukes the most, and since they write the tax snafu, they write in their shelters With the criminal IRS agents getting passes for breaking laws and not getting jail time or fined, guess they could all start picking up road ditches a pulling weeds, but they are union smucks.

  • Native Blood

    We already have a department of treasury. The IRS is not needed if they are going to be armed and treated as another paramilitary unit.
    We already have the FBI. The DHS, CIA, ICE, is not needed if the FBI is engaged in anti-terrorist activity.
    We already have a border patrol but ICE, customs, and other immigrations programs will not be needed if Amnesty is going to be passed.
    We have way too many obsolete agencies that are just too ineffective and they are just making work for themselves by spying and harassing our own citizens.

    This country is at War and war costs big. The tax rate was very high during WWII and our debt was fairly well under control. Once we get out of minding other country’s business, we can have a better tax rate. Most will argue that the wealthy are providing us commoners jobs…BS! Most very wealthy are outsourcing, hiring illegal slave labor and kicking the youth of America to the curb! Why do you think the government is in a big rush to amnesty half of Mexico? They want to replace all those “greedy” middle class and their kids in the labor force. Welfare and unemployment? Soon to go away! 401Ks, retirement, medicare, social security? Yep that too!
    It does not matter if you are left or right, Heck, they love it that you are fighting each other. They are laughing at you! We are all helpless and we are never going to change the inevitable. Sure, debate it if you like but your kids are placated well enough now that they will never resist what is about to happen to them and all you older retirees, enjoy the good life while you can. America as we knew it is gone and you will never get it back. It is too late, To make life easier for you, Your masters give you media (which you buy) to keep you entertained while they slowly kill you deadweights off.
    I pity us all…we bought into this deception and all is going as planned.

  • Lucy and Ricky

    If for whatever stupid reason the IRS is continued then at least take away MOST of the power they seem to think they have. We do however, need border control. Other country’s are laughing at us. We have lost all respect from other country’s.

  • 57girl

    There are so many ‘issues’ … The IRS is one, but then again so is our illegal President, and the list goes on. I say let’s abolish everything, and everybody, that doesn’t comply with our Constitution.

    We’d all be better off using our time and energy trying to reclaim our Nation from the self-serving ‘lawmakers’ that hold themselves above the people they are supposed to serve.

    I think we should kick the pedestal out from under all of them, and start over. Period.

    • me

      the self serving lawmakers have become like royalty who anymore have the right do decide what we can do and what we can have. Pelosi,Fienstien, Reid, and McCain are prime examples. there is a lot more than them. Over the years they have gave themselves more and more power. i honestly think rand paul and cruz who are members of McCains wacko birds would stand for the constitution and the people. the only way to get rid of the established royalty is the vote. you can bet after the gun control thing, lots of the uncaring voters who never vote and own guns will be out in full force. the vote is about all we have left. It still has more power than the buck. If we don’t do something soon we won’t even have that.

  • Christopher Paul Condon

    The graduated income tax has had a corrupting influence on the American people. If the rich are paying a hugely disproportionate share of the tax burden, this provides an incentive for the rest of the population to demand extravagant levels of government spending. These people, who mostly belong to the Democratic Party, have a vocabulary of one word: more.

  • Doc Savage

    Anybody, I mean anybody continuing to support The Great Usurper, Obama has got to be as dense as The Illegal Commander in Chief!!! Now he bypasses the chain of command, not presenting anything to the Senate or House, and giving Big Unions more time to select small non union companies, no alternative but to let the Union in! At 65 I’ve seen Unions put every business from small to large closing their door for good. The time for Unions is long past. People already have enough hands in our pockets, and the great Liar Obama continues, by making every business charge a tax for Obamacare without printing it on the receipt for what it is. Cabella is the only company with the cohonos to show on each receipt how much tax on the purchase goes to Obamacare. Black, White Yellow, or green, I could care less what color you are, Obama simply put SUCKS, and it’s well past time for us to agree with the entire world that Obama is the biggest traitor we’ve ever had to America. Thank God I didn’t have to serve with this back stabber in the 60’s.

  • v steve

    Flat tax no deductions of any kind. No matter where your money comes from everyone pays the flat tax. Fair tax won`t work because government doesn`t know what fair is. Fair would be like reasonable and what is reasonable to one isn`t reasonable to someone else.