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Yellow Dogs And Democrat Handouts

April 26, 2010 by  

Yellow Dogs And Democrat Handouts

(Part two of a two-part series. The first part was Democrats And The Politics Of Envy.)

Ask a yellow dog Democrat why he’s a Democrat and he’ll usually say it’s because the Democrat Party is the party of the working man. He believes it so strongly that he’d vote for the Democrat over anyone else, even if the Democrat on the ticket was an old yellow dog.

It doesn’t matter that Democrat policies have been devastating to the poor and middle class workers in this country for almost 100 years. The poor and middle class still turn out in droves to vote for them. Democrat politicians have successfully positioned themselves as the party of the poor, and they’ve created an enmity between the poor and the rich.

Democrats leaders perpetuate this enmity with popular slogans like “living wage,” “fair share,” “working poor,” “greedy rich,” “rich Republicans” and “evil profits.” Their rank and file have bought it hook, line and sinker.

The Great Society
By the late 1950s, ever-resilient America had somewhat recovered from the effects of Woodrow Wilson’s policies—the Federal Reserve, the income tax and World War I—and Franklin Delano Roosevelt policies—the New Deal and World War II—and prosperity was returning.

Then along came Lyndon Baines Johnson, the Great Society and the next great expansion of the nanny state. Previous Democrat administration policies had been devastating to the people they purported to help and, with his Great Society programs, Johnson continued the assault on the poor under the guise of giving them a hand up.

Within three years of assuming the Presidency in 1963, Johnson had requested 200 major pieces of legislation and Congress had approved 181 of them, according to Leslie Carbone in Slaying Leviathan: The Moral Case for Tax Reform. She writes:

“Roosevelt had peddled the drug of government give-aways primarily in the poor neighborhoods; Johnson set up shop in middle-class cul-de-sacs, and most Americans, willingly or unwillingly, wittingly or unwittingly, are forced to shoot up. Johnson’s sweeping proposals sought to address almost every issue of concern to Americans: civil rights, poverty, education, health, housing, pollution, the arts, cities, occupational safety, consumer protection, and mass transit, to name only the most prominent.”

As she quotes Johnson aide Joseph Califano from the book Lyndon Johnson and the Great Society, “LBJ adopted programs the way a child eats rich chocolate-chip cookies.”

And what have these programs wrought? Mark Owen, adjunct professor of economics at Northwood University, wrote a column for LewRockwell.com on Feb. 7, 2007 entitled The Welfare State: Shredding Society. In it he said:

“Births out of wedlock were consistently at or below 5% between 1940 and 1960. By 1970, the rate had risen to over 10% and has continued to rise to 33% of all births today… Divorce rates increased from 9 to 23 per 1,000 married couples annually from 1960 to 1980, while leveling off at 20 per 1,000 through 1998. How much of this leveling off in divorce rates is the result of relationships in groups with higher divorce tendencies never evolving past cohabitation is difficult to ascertain. Over half of children born today in the US will live in a single parent household, while in some areas the rate is much higher. It is hard to ignore the statistical relationship between crime and family dissolution.

“While crime and family destabilization may be two of the more obvious results of the welfare state, there are many others. The stigma for single mother births has virtually disappeared. Intergenerational dependency on government programs with the related lack of skills for self-sufficiency, much like a farm animal unable to live without the farmer for food and shelter, has created people without hope or ambition.”

The welfare state has created a cycle of dependency that perpetuates itself. Now there are third and fourth generations of single women living off welfare and raising children in single parent homes.

Typically these women live in urban areas and their children are held hostage to failing inner city schools systems. And Democrat policies are to blame for these failing schools.

In 1965 Johnson signed the Elementary and Secondary Education Act. It provided for aid to poor children in slums and rural areas, created a five-year program for school libraries to buy textbooks and other instructional materials and provided for educational research, among other things. Essentially, the Federal government took over the education of the children, according to Carbone.

Carbone writes: “Representative Charles Goodell warned that the bill’s ‘clear intent is to radically change our historic structure of education by a dramatic shift of power to the federal level.’”

The National Education Association (NEA) teacher’s union, a supporter of Democrat candidates and causes, opposes any and all efforts to inject competition or reform into the failing schools. Therefore Democrats oppose them as well. Combined with local teacher unions, the NEA also fights efforts to change the tenure system which protects the jobs of bad teachers to the detriment of the children.

LBJ’s War on Poverty programs have been dismal failures. According to Carbone in Slaying Leviathan, $800 million was appropriated for the Economic Opportunity Bill of 1964. That bill created the Office of Economic Opportunity (OEO) and 10 other programs. The next year Congress appropriated $1.5 billion for OEO. Between 1965 and 1972 Congress spent $15 billion on the War on Poverty.

“Launching the War Poverty, Johnson declared, ‘[T]he days of the dole are numbered.’ Within two generations, more than $10 trillion have been spent on this war, more in current dollars than was spent to win World War II,” Carbone writes.

And through all that, Democrats are still looking for ways to spend money to fund programs to fight the War on Poverty.

Obama And Echoes Of FDR
Like Herbert Hoover, George W. Bush was a Republican without a conservative soul. And just like Hoover, his policies to battle the recession were all wrong. First was the stimulus bill of 2008, a $150 billion—1 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP)—kick in the economy through tax rebate checks that the government hoped would prevent or shorten the recession.

Next came the $700 billion Emergency Economic Stabilization Act and Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP). “I’ve abandoned free-market principles to save the free market,” Bush said at the time.

Then Obama went one better than Bush. Just two months after taking office he pushed through Congress a $787 billion American Recover and Reinvestment Act of 2009. So within the space of one year more than $1.5 trillion new dollars had been injected into the economy, further eroding the value of the dollars the poor and middle class hold.

What’s more, as Michael Barone writes for The Washington Examiner, “One-third of the 2009 stimulus money went to state and local governments–an obvious payoff to the public employee unions which gave hundreds of millions of dollars to Democrats and got hundreds of billions of dollars in return, to insulate public employee unions from the effects of the recession which has affected everyone else.”

There’s another provision in the bill that provides a sop to unions. The money for “shovel ready” construction projects must be spent on firms using union labor. This raises the cost of the projects and freezes out many non-union poor or middle class construction workers.

But Obama wasn’t finished. Despite the call from the American people to focus on jobs and the economy, Obama and his Congressional allies were single-mindedly pushing through an unconstitutional healthcare program which will cost $940 billion, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates.

Touted as a bill to help the uninsured, it’s not likely to make things better. For one thing, those 32 million new patients are going to be trying to get appointments with the same number of—or fewer—doctors than we currently have. What’s more, the plan cuts Medicare payments and puts mandates on the states to cover more people under Medicaid—the program that insures the poor. This comes at a time when state budgets are in crisis.

Plus, many doctors already refuse to take Medicare and Medicaid patients because the reimbursement is so low. With fewer doctors for fewer patients, that means rationed care. And the poor and middle class, who are unable to afford to pay out of pocket for a doctor’s care, will be the victims of rationed care.

And then there are the tax increases in the bill. According to Bloomberg.com the bill imposes about $69 billion in penalties for individuals and businesses who don’t meet mandates to buy insurance.

And The Hill newspaper reports that the Joint Committee on Taxation, congress’ official score keeper, says the new law will cost taxpayers earning less than $200,000 a year roughly $3.9 billion more in taxes—in 2019 alone—by limiting the medical expense deduction.

On top of this are the taxes on pharmaceutical companies, medical manufacturers and insurance companies which will be passed on to the consumer.

Finally, the healthcare bill will affect smaller rural communities with physician-owned hospitals. According to CNSNews.com, “The new health care overhaul law, which promised increased access and efficiency in health care, will prevent doctor-owned hospitals from adding more rooms and more beds.”

Physician-owned hospitals have higher patient satisfaction, greater control over medical decisions for patients and doctor, better quality care and lower costs, according to Physician Hospitals of America, as quoted by CNSNews.com

The Coming Value-Added Tax
Obama economic advisor and former Federal Reserve Chief Paul Volcker recently suggested that it’s time for America to adopt a value-added tax (VAT). The White House immediately downplayed the idea. Then last week Obama admitted he was on board.

“I know that there’s been a lot of talk around town lately about the value-added tax. That is something that has worked for some countries. It’s something that would be novel for the United States,” Obama told CNBC.

After Volcker’s remarks the Senate passed a nonbinding “sense of the Senate” resolution that calls such a tax “a massive tax increase that will cripple families on fixed income and only further push back America’s economic recovery.”

With the Tea Partiers already incensed over the administration’s policies and Congress’ actions, a VAT is not on the table before the November elections. But it’s coming. You can count on it. After all, it’s European, and Obama is hell-bent on turning American into a European socialist country.

The VAT is a sales tax that is added onto every product at each stage of production. It is a regressive tax that inordinately affects the poor and middle class.

In Slaying Leviathan, Carbone writes: “…the VAT has been disastrous in Europe. As a hidden tax, it is easy to raise and has continually increased. Its complicated nature expands government and makes it expensive to administer. A VAT forces businesses to bear heavy compliance costs in order to serve as tax collectors for the government.”

Food and some necessities are often exempted from the VAT, which helps the consumer but not the business which has to administer it. Combine that with the fact that sometimes many different rates are applied, and the cost of compliance inordinately affects small businesses on which many families depend and which employ the most people, according to Carbone.

In the end, all the VAT will do is grow government and give it more money to spend to further encroach on the lives of Americans while crushing the economy.

Of course, growing government and creating a cycle of dependency is the goal of the Democrats. Party of the working man (or woman)? Not hardly. Not even old yellow dogs lying under the porch waiting for handouts thrive under Democrat policies.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • JeffH

    Congressman charges Obama with ‘increasing danger’ in the world
    By Bridget Johnson – 04/25/10 02:26 PM ET
    The tone against the Obama administration over its Israel policy is sharpening on both sides of the aisle, with one Republican congressman charging that the president is “increasing danger” in the world.

    Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), a longtime supporter of Israel, said on a radio show last week that the administration’s stance on the issue — and “terrible” treatment of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu — has been “counterproductive.”
    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/94199-congressman-charges-obama-with-increasing-danger-in-the-world-

    • skipfoss

      This goes to show that this Muslim Commubist president will not defend Isreal or America if the Islamic Jihadist attack either country,Every day he shows his distain for America and our allies.If they are not a Muslim country he has no intention of prtecting them or us.I look for him to declare Sharia law and start arresting thoose that oppose him,just give him a few more moths for him to get his brown shirt or blue helmet UN backed interpol police as included in EO12245 that he signed in secret,he will start aressting TeaParty protesters as anti Obama protesters and have us put in camps. It will probably start in Arizona were people are sick and tired of being over run by these illegal wet back cockroaches

      • J.D.

        If they try that with me, they’ll be dragging a corpse to camp. I won’t take it.

        • Don

          In many countries they have done just that. Pol Pot killed millions, Stalin killed millions, Mao killed millions, Hitler killed millions and the list goes on and on.

          • denniso

            Skip…you sound like a wannabe Nazi. Calling people ‘cockroaches’…you’re a pathetic excuse for a human,let alone an American. Have you read enough history to know that Hitler demonized people just like that…dehumanizing people into rats or vermin…disgusting,and your comment should be censored by the site.
            But don’t worry,none of the rightwingers here will call you on this because they either feel the same or want to keep everyone they can on their side. Even animals like you.

          • Mary

            If you want your reply to be taken seriously, you may want to follow your own advice and not call another person an “animal.” It destroys your argument pretty quickly.

          • denniso

            Mary, if someone calls a group of people ‘cockroaches’ and uses Hitler like tactics to demonize and spread hate,that person doesn’t deserve any respect and ‘animal’ is too good a word for him. We should all be standing up against this kind of hatemongering and call thes people what they are…animals w/ no conscience or morality.

          • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

            DENNISO
            yOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOUR OWN LEFTIST PROGRSSIVE PARTY.

          • denniso

            Ok genius, who is calling people ‘cockroaches’?? You’re rightwing buddies are.

          • Darrel

            Don,

            Looks like the lefties let Denniso out of his cage. Minor nuisance, we’ll just ignore his liberal spewing, just like always. Newbies to the site – notice: Denniso is the poster child of spin and decption as brainwashed by the Obamanation cronies. Investigate and you too will see the truth.

          • Elray

            denniso–I hope you watched your Progressive, criminal supporting pals on May Day riot and “protest”-Tea Party people don’t smash windows and throw rocks and bottles at the police-What are they protesting? Legal Americans enforcing our laws. I don’t see any comment from you about the racist MEXICAN immigration law.
            If you are trying to say that this administration isn’t trying to force a “global” conscience then you are almost drowning in your LIBERAL kool-aid.
            You want to call whites racists and Nazis but who just ended the sunset clause on the Patriot Act? That would be the party you support who wouldn’t know the Constitution if it bit them in the butt.
            You only want the protection of the Constitution for ILLEGALS and TERRORISTS!
            When the word ILLEGAL is part of the description of your status, then you just might be a criminal!
            Your side has no concern to hear any opposition, when you have used up your limit on your “race card” where will you get your only talking point from then?

  • JeffH

    Democrats’ Long-Held Seats Face G.O.P. Threat
    By JEFF ZELENY and ADAM NAGOURNEY
    Published: April 24, 2010

    ASHLAND, Wis. — Representative David R. Obey has won 21 straight races, easily prevailing through wars and economic crises that have spanned presidencies from Nixon’s to Obama’s. Yet the discontent with Washington surging through politics is now threatening not only his seat but also Democratic control of Congress.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/25/us/politics/25campaign.html?hp

  • JeffH

    The quicker we get rid of the socialists, the quicker we can get America back on track for a strong recovery.

    • Harold Olsen

      I’m a working man but those SOB Democrats do nothing to help me. In a good year I make $25,000 which, I don’t believe, even makes me middle class. All the Democrats do is raise taxes, and spend the money on programs that don’t work. Tax, spend and waste. That is what a Democrat does. I will never vote for a Democrat. When I was a Democrat, which I was until I was about 29, I only voted for a Democrat for president once, and that was in 1972 when voted for McGovern and when he lost I was delighted. The Democrats do nothing four the working man but prevent us from having enough money so live on. As far as they are concerned, the money we make belongs to them, not us. If it weren’t for the Republicans over the years, I probably wouldn’t even have as much money as I have now. Every year when I do my taxes I use the EZ form. This year, I discovered I couldn’t even though I made less money than the previous year. This was due to some changes in the tax law. The last time this exact same thing happened was when Clinton was in office. Whenever a Democrat is in the White House I pay more taxes. THROW THE BUMS OUT!!

    • Richard William Faith

      Amen to getting rid of the socialists. Here’s a switch on on old phrase that has meant the wrong thing for many years too long: “government control”. I personally do advocate government control, but not the kind you might thing. I think it’s long overdue that we SEIZE CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT. WE SHOULD CONTROL IT, AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
      Regarding third parties, let’s not go there. Depending on which major party has a majority in a close election, all a third party will ever accomplish is to skew the vote tally and possibly produce an unexpectedly bad result. What could fix this (but probably won’t happen in my lifetime) is a Constitutional amendment providing that we voters would have the option to indicate first and second choices on our ballots: we could vote for a third party, and our vote would automatically transfer to our own candidate of second choice in the (overwhelmingly likely) event that our first-choice (e.g., third-party) candidate didn’t get enough votes to be elected. Even better, we could abolish elections entirely, and instead pick names out of a hat (with no felons on non-citizens among them). We would then be governed by THE PEOPLE (ourselves) rather than so-called “representatives” of the people (who soon cease to “represent” us once they get to be career politicians). PARTIES cause this to happen; if occupants of public office were selected by drawing, parties would immediately loose their sustenance (money would no longer be involved in putting people into office) and their reason for existing. Long “live” the “death” of them! Term limits would be assured by establishing that no one who has already served would have his name in the hat for another term. Service in public office would then be “service” indeed; public office would be something a person gets DRAFTED into, against his will. This is a good thing; it helps to avoid conflicts of interest. Since all public office would work on a single-term basis, we could not merely make them have to have the same retirement and health coverage as the rest of us, nay, we could do much better: irrevocably establish that they get no health coverage, and no retirement. In a single-term situation, they wouldn’t need it. Of course, they could buy their own, out of pocket, not on OUR dime.
      The most persuasive argument I’ve heard so far about my proposal (other than it will sadly never happen) is that we’d have inexperienced people in office. What the Hell do you think we have now? ‘Nuff said.

      • Don

        I have always been against term limits but what I have seen happen in the last ten years makes me believe that term limits are necessary for the survival of our Democratic Republic. I also believe that there should be no form of retirement for people in Congress and in the White House (except limit Secret Service Protection for the President and Vice-President for a limited period of time, say ten years). If Congress wants to vote in a raise for itself it should not go into effect until every member of that congress is no longer in Congress. I wish I could just vote myself a raise anytime I want to. These will take Constitutional amendments but they are past due.

        • marvin

          don here is something for you that voting for a raise is wrong it is automatic ever year unless they vote not to get a raise or give it back

        • http://YellowDogsandDemocratHandouts. Lester Havens

          The founding fathers never intended for a Congressman to have a lifetime job. Because there have been no term limits we have “Fat Cat” Congressman like Charlie Rangel who play the system for their own personal gain. Their should be term limits because once a Congressman has two terms under his belt, he is corrupt and has found his own personal cash cow. All Congressman, “good or bad”, should be limited to two terms.

      • gary kindy

        As far as third parties will only help split the vote let alone ever get elected is from the brain washed idea that there are only 2 choices. AS long as people keep buying into this idea, which by the way the two parties love you for thinking this way, this country will keep on its’ downward spiral of socialism. We have seen politicians are in it for a career and the bucks. It sure is not for love of country as they want us to believe.
        You talk about getting the main stream citizens in office to replace the crooks. If we will get off the brainwashed 2 party only system as our only choice then we could do just that. GOOOH.com tells of how it can be done. It is time the people said YES WE CAN since we know that politicians yes we can added onto with shear the sheople! And that should not even be thought of being anything like share with the people.
        It really does not matter if we have a democrat or a rebublican in office as both just do the deeds written for them to follow. And those deeds are not from or for the citizens but rather against them.
        You just watch in the not to far future we will not have the internet to discuss or unite as Obama has passed law that in the interests of government the internet can be shut down. Divide and conquer.
        It is about time we the people get together and change our direction away from their directions.

    • Di

      Our government buracy, debt, laws, lies, corruption, and socialist revelution is such an evil empire against our constitution that I consider continuing to think we can “recover America” by an election to be bazaar. There is a revolution going on and a deceitful president using elected powers to distroy the America of our forefathers. He and those who also use their elected powers to do this should be called what they are, criminals and traitors and they and their ideas need to be criminalized and hated as much as an evil dictator. We need to tell our children every generation to spot this and condemn this wherever it appears!

      We need to ammend our constitution to limit congressional power and corruption by term limits and to have a way to remove the president and/or public officials who shows they are not in line with our constitution.

      When criminals use our system to game their revelotion, an election won’t bother them or stop them. By the way, another name for a traitor to American ideals is a socialist.

      • Don

        There is a time to try change things peacefully and I believe we are still in that time. I also believe that every freedom loving American should start preparing themselves for the unpeaceful process that our great forefathers had to live through. If we can stop these traitors peacefully sobeit but if not then we will have to stop them with force.

        • scott

          (comment removed for offensive content)

          • http://?? Joe H.

            scott,
            after that post, I hope you won’t say you are a conservative!! you have just used two words I dispise And I would thank you not to use them here again as would most all here from both sides of the isle!!!
            There are no n-words here and no damp people either, got it??

          • JeffH

            Joe H., scott has been chastised as much or more than anyone has ever been on his site. He’s either a liberal plant or one of those leftwing exttremists we’ve been warned about.

          • libertytrain

            JeffH – my money is on a planted extremist lib.

        • http://ohioteaparty.com Jon Hogan

          My latest purchase: http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm, it IS time to prepare for what I hope will not have to happen.
          P.S.: The new cartridges for this will penatrate 4 layers of body armor…FYI

          • denniso

            Well, isn’t that sweet??? Do you ‘sleep’ w/ it too?

      • Rubi

        Hi, Di
        Perhaps you have something there about an amendment to our Constitution even though Article II, Section 4 of our Constitution clearly states: “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

        Article II, Section 3: “Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” In my limited knowledge I still can mention a few instances where this has happened and, in my opinion, is still happening.

        Problem is that in Article I, Section 3 it reads: “The Senate shall have the sole Powers to try all Impeachments. . . . When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside.”

        Article II, Section 1: Regarding the newly elected President: “Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:- ‘I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.’”

        Now one of my favorites is Amendment number nine (9) which states that certain rights not enumerated in the Constitution shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
        This covers a lot of ground! And our present powers that be are treading all over this one!!!! Notice that it reads “…shall NOT BE CONSTRUED TO DENY OR DISPARAGE OTHERS RETAINED BY THE PEOPLE.”

  • Claire

    As a proud owner of 8 dogs, there is no way I would compare any of my dogs to a Democrat. My dogs have more intelligence and they are certainly more honest. I trust my dogs, I do not trust Democrats.

    • Claire

      I realize the terminology “yellow dog” is not quite the same meaning as what I posted above, but this is how I feel.

      • Jana

        Claire,
        I understand completely. That’s about how we all feel right now. We are even skeptical of them coming up with anything good and if they did we would probably be digging in their garbage trying to find out what’s behind it. We just don’t trust hardly any politician to do the right thing now.

        • Claire

          Jana: These are scary times, and we have to hang on to all of the “good” we can in life. I just do not have a good feeling for the future. I am not being doom and gloom but I just can’t see the tide turning back for the better. I have a gut feeling our world is going to come tumbling down around us. And God help me for saying this, I don’t think the elections are going to help. Even if the elections become an upset for the Democrats, it will take years to get out of this mess. I don’t have any answers, but I hope and pray someone does.

          • denniso

            Hi Claire…you say you don’t trust Dems, but are you saying you DO trust Repubs?

          • Jana

            Claire, I know what you mean, but remember Who you belong to. And no matter what happens be secure in the fact that He is not mad at us, only those that are against Him. He was with Shadrak Meshak and Abednego in the furnace and not even one hair on their heads were singed. They didn’t even smell of smoke. We are on His side and He will take care of us too. We have nothing to fear. Just pray and hold on to Him. Smiles.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Claire,
            How is your pup and what happened?? I asked this last nite but I can’t seem to find it! did she get poked in the eye?? I had a collie that tangled with a coon and lost an eye to it, It lost it’s life in the bargain. The dog never slowed down after a period of adjustment. She would hunt rabbit nests and bring the young ones to me by the scruff of the neck, never hurt them. I never could break her of that, she thought she had brought me the finest gift she could give me!! I miss that ole’ dog. She died at sixteen!!! By the time she died I think she and I both were ready. She had some real bad arthritis in her hips and could bearly walk. vet said with the meds she was on she wasn’t in pain but it broke my heart to see her want to follow me and couldn’t. I got a Beagle now and he’s my boy. Lays on his daddys lap every nite!! He’s a lot of company when I’m here alone!!

          • JeffH

            Claire, good answer. You’re always nice, even when someone will try to put words in our mouth. You do get your point across though.

            My “Duke” Gordon Setter was a real character. He never barked, at anything, except when he and I were playing together. The commuication factor was amazing because he could “talk” with whines and low howls but never barked at another human or dog, and I do mean never. He filled my heart with joy.

          • coal miner

            Claire,

            Tell that idiot,Al Sieber he better go back to school.548 violations and still counting.

            abcnews.go.com/Blotter/west-virginia-mine-disaster-repeated-safety-violations-

          • Darrel

            Denniso is a lib plant – ignore him.

          • denniso

            A ‘liberal plant’?? Does that mean I get paid for this? Or does it mean that I’m leafy and hearty?

        • Claire

          denniso–You know me well enough by now and may have read some of my posts. At this point in time I have distrust for both parties until such time they get their rears in gear, shape up and fly right. Pardon the pun. You have to admit, we need some good honest people in our government and I don’t know of very many that fit this category, do you? And don’t tell me the Democrats are the “one” and “only” party. I don’t and won’t buy it.

          • denniso

            Claire…I’m a registered independent. I think there are decent people in all the parties who work hard and dedicate their lives to helping run the country. I just happen to believe,after 45 yrs of looking at the issues that the Dems try harder for the regular people and the Repubs work mostly for the corporations and the NRA. There are corrupt people in all walks of live…why would it be any different in politics? No they’re not saints, but I think that the rightwing attitude that they’re all crooks is simplistic and wrong and doesn’t help fix the gov’t and the country.

    • TIME

      Claire,
      I just had to say, there is nothing like a dog, they are the best.
      We have 2 and they are like our kids.
      We take them to visit folks at a retirement home once a month, the puppys love it and the folks living there are just thrilled, so much so they asked the diretor if they could keep our puppys.

      Forgive me for being of topic.

      • Claire

        TIME–I had 2 certified therapy dogs, Katie and Sandra Dee-They have passed away, and now I take their daughters and granddaughters to the nursing homes and hospitals. Wonderful dogs. They give me a lot of joy. They make me forget the problems of the day and the world.

    • JLC

      Claire, they probably win more BoB’s too !

      • Claire

        JLC–Yes, a lot of BOBs. And winning pictures. I started showing in 1992. But I have had German Shorthaired Pointers since 1971, just did not show until later. It has been a great time. I have been to almost all of the 50 states. Had a wonderful time and met a lot of great people. My dogs have done well. Now I am down to 2 males (I co-own them with a lady in Florida-She bred her female to my “Tanner”) to get their championship and then I will hang it up. My last litter was in 2001, I have to “outlive” what I have. And I must give them all a good life, and the older ones are hanging in there.

        • JLC

          Hi Claire — I didn’t really expect a response to that remark, but I had to get it in. I had Alaskan Malamutes, more years ago than I like to think about. My prinary interest was sled-dog racing, but I also showed. My lead dog was a frequent BoB but, beyond that, one Group 2 was the best that he ever did. When I got to the age that any night I might go to bed and forget to wake up the next morning, I decided that it wasn’t fair to the dogs so placed them in pet homes. We didn’t win a lot of races against the lighter, faster dogs, but we had a lot of fun.

          • Claire

            JLC–I am so totally off the subject but I agree with you, I am also at that “age.” One never knows what can happen. I lost 3 of my old girls last year. Sofia Loren, Diamond Lil, and Sandra Dee. They were sisters and they were 14 years old. It was heartbreaking. I lost their mother Katie 4 years before. Hopefully I will outlive everyone. But my family will take care of them if something happens to me. I have 6 that are 9, 10, and 11 years old and two brothers that are 3. I have them cremated when they pass away and they will be in the casket with me!! That casket will sure be heavy! I will need 8 pallbearers instead of 6!! I tease my husband about this. But he is so goodnatured that he goes along with what I want. I am one of those goofy people, I guess. LOL

          • Claire

            JLC–Here I go again-one of my girls that I co-own with the lady in Florida was the #6 GSP last year. One of my males who is 9 now won Best Bred by Exhibitor at the GSP Nationals in Pennsylvania in 2004. Awesome win. He beat all the big kennel names here in the States for that win. I almost had a heart attack. They are all champions except for the two 3-year-old males. Gotta get them finished.
            Alaskan Malamutes are great dogs. I know some people in the dog show club that raise them, but just for show.
            I have to quit, or people will get mad at me for being off the subject. LOL

          • Jana

            Claire,
            I am laughing here and getting tickled. I love your dogs names. I know they are just as sweet as you are.
            Smiles

          • Claire

            Jana–My precious Sandra Dee was Robin’s mother. Robin is a lot like her mama. These are their “call” names. Their AKC names are all about songs. For example– Sandra Dee was CH Sandy Creek’s Sable Sinfonie and Robin’s AKC name is Ch Sandy Creek’s Bolero. Bolero is the song from the Bo Derek movie “Ten.” My male “Dusty” is CH Sandy Creek’s Sharp Dressed Man–from the ZZ Top song. He has a big liver heart-shaped patch on his side. My other male “Tanner” is Ch Sandy Creek’s Santana — from Carlos Santana’s group. Anyway, I could go on and on. I have really been on the rant about my dogs tonight. Sorry!

    • George E

      I love your humor.

      • Claire

        George E — My dogs give me a sense of humor. They keep me happy in the “rough times” as well as the “good times.” They are great.

        • kilrntex

          It warms my heart to read about people and their dogs. I have black faced German Shepard Dogs that are dear to my soul and one has already been cremated. He died three years ago and I will never get over him, but I really believe he’s in heaven waiting for me and his mate who is nine yrs of age. She won’t last much longer because of her hips. I’ve been amazed at how smart these dogs are and how loyal they are. I’ll get a couple more soon at the GSD Rescue in N.Texas. Now to get back to ripping these idiots ruining and running our country. They reach out to the poor for the vote and work behind the scenes to ensure that these people stay poor. Obama doesn’t want the blacks to have a better life. Giving amnesty to 15 million illegals will only worsen the jobless numbers in America. They will put more blacks, hispanics, whites, and native Americans out of work. The Tea Party / Repubs need to campaign hard on these issues to the heart and soul of the democrat base and back it up! Open their eyes with the real truth. They have been lied to long enough and we need to make sure they hear it time after time until they believe it. Isn’t the truth easier to believe than a lie. Sure Obama’s evil doers are taking lessons from Hitler’s bunch in WWII and making idiots out of the poor and misinformed, but we can still get to these people with the truth. Just keep pouring it on. God Bless This Christian Nation…..Again!

          • Jana

            kilrntex,
            I believe your German Shepherd is waiting for you in heaven too. God loves the animals that He created and they have such precious spirits.

            I agree that the TEA Party groups need to get together and start making some guidelines for people to watch for when they vote. Some educational guidelines. It would be good if we could get both Republicans and Democracts in that were for smaller Gov’t. and back to the constitution.

            This is exactly what the Libs / Socialists are afraid that will happen, so we might as well become their worst nightmare, heh heh. (That was a deep throaty malicious laugh there. LOL)

            And yes, GOD BLESS AMERICA —-AGAIN.

          • Claire

            kilrntex–Bless you and your dog. And bless you for giving them your heart and a wonderful home. Your love for your dog speaks volumes and tells me that you are a good, kind, and sincere person.

        • Palin12

          I have 2 dogs also…Italian Greyhounds. Love to watch them run at the dog park.

          • Claire

            Palin12–IGs are great dogs, too. They are so fast! And they look so fragile but they are tough dogs. Good for you!! You are another person that has a good heart! People that love dogs are #1 in my book.

    • Harold Olsen

      Claire:
      Dogs are man’s best friend. Democrats are man’s (especially the working man’s) worst enemy.

      • Claire

        Harold Olsen– Dogs are wonderful friends and companions. That puppy picture in the article above is adorable. It is shame to compare the little puppy to a Democrat!!!

    • kate8

      You are right, Claire. Using the words “dog” and “democrat” in the same breath is an insult to dogs. Dogs are loyal, loving and care about your well-being.

      • Claire

        kate8— I would never insult a dog by calling them a Democrat. And I meant what I said, they are honest, loyal, and intelligent. My dogs “read” me like a book!

      • Jana

        kate8

        AMEN.

  • American liberal

    This articals nonsense… The republicans have always been anti worker and anti union…. This is a great opportunity to pointout the Massey mine disaster just 2 weeksago… Don Blankenship the mines CEO and tea bag member called being fined for Safety violations the ” Cost of doing business”…the Massey mine was fined over 2000 times this year…. That’s how much republicans care about the American worker…. Without Democrats fighting to give you a real working wage you’d be working below minimum wage in unsafe condictions… Look which party has been aginst unemployment checks for those workers depending on unemployment checks to feed their familys…it was republicans who Deregulated the banks and caused this recession…. Republicans only favor big business….of course Bob Livingstons aginst the democrats… His big tax cuts set to expire in 2011… And if those huge republican tax cuts to the rich worked.. Why are we in the worse recession since the 1930′s?…republicans give us wars and recessions… Democrats benifit the American people….republicans are an economic disaster… Republicans are the real party of tyranny…ask yourself this question… Which party do you think those wallstreet Ceo that we just bailedout and then had the nerve to take bonuses … Which party do they belong to?…republican.. The party for the rich

    • William Nealey

      american liberal you sound like a yellow dog stupid democrat,

      • Hollywood

        He may not be stupid, just ill-informed.

        • Walt

          Hollywood is a libtard town, and you sound libtard yourself. You libtards are easy to spot. There is no ill informed, we all have our choices to make. What you call ill informed is just fence straddling. You think you can have it both ways, you have no conviction, a sure sign you are libtard. The lukewarm shall be spat out first, that is you, my friend. There is black and there is white, never grey. Sitting on your fence you are just a big target for both sides. There is good and there is evil, never ill informed. You can write, but you can’t hide, Hollywood libtard. You are in the crosshairs, make up your mind. Hurry back Lord and Your Will be done.
          LET’S GET THE PARTY STARTED!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Jana

          Actually, I have never seen American Liberal write anything positive. He is a negative nelly.

          • Jim H.

            Jana, Maybe he needs a dog. It might bring something positive into his petty, sour life.

    • JudyM

      I somewhat agree with the adopted conservative. He is correct about the origin of unions. They were created because of management abuse at the beginning of the Century and were badly needed. I guess this is why I was a Democrat for 25 years. Somewhere along the line, the Dems decided they would never be a majority with labor and added feminists, leftist Jews, the black vote, gays, and really, really went after the Hispanic vote in 2008. This coalition of groups (some of whom do not even like each other) is brilliant politics even if it’s false marketing. One just needs to look at Detroit to see the failure in spite of an influx of big government and organized labor. You can buy a home there, which once sold for $250,000, for $7000 today. Unions, especially AFSCME and NEA care little about the communities they serve and are all about extorting more money from taxpayers, but have no problem owning golf courses and paying their execs millions of dollars.
      Millions of young women have babies out of wedlock while cohabitating, and claim they are on their own so they can collect government benefits and no one checks up to see if this is true. We get what we pay for and now we are paying for babies born out of wedlock, people to stay home and not look for work, people (millions) who have come to this country illegally, and sadly, for the ACLU to challenge anyone who questions this system (yes, we pay for the ACLU). The Democrats were once a proud political party, They have now given us a President who has less experience than the manager of your local convenience store. Truly. Republicans have made big mistakes, make no doubt about it, but are not yet willing to sell the soul of America for political gain. Read the book, House of Cards, about the finiancial meltdown and you will see many of Obama’s administration thick in the middle of the financial crisis.

    • Kirk

      You did not even make one factual point in your emotional rant. The dems are for keeping the people currently on the plantation right where they are. If you promise the ignorant ignorance, how do they know any better. And please get off that old bandwagon that the dems are for the little guy. They sit back and laugh at your ignorance for voting for them all the while counting their MILLIONS. GROW UP and smell the dem hypocrisy.

    • Al Sieber

      Amer. Lib., mining and geology is my profession, and you can’t always blame the mine owner. mine safety inspection falls under 3-different agencies, 2-federal, and 1-state. if you get cited you have to fix the problem and thats the miners responsibility. apparently it was loose wiring, and they hit a pocket of methane gas. accidents happen. don’t always blame the corporations.

      • George E

        Thanks, Al, for enlightening us. Too often folks just want to blame someone (the company is an easy target with deep pockets) when things go wrong, and too often this results in more regulation whether helpful or not. We need more objective analyses of these problems to get at the true root causes.

        • Jana

          Al S
          Yes, that was defintely an informational post that the ‘news agencies’ would never bother to enlighten anyone about. Thanks for sharing.

      • Claire

        Al Seiber— And thank you for sharing this information. It makes me feel a bit better. I was blaming the company totally. I feel so bad for the families. Tragic accident.

      • JeffH

        Al Sieber, thanks for the clarification. You have exposed others that continually cast the capitalist corporations as the constant enemy and are wholly responsible for all that is wrong in the country.

      • coal miner

        Al scab sieber,

        Tell me what rock dust is,how do you use it?
        Tell me what is a bridge crew is.
        Timber crew?
        augar operator?
        do you rock dust the face or ribs? What is a face,ribs
        Jack setter?
        Bradishes what are they?
        Have you ever work in a mines?
        What is a belt?
        Bad top?
        Kettle bottoms?
        what is a bolt man?
        Jeep driver?
        What is safest length for the top, rods should be? twelve inch,two feet three feet or none of the above?

        I never had a Mining accident. You are liar.I don’t think you are anything,but hot air.You know very little about mining. There were 450 violations, that was reported on CNN,so peddle your —- somewhere else.You sound like that idiot CR747.Don’t try to fool an experience coal miner.It won’t work.I have no use for scabs.Have nice day.

    • Save America Susie

      I personally know plenty of American workers who do not believe in the “union” concept. They just want to be free. A union can be an angel or a devil, depending. You can also always get another job that doesn’t put you in jeopardy in the mines. It’s a choice. A person who always votes according to the label of a party,regardless of what the party may have “CHANGED” into, or regardless of WHO the candidate is, is illustrating they are just not thinking. I am conservative, but I have voted a couple of times for a democrat in my life. I think about the CANDIDATE and the ISSUES. I am not stuck on a label. At least BLUE DOGS are closer to reaching across the isle than YELLOW DOGS. I think about what is best for the keeping America Alive, not just what’s in it for me.

    • skipfoss

      American Liberal your name says’s it all but leave out the American it would be better to to use Union Liberal,when are you liberal Obamabots going to start putting the blame where it belongs this jackass muslim communist you call president has been in long enough to start shouldering his own screw ups ,the dems have been incontrol since 2006 so get off the Bush did it bull [offensive word removed],and far as unions being for the workers that is the biggest pile of the century I was a member of the carpenters abd jointers union for 12 years until I wisaed up and told them where to put it ,my old man was one of the guys that helped start the teamsters but after 35 years they sold him out to the company when faulty equipment caused him and his partner whrech wnthe fith wheel broke off on a turn and fliped the rig , and when he fought them in court the sorry bastards blew up our home so I have no use for any union or any one namemed Hoffa. you can take your unions and you progressive For the working people dumasacrats and shove them

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      American Liberal needs to educate himself with recent history, from the Eisenhower administration till today. Congress contols the purse strings of the United States and thereby its economy. Since the Eisenhower administration, which had a great economy, the only time we’ve had a recession is when the Democrats gained control of both houses of Congress or one house and the presidency, a historical fact. This includes President Kennedy and the idolized President Clinton. Few Democrats want to remember the first two years of the Clinton administration since it was the worse recession the country had been in before the Carter administration. We only came out of that recession because of Clinton’s first mid-term elections created a landslide victory for the Republicans in both houses of Congress, mainly because of the ‘Contract for America’ which the Republicans ran on and promised to pass within the first 100 days of their victory. What most people said was impossible happened and the next miracle was that they passed it in less than 30 days. This alone brought us out of another Democratic recession and since Bill Clinton was President, he got all the credit. This ecomic boom for President Clinton lasted until his second mid-term election, where the Democrats again gained control of one house in Congress, after which in Clinton’s last two quarters in office the country again went into a recession which the Bush administration inherited. For the first two quarters of the Bush administration the Democrats blamed him for the rising high unemployment, that since the Republicans gained control of both houses again when Bush was elected President was turned around and employment numbers started rising and surpassed the Clinton administration in jobs created. For six years the Bush economy boomed, with not enough people to fill all the jobs created. Only after Bush’s second mid-term elction (six months after), did the economy start to slip into another recession because the Democrats had again gained control of the Congress. Now the Democrats have also gained conrol of the presidency, and not since the entire Carter administration and the first two years of the Clinton admistration has this happened, which have been the times of the worst recessions in the United States history since the Great Depression, which historians say President Roosevelt caused to be prolonged even though he put some people back to work with government made jobs. This is historical fact, because I’ve lived through it all, and is the reason this recession has gotten so much worse, unlike after Bush became President, since Obama has become President and will only get worse until a change from the current people in power. If you think what I’ve said is lies or propaganda, then go to your nearest library and look up the facts, they are there just as I have said. Sorry!

      About the Unions that you are so proud of too. From 1950 till 1980 the American automobile industry was the greatest in the world, until the unions demanded and got the highest pay and most benefits that was ever given to assembly line workers any where in the world. This caused the the cost of our automobiles to increase to a point where they could not compete with the foreign market, which then came to America and took over. The American industry after having capitulated to the unions, needed to sell many more vehicles to make up for the high pay and benefits they now had to pay to their workers, and to do so had to engineer built-in-obsolesence in order to keep selling as many vehicles it would take to pay for the workers and their benifits. It is this reason, the unions, that the American atomobile industry is less than half of what it once was and is two thirds owned by the government today. But thats not all we can thank your beloved unions for, because the rest of the American industry complex is eighty percent of what it once was because the American entreprenuer, in order to compete in a world market that all industry is based on today, had to move to other countries, where they are not held hostage by unions, to produce a competable product, therby helping these Democratic recessions.

      I fear that what the Democrats have already done under the Obama administration, and the laws that they are about to pass, will destroy this great nation and cause a second Civil War. For I believe that it is already to late for the Democratic land-slide defeat in the coming November Elections to make a difference and correct our countries direction. The damage already done is just to great, and only through divine intervention caused by prayer to GOD that the coming disasters may be avoided and our great nation return to the glory GOD once gave it.

      • Patriot67

        Untilwe return to the basics of the Bible and pray to God for a revival and to save us, then we are doomed! The sins of our countires past are here and the sins are going to be our downfall if we dont repent and stop sinning. Jesus didnt tell the woman at the well to sin less, he told her to go and sin NO more………

      • BigBadJohn

        WOW TALK ABOUT REVISIONIST HISTORY!

        Here are the dates of the recognized recessions back to 1970 – I added the president who’s term they were during:

        Dec. 1969-Nov. 1970 11 – Nixon
        Nov. 1973-March 1975 16 – Nixon/Ford
        Jan. 1980-July 1980 6 – Ronald Reagan
        July 1981-Nov. 1982 16 – Ronald Reagan
        July 1990-March 1991 8 – George H Bush
        March 2001-Nov. 2001 8 – George W Bush
        Sept 2008 – George W Bush – Obama

        So you are claiming the contract with America caused Clinton good economy in 1994? Which recession was that? Bush’s recession was over by then. Which part that contract caused the good economy, the balanced budget amendment or term limitations?

        Pay attention to those dates, where are either of those recessions you claim during the Clinton years?

        Looking at the above dates my conclusion would be – elect a republican president, get at least one recession per term…..

        • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

          It’s not a recession unless a full 3/4 of the year are recessionary.
          So you are going to have to delete your observation for 01/80 – 7/80 only 6 mos. 07/90 – 03/91 only 8 mos. and 03/01 – 11/01 only 8 months as well. That leaves you with only 3 periods. But to the point that progressives don’t show the correct facts only the ones that suit them. During that time period you forgot Jimmy Carter, The worst recession was during his term in the time period that you so triumpantly show. Did you forget him!!!!!!!or just omit him. I’m thinking the later!!!! But lets go a little further: Truman; Roosevelt;and Wilson!!!!(gotta luv that communist Wlson. Roosevelt had
          4 terms to straighten out the economy and still couldn’t do it!!!!! Oh and by the way even I used to like Clinton, His admin started the dip into recession for the Bush era. Give me facts on that. I’ll show you where your wrong!!!!!

          • BigBadJohn

            Here are the lists that I could find for recessions of the 20th century, if you have a better list please supply.

            http://www.cnbc.com/id/20510977/A_History_of_Recessions

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States

            According to both of these there was no recession during Jimmy Carter. That bad recession was while Reagan was president. We did have 14% interest rates under Carter but that was because Carter told Volcker to halt inflation. As I recall Ford printed up a bunch of buttons that said “Whip Inflation Now”. That was the extent of his inflation fighting.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

            American Liberal talks a about revisionist history, becaus he’s good at it. The first two years of the Clinto administration was a recession, just as I had said, worst from the Carter administration. When Obama was in office for only six months the major news agancies (Liberal Commentariers) was comparing this recession as gotten as bad as during the Clintons first two years. If there wasn’t a recession, then how did the Republicans pull of a land-slide victory in both Houses of Congress with the promise of the ‘Contract for America’, which 21 of the 23 items all pertained to rebuilding the economy. If Clinton and the Democrats had done such a superlative job his first two years, then how did they lose that huge majority they had? Try to revise that. By the way, the only thing that pulled us out of the Great Depression during Roosevelt’s terms was W.W.II, not anything that Roosevelt did.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

            If no recession during the Carter administration, then why the invention of the missery index during his term, double digit un-employment, double digit inflation, and double digit interest rates.
            were all you people just children when this was happening, or do you just not want to remember these things, because I lived through them and remember them clearly.

          • BigBadJohn

            Randy, If you do not like the references I supplied for recessions, please supply something better.

            Yes I remember GH Bush’s recession, I was laid off in 91 and Bush kept vetoing unemployment extension saying “the recession is over” that was 1992. But the economy was improving even at that time. It took two years to get back the jobs that were lost under GH Bush. But the economy was growing from 1992-1994.

            I also remember Carters double digit interest rates. I went broke selling real estate at that time – but was able to find another career making more money.

    • Mathdude

      American liberal, I was quite amused at your rant against the banking industry. First of all, most of the banking executives you mentioned were and are democrats; I guess you missed that article that came out last fall. Also, the housing market meltdown was a result of the lax lending standards ushered in under the Clinton administration. Furthermore, this recession isn’t the worst one since the 1930s, the Carter recession was worse in terms of unemployment and inflation. Furthermore, it has been Obama’s policies that has extended this recession and made the recovery slower and less potent. His policies of taking over entire industries and spending money like a drunken sailor on shore leave after 6 months at sea almost guarantee a double dip recession. The real problem is that you and many others think that one party or another can solve our problems. The problem is the party system. Neither party has the best interest of the American people at heart, but until all Americans refuse to vote for a candidate from any party, we will continue to get special interest candidates whose only desire will be to retain their power, and therefore their office, at any cost.

      • kate8

        Forget it, Mathdide. American Liberal is an agitator. He goes off on he same rants every day, and isn’t interested in facts. He’s a true believer in the leftist push toward national suicide.

      • BigBadJohn

        Think you got your dates wrong the worse unemployment was three years into Ronald Reagan’s first term. Please do not believe me – check it out for yourself!

        Here is a start but please find your own:
        http://www.miseryindex.us/urbymonth.asp

        • Jana

          Big Bad John,
          But he didn’t bankrupt the country, or take over all of the industry in this country or try to make Gov’t. bigger. He let Capitalism work, and it did!

          • BigBadJohn

            he DID triple the national debt. He did sell arms to Iranian terrorists.

          • Jana

            Big Bad
            I also notice that the unemployment rate started to go up under Carter and peaked under Reagan. It took a few years for the economy to come back, but it did come back under Reagans great implementations. Obama has done everything wrong. He has implemented all of these useless bailouts, he has taken control of a lot of our major companies, he has promised to shut down the coal industry, he has promised us that our utilities would go up, our taxes are going to go up, our health care premiums are going to go up and our country is turning fastly to Socialism.
            Of course if you want the Gov’t. controlling your life because you are not able to control yourself then you will be happy. However, if you feel like you can spend your own money better and control your own life better than the Gov’t can and you don’t want to becomne a Government puppet, then you won’t be happy.

          • BigBadJohn

            Jana Yes unemployment started going up while Carter was preident, because he was actually trying to fix the Nixon/Ford runaway inflation.
            But three years into Reagan’s first term it peaked. But conservatives still like to blame Carter. Fine, just be consistent, that means that bad economy now is still Bush’s fault, and will be for another year and a half.

            All of those bailouts started while Bush was still president. The one thing I agreed with the democrats about was that bonus’s for executives of companies that accepted bailout money should be limited, republicans fought that. Although I was against all of those bailouts it looks like they are working, a lot of the banks and GM have paid back those loans.

            No I do not want government control over my life. But that is a trend that was started long ago, not under Obama. Reagan implemented seizure laws which gave law enforcement the right to seize personal property with no proof of wrong doing. Clinton expanded those laws for his police on the streets program. Clinton started a program to wire tap cell phones, Bush expanded that to include all phones. I could go on and on, don’t try to blame the current administration for government controlling your life – it has been going on for a long time.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            BJ,
            I see you don’t remember the wage freezes or price freeze Carter imposed.I DO remember them as I was there. The one thing he didn’t freeze was government spending!!

          • BigBadJohn

            Joe yes I remember wage freeze – Carter inherited 18% inflation which given that a lot of workers get cost of living, would have increased wages at a rate of 20%+ and kept inflation spiraling upward.
            Carter made some tough choices, they were the right choices, but paid the price at the polls.

          • BigBadJohn

            Joe lets put Carters spending in perspective. In 4 years he spent 2.8 Billion. Reagan in eight years spent 1.7 TRILLION, about 700% MORE than Carter.

          • Jana

            Big Bad,
            But Obama ran on a platform of CHANGE & TRANSPARENCY and he has only changed things for the worse, and transpanrency is no where to be found. The change has been Socialism.
            It’s funny how the worst Presidents are your hero’s. Of all the Pres. we have had you choose Carter who was known for not being able to make a decision and Obama the Socialist.

          • BigBadJohn

            Jana, you have to put things in perspective.
            I would rather have a president that is honest and fiscally conservative.

            Carter may not have been a strong president, but he made the tough choices for the runaway inflation that he inherited and was always honest.

            Reagan won because he claimed the biggest threat to America was the national debt. What did he do? TRIPLE that debt he complained about. He “may have” made a deal with Iranian terrorists to sell them arms before he was elected if they would continue holding Americans hostage.

            GH Bush READ MY LIPS…. what did he do – raise taxes. Even though he was out of touch with the average worker, he was probably one of our better presidents.

            Clinton is the only president in thirty years to even make a principal payment on the national debt. But of course we know what his issue with honesty was.

            GW Bush not hard to understand, most dishonest, biggest liar and biggest spending president in history.

            Now we are straddled with Obama, I do not like him, but I also do not believe half of the rhetoric. He inherited a 1.5 trillion deficit, it is going to take a while to turn around – if his new health care does not dissolve that possibility forever. My biggest issue is as you mentioned – the reality does not live up to campaign promises.

          • Jana

            Big Bad,
            I know we will never agree, but I do thank you for acting like a gentleman. Even though we don’t see eye to eye, it was nice being able to have a decent discussion with opposing views. And believe it or not I have learned a few things from you too.

            Thank you.

    • George E

      Liberal,

      If you can admit that the Democrats have, and still are doing anything wrong or bad for this country, then I’ll take what you have to say with some degree of objectivity. Until then, I believe you are just a partisan hack blinded by your hate of Republicans.

      You may note that most folks on this board don’t have any problem criticizing Republicans when they fail to live up to their conservative principles.

      • marvin

        well said George E i am a equal opportunity basher i give the repub hell just as quick as i will a dem, doing or being wrong is not a party thing for one party, now it maybe a liberal thing on not telling the truth we need people to look out for the tax payer not tax users

    • marvin

      AM LIB you are still an idiot you can belive what you want but that still don,t make it true the huffington post or the daily kos would love to have you spue your liberal bias garbage so give us a break an join them , acorn would be a good place for you or la raza

    • Warrior

      AMLIB – Why are there so many government employees represented by Unions?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Warrior,
        That’s because we have an honorary union boss as President!!!!

    • Glenn

      American Liberal,

      When you learn to create a sentence that is structured grammatically and without mispelled words as well as get your facts straight you may then be able to join the ranks of the informed. Do your research first by looking at issues from both perspectives rather than what the media tells you!

      • http://aol Don

        Glen, you misspelled the word misspelled. The word has more than one s.

    • MIKE

      YOU ARE AS DUMB AS YOU SOUND!!???? GET OUT OF THE HOT WATER ON THE STOVE BEFORE YOU DIE, YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND???? WAKE UP!!!!!
      READ THE CONSTITION OF THE UNITED STATES!!!

    • Jeep

      How is that “war on poverty” that you libs tout so much working out for ya? Not so well, huh…Since you are so big on numbers, who received campain contributions at a rate of 4-1 from Wall Street last election? Oops…it was the Dems…Wanna keep playing the blame game?

    • Eve Stephens

      Think again! It was Democrat Clinton who did away with Glass-Steagall and started this whole recession ball rolling. It was a nightmare waiting to happen… Then add the Democratic Fanny and Freddy programs (think Democrat Barney Frank) that played a MAJOR roll in the mess we are currently in. Look it up!

      • marvin

        Eve it went back to jimmie carter the peanut brain for fredd and fann on the giving loans to people that could not pay them back

      • BigBadJohn

        Agree Clinton signing Glass-Seigle into law started the whole mess. But as conservatives like to point out, the president does not write laws, Congress does. It was a republican congress and senate that handed him that law.

        • Jana

          Big Bad,
          But he didn’t have to sign it.

          • Normal Guy

            Jana

            Actually it was Graham that pushed through the bill and it was included in an omnibus spending bill. The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 was the piece that blew all of this a part because it allowed for the type of commodity speculation (gambling) that brought everything crashing down. As Congress and the White House were hurriedly hammering out a $384-billion omnibus spending bill, Gramm slipped in the 262-page measure. Written with the help of financial industry lobbyists and co-sponsored by Senator Richard Lugar (R-Ind), the chairman of the Agriculture Committee, the measure had been considered dead – even by Gramm. Few lawmakers had either the opportunity or inclination to read the version of the bill Gramm inserted. There was a vote and the bill passed right before Christmas.

            From Wiki
            “The “Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000″ (H.R. 5660) was introduced in the House on Dec. 14, 2000 by Rep. Thomas W. Ewing (R-IL) and cosponsored by Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R-VA) Rep. Larry Combest (R-TX) Rep. John J. LaFalce (D-NY) Rep. Jim Leach (R-IA) and never debated in the House.[2]

            The companion bill (S.3283) was introduced in the Senate on Dec. 15th, 2000 (The last day before Christmas holiday) by Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) and cosponsored by Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL) Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX) Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) Sen. Thomas Harkin (D-IA) Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) and never debated in the Senate.

            Given the above-stated chronology, it would appear that the House and Senate versions of the bill were introduced just prior to the Christmas holiday in December of 2000, following George W Bush’s (first) election (in November of 2000), while then-President Clinton was serving out his final days as President. The bill was never debated by the House or Senate. The bill by-passed the substantive policy committees in both the House and the Senate so that there were neither hearings nor opportunities for recorded committee votes. In substance, it appears that the leadership of the Republican-controlled Senate and House incorporated the deregulation of credit default swaps into an omnibus budget bill (without hearings or recorded votes)at a time when the outgoing president was in no position to veto anything.”

    • Warrior

      So now your hero is out there calling on blacks, latino’s and women to come to the aid of the democrats in 2010 just like in 2008. This piece of work is a racist and great divider. You AMLIB certainly belong with his ilk. Enjoy the beat down in Nov.

    • Bass

      A.L. Most of the people unemployed are Dems. doing what they do best
      stand there with their hands out for handouts. You can blame the Dems.
      for that, making them know as the lazyman’s party

    • http://None Ern

      Dear American Liberal – I would suggest that you learn spelling and punctuation – this might give you at least a little bit of credibility. Thanks ever so much!

    • John

      Sadly, American Liberal has bought into the politics of envy.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest greg

      Are you an idiot or just nuts? It is important because one is fixable one probably isn’t. If I may attempt to fix one of the two try this important bit of knowledge. First off at least 3 of the Presidents’ top officials were employed by Sachs, Goldman before being invited to to work for the administration. The President accepted (and without hesitation I would guess)2.4 million in contributions from Goldman Sachs, and other such wallstreet firms also ponied up big $ too. The deregulatory bill that started the delayed meltdown of 2008 was signed into law in the late 1990′s by guess who? Bill Clinton,. Even John McCainsuggested two different times that this banking practice was doomed to failure in 2003 and in 2005. And the policy that all American’s should own a house was also Bill’s idea . Here is a surprise –If you make 30,000 dollars a year you shouldn’t qualify for a 200,000 dollar loan so this was a bad idea, yet the 1990′s bill encouraged this practice.Your remark that Repubicans dont’ care about working peole only, Dems do is almost just to ignorant to address but i’ll try .Republicans actually are working people ,We pay taxes, go to church ,have families and often even belong to those unions you seem to treasure. I even belong to one. But most of us also know there is a limit as to what we can ,should or are willing to give as handouts to those who don’t won’t or didn’t take some care in their own personal well being. I give to medicare ,medicade, soc. security, none of which I benifit from. I also pay state taxes ,federal taxes,county taxes ,sales taxes, excise taxes, property taxes as well as give to at least 6 different charities that help the poor. For you to suggest only your kind are for the people means you need to get your head out of where ever you seem to be keeping it. One more thing. Had Bill Clinton not allowed the inspectors to be kicked out of Iraq in 1993 George “Blamed for Everything” Bush would have had no need to go back into Iraq in 2003 . With I might add the vote of support from Hillary Clinton John Kerry Joe Biden and 64 Democrates from the house. Now I hope you do understand we are all Americans some just need to wake up before it is to late to save this country .I suggest you might be one of those. When the number paying the bills becomes equal to the number creating the bills, and we are almost there ,this country will no longer prosper.

    • marvin

      am liber glad you are in love with the unions great bunch when the tea party was in dirty harry reids home town maybe fifty union members some black some brown and a few stuped whites were standing along sidy the road with reid signs and chicken eggs and the eggs just got broke on the side of the buss,s i am sure by accident one of your union frinds said on tape that he would go to jail if the tea party did not leave and one of the mexican union members said when ask by the cops who was throwing the eggs he said the tea party but on tape a black union member had the eggs in hand well go figure that the tea party were planting eggs on the union just trying to start trouble you know when the unions and the illegals and you of course are standing up for dirty harry hell i don,t see how anyone could think any thing bad of your friends or you

      • Palin12

        I was there marvin in searchlight. Not near the union guys though.

    • Palin12

      Hey moron, what do you mean “republicans give us wars??” Wilson, a democrat, got us into WWI. FDR, a democrat, got us into WWII. Truman, a democrat, got us into Korea. JFK/LBJ, democrats got us into Viet Nam. Now that you got your “amnasty” from president Reagan, you ought to learn a little American history!

      • Palin12

        that’s for Unam Lib.

    • DaveH

      It is telling, Liberal, that you separated “anti-worker” and “anti-union”, as union members would be more properly classified as extortionists. If union members did nothing more than quit their jobs as a group, I would say they are behaving properly. But they go far beyond that with their attempts to coerce their companies and the workers who freely volunteer to take the jobs that they turn up their noses at. That kind of thuggery has no business in a free society.
      And workers have always been free to turn down jobs that they feel are unsafe. Nobody needs the government to make that decision for them. Life is unsafe. None of us gets out of it alive. But while I am here, I would like to make my own decisions about my own life without the force of Liberals trying to make my decisions and take my money.

      Deregulation? What a joke. Government just keeps getting Bigger and Bigger and you talk about “deregulation”? There has been no such thing, just different rules:
      http://reason.org/news/printer/the-myth-of-financial-deregula

      In fact, the whole health care problem would go away if the government would just “deregulate” and butt out.

      And the Republicans have historically favored Free Markets which allow open competition to all, while the Democrats have favored heavy regulation which helps the Large Companies who can afford to hire the cadre of Lawyers and Accountants that are necessary to jump through the Government Hoops. For sure the Republicans have been straying from those ideals for many decades, but the Democrats don’t even make any pretense to have ideals, they just want our money.

      You call the Republicans (who I don’t vote for) the party of tyranny while the Democrats are going to force me to buy a product that I know is a foolish purchase, i.e. Healthcare Insurance?

      You apparently are not very well informed about the bailouts as they were performed by a Congress that was majority Democrat.

      And the party of the Rich? See the link in the following comment.

    • Kgharts

      American Liberal is not ill-informed, he’s just stupid. He should know that everything he is talking about is not a party thing, its a bueacrate thing. That same safety bueacrate was there for 3 presidency’s and is still there after Obama gets run out of town. Both party’s DEM’s and GOP have the same twits in career fields,you idiot, and twits like you, blame everything ever done on the opposing administration. Safety inspectors have rules they don’t follow, just like the ones YOU don’t follow but should. I suppose you will blame the Republicans for that next speeding ticket you get.

      You just can’t fix stupid.

    • http://LIBERTYALERT EDWARD

      When American Liberal talks about the downtrodden middle class, is he referring to retired teachers in California who “survive” on $100,000 dollar annual pensions? California, a state controlled by Democrats, is 20 Billion dollars in debt and in danger of becoming the American version of Greece. Greece is a country where one in every three jobs is doled out by the goverment. People are rioting in the streets because the goverment can’t meet it’s obligations. Folks like American Liberal are convinced that we should follow in the path of Greece and other European countries despite overwhelming evidence that their policies haven’t worked. Standard liberal philosophy is as follows: Never let common sense prevail over ideological beliefs. When all else fails, blame it on Republicans.

    • Darrel

      More liberal lies. Who are the wealthiest people in Congress? Dems. And why is it a crime to make a profit? If you got off your entitlement butt and worked for a living you wouldn’t want to carry 2 non-working undeserving folks. Notice that this is not criticism of folks that legitimately need help – and deserve help – it is about the abusers.

  • American liberal

    You can thank unions for your working wage…and of course Republicans are always Anti union and anti worker…. Republicans will favor management everytime over the worker…any increase in wage or cost of living increase will be opposed by republicans… Any safety regulations will always be opposed by republicans.. They just don’t care…pay attention to the Massey mine investigation…. And you’ll see exactly what republicans and tea baggers think of the American worker…

    • Tone88

      American Liberal – you are a total idiot. All Hyperbole and no facts – just hot, socialist air.

      • Jana

        I think American Liberal is a plant.
        This was in another blog and I am copying it to this one as it sure fits Am. Lib.

        The following note, allegedly from an Obama campaign worker, appeared at HillBuz.
        Posted by Kevin
        Published: October 30, 2008 – 4:44 PM
        http://wizbangblog.com/content…..erders.php

        I work for a campaign and can’t wait for this week to be over.

        I was doing it for a job. I was not a fan of any candidate but over time grew to love HRC.

        The internal campaign idea is to twist, distort, humiliate and finally dispirit you.

        We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and “play the part of a clinton or mccain supporter who just switched our support for obama”

        We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence.

        We did this the whole primary and it worked.

        Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out tv, news, websites, etc.

        This surprisingly has had a huge suppressing movement and vote turnout issues.

        Next, we infiltrate all the blogs and all the youtube videos and overwhelm the voting, the comments, etc. All to continue this appearance of overwhelming world support.

        People makes posts to the effect that the world has “gone mad”

        Thats the intention. To make you feel stressed and crazy and feel like the world is ending

        • kate8

          Jana, thank you for that post. Very informative.

        • kate8

          Do you think it would be too dull if we just skipped over the lib posts and ignored them altogether? Seems like they just say the most outrageous things just to agitate. If we could just refrain from biting, maybe they’d get tired.

          Of course if they are getting paid, what do they care. What a disgusting way to make a living. It certainly shows how low the democrats will go, and how people will do anything for money.

          • Jana

            kate8,
            In one way yes, we should skip over them, but on the other hand we can give answers so that other conservatives or people that are trying to learn the truth can hear (read) the truth and the facts. These liberals are just trying to cause trouble, but we don’t have to stoop to their low level. We can have fun with them and beat them at their own wicked game by facts. Knowledge is a powerful thing and knowing our enemy puts us way ahead.

        • DaveH

          Jana,
          Good. Let them plant Ignorant Liberals. Then everybody can see that their arguments fall flat on their face.
          I can’t think of any better way to expose their bankrupt ideas than to have them posting their nonsense where knowledgeable people can dissect and disprove their BS.

          • Jana

            DaveH,
            I agree. It lets us know how our enemy thinks.

    • Barb

      Amlib, as usual your posts are just as idiotic as usual. Unions are out for themselves only. They are backed by Organized Crime bosses or run by them and what good is having a good wage if you have to give up half of it to pay union dues that go straight to the back pockets of the Union Bosses MORON! Then when you have a grievance, oh guess what, they aren’t there for you, what a surprise! Let’s see what the union does for the miners In the Massey Mines, yes they were involved, they forced their way in and are probably the reason for the explosion! We’ll just see what the results of the investigation shows. If unions are into safety so much why weren’t they protecting those miners?????? AND as usual you have it backwards it’s the conservatives not the Liberals who protect the workers and look out for the working class. The Libs just look out for the non workers to keep them under their thumbs and beholding to them, and to keep them subservient. So you are either one of the servents or one of the lib masters, I would say the former. I really feel sorry for you, you seem to have no idea and by the way, stop calling us what your favorite past time seems to be, we are NOT tea baggers which is something you must enjoy, we are the TEA PARTY!

    • JeffH

      Always enjoy haveing the SEIU join in these discussions. The best part is that you’ll always get a fair and concise idea of where they’re coming from. Are they for the “little guy” or are hey just patronizing the little guy? I believe it to be the latter.

    • JLC

      American Liberal (that’s an oxymoron, but we can overlook it for now) you are obviously not dry behind the ears yet. More than 50 years ago, as a member of the United Steelworkers Union, I warned our union members that they were in the process of pricing themselves out of the world market. At that time, I was earning $2.83 per hour and living well. Today, my son earns nearly 10 times that, is struggling to make ends meet, and the jobs are overseas. Tell me why !

    • coal miner

      American Liberal,

      You said a mouth full.The right wing has always been cold and indifferent to the working class.These right wing women on this blog don’t know it,they owed their votes of thanks to moderates and liberals for their rights to vote and own property.We need unions now,especially in the coal mines and oil drilling.You are right these tragedies could had been prevented.I don’t agree with one blogger,she said she didn’t trust the democrats,well I don’t trust the republicans.They are anti-people and anti worker,pro rich.Ron Reagan proved that point,he sold out to China and Japan.
      We are paying for that little piece of stupidity.Look at the job lost,both union and scab factories went ovr seas and relocated to other countries.Unions are not the cause of it,good old fashioned corporate greed is.

      • Hugh Jordin

        Well said!

        Unions have saved the American worker from the equivalent of indentured servitude. The benefits of fair wage for work done spilled over into non union jobs and was an important factor in the creation of the middle class. It is true that some unions have over stepped their bounds and have corruption in leadership, as does every institution in the US (with the possible exception of the doubtlessly pure echelons of the GOP), but in general unions have done more good for all American workers than harm.

        When I hear unions blamed for the demise of the American auto industry i am saddened. It is irrefutably true that pensions and other benefits have hurt the industry, but the real fault lies with management who were incapable if understanding foreign competition, took their buyers for granted, approved atrocious designs and let quality diminish.

        • Jana

          Hugh J,
          Unions create I can do only one job people. They refuse to cross over and do someone elses job. I have been around some Union people. My uncle was a died in the wool Union man. He bragged and talked way too much in the family for me not to have gotten a good Union education. He lived and breathed Union. He was in some official capacity in his Union.
          I wouldn’t give a plugged nickel for a Union worker.
          At one time the Unions were needed and did a great service. Then they became just like the Gov.t has become, dictators, run by Mafia like mentalities. This is also what Obama has come out of the Chicago Mafia.
          Sorry, you may have had a good experience with Unions I have not. I do blame the Unions for the demise of the auto industry.

          • DaveH

            Jana,
            I think that the concept that Unions were ever needed is just propaganda. When the so-called “sweat jobs” existed, they were fewer impediments for people to start their own businesses than there are now. If indeed conditions then were so horrible, then what kept them from finding other jobs or starting their own businesses?
            Unions have rewarded the slackers, kept the excellent workers from being properly rewarded, and removed choices from the workers and the companies. For instance, when I was young, working at a cement plant, I wanted to work 10 hours a day for 4 days of the week, but I couldn’t because the unions forced the companies to pay time and a half for those extra two hours each day. I would have much rather had the extra day off.

          • Hugh Jordin

            I don’t know what industry your uncle worked in but where I work most people can and do several jobs and help each other no matter what their craft specialty is. We have daunting schedules and everybody chips in as needed. Our industry may be unique, but as most of us work project to project the union gives some continuity to our lives, and is our sole source of health insurance.

            Having worked on and seeing how non-union productions go I thank God for our union. Non union productions are characterized by 16 hour days, no benefits, empty promises like: “i’ll make it up to you on the next one…”, etc.

      • Al Sieber

        How can you you blame the mining co. when you the miner are responsible for mine safety? every time you go in the mine you do a safety check. you the miner are responsible for you and other personnel. you and you only are responsible for your actions not the govt., not repub. not dem. not unions. those people that lost their lives are my brothers, I feel really bad about this. so COAL MINER I would never work under ground with you, you sound irresponsible, nor would anybody in their right mind.

    • marvin

      am lib less say you own a company[fat chance]i guess it would be ok for your employ,s [union]to tell you how you are going to run it i have been a union member and saw how [the union]put business out of business with their demands you need to look and see and read [if you can]not be blind deaf and illiterate must be sad to have nothing better to do then be a obama pelosie reid rangel shumer boxer la raza fun loving liberal ,american hater blame it on the other guy and no matter how big the lie keep telling it ,you sir are a great american with more like you may as OBAMA said GOD AND GUNS HELP US

    • Jeep

      Let’s see…a “working wage”. Exactly what is that? Ever try to raise a family on a “working wage”? How about this…if I force McD’s to pay a minimum wage, do you thing McD’s sucks up the profit loss, or does your burger cost more? Or, (ugh!) maybe they just fire someone. You thugs have no idea how a free market economy works, and always have the wrong solution that exacerbates the situation.

    • Bass

      A.L. I use to be a union member L.U.709 Ironworker I droped my book in the mid 80′s because i needed better work ethics than unions offer,
      they reach deep into their customers’ pockets and do little as possible basicly robbing them blind. the unions are why the cost of almost everything are as high as it is. i have a job now that pays alot more than the union my quality and dedication to my work far excedes what a union member is willing to put out.

    • John

      American Liberal, you misguided soul, if you only knew the truth. An honest history lesson would do you some good. And really, I doubt you’ve done anything at all to defend your right to shoot your mouth off.That’s what you have the others for, isn’t that right?

    • Al Sieber

      Amer. Lib., what in the hell do the republicans have to do with mine inspections? the mine inspections fall under the federal mine inspector, the state mine inspector and MSHA (mine safety and health administration where in the hell do you get your information? out of a box of cereal? nobody can be that stupid. you must be a c.i.a. op. or grew up in a vacuum.

    • marvin

      am liberal you ever watch the the tv add for goverment motors were the head of gm [obamas man] is saying we have paid all the tarp money plus int back let me see they got around 60 billion have paid back about 5 billion from some more tarp money that they borrowed i know i an,t as smart as you but even it you pea brain something don,t add up hell i know bush done it that got to be why the money don,t add up i know why don,t you go to arizona and help the illegal deface the state office buildings with refried beans hell all an illegal wants is a job some drugs and a woman to keep knocked up so the american tax payer can foot the bill for hospital bills and school an,t nothing wrong with that to a liberal, the more on the welfare roll = bigger goverment 53% of immigrant households with kids are on welfare both legal and illegal now who in there right mind would not like that if you are liberal dem just look at the votes say in ten years at the rate the mexican are breeding more the whites and blacks and there just like american liberal all uneducated liberal voters

    • DaveH

      We can thank the Unions for preventing people from getting the wages they deserve. We can thank Unions for taking away the choices of the workers. We can thank Unions for extorting our companies and causing the loss of manufacturing jobs to foreign countries. We can thank Unions for bankrupting GM and subsequently enlisting the Democrats to screw the Bondholders and reward the Union members who got GM to where it was.

    • coal miner

      american liberal,

      It was 550 violations and counting.Al Sieber is a moron.If these right wing nuts believe that,they believe the moon is made of green cheese.When he said a pocket of methane,I knew he is out for lunch.

      http://www.wvculture.org/HISTORY/notewv/coalminedisasters.html

    • coal miner

      liberal,

      Here are the 548 violations that led to the mining disaster.

      Habcnews.go.com/Blotter/west-virginia-mine-disaster-repeated-safety-violations-red/

    • Kgharts

      TO: American liberal

      SORRY AGAIN,BONEHEAD. I AM AN INDEPENDENT, BUT REGULARLY VOTE REPUBLICAN BECAUSE ITS NOT THE BEST CHOICE, OFTEN, ITS THE ONLY SANE CHOICE. OCCASIONALLY I VOTE DEM, BUT NOT OFTEN.
      SO AS A PSEUDO-REPUBLICAN, I CAN SAY I AM NOT ALWAYS AGAINST UNIONS. THEY HAVE THEIR PLACE BECAUSE OF BAD MANAGEMENT.

      BUT UNIONS ALSO GO OVERBOARD, LIKE THE CARD CHECK IN THE NEWS RECENTLY, OR THE BEATINGS AND KILLINGS IN THE EARLY DAYS. JUST RECENTLY WITH THE ATTEMPTED INTIMIDATION AT THE VOTING LOCATIONS AND INSTITUTIONS, HOMES. HOW INSANE IS THAT IN A DEMOCRACY. I WAS ONCE TOLD I COULD NOT CHANGE A LIGHT BULB AFTER WAITING A WEEK FOR A UNION BULB CHANGER. ITS STUPID.

      I AM ALL FOR MINE SAFETY. NO ONE SHOULD WORK IN UNSAFE CONDITIONS. BUT IT’S NOT SLAVE LABOR EITHER.
      EVEN GOOD LIBERALS, IF THERE IS ONE, DIE IN MINE ACCIDENTS. DON’T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. AND JUST LIKE I HAVE TO BE DILEGENT ABOUT STUPID LIBERALS RUNNING MY LIFE, A MINE WORKER HAS TO STRIKE FOR SAFETY, OR KEEP QUIET.

      BUT, MY GOD MAN, GET A BACK BONE AND RUN YOUR OWN LIFE LIKE AN INDEPENDENT CONSERVATIVE. NOT LIKE A CLONE DRONE UNION-HEAD WHOSE TOLD WHAT TO THINK AND SAY. EVER READ YOUR UNION RAGS? MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT SOME DAYS. I GET EMBARASSED FOR EACH OF YOU, BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF YOU HAVE BOUGHT INTO THE BS IN IT, AND DON’T REALIZE THE HYPE, OR YOU ARE JUST STUPID. I GET THE SAME FEELING READING THE COMMUNIST RAGS. ITS ALL PROPAGANDA. SLANTED TRUTHS OR JUST LIES.

      YOU BEING UNION PUT A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT OF WORK AS WELL. HOW ABOUT THE SHOVEL READY JOBS FOR UNION ONLY. THATS A NICE PAY BACK ON MY MONEY. IT WORKS BOTH WAYS.

      SEEMS BOTH PARTYS’ HAVE HAD THEIR CHANCE AND FAILED ON THAT AT SOME POINT IF MY MEMORY SERVES, AND I AM OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THE ’50′S, SO SHUSH WITH THE PARTISAN CRAP.

      ITS CALLED POOR GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT FOR YOUR TAX DOLLAR AND BOTH SIDES DO IT. RIGHT NOW, ITS OBAMA’S TURN TO ENJOY THAT FAILURE. HE’S SO FAR BEEN UP TO THE TASK. ALONG WITH REID AND PELOSI. THERE IS NO REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE, AND NO FAIR PROCEDURE IN CONGRESS. ITS TYRANICAL. I WOULD BE JUST AS UPSET AT THAT IF IT WERE REPUBLICANS OR THE GREENS.

      YOUR KIND ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IN CONGRESS TODAY. GO ON THE MERITS, NOT ON THE PARTY LINE.

      I AM AFRAID AMERICAN LIBERAL, UNIONS AND DEMOCRATES HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS AND SINS AS EVERYONE ELSE DOES.

      YES, LIBERALS/DEMOCRATES HAVE THIER TWITS TOO, AND YOU MAKE A STRONG CASE FOR YOUR SIDE.

      ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR DAY, BONEHEAD.

    • Darrel

      More liberal lies. Democrats/liberals want illegals to take the jobs of American workers. They’ll attempt to make them citizens just to get votes to stay in their crooked office. Conservatives support the private sector generation of jobs – not government handouts from money (taxes) stolen from people that earn a living.

  • trut

    Republicans drove the nation straight into the ditch with their insane trade policies with nations such as China. Republicans would still own slaves if they could, white ones.

    • Dave

      Trut learn some not too ancient history will you?
      In the year 1997 AD then President of the United States wrote and got passed a bill called the CHINA TRADE AGREEMENT! This wizards name was none other than BILL CLINTON! In 2008 we learned that the dems had been puching unsecured or weak unsecured houseing loans since Jimmy Carter with Obama, Schumer, Dodd, and Franks the top four donation garners from fanny May and Freddie Mac. Obama got more from Citi Bank that anyone else. The housing lending schemes so seriously weakened the lending capability of the banks that it caused a crisis. Since 2001 Bush repeatedly called for an end to the practice by tightening regulation. In 2005 Greenspan warned of the problem, Republicans entered legislation and it was blocked by democrat fifibuster. In fact in one case the now head of the senate harry reid read from a book he had written just to fill the time and block a vote.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest greg

        Nice job Dave. The libs I know when hit with facts will resort to shouting you down ,name calling and smearing . You hit American Lib with a right and a left. He probably read it and started shouting at the family dog. keep it up

    • marvin

      TRUT IS OWENING A WHITE SLAVE BY THE REPUICANS ANY BETTER THEN THE DEMICRATS OWENING BLACK AND BROWN SLAVES that vote blindly for there master to keep the handouts coming you are ether a idiot or JUST can not read and see where liberals want to take us

    • MikeC

      trut, learn some history, lest you sound ignorant! The Repulbican party was the party that emancipated the slaves.

      The Republican Party was formed in 1854 by a coalition of members of other parties, Whigs, Northern Democrats, Free Soil, and Know Nothings, who came together to challenge the Democratic Party because they were unhappy about the extension of slavery into the western territories of the United States and with the large numbers of European immigrants that were coming into the country.

    • John

      Actually trut, if you read your history books, it was the Democrats who were AGAINST Lincoln’s Emancipation of the slaves. You can look that one up as fact.

    • Darrel

      Whoa – it was the Democrats that opposed doing away with slavery. It was the Democrats that opposed doing away with segregation. Read your history. Do it soon as the liberal school boards are rewriting history. We need to be more involved with our schools.

  • Chaos factor

    It goes back to fear again… The rightwing is in it’s death throes .. They fear becoming a minority , they fear having a powerful black man as president .. The rights whole life is based on fear and smothered by ignorance…the right is so afraid that they actually want to turn the clock back to the 1700′s… They keep trying to pretend the country looks like Aunt Bea.., Opie and Goober… Those days are gone.. Never coming back no matter how hard you try… Your day is over..and you’re having a difficult time dealing with it… You better wake up…stop playing American revolution , take your powder wig off and get in the real world … You can’t win..

    • Iconoclast

      I guess it helps to have lived through all the administrations since FDR, but I have observed that the selling out of the USA is NOT the exclusive bailiwick of Republicans.

      • Jana

        Chaos,
        Fear of becoming a minority, ha conservatives are a minority in Congress, where have you been? Oh that’s right GLOATING. Enjoy yourself while you can.

        You said we had better wake up, well we have.

        You Socialists want us to sit back down like we have for so long and give you free reign to do whatever you want. I have news for you. We aren’t taking it any more. We will no longer be silent. We are no longer going to take your Socialists ways and let them ruin our great country. We are standing up for our rights and our country. We are becoming a great voting force to be reckoned with, and bringing this country back to what our Founding Fathers always intended it to be. You all have greatly misjudged us. No longer will we allow ourselves to be bullied into submission.

        As one great man said recently, We are not Racist, we are not violent,but we are no longer silent.

    • Dave

      Your kidding right? What is the black man going to do when he is the majority or has worked out a coalition with other so called minorites and then finds out to make things work he will have to and work hard like white folks and do the work right? Because hispanics, Asians, Jewish people, and others will not carry one lazy race like has been the situation for ob=ver 100 years now.

    • JeffH

      Why the Democrats will lose the House in 2010
      1. Virginia and New Jersey.
      2. History.
      3. Mean Reversion
      4. Obama-Reid-Pelosi Agenda.
      5. Rep. Parker Griffith.
      6. Unemployment.
      7. Discontent with Democrats
      8. Economic Damage.

      • George E

        And, the American public is finally (and really) concerned about the level of government spending. The Democrats have ignored this and have doubled down on wasteful spending. I don’t think this can be “swept under the rug.”

      • Warrior

        This is symbolic of the problems our leaders create.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzO_D8TjvKw

      • Palin12

        I am hoping the demoncrats lose the Senate in 2010 also. Just 10 seats will do it, starting with Reid.

    • marvin

      am [oxymoron]lib you just keep thinking that but their are still more of us stuped goober,s that love god and this country then their are of you and your american hater,s the old flint lock has been replaced just remimber he who forget the mistakes of the past is destin to relive them as for the arizona law being unconstitutional next time the state or county or city pull me over or puts up a traffic stop just to check to see if i have a drivers lic and auto ins i will tell them american [lawyer]liberal said you can not do this it is unconstitutnal, i can do what i please the hell with the law and you may be a lawyer but you are still an unamerican liberal

    • marvin

      Chaos factor i could say some vary unkind words but anyone that has bad words about a powerful BLACKMANNNNNN SO i an,t going to say anything bad about c rangel who was over the house ways and means [over the I R S ] WHO FALLED TO REPORT MILLIONS IN TAXES or obama going around the world tell them we are sorry or wasand is a lackey for acorn and the unions or set in same pue for 20 years in same church and never heard rev wright say any bad thing about this country or call the cops racist for arresting his friend but i don,t have to say it

    • DaveH

      Good Grief, Chaos, quit being so stingy and pass that good stuff around.
      The left has gotten into office purely because they appeal to those who want to live on OPM, and because they callously misrepresent themselves to the voters.
      Obama has done this country a great service. He has wakened the non-political out of their deep slumber. The Democrats who have allowed their party to be taken over by the Socialists are going to have a rude awakening come next November.

    • coal miner

      Chaos factor,

      There were more than 500 to 550 violations.This Al sieber doesn’t know what he is talking about

      http://www.wvculture.org/HISTORY/notewv/coalminedisasters.html

      • JeffH

        Oh c’mon coal scabber. Is it 500 or 550? Make up your mind scabber!

    • http://none vince

      I agree with you. The days of the work ethic are gone.
      There are no manners, honor, dignity, self-worth, responsible life style, ambition, contribution to society. All that is left is the lazy, ignorant, take care of me from cradle to grave on someone else’s money mentality. Indeed, it is the end.

    • Daniel Hollywood

      In reply to Chaos factor:

      It usually makes no sense talking to a moron, but I’ll try. You have a left wing administration in place attempting to take over every aspect of American life. From Banking, Wall Street, Health coverage. The list goes on and on. Most people with a shred of common sense knew what Barrok Obama was when he entered the Senate.

      His intelligence has been grossly blown out of proportion and without a Teleprompter he stumbles in his speech, he was a Puppet molded together by the leftists in this Country to be their Figurehead and he has woken up the American voting block to stop any further destruction of the Country. In November we will sweep the Congress and Senate of most of his support and for the last two years of his only term as President he will be a lame duck and go down in History as the Worst President the Country has ever had.

      • Charles

        I agree totaly – the healthcare takeover was one of the worse things that could have ever happened in the USA – at least in the old days they could and would NOT release info now these thugs got ammo and dirt that they can smear anyone they want with …. all your health – financial and other records are now in government hands – and guess who got the contract to put all this on nation wide computers …. why GE … go figure! the parent company of MSNBC and NBC news … and you wondered why they would not say any thing bad against the prez?
        It would cost them MONEY – that right you progressives got sold up the river for big business! ROFLMAO

    • urbandipasquale

      an unmitigated a–

    • James

      You may be rught about the Opie Taylor days never coming back, but you are the one who needs to wake up. You’re constitionally guaranteed rights are in much more danger of being abused or taken away from this administration than they ever were under the Bush dogs. Socialism is inherently evil, especially when it gets out of control. The reason most of Europe (just look at England, Greece, France, and Spain)for examples, is that these countries became TOO socialistic-why should anyone want to work, when the “state” will take care of you? England’s unemployment rate is much higher than ours, and the country is in a huge financial mess. Socialism, if not kept in check, encourages sloth, plain and simple,and , as always, the rest of the poor working class ends up having to pay for it. Obama, is so far to the left (as is Pelosi and Reid, etc.), that they are actually extremely dangerous for this nation. Wake up and stand up for the working class, and fight for your rights, while you still have them.

    • Charles

      Your day will never be …. you progressives think you can come in and take over and you are wrong!
      there is still a very strong conservative base and it shows every where …. from the support of AZ law (70% of voters) approve ….
      You think you can come in and dispose of the constitution and do what you want … there is way more that willing to put there life on the line to protect the constitution – are you willing to put your life on the line to break it?
      After all – all miltary LEO and others (cia) also take that oath to protect that document.
      You managed to get a prez elected that cant find his ass with both hands and cant even read what the constitution says …. and he was elected with vote fraud and he is a total fraud himself … cant wait till all that comes out – and all this COMMIE shit is overturned!

    • Libertarian

      You had better hope the conservatives turn things around or watch the American Empire collapse. Clinton launched the war on the middle class forcing through NAFTA. Liberal spending programs are not sustainable. Mining, manufacturing, construction and agriculture create wealth which builds a country. Banks swapping money and service jobs don’t. Government actually destroys wealth when it grows and fails at everything it does, no matter how good the intentions.

    • http://yahoo Tim Griggs

      Democrats or Republican don’t matter power is in #’s last time I checked 80% of Americans are constitutionalists that are waiting to vote to take our country back, if u like socialism move your ass to Europe!!

    • Michael W. Morgan

      Probablly true to a great extent. But as you revel in this complacency, and rejoice, keep in mind that when the “White Guys” you hate so much run out of the resources to support you and your drug addled buddies, dem Obammaites il put cha bak on da plantation.

      Remember, “The government that is powerful enough to give you everything is powwerful enough to take everything away.”

      The problem with Socialism is that, eventually, you run out of everyone elses money.

      The stupidity of majority of the non-white majority is that they think the money comes from the government. It doesn’t it comes from the taxes of the hard working American People, Black, White, Brown, Yellow & and mixed. We do the work, you, my friend, will ultimately suffer the same way the Greeks, Spannish and other Socialists suffer.

    • Freedom Fighter

      Your so-called points are absolutely ridiculous.

    • http://Yahoo Donald

      My, my, What pea picking planet are you from?

    • Ernest T.

      GET THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT OUT OF OUR LIVES AND POCKETS!! The states only gave the federal government very limited powers and responsibilities in the Constitution. The Federal Government has been over stepping it’s state given mandates to the point it now is mandating to the states. POWER TO THE PEOPLE AND THE STATES!!

    • Victoria Coots

      Arizona created a law that merely mirrors the Federal Law, that the Obama administration, along with the previous two presidential administrations failed to enforce. There is no profiling going on, just a state exercising its Tenth Amendment rights and protecting it citizens. Obama is the one who is misguided and irresponsible on so many levels. Obama has defied our Constitution by forcing health care through, increasing the debt and deficit times ten by doing exactly what he vilified Bush for (TARP), with his stimulus, etc…
      Race baiting is the left’s only meritless response to everything the citizens of this country do in standing with our Constitution as the Founders intended it.

    • David

      Don’t be so sure…………..never say never!

    • T. Paine

      Does anyone really think that the Federal Government will be any more efficient at handling “Health Care” as they have the Postal Service (bankrupt, bloated), Veteran’s Affairs (bankrupt, shameful), AMTRAK (bankrupt, inefficient), Medicare (severely bankrupt, fraud, corruption), Social Security (severely bankrupt, basically a unsustainable Ponzi scheme), or Medicare Drug Program (underfunded, broke). On top of this, our nation faces bankruptcy and collapse of the dollar and our economy…………and yet 47% of Americans pay NO income tax, but still get a tax refund! You don’t have to be a brain surgeon to see where this will lead and it’s not good.

      Our economy depends on JOBS, job creation depends on business (see Private Sector) not the government (government does not create anything, it just consumes resources creayed by the private sector)…..yet the current administration sees fit to demonize the very entity that is the engine of prosperity……….business is not the enemy, quite the contrary….it is our salvation. When business and private entrepreneurial enterprise is overregulated, overburdened with taxes (see redistribution of wealth) we kill the goose that lays the golden egg. The poor don’t pay taxes, the rich don’t pay taxes (see tax loopholes, off-shore accounts, dual citizenships, corporate headquarters outside the US, and US companies relocating outside the US)…..so the bulk of the tax-burden falls on the middle class. So far the policies of the administration has centered on small and mid-sized businesses (see middle class….you know, the ones that provide jobs which in turn provides tax revenue, which provides funds for the Government to operate). Perhaps you have heard about the war on the middle class? If we allow the government to destroy the middle class where will the money come from? Who will pay for entitlements? The RICH? Hah! Do you think that they will just stand by and let that happen? They’re wealthy…they can move that money anywhere……places the government can’t touch. Already 28% of California’s millionaires have left the state, the same thing is happening in New York, Illinois, Michigan and a couple of other States.

      The number of Americans who have voluntarily given up their citizenship to relocate to other nations is at a record high. Why? The US is one of the least friendly nations to do business due to taxes and restrictive regulations, so many relocate where they have a business friendly environment, lower cost of living and no organized unions. As a result, revenues to those nations coffers increase as do wages and living standards of the citizens who live there. Where are they going? They are going to nations whose tax laws welcome growth, industry and business…..Chile, Ecuador, Panama, Costa Rica, Belize, Nicaragua, Argentina and the Czech Republic to name a few…………and their economies are booming. Construction is at an all time high in these nations, as is job creation. Things aren’t as rosy in the US and most of Europe……..Why?……..because we are doing the exact opposite of what we should be doing. This isn’t something new, both Presidents Kennedy and Reagan relaxed business regulations and lowered both business and personal taxes to create an economic boom….as a result federal revenue doubled. Former Prime Minister Thatcher said it best, “The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money!”

      No good will come from our little experiment with “Socialism” (see World History). There has not been one nation who has ever prospered under Socialism or its cousin Communism…..none. As a matter of fact, they have been failures………the Soviet Union, North Korea, Cuba, the former regimes in Nicaragua, Chile (they learned their lesson….evidently Venezuela hasn’t….yet). What about China…..and Vietnam?……they are doing pretty good aren’t they? Sure they are Communist (sort of) and were failing until they adopted the tenets of capitalism and free enterprise…….they have become successful by adopting the very principles that Socialism and Communism are against…….American ideals (perhaps former ideals). Even they realize that Socialism and Communism doesn’t have a viable economic component so they used what has proven to work, American principles…..the very ones we are now abandoning!

      The more power the Federal Government has the less power the States have, the less power the States have , the less power we the people have……………we will lose our rights. We are on this high speed train ride towards collapse………..Caution Bridge Out Ahead! If the engineer can’t stop the train, the passengers will have to do it.

    • William Nealey

      c.f. you are so STUPID. why dont you move to russia china or north korea? hell move to iran they’d love you there,

    • bteach

      When will blacks stop using rae as an excuse for everything?

    • mark roberts

      Why is it that when we provide supporting facts to back up our beliefs, you liberals respond by calling us racist, nazis, bed wetters, astroturf, gun toting skin heads???? Medicare, Medicade, Social Security, welfare are all socialist programs designed to keep poor people dependant on the government for a “free” handout. these handouts do not increase the numbers of people who actually want to work and make good on their own! I look for a HUGE SWEEP HERE in my home state with the Democrats LOSING EVERY SEAT!

    • L.A.

      It’s Not that We fear having a BLACK President, We just realize that Americans who in their fervor to elect ANY Black Man, Voted The WRONG BLACK MAN INTO OFFICE. There were dozens of qualified Blacks who would have made a great President, Yet an individual with very little actual experience succeeded in hiding a questionable past long enough to pull off a victory…… For every adamant Obama supporter there is another Black Obama voter who realizes that a mistake has been made, But Cannot speak out for fear of reprisal By Those who are blinded By the race card

    • http://yahoo Bruce

      I don’t like anything Obummer does. It’s not that he is black. It is that his policies are socialistic. This man is killing the nation and ignoring the Constitution of the United States.

    • RickS

      I suppose Chaos would rather regress to the days of the Russian Revolution and Karl Marx, who Barak Obama admires so much. It is amazing to me how much these Marxists want their subservient underlings to live in poverty and despair, while they live in luxury and fly around the world on private jets expounding their greatnesss.

    • Just Jake

      You are absolutely correct….the “right” fears the uneducated and indoctrinated “left”. If you think Obama being Black is the problem, then you yourself are the “racist” who thinks over 250 years of American independence should be thrown in the trash to allow for a proven failed system of Socialism or Marxism. You might not understand these concepts, but it’s not my job to educate you, or to financially support you.

    • ratuig dog

      The liar in the white house is turning our country from the land of opportunity into the land of the government handout! All he’s doing is making it so that more immigrants whith an opportunistic mentality come to this country to get something for nothing!!! You already have minorities who are born in this country who believe they are owed something and have the entitlement mentality where they believe that it’s the governments job to take care of them!!! They don’t care about freedom as long as they get what they feel they deserve and as long as they believe it’s “free”!!! And besides the liars,socialists,leftist(lsl’s) need people like this so they can stay in power because these are the type of people who will vote for them!!! These aren’t the type of people who believe in making a living they feel they should steal through the government from the people who work hard for a living so that they can be taken care of!!! There are already certain minorties who’s kids and as they put it “babies mamas” are already being taken care of by the hard working tax payers of this country through many social programs while they go out and bring in more elligitimate children into the world and don’t bother to support them, so just imagine more people from other countries with this mentality coming here!!! There is only so much the hard working people of this country can take and it’s getting to a breaking point!!! That is why I’m GLAD that the legistative body of Arizona passed these imigration laws!!! We need this now before it’s too late!!! And before you idots on the left decide to call me a racist which is all you will try to call me thinking that by callin me this you have won the argument without any logical explanation or reasoning!! I want you to know that I was born in Mexico to a white American father and a latin Mexican mother!!! My father brought us here for a better life and for more opportunity than he saw was available in Mexico!! And I don’t consider myself a Mexican-American but an American!!!! And I’m proud of it!!!!!

    • Elaine

      Dear Chaos factor:

      Race has nothing to do with this!! At least as far as I am concerned. It seems to me that your side of the argument is the side that ALWAYS comes up with the race factor as it is. I strongly suggest you open up a history book and READ IT!!!!! You will learn A LOT!!!!! If you do not know history you are doomed to repeat it. Must we make the same mistakes that European Socialist countries have made (and many are now regretting) our can we learn from OBSERVATION and KNOWLEDGE!!! Many great Americans have served and DIED for our country to preserve our values of LIBERTY, LIMITED GOVERNMENT and PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!! Those values DO NOT CHANGE!!

      Have a good day!!

    • C J Madden

      FYI, Chaos, the ONLY reason you are able to make your comments is because other people have laid down their lives in order to protect your freedoms. Are you man/woman enough to do the same–I don’t think so. Mocking the country in which you reside, whether or not a citizen, is not only rude but indicates you have no respect for yourself or others. We will gladly protect our “powdered wigs” and the historical American Revolution–we are a PROUD REPUBLIC and not some groveling country that bows to its “leaders”. If our life style offends you so much, then please exile yourself to a nation that shares your unpatriotic views.

    • WJS

      The person who wrote the reply starting with “It goes back to fear again… “probably has his or hers credit cards maxed out, has done very little in their life and believe everyone should have a free lunch or be given everything they want without doing anything for it. I am an independent and side with the tea party group on stopping deficit spending. Most conservatives and independents do not have a problem with social reform as long at it is the pay as you go type reform. At the end of this year our debt to GDP ratio will be 0.9 and our debt will be over 14 trillion dollars. The current party in control has averaged greater than a 1.5 trillion dollars deficit/year since Obama took office. This is two to three times the deficit/year Bush had on any of his years in office which was also not good for this country. If you have any intelligence at all these numbers should tell you we are on the verge of financial disaster in this country.

      Too get a preview of where we are going look at Greece, Spain, and Portugal all of with have debt to GDP ratios greater than 1.1 and their deficit spending is at around 10% of their budgets. Our deficit spending for this year is greater than 10% of budget.

      Demarcate or Republicans that ignore this problem for political gain is not doing this country any favors and bringing this county to disaster. Our children and grandchildren are going to pay a heavy price for having politicians on both sides that seem to like living on credit for political gain. It is really time to stop this, if we are going to maintain or improve our standard of living in the generations to come.

    • George

      Some of these comments are so outrageously inflamatory and comming from the party of Tolerance! That just makes me wonder about the whole tolerance thing being a smoke screen for left radicals calling the right radicals radical.

      It is unimaginable to see so many people divided as if they were from another world. I lean right but I will not say my left leaning fellow American is a blank blank. I will be civil and explain a point of view as if God himself was watching me say my words to this person. Everyone has something to offer. I am Greek and in history there was a time when the city states had similar differences and then came in a common foe to unite them all but not before near annihilation. Its poetic justice that the very same common foe might be emerging again. The Athenian leftists and Spartan right need to become one people. America cannot survive this divided. Each must allow the other to participate without oppression by word or deed. That takes self control and dicipline!

    • american

      WE have a president in office not a powerfull black man…. read your founding douc end this black white game it hurts our whole nation

    • Self Reliant

      Dear Chaos factor, if you are not right what are you? I am a very conservative person by nature, I’m in no hurry to change everything all at once. It will only cause confusion and “chaos”. In my life experience I have learned to be patient in making decisions. The decisions made hastily have a much higher chance of being incorrect. You need to settle down, be patient and allow the facts and figures tell the story not your emotional attachment to a subject. It’s obvious the opposite of the right needs quick decisions before all the facts and figures can be found to be true or not.

    • he-saw/save

      Blame it on the post-civil war great compromise following the death of Republican progressiveness, the ousting of the Roosevelts from the GOP by the party-transforming “Stand-Pat Republicans” of Ohio, and the emergence of FDR’s works-progress administration to represent the epitome of Democratic party policy which couldn’t be further from the truth; current conservatism in the Republican party serves the
      old-timey Democratic interests and issues (the true Democratic party policies) such as the post-civil war Alabama Bourbon Democrats’ Jim Crowism and prison slavery to build Kentucky’s railroad link to the Gulf of Mexico. The true republican principles would be to efficiently allow government-managed health care instead of enriching robber baron CEOs of insurance companies.

    • kotoc

      Democrat ignorance is proved here. Get a clue, Chaos… YOU are a part of that CHAOS that’s ruining our country!! :(

    • andrew forrer

      dear mr. chaos factor thankyou for your rather dour outlook on the conservative issue,it was a rather dark overview to say the least,but respectfully i do not share your viewpoint.I sir have a brighter outlook than you and have more faith than you that common sense and freedom loving people will prevail. I suggest that you read about the real history of this nation,not the drivel that is foisted on the unsuspecting young at this day and age. This great nation has had many challenges in the past,and the cries of injustice have always been heard and I predict that come November the true voice of the people will be heard through our vote. That is our heritage and that will be the downfall of this reign of socialism that for the moment has its grip on the pulse of this nation.

    • janie

      WHAT??? Huh? It’s about being black? Open your eyes! You, too, will see someday that skin color has nothing to do with the turmoil in the USA.

    • terry

      We will see in November!!!!!!!

    • http://rdhart1945@yahoo.com Richard Hart

      The Constitution is still the Law of our land. It is just as much my land as it is your land. All I want is our government to follow the law of our country, not some feel good thing that some want. I judge people on what they do, not what they look like. When people resort to saying I and others do things like that, they just do not what to discuss the issues. Please stop calling names and discuss our problems based on there merits.

    • Joe Johnston

      READ the BOOK,you fool. Now you are foolishly asking:”What BOOK??”
      Yep–I am the epitomy of a right winger. I am your worst nightmare,you fool. Come November there’s ganna be a “witch hunt”–just like in the 1700′s. Guess who is gonna get obliterated??? See you at the voting booth,you fool.

    • Mary Bramlett

      Probably all we really have to fear is people like you who don’t want to learn from the past. Your attitude seems to be “get out of my way. It’s my turn now.” Very adult.

    • ray livingston

      cf: are you kidding me ….? your criticism of the Right is all wrong. I believe Bush has dirty hands too as far as the increased spending is cc , but Barack has [with all the bailouts] increased the national debt more than all the U S presidents combined [and not because he's half black]; don’t know your age but I’m an ole’ fart trying to keep this HUGE , MONSTROUS debt off your [and yours] backs for the next 50 yrs. DON’T YOU SEE WHAT’S HAPPENING BEFORE YOUR EYES?

    • Doyle Sowerby

      You can go straight to HELL!!! You are simply too darn ignorant to know what you have missed and how wonderful and unique that which you are so determined to throw away!! If you ever do recognize it it won’t be until after it is way too late and fredom is gone. I would like to gloat then but it will be too late for that also. I am so very thankful that I lived thru that glorious age that you seem to despise and I really do feel sorry for you. This wonderful country was fought for over and over again and many hundreds of thousands of American Patriots gave their precious lives to protect all of our rights. If only those of us who do so love this fabalous country could simply send you to the country of your choice – never to return…OH YEAH !!!!

    • CMH

      Yea, I live in the real world–of corrupt politicians, pundits, news media, who all spin the truth to suit them. Maybe the USA will survive Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etal, but it will be a long hard struggle to bring it back to the REAL USA that I have known during my 78 years. We have to elect hard core conservatives who will stand for integrity and honesty in government and who will have the guts to cut spending.

    • George

      You’ve noticed. We ar no longer asleep and will take back our country. We are only looking to go back to where individual responsibility and opportunity was the rule of the day and NOT where the “intellectuals” as you call yourselves rule the roost. Keep watching, as you had your chance–you will be out soon!

    • Paul R.

      You leave us “Tea Partiers” laughing at you inability to see beyond your “Democtratic Party Indoctrination” line. You all say the same thing, because you can’t seem to look beyond your indoctrination.

      The fact is, there is a real world outside of your indoctrination confines that does offer hope for free-thinking conservatives to find answers to return our American way of life even though we find ourselves governed by lying Socialists relying on “Latino” and “union” votes to put them in office.

      The purpose of the independent voter, the Conservative voter and the “Tea Party” voter is to expose the TRUTH to the American electorate even though most of the Liberal news media plays the same tune that you do. What you fear is someone who does not spew the Party line and is not afraid to help the Truth come to light.

      I’ve got bad news for you, buddy! We are succeeding in exposing the lies and socialist agenda of Obama and his cohorts, and we will not syop until it is accomplished and the Obama regime is is thrown out of American Politics.

      ‘ See you in November when we start taking you left-leaning liberal Socialists out of office and re-instill American values back into our politics.

      Paul

    • http://aol bill i

      when i was 17 years old i marched with other freedom riders,we were hosed down and attacked by dogs and jailed,by racist democrats.Dr king was a republican and it was the republican congress that finally passed the civil rights act.we must stand together againist the progressives.without remembering history we will used again to destroy each other….

      • Lee in Big D

        Mr. Bill i! My hat is off to you for speaking the truth and letting everyone know the real issues you stood up for in the 1960′s!

        Where did the wheels come off Dr.King’s message of individual responsibility for all?

    • http://LIBERTYALERT EDWARD

      I’m a member of the “oppressed” middle class. I work for an “evil” rich man. He runs a non-union company that employs 70,000 people and has fared quite well in the current economic downturn. The company pays competitive wages and has good benefits. Those facts don’t matter to folks like Chaos and American Liberal. They are convinced that I am oppressed and that my boss is evil. That’s what they learned in college so it must be true. My boss pays millions in taxes so they can sit at their computers and rail against the evils of capitalism while trying to convince me that I am being oppressed.

    • Tx proud

      wanna bet……hang around and see

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    • Lee in Big D

      Chaos factor, perhaps you should change your name (with kudos to etrade baby) to shankopotamus! You pulled this one so far left, you’re are in the woods with no prayer of a re-election shot!

      You and your socio-commie buds have been in power since 2006 with nothing to show for it but a loser of a healthcare program, 15%+ unemployemnt, and deficit spending out your great-grandkids’ kazoo.

      November can’t get here soon enough!

    • Dennis C.

      If Obama gets his way; we will soon look like Nazi Germany. Obama as Hitler, and the IRS, as the Gestapo. With Obama`s Nat. ID card, and the IRS as his proposed civilian army, Americans will need to show card, and papers,just too cross the street. If one did not vote correctly, they won`t evenget their rations,and may be hauled away.If he can get enough disturbance to declare Martial Law,there won`t be anymore elections; Obama will rule for as long as he wishes. Let`s face it; Obama is a Communist!

    • Amerikanisch

      You’ve done a good job, Chaos.

      You’ve turned the country from Aunt Bee to a country full of criminals and gang members and headed by criminal traitors called politicians who only care about votes no matter who gets hurt.
      Today we are a nation of dependent ninnies with our hands out- waiting for government to save us- a government that only cares about it’s own survival.
      Americans that you welcome could not tame a continent. They couldn’t do anything but whine about how tough it is and cry for more government cheese. The people you welcome live for free rides.
      Congratulations. You could not build a great country but you can sure tear one down.

    • ron

      i’m in construction in ca my main line of work is concrete and landscaping. during this boom we had i didnt make anything better than normal,due to the fact that illegals were working for contractors during the week and working for home owners on the weekend at a very cheap rate.people would hire these non licenced illegals and get a cheap job,but the time they figured that out it was too late.now i dont have any work,but i see these illegals driving down the road still working for nothing. the repubs are responsable for this they always did nothing.bush once said the americans are too lazy to work,not true americans wont work for 5 dollars an hour.they cando anything they want on the border but until they fine employers for working illegals it wont stop when the farmers and just about everybody quit working these people they will come. easy fix fine the heck out of employers

    • Levoid

      I was a yellow dog Democrat. I was born one in 1927. It was a party of small businessmen, dirt farmers, workers even if on the WPA and actually there was only one registered Democrat in the whole county.
      The Democrat Party is not that party anymore. It has left the people who I mentioned above and has become the party of hate. The leaders are now more Marxist than Democrat who take up every crisis they can manufacture to cause racial tension and hatred. They distort history and expect everyone to believe.
      That county that was so Democrat now votes Republican and has no care that it was a member of the Republican party that freed the slaves. We never hear that one of the first men killed at Lexington was a free black man and many of Washington’s Army were free black men. But most of all the Democrat Party is a party of corruption. I did not leave the Democrat Party. It left me when it became the Social Democrat Party and it fight for human rights that I believe should be individual rights.

    • SMRTNUP

      I’ll say one thing for you, . . You picked the right screen name, . . CHAOS !!! . . . Don’t they have T.V., Newspapers or the Internet where you live. . . . If you do you should avail yourself of the information there and you will readily see that your entire comment is way off base !!! . . Hopefully you’re much more educated than the comment leads me to believe you are. . .
      Signed: Your Right Wing Friend who will probably end up saving YOUR BACON !!! . . .
      FIRST YOU MUST LEARN TO LOVE TO LOVE TO LEARN, . . AND THEN YOU WILL LEARN ! . . . BUT NOT BEFORE ! . . .

    • Stan B

      Tell me that after NOV 2th, and then after WE THE PEOPLE IMPEACH that communist marxist black man that say’s he is half white, but I don’t think he’s anything except a phony, liar, and a unamerican radical moron, a black fox ( so he thinks ) but he is in sheeps clothing that are white, and we have found out what he really is…..

    • Keep the high ground…

      Sr. Chaos…careful what you wish for…I don’t think you will like the “reality” you seem to be pushing. Most Americans have no idea what reality is anymore…they have been protected from it for too many generations. But it exists…ask the folks still risking their lives every day to get as far away from it as possible (i.e. enter the US). But Folks like you (who apparently already live in the US), seem completely taken in by the “smoke and mirrors” projected by our huge national government and bloated bureaucracy. Trading the world’s most successful free enterprise production system for a social justice, redistribution of wealth system…who would have thunk’ it, Uncle Karl would be proud. The real world just does not work that way (at least the human part of it). As messy as it may seem, even to many Americans…limited regulations, small government and individual freedom are what made our country, mankind’s beacon of hope these last 200 plus years. It is particularly sad that the majority of those in this country who have supported these changes, both actively and through thoughtless inaction, did not even know they had lost sight of the real American vision or why and how it had worked(literally and figuratively). Those who are waking up to these sad facts have a very steep climb out of the current pit that has been dug for us and our children. But the job is still doable…if enough people pick up the load. This is a job Americans can do…not republicans or democrats…AMERICANS.

    • Celia Stuart

      As for yellow dogs and Democrats America has reached the point where all people in government are so greedy they will agree to anything if they think they can make a dollar on it. Yes the world itself has changed since Abe Lincon but we need to remember the thing most proficient in the world that has not changed and never will change and that is God’s law. It won’t matter in the end if the politicans want to rule over the people and take their freedom away because God will look after his own. They (the politicans) will in the end answer to a higher power and it won’t be Obamy.

    • Joe

      Hey Chaos, it’s time for blacks and liberals to wake up and quit being prejudice against whites. Quit calling the race card. You talk about living in the past? This ain’t 1860 any more. Abraham Lincoln already freed your ass and you’re still moaning about it almost 200 years later. My white ancestors were slaves in America before your black ancestors were and you don’t see us moaning about it or calling the race card. If anything, blacks are the biggest racists of all. My ancestors were rednecks and crackers. Rednecks and crackers were slaves first. Check this out, “http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html”. I rest my case.

    • John

      You just wait buddy,the turnaround is coming. If you are lucky you just might come to understand how much of a wussy socialist world you almost lived in. Your day almost came and will come again but the country will not survive the next downturn. Hope you are the first casualty as you are struck down with your arms wide open. You will be confused as you go to your eternity.

    • steve reeser

      —-

    • ron

      r u stupid or power crazy. we the people will win once an for all.yea for the u s of A. THE usa sucks but americas the greastest

    • Gerald Harmon

      Said just like a Liberal Democrat. Just can not seem to see what is really happening to our country with the scum that are in control now. Just can not seem to see Democrats are losing more and more as each day passes. Just can not seem to see where the stupid Democratic Liberals do not pay any attention to what we the voters overwhelmingly want even when it is proven to them. Just can not see where this President is bringing our country down in the world thereby inviting more terrorist actions here in the USA. I can not believe how out of touch with the real America these Liberals are. Now you are going to call me all kind of names because I just hit a nerve.

    • Tippy Larkin

      I would love to live in Mayberry.

    • Ted P.

      It really breaks my heart to read such inferior statements form someone that is evidently old enough to write.
      When you get old enough to realize that you have your head stuffed in your rear-side, this country may be controlled by the leftist liberals and you probably will no longer have ANY RIGHTS to speak -out your opinions.
      The Liberals ALL seem to worship SATANS plan to enslave the entire world.
      Liberals praise theives, liars, organized crime, corruption, and any mios-guided direction that they can dream up.
      SO SAD.
      T.P.

    • Wayfaring Stranger

      I fear no man, but the man who has so far removed himself from the truth as to live in another reality altogether. That man is to be avoided at all costs.

      Race is so far from the issue I hesitated to say anything at all. The issue really comes down to right and wrong, truth. My dad explained it to me in pretty simple terms “there is no free lunch!” The Utopian hopes of Obama and his idealistic kin are not possible. I’m not saying there is no good thing there to be striving for, I’m saying you cannot get there from here by going that direction.

      PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY must come into play, you keep what you earn, you individually share out of the wealth of knowledge, experience and resources you have. Money may result, but the knowledge, experience, and resulting expertise you have gained are the real wealth that can be brought to bear in an otherwise hopeless world needing to be loved in DEEDS, not in word. Real Love is an action verb, good feelings may follow, but not without personal actions first.

      The truth is not dependent on your belief in it being the truth. Gravity does not depend on your belief in it, it simply is a governing principal of this planet and your refusal to believe will not result in you being spun off the planet into space.

      Wanting the good principles of the “Aunt Bee, Opie…” era isn’t a bad thing. Refusing to believe that those good principles are good is the bad thing.

      Some of us spend our life living out those good principles, neatly summarized as “Love your neighbor as yourself, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” We don’t want handouts and we don’t just blindly give handouts. We do work, learn, and teach what we know to others who can then help themselves. We help those who can’t help themselves and teach those who are teachable. We make a practice of doing the right thing in every situation and speaking the truth in love. “Speaking the truth in love” does not mean that there will be nothing harshly said, or that the hearer will appreciate it, it means to express the root truth into a situation in the hopes of redeeming the persons involved. What we “right wing extremists” want is others to do the same.

    • http://AMERICANVISION.ORG LEE

      THIS NUT MUST THINK ALL WHITE PEOPLE OWNED SLAVES,GO LOOK AT THE 1860 CENSUS IN THE SOUTH 4.6 % OF WHITES OWNED SLAVES,AND OF ALL THE WHITES IN AMERICA AT THE TIME 1860 1/2 OF 1 % OWNED SLAVES,AND IN NEW OREANS,28% OF THE BLACKS WERE FREE,AND THEY ALSO OWNED SLAVES,IN FACT IF YOU WAS A SLAVE IN LIOUSIANA,YOU WAS 5-TIMES X MORE LIKELY TO BE OWNED BY A BLACK MAN,DID NOT THE POOR WHITES SUFFER BECAUSE OF LOW WAGES WHICH SLAVERY WAS RESPONCEABLE FOR.DONT LOOK AT ME LIKE I WAS A SLAVE OWNER,NONE IN MY FAMILY EVER OWNED A SLAVE,BUT OBAMA AND HIS NEW WORLD ORDER PLANS TO ENSLAVE US ALL,GOD HELP AND BLESS AMERICA

    • http://Livingston M Jodan

      Watch in November!

    • JeffD

      Written by a true kool-aid drinker. America is a center-right country. Read the Constitution. I know you probably won’t like what it says, but it talks about LIMITED Government, and individual responsibilities and freedoms. Nothing about handouts or free anything … except freeDOM.

    • Terry Elliott, Black Canyon City, Az, USA

      Chaos factor. Do you know what a “right-wing extremist” is? It is simply one who believes in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution & the Bill of Rights. It’s really that simple. These documents were not created overnight, the Constitution was ratified in 1789 & the Bill of Rights was ratified in 1791. They were written by the brightest minds that dwarf the idiocy of the left-wing loonies. I suggest that you should have studied them before you exposed your ignorance what has made this the greatest nation ever created in the history of mankind – which is FREEDOM & limited government, a strong national defense & CAPITALISM!!!!! The so-called “right wing” is far from dead as you will witness on Nov 2nd of this yr. Of coursre, as a liberal wing nut, you have to play the race card, pertaining to Obamadinejad. I don’t give a rat’s rear end what race he is, I totally reject the direction he & his commie-lib radical administration are taking this nation. He has been referred to many times as a socialist – this is an understatement – he is, @ the current time a facist. Look up the meaning & then consider the gov’t takeover of the auto companies, the banking industry, the attempts to do the same with the nation’s health care system – the finest in the world, & we will shove it up his anal port just like he tried to ram it down our throats, & now what they are trying to do to Wall St. I really pity you libs, for you haven’t a grasp on reality & what you seek is nothing but self-destruction. C’mon November 2nd

    • Bill Sheets

      Boy are you screwed up. Bet you are one of those liberals that always bites the hand that feeds it and never has a damn thing good to say about your country. I bet you never had a real job making an honest living and bet you are totally helpless at having to work with your hands, or to build or fix or figure out anything in life. You probably blame everything but yourself for your rotten situation in life. Why dont you just renounce your US citizenship and move to Cuba, Venezuela, France, or somewhere else where you can have it so great and live off the system there where it is so great. The USA doesn’t need toxic people like you… so dry up and blow away. You sound like every other left wing —– pseudo intellectual I have ever met. ——-

    • SSG_Possum

      You sound like a ‘Socialistic’ pig. You’re the one tht needs to get a “life’. The ‘left’ is in a ‘fantasy world’. There is NOTHING wrong with the ‘original’ wording of the U.S. Constitution. Our Fore Fathers ‘knew’ what they were talking about when they wrote it. They seem to have have ‘more’ insight into the future than we seem to be able to conjur up today. So much for our educational system these days. We’re dumber now than we were (say) 40 years ago. How’d that happen with all our ‘current’ technology?? Hmmmmm? Could be the technology has ‘dumbed us down’.
      I’m NOT Republican, nor am I (nor will I EVER be) Democrat. I ‘AM AN AMERICAN’. I follow the Constitution (and what it says). To be blunt, short and sweet….’Right is RIGHT and wrong is WRONG’. It’s a two-way street, NOT a super highway.
      I took an oath when I joined the U.S. Army some 40 years ago to…’Protect and defend against ALL enemies ‘foreign’ or ‘domestic’….(you know the rest of the oath). Well, it seems we have more enemies ‘domestic’t these days than we do foreign. Who do I shoot first?? Second??? Third?? Last??? [All 'hints' gladly accepted.] You, first maybe?? Just a thought.
      ‘Nuff Said’

    • http://none captaindano

      COMMUNIST WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK AND TO KEEP THE FREEDOM WE ARE MENT TO HAVE. IF YOU RUN YOUR HOUSEHOLD THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT IS RUN YOU WOULD BE IN JAIL IN 30 SECONDS OR LESS. WHO PUTS UP THE BIG BUCKS TO ELECT A MAN OR WOMAN PRESIDENT AND WHAT PROMISES HAVE TO BE MADE FOR THEM? COMMON SENSE TELLS AMERICA WE ARE NOT REPRESENTED IN WASHINGTON DC BIG MONEY IS. ITS CALLED SELL OUT NOT FALL OUT.

    • Bystander

      WHAT A CROCK OF CRAP!

    • Gayle Bowers

      Hi Just wait till November 2010

    • http://z4.invisionfree.com/NevadaUSA/index.php? AndieJ

      Your words sound like what all liberal Democrates say. Really!
      Do Libs go to school to learn those mini speeches and the words that must be used? Only kidding..LOL

      Lib/Demos for 8 years degraded, disrespected, called the president ignorant, dumb, mocking Bush’s every word, every bill he signed etc., you get the picture.

      Now Libs are angry that their Messiah is being, justifiably, mocked on different tv show, blogs, internet forums, newspapers, radio shows etc.,
      probably world wide by now?

      When a standing President allows his administration to reportedly say nasty things about Americans, especially Conservatives.
      Which is why NO ‘Tea Party’ member would do anything different then they have been doing. The WH needs someone to start some violence
      Its time Americans really get involved with politics, to save America from what appears to be a far left swing in the Democratic congress towards socialism. Have you noticed that too?

      Which brings us back to all TP members and non members want is to be heard, not ignored then called names by many employees in the WH.

      We only want our country to stay free a nation and free from government intrusion into our private lives…. why would they want to know how many toilets we have?

    • Whirtebread

      You actually think (It goes back to fear again… The right wing is in it’s death throes… They fear becoming a minority, they fear having a powerful black man as president… The rights whole life is based on fear and smothered by ignorance..) I would call that a racist remark but as we all know only Whitey can be raciest. Our current President, though a supposed Constitutional lawyer I believe. Seems to be doing a good job of ignoring it! The president has never taken a seat at the UN security council, and has always abdicated it to some one else. Why did they do this? It violates the Constitution, Our president can only bear allegiance to the USA, not also represent foren interests like the united nations.
      What is feared if anything is the promised fundamental change on America. The destruction of the Constitution and Bill of Rights is what makes me scared. It has all started small, take hate speech, who gets to decide what hate speech is? Who gets to redefine it and when? A elected official, a czar, appointed person with no term limits or over site? You or I can be charged with a Hate Crime for what we say or do, if the color of our skin or our religion is different, and be prosecuted differently. I guess the First Amendment is technically dead.
      Forget right/left, democrat/republican, what color our skin, religion or anything else. Pay attention to what is going on, look at is what is best for your descendants and not will just put a buck in your pocket now. Our generation needs to take a stand and do what is best for all of our children.Turn off your TV, look at the people you see every day, are the OTHER people really wanting anything any different you.
      I am just whitebread, weather you see it or not, all the special protections for other than white bread (supply your own oppressed group looking for special protection) will be a detriment to us all. Government is beyond it’s bounds, read the founding documents, you will see as long as you do not violate anthers natural rights (God given)you were free to do as you wanted. Well not so much anymore.
      Being whitebread if you do not support our founding documents you can orally stimulate me all you want, when not supporting those documents, but when that lack comes back and stomps you in the ground, your winning will fall on dead ears. I will be in jail or dead fighting for our rights.
      Whitebread

  • American liberal

    It’s the top 2% that got all the ” handouts”… The top 2 % have made more in the last decade than ever before…and on top of that we just bailedout them out with 100′s of billions because the republicans deregulated them ( banks , lenders) and on top of that they ” Took” bonuses… While the middleclass take the burden… Middleclass wages have been stagnet, our cost of living has gone through the roof .. And all the benifits have gone to the very rich….why doesn’t Bob Livingston write an artical on how much money the top 2% has made over the last decade….greed… He doesn’t want to pay taxes… He’d rather you pay them… You were never taxed more than you been taxed by the republicans during the last decade… It’s called the cost of living .. And the republicans put the cost of living through the roof..

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRHT

      You need an education. Have you read the Communist Manifesto, Animal Farm, The Obamanation, or any books at all. Your ignorance is common in this country, and the reason an intelligence test should be required to vote.

      • Steve

        Pretty good idea. Something needs to be done to educate all of the fools still laboring under the false assumption of dems are “for the working man”. Dems are only able to remain in power by pandering to low-life idiots looking for hand outs (entitlements) without concern that America is headed for third world status. You also need to question why is it that communists, socialists, marxists, feel so at home in the democrat party.

        • kate8

          Steve, great point!

        • SMRTNUP

          HALLELUJAH,STEVE !!! . . YOU’RE PREACHING TO THE CHIOR !!!

    • Kirk

      ALib, Please take the AMERICAN out of your name because you’re anything but. Being the ” Socialist ” you are, use that instead. It’s more factual than you’ll ever realize. How old are you…. 17? Why should we care what the rest of the world thinks about us…. we are who we are and to be totally truthful, I’m sick and tired of bailing the world out and them showing no gratitude whatsoever. We’ll just call you and your ilk the ” LIE beral DUMO crats “. I think that sums it up pretty well.

      • terry

        I AGREE Kirk, Nov. soon! 2012 next!

    • Jeep

      AL, I know you don’t like facts, but sometimes they can be instructive. Such as the top 50% paid 96% of the federal income taxes collected. OR, that 47% of wage earners paid NO federal income tax last year. Meanwhile, the top 1% contributed around 33% of the entire federal income taxes collected.

      Or, golly geeze, did you know that the lowest earning 1/5th received $8.21 in govt spending for each dollar raised? Keep in mind that they did not contribute to the pot. And, middle income got about $1.30 while the “rich” received about 41 cents?

      Those darn rich people, can you believe they still live in a country that takes so much, and gives so little back? If I were them, I think Costa Rica is a nice place to settle.

      • Tippy Larkin

        What you should be looking at is the proportion of what they paid to what they make or have. Simple isn’t it.

    • DaveH

      Oh Yeah, the top 2% get all the handouts:
      http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html

      American Liberal, just admit it. You want to ride on the backs of other people against their will. You are an enslaver masquerading as a humanitarian. I am here to take that mask off.

    • Charles

      thats funny – you are talking in billions and this fool is talking in TRILLIONS …. where do you think that stumlis package went – it damn sure didn’t go to the working people!
      AND THATS 1T in your tax money WASTED!
      And thats just the tip of the iceberg …. with earmarks at a all time high and this fool has spent more in 1 1/2 years than bush did in 8 and you are still talking money …. leftwards (changed from libtard to be nice!)will never see that there way is just wrong – it has to be shown to them …. wait till november and see what happens – then 2012 ….

    • mark roberts

      Remember that people from Goldman Sachs have been giving the Democrats huge amounts of money. plus they have been kissing up to ‘THE SOCIALIST PRINCE OBAMA” since he took office! Also the tax laws are written for people who try to create wealth by trying to create jobs! All this administration wants to do is keep people poor and dependant on the GOVERNMENT for their every need! Banking, cars, health care, food choices. what is next??????

      • terry

        Obowma: tax, tax, tax,and when you have nothing left to tax, everything else will become theirs to auctioned off to ” spread the wealth.

    • Ted P.

      If I recall correctly, the DEMOCRATS deregulated the LOAN requirements and was SIGNED BY BILL (SLICK-WILLY ) CLINTON.

      Spend some time in the library and read the CLINTON ERA historic news papers.
      The Democrats were in control of the Senate & House when this stupid legislation was passed.

      So SAD.
      T.P.

  • http://www.giftsbyprovintech.com An “Adopted” Conservative and US Citizen

    To all Liberals — I don’t get you people … if you don’t like the system we have here why don’t you just LEAVE and try out what a lot of us (East) Europeans etc… gladly left BEHIND? the socialists, marxists and communists have NEVER had the people best interest … only theirs and that is as clear as day … with them WE the MIDDLE class will always suffer … we’re too rich to be poor and too poor to be rich but since we are the BIGGEST class of ppl we’re always the one’s that get it …. we’ll pay for the poor and the rich will stash their money elsewhere and probably not pay much more then what they are paying now …. so, who will be hurt if say an A/C breaks that normally would have cost $4,000 – $5,000 will now with the GREEN crap cost $8,000 to $12,000 worth …. you think the rich will mind paying extra? no they won’t … how about the poor? most probably don’t have any or they will get subsidies … how about the baby boomers on their way to retirement which suffer from 401 down to 201 (Soros sure didn’t loose anything he MADE MILLIONS off that crisis)…. but the middle class took a heck of a blow …. and what do we get for that? help? of course not …. we’re going to be hit some more to be put into submission …. I’ll pay your ONE WAY ticket to Venezuela, Cuba, Siberia or whatever …. get a sample of those regime …. quit being what we call “A Living Room Socialist” … you want it with all the trimings that “capitalism” offers for YOU …. heck who cares about “us” the people …. you need to “supress” us because we have “opinions” and that is dangerous to your agenda … my mother was German (socialist) and what father was Russian (socialist/communist) and I was born in one of the french speaking countries Belgium (socialist) we pay there up to 75% in taxes VAT is 21% … right now on the scale of 1-30 with the highest tax rate we are # 27 but with this regime we’re headed to # 4 with the highest tax rates 1-3 being Finland, Holland and yes …. BELGIUM! by the time you get through there is NOTHING left to ENJOY life … pay property taxes on each windows (that includes skylight + cellars opening 2 counts as 2 windows)… pay tax on EACH TV you have (how many you got?) … etc… in Germany they pay up to $600 in taxes for PETS …. how you like this? be MY guest to MOVE there … I didn’t come here for this …..

    • http://boblivingston anne

      Dear Sir or Madame. I admire your true statements but as noted in my comment under Anne. I have been to Europe, stayed for more than one week and immediately on return to The USA was so thankful on my return to my country. You have spoken the truth and I agree LEAVE THE COUNTRY IF YOU DO NOT LIKE. this includes many liberals and those in Hollywood who have made tons of money which could never be so in other countries by acting stupidly.
      I and many true conservatives thank you for speaking the truth. I do wish more would come forward and tell truth including the socialist Soros who has made millions in this country and supporting socialist president who wants change. Change for what the rich getting richer and the poor will be poorer.What president has made over 5 million? and not from books as he claims? Playing the market his friends have suggested.

  • http://boblivingston anne

    the above remarks from the liberal is exactly why most still vote democrat. STUPID PEOPLE. Follow the crowd, believe all democrats have to say rather than seeking more info from either a REPUB or Dem.
    In voting one must weigh all rather than voting for one party.
    Please listen to your candidate otherwise we will be a socialist nation. Perhaps many who have never left this country or state should travel and learn about life.
    One trip to Europe a person would return to this country and appreciate freedom.

    • American liberal

      You were incapable of telling me what I was wrong about…we are where we are.. And it was the republican give away to the rich ( wallstreet) that got us here… Has the wealth of the rich gone sky high during the last decade?..and has the wages and wealth of the middleclass declined?… I bet you won’t answer that

      • Be

        So, if the trickle down (your words) effect does not work, does that mean you are creating jobs? Those who are on welfare and food stamps, even by no fault of their own, does that mean they are going to give me a job or create jobs for many others? You leftist libs think a company should not make money, yet you are not the job creator making money. You want to oppress the poor and people of color by giving them just enough to live on, and poorly I might add, so that they will continue to vote the same elite libs in office. It is all about power and money for the elite libs and they have those who vote for them thinking they must depend on their kind. So sad…

        • terry

          Yes Be, so, so sad and so true.

      • Barb

        I and all my family and friends are what is considered middle class and I gotta tell you Amlib that since Reagan was president we have done extremely well! So have all our friends and family! My husband and I have no debt and haven’t for years, we save more than we spend, we go on two or three vacations each year and we give to several charities. We paid off our house 15 years early, we were living the American dream till your president came along and started his campaign AGAINST the middle class. It was Barney Franks and Pelosi and crew that drove the stock market to collapse in ’08 because of Fanny May and Freddie Mac and that was the beginning of the assault on the middle class and our savings and nest eggs for our retirement, and Obama is keeping the assault going, so how is that for an explanation? Something you probably didn’t really want to hear, huh? The Democratic party is the party that hurts the growth of this nation, not the Republican party or the Libertarian or Independents just the Damndemocrats!

      • Joe

        It’s not a Rebublican or Democrat issue. They are the elite. They will say or do anything to make there fans happy. Obama is only their spokesman. He’s as dumb as a box of rocks. If he’s not popular by 2012, they will just choose a new spokesman. Just to keep us quiet. They don’t care about any of us, they only care about themselves. They pre-select the candidates that they would tolerate and then we vote usually on people we know nothing about. If you don’t have financial backing from the elite, then you couldn’t afford to run for office. Otherwise, I would run for office myself, and I know you’ve never heard of me. I might be the best candidate, but without the paid commercials and sponsors, I would never make it.

      • Darrel

        American Liberal – you are a sad, sad case. Who will pay for your handout programs when all the “rich” people get tired of your smuck ideas and move to Monaco? I bet you thinkg the government will fix it by printing more money! You have absolutely no understanding of commerce. You need to get educated! But not in any of those dunderhead institutions that mix social issues in with math! Could it be that is the cause of all this misguided, incorrect liberal information?

    • American liberal

      It’s funny listening to you Tea baggers trying to rationalize why all the middleclass wealth( your) should be passed up to the top 2%. .. And your calling us stupid?..all you can come up with is The same old Kool-aid insults and nonsense… You’re like locust..you ruin everything you touch and insist on protecting the rich at your expense… Of course you thought Tax cuts for companys that shipped off jobs to China is a wonderful think… You are nothing but useful fools for the top 2%… Americas ignorant.. That’s the tea bagger party( mob)

      • Hollywood

        You guys keep talking about the rich as in Bloomberg, Trump, etc. But you are still watching sports. Yes, filling the pockets of boys and girls who play games. Sorry athlete, I’m not putting you down, I wish I was good enough to be on tour (PGA).

      • skipfoss

        AMLIB you had better look at who started this deal with China it was your buddy Gore and Clinton read up on how much that Gore got as a gift from the Chinese Monks and go lookat the number of Chinese big business reps spent the night at the White house. Ho Chi Kerry started dealing with the Chinese leaders many years before that get your facts right before you point your crooked little fingers and look at the Dem congress that made Bush remove the Tarrif he put on Chinese steel,one of the most dangerous products besides the sheet rock that the construction industry are forced to buy because the dems will not tax the products that are shipped here and will not inspect them until it found to cause a big problem and they can’t hide it any more

      • Charles

        Its funny how you call names – its tea partyers … teabagger is what you do with your boyfriend!
        You are sooooo wrong about the rich and protect them …. look at the top 100 rich people and look if its changed from bush time to now … nope … it will never change!
        But here the thing – if you look at how many people the top 100 richest people employ (Im talking with all bennys and good jobs – not just sweep the floor) they really employ or oversee 40% of all workers … so when they make money – they hire more and so on and so forth ….
        you cant understand ….even in a communist party there are the rich ohh wait you call them oligarchs ….

        • terry

          Charles! GOOD ANSWER DUDE!

      • Darrel

        Seems to me that the industrial revolution and invention promoted the best standard of living in the world in this country. And you idiot liberals want to kill anything that makes a profit. Where do you think charity comes from? Out of profits. Who supports the arts? People spending profits. Who goes to the movies? People spending THEIR profits from the work they performed. You idiot liberals have turned the Democrat party into a bunch of blood-suckers that want to take from industrious folks and hand it out to those that won’t lift a hand. You want to tax anything successful into oblivion. And then complain because the jobs went overseas. You caused this, mister liberal.

      • Ted P.

        SIMPLE GREED CAUSED OUR JOBS TO LEAVE. THE LIBERAL BACKED UNIONS HELPED THE COMPANIES DECIDE TO LEAVE BY MAKING GREEDY DEMANDS UPON THE MANUFACTURERS.
        JUST TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE NORTHERN AREAS, FORMER GIANTS, IN THE FIELD OF INDUSTRY. DO THEY LOOK BARREN ?
        NOW LOOK SOUTH AND ASK HOW MANY INDUSTRIES ARE LOCATING HERE BECAUSE
        OF THE LACK OF UNIONS WHICH ARE CONTROLLED BY LIBERAL-BACKED ORGANIZED CRIME. DO YOU KNOW WHO JIMMY HOFFA JR. IS ?
        WAKE UP AND ASK SOME SENSIBLE QUESTIONS BEFOR MAKING BASELESS STATEMENTS.

        T.P.

  • American liberal

    The trickle down theory has never worked… Ever..it just creates more greed from the top

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      It is not the trickle down theory, it is supply side economics. How many books on economics have you read? None apparently. Why do totalitarian socialist such as yourself think that you can better invest the wealth of all people better than they themselves? The free enterprise capatalist system is the best in the history of economics. Yes, the distribution of wealth will be uneven, based on the efforts hard work of each indiviudual. Some will be blessed with greater talents, intelect, and luck than others. So why should you lay claim to the fruits of their labor? Some will come by their earnings dishonestly, and that wealth should be comfiscated and those individuals punished. Social Security is a ponze scheme. Were I allowed to have invested the extra monies comfiscated from me and my employers since 1966 (above and beyond the monies neccessary to supply those collecting their benefits) rather than the government saving it for my future benefits, I would have no need to ever collect Social Security. Unfortunately the Democrats who have controlled Congress for 90% of the past 8 years chose to spend the windfall tax receipts and not save it for my future benefits. With the extra taxes I have payed on the FICA since the 1970′s stolen from me by YOU and your like, I would have been able to invest more of MY earnings for MY future use. You are nothing but a common theif and I consider you my mortal enemy.

      • Jeep

        Didn’t Mernie Madoff go to jail for the same kind of scheme that is essentially Social Security?

        • Jeep

          That would be “Bernie”!!

    • kate8

      AL, you are idiotic and moronic.

      Notice my use of adjectives, not nouns.

    • Joe

      The trickle down doesn’t work? Well, we know the trickle up doesn’t work, right? The poor have nothing to trickle up. I don’t think the rich elite care if you tax their income, because they don’t work. Let’s say you have a billion dollars. That means you don’t need to work. 10% annual interest on 1 billion = 100 million dollars. Now you can tax that 100 million as income. Let’s say you tax it 75%. Okay then, the government takes 75 million from that rich person for income tax. That rich elite still made 25 million profit for the year and still has the original 1 billion they started with. They didn’t have to do anything except sit by the pool sipping that martini. Obama says there is a point when enough money made is enough. What is that point? Obama made 5 million last year. He only made 400 thousand for being president but he made over 4 million from his holdings. Did he make too much? Do athletes make too much? Do movie stars make too much?

  • Bruce

    American Liberal, Chaos factor and trut

    Keep drinking the Obama-Ade, you delusional fools.

    Better get a history lesson, AL, because this article nails the truth; the DEMONRATS were the party of slavery, formed the KKK and are the true racists. They are the most insidious type of racist, as they do it covertly.

    It’s obvious that you are just another union moron. Unions have done damage to the economy of this country than any other factor, with their stupid and unsustainable benefits. Their twisted economics have driven up the cost of anything that they touch. It invites shoddy work practices, because the perpetrators know that the union will protect them from being fired. Two further points; First, I have worked with union pukes for years and watched safety procedures either ignored or by-passed because they were deemed stupid or take too much time. Second, in my dealing with these same union pukes, I can’t tell you how many of them I have witnessed purchasing foreign or non-union made cars, trucks and even their tools, because they were cheaper! I have no love nor sympathy for unions, because you are all hypocrites! I dare say that If you saw how much your national and local officers made, you wouldn’t be too happy.

    Anyone that supports the demonrat party are nothing but freeloaders!

  • http://boblivingston anne

    as a liberal you will never make a statement other than a quickie to satisfy your thinking. I did answer to the true person who came to country to get away from socialism as have many . Not to destroy country but to better themselves to live FREE.
    I believe if you do not like freedom now is time to go to a country other than USA which is more to your thinking.

  • http://gmail i41

    Am lib, you just showed how stupid the socialist moron yellow pup democrats are, with the mantra of union’s helping make a living wage for working people! Unions over charge on projects, are lazy assed work slower crews, I know, I’ve had to supervise the boneheaded democrat slugs. They will not work on another job or area, if it isn’t in their job descriptions. They will stand around scratching their behinds, rather than help in other areas, on the same project. If you hire a operator, that is all they do, sit on their behinds if an opereator isn’t needed for a couple of hours, and sleep on the clock. Your democrat union loving beleifs, has screwed up our schools (NEA) and driven vehicles way too high cost to be consumed, because of its price for the working person. Buy more Toyotas, than Government Mandated Company vehicles. Haliburton just kicked out the union in its Wyoming Benotnite plants, and then got rid of the screw offs and gave a $1,50 a hour raise to the new workers and what was left of the old crews, and the workers get more than $30 a hr. with benefits. Now the company can cross train the crews to cover any thing in the plants, with out the union dinks laying eggs and filing greivances, on of all kinds of things even senority issues, over where someone is put into a job instead of just standing around doing nothing. Of course dems are trained from birth, to follow the leader, and will not think or do a damn thing with out the tribe mentality guiding them and telling them how to think and vote!

    • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

      Hey hold on now. I was born and raised in a Dem household. It only takes trying to listen to both sides with an open mind before you realize that the Dem party has it all wrong! I am a convert. So there
      are others of us that will cross the old party lines too once they also realize that the Dem way is the wrong way.

  • Allan

    According to American Liberal, the trickle down theory never worked. Right…all it did was build the greatest country in the history of the world. We’ve had tough times, we’ll have them again. I’ll take our system on its worst day over any other system. If the doom and gloom President, Democrats, media, and liberals at large would spend some time appreciating their country, it would go a long way toward changing the attitude of Americans.

    • terry

      Don’t recall who said it, but I think very profound, THE GREATNESS OF A COUNTRY CAN BE MEASURED BY THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN VERSES THE AMOUNT TRYING TO GET OUT!!!!!!

  • ronsat

    What will the Value Added Tax mean to seniors on fixed income

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear ronsat,
      The cost of everything you buy will go up, meaning you will have to stretch your income further to make ends meet. The VAT will hurt the economy and will affect everyone.
      Best wishes,
      Bob

    • Richard Pawley

      Well, ronsat, I suspect that a VAT will send many to an earlier grave and make life impoverished for even more. Even a national sales tax would be cheaper and easier to administer without copying the European nations and trying to be like them. Sadly, many responding on this site are so emotional about their politics that some on both sides miss the big picture. Some rant and rave about President Obama like he was the devil himself but he is just one man and he could have not passed the so-called health bill that will eventually save a few but be responsible for the deaths of far more, without the complicity of Congress. Both Democrats and Republicans passed Social Security some 75 years ago and both Democrats and Republicans passed Medicare in the 1960′s, and both Democrats and Republicans passed Medicaid so I don’t see how those who hate Republicans and are blinded by the Democratic Narrative can say “the Republicans” hate the common man. True, not one single Republican voted for the take-over of health care by the government because it is easy to look at any country that has this ‘arrangement’ and see that whatever country you are looking at has poorer health care than here. Of course when the masses find out that the Muslims are exempt from having to buy forced health insurance at inflated prices and that we will have to pay higher taxes to pay for them then this terrible scam might be overturned, but don’t count on it. Did you know that a dog or a cat can get a CAT Scan in Canada in 24 hours but it often takes many months for a human to get one? Does anyone ask why? Free is never free. Just because not one single Republican, even the fake ones, did not vote for the so-called health bill, some are filled with anger and hatred, which will change nothing. Those who seek find and many know how bad it is in places where they have socialized medicine and Value Added Taxes. Do you know why Jesus is one of the most hated (and one of the most loved) people in the world? Because he didn’t play favorites, he spoke the truth, he didn’t take sides. He looked into men’s hearts and saw them as they were. He had fishermen, and farmers, workers of all sorts, a doctor and even a then-despised tax collector who followed him as well as an occasional rich person (and at least one public person who supported him but on the sly). I find it interesting that the Republican Party leadership is made of mostly of regular people from all sorts of professions, small businessmen and farmers, doctors and fishermen, and even a few rich people, while the Democratic Party leadership is almost all lawyers. The point is don’t get involved with the narrative of those who keep doing all they can to raise your taxes while they do all they can to bankrupt the country by squandering all the money they can borrow, no matter what they call themselves. Read, study, learn! Watch what Glenn Beck teaches on Fox News and then watch what ACORN, the ACLU and the socialists are doing to dismantle the United States. Watch the Republicans and especially the Democrats like a hawk. Both Republicans and Democrats (and the Independents) will have to live with the terrible inflation that Congress is creating. This is a given. It may not happen this year but I don’t see how it can be avoided in the near future. When Congress eventually destroys the value of the dollar with their insane spending of borrowed money it won’t make any difference if you are a downtrodden Democrat (not all are) a rich Republican (not all are) or a slightly above average Tea Party Independent, ALL will be affected. Someone said that it is not about right and left but it is about right and wrong, and that is the truth. Why do those who think a one world government and a socialist America are so great absolutely hate Glenn Beck and FOX News? Because he speaks the truth as he sees it and often exposes what is being done under the cover of night by both Democrats and Republicans. He loves his country and doesn’t want anyone to destroy it. He doesn’t play favorites so some Republicans and most Democrats can’t stand him. Both would prefer he keep silent and not expose what they are really doing. It’s the same reason some hate Sarah Palin, because she doesn’t play the game. She says what she means and means what she says. No, she isn’t perfect and I would not want anyone who was trying to run the country or the economy. Like Henry Ford she is smart enough to know that she doesn’t know everything but that she can find someone who does. (Ford once sued someone for calling him stupid and in the court case he was asked a lot of tricky questions by lawyers, but one of the ones I remember best was when he said he could hire any number of PhD’s for $50,000 a year to answer one of the tricky questions). Again, don’t get taken in by the narrative of those who think they know it all. Anyone who has all the answers is to be feared. They undoubtedly think they are God and can do anything. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, and Chevez, all fit into this category. NO ONE KNOWS IT ALL. After you watch Glenn Beck on Fox News, then watch what SEIU, and the ACLU and the socialists are doing. One of the wise ancients said that “Politics is God’s punishment to mankind for sin” and that seems truly so. The sad truth is that we are not going to solve all these problems, that have taken a hundred years to create, in our lifetime, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. IF we can replace those in Congress, this November, not just in 2012, then we may have a chance. Already the spending of borrowed money by all nations has set the scene for massive inflation, not just here, but world wide. I expect food and fuel prices to TRIPLE here. Whether that will be because of the adoption of a tax designed to soak the middle class and anyone who is not on Uncle Sam’s Plantation, I do not know. However, you can purchase non-perishable foods that are canned in nitrogen and will last for 25 years without losing their nutrition and inflation alone will pay for them. In fact start to buy all the things you will need. I purchased three hand held potato peelers for 67 cent each a couple of years ago. Still using the same one I’ve used for years but they are now 1.95 each. Don’t forget water too. Try to think like an early American, those who lived before the Federal Reserve Bank and Supermarkets, nearly a hundred years ago. Of course their money was real and there had been almost no inflation for the previous hundred and twenty years. Learn to take care of yourself as much as possible. Hope for the best but prepare for the worse, chaos, riots, food shortages, and the breakdown of law and order. Read about what others have endured in Argentina and other countries that have collapsed. Even if we don’t collapse and Congress only doubles our taxes the coming inflation will pay for whatever you buy. Bet you don’t know how much toilet paper you use in a year? I do and have a years supply on hand. Next year it will cost more. So will everything else except perhaps, houses. Apparently the government has plans to seize gold sometime after it reaches 1600 or 1700 an ounce so the rich who have some won’t do so well there either. Don’t forget water. Move out of big cities if you can and if you live in LACALIF I would advise moving ASAP as there is a high probability of a GREAT EARTHQUAKE there sometime in the next four and a half months. If you are so fortunate as to believe in God, you can pray for guidance and direction about anything, even this. You have to learn to take care of yourself. Big government is not going to be able to do so in the very near future. Get off of “Uncle Sam’s Plantation” (a book by Star Parker who broke away from the slavery of being ‘kept’ and ‘helped’ by a benevolent government). Be aware that there are some outright lied presented in the views of some on this site just as there are some who are brainwashed that the Democrats (or Republicans) can do no wrong. Also be aware that just as Hitler learned the techniques of propaganda from a US Democratic president (Wilson) so watch the lies that are repeated over and over.
      Eventually some, even some that comment here, come to believe them. Just remember that it is Congress who passes all these bills and raises all the taxes. Vote this November and you will have done something to be proud of as much as those who fought off the Tories in Colonial America and established our great country. May God bless America. No one else is going to do so!

      • kate8

        Great post, Richard. I agree with you whole-heartedly.

        Not even Congress and Obama together could, alone, strong-arm the votes to go against the will of the people. They have real power behind them that can make or break their careers, so they go along in their own self-interst. There are pitifully few with the courage to be heros. Watch the ones the media demonizes, and you know who has probably not (yet) sold out.

        If we wise up enough as a nation to defy the media and snap out of this mind-controlled stupor, we might yet have a chance.

  • Ben Goodin

    I agree 100% with American Liberal and Chaos factor. Conservatives fit the definition of “true believers” perfectly. No matter what the evidence, they will continue to believe the lies. I suggest the conservatives should leave and find a more fascist country to live in. They are small minded idiots.

    • JeffH

      I love hearing the “standard chants” from the Sheeple.

      Sheeple:
      The hoi polloi. Those who follow triends blindly. Portmanteau of “sheep” and “people”, derived as sheep follow their flock and shepherd seemingly mindlessly.

      • Normal Guy

        JeffH

        Definition of Sheeple – Teabaggers, Fox viewer, JeffH and friends

        Basically simpletons who have no idea what they are talking about see:
        Palin Bagger Sheeple, Glenn Beck bagger Sheeple, Limbaugh bagger Sheeple, Colton Bagger Sheeple, Hannity Bagger Sheeple… Conpiracy and delusion are the way so just accept anything that sounds bat$hit crazy.

        Instructions:
        remove any rational discourse, avoid any thinking, never read anything but extreme right wing blogs, watch Fox News and watch conspiracy sites with pictures of guns and the constitution, don’t go to good universities- that your grades prevent you from getting into anyhow those commie scum – because they are all Marxist indoctrination centres, must be otherwise why can’t I understand any of the math, right?. Blame everyone else for my inability to prosper, especially blame the Democrats, everything at the root is their fault.

        Completely ignore reality get a sandwich board that says “The End is Near” PANIC running around in circles and endlessly repeat Libertarian, Fiat, 2nd Amendment, Save the constitution, God in religion, buy gold, Marxist, Socialist, Naxi, Hitler… and at every opportunity say Obama with one of the following – Socialist, Healthcare, Marxist, birth certificate, Harvard conspiracy, Columbia conspiracy, one world Order, Soro’s, Bilderburg conspiracy.

        Then wrap it all up with a massive dose of the USA has been in decline since the cival War, Lincoln bad, Fed bad, Income tax bad…Blah, Blah, Blah

        Sheeple you are PITIFUL, really Pitiful.

        • JeffH

          Is the truth so hard to accept? Apparently so!

          • Jana

            Sure just like in Arizona where they are rioting and throwing water bottles at the police, as well as pointing their fingers like they are guns at the police, as well as having a Swastika painted in beans on the sidewalk and even a sign on the sidewalk in paint saying burn this city down. These people are called “victims” by the lefty news media, but let the TEA Party people go out and gather and they are called a mob.
            The police have to go to the riots in Arizona and arrest and try to control, but no police have to control the TEA Parties.
            THIS IS A DOUBLE STANDARD by you Socialists.And, by the way, you talk like a Socialist, you walk the walk of a socialist, you are a socialist.
            You give the same old rhetoric time after time. But we are on to you now. We know your tactics. you must really be worried to try to use those BULLY tactics with us. It won’t work.

          • JeffH

            Jana, that’s all they have left anymore…it’s an uphill battle for sure.

        • Jeep

          What do you say when the thief is in your house? Do you show him the silverware and help him carry it out? Or, do you fight back?

          • Normal Guy

            Jeep

            What?

            Is this your rational for no real research – just repeating the weak minded mantra of the extreme right, media whore (see Fox programming), conspiracy theory crew?

            Wow you really are challenged when it comes to reality filters aren’t you. Apparently if you blindly accept the rhetoric then anything that opposes it must be attacked. Who cares what the facts are, all those guys are saying it so giddy up let’s chant with them. Fun stuff, maybe they will serve cookies.

            Good strategy for those with interests in destroying nations, check out a little European history, this strategy of propaganda towards the weak minded has been successful throughout history. Anger and rhetoric with a good scapegoat or two thrown in and extreme movements are off to the races. Here is an idea for you – Illegal aliens – might be a good starting point, who would stand up for any of them, sure blame them. Go Arizona, show me your papers, has a nice ring don’t you think?

            Attention all Sheep! Assemble in the square for today’s fear based anger induced, ignorance supported rally to destroy the foundations of the greatest nation the world has ever known. Today’s lesson everyone you don’t like is a Marxist, Socialist, Communist, Fascist, Nazi, Baby Killer and they are all probably conspiring with the anti-Christ. Lock and load, hoard gold and food hide in the basement and shoot anyone from the government. Praise Allah, opps I mean god, isn’t fundamentalism great?

          • Jeep

            Normal Guy you obviously have no understanding of metaphore. The TEA Party and resurging Conservative Movement in stems, in large part, from a general feeling that the federal govt has become intrusive. That problems this nation faces are not being addressed locally first.

            As for myself, I am very well aware of rhetoric that is being discharged by both left and right. However, I choose a very conservative leaning. I have just enough intelligence that I could easily scew any facts to show that either party is responsible for the ills currently facing our great nation.

            However, I think a great day in American politics is the day the govt goes on strike. What possible laws do we need to be passed today? My point is that libs are just as guilty of pulling the fire alarm. Your response indicates that you are just as quick to name call without facts and disparage anyone who disagrees with you. So welcome to fascism.

          • Normal Guy

            Jeep

            Hey good work getting back to the sheep points. You worked a little Fascism in there at the end that is worth bonus points at the next Tea Bagging sheep flocking.

            I am not promoting right, left, up, down, God, Satan, anything in any of my previous statements. All I am saying is people on this site should actually take a look at the stuff that you are saying, Especially the stuff that you are cutting and pasting. Most of it is unsubstantiated garbage.

            Here is a good example, contrary to your statement, I am not a Fascist, Marxist, Socialist Blah, Blah, Blah. I am, in fact, a successful, happy American with a number of business’ and a little over thirty regular employees. I work hard, pretty much seven days a week, travel all over the world, deal with politicians and business people all the time and look at the Tea Bagger movement as a simple aberration, an embarrassment for our country but just a momentary over swing of the pendulum. I am certainly for some social programs but I think governments need to be fiscally responsible.

            People outside the US, see the discussions on sites like this as ignorant, comical, childish, – the complete lack of understanding of the things that are discussed on this site is a sad statement about the level of the political discourse in this country. So like I keep saying, do a little research actually dig into both sides, the positions taken by most here are – PITIFUL.

          • Jeep

            Wow…how could I have missed it. I get it now. You don’t even read the posts of others, you just respond hysterically. This is quite apparent from your remarks. Your Alinsky tactics are very unappealing and mostly disgusting. You have learned rule number 1 very well! And, in case you missed it (well, you did miss it) aren’t you the one name calling? The left uses terms like “tea ba**er, sheeple, etc. In fact, why don’t you just read your own posts. It really puts your true feelings on display.

            And, I don’t believe for a minute that you “…work hard, pretty much seven days a week, travel all over the world, deal with politicians and business people all the time…” Darn it! There I go cutting and pasting garbage again!

            You call yourself Normal Guy? I don’t think so. You are too left leaning for the “norm” of America. So, go read up on Saul, or call the DNC and see if you can find a different tactic to throw at me. This one is getting old.

          • Normal Guy

            Jeep

            There you go again, I am not hysterical, I am fascinated in the blindness and the approach of the extremists on this thread, I don’t know anything about Alinsky other than the sheeple references so at some point I will read a bit should be interesting. I know that there is a link celebrated by you folks, to Obama, but I digress.

            Yes I am highlighting the ignorance that is so clearly on display on this thread, call it name calling if you want. To be clear my feelings are that the ignorance, the lack of critical thinking and the sheep like following of extreme right rhetoric on display on this thread, is dangerous. The anger the ridiculous and omnipresent use of Marxism, Nazism, conspiracy theories – the idea that it is a huge hundred year global conspiracy Blah, Blah, Blah. The blind fundamentalism in regard to these beliefs the fear regarding The Constitution, the anger regarding Religion and the ignorance regarding topics that people stand behind without ever doing any critical analysis. It fascinates me that you have nothing to say to me but to attack me on what you believe are my beliefs, you don’t know anything about me and you assume you know what you are talking about. Good propaganda tactic, who needs facts just make a statement and then proceed as though it is fact.

            In regard to what you believe or don’t believe about me I could care less. Life is good, I love running small business’ and could not be happier than to have been given the opportunities that I have had living in this great country.

            I regard to Normal American’s – the viewpoints expressed on this thread are a tiny fringe, It does worry me that some nut will take up your calling and do something awful, I think most of you are just cry babies but there are always some fringe lunatics, you people should tone it down and get involved with the system to change it.

          • Jeep

            NG you are truly an interesting character. You keep referring to “facts” as though either one of us has mentioned a “fact” throughout this little conversation. I looked and looked again, but could only find our opinions. And, I should also like to point out that (following the thread) you started this little conversation with a mild “attack” on me. Don’t get too riled up when I hit back. Personally I find this little verbal joust amusing. And, to be honest I don’t like to swing all that hard on a blog site anyway. It’s kind of cowardly not to come face to face with your opponent. However, I do find it instructive on occasion to read some of these posts, and enjoy throwing in the proverbial monkey wrench from time to time. I expect the odd comeback, and never take any of this to heart.

            But, if you are taking all this posting so seriously, then maybe you should take a break. Not one person here is ever going to suddenly change their beliefs, nor are we going to save the world by expressing opinions here.

          • Normal Guy

            Jeep

            I glad that you find me an interesting character.

            You will find if you actually look back that I used the word “facts” only once. What I have generally been referring to is the bizarre positions discussed on this site and the lack of research that people here do regarding their very strong and generally misinformed positions. This little exchange has been a commentary on my part on the ignorance of that position.

            So when you look at the first comment that I made to you, I was responding to your statement

            “What do you say when the thief is in your house? Do you show him the silverware and help him carry it out? Or, do you fight back?”

            Seems a bit melodramatic don’t you think, thieves, fighting back…? It also did not seem to have any relevance regarding my definition of “sheeple” which I think was quite humorous and pretty accurate at the same time. (This was really a response to JeffH using the term “sheeple” repeatedly) I thought a good definition was required. Jeep I’m not riled up at all and I find most of the posts on this site weak minded, some occasionally illuminating, but generally very narrow-minded and surprisingly herded into a fear based world of hate and conspiracy. So, when I come across some of the statements and links on this site – not just the exchange between you and me. I can almost always disprove them with just a few minutes of research, and the more I do that, the more surprised I am at the depth of the indoctrination in right wing rhetoric that people here exhibit and thus – sheeple – and thus my position that the people here should go do some real research rather than just accepting everything that reinforces your position and posting it for others to follow.

          • Jeep

            NG, first of all, statements usually end with a period. In my orginal comment, all sentences ended with a question mark. My point was, as I often do, to try and illustrate the absurd with the absurd. Did you not give “instructions” that were a little rhetorical, accusatory and exaggerated. So, sure, you could say my questions were a “little melodramatic”. And? Don’t you think using terms like “media whores”, “conspiracy theory crew”, “weak minded” and “show me your papers”, etc. could be considered a little over the top?

            And, as for the fascist thing, I very much believed that you were accusing me of labeling liberals. Since you are so big into research, look up Alinski’s rules. You will find that a major strategy is to accuse the other side of exactly what you are doing. So, taking into account that my rhetorical questions led you to accuse me of calling names, I simply inferred that your tactics were facist in nature.

            However, your point that not everthing was directly intended for me is well taken. I do take a differing view of some of these posts. Mostly, I just ignore (and, rarely read) posts that start with “well, the illuminti…”, etc. And, I have to admit that I rarely check on “facts” that others post, either. With that admission, I will not post, or repeat anything that I have not checked personally. The problem is that most google searches will take you to where a comment or “fact” originated, not the source. Some people cannot distinguish between a fact and what a commentator said about a fact. In the end, we are all limited to expressing ourselves here in short “sound bites” that inevitably will come off as talking points. I would only say that you’re statement of not going “promoting right, left, up, down, God, Satan, anything…”, is a little incongruous with the rest of your comments.

          • Normal Guy

            Jeep

            Thanks for the exchange. I really enjoyed your last statement. Yes I would certainly agree that my statements are a bit over the top as well. “conspiracy theory crew”, “weak minded” and “show me your papers” are, unfortunately quite accurate in regard to many opinions on this site and in regard to Arizona’s Illegal’s solution.

            I really am just reflecting what I generally see on this site and I do enjoy drawing a little fire. Like I said most of the opinions that I come across here are irrational and quotes supporting the viewpoints are poorly verified. I have no issues with someone who disagrees with me; my problem is extreme positions held with little or no verification.

            I am, without question, open to effective social programs, I think that for anyone interested I can make a good argument as to how establishing a social floor that is higher in a society (access to healthcare, access to higher education, family support so that children are able to escape from the poverty they were born into etc.)Will improve the lives not only of those at the bottom but at every level,(less crime, more productive workforce, lower welfare load, etc). On the other hand I am in business and I want a federal government that is fiscally responsible, The USA has not been since Reagan’s trickle down disaster got started.

            For example the Canadian economic condition is currently far superior to ours they had over a decade of paying down their debt and have already emerged from this recession and are looking at reasonable growth (3% plus). They also had huge deficits this last couple of years but are in a position to start paying it down in the next couple of years. All this with a much stronger social safety net, so the US is more than capable of a more civil society.

            Discussion with you has been interesting. I will read some of Alinski, people are talking about him so I would like to know more. I did do some research on the association with Obama and the connection is dubious at best. The work Obama was doing in Chicago, on the south side brought him into contact with many that held extreme viewpoints, the politics of the extreme poor tend to be somewhat skewed. A good example of this is the Senator that previously help Obama’s seat, Alice Palmer, she was hard core left wing she had strong associations with Alinski and many others, when she decided to give up her seat she introduced Obama as her successor at Alinski’s home, all the other associations are at a political level within the south Chicago community. This does not mean that he shares their viewpoints or opinions, Obama has denounced Alinski’s tactics. I see no evidence that there is a strong association, if it were there Obama’s opponents would certainly have publicised it.

          • Jeep

            NG, I know that it is probably time to move on, but in case you stopped by again I wanted to ditto your comments on how fun and enlightening this has been. I am glad to see that the tone of our conversation has diminished to the point of civility. Now if we could only get our politicians to do the same…

            Anyway, I look forward to more verbal bantering.

        • andrew forrer

          to partly parphrase tommy lee jones on men in black “liberals,my what a gullible breed” remember november.

        • Joe

          Yeah, that damn Lincoln, he was a Republican too you know?

          http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

        • Darrel

          It’s clear you have absolutely no knowledge of the Canadian system as you promote it as “superior”. I bet you even think the health care system there is better too, right? You assignment was to attempt to disrupt this site. But it is not working and won’t work. You will be ignored as insignificant. We have the common sense to know better than to listen to your liberal spew. And come November, we’ll rid ourselves of the cancer in Congress. 27 months to remove the cancer in the White House. So why don’t you go try to bother someone else?

    • Jeep

      Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong. They claim that culture is created by collective national society and its state, that cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus rejects individualism.

      Conservatism is a political and social philosophy that says that traditional institutions work best and society should avoid radical change. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others oppose modernism and seek a return to the way things were.

      Get it right. Or, is it too much for you to comprehend?

  • American liberal

    The global opinion of America has gone up…. That’s gotta hurt you anti American, goverment hating Tea baggers….I think I should just start refering to you as republicans, because that’s all you are… Rightwing republican oddballs..

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      How many people who agree with the common sense of the Tea Party do you personally know? None I would bet. Haven’t you read the polls? More people every day are getting involved in the political proccess to prevent the destruction of the United States Constitution. They don’t hate the govenment, They are simply fulfilling their duty. A Govenment of the People, by the People etc. Get it?

    • Jeep

      Are you so sure about the global opinion? Maybe in Venezuala. But, try to read a British or German paper once in a while. The Brits are very wary, and the Germans think we are a joke. Of course, France has never liked us…

      • BigBadJohn

        From the Guardian, a British newspaper -

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/11/us-right-republicans-obama-fraternity

        The Republicans are like frat boys in Animal House

        • http://?? Joe H.

          BBJ,
          This from a country that has “stacking” The practice of keeping patients in the ambulance till they are ready to see them so they can report “short” waiting times in the ER. This from the same country that gives their geriactric patients pain meds to the point that there is no noticable improvement in their condition so they can leave them to DIE!!! This was reported by a couple of nurses that couldn’t take it any longer! they were fired AFTER they came out so don’t start the disgruntled employee rant!!

          • Jana

            JoeH,
            And the Guardian is a very leftist Socialist newspaper anyway. I take whatever it says with a grain of salt.

        • Jeep

          Why so partisan BBJ? We turned our backs on our allies…at this point it’s not a Dem or Rep thing. But, you got to ask yourself, when you pass a bill into law and your traditional allies are questioning it, but you’re getting praise from Castro and Chavez, well…And, when your closest ally is having another tiff over the Falklands, and you side with…well, not your ally…hmmm

      • Joe

        Now that might be true lately, but the French if you remember gave us the Statue of Liberty and they were also our allie in the American Revolution. We used their navy against the English because we didn’t have one yet. They don’t like us now because we are not same people we were 200 years ago. They used to admire us.

        • libertytrain

          Joe – I don’t think they are the same people either as they were 200 years ago.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      The only place where the global opinion of America has gone up is with the billion or so of muslims who see Obama as one of their own, and he acts it too. The rest of the world’s opinion of us have gone down because of the trillions of debt Obama has mounted on our backs and his constant criticism of our allies such as Great Britain and Israel. FACTS!

    • andrew forrer

      its you who need a reality check,am lib,its liberalism that is anti-government,we know government works for the majority ,not the minority,wake up before its too late.

    • Elray

      You LIBERALS.
      Who is the Party of the LIBERALS?–The Democrat Party

      Which main stream media source is balanced?–NONE– I challenge you to name one!
      Which party has allowed the reported unemployment rate to be at almost 10%?–The Democrat Party
      Which party has tripled the deficit in 1 year and is afraid to pass a budget this year because they don’t want to show their never ending deficit,country-bankrupting spending policies?–The Democrat Party
      Whose Party has supporters who throw rocks and bottles at the police and breaks SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS STOREFRONT WINDOWS, and bites the fingers off of opponents to their views, and throws eggs at buses and beats up black Americans handing out fliers and sets cars on fire and supports criminals, terrorists–The Democrat Party
      Whose supporters stand in front of voting polls with clubs intimidating people and have hundreds charged with voter registration fraud?–The Democrat Party
      Which party just ended the sunset clause on the Patriot Act?–The Democrat party.
      Which party has a leader who has now allowed 4 terror acts to either be attempted or carried out in the 1-1/2 years since he was elected after 7-1/2 yrs without one?–The Democrat Party
      Which party is trying to control the internet and free speech on radio?-the Democrat Party
      Which Party has had control of Congress for almost 40 of the past 50 years and has only balanced the budget ONCE (1969)?–The Democrat Party
      Which party runs the Finance comittees in the House and Senate and was overseeing Fannie and Freddie and did nothing to stop the toxic lending?–The Democrat party
      Which party has 60% control in GM and Chrysler, has taken over half of the banks, has passed a health care takeover?–The Democrat Party
      Which party is trying to pass a CAP and Tax, a VAT, refuses to help protect the borders?–The Democrat Party
      Which party had 60 million dollars donated to them from unions and then has passes legislation and rams through appointments to aid the unions?–The Democrat Party
      Which party gets the most donations from Wall Street?–The Democrat Party
      Which party received the most donations from BP?–The Democrat Party
      Which Party is going to approve that we pay 17% of the money going to Greece to bail out their UNION government employees?–The Democrat Party
      Do I need to go on and on and on? So all of you can just keep quiet about all of it because you have no credibility and no solutions.

    • http://z4.invisionfree.com/NevadaUSA/index.php? AndieJ

      You should have said the ME Muslim and the Muslim sanctuary countries, (France as an example)are the countries who’s opinion of the USA has elevated.

      Who cares! Obama..You?

      Those countries take money from the USA, yet would kill us in a heart beat.

      Obama is setting America up for an attack by terrorists, just look around at what is happening all over America..Bombs, shootings, trying to blow up planes and nothing happens to them other then, getting civil rights designated for Americans ONLY..

  • Dave

    American Liberal must have emotiomal problems. He drastically is holding to the unwarranted belief that the unions are for the working man anf the Democrats are for the unions. Both are out for themselves and simply work together to that end. Busoness people do that all the time and the unions and dems call it conspiracy.

    • skipfoss

      AMLIB,beleives in Ovomits redistribution of wealth policy because he gets to set on his liberal ass and be paid from someone elses labor,had Johnson and his great society had been stoped and his allowing the gov to use funds from Social security we would not have a system out of money that was set aside to not be used for anything but SS but the dems and Repubs got hold of it and had a feild day paying for every bill and give away program that came down the pike.The SS tax should be put back as it was and all of the IOU’s paid up and never used for anything but SS. Welfare sould be totaly done away with and go back to if you don’t work you don’t eat . As far as the respect of the Us raising since Ovomit took office that is a big pile of BS ,now they know that the US is weak and will alow Islamist to take over since we have a Muslim Communist Pres they never respected us they FEARED us but not now,your appologetic president has given them all the go ahead to do what they want because this weak need joke will run fom a fight

  • http://gmail i41

    Since Dimwitt Gore is now plan to tale his millions to brainwash the presckool kids to by intp the green gobal warming bull and climate change. Parents and taxpayers, all should wake up. For all the libs that try to learn something and become educated on real facts, not garbage coming out of our schools and theory colleges. Am Lib and you other green weines look up the Stansbury Report on Oil in the Rocky Mts.. In just Utah and Colorado, we have more oil at a 1000ft. down than all of middle east. Or check out USGS report on Williston Basin we have more oil there to last for over 200 years. But since Omoron and Dimwit Gore beleive manufactured facts instead of reaility. Of course most liberal socialist live off of the taxpayers instead of contributing. Let go of the tree branch and get on the ground and get a job!

    • kate8

      Communists have always known that they have to indoctrinate children at the earliest possible age to get them to accept such ideas. That’s why it takes 2 or three generations for them to turn out enough AmLibs to reach their goals of domination and oppression.

  • American liberal

    Just saw a new story on how Wallstreet celebrated and cheered while the housing market collapsed and they sent emails back and forth about how much money they were making on foreclosers… These are the same rich Top 2% that you keep defending……. Who needs enemys when we have republicans..

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      You are the enemy of all freedom loving people.

    • skipfoss

      AMLIB You had better look at your facts agian it was not the Rebub totally Barney Franks and his boy freind and god ole boy Dodd got their fair share of the spoils as well as being a major cause of the problem by forcing banks to loan money to people that they knew could not afford to even make A payment. Ovomit traind outfits like ACORN went in and phsycaly threatened banks if they did not loan to these welfare slugs and unoins like SAEIU also Ovomit trained threatened banks and people that worked there if loans were not made

      • ron

        didnt know this was a teabagger blog signing off poor deluted people,lety the 2% keep telling you everything is r=the demos fault,and we wonder why this country is such a mess six years repubs complete control

    • andrew forrer

      who needs comedians when we have you and your foolish views.

    • Joe

      Dems and Repubs are the same. They are chosen by that rich upper 2%, not by us. Obama is one of those 2% now. Do you really think he gives a damn about you. Who do you think paid for his campaign? Do you really think that $5 donation did a thing. It was the millions of dollars of the rich that paid for the campaigns. The rich don’t care who is in office, the rich elite run the global economy. Obama and Congress are just puppets. We are just watching a puppet show. They control the drama.

    • Elray

      Ya they were laughing because the gave Obama 900,000 dollars and 4.5 million overall to the Democrat Party who were running the banking committes and oversights in Congress—see comments directed to you above you illinformed kool-aid mainliner.

  • http://www.lesliecarbone.blogspot.com Leslie Carbone

    Thanks for the mentions! I’m glad you found my book helpful.

  • BigBadJohn

    The basis of this article rings true, give away programs have trapped the poor in the ghetto’s. I sold Real estate in Detroit in the 70′s, we sold to primarily welfare and ADC mothers. This convinced me that welfare programs do not work. As it mentioned many mothers are third and fourth generation welfare mothers. The only way they could afford to buy a house was if they had 9 or more kids – the system was paying them to stay home, stay single and have babies!

    Unions – if not for unions, no workers in the country would have vacations, retirement programs or health insurance. Companies saw this as unnecessary expense and the only reason they started to supply them, was threat of organization! Have unions grown too powerful? In the 70′s and 80′s yes they were too powerful. But under the constant attack of republicans they have lost a LOT of power since the 80′s.

    Republicans are, have been and always will be – cheap labor conservatives.
    Here is a catalogue of some of the major issues on the national agenda. In every single one of them, the conservative position advances the cause of “cheap labor”. I defy any conservative reading this to show me one single conservative position, belief, principle or policy that has any tendency to boost the earning power of labor.
    1. DUBYA’S TAX CUTS AND RESULTING BUDGET DEFICITS
    Twenty years ago, cheap-labor conservatives claimed that tax cuts would stimulate the economy, and lead to balanced budgets. They don’t even bother spouting that crap any more. Now they say that deficits “aren’t so bad”, they don’t drive up interest rates, and they don’t create inflationary pressure.
    Here’s the real skinny. The purpose behind tax cuts and budget deficits is to bankrupt the government.
    Conservatives hate “social spending”. That’s what they mean by “big government”. They want you naked in as harsh an economic environment as they can create. But here’s the problem. Most ordinary people aren’t so ruthless. Most people think life is for living, not working your ass off until you drop. So if we the people can provide some basic social infrastructure for things like a basic retirement, assistance for higher education, unemployment compensation to get you through those Republican periods of high unemployment – well, most people support all of that stuff. Conservatives lose elections when they talk about undoing it.
    2. OPPOSITION TO EVERY IMPROVEMENT IN WAGES AND WORKING CONDITIONS IN US HISTORY
    This is obviously directly related to “cheap labor” and doesn’t require much further explanation. In fact, the heading serves as the “One Sentence Response” – and I would stress the “every improvement in US history”, all the way back to abolition of slavery, and such obvious reforms as child labor laws. Cheap-labor conservatives have never been the friend of working Americans. Ever.
    3. OPPOSITION TO ANY SORT OF NATIONAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEM
    Health care costs are outrageously expensive, and threaten people with financial ruin. Also, health insurance is primarily provided by employers through “group plans”. So if you lose your job, you lose your health coverage. This is not quite as a big a problem, since the passage of COBRA – which was opposed by guess who? That’s right, the cheap-labor conservatives.
    In short, national health insurance would provide a huge measure of security for working Americans from potential financial catastrophe – which catastrophe is therefore no longer a force keeping you suitably intimidated by your employer.
    4. SCHOOL VOUCHERS, OPPOSITION TO THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, OPPOSITION TO LOCAL BOND ISSUES, ETC.
    Way back in the late nineteenth century – where the cheap-labor conservatives are trying to take us – conservatives opposed universal public education. You can go to “Freeper” right now and find cheap-labor conservatives who still oppose it. And the reason is simple. Ignorant and illiterate people have fewer options in life, making them fit subjects for “industrial serfdom”.
    5. “LAW” AND “ORDER”
    According to cheap-labor conservatives, the only legitimate function of government is to protect the fortunes and privilege of the “haves”. Economic progress like “full employment”, living wages, and first rate education system, all improve the living standards and prospects of the “working poor” – and the “cheap-labor conservatives” can’t have that, can they. So that leaves prison as the only “social program” the conservatives support. They say we “throw money at every problem”. Well “cheap-labor conservatives” throw prison at every problem.
    6. “FAMILY VALUES” AND THE “CULTURE WAR”
    They say they are defending American “culture” – but that “culture” is the culture of the corporate “middle class”. It features conformity, hierarchy, “respect for authority”, regimentation and other “values” of the industrial work place. In fact, America was founded by a group of decidedly undisciplined nonconformists. But that won’t do at all, if you want a docile workforce who will work cheap.
    7. RACISM AND OTHER FORMS OF BIGOTRY
    This one is amazingly easy to understand. Dividing working people against each other along racial, gender and ethnic lines keeps them from uniting along class lines. Consider the following example. In 1990, the nation was suffering under yet another period of Republican high unemployment. That was the year that Jesse Helms ran his famous “angry hands” commercial against Harvey Gantt, former African-American mayor of Charlotte. “You needed that job, but they had to give it to a minority.”
    This gambit is 150 years old. The cheap-labor conservatives produce a high deficit, high interest rate, “structurally sluggish” economy – then tell struggling white wage-earners that the “problem” is “unqualified minorities”. It was classic “scapegoating”, when the real culprits were the cheap-labor conservatives who liked that sluggish economy.
    And in case you doubt whether they liked the sluggish economy, consider the eight year tantrum they threw as President Clinton undid the deficits, brought interest rates down, and fueled an eight year economic boom, bringing unemployment to a 30 year low. Naturally, throwing a wrench into that economy was the first order of business after Dubya’s inauguration.
    8. “RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.”
    Since prison and punishment are generally ineffective to reduce crime, and since the “cheap-labor conservatives” will hear of no economic improvements that are effective, “self defense” is about your only protection from crime. Instead of better schools, full employment and other improvements in social conditions, the cheap-labor conservative solution is “buy a gun”.
    9. THE “WAR ON DRUGS”
    Maybe you don’t see the cheap-labor connection. It’s there. The “libertarian” position on this is that what you choose to voluntarily ingest, is your business. And of course, marijuana isn’t nearly as bad for you as say, alcohol abuse. But cheap-labor conservatives don’t give a rat’s ass about you’re health, anyway.
    What they do care about is delegitimizing the “counter-culture”. If they could do it, they would outlaw deviations from the conformist culture of the “corporate middle class”. They can’t do that directly, so they have come with a “back door” method. They find cultural practices – like smoking a joint – and punish those. Today, they deny education benefits if you have any drug conviction – even for simple possession. They have also encouraged this “privatized” harassment of corporate workers through drug screening, etc. in an effort to economically marginalize the “counter culture”. It is really an exquisitely efficient means to keep the industrial work force intimidated.
    10. “PRO OIL” ENERGY POLICIES
    Answer this question, why don’t we have efficient cost effective renewable energy systems? Why didn’t we follow Jimmy Carter’s advice in 1979, and undertake the “moral equivalent of war” for energy independence. The technology has been around for decades. In the case of hydrogen fuel cells, the first one was invented in 1843 – that’s “eighteen forty three”.
    Energy is like labor in its central importance to the economy. But while conservatives want “cheap labor” they want “expensive energy” – in sources they can monopolize and control. Unfortunately, sunlight is like air. It’s kind of hard to “corner the market” on it. Meanwhile, the biggest beneficiary of “cheap energy” is the work force – who pay a larger portion of their income for energy. Well, we can’t have that. Lowering a wage earner’s “balance of payments” is just like giving him a raise. The same logic, by the way, motivates a “high interest rate” environment.
    Now you know why conservatives bad mouth “renewable energy”, and claim that the government “has no business” subsidizing R&D into this technology – as if the government hasn’t subsidized R&D into virtually every piece of high tech gadgetry in your house. Meanwhile, there is one form of “alternative energy” they like. Nuclear power. Why? Because nuclear power is horrendously expensive, and can be monopolized by the huge corporations selling it.
    Meanwhile, they support destruction of pristine habitats like the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and unlawful invasions of sovereign nations – sitting on a “sea of oil” to use the words of Paul Wolfowitz. All of which proves that the cheap-labor conservatives will do anything – and I mean anything – to prevent any improvement in the wage earner’s economic circumstances, including making sure he doesn’t have access to “cheap energy”.
    11. THE INVASION OF IRAQ AND THE “BUSH DOCTRINE”
    Perhaps, you thought this should be first – since it is highest on the national agenda right at the moment. Actually, the War in Iraq is an aggregate application of a number of simpler “cheap-labor” policies. First of all, Republican “demonization” notwithstanding, Saddam Hussein was a “target of opportunity”. Paul Wolfowitz said so. Saddam sat atop a really odious regime, in a country sitting atop a “sea of oil” – to again quote Paul Wolfowitz. As for global opposition to the US invasion, that was not an “unforeseen complication”. It was another ”opportunity”. In fact, one of the objectives was to demonstrate to the world that the US can do whatever it wants.
    But what about the “cheap-labor” angle, you ask. The invasion of Iraq is the first step in establishing a US led global corporate empire, with a wealthy corporate elite living off of a global pool of “cheap labor”.
    Don’t’ believe it? Go to whitehouse.gov and look at the National Security Strategy of the United States. This remarkable document lays out the “cheap-labor” foreign policy of the United States. In addition to the doctrine of “pre-emption – which is nothing new, we’ve been doing it for fifty years – there is the general strategy of “forward deployment” of US forces in the middle east and east Asia, along with the express goal of “discouraging” the emergence of a military rival.
    But the National Security Strategy doesn’t stop there. It goes on to discuss which internal policies of other nations the US will “encourage”. Guess what those policies are? The very same policies they are promoting here, including “free trade”, “flattening” tax rates, shifting taxes away from passive investments, reducing the “public sector”, and generally paving the way for corporations to dominate other societies.
    The US military will be the “police force” for this global “corporate order”, and Iraq is nothing more than the start of establishing the “military pre-eminance” of that “global police force”. Notice that the neocons are specifically intent on destabilizing international organizations that don’t promote corporate dominance. The conservatives don’t like the World Court, the United Nations or similar organizations. But GATT, the IMF and the World Bank don’t bother them a bit – since those organizations undermine the ability of third world nations to establish anything like our “New Deal mixed economy”. And don’t forget, the cheap-labor conservatives are busy destabilizing our own “New Deal mixed economy”, in favor of an economy that strongly resembles present conditions in say, Argentina.
    In short, the invasion of Iraq has nothing to do with any “threat” of weapons of mass destruction. Neither do the cheap-labor conservatives really care about a “dictatorial regime” – since they prop plenty of them up, and even supported Saddam Hussein in years gone by. The real purpose of the invasion of Iraq is to provide a demonstration of American military “pre-eminance” – which will ultimately translate into global corporate “pre-eminance”. If you want another word for this “cheap-labor” foreign policy, try “corporate feudalism”.
    These aren’t the only examples of “cheap-labor conservative” policies and positions. While I will be supplementing and expanding this list from time to time, you should be getting the idea. Anytime a cheap-labor conservative takes a position on anything at all, take a look at the details. See if somewhere in those details there isn’t some way the wage-earner loses out. I have not yet failed to find the connection. Either the conservative position undermines the bargaining power of the wage earner, limits his economic options, harasses the wage earner in some way, raises his cost of living, increases his economic vulnerability or accomplishes some combination of the above.

    • Dave

      BBJ your in lala land! Saddam Hussein threatened to use terrorist attacks inside this country between 9/11 and the start of hoistilities. That is a fact not the jargoned up hate speech coming from your liberal play book.

      • BigBadJohn

        Dave this is good – please supply me with links to your “PROOF” that Saddam was planning terrorists attacks….

        http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/581

        Addressing the Saban Forum on December 5, President George W. Bush stated: “It is true, as I’ve said many times, that Saddam Hussein was not connected to the 9/11 attacks.”

        Really? Well, Bush has acknowledged in the past that Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11. For example, in response to a question on September 17, 2003, Bush stated: “We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th [attacks].”

        But how frequently did Bush make this acknowledgement? Not often, at least not publlcly. Instead, he repeatedly (and much more memorably) juxtaposed references to the 9/11 terror attacks to those of Saddam Hussein, thereby helping to create the false impression that Saddam Hussein was connected to 9/11.

        • JeffH

          I don’t see that Saddam was mentioned as a 9/11 attacker or that he was involved yet you have chosen to twist your answer to indicate that was what Dave said.

          Saddam Hussein: In His Own Words
          Quotes from Saddam and Iraq’s regime-controlled media October 18, 2002
          For years, Saddam Hussein and his regime have used state-controlled media in Iraq to spread lies, and threaten his neighbors and the world. Below is a sampling of quotes from Saddam and the Iraqi media — keyed to significant events — showing a pattern of threats stretching back more than a decade.

          http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/iraq/sadquots.htm

          • BigBadJohn

            Jeff here is what Dave said “Saddam Hussein threatened to use terrorist attacks inside this country between 9/11 and the start of hoistilities.”

            I would like to see some proof of this statement.
            Your link supplies quotes from Iraq like, “good – they got what they deserve” – there is a huge difference between talk and threats.

          • JeffH

            Implied threats provide an insight to Saddam’s thought process…

            The Attacks of September 11
            “If the attacks of September 11 cost the lives of 3,000 civilians, how much will the size of losses in 50 states within 100 cities if it were attacked in the same way in which New York and Washington were? What would happen if hundreds of planes attacked American cities?”
            Al-Rafidayn, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled newspaper)

            “[I]t is possible to turn to biological attack, where a small can, not bigger than the size of a hand, can be used to release viruses that affect everything…”
            Babil, September 20, 2001 (State-controlled newspaper)

            “The United States must get a taste of its own poison…”
            Babil, October 8, 2001

            U.S.S. Cole Bombing, October 12, 2000
            “[Iraqis] should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means…”
            Iraq TV, October 22, 2000 (State-controlled)

          • JeffH

            I’ll add that I’m sure both of us know that Saddam Hussein reign in Iraq was promoted by the US and that you reap what you sow.
            Hussein, to a degree, chose his words carefully at times because he knew the US could just as easily destroy the man they helped create.
            The implications were always there, just need to be able to read between the lines. It’s called “double speak”, we here it in Washington every day.

        • JeffH

          Although the Saddam implications to make attacks on the US, home and abroad are there, I fully agree with you that I can’t locate any information on Hussein speaking directly about an attacks by his regime on US soil…I acknowledge your comment is correct, my apologies for that.
          Saddam certainly supported and promoted terrorism on the US.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            BBJ,
            Your post about being denied education benefits is a lie as well. I have a friend going to Lakeland Community college on government funds and he has a possesion conviction on his record! There is also, by the way, a child molester goingt there as well!!

        • Jana

          JoeH,
          In almost every post that Big Bad writes he brags on himself. Everytime I have ever had discourse with someone that HAD the need to brag on their accomplishments, they really didn’t have any accomplishments in real life, just in their mind.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      We have went from multi-millions of lower paying jobs to just thousnads of higher paying jobs, I guess you position holds up well, for those who still have jobs. Keep up the good work!

      • BigBadJohn

        Randy even those “good paying” jobs are disappearing. I have been in the computer field for 30 years. My last job as a “high paid computer professional”, I was engineering support for a networking company. I was laid off, to take another job in the same field, I would have to take a 50% pay cut.

        By giving tax break to outsource employees and at the same time, not enforcing laws that say American companies must at least try to hire Americans first, the work force has been decimated. In my last job, for a team of 13 people, we had 10 nationalities represented. Those jobs could have been filled with Americans – but foreigners work cheaper.

        Engineering and radical new ideas is what made America great. We have lost that greatness if all engineering comes from India or China. Companies and the last twelve years of politics, have sold Americas future to the lowest bidder.

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

          I was bing sarcastic, but you are right. This out-sourcing began a lot longer ago than what you think, and it began in the indusrial section of our economy, not the service section. The reasons for it are simple, but the liberal part of our society doesn’t like to admit it. Today all economies are global based, like it or not, and our work force must learn to compete in it. This has been made harder to do today because of the greed in the past, and not from the American companies who are also trying to compete in this global economy. If you go to the top of this blog section and read what I said to ‘American Liberal’ in response to his blog, you will see what I’m talking about. If you give what I said some deep thought and investigate for yourself, you might change some of your liberal idealism as the truth and facts dictate. But whatever, I wish you well and may GOD bless you. If you truly want to investigate the cause for all our sorrows in todays society, I suggest you go to ‘World Net Daily’, to its store section and order a book they have on sale right now titled ‘The 5000 Year Leap: A Miracle That Changed the World’, W. Cleon Skousen author. This is the most patriotic book that I have ever read and will explain to you why we are in the terrible situation we are, and how to get out of it. Please do this so you will be well informed, and good luck.

          • BigBadJohn

            Randy I do not have “liberal idealism” I have conservative disdain.
            I was and primarily voted conservative – until GWB. When he lied us into two wars and spent more than all previous presidents combined, I started to question everything any conservative says.

            Unions got too powerful, but the main reason American auto companies labor costs are so high, is because Reagan allowed companies to raid pension plans. Once upon a time, auto companies had enough cash set aside to pay pensions for their workers. But since that money is now gone, it is built into the current cost of labor. Approximately half of the cost of today auto labor is pension money for past workers. If they go broke – guess who pays those pensions – the American tax payer!

            There are two ways to look at outsourcing, one is as you said, it is a world economy so we need to compete. The other is simple national security. Karl Marx was right when he contested that the west would sell the communists anything they needed to defeat the west.

            “Outsourcing is rapidly eroding America’s superpower status. Beginning in 2002 the US began running trade deficits in advanced technology products with Asia, Mexico and Ireland. As these countries are not leaders in advanced technology, the deficits obviously stem from US offshore manufacturing. In effect, the US is giving away its technology, which is rapidly being captured, while US firms reduce themselves to a brand name with a sales force.”

            Yes outsourcing started a log time ago in manufacturing, as a kid I remember everyone bad mouthing “cheap Japanese junk”. But when it comes to selling out our engineering structure that is tantamount to selling out Americas edge on the world.

            While Bush was president there was even a big political debate because Bush was going to outsource a top secret submarine communication network to India! I maybe simple minded, but to me national security trumps or at least should, trump cheap labor.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

            John, it was Lenin, not karl Marx that made that quote you used. And George Bush didn’t lie to the American public but informed us what our own intelligence agencies was telling him and what the intelligence agencies around the world were also saying to their leaders, like England, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Russia, and etc.
            The lieing statement was a propaganda ploy by the liberals to defeat the conservatives in Bush’s second mid-term election, and it worked perfectly, for no would believe that the intelligence agancies told him that even after they kept owning up to it. Seemed people were suffering from paranoi and wanted to believe that Bush was making them say that. Its funny how nobody in a liberal administration can tell a lie, and nobody in a conservative administration can tell the truth. And I guess that includes the leader of those administrations. I’m sorry but I don’t know the facts about any union retirement accounts being raided by the automobile companies, but if they were it sounds to me like they learned that from the liberal contoled ‘Congresses’ on what they’ve been doing to ‘Social Security’. This last month was the first time in our history that the ‘Social Security’ system had to pay out more than it received. This wasn’t anticipated to happen until 2016, but because of the economy it arrived early. And even though the liberal controled
            ‘Congress’ gave itself a cost of living raise, it denied one for the ‘Social Security” recipients, also a first in our history. Please find and read that book I told you about and then tell me which of us is more right in our opinions. Good luck!

          • BigBadJohn

            Randy, I’ll read your book but don’t be surprised if I get something completely different from it.

            Bush’s lies yes I consider manipulating evidence as lying:
            February 7, 2001: Tenet Testifies that CIA Has No Evidence of Any Iraqi WMD Program
            February 12, 2001: Rumsfeld Says Iraq Probably Not Nuclear Threat
            February 24, 2001: Powell Says Iraq Poses No Threat
            July 2001: Rice Says Iraq Not a Serious Military Threat

            But all of a sudden the rhetoric changes:

            Mid-September-October 2001: Neoconservatives Attempt to Link Iraqi Government to 9/11 and Anthrax Attacks
            September 30, 2001: Four Prominent Republicans Make Alarming Comments about Terrorists and WMDs

            The fact is that Bush fired anyone with a different opinion. Bush shopped his intelligence, so he could build a case to invade Iraq. In spite of:

            November 14, 2001: State Department Intelligence Bureau: No Evidence Iraq Has Nuclear Weapons Program
            2002: Senior CIA Operative Instructed by CIA Managers to Falsify His Findings
            2002: CIA Intelligence Gathering Operation Indicates That Iraq Has No Weapons of Mass Destruction
            2002-2003: Bush Administration Makes Numerous Claims of Iraqi WMDs, Fails to Offer Evidence
            2002-March 2003: CIA Analysts Know that Iraq Has no WMD nor Ties to Al-Qaeda; CIA ‘Serving the Agenda’ of Bush Administration

            Then this:

            January 30, 2002: CIA Report Suggests Iraq May Be Trying to Reconstitute its Nuclear Weapons Program
            February 2002: BUSH ORDERS CIA TO FIND EVIDENCE of Iraqi WMDs
            May 2002-September 2002: Top Iraqi Scientist Tells CIA Informant That Iraq’s Nuclear Program Ended in 1991
            Early Summer 2002: Condoleezza Rice Learns that Energy Department Scientists Disagree with CIA Opinion on Aluminum Tubes

            What the British and the world think:

            2002 and after: British Foreign Office Believes US Allegations Are ‘Totally Implausible’
            Mid-January 2002: UN Inspectors Find No Evidence of Iraqi WMD
            Mid-January 2002: UN Finds Iraqis Cooperating with Weapons Inspections
            March 22, 2002: British Official Says in Memo that Washington Has Little Evidence To Support Allegations against Iraq

            http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&general_topic_areas=wmd

          • http://?? Joe H.

            BBJ,
            your post about there being 10 different nationalities is just more reason to support the new law in Arizona! Get the illegals out of our country!! That includes euros, mexicans, middle easterners, ALL OF THEM!!!!

          • BigBadJohn

            Joe – re:”ten nationalities” – at least we agree on this……
            My major concern is rounding them up and sticking them in camps, that is how Hitler solved his problems…..

    • Hugh Jordin

      An interesting compilation of ideas for contemplation… I hope some contributors to this site have minds open enough to see the truths here. Sadly, so many have Taliban-like closed mindedness and inflexibility toward any idea that threatens the illusions they have created for themselves and reinforce in others.

    • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

      I’d love to argue with you point for point because just a quick look scrolling thru your posts, I noticed a lot of inconsistencies. But since I have a JOB and I have to earn my wage I don’t have time. But it does look as if you don’t have a job so maybe your getting “gubment” hand outs. Could be why you like Obamination so much. You don’t want to make him mad and take away your cheese!!!!

      • http://aol Don

        A dem no more: referring to: “don’t have a job” Are you referring to JeffH or DaveH, because they write from 6:00 AM to 9:00 PM most Mon. and Thur. Unless Bob pays them?

        • DaveH

          Unlike those who attend their Government jobs daily so they can harass the producers.

        • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

          iF YOU LOOK CLOSELY MY REPLY WAS UNDER BBJ’S POST

  • American liberal

    Dave…. If the Massey mines had unions their wouldn’t be 29 dead miners today… But you don’t care about mine workers safety while the company can make huge profits… Right?

    • Dave

      So having union labor would provide different fedral regulations? Or would the support beams be made of different material? Just how would union labor have prevented it? Please teach us oh great liberal we are the uneducated that work daily and don’t have time for your fast educational opportunitees.

    • Barb

      Get your facts straight, the union forced their workers back in even though the owners kicked them out. The union fought it and won. So why didn’t the union protect their people if they are soooo into safety, HMMMMM?????? Check it out Amlib and get your facts straight before you start accusing again! I for one blame the union for the explosion and 29 deaths!

    • coal miner

      American Liberal,

      Don’t listen to these morons.You are right,I work forty some years in the mines and belong to the united mine workers.Not one time we were seriously hurt or killed.The unionized mines are the safest,healthiest places you can work at and we out produce every scab mines in the county.There where three mining companies that out produce us,they were all unionized.Due to a clean,safety environment,I never developed black lung.You can’t say that about scab mines.You go in these rat holes at your own risk.All power to the unions.Lets make nightcrawling scabs an extinct species,who needs them.

  • Ron

    To all the liberals. Look at the founding fathers of our country and you will not the Democratic Party was against everything that had “freedom” written on it. Slavery would still be here if left to the Dems. Research David Barton’s take on this. He is a Historical research guy that takes you back to the Constitution Document that all can live freely under the provisions thereof. It was the Dems that wanted to keep the black in slavery, and today, through the social programs aimed especially for them, they cling to the liberal party as if it was their Messiah. So much for the black president who is now creating a senerio that will eventually put them back into bondage along with every free thinking citizen in the USA. The next thing to take over will be how and who we worship. Every precept of the Constitution will be repudiated. Some have already eroded under the decisions of the liberal supreme court decisions, and I am sure we will add to this list shortly – Ron

    • Steve

      You are asking an awful lot for a democrat to actually think for themselves. You just pointed out some historical facts that are available for everyone to see. However, it seems all too obvious that many of these people are simply dishonest and do not care for truth; only their anti-American agenda.

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    Lib, the gobal opinion, just means the muslim president is bowing to dicatorial terrorist his bros, and the EU crowd of crows, watching our decline to a dead carcass of a country. They are seeing we are adopting their failed policies, embracing and becoming more a national socialist democrat party satillite, which you libs all hope for.

  • Dave

    It was actually the Republican that started the naacp and fought the civil war after the south attacked fort sumter,

  • http://www.pbondillustration.com paul

    look how the government, democrats AND republicans, have divided and conquered! Don’t most people, upper, middle and lower classe members of both parties want the same things essentially,decent lives with housing,education, food and medicine for as many as possible? Isn’t it time everybody started to understand that national economics ain’t that different than personal economics? Ya can’t spend what ya ain’t got! GO BACK AND READ THE ARTICLE “TILTING AT WINDMILLS” and realize how BOTH parties have been screwing us, you will see what the Tea Party is really talking about! How many of you had a better understanding of what was going on with Monica Lewinski than how the housing bubble was caused by the repeal of Glass Steigle? (what’s Glass-Steigle?) . . . that’s what I mean!

  • http://yahoo Ruth

    There is no difference in either party – I just switched to an Independent. Let’s vote all these pitiful —– out in November!

    • Mathdude

      I could not agree with you more. Party politics will always lead to self interest and preservation. Even if an individual of either party has a conviction about an issue, the party apparatus will work against that individual to “persuade” them to see the light. Often it will be in the form of a perk or a promise to their constituents (see Ben Nelson or Bart Stupak), but in the end it will sway them to vote as the party wishes at the detriment of their constituents.

  • DaleK

    American Liberal, you are foolish! You talk about others drinking koolaid while yours has been spiked with vodka! You first need to get your facts straight, not make up (or listen & actually believe those moronic talking points your god, Odumber & his minions create)the “facts” you think will give your silly arguments some weight. You, like your typical liberal allies, when handily defeated in argument, resort to name-calling; your Alinsky is showing here. You need to GROWUP and stop the “teabagger” references because no one other than your fellow acolytes of Olbermann will give your reasoning any respect, which is exactly what is happening these days with all the Independants and even some level-headed Democrats joining in the Tea Party Movement due to their intelligent grasp of the facts, which you so cavalierly either neglect or create out of thin air.
    It is quite apparant that you probably either don’t have a job, or you “work” for the government, which explains your silly diatribe against those who create the private-sector jobs AND also pay out the lion’s share of those taxes (In 2006, the top 1% of Americans paid 39.9% of the country’s total income tax bill, the top 10% paid 71% of the bill; conversly the bottom 50% of wage earners paid < 3% of the bill.) which probably pays your "wage" or is it your welfare check they are paying? Either way, it is they who are paying for you to spout your socialist pablum.)If you hate the capitalist system which made this country the wealthiest, most technologically advanced and most free country in world history, why don't you move to a country you would find more to your liking, say, Venezuela, where the government "controls" (or is it subdues) those wealthy people you hold in such contempt. If you want to actually learn something about your socialist allies, I suggest reading "The Forsaken" about American workers during the Depression who moved to The Soviet Union for a "better life". What they got instead, was slavery, and early death in the gold mines of Siberia (and elswhere), all with, I might add the blessings of your fellow American Socialists in the media & even FDR who like other Socialists had blinders on where it regards fellow Socialists & Communists. It is YOU who needs to WAKE UP and see the world as it truly is, and not though rose-colored glasses. Perhaps some day you will become an adult. I wish you well.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Dale,
      His koolaid couldn’t be spiked with Vodka, HE’S NOT OLD ENOUGH!!!

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    Little Johnnie, Peanut Carter should have had included using peanut oil in his energy program, that was what Rudy Diesel used to power the first motor he ever built. But as usual most socialist dems talk smack and don’t have a clue how to do anything but dream up new untried theories. If you simple minded morons would quit dreaming of making us a third world country, since you proved you cannot lead, get thr hell out of the way, instead of taxing us and restricting our economy. It has been proven we have no need to import energy, even though Gore has owned a oil company, Occidental oil, he is pushing for junk science green energy. I realize most democrats are wimps and couldn’t be rough necks or deck hands, they are all basket weavers, or under water knitters, and like the word tea baggers, which is not a normal occupation except in liberals and EU circles. Drilling off shore is stupid when we have so much oil on terra ferma, instead of several miles down. Why don’t you simple minded socialist libs get on you peddle trikes and keep drinking kool aide in you sippy cups, so you don’t get dirty, becuase none of you idoits, either cann’t read or have trouble going into libararies. Stay out of sand boxes, you might get sand burrs in you knickers.

  • American liberal

    Allen… Our goal is to keep you from completly destroying America… When the middle class is gone , so is America…the social programs that the poor get isn’t what’s destroyed this county … It’s the handouts and greed of the wallstreet thieves being protected by republicans that have put this country in debt…. So, yes I agree that handouts have hurt this country… But it the handout to the rich that have nearly killed off this country…. Were not going to let you payoff wallstreet anymore… President Obama is going to be our president till 2016 so you rightys best get use to it… The wallstreet free ride is over

    • blamesomeoneelse

      I read with interest that the dems are for the poor when they are all rich! I read the Repubs are for business when they are mostly lawyers. I read messages from the unions and poor that the problem is the weathly. I read the middle class is tired of being the burdened class. So who is right? Well maybe there is some truth to all but mostly false information. We have two ruling parties and both are for themselve. They throw bones like minimum wage thet takes the jobs away from the youth. They each like to add hidden taxes one claims they tax the rich the other claims tax reduction. As long as we stay divided and ignorant they both win. They dont raise their own taxes, they excempt themselves from created laws and they have automatic raises. For this everyone that works for the federal government gets these same benifits! They have no concern about the working class for if they did they would create laws that include themselves. Obomacare will not be an issue with the government as they will have a tax payer supplied covereage and guess what, they will need more government employees to run the one they force on the working class. I see the tea party as the ones for the middle majority. W e must take back our government! It maybe too late to do so as things are so out of control. The idea of those in power is to keep the rest of the county confused and blaming each other as the problem. As I read these messages I see it works very well. Blame someone else as it isnt me that …

  • kate8

    Forget the liberals on these threads. They have no idea what they are talking about, and trying to educate them about the facts only confuses them. They keep recycling the same talking point mantras no matter how we try to explain the error of their thinking. They cling to these concepts for dear life. The indoctrination system overlaying their fluoridated brains has rendered them incapable of rational thinking, so if they were to acknowledge where we are on the basis of facts, their whole world would collapse.

    You can lead a liberal to the truth, but you can’t make them see it.

  • American liberal

    Dale , when you grasp the gift of reading you’ll find my reference to Koolaid was a responce to you rightys using the term Koolaid drinking..I doubt if you even read these post… It’s amazing that I’m arguing with people that are defending wallstreet…I can only conclude that you aren’t very bright…

    • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

      good then stop blogging on this site!!!!

  • American liberal

    Kate… After reading your post for the past few months I’m suprised you haven’t been fitted for a strait jacket..I bet you listen to Alex Jones…everythings a government conspiracy to you..another paranoid rightwing nutcase

    • kate8

      And AL, your puppetmasters count on people like you, who maintain a strict tunnel vision through a very narrow tunnel. Keeps you cheering them on as we are all being marched to slaughter.

      You libs rant on about people not thinking for themselves, yet the groove in your mind is so deep that you wouldn’t see a snake if it jumped out and bit you.

    • kate8

      And BTW, AL. Sooner or later, it WILL bite you.

  • kate8

    Just one note about the capitalist system.

    The fact is that it DOES work – our nation can attest to that. But it will only thrive as long as a people maintain noble values, such as honesty, integrity, truth, concern for their fellow man, accountability, responsibility….

    The communists have always known this, so they set out to corrupt the values and goodness of this nation. They have systematically dismantled our moral fiber over the past century, removing any and all acknowledgment of a higher power, thus doing away with personal accountability, and turning our value system and mores upside down. Without these restraints we’ve devolved into what we have today.

    This was the goal and, while the democrat party was initially used as the vehicle for corrupting the hearts and minds of the people, the republicans have become infiltrated by this same cancerous lot. With no basis in honor, our youth have been led to accept this intentionally twisted view of capitalism with no understanding of where and why it’s gone awry. They are simply unable to understand it.

    In America we used to all play by the same rules. We knew what to expect and what was expected, and one’s honor was everything. Now, there are no rules, and anything goes. Get what you can, while you can, and run before the chips start to fall.

    It is not capitalism that is the problem. It’s the loss of our nations’ soul.

  • Harold

    The yellow dog democrats are only matched by the red dog republicans; they exhibit similar voting pattern behaviors. What some of you call government giveaways are what you would also call leveling the playing field. For you who harken back to the good old days, have a look at what life was like in the 1930′s. And if you think those days are so good, move to some of the third world countries where those wonderful conditions still exist. You can be the most rugid individual you’d like to be, but your neighbor has the same attitude.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Harold,
      I prefer to look back to the 50s as that was where I was born. i remember my dad never locked his door, he never had to. The whole neighborhood knew who’s child was who’s! Each and every house looked out after EVERY kid and if they did wrong their parents knew before the kid got home! I remember in 1961 i threw a rock and hit a car. My dad paid to repair the damage and as soon as it had cured enough to wax it I had to wash and wax the whole car under the watchful eye of my dad!! I don’t have to tell you, I never hit another car with anything!! Respect, Personal responsibility, and pride in accomplishment. They are not taught to kids anymore!!

      • JeffH

        Joe H., I was raised the same way…called a common denominator

  • American liberal

    Dale… The private sector you’re defending had a decade of tax cuts… They haven’t created any jobs in America…. But they have sent jobs overseas and how did you republicans treat big business for shipping jobs overseas? You gave them even more tax cuts…. You’re day is over… No more..were no longer going to reward companys for outsourcing…. You can kick , scream, hold your breath and have all the tantrums you want…the tax cuts to the rich expire in 2011 and that’s the way it’s gonna be … Move to china..

    • blamesomeoneelse

      they shipped jobs overseas? Do you mean Clinton with his nafta? or do you mean unions that extorted companies like GM? or do you mean yourselve for not getting involved?

  • Thomas L Hart

    To all you liberal progressives you love to re-write history and avoid the real facts so that you can try and convince those who do not know any better that your arguments have merit.

    What union was it that forced Henry Ford to pay $5.00 per day when the going rate of pay was $5.00 per WEEK? None

    When the railroad no longer needed a fireman to shovel coal for their engines it was a union that forced the companies to not lay off or change these men to another position….they had to keep them right on in the engine compartment with the engineer paying them full salary driving up the cost of doing business. The progressives are really the ones against progress.

    Congresses interference with the Free Enterprise System: Such as when Congress mandated that Hospitals could not refuse anyone that showed up at a hospital for treatment (that was a good thing) HOWEVER, they did not tell the hospital to send the bill in to the Federal Government so they could be paid…..NO……Hospitals had to try and figure out how to stay in business…..so what could they come up with? Charging their paying customers more…..so those of us with insurance had to pay for those that the government would not pay for. Ever wonder why a dose of aspirin might cost a paying customer in a hospital upwards to $36.00. So insurance companies had to raise their rates and have had to keep raising them to cover costs. That gives Congress a means to step back in and decry the evil insurance companies taking advantage of the people…..So what happens then….more regulations that actually further raise the rates. Then Congress further attacks the insurance industry and claims that the only way to fix the problem is to take over the health care system. (Those that caused the problem are surely going to fix the problem)

    Socialism, Communism, Marxism have NEVER worked anywhere in the world. Free Enterprise set the standard for the rest of the world, the more free people are allowed to engage in the free market, the more society has benefitted as a whole and elevated all the people who are engaged. America’s so called poor live better than most countries rich……Why? It is the freedom to become whatever one decides to become.

    There were no government subsidies for the light bulb, the phone, the phonograph. the movies etc etc etc. We have subsidies for ethanol and yet it consumes more energy, rauses the price of food and water, must be trucked, not pipelined (again using more energy)….So what is Congress to do about this? Simple…..raise the rate at which it is to be subsidized….from 10% in the gas to 15%……oh yeah, that will surely solve the problem. (It definitely would not screw things up even more)

    When they Pilgrims first came here they lived under a communal system they all (supposedly) shared the work and enjoyed equally the fruits of their labors. After losing over half of their people and realizing that their very survival depended on it, Governor Bradford changed the way they operated, declaring that it was every man, woman and child for themselves. It weas then and only then that they produced an abundance of food, so much so, that they invited the Indians in and ended up celebrating the first Thanksgiving. (FRunny how the equation changes when you have a personal stake in ones own productivity. )Progressives want equal outcomes, Patriots want equal opportunity).

    I could go on and on, but a liberal or progressive has never allowed the FACTS to get in the way of their feelings. Conservatives give more to charities than do liberals….WHY? The answer is quite simple…..The liberals want government to take over everything and so they don’t feek the need to do anything themselves. While the conservatives realize that like(our Judeo-Christian beliefs) we have a responsibility to help others if we can, and so we do.

    It certainly wasn’t the government, nor the unions that made America great…..no….it was the individual with unfettered freedom that was allowed to become whatever his imagination and his God could envision.

  • American liberal

    Kate… You’ve mistaken greed with capitalism… You are correct about 1 thing…our country has lost it’s soul , it’s been replaced with greed….republican generated greed..

    • kate8

      AL, it’s obvious that you didn’t read what I wrote. Either that, or it just went right over your pin-head.

      Geez, why do I bother when I know better.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        kate8,
        You have to remember to direct your posts a little lower, A14 year old isn’t very tall!!

  • Right Wing

    This article hits the nail on the head. The article clearly aims at the factions of the democrats leaning toward the liberal end of the rectrum (oops) therefore, it should be noted that there are fiscally responsible democrats who share a common ground in government reform. I do not believe that the democrats truly represent the working class people simply because I am one who works for a living. I think more accurately the Democratic party represents Americans that can’t, won’t or don’t. Am Lib spouting about the value of Unions is a prime example. Labor unions served a purpose to unite the voice of the workers. They also forced the public regulatory framework to adjust and strengthen legal representation of workers. It is unfathomable that any American corporation would survive today by treating laborers as “slaves”. Instead Unions fashioned there own power structure to force workers to do as told. Now the purpose of the union is to make money and influence the political environment making them nothing more than political militant dictators skirting the margins of a free America.

    • American liberal

      Rightwing… And you’re way hasn’t worked because?… The Massey mine CEO ” Don Blankenship”.. A tea Bagger was fined 2000 times just this year….with a union those mine workers would be alive today….. I think Blankenship should spend the rest of his misrable rightwing life in prison… He’s no better than anyother common murderer..

  • American liberal

    Thomas… Your weak argument leaves out the fact that we got here( recession) due to conservative policys …. Screw the middle class , give wallstreet more tax cuts… Then reward them with more tax cut for shipping American jobs overseas…your agendas failed..why is it that giving these companys tax cuts didn’t result in more jobs for America?… If the republican theory of endless tax cuts and breaks for the rich would create jobs why didn’t it work?…let me help you… The Rich and wallstreet don’t give a Rats behind about America or the American worker… They only care about more wealth

  • Right Wing

    This Am Liberal character seems to be bent on antagonizing this discussion? Looks like the poster child for Tea Party “infiltrate and discredit” guerrilla tactic.

    Am lib, try to break out of your hypnosis and look way back to see that the Constitution did not include charity under the jurisdiction of the government. What was a once a moral obligation has now become a political imperative. The liberals have taken government sponsored entitlement to the warped perspective that the rich are to be fed upon. Let me ask you a few questions A Lib…do you make good money working a job in America? Do you give to charity? Are you willing to work as hard or harder than you do so the government can take more of your pay to cover increasing government controlled charity to the less privileged Americans you support?

  • Believes in the Constitution

    It amazes me how many people can not have an intelligent discussion without calling each other names. I do wish the liberals (or anyone who voted for Obama) in fact, all Americans, would read the history of our country, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. It is the conservatives who follow the ideals of our founders. Please read, “The 5000 Year Leap” and try to appreciate the greatest country in the world which the Democrats are trying to “change.” I, too, have traveled in Europe and was astonished at the price of food and other goods and at the lack of freedom to purchase simple items at a pharmacy without a prescription. Government run health care does not work.
    Ironically, the liberals who call us tea baggers and mobsters will also benefit from any freedoms that the tea party movement can reinstate.
    On another note, the wealthiest people in this country pay most of the taxes – between 80 and 90 percent. Half of our citizens pay nothing. Where would the “takers” be if the “workers” (who became wealthy due to their intelligence, hard work, and perseverance) lost their incentive to produce because the government takes so much of their earnings and gives it to those who won’t work? Our country has been the greatest in the world because of free enterprise, competition, and hard work..also faith in God. With the expansion of our federal government, we are becoming lazy and poor and our founders are probably rolling over in their graves, especially George Washington who went through unbelievable hardship in the Revolutionary War to win our freedom.
    The anti-Christian sentiment that is facing America is also to blame for our going down the slippery slope to ruination. As commander-in-chief, Washington advised his troops to pray to “the Almighty” for help during the war. He also praised God when he and his troops prevailed in battle against the English.
    I know Republicans and Democrats alike all love our country, but please, Americans, WAKE UP. Read the Constitution which has sustained us for over 200 years. The only power the federal government has is to preserve the Constitution and the safety of our nation.
    “ANY GOVERNMENT BIG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WANT IS BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY.” Thomas Jefferson…and “GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.” Patrick Henry.

    • Jim

      I agree and I have one comment. Has anyone actually read the Constitution lately? Don’t get riled up, I only reread it myself because of some mail I received. Check out Article Five. WE (the people)can pass amendments and make laws if Congress will not do what we want. It will take a majority of either three fourths of the state legislatures or by three fourths of the Conventions (that’s us, the people) of the states. I can go on but I’d rather you folks read it for yourselves. Please don’t take my word for it. Then you’ll know for sure.
      Folks, if we don’t fight for our rights, then we have none.

  • Right Wing

    It now seems very clear to me that Am lib does not understand economics and how our market-based economy works. “lets tear down wall street and hand out the cash to the poor”. “Lets take all the money from the rich motivated workers and give it to those who don’t work”. Simple analogy for trickle down is a team. Every team has one or a few star players. Lets say Micheal Jordan and Scottie Pippin on the Bulls dynasty team. Just so I understand in simple terms (because I am a simple working man) paint me a picture of how the team would have been better off if the NBA decided to take more of either star player’s salary and divide it equally among the team. Not just the other players, but the rookies, bench warmers, and staff all the way down to the sweat wipers. Have at it but try to make sense without insulting anyone if you can. I really want to understand an opposing viewpoint that does not just attempt to antagonize or provocate.

  • Jackie

    American Liberal,
    Did you make 5.5million this year? I didn’t think so.
    The elites(Marxists)are taking over what you knew as America.
    I hope your chains of Marxist slavery lay gently on your soul.

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    From The chronicles of Wall Street: Capitalism , It logically and mathematically typifies, inevitably and invariably, a progressive cannibal’s banquet in which each participate must eat or be eaten, he must be the dinner or the dinner.”

    So it has been restrained by some semblance of law- until a failure of an actor became a failure of a president.

    Lets face it…”One World In The Making” has been the goal of most religions, the ambition of most countries. And the dream of many individuals, it must be etched in our memory cells. Still we have maintained a fair degree of civil obedience to the law while many starve or near starve and maybe should starve, as the sick should go ahead and die. Lets take conservatism for what it is…not a nurturing bone in its body. Oh yes; it might toss out a few crams to ease its guilt but lets not establish a soup line that might cost too much.

    I’ll take my hand out from Uncle Sugar and i expect you would to you’ll have the choice… the “capital masters” or nothing but cannibals.

  • American liberal

    Speaking of the constitution … Arizonas new racial profiling law will be shot down…. You can’t target anyone based on race or skin color….it’s unconstitutional …. It’s also silly to keep quoting people that have been dead for 300 years… The constitution is a LIVING document…. That means it’s meaning changes with the times…so put your Powder wigs and muskets away… Your not the founding fathers… And this country is moving forward… Not backwards 300 years….we no longer have slaves, Blacks are no longer concidered 2/3rds human and women are allowed to vote and run for political office … Forget your Paul Revere Act and your John Paul Jones sillyness…it’s 2010 not 1776…

    • J.D.

      Americanliberal, thank you for, again, stepping in and proving to anyone who reads this blog that there needs to be a huge change in our current government, because, if totally illiterate boobs like you are for it, then something is definitely wrong, not only with our government, but our schools. It’s sheep like you that make the average American start to understand how far socialist ideas and nanny government have come in America. Please keep adding your input on these blogs. With every misspelled word you will make the Tea Parties stronger.

      • kate8

        Anyone else notice how American Liberal seems to control the dialogue on these threads? For some reason he has a need to be the center of attention.

        AL, that’s a personality disorder. Are you on meds? Have you seen a therapist for your obsessive hatred and preoccupation with all things conservative?

        You really should get some help, dear.

        • JeffH

          kate8, just using Alinsky tactics…he can only cotrol those that allow him…
          “An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent… He must create a mechanism that can drain off the underlying guilt for having accepted the previous situation for so long a time. Out of this mechanism, a new community organization arises….
          “The job then is getting the people to move, to act, to participate; in short, to develop and harness the necessary power to effectively conflict with the prevailing patterns and change them. When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an ‘agitator’ they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.”

          • kate8

            Yeah. But he just comes across as an idiot.

          • JeffH

            kate8, that’s his job title…annoying though…

    • Jeep

      Yeah! Screw those guys that broke away from England. They were stupid anyway! And, that George Washington guy, well, let’s just say…right, AL? We’re much smarter and better than Adams, or that Jefferson guy. In fact, let’s just burn that silly document they wrote. ‘Cause it’s been changed so many times, I think we should start over. And, we’ll start by tearing down those monuments, how much does it cost to maintain those things anyway? We can give that money to “poor” people…

  • JeffH

    Barack Obama ran for president as a man of the people, standing up to Wall Street as the global economy melted down in that fateful fall of 2008. He pushed a tax plan to soak the rich, ripped NAFTA for hurting the middle class and tore into John McCain for supporting a bankruptcy bill that sided with wealthy bankers “at the expense of hardworking Americans.” Obama may not have run to the left of Samuel Gompers or Cesar Chavez, but it’s not like you saw him on the campaign trail flanked by bankers from Citigroup and Goldman Sachs. What inspired supporters who pushed him to his historic win was the sense that a genuine outsider was finally breaking into an exclusive club, that walls were being torn down, that things were, for lack of a better or more specific term, changing.

    Then he got elected.

    Obama Grabs His Ankles For Wall St-Gate Keeper Matt Taibbi Covers

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5KrJE4X7A4

    • J.D.

      The word, I believe you are looking for to describe our current president is “two-faced”. If it is, then you are correct in that assumption. He promised several senators that went with his healthcare bill that none of the healthcare would go for abortions, that’s why they signed on. Then, just last week, he told the womens rights folks that he would make sure that a supreme court judge would be sure to recognize womens rights to abortion for healthcare. Seems he can’t be trusted to stick to anything he says. Our congress and senate are no better, though. They only say what you want to hear just so they can reach their own greedy goals. Obama told the blacks he’s black, the whites he’s white, the Irish he’s Irish, ect. ect. It’s called pillow talk, and it usually comes right before or after we the people get screwed.

    • kate8

      Some interesting stats re: the last election:

      #states won by Obama: 19 McCain: 29
      square miles won by BO: 580,000 MCCain: 2,427,000
      Population of counties
      won by Obama: 127,000,000 MCCain: 143,000,000

      Murder rate per 100,000 residents in
      counties won by Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

      McCain won land owned primarily by taxpaying citizens.
      Obama won territory mostly encompassed those living in low
      income tenements an living off various forms of gov’t assistance.

      If the dems pass amnesty, they will have absolute control within
      5 years.

      Remember when the dems were screaming about doing away with the electoral college, after Bush won? Funny thing, we didn’t hear a peep after Obama won.

  • JeffH

    Economic Royalists

    President Franklin D. Roosevelt, in his speech accepting the Democratic nomination for a second term, delivered at Philadelphia on 27 June 1936, said, “The economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek to take away their power. Our allegiance to American institutions requires the overthrow of this kind of power.” He was referring to persons prominent in finance and industry who in general opposed his tendency to centralize the government and to put it into competition with private enterprise. The phrase was repeated many times thereafter.

  • JeffH

    Is There a Secret Government in the United States?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzlTjhGxr7Y&feature=fvw

  • DaleK

    American Liberal,
    It’s funny how you place ALL the blame for our current economic troubles on Wall Street when “your boys” Chris Dodd & Barney Frank spent much time keeping Federal regulators at bay while Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac were the originators of this mess we are now in. And what about your other boy Bill “the cigarman” Clinton & his cohorts who relaxed all the rules surrounding the granting of mortgages and “encouraged” (some would say strong-armed) banks to lend to people who, it was apparant from the start, never should have been granted mortgages in the first place due by reason of intelligent economics, which by the way, seem to be beyond the pale of your own comprehension!
    You also claim that The Repubs. are the protectors of Wall Street which again flies in the face of any logic, since your fella, Odummer & his pals in the Demo. Party received 4.5 Million dollars vs. the Repubs. who received 1.5 million dollars this past election cycle from Goldman Sachs. Why would they (Wall Street)pay all this money out to the party which you claim is against them? They aren’t STUPID, they backed the party they knew they could count on for bailouts. The leglislation before Congress right now would create a PERMANENT bailout system which will allow those miscreants to take greater risks, since they will then have the Federal Government behind them to clean up the mess, just like your pals @ Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.
    Give it up for you can’t argue with me, or most other Conservatives because you are unarmed for it; you should just go home to safe, Progressive sites where you can spout your liberal pablum, thus keeping your self esteem, or rather what is left of it.
    Have a nice day.

  • JeffH

    Trillionaires Of The World
    Learn your history before it repeats on you.
    By New World Order
    12-3-7

    “Money is Power”, or shall we say, “The Monopoly to Create Credit Money and charge interest is Absolute Power”. (Alex James)

    Amsel (Amschel) Bauer Mayer Rothschild, 1838:

    “Let me issue and control a Nation’s money and I care not who makes its laws”.

    Letter written from London by the Rothschilds to their New York agents introducing their banking method into America: “The few who can understand the system will be either so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favours, that there will be no opposition from that class, while, on the other hand, that great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that Capital derives from the system, will bear its burden without complaint and, perhaps, without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.”
    http://www.rense.com/general79/tril.htm

  • Another Voice

    Hey…the working people have been paying the bulk of the taxes for years, so why shouldn’t this money be spent on things which benefit all the American people? I would rather see my tax money spent on infrastructure, clean energy, schools, education and health care instead of seeing it siphoned off to multinational corporations and rich people who pay little or no taxes. Seems like we always have plenty of money to wage wars of aggression, but health care is always ‘too expensive.’ If tax cuts for the rich were supposed to create jobs, then would somebody please tell me where all the jobs are? India, Indonesia, Bangladesh and El Salvador, perhaps – but not in the USA. The Republican Party has sold the working class nothing but lies, and is now trying to make us believe that the Obama Administration is out to ruin us. Let’s see how people react to bailouts being paid back, people going back to work, new regulations to keep Wall Street and the insurance companies from ripping us off, and better tax credits (and larger standard deductions) for the middle class – all because of an administration which actually cares about working people!

    • skipfoss

      Another voice what administration are talking about the one that took 5 mil from Golman -sachs ( Hussien) or the the one that will come in November when we get rid of these communist Muslim backing—- that we have now? Neither party is out to protect any body but their own greedy ass’s. McCain was nothing but a sell out to the Communist Muslim that we have slithering around in the white house,appointing his own outlaw communist buddies and giving the UN the power to come in to take over by his signing an Excutive order in secret don’t beleive me go to the white house site and look up EO 12245 it gives Interpol the power to come in to your home without warrant and confinscate your guns and arrest you and our local police can’t stop them it also give the UN power that give them the right to out law small arms totaly because they don’t have to honor our constituion

      • Another Voice

        Skip, in case you haven’t noticed – the administration that took 5 million from Goldman Sachs is now sticking it to them with a Financial Reform Bill (which you guys are opposing) and is doing nothing to protect Goldman Sachs from the criminal charges being filed against them. Sure, most of our legislators are greedy bastards – just as you said – and a lot of incumbents are going to bite the dust in November. I’m just hoping that we can elect a lot of new legislators with no political baggage, legislators who are willing to work together to solve this country’s problems instead of the authoritarian-minded obstructionists we have now.

        • American liberal

          Another voice… Good post.. You make sense so expect to be attacked in here…these people are wallstreet apologist … They would give their last dime to wallstreet then Blame someone else….

        • kate8

          Don’t kid yourself. This whole thing about going after Goldman Sachs is all a show for public consuption. They’ll take a few beatings here for a while and, rest assured, they will come out on top in the end.
          They’re all cohorts.

        • JeffH

          Just one connection I’ll make, Timothy Gietner.
          NY Fed’s Timothy Geithner has high-powered mentoring group
          If there were ever a career civil servant’s Hall of Fame, Timothy F. Geithner would no doubt be an inductee.
          All civil servants can look at Geithner’s resume and realize that if they work hard, they, too, can rule at least part of the world.
          An apprenticeship with Henry Kissinger doesn’t hurt. Be sure, too, to get to know a few secretaries of the Treasury and a few Wall Street CEOs.
          http://news.muckety.com/2008/06/01/ny-feds-timothy-geithner-has-high-powered-group-of-mentors/3112

          Another point to make…this should satisfy the sheeple on the site;
          Since almost everyone says it’s Bush’s fault that Obama gave away Billions. I guess his drop in aproval is Bush’s fault.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Yes Jeff, and it’s Bush’s fault for Haiti’s earthquake, the recent mining disaster and oh yes, the oil rig that just HAPPENED (A,hem!) to blow 11 men into thin air!

          • JeffH

            So true…I’m far from being a student of the bible, but isn’t it ironic that all of the worldly disasters, the Muslim jihad, and the worlds economic strife are happening in the 21st century. Now, Obama is turning his back on Israel and selling out America and Iran, N Korea are or have developed nuclear weapons capability and the US is reducing ours. Just thinking out loud again.

          • angel-wanna-be

            No Jeff, I don’t think it’s ironic. For me, the Bible doesn’t lie. I’ve seen too much in 53 years, in both hard times, and have seen my share of miracles, to believe anything or anyone else. The difference is in the people. We are living what the Bible says, this scares people and they run. These libbie goofballs can say what ever they want to me, NOTHING shakes my beliefs, and I mean nothing!_-Reagan warned in 1961__we have been warned through the years, We are being warned now!!__These are frightening times, but we need to hold fast!
            GOD BLESS

          • JeffH

            angel-wanna-be, I think you understand the point I was tryig to make…it may just be out of man’s hands, irreversable as they say, and in the hands of a higher almighty power.

        • angel-wanna-be

          Yeah I can hear Goldman Sachs now, “Obama calls the CEO and says, Hey you guys are gonna take a fall for us for the next week or so, til the smoke clears!! Beck clearly pointed out tonight that the whole damn lot of them are having a financial orgy, ___ Who Knew, cough, cough!

      • kate8

        skip, you speak the truth.

    • Jeep

      Voice, don’t let facts get in the way of your rhetoric. But, 47% did not pay anything at all in federal taxes last year. But, lets go with your suggestion, since it sounds so good. BTW, if Reps are so big on Wall Street, why did the Dems receive almost 4-1 in campain contributions last election? Hmmm…but, it’s easier to lie, isn’t it? Just remember, Hitler said that if you are going to tell a lie, make it a big one!

      • Another Voice

        The reason why 47% didn’t pay any taxes is because they did not earn enough money. With so many millions of people losing their jobs every year, it is no surprise that a big chunk of the population has fallen into the poverty level.

        • Jeep

          Really? They didn’t make enough money? Do you mean they didn’t make enough money to live in a mansion, and drive an SUV? Or, they didn’t make enough money to support their five kids they had out of wedlock?

          What is the “poverty level” based on? American standards, or Somalian standards?

          The point is that America is about personal choice and freedom. The freedom to prosper, and the freedom to fail. You seem to think that it is okay for the top 50% to support the bottom 50%, at the point of the IRS. And, so you get it straight, we will probably never agree. Your utopian great society is not how I want to see my America. I want to see an America guided by rugged individual freedom of choice, for better or worse. And, let all Americans (rich or poor) have the freedom to decide, but not the freedom to take.

  • JeffH

    Illuminati Cash ‘Slush Fund’
    Estimated At $65 Trillion
    Illegal Federal Reserve At Heart Of Problem
    As Minnesota Judge Allegedly Poisened In
    1969 After Ruling Against Corrupt Banksters

    By Greg Szymanski
    3-23-6

    Although the fund is cloaked in secrecy and made possible by the Western civilization’s Federal Reserve banking system, investigators trying to pry into the Illumnati’s secret treasure trove have uncovered some interesting facts.

    Before looking at some of the startling information behind how the “Illuminati banksters” create money out of thin air, ask why the 1968 Minnesota Trial Court’s decision holding the Federal Reserve Act unconstitutional and void and holding the National Banking Act unconstitutional and void was never appealed or vacated?

    http://www.rense.com/general70/cash.htm

    • kate8

      Great link, JeffH. Thanks.

      • JeffH

        We keep plugging forward and the links are seemingly turning towards the Rothschilds controlling the New World Order or One World Order.

        • kate8

          That’s been my conclusion.

          • JeffH

            kate8, according to some of the sheeple on here, we’re nuts for providing all the information that is taboo. Doesn’t mean we’re always right, but how can someone take information the’re afraid to look at and see if there are any common threads to the links.

  • marvin

    i see were one of the rep for the state of illinois is going to arizona to lobby the illegals that the arazona immigration law is illegal you don,t suppose we the tax payer will foot the bill for this why surely not that would be missrepresenting of all the people that he tuck an oath to protect ,so as to look out for the well being of people that are here illegally i wonder if the lawyer am lib can tell us if this is legal or not i say no what do you think

  • JeffH

    The Democrats have ignored, tried to silence and openly ridiculed the American people, unjustly.
    I’m not supporting the Republicans, I’m stating the facts. The Democratic Party is a socialist party led by the most radical of men, the POTUS.

    Democrats Criticize Democrat Leadership’s Radical Agenda
    “It’s unbelievable, this liberal agenda up here.”

    Democrat State Rep. Mark Preston (Seabrook) On The Democrat Leadership’s Radical Agenda

    http://www.nhgop.org/news/detail/67

  • JeffH

    The Obama Effect: The Demise of the Democratic Party and a Gift to the Country

    For those who hadn’t quite gotten the point before, thanks to Obama’s euphuistic and high-flown rhetorical excesses, no one can now believe that another Democrat, even an apparently more “left” one, will ever deliver a thing that he or she promises. Obama has filled the Democratic hot air balloon to the limit and it has burst. It falls like a failing parachute along with those who trusted it.

    Despite all of this, or rather because of it, Obama has given, albeit unwittingly, a great gift to the majority. He has shown those who still have brainwaves that nevermore should anyone other than a corporate shill believe in a Democrat for any positive change in terms of the vast majority. The one thing that Obama has changed: the credulity accorded Democratic demagoguery.

    http://www.legitgov.org/comment/rec_report_111209.html

  • Maurice G.

    Excellent series of articles (Part 1 and 2)!

    There is an error in the third paragraph under the heading “Obama and Echoes of FDR”. The “… $1.5 million new dollars …” should, of course, be “$1.5 trillion”.

    Now, this is an understandable error. For many years of Mr. Livingston’s long life (and mine), a million dollars was an unimaginable amount of money, so I suspect he (we) often default to that amount when speaking or writing of large $ sums. In recent years, a billion replaced a million, as the perferred amount of Congressional giveaways. Unfortunately, as Mr. Livingston rightly attempted to point out, after billions here and billions there, pretty soon, it adds up to real money – in today’s Obama terms – trillions.

    Have you noticed that you never see a trillion written out. Here is what it looks like:

    Million – $1,000,000

    Billion – $1,000,000,000

    Trillion – $1,000,000,000,000

    Looking at it this way, you quickly see that a trillion is one million, million, or a REAL BIG NUMBER.

    Conservatives, tea baggers, and all right thinking Americans, whatever they call themsleves, have figured out that this liberal, Obama Administration and Democratic Congressional nonsense MUST STOP. As this series of articles brilliantly points out, the Democrats are, and never have been, a friend to the working man and woman.

    Vote against the Democrats in November 2010, and every election hereafter.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Maurice G.,
      Thanks for pointing out the error. It has been corrected.
      All the best,
      Bob

  • Believes in the Constitution

    To Another Voice and Am. Liberal: You will never convince a conservative and vice versa. However, think about this. Obama has not kept one of his campaign promises; he rarely tells the truth. If Republicans can not turn things around, liberals will suffer the consequences of this government right along with the rest of us. You should thank the TEA (taxed enough already) Party movement for standing up for your rights.

  • JeffH

    The paid liberal schills are out in force today with their usual common theme.
    We haven’t been able to believe the politicians for quite some time, yet some still continue to believe Barack Alinsky Obama at his word.

    We owe a great debt of gratitude to Obama. He has finally dashed and destroyed the false hopes in the Democratic Party and the political system as it stands. Obama was the false prophet of change. Now let the real change begin.

  • JeffH

    Do you believe Obama the liar?
    Obama LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES
    http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

    Barack Obama in 2003, talking to the AFL/CIO:“I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare coverage. That’s what I’d like to see.”In January, 2008, Obama claimed in a nationally televised debate:”I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer.”

    In Obama’s famous DNC Convention speech, Obama says, “My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His father — my grandfather — was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.”

    Kezia, Obama Sr.’s first wife tells a story that puts Obama’s account to lie.

    2004
    Kezia said: In 1955 Obama Sr. was 18 and working in an office in Nairobi, when he took Kezia from her family at the age of 16. Her father was furious.

    “He did not like Obama. My father and brothers came to Nairobi to bring me back. They said I had to go back to school.

    “When I wouldn’t, they said they would never speak to me again.

    “Barack was also worried about what his father would think because I was so young, but he gave us his approval. Obama’s father (often described as poor) sent my mother and father 14 cows for my dowry.

    2004
    Responding to questions about his intent to serve out the six year senate term, Obama says, that he will not run for the presidency in four years.

    2007
    On January 24, the Obama campaign released a statement, saying, “To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.On March 14th, in a statement to The Times, the Obama campaign offered this statement to correct their previous statement, that appears to be a bold-faced lie:”Obama has never been a practicing Muslim. The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood’s Islamic center.”And, the original statement began, “To be clear …”So, in three months, Barrack’s campaign has gone from describing the U.S. presidential hopeful as never having been a Muslim and never having been raised as a Muslim to now never having been a practicing Muslim.What’s with the semantics? Statements from Obama’s campaign appear to have evolved, to say the least

    • Normal Guy

      JeffH

      Don’t have much time so I will just quickly disprove one of your ignorant, non-confirmed points, in your most recent misinformation campaign. Really Jeff, just once actually try and find out if what you blindly post is true will ya, I mean you just blindly accept the crap that you believe, doesn’t it matter to you what the truth is?.

      Here is a link to the entire interview with Kezia. The account that is taken out of context in your cut and paste actually confirms everything Obama says about his fathers background, the move to Nairobi, his father a cook and the dowry. Here is the link. I would think you want it right, or is following blindly more comforting for you Sheeple guy, reality is such a harsh concept I guess.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506338/Barack-Obamas-stepmother-living-Bracknell-reveals-close-bond—mother.html

      • JeffH

        It is OK for you to keep your blinders on…even mules wear them, and they’re good hard working animals also. Keep the belief!

        I expected that you would continue with your typical liberal name calling, ut that’s OK.

        The Truth about Obama Lies
        What we discovered added to the intrigue. Barack Obama is being packaged by some very resourceful people who anticipated what the opposition would do. They preemptively registered every possible anti-obama web name in the popular dot com TLD and pointed them to favorable Google™ search results. ObamaLies.com, impeachobama.com, and antiobama.com were all registered in July of 2004 to the same anonymous registrar:

        Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
        PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St – F1
        Bellevue, WA 98007

        They all point to the same favorable Google™ search results:
        http://obamalies.net/obama-lies-directory

      • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

        How come some of the sites I got my orginal material from in 2006 & 2007 have now been scrubbed!!! good thing I made copies!!!!! Tell me why such an honest person would have previous sites with the truth scrubbed!!!!! I’d like an answer!!!

        • libertytrain

          The simplest answer – maybe they didn’t keep paying the cost of their sites, got bored with doing them – any number of things. One has to pay to have a website so that’s my guess. I just renewed my site for a year this eve. If I didn’t renew it, it would have been taken down by the company I pay to host my site —

          • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

            When I say scrubbed I do not mean the entire site was taken down,
            I mean some of the content was changed. Wikipedia is still up!!! and
            a score of other sites that were changed. College sites are still up
            but the content has been changed!!

          • libertytrain

            I don’t know, content changes – for whatever reasons.

        • Normal Guy

          747 is that you exclamation!!!!!! guy.

          What are you going on about “scrubbed” wow an internet site is gone must be a conspiracy, that’s never happened before has it.

          Call the FBI, probably under the control of some billionaire with a bunch of stealth 747′s and dozens of law offices and restaurants. All under control of the Rothschild’s and Bilderburg’s quick get off your computer before they spike you and send the black helicopters. You are the countries only hope!!!!!!!!!

          Please…

          • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

            GEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            did I hit a nerve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

            Why no reply!!

        • Normal Guy

          What?

          No, how your fantasy regarding “sites scrubbed” could hit a nerve, is beyond me. I think you’re ridiculous.

          I am just having a laugh. There is nothing on this site that can hit a nerve. I just find it fascinating how ridiculous most posters on this site are. The complete inability to separate reality from fantasy, the complete lack of research and the acceptance of anything regarding you’re twisted point of views

          Pitiful and sad.

          • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

            Back at ya

          • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

            by the way the truth is NOT a fantasy. It’s funny when you are hit with the truth you attack like a weasel

          • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

            I bet you have Alinsky memorized

          • Normal Guy

            AD no more

            Another insightful well considered response, oh ya!, good one Pots. Here’s one for you I’m rubber and you’re glue…

            Would you care to expand on the conspiracy that you elude to in a completely unsupported way? I can’t wait to observe the depth of your research.

          • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

            You never site reserch. So whats your sorry response

          • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

            ment research

          • Normal Guy

            AD some more

            That’s what I thought, lots of gibberish but nothing to say

          • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

            Again You did not put up a link for your rant

  • mikey

    Republicans will vote for ONLY a Republican no matter how dumb that person may be. How else can you explain Sarah Palin and Michele Bachman. Just goes to show how Republicans think. Just chant the party talking points and your party base doesn’t realize how dumb you are.

    • kate8

      As I pointed out earlier, just look at those who are most ridiculed and demonized. They are the ones the status quo fears the most.

      I daresy that both Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann have far more experience, and vastly more intelligence and common sense, than Obama or anyone in his administration. And that also goes for most of those in Congress.

      You know that if the libs hate them, it’s because they believe in America and love the Constitution, and are exactly the kind of people we need to support.

      • Jeep

        Wait, wait…Are you saying that because Palin ran a state and a city that she has more experience than barry? But, barry ran a…a…ummm…a organizer thingy…you know…doesn’t that count?

      • Hugh Jordin

        I would love to see thoughtful, intelligent conservatives in office who offer positive leadership and a genuine willingness to solve America’s problems. Sadly, Palin and Bachmann do NOT fall into that category. When I hear Bachman speak, gleefully using incendiary rhetoric that she has been fed by behind-the-scenes handlers, she reveals her lack of cerebral capacity. Palin has devolved into a self serving tabloid personality. If she was the patriot she claims to be she would leave politics and let those with 3-digit IQs tackle the country’s problems. Listening to them is like listening to the Taliban… just a different religion.

        They are feared by thinking Americans, conservative and liberal alike, because they represent willful ignorance and spread it around like the plague. They give conservatives a bad name.

        If you are willing to be led by such as they it is very sad.

        Our country desperately needs conservative guidance… bright, thoughtful, rational conservative guidance. If you are truly committed to conservative ideals, seek out real leaders who can think for themselves. They are like tv actors reading scripts and pretending to be what they are not and successfully finding and audience who buys their act.

        • mikey

          Very Well put.

        • kate8

          Okay, Hugh. Just who would you suggest?

          As I said, look at who the media ridicules.

          • kate8

            Also, I appreciate anyone who ignores PC and speaks the truth. We’ve been terrorized long enough by this ridiculous tool of the left, which was intended to give them total control of the important issues.

          • mikey

            You know, you actually speak some truth. The media has a lot to do with who wins and who loses. Just look at Palin. The media was on her like flies on crap right from the very begining. Even after she went back to Alaska after the election they still didn’t leave her alone. Now they have created a monster. If they would just ignor her she would go away. But then with the nonsense she dribbles out, how can anyone ignor her? It’s all just so entertaining.

          • mikey

            By the way, My Senator is a Democrat and complete goofball. He’s been in office for like 40 years. I’ll be voting for the Republican canadate this year.

          • Hugh Jordin

            The media on both sides is untrustworthy. MSNBC and FOX NEWS are two sides of the same coin… propaganda tools serving the political interests of those who pay them… more interested in stirring up artificial conflicts than dealing with positive solutions or even pragmatic truth. One is as bad as the other.

            Fox ridicules the left, MSNBC ridicules the right.

            The GOP seems to have marginalized anyone who does not tow the party line which may be why no conservative of real worth has emerged. I pray for someone of real intellectual power to come forth who is willing to move beyond obstructionism and lead the country based on the values upon which it was founded. It seems that all of the leading politicians of both parties have been bought by someone and are no more convincing than airhead Denise Richards trying to portray a nuclear scientist in a Bond film.

        • Another Voice

          Hugh, I agree with you all the way. We need intelligent, responsible conservatives to step up and join the legislative process, and we need them badly. The best legislation will be a product of liberal and conservative ideas, not a far-left or far-right creation. Unfortunately, the Republican party has been hijacked by authoritarian extremists (who may or may not be conservatives), and these people are shouting down any type of dissent within their ranks.

      • mikey

        You go right ahead and support Palin. If she runs in 2012 you will be putting Obama back in the Whitehouse for a second term.
        What are Palin’s solutions to unemployment, Healthcare Reform, Wall Street, and cutting the deficit? I know, I know, cut taxes again. LOL How many times did Bush cut taxes and give stimulus checks out? And what did it do any good? Nope.
        LOL Even if Palin would somehow get elected to the White House she would just quit after a year or two anyway.

        • Palin12

          Listen up buster! Sarah is not Bush. She doesn’t even like Bush. Bush cost her and mcCain the election, along with ACORN. I love the way she strikes fear into the heart of you liberal lunatics!

          • mikey

            You are RIGHT! Palin is not Bush. Bush didn’t appear to be very bright, but he was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than what Palin is or would be. If I had to pick I’d pick Bush.

          • mikey

            Oh so it’s Bush’s fault McCain lost the election? Isn’t it time we stop blaming Bush for everything LOL.

            I think McCain and Palin lost that on their own.

          • Palin12

            mikey how much are you paid by SEIU to come on here and what is your goal? have you ever succeeded in turning a conservative or a liberterian into a liberal? Because no matter how many times you spout off the same liberal lies of so-called higher intelligence and racism, no one’s buying now or ever! You demonize Sarah’s intelligence to cover up that you have no one in the democrat party with as much charisma as her and that’s what worries you.

          • Hugh Jordin

            You confuse fear with disgust.

            I love intelligent women who speak their OWN minds.

            That’s why I don’t think much of Palin.

    • angel-wanna-be

      Mikey, You haven’t brought anything BRILLIANT to the table thus far, either, there Einstein!___Bring it on!

    • kate8

      Hey mikey, when was the last time you voted anything but democrat? Are you even old enough to vote?

      Why would someone vote for a party that opposes everythine one stands for? That makes no sense.

      Conservatives have no illusions about politicians. Most republicans are as worthless as the democrats. But you libs worship your politicians with a blind loyalty, and that is pathetic.

      • mikey

        hate8,
        If you must know I vote for good ol’ GW Bush back in 2000 and I was happy when he won. But by the time 2003 roled around I seen I had made a mistake.
        I also vote for Republican Congressman and Senators, both local and stae. See, I vote for people and not parties. That’s why people like you are so dumb. You vote for a party no matter how dumb the canadate. Just look at Palin. Talk about dumb.

  • chuck b

    mikey

    what excuse do you have for the demos’s that voted for barry??? talk about a pig in the poke!!

    • mikey

      Well, at least he can deliver a good speach with ideas of what he wants to do. So far the things is trying to do are things he campaigned on to do. Besides, look at who was running against him. It was more than just Democrats that voted for Obama. Only the hard core Republicans voted for McCain.

      • kate8

        mikey, all Obama is able to do is read a teleprompter well. If he has to actually think, he stumbles and bumbles and no one can figure out what he actually said. LOL.

        Just as well. Everything that passes his lips is a lie. Except when he promises to rob us all blind.

        • Lisa Jones

          hate8,
          At least he is able to think. Unlike the fellow that was before him or the crazy lady from Alsaka.

          • kate8

            Lisa, that was just dumb. And I’d appreciated it if you’d refrain from addressing me as you did. Again.

          • George E

            A thinking socialist may be more dangerous than a non-thinking socialist, but he’s still a socialist.

          • Palin12

            Alsaca???

          • Cory

            hate8,
            What Lisa said is exacly correct. The last President we had couldn’t think. He let Cheney do the thinking for him. Also, Palin can’t think either. Ever see her interviews? She really never has much to say. She just repetes the same things over and over. Guns, too much government, Obama = bad things. But we are still here after over a year of Obama in the White House.

  • angel-wanna-be

    The Welfare State has to has two things, a Liberal force that hides under the guise of helping the down trodden and the poor, and a brainwashed people, that believes they can’t do without it. But instead of the Libs giving these welfare recipients a specific time line, to get there lives in order, they keep handing out the money. Year after year! IF THESE PEOPLE WANT TO BE ON WELFARE, THEN LETS MAKE THEM WORK FOR IT!___ PUT THEM TO WORK ON ROAD CREWS, there is plenty of trash to picked up!! State and local parks need grass moved and trimming done ESPECIALLY Since state budgets were cut!__THOSE IN PRISON HAVE TO DO IT, WHY NOT FOR WELFARE!___NONE OF THE REST OF US, GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING UNLESS WE WIN THE LOTTERY, OR A LONG LOST WEALTHY UNCLE DIES AND LEAVES US AND INHERITENCE___AND ANOOTHER THING, THEY ONLY DAMN REASON THESE LIBS KEEP WELFARE IN PLACE, IS SO THEY GET VOTES!!!__EACH FILLS THE VOID OF THE OTHER.

    • angel-wanna-be

      SORRY LOUSY SPELLING TODAY!

  • chuck b

    hugh jordin

    your description of palin and bachman sounds kind of fishy to me, sounds like a demo talking point and so does the conservative bit.
    it sounds exactly how i would describe most democrat politicians, so maybe you meant liberal instead of conservative???

  • American liberal

    Chuckie… Palin and Bauchman are both crazy so they appeal to you…I’m not suprise …

    • kate8

      Yeah. Just look at the folks who appeal to you. Communists, Marxists, the morally and intellectually compromised….

      • http://?? Joe H.

        kate8,
        Please don’t leave out income cheats!!! Oh, and domestic terrorists!!

        • Palin12

          and don’t forget Bawney Fwank!

  • American liberal

    President Obamas polls are still much higher than any republican or conservative politician… It’s just ashamed that a brilliant president like Obama had to following a Neo conservative that destroyed most of this country… Theirs so much damage that it’s taken longer than we think it should take….and if the republicans should get the goverment back this country will never recover….the handouts to wallstreet and the rich will finish the damage already done…

    • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

      What parallel universe are you in!!! AS you can see by my screen name I used to Think like a Dem. I started doing my reserch and now
      I can’t beleive how I was duped by the Dem party. The Dem party of today is not like the party of my father. They really don’t care about the working class. They only use them to further their sordid agenda!!! They use them like some much dirty wash water. Use it and then throw it out when its no longer of any use to them. The Dem party of today is full of progressives and socialist masquerading as the Dems of my fathers day. They have been working on a One world Gov since the days of Wilson. They don’t care how they acheive it but they sure do lie to acheive it. Your are just another one of the KOOL-aid drinker minions they are using to further their cause.

    • Right Wing

      Hmm…I remember Pelosi meeting with the Auto industry before BHO was sworn in? Who was it then that handed out the $$ to the Rich and Wall Street?

  • Right Wing

    Addressing liberal viewpoints here (while entertaining) does not do much to forward the thoughtful focus on reform and reclamation of OUR America. I can see where some of the liberal acrimony for the rich comes from. I agree that in certain contexts unprincipled, organized greed can lead to detrimental economic outcomes. Take for instance the greed associated with many TARP fund recipients. Reports of lavish expenditures by executives in such firms choke the news and cause any American to gag. But now thanks to those bailouts America now carries the weight of the largest entitled hogs in the history of our country. Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.

    If anyone really thinks there is a level at which companies are too big to fail, then sign on to the socialist agenda. Our economy will always experience expansion and contraction as it grows larger and more complexly integrated. If we are seeing “too big to fail” now, expect the problem to only grow. And if the solution is to exercise charitable use of tax money so the federal government can privatize more industries, then welcome to the Brave New World.

    What I think liberals fail to see here is that conservative “rightys” would normally have left such oversized firms as market casualties to limp behind for the hyenas. New, younger, faster, more adaptive firms would have emerged to take their place and adapt to the market needs in natural order. Yes it would have been a setback and times would have been hard. But instead of showing a collective moxie we invited a socialist trickster to bring change. While we all sat back in our complacent recliners and hoped for change that prevented the need for hard work and sacrifice the inevitable happened. Instead of standing up and accepting our burden under the yolk of recovery, we have been quietly shackled to socialist ideology. I hope the big American dog can see that these chains are made of paper, wake up, and shake them off.

    The bottom line here is that there are many Americans (that aren’t toothless and illiterate as the media would like to believe) that are tired of pandering and paying for the entitlements of loud-mouthed Americans that will not suck it up and work. I accept that I will not be a millionaire but I respect hard working people that are willing to sink their efforts into pushing the economic envelope so that jobs and work are available for those like me. Otherwise I would be scraping up work from some griping liberals who don’t even have enough money to give to a neighbor in need because they think it is the government’s job to do so.

  • American liberal

    Normal guy… Great point.. And true… Remember these rightwinger plan of operation is to lie and keep lying… Even with the truth right in front of them they just keep driving the lies… Then throw out a bible verse and claim to be morally superior… Anybody that needs to make a point of morality is usually immoral… Kind of like Bush and Cheney claiming to be Christians when their was no diffrence in either Bush and Cheney and Saddam..

    • Right Wing

      Did you have a point?

  • chuck b

    amer lib

    it depends on where the liberal media takes the poll, you probably could find him leading in watts. but, they also voted for maxine waters, isn’t she a beaut. keep puffing on that dummy dust.

  • DaleK

    Hey American Lib,
    Once (if ever) you actually get a job and move out of your mother’s basement, you might realize how the capitalist system works. I’m sorry, did I hurt your “widdle feewings” as we haven’t been “blessed” by your usual odurous, hateful rantings for awhile, or have you finally found a girl to replace your worn-out blowup doll of Bea Arthur? Or maybe you had to catch the bus to school? Must be tough being a sophmore.
    As to me moving to China, aren’t you the one who would be more inclined to favoring their system, at least according to your past scribings. As to jobs leaving this country, that all started long before GWB was in office, in fact, your boy Bill was quite encouraging to foreign businesses such as his relaxing of the rules when American businesses sold dual-use technology to Iran which they are using to screw us. Interesting that when confronted with factual information, you Libs. resort to desultory generalizations, half-truths, and pusillanimous personal attacks instead of sagacious, erudite analyses of the issues, showing fealty to the truth. You never once had an intelligent come-back to my previous statements; I guess it’s because you need to call Odummer to get your “talking points”, rather than engage in an intellectually honest debate. You make my arguments all the more stronger, due to your immature musings; I find you and most of your ilk quite fatuous for the efficacy of your arguments are nil. I think I hear your mommy calling you to dinner. Good luck with those pimples.

  • P.O.’d

    Why can’t either party, Republican or Democrat, give us one decent candidate worth voting for??? I always vote for the “lesser of two evils.” America is going down the tubes. Get back to God!!!

    • kate8

      P.O.’d, Because the candidates are always picked from the same pool, by the puppet masters who control everything – the world’s finances, governments, pharma, education, militaries, media, etc. etc. etc.

      The ones who are promoted are always going to be members of the club (Bilderberg, TriLateral, CFR, the FED…). They are the only ones the media will promote, hence the only ones people will be exposed to. We’re going to have to wise up on a mass scale if we are going to elect those who will represent the people, because as long as we are held captive (and hypnotized) by the media, all we’ll get is more of the same. And worse.

      • JeffH

        kate8, it seems that the power does goes to the Master…Power broker

  • Believes in the Constitution

    P.O’d is correct. America was founded on faith in God and we need to pray and turn back to Him. TO A.LIBERAL: You say, “The Constitution is a living document.” That’s true…WE SHOULD LIVE BY IT. Following it made our country great. It was a revolutionary idea back in 1773.
    If we want our country to remain strong and free, we must not change the Constitution as the present administration is doing. Most Americans do not want the government over-taxing us, telling us what kind of car we can drive, what doctor we can go to, the kind of light bulbs to buy, and spending our country into bankruptcy. That is why so many men died during the Revolutionary War…to break free of the tyranny of England. If you think Obama is brilliant, I would like to know where you get your information. He thought we had 57 states, he doesn’t know how to pronounce “corps,” he bows to communist dictators and is rude to our allies. Oh, he’s doing a job on this country all right!

  • Believes in the Constitution

    Why don’t you go to the library and get a copy of The 5000 Year Leap? It will help you understand this country. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

  • Believes in the Constitution

    P.S. to A.L. I wouldn’t get my information from Keith Olberman if I were you. He used to be a sportscaster in California and he knows nothing about politics. He just rants and makes accusations but makes no sense. The biased media in general is in love with Obama and tries to disparage the tea partiers. I happen to be one of them and all the negative things you read and hear are absolutely false. The “left” is so afraid of the tea party movement that it will do anything to discredit us. In fact, they had 65 shills going to tea parties on tax day to disrupt the rallies. Oh, the dirty tricks and lies they engage in.

  • http://www.arisemichigan.com/ Dave

    Great link, JeffH. Thanks.

  • http://www.eurekalock.com/ Sean

    It’s not a recession unless a full 3/4 of the year are recessionary.
    So you are going to have to delete your observation for 01/80 – 7/80 only 6 mos. 07/90 – 03/91 only 8 mos. and 03/01 – 11/01 only 8 months as well. That leaves you with only 3 periods. But to the point that progressives don’t show the correct facts only the ones that suit them. During that time period you forgot Jimmy Carter, The worst recession was during his term in the time period that you so triumpantly show. Did you forget him!!!!!!!or just omit him. I’m thinking the later!!!! But lets go a little further: Truman; Roosevelt;and Wilson!!!!(gotta luv that communist Wlson. Roosevelt had
    4 terms to straighten out the economy and still couldn’t do it!!!!! Oh and by the way even I used to like Clinton, His admin started the dip into recession for the Bush era. Give me facts on that. I’ll show you where your wrong!!!!!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    The Truth About the Health Care Bills – Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney

    Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

    To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

    The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.

    However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

    The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

    The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

    This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide…

    If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

    So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn’t stop there though.

    The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

    The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

    I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights… Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to “be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.” If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

    For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

    Michael Connelly
    Retired attorney,
    Constitutional Law Instructor
    Carrollton , Texas

    AFTER HAVING READ THIS, PLEASE FORWARD….

    If you don’t care about our constitution, or your rights under it, just do nothing.

    WE MUST HOLD CONGRESS ACCOUNTABLE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    George Soros, Open Society, Shadow Party
    2008 Market Crash Should be Investigated
    By Jeff Lukens Wednesday, April 7, 2010

    Almost two years after the mortgage crisis and stock market crash, no one seems to wonder about the “September surprise” that shifted the 2008 presidential election to an unknown leftist politician who had been elected to the Senate only two years before. A pulp-fiction writer could hardly have created a more contrived and bizarre story. But this was not make-believe. No, it is now our own gritty reality show that we only wish we could turn off.

    The week of Sept. 15, 2008, was a debacle of huge proportions. On Monday, Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy while other lending institutions lined up like dominoes teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. But the week was hardly over. On Thursday, an electronic run on the banks occurred. In an unprecedented move, the Treasury and the Federal Reserve had to act together to stop what had become a full-fledged panic. On Saturday, Sept. 20, The Wall Street Journal recounted events of that previous Thursday:

    “Instead of lining up at bank windows, investors were unloading financial assets on their PCs. Credit markets had seized up, to the point that even routine daily settlements had stopped until banks had the actual securities or cash in hand.”

    “Investors were rushing out of these [Treasury and Federal Reserve] funds—$105 billion out of $1.8 trillion on Thursday alone—which in turn caused the funds to redeem their commercial paper investments.”

    “Issuers of that paper then had to find new funders, which in a pinch are banks. But jittery banks were refusing to accept paper from even worthy companies amid the panic, creating a larger credit breakdown. In response, Treasury will now insure nonbank money-market fund deposits for the next year, to slow money-fund redemptions.”

    For such a large and coordinated exodus of funds to occur in U.S. markets, something more than individual “investors” at their PCs had to be in play. Large and well-managed hedge and mutual funds were undoubtedly behind much of the move.

    A few months later on a C-Span interview, Rep. Paul Kanjorski, House Capital Markets Subcommittee Chair, described that day:

    “On Thursday at about 11 o’clock in the morning the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States , to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in a matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help. It pumped $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide; we were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there.”

    The $550 Billion withdrawn in an hour or two that Rep. Kanjorski refers to in his statement has never been independently confirmed or refuted.

    In mid-September, John McCain was ahead of Barack Obama in some polls by about 3 percent. By Oct. 10, the S&P 500 Index had lost 25% of its value from what it had been a month before. The crash was a major calamity for the McCain Campaign. And now, with Obama in the White House, it has become a calamity for us all.

    The fact remains that the identities of those who withdrew their money that week were never disclosed. And, knowingly or not, they created a panic that altered the course of the election. One can only wonder whether something more than normal market forces was at work.

    Courtesy of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, the crisis came about by the uncertain value of subprime securities held by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, banks, saving and loans, and other lending institutions. A declining market in itself is not noteworthy, but to induce a panic in the midst of a presidential campaign, if ever proven, would be reprehensible and an outrage to the American electorate.

    While the stock market collapse was a disaster for your average IRA or 401(k) account, some investors benefited handsomely. It is widely agreed that hedge funds profited by selling short the collapsing market in 2008, and chief among them was George Soros’ hedge fund. Soros may have personally had the motivation, method, and opportunity to trigger the crash.

    Soros’ overseas-based hedge fund evades much scrutiny, and its activities that week left almost no trail. Could Soros and his hedge fund be behind many of the withdrawals of that week, and particularly on that Thursday? We need to know. The massive outflow of U.S. funds to offshore accounts that critical week during the campaign could be a coincidence, but it is doubtful.

    George Soros is a multi-billionaire answerable to no one. Hastening a market meltdown to give the election to Barack Obama would fit his pattern of profiting while destroying the social order of his target country. Triggering a crash in 2008 would also serve his political investments.

    Soros is obsessed with power. He wants a One World Government, redistribution of wealth, open borders, and universal health care. He is determined to change America forever by deconstructing its sovereignty and ability to defend itself. Soros was a huge backer of Barack Obama, and now his anointed president is determined to change America to their mutual view.

    Soros made his fortune by short selling currencies and then pouring substantial amounts of his private wealth into organizations to subvert various nations. He nearly bankrupted the Bank of England by shorting the pound in 1992. He wrecked the Malaysian economy in 1998, and subsequently that of Indonesia as well. He is responsible for stirring-up instability in Africa, the Balkans, Eastern Europe , and the former Soviet republics.

    Over the years, Soros has positioned himself to take control of the Democrat Party through the hundreds of 527 organizations he has helped financed. These organizations have become a “Shadow Party” unto themselves, and manipulate public opinion for their own end.

    Among them: the National Education Association, ACORN, AFL-CIO, American Federation of Teachers, The Media Fund, the Open Society Institute, Planned Parenthood League, the Sierra Club, America Coming Together, the Huffington Post, Moveon.org. If a left-wing organization is in the news, it has probably received money from George Soros.

    Why have the identities never been reported of those who withdrew funds that week? Shouldn’t there be even some curiosity about an event that wiped out the jobs and life savings of so many people? And why has there been no follow-up inquiry by into Rep. Kanjorski’s statement? There needs to be a public investigation concerning the amounts and offshore destinations of the funds withdrawn from U.S. markets that precipitated the crash.

    Did an unwritten partnership exist between George Soros and Barack Obama? Could Soros, through Obama, be seeking a “velvet revolution” in the dismantling of our nation as he has done elsewhere? These questions need further investigation. With the Alinskyite tactics employed by Team Obama, none of this is beyond the realm of possibility.

    Americans recoil at the thought of having their elections manipulated by outsiders. As long as Democrats control Congress, there surely will never be an effective inquiry into this affair. Perhaps a GOP victory this November will allow a thorough examination finally to begin. Add this to the many investigations the GOP will need to make when they finally take back Congress.

    • George E

      Very interesting. Thanks.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    1938 Austria

    “After America , There is No Place to Go”

    The author of this article lives in South Dakota and is very active in attempting to maintain our freedom. I encourage everybody to read this article and pass it along. I see so many parallels in this country–are we going to sit by and watch it happen? Spread the word; also contact your congressional reps; vote them out if they don’t do what they should. If you don’t want to be bothered, then you’re part of the problem! Google Kitty Werthmann and you will see articles and videos.

    America truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away

    By: Kitty Werthmann

    What I am about to tell you is something you’ve probably never heard or will ever read in history books.

    I believe that I am an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected him by a landslide – 98% of the vote.. I’ve never read that in any American publications. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.

    In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25% inflation and 25% bank loan interest rates.

    Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn’t want to work; there simply weren’t any jobs. My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people – about 30 daily.

    The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna , Linz , and Graz were destroyed. The people became desperate and petitioned the government to let them decide what kind of government they wanted.

    We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany , where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn’t have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group — Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria . We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back. Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.

    We were overjoyed, and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed.

    After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.

    Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn’t support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been required to give up for marriage.

    Hitler Targets Education – Eliminates Religious Instruction for Children:

    Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler’s picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn’t pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang “Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles,” and had physical education.

    Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail. The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.

    My mother was very unhappy. When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn’t do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun – no sports, and no political indoctrination. I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler. It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn’t exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy.

    Equal Rights Hits Home:

    In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn’t work, you didn’t get a ration card, and if you didn’t have a card, you starved to death. Women who stayed home to raise their families didn’t have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.

    Soon after this, the draft was implemented. It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps. During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys. They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines. When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat. Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.

    Hitler Restructured the Family Through Daycare:

    When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. You could take your children ages 4 weeks to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, 7 days a week, under the total care of the government. The state raised a whole generation of children.. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.

    Health Care and Small Business Suffer Under Government Controls:

    Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna . After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

    As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80% of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

    We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables. Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands. Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.

    We had consumer protection. We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.

    “Mercy Killing” Redefined:

    In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps . The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work. I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months. They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.

    As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.

    The Final Steps – Gun Laws:

    Next came gun registration.. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

    No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

    Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria . Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.

    After World War II, Russian troops occupied Austria . Women were raped, preteen to elderly. The press never wrote about this either. When the Soviets left in 1955, they took everything that they could, dismantling whole factories in the process. They sawed down whole orchards of fruit, and what they couldn’t destroy, they burned.. We called it The Burned Earth. Most of the population barricaded themselves in their houses. Women hid in their cellars for 6 weeks as the troops mobilized. Those who couldn’t, paid the price. There is a monument in Vienna today, dedicated to those women who were massacred by the Russians. This is an eye witness account.

    “It’s true..those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.

    America Truly is the Greatest Country in the World. Don’t Let Freedom Slip Away

    “After America , There is No Place to Go”

    • kate8

      James, I’ve read things like this before. We are going down the same road. Obama is following the same playbook.

      Everyone should read this post but, sadly, many won’t because it is so long. I almost didn’t. We’re all busy, and mostly it’s just people ranting. But it’s worth the time because it is relevant.

      God help us, but we are already almost there.

      • cms

        Kate8,
        I totly agree with you! Obama is Satan dressed in Sheep;s clothing…WAKE UP AMERICA! HELL IS WHERE WE ARE GOING..Please, let’s not be lead by our noses to gas chambers! Think it’s extreme? I don’t. Kate8 is right on!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    Born and Raised!

    I agree with him.. The illegals have more rights than the citizens and the citizens are working to take care of them in a better fashion than they themselves are living..
    Vote them out!

    This is a very poignant and pointed story by an American disabled vet whose focus is where all ours should be…

    My name is d’Lynn – I’m a disabled Vietnam vet.., don’t look too bad for a beat-up old fart, do I? .., and that’s my ride.., she’s looking pretty good also.., especially when you consider that she’ll turn twenty this summer – that’s right .., it’s a 1990 with a 1990 sidecar.., I can’t ride a solo bike…, ergo – the sidecar rig. It’s my sole means of transportation – rain, or shine.., snow, or wind.., and this summer also marks a mile stone.., in both of our lives…, as I will finally be able to pay her off. 20 years old? What? Why did it take so long ? You weren’t paying attention, were you? It’s right at the beginning of this paragraph. I am a disabled vet.., which means I receive a veterans administration disability pension.., which also means; “I’m broke!” .., just one step ahead of being homeless every month.., and that’s not an idle statement.., or an: “oh., whoa is me” .., dire complaint. There is a point to this., so hang in there a minute, or two.., and read on.

    There’s a 25 year old illegal immigrant women living in Florida.., with eight kids. Yes., eight “anchor babies”. .., and she receives just shy of $1,500 per month…, per kid…, plus, medical.., plus food stamps. Oh, wait.., I’ve been informed that I shouldn’t call them Food Stamps anymore – that’s not PC. It’s all called – ‘Social Assistance’.., now. You do the math on that yourself. I’d say that she was schooled early in how to make it in the system. 25 years old.., eight kids…, yep – she started early.
    You can whip-out the calculator if you want.., but this women who never has paid a dime in taxes of any kind.., [ and still doesn't - she's 'illegal' - remember?] .., is here, in this country illegally.., paid not one cent in medical for all the ‘anchor babies’.., makes more in one month, legally, then I receive in over a year and half in disability payments…, and I can’t even get food stamps ! Oops – I mean.., Social Assistance.
    Technically – I am eligible for ‘Social Assistance’.., I was told it would be a walk through – a gimme – being disabled., no problem.., and in the very next breath was also informed that under the law, the amount I received in ‘Social Assistance’., would be deducted from my disability pension.
    Let’s say I take a great photograph. It was just luck., a one of a kind accidental – in the right place at the right time, shot. My local newspaper offers me fifty bucks to use the photo in a featured story. [ I live in a small town - fifty bucks is all they could afford.] I have to report that fifty dollars to the VA as earned income – which will immediately be deducted from my next month’s disability check. If I don’t report it, I am in violation of federal law., and technically they can stop my disability pension and prosecute me under a federal felony. Pretty cool, eh? For fifty bucks.
    I see no point in dealing with two federal bureaucracies.., so I don’t bother. What’s the point ?
    She’s here illegally – and with just one kid.., would make over twice what I receive per month. She…, has eight.., and she is not a stand-out case.., she is not alone. That’s the way the system works. Millions of illegal immigrants know this.., know how the system works.., and know how to use it. [ Haven't you seen the pamphlet? It's handed out all along our borders - "The Illegal Immigrants' Guide to Keeping America Just The Way It Is."]
    .., and that’s just the way it works.
    Did you know that the federal government provides a ‘refugee’ in this country with a monthly ‘stipend’ of $1,890 – plus $580 a month in ‘Social Assistance’., ? That $2,470 a month. Tax free. That’s two and half times what I am allowed to receive as a disabled vet. And just what did they do to earn this? All’s you have to do is show up on our collective door step – raise you right hand and swear that you’re a refugee and bingo – receive $30,000 a year, tax free. That’s more then someone making $15 an hour., and they have to pay taxes to boot!

    Now.., in defense of the Veterans Administration.., they are doing what they can – with what they’ve got. This is precious little compared to what they should have to get the job done. At least this country has a VA. It’s the Senate that keeps passing laws, rules and guidelines, cutting their budget.., denying requests for more staff, and computer systems to handle the massive work flow. Their hands are tied – by the very government that’s suppose to give them what they need to get the job done – by the government you voted into office. Don’t scream at the VA.., I have. It’s misguided anger.

    The point to this ‘story?’ Just why are you paying such high taxes to support this incredibly screwed-up government? Why !? .., and I am not proposing you stop paying your taxes. That’s wrong. There are good programs and reasons to pay your taxes and support our government. What am I proposing? It’s quite simple. Vote.
    The government.., our government.., is broken.., and we as the voters serve as the maintenance crew. We fix it.., by voting.
    If your state Senator has been in office more than two terms – vote ‘em out at the next election. If your state Representative has been in office more than two terms – vote ‘em out of office. We put term limits on just about every publicly elected official in the country – except the House and Senate. Why!? Believe me.., they know this – and love it! Ahhh – the power.
    I don’t care how much you believe your Senator, or Representative is doing a good job.., they’re not! Look at the government you have.., that we have. How can you state they are doing what you want as the voter that put them there.?? How!?
    Vote them out of office. Do it.
    Change the course of this country’s history by what you are granted and guaranteed under the law. Vote! And if you have the guts.., the anger.., the outrage…, start a petition in your state for a state wide initiative to be placed on your next state ballot. Limiting the terms of office for your state senators and state representatives – to your federal government – to two terms.
    The federal government will never pass such a law.., but you can. You can get it done. You can force it. You can make it a law.

    This is the first step in ‘getting it right’. Just vote. It’s simple. It’s easy, damn it!
    This first step will send a very clear message.., it will work. It will put ‘us’.., back in control of ‘them’. As it should be… as it was intended in the first place.

    Are you an American? Born and Raised? Then Vote!

    Side note: I sent this email to a little over one hundred on my email list. If you believe I am wrong, or misguided, or simply don’t agree.., that’s fine.., go right ahead a delete this email. No problem.., sorry to have bothered you. However, if you think I might just have a worthwhile idea.., something we can easily accomplish.., something that could be a small part at getting this country back under ‘our’ control’.., then please, pass this along.

  • Warrior

    Here ya go Libs – this is your unqualified POTUS’s history. Enjoy the reading.
    http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaIllinois.htm -

    • denniso

      And you believe anything you read anywhere? You should know that site is a scam…the only qualifications for the site owner is that he hates Obama and Democrats. You should try to be a little discriminating in what you take into your brain…you’re polluting it.

      • Warrior

        Well Denniso, me being a resident of Chicago for over 50 years, I am quite familiar with Chicago and ILL politics and this is oh sooo accurate. Some people just cannot handle the truth.

      • Right Wing

        denniso…your posts contain nothing of substance anyway so one can only conclude that you don’t read at all. You and a few others here only come to try and snipe comments with your water pistols.

        • JeffH

          Right Wing, as I am sure you all have noticed, being a well informed group of rightwigers, that the leftist sheeple have no solid rebuttles other than name calling to support their herder.

          Their name calling and the use of their favorite word, hate, is a clear sign of frustration and defeat.

          • Right Wing

            Yes Jeff…that and stating anything right is a bunch of lies. Who let them in on that secret?

    • JeffH

      Warrior, everything in that commentary is fact…the sheeple are afraid of losing their place in the line to the trough.

      What scares me more than Obama are his worshippers, his supporters, and anyone else who would approve of putting a gun to my head, picking my pockets, and marching me to a make-work program to assemble solar panels or smoking-cessation kits or to lay track for Harry Reid’s Los Angeles-to-Las Vegas magnetic rail line.

      Uncle Obama Wants You: The Secret Behind Obama’s Success
      1 March 2009 Edward Cline
      As was Hitler, George Bush and Barack Obama are nonentities, mediocrities. As was Bush, Obama is in a position of power not for any special talent for reaching it or for out-maneuvering his competitors for it. He is simply the most accommodating zero willing to echo the wishes and intentions of lesser power-seekers, such as George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, to name but a few. Obama is the beneficiary of the collapse of philosophy and the implosion of political pragmatism.
      http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/index.php?news=5442

    • Bob Wire

      Thanks Warrior for the link, interesting read, I enjoyed it, It was unflattering enough to be believable.

      But nothing odd or unusual but common place, doing little to rise great concerns or doubts in my mind. Berry was not the average kid of the block and didn’t grow up and spend his whole life in Maybury, it’s true. That he

      If you enjoy bio’s , pull Glenn Beck’s for a real treat of human drama. While he’s not a president but “some” people will listen to him before they will a “president” after that ~ check out Richard Chaney, since people listen to him as well. ” God only know’s why!

      and for a real blast, Check out Karl Rove and see what’s prepared him for the position he fills. You will be truly amazed and impressed with his devious nature and many achievements.

  • kate8

    Warrior, interesting reading. Some good info here.

  • ABinGA

    Warrior, Lots of good info.

  • http://www.supertucker.com/ William

    Hugh J,
    Unions create I can do only one job people. They refuse to cross over and do someone elses job. I have been around some Union people. My uncle was a died in the wool Union man. He bragged and talked way too much in the family for me not to have gotten a good Union education. He lived and breathed Union. He was in some official capacity in his Union.
    I wouldn’t give a plugged nickel for a Union worker.
    At one time the Unions were needed and did a great service. Then they became just like the Gov.t has become, dictators, run by Mafia like mentalities. This is also what Obama has come out of the Chicago Mafia.
    Sorry, you may have had a good experience with Unions I have not. I do blame the Unions for the demise of the auto industry.

  • JeffH

    The interview with “The Judge” discussed the legal basis for the Obamacare Class Action lawsuit and Congress gone wrong in general. You can watch the video HERE. As his wife I have to say I am so proud of him. As an American citizen I have to say I am so thankful for him. The possibility of having a person of his character in Congress, with his love for our country and our Constitution, gives me hope.

    The Obamacare Class Action continues to add more plaintiffs across the country with nearly 27,000 now signed on. With national news coverage and interest, we are building steam quickly. Please help keep the momentum up by letting your friends and family know they can help make the voice of We the People louder and stronger by joining us. Stay updated on the count at the Obamacare Class Action website. We also have a Facebook group if you would like to join in the discussion there.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4167298/lawsuit-challenges-obamacare/?playlist_id=87937

  • ABinGA

    Thanks for the link JeffH I’ll pass it on.

    • JeffH

      ABinGA, any time. Glad to see you sticking with all of us.

  • JPW-

    JeffHate & hate8 you two should go look for a job already and help out this economy instead ofspewing hate all day.

    • JeffH

      H-A-T-E is a four letter word most commonly used by the sheeple to describe anyone that does not agree with their Marxist/socialis/communist herder

    • http://?? Joe H.

      JPW-
      Javol mine herr!!

  • DaveH

    Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.
    As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.
    Their is only one real solution to all this. If you want Limited Government, Free Markets, Individual Responsibility, and Individual Freedom, then your only choice is to vote Libertarian:
    http://libertarianparty.org/platform

  • eddie47d

    Kate 8; I think YOU like being the center of attention in most of your comments.Your a smart lady but just as wicked in what you say. You talk about accountability,integrity,truth,concern for fellow man and responsibility and that’s great.You don’t always follow through on what you say or believe. Remember Big Bad John the other day and you said that the deragatory right wing comments were okay. That Obama is Barrack the magic negro,we need segregated buses, who cares about the black population,it’s okay to kill Michael Moore,9/11 victims are nothing but whinners,Katrina victims are scumbags,Obama is a supporter of the final solution,it’s okay to kill liberals,There were hurricanes in Florida to teach gays a lesson,those who protect the environment are enemies of America,Timothy McVeigh should have bombed the N.Y. Times building,Homos are Nazi’s,women who belong to womens groups are lesbians,Presidents don’t have to explain anything.Oh really! I’m sure you remember that you found “nothing wrong with these comments” so your integrity and concern for you fellow man is very suspect. So maybe your the one who has “lost their soul”.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      eddie-duh,
      how about you take those statements as BBJ wrote them and not as you want them to sound??? You are so full of BS it isn’t in the least funny!!!!

    • JeffH

      …might you just be jealous…can’t handle the lack of attention?

  • DaveH
  • Palin12

    AMERICA…REMEMBER THE VOTE…

    COME NOVEMBER WE WILL BE SERVING UP ‘LAME DUCK’ FOR THANKSGIVING…AND WHAT A DAY OF THANKSGIVING THAT WILL BE!
    —————————————-

    IMPEACHMENT OR THE ‘ORIGINAL’ RECORDS OF BIRTH…IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME…AND 2010 WILL BE THE TIME!

  • JeffH

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    liberals like to show their hate
    in support of the promise to fill their plate
    nothing in the world could ever be free
    not even health care for you or me

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    Obama has studied Alinsky and Ayers
    rules for radicals and muslim prayers
    the words from his mouth ring truth no more
    he’s a Marxist believer deep in his core

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    government growth and government control
    these websites are filled with his government trolls
    if we lose in November we’re pretty well done
    hang on to your money and cling to your guns

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    pride in America is what we say
    we want a free market not government pay
    so praise ole glory and the red white and blue
    lets show our pride, take back America too

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people
    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    Glory glory hallelujah the truth keeps marching on

    • Bob Wire

      Don’t quit your day job Jeff.

      Quote;
      “Ask a yellow dog Democrat why he’s a Democrat and he’ll usually say it’s because the Democrat Party is the party of the working man. He believes it so strongly that he’d vote for the Democrat over anyone else, even if the Democrat on the ticket was an old yellow dog.

      It doesn’t matter that Democrat policies have been devastating to the poor and middle class workers in this country for almost 100 years. The poor and middle class still turn out in droves to vote for them. Democrat politicians have successfully positioned themselves as the party of the poor, and they’ve created an enmity between the poor and the rich.”

      Response;

      And who is Mich McConnell looking out for today and what his party affiliation?

      Tell us of “ONE” Democrat policy that has “devastated the poor or middle class in the last 50 years! ~ Just “one” (1) ! I want to know of this “devastation”! The wealthy in America comprise something like 2% of 140.000,000,000 people yet , like the rest of us they one have one vote.

      This vote disparity “requires” them to “do whatever is necessary” to get less privileged voters to vote against their own self interest and vote the interest of a wealthy person. ~ They are very good at this!

      If they were “not” good at it, we’d live in a very different world today.

      It was the wealthy that got us into the Spanish American War. The trigger? the sinking of the “Maine”

      I personally feel that the “wealthy” responsibility for getting us into Iraq, via Afghanistan, via Osama Bin Laden. I can’t prove it. ~ But Osama still lives yet he’s nowhere to be found. That we let him escape through the Bora Bora? How convenient!

      Wealthy people are not bad people, but they are “World Citizens” ~ Their concerns with the “power” of a dollar and American interests and values are in constant conflict.

      Do you ever feel that America has been sold out? That nagging feeling you’d rather ignore then address? So, ~ who do you think sold America out? ~ The middle class? The hard working underemployed poor? Or just the down and out poor?

      You tell me, ~ who is capable of selling us out? The Democrats, the DNC?

      Or just some politician with a perpetuity for the “good life” and for sell to the highest bidder? We can find such politicians on both side of the isle, but today, the GOP is clearly carrying water for the wealthy and affluent.

      Mich, doesn’t want to debate banking reform in public on the Senate floor for all to hear. Mich has found himself between a rock and a hard place. So he is left to only delay and throw “red herring” about.

      Do you really wonder why?

      • DaveH

        How many times must I post this for you folks that are under the delusion that the Democrat leaders don’t cater to the Wealthy?
        http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/10/13/the-rich-support-mccain-the-super-rich-support-obama/

        • DaveH

          When you have Politicians that are so focused on Other Peoples’ Money, how could you possibly expect them to be moral?

      • JeffH

        Bob Wire, I really dont care what you think nor will I waste my time reading your posts…

        • denniso

          Poor JeffH…he isn’t going to read someone’s comments. Now that’s mean and I’m sure will change the poster’s politics…

          • Palin12

            So what? I don’t read UnamLib’s posts either. Nothing to be gained reading posts from a jackass that was given AMNASTY from President Reagan.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

    How amusing that liberals would come to a conservative site and try to convince conservatives that what happened, is happening, and will happen is not as you have observed, see, or think will happen. Their revisionism, rose colored glasses for whats going on, and some cool-aid to get you ready for the future,is hillarious and unbelieveable. Is anyone really buying what you are selling? Well American Liberal and Big Bad john, good luck with it but I don’t really think they are. You have shown us your resolve though and made it clear that reason has no affect on you. One thing is sure though, and it is that this really isn’t about politics or leftist versus rightist, but about good against evil, you just got to determine which side you are and want to be on, and GOD will decide who is right. Conservative or liberal, you just have to look at what they really stand for, the methods they use and the results they procure to determine which is good and which is evil.

    • JeffH

      Randy, you’ve hit the nail on the head for sure…The liberal hate and vitriol has become a running joke.

      • Bob Wire

        Quote;”How amusing that liberals would come to a conservative site and try to convince conservatives that what happened, is happening, and will happen is not as you have observed, see, or think will happen”

        response; while not a “liberal”, what’s to be gained in bantering with someone that “agrees with you” what’s served, other then some erroneous form of twisted validation? We all enjoy having our cake and eating too! ~ but this fails to tax your mind and product good ideas or insightful visions and understand. Are you really “amuse” or just confused? Who enjoys dancing with a 800 lb, Gorilla ? Right? Another 800 lb Gorilla! So dance with me or walk away.

        Quote;”The liberal hate and vitriol has become a running joke.”

        Respond; Is “hate” the word you really wish to use or can you think of another word more suited and better describes the persons motive.

        Liberals are not known to be avid “haters” that’s more a characteristic right of center.

        Perhaps if you think about it more? Naw! why waste the time!

        • DaveH

          Obviously, Bob, you don’t pay much attention to political debates. The Conservatives are usually very reserved and factual, and the Liberals are usually making wild accusations or launching personal attacks. That is, when they’re not intently focused on relieving somebody else of their hard earned money.

          • denniso

            You’re lying again…it’s the ‘factual and reserved’ conservatives who have used terms like ‘death panels’, ‘killing grandma’, ‘Obama’s a communist’, ‘Obama wants to destroy America’, ‘unamerican’, ‘take them out’…and many more examples of hyperbole and fanatical lies and fearmongering. DaveH is a partisan sheep following Limbaugh and co
            for the simple reason of trying to regain power for the rightwingers, not for the good of the country…hypocrites all.

    • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

      Denniso see a response like that is just the reason we say that you leftist are full of manure. Every thing you said is pale compared to
      Tea baggers, Nazi groupes, Biting off people s fingers, saying that people Tea party participants said the “n” word when no one could come up with the proof that is was really said. Nancy P with her croc tears saying that she witnessed somethig like hate back in the day. She failed to also clarify that it was the liberals back in the day
      that caused the riots she was referencing. It’s quite alright to throw that race card from your camp. Its easy for the left to do that like they have the right to do that. The left promots the worst kind of fear mongering and racist views NOT the tea parties. You left mongrals are just so scared of the tea party movement that you have to discredit it any way you can. The Tea party movement will MOVE to the forfront and be the voice of reason and moral character and YES CHANGE.

      • denniso

        The only people afraid of the ‘tea party’ are the Repubs who are trying to ride the energy of it and also distance themselves from it for some of it’s hysterical behaviour and talk of violence and gun waving from the John Wayne wannabe’s…

        • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

          YOU ARE WORTHLESS. AND OH SO PATHETIC. WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING AND WHAT FAIRY WORLD HAVE YOU BEEN TELEPORTING YOURSELF TOO!!!

        • MPAT

          You know the problem with folks like Comrade Dennisio is they don’t seem to want to grow up. They expect someone to foot the bill for them thru life. They want to do their 8 and skate but are pissed that they can’t live like kings, something they feel they are owed. So they rant about those of us who are more motivated and are living better. They belive we should foot the bill for them. Perhaps Comrade Dinnisio would like the government to buy him or her a house, a car, pay for the kids college and all the other things Comrade Dennisio believes should be free in life. Only problem is it comes from someone elses pocket. Someone who doesn’t owe a damn thing. Grow up. Get a job. Quit bitching. This is the land of the free not the land of free.

          • denniso

            Who are you talking to? Not me, since you’re describing someone unfamiliar to me and my life. You have no clue and you’re not worth the effort to inform…

          • MPAT

            You know comrade your right. You don’t have ANYTHING to inform me about. I do suggest you get a job and get informed.

  • JPW-

    Randy; I must agree with you 100% you must decide which side you are on and GOD will decide who is right.Thank GOD we have President Obama he is the chosen one, even Sarah agrees.

    • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

      I hope that that was a sarcastic reply

      • cms

        Obama is the chosen one…The chosen ANTI-CHRIST! He has already told the people he is a Muslim…he hates America and wants to bring her down with her people….And he is doing it slow but sure…all of us will be in his fema camps within a year! How do you all like that?

  • eddie47d

    Dave H.; Fox spin news isn’t always factual and they do launch personal attacks. Not much different over at MSNBC, So what’s your point if both sides do it. I’d rather you’d stick to advertising for the Libertarian Party. That’s where you have credibility.

    • denniso

      Fox is mostly an obvious arm of the Repub party, any objective viewer knows that.
      The libertarian party is and will continue to be a fringe group w/ no credibility w/ most Americans who know the world is much too complex for simplistic statements. Though I can agree w/ a few of the tennets of the libertarians, overall they are lost in the 19th century when the world didn’t even resemble today.
      But the one good thing about them is that they siphon off energy and voters from the Repubs since they are more Repub-like than not.

      • A DEMOCRAT NO MORE

        MSMBC IS AN OBVIOUS ARM OF THE LEFTIST PROGRESSIVE SOCIALIST DEM PARTY
        ANY OBJECTIVE VIEWER KNOWS THAT.

        • denniso

          Can’t you come up w/ anything original?

      • Obskeptic

        The world may be different from the 19th century, and the technology we enjoy, but humanity is not. That is where you folks on the left fail to understand the dangers of so much power over the individual by the state. That is what the founders tried to protect us from, and we have failed to preserve that. In the thousands of years we have recorded mans existence here on earth, freedom and liberty for the individual has only existed for roughly 210 years. Once it is lost, don’t expect anyone to be able to bring it back!

  • Palin12

    My dogs are much smarter than the illegal aliens.

  • coal miner

    Denniso-liberal,

    Have you heard?There is another mining disaster, two killed in western Kentucky.Those who said that it is not the mine owners fault,all I can say,both males and females,you are lower than the scab mine owners.We need strong unions now.Lives are too precious to loose.

    • JeffH

      knock knock….whoe’s there…nobody!…nobody who?…nobody who gives a damn about coal scabbers

      • denniso

        These companies make billions of $ and put safety behind prifit and usually underpay the workers in one of the tougest and dirtiest jobs there is…shame.

        • denniso

          ‘prifit’?? no, profit.

        • JeffH

          I didn’t know you were an expert like coal scabber about the economics and working coditions od the coal companies? Tell me more please?

        • Jim H.

          Denniso, People go to these companies and apply for these jobs.If they are so under payed, exploited and in so much danger, why do they stay. They can leave any time, they weren’t sold into slavery. You make it sound like anybody who has an employee makes a profit off the backs of these poor exploited workers. The owners are the ones who take the risk of starting a business, buy the equipment, and do the sales to get things started and then give the people in the community a job. Why do you vilify these people. It makes you sound like the petty, jealous, Marxist that you are.

          • JeffH

            Just an old anti-capitalist still living in the 60′s. Let’s hear what denisso screams when Obama has him tossed in one of the Fema Camps.

          • denniso

            Ok geniuses…when was the last time that a millionaire coal mine owner died in a mine explosion? Never, you say?
            There is almost never such a glut of good and safe and well paying jobs that people can pick and choose what job they want…most of the time most people are forced into jobs that underpay and are maybe very dangerous. You guys live in a fairy tale where everybody is totally free to do anything they please w/ no constraints at all.
            Get real….

      • coal miner

        (offensive words removed) At least I put all my kids through college except one.I am also putting my grand-daughter through medical school,you sure couldn’t.Still living off others and the state?(offensive words removed. Go get your food stamps.Scabs are the lowest thing on earth.They contribute nothing except being in the way.Jack London.

        • JeffH

          What goes around comes around…you should know better than to use offensive language…you…you…coal scabber…you!

  • JPW-

    Palin 13; You stated “My dogs are much smarter than illegal aliens”That sounds so silly your first name must be Sarah.Your dogs I’m sure have you beat in intellect.Why pick on people when their down and out?You should start going to church and learn to treat your fellow man with respect.

    • Palin12

      I don’t respect people whose whole goal in life is to illegally cross our borders and then have their little anchor babies to get them on welfare. Oh and that was so much fun, let’s do it again…and again…and again!

      • denniso

        I wonder…do you mind the millions of white American citizens who have baby after baby and get tax credits for them and wind up paying NO taxes because of all the deductions??? Antonin Scalia, on the supreme court, has 9 kids…he probably pays no or little in taxes. The mormons, evangelical Christians and others believe they should have as many kids as possible…in the process sucking up 10 times the resources of the average American and paying no taxes or collecting welfare for all the kids…is that OK w/ you?

    • toni ellingworth

      YOU… JPW are the type of cancers growing in this country that needs to go .”People down and out” look around you look at your own countrymen .I really doubt that you are born on this side of the fence . Makes me sick that after all the blood that has been shed for this country . Don’t even think of the thousands apon thousands just think of just ONE that waisted his blood for the likes of someone like you and the other that think like you do ! What a waist !!!

  • Ed Epps

    What would you give to be just a little bit whiter????

  • JPW-

    It’s so sad when you repukes and teabaggers have to resort to name calling.Cheer up already we now have the greatest president you will ever see in your lifetime so sit back and enjoy.

    • Jim H.

      JPW, Do you just say outrages things and see what response you get, or are you really that stupid?

    • Kgharts

      Since I don’t know you, and you have convinced me I don’t care to. you appear to be dilusional, probing, or actually scared and afraid to admit it, even to yourself. Sometimes, people such as yourself respond with a false feeling of confidence when confronted with overwhelming fear and a hint that they may be wrong and can’t bear it. It shows by how out of touch and stupid your responses are.
      You wouldn’t be trying to provoke because of a deep hated for the thinking class, would you?

      I suggest finding another web site, or a doctor. Which ever keeps you the furthest from this one. You obvously don’t belong on this site.

    • Robert Moon

      This post from JPW must be a joke “the greatest president in our lifetime” He must be talking about Reagan and we already knew he was the greatest president in modern history. This moron who lives in the White House now is scary at best. Never in history have I witnessed a president who constantly alienates 1/2 of the American people. Obama is doing to us what all good communists dictators are taught to do. Divide and Conquer. Obama has attempted to cause divisions between everyone. Rich v poor, Black v White, Hispanic v White, South v North, workers v non-workers, plus he’s attacked bankers, investors, mortgage companies, taxpayers, CEO’s, business owners and any other difference or title he can exploit. Obama has destroyed the domestic auto industry, real estate business, investing, health care, and he’s working to ruin the petroleum industry. Obama has spent more money than all other presidents combined without creating one single job. Obama has never held real job in his life.

      • denniso

        Really??? Your ignorance is flabbergasting at best and idiotic at worst. You’ve ‘never seen a prez who has alienated 1/2 of the country’??? Where were you a couple of yrs ago? Asleep at the wheel? drunk? Stupid? Your pal Bush had the lowest poll numbers in modern history…he alienated more than 2/3 of the country. Please do some homework before you spout more nonsense…you’re embarassing…

    • jerrichard11

      Sorry to see you have lost your mind to obama fever. I just hope you get the treatment you need in the fall of this year and don’t have to wait until your healthcare kicks in,in 2014.
      also I will say a prayer for your lost soul.I hopes this helps satisfy the craving you have for attention and controversy.
      P.S.The person that you call” greatest”is actually the absolute worst bigot we have ever had in the Whitehouse.He and his wife are the most racist people I have seen in that position.

    • MPAT

      Greatest president? You seem to have a very low set of public school standards. I’m not even a teabagger and I know better.

    • Ted P.

      Jpw, you are correct, LBO, is the GREATEST LIAR OF ALL TIMES.
      HE SHURE PUT BILL CLINTON IN SECOND PLACE REAL FAST.
      ARE YOU A MUSLIM ? OR DO YOU HAVE ANY BELIEFS OTHER THAN MIS_GUIDED ONES ?

      Obama is also a RACEIST because he constantly claims to be BLACK and completly overl-looks the fact that he is only HALF BLACK.

      This so-called man is just a DECIPLE OF SATAN.
      thanks:
      t.p.

      • denniso

        Why don’t you go back to your KKK club and keep your foul and ignorant mouth shut…

  • terry

    Think I got here alot late, anyway, Dont recall who said it but I think very profound ie: THE GREATNESS OF A COUNTRY CAN BE MEASURED BY THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN VERSES THE AMOUNT TRYING TO GET OUT! And we shal get back to that in nov. to start, then onward to 2012

  • JPW-

    toni eworthless;Born in the USA my family has been involved in WW2 Korea and Nam.I believe you may be hiding the fact you happened to sneak across the border.It does’nt appear to me you have an American education.Adios for now

    • toni ellingworth

      — off jpw ! No time for bed wetting thumb suckers . You really don’t impress me and it looks like I’m not alone on that thought .

  • Dennis C.

    Seems, fairly obvious; Obama was born in Kenya.

  • Sandra Perry

    As Abe lincolyn said, we the people run the government we do not run the government to over throw the government but, to over throw the PERVERTS that run the government.

  • JPW-

    Sandra Perry; Itotally agree that’s why we have to get rid of John Ensign O Toole after his vacation in the Hampton,Mark Sanford after his vacation on the Appalacian trail Vitter now that his back from the red light district,ban Latty Craig from airport bathrooms,have Newt the lizard keep it zipped and the list goes on and on.There are republicans and there are repukes.We have a lot of voting to do . Thank You

  • Sandra Perry

    What I am saying is the people need to take back the government and stop letting them take over everthing. What the government is doing is called new world order. Jesus needs to be put back into it all. I know now what Jesus meant when he told the woman that was crying at his feet when he was carrying his cross, do not cry for me woman, cry for your children. Sitting here giving our comments to each other is not going to help anything except make us feel better. Everyone has to make a move together, but, no one will.No one wants to get involved, this country is not one anymore it is divided. The Japanese said a long time ago that they would take the united states over from the inside without firing a shot and its getting close.

    • denniso

      There is no ‘new world order’ and thankfully the constitution,which you probably pretend to love, prohibits Jesus or Mohamed or Zeus from being injected into our public life.
      What are you planning to take the country back from? The 21st century?

  • Sandra Perry

    Denniso, you cannot see the forest for the trees, the 21st century has not anything to do with what is happening in this world today, the 21st century is better t.v. cell phones, wii, kids sitting in front of t.v. all day, nothing to do with the evil and corruption all over, yes things can be changed….

  • http://mog7@cox.net Muriel P. Goyette

    Aw shucks, “dog” and whoa! we’re in the vet’s office. Don: agreed term limits are the only way to go. We might sacrifice a few on this alter, but avoid decades of corruption in the long run. No third party to spit the vote. Just make sure the person elected represents THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA. AMERICA….wouldn’t that be novel? Represents…as opposed to making decisions, PARACHUTING TO, the citizens of USA. Who said Dems are laughing? Are you all living in caves? The WORLD is laughing at a country who rewards invaders and has no authority over its borders and supports illegals in American prisons, who have murdered, raped and robbed. Foreigners are aghast at the uncontrolled chaos, and ask: Good Lord. Where are the brains of this outfit?
    Claire, you have the POWER. Do your research and take that POWER in the voting booth. In that voting booth, Claire, AMERICANS CAN STILL CONTROL THIS COUNTRY. Use that voting power while you still have it.
    God be with you, dear and who could possibly prevail against? Faith can make dust of this mountain.

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