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World War III With Fiat!

November 22, 2010 by  

World War III With Fiat!

Let’s talk about a new definition of war.

If you sat in the brain trust of the inner sanctum of the World Order, how would you plan and create war? You would first move in the exoteric (the visible). You would create a shooting war with all the trappings of the propaganda of “terrorism” and conventional war hardware such as men, guns, tanks, airplanes and so on, ad infinitum. Sort of like what’s going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Your soldiers, guns and equipment are expendable because they only cost fiat, which costs you nothing. But you would program all the accountants and the talking heads about how outrageous the cost of war is, and they would transfer this thought to the people. You absolutely don’t want the people to know that you create war with fiat. They just might liquidate their paper money in favor of gold.

We just must have a “national debt” to mask the printing press and the truth that Ponzi finance is fraud from its inception, and there is never any intention to pay anybody.

Historically, fiat is a confidence game. But if handled perfectly, the people never know — at least not until the last stages when paper money collapses — and the middle class is impoverished and greed is at its apex. All this is becoming visible now to some people.

This is the exoteric, the visible.

Now the esoteric: This is the hidden war.

What about a war on the whole world? An invisible war that not one in 10 million could discern. Certainly no nation would blow the whistle lest they get the economic slats pulled from under them. Yes, this is war for economic gain… for trillions of dollars. This is the finale! This war is invisible and super-secret.

The Iraq war and the Afghanistan war are decoys. They are the wooden ducks.

The fact is, if the ruling powers revealed what they are doing, just a very few would understand, and most wouldn’t care as long as they could have their six-pack and TV so they could watch their football game or American Idol.

What we have here is the perfect crime to cap off the worldwide fiat system.

The purpose of this secret war is the plan for the flow of wealth from the people of the United States and the people of the world to the elite owners and rulers of the world — the money creators. The method and mechanism of the transfer is organized depreciation of the purchasing power of paper money. Has tribute ever had an equal?

A 100-year foundation of confidence in paper money is the platform for the final and greatest deception — the rip-off!

Depreciation of the currency is direct war on all dollar holders worldwide. No soldiers, no guns, no tanks, no budgets, no charges of crime, no fear of the press, no public outcry. The fox is in charge of the henhouse but the hens are unaware. In fact, they are unaware that they are unaware.

Oh, the foxes, they don’t talk about printing money. They call it “quantitative easing.” They are “easing” millions of people into poverty.

This final world war will leave millions and millions destitute and in poverty. Only a few will know what happened. The rest will slink about in their misery, trying to eke out a living or find a morsel of bread.

Is there anybody out there who doesn’t understand that if you keep pouring water in the milk, you finally have all water? This is how fiat finally destroys all savings and purchasing power.

All that is necessary is to keep printing new money and call it “quantitative easing.” The more paper money spewed out, the more worthless each one of those paper dollars in your pocket, or your mattress, or your “bank account,” or your retirement funds. What do we call this? A cruel hoax.

Yes, the modern alchemists have taken nothing, multiplied to infinity and transferred to themselves the wealth of the world.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • JeffH

    18 January 1920, The New York Times wrote: “The Federal Reserve is the fount of credit, not of capital.” This meant that Reserve notes, instead of being backed by precious metal or other suitable commodity which would provide capital funds for the betterment of industry and commerce, are backed by paper loaned at interest.

    J.P Morgan and one-sixth of the total wealth of the world were represented at the Jekyll Island Club, which excluded the Rockefeller group and the Rothschilds European financiers, proceeded to draft the basic plan for the Federal Reserve System with five objectives:
    1. Stop the growing competition from the nation’s newer banks.
    2. Obtain a franchise to create money out of nothing, for the purpose of lending.
    3. Get control of the reserves of all the banks.
    4. Get the taxpayer to pick up the cartel’s inevitable losses.
    5. Convince Congress that the purpose of the FRS was to protect the public.

    Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, 1944, the first United
    Nations International Monetary Conference where the final
    agreement was hammered out for the post-war New World Order under which in due course there would be a further massive shift in power out of the hands of nation states and democratic governments and into the hands of banks and transnational corporations.

    The creation of the all-powerful International Monetary Fund, US Federal Reserve System and the World Bank have put most of the so-called Third World into extreme debt. It has been said that the WB and IMF “have arguably done more harm to more people than any other non-military institutions in history. As Jesse Jackson put it in 1993: “They no longer use bullets and ropes. They use the World Bank and the IMF.”
    Between 1982 and 1990, debtor countries paid back more than $1,300 billion but began the nineties 61 percent more in debt than they were in 1992. Sub-Saharan African debt alone increased by 113 percent.” In 1993, for every one pound given in aid, rich nations took back 3 pounds in debt payments. Nigerian writer and environmentalist, Ken Saro-Wiwa, roundly condemned the World Bank’s position: The World Bank has to accept that its real instrument of torture is its insistence on growth, its economic theorising at the expense of human welfare… The sooner debtor nations realise the political nature of the World Bank, the sooner they will be able to face the bogus economic theories of the Bank with an equivalent weapon -people’s power.

    The IMF was never designed to help the Third World or end poverty. It
    was established by the Bretton Woods conference of 1944 to restore
    economic and financial order to the Western world. There was no element of compassion for humanity in its formulation. The Fund’s aim is first and foremost to assure the interests of developed countries. We make or break human life every day of every year as probably no other force has ever done in the past or will ever do again.

    The Secret Agenda of the Global Elite’s plan following World War II:
    To introduce a world authority called the United Nations (with
    associated bodies like the World Health Organisation), which could
    evolve into a world government with powers to control the lives of
    everyone on the planet.

    To continue to cause conflicts across the world and to use the fear of the Soviet Union to massively increase spending on nuclear weapons and ‘conventional’ weapons, thus adding to the terror of nuclear war and demands for global security. To set up an American-European defence alliance (which was called the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO)) and a United Nations ‘peace’keeping force, which, through the engineering of conflicts, would eventually be fused together to form the world army.

    To create three ‘free trade’ regions in Europe, the Americas, and Asia, which would be sold to people initially as merely economic groupings. Gradually, however, these would be evolved into a centralised political unions, with one central bank and one currency. These would be stepping-stones to the introduction of the same institutions on a global scale. The European Economic Community, now the European Union, was the first of these, but the other two are now underway also.

    To advance the control of public opinion and to research and expand the understanding of how to manipulate the human psyche, individually and collectively. Today this agenda includes the microchipping of people and their permanent connection to a global computer.

    To create a welfare state while destroying alternatives to the economic system and, when the desired dependency had been achieved, to dismantle that state welfare support, so creating a vast underclass without help or hope.

    To make fantastic amounts of money in the course of realising all these ambitions via the Elite-controlled companies and banks.

    To continually add to the debt burden of people, business, and state,
    thus increasing the control exerted over them.

    The approach which was followed to hoodwink public thinking was
    painfully predictable, but highly effective: Discredit the nation state. This was laid out during the War by the German economist and refugee, Hans Heymann, who produced his Plan for Permanent Peace using funds given by… the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

    • valricoslash

      Great synopsis. I must have missed this in History and Economics class. No, wait, they never taught it. Funny how some things go when it comes to history. It changes depending on who is teaching it through carefully selected readings to guide the student to one po9nt of view. Academia is not interested in present two sides of history only the one that they support. , e.g., the spat last month over the History conference in Hawaii where the speakers were revising the causes of WW II. I would be inerested int he source material for this synopsis because it makes sense to me.

      • UncleOtto

        Are you trying to say that History is made up of 2 words;HIS-STORY? How very astute of you!!

        • http://micosoft dean munson

          Oboma has sent alot but Bush
          waste more on the war at lest
          oboma is thying to get the country
          back running agian

          • jimbo

            Dean, you can’t even spell or submit a cohesive sentence. Bush’s spending was over an 8yr period; so far in less than 2yrs, Obummer has outspent Bush 6 fold! And Bush had 9/11 and Iraq to deal with! Obummer has got to go; he is NOT trying to get America anywhere but dead…and damned if he isn’t doing a bang up job.

          • JeffH

            Why is it that a lot of the pro Obama and “blame Bush” posts are in broken english? The invasion continues, even through our PC’s.

          • Joyce from Loris

            Where are you from?

          • Randy

            Osama won the war he was trying to inflict on America. The first thing we as Americans should have done is re-build the twin towers as they were, but a bit stronger. It would be a message to the extremist that you can attack us, but we will not change for you. However we played right into their hands. We acted as if the world had come to an end, just what they wanted. We changed our laws and reduced freedom of American citizens. We acted as if we feared them. We should have re-built as if nothing happened. They made a great statement by taking down the towers. Every movie I see showing the towers I say before 9/11. Point made, they changed America.

          • Denniso

            JeffH…great treatise you posted above. Great if you’re in the 6th grade,that is. You can’t really believe half of what you write,can you? Why don’t you leave the heavy lifting of figuring out the complicated world to those who have actually been trained to do it?

            And,can’t you imagine that the internet is ‘world wide’ and most of the world does not speak english as a first language? But go ahead and show your provincial attitude and thus ignorance to all of us w/ that sort of comment about someone’s english…how’s your german,spanish,norwegian???

          • JeffH

            Denniso, you’ve forced me into it. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…BITE ME! I really don’t give a rats arse what you think about anything.

          • paul couch

            Munson
            You are an idiot.

          • JC

            Munson, a 4 year old can work out that Obama is destroyiong the country. He despises us American Infidels. And we despise him right back. :)

          • Denniso

            You guys are ‘thinking’ like 4 yr olds. Come on guys,quit following your corporate masters and doing their bidding while believing that you’re true patriots leading the charge against tyranny. You’re being duped by people who want to demolish gov’t so they can operate as they wish and pile up more money. Your corporate masters are laughing at you all the way to the bank.

          • JC

            You haven’t exactly been paying attention to what it is we’re against have you Denniso. Either that or you’re a straight up Propogandist.

          • Denniso

            Sorry that you’re too dense and too indoctrinated to understand what is really going on…pitiable,and such a waste of energy and time. Oh,that’s right,your time is worth nothing.

          • JC

            Poor Denniso, so childish.
            Why yes as a matter of fact I AM indoctinated. I am indoctrinated to the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. I am an American Patriot.
            And that’s the one thing you just can’t stand because you are a communist who’s value system does not include Americanism.

          • denniso

            J C…sorry to inform you,but it doesn’t take much thinking to know what you zealots are against. Pretty much anything that your puppet masters tell you to be against. The puppeteers are most ‘conservative’ politicians who take their orders from corporate dictates,some church leaders who are afraid of diversity,the NRA who helps the gun makers make a fortune off the fear and stupidity peddled to people like you and just regular Repub politicians winning elections by keeping you rabble stirred up. It’s all prety obvious to anyone not blinded by loyalty to one master or another.

          • denniso

            Such a fine,fuzzy and meaningless word,patriot. Because you like the constitution and bill of rights you think you’re a patriot? What about hating your president and saying he’s not your president,does that make you a patriot? Wasn’t Obama elected by the majority of citizen voters? You and your buddies here sound more like traitors when you call for revolution and armed violence against the elected gov’t. You stay silent when a poster here gives McVeigh credit for fighting the evil gov’t and murdering hundreds of little kids in their daycare,and you think your a patriot? What a freaking joke!
            None of these loudmouths echoing you,Limbaugh,Beck and Savage, are patriots…more like demented thugs.

        • Zeromonet

          Denniso, you are a fool. Many here are not corporate lap dogs but job creators unlike those in the O administration that have never worked a real job in their lives outside of politics…

          • Denniso

            Do you know,zeromind,that most politicians have had real jobs? Because many were never self employed,as I am,doesn’t mean they didn’t have real jobs,it’s just that your definition of real job is as narrow as your ‘thinking’ is.

    • Al Sieber

      Good post Jeff, lots of info, thanks.

      • HFlashman

        Yeah..he can cut and paste from wacked websites with the best of ‘em….

        • Bruce D.

          HFlashman is your Marxist belief so strong that you reject all knowledge of the force behind it. I think you are a true believer and want to preserve the slight of hand technique use to impose a sytem that few would want if they understood the outcome. Government redistribution always leads to abuse of power by government. To control abuse of power by government you have to control their access to money. Redistribution gives government unlimited power to raise money from higher taxes, borrowing, and when that runs out simply print it. Money and redistribution gives government the power to buy votes and justify more control and power over those who they are suppose to be serving. Socialism leads to the stagnation and eventually the demise society and not to its betterment.

          • Denniso

            Redistribution?? Are you alluding to the past 30 yrs with the top 5% or so of the country seeing much higher incomes while the middle class has watched their incomes stay flat w/ no real gain and the poor increasing by the millions? Is that what you’re complaining about? Or are you mad that the billionaires haven’t become trillionaires yet so we should do everything we can to work toward that goal? Surely you study and pay attention enough to have the facts to know what national incomes have done for some decades…right?

          • Bruce D.

            Denniso stop feeling sorry for yourself. If you want wealth start a business and create it. Be aware you may have to work twice as hard as you do now to make that business successful. Dividing up the money does not create more wealth for people, it leads to a stagnation in society and the creation of wealth. Stop spending so much time trying to figure out how to steal other peioples money through the confiscation of wealth and put that time into creating some of your own. Once you have a business if you want you can divide up the profits equally with your employees. That is your business. Stop trying to get government to steal money under the guise of fairness. It only leads to government power over the people and a decrease in productivity and wealth for society.

          • Vicki

            Denniso says:
            “Redistribution?? Are you alluding to the past 30 yrs with the top 5% or so of the country seeing much higher incomes while the middle class has watched their incomes stay flat w/ no real gain and the poor increasing by the millions?”

            We are objecting to the redistribution that liberals advocate. They take our wealth at (government) gunpoint and redistribute it to their friends. Most recent historical examples being Obama’s Administration.

            Redistribution of wealth to those who create/produce is the moral way. No force involved. Denniso should start his own business and create some wealth instead of always trying to take it from us.

          • JC

            So what’s your point Denniso two wrongs make a right?
            Thank you for yet another Liberal observation.

          • JC

            Hey Vicki,

            here’s how “redistribution” really works and has been working since 1913.

            Quantitative Easing Explained.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k&feature=share

          • Denniso

            I’ve been in business for 40 yrs,and I’m doing fine. Again,you rightwingers make the wrong assumption that if someone stands up for the middle class and the poor,then that person must be poor…it shows your typically shallow thinking,or lack of. It also betrays the ‘thinking’ of most conservatives,that they can’t imagine someone else defending working people because they don’t.

            Gov’t policy has always done much to affect who gets rich and what industries do well and wage levels for working people. Trade deals,war and the contracts that go along with it,tax policy, and the general health of th economy. The wealthy and big biz have the most power in controlling gov’t policy usually w/ their financial self interest in mind… working people and especially lower income workers have almost no power to change policy to their own benefit,so the wealth tends to rise to the top,as we’ve seen for 30 yrs.

            It isn’t the hand of God,or the ‘free market’ that decides these things,it’s people w/ power pulling strings connected to the power structure.

            Don’t be so naive,while being jacked around by your corporate handlers.

          • Bruce D.

            If you have a business Denniso how much do you pay your workers. Do you put your money where your mouth is. Do you divide the profits equally with them?

          • Denniso

            Who said that I have to divide the profits w/ all the workers? I’m a capitalist who belives in treating workers well and fairly and that we need a large enough gov’t to balance the power of the bi corporations and wealthy class. Got it?

            You talk,but what is it that you’ve done for a living? Let me guess…like many on here whining about big,bad gov’t,you’ve worked in gov’t or off of gov’t contracts your whole life.

          • Bruce D.

            Denniso you are way off base claiming people here work for government or off government contracts. it is possible but not likely. You are just talking for the sake of talking. The rich pay over 50% of their earnings in taxes if you include federal, state, and local. It is very similar to stealing to ask them to pay more. More than likely few on this site are rich but object to it on principle because they do not like government theft. On the other hand you do like government theft. You act like it is your right to take their money. It becomes a problem for freedom loving people when the government has access to too much money. They buy votes with it to increase their power and control over the citizens. Lower the amount of taxes they collect and you strip them of their power to control.

          • Vicki

            Denniso writes:
            “I’m a capitalist who belives in treating workers well and fairly and that we need a large enough gov’t to balance the power of the bi corporations and wealthy class. Got it?”

            So it IS all about class envy. Well your other opinions including wanting a big corporation to come in at gunpoint and enforce YOUR idea of well and fairly on corporations to big to be forced by you directly, show that you maybe many things but capitalist is not one of them.
            Socialist maybe.

          • Bruce D.

            Denniso I started to think about you accusing people here of working for government. You are not being honest with yourself or anyone else. It is you and your Obama people who want big government and the expansion of government jobs. The Stimulus was all about government payouts and contracts and creating government jobs. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you believe in what you are saying you should not have to talk out of both sides of your mouth to defend it. When you get to the point where you cannot defend your position anymore do not go to the double talk. Just give it up and learn from the experience.

          • denniso

            You won’t tell us what you do/did for a living? I’m not ‘accusing’ people of working for the gov’t,I’m accusing them of hypocrisy when they work for a gov’t entity or get gov’t contracts and then complain about the big,bad gov’t. It’s typically true of many whiners about the gov’t,is it true of you too? Why don’t you answer the question?

          • denniso

            Bruce D…you mentioned above that the rich pay 50% of their income in taxes…not true. But,you should know that a single lower and middle income worker does pay about 50% in all taxes and more when you toss in health insurance. You should also know that the wealthy hire pricey tax accountants who find ways to avoid taxes…one obvious way is that they can give money to charities of their choice to cut their tax liability. There are plenty of loopholes that help them in other ways. The Rich can also live in a multi million $ house and deduct the mortgage payment off their gross income. Most lower and many middle income people can’t afford a high enough mortgage to be able to deduct it.

            Your sympathy for the poor rich is touching,but just a little misguided…though I’m sure they will appreciate your standing up for them in their tough struggles to make it in the world.

          • Bruce D.

            Denniso I am by trade a carpenter as was my father. I read over your last two answers and feel you are only a spin artist with your facts. You along with the left should stop lusting after other peoples’ money. To do that you would have to find happiness within your own person. You believe in expanding government and I believe in contracting it to limit its power. Socialists have no problem with government in their face so they choose government handouts over original intent of Constitutional restricting government power.

          • Denniso

            Bruce D…I’m also a carpenter and builder,as well as an architect/engineer. I would guess that you have worked on gov’t jobs in your career. Where you get the idea that I and other liberals want a ‘bigger’ gov’t is beyond me. Where have i ever said that I want a larger gov’t than we now have? Nowhere! What I and others believe is that we need a gov’t large enough to balance the power that large international corporation have and that they often use against the working people and the environment…what do you think BP would have done if our gov’t hadn’t had the clout to force them to pay out billions to damaged people and businesses in the Gulf this past summer? Do you think they would even have worked to stop the leak once it became clear that it would cost them a fortune? No…We want a gov’t large enough to be able to provide a reasonable level of national defense,state and local police protection,fire depts and keep up our road system,w/o which our economy would really grind to a halt.

            All you have to do is read some history of the 1800′s and early 1900′s to see what happens w/o a gov’t that is big enough to fight for people,workers, and the environment that we depend on.

            Most liberals/progressives don’t want a gov’t any larger than it has to be to accomplish things that private biz can’t or won’t do,or to remedy what big biz messes up.

            ‘Conservatives’ are always screaming that they want smaller gov’t,yet seldom specify what they think we can do w/o,and never come up w/ a definition of what ‘smaller’ means. Smaller than what? Smaller than the gov’t that Reagan grew larger and the one that doubled the debt in 8 yrs of Bush?? Smaller than Bush’s medicare drug plan that will cost a measely trillion $$? Why don’t you people ever condemn those big gov’t programs that are pushed by Repubs?

            Now, I just spent 15 mins on this,but I expect you’ll ignore it like most Repubs do, but how about you break w/ that typical pattern and address my comment in some detail,rather than just spouting cliches and not addressing specifics?

          • Bruce D.

            Denniso I have never worked on a government project and I have no idea why you draw that conclusion as everything I say supports lower taxes and smaller government. I just don’t get it. BP would have paid out if Obama was not involved as the courts would have settled it as they did in the Alaska spillage. Obama was just grandstanding. If you are a builder you know how much local government red tape is involved in doing anything. The long waits at the building department. If the government reviewer goes on vacation the blueprints are left sitting on his desk for three weeks with nothing being done. To go back to Reagan and ignore what is happening today means that you are an ideolgue and not interested in meaningful communication. Higher taxes for the rich, which I am not, is theft pure and simple. Anyone advocating that coverts other peoples wealth and advocates the government steal it from them. There are enough laws on the books to prevent crime. The problem is the government is selective in how they enforce the laws as in Charlie Rangel’s case. A slap on the risk is not good enough. I do not think I can get through to you so I am not going to respond to everything you say. I can assure you we have little if anything in common. I will leave you with the thought that government is much too powerful and needs to be dismantled by at least 25%. To get access time with a politician such as Democrat Alcee Hastings you need to comtribute to his campaign. This is political extortion and what corrupts government. People like Alcee Hastings force Corporations and individuals to give them money to have a say in the outcome of legislation. The Tea Party has change that some and has given every day poeple, who want fairness but who do not want government exceding their power, a say without intrution in private lives and businesses. Earmarks are also political coruption as they are used to buy votes.

          • Denniso

            I guessed that you have a gov’t job or connection because many retired workers do. So it’s the hypocrisy of those people who complain loudest about the gov’t that I find disgusting.

            Do you know that the Repub Senate leader McConnell has done almost exactly the same thing as Rangel,using his position to solicit $$ for an organization that benefits him politically.

            You suggest we cut gov’t by 25%…so are you willing to cut the military by that amount? Do you know that military spending is the largest piece of the budget except for SS,Medicare,Medicaid and debt payments?

            We have crumbling roads and bridges all over the country…are you going to let them crumble at a faster rate by spending 25% less.

            We have 45million people who can’t afford health insurance and tens of millions more who have paltry insurance. You think that’s acceptable in the richest country in the history of the world?

            We have a progressive tax system,that’s why the rich pay a higher % than workers do. The rich are still,amazingly,rich after they pay their taxes,while working people struggle to pay their taxes and offer a decent life to their kids. Have you heard of the concept of disposable income? It’s the amount of an income left after paying for everything it takes just to stay alive and go to work…rent,mortgage,food,clothing,auto,utilities,taxes…A worker making $50,000/yr has maybe $5,000 left over if he’s lucky and depending on where he lives. If he pays maybe $4,000 in fed taxes(probably more),then he is effectively paying at a 80% rate,based on his disposable income. If a wealthy person has a million $$ in income,he is left w/ maybe $650,000 in disposable income and paid roughly $300,000 in fed tax…so his tax rate would be about 45% on his disposable income. So, who’s getting robbed?

            Most working people pay a much higher tax, based on their disposable income,than do the wealthiest Americans. That’s what’s not fair.

            That’s because the standard deduction and exemption amounts on the tax form that most people use to come up w/ their taxable income haven’t come close to keeping up w/ real living costs…so we have most people spending most of what they make just to stay alive and to pay their taxes,while the wealthy essentially pay no real tax burden,using the common definition of the word ‘burden’. Like I said before,the rich easily manage to stay rich even after paying their apparently higher %. It’s an example of how numbers can lie or twist the truth of an issue.

            I assume you know that people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet advocate higher taxes on themselves and their fellow rich.

        • Zeromonet

          Denniso. You can honestly back O and say he is taking over car companies and banks and then say he is protecting capitalism? Doh, I call it socialism! Government intrusion into private companies IS Socialism!

          • Denniso

            Your ‘zero’ must stand for zero thinking…

          • Vicki

            Reading comprehension. O!=0 not in ascii, not in ebsidc and not in English.

    • Hariprakash

      Alot of what you say is on the mark except that you are ignoring the fact of real extremist terrorism, political radical Islamism that has an agenda different than those outlined here or maybe both, the elites bent on forming a one world and the Islamists are using each other as to what Lenin called “useful idiots”. I think NATO had a real purpose and served peace during the cold war but I do think that the EU and the other economic unions around the world could be dangerously transformed into a political monster. The UN has become a platform for dictators and human rights abusing nations to selectively and with the power of the UN stamp behind it move against the West,the US, Israel and the hopeless and helpless throughout the world. When you see Iran, Libya and China positioned for positions overseeing human rights of other countries than the problem becomes obvious. Take one look at the UN council and ideology on population control which President Obama supports and you will see something you thought existed only on B rated science fiction horror shows. The UN has become a force for evil and in its push for a one world government, all peoples too poor or on the outside of their agenda is expendable. Israel produces the most innovative and advanced medical technology, cell phone technology, computer technology, irrigation technology and overall innovations that uplift humanity and help the billions of people on the planet achieve a better life. This is why the UN and the other countries seek to destroy Israel. Israel is protecting the children of the West and uplifting and helping all humanity throughout Africa and the world. Political Radical Extremism is a useful tool to try to put out the light of freedom and true democracy in the middle east and of course a great tool to destroy the constitutional freedoms of the US. Islamism is a real factor whether the so called Elites are using it or not. As there never was a Palestinian Arab in history no culture no existance and after WWll a Palestinian Arab entity was formed to combat and destroy the always existant Israel, what were the elites thinking about this? Since this extremism is real!

      • home boy

        there is one little bit of info you don’t seem to know and that is the governments thru the U.N. are planning to shut down and destroy all religion. when that happens along with everything else they will control everything. the governments of the world are going to give the U.N. their power for a very short time to do this destruction. read your bible. revelation 17and 18. babylon the great the harlot has deceived all by playing with the government and big buisness for the last time.

        • Denniso

          Bob Livingston…You’re at it again. Why do you feel the need to stoke the childish fantasies of your readers rather than inform them w/ facts and reality? You are playing right into the fear and ignorance of so many who combine the bible w/ faulty economic reasoning and doomesday predictions to arrive at ridiculous and way off base conclusions. You are doing an extreme disservice in what should be a search for truth and honesty when trying to figure out the complex world we live in. Your simplistic conclusions do fit nicely into many nonsensical views held by people conditioned to jump to simple and quick conclusions,but you have to know that what you lay out is not only wrong,but harmful to reason and logic.

          Some of the absurd thoughts from posters above…

          1.Create a welfare state to instill dependence,then pull it out from under people to create a poverty wracked underclass.

          2.The ‘elites’ and Islamic terrorists are using each other in a war against we the people.

          3.The governments, thru the U.N., are working to shut down religion in the interest of taking over absolutely everything.

          Now really, why would you want to spark such nonsense from your readers and lead them into such absurd fantasy,rather than trying to educate them and maybe improve the country and world? You can’t believe this baloney,so my only guess is you have no problem whipping up such hysteria and clap trap in the interest of furthering your own political position. Why not be straight w/ your followers instead of playing them like suckers,as you accuse others of doing?

          • jimbo

            Dennis, the quotes you are using are not from Livingston but from a poster (are you this deluded?) And the poster’s thoughts are not far from correct. Look around (unless you live under a rock) and you can see what this administration has done to Christianity (no national day of prayer, no prayer breakfast at the Whitehouse…but the Whitehouse DID host an islamic Ramadan dinner)

            You can also see that creating a socialistic culture MUST be the goal of this administration or we would not have this dreadful ‘Affordable Health Care’ package rammed down our throats (or was it shoved up our ars?)

            Wake up Dennis!

          • JeffH

            jimbo, save your breath…Denniso has always swallowed the “Kool-Aid” ,if you will, hook, line and sinker.

          • Dave in SoCal

            Dennis,

            Your powers of deduction are obviously lacking. Do us all a favor and read more.

          • Richard Pawley

            While it is difficult for many to discern what is going on around them and only God has perfect knowledge He sometimes reveals things to those who return His love. Consequently while I cannot verify all of the things that Mr. Livingston mentioned in the above article I know some of what the Bible says about the “end times” and some of what has been discovered hidden in the Bible using the Bible Code Software, and some of what the Holy Spirit has revealed to me and to a few other Christians. This is why I had no difficult in warning others in my 2006 autobiography that a stock market crash was coming and that gold was going to triple. Now, I tell people to make sure they have a few months of food on hand at all times, and that we are going to have prices tripling in the near future, not just food but everything. It may even go a bit higher. That the Treasury is creating 75 thousand million dollars a month out of thin air each month from now until next June only confirms what God has already revealed. Some things ARE set in stone and others, like the Los Angeles Earthquake of the Hebrew Year 5770 which was discovered to have a high probability of happening this past year according to what was discovered in the Bible Code, have been postponed (due to the prayers of many apparently) and I do not expect it until the summer of 2014. The point is that in the oldest part of the Bible God speaking through one of his prophets says “My people perish for lack of knowledge” and well over 100,000,000 in this country would surely qualify. No time to read all the comments here as I want to switch over to the article on food after one short mention below. I write about these things in both my books.

          • Wim Vonk

            I agree with you Denniso. My thoughts exactly. A lot of this stuff is just to traumatize many people. History has been full of doomsday sayers and yet we are still here. As you say it is a very complex world and easy solutions that occur in these articles are mostly nonsense.

          • Denniso

            So,Jimbo,if Obama wants a socialist makeover of the country,why did he bail out the banks and car companies? Is it a fake,like in football,and he is trying to save capitalism first and then when everything is going well again he will turn us into a socialist nation? He’s playing w/ our brains for the fun of it before he starts his marxist revolution?

            I take it you don’t read history,since you would know that the times when socialism or communism have made inroads in societies is when capitalism falters and people are out of work and angry…so,now we watch Obama struggle to save our grand money making system and you people think he’s a socialist??!!

          • http://personallibertydigest gailen val oliver

            denniso,,it is apparent that you have not read the bible or history of past kindoms and nations,do your research before you pop off your mouth

          • Elaine

            Bob Livingston is right. Soon everyone will know he was right. What is happening right now is written in the prophecy books of the Hebrew Bible as well as the King James hundreds of years before the fact. Read the book of Daniel, which relates the History of all the Kingdoms/Empires that have come and gone. We are the last Generation, the Generation that will see the return of JESUS CHRIST. Do not be fooled by Satan’s little Demons who run around denying the TRUTH. Read Daniel, Revelation, Eziekel, especially Eziekel which tells of the Last War and all the countries involved in this war.

          • Denniso

            gailen…I would be willing to bet,based upon your ‘comment’,that I’m better educated and more informed than you are.

          • libertytrain

            of course you would bet that Denniso – you are all ego, no substance.

          • Denniso

            And you agree w/ me…it’s easy to see when some one is clueless and non thinking. It has nothing to do w/ ego,just observation. Even you could do it,w/ some practice and time.

          • S.C.Murf

            Obama just gave the UN the power to call the shots about when, where, how and why our U.S. Military will leave afganistan

          • denniso

            WRONG…we are involved w/ NATO in Afghanistan,not the UN,and he didn’t hand over any control to them,he’s trying to keep them on board to help in the effort. Bush started the dirty little war 9 effing yrs ago and didn’t put enough into it to win more quickly,and you want to blame Obama? Get freaking real…

      • http://none Charles Labianco

        Dear Hariprakash,

        If you want to know the true causes of most wars
        during the 1800′s to present,
        email me with the title – replying to you from personal liberty.
        I will then email you a public domain book written in 1941
        That I copied from the internet.
        It mentions treaties, secret treaties, Fed Reserve Banks. ( Yes there are “two interrelated systems” in the world.

        Also ask me about some articles of The Informer.
        Sincerely,
        Charles Labianco

      • Jag

        If I had the power to choose between just 2 organizations to eliminate,
        al qaeda and the UN, I would choose the largest terrorist organization in the history of the world, the UN. This money pit needs to be defunded, before they try to achieve their ultimate goal, disarming all law abiding citizens on the face of the earth. Then, all guns would be in the hands of criminals, in and out of government, our military not withstanding. Our local sheriff’s and our military that have taken an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, can keep this from happening.

        • Denniso

          You prefer Al Queada to the UN??Wow,now that’s some smart reasoning. You really do need some help w/ your thinking. That is just absurd.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Buy Silver..Crash JP Morgan. :) Just one ounce nothing crazy..Its a good investment no matter what.

      • Joyce from Loris

        I prefer silver too, even over gold.

      • Richard Pawley

        Some money is certainly better than no money but I would rather have eight cans of vacuum sealed coffee than a single ounce of silver because I believe coffee, food and everything else is going to at least triple in price due to the trillions squandered by Marxists in congress and the QE of the Treasury who are printing 75 thousand million dollars out of thin air each month from now until next June. Is silver going to go to $75 an ounce? Well, anything is possible but I doubt it, or if it does many will say “Who cares? You can’t eat it”. Of course if you have some silver and some coffee or tea or oats…well, you get the idea.

    • MR MYTH

      Good stuff Jeff…I’ve been talking about this for years inside family and friends. Most often they just roll their eyes and smirk. And that’s the problem… NOBODY wants to believe it can happen here!

      • David Phelps

        I agree, I have been telling my friends, and my older children the same thing for years, and they treat me like that I am crazy, and dont know what I am talking about, and one of my sons is a lawyer.

        • http://none Charles Labianco

          Dear Mr. Phelps,
          My son , a website programmer, also avoids the truth that I try to present. He will not listen to a word of it.
          And honestly, I can barely function knowing
          the truth. So why would I want to cause him extreme
          stress for which there is no solution?
          Because your son is a lawyer, I have just the
          article for him.
          email me with the title Phelps of personal liberty, and I’ll
          Send you an article by The Informer.

          Sincerely yours,
          Charles Labianco

        • HFlashman

          Perhaps you will want to consider your children may have a good read on your facilities…

          • Kate8

            Facilities, Flash? What are you talking about? Did you mean faculties?

            You don’t even have command of the language. How are we to believe you have a handle on world events?

        • JeffH

          HFlash…it took you long enough to get here…same ole same ole I see. Still see you’re using your favorite Alinsky rule #5. Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.

        • JeffH

          HFlashman…the liberal PARROT has arrived on scene.

          Don’t give in to the temptation to respond to his idiosyncrasies.

          Ignore his attacks and DO NOT RESPOND and eventually he WILL go away.

    • refuse2lose

      Awesome response and thanks for the education. I must have skipped class when this was being taught,or sleeping. I don’t know how people like Beck,Hannity and lLimbaugh can laugh when someone tells them this very same thing. I guess it’s part of that whole Republican establishment thing.

      • Denniso

        Let me help you…Beck,Hanity and limbaugh buy into this stuff as totally as you people do,they only laugh at times to try to keep an air of credibility while they let the idiotic message on the air. The Repub establishment is using you people like loyal foot soldiers on behalf of the corporate war against gov’t,but has to strike a balance to avoid looking like total idiots themselves. Mainstream voters who are concerned about their jobs,kids,and future don’t appreciate this kind of hyperbole and extremism when trying to do the best thing for the country.

        • David Phelps

          there are none so blind than those that refuse to see

          • BrotherPatriot

            ^^ Yup ^^

            Several who post here fall into that category quite well. I usually choose not to read their input or respond to them. Shhhh…ignore them and maybe they might just go away. :) (I know…just hopefull thinking.)

            God Bless.

          • Elaine

            AMEN BROTHER, You are right. There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

        • jimbo

          Really Dennis? What then is YOUR answer to the shithole we are all in now due to these inept Democrats? You want to pander to more of the same horse crap we have been fed? Not me; so until you come up with some concrete examples that can be used to fend of the thieves and jerks in DC you are no different than those whom you condemn.

          • HFlashman

            yep…all them thar inept Democrats. When during the Clinton era we had full employment and a deficit being paid off. When during the Carter Era we had a budget deficit of 63 billion/year. As compared to the Reagan assault on the Middle Class, the bulging deficit spending of the GOP, and the two most disasterous presdiencies these past 30 years..reagan and Bush II. Damn those Dems…

          • Denniso

            Well said,but beyond his power to discern.

            We imploded under Bush,remember? Do you remember that Bush began the bank bailouts? If he and Obama hadn’t done what they did you would be living in a depression the likes of which the world has never seen. When capitalism fails,it fails big. Then it needs help that your magical ‘free market’ can’t deliver,except over decades.

            Regan had 10% unemployment in ’81,’82…we’re at 9.5%. Did you survive the Regan recession or were you not alive yet? Have you never read about the ’29 depression to see how bad things can be when capitalism crumbles. This is a relative picnic in comparison.

          • JeffH

            Let us see…Reagan’s highest unemployment rate was 10.8%-Dec 1982 and by Jan 1984 had dropped to 8.0% and continued to decline steadily…by Dec of 1988 it was down to 5.3%.
            http://conservativeamerican.org/tag/ronald-reagan-unemployment-rate/

          • denniso

            Thanks for making my point. Reagan had higher unemployment than we do now under Obama(9.5%) and the Regan recession was a trifle compared to what the country and world have gone through for the past 2 yrs. Reagan took office in Jan 1981 and the recession lasted for a good part of his first term,right? Obama has been in office less than 2 yrs,his unemployment numbers are lower than Reagans,and we’re in a slow recovery from the worst crash since ’29. What is there to blame Obama for then?

        • Richard Pawley

          One last thought here, and that is that there is very little difference between establishment Democrats and establishment Republicans. Some hate the Democrats and some hate the Republicans and that is all childish nonsense. They are opposite sides of the same coin. There are a few differences. The Democrats claim to be ‘for the people’ but all the cities they have controlled for years are basket cases and the states they control are in pretty bad shape too. Look it up and check it out! Now the Tea Party People are a bit different and it they can’t get the Republicans to get back to their roots then we will have either socialism which we almost have under the Democrats (the head of the socialist party of America said years ago that he felt like he had wasted his whole life because the Democrats had done all that the socialists had wanted to do). It wasn’t the Republicans who established progressive income tax either, it was the Democrats but they didn’t invent it. Karl Marx suggested it as one of his methods to convert the world to atheism and socialism which is a nicer word than communism. He wanted a godless world where there would be no marriage, no individuality, and ultimately no state, in other words chaos, where we would all be interchangeable cogs or bricks or as I once heard someone say, “All suburbanites are pretty much the same”. Democratic President Wilson liked some of Marx’s ideas though he was a racist who opposed women voting. Hitler like other idea of Marx, and Stalin, Lenin, Mao and even Castro and Chevez like others. It is all about power and greed. Vote for the person you trust, if you trust any, not the party, but don’t expect to find anyone better than yourself. So called truth, justice and the American way begins within one’s self.

        • Bruce D.

          I like all three that you mentioned Denniso. But I stand by Glen Beck the most. He may or may not be right all the time but he has a good research team behind him. He sees and presents the bigger picture better than anyone with a national audiance. He is feared by Obama and the left the most and rightfully so considering most of the lefts power comes from slight of hand. You should open your mind a little and stop tring to control everything Denniso unless you want the downward spiral of society that always follows socialism . All three people that you mentioned are very patriotic and trying to do their best for their country.

          • HFlashman

            Beck as anything but an idiot? Now THAT is funny ! C;mon…you really aren’t serious are you? About a guy that continously lies, distrots truth and facts, and lionizes people like Father Coughlin (example; Coughlin frequently issued antisemitic commentary and rationalized the policies of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.) and McCarthy?

            Beck is a paid off protisute who is literally unable to tell truth or fact without distortion and simplification beyond recognition.

          • Bruce D.

            I don’t buy it HFlashman. Isn’t it about time you wake up to what is going on and stop being critical of those that are trying to help.

          • Richard Pawley

            I agree with what you have said Bruce. Beck admits he is only an entertainer but he is a concerned citizen and a patriot. Many who criticize him have never even watched him on TV. He may be different on radio but I don’t listen to talk radio. A historian he hired to check facts so he wouldn’t have to apologize was shocked at some of the history that Beck had uncovered. “I have two degrees in history and I never heard any of this” this amazed person said Much of our history has been pushed aside and those who only know what they were taught seldom seem to learn more. I think Beck is a combination of Thomas Paine and George Whitfield unlikely as that may seem, and if our country survives the next decade or two future historians may look back (if they are allowed to do so) and agree. Like Sarah Palin some people hate Beck because of his sincerity and his refusal to compromise his principles and because he is not like everybody else. If America survives the coming financial crisis in one piece it will be in part to the care and concern of Beck and people like him. What more could one expect from anyone, much less an entertainer. He gives not just 10% but 20% of his income to good works and that is why he is successful because you cannot out give God. We are fortunate to have him.

        • Wim Vonk

          Well said. And a lot of fundamental churches in the US are also to blame for brainwashing the masses who are unfortunenately poorly educated. Same problem in Muslim countries. I have said this before, only in the States because do not forget that most Western Democratic States have largely socialised programmes which are terrible according to American Standards. So write off the whole of Europe, Australia and Canada and a few others.

        • Dave A.

          Patriots, Denniso is playing you all, and you are allowing it to happen. I have read more than one account about socialist demagogues being planted by the extreme Left on conservative websites such as this just to stir up animosity and to try to irritate the regular participants into staying away from the site if for not other reason than to avoid the irritation of constantly having to respond to their absurd allegations. The Left doesn’t use your usual garden-variety liberal idiot to argue with you, they use reasonably intelligent debaters who are well-versed in the Socialist/Marxist agenda. Denniso is an obvious case in point (no compliment intended, Deniso). My suggestion is that we simply ignore his comments rather than allowing him/her to force us off our own conservative website. Let’s just carry on our discussions absence his “background noise.”

          • Denniso

            Gee, thanks for the compliment,intended or not…I’m simply touched by your sweet comment. But,like I’ve said before,I’m a regular guy,just like you. I do,however,have a decent college education,have been self employed for 40 yrs,designed and built homes,played music,sports and have a couple of beautiful kids… A lovely wife to go with them.

            I have spent most of my life trying to figure out the world and life and have read much fiction and non fiction,as well as science and especially Einsteins theory of relativity,both for fun and learning.
            I even look at some literal crap that comes along so I’m at least aware of what baloney is being fed the masses.

            If anyone knows how I could apply to be a paid instigator on these sites,please let me know. I can always use a little extra money,like most of you.

          • denniso

            Just a footnote…All of that is true,but the part about me being a guy isn’t necessarily so…I don’t think it’s relevant what my gender is.

            And,are you actually afraid of actual challenges to your supposedly ‘patriotic’ views? I’m not trying to run anyone off this site,my only point is to challenge ignorance and non thinking and urge people,even you,to do some real thinking. Too many of the people here are blindly following their corporate masters who have one strategy in mind…cut gov’t regulation and diminish the power of gov’t to monitor their abuses of people and the environment,all for the purpose of just making more billions of $$.

          • JeffH

            Denniso, “challenge ignorance”? Not! An obvious case of displayed ignorance and narcissism.

          • Karolyn

            I cannot believe you actually believe that! Wow! (shaking head). You actually believe that liberals are “planted” on these sites. ROTFLMAO!! You people see a conspiracy in everything!

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, it’s no secret that there are paid bloggers throughout the political blogsphere.

          • libertytrain

            Jeff – I knew she was somewhat naive – however didn’t realize how much. Of course, she now can look for one of those jobs. And yes, Karolyn, I promise you, they do exist.

          • Denniso

            I imagine,Karolyn, that it’s another myth that the rightwing extremists have put out there. It probably derives from the fact that the rightwingers can’t argue much of anything and so they think that people who can actually think,even a little,must be trained and paid ‘plants’. Maybe they’re really trying to flatter us.

          • libertytrain

            You go right ahead and discourage Karolyn from finding that perfect on-line job.. :)

    • Dan az

      Thanks Jeff
      That pretty much says it all,what needs to be done is spread it among the non believers.So the question that I have is,if they monies are going to devalue so much as to be worthless and gold will become the standard which it will be based on, and if they own it what happens to the mines that are still producing not under their control?It just seems as if there will be more regulations and land grabs by them to control all the minerals from now on?So how do we stop them?They seem to be at the final stages now.You know me its lock and load but if they are really serious about it then we as a nation must unite as one again to take them on.This kind of cancer has spread through out the world and their take on us isn’t going to be good.We need to get the word out via internet before its to late.I would like to hear your take on this!

      • libertytrain

        Dan, I’m not sure if I’m asking the right person, I think I am, but what happened with the soldier burial the other day and the church people.

        • Dan az

          Libertytrain
          It went off with out a hitch.Thanks for asking,the patriot guard riders inc.showed up even though it started raining and so did pretty much all of the city with arms at their side.There was a van and trailer with kansas plates showed up and made its survey and decided to abandon their Idea which might be their only good decision.The PGR is in every state and are going to all funerals now and will bring this crap to a stop.They are biker vets that out number these wacko’s but are committed to non violence acts which this town wasnt to worried about.They all seem to favor the other.

          • JeffH

            Dan az, good to hear all went well.

          • libertytrain

            Thanks Dan – Love those riders – we had a large group of them accompany a 19 year old soldier in Mills River, NC back from the airport yesterday – I think his burial was today but haven’t seen this news yet.

          • Dan az

            It just goes to show you that all bikers are not cut from the same cloth as of yester years.

          • libertytrain

            Gosh Dan, I’ve forgotten about them – perhaps those that survived just grew up.

    • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

      Jeff, don’t think for a minute that the Rockefeller and European were not involved at Jekyll. Senator Nelson Aldrich and Paul Warburg were the organizers. Aldrich spent the previous six months in Europe with Warburg in strategy sessions with the Money folks prior to the Island get together. None of this crap happens by accident. This money mess we are in right now was slowly laid on our economy over the last 60 years by the Liberal, read Communist, Democrats. Go back and start at the turn of the century and watch each Democratic Administration drive another wedge into the tree of Liberty, year by year. The bone head Republicans never had a clue or if they did they never raised the alarm, nor did they ever invoke the executive orders to turn any of it around. In fact the democrats used executive orders several times to further the agenda of liberalism.
      It is now time for all of us to get into the TPP and drive States Rights to limit all elected offices terms, remove the ability of those in office to campaign for further office without time as a unelected citizen and place a limit of years for total elected office time on all citizens within their life span. This time should be set so there can never be any retirement from any accumulated elected office time, maybe 12 or 14 years. What say you.

      • JeffH

        al metcalf, you are correct. My point was that neither the Rockerfellars or Rothschilds were physically in attendance. My bad, which I should have made clear. The five primary forces at that time were the Morgans, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, The “Daddy Warbucks” Warburgs and Kuhn-Loeb. JP Morgan was their American agent as was Paul Warburg, who was most probably the master of it all.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thomas Jefferson, one of the smartest and wisest men to ever live, said that “I believe that banking institutions are more dangeouse to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property – until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” I guess he had quite the foresight, as we are heading towards the end of this more and more each day.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        That word should be dangerous. Typo.

  • Teresa

    Very Good article…but what the Elite fail to realize is this…although “we the people” may be on the brink of collapse, “WE” are still a force to be reckoned with. Where may I ask do the Elite think their money will hide them? Do they think All the money in the world will protect them? You see this is not all about money any more…this is about the end of the US as we know it, and “we the people” WILL stand together in GOD’S name! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Angel Wannabe

      Amen Teresa and Jeffh!

    • Robert Smith

      From Teresa: “this is about the end of the US as we know it, and “we the people” WILL stand together in GOD’S name!”

      Why s your god letting this happen?

      If he is “all powerful” how’s come his followers are always asking for money?

      Rob

      • Pierre

        Dear Bob,
        You lack a little bit of knowledge about “our” God (Who is YOUR creator as well, by the way!), as I did before… Nobody has ever been created by Him to be His puppets, but FREE. On the other hands, too many humans around the world are puppets to some other humans, or so called ideals, or religions, or policians, or whatever you want…

        • Robert Smith

          Hi Pierre,

          You declared when I asked why he doesn’t step in BEFORE the horror: “You lack a little bit of knowledge about “our” God”

          That’s why I ASKED: If he is so powerful why does he let so much bad stuff happen to so many?

          Asking again: “(Who is YOUR creator as well, by the way!)”

          NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I’m not trying to impose my religion upon anyone. One particular part of that is that I don’t want anyone to follow the same path I’m on because I’m on it, and I don’t want anyone to avoid the path I’m on because I’m on it. Each person should decide what they want to do with with faith, spirituality, and religion as they will, and that each will not impose their path upon others.

          Pierre again: “Nobody has ever been created by Him to be His puppets, but FREE.”

          If that’s what people want to do, that’s OK with me, as long as nobody else is involuntarily brought on board.

          “On the other hands, too many humans around the world are puppets to some other humans,”

          Bush, Falwell, Bakker, Rush, Savage, and so on.

          Rob

          • Richard Pawley

            God has given us free will and the commandments to live by. Additionally there are principles of the Universe that were given by God to His prophets. These are like gravity, they work whether you believe in them or not, such as “Give and it shall be given unto you.” Always puzzled me how some obvious evil men were so successful but then I discovered they were generous (with other peoples money – like socialist governments) but they could have kept it for themselves. Eventually because they violated other commandments, like ‘Thou shall not kill’ and ‘Thou shall not lie’ they paid the penalty and forfeited their lives. People who don’t know God and don’t even know that God is knowable dismiss the Bible. That is why I believe that God had the Hebrew Bible encoded with things that deal in mathematical probability and historical fact and this was only discovered in the last two decades. Many who hate God and want to be their own gods dismiss The Bible Code as well but while it isn’t necessary for Christians or Jews to believe in it I believe that it was set forth to reach those people who are hooked on something less than “the truth that sets men free”. The history of the world, some of which hasn’t happened yet, is encoded in the Hebrew Bible. Those who hate God and oppose him pretend that the software works in other books too but it’s value is close to meaningless in other books. Only in the Bible does it make sense. God hates no one but He is just and righteous. Foolishness like Gay Marriage and downright evils like 50,000,000 pre-born babies killed in the last 37 years are not something God winks at. As I said elsewhere, God let his Chosen People, be led into captivity for 80 years in Babylon in ancient times but He did not abandon them. He will not abandon us either because He loves us but He may have to teach us a hard lesson or two about justice and what use to be called “The American Way”. To much to teach in one email but if you really are interested in truth keep seeking it and it wouldn’t hurt to pray and ask for wisdom, because the time is coming when every knee will bow, and no atheist lawyer from the ACLU or Marxist politician will be able to do anything about that at the time but shake in terror. Even St. Paul cryptically mentions that he knew a man once who was taken up to the third Heaven (so we know there are two more than the one we think of when we hear the word). That doesn’t fit in with most churches theology so you won’t hear any sermons on that except to dismiss it but the Bible also says, let a curse be on anyone who adds or subtracts a single word, and one reason is that the Bible Code would be thrown off if things were added or subtracted. Some believe that God is going to have to punish the people of the United States but it will be the punishment of a loving father and perhaps when we discover that all our materialism is just a sham as in the bumper sticker that says, “He who dies with the most toys wins”. God is God, He is not a man that He changes His mind. He will never violate anything that He has given us in the Bible but it may not always be the way we were taught. “Seek Me with all you heart,” He said once through one of His prophets, “and you will find me, and I will give you the desires of your heart,” but of course, that doesn’t mean by next Tuesday.

          • S.C.Murf

            You have told HIM to get out of your life and HE has. So now you are left with satan and the evil that he does. Enjoy your life here on earth while it lasts and your short stay in the lake of fire. I will see you at the glass wall and stand in witness against you.

            up the hill
            airborne

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “You have told HIM to get out of your life and HE has. So now you are left with satan and the evil that he does. ”

            I don’t believe in your satan either. He’s part of that christian god thing.

            Rob

      • DAVE SODEN

        GOD HAS GIVEN PEOPLE THE FREE WILL TO DO WHATEVER THEY WISH.WHENWE PASS FROM LIFE UNTO DEATH IS WHEN WE ALL WILL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT WE HAVE DONE,AND THEN THE JUDGEMENT!!!

        • BrotherPatriot

          ^^ Yup ^^

          Also, those who think that there is no afterlife…that there is no “accountability” after you pass from this earth are in for as rude an awakening as the rest of the dissillusioned spreaders of evil on this earth are in for….such as the bankers and all the rest of the organizations attached to them. I pity them all for their short sightedness and those that are abused by their great wealth and influenece. All the false wars down through history…all the families destroyed by their lies and deceit…all the damage that has been done directly & indirectly to each and every one of us. I can but shake my head at what has been lost to humanity by these short sighted, greedy and corrupt “leaders” of our world.

          A prayer:
          Thank you God for this life and though the trials are difficult, many of us are here to serve you and struggle on. Many of us are awakening to the great deception and beginning to try & unravel the damage that has been done. God bless each and everyone of us & please try and help the misguided find their path back to what is good,holy & proper.

          Amen.

          • Shibamom

            Thank you so much for the prayer BrotherPatriot. I can’t describe the depression I feel when I think about all the lies, corruption, and outright theft. I was overwhelmed when I thought it was just my fellow citizens that were out to rip me off but…OMG…now my government! It’s almost too much to take in. It took a really, really long for me to finally get it through my thick head that my government, the one I served in the military for 27 years, is really trying to screw me and all my fellow Americans with the intent of destroying our country. I was in such denial…much like many of our countrymen/women who still are denying it. Every once in awhile the thought comes into my mind “well, it was certainly fun while it lasted” and an immense sadness washes through me.

          • Richard Pawley

            TO SHIBAMON: Edgar Cayce once said that thoughts are “things” so don’t let any thoughts of chaos or the end of the United States “as we know it” depress you. God is still in charge. Nothing happens that He is unaware of and sometimes he has to shake people or nations to get their attention. His chosen people were once led into captivity in Babylon for 80 years. God didn’t abandon them but they needed to learn a lesson. He told them not to sacrifice their children to the false God Baal, and yet some burned their children on his altar. In the last 37 years here in the United States some have sacrificed 50,000,000 children on the altars of the god of Hedonism and some of these abortions were “burnings”. In any event God is not amused. The sins of those in the United States are many but God is a loving God and a forgiving God and He will only allow us to experience what is necessary to turn us away from what will ultimately destroy us. Nations come and nations go and that is merely history but life continues, and few of us live to be more than 110 or so don’t be concerned. Concentrate on the practical. Hopefully you don’t live in a big city as even the government expects riots there when the dollar is greatly weakened and stores run out of food (just for a few weeks) but when they are re-supplied prices will be higher. Build up a good supply of non-perishable foods, plant a garden of non-GMO plants (Heirloom varieties), buy the things you will likely need the year after next when they will cost much more. Pray every day. Be sure to take a good all natural vitamin supplement like ALIVE each day. Eat better, organic meat and eggs, and less processed foods. When we are healthy it is less easy to become depressed. There is no one God loves more than He loves you but there may be those who know that more than you do, so they benefit more. God loves atheists too but He has a harder time helping them, guiding and blessing them. Don’t bother to argue with those who deny God. The Bible, which says to call no man a fool, also says, “The fool says in his heart there is no God.” It would be best to keep away from such people because their negativism can rub off. These aren’t all evil people, some are just ignorant but their future will be much different than believers who try their best to live righteously and according to the principles given us in the Bible. If you find the Bible to difficult to read just read the gospels for what Jesus said. He told a woman in England over 75 years ago that “All my followers know and love the simple rules I taught when I lived on earth as a man. Many of them would be puzzled by all the rules of your churches. In all things simply.” (from the paperback classic GOD CALLING edited by A. J. Russell). If you are going through hell, keep going, and if you don’t know that God loves you start looking for a church that believes in what is called the whole gospel. Beware of cults who claim to know it all. The God of the Bible said, “Come let us reason together.” He also said, “My people perish for lack of knowledge”. Many are going to do so and they won’t just be Americans. May God bless you.

        • http://none Charles Labianco

          David,
          The Bible says that “the truth will set you free.”
          That means that once you learn the truth, you
          will be able to make a “free choice desision for or against
          that truth”.
          That being said, here is the truth about free choice.
          Imagine yourself sitting in a spot, not having
          anything impinging on your mind or emotions. Particularly
          your emotions. You have neither pleasure nor pain motivations
          that normally would move you to action, even to thought action.
          What are you then? You are a rock. But you would then be “free from the pleasure, pain principle. You would be a useless piece of matter.
          Every thought or action is “moved” motivated toward action by pleasure or pain or a combination. The truth is you are not free
          and you never will be free. IF YOU REPLY, RESPOND TO MY ARGUMENTS WHICH ARE STATEMENTS AND THE REASONING PROCESS BETWEEN THEM AND BEHIND THEM. ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE ACTING LIKE AN ANIMAL INSTEAD OF AN INTELLIGENT HUMAN BEING.

          Sincerely yours,
          Charles Labianco

          • Bruce D.

            I am motivated by the desire to survive and be consciously aware. Plain and pleasure is only a by-product of that. It would be a desire to not survive or not survive well to have a goal of pain. Pleasure can enhance your survival if experienced without negative side effects which would then act against survival and consciousious awareness. A belief in God is the hope that there is someone out there that will enhance your survival and avoid pain which can inhibit it.

        • Robert Smith

          From Dave: “GOD HAS GIVEN PEOPLE THE FREE WILL TO DO WHATEVER THEY WISH.”

          Is that a fact? How’s come so many of his followers try to take that free will away? Maybe thwarting abortion is messing with your own god’s test of the girl, and when you take away her free will you are denying your god his test of her.

          “WHENWE PASS FROM LIFE UNTO DEATH IS WHEN WE ALL WILL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT WE HAVE DONE,AND THEN THE JUDGEMENT!!!”

          Not of me. I don’t believe in your god. And! You don’t get to punch your ticket to your version of heaven at my expense.

          Rob

          • Richard Pawley

            That you don’t believe is a bit sad but not even God will force you to believe. I can understand some of His followers going overboard in this department but that is because they are relatively new Christians. Jesus once told a woman in England that sometimes there were no words that could be said that would help. Sometimes all one could do was love the other person, and if we loved them, they would be helped. I don’t know about you but I need all the help I can get (and then I can help others). I read once that there are people who die and are no longer here but they still reject the idea of God. Those I believe are the true lost souls. God rejects no one but we reject him by out attitudes and our behavior.

      • home boy

        because he wants his sovernty and you refuse to acknowledge that he is the true creator and there are now other gods . by the way his name is YEHWEH in english it means JEHOVAH. DO SOME READING FOR A CHANGE AND MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING . stop complaining and learn the truth that the bible teaches.

      • Teresa

        Dear Robert: GOD IS ALL POWERFUL…AND DID YOU EVER STOP TO THINK THAT WE ARE THE ONES ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN NOT GOD! GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS BUT SO DOES THE DEVIL! WAKE UP!

      • JC

        Yet another question from yet another communist that is just too stupid to answer.

      • JeffH

        Robert Smith, you and your ilk, like any Marxist, will always challenge Christianity.

      • Dave in SoCal

        Rob,
        Your question is very common and natural. My response to this question is, “If we understood everything about our God then we would be a god. Since we are not a god we are not going to be able to understand everything God does.” Have you asked yourself, “Why does God let the good things in my life happen?” Probably not because we typically focus on bad stuff. Bottom-line: For those of you who are not convinced there is a God but are mathematically inclined ask your self, “What is the mathematical probability that life spontaneously started from inert material let alone evolved (a series of genetic accidents) into a human being with all of the interwoven systems such as an eyeball, a circulatory system, a temperature regulating system and oh yah … a brain.” How does that happen by accident??? Simple or not simple. We were created by our God for reasons described in the Bible.

        • Robert Smith

          Dave asks: ” “What is the mathematical probability that life spontaneously started from inert material let alone evolved (a series of genetic accidents)”

          100% The fact is that there is evidence all over the world that supports such. That to me is far better than the concept of “have faith and you will see.”

          ” into a human being with all of the interwoven systems such as an eyeball, a circulatory system, a temperature regulating system and oh yah … a brain.”

          The answers you seek are in “Your Inner Fish.”

          I found it here: http://tiktaalik.uchicago.edu/book.html But, you can finde it lots of places like Amazon and your local library.

          Your Inner Fish: A journey into the 3.5-Billion-Year History of the Human Body
          by Neil Shubin

          Why do we look the way we do? What does the human hand have in common with the wing of a fly? Are breasts, sweat glands, and scales connected in some way? To better understand the inner workings of our bodies and to trace the origins of many of today’s most common diseases, we have to turn to unexpected sources: worms, flies, and even fish.

          In Your Inner Fish, Neil Shubin tells the story of evolution by tracing the organs of the human body back millions of years, long before the first creatures walked the earth. By examining fossils and DNA, Shubin shows us that our hands actually resemble fish fins, our head is organized like that of a long-extinct jawless fish, and major parts of our genome look and function like those of worms and bacteria.

          • Richard Pawley

            But this book you speak of is about the human body, not the Human Spirit and not even the soul (they are not the same). I have no problem with evolution. Many Christians believe in it and many don’t but evolution is something that only takes place in the physical realm. Jesus told a woman in England more than 75 years ago that her entire life was but “a parenthesis in a sentence in a paragraph on the page of the book of her life. Birth opens the parenthesis, death closes it, then back to real life history…” He told her to remember that when she was going through times of pain or suffering or failure, or even times of success and joy, that is was all just a parenthesis (from the classic Christian paperback, GOD CALLING edited by A. J. Russell)

          • Robert Smith

            From Richard: “But this book you speak of is about the human body, not the Human Spirit and not even the soul (they are not the same). ”

            If you want to see a way that society and human spirit could have formed you can check out a book called “Catching Fire” at: http://www.amazon.com/Catching-Fire-Cooking-Made-Human/dp/0465013627

            Rob

          • S.C.Murf

            RS or BS which ever it may be, you may have came from fish, but as for me and mine we came from woman. Your disbelief in God does not change the fact in the least that HE is. It only means that you are lost and when you are done here on earth you are done for ever, now there is a happy thought!

      • Richard Pawley

        PS. Robert, don’t look at those who claim to follow God for many say that but look to the word of Jesus which you can read in the gospels and you will see why he is still the most influential person who ever lived. Jesus even said that there would be people who had such faith that they would work miracles but their heart was not right so they would not be going to any of the three heavens mentioned by St. Paul. Some would be surprised to learn that there are African Christians who are sending missionaries to the United States because in their eyes we have become a mission field filled with pagans and other non-believers. When you meet someone who really knows Jesus and has grown in His love and wisdom you will know it.

        • Robert Smith

          From Richard: ” African Christians who are sending missionaries to the United States because in their eyes we have become a mission field filled with pagans and other non-believers. ”

          Pagans have their beliefs, just not in christanity.
          Hindus have their beliefs, just not in christanity.
          Bahai have their beliefs, just not in christanity.
          Budists have their beliefs, just not in christanity.

          Each and all offer peace.

          Rob

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I dont know where you go to church, but the leaders of my church, God’s followers, they dont have to ask me for my money. I gladly give my tithe, as my God has spoken to me and told me to do this, and that was before I ever stepped foot into the church I attend now. You see, if your not going to put your money where your mouth is, your not believing in what your saying very much. And there is only one place in the Bible where God says “Test Me”, and that is in Malachi, where He beckons us to “bring the whole tithe into the storehouse”. I used to worry about money, and live wondering how I was going to make ends meet, until I gave over my money worries to Him, you know, the One that provides it all. Once I learned to “Give God what is God’s, and Caesar what is Caesar’s”, I havent had to worry or think about money since then, and that was 12 years ago. Its not my money, its His. Its all His. And those of us who attend church, we realize we are the church, not the building we worship in. That isnt a church. That is just a building. But still, like anything else, that building needs paid for. It needs upkeep. It needs the electric bill paid, the water bill paid, etc, etc. Where do you suppose that money is going to come from sir, if not from the people that attend service there? If you expect God to just parachute some in, your definitely reading a different Bible that I am. And sir, seriously, money is pretty darn important to God. You see, if you would read your Bible, and invite God into your life, and let Him open your eyes and ears, you would come to know, that money is mentioned in the Bible more than Love is. And I dont think I need to tell you how important Love is to God, because that He displayed the ultimate gift of Love to us, by taking the nails for us on the cross. So dont attack sir, not when your not knowledgable of the facts. Thank you.

    • MR MYTH

      Teresa, I understand what you are saying, in mass we are powerful. But two things…we’ve grown weak as a people. Willing to believe and accept anything the Government tells us. (Spelled out in detail above)

      The militarization of OUR police force. TO SERVE AND PROTECT…yea right! How bout TO DICTATE, HARRASS, THREATEN and PROFITEER. Haiti, a country of over 9 million people has a police force of only 1500. New York City alone,7 million, has an ARMY of police, 45,000. Well armed and dangerous. Trust me, if WE THE PEOPLE ever truly take a stand against FEAR AND TYRANNY (which is alive and well in these United States) it we be crushed before WE know what happened. WE THE PEOPLE are at the base of the totem poll. It’s suppose to be about what’s best for the people, but it isn’t. It’s about what’s best for the Government and corp. America. Meaning those at the top.

      • Teresa

        You are correct…but how many X military do we have..that DO still believe in God and Country. How many ARE still in the military that when it comes down to THEIR family and THEIR neighbors will stand and fight for whats right? Yes mass is a force, but God is OUR mass force! They are trying to divide the laws, break our religion, break US period! Stay with your convictions, your beliefs, your faith! For when it’s all said and done, which do you choose, material things or your soul?..People will cry..yea but hes not real, hes not here…..I always reply…But what if he is? What will you do when you realize he is here and your judgement day is upon you? Is it worth the risk of your soul? Satan and his army is running strong on this world now and we have to have all our strength and guidance from our Father!

        • MR MYTH

          Alot of our X military are now cops, unyielding and bent on doing exactly as they are told. They don’t question the Constitutionality of orders or rather or not they’re vilating someones rights. They just act on orders. Coming from an ex Marine. Not to say all cops are bad, they’re not, but the number is way to high.

          • Teresa

            Yes, well my family is FULL of former military…and THEY ALL know where their loyality lies…God & Country! And my father..Marine!

          • Dave in SoCal

            They are all sworn to up-hold the Constitution. When it becomes apparent that the Constitution is being up-held like our free speech, right to bear arms and un-lawful search and seizure become recognizable I believe the majority will support freedom.

          • Bruce D.

            You make a good point Mr. Myth. Not everyone in the military has a stong upbringing of what is right or what the Constitution says. It is not taught in schools so if you do not get the training at home you do not get it. Many young people are confused and disoriented. They seek guidance, training, and disipline in the military. They trust that those above them are doing the right thing. Whether that person or the people above them are doing the right thing depends on the individual.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I know many in our military, and I do not believe for a second if Obama or some jerk like him told them to turn on the population, that they would do it. Not for a second. They would stand with the people.

      • Bruce D.

        Mr. Myth I agree about the police state. Go to countries where there is not a lot of money for police and people have a lot more freedom in their daily lives. Most people are trying to earn money and support their family. Police in America have become to a large extent tax collectors. They look for violations of code that can bring money to the state. Rarely are they in neighborhoods looking to prevent crime or bodily harm. They only come to file the report after the crime has been committed.

    • JeffH

      Professor Gustav Cassel wrote in 1928:
      “The American dollar, not the gold standard, is the world’s monetary standard. The American Federal Reserve Board has the power to determine the purchasing power of the dollar by making changes in the rate of discount, and thus controls the monetary standard of the world.”
      In “FDR, My Exploited Father-in-Law”, Col. Curtis B. Dall, who was a broker on Wall Street at that time, writes of the Crash, “Actually it was the calculated ‘shearing’ of the public by the World Money-Powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of the supply of call money in the New York money market.” Overnight, the Federal Reserve System had raised the call rate to twenty percent. Unable to meet this rate, the speculators’ only alternative was to jump out of windows.
      The New York Federal Reserve Bank rate, which dictated the national interest rate, went to six percent on November 1, 1929. After the investors had been bankrupted, it dropped to one and one-half percent on May 8, 1931. Congressman Wright Patman in “A Primer On Money”, says that the money supply decreased by eight billion dollars from 1929 to 1933, causing 11,630 banks of the total of 26, 401 in the United States to go bankrupt and close their doors.

      The Federal Reserve Board had already warned the stockholders of the Federal Reserve Banks to get out of the Market, on February 6, 1929, but it had not bothered to say anything to the rest of the people. Nobody knew what was going on except the Wall Street bankers who were running the show.

      Not only was the Federal Reserve System responsible for the First World War, which it made possible by enabling the United States to finance the Allies, but its policies brought on the world-wide depression of 1929-31. Governor Adolph C. Miller stated at the Senate Investigation of the Federal Reserve Board in 1931 that:
      “If we had had no Federal Reserve System, I do not think we would have had as bad a speculative situation as we had, to begin with.”

      Both J. P Morgan and Kuhn, Loeb Co. had “preferred lists” of men whom they sent advance announcements of profitable stocks… The men on these lists were fellow bankers, prominent industrialists, powerful city politicians, national Committeemen of the Republican and Democratic Parties, and rulers of foreign countries. The men on these lists were notified of the coming crash, and sold all but so-called gilt-edged stocks, General Motors, Dupont, etc. The prices on these stocks also sank to record lows, but they came up soon afterwards. How the big bankers operated in 1929 is revealed by a Newsweek story on May 30, 1936, when a Roosevelt appointee, Ralph W. Morrison, resigned from the Federal Reserve Board:
      “The consensus of opinion is that the Federal Reserve Board has lost an able man. He sold his Texas utilities stock to Insull for ten million dollars, and in 1929 called a meeting and ordered his banks to close out all security loans by September 1. As a result, they rode through the depression with flying colors?’
      Predictably enough, all of the big bankers rode through the depression “with flying colors:’ The people who suffered were the workers and farmers who had invested their money in get-rich stocks, after the President of the United States, Calvin Coolidge, and the Secretary of the Treasury, Andrew Mellon, had persuaded them to do it.

      What had caused the [1929] crash? The people had purchased stocks at high prices and expected the prices to continue to rise. The prices had to come down, and they did. It was obvious to the economists and bankers gathered over their brandy and cigars at the Hotel Astor that the people were at fault. Certainly the people had made a mistake in buying overpriced securities, but they had been talked into it by every leading citizen from the President of the United States on down. Every magazine of national circulation, every big newspaper, and every prominent banker, economist, and politician, had joined in the big confidence game of urging people to buy those over-priced securities. When the Federal Reserve Bank of New York raised its rate to six percent, in August 1929, people began to get out of the market, and it turned into a panic which drove the prices of securities down far below their natural levels. As in previous panics, this enabled both Wall Street and foreign operators in the know to pick up “blue-chip” gilt-edged” securities for a fraction of their real value.

      The New York Times reported on April 7, 1931, “Montagu Norman, Governor of the Bank of England, conferred with the Federal Reserve Board here today. Mellon, Meyer, and George L. Harrison, Governor o the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, were present”.
      The London Connection had sent Norman over this time to ensure that the Great Depression was proceeding according to schedule. Congressman Louis McFadden had complained, as reported in The New York Times, July 4, 1930, “Commodity prices are being reduced to 1913 levels. Wages are being reduced by the labor surplus of four million unemployed. The Morgan control of the Federal Reserve System is exercised through control of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the mediocre representation and acquiescence of the Federal Reserve Board in Washington?’ As the depression deepened, the trust’s lock on the American economy strengthened, but no finger was pointed at the parties who were trolling the system.
      http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/London_Connection_TSOTFR.html

      • Dave in SoCal

        It has been said that a Central Bank in the United States is a greater threat to our soverignty than a large invading foreign army

        • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

          Dave in SoCal,
          You are pretty close on the quote of T. Jefferson. And this is really the case.
          We are living under the terrorism of the Federal Reserve System as well as the terrorism of the Islamic Nation with their Shariah Law.
          There isn’t much we can do about the Shariah Law but we certainly change the Federal Reserve.
          Ron Paul has year afer year been attempting to audit the Fed with no luck. Not that I think this is the solution to our problem. But let me suggest something quite different.
          The Federal Reserve System is really a very good and balanced financial solution to the monetary problems of the U.S., with one exception, and that is “it’s ownership”.
          The Federal Reserve is a privately owned corporation. As such it is in business “as a for profit entity”, jsut like all corporations. If you doubt this look it up and try to find out the stockholders of the Federal Reserve, it is secret and not available, period.
          Here is my solution. Obama hijacked General Motors and Chrysler and bestowed part ownership of both corporations on the Unions.
          As soon as we have a Republican administration we should nationalize the Federal Reserve System exactly as it is, do not drop any of it’s functions or banking structure. Just remove the private corporate ownership and make it part of the Treasury of the United States.
          Once the Federal Reserve System is the United States Federal Reserve System all profits from it will acrue into the Treasury of the U.S. and help settle our national debt instead of enriching the World Banking Cartel.
          Hell we could put Ron Paul in as the Head of the Federal Reserve so he could audit it constantly. That would sure make him happy.
          The existing Federal Reserve has manipulated our money supply and driven every resession and depression since the adoption of the system in 1913.
          Go back in history and see who gave us the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Income Tax. His claim was that both of these issues would control the big money interests of the nation. Of course he was lying on both counts. He was a politician but he was not the President.
          Think about it. Nationalize the Federal Reserve then we the people will be in charge of our own money supply, it will be under the Congress of the U.S. as part of the U.S. Treasury.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Interesting thought. Definitely sumtin has to happen…

          • JC

            On the Federal Reserve and Quantitative Easing…
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k&feature=share

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest e.poet

            Al,
            Wait a minute here, we ARE talking about the SAME U.S. Congress who gave us Social Security because we are simply not intelligent enough to provide for ourselves in our retirement, and or old age, so they “intervened” on our behalf, and proceeded to raid the kitty for absolutely anything and everything their pea’picken little hearts desired for the last 50+ years? Oh, I surely would just love to trust THEM, as they have so admirably shown their trustworthiness. Wasn’t it Demosthenes who was searching for an HONEST MAN? Maybe all Americans need to light lamps and search the country far and wide. The Federal Reserve is a bloody nightmare, but our congressmen don’t lag far behind. Outside of G-d coming to the planet in the flesh, and taking on the job of overseeing the printing and valuation of our money, I can’t imagine who we can possibly trust anymore. e.poet

          • e.poet

            Al, Oops…I goofed badly!. It was not Demosthenes, but DIOGENES, who was “Searching for an HONEST MAN”. My screw up. However, what was true then, remains true now. Trouble is…Were we able to find an honest man, what do we do when the pass on? Who will provide us with the NEXT honest man. It seems to be the history of man, we just keep breaking down in corruption!

      • Bruce D.

        Really it is a damn shame. Unfortunately there has always been people throughout history that do not feel the pain of others. Their greed for money and power blinds them to basic human decentcy and values. Have you ever seen the piles and piles of cash conficated in Mexico from the druglords. It makes me think you had twenty or thirty million dollars, why didn’t you get out of the business and live your life when you had the chance. But after a while it is no longer about money. It becomes the lust for power. Nothing else matters, not even human life.

    • Born in America

      Right on – because when it comes to push and shove – you’ll see the common Christion coalition come alive

      • Bruce D.

        Maybe the Socialists or Marxists at the top of the latter are atheist but most of their followers are Christian. There are many Christians that believe in redistribution of wealth. I am talking about good people who do not see the confiscation of wealth or others hard earned money as being criminal in nature as long as it is redistributed to those less fortunate in society. Socialism could not come as far as it has in Amertica without Christian backing and support.

        • Kate8

          Bruce D. – I wonder how many Christians who believe in the redistrubution of wealth believe they will be on the receiving end of the distribution.

          It seems that people think first of their own pockets, over right and wrong, over good of nation, over freedom itself.

          It is obvious by how many people vote socialist.

          • Bruce D.

            Kate8, I was talking to a nice young devout Christian in his twenties and he was concerned about healthcare and felt Obamacare was the solution to that problem. This was not some left wing ideologue but someone who prefered the democratic party and looked to them for solutions. The Republicans missed a big opportunity under Bush to show free market solutions to the youth. Bush set us up and now Obama is finnishing us off, or thinks he is.

  • Tom

    This is exactly why they are trying to disarm the populus. The rich can control the people, only if the people are disarmed. the very FIRST thing Hitler did was to ban all guns in germany. As long as Americans have guns, they, the ruling class, will have a hell of a time keeping some of us in check.

    • Hunter

      Tom,
      “….some of us…..” Divide and concur. They have a good percentage of the populace convinced and ready to disarm the rest of us. Neighbor against neighbor. Not a direct war that they would lose.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Tom,

      Actually Hitler didn’t do that at all. For the GENERAL population he lightened the restrictions.

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control: “… they [Weimer Republic] proceeded to implement gun control laws to disarm the population and wipe out the opposition, and genocide of disarmed Jews, gypsies, and other undesirables followed.[81][82][83] Historians have pointed out that already the democratic Weimar Republic had restrictive gun laws, which were actually liberalised by the Nazis. According to the Weimar Republic 1928 Law on Firearms & Ammunition, firearms acquisition or carrying permits were “only to be granted to persons of undoubted reliability, and — in the case of a firearms carry permit — only if a demonstration of need is set forth.” The Nazis replaced this law with the Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, which was very similar in structure and wording, but relaxed gun control requirements for the general populace. The relaxation included, for example, the exemption from regulation of all weapons and ammunition except handguns, the extension of the range of persons exempt from the permit requirement, and the lowering of the age for acquisition of firearms from 20 to 18. It did, however, prohibit manufacturing of firearms and ammunition by Jews.[84] Shortly thereafter, in the additional Regulations Against Jew’s Possession of Weapons of November 11, 1938, Jews were forbidden from possession of any weapons at all.[83][84]”

      BTW, the Allies implemented gun control in Germany that lasted until 1956.

      So, although Hitler did implement some gun control laws they were targeted against very specific Germanns later in his efforts. There are many reasons to fight gun control, but using a lie about Hitler to support the effort is just dumb because in the overall context it is wrong.

      There are lots of good reasons to fight gun control. But, even with those reasons the best way to fight gun control is not to impose one’s views about gun control while at the same time deny others what they feel are THEIR rights in abortion issues, recreational drugs, etc.

      IOW, respect ALL the rights of free Americans, and don’t cherry pick just the ones that apply to you.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Then you vote Libertarian, Robert?

        • Robert Smith

          I want NOTHING to do with the Libritarian party. Lyndon Laroach destroyed their credibility. Since they got Bob Barr to be their candidate they lost me completely with little hope of me ever considering them again.

          Rob

      • TIME

        Robert,

        The facts are to be able to own a gun in Nazi Germany if you translated what you stated properly than you would have better understood what was written.

        {If one was to be able to “prove an Unbroken PURE ARYAN BLOOD line ONLY.”}
        As well that one had no political leanings other than to the “NSDAP,” and in fact if you were not a “Party Member” even if you had 100% PURE Unbroken ARYAN Blood lines, {you could not own a gun.}
        ((In plain words you had to be a member of the NAZI PARTY.))

        As well not unlike the English laws where you could own a Hunting gun sure ~ But “it must be kept at the Hunting Club / Lodge” these same laws are also part of the alledged “NAZI Liberal laws” you noted.

        I do understand that most can’t read German, nor make sense of it to translate into Elglish, thus why German Humor just fails on Americans.
        So I as well I am sure others will over look your posting intel thats totaly flawed.

        • Robert Smith

          ROFL…

          “So I as well I am sure others will over look your posting intel thats totaly flawed.”

          Hitler still didn’t ban guns as the first thing he did, as is claimed by so many hysterical gun supporters.

          Rob

          • JC

            No such thing as a hyserical gun supporter. defending ourselves against criminals and tyrants is one of the underpinnings of American society. We leave the hysterics to the effeminate liberal left.

          • Robert Smith

            Awwww JC: “No such thing as a hyserical gun supporter.”

            Really.

            Rob

      • Bruce D.

        Robert I enjoyed your article. If Hiltler cherry picked those who could own guns and who couldn’t that would be the worst kind of gun control you could have. Lessen the control on those who suport you and increase it on those who do not. Abortion is considered murder by many and they believe choosing murder is not a right. It can be considered government sanction murder for some. It is not an open and shut case as you suggest. Drugs can be considered a crime against ones own nature and maybe should not to be regulaed by government. One who seeks pleasure by the disorientation of consciousness can have a strong negative effect on society, if dependant on the drug for survival. That disoprientation can carry over into every aspect of their life. I have changed my thinking many times on this. It bothers me to make it a crime and it bothers me to legalize it. Now I am thinking it should be decrimilized and impose a $5,000 fine to counter the damage drugs to society as a whole. I understand the viewpoint of legalizing it. I would agree if we got rid of all welfare and social programs which tend to increase with ones dependantcy on drugs, both legal and illegal. Until then we all bare the burden of a druged populace.

        • Bruce D.

          The redistribution of wealth can also be considered government sanctioned theft. Because government and many people sanction theft and murder in our society it can be considered a right, but it is also the right of others to protest it. Freedom of speech and protest should not be cherry picked either as it is one of our basic freedoms.

        • Robert Smith

          From Bruce: “If Hiltler cherry picked those who could own guns and who couldn’t that would be the worst kind of gun control you could have.”

          Absolutely I agree. However, gun control wasn’t the first thing he did as is claimed by some loud and wrong pro-gun yappers. It was later that gun control came in.

          “Lessen the control on those who suport you and increase it on those who do not.”

          Sounds kinda selfish to me. Rather the politics of divide why don’t we all unite (as in UNITED STATES of America)? Respect the freedom for all.

          “Abortion is considered murder by many and they believe choosing murder is not a right.”

          Yup, sigh… They think THEIR beliefs are better than others. It’s a common tactics (red meat issues) used by leaders to whip up hysteria. Another read meat issue is the gun control issue.

          “It can be considered government sanction murder for some.”

          I consider anti-abortion efforts as an invasion of the most personal issues and her body inflicted upon women.

          “It is not an open and shut case as you suggest.”

          Sure is. Folks can not have as many abortions as THEY don’t want as individuals who have chosen a particular faith. DO NOT inflict your faith upon others. It’s that simple.

          ” Drugs can be considered a crime against ones own nature and maybe should not to be regulaed by government.”

          No “maybe” about it. All prohibition has gotten us is organized crime. Drugs were legal in most places for most of time until recently. Not everyone was an addict and I haven’t seen any records from the past of large populations being addicted (except for the opium war).

          ” One who seeks pleasure by the disorientation of consciousness can have a strong negative effect on society,”

          Why? Somkers of tobacco are bad for society. Alcoholics are bad for society. Do you realize that most of the people who made history had a buzz on? They were the ones who could afford wine and beer that wasn’t contaminated with all sorts of evil sickness of the water.

          “That disoprientation can carry over into every aspect of their life.”

          So does religion for many. Didn’t do much good for the folks of Jonestown.

          “I have changed my thinking many times on this. It bothers me to make it a crime and it bothers me to legalize it.”

          Maybe this will help.

          If you have a junkie and pot is illegal he will break into your car to get your radio to sell it. You have to pay at least the deductable. He will eventually be arrested, tried, and convicted. YOU pay for the police, judges, and lawyers on both sides. He will go to jail. You have to pay for guards, all the food he eats, and his health care. You also get to pay for him when he gets out of jail because being a convict doesn’t lead to very good jobs. He won’t be producing, etc.

          On the other hand, If pot is cheap like alcohol is he gets stoned. Guaranteed it should be illegal to drive under the influence of either. But he gets stoned, goes to work the next day without a hangover, stays out of jail, etc. Which is LESS expensive for you and all the rest of us?

          “Now I am thinking it should be decrimilized and impose a $5,000 fine to counter the damage drugs to society as a whole.”

          Legal pot will do less damage than alcohol. MA has a fine of $100 if one gets caught with a personal stash (up to some amount).

          I understand the viewpoint of legalizing it. I would agree if we got rid of all welfare and social programs which tend to increase with ones dependantcy on drugs, both legal and illegal.”

          Actually it’s those who have been convicted of minor drug offenses and go to jail who are the ones who can’t get the job and have to go on welfare.

          “Until then we all bare the burden of a druged populace.”

          We have a precident for legal drugs. We sure do. America didn’t have anti-drug laws until the very late 1800s and early 1900s. Were drugs much of a factor in society before they were illegal? Do you have any historical citations? The fact that it wasn’t mentioned much means it wasn’t much of a problem.

          Rob

          • Bruce D.

            While I do not agree with your answer Robert Smith I am amazed with the care and thoroughness in which you disect it. Good job in your effort.

  • http://http/aol.com john littlefield

    we the people are a force to reckon with.

  • Gary

    This is all true. We need to make sure we have everything we need to survive.

    • Hunter

      We’ll need food, water, shelter and security. Same as any other animal. However we cannot hide on a hole. Just buy lots of ammo and wait for the first “shot” of some politician to start sending the police / military to collect guns to “protect the law abiding citizens”……

      Those wishing to collect guns have been smart enough to disguise their attempts by means of registration and other slow cancerous “gun regulations”. The latest being the EPA considering a ban on all lead bullets because lead is a controlled substance. Or registering / controlling the ammunition.

      Once it starts be ready for the onslaught of rhetoric coming from the press. Those resisting gun confiscation will be labeled criminals…rebels….terrorists.

      If / when the shooting starts, the second civil war will have begun. This one over freedom, much like the revolution was, but between neighbors over a way of life.

      The founders knew this was coming……

      Are you ready or still hoping that 401k will provide security???

      • JC

        I’ll take the AK47 over the 401K Thanks. :)

      • Robert Smith

        Remember, Bush wanted to privatize social security. There would be a short uptick as many buy into the stock market, and then the greed folks will cash out leaving NOTHING for folks to retire on.

        Yup, do you trust your retirement to big business like Enron?

        Rob

  • Brent Theophilus

    This gives me more reason to believe I was right when I decided that Obama got his finantal start from the W.B. & I.M.F.because he is bringing the finantial collapse of America which will become world wide and he started as a poor man led by world gov. people.

  • dave

    Where is the revolution? I’m waiting.Every one is still asleep.How do you wake them. Still waiting!

    • DaveH

      The only revolution we need is a revolution in thought. We need to disimpower the public schools that have been propagandizing our children. Push hard for voucher systems everywhere.

      • TIME

        Dave,

        How true my friend!

        We must be like Martin Luther King or Gandhi ~ and use the POWER of PEACE and God’s Pure Love setting small seeds within the sleeping persons minds.
        These seeds will grow into a wealth of energy and Power that will allow us to move to a higher level.

        Never underestimate the power of Gods Pure Love.

        • S.C.Murf

          Amen brother

          up the hill
          airborne

        • Jim Cumber

          We should also remember one of Armey’s Axioms: “If you love PEACE more than FREEDOM, YOU LOSE!”

      • Bruce D.

        DaveH I could not agree with you more. Our public school system is the biggest threat to freedom that we face. Redistribution of wealth can be made to seem very attractive. A good reason to control business and people. The end product is total government control over freedom and lberty for the good of the group.

    • Popeye

      The last thing we want in a revolution, reason being is that whoever wins, looses.
      America would be so decimated that it would be ripe for takeover from an outside force seeking to control our natural resources.
      Germany would probably be that force. God often uses Germany (Assyria) to punish Israel. The US and Britain are modern day Israel.

  • Howard Roark

    to jeffH; YOU ARE ONE OF THE FEW THAT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WORLD BANKERS HAVE DONE TO THE WORLD. every war since at least the napolianic wars have been orgistrated by the world bankers. they make tons of money by backing both sides and then lending money to the victor.

    the us constitution Article one section eight allows the Fed. Govt to coin (notice coin, not print) money. Article four forbids the states from coining money and it also requires the states to pay their debt in gold and silver coin. its not hard to figure out that if the states cannot coin money and must pay their debt in gold and silver coin and tha only place that the states can obtain coined money is from the Fed. Govt. then the Feds must coin the money from gold and silver.

    In 1913 the Congress changed the constitution with legislation by creating the Federal Reserve Bank. (its not a bank it has no reserves and it is not federal) The US Supreme Court in “United States vs. Ballard 535 F2d 400,404″ ruled that the Congress cannot by legislation alter the Constitution. It is unconstitutional for congress to give themselves powers or GIVE AWAY ANY POWERS GIVEN THEM BY THE PEOPLE with the use of legislation.

    • Jim Cumber

      Howard Roark, you are generally correct on the Federal Reserve establishment in 1913, However, the REAL problem with the whole affair was that replacing the role of Congress in controlling the money supply of the United States (as stated in Article I if the US Constitution) and replacing it with a private Banking Cartel (the misnamed Federal Reserve) could NOT be legally and constitutionally accomplished without a Constitutional Amendment, and the Federal Reserve Act was NOT an Amendment to the US Constitution!

      To put this all in the simplest terms, the so-called Federal Reserve is: 1) Unconstitutional; 2) Illegal; 3) essentially (in view of 1) and 2) above), a criminal enterprise under the Rico statutes, which should be disbanded, along with the 16th Amendment (which even a Federal Judge has admitted was NEVER legally and Constitutionally passed into law) and the IRS which the 16th Amendment “legalized” as the “collector” for the Federal Reserve System. In short, the Federal Reserve SHOULD be BOTH audited and DISBANDED, returning control of the money of the United States to the US Congress, as provided by Article I of the US Constitution, complete with the coining (NOT “printing”) of “hard” specie, coin money.

      Actually, having REAL gold and silver (and, possibly, platinum) coin “money” would solve a number of present economic and financial problems.

  • Sleeve

    What would the history of the world have been without the Federal Reserve System turning point between 1911-1913? What wealth that has been taken away CAN be taken back. See 14th Amendment, section 4–the mention of insurrection/the responsibility for public debt.

  • Howard Roark

    And by the way the good news is that under the Federal Reserve Charter the US Govt can buy out the Federal Reserve and return the money creating powers back to the people. the amount neened to buy them out is a triffle in todays amounts.

    We should buy them out. using their own funny money; of course.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Great insight and yes it does fit right in with God;s forknowledge and plans for the future. If you know Him, we have nothing to fear as ultimately He will destroy the wicked. Should we stand for truth and righteousness. Yes Yes Yes. His “Righeousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people”. Always has been and always will be.

    • Robert Smith

      From Henry: ” If you know Him (Henry’s god), we have nothing to fear as ultimately He will destroy the wicked.”

      Yup, that worked out OK in history. 7,000,000 people killed by Hitler, 1 Hitler eventually destroyed.

      How can we work on the timing of that? I don’t like the numbers of the wicked destroying seven million and the wicked beign one.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        Maybe instead of attacking their beliefs, you could simply point out that murder is not okay just because it is committed by Government.

        • TIME

          Dave,

          Its rather clear that Robert seems to have missunderstood that Murder is not within reason no matter who commits the act.
          And is “totaly unconscionable” when commited by any government to gain total power over its people.

      • Kate8

        RobertSmith, The wicked are always destroyed eventually by their own wickedness. That is God’s Universal Law.

        Unfortunately, they always take great numbers of people out first. If you were to read Scriptures you would see that most of Earth’s population will perish before things are set right, just as they have many times in the past.

        With God, there is not time. Time/space exists only in manifest existence. That is why God sees all. With Him there is not past or future.

        Life is only a temporary experience, anyway. It comes, it goes. There is so much we don’t perceive or understand, and there are those who work hard to make sure we don’t. It is up to each individual to discover the Truth for oneself. Few ever do.

  • P W

    My guns none of which are registered are clean and well oiled and my ammo stock is full. Mad Max life styles may very well soon be upon us. My advise is to prepare your self and your family for the rough time we are about to face.

    Learn to produce your own food and power. Learn to get back to the basics of living. We are Americans and we will survive this. Trust in God and he will provide the way.

    • Robert Smith

      From P W: ” Trust in God and he will provide the way.”

      Really ! Can’t he just fix it BEFORE we have to go to Thunderdome for our gasoline?

      Rob

      • Teresa

        If you spent as much time worrying about your soul as you do your material things you might find peace w/yourself and come up w/better solutions to the problems we face today. Only thru God will you find that. Trust God NOT Man, that is where your problem lies!

        • MR MYTH

          GEN:1 vs 11&12…end prohibition now… “GOD saw that it was good”. It says so…HONEST! Off subject, just a note for the Bible thumpers.

      • TIME

        Robert,

        Why do you feel that this life is all that there is? This is only one stage we walk, as the curtain drops here we walk the next stage.

        Just like when you turn off your Telie its not gone, its just not on in your home. Please try and Dig deeper into the meaning of life, stop tossing pasta at the wall to see what will stick.

        • Robert Smith

          “Just like when you turn off your Telie its not gone, its just not on in your home. ”

          Actually I can turn of a television transmitter any time I want from any keyboard or telphone. Then there is no telly in any homes.

          Rob

      • Bruce D.

        I think that is a reasonable request Robert Smith. It seems like the same problems exist throughout history. The system does seem flawed. Not as perfect a creation as some would insist.

  • Elaine

    In answer to Rob Smith,

    Why is our God letting this happen to us???? Just think about how we have ignored his teachings, taken his name out of so many things, outlawed prayer, stopped teaching our children about Jesus, and so many other things today which ignore HIS countless blessing we have received from HIM in our country for over 200 years. We need to clean up our act and start behaving like people who deserve God’s love. He is pulling back from us because we are pulling back from HIM!!!!

    • JRC

      Because he is nothing but a fraud, invented by man to control the superstitious masses?

      • Teresa

        U can not disprove the Bible…that is a fact! God is real! As a christian I will pray that you seek God.

        • Joseph Francione

          Teresa, here is a must read for you:

          The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy
          C. Dennis McKinsey

          http://www.amazon.ca/Encyclopedia-Bible-Errancy-C-Mckinsey/dp/0879759267

          McKinsey has offered a great service to humankind in that he has made it easier to refute the nonsense of religion. True Believers a la Hoffer (THE TRUE BELIEVER) cannot be saved from their own bigoted ignorance, however McKinsey makes it almost possible. Those less then TRUE believers who claim to worship truth and have an open mind will have a hard time reading this book without throwing out the Bible afterward.

          Unlike many might think, I am not an atheist. And although I am an ex-Catholic and ex-fundamentalist Christian I continue to very much believe in God. But now I embrace Deism, the religion of our American Founding Fathers. Unlike atheism or agnosticism, Deism takes the enlightened position that there is a God and then shuts up and sits down.

          McKinsey’s book obliterates Christianity, Judaism and starts to go to work on Islam and Mormonism as well. Only a bigot that cannot stand the truth can fail to agree with McKinsey’s logical conclusions and reasonable arguments. Even though his distaste for the charletans that sold us “revealed religions” shows through, his logic cannot be disputed logically. Of course it may be disregarded by those it threatens.

          However, this book can’t touch Deism simply because Deism makes no outlandish claims of miracles, contradictions and supernatural beings. And it doesn’t claim to have a body of “revealed scriptures” that have been handed to it by God or one of his angels or agents. McKinsey points out the ludicrousness of this “revealeed religion” nonsense beautifully.

          Unlike what many Fundamentalist Christian mouthpieces might say Jefferson, Paine, Washington, et al were most definitely Deists and NOT CHRISTIANS. Jefferson even edited out the nonsense from the gospels in producing his Jefferson Bible, hardly the work of a Christian who can “neither add nor take away from the word of God!” Yet that doesn’t stop Fundamentalists from dropping names in an attempt to “prove” that Christianity is the religion of America. Too bad, Jefferson simply was as much a Christian as McKinsey.

          McKinsey’s E.of B.E. greatly simplifies the task of uncovering the many contradictions, incorrect “facts” and hypocrisy of the Bible. It is well worth the list price as it is a hardbound quality book that will last longer then the average Bible. I hope it lasts longer for more than one reason.

          Joseph Francione, author, HOW TO SAVE AMERICA AND THE WORLD

          • jimbo

            You pick on people who have possilby little theological background. I on the other hand have MUCH. Your errancy claim will not stand any reputable debate whether you want to debate the original language or the contexts.

            We pray for folks like you who subvert the truth. And as for a lasting book, I must remind you that the Bible is THE unique piece of literature in the world, as it has withstood many and various means of destruction and harm by folks like you (all of whom are now in the dustbins of history).

            Faith is imparted in the Word of God. Faith is a necessary component of believing in the God of the Bible. Just because you have no faith, does not prove a falsehood.

          • Viktor Leben

            Hi Joseph !
            You need to trust me on this .. those books written against the Bible’s inerrancy are childish in their arguments.

            For example, You might read in some of them books that God was wrong in ordering the Israelites to wipe out a nation (including woman and children). Or how about when the prophet Elisha was made fun of by a group of children and a bear came and ripped them all to pieces.

            The problem is we try to make God in our image. The fact is we are made in God’s image. God does what He wants. No one can judge Him. Not even them dumbass critics of God and the Bible ….

            God will show mercy when/where He wants or be mankind’s Judge. Right now He offers us forgiveness and eternal life thru Jesus . This sure is a good time. If/when that offer is withdrawn at the end of the Church Age we will see God’s wrath…

            God and the Bible are real … get use to it !!

          • Teresa

            Joseph, I need not read your book. You see, scientist and authors from all over have tried to discredit the Bible since beginning of time. God told us…that this book, his word, the Bible would never be destroyed…you can take YOUR VERSION and misquote it any way you would like, that does not mean the Bible is false! You see, you nor anyone has ever, and never will prove the Bible to be false, the best you can do is misinterpret and spread false lies of his teachings and his Word. A person has to educate themself in their studies of the bible to have a close relationship w/God. And yes you do have to have faith. And my faith is in God, not Man.

          • Kate8

            Joseph, You won’t find God with ANY ism. In fact, it is only when we, finally, let go of ALL previously held beliefs and isms that we begin to glimpse the truth.

            Scriptures hold many layers of truth. Only now are a few beginning to see beyond the commonly held misinterpretations. God said that man would not begin to understand what scripures mean until the Last Days, when things would be revealed to those who persevere in their understanding.

          • Jim Cumber

            Joseph Francione: I would probably agree with the statements in the recommended volume about Islam. As a student of the Middle East, I have discovered that Islam (having read no less than 3 translations of the Quran into English!) is one of the most convoluted and inaccurate “religions” on the planet! For instance, the Quran confuses Miriam, the sister of Moses, with Mary, the mother of Christ, despite the fact that these two persons are separated by at least 1,400 years! Several other, similar examples could be cited…

            Allah is actually a pagan, Babylonian, “Moon God” (hence the crescent moon as the universally recognized symbol of Islam), “exported” to Arabia long BEFORE the birth of Muhammad. It is so fouled up and confused that it is almost impossible to understand the text without resort to the commentary of Muslim Mullahs, and quite difficult, even then! I would probably NOT agree with the statements about the Jewish and Christians and CERTAINLY NOT about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! The LDS scriptures are the most plain, simple, and logically consistent of any I have yet read!

          • Bruce D.

            Joseph, Washington was not a deist as most of the founders were not. I do not understand why people keep saying Washington was a deist when he is well know for prayer and for his belief in divine intervention. The few that were deist like Franklin and Jefferson did not have the animosity that you have for religion. You have a right to your beliefs as do others. Why be derespectful unless your beliefs are not strong enough to sustain you.

          • Karolyn

            Thanks for the info,Joseph – I have just started reading “Mis-quoting Jesus” and am interested in other works regarding the Bible.

      • JC

        Al religions are a matter of faith, not scientific debate.
        I have no problem with people who worship whatever they want, however they want. That is, until they start advocating my death…then they are a gang of thugs, not religious worshippers.
        So there is no point in the athiests of the world trying to distract from the main argument by shouting down people’s faith. It’s a complete waste of time.
        But then Libbies are prone to that sort of behaviour, and I’ll take a gun toting Christian over an open minded Communist any day of the week.

        • Bruce D.

          Good point JC and I agree with that.

        • Jim Cumber

          Sorry, JC, there have been several scientific techniques which have been brought to bear on Biblical texts and those of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which elevates them from simple exercises in pure faith, to expeditions into “hard” science disciplines, such as mathematics, computer science, and stylometry. The LDS Church has a fitting hymn, that begins: “How firm a foundation, ye Saints of the Lord, is laid for your faith in his excellent Word…” Though not, specifically, referring to these scientific exercises, the song, nonetheless, makes an EXCELLENT point…

          • JC

            I think we know that Jesus existed and just when and where can be sought through science. Science can not explain nor verify if he was the Son of God, nor the existence of God himself. That’s where faith comes in.

          • Robert Smith

            BELIEVE and you will SEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

            Rob

      • alpha-lemming

        Isn’t this a GREAT country, wherein it allows people to worship the deity of their choice…….. even when that deity is “nothing”.

        Let us consider that “God” is synonymous for things that are bigger than us or beyond our control. To bow at the altar of your (there is no) God, there is only one legititmate position from which to argue. You must believe there is no person or people, no occurance, no situation, no set of circumstances…. no THING in the universe that is “more important than me”.

        Certainly goes a long way to explaining why you guys think you can alter the climate to your liking. After all…. you’re God!! And sad to say, it’s the same reason we’ll never be able to have any dialog. I’don’t think you’re the most important thing in the universe… and where do we find common ground/compromise on your position?

        • Randy

          Jesus The Christ, and son of God.

    • MR MYTH

      It’s part of the plan!

      Lest anyone be lured into thinking that the world communist movement has shifted its strategy and tactics over the decades, here are excerpts from “COMMUNIST RULES FOR REVOLUTION,” a document that was captured by allied forces in Dusseldorf in May, 1919. It might explain some of today’s happenings:

      (I’m not making this up, it’s verbatum.)

      A.Corrupt the young, GET THEM AWAY FROM RELIGION. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness.

      B. Get control of all means of publicity and thereby:
      1. Get people’s minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
      2. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.
      3. Destroy the people’s faith in their natural leaders by holding the latter up to contempt, ridicule and obloquy (disgrace).
      4. Always preach true democracy BUT SEIZE POWER as fast and ruthlessly as possible.

    • Robert Smith

      From Elaine: “HIS countless blessing we have received from HIM in our country for over 200 years. We need to clean up our act and start behaving like people who deserve God’s love.”

      Yup, for the first part of America’s life there were no drug laws, no anti-abortion laws, no prohibition, little organized crime, no defense of marriage act…

      Rob

  • Joyce from Loris

    I agree with most comments. We are a force to be reckoned with, but the problem as I see it is this…. It is hard to get people to stand together, to agree enough on the issues to make a “force”. We are divided in so many ways, and you have so many “groups” that are against the “other groups”. As for me and mine, we are not just worrying about being prepared. We are changing our life styles. We are going back to nature, and learning to take care of ourselves. We are growing our own foods, preparing our foods, etc. We are educating ourselves daily on the ways to fend for ourselves. It is amazing, when you really tear your life apart under a microscope, the things you can learn about yourselves. I can’t tell you how hard I have worked to make money, only to take it to the closest restaurant, and hand it over! I could have taken that time and cooked our own meals, with the food we grew ourselves! I could have feed my family for a month on what we spent on one dinner out! We have turned into a materialistic nation. We live in homes that cost $500,000 with three or four TV throughout, swimming pools, hot tubs, three or four vehicles in the yard, four wheelers, boats. My God, at the money we have thrown away. I have pictures that I spent $300 to $400 on, for EACH ONE! I have sold those, along with the beautiful, expensive what nots. I have traded the $400 corporate suits for very comfortable jeans and sweat pants. I have gotten rid of the $60,000 Crossfire I drove, and now have a pick up truck. Oh, yes, we got rid of the $500,000 house as well. We live on a two hundred acre farm, in a nice little house. Life can be good! Instead of worrying about making a million a year, I worry about the birds eating my berries! Life is good, and the W.B., I.M.F. and the Federal Reserve can kiss my butt!

    • Teresa

      No, not really…this is where common sense is lacking…we ea. know right from wrong plain and simple! People, government and religions have made it into more than nothing but politically correct! We know RIGHT FROM WRONG end of story, we know what we should do only some choose differently due to greed, vanity, pride…etc…but the fact remains, we know what is right!

      • Joyce from Loris

        You are right, however, your definition of “right and wrong”, I promise you, differs from what a muslim considers to be “right and wrong”. Do you think it is wrong to invade another country, take welfare checks, food stamps, etc., from a system that you have never supported? Well, the illegal mexicans do not think it is wrong. Do you think, as a small business owner, that it is wrong to NOT pay any taxes on your profits? Well, the small business owners here in America WHO ARE FROM INDIA, for example, thinks it is all good that they can own a “small business” and not pay taxes for 7 years. Do you think that it is OK that there are a set of laws in America that are for a certain “group” of people? Well, there is a “group” of people, namely the NAACP, that think it is just fine that there are a set of rules for them, namely the Civil Rights Act. I think that all laws of this nation should be for EVERYONE, not just a certain group. That’s what I mean by “you can’t get everyone to stand together for a common cause”. So called “Americans” have too many definitions in this country today. My ancestors were native Americans on my mother’s side, German Irish on my Dad’s side. His ancestors came to this country in the early 1700′s. Every generation of his family has served in the military and fought in every war America had. Yet, someone who’s parents came here from Cuba in 1950 feel they are as much of an American as I am. I disagree, but that’s just me. Common sense left this nation and these people decades ago.

    • Dan az

      Joyce from Loris
      I did the same thing 16yrs ago and when I do go to the city I wounder how anyone can live like that,and have any hope for a future.All I see is people working to spend on frivolous things to keep up with the Jones.There is know meaning to their lives other than work play spend know future.By the way where is loris?I remember you saying that they where threatening you that you couldnt even fish your own pond without a lic.How did that work out for ya?

  • Bobby D

    DON’T TAKE THE “MARK”

  • Gary

    I really think that a reduction of the US dollar will also kill the elite in the end as they will break their own servo loop of profits and suffer defeat as their mass owned assets are reduced in value. Their best bet I think is to prop up the dollar and keep their stranglehold on us forever. We are already beginning to understand what has happened in 1913 if were forced to suffer enough there will be a backlash I would guess. I see there is always protests at G20 meetings and they were growing until recently. Maybe the writer is right and we will suffer death by a million cuts but for now I think the Corps and elites are rethinking this for stabilization of the world, not taking it over. Lets hope so anyway.

    • DaveH

      Only cash money or cash savings are affected. Their real property and other hard assets are not affected by dollar devaluation. They know what they’re doing unlike most of the people.

      • Joyce from Loris

        What about the never ending taxes on these properties? Will the amount of taxes be affected by this?

  • Radical Thinker

    The real issue is that they are breaking the established laws that govern our Country, to change the laws so that the American way of living will be against the law. If we the people cant hold them accountable for breaking the established laws that are already in place how are we going to stop them from making the American way of life against the law. The only way to do that is to realize that every generation must stand for truth, and realize that freedom is a gift from God but it requires us to be willing to say give me liberty or give me death. To God be the glory for his Kingdom will win in the end because Jesus is Lord of lords and King of kings.

    • Teresa

      Very well said….we have to pay closer attention to the judicial system. The judges are being appointed and people are not taking notice until its too late and then we hear about another right taken away and then we all start crying wolf….we have to stay on our congress men/women and pay attention to ALL our surroundings…local officials…but especially the judiciary.

  • http://Vodacom Bertie

    Theresa and Robert Smith, You obviously do not know a lot about God.Your cry’s are good and action needs to be taken. Then again you do not realize the might of the taxpayer. If ALL Americans feel the same and you feel that Your taxes are being misspent, why do you keep on paying taxes?
    Bertie
    South Africa

    • Rex

      Because we the people of the US know that if we don’t pay their taxes we go to jail!

    • Shibamom

      We keep paying our taxes because we also know that it’s the “little people” that get caught not paying and we go to jail. The folks with lots of money can afford to pay lawyers, etc., to get them off. But typical middle class Americans cannot. At least, that’s why I pay my taxes. I don’t like it, I think we’re taxed way too much, AND I think we are being robbed big time. But…I don’t want to spend a large portion of my life in prison and have the rest of my life ruined because of a criminal record. You see, our Government has made it it’s business to criminalize as many hard working Americans as possible so they can make examples of what happens when you don’t toe the line. I’m sick of the entire lot of political elites!

      • Jim Cumber

        The only reason the “elites” get away with “highway robbery” is that average Americans have not realized that we can have “legal insurance”, just like they do in Europe, where they have had it for about a century. In some European countries, you can’t own a house, a car, or even get married without some form of legal insurance.

        Such legal insurance has only been available in America since about 1972. Look up “Pre-Paid Legal Services Inc.” It was started by Harlan Stonecipher, after he had to fight a frivolous law suit from a traffic accident in 1969: he was NOT driver charged with being “at fault” in the accident! Pre-Paid Legal is traded on the New York Stock Exchange (ticker symbol “PPD”) and has an EXTREMELY good “Family Plan” for legal “life events”, that covers ALL of the family: husband, wife, and all children.

        Most folks understand the need for health insurance, but few realize that one is nearly 3 times as likely (in this litigious society) to be hauled into court as to be laid up in the hospital. The issue is not whether a not you have actually USED a lawyer, but rather, whether or not you have NEEDED to use a lawyer, in your lifetime! Ever signed a contract, such as for a new home, or a new car? Ever have a traffic citation? Ever had your identity stolen? If the answer to any of these is “yes”, then you have NEEDED a lawyer, even if you did NOT have one!

    • Teresa

      Bertie, I do not know if you misunderstand me or what but I am a single mother and raise 2 nieces WITHOUT ANY GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE and I pay my taxes and yes I know my God! I know that God is what WE need to be turned to for strength and WE need to stand together!

    • DaveH

      They would just print more money and create more debt, Bertie. They don’t really need our tax dollars. The only way to stop this is to educate the electorate. Start by getting our kids out of the Propaganda Schools.

      • Denniso

        Yep, everything will be alright if we just homeschool all the kids. We all know that the public schools are at the root of all the evil we see going on today,here and around the world.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Bertie, I don’t know how things work in South Africa, but in America, if you do not pay your taxes, our government will seize your property, garnish your wages, seize your bank account and every penny in it, AND put you in jail for tax evasion. Now, if things are that different in your country, let us know. Maybe a few of us will risk learning what it means to be an immigrant. In the United States of America today, the only person that can LEGALLY BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST is the white male. Our own government discriminates against white men. Don’t believe me? Go to you tube, type in “white men need not apply” and watch the video. Our own United States Department of Agriculture sent out our newsletter last April, discussing programs and loans available to farmers to help them. Of course, it stated that white men were not eligible due to the fact they are not considered “socially disadvantaged”. In who’s opinion, you might ask? Well, the governments, of course. THEY determine who is and who is not socially disadvantaged.

    • MR MYTH

      By definition all property taxes, personal or real, are extortion.

      Government holds threats over the people if you don’t pay them X number of dollars for whatever property you might own. MISUSE OF AUTHORITY!

  • http://com i41

    All together, thank you, to the liberial progressive group, known as the National Marxist Communist Democrat Union Party. It has been and alwas, and will keep trying for their untimate goal, of turning the USA, into a totalition dictatorship. There has been rinos who finally have to changre over to a socialist when they can no longer get elected as phonies, but some always slip in.

  • Howard Roark

    To Sleeve: the main argument by the bankers for the Federal Reserve is that it would smooth out the large up and down swings in the economy. history has obviously proved that to be wrong. it obviously is not working.

    Why is it that the States must balance theit budgets but the Fed. Govt does not have to. it is because the States cannot print money. if the country had stayed on the gold standard the Fed Govt would also be prevented from creating money out of thin air.

    History has clearly shown that the reason that any Government goes to a fiat paper money scheme is so it can steal from its citizens with inflation. example: when the fraudulent Social Security first stole a dollar from me (1959) candy bars were a nickle. I could buy 20 candy bars with that dollar. The Soc. Sec. system recently gave that dollar back to me and claimed that they had paid me back 100 percent. thats odd because the dollar that was returned to me will not buy three candy bars. Im sure that you have heard the liars in the Social Security Administration say that you will get back more than you pay into Soc. Sec. dollar for do;;ar that is true but I WILL NEVER GET BACK THE BUYING POWER THAT WAS STOLEN FROM ME.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Howard, you are so right. That dollar will not buy ONE candy bar, much less three. Thieves, all of them. And everyday, you and I work like dogs to supply them with OUR MONEY.

  • Randy

    Tom says:
    November 22, 2010 at 7:34 am
    This is exactly why they are trying to disarm the populus. The rich can control the people, only if the people are disarmed. the very FIRST thing Hitler did was to ban all guns in germany. As long as Americans have guns, they, the ruling class, will have a hell of a time keeping some of us in check.
    Randy says:
    The war in Iraq and Afghanistan my just be practice for are all voluntary armed forces. They knew Iraq would be door to door combat with an armed population. Now the armed forces have the experience to handle it. Afghanistan is like the open spaces on the western USA. The powers that be will call Marshall Law and the same troops will come to control the population. What makes you think gun owning Americans can do any better against high tech night vision, helicopters, tanks, and trained mercenaries’?
    If you head for the hills, drones flying high using advanced GPS and FLEER will spot groups in complete darkness at 20,000 feet. You will be killed with a rocket before you know what hit you. Yes I know we defeated the British Army in 1776 with a few poorly armed people with a dream. But remember both sides had the same basic weapons. Today it would be like 1776 but the British have Drones, Jets, night vision, tanks, and much more. Maybe after it’s over the super elite will use what’s left to build pyramids for themselves for glory.

    • JRC

      Bawahahaha., What you wanna do with your guns against armored vehicles and other military hardware that the ruling class has access to? NOTHING. Its just wet dreams if you believe you can do anything with your rifle and handgun against rockets,tanks, drones and mortars.

      • Jimmie

        The same soldiers who would be required to put down a population in this country are the ones defending this country oversees. Before these soldiers would somehow change their stripes and kill innocent civilians because their command-in-chief desires it, there would be a military coupe to take back the government. Our boys in uniform today are defending our country for the right reasons and are not blind robots just following orders.

        • Randy

          Some may object to turning a gun on fellow Americans but the government is smarter than that. They are going to sweeten the pie for the police and military. Let’s say you are 19 or 20 years old when this goes down, and you are in the military. The streets are swarming with rioters and people with guns. Even if it was a peaceful protest, all they have to do is insert some operatives in the crowd to start the chaos by shooting people. This will give the media cause to start reporting on the killing by armed bandit protestors and start the fear going. The military tell media and people they need our protection and call Marshall Law.
          They tell you anyone looting or with a weapon can be shot on sight, to bring order or the federal government will fall. They also tell you your family will be protected because you are in the military. They will evacuate your family to a protected military base. Will you toss down your weapon and say this is unconstitutional and risk being one of the crowd with no protection, leaving your family to fend for themselves? Or do you do as the rest of your fellow military group does and take on the mass mob mentality like psychology says you will do? What you seem to not understand is there are some bad people in the government that work for a paycheck and raw power. People who will take you away with no charges and no lawyer, and torture you just for fun. These are not the common grunt solders. These are well paid people with the power to kill you with no consequence. CIA, Black ops, FBI, Secret Service, and now contractors hired by the United States such as Backwater and others have no problem with your constitutional rights. Wake up! You are a bug to be smashed! You can write your congressman, just be sure to include a money order for cash for twenty to forty thousand cash. The government under the New World Order has had time to play out many scenarios to handle an uprising. I don’t know what the answer is but I do know Democrats and Republicans are the same thing. They are both taking corporate interest over the people. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a veteran and respect our troops. It’s just easy to be mislead, even people with 20 years in will not know what’s really going on.

    • Concerned American

      This is what I have been saying…. the fate of our republic is ultimately in the hands of the military. When and if the crap hits the fan our military (hopefully) will split into two factions. Those that will follow orders no matter what and those that stand up and say wait a minute (such as oathkeepers). Its a question of how many blindly follow orders. If enough military side with the banksters / Pentagram / top level NWO generals and POTUS issuing the orders, then America is #%@##% and all you morons praising the US troops on many federal holidays will feel like idiots when they march you into pits before murdering you Nazi style. If enough military sides with the people against the controllers… we have hope, HOWEVER, “Civil War 2″ could leave our country so weak that China and Russia just come and mop us up….

      Tis a scary time we are headed to… No question about it. The last time we had a Great Depression, a lunatic madman killed 6 million of an entire race like cattle and caused a war that killed millions more. Who knows what horrors will result from Great Depression 2? All I know is that a soldier and an oathkeeper, I know what side of the fence I will be on. I look at pictures of starving Jews in WW2 and starving African children today and I know exactly how I want to die at least… I want to die a quick and violent death in defense (let be clear that pre-emptive violence is NEVER ok IMO) rather than prolonged starvation and despair.

      • Teresa

        Very well said, even the oathkeepers are getting hit hard from top officials.

      • JC

        Thanks fo0r the observation / statement.
        You really do have to wonder just how brain washed the military is or isn’t…
        Those people are our family, friends and neighbors. If they choose to come against us they are traitors to America and it’s open season on them. If they choose to defend Americans and the Constitution, I will pledge my life beside theirs to put down the nazi forces of the banksters. But as you say, who will be watching the back door?

        • Concerned American

          This is why I think any prediction of how America turns out decades from now is just crazy. I see many different scenarios unfolding… We are headed for bad times though. That much is absolutely certain. Tent cities will grow, starvation in America will grow, homelessness will grow, etc.

          People make fun of survivalists as being some crazy rednecks or something, which I don’t understand. To me, being labled a survivalist who can live without modern civilization should be considered a badge of honor… sort of like being really muscular like a body builder, being a doctor, etc.

          • JC

            Certainly it’s a good idea to stock up on essentials and be ready to defend whatever you have. Better to be prepared and wrong than the other way around. Community is a good idea too. Get people involved. People with military or police experience as well as woodsmen and hunters should be part of the group.

          • Joyce from Loris

            You are right, and don’t forget…. TEACH THE CHILDREN! They are the ones who will be left behind to forge a new world. Today’s society has forgotten how to be self sufficient, thanks to a government that has taught us that we must depend on them. Learn what you need to know and teach the children.

  • Resist

    So many sites, newsletters, books, speakers have eloquently stated all the above for decades. What is always, and still is, missing is what an individual can do to resist. Where is the guide that enables people to passively resist? Talking, moaning and preparing food stores victimizes us further and feeds defeatism. Any suggestions?

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    Spend your fiat money and save real tangible stuff.

  • JRC

    Gold, Gold, gold,
    Buy gold…..the only people to gain from this are the people that control the fiat currency in the first place…the gold dealer billionaires and their crooked manipulators on Wall street that push the price up and up and up. The little man will end up holding nothing he can use if there is a collapse. Nobody in his / her right mind would trade any fruits from they’re fields and gardens for worthless metal.You could come to me on your knees and bring a ton of gold and I would not give you even one potato from my fields.
    The only reason the gold price is so high is speculation and greed. If there is a collapse of civilization, and it really goes into the cellar like many predict, it will take a hundred years to rebuild. People will need steel to make plows and other materials to build a rudimentary society. Gold will be useless.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      “The only reason the gold price is so high is speculation and greed.”

      Not true…what your looking at is a devalued dollar..so Gold’s intrinsic value remains the same, it just takes more currency to purchase it because the currency is depreciating in value due to an inflated money base.

      • Denniso

        Not true…gold is up because there is increased demand,particularly in India. And there is much demand created by the fear mongers proclaiming that the world is ending and everyone should buy gold. I’m not sure what good gold will do when we have no food and water,but I trust the big shots know the answer.

        • Randy

          Same situation happend in the late 1970′s with Pres. Carter. Gold and silver jumped to high levels. I purchased a house, at nineteen while in the military at a whopping 18% interest rate. Things were looking bad. The savings and loan industry had been deregulated and caused the first housing crisis. It was the same story on the news and congress was talking the same as today. In 1980 congress talking points were “our children will be paying this debt of many years”. Congress had the resolution trust take over the situation and sell off assets. Precious metals shot up in price! Then went down again.
          The problem is you can never tell if this time it is the big-one or not.

  • Raggs

    They the elite.. want to put everyone into slavery… They will do away with “paper” money and use a micro-chip implant instead.

    • Concerned American

      I don’t think they will be able to do this without world war 3 first. Anybody who calls themself a christian would have to see that this would obviosly be the mark of the beast and they should know if they accept the mark, they damn themselves to Hell. With any other “sin” you can get right with God later at least. I think once you get the mark of the beast you are 100% #%#% and damned to Hell.

      • Raggs

        True… That is exactly why I said what I said…

        I see it as the “mark of the beast” And I think all christians will see it that way as well… I have already made my choice not to accept it even to the point of death…

        Once we have the knowledge of God it is easy to see what this “new world order” is and how it will be used to inslave the following of the anti-christ…

      • home boy

        i’m just curious where in the bible you found the word hell?

        • Randy

          Matthew 5:22
          But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
          Matthew 5:21-23 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter)
          Matthew 5:29
          If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
          Matthew 5:28-30 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter)
          Matthew 5:30
          And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
          Matthew 5:29-31 (in Context) Matthew 5 (Whole Chapter)
          Matthew 10:28
          Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
          Matthew 10:27-29 (in Context) Matthew 10 (Whole Chapter)
          Matthew 18:9
          And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
          Matthew 18:8-10 (in Context) Matthew 18 (Whole Chapter)
          Matthew 23:15
          “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
          Matthew 23:14-16 (in Context) Matthew 23 (Whole Chapter)
          Matthew 23:33
          “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
          Matthew 23:32-34 (in Context) Matthew 23 (Whole Chapter)
          Mark 9:43
          If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
          Mark 9:42-44 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
          Mark 9:45
          And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.
          Mark 9:44-46 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
          Mark 9:47
          And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,
          Mark 9:46-48 (in Context) Mark 9 (Whole Chapter)
          More results from New International Version

          • home boy

            so if god is a god of love why would he send you to a firey place to suffer?

          • JC

            So if the article is about the debauchery of the fiat currency, why are you asking for a theological debate? Why don’t you head on down to the nearest church and spend the day there? This thread is about money and survival.

          • Randy

            No, this is not a religious debate, however God does not want you in hell, Satan deludes you in thinking there is no God, or God is mean. YOU are the only one who sends yourself to HELL.

          • Viktor Leben

            Home Boy says

            “so if god is a god of love why would he send you to a firey place to suffer?”

            Because you deserve it …..

  • OtherTim

    We are in trouble folks, but it doesn’t seem to sink in anywhere. Glenn Beck goes through this daily, but he is labeled a quack, and fearmonger. You won’t hear this from anyone else, certainly not from msm.

    • Randy

      The media moguls OWN Glenn Beck. If they thought he was any kind of threat he would be gone ASAP.
      When the elite turn on us, they will use the FBI, NSA, and CIA to collect all this information with advanced computers, with the help of Google, Yahoo, and every place possible. The number of people who even have a remote idea of what is going on is very small. You will be labeled a terrorist and possibly have your picture on a deck of cards. Oath keepers will be taken out fast! Your name is already on the hit list.

      • Teresa

        I agree w/your statement…the congress has already passed bill that gives Holder power to shut-of any website he deems “unfit”. The oath-keepers are in grave danger I fear and when our communication is blocked, our arms taken…they have us where they want us! They will have us unorganized, unarmed and at their mercy….supposedly.

      • Concerned American

        I want to give Glen Beck the benfit of the doubt. I think his heart may be in the right place after all. A true patriot like Alex Jones remarked on his radio show yesterday that Glen Beck talked about the true seat of power (Rockefeller) in addition to his talk of a lesser minion (George Soros). Alex Jones appreciates that Glen Beck seems to be covering things more and more… Alex predicted yesterday that Glen Beck may in fact go the way of Lou Dobbs from CNN sometime next month in December… He may get fired from Fox News.

        The thing is, Glen Beck has nothing to fear from being fired. Being fired or “mysteriosly killed” by agents of the NWO / fox News would wake up alot of his followers. Also, similar to Lou Dobbs (if Glen was just fired) he could easily have his own radio program and still be well off.

        Glen Beck, I want to believe that you are a good person at heart. I listen to you often on the radio, and I especially like the way that you are very non-radical in your methods of how to engage in against tyranny (i.e. like MLK JR and Ghandi and NOT LIKE Malcomb X, Bill Ayers, or Che Guenevara)

        • JeffH

          Concerned American, I happen to agree with what you’ve just said.
          Who is it that wants to discredit Glenn Beck? Good, bad or indifferent, Glenn Beck is doing all of you a good service.

          • Randy

            I change my position that Glenn Beck is part of the system controlled by elites. That is what a debate is, give and take, reason will come to the surface. I agree he has made some statements that are getting the sideline population to just start thinking about American freedoms. This is a good thing if they listen and hear the truth. Thanks for your comments, I was wrong.

  • Patrick Henry

    Thank God for the Tea Party, the elite do not have control over Patriotic Conservative Principals of American voters. Maybe this will spread worldwide.

    • Raggs

      The elite care not one red pimple about the “tea party”…

      If you have been paying attention to the news obama, pelosi and reid have shunned the efforts of the tea party….
      So don’t get your hopes up on a party of the people…

      • JC

        You’re wrong about that. Dead Wrong.
        They’re watching the Tea party and its momentum like hawks.
        We DO have the power to turn this thing around.
        Try and be a little more positive for God’s sake! :)

        • JeffH

          …from a tiny seed grows a mighty tree…

  • Disabled Veteran Brian

    PW, you do say succinctly what I mostly see…silver and gold, oil and bullets, trust in God…gave up my guns after my term in service…tired of that….it wasn’t until 911 that I went out and took up arms again…we are under attack on all fronts. A blind man could see it…those that do not carry a sword can still die by one.

  • http://none b. teague

    This world crisis has been predicted for centuries. Stockpiling food and oiling our guns will be futile in the face of a starving populace
    that is also armed and comes for your stockpile. Neighborhood war will erupt. Famines and diseases will become the order of the day for all nations. In the midst of this chaos a world leader will arise and restore order at the expense of all personal freedoms. He will require total submission to his rule and dissenters will be executed. One must receive an identifying mark in order to buy food or they will starve. That foolish old Bible has provided the script and the world leaders are learning their lines for the final act. “The fool has said in his heart there is no God”!This is the reality show of the ages unfolding before the blinded eyes of a retarded world.

    • Raggs

      You said it!!!!!

      Maybe some of the readers here will wake-up to what is going on.
      The good news is that God will prevail.

      • Bob Wire

        I’m not convinced God is overly concerned with monetary policy.

        • TIME

          Bob,
          I agree with you 100% on your statment.

      • Viktor Leben

        “Our country, tis of thee. Sweet land of Liberty” has committed alot of ABORTIONS … The massive killing of Babies before they are born, mostly out of convenience. The American Woman and her Abortion Doctors put is in this mess. Then the effeminate American MEN didn’t put an end to it.

        So you people – Stop whining and complaining. Y’all destroyed yourselves …

    • Concerned American

      you might be right, however those starving without stockpile will be at a disadvantage unless they vastly outnumber those guarding the stock in doors. Consider also, that someone starving may not be driven to the extreme of dangerous home invasion where people inside are likely armed until they are starving for several days / weeks and somewhat weak compared to those inside who have been eating at least a few calories a day. In the end its better to start with a stockpile than to not have one to start with.

  • http://ordy@fedtel./net Eric g

    I suspect The vaportrail from the Jet airplane seen off the California coast , may have actualy been a warning signal from a foreign country that we are trying to screw out of the debt we owe them . It seemed to work too , becuase our money went up in value and our commodity markets dropped fast in three weeks considerabley .

    • Viktor Leben

      Eric,

      What sometimes happen when a people get evil, a foreign invader comes and erases them and their culture. Kind of like the illegal immigrants are doing. Better learn Spanish.

      Now you have all this overpopulation in Asia. Here they come ! I’m just speculating, but it seems this isn’t the first time an European people were erased from North America, and it probably won’t be the last.

      Hey, we had our chance — right ? To bad we blew it …

    • JeffH

      Eric g, I’ve read that the “vapor trail” may very well have been a missle launched from a Chinese submarine some 30 miles off the coast of California. Could this have been a “shot across the bow” from the Chinese?
      Remember that the President was abroad being diplomatic, which means he was trying to placate China concerning our handling of debts by printing money. The Chinese do not want our debt to them paid in cheapened US dollars, though it appears our current plan is to do just that.

      China, on the other hand, is devoting a major portion of her GDP to defense spending, and what better way to show the US who’s serious about this than by slipping a missile-equipped submarine right under the nose of one of our largest cities?

      Once again it appears that the leaders of this nation have chosen to disguise the truth and keep the American people in the dark on an issue that constitutes a major threat to the entire population of the United States of America.
      http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-new-york/was-mysterious-missile-launch-a-chinese-signal

  • Paul Clark

    We all know what is wrong and the direction we are heading is clearly wrong. I have yet see anyone stand up and say here is the clear choice and what we should do instead.
    The talking heads blame the Democrats and Republicans alike, the Tea Party wants smaller government and lower taxes but no one has said if that will really stop the bleeding in this fiat system.
    I say the people of the country unite, we barter or exchange our local goods and services and to Hell with this plan, their corruption and our demise.

    • Raggs

      I say don’t worry about it, Put your trust in God…..

      • JC

        That’s a little too simplistic Raggs.
        Doesn’t the saying go “God helps those who help themselves”?
        It’s time we helped ourselves.

        • Bob Wire

          I think Goldman, AIG and Bennie got there first! LOl!

          But you are right! and the first place to go to help yourself, ` is inside yourself and ask for wisdom and divine counsel and then apply it with humility.

          • JC

            Agreed.

          • JeffH

            True. We should see who they are attached to…the worlds “elite’ bankers, all commonly linked to??? The Rothschilds…!

          • JC

            And Goldman Sachs? ;)

          • JeffH

            JC, that’s a given…

      • Concerned American

        If all we did was slump to our knees and pray this entire world would be Nazi and there wouldn’t be a Jew left unless the Jew was some really attractive female Jew prostitute or a Jewish mega banker. Pray AND TAKE ACTION for ACTIVE RESISTANCE to tyranny is OBEDIENCE to God.

    • Resist

      Now that’s what I’m talking about! Paul Clark is awake. The red pill or the blue pill folks?

    • Viktor Leben

      Make Viktor Prez for Life. I’ll fix everything !!!

    • Dan az

      Paul Clark
      One way to do that would be succeed from the union! If all of the states where to do that then they would have to rethink their strategy of only having to take over one nation!And when we win then restart the union with the very constitution and bill of rights that they have thrown out.

  • Freedom

    What if the Govt is just waiting for people to put every penny in Gold. What if, at the right time, the Govt will confiscate all Gold! What if the Govt make it against the Law for citizens to own, and takes it back…

    There has been a precedent. Ownership of Gold has already be declared, against the Law, once in this country!

    It was a ten-year jail sentence, if a person was found with one Gold coin. Are we sure that Gold is such a good idea, this is such an easy thing to confiscate…

    • MR MYTH

      We’ve been there and done that already.

      It was illegal to own gold(in Amerika) not to long ago.

      Look it up!

  • Rex

    All this talk about world domination. The US is headed down, our currency is going to collapse. We are in dire straits, sheeple! However, only a few asked why is this happening to us? Some tried to answer that we (the US) have taken prayer out of schools, most have forgotten “God,” and we as a nation have forgotten “God.” First, allow me to say most people do not even know the Name our “GOD.” They call Him “God,” but so do Muslims call their god, god. The Hindus call their god, god. So which god are they talking about? I know of only ONE! He is the ONLY ‘Elohim (God), YHWH. Since the nation doesn’t know Him then it’s difficult to serve someone you don’t know. Second, the Name of the Son of YHWH is NOT “Jesus” but rather YESHUA. Not knowing the Name of the savior one doesn’t really know Him either. Rejecting the LAWS of YHWH is a capital offense. Therefore, those that say that the Law of Moses are invalid today, and have been done away with are only reaping the wrath of an angry ‘Elohim (GOD). Reject His Laws and you reject Him. He will allow all those that reject Him and His Laws to go into bondage and death. Reject His Sabbaths and He rejects you. Reject His Son and His ONLY TRUE Name YESHUA, and He rejects you! This is precisely WHY this is happening to America and world. Not to mention that the tiny nation of Israel is the apple of YHWH’s eye! He is seeking to reunite the Nation of Israel and all this is designed to do so. All those that reject His Laws are going to suffer right along with the rest of the world.

    I do realize most those that read this will criticize this and say that the Law has been done away with. But sir/ma’am, do your own research and find that this is not the case. I was a Christian for 35 years of my life and believed and taught the same thing, until I found out the truth.

    REPENT people! The time of Messiah is at hand! Repent and turn to the Most High YHWH, and reject man’s theology. If you want to know more email me at raywebber1 @ gmail.com

    • RonT

      Sorry friend some of what you say is true, but the other part is untrue. Jesus is Jesus! Whether it is in Hebrew, Greek, or Japanese. Just because you insist that He MUST be called by the Name you say is utter HOGWASH. The Law of God is only for Law Breakers and to make people see they are guilty of breaking the Law and to bring them to Christ. NO ONE can keep the entire Law. But those who make Jesus Christ their Lord and Saviour are free from the guilt of the Law, because where Grace abounds the Law does not exist for them and they are free from the effects of sin. And if you contradict me let me say this: THE LORD REBUKE THEE!

      • Bob Wire

        Hmm, ? Well I’m not going there with you on that but full speed a head!

        However you get there, ~ just get there, is the way I see it. A life’s work is not a destination but a journey.

  • RonT

    They will not use American troops on the USA, instead they will get all our troops overseas in some new war. Then since they know our boys won’t turn on thier fellow Americans they will bring in Chinese troops (hey they need to protect thier Trillion Dollar investments!) to come and quell things. Then they will most likely implement something similiar to an executive order 66 overseas against the soldiers they feel wouldn’t go along with what’s happening back home. Or something along these lines, because you know full well foreign troops would not hesitate to kill Americans. just my humble opinion

    • Randy

      The oath I took in the military was to defend the United States against ALL ENEMIES –FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. All this stuff about not following an illegal order is hogwash! They teach you to follow orders not to question. If you are told this is a DOMESTIC threat that must be taken out, you will do as you’re told, or possibly be shot on the spot.

      • JC

        Then I guess the trick there is for the domestic threats to shoot back.
        That is if they are actually Patriotic Americans.
        And maybe the Patriotic American in unifiorm will be forced to fire the first shot…at the guy giving the orders.
        We live in interesting times…

      • Hunter

        Randy,

        I’m sure you’re aware it wouldn’t be the first time that oath was broken…..

      • Hunter

        I should add that your oath was to defend the constitution, not to blindly follow orders to commit murder. You know very well the military law governing conduct. I can’t imagine you were you trained by Stalin / Saddam / Hitler? Who is the domestic enemy of the constitution anyway?

        Taking it a step further, if Obama (your commander in Chief) ordered you to kill US citizens, would you???

        • Randy

          I am a veteran, and no I would not take that order! The military has been used to put down insurrection in the past and fired on the public. See: Kent State shootings – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia National Guard is in Iraq so I guess that makes them military.

          I’m just saying that at age 19 you don’t have many political thoughts and are under intense mind control to follow orders. I am older and wiser now. That’s why the military has an age limit. Hard to retrain people with ideas of there own.

        • Randy

          Also consider the Civil War, how many fellow Americans were killed by orders from the Federal Government. The south was considered domestic enemies of the constitution. Do you think if you were not willing to be herded into government camps, you would not be considered a domestic enemy?

          • Viktor Leben

            Ditto Randy !!!

          • Concerned American

            The entire Civil War was fought essentially due to a split in the military. You had those who followed the federal government (the north) and those who fought for states rights (the south). As most of the best generals were actually very moral and raised at West Point, etc., they ended up fighting for the south because they were wise enough to see the value of states right. Remember that if you were a grunt soldier fighting for the north, you believed your cause was righteous becuase you were fighting slavery afterall. you didn’t have internet in 1860 to find out that children working in northern factories had it way worse than any southern slave…

            Today for civil war 2, the government would have to come up with some way to convince the military that its cause is righteous. When you consider that CON-gress has an approval rating less than 20% I am sure most know government at best is horribly ineffective and at worst, downright evil.

          • Randy

            The New York Draft Riots (July 13 to July 16, 1863; known at the time as Draft Week[3]) were violent disturbances in New York City that were the culmination of discontent with new laws passed by Congress to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots were the largest civil insurrection in American history apart from the Civil War itself.[4] President Abraham Lincoln sent several regiments of militia and volunteer troops to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working class men, resentful, among other reasons, because the draft unfairly affected them while sparing wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300.00 Commutation Fee to exclude themselves from its reach.[5][6]
            Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned ugly and degraded into “a virtual racial pogrom, with uncounted numbers of blacks murdered on the streets”. The conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool stated on July 16, “Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it.”[7] The military suppressed the mob using artillery and fixed bayonets, but not before numerous buildings were ransacked or destroyed, including many homes and an orphanage for black children.[8]
            “The U.S. government’s first direct conscription of men into the army was the spark that lit a long smoldering racial conflagration.”[9]

    • MR MYTH

      DUDE! KENT STATE ring a bell. Don’t think for a second it can’t or won’t happen here. Besides, they’ve militarized our police forces to subue any uprising. The Govt has been methodically building public tolerance toward over aggessive and unlawful police behavior for decades. Just look at all the COP REALITY shows on the boob tube.

      Every day you read about some skinhead muscle bound drone tazing some kid or old lady. They’ve dropped us down the food chain by training dogs to tear us apart then make it a criminal offence to defend yourself against them. Just last week I read a story where a man(65)fell down some steps intering his own home. Ems was called by his wife, treated him and left. A short time later two cops show up and demanded he go with them to the hospital. He declined saying he was fine, they insisted, he declined again and was promptly tazed,(5 times), handcuffed and arrested for failier to OBEY a police officer.

      They don’t need the military armed forces, they’ve got the police armed forces.

      • Randy

        DITTO!! Mr. Myth, I like the one about the Dog. If you are on the ground with your hands behind your head, many times the police will let the Dog have a few bites on you as a reward for the dogs work. If you have a natural response to defend yourself from being chewed by a big dog and kick or punch the dog, you will be charged with assaulting an Officer of the Law! A felony offence, you will lose your right to vote, own a gun and other rights. Anyone who doubts this walk up and hit a police dog on the butt. I love my animals and they are treated better than I am, but PITA can kiss my %$#@#@. Off the subject a bit, but I heard there was a city in ancient Rome that revered cats as gods. If you accidently ran over a cat in the street with your chariot you would be put to death!

  • http://robertjavorka@gmail.com RJJ

    In reading this article, Wrld. War 3 With Fiat, I was waiting to see a few names like George Soros and others who might be included like, oh let’s see now, Broke Obama. The man who just happens to be Prez as all this not so subtle change is in its infancy but moving along at a rate that set off the watcher’s alarm.
    I want to know who the diabolical bastards are. Can and will the new Republican House stop it dead in its tracks? Or is that next weeks article?

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Doubtfull that this round will be the knock out that is needed. neither partybis equipped for the battle IMHO.

    • JeffH

      RJJ, not to worry. You can bet ole George Soros is tangled up somewhere in this wild web of deceit.

      My suggestion is to support Ron Paul in his quest to Audit the Fed and write every representative continually requesting that they to support an open and complete audit of the Federal Reserve.
      http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-02-28/ron-paul-introduces-bill-to-audit-the-fed/

  • http://msn ricardo russo

    The poor dumb masses that have to fight against the corrupt government officials in DC. Already in two wars creating cost on the military folks and the middle class. Kill the banks. No coffee or donuts anymore, and they herd you in line with two newly hired tellers. Remember that picture at the end of the war in Germany; two children in a room playing with millions of Dutch-marks.

  • http://deleted j.McConnell

    What shape would we be in today had Nixon not
    taken us off the gold standard in 1971 ?

  • Bob Wire

    interesting metaphoric stipulation, full of fears and realities of unseen and unknown enemies and suspected enemies.

    I would think, while effecting everyone on some level, those holding vast wealth the most.

    It’s good, many of you have baptized yourselves in this thought process and dare shadow box with the devil. Just attempted to stay grounded in the process and don’t get so far beyond us , we can’t understand you.

    We are in a war, ~ a war of the minds on many levels.

    If I was to wage a war, my first goal would be to identify the threat and understand what it feeds on and what it wants, adjusting myself accordingly.

    It’s might be a battle I can’t win requiring me to cut losses and focus on smaller victories on other levels, change my position of play.

  • Tazio2013

    For those few true intelligent patriotic libertarians who can handle objective truth, reality, knowledge and not get confused by the usual Hegelian dialectic re the Republikrat hypocrisy, here is an in-depth, MUST READ interview with Oath Keeper Steward Rhodes:

    http://www.thedailybell.com/1541/Oath-Keeper-Stewart-Rhodes-on-the-Rise-of-Authoritarianism-and-How-US-Law-Enforcement-Can-Take-a-Stand-for-Freedom.html

    The reader feedbacks are especially illuminating.

    Semper fi!

    • Teresa

      superb! wonderful…luv it!

  • New Grandpa

    History says that Nero fiddled while Rome Burned. The Rise and fall of Rome is Historically listed at just under a Thousand years. Think there is an Historic Connection here? However we are doing it in much less time….

  • ol butch

    This know also, the IN THE LAST DAYS perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of themselves, covetous , boasters , proud , blasphemers
    disobedient to parents , unthankful , unholy. Without natural affection, trucebreakers , false accusers , incontient , fierce , despisers of those that are good. Traitors , heady , highminded, lovers of pleasures more than GOD.
    Do you recognize any of these things going on today ?
    With legalized murder ( abortion ) and same sex marriage as the law of our land , it is no wonder GOD is no longer pleased with America.
    GOD is not mocked , Whatever you sow, you shall reap !
    I THANK GOD , JESUS is coming soon !

    • Denniso

      Do you see,Bob Livingston,what nonsense your extremist hyperbole leads to? Do you really want to aid and abbett in this sort of non thinking?

      • Hunter

        Do you have the answers? A better crystal ball? “…non-thinking…? Have you looked in the mirror lately?

      • Viktor Leben

        Bob’s article is logical – I’m sure that’s what Mr. Spock would say…..

        Denniso, do you have a messianic complex ? You can’t save idiots ! You really try ! Bob isn’t an idiot. Bob’s hammer (of intellectual wit) is hitting the nail (of reality) right into the knotheads brains. Maybe they will start thinking.

        Have you ever seen the film “Idiocracy ” ?

        • Denniso

          No, I haven’t seen the movie,but it’s on my list. What’s the basic premise of it? And,are you saying that Livingston is only riling up the people here for some higher purpose? I think he’s leading them down the path to confusion,anger and ignorance. If he has a better purpose in mind,I’d like to know.

          • libertytrain

            Denniso – you remind me of the kind of person that just has to post, on a site one claims to loathe, just to hear your own voice and pontificate over your own perceived brilliance. Surely there are other places you can go to do same or are you paid to do this?

          • Viktor Leben

            Denniso,

            You got to see the movie “Idiocracy” ! The beginning of the movie is a bit raunchy, but excellent !! Here’s the hilarious intro on You tube ! Viktor and his wife are just like “Trevor” and “Carol” … we waited to long to have kids ..

            Check it out …HA HA HA HA HA !!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSROlfR7WTo

            You’re talking to “Cleavon’s” descendants on these websites ! Right ? HA HA HA !!! Just Joking !!! (?????) ……

          • Denniso

            Hey thanks for the link…funny but scary and too true. What has this country come to when humor like that is true? I’ve got many friends who also waited to have kids,and then didn’t,or decided that they didn’t want to contribute to the population problem. So we have too many dimwits having 6 or 7 or more kids and taking over the country w/ dimwits.

            Liberty,you and others have wondered if I’m paid to be here…I wish I got paid to argue w/ so many buffoons,but alas…
            I don’t need to hear myself speak, I only have a desire to fight ignorance and harmful stupidity. Can’t you imagine that?

        • libertytrain

          No, I believe you don’t act on anything other than your over-inflated ego which is why you feel the need to straighten us poor ignorant fools out. But that’s ok, most demo libs I’ve run into have your same sad mentality – “do as I say, think as I think.” By the way, your spelling is frequently done in the British style – I’m guessing you must be from somewhere else – go back.

          • Denniso

            So we hate the British now too?

          • libertytrain

            Yes of course, that’s exactly what I said in my comment to you. How ridiculously foolish can you get by creating things that aren’t even there – You really must have your hormones adjusted, you are such a disappointment these days. No shred of civility left in any of your comments. How sad for you.

      • JC

        Whenever I read something you write Denniso, I’m reminded of that Dork Neidermeyer in the movie Animal House running around like an idiot yelling “Be Calm All is Well”. Guess what…nothing is well.
        Nothing!

        • Denniso

          Nothing is well? Did you get your SS check in the mail on time again? Is your furnace heating your house w/ the natural gas piped underground from miles away? Do the gas stations in your city have gas at one of the cheapest prices in the world so you can drive a large car or truck w/o going broke? Do the police still patrol your streets and does 9/11 still work? Can you hop in your newish car and pick up almost any food you want at your local grocery store?

          Maybe you can tell us what isn’t well in our country,not that I think everthing is perfect…but if you want to see a place where things are not well,head to Iran,Somalia,Kenya,Iraq…

          Most of you people are a bunch of cry babies w/ too much free time on your hands. Try doing something to actually help things and people in your community and amazingly,you’ll feel better about ‘things’.

          • Karolyn

            Denniso, This is what I keep saying. Why all the focus on all that is bad, which makes things worse? Focus on all that is good (and there is so much to be grateful for) and things are better. God is all about gratitude, love and joy. Something many people seem to have forgotten. the anger, disdain, hate, bitterness, sadness and fear that comes from so many can only strengthen more of the same.

          • JC

            Group Hug? Let’s sing Kumbaya while the USA goes down the toilet.
            I know you two girls are up for it! ;)

          • Denniso

            You’re right Karolyn,these people would have us believe that we live in a totalitarian and poverty wracked country. They don’t like the millions of jobs saved by Obama,Bush,and the Dems after the crash. They don’t like us having a black president who can actually speak and think. They and their leaders have been actively making the recession worse for 2 yrs by bitching and moaning and crying about the bad economy. All the negative energy going into the rightwing strategy to destroy Obama,and the economy as well,could have been directed to positive actions and helped our situation instead of making it worse.

            It’s pathetic to watch Americans do all they can to wreck the country just because they hate their president.

          • JC

            He’s not my President. And I don’t hate him, I despise him as the traitor he is.

        • JeffH

          JC, see what you’ve done? By hitting a nerve you’ve unleashed the hate monster.

          • JC

            These people are living in some kind of cocoon Jeff.
            And they’ll be the first to go because “All is Well, Rejoice” LOL :)

    • Karolyn

      The world has been corrupt forever. This is nothing new. The only difference today is that we have better cfommunication, so we hear about it all. Also, there’s the correlation between population and the amount of terrible things perpetrated. This would also be true of wars, famine, horrendous weather, volcano eruptions, earthquakes, etc. They have always been around. Maybe the earth is just tired of being abused.

  • Randy

    If you are so smart, give us the answer. We stupid off subject masses need your leadership!

  • H Kirk Rainer

    I’ve heard and read of similar “plans”, and with that, two possible outcomes for the U.S.

    A less severe outcome would be a degrarded economy and lifestyle–an ever dwindling middle-class. The more severe–or worst case–is a land of fiefdoms with resident and regional chaos. The “less severe” presumes limited government support/control (of the sovereign…); the worst case is largely without such support/control–but left to other devises.

    As to the (or a) nation, God’s judgment is rendered through the allowances of governments–not withstanding God’s promises for the faithful. For the individual, the prevailing question is: Whom do I serve? The failure(s)and other features (described in these plans) of governments can shift hope toward the City of God (Saint Augustine).

    Finally, on the matters of public control. The article describes such plans covertly carried out…in the illusions-distractions of war and wealth–where the objectives of personal peace and prosperity take captive or enslave most citizenship.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Marlon Folden

    Oh this is all so exciting stuff about to unfold. The apathy in America and the Church is blatantly obivious for anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear. When I talk to average Sunday church going Christians about this kinda stuff they look at me like I am some kinda lunatic, cause they all think it could never happen in America, and if it does it will be long after they are “raptured”. Same with the vast majority of pastors! They don’t want to offend or scare people, and God forbid they lose their tax exempt status with any kind of sermon that would be considered “anti-government” or treasonist. I stopped going to church! I just can’t take the same old sermonette any longer. When the excrement hits the fan hold onto to your faith, just remember how the jews willignly were herded into the train box cars like cattle. I will know if I live by the sword I will die by it too… so be it!

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Many Many Zombies… People Cannot claim they “didnt know”..its too late for that now.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    This is a 100% truth…To what exact extent is even more upsetting….

    “The fact is, if the ruling powers revealed what they are doing, just a very few would understand, and most wouldn’t care as long as they could have their six-pack and TV so they could watch their football game or American Idol.”

  • sam

    The government has it right. As long as prices stay the same , then the only people making money is the government. The government is attempting to create jobs which is the right thing to do.Then people will be making money too. The people not making money are the investors( companies ) not making money because of poor returns and people not working.It is investors ( companies ) who have investments who are complaining, so these investors( companies) need to create jobs( invest ) so they can make money too!
    Easy isn’t it.
    It is the investors who talk about gold,oil, and other material things that loose value when the governments create money. Material things have value only to people who NEED them. Most people dont NEED these things because they value everyday needs like food, clothing, shelter…..things investors dont value because they have more of these material things than they NEED! Instead , investors need things like gold, oil,material things that will loose their value when the government makes money, so they raise the price of these things so people can pay more for them.If most people dont value these things then they will not buy them which is good for the people and bad for the investors( companies ).
    The goverment has it right! I believe it is the intent of the investors ( companies ) attempting to make this presidency( USA) look bad by not investing to create jobs so they can TAKE the next election wihout having to cheat ( like they did in 2000 and 2004 )through a bad showing of the economy from this presidency.
    That is the ESOTERIC about this recession.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Sam, I must completely disagree with your analgy…if what you say is true then the Communist govt would have made the people rich.

      As far as I (and many others) know Capitolism hasnt failed, the Goverment interferring in it, special interests, lobbyists, corruption between our Republican & Democratic Politicians HAS!

  • http://www.PatrioticChristiansToday.com Chris

    We are living in a very frightening time! We do need to be prepared for what is coming. I do believe in God and the power of God, I agree that many are in denial. They have their heads in the sand, unwilling to put their faith in front of them.
    We will need to stand strong for our country and our faith in the days ahead. I created a website for believers/patriots to join together for strength. Our website was created to unite Christians to stand up for our God, our faith, our flag, our families and our future!! Go to: http://www.PatrioticChristiansToday.com and together we will spread the message: Patriotic Christians Still Trust GOD.

    • DennisC

      Hello Chris,
      I think i will go to the web site and check it out, as you can see most of the people didn’t get the just of the story.

  • chuck

    The story of the present age?
    Fiat money is created to pay off debt created by governments in league with the printers of fiat money. Governments confiscate their citizens’ fiat money through excessive taxation and inflation and apply it to their debt. Debts are honored by debtors.
    Debtors are conditioned from birth to the inviolable principle that all debt must be covered, or paid off. Honor among thieves. However, when government debts become excessive such that circulating fiat money is inadequate, they are forgiven.
    The forgiven balance is “written off”; that it is vanished back into the ether from whence it came.
    The vanished fiat money never existed in the first place as it was created from nothing, but the idea that it must be honored exists, so in the mind, it becomes more real than gold, and wars are fought.
    The only thing required to keep the circus somewhat functional, is belief in the lie that nothing from nothing is something. Consequently, to avert worldwide economic calamity, declare all debts forgiven and start over, like the Jubilee Year outlined in the Bible.
    All the overlords can breathe a sigh of relief, the people can return to peaceful lives, and everyone keeps the stuff he has, (albeit goldless since the great dragons have bought it all with their vast amounts of fiat money).
    Thus we’re all the way back to being villagers at the bottom of the mountains wherein the sleeping dragons are content – so long as we don’t try to take their gold.

    • DennisC

      Governments of all countries are nothing more than common crooks, they are the most evil people on the planet, they will distroy everything and everybody to get what they want, and thats power, they eat while you starve, they believe that they’re above God.
      They will see come Judgement day who has the Power.

      • Denniso

        Now that’s amazing,all gov’ts are evil?? All over the world and in all times? You’re a little off the edge fella.

  • BrotherPatriot

    Thank you, Mr. Livingston for continuing to help keep this information fresh in the publics eye. It is one of the ROOT level items that is wrong w/this country that I have been quoted saying for some time now. End the illegal Federal Reserve, end the behind closed door deals & force our politions to follow transparency and have accountability for their actions, and become aware of what Islam represents to us.

    I commend you for writing it and keeping that soap box in use, good Sir. :)

    Money is how they control us…how they control everything…this of course leads to the control of the media…which is what helps to form the public’s opinion. It all…ALL…links together like the huge math equation that it is. Each bit of information is a dot of information…to close…& people just see a bunch of dots but when you stand back & look at the whole equation…these dots form a picture. Undeniable, historic truths. By following these dots & the money trail we begin to see what has been happening to this world and who has been doing it to us all.

    By getting to the ROOT level of problems, only then can we begin to fix that which THEY want us to believe is not broken…our Country. They are doing everything they can to break the sovereingity of our & other nations…to create “Unions” (like the EU & they want to form us into the NAU (North American Union)) and a single monetary system for the world. These people do not care about us. They care about profit at the expense of humanity & the environment. These are our enemies…the New World Order. The UN, CFR, Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergs, the Illuminati (<—The group that "hosts" them.), the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, The Black Venitian Nobility, the Bushes, and sooooooooo many other various families, organizations and "clubs". It's all true. It's all real. They have been working on this down through the years…passing their Agenda down through their children. It's all connected.

    Thank you also, JeffH, Angel Wannabe, Bitter Libertarian, JC, TIME, Howard Roarke and many, many others that I could ramble off…Ty, for your service & for your work to help spread the truth of this world and who has been in control for so long & what they have done to us w/that control.

    I say…WE the PEOPLE should FIRE them. :D

    God Bless!

  • eddie47d

    Since the world can’t afford to take care of increased population growth then what will be the solution? Poorer nations have large families and few means to move up the financial ladder. So they stay in poverty and gobble up more land or move into slums.The Western world learned this lesson decades ago. Yet we feel obligated to keep supporting their growing populations and their spreading epidemics. That costs trillions of dollars and massive debt forgiveness. Which in turn affects world economies. Why don’t we use responsibility leverage with these countries? I’d rather sell or give them crates of birth control pills/condoms rather than draining our monetary funds. We should not be burdened with this Continual irresponsible behavior of these countries or governments. Some of these countries have a small educated populace.Unfortunately they either control everything or want to move out of their country.(come to USA). So there is no one to break the cycle. These poorer nations are also taking away American jobs which effects us economically.

    • Viktor Leben

      Eddie,

      I partially agree with you, Eddie. Ain’t none of our business if them other countries want to reproduce like bunny rabbits ! That’s where I disagree, it’s none of our business if they want to have alot of children.

      Just don’t have us paying for it !!!! That’s where I agree with you. You had them children, now you got to support them…

      Tell them to buy their own condoms !

  • Howard R Gray

    The currency scams have been around for recorded time, history is replete with examples of monetary fraud by kings and states, clipping coins, adding base metals to the silver coinage and so on and so forth nothing new under the sun. Weimar and Zimbabwe are reminders of what can happen in modern times. Hyperinflation is real, I know, Mugabe mugged my grandfather’s estate.

    Theft of value by government and the elites the sponsor them are also part of the fabric of life as we know it. Inflation, taxation, other forms of peculation are expected or at least they should be. The deception is difficult for many to believe, the bread and circuses are often enough to distract the mind from the reality that our money is being siphoned out of our pockets either directly or by stealth. Taxes and charges hit us but inflation by currency printing are more secret in their action.

    Government is simply a disparate collection or cartel of quasi corporations without any need for fiscal or monetary responsibility they don’t go bankrupt as such they just ask for more like Oliver Twist, the twist is that you have to pay. The current situation is an example of the “Wildebeest Theory” of human action, the people just take it on the chin much like the wildebeest that gets cut down and eaten by lions. The deal is we don’t look too hard at what goes on and get done over and the wildebeest doesn’t get it either, some of them have to die to keep the lions and big cat economy going. Getting financially fleeced is par for the course, if raising taxes won’t do it then inflation, the great stealth tax, is just the ticket. Quantitative easing, another version of the bovine fertilizer system of printing currency, will be used to great effect to rob the folks of the value of their bank accounts and dollars in our pockets.

    Are we really going to take it anymore? Maybe, is the answer, but there are increasing numbers of people who understand the problem we are waking up, this article by John Myers is part of the process, but will the information reach enough of us to act, who knows? The elites seem to think a world government and world currency should be the target for all to achieve. Why are we expected to believe that such an edifice would be any different to the Fed? World government isn’t going to work it quantitative easing on a grander scale will still be there thus I make a prediction that world government will go the way of the League of Nations and the United Nations both of those all but useless, it may exist for a while, but without honest money its reign will be very short and nasty. We aren’t fools, hopefully most of us will twig that the scam is up, the question is what should we demand of those set up over us?

    One answer is private of non state money not mere currency, Hayek has set out both the history of such ideas and a workable way to bring it about. The advent of “real dollars” or R$ would soon bring about a huge change in how things are done, it would end the fiat expansion of bogus currency for one thing. Peoples saving could be protected and investment would be easier if inflation wasn’t such a bug bear in financial decision making. Non state money is the answer, repealing the legal tender laws would be a start that would allow value to move out of the state dollar in direct proportion to the attempts by the state to defraud all of us with inflation. State free money may well evolve anyway in response to potential hyper inflation, if it does well and good, it will have arrived just in time to prevent the mass upheaval of a Zimbabwe of Weimar. The only question you have to decide is are you going to be a Wildebeest?

    Before we get to non state money provision beware, the governing class is about to embroil the nation in the Value Added Tax or VAT, this is their likely solution to extracting more money from the wildebeest. You need in a paragraph or two to understand how noxious this tax is. Sales taxes (which VAT isn’t don’t be fooled) are charged on the consumer only. VAT is, a much more subtle tax, is charged at each economic stage of production or services rendered.

    So how does VAT work? A simple example will make this clear, take a pencil, it has paint and wood, marketing, lead production, machine tools just to name a fraction of the points of production in producing a simple pencil. For each stage of the process, say the paint manufacturer, they charge their customers, in this case the pencil manufacturer VAT on the paint they buy, the pencil manufacturer charges onwards VAT to the warehouse people who in turn charge VAT to the retailer who……in turn charges you VAT. You see the chain effect of all this? The government gets a tax bite again and again throughout the production or service provision chain. To make it a little more insidious, the government allows each tax payer in the chain to defray VAT coming in against VAT going out, that input and output tax is applied and the government gets the difference. Do not be mislead here they aren’t being kind, there is still a huge tax burden distributed though out the economy.

    In the final analysis you and I, the muggings have to pay the tax, at the full rate, often in excess of 15%, in Denmark it is 20%! The neat trick is the government gets a cut at every stage of production between manufacturers and service providers and then charges everyone huge whack at the retailer. Nice! You thought the old sales tax was bad? Not only will the end point tax be high but there will be attempts to raise revenue are every possible stage of the economic process. This is a liberal wealth expropriation scheme nothing more than that. It will be served up as an easy was to solve our problems, you know those old ones, national debt, government entitlements and so on. It will just be another tax, that is what happened in England don’t believe a word they say.

    Do you really want to be a wildebeest? Being a lion isn’t much better if they ever run out of wildebeests they are screwed too.

  • Kathy

    Hey, I knew years ago dummy a country and you take control.Study history, study politics, vote smart.
    How I found out was at nineteen I married a Canadian, and saw three sister-in-laws dragging mountains of books home and doing homework, for hours and studying. They knew all our states and the capital cities; here we barely knew the name of one or two of their Providences they were just that country north of us…does this bot speak strongly on they dummied our country.
    I am not longer married to the Canadian, but I did research after, for years on how Japan, China and other countries educate well their children, starting at an early age. We allowed it, we looked the other way, and now we are in a mess.
    Yet, I refuse to fall into depression or doomed feelings, we are America people research do what is needed to stop what will happen, if we do not take charge and educate ourselves and our children to go back to basics of Constitution and end this nonsense of Elite Prayerful New World Order will take us down, if we don’t act responsibly and stop waiting for others to do what all in our country should do…..people things don’t look well, but to ignore or stop trying to make a difference will not help turn us around. Wake up. Each person is responsible for actions, words and beliefs they hold, as core belief and each is responsible to take actions that are positive and not hide heads in the sand hoping someone else will bring us through. I pray its not too late, I feel it may be, but also hold firm its best I stay positive we will be okay IF enough pay attention. I choose at this moment to stay positive, and put aside doubts…what are you doing?

  • Kathy

    oops in previous post Prayerful should be Powerful if they truly had a connection with Creator, I call God, they would not be trying to take us over. I respect all beliefs, as I can not judge, but we were formed, as a Nation Under God, with religious freedom.

    • Raggs

      We were once a nation under God but are no longer.
      A nation that murders unborn infants cannot be under the grace of God wouldn’t you say?

  • Another Voice

    Hey, folks – this has been going on ever since countries learned how to make money off of wars. Sure, Obama wanted to change the way Washington works, but now he has discovered that he simply can’t because he is not in control of the powers that be in Washington and the rest of the world. He is just a pawn in the eternal game.

  • http://personalliberty.com Ithamar

    A very good article and replies with essential information that must be disseminated. The question to be answered is what inspires these elites to engage such a plan that becomes generational? Any answer must involve metaphysical considerations. The motivation of the mentioned Islamic radicals (all Muslims are radicals) is clear, spiritual slavery to apostate false religion. But what about the monetary elites who believe that they can continue to manipulate Western populations while they make common cause with the Islamic extremist?

  • JeffH

    There is much written about the “Zionist” Rothschilds and their ownership/hold over the worlds economic wealth. The Rothschilds operate out of the financial district in the heart of London, England, known as ‘the City’, covering an area of 677 acres or one square mile (known as the wealthiest square mile on Earth).

    The United Kingdom (as well as the entire European Union), is controlled, directed and governed by the powers that be within ‘the City’. The British throne (the Crown), the prime minister and the UK Parliament are all fronts for the Rothschild Empire, as will the European Commission, Council and Parliament be when the EU assumes its role as global headquarters for One World Government in the not to distant future.

    The Rothschild Empire is today the richest, most powerful, most influential temporal force on the planet. Based primarily in London, UK, it has amassed untold TRILLIONS in wealth over the past 3 centuries to become the prime mover and shaker in international political and financial affairs.

    The House of Rothschild is ardently jewish and staunchly pro-zionist in its religious disposition and affairs. As of the year 2000, they have decided to engage and promulgate “international terrorism” to catalyze and ‘fast track’ their ultimate quest and goal for a One World Government based in the European Union.

    The Rothschild Empire has no love for jews in general, as they were the principal financier of Hitler’s Germany and the prime cause for the Nazi Holocaust. International geo-strategic and geo-political ‘one world’ interests come first, from their perspective.

    Rothschild interests not only control the United States of America directly through the US Federal Reserve, they also control (and weild) the most lethal military fighting force in the world today: the US military. This International [Jewish] Terrorist Empire fights by proxy, that is, they get others to fight, kill and die for them, in this case, deluded and deceived Americans.

    Today, the USA is currently being set up for the fall. Targets: anti-’One World’ US patriots, American freedom and independence, the US Bill of Rights, The US dollar and New York City- London’s chief financial rival for world economic control, dominance and authority.
    http://cherum2.50megs.com/

  • Raggs

    http://www.ihatethemedia.com/newsweek-cover-obama-is-the-god-of-all-things

    I can’t wait until he proclaims himself God…. and he will….
    I’m going to laugh at him when Christ destroys his arse.

  • Charley41

    The ballot box is got work and work soon. Ron Paul has good plans but he is not president material. Newt Gingrich was closet baggage(CFR and 33rd degree member) Maybe Rommney Too. We need to come up with with a good solid American canidate that can clean up the mess or we are all done for.

    • Raggs

      Rommney… NO FREAKIN WAY!
      The only fruit we have to choose from is off of the same dead tree obama grew from…. If obama is the anti-christ he will then be re-elected or at least usurp his position of power ( over the people ).
      If he is not then he is setting the stage for the great leader…
      Either way this goes we don’t have much of a say in it now do we?

  • JeffH

    Here is a surprise everyone should hear about.
    Geithner Says Obama Opposes Depriving Fed of Employment Mandate

    Imagine that U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner said the Obama administration would oppose any effort to strip the Federal Reserve of its mandate to pursue full employment and warned Republicans against politicizing the central bank.

    “It is very important to keep politics out of monetary policy,” Geithner said in an interview airing on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt” this weekend. “You want to be very careful not to take steps that hurt our credibility.”

    “It is very important that we respect and honor what the Congress did when it set up our independent central bank with a mandate to keep prices low and stable over time and to make sure” it promotes “sustainable economic growth,” said Geithner, who was “president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York” before taking over as Treasury secretary last year.

  • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

    To all of you, READ the document “The Protocols of the learned Elders of Zion”

  • Angel

    Remember to be just and holy in all of your earthly affairs.

    Never allow the corrupt to corrupt you in your life’s journey and fear not your earthly death or the deaths of all others for none of you are getting out of your physical life here alive ; )

    God created lucifer and God will destroy him and all of his followers and doers when that time shall pass, so fear not what is about to happen but rejoice in your holy life and love God as he loves you.

    Rejoice

    Angel

    • HFlashman

      Hey…..what can one say after this post? Tells the point…to be a Satan worshipper one must be Christian since Christianity is the sole religion with the devil. So one has to believe Satan exists…thus be a christian.

      So I do have one quetion Angel..which sect of the christian cult should I join to be saved? Which sect is the “correct” one?

      • DennisC

        Your one of the most worthless people I’ve ever read on here, your lack of respect for another person is shameful. I have nothing more to say to you.

        • Denniso

          You can’t handle someone critiquing a religion? It happens all the time on here when people slam the Muslim religion. And he didn’t even slam christianity,he just wondered about the fictional ‘Lucifer” and how to go about being protected from ‘him’. When any religion comes up w/ such nonsense as a ‘Devil’ to scare it’s followers with,that religion better be ready for some criticism…can’t hack it? Then get your fellow Devil believers to quit talking about the made up creature. Otherwise,we have to laugh at it a bit.

          • DennisC

            Like i said Go back to mexico an hide Boy, You don’t belong in America, you don’y have the HEART to be here. Get Out.

          • Denniso

            Your intellect is just stunning!! How about you and your type get your whining asses out of the country so the sane people can fix the mess that you fools have helped get us in?? Comprende Amigo?

          • JC

            Denniso, your no judge of sanity or intellect. Yours is the equivalent of a petulant 4 y/o at best.

          • S.C.Murf

            I need to ask you, are you a cross dresser? In an earlier post you said something about maybe not being a male. Does this mean you are confused cause you really sound confused not only about who you are but also confused about everything going on around you

          • Denniso

            My point,Smurf,is that my gender is irrelevant and I have no need to identify it to strangers on a wbsite w/ many kooks. Simple enough for you?

          • JeffH

            Smurf, speaking of kooks…look what the cat drug in…a hatefull ole kook with a gender identity problem…denniso! HAH! Spew that hate you poor excuse for a human being!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Flasher:

        all major religions believe in Satan by a variety of names. That includes your muslim buddies.

        • Denniso

          So, all major religions are similar in preaching myth and using boogeymen to scare their flocks in order to fleece them all the better.

          • Randy

            Denniso, I’m Glad you personally have not been exposed to TRUE EVIL. You will know it when you experience it. Satan by other names is a fallen angel given control over this world. This is not a religious debate so I will not answer any negative comments on your part. I have seen some comments to your posts calling you bad things such as “liberal “and hormonal imbalance. I tell you I am a liberal, conservative, patriot, independent, and capitalist, ex-deist, and ex-over-educated liberal elite type. What I have decided is I’m an American first. I don’t have dual citizenship so this country is where I stay to the end. Say what you will, debate is good I hear you and respect your opinion. However, we must be able to change our minds with new information.

    • JeffH

      Angel, just ignore the “baiting” by HFlash, he’s just not worth the time or effort needed for a response.

    • Art@Delaware

      Angel… your message was so good i tried to send an email to the address… just in case.

    • jimbo

      You are right angel we cannot escape this physical
      life without first dieing.But we all sit around while
      the rothechilds and others plan our new world order
      lives of slavery. All we are doing is waiting to be sold
      into this new form of slavery.They think they are God
      and are just serving lucifer.Soon we will all be in new world order
      enterement camps.you think that having a little food stored
      up and a handgun will somehow save us?I think not therefore
      i am not that is the problem with america we live under
      fear of a few small groups of elites who have been in power
      serving lucifer for 300 years.Do you really think that they fear
      your idol talk?They love this site it allows you to vent while all
      of thier plans are full steam ahead.The rich and powerful look at us
      as lambs to the slaughter.We are to weak to stand it has been programmed into our minds and hearts for many decades now.In the end
      jesus will come back to destroy evil once and for all for eternity.
      He sits at the right hand of the lord. Jesus hates evil and he will not stand for christians who do not stand and fight evil.Talking is only a small part of what is needed.Faith without works is dead.
      And america is almost dead; its faith is severely wounded and i
      believe that america is the modern day babylon.Just look at what we vote for and listen to people on here who think that obama is good.
      He is a closet muslim and coming out.He also hates the usa but will try to convert it by declaring marshall law.Convert or else.
      In a nutshell if the federal government is by the people and for the
      people then we under the constitution have a right to abolish the government and get back to the lord and are god given rights.
      Yes it states that we have a malitia wich is its people.So
      will we be the frog who boils to death in ignorance or will we humble
      ourselves and repent before the lord he said if any nation would
      repent and turn from their wicked ways i will hear from heaven
      and heal there land from all iniquities.//jimbo

  • Tazio2013

    From today’s Daily Bell, something intelligent, secular and objective for those with “eyes to see, ears to hear”, who can handle truth/reality and have rejected the hypocrisy of crusading conservative christianism:

    Posted by Bill Ross on 11/22/2010 9:07:22 AM
    The “Monkey see, monkey do” principle of human behavior (don’t rock the boat, leads to conflict) has allowed our leaders (those we can willingly support and follow) to be replaced by rulers (tyrants, those we fear to cross).

    The statistics of humanity (5% leaders, 90% followers, 5% criminals / rulers) has been inverted to where we now collectively follow / tolerate criminals. What cannot go on, must end (Ronald Reagan, of “Bedtime for Bonzo” fame).

    As a consequence, the boat is not only rocking, it is sinking. THINK about it:

    Click to View Link

    The trend, due to the truth-telling of the internet is to reject not just the politically incorrect, but to reject all adjectives whose effect is to provide fake logical propositions making incorrect APPEAR correct and agreed to by the majority. The TRUTH is setting us FREE.
    Posted by Bill Ross on 11/22/2010 9:36:50 AM
    @John Danforth

    You mean this one?

    Click to View Link

    Else, link, please.

  • TomH

    One poster mentioned that the treasury is creating money at 75 thousand million dollars per month. Under the legislation that enables the Fed to control the money supply is the requirement that the Fed have 25% Reserves for every dollar issued.

    But the law stated that these reserves must be in gold. Then there was a decision the sted that US debt was a good as gold. Therefore the Fed buys US Debt. In quatitive easing this 75 Billion dollars in debt per month puts 400 Billion dollars into circulation. Total estimated increase in the money supply between now and June 30th 2011 is 2.4 trillion dollars. That is $2,400,000,000,000.00. I don’t know about other countries but they would be horribly stupid not to try to maintain parity.

    Obviously the money wars will continue, but while worthless promises to pay do have an infinite supply they will eventually kill the both the promisor and the promisee. It just takes time.

  • Art@Delaware

    Angel… your message was so good i tried to send an email to the address… just in case.

  • http://Hotmail.com Gregg

    You know for thirty years I drove truck, and listened to drivers complain about the troubles with the govt. and everything under the sun on the C.B. radio to the point where I got sick of hearing it. Well after reading all of these replys, it appears that nothing has changed, like I told the drivers and I tell all of you now, the time for talking is long, long over and the time for doing something anything may be long,long passed, (hopefully not)but my point is, it’s time to take a stand people. My guns are loaded and my pantry is full and I’ve been writing my congressman and my state senator almost everyday, as well as a lot of you should have been doing(there e-mail address are easy to get) but I need help, LOTS of help. The time for talking is over people, if you think that you can sit back and let GOD take over your in for a rude awakening. He may have created all life, but that’s why he gave us brains so we may figure it out for ourselves, not rollover! People the time for talking in forums like this is also over, it’s time for doin!! So stop sittin and start gettin. God’s speed everyone, I’ll see ya out there.. sincerely: Troubleshooter

    • Denniso

      It’s time for doin’,your guns are loaded…so what are you going to do? I wonder,again,if Bob Livingston takes responsibility for driving someone like you to this sort of frenzy? You’d beter be careful dude.

      • hundabuxt

        Weapons are a last resort and these days the government has the technological advantage albeit I wonder how many will turn their weapons on brothers and sisters even if ordered to do so. Ruby Ridge and Waco demonstrated what the FBI will do. We still have time to turn it around but everybody of like mind have to participate. The strength is in the numbers and unity. If it comes to violence it will get ugly fast but that said we outnumber them. We’re still ostensibly a government of and for the people. We just have to remind our crooked, greedy representation that doesn’t include special interests.
        The well spoken guy who flew his plane into the IRS building and Timothy McVey paid the price but are now forgotten mostly.

        • Denniso

          You don’t outnumber anybody. The vast majority of the country would not join you extremists in a violent confrontation w/ any gov’t entity. You people are a fringe minority and you would do well to remember that.
          Heaven help you if you hold up McVeigh as a patriot and model to follow. He was a cold blooded child murderer and a full blown coward to boot. Running away as his bomb incinerated a day care w/ 3 yr olds playing and learning. He and anyone who still supports him is a scourge on humanity and any God would have him rotting in hell,along w/ his supporters. NO christian could possibly agree w/ what he did…
          I’m hoping you don’t,for your sake.

          • DennisC

            Go back to mexico and hide in a hole Boy.

          • Raggs

            Denno.. I would have to say that people like you are much worse than a murder… You destroy a persons mind with your complete BS… A pittiful waste of a life you are!

          • Denniso

            Gee, what a mean comment,dude…

          • JeffH

            Denniso says:
            November 23, 2010 at 9:46 pm
            Gee, what a mean comment,dude…

            Again a simple case of the pot and the kettle. You want mean? Take a long miserable look at yourself in the mirror you unhappy mutt!

          • Randy

            McVeigh was thinking an “eye for an eye” as he was parked outside Waco and watched tanks moving in to burn and kill woman and children. In my opinion it was overkill for the government to serve a warrant for suspected illegal weapons. They could have taken Koresh in town with no trouble. I still don’t like Janet Reno for her decision on WACO and RUBY RIDGE, a waste of government assets and taxes. In my opinion things like this still go on all the time. The government has just got much better at covering it up from the public view.
            I know now I’m on permanent record for my opinion in this matter and that is not popular with many that lost loved ones. I feel for both sides of this terrible outcome. However, it’s the law of physics, an action will cause an equal and opposite reaction. In the lab or life, in general that’s the way it is.
            It is truly sad that the greatest terrorist act in American history was committed by a decorated soldier.

        • DennisC

          Our Military will stand and fight with and for America and no other, remember this is their home to. Problem is this is a fight against all people by all governments, to inslave or kill all, not just Americans

          • Denniso

            Such supportive comments…and whether I live in Mexico or not is irrelevant to any discussion,right? Don’t you guys belive in freedom of expression?
            I’m pleased to see that Raggs thinks I have such power to ‘destroy people’s minds’ w/ my words…wow!!!

            Keep up your thoughtful comments so we can all see your intellect on full display.

          • DennisC

            To Denniso,
            Your the one that has a problem, You believe that Obama and the American government along with the Mexican government gives a $hit about you, wake up man, they will have all and we ( you and i ) will have none, get your head out off your AZZ just long enought to take a look around man. People are out of work and hungry all over the world.

      • JC

        Because in “your”(liberal) world everything is always someone else’s fault right?

    • jimbo

      You are correct but without a million man malitia
      your plan wont work.they will simply find you take your
      food and kill you in a gun battle.Yes you may kill 5 before
      they take you out.the only thing we have for success is stength
      in numbers and we will need a weapons upgrade.If the lord is the lord
      of you who then shall you fear.//jimbo

  • WDG

    Who’s John Galt?
    We cannot correct the problem with the same thinking that got us here. I was a hell of a lot better off under Reagan than Carter.

    • Denniso

      You’ve apparently conveniently forgotten the 10% unemployment of Regans early years. And that was the result of a relatively minor economic problem,compared to what got us into this mess under Bush…the largest collapse since 1929. This was a very serious global collapse that we are slowly recovering from. Read some history and gain some real perspective.

      • JeffH

        Song, song of the sheeple
        never will convince the American people
        liberals like to show their hate
        in support of the promise to fill their plate
        nothing in the world could ever be free
        not even health care for you or me
        Song, song of the sheeple
        never will convince the American people
        Obama has studied Alinsky and Ayers
        rules for radicals and muslim prayers
        the words from his mouth ring truth no more
        he’s a Marxist believer deep in his core
        Song, song of the sheeple
        never will convince the American people
        government growth and government control
        these websites are filled with his government trolls
        if we lose in November we’re pretty well done
        hang on to your money and cling to your guns
        Song, song of the sheeple
        never will convince the American people
        pride in America is what we say
        we want a free market not government pay
        so praise ole glory and the red white and blue
        lets show our pride, take back America too
        Song, song of the sheeple
        never will convince the American people
        Song, song of the sheeple
        never will convince the American people
        Glory glory hallelujah the truth keeps marching on

      • JC

        My God but you are truly small minded. You really believe in this whole left / right blame game….you “exist” to have your stupid childish arguments….Bobby did this Mommy, Cheryl did that Mommy….waaahhhhh

        Get over yourself Moron. The problem we have here and now is OBAMA.
        The rest are GONE…get it?

        • Denniso

          I can’t tell from your stupid comment who you’re talking to,but couldn’t you try to make a point anyway? Are that clueless that you have nothing to say,and can only whine and pout?

          • JC

            That’s was a very cutting come back commie boy…I’m truly devastated. LOL :)
            Aren’t you supposed to be licking a banana somewhere?
            Maybe doing some Community Organizing?

      • Richard Pawley

        Bush was president but congress controls the purse and from 2006 until now it has been the Democrats who have controlled it and the spending. Of course both the Democrats and the Republicans ran to Washington in 2008 to give the owners of the FED the money they demanded to keep us from having a depression. Well, it is still going to get a lot worse before it gets better so if there is going to be a recovery it will be unlike any we have had before. The Treasury is creating money out of thin air, $75 thousand million a month from now until next June, and monetizing the debt never goes well. Germany tried in 1921-23. If we can convince the Democrats and the Republicans to stop squandering all the borrowed money they can lay their hands on we can slow it down but if you don’t prepare for at least the price of food and other goods tripling then you will regret it, and likely before the next election.

  • harley93

    Thank you for a very good post. I have been following this sence the early 70s. Leave the bull crap with the dems and the GOP NWO out of it to see the truth. They both work for the same people, and it isn’t us. Ross went from nothing to 97% in a matter of a week. They went and told him his family would never have a chance to spend any of the mass fourtunes he had amassed. This has been in the works for many many years. The united states has the best shot at stopping it from happening. But the people are week now and may never step up to the plate. Hell, let’s take out a nother tower and blame it on some teriost that is on the CIA’s payroll. That will take the sheeps mind off of things.

  • JeffH

    It is so nice to see that Denniso’s heart, if it really exists, is so filled with the same hate and vitriol it’s always had. Nice of you to unleash your hate on to Mr. Livingston, but we all know he recognizes you for what you really are. Nuff said. Hope you have a nice Thanksgiving, that is, if you even believe in Thanksgiving.

    • denniso

      I never directed any hate toward Bob Livingston,what I did was ask if he takes responsibility for stoking up the hate and frenzy of some here w/ his simplistic conclusions that lead people into a fantasy world of conspiracies and war metaphors. You would do well to not twist what others say,just because you don’t like the message. I know it’s hard for you,but just try.

      • JeffH

        You are just one sick and hate filled mental disorder.

        • Karolyn

          Jeff – Quit talking to yourself!

          • Denniso

            Karolyn,you notice as well that JeffH has nothing at all to say…no substance,no cogent comments,not even any good jokes.

            I hope you have a good thanksgiving…

          • JeffH

            “Karolyn,you notice as well that JeffH has nothing at all to say…no substance,no cogent comments,not even any good jokes.”

            Denniso, your kind of substance includes hatred, abhorrence, detestation, odium, revulsion, disgust, dislike, animosity, aversion, distaste, and loathing.
            That makes me guilty of “no substance” according to your standards, so you are 100% correct with your comment.

          • Denniso

            I guess you have difficulty,because of your blind partisanship,in seeing the hate,venom,and vile directed toward all liberals and Obama in particular on this site. Ohters who aren’t so blinded do see and read it from your buddies here. You want people to think I’m the one filled w/ hate when the hate comes from people here like you.

  • Daniel

    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to those who are saved it is the power of God. (1Cor 1:18)

    The battle is spiritual, not carnal, always has been, when you don’t know that you don’t know Gods truth you’ll believe anything.

  • http://espionageaction-actionadventure.blogger.com stephen russell

    China just fired a missile OFF CA.
    N Korea has nukes, Iran has em, & we War Game off Korea, & our debt rises, & much more for setting up WW3 or Nuclear War 1.
    Very scary & we cant do a thing about it
    See Vivos.com ( to invest for all time).

  • Ken Putt

    20 years ago everyone told me I was crazy,paranoid,but I bought silver anyway.

  • hundabuxt

    Denniso

    Typical of people of your preverse ilk you put emphisis on the smallest complementry aspect of an event. McVeigh had no intent to necessarly kill little children. They were colateral damage and not certainly his target. I doubt he knew they were even there or if he did didn’t know they would be so affected. Nevertheless, they would have likely grown up to be like you.

    • Denniso

      If you are defending McVeigh,then you’re a pathetic human yourself. You don’t have a clue what McVeigh thought,yet you defend his actions and call the kids killed collateral damage…sick. McVeigh didn’t just drive the van bomb up to the building one morning and light the fuse. He cased the building and knew that a daycare was in the building. He intended to kill federal workers,who also have families, as he set the bomb for a time when people were at work. If he wasn’t such a sick and pathetic human he could have blown up the building when no one was there,to make a point.

      Any of you people who defend this monster are as sick as he was. I still wish he hadn’t been executed so he could have lived out his long life in prison,thinking about the kids he slaughtered and forced to live behind bars w/ his freedom forever gone.

      • Richard Pawley

        One of the laws of the universe (it’s like gravity, you don’t have to believe in it, it just is) is that what you sow you will reap in season. Those who do terrible deeds (if they have not sought forgiveness from God) must experience all that they have done to others. Of course He reads hearts and there is no fooling Him. Jesus said that someone who gave a thirsty person a glass of water because of Him would not go without there reward and He said to be careful about idle words because we would be held accountable for them (if we were not forgiven). I had a someone in my house whose anger once got him 18 years in jail when he strangled someone with his bare hands but God changed him in prison. He still had problems but he was on the right path. Such just punishment also awaits those misguided terrorists who think their god is going to reward them for what they do. What awaits them will not be dissimilar to what awaited the murderer in the final scenes of the movie GHOST, an amazing movie for Hollywood.

  • mrfixer

    The end is nearer. The King will return and restore all things. And it ain’t gonna be like ANYONE thinks. There might be a leetle bit of shaking…….
    So remember, don’t believe everything you think!

  • Carlie

    Let’s all get real. World War III has been going on for years now. It’s not like any war ever before. It’s a holy war!!! Not fought with guns & tanks but, with the word of God!!!!

  • tinmanjones

    Read Orwell’s Animal Farm, which was his WARNING to Western societies about Marxism/Communism/ and moreso, national socialism. And then one of our founding fathers once said that when America became a nation of urban population centers, it would become the same chaotic place that Europe was at the time of the Revolutionary War. Orwell’s warning was unheeded by the democrats, and the cryptic admonition to not become a nation of urban centers ultimately fell on deaf ears as prosperity roiled the innocence of the free world. Christian brothers and sisters, Romans 12:12!!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    If it’s truly WW111 can we hunt liberals? I know, it’s like beating up your little sister, but somebody has to do it. We could settle the national debt by selling hunting permits to legal American citizens. Season open all year around except Christmas and New Years.

    small game season: gang bangers (unlimited)

    big game season: lawyers, career politicians, liberals (mixed bag-3 each per day)

    Migratory species: illegal immigrants ( males only, except in 2 day doe season, limit-6 each per permit ) depending on county and crime rate, extra permits obtainable.

    Besides raising money to pay for national debt we would cure most social problems and it’s something families can do together.

    ps: since game is unetible, all carcuses must be burned or buried. Ears and teeth may be kept as trophies.

    • rich hutchins

      “…. we would cure most social problems and it’s something families can do together.”

      man, sounds like something i’ve heard before. humm… whenever you can blame one group for all your problems…..

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        and your point is? obviously what I wrote is facious and wouldn’t happen but what would be the down side if it did?

        • Denniso

          The downside might be that you also get hunted if you start such a sport. Civil war anyone??

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Nothing to worry about; liberals shun violence. You rarely if ever see them in the military or using a gun for any reason unless it’s against a helpless victim. As to a civil war, i’m afraid it’s inevitable.

          • Denniso

            Liberals shun violence,NRA rednecks shun thinking…I think I prefer thinking.

  • Claire

    I want to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving–to all of you and your families. Bless everyone and may your Thanksgiving Day be wonderful in every way. May peace and happiness surround all of us as we celebrate with our families. God bless.

    • JC

      (((((((((((( Claire )))))))))))))))
      have a good one. :)

    • JeffH

      Claire, back at you and Bob and the kids.

      Happy Thanksgiving to all of you as well as Mr. Livingston and all of his staff and contributing writers for providing this venue for us.

    • JeffH

      Denniso, never in my life have I seen as much hate displayed by any individual as what you have displayed on this website today. I’d like to say you are borderline phychotic but you’ve gone way past the point of no return and are a complete nut case. Any semblance of sanity is long gone.
      Just to let you know, I really don’t care if you get any mental help…but you sure do need it!

      • JC

        Yep, Psychotic and Hateful = Denniso
        Folks like Denniso have me actually “hoping” for a shooting war sometimes ya know?

      • JC

        I should clarify that thought.
        The LAST thing I want to do is hurt anybody…but I’m not taking it off the list yet. ;)

        • Denniso

          J C had to think fast…he knows that these sites are sometimes monitored for violence and threats of.

      • libertytrain

        Yes Jeff, you are correct. He’s fully demonstrated his true colors today. Perhaps his ego couldn’t take the election bruising or maybe he realizes his opinions are not of any worth.

      • denniso

        JeffH…such phony outrage! A guy defends McVeigh,I slam him for defending a child murderer,and you say you’ve never seen such hate before in your life as displayed by me? Boy,oh boy…what a phony you are to make such a dumb comment,as though anyone w/ a brain can’t see right through you.

        I take it,from your silence, that you agree w/ the defense of the sick killer McVeigh…as do most on here. More pathetic yet…

        • JeffH

          Not phony at all and a genuine disgust on my part. McVeigh has no bearing in my astute observation of your mental disorder.

    • DennisC

      You got it Claire, Thank You and you do the same ;-)

    • libertytrain

      Same to you and yours Claire!

  • JMichael

    All you do is whine about something that was started years ago. I saw you quote paul kennedy’s book here, I read that in the 80′s, and got s*#t on, because I wasn’t “politally correct” ( like I care to be), or a mass consumer. We have gone into an economic war scenario, if you haven’t figured it out. Chalk that up to Reagan, but the mind set was already there. George Orwell, read that, it’s like you people are 40 yr’s to late. where have you been? Asleep at the Wheel???? Some societies trade beads, it’s not about gold, it’s a medium of exhange, hell, it could be compost. All things have an intrinsic value. the gold standard was/is a myth,why not diamonds or copper? Or the GDP/GNP? why not bullets? you sell or trade what you got. GOD don’t trade in gold, HE trades in souls. cash that!!!

  • Donald

    A new poll shows that 48% of the American Public are unaware that the Republicans won control of the House in the last election. Of course, less than 540% bothered to vote. That should scare all of you.

    At least the folks who comment on this site care about what happens to the country, no matter what their views.

    Peace

  • Mike Walkerwicz

    I thought I heard it all and saw it all until I read some of the things I’ve read here. First of all I’m not middle class, low class or any class I’m a citizen of the United States. I’ve been in business too for many years, worked for others for many other years and even served in the military how does this make me an expert on anything other than my own experience, it doesn’t and by God none of you others either. I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. God gave that to me and many have died preserving it, and fighting to get it the world over.
    What do you get when you mix two lawyers? Michelle and DonObama and at least some of you are right these two gotta go! Along with the progressive nitwit masters they serve! Right to the last fella here, Mr. Peace Donald. Buddy I could care less who the heck votes have you been in public as of late and talked to people? People scare the hell out of me today. The most important thing on their mind is American Idol or those nitwits on some freaking island surviving some some bullshit crap! Man I don’t want people like that to be able to actually vote! That’s how Obamner got in the first time.
    And, yes Donald I care about this country, but not at the cost of loosing it to some left wing nut by caring if they vote or not!
    It’s my responsibility my fault, my duty, no one thinks like that anymore hell its everyone else whose at fault. ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, America is not at war, the military is at war America is at the mall!
    Scary times in the world, but its going to be alright folks, God is in control not the pollsters!
    Now as to the end of the world as we know it, people have been spewing that line for well, a long time. Food shortages, money coming to an end as we know it! Doomsday is coming!!! Read Revelations, and know it, but as I see it as a Christian this is a good thing! I’ll be glad to have God back because man scares the crap out of me!

    • denniso

      And I would prefer that you didn’t vote either,and that you go off to a desert island to see if you can survive.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      well said. you can throw Bill and Hillary in that mix also.

  • Gary H.

    If you believe this not true, there is a book you should read. Especially the last chapter which was to John. O’ the chapter is “The Revelation” and the book is the “Bible”. And yes, “I am a Christian”.
    and I do not mean to upset anyone.

  • http://Hotmail.com Gregg

    well well well,it certinly looks like someone has a lot to say. denniso, I guess that means you! Lets try and see if we can locate the forest amoungst the trees. As far as being in a frenzey? Not even close! (Oh and Claire,thank you for the breath of fresh air!)As far as the guns being loaded and the pantry being full, it says exactly what it means. There may be a slight frenzy when someone trys to mess with me and mine, but only then! I can assure you I’ve never had to go looking for trouble, it always seems to find me. Besides I was under the impression that this forum was to express our thoughts on world issues not to tear down other people, seems like theres alot of that going on in the last few replys, people we have to stop tearing each other down and come together start to address the problems with this country, God only knows theres enough of those! And as far as the problems about to face us,its not almost over,it hasn’t even started!! Did anyone see Obahma on T.V. last nite, I still don’t see how he can get up look into faces of the people in the audience and bold face lie to them about the fiscal situation. Yeah it’s all over and where joyfully on are way to recovery, hah You think that 1929 was bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet. And I see that people are still thinking that God is going at the last minute swoop down and save us? Think agian, we the people are the only solution to this problem. Don’t know how much of you listen to coast to coast Am. or really read what Mr. Livingston has to say, but from what I’ve been reading not many! But every since Kenndy was assinated and his brother out of the way, they were able to put there plan into action. It’s been a long time acommin, but if you read between the lines you people will begin to see what Im trying to say. (for those who already do, pls.don’t take offense) Until the people from the President down to the legislators are removed or replaced and made to account for there actions (settle down denniso)it all has to be done legally of course, but still has to be done!! there will be no resolve. Well by for now all. Trouble Shooter

    • denniso

      Well, I see the problem now…you listen to ‘coast to coast’ radio. If you’re over the age of 30 you should have figured out that it’s a farce w/ little or no truth to anything on it.
      I wonder,seriously,if you have any problem w/ Bush/Cheny and what they did to the country? Or,like most of the rightwing loyalists,is all the ‘evil’ being done solely by Obama? Please try to address my question to you and see if we can have some real dialogue,or will you just blow it off like your buddies do out of fear of real debate?

      • DennisC

        denniso,
        You and the dream act, Can go back to mexico,stay their and never return, and if you don’t mind could you take Obama with you and drop him off at the a mexican airport, maybe he can get a flight back to kenya from their.

        • denniso

          I don’t recall that I was talking to you…

          • libertytrain

            good grief, are you in menopause? Meow. The site is called Personal Liberty not Private Conversations.

          • JeffH

            …a sick and twisted mental patient filled with nothing but hate…

        • Karolyn

          Jeff, Talking to yourself about yourself? I mean really!

          • JeffH

            K, you might be a progressive/liberal and even do some ridiculing yourself, but even you should be able to admit the Denniso isn’t playing with a full deck and projects more hate and vitriol than all of others combined. Unless, of course, you support Denniso’s most hateful & rhetorical diatribe.

          • Denniso

            Your twisting and distorting won’t work,not w/ any thinking people here. You and your buddies defend McVeigh incinerating little kids in Okla city,and you want people to think that I’m the hateful one. I castigate the guy who said that McVeigh ‘paid the price’ in his fight against the gov’t and you and your fellow cowards ignore his stupid statement,and instead attack me. If liberals/progressives/moderates were as dumb as you think you might get away w/ your little ploy,but you guys are the ones w/ mental deficits and it’s ever more clear.

          • JeffH

            It’s back from the Cookoo’s Nest…give it up looney tune…you’re crazy…nutso…off the hook mentaly deranged. Here’s Johnny! Yahoo!
            Bouncin’ off the wall deranged!

          • JeffH

            Oh Denniso, you fired the first shot and more across the bow with your pure unadulterated hatefullness…you reap what you sow and quit feelin’ sorry for yourself, nobody else does. Especially me. You are exactly what you dislike and accuse others of, mean spirited and a hater! You’re just using McVeigh as an excuse for your anathema, detestation, and loathing.

          • Denniso

            Oh boy,your little ploy continues. I do indeed loathe people who excuse or defend a psychopath like McVeigh. Again,your silence on your buddy’s comment about him is telling. Keep it up and show us all your own hate toward little kids that he called collateral damage.

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Karolyn:

            heard you got a job at TSA patting down little kids. Where’s my backrub ?

  • http://Hotmail.com Gregg

    Dear Mr. Roark before you start tearing down other people you should go back and study your history and the Constitution. One there was no world bank during the nepolionic wars and second there was no form of paper money before the civial war and if you check your history real close you’ll see that most every war ever fought was started over religon in one form or anougher..NOT MONEY gold and jewels might have been the spoils but not the cause. Also Article 1 section 4 was written so as to prevent any lone state from forming there own govt. and printing there owm money. Also all debts were to be paid in gold or silver coin because when the constitution was written thats all there was as far as currency was concerned. paper money was not invented until the pre-civial war era. Also the states can print there own money, San Fransico Ca. and Denver Colo. have 2 of the largest mints in the country and the oldest for that matter. Theres four others for that matter but there exact location exscapes at this time. So hows it feel to be picked on? Anyway Ta Ta for now…
    Troubleshooter

    • Ski

      I think you need a history lesson yourself. While the stated goals of some wars were based on religion, the real goal was in fact land and plunder. It’s simply more expedient to misguide the rabble to their probable death when heaven awaits. Moreover, none of the greatest wars had anything whatsoever to do with religion, e.g.., the two world wars, the American revolution, and Civil wars, the 100 years war, war of the roses, Norman conquest of England, all of the Napoleonic wars, the seven years war, the Crimea, Boer, and nearly all of the Roman conquests and Greek wars. (not in that order, just sprinkled in as they come to mind). You are left mainly with the crusades, which don’t amount to so much as a tiny fraction of the worlds significant conflicts. Blaming religion for wars is a favorite tactic of atheists, but it doesn’t comport with history.

      • Denniso

        All wars are essentially based upon power struggles,of which religious animosity is one factor,among others.

        • Ski

          You apparently studied history at the Lenin Institute of Socialist Dogma. If that opinion is in error, perhaps you would like to expand on your statement that there were religious causes for the conflicts I mentioned, citing your authority by title and page number.

          • Denniso

            The history books are full of religious strive leading to war and bloodshed. Christians v Muslims, Catholics v protestants,Hindus v Muslims….page 1 through 1,000.

    • Ski

      As for the matter of paper (fiat) money, it was issued first by the Continental Congress during the revolution. It caused such an embarrassing mess that it was prohibited by the constitution. Indeed, the constitution prescribes the death penalty for debasing the currency and empowers only the federal government to coin money. The framers envisioned all money to be silver or gold coin of specific weight, content, and value. Congress worked its way around the constitution by empowering the Jekyll Island gang to do what the framers, particularly Jefferson, who abhorred central bankers and specifically warned against them.

    • Ski

      With respect to the mints, All mints are operated by the federal Gov’t. Post ratification of the Constitution five US mints operated. These were; Philadelphia, New Orleans, West point, Denver, and San Francisco. New Orleans suspended operation during the Civil war, and for some years after, and is now decommissioned.

    • Ski

      With respect to the mints, All mints are operated by the federal Gov’t. Post ratification of the Constitution nine US mints operated. These were; Philadelphia, Charlotte, New Orleans, Atlanta, Carson City, West point, Denver, San Francisco, and Manila (Philippines), some suspended operation during the Civil war, and for some years after, and several are now decommissioned. Only the Fed. Govt. may print money that is universal tender to discharge debt. Anyone can print so called money, actually scrip which is only voluntarily acceptable, and generally, only within a very small area.

  • Mike Walkerwicz

    Wow some of the things that come out of liberal / progressives mouths these days. I thought they were the “sensitive” party, ya know peace, love and Woodstock hippies! All ya need is love, then they open their mouths for real and with pictures of their mothers in their pockets the real person comes to the surface. I like this new Dream Bill thing and I say we open the boarders up, one way and all you peace nick hippie liberal leftist progressives can hit the road one way down to good old Mexico and live like they do down there mixed with the drug lords killing em all, bullets flying go on and dream about that. Meanwhile up here in the U.S. Red necks like me can stay free, armed just in case any of you should slip back across the Rio Grande!
    Sad as hell what some people think freedom is and in reality what it is not. Usually never won by dope smoking hippies, usually never protected by progressives hell bent on sending the U.S. into third world status by spreading the wealth by taking what I worked for, usually have not one clue about the constitution of the United States, but they sling their share the wealth crap through the stinking A.C.L.U. and other ledty lawyers like the “O”blamma’s, George Soros, Al the nitwit Gore and his Tipper the nipper, Hill and Billary.
    Oh they have a right to say it, we won that right for them, the only thing they ever won was gotten by cheating and lying!
    It would seem as Rush pointed out the other day is that 20% of the world needs mental help, and just by coincidence 20% of the world is Liberal! And just as a point Trouble Shooter it’s Their spelled Their not THERE AS IN THERE GOES SOME MORE BALONEY!As a coin collector and knowing a bit about currency paper money was here prior to the Civil, spell it out real slow C I V I L not civial for God’s sake turn spell check on and read a bit more. The Greeks and the Trojans fought over a WOMAN, Rome conquered for Empire building since they had mixed religion with one Cesar actually becoming a CHRISTIAN, not all wars were fought over money bud! In fact during the CIVIL War you had stores banging out their own money or script and even coinage I know as I own some of this and hold it in my hot sweaty Capitalistic hands Comrade Troubleshooter! Scrip or paper money has a long history, farther back than you are saying GREGGY my man! Yes there are a lot of nuts here, but as a retired vet it gives me something to do, like pulling the wings off flies! And, just what the hell does Tim McVeigh have to do with a any dam thing another nut in the cracker barrel. The only thing I can say about McVeigh is there is another reason I pack a 9MM when I’m out and about, because he was one in a million here in this country. We let far too many nut jobs run loose! The south should of won the war and told that progressive Lincoln state invading mutt to hit the road. Slavery was dead anyway but state rights have never been the same the same creeps now form under Clinton, Obama and many other progressive big government print more money nitwits. The Governor of Texas said about a year ago that he thought Texas should secede, that would be Rick Perry, good man! The feds and the lefty gun ban nuts, money printing welfare state building, dehumanizing creeps need to be kept at bay! Peacefully through elections or by force if need be. The dam pot smoking crack heads and their social give away programs FREEDOM has nothing to do with WELFARE programs, and all those other bull-crap social programs of the socialist left. Get off your dead asses and work, join the the military, do something besides complain because you are making me freaking crazy, you lazy dope smoking, God hating, so call peace loving nuts!

    • Denniso

      You sound like you belong to the 20% who need mental health care…get some help.

      • JeffH

        Well ole nutso is back…a simple case of the pot calling the kettle…what a hoot!

        Sorry, I can’t help but laugh..see you escaped from the local nut house again. Are you gonna beat the wife and kids? Turn the turkey loose? My bad, the turkey is loose! Well, hope your Thanksgiving is as hate filled as you are you miserable wretch!

  • Mike Walkerwicz

    Beat the wife, kick the dog, and what the hell qualifies you two such big experts? Just who the hell died and left you two left wingers in charge? Not me, you get the hell off the island, Big bad Denniso ever read the crap you write, well thats the shit that makes me nuts! Who the hell left you in charge? And, Big, bad JeffH, what a Hoot in deed, your the Turkey, the other over qualified nut job! No one likes you Woodstock dope smokers, hell you don’t even like each other look at what you libs did to that NPR weak liver Juan when he came out and said Turbans scared the hell out him. Hell all you holding hands, love, peace and dope crowd jumped on him like the Kennedy’s jumped on Martin Luther King, lets face it your left wing rag said it in 1963 that Kings March on DC would forever destroy this country! King was a registered Republican now look at your buddies all holding hands love filled my ass! As for my Thanksgiving, I’m thankful that I’m not related to either of you two twits! I’ll have a great day, and I’m happy as hell that neither of you are my fellow Americans your Chairman Mao is calling and what the hell do you know about thanks for anything, just what do you have to be thankful for, after all America threw your bunch out and I’d bet after this we won’t see a Democratic controlled anything other the shit-house at the mall for many, many years, long after you two Maoists are long dead and rotting! Really hope the two of you have a good cry over the defeat of Socialism / Marxist bunch of commies to ever have been elected to any office in this country! You are right, the whole of conservative movement might be willing to let morons like you loose, as for me! Its my turn to spit on hippie left wing pigs like you!

    • Denniso

      Uh,oh…JeffH isn’t connecting w/ his people very well. Mike,you sound certifiable and off the edge. I don’t suppose you and I will do much communicating. Oh well…

      • JeffH

        …certifiable? A self image!

        • Denniso

          I guess you still can’t read very well…your buddy Mike has put you in my camp. But, I know you’ll accept him into your brotherhood even if he’s half off as long as he hates people like me. You need the numbers…

          • JeffH

            denniso, like a good piece of toilet paper we can always deped on you to show up and wipe up the rear…

      • JeffH

        Oh, denniso, just so you don’t get too high and fully understand, Mike thought my comment was directed at him when in fact, you know and I know, that it was directed directly at your mug…LOL!

        • Denniso

          Explaining how you and your fellow bozos ‘think’ is like a monkey explaining special relativity…an overt oxymoron. You can look up the terms.

    • Ski

      Mike, I agree with the gist of your post, but not the way you state it. Ad hominem attacks laced with pejoratives gives the argument to your opponent. The lefties excel at driving conservatives ’round the bend, so don’t let them do it. The way to argue with lefties is to rub the irrefutable facts in their face. They absolutely cannot stand having their failures recited to them. Nothing makes the lefties go ballistic like the truth.

      • Denniso

        So, liberals make your buddies use foul words and hate speech? Don’t you maybe wonder if you should allow them into your tent?

    • Randy

      Mike,
      Ever had a veteran pot smoking long hair kick your butt? I like the way you express yourself! I prefer a 1911 colt 45 to a 9mm. Mass blood loss from a larger caliber is the way to go. By the way, most long haired “Hippies” I grew up with were red neck skoal chewing, drinking, pot smoking free Americans.
      Better than the totally lost generation brought up by our politically correct education system today!

  • crystals10

    ALL the KINGS HORSE’S, AND ALL THE KINGS MEN, COULDN’T PUT AMERICA BACK TOGETHER AGAIN !!!!!! PLEASE GO TO mej.com

  • Linda

    First Obama lectures us during the campaign, then Michelle lectured in a very demeaning way. Since then, Obama has continued to lecture us, and continually insult the American population. He’s bad mouthed his own country to anyone overseas and in the UN, who will listen, He’s badmouthed us to our faces. Barbara Lee, during a hearing threatened us with nationalizing oil and gas; and now Rockefeller threatens the network heads, thereby threatening our freedom of speech. Our elected leaders are OUT OF CONTROL and their arrogance is a dangerous to this country. Anyone who cannot see the bigger picture and the agenda of these folks is in denial.

    I think the final straw for me is how Obama rebuked The Supreme Court at the State of the Union Address. Not only was it bad form, he was DEAD wrong for doing it. This was most inappropriate behavior as a President, and bad manners to do what he did. This type of behavior has been the hallmark of this administration, and it continues to get worse. Good Lord these people are NOT Kings and Queens ! They are SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE.

    • Denniso

      Oh God!!

  • Ski

    If the United States is to survive, it must quit the UN and order it out of the country. Such action would likely persuade other States to do likewise. This may not stop the New World Order, but it surely will put it back decades, giving States opposed to the NWO conspiracy opportunity to erect roadblocks to NWO initiatives.

    • Denniso

      Oh God,again!!!

  • Ski

    Given your stated philosophies, the incongruity of your frequent ecclesial responses is amusing.

    • Denniso

      Amusing? ‘God’ doesn’t have to mean the Christian god…other people have gods as well and have for millennia. It’s also just an expression,like OMG, and many people have some concept of a god that is indefinable and unimaginable too.

      • Randy

        Denniso,I’m not trying to get into a religious debate with you, but where will you go after you die?

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