Working-Class America Less Stable As Labor Jobs Market Shrinks

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If you’re among the Americans who bypassed college in favor of a traditional manufacturing or other skilled labor job, you’re part of a shrinking post-World War II middle-class workforce that continues to face decimation and destabilization as a once-healthy jobs market gives way to the low-wage service sector.

A joint study conducted by the University of Virginia and Harvard University reveals that the decline of America’s manufacturing workforce has far-reaching societal and cultural ramifications and that the typical American dream — which revolves around nuclear families, lifelong marital relationships and raising children — isn’t a tenable way of living for many who’ve been affected.

In the study, titled “Intimate Inequalities: Love and Work in a Post-Industrial Landscape,” researchers found that marriage, in particular, has become linked with a stable and secure middle-class existence. And if someone is still trying to work his way upward toward the middle class, his economic circumstances typically aren’t amenable with the expense and commitment that stable family life requires.

“Marriage is becoming a distinctive social institution marking middle-class status,” said Sarah Corse, a Virginia associate professor of sociology and the study’s lead author. “Working-class people with insecure work and few resources, little stability and no ability to plan for a foreseeable future become concerned with their own survival and often become unable to imagine being able to provide materially and emotionally for others. Insecure work changes peoples’ non-work lives.”

The study also finds an increasing gap between the material success and stability of today’s non-college-educated workforce and those who seek the kind of full-time, unionized jobs that powered America’s middle-class strength from the 1940s through the 1980s.

Those who hold college degrees tend to find more stable, better-paying jobs. That, in turn, allows for a measure of freedom to marry and raise children.

“Middle- and upper-middle class people, as a result, express high expectations for their marriages, centering on self-fulfillment, deeply engaged parenting by both parents and psycho-emotional awareness. They also ‘insure’ themselves against marital complacency, conflict and dissolution through private material and emotional ‘investments,’” the study states.

The study isn’t an endorsement for finding economic stability only through obtaining a college degree. Rather, it’s an observation of how dramatically the American economic environment has changed, at the expense of millions who, in previous decades, could find and keep good jobs — often in or near their hometowns — all without having to seek a college education in order to advance their vocational opportunities.

But for the would-be investor, the study provides strong evidence that until an individual can secure his own livelihood and at least some modicum of middle-class stability, his opportunities to set aside even a small portion of his disposable income with an eye toward the future are almost nonexistent.

Personal Liberty

Ben Bullard

Reconciling the concept of individual sovereignty with conscientious participation in the modern American political process is a continuing preoccupation for staff writer Ben Bullard. A former community newspaper writer, Bullard has closely observed the manner in which well-meaning small-town politicians and policy makers often accept, unthinkingly, their increasingly marginal role in shaping the quality of their own lives, as well as those of the people whom they serve. He argues that American public policy is plagued by inscrutable and corrupt motives on a national scale, a fundamental problem which individuals, families and communities must strive to solve. This, he argues, can be achieved only as Americans rediscover the principal role each citizen plays in enriching the welfare of our Republic.

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  • Dave

    We have the corporatist to thank for in part. Trade agreements under the banner of “free trade” with countries that pay their workers pennies on the dollar and greed at the top has helped kill the unions and prices have not followed suit… Reagan had an idea in the 1980’s lets make in easier for working people to get credit, especially credit cards.,, that will mask the working famili’s economic power decline. Today only 6.5% of the entire workforce is union and working people’s wages and power in money talks have taken a hit… But the wealthy are making double digit increases every year. They paid good money to get the trade rules, tax laws they wanted so that increase is just the fruits of that labor. Wait till the unions are finally dead all together and corpoations are the only ones left standing, then you’ll see some real errosion of working people’s power put into law.

    • red neck

      WRONG again !!!!!! Do you not remember that is was a democrat that caused our jobs to go overseas?…. Billy bob Clinton and his NAFTA.. Also it was the democrats that also created the housing bubble….
      As far as the unions go F-UM…. they are a useless political organization that caters to the communist pigs that have infiltrated this country.

      • Dave

        Wrong again Redneck

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/trade/stories/tr111893.htm

        “Clinton and his House allies came from behind to wipe out a substantial lead
        that NAFTA opponents held as the week began. A bipartisan coalition of 132
        Republicans and 102 Democrats prevailed over the opposition of 156 Democrats, 43
        Republicans and one independent.”

        Most of your GOP Conservatives friends voted FOR NAFTA. NAFTA was Reagan idea, penned by George H Bush and put forth by Bill Clinton.

        The Housing Bubble was a creation of Bill Clinton and his Congresses as well as Ronld Reagan and his congresses. hey both deregulated banks do regular savings banks could also engage in investment banking and you know who put forth the law deregulating the banks?

        http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-106publ102/pdf/PLAW-106publ102.pdf

        3 Republicans, Gramm, Leach, Bliley… wrote the bill that gutted Glass-Steegal… That along with Clinton’s deregulated low income housing rules… Both did real damage.
        Now on to your stupidity on the Unions. Unions are not perfect and it some instances can do harm but thhe fact is, Unions are the only seat working people can have at the money table and when that seat goes all together, your wages, benefits etc will drop faster than it already has.
        Both parties created this mess which is why I have zero faith in either to fix it until big money is out of the political process. You are quite frankly a useful idiot of the corporatists.

        • Don 2

          Of course, you forgot to mention that the taxpayer doesn’t even have a seat at the table where public employee unions are concerned. The usual scenario involves an overpaid union thug negotiating for the union, sitting on one side of the negotiating table, and a union supported/elected Democrat politician paying back the union for their support, sitting on the other side of the negotiating table.

          What could possibly go wrong here?

          • Dave

            Straw man… As I said, 6.5% of the ENTIRE US workforce is union now…Fed Workers make only a small % of the US workforce and supply the taxes from the labor…
            Care to try again corporatist?

          • vicki

            Being a corporatist is not a bad thing. Being a Crony corporatist (as in the example you called straw) IS a bad thing.

          • Dave

            Ok Vicki,
            Proof by bald assertion….
            What loyalty does a corporation have to the United States of America? Can you tell me? Let me know in their Corp docs where they talk about what is best for the United States.
            Educate me Vicki.

          • vicki

            Delighted to Dave. A corporation has one goal. Make money for the shareholders. A corporation has to provide it’s customers with a product or service the customer wants. It must compete with other corporations for that customer hence the soundbyte “The customer is king”
            Government’s role should be to protect the customer from force or fraud and to protect the corporations from force or fraud.

            A crony corporation uses the force of government to squeeze out competition even when no force or fraud exists between the corporations.

            A crony corporation uses the force of government to make the customer buy the product of the corporation(s)

            Mandatory auto insurance is an example
            Mandatory health insurance is an example

          • Dave

            “Government’s role should be to protect the customer from force or fraud and to protect the corporations from force or fraud.”
            Whoa!!! you agree with me again! DaveH will be mad at you for agreeing with that statement Vicki.
            We also both don’t like crony capialism… thats good.
            But my question was “Does corporations have loyalty to the United States of America?” and you answered by not answering… The answer is NO… So whether they ship jobs out of the country, a corporation could care or less… as long as it makes money for its shareholders and the majority shareholders are the ones that call the shots… That is the George Soro’s, Koch Brothers and other wealthy types. They could care or less if this country goes bankrupt from the lack of tax revenue that comes from better paying jobs leaving the country.
            You are starting to wake up.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So what would you have in place of corporations? Mom and Pop stores went the way of Dodo birds because of their inefficiency. Clothing stores with tailors took too long to produce clothing even in full production. Farm crops rotted by the time they got to market jacking up the prices of what was available.
            Your complaint is that there are too many things and foods for consumers, so you believe if we went back to the good old days of limitations somehow that it would be good for America.
            You may just get your wish, China is getting too expensive for manufacturing and manufacturing may return back to America after it makes quite a few stops through ME. But it does not mean that the Government Regulations will somehow disappear and government approved corporations will have a conscience and break apart. The government created these corporations and do you believe that they would give up their stranglehold when they believe they are doing so much good, providing for all.

          • Dave

            I have no issue with corporatons as long as their power in the Gov is minimized… they have too much money and too much influence in the Gov. I want all that money and undo influence gone… I have only been saying this since I have been coming here but it has fallen deaf ears here.
            Gov should be answerable to people… US Corporations should have a duty to be loyal to the United States. Today, Gov is more answerable to the corporations that pay legislators and US corporations have no loyalty to this country. Both realities have to change.

          • vicki

            The Fed Workers may makeup only a small % of the work force but they sure do get paid well.

            http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/01-30-FedPay.pdf

          • Dave

            We are still talking about the entire country Vicki or are we going into a side arguement because you know your corpoartist argument falls flat on its face?
            Fed Workers tend to make less money but their benefits tend to be stronger… Horrible thing to have a retirement and benefits for your family isn’t it Vicki?
            Walmart… now there is a successful model…. bringing in cheap good from foriegn sources at reduced prices because of their negoitating power, driving out competition, then paying workers less than 40 your wages so they get out of paying benefits when means when they get sick, your tax dollars subsidize.
            They are great aren’t they? I should not denegrate Walmart because of their sucess on the backs of this country’s workers and the tax payer right?

          • vicki

            “Vicki or are we going into a side arguement because you know your corpoartist argument falls flat on its face?”

            Ad hominem

          • Don 2

            Sure Dave,
            Let’s talk about all public employee unions instead of slyly referring to “federal” workers. There are state, county, city, town, and village public employee bloated union benefits and pensions that are killing the municipalities. You know, like the unlimited and expensive cosmetic surgeries permitted in the Buffalo, NY public school teachers contract for boob jobs, liposuction, lip augmentation, and injectable dermal filler, or the forty or so public employee unions that the city of Chicago is forced to negotiate with, or the NYC union contract provision which pays many hundreds of teachers who have been deemed unworthy of teaching, but cannot be terminated because of the union contract, and are given full pay to go sit in a rubber room somewhere and do whatever they please. All aforementioned cities have failing school systems, terrible graduation rates, and students who graduate with 8th. grade reading skills, and the cities are collapsing under public employee pension costs.

          • Dave

            So..Its iteresting that you talk about states (IL, NY) that pay more to the Fed Gov that they Get back from the Fed Gov.
            Teacher’s Unions-I do believe they are part of the problem when it comes to overhauling the education system…IN this case the Union has forgotten that it is the children that are the focus.
            But again, I am talking about the United States in totality… Only a small minority or unionized and it is no surprise that since 1980, worker productivity has gone up, while wages for working people of stagnated.
            But you believe that local, state and Fed workers should have their benefits reduced. Can you tell me what they should be cut down to? What kind of retirement for 25-30-40 years of service should be warranted?

          • Don 2

            Dave, you can tap dance around bloated union benefits and pensions until your “blue” in the face…..but when the municipality does not have the money to pay for the pension benefits, the party is over. So what if you consider the percentage of total U.S. union workers to be small. If you happen to live in one of the cities filing for bankruptcy, or raising taxes through the roof because it is easier for the politicians than fighting with the unions, and smart people are moving out, making the tax base even smaller, it doesn’t matter what anybody else is doing in any other part of the country, or Washington D.C., and vicinity where most everybody living there is a bottom-feeding government parasite sucking the rest of the country dry, thinking that everything is great because they see the D.C. area hopping.

            It’s not about what you or I think is warranted in a retirement. It’s about ability to fund. You progressives can’t seem to grasp this fact.
            Ex: Detroit, San Bernardino, CA., Stockton, CA., Jefferson County, AL., Central Falls, R.I., Harrisburg, PA., and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

          • Dave

            And you can ignore the reality of the entire country all you want because you know what I am saying is true… Corporatists do not care about the country… they only care about the corp bottom line regardless of the consequences to society or the country.
            it is the corporations that have the deepest pockets and purchasing policy in trade and taxation that are causing the deficits in many cases. Wise up Don.

          • Dave

            And you can ignore the reality of the entire country all you want because you know what I am saying is true… Corporatists do not care about the country… they only care about the corp bottom line regardless of the consequences to society or the country.
            it is the corporations that have the deepest pockets and purchasing policy in trade and taxation that are causing the deficits in many cases. Wise up Don.

          • Don 2

            There you go again Dave…..just can’t seem to grasp that “ability to fund” union bennies issue…..so we’ll just ignore it.

          • Dave

            No Don,
            I gasp the concept, do you understand priorioties?, taker conservative states paying their own way? Paying for what you purchase?
            In the 1980’s you conservatives said Democrats were tax and spend…To an extent you were correct but at least they paid for what they spent.
            We got inflicted with Ronald Reagan and we get tax cut and spend which is why our debts have skyrocketed since 1980. It is conservative fiscal policy that is responsible and Reaganomics that hace ruined this nation.

          • Don 2

            No doubt Dave, you “gasp!” And you guys are still trying to re-write the Reagan legacy. Give it up Dave, blaming a guy who left the office 24 years ago, and giving a pass to a nitwit who’s been in the WH for almost 5 years now. Do your bosses tell you to continue to repeat the same lies over and over, and eventually we’ll believe them? Har-dee-har-har-har!

          • Dave

            No Don,
            It is conservatives who have despararely tried to re-write Reagan’s presidency… trying to squash the income inequality and corpoartism Reagan helped usher in, Negotiating with terrorists that he promised he would never do, using money from weapon sales to Iran to fund his BS war in Central America. If Obama did this AND triple the US debt from policies he put in place, you and the other conservatives would be even more unglued than you are now.
            There are no lies there… The only lies is that Obama is responsible for the economy we have today in the face of the “just say no” Congress in the GOP controlled House and the filibuster-happy Senate. But then you would know this if you bothered to look up what legislation was actually passed in the past 5 years.
            Our failing economy was created over many decades and two presidents presided over the most damage… Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, those two with the help of their congresses created the mess that imploded in 2008. Deal with that reality.

          • Don 2

            There you go again Dave…..just can’t seem to grasp that “ability to fund” union bennies issue…..so we’ll just ignore it.

          • Jack

            Don 2:

            Since Republicans control of 30 or so of the states and one of the houses of Congress, your scenario just doesn’t happen.

          • Don 2

            Jack,
            Apparently, you really do not know anything about labor/management negotiations, do you? Do you think the House or state governors negotiate labor/management contracts for the counties, cities, towns, and villages within their states?

          • Don 2

            Jack,
            Apparently, you really do not know anything about labor/management negotiations, do you? Do you think the House or state governors negotiate labor/management contracts for the counties, cities, towns, and villages within their states?

      • Stuart Shepherd

        red neck- I’m “with you” in spirit and in hating the democrats AND am an admirer of Reagan- BUT I believe that dave’s facts are correct and that his “argument” is sound. Things are not black and white as far as “blame.” I don’t know who have been more destructive to america of late (since the ’80s)- the corporatists or the collectivists- but I DO know it’s all going to end soon- and it’s not going to be pretty. I’m convinced. Freedom fighter has about the best advice. His post is the first

        • vicki

          To use dave’s argument is to claim that both Republicans and Democrats are to blame. There are many here who agree and that is why the Libertarian party is recommended. (www.lp.org)

          • Dave

            I have a tear in my eye… Vicki agrees with me….Now if I can only get you to push for big money out of politics… dare I hope for that?

          • vicki

            Dave writes:

            Now if I can only get you to push for big money out of politics… dare I hope for that?

            Since you support public sector unions it is unlikely that you really want big money out of politics.

          • Dave

            I support unions when they are a positive force for working people… I support corporation’s endevor to make money when it is not at the expense of the country or working people of the United States… I also support gov to do its job to to make sure both Unions and Corporations do not abuse their positions.
            The rest of your post is proof by bald assertion. I have been one of the few here that has called for big money out of the political process from day one. Hopefully one day, you will join me in that desire.

      • Jack

        Red Neck:

        Are you a bitter person? Your post sure reads that way.

        It was Clinton and the Repubs that wanted Nafta and free trade The vast majority of Dems in Congress opposed both.

        The Dems didn’t cause the housing bubble. You need to stop reading all the wacko lies that your fellow righties spread to cover the asses of Republicans and their failed policies.
        According to you guys it was all those poorly educated
        minorities that outsmarted and cheated all those college educated banksters.

        Who wanted the banks deregulated? Who wanted the commodity markets deregulated? Who wanted to legalize and deregulate derivatives and credit default swaps? Who ignored the rampant fraud in the banking home loan market? Who wanted the regulatory agencies to be neutered? In case you didn’t know, all of those things were the policies that the Republicans supported and most of the Democrats opposed.

        How can you call your fellow hard working middle class Americans.communists? Don’t you try to better your life. Why do you begrudge them when they merely are trying to do the same.

        .

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You were a consumer before you were born courtesy of your mom and pop and all your relatives. Were they buying the best of things America was producing or did they go looking for the cheapest products made in Japan, then Korea, etc., then China?

      • Dave

        Nads, I could explain US Corp arrogance and mismanagement that stemmed from having a superior economic position after WW2 ended but I fear it could be wasted on you.
        Who lobbied for the trade rules that allow cheaper goods to come into the US? US Corporations…
        They want more of the money and this was their way to destroy unions and thus pay everyone in this country less as the owners make double digit increases in compensation year over year.
        Time to take the blinders off…

    • Don 2

      Working people’s wages have taken a hit alright; it’s called taxes, to pay for public employee union bloated benefits and pensions. Does Detroit going bankrupt ring a bell, or how about NYC or Chicago?
      Bloomberg Warns NY May Be Next To Go Bankrupt

      http://endtimeheadlines.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/bloomberg-warns-new-york-may-be-next-to-go-bankrupt/

      Chicago Could Follow Detroit Into Bankruptcy, Warned Mayor Rahm Emanuel

      http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/will-chicago-follow-detroit-into-bankruptcy/

  • justaskin

    I think you had better check your stats Ben. The president says that around 126,000 jobs are being consistently added each month and that the economy is doing just fine. Has anyone asked him yet where he and his cohorts have hidden all the gold that does not belong to them? The Krauts are getting upset over that one. Why would they be sending gold to SA? The South Africans will just steal it.

  • FreedomFighter

    “study provides strong evidence that until an individual can secure his own livelihood and at least some modicum of middle-class stability, his opportunities to set aside even a small portion of his disposable income with an eye toward the future are almost nonexistent.”
    If you can: buy long term storage food, ammo, gold, silver, become debt free, move out of the city’s, it is only going to get worse from here out. I would love to be wrong about this, but I don’t think so.
    Laus DeoSemper FI

    • Don 2

      One clarification if you please FF –

      All liberals need not move out of the cities or buy guns.

    • Vis Fac

      FF You are NOT wrong!

      I started closing down decades ago I finally shut our business down because we provided machinery to clients engaged in domestic production, who started closing down due to consumers preferred to buy cheap foreign knock off products in lieu of US made. We suffered the ripple effect of the US consumer supporting foreign economies and government over taxation and regulation (typical liberal actions against business)

      So we packed up and moved and improved acreage we bought in the 70’s closed all but essential bank accounts (just to pay bills and ancillary needs and now set for life. However long the US lives is another question.

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

      Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone thinking we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

      … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch, while a Republic allows a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” This too shall be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • Dave

        Force,
        Who lobbyied to let cheap products from foriegn countries, into this country? Liberals who support working people?
        I see you buy the corpoartist BS hook, line and sinker.
        We are sinking our own ship because both parties are paid by corp interests and they allowed these bad trade and tax policy put into law at the behest of corp America, not the liberals.
        Go to Shanghai and lets see how you like no regulations on pollution. Foxxconn where workers are not allowed to Unionize.
        It is you conservative corporatists and selfish greed that got us here. If you had any military experience at all, you would know that this country does better when it is “we” not “I”. The “we” is what liberals and progressives like myself work to better, not just my own selfish wants and desires.

        • Vis Fac

          What does it matter about who lobbied for what? Spare me your one dimensional logic regarding how benevolent you progressives are.

          You still have no idea what the difference is between regular corporations and Corporate America. Capitalist corporations invest their own money provide employment and produce products that you progressives refuse buy Corporate America the 1% ODUMBO said he wanted to tax then gives tax them breaks and stuck it to the middle class You know; the Banksters that Own ODUMBO and you liberal union supporters.

          The bottom line is the consumer. If no one bought that cheap imported junk then there would be no market Again it boils down to you liberals blaming someone else as to where the blame belongs. Squarely on those who buy the imported Junk. Gotta save that nickel now than be the first to complain!!

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

          Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone thinking
          we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

          … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch, while a Republic allows a well armed sheep to contest the
          vote!” This too shall be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            Now I see why you are so angry… your business failed because of the Reagan Revolution. I hope you enjoyed the fruits of that labor… How do you think the products that you rail against got to this country in the first place? Free Trade….. Free trade that idiots like you applauded and then the Trojan horse came in and your little business got caught up.
            Here is an idea…Put trade regs and tax rules that are good for people. But Corporatists like you found out too late.
            You voted to Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 and all I can say is SUCKER!!!!!!

          • Vis Fac

            DUMB DAVE you are a MORON I am angry at idiots like you who cannot read or comprehend what people say Clowns like you haven’t the brains God promised little apples yet you opine as if you are the authority of all authorities.

            I can’t expect someone with the minus IQ you have to understand so I’ll let you babble on and make a bigger fool of yourself. Every kingdom need a Jester and you are ODUMBO’S.

            You might try and re-read my posts although I doubt you will comprehend any words larger than one syllable as it is obvious you are a product of the indoctrination camps that masquerade as public schools. Your preferred reading materials have pictures to describe what is written I’m sorry this forum is not set up for graphics otherwise you might have a chance of comprehending but that’s rather doubtful. You are the prime example of liberal education and I nominate you for poster child.

            Arguing with idiots like you merely brings one down to your level where you vanquish beat them with your experience.

            So I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. You can go back and play in your sandbox now!

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone thinking
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            What a moron you are… no wonder why your business failed… You were probably 4F as well but trying to play soldier here.

            Keep voting conservative and against your financial interests… You deserve to be the loser you are. Good night fascist.

          • Vis Fac

            Sure thing Dumb Dave you’re spot on!!!!

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone thinking
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress
            is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Oldmonkey

            Better read history of the founders of your wanna be Utopians. They started in Western Culture with Lycurgus of Sparta who saw to it the coins were iron, children were were raised by the State, men were encouraged to share their wives. Families ate in common it the town square, and it was impossible to find neither a virgin or an individual suitable for employment. His warped thoughts were parroted by Socrates in Plato’s Republic.

          • Jack

            Force:

            The more you post the more that you appear to be a person who barely graduated from High School – not someone with a college degree let alone the 3 or 4 you claim to have gotten.

            News for you, there is no difference between regular corporations and Corporate America. Much of the money used by corporations is in fact borrowed money. Progressives don’t refuse to buy things – they would have no place to live, clothes to wear or food to eat if they didn’t buy things.

            Its not the progressives who favor free trade and shipping jobs overseas that you rail against, it is the righties that support that stuff – the very people you adore.

            It is a shame that you can’t see that the very people you vote for and support are the people who are screwing you by pushing the policies you rail against.

            Only in your mind did Obama give tax breaks to the one percenters. Obama did not give tax breaks to them. The Repubs tried very hard to stop tax increases on the one percenters but they failed.

            The banks may own Obama and that concerns me. You however, are blind to the fact that almost every Repub in Congress is a toady for the banksters – including Cruz, Ryan, etc. That is why they have fought so hard to protect the crooks from regulation and laws that would control them.

          • Vis Fac

            I think your reading and comprehension skills have been compromised. If you actually took the time to read what I write rather than the cursory scanning you
            apparently do. You think you know what Corporate America is but haven’t a clue. It is not my job to educate you on the subject either but here’s a little hint
            there are several classifications of Corporate structure. My firm was an S Corporation. I will leave you to do your OWN devices to conduct your OWN due diligence A bit of advise though; don’t listen to everyone as you are too easily confused.

            I also didn’t say you “progressives favor free trade and shipping what I did say is you “progressives” favor the resultant low prices BUT refuse to purchase and
            support domestic production. I guess what I’m saying is that your patriotism goes only as far as your wallet. You don’t mind supporting an Asian or other foreign economy yet complain about no one supporting OUR economy. You are a HYPOCRITE plan and
            simple!

            You have obviously been brainwashed by lame stream media and your economics knowledge is what you glean from BSDNC. You don’t need an MBA to understand basics merely an IQ over 50. FYI it has been well established that the tax on the 1% and the sequestration was merely a ruse to garner support from the neoconservative to raise taxes. Mr. Snake Oil Salesman pulled the wool over your eyes by conning you into thinking only the 1% would be taxed and all others would go untouched. SURPRISE you, and everyone else who earns a paycheck got hit and hit hard while the 1% who I might add own ODUMBO via campaign contributions etc. went unscathed. What might have been taxed on the 1% was covered by special tax loopholes only a few were privy
            to. So you might want to think you know but you don’t, but my account does.(not that I need to know
            remember I QUESTION EVERYTHING)

            You almost committed a Faux Pas as you wanted to desperately say that all “Repubs” are toadies but came up short. You being “progressive” desperately wanted to say all. I must ask you have you ever been to the US or State Capitol or spoken to any of your representatives? I have and I know all of them have their own agendas because the nature of anyone wanting to be a politician is to fulfill that agenda. They also are quite aware that their tenure is dependent on support from their constituents. They are counting on your apathy to keep them in office and you and you ilk
            have done a bang up job of doing just that.

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone thinking
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to
            contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            Infantile Recon strikes again…
            None of these “cheap” knockoffs come into this country without a trade agreement with these countries and you are a proponent of free trade so you slit your own throat…
            LOL… another conservative votes Repuglican and against the country and his own financial interests because he is not intelligent enough to understand the concept.

          • Vis Fac

            ;-)

          • Jack

            Force:

            I don’t have much time so you’ll get a pass regarding most of your dribble.

            Once again you don’t know what you are talking about. There aren’t several classifications of corporations. A corporation is a corporation be it for profit or a nonprofit. Be that it has common stock, preferred stock, both kinds of stock or has no stock at all (some nonprofits or member organizations., .

            A S corporation (actually Sub Chapter S) is merely a designation by the IRS as to how income of such a corporation is taxed. In this case the corporation pays no income taxes, instead the income is passed to the shareholders and they pay taxes on their share of he income.

            Progressives don’t favor cheap imports that destroy good paying American jobs. They would rather pay a little more and keep the American economy strong. It is your free trade move the jobs overseas conservatives that support it. Is it really being patriotic to support policies that weaken America?

            You keep ranting about taxes going up on average people but you never say how or why they did. For your information, withholding taxes being paid for Social Security and Medicare went back up to where they have been since back in the Reagan days. Obama and the Dems passed a law in 2009 or 2010 that reduced them by 2% for two years. The 2 years were up in 2012. Obama and the Dems wanted to continue the reduction. It was your Repubs who refused to reauthorize the reduction . Thus the old tax rates automatically went back into effect.

            Maybe you should start watching the lame street media at at least part of the time as you lying rightie news has dumbed you down so much you no longer know day from night.

            Regarding going to DC and talking to congressmen, I am sorry to disappoint you but for over 20 years part of my former job included being a lobbyist. I have been there and met with congressmen many, many times. Have you ever testified before a congressional hearing? I have.

            I didn’t say all Repubs were toadies because that would not be true. The truth is that almost all are and if the tea party types keep it up I will soon be able to honestly say that all the Repubs in Congress are toadies.

            To be fair, a number of Dems are also toadies but they are in the minority. I also agree that Obama is a toadie but not nearly as bad of a one as either McCain or Romney are.

            Since you are retired, why don’t you spend some of your time in educating yourself as to what has been going on for the past 30 years and stop getting all your misinformation, I m sorry. information from Fox and other rightie nuts

          • Vis Fac

            Jack I’m only going to say this once since it is impossible to re-educate a liberal after they have been brainwashed in public school AND you won’t believe anything other than the slop from lame stream media and what the government wants you to hear. This will be short and to the point!

            As I was an entrepreneur a business owner and corporate CEO and you obviously were not. You are full of it. There are definitely separate classifications for corporations not just sub classifications. LLC is a classification as well we fall under an umbrella but administration and rules governing taxation vary according to class so the Corporate America is in fact the one I spoke of earlier and the one you think all corporations operate under.
            Yeah you’re the one holding the MBA and an expert on everything liberal. Keep drinking that liberal Cool Aid and remain stupid. You are proof positive that you cannot tell a liberal any thing for to be liberal is to be a KEFT.

          • Jack

            Force:

            Didn’t you go to public school?

            When you say you can’t re-educate a liberal – maybe that is because you are not trying to re-educate, you’re trying to indoctrinate. Which is better the person who listens to others telling them that 2 plus 2 is 10 and finally believing it or the person who refuses to accept that a lie as being the truth?

            A LLC is not a corproration it is a limited liability company – a hybrid blend with the limited liability of a corporation but with the rights and obligations as a partnership. You keep confusing how an entity is taxed with what type of an entity something is.

          • Vis Fac

            When I formed my corporation I had a choice LLC Limited liability CORPORATION which has now been re classified as a company (mia culpa for not keeping up) a General Corporation – A Closed Corporation and an S Corporation All have distinct advantages and disadvantages Taxation being the main concern.

            I went to public school prior to 1963 how prior I will not say we had a 98% college ready class who actually went to college today we have less then 50% who can pass the lower high school proficiency exam let alone qualify for college. So yes re-education might be a misnomer because in order to re-educate one must be educated in the first place Liberals and the NEA took over the school system in the 70’s when the liberal one dimensional indoctrination process began, so you can draw your own conclusions even when using data supplied by the NEA if you like you can only come to one conclusion.

            I fine it Ironic that you liberals say that 2 plus 2 equal 10 because that is exactly what I keep repeating All i need mention is Detroit to demonstrate Liberal math and economics. Detroit ODUMBO’s model city has been 100% Democratically controlled since 1960. ODUMBO and apparently you as well want the nation to follow in Detroit’s metaphorical foot steps Case closed

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone believing
            we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            Benjamin Franklin once said … A democracy can be best described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb
            contesting the vote.”

            Our Republic that allows for a well armed sheep to contest the vote!” shall soon be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress
            is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

        • Oldmonkey

          Foxxconn may suck, but it beats the hell out of Mao’s mentality and its result. China has mandated unions in many companies owned by Taiwanese & Japanese.

          • Jack

            Oldmonkey:

            I guess you don’t understand that unions in China are not like unions in the Us or in Europe. The unions in China are part of the government, they don’t represent the workers they represent the government.

          • Dave

            OldMonkey,
            Jack is correct, if an Employee of Foxxconn dares try and start a Union for better wages, conditions, benefits… They will see 10 years in Jail. So looks like China and some conservatives see eye to eye on that point.

      • Jack

        Force:

        Your really getting me confused. You previously said that after doing three consecutive tours in a Marine recon unit in Vietnam and getting 3 or 4 college degrees (all within a couple of years) you started your 100 employee engineering firm doing business world wide (which you started under Carter and was saved in 1981 or 1982 by Reagan) had been going strong for some 35 years.

        Now you are saying the business is not only closed but that you started closing it down decades ago. The engineering firm now seems to have turned into a machine shop (there is nothing wrong with machine shops).

        By the way, consumers didn’t give a damn about taxes and regulations. Businesses moved overseas because the Government’s trade and tax policies allowed them to make more money and pay less in taxes to move overseas and import their products back into the US. THESE policies were
        supported by almost all the Republicans/conservatives in Congress as well as some Democrats including Clinton.

        The Republicans/conservatives in Congress still support those same policies. So does Obama and a minority of the Democrats in Congress.

        You and your fellow righties gripe about Obama being a socialist or a communist when he is a corporatist. You guys all gaga over Cruz, Rand, etc. when those people are all corporatists who don’t give a damn about the average person – they only do the biding of the people/business with lots of money. The funny and sad thing is that all of you seem to be unable to understand what they have and will do to you, your families and this country.

  • dan

    The problem with higher education is that it usually leads to lower morality…
    maybe the study should have looked at the coresponding incidence of divorce and femminism once the biology and hormones settled and the desire and
    ambition of college women to have it ALL (family AND career) reemerged.

    • Dave

      Really,

      Would you mind proving the assertion of…

      “The problem with higher education is that it usually leads to lower morality…”

      Thanks!
      I know religious people who are highly immoral… I know dumb people who are immoral…black, white, asian, middle eastern…
      You know an easier thing to prove? People/Societies that prize “things” being most important in their lives usually leads to lower morality… When your self-worth or what society deems as being successful is tied up into what you own, that is when greed, jealousy take hold and reduce morality.
      You have a better time making that case….

  • Robbie

    For over a decade we have been told that the Bush tax cuts to the mega rich were necessary to induce the rich to create jobs in America. 13 years of Bush tax still have not done what was promised.

  • Michael Shreve

    Popular MYTH is that INDUSTRIAL America was TAKEN from US. The TRUTH is that WE threw it away. When the rest of the world caught up with the U.S. industrially we DIDN’T compete we DEMANDED. The public REFUSED to pay the freight and chose lower priced competing (foreign) brands. Instead of ADAPTING, American industry CHOSE stasis and death.