Comments Subscribe to Personal Liberty News Feed Subscribe to Personal Liberty
 

With Liberty And Justice For Some

October 7, 2010 by  

With Liberty And Justice For Some

Just under a month ago, patriots filled the space in front of the Lincoln Memorial for a demonstration.

Fronted by conservative icons Glenn Beck and erstwhile Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin, the Restoring Honor rally was massive. And when I say massive, I’m talking Rosie O’Donnell visiting the Twinkie factory massive.

The Democrat leadership quailed at the sight of a half-million spirited citizens standing up to be counted in opposition to the increasingly unhinged tyranny which President Barack Obama vomits down upon us from on high. Even the most desperately thorazine-deficient mainstream media outlets couldn’t deny the taxpaying muscle on full display.

Instead, they turned to the rhetorically geriatric tactic of reading Democrat Party authored hate speech memos mocking the intelligence of the Tea Partiers, calling attendees racist, and in a couple of cases, manufacturing laughably fictional tales of diabolical doings on the part of those opposed to Democrat dominance.

And then the Left decided to try and play with the varsity. A group which calls itself “One Nation Working Together” — in reality the usual collaboration of thugs like the Service Employees International Union, racist hate groups like La Raza, and even the artists formerly known as the NAACP (more accurately acronymed the NAACK — National Association for the Advancement of Cop Killers), announced a plan to hold a “One Nation” rally on the same real estate occupied by their foes.

Wingnuts nationwide polished their tinfoil hats and downloaded all the latest talking points so they could join in the hatefest. Then… they no-showed. Perhaps lower-echelon liberals didn’t want to miss out on their local ACORN chapter’s “How to steal votes and influence hookers” seminar.

Whatever the reason, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s minions are rushing headlong toward an electoral Little Big Horn; and compared to the Restoring Honor turnout, Saturday’s ironically-monikered “One Nation” rally was a Pop Warner consolation game played next door to the Super Bowl.

Among the top-of-the-bottom-rung orators who cracked One Nation’s big can of crazy: MSNBC 4th-stringer Ed Schultz. Ed howled with indignation. He shrieked at the top of his lungs. He sweated butter (Ed should consider his health). He thundered like he’d just been informed that Martha Coakley had been whipped by Scott Brown again.

Granted, picking on poor Eddie is like swatting a fly with an AC-130. But even I couldn’t devise the sharpest blow Ed suffered as a result of his rage during the One Nation circus. According to The Daily Caller’s Matthew Boyle, those few foot soldiers of the left who did sneak out of their parents’ basements reacted to Schultz’s barbaric yawp with bewilderment.

They had no idea who he was. The 4th pitcher in creepshow channel MSNBC‘s starting rotation — who guaranteed he could personally deliver a crowd as large as Restoring Honor — and he was as well received as Al Gore at a convention of narcoleptic coal miners.

Meanwhile, the biggest gunners in the Democrat brigade apparently forgot to load their weapons. The labor union schutzstaffel SEIU was supposed to bring busloads of purple-shirted storm troopers to cheer their fuehrers forward. And while the goons did leave a carpeting of familiar purple signs and more litter than a second-rate carnival, their numbers were as underwhelming as a speed-dating session at which all the bachelorettes are Janet Napolitano doppelgangers.

For such sensitive folk, they certainly did their part to justify the wages of the park cleanup crews. Perhaps the SEIU thought resurfacing the Mall in purple Astroturf would be good for recruiting. Or maybe they didn’t think there would be enough senior citizens on whom they could pound.

The Reverend Al Sharpton was there, along with fellow professional huckster Rev. Jesse Jackson. Evidently, neither of their regular congregations was able to…. ooh… awkward. Also in attendance were some of the folks Democrats would rather had stayed in their yurts, like the Communist Party USA. (Yes, Virginia, they do exist).

By Monday night, Schultz was back in his cage at MSNBC, apparently suffering from some kind of exertion-related delusion. He claimed the One Nation freak show was equal in size to the Restoring Honor rally, although pictures of the two shown side-by-side reveal a discrepancy larger than the population of a medium-sized city, or medium-security Federal penitentiary (not that a One Nation attendee would know anything about that).

But the best comment of the day honors have to go to our pal Al (Sharpton):

“This is what America looks like.”

Communists, racists, thugs, union filth and wingnut media “entertainers?”

Um… Al? Please tell Ed: you guys really need to get Outside the Asylum more often.

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

Facebook Conversations

Join the Discussion:
View Comments to “With Liberty And Justice For Some”

Comment Policy: We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don't stoop to name calling. We use filters for spam protection. If your comment does not appear, it is likely because it violates the above policy or contains links or language typical of spam. We reserve the right to remove comments at our discretion.

Is there news related to personal liberty happening in your area? Contact us at newstips@personalliberty.com

  • dan az

    What happened to the black panthers? I dont recall seeing them there!
    Must of scared them to see all those old people with canes and no sticks with signs.

    • FreedomFighter

      It was a cross-section of the evil Progressive/socialist/communist liberal insane in one spot. The relatively miniscule gathering of Alinsky-ites servants of satan and usefull idiots only demonstrated to Americans what the wrong way was to go.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Mike In MI

        Hey, All – Speaking of libery and justice for SOME:

        Not to get too far off the subject but I want to bring your attention to a matter of justice that’s going down you should know about(if you don’t already).
        An Army Flight Surgeon, Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin. M.D., is being tried by the U.S. Army for refusing to comply with orders. His reason for doing so is that the chain of command has been corrupted since the Commander-in-Chief has never proven his eligibility for the office. If he can not or does not provide such documentation his chain of command is baseless and without authority.
        The JAG officer sitting the case has issued a statement against the good doctor contending his position is “an embarressment” to the President. (So what? This president is a shame upon the people of this nation.)

        See: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pgId=211589

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Mike in MI…. This is not new news… I hope he gets someone to defend that is on the same page as him. That is outrageous that his own lawyer thinks this is an embarrassment to Barry… Barry has created his own issues by refusing to show his birth certificate. Frankly I think Glenn Beck is off on this one. He should have to prove his citizenship and his history. Because there are so many ideas floating around about him, one story I read said he had gay encounters in college. I guess as long as he wants to be so secretive about his past that anything anybody says is fair game!

          • http://none Alex

            Big deal. What’s it to YOU, anyway.

            It has been known for many years that Ronald Reagan was a Hollywood bisexual—so what?

          • 45caliber

            Lakin’s lawyer IS on his side. The JAG is the judge in the case. The judge is refusing to allow Lakin to use that as a defense in his case.

          • Mike In MI

            Alex – “Big Deal, what’s it to you…”

            Yea, It is a big deal; it’ a HUGE deal. There are chemicals in semen (they are there for reproductive purposes) that when introduced into the mucus membrane orfices or gut of a male they can pass across the membranes to the blood stream. Two chemicals (prostaglandin E2 and b-endorphin) are synergistic at 4x to 8x of their strength by themselves. They are not harmful to women because their systems are built to receive them for functions related to reproduction and bonding to their partners.

            But, in males over a long time and many repetitions of their vice one develops habituation, tolerance, addiction, digestive problems, Zinc depletion (Zinc losing enteropathy), immune system suppression with malfunctions (become a focus for infections) and encephalopathies of various sorts which may include brain shrinkage and destruction due to loss of cephalic control of blood pressure. In short, there has been lots of information available in the past about the dangers to homosexuals of their behavioral aberration and the consequences of that behavior to society. (All you have to do is look at the Catholic church from the diocese level to Rome.)
            But, somehow that information has been expunged from the “scientific” record and suppressed from the public record as a result of some incredibly powerful entity who wants homosexuality to seem
            “ACCEPTABLE” in decent, civil human culture…about as acceptable as handing a moslem a fuse and a pound of C4 in a crowd of Jews and Christians.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

            Very informing Mike in MI, let the truth out so all can see and know the consequinces of sinning against nature and GOD, an abomination of a sin.

          • Christin

            Robin from IN,
            I agree, Glenn Beck should have stuck with the history of BO’s birth certificate and birthplace, instead of reporting that he is Hawaian born. I sometimes wonder if his network said that was forbidden territory and just to drop it. As some posters have said that is a non-point as one can not be come prez with one foreign born parent and the other from America.

            As far as BO being gay in his college years… well, it appears he still is. In a report “Why obamma is subjected to Blackmails” listed at http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/why-obama-is-subjected-to-blackmails/ …(I have only been successful in opening this site in the evening or at night) BO and Rahm Emanuel are lifetime members of the same gay bath house, Man’s Country, in uptown Chicago. (poor Michelle, not) The article is very explicit stating with whom and what race and age BO prefers and who his current ones are that travel with him as advisors on Air Force One as prez. Frankly, the knowledge of his homosexuality creeeeeeps me out… not the sort of Leader of America I envisioned.

            Many people including posters here don’t care if people are homosexual and say what you do in your own bedroom is your own business, but they aren’t thinking things through, I don’t think.

            What people are anxious to ruin the “family unit”, teach gay education to children from Kindergarten to high school, change the definition of marriage, have perverted gay-pride parades butt- f–in in the streets, pervert the American flag of our country making it rainbow colors, force companies to give gay partners rights & healthcare, force only gay “Hate Crimes Bill” when all crimes are hateful, and shut Americans up about “religion” (Christianity) that preaches that the homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Bible 1 Corinthians 6 : 9… of course, as with any sin, if you repent and turn from your sin, wicked ways, then you are forgiven and all is set right.)

            The homosexual community and other deviant sexual behaviors are ALL liberals and will NEVER VOTE Conservative. They will NEVER support the church, God and Jesus, the family unit, truthful historical education and homosexual-agenda-free education from indoctrination of our kids, nor will they support the smaller government that we must have as they want separate rights. So you see… what they do in their bedroom doesn’t stay there.

            Alex,
            Ronald Regan a Hollywood bisexual??… great, I don’t know about that one.

            Mike in MI,
            Thanks for the Human Biology lesson. I did not know all of that… whew.

            Randy131,
            …that about says it for me, too.

          • Kate8

            Mike in MI – That was a great piece on physiology. Thanks. I’d never heard that.

            Goes to show how even medicine is silenced by PC.

            I remember a scientist who came out with research showing brain differences in people of different races, and was kicked out of the scientific community.

            One big problem with PC is that if the truth is inconvenient to their agenda, it is replaced with a lie and ENFORCED. Truth is irrelevant. Agenda trumps truth.

          • Dogma-Free

            I once heard that almost all Republican males are closet homosexuals…well, at least the ones who went to church. I guess they figure the reason is that the churches are very homo-centric, and that they encourage molesting young boys. Then those young, molested boys grow up to be men, and they all want to molest young boys, and so on.
            I mean, even the military seems a bit too ‘Village People’, these days.

            It’s kind of ironic, really, that the religious right, who so adamantly denounce homosexuality (well, verbally…), all secretly practice it themselves. Maybe that’s why those tea party idiots, call themselves ‘tea-baggers’.

            I mean, if you look at Ben’s pic, he looks like he’s probably gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, mind you, but maybe it’s just time to be honest with yourselves.

        • BrotherPatriot

          Here is a link to the changing of Mr. Lakin’s defence attorney and some more information.

          http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=211485

          I’m proud to say that about one week ago I also not only left a donation to the defence fund but also a comment for him to change his attorney’s tactics to focus upon the Constitution and how it says that the Presidentcy requires that those elligable must be NATURAL born citizens. Obummer’s father NEVER was an American citizen.

          Enough said…no need to impeach. Impeaching implies that he had a right to pursue candidacy and we know this to be untrue. This now affects all those that have helped put him into office. This means…America is facing the greatest crisis of her history and we cannot turn a blind eye because it’s “embarrassing”. It’s our DUTY to right these wrongs…! To subpeona, investigate, expose and proscecute.

          God Bless you, Lt. Col. Terry Lakin & your bravery!

          • dan az

            Brotherpatriot
            Well put Im 100% with ya on that!

      • dan az

        Freedomfighter
        Are you taking lessons from i41 damn that was hard to even read!lol

    • Al Sieber

      dan, my son lives in Williams, and works in Flagstaff, how close was that tornado to you?

      • dan az

        Hey Al
        belmont is about 15 miles from where I work in williams at the bike shop.Where is your kid at ask him to stop by the shop love to meet him!

        • Al Sieber

          dan, he works for waste management so he’s on the road between Flagstaff and Williams, his girl friend lives in Williams on some ranch. I’ll tell him to stop in to see you, he’s one of us. him and his girlfriend go shooting all the time.

          • dan az

            Hey Al
            Cool!Let him know that I want your Email address too!Ill give Him Mine!

  • JeffH

    When was all of this supposed to have taken place? Was this thing, an SEIU ACORN gathering? Can’t recall hearing about it. Oh well, must not have been a very important rally if the MSN missed it. Who is Ed Schultz?

    • Kate8

      JeffH, Funny thing is, last night I flipped on CSPAN and caught a lecture on journalistic ‘ethics’ to a group of young, aspiring journalists. It only took a moment to figure out it was leftist indoctrination at its finest.

      The speaker (some ‘top-notch’ expert unknown to me) was lecturing about the ‘unconscionable, blatant lies’ coming from Glenn Beck and FoxNews in general, and how the framework of journalism has blurred the lines between news and commentary. He held up the NY Times as an example of journalistic excellence.

      The group seemed a bit bored, presumably because everything he said they’d heard all their lives ad nauseum. It was no surprise, of course, but it’s still astounding how the left exists in such an alternate reality of their own delusions.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, my cable is provided by Comcast and we have channel 190 which is UCTV…they often show Van Jones, O’mans green czar choice and a communist, lecturing about the green environment. It, too, is total liberal progressive indoctrination. There are many of these channels throughout cable television.

        • BrotherPatriot

          sooo very true, you guyz. >.<

          But what should we expect from the media controlled machine that the NWO owns…bleh.

        • 45caliber

          Jeff:
          Environmentalism is actually a religion to many of them now. “Take care of Mother Earth and it will take care of you.”

          To Mother Earth, we are bugs. And not very nice ones. More on the line of ants or cockroaches.

          • Kate8

            45, If Earth is our Mother, she loves us all, including the bugs.

            I think she weeps for her children, and prays for us as well. We are all part of her, and part of the Universe.

            It is only we who view other life-forms with contempt.

        • Kate8

          JeffH, CSPAN is where you watch the goings on in the Senate (CSPAN) and House (CSPAN 2). They have Congressional committees discussions, book reviews, speeches by politicians and other proceedings during times when Congress is not in session. And they actually come from both sides of the aisle (though mostly left, I think).

          I just found it interesting how this (obviously communist) journalist acted as if he and the left-wing media were of the highest integrity, and spoke of ‘truth in journalism’, while accusing the right-wing media of ‘unconscionable lies’. It would have been funny if it wasn’t so pathetic and, in fact, UNCONSCIONABLE.

          Made my stomach turn.

      • 45caliber

        Kate:

        A cousin of my wife’s took journalism in college in Chicago. His class was told that the “No. 1 responsibility of a journalist is to mold public opinion.” Notice that he didn’t say anything about reporting the news. He went on to say that if it took a lie to get the public to do as wanted, then the lie was okay. After all, he said, the lie would be on the front page and any retraction – if required – would be buried in a small note in the middle of the paper.

        When asked what public opinion was supposed to be, he said, “We decide that.”

        And newsmen now wonder why the public lumps them in the same category as lawyers and politicians – who make their living by lying.

        • Kate8

          45, Yes, and there are only a handful of people who really can see through this. And strange how journalists so readily accept this idea. Maybe it has something to do with being among the chosen…

          As long as our only source of news comes from an idiot box, I suppose this will continue.

          • Vicki

            But the “idiot box” is no longer our only source of news. Talk Radio and the World Wide Web have seen to that. One of the many reasons the “idiot box” is loosing ( has lost ) sooo many of its viewers. We CAN check the stories and we do see the difference between news, commentary/opinion and blatant public opinion corrupting.

            Every time a liberal comes here and tells us to stop listening to Beck I get amused. We don’t listen to Beck. He listens to US.

          • Christin

            kate8 and Vicki,

            Yes, but that is why the “idiots” controlling the “idiot box” want to get RID of Talk Radio, FOX cable and the internet… so WE won’t have the TRUTH anymore and will be at a disavantage to talk, spread the truth and organize.

          • Karolyn

            I find National Public Radio to by very balanced. They always present both sides of issues, maybe not always at the same time; but they intelligently question anyone that is featured.

  • Give me a Break!

    He is one of the Liberals little reps. that tries real hard to be like Wilkow and has his own talk show on Satellite talk radio.

  • Angel Wannabe

    I’m quite sure when Alveda King took the stage with Glenn Beck at the 8/28 rally, The Rev Jackson & Al Sharpton acted like little jealous children, who ended up with smaller ice cream cones!_
    The Liberals lost the debate.-They had they’re chance to show us what they got, a whole two years worth, but the hopey changy crap they’ve slung, wouldn’t fertilize patio tomatoes!__Glenn Becks 8/28 gathering wasn’t about politics, it was about Christ! It was about each of us taking and individual resoncibility/accountibility to get right with God, so that we could unite as a whole, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, and then get informed_-We’ve lost our way, from the original intent of the fouders. We’re a spoiled people, we have the best country in the world, and we are on the brink of losing it to progressive elitests, who thinks they know whats better for us, than we do, and we’ve left them!__We’ve left the elitest manipulate the message, for a few hundred years, they’ve distorted the truth and truley have manipulated the message and it’s time for us to walk the truth!!!__Glenn 8/28 was call to get right with the creator__One Nation Working Together was class warfare a bunch of kids trying to out do the other!!
    Now As far as Ed Schultz__I didn’t know who Ed Schultz was, until I saw a video of him on The Blaze acting like a azz!__and as for One Nation Working Together Rally, they were a bunch of wolves in sheeps clothing, shouting my “Rally’s bigger Than Yours”, they had no message, if they did nobody’s buying it!___It reminded me of King Phillip Spanish Armada, losing the Holy War against England, his priests turned they’re backs on him!!!
    Our rights come from God, it’s the elitists that’s tried to destroy that notion!___They haven’t!__ The torch is passing, and we are arming our kids with the truth!!!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Angel Wannabe… Well said! I think the real show will be in November. Yes! We will take our country back! One way or another!

    • JKO

      I agree. AND not one person was required to be there. At 10 2 10 many of the union’s members were required to be there. Not to mention the buses that took them there and the free lunch. None of this was true on 8 28. People chose to come and brought their own food etc. Also, the grounds were left in immaculate condition with Beck’s gig. 10 2 10 should be ashamed of all the garbage they left. And there were at least 5X as many people at 8 28. (I’ve been to the area they occupied.)

      Here’s the scarey part for me. Were these people that stupid that they actually thought they would get the same or a better response?? And these are the people the Presidient surrounds himself with?? CREEEEEEPPPPPPYYYY…..

      • DaveH

        And all that trash is coming from the party that is going to save our environment. What a bunch of hippocrites.

        • BrotherPatriot

          It’s quite the visual example of the TRASH that we have in office, at the moment…

        • Vigilant

          Good call!

      • 45caliber

        At least one Department head in the government “suggested” that it would be a good career choice for the workers in that Department to be seen there too. A BIG No No.

      • Christin

        JKO,
        Where can I find pictures of the 10 2 10 Communist Rally?
        I’d like to see the paid crowd and the SEIU purple mess left behind.

  • s c

    What can you say about social engineers and their sleazoid pals? They have little use for what makes America great, and they dare to claim they know what’s best for us. Look at their role models, and what you see is a herd of miscreants who line up like robots and confuse America’s greatness with the likes of Stalin, Mao and Alinsky.
    They’re communists, useful idiots, retards, racists, thugs, union filth, wingnut media entertainers, whores and self-made losers who prefer slavery to freedom. They are domestic enemies, people.

    • Mick

      s c says:
      October 7, 2010 at 8:32 am
      What can you say about social engineers and their sleazoid pals? They have little use for what makes America great, and they dare to claim they know what’s best for us. Look at their role models, and what you see is a herd of miscreants who line up like robots and confuse America’s greatness with the likes of Stalin, Mao and Alinsky.
      They’re communists, useful idiots, retards, racists, thugs, union filth, wingnut media entertainers, whores and self-made losers who prefer slavery to freedom. They are domestic enemies, people.
      *******************************************************
      *********************************************************
      s c,,,,I like your style, you call a spade a spade something that has been lacking in this nation for too long………
      For America’s sake let’s ditch the political correctness and bring back the bluntness needed to let people know exactly where they stand.

      • bruce d.

        I have to agree with that. The left has no fear when it comes to slander yet the right has to tiptoe around every issue no matter what the facts are.

        • http://yahoo Robert

          The right ignores the facts, and replaces them with opinions. Ellen Goodman said: “There is a sense that we don’t need science or editing or fact-checking, as long as we have crowd sourcing. We don’t have to build opinion on facts; we can build facts on opinions.”

          • DaveH

            What a joke, Robert. Typically when a Liberal makes a comment of “fact” on this board, I know that it won’t be a waste of my time to do some research on the subject and prove that fact wrong.
            When it comes to Fabricated Facts, the Liberals win that contest hands down.

          • Kate8

            Robert, I think you’ve got that exactly backwards.

            What was once called good will be called evil, and what was once called evil will be called good….

          • Conservatives United

            Ellen Goodman, a few years back advocated to a 3 parent households. she had this whole loony idea all worked out for parenting etc, but she was having trouble working out the SEXUAL RELATIONS part between the partner. This is an example of just how out of touch with reality she and all others like her are with main steam America.

          • Mike In MI

            Oh, a-a-ah,uh-uh-uh-m-m-m, Robbie -
            Who is it that has based their “science” on consensus in matters of “climb-it change”, value of a 2-sex family in child-rearing, FDA oversight and certification of drugs/therapies/procedures/implements,
            proofs that evolution is a fallacy, and purchase of research studies that show what the buyer wants promoted, and on and on?
            Um, who is doing the editting in matters regarding the worth of and need for upright character in public service, legislating from the bench, revision of history in textbooks, lying in newsrooms (NY Times, Time mag., Vogue, etc.) and hiding the crime and murder statistics among homos?
            Oh, “fact checking”? Real wide open spaces here. Do you remember a presidential candidate who said something about having “an open and transparent admnistration”? How do you personally regard him whose lies rival the goodies in the Satanic Bible, the Koran and the Humanist Manifesto all rolled into one? Do YOU ever try to fact check how the left shades and twists most facts and truths?
            Talk about someone who is manipulable and credulous…

          • 45caliber

            Robert:

            And that is exactly what the Democrats (see Al Gore) are trying to do. Just look at global warming, for instance.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Like I said Kate8, the message of life has been manipulated & distorted for many lifetimes!

          • Tinwarble

            And it was SEIU’s Andy Stern who said:

            “[W]e prefer to use the power of persuasion, but if that doesn’t work we use the persuasion of power.”

            The facts pretty much speak for themselves. When the organizers of the ONE “Marxist” Nation rally were made up of communist, socialist, Marxist, uber-progressives & defenders of tyrannical murders, points which they did not deny & apparently are proud of. When they have to demand that their members attend & give out class credit’s to get even the small amount of people to show up & when they have a speaker (Harry Belafonte) who say’s that the Tea Party people, who have no real power other than the power at the ballot box & to peacefully assemble without leaving tons of trash when they leave, are the greatest threat to freedom. Then what facts do you have. These are the facts, if you do not see this, then your science is just more leftist junk science.

      • JKO

        AMEN AMEN AMEN

        As a teacher I sometimes ask my kids if I have the right to be a racist (which is hard for me since I am a person of mixed race.) They say no. I will then ask them where the law is that says I can’t. As we talk I point out that I have the right to say anything I want about anyone as long as it is not slander. I also point out that you (the students) have the right to not hire me or hang out with me if I do so. And they get it.
        Of course I work on a reservation and we can still talk like this in their schools. Ironic that those our government took so much freedom from exibit more freedom than most in America….

        • 45caliber

          That’s because they seldom vote in a block because some spokesman tells them to do it. As a result, they are ignored by those in power.

      • 45caliber

        THere are several reasons for PC. One is certainly thought control. Another is that the liberals simply have fits when they hear something that disagrees with their agenda. Therefore they need to make sure no one does – at least in their hearing.

        It is one of the worst ideas that ever came out of their group. Why should someone be able to sue me because I disagree with him? It should definately be outlawed.

        • Kate8

          I would seem that slander is now perfectly acceptable, especially when directed at anyone on the right.

          Just listen to all the venom being spewed about Glenn Beck et al, accusing him of lies, hate speech, racism and every vile thing the left employs as everyday propaganda.

          There was a time when a slander or libel suit could deter mud-slinging, but today it’s just common practice.

          • Vigilant

            The lawyers long ago pretty much put “public figures” in the crosshairs of libel/slander. There’s not much a public figure can do to combat it. And that’s sad, indeed.

          • Karolyn

            There is certainly a great deal of slander thrown around here on this board by conservatives.

          • eddie47d

            Kate and viglilant; We now have the freedom to slander anyone and get away with it. Republicans are always against campaign reform and support legalized lying in political ads. No one is accountable anymore. You reap what you sow!

          • Jana

            eddie47,
            The Democrats have shown they have a great talent for that themselves.

      • American Citizen

        Mick, I agree. I the media would really tell it like it is, they would call the so-called “terrorists” what they really are, Murdering Thugs. Maybe that would give the Muslims pause. After all, it’s against the 5th Commandment to kill another human being. God does not approve except for the justice system. Jesus showed this to be true because He submitted to it.

        • Kate8

          AC, I think Yeshua was demonstrating how human ‘justice’ goes against the heart of the Father, and persecutes and kills anything good within us. And yet, also, to prove that goodness cannot be killed, but will always rise up again victorious.

          I don’t think He was, in any way, advocating for submission to an unjust human system as a rule.

        • 45caliber

          AC, I think it is the 7th Commandment. The 5th is “Honor your father and mother”.

          Anyway, it also does not say “Thou shall not kill” in the original.

          It says, “Thou shall not murder.”

          And that is exactly what the terrorists do. Further, in their own Koran it says that suicide is the murder of yourself and you cannot get redemption for that act. So most terrorists fail Paradise twice right there.

          • Christin

            45caliber,

            Commandment VI Thou shalt not murder
            Commandment VII Thou shalt not commit adultery

            (Had to look them up, Exodus 20)

            You are right about “murder” and “kill”… they are different.

            That would probably help a LOT of people who are uncertain as to sentencing… hard core criminals, repeat murderer or rape offenders who have chosen not to change, and terrorists who murder… to death.

        • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

          Whoa1 The Muslims are NOT Christians. They have a different god with different morals. They belie3ve in conversion by killing…convert or be killed. They do not believe in mercy; they do believe in killing those who do not agree with them, and it is heroic to kill those who have not converted to Islaam fully.

          They do not adhere to the 10 Commandments;that is a Christian thing, not honored by Islaam. You should get a current Qur’an and read it, and learn what they believe totally firmly, and how they are commended to convert the world.

          Too many people have never read what Islaam really is all about, so think it is no danger! But if they learned it, they would realize the truth!!

    • BrotherPatriot

      Unfortunately, sooo very true…S C. Well said, brother…enemies within.

  • Paul R

    I fully agree with everything said so far in these responses, but these are the kind of people who are now leading this country and if “we the people” don’t get our head our of our arsses they will continue!! keep your powder dry and your pantries full and get on your knees..

    • William

      Paul R. I wasn’t aware that we had any leadership any more,

      • 45caliber

        There are leaders. It is just that the MSM immediately jumps all over them to make them look bad. One of the three rules of takeover of the US by the American Communist Party (now disbanded) was to use the media to destroy the image of any leader the people might like to follow.

        • Christin

          Disbanded… now… really?

          The MSM says all kinds of horrible things about people on the right and they show their extreme biased for or against a candidate by: their choice of words, snickers and mockery, amount of time they spend talking about those candidates, and the amount of “short clips” from the ads of the opposing party.

          It may be more subtle, but I think it is still going on, don’t you?

          • 45caliber

            Oh, it is going on. I said the American Communist Party disbanded. Actually, I belive they are the Democrat Communist Party now or something like that.

            The first rule was to destroy the ruggedness of the American people by concentrating their attention on spectator sports and sex. That seems to be all you see on TV.

            The second rule was to use the media to prevent the people from knowing what goes on in the legislative halls while destroying the image of any natural leader the people might wish to follow. That too seem to be going on.

            The third rule was to disarm the population through gun control. And they are certainly trying there too.

            I don’t really believe that the Communists are trying to do all this alone now though. I think they have some help from others.

          • Kate8

            Christin, 45, and anyone who hasn’t read ‘The Gods of the Copybook Headings’ by Rudyard Kipling.

            I sure don’t remember studying this one in school. Amazing how many men, early on, saw this coming.

            http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm

          • Christin

            45caliber,
            Yes, you are right.
            I miss read your post… sorry.
            Thanks for the clarification.

  • David

    One day soon enough it will be us against them and as we saw at 8/28, there are a whole lot more of us than them.

    Did you ever notice how out of shape those union groups are? They should march more often….

    • JKO

      Best comment so far!!!

  • Doc Sarvis

    Shame on you Mr. Crystal for the following statement;”the artists formerly known as the NAACP (more accurately acronymed the NAACK — National Association for the Advancement of Cop Killers)”. People on this site claim I bring up the race card and I do only when it is appropriate to point out other people’s harmful views. You brought race up in this statement in a very hateful way.

    • TIME

      Oh My God I will Cry me a bloody River, such Hate, oh no the Hate, how can I live with this wild and crazy Hate.

      You bloody little pant load Doc get over yourself.

      • Doc Sarvis

        You need therapy.

        • William

          not nearly as much as you do doc,

          • http://yahoo Robert

            I agree with Doc.

          • Kate8

            Robert- Big surprise on that one.

            LOL,

          • Jana

            Our leftists readers always have such a hard time hearing the truth. Actualy, the Truth seems to be blocked from their hearing or reading.

            We all know racism exists. Racism no matter WHO it comes from is wrong. It is true that in the olden days the white men and women were the racists and a lot of terrible injustices happened. Then the white men were properly chastised and the great awareness of all of the injustices and the evils that were done came out, as they should, and a great change started. Now that we have realized the evil of our ways, we have bent over backwards to rectify our actions. It seems though this is not good enough, so NOW the race card is played for every thing whether race was involved or not. It has become a get of jail free card for everyone other than a white person.
            Some of these groups such as the Black Panthers and SEIU as well as even ACORN have turned the tables and are turning into the racists of old days, only toward the white man.
            They have beome the bullies, and the racists, and the overbearing, which shows they are no better than the whites of the old days.
            For a long time we sat back and let them wipe their feet on us like doormats because we thought we probably deserved it and they need to get their feelings out and then we can all work on getting along. Unfortunately, we see that isn’t what is happening. They are turning into hate mongers and have decided on their own that we should pay for our sins forever, even though we have repented.
            IT WAS NOT MY GENERATION THAT DID ALL OF THIS, therefore no more are we gonna be doormats for anyone. We all play fair is the way it should be, and if you don’t play fair, then shame on you and you will be called out.
            We are NOT afraid of you, bullies are usually cowards. We all should be and will be held accountable for our actions equally!
            It’s time for all racists to get over themselves no matter what your skin color is and start acting like a human being.

          • 45caliber

            Jana:

            The Truth is what they believe it to be. It doesn’t require reality or facts: it is subjective. Anything that doesn’t fit that image of Truth is ignored – even if it is facts and reality. Further, it is taught: “There is no such thing as black or white. All things are shades of gray!”

            On a poll in college a few years ago, one question asked if Hitler was evil. Many of the students all insisted that evil did not exist so he couldn’t be evil. They would need to know his motives first to make the decision.

          • Tinwarble

            45caliber is right on the mark. If you want to know how a progressive thinks, watch this:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

          • Jana

            45C,
            We have even read that very sentiment, that she (Kaorlyn) only sees shades of gray, not black and white, and we see what kind of misguided person she is. Sweet as she can be, but very misguided.

          • Christin

            Tinwarble,

            Wow, that web site you posted was great on how a progressive thinks.

            The speaker explains very clearly why and how people have a Liberal mindset and why they can not function in reality… to be able to differentiate and discriminate behaviors that are right vs wrong, good vs evil, better vs worst, and success vs failure.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

            Thanks so much for posting it… hope more of you will watch the you tube video.

          • Karolyn

            Jana – I feel like you’re speaking of me as a child, calling me “misguided.” I might say the same for you. I know you will never understand the point I am always trying to make because you will never do any “seeking” (as in finding the real meaning of life and my purpose in it) via reading the materials of people other than those who feel the same way you do. I also question the remarks of those here who portray college as a training ground for liberals. Any good teacher will give the unbiased view of the subject matter. I’m attending a small 2-yr college right now; and though my Sociology instructor has a couple of Ph.d’s, he is in no way, shape or form biased in either direction. What a good teacher does is open a person’s mind to the possibilities that exist, whatever they may be, and let them make up their own mind. In my opinion, sheeple are closed-minded people who have tunnel vision. I have often mentioned in these discussions the fact that my eyes have been opened more than they were by some of the discourse on this site. However, when confronted with being treated like stupid, uneducated vermin (as does happen here), one is totally pushed to the opposite direction. And, yes, I do see in shades of gray. That is what makes a fair and balanced person – seeing both sides and evaluating what is seen and heard using whatever methods a person has learned. Thanks for saying I’m sweet, though. :-)

          • Tinwarble

            Karolyn,

            To say that you are “misguided” is not to speak to you as a child, but is to say that you have had your opinions influenced by those who haven’t a clue as to what the truth is. Those such as your Sociology teacher, who even though I don’t know the person, is probably like many Sociology professors and think that the belief in GOD is some sort of mass delusion.
            You accuse others of not reading the other side of things from those you would consider “free” or “enlightened” thinkers. Well, I can say that I have, at least as much as anyone with any amount of intelligence can stomach writings based on partial & inconclusive theories, by authors who seem to need to verify their own existence by disproving the existence of the Divine Creator. These so called “free” thinkers of yours are no more than people that can’t function in a normal society & would call their mental instability, “logic”. People who either think that they are “god”, think that a spaceship is going to come and take them away or are, or have been influenced by child molesters. And your accusations fall short, since it fairly apparent that you have not done the same as you ask others to do. But if you would like to be honest you can start here: http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/index.html
            You may learn a thing or two. Perhaps you might read the writings of Ben Franklin who told Thomas Paine: “If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it.” in response to reading Paine’s “Age of Reason” before he published it. Maybe you should read Johnathan Wells or Alister McGrath who debunks the atheist Richard Dawkins. In truth, it is not the right that doesn’t know anything about the so called “free” thinkers that you hold up on high, since if we have not learned of them out of intellectual curiosity, there have been attempts to indoctrinate us with those views in schools or by other means. It is rather those such as yourself who have not read the arguments on the other side of those who’s views you seem to hold dear.

          • usmadgirl

            Jana,

            No truer words were ever spoken! Several years ago, I said to a black friend that I’d tried to bring my sons up to not be racist; so maybe their generation would be better. He said, “No, they won’t, because there are too many racist blacks (but not the word he used)”! I was shocked!

            I haven’t done anything to anyone so I’ve never felt “guilty” myself. I’ve felt horrible for the way they were treated, but I resent being called names just because I’m white & I don’t like the fact that being a “minority” is used for the excuse to get away with anything!

            I also think the “hate crimes bill” is just another excuse to excoriate the white man even more severely. If you’re not a minority or gay, you’re screwed! A crime against another human being is a hate crime! I don’t care who it’s against. Why is it worse against one kind of human than another? I guess we now have “degrees of humanity”! And the only reason this abomination passed was because it was in the same bill to fund the troops. Otherwise, it probably wouldn’t have passed! I also thought we were supposed to be on our way to “equality” not just switching places!

          • Jana

            usmadgirl.
            I agree, a hate crime is a crime no matter who is doing it. Someone that would hurt or pick on someone because they are different, or because they don’t like the way they look, or the color of their skin is a bully, plain and simple. The same goes for someone who would CLAIM racism because they didn’t get their way, is also a bully. Calling out the very word ‘racism’ has become a quick way for a person to get their own way, instead of using their merrits.
            Since Obama has been in office our country has become more racially divided than ever. How sad. He could have done this one thing right during his presidency and had a great legacy. Instead he has promoted racism. Even right now he is out on the ‘campaign trail’ (has he ever left it?) and still working the people up using racism.
            If his policies were right for this country I wouldn’t care if he were green, but as it is, he is wrong for the country, he is inept at best to have even applied for this job.

        • DaveH

          Doc,
          You need to listen more to the speeches given at the NAACP if you want to experience real racism.
          Here’s just one example:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXYYHWQ3ev4

          • JeffH

            DaveH, what a joke huh?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Dave_ whats really ironic, is the NAACP had its beginnings by three Jewish men!

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. That video has been debunked time and time again and ol’ Jeff H. knows that too. She was telling a story and using it as a metaphor to stop racism. The right is always twisting the truth and especially on some of these videos. Since you still are pushing you’re distortions and Ben Crystal keeps egging you on with phony diatrabe then that makes you all wingnuts.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, the village idiot, has spoken once more. She said it and she meant it. That video has not been “debunked” at all.

            Matt Lewis from AOL News chatted with Breitbart about the controversial Sherrod video.

            Q: Do you feel like you made a mistake by rushing to get the Shirley Sherrod video out too soon, though?

            A: It had to be done at the exact moment in time that the press would notice it. . . . I grant her that she had her redemptive transformation. I said that her humanity caused her to help the farmer, and that it’s not just about race.

            Notice how the press conspicuously ignores that.

            It’s in the video and it’s in the text [of Breitbart's original post on the topic]. Who is doing the selective editing here? This is about destroying me. This is about the NAACP, but they’ve made it about me versus her. This is about exposing the Democratic Party and the progressive strategy of framing opposition to the Democratic Party agenda as racist.

            Q: So you don’t regret how the Shirley Sherrod video story played out?

            A: The only regret I have is that the NAACP had the video and didn’t look at it. And the White House went after Shirley and could have looked at the video — and read my piece — and said that she had a transformation . . . But the NAACP and the White House are the ones who rushed to judgment. The reason the press refuses to explore the possibilities behind why the USDA and the White House moved so swiftly to ‘can’ Shirley — Congressman Steve King points to the Pigford settlement [of a discrimination suit against the Department of Agriculture], and Shirley Sherrod’s involvement in it. There are major allegations of monumental fraud there. The last thing the administration wants is an investigation into Pigford.

            Q: Anything else folks should know about this or about Andrew Breitbart?

            A: Believe it or not, one of my primary motives on this planet is to stop this racism, and to stop the Democratic Party’s use of race that divides us intentionally. Google me and Clarence Thomas. I went from left to right because I watched this tactic happen to him and I aligned myself with black conservatives. Free thinkers recognize the Democratic Party will do or say anything to instill fear into black Democratic voters. . . . Shirley Sherrod in that video said those who disagree with Obamacare are coming from a racist point of view. That is a troubling racist sentiment.
            http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07/24/five-minutes-with-andrew-breitbart/

          • Tinwarble

            Well eddie, how about this from another Sherrod.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNtuC1Vbilo

          • eddie47d

            Jeff; You’re still a bigger village idiot in defending Breitbart and his cheesy ploys. Wrong is wrong no matter how many times he tries to paint it over. I hope Shirley sues the pants off of that carpetbagger.So go peddle your swill to someone else.

          • eddie47d

            Tinear;That’s pretty darn tame. I bet you vote for your best interest too! That’s really nothing compared to what comes out of the mouths of kkkers’.Come back when you have something important “to expose”.

          • Tinwarble

            Oh, edith, your just the most clever girl at the ball aren’t you. Yes, your right, that is pretty tame for a liberal. I mean what did he say other that he wants to keep “white men & Uncle Tom’s from stealing our election”. I guess that it is in their best interest to call conservative blacks, who don’t fall into lock step with the liberal blacks, “Uncle Tom’s”. And apparently those that use “Uncle Tom” as a derogatory term, have never read a book before, or they would know that Harriet Beecher Stowe meant Uncle Tom as a black hero, who took a terrible beating for other slaves. But I guess from your point of view, anything coming from the the left is pretty tame.

            And if you want to do some comparisons to what comes out of the mouth of the kkk, then how about you go take a look at what has come out of the mouth of groups like the Black Panthers or from Lewis Farrakhan & the members of the Nation of Islam, or how about the racist, anti-American rhetoric coming from the mouth of Jeremiah Wright. But this is not the point anyway, like a liberal you try to turn the conversation on it’s head, because the majority on the the right do not condone racism no matter what side it comes from. The point is, though, those that are the first to yell “racism” are guilty of it themselves. And the point is also, that the use of the NAACK acronym is not a racist statement, but a comment on the FACT that the NAACP does defend convicted cop killers, a fact which can’t be denied.

        • Vigilant

          “Doc:”

          Are you a psychiatrist?

          Some day, when you have the stones, you’ll finally answer my inquiry into your creds, if any.

          • Jana

            Vigilant,
            He problably just has a Doctorate after his name. Could even be a Doctor of the study of bugs. Since he won’t answer he is probably ashamed of it, and if he tries to answer now, he could make anything up that he wants. He could CLAIM that he was the greatest Doctor of all times. Just watch, if he does try and answer it will be something that is very very great.

          • Vigilant

            Thank you Jana,

            What’s up, “Doc,” we’re still waiting….

          • Mike In MI

            Vigilant – RE: Doc S. being a psychiatrist -

            Naw, if it is a “doc” it’s more on the order of the “doctors” who fought and resisted Ignaz Semmelweis over the issue that they were causing their obstetrical patients to get sick and die because they wouldn’t wash their hands between patients. In spite of overwhelming evidence that they were killing moms and babies they called Semmelweis crazy. They refused to change what they thought was “the way it is done” and had Semmelweis put in an asylum.
            Sarvis is like those Obstetricians. He’s sane and anything differing is stupid. That’s the kind of “Doc” he is.

      • Al Sieber

        TIME, Doc is a Proctologist, he has his head up his as$.

        • BrotherPatriot

          *snickers*

          He’s not alone in that ANALogy.

          • Mike In MI

            BroPat – yeah, there’s probably a whole crowd of them up there like flies on a horse’s butt.

        • Vigilant

          His or Obama’s?

      • JeffH

        Since most “liberals” would jump to defend the people who made the following quotes, is there any reason not to call those “liberals” what they are: racists?

        MARIO OBLEDO – (1998 Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient and former head of Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund – MALDEF) “California is going to be a Mexican state, we are going to control all the institutions. If people don’t like it they should leave.”

        ART TORRES (former chairman, California Democratic Party) – “Remember, [Proposition] 187 [the measure to cut public benefits to illegal aliens] is the last gasp of white America.”

        GUS SAVAGE (former U.S. Representative from Chicago to a white member of the press) “I don’t talk to you white motherf******. You bitch motherf****** in the white press. F*** you, you motherf***ing assh*** white devils.”

        “We are pioneers. We might as well be in covered wagons because 10 years from now, this state is brown,” said Rep. William Delgado (D-Chicago).

        “. . . we have to fight for our race, we have to find the leaders who represent us.” — George P. Bush

        “We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country.I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, ‘I’m going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back.’” — Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor

        “They’re afraid we’re going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They’re right. We will take them over. . We are here to stay.” — Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council

        The next time a “liberal” starts the standard “racist conservatives” BS, send them this link. If they mean what they say, they’ll attempt to drive people like Obledo and Torres out of their party.
        http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/002546.html

        • JeffH

          Don’t worry Doc, we’ve got your back…

          Expressions of Ethnic Animosity
          GUS SAVAGE (former U.S. Representative from Chicago to a white member of the press) “I don’t talk to you white motherf— .… You bitch motherf— in the white press…. F— you, you motherf—ing assh— … white devils.” [Marilyn Rauber, "Reporter Says Black Rep Hurled Racial Slurs," New York Post, June 27, 1991, p. 18.]

          MARY FRANCES BERRY (current head of U.S. Commission on Civil Rights)—”Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them.” [Civil Rights Under Reagan, San Francisco, ICS Press, 1991, p. 141.]

          SUPREME COURT JUSTICE THURGOOD MARSHALL (in a conversation with Justice William Douglas about racial preferences) “You guys have been practicing discrimination for years. Now it is our turn.” [William O. Douglas, The Court Years 1939-1975, New York, Random House, 1980.]

          SISTER SOULJAH (rap artist and black activist) “If black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people.” [R.W. Apple "Jackson Sees 'Character Flaw' in Clinton's Remarks on Racism, New York Times, June 19, 1992.]
          http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=22185

          • JC

            I’m tirewd of being called a racist by these…”professional racists”.
            How about you Jeff? Had enough yet?

          • JeffH

            JC, I have been tired of it for most of my life.

          • BrotherPatriot

            *holds up hand*

            (Horshack like…(for those of you who remember “Welcome back Kotter”.))

            hehe…Good morning, guyz…

          • Christin

            Brother Patriot,

            You forgot the “ooo, ooo, ooo” with your raised hand!

            Thanks for the afternoon smile.

            I’m tired of libelist labels of racism, too.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Christin…noperz…didn’t forget…it was covered in the…

            “Horshack like”

            part of my comment. Still, glad you got a smile. I did sumtin good today! Made someone smile.
            :D

          • usmadgirl

            JeffH,

            This article is frightening. I can’t imagine having that much unrelenting hatred in my heart for anyone, especially because of their skin color! These people are dangerously evil!

            Those who are performing to ANY audience should NOT be! Those who are teachers or professors should NOT be teaching impressionable students of any age. Those who are supposed to be “representing” us politically should NOT have a part in our government! And we wonder what’s wrong with our country? duh!

    • William

      but a very accurate way doc,

      • Doc Sarvis

        How can you say his statement is accurate? It is absoulutly NOT.

    • http://naver samurai

      Whhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

      • Kate8

        samurai – Don’t you just love it.

        When they have no argument, they reliably pull the race/victim card.

        Double whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

        • http://naver samurai

          That’s so true! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • dan az

            I confess to all that I am a progressive liberal bigit!Sorry to offend you but thats the way I am.

    • Mick

      Doc Sarvis says:
      October 7, 2010 at 9:33 am
      Shame on you Mr. Crystal for the following statement;”the artists formerly known as the NAACP (more accurately acronymed the NAACK — National Association for the Advancement of Cop Killers)”. People on this site claim I bring up the race card and I do only when it is appropriate to point out other people’s harmful views. You brought race up in this statement in a very hateful way.
      ******************************”
      Oh! get over yourself Doc,, people are totally fed up with the race card, it seems as the only people allowed to say what they want now days are the very people accusing others of racism…
      With people such as yourelf around, if one wasn’t racist in the past one would likely become racist after your constant harping on the subject…

      • Doc Sarvis

        I’m not the one who brought it up, Mr. Crystal did in his article. I suppose folks on this site are okay with racist comments being thrown about without challenge. In America we should be FAR better than that.

        • bruce d.

          Doc Sarvis you are nothing more than a race baiter. You along with the left use race as a weapon to get votes. Blacks would be better served if they followed Bill Cosby’s advise. He doesn’t charge any money for it. Sharpton, Jackson, and the NACP get paid well to keep black’s victims. It plays well to the liberal race card political machine. Do not expect anyone here to fall for your nonesense Doc Sarvis. You should be ashamed of your self for promoting racial hatred for votes by race baiting along with Sharpton and the others.

          • s c

            Bruce D, there is a world of difference between people like Jackson and Sharpton and real role models like Bill Cosby. Cosby is educated. Jackson and Sharpton are uneducated pretenders.
            Cosby knows the difference between up and down. Jackson and Sharpton are overpaid kooks who think they are ‘elites.’ Cosby knows from experience that political ‘friends’ are anything but friends. Jackson and Sharpton would be invisible if they didn’t suck up to politicians.
            MLK’s message is wasted on people like Jackson and Sharpton. With Bill Cosby, MLK’s message is real, and he is proof that he cares about making MLK’s legacy a reality. Jackson and Sharpton are clowns whose reputations are living on borrowed time.

          • BrotherPatriot

            Love Bill Cosby. He’s a man…he has made a mistake or two in his life…but he does have a firm grasp upon what is important, moral & right overall…not to mention knowing what’s wrong with this country.

            I’m sorry for the loss of his son and only wish him well in these golden years of his life.

            Thank you, Mr. Cosby for all the good you have done & tried to do in this life. It far out weighs any negative, for sure.

            God Bless you good sir.

        • Mick

          Doc Sarvis says:
          October 7, 2010 at 10:11 am
          I’m not the one who brought it up, Mr. Crystal did in his article. I suppose folks on this site are okay with racist comments being thrown about without challenge. In America we should be FAR better than that.
          *************************************
          Doc,, What exactly do you consider to be a racist comment in this article ??
          My sensitivity must be out of whack not to be able to find it……….

          • Doc Sarvis

            If you don’t see it then I would question not only your sensitivity but your intellegence as well.

          • Mick

            Doc Sarvis says:
            October 7, 2010 at 10:33 am
            If you don’t see it then I would question not only your sensitivity but your intellegence as well.
            *************************************
            Come on Doc….let’s have it,,,,,Show us the phrase in the article that got you so upset, you see racism, show us !

          • Kinetic1

            For Heaven’s sake Mick, he already did!
            “more accurately acronymed the NAACK — National Association for the Advancement of Cop Killers”
            Do you think it’s acceptable to label an organization like this? We’re not talking about the Black Panthers here. How would you fell if someone referred to the Christian Coalition as the Krazy Khristian Koalition? It’s simply racist to paint a group dedicated to equal rights for African Americans as a group of Cop Killers. Are we to assume that only black people kill our police? Humor is one thing, and a joke based on stereotypes can sometimes be funny, but there is a line that shouldn’t be crossed, even among friends.

          • DaveH

            You want to see Racism, Doc? Watch this video:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6QKcARdl2w

          • DaveH

            Who is more racist? Blacks or Whites?
            http://www.bestandworst.com/r/104739.htm

          • JeffH

            Mick, I’m in complete agreement with you. Where is the “racist” comment?

            Doc & Kinetic1…you’re acting like a clowns! NAACK? Racist comment? Only a liberal hack could read racism into a comment like that! By the way, the NAACP should take a long hard look in the mirror.

          • Kate8

            JeffH, It’s true. Liberals seem to see racism everywhere. We can’t just all be people. Everything has an implication.

            Projections from their own hearts.

          • eddie47d

            Kinetic made a good point about the “kkk” but I know that went over your heads. When the shoe is on the other foot you do a lot of duck and cover also. Since Dave H. wants to keep bringing up “racist” videos maybe he should be suspect. Don’t worry Dave, Ben Crystal has you beat by a long shot so I hope you are not trying to close in on his title.

          • Tinwarble

            Actually, the NAACK comment is because the NAACP defends Cop Killers. Or is it that you haven’t seen the stories like this:
            http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,527944,00.html
            (By the way, FOX haters, this story is everywhere)

            Or how about their defense of Mumia Abu-Jamal who killed police officer Daniel Faulkner in 1981 or of other so called “political prisoners”. This is were they earn the moniker NAACK & in no way is the same a using one acronym to describe some other organization.

          • Tinwarble

            Oh, and Doc, the NAACK comment was due to the fact that the NAACP is for the “Advancement” of the release of convicted “Cop Killers”, not that it’s members are cop killers. Perhaps if you did a little research on the organization that you are willing to defend, you would have come to that conclusion rather than jumping to the conclusion that Mr. Crystal was making a comment based on race.

            So yes, it was you that jumped on the race card bandwagon, rather than seeing that it was a play on words due to the facts.

          • eddie47d

            Tinwarble; Too many Americans are put in jails for crimes they did not do. In the case of Troy Davis it sounds like “any black man will do”. Convict someone whether the facts are there or not. That’s not the way our justice system should work so it has little to do with you’re cop killer moniker.

          • Tinwarble

            And I guess, eddie, you think that terrorist are really “freedom fighters”. You would see the few people that have been convicted erroneously, and make it into a majority. What about the same amount that should go to jail, but get off on some technicality. No, our justice system may not be perfect but it is still the best in the world. And who are you to say what the facts are, were you there? Troy Davis has had more than one chance to prove his innocence, & yet the court has still said he was guilty.
            And what about Mumia Abu-Jamal or the other so called “Political Prisoners” that the NAACP are willing to defend. No, I think the acronym of NAACK fits them pretty well, since they are more interested in defending black people more than they are seeing justice served. Just as was done with Twana Brawley & the Duke Lacrosse players, jumping on to defend the black person without any of the facts.

    • JC

      Doc, you may or may not have a valid point there. But I hope you’re not failing to see the underlying message…we, the conservatives are tired of having a cancerous political correctness shoved down our throats and told to like it. We’re done. So what you’re witnessing is a backlash. Get used to it because it’s going to become a great deal more pronounced over the next few years. Maybe now is a good time for you to relocate to a more socialistic society, because America is retuning to American values. And with a little luck we can return to a nation of tolerance and justice without the professional race baiters…like the NAACP.

      • http://yahoo Robert

        When it becomes more pronounced, I will not be on your side. Do you want to start now?

        • JC

          I don’t know who you are or what you stand for.
          Either your on the side of American values or you aren’t, your call.

        • http://naver samurai

          Are you too confused to answer the questions you were asked? Just another coward and traitor we have to deal with. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • BrotherPatriot

        Whoo Yaahh…on the America is returning to American values!

        ^^ Wh00t ^^

    • Craig

      WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Doc Sarvis

        Now there is an original thought.

        • Kate8

          Doc, Way more original than the ones you’ve had.

          • http://naver samurai

            The Doc, think?

    • alpha-lemming

      I’ll agree with you on the questionable joke… but with an addendum. The following is aimed SPECFICALLY at this organization and NOT all Blacks.

      Good humor MUST have an element of truth to be funny and there’s no denying that some percentage of “NAACK” members fall into Mr. Crystals’ acronym. However, as a good will “olive branch”… you may like this… AND striving more accuracy when describing the organization in blanket terms… might I suggest the following acronym.

      “N”egros “A”re “A”ctually “C”olored “K”ommunists

      Please accept this in the good will it was intended and in better keeping with the “spirit” of 10-2-10.

    • 45caliber

      Doc:

      I certainly don’t see where you got the “racist” idea. The NAACP is NOT all colored people as their name suggests. It is simply a group that pushes it’s political agenda – similar to any other group that does the same. And one of the points of their agenda is to back any black person who kills a cop. Therefore the name is justified.

    • libertytrain

      Doc – I’m sorry – it may have been a bit comical very similar to the statements you hear from the leftist comedians – but try as I might, I didn’t see anything racist in the acronym he created.

    • JeffH

      Now who are the real “hate” speakers?
      Liberal Hate Caught red handed with hate speech towards FreedomWorks
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wc-I_j68Ws

      • DaveH

        Good one, JeffH.

    • American Citizen

      Why is it any time someone tells the truth about anybody or organization that is black, they call it hate speech or racism? A lot of black people would agree with him.

  • Esther Phillips

    i love Ron Paul and the original Tea Party. i am a constitutionalist libertarian. But any Tea Party gathering with Sarah Palin or the support by or for her is doomed…and don’even get me started on that Judas Iscariot, Glenn Beck…come on Tea Partiers, shake off the neo-con fleas and focus on the ISSUES and abandon the rhetoric

    • William

      esther you need to lay off the koolaid,

    • a grandma

      If it weren’t for GB and SP and now many others, the Tea partiers : (common US citizens who had been lulled over 50 years into thinking that most of our representatives and presidents and senators believed in and were following the constitution) would still be sleeping and have no Idea that WE THE PEOPLE needeed to get our butts in gear and take seriously the responsibility that our constitution requires those who wish to be free, to learn and live. If teaching us the principles and values that this unique and God inspired form of government was founded on makes GB a JUDAS ISCARIOT, lets at least wait till we see the evidence of his betrayal and the failure of those principles. What he is now so nobly doing, at great personal risk, to help us have the courage and knowledge we need to save our country, is to be praised not denigrated.

      • Al Sieber

        a grandma, I agree with you, let’s wait and see.

      • Christin

        If anyone is a Judas would it not be BO who refuses not once, but to date… twice, refusing to say: …our inalienable rights are endowed “by our Creator”…

      • usmadgirl

        a grandma,

        Thank you for your comment that is correct to the letter!

        I’m sick of Sarah & Glenn bashing! I guess Glenn tells us to NEVER TAKE HIS WORD ON ANYTHING, to do our own research for the truth, because he “tells lies” all the time. Everything he’s told us has happened & still people think he’s a loon! I guess they don’t believe the proof he gets straight from the “jackasses” mouths! Glenn is completely opposite of Judas! He’s the only one telling the “whole truth”! Until Glenn, I didn’t know the evil people who are running (ruining) our country even existed in this country. I have a friend that can’t watch him anymore because she said that everything he says is going to happen, happens!

        I actually trusted our leaders to follow the Constitution & always do the right thing. I thought the oath they took to do so actually meant something!

        This administration has awakened me to a whole new world! I did NOT vote for O’Dumbo because I DID listen to what he called “Hope” & “Change” & “fundamentally transforming the United States of America”. I read between his “lines” & KNEW this country didn’t need to be “transformed”…transformed to WHAT, was my question? He said this was the “greatest country in the world” so let’s change everything about it! It would take a complete moron to not question that! He NEVER fooled me! You have to listen to what they say, NOT what you want to hear or THINK they’re saying!

    • Reggie Brian

      Esther, please remember that we are not searching for a perfect candidate, such as a messiah, to tell us what to do. We only want someone to represent us and do what we (“the people”) tell him or her to do.

      It could be that simple: “do you solemnly swear to do what the voters tell you to do? YES OR NO” And if they say ‘no’ then we say “thanks, now go back home”. If they say ‘yes’ and then do not, we say ‘thanks, now go back home.”

      Any other side issues about religion or good looks or age or red herrings are irrelevant and only serve to distract.

      • Mick

        Reggie Brian says:
        October 7, 2010 at 10:15 am
        Esther, please remember that we are not searching for a perfect candidate, such as a messiah, to tell us what to do. We only want someone to represent us and do what we (“the people”) tell him or her to do.

        It could be that simple: “do you solemnly swear to do what the voters tell you to do? YES OR NO” And if they say ‘no’ then we say “thanks, now go back home”. If they say ‘yes’ and then do not, we say ‘thanks, now go back home.”

        Any other side issues about religion or good looks or age or red herrings are irrelevant and only serve to distract.
        *****************************************
        VERY GOOD Reggie !!!But These other issues you’re referring to have been used to confuse the public,,,
        If it was as simple as you put it above the citizens would be able to understand exactly what’s going on and our politicians wouldn’t be able to dupe and manipulate us as they have been doing for decades especially the left, they have the patent on manipulation.

        • Vigilant

          All well and good, but show me one politician who honors a solemn oath. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, McCain, Snow, Collins, a hundred others and the whole left half of the SCOTUS took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution with their fingers crossed.

          • Kate8

            Vig – There truly IS NO honor among thieves…or politicians.

    • bruce d.

      Esther Phillips get lost. The constitution and the country is better served without people like you who want to divide and conquer. If you are against Glen Beck you are an infiltrator. He has your number and he is not letting go.

      • bruce d.

        People know Ron Paul and the Libertarians do not have the numbers to make things happen. Many liberals talk about loving Ron Paul but hating everyone else. It is just a cheap ploy to split the votes and the unity.

        • DaveH

          But what is a person to do? Vote for Republicans that say they are for Freedom when in reality that Freedom is only good if you do things their way?
          Libertarians may not have the numbers, but they do have the principles. I can’t say that for most Republicans who don’t shy from forcing their way on others. And need I even mention Democrats? When you vote for the lesser of two evils, you still just get evil.
          Libertarians offer the only real Freedom. That is the Freedom to control your own body and your own property your own way as long as you don’t trespass on the bodies and properties of others.
          We don’t dictate to others how they should live their lives. Nor do we allow those who made those free choices to ride on the unwilling shoulders of others when those choices turn out to be mistaken.
          The two major parties only give lip service to the word “Freedom”. But they both love Big Government, they just have different agendas to force down our throats.
          Our numbers are small only because the MSM has worked in conjunction with the Democrats and the Republicans to deny us a forum. But now, thanks to FOX, people like John Stossel and Judge Napolitano are getting the word out. It is just a matter of time before good Americans become familiar with our Principles and start joining our ranks.

          http://libertarianparty.org/platform

          • JeffH

            Two of the best shows and hosts on FOX.

          • Warrior

            The goal is to eventually isolate the progressives so they can be eradicated. I will not vote for ANY demorat, even for dog catcher. If there are any democrats that have a thread of common sense and personal honor, they should begin to distance themselves from the party radicals and either turn to the repubs or tea party. Progressive repubs shall be flushed out as well.

            I say it’s open season on progressive communists!

          • eddie47d

            Warrior; Another righty who can’t stand a progressives opinion and that we need to be eradicated. Jack Abramhoff made that same statement in 1983 while working for Reagan. “our job is to remove them from power permanently” Jack supported the Sudanese government and was paid to tell the American people what a wonderful country Sudan was. All the while that same government was eradicating it’s citizens in the Darfur region. Abramhoff is still in prison for fraud,conspiracy and tax evasion. (will be released Dec 4th). Maybe he’ll go back to rippng off Indian tribes.

          • Tinwarble

            eddie47,

            You’re wrong, it’s not the opinions of progressives that we can’t stand, but rather your agenda.

            And removing progressives from “POWER permanently” is a long way off from eradicating them. I would have to disagree with Warrior though, and believe eradicating progressives is a little harsh. But I do think that all the progressives should be put on an island and see how long it takes, with no military, forced Health Care, forced enviromentalism, and the sharing of wealth, for all of you to come crying to be let back in to the country with all of us “righties” with our capitalist system & our Constitution with it’s “Negative Rights”.

          • eddie47d

            Oh Please Tinwarble don’t be blessing me with anymore of you’re so called rights.I stand beside those who are getting screwed and you can stand beside those who are doing the screwing.(corporate thieves).

          • Tinwarble

            So, eddie, are you talking about those same “corporate thieves” that fund all those liberal agenda’s that you so love. Are you talking about the “corporate thieves”, that even though liberal’s condemn them, support liberal causes like Health Care, green energy, & spreading the wealth? The same “corporate thieves” that Obama condemns publicly, and then takes money from to further his liberal agenda on the same day.

            And, if you don’t want the rights & protections that the Constitution offers, then quite frankly that’s fine with me. So, why don’t you move to somewhere like China, since they already have the system that you long for. You see, that is what is so great about our country & the liberties protected by the Constitution, because if you don’t like this country, you are free to pack up all your stuff and move somewhere else.

    • JKO

      And what is great about Beck, Esther, is that he is OK with you speaking this way. It was from Beck and only Beck that I even heard of 10 2 10. He was all for them having a successful rally.

      His point is first get back to God and then back to the values of this nation. States rights, govt. by and for THE PEOPLE… even those who disagree.

    • DaveH

      Esther,
      Why do you believe that Glenn Beck is a “Judas Iscariot”?

    • American Citizen

      Esther, you need to take the blinders off.

  • a grandma

    Yes , these ARE domestic enemies and they need to be countered by informed brave domestic patriots. are you ready to join me when we need to Go to the steps of the congress or our state capitol?
    every day I feel that time is getting shorter and peaceful purposeful sit ins or mass demonstrations are getting to be the only option. Violence is NOT an option.
    I have hope in the election, BUT feel a need to have a plan B in place.

  • J S

    - Is Napolitano deporting illegal aliens hired by Unions to swell the “ONE NATION WORKING TOGETHER” crowds?
    - Is she simply targeting SOME businesses like McDonalds but not Jack in the Box?
    - Is she giving waivers to Unions hiring illegal aliens to swell Democrat political rallies and picket other than Democrat candidates?
    - Is the Administration’s party fast becoming the party of UNFAIR?

    • eddie47d

      Naw, The Republican Party took that title decades ago!

  • ThinkN-Do

    Wow, some scary stuff here. But the minute I first listened to the opening lines of GB’s (coincidence, GB?) intended rally at the Lincoln Memorial I said to myself: The Return of the Crusades. Some of the commentary here leans directly that way. I knew GB looked like a ZEALOT and he is.

    One day there will actually be understanding and acceptance spread and shared throughout this nation. One day we will get it right. We aren’t even close and GB’s not on the right path either. But that’s okay, one day we will make history, rather than repeating it. Till then, may we all learn to play honestly and safely together; accepting the differences of others while recognizing our own faults and focus on keeping our house clean.

    • Warrior

      Actually, GB has does have it right. Progressives must go.

      • Tinwarble

        ThinkN-Do-Do,

        First, your lack of knowledge of history is astounding. That you seem not to know what the Crusades where about only shows that you have no idea of what you talk about, but this is what you get when you learn a liberal revisionism of history.

        Second, how do you even come to the conclusion that the “Restoring Honor” rally is anything that comes close to the Crusades? How do you figure that asking people to turn to GOD is the same as armed soldiers fighting to take back a city that was stolen? With this mindset, I suppose you would then compare the Crusades with what Ghandi did, even though one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

        This is how liberal progressives think, to take something they can’t or will not understand and compare it to some of the worst things that have ever happened, like Nazism or with something that they have no understanding of at all, like the Crusades, so it has to be something bad. Instead of learning something for themselves they take excerpts from other liberals, regurgitating their ideals, never learning anything for themselves.

        • Karolyn

          I just zeroed in on the word “Nazism” because so often I see liberals put in that light by posters to this site. So, you see, it goes both ways, which so many people here fail to comprehend.

          • Tinwarble

            Karolyn,

            Well, I know that you are trying to say something, just not sure what that something is. If it was that I was comparing anyone to Nazi’s then you did not read the post. It was not that I compared anyone with Nazism, but rather a statement of fact that Liberals compare anyone that doesn’t agree with them to Nazi’s. That you would say that “So, you see, it goes both ways” I would assume that you did not read my post and are more interested in “zeroing” in on a word, rather than comprehending what is said in a comment.

          • eddie47d

            Tinwarble; Nazi gets thrown around on this site by the righties on a weekly basis. So you are blowing more smoke.

          • Kate8

            Tinwarble, You are making some wonderful points, and I’ve enjoyed your posts.

            You are arguing with the current paid liberal posters, though, and they are incapable of comprehending what you are saying, anyway. They are only here to be disruptive and control the conversation. What they really do is show how upside-down and thoroughly indoctrinated they are.

            BTW, loved the video on how liberals think. Too bad they won’t watch it.

          • Kate8

            BTW, Tinwarble. Please check out the link on The Gods of the Copybook Headings. Kipling was warning us of the NWO and power elite,s plans and methods way back then. It’s an incredible read, and fairly short.

            http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm

          • Tinwarble

            Oh, edith, you are right, there are some on the right that use Nazi. My point, however, is that liberals use it just as they use “racist”, as their go to card.

            And there is also a difference in comparing the social policies of the Nazi’s (National Socialist) to comparing people to the racists ideology of the the Nazi’s, which always how it is used by liberals. After all the argument can be made that we already have our version of the Volkswagen (the people’s car), since the government still owns GM. And no, they didn’t pay all that money back since they took TARP money to payback their auto bailout.

          • usmadgirl

            Kate8,

            Thanks for sending this link to Tinwarble. I tried to get it after Glenn read part of it last week but our modem has been acting crazy & it wouldn’t come up. I hope Glenn’s OK! There’s no other person who “gets it” & will actually report it!

    • JC

      TnD, it will never happen with the progressive left. They can only work with race baiting, division and political correctness…all are communist tactics of divide and conquer rule.

    • Craig

      Liberals can never play honestly. Honesty is not in the DNA. Neither is honor, class, truthfulness or intelligence.

      • eddie47d

        Craig; What swill,we could say the same thing about you.

        • JeffH

          fast eddie, your problem is you can’t prove anything, and hide when asked to prove anything…speaking of swill, how’s it taste?

        • Karolyn

          eddie – The thing is they really cannot understand what we’re trying to say. It’s as though only a few words are picked out to respond to.

          • Tinwarble

            Yes, Karolyn, sort of like zeroing in on one word. Is that what you mean?

        • eddie47d

          Now there is an unintelligent answer by ..who else ..Jeff.

    • bruce d.

      I stand with Glen Beck. Also you lack knowledge of history. The Crusades came about after 450 years of Muslims plunder. The Europeans finaly got their act together to stop Muslim invaders from butchering and pundering.

      • Vigilant

        Yes, but it’s a shame that the new Muslim onslaught via immigration to Western Europe will ultimately result in the plunder and butchery they are so fond of.

    • thinking

      ThinkN, The problem is when Good men do nothing, evil will prosper. God says love your enemies, do not take on their ways. Evil will win if it is not confronted. That is why we are so under control of the government, people believed they are for us, when they are only in it for themselves. Obama has an agenda, it is to destroy America, we must stop him. God bless America!

    • Robert S

      By the time people learn the truth about Beck, Palin, Gingrich and the rest of the Neocon infiltrators it will be too late. Americans are so easily led.

      • Warrior

        I see, well, we already know the truth about Clintons; Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd, Boxer, et.: al.: their progressive marxists.

        • Robert S

          Warrior I’m talking about the Tea Parties. All politicians suck.

      • JeffH

        …I suppose you think it to be far better to follow the flock to the trough for a free meal and a free drink!

      • 45caliber

        You are right. All the liberal voters are proof of that.

      • Vigilant

        Robert S:

        I know you’re averse to the truth getting in the way of your comments, but kindly learn the difference between “neocon” and true conservativism.

        GWB and his pork barrel buddies in Congress were neocons. The ones you mentioned are true conservatives, and there’s a big difference.

    • Kate8

      ThinkN-Do – Your thinkn stupid.

      That is so moronic it’s hardly worth commenting, but I did, anyway.

      How is it that you lefties find the soul-less, anti-everything good and moral religion of secularism acceptable, but anyone of traditional values a crusading zealot?

      Seems Odumbo and all you lemmings have been on a major crusade to force your freedom and wealth stealing agenda on the majority of horrified Americans. You guys are always about FORCE.

      Who’s the scary one?

      • eddie47d

        We don’t know any Odumbo! We do have a President Obama as the nations leader.

        • Vigilant

          …and he’s leading us down the path to ignominy and destruction!

          Kate8: great comments. Hang in there!

        • Mike In MI

          Eddie47 -
          Show me his documentation and I will call him President O**** and leader of this great land – not until. Until that proof is revealed for all to see he is just another illegal alien, usurper, fraud and enemy embracing OPPRESSOR.

        • eddie47d

          “great comment” Kate 8. Not!! The wealth was stolen by all the pirates on Wall St. and the corporate hypocrites!

          • Kate8

            Yep, eddie, and Odumbo is right there helping them get whatever wealth we had left, funneling even more through bailouts and whatnot, and taking a nice chunk out for himself while he’s at it.

            The people who are really being hurt are the small business people who were barely squeaking a profit before. It has surely shut down my business, and I am no where near being wealthy.

            You libs are so blind and ingnorant. You can’t even see that the idiots you support are the elite of the elite, and they are raking in the big bucks in for themselves while they can. What they toss out to the ‘unwashed’ is only to buy their votes, knowing that they won’t look too deep into what’s really going on.

            When they’ve siezed total control and no longer need chumps like you…man, will you be in for a big surprise.

      • Jana

        Kate8,
        Good point!

      • ThinkN-Do

        Well K8ate – I am not a lefty nor a righty, and I also don’t go around calling peoples thoughts moronic or the people stupid.

        Based on some of your other comments here, I am sense that you think of yourself as a Christian, is that true?

        If so, maybe you should practice what the book teaches.

        One day you will realize there was a lot of truth in what I said. I didn’t go into great detail for specific reasons. And since I didn’t, you made a lot of assumptions about what I believe or follow. Wrong you were.

        Hope you had a wonderful day – I did.

        PS – I am a blue collar worker and I went to the shooting range after work.

        • Kate8

          ThinkN – I made no assumptions. I just responded to what you said.

          Christians don’t want to force anyone to believe anything. Love has to come from the heart. GB was talking about restoring honor, and it seems that without the understanding that we are governed by a Higher Intelligence few men care about honor. And greedy men will always hold themselves to lord over the masses.

          You also made assumptions about what I believe, which is also none of your business. What I DO believe in IS honor, the right of every person to make his own choices while respecting the rights of others, and the right to be free of oppressive forces of government or society.

          Apparently you find the fascism inflicted by the progressive agenda preferable to the promotion of traditional values. I will vote for liberty every time. Forcing acceptance of an agenda is never okay.

          • ThinkN-Do

            Apparently you are harboring a lot of anger, you really shouldn’t; it’s not good for the soul.

            Have a funderfull Friday – I know I will.

          • Mike In MI

            K88 -
            Don’t let his blather bother you. He couldn’t be much more wrong.
            And, he is evidently ignorant of the Bible, too.
            He seems to conveniently forget that BOTH Jesus Christ and John the Baptist called the Temple priests, Pharisees and Sadducees some of the most vile names you could use as references to one’s character and spiritual base.
            He’s deleting things from The Word. He’s got to deal with God about that.

          • eddie47d

            Mike; Jesus was rather angry at their lack of will in listening to the people on the “outside”. Demanding respect and tiths and delivering nothing. Kind of like all the corporate gouging we had here in America a few years ago. They took and we got left holding the bag.

          • Jana

            eddie47,
            Jesus was MAD because these supposed Levitical Priests had allowed others who were not true Levites to come into their midst and take over their Priestly duties. This was a charge given to the Levitical tribe, not anyone else. The Priests had gotten lazy and were no longer teaching the Truth They had denigrated the Temple and the Scriptures. They allowed the money changers to come in to make a profit, they had allowed people to sell sacrificial offerings right there inside the gates of the Temple. They were twisting the Truth. That is why Jesus was MAD.

            October 9, 2010 at 1:53 pm
            Mike; Jesus was rather angry at their lack of will in listening to the people on the “outside”. Demanding respect and tiths and delivering nothing. Kind of like all the corporate gouging we had here in America a few years ago. They took and we got left holding the bag.

      • ThinkN-Do

        PS – K8ate – here’s a little enlightenment on Secularism:

        Secularism draws its intellectual roots from Greek and Roman philosophers such as Marcus Aurelius and Epicurus, Enlightenment thinkers like Denis Diderot, Voltaire, John Locke, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, and Thomas Paine, and modern freethinkers, agnostics and atheists such as Bertrand Russell and Robert Ingersoll.

        THOMAS JEFFERSON? get outta here, one of the finest Founders in the minds of many citizens of the USA; including Conservatives.

        • Karolyn

          I do believe that therein lies the problem. It seems to me that conservatives are against free thinking despite what they say. If someone does not think as they do or believe in what they believe in, they dismiss them. It would be really interesting to find out if any Christians here have read anything by an atheist or free or “new” thinker (As in Neville Goddard, etc.). During my time as a professed Christian, I was afraid to read certain literature because people had convinced me that it was of the devil. I am so glad I have thrown off that dark blanket and been opened up to receiving new truths that have made my life all the better.

    • Vigilant

      ThinkN-Do:

      You said, “Till then, may we all learn to play honestly and safely together; accepting the differences of others while recognizing our own faults and focus on keeping our house clean.”

      It’s hard to accept the “differences of others” when they want to take away my hard-earned private property through confiscatory taxation, my personal liberties, and deny my children the priviledge of learning their US history.

      • 45caliber

        When the stated goal of the other side is to destroy you, it is hard to work out your differences peacefully, isn’t it.

        • Karolyn

          Nobody is out to destry you!

          • eddie47d

            Caliber gets into the silly season a lot lately. He ought to take the log out of his eye before he takes the splinter out of someone else’s eye.

      • Karolyn

        Then be more active. Go to Board of Education meetings and voice your concerns. It doesn’t do any good voicing them here.

    • DaveH

      That which you Hope and Dream for, ThinkN, will never happen. Human beings are and always will be diverse in their likes and dislikes. That is why Liberalism will never result in that peace which you seek. The Liberal One-Size just does not fit all. So the only way they can attempt to achieve that is through force (there goes your peace).
      Our Founders had the solution. That is to allow maximum freedom for people to choose their own paths as long as they didn’t encroach on the bodies and properties of others. Unfortunately, Controlling people rise to the top, and it wasn’t long before Government got on their natural Growth path and subverted what our Founders tried to guarantee through the Constitution.
      If you truly want peace, ThinkN, then you will side with those who let people make their own choices for their own lifestyles, and respect their legally acquired property. That isn’t the Democrat Party. That isn’t the Republican Party.

      • Kate8

        DaveH – Well said.

      • Karolyn

        I do not believe that force is in the definition of liberal. Hey, I’m learning a lot here, though; maybe I’m wrong. (I doubt it.) I alwlays thought that conservativism meant lack of change and keeping people where they are. I did like your post, though.

        • Kate8

          Karolyn, conservative refers to preserving the original intent of our founders in regard to our Constitutional Republic.

          Progressive refers to incrementally pushing in a different direction, toward a goal people won’t accept all at once. The boiled frog principle. It was the name for the early communist movement in America, and has been resurrected because of the taint on the term ‘liberal’.

          I guess they thought we wouldn’t remember.

    • American Citizen

      What’s your solution? The farther this country gets from God, the worse things are getting.

  • Ed

    Every war the United States fought in the 20th century was prosecuted under the auspices of defeating Fascism, Communism, Marxism; in short all forms of tyrannically inclined socialist government organizations.

    Now we have these very enemies in control of our government and making a mockery of America’s gigantic sacrifices in service of Freedom, Self Reliance, Honor and the defeat of Tyranny in all its forms around the world.

    May God’s curse be brought upon them all.

    WHAT AN UNMITIGATED TRAGEDY!

    • William

      AMEN Ed,

    • Mark

      Double Amen, Ed. Seems our next war could very easily be fought right here. I am not talking political shouting match war, I am talking blood. The very idiots that want to take our firearms away will send soldiers and arms to retreive the people that fight against them. I won’t need guns to kill these communists facists sobs. Pigs and Vodka and my bare hands.

      • 45caliber

        If each of us kills one of them before we go down, they will run out of men before we do. Nice, huh?

        • eddie47d

          Doesn’t want to destroy anyone? Yah,right!

    • Vigilant

      Ed:

      Great posting! Thank you.

    • JC

      That is a fact Ed. And now we have them in the White House.
      Sadly though, we’ve been getting it from both sides of the aisle…and mostly from the (privately owned – falsely named) Federal Reserve.

  • Don Jones ww2 vet

    I would like to make a prediction ! 10-7-10
    the elitists, Republican and Democrat control of congress
    will not change. they are in control and they are convinced
    no one but them are smart enough to run this country.
    We will see in the next eight years, a strong 3rd party develop
    and quietly take over the Government, or with the total resistance
    of the two party system will result in a violent revolution which
    will, but by the grace of God , will totally destroy our nation.
    the progressive element will be subdued and freedom will ring
    the new party will not be governed by the news media. the T
    candidates will be thoroughly screened , by the party and all
    information will be distributed my mail to the voters. the cost of
    election will be quite minimal. America Will Rise Again out of
    the Ashes of Political Greed. THAT WILL BE THE DAY
    and that is the way I see it

  • ThinkN-Do

    Some stuff that sounds good Don Jones ww2 Vet

  • Reggie Brian

    Something looks familiar here. Do you remember when Air America tried to imitate talk radio? They failed, because they were required to follow the rules of supply and demand.

    Now they tried to imitate Beck’s rally, and again required to follow those same rules. FAIL.

    I guess it is a recurring story, since they are currently trying to imitate a successful federal government. FAIL also because they are required to follow the rules (Constitution). At least for now…

    • Vigilant

      Amen Reggie! The Progressives fully believe in supply and demand: they demand and expect us to supply.

      • 45caliber

        Unfortunately, you are correct. And they can’t understand why we don’t want to.

        • Mike In MI

          45cal -
          Which is why they want our Bibles, Constitution, guns, health and property – primary weapons against the tyrrany which will become absolutely evident after they fool the foolish.

  • BrotherPatriot

    More of us…than them…

    Period.

    I’m so excited for November! We have to start somewhere and voting in Constitutional Conservatives is a great starting baby step towards bringing America back to the People.

    Oh, & some Democrat said recently that if they lose majority then our government will be tied up for the next 2 years in legal questions as investigations & subpeonas explore the lies that led us all into the messes that we are in (9/11, presidential elligability, black panther cover up, etc.). So what that tells me/us is that since it’s not convienyant to investigate the truth then it’s ok to keep the criminal activities hidden from the American People in which these crimes were commited…!!! Seriously, WTF!…what kind of mentality is that?!?! That comment from the far left shows the seriously flawed mentality of the people we have allowed to remain in power. They are sooo very out of touch with the People whom they serve. Enough…is enough.

    Fiscal responcibility, smaller government & free markets…!!!

    God Bless America!

    • 45caliber

      The real problem is that the progressives believe that any act is okay, even if it is criminal, as long as it achieves their goal. Therefore they will commit crimes – and when caught will do their best to hide them or ignore them or insist that it is okay since the other side does it too or …

      I think you can understand what I’m trying to say. Most of us, on the other hand, prefer to live honorably and follow the rules as much as possible. The Dems believe that we are stupid for following those rules (many of which come from the Bible) and therefore believe we ARE doing what they do – we just haven’t been caught at it. And when we do something, they always confuse our reasons since they simply can’t understand the real reasons we do it. After all, how can you understand honor when you have none of your own?

      • Kinetic1

        Iran Contra and eight years of the Bush administration and you think it’s progressives who “believe that any act is okay, even if it is criminal, as long as it achieves their goal”? Wake up, 45. You must have fallen asleep while watching Beck.

        • BrotherPatriot

          The Bush administration is as much to blame as the current…in this you are correct, Kinetic1. However, you can’t stop there…you have to research into the entire parts of the equation…not just one or two parts of the factors of that equation.

          Most of you know already where I am going with this…yep, that’s right…the equation runs directly (verified by the money trail) right smack into the NWO organizations and their Agenda. Its’ math…and it adds up. The CFR, Trilateral Commission, UN, Bilderbergs, Deep level Masons/Illuminati, controlled media, Hollywood all have the same connecting equation…the Rothschilds/Rockefellers/Bush, etc., families that are controlling our money supply…the Federal Reserve and who are pushing for a one world government. What is the common denominator in all this?…it has already been stated and if you understand this, it explains a great deal with why things are the way they are and have been and will always be unless we expose them and stop them. Period.

          I’m a Veteran. I’m an American Patriot and I’m calling it for what I believe to be true. My research has led me to this belief…I didn’t want to believe it…but History taught me all this from books from the library, from internet sources and from what the actions and voting history of our elected polititions have done. Anyone, ANYONE who is an elected official who wishes to take the guns from Americans is a traitor to the Constitution and needs to be immediately removed from office. I’m simply DONE with being a bystander and only because of my awakening have I become politically aware of all this. These people, who we assumed have America & the Constitution in our best interest have proven to be the opposite…no longer can Americans stand by and expect good from them…they have proven themselves enemies from within. Stand up for your rights or continue to watch them erode into nothing…

          God Bless.

          • JeffH

            BrotherPatriot, liberals like Kinetic1 are a dime a dozen…their “vision” is limited to the past and their inability to distinguish that Bush is not a whole lot different from Obama or the Clintons.
            Oh by the way, don’t you know that the NWO is a fabrication of the “conspiracy theorists” and George Soros is poor?

            Seriously, notice how the liberals don’t put up much of an arguement about the NWO/Rothschild anymore?

          • BrotherPatriot

            Yes, good sir. I have noticed.

            It’s hard to refute historical facts. They are freaked out that we are screaming in forums like this and they most likely are not sleeping well at nights. (Not that I can understand how they ever could when they go against God.)

            You guys who are posting…you know who you are :) make me feel warm & fuzy inside as I prepare to leave on my day knowing that you are out there also…fighting the good fight of America and calling the crimals out into the light of day/God.

            Thank you for the smiles and for your Patriotic service.

            God Bless you all.

          • Kinetic1

            It amazes me how you can feel good about painting Liberals with such a broad brush. How do you know my religious convictions? I can be a good, solid Christian and still defend the rights of other religions as guaranteed by our Constitution. I can question Glen Beck’s motives without being a communist. A recent poll by the Public Religion Research Institute and Religion News Service found that fewer than 20% of Americans felt Beck was the right man to lead a religious movement. Are the other 80%+ all godless heathens?

            If you want to make a point, fine. If you believe that the Illuminati are out to rule the world, that’s your choice. You can believe whatever you want based on your research, but you know little or nothing about my personal faith.

          • DaveH

            No doubt, BrotherPatriot, that there are many who think One-World-Government would solve our problems. That is indeed some major fantasizing, considering that a large portion of the population can’t even get along with their spouses, let alone the whole world of diverse ideas and cultures.
            Whether the Bilderbergs or anybody else is orchestrating such future really doesn’t matter if we just get Government back to its Constitutionally mandated size. Without power over the Marketplace through Government, those would-be conspirators would be powerless.
            Rather than concentrate on whose plotting what, especially since many people can’t grasp the conspiracy concepts, we should concentrate our efforts on shrinking the size of Government dramatically. We need to get Government back to its intended role of protecting people from the force of others, and a few other things such as coining money. We need to get Government out of the role of protecting people from themselves. And we need to get Government out of the role of protecting Countries of People from themselves.
            We also need to end that bullshit belief that it is okay for people in Government to break moral codes that the rest of us are compelled to obey, such as theft and murder.

          • Kate8

            JeffH, DaveH, BroPat – Did you hear? George Soros says he’s ‘comfortable being a god’. Apparently he’s nearly single-handedly collapsing governments and monetary systems for fun (according to himself), and really enjoying himself.

            And Kinetic, it’s not to difficult to grasp someone’s spiritual leanings by the philosophies he espouses and the powers with which he identifies.

            No true Christian could support this current movement. Or any corrupt government, for that matter.

          • Kinetic1

            And few on this site come off as “holier than thou” then you, Kate8.

          • 45caliber

            Kenetic:

            You said “I may be a good Christian …”

            But you didn’t say that about yourself, did you?

          • eddie47d

            Dave H; How can anyone “grasp the conspiracies theories” when there are so many out there? So many are false and blow with the wind.

          • JeffH

            Don’t you all just love it when a liberal gets “defensive”?

          • Kate8

            Kinetic, I suppose that’s better than coming off as stupid.

          • Vigilant

            Dave H:

            Your posting is one of the most lucid, common sense summaries I have ever seen on this site…and I don’t give compliments lavishly. Good Work!

          • Jana

            Wow Kinectic,
            What you spewed at Kate8 you have spewed at me before. Anytime someone calls you out for telling on yourself, you claim they think they are holier than thou. Well sir, you have told on yourself too many times. You can CLAIM anything you want, but we all know people by the fruit they bear and the things they say. We all know you very well.

          • Kinetic1

            45,
            Read my post again. I did not say “I may be a good Christian”, I said I CAN “be a good, solid Christian and still defend the rights of other religions…” If you, like Kate feel that you are the judges of other’s faith, then so be it, but don’t misquote me for proof.

          • Kinetic1

            Oh, I’m sorry Jana. I did not mean to leave you out of the judges pool. The truth and quality of my faith is between me and my God, just as it is for you and yours. I am not so much defensive as I am offended that you and others feel that you have the ability to see into other’s hearts and the right to judge them. I’d point you to scripture, but I’m certain that you know where you have failed.

          • Jana

            Kinectic,
            Oh we all know you are sorry Kinectic. However, you are right, I reread what you said and you didn’t claim to be a Christian, and I apologize to you for that. I never meant to offend you like that.

            You are a very good progressive liberal. Whatever you say is perfect and true and right. Congratulations.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff H. Speak of blowing with the wind and the old wind bag chimes up. You’re a real zarconian!

      • Karolyn

        How can you generalize so?? There are no good Christian Democrats? All liberals are “bad.” All progressives are “bad.” All conservatives are “good.” You paint everyone the same all the time. How can your mind be so narrow?

    • Patriot

      It will be hard, stay the course! This is just the start of something special! Keep the Faith!

      • BrotherPatriot

        Roger that!

  • Bruce Eden

    Damn! We had them all in one spot at one time! We could have taken them all out with an AC-130 gunship. Too bad! Wait til next time.

    • Karolyn

      Oooh! How clever!

  • photo lady

    The state of our nation reminds me of the Children’s story of the contest between the Sun and the North Wind trying to get a man to remove his coat. The North Wind bragged about how strong he was and could blow the coat right off the man. He huffed and puffed and blew for all he was worth, but the man tightened the coat more firmly around himself and hung on tighter. The North Wind failed. Then it was the Sun’s turn. He turned his rays on the man and warmed him up so that the man removed his coat, which made him the winner of the contest. Our government and dictator in chief is the North Wind. They are throwing all kinds of garbage at WE THE PEOPLE, but we have hunkered down, banded together, and braced ourselves against the onslaught of mind control, restrictions on freedom of speech, repressive laws, and a massive, staggering debt load. The sleeping giant has been awakened and is ravenous to restore honor, dignity and sanity to our once great land. If the Sun comes out in November to warm us up by sweeping out the garbage in house and senate, it might bring with it more jobs and economic prosperity, which will enable us to pay our debts and get this country back on the right track. We as a people have lost our way and need to get back to our roots, which is our faith in God and the Constitution.

    • BrotherPatriot

      So very well said, photo lady! Thank you for that post & the analogy…it has always stayed with me since I was age 8 or so…it has also crossed me mind down through the years in various situations. Your use of it is 100% correct…and you are the same percentage correct on our need to return to the faith of God & our Constitution!

      Glad to add you to my list of Patriots!

      • Jana

        I agree photo lady,
        Very well put and a great analogy. That is exactly what we are doing. Hunkering down and banding together. I may not go to the TEA Parties, but I am with them all the way.

  • http://gmail i41

    Ed Schulz was a radio accouncer in ND> was locatyed on the Minn and ND border. Most states that border Minn. are real hard core socialist dumbocrats. He is a moron and thinks he is the answer to Rush. Rush has forgot more than Ed will every know or remember in facts, just a a tool of The National Marxist Democrat Communist Party…..

  • http://yahoo Joe H.

    Phillips is NO libiterian: more likely a lefty liberal witch bitch!

    • DaveH

      Easy, Joe. Let’s not silence somebody just because they don’t agree with us. I would like to know why she believes that about Beck. I do think he is struggling with Libertarian principles. But I think he has good intentions and is actually making an effort to be a good man. And I think he is one of the few who is actually willing to admit that he’s been wrong in the past. If only we could all be so humble.

  • john

    What we witnessed was fear…the cockroaches were caught in the light and they know come November that foot is coming down.They are now recognized as what they are..a small minority that had been getting their way for too long by whining and threatening and protesting loudly in front of tv cameras.Well now it’s our turn and they’re afraid..as well they should be..the rebellion needs to start in the home..educate your children so they won’t fall for the garbage they’re corrupted with in school.Vote in your local elections and make a statement.Strengthen and unify the family.Start rejecting this culture of sewage and what they call celebrities today.Destroy their propaganda machines by turning them off..the tv and what comes out of Hollywood. If we just sit at a computer and vent ..what good is it.It’s time to say no to immoral laws and illegal tactics used to impose them upon us.Diversity and inclusiveness(legalised rascism).Let them call us hate mongers and bigots..they know they’re wrong..their on their heels now and it’s time to send them over the cliff.Sin is sin,wrong is wrong,just because govt. says otherwise does’nt change things.This is why we need to set term limits on Senate and Congress.This is why elected officials need to have some sort of belief system that they follow..yes religion..a fear of God..knowing they will have to answere to a higher power.He who stands for nothing falls for everything..this is our current so called president.Start getting louder in the streets of your towns…organize..get on an abortion protest line..make noise against gay marriage…don’t be silent when something is wrong and you know it.We need to give the left a taste of their own medicine and use their very tactics against them and put fear into elected officials who try to continue to operate to appease what they call”political correctness”.Stop buying products of companies who support the left wing radicals or promote perversion.Let Glen Becks rally be the starting point..only don’t let it fade away..we need to get active starting in our homes,communities and schools..this is where we take the ground upon which they stand out from under them…and pray..at least for those who believe in God.

    • Mick

      JOHN ,,,

      YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, IT’S UP TO THE PEOPLE TO QUIT FALLING FOR THIS ABOMINATION OF SO CALLED TOGETHERNESS.’.
      THIS TOGETHERNESS IS A FAKE MEANT TO CLONE US TO THE LIBERAL VIEW OF WHAT THEY WANT US TO BE IN ORDER TO CONTROL US, PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS, WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME BUT SHOULD STAND FOR WHAT’S RIGHT IN LIFE..
      WE HAVE LET OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS CATER TO THE SCUMS UNDER THE PRETEXT OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND GIVING THEM MORE POWER AND CONSIDERITION THAN THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.
      IF WE CONTINUE ON THIS PATH THE WORLD WILL BE LEFT WITH THE CRAPULES OF THE WORLD AND ONCE THEY TAKE OVER THERE WILL BE NO TURNING BACK, YOU WILL BE AT THEIR MERCY.
      WE’RE WELL ON OUR WAY …

    • BrotherPatriot

      John..so very true & ty for reinforcing all that I have been screaming about.

      Hollywood is manure. Feces…do not support these celebrities that are helping to push the “all seeing eye”…look at the movies and the symbology that is hidden within it. Floor tiles of black & white, pyramids, the pagan spiral, goats everywhere (bouncing), and all the rest that the subliminal messages are pushing.

      Become educated to the truth because they are trying to make us numb to their immoral images. Just as they have worked to instill that America is a Democracy…were are not…we are a Constitutional Republic and we as individuals are sovereign in ourselves with inalienable rights granted by God that the government cant take away! Don’t believe the lies that they are pushing…find yourselves and stand up for what is morally right! I can’t wait for Nov 2nd!

      God Bless you all this fine morning!

      • Jana

        BrotherPatriot,
        I agree with you about these Hollywood celebs. Why should we listen to them when most of them can’t even handle running their own lives successfully, and they want to run mine? Tell me how to vote? They make a living pretending. They form thier ideals from writers who teach them how to think like them through the scripts in the movies.
        All of the movies seem to have an agenda, and its the same agenda that Obama has. Remember, to be an active actor or published playwrite, they used to have to be a member of the Communist Party. They may not have to be members now, but they sure act like it.

    • DaveH

      John,
      “If we just sit at a computer and vent ..what good is it”?
      A lot of good, John. When has it ever been so easy to expose so many to the concepts of Freedom and Morality as it is now through the mass communication of the Internet? Why else would the Government leaders be trying so hard to control and censor the Internet?

      • JeffH

        DaveH, so very true. The internet is an open gateway of information that can seperate truth from lie, educate through open discussions like Bob Livingston’s website.
        No wonder that the Marxist/communist/socialist POTUS regime wants to control it and our thoughts.

  • Barbara Humphrey

    Sorry to disappoint, but many of us progressives were home in our election districts knocking on doors, making phone calls, and doing what we can to make sure progressive candidates win in November. And now we are busy listening to the tape of Glen Beck and his buddy rip into the poor family that lost their home in Tennessee because they had not paid their fire fee. Thank you Glen for energizing us and keeping us busy in our districts from now through November 2.

    • crystal

      …and sorry to disappoint you, but many of us Conservatives were at home during the “Restoring Honor” rally and we are sick of listening to progressives (which has never been progress). We are sick of the same old stereotypes they believe about everyone and their forced liberal social crap forced on everybody.

    • DaveH

      So, Barbara, then it is okay with you if we don’t pay the burdensome taxes that you Liberals charge to us? You will still love us, and want to protect us? Sure.

      • eddie47d

        Come on Dave,Not paying taxes is near the top of all righties to do list,or is that not to do list? If I read or hear anything said about Republicans (righties) positions it always comes down to how to pay Less tax and ways to scam the government. I also know Geithner is a tax cheat but we don’t claim him in our camp.

      • Karolyn

        Oh, give me a break (yet again), now liberals are blamed for taxes!

        • Kate8

          Karolyn, Democrats ARE the party of taxes!!

          You are the party of massive entitlement programs (to buy votes), bigger and bigger (and ever bigger) government in general…these things require money (LOTS of money) and the only place to get it is to TAKE it from the people who earn it.

          Take our money and control our lives. FORCE us to accept things that go against our fundamental values.

          Who was the guy (one of yours) who said that if they can’t get there using the power of persuasion, they’d use the persuasion of power?

  • crystal

    MSNBC is still on the air?

  • Mick

    crystal says:
    October 7, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    MSNBC is still on the air?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Well crystal,I guess we still have too many morons left around otherwise MSNBC would be toast by now,,,,,,

  • http://www.personalliberty.com V

    If elections don’t show a radical change towards the right in November…then “something is really wrong here”…i.e. corruption to the core.

    • Kinetic1

      So that’s how it works! If conservatives sweep this election, people have woken up to the truth. If progressives hold their ground, then the system is corrupt and the real people aren’t being counted. V, I’d hate to be around you when it all comes crashing in.

      • Kate8

        Kinetic, that’s really funny, considering all the places where conservatives actually WIN elections, and then the liberals recount as many times as it takes to ‘find’ enough non-existent votes to steal it.

      • Warrior

        Found this little video from a couple years ago. You should watch it.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4qyNiueqKY&feature=related

        • eddie47d

          What a load of propaganda. Like watching a Michael Moore movie in hyperdrive. It was so one sided I thought the boat was going to turn over.

          • Kinetic1

            Maybe I missed it, but they seemed to gloss over Bush’s “American Dream Act.”

            “President Bush said it just isn’t right that some Americans can’t afford to own their own home due their not being able to afford a down payment on one this past Tuesday at the signing ceremony of the American Dream Downpayment Act.”

            Yep, it was all the Dems ….. Oh yeah, the Republicans were in charge. All those people who couldn’t afford to get into a house could now depend on the Government for their down payment and closing costs! That’s nothing like giving loans to low income people! And who do you think had the honor of sponsoring that bill? Why it was no other than that junior Senator from Florida and Bush coconspirator Katherine Harris.

            But surely Bush knew that this could lead to trouble? He did call for tightening the reigns, right? Well, if you pay close attention to the video, interest rates were low in October of ’03 when the “American Dream Act” was passed by the Republican Congress, but then “exploded”, as the video says, within a year. Sure, Bush wanted to set new regulations for Fannie May, but he was setting up the fall at the same time! While housing prices were on the rise, prices began to rise much more sharply over the next 2 years. Go to 3:34 in the video and look at the chart. Where do the prices begin to really take off? Yes, the CPI got things going, and then the ADA pushed it right up the chart. In fact, about 80% of the increase occurred with Republican control of the White House and both houses of Congress. Was it all the Republican’s fault? No, of course not, but they pushed the program into high gear.

            Now what about those SubPrime loans. The video talks about rising gas prices and interest rates cutting into peoples incomes and that’s true. But what is this BS about “forcing Banks to become predatory lenders”? I refinanced my home during this period. I had good credit and plenty of income and I wanted a 30 year fixed. The banks wanted me to take an Interest only loan. Then they tried to talk me into one of these great 5 year ARMs with a teaser rate. I heard the same story they told so many new home buyers. “don’t worry, by the time your loan switches to the real interest rate you’ll be able to refinance at a low fixed rate” (if they warned them at all.) Were people foolish to take such a risk? You bet. Were the Banks concerned? Apparently not. They stood to make a killing. So don’t tell me about the poor banks and how they were “forced” to cheat people. Yes, they had to meet government goals for low income loans, but they knew they were playing a shell game.

        • JeffH

          Warrior, ain’t the truth just burdensome to the Dems?

  • Bluesage

    LISTEN UP PLEASE!!!
    Please realize that the way politicos get what56 they want these days is by kieeping us divided.They play the cards and pay the media to help them accomplish this; and it has been workng for many years.
    They have even paid people to run aginst a strong candidate in order to split the vote so their candidate could win. They will do it again because they have all the funding they ever need from the people who run the FED and the Council On Foreign Relations.
    Read the book THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND By G Edward Griffin and use that info to empower all who would stop the New World Order before it is too late

  • ONTIME

    You know in order to mock someone a sense of humor is needed. Communist humor is a bit over rated.

    • 45caliber

      Do you mean that a communist actually has a humor? I thought the only thing they found funny was shooting someone in the back.

      • Karolyn

        45 – You’re the one constantly talking about killing people.

  • Conservatives United

    Yes is you compare the pictues of the Freak show to the Tea Party or Glen Becks, you notice alot of GREEN showing thru, as real grass areas not covered with people. I WONDER IF THIS IS THE SYMBOLISM OF THE LEFT WHO PUSH THE GREEN AGENDA?????

    Yes they certianly did have the usual cast of thugs, and degernerates, foaming at the mouth. The Reverend(s) (and I choke to call them that)Jessie JackASS (as he is known as in Chicago) & Al SharpTONGUE. SharpTONGUE was on stage with some of the Socialist communist groups, and later on Fox News saying that he wasn’t.

  • Bluesage

    V, You are correct. it does not matter anymore what party you vote for. They all have the same agenda or at least enough on each party to enact the laws and policies whill give them ultimate power over the people.

  • Mick

    V says:
    October 7, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    If elections don’t show a radical change towards the right in November…then “something is really wrong here”…i.e. corruption to the core.
    ***********************************************
    V,,,,,Corruption has been around for a long time but unfortunately has been getting worse the past few years…
    Just the fact that our Military who are the ones putting their lives on the line for our freedom have been disadvantaged in the voting process while away from home and the democrats refusing to count the absentee ballots should open the eyes of the citizens, while in the same token ballots from dead folks have been accepted as well as ballots from felons….
    How else could the democrats win any election , they’re the masters of corruption and if people want to see America regain its wonderful past status the people need to turn their backs on them.

    • BrotherPatriot

      I have already decided to no longer vote by absantee…

      I have great hope that a magnifying glass will be used to count the votes now that we the People have awoken.

    • 45caliber

      Mick:

      The liberals definately don’t want the military to vote. About 90% or more are conservative. So anything they can find to disallow that vote will be done. I heard one say a couple of years ago that no military should be allowed to vote because the military isn’t supposed to get involved in politics. They all believe that.

      Most of the problem is that they insist that all military personell MUST vote only with an absentee ballot from their home town. Most military are interested only in voting for (or against) those running for a national office. It would be easy to set up a few voting booths on bases around the country and around the world to do just that. But then – the military might actually not vote for a liberal! Horrible!! We can’t allow that!!

      • eddie47d

        Dang it Caliber your’re still blowing smoke up your own behind. “They all believe that” -What rubbish,I have never read or heard anyone even suggest that.

        • Kinetic1

          It sure wasn’t me!

  • john

    Those who cry rascism are the biggest rascists,those who use race as excuse or blame use it as a crutch because they have nothing else to stand on.People like Al Sharpton,Jesse Jackson,Jeremiah Wright,Lou Farrakhn would all be out of jobs if their were ever racial harmony.Thats why they got so stirred up when they saw Coretta Scot King at the Glen Beck Taking Back America rally.They see their meal ticket slipping away.They got what they wanted..a biracial President and they see that he sold them out to..their at their wits end.Look what happened to Malcolm X when he dropped the hate mongering and race baiting..they killed him.Now people like Al Sharpton would like nothing more than the MLK dream to die to..they don’t want harmony..they want discord.The leftists are all about control over everything you do..what you’ll eat,drive,believe,where you can and can not go,what you can and can not say…this is a communist takeover going on in this country…it’s just like every other evil promoted and pushed on us with fancy,clean,slogans so that we’ll buy the lie.As the good book says..whoever has ears ought to hear and eyes to see..the darkness they spew clearly shows now who is blind and deaf now to the goings on in this nation.If you think everything is just find..your in the dark with the left.

    • libertytrain

      John – you meant Alveda King – Coretta has been gone for quite some time.

    • 45caliber

      john:

      I agree. A friend of mine is black. I worked for awhile with some of his cousins. He told me that they were very racist. The next time it rained, I offered one of his cousins a ride to their car so they wouldn’t get wet (it was about a three hundred yard walk). She turned me down – would rather take a chance catching a cold in the rain that ride with a white man.

      And they insist they are not racist, we are.

      • Jana

        The tide has totally turned. In the old days the whites were the racist. A lot of it through just plain ignorance. Now the blacks are the racists. Well, out of just plain ignorance. But I sure do get tired of seeing these black woman with their haughty attitudes.
        During the 60′s our country came into an era where we realized that we had wronged the black people. So we sat back while they were showing their anger because we knew they were right. But its time to get over that stupid anger and grow up.We have a country at stake now, so put aside that stupid pride (all sides) and quit playing the race card! It has gotten old.

  • David J. Sanchez

    The bottom line is that we need to petition all those that are running for office even down to the lowest office levels, even city council posts the question, “do you believe that you are there to represent us when you attain your position”? I even ask them if they believe in the Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution. These questions need to be answered as we have voted in the past for individuals and then hoped for the best instead of remaining involved to make sure that they know we are watching and that they are easily replaced with those that will listen and represent the needs and desires of the people. So lets stop all this race baiting. If the NAACP. does offer lawyer’s services to those who have shot policemen, then they do what they do, and there is nothing we can do about it but hope that they do it to find out the truth, but if it is to get them adjudicated innocent even when they are guilty, then they are there worst enemy, because there are cops of every race even Black. Let us move on and vote intelligently for Constitutionalists and move forward. Dave S.

    • DaveH

      Good advice, David.

  • Chuck S

    It would be nice to see pictures, so we can see how big the gathering was.

    • Kinetic1

      Her is an article with comparative photos.
      http://politics-and-world-5678.blogspot.com/2010/10/one-nation-rally-attendance-bigger-than.html
      There’s no question that Beck’s crowd was larger, and anyone who thought that the “One Nation” rally was going to be as big was fooling themselves. Even if all the likely participants of each rally were equal, the Beck rally was so well promoted that it was bound to overshadow any normal rally. “Restore Honor” was not just on Beck’s radio and TV show, it was non stop on every talk show. It wasn’t just FOX news covering the announcement, it was all the major news outlets. Even though I watch MSNBC, I only heard about “One Nation” a week or so before it happened!

      It’s foolish to compare the two rallies. Beck’s following is large and loyal. He drew from his listeners, FOX viewers and the Tea Party movement, all of whom are very motivated this election, much like the “Moral Majority” back a few decades ago. Ed doesn’t have this sort of following, and even with the unions he can’t whip up the same sort of furor. If this rally was meant as a response to Beck’s (which I don’t believe it was) he never had a chance.

      The real question, however is November. Will the polls show the same imbalance? I already noted Beck’s poll results, and even though she isn’t running, Tea Party favorite and cheerleader Sarah Palin has a favorability rating of only 37%. And on the candidate front, Christine O’Donnell’s numbers have slipped to an embarrassing level while Sharron Angle just can’t seem to hold a solid lead despite Reed’s low approval numbers. They’re all four Tea Party darlings, but America doesn’t seem so pleased. I guess all we can do is wait and see.

  • Bluesage

    They have most of the population exactly where they want them. So busy shouting at each other that they just get everything passed right under our stupid noses while we attack each oyher’s morals, and call each other names. YOU ARE ALL playing their game!!! and will make them win by default!! AS usual. UNITED means stop the petty name caling and focus on the problems we need to address/overcome and figure out how we can get it done NOW!! rON “pAUL would HAVE A CHANCE IF YOU WOULD ALL STOP being manipulated and get behind one man.

  • Bluesage

    They lie and will tell you anything you want to hear,but once in office it’s hurray for us and the he– with you.

  • Bluesage

    Just name 25 % of the congressmen/women who actually ever actually did anything for the people without it being watered down or perverted by both parties beforehand

    • 45caliber

      But if you name just one you are already over the 25% mark!

  • Bluesage

    Then if it looks like any meaningful change may happen;the senate takes over and squashes it.

  • marvin

    when you give rights to them that have no rights [illegalls and terrorist] and take rights from the unborn that can not speak for them self, when the minority tell the vast majority that they know whats best,when you say i believe in god then want to get married to the same sex,or charge one race with hate crime[mostly all white]and not the other,when you vote based on a person skin color not for how or what they have or will do,i say here is your sign

  • Bluesage

    They play a very sophisticated game and we had better learn to beat them at it. WHAT IF we all SAID we are voting for one of their candidates,but then voted for someone else? A third party candidate…say one thing,do another–just like they do to us!!

  • Bluesage

    We can build us a trojan horse too!!

  • barbmiller

    “Fronted by conservative icons Glenn Beck and erstwhile Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin…” don’t make me puke. i liked the story except for that part. glenn beck is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. he sabotaged the tea party favorite for texas governor and kissed perry’s a$$. he even said he’d like to french kiss perry. disgusting!!! and palin has become a media star, but she’s just one of the good old boys. i won’t vote for her if she runs for potus. i think she got a bad break from the media during the election, but i don’t want her for my potus as she backed perry too.

    • JeffH

      barbmiller, then maybe you should start getting used to the porcelin god.

    • 45caliber

      barb:

      As a Texas citizen, I don’t like Perry either. But I like Bill White far less. Anyone who would make his district (Houston) a sanctuary city for illegals isn’t what I want for a governor. I think we can find enough good legislators to keep a lid on Perry.

  • barbmiller

    i’ll be voting for the right leaning libertarian candidate for texas governor, kathie glass. she kicked butt at the debate last sunday just like medina did last year. she’s the tea party favorite.

  • Bluesage

    Is anyone out there paying any attention to the fact that the candidates ON BOTH SIDES they put in front of us, no matter what they SAY, are already bought and paid for?

    • 45caliber

      The definition of an “honest” politician:

      Someone who STAYS bought.

  • barbmiller

    you betcha. and i was saying that long before palin.

  • Vigilant

    Amusing, isn’t it? In their misguided and fizzled “One Nation” rally, they must have been severely disappointed in the meager turnout. The left (small letter intended) seems to be preoccupied with size. They want everything big: government, taxes, deficits, and big time disregard/disrespect for the Constitution.

    • JC

      I was actually quite entertained to see black people being interviewed at that rally that didn’t seem happy with the Kenyan’s policies. One comment was “We voted him in and we can vote him out”.
      Nice to see that even some of those who voted for color are waking up.

      • American Citizen

        I also liked that black woman telling Obama he is a big disappointment.

  • Karolyn

    Wait til John Stewart’s “Rally to Restore Sanity” on October 30.

    • JC

      That should be pretty funny :)
      Stewart is a good comedian.

    • Vigilant

      Coming just before the elections, it should prove to be the last gasp, desperate attempt to garner votes. I’m not fond of watching any animal slowly die, but when a political movement slowly dies because it chokes on its own toxic waste, it may prove to be interesting viewing.

    • 45caliber

      Who is he expecting to show up? His wife?

      • Karolyn

        You wait and see 45. Woodstock all over again. :-)

        • Vigilant

          How’s that? Sex, drugs, loud music, puking and getting rained out?

          Perhaps it should be broadcast on Pay-Per-View only.

          • Karolyn

            No, intelligent people seeking peace, joy and love for the whole world.

          • Tinwarble

            Is this the same intelligent people that think Stewart is an actual news person & that he reports on actual news. How intelligent can someone be to not know that what they are really attending is an outdoor comedy venue. This is just a sardonic response to Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally, and nothing more. What is ironic though, is that you will have a rally to “restore sanity” attended by the insane.

            I’m just wondering if they will have a full bar like they do at comedy clubs, or will this be BYOB.

    • JeffH

      Karolyn, I hope you will be able to attend. That way we can guess which one is you in the “crowd”. LOL!

      • JC

        The one with the Che Guevera beanie? ;)

        • JeffH

          The other person in attendance will be Kinetic…

      • Karolyn

        I wish I could.

  • john

    Without term limits on the Senate and Congress,we will continue to be the can that gets kicked around.If these fools in office can only serve 2-4yr terms at best into corruption and if they do ..then they can’t get too powerful nor make it a career and it will be harder for them to be bought.They should also have to pay into social security..who are they that they are separate from the rest of us..otherwise give me the option to control where I want my retirement money going..I certainly would no longer pay into a system that is supporting illegal leaches.

  • chuck b

    john

    at one time i supported term limits, but,after considering all things term limits will not help. we should reform our voting rights. at present we have so much corruption in our voting system term limits wouldn’t do a thing for us. the electorate is who we should fear. we have people voting that have no idea what the man they voted stands for, he either is the same color or the same party. we have the seiu corrupting the voting process just like acorn. we have illegal aliens voting, we have people voting who cannot read or write, dead people and people imprisoned. the politicians claim everyone has the right to vote, baloney! we should clean up the voting precincts, no one should be allowed to vote that is not a citizen in good standing.
    voters should be proven literate. the law should be enforced with a very strong penalty against fraud in voting. our education system and the liberal media have helped create this dysfunctional society we live in and that would be a good place to start cleaning it up. then we could talk about term limits. lot of the information we look up on wikipedia is biased to the liberal side and they only print what they want you to believe. this is wrong, there should be no mis-information on these sites and politics should be avoided .

    • 45caliber

      Everything – voting system, laws, justice system, etc. – is designed perfectly … for politicians.

  • David R. (Canada)

    Thanks for the laughs. It made my day!

  • Robert Berger

    No,you can’t say that the entire tea party movement is racist,but there definitely are some very racist people in it.Just look at some of the vile statements against Obama on the sings some were using.
    But neither are the progressives who just met in Washington entirely a bunch of communists,Marxists and doctrinaire multicultural and politically correct left-wingers.
    Extremists on both sides are equally bad. But the problem with the tea partiers is that they support right-wing politicos and would be ones who would be far worse than Obama if elected. These folks basically aren’t even real conservatives.They are representivie of the way that so much of this country has gone so far to the right it makes Torqumada,Genghis Khan,Attila the Hun and Tamerlane look
    liberal.
    In fact,this nation on the whole has gone so far to the right it’s in another dimension,a sort of bizarro world where any one who has even the slightest disagreement with current conservative orthodoxy is automatically labeled as a “socialist,Marxist and communist”.
    Even people like me, a pretty moderate guy who would be considered too conservativ by the real leftists in America. I’ve been labeled a Marxist and communist all over the internet by angry conservatives,even though I’ve never even come remotely close to being one of these.
    The country has gone so far right that it has labeled a president as an evil communist dictator who intends to turn America into another totalitarian dictatorship like the former Soviet Union,China or Cuba,even though this notion is absolutely laughable.
    Ironically, the REAL left in America,of which I’m asolutely no part,doesn’t think much of Obama or consider him one of their own,because he’s just too conservative for them !
    Obama has not depirved a single American of any rights.Nor is there any indication that he intends to.In fact, he’s a reasonable,level-headed,and fair-minded guy.
    But the REAL threat to freedom and prosperity in America comes not from the left,but from the far right.
    They claim to want “limited” government, but they want unlimited power for the government to pry into the bedrooms of Americans,particularly if they happen to be gay,and want to tell women what to do with their bodies,despite the fact that this is an entirely personal matter.
    They want to make government “smaller”,but they really want to create a theocratic America in which non-christians were second class citizens. They want the government to intrude into our lives in different ways than conservatives claim the government wants to intrude into our lives.
    They want prayer in school.But with all the kids from different religious backgrounds in schools,whose prayer? Christian,Jewish,Muslim,Hindu,Buddhist,or Wiccan?
    And what about kids who are old enough to think for themselves and decide that they are atheists or agnostics?
    They want a small and limited government which “lets people alone”,
    yet they expect to be able to enforce laws against abortion which they intend to pass. This would require billions of dollars and would be a massive and egregious intrusion into the privacy of Americans.
    They want freedom, but only if you are a Christian,especially a fundamentalist one,anti-choice and homophobic.
    They want freedom and want to restore “decency” to television and films etc, and decency in books,magazines etc. But who is to say what’s decent? Not every one agrees,and not every one finds the same things offensive,indecent and obscene.
    Do we really want the government to arbitrarily censor and ban anything thos ein power find offensive and indecent?
    The conservatives want “personal responsibility” and to get rid of welfare and other government programs,even for people who are honest and hard-working and out of work through no fault of their own.Is this good for America? I think not.
    I’m opposed to tyranny whether it’s tyranny of the left-wing or right-wing kind. This nation cannot afford to elect politicians who
    in the name of freedom institute right-wing tyranny.

    • Karolyn

      Great post Robert!

  • Robert Berger

    That should read “on some of the signs they were carrying,”not sings.

    • chuck b

      robert berger

      face it, you are a true bleeding heart liberal. trying to blame the world for barry soetoro’s failure. you must have been looking in a mirror when you made your comments. i love it when you marxist types try to disguise yourself’s as riding both sides of the road. it always comes to the point the conservative is the problem and right wing tyranny. your kind of thinking is the problem.

      • JeffH

        chuck b, it’s just part of the Alinsky rules…cut your hair, put on a nice suit and blend in…gain their trust…then wammo, right between the eyes. We’ve seen it way too many times to take the bait.

    • JeffH

      Robert Berger, you really need to update your mis-information.

    • john

      I noticed your reference to abortion as “control over a womans body”and a personel choice..well tell me this..what about the body growing inside her that is not hers?It is a life..a human life which according to you a woman has the right to murder as a result of her own irresponibilities.Please,and since when is homosexuality a civil right? It’s about who your having sex with which should be a “private”matter.Why should children be subjected to perversion.Homosexuality is all about lust and control..and worship of the body..it goes against the laws of nature..it is a perversion..which was well recognized until gay extremists with their money were able to get politicians and scientists to sell their souls and that of the nations to push their agenda upon everyone.As for the race card you play on Tea partyers…I’ll say this..their is racism in everything..they could even be plants to tarnish the movement you don’t know.However..who are the real rascists these days?Al Sharpton.Jeremiah Wright,Jesse Jackson..these hate mongerers need rascism to have a job.Who voted for Obama for his color?Why is Obama calling on blacks,hispanics and young people to get out and vote in numbers come November?Because he knows he is doomed so he calls those who vote ignorantly based on race,and young people(the college crowd that is fed liberal leftist garbage on campus day in and day out and for those who vote for the guy that looks and sounds cool.You are a wolf in sheeps clothing..your just another blind idiot that follows this Muslim imposter non-citizen of a president,,well you know what..keep following him and serenade him while his ship sinks.

      • Karolyn

        You are basing your response on personal beliefs, John, and forcing them on others.

        • Mike In MI

          Karolyn -
          Really? How childishly silly. Did he just “force” you to believe his way, adopt his belief system and take your wealth to subjugate you so you have to crawl to him for a morsel of bread, water and heat?
          That’s liberal emotion-whipping of the worst kind.

  • http://gmail i41

    Edy,why don’t just go back to your rez and stay there. As a socialist liberal democrat, and a ward of the federal government, you don’t have too deep of an understandingof taxes or government impedaments to businesses of special favors and the ability to whine about you victumology. The rest of the USA citizens have to pick up the slack for your sorry assed feasting and drinking and poor work habits. chuck b, making voters persent voter ID is a start, the rez rats dumbocrat smucks make non indians think they are just poor , unable to leave the rez and whine about showing IDs. To get elected on a rez, be a democrat, bring several kegs, and several fat puppies to feast on and maybe prairie squaw root for a vegatable.

    • Karolyn

      It’s hard to believe i41, but you just get more disgusting every day.

  • chuck b

    141

    i agree, voters should have an id card, but, stop and think about it the demos could furnish id’s very easily. they have no problem getting illegals social security cards. unless we have some way to furnish foul proof cards it would be a waste of time. people should have to take a 4th grade eximination before allowing them to vote, that way we would eliminate most liberals and if was in english that would solve the illegal problem. kill two birds with one test.

    • Karolyn

      Why is it no conservatives here have a problem with i41′s vile language and disgusting racism. And, believe me, you cannot discount the fact that here is a true racist. KKK anyone?

  • chuck b

    karolyn

    what’s do racist about 141? it reads to me like he pretty much knows what he is talking about, maybe your humor is lacking.

    • Karolyn

      Oh, come one Chuck, on a “rez” with “fat puppies to feast on.”? I am sorry, but if that’s humor, I’m missing something, and I am a very humorous person. Do you actually read everything he says. Does it even matter what he says? As long as he has conservative views, apparently, it doesn’t matter.

  • chuck b

    karolyn

    yes, i read most of what he writes. it amazes me that he can put that much together with humor in such a short time. unless you haven’t studied the indian culture, they do eat dogs or should i say they did in the past (maybe that’s where the term hot dogs came from) and i guess they found it to be a delicacy. the reference to the liberals i agree with him, they are a total detriment to our society in my thoughts. it’s good to have a few around to argue with though.
    i do think we should have a little liberalism in our hearts and a lot of conservatism in our bank accounts.

    • Tinwarble

      chuck b,

      As a staunch conservative & a Cherokee, I can say that were I don’t see i41′s comments particularly racist, I do think that they are in bad taste. All cultures have done things in there past, and quite frankly dog has been on the menu of everyone of every color & creed sometime in their history. It is easy enough to attack liberals on their ideas and isn’t necessary to stoup to their level by getting into personal attacks, weather meant to be humorous or not.

      Besides no one makes a feast on puppies, there just isn’t enough meat. And, if you are a meat eater like I am, we both know that before we would be vegetarians there would be dog steaks on both our plates.

      As for a “little liberalism in our hearts”, I would have to give that 2 big thumbs down. That is just another way of saying “take from the rich & give to the poor”. Which by the way is a great way to describe how liberals see the world. With the story of “Robin Hood”, liberals only see part of the story, where Robin Hood takes from the evil rich and gives it to the poor, or redistributes the wealth. As where conservatives see the whole story, where the Royals (or the government as it were) over taxed the farmers & merchants, to line their own pockets, making them poor and Robin Hood came to say that the money they stole needs to go back to the people they took it from. But if you want something in your heart, it should be charity, which comes from you not via someone else pockets.

  • chuck b

    tinwarble

    so what’s wrong with saying indians ate dogs? is that some kind of slander to you? some old manucripts from trappers who connected with the indians claimed the indians offered them dogs to eat as a gesture of friendship. i see nothing wrong in that, 141 referring to eating puppies is nothing more than poking fun at karolyn as i see it and what’s bad taste about that. you claim to be cherokee, so does that give you some kind precedent over other people, i could care less if you were an apache or irishman.

    if you look up the word liberal, it doesn’t necessarily mean democrat. it can be used as is the belief in the importance of individual liberty and equal rights. i didn’t mean it in the sense of politics and if you have read any of my post, you certainly can’t refer to me as a liberal democrat, which your reference sounds like.
    the word liberal can be used for different meanings and i meant as giving from your heart, to help people in true need, so don’t take what i said out of context

    • Tinwarble

      chuck,

      Seems as if you took my post too close to heart. I didn’t accuse you of being liberal, only to point out that maybe it was not worded the way you meant it, since it would sound as though it was meant as an ideological (using liberalism & conservatism in the same sentence) rather than it being one of many definitions.

      As far as you caring about me being Cherokee, actually I could care less if you care. I’m a Vet too, should that matter to you? No, but I will mention it when it is of consequence. I only mentioned it to say, as that I was, I didn’t see i41′s comments particularly racists. I don’t think that it gives me any precedent (which I don’t think it’s a matter of precedent anyway, just a matter of taste) over anyone, only insight. But yes it was in poor taste, not so much what was said, just in the manner that it was said. Personally, I don’t take anything to heart or do I think anything “slanders” me, besides, I’m Indian, southern and a gun toting, GOD fearing Redneck, Vet. If I took anything as slander, I would be mad all the time, although my ire can be raised talking bad about my military brothers.

      But this is not my first rodeo on this site (had to stop posting because my better half thought I was obsessed), & what I don’t like to see is Conservatives acting like Liberals, and if the comments had been actually funny it might be a different story.

  • chuck b

    tinwarble

    maybe i should have chosen my words a little different. sometimes my typing gets ahead of my thoughts. i do not get upset over 141 and usually laugh at his comments, sometimes we all get a little to serious and need to loosen up a bit. you can call me anything but a liberal. i’m probably to the right of genghis kahn.

Bottom
close[X]

Sign Up For Personal Liberty Digest™!

PL Badge

Welcome to PersonalLiberty.com,
America's #1 Source for Libertarian News!

To join our group of freedom-loving individuals and to get alerts as well as late-breaking conservative news from Personal Liberty Digest™...

Privacy PolicyYou can opt out at any time. We protect your information like a mother hen. We will not sell or rent your email address to anyone for any reason.