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Wisconsin Leaders Expect Concealed Weapon Bill To Pass This Spring

January 20, 2011 by  

Wisconsin leaders expect concealed weapon bill to pass this spring  Wisconsin is currently one of two American states that prohibits its residents from carrying a concealed weapon. However, new Republican leadership in the Badger State is expected to pave the way to looser gun control laws.

According to the La Crosse Tribune, Republican Governor Scott Walker said that he expects a concealed carry bill to succeed in the state legislature this spring, and he intends to sign it. This past November, Walker defeated Democratic candidate Tom Barrett for the top spot in the state's executive branch. Furthermore, Republican lawmakers gained control of the state Assembly and Senate, which is the first time that the GOP has controlled both chambers since 1998.

Although the state allows its citizens to openly carry firearms without a permit, nonprofit gun-rights group Wisconsin Carry said that the law against carrying a concealed weapon limits residents' rights protected by the 2nd Amendment. Hubert Hoffman, vice president of the group, said that his home state is a decade behind the rest of the United States in gun-rights policies.

The state's law against carrying concealed weapons may have contributed to some confusion and an unwarranted arrest in 2010. According to The Lakeland Times, Krysta Sutterfield attended church last July with a gun holstered at her side for all to see, which is legal. However, the police were notified, and they drew their weapons on Sutterfield, searched her car and arrested her with no probable cause, the news provider reported.

Last week, the city of Brookfield and four of its police officers agreed to award the woman and Wisconsin Carry, a plaintiff in the case, $7,500 in a settlement, according to the media outlet.

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  • Wendy

    The question of concealed or not is ridiculous. Every law abiding citizen should have the right to carry.

    • Lomax

      I agree that every law abiding citizen should have the right to carry concealed if he/she wants to. I have high hopes that Wisconsin will pass the concealed carry law for their citizens. I also hope that they will have reciprocity with all other states that have concealed carry laws.

      • Christin

        Lomax and Wendy,
        Doesn’t every Amrican citizen already possess the right to carry a gun as stated in the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States???
        Is it “state sovereignty” or “anti-Constitutionalists” that have allowed each state to change or adjust their gun laws?

        I, too, hope that the other states, esp. the newly elected Republican states, align their gun laws with the 2nd Amendnment.

        However, if we have a president that doesn’t follow the Constitution, nor does his Congress, gov pension police force and corrupt judicial system …then it will not matter so much in the end for the citizens, I think.

        • Vicki

          Christin is absolutely correct that EVERY one of “We, The People” have the right to keep and bear arms. 2nd Amendment. Amendment 10 points out that the states can NOT violate this right. The 14th amendment reiterates this point cause it is often missed in the odd wording of the 10th amendment (States Powers Amendment sometimes mis named States Rights Amendment which is silly cause States have no rights.)

          However if our rights are violated and no one steps up and demands that the violations stop then the various governments will quite happily continue to violate our rights.

          The whole point of both the recent Supreme Court rulings was that this right was individual and that the limitations of the 2nd did in fact apply to all government not just the federal government.

          Of course there still seems to be some confusion to people that do not even read the bills they vote for as to the meaning of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

          I also do not see anywhere in the 2nd that says we have to bear arms where they can be seen by a potential threat.

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Wendy:

      We do have the right to carry. It is called the Second Ammendment.
      Remember: It’s no dirt-bag politician’s business who owns guns, how many, or what kind.
      Any gun regulation is a violation of the Second Ammendment which states our right to keep and bear arems shall not be infringed upon. Any regulation whatsoever is an infringement.

      • Vicki

        Any regulation by ANY government entity at ANY level would infringe upon our right to keep and bear arms.

  • JimC

    A fine example of law enforcement not knowing or fully understanding the law. I will wager that every police officer in Brookfield knows and understands this statute now!

    • ted

      Amen

    • 45caliber

      The real problem for policemen is the same as it is for you and me. There are so many laws on the books that they simply cannot know all of them. Even lawyers and judges don’t. That’s why some lawyers can make good money – they know where a law is that gives a loophole. Police try to know the major laws but the more minor ones are overlooked due to the need to do their jobs where they don’t have time to worry about the minor laws.

      For instance, one town I’ve lived in has a city law that it is legal to exceed the speed limit in town IF you have someone on foot in front of your vehicle ringing a cow bell. That is a law. But it is obviously one that now should be repealed and forgotten. Probably half the existing laws or perhaps even more fall into this category. But it isn’t done.

      • independant thinker

        Some cities and even states have done this in an omnibus law that list many archaic laws they are eliminating. While technicaly still on the books they have been repealed under the catch-all omnibus bill.

  • JPS

    I completely agree with Wendy.

    It couldn’t have been said any better.

    Quite playing games with our constitution!

  • JACK HERMAN

    I totaly agree with carry concel as it is not the law
    abiding citicen that is commiting the crimes. And every one has the right to protect themselves.
    The old addage is true that when guns are outlawed only criminals
    will have guns. Look at the crime stats of countrys that have banned
    guns. and how the crime has jumped

    • Vicki

      Don’t even have to look at other countries. Just look at States and Cities here in the US.

  • Radical RW’er

    I heard Ted Nugent once say “the 2nd Amendment IS my concealed carry permit”! Here Here.

    But according to Michael Moore, the real reason for American’s “obsession” of guns is ……….RACISM! Are you serious? We live amongst idiots.

    • Jim B Garwin, IA

      Good for her & Wisconsin. I hope they honor Iowa’s permits. I would go to Wisconsin more often

      • J.M.J.

        Mr. Garwin, I live in TX and have a chl, it would be nice if IA would honor TX’s chl. TX honors IA’s. Maybe you can call your rep’s and push for fairness.

        • Vicki

          What would really be nice is for the government at ALL levels to honor the supreme law of the land.

    • pat

      IF IT WAS TRUE THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER RACES IN THE USA.

  • bear

    Time for me to jump in here. Wendy is right. The 2nd Amendment gives all Americans the right to bear arms. I doesn’t, however, make any distinction to law abiding citizen or not. It simply gives ALL Americans the right and it doesn’t make any distinction as to how, when or where, or what kind of arm an Amrican can carry. Theoretically, by the right granted to me by the 2nd Amendment, I have the right to walk into my bank carrying my AR-15 fully loaded. In reality, I won’t do that because by today’s standards, that would not be appropriate. But, if when I got to the bank there was a robbery in progress, me and my AR-15 would probably be welcomed along with my vast exprience in deploying the weapon. I’m glad to see this coming to fruition in Wisconsin. Now, we need to go the the state that has long been known for it’s Mafia crime and Mafia style methods of politics, Illinois. The unions and all the corruption that leaks out into this country comes from this state and it’s way overdue for the enema it greatly needs. America needs to get back into the world trade market and it’s the greed of the unions that have forced our nation into outsourcing and has caused the loss of jobs and the ability to compete with countrys like China. Get rid of the unions, their greed, re-establish a competitive atmosphere for products manufacturing and get back into the race. That can happen if we turn this horse around.

    • Doug

      I agree with some of you post but the real reason companies go overseas is not so much the wages it very much so the regulations put on by our government. I read it cost 1 billion dollars more to build a factor in the US due to regulatory rules. Now add in the union and you can understand why corporations go elsewhere to set up shop!

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Doug… I agree with you and with Bear! The unions are killing our country. And I agree with Ted Nugent! Our 2nd amendment is in violation in Illinois. What a horribly corrupt state it is! I wouldn’t live in that state if I was paid to!

        • http://deleted Claire

          Ted Nugent?? Yuck. I have more respect for JeffH.

          • JC

            What’s wrong with Ted? LOL
            He’s been a 2nd amendment advocate for years. He is Deputized and carries a gun everywhere…he donates hundreds of thousands of dollars to nature preserves and national parks. He is always on the attack of all things socialist and he fights for our “American Rights”….personally I think we could use a whole lot more like him.

  • Alice

    In New hampshire we have a man going to jail for “criminal threatening” for drawing down on a trespasser on his property…a few years ago another man was sent to jail for actually shooting an intruder in his home who threatened his family…and you thought you had the right to protect what was yours!
    Think again my friends.

    • Don

      then you people in new hampshire needs to change some laws, you are the voters !!!

      • Vicki

        Need to instruct their juries better too :)

    • JC

      Isn’t New Hampshire’s motto “Live Free or Die” ?
      Strange place to have your right to self defense removed.

      • Tinman

        The libs in New Hampshire change the motto to ” I am we todd it, I am sofa king we todd it”

  • Karl W, Schwab

    Glad to see that Wisconsin is thinking about joining with the rest of the Gun Conceal and Carry States. It would be a good move forward Wisconsin. Now, how can we get Illinois to do the same?

  • Karl W, Schwab

    Alice, move down to Texas, we would love to have you and you would be protected under Texas Law for shooting an intruder. Come on down gal!

    • Doug

      Now if Texas would only get rid of illegal road blocks. You have all these other things right why do you let your state get away with illegal searches?

      • JC

        The road blocks are the Feds. Texas and every other state need to nullify their authority to pull this crap.

      • Christin

        Doug,
        JC,

        Road blocks??? Illegal searches… by the FEDS???

        • JC

          You’re not aware of these?

          • Christin

            JC,
            No… when and where do these road blocks and illegal searches happen in our state?

          • JC

            Christin,
            not sure what state you’re in but I’ll post a couple of links for you. They tend to be most common withing one hundred miles of the Mexican border, but they can happen anywhere in the USSA.

            http://www.roadblock.org/

          • JC

            This guy is in Arizona and has been driving around looking for road blocks and filming them.

            http://www.checkpointusa.org/

  • FlaJim

    It’s an amazing coincidence that crime rates decrease in every state that liberalizes its gun laws, isn’t it? Perhaps criminals are capable of occasional lucid thought like, “What if my victim is armed?”

  • JimH

    It looks like the great state of Chicago (Illinios) will be the last hold out. It won’t matter because once our illustrius governor and his Chicago Dem machine congress tax all our jobs and it’s people to other states there will be nobody left but the criminals in Springfield and they will have their own corupt police to protect them from themselves. Hang your head in shame, Illinios.

    • http://deleted Claire

      JimH–I won’t hang my head in shame. Decent citizens should not have to. It is the corrupt politicians that should be ashamed of themselves for what they have done. But I will admit that I am embarassed to tell someone I live in Illinois. Old fishy Rahm is still having problems with his residency issue so I hear.
      I would move away but I do not want to—my kids are here, established in their jobs-and with today’s economy it would not be wise for them to quit and move away. They have good jobs-and good jobs are hard to come by.

  • dan

    Finally….I won’t have to worry about ACCIDENTALLY concealing my
    fire-arm.Hopefully they’ll get to spirit of the Constitution…
    the part about NOT INFRINGING upon the RIGHTS of LAWFULLY ENGAGED
    citizens .
    Personally,I prefer to carry inside my coat where the pistol doesn’t get filled with ice and snow…and will still function at forty below.

  • Bert Cundle

    ELEMANT OF SURPEISE, CAN BE THE BEST DEFENSE!

  • ML

    One must wonder if the outcome in Tuscon, the number of people killed and wounded, might have been mightily different if there had been armed people in the audience who knew how to shoot.

    Statistics on gun violence and other crime conclusively show that ordinary people have little to fear from armed citizens, and much to thank them for. We have much to fear from those who seek to disarm us. Just one more similarity between today’s Democrat Party and the National Socialist German Worker’s Party (the Nazi’s).

    • Bert Cundle

      We have much to fear from/////////\That is Paranoia! The History Teachings are tangled, & Misleading!

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Bert Cundle… I would rather find myself somewhat paranoid than totally oblivious to what is going on around me! Wake up and pull your blinders off and stop listening to the main stream media!

      • Vicki

        Both history and common sense teaches that an armed populace is a safe populace.

    • Papa

      The problem with any comparison to Tucson is that “OPEN” carry is legal in Arizona (no license required) and licensed Concealed Carry is also legal. There just didn’t happen to be either present at that moment, at this political rally. One armed citizen ran quickly from a nearby store, only to find that UNARMED citizens had already subdued the creature responsible.

      The biggest problem in our society is that “PARENTS” fail to teach their children how to properly use firearms to protect themselves, and to never go UNARMED into dangerous places. That identifier applies to almost anywhere in one of our country’s major cities, such as Tucson, the Kidnap Capitol of North America. Add to that the fact that our public schools actively teach “Victimology” at each and every grade level, and we have the makings of further events very similar to this one.

      All parents should teach their children that “The Police are just Minutes Away when Seconds Count” and that none of their friends and neighbors are responsible for their safety. “Government” obviously can’t protect anyone, since it can’t even protect it’s own officials. Even “Presidents” have been and can be assassinated.

      Get a gun, learn to use it properly, keep it handy while in your home and carry it with you when you leave your home. That’s as close to “safety” as any of us can hope to get…

      • Doug Rodrigues

        Actually, the Supreme Court has previously ruled that the Police aren’t even responsible for your safety, but only to investigate crime, apprehend the criminal, and bring the criminal to Justice….period. The police cannot be sued for failing to protect you. You are your first line of defense, not the police. If you’re a woman, you can own a gun and know how to properly use it while calling for the police, OR you can place all of your faith in the only telephone and pray the police get there before the criminal gets to you.

    • ted

      The anti-gunners reply that if more folks had guns in Tucson, there would had been a shoot out, and the police would have known who was the ‘bad’ guy.
      Ridiculous, but that is their argument.

      • ted

        That should have said….the police would NOT have known…

  • Bert Cundle

    WHEN CHURCH RULES: All we will have, is prayer, for defense!

    • Aix Sponsa

      These discussions always bring out the trolls.
      If all guns suddenly disappeared, the bad guys would have knives, pipes, chunks of wood, rocks, and fists and feet to oppress victims. The problem is not too many guns, it is the dregs of society that find crime expedient. Our local judges have a revolving door policy on crime and the dregs operate with impunity. My friend has arrested one meth dealer at least 6 times last year, and the guy has yet to spend even one night in jail. Same for residential burglaries. Elderly residents are afraid to go to the doctor without having a house sitter to guard their possessions. Disgusting.

      • Christin

        Aix,
        Not all law enforcement provide police protection… some provide police brutality… dirty cops. They’d just as soon arrest you than follow the law… heck they break the law themselves.

        Some repeat criminals may get off with out a hitch and some law abiding citizens are harrassed by aggressive verbally, mentally, and physically abusive cops. It is money they are after and if you have it they want it from YOU.

        Our so-called Justice system is a nightmare and a cash cow for cities and counties to pay for their outrageously high budgets.

  • Johnny Glock

    Please Note: The current administration wants to do away with the
    U.S. Constitution. The last administration also made a dent in the Constitution pertaining to our freedoms. If we let these administrations Nit-Pic our constitution to pieces we will not be any better than the rest of the Turd world countries with two-bit dictators.
    This is the United States of America…..Let’s keep it —It’s up to us, the American people, Yea–WE THE PEOPLE. If you want to be free, and want your children & grandkids to be free and grow up in a free country as we did, than it’s up to us to maintain it and fight (if necessary) to keep it. GOD BLESS AMERICA & LONG LIVE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

  • JohnnyK

    Ahh, just like the wild west again. Pretty soon, we can go down to the local bar and watch the shoot outs.

    • independant thinker

      You need to study history somewhere besides hollywood shoot-um-ups. The old west was actualy rather peaceful overall some say even more peaceful than today.

      • 45caliber

        True.

        Further, the western towns were never “buffaloed” as they show in some movies, particularly early ones. After the Dalton gang was shot up so badly, a reporter interviewed one of the men doing the shooting. He was asked if he wasn’t afraid to get into a gun battle like that.

        He replied that it broke the monotony.

        If some bad guy did come to a town and caused a problem, he seldom left town. The good guys didn’t challenge him to a shootout in the street. They used a shotgun on his back if necessary. All the “bad” gunmen in the old west were quite polite.

        • JC

          In the short history of Dodge City, 6 people were shot to death.
          Just 6. And all were shot by law enforcement.

          • 45caliber

            One old West shootout I always liked occured here in Texas along the border. Some band of outlaws was riding into town after a successful robbery when an old man started crossing the street. One of them said something like, “Watch this,” pulled out his gun and killed the old man.

            Later they were on the porch of the local saloon when they noticed an old woman walking down the street carrying a shotgun. She stopped in front of them and said, “You killed my man. And he was all I had!” She let the outlaw have both barrels. The rest felt bad enough about it that they took up a collection for her and warned everyone else in town to leave the old woman alone – or else.

    • JC

      Another one who was educated by the boob tube.
      Genuine history doesn’t support your “wild west” theory at all.

    • Vicki

      The only shootouts are in Hollywood movies. It’s called DRAMA. Even the shootout at the O.K. Corral was in and around a BARN not a bar.

      http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/shootout-at-the-ok-corral

    • http://americansforguns.com AmericansForGunsdotcom

      “Ahh, just like the wild west again. Pretty soon, we can go down to the local bar and watch the shoot outs.”
      ==========
      You folks have been rambling on about that for years. Same old regurgitated rhetoric feeding the next nest of Brady drones who never bother to actually check a fact or read the actual statistics.

      My state has had CCW since 2004. We have yet to see these show downs your ilk keep chattering on about.

  • clackajohn

    We need to have all the laws straightened out across the country. I recently returned from a trip across the northern side of the US with my handgun by my side and probably broke laws about concealed carry in every one of the 19 states I traveled in but my own. Fortunately nobody asked any dumb questions.

  • Glenn Lewis

    I have a permits to carry in NV and Utah, and now living in Colorado, carry off of my other permits. I have carried for 12 years or so and have never had an issue. I carry not because I’m afarid, but because I DON’T WANT TO BE AFFRAID. My wife has been trained (and has the similar permits) and she also carries and we both feel comfortable when she has to travel or go to town alone. When going to get permits for CO the sheriff’s office suggested I wait until my Utah permit expired (which is later than NV) and then get the CO permit and save my money until then. People who are trained and carry legally are ones who make being in public safer.

    • 45caliber

      I agree.

  • Aix Sponsa

    My comment was incorrectly placed above.
    These discussions always bring out the trolls.
    If all guns suddenly disappeared, the bad guys would have knives, pipes, chunks of wood, rocks, and fists and feet to oppress victims. The problem is not too many guns, it is the dregs of society that find crime expedient. Our local judges have a revolving door policy on crime and the dregs operate with impunity. My friend has arrested one meth dealer at least 6 times last year, and the guy has yet to spend even one night in jail. Same for residential burglaries. Elderly residents are afraid to go to the doctor without having a house sitter to guard their possessions. Disgusting.

    • 45caliber

      We have the best law system in the world … for a lawyer.

      When someone commits a crime, he is generally arrested the same day. (over 80% of the time) The police are good. He then has to hire a lawyer or is appointed one. The lawyer can get the trial stretched out for at least two years if he tries hard enough. Steady pay. The criminal goes to trial and is then convicted. That gives the lawyer as much as ten more years of income while he appeals. The judge and the prosecutors are in the same pay even if paid by the taxpayer. Then the criminal gets out due to parole, etc. early – and can start the while cycle all over again.

      The only thing to stop it is if some homeowner shoots the criminal. That upsets the lawyers because then they have to get a new client.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        The laws are written of, by, and for the lawyers. Justice and the Law and it’s manipulation of, are two diffrent entities. Just ask anyone who has been through the Divorce Court System.

        • 45caliber

          That’s correct.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Gunner689,
          About 37 years ago, been there, done that, got the t shirt!!!

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            You mean the courts let you keep your Tee shirt ? Lucky you !!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            gunner689,
            On the day I went to court, there was a standing warrant on her in the state of Michigan, so she didn’t show!!!

      • thinking

        There are more lawyers in the U.S.A. then the rest of the world combined, We have more laws then the rest of the world combined and the richest people in this country are?

  • ted

    It is the difference between Democrats and Republicans:
    Republicans believe folks should take care of themselves, while
    Democrats believe the government should take care of them.

  • Bert Cundle

    Democrats and Republicans)))))))))((((((((
    DEATY Mocks Aristracs: ( in Nature.)= Democrats.
    Refering to Public Rule: ( Government.) = Republicins

    • independant thinker

      Huh

  • pat

    WELL WHO DO YOU THINK WILL FOLLOW THIS LAW THE GUY THAT WANTS TO KILL SOMEONE OR THE REGULAR LAW ABIDING PERSON.WITH THIS LAW ONLY COPS AND CROOKS WILL CARRY GUNS.I HOPE YOU FEEL SAFE WITH THIS LAW IN YOUR STATE.

  • NoMoreMarxistsInDC

    $7500.00 is not nearly enough for false arrest and false imprisonment. It should have been $750,000. A few of those and the taxpayers will demand the cops to start taking lessons on what the US Constitution says.

  • Doug Rodrigues

    The gun restricting Wisconsin politicians obviously have no common sense to not realize that laws are only followed by law abiding citizens. All the laws of the land which restrict guns have no effect upon criminals, but much effect on potential unarmed law abiding victims.

  • http://StarTrecPROGRAM PETE LAUTREC

    A LOT OF GREAT ‘REAL AMERICAN’ COMMENTS ABOVE!!! AS A RETIRED GUNSMITH WHO TAUGHT “HOME DEFENSE HANDGUNNING” (with a sub-focus on shotgun work as well), I USED TO TELL THE STUDENTS “98% OF A DEFENSE ENCOUNTER IS KNOWING HOW/WHEN NOT-T-T-T TO SHOOT!” AND THAT EACH CITIZEN HAS TO BE MENTALLY ‘ON-TOP’ OF A POSSIBLE DEFENSE SITUATION! AS WELL AS, HAVING YOUR PROPERTY ‘ARMED’ WITH “TACTICAL-APPROACHES” (Aka. squeaky doors/stair steps, aimed mirrors in tactical locations, a PRE-encounter plan with ALLL family members pre-trained on what to do). AND DO NOT FORGET TO REMEMBER, PRE-ASKING YOUR NEIGHBORS TO “CALL P.D.” IFFFFF THEY SEE/HEAR SOMETHING! IF-F-F-F ‘we’ WOULD TRAIN-N-N-N APPLYING PERSONS, ON THE TOTAL ARENA OF SELF-DEFENSE, THEY WOULD AUTOMATICALLY COME TO SEE HOW MUCH RESPONSIBILITY AND HOW DANGEROUS IT IS TO COMFORTABLY CARRY IF-F-F-F YOU DO NOT HAVE THE COMPLETE PICTURE OF WHAT IS-S-S-S A “GOOD-SHOOTING/ BAD-SHOOTING”! NAMELY GET TRAINING AND-D-D-D PRACTICE! AND NOT-T-T ONE MAGAZINE OF AMMO PER YEAR, LIKE SOME CHEAP-oides FANTASIZE!!! BUT-T-T SADLY “out here” IN WISCONSIN,,, “IT’LL NEVER HAPPEN TO ME”, as well as,, “HOW ‘BOUT THEMMM PAKKERZ-Z-Z-Z NOW-W-W-W-W!” IS THE PRIME FOCI OF MOST “CITIZENS”! BLINDSIDED BY CONSTANT INFECTION OF ‘SPORTS, SPORTS, AND MORE-E-E-E SPORTS’ SINCE CHILDHOOD! AND SADLY THERE IS IN REALITY LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE “DEMO-crapps” OR THE “RE-PUBICANS”. NONE OF ‘THEM’ ARE REALLY ON OUR SIDE!WHAT IS SHOCKING TO ME,, IS HOW W-H-E-N A “citizen” (who was AGAINST ‘C-C-W’ all his life!) IS ATTACKED,, HE RUNS OUT AND BUYS A CRAPPY .25 AUTO, WITH NO-O-O-O TRAINING, SINCE “I DON’T WANT TO KILL ANYBODY!” WELLLLLL, “mr.”,, HE’S GONNA HURT YOU-U-U!!! SO WHAT’S THE PROBLEM? SHOOT THE BASTARD AND NOT-T-T WITH A .25 CAL. POOR POOR AMERICA!!!!

  • http://none Alex

    The stupid Second Amendment VERY CLEARLY states “….well-regulated militia…”.

    Therefore, it is UNConstitutional to fight common sense laws meant to regulate our embarrassing gun culture.

    We must reinstate the assault weapons ban, close the gun show loophole, and have all weapons registered with state, local, and federal officials. Just like the worn-out constitution, written by our slaveowning Floundering Fathers, says.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Alice: What part of “Shall not be Infringed” don’t you understand?

      The first 10 Ammendments in the Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights, refer to the rights of the individual citizen. The Second Ammendment exists to give the citizen, not only the right of self defense, but to oppose a tyranical gvt. as a last resort.

      • Vicki

        Gunner689 writes:
        “The Second Ammendment exists to give the citizen, not only the right of self defense, but to oppose a tyranical gvt. as a last resort.”

        Not to give the right for that implies the power to take the right away. The 2nd Amendment PROTECTS a Creator given right to do the things you listed.

    • JimH

      Alex, The definition of militia was different in 1776 than it is now. If you understand what the meaning of militia was then it will all come together for you now.

    • JC

      Tell that to the Jews, the Ukranians, the Rwandans, the Ugandans andCambodians who were rounded up and murdered by their own governments…and were completely at their mercy for lack of guns.

      “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED”
      PERIOD!

    • JC

      My God, but you are a complete statist moron.
      Read some damned history.

    • Vicki

      Alex writes in error:
      “The stupid Second Amendment VERY CLEARLY states “….well-regulated militia…”.
      Therefore, it is UNConstitutional to fight common sense laws meant to regulate our embarrassing gun culture.”

      Alex please demand your money back for the education you were given. The 2nd amendment does indeed VERY CLEARLY state that the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to KEEP and BEAR arms shall not be infringed. It then lists a well regulated militia as only ONE of the reasons for this right to exist.

      Now just for amusement let us pretend like the 2nd did protect the right of a militia member to keep and bear arms. Let us ignore the fact that such an interpretation would be a statement of a privilege granted by government to an individual rather than a right of the people.

      In such a scenario all of your “common sense” gun prohibitions would STILL be unconstitutional because every able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45 is in the militia.

      “The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. ”
      http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/311.html

      Note the reference to the National Guard as a separate entity clearly shows that the National Guard is NOT the militia.

    • http://americansforguns.com AmericansForGunsdotcom

      “The stupid Second Amendment VERY CLEARLY states “….well-regulated militia…”.

      Therefore, it is UNConstitutional to fight common sense laws meant to regulate our embarrassing gun culture.

      We must reinstate the assault weapons ban, close the gun show loophole, and have all weapons registered with state, local, and federal officials. Just like the worn-out constitution, written by our slaveowning Floundering Fathers, says.
      =======================

      1. ‘regulated’ yet the right is not to be ‘infringed’.

      2. The ‘assault’ weapon ban did absolutely squat against crime. Anyone denying that is deluded. Most gun crimes are not committed with big rifles on that list but with handguns. The whole thing was a feel good measure by Bill Clinton to make it seem like his worthless *** was actually doing something productive other than getting head in the oval office.

      3. Since you have such disdain for our Constitution and our founding fathers, men who were not perfect and made mistakes, maybe you should pack your bags and get out of our country. There are exits at every border.

  • http://com i41

    Alex, where did you get a education from, Russia, China, or some other dictator run country. Maybe USA should control drug users and dealers like China did decades ago, make the offenders worm food, not repeat offenders and a cheap cure.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      He probably got it here at one of our fine public school indocrination centers, run by gvt. beuracrats and liberal minded teachers, trained by liberal professors at a liberal university. That’s why all my grandchildren go to private school.

  • Paul

    It is now Spring in Wisconsin. Does anyone know when the Wisconsin Concealed Carry bill will be brought up for a vote? I would like to see Governor Walker sign a CC bill into law by the end of April, 2011. Shall we all read the 2nd Amendment again?

  • Randy

    I hope the bill comes soon. And I hope it’s shall-issue. Sure we can open carry, but the moment you do, someone scared of guns calls police on you. Concealed carry is the respectful option. And you should never give up the tactical advantage the element of surprise gives.

  • http://americansforguns.com AmericansForGunsdotcom

    For the Brady drones who claim that law abiding gunpackers dont make a difference;
    http://www.whiotv.com/video/28315602/index.html

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