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Will the New Congress Have the Guts to Do It?

December 31, 2010 by  

Will the New Congress Have the Guts to Do It?

Here we are on the final day of 2010. It’s a time of reflection, as we look back on the past 12 months and look ahead to the next 12. In fact, the month of January is named for the Roman god Janus who, thanks to two faces, was able to look forward and backward simultaneously.
                  
Looking back, I would have to say that the most pleasant surprise of 2010 was the astounding success of Tea Party candidates in the November elections. I’m still amazed that what began as a handful of rallies and occasionally uncivil “meet the candidate” meetings grew into a gigantic uprising against bloated, big-spending government.

Even as millions of newly aroused voters headed to the polls, the mainstream media continued to demonstrate how out-of-the-mainstream they really are, by dismissing the Tea Party as an insignificant bunch of racist malcontents.

But ignoring them didn’t work. And smearing them only caused their numbers to grow. By the evening of Nov. 3, the truth could no longer be denied — something new had happened in America. And a lot of the old guard, who had practiced “pork as usual” on Capitol Hill for many decades, found themselves swept out of office.
How sweet it was!

Ah, but while campaigning can be tough — the smears, the innuendos, the microscopic investigation of everything a candidate has ever said or done are enough to dissuade most mortals from ever running for office — actually doing what you promised can be even harder.

The 112th Congress will be sworn into office next week. Each and every Senator and Representative will take a solemn oath to “preserve and protect” the Constitution of the United States of America. Very soon thereafter we’ll see how many of them actually meant it.

Two key issues will come up almost at once. The first will be a new budget bill. As I’ve discussed in previous columns, nearly a dozen different appropriation bills were introduced in the last Congress. Not a single one of them passed.

So the Democrats in charge tried to pull off quite a stunt in the closing days of the recent and unlamented lame duck session. Senate Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), and the White House agreed to combine everything they wanted into one gigantic 1,924 page legislative package. There was something in it for everyone. One columnist called it “one oozing ball of pork and bad policy, going beyond even the obscene budget of 2000.”

It was all of that and more. One of the bill’s sponsors was Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), who has proven many times that he is a wily and sly strategist. This time was no exception. As a “favor” to his Republican friends on the other side of the aisle, Inouye and his staff dug out every earmark request they could find that a Republican had ever requested. No matter if they had long since abandoned such pork; they decided to cram it all into the new bill.

Word is that by the time they got done there were more than 6,000 earmarks in the new legislation. No one knows the exact number, because by the time the Frankenstein’s monster came up for a vote, no one had had a chance to read it. Which was just how Reid and his cohorts wanted it.

Two of the toughest conservatives in the Senate — Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and Jim DeMint of South Carolina — came up with a great stalling tactic, however. They proposed that before a vote could be taken on the measure, the entire thing — all 1,924 pages of it — had to be read out loud to the assembled Senators.

When he finally realized he didn’t have the votes to squash debate and ram the measure through, Sir Harry finally threw in the towel. Instead of Reid’s nearly 2,000 page monstrosity, Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell introduced a one-page resolution that would maintain spending levels for all departments at then-current levels for the next 60 days. There would be no new increases (such as the billion bucks the Dems wanted so they could start funding ObamaCare). But no cuts, either — something almost every Republican had promised the folks back home.

Facing the inevitable, Reid allowed a vote on the measure. A majority quickly said “aye,” then headed home for the holidays. The House approved the measure later that day on a 193-165 vote. (Yes, I know that only adds up to 358 votes. What can I tell you? Seems that 77 of your representatives pleaded they had a plane to catch and left early.)

So the 111th Congress is now history. And a pretty sad one it is. The latest Gallup poll, taken in the final days of the lame-duck session, showed that the approval rating of Congress hit an all-time low of 13 percent. Is there any profession anywhere in more disrepute?

What happens next? We’re about to find out, folks. Look for the fireworks to start soon after the new Congress takes their seats next week.

Among the many issues they’ll have to address fairly soon is raising the debt ceiling once again. Even without any new spending, total U.S. public debt continues to grow by more than $100 billion a month. This means it will approach the mandated limit of $14.3 trillion sometime in March. If Congress does not agree to raise the ceiling, the Treasury will not be able to continue issuing new debt.

I can already hear the near-hysteria in the popular press about what refusing to raise the debt ceiling would mean. After all, we have to keep the government operating, don’t we? We can’t have an “emergency” shut down of vital government services, can we?

One congressman you know is going to stand fast is Dr. Ron Paul of Texas. A few days ago, he issued this blunt warning:

“If the new Congress gives in to establishment pressure and media alarmism about shutting down the government by voting to increase the debt ceiling once again, you will know that the status quo has prevailed. You will know that Congress, despite the rhetoric of the midterm elections, is doing business as usual. You will know that the simple notion of balancing the budget by limiting federal spending to federal revenue remains a shallow and laughable campaign platitude.”

As you can see, the lines in the sand are already being drawn. I’ll be reporting on many of the battles in future columns. But for now, let me ask you something: In the coming contests, which side will your congressman be on? If you don’t know the answer — or even who he or she is — you’re not part of the solution. You’re part of the problem.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Claire

    Which side will my congressman be on? Tough call. A person should and must do all the research they can on a candidate but many of these candidates “change” the minute they take a higher office and then the next thing we know they caved in and voted for the opposite of what they professed to do. Do any of us truly know what the elected person will do when elected? This issue can be debatable especially since one never knows exactly what our congressmen will do once they are elected and take office. They promise all sorts of solutions but will they have the guts to stand up for them? Will they definitely take the bull by the horns and do what is correct? Or will they go “with the flow?” I have to admit that my confidence in the two-party system and a lot of the candidates they have put forth is severely shaken. Too much has happened that makes me distrustful of what all politicians say. Democrat or Republican, can I trust them? At this point in time, I don’t think I can. I do not want to be part of the problem, therefore I must do my best to vote for a person I think will be the best choice. And in view of this comment I have posted, my vote will have to be for a staunch Conservative, a hard-nose candidate with no more lofty ideas for bigger government and a bigger deficit. A candidate that will shoot from the hip (figuratively speaking) and put America’s economy, jobs, and its military first and foremost.

    • william

      its realy quite simple Claire. if they dont do what you elected them to do elect some one else next time. I have heard so many IDIOTS say well if you get some one else they may be worse. whilt thats very true they just might be the people we are looking for,

      • Claire

        Simple? Maybe, but we have to endure the candidate’s term before we can elect any new people. Both parties need a good housecleaning. Consider the Koch brothers as well—the people that are behind the shenanigans.

        • Proud to be a Christian

          In my district, our Congressman does exactly what we tell him to do that is why he is still in office and we check his voting record on everything. He correspondes with we who are on the internet weekly asking questions and gives us what his poles show and votes that way. Too bad you all don’t have control of yours.

          • Claire

            It is sad that some of us do not have control over our congressmen. My congressmen/women don’t even reply to my emails, letters, etc. They used to years ago sometimes but not anymore.

          • Bruce D.

            I am curious. Who is your Congressman Robert?

          • Granny Mae

            If you really want to know what the problem is in this country check out these voters!
            go to LenoJaywalking.wmv

        • Tom from Idaho

          That’s right, claire, these guys get a six year term – - a lot of damage can be done by a band of the wrong clowns in office. Obama only has a four year term and look at the damage he’s done in only two years; it’s scary.

          • working man

            It is amazing how when your congressman/woman is in their
            district, how they can so easily relate to us lowly shlubs.
            I mean, they tell us they can relate to our problems, they
            know how we feel, and bygolly, yessiree-Bob, they will
            respresent US when they get to Capital Hill, yessireee.

            Of course, the instant they arrive in Washington, DC, they
            are more concerned what the national media elites will say
            about them, and then they bow to the powerful few that run
            this nation, and they forget about us and why we sent them
            there to represent us.

            I say let us clean house and start all over again. The
            new people we sent to DC to represent us can’t do any worse
            than the idiots we have there already.

        • http://Illinois'17th William

          The worrisome part of the puzzle is the fact that the SAME nit wit leadership that was part of the problem the last time they were in power, still are in power and “leadership” positions.

          They should not put Boehner in charge of the House. Bachman would be much better, or even better yet, Ron Paul.

          As far as the Senate DeMint would be a good one to lead the minority Republicans.

          Anyway you look at it, the current “leadership” must be elimintated.

          • Bus

            I don’t think our founders wanted to have career politicians and I believe that lies at the root of many of our problems. Leaving them in too long lets them establish a seniority system, a medical program, and a retirement, which means that getting re-elected is job one. We got rid of Bennett in Utah in the primary and you should see how Hatch is trying to kiss up to everyone. But hopefully he is next on the block. I think we vote any senator out after their second term and every Rep after 4 terms. Only if we send them back to the private sector to live under the regulations and policies they have created can we clean up the system. They could be helpful in the process by passing a term limit amendment.

          • Bruce D.

            All good choices William.

          • Bruce D.

            I think this is a very well written article Chip. I like your thought process and the quote by Ron Paul exceptional.

          • http://yahoo richard

            bus, we already have term limits it’s called election day

    • Al Sieber

      I pretty much agree with you Claire, “Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss”, and I hear people say, just wait until 2012 we’ll show them, same $hit, different a$$hole, I’m 61 and tired of being lied to, taxed, regulated,etc., to death. tired of waiting for some savior while we lose our rights, by the time Obama leaves office we won’t recognize this country.

      • John Wayne

        Al, I must agree with you. Politics is a big business and to flourish in government, you must regulate more and more until you compleyely take over. Roosevelt started it and we have lost gradually until we arrive at where we are today. Congress will NEVER de-regulate anything! With exception of the repeal of Prohibition, what have you seen the government repeal? Obamacare is as safe as Fort Knox. We will finish becoming a socialist nation at the end of Obama’s second term . . . God Help Us! (OOPS, I can’t say that . . . It’s not “politically correct”)

        • jim

          I hate to rain on the parade here but “deregulation”, starting with the airline industry during the Reagan administration and continuing through the banking industry, has certainly been done, and is not the panacea you describe.

          • ValDM

            You forgot the phone companies. We used to have very reliable service at a reasonable cost. Since deregulation, with so many providers, the costs have skyrocketed. Not to mention we would never have had the MCI/Worldcom fiasco.

          • Dagney

            “Regulation” is a government-speak word for people in power picking winners and losers. DE-regulation is exactly what is needed and LAWS that exist on the books need to be ENFORCED. Regulations have only been made to keep little guys down and the big cronies of government criminals in power. If we get rid of the evil hacks, DE-Regulate, elect prinicpled Constitutional-observing PUBLIC SERVANTS who will ensure LAWS are enforced, not crony-capitalist regulations, we would see such a surge in our economy like never seen in our lifetimes.

            Yes, DE-REGULATION is EXACTLY the answer!

          • DaveH

            For Free Markets, Limited Government, Personal Responsibility, and Individual Freedom — Vote Libertarian:
            http://libertarianparty.org/platform

          • DaveH

            You aren’t raining on anybody’s parade, Jim. In fact, as usual, the Liberal Forecast is wrong. As a result of airline-deregulation, millions of people, who hitherto couldn’t afford to fly, joined the wealthy elite in the time-saving event of flying to their destinations instead of spending long hours in the car (at a much greater risk of death).
            For enlightenment:
            http://mises.org/econsense/ch53.asp

          • http://yahoo richard

            it wasn’t deregulation that caused the problem it was frank and dodd with fanny mae and freddy mac

        • Tom SC

          You have forgoten back in the 70s they deregulated gasoline when it was aprox. 37cents and in a years time it more than doubled and hasn’t stopped rising since.

          • DaveH

            Quite the contrary. During the late 70s, when Carter was president, the energy markets were heavily regulated. Gasoline prices were climbing over $1.30 a gallon by the end of Carter’s reign. Then Reagan rescinded many of the regulations and gasoline dropped in price and stayed around $1.10 a gallon for about 15 years.
            Here is a historical chart of gasoline prices in nominal dollars and in real dollars (adjusted for inflation):
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/boredzo/3045823858/

          • DaveH

            Brief history of energy regulations:
            http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/energy/regulations

          • DaveH

            The question in my mind is “do you Liberals honestly believe what you say, or is it purposeful misinformation?”

          • Karolyn

            Geez, Dave, why would you even ask that question? Anything I say is said in all honesty, and I know that some things I get wrong, but when I’m saying them, I believe them to be right. I don’t understand why you would believe anybody would perposely misinform others on a blog comment site. What would be the purpose? Maybe that is a bit naive of me; however, I always look for honesty and goodness in all.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – While it is admirable to always look for honesty and goodness in everyone, we were also given the ability to discern. As long as we live in a dual reality, good and evil, right and wrong will exist. There will be people who outright lie for whatever reason, and there are those who are ignorant and those who are simple.

            Allowing one’s Pollyanna outlook to cloud one’s vision is a big part of the problem we have in America. Naievete benefits no one. It makes one suseptible to all manner of illusion, delusion and deception.

            I would think that you are old enough to realize that by now.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – I may be old, but I’m not jaded. I prefer to believe in good and that’s that. I would rather be trusting and possibly pay the consequences than afraid of what’s under every rock. And I am not stupid.

          • kate8

            No one is talking about being afraid, Karolyn. And being aware is not the same as being jaded.

            Knowledge is power. Seeing clearly empowers us to make right decisions. Decisions based on ignorance take us down a bad road.

          • kate8

            Besides, Karolyn. I am not the one who is fearful. You are very frightened of the truth. You cannot face it, so you bury your head in the sand and refuse to see it.

            I have aquaintences who are Russian immigrants, and they clearly see what is afoot in America. They can’t believe we Americans are so blind. They are seeing the same conditions coming about that caused them to leave Russia.

            I don’t mean to be hard on you, but I see that you are, in your heart, seeking that which is hidden. But you lack congruence, and until you resolve that, that which you are will not be revealed to you.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            Two guys walk up to you and demand your purse. You say “This is my money, not yours, you have no right to take it”. They say “Okay, we’ll take a vote and you can vote too”. Right or wrong? Okay, now let’s make that number 100 guys. Right or wrong? A million guys? 100 million guys? If you can see my point, maybe, Karolyn, you just aren’t a Liberal.
            It’s truly amazing to me what people can rationalize if they get together in a big enough mob.

      • TIME

        Al & Claire,

        I will give them some time I am not on the follow the media band wagon with what they are now claming wil or will not be done.

        One can’t judge anything just yet, though a few signs have been posted by a some that have been in the DC Belt Way MOLD ~ perhaps far too long and they may need a good push out of the nest.
        Yet I still have to allow them to go either one way or the other to make a call as if I were to make such a call it would make me no differant than the mutton heads on the Telie.

        As we all konw the media hype and or what ever one wants to call it has started, and it was going full force from day one after the November elections.
        So I place ZERO Value on our media’s worth in all respects, they have an agenda and YOU as Americans are not in their focus.
        They all work for the “New World Order” ~ rather YOU like it or not, so don’t expect anything from the media and you will not be let down.

        • Pat R

          Washington cannot be fixed!! It does not matter who is elected or how decent a person they are; nothing will be solved. The corruption is so vile that “Ajax” won’t cut it!
          We have a re-inhabited de Jure government in place right now. These are Christian leaders who believe in the original Constitutional Government that our Founding Fathers set up many yrs. ago. These offices have been sitting vacant since the UNITED STATES CORPORATION was established in 1871.
          Thanks to FDR; We the People are the wealthiest people. As of today, each American with a Social Security Number (Name in all Capital Letters) has a worth of $308,000,000. This amount is in each persons
          trust Account.

          HAPPY NEW YEAR all of you newly enlightened millionaires.

      • http://Illinois'17th William

        Al:

        What makes you think Der Fuhrer intends to ever leave “office”? An eight year “constitutional” term limit? The constitution went out the window when that Kenyan was sworn in. He has been laying the foundation since at least January 21, 2009.

        • Bus

          He’s taking his cues from his mentor Chavez. He got control of the internet, next he’ll ask Congress to give him dictatorial power. Or maybe he doesn’t need to, just use the many agencies and bureaucracies to rule by fiat. Luckily we still have fairly free elections.

        • Al Sieber

          William, you mean Dictator for life?

      • Carole Howell

        I suggest all here listen to this interview

        peterbcollins.com/2010/08/24/the-world

        If all is true, Gordan Duff explains the causes of many of our problems.

    • patrick H.T. paine

      “To conquer, first divide.”

      Not in the book or movie, “Patton”.

      Breaking news: No shot fired! Amidst all this mental masturbation,
      a week plus back, the “lone gunman” bemoaned the fact that if only
      he had someone beside him ( sidekick? ) he would fire the first shot.
      He ( as these forums go? ) had a few offers, yet the guns are silent.

      26 CFR 31.3402 (p) Voluntary Withholding Agreements
      see 26 USC 3402 Cornell Law Library, hit CFR link, and read!!!!!

      UCC 1-207 Reservation of Rights

      The Uniform Commercial Code, FEDERAL LAW and also adopted by
      every State and/or Commonwealth in its entirety, with the exception
      of Louisianna ( partial adoption ) requires you to “reserve” any
      rights you THINK you might have, prior to your actually needing
      them. This effectively changed “law (common) and equity” courts,
      see Article 3, to Admiralty and Maritime jurisdictions…..so now,
      you only have those rights that the STATE, says you have despite
      what any constitution or the bill of rights, STATE or FEDERAL, may
      seem to suggest?

      Ever wonder why Article One, section 10 which prohibits states from
      coining Money, or making anyTHING but gold and silver coin a tender
      in payment of debt, has never actually come up in ANY courtroom,
      or made it to an appeals court or the SUPREME COURT?

      How is it possible to PAY any tax or fine, or any other fee imposed
      by the “several states”, without violating the SUPREME LAW of the
      LAND? ( see Article 6, U.S. Constitution )

      This understanding ( all of the above ) are the “nuclear weapons”
      available to every “individual educated citizen”, but this knowledge
      can not be obtained on sites like this, or from Ron Paul, the
      libertarian party, et al. ( no lawyer can help you here because
      every lawyer is required to be a member of the bar to PRACTICE
      and is restrained by “contempt” threats if these issues are raised
      in a court of (law?)!!!!!! (except in Vermont, no bar mem required)
      They don’t teach this in Law School…..gee wonder why.

      Applied “knowledge is power.”

      Unlike those gallant young bucks looking for the next Alamo, ( with
      a sidekick or two and the rather inglorious death that is sure to
      follow), employing “strategies” of this type is low risk, low key
      and individually rewarding. In fact, it can be done with an
      air of questioning innocence.

      With a valid “reservation of rights” in place, one can now rely on
      the Constitution to challenge the “jurisdiction” of any court, (prior
      to entering a plea: one never pleads in any court to any charge since
      this “act” effectively grants the court implicit “jurisdiction” to
      try the matter.) This will force the judge to “unlawfully assume”
      jurisdiction ( which is a criminal act for all involved subject
      to 18 USC 241 and 242 ) or dismiss.

      If it is not “dismissed”, and you are found guilty ( fined ), this
      ends with the rather humorous question: ( promissary note )

      “Gee, I am confused judge, but are YOU ordering me to violate
      the SUPREME LAW of the LAND?” ( all of this, sets up the “appeals
      process” which is the thing most feared by everyone in government,
      since 1939, and while a judge did screw up re: 26 CFR 31.3402 (p)
      precedent in the 9th District Court of Appeals, Article One,Section 10
      section is the “holy grail”.)

      and yes Virginia, I did THIS TOO!!!!!

      P.S. Don’t expect publicity, fan fare, applause or anything else,
      because chances are no one but YOU will know you won, and your
      reward will be………exemption from civil fines and/or whatever
      other fee’s, taxes etc. use your imagination. ( warning: not a protection against inflation.)

      The magic words for you are: “Case Dismissed!”

      “The revolution will NOT be televised.”

      Not to be found in the book or movie, “Patton.”

      New books to read: “The Mendacity of Hope.”

      Extremely important:” Ratification, The People Debate the Constitution, 1787-1788″; Pauline Maier

      • http://Illinois'17th William

        Patrick:

        That was quite a dissertation. I would have really enjoyed sitting in the front row of the courtroom where you applied this approach.

        If enough of the citizenry used this tactic it would eventually make the “news”.

        I would assume you are a lawyer, or used to be?

        Well Done!

        • Dan az

          William
          Check out this site!
          http://teamlaw.org/

          • Average Joe

            Dan,

            Thanks again for spreading the info available from Team Law which will help to awaken the masses!

            Patrick,
            Thank you for attempting to spread the same “truths” (as Team law) to the average person ….whether or not they choose to recognize these options that are available to them is yet to be seen…but we can hope.
            Some of us have already awakened, some are awakening….unfortunately…many more will never wake up for fear of having their basic beliefs shaken at the very core.

            Bravo to both of you for at least trying!

          • kate8

            Dan az – Love the site. I highly recommend it to everyone.

          • Al Sieber

            Dan, interesting about the coyote husky mix, my girlfriend use to raise wolves years ago near Holbrook Ariz. the last one died a few years ago, it lived 16 years. my girlfriend is the only woman that I know that can stay away from civilization without it bothering her. and I’m working 12 miles away by a rugged dirt road on another project, she gets to keep the Ruger Mini-14 though, for her protection, and the dogs.

      • hflashman

        OMG …. taking the UCC (applicable only to commerical transactions and commerce contracts) and stating it applies to all cases and all jurisdictions outside the stated purpose…then assuming a court has to ‘assume’ jurisdiction? (FYI…a court decides if it has jurisdiction in a case. It never has to “assume” jurisdiction.)

        OK…this guy makes the usual wacked lunatics on this board look sane.

        • DaveH

          The “usual wacked lunatics” know, Flashdunce, that you have no credibility.

        • Dan az

          Flash
          Why dont you get the facts before you open your mouth Try reading them!
          http://teamlaw.org/

          • Average Joe

            Dan,
            Because “flushed” likes being a “Rebel without a clue”…..enough said.

          • hflashman

            You’ve got to be kidding…right? You believe that crap this site spews? Seriously ?

          • kate8

            flash – Please give one reason why anyone should listen to YOU instead.

            What are your credentials for such vast knowledge and insight? LOL. Because by everything I’ve read coming from you shows only that you are clueless.

          • Average Joe

            flushed,
            As opposed to listening believing you? Seriously?…..ROTFLMFAO!
            Go ahead…pour yourself another bowl of stupid….you do it justice… and wear it well.

          • Al Sieber

            Dan, good website, especially about Patent Land that’s what I have, I own all the mineral rights, water,timber, etc.

          • Dan az

            Hey Al
            Did you get snow? Right now its -8 deg. here with the wind chill its -23 now thats cold so much for the global warming!

          • Dan az

            And every one thank average joe for the site I got it from him! thanks again joe!

          • Average Joe

            Dan az,
            Thank you for the honerable mention (although not nessasary)…I am just glad to see the information out there…and being used by people wanting to know the truth.

          • Al Sieber

            Dan, snow in the mountains all around me, temp. 29* low, high 45*, Al Gore lied.

          • Al Sieber

            And thanks A. Joe for the website.

          • DaveH

            Al,
            We hit -1 deg here last night.

          • Dan az

            Hey Al
            It got down to -8 last night and at the canyon air port -26 without wind chill Had to use the doggy door to get out,to chip the ice.

          • kate8

            Happy New Year, Guys.

            Woke up to snow here, too. It’s been a really cold, wet winter here so far this year.

          • Karolyn

            Dan – So much for global warming? So many people love to use that when weather turns particularly cold. However, summers have also been particularly hot. Here in SC last summer was one of the hottest on record. Check out this link.
            http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter

          • Dan az

            Kate
            you to and all of yours!

          • Al Sieber

            Dan, -8 is cold, it would freeze all my pipes. theres a storm heading this way Monday.

          • Dan az

            Hey Al
            Any thing below 0 deg. all fells the same,Pain and more pain.I luck out with the pipes this time.I used getto heating and a heater in the bedroom and the fireplace all night and heat tape on the pipes what a pain that was.I have a dog that is coyote and husky mix that refuse to come in he just rolls around in the snow and sleeps under the deck.He is warmer than I am under his fur. I think ill skin him and make a coat out of him.Not really claire just kidding.But I like to.Hope your staying warm.

          • Al Sieber

            DaveH, -1, I’m not complaining anymore.

          • Claire

            Dan az–I know you are kidding about your dog. A coyote/husky mix? I bet he is a goodlooking dog. And I would bet he is one loyal dog, he would sure take care of you and your home.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            The global warming hoax was put to bed months ago. Do some reading please:
            http://climatedepot.com/

          • kate8

            DaveH – It’s apparent that Karolyn doesn’t keep current about much. That’s what happens when one limits information sources to those with an agenda. You only hear what they want you to hear.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – Do you spend ALL your spare time doing research? I would hope not.

          • DaveH

            We are at a crossroads, Karolyn. Our very Liberty is at stake. Kate is smart enough to realize that and arm herself intellectually the best she can. You can keep your head in the sand, and hope things will get better. We choose to educate ourselves.

          • Dan az

            Claire
            That he is this morning he was sitting on the deck with two crows next to him that was weird!I named him buddy he was a stray that moved in and he really likes jake my rottie and puts up with the cats,But refuses to come in side and will only eat in the dirt and the only kind of food he likes is cat food go figure.They call this kind of mix a coydog.If I could send you a picture I would.

          • Claire

            Dan az–He sounds precious. Wish I could see a picture of him. And your rottie–gosh we sure miss our rottie. He was a real love. He loved his basketball-gave that ball heck all day long. When the ball woould wear out, I’d get him a new one.

        • patrick H.T. paine

          Dear Sir, (hflashman?)

          I suppose it would be tempting, given your reputation here, to simply
          respond with an ad hominum, which would probably be as effective as
          the following attempt, but being a cynical idealist I shall render you
          the benefit of the doubt…..once.

          Article One, section 10 is not subject to “interpretation” by anyone.
          The several States are prohibited from coining MONEY, so “making
          something other than “gold or silver coin a tender in payment of
          debt”, would clearly be a function of the legislative branch, for
          the purposes of taxation, fees and fines.

          There are two types of “jurisdiction”, the first is geographical
          and the second is “subject matter”, which simply means that “laws”
          must exist dealing with the “activity”, you may be engaged in.

          There are four subject matter jurisdictions cited in Article Three,
          law (common) and equity, and admiralty and maritime, these latter two
          are exclusively FEDERAL and geographically restricted to FEDERAL
          geography, .i.e. Washington D.C. and other places defined by
          that section of the Constitution, and those types of “cases”,
          also cited in Art: 3.

          Cases in common law are all criminal, because being guilty carries
          either fine or imprisonment as a penalty……..and two elements
          have to exist for an action to proceed in “common law”.

          1.) Corpus delicti ( body of crime ) must exist which means
          that either a ‘victim’ or ‘damage or harm’ must be demonstrated.

          2.) A law (statute) covering this “crime” must be in place.

          Since our system is “adversarial”, the prosecution prefers charges
          at the arraignment, and the accused (defendant) is asked to plead to these charges.

          The defendant may choose at this point, to enter a plea or not.
          If a plea is entered, the effect is that, the subject matter
          jurisdiction of the court, has been resolved……for the “defendant”
          has given the “court” jurisdiction to try the matter, whether or
          not, either of the requirements in common law cited above have
          been met. ( the assumption that you are in a “common law” court
          can be detrimental to your freedom and property, especially since
          no common law courts exist.)

          In common law, the right to a jury trial is present for all cases,
          and in this right, one also has the right to mount a defense which
          consists of challenging the “law” itself. Juries, in “common
          law”, are empowered to judge both the “facts” and the “law”.
          ( see Georgia v. Brailsford ) This RIGHT, is the final protection
          available to “citizens”, against a State, which has become oppressive
          in passing and enforcing bad laws.

          So, sir…..since Article 3 permits 4 subject matter jurisdictions,
          and two of them are exclusively FEDERAL, what type of jurisdiction
          is being employed in state courts? “law and equity”?

          Also, since Article One, section 10 is quite clear, and should be
          even for you, I’ ll let you play “judge” and rule on this.

          Promissary Note

          I, ( state your name ), promise to pay to__________________________________
          ________________________________dollars, in the “lawful money of account”
          of the United States in accordance with 31 USC 371, and Article One, section 10
          of the Constitution of the United States which states in pertinent part that; “no
          state may coin money, nor make any THING a payment of debt, except gold
          and silver coin.”

          As a natural born citizen of the united States, from the town of ……….., in the
          State of ………… and currently residing in the State of ………., I hereby declare
          that I shall not voluntarilly violate the “Supreme Law of the land”
          and will consider any attempt to compell me to do so,
          a “Deprivation of Rights under Color of Law” 18 USC 242, and should
          this action involve more than one individual, an act of “Conspiracy”,
          under 18 USC 241.

          Should either of these events occur, I shall seek both criminal and civil
          relief within all relevant jurisdictions.

          Submitted with all DUE respect:

          ( John Doe ), “without prejudice”, UCC 1 -207, 104 NRS 1207

          Your ruling?

          “Never “assume”, because when you do….you make an ASS of U
          and “umption”.”

          • Dan az

            Patrick Paine
            The rule of law.Yes it needs to be spread around I plan to Give that site to everyone that I know! Thanks for that!

          • kate8

            patrick and dan – I have been interested in this stuff for a long time. Isn’t there some issue of maritime law?

            Even though I have taken courses in criminal justice, this all seems very confusing to me. Maybe I just need to really get into it, but it seems a little scary, as one wrong word can do you in.

            What is the best way to approach learning this? It’s too bad someone doesn’t give courses of study. Or do they? What else do you know?

          • Dan az

            Kate
            go through this site completely there is something there that you can use.
            http://teamlaw.org/
            Hey are you up by grass valley?

      • Average Joe

        UCC 1-207 is “Remedy” from Colorable Statutory Law and UCC 1-103 is your “Recourse”!!! Use UCC 1-207 to reserve your right and 1-103 to argueyo ur rights, under the Common Law, in court. State must produce a “flesh and blood” damaged party!!
        U.C.C. 1-207:4 Sufficiency of reservation.
        Any expression indicating any intention to preserve rights is sufficient, such as

        “without prejudice,” “under protest,” “under reservation,” or “with reservation of all our rights.” The Code states an “explicit” reservation must be made. “Explicit” undoubtedly
        is used in place of “express” to indicate that the reservation must not only be
        “express” but it must also be “clear” that such a reservation was intended.

        The term “explicit” as used in U.C.C. 1-207 means “that which is so clearly stated or distinctively set forth that there is no doubt as to its meaning.”.. .. U.C.C. 1-207:7 Effect of reservation of rights.
        The making of avalid reservation of rights preserves whatever rights the person
        then possesses and prevents the loss of such right by application of concepts of
        waiver or estoppel….

        U.C.C. 1-207:9 Failure to make reservation.
        When a waivable right or claim is involved, the failure to make a reservation
        thereof causes a loss of the right and bars its assertion at a later date….

        U.C.C. 1-103:6 Common law.
        The Code is “Complementary” to the common law which remains in force
        except where displaced by the Code.. ..

        A statute should be construed in harmony with the common law unless there is a clear legislative intent to abrogate the common law…. “The Code cannot be read to preclude a common law action.”

        • Average Joe

          I believe (not positive) that UCC 1-207 has been replaced by UCC 1-308.
          If anyone can verify this for me, I would much appreciate the info.
          I believe this was done as a result of people using UCC 1-207…in order to confuse people into believing that there is no remedy.

          § 1-308. Performance or Acceptance Under Reservation of Rights.

          (a) A party that with explicit reservation of rights performs or promises performance or assents to performance in a manner demanded or offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice the rights reserved. Such words as “without prejudice,” “under protest,” or the like are sufficient.

          (b) Subsection (a) does not apply to an accord and satisfaction.

          I drive with no license at this time …since the State of Florida refused to issue me a driver’s license with the words “without prejudice” written above my signature….they actually printed it up…asked me what “without prejudice” meant and then cut the card up and told me that if I put those words on it…they would not issue the DL to me. I asked why and was told that a “State statute” forbids it…I then asked which statute and was told…”State law” prohibits them from giving me that information…”Which law?” I asked…again…”We are not allowed to give that information out to the public”….I have yet to find any Statute or law to confirm their assertions….and it doesn’t help that they are contantly changing the laws… daily…to keep us from catching them in their own web of deceit.

          • Dan az

            AJ
            Thats about right I think I would try the state constitution to fine out.I found in calif. that it worked in court against the building dept. quite well and they where told if they brought another case to the court they would be fined in contempt of court.The case was if you needed a permit to build and the court said no!

          • patrick H.T. paine

            Various responses to above questions and inquiries above…..

            First: I am NOT a lawyer….a long, long, time ago in a galaxy far,
            far away…..I took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and
            domestic. While that oath was legally binding, I must confess that
            I failed to meet any foreign enemies of the Constitution although they
            might have been somewhat disturbed by the policies of the government
            that claimed legitimacy under it.

            My experience since that time has led me to observe that many
            domestic enemies do exist, and are mainly in government……and
            I could never actually be a “lawyer”, because one is required to
            be a member of the bar in order to provide “assistance of counsel”
            and being subject to this restriction. effectively prohibits you
            from providing a defense in matters such as this, because you are
            an “officer of the court” and would be subject to citation for
            contempt should you venture into the territory presently under
            discussion.( contempt of court can be the equivilant of a life sentence without recourse to any form of due process and is a tyrannical abuse of power )

            Sufficiency of reservation, using the above phrases is all that
            is required….one does not have to cite 1-207 or any other statute,
            state or federal. My favorite is “without prejudice” because in most
            cases the other party will have no clue to its meaning, and if they
            ask, I simply state that as a matter of record I want it to be
            known that I am not a racist. Actually, a reservation of rights should
            be added to every document you sign……

            As for the “drivers license” question……to get around the hassle
            which is described above…….simply add a sticker to the back of
            the license with the reservation, send a cetified letter, notarized
            to the relevant DMV, and make sure that if you are actually stopped
            and cited for any infraction which has no victim or caused harm or
            damage…..that you call this reservation to the officers attention,
            and sign the ticket with a reservation of rights.

            You can also file a reservation of rights with the county you reside in, and with the appropriate state office…..just to cover all the
            bases.

            I realise that for most people, this kind of stuff can be scary and
            that the “opposition” can be intimidating…..although in most cases,
            ignorance will be your primary obstacle. Things have changed a lot
            since 1939, and today it is not uncommon to find “judges” who have
            no clue regarding any of this…….but the primary motivation of
            those who perpetrate this fraud, is to prevent public disclosure
            and to get rid of you.( as quickly as possible and by any means
            necessary, there are too many others who are willing victims
            and the risk of any appellate action regarding “common law jurisdiction”, lawful money, etc. which establishes “precedent” under
            “stare decisis”…….which means that it can be cited by others
            and courts are bound to follow these decisions.

            What people do not understand is, all of this is accomplished
            because you “volunteered”………and in doing so ( in ignorance )
            you have entered into a “contract” which was essentially “fraudulently
            induced”. Now, you are bound by the conditions……and even worse,
            believe that all of this was “required”.

            Thing is, most people are not criminals, and usually don’t find
            themselves at odds with “law enforcement officers” on a regular
            basis……..but the information here, reserving one rights,
            refusing to plead, and challenging the jurisdiction of the court
            with a pre-trial motion, requiring argument by the prosecutor and
            ruling by the judge, and ending with the prommisary note if you
            should actually lose, is pretty effective……

            Most of the people, judges and city attornies at the municipal
            level are largely incompetant…….so chances are, they are going
            to be way more afraid of you….than the other way around…..

            As for proper forms, procedures and such……the web has numerous
            sites which deal with all of this and can be searched for…..and
            one can hang out in court, watch a trial and use the public libraries
            to get “familiar” with the process……

            In the end, one has to try….and risk failure…in order to WIN,
            one has to PLAY……good luck!

          • kate8

            Thanks for the info, patrick.

            Years ago, I recall that the words “all rights reserved” used to appear on certain contracts. I never thought much about it, but now I wonder what that meant.

    • castaway

      I have not trusted any of the Bastards for at least 45 years. It ain’t nothin new. Same [offensive word removed] different day. Literally.

    • Harold Olsen

      I don’t have to wonder what my “representative” Baghdad Jim McDermott will do. He has never met a spending bill that he didn’t like, especially if it wastes money. The bigger the waste, the better he likes it. He is one of those tax and spend liberals who think Americans at ALL income levels DO NOT pay enough taxes. If we paid a tax rate of one hundred percent of our income he would still believe we are not paying enough. The money we earn, as far as he is concerned, does not belong to us but to the government and we have no right to it.

    • Randy G

      It should be plain & simple. The politicans are on their own side. The voters get to suffer while they put money in their pockets.

      • kate8

        Randy G – That does seem to be the bottom line.

        I wonder if anything will change. I hope so, but I have this gut feeling that we are all in for a let-down.

        We’ve had some monumental kicks in the collective gut this past month, with Obama’s exec orders, treatys and Congress’s accelerated sell-out of America. I keep waiting for the outrage and protests to erupt but, so far, all I hear is crickets.

        Have we become simply resigned to it at this point? God to sleep, dear. Don’t get yourself upset. Maybe things will look better in the morning.

        Chirp, chirp.

        • http://none Mike

          Kate, I think the Chirping will end soon. This mass silence is just the calm before the storm. If people are waiting to see how the new folks handel themselves once in office.I have a feeling if it starts out on a bad foot we might just see the masses hit the streets in record numbers. The pitchfork are out and the torches are made. But lets see what they do first. Mike L.

          • DaveH

            I sure hope you’re right, Mike, but a large portion of our population has been bought and paid for with our own money. We have some very large hurdles to negotiate.

    • hflashman

      OK…try this. List your five areas of the budget you’d cut. Name those programs and cite what would be saved. List ‘em here. Go ahead…list them. And when you list the savings…Methinks you’ll be surprised at what meager savings will be realized in comparison to the overall budget.

      If no one writes objecting to at least one of those proposed cuts youlist, they’re deciding not to respond with their true thoughts on why they think it should be saved from the ax.

      Of course, i fully expect some wacked robotic idiot to say “Cut Welfare” or “End the FED !’ or some other ridulous statement reassuring us they have no thought processes in thinking the ramifications through nor the amounts involved, but I have hope someone here on the firnges of the lunatic edge will have the backbone to try a list.

      And don’t forget, we just gave the wealthy $600 billion in special welfare and taxation which all of us now have to pay for.

      • Joyce from Loris

        You gave the wealthy NOTHING. Not taking something that belongs to another does not equal GIVING. The wealthy already pay more taxes than the rest of us. Why can’t you liberals understand this one simple thing…. IT’S THEIR MONEY, THEY EARNED IT, IT’S NOT YOURS, YOU DON’T DESERVE IT.
        As far as your list, I would cut the military spending millions of dollars sponsoring RACE CARS, showing up at county fairs, giving away t shirts and hats, etc. What a waste of money.
        And YES, I would cut welfare. Just like BILL CLINTON did. Give them three months, and you’re out. I personally know people who have lived their entire lives off the working class people. They raised their children on welfare, then those children had babies and they raised them on welfare, and now those children are having babies on welfare. When does it end?? Why should I have to work like a dog to pay some 14 year old girl to have a baby for a guy who has three other girls pregnant? And he pays NOTHING??? Anyone who thinks that the welfare system is not TOTALLY out of whack is whacked themselves. Helping people in a temporary situation is one thing, having to work like a dog to take care of them all their lives is something else. I resent having to work and give my money to a government that will give my money to someone to sit at home, on their COMPUTER, waiting on their welfare or food stamps. If you can’t feed yourself, take care of yourself, you damn sure don’t need a computer.

        • hflashman

          OK Joyce. So you don’t object to giving the wealthy a special tax bracket where they pay lower taxes for the benefits they receive. your concept is telling them ‘you make far more than I do, you receive far more in benefits than i do, you get far more in tax breaks, subsidies, and special welfare than i do…but it’s OK, I’ll pay for you to have all that extra which i don’t get”.

          Next…on your cutting miitary advertising. How much will that save/

          Your welfare rant. 1. How much would that save? What sector of the welfare recipients will you cut after three months, any group you’d extend further than three months or just anyone being given welfare?

          Next… you’d not touch the corporate welfare state we have, no subisidies, programs etc?

          Or you just haven’t taken the time to think through the complex problems faced in cutting spending and just generally ranting without thought or reason of your statements?

          • Joyce from Loris

            You are such a misguided fool. I don’t make enough money to qualify for any tax breaks. My home is paid for, there fore I have no interest to take off my taxes. That’s all I have. I don’t list my contributions, because I feel that it is not charity if I turn around and get it back. I still believe, even though I am not wealthy, that NO ONE has a right to other people’s money. We all pay taxes, but understand that the wealthy pay more than YOU AND I DO, already! It’s their money, NOT YOURS, not the governments, not ANY ONE ELSE”S. I feel the same way about MY MONEY that I work for, IT’S MINE, NOT YOUR’S. I pay my taxes, city, county, state, federal, sales, property… the list goes on. Americans are taxed too death for NO GOOD REASON. As far as the rest of your dribble, I will not respond to. You are hopeless and you scare me. It frightens me to think they are people like you who live in my country, who walk the streets of America.

          • http://none Mike

            Flash, One simple rule. If you fail 2 consecutive drug test. No more welfare. Second would be means testing. If you own more than 2 cars and have 2 of the latest TV’S. No more welfare. No more child credits after 3 children. If your poping out babies like a puppy mill you will no longer recive bonuses for it.

            It may sound harsh to you. But this has to end sometime.If you reward bad behavior. Bad behaviour is what you get. Mike L.

          • hflashman

            No one…and i’ll write it again slower to make sure you are clear on this … no one is saying take someone’s money without value given back. people receive benfits in this country. Decent streets, running water, electricty, cable, etc….and having neighborhoods without walls with shards of glass cemented on top..etc.

            The qwealthy are receiving their benefits for living in this country at a FAR LOWER price than we are. And it’s not the same benefits…but different because of the class rigidity Reagan built into the system and the GOP ceented into place.

            be that as it may…if the wealthy receive the same benefits for living here that i do…I’ve no proble wth them paying the same rates as I. But here’s a secret for ya’s…if their benefits were lowered to our standards of what we receive…they’d leave this place in a heartbeat. And that’s the extent of loyalty they have, and will, show.

            It truly is scary…scary that there are people like you who think it’s all a ok to pay for what is in essence a free rise for the wealthy.

          • DaveH

            Gee, Flashdunce thinks it’s okay to take somebody’s money forcefully as long as he gives something back. It doesn’t matter to Flashdunce whether they want that something or not.
            He will be the first to whine about the Big Bad Corporations ripping us off with their voluntary offers which we don’t have to accept. But he has no problem Forcing us to buy what he and his Liberal cohorts offer.
            And he calls us “wacked”?

          • DaveH

            Flashdunce enjoys his position in the Society of Criminals:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • hflashman

            Mike…y’know…I can come around to support what you’ve stated. I’d add one more though…if you take the benies, you have to give at least 16 hours a week back in govenrment service in some way. If you have kids…they have free childcare available by…yes, another receiving wlfare who has to put in their hours.

            Unemployed i’d make it 8 hours a week and have the service something of the unemploy’s area of expertise … possibly a short class given to HS students as a trade.

            Something along those lines and i’ll go for that.

          • kate8

            flash – I realize that progressives like to rationalize over-taxing the wealthy by pointing out how they “benefit” from living in a country that “allows” them to prosper.

            But this argument only works if you assume that such a “benefit” is a “privelege” allowed (albeit grudgingly) by government and not a right by virtue of our sovereign humanity.

            Our right to prosper or fail is a natural one, one where government has no place regulating. As far as many are concerned, such a ridiculous notion is invalid on its face.

          • http://none Mike

            Flash, Yea some form of community service might not be bad. But make it one of thoes type jobs that no soul would like. Something like sewer cleaner ditch digger. Amounst a few others I could think of. It not only might encourage some work ethic. But maby after a few months of it offer some re-training. Bet they would jump on bord fast for that after a few months of smelly back breaking labor. Mike L.

      • DaveH

        Now Flashdunce has resorted to advance personal attacks. When are you Liberals going to present some real facts in lieu of personal attacks, Flashdunce?

        • Average Joe

          DaveH,

          I hope you aren’t holding your breath, while waiting for an answer to that question……We kind of like having you around….lol

        • hflashman

          LOL..now there’s something not unique. DaveH spouting about someone not having facts. Errrr…Dave….here’s one fact. You’ve never used one yet on this forum. Heck..with you, truth is a rare commodity.

          • DaveH

            Wah! Flashman personally attacked me (albeit using the usual fabricated facts). Isn’t it about recess time, Flashman?

          • DaveH

            Funny, that having as little credibility as you have on this board, Flashdunce, you would be so bold as to make a claim that you can in no way back up.
            I think you’re going to have to do the Liberal trick of inventing a new ID and start over.

          • Dan az

            Fhash your an idiot!
            Dave you never said what part of the north your in!

          • DaveH

            South of Flagstaff.

        • Average Joe

          DaveH,
          I guess we need to stop feeding the troll…it just keeps getting bigger and uglier….Yes flush…I’m talking about you…..TROLL!

          • eddie47d

            Joe; Everyone on this site is a Troll including you and me. At least be honest about it.

          • Average Joe

            eddie47d,
            Most here would agree with you eddie…you’re a troll.
            Most come here to state their opinion on issues, you and hflashman, seem to come here more to argue (just for the sake of arguing) than to debate an issue…just my observation during the time I have been posing here. If a conservative says the sky is blue, water is wet and corn is a plant…the two of you would swear that the sky is red, water is dry and corn is just a new type of fuel…just to see how much you can get someone to react to the obvious drivel of your statements. Rarely do either of you give any supportable facts to back up your statements (at least none that don’t have some liberal slant to them)…So yes, I agree…you are a TROLL….

          • DaveH

            Yep, I will agree, Joe, that Flashdunce and Eddie are Trolls. But then I appreciate their presence, as they do more to ruin the image of Liberals then I have done in years of trying to convince people what Liberals are really like.

          • eddie47d

            What’s the matter Joe can’t be honest about yourself. Try it sometime and don’t be accusing somebody of something that you do yourself. Dave H. has been trolling for the Libertarian Party and every chance he get’s. (I have nothing against the Libertarian Party). His attacks against liberals is trolling at it’s finest so once again …get real.

          • Dan az

            Eddie Your an idiot to!

      • http://Q Corey

        Real simple, go back to a true militia. ZERO military spending period. Every citizen should buy and maintain there own weapons and ammunition at there own cost (give them a tax write off for it) No paychecks for defending your country anymore. No more mercenaries (which is what our “military” is now) Stop paying insane amounts of money for vehicles (Let companies provide weapons, vehicles, planes at no cost, after all it would be there patriotic duty) Airline pilots can fly the planes for our militia, Truck drivers can drive the trucks, heavy equipment operators run the tanks, etc. No paychecks, just the gratification of knowing that we the people can and will defend our country! There goes several trillion dollars of spending, and these wonderful, intelligent soldiers can help to start businesses and provide services that will grow our economy. If they are such wonderful patriots that everyone always wants to say they are, they should be great at it! All the politicians that crave power can have power, but no more paychecks. Law enforcement and fire can be all volunteer with a requirement that everyone do a term of service. Same with all other government functions. If poeple want lower taxes and less government, thats fine, it can be done. But here is the sticker, how many of those who whine about it will be willing to do what it takes? My guess would be not to many!

        • Average Joe

          Corey,
          Well stated!….I would add, getting the Federal government completely out of our everyday lives,. No more Federal education, regulatory commissions,oversight commissions, welfare, EPA,IRS,and the Federal entitlement programs (I am speaking of their “golden” retirement accts which WE pay for) etc….in other words, the only thing the Feds need to do is : protect our individual “God given” rights. Turn everything else over the the “States” and to the “People”.
          I believe that doing these things ( along with the things you previously mentioned) would get rid of approximately 90% of the Federal budget and put us back on the right track to prosperity again as a Nation.

          • Al Sieber

            A.Joe, I agree 100%.

    • Larry DeBerry

      Claire,
      Keep the faith. It is going to take time to put our representatives back on the constitutional path. It will take everyones voices pro or con to move our government in the direction that “We The People” need it to go. However, just paying attention to the federal government is just one way we can bring about change. We need to do it in our local communities and in our state. This way we will be shaping the people we want in Washington and hopefully limiting our surprises. Our system will never be perfect since none of us our. It is our striving for perfection that matters. Through our struggles we all will learn and become stronger and hopefully smarter.

      We all need to get more involved in helping our communities and those who need our help by whatever means we can. If we continue to look for a “handout” instead of a “hand up” where will that lead us. Usually dependent on those individuals that are not dependable or have their own self interests at heart.

      I believe our founders wanted us to help each other without the aid of our government or at least a limited role of government help. We ae “One Nation Under God” and we need to work together to put meaning in those words. Keep the faith and continue to vote by seeking out as much information on your representatives to make the best informed decision that you can. “We The People” need your help.

      • Claire

        Larry–I will do what I can, when I can, and however I can. I will keep the faith, I will never give up.

  • Bob

    We are all cautiously waiting to see how things develop in the new session. I fear the old Republicans will compromise and bend to Obama. What a shame if that happens! We need to stop Obama and his radical socialist agenda. Hopefully God will be on our side.

    • kate8

      I doubt it’s Obama anyone is bending to. They are simply behind him, all bending to the same Nimrod.

      I doubt Congress has any real power anymore. They have become merely symbolic, there to rubber-stamp the handing-over of America to the NWO.

      I’m sure the eager new faces have now been briefed on how the world works. Yes, I’m a bit wary. Even cynical. If more than a token number of congressmen give lip-service to the Constitution I’ll be surprised.

  • steve

    You are going to find that you will not get your freedom back at the voting booth. You won’t get enough of the right people elected at the same time. If you could get the people to all agree, through their employers, to stop paying taxes, you could stop the corruption but, you won’t get that to happen cause you can’t get people to organize. Only option left is to get a few million gun owners to march on Washington, pull out some corrupt politicians, line them up against the wall and shoot them. Then, simply go home.

    • william

      lay off the koolaid steve,

    • William J. Dotson

      I agree 110%.

    • Wanda Murline

      You don’t even have to do that…you can pick certain targets and eliminate them one at a time…a much better way…and two of the first targets should be Soros and Ayers…start there and work your way through. This is going to start happening if things don’t change…there are a lot of angry people out there without jobs, a house and a way to take care of their families, and we can thank the corrput politicians and these two idiots above for that. Someone who has just had enough is going to start the revolution, the King of England did not know when to quit…and I hope Congress decides that they would rather not be in the same boat at the king.

      • Norm

        Wanda Murline

        “Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.”
        -Confucius

      • Steve

        Hummm….Ayers and Soros murderd?…What a great start that qould be…

    • Norm

      steve
      A few million (like that would happen) yokels with small arms versus the US military. Hmmm – Steve you are indeed mentally challenged.

      • Al Sieber

        Norm, most of our military are over seas and they took a oath to uphold the Constitution, we’ve been in Afghanistan over 9 years and haven’t beat them yet, what makes you think a few million yokels with guns couldn’t make a difference? I would hate to see it come to that, no matter who won.

      • castaway

        DO not be too surprise if the majority of the military sides against the government, as I think they will.

        • Harold Olsen

          But, will they say openly which side they are on? Back when Clinton was in office, I knew several guys in the reserves who were told that they could not discuss politics at any time as long as they are members of the reserves, whether on or off duty. I’m pretty certain that rule is still in effect, especially under the Obama regime. I doubt the our fuhrer wants our military to say what they really think of him.

          • http://none Mike

            Harold, I wonder if our millitary hasent allready made some moves. I have a feeling when and if the wiki leaks scandel comes to light. If it wasent a few high ranking millitary members. Thumbing their noses at how the goverment has been running itself.I am still of the opinion this lowly privet had help. Mike L.

          • kate8

            From what I understand, the elites are well aware of the question of military allegience. That is one reason why they are kept busy in foreign wars, being worn out, maimed and killed.

            Besides that, they are building up a large army of mercenaries, who owe allegience only to the one who signs their paycheck. This would be a world army, who have no sympathy for America.

          • Al Sieber

            Kate8, I agree, that was a good point. I often though the same thing.

          • kate8

            Al, I don’t usually get involved with TV programs, but last night my daughter and I watched 3 episodes of “V”. I was amazed at the parallels with what is actually going on politically, with only a slight bit of artistic license!

            Who knows. Some say the elites ARE actually aliens. Either way, the result is the same.

          • Al Sieber

            Kate8, I also agree on that point, anything is possible. Aliens, yeah, our Galaxy has hundreds of billion of stars like our sun, so how many of planets are earth like? probably millions with life like us, but, how many more much more advanced than than us? so who knows? we would be vain if we thought we were the only ones.

          • kate8

            Al – I agree with that. The universe is so vast and, I believe, teeming with life.

            Scripture alludes to that in several places. It speaks of the Pleiades and Orion, and of “fallen angels” and nephilim, their offspring.

            Also, the words, “on Earth as it is in Heaven” suggests that the heavens and the Earth mirror one another.

            Then there are the Hermetic axioms “As above, so below. As below, so above”. The implication of all those things is that the patterns of life are reflected everywhere in Creation. And they would be no more “alien” than a liver cell is to a kidney cell. We may all have different expressions, but belong to One Creation.

            So, I suppose we have grown up to see that it is not too much of a stretch to consider that certain powerful elite may, in fact, be at least descended of another race of beings. Or that we all are, for that matter. We did come here from somewhere.

      • http://Illinois'17th William

        Norm:

        That is what the British thought about our Founding Fathers when they began their “march” to freedom.

        I am also not totlly convinced that the U.S. military would turn on its own countrymen. Who knows, they might join in with the patriots.

        • hflashman

          Define ‘patriot”…because you certainly aren’t one if you advocate the violent overthrow of the elected US government. Do you really truly think the vast majority of the people think like you? If you do..you truly are a nutcase.

          • Pat R

            You have no government. You have the UNITED STATES CORPORATION sitting on a 10 acre by 10 acre plot of ground; known as Washington DC. Owned by the IMF. Every government employee works for the IMF.

            Washington is dead!

            http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org

          • kate8

            flash – The “overthrow” has been done by those currently running things. Therefore, the patriotic (obligation) would be to unseat those in power and restore our Constitutional Republic.

            It seems the quickest way to end up bruised and imprisoned these days is to assert one’s Constitutional Rights. The idea that we have any is being beaten out of us.

            People like YOU are part of the problem.

        • Average Joe

          flush,
          The men who wrote this document were “Patriots”. Many of the people here are “Patriots”…You on the other hand are a few sandwiches short of a picnic…AKA “a fly in the ointment”…..you only come here to try to ruin the picnic for everyone else….I brought bug spray to my picnic…now ….”Buzz Off”.

          When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

          We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

          • eddie47d

            You are correct Joe;All men are created equal and should have that equal opportunity to pursue that happiness. Right wingers are always trying to hold someone down and they do so to better their own life while slowing the advancement of others. More people need to practice what they preach. There never should have been a need for affirmative action but that was the reality of those who like to keep others down. Hopefully and soon, affirmative action will be done away with and we can truly be equal in that opportunity.

          • Average Joe

            eddie,

            There are only two types of people in the the world…Those who want others to be controlled…and those who have no such desire.
            Whether they are right wing, left wing, republican, democrat, liberal etc….makes no difference…those are just lables and nothing more. You either fit into the first group or the latter…regardless of the lables attached.
            I fit into the latter group…I care not what people do with their lives…so long as they do not attempt to “force” anyone else to follow “their” rules…..I figure it is your life and as such you may do as you please with it…so long as you do not infringe upon the rights of another human being while doing so. We each have the right to our own lives and our own “personal” decisions and morality with that life…without outside interference from others….so long as we don’t try to make others conform to our personal views and moralities.
            My outlook on life is just that…mine and mine alone…as is everyone elses is theirs and theirs alone.

            I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
            Robert A. Heinlein

    • Al Sieber

      Steve, I’m against violence unless someone screws with me or mine, I agree that it could come down to that, let them fire the first shot, then there will be hell to pay.

      • castaway

        Actually Al violence is very productive and gets the job done quickly. Look around you! What is the ingredient that makes it really happen? Talking it to death, or causing death. We really need a revolution to fix things, but how to get all the Sheepies out from under the bed, long enough to fight.

        We are not the same people that won WW II. We are a nation of Sheepies that cannot even fight our way out of a “wet paper bag”. OH! We cannot do that someone might get hurt. Oh! there might be some collateral damage! So there you have it!

        • Harold Olsen

          It’s time for another American Revolution!!!

      • http://Illinois'17th William

        Al:

        The first shot was fired many decades ago and they have been screwing with you and yours ever since.

        • http://none Mike

          William, Lets see Kenedy, Ruby Ridge, Wacko Texas, and Brown university. Yea the fed has been fireing shots for a while. Mike L.

        • Al Sieber

          William, I’ve been shooting back.

      • DaveH

        Revolutions rarely end well for the citizens. Generally they trade one tyrant for another. We were lucky in this country to have had benevolent leaders who respected individual liberty 230 years ago. That isn’t likely to be repeated.
        Our best shot by far is to educate the masses to the reality (and failure) of Big Government. We can do that if we learn as much as we can, keep level heads, and impart the truth to the people. Big Government has won for well over 150 years, but now, with the Internet (and people like John Stossel and Judge Napolitano), we are able to educate people better and faster than ever before. Much effort needs to be directed at the Government School System where our children are being propagandized daily. And there are many propaganized adults who are open to the truth but have not been previously exposed to it. We can change that.
        We can win this war of words despite Liberal efforts to the contrary. We need to expose them for what they are — name-calling, fact-fabricating, immoral zealots who are stingy with their own money but generous with the money of other people. They know that, so they operate in the shadows to stifle the flow of information and thus keep the masses in the dark. That effort alone shows that we are winning. If we weren’t, they wouldn’t be trying so hard to silence us.
        Note that Liberalism isn’t isolated to the Democrat Party. The Republican Party is also largely infested with the disease.

      • Dan az

        Hey Al
        I agree the fact is if the military took control and impeached him they alone can remove him and all of his czars pelosi and reid for failing to due there job of vetting him.There was an article that I read and will try to find again that said a plane load of generals ect. where going to take clinton out and the plane crashed and killed them all.I’ll see if I can find it.But the fact is he has committed treason and he can be held accountable.

        • MNIce

          Clinton’s Secretary of Commerce knew certain facts in one of the numerous scandals surrounding the Clintons (I think it was Whitewater). He was on a military transport plane that crashed in bad weather in Yugoslavia – no survivors. There were several suspicious circumstances, including the failure of a critical ground-based navigational system just as the plane went into the mountain regions.

          That is the story, not prevention of a military coup.

          • Al Sieber

            MNIce, I remember that, somebody knew to much about the Clinton’s under handed dealings.

          • Dan az

            MNice
            That was the one that brown was on it wasnt the same one,Im having a problem finding the one that I read but when I do find it again I’ll post it.

    • castaway

      I agree with Steve 150%. If a few hundred thousand or million of us armed citizens take the White House and arrest whoever is inside, nothing will change. We would need to have some replacements to put in place at the same time, to maintain some kind of order. People!! Your bill of rights tells you that you need to do this at a time like this with a government like this. Do some reading and look it up. I would need to read the constitution again, but it is probably in there also. IF YOU REALLY LOVE AMERICA, YOU NEED TO BE READY TO LAY YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE.

      • http://Illinois'17th William

        castaway:

        If you are ofd enogh you will remember the bumper sticker of the 1960s on the rear bumpers of our parents, and grandparents, cars. It read: Beautify America. Shoot a Hippy.

        Well, hippy could now be replaced with Politician, but we no lnoger have rear “bumpers” on our cars.

      • hflashman

        YOU NEED TO BE READY TO LAY YOUR LIFE ON THE LINE.

        You first.

      • DaveH

        Knock it off, Castaway. You are making Liberty lovers look bad. Is that on purpose? Are you really a Liberal masquerading as a Freedom Lover? This is not a war that can be won with violence. We have morality and decency on our side. We can win this war with education for a much better outcome than would result from your suggested course. With close to half the citizens feeding at the trough, and only a small percentage of the other half willing to upset their cushy lives, there is nowhere near the consensus to support your proposed effort (even if you are legit). And if there was that consensus, violence would be unnecessary anyway. You are pushing a losing agenda. I think you know that.

        • Al Sieber

          Thanks Dave.

      • kate8

        Besides, you’d never get anywhere near the WH. It would be over before it began.

    • http://Illinois'17th William

      Steve:

      I would prefer the gallows. It’s slower, but would, I think, give a longer lasting and better visual effect.

    • JC

      A New DC Reality Show Idea…

      The Charges: High Treason
      The Venue: Federal Court with Justices sworn to the Constitution.
      The Penalty: Televised Public Hanging for Convicted Officials.

    • oldtimeyman

      Will Rogers said: “There ought to be one day– just one– when there is open season on senators.”

  • http://www.yahoo.com zappo777

    The issue of marriage here seems to ignore the biggest reason it is only between a man and a woman—-Founding Fathers in the forming of the union of United States said—”That this Nation is ‘under’ a Sovereign God—and by that means we are a Christian Nation. As a result of that and a Supreme Court ruling saying—”The USA is a Christian Nation”–that we aspire to the Laws that God has handed down as ‘HOLY’ and as a Christian Nation that follow these laws–”We do not submit to people of a minority to dictate what the majority ‘Believe’ in regarding God.”–Our Nation has–”In God we trust” on currency–’under God’ in the pledge of allegiance, Prayer in Congress at the opening of session, our rights are given by ‘Our Creator’ in the Declaration of Independence. Our Constitution was written by ‘Christians’ who studied ‘principles’ from God —”Madison”-who studied under ‘Witherspoon’ —-was a great ‘Theologian’ during Madison’s time–the Author of our ‘Constitution’. Sam Adams said, “The Constitution was not designed to be run by ‘Ungodly’ men who would create immoral laws to place moral men in prison. This principle should have been established regarding the case on ‘Sodomy’—and the Gay issue would never been able to crop its ugly head up or ‘Gay Marriage’–because it is immoral—–”God does not join 2 men or 2 woman together!”–PERIOD. Because the failure in the Judicial branch and not having ‘Godly’ people in Authority–we have this problem with ‘Immorality’ —Homosexual Lifestyle. The other issue that has sprung up is the judicial error in the case of “Separation of Church and State”–Huge screw up!!!! HUGE MISINTERPRETATION OF WHAT PRES. JEFFERSON MEANT Regarding Baptist Church and Government. Its blunders like this that has formed the ‘CONFUSION’ and problems with ‘IMMORALITY’ for this Nation. We as a Christian Nation need to take back what these immoral ‘Bastards’ stole from what our Founding Fathers fought and died for—”A NATION UNDER GOD!” In Leviticus 18-22— Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. To promote what God condemns is against Christian Faith, Jewish Faith and all of what God calls “His Faith”–and to allow it is a “CLEAR VIOLATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!” Because of allowing ‘Immoral People to be in Authority”. So, we should place pastors, military pastors in jail for preaching the ‘TRUTH’ regarding Homosexuality is not only a SIN, but an ABOMINATION????? Those people who practice this Abomination should not be allowed any special rights except to freely “LEAVE THIS COUNTRY IF THEY DO NOT ‘FIT IN’ Period—and LAWS TO PROMOTE THEIR QUICK DEPORTATION!!!!!!

    • Karolyn

      You really sound like a Godly person (sarcasm intended). And I am pretty certain you hve never met a gay person in your life. What would you do if you had a gay son, daughter or grandchild?

      • Proud to be a Christian

        He would do the same thing. As the bible says that it is up to the father to discipline his children even to the point of killing them if they are disobient.

        • Karolyn

          It has nothing to do with obedience! “Proud” Christian-HA!

        • DaveH

          Ouch!

      • Conservative at Birth

        Offer to get them help and counseling. Pure and simple, sexual behavior is a choice, not preordained genetically. All of the homosexual males I know have been molested in their early teens by an older male. To say that this behavior is normal is pure insanity. To accept it as normal is immoral.

        • Harold Olsen

          Homosexuality can never be normal. In order for it to be normal two people of the same sex would have to be able to procreate WITHOUT any artificial means. Until that happens, homosexuality is, as the Bible says, an abomination.

        • Karolyn

          I have known many gays in my life and not one was ever molested as a child!

        • DaveH

          I believe also that it is not normal behavior. But then how much do we do that is normal? And who defines Normal?
          If they are engaging in consensual behavior, whose business is it anyway (no matter how repugnant to others)?
          This is where the Right-Wingers go wrong. People have engaged in deviant behavior throughout history, and you aren’t going to change that, no matter how many laws you pass. But you are going to establish the machinery (Big Government) that any wacked-out politician can later use to suppress the people.
          If you truly believe you are right, then educate the people on the soap box, but not at the ballot box where you just aid growth of the already too Big Government.

          • kate8

            The problem is not that homosexuality exists. As you said, it always has.

            The problem is when it gets forced down the throats of the majority and indoctrinated into our children in spite of our objections. As perverse behavior becomes more and more thrust into the mainstream, corruption and decay accelerate the collapse of civilization.

            Like it or not, this is the way it is and always has been.

          • DaveH

            I agree, Kate, but that is the disease we need to treat. That is, that gays have special protections and that parents have no choice but to send their kids to schools that indoctrinate them.
            We could address those problems and many more by getting Government out of education as well as many other areas where they have no business being.
            Vote Libertarian!

          • eddie47d

            So Dave H. wants to go back to the “old school” where “normal” students were indoctrinated to hate gays. That’s hardly refreshing.

          • kate8

            Why not just teach kids to respect everyone, even though they may not agree with their choices? That is supposed to be who we are.

            Instead, those in power have a need to socially engineer us according to THEIR vision of how things should be.

            It doesn’t seem like such a hard thing to me. If we could simply use common sense these issues wouldn’t be issues at all.

            But then, it’s the promotion of “victim” groups that those in power use to manipulate us toward their ends.

            No wonder they hold us in such contempt.

          • DaveH

            In that case, Eddie, you would be safe, since there is nothing ‘normal’ about you.

          • DaveH

            And, yes, old school, Eddie, where the children weren’t propagandized to believe that the property of others was theirs to share freely. And where Union thuggery wasn’t taught to be moral behavior.

          • eddie47d

            Hey sicko Dave H. Happy New Year. You are still as nasty in the new year as you were in the last. Surprise,Surprise! You are putting yourself right up there with i41 and his thuggery and twisted views of unions. You like to look at yourself as highly intelligent but you are slipping rapidly with your venom. I think Flashman got to you and his comments have surpassed yours in content.

          • Dan az

            So eddie
            old school” where “normal” students were indoctrinated to hate gays. So what school did you go to that you where told to hate gays?It wasnt in any that I went to!Are you just fibbing to us again?You devil you!

          • kate8

            DaveH – Same here. I don’t recall the gay issue ever coming up when I was in school. Gay meant carefree, and rainbows were a sign of promise.

            The only kids I remember being kind of outcast were “easy” girls. And they were always hetero.

          • DaveH

            I don’t like people who force their way on other people. I don’t like rapists, I don’t like thieves, I don’t like Union thugs, and I don’t like Liberals. Get used to it, Eddie. Or change. Become a decent human being who respects the Free choices of other humans. I doubt that will happen.

        • Vigilant

          “Pure and simple, sexual behavior is a choice, not preordained genetically.”

          Not so pure and simple. Much evidence exists to the contrary.

      • Claire

        Personally, I would probably vomit. But I guess I would have to endure it.

        • Claire

          Let me rephrase my last comment–I would seek all kinds of help for my child, if all failed then I would have to endure it. This does not mean I approve of homosexuality. I try my best to be openminded about issues but this is one issue where I cannot find any rational excuse for. I believe it to be immoral and unhealthy.

          • DaveH

            You are a truly good person, Claire.

          • kate8

            Claire – I agree with you. It would be a hard thing to accept, but we love our children no matter what, so accept it we would.

            I would also continue to pray for God’s Grace.

          • Al Sieber

            Claire, do you mean, Alpha Females?

          • Claire

            Al Sieber–In the world of dogs, if a female or a male is being alpha they are trying to be dominant, they want to be boss. At least this is what I know. When a person has more than one dog, sometimes one will try to rule over the other. Yes, you could say alpha female or alpha male. Hmmm.. sometimes this can apply to the human race, too. lol

      • castaway

        YOU WANT THE TRUTH? I don’t think you can handle it.I know what I would do and it would not be pretty. However I could not have a queer for a son, from the way they were raised, and taught about the bible. It also is not in their genes.

        • http://Illinois'17th William

          castaway:

          Genes have nothing to do with it. Being queer is a choice, often times prodded along by Satan.

          “Born that way” is just more liberal crap foisted on the people to justify deviancy. I saw a tee shirt once that stated: Liberals breed degenerates.

          Speaking of degenerates…..

          I wonder what that girlie man with the tinkle down his leg Chris Mathew’s parents were like. Scary, I’ll bet.

          • Karolyn

            You’re the one who’s scary.

          • eddie47d

            Totally agree Karolyn. We know exactly what Castaway means.

          • Al Sieber

            Claire, I neglected to mention they only do it when they’re in heat.

          • Claire

            Al Sieber: Whoops, now that can make a difference! lol

        • Karolyn

          Take a look at all the gays born to Christian families! Pretty much all of them, because there seem to be less Jewish gays than Christian.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – That’s ridiculous. In fact, I understand that Tel Aviv is a hotbed of homosexual decadence.

          • Karolyn

            Kat e – I should have not said that; however in thinking about it I came to that conclusion looking at all the gays I’ve known. But, one cannot overlook the fact that the majority of gays would be Christian, since that is the majority in this country. I might add that a great many of them are also Bible-believing Christians. The fact is that a homosexual can come from any kind of family.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – I don’t know about your statistics. Since gays only comprise – what? 2% of the population – it’s hard to tell.

            In any case, Christians are as diverse as any other group. In fact, the vast majority of Christians today actually know little at all about Christ’s teachings, and many are in name only.

            Being that I live in a mountain resort area, gays tend to flock here from San Francisco. From what I’ve seen over the years, they are attracted more to the New Age pseudo-Christian groups, and churches like Episcopalian. Even Catholics have gay priests, but they are supposed to be celebate just like heteros.

            I think this is a dumb conclusion to make, and a dumb conversation. What has it to do with the price of apples, anyway? Every man must give his own accounting to God in God’s own time. It’s not for us to say.

          • blv54

            being born in a christian family doesn’t make you a christian, if I had a kid that turned out like that as soon as they turned 18 they’d be out the door with instructions to forget my address unless they turned from that sin and I would pray for them daily that’s the christian way to handle that.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – Interesting that you made the statement that gays have been victimized by Christians. How is that? Do you know of some instances? I hardly think that believing such a lifestyle is immoral constitutes victimization. Christians also believe cohabitating outside of marriage is immoral, also, so I see no discrimination here.

            Even if you do know of instances of harm, that would be the responsibility of individuals, not Christianity.

            Aso interesting is your continued defense of Islam, yet Islam tolerates gays not at all. In fact, Islam teaches gays must be put to death. What’s up with that?

            You are an enigma, Karolyn. And a bundle of contradictions. Do you actually know what you are about? It’s hard to tell.

          • Vigilant

            When I lived in the Netherlands, I knew a family in which one son was hetero and the other homosexual. Neither was molested, as far as we knew.

            The boy who turned out to be homosexual was relentlessly put down by his father as a pantywaist, sissy, what have you. Needless to say, the boy had many psychological problems that were an outgrowth of the father’s treatment of him. I felt truly sorry for the lad, who was about 10 years old at the time. And I loathed the father for such treatment. No 10-year old deserves such condemnation from his father.

            That was about 7-8 years ago, and I’ve learned that since that time, the boy has come out of the closet.

            No one will ever convince me that the boy had a choice about his sexuality. Who would choose to anger his father in such a way? At ten years of age, most boys would try to emulate their fathers and do things to make their father proud. This boy was kind, loving, and had no right to treated thus.

            Science seems to have hit upon some evidence that homosexuality is indeed a genetic issue. I believe future research and discoveries will almost certainly prove it to be the case.

            That being said, I wonder what the “Old Testament” Christians will say? It would deprive them of a reason to condemn someone, and I don’t think they will take kindly to it.

            As for what homosexuals do in private, that’s their own business. Or do those Christians who condemn them expect us to break down doors and pull them out of bed for tarring and feathering? Some non-intrusive government you believe in.

          • kate8

            Vigilant – Christianity does not condemn gays, or anyone else. There are, no doubt, some people who do, but that is not what Christ taught.

            Homosexuality goes against nature, and those who practice it put themselves at risk for diseases borne of that practice. Like it or not, that is a fact.

            We all must bear the responsibility of the choices we make, even if they are compulsions. Liberals can’t seem to accept that life isn’t necessarily fair. What is, is, and it’s no use blaming anyone but ourselves when we reap what we have sown.

            Perhaps the Biblical admonition against such acts is to keep us from facing the possible consequences of behavior that violates nature, rather than arbitrary condemnation. There are, in fact, many cautions against “unclean” practices, for the purpose of avoiding disease.

          • Vigilant

            kate8,

            “Vigilant – Christianity does not condemn gays, or anyone else. There are, no doubt, some people who do, but that is not what Christ taught.”

            Kate, I fully understand that. Trouble is, there’s a lot of homophobia out there, and I think many who call themselves “Christian” are guilty of it. When they use the Bible to substantiaite their hatred, that becomes a dangerous and inhumane position.

            “Homosexuality goes against nature, and those who practice it put themselves at risk for diseases borne of that practice. Like it or not, that is a fact.”

            Heterosexuality has a pretty poor track record when it comes to the spread of diseases as well. And I always wonder when someone says homosexuality goes against nature. If homosexuality has genetic roots or represents an imbalance of hormones, etc., is that “against nature?” You could just as well say that a child born with type I diabetes goes against nature because it’s not a “normal” condition.

            “We all must bear the responsibility of the choices we make, even if they are compulsions. Liberals can’t seem to accept that life isn’t necessarily fair. What is, is, and it’s no use blaming anyone but ourselves when we reap what we have sown.”

            Once again, is it choice or is it an abnormality of nature?

            “Perhaps the Biblical admonition against such acts is to keep us from facing the possible consequences of behavior that violates nature, rather than arbitrary condemnation. There are, in fact, many cautions against “unclean” practices, for the purpose of avoiding disease.”

            The Biblical admonitions against such things as eating pork are not observed by non-Jews and non-Muslims because we recognized that the Hebrews sanctioned it on the basis of actual prevalence of disease. They didn’t know that pork could harbor the trichina worm if not properly cooked. Similarly, the argument has been made that the admonitions against homosexuality and Onanism (masturbation) were based on a need for the tribe to “be fruitful and multiply.” Numbers guaranteed strength and neither of those two things resulted in offspring.

            The Old Testament has many Sharia-lawlike proscriptions and sanctions that modern Christians wouldn’t think twice of not observing. Shall adulterers and non-believers be stoned to death? Is “an eye for an eye” always the best remedy?

          • Al Sieber

            Jeez, does mean my 2 dogs are gay?

          • Vigilant

            Al,

            I sometimes wonder about my Siberian Husky when he humps my leg.

          • Al Sieber

            Vigilant, good one, but my dogs are female.

          • Claire

            Al– Your females may have an alpha issue. Perhaps they are trying to be the “dominant” figure. I have a female that will hump my males if she does not get the toy away from them, and I notice the males will back off and let her have the toy. They are probably thinking “WTH.” My girls do not do this to one another. My two “macho” males would probably get honked off. The other two males haven’t done this to each other, yet.

          • kate8

            Look, Vigilant. I didn’t create things to be the way they are. God did, and I trust that He will sort things out however He wants. That’s not my job, or yours.

            Yes, heterosexuality can also spread disease. That’s why God commanded people to marry and be faithful, along with preserving bloodlines and assuring paternity. Plus, it avoids many other complications brought on by promiscuity, like divorce.

            There are many cleanliness issues besides eating pork. Those that have to do with blood and other bodily secretions, the handling of the dead and diseased….the idea was to prevent the spread of disease. Plus, the very act of homosexuality is said to have health implications for men, even when STDs are not present.

            There is a reason why certain lifestyles and practices are shunned, and that is not necessarily a bad thing. What is harmful is when those who choose to do these things target our children for indoctrination into their lifestyles. It seems that simply being accepted isn’t enough. They want to be elevated and celebrated.

            Homophobia has become worse since gays have gone on the offense with their agenda. People don’t like being forced into going along with things that they’d rather not think about at all. Gays had come a long way into gaining acceptance, but that didn’t suit the progressive agenda. They need victims to futher their purposes.

            The whole idea is to get us all to engage in all manner of perversity and think it normal. A depraved people are much easier to conquer and control, as they have no moral foundation. It’s all part of the same cause.

          • Vigilant

            “Look, Vigilant. I didn’t create things to be the way they are. God did, and I trust that He will sort things out however He wants. That’s not my job, or yours.”

            That is PRECISELY my point!

    • castaway

      WONDERFUL POST AND HOW TRUE IT IS.

    • http://Illinois'17th William

      To quote Clint Easwood in one of his early westerns: Bravo. (However, I did not spit on the floor prior to saying it.)

      Howver, I’m guessing that if little Barney Fag sees it he will mutter something unintelligible, as usual.

      God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

      • hflashman

        Well…if you look at it that way, someone had to have incest from that point on. Mother with son? Son with daughter, Brother with sister. Etc …

        And you see that as something more ‘godly’ than being gay? Really?

        • ValDM

          I see you’re still spouting your usual trash, Flash. The Bible states that God created Adam and Eve as the first humans. Fet it? FIRST. That would imply that there were other creations of humanity. No incest. But by the history of your postings, your mind would naturally gravitate to the filthy.

          • hflashman

            So that would imply your god created other humans? And just happened to forget to mention it? As an aside…what race was Adam and Eve? And were these other humans your god created the same race or did he just so happen to decide to mix and match color combinations?

          • DaveH

            Here goes Flashman with the race baiting.
            There are many blacks who have done the right things (education, hard work, long hours, personal and financial risk) and have become successful, Flashman, in spite of you Liberals. After decades of fighting for their Freedom, along come the Liberals to re-enslave them as well as many others. My heart goes out to them. Their wallets go out to people like Flashman.

          • eddie47d

            Oh please Dave H. If I got $100 for every racial comment from Conservatives on this site I’d be very wealthy.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            I can’t say that I’ve read every comment, but of the comments that I have read the Liberals have brought up the race issue far more than have the Conservatives. Being the Liberal Zealot that you are, I realize you won’t accept that fact.

          • eddie47d

            That could be but only in reaction to racial comments thrown around here like it’s a Klan meeting.

          • DaveH

            All talk, Eddie. Show me some proof.

          • libertytrain

            DaveH – you are correct, I sometimes think the odd libs that can’t leave this site are here just to keep trying to race bait, to keep trying to make us as racist as they are -

          • DaveH

            That may be the case indeed, Liberytrain. People do have a way of projecting their faults onto others.

  • http://www.yahoo.com zappo777

    It is a treatable behavioral disorder, but like any sort of therapy for
    behavioral disorders, it requires both determination to recover and a
    good deal of hard work to do so, on the part of the victim of said
    disorder. These would rather twist society to their way than do that
    work, insisting it’s “genetic” despite the fact that the genome has been
    mapped and there is NO gene or cluster of genes that cause this. It
    used to be listed in the DSM 3 as a behavioral disorder and was only
    pulled out of the DSM 4 in the face of massive law suits against the APA
    on the part of the ACLU and homosexual lobbies back in the late ’60s
    and early ’70s, NOT because they suddenly “saw the light” that it’s not a
    behavioral disorder. It’s but ONE of many instances of the ACLU
    “practicing” medicine BADLY, in such ways as to harm the larger society!
    congress has sold out america and christians by supporting Gay Agenda—Democrat party needs to be banned from all society and put on trial for TREASON!!!

    • Karolyn

      Just how are they harming you? You cannot tell me that someone who felt they were “different” from early childhood is suffering from a disorder. Why did you bring this up here anyway? the subject was not even mentioned?

      • Conservative at Birth

        NO, you brought it up. I wonder why?

        • Karolyn

          Not I!

      • castaway

        Karolyn are you so naive that you really need it explained to you?

        • Karolyn

          Are you so narrow-minded that you can’t entertain a differing opinion in your head?

          • kate8

            Karolyn, Why is it that when don’t embrace all manner of deviance the way you liberals do, we are narrow-minded?

            And yet, your intolerance of us is enlightenment?

            Please explain.

            BTW, I know the answer, but I’d like to hear it from you.

          • Karolyn

            I’m not intolerant of you. I admire your tenacity and have always admired people who stand up for what they believe. However, when it comes at the expense of others’ freedoms, I certainly have a hard time with it; and when pushed into a corner, I’ll come out swinging too, though I TRY to swing with a velvet hammer rather than a baseball bat. I’ve always been a champion of the underdog.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – So how is it that it’s okay to elevate one group’s freedoms over those of another? Because Christians are losing freedoms every day, and groups like gays and Muslims are being shown preference.

            I’m against ANY sexual indoctrination in schools (or anywhere). I’m against socialist indoctrination. In fact, I’m against FORCING children into public schools altogether, because then they are a captive audience and can be fed whatever the PTB want them to be.

            I’m for EVERYONE having freedom, but in any functional society, there needs to be social guidelines for public behavior. People can conduct their lives without rubbing everyone’s nose in their intimate practices. In fact, that is just bad taste, regardless of their orientation.

            It’s as if, with you progressives, if it goes against traditional decency, let’s glorify it. If it smacks of traditional values, let’s denigrate it.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – I don’t see Christians losing freedoms. Yes, the ACLU-type actions are ridiculous, but no one’s telling Christians that they can’t get married or drive a car or whatever. It sounds so like you all are playing victim, when, in fact, gays HAVE been victims. – Of Christians! Should kids all be brought up in closets, not knowing what goes on in the world? Do you believe that if a kid was brought up as a Christian, never hearing anything about homosexuality, that would keep him from being gay? I don’t think so. Children should have the opportunity to be educated on everything and then make their own choices based on who they are, not stifled and stuffed into little packages. I don’t care what a child learns in school, if the upbringing is right, that child should turn out well unless they are mentally incapacitated or have a personality disorder.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – Christians have been victimized at least as much as any other group, especially around the world. Millions have been killed because of their beliefs. And crimes against Christians have been in the increase in America.

            It’s wrong for anyone to harm another, and terrible things are done by unbalanced people in the name of Christ, Mohammad…and even secular humanism! And yet you folks repeatedly defend Islam and everyone (except Christians) as being the radical few, not to reflect on the whole. REALLY?

            Living in California, the progressive Mecca, Christians are very much maligned and marginalized. Our children are targeted by schools and told to disregard the morals of their parents. A judge even ruled that parents have no right to ever KNOW what their kids are being taught.

            The Christian people I know are very loving, generous and accepting. They are not judging, either. In fact, I’ve never heard them speak against anyone.

  • Hal

    With the Summation of what the 111th ‘lame-ducking’ Congress accomplished and in view of how they rammed that last legislation through 2010, as reported above, perhaps some thoughts ought to be given to out-source their jobs, perhaps to India (?). Besides of saving a lot of money (in form of Their wages, pensions, etc) we would at least have the satisfaction of being able to request remedial action by giving them a call, like with other matters, since they were out-sourced to them, they are now handling and dealing with, thus demanding immediate action, upon which they would most-likely respond and act upon!

  • Colleen

    Even as a die-hard optimist, I am having a hard time staying positive on what is going to happen with the new folks in Congress and Senate. I fear the “old guard” Republicans and Democrats will just say a lot of platitudes but keep doing the same old things until it all comes crashing down on us and we get invaded by some wackos from China/Iran/whoever wants to take us down further.
    I’m expecting the worst while praying for the best!

  • don the canuck

    It may be time for a third major party in the U.S. I think this may become the case in the years to come. Dems, GOP, Tea. You all need a party for the people, because you certainly have enough parties for the politicians.

    • JC

      Libertarian immediately comes to mind.

      • http://none Mike

        This wesight and a few intellegent people here finally converted me. Even though Neil Boortz might have got it started for me. I still hadnt taken the plunge untill I came here. Mike L.

        • DaveH

          For a good Libertarian point of view, watch John Stossel or Judge Napolitano on Fox Business Channel. Or read from Mises.org, Reason.org, or Cato.org.
          What surprises me is that the Liberals don’t embrace Libertarianism more. We allow them to do whatever dumb things they want with their own bodies and property like they say they want. I guess the clincher for them is the fact that we don’t allow them to help themselves to other peoples money when those dumb things come back to haunt them. Liberals are lost without other peoples’ money. Oh sure, they like to think they’re the charitable ones, but the reality is that is only true with other peoples’ money, not their own.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otl2RSe60ZY

          • kate8

            DaveH – I don’t think liberals grasp Libertarian ideas at all. They just reject traditional values in the pursuit of self-indulgence. The thing is, they aren’t content to simply live and live. They have a compulsive drive to FORCE everyone else to see things their way, whether they like it or not. To FORCE their ideology into the mainstream by any and all means, and when they have enought power, eliminate all who disagree.

            I would think conservatives would be more drawn to Libertarian views, like myself. Like many, I just want to make my own choices, for better or worse, and not have to worry about BigBro looking over my shoulder, or standing there with his hand out.

            I want to be free to choose my work, how to raise my kids, how to spend my money, how to eat, what kind of healthcare I want, and any other choice available to me. You know, the way America was intended.

          • newspooner

            Very well stated. So-called “Liberals” are lying or ignorant phonies because they really do not advocate liberty, but use the label “liberal” to make people think that they do. True liberals are essentially libertarians and conservatives who are trying to conserve liberty, not trying to conserve the Establishment.

            True charity can only come from individuals and from groups of individuals who voluntarily band together to accomplish their desired goals. Since government is not voluntary, it is wholly improper and immoral for any government to dispense any charity. When governments pretend to dispense charity, what they are obviously doing is simply redistributing stolen property. I say “obviously”, but it seems that far too many people, especially those who label themselves as “Liberals”, don’t understand this.

          • DaveH

            Speaking of phonies, Spooner, don’t you wish that there was some sort of Internet Truth Serum we could administer to them? My money would bet that the vast majority of those fighting so hard on this site to spread the Liberal Misinformation are in fact either Government Employees or feeding at the trough in some other way.

          • Karolyn

            Dave – Do you really believe that? Incredible! I spend a lot of time on here because I’m learning all the time, and I want my voice to be heard. If I had a busier job, I probably wouldn’t be doing this so much. It is also a social outlet for me, living alone in such an isolated area. I just have such a hard time understanding how you cannot understand that people can have different views and that those views are honestly spoken.

          • kate8

            Karolyn – Even twisted (or simple) minds can produce honestly spoken views. Doesn’t make them any less false, misleading or even dangerous.

          • DaveH

            Karolyn,
            You are obviously capable of learning. Don’t confuse yourself with the kind of Liberals I am talking about.

      • Al Sieber

        JC, I agree. Libertarian.

  • Irena

    Let us hope to God that this new selection of Congress members for the New Year do not end up reflecting that all-too-true comment: “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”. Well, sometimes pigs really do fly, and maybe one can hope that ”pigs flying” does not mean a politician flying in an airplane. Time will soon tell if this new session of Congress plan on doing the will of the people and upholding the Constitution, or just getting back to ”business as usual”.

    • kate8

      Irene – So far, the only pigs I know of to ever fly WERE politicians on airplanes. LOL.

      • Claire

        Kate8–Good one!! LOL

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    WSA WSA WSA WSA
    SUPREME COURT SUPREME COURT
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ = FEW
    00000000000000000000000000000 = MANY

    INEQUALITY HAS BEEN SILENT WARRIOR TO DESTROY A CIVILIZATION

    ROME-SPAIN-HOLLAND-ENGLAND-AMERICA

    EMPIRE GONE

    MILITARIZATION–KILL MILLIONS OF INNOCENTS
    OVER EXTENSION–800 MILITARY BASES WORLDWIDE
    ONE THIRD OF BUDGET FOR MILITARY
    1500 MILLION ALIENATED BY INVASION OF TWO DESTITUTE UNARMED NATIONS

    AMERICA ON STEEP DECLINE SINCE 1980
    20 YEARS OF SO – CALLED CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENTS
    18 YEARS OF SO – CALLED CONSERVATIVE SENATE
    12 YEARS OF SO – CALLED CONSERVATIVE HOUSE
    6 YEARS OF TOTAL SO – CALLED CONSERVATIVE CONTROL

    WHAT DID AMERICA GET FROM THE SO – CALLED CONSERVATIVES?
    600B BUDGET TO 3600B (LESS WJC ITSY BITSY)
    907B DEBT TO 9907B (10 TIMES AS MUCH IN 20 YEARS AS 200)
    218,000 NET NEW JOBS PER MONTH DOWN TO 99,000 NET NEW JOBS PER MONTH
    8 INTERNATIONAL CONFLICTS KILLING MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE
    MOST CONVICTED OF CRIMES IN ONE ADMINISTRATION IN HISTORY.
    ALEINATRWD 1500 MILLION OF ONE RELIGION FROM DUMB DISASTROUS INVASION OF TWO OF MOST DESTITUTE, UNARMED NATIONS ON EARTH.
    935 LIES TOLD IN ONE YEAR TO SELL THE PEOPLE ON THE INVASIONS.

    • jim

      There’s a lot of truth in what you say, Clarence. Wonder if anyone here is open-minded enough to listen or are they too busy ranting and raving?

      • JC

        That was a very one sided rant.
        And there enlies the problem.
        ITS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM

        • kate8

          The only problem with that is that there have been just as many liberal presidents, and Congress has been under the control of the Left more than the Right.

          You are right, JC. It is the whole system, by design.

  • http://com i41

    There is many rinos that need their rears kicked to the curb,going to their town meeetings, or making conference calls to their offices, will help pull the reins up alittle. As long as Nazi Traitor Soros is the money man and bank ro;;s and democrat canidate in any state down to a state offical, democratsa will alway elect marxist communist union socialist democrat idoits who beleive in total government control of every time down to what you eat. A carry over effect from the 60′s radical hippy drug heads now in office and all jock strap hangers of marxist commmunist idealogs with a D by their name! With the push for everyone to be book trained f–king idoits with a degree, it will be a never ending challenge.

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    How can a party allow such a horrid party to get re-elected
    Clinton left Bush Heaven On Earth
    Bush left Obama Hell on Earth
    Clinton left Bush an 1800B Budget and four balanced budgets
    Bush Left Obama a 3600 Budget
    Clinton left Bush a 5700B of Debt
    Bush left Obama 11,800B of Debt
    Clinton left Bush a 237,00 net new jobs created per month
    Bush left Obama a 31,000 lowest since Hoover.
    Clinton left Bush Peace on Earth
    Bush left Obama Hell on Earth Two disastrous wars
    Clinton left Bush a President most highly rated of any peacetime President in Asia, Africa, Europe.
    Bush left Obama the most hated President in history
    Bush left Obama an Housing Tsunami and Financial Volcano
    Bush left Obama, in 2008, an 8500B Bail out commitment
    Bush left Obama his Takeover of Fannie/Freddie, AIG, and first bailout of Chrysler

    How can any honest informed person vote to re-continue such horrid actions and results?
     

    • Conservative at Birth

      You poor ignorant fool.

    • http://MSN.com Alice

      I don’t like Obama.

      • eddie47d

        So!…. I don’t like lima beans.

    • Thomas G Kroger

      So Clinton left Bush “heaven on earth”? Gawd, what are you smoking? It must be something illegal. Do you have any idea how you sound? The same Bill Clinton whose Butch Attorney General handed us a massacre at Waco? The same Bill Clinton that made a joke of the Presidency, and who carried around a Hollywood Bible emblazoned with a huge cross on its cover after he gets caught “not having sex with ‘that woman’” Monica Lewinksy? The same Bill Clinton and Democratic Party that corrupted our political process beyond measure by accepting funds from the Lippo Group? Is that your idea of “heaven on earth”? And no, I don’t think the Republicans are the answer: that will probably have to come from a Third Party, or from the Tea Party movement. But your attempt to cast the Clinton Regime into some kind of Shangri La makes me want to vomit.

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    That durn swinney is olduglymean
    Honest.

    • http://JT64 Jeff Thieding

      Clarence,

      Don’t believe that you are meanuglynasty at all. I just think that you are a little misguided in the facts. BOTH GOP and DEMs have done poorly in controlling federal spending. Much of the deficit has been caused by major increases in government employment and spending for benefits such as Medicare, Medicaid, early retirement for public sector employees and Social Security for the aging “Baby Boomer” generation. By ignoring the long term costs of these programs and by expanding them to take care of even more people, politicians have straight out lied to the American people; this is something that EVERY President and almost EVERY member of Congress has known about, but has been willing to look past for nearly four decades. When they continued to spend more money than they had in bad years and then added more programs in good years, they were no smarter than a couple who had a $60,000.00/year income and believed that they could afford a $400,000.00 house, two new cars, a new boat and a Harley Davidson; they set themselves up to fail. It IS that simple.
      We are BROKE and our economy cannot afford the “garden of eden” promises made by past administrations. Unless we start manufacturing our own products, mining our own resources and trying to get Americans to Buy USA, we will fail to even be able to pay the interest on the debt that we are allowing ourselves to fall into. Ultimately, the retirement age will have to be raised dramatically, early retirement will be on the individuals ability/willingness to save rather than publicly funded, the Government will have to be precluded from competing with the private sector in all areas and all of us will have to learn to live with less. We blew our wad on a big party, now it’s time to clean it up; unless you want to leave that to your kids.
      In short, being a hardcore Democrat is as stupid as being a hardcore Republican; they have both been screwing up the economy for years. Pretty much what you should expect from an arena filled with lawyers and political science majors; book smart, real world dumb.

      • DaveH

        Yep,
        What a web we weave when we first practice to spend other peoples’ money.

  • newspooner

    The communists have always used other pro-government advocates to advance the cause of communism. They have used the process of patient gradualism for decades, and now the ultimate fruits of their labors are relly beginning to show.

    The process of patient gradualism tends to progress more consistently than it can be reversed. Not nearly enough constitutionalists have been elected to have even a remote chance of reversing it at this time. We must elect far more in each upcoming election to have any realistic chance of saving liberty.

    Government is out of control at all levels. All good Americans should dig in and resolve to give their best efforts at least a few more times before giving up. Work hard to promote lower taxes, less government, and more individual freedom. Get the US out of the UN, and get the UN out of the US.

    • Tom from Idaho

      Right on, newspooner. Was it Stalin (or maybe Marx) who said all that is needed are a few “useful idiots” to advance the communist cause. Unfortunately, I have a family full of them (brother, sister, aunts, uncles) from back on the east coast.

      • DaveH

        Wouldn’t it be nice if we could just send all of them to the East Coast, split off, and let them run their own country into the ground?

  • Devasahayam

    No, it won’t–too many Democruds (including Jim Moran in Northern VA–to whom both I and my wife, in her first-ever US election, sent pink-slips) and RINO’s retained their seats, and will continue their atrocities!

  • Donna

    I’m just waiting for NOV.2nd 2012. The only problem is electronic voting machines and voter fraud!

    • Randy G

      WHY? The world is going to end on Dec. 21 2012. (tongue so far in cheek my teeth are scraping my tonsils)

    • DaveH

      Actually, Donna, I think Electronic voting could be the salvation of our country. With today’s computer technology, it would be easy to set up databases where the votes were stored, and which would be accessible to anybody with the proper software application. We could then easily verify that our votes were cast correctly, counted correctly, and that Dead People, etc. weren’t voting.
      But don’t hold your breath for that one. I don’t think Big Government wants that kind of transparency.

      • Claire

        DaveH–For some reason I have always shied away from absentee voting. I keep thinking that the people that handle absentee ballots could do a lot of damage if they wanted to–perhaps I am wrong on this?

        • DaveH

          That’s what I’m talking about Claire. Especially with absentee ballots, we have no idea how they counted our votes. And they are Government workers. Kind of like hiring the fox to watch the hen house.

  • Nikita63

    The one thing I hope Congress when it is seated in the New Year is to DEMAND Obama’s personal; racords and the proof that he is in fact eligbible to hold the office for which he was never vette by either that no so august body or as much as a single state,; not even the purported home state of Hawaii. Better two years late than never. If
    the 112th Congress has the guts to challenge this megalomaniac in the Oval Office who obviously thinks he is an Emperor , not a president, they may regain a large portion of the respect Congress once had until the bootlicking bastards of the 11th Congress made a sham of representative government. We might also benefit by Obama’s removal and a serious attempt to address out of control abuse of the electorate and the outrageous spending and attitude toward Amrican citizens as opposed to the mollycoddling of Illegals for whom the taxpayers are paying entitlemnts those in their own families can’t qualify for and which only add trememndously to the increasing
    diminshment of our quality of life, our civil liberties and the encroachment into our society of foreign criminals inumbering in the millions and inimical Muslims dedicateds to our destrucxtion and the implenentation of universal savagery under Sharis law. Our borders ought to be closed, our laws enforced and the practice of Islam
    forbidden in the U.S. as it allows no one else a basic freedom guaranteed in the Bill of rights: FREEDOM OF RELIGION! The only real question is whether or not THIS Congress has the GUTS, the RESPONSIBILITY and the ACCOUNTBILITY to do what is necessary for the promotion of the general welfare and the common good as numbers of it’s predecessors, particulary the 111th Congress DID NOT. If not,it
    is only a matter of time before the inevitable occurrs and there is insurrection and the problems are solved in the same fashion that made us a sovereign nation in the first place; revolt against an oppressive government. Hopefully, this Congreess will retuirn to the religiuous and moral standards and economic responsibilities that made us a great and admired nation. Political correctness is a curse; possibly a fatal one. Rome let in the barbaraian and failed when it’s value and culture system was affected; mwe are doing the same wirh Mexicans and Muslims, and unless we address it now, we WILL suffe the same result.

  • Jean

    Frankly, I think we need to look at WHY we’re even paying congress to go to DC. It’s the 21st century…they could more easily, and cheaply telecommute. LiveMeeting, GoToMeeting…any of the online collaboration products would probably work fine for day to day meetings or voting. They could go to DC once or twice a year for a weeklong convention, stay in a moderately priced hotel while there, and spend the rest of the year in their hometowns where they would be in touch with THE PEOPLE who elected them…instead of the lobbyists who corrupt them. It’s time to consider new options…they are no longer serving THE PEOPLE. Split them up, made it harder for lobbyists to reach them en masse, and kept them at home where we could keep an eye on them. And if it makes it more difficult to do business as usual, it’s all good!

    • ValDM

      With you there. You go girl!

    • Patriot

      Repeal their pay and benefits and have them volunteer for service then go back to the private sector! If their net worth increases significantly after their service, JAIL! Then repeal the Fed and start coining our own money, the money is their master and if you stop the flow their power is LOST!

    • Joyce from Loris

      It use to be that way, long ago. I am with you, they should spend their time at home. If you have ever received a letter from your elected official, you will notice ALL the different offices they have in your state. I questioned my officials on why they have so many offices (mine has 9) when they are never here! No answer. All that tax payer money spent on 9 different offices across the state. Who is in those offices and WHY?

  • Jean

    oops, typo…that’s “keep” them at home….

  • Jack

    The problem is Congress is out of touch with the citizens and insulated from the results of their legislation. Eliminate their Retirement Plan and they are on Social Security. Eliminate their Health Care Plan and they are just like the citizens. Require they travel on commercial airlines. Everything they exempt themselves from is broken. Everything they are member to works fine.

    • Kris

      You need to take away their 16,000 dollar a month pension and make them work at least 300 days a year instead of the now newly voted in 100 days a year. Social security can be fixed by removing illegals from getting benefits that they never paid a dime for and to top it out, they get higher benefits than an American citizen who has paid into it for 30 years! Next lock it up so the congress can’t touch it. (you can blame Johnson for that) Next only people who have paid into it get the benefits. In fact, take it back to it’s origins and make it voluntary as it was at it’s inception! That’s what that great Democrat President, Roosevelt promised! It’s time to stop rewarding leeches and punishing the taxpayers!

      • ValDM

        You forgot about all the stealing that has happened over the years. There are IOU’s to SS that are way older than some of our voters. Congress MUST pay back what they STOLE. My personal take on this is that the U.S. Treasury withholds these funds from every Congress person (like your employer witholding from your paycheck) until the IOU’s are redeemed. Since they took it, they should pay it back.

      • DaveH

        The Social Security system is just a Ponzi scheme and will eventually have to be abandoned. But, what gets me is all the talk about cutting benefits, extending requirement age, etc., for the people who have already paid in all their life. We don’t need to do that. We can end the system now, and still pay the retirees what they were promised by selling off the vast Federal land holdings, or maybe even offering portions of Federal land to the retirees instead of their cash benefits. Oh yeah, I know, that would diminish the power of the Federal Government. How sad. NOT!

    • castaway

      Sorry they are not out of touch! Thats the problem. Bunch of damn low life sucking up our money.

  • Conservative at Birth

    We can only hope that all of the members got the message of November 2nd 2010. If you do not get inolved at every level of the proccess and comunicate with your Representative and Senators all will be lost.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    I pray my Representative has seen the hand writing on the wall as for as big government. I may try to see him before he returns to the new congress. I do know him personally, as well as his parents and have let him know where I stand. If he caves in to big government, I think he knows I will do all I can to make sure this will be his last term. Thanks Zappo 777, I totally agree. HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE even as we prepare for each state to cut off funding to Washington, if the dire circumstances demand it.. I have been present on several occasions where our new governor has taken on Obama Care and really believe and pray he will follow thru.

  • Carol

    I am not on anyone’s side when it comes to Washington because all of them no exception are rip off con artists and that is a fact.

    • Harold Olsen

      Politician = Crook. No exceptions!

  • Charles bond

    If they don’t have the guts,then THEY WILL BE GUTTED..They could learn a lot from Ron Paul………….

  • castaway

    You liberals are ALL dumb as a post.

    • Harold Olsen

      I disagree with you. Liberals aren’t even THAT smart!

      • castaway

        Shut up! your cracking me up! LMAO hahahaha

    • DaveH

      It depends on which ones you are talking about. The Liberal leaders are anything but dumb. They have been pulling the wool over the eyes of the voters now for many decades.
      But calling the Liberal followers dumb as posts is an insult to posts.

  • Curtis Eberwein

    One columnist called it “one oozing ball of pork and bad policy, going beyond even the obscene budget of 2000.”

    Who is this columnist? Just wondering since 2000 was a surplus year (and they did it with a Republican Congress and Democrat President).

  • Rodney Armstrong

    I really don’t understand this brainwashing tactic the White House trys to put out to the public about partisan or bi-partisan by our Congress. Our representatives were placed in office to slug it out in the best interest of our citizens, not their pocketbooks. I would rather see the battling out of issues before making a lot of social laws.

    • Independent

      Rodney, you have to understand the meaning of those words. Only Republicans or Independents can be Partisan, according to Democrats. Democrats are never partisan. Bi-Partinship means “I win”, which happens when the Republicans and Independents go along with the Democrats. When Republicans or Independents want Democrats to go along with them, it is “Extreme Partinship.”

  • Mick

    Al Sieber says:
    December 31, 2010 at 8:18 am
    Steve, I’m against violence unless someone screws with me or mine, I agree that it could come down to that, let them fire the first shot, then there will be hell to pay(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    Al…..hey,,,,, Good morning Al…
    Same here,,,,I am not for violence for survival is survival attack me or mine and stand the hell by.
    I have my girl friend of 50 some years always rehashing the same thing over and over” Why can’t everybody get along “,the best explanation I can give her is as long as there is human beings on this earth there will be no such harmony, we always will have some ass-holes disturbing the peace.

    • Al Sieber

      I agree Mick, I wish people could get along, didn’t “Rodney King” say that? “why don’t we all just get along?”. that’s impossible though.

      • DaveH

        It would be a lot more likely, though, if the two major political parties weren’t both trying to ram their pet agendas down everybody else’s throats.

        • Al Sieber

          Right Dave, they keep us divided by religion, politics ,Tv, etc.

  • http://PersonalLiberty John

    We call it a “recession” out of fear and silliness. It’s a depression, plain and simple. The money that governments
    and banks said was there, wasn’t. Greed and gullibility fueled
    this financial crisis and it hasn’t stopped. People are
    still speculating on what will make them rich.
    I.O.U.’s are not money and yet governments and banks force us to accept them as such. Based on gold, our dollar is worth a little
    over one cent (slide rule says 1.47 cents, based on $21.00 per ounce)
    compared to pre-confiscation of bullion and coins (E.O. 6201, 1933).
    The Federal Reserve Bank is not owned and operated by our government,
    as they try to make us believe. Manipulating the flow of cash in the way they do, suggests that ownership is far removed from anything as
    fickle and public as government. Throughout history, private families
    and groups have financed government. The expression, “the power
    behind the throne”, is quite applicable here. Our government has made great strides in the past century to remove our rights. Trace every “crisis” we have ever had and look at what freedoms we gave
    up to have “security”. The very people we employ to protect us are
    worse than the ones we want to be protected from. Police officers HIDE behind their badges to commit every crime you can think of.
    When, or even if, they’re brought to trial, the combination of
    a cowed jury and a misguided jurist absolves them of any wrongdoing. In what other line of work does a marginally educated and marginally
    trained person have the right to kill because he or she was scared?
    Even the military has far more stringent rules about the use of deadly
    force, even in combat areas.
    We have given up much over the years to gain security from our government. Do you feel secure? Government agencies know where
    you are, 24/7: your zip code within yards and your cell phone, within a few feet.How long will it take a cop to get to you in an
    emergency? In the same kind of emergency, how long will it take
    them to get to another cop? Police departments aren’t there to
    “protect and serve” the civilian population, they are an on-site army
    in case we finally revolt. Think back to Hitler’s “brown shirts” and you get the idea.

    • castaway

      I think there are going to be a lot of dumb cops buying the farm. Bullets kill them as well as anyone!

  • hundabuxt

    I fear that if the new congress doesn’t draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough, we stop the spending escalation now and don’t raise the cap, we’ll have tipped the balance toward the inevitable soon to come default like Greece, Ireland and soon Spain and others. This is either a well planned dismantling of America or our so called “representation” are so drunk with greed and power they can’t see the damage they’re doing to us or simply don’t give a damn. They clearly don’t listen to those who elected them and the liberals in our midst are the cancer of American society.

  • Laura

    Liberals simply never grew up they are nothing more than whining children, they create their own reality in their delusioinal imaginary minds, as everything they claim only exists in their imaginations…’yesterdays flower children, todays blooming idiots’ Of any generation that has ever existed on the planet they represent the lowest form of intellect as they have none. They represent the lowest form of life one can possibly be; drug addiction, poor hygiene, no ambition, no ethics, no self-respect for themselves or anyone else, they all belong in a cess pool.

    • castaway

      Most of them are already there Laura, or darn near. They are turning this entire country into a cess pool.

    • Joyce from Loris

      And they VOTE. Even if the new Congress cuts the spending on items like welfare, medicaid, food stamps, etc., the people who are sitting at home, on their computers and talking on their cell phone, waiting for their food stamps and welfare checks, will VOTE OUT anyone who tries to take their checks away. Big government HAS to be decreased. It HAS to step aside and let the American people do what they do best. Succeed or die. We all have that choice, and HALF this nation thinks that the other half should give them their money, so they can live the same way the working class people live. There are NO POOR PEOPLE in this nation anymore. I was a poor child. We did not have a car, no phone, no television, no new clothes, and we ate beans and rice EVERY DAY. The welfare people today ALL have telephones, CELL PHONES, food stamps, computers… they have everything that I HAVE. The only difference is that I WORK, THEY DON’T. But they still vote.

      • Karolyn

        Joyce – I gotta tell you somethinn’: I live in an area with a great deal of welfare; and the majority of those people never vote! I don’t know where you people get that info from. Unless you’re in the trenches, you just don’t know what you’re talking about!

        • Joyce from Loris

          Karolyn, I AM in the trenches. I live not very far from you, right here in SC. And yes, I know exactly what I am talking about. I watched these people the first of every month. I watch them going to the grocery store. I have TALKED to these people on welfare, watched them purchase suits that cost $200 to wear to church. Yes, I see it everyday. I was in the doctor’s office, getting new lenses for my glasses, because I could not afford to purchase new frames. While there, I watched SIX people get their eyes examined for $3 dollars, and they bought new glasses for $5. I questioned the receptionist, and she told me it was all medicaid. All these people drove a newer, nicer car than I drive. I know lots of people who get food stamps, yet have a computer at home. That’s just not right.

          • Claire

            Joyce from Loris–I agree with your comments. I have observed the same things. Especially at the grocery stores. Believe me, people on welfare eat real good in Illinois. And they dress nice too. Oh, the grocery stores are really busy today–they have to “use up” their “Link” card since it is nearing the end of the year. Whoops, gotta go, the weather is bad here–tornado watches, have to get the dogs downstairs like right now!

          • Karolyn

            Joyce, I believe you. What I SAID was They Don’t vote! How do you think Nicki Haley got in?

          • libertytrain

            And yet who voted for Ms. Haley? Voter turnout is said to have been significantly higher in SC this election — someone was voting —

          • Karolyn

            Liberty, My point is that the people being talked about did not vote. Democrats did not come out in force. I work with a black woman who is politically aware and educated. She was amazed at all the people she knows who did not vote. I only hope that electing another Republican into governorship in South Carolina does not take this state even further down than it already is. Keeping the “status quo,” as it were.

        • Joyce from Loris

          Nicci Haley got in because WE voted her in. How do you think Barack Obama got voted in??? Certainly, not by ME. After being totally disgusted by the republicans handling of our nation’s laws and MONEY, many conservatives threw their hands up when the 2008 elections came, and sat at home, watching ball games, instead of going to the polls. What a shock they received. They thought it could not get any worse by not participating, but Obama showed them differently. The mid term election was the result of “setting at home, not voting”. The conservatives woke up and went back to the polls in November, and I think they will NEVER set at home again during an election. They now see what can happen.

        • DaveH

          I’m kind of inclined to agree with Karolyn. I think most of them are too lazy to vote. But there is the Democrat technique of rounding them up and busing them to the polls. Maybe I can find some stats on that.
          What I have read in the past is that the administrators of those systems are the ones who fight hardest to keep them in place (for obvious reasons).

        • DaveH
    • Karolyn

      Wow, Laura, what did a flower child ever do to you? You are one hateful person painting people you don’t agree with with an awfully broad stroke. By your words, you are showing yourself to be in a class with those described with your words – essentially, low-class.

    • eddie47d

      You are way off base ,loony Laura!

  • http://7Faithshane@gmail.com SHANE P MEEKINS

    My dear friends thee Ansor is none of the above,point blank! S.O.S LIFE OR DEATH NO SHORT CUTS.
    If the people in Washington DC, the heads of government IN THE CAPITOL WILL GET ON THERE KNEES AND CRY CRY CRY OUT TO GOD AND REPENT FROM THERE WICKED WAYS AND TURN FROM THERE SINS WITH THERE HOLE HEARTS.PS THE KINGS OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS, ONLY WITH A TRUE REPENTANCE,GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED. 2-CHRONICLES CHAPTER 7: VER 13,14 AND IF NOT HELL BOUND. MATTHEW ->CHAPTER 7:VER 13,14. P’s will turn from there wicked ways, which means sin, folly, selfishness, greed, lieying, cheating, {ADULTERY} PS obama is satans pone and avakit. THEES ARE HARD Word’s. BUT GOD IS THE BANNER OF TRUTH NOT FACTS. FACTS HAVE HOLES IN IT THAT’S WHY ITS NOT PURE.GOD IS THEE ONLY JUDGE. HE loves the sinners but hates the -SIN- HE DOES NOT WANT YOU TO PARISH AND GO TO HELL. HELL IS REAL IT IS ABOUT 6THOUSAND 250 MILES TO THE CENTER CORE OF THEE EARTH THAT’S WHERE HELL IS, WHICH IS ABOUT THE SYIS OF NORTH-AMERICA. I PLEAD WITH YOU GIVE ALL YOUR HEART SOUL AND MIND TO JESUS THE CHRIST THE LORD, BEFORE ITS TO LATE AS YOUR SAVIOR. PS YOU CANNOT PLAY RUSSIAN RULET WITH YOUR SOUL. GOD BLESS YOU I will pray for you { I CARE. } People on line here I plead with you give your life to Jesus the Christ truly, born gain. And find a good church where they preach the fire of God, a GOD FEARING CHURCH and sin no more. Ps PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL LETTER.

  • castaway

    I think what most of you seem to be missing, is the fact that our government knows full well what it is doing,and its plan. It is using us to the full extent and making dumb suckers of all of us. They are all so crooked you will be able to screw them into the ground at death.

    • Richard

      castaway: Not all of us are duped sheeple. But there are a hell of a lot of citizens who should not be qualified to vote, but do. I think it’s time for requiring a test of prospective voters before they are allowed to register. Here are some ideas: If they are on welfare, no registration. If they are incarcerated, no vote. They must demonstrate a knowledge of our Constitution and Bill Of Rights. They must demonstrate a knowledge of the separation of powers. They must be able to read and write English. They must be American citizens and prove that they are. They must demonstrate a knowledge of the difference between a democracy and a Constitutional Republic. I’m sure you can think of more.

      • Joyce from Loris

        That’s just TOO Brilliant too work in this corrupt nation, Richard. You are spot on, but the wicked would never allow it to happen. They DEPEND on ignorance.

      • Karolyn

        Wouldn’t that be against the Constitution? And correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t convicted felons excluded from voting? I know they can’t vote while incarcerated.

        • Joyce from Loris

          Yes, most of that is against the constitution, but the issue of the felons voting… in Chicago, during the mid term elections in November, the military did NOT receive their absentee ballots in time to vote, but the INCARCERATED did receive their ballots. Go figure. I didn’t think that felons could vote either, but they got ballots in Chicago, and they voted.

          • Joyce from Loris

            I forgot to add this… when the Constitution was written, there was NO SUCH THING AS WELFARE. People took care of themselves and their own, NO QUESTIONS. Those who choose not to work, did without, that simple. There were “Have’s and Have not’s”. But they all had a choice. If our founders had known that our nation would turn into a class of people who felt they were “owed” other people’s money, I am sure there would have been a clause to that item. But our founders, I am sure, could not ever had imagined people like that existing.

  • FreedomFighter

    Lets say 60 percent or more of the population are sheeple, they will not fight for what they believe, thats if they believe in anything that much.

    Then we have about 10 percent the evil “sinistra”, willing to do anything, say anything to further the agenda of evil marxys as willing or duped eager tools.

    The rest of us need to have the “guns” to return America to Americans for Americans, to live free, with liberty and equal justice under the law for all.

    The fight is who wants what more, evil Marxies, or freedom and liberty loving Americans?

    I belive the side that fights hardest will prevail, pulling the sheeple along the path.

    2011 the fight for America.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • castaway

      Yes and unfortunatly it will take guns and violence, because voting is a joke and simply will no longer work. It amazes me how many people here really believe they can do something by voting. WE voted in November, and what did it get us? When the fighting begins I will be right by your side.

      • FreedomFighter

        Peacefull decent is the way

        If it comes to armed retaking of American goverment, let the US Miltary do the job, and we support them.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Richard

        castaway: I think voting is more important now than ever. After all, we did turn the House over to conservatives last month. But I understand what you mean. It’s the duped sheeple who keep electing liberal, anti-Constitution socialists who are the problem. They need to be enlightened on what they are doing to our Republic! Too many of them are living on the dole and expecting their neighbors (us taxpayers) to support them. So, let’s keep trying and let’s keep voting conservative.

        • WiseOvOwl

          Haha, Richard I like that term Sheeple for dumbed down “domesticated” people. ^5

    • JC

      Just to add to that, here’s a breakdown of demographics concerning American gun ownership.

      http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

  • Richard

    Already the news is that some of the old and new members of Congress are showing signs of doing “business as usual”. That may or may not be true. But the bottom line is that we, The People, are their employers and we must stay involved and let them know that we are watching and we have the ability to fire them in 2012 if they don’t perform as conservatives. The Obummer administration is attempting to gag conservative talk and comment on the air waves and cable and we must RESIST THIS AT ALL COST!

  • Patriot

    Repeal their pay and benefits and have them volunteer for service then go back to the private sector! If their net worth increases significantly after their service, JAIL! Then repeal the Fed and start coining our own money, the money is their master and if you stop the flow their power is LOST!

  • Tom SC

    Reading the comments on this site makes me wonder about what our leaders were discussing back about 1774-75. We certainly need these kind of free thinking indviduals today, but even more we need some people with the intestinal fortitude to act on their thoughts. We need to give the 112th congress a little time to show us what they can do and act accordingly.

  • barbm

    my congressman is charlie gonzalez who is mainly concerned with continuing to breathe with his nose shoved so far up obama’s butt. his second priority is representing hispanics – both legal and illegal. i have hopes that we may be able to get him out next time as several well known hispanics in san antonio recently came out in a strong effort to get legal hispanics organized to support the republican/tea party. while the mainstream media keep pushing the idea that ALL hispanics are for amnesty and open borders, those of us who know the truth know that MOST legal hispanics are not. with cornyn and hutchison for senators, you can bet they’ll be looking for lots of pork.

  • jopa

    This article is totally unbelievable.A democrat when nobody was looking placed millions of dollars worth of pork in the bill for republicans that they knew nothing about.Are your readers that stupid to believe this?If so I have some gold to sell them.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Welllll___I’m gonna refrain on saying what I think will happen in the “New” Congress of 2011, until we see what kind of Testicular Fortitude they show once they’re in there. The self described skeptic in me says that I have my doubts that its going to change much, but the hope in me says, lets give it a shot and see what happens. It can’t be much worse than the frickin’ “Train Wreck” we have in there now.__Time will tell!

  • WiseOvOwl

    Aho, very good point Chip. “We the People” are going have to be the watch dog on these issues. We need to adopt the policy of perform what you pledge or get fired and someone else will get hired in the upcoming elections; you’re vote record is going to be the tell tale string of your constitutional and your representational faithfulness. We the people are still going to rally and decipher all candidates. The uphill march has only just started. It is not a time to lay at ease but to remain engaged. We shall be the cheer leaders to those who we appointed to serve in government who are doing the right thing. Keep behind them and remain engaged in worthy elected representatives in communicating your appreciation for good decisions. They must constantly hear from you in these matters. This will keep them in constant reminder of who sent them.
    To you Chip: I appreciate your articals.

  • http://www.camerareviewhere.com Blaine D

    It will be up to us to get the 112th congress to act how “We the People” expect them to act. The 111th congress stopped listening and many paid the price for not listening to us. The question is whether anything can even get done in the first place. Senate still controlled by Reid and Obama can veto anything that doesn’t fit his progressive agenda. We might have two years of nothing but budget battles, you know the house will try some kind of repeal of obamacare that the Senate will block. We might see a reform of fanny and freddie, to once again probaly be blocked in the Senate. I have a feeling we will see nothing much happen unless Obama truly comes to the center like Clinton. I don’t think his personal idealogy will let him do that very often, the tax deal was different. He couldn’t allow middle class taxes to increase or they would certainly use that against him in the next election. It will be intersting but we must stay vigilant in watching, listening and letting our voices be heard.

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    Find the facts and don’t forget the history.

  • http://widowsenternetexplorer Roy Mentzer Ariz.

    I’m in construction or I was in construction!I started out almost fifty years ago enstalling cabinets.I worked peasemeal and and made a desent living,then I was forsed to train illegals to do my job at less than four dollars an hour.then I got a construction license and became a general contractor,I bid on government work only to fine I didn’t meet the mibority requirements.Then was the time to do something,but who would listen?I worked for fifty years never collecting unemplyment and I’m sorry to say Its my only choise now.I’ve had legal mexicans work for and with me and have no proble.
    pesedent REAGAN offerd amnisty but very few took advantage,Why?
    Why are they Mexican anericans instead of American? It’s their choice!
    McCain is my concressman but I have little faith in him,He has done nothing for my state.In fact he voted for start,big mistake!
    The dream act was a good bill,but the democrates had to add,as I have read, a numerous ear marks that were more pork spending.Why isn’t this made public? Instead of the hispanics reading it as a toyal rejection of the dream act.
    If Sarah Palin was to run tomorrow,she would get my vote,shes not afraid of the istablishment,which she has proved.she is an American by heart.I know she has no friends in eighther party,they are afraid of her,and rightfully so.

    • Karolyn

      the only reason they might be “afraid” of her is because she has so many sheeple behind her who love her own brand of “folksiness.” She’d probably bring the White House to reality TV.

      • Al Sieber

        Karolyn, have you ever read the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights?

        • Al Sieber

          K., SARAH PALIN doesn’t count if she don’t follow the Law of the Land.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    We need to be reminded that all politics are local and we must be vigilant on the state and local level. I think there may be a good possibility that each state may have to quit funding the federal government and do their best to take care of it’s citizen’s. If this should come to pass you will need state and local leaders that have morals and have exhibited honesty and integrity in their dealings with others. I pray we have elected some of these type people in our state as there was a sweep that changed our legislature after 165 years of the same party being in control. As a result of the election, we already have new ethics legislation passed that will make it much harder for the corruption to continue. I believe the good guys outnumber the bad guys and we have them surrounded. FIGHT ON, AS IT IS ALWAYS RIGHT TO DO RIGHT.

  • chuckb

    roy menster ariz.

    please tell me what is so good about the dream act? even if you took the pork out. the only dream act we should have is millions of illegals streaming back to the carribean, mexico and latin america. the dream act would only bring millions more illegals. just enforce the laws on the books and forget all these political ploys to gather votes for barry.
    ledbetter:
    have you no pity for california, could you imagine the spending frenzy by the liberal politicians in our state, jerry brown would think of it as the second coming if they kept the federal funds.
    it’s too late, we either force the government to do the right thing or capitulate to a socialist failed society. waiting for the term of a congressman or senator to expire and hoping to get someone to do the right thing is not working, years go flying by and nothing gets done except the government gets more control. demand the change now or else. demand the healthcare bill is repealed, demand our oil is drilled for in alaska and in the lower states, open the offshore oil that barry shut down in order to cause prices to go thru the roof so his battery cars will be forced on the people. demand the immigration laws are enforced and the borders closed to all immigration. demand the illegals are forced to go home.

  • tracycolorado

    They All Are Bought Off On Both Sides Of The Isle . We Have Found That Out On Dont Ask , Dont Tell , Food Safety Bill S 5 1 0 , Nuclear Weopens Treaty S T A R T . They All Have Sold Their Souls and This Country for Money and Position . NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE . NONE Of the Corrupt Bastards and Bitches Want To Abollish ALL Earmarks , Abollish Frivous Medical Malpratice Lawsuits , Term Limets or Anything Else That Will Take The SIlVER SPOON Out Of Their Mouths . GET READY , BE PREPARED , YOU AINT SEEN ANYTHING YET . BACON < BEANS < BULLETS < WATER < GUNS and more BULLETS . Buy Silver If You Can . DO Not STore Precious Metals and Guns In A Bank Safety Deposit Box , During A Financial Collapse ALL Banks Will Be Closed

  • Anthony

    CHIP -

    Curious…. do we know the names of those 77 who skipped out early?

    • Claire

      Anthony: Good question.

  • Karolyn

    Having heard the term “Progressive” used so often here, I finally decided to check into the definition. Here is one article I came across. I find it to be a very admirable trait.

    http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-madison/politics101-what-is-a-progressive-what-is-progressivism

    Progressivism is a term describing a political movement and ideology in which the subscribers believe in progress, change, or reform, particularly in regard to whom has control over the government.

    Progressives are generally considered to represent the far left; they tend not to like the status quo and see the current political climate as being dominated by corporate interests.

    Progressives embrace pluralism. Their platform includes social justice, pacifism, environmentalism, and human rights. They believe in the democratic process via more direct voter control and they champion consumer rights.

    Some Democrats, and a few Republicans, consider themselves to be Progressives. However, Progressives are not shy about criticizing the Obama Administration which they feel is not doing enough to fulfill the promise of equal rights for all (including gays) and to provide affordable health care for all (most Progressives believe in a single-payer system).

    The History of the Progressive Movement and its Founder “Fighting Bob” LaFollette

    The Progressive movement is said to have arisen out the industrial complex of the late 19th early 20th century. Sen. Robert M. LaFollete of Wisconsin is considered to be the Father of the Progressive movement.

    LaFollette served in Congress from 1906 to 1925. Prior to that he was Governor of Wisconsin (1901 – 1906) and a U.S. Representative (1885 – 1891). Interestingly, LaFollette was a Republican. However, he took issue with the changing ideals of Republican party which he believed had abandoned its anti-slavery origins and had become a tool for corporate interests. He began building an independent faction within the party that stressed voter control over what he percieved as control by industry and the railroads.

    The Progressive Party in the U.S.

    The Progress Party was founded in 1912 by Republican Theodore Roosevelt, after he lost the Republican nomination to William Howard Taft. The party became known as the Bull Moose Party. Roosevelt is said to have described the Progressive Party’sn platform as one “to destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics.” Political historians say that Roosevelt’s split from the Republican Party allowed the conservatives to gain control of that party, an ideology which it had not previously embraced.

    Robert LaFollette, however, took issue with Roosevelt and did not support the former President’s bid for re-election. LaFollette himself ran for President on the Progressive Party ticket in 1924, carrying Wisconsin as well as 17% of the national popular vote. Shortly after his defeat, the national party dissolved, although several state versions remained strong for awhile, including the Progressive Party of Wisconsin which was active from 1934 to 1946.

    The Progressive Movement Today

    The Progressive movement in the U.S. today represents more of a grassroots effort to bring about socio-political change. Many politicians desiring to avoid the label “liberal” have adopted the term “progressive” to describe their political leanings.

    The Center for American Progress founder John Podesta described the difference between liberals and progressives this way: “Liberals tend to care more about individual freedom, while progressives care more about the public good.”

    While some may think that to be a progressive means to be in favor of big government, in fact a true progressive would say they believe in “power to the people.” They see the government as the elected representation of the people and feel that the government ought to be more responsive to the needs of the people.

  • Claire

    I wish everyone a Happy New Year. A new year that will bring good health, happiness, prosperity, and a safe, wonderful future for all.
    God bless.

    • Karolyn

      Same too you Claire. Glad you’re out of the basement. Hope all is OK. I saw wheere the tornadoes were yesterday and your post about getting the dogs downstairs.

      • Claire

        Karolyn: They think it was a tornado that hit Petersburg- about 20 miles NE of Springfield. They haven’t called it a tornado yet but I imagine it was, probably an F1. 22 homes were damaged and one totally destroyed, plus farm buildings, machinery, etc. We dodged the bullet this time. F2s hit my house twice. I picked a tube of lipstick out of the bathroom wall. My wedding rings were in this bathroom, I had taken them off to wash my hands and left them laying there. The pressure inside the house took those rings and everything out of the medicine cabinet and dumped it all in the bathtub. Needless to say, I found my rings and never left them like that again! Everything was taken out of the refrigerator and thrown all over the kitchen walls. I had eggs all over the kitchen and the windows were blown out. The 6 ft. cedar fence around the back yard was torn down. My neighbors all pitched in to get the fence back up for my dogs. An F1 hit it once. Some damage to my roof and tore out my picture window. Lightning hit one of my big trees and split it right down the middle.
        Egads, when those sirens go off (I hate the sound of them) I figure I have 10 minutes to hide. Yesterday it was 63 degrees, overcast and stormy but for some reason I did not think we would have to worry about tornadoes this time of year. Boy, was I wrong. I got the dogs downstairs and we stayed with them. During the spring, I always put them downstairs ahead of time just in case the storms turn hostile. Arkansas was hit pretty bad. Hurricanes are horrific but at least a person has plenty of time to get out. One never knows when a tornado is going to pop up, all I know is that a person has to run and hide as fast as they can. As I have said before we used to never have tornadoes, now we are in tornado alley right along with Kansas, OK, MO, NE etc.

        • eddie47d

          What a way to start out the new year.Glad you’re okay. There are strange weather patterns throughout the world … but you don’t dare talk about it for fear of being called a climate change nut. It’s too wide spread not to notice.

          • kate8

            Claire – Glad you are okay! Yikes.

            eddie – No one denies the climate changes. It always has, throughout all time. It is the cyclic nature of things.

            Where I live it’s been cooler than usual the past couple of years. This summer was VERY mild, this winter VERY cold and wet. Over the past decade we’ve even had a few tornadoes touch down here and there.

            Things just don’t stay the same. EVER.

          • Claire

            Kate8–eddie47d–Karolyn– I certainly hope this is not a sign of things to come! No, I am not superstitious. I will simply keep looking for the bright side of issues. I hope many good things will happen during this new year–then I can do the “happy dance.”

        • Karolyn

          Wow! Glad you’re OK. The weather is getting more and more topsy-turvy. Many places are getting tornadoes that never did before. The snow we had here in SC on Christmas night was the first December snow in at least 50 years. Today it’s 60! I was born and raised in NJ, and we never had tornadoes there either. Now they have been getting them in certain areas. Same with North and South Carolina. There is no “normal” or “average” anymore when it comes to weather! I am fortunate (especially since I live in a mobile home!) that most tornadic weather goes right around us.

  • Robert Hagedorn

    Do a search: The First Scandal Adam and Eve.

  • Wlmitch1

    I know exactly which side MY Congressman (the one I voted AGAINST on November 2) John Dingell, D-MI, will be on! He will be on the side of pro-Big Government business-as-usual politics. I cannot wait for 2012 so I can try to vote him OUT again!

  • http://com i41

    Karolyn, Sarah bringing a reality show to the WH, would be a great thing. We know Onumnutts and his radical domestic terrorists are planning more ways to quickly destroy the USA. If there was a reality show durning Whorehound Clinton reign,everyone would know where and how Vince Foster was disposed of. Or how Hillary hid out the Rose law firms legal records, and between the 2 of them, several porn videos could have been made, for starters. Since Onumnutts has a proclivity for queers, muslims and dominatent big butchy sows. The non stop gathering of the questionable clowns, that wander through the halls, with marxist communist intents and the complete destruction of the USA. As for sheeple, the whole marxist,communist, union, democrat, socialist party are full fledged Soros Socialist Smuck Sheeples with now minds of their own.

  • chuckb

    141

    it’s amazing how all these people sit through the clinton administration and don’t realize all that you say took place. where were they? oh i know, watching cbs, abc, cnn and nbc.

    happy new year to you

    • Karolyn

      All I remember is that they were good years for the country.

      • Mick

        Karolyn says:
        January 1, 2011 at 9:29 am
        All I remember is that they were good years for the country.

        &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&7
        Well Karolyn with the facade the liberals put on they would make you think that a pile of crap taste like chocolate when in reality they’re just masking their misdeeds and you people keep buying it.. It’s 2011 please Try to wake up..
        Happy new-Year…

        • eddie47d

          Incarceration is big business in America. Some prisons or at least the guards and officials lobby for longer sentences .Not because of any danger but for job security. What a sick racket and not much different than businesses hiring undocumented workers so they can pad their own pocket.

  • Mick

    Karolyn says:
    December 31, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    Wouldn’t that be against the Constitution? And correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t convicted felons excluded from voting? I know they can’t vote while incarcerated.
    (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

    Karolyn…….think again……………..

    No Restrictions
    •Two states impose no restrictions whatsoever on voting by convicted felons. Maine and Vermont permit felons to vote, even if they are imprisoned. In other words, even upon a felony conviction, the voting rights of residents of these two New England states remain in full force

    Read more: Which States Allow Convicted Felons to Vote? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6500867_states-allow-convicted-felons-vote_.html#ixzz19ncLCWhs

    • Al Sieber

      Well Mick. if people read the laws of the land they would understand what they lost.

  • Xombie Stomp

    Reading some of these comments, it’s clear to me that the media and politicians have convinced most people that this is a democracy. When I pledge my allegiance, it’s to a Republic. To me that means we don’t have to wait for the “next election”. It means you get rid of the politicians that aren’t doing what they swore to. Most importantly, to uphold the Constitution! Yet there they sit, untouched. Now that they have full control of the internet too, I really don’t see much in the way of options to organize before your local ATF thugs shut you down. It saddens me that we’ve let it get this far. Welcome NWO. We’ve allowed you to put pretty much all of your plans into action. What else can we give you? You want my guns? Sure thing. Come get em. I’ll be sure to give you the bullets first!

  • Carol Fryer

    Alot of people actually believe the constitution is a living document, to be twisted to whatever our government wants. This is how we have birthright citizenship and now health care nationally, among other stupidity. It may have seemed like a good time because you were temporarily being pacified, but when you put out something free and the multitudes start running to receive it your life boat sinks. And as Ive heard so many times, you will soon run out of other peoples money. There just wont be enough. And just like the census proves this year, people will flee areas where they have to support others. Then who will support you?

  • Vigilant

    “Will the New Congress Have the Guts to Do It?”

    The Repubs are perfectly poised to…compromise themselves into defeat by 2012. Compromising with the left will dilute their principles and take us closer to destruction, and whatever conservative gains they make to improve the economy will be hijacked by the Dems and labeled as their own ideas.

    • Mick

      Vigilant says:
      January 1, 2011 at 3:49 pm
      “Will the New Congress Have the Guts to Do It?”

      The Repubs are perfectly poised to…compromise themselves into defeat by 2012. Compromising with the left will dilute their principles and take us closer to destruction, and whatever conservative gains they make to improve the economy will be hijacked by the Dems and labeled as their own ideas.

      &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
      Vigilant,,,,

      This is so true, first of all the Republicans shouldn’t compromise on the issues the people voted them in for , in the real world it would be called false advertisement and second haven’t they learn yet that the liberals having no morals or scruples will always take credit for what works and blame for what doesn’t, this practice has been around for decades and seem to be continuing with the help of those who refuse to see….We’re definitely not out of the woods yet unless this coming congress quit giving in to those terrestrial leeches..

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:

    12-1-11

    I read most of what has been said, Patrick H.; we wandere into so mnay subtopics, all vialbe and certainly worthy of a comment or two, that capturing one favorite became challenging.

    My statement is brief. Do a RECALL with a low required number of signatures when they start changing their votes to opposite of what they declared in their speeches. We will keeep records of what they once said and how opposite they are voting on what they had said!! My state loves to do recalls. We should be doing a RECALL with Obama. The list of his lies and promises would be as long as the distance from the west is to the east if paper were used to list them.!!

    Term limits need to be shorter for both, The House and the Senate. Demand that all elected officials adhere to the laws they imposed upon us,i.e. same medical care, same pension formulas, same regulations they impose on us, cut the free airplane for the Speaker of the House, reduce the travel of all appointed officials,(Napolitano’s trip to Afghanistan was nothing more than a time away from what she can’t do on the Mexican Border!). Get the point?

  • chuckb

    wiselady

    you are truly a wise lady.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    To the new Rep. Congressmen and Senator: Stay the course. Don’t compromise with those who would destroy America. Follow the Constitution and listen to those who put you in office. To not follow these concepts is to do so at your own political peril. You will either shine as a leader fighting the good fight or be relagated to the dust bins of History.

  • Papa

    There are many “issues” which might require some compromise, even among the most staunch conservative in Congress. One such issue was the continuation of our current tax rates, which even Ron Paul voted for. At the time it was the best deal around, and FAR superior to everyone productively employed seeing their income tax rate RISE on January 1st.

    What we CANNOT abide is anyone who compromises their PRINCIPLES! Among the newly elected let’s hope they all understand the difference.

    We can work to repeal the 16th Amendment and eliminate the income tax, in favor of some sort of “consumption” tax which is much more fair and equitable. By exempting “food, water and medicine” from such taxes we penalize no-one and help the poor who buy little more than these basics, while the “RICH” (who consume much more of everything else than the poor) actually pay the lions share of such a tax, without recourse to any “tax shelter” or a bevy of tax lawyers and accountants to hide their true wealth. It simply won’t matter, because “as they consume goods and services they pay tax!”

    “IMPORTS” from abroad should face a higher tax rate than domestic products. That’s totally fair to everyone involved…

  • chuckb

    first thing the new congress should do is hit barry between the eyes with a repeal of the healthcare bill, secondly enforce the immigration laws and close the border, third, start an exit line for the south border and head all illegals south.
    actually what will happen, they will wait and see what the courts decide on the healthcare bill, if the courts decide it’s un-constitutional they are home free, if not, they will throw the ball around and make it look like they are trying to do something and barry will veto it and end of that venture, no more said. by this time the rino’s in the congress will have the fledglings under their wing and a few trips to the golf course and things will be back to normal. they will compromise themselves out of office in two years.

  • OTR Trucker

    FYI John and castaway. As a certified and still part time police officer I really think you should shut your mouths about shooting police officers especially since more of them are going to be on the side of the people rather than this screwed up government. All the officers I work with and know from years of police work feel the same way. And the really fun part of it is that if and when the S— hits the fan most of us already have our Bug-Out Kits prepared. Do you? Having two children in the military at the present time also gives me some insight into how they would react, which is much the same as I will. Let us just hope and pray it never comes to that extreme.
    As to the original question posed at the start of this discussion, all we can do is hope for the best from our newly elected representatives but stay aware of their voting records and let them know if they screw up. If we do that and if we can survive another two years of the Obanination perhaps we can get it back on track.
    Ever Vigilant, Cocked and Locked and My Powder IS Dry.

  • Robert

    Sorry to say, but the newly elected republicans to congress will find a hostility from their own party if they try to change our country for the better. Those that were not thrown out last November have the power to stop any real reform. I wouldn’t be surprised if those newly elected politicians aren’t threaten along with their families if they don’t fall in line with the old guard. And can someone drop Nancy Pelosi off at her home when she leaves Washington. Preferbaly at 30,000 feet. And have Harry Reid go on a hunting trip with Dick Cheney. I understand that Dick has been practicing on his aim.

  • Bill

    Robert,

    My sentiments exactly.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:
    1-4-11

    I believe that about 50% will endure the onslought of the liberals and the other 50% will cave into the liberal mentality. All this change is going to take more than one election, folks. we have a lot of work to do; keep well informed, get facts straight, get to know your neigbors and educate them on hoW your local, state and national elected officials are behaving and scream louder than the liberals in the media to demand the change we want. RECALL!, USE IT AT EVERY LEVEL!

  • jopa

    Everyone is is such a rush these days.Seventy seven representatives were in such a rush they didn’t vote on the spending package.During the swearing in ceremony two senate repulicans to be, ran out of the room to meet with lobbyists and had to be sworn in the next day.Business as usual.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:
    1-9-11

    I did not learn that some Congressmen ran out to meet with lobbyists during the swearing in. I know that two Republicans were celebrating and raised their hand in front of the TV while the swearing-in was being conducted. A heffty fine,established before the time of the Ceremony, should have been imposed. They were all sent there to work for us..it’s not a Frat party. It acould be deducted from their pay check and let them suffer the, pinch for not receiving a full pay check. I say a $10,000 fine would have made them show up and remain there. Call it the beginning of filling the Pork Bank to begin to close the hughe debt. Hit them where it hurts. Hope Boehaner reads this. We’re always being “Pinched” by learning that gas prices are going up, local and state taxes and more.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:
    1-9-11

    I did not learn that some Congressmen ran out to meet with lobbyists during the swearing in. I know that two Republicans were celebrating and raised their hand in front of the TV while the swearing-in was being conducted. A heffty fine,established before the time of the Ceremony, should have been imposed. They were all sent there to work for us..it’s not a Frat party. It could be deducted from their pay check and let them suffer the, pinch for not receiving a full pay check. I say a $10,000 fine would have made them show up and remain there. Call it the beginning of filling the Pork Bank to begin to close the hughe debt. Hit them where it hurts. Hope Boehaner reads this. We’re always being “Pinched” by learning that gas prices are going up, local and state taxes and more.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:
    1-10-11

    To papa: I have been around the poor and the rich. the poor neighborhoods where I taught were cluttered with trash; lottery tickets,lottery tickets, lottery tickets, old cars, old TVs. in their yards, and their children came to school hungry, poorly clothed, some angry, abused or neglected with a father or mother in Jail or were going there. They were gang infested neighborhoods. Very painful to see it go on. I traveled an hour to teach there as a substitute teacher and lived in a very comfortable community

    The comfortable commmunity was always raising money to help the poor, donate to hospitals, volunteer to help the abused children, fosterhomes, teen pregnancy, food drives for military families, help our vets when they return from war, build hospitals, cinics, Universties, raise scholarship money for the poor. Social life is; buy a ticket for a benefit. They pay high taxes, too,and work hard to pay for tuition because our schools lack in maintaining high expectations. Oh! I almost forgot, many of them own big companies and they write a lot of checks for their employees.

    The real missery is in our local, county, state and Federal government. They waste money like there is no tommorw! Now they are all broke!!!!

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