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Will Looters Target You?

June 27, 2011 by  

Will Looters Target You?

Protecting your property — whether your home, your animals or your garden — is key, especially if there’s been a breakdown in civil order.

A reader asked: “What is the best way to misdirect potential thieves and looters from your property?”

Another reader said: “We’re in a rural setting, we’ve got chickens and, depending on the season, a garden that would make an inviting target. We’re currently in the process of hardening the house proper, but we still have sheds, a chicken coop and a workshop to keep in mind. I’d rather people just pass us by than have to fight anyone off.”

Protection is something everyone needs to consider, no matter his level of preparedness. I’ll cover the urban situation first.

Misdirecting Thieves And Looters

In short, make sure your neighbors look like better targets than you do. Criminals are creatures of opportunity and will, in general, pick the targets that offer the most potential reward in exchange for the least potential risk.

Also, look at your house as if you were a thief. Do you have a big-screen TV, a gun case or other valuables in plain view through your windows? If so, move the items so they aren’t easily visible.

If you have an alarm system, make sure you have signs advertising the fact and use your alarm. It won’t stop a truly determined home invader, but it will give you a few seconds’ advanced warning. If you don’t have an alarm, consider getting one or at least getting alarm stickers.

While you’re looking at your house through the eyes of a thief, do you see any places where you could hide — either because of bushes or because of shadows? One of the most basic things you should do is to add lighting with motion sensors on the approaches to your house. Also, consider clearing out the bushes that provide concealment or replacing them with roses or other thorny bushes.

The next thing is to look at your doors. Do they look secure? Is the bolt lock a high-end one or the $12 special from Home Depot that lock-pickers use for practice when they first start picking locks?

How about your windows? Fragile antique windows may look great architecturally, but they are also very inviting to someone who wants to break in. If replacing old windows isn’t an option, install some inexpensive alarms, back up old locks with a piece of wood or PVC cut to size to prevent someone from opening the window from the outside and apply security film.

Perhaps most important, look at your house and the other houses in your area and see which you would try to rob first. Which would be last on your list? Is your house closer to the top of the list or the bottom of the list? You may be able to get away with having valuables visible through your windows if you have Rottweilers, German shepherds, pit bulls or other guard-type dogs in the house or in the front yard.

If you find yourself in an urban-survival situation, you not only want to look like a bad target from the outside, you probably want to make sure you don’t look like a target to people who are inside your house.

You can accomplish this by separating and hiding as much of your survival provisions as possible so that, if need be, you can actually let people into your house to show them you don’t have much food or supplies worth stealing. This obviously isn’t an ideal scenario, but it is a realistic one when you’re dealing with hungry friends.

Historically, almost no urban-survival situation has been a “Mad Max”-type scenario. Instead, they are long-term, extremely fluid scenarios in which people are dying of starvation and struggling to get by in close proximity to healthy people who have jobs and food.

When most people think of survival, they think of a dramatic, instant, across-the-board breakdown in civilization in which people are eating one another within three to four days. Again, history proves this just doesn’t happen. One of the biggest reasons is because the majority of people will simply act like zombies and do nothing, unless they’re told to do something by an authority figure. They don’t know how to make decisions, they don’t know how to take initiative, and they sure as heck don’t know how to spend their time and resources in a way that improves their chances of surviving.

There’s no doubt that a complete breakdown is possible, but this melting pot of people in completely different phases of desperation living near each other is probable and requires a completely different approach.

In these in-between scenarios, you can reduce your risk of becoming a target by simply hiding the fact that you have supplies to steal.

This will be much harder to do with generators, solar panels, deep-cycle battery arrays and other large items, but the principle of hiding everything you can holds true.

Survival In The Country

If you have chickens, you might need to have a plan to move them inside your house if things get unstable. Again, your options are to hide them, increase deterrents or have a 24/7 watch.

If you need to protect a garden, there are a few options; but none of them are really easy. One would be adding a skylight to your garage or attic and switching over to a hydroponic or aeroponic garden.

Another would be surrounding your garden with weeds to disguise it.

A third strategy is to make sure you don’t plant things that will scream: “Food!” As an example, carrots blend in with green weeds because the orange is underground, but tomatoes stick out because the red is aboveground and visible from a considerable distance.

Keep in mind that it’s very difficult to grow enough food to provide all of the calories you need if you’re gardening part-time.

Considering the number of calories you’ll need and the amount of time it takes to maintain and protect the garden, combined with the potential shortage of water, fertilizer, pesticides and herbicides, it’s a 50/50 bet at best whether you will get enough food to survive or just end up wasting a lot of time trying. Add in vitamin, mineral and fiber requirements, and you start to see how big of a challenge this really is.

If you already live off your own garden, this doesn’t apply. But if you don’t have a garden or if you are just a hobby gardener and expect to be able to flip a switch and start growing everything you need to survive while adjusting to civilization breaking down and doing something to earn money at the same time, you might want to rethink your plan.

A better approach may be to switch to medicinal herbs or native edible plants that are low-maintenance. Plant native vegetables that grow easily and have low water requirements. A bonus is that they blend in and don’t look like food to passers-by.

This brings up an important point. Even if you have chickens, a garden and a rural location, you still need to have a good supply of food in the event of a breakdown in civil order.

Even without having to defend against looters and thieves, chickens get sick and predators get hungry. Bugs come, hail happens and, sometimes, gardens just don’t grow the way you expect them to or that they have in seasons past.

U.S. Houses Aren’t Made To Withstand A Determined Attack

Determined, focused attackers aren’t going to mess around with your doors and windows. If they want you badly enough, they’ll launch Molotov cocktails with a water balloon launcher over your neighbors’ house and smoke you out.

If they want your stuff, all they have to do is drive a truck through one of your exterior walls and use smoke, gas grenades or a mix of household chlorine and ammonia to take care of you.

Both readers wanted to learn how to “misdirect” thieves and looters instead of how to make an impenetrable fortress. They were spot on that a better approach is to do whatever you can to stay invisible, and that’s one of the points I hit repeatedly in the Urban Survival course.

If a fight comes to your front door in a survival situation and you have to defend yourself against a lethal-force attack, you’re setting yourself up to likely spend time in jail or looking out for people who want revenge.

I’m not suggesting you let people steal from you. I’m saying you should try to do whatever you can to keep from being a target thieves think is worth hitting.

What thoughts do you have for these two scenarios? What operational security measures are you using to keep your preparations under wraps? Do you have any “wicked-smart” strategies for hiding livestock and gardens from passers-by? What’s your top survival and preparedness question that you’d like David to answer in an upcoming article? Let us know by commenting below or by contacting David directly at:

Dr. David Eifrig Jr.

is the editor of two of Stansberry's best advisory services. One of his advisories, Retirement Millionaire, is a monthly letter showing readers how to live a millionaire lifestyle on less than you'd imagine possible. He travels around the U.S. looking for bargains, deals and great investment ideas. Already his average reader has saved $2,793 since 2008 (documented in each Retirement Millionaire issue). He also writes Retirement Trader, a bi-monthly advisory that explains simple techniques to make large, but very safe, gains in the stock and bond markets. This is a pure finance play and the reason Porter Stansberry loves having "Doc" on the team. Doc holds an MBA from Kellogg and has worked in arbitrage and trading groups with major Wall Street investment banks (Goldman Sachs). In 1995, he retired from the "Street," went to UNC-Chapel Hill for medical school and became an ophthalmologist. Now, in his latest "retirement," he joined Stansberry & Associates full-time to share with readers his experiences and ideas.

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  • Raymond

    Great & informative article.

    • FreedomFighter

      Nothing will stop very determined attackers except numbers, weapons, prep and determination to survive, but for the zombies:

      Large dogs, large caliber weapons.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Bruce

        I like the way you think!. Investing in lead the other precious metal.

        I am also thinking of putting a sign on my front lawn that says ” I won’t use my guns to protect my liberal neighbor who believes in gun control”

        • granny mae

          Now you can do what we did, although at this point in time I’m not so sure it was a great idea !!! I got a puppy. wanted one that was not to smal because of my mobility chair. I didn’t want to run over him ! A friend brought me a puppy born on valentines day. He is a little over four months old and weighs 54 lbs.! This is the biggest dog gone dog I have ever had ! The vet said he is stil growing and I can’t imagine how much bigger he will get ! Right now he just barely manages to walk under the table but by next week who knows ! I have no idea what kind of dog he is. He looks like a black lab but he is a lot bigger than any lab I ever saw ! Today I was looking at his face from the side and honestly he looked like a great Dane in the face from the side ! Oh, Lord is it possible he has Dane in him? I think I’m in big trouble ! Another thing, this animal sleeps on his back ! Like a cat does ! I may be buying a saddle in a few more weeks !

          • BigBadJohn

            I can not stress this enough – train that dog! I had a German Shepperd mix and she was the sweetest dog – loved everybody. BUT she listened to me, she would sit and stay, walk in heal off lead all day stopping at all cross walks.

            I lived in the ghetto of Detroit and I would work her on my front lawn with a ball. I would put her on a sit stay, throw the ball, when no one was out, I would send her to get it. This dog would not hurt a flee – but she was trained, so everyone assumed she was a trained attack dog. NO ONE, I mean NO ONE messed with me and I would walk that dog in the middle of the night in the ghetto!

          • granny mae

            Big Bad John,

            We are working with him. I am strick with him and he seems to mind me but my husband not so much ! The husband seems to be his play toy and he is all over him and I think it is the husbands fault. He gives the dog the impression that he, the dog, can do what ever he wants to and dad will be his buddy, so he gets mauled all the time. With me on the other hand, I am the boss and you better listen to me! He sits for me and comes and follows me where ever I go and now we are working on stay and fetch etc. His personality is good and he is friendly but a little too rambuncious ! He is very stubborn but with gentle firmness on my part he finally gives in and does what I want him to do. We will keep working with him, he is a lot of fun and companionship. More so than any other dog we have ever had. I think he is a keeper. Thanks for your advice we will keep working on him. I know the area you are talking about and if you are going to stay there you need a good dog. God Bless and stay safe !

      • Paul Chacho Jr.

        Making plans with trusted friends is the best bet. It the event of civil breakdown, I have already invited selected people to come to my rural neighborhood. You need food, gas, propane, generators, big dogs, and large caliber weapons. All of which I have on my own. Water from a water system is easily gotten. However, friends are what you need. 10 to 20 real Americans that are themselves self sufficient. I think we would have a chance. Paul. USMC 66-69. Semper Fi America.

      • BimBam

        Make your house look like nothing is worth stealing. Leave a few broken curtains or weeds growing around, junk, etc.

        Not hard to do, hahahahaha…………..

      • coal miner


        I preferred pit bulls,back uped by 357s.

        • Angel Wannabe

          CM, we have a Gator pit, sweetest dog I ever owned, but you will be warned you when you come to the door, they are fiercely territorial. Already have my sites one another pup. I trained the one we have & she is a gem! Looking forward to the next. Its all in how ya train.
          Plays, swims & sleeps with our Grandkids 2&7, but does not play well with strangers or other dogs.

  • C130 Gunship

    I guess now I will put my early 90s F 100 and 83 Cadillac up on blocks in the yard so that thieves will target my neighbor’s house with 2 BMWs in their driveway. After I do this I’m pretty sure the Home Owners Association won’t be awarding me ‘yard of the month’ in the future. I will also not cut the grass but twice a year as well.

    On the serious side, knowledgeable and determined thieves will most likely defeat even the best alarm systems. However, if your just an average J6Pk, in living in an average J6Pk neighborhood, you can buy or lease monitored alarm systems for your residence at a very reasonable cost. That and be very proficient with your firearm of choice.

    • BKWsr

      Don’t feel bad I have never been awarded the yard of the month club either, In fact not many of my neighbors ever like me, But yet I am the first they call when they are in trouble. As to the large dog idea. They are only good as an alarm system its to easy to take them out. The only thing thugs understand is a strong defense. You can’t wound them, or they come back better equiped the next time with vengence on their mind. Its sad that this is the way it has to be, but oh well.

      • 45caliber

        My idea of the perfect guard dog is one that will bark loudly to let me know that someone strange is out there. I’ll take it from there…

        • 45caliber

          Incidently, the two dogs most like what they were bred for originally are the Pekinese (an alarm dog meant to let the guards know when someone strange was in the harem) and the chow (meant to take out any strangers).

          • independant thinker

            Dont know anything about the Pick but do know the Chow is very territorial. I once saw one whipping a pit bull until they were seperated.

        • granny mae

          I’m beginning to think the best guard dog it the little ankle biters ! They yap and bark and get out of the way ! My big dog barks and hides !

  • Raymond

    A first grade teacher explained to her class that she is a liberal Democrat. She asks her students to raise their hands if they were liberal Democrats, too. Not really knowing what a liberal Democrat was, but wanting to be like their teacher, their hands flew up into the air. There was one exception. A girl named Lucy had not gone along with the crowd. The teacher asks her why she has decided to be different. “Because I’m not a liberal Democrat.” “Then,” asks the teacher, “What are you?” “Why I’m a proud conservative Republican,” boasts the little girl. The teacher, a little perturbed and her face slightly red, asked Lucy why she is a conservative Republican. “Well, I was brought up to trust in myself instead of relying on an intrusive government to care for me and do all of my thinking. My Dad and Mom are conservative Republicans, and I am a conservative Republican too.” The teacher, now angry, loudly says, “That’s no reason! What if your Mom was a moron, and your dad was a moron? What would you be then?” The teacher paused and smiled. “Then,” Lucy said, “I’d be like you.”

    • Chris

      Yes, Lucy would be!
      If one studies what happens around the world, now and in the past, one quickly finds the liberal ideology is the one that makes it the easiest for dictators and thugs to have their way with the people!

      • Concerned Legal Citizen

        Hey everyone…it truly boils down to the very essence of basic survival,either you are…or not prepared..even then minus a large combative force to assist with fending off your res…..along with the “bug out” bags,and survival necessities…being very proficient with your woc…and an alternate place to go to comes first to mind along with the 3 basic req’s for any kind of a prolonged chance of survival.

        Talking and zero prep equals in my opinion…the old adage “proper planning” helps prevent the rest of the 5 p equation…;).

    • Dan az

      Ray :) thats a good one :)

    • TIME

      LO. ;-)

      • TIME

        That should have been LOL.

        • VWmama

          Alright Lucy!! Let’s hope there are many more out there like her!

    • Christin

      Great story Raymond!

      If only we have all taught our children so well as little Lucy has been… to stand for Truth, Personal Responsibility, and Self-Governance.

      Thanks for the story time…

  • dansiler

    I suggest taking down your Hope and Change and Vote Obama signs….
    they advertise that you have no guns and probably have shelves stalked with government food….although IF you want to appear clueless and helpless….

    • 45caliber

      No, no, don’t recommend that to anyone! You WANT any looters to hit someone else first, instead of you! That’s the point of this article. If they have their signs up, then obviously they will be the first hit! And when they are hit, it will give you warning to be ready when they come your way.

  • Cawmun Cents

    I am of the opine that the people who go around looking into other peoples windows,wont be alive very long.If the world goes crazy,stupid people will die off quickly.People assume that there will be roving gangs of folks prepared to attack individual houses.I have several problems with that scenario.First,to feed a gang you have to have resources to begin with. The issue with resources are that if they are not managed carefully they disappear quickly leaving you with none.This can pose an insurmountable set of conditions(especially if you are a murderous bunch whose hearts are larcenous to begin with)if you view things intelligently.To feed and supply said group of individuals you must have very smart and concise leadership.Sending valuable individuals to peek into peoples windows,can get your group shortened post haste.Even if you view through binoculars…you will have to assume that someone else may know or at least surmise that you are coming for their booty.Better to have a small strike team,that way you can move quickly and bail out of a bad scene fast.The more people in a group the harder it is to feed all of them.I know I wouldnt stay with a group if I werent fed regularly,and was in danger of being killed often.Choosing the right target will be the best route to victory.Haphazardly roaming about the countryside like a pack of ravenous dogs will be fruitless,and pockmarked with stupidity in your leadership.Better to be well planned,and thought through.Secondly,the smart looter(thats the one who lives longest)will not be looking for things he will have a problem making use of.For instance the big screen TV,is an option for someone too stupid to live anyway.How would one haul that around from house to house stealing other folks’stuff?Food and firearms will be the stuff of likely intent.Problem with that is…unless you walk around advertising what an easy target you are,those things will be well hidden.You will necessarily have to take much risk to obtain them.That is where you have to have smart leadership,otherwise your enterprise may be doomed to failure.Big gangs will die off quicly because of in-fighting between members.Small groups will prey on the weak as the lions do in the savannah.Then they will prey on each other.The smartest will live,the stupid will die.Please be smart and leave me alone….I am preparing for a worst case scenario.-CC.

    • Bleh

      It takes about 3 weeks for the stupid to starve to death. In a SHTF event I figure there will be roving bands for at least 3 weeks if not longer in, around or near the cities. They will at least be composed of existing street gangs at first. They could prolong the time to starvation by obviously capturing food from the weak and stupid. Food sources in the cities will be depleted quickly at which point they start roving for resources like food.
      This really is not hard to conceptualize as we already know gangs exist. Gangs like MS13, I am sure are not stupid. They will be armed and will survive past the 3 week period. In fact if there is warning for the SHTF event you will likely see the smart gangs exit the city ahead of time scouting for these food sources and they will take them when the time comes. If not and the survive the initial event they will figure it out and they will be coming shortly after. These guys are not stupid and it is fallacy to assume so.

      There are reasons no one advocates being in or near the cities in events like these, this is one…

      • 45caliber

        There is plenty of food in a city – humans. Cannibalism will quickly appear in some areas although most people won’t do it. These gangs like MS13 will probably be some of the first to go to it. You will also see a lot of terrorism – some people terrorizing the rest by public execution of some. If you live in a city and intend to remain there, you will have to move immediately to stamp out any group that tries to start this. In the country, I expect to see roving bands about two months after an event. These won’t be worried about what defenses someone might have – they will be hitting any place that looks as if it might have some life there.

      • granny mae

        Might be a good idea to think about what the first steps would be for a roaving gang. What do they need first and what would they be looking for? I think the first thing would be maybe gas for getting around the country side, so they could find food. If they come to your house they will not be looking for big screen TV’s ! They don’t need them. They will be looking for food, water and gas. If they are going to be roaving all over the countryside they will need gas to put in their cars or trucks to do it ! They will be looking for spare tires and eventually spare auto parts. From there will come medicine! Maybe even before that time will come those that are hooked on drugs. They will be looking for drugs any place they can find them. Perhaps we should be thinking of protecting our hospital’s and drug stores and doctors offices. That in itself might mean life or death to some. If you suddenly need surgery for something you might be mighty glad someone was guarding the hospital. I don’t think people can live very long all alone. You may be good for a year but then what? What happens if things go on for more than a year? People need people for safety and for life. That is how man has survived through the ages. Once you run off by yourself then you become suspicious of every one you don’t know ! When you do that you will truly be alone and eventually you will die out. Even the pioneers went out in groups. They knew they needed each other to survive hard times. They didn’t live right on top of eachother but they did live near by and kept in touch simply for survival reasons. That is how they knew when danger was near and even at times who it was that was dangerous ! I think it is better to think smart and think outside the box! But then to each his own !

      • 45ACP

        In my experience with street gangs, I believe you’re wrong. Gang members are not smart. There is the exception, but generally not. They hold the ‘gang mentality’ and are only strong as a gang. And then, they are only strong in numbers, not in mind. I don’t fear gang members but I am concerned about desperate criminals. It is these groups for which I am heavily armed.

        I don’t know what all the talk about large caliber weapons means. To me, a large caliber weapon is a sniper rifle. And for me, this is any of the magnum calibers for which I have two. For routine self defense and defense of my ranch, the .223, 308 and good ol 12 ga w/ 00 Buck is my choice.

    • babybikerbabe

      I’ll buy the house next door and we can fight them off together. : )

      I know a few others that can face East and West to our North and South.

      Do not forget – people who PLAN for the worst case scenario are prone to travel in packs as well. Only they will be better arm… er… prepared.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Or you can just come over to my house….(wink)

  • John R. Harbison

    Our vegtable garden is hidden in the midle of about five acres of brush. Mainly planted there app,. 250ft. by 150ft for a wind break. We have 400 ac. running cattle,Boer goats,chickens and horses. We could pen or livestock at night next to our home but they would have to be grazed at day in plan site of a expressway.We have over a million people living here in the valley,
    ” Town people” Most of the valley is row crop irragated farm land with very few livestock ranches. We have purchased more ammo, putting in a hand pump water well and prepared in several other ways,although I don’t think I could have enough ammo or people to deliver it if all these town people and there childern all got hungery at the same time.

    • Ed Garnier

      I have a real problem with harming men, women, and children who are coming around just because they are hungry, cold, sick. I would be very inclined to share, knowing in the end I might have nothing left. We have a lot of water around in Florida: Fresh, salt, and brackish; and they’re full of fish and opportunity. Nobody in Florida should starve.
      I would have absolutely no problem, however, with quickly and without mercy, killing anyone who was intent on harming me or my family.

      • Dan az

        Ed Garnier
        Like the old saying goes give a man a fish he will eat that night but give him a fishing pole he will eat forever.Close enough!

      • Albino.

        Iv’e spent a LOT of time and money getting off the grid…… If some one has something useful to trade, then I’ll trade water or food, but nothing is FREE, well apart from the lead in the shots!!!

        • Christin


          How does one get off the grid???

          I’ve heard that from a couple posters, but no one explains.

      • granny mae

        Ed Garnier,

        I agree. I would have a real hard time turning away someone that had children that was starving. I keep thinking back to when I was a child and although I didn’t understand it then I do now, but mom and dad were having a real hard time. It was after the war and dad was working for GM. They went on strike and suddenly there was no money for food. The only way we survived was through neighbors that shared what they had with us. Everything from food to cloths and even their toys so we could have a Christmas. We might have dinner with one neighbor one night and another neighbor would bring us some things they bought for us another. One night would be corn bread for supper and the next might be eggs over toast. Sometimes we had cereal and sometimes we had nothing. I remember a neighbor bringing us a box of cloths that my grandmother made to fit, mom and dad and even a couple things for me ! I remember dad cutting the toes out of my shoes so I could wear them a little longer. When I think of how we survived and then think of how others might be in that same position I just can’t think of turning them away. Now if they came as a band of terrorists ready to kill and take what we had, that would be a different story. My husband and boys would be a formidable bunch to come up against ! I’ll tell you what is worrying me right now and that is that some of us might be getting so focused on the SHTF, that we may not look at what is going on in our atmosphere ! Check out NOAA for the latest in sun flares! If they keep up we may not be able to grow any crops in the future. This is a real serious situation and we should get prepared today and not wait till tomorrow ! When you think about all the floods and fires and earth quakes etc. I guess we should add some sun storms to our list. You talk about a nuke attack well you got the biggest threat of something on that order sitting right up in the sky every day and no body looks into it ! Time to look folks !

        • 45ACP

          Funny, I just read a long article about the solar flares disapearing, that there would be a whole lot less in the next 10 years. What scientist do you believe? Personally, if the scientist receives mone thru grants from the government, I tend to believe them less. ‘Doom and gloom’ sells and gets the government money

      • 45ACP

        I agree with you. But you have to understand the fish and wildlife we have now, would quickly disappear during a WTSHTF scenerio occurs.
        There would be no game law enforcement, and just like during the great depression, wildlife would become few and far between. You must have food storage, and lots of it. Please don’t rely on wild game or you would most likely go hungry.

    • http://facebook Roberts

      Better to share with the love of Jesus and then die of starvation, than to live a few more years and then answer to God for lack of compassion. Life and breath is not the objective. (I hope) If it is then we are just animals.

      • independant thinker

        There is a difference in sharing out of love/compassion and being overun by a group of thugs intent on taking everything they want possibly including your wife and daughter.

        • Cawmun Cents

          I had the very same argument with my father.He said,”Live by the sword,die by the sword.”And I said,”die by the gun if you fight or if you run.”personally I’d rather fight than run.At least my last few minutes before I go to be with the Lord will be entertaining.I believe Jesus was talking about Peter(when He made that quote),and not about everyone.God doesnt tell people not to defend themselves.In Jesus’case it was about the atonement sacrifice.But God doesnt expect us to make that sacrifice,otherwise He would not have made Jesus do it for us.-CC.

      • Dennis

        Amen brother, help the people that you can, avoid the ones you can’t.

        • granny mae


          Help the ones you can but there are going to be people that you cannot avoid because they won’t let you ! There will be a time in all of our lives when we will have to make a stand of some kind. I just pray to God he is with me when we make that stand !

      • Dave

        A victim in waiting

  • wandamurline

    I’m already prepared….no tresspassing sign that reads “tresspassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again”…this is on the front entrance to my ranch, and I mean it. It is off the beaten path…one way in and one way out with a drive of 3/4 mile. The cities will be the worst place to be … the country folk are a lot more zealous to deal with … we will protect our family the old fashioned way…with a gun.

    • Dan az

      I like the sign that says my neighbor voted for restricting gun laws I didn’t and I respect there wishes so I will not use my guns to protect them.

      • Dennis

        I was in Alaska a few years ago, i liked the sign i seen that said, Do you believe in life after death, trespass here and ou will find out if it true

    • Donna in Ky

      ..One thing a person might consider if they are able, is a secret room to store their things in. One with an emergency exit to outside so that if you have to leave your house because you have been over-run, you have a place to hide until it is safe, or dark. That room would be where your survival stores are held also. IF you have a basement in your house, it is fairly easy to create one of these rooms.

      Also start stocking up on any meds that you take. One good way is to have your Dr set your prescriptions up on a 3 month refill. We live 1/4 mile off the road…There is one way in, and ONE way out–Two DEEP creeks on either side of us. there are also two gates before you get to our house, and we purposely built a house that does not look near as big from the outside as it is on the inside.

      Our generator is hidden behind a wall, so is the tank to run it. IF needed it can be used for emergency purposes only. We have two fireplaces and enough wood cut to last us for years. We are not far from Ky lake and have both reg fishing gear, and emergency gear in case we have to bug out. Just in case, we have horses that we can ride out if we need to. Next project is to get a couple of calves and some chickens….I already have a pantry (Hidden) that looks like a grocery store…We also collected lots of lead…all sizes… know….for fishin sinkers…*s*

      IF it happens tomorrow, we are ready, but I still want to get as much as I can to help family….

      • Donna in Ky

        One more thing I forgot….Mentioned Meds, but some meds you won’t be able to get, but will be NEEDED…such as Penicillin. Next best thing to do…is go to your local Farm and home…but HOG meds (Hogs are the closest to humans on this)….use same doses. the Penicillin WILL need to be refrigerated, but might be a life saver…I keep one in fridge at all times…You will need to get needles to administer it….

  • Al Sieber

    Well, I can see them coming a mile and a half away, and it’s down a rough dirt road. and since I live on top of a small mountain honeycombed with old mine tunnels that go in one way and out another, I believe I have a small advantage. plus a lot of people are afraid to go into old mines, even cops.

    • Al Sieber

      Also have a back hoe to bury them.

      • Dan az

        dame here bud :)

      • C130 Gunship

        Al Sieber– Y waste your precious fuel to bury them? The buzzards and worms gotta eat too!

        • Al Sieber

          You’re right Gunship, also the coyotes, ravens, etc., real quick.

        • 45caliber


          That’s assuming you can drag them out in the country somewhere and no one can trace them back to you. I’d prefer to get them out sight and smell. Preferably with some nice plants on top to hide the fact the dirt was recently moved. Now AFTER things go to wherever, then you can simply drag them off in the woods. The wild hogs would love you – at least down here.

  • Dan az

    I have a neighbor that has a sign that says Warning experimental explosive land mines proceed with caution not responsible for life or limb.You know it works you can see the tracks of cars that have backed up and turned around. :)

    • Al Sieber

      That’s a good one Dan, my sign says trespassers will be shot, period.

      • granny mae


        I have a sign that says I have PMS and a Gun any questions ? It satarted out with a little sign in my tool box and my son enlarged it. I guess he thought it was appropiate !!!LOL !

        • Al Sieber

          granny, that’s the best sign so far, you wouldn’t wanna mess with granny because then it’s all over.

    • Christin

      Dan az,
      I think that is the best sign of them all…

      It is not threatening or acting big with guns or announcing you have weapons for defense.

      My neighbor’s sign says, “Howdy, Now Git.”

    • Al Sieber

      Dan, land mine signs, excellent, makes people think and if they can’t, oh, well.

  • Chris

    A good example of what to see possibly happening in the United States, as this is the mentality we would be dealing with, are things like the Watts Riots, Katrina and other large city riots more recently.
    These were roaming mobs, poorly controlled by the authorities because of a liberal, we cannot kill them mentality. Once you shoot and kill a few of these rioters, the rest decide there must be something better to do! When you see events like the recent riots in Vancouver Canada, those rioters are having fun and the expense of others, because they know little to nothing is going to be done to them! Just like in our cities.
    Look at the sections of L.A. that were attacked and burned, those sections controlled by the Koreans, with armed defense, were quickly left alone. Look at Detroit, those sections burned regularly were basically given over to the rioters by the police to do with, as they wanted. Look at New Orleans during Katrina, when the rescuers wanted to help, and ordinary folks were going to use their own boats to rescue people, the thugs and looters started shooting at them. The police had left town and the criminals knew it, those same folks with the boats could have taken care of things, left to their own devices. The authorities did not want this, instead called in a crack National Guard unit, back from Iraq, and well versed in urban warfare! It was only a few hours and the criminal element had crawled back into their holes but the press and the authorities said almost nothing about what had transpired. The government does not want people to understand they can do much to take care of themselves! The certainly did not want this situation controlled and corrected easily by the locals.

    Small groups of intelligent, armed people can gain control of areas with a bit of fore thought and planning. As islands, we are vulnerable, but as even semi-harden areas, we can protect ourselves. A person or looting group, will not risk dying to get things, when they know the risk is there. They will find a different venue to steal from, as they know if things are bad, then help for an injury is likely not available either!

    • http://none john eastin

      If the loons on the left and all levels of law enforcement get out of our way, we can take care of business. My fear is that the first thing the Obama Moffia will do is put the Constitution and Bill of Rights aside (using COG) and then we will be forced to use hidden guns for protection and then be attacked by our own gov for having them leving what is left to the picking of the mobs. Or worst enemy is not Obama, Pelosi, Reid or the rest of the Dumicrats, it is the press not holding the gov to the truth and uncovering the problems. Any news network with a “C” in it’s name cannot be trusted to keep the gov straight.

      • 45caliber


        It is more than a fear with me.

        One tactic many people like to use (and is used in many cities today) is NOT protect some area of town and let the bad guys know. Right now, in many cities, that area left open – and preferably undefended – is what we once called the slum areas. Mainly now, it is the low rent housing districts. Many do not allow their residents to own guns. The idea is to encourage the criminals to go there – even if they get less valuables – instead of going for the better places that are also better defended.

        What I expect is that the government officials will deliberately do what they can to make more and more residential areas where they do NOT live available for any criminals by confiscation of guns and prosecution of any residents who harm a criminal trying to prey upon them.

        • Dan az

          Just like katrina they went house to house and took the guns from the people that wanted to protect their homes.Resist and go to jail.

        • Cawmun Cents

          After the Rodney King trials they burned their own neighborhoods.Then when it started to look as if they would go to other areas,they showed footage of looting going on in various department,and hardware stores.The crowd then started to loot,and moving to another part of town was a disaster that was averted.Suggestion is a tool of the media.Just watch a commercial,most are actually too stupid for any but the feeble minded to get excited over.Yet it happens frequently enough to get the inane to buy worthless things for good hard cash.As for organized gangs roaming the streets like in the Hollywood movies….I will believe that when I see it.Gangs kill each other more than they kill other people.I’ll just watch them wipe each other out.They cant help that they havent shed their prehistoric ways.-CC.

    • Christin


      Good post.
      Your are probably right… many good men with wisdom, weapons and a few resources could gain control of a bad situation.

  • Dan az

    Where I live nobody can come in with out neighbors stopping them and recording there lic. plates and information by our local armed guard that stops anyone that is not from this street.It seems to work because I here rumors that you don’t want to go up that street their crazy.If I lived in the city or suburbs I would have both ends of the street with barricades and rotating guards from the neighbor hood and if they tried to enter then I guess you would know what was next.

  • TimP

    Hope you all have read “Lights Out” It is pretty close to what we would have to look forward to.

    • 45ACP

      I haven’t read that one, but I have read ‘The Patriot’. Keeps you thinking and planning.

  • Papawpaul

    Another good read is “One Second After”, by William R. Forstchen. This one is a probability, not a possibility.

    Also, never mess with an old person who is slower and weaker than you. He’ll just kill you.

    papawpaul :-}

    • 45caliber


      I believe the original saying was: “Never pick a fight with an old man. If he doesn’t feel like fighting, he’ll kill you.”

    • granny mae


      I read that book and it was very good ! Also I am old and the saying is true. If the old guy has his wits about him it isn’t good to mess with him because he will kill you. He feels it is a case of either kill or be killed so in his mind your it !

  • gordon

    Who is author of “Lights Out”.

  • jopa

    My neighbor had a sign up “Trespassers Will Be Shot”.When he was away on vacation someone broke into his house and stole his guns.

    • Cawmun Cents

      If he was too stupid to take his guns on vacation with him…he probably deserved to have them stolen.

    • granny mae


      He should have taken his guns with him ! My dad was broke into and he was elderly and it had an effect on him that broke my heart!~
      The next thing I knew he had made a sign that said you got me this time but try it again and I got you ! House boobytrapped !

      • granny mae

        The funny thing was they didn’t bother with things out in the open they went looking for things that were out of sight. Looking in drawers and under beds and in closets ! Never got the gun sitting right by the door in plain sight and never bothered moms diamond rings she had taken off and placed in a cup on the stand ! But they sure did take everything out of the garage ! Cleaned it out !

      • Christin

        That’s a great sign, too, granny mae… wrote it down… just in case!

    • 45ACP

      If you don’t have a thousand pound gun vault, you should leave your guns with a trusted friend. I have 2 vaults, but still don’t go on vacation without a relative staying at the house to take care of all the critters.

  • Zermoid

    Another good idea is talk to your neighbors before TSHTF and work out a plan for mutual survival, having several families bringing their provisions, and armament, to one place is much more defensible than a neighborhood of individual homes going it on their own.

    • jerry

      of all the coments, i believe yours makes the most sense. if neighbors can band together and share food and arms and stand watches, they will be very hard to defeat.

      • granny mae

        I agree. My neighbors are of the same mind set as me and my family. We will band together when the SHTF ! However there are some people that live a short distance away that I’m not so sure about so we will take it slow !

        • granny mae

          I have to admit though that through out my life I have seen circumstances that have brought out displays in my own family members that I didn’t know were there, even after growing up with them and living with them all my life. So you can never really be sure of anyone. You will always have to be careful !

        • 45ACP

          Anyone you are not sure about should be excluded. Only invite those who are 100% trustworthy.

    • Cawmun Cents

      That is where I consider us totally opposite.You give your neighbor the ammunition(your stupidity is all he needs)to kill you and take your provisions for sure,if you are that stupid.What makes you think you can trust your neighbor?Are you best friends?Blood brothers?My neighbors probably dont even realize the extent of debauchery that will come to fruition in any given situation.Suppose he has eight in his family,and I only have three.Then suppose I have saved up my resources,and he only has very little.I would be robbing my family to keep his alive,and we would both suffer because of it.Better to be a loner in that case.The more mouths you have,the more food it takes to feed them.Would you take less so he can have more?What if three of his party are less than ten years old?Now you have three mouths and very little production(or worse…anti-production)coming from his party.Plus children who have been spoiled,often act out during times which could be dangerous to have loud obnoxious folks about.All these things must be taken into consideration.Which in the end leaves me saying no to that situational s#!tstorm.No I am far to the better being on my own,just me and my own.I dont need people who make knee-jerk decisions that make or break my chances of survival in my party.-CC.

      • granny mae

        Cawmun Cents

        You make a very good point too ! It is going to be hard to know just what to do for some of us . Myself, I have to stay put and I’m not so sure I could survive all alone. Maybe we will see ! But you do make a very good point !

  • TIME


    A good blog. The only thing, if in fact civil order breaks down no one will need worry about going to prison nor the Police.

    In so far as any break in or any time your life is in danger from someone who whats what you have. {Know your state and local laws inside and out.}

  • Rennie

    Good wire fencing, solar fence chargers, plan a compound area you can fence in between your house and outbuildings even if you have a larger areaperimeter fence, even if the compound fence is something you improvise at the last minute, your light poles, clotheslines, bird feeder poles, etc. could provide the immediate support for a fence. If your vehicles become inoperable, use them for compound storage/barrier/shelters as well. Centuries ago people used to have a high cellar so that they could bring in their few horses or cattle when being attacked, and stored feed inside as well. During the “Little Ice Age” in Europe people kept pigeons in aviarys for meat, and developed turnips not just as food but cattle fodder. Consider outside food storage caches in case your house is raided(centuries ago a “silo” was where they stored cattle feed, apples, potatoes, turnips, etc. in the ground, covered with straw and sod), and DEFINTELY have non-powered hand tools for gardening, repairwork, etc. stored where they won’t wander off. Sharpening tools, files, drill bits, hand drills, handsaws, tree saws, axes, etc. basic hardware, fasteners, etc. because you may not have or be able to get to a hardware store. Anything with fur, feathers or scales that might invade your vegetable garden can be a source of protein, so a few workable cage or spring type traps might be a good thing to keep around. When it comes to shooting game, a bow is more silent and draws less attention. It also causes more concern when some prowler realizes that broadhead in the side of the barn in front of him wasn’t there a few seconds ago, and he doesn’t know where or who it came from. What they can’t see worries them even more than it does you, because they are on unfamiliar ground and nervous because know they are in the wrong. And pray none of this ever becomes useful advice.

    • 45caliber

      A good place to hide the bodies is a must …

      • Dan az

        Out here we all have backhoes and for those that live in the cities there is the sewer system,Fitting don’t ya think?

      • granny mae

        I live in gator country. Not a problem ! LOL !

        • Dan az

          Even better Granny! :)

  • Teresa

    I live on ten acres with only very bumpy dirt roads, I live at the very end, you would not know I was there. Nothing can be seen as Im far into the woods.In the event of TEOTWAWKI happens, I will knock down trees and pile them up. I would do that up the dirt road several times and block it. It is all woods. I would do that for a few hundred feet. I would make traps for people to fall in and break a leg. Maybe have to shoot them.Have a look out in the trees. I would not cook much to keep away smells, just eat out of a can. I have some big deep holes already dug. I guess If I have to shoot someone I have a grave dug. Hope it does not happen. would try to keep to myself. Was thinking of a container put in the ground to keep some supplies and my chickens if things get bad. I have a hole partially dug for it but my husband says what about all the snakes getting in? I say what about the snakes trying to kill us? lol Im the one planning everything but luckly he goes along. Im the one who said get a K22 survival Light and lots of amo…. pay cash for amo and get a lot in all different places.

    • independant thinker

      Teresa, I saw a photo of a home made storm shelter. It was made from a school bus buried with only the door exposed so you could enter. If the storage container was sound snakes shouldn’t be a problem. If there was enough opening for mice or rats to get in all bets would be off though as the snakes would be attracted to them.

      • granny mae

        Good idea but you must remember that when using a bus or vehicle like that you must reinforce the roof as they are not strong enough to hold the weight of the dirt and especially if it rains and the dirt gets heavier !

  • 45caliber

    Put up a sign in your front yard calling attention to all the unarmed libs in your neighborhood.

    • granny mae

      LOL ! I like this one ! LOL !

      • Reloader50

        I have a small (it looks like an alarm sticker) sticker in the corner of my window that has a silloutte (sp?) with two head and two center mass shots that reads “nothing inside worth dying for”

  • Wayne937

    See this website and see what kind of man Eric Holder is: It will make you mad when you see it.

    • Lisa B

      yeah, my family had a kosher butcher shop before i was born, first in Harrisburg and finally in Miami. They told me how they had run ins with the black panthers.

      they(BP’s) demanded money for “protection” my Jewish/European immigrant family refused to pay it. so the black panthers came back guns blazing and to put it in a nut shell, everyone in my family back then has at least one gun shot wound from trying to defend their butcher shop. To this day everyone in my family has at least one gun on them at all times….Finally they(my family) moved it to(Their business)to Miami. They (Black panthers) say they are good people but they were thugs then and their thugs now. Can’t believe they got away with it…. yeah I’m mad charges got drooped too. that is not justice at all!

      • granny mae


        Your right , it isn’t right ! The black panthers have always been terrorists and always will be. They don’t discriminate. They hate everyone that isn’t black, and then even some that are black. They should have been cleaned out a long time agao !

  • QueensMary

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  • Raggs

    The criminals that I worry about the most usally carry a badge, the other kind is easy enough dealt with.

    oblamas promise was to have a civilian force equal to or greater than the military and as well armed, well he has just accomplished that by giving the AFL-CIO an open door to reside over the TSA. We now have unionisation of the airline via corruption and thugery.

    Our worst enemy is in the white house people.

    • Be Aware

      You got that right Brother, and don’t forget about FEMA. I think some people are still not awake.

    • granny mae


      You have said the truth !

  • chuckb

    reported on drudge last night there were blacks marching down the streets of peoria, ill. taunting people, screaming kill all the whites, reports of beatings. rape and property detruction. the main street media seems to not want to talk about these kind of actions. apparently the law was hesitant to interfere, so was reported.
    so if you think you are not vulnerable because you are armed, think again, the president is black and has a chip on his shoulder and we have a black attorney general who has already shown his prejudice, so how far do you think you will get handling the situation? you will be the first one hung, violation of carrying a firearm, hate crime,attempted murder or murder and i’m sure they will pile on other charges.

    • http://deleted Claire

      chuckb–I am trying to find out about Peoria–there was nothing in the Springfield paper about a recent riot in Peoria. And I have not heard anything about it on the local TV stations.

  • http://deleted Claire

    Illinois is the only state that does not allow conceal and carry. The governor is against it. I am not worried about my home–let the burglars and lowlife enter at their own risk. They will be in for a rude awakening.

    • JimH

      Hi Claire, The news today is Blaggo is founf guilty on 17 charges.

    • MAD-MAX

      You have to come out sooner or later.

      OsiXs (Revolution 2.0 – The Smart Revolution)

  • JimH

    The first places to be looted will be sporting good stores(guns and ammo),then food and drug stores.
    Going after residence’s will be secondary.

  • chuckb
  • robert

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    everything will be fine wont it?

  • chuckb

    claire, claire, something funny going on about this riot last night, the peoria gazette web site is down and the media isn’t reporting. apparently about 70 blacks went marching down a side street screaming death to white people and other bad language, they reportedly raped and destroyed property and the police made no effort to stop them. this was reported on drudge last night and they have deleted every news story on this matter. so what’s coming off?

  • Gunner

    Urban gangs and looters will follow the roads; we’re not talking BSA Order of the Arrow graduates. Simple area weapons that sweep a large area in a horizontal, not circular (think duck-billed shotguns), pattern are very effective. Fire bombs work in both directions, so your plan of defense can include fire to channel attackers where you want them to go.

    And something will have to be done with the bodies, just for disease prevention and to reduce the stench.

  • Pete

    I reckon them people living close to big cities, like NYC, Chicago, Boston or LA, will have a big problem.

    Angry mobs, coming out of the cities – like a pestilence of LOCUST ! That’s what I figure is going to happen.

    Your best best is to train yourself to live off the land, like them Mountain Men did back in the 19th century.

    It’s ironic ? Our quasi-socialistic society becoming a society of TOTAL COMPETITION ! We all may be friends now, but who knows about the future ?

    May the best “adapter” win ….

  • Terry Gerling

    Many of you are choosing to ignore the lessons taught during Katrina!! Be careful–be very careful!! Those standing up for themselves–defending themselves ended up being disarmed by the military–not local authorities–our military!! Think it can’t happen again–think it won’t happen again–think again!! Then start finding a way for your weapons and ammo to disappear–quickly or surrender a gun you were going to give away anyway!! You all [most] have the right idea–don’t be stupid–think–you will be fine–I only wish a few of you were my neighbors!!!

  • jopa

    chuckb;I think you finally really lost it.Now you will have to sign on as chuck bs.

  • chuckb

    claire, i finally found the source: the peoria chrnicle, june 27,2011

    Peorians living in fear

    This eye-witness account is from Paul Wilkinson, president of the Altamont Park Neighborhood Association:

    Tonight, around 11 p.m., a group of at least 60-70 African American youth marched down one of the side streets (W. Thrush) to the 4 lane main drag (Sheridan). They were yelling threats to white residents. Things such as we need to kill alll the white people around here. They were physically intimidating anyone calling for help from the police. They were surrounding cars. Cars on the main drag had to slam on their brakes to either avoid the youth blocking not only all four lanes, but a large section of the side street as well. fights were breaking out among them. They were rushing residents who looked out their doors, going on to porches, yelling threats to people calling the police for help.

    Cars were doing U turns on the streets just to avoid the mob, mostly male. One youth stated his grandfather was white and several assaulted him on the spot. One police officer answered the call. The youth split into two large groups, one heading north, the other south. They were also yelling racial threats to the police officer but he was outnumbered. Another police car did not show up until after the youth finally dispersed and the patty wagon (van) also eventually showed up.

    Residents are very shaken, both black and white alike. This is the fifth large mob action in about a month with smaller groups of 10-12 are out threatening children and adults a few evenings a week or later into the night. The times vary, even occuring during the day. In talking to the police officer, they are short staffed. Residents were advised to simply keep inside and to lock their doors. In other words buckle down, it’s not even safe to sit on your porch or go into your yards.

    “The fifth large mob action in about a month.” Wow. This is really outrageous. Why is this neighborhood having to put up with this? “Residents were advised to simply keep inside and to lock their doors”? Seriously? That’s the best we can do for our fellow citizens’ safety?

    This needs to be addressed, and quickly.

    • Reloader50

      Remember, “when seconds count the police are only minutes away”, I would stay in my house with the lights out but armed to the teeth, if they BREAK IN then I will be afraid for my life and that of my wife and exercise my training and I have 8 shots alternating 00 buck, rifled hollowpoint slugs and a stock sleeve and bandolleer to reload, plus my large caliber high capacity semi auto pistol, if the anti gun nuts thought a certified crazy man in Arizona was dangerous what would they think of a highly trained sane person defending his home?

  • chuckb

    jopa, ok, now what have you to say.

  • http://aol Miz

    Yeah, we live rural and don’t plan on moving. The road leading into our property has 2 alarms when a vehicle or even a person or animal walks past them. All the doors in our home have alarms that would wake the dead. More important, we have a dog who is territorial and protective. The sound of gun shots kinda’ echo through the hills here. Ham radios (especially one that will run on a 12-volt battery)are useful, as is a hand pump for the well and fuel for the generator. Luckily, so far, our state allows us to protect ourselves and our property with deadly force. Still don’t know how abomas’ Excutive Order #13575 will affect us. It appears to be designed “to begin taking control over almost all aspects of the lives of 16 percent of the American (rural) people.” And, of course, the FOOD SUPPLY. The new council is comprised of 1 person from each 25 of different federal departments. 25 different fingers are making the pie. 26 if you count Tom Vilsack the current Secy. of Agriculture who is heading up this council. I can see a major clustermush (don’t laugh – I cleaned that up for delicate eyes) in the making. It is strangely akin to a United Nations plan for ‘sustainable development’ aka Agenda 21.

    • granny mae


      We need to know more about this. Anyway I sure do. What is this all about? Please inform if you can.

  • BimBam

    One thing not mentioned and has been used lots of times in ancient times is a HIGH WALL around your property or whatever you want protected.

    Worked for Osama Bin Laden for long while.

    Check your area for height requirements, but when civilization breaks down who’s gonna care??? Have materials ready.

  • Keith

    I used to get numerous calls from companies trying to sell me alarm systems. One day, the salesman was especially persistant, and seriously annoyed me.

    I then informed him I already had a security system. A 150# dog (Great Pyrennes), backed up by enough fire-power to supply a civil war in a small South American country and enough edged weapons to scare a Roman Legion. No one has tried to sell me a security system since.

    I also have a police aide stopping at my house once a month,which I’m sure confuses people who don’t know me.

    • Dan az

      If the grid goes out so does your security system.I believe in the best way to be warned ahead of time is my 200# rottweiler.He never seems to be full.

    • granny mae

      Oh dear Lord, do I know about the Great Pyrenes ! That is a huge dog and usually has no idea how big he really is ! We had a stray come to our house one evening and it stayed for almost a week and then left. I have no idea where he came from or where he went but while he was here I fell in love with that dog ! I put treats in my pocket and every morning he would try to climb in my lap and then try to fish the treats out of my pocket ! I really liked that dog, and no one came to claim him , but then one morning he was gone ! I miss him !

  • Aunt June

    The Swiss government requires that every citizn be armed. Plus, the Swiss do not meddle in other countries, and continue to stay neutral. Even Hitler left Switzerland alone. When our own government is AGAINST us, what future can we look forward to that is not bleak? There are some great ideas listed here, but how can you hide food to last a year, especially what you’ve canned in jars? Most folks don’t have that kind of space. Any ideas?

  • coal miner

    Thought for a day!

    “Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows us that as a government grows, liberty decreases.”
    — Thomas Jefferson

  • jopa

    chuckb: What I have to say is your source for the story is very weak.The president of a neighborhood apartment association,come on you will have to do better than that to create fear in America.Americans are not that weak kneed to take this as a serious threat to the country after the riots of the sixties and the Rodney King verdict.I think you should build yourself a safe room.

  • melissab

    Not me or my home! I have pepper spray on my key chain for outside and ” Justice ” my trained German Shep, who will take you down.. For a back up, my guns, loaded and ready.

    • Reloader50

      Your right! I have Viggo (dutch shep) was trained as tactical entry dog ( the dog that lead the swat team in when hostages are not involved) for barricaded gunmen, he was trained for nearest exposed body part, those full bite suits are heavy and hot!! Now trained for the sleeve, as hard as it is to accept he is my sacrificial lamb, to buy me enough time to arm and respond if some one is intent on doing me our my family harm. You can only hope to respond fast enough to save the dogs life …to heck with the perps life.

  • Big Mike

    Make your house look like it is in shambles, Plywood over windows and any doors that your not using. Put up signs ” Trespassers will be shot! Survivors will be shot again!”. If you already have your backyard fenced( and you should), have at least a small fence in your front yard to slow down any persons approach, it wont stop a car but in a system breakdown there will be no fuel for cars anyway. A sign saying that ” We will work for food, 10 people to feed, please help!” in the front yard will make people think you already dont have enough. And about those big dogs, people will fear a big dog more than a small dog. Pitbulls can be aggressive but that poses more threat to another dog or animal than a man. Get a Monster Mastiff, they are bigger than most men and were bred for war and protecting estates while being gentle with children. Monster Mastiffs . com has the best of the world’s biggest dogs. I use them to protect my flock of chickens, ducks and turkeys. Predators get eaten if they get into my fenced in yard and my birds are safe. Dogs this size really deter people with bad intentions. Practice with your guns. Shotguns and .22 rifles and handguns have cheap ammo to stockpile. A .22 isnt a big nasty gun but it kills, a shotgun will not only kill but looks menacing. Safety in numbers, get with neighbors and organize.


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