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Will Iran Be Attacked?

February 14, 2012 by  

Will Iran Be Attacked?

Washington has made tremendous preparations for a military assault on Iran. There is speculation that Washington has called off its two longest running wars — Iraq and Afghanistan — in order to deploy forces against Iran. Two of Washington’s fleets have been assigned to the Persian Gulf along with NATO warships. Missiles have been spread among Washington’s oil emirate and Middle Eastern puppet states. U.S. troops have been deployed in Israel and Kuwait.

Washington has presented Israel a gift from the hard-pressed American taxpayers of an expensive missile defense system, money spent for Israel when millions of unassisted Americans have lost their homes. As no one expects Iran to attack Israel (except in retaliation for an Israeli attack on Iran), the purpose of the missile defense system is to protect Israel from an Iranian response to Israeli aggression against Iran.

Juan Cole has posted on his blog a map showing 44 U.S. military bases surrounding Iran.

In addition to the massive military preparations, there is the propaganda war against Iran that has been ongoing since 1979 when Washington’s puppet, the Shah of Iran, was overthrown by the Iranian revolution. Iran is surrounded, but Washington and Israeli propaganda portray Iran as a threatening aggressor nation. In fact, the aggressors are the Washington and Tel Aviv governments that constantly threaten Iran with military attack.

Neocon warmongers, such as David Goldman, compare the Iranian president to Adolf Hitler and declare that only war can stop him.

Washington’s top military officials have created the impression that an act of Israeli aggression against Iran is a done deal. On Feb. 2, The Washington Post reported that Pentagon chief Leon Panetta believes that Israel is likely to attack Iran in two to four months.

Also on Feb. 2, Gareth Porter reported that Gen. Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, informed the Israeli government that the United States would not join Israel’s aggression against Iran unless Washington had given prior approval for the attack.

Porter interprets Dempsey’s warning as a strong move by President Barack Obama to deter an attack that would involve Washington in a regional conflagration with Iran. A different way to read Dempsey’s warning is that Obama wants to hold off on attacking Iran until polls show him losing the Presidential election. It has generally been the case that the patriotic electorate does not turn out a President who is at war.

On Feb. 5, Obama canceled Dempsey’s warning to Israel when Obama declared that he was in “lockstep” with the Israeli government. Obama is in lockstep with Israel despite the fact that Obama told NBC that “we don’t see any evidence that they [Iran] have those intentions [attacks on the US] or capabilities.” By being in lockstep with Israel and simultaneously calling for a “diplomatic solution,” Obama appeased both the Israel lobby and Democratic peace groups, thus upping his vote.

This spring is a prime time for attacking Iran, because there is a good chance that Russia will be in turmoil because of its March election. The Russian opposition to Putin is financed by Washington and encouraged by Washington’s statements, especially those of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Whether Putin wins or there is an indecisive result and a run-off election, Washington’s money will put tens of thousands of Russians into the streets, just as Washington’s money created the “Green Revolution” in Iran to protest the presidential elections there.

On Feb. 4, the former left-wing British newspaper The Guardian reported a pre-election protest by 120,000 anti-Putin demonstrators marching in Moscow and demanding “fair elections.” In other words, Washington already has its minions declaring that a win by Putin in March can signify only a stolen election. The problem for Obama is that this spring is too early to tell whether his re-election is threatened by a Republican candidate. Going to war prematurely, especially if the result is a stiff rise in oil prices, is not an aid to re-election.

The willingness of people around the world to be Washington’s puppets instead of loyal citizens of their own countries is why the West has been able to dominate the world during the modern era. There seems to be an infinite supply of foreign leaders who prefer Washington’s money and favor to loyalty to their own countries’ interests.

As Karl Marx said, money turns everything into a commodity that can be bought and sold. All other values are defeated: honor, integrity, truth, justice, loyalty, even blood kin. Nothing remains but filthy lucre. Money certainly turned U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair into a political commodity.

The power of money was brought home to me many years ago. My Ph.D. dissertation chairman found himself in the Administration of Richard Nixon as Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security affairs. He asked if I would go to Vietnam to administer the aid programs. I was flattered that he thought I had the strength of character to stand up to the corruption that usually defeats the purpose of aid programs, but I declined the assignment.

The conversation was one I will never forget. Warren Nutter was an intelligent person of integrity. He thought that regardless of whether the war was necessary, we had been led into it by deception. He thought democracy could not live with deception, and he objected to government officials who were not honest with the American people. Nutter’s position was that a democratic government had to rely on persuasion, not on trickery. Otherwise, the outcomes were not democratic.

As Nutter saw it, we were in a war, and we had involved the South Vietnamese. Therefore, we had obligations to them. If we proved to be feckless, the consequence would be to undermine commitments we had made to other countries in our effort to contain the Soviet Empire. The Soviet Union, unlike the “terrorist threat,” had the potential of being a real threat. People who have come of age after the collapse of the Soviet Union don’t understand the Cold War era.

In the course of the conversation, I asked how Washington got so many other governments to do its bidding. He answered, “Money.”

I asked, “You mean foreign aid?”

He said, “No, bags of money. We buy the leaders.”

He didn’t approve of it, but there was nothing he could do about it.

Purchasing the leadership of their enemies or of potential threats was the Roman way. Timothy H. Parsons in his book The Rule of Empires describes the Romans as “deft practitioners of soft power.” Rome preferred to rule the conquered and the potentially hostile through “semiautonomous client kings which the Senate euphemistically termed ‘friends of the Roman people.’ Romans helped cooperative monarchs remain in power with direct payments of coins and material goods. Acceptance of these subsidies signified that an ally deferred to imperial authority, and the Romans interpreted any defiance of their will as an overt revolt. They also intervened freely in local succession disputes to replace unsuitable clients.”

This is the way Washington rules. Washington’s way of ruling other countries is why there is no “Egyptian Spring,” but a military dictatorship as a replacement for Washington’s discarded puppet Hosni Mubarak, and why European puppet states are fighting Washington’s wars of hegemony in the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia.

Washington’s National Endowment for Democracy funds non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that interfere in the internal affairs of other countries. It is through the operations of NGOs that Washington added the former Soviet Republic of Georgia to Washington’s empire, along with the Baltic States, and Eastern European countries.

Because of the hostility of many Russians to their Soviet past, Russia is vulnerable to Washington’s machinations.

As long as the dollar rules, Washington’s power will rule.

As Rome debased its silver denarius into lead, Rome’s power to purchase compliance faded away. If “Helicopter Ben” Bernanke inflates away the purchasing power of the dollar, Washington’s power will melt away also.

–Paul Craig Roberts

Paul Craig Roberts

was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of The Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His Internet columns have attracted a worldwide following, and can be accessed here.

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  • Deerinwater

    I hope not.

    • FreedomFighter

      Iran is already being attacked, sanctions are an act of war.

      Military attack will happen, if political damands are not met. I believe this includes re-election of Obama. No sitting president is removed or voted out during a war.

      With NDAA, and Martial law elections can be suspended by Obama during time of conflict — October Surprise.

      IMHO 4 more years of Obama will end America as a free nation completely, and end the constitution of the United States. Obama is openly after killing off the 2nd amendment and will do so with a second term and a few appointments to the supreme court.

      NRA official: Obama wants to outlaw guns in 2nd term

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/feb/10/nra-official-obama-wants-outlaw-guns-2nd-term/

      Once Obama takes the guns, the completed control grid for full spectrum dominance of the American people will be fully implemented and the NWO take over will be completed.

      Removal of Obama from Office is the single most important task of the American people in the last 200 years.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Dave

        Freedomfighter

        What a load of crap. Obama and his allies have not put forth a single proposal to get rid of guns in this country. That is just the wacky extremist NRA wanting more donations to keep their big money in the pockets of politicians and their position of power in DC.

        Right wingers are always the victim and the sky is always falling when a Democrat is in charge to them.

        Keep thinking Romney, Santorum or Paul will save you. And the corporatist game continues…..

        • FreedomFighter

          Only a communist would consider the 2nd amendment right wing, the link for the artical is right there, use it.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Dave

            Only a conservative can not read and comprehend what I typed.

          • FreedomFighter

            Fast and Furious by the criminal Eric Holder has been proven thur DOJ’s own documentation to be a planned

            ASSUALT ON THE 2nd AMENDMENT

            You communist leftest spew so many lies, even when the evidence is piled around your feet like the dead bodies or border patrol agents.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • APN

            dave said: “Only a conservative can not read and comprehend what I typed.”

            Tell us something we don’t already know. Who is the xell wants to understand a progressive! You nuts or something!

        • Flashy

          The “they’re out to take our guns” is another old moldy cliche’ the Right has used to deflect what the con game they have is. They select one or twwo very liberal people, or take a quote out of context, then hype it beyond recognition from the original use.

          There has been no move of any kind or shape by this administration of the Dems as a whole to ‘take” or limit the 2nd. Not even when gabby was shot.

          Fact is, the Dems have not been anti gun for decades, and even then it was all hype.

          It’s what the NRA does for income though..and what the Right needs to maintain it’s grip on the minds of the weak. Use the TP Trilogy of fear, hate and ignorance. Get into office, forget the social issues they used to hype the fear, hate and ignornace..and pass laws to enrich the already rich and cement the attacks on the Middle Class.

          • Dave

            That about sums up the right wing conservative movement in this country Flashy.

          • FreedomFighter

            Leftest psychotic babble— see FAST AN FURIOUS

            Goverment sells guns to drug gangs to blame 2nd amendement and restrict gun ownership

            Leftest lies will not prevail here.

            Sunlight kills trolls, here comes the sun!

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Robert

            So, flushy are you a natural born idiot or is it just a well polished act ?

          • John

            I know of many liberals, democrats, and even …gasp…communists that own guns, go to gun shows, go to the range to shoot, and do all the same things the right does… there is actually no difference between them, besides the reasons…the left wants to protect them self from what they believe will be right wing lynch mobs that will roam the country site should this country collapse. The hype that the liberals want to take guns away is only in the mind of a few who believe the nonsense of people and websites that have an agenda. The tendency to rather believe the most outrageous nonsense just because it is on the internet or on nut-tube instead letting common sense guide them is unfortunately true for the left and the right. It is the result of an intentional division created by the ruling elite. Divided people will never be a problem to the people who suck this country dry for their own enrichment. The danger to them is when people wake up and stop falling for the division nonsense and unite…But how can they? The division is instilled into them from birth on, be it religion (my god is the only true god and bigger better then your god) politics , gender, or social standing. The division is by design and 99% of the people are so conditioned to hate that they never find their way out of it. And so, the downward spiral into slavery continues.

          • DaveH

            Flashman, the person with NO credibility on this board speaks.
            You can be pretty sure, Folks, that if Flashman makes an assertion the opposite is true.
            Ask me to prove your lack of integrity, Flashman.

          • DaveH

            John says “The hype that the liberals want to take guns away is only in the mind of a few who believe the nonsense of people and websites that have an agenda”.
            Here’s a poll breaking down gun control to Democrats and Republicans:
            http://www.gallup.com/poll/150341/Record-Low-Favor-Handgun-Ban.aspx

            See breakdowns near the bottom.
            Percentage favoring stricter laws covering the sale of firearms (2011):
            Democrats 64%
            Republicans 31%
            Independents 37%

            Note that I know Liberals aren’t exclusively Democrat. There are Liberals (those who spurn the Constitution and advocate Big Government) in BOTH major parties.
            I will see if I can find a legitimate breakdown for Liberals vs. Conservatives, but I doubt it, partly because both terms these days are very obscure in peoples’ minds.
            My definition is that Liberals are as defined above, and Conservatives are those who advocate strict adherence to the Constitution and much Smaller Government.

          • DaveH

            Okay, here’s one from Gallup:
            http://www.gallup.com/poll/14185/Americans-Softening-Tougher-Gun-Laws.aspx
            “Seven in 10 liberals (70%) think the laws [covering firearm sales] should be stricter, compared with just 41% of conservatives”.

          • JeffH

            Flashy the Alinskyite, the false prophet, the deciever of any news has the gall, once again, to bless this board with his uncreditable banter.

            It was Holder who openly admitted to Congress of Obama’s desire to re-implement the “assaul weapons ban”. Before moving into the White House, Barack Obama spent his entire career proudly, publicly advancing the most radical anti-gun positions you can imagine.

            He endorsed a total ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns. He opposed Right- to-Carry laws. He voted to ban nearly all common hunting-rifle ammunition.

            In short, Obama never met a gun he liked, and never met a gun ban he didn’t like. The same was true of his running mate, then U.S. Senator Joe Biden, D-Del.

            In fact, during presidential primary debates, Obama and Biden competed to be the most anti-gun candidate in the race.

            Over the past three years, the Obama administration and its anti-gun allies have been engaged in a silent but sophisticated long-term conspiracy to:

            1. Neutralize gun owners and NRA voters as a political force in national elections, and thereby:

            2. Win re-election to a second term in the White House, where they then will be immune to the will of voters and free to continue consolidating and misusing their ever-increasing power to:

            3. Prosecute a full-scale, sustained, all-out campaign to excise the Second Amendment from our Bill of Rights through legislation, litigation, regulation, executive orders, judicial fiat, international treaties—in short, all the levers of power of all three branches of government.

            Obama, his administration and his anti-gun allies in the media have tried to shrug off, laugh off, shout down or shut down anyone who dares to investigate their clandestine, back-channel anti-gun activities.

            They’ll spout platitudes about protecting sportsmen and hunters. They’ll insist they’ve done nothing to attack your right to own a gun.

            They’ll even claim to have strengthened your rights, by restoring your right to transport firearms in luggage aboard Amtrak trains, or possess firearms in national parks.

            But that’s just a diversion to distract you from their true beliefs and objectives.

            Obama vowed to re-impose the discredited Clinton gun ban, and Biden bragged that, “I’m the guy that originally wrote the assault weapons ban.”

            So what happened after they won the White House? Did Obama, Biden and the anti-gun extremists who soon filled the West Wing suddenly completely reverse their positions? No!

            In an act of pure political calculation, they plotted to keep their gun-ban objectives concealed.
            http://www.nrapublications.org/index.php/11920/obamas-secret-plan-to-destroy-the-second-amendment-by-2016/

          • John

            DaveH, stricter laws on the sale and ownership of guns do NOT equate to the same as the whine that the liberals want to take the guns away.
            Do you want felons to be able to get guns without restriction? The mentally ill, people who have demonstrated a lack of self control and a demonstrated history of violence? Drug and alcohol addicts? people who have a history of abuse of others? If that is the country you envision, don’t be surprised that the rest of the people are against your nonsense.

          • JeffH

            John, there are very strict laws for anyone that wants to buy or possess a gun…or hadn’t you heard. Those examples you just mentioned are covered by Federal firearm laws that are already on the books…to continue to burden law abiding citizen with additional laws does nothing to stop the criminals who, by e way, are criminals because they don’t follow the law.

          • JeffH

            John, for your own education…

            The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits certain people from possessing a firearm. The possession of any firearm by one of these “prohibited persons” is a felony offense. It is also a felony for any person, including a registered Federal Firearms Licensee to sell or otherwise transfer any firearm to a person knowing or having “reasonable cause” to believe that the person receiving the firearm is prohibited from firearm possession. There are nine categories of persons prohibited from possessing firearms under the Gun Control Act:

            •Persons under indictment for, or convicted of, any crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding on year;
            •Fugitives from justice;
            •Persons who are unlawful users of, or addicted to, any controlled substance;
            •Persons who have been declared by a court as mental defectives or have been committed to a mental institution;
            •Illegal aliens, or aliens who were admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;
            •Persons who have been dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces;
            •Persons who have renounced their United States citizenship;
            •Persons subject to certain types of restraining orders; and
            •Persons who have been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

            With limited exceptions, persons under eighteen years of age are prohibited from possessing handguns

          • Mark in LA

            For those that don’t believe the Democrats want to take guns away, why did they do this fast and furious crap. It was in conjunction with all the typical leftist outlets like the Washington Post speading the nonsense that we were arming the Mexican drug gangs. That nonsense was also pushed repeatedly by Hillary.

            We also see the Democrats consistently wanting to expand the people subject to the unconstitutional Lautenberg amendment. Anybody can get a restraining order with no actual proof that there is a threat. This amendment has been used as a threat in divorce cases to favor women since the gun owners are mostly men,

            Just because nothing has happened lately doesn’t mean they aren’t waiting for something to happen or did you forget how quickly the usual suspects came out from under their rocks in the aftermath of the Giffords shooting?

          • Teresa M.

            John, I have to disagree with you. Stri8cter gun control laws only make it more difficult for the honest, law abiding citizens to own weapons. The criminals get their weapons on the black market and through theft of homes. In your world the criminals would still have guns and the rest of us would be defenseless. It’s not a world I want to live in.

          • eddie47d

            Internet sales of weapons are booming. No background checks are needed and anyone can apply. Not much different than straw sales and selling under the table at gun shows. What are the pro gun groups doing to keep weapons out of the hands of the wrong people. Not a damn thing!

          • Opal the Gem

            “Flashman, the person with NO credibility on this board speaks.
            You can be pretty sure, Folks, that if Flashman makes an assertion the opposite is true.”

            So true DaveH so true. I caught and showed several of Flashy’s lies yesterday.

          • Flashy

            Opal…if you are referring to the statement about the states that seceded and rebelled citing slavery as the main cause, I believe I stated every one cited such as the main basis for their rebellion.

            I believe you cited four which did not have explicit in the statement of secession any reference to slavery.

            I took the liberty of reading those last night that you cited. you may want to re-read them and look at how the reasons cited wrre framed, as well as the oblique references throughout. Then take a gander at who wrote them and their statements leading up to the call for rebellion.

            Nice try. I’ll give you that.

          • JeffH

            eddie shows just how ignorant one can be when he makes a profound comment with absolutley no knowledge of what he speaks. I could pass wind that is more honest than this comment by eddie.

            Internet sales of weapons are booming. No background checks are needed and anyone can apply. Not much different than straw sales and selling under the table at gun shows. What are the pro gun groups doing to keep weapons out of the hands of the wrong people. Not a damn thing!

            1. I have made multiple purchases through the internet and am required to have my local FFL dealer send a copy of his valid license to whomever I make a purchase from. Once the gun arrives, I have to fill out my DROS(Dealer Record Of Sale) background check paperwork which is submitted to the DOJ for approval. The DROS form completed for handgun transfers contains information about both the firearm buyer and the firearm itself (make, model, serial number, etc.). This information is used by the Department of Justice to run the criminal and mental history background check on the buyer and to register the handgun. Handgun registrations are actually done and maintained by the Department of Justice, but local law enforcement agencies have access to them 24 hours a day. I still have to wait (Calif-10days)for approval before I can take ownership of the gun. If a buyer’s background check isn’t approved, he will not be allowed to take possession of the firearm…period. Oh, and you’re out the money you spent too.
            Internet firearm dealers, by law, will not directly ship to an individual unless that individual or his representative has a “valid” FFL license that can be easily verified through the “FFL eZ Check”, a system that was designed to allow a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) who has a copy of another FFL’s license to verify or authenticate the license PRIOR TO shipping or disposing of a firearm(s) to the requesting licensee. The web site will verify the information shown on the license to determine if it is still valid.

            As for the rest of your comment, we’ve had multiple discussions and have provided the proof necessary to refute them as justwhat hey are, rhetoric and anti-gun talking points.

          • Opal the Gem

            “Every document written by every Southern state, without exception, places slavery as the main point of reason to secede from the Union.”

            Direct quote from you Flashy which I proved wrong. Ohoh also proved you wrong.

            ” 1. Lincoln did not invade the South until the South began the aggression. Not Fort Sumpter, but at the Battle of Bull Run.”

            Another lie by you. First Fort Sumter occured 3 months before Bull Run second the north attacked the defensive line of the South at Bull Run in Virginia the South did not attack the north.

            “Popular fervor led President Lincoln to push a cautious Brigadier General Irvin McDowell, commander of the Union army in Northern Virginia, to attack the Confederate forces commanded by Brigadier General P.G.T. Beauregard,…”

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:

            Internet sales of weapons are booming. No background checks are needed and anyone can apply.

            Ah the beauty of the bald assertion. No need to bother with facts or non existent cites.

            Not much different than straw sales and selling under the table at gun shows.

            Proof by more bald assertion and toss in a conspiracy theory for color.

            What are the pro gun groups doing to keep weapons out of the hands of the wrong people. Not a damn thing!

            False proposition followed by accusation. All in all a well known failed debate style.

          • DaveH

            John says — “don’t be surprised that the rest of the people are against your nonsense”.
            First you make up a list of fabricated beliefs of mine, then you appoint yourself as the representative of the “rest of the people”.
            Aren’t you afraid, John, that you’re going to increase the Global Warming with all that Bull Dung?

          • Mark in LA

            Who needs retards when you have eddie:

            Internet sales of weapons are booming. No background checks are needed and anyone can apply. Not much different than straw sales and selling under the table at gun shows. What are the pro gun groups doing to keep weapons out of the hands of the wrong people. Not a damn thing!

            There is nothing about internet sales that makes them done without background checks unless there is already a way to make such a sale already without checks. Some states allow private party sales to members of the same state without a background check. That would be the only way it could be done. Any other internet sale such as from an out of state source requires that the gun be delivered to a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder. They are required to do the federal background check. No FFL holder will risk his license and livelyhood by sending a gun directly to you. In California, every sale must go through a dealer and do the background check.

          • APN

            Sounds like the left to me, Flashy.

            Fact is, if not for the NRA we wouldn’t have a 2nd amendment.

        • Capitalist at Birth

          You are full of a load of c^&%$

        • hipshotpercusion

          I feel sorry for you, Dave. I am originally from the State of Illinois and remember how the usurper in OUR White House consistently voted(when he voted at all)for every piece of gun control legislation brought up. “Don’t urinate on my leg and tell me it’s raining.”

        • DaveH

          Dave says “What a load of crap. Obama and his allies have not put forth a single proposal to get rid of guns in this country”.
          Dave is either feeding at the trough (politician, Gov Employee, welfare recipient, public school teacher, etc.) or his blinders have been made of the thickest material known to man.
          http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=crmas&p=site%3Agunowners.org+obama+anti-gun

          • Flashy

            Seems gunowners.org is a wee bit paranoid…only someone right of Attila the Hun would get facroable news. As well, some of those “articles’ are twisted out of reality. No surprise since no one can come up with any anti-gun movements by this administration. it’s a fable born of the need to con people using the TP trilogy formula of fear, hate and ignorance.

            Anti Americanism is alive and well on the Right. One has to ask…why?

          • DaveH

            As usual, Flashman chooses to slander and personally attack instead of providing us with some facts.

          • DaveH

            Personally, Flashman, I think that’s Strike Two. I’ll sit back and see if Bob Livingston doesn’t agree.

          • Flashy

            DaveH….in case you haven’t figured it out yet, I really don’t care what you think.

            Have a nice day.

          • Dave

            Dave H,

            Put up or shut up time…

            Give me the laws the Obama admin has passed or tried to pass to limit your access to guns for hunting or self-prtection?

          • Flashy

            Dave…be prepared to wait a longgggg time. Mises doesn’t have this information …lol

          • DaveH

            Are you kidding me, Dave? I put up a link. You’ll have to do the rest of the work yourself. I’m not your nanny.
            What references have you provided? Nada.

          • ChristyK

            The government has learned that it needs to be crafty to take our guns away. They have been trying to pass (and the foolish NRA has supported) a national concealed carry law. All you have to do is take a government approved class and register and you can concealed carry in multiple states without qualifying in each. The problem is, then the government has the names of most of the gun owners, especially those who know how to use them. Once you have the list of gun owners, it is easy to take away the guns. This is exactly how they did it in Nazi germany. (1.register guns, 2.take away guns, 3.take away anything they want including your life).

            There are 2 things that must be done for tyrrany to prevail. They must take away guns and free speech. I’ve discussed the guns. SOPA and the fairness doctrine were to take away the free speech. Luckily some people are waking up. Hopefully more wake up before all of our freedoms are stolen.

          • JeffH

            Christy K says “They have been trying to pass (and the foolish NRA has supported) a national concealed carry law.”

            I suggest you educate yourself rather than make unsubstantiated commnts based on anti-gun rumors.

            I ask you to point out WHAT was foolish with this legislation, especially when the Obama administration gave it “zero” support.

            H.R. 822 is a good bill for gun owners. Don’t listen to false claims. Read the bill yourself and READ NRA FACT SHEET to get the facts.
            http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=189&issue=003
            H.R. 822 does NOT involve the federal bureaucracy in setting standards for carry permits, resulting in “need” requirements, higher fees, waiting periods, national gun owner registration, or worse.

            H.R. 822, Under the proposed House legislation, a national concealed carry reciprocity amendment would obligate states to recognize concealed carry permits of other states.

            There’s been a lot of misguided, unfounded, and just plain incorrect information circulating on the Internet regarding H.R. 822 — the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011.” Most of the false characterizations typically come from the anti-gun groups and media.

            H.R. 822 is a GOOD bill and is GOOD for gun owners.

            H.R. 822 ENHANCES Americans’ right to self-defense by enabling millions of permit holders to exercise their right to self-defense while traveling outside their home states.

            There is currently only one remaining state (Illinois) that has no clear legal way for individuals to carry concealed firearms for self-defense outside the home. H.R. 822 would require states to recognize each others’ lawfully issued carry permits, just as they recognize driver’s licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards.

            H.R. 822 DOES NOT:

            – Create a federal licensing or registration system;
            – Establish a minimum federal standard for the carry permit;
            – Involve the federal bureaucracy in setting standards for carry permit;
            – Destroy permitless carry systems such as those in Arizona, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming.

          • DaveH

            There are at least 3 things I see wrong, Jeff, with the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011, H.R. 822:
            1) Number 1, it is Unconstitutional. The Federal Government has no Power under the Constitution to dictate Gun Laws to the States. If we want to preserve the separation of powers, we can’t allow exceptions here and there just because we favor one agenda or another.
            2) “It forces Vermont and Arizona residents (who do not need a permit to carry) to either obtain an out-of-state permit or to push their state to pass a more restrictive concealed carry law than it now enjoys”.
            3) It asserts the Governments discretion over the 2nd Amendment, which it DOES NOT have. Legally, we all have the right to carry concealed because the 2nd Amendment says we do. The Second Amendment does not qualify HOW we may carry our arms, just that we have that right.

            I Believe H.R. 822 is just a Trojan Horse, much like ChristyK worries it is.

            See here for further discussion.
            http://gunowners.org/a111711.htm

          • DaveH

            As usual the NRA is involved with efforts to water-down our 2nd Amendment rights. Do not support that organization unless you want to undermine our 2nd Amendment rights.
            NRA — bad, Gunowners of America — good, National Association for Gun Rights — good.
            http://www.nationalgunrights.org/h-r-822-a-trojan-horse/

          • JeffH

            DaveH, obviously this is a point that you and I will disagree and repecfully so. I understand HR 822 has been referred to comittee and I also understand there is another alternative piece of legislation that is being introduced…H.R. 2900.

            I will continue to monitor the progress of HR 822 and HR 2900 and make an informed opimion.

          • Vicki

            JeffH. Why do I need a permit to exercise a right? Will we soon need a permit to write or publish pamphlets that might be critical of the current administration? Do we need to get a permit and present it when arrested so that we get our Miranda rights? Will I need a permit to go into a church on Sunday?

            Just saying.

          • JeffH

            Vicki, I think you’re asking the wrong question to the wrong guy here.

            Today, 49 states have laws permitting concealed carry, in some circumstances. Forty states, accounting for two-thirds of the U.S. population, have right-to-carry laws. Thirty-six of those have “shall issue” permit laws (including Alaska and Arizona, which also allow carrying without a permit), two have fairly administered “discretionary issue” permit laws, and Vermont (along with Alaska and Arizona) allows carrying without a permit. (Eight states have restrictive discretionary issue laws.)

            H.R. 822 would not create a federal registration or licensing system, nor would it establish a minimum federal standard for a carry permit. Rather, it would require the states to recognize each others’ carry permits, just as they recognize driver’s licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards.

            FACT: H.R. 822 would have absolutely no effect on how the permitless carry states’ laws work within those states. For residents of Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming, where permits are not required but remain available under state law, H.R. 822 would make those permits valid in all states that issue permits to their own residents. Residents of Vermont, where no permits are issued or required, could obtain nonresident permits from other states to enjoy the benefits of H.R. 822.
            http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=189&issue=003

          • Buster the Anatolian

            “H.R. 822 would not create a federal registration or licensing system, nor would it establish a minimum federal standard for a carry permit.”

            The problem is not in the basic bill itself but rather in what can be added to it. There were attempts to add all of those things to the bill in the house but the attempts were defeated. It remains to be seen what will happen to it in the senate.

          • APN

            I don’t see anything anywhere in the 2nd amendment that requires me to be permitted by any form of government to carry a gun. All those who have run out to get their permits, well, you will be the first on the list to lose your guns.

            The only reason King Obama hasn’t attacked the 2nd amendment openly is because he’s been too busy destroying other FREEDOMS through mandating this nationalized HC crap, and through the EPA, Czars, etc etc etc

            Boy, what a foolish nation of peoples.

        • JCfromDC

          The sky falling? What do leftists always say when conservatives want strict constitutionists in government, i.e., White House, Congress, and Supreme Court? “Racism, Fascism (which is really a Leftist movement), the end of liberty?”

        • http://Personalliberty Tony

          To Dave:
          You’re,actually, right. If you look at gun control organizations such as the Brady group, Obama gets a low grade for Gun control. Gun Owners of America, which i’m a proud member of, gives Obama a real good grade for defending gun rights. Granted, i prefer Ron Paul or Herman cain, if he can get back into the race, yet you are absolutely
          correct on this issue. Thanks!!

          • Dave

            Thats what I am saying Tony, but don’t try to talk sense to Dave H or FF, they have their own agenda which is devoid of factual information.

            They just hate Obama just because their right wing handlers told them he is “bad”

          • Teresa M.

            I am an independent that tends to lean to the right. I was willing to give Obama credit and was even starting to like him a little when he said he wouldn’t sign the NDAA and then he signed it anyway. What really scares me is I believe he will get 4 more years because the repub party can’t get their act together. They have put forth 2 liars, one with very serious ethics issues and add santorum who seriously scares the bejeezus out of me. The only one that I can even relate too is critisized by the media and the repub party constantly because he doesn’t fit their mold. Obama is no savior, He’s just like all the other career politicians and in my opinion they all need to go. If I did my job the way they do, I would be gone already. Wake up people the only differece between the 2 parties is the group they choose to overspend on, but both make the world a much darker place.

          • DaveH

            Tony says “Gun Owners of America, which i’m a proud member of, gives Obama a real good grade for defending gun rights”.
            Do you Liberals ever tell the truth, Tony?
            From gunowners.org — “Gun Owners of America has two major goals in 2012:
            First — make Barack Obama a one-term President.”
            http://gunowners.org/a112310.htm

        • Bear

          Yeah right dave…that’s why the State Department is all over the “Small Arms Treaty” being pushed by the united nations…because it is intended, NOT towards nations, but of the populace of the nations…Do some research and get the FACTS…and quit spewing lib tALKING POINTS!

          • Flashy

            Bear…just for giggles…has the Obama Administration asked the Senate to ratify any such treaty? I believe it’s 11 years now and counting since the UN put forth the text.

            LOL ….

          • JeffH

            Flashy continues with his leftist banter. More educational material for you Flashy!

            How can something be signed if it has yet to be finalized and ratified by the Senate…but that has nothing to do with the support Obama and his Administration are committed too once it is finalized.

            BELLEVUE, Wash., Oct. 19, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The Obama administration “is seeking advice and consent” for Senate ratification of an international small arms treaty, and also supports the inclusion of small arms in the UN Register of Conventional Arms, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms learned today.

            The disclosure is found in the text of a statement to the First Committee of the 66th session of the UN General Assembly, delivered by Laura E. Kennedy, the permanent United States representative to the Conference on Disarmament. CCRKBA obtained a copy of the statement.

            In her statement, Kennedy recalls that the United States in 1997, under the Clinton administration, signed the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials. However, the Senate never ratified the document, and there was no interest in pushing the treaty during the Bush administration. American firearms rights activists have steadfastly fought against inclusion of small arms in any such treaty.

            “More than half the members of the Senate have already advised Barack Obama that they will not ratify any treaty that threatens the Second Amendment rights of American citizens,” noted CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, “so it’s not clear why he is – according to Kennedy’s revealing statement – suddenly seeking Senate ratification of this measure.

            “If the Obama administration is this eager to push adoption of a treaty that’s been gathering dust for eleven years,” he added, “one can
            http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/us-rep-to-un-says-obama-wants-senate-to-ratify-arms-treaty-132183523.html

          • Flashy

            Nice bit of fund raising gaggle from the group. Question…has the treaty been submitted to the Senate for approval or rejection since the UN published it 11 years ago?

            Come on…yes or no.

        • isBubba

          @Dave -

          Ali-Bama has not come out with a single true proposal for anything. He uses deception, illegal power grabs and treachery to accomplish what he wants. In the case of 2nd Amendment attacks, to name only two major ones, he’s engineered new ATF rules and the “Fast-and-Spurious” operation as well as “Operation White Guns” to attempt to blame legal gun dealers for criminals obtaining guns. He’s got Ms. Clinton supporting the U.N.’s so-called Small Arms Treaty, which would effectively create a Constitutional crisis by pitting our 2nd Amendment against the Constitutional mandate that says that Treaties the Fed signs into law become the law of the land….

          The list goes on and on, if only you take off your shades.

          • eddie47d

            If there weren’t so many illegal gun sales going on in America there wouldn’t have been any Fast and Furious. I don’t support Fast and Furious anymore than the dealers who sparked this investagation. Two wrongs don’t make a right but pro gun folks never mention the other side of the story. Both sides on these illegal gun sales are nothing but cowards.

          • Vicki

            eddie47d says:

            If there weren’t so many illegal gun sales going on in America there wouldn’t have been any Fast and Furious.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QykrIxHvr6g
            It is carefully hidden in this video (0:55) but you will hear the reporter admit that the “evil” gun shops actually contacted ATF and were told to go ahead. That’s right The law abiding American gun seller was going to refuse the sale till OUR GOVERNMENT told them to go ahead.

            And Eddie47d clearly demonstrates why. The Administration wants people to feel that there are so many “illegal” sales that we need more laws restricting the law abiding Americans.

          • CZ52

            eddie despite his claims to be pro gun has never to my knowledge supported any new proposal that would be considered pro gun and has never opposed any new restrictions on gun ownership.

          • eddie47d

            Your so blind to the truth about illegal weapon sales that you think Fast and Furious is the only game in town. Apparently you don’t read much besides the headlines or the American Rifleman.

        • Terri Lynn Sullivan

          that would be great if Obama takes away the “rights” of the American people to bear arms. Nobody should be allowed to carry a gun….and instument of killing people. Gun’s should not be looked at as a took of “self-defense”, as that proverbial “bad guy” or girl, since guys no more violent/evil overall than gals) is in the eyes of the beholder, and that very same holder of guns could be a loony. I’d respect Obama more if he would push to abolish the 2nd ammendmant “right”, as it does not represent an American “freedom”. Now, if he would stop using the rhetoric and marketing spin of the extrmist Pentagon and war profiteering MIC “fighting for freedom and liberty”, he’d be respected more. Any rational American today realizes war does not quite “serve our nation”, and we need to stop extolling “virtues” of killing people, stop the self-inflicted recession, stop the alarmist media data hyping up “terrorism”, when each of us Americans are 12 thousand times more likley to die of cancer than said “terrorist” attack, more likely from a car accident as well. Let’s get real

          • Vicki

            God made man and woman. Colt made them equal.

          • Deerinwater

            That’s not the way I remember it but your way can be spun several ways.

            Let’s face it “the gun” just made it easier to inflict your will on someone else without giving it much thought, much less effort. If they are unarmed or under-armed I failed to see much equality. I guess that would be your own fault.

            Before guns, there were bones,rocks and sharp sticks.

          • DaveH

            You can hype all you want, Terri Lynn, but the facts are that murder rates have gone down since the states started adopting concealed carry laws. See this:
            http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=3E55BAE13025C49D09E32C9ECBD29478

        • http://www.yahoo.com Peggy

          It is painfully clear to everyone now that you have not spent the time or energy to read the entire text of the NDAA aka Patriot act.
          If you had of you would of realized exactly how ignorant your comment really is. Perhaps the likes of you will be the FIRST one that Obama sends the Military out to arrest, and toss into a military prison for indefinite detention – with no trial. Good luck with that fantasy of yours, as for me, I live in the real world.

      • mark

        Freedom Fighter, Every single American, man, woman, and child will also be shot on Jan. 20, 2013 immediately after the inauguration ceremony for Obama’s second term. This is also part of his plan. You forgot to mention that. Then on Jan. 21, 2013 he will kill every human being, man woman, and child on the planet. After he accomplishes these 2 things, then he will really get started on a giant list of truly evil plans.
        Thank God we have people like you to warn us all of what is definitely coming. You’re such a patriot. You’re such a hero!

        • Capitalist at Birth

          And you, obviously, are an ignoramus.

        • BigBadJohn

          LOL thanks for the laugh

        • FreedomFighter
          • hipshotpercusion

            That about sums up the average Obama voter.

          • Dave

            Here is Freedom Fighter at is computer

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzxaU5amX2Q

          • Jay

            That was funny, Dave. I watched and laughed through the whole thing, and all during which, i couldn’t help but be reminded of Joe Biden. Wouldn’t you agree?

          • Deerinwater

            That was one poor display of self control, I couldn’t make the end. It was just to painful to watch.

            I guess I don’t know Joe Biden Jay.

        • Dave

          Mark,

          Freedom Fighter and capitalist at birth have the proper protection. Their tin hats are properly fitted to withstand the Fed Gov’s barrage and the laserbeams from Planet 9 in the Andromeda galaxy will not get through either.

          I heard that Obama will eat babies on his next inauguration… Little white babies at that. HE MUST BE STOPPED!

          We must vote Rick Santorum in a president at all costs!!! So we will send Freedom Fighter back to Iraq to protect our freedom at a cost of a few trillion more… No big deal to conservatives when they are in charge. If we had a gov that would say before any action, “What would Reagan do” We could cut and run next time Marines get blown up in a foriegn country, get cozier with big oil and tax cut and spend our way to a false economy.

          Obama is the devil…right wing loons, just repeat that again and again so you can go to sleep at night with your thumb in your mouth.

          • DaveH

            Do you Liberals realize how Ignorant your constant personal attacks, ridicule, and other adolescent manipulative techniques make you look?

          • Flashy

            “Their tin hats are properly fitted to withstand the Fed Gov’s barrage and the laserbeams from Planet 9 in the Andromeda galaxy will not get through either.”

            So all concerned and aware can be safe.

            http://www.instructables.com/id/Aluminum-Foil-Hat/

          • http://Personalliberty Tony

            To Dave:
            Although i may not agree with some of your political views, but i have to say, this is really funny. Unfortunately, alot of nutjobs have infiltrated my party. Thanks!!

          • Jay

            As opposed to your frontal-lobotimy, Flashy?

          • Vicki

            Flashy says:

            So all concerned and aware can be safe.

            http://www.instructables.com/id/Aluminum-Foil-Hat/

            Flashy does know how to do a cite. Now we have evidence that flashy has no facts for his arguments because he does know how to find and present a cite but doesn’t.

        • Chris Schilke

          Mark, Since you wrote it you must believe it. I don’t think anybody here is saying that Obama wants to eliminate mankind from the planet…after all, who would he and those in power rule…each other?

          • Deerinwater

            No, He didn’t mean it, he was fighting the “absurd with the absurd” .

            I do not write with the same style as Flashman, I’ve never thought that I should but I have often wondered what it would take to find the limits and depth of the absurdity so often presented here. I think Flashman has helped us see there is a bottom for progressive while for our “alleged” conservative friends, it is truly bottomless.

            Offering some restriction to some firearm sales does not make you anti-gun but a thoughtful and mindful citizen. Bearing in mind Criminals care little about laws and will acquire anything they can get their hands on. We are left to make it only more difficult to do. Why does anyone need a 50 round hand gun magazine? Multi-predators? You’d burn the barrel up in no time and get too hot to hold.

            Myself, I’d like to have a “Thumper” with several cases of all the different rounds it can throw, Shot, beehive, WP parachute flares,frag grenades. I’d like to have a 12 gauge Street Sweeper. I’d like to have a 50cal. sniper rife. I’d love to own an M14

            Several cases of LAW’s and few surface to air missiles just for fun.

            200 Claymors would be nice. Some of this shopping list I can fill with no problem.

            But where would I put it all? I’d have to build a bunker! I wonder what the neighbors would think? I could sand bag the inside walls of my house! Paint them a pretty color, maybe my girl friend won’t notice. It’s the latest in soldier of fortune interior design, the window treatments should be in next week darling. You just love ‘em.

          • Chris Schilke

            Deerinwater, don’t forget to fix the roof, they’ll come down at you that way. I didn’t think Mark really meant what he wrote but, I’m new to these things and I don’t yet know who’s who here. I do know who flashy is. Although maybe he’s just writing things to stir up the hornets nest and he’s really a closet conservative? Good night all.

          • Deerinwater

            Welcome Chris, It’s a polarized spin zone, don’t bother leaving your attitude at the door. Everybody is right here and we kill the messenger for bad news.

            It’s an on going food fight among many here and there are tag team’ers that enjoy getting personal.

            Nuclear is not very user friendly and very unforgiving. Iran would be wise to supply the rest of the world with some assurances that they have yet to do.

            I would ask the simple question , “why?” I know that is over simplifying the issue, but none the less a good place to start. At some point in time, other nations have found it to their advantage and complied. Why is Iran being so obstinate?

      • FactNotRhetoric

        RIOTS => OBAMA MARTIAL LAW DICTATORSHIP => SUSPEND THE CONGRESS AND THE CONSTITUTION

        You are so right with what “Saudi Puppet Obama” has planned for the US.

        The Saudis are the new Hitlers, hell bent on world conquest. Iran and Syria are their next targets.

        It’s the same old plan Hitler and Mussolini used. They hire Blackshirts to infiltrate peaceful protests. In the US it is called an Occupy Movement. The Russian RIOTS are the same thing. Ditto for Greece, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Kenya and Yemen.

        These are Saudi Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Al Qaeda attacks on Democracies to turn Democracies into bloody, genocidal, Hitler-Like, Saudi Dictatorships.

        • Flashy

          FF..you forgot to mention the use of the zombies.

          • Capitalist at Birth

            Once again, I must inform you of your lack of knowledge, due to the fact that you spend more time stroking your keyboard than reading. Is this a way for you to get some form of perverted sexual pleasure?

          • FactNotRhetoric

            I did forget to mention how “Saudi Puppet Obama” could possibly do this.

            “Saudi Puppet Obama” left “Saudi written Sharia Law” in the constitutions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Kenya and Yemen. When “Saudi written Sharia Law” is part of any countries constitutions, it turns democracies into bloody, genocidal, Hitler-Like, Saudi Dictatorships.

            The Saudis are planting FALSE FLAGS everywhere from assassinating Iranians to blame it on the Israelis to assassinating Israelis to blame it on the Iranians. There is no way Iran is a threat to Israel with 200 nukes pointed at Iran. There is no way Iran would attack the US with a nuke. We’d wipe them off the face of the earth in minutes.

            These are all FALSE FLAGS to allow “Saudi Puppet Obama” to sacrifice thousands of American Soldiers lives, along with $Trillions of borrowed Dollars to kill close to a million innocent middle easterners in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Tunisia, Yemen and Iran.

          • Jay

            Flashy: FF..you forgot to mention the use of the zombies.

            No need for that, Flashy. The fact that you are here, confirms the the zombies conspiracy!

        • BigBadJohn

          correct me if I am wrong…. But didn’t the republican controlled congress come up with a bill to drop term limitations for GWB???
          Seems to me the republicans are the ones after a dictatorship!

          • FactNotRhetoric

            GWB and the Bushes got $1.6 Billion Dollars direct from the Saudis. Is that a plain enough answer? The Bushes got their first oil well from the Bin Laden family.

            This is not about Republicans or Democrats. This is about Saudi-Hitler’s wanting to take over the world by sacrificing thousands of American Lives and $Trillions of borrowed American dollars to slaughter millions of innocent middle eastern citizens who are in the way of the SAUDI ONE WORLD ORDER conquering the world. Iran and Syria are next on “Saudi Puppet Obama’s” agenda.

          • Opal the Gem

            ” But didn’t the republican controlled congress come up with a bill to drop term limitations for GWB???”

            And just where did you come up with this bit of foolishness? It takes much more than a bill in congress to overturn term limits for the president.

          • BigBadJohn

            Opal, Sorry, doing some research there have been many proposals to drop the 22nd admendment – all of them in committe and never made to the floor. In 2007 Jose Serano propossed dropping the 22nd and then again in 2009.

            I guess what I was thinking, from George Bush himself—-

            “Topping off the list of these laws which support evil is the eight-year term limit for President. True, the eight-year term limit used to be an effective way to ensure that domestic regime change occurred – but that was before terrorism, when wars were short and change was a good thing. When the enemy fought as a nation, the Commander-in-Chief had the luxury of being able to invade an evil country, exterminate its people, and be holding tickertape parades before his term was over. Indeed, a Commander-in-Chief could even last eight years or less without compromising national security.

            Sadly, those days are behind us. Terrorism is here for the long haul, and we need to fight it on the long-haul timeline.

            In 2008, at the end of my term, everything I have built to take out terrorists at home and abroad will be at the mercy of a new Commander-in-Chief. Why should we take that kind of risk? If you were winning a football game in the first quarter, would you put in your second-string quarterback?

            I don’t think you would – and I wouldn’t either.

            That is why I will soon be proposing, as part of a new series of Homeland Security initiatives, that we guarantee the future safety of the American people by doing away with the eight year term limit.”

          • Opal the Gem

            BigBadJohn As I said it takes much more than a proposal or bill in congress to overturn the 22nd amendment. It would take an amendment to the constitution ratified by the states to overturn it. That is not an easy or quick process.

        • http://www.yahoo.com Peggy

          Did you see the picture of Oboma bowing to the King of Saudi and kissing his hand? That one gesture means that Obama stated publicly that the US concedes to the rule of Saudi Arabia. That sickens me more than I can put into words. Why is the senate letting him stay in the White House ? It is insane. Him and his ( for the first time in my life I am proud to be an American ) woman should be sent to Kenya with their raciest attitudes toward American white people. It is so insane of the Obama‘s , for crying out loud the man is half white himself.

      • Tom W.

        Hey FF, are you buying Mr. Roberts claim that our focus on Iran is completely unwarrented?!! I don’t know about you, but I believe that I do, take Mahmoud Ahmadinenutjob (Kinda like deerinwater) compleletely at his word when he says that he wants to wipe Israel and US off the face of the map! You see I believe that what we are getting ready to witness over in the Middle East is the fulfillment of Ezekeil chapts. 36-39, what the Bible calls the battle of the latter years. Ezekiel 38:8. If people wouldn’t be so blind to the spirtual aspect of what’s happening here! Ahmadinejab is a Sunni and thus a Twelver and believes himself to be the chosen one to cleanse the world of the Jews to prepare the way for their Mahdi (The 12th Imam), compare the prophecies from the Quran to the reign of the anti-Christ in Rev. chapts. 4-18!!! I believe that any moment now that the news media will be scrambling trying to explain the sudden disappearence of tens of millions of people, I wonder what kinda fabrication they’ll come up with?! If you find yourself on the wrong side of the Rapture, DON’T PANIC!!! Ask Jesus into your heart right away! Get together with others who will have just done the same. Stay strong in the Lord!!! It might cost you your life for His witness, but fear not what man can do to you, fear Him!!! Even if you have to die, you still end up in paradise! It’s a WIN/WIN!!! And whatever the HELL you do, DO NOT TAKE THE MARK!!! Once you do, the Bible says there is no turning back, you’ve only one destination left, the Lake of Fire!!!

        • Tom W.

          Damn FF, See what ya got started?!!

      • Deerinwater

        “Removal of Obama from Office is the single most important task of the American people in the last 200 years.”

        You sound like a carnival barker FF. Making wild claims. You don’t speak for all Americans, whatever makes you think that you might?

        I don’t mind that you say such things or that you might actually believe such things. But how are you going to behave when you fail? Where what you believe so strongly in fails to transpire?

        Voter Fraud? The “Fix” was in? American has been taken over by people that don’t belong here and are allowed to vote?

        How are you to accept any outcome other then the one you hope for?

        I serious don’t believe that you can. You will be left to spit your poison another 4 years. That much poison is bad for your personal health and it’s a given you will not be a pleasant person to be around. So being left lonely is not completely out of the question.

        Some coping skills is never to late to learn you know?

        I help bury a 97 year old gentleman today. It was a gloomy day. He enjoyed 96 1/2 good years and danced 3 nights a week until he was 95.

        Philippians 4:6-9, True Peace in Your Life
        by Matt Slick
        “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable — if anything is excellent or praiseworthy — think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me — put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.”

        • Tom W.

          Who are you to accuse any one of making outlandish claims Deer?!! Are you telling me that there is actually a person named Mickey Mouse living in Chicago?! Well maybe. Or that no dead Dems voted in Indiana The last elections?!! You don’t see a problem there?! I’ll bet you even sided with the DOJ when they dropped charges against Shamir Shabazz on the voter intimidation charge!!!

      • Lyle Brunckhorst

        This is the very excuse that Obama has been engineering from the beginning to create the atmosphere for martial law which he needs to complete his evil mission.

        We will all need to act fast once the war starts to try and escape the inevitable confiscation of arms, food and property.

        There will be a false flag attack and then all hell will break loose.

        Prepare

    • Tom W.

      Mr. Roberts, I noticed a very apologetic tone to your article! You were more apologetic than our dear POTUS was on his “We’re so sorry!” tour!!! What I believe Mr. Roberts is that it makes little difference what role that the US has, is, or was playing in the outcome of world affairs, we are at this crux, and I truly believe it is the fullfilment of Bible prophecy, and there is no turning back now!
      Luke 21:32 (KJV)
      “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.”
      I think that I really just didn’t care for the tone of your article Mr. Roberts! What have we to be sorry for?!! Rebuilding Europe after WWII?!! Playing policeman amongst all the small squirmishes that break out around the world, keeping them from turning into something major?!! I will admit that some of our policies have been somewhat less than righteous in the fact that we’ve kept some brutal dictators in power as long as they served our greedy self-righteous purposes, made deals with governments to the detriment of it’s people again for nothing more than unbridled capitalism!!! But this in itself is a fulfillment of Bible prophecy; “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God, from such turn away,” – II Tim. 3:1-5.
      Now you know what I think Mr. Roberts, and what I think is you better make sure that your lamp is TRIMMED and BURNING!!! (Matt. 25:1-13) Because if you’re not LOOKING up, (Luke 21:28) you SURELY to GOD must be BLIND!!! (II Cor. 4:3&4) Because you surely DON’T WANT TO GET COUNTED AMONGST THE GOATS!!! (Matt. 25:31-46) JESUS IS COMING GUYS! HE LOVES Y’ALL AND SO DO I!!! ASK HIM TO SAVE YOU TODAY!!!

  • elizabeth allen

    I appreciate Mr. Roberts discussing Iran, but my question to him is “when he was in the govenment why didnt he speak up”? Thats the problem with this country. People in positions of power dont speak up until they leave power…and most of them go to the right..where they can make even more money. I speak of the Generals who leave the Pentagon and head straight to the biggest weapons manufacturers with their “wish list”, if that isnt insider trading, and taking advantage of the american people for personal opportunities, what is. There should be a ban on Generals retiring and going to weapons manufacturers for a period of at least 5 years.

    • FreedomFighter

      Non-issue leftest psycho-babble. Exactly what does this have to do with Attack on Iran?

      Nothing

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Old Henry

        We attack Iran and we instantly have 50 MILLION more who hate the U.S. and want it destroyed – and rightly so.

        • CP

          The ten percent or less in control of Iran already hate us enough to attempt assassination of some of their political enemies right here in the US. These are the people making sure Hesbollah and a few other muslim extremist groups have weapons and money to continue fighting against us and what we stand for. It isn’t the PEOPLE of Iran or Syria we have to fear, it is the rulers of said countries, and the ruler in Iran is NOT the “elected” president.

          • Old Henry

            It will be the PEOPLE of Iran who will be bombed to death, just as in Libya where Little Barry murdered tens of thousands of innocent men, women, children, old people.

            Iran is a beautiful country full of history. Our war-mongering will simply kill tens of thousands and destroy the landscape.

            The biggest problem is the fact that Iran is getting away from using the worthless dollar. Can’t have that can we?

            Why not give Little Barry his gun and let him go in and kill the leaders like he did bin-Laden? If he gets them, we win. If they get him, we win.

        • http://www.yahoo.com Peggy

          @Old Henry YEP. It seems that the US did not learn anything at all from the disastrous interference into the business of Iran the first time in 1979. Now they are poised to not just repeat the same mistake, but make a mistake on a much larger scale, with much more serious consequences to American lives..

    • Les

      If you speak out you are burned for being a whistleblower and you will not be able to work ever again. I know that now and I watch as my remaining friends are burned or get the hint from what happened to me.

      • DaveH

        Stand Tall, Les. No job is worth your self esteem. I’ve given up many standing up for my Principles.

    • Karolyn

      You know, that’s what I wonder about too – people speaking out. Of course, there are those who speak out on various issues, but nobody listens. And then those who are silenced; so many are afraid to speak out. What about the people who used to work for Area 51 who have been talking about what really happened there? They are speaking out, but nobody is listening. The people of this country are too busy living their daily mundane lives to pay attention. I also think about members of congress who are upstanding and legitimat (like Ron Paul). If they know about things that the public should know, why don’t they have the guts to come forward?

      • FreedomFighter

        Some good info for you K.

        Life in America Under Agenda 21 with whistleblower Charlotte Iserbyt

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEfdpC6Vjfs&feature=uploademail

        Truth is being buried, ignored, hidden by goverment controlled media.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Old Henry

          Thank you once again FreedomFighter. Good link. I passed it on to many. Whether they will watch it I cannot say, but I do know that Stupid is forever, Ignorance can be fixed.

    • Jeep

      elizabeth, the military already has rules in place that will not allow a general officer to work for any defense contractor for two years. Although, it is easy to work as a “consultant” NO general officer is allowed to work in procurement during that period.

    • Mark in LA

      elizabeth, Roberts is like all the rest. He was an avid free trader when he worked for Reagan. Now he criticizes it. He claims it isn’t what it was supposed to be. Actually it is exactly what it was supposed to be – the end of the middle class. He also forgets that no administration was more shameless in using the hype of the Cold War to advance its agenda or hide its failure than the Reagan administration, like when Grenada was invaded to make everyonen take their attention away from Reagan’s stupidity in Beirut.

      • Deerinwater

        What? 350 Marines died in their bunks? That still chaps my a$$ets.

        We should have never been there but since we were, we such have bought the place after such a down payment. We should own it outright today and renamed it Purgatory by the Sea, a final refuge of the GOP politicians like Newt Gingrich.

  • Orrie

    War is more important to the Washington misfits than solving the problems we have here in America.

    • Deerinwater

      Well, I think it depends on what the bankers want. If they can see some profit in a war with Iran, Iran is toast.

      I was just admiring Iran’s little ship in the picture, I hope they’ve got something a bit larger if they plan to stay on top of the water long. I’m sure it would be very effective on some pirates in a blow boat.

  • Dave

    The United States is owned lock, stock and barrel by the military industial complex, the big banks and big energy interests. You do not become president or any position of real power without their say so. Obama is no different than Bush, Clinton, Reagan… We need someone strong enough to break their hold on thios country but alas, nobody, not even Ron Paul has that kind of strength. We made our bed with Iran in the 1950′s with CIA Operation Ajax were we actively undermined the country’s internal election. We do business with anybody as long as they go by our rules. Of course we reserve the right to change those rules at a momnet’s notice and Saddam Hussein, our former friend found that out real quick. We reserve the right to hold Israel to a different standard than we hold Muslim nations.

    If we want real change, Throw out the GOP and Democrats and pass laws circumventing the right wing activist Supreme Court to get big money out of our political process. Iran wants nukes for good reason, having Nukes is the only safeguard a country has against attack from the United States or its allies and our enemies know this. Money is our god and look what it has dones to our country.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Who is we? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

    • Jeep

      Of course, you mean to keep such fine SCOTUS members like Justice Ginsburg since as a justice she considers foreign laws – not just U.S. laws and its Constitution – in forming her legal opinions. In answer to her critics that she relys too heavily on world opinion, Ginsberg said this “should not lead us to abandon the effort to learn what we can from the experience and good thinking foreign sources may convey.” Or how about Justice O’Connor who openly stated that the court should look abroad for judicial guidance. Or, maybe Justice Kagan, whose socialist leanings are very anti-American. She has given such great quotes as, “Americans are more likely to speak of…. capitalism’s glories than of socialism’s greatness.” Or, “We must look further to find the causes of U.S. socialism’s demise.” Of course, I am certain Dave you will rally to the socialist banner since, as Kagan said, “…American radicals cannot afford to become their own worst enemies. In unity lies their only hope.”

    • Old Henry

      Dave:

      The last president who tried to break them suddenly, ah, lost part of his head.

    • DaveH

      Strength can only come from all Freedom Lovers doing the hard work to inform themselves and their friends of the real game that’s going on. It’s not between Democrats and Republicans, it’s between our Freedom or the Leaders’ Power. Things will only get better when we quit treating Politics like a football game, and realize that Neither team is worth rooting for.
      Ron Paul, no doubt, does not have the Power to do it by himself. But as he spreads the message and an increasing number of people wake up, we can overwhelm the 1% (mostly the Policians) with logic.
      http://ronpaul2012.com/

  • Ron Turkett

    Having worked in Eqypt for two years with several ex Egyptian military gernerals and other civilians of all ages I learned much about the country and its politics. That knowledge has led me to disagree with much of your position about Eqypt. They all spoke fluent English and had a good understanding of global politics since many have studied history and traveled the world. That causes me to question some of your other points of view.

    • Old Henry

      Ron:

      Thank you for sharing some of your experience.

      We must remember, they do not have the likes of American Idol, NFL / AFL, The Apprentice, et al ad nausium. The Egyptians actually pay attention, study and become educated.

      • DaveH

        People everywhere are subjected to Propaganda. The best we can do is read as much as possible, and think — What really makes sense?
        Does War for Peace make sense? NO.
        Does Prosperity from Redistribution of Wealth make sense? NO.
        Does Trading Freely and Voluntarily among your fellow people without the fetters of Government Coercion and Corruption make sense? YES.
        …..

    • eddie47d

      Considering that the Egyptian military and police are now in control of that country I would hardly give them high praises. The citizens now have another dictatorial government to deal with.

  • Flashy

    “. As no one expects Iran to attack Israel (except in retaliation for an Israeli attack on Iran),”

    Hokayyyyy … yet Iran’s leadership has made it a point to state publically on an almost daily chant the destruction of Israel is their desires.

    Iran is indisputably etermined to refine fuel for a nuke, and become the first ME Arab cuntry to have nuclear capability. Looking at the other Islamic power with a nuke, Pakistan, such a thought sure gives one warm fuzzy feelings of safety does it not?

    Today’s series of comments will be very interesting uin that as Iran’s daily rant against Israel, the far Right and the TPers have engaged in a daily chant of Obama appeasing Iran and doing nothing to prevent its progress towards nuclear capability.

    Even of more interest, For being accused of doing nothing, Obama has managed to place the noose around Iran to encourage its cessation of building nuclear weapons.

    The author’s surmising that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were being crought to a close because it releases troops for military action against Iran is laughable. From the first days of his campaign for the Presidency, Obama has stated one of the main goals of his administration was to end those wars, bring home the troops, and reduce the costs we are shouldering. That and the numbers we have on the ground there are not those which cause an eyebrow as to what they are to be used for. Any invasion or attack on the ground against Iran will take far more than the troops we have there.

    Let’s see…the economy is showing signs of strong gain, unemployment is dropping, farcical lies and made up claims are falling on deaf ears, polls show President Obama wiping the floor with any of the GOP contenders, ….all that’s left for the Right and fanatic Obama-haters is to conjure up a “Wag the Dog” scenario and that dog don’t bite.

    Obama has done a darn good job in prepatory planning, setting up for any foreseeable scenario, manuevering us into a strong position and boxing in those who declare themselves our enemies. In other words, making sure we are prepared and safe.

    And now he’s being faulted for this.

    Wy is the Far Right so determined to be anti American to the point of calling for America to be weakened economically, socially, and in foreign affairs?

    • FreedomFighter

      What a load of BS.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Flashy

        FF….why do you think that? Is not Iran in a tight place right now due to the manuevers and efforts of the past three years? Is not Iran up against the wall being faced on all sides with a united front? Is not iran a danger to the US if not for the simple fact they sit right in the middle of our oil lifeline?

        • http://google rose

          We have plenty of oil here. So Iran is not in the middle of our oil lifeline.

          • John

            Yeah Rose, it will only takes us about 15 years to get enough wells drilled and infra structure installed for all of our oil to be useful.

          • JeffH

            WOW John, and as long as the enviro-wackos and Obama block projects like the Keystone pipeline we’ll continue to see energy, oil and gas prices skyrocket and American job losses…isn’t this the premise of Obama’s very existance?

        • FreedomFighter

          What will attack on Iran lead to? Russia – China involved.

          WWIII will not be good for anyone, billions will die, nukes will be unleashed to poison the world, bio-weapons released to kill and sicken the masses, starvation, disease…90% of the world dies…

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Flashy

            which is why the rantings of the past three years by the far right was ignored.

          • John

            After reading some of the comments by perpetual haters on this and similar sites, I start to wonder if this really would be such a bad thing… At least it would give humanity a chance to start over,…. and this time maybe they will learn from the past.

          • Jeep

            You are right on target John, we SHOULD learn from the past. Just look at the lessons from our recent 20th century that are roundly ignored, such as the deaths of 70 million Chinese under their socialist government. Or, the lesson taught by Russia standing at 60 million. Maybe the lesson taught by Korean socilists will ring a bell at 3 million. Of course, Cambodia is usually ignored during these “lessons” but, I think 3 million dead would want their voices heard. Of course, we cannot forget the estimated 13 million dead from the national socialists trying to create a utopian society. Yep! You would think we could learn from our past…

          • Old Henry

            John:

            Humanity has not, and never will, learn from the past. If that was possible we would not have become Rome.

            Man is corrupt, weak and sinful and will always end up where we are today.

          • Old Henry

            Jeep:

            You forgot the 50 million (and counting0 dead right here in the U.S. Holocaust.

          • Jeep

            Old Henry, not arguing with you, but my statement was a directed comment on the “virtues” of socialist governments from the 20th century.

          • DaveH

            Tune in next week, when John the Liberal tells us how compassionate he is (with other peoples’ money).

        • Teresa M.

          Isn’t one of our biggest exports oil?

          • Flashy

            I think it’s gasoline.

    • http://personaliberty.com joem

      It seems that the far right has lost control.
      and they are now terribly worried they won’t beable to steal whats left in the country. Imagine if they don’t regain the whitehouse.and lost the house could a large # of them be tried for treason.?

      • Old Henry

        Well Joe, there is more than enough to go around. We would have to run the gallows 24 / 7 fare over the horizon to get things cleaned up.

    • hipshotpercusion

      Those must be some really excellent drugs you are doing.

      • hipshotpercusion

        My comment was for flushy

        • Flashy

          you disagree? Come on Sparky…give your view. Easy to say “no”, difficult to legitimize it isn’t it.

    • ChucK

      What in the Hell are you smoking? Obama wants America on it’s knees.
      He & the puppet master Soros want all of our weapons.
      If you support Obummer you are against America!

    • Old Henry

      Flashy:

      Iran can’t even refine its own gasoline and has to import what they need.

      What Iran, Israel, or the rest do is none of our business. If they attack us here, or try, then we remove them form the planet and so so very quickly.

      Flashy, WE ARE BROKE. We ARE NOT the world’s policeman.

      Do not swallow the BS spewed from the LSM and the DC Scammers.

      Russia. Has nukes. Bobmb, Bomb, Bomb!
      China. Has nukes. Bobmb, Bomb, Bomb!
      India. Has nukes. Bobmb, Bomb, Bomb!
      Pakistan. Has nukes. Bobmb, Bomb, Bomb!
      Israel. Has nukes. Bobmb, Bomb, Bomb!
      DC. Has nukes – and is the ONLY nation to have ever used them – Bobmb, Bomb, Bomb DC!

      • Flashy

        Henry:

        When the Iranians manipulated the hostage crisis to help have their friend Reagan elected, they declared war on America.

        They actively aided and supported the beginning of the war against Middle America. I’m not supporting active open warfare, but i wouldn’t spill a tear for regime change.

        • DaveH
          • Old Henry

            Interesting DaveH, as usual. Just one more example of our government sticking its nose where it had no business being. The more things change….

        • Old Henry

          To the best of my knowledge Flashy, that rumor about the Iranians and Reagan is just that, a rumor – most likely started by the supporters of the clown he replaced.

          Didn’t they say that VP Bush hid in a military plane and few to Iran to set it all up?

          As I stated in another post, give Little Barry his gun and let him go kill the leaders like he killed bin-Laden. If he gets them, we win. If they get him, we win.

    • DaveH

      Flashman says “The author’s surmising that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were being crought to a close because it releases troops for military action against Iran is laughable”.
      No, what’s “laughable”, Flashman, is that you think people actually pay any attention to your fabricated facts and personal attacks when in fact you have almost NO Credibility.
      Challenge me to prove that please, Flashman.

      • Flashy

        DaveH to say that during his campaign, and prior to the campaign, and then subsequent to his election… President Obama knew that he would a) be elected; b) when elected he could shut down the two wars then use the available troops to attack Iran; and c) he made promises to end both wars, bring home the tropps, and cut military spending with the idea he was going to instead do (b)…is the thinking close to paranoid.

        Take the number of troops now in Iraq since the drawdown from the war’s end. Ya really think such is adequate to launch any attack?

        Do you actually think Pres. Obama thought ‘if I ended the Iraqi War, i could turn and use those troops to attack Iran”

        Whoa …. you do need help if that’s your thinking…

        • DaveH

          I would need help if I thought your garble had any redeeming value.

    • Mark in LA

      Flashy – I already told you and yet you are still dumb as a rock. Iranians are NOT Arabs and would be insulted that you would think they are. They speak FARSI. They are far more educated and developed than Arabs and their society goes back thousands of years, unlike Arabs.

      • Flashy

        Mark…I know. Iranians are wont to be called Persians. The main language is Farsi. But the influence they try to wield, and the national cultures they identify with, are the ME and Arab world.

        • Mark in LA

          And you know this nonsense, how? They don’t identify with Arabs, but yes, since they happen to reside in the middle east, they expect to be part of its politics and want to have influence in the area. That still does not make them Arabs or identify with such, it just makes them like any other country – they want to have a say in events that matter to them.

  • Phyllis

    I sure hope this doesn’t happen but I am afraid you are right, Craig.

  • dg

    Your analysis is too simplistic and based upon some erroneous assumptions. Surely, you can do better work than this.

    • FreedomFighter

      Why dont you fill in some of the complicated for us?

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Old Henry

      dg:

      The analysis needs to be kept “simple”. Folks such as yourself love to muddy up the waters – Obfuscate – in order to prevent the main point of what is going on from being seen and taken care of.

      It’s time to cut to the chaffe, and that is exactly what we do here at the Livingston Institute.

  • Noah

    Paul,

    It’s good to read what the American Bolshevik (you) is writing/thinking).
    The so called enemy from within (you).

    Your thinking seems to resemble the leftist the like of Jimmy Carter.

    Dos Vedanya Comrade

  • http://www.easyinvest.co.za peter

    The old saying that” everything, anything and anyone can be bought, it’s just a matter of determining the price ” may be true in many cases, but there are those whose integrity and self respect do not yield or submit. Pity we are unble to find those qualities among the ( elected? )leaders of this world. The question remains – do these people possess any moral fibre or are they so overawed by their ill gotten power, that they are now totally beyond redemption and completely useless. “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do!” Ring a bell anywhere? Anyone? What is to be done? when? where and how?, in order to rectify the mess? Time to find out may be just around the corner and maybe, just maybe, there is’nt an answer.

    • John

      The truth is EVERYBODY can be bought, if not with money, then with power, or simply security for them self and their families.

      • Old Henry

        Yes John, FAMILIES is the key word in your post. A lot of people who have the fortitude to remain forthright and even willing to forego their own well-being can be coerced when their children, grandchildren, wife, sibblings are brought into the discussion.

      • DaveH

        John,
        Don’t project your lack of principles onto the rest of us.

    • Old Henry

      peter:

      I am afraid most – over here – are Karl Rovewhores…

  • James

    It’s about Iran trading oil in currencies other than the dollar.

    • FreedomFighter

      Yes thats part of it, a direct assault on the dollar.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Old Henry

      That’s what happened in Libya James. The rest was just a smoke screen.

  • Art Bass

    I am surprised to see an article like this from Paul Roberts. I thought Bob Livingston was more knowledgeable and wiser. How can you be so blind as not to see the very real danger that the Iranian regime poses to world peace and stability.

    • John

      I applaud Bob to display articles like this, it will cause a healthy discussion (as long as we ignore the perpetual haters and the people with blinders).
      In order to assess a situation, ALL sites of an issue needs to be looked at and considered. If we don’t do that we will be just blind sheep followers and will be led by the noses to our demise.

    • Old Henry

      Art:

      How about the threat that the Washington DC regime poses to world peace? That is FAR greater than the tin pot Iran.

  • Dr. Charles Bailey

    I dont know where you have been, but those who paid attention to the evil in this world learned when an rogue nation like Iran [Germany, Russia] begin spouting hate we had better pay attention and get ready because all hell is about to break loose and the devils has come for breakfast.

    • John

      But how do we know that when 90% of the information we get is biased and filtered? Unless you know several different languages and are willing to read news papers from different parts of the world, watch TV stations from all around the world (yes they are available to everyone with an internet connection and a ROKU box) you will NEVER know the truth. If you don’t do that, you are just acting according to the information and propaganda that you are spoon feed by people with an agenda.

  • http://Yahoo Kimmel M. Craig

    For those of you who think the Iranian regime is no danger to us and the rest of the world and that they aren’t developing nuclear weapons, and that since 1979, their intentions aren’t to kill and destroy all they consider “infidels”, or anyone that doesn’t follow their extremist version of Islam, go on YouTube and check out the movie, IRANIUM!!

  • Jay

    There is little doubt that much of what is said by Israeli and American sources on Iran is misinformation, a repetition of the Dodgy Dossier and the Weapons of Mass Destruction lies that led to the Iraq War in 2003. Iran poses a singular problem to Israel and America, a problem which is not related to the strength of explosive charges. The Islamic Republic of Iran never attacked any other country. Unlike America, they do not base their wealth on the Business of War. THE EIGHTEENTH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD BY PURCHASING POWER PARITY (PPP) IS BASED ON MINING, MANUFACTURING, AND AGRICULTURE, WITH 45% OF THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT’S BUDGET COMING FROM OIL AND NATURAL GAS REVENUES. IN ORDER TO KEEP ITS PROFITABLE OIL BUSINESS GOING, IRAN NEEDS PEACE. Thus, it is unlikely to attack any other country in the future. Yet, American and Israeli journalists keep claiming otherwise in increasingly hysterical tones. Needless to say, THESE TWO ECONOMIES ARE BASED ALMOST SOLELY ON THE BUSINESS OF WAR.

    Interesting as it is, there is more to Western hatred toward Iran than its being a perfect enemy. The moral rhetoric of Iran is what scares the pagan West, not its weapons. If the Western electorate awakens from its long coma and understands the West is still basing itself on the pillage of others, revolution would follow. The fall of the Western countries may take place after their citizens realize their governments are still responsible for worldwide evil. 500 years later, the Conquistadores are still here, their metal helmets having been replaced by hedge funds in the City. Hysterical to delay the end of this pleasant empire, Western media obscures the role of morals (they reduce it to sexual morals, and then dismiss the topic). When was the last time you heard a Westerner official truly assessing “goodness?” American officials talk about the “financing of the war,” as a relevant parameter in the consideration of their next rape of humanity. That’s evil. Unknown to most Westerners, Iranians are invariably concerned about good and evil; this is addressed on official policy papers. They have their own and legitimate view on the topic, in sharp contrast to the pragmatic, golden calf-oriented West. Thus, the Iranian political discourse cannot be accepted by Washington and Tel Aviv. That discourse may melt their golden calf. So, what are a few honest lies, if they lead to a shiny golden calf in Zurich’s underground vaults? AFTER HAVING CLARIFYING THAT, LET’S GO TO WAR.

  • Dark_Archer

    YES AMERICA IS THE GREAT SATAN … you liberals are always blaming America for the worlds problems just like Adolph Hussein obama does

    get this through your thick govt school indoctrinated heads

    ALL MUSLIMS ARE OUR ENEMYS…… especally the black one in the white house

    • Noah

      Slightly harsh, you could have phrased it a bit differently.

      Idiots come in all shades, and political affiliations.

      Especially those neo-nazis spineless cowards

      Happy Valentine Day

    • John

      Why are all Muslims our enemy? Surely not because of the verses in Koran that call for the death of non believers? The bible is full of the same so what is good for Christians should be good for Muslims right?
      Or is it because they….gasp… believe in a different religious fiction then you do? Can’t have competition do you? Remember, just because you believe your god is the only true god does not mean everyone else in this world has to believe the same…fact is, a vast majority of people in this world believe that the christian doctrine is make believe.

  • Tom Cook

    Washington is supporting Israel? Good. At the expense of poor little Americans whose overpriced homes were virtually paid for by American taxpayers through stupid liberal programs to make certain all of the underachievers had big expensive homes which they could never pay for? No, they did not deserve big expensive homes just because they were not as smart or hardworking as others, so the rest of us were expected to buy their homes and feed their spawn, and pay for their healthcare. There are no “poor” in this country–only those less successful, and they are all doing very well at taxpayer expense–they are rich compared to people all over the world. Israel is our only friend in mus land, and well deserves our support.

    • Flashy

      Ahhhh.so the subprime meltdown, the lack of regulations, the lack of regulators, the blind eye to the dangers of the banking system…now it’s all the fault of “liberals”.

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you’re funny !

    • http://personaliberty.com joem

      The meltdown was from both sides of the aisle.
      greed is spelled republican and democrat.

      and the american people the ones who pay the bills don’t pay attention.!
      Isreal is our only allie in the east.
      and illegal immagration is our worst enemy at home.
      we can’t afford to not back Isreal.and we can’t afford to take care of the worlds problem people anylonger. we can’t feed our own children or educate them yet we allow millions of people to enter our country illegally and we feed,house,and educate them.{at the expence of our own children] we need to rid ourselves of both of the polital parties destroying our great country.God bless america.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Teresa M.

        Don’t forget leaving the southern border wide open for terrorists to come through. We will find out how many of them made it across if we attack Iran. May God help us, we are gonna need it. You better start praying to whatever God you serve.

    • Mark in LA

      Maybe you haven’t seen the latest news on the real estate rip off. The government is expecting up to 1 million forclosures to be owned by the government in addition to the 250,000 it already owns. Want to buy a home on the cheap? Well unless you are a billionaire or own a hedge fund – tough luck. They will be selling in bulk with the first reports being a minimum block size of one billion dollars to funds and investors who will rent them out and slowly disburse them (at a profit of course) in order to get them off the market quickly.

      Who ever said the rich pay their fair share to the government doesn’t realize all the programs in place to “help the poor” that are really sops to the rich.

  • http://norman@cates-family.com Norman F.

    Who the heck is this guy? I have never read so much misinformation in one column before! The US has put troops in Kuwait? Yes they have as they are using Kuwait as a staging area for troops leaving Iraq on their way home.

    The US was in a war and involved Vietnam? The North Vietnamese had run the French out of South Vietnam (starting at the end of WWII) and attacked the south with open and secret attacks for years before our involvement, which started with President Eisenhower! Was that yesterday?

    Iran has no intention of attacking Israel? He had to have been asleep for the last five years to have missed the Iranian leaders promising the destruction of Israel and bragging that their new long range rockets could reach the U.S.

    He appears to be an apologist for the world and inclined to disregard verbal attacks on our country by people who have declared themselves to be our enemies.
    I see no help for him and suggest that his column be headed “Humor”.

    • NC

      Norman, actually all Muslim nations have been pledging the destruction of Isreal since 1948! After 60+ years of barking “the destruction of Isreal” I think that their bark is worse than their bite!Those nations know the nuclear armed subs are out there but they don’t know WHERE and don’t seem to be in a great rush to find out!I DON’T BLAME THEM! THEIR SMART PLAY IS TO JUST KEEP BARKING AND HOPEFULLY GET A DEAL.

  • Michael Jay

    Why does this country feel the need to always start wars? Israel says they are worried and want to attack Iran so we prepare for war? Because Iran may create a nuclear weapon that they don’t have any intention of using any more than North Korea has. I think the policies and actions of this government have run so far amouck that most US citizens would wander; who is this government? There is no need to start a war with Iran. Have they threatened us? No. I suspect that these wars are a cover for our personel civil rights being taken away from us and given to the 1 percent who want world control. World domination at the cost of the planet.

  • Tom

    You’ve got to be kidding; “As no one expects Iran to attack Israel”?
    Clearly Iran is the hostile actor in the region and has openly and repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel.
    The best defense is a Great offense and the US must support Israel against the Iranian hatred with money, weapons and as an ally in war if that is what it takes.

    • John

      Israel can defend itself, and if they want to attack others they should shoulder the responsibility for it. Isn’t it time for Israel to grow up and grow some balls? They have to start taking the responsibility for their actions and politics and stop waiting for handouts from the US government and stop expecting the US citizens to sent their sons and daughters to die for a cause that is NOT our cause. Israel acts the perpetual victim and is without honor, acting just like the lowest welfare recipient in the US, hands stretched out for our tax dollars and support.

  • http://Yahoo sophillyjimmy

    I’ve been saying for over a year that if the polls show Obama losing that is when we will go to war with Iran since like this article said, not standing president ever lost an election when a war was going on.

    I am not a fan of Iran and their constant threats to their neighboring countries and even to the U.S. should be addessed but not so Obama could be re-elected but for their bully tactics.

  • jim

    Ole barry had his chance to support those within Iran who wanted overthrow their Very Corrupt and Savage government, but of course he put his Muslim Brotherhood cronies above OUR country and those Iranians who want Freedom! With ole barry, not surprising!

    • Flashy

      How do you know he didn’t and isn’t?

  • mad

    Well, it all becomes so clear. Batten down the hatches and learn to grow that garden….

  • Karolyn

    Leave it to Israel. Iran is their problem, and every “expert” I have heard beieves without a doubt that Israel will hit Iran.

    • Flashy

      No doubt Israel will hit Iran’s nuclear production facilities. No doubt they already have via computer hacking and taking out the electrical grid on a constant basis. And no doubt the ‘accidents” and assassinations of key scientists is connected. If anyone doubts the US and NATO manuvering in the Syrian issue is partly because it completes the noose around Iran they’re in need of correction. Why do you think the terrorist connections have now all come out against Assad…as Assad is going under, Iran is losing the ally, and it knows it had best do something to salvage what it can or it will be only a matter of time. So on the one hand it supports Assad, on the other it tries to place the rqdicals in a position where any post-Assad regime has influential allies in places of power.

      It’s a high stakes chess game being played…and we are darned lucky and fortunate we have Pres. Obama and Sec of State Clinton on our side. So far, a masterful job…masterful.

      • CSS

        Masterful? Obama and Hilary Clinton are two of the most evil beings on this planet. They do not work for America – they work for the British thrown. When or if Obama is reelected maybe you’ll get a chance to see just how masterful they really are when the Queen bee moves to America and your life is spared to wipe her $%%!y old a$$. But maybe you should take your head out of your own so you can truly see and know what’s really going on. That witch and her satanic husband are the ones who have been controlling leaders of America since she was 20 – 100 years ago. We are under British rule and it is their banking system – controlled by the Rothschild’s – who wants Iran destroyed just as they wanted Libya destroyed because gold currencies will collapse their illegal money-scaming system. Once Iran is collapsed the Queen bee will put a crown on Obama’s head and declare him a king of America. Follow the money and you’ll have all the answers you’ll need, and please for every American’s sake, stop calling demons ‘MASTERFUL’.

        • Flashy

          Jumpin’ jehosaphat!

          He’s controlled by the Saudi’s. he’s a muslim. he’s in league with the Commies. he’s controlled by the Chinese. he’s a secret member of the Black Panthers. now he’s controlled by the frippin’ Queen of England. (and i’m sure i missed a few in the list)

          Can you guys at least come up with a single wild outlandish tale so we can concentrate on laughing at you?

        • Karolyn

          The Queen? Move here? OMG! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You’re killin’ me!

  • Charles Lowery

    Do you work for Al Jazeera? You used most of the Islamofascists talking points. You seem to forget Irans nuclear ambitions, and the promise to wipe Israel off the map.

  • Sirian

    There isn’t much doubt as to the direction that Iran is headed. They boldly announce that quite often. If any of you haven’t seen it then you are lacking in information greatly. As to exactly what Obummer will do, politically driven or otherwise, is yet to be seen. But it will not be of any surprise if he does get us involved, deeply, into another war that we most certainly do not need. There are so many different ways of taking out the threatening theocratic regime in Iran without having to sacrifice who knows how many troops. In a nutshell, let the Iranian people do it on their own. They are much more against that regime than many seem to remember. Think back on the last election that that little insane traffic idiot was purposely reelected and the reaction that came from the Iranians themselves. As to what Israel may do is honestly unknown. Panetta’s loud mouth may have been a politically planned ploy that in and of itself is very detrimental to Israel. Or it may have been a diversionary tactic – who knows? But if we were surrounded by extremely radical Islamic idiots that relish killing “infidels” what do you think we would do? Any answers to that question that result in “oh, we should simply talk them out of it, no problem. . . “ then you are so misguided you, anyone I should say, are more of a threat to not only yourself, your family and especially our country then you apparently realize. Cut the head of the snake off and the body will die quite easily.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    The Persian and Arabs have been fighting each other for dominance for over 1200 years. They have, and continue to murder Christians and Jews. What should we do? Nothing? Maybe, it would be wise to become better informed. I find no factual basis to believe anything written in this article. Where is the supporting evidence?

    • Jeep

      This article is full of misinformation…there is no evidence of a “military build up” as described. We have deployed three carriers into the gulf which has never been done before. But, a ground build up? Not happening. Although, I disagree with much that this administration does in reference to foreign policy, aircraft carriers make a big statement, and hopefully will have some effect on Iran’s ambitions.

      • John

        They do make a big statement when they are blown up…and unfortunately Iran has the means of doing so. Only the feeble minded and the person with his head in the sand will believe that this war will be a walk in the park without mass casualties on our side.

        • Jeep

          John, only a feeble minded person would not understand that war is only one method of diplomacy, and hopefully it is the last option. Iran, for all its bluster, knows its own capabilities are limited and not sustainable. Iran prefers to fight proxy wars in Iraq and Afghanistan or through Hamas. Much of the rest is just show. Don’t forget, this president missed a great opportunity to move Iran in a different direction last year…and, did nothing. But, to your point, good luck in the aftermath of attacking (or “blowing up”) an American carrier. Even Iran does not want to suffer the wrath that would ensue. They may be crazy, but they are not stupid.

          • John

            lmao, do you really believe that the Iranians will not destroy any piece of American war machinery they can? You believe that they will not destroy a American carrier because of possible reprisal? Wow, just wow…its war, and what part of war don’t you understand? You believe they will just sit there and let the US bomb them at will because they are afraid of reprisals? lmao, your thinking is the same thinking Rome had when the barbarians attacked, and look what it brought Rome…
            I will go one step farther, i predict that Iran will pull all stops and use its 20% enriched Uranium and produce dirty bombs that will be sent to Israel together with the existing biological and chemical weapons Iran has. Moreover, I predict that once we attack, there will be the release of biological agents within US cities and millions will die. Remember, they are fanatics, they don’t care about our reprisal and any consequences just as kamikaze pilots in WW-II did not care about what happened to them, they will do whatever damage they can do. There is a reason they found prayer rugs of Iranian design along the Mexico / US border. Wanna bet, the enemy is already within. Moreover, remember, a lot of Iranians, especially from the North-East of Iran do NOT look like Arabs and thus will not be subject to profiling in this country.

  • BigBadJohn

    I truly do not understand why the right wing is so concerned that Obama may have attack or respond to an Iranian threat.

    GWB declared Iran one of the “Axis of evil” and most of you would have supported him invading Iran. But now that Obama is president, the only reason he would invade Iran is for his own evil purposes???

    Is Iran evil or is it not? I would argue that Obama is following Bush’s lead. Not a good thing, but he is no worse than Bush was.

    • Chris Schilke

      BigBadJohn, Iran is exactly as Bush portrayed it. And, in case you missed something or I did, it doesn’t seem to me that Bush put us at war with Iran, at least not militarily. But, would he have? Sure if our interests as a nation were somehow put at jeopardy. I’m not saying it would have been right but, it would have been.

  • Tazio2013

    JUDGE NAPOLITANO FIRED AFTER THIS BROADCAST OF FREEDOM WATCH

    Date: Tuesday, 14-Feb-2012 04:54:57
    WOW!!!! What a bombshell.

    This is an interview of former CIA agent Michael Scheuer conducted by Judge Napolitano, and many believe this is the reason why FOX (FAUX news) fired the Judge. After you hear what Sheuer has to say about the coming war in Iran you will see why.

    Also, at 3:50 the voice heard is Dr. Alan Sabrosky former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College.

    The truth is slowly coming out. People are beginning to realize just how badly they have been fooled. Please circulate before this video is removed from YOUTube. The nation you save may be your own!

    Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 9:59 PM
    Subject: WHY THE JUDGE WAS FIRED

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW6mwMYhSPs&feature=related

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    Thomas Jefferson

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    • Chris Schilke

      Tazio2013, I watched that video you posted and I don’t agree that Israel was the architect of 911. Sure, I would think that Israeli leaders would be for an outright war led by the US against Israel’s enemies but, that’s not proof they were behind 911. Could they have been? Sure they could have. All kinds of theories abound about who were the real architects. It happened and if Israel is to blamed they will suffer for it. For ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction and like ripples on a pond those things we do will come back to visit us. Twisted thinking reaps twisted results. Have you ever tried to lie your way out of something only to have to make up new lies to cover the old ones. Whoever is really guilty will suffer.

      • John

        Call me crazy, but i personally believe that 9/11 is the result of a deal between Saudi Arabia and Bush/ Cheney, and in exchange Bush got rid of Saddam. Look at some facts, Bin Laden and the perpetrators of 9/11 all where Saudi Muslims. There is now way bin Laden did what he did without the support of Saudi Arabia. Look at Bush’s behavior and the fact that he let the Saudi royalty and members the Bin Laden family leave the US the day after 9/11.
        Nope, I.m.H.o. 9/11 was an inside Job, farmed out to the residential boggy man Osama bin Laden.

  • Leee

    How did this whiney liberal get a post here?

    • John

      In order to make an informed decision about an issue, one has to look at ALL viewpoints, otherwise you can’t see the truth because of all your blinders.

    • Chris Schilke

      Good question Leee.

  • Ted

    Gasoline prices are already headed for $4.00. This time a war won’t help the sitting president – the resulting oil price hike and economic collapse will sink him.

    • John

      Unless Saudi Arabia is suppressing any natural hike…by upping the output.

  • DaveH

    Very good, Paul Craig Roberts. You’ve given me a lot of things to think about.

    • Flashy

      “You’ve given me a lot of things to think about.’

      That would be a first. Careful you don’t overdo it … you might hurt yourself

      • DaveH

        Seek help, Flashman.
        You had best start working on your new ID. Make sure you change your ISP also, so Bob can’t easily detect your true identity — whatever that is. Do you even know?
        http://www.personalliberty.com/asset-and-wealth-protection/preserving-wealth/what-now/#comment-439910

        • Flashy

          DaveH…i will address this one last time. Mr. Livingston erred in that. I was suspended not because of that, but rather because of the heated language I used upon being accused of doing that. Note in that list there were Right wing, TP advocates etc. I’m certain the others on that list continued to post subsequent to my suspension. Of course, you wouldn’t want that to be disclosed would you.

          OK? got that?

          • DaveH

            Duh, since you don’t have any credibility, Flashman, could you show me where Bob Livingston admitted to erring about your multiple personalities?
            Ask me to prove you have no credibility, Flashman.

  • Jack Powers

    Paul Craig Roberts; a student of Karl Marx, are you? You’re certainly anti-American! I too “came up” during the cold-war, and did my part on behalf of my country, but unlike yourself, I did my part in the proverbial trenches. Some of the things which I did on behalf of the United States Of America, I didn’t necessarily like, but I took an oath to the U.S. Constitution, and stand by that oath till this day! I believe that many of you “politico’s” have no clue what that oath is about and so will sell-out YOUR REPUBLIC because it isn’t always “just and pure.” You served with Nixon, as did Kissinger and we all know what became of these two scumbags: Nixon committed treason and fraud! Henry IS A OUT-OF-THE-CLOSET COMMUNIST! Your readers are not ALL leftists. I will call you to task, and stand in front of you on any “high noon!”
    Jack Powers for,
    The Sons Of Liberty

  • Mark in LA

    Interesting comment:

    People who have come of age after the collapse of the Soviet Union don’t understand the Cold War era.

    I doubt the people who lived through the Cold War understood the Cold War. We were lied to by the government every step of the way to keep us in a state of perpetual fear of our own shadows. Every miniscule pipsqueak country was a “threat to our way of life” no matter where they were on the globe if they weren’t in the pay of Washington. This lead to trillions wasted and thousands of men losing their lives or having those lives destroyed via maiming, mental illness, and drug abuse.

    • DaveH

      It’s all about whatever feathers the Leaders’ nests best at the expense of the rest of us.
      To put it simply — they are Parasites.

  • Jim

    What don’t you get that this nation needs to be stopped?
    I now have to rethink my vote for Ron and that will be no easy feat considering there really is no other Conservative in the running.
    Oh well at least there is Ben with all the news thats fit to be funny!

    “For those who have fought for it freedom has a sweet taste the protected will never know”

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    The autocrats run America….they are hidden behind both Democrat and Republican clothing. Power is a drug and the ruling class is very high.

    History shows that when a society is in the process of disintegrating and they (the ruling class) realize the distractions are not working…war is soon to follow.

    For you Obumer lovers, the issue is not Obumer attacking Iran, it is the vacationer-in-chief getting four more years to completely ruin us. If you all think this fake is the answer, hope you enjoy your change when you can’t buy a loaf of bread for $100 bucks! No country has debased it’s currency and avoided hyper-inflation….what the hell makes Obumer and the Fed stooge think they can rewrite the rules of finance.

    And for you all who want to make everything a left versus right argument, wake up….we are in this together and the ship is sinking fast!

    • Sirian

      PttP,
      There are so many that absolutely refuse to look, let alone see. They are so hypnotized by the “powers that be” that it is basically the same as they have permanent blinders installed. Is it not unusual that people of this sort are the first to be eliminated after the goal has been reached? That is why, regrettably, it is a waste of time and effort to break them free – they’re to far gone already.

      • DaveH

        Don’t give up, Sirian. Thirty years ago when I only had the tool of word of mouth, many of my friends thought I was a nut (a Libertarian nut). Now, many of them have fully awakened. All it takes is a seed.

        • Sirian

          Oh I understand DaveH, honestly I do. I sure won’t give up on it – no way. But it seems as though you can try and try and try and they still either laugh or fire back quite forcefully. Once that happens, well, it is usually best to withdraw and regroup, so to speak. I’m glad you’ve got some of yours turned the right direction but so far I haven’t been quite as fortunate. Probably will in the not so distant future but just not quite yet.

          • DaveH

            If you could get them to read “The Real Lincoln” and/or “Lincoln Unmasked”, it would go a long way towards waking them from their Propagandized stupors.
            I was pissed when I realized I had been so heavily Propagandized.
            Good Governments don’t mislead their citizens from the Truth.

    • Chris Schilke

      PttP, You’re exactly right, there is no hope for us in this current political arena. Our founding fathers knew that governments follow a cycle. George Washington is credited with likening government to a fire and how it can get out of control. The only way to put out a fire is to remove it’s fuel, air or heat. The people will have to shut off the fuel as that’s where it comes from but, let’s hope that whatever takes this governments place will be built on the same grounds as our first was or we’ll have an oligarchy or a dictatorship for a government. However, in the short term I’m a pessimist and feel that we’ll all be working for some kind of a dictatorship but, in the long run I believe that we’ll see this turned around and that power will be returned to the people. Power for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness under the rule of law and not the changing whims of the mob and few.

  • http://bobLivingston Power to the People

    Mark in LA, you hit it out of the park….good post!

  • Jerry

    What a tainted & dubious article written by Paul Craig Roberts…!

    Iran’s leadership is, as we all know, in a very sickening way, defiant & openly calling for the open destruction of Israel, as well as Americans…

    It’s “sad” that a few dumb people can write & post articles on the internet-making their fiction appear as truth!

    Anti-American & anti-Israel sentiment & propaganda is what this above article is ALL about.

    Mr. Roberts who wrote the article is a snake!

    • DaveH

      And you, Jerry, are a Propagandized Fool. There is no other country in the world that comes remotely close to the United States level of militaristic hegemony. Evil is right in front of your face, and you refuse to acknowledge it.

      • Jim

        Funny we thought the same thing about Vietnam. We vets know what happens when you liberals are in charge!

        “For those who have fought for it freedom has a sweet taste the protected will never know”

        • DaveH

          Nobody’s fighting for my Freedom, Jim. I’m fighting to keep people like you from taking it from me.
          Are you a God-Fearing man? Because I’d like to know how you rationalize our soldiers killing people in other countries who have in no way attacked the United States? Does your Bible’s Ten Commandments have a qualifier behind “Thou Shalt Not Kill” stating “but it’s okay if you call it a War or a Military Action”?

        • Karolyn

          What freedom was gained in Vietnam? Just another war fought for nothing!

      • Flashy

        DaveH…I believe you would find dispute with your statement in both China and Russia. And most likely within the close confines of the Pentagon as well.

        Bush/Cheney drained us to but a shell of what we were. We can impact, but thanks to the Neo Cons and the corrupt Bush/Cheney regime, we are no longer, at this time, able to control then dictate 9which is what “military hegemony” is about)

        • DaveH

          Do either of them have over 700 military bases overseas, like the US does?

          • Flashy

            You mean like the Ammunition Depot Indian Island which currently has 12 military personnel assigned to it?

            Even the Pentagon brass admits we no longer can fight a two ocean war.

            Our forces are being built not for holding land. Rather they are being reformed for quick surgical strikes, quick in and out. Sorta like your love life.

          • DaveH

            Equivocation and Personal Attacks, something we’ve all come to expect from the useless Troll Flashman.

      • Jeep

        DaveH, you know I love you my brother. So, let’s take a walk down memory lane. Now, before we start I understand that some will dispute my over-simplfication of events, so don’t even try it. Okay?

        Alrighty then…since Vietnam we invaded Grenada, of course we could have let the Cubans finish that runway…

        Then, we went to Panama and ousted Noriega who refused to step down after being defeated in free elections. Maybe you could argue this one…but, at least Panama is close to home.

        Next we went on to the Balkans. We could have allowed the genocide the Serbs were perpetuating on the Albanians to continue, of course it threatened to spill over into Macedonia, Montenegro and beyond into unstable regions of the former Soviet Union. But, perhaps this was none of our business…hmmm…

        In 1991, we launched a war effort with a coalition of 32 nations to push the Iraqi army out of Kuwait. Of course, we could have let the rape, murder and pillage of thousands of Kuwaities continue (so much for the idiots who say we always kill “brown people”), and then there was the also the question of oil passing through the gulf.

        Finally, there was the whole Iraq and Afghanistan thing. While we could argue that Iraq (which DID have WMDs, and WAS supporting and training terrorists) was a war for another time…the Taliban take over of Afghanistan and use as a staging base for terrorism was never in doubt. And, there is no arguing that allowing this to continue to be so was certainly harmful to American interests both at home and abroad. Unless you consider that the numerous terrorist attacks against Americans both at home and overseas is acceptable.

        So, while I may seem to have a weak argument for American imperialism being the norm, keep in mind that America does not take ground and keep it. The only ground we have evre asked for after a conflict is ground to bury our dead.

        • Flashy

          Since 1980….I do not recall any military action initiated under a Democratic president which cost us US lives.

          Nope…I cannot recall a one. Now Republican administrations….10′s of thousands.

        • Mark in LA

          Are you that ignorant that you still believe there was “genocide” in the Balkans? Even the UN says it wasn’t so. It was a case of terrorism by the KLA on Serbian police and a reaction by Serbia and the KLA played us like a fiddle backed by idiotic news sources (especially Jewish neocon) all hysterical about a new genocide and possibly hoping that by favoring Albanian Muslims over Orthodox Christian Serbs (allies in WWII) that the Arabs would chalk up one for Israel.

          http://www.wnd.com/2008/01/45527/

          • Flashy

            At the time, my daughter befriended at school two young ladies who came from Bosnia and escaped when the raping, pillaging, burning and massacres were occurring. We became very close friends with one of the families.

            If anything, what we were receiving as news as to the bloodshed in Bosnia was understated.

          • DaveH

            Good post, Mark.
            There was a movie called “Savior” starring Dennis Quaid, that was actually quite realistic as movies go.
            The truth is that both sides, prior to US/UN involvement were involved in brutal exchanges, and the US, as usual, butted its nosy nose into some other country’s business.

          • Mark in LA

            Yeah and the Iraqi’s did the same thing in Kuwait – except that was lie as well.

  • bill

    I don’t know but I believe the political appointees that are the Joint Chiefs will have their own Nuremberg trials for attacking another country without specific authorization from Congress ie “Declaration of war” The excuse of “We were only following orders didn’t work out well for the Nazis and I don’t think it will work out well for our military either especially with a non vetted CIC.
    So go ahead and have your own way and we’ll see how it works out for you ?

  • kodster

    No, no war on Iran; however, look for Damascus (Syria) to be wiped off the face of the earth in the next confrontation that the US is involved in. For those of you who are TRUE believers in Christ Jesus, you know this to be true, for His Word tells us so. Just as Ezekiel 37 became fulfilled on May 14, 1948 (http://youtu.be/FF0qJdFIvcM ), Isaiah 17 is on the verge of being fulfilled.

    • John

      And if there is ever an accidental release of an extreme viral decease from one of the US biological weapons labs, people will say that the prophecies in Stephen Kings “The Stand” are being fulfilled….that book just as the bible is pure fiction with some historic background mixed in.

      • DaveH

        Yet another Liberal fabricated fact.

  • C. Kenneth Rowe

    The discussion in this article and the indicated “free reports” all sounds good-but seem out of touch with the current market’s significant investment risk-especially for a retired senior with little money and little time for any appreciable status improvement.
    Indexed annuities appear to be the “safest” bet to me. Other advice?

    • DaveH

      Protect your cash savings from the coming inflation. That is currently the biggest threat to those on fixed incomes.

      • Flashy

        8%. no higher than 9% and that’s in about three years

        • DaveH

          For those who know Flashman’s credibility is no better than that of the Government:
          http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

          That’s the past. With the True Money Supply more than doubling in the last 10 years (and climbing rapidly), the worst is yet to come. See chart in next comment.

          • DaveH
          • Flashy

            Mises …yawn. Again with the hocus pocus voodoo economics? DaveH…you must pick that as your source because you somehow think it makes you look intelligent. LOL …

          • DaveH

            No, Flashman. Even though I’m an honest person, unlike yourself, I produce references so people can learn from experts instead of listening to your useless and inane comments.
            Most of the readers know by now that you have no credibility, so your slander is wasted on them.

          • DaveH

            And Flashman, I’ve told you this before but obviously you’re not bright enough to catch on. By accusing me of being unintelligent, you make yourself look even worse than you are (if that’s even possible) since I regularly expose you for the Liar and generally unprincipled guy that you are.

  • Joe Williams

    I can’t understand your viewpoint on this.If Iran,our mortal enemy,who is supported by the other world powers who want to see America’s destruction,succeeds in acquiring nuclear weapons,there WILL be a nuclear war in the middle east that is likely to spread around the world.Our only choice is to stop them now or millions will die.Iran also menetarily supports terrorists around the world,e.g. the Taliban,Hezbollah,etc. who’s only desire is to kill Americans and Israelis. I don’t know if you just hate Jews or what[no i'm not Jewish] But you are WAY off base on this subject.

    • DaveH

      Were you not around 50 years ago when the Soviet Union was sure to Nuke us? To keep their Power, Leaders must keep the citizens in a constant state of fear, even if they have to produce the objects of fear themselves.
      Read this Free online book (thank you Mises Institute), to gain clarity on the great lengths they will go to mislead the citizens:
      http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

    • John

      Did you ever asked yourself why Iran is our “mortal enemy”, or why you believe it is?

  • Neveragain

    I mean that in its purest sense. What is the point of all this pumping up of war against Iran? They are no danger to the US. A small fish in a large pond. IF we want to do something there should be missles surrounding Russia and China which have much more powerful weapons pointed directly at us. It is Vietnam all over again

  • Mike

    Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories are fine for dime-store novels but hardly worthwhile in a serious discussion of Middle East politics. If you would care to examine recent history, Israel has been threatened and then attached by its neighbors repeatedly (48, 67, & 73). So the repeated threats by Iran can hardly be taken lightly. The Saudi’s deem the Iranian threat so serious that they are rumored to have given Israel access to their air space. If you really want to do serious investigative journalism, why don’t you do a piece on why the US is spending our national treasure on putting the Muslim Brotherhood (aka Al Qaeda) in power in North Africa and the Middle East?

    • John

      Israel can take care of itself, they do not need american blood be shed for their policies.
      If the US ever takes a stand and say…NO American blood or support…
      Then you will find that Israels policy will change from one of aggression to one of getting along with others. If you believe that those wars came without Israel provocation then you really have your head in the sand. Do your research and read what Israeli prime ministers have said about this…the library of congress is a great tool if one wants to find the truth.

    • Mark in LA

      By advocating the use of American lives and treasure for the protection of Israel, you do no good in combating anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

  • Dave

    DaveH says:
    February 14, 2012 at 9:59 am
    Do you Liberals realize how Ignorant your constant personal attacks, ridicule, and other adolescent manipulative techniques make you look?
    ———————

    But yet Conservatives like you and FF do the exact same thing and somehow its ok.

    Gotcha….

    Sorry if you lack the brain power to generate a sense of humor.

    • DaveH

      “Gotcha” my fanny. Show me where I have personally attacked anybody without them drawing First Blood?
      And keep in mind that your particular comments I was addressing were almost purely manipulative techniques instead of honest discussions.

      • DaveH

        Including your current comment — “Sorry if you lack the brain power to generate a sense of humor”.
        What are you, in Eighth Grade? My twelve year old grandson makes more cogent arguments.

        • Dave

          (offensive comment removed)

    • FreedomFighter

      I make no bones:

      I dont like SOCIALIST COMMIES, they want to take my freedom, enslave my children, change my way of life to that of a slave to a totalitarian goverment run by eugenics lunatics.

      You dont like being called a COMMUNIST?

      Change your position, untill then your Commi Scum bags to me.

      If you need to ban me – I accept and understand.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Dave

        Please look up the terms socialist and communist and learn. To make a comment like the one you just did just serves to show off your ignorance.

        • FreedomFighter

          You can lookup “socialist/communist scumbags”

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

  • Steve E St. Louis

    We gotta fight these Iranian Bastards. Quit being such [offensive word removed] liberals! No I dont like war, but thank God we fought some of them or we would not have a Country. Let us kill these mothers and keep Israelis and Americans safe. Grow some some balls and some brains for Christ sakes!

    • Dave

      I thought we did not have any money? Such mixed messages from the right.

    • Karolyn

      War solves nothing and only precipitates more problems.

    • DaveH

      Why don’t you do that, Steve, with your Own money and body?
      If you want to be the Aggressor, don’t expect others to pay for your Aggression.

  • Buddy

    Seems that these comments are not what a mature person could get much substance by reading. Too may trolls. Although the main essay is usually of interest, there are better uses for my time than reading a lot of nonsensical comments.

    • DaveH

      That’s what they want, Buddy. Don’t let them win.

  • CP

    Neveragain, Iran may be a rather small fish,(envision school of piranha) in a rather large pond, but all those teeth and jaws do a very credible job of disassembling a human carcass rather quickly. Iran is of the mentality that if you aren’t me, you have no right to exist, more so than many other of the mideastern countries. You noticed I did NOT say my friend, as these people do not believe in freindship. You are either one with them or you are enemy, plain, pure, and simple, and we most definitely are NOT “of” the Iranian mindset.

    • DaveH

      Has Iran attacked the United States?

      • Flashy

        1980

        • DaveH

          Funny, I must have missed the air-raid sirens.
          I said attacked the United States. You know as in the 50 states? Or 57 if you are an Obamanite.

          • Flashy

            1980. That was when the direct attacks on the American Middle Class began. And Iran manipulated the election for that to occur. The free birthday cake was on top of the other rewards.

          • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Flashy,

            The direct attack on the American middle class began in 1913 and continues to this day. It’s shrinking and will soon be gone.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

        • Mark in LA

          Flashy, Carter’s big blunder was not paying attention to the CIA and closing the embassy in Tehran well in advance of Khomeni’s return. He was warned well in advance that the Shaw was soon to be history but probably underestimated the level of hatred that the people would have toward the US.

      • John

        Never, unlike the US who in the 50s deposed of the democratic elected president and installed a dictator that was responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of Iranians…all so the US and British oil corporations could get their hands on Iranian oil. The Iranian revolution was a direct response to this, and ever since then, the US has done its darnest to get its hands back onto Iranian oil.

  • CP

    Neveragain, I missed that comment about another Nam, and son, I pray to God you aren’t a politician if we do go to war with Iran, or it WILL be another Nam. Politicians are good at getting wars started, but pee poor at fighting them or letting them be fought and won.

    • Flashy

      CP…having lived through the draft lottery and the “Nam years, i never thought back then i would be one to advocate for the draft to be reinstated. However, given the Iraqi War and the lackadasical attitude of the American people as we were lid to to invade and then during that war, I find myself being a staunch advocate to bring it back.

      Knowing your son or daughter, or if you are young…you and your friends…are right there directly impacted by decisions of war, I think there’d be a whole new level of heightened awareness.

      No exemptions. Coming out of HS you have a choice. Two years in the military, or three in a civilian corps much like the CCC. And in return for min. wages, afterwards, a partially subsidized college or trade school for a period equal to the period served.

      • DaveH

        It does not surprise me, given you lack of integrity, that you would advocate the greatest form of slavery there is — compelling young people to give up their lives for a cause they don’t believe in.

      • Jay

        Flashy, you can stick your proposal where the sun don’t shine! Why should you, me, or anyone else, for that matter, be subjected to fighting a war, or any war, perpetrated by the west; in particular, under the bogus notion of a fantom, and contrived boogey-man, when we can all perceive that the true motivation of the western-military-complex, and its axis, is total and absolute, invasion and control, stimulated and kept energized by insane, greed and corruption. The hell with them, and the hell with you, if you are so like-minded. But don’t let anything stop you; you go ahead and join. Go ahead, and go fight, and give-up your life, for something and someone, you barely know, and scarcely understand! Good riddance…

        • Flashy

          Jay…you make my point. Because any such move would be raised to the highest level of scrutiny by the populace. They would then have every reason to be aware and make the voice heard. That and there just may be a few sons and daughters of Congress in the mix. And that would also make for caution.

          If Vietnam was fought by an all volunter force as we have today, it would still be going on.

          you may be too young to remember ‘Nam…but there were a lot of young men and women (and mothers and fathers) who demonstrated because they were liable for the draft and shipped out. It certainly created a heightened awareness when you realized you were in the lottery and if you ‘won”, you were eight weeks away from being in Saigon.

          As i said…you made my point.

          • Mark in LA

            No Flashy he didn’t make your point. The idea of having the draft is so the public can’t be goaded and lied into another unnecessary war. However, a draft won’t stop it. It didn’t stop Vietnam from happening even after the waste of lives in Korea and it won’t stop gutless politicians from inventing another story and letting a war in Iran happen as long as they have a safe district. How many in Congress stood up and demanded the real truth about Iraq? Anybody with a room temperature IQ could see that Colin Powell was holding an empty bag at the UN yet they voted for Iraq anyway – they had their necessary cover story.

          • Flashy

            It did indeed become a prime reason we got out of ‘Nam. Ever smell tear gas? Do you think if there was the low amount of social unrest we have today with an unpopular war (Iraq and Afghanistan), ‘Nam would have ended when it did, or would it have gone on even longer?

          • Jay

            Flashy, you’re hopeless!

  • Rex Greene

    So what do we want to do? Wait on Iran to develop their nuclear weapons? Wait on Russia and China to align with Iran? Americans don’t need bailouts. Learn to live on less and save instead of letting media and advertisers tell you how to live. To me this another example of Americans lack of resolve.

  • http://tiascafes@yahoo.com Rachael Gregory

    Good article.

  • Bob Marshall

    To find out truth as to why and how long the U.S. have been invading other countries visit http://www.addictedtowar.com and read the free book with illustrations. Attacking Iran and Syria will be done by using the same policies and tactics used in the past.Only the countries involved changes.Millions of Americans live in fear and this allows Washington to carry out it policies against weak countries which make corporate America who make materials and weapons for war rich and the industrial military complex continue to grow in power and size.

    • Steve E St. Louis

      No thanks. Probably writty by a Liberal.

      • DaveH

        There are two classes of Liberals — Those who advocate the Welfare State, and those who advocate the Warfare State. They both worship at the altar of Big Government, and they both ignore the Constitution.

        • Dave

          I know Dave H… Everything wrong with the world is all liberals fault. Do you have a new record? This one is broken.

          • FreedomFighter
          • Flashy

            Give him time to search Mises for a link with a catchy name (he won’t read the article linked to so will have no idea what it says, and count on you not reading it either)

          • DaveH

            Actually, Dave, just about everything is.

        • Karolyn

          Dave – I have neve known any liberals who advocated for war. And the older liberals I know these days do not advocate for a welfare state.

          • Deerinwater

            Don’t confuse him Karolyn, DaveH enjoys his bleak and limited understanding of the world and the nature of man.

            He’s got everybody in their “proper box” so don’t be trying to escape to somewhere else! He knows where everybody belongs.

            Remember Col. Custer in the movie “Little Big Man”. He only had to lay eyes on a man to tell what he was. “You are a Mule Skinner”, he told Dusten Hoffman. So Hoffman became a Mule Skinner.

            I’ve been reading “End of the Fed” by Ron Paul, I found it in a pile of books at a local discount outlet along with Sara Palin book for only $3.00. The internet has it listed for $27.50 so it was a good buy.

            And a great read, I just wish that DaveH displayed 1/10th of the humility that Ron Paul show us as he addresses very serious issues in a direct and forthcoming way.

            DaveH has become a vengeful disciple of Ron Paul and somehow thinks he’s one of the few that really gets the message and everyone else deserving his scorn. well? ~ there is little I can do about that, his obsession has consumed what was once probably a nice guy.

            I’m just glad that Ron Paul has managed to put a lid on this “fever” and presents himself well as he works so hard to get his message out.

            I was disappointed to find out RON PAUL thinks government has dominion over a woman’s uterus, considering he champions limited government and personal freedom, I find that somewhat conflicting. But other then that, I really like Ron Paul as well.

            Is that a deal breaker? It depend on the “package” and what realistically offered. Ron Pauls plans will take more the 8 years to implement to avoid great upheaval and displacement. he will be offered great opposition on the Hill just like “44″ He can only get these ideas and changes started and it will be left for someone else to finish.

          • DaveH

            Is there a learning disability, Karolyn?
            I’ve stated many times that in my book Liberals are the people who advocate Big Unconstitutional Government, and Conservatives are the people who advocate Small Constitutional Government.
            So yes, Deer, you’re in the Liberal box. Don’t worry, I put air holes in it so you can get oxygen to your brain, not that I expect that to do you much good.

          • DaveH

            And Deer, I give respect to the people who deserve respect. You don’t.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Steve E St. Louis,

        Wouldn’t want to step outside our paradigm, would we? I understand it’s very frightening out there.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • Steve E St. Louis

          More frighting than you could ever imagine!

  • Skyraider6

    I see we have some people that should move to the middle east, where they can throw rocks. semper fi

  • Henry Ledbetter

    “It will rain fire on Magog” (Russia) “and those that dwell carelessly on the Isles or coastlands.” Probably the US and maybe others. Ezek. 39:6 Gods Word is always true. SEEK THE LORD WHILE HE MAY BE FOUND is my advice to all..

    • John

      Yeah and the world ended last year…..

  • ranger hall

    MR. Roberts. VERY GOOD You hit the nail on the Head. If we Cant buy the Leaders of other Countries, We call them TERRIORISTS.
    WE BOUGHT THE NORTHERN ALLIANCE IN AFGANISTAN, WE BOUGHT THE KURDS IN IRAQ. MILLIONS and MILLIONS To Call these People Friends. You would think that People Could FIGHT for their own FREEDOM, With out having to be Paid. BUT its always been like this.
    ALL the Politicians have done Since WW1 is Protect ISRAEL, Our Base in Saudi Arabia, Our Navy, KEEPINg them Armed MORE and BETTER than the Arab States.And the Rest of the time Keeping the Arab Countries Seperated.WE CANNOT ALLOW Arabs to Be in Control of an Arab Country that IS 100% Arab. Daddy B could not buy S Hussian, Bin Laden was a THREAT to The Royal Family, Which threatend our base in Saudi Arabia.
    WISH People would study History Better.WW1,WW2 The REAL REASONS.
    HE who CONTROLS the MONEY,FOOD, WATER. CONTROLS THE WORLD.

  • JEFF

    WELL FROM THE TONE OF THIS “STORY” YOU HATE AMERICA AND EVERYTHING THAT IT STANDS FOR. YOUR BUDDY IS IN THE OVAL OFFICE CALLING THE SHOTS SO WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT. GROW UP IT’S A WILD AND WOOLY WORLD OUT THERE. AND SOME PEOPLE ARE DOING MORE THAN JUST COMPLAINING AND WHINNING ABOUT THE WORLD’S POLICEMAN AND WHAT HAS TO BE DONE. IRAN WILL BE DESTROYED EITHER BY THE USA OR BY ISREAL BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY DANGEROUS AND VERY UNPREDICTABLE. YOUR TYPE OF PEOPLE WOULD BE THE FIRST IN LINE TO WHINE ABOUT AN ATTACK ON THE USA AND HOW THE GOVERNMENT DIDN’T PREVENT IT.WHEN THE GROWN UPS TAKE OVER IN NOVEMBER 2012 AND ARE SWORN IN JANUARY 2013 THAN WE WILL SEE THE END OF IRAN AND ALL THERE LITTLE PROXYS AROUND THE WORLD IN ONE QUICK AND DEVASTATING BLOW. DEATH TO THE STONE AGE MUSLIMS. THE TAZMAN

  • ranger hall

    PEOPLE, IRAN is NOT a Danger to the USA.AFGANISTAN WAS not a Danger to the USA, IRAQ WAS not a Danger to the USA,VIETNAM WAS not a Danger to the USA Just ask all the American CORPORATIONS and Others that have been moving into Vietnam since 1975. KOREA is not a Danger to the USA. LET Korea become one Country.
    Wonder How the USA would be IF we were still seperated NORTH and SOUTH. GRANADA, PANAMA, WAS no Danger to the USA.
    IRAN,SYRIA,LEBANON Are non conforming Arab Countries SO WE must MAKE them Conform to us.
    ISRAEL has always been a country ruled by Leaders that MURDERS any one that gets in there way,MEN,WOMEN and CHILDREN And they get away with it, BEEN doing this for HUNDREDS OF YEARS IN the Name of GOD. Treat the ARABS with the Same HUMANITY and respect, BUT thats not Possible.
    People that want a WAR with Iran,Syria. YOU dont need to be Brainwashed YOU already ARE.
    COLLATERAL DAMAGE WAS Designed by the JEWS, The USA Has Adopted this Method.WE used it quite well in VIETNAM.IRAQ and AFGANISTAN.
    And for some of you People out there, NO GOD is not going to help you, JUST Look back on History.

    • Jim

      COLLATERAL DAMAGE WAS Designed by the JEWS?
      You sir are an idiot. I suppose they also made up the holocaust also?

      “For those who have fought for it freedom has a sweet taste the protected will never know”

      • DaveH

        Who is fighting for our Freedom? The only people I see attacking our Freedom are the same ones claiming to be fighting for it.

  • Michael Matuzeski

    That is why the greatest threat facing the world today is the marriage between religious fanaticism and the weapons of mass destruction. I’m surprised you can’t see this is happening before our eyes!! You might want to look at the bigger picture before us. Sure we should care about people who have lost their homes. Israel is our Allie, where is your support? We live in a spiritual war.ware this is the bigger picture. Over seventy years ago, Winston Churchill lamented what he called the “confirmed unteachability of mankind,” the unfortunate habit of civilized societies to sleep until danger nearly overtakes them.

    Walk with the” KING ” [Jesus Christ]today and be a Blessing,

    mike

    • John

      Well, you need to get with the 21st century, WMDs and religious fanaticism is married together since the bomb in Hiroshima… The US, a formerly moderate christian nation is on its way to be overcome by religious fanatics, Pakistanis are moderates that are overcome by fanatics, the same is true in some way in India, Russia, China, and to some extent Europe.In Iran and In Israel WMDs are already in the hands of fanatics. I fear that in the end, religious division and fanaticism will destroy most of man kind. I just hope the survivors will rebuild humanity without religious fanaticism and superstition.

      • Chris Schilke

        John, the world will always be a victim of religious fanaticism. Those people who sacrificed children for the sake of a guaranteed harvest are just an example of this. Not all faiths or beliefs are bad though. It was the faith of some of those who founded this country that led them to give us the freedoms, no matter how many of them are vanishing today, through the rule of law. No, that law wasn’t perfect but, it is better than anything else in the world.

  • Dave

    DaveH says:
    February 14, 2012 at 10:52 am
    Are you kidding me, Dave? I put up a link. You’ll have to do the rest of the work yourself. I’m not your nanny.
    What references have you provided? Nada.

    ————–

    Your link has nothing and you have nothing. You are an ideolog. A link to Yahoo with opinion pieces about how awful the Obama admin is is not a source.

    You can’t give me a real law proposed because there isn’t one. Now go back to your bomb shelter and leave the discussion to the adult.

    • Dave

      This is concerning yours and FF’s nonsense about how Obama has the incidious plan to take oll of your guns BTW.

      Conservatives are the most scared people on the planet. The corporatists love you people.

      • DaveH

        You’re not even intelligent enough to post to the correct link. You don’t impress me.

    • DaveH
    • DaveH

      Here’s more, but no doubt it will not sway the Zealot Dave who only believes what he wants to believe:
      http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_obama.html

      I can’t even imagine what drives some people to be purposely Ignorant.

      • Dave

        Again Dave H,

        You have posted NOTHING that shows ANY law the Obama administration has put forth that takes away your guns. Either link you gave.

        Put forth an actual law or STFU.

        • DaveH

          You can fool yourself, Dave, but you can’t fool the other readers.
          Surprise, Surprise, Dave the Liberal Zealot uses profanity. What a loser.

      • JeffH

        …or this…Obama’s Secret Plan To Destroy The Second Amendment By 2016
        http://www.nrapublications.org/index.php/11920/obamas-secret-plan-to-destroy-the-second-amendment-by-2016/

        • Dave

          Yep Jeff,

          Dave H and the NRA have nothing to show anything Obama has done to take away guns so they just make stuff up. Dave H likes to stay scared and that is where the defense industry and the NRA like people… Scared and dumb…

          Dave H may one day actually have something factual to give on this besides a link to a Yahoo search filled with right wing conspiracy links and OP-ED pieces from the NRA because without conspiracy, the NRA loses donations and LaPierre might have to lose a bit of his lavish lifestyle.

          • DaveH

            Dave, your argument evolves with each passing comment.
            First you said “Obama and his allies have not put forth a single proposal to get rid of guns in this country”.
            Then you said “You can’t give me a real law proposed because there isn’t one”.
            Then you said “You have posted NOTHING that shows ANY law the Obama administration has put forth that takes away your guns”.
            Then you said “Dave H and the NRA have nothing to show anything Obama has done to take away guns so they just make stuff up”.
            The slippery Liberal Dave changes the text of his original comment in every succeeding comment.
            The fact that Obama has not gotten away with his Dictatorial Ambitions lends no credence to the denial of his intentions.
            Here’s a zinger from Obama that no doubt will be spun by Dave the Liberal Zealot:
            “National legislation will prevent other states’ flawed concealed-weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents” Obama said.
            You can spin, ridicule, personally attack, and other of your Adolescent Liberal Manipulative Techniques, Dave, but you can’t prevent the reasonable readers from seeing the truth.

          • Dave

            Once again Dave H,

            The simple idea of posting ANYTHING the Obama Admin has done to take away your guns eludes you.

            Sad really…

          • Dave

            Dave H,

            Read

            http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/19/obama-gets-failing-grades-from-gun-control-group/

            oops… Doesn’t fit with your BS NRA narrative does it?

            Come join us in reality.

          • FreedomFighter

            Kiss my Glock

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiYyHNgeFA8

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • DaveH

            Here’s one that was in the search list that I posted to make it easier for the lazy Liberal Dave to see the rash of proposals and anti-gun appointments affecting guns in the US.
            This is for the rational readers, as there is nothing that would remove the blinders from Dave’s Zealot eyes:
            http://gunowners.org/hr45ana.htm

          • DaveH

            You can lead a Donkey to water, but you can’t make him drink.

          • DaveH

            Here’s another, which Dave will deny, that was on the same search list that I provided:
            http://gunowners.org/op03242009.htm

            I doubt even Acetone could remove Dave’s Super-Glued blinders.

          • Dave

            FF,

            Not a Nugent fan, he stinks as a guitar player and singer. I am a proud liberal and guess what? I am not against people having guns. I am for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, the mentally disturbed etc. Plus I disagree with the NRA in allowing cop-killer bullets into the marketplace. I also disagree with the right wing activist SC on the 2nd Amendment’s purpose. Under their ruling, I should be able to have a nuke weapon if I using it for home protection. I should be able to buy the USS New Jersey for fishing. But most of all, I am for responsibility. Unfortunately most people in this country see guns as toys and do not treat them with the proper respect. There needs to be a way to track guns and their movement effectively for basic police work but the gun nuts see that as a threat. Common sense eludes them.

          • DaveH

            And Dave, I’m not here to convince Liberal Zealots (who don’t want to learn) of reality. I’m here to present the other side of the story to readers who have been prevented from seeing the light by the aggressive Liberal manipulators such as yourself.
            I love that you Liberals, Dave, come on here where people, who haven’t really been exposed to your kind, can see your bankrupt ideas and manipulative tactics in the light of day. It’s quite an eye-opener.

          • FreedomFighter

            To answer Dave again:

            Fast and Furious — Obama trying to pull a fast one to kill the 2nd ammendment.

            IMPEACH OBAMA the kenyan.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • DaveH

            Dave says “most of all, I am for responsibility”.
            That’s a laugh riot, Dave — a Liberal who’s for responsibility. Do you really think the readers will buy that, Dave?

          • FreedomFighter

            About liberals and guns…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv5HJkp5sY0&feature=related

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • DaveH

            Dave, the Ignorant Liberal, says this — “There needs to be a way to track guns and their movement effectively for basic police work but the gun nuts see that as a threat. Common sense eludes them”.
            Common sense? I prefer learned reality:
            http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608785/posts

          • Dave

            Ok DaveH,

            I will try again. What specific laws did the Obama admin put forth? You have position of Obama is 2008 for the legal decision but again, you have nothing that shows anything the Obama has put forth to take away your guns. You are full of it once again.

          • JeffH

            Dave says “I will try again. What specific laws did the Obama admin put forth?”

            That is the premise of your arguement? Pretty simple minded I think…but why am I not surprised. You’ve been shown what Obama’s intentions are yet you base your arguement on “what laws Obama’s admin has put forth.
            When the river water is rising do you wait for the flood before you move or do you just drown when it floods over? Heed the warning or drown and you liberals prefer to let the fire burn first before you take your hand away…your parents didn’t do a very good job raising you did they!

          • Flashy

            yeah Dave! Just because he hasn’t done what we are accusing Pres, Obama of doing, and there isn’t an iota of proof …he intends it!

            Because …..well……we know he does!

        • Dave

          FF brings up Ted Nugent as his spokesperson and calls Obama a Kenyan and Dave H brings up articles from 2000, 2001 and other pro-gun propaganda as his “proof”.

          Both are living proof of the failed education system in this country.

          DaveH,

          The boogeyman is behind you… BOO!!

          Not all conservatives are stupid, but these two are proof that all stupid people are conservative.

          Once again, give me a bill number, a law, something that Obama has supported that takes away your guns. You can’t because it doesn’t exist.

          • FreedomFighter

            Excuse my double entry.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Flashy

            FF…Fast and Furious was a Bush Admin operation which carried into the current admin. I believe Holder when he said he didn’t know it was going on. It sounds like an operation no one wanted to tell the higher ups in any new administration about for fear they’d get canned. Which of course, they ended up being.

          • DaveH

            I brought up an article from 2001 about Obama?
            And which one was that, Dave?

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    the WAR against Iran has already started…by PROXY !

    Iran is sending in troops to defend Assad in Syria and “Iraq” is sending in Sunni troops to fight against the Iranian Shias…and WE KNOW that U.S. and Israel Money is behind that!!!

    Keep the CHAOS going If the Americans, Brits and Israelis can’t CONTROL the governments BUT the “unintended” ( maybe not unintended?)could be WW3.Timing is everything-will the U.S. currencey die first and then the West “dies” ..Or ???

  • Big Jim

    Wow more arguing the real enemy is laughing at everyone doing just what they want..UNITED WE STAND AND ALL THIS ARGUING WE FALL!!!!!!!!!!

    • DaveH

      That is such a trite declaration. Exactly who is it that we’re supposed to Unite behind? It is pure manipulation, that is all.

  • ranger hall

    WE have ARMED ISRAEL with the MOST Modern WEAPONS Known to Man, WE have Given them PROTECTION and our MONEY SINCE WW2, And we are still doing it.
    WE Will Not allow ISRAEL to strike the first Blow, WE will do it for them.
    WE will let them Murder and blow up things, AS long as it can be not be traced back to Israel.
    IF we let Israel strike the first Blow IT would upset the Other Arab Countries, Even our Paid for Friends.

  • Lawrence

    Hear we go again. The establishment wants Obama re-elected so we start a war with Iran and no matter that more of America’s finest are killed along with thousands of Iranians. Will America never get their fill of blood?

    • FreedomFighter

      Its the NWO bankster elite that run the central banks, Iran ditched the dollar, they must be punished. China, Japan, Russia, ditchin the dollar.

      Iraq — run over

      Japan talked about ditching the dollar — HARRP’eddem

      Libya ditched the dollar — Killedem

      Iran …

      …China and Russia ditch the dollar…

      see a pattern yet?

      We have been hiJacked by International Banksters that control the major corps and it there interests threatened not America’s

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Dave

        Wow FF,

        I guess you are proof that a broken clock is right twice a day. Good for you.

        I agree. You do not play by our rules, like Iraq did, you get made the new boogeyman by Bush Inc.

        • DaveH

          I haven’t read all of FreedomFighters posts today, but I haven’t seen any, Dave, where he’s personally insulted you. So what gives?
          Are personal attacks all you have? Where’s the meat?

  • larry dyer

    (offensive post removed)

  • ranger hall

    WHY is WAR so Easy and PEACE is so Hard.
    GREED and POWER Controls Our way of Life, Always has and always will be. ONCE the People of the World Decide NOT to Fight, THEN you do not have a WAR. BUT History tells us that this is not going to HAPPEN, WE prefer to take the HARD ROAD instead of the EASY. Each and every war we have Just Generates more hate. Germans in WW2 was hanged and Shot for killing Civilians, WE had Americans Soldiers kill Hundreds of Men Women and Kids and SPENT a year or two in Jail, Some even LESS.
    Lets see Iraq,Afganistan. Killing an innocent CITIZEN was worth about 1000 to 2000 Dollars. WE sure dont Think Arab lives are worth Much, The Familys in the Trade Center, All received MILLIONS of Dollars. WE have a Heck of a standard in this Country ON what we think is JUST.

    • Jeep

      RING…RING…RING…Answer the phone it’s your doctor calling, apparently you didn’t take your meds today…

    • Karolyn

      Unfortunately, it’s the people who suffer during wars that are precipitated by their leaders.

      • Jeep

        You have a very good point Karolyn, it was always heartbreaking to me to deal with refugees. It always seemed so…pathetic? It’s difficult to describe. But that aside, just be careful, ranger hall has some violent anti-semetic views he’s dealing with.

        • Michael

          It is always easy to say “Oh, those poor, innocent people.” It is their responsibility to govern themselves in such a way that their “government” does not attack other countries unprovoked. If they are not willing to do that, they will have to suffer the consequences of that decision. You expect Americans to govern themselves that way, why should others be any different? It was the common people that stood up against a dictator and suffered many horrors at his hands in order to establish the current country that you enjoy living in today, The United States of America. Many more have given their lives and substance to continue it’s existence. Those “innocents” are no more or less responsible for their circumstances than we are. A prime example of this is the situation in Syria. The people are attempting to overthrow a dictator. If they succeed, they will be responsible for the government that they establish. If that government is unfriendly to America, it is their fault. If it attacks America, they will have to pay the penalty for the government they established. I do not mean to sound as though I don’t care about them, I just realize where my responsibilities lie first. I have an obligation to protect my own country first. It is called “priorities”.

          • Karolyn

            You are right. Conditions in any given country are that way because of the people who live there. Case in point – Venezuela. My Spanish instructor is Venezuelan and was telling me the other day that Hugo Chavez will never be voted out because he keeps the majority of the people happy by supplying them with crumbs to keep them going. As long as they have food in their mouths, they love him.

        • John

          Jeep, do you know what antisemitism is? Do you know that people on here that are demeaning Muslims are as antisemitic as people demeaning Jews (and no, criticizing the state of Israel is not considered antisemitic).
          There are 3 Semitic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam… demeaning any of the members of those religions for their religions sake is called antisemitism.

    • Terri Lynn Sullivan

      ranger hall…the sad thing is, you are entirely correct in everything you say here. Some people in America (less and less now) are stuck in the outdated false notion that our wars “protect our freedoms and security”, and that we are a “free nation”. There are now at least 9 nations with overall higher freedom rating BECAUSE they don’t spend mult-trillions on war/weapons for entirely spurious reasons (including false flag/internally plotted/perpetrated 9/11)and put it instead into taking care of their own people, the USA ranks #82 in Global Peace rating….while countries we once thought of as violent and “oppressive” rank # 3 and 15 respectvely (Japan & Germany).Naive American’s manipulated by media paid for by special interest will say “well we are paying for their defense”. HELLO!!! That is EXACTLY what is wrong here, we are not “fighting for our country”, with 1000+ of our military bases around the globe, our historic global crusade to spread “freedom and democracy” while these very same ideals are being diminished in the USA DUE to our perpetual war machine. It has got to stop, and only way is for American people to finally be BRAVE enough to say no. Our overbloated MIC goes against five founding fathers warnings, including Washington who said “beware the military industrial complex which is antithetical to American liberties”. The American empire is self-destructed…Iran another false flag operation, the puppets are the American people believing in all the scare tactics, when each of us are 12k times more likely to die of cancer due to environmental hazards (a better place to put money than war) than said “terrorist attack”. Yes, you are correct, American’s have a hell of a standard on what deem “just”. Interesting enough, its those of us today with no credit card debt, owning nice houses with no real financial “stress” beyond saving for our kids college eds that see this. The “oppressed” fighting with their mortgage companies to busy fighting to see how the war fighting is wrong, and major CAUSE of their troubles. The OWS has as its underlining impetus to fight against our war machine taking the USA down…Doctors, nurses, whole families are supporting this movement. Time for Americans to see our era of hegemony is over, we are not a “superpower” able to conquer the world.

      • Michael

        I cannot believe what I just read. Are you really using Japan and Germany as examples to make your point? Have you never heard of WWII, Hitler, Pearle Harbor, 50 million dead? You can’t be that stupid. This has got to be a joke. It is because of the unwillingness of the United States to get involved that led to the death of millions of American soldiers at the hands of the Nazis and Japaneze. Are you so afraid of standing up against evil that you would be willing to sacrifice millions more at the hands of the modern day Hitler named Ahmahdinajad? Remeber, Hitler did not have nuclear weapons, but he was trying to get them. We beat him to it because his #1 scientist understood what Hitler would do with them if he ever got his hands on them. He would destroy the world. It is the same with Japan and Iran. That is why it is necessary to go to any means to ensure that the leaders in Iran never get their hands on nukes. They have sworn to use them against Israel and America. It is this same isolationist attitude that allowed Hitler to establish control over Europe and force us to sacrifice millions in order to defeat him and his allies.

        • Karolyn

          You cannot seriously be comparing Ahmadenijad to Hitler! That is laughable!

        • John

          Your fallacy is to believe that Iran needs to have a nuclear weapon to destroy Israel. Nope, they can do that today. They have thousands of biological and chemical weapons that will overwhelm the Israeli defense if they are used. Moreover, they have enough 20% enriched Uranium to fill hundreds of rockets and thus produce dirty bombs making Israel uninhabitable for decades.
          Nope, If they really wanted to do it, they could have done it already. I.M.H.o., a nuclear bomb…and in this case a weaponized nuclear bomb will only be assurance against invasion from a 3rd party. And thus, the US is in a rush to act… because once the Iranians have a nuclear weapon, there is NO way the US oil corporations get their hands on that Iranian oil…ever.. without us having a large price to pay

        • Terri Lynn Sullivan

          Michael, you cannot “believe what I said” because you are still deep in the walls of denial all we the American people have been in at some point in our lives..its been inbred into our heads by our History books which reflect reflections of the truth hidden between many many lies.One cannot realistically learn American history from a history book, as seen in the classroom. We need to let our eyes travel outside the imperial word, our minds and hearts travel outside our nation to see this. Of course I know about “WWII (yet another unnecessary war), Pearl Harbor, and Hitler (the gold standard of evil, even though as bad as he was he was not responsible for more innocent lives than the USA’s historic wars for oil/greed/profit/”power” or spreading “freedom and democracy”). All our wars (especially over past decade) have been declared for entirely spurious reasons. You will not see or learn this unless you let yourself step outside the “comfort zone” of what we all want to think “we are a free and just nation” and all our actions have been so “Patriotic” and “brave”. Just take one parable here….The parables of Pearl Harbour and 9/11 lay daunting before us. In both cases, our incumbent President allowed the “overt actions” by a foreign country to happen first to “justify” America’s involvement in costly wars for spurious reasons. In both cases, the American people were made to believe they were outright “surprise attacks”, to rally the masses into the same historic self-righteous wrath of “vengeance”, without knowing full story of just what this “vengeance” would be for. In both cases this blind vengeance and unjustified fury is thought of as synonymous with “justice“. In both cases, there was a huge failure of U.S. intelligence and several internal signals purposely ignored. In both cases, there are a significant number of highly credible sources including military personnel challenging the official “stories”. Both cases very well likely involved either active or passive U.S. Federal Government complicity, unbeknown to the American people. No Michael, I am not stupid, and nor are you. What is stupid, is that we the American people would continue down this road of self-destruction, self-denial, and continue justifying it as pointing to past evils of “Hitler, Pearl Harbor”etc….now of course it’s anti-Islamism, anti-socialsim wrongly confused with “communism” which was never a real threat…that false flag led to another worthless war in Vietnam. No, YOu could not be stupid, nor is anyone of this post. We’ve all have the rug pulled out from our eyes, some of eyes have pushed that rug off and now see clearly. Yup, ignorance was bliss

        • DaveH

          Terri’s right, Michael, you need to read outside the Propaganda Box.
          Here are two books to get you started:
          http://mises.org/books/whileyouslept.pdf

  • ranger hall

    WILL not matter WHO becomes PRESIDENT, AlL incoming swear that they wll PROTECT ISRAEL, And screw the Arabs,if need be.
    Any incoming President will follow the course of the Outgoing President…BECAUSE he is not the POWER. HE will do as he is TOLD.
    GREED and POWER runs the World and it sure is not the President.
    BUT you People think he has. The system is for you to have someone to BLAME, THIS takes you away from the REAL PEOPLE who should be Blamed.
    WE Bitch and Bitch about POLITICIANS and we still allow them to stay in office. WHO says WE cant get them out of Office,WHO says we have to WAIT until Elections. WELL its NOT us. ITS THE POWERS to BE.

  • dok

    where are the commets???

  • 45caliber

    “As no one expects Iran to attack Israel …”

    The entire emphasis of this article is that Iran is a peaceful country being threatened by the terrible US. We are trying to conquer and control the world.

    I fully disagree with a lot of this article but I REALLY disagree with the statement above. Iran has stated for years that they want to annilate Israel and all the Jews. Why should I NOT believe them? Why should I blame Israel for attacking all the Mid-East and that everything is their fault causing problems for “peaceful” Arabs when the opposite is shown to be true almost every day?

    This guy needs to go somewhere else – like Iran – to live and spout his babble.

    • Karolyn

      Israel can certainly take care of themselves. They don’t need us and have told us so.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        I suspect if Israel ever does attack Iran, it will be because Israel is sure of winning – without US support. There is a couple of big falicies about Israel. They seldom need our support – and they don’t need any weapons we might provide since their own designs are better. On the other hand if enough armies do attack at the same time, I believe we have the duty to step in and insist on a fair fight.

  • Robert Pabelico

    I completely disagree with you! Haven’t you seen this Iranian president talked at the UN assembly? not only that Iranian is dying to possess nuclear weapons because there’s only one goal to destroy countries against them and on top of that list is Israel. You’re column is disgusting where were you when Iranian help hostages Americans in the U.S Embassy in Tehran during Carter time? If you like Iran why the hell you go there and live with them? You can’t! and you scared because only here in America you can write and publish your stupid opinion about the government. I doubt if you’re in Iran you can criticize the government like you did here. You probably end up in prison and will sentence to death for opening your stinking mouth. That mean here in America you have freedom to say what you what to say. In Iran “NONE” no freedom over there to open you bad mouth against the Government! That’s the truth and it’s too BAD for a writer like you who don’t appreciate that!

    • Karolyn

      So, you would have us “turn the desert into glass” like so many advocate? Who cares what Ahmadinejad says anyway? He’s just a puppet for the Ayatollah. We have no place invading Iran!

      • Michael

        Well Karolyn,Maybe Ahmahdinajad will help you understand by dropping the first nuke on your city. Would that be enough for you to understand that some people are just plain evil? I don’t need that much evidence. Apparently you are not as smart as you think you are, but you are as dumb as Ahmahdinajad hopes you are.

        • Karolyn

          I can’t respnd to you any better than Terry Lynn has posted below. The only answer for bloodthirsty people like you is war and killing. Try thinking a little more outside the box. Open that little mind a bit.

          • DaveH

            What’s odd, Karolyn, is that the War Mongers condone an oversized out-of-control Government overseas, disarming citizens of other countries, and taking away their other rights, and then when they’re faced with the reality that those people aren’t going to stop with just taking other countries’ rights away, they’re surprised.

    • John

      “You’re column is disgusting where were you when Iranian help hostages Americans in the U.S Embassy in Tehran during Carter time? ”

      Hmm, where where you when in the 50s the US overthrew the democratic elected government of Iran and installed a dictator that killed hundreds of thousands just so the US and British oil corporations could get their hands on cheap Iranian oil? Oh you are to young to remember? Well, aren’t you lucky then that some of us are old enough to actually remember what really happened?

    • Mark in LA

      We heard the same nonsense from people like you who know nothing of the outside world except what somebody tells you in the 50s about the USSR. They were intent on destroying the world because they were godless communists who didn’t care if they lived or died. Guess what, you were wrong then and are still wrong. Maybe you need to find somebody else to listen to since you probably don’t have the capacity to actually think for yourself.

  • Buck

    My position is very simple , because Obamass is a simpleton . I oppose ANYTHING Obamass supports or does and and support ANYTHING he does not . He is an ego driven lunatic who actually believes he is competent . His only REAL goal is to make America a second rate banana republic with a new world order communist regime running it .

    • John

      I have a great idea, if you believe you know it all so much better then the “simpleton” Obama, why don’t YOU run for president and show us all how its done right?

  • Dave

    Jay says:
    February 14, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    That was funny, Dave. I watched and laughed through the whole thing, and all during which, i couldn’t help but be reminded of Joe Biden. Wouldn’t you agree?

    ————–

    Joe Biden knows how to use a computer??? Who knew???

  • Bear

    Who wrote this? MSNBC? What a bunch of liberal CRAP! By the way Mr. Roberts, The United States of America is NOT a “democracy” , it is a Federal Republic!

    • Dave

      No, now after the activist Supreme Court gave us the Citizen’s United ruling… We are a Corptacracy. As long as you have money, you get the Gov and Justice that suits your interests.

      Now pay up…Otherwise just sit back and let corporations do the driving… they have your best interests at heart.

  • Terri Lynn Sullivan

    It is a complete soul sickness and deep denial for any American citizen today still stuck in the outdated notion our perpetual wars could in any fashion be “protecting American freedoms and security”. Ignorance is bliss….but really, what does it take for people out there to climb out from under their small town rural rock and read? Travel outside the borders of our “free nation” to a nation with more freedom (there are at least 9) and view our American supremacy and imperialism from the yes of others? To think outside the box, and words encoded onto our National Anthem? It has always been this ignorance of the American populace that has enabled our self-destructive wars to continue. While not their fault (we’ve all been brainwashed through our upbringing/History books extolling “vitues” of the “war-hero” oxymoron, the notion we were “founded on a revolutionary war” entrenched into our collective brains) At some point you’d think each American would grow beyond….broaden their horizons

    • Jeep

      Yes Terri, “Ignorance is bliss…” So, you can go to Iran, sing Kumbaya and let’s see how far that gets you. Sorry, but sometimes I get irritated at the inane comments people who have never known hardship make. Broaden your horizons, and take a hard look at evil that knocks on our doorstep daily. You would think each American would understand that your silly comments are a direct result of some American soldier standing between you and that evil. Besides, if you don’t like it here; (maybe you would prefer one of nine other countries?) then you are FREE to leave, thanks to a soldier.

      • Terri Lynn Sullivan

        Jeep, I feel confident most people here would read my postings and find me far more “pro-american” than you, who believes in war as a “defense to our nation”. I am not naive enough to think those “soldiers” are protecting our freedoms. Who, praytel’, are “protecting” those innocent young women and no less horrendous men from being put into harms way under alarmist pretense of “protecting our freedoms and security”, when they are made to think they are “fighting for our nation”? Hmmmm? Unlike you, I ‘SUPPORT THE TROOPS”: by realizing the best thing we can do is keep peoples daughters and sons save from undue harm to begin with. You are missing one fundamental principle here, and that is that war does not “serve our nation”, unless you consider the $800 billion extremist regime called the Pentagon with its overbloated MIC five of our founding fathers warned us against as “serving our nation”. I serve my nation in more beneficial ways, by volunteering in my child’s school, helping with environmental causes, spreading positive awareness about the negative energy YOU believe in, the negative energy taking the USA down today. Where is all that “evil” knocking down your door? In your paranoid dreams or manipulated media data, paid for by special interest groups to cause panic and fuel our highly unnecessary wars? Rather than be a bunch of angry birds, try being a happy, well adjusted bird and think more positive. Don’t think so? Ask the parent that just lost their daughter in Afghanistan after she was hunted down my military recruiters while attending Harvard Med school, her whole life in front of her with desire to be a Dr, or some other parents daughter or son with same fate (one no worse than other).Who is protecting those innocent kids from this undue harm? You are crazy if you really believe that those “soldiers” are being put into harms way to stop “evil” people from knocking on our doors….look within our own souls and move beyond. At some point, people in Germany realized Hitler was not “good for their country”, and the USA is being likened today in same parable, as a Nazi 1939 picture of self destructive imperialism. There is nothing “Patriotic” about believing our wars are protecting our nation

        • Karolyn

          Well said!

        • Jonathan

          At this point, are you for Ron Paul, as I am, to help in changing the direction in which our country is headed? I hope so. I don’t agree with all that he espouses, but he is the only politician that can help us at this juncture, in my opinion. All the others are contaminated in one way or another. Dr. Paul has a political history of restraint in the growth of the federal government and in adherence to our Constitution. He is not owned by the corporations. He is fiscally conservative. He has a published plan to change the direction of our country.

    • Michael

      And here we have another “Eletist” that thinks she is the only one who has any understanding and the rest of us are just a bunch of ignorant, uneducated morons who don’t understand things on her superior level. What a load of self righteous, arrogant crap.

      • Terri Lynn Sullivan

        Michael, I am sure your spelling of “elitist” is merely a typo, so we will let that one slide. You’ve got this one ironically turned around so much I envision green stuff to start spewing out your mouth as the exorcist gets the demonic spirits out of your negative system. I am FAR from being a self-righteous “elitist”, and in fact, that is exactly the attitude we the American people need to move away from. Our historic self-righteous indignation has been the impetus for our country’s self-destructive war path READ! You cannot find out what is happening in the world and America’s pivotal role in it by reading our newspapers everyday, watching our propaganda news paid for by special interest groups to manipulate your weary minds into thinking the midddle east are quite as “evil” as all that…yes there are oppressive things going on over there, but LOOK at our own historic, pivotal role in it, including the weapons we’ve shipped historically to “hostile” nations. Good books to pick up, “The American way of War” by Eugene Jarecki, or his documentary “Why we Fight”, even Smedley Butler, USMC 16 star “hero” of war (if such a thing exist) wrote in his book “War is a Racket” how it has always ONLY been about the financial “elites” and greed of political interest that we’ve gone off to wars, with the Wall street cronies advising our Presidents and congress of what is “good for our country”, based of course, on investments into these financial weapons of mass destruction. Gain a more positive attitude and not one of an alarmist, scaredty cat gun slinging violent mass wanting to “protect those evil” people outside our own evil Pentagon. We have enough paranoid psychos out there carrying guns, likely on those psychotropic drugs over prescribed by Dr’s paid for by big pharma (more profits for negative direction) aiding their delusions of “fighting for our country”

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    Well said, Terri Lynn Sullivan

    • Michael

      Canadians need to mind their own business and stay out of ours. You have no say in American matters that have nothing to do with your country.

      • Terri Lynn Sullivan

        Wrong Michael. we live in a Global world, and our actions are negatively affecting all nations. (especially our own, America the beautiful) We have allowed our leaders to become our nations own worst enemy. The “canadian” who spoke here has as much right to what he/she says as you do. Our wars have brought down the value of other countries currency as well as the dollar, after all, we are the printer of international reserve currency. Again, thinking like an American supremist hurting only ourselves. Marlene…there is nothing “liberal” of “far left” about any of the things said here. In fact, this political polarization is exactly what causes our gridlock…..”lefty” or “righty”, what difference does it really make? Both sides are corrupt as other, like a rabid wolve fighting over a wounded animal, the latter being us, the American people. Don’t get caught up in this “right wing” vs “left wing” thing…..even our presidential candidates can’t get that right

      • DaveH

        Using that line of logic, Michael, you’re on the wrong site. This site is about Personal Liberty, something that you obviously don’t embrace.

    • Jeep

      And, yes Canada can thank American soldiers too. After all, do you think the Nazi design didn’t include Canada too? What about our current problem with terrorists…last time I checked they don’t discriminate between Canadian or American.

    • DaveH

      Roger, don’t listen to Michael. You’re welcome here.

  • Michael

    You have conviently left out all the threats to destroy Israel that have been made by the Iranians. Your bias is showing, and it is screaming “Ron Paul supporter”. One-sided stories are not acceptable as real understandings, only rants by biased people.

    • John

      Talking of rants, you probably listen to Rush the drug addict Limbaugh right?

    • Mark in LA

      Talk about believeing in one-sided stories. You are its poster-boy.

    • DaveH

      You couldn’t even face Ron Paul, Michael. The glare of his Principles would blind you.

  • TS

    Koolaid drinker.

  • Robert Pa.

    12/21/12, the end of the People. We didn’t work out very well.
    Push one button and some cruise missile right up “I’manutjob and his little Koldmeany” sent down to Hades. The rest of Iran would be drunk for a month.
    Or the Sea of Harmuse where Iran use to be. All possible solutions.

  • Ted Crawford

    It’s sad to see that neither IQ nor education can overcome personal prejudice! How very, very sad!

  • isBubba

    @OP – You say “potato,” I say “Hooey!”

    If you can’t listen the words of Iran’s own leaders, and hear what they clearly have historically said as to their intentions toward Israel and the U.S., then you need to get your ears checked. If you can’t see the terrorist states and groups that Iran has propped up to fight their battles for them in the terrorists’ tradition, then you need to get your eyes checked. And if you can’t tell the truth of the situation in the middle-east, then you need to get your mouth washed out with soap.

  • barry

    ‘This decision is by the decree of the watchers, and the sentence by the word of the holy ones, in order that the living may know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, gives it to whomever He will, and sets over it the lowest of men.’ (Daniel 4:17)

    Paul, you give washington too much credit.

  • Marlene

    IF we go to war against Iran, will Obama get permission from Congress or will he, once again, bypass Congress and the Constitution as is his bad habit?

    • John

      neither, there will be a false flag attack on one of our ships and the military will just defend itself…too bad this self defense will cause millions to be death.

  • dave Major USAF

    It’s amazing when reading these leftist remarks, how utterly without rational all of them are. It’s exactly why God has given up on the U.S. If it wasn’t for us watchmen on the wall who still keep our original national intent burning, God would have withdrawn his hedge from us already. We will win in the end and those who are plotting their agenda will be cursed. I personally ask God right at this instant that he will crush these enemies of this nation and once more bring it under his control as it was originally intended. God is still in control and always will be.

    • John

      IF your god would be real, tell me, why would he be FOR the US? Because we the US have killed millions in this world? because we execute people in our penal system? because we believe just because there is a war it is O.k. to kill woman and children and consider them collateral damage? or because the US Christians have twisted his word into the opposite?
      Why would a all loving god be / bless for a country of war and murder?

    • Dave

      Dave,

      Was this country moral when slavery was ok in this country? Or when we used Chicken Pax and guns to wipe out the Indians for the purposes of Manifest Destiny?

      It is amazing to me how conservatives look to human sexuality has proof that we have lost our moral way but never greed…

      The United States is a country with all of the same human failings of any other country. We try and tell ourselves we are somehow better than anyone else due to the lingering post WW2 self congrats syndrome we still suffer from at times.

      We prove we are a great country when we help the least of us, when we do the right things and when we treat others with the respect we would want for ourselves.

    • DaveH

      I can’t even imagine what kind of tyranny you would think would be representative of what our knowledgeable Founders intended, Dave Major.
      Our founders advocated self-reliance, self-governance, and staying out of other countries’ business. Somehow, I don’t think you share those Principles.

  • Mark Howe

    This essay has changed my view of this site. As a conservative I would include keeping Iran nuclear free as a conservative goal. The irrational ravings of Paul Craig Roberts sounded like they could have been written by Ayman Z. or Achmedinezad [sp?].

    • John

      Are your blinders on so tight that you can’t stomach an opposing view? What are you afraid of? That you may learn something new?

    • Mark in LA

      Well Rambo what are you going to do about it? Nobody can stop Iran friom being nuclear free but Iran. You people with your stupid simplistic pronouncements about what we should not allow without ever thinking what that means. Why didn’t we keep the USSR from being nuclear free? We didn’t because that meant a major nuclear strike killing 90% of the population. Is that what you think we should do to keep Iran nuclear free?

    • DaveH

      It’s irrational to argue against Imperialistic Hegemony, by the US, around the world? Since when?

  • Deerinwater

    Whenever the “Far Right” can’t move the ball on the merits and issues of the day. They resort to the old stand by, Somebody is coming to get their guns and somebody is killing embryos.

    While after all these years they still have got their guns, I still have mine and we still much fight the “Right” for funds in the struggle to fed, cloth and educate little guys born into poverty that don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of turning out well without government and church involvement.

    Try to get more creative with your arguement if you can, You have worn this argument out!

    The words, still don’t fit the reality regardless of how many times they are offered and repeated.

    You still have your guns.

    And the little guys that you really don’t care about while you act like they do, keep being born to people that you don’t approve of.

    These issues are tried, old and you still you have gained no yardage.

    • DaveH

      Doesn’t all that sand get in your eyes, Deer?
      Government would have successfully grabbed our guns many decades ago if people were ignorant enough to take your stance.
      The first thing all despotic leaders do is to confiscate peoples’ guns, and they rarely do it in one fell swoop, knowing that would generate too much resistance.
      Here is just one example of their lust to disarm people:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

      • JeffH

        DaveH, what makes it worse is that those that want to infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear Arms do so in the open, for all to see, except for those so blinded by the obvious.

  • Mark Howe

    Ooopps….
    I hadn’t read the other rantings on this site before. Now I see, it is full of irrational ravings. Bye. :-)

    • John

      Wow someone is really afraid to learn something new.

  • John Hand

    The author of this article is obviously living on a different planet then I have been living on. He ways the USA is prepping for a war with Iran? There is no way that the great Obamasan is going to attack one of his Arab allies. Israel must go it alone. He ways that the USA has been engaged in a propaganda war with Iran for 32 years. Yeah, right. We have waved limp-wrists and said…’Bad Iran, bad bad…’ while Iran has been actively engaged in terrorism and supplying personnel and weapons to kill American military (and civilians). I will never forget, back in the first days of the Iranian student takeover of the US Embassy in Tehran. One student was holding up a big sign that said…THE USA CAN DO NOTHING. We had Carter then, and we have Obama now, so he is right, the USA could and will not do nothing. I will say this, in between we had some other presidents, including GW, and they did nothing also. GW had his priorities confused when he said the ‘Axis of evil’ was comprised of Iraq, Iran, and N.Korea. He went against the wrong one, Iraq instead of Iran, and now Iran is free to rampage all over the mid-east, and beyond.

    • Marlene

      Very astute comment, John.

    • Karolyn

      Haven’t we wasted enough lives?

    • John

      Wasn’t it enough that the US deposed of the democratic elected rightful Iranian government in the 50s and installed a dictator that killed hundreds of thousands of Iranians just so the British and US oil corporations could get their hands on cheap Iranian oil? How many more of our sons and daughters do you think should die for the profits of the international corporations?

    • Mark in LA

      First of all at least show you know something about the outside world. Iranians are not Arabs. They speak Farsi and would be insulted by the thought of them being Arabs. The Persians were building great civilizations while Arabs were still bedouins riding camels.

  • Marlene

    When did personalliberty.com become an outlet for liberal rants and falsities? The complexion of this comment page has tilted so far left it’s ready to fall off the face of the earth, as one Democrat once said. Very sad.

    • Karolyn

      Are you saying all conservatives are war mongers? That’s what I thought.

    • John

      When have you become so blinded and stuck up that you can’t stomach an viewpoint that is opposite yours? Is it so against your believes that you can’t / won’t even try to understand / discuss opposing viewpoints.
      A website that preaches to the quire all the time is like a soup without any spices…it becomes stale and tasteless after a while.

    • Dave

      So you want “group think” where you give each other “I agree” as a response? Of course there is absolutely no lies, spin and propaganda by conservatives here. I just need to watch how high browe posters on the right accuse Obama of not being a citizen, a communist/socialist, terrorist sympathiser etc…

  • Bob

    Haaven’t the Republicans done enough to this country with the election of George Bush who put us in debt as a conservative.

  • Walter Nowosad

    You started this article with a very sensational sentence, ”
    Washington has made tremendous preparations for a military assault on Iran”, without citing the source: documents, interview, government source. Without such validation of the sentence, the rest of the article is simply pure sensational speculation on your part. Now, should you cite such source, I will be glad to withdraw my statements otherwise, be honest and call the article an “Opinion Piece.”

  • David

    Your quote of Karl Marx, and the implied acceptance of its complete legitimacy is unsettling.

    I agree with the part, “… money turns everything into a commodity that can be bought and sold.”–(or at least value-assessed.)

    But one has to to have been swayed by Marxism’s illogic by assuming the next statement logically follows: “All other values are defeated: honor, integrity, truth, justice, loyalty, even blood kin. Nothing remains but filthy lucre.”

    The second statement is a non-sequiter. I would go so far as to say that someone who accepts both statements together is a closet Marxist–even if they are unaware and vehemently deny it.

    That which is not a commodity is not therefore undefeated by evil intent. instead, it is just as vulnerable but more easily hoarded and perverted once under the control of a third party.

    Money liquefies the control of both commodities and values so that they can be purchased, sold or saved and invested.

    • David

      Addendum.
      Quantum physics has determined that mass and energy are the same thing. This is the impetus of Einstein’s E=MC2. Well, how about “Quantum Economics”: Money and Power are the same thing. Its just that money is a slippery liquid form of power that is accessible to the common man in the free market.

  • Bruce D.

    I would not call any of these Muslim countries puppet countries. They act in their own self interest. Any money given these countries buys very little. They want Iran’s nuclear threat gone as much as anyone else. If anything the United States is the puppet government to the Saudi’s who act only in their self interest along with Pakistan and countries like that.

  • Bruce D.

    It is very short sighted not to see the dangers of a Nuclear Iran. The United States has a duty to its citizens to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons. There cannot be anything more dangerous than a world armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. A war with Iran will bring havoc and come at a great cost but the liability of Iran exporting the technology combined with having suicidal political/religious leaders is very dangerous. You see the problems Japan is having with its food source. Fallout can travel long and far by the trade winds.

  • Steve Bouton

    So, Washington has been waging a propaganda war against poor Iran, eh? Hmm, this “Great Satan” moniker they have for us, more propaganda? Oh, I guess Ahmadinejad’s statement that Israel should be wiped off the map is what? More propaganda? I’m not looking for another war, but it is not in our interest for there to be a nuclear Iran. Unlike China or the Ruskies, they understood that if you nuke us, we will nuke you. How do you retaliate against a nuke in the hands of a terrorist group? Where do you think Hezzbollah gets their arms? Wal-Mart? My advise to Iran is if you play with fire, sooner or later you will get burned.

  • S Pasf

    Truth mixed with lies, very clever but also obviously biased. How can you say that Israel is the aggressor if Iran has vowed to wipe them off the map when they can? Their top religious leader as well as the Prime Minister have both said this. If you saw your neighbour building a truck bomb and he said he was going to blow you up with it when he it is finished, would you just sit there and wait for it to happen? Yes wars are wrong and often started for money and power, yet at times if we do not act the outcome is even worse. Learn from history, Hitler would have been stopped a lot earlier and millions of lives saved if the Allies had acted sooner. Iran is developing missiles that will be able to reach the USA and carry a nuclear warhead, of course they would never use it as they are peace loving reasonable people who believe in live and let live. Wake up, get a life.

    • Karolyn

      Everybody I’ve heard interviewed about the subject says that they could never build something to reach the US. Does everybody really think they are that stupid. Any country that would launch a nuke knows that it would mean the end of them too.

  • John Tedford

    I believe that Paul Craig Roberts is correct about all of this. He writes articles for the American Free Press. I have been a subcriber to the American Free Press for a long time now. As a Vietnam Vet, I’m convinced war is a racket. WW1, WW2, Korea, and Vietnam wars were all money making rackets for the global elite, and so are the ones America is engaged in today! To me this an outrage, there is no excuse for these terrible wars. To make matters worse the news media is the voice of the federal government in D.C. Iran is no threat to the United States. But the Iran will fight if they are attacked.

    • John Tedford

      The latest article from the American Free Press says America, IsraelAdmit: Iran Not Making Nukes. If the United States should go to war aganist Iran to protect Israel then the U.S. government is insane. It will be 1914 all over again when Europe went to war on a pack of lies drawing other counties in to the war to end all wars. It could result in WW3, and thats no joke, and gas and food prices go right through the roof which will break our country.

      • David

        First off, I don’t agree with ‘everything” Paul Craig Roberts says. (See my first post about 7 or 8 posts above yours.)
        But I do agree with the jist of this one.
        However, if I were the leader of a country like Iran, how would I respond to years and years of threats by some of the most powerful countries in the world? I would have two choices: either prepare to deflect future threats by being a casper milktoast and give up anything demanded. OR, develop a defence that would give even the most powerful country pause.
        To continue with role-play…
        If I were the leader of a country that everyone in the world was sure was planning to attack the country mentioned above, I would have two choices: Either attack RIGHT NOW, or make statements that seem to undermine any motivation I have for attacking them. That would give me time to prepare a real attack.

  • Jaynr

    Paul-you are a real stupid. Iran keeps declaring that they aim to eliminate Israel off the face of the earth. Why don’t you open your brain to the truth!

  • Thinking about

    I still wonder why those making the decision to invade Iraq did not know or understand Iraq held Iran down. When you are focused on invading another country as the Bush administration, common sense gets in the way of making good decisions. Now we are left with Iran who probably figures if Isreal is attacked the rest of the Arab nations will not attack them for doing so. Our safety net on Iran is gone, now we have to face the consquences.

  • hitthedeck

    Remember Obama’s motto that opportunities can be found in times of crises. If Israel does not attack Iran by August Obama will strike to secure his office by being in charge of a potential World War III. What a better way to get his Obama care in gear while everyone is distracted in a major conflict. He knows that the American people are not likely to change the commander in chief in time of war. He can take out terrorists’ thousands of miles away with computer guided drones but would rather risk thousands of American lives at a full fledged war rather than taking out the radical leaders in Iran. The old rule book of not targeting the political leaders of a country is out of date especially if radicals have weapons of mass destruction. Our Navy Seals and special opts units have the technology to take out any one any place and our bunker busting bombs will bury Iran’s leaders alive. Without the radical leaders the Iranian people could choose their own government in a free democracy. Let’s just hope we can remain a free democracy if Obama has another term.

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    What is going on??? I amnticiing on a regular basis that ALL the comments disappear! Is the “enemy” hacking into “Personal Liberty Digest”?

    Something is definately strange and ominous

    • DaveH

      They announced yesterday (I think) that they were having problems.

      • libertytrain

        He said to expect problems – while the site is being upgraded.

  • hitthedeck

    If we go to war with Iran and don’t find any evidence of weapons of mass destruction will Obama be treated the same way Bush was treated?

  • Mark

    Hi Mr. Roberts -

    From all the lefty cliches you managed to cram into your essay I would have thought you’d list being a staff writer for Media Matters on your resume – be that as it may, it was entertaining.

    However your statement:

    “no one expects Iran to attack Israel (except in retaliation for an Israeli attack on Iran),”

    is the most laughable.

    The Iranians expect to attack Israel as soon as they have a working atomic weapon, and might just decide to test the “we hope it works” prototype on Tel Aviv. They already have the delivery system dialed in; oh yeah – “it’s just space exploration” – sure, and just need a few kilos of the right stuff to make a nice bang.

    I do think BO is hoping to put it off until it will get him reelected though – it is a clever move on his part.

    PS: I’m long gold and oil and short equities.

  • givemyrightsback

    You make it sound like Iran is so innocent and that mean old bully USA is who started all the trouble. You quote the Romans and how they handled power. The fact is men and nations have always sought to rule over other men and nations. If your not the one pulling the strings then your strings are the ones being pulled. For someone of your experience you sound pretty naive. There will always be war and rumors of war.

    • Karolyn

      It doesn’t have to be that way. If more and more people realized that war is not just a part of life, the world could change. However, as long as there are people like you, we will be beset by violence.

  • AWEESHE

    This is just Ron Paul propaganda. The only reason Iran is developing nuclear technology, is to destroy Israel. They have said so in the UN. I hope the US stands with Israel, because Obama has only encouraged the Muslim Brotherhood. He is letting them build a mosque at ground zero. It is only a matter of days before Iran developes a nuclear weapon, and that is the turning point regarding the survival of Western Civilization. Israel must defend itself. I hope that we stand with Israel.

  • RROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    Why do the messages not appear when I log in again?

  • RROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    sorry for the mispell or ROGER

  • ROGER, Canadian Libertarian

    …BUT after I post a message the other messages all appear…what is happening

    • Karolyn

      I posted about the same thing Monday, and Bob Livingston responded that they are working on it.

  • Mark Gilstad

    You are so full of crap I had to open the door as I was reading this
    to let the stink out. People like you scare me a hell of a lot more
    than any progressive pacifist, living or dead. No one expects Iran to
    attack Israel……….really? How many times do they have to tell
    the world their goal is to wipe Israel off the map before you believe
    them? Seriously, how many? And the most anti Israel president int
    the history of Israel is secretly working with Benjamin Netinyahu
    (sorry, I never could spell that name), the head of state he despises
    the most to attack Iran…………the only thing missing fro that
    story are the words once upon a time; if you are going to tell a good
    fairy tale, you should begin it properly. I could go on, (and on)
    but what’s the point? Ideology always blinds facts. Enjoy your
    fantasy world……..just leave me out of it.

  • baker john

    The way I read the article it sounds like the writer believes Iran’s Ahadinajat and the muslim clerics are a peace loving group of dictators and all the rhetoric he’s been spouting about wiping Israel of the map should be disregarded, hm very strange why won’t he let the nuclear inspectors in to see all that they have and are doing must be he’s trying to hide things as long as possible and or only let them see what he wants them to see.

  • Jay

    The conflict between the US-led powers and Iran has wider ramifications. It is part and parcel of Washington’s bid to engineer the social and political upheavals across the Arab World in order to redraw the region in its strategic interests. It is no coincidence that fresh from NATO’s conquest of and regime change in Libya, the focus has quickly shifted to Syria – a key regional ally of Iran. As Michel Chossudovsky has pointed out “the road to Tehran goes through to Damascus”. Regime change in Syria would serve to isolate Iran. Subjugating Iran and returning it to Western tutelage is the prize that Washington and its allies have been seeking for the past 33 years ever since their client the Shah, Mohammad Rezā Pahlavi, was deposed by the Islamic Revolution in 1979.

  • John Tedford

    It seems to me that quite a few are for Israel, not the United States of America. Israel is a military dictatorship. Take a hard look at Israel’s attack on The U.S.S. Liberty on June 8. 1967. I was in Vietnam at that time. The attack was intentional and deliberate. The Israeli government wanted wanted every U.S. sailor abourd killed and The U.S. Liberty destroyed, to get us into war with Egypt. Israel is famous for their false flagg operations. Israel’s motto is: By the art of deception shall we make war. I’m apalled by the ignorance of of the people. Israel is no friend of of the United States, and it is a lot better for us that we end our foreign aid to Israel and break off our diplomatic relations with that country. Lyndon Johnson betrayed the Sailors of the U.S.S. Liberty by refusing to come to their aid and supporting Israel’s act of war on the United States.

  • http://www.yahoo.com Peggy

    The disastrous mistakes the US made in i979 inside of Iran are forever etched in my mind. Now here we have a repeate of the same STUPID mistakes repeating over again. We did the same stupid thing in Afganistan, arming and training Osama Bin Laden, when they were at war with the USSR. then the same stupid mistake arming Saddam Nusane, when he was fighting with Iran. It was a mistake in all 3 cases. Now I see the US about to make the very SAME STUPID mistakes again in Syria and Iran. When will they ever learn to take care of our ‘ OWN BUISNESS FIRST ” ?

  • easy80s

    I think I am recrimination,
    All stinkers hate,
    What we have here,
    Know not debate.

  • simian pete

    A very educational article by Mr. Roberts ! It seems that bribing the Iranian leadership isn’t going to happen. The presence of so much US naval ship’s so close to Iran is very troublesome to this “simian” !!

    Theoretically , Iran has the weapon potential to sink the ships that are to close. The use of in theatre nuclear weapons would be unacceptable to the international community.

    US provocation will probably cause and alignment of Eastern nations – an Eastern Alliance – that could emerge , within a decade, as the new and only superpower.

    Mr. Obama could avoid this by moving US naval vessels out of range of Iranian anti-ship technology. If not, we could be seeing another Pearl Harbor of sorts… US naval ships boxed in the PErsian Gulf north of Hormuz. A perfect “Kill Zone” for the Iranians….

  • Joe C

    I guess we have a short memory and The World Trade centers was due to our Foreign Policy , and as long as we allow countries who get our Aid to do what ever they want in that region America will be open to more attacks . The U.S is a very delicate society and cannot afford to have social breakdown in its society . Israel has been a aggressor in that region and the world knows it . It is hard to feel sorry for a Bully if something happens to him.

  • Fact Checker

    The wrong question, Will Iran Be Attacked?, is being written. The correct question is, Will the warmongers, the Republicans, Boehners, Cantors and O’Connell’s family members be joining the armed forces to fight the war, or will they be running to the deferment office to get out of military service?

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