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Why?

April 11, 2011 by  

Why?

Why do people see things differently? A quick answer is, “they are not on the same page.”

How do we get on the same page? Assume that we measure the all-knowing among us at 100 and everybody else is somewhere between 100 and zero. One caveat: Your number has nothing to do with your, “education.” In fact your number of somewhere between zero and 100 has nothing to do with anything.

You may have heard that old saying, “He has his ear to the ground.” Your number is something that comes with birth. But don’t give up if yours is low, you can catch up, or mostly so. I admit that you can get a jumpstart if you come into the world with the right genes. Never fear, you can learn.

This I know is true because I have seen many backwoods-type people who sounded completely dumb in conversation but who had more perception than many or most people with high degrees of formal education.

So here’s the deal: I can get us on the same page if I can get as many definitions as possible in print. Here goes:

Agent Provocateur: A very old trick of government to foment wars and revolutions with phony fronts and propaganda.

Ages of History: Silver and gold; iron and steel; paper and finally electronic symbols; then back to silver and gold again.

Bureaucrats: Government employees, and everything they do is for the government; nothing for the people.

Conventional Medicine: American system of medical care as prescribed by medical schools and financed and controlled by pharmaceutical houses.

Democracy: The buzzword at all levels in our society when referring to human liberty. The truth is, they use the word democracy for any chicanery the government wants to put on the people, from fascism to communism.

Education: Formal education in the U.S. is the same as a government education. The goal of formal education is to control the public mind by controlling our parameters of thought.

Escape the System: Buy gold and silver.

Famine in the Land: Can you visual a famine coming to modern America while the grocery store shelves are still fully stocked? What’s the best thing that can happen to you right now? Recognize that you are ignorant. Flush everything you know and start over! Ignorant people are those who don’t know that they don’t know. Intelligent people are those who know not and know that they know not. Information becomes wisdom to those with an inquiring mind.

Food Stamps: One sign of a collapsing system. Forty million Americans are now on food stamps because of the collapsing system.

Gold and Silver: Real money that 90+ percent of the people don’t want, don’t value and don’t know anything about.

Government: Organized crime that flourishes on the wealth and the production of its citizens. The system gives them life and protects their “profession,” but you pay. The system protects itself, not the people.

Government, Bankers and Insurance Companies: They all love fiat money (paper money).

Government Bonds: A huge disguised system of theft, as bonds are certificates of guaranteed confiscation of wealth.

Inflation: It is an increase of the money supply by the money creators. Fiat is a monetary drug addiction. It destroys everything, including morality.

Lawyers and Accountants: Both work for the government (the system) but you pay them. They have a vested interest in pleasing the system at your expense.

Love: Impossible unless you can walk in your loved one’s shoes. If you can’t, don’t get married.

Mania: Economic chaos created by paper money.

Media: Is used to spread the propaganda of the system. They tell the people only what they want them to know.

Monetizing Debt: “Paying” debt with non-substance paper money.

Monsanto GMO Foods: Genetically modified foods and hybrid seeds that won’t regenerate, which makes the people dependent on big business for food.

Most Certain Thing in the World: Most Americans in the middle class are being impoverished because they don’t understand money.

Organized Medicine: Funded by the pharmaceuticals and it is a system of symptomology. They only address symptoms and have no cures. They use drugs to mask symptoms.

Paper Money: Forced fiat by the government banking system on the people. It serves to steal wealth from the people without payment.

Paper Profits: Are an illusion because there are two kinds of dollars: The real dollar, or gold, and the paper dollar, or nominal dollar. Example: The great Warren Buffett, investor, and his famous Berkshire Hathaway Fund is down in 2010 by 70 percent measured in real dollars (gold). We live in the last stages of the “paper money syndrome” where greed takes over with people trying desperately to survive. Greed destroys morality and, with it, law and order.  The vultures swarm.

Politicians: Whores of the system. They pretend to be for the people but in fact work for and are paid by the government.

Ponzi Scheme: So-called government debt and Social Security. What it really means is there is never any intention to pay.

QE1, QE2, QE3: Cover terms called monetary stimulus which really means just printing money. These are euphemisms for wild printing of money by the Federal government and the banking system.

Reality is strong medicine. It makes most people sick. So I hit you with the strong first so as to get you in recovery before you give up the ghost. Not meant as a joke!

Savings: We are taught to save from the cradle to the grave. There is no such thing as savings in a depreciating currency like the U.S. Dollar. Savings and fiat (paper money) are mutually contradictory. All savings should be in gold and silver if we understand money and government.

Symptomology: Using drugs to mask symptoms and calling it medicine.

Trust the Government and get certain deception.

U.S. Constitution: Historical memorabilia of human freedom, now passed away to the money changers.

Vaccines/Inoculations: These are products of the pharmaceuticals who, in league with the government, force poisons into the bodies of the people.

When did it Become Noticeable that government was entering a new phase of squeezing the middle class? Zero interest ratio and they stopped indexing Social Security. People surviving on pensions and investments can no longer exist on the interest income.

Who Loves Paper Money? Bankers, government and politicians. Why? Because they can steal from the people and transfer wealth to themselves.

World War: Debasing the currency of the world with not a shot being fired, kills more people indirectly.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • sherriww

    @Bob L: Well,though you probably know by now,that I am not of the entire same beliefs as some of your other readers hold,I also do not believe you are entirely wrong either.There is absolutely no doubt that our government is terribly broken right now,and there is plenty of blame to go around for sure.The congress has turned into something we should no longer allow-Period!Whether republicans,tea party,or some democrats,tthe majority of congress is a joke now and actually working against the American public,iinstead of working FOR us,as they are hired to do.I Do Not,nor will I be convinced to blame President Obama for this mess!The ONLY thing I will blame him for,is if he does not this time, literally tell congress” to go to Hell”on any more monkey business,especially on holding this Raising the Debt Ceiling business hostage to wanting a bunch of stuff not concerning anything but each ones idea of”social issues”.I,for one,do not believe the Big Money Boys will even let them get away with that!Yes,we have to cut back on spending but we also have to raise taxes for revenue to rebuild our infrastructure,and put folks back to work,which will pay down the defecit.At the same time we must also take care of our Seniors and our children,and rebuild the middle class.Anything less is UNACCEPTABLE!To quote someone famous”WITHOUT A RICH HEART,WEALTH IS BUT AN UGLY BEGGER!”

    • kkflash

      “raise taxes for revenue to rebuild our infrastructure,and put folks back to work.” Are you daft? When you can’t afford your mortgage payment, you don’t go out and build a bigger house. It’s that kind of reckless spending that put people out of work to begin with. It takes half a dozen private sector jobs to pay the taxes to support one government workers pay and benefits. Those private sector jobs will never materialize if you keep raising taxes. Growing government to try and boost the economy is the old Keynesian argument, and it just doesn’t work. It puts the cart before the horse. Remember that government produces nothing – it only consumes our wealth. The so-called services it provides are primarily to restrict us, regulate us, and take away our liberties and freedom. It needs to be as small as we can possibly make it.

      • Mick

        kkflash

        You’re totally right but trying to reason with liberals is about as usefull as pissing in the wind.

        • Stephan F.

          I agree Mick, kkflash is spot-on. And I like the point you make as it reminds me of this somewhat unknown quote:

          “Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience”

      • Ain’t Gona Happen

        You are misguided when you insist the gov produces nothing.The major repair facilities throughout the country keep the things we need to defend the country at the ready state. What we do not need are full time politians. Give them one session and send them home like many of the states do. They can still remain in the Wall Street pocket.

      • EddieW

        If you hold a view, that you know is truthful and absolutely correct, then find someone with an opposite view, How is compromise possible?
        Liberals have a terrible view of things, they want our freedoms ended, a mountain of evidence will NOT convince them…it is as though they are brainwashed!! Now to compromise with them, you have to abandon your integrity!! Abandon your belief system, and have no beliefs!! Can’t imagine many even able to do that…evideently Congress and the House can!!! AMAZING!!!!

        • spitfire

          Totally correct Eddie. WE need to bow down to them and agree with everything they say, or they have a hissy fit. The only humane thing to do with most liberals is to put them out of their misery.

          • patty

            A hissy fit or pass a law for it.

          • http://N/A Susan

            They already passed the Law against “Hate Speech” That now means to tell a truth of the Islamic teaching of Honor murder(Killing Of their family members for turning from the teaching of hatred for the Infidels USA, Jewish,) Is now considered breaking the Hate Speech Law alone with telling the truth about an Abomnible Sin that the LORD hath had written said and has taught. He has Called it an Abomination, In Romans 1;24:,26:,27: Sodomites and Destroyed a city because of this Abomination in the book of Genesis 19;1:-29: Sodom Exodus 22;19: unnatural sexual relations namely Sodemy according to God, and Websters Dictionary. truth on these two truths and one has been tried for what is now considered a law against hate speech a law now against truth being told???? because of not wanting to accept truth aparrently when it has to do with a teaching of islam from the book of the Koran their book. and the book of those called believers in the Holy Bible & Gospel Jesus the Christ of the Christian faith. How many Christians have MURDERED a Person of Muslim Islamic faith in their Koran Just because OF WHOM they Call Mohammand their GOD yet They even Murder their own for departing from the belief and faith in Their Teaching or daughters being to Much like the People of America Called to Westernized, or being known to befriend a western boy man people. IN the Countries they reside in like the USA, the West. these are truths. IS truth really “hate speech” for a people that consider truth undeniable on these two truths. Christians and the Jewish nor many other faiths Murder another because of their faith belief that I am aware of.

        • Mick

          EddieW says:

          Now to compromise with them, you have to abandon your integrity!! Abandon your belief system, and have no beliefs!
          ******************************************************
          EddieW,,,,,,,,,So true,,,,,,, Then we will only become as mentally corrupt as they are if not careful ,No thanks.

      • http://N/A Susan

        Remember this when one decides to ahh p— in the Wind.. Do not forget When man Creates the Wind it stinks. when God does it, He can blow the P right back into ones face. OR!!! can clear the wind one has got rid of called in English GAS namely a F— What a difference it makes on Who can do both. Man can p, and also break wind. God can turn the p backwards for spit in mans face, or blow the smell that can be made by man or woman quickly away Clearing and Cleaning the air.

        And mankind still believes he can Rule the weather, AL GORE WHERE ARE YOU?

    • Vigilant

      Mr. Livingston’s definition: “Education: Formal education in the U.S. is the same as a government education. The goal of formal education is to control the public mind by controlling our parameters of thought.”

      I’d say that sheeriww proves the ultimate success of this brainwashing.

      BTW, dear, when you say, ”WITHOUT A RICH HEART,WEALTH IS BUT AN UGLY BEGGER!”, you may want to consider that the conservatives and the rich are much more generous with their money for charitable donations than the liberals. That’s a FACT.

      • Vigilant

        Also, regarding education, looks like sherriww was out to lunch during most of her English classes.

        • karolyn

          What does having an opinion have to do with having an education? We’re not all as learned as you.

          • Vicki

            Karolyn writes:
            “What does having an opinion have to do with having an education? ”

            As we have seen often on these pages, nothing.

          • karolyn

            Vicki- So uneducated people have no right to an opinion?

          • libertytrain

            I believe Vicki is saying that based on several of the opinions/posts – an education doesn’t always demonstrate/prove knowledge or understanding of the issues at hand.

          • Vigilant

            karolyn:

            “What does having an opinion have to do with having an education? We’re not all as learned as you.”

            The more educated, experienced and wise one is, the more likely that the opinion is valid. As the old saying goes, “opinions are like a$$holes; everyone’s got one.”

            Knowledge of the language is more vital to the formation of opinions than most people would have you believe. We THINK in our native language, and a poor knowledge of that language leads to a failure to think and express oneself properly, logically, and with clarity.

            As far as being not all as learned as I, I find the often-touted canard that liberals are smarter than conservatives belied by the wacky, quacky, ill-formed and poorly expressed “opinions” of the left much more often devoid of logic and intelligence than what I find on the right.

            What’s worse, the self-esteem movement has been so effective that the young have come to believe that their opinions are valid even if not based on a smidgeon of fact.

          • Vigilant

            karolyn says, “Vicki- So uneducated people have no right to an opinion?”

            No one said that. It’s not a matter of having an opinion, it’s a matter of whether a person can back up the opinion with facts and figures. Simple as pie.

          • Vicki

            karolyn says:
            “Vicki- So uneducated people have no right to an opinion?”

            Since I am not your creator I have no power to determine your rights.

          • karolyn

            Vicki & Thamera – I am quite sure you understand what I’m talking about. Why should someone who cares enough to HAVE an opinion be cut off at the knees and made fun of? It’s called “manners.”

          • Thamera

            Karolyn: I’m not sure what you are implying or even asking, but yes, everyone has the right to voice their opinion, absolutely, and I think all opinions are welcome but without anything to back up an opinion, it is just that, an opinion so be prepared for strong questioning and responses. If you are going to spit it out there, be prepared for what you might get back.

          • patty

            Karolyn-I believe you should have an opinion, but don’t expect others to believe it when in fact it is an uneducated, mis-guided opinion. And to especially make laws to protect you in your opinion to try to force others to go along with said opinion.

          • http://deleted Claire

            I do not have a college education. I sometimes wish I did, I would have become an archeologist. But then I would not have married my husband of 50 years. But I read a lot of archeology journals, etc. when I can. I subscribe to Archeology, Smithsonian and the National Geographic. I don’t have time to read more than that.

          • Vicki

            Thamera says:
            “…yes, everyone has the right to voice their opinion,…”

            I rechecked the Constitution and verified that yes the Constitution does have a limitation on government that prohibits it from restricting everyone’s right to voice their opinion.

            I did NOT find anywhere that government has been delegated the power to force others to listen to that opinion.

          • Patty

            Vigilante – I have found “street smarts” takes you much further than book smarts.

          • Vigilant

            No argument there. As I said, “wisdom” is one of the factors. You don’t get wisdom from anyplace other than in real life.

          • Vicki

            Vigilant says:
            “You don’t get wisdom from anyplace other than in real life.”

            Well hmmm….

            A smart person learns from his mistakes.
            A wise person learns from the mistakes of others.

            I would therefor assert that at least SOME wisdom can come from history (books) which is not something we can experience in real life.

            Well other than when we are making history :)

      • DaveH

        I find it odd that the socialists can paint us as “greedy” or “heartless”, at the same time they are callously helping themselves to the money of unwilling donors through the theft by Big Government.
        They have no idea how the victims of that theft may be struggling, they just want their money. Talk about Greedy.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Also, the way libeerals have turned the safety net into a hammock is very heartless. By working to keep the poor, poor and down on the government plantation is despicable.

          • Vigilant

            They don’t want either a net or a hammock. They believe they are entitled to a Tempurpedic.

        • Vicki

          I have also noticed that socialists always claim to want to spread the wealth around, usually by taking it at gunpoint, but most of the wealth gets spread to just a few elite and their close friends.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Vicki I am a Social Democrat and have never advocated taking any wealth, much less at gunpoint.

          • DaveH

            Are you kidding us, Jeremy?
            Every time you vote for Big Government, you are voting for somebody to take our money at gunpoint. Do you think we donate it willingly?

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Dave if an elected official intiates a proposal for an increase in taxs and the majority vote for it thats not at gunpoint. Though I deplore taxes I dont evade them.

          • DaveH

            It is at gunpoint. Try refusing.
            I have to say, I find you particularly annoying. While you tip-toe through the tulips in your little fantasy world, people who have worked hard to make something of themselves get ripped off by the gang you hire to steal their hard-earned money. You think you are one of the great benefactors. I think you are a starry-eyed thief who hides behind fanciful rationalizations.

          • DaveH

            This won’t mean anything to Tiny Tim, but maybe some others out there will start thinking a little after reading it:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • Vicki

            John should try evading taxes. Since he is not one of Obama’s czars he will quickly find out who points a gun at him.

            John. EVERY time you petition government to fix some social ill you are asking government to do your dirty work for you. You are asking government agents to go mug some people for the money (taxes) you claim you need for your pet social project.

          • Patty

            Thank you Dave and Vicky! Hopefully Jeremy gets it, but don’t hold your breathe! Gee, me thinks the tulips are starting to bloom! :) Good one Dave!

      • spitfire

        To those of you who argue about opinions, remember it takes brains to have an opinion! Idiots cannot form an opinion, only copy others.

    • Anthony

      sherriww is obviously, a SOCIALIST.
      What’s more, she obviously voted FOR the current President, and now expects a free pass on her lunacy. She has NO understanding of the current machinations of Congress, or Finance in its current structure and YOU CAN DEFINITELY TELL that she has not done any homework in any of the regards I have just listed.

      Can’t blame Obama… Yea, right! This BLAME BUSH nonsense is outright hyprocrisy. Bush was in Office barely 8 full months when 911 happened and “oh yea” that was ALL HIS FAULT and the previous Administration has NOTHING to do with it, cause they weren’t in Office.

      NOW, the logic is the opposite when it suits them. It’s BULL$HIT, people.

      Never let a self-anointed social dictator tell you what to think. It’s suicide.

      What a load of crap!

      • Vicki

        Just goes to show that the liberal is ever the prime example of the hypocrite.

      • Patty

        OR, maybe she wears a navy dress…..

    • DaveH

      You want to rebuild the middle class, Sherri? Then we must get the Government out of the marketplace. We must get the Freeloaders out of our wallets.
      The Government has grown 100% since 1950. Why could we get along with half as much Government in 1950 as we have now? Why can’t you recognize that Big Government is causing our problems? The world is littered with the failed economies of Big Government infested countries. Why can’t you learn from experience? Why do you think things are going to be different this time?
      And please, Sherri, don’t confuse charity with theft. It is charity when you give your own money or time. It is theft when you take it from others. Hiding behind the voting ballot is no excuse. If you vote for people that take other peoples’ money forcefully (Government) then you are just as much a thief as if you belonged to a small gang of thieves.

      • Ain’t Gona Happen

        Big gov has only a small part in the failed economy.Look only to Wall Street and the greedy banking system and of course their 104 whores in the senate.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          104? I hope your keyboard misfunctioned.

        • Vicki

          “Big gov has only a small part in the failed economy.Look only to Wall Street and the greedy banking system and of course their 104 whores in the senate.”

          What, and be specific, did Wall Street and greedy banks do to cause the economy to fail? Be prepared to show your work.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEWCnpNnBQ

        • patty

          AintGona – Wall street was just cashing in on the failed policies of Clinton. He is the one who expanded the secondary mortgage for affordable housing to people who could not afford a house. Which was Carter’s start up plan. Then, Clinton GUARANTEED those mortgages to get people into houses and to get banks to lend them the money for the houses they could not afford. The money that the bankers and wall street received was the payment promised by that administration should those mortgages fail. They failed, policy failed, Fanny & Freddie failed and we pay. Nice, real nice.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        “Why do you think things are going to be different this time”?

        Wasn’t Einstein’s define insanity as doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result?

        So, now I must ask if Sherrie is ignorant, stupid or insane?

        • Patty

          It was him or Rita Mae Brown.

        • JerryH

          Bravo, bravo!

      • spitfire

        We need to get rid of 100% of the government and start over, or it will never change. Like the old aaying, One rotten apple will spoil the whole barrel. We cannot afford to start over with any of the current politicians, as they are all “Rotten Apples”.

    • Average Joe

      sherriww,

      It is obvious that you really do not understand monetary theory (Keynesian vs. Austrian) or the difference between fiat money and real money and without that understanding, you are doomed to repeat the same mistakes that have brought us to this point.Might I suggest that you read, “The Creature from Jekyll Island”….read and re-read….until you understand the concept…as well as the reality of the situation we are now faced with.

      To give real service you must add something which cannot be bought or measured with money, and that is sincerity and integrity…..something that Politicians and Bureaucrats have niether of.

      Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
      Douglas Adams

    • Myron J. Poltroonian

      While you probably do have a big heart, the only space between your punctuation marks is mostly between your ears. As the late, great Pat Paulsen used to say: “Picky, picky, picky”. Maybe so, but true nonetheless.

    • http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/the-california-water-v-delta-smelt-war/ Gorba

      @sherriww – You are an idiot. When liberals say “plenty of blame all around, they simply want to include the conservatives in the corrupt business they have indulged in. While I can agree that the conservatives do have some blame, it is Obummer and the DemocRat congress that has exacerbated this mess to a dizzy height. Raising taxes is exactly the wrong direction to go in. First the Government must shrink and cut expenses until they can balance the budget. Then they can on a limited basis talk about raising revenues to pay down the debt, which needs to have a start and end date. If we don’t address it that way, we will raise taxes until there is nobody left to pay in taxes and the country will be bankrupt (which it essentially is already).

    • Nightowl872

      It is now an impossibility to pay down the debt. The closest you could come to doing it would be to layoff thousands of government workers and close useless departments.
      Obamanation has added so many $100,000+ people on the payroll that his budget is in the trillions.
      If the debt ceiling is raised we will more than likely be in bankruptcy next year!

  • Jeremy Leochner

    I think perhaps to a certain extent me and Mr. Livingston can and do agree on the meanings of these words. With all due respect to Mr. Livingston on Education, Democracy, and Consitution I disagree on these proposed definitions being accurate. While I dont doubt there are those who perhaps misuse or attempt to take advantage of all three I do not see such misuse and abuse as the true measure of such things. The reason I say this Mr. Livingston is I worry that these definitions some how discredit or question the idea of formal education or democracy or even the Constitution since you say it is passed away. I dont think you believe that but your article seems to suggest you do. While I understand people may use formal education to push their own view of history that dose not discredit formal education itself. I like to think formal education can encourage students to be more interested in certain subjects and to look more into them rather than just accept what their told-if the teacher is a good one. Also Democracy and The Constitution are still both alive and well and I still believe in both with all my heart. May sound naieve but its what I believe. If such wonderful things as the Constitution or Democracy are being abused then lets work to fix it, not proclaim it to be dead. Lets work to flush out corrupt politicians and the lobbyists that tempt them from the people. Lets work together to get as many people as possible to vote and participate to elect good men and women. If those elected can be elected by getting a majority not simply of the people who vote but perhaps the majority of the people as a whole then we the people can regain control and force the politicians to work for us again. I know what I say sounds childish and fantastic but bear this in mind. If a politician is corrupt what is the right thing to do-vote them out. If someone known to abuse education can be proven or at least verified to be abusing education what to do-stop them from abusing it. Finally if it can be proven and verified that someone is abusing the Constitution then its the right thing to act to expose them. Admittedly it can be difficult for people to agree on what constitutes abuse of the constitution but thats why its important to prove and verify with undeniable evidence. My point Mr. Livingston is I see the relationship of these words and definitions as these definitions being what these words should not be. That being the case lets work to make sure they are not.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Problem here J.L.,(mind if I call you JL?)

      • Cawmun Cents

        By the time you are(“organized”)enough to obtain the hard(“evidence”)which you seek,you are not likely to be able to do anything about the(“problem”).It is how the current(“system”)has been rigged.First you must set your sights on recognizing the certain(“conditions”)which make the(“evidence”)hard to obtain.Here in America,a person is(“presumed”)(“innocent”)until(“proven”)to be(“guilty”).(“Proof”)is not necessarily(“consistent”)with(“evidence”),because the(“defintion”)of any term or(“description”)can and will be debated by lawyers.I highly doubt whether you and I can swim,or(“debate”)with the sharks of(“legal terminology”),so I will spare us the temptation and explain on the level we are accustomed to.You and I get shafted rather easily,because we do not(“understand”)legalese.It is a system by which meanings,and(“definition(s)”)can be(“change(d)”)or(“hidden”),by(“complicating”)(“devisive”)(“legal terminology”),do you follow me?Any(“construction”)of(“government”)will likely be(“inundate(d)”)by(“legal terminology”)therefore(“description”)and(“definition”)can always be vigorously(“debate(d)”).This kind of makes the likelihood of obtaining(“complicating”)(“evidence”)or(“proof”)a bit more difficult,dont you agree?The burden of(“proof”)falls to us,and(“government”)has(“inundate(d)”)their(“legal terminology”)with(“devisive”)(“description(s)”),by which they(“change”)(“definition(s)”),so that any(“evidence”)can be(“hidden”)(“complicating”)our ability to(“presume”)them(“guilty”).Has any of this soaked through our tiny minds yet? Probably not….

        • Joe Serino

          Excellent, Cawmun Cents! Yours is an ability to cut through the maze of deception that compliments Bob’s more direct approach like a hand in glove! Again, the name of the game is corruption. The solution is redemption and humility, truth that is not personal or agenda driven, that emanates from the grace that only our Creator can give us. If we get back to those basics, then maybe we can once again say God Bless America, and he’ll once again listen.

          • Cawmun Cents

            I trust then that you will understand Joe,that I would not have the ability or steadfastness to explain such things,were it not for the Hand of Another.

        • http://WeThePeople Jean

          You are either another lawyer or a law clerk wanting to be one. Save it – We have enough of them in Congress and the House and the one that can not even prove he exists can not even proof that he had clients. Whine – whine – whine or right now I would prefer Wine – Wine – Wine.

          • Cawmun Cents

            The trick is to obtain it from water…..

          • Patty

            But first, you need the grapes! Substance.

        • Average Joe

          Cawmun Cents,

          Definitions depend on which dictionary you happen to be reading….Webster’s Dictionary (a common definition) or Black’s Law Dictionary ( where common words can have a completely different meaning than you think they have).

          He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher… or, as his wife and aquaintances would have it, an idiot.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Ah,,,,prose from an Average Joe,who then throws out the term idiot as if it pertained to what others observe.While it is true that those around you often see you in their own light,one might seek to see the light before trying to see.But what do I know?Apparently very little….

          • Average Joe

            Cawmun Cents,
            Did you hear the “whooosh” as everything I said went past your head? It should have been deafening at the speed it was traveling!

            You live and learn. At any rate, you live.

            If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands.
            Douglas Adams

          • Cawmun Cents

            Do you see what I see?
            Truth is an offense
            You silence for your confidence

            Do you hear what I hear?
            Doors are slamming shut
            Limit your imagination
            Keep you where they must

            Do you feel what I feel?
            Bittering distress
            Who decides what you express?

            Do you take what I take?
            Endurance is the word
            Moving back instead of forward
            Seems to me absurd

            Doesn’t matter what you see
            Or into it what you read
            You can do it your own way
            If it’s done just how I say

            Independence limited
            Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
            Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
            Freedom with their exception

            Do you fear what I fear?
            Living properly
            Truths to you are lies to me

            Do you choose what I choose?
            More alternatives
            Energy derives from both the plus and negative

            Do you need what I need?
            Boundaries overthrown
            Look inside
            To each his own

            Do you trust what I trust?
            Me, myself and I
            Penetrate the smoke screen
            I see through the selfish lie

            Doesn’t matter what you see
            Or into it what you read
            You can do it your own way
            If it’s done just how I say

            Independence limited
            Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
            Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
            Freedom with their exception

            (Bridge and solo)

            Do you know what I know?
            Your money and your wealth
            You silence just to hear yourself

            Do you want what I want?
            Desire not a thing
            I hunger after independence
            Lengthen freedom’s ring

            Doesn’t matter what you see
            Or into it what you read
            You can do it your own way
            If it’s done just how I say

            Independence limited
            Freedom of choice is made for you, my friend
            Freedom of speech is words that they will bend
            Freedom no longer frees you

            Doesn’t matter what you see
            Or into it what you read
            You can do it your own way
            If it’s done just how I say

          • Cawmun Cents

            The above of course is your mantra….

          • Cawmun Cents

            Incidentally the fact that you would have to hitchhike across the universe is not lost on me…..

          • Average Joe

            Cawmun Cents,

            Wow, you actually know how to copy and paste…I am truly impressed by intelligence and inginuity…not!

            Please don’t reply to this…as up to this point, you have been wasting my time….and from this point on…you are only wasting yours…..go ahead…get in the last word….I wouldn’t want your head to explode…go ahead..open mouth…switch feet!

          • Cawmun Cents

            At least my words are mostly my own,instead of quoting lousy sci-fi authors.Look if you want to have a battle of wit…show up with some and I will gladly oblige you.On second thought,why waste my time…..?

          • Average Joe

            Cawmun Cents says:
            April 11, 2011 at 12:47 pm
            At least my words are mostly my own,instead of quoting lousy sci-fi authors.Look if you want to have a battle of wit…show up with some and I will gladly oblige you.On second thought,why waste my time…..?

            Do you hear what I hear?
            Songwriters: BERNARD, FELIX / SMITH, RICHARD B
            ….unless you are either one of these two gentlemen…..they aren’t actually…your words.
            Some of the greatest minds were and are Sci-Fi writers….much of what they write is based on reality…a concept beyond your capability of understanding.
            As for your last question,….because you do it so well…now, pour yourself another bowl of stupid..it is very becomming…. on you….and you wear it so well!
            I didn’t bring any wit…..if I had brought some, I would have an unfair advantage over you…I was trying to speak so that slow brained people such as yourself could understand…..without a 5 year old to interprete for them….
            ……please don’t reply to this message…I actually want your head to explode at this point…but, I know that you can’t resist…because you are just out trolling for someone to argue with….you are that person who always has to have the last word……

            Your Mantra…..”I don’t believe it,prove it to me and I still won’t believe it!”….

            The difference between science and the fuzzy subjects is that science requires reasoning while those other subjects merely require scholarship.
            Robert A. Heinlein

          • Cawmun Cents

            Apparently I havent read great science fiction writers like you have.Vonneghut,Anthony,Bradbury,heck even John Norman are apparently above me.But as far as brilliant minds go,you do not seem to be nubered among them.Just because you read doesnt make you as briiliant as they are.Any one can absorb what another brings.But can you tell those kind of tales?Is your literary knowlege capable?Could you invent a story comparable to one of the classics?Is the ability of Assimov alien to you?What do you know of the trouble with the Standard Model?Perhaps Alcubuierre’s Drive is more your game?Do you realize that under current applied science that the universe is missing 80% of its mass?How is it that they would come up with “dark matter”and the “Higgs Boson” and invent a Large Hadron Collider,in order to substantiate their theory?Well dont be surprised if it doesnt work.Creating black holes in vaccums supplied by men may not necessarily bring forth the key to the universe.But what have you proven if they do?That you can create a set of conditions in a labratory?It would be better if they invested in finding a way to recreate a clean water system for gosh sakes.The issue of science and science fiction is not that they are out of necessity,but that they generate lots of money which can be contrived through government grants.Figuring out how something works is not so much the better than letting how it works,work for you.I dont need a scientist to explain photosynthesis to me.The fact that it is…is good enough for me.It works,so thats good,but what use is that knowledge to me as the Average Joe?Unless I am a botanist or a horticulturist,what has knowing that benefitted me?What does all the knowledge you know amount to?After you die it will all be gone.No one will benefit from you having known the knowledge you have attained.So how has that benefitted you?You cannot pass knowledge of things others have taught you in an institute of learning and have it benefit them by calling it your own.You learned it from someone else.My two math equasions found in another post on this blog.I invented that knowledge,it cannot be attributed to anyone else that I know of.Same with my rant considering the use of legal terminology.It was not a cut and paste.I wrote it.What do you contribute other than put downs insults and daitribe cocerning others apparent faults?Do you have a contribution that others will see as worthwhile,other than the friends you have jump in and say how great you are?

    • DaveH

      Anybody who has watched the John Stossel show, when he has mixed crowds of students and adults, knows better, Jeffrey. The students are overwhelmingly for Socialism, and the adults are overwhelmingly against it. Why is that? You say they haven’t been brainwashed, yet when they turn adults and experience the real world their politics change? Why would that happen if they had a good grasp on reality before entering the workforce?
      I know firsthand, how much propaganda is going on, because I attended college for one year when I was in my 50s. It was shocking. And that was from very intelligent Computer Science majors. Those kids were clueless when it comes to politics.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Please refer to the dictionary and look up the word “plausible”.

      • Carlucci

        DaveH – I was the same way as a college student in the seventies – I was totally clueless, as my political views were from the looney liberal left. Then I had to get a job and support myself. I wised up real fast when I entered the “real world”.

        I even broke an engagement to a long term boyfriend because he was going to vote for Jimma Carter the second time around. My suspicions about the boyfriend were confirmed. He was still clueless, I had “outgrown” him, we had nothing in common, and the Jimma Carter thing was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

        Happy Ending: And then I stumbled on to the Libertarian party and never looked back.

        • DaveH

          Good moves, Carlucci.
          Do you remember in the Jimmy Carter years when the Progressives were trying to pass regulations so that OSHA could come into our homes and check for safety violations? Progressives are rabidly controlling people.

          • Carlucci

            I don’t remember that about OSHA, but it would not surprise me. Isn’t there a similar plan in the works now, regarding energy efficient appliances, and “codes” that everyone has to meet, or be fined?

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Part of the problem Dave is there are people of genuine intellegience who believe in social democracy and other forms of socialist ideologies. Yes people change their beliefs but that dosent equate what they believed when they were kids to simply being propoganda. Afterall I believe in social democracy and I take info from many sources not simply what im told by teachers and educators. I think students tend to experience much theoretical knoweledge in the class room and tend to lean more towrds liberalism like myself. However often in the real world they can become cynical and think such abstract or lofty ideas dont or cant work. I try and be open to all evidence and I certainly have been presented many a time with arguments against even the very basis of liberalism or social democracy. Yet nothing I have seen has been enough to convince me that what I believe is not in the right or at least a good practical idea. I believe Dave that there are people who genuinly believe in liberalism or whatever their ideology based on reasonable and logical evidence that their ideas are compatible in the real world. I believe people who try to push their own views in a classroom wether conservative, liberal, capitilist or socialist tend to be ignored or at least only barely listened too. Unless said teacher has a genuine belief in what their saying and even then their trying to push often discourages rather than encourages people to listen to them, in my experience. I have been to college for at least two years and I have at the same time obtained some albeit limited experience in the real world and have yet to lose the beliefs I developed on my own during my formative school years. So I tend to disagree with political ideologies formed in a classroom being little more than brainwashing or propoganda.

        • 45caliber

          Rather than try to be open to evidence and studying why something might or might not work, actually try to live it.

          Liberalism follows a theory (or dream if you prefer) of how they think things ought to be. A Conservative tries to live based on “learned experience” – his own or history.

          Therefore, if you fail to realize from history (which seems to change every time someone else gets into office) what works and what doesn’t – try living it. There are still plenty of places around the world where socialism and Communism are still in play. Go and live there for a couple of years.

          Then compare living under them and living here. Determine then which has the most functions that work well for the good of all, like medical care, jobs, wealth creation, etc.

          And then you won’t have to constantly study since you already know the right answer, and you can live where you are best suited.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            I suppose 45caliber. In my limited experience I have only lived in America and my understanding is America is the best place for me. However I dont think things are as good as they could be and I think liberalism is the best way to make things better. The problem is practical application and success seem to be just as open to opinion as history at times. That aside like history I think there are certain undeniable facts and I think the simple difinitive fact that liberalism is based on change and trying something new is something that can,will, and does produce good results when supported and watched as closely as any law or legislation should. My experience shows liberalism works. But I have also seen conservatism work too. So I figure a good balance of the two is the best of both worlds. I just happen to show favoritism to liberalism, but thats from my experience.

          • DaveH

            Liberalism and it’s necessary Big Government are based on Force, Jeremy, not your pie in the sky dreams. You make it sound so sweet and innocent. It isn’t. You are voting to take peoples’ money against their will to spend it the way your and your comrades think it should be spent. It is immoral and it doesn’t even work. Even if it were moral to help yourself to other peoples’ money, the facts are that it doesn’t work. History, both past and modern is littered with the economic bodies of countries that have fallen for the Progressive Siren Songs.
            With your good grasp of grammar, I can’t believe you can be that ignorant, Jeremy, so the only other motivating force I can figure is that you are benefitting from the theft, thus don’t care about the immorality or the failed direction you and your kind are taking this country.

          • DaveH

            Liberalism works? Sure, Jeremy, until you run out of other peoples’ money.

          • Thamera

            I think you say a lot Jeremy when you say that you have “some albeit limited experience in the real world”. That alone, speaks Volumes! And since this article began with definitions, perhaps you could share what your idea of liberalism is and especially point out where it has worked in the “real” world, or throughout history for that matter?

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Dave I have never advocated the taking of other peoples money against their will. I have always advocated tax increases based on voted on and accepted ideas. Plus I have also favored decreases in spending to help supplement the increase in revenue. Desiring a policy of equality for all where workers and buisness owners can negotiate and talk rather than fight and where the people are cared for by government under compotent people providing for the general welfare however poetic and romantic it may seem is no siren song if it is possible as I believe it is. It is hard to achieve such things but it can be achieved.

            Thamera: As to liberalism I would like to point out at its heart liberalism is the desire for change and for equality. For instance women and other minorities having a recognized right to vote is largely a result of liberalism. As are laws proventing the use of children as a labor force. The power of Unions to exsist at all was largely a result of liberalism. The reason is at the time these ideas were put forth the conservatives of the time tended to oppose them as such ideas threatened the status quo. Liberalism is the idea of change rather than status quo and I would ask anyone to find an example of any country remaining strong and wealthy by constatnly maintaining the status quo without reform or change. That is where liberalism comes in to help stir the pot for change.

          • Thamera

            Thank you for that definition Jeremy…so liberal then does not apply to being democratic or conservative only an agent for change and equality…so then, you could apply the term liberal to anything that changes, or attempts to change the “status quo”…is that correct?

          • Jeep

            Jeremy, I think I see your problem. Several times you have mentioned that you have always “advocated tax increases based on voted on and accepted ideas”. Follow me on this, but we do NOT live in a democracy. That would be mob rule. The majority in this country were never intended to rule. We have this thing, a really improtant document (I’m sure you’ve heard of it, the Constitution) and it’s pretty clear that we live in a Representative Democracy. You see, this way the mob does not have the power to enforce it’s way on the minority. All this activity is to be goverend by that very important document. I think if you re-read the Constitution you will see it is not ambiguous and that taking something from one group to give to another is not permissable. Period. Yes, we have allowed this to go on for a long time, but that still doesn’t make it right or moral.

      • 45caliber

        DaveH:
        I made a point of talking and explaining politics to my children growing up. They made a point of asking questions whenever something came up that they didn’t understand about it. I can proudly say that all three are conservatives now. One son, in college, joined the Young Democrat Club. I was somewhat surprised and asked him why he did. “Well, they didn’t have a conservative club on campus,” he said. “And this way I can see all the stupid things they come up with.”

        And they did. One question they discussed was the need for gun control. Even the professor – who was anti-gun – was startled at one girl who insisted that if guns were banned that all criminals would give them up. When asked why a criminal would obey that law when they wouldn’t obey others, her replay was, “They just would!”

        • Void1972

          45caliber
          Here is a little story of college and children….

          My Daughter went off to University this past September and when she returned for Christmas break, she had a new view of the world, her professor’s view.
          My baby always had a generous heart for the underdog, as her parents had. We are a very close family who has always given much time and money to our local charities.
          This past Christmas dinner was very entertaining as my Daughter began reciting her new knowledge of affirmative action and how the white man has kept the Negro down. How we owe it to all African American’s and minorities to give them what they need so they can live a life equal to ours.
          How wealth should be taken from those who have too much, and divided among those who have little.
          After a couple of hours of verbalizing her new thought, I asked her a question.
          Mary dear, how is your friend Kathy doing at school?
          Are you kidding? You know how Kathy is doing! While I sit at dorm studying every night, Kathy is out getting drunk and smoking her weed!
          While Kathy has already been with 10 boys, I have met not a single boy because all I do is work and study!
          But dad you already know that because I have a 4.0 GPA, while Kathy has a 2.0!
          Well Sweetheart, this is what I want you to do when you return to school.
          Go immediately to the dean’s office and demand that he take one of your grade average points and give it to your friend Kathy. Now you will both have a 3.0 average and will be equal!
          Are you crazy Dad? How can you expect me to give up something I have worked so hard for while Kathy has done little to no work and is partying her brains away?
          Welcome to the Republican Party dear!

      • Myron J. Poltroonian

        (Notice that it is) “Youth (not wisdom that) is wasted on the young”. I believe both Sir Winston and Samuel Clemens were in total agreement on the subject. However, my son, now 23, whom I’ve been raising as my own since his mother passed away a week after he turned six, finally agreed a couple of years ago on Twain’s wisdom: “When I was 18, I was ashamed of my father and how ignorant he was. By the time I turned 21, I amazed at how much the old man had learned”.

    • Carlucci

      Dear Jeremy, Sherriew, and other posters of the looney left:

      Please read the following and educate yourselves regarding what is really going on:

      http://www.virginianewssource.com/editors-messsage/972-a-deal-made-by-henry-kissinger-decades-ago-responsible-for-current-problems

      AND THEN, watch the following and understand why:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

      Jeremy – Please be advised that America was founded as a REPUBLIC. It is not a “democracy”. Democracy also means mob rule.

      P.S. Everyone on this blog is welcome to follow those links. That last one is a doozy…

      • sylviam

        I learned real fast as a child in the first grade that the rule of law meant “rule of MANS law” now even that in its self can be in ERROR because “man” wrote the law, does that equal all men or just the one that wrote that “law”?
        I also found the “TEN COMMANDMANTS” that was the LAW OF GOD. Now if man followed that law he wouldnt have to be having this debate at all.
        Our POLITITIONS all of them took the oath with hand on the BIBLE and swore to up-hold the “laws” of this Great Nation and the “CONSTITUTION” but now they won’t even say the “CONSTITUTION” is still in affect nor will they defend laws of their choosing.
        There is NO HONOR MORALS and PRINCIPALS about them. Rid us of them once and for all, FOLLOW the Ten Commandments and we can govern our own lives.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

        • Bitter Libertarian

          When it came to who gets paid during a Govt Shut down…did you notice how QUICKLY the politicians USED the CONSTITUTION to Guarantee THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO GET PAID! ;)

      • Vicki

        “Democracy also means mob rule. ”

        And for those watching you only have to watch the protests in Egypt and other middle east countries to see democracy in action. For instance in one video from Egypt I saw about 15 people get together and vote on what to do with a pickup truck. They voted 14-1 to tear it apart. The truck was then dismantled. Democracy, mob rule had indeed come to the sands of Egypt

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Carlucci proven corruption and the actions to be taken against it has no distinction in left or right ideologies. Both denounce and seek to stop it. Though I have no doubt as to the exsistence of bad corrupt individuals and groups who seek to exploit our countries liberties and freedoms I have never been one to believe in new world orders or conspiracies to control countries. Perhaps it could be argued some or any politician can and often are corrupted by power and money that dosent mean the system by which they attained power in the first place is itself corrupt. If these politicians are corrupt and can be conclusivly proven to be with evidence than if the people can be told the truth than matters can be improved. Yes there are bad people in the world but that dose not make the world bad. Yes there are corrupt politicians but however corrupt they may be their actions are primarily in their own selfish interests in the short term pursuit of popularity and reelection rather then nefarious dealings as part of some grand conspiracy or new world order. Finally yes I know our country is a Republic, I just feel it has a Democratic basis of popular votes by the people being the true measure of the better candidates or policies. Its also why I dont believe in world orders or conspiracies. Its my understanding when people stop believing in a Republic is when a Republic trully falls. As Lincoln said ” As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”

        • Carlucci

          Jeremy – You don’t believe in the New World Order? Look at all of the politicos in the film who alluded to it – Bush I, Kissinger, and Obama.

          Wow – go back to your little fantasy world and take sherrieww. with you.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Carlucci I assure you I do not live in a fantasy world where there are no bad people. There are nefarious groups in this world. I just choose to not believe such groups control the world. If we can get people to vote and find corruption we can stop it. You say there is a new world order. How does not believeing such a thing can be stopped help deal with it. I am choosing to believe in our Republic and the people to fix any probelem whatever it may be real or imagined.

          • Vicki

            The question is not “Is there a new world order”. The question is which of the groups that is trying to create their own “new world order” is currently the most dangerous.

            That there are several groups trying to create a “New World Order” with them in control is rather obvious. Just to name one that is NOT hiding behind the scenes we have Islam. They are dedicated to bringing Islam to the entire world. That would be THEIR version of a “New World Order”.

            One of the more poorly hidden groups is the socialist. They are trying in all their various ways to bring about socialism in the entire world. That would be their version of a “New World Order”.

            There are other groups besides these 2. These 2 seem to be the most dangerous at the moment.

      • patty

        Carlucci – Thank you for those sites. WOW. Very interesting. The Utube is almost 2 hours long and I watched all of it. Fascinating. Now what? http://100777.com/plan I have more reading to do.

        • Carlucci

          Thanks, Patty. That YouTube link was sent to me by a friend from Germany. Apparently people overseas are very interested in what is going on here.

          Also, thank you for the other link. I’m bookmarking it.

          • Patty

            I haven’t read it yet. Pretty biblical from the face of it.

  • sherriww

    @Bob L.:Oh,Mr,Livingston,while Ishould be asleep,I just read some news that refers to what I was speaking of earlier,and upsets me so much I just feel I need to get back on here,despite early morning appt.I have. Of course,I dont watch tv much,so I did not know it was on the Sunday morning shows about what Speaker Boehner said about the Debt Ceiling voting coming up! Evidently,Pres.Obama has said now,that he wants a”Clean Bill”on the debt ceiling business,and THEN they can begin all the haggling,with the 2012 Budget bill which will be coming RIGHT up next! I guess Speaker B.said”well,theres NO CHANCE of him getting a” clean bill”,on the debt ceiling!;meaning a bill addressing ONLY the debt ceiling,with NO attachments on it.NOW-Boehner knows as well as I do,that would be the only RESPONSIBLE thing to do! Then go on with all the budget business.For many who do not know,and I was one untl redently,Congress has passed a Debt Ceiling bill EVERY time,without much ado at all,with R&D alike voting for it.NOW,because they want to fight the President on EVERYTHING;And to bow to freshmen congress people,who have NO IDEA what this means,the Republicans;and some others,are willing to push this absolutely Dangerous issueright in the middle of a recovery from a near-disaster that started back in 2007,or before.NO MATTER ABOUT ALL THAT WITH THIS ISSUE!THIS IS NOT just playing with a partial Govt, shutdown.THIS is PLAYING WITH FIRE, THAT CANNOT BE FIXED LATER! If we even LOOK like this might happen,meaning we DEFAULT,we cant back up later!The harm,and the fact our interest rates on all that borrowed money will go Skyhigh overnight!There will BE No worry about fixing our spending then,because ALL of our money will go to pay the interest,just like credit cards will raise your rate to 30/40% if you default even a month on your card debt.SAME IDEA,and no going back.As a side issue,as I said,WAY diff from what went on last week.THIS would mean NO MONEY,NO SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS EVEN,NO SERVICES.WHY?-Because EVERY DOLLAR They can get their hands on has to go to China and whoever else holds our debt,right then,for the interest.Remember ALL OF US,that have worked,WE HOLD $2.5 TRILLION OF THOSE BONDS OURSELVES,for the money owed US borrowed from the SSEC fund-money we paid already!WE ARE actually talking about thiscountry GOING UNDER,all because some want to fight this President on EVERYTHING-And believe it or not,the FACTS are that PRES,OBAMA DID NOT RUN UP THE MAJORITY OF THIS DEBT-HE IS TRYING TO FIX IT FOR US-that is real fact,and we must NOT let a few people destroy us and this country, no matter if we all agree on everything or not!There can be NO COMPROMISE ON THE DEBT CEILING MR.PRESIDENT!TELL THEM NO AND MEAN IT-PLEASE!

    • louie

      you need to go to sleep & stay asleep…you r dumber than dumb…..

      • karolyn

        And to call someone dumb is dumber than dumber than dumb!

        • Thamera

          Then perhaps karolyn, blinder than blind would be more palatable for you…addressing Sherrie’s statements…lol

          • sherriww

            @thamera:You have heard the saying: THERE IS NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE?

          • Mick

            sherriww says:
            April 11, 2011 at 9:13 am
            @thamera:You have heard the saying: THERE IS NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE?

            ******************************
            sherriww,,,Yes, we heard, woderful saying and you’re living proof

          • Cawmun Cents

            I believe the wise man said it best,”You dont get something for nothing.You cant have freedom for free.You wont get wise with the sleep still in your eyes,no matter what your dreams might be.”-Geddy Lee

          • DaveH

            Okay, Sherri, then how about practicing what you are preaching? Take off those blinders.
            Here is a list of countries ranked by their Economic Freedom (How much Government interferes in their economies). Read about the individual countries by picking their links. Then do some backup study about the countries on the bottom of the list (those with the Biggest Governments). Tell me honestly that you want us to follow their examples? Experience has demonstrated time after time that Big Government destroys economies:
            http://heritage.org/index/Ranking

            Why would anybody in their right mind want to pursue politics that are not only immoral, but also don’t even work? I’m not talking about the leaders who always come out on top. Of course they don’t care.

          • karolyn

            It’s a shame that people can’t voice opinions here without being denigrated and belittled. Not everyone is equipped with “the gift of gab,” and can convey what they want to say in proper English with good punctuation. Are we being graded? Yes, I have come down on some people; however it’s only been when they are being total jerks – abusive or rude.

          • DaveH

            I assume, Karolyn, that you are including Sherri in that admonition?
            She has condescended us and portrayed us as having no hearts, just because we don’t happen to think it’s right for Liberals to take other peoples’ money to spend for their own pet projects. And she has referred to us as being “Blind” because we don’t see things her ignorant Liberal way.
            But that’s okay, isn’t it Karolyn, because you agree with Sherri?
            Poor, innocent Sherri. Hypocritic Karolyn.

          • 45caliber

            karolyn:

            We aren’t trying to belittle anyone! We are simply recognizing and commenting on the mental quality of some of those who are writing here. Truth can hurt, can’t it? But that doesn’t mean we should tell “white” lies either.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Actually she is either ignorant, or stupid. (One can be fixed, the other cannot)

          • sherriww

            @oldhenry:There are two things bad for your Heart:Running up stairs and running down people

          • Vigilant

            If that’s true, sherriww, then you’d best stop running down all Republicans, and John Boehner in particular.

          • Patty

            sherrie – what liberal tripe.

        • sherriww

          Karolyn:You are correct,and frankly,for myself,I dont care so much,how it turns out,as long as they are not allowed tohold the debt ceiling hostage to anything!I really am starting to think,that maybe that would be the quickest way to shut these people up,yapping about fixing thity yrs of debt overnight!Let it all go to hell and let them REALLY feel what happens.I will be lots better off than a lot of them will be if this debt ceiling thing blows.Now,I got business the rest of the day&no more time for this nonsense.Have a good day Karolyn,and dont know if you ever knew or liked Bob Hope,but he had a saying too:A PERSON WHO HAS NO CHARITY IN THEIR HEART,HAS THE WORST KIND OF HEART TROUBLE!

          • sherriww

            Wasnt me running john Boehner down.I believe I said that he knows all this to be true,same as I do,but, for the moment,and I hpoe not much longer,he is being held hostage by a few No-Nothings who would destroy us all.

          • Vigilant

            I thought you were going to sleep. Judging by your comments, I think you’re in a constant state of sleeptalking.

          • DaveH

            You better start caring, Sherri. You may think you’re immune, but the ignorant people are going to be the first to be cast aside when the s*** hits the fan. When push comes to shove and the Government finally collapses, those who are dependent on it will be the first to suffer. That’s why the leaders want us to be dependent on Government, because they know those who are dependent will be certain supporters of Big Government. Leaders like their power and perks, and they will do anything to keep them.

          • DaveH

            I repeat, Sherri, you are not talking about Charity. You are talking about forcibly taking money from unwilling donors to suit your purposes. You are advocating Theft, not Charity. Charity comes from voluntary donors giving their own money or other property.

          • Myron J. Poltroonian

            I originally penned this for Harry Reid and the rest of the “Spawn of Unwedded Bliss” in the District of Corruption who “Robbed” my grandchild’s grandchildren’s cradle: Has it ever occurred to anyone that the reason we, in the T.E.A. Party Movement, clean up any mess (if we make one in the first place) is because we are what used to be known as the “Silent Majority” in the Reagan era? We were too busy working for a living; paying the bills, raising our families, volunteering our time and money to worthy causes of our own choosing and paying the taxes to provide all those government buildings, workers, projects and giveaways besides.
            Those are our government buildings, workers, projects and giveaways! We paid for them and we get to decide how our money is spent! That, my dear Hot House Hanna’s, Is The Politics Of It! We ARE Mad As Hell, And We ARE NOT Going To Take It Any More! Finally! We have decided that we will take time off of work and show up and make our voices heard, and don’t give me that effluent about “Government Workers” pay taxes too”. Yes, they do, with tax money confiscated from from the private sector. The taxes you pay are sort of a kick-back to the confiscators. Then, adding insult to injury, your union bosses bribe the confiscators with campaign “Donations” with the part of the taxes that you kick-back to those union bosses which then go to increasing taxes on the rest of us yet again. We Are Broke! If you told your family that, would you expect your kids to demand an increase in their allowance? If they did, what would you do?

            Addendum: To all the “Towering Ivories” out there: Sorry to be the one to have to point this out to you, but, while you’ve apparently been enjoying some of the finer things of life in the Ivory Tower of Academia, your “Chai” has made a “Bitter Brew” for the rest of us indeed. Oh, not in “Theory”, of course. Just in fact. “Social Justice”, by the way, is thinly veiled “Redistributive Economics”; a.k.a.: “Socialism”. One could, to be kind, of course, presume, since Christianity is “So Out of Vogue” with the Literati, that the concept of: “Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life” is so outré. Besides the fact that it would put so many race and poverty pimps out of “work”, i.e.: “Off the “Government Payroll”. (For that is what grants, whether directly from the government, or indirectly from tax exempt foundations and publicly financed salaries are.)

          • JeffH

            Myron J. Poltroonian, HEAR HEAR! I love it and you said it so well, thank you.

          • Patty

            Sherrieww – you don’t have to even admit that you have been in co-dependent relationships. It is all too evident in your posts. Which of your parents was dependent?

          • Patty

            Thank you myron, good post!

    • kkflash

      The reason Boehner refuses to send to Obama a “clean bill” raising the debt ceiling is that it is like throwing gasoline on a fire. You have the collapse scenario backwards. Interest don’t rise because of default (although default will certainly accelerate the rise). No, rates rise because of borrowing beyond our means to repay, creating a greater risk of default. Rates also rise because of inflationary policies, causing lenders to demand higher yields to outpace the falling value of the dollar. Without meaningful spending cuts (at least 10 times the $61B they’re arguing over), our financial house will certainly collapse. Boehner and the conservatives in Congress know this, so they’re requiring spending cuts first or they won’t raise the debt ceiling. Obama and the fiscally irresponsible Dems think they can continue to dupe the public into giving government more control of our money. They also think they can dupe the Chinese, Japanese and the US citizens who own the debt into letting them pay back that debt with dollars that are worth less, or eventually worthless.

      • sherriww

        @kkflash:No,these two things have to be kept separate.They can argue all they want,starting right after that,when they start on the 2012 budget.They cant fix this in a few months,nor do they need to,As long as they keep working at it,they have at least five years,to get good measures in place.If they try to use this debt ceiling and,if they do,I pray the president absolutely refuses to let them,no matter WHAT happens.oh,they will pay the interest on the debt for awhile,but,like I said,they wont be paying anything else,and maybe that is the lesson some people in this country need after all!

        • Cawmun Cents

          This is how Vegas was built.We will give the mark unlimited carte blanche to use his(our)resources,to bankrupt himself!And he wont be the wiser……since we are both the house and the taxman,our regulatory commission will assure us of obtaining all of his resources.Wallah!People like Sherriww and karolyn are born for that system.

        • DaveH

          The voters have finally got fed up with Big Government spending us into poverty. We are simply telling the drunk-with-power leaders that they are going to have to find a new source to support their habit.
          If the Government shuts down, it will be because the party of NO (Democrats) are stubbornly refusing to compromise in their drunken orgy of spending.

        • Patty

          sherrieww – I have really tried to cut you some slack. What is Nobama to you? The ultimate savior? Get a clue honey, when you make comments like “I pray the president absolutely refuses to let them,no matter WHAT happens.” That is turning over our (MY) future to a dictator. Do you have any clue how our gov’t. is suppose to work???

        • Patty

          sherrieww-WHY? Because Nobama says so? They are sooo relted. Why would he give up his Ace in the hole so to speak. Use it to get our defecit down. Why do you not care? Don’t you have children or pay into the tax system???

      • Vigilant

        kkflash,

        You’re absolutely correct on the need to increase the level of cuts. It’s an example of the absolute lack of shame amongst politicians that they cut less than 3% of the 2011 budget and claim that it’s some kind of massive reduction.

        Moreover, the media is absolutely shameful in turning this circus into a discussion of which side won!! There’s only one answer to that question: government won and the American people lost, big time!

    • NC1

      Sherriww, I have noticed a couple of things in your posts that raise questions for me. Do you have any debt of your own, besides your home? If so, then you are a part of the problem. Get rid of your own debt and take a good class on money management. At that point you may be able to see the truth behind the nut that sits in the oval office and all of the other “progressives” (otherwise known as liberal hacks) in this country.

      People spend their whole lives working hard. If they’re smart, they live disciplined lives, avoid debt like the plague, and put enough money back to live comfortably when they retire. If they’re not, they live “paycheck-to-paycheck” trying to keep up with the Jonses and get so far behind on everything that in the end, they HAVE to depend on the government and its mismanagement of funds to support them in their twilight years.

      This mismanagement of funds is what has gotten us into this mess to begin with. Congress has voted to raise debt ceilings in the past, yes. However, under the current administration, the ceiling has raised more than it had probably been reaised under all of the preceeding administrations combined! We’ve reached TRIPPLE TRILLION DOLLAR DIGITS for pitty’s sake! You have no idea how much money that is! If the debt ceiling is raised again, we won’t be able to keep up with even paying interest on the money that’s been borrowed.

      The solution is not to raise the ceiling, but to STOP BORROWING MONEY — FROM ANYBODY! Once you do that, you can begin to get the rest of it straightened out. A Balanced Budget Ammendment would be a nice start, and then buckling down and paying back all of this junk that we owe! If this ountry would just get serious, we wouldn’t continue to be in the mess that we’re in.

      And then let’s get rid of all of this “entitlement” garbage. We don’t need the government to take care of 1/2 of the population. We need the government to stay out of our pockets and let us take care of ourselves! There was a time when communities took care of each other, and neighbors helped out. Now, the government is taking so much that almost nobody can help anybody! Besides, the last time I checked, nobody is actually “entitled” to anything but “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Being born and sucking oxygen doesn’t mean that you have the right to the same standard of life that everyone else has. Working your tail off to get it, however, is a good indicator that you do have the right to the same, or even a better standard of living than someone else may have!

      When families are living on all of this “entitlement” money and they have Escalades and Hummers, $350.00 cell phones, $150.00 cable and satalite packages, and $250.00 tennis shoes, something’s wrong! The system is not working. As I said a moment ago, working your tail off to get what you have is a good indicator that you do have the right to what you have!

      But make no mistake, the Democrats in Washington and elsewhere aren’t really concerned about the little guys. Just look at the studies that have been done of their charitable giving! Most of them don’t even do it for a write-off on their taxes! Personally, I don’t even make enough money to take itemized deductions at this point, but I still give 10% of what I make to church. It’s about doing the right thing, and we need more people that will!

      • Thamera

        Excellent and soooo true! I see it every day! It is nauseating, but dang send me my social security!!! (SSI in this case) Next purchase, my big screen, flat TV without ANY thought to the future! It is sickening (and yes Sherri & Karolyn, I know that doesn’t apply to everyone, but spend one day with me and see how much sympathy you have for those people living on entitlements by the end of it)

        • DaveH

          I’m finally seeing some people talking about the Government selling off some property to pay down the debt. Of course, that is on John Stossel, or Judge Napolitano’s Freedom Watch. Who else but the Libertarians know the real scoop?
          If Government cut spending back to the 1950s levels, in the process closing the Unconstitutional agencies such as the Department of Education and many others, and sold off a bunch of Government property, we could easily recover from this mess. But that would mean that a lot of people would have to seek real jobs providing real goods and services to real consumers. And the Politicians would have to give up a lot of their power. Heaven forbid.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            Jackson cut over 2500 goverment Jobs back when he “Killed the bank”.

            On a relative scale I personally believe that equates to at least 250,000 Goverment jobs that needs to be cut TODAY!

            If I made that number relative to the debt %, compared from then to now then it would be 2.5 million! ) WhooooooHoooooooooo!!

          • 45caliber

            DaveH:

            I agree. But if you check, the government BUYS property every year instead (if they don’t outright steal it!). Why do they buy it? If you ask, you are told it is to be saved “for our children”.

            I don’t know about you but my children are now grown and need that land. But I don’t expect them to sell any of it.

            After all, the government is supposed to own everything (at least by Communist rules). So how can they “sell” something when no one can own it? Unless you sell to China, of course.

          • DaveH

            You’re right, 45, this just came in my email today:
            http://news.newsmax.com/?Z6CDYbGFu52GgBJOOVYDxDE7k3ykxfU1Z

            Can you believe that? And they have the nerve to tell us our Social Security is at risk? This is just an all-out power grab by the evil Socialists.

      • Patty

        NC1 – My bet is she is in hock up past her eyebrows. Mortage (ARM), credit cards: maxed, student loans: default.

    • karolyn

      If the debt ceiling isn’t raised, I heard that no Social Security checks go out, Medicare stops, Unemployment stops, etc. etc.

      • kkflash

        Hmmm … entitlements stop. Now there’s a novel idea. People have to provide for their own needs. That’s certainly a concept that’s foreign to our overspending government representatives. For more than 400 years, this land grew its citizens’ wealth because of minimal interference from government. Only when government began to try and redistribute that wealth did we begin to lose our position as the wealthiest nation on earth. The people need to feel some real pain, so they’ll wake up and realize government can’t tax and spend everyone’s way to prosperity.

        • DaveH

          kkflash,
          Please don’t lump SS into that “entitlement” block. Those people had that money taken from them involuntarily over a 40-year period and they have every right to get it back (with interest even). In my case, for instance, they have taken about $160,000 from me and my employers on my behalf. With just simple CD investment, over those 40 years, I would have accumulated well over $300,000. I have hated the concept of Social Security since I was in my 20s. But I had no choice. And the people that took it from me (for my own good, sure) didn’t even invest it wisely. They squandered it away. If a private company operated their pension funds like Government operated Social Security, their officers would be in jail.
          I want my money back.

          • sylviam

            Thank you DaveH— at age 71 and have had SS cut from my pay check by the GOV. for more than half of my life, I think I DESERVE my small check and the MEDICARE that I get. If it were NOT for my HUSBAND, a VET- DISABLED from the war, I would not get the MEDS. that I need to exist. Now for those that are NOT ex-workers, or the WELFARE, people, they need to get off the GOV TEET and go to WORK.
            If I could work, sometimes TWO JOBS, at a time to have a little something of a nest egg, THEN THEY CAN TOO.
            NO ONE owes them a blessed thing.
            GOD BLESS AMERICA

          • 45caliber

            sylviam:

            I agree completely!

        • http://deleted Claire

          DaveH- You are correct. Social Security is not an entitlement. Like you said, the money was taken out of our paychecks and this money was “stolen” from all of us. It was not money for the government to “take.” Plain and simple it was theft.

          • Patty

            claire – and don’t forget that our employers matched it!

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        Karolyn:

        SS is self-funding. Oh, wait a minute! The whore politicians have been STEALING OUR TRUST FUND BLIND FOR 50 YEARS! The time has come to pay back the IOUs, with interest.

      • 45caliber

        karolyn:

        That is the theory. However, I’ve heard that if you are on the mailnig list, you will continue to get a check. If you are not on the list, you will not be put on it until after the government starts up again.

        If you are expecting a tax return, you will get it if you filed electronically and for a bank transfer. If you filed manually or filed electronically and asked for a check you will have to wait.

        So SS recipients will get their checks.

        • Myron J. Poltroonian

          Beginning in either May or June, according to the letter of notice I recently received, Social Security Checks will no longer be “In the Mail”. They will be directly deposited into your account (or on to a special debit card) instead. The reason given? They, meaning the social security system, seem to be making too many mistakes by using the postal service. After polishing my floor LMAO, I wondered incredulously how in the Hell did they think their error rate would be improved by using government computers (a great track record on those) and the same error prone unable-to-be-fired “workers”? (Yes, that is a trick question.)

      • DaveH

        Karolyn,
        Are you really that gullible? Whenever Government wants to spend more money or resist cutting spending, they always try to scare the voters with such threats. Like cutting police, or cutting firemen. It’s a load of crap. They could easily cut a large amount of fat without sacrificing any essential services.

      • JeffH

        karolyn, that is only fearmongering from Obama, Reid, the Dems and their media partners.

        “People don’t get their Social Security checks.” That was President Obama at a press conference last week.

        And this is Harry Reid, the top Democrat in the Senate, in a statement on Tuesday: “A shutdown could … mean no Social Security checks for seniors.”

        The Democrats are saber rattling, hoping to portray Republicans as irresponsible. And the claim has been repeated by other top Democrats.

        During the last major shutdown, which lasted about a month starting in late 1995, the Social Security Administration mailed checks throughout the crisis, and a close reading of established law makes clear the agency has the legal authority to do so again.

        Robert Reischauer, president of the Urban Institute and a trustee of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds, backed that view, saying claims that benefits won’t be paid are “not true.”
        “The shutdown refers to discretionary spending, and Social Security is mandatory spending. It doesn’t need an appropriations bill to go forward,” Reischauer said.
        http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/23/news/economy/shutdown_social_security/index.htm

        • JeffH

          Medicare and Social Security would continue to pay benefits to elderly Americans because they don’t depend on year-to-year spending measures from Congress.

          • http://deleted Claire

            JeffH– I hope you are right. I know some elderly couples from Church and Social Security is all they have to live on.

          • Patty

            Claire – Just be ready to help them out when everything defaults. I have a couple of retirees that I will take with me to the farm when sh*t hits the fan. Hard workers and full of sustainable knowledge.

        • karolyn

          Listening to a discussion on NPR just now the expert said that if the debt ceiling were not raised, the Treasury Department would not be able to operate, thus, nothing would get paid.

          • DaveH

            And you believe that left-wing tool?

          • DaveH
          • JeffH

            karolyn, therein lies your problem with the gathering of information. Seems the majority of your references come from NPR. Don’t you think that maybe NPR’s credibility should be questioned?

            Remember, last October when they drew criticism over a memo sent from the news department to staffers reminding them that they were not allowed to attend Jon Stewart’s and Stephen Colbert’s upcoming rallies? Juan Williams being fired for a comment he made on another network show and NPR’s Vivian Schiller who fired Williams then nastily said he should discuss this with his “psychiatrist.” How about Ron Schiller, the NPR fundraising executive who was caught making nasty comments criticizing the Tea Party to alleged muslim donors.

          • karolyn

            Is it OK, though to glean information from a conservative person who is interviewed by NPR? I did not get the interviewee’s name; however, given the knowledge he had, I would assume he knew what he was talking about. I don’t believe his politics were revealed, and he was speaking objectively. Why won’t you people cop to the fact that NPR DOES have conservatives on as well as liberals, independents and libertarians? You talk about my mind being closed. Try opening your own once in a while.

          • JeffH

            karolyn, you like so many liberals often do is talk about your open minds.(hypocrisy) You say you’re open minded(you are not)but rely an awful lot on NPR as your source of information. You say the commentor was a “conservative” and can’t remember his name and you make assumptions regarding who and what he was. NPR is a deceptive left biased source of information. Why don’t you verify before you make your comments, it’ll save you some grief.

          • DaveH

            You’re kidding, right Karolyn? You, who has admitted before to not having time to do any reading, are telling us to be open-minded?
            Here, read this, Ms. Open Mind:
            http://mises.org/daily/5198/The-Budget-Battle

          • DaveH

            By the way, Liberals don’t think with their brains, they think with the R-Complex portion of the brain, commonly called the “lizard brain”, which is associated with survival instincts.

            Feed me, waah. Clothe me, waah. Shelter me, waah. Give me Free Health Care, waah. Like a bunch of little babies — Dangerous little babies.

          • Patty

            karolyn-may I suggest you prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Soon, the only one you will have to count on is you. Hope you are prepared, because the rest of us will leave you in the dust. Kind of like the hare and the tortoise fable. If you have nothing to bring to the table you will not be sitting at the table.

      • Laurie, Haslet, TX

        No they WON’T. Thats the doom and gloom coming from the progressives. It goes against their agenda of TAX AND SPEND to TOTAL economic destruction so they lie about things like this all the time!

        An excellent example of the most recent LIE – Planned Parenthood defunding. The Progressives claimed it would keep women from getting Mammograms and other services – NOT CURRENTLY PERFORMED by Planned Parenthood EVER – so how would defunding it have any impact?

        • Patty

          Laurie, not only that, defunding PP will NOT shut them down! They act like gov’t. funding is there only revenue. Gates and the like funnel BILLIONS to PP.

      • Patty

        Karolyn, Nothing is going to stop but a couple of parks and tourist sites will not open. This is the same demcratic BS of doom for all if you don’t let them do this or whatever. Why do you think they threaten the most vulnerable? They want to insite panic and discourse.

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Well, it seems unclear if you are one of the ignorant, or one of the stupid.

      We are in this financial mess becasue members of both parties have voted to increase the debt ceiling with no do consideration.

      The whore politicians have been boiling the frog, and filling their pockets at our expense for decades and the brain-dead, lazy American public have simply yawned and gone on their way.

      Well, the pot is coming to a rolling boil and it’s time to put out the fire. Hopefully there will be enough spine to NOT raise the debt ceiling. If the whores do raise the ceiling there must be major custs in spending along with it.

      The cuts must be made from the actual line item budgets, not cuts to the proposed increases in the budgets. That is, say an agency had a budget of one billion last time around. The new budget for 2012 should be 500 million. (For you supporters of Little Barry that is a 50% cut)

      Congress’ dirty little secret that 99% of Americans are not aware of, and I suspect you are in the 99%, is that they use what is called base-line budgeting. That method gives agency budgets an automatic increase of, I believe, 7%. So, when anyone wants to increase LESS than that amount they are demonised for cutting a budget. That is why Reagan was continually beat up for cutting even though budgets continued increasing.

      The time has come to rip the wheels off Washington D.C.

      • Ain’t Gona Happen

        As a retired DOD executive, I speak from experience when I say that
        your previous budget MUST be all spent or it will fall to the level of your current yearly spending. It is near impossible to recover in later time of real needs. You would think that thanks would be in order for being conservative.

        • DaveH

          Thank you for your honesty, Ain’t.

        • Myron J. Poltroonian

          While it is the military that traditionally bears the brunt of this particular criticism, it is abundantly clear that they are not the only part of the government of which it could be said that :”Intelligence is an oxymoron”.

        • Patty

          And Myron, isn’t it strange that constitutionally, the military is suppose to be the prime function of the federal gov’t.?

      • Chris

        Old Henry: The wheels fell off a long, long time ago.

      • Patty

        Here is an interesting pie chart for 2010 expenditures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fy2010_spending_by_category.jpg
        Defense is less than social security and less than 19% of our overall budget. The main purpose of our federal gov’t. is <19% of our budget. Social security is a bigger ticket item @ 19.23. About 21% is Medicare and Medicaid. The rest is discretionary. We could cut constitutionally 40%, 50% if we got rid of just some of the blatent fraud in all of it from our budget. Scapel?, Machete?, Screw that! Where is my chain saw????

    • Vigilant

      My God, sherriww, it’s not just your abysmal lack of education in English, your very thought process is short-circuited as well.

      • Patty

        Vig-I think that comes from shock treatments. She did have an important something on her calendar…

    • Denise

      It is better to keep one’s mouth shut that to open and remove all doubt that you are a balsted idiot!!!

      • Denise

        Oops, that would be blasted

    • DaveH

      What is dangerous about the Big Federal Government stopping spending 25% of our money for a while? Is it dangerous because the victims of your Liberal theft might realize how little we really need this Big Government?
      The Federal Government in 2009 spent $1.4 Trillion more than it received in revenues. That amounts to over $4300 for every man, woman, and child in this country. Considering the average family size is about 3.14 people, that means the average family is on the future hook for over $13,000/year in additional debt. That is going to continue occuring until we get a handle on the out of control Federal Spending. State Government spending is also out of control.
      If the Republicans don’t do something soon, Sherri, to stop the insanity, you are going to experience pain like you’ve never experienced before. The most useless people are going to be the first to be thrown under the bus.

      • Patty

        (That would include YOU, Sherrieww

    • http://charter howe

      sherriw—It is getting frightening because America is drowning in debt and the government seems to have no interest in reducing spending. Spending continues out of control, and unemployment is astronomical and the Obama Justice Department has turned racial preferences loose again and the White House encourages radical union leaders who storm troop through Madison and other cities in America chanting socialist slogans we thought were yesterday’s news. What is going on? At a time when America needs strong leadership, we have a President who alternates between dangerous hesitancy and equally dangerous recklessness; someone who seems truly committed only to one thing—using leftist ideas to radically transform this country into a banana republic. This President is in his third year and the audacity of blaming Bush, for the 5 trillion dollar debt Obama has incurred, while he has been at the helm is unconscionable. Get your head out of Obama’s ass long enough to get engaged and realize the real truth before this country turns the lack of leadership and lousy fiscal responsibilty into a major civil uprising.That is exactly what is happening in Greece. When the democrats fight for funding to abort babies, which is in my opinion cold blooded murder then I think our ideology will never see compromise. One of the riders on the last budget cut was taken off the bill by the democrats because they use the term of planned parenthood needing the taxpayer money for counseling pregnant mothers. When Obama finishes taking from the rich and giving to the poor, you willl find that most rich people will take their wealth and business’s to other countries and the poor will no longer have entitlements because their will be no one left to pay the revenue that it takes to maintain the entitlement crowd. Can you not visulie this event, because it is happening in other countries as we speak in case you don’t understand what all the riots and fighting is all about in dozens of foreign countries.

      • Patty

        Well said and I hope Sherrieww is taking notes.

    • Vicki

      Sherriww writes a lot of stuff that seems to say we should raise the government credit card limit so we can borrow from the credit card to pay the interest on the credit card.

      I think she then said we had to do this or the credit card company would raise the interest rate.

      It is really hard to not point out how foolish such a financial decision that would be.

      • Patty

        Well Vicki, why can’t we do what other people do that over extend themselves on their credit card and re-negotiate so we pay no interest but at least our debtors will get their principle back?

        • Vicki

          We, The US Government, might have to do that soon. For the moment the government can still print paper (fiat) money. We could as individuals print paper notes and call it money but no one would accept it as payment for our debts.

          That is the key difference. The paper “federal reserve notes” the US Government prints ARE accepted by some creditors. The question to ask is for how much longer.

    • patty

      Sherrieww-Please watch what calucci posted. Set aside 2 hours and watch it. I would like to hear what your thoughts are on it. Honestly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

      • Patty

        Sorry Carlucci, I miss-spelled your name.

  • Fly By Night

    Okay… I eight my breakfast. :-)

    • Carlucci

      LOL !

    • TIME

      FBN,
      Ok, I have to ask do you now feel a sense of infinity?

      LMAO!!!!!!!!

      A+++++++++++

    • Average Joe

      Fly By Night,
      I “et tu”….Brutus?

  • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

    “Gold and Silver: Real money that 90+ percent of the people don’t want, don’t value and don’t know anything about.” I absolutely disagree with the percentage of 90% not wanting gold or silver. I think a lot more people would actually want gold or silver. The main problem with owning gold or silver is that it is way beyond the average person’s income level to be able to afford gold and even silver is getting to that point. While most of us informed are working hard to build up our food stores and such, we simply cannot afford the luxury of obtaining gold and silver. Also owning gold and silver is not something you can use to purchase anything on the open market though some states have plans to make it a legal tender. Nor do we have to the funds to invest in gold or silver. As stated before our extra funds go to stockpiling food and other life essentials in preparation for a total economic collapse.

    • Vigilant

      “Gold and Silver: Real money that 90+ percent of the people don’t want, don’t value and don’t know anything about.”

      Dan, I believe Bob is close to the mark on that estimate. It’s also my belief that those who cannot afford it or who have no interest in it (both, in my case), will be the real winners in the case of a global economic meltdown, IF we are assiduous in storing and growing/raising our own food, have a reliable source of water, and the common sense to have weapons to protect our stores/lives.

      Last I heard, one cannot make a casserole or omelet out of gold or silver.

    • DaveH

      Speaking of Silver, how many of you have heard about this travesty?
      http://avstop.com/march_2011/bernard_von_nothaus_convicted_of_minting_his_own_currency.htm

      Government doesn’t like anybody competing against their monopoly.

      • Vicki

        That particular incident is especially troubling since there is NOWHERE in the Constitution that We, the People are prohibited to coin our own money.

        • DaveH

          And the authorities have referred to him as a “counterfeiter” and a “terrorist”. His coins are clearly not trying to imitate US currency (why would they, they’re worth much more). And if he’s a domestic terrorist for coining sound money for his customers, then what the heck is the Federal Reserve for printing unbacked paper money?

          • DaveH

            Clearly the politicians are protecting their own a***s, not ours.

    • Myron J. Poltroonian

      If “The Balloon Goes Up” I can get all the silver and gold I need with the lead I have on hand. That is the most valuable commodity.

      • Patty

        funny Myron! When my ballon goes up it means something is fermenting!!!

  • Joe Serino

    Bob – I think the subtlety of truth was captured so skillfully in your letter that the others who posted here missed it. The original intent of the tenets and institutions of our American Society have been corrupted and perverted. We have lost the original intent and are left with the cynical definitions born of corruption that you have so elegantly captured. Bravo. Now, we have to act as if we know the true meanings of these words, which come from humility and faith in God.

    • Thamera

      Ditto

    • Cawmun Cents

      Some on this thread miss it intentionally Joe.As opposed to Average Joe who just doesnt get it.

      • Average Joe

        Cawmun Cents,
        If you want to address my comments, address them to me …at my comment. As for your statement that I don’t get it..this comming from someone who quotes Geddy Lee…bassist for Rush? You are laughable at best and moronic at worst.

        Maybe you should give up the monniker of Cawman Cents…and aquire some Common Sense……something that you obviously lack….TOAD!

  • Mick

    Bob Livingston says :

    Formal education in the U.S. is the same as a government education. The goal of formal education is to control the public mind by controlling our parameters of thought
    ***********************************

    Bob…We put it differently but we’re not that far off……..

    education:

    A perfect tool to deprive the populace of common sense and to lead them to common thoughts making them easier to control…………..
    A well adjusted institution to confuse what should be simple and teaching young mind that in order to go from “A ‘ to ” B you must go all the way to “Z” and retract…

    • Anthony

      You forgot OBJECTIVE THOUGHT

    • Chris

      Public education exists to make compliant citizens. Question everything!!!

      • Myron J. Poltroonian

        Another great quote from the sixties through the seventies: “Question Authority!”. One that they (the “Progressives”) fervently believed in until they became the “Authorities”. I came up with this not too long ago: “If Not Us, Who” If Not Now, When?” Ran the sing-song mantra of the left in the sixties and seventies. Well, regarding the current iteration of our cyclical “Oil Crises”, please allow me to offer the following: “If not Here, Where? If Not Now, When?” In fact, this leads me into the following observation: Considering the turmoil in the Middle East currently, and, in the spirit of the ethos of the left in the sixties and seventies’ and their famous: “What if they had a war and nobody came?” query, I’d like to propose the following question of my own: What if “They”, the TEA Party Movement, had a demonstration on the Capitol Mall, and nobody left? What if it grew, day by day, demanding “His” resignation? WWOD (What Would Obama Do)? Would he act like Mubarak? Or Khadafi? Just wondering. What do you think? (Bye the bye, TEA Party demonstrations are peaceful, not violent. We even pick up after ourselves, and, we do not deface, desecrate or destroy property, public or private, at our gatherings. Unlike recent protests by public union employees have.)

        • Patty

          Hear, Hear Myron!

  • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

    Well said Bob. For those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

    Stupid is forever. Ignorance can be fixed…

    • Al Sieber

      I agree with you Henry.

    • Dan az

      Henry
      stupid can be fixed but its illegal.

      • Patty

        hey! Don’t be talkin about my dog that way! She is blonde and beautiful!

    • Carlucci

      “Stupid is as stupid does”. Forrest Gump

  • Amy

    Bob Livingston sounds too negataive, there is much truth in what he wrote. Our “formal education” system has become an doctrination of the youth into thinking they have been educated..
    Our Constitution is not a democracy but a republican form of government that has been destroyed by “democracy.”

    The government needs to back the money it prints with gold and silver; but the average person cannot go to the gorcery store carrying a bag full of the prescious metals…so there for paper money is needed, but needs govenment backing as such…

    Raising the debit ceiling is not the answer for it only increases the debt; LOWERING the budget is the only answer and one quick way to reduce it is to cut out all foreign aid money given directly to countries besides not “forgiving” debts owed for military and other products we ship on “credit” which is then dismissed.

    We have made our adversares rich by not producing all products we can make here in our own country–keeping the wealth here; Hitler did this in Germany which brought it out of the “great depression.”

    We need to elect truly patriotic Americans to government and that will only happen if each Congressional District makes a concerted effort to find such people and then kick out the foreign intruders who push those candidates who want to do to Washington for a job, and not do a job for their country, who accept their bribes andthen forget about the voters who put them there.

    George Washingto said: Govenment is not reason, it is not eloquence–it is force. Like fire it is a dangerouis servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.

    Thomas Jefferso warned in 1784: Our rulers have become corrupt, the people careless–it is time for fixing every essential right on a legal basis or will continue to go downhill until the people are forgotten, and their rights disregarded completely,the shackles will not be knocked off but will remain on for a long time, becomig heavier and heavier till our rights shall revive, or expire in a convulsion….

    • Vigilant

      Amy says, “We have made our adversares rich by not producing all products we can make here in our own country–keeping the wealth here; Hitler did this in Germany which brought it out of the “great depression.”

      Just to be clear: Hitler’s whole mission was to gear up for war, and it was with that aim in mind that he built his industrial base. It was that war that brought the USA out of the Depression, not government policies.

      • DaveH

        That is the common impression. But did it?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQFhm4s_-Pk

        • DaveH
          • Vigilant

            Dave, I’ve checked out both of those links. The first one, “Bastist’s Legacy,” doesn’t hold water, in my mind. You must pardon me if I never heard anyone say that a natural disaster, or 9/11, acted to improve an economy. Have you?

            There’s a great difference between say, the earthquake in Japan and the economic situation surrounding WWII. A devastating earthquake destroys infrastructure and, as Japan is experiencing now, causes tremendous setbacks for a nation’s economy.

            For all of its broader symbolic significance, 9/11 was physically only a local disaster that destroyed very little of the economic activity in America.

            WWII, on the other hand, created no massive infrastructure damage to the USA. Our continent was never invaded, our industries were not bombed out of existence, and our industrial power was able to put to work millions of otherwise unemployed people. It was precisely the fact that war became a reality that the rusty wheels of commerce began once more to move, albeit tragically greased by the blood of patriots.

            The second link, I feel, makes the statement but fails to make the case. Carden and Higgs subscribe to the rather tenuous argument that it was the relaxation of New Deal regulatory restraints after the war that caused the economy to recover. While it’s generally agreed that FDR’s policies lengthened and deepened the Depression, it’s hard to swallow that the war had little effect on the faltering economic engine.

      • Vicki

        Vigilant writes:
        “It was that war that brought the USA out of the Depression, not government policies.”

        That is what I was taught in school. However based on experience and study since, (including Bob’s description of education :) I have come to doubt this “common” knowledge.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Well if you do not see that its either appeasement or out and out world war,then you have been wearing blinders.You are living in a pre-WW3 world.This however is different in that the type of war being fought is idealogical in nature and not national in nature.Make no mistake,our nation is in peril.But that peril comes from within,not from another source.It is a gathering of forces who stay hidden from sight,and attack our minds,and the foundation of our liberty.You either have the foundation or you lack it.Many in our nation and around the world lack it by choice.You can only redistribute wealth,if you convince the people it is the way to happiness.Equality is seen as good,and advantage is seen as evil.Just ask the teacher at school what they think,aggragately,and see what the formula is.Everyone will become an Average Joe.If you think I am picking on this person or making this up,chances are you will become an Average Joe.That is the underlying agenda.To make you an Average Joe and help you to become an Average citizen on an Average planet.The forces which are setting this up are the same ones that seek for you to doubt your capacity to do something about it.They want you to argue over the petty things and disregard the ones that are the exception.They are banking on you giving up your nation and your identity as Americans.They want you to be an Average World Citizen,not an American.And if you do not want to partake in their World of the Average,they would see you dead.But I for one would rather be dead than to live in an Average World.Seems like I will eventually be confronted with that situational reality.Here is to warfare and the capacity to choose what side I am on.
        “I would rather die as who I am,than live as who they want me to be.”-CC

      • Myron J. Poltroonian

        Vigilant and Amy,
        I do not wish to become an adversary by appearing adversarial , however, one is judged as much by how one says what it is they have to say, as they are by what it is they have to say. (Jus’ Sayin’.)

        • Vigilant

          Myrron,

          “I do not wish to become an adversary by appearing adversarial , however, one is judged as much by how one says what it is they have to say, as they are by what it is they have to say. (Jus’ Sayin’.)”

          I don’t disagree with you at all, unless I’ve failed to read between the lines. How one expresses oneself, as I said, is a function of clear and logical thinking, combined with a good knowledge of the medium (English) through which it is imparted. A knowledge of the subject matter is a prerequisite, as is the intellectual honesty of the speaker.

          • Vicki

            Vigilant writes:
            “A knowledge of the subject matter is a prerequisite, as is the intellectual honesty of the speaker.”

            Too bad the “scientists” involved in the climate-gate scandal didn’t understand the 2nd part of your statement.

    • 45caliber

      Let’s lower the budget by cutting ALL money given away by the government.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Bob So much truth in what you say. I would add that we were endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness but without the Creator, these for the most part have been lost.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      1000% True! If only the Politicians would hold these TRUTHS to self evident.

    • Cawmun Cents

      It is called Mathematics Mr, Ledbetter,let me illustrate.These are equasions which only the chosen few can figure out.Here goes……..Anything – God=nothing, God + everything=truth and life. These are the equasions that the blind leave out of their computations,causing their math to be faulty.It is the very reason our system is collapsing.Notice too,that they will point the finger elsewhere,overlooking their own culpability.I believe an historical figure once washed his hands and thought of himself as being clean of the culpability.He,like those who deny the above equasions,may find out that they were mistaken.What irony in the face of certain doom.When disaster is on the doorstep,adding two and two together and getting four may be a little too complicated to be adding integers,and fractions into.But it will be done in the name of Truth,Justice and the scientific way.Kind of sad isnt it?

    • Vicki

      Here is something that can never be lost. It is a self-evident truth.

      First Principle. Your Creator gifted you with life and free will.
      How you use those 2 gifts and how you honor these gifts in others,
      defines your moral character.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    Not exactly what I expected when I saw the title of the article.

    I’ll give my own contribution, for instance did you know that the definition of Income has changed in the last 125 years? Originally Income was what a Business earned, IE the Company. People/Humanoids earned wages because what a Human does is directly related to their bodily/mental actions/contributions.

    Why is this Important? Because back when the Income Tax was created it was for Business, NOT individuals. Websters dictionary (a very important source) dated from when those laws were enacted the word Income clearly applies Income to The Businee entity.

    Today the “New World” dictionary says Income is from a person. :)

    The next Word is Liberty…check it out on your own and I think you’ll find there is little to NO liberty left in America. I dont mean that against Politicians or Goverment only either! The root Cause rests with American Citizens! We ourselvs do not practice Liberty in our own lives and have lost the meaning of the word and how we should apply it.

    • Carlucci

      And the definition of a “person” is a corporation or some other legal fiction.

    • DaveH

      Bitter says “We ourselvs do not practice Liberty in our own lives and have lost the meaning of the word and how we should apply it.”.

      You are so right, Bitter. It is hard to go from day to day without one person or the other stating why something that annoys him or her should be outlawed. The leaders, who are always happy to grow their power and perks, pick up that ball and run with it.

  • TIME

    Bob, Good blog.

  • Bert Cundle

    Who useses the Dictionary any more? The Spell Ckeck is all we need anymore… We have our own Diffinations!!! In our own Language! “No one else realy matters!”

    • Mick

      Bert Cundle..
      Are you really trying to be funny ???
      What happened to your spell check, is it on strike?

      Diffinations,,,??????????????????????????????

      • Bert Cundle

        It passed Spell Check… But, Dif… was in the dictionary… PERFECTION is so hard to achieve…

        • Mick

          Bert Cundle says:
          April 11, 2011 at 9:48 am
          It passed Spell Check… But, Dif… was in the dictionary… PERFECTION is so hard to achieve…

          ****************
          Bert,,, Don’t mean to give you a hard time , I think( I hope I’m not wrong ) you’re one of the good guys but spell check corrects spelling not definitions.

      • Carlucci

        I think the keyboard gremlins temporarily took over his keyboard.

        • Bert Cundle

          There realy is…keyboard gremlins!!! Not this time thoe… But it is dark in here,,, My Rant & Rave: The dictionary has several Difinations, for each word one spelling & Several spellings for one word! PUPLIC SCHOOL & CHURCH SCHOOLS IN COMPLIANCE, (ACORDING TO LAW!)

    • Vigilant

      If more people used the dictionary, it would severely limit the “spin” and propaganda machine of lawyers and government.

      Words are damned important to the functions of clear thinking and reasoning. Mr. Livingston’s article just proves it. In a tragic kind of way, it’s tongue-in-cheek, but displays very succinctly the fact that definitions have become relative rather than absolute.

      Hell, he even uses the word “definition” incorrectly. Many of the “definitions,” strictly speaking, are not definitions at all, but descriptions and side comments. I’m not taking him to task for this; on the contrary, he proves his point.

      • Cawmun Cents

        I have always noted that by”definition”90% of the populace could be construed as schizophrenic,or bi-polar.This makes pharmacology a vital source of delivering confusion.Illicit drugs often cause people to think differently.As opposed(pharmacologically),I suppose,to thinking as you are told to think,which is necessary for complete indoctrination.So some drugs are illegal,and others are given to us freely by our physicians.(By freely I dont mean it doesnt cost you money by the way.)Isnt it strange that once all the twentieth century”testing”(it appears we can learn a lot from dead Nazis)had been completed,suddenly now,there is a whole generation of young people,who cannot see clearly what is now happening to our once great nation?Not that the genetic food manipulation,media corruption,and general malaise have nothing to do with it,rather they compliment it well dont you agree? Yes the levels of corruption and the scope of it is not easliy recognizable is it?Do we see it as the conspiracy theorem of the day?Possibly.Again I ask you to go to the dictionary and look up the definition of”plausible”.Healthcare is another way of controlling the Pharmacology of the American citizen.It is not just 1/6th of an economy,but 1/4th of a”change we can believe in.”Knock,knock McFly……

        • Carlucci

          Cawmun – I don’t know if you’ve seen this, but it is well worth the time:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mjiltwly7M

          • Cawmun Cents

            There are those who argue with the scientific solution to psychoanalysis,and those who are subject to it.Those are the two sides which were referred to earlier.Those who believe that pharmacology is the way to find what is lost will always be subject to that method whether it works or does not.Once you start trying to balance the emotions using chemical stimuli/suppressors,your brain lets those chemicals do the work and forgets how to do it naturally on its own.It often results in relying upon chemicals to do the work it(the brain)is supposed to be doing naturally.The brain is miraculous in that it will often rebuild itself if not irrepairably damaged.Howeever when chemicals are used in order to compensate in this regard,the endorphins released by the chemicals will often cause the brain to rely upon the placebic nature of said chemical,and cease to perform the normal function of releasing its own endorphins.Thereby a slave-like symbiosis is formed where it is possible none were necessary.This is assuming that over the long haul,said chemical was functionally sucessful.You only have the word of a trained professional(or perhaps several)to ascertain what chemical is best used for the purpose intended.That is assuming that you can be trusted to take the chemical as directed.And assuming that the correct diagnosis has been arrived at.The chances of all those criteria being met and maintained is astronomical,in the scheme of sheer numbers.So when we see so many people who cannot functionally deal with their life issues,pharmacology seems to be the quickest solution.I do not particularly share in that asessment,but I do understand the dynamics of forces which we cannot easily peceive,playing a part in the strategy for dealing with this issue.I merely choose to see them differently.

          • Patty

            if you tell repeat a lie long enough, to enough people, it will become fact. Another good post carlucci!

        • 45caliber

          The more things they can list that makes it seem that you are “ill” the more money they can get by treating you for it. It wasn’t that long ago that the psyciatric book listing those “illnesses” doubled in size in one year alone!

    • 45caliber

      Bert:

      Didn’t you mean dAffinitions??

  • http://com i41

    Mick, you hit that point on dead on. I have got to watch and tryto talk to the multi economic degreed idoits coming out of our colleges. The professors of these elit colleges never have done a damn thing in life but be a stuffed shirt spewing b–l s–t. They can write and put into packages figures and make everythig look prosessionally done. But when it gets down to the nut cutting and really knowing where and how the figures , they all fall down. Just take all the beltway book trained dumb bastards like, Onumnutts in Cheif, the agency wonks who drft the regulations, throw in the over load of parasitic lawyers, and then top it off with all the envior feel good simpletons. They live in a airy fairy world, as they have been doing from the time they have been in school. Amy, when liberrial progressive soros socialists think everyone needs a formal degree from colleges, paid by tax[ayers, it is just more stupidity at it prime. We have a nation of dorks that need to be entertained and coddled, they work harder vacation than on producing something useful. As my parents used to say when growing up and whining about not having any fun, their responsonce was fun and vaction is just another form of work. We are overloaded with slubs that will not work over 40 hours a week, work shifts, or do any manual work, especally the one coming out of our higher education institutions, I know I have some realitives that have idian hertiage that I give crao to about tey would have dies of starvation because they would have been to lazy to steal, but would have died from sitting on their rears.

    • Mick

      i41

      I call them the way I see them , I found that in the long run being blunt attract the worthwhile folks and keep the idiots at bay………

    • 45caliber

      One problem is that all these “economists” don’t really believe in the Law (not theory) of Supply and Demand. They are certain that they can come up with a theory that will disprove it called Socialism.

  • http://personallibertynews Jane

    Did I read correctly? You do not believe in innoculations or vaccinations. I agree economically, but believe you err if you believe that innoculations and/or vaccinations are made to poison the population. I must have not understand that. Help anyone?

    • Bitter Libertarian

      There is proof that a sampled vaccinations have mercury & other heavy metals in them. This proof came from independent labratories who analized the vaccines. Children who have experience adverse reactions to these vaccines have needed to have a Heavy metal detox over the course of months to remove the metals. The source was determined to be the vaccines.

      The adult versions of these flu, and other seasonal vaccines are no different, testing has revealed.

      Perhaps its poor production process, but until its resolved, I’ll not get another shot.

    • Carlucci

      Yes, you read that correctly. You might as well inject yourself with poisons. Vaccinations are the same thing.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Carlucci, Vaccinations never worked for me, I had the chicken pox, the reg Measles and the Germans measles twice each.

        • Carlucci

          Angel – So did I! I never took another vaccination after the age of fifteen. I refused to take the swine flu vaccination in the seventies when two women I worked with came down with Guillain Barre Syndrome a few days after they got the shot. I did not think that was a coincidence.

          Then, in 1987 when my husband and I were living in KSA, we wanted to go to Kenya. We had to take a yellow fever vaccination and present our vaccination papers at Customs or we couldn’t get in. It was advised that we take the shot a couple of weeks before we traveled, because we might have a “reaction”. My husband was fine, but it made me sick.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Carlucci, I don’t get any kind of shots unless I’m half dead! Screw that!__Ya ever hear all these meds advertised on TV with all the possible side affects?__They have to provide those symptoms, even if they aren’t directly associated with the meds, just because they could be.__Then theres the lawsuit ads such as, for Fixodent for zinc poisoning and the like, they make me frickin sick!_-They promote lawsuits and which I think should be illegal for lawyers to advertise for!

          • Carlucci

            Angel – I agree. Why would anyone take those pharmaceuticals when the list of side effects (like “death”) is a mile long.

            There is a personal injury attorney in my city who is filthy rich from lawsuits over damaging pharmaceuticals. I think he won the big one that got a lot of press on Celebrex (?) – the “medication” that killed the guy who worked for Walmart. Obviously this guy knows what he is doing, as he is so wealthy that he can hire entertainers like Sting to play his Christmas party. I don’t know this attorney personally, but friends of mine do and they say he’s a great guy. I’ve also heard him do Bible studies on Christian radio.

            The big pharmaceutical companies put aside a percentage of money every year to handle all of the lawsuits against them, but it is a drop in the bucket compared to the money they make off of sales.

          • Patty

            Carlucci – I work with those attorneys. I settle out those claims. You could not be more correct in your assumption of them. Their 1/3 or 40% plus expenses is all they are interested in. And they make damn good money off of it.

          • Patty

            Carlucci – I too believe I am not a pin cushion! Although there are several good physicians out there, there are also the legalized drug pushers. When I went in search for a new doctor, I interviewed them. One had the audacity to tell me he had room for another patient. I informed him that I was interviewing him, not visa versa!
            I went with 2 exdceptional doctors that do not push pharma but suggest AND know about natural and alternatives. MN does have some of the best healthcare!

    • karolyn

      W take in enough chemicals just breathing the air and eating certain foods.

      • Vicki

        Since everything is chemicals that statement is self evident.

        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chemical (noun)

        • karolyn

          Vicki – You know what I’m trying to say!

          • Vicki

            The whole point of the article is that, because of the mis-use of words, no we do not know what you are trying to say.

      • Carlucci

        karolyn – I agree with you. A good example is chlorine, which is a xeno-estrogen. I had to find a way to cut the chlorine down correctly in my swimming pool, because it was causing my body to physically freak out. No fun having a period at the age of 55 :(

        • Karolyn

          Wow! I was not aware of that. I don’t like swimming in chlorine anyway. I couldn’t stand it when I used to go to the Y, and the whole place reeked of chlorine. I’m very happy I have well water, so I don’t get any additives on or in my body, and if I want to swim, I can jump in the pond.

          • Patty

            The chlorine at the “Y” is to mask the urine smell. (sorry)

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          ah geez Carlucci!_That bites!

          • Carlucci

            yes, it really did bite. But fortunately it only happened one time. I found some kind of ionic device from Dr. Mercola’s website that takes up a lot of the chlorine molecules from the water, but keeps the algae at bay.

          • Patty

            Carlucci – I remember when my pool got a communicable disease! Algea hanging in the pool water and I just checked the chemicals the day before! Had to shock it. Instead of spending Sat. at the pool with the kids, I had to clean, scrub, vacuum, back wash the filter. Never again!!! Between bees and drowned squirrels, not worth it!!

    • DaveH
      • DaveH

        And this may make you wonder:
        http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2220

      • Patty

        Dave H – To a point I agree, but it has it’s uses. There was a serious uptick in childhood diseases in MN this past year becuase we have a large middle eastern immigrant population. That is another subject! But, they were not immunizing their kids and it definitely had an adverse affect on the elementary school age population. Here they have mercury free vaccines.

  • Dingle

    Using an analogy of the Titanic after it struck the iceberg, many thought that in the first place, it was unsinkable. The crew knew what was going to happen. I’m sure that while people were pouring into the lifeboats, there were others on board that thought “what’s to worry, we’re still afloat!” As the music played on, they thought that they would just stay comfortable until a rescue came along; it never did of course.

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    I read someone posted above about Bob being negative, I’d rather call it reality, no one says you have to like it. I define my Reality as, if there is a pile of dog crap in the middle of the floor and you have a dog, its a pretty safe bet, your dog did it. But you have some folks who will say the dog may have done it, or that someone else brought it in from outside and laid in on the floor._ like some one else above said, ya can’t fix stupid.
    The Language has changed drastically over the years, thanks to the Liberal News Media, the indoctrination of our schools, and a people who have so willing (myself included for a time) to believe everything our Guv shoved down our throats. It took some time for us to figure out that there are two agendas, one we are allowed to see, with a created perception, and the real agenda behind the scenes which the country is run on.__I take back what I said earlier in this post, ya can fix stupid, if people would just open up they’re damn eyes, that God Gave them.

    • Vigilant

      Angel, I agree. However, the liberal media is not entirely at fault.

      Have you ever watched the portion of Bill O’Reilly’s show called “Pinheads and Patriots?” For a show that ostensibly tries to improve our language through the provision of unfamiliar words during the “if you wish to e-mail us, don’t be __________ (whatever),” O’Reilly has absolutely murdered the word “patriot.”

      He merely encourages the misuse of the word by attributing it to such things as animals, or people who do stupid things, unrelated to true patriotism.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Vigilant, I’m not nutz about O’reilly, he’s independent/Liberal and another person who paints his own reality. He’s alright on some stuff, but interupts people incessantly and acts as if he know it all.

        • Dan az

          Hey Angel
          I saw him on a interview with Bozo once, and he never once interrupted him like he does every one else.I think that was when I stopped watching TV,or was it when I let the smoke out of it?

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            I saw that too Dan, its amazing how a celebrity apperance on ones show can change, how its usuually presented, isn’t it?

          • Dan az

            Yea I think they should have had Hannity interview him,now that would have been a good one!

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Dan az, yeah Hannity or better yet BECK!_ Now That’d be an interview I’d pay to see

          • Patty

            Dan aza – You exhaled?

    • 45caliber

      Angel:

      Some people are certain that you can change fate by thinking positive thoughts. Thinking negatively is supposed to bring about the problems associated.

      I am POSITIVE that NEGATIVE things are coming.

      It is better to think about and plan for the negative things than to sit back and hope for the positive things. At least if you plan for the negative you can be pleasantly happy when the positive happens. And when/if it does, you can have all the things you set aside for the negative as a reward.

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        45, I do believe in the power of positive thinking, but you can’t let it become so euphoric, that you fail to see the reality of life.
        As you too said, We need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best, thats the only reality I know.

        • http://deleted Claire

          Angel– good comments and very true.

          • http://! Angel Wannabe

            Thanks clair, you and I it seems, kinda had it rough and know how it is, but we made it didn’t we?

          • Patty

            Claire and Angel – your true test is on the horizon.

      • Karolyn

        45 – As I believe you know by now, I am one of those people, and it does not mean that I go through life with blinders on. It means that I always come out on top, no matter what. Life is good!

  • ELAINE

    Has anyone thought or mentioned that if America stopped sending money to every other country in the world who does not need it and laugh at America for continuing this farce much of our national debt would be cleared???? We are such fools to continue this when our own country is at risk of complete failure!!!!

    • Pathfinder

      ELAINE : You are exactly right. In addition, there is no constitutional authority for congress to give away the taxpayer’s money to foreign governments.

      • 45caliber

        Actually, there is no Constitutional authority for Congress and our government to give money to anyone, whether foreign or domestic.

        • Dan az

          EXACTLY!!!!

      • Patty

        Actually, we give 25 billion. small % of the 2.7 trillion we take in per year. Not that I disagree! Cut them all off. We have to start somewhere and that is as good a place as any. We don’t have to pay other countries to hate us, they can do that for free!

    • Bert Cundle

      Repeeting My Point!: All the talk is about our DEBT! What about what is owed us!?!

  • Pathfinder

    Abolish the Fed !!

    • Bert Cundle

      Rather… Abolish: District of Columbia! (AS OUR CAPITOL.)

      • Average Joe

        I have been saying that for years. Instead of states seceding from the Union of States…why not just kick D.C. out of our country?…They can have their 10 square miles and the “territories”(Puerto Rico,Guam, Samoa etc.)…but they are and should be considered “a foreign nation” to the rest of us…..wall them in and leave them there…..they make the debts…they can pay those debts…..without dragging us into the mix.

  • 45caliber

    Terrorist:

    1. A person committed to the practice of frightening people by killing innocent people with the goal of ruling by terror.

    2. A government definition that includes everyone the present administration is against.

    3. Any common criminal who should otherwise by imprisoned or executed.

    Unfortunately, the first one is the only correct term.

  • SandraC

    Sherry obviously has been brainwashed – Obama is head of this country and he is not doing any of the leading. This man is useless – Our government is spending too much – if we did not have so many greedy fools in office, they might be able to cut the spending/budget enough to have money for infrastructure – We have so many programs duplicating efforts and what about cutting all the Czars and Government waste.

    All the money that has been given to the unions and foreign countries is a sin. Of course he had to pay the unions back for getting him elected.

    I pray this time in 2012 people will educate themselves on the candidates – Get your heads out of the sand!! We are losing our country!!!

    • 45caliber

      And the unions, banks, and foreign countries will pay him well in the next year in payment for the money given them. Can you say “kickbacks”?

    • JUKEBOX

      Obama would have trouble leading a kindegarden class across the street. Most Obama voters and supporters have a terminal case of rectal/cranial inversion.

  • Lloyd

    Silver and gold: Precious metals that the U.S. monetary system is supposed to based upon, but is falsly represented by the paper dollar. Also the currency used in foreign trade thus placing our monetary systm in foriegn control.
    Paper dollar: A monetary representation that can be printed for a fraction of the value it represents in any voluum the government desires thus devaluing the true worth of gold and silver. Do you feel poorer yet?

    • 45caliber

      While I have no problem going to a gold and silver currency, I don’t expect it to happen. The main reason is that there isn’t enough gold or silver to use for money. (And don’t consider Fort Knox. It was emptied a long time ago by Congress.) Second, if we did introduce it, gold and silver money would be sought by every country and person on Earth – and horded, taking it out of circulation.

      • Patty

        45Cal – you have to trade barter, buy with something. Ammo, food, 1st aid, medicine, silver, gold, all good. All stock piled. I figure a year before the sherrieww’s are eliminated or in an encampment. :)

  • Average Joe

    A bit of common sense for thse here that do not comprehend the “Big Picture”.

    545 vs. 300,000,000 People

    -By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The President does.

    You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

    You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? John Boehner. He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.

    If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.

    If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it’s because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan …

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.

    There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

    They, and they alone, have the power.

    They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.

    Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees…

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!

    • Bert Cundle

      Well What do you expect from someone that says… VOTE FOR ME! The Simple Solutions are avoided! Rederik Magnified.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Seems I have read something similar on another blog……hmmmm

      • Average Joe

        Seems to me that is all you read…blogs…a true troll!HAve nothing intelligent to say….become a troll….how much do they pay a troll? BTW, this has been around since 1983….so, if you haven’t read it before…I would be suprised…It was printed in The Orlando Sentinal during the Reagan administraion.Continue on being a blithering idiot…..

        • Patty

          AverageJoe – You and I may have read this before, but some people (Like sherrieww)have not read that before. Some people in this country can’t read at all! Thanks! Public Ed. It is a true enough statement, maybe someone my get something out of it. I’d let that one go.

  • SS McDonald

    Political Correctness works because of these selectively applied Euphemisms. Don’t use these euphemisms; Use the truth instead. Don’t play the leftist’s game anymore.

    Euphemism Truth

    Democratic Party Democrat Party
    Spin Lie
    African-American Negro / Black
    Progressive Fascist,Socialist,Marxist
    Progressive Regressive,Oppressive
    Faith Religion
    Mainstream Media 5th Column Media
    Gay Queer,pervert,deviant
    Fetus Baby
    Abortion Murder
    Affair Adultery/fornication
    Pro-choice Pro-death. (Life is
    never a choice for
    the pro-choice
    crowd!)
    Quantative Easing Inflation
    BCE / CE BC / AD
    Chairwoman/person Chairman
    firefighter fireman
    actor (female) actress
    West Bank (Israel) Samaria
    Spokesperson Spokesman
    public sector government

    • Patty

      And may I add a personal pet peeve? Don’t call me a “guest” when I am in your store. Guest implies that I am invited there on your dime. I am your customer, if you want me to spend money in your store, treat me like a customer, not a guest! Guests must be the shoplifters that they don’t stop in fear of prejudice.

  • sylviam

    “AMEN” to that Average JOE— as Larry the cable Guy says GIT ER DONE.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA

  • SS McDonald

    In order to overcome the editing by P.L.D, I resubmit this item:
    Political Correctness works because of these selectively applied Euphemisms. Don’t use these euphemisms; Use the truth instead. Don’t play the leftist’s game anymore.

    Euphemism – Truth

    Democratic Party – Democrat Party
    Spin – Lie
    African-American – Negro / Black
    Progressive – Fascist,Socialist,Marxist
    Progressive – Regressive,Oppressive
    Faith – Religion
    Mainstream Media – 5th Column Media
    Gay – Queer,pervert,deviant, sodomite
    Fetus – Baby
    Abortion – Murder
    Affair – Adultery/fornication
    Pro-choice – Pro-death.(Life is
    never a choice for the pro-choice crowd!)
    Quantative Easing – Inflation
    BCE / CE – BC / AD
    Chairwoman/person – Chairman
    firefighter – fireman
    actor (female) – actress
    West Bank (Israel) – Samaria
    Spokesperson – Spokesman
    public sector – government
    Cease playing the liberals game by using the correct terminology every time.

    • Average Joe

      Definition of Politically Correct:

      An overzealous media, trying to convince an under educated audience, that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd….by the clean end….

      • Cawmun Cents

        That and being adept at using op’s quotes to seem intelligent.Something which you epically fail at I might add.

        • Average Joe

          Still being a troll I see…..It does prove one thing though…I actually read (otherwise, I couldn’t find those quotes when needed and relavent to the disscussion)…..try it sometime…education is a wonderful thing….Mr. Knowitall!…BTW, in the future, if you intend to try to insult someone else…learn to spell…or at least look up words so that you can see the proper spelling…just a thought……

          • Cawmun Cents

            That is funny,I believe it was you who insulted me first.But then people called Average Joe couldnt necessarily be relied upon to report the facts correctly.I would vote for Above Average Joe for that one…..

          • Average Joe

            Cawmun Cents,

            Any idea how childish that statement sounds? Are you an adult or a 6 year old?….”But,Mommy, he called me a name first”….Doubting your mental age at this point.Grow up…be the bigger person…if you are capable….and stop whinning like a child….

          • Patty

            Caw & Average- I’m gonna back hand both of you little mf’ers. And I know, one of you are going to post “They started it!”

          • Average Joe

            Patty,
            Pack a lunch and bring some friends….you’ll need all of the help you can drum up. Momma always told me to “never hit a lady…however, if she hits you first…she’s no lady…feel free to deck her”…..Think before you threaten to backhand someone…..some people will hurt you in a heartbeat. I am non-violent in nature….but I will defend myself….if you still feel like backhanding one of us…..bring it on.
            BTW, I started it..inadvertently…A quote which was supposed to be humorous was taken the wrong way and started a small verbal war….notice that I said…VERBAL….no physical threats between us…until you threw in your two cents…..in the future, please choose your words more carefully….as will I.

          • Patty

            Average Joe-Way too serious! I was playing the neutralizing parent while you two were playing the he did it, she did it kid games. On the other hand, don’t worry about me, I can definitly hold my own…

          • Patty

            Joe – Love a party, do you like ribs?

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Average Joe, I love that!__lol

        • Average Joe

          ;)….thnx!

    • 45caliber

      Actually the West Bank is not Sumeria. It is down about where Badgad is/used to be. Sumeria was central to the Fertile Cresent – the area around the Euphrates River. The West Bank is far closer to Syria – and the Assyrians who conquered most of Northern Israel.

      • Vigilant

        Sorry, 45cal, the posting was correct. Samaria and Sumeria were two different places.

  • Cawmun Cents

    Doesnt the title and subject of this post give you a clue Average Joe?Words that used to imply something admirable.Or at least something pleasing.But Average Joe has taken on a new meaning as well.It implies socialist undertones today.If you look up the term it is well known all over the world and has meaning in every nation.It is the impliction of something which is no longer sought after by realists.You consider yourself well read,but it is not that you read, but what you read that tells of your education.Yes we can all inspire to be an Average Joe now and be educated beyond that which we could ever hope to achieve before.My typing skils are obviously lacking,just as your reasoning skills are.But never fear Average Joe,I am certain there are those who apire to be like you someday…..

    • Average Joe

      Is that the best you’ve got?…..Sad…so sad…..I love watching you continue to waste your time….you are not changing my opinion of your thought processes ( sadly lacking). All that I have gathered from your posts is that you like to argue …for the sake of argument and nothing more. If someone doesn’t agree with you 100%…. you must argue…..While I am sure that there are points we can agree on…there are also those points we can’t agree on…just a fact of life, get over it. However, if you are attempting to make someone agree with you by belittling them (which most of your posts do) nobody is going to listen to you…except someone with the exact same mindset.Our agrument started with my post concerning the differences in “definitions”, based soley on the fact that there are many interpretations…depending on which dictionary you refer to.I referred to both Webster’s and Black’s law dictionaries…and you wanted to belittle me with your bantor….rather than trying to prove me wrong with facts…which you have continued to do since…including, dragging me into another of your comments…that I had no part in…..either put up facts to refute my stance….or don’t waste my time…. Give me some facts…real facts ( the fact that I use quotes to get my point across doesn’t count). Using quotes doesn’t make me right or wrong….and pointing it out, certainly doesn’t make you right or wrong….the quotes aren’t the issue…the correctness of those quotes is the issue….prove them wrong and stop whining like a two year old….or to put it another way…”Put up or shut up”
      Now, you can feel free spout off again to make yourself feel better….but, I am not going to respond to more unsubstantiated BS from you…from this point on, you are talking to yourself and showing others here just how childish and insecure you really are. LAST WORD as usual?Go for it!

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Average Joe, That’s why I won’t post back to the Liberals, they don’t add anything to the mix, nothing I’m interested in anyway. They just talk shyt and stir the pot, they ain’t worth the trouble to respond.

        • Average Joe

          I have my days…lol…Usually, I am the one who refuses to bantor with them….today just wasn’t one of those days….sometimes you just have to “call a spade…a spade”…..(another of those politically incorrect things to do in life).

    • Patty

      THAT’S IT!!!! @!$&**SMACK!!!**

      • Average Joe

        Yer on thin ice Patty…very thin…and the temperature is getting warmer…watch your step…you just might fall into something you don’t wish to be in…..nothing of value to add?…MYOB…..

        • Patty

          Come on Average Joe! Take a breath! I guess you must not have any siblings or kids of your own or maybe you were raised in the Leave It To Beaver Family. It is something that parents say to get their kids to stop arguing and fighting. Did you happen to think that others posting on here have to read through you two going at it to get to something that may be more informational? And a couple of those were pretty long, not just 1 liners. I am sorry if you feel that offended, the intent was getting you two to stop, (and in a family kind of way) not to offend you or get you even more defensive.
          I apologize.

          • Average Joe

            Actually if you read the times that posts were made, the argument had been over…for hours. My problem is with threats of violence (from anyone),although we (Me and Cawmun Cents) had argued, there were no physical threats made. While I realize that you would have to find either of us to carry out said threat…it was simply inappropriate to even bring it into the conversation..and I was trying to bring that fact to your attention.
            Please understand that I was raised by a father who didn’t think twice about back-handing his wife and children, with or without provocation…some things that happen in life are tougher than others to get over….for me this is one of them……and you just happened to strike a chord and bring back bad memories. I appologize for “being too serious”…..You just managed to hit a raw nerve….and I do understand that you didn’t know how that would affect my reaction…Again, my appologies to you.

          • Patty

            Average Joe-Thank you for excepting my apology. I am more with you than you know. I fully understand your explanation. Your apology is not necessary, but I accept it gracefully, as I hope you accept mine.
            Why, can not the rest of the world do what we have just done?

          • Patty

            Average Joe – I guess I have always been the “go between” or “go to” in family matters. Being the youngest in the family and making those out of the ordinary important decisions, and I have have had more than my share. Being an alpha is actually tougher than it seems. Because you bare that eventual weight of the cross, because no one else is willing.

  • spitfire

    How can we have a balanced budget, with people like we have in government, 3 wars,a crazy large overseas budget,and serious immigration problems???? As history will show you, the fed has always taken from the masses, and the poor evertime they are told to balance the budget. Never the foreign budget, or from themselves, but you and I.
    Now I do feel that we need to have the best military, and equipment in the world, so I also believe that is a worthwhile place to spend money. We can then protect ourselves and not worry about the rest of the planet. We do not belong in the 3 wars that are not about saving our country. Islam is the biggest threat to America, and your government continues to immigrate more and more of them.

    Ask your self this about Islam. Why would they want to live with the infidel, and of course Christians?

  • DaveH

    How many of you are aware that the FCC is trying to make an end run around the absense of legally passed Congressional law in order to regulate the Internet? These are dangerous times. We need to keep on top of these issues. This is a bill passed in the house recently to stop that. Note that the Democrats were heavily in favor of messing with our Internet:
    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll252.xml

    Abolish the FCC. They are completely unnecessary. Their only legitimate function is to keep public users of the airways from encroaching on other users’ territory, and the courts could decide those cases without the FCC.

    • Patty

      Not only that! The Gov. of MN wants to tax your friggin email(individual emails)! I already pay a tax on my internet unthankfully!
      It must be to cut down on jokes about them!

  • PatHenry52

    Why?… Don’t we know that already? None of this is news – most of it happened before many of us were born.

    So isn’t the real question — HOW?

    HOW do we fight back against the behemoth of centralized, greed filled, anti-constitutional government? We have a third of us (Leftists) that either believe they’re getting a good deal (90% of them), know what they’re doing but think they’ll have a seat at the table which they will not and will quickly find themselves in the “others” category they have been ruthlessly oppressing (9.9% of the rest) or are part of the scheme and/or actually benefit (.1%). Meanwhile we have another third that contains some who can’t understand how outlawing abortion is anti-freedom and/or want to impose Christian rule (about .5% of them, despite the lefts claims it’s 99% of them) and the last third that doesn’t care to know how they’re being screwed because it isn’t so bad.

    HOW do we combat such a heinous beast when the farthest most are willing to go is “vote them out”, ignoring the fact that that beast runs the vote and tells us who “won”?!?

    One may say violent revolt, but then that begs the question:

    HOW do those of us that do keep that option on the bargaining table gather enough willing to do the same given that most are too cowardly, not aware enough of their rights, or are tricked into supporting the b.s.?

    HOW? That’s the real question.

  • http://deleted Claire

    Hooray! The tornado watch is gone, no thunder, no lightning. I don’t have to put all the dogs in the little room downstairs tonight! I don’t have to keep my clothes on all night!! I can “sleep” tonight!! Hooray!! BUT it is coming back towards the end of the week. I can hardly wait.

    • Karolyn

      Claire – I feel so bad for everyone who lives in those areas that are experiencing all the floods and tornadoes. It must be so stressful. I feel very fortunate to live somewhere that doesn’t seem to experience too much of that, plus I live in the woods on a hill, so it is a fairly decent place to be when a tornado is coming. I must say I don’t ever remember tornadoes in NJ when I was a kid, and now they even have them there. “Normal” weather is gone!

      • http://deleted Claire

        Karolyn: If I could I would be living in the country on my 22 acres but the nearest hospital is 26 miles away. My husband I were going to move there about 15 years ago and retire but it just didn’t work out. His health started declining and there was just no way we could move. I try to get down there at least once a month to check on things and take the dogs to run. It is an hour’s drive from where we live here. I have a neighbor nearby and he keeps an eye on the place. The farmhouse is close to the base of a hill and there are a ton of walnut trees. I love it there, so peaceful and the deer, my gosh, they get close. When I drove down there about 2 months ago, I counted 23 deer near the house. That is the most I have ever seen together at one time, usually it is 3 or 4 together. A real herd! When I see them it makes me think of what I saw on TV once. A deer was flailing the heck out of a hunter with her front feet. So we don’t get too close to them but the dogs sure like to chase them. My mother divided the farmground that was left between us three girls and when my oldest sister passed away 4 years ago, she willed her share to my son. Unbelievable, but she loved my son, Tim. She had 3 kids, and now they don’t speak to us. I think my sister knew Tim would never sell the property. I’m rambling, sorry.

        • Carlucci

          Claire – your place in the country sounds wonderful. I would love to have something like that. Maybe one of these days….

          I’m sorry to hear about your sister’s kids who won’t speak to you and your family. I have heard so many stories like that from friends who have lost loved ones. My neighbor down the street has two siblings that won’t speak to her anymore after a dispute over their parents’ estate. When I hear things like that it breaks my heart.

        • Patty

          Sad to say like in a divorce, once the love is gone the only thing left is to divvy up the goods. Good thing I only had one child and he is getting it all. Hope he doesn’t pull the plug premature….:)

          • Patty

            Hey! That wierd smiley thing happened again! To many adult beverages! :)

      • Vicki

        Karolyn writes:
        ““Normal” weather is gone!”

        Normal weather has not gone anywhere. Humans have a way overblown sense of normal and presume that whatever they remember is “normal”.

        • Patty

          Vicki – So true. Remember the house you grew up in and how big it was? And how small it seems now? How big the snow plied up was that you could make horses out of them and pretend to ride them? smaller now. Weather/climate is cyclical. At my farm that I have had for over 20 years, you really notice it. One year it was the year of the frog, then the year of the gartner snake, then grasshoppers. It is all cyclical if you go back far enough. There is no “global warming”. That is just a rouse to invent a carbon tax.

          • Vigilant

            Here in upstate NY, last year was the year of the Deer Fly. Wonderously, we had fewer mosquitoes. Wonder what it’ll be this year.

  • bob wire

    Perception, Parental Imprinting, Education and Bias Mr. Livingston.

    While A. Lincoln was indeed a backwoodsman, he was instilled with a strong desire “to know” “to understand” at an early age and it was this desire that made Lincoln stand head and shoulders about others.

    What creates this human desire “to know”, I don’t really know. Parental imprinting? maybe ~ for me it’s an unknown factor that seems to come with life itself for only some people.

    Many are to lazy for lack of a better word to do the work to master a topic.

    Some of us tend to “think” while many seem to believe they “know” ~ the thinking having already been preformed ~ at some earlier date.

    This “knowing” offers a predisposition, a bias, creating a predictable prejudices in peoples analytical thinking process. Actually there little thinking involved, as they are truly just reacting to their “programing”.

    If you speak the word “liberal or progressive”, they refer to their programing.

    If you speak the word “voucher”, they refer to their programing.

    If you speak the word “Credit”, they refer to their programing.

    It’s a matter of trash in and trash out.

    Bad programing will not create stellar thought process.

    • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Notice, by the way, the Liberal review from publishers weekly. How do I know he’s a Liberal. Easy. His first four words “In this laughable screed”. Liberals just can’t help themselves, can they? They can’t muster ligitimate debates, so they must instead launch personal attacks.

        • bob wire

          excellent rebuttal Dave, but in fact there are “posers” among us on all sides.

          don’t demand that I defend the foolish and lacking purely by virtue of label or what company they might keep or bi line they might offer.

          I think the term is a “knock off” one that poses and maintaining position by virtue of appearance only. A cheap imitation, void of integrity.

          or from the Tea Party crowd; a RINO, republican in name only

          From “my” perspective; a CINO, Christian in name only

          as I see “Bearing False Wittiness” a violation of the 4th commandment and being completely ignored as a transgression in today’s political discourse as it might not matter or apply in the eyes of the Lord while I was taught differently. I am not permitted to bear false witness by my creator.

          I cannot go there , yet there are many that display the Christian banner that seem to have little reservations to do so.

          • Vigilant

            bob wirw,

            Since we’re talking about definitions, you may want to check your Freudian slip when you said “Bearing False Wittiness.”

            Bearing false witness is a time-honored tradition, if not prerequisite, of politics. Bearing false “wittiness” could describe your posting to a “T.”

        • Patty

          DaveH – I think that took a lot of adult beverages for Bob wire to write, what do you think? Kind of melancholy.

    • JUKEBOX

      What about Obama classifying himself as “BLACK” on his census form, when there was the option of “MIXED RACE”, which he admits he is? Anyone who cannot be honest on his census form cannot be trusted to tell the truth on more serious matters, like the real place of his birth. Duplicity reigns supreme in the White House.

      • Myron J. Poltroonian

        Jukebox,
        Ah, yes. Another bigoted, racist, sexist, ageist, self-proclaimed “Tolerant Progressive – Correct Position” which shows their true colors. What the Hell is wrong with all of them? I’ll bet they don’t even realize that by calling Obama “Black” they’re embracing the Jim Crow era’s “One Drop Rule”.

        • bob wire

          Mulatto:
          NOUN :1. A person having one white and one Black parent. 2. A person of mixed white and Black ancestry

          There is a “word” for it ! It’s not rocket surgery and not confusing.

          These is other words here in Texas you maybe have not heard “Mexican Blackbird”

          I seen one that was 6’9′ tall once, she was beautiful in every way a woman might be seen as beautiful.

          This racial mental constipation that “some” carry in their minds is only baggage and impede personal growth.

          • Patty

            She sounds like a beautiful Amazon.

          • Vigilant

            “Rocket surgery?”

      • Patty

        jukebox-He only admits that when it is PC and he is talking to a predominately white voter base.

  • Average Joe

    Here in Amerika,there are only 3 requirements to being a “model citizen”.
    1. Shut up!
    2. Do what the government tells you to do! (without question)
    3. Keep sending the government your money!

    Anything else you are in doubt about, please refer to item #1.
    Please stay within the zones 1,2 and 3..or you will be labeled a terrorist….Got it? How dare you peons questioning the wisdom of your leaders!…From the desk of:”The great and powerful OB”!

    • bob wire

      so you have no plans to be a model citizen?

      • Patty

        Not on your life!

      • Average Joe

        Not in this life…or the next….

  • JUKEBOX

    I have something to add to your list, “LET ME BE CLEAR”. This seems to mean: I am telling you another big lie, and I believe you are gullible enough to believe every word. How could I tell you a lie while showing you my charming, beguiling, toothy smile? I think these people believe they could threaten your life with impunity if they smile while they are doing it.

    • Carlucci

      I scream “Let me be clear” after I throw my gin and tonic at the t.v. cabinet…

    • Patty

      Jukebox-And they truely believe it also!
      Carlucci – I am kind of a rum and diet myself. I just looked up how to make my own on line. Better print that out before they take over the internet!

    • Average Joe

      All of those years through college…I had it wrong…I thopught it was “Let it be Everclear”….and punch!

      • Patty

        everclear – 3rd marriage, what a blast. Deputy shreriff’s from one county, getting arrested by deputies from another, good times!!!

        • Average Joe

          lol..that’s too funny….memories…..heh….my Everclear days are long gone…but never forgotten.

    • Patty

      Jukebox – nail, head , fireworks…totally with you there.

  • http://deleted Claire

    “Let me be clear” — egads I am beginning to hate those words.

    • Patty

      Ditto!

    • Average Joe

      The one I am totally sick ofis,”At the end of the day”….every time I hear it (20-30 times a day from the media turds)…I just want to strangle the icehole who said it….

  • StinkP

    In addition to all the arguing amongst ourselves (as the bureaucrats prefer), we should all individually peruse the specific definitions (term of art) defined by the us congress to words (terms) used in the various acts of congress compiled in the 50 titles of the United States Code USC. All the titles can be found at Cornell law ( http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ ). Poke around, have some fun, see how the United States is defined differently among titles, trade or business means something differently than what you thought, to mention a few. If after a few hours of study results in confusion, contact your congress-critter for clarity. (no guarantees there).

  • Thamera

    It’s not hard to be confused by the definition of words since they are always changing: ie. liberalism: On one hand liberalism used to be a theory in economics emphasizing “individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard”

    On the other hand liberalism can mean and more commonly so, “a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class)

    Which is a misnomer in itself. The last definition stating the belief in the “autonomy of the individual” then goes onto say that it is a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities” hmmmm….what happened then to individual autonomy?

    • Vicki

      That is why some people say that liberalism is a mental disorder. That they can have such contradictory thoughts and not see, even when it is pointed out, what is wrong.

      Of course as to the changing definition it is more of adding definitions to a word so it means multiple and as you noticed contradictory things. This is one of the reasons English is so hard for people to learn.

      You will find in the definition below that both of the definitions you quoted are current.

      http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism
      ———————————————————————
      1: the quality or state of being liberal
      2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity

      b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard

      c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class)

      d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party
      =====================================================================

      • Patty

        And “Investment” means a new tax!

  • http://com i41

    I think arolyn just the solved the mental problems of all soros socialist progressive democats. They eat (according to the packaging) organic food. The hertitage foods will have more fungus and toxins from spores in the air and soil. The case of the Witch problems was erget on barely and ceral grains and the molds on corn. It cases mental problems and will even cause spontanus abortions in live stock. If records from the witch trail years the birth rate was low. No wonder dems support Planned Parenting was saved, they all have mental problems and it keeps liberials from reproducing to rapidly. This crap of only natural substances are safe, death camus in pastures will kill a cow in a day. When Holleyweird went nuts over spraying apples, the fungis that grew on the apples were faster at causing deaths and in short order the crap satopped. I have ralitives that sure lived around the used chemicals that is supposed to kill everyone now days. Best thing is use a little common sense, when these b–l s–t studies come out causing alarm, I remember when cyclamate sweetner was ban when it killed rats, if humans drank 5000 gallons of the fluid a day that killed rats would cause death. Hell you would have a fluid overload with just water. StinkP, you can not get an elected beltway wonk, to give a simple clear answer or define anything straight forward, just more mumbo blumbo crap.

  • bob wire

    “Vicki says:
    April 11, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    That is why some people say that liberalism is a mental disorder. That they can have such contradictory thoughts and not see, even when it is pointed out, what is wrong.”

    There is no “absolutes” Vicky, not even in death.

    You might be cute and say something like; When you are dead you are dead like “Rover” dead all over” to suggest an absolute, but in truth many would enjoy such debate.

    It’s just a play with words, meaning nothing and only for your amusement.

    Your attempt to describe the mind of someone else while you can’t explain your own is comical.

    I hear the “right” speak of “Tingly” often and truly at some loss at knowing what they are speaking of.

    I’ve stood in formation at “parade rest” during the “changing of the guard” and seen goose bumps appear on the arm of fellow soldier when the “colors” are played.

    I’ve taken pride in my children, watched them grow, graduate, marry and have babies and then their babies have babies.

    Is that the “tingly”??

    Let’s face it! Everybody is not like you ! You should be glad and grateful for the difference.

    Anyone with a functional brain would.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    4-11-11

    Thank, you kkflash! Let’s face it folks, for 50+ years, Americans were duped into believing that life would be all o.k. if you listened carefully to the liberal and education mentality from k through college.

    Simply put: Too many in the media gained their strength through technology that empowered their liberal thinking and became, “the gods of information for the intellectual voices”, the liberal professors, politicians, lawyers, Presidents and e.t.c. Endless list!

    Complacency set in and the not so well educated became enthralled by the unions as care givers along with the government’s big pockets. The rest, uneducated and poor, became totally dependent on welfare for 40 years! Doesn’t that number sound familiar from what is written in the history book,the Bible? The only difference is: our troops are still in the desert….we are stuck there, an ocean with pirates on tiny boats shooting at our large boats, noted Col. Moammar Gadhfi still riding in parades, as Obama sits at his desk trying to figure out chaos in the desert countries…. and we can’t get any oil from those who control it! History repeats itself.

    Soon there will be no manna from heaven! We shall have to go back to learning how to make bread and share it with each other.

    There were simply too many frogs who did not jump out of the warm and tepid water when it began to boil. Get the picture?

    • Patty

      Wiselady-So I should sell my bread maker because we won’t have electricity? Just kidding. Didn’t make that good of bread anyways. Sits in the garage. Nothing like homemade! Liked your post.

  • jopa

    Bob Wire; The “tingly” word came about one time when Chris Matthews was interviewing Michelle Bachman.She said she doesn’t always agree with Obama but she does get a tingly feeling running up her leg when she watches him speak.

    • Patty

      Jopa, you are so full of it.

      • Thamera

        Ditto that Patty

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Some post about chlorine caught my attention as I have been chlorine free except for a very rare swimming pool, for at least 42 years. When we were on city water I had a whole house filter to take the chlorine out and we have been on well water with no chlorine for the last 16 years. I turned 70 the other day and thank Our Lord have never had to spend a night in a hospital and my blood pressure is normally 110/70. A Dr. Price wrote a book many years ago after studying vets that were exposed to large amounts of Chlorine in Vietnam and he came to the conclusion that it causes hardening of the artery’s and many other ailments. We need to quit allowing ourselves to drink and bath in poison.

  • jopa

    The phrase “let me be clear”.Wasn’t that Nixon’s line when he said “Let me be clear I am not a crook”?I think that is how it went, not sure.

    • Patty

      Jopa – it was actually, “Let me be perfectly clear, I am not a crook…” So, are you comparing that to Nobama’s “let me be clear…”

  • jopa

    Henry Ledbeter: I would say you had a double win.The chlorine may have killed all the bugs in your water plus you had the filters to clear them all out and be chlorine free.The water purification tablets in Nam were pure chlorine and basically resulted in an overdose of chlorine with agent orange for an extra boot in the a–.

  • SandraC

    I give Obama credit for one thing and one thing only – He certainly woke up THE PEOPLE or at least some of us. I am hearing an seeing a lot of people that truly care about their country.

    I sincerely hope there is enough of us out there to do something about this mess before it is too late.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:

    4-13-11

    SandraC, and all others, bewilderment is not an option, faith, prayer and remaining optomistic must prevail. Sometimes we need to go through some harsh lessons in life as this country is experiencing. We were born to be creative and no other nation has endured on its own…from the beginning with disasters, wars in other lands, endured attacks and keeps on giving as we are currently doing in Japan but we will come through.

    Now we are stuck with some leaders that maintain a stubborn mentality to over-spending and have no clue on how to pay debts without borrowing. The mess we are in is going to prolongate our adjustment into a more defining moment of comfort with the economy to resurface as we were accustomed. The word sacrifice is not into our vocabulary, judging by how the city, county state and the Federal Government made themselves indebted financially to organizations as though there were, “a forever application of demands”. Sacrfice is not in their vocabulary and neither is it in education, illegal immigration, Unions, The ACLU, the judicial system which has gone awry, multitude of social programs that created an endless cycle of spending,i,e. a growing group of about 47 Carzs not approved by The Congress, who didn’t bother to know their job description(s) and on top of all that we are supporting the United Nations which sucks in billions of dollars and can’t depose tyrants in a jiffy! We give because they take care of, “the poor countries”. Well, now we are poor. WE CAN’T PAY OUR BILLS, WE MUST BORROW TO PAY THEM!! Do those countries sacrifice to pay us back and try to help us out? We could save billions by putting the UN in the Sahara Desert. Imagine how much the economy would improve in the Middle Eastern region if it were located in that area!!

    WATCH WHO YOU VOTE FOR IN THE NEXT ELECTION. WE MUST HAVE HOPE AND VOTE FOR BRAVE AND BOLD POLITICIANS WITH HIGH INTEGRITY, NOT AFRAID OF THE WORDS; WE HAVE TO MAKE SACRAFICES FOLKS.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Wiselady

    Wiselady says:

    4-13-11

    Thank you, Patty, for your kind remark. You got the point.

    Bread can be made in a wood-burning stove and a kerosene lamp can be used to guide you if you decide to bake bread in the evening.

    Store your electric bread maker and enjoy life making new survival kits.

    • Patty

      Wiselady-Back when I had a lot more energy, I use to go to my farm after work on Fri. Jump on my riding lawnmower with an adult beverage and start to mow my 10 acres of lawn. Start some bread around 9 pm. Mow, mow, mow. Put the bread in the oven around 5 am. mow, mow, mow. Pass out around 6 am, sleep until 9 am and be out in my 1 acre organic garden vacuuming bugs, weeding, etc. I really don’t know how I did it. Might have to go back to it now just for survival. Hope that inner strenghth still survives. Fond memories of doing it.

  • jopa

    Patty;So sorry it has been a lot of years and I forgot the word “perfectly”.I stand corrected.

    • Patty

      Jopa-No problem. We are all so surrounded by BS political speech, just trying to keep it all straight.

  • SandraC

    I understand sacrifice – but I think it should include Washington no wage increases, stop all unnecessary spending. Obama could give up some of his vacations etc.,- I still say get rid of the czars and their millions of dollars in salaries. I am sure we can come up with many more cuts and not hurt the poor and elderly.

    If we could confiscate all this money used for re-elections – that would be a start – - If the GOP does not make the necessary cuts on the budget, I for one will be very disappointed. All of this money is spent while we have homeless people and people losing their homes. I am truly sick and tired of these idiots in Washington.

    • Patty

      Sandra-From what I understand 4 of those czar’s have been de-funded, including the healthcare czar. I still cannot even swallow that word czar. I cannot help but think that it was used as a political purpose.

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