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Why We Lost And What It Will Take To Win

November 9, 2012 by  

Why We Lost And What It Will Take To Win

Well, so much for the seers, sages, pundits and prognosticators who predicted an easy victory for Republicans on Election Day. It turned out to be anything but.

For a lot of us, our worst fears are coming true: four more years of Barack Obama in the White House and at least two more years with Harry Reid and the Democrats controlling the Senate.


The one bright spot is that Republicans retained control of the House of Representatives. Since the Constitution requires that all spending bills originate in the House, that provides hope there will be at least some slight restraint as Big Government marches forward.

But then I remembered that Obamacare, one of the biggest spending bills in history, didn’t originate in the House — and that this was perfectly OK with the Supreme Court. Chief Justice John Roberts said this incredible usurpation of Federal power was legal because the mandate was a tax. His redefinition of the facts made it all hunky-dory, or so we were told.

The chance that Obamacare will be overturned or even substantially revised is now pretty close to zero. We won a few important victories in the Senate (I’m thinking particularly of Ted Cruz in Texas, Debbie Fisher in Nebraska, and Jeff Flake in Arizona). But Republicans lost all of the other races where victories were essential to give them control of the Senate.

Yes, I’m afraid we’ll be saddled with Harry Reid as Majority Leader for at least two more years. That means even if a decent bill is passed in the House, its chances of getting through the Senate are virtually nil. Not to mention what would happen if such a bill — to cut spending significantly, let’s say, or reform the tax code, or audit the Fed — did by some miracle make it to Obama’s desk. How many milliseconds would it take, do you think, before a veto sent it flying back to Capitol Hill?

So the chances of seeing some decent legislation get through the new Congress are about nil, I’m sad to say. About the best we can hope for is to delay some of the worst legislation and work and pray for more victories in 2014.

In the meantime, I shudder to think what sort of nominations Obama will make for our courts, since he needs approval only in the Senate, not the House. Or what sort of treaties he may submit for the Senate’s approval. How much of our sovereignty (and our money) will the internationalists in this Administration want to turn over to the United Nations? I don’t want to think about it.

We’re going to hear a lot of criticism of the sort of campaign that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan conducted. They didn’t “take it to the President” hard enough, tough enough or often enough, some will say. I think there’s a lot of truth to such accusations.

Romney scored a dramatic victory in the first Presidential debate. Finally, millions of Americans got to see that he was not the mean-spirited vulture capitalist that the Obama campaign had portrayed him as. Hey, he was actually human — and pretty impressive.

But the gains from that night weren’t enough. For some strange reason, both Romney and Ryan began to run a very cautious campaign. Oh, they made some decent speeches. But they spoke only in broad generalities; neither ever got the electorate inspired with the specifics of what they would do for this country.

I would have liked to see them tackle head-on some of the big issues that were being used against them. Where was the Romney-Ryan appeal to Latinos, who will work so hard to earn a piece of the American pie? Where was their outreach to women, who surely have bigger concerns than getting Uncle Sam to pay for their birth-control pills? We waited in vain to hear anything along these lines.

And while there’s no question but that the economy and other domestic issues were far more important to voters than foreign policy, I’ve got to wonder how much of a difference it might have made if Republicans had really hammered the White House over what happened in Benghazi, Libya.

We can debate these questions forever — or at least until the next election. But in the meantime, there are three other issues that I’m afraid will spell the doom of this Constitutional republic, if we can’t find some way to overcome them.

The first is the incredible bias of the mainstream media. I could fill a dozen columns with examples of how the media raked Romney or Ryan over the coals for the most trivial of misstatements, while giving Obama and Joe Biden a free pass on some of the most outrageous comments ever uttered during a political campaign.

You and I may wish that Romney had phrased his concerns a little different, when he spoke about “the 47 percent who don’t pay taxes” at a private fundraiser. But they paled in comparison to Obama’s statement that “you didn’t build that” or his dismissive remark that “the private sector is doing fine,” when everyone and his brother knew it wasn’t.

The mainstream media tried to turn Romney’s remarks into a national scandal. “Good Morning America” said it was a “bombshell rocking the Mitt Romney campaign.” Diane Sawyer called it “a political earthquake.” There was no such phony outrage over anything the President or his Vice President said during the campaign.

And don’t get me started on many of the so-called “fact checkers” on TV and in the press. Time after time, they allowed Obama and Biden to get away with some whoppers that would have had Pinocchio’s nose growing out the door, while they pounded the Republican candidates for every minor misstatement they could find or distort.

My second concern is how Republicans can counter the hundreds of millions of dollars the Democrats spent on an incredible barrage of attack ads. They were among the most dishonest and despicable commercials ever put on the air. They were targeted to very specific audiences: union workers in Cleveland, young women in metropolitan areas, blacks and Latinos wherever they were a large enough minority.

Sadly, the ads worked. Those of us on the right have to recognize that our opponents on the left did an incredibly effective job of targeting their message to very narrow and specific segments of their audience. They got a majority of the viewers to believe their propaganda. And then they got them to the polls.

How can the next Republican candidate for President overcome such a well-financed, brilliantly planned, expertly produced smear campaign? I confess I don’t know. I hope someone will come up with a solution. If you’ve got one, let me hear about it.

That brings me to my final and largest concern. In State after State and district after district, Democrats won by promising that government would do something for the people hearing their message. Subsidize their healthcare, pay for their prescriptions, finance their schooling, guarantee their retirement… the list goes on and on. It’s the 21st century version of promising a chicken in every pot.

And, folks, let’s face it. It worked. What happens when a majority of voters are told they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury, if they’ll only put the “right people” in charge?

We saw the answer Tuesday. They’ll stand in line for hours to vote to keep the goodies coming.

It’s going to be awfully hard to outwork, outspend and outvote them. The silent majority is being replaced by a “gimme” society. What’s going to prevent them from dragging this country over a fiscal cliff — and us along with them?

I don’t know. Do you?

Sorry to sound so pessimistic, but I’m stunned and saddened over the results of Tuesday’s elections. I thought it was one of the clearest choices between two different directions for this country I’ve ever seen. And I’m scared to death of the decision a majority of voters just made.

Ah, well, there is one positive thing I can say about the outcome. It will give this humble scribe — and the other writers here at Personal Liberty Digest™ — plenty to talk about for the next few years.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Kinetic1

    You and yours will never stop, will you.
    “But they paled in comparison to Obama’s statement that “you didn’t build that” or his dismissive remark that “the private sector is doing fine,” when everyone and his brother knew it wasn’t.”
    You and everyone on this site (assuming they ever too the time to read the transcripts or watch the statements in context) know full well that what you are portraying is not what was said. You and everyone else know he was speaking of bridges and highways that bring the trucks to ship out the goods or the customers to buy. You know he was speaking in relative terms about the steady, but slow growth in the private sector when compared to the massive cuts in the public sector. Yes, I understand that you’re happy to see the government shrinking, but since Obama took office, about 607,000 fewer people are working in the public sector. We’ve gained about 4.2 million private sector jobs since early 2010, and that’s nothing to sneeze at, but it is off set by those 607,000 workers who now must transition to the private sector. You know all of this, but it doesn’t fit into the “Obama is destroying America” rhetoric, so you just take what you need out of context and continue with the dishonesty.

    As for Romney and the “47%”, are you surprised that people might be shocked? Yes, he was as right about a portion of the populace never embracing him as Obama would be if he said the same, but that wasn’t the point. It was his depiction of 47% of Americans as people
    “who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.”
    It’s unlikely that I would ever vote for Romney, but I pay taxes, my family pays almost $7,000 a year for private health insurance and we are supportive, contributing members of our church. I also believe that, if the money I and other middle and upper class families put into private insurance could instead be used to provide health insurance for all Americans, it’s a good deal. And yes, I do believe that a country as great as ours should be compassionate enough to ensure that everyone has a roof over their heads and food on the table. I’m not so naive as to believe that no one will take advantage of the system, but asking the good to suffer for the crimes of the bad is not what I learned in the Bible.

    “…how much of a difference it might have made if Republicans had really hammered the White House over what happened in Benghazi, Libya.”
    Everyone is so surprised that Gov. Romney chose not to bring this up in the debate. Has no one else considered the possibility that, in light of what we now know about the CIAs involvement that Romeny may have been brought into the loop? The CIA has made it clear that they had security concerns. Don’t you think Romney might have shared their concerns? Unlike Cheaney and his group, some people understand that it’s not always about doing anything to win, damn the consequences for others.

    • Toni

      You are correct, sir.

      • FreedomFighter

        Now that Obama has his mandate the true takeover and installation of a socialist dictator begins:

        Turn Them Over: Feinstein Moves To Ban ALL Assault Rifles, High Capacity Magazines, and Pistol Grips

        They now will crush the constitution, our rights to arms, and take away free speech: without the 2nd the 1st cannot stand.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • eddie47d

        Those Fact Checkers also exposed Republican ads as false time and time again yet none were pulled. it works both ways chip shots. Although way too much money was spent on this election the monetary results were fairly even and each were close to 1 billion spent. So the Republicans also spent alot of money on fabricated facts chip shots. Another thing is that people stand in line to vote because it is a privilege and an honor not for “free goodies”. Can anyone write a fair and honest story?

      • Donald Darden

        Obama’s win was expected, but still a shocker. The number of votes he got in the Electoral College really set me back. M wife went to bed early and got up early, and I heard her on the phone in the kitchen telling someone that Romney got the popular vote. Doesn’t count of course, but might leave another legal challenge opportunity. She was wrong, I checked on line, and Obama even got that.

        So I am resigned to it. Actually, I could not see how either as a President could stop what is coming next, but it is more certain to happen and happen with Obama in power. And power it is, with his Executive Orders and appointment of Czars for just about everything.

        So Socialism it is. Actually, Democracy and Socialism are both flawed in that they expect more from human nature than what is engrained there. They both felt that with the proper education, man’s seamy side could be ironed out. But look at the fact that we always see evil come out, often where you least expect it, and accept that man is not good, kind, loving, caring, and out for the greater good of all, and get on with it. What I mean is, you have to plan exactly how to confront and deal with evil when it comes to the fore or is exposed, and you have to make that part of a lasting structural order

        Under Fascism, Nazism, Communism, and other enforced forms of Socialism, you had party control, and you used brute force, spies, and informants to find any that were not sufficiently subjected to your control and dealt with them. I expect that to happen again under Obama, all in the name of preserving the Constitution, although he and his kind are apparently not subject to

        But I was really taken back by the Republican response this go around. I could see some cases of party favors being handed out, no real interest in bringing the country back or restoring our previous way of life. Then I got to thinking about the fact that so much of our lives were already poisoned by the corruption in government, and the GOP was no small part of that. And they behaved stupidly in their traditional way: They allowed the candidates to come forward, and pitted one against another in public so that each could be tarred with a brush and seen as unfit to vote for. Not like the Democrats that adopted the idea of finding the first one out the gate and pushing him to a sure win by backing him all the way no matter what. The best running horse that the Republicans had was Herman Cain, and not just because he was black (which was a good counter to Obama being black), but because he was a man of real deas and ideals. I would have voted for him over the other candidates, and I am a white. I just saw a good man there I could relate to and felt would do a good job. Instead, the Republican Party let him get tarnished with scandal (which was probably politically motivated) and he had to drop out.

        I’m a Registered Republican, but as far as I am concerned now, the Republican Party is dead. I saw political favors being passed when it came down to a no-contest between
        Bill Nelson and Connie Mack for a Senate seat from Florida. From the ad exchange that went back and forth, the newspaper report had it right. Connie Mack had no business being in that race, and from the way I read it, it was a political favor that his dad, a former Senator himself, called in. No thought there at all to what it meant to the country if we lost another Republican seat or chance to unseat a Democrat. Again, greed, envy, and contempt for the people and the country they are suppose to serve showing through.

        You want to change the way things are going without resorting to violence, then go Conservative. Trouble is, the Conservative movement is all splinter parties at the national, state, and local levels. The Republican Party needs to drop its name (and the image behind it) and offer itself up as the unifying force for the Conservative Movement of the United States. That way maybe they can once again becoming a force to reckon with again. And it should be their goal to not only unify the Conservative Movement, but to help the movement find the best pick among themselves, and not by any highly and risky method like endless public debates. Come up with a way to see a real and natural leader, and coach that person as necessary during the runoffs. Really, what did we know about Obama while he was running for office? Or after he got elected? Don’t give your opposition ammo to attack your candidate with. Stupid Republicans. They think they only serve the elite, but it is the people who count, and you have to allow for the way people are and how they think.

      • Kate8

        FreedomFighter – Obama hardly has a mandate. Not that he much cares about that.

        These are the voting stats:

        60% of registered voters turned in ballots. (What does that tell us.)
        Half of those went to Obama.

        That means that 70% of those registered to vote did NOT vote for Obama. So he has a 30% support base.

        That’s pretty dismal. Especially when you consider that many of those were one person voting multiple times, the dead, the illegal, the incompetent…and, of course, the rigged voting machines.

        And then, if you consider that a few hundred thousand military votes were thrown out because they were “accidentally” delayed and arrived a day late…

        Nope. This election was a sham.

      • eddie47d

        Another useless cheap shot by Kate 8. Bush never had any mandate in 2001 and lost the popular vote and look how he ruled. You say you don’t want to play the Republican/Democrat game but you do it all the time.

      • DaveH

        Kate didn’t say anything about Bush, Eddie. She didn’t say anything about Clinton or Reagan either, you useless Troll.

      • Kinetic1

        Kate didn’t have to say anything about Bush, Clinton, Reagan or any other president. The reason for noting Bush’s response to his second term win was to put her comments in context.

        Setting aside Kate’s obvious disdain for Obama and her belief that the election was rigged in his favor, she offers us a set facts that are meant to lead us to believe that, despite winning the election most Americans do not support the President or his goals. Well, what good are facts if they are not related to history? In the 2004 election, 60.4% of registered voters turned out. Of those, 50.7% voted for then President Bush. So, following Kate’s logic 70.2% of registered voters did not vote for Bush as opposed to her count of 70% who did not vote for Obama. (In truth, Kate rounded down Obama’s percentage which at last count was 51.4% and this source placed voter turnout at 57.5% so in fairness Obama’s non-support would be 72%.) So, Bush’s support base, according to Kate was 32%. In fact he won by the narrowest margin since 1916. Not much of a “mandate”, but it didn’t stop him from proclaiming “I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it.” So what does all this tell us about President Obama’s “mandate”? Not much, as the numbers below will show.

        Kate seems surprised and disgusted by the turnout and feels that Obama didn’t create enough excitement to really bring the voters out. Understandable when you consider that 62.3% voted in 2008. However, only 60.4% cast ballots in 2004 and 2000 was even worse with 54.2%.
        Read more:

        In fact it’s much worse than all that. The actual number of voting age Americans who registered and cast a vote in 2008 (as opposed to just the registered voters) is only 56.8%! But again, history folks, history.
        2004 – 55.3%
        2000 – 51.3%
        1996 – 49.1%
        1992 – 55.1%
        1988 – 50.1%
        1984 – 53.1%
        1980 – 52.6%

        In other words, Americans are, on average apathetic. It’s not a matter of whether or not the people were excited by Obama. Even Reagan, the great uniter and hero of the Republican party failed to draw the percentages of eligible voters that Obama, Bush or Clinton did. (He won 50.7% of the popular vote in 1980 and 58.8% in 1984.) So it all adds up to one thing. All these numbers and words to say – your point is useless, Kate.

        And that, my dear DaveH is why it was relevant to bring up Bush, even though Kate did not.

      • Rhonda Reichel

        Romney lost because he wasn’t a constitutional conservative…that’s the bottom line

        But you might be shocked to learn why the GOP does not fight voter fraud

    • Jasamine Molly

      This is so typical. My guy was simply misunderstood, your guy lied. Sadly, the two party system that was to be a safeguard against tyranny is now becoming the vehicle and the free press is driving the bus. The system is not broken but the people running it are. I would say Flush the bunch but alas, federal regulations have made the toilet too small to do the job.

      • Tony Newbill

        Obama bought his way back in with handouts and direct Government funding with 75 % of the US Society dependent on the Government in some form or fashion in a really extreme way that he has no funding for not even if he confiscates all the Profits from the private Sector , and he will be forced to tell those he promised all the FAIR PAY and Social JUSTICE coming from his Federal Government . ITS OVER the Idea that Obama will make you well off is Over , he will be telling you soon with a economic collpase that he cannot stop because the NUMBERS in the ECONOMY DO NOT ADD UP he will be telling you sorry but all we can do is pull together and use our Body Heat to try and survive through the winter !!!! HA HA HA heres what Socialism looks I hope you are happy you little GREENIES !!!!

      • http://google joseph yechout

        Hooray for ” useful idiots” only when you’re reduced to no jobs, no affordable food and energy will you see, maybe not, what has happened.

      • eddie47d

        Energy production is up in this country so stop blowing so much hot air.

      • GALT

        Sadly, the two party system that was to be a safeguard against tyranny is now becoming the vehicle and the free press is driving the bus.

        Sadly, those who don’t know history are doomed to remain “willfully ignorant” of it.

        Going back to those “mythical founders”, who lined up as Federalist’s vs the opposition,
        the anti-Federalists, and who met “illegally” and in “secret” in Philadelphia in 1787, the
        prevailing idea that was supposed to prevent “tyranny” was Madison’s Theory of

        The cause of the “war” that had just been fought had little to do with being a colony
        of the British, or government policies regarding taxation…….but the conditions that
        prevailed because of the East India Company a “private” but state sanctioned
        monopoly whose “business practices” produced the “conditions” that inspired
        the rebellion.

        The history which follows is simply the same forces re-establishing themselves from
        those early days to the present……with a few interventions by “government” which
        attempted to restore the balance…….to no avail, so that the problem you face
        today…….is the same one which inspired the “rebellion” in the first place……and
        where many of the “victims” are blind to whom they are being “victimized” by……
        are blaming other victims…….and believe that reducing the “powers” of the corrupted
        government…… the solution.

        As bad as the “free press” might be, they still provide FACTS…….which is way more
        than one get’s from filter’s like this one…….which ignores them altogether…….and
        why, of the three major parties….D.& R. & I. you have an incumbent president
        returning…….because if nothing else, the majority of people who bothered to
        vote were not stupid enough to let an “actual fox” inside the hen house.

        BTW much of what was produced by this “illegal secret meeting” in 1787, simply
        repeated what had already been done………and these proceedings were not
        “inspired eloquent debates”……..but quite similar to the level of debate that one
        can find on any given day in any bar in the country in the present day, with the
        notable exception that “alcohol consumption” was twice as much in 1787, than
        it is today…….which means a “bunch of drunks” produced what you all claim you
        want to return to whose end product made no one happy, which was why is was
        submitted to the “united states” for an “up or down vote” with no changes allowed.

        see Ratification: The People Debate the Constitution by Pauline Maier

        For all the mythology surrounding those thrilling days of yesteryear, it seems
        the Articles of Confederation are conveniently omitted from all such discussion,
        so you might be interested in taking a look at them……

        Even if you have never read them…….much should be familiar…….but pay particular
        attention to the number of times “united States” and “United States” are used……

        As for the solution……..whatever you believe……it does not lie with less “government”,
        since it is not doing enough of what it should be doing now……..and it is not serving
        the “general welfare” or promoting the “common good”……..

        “To conquer, first DIVIDE!!!! ” ( and then HANG, separately. )

      • kw

        The feds have usurped States’ and individual rights for decades. So, it would make sense to resolve the problem with all persons who would prefer a federal government, as per the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights, to organize to cause for such enforcements, however that may be achieved. Some examples may be to, temporarily, pay only State taxes, elect only “Constitutionalist” persons to represent the people, establish a new country based on the Constitution and the Bill OF Rights which would, more easily and comfortably allow for persons not desirous of such a government to “progressively” govern, or “socialist” govern, or “communist” govern.

        Government is “force”. Likeminded folks should live however they decide to live, but not expect to force their wishes upon their neighbors. Constitutionalists like the idea of self direction, whereas, other folks would prefer a government system that would cause for folks in government to dictate to them their life’s cycle. So be it. Constitutionalists, don’t dictate to others that they should choose self-reliance and people who require a government sponsored way of life refrain from forceing Constitutionalists to do the same.

        More simply, the people of the U.S. register as Constitutionalists or not. Then, such likemindedness will seek out specific areas of the U.S. What develops is an agreement to govern, accordingly. Yes, separate countries will have developed, but it will have been accomplished peacefully and is far more acceptable than the adverse scenario to appeasement of the masses. Of course, tyrants would unlikey accede to such a COMPROMISE.

      • GALT

        Fascinating concept…….but not the reality you are facing…….you lost the
        constitution in 1938………and until you know how……..getting it back will not
        happen……..and despite what you may believe…….you have no source of information
        that is telling you HOW you lost it…….the Paul’s, Napolitano, et al included…….

        but you can start here…….

        you may then begin to devise a “proper plan”………

      • RevNowWhileWeCan

        You seemed pretty well-versed on the history of the US that a lot of people don’t know about. I was wondering if you’ve seen this and if so, what you think about it?

      • GALT

        Interesting link…..Rev……I took a real quick look…..and definitely intend to explore it
        in greater detail……thank you.

      • Donald Darden

        Good points. Sounds simplistic, doesn’t it? Just fix what is broke and get on with it.

        Doesn’t work though. This is not the 18th century, and none of us should be blind to the fact that the evil side of man is always there to raise its ugly head. Check the news and note where man does terrible things to others, and know that this is world-wide. Our Forefathers were apparently blind to this, just as any philosophy that does not take a real look at man as he truly is, will end up being an ideology that fails and disappoints.

        A good form of government cannot be so simplistic. It has to not only be prepared to deal with evil when it shows itself, it has to decide who is fit to be protected by its powers and guarantees, and it has to know how to keep Evil from coming to the fore and simply taking over. Id that possible? Is that doable at this point? I have my serious doubts.

        Mind you, I liked the country I was once a part of, but I haven’t seen much evidence of that country in decades. And it is not coming back. That’s the thing that people have to understand. You cannot unwind time, and you cannot undo what has been done.

      • DaveH

        Galt says — “Sadly, those who don’t know history are doomed to remain “willfully ignorant” of it”.
        Note two things about that sentence. The first is that Galt doesn’t know anything about History, or he’d know that Socialism has never worked for the average citizens. The second is that Galt will quickly insult those who don’t buy his Propaganda, as is the behavior of any Bully who wants to take advantage of you, not by voluntary cooperation, but by coercive methods which start with milder forms of manipulation but graduate to violence as you shun the lesser coercion.
        Before 18th century America there were isolated Democracies which rose to prominence, but then crumbled, as Democracies do when the Leaders learned that they could buy their Power by giving their voters (the Non-Producers) rides on other peoples’ backs (the Producers). But the majority of Governments throughout history were those ruled by the Feudal Lords or other such Socialistic systems where the people with the Power (the Real One Percenters) lived high on the backs of their Producer citizens.
        But Galt and his Progressive ilk would like to ram their Prehistoric system down your throats whether you like it or not. Socialism always takes Force because it is a system of Enslavement. People normally will not make the efforts required to become Productive citizens if they can’t keep what they worked hard to earn. They won’t put in the long hours of education or work, and they won’t risk the humiliation of failure or loss of money, if the benefit from those efforts just goes to other people who aren’t Producers. So as the portion of Socialism in society grows, the Productive efforts shrink — Fewer Producers, Fewer Goods and Services. And we end up with the inevitable results of Socialism — Poverty for most, but Power and Riches for the Leaders and their Politically Connected sycophants.
        Socialism always Fails when they run out of other peoples’ wealth. After that failure the Leaders will revert to a more Capitalistic system, like they did in Russia and China, until the Producers create new Wealth and society then becomes rich enough again to start the Socialistic cycle of Envy and Greed (Non-Producers taking from the Producers) all over again.

        Note that Wealth isn’t fiat Money. It is the things that are bought with that fiat money, unless we have Real Money — Gold or some other precious commodity that is both Wealth and Money.
        Read this excellent book to learn about Real Money:

      • GALT

        DavidH and his real money sit in a desert…..I have no money, but have camels, water and food………so ends that story………did I sell DavidH a camel or water or food…….NO……
        strange how I ended up with all the real money too…….the concept of real wealth can be so ephemeral……..

        Richard Gere in Pretty Woman: You can’t charge me for directions!!!!!
        Julia Roberts: I can do anything I want……..I ain’t lost.

        No reason to deal with the non history…….or DavidH…..when you are lost, but don’t know
        it………what is the point?

        Quite simple yet way beyond any possible understanding…….

        Until next time my “functionally illiterate” recalcitrant!

      • DaveH

        More adolescent personal attacks from the incoherent Socialist Galt.
        This, Folks, is what you let yourself in for when you are attracted to the siren song of the Socialists. They will promise you Heaven, but you will get Hell instead. But what should you expect when you join in their theft of other peoples’ money?

        • pissed off and liberal

          DaveH do us all a favor including yourself if you’re going to badmouth something actually learn what it is first so you can aviod having to regurgatate decades old republican garbage

      • walter agard

        Why don’t you people stop blaming and face reality.OBAMA wins, you could see why and give him a chance to complete his good tasks. He was a good president president for the last 4 years and he will continue do that for a next 4 years The point is you cant see what he did because you putting lots of hate into your system. If you want back where it was the only thing now is for all of us to join in and help with what ever we can. we don’t want to be bickering all the time, that wont get us no where.

      • DaveH

        Yes, Folks, do as Walter says. Submit your wallet and your personal choices passively like good little citizens who have no rights of their own.

      • Rhonda Reichel

        The only sensible thing to do is start voting 3rd party and stop hoping for miracles from these 2 corrupt parties

    • Paul Wells


      You are taking Chip to task over the “you didn’t build that” saying it’s out of context. But what about the fact that those who built businesses ALSO paid taxes to have those bridges, and highways built, and it wasn’t just for the good of the business in question. See, that’s the dishonest thing about you Obamaites, is you try to confuse and obfuscate. The business owner was paying taxes right along side everyone else, but the way O tries to spin it, big government is the only way that businessman could have been successful, and nothing could be further from the truth! Small business could flourish and become the job producers once again, if only government would get the heck out of the way!

      And as for the Romney 47% comment, let’s place that in context, also. That was a private fund raising event that a Democratic operative snuck into and planted a camera. Not exactly an above board way to spy on your opponent, but it does show the depths to which the Democrats will sink. BTW, Romney did say he didn’t phrase that well, and went on to acknowledge that veterans, elderly & others would be in that 47%, so you are beating a dead horse, there.

      As to Benghazi, yes, it’s possible that Romney was brought into the loop. I guess we’ll never know why this very seminal and important event was not pursued. It would seem truth loses out, and us along with it. Perhaps we’ll never know.

      Quit shooting the messenger. I think Chip layed out the facts as they are.

      • eddie47d

        They learned that trick from Republican operative James O’Keefe or have you forgotten Paul!

      • kinetic1

        YES, YOU GOT IT!
        “But what about the fact that those who built businesses ALSO paid taxes to have those bridges, and highways built, and it wasn’t just for the good of the business in question.”

        Good for you! That was the Presidents’ point. The sentence that followed that thought stream, the one the right avoided so as to create their attack phrase read;

        “The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

        That really changes the whole dynamic, now doesn’t it? And your comment about Romney’s’ 47%? I agree that secretly recording a private event carries with it some moral issues, but it wouldn’t have mattered had Gov. Romney not chosen to make such a despicable statement. Sure, once it was exposed he asked us to excuse him, saying “he didn’t phrase that well.” And yes, he “went on to acknowledge that veterans, elderly & others would be in that 47%”, but did that erase what he had said?

        Romney was wrong and you are doing exactly what you claim “Obamaites” do! You are trying to diminish my point by noting Romney’s apology, as if they were somehow equal. Well what would you expect him to do? He may have meant every word of what he said about those “47 percent”, but unlike Obama’s statement which was simply pulled out of context, Romney was caught saying something that REQUIRED an apology!

        So you see, it has nothing to do with “Obamaites” being “dishonest” or trying to “confuse and obfuscate”. No matter how you spin it, all I did was bring clarity and facts to these oft quoted moments, something the right continues to avoid.

      • GALT

        But did they pay the “taxes”………you might assume that was true…….but
        the FACTS will not support that myth……..the corporations which control your
        lives………have become experts at playing “states” off against one another
        with the promise of “jobs”……in exchange for tax exemptions of all kinds……
        including being able to “appropriate” the state income taxes which their own
        employees pay……..which never get to the state.

        Be very wary of “privatization” of any kind of “government service” if it is anywhere
        near you or being considered by any level of state government for anything……..
        especially public utilities or resources like water.

        For further details see The Fine Print;by David Cay Johnston

      • kinetic1

        You have a point, but I felt that in this discussion we were talking more about the average small business owner. There is no question but that many larger corporations, including those “small businesses” owned by folks like the Koch brothers abuse the system, but I believe it was the Mom and Pop store fronts who were most offended by the President’s misrepresented remarks.

      • GALT

        Trick with that kinetic……is that the truly small business owner is just as much a
        victim as everyone else……….and it is the large CORPORATIONS who are victimizing
        them along with everyone else…….in one way or another.

        You gotta know who the enemy is………to take your eyes off it for a second, to become distracted, is to fail.

        If you believe “market competition” is the answer…….the you have to provide the
        environment for it………bust up these huge conglomerates……..because right now,
        you really don’t have competition………even when it might appear that you do…..

        You can not espouse “free markets, deregulation and capitalism” and then try to
        walk a line which seeks to somehow separate “crony capitalists” as being somehow
        “not capitalists”…..especially when they are the one’s who are not regulated and control
        those free markets…….and corrupted your “government” besides…..

        If you were a design engineer, your first task is a “stable design”…..something that works,
        tweaking it for greater efficiency can be tried later…….and STABILITY is always a primary
        concern……..more efficiently unstable is a bit counter productive……and risky…..

        Not that this does not have its uses……say with “fighter aircraft”, but you don’t build
        passenger jets to those specifications or for that purpose……

      • DaveH

        For those who are smart enough to not just take the word of a Liberal Progressive as to what Obama really said at Roanoke, Virginia:

        Notable — ” If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen”.
        Somebody else “made” that happen? So if you just sat back and did nothing, somebody else would do it for you? What a joke. Only a green-eyed Liberal Progressive Follower could swallow that.
        Sure everybody gets help from others at one time or another in a Free Society, but that help has been paid for already in a Voluntary system of exchange. Sometimes in a Free Society, people help other people for non-monetary rewards (Love, admiration, or some other emotional benefit), but the obligation of the person helped stops there. You can’t offer somebody Free help and then later attach strings to that Free help that the person helped wasn’t aware of at the time you offered that help (Unless you’re an immoral Liberal Progressive maybe).
        One thing is for sure. If you didn’t build that business, Government sure didn’t. Government is your silent partner who offers no assistance to build your business, but is happy to take the fruits of your labor if you succeed. If the Socialists are really so valuable to your business, then why don’t they give you a choice if you want their assistance or not? After all, any smart person (like the Liberal Progressives THINK they are) would gladly voluntarily pay for that assistance if it was really valuable.
        The bottom line is that the Non-Producers (Socialists) must use the Force of Government to accomplish their goals because few Producers would voluntarily accept the Socialists’ Non-Productive services.

      • DaveH

        I like this snake-oil line from Obama’s speech in Roanoke — “What’s at stake is a decision between two fundamentally different views about where we take the country right now. And the choice is up to you”.
        The choice is up to us? If it was up to us, then why do we need the Force of Government? I choose voluntary exchanges and contracts with my fellow man. I choose a Government that exists only to protect me from the Force of others who would otherwise trespass on my body or my property, NOT one which Forces me to do things I don’t want to do. That protection would take about 1/10th of the resources that our Government currently consumes. Instead of paying 40% of our GDP on Government, we would only be spending 4%, and keeping the rest for ourselves.
        Clearly the choice is not up to us. Rather it is up to those who have enough muscle to Force us to do things THEIR way.
        The only real choice is do you join the multitude of the Immoral Non-Productive Takers, or do you join the multitude of Moral Producers in a system of Voluntary Exchange absent the Monopoly Coercive Force of Big Government? The Former choice is the Road to Poverty and Serfdom, while the Latter choice is the Road to Prosperity and Freedom.

      • GALT

        the “truth” as spoken by the “functional illiterate” who never produced anything but might have been lucky to have worked for a “copy cat” producer…….

        Clearly, his solution is to not be the next victim……his tactic is to whine…..sad to go
        through most of your life being clueless……

        Time is the only asset you have……..DavidH……or have ever had…….when you finally
        realize this you might manage to actually do something with what remains……

        Capitalism awaits,,,,,,,make ‘von mises’…….. the liberal ………..proud???????

      • JeffH

        DaveH, you’re a wise man, morally and ethically, and have provided your fellow PLD commentors with the necessary tools to read, research and understand the ideas of a free society.

        You have become arch enemy #1 to the progressive shills and the neo-cons refuse to open their minds to the ideas our founding fathers left us with. I’m not saying this because I think you are perfect, afterall you are human too, I’m saying this because I appreciate your efforts to share, to provide the resources so that others can make their choices based on good, sound history and common sense.

        It’s pretty pathetic to see most of the garbage, the lies, misinformation and deceit and pure ignorance that some posters choose to display in their comments. Lord only knows I’ve had my moments too, but unfortunately those that root for social justice and global equality are some of the most immoral, uncompationate ignorant individuals I’ve never had the pleasure to meet.

        That the neo-cons and the anti-liberty progressive forces have decided you are a target of their distain for the Constitution and the founders vision of freedom and liberty, that your foundation is firmly based on the ideals of individual freedom and liberty speaks volumes about the threat you pose to them and their message. The idea that you can help a few like myself to expand and look at the bigger picture of what our freedom and liberty was meant to be and realize that the founding fathers gave us all the tools we needed to suppress an overeaching government is the best contribution anyone could make here. It’s sad that so many have to attack the message and the messenger.

        You are truely an American Patriot DaveH.

        PLD has sacrificed their time & effort the same way you have and it’s just pitifull that evil has the upper hand. I hope I’m still alive to see good triumph over evil but in all honesty…I’ll be long gone before that time comes.

      • GALT

        From another recommended book the “functional illiterate” will NEVER read……

        Best-selling author and global finance expert Satyajit Das reveals the spectacular, dangerous money games that are generating increasingly massive bubbles of fake growth, prosperity, and wealth–while endangering the jobs, possessions, and futures of virtually everyone outside finance.

        There’s old money; then there’s new money. Old money is the stuff of storied Mayflower descendants in the Hamptons or hyphenated names and titles in London’s South Kensington. New money is the arriviste stuff brandished by Russian oligarchs who buy Chealski football club, and hedge fund managers with a taste for modern art works called The Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Someone Living.

        There’s hard money, there’s fiat money, and there’s debt. Gold, greenbacks, dollars, pounds, euros, loonies (Canadian dollars), aussies (Australian dollars), kiwis (New Zealand dollars), Chinese renminbi, Indian rupees, Russian roubles, Brazilian reals, South African rands, Kuwati dinars, Saudi riyals, and the Zambian kwatcha. In the film Other People’s Money, Lawrence Garfield, aka Larry the Liquidator, played by Danny de Vito, tells his lawyer that everyone calls it “money” because everybody loves “money.”

        In truth, money exists only in the mind. It is a matter of trust. With trust, comes the possibility of betrayal. The late Michael Jackson understood money’s essence, urging people to lie, spy, kill, or die for it.

        That would be : Extreme Money……..

        In the non fiction adult section of your local public library…… waiting, ever.

      • kinetic1

        You’re as bad as the rest of the right wing talking heads! First you attack,
        “For those who are smart enough to not just take the word of a Liberal Progressive as to what Obama really said at Roanoke, Virginia:”
        Then you offer a link to the full 45 minute speech knowing full well that the average reader will not want to sit through it waiting for this one passage, and finally you jump right in and pull lines out of context.
        “Notable — ” If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen”.”

        I don’t expect anyone to take my word for it, but I expect people on this site to be smart enough to find the transcripts themselves. For the sake of accuracy, here is a link
        Notice that it is a FOX link, so don’t bother with accusations of Liberal tampering.

        Now, to the actual context.
        ” If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges.”

        Up to this point the President is simply pointing out that no man is an island. We all have been influenced by people in our lives, and we have all benefitted from the hard work of those who came before us, whether they built the roads or simply worked to provide the funds (through their taxes) to build them.

        “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

        These are the two sentences that have caused all the stir. Note that they are preceded by comments about “this unbelievable American system” and “Somebody invested in roads and bridges.” This is the context to which these comments were directed, but left by themselves they do sound inflammatory. That’s exactly why people like you, DaveH choose to separate them from the rest. And so we continue

        “The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.”

        More context relating to the statement “you didn’t build that.”

        “The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

        And there is the line that wraps it all up. This whole section of the speech is about how we depend on each other and support each other. Mom and Pop businesses recognize this. There is a long tradition of employers who treat their employees like family, of towns that come together to help their friends when their business falls on hard times due to illness in the family or natural disasters. “we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”

      • DaveH

        Only Ignorant Liberal Progressives, who have their eyes firmly fixed on other peoples’ wallets, can not see the underlying message of Obama’s speech — That Government has created those conditions and therefore has a right to help themselves to the earnings of others.
        The fact that you would make a big deal of my posting of the whole speech speaks volumes about your lack of integrity, Kinetic, because there is no more fair exposure than to hear the actual words that came out of Obama’s mouth, rather than an interpretation by a 3rd party.
        Unlike you, Kinetic, I gave the reader’s a chance to see the whole picture, rather than a few sound bites.
        The fact that we work together has absolutely no bearing on who creates what. As I said earlier, people with integrity, if they have strings attached to their goods or services, announce those strings before the recipient agrees to the deal. Afterwards you have absolutely no claim to anything that person does or owns.

      • DaveH

        The hypocrisy of a Liberal Progressive:
        Kinetic says — “That’s exactly why people like you, DaveH choose to separate them from the rest”.
        But earlier he chastised me for linking to the whole Obama speech — “Then you offer a link to the full 45 minute speech knowing full well that the average reader will not want to sit through it waiting for this one passage”.
        You can’t have it both ways, Kinetic, even if you are a Liberal Progressive.

      • DaveH

        Thank you so much, JeffH, for your kind words.

      • kinetic1


        “The hypocrisy of a Liberal Progressive:
        Kinetic says — “That’s exactly why people like you, DaveH choose to separate them from the rest”.
        But earlier he chastised me for linking to the whole Obama speech — “Then you offer a link to the full 45 minute speech knowing full well that the average reader will not want to sit through it waiting for this one passage”.
        You can’t have it both ways, Kinetic, even if you are a Liberal Progressive.”

        Dave, you are so disingenuous. Yes, I questioned your choice of linking to a 45-minute speech, not because it allowed people to hear everything, but because it required them to wait and wait to get the passage in question. Had you given them a time reference, then perhaps I wouldn’t have said anything, but since this whole argument stems from one passage it’s ridiculous to offer the whole speech. That’s why I offered a link to a transcript that placed it in context without asking readers to search through page after page.

        So yes, I can have it “both ways!” You offered up a video almost guaranteed to frustrate anyone who wanted to hear the context of Obama’s line, then you provided the line out of context and with your own misleading, biased interpretation. My goal was to place the line in context and end this silly idea that the President doesn’t feel that you built your business. Clearly your goal was to keep the lie going, and then some.

    • deanbob

      ” We’ve gained about 4.2 million private sector jobs since early 2010, and that’s nothing to sneeze at,”………..Be above board. Why do you choose a boundary outside of Obama’s term? Obama’s own BLS said the NET jobs created since Obama was sworn is was 194,000.

      • kinetic1

        The number you quoted, 190,000 is net growth from the lowest point of the recession / the beginning of President Obama’s term when, in the middle of a crippling down turn we were loosing 75,000 jobs a month. The number I quoted is gross jobs created once we returned to the “zero” mark. Why would I choose the latter? Because of context. The point I was making is that over half a million public sector jobs; teachers, police and other government employees have been cut over the last 4 years. Due to resistance from conservative law makers, the jobs are not coming back, so the private sector has had to carry these numbers on top of their own. I’m not saying that your number is false, only that it’s out of place in the discussion.

      • Ned Roberts

        Deanbob – In January, 2009, 800,000 jobs were lost. Similar in February, 2009.

        Now, I suppose you could argue that it was because of fears about Obama that so many jobs were being lost, but a fair reading of the facts would disabuse you of that notion (see the “bikini graph” that shows job losses and gains under Bush and Obama:

        Once Obama’s stimulus had a chance to have an effect, job growth started again. This is not hard to understand. Even Romney said that his jobs record as governor shouldn’t include the first few months before his policies had a chance to take effect. Holding Obama to the same principle shows his record to be ok – and would be better by 1.5 to 2 million jobs had the Republican House approved his jobs act last year.

      • Rhonda Reichel

        low paying service jobs mostly AAAAACHOOOO

    • Shelia

      Right On Kinetic1 you hit the nail on the head, I agree with you. nuff said.

    • Earl

      You my poor misguided idiot. I pray for people like you who go to a church but don’t read the Bible or have any Christian beliefs. Two things I would you to think about 1)Sodom and Gomoram 2)abortion. If you went to a real church you would not have voted for Obama.

      • eddie47d

        That is one reason why many don’t trust Conservatives for they try and shove religion down their throats and take away a woman’s right to choose her family planning. Economics should have been the main focus during this election but you chose to bring up rape and slut comments over the last few months.

      • kinetic1

        “You my poor misguided idiot.” “If you went to a real church…”
        And just who are you to judge my church? Tell me, what is it about your church that makes it more “real” than mine? Is it an adherence to the belief that the Bible, though written by man and often inconsistent or self-contradictory, is the literal word of God and must be adhered to without question? Is it the word of the Pope, or a graduate of Oral Roberts University, or the ranting of some self proclaimed leader in Florida? Or perhaps you assume that my church must not be Christian and, therefore false in the eyes of “your” God? Lord how I pity those of you narrow minded “Christians” who believe their church is above all others.

      • alicia

        Earl, Earl, your are not God, do not pretend to be, don’t hide under that Christian blanked, You are man, man is not perfect. Kinetic speaks brilliant and you call him an idiot. Are you looking in the mirror?

      • kinetic1

        Thank you.

      • Lorbee

        How interesting it is going to be when people who voted for obama have to start saying ‘my God, Dinesh D’Souza was totally correct.” We will all suffer for the utter stupidity of the people of the United Socialist States of America. And by the way, not only did he say ‘you didn’t build that’ he also said ‘you’re not so smart. There are plenty of people smarter than you are.’ And the lap dogs lapped it up. Why? A free cell phone! Birth control! Yes, this is the the schlock voter in America today. Romney would have given the US a fighting chance to turn things around. But the hatred of anything and everything not obama is the reason why romney didn’t stand a chance. Foolish on every level. Down we go! Thanks, fools.

      • kinetic1

        My decision to vote for Obama had nothing to do with “hatred of anything and everything not obama(sic)” but rather a lack of trust in a man who has changed his position with every turn. Gov. Romney showed us in the last debate that he will say anything, take any position, even fawn over President Obama’s decisions and positions to try and win the election.

        As for your and Mr. D’Souza’s fearful vision of our nation’s future, I believe that this shows that it is your hatred of President Obama, for whatever reason that pushed many on the right to vote for a man they have shown little faith in over the years. Even pundits like Ann Coulter, Glen Beck and Shawn Hannity who were predicting a loss if Romney won the nomination suddenly did an abrupt about face, acting as if they were always behind him. But then they’re paid to shill for whatever candidate the party chooses, aren’t they.

      • Rhonda Reichel


    • jeff behrens

      Hope you have deep pockets and good health as you’re going to be needing both in the years to come.

      • Dorsetgal

        Jeff, you are exactly correct. Those that voted their beloved Savior back into office do not realize that they have cut their own throats. Anyone care about what is happening in Greece these days as their govt. slowly takes away the candy from their citizens? Live well today while you can, but all of us should understand we fall together. Half the country voted for more “Stuff.” While we are able to print our own money Obama supporters will get more stuff, but those still in the workforce will eventually have to pay until there is no more left to suck from the paychecks. Prepare for shortages my friends. It’s coming to a town near you.

      • eddie47d

        Dorsetgal: Obama is not the Savior or a Messiah so enough of your funny business. He won get use to it but don’t be misusing Jesus name in vain to enhance your comments.

      • Rosegarten

        These posts sounds like a 1947 newsoutlet. You should listen to Internet radio and some of the news events of the day: same old fears, not wanting to pay taxes, a communist and socialist under every rock, invasion of the country from aliens. What is the matter with white people?

    • Cliffystones

      To Kinetic1,

      “I’m not so naive as to believe that no one will take advantage of the system, ”

      Nor are any of us. Or for that matter, both political parties. But those in power could mostly care less about the misuse of OUR money. many in fact encourage it with a nod and a wink. And when I say “those in power” I include all former and current government employees and many, if not most of private sector managers and executives.

      It’s truly noble of you to be willing to donate your $7K of private health insurance money to the pubic fund. But how much of that money do you think will actually get to the point of providing for people who actually need healthcare/ And how much will be sponged up by a massive government bureaucracy?

    • Capitalist at Birth

      If you love socialism so much, why don’t you go to Cuba, Russia, or China instead of ruining this nation.

      • JT


      • eddie47d

        If you love Capitalism so much move to Singapore yet even they aren’t a pure form of capitalism. All we have in America is crony capitalism and they trashed our economy more than once.

      • Lorbee

        We are giving too much credit to the voters. The majority is clueless on issues. Just watch the ‘man on the street’ interviews Leno does–these people are so unaware of issues they shouldn’t even be allowed to vote–but they are, and their votes are bought by free cell phones and birth control and any other entitlement they can get their hands on and that is the long and short of obama’s re-election. They wouldn’t get off their ass to find a job, but you best believe they did to vote for the socialist hell bent on making america a welfare nation.

      • Smilee

        That’s right as there is no socialism here, just because so many say that it only reveals there lack of understanding of it and how irresponsible and stupid they are

      • DaveH

        Sure there is, Sleepee, all you need do is wake up and look around. But then you know that already, right?

    • chetan lutah

      KInetic1, You seem very happy to pay your taxes and just as happy we have an entitlement program. Maybe 47% isn’t right but I can remember when taking ANY entitlement from the US government was looked upon with scorn. Suffice to say that there is now a large portion of the population absolutely dependant on the government. That may be ok as a buffer but we’re seeing generational dependence. The entitlement mentality has become a lifestyle for many and our borders porous to those who want to exploit it.The Soviet Union embodied these same socialist ideas and it finally drove them into insolvance as it took away the will to work and produce at a high level. I am very willing to help my neighbor but I will not going provide him a living.
      BY bailing out GM (aka buying Ohio & MIchigan!) he allowed management practices to continue on that are inept and greedy and always at loggerheads with the UAW. The principles that this country was founded upon seem to be of no consequence any more and that’s what I find so appalling. I look at the election map on a county by county basis and I find a sea of red with a few blue dots here and there. Unfortunately they are clustered in the high population certers. DO NOT get the idea this election provides any kind of mandate because there are plenty of folks that do not like a continually growing & now perhaps unrestrained, federal government. The system of checks and balances are there for a reason. If you take this election out of context and force the entire population to support tow the federal line you are paving the way to disaster. America was founded as free place. If you want to live in a more socialistic scoiety, go to Europe. But wait, they’re on the edge of bankrupcy, too. Who will bail out the dis-United States of American when we go over the edge?

      • UWorlds1

        Bush is actually the one that started the auto bailout. We also bailed out wall street. Obama did not get that vote, so your premise is flawed. Quit watching faux news.

      • Flashy

        Chetan…if you would think…there is very little in your life you enjoy that is not in some way tied to government. That is what made us great…all People, all states..everyone pitches in and, as a group and as one, utilize those resources to build and ensure a modern society.

      • DaveH

        For those who want to see real world experience as created by Big Government:

        Flashman will spew his propaganda all day long if you’re foolish enough to sit and listen, but Socialism is Neither supported by Logic Nor supported by real-world Experience.

      • Johnny

        okay, let me get this straight….most of the blue states pay more to the federal govenrment than they take in, and the RED states, pay in less than they get… red state people are the TRUE takers… dont have enough people in your states to pay for the services you need. The population centers are where democrats win. The country where you people cling to your guns and your bible are where republicans win. If you look at the 2010 election of Perry for governor here in texas, you can see that he won in the country areas and the population centers he took a shellacking…..AND he wouldnt debate his opponents….woops, I guess we know why. Now he refuses to set up the insurance exchange here in texas so people can be covered under the affordable health care LAW. Well, guess what, I am gonna do everything in my power that this is Rick Perry’s last term as governor and then he can go and pray all he wants. Republicans got their behinds handed to them because their policies SUCK. If they had any good policy to speak of, they may have won SOMETHING. Wait until next time when all of these tea party seats are up for grabs again, I think joe walsh is out, allen west is out and so will all of these other crazy tea party people in the next election. THEY are the reason this country is not moving forward.

      • http://Yahoo Harold Smith

        How right you are! I emigrated from England 10 years after WWII. During the war we had a coalition government and it worked fine, both parties pulled together to solve our problems. As soon as the war was over we went back to the two Party system and the country went down the tubes. I was there when the National Health system was introduced, there weren’t enough beds in the hospitals to cope with the influx of patients. People were walking around with appendicitis, the only way they could get treated was if the appendix burst! Obamacare will be a repetition of that, if the doctors don’t quit, if they do it will be even worse. This is a great country but I am very fearful at the way our poliical system is ruining it. People should read Ayn Rands “Atlas Shrugged” to see where we are heading. I sure hope that both parties can pull together to solve our problems, we may be over the fiscal cliff already.

      • kinetic1

        I don’t see this election as a mandate and judging by his speech today, I don’t believe President Obama does either. And I understand how you fell, living in a rural dairy town myself, but before you start in with stories about the hard working red-staters who want nothing to do with Obama’s Socialist agenda, consider this: of the 24 states that went red this year, 23 receive more money from the Feds than they put in. An average of $1.29 for each tax dollar paid.

        #2 – Mississippi receives 2.02 per tax dollar paid.
        #3 – Alaska receives 1.84
        #4- Louisiana receives 1.78
        #5 – West Virginia receives 1.76
        #6 – North Dakota receives 1.68
        #7 – Alabama receives 1.66
        #8 – South Dakota receives 1.53
        #10 – Kentucky receives 1.51
        #11 – Montana receives 1.47
        #14 – Arkansas receives 1.41
        #16 – Oklahoma receives 1.36
        #17 – South Carolina receives 1.35
        #18 – Missouri receives 1.32
        #19 – Tennessee receives 1.27
        #20 – Idaho receives 1.21
        #21 – Arizona receives 1.19
        #22 – Kansas receives 1.12
        #23 – Wyoming receives 1.11
        #24 – Nebraska receives 1.10
        #27 – North Carolina receives 1.08
        #28 – Utah receives 1.07
        #31 – Indiana receives 1.05
        #32 – Georgia receives 1.01
        #36 – Texas receives 0.94

        Blue states, on the other hand receive an average of only .99 for each dollar. Only 9 of these 26 states receive more than they put in. The bottom 9 receive less than $.80!
        #1 – New Mexico receives 2.03 per tax dollar paid.
        #9 – Virginia receives 1.51
        #12 – Montana receives 1.47
        #13 – Hawaii receives 1.44
        #15 – Maine receives 1.41
        #25 – Iowa receives 1.10
        #26 – Vermont receives 1.08
        #29 – Pennsylvania receives 1.07
        #30 – Ohio receives 1.05
        #33 – Rhode Island receives 1.00
        #34 – Oregon receives 0.98
        #35 – Florida receives 0.97
        #37 – Michigan receives 0.92
        #38 – Washington receives 0.88
        #39 – Wisconsin receives 0.86
        #40 – Massachusetts receives 0.82
        #41 – Colorado receives 0.81
        #42 – New York receives 0.79
        #43 – California receives 0.78
        #44 – Delaware receives 0.77
        #45 – Illinois receives 0.75
        #46 – Minnesota receives 0.72
        #47 – New Hampshire receives 0.71
        #48 – Connecticut receives 0.69
        #49 – Nevada receives 0.65
        #50 – New Jersey receives 0.61

        There’s a lot of talk from the right about the evils of redistribution and socialism, but when it comes right down to it they don’t seem to mind government hand outs.

      • DaveH

        Could it be further proof that Conservatives are just smarter than Liberals, Kinetic? Just kidding.

        Obviously you aren’t a Scientist, Kinetic. There are so many possible influencing factors that without rigorous study the conclusion you reach can not be supported. And to date, I have seen no such study.
        Here are some attempts to explain the situation:

      • DaveH

        Here’s another:

        • Smilee


          Most of the blue states do not have right to work laws so they pay more taxes and much goes to the red states to pay for earned income credits for the underpaid in the red states whom most have right to work laws. The wage earners in blue states are still better off even after paying more in taxes and getting less back

      • DaveH
    • Flashy

      Good detailed rebuttal Kinetic…

      Chip’s laments are indicative of the shock from the extremists that the nation would reject them “with a bullet” . President Obama won with a majority of votes (50.5%) . it’s estimated hurricane sandy cost him 800,000 additional votes. His total vote tally is over 62,000,000 (just 4 mil shy of his ’08 totals). He won the majority of Cuban American votes in Florida. And, to put to bed the claims he was voted in by non white voters…he won in Wisconsin , Iowa, Oregon, Washington, etc…none having significant ,minority populations, dominating urban centers, or huge welfare rolls. President Obama garnered 332 Electoral votes, a smidgeon less than the 360 he garnered in ’08…(Indiana and north Carolina switched) The only..I repeat..the only segment the GOP dominated was the southern white male.

      It is as sound a spanking as the political world can hand out.

      Now we have people like Sean Hannity who are loudly proclaiming they have ‘evolved’ on issues such as immigration, etc. EVOLVED ? On such a dramatic and inner value system in only one day?

      We had the GOP “insiders” (including Wayne Root of PLD) claiming the polls were wrong and the national media were lying to us. That they had access to the ‘true numbers’ showing Romney in a landslide. Basically, we have snake oil salesman lying to the public so the extreme right would send them money. A con job. And the excuse now of those who lied about the numbers? “it would have been worse without us” … think about that. Without the inundation of lies, of fables, of making stuff up to create fear…HAD THEY TOLD THE TRUTH the GOP and the extremists would have been rejected by a larger margin than a sound slap down.

      We have the extremists..the TPers, the American Taliban, yes…even PLD…claiming that only the extremist positions are correct. Only the extremist positions will guide us to the Promised Lands, and all the while they proclaim themselves patriotic Americans…they call for complete rejection of the People’s decision. The TP has its numbers because a certain segment, a loud whining segment, falls for the TP Trilogy … fear, hate./anger/ignorance. The formula to garner this vocal, very minority in numbers, segment is simple. Take a subject or policy, twist the facts into a parallel universe, and tell people they have to fear it, or be angry about it, or the effects are going to be worse than any reputable expert’s forecast.

      Back in April, I had to make a preliminary call for future planning and positioning. It’s my job. My forecast, one which I have stayed with throughout…is President Obama would win and, if the GOP didn’t change tracks in strategy, the Dems would spank them…perhaps even controlling the House. The facts and reasoning was obvious and easy.

      Two pronged. .

      One. Nixon won his landslide in ’72 because he campaigned in reliance that those screaming the loudest were not the People. Most voters are not involved daily n watching politics. And when they hear a wacky statement…they take it in, mentally note the speaker and idea as ‘what a lunatic”, and go on their way. Nixon relied on the Silent Majority. Just because someone is screaming doe not mean everyone agrees with the screams.

      The second is straight from both Nixon and Reagan’s campaign. Forward. A positive message and showing where this country will be led…forward. Romney and the GOP attacked progress and promised nothing less, and nothing more, than a return to the past. Ain’t gonna win much in America…a nation of optimistic can-doers . Negativity does not jive wth America’s mentality. Nor do doomsayers and snake oil salesmen go unrecognized .

      The GOP, TPers and Amrican Taliban proclaim “liberty!” as their mantra…then move to restrict immigration, restrict voting, restrict women’s rights, restrict environmental protections, restrict worker safety and right to organize, restrict rights to be with the one you love, restrict access to the courts for redress of wrongs, restrict freedom of movement without an ID card showing citizenship, restrict restrict restrict…… in essence, calling for liberty and freedom all the while working to restrict everything they object to in keeping “purity” as they see it. Folks…America doesn’t buy it.

      Be honest about what the message is. Extremism is rejected. Deal with it.

      • Limestone Freedom

        It’s obvious that following the Constitution is extremism in your viewpoint. I call it Patriotic adherence to the founding of our country… and yes it does take extreme measures to be great at anything. No person or country rises to the top by being mediocre. It takes hard work, perseverance and the will to succeed, all of which could be considered “extreme”. What I hear from you is that you want America to be middle of the road, play nice, do whatever the (one world) government tells you, and be a happy little slave to mediocrity. I’ll take the extreme position of wanting to follow the Constitution and the guarantees of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness it was designed to give!

      • bill

        Flashy, your argument is somewhat dulled by the fact that Obama didn’t win ONE state where Picture Voter ID was required. Something stinks in Denmark me thinks.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Be honest about what the message is. Extremism is rejected. Deal with it”.
        Flashman should take his own advice and be “honest”. He is just an administration shill who will lie to you, ridicule you, use manipulative buzz-words (like Extremism), and whatever other adolescent techniques he can pull out of his bag of tricks to keep you from thinking for yourself.
        Flashman is a good example of the morally bereft Liberal Progressives who want to take your money (for themselves mostly) and run your life.

      • kinetic1

        I couldn’t agree more. The Republican propaganda machine, lead by Rush Limbaugh who himself was mentored and promoted by ABC / Capital Cities in the late 80s / early 90s has shown itself to be an unabashed mouth piece for the conservative wing, virtually quoting the parties daily talking points memos.

        Freedom” seems to have become the code word for “I want it my way.” I don’t want to pay taxes, but I want good roads, reliable utilities and local / border / national security. I don’t want my neighbor to infringe on my way of life, but I don’t want anyone to tell me what I can and can’t do. I want to be free to believe in what I want and live as I please, but I want YOU to follow my interpretation of the Constitution AND my Church’s teachings.

      • http://na Mike in NE

        Flushly, more use of the name American Taliban. It would be interesting to have a one minute face to face with you, as I would fit your description. You come here to enlighten us horrific American Taliban for what reason comrade?

      • DaveH

        That is the biggest load of double-speak I’ve seen yet in one of your comments. To act as if all those qualities are possessed by every Conservative is just downright, well, Liberal Progressive thinking (or lack thereof).

      • kinetic1

        I didn’t suggest that “those qualities are possessed by every Conservative”, but I see you have little issue with blanketing all “Liberal Progressives.”

    • daniel

      You already had your mind made up. If you had of taken the time to check Barak you would know what is going to happen. As it is You can start paying now. It was about more than ACA. But that is okay, you asked for him and now you got him.
      We will have people on fixed incomes having to decide between utilities and food or even housing. At least though they will be in line for a check up. You can save it to show me ion a year if I am wrong but the trend is there and will accelerate.
      Just think about how much smaller the Fed would have been if block grants to the states would have been implemented? Just think about how much control the people would have had. Think about all the federal employees that would be out of work and the useless regulations that suck up the money before it even gets to where it is supposed to go. You see you never got it. You just heard the piper and not the song.

      • eddie47d

        Then why didn’t the Conservatives endorse the Heritage Foundations healthcare plan and get behind it? Why didn’t they approve when when Republicans endorsed an earlier plan. Nothing but cheap politics! Why did Conservatives allow Big Pharma to run rampant and over charge on every single prescription put out? Why didn’t Conservatives reign in those huge price increases from the private healthcare industry in the years past? You did nothing and now you want to bellyache!.

    • Informed

      That was impressive. I read this site and sometimes forget to check facts and I get all up in arms until I do my own research. The points about Romney and his need for improvement were valid though.


      Kinetic, lets look at it this way. Jose and John. Jose came to the U.S. in hopes of a better life. Since he is undocumented and broke the immigration law to begin with, he is hired “under the table” and pays ZERO taxes. John on the other hand was born and raised in the U.S. His parents taught him hard work and values. To learn a trade, support his family and pay his taxes.

      Jose and John both make $20.00 an hour ($800 per week). Jose pays zero taxes, John pays federal, state, unemployment and all local taxes. That takes about 30% of Johns pay ever week (-$240). That leaves John with $560 and Jose still has $800. John also has too pay for his families health insurance, another -$150.00 leaving John with $410.00. Jose still has his $800.00 and uses the free medical supplied by Johns taxes. John still has to pay for groceries. Another -$150 per week (approximately) which leaves him with $260.00. Jose gets an EBT card from the state supplied by Johns taxes. Jose still has $800.00.

      John pays his vehicle insurance -$100.00 a week (approximately) which leaves him with $160. Jose (not having insurance) still has $800.00. Let’s not forget about rent. $160 gets you a rat hole. $800 get you a fairly nice place.

      We haven’t even touched on a car payment, clothes, sundries and everyday essentials. John still has to come up with the money for that (possibly asking for help from parents or friends). He is now in a negative. Jose (having an EBT card) can buy what ever he wants while sending money back to his homeland.

      If John tries to get help from the government, he has to fill out a book of questions concerning his finances in which he has to give his parents information/income etc… Then is denied because he has a vehicle (take the bus) his parents make too much money (borrow from them). And worst of all, he is an American citizen!

      You think this sounds like [comment has been edited]? Well it happend to me when I came back from Iraq in 1991. I was hurt (told it was a muscle strain) and discharged from the military. I was a pipefitter apprentice (3rd period) when I left. I reported back to the hall, I was sent out on a job site. I was having difficiulty trying to work (turns out I had a torn rotorcuff). I was taken off the job and I went to the doctor and found out what was wrong. I informed the military, no help, I went to the state for help (food stamps) and was told to get help from my family because my parents made too much money. I was also told to sell one of our vehicles and take the bus! While standing in line to try for assistance, there was a lady and her young child (about 2 years old). The child had a beautiful gold necklace and gold bracelt. the mother was also adorned with nice jewelry. She got up to the window, spoke in spanish (found out she spoke no english) received her food stamps, housing allowance and then got set up to see a doctor.

      I did get unemployment but didn’t qualify for any disability benefits since it was a military issue. My case was opened with the military so I could be seen. I had to fill out “a book” (called an LOD, Line of duty) in order to get reviewed and into the system. In the meantime, I couldn’t meet my mortgage, had trouble paying my insurances, HAD to borrow money and food from family members. While waiting to be put back onto active duty, I received speratic pay. Maybe every 2-4 weeks I would get something. It was too little tooo late. We were forced to file for protection from debtors.

      It took us YEARS to get out of debt. Our credit was absolutely screwed. We lived day to day scratching by. My state government wouldn’t help us. The taxes I had paid went to someone else. The union (of which I didn’t get to go back to) had taken all of my benefits (vacation, sick time and health) and told me I had to work another 1000 hours to qualify for them again. I would have to not only go to school two nights a week with the class I was with BUT, had to attend an additional two nights a week to catch up to my class. I wouldn’t be working because I would have to sit at the hall until called AND STILL had to pay dues on top of it all.

      Yes this is long but you can see where I am going with this. The American tax payer gets screwed, the immigrant gets the benefits of our taxes. The unions don’t get in trouble for stealing from members but they get to make all the rules while in bed with our government officials since they use OUR money to lobby, pay off officials and line their pocket with our hard earned pay. The democratic party DOES enable people with entitlements, Obama phones, amnesty, free schooling, free tuition in colleges and universities. You think I am being HARSH? Both my wife and myself are “legal immigrants”. We came here the right way, our parents got jobs, paid taxes, put us through school and we became productive tax paying members of society. I served 22 years in the military, served 3 years as a police officer and we still work full time paying “our fair share”!

      So, YOU tell me, how fair is it that Americans that have to struggle, pay their taxes, can’t find work and try to do everything “by the book” can’t get ahead?? The entitlement mentality in this country is going to come back to bite them in the A**! We are headed for a socialist society. They want our guns, are raising taxes, OVER taxing people who make $250k a year, letting tax breaks expire (to include child and house taxes) giving amnesty to illegals (and in the case of Los Angeles) giving drivers licenses to illegals! How fair is all of this cr*p?

      The Democratic party IS the socialist party! Now, we have another four years of sky rocketing debt (possibly another 5-6 trillion), Obama care that is actually a tax. If you don’t buy it, you get fined! what about the illegals or people that CAN’T afford it, are they going to get fined? What about the “special interest groups” that are exempt from Obama care (muslims and the senate/congress)?

      God help us, because the government sure as h*ll won’t! God bless America, it’s veterans and every patriotic person that holds the constitution and Bill of rights near and dear to our hearts. The rest of you can go live in another socialist country and see what is instore for you there. Or better yet, If your not here legally and don’t like how we run our country, go back to where YOU came from.

      • GALT

        Great story…..but it should have stopped with “I informed the military, no help”……

        So from what I could tell you were “discharged because of a muscle strain”……as
        in no longer fit for duty? That doesn’t make any sense………

        Were you not due to be discharged? Did you wish to remain in the military but were
        refused because of a “muscle strain”? Even your actual injury doesn’t appear to
        be sufficient cause for “discharge”…..especially if you did not want to leave.

        Also, the events seem rather sequential and rapid………so if they occurred within
        one year of your separation…….your exit physical would have contained medical
        proof of your “misdiagnosis”………you would have had “real proof” of
        your actual condition, and could have filed an immediate claim……for both disability
        and treatment……and even though both might have taken some time to resolve,
        you could have received S.S.I. disability within three months or sooner.

        Now as touching as your “anecdotal story is”, with all the “illegal immigrant” diatribe,
        for which you make assumptions………your problems were largely a matter of your
        lack of information as to the resources you had available to you…….and if you
        had or relied on any advice……..they were equally ignorant……..

        Now this is not to say that the V.A. isn’t capable of this sort of activity, or the
        military itself……..for them this is normal operating procedure……..but seriously,
        how could you actually believe you were being “discharged” because of a
        “muscle strain”?

        One trip to the D.A.V. would have provided you with your options…….which
        is why they exist………and most of this information is available to you, via
        the “benefits” you would have qualified for on discharge…… simply
        had to read them…….or find someone who could…….

        Your problem whatever the facts are…… with the MILITARY…….not the
        non english speaking woman ( who’s story you DON”T KNOW ) happened
        to be in front of you in a welfare line…….and amazingly you managed to
        stay behind her the whole time……..( which is not the way these things
        work…….but who knows maybe it was a real small office with one employee )

        Nice to know you have nailed the “problems” of america to such a simple
        cause……….thanks for sharing…….but you might want to look a little deeper
        and harder……..

    • millie

      To: Kinetic
      you forgot to mention, that obama policies put a stangle hold on jobs creation, and you who say you are a christian and yet you denfend obama who supports abortions and same sex marrige, and socialisim. The last time I check God does not support killings and homosexuality. you can’t have it both ways, honey!!!!

    • carrobin

      Some people lean over backwards to misinterpret anything Obama says, even when it’s perfectly clear in the context.

    • Texas Ride

      Kenetic1…bla, bla, bla! You drone on and on in support of a sunni muslim while he appoints other muslims to office in our government.

      You and your ilk refuse to see what is happening in front of your face and the more you spout off, the more obvious it is that you are not informed about much of anything!

      BTW, informed Americans know exactly what omaumau “means!” We have heard plenty, right down to his “revenge request” during the election. True revenge will now be heaped upon those that had the audacity to challenge. There was a reason Romeny was changed after the first debate and didn’t bring up Libya, or much else that omaumau has done to this country. Just another McCain all over again.

      The conservative base did NOT sit at home! Republicans were energized, the crowds were huge, the convention rocked! But, their votes disappeared from the electronice computerized voting machines, many of which just happen to be owned by America’s enemies. And, how many of these votes were counted in and by the socialist country of Spain! We lost this election the same way that Harry Reid keeps winning his…even though no one votes for him…

      The communists had nothing to offer, and they denied GOD three times…
      Oops, I am wrong about what the communists had to offer. They promised more gifts to the 47% ! I should have said that the communists have nothing to offer the makers, the people that pay all the bills for this country! Most importantly, that 47% should NOT have been allowed to vote! Anyone on Medicaid especially the cows that are popping out a dozen kids, should lose their voting rights until they become productive citizens and support their own families. Why is government paying the worthless to multiply…you can answer that for yourself.

      The only thing this election told conservatives is that the takers out-number the makers, and we learned that conservative votes disappear into thin air. But, when omaumau advertises in mexico enticing illegals to come get their food stamps and other goodies, what should we expect! And what should we expect of the voting machines that are easily programmed to cancel out votes for a certain candidate.

      Maybe it was best that repubs lost. Maybe they needed a really good “shove!” There will be plenty of other “shoves” in the next few months. Taking away firearms will be the next thing on the 2013 agenda. The idea of eliminating the Evil Empire is going to become very popular across America. The marxists know that and they are already working at lightening speed so the UN can come take the firearms….not that there is anything to worry about. Remember, we are all wimps, here.

    • Nothingtobedone

      So many of the responders to articles drag their comments on and on, endlessly. I have observed that those who write the most generally have the least to say. Let’s keep our comments brief and to the point.

      • Texas Ride

        Is that it, Nothing? Is that all you have got to say? You have no opinions so we can make rude remarks about them? You are no fun!

      • eddie47d

        Ronald Reagan supported a Sunni Muslim leader Saddam Hussein in the 80′s so what is your point?

    • alicia

      Thank you Kinetic1 for enlightening these folks, that keep thinking negative. Where is their positive, caring thinking?

    • hipshotpercusion

      “If you packaged it properly, promoted it and advertised it, you could sell the average American a bag of [expletive deleted].” On Tuesday November 6th this theory was proved.

      • Rick

        hipshotpercusion, Your comment is the smartest one I have read on here. Strait to the point and true as can be. These Obots are throwing it all away, and they really believe that they are doing a good thing. This country has turned her back on the All Mighty One, and barack hussein obama is the result. Our country is no longer being blessed.
        Yahuwah help us

      • Smilee

        hipp—- simplistic thinking from simple minds, no truth in it

    • Jefe

      An excellent, well thought-out and accurate response to a very misleading article Kinetic1

      • DaveH

        It might appear that way to those who have the immorality to hire Big Government to take other peoples’ legally-earned wealth.
        The ironic thing is that Socialism doesn’t even work, except for the Leaders who are buying the votes of fools. In the end, when they run out of other peoples’ money, those who thought they were getting away with something will be the ones who suffer most.
        Those poor readers who would like to know what’s really going on should read Chapter 7 “The Morality of Capitalism” in this book:

        Better yet, read the whole book, and learn how the Leaders are taking advantage of the poor people as well as the rich people.

    • donald de

      I agree!

    • cactusbob

      I doubt that Romney lost, it’s just Obama and his team manufactured enough phony votes to make it think like he did. The problem is, as Bill Clinton proved when he was President, you can do anything you can get away with. It will be a real travesty if the Republicans are too chicken to do what’s needed, and that is to impeach the lying anti-American socialist/Marxist who has been illegally occupying the White House for four years. The nation won’t be able to survive another term, now that he “has more flexibility.”

    • Drifter

      Kinetic 1: You have compiled lists of which states get money from the Feds. Question: Where do the Feds get the money?

    • J Man

      If Romney is wrong about the 47%, then so are the (Big Govt) IRS figures.

      Walt Whitman was right,
      “A Government that robs Peter to pay Paul, will always be supported by Paul”.

      • Ad Man

        You have to remember one very important thing. The left’s mindset is impervious to change, it is impossible for them to think any differently than the already do and the reason for this is because they have a switch permanently turned off in their brain or
        it was never installed during manufacturing. Must be a genetic malfunction.

        • Deerinwater

          Quote; “. The left’s mindset is impervious to change, it is impossible for them to think any differently ”

          Response; Maybe you live in some-kind of alternate universe and everything is backward? ~ clearly your understanding of these two words are backward. Until you realize how “lacking in understand of words you are” you will never go very far or be very successful.

          Conservatism (Latin: conservare, “to retain”) is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions. A person who follows the philosophies of conservatism is referred to as a traditionalist or conservative.
          Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others, called reactionaries, oppose modernism and seek a return to “the way things were”

          lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
          a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
          b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
          c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
          d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

          • Ad Man

            “lacking in understand of words you are”? This is your quote.
            Go back to school!

          • J Man

            JFK could not be in the Dem Party today if you looked at his fiscal/taxation policies.
            ie: “a rising tide lifts all boats” speech given to US Chamber of Commerce, 1962

      • Deerinwater

        ” JFK could not be in the Dem Party today if you looked at his fiscal/taxation policies.”

        yea? well ~ many things have changed haven;t they?

  • Harold Olsen

    The only reason why Obama won was because the morons in the Republican party keep fielding candidates that no one really likes. The party sheep will support anyone their masters in the party tell them to. Independent conservatives, like myself, will only support candidates whom we believe in. The choice we had this time was Obama and Obamaclone. Republicans who ended up voting for Obama probably figured, “Why vote for Obama’s clone when we can vote for the original.” I didn’t vote for either of those idiots. Until the GOP gets their heads out of their anal passages, the Democrats can run a pet rock as their candidate and still win. I’ve had it with both parties. The Democrats are nothing but a bunch of liberals and, at best, the Republicans are a bunch of left leaning moderates. I’m flipping the bird at both of them.

    • dmounts

      3 million Republicans stayed home or voted for a third party as a protest vote. Had they voted, Romney would have won the popular vote. There is no question the party must change. We must return to the constitution and the founding principles -and not the principles taught by progressives(Dem, Rep and all parties). I talking about the principles and history based on the ACTUAL words of the founders – as progressives have a way of distorting the truth and the facts.

      • Flashy

        “3 million Republicans stayed home or voted for a third party as a protest vote.” <snort.

        Yeah….over 50% of voters rejected the extremist GOP message…so we'll make up a number and claim they stayed home and "we" would have won… ignore reality, make up a fiction, and ignore the majority..all the while claiming we're "patriots"…


      • S. Darby

        First off, most people who are not registered D or R really research their candidates before voting. I am a Libertarian so my vote was thought out and came from my heart, not because the person was republican or democrat. I don’t vote lesser of Evils. I would not vote for either Romney or Obama. I was disgusted by the Ads from both parties, I want to hear issues not slams. I think both parties need a lesson on the constitution because I personally think they have both missed the boat.

      • Maryland Freestater

        I for one am one of the REAL 1%ers, a Libertarian, and I did NOT vote a ‘protest vote’, but instead voted straight Party line.

        My God, some of you left-leaning posters here today are a bunch of @s$$h0l3$!!! If you don’t like what Chip has to say, and you think you can do BETTER, then go write your own column. Anybody who supports the US Democratic Party (aka, the new Communist Party), and to a much lesser extent the GOP, is a frucking IDIOT! If you can’t see what our ‘leadership’ is up to, get a new pair of glasses. Or eyes.

        In fact, I just wish some of you would stop commenting your crap here – if you love entitlementalism and amorality so much, the HuffPo and other 5th columns would much rather have you as members. The American people are a DISGRACE for what er have devolved into, and I sure as hell do NOT want to hear your opinions.

        I am spending too much time on Youtube watching conspiracy videos, and am fascinated by those involving the imminent approach of a brown dwarf star system or a killer comet. Sadly, I wish something WOULD come hit the earth, if not just to clean our house of vermin of all sorts. As much as I want a decent, liveable future for my descendants, I’d rather we all perish than exist in the concentration camp world that your beloved leadership is going to bring about.

        Keep up the good work, Chip, until YOUR light gets extinguished by the Dark Side.

        -Maryland Free Stater, VERY pissed off now.

    • Ned Roberts

      Many liberals would describe Obama as a “moderate Republican.” He’s certainly to the right of Richard Nixon.

      The Republicans have moved so far to the right that Ronald Reagan could not have received the 2012 Republican nomination for President. For example, Reagan raised taxes and compromised with Democrats – two things anathema to the current Republican Party.

      • Rhonda Reichel

        Obama is Bush’s 3rd and 4th term

      • Flashy

        Ned…I have stated many times, on this board and in real life…Obama is a conservative Moderate. When running in ’07 and ’08, if you listened to what he saying…it was a conservative Moderate speaking. His policies…conservative Moderate. His plans..conservative Moderate.

        As I also have stated many times…Reagan would not have gotten through the first series of GOP primaries…quickly being labelled as too liberal…

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          You write: “Obama is a conservative Moderate.” You are attempting to turn the English language on its ear. Such foolishness will not survive here.

          You write: “Reagan would not have gotten through the first series of GOP primaries…quickly being labelled as too liberal.” Nonsense.

          Best wishes,

      • eddie47d

        Obama is way to moderate for some. If he doesn’t get us out of the Middle East he may become a Republican right winger.

      • box-bb-car

        @Flashy – I have stopped listening to what Obama (and most Democrats) says, as his words seldom match what he does. No amount of rhetoric, however responsible sounding, by any politician can overcome acts which contradict the words.
        Bipartisan and compromise mean nothing if your definition is give me what I want and you’ll get nothing of your wants.

        Reagan, and Tip Oneil, (who I agreed with on almost nothing) did compromise. Unfortuneately for Reagan and the country, he did not follow his own advice of ‘trust but verify’ and had the dems reneg on their part of the deal

    • Rhonda Reichel

      Correct….that’s your solution Chip

      Run a REAL conservative next time and they won’t need billions of dollars to campaign…conservatives will vote for them. Ron Paul was perfect. Too bad the voters let the media and RNC convince them otherwise. He had a very broad appeal and democrats even wanted him.

      Who wouldn’t want a constitutional fiscal conservative, non-interventionist foreign policy, small government, lower taxes? Sorry but the republicans deserved to lose

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Ton Paul is a Libertarian, which is quite different than a conservative on the issue of borders. Or don’t you know that open borders is a part of their platform? His penchant for disengagement from the rest of the world is not realistic. We must insure that the oceans and skys are clear and free for trade. i don’t think isolationism has ever worked in that regard.

      • Rhonda Reichel

        There you are wrong…Ron Paul was not for open borders…never was
        He was for a well run guest worker program where we actually knew who was here…that’s the only logical way to handle the situation….and no welfare for them either
        That old analogy if you want the birds to stop coming, take away the bird feeder would work.
        Decriminalizing drugs would be a big help too. Starve the drug cartels and they would leave too.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        It has been in the Libertarian platform for over 30 years. Like it or not. He ran on the Libertarian ticket in 1988. It was in the platform then. Ask any true libertarian and they will espouse open borders. Unfettered movement of people throughout the world. Are you saying Ron is not a true Libertarian? Why do we need guest workers? We can put the unemployed blacks and white trash collecting welfare to work. People invading this country illegally must be mad to leave. Pure and simple they broke the law. If you don’t like the law then change it. McCain and Bush tried it and found out loud and clear exactly how the American people feel about it. I say no green cards until we are at 4.5% unemployment. The open borders, by the way, is the main reason I left the Libertarian Party. The other main reason is the isolationist ideas they have as well. You have to be realistic about our role in the world. They and Ron are not.

      • shameless

        Romney was too timid on immigration and open borders. In fact, Romney was about to compromise with the progressives and introduce the McCain amnesty program. 30 million votes that went to Obama and will perpetually go to him and the numbers grow every year because progressives keep feeding their leeches and they never go back home and instead they breed like the rats they are!

      • eddie47d

        You are Shameless in your comment and another proven reason why the far right is wacko and lost the election. The attacks on Latinos is unprecedented!

      • JeffH

        eddie just spews the programmed propaganda that’s been ingrained in his persona and says “The attacks on Latinos is unprecedented!”.


        You can’t give examples can you. What attacks? You mean Arizona’s SB 70? The show of distain for illegal immigrants, make that criminal illegal immigrants? Immigration laws define them as criminals.

      • Vicki

        Capitalist at Birth says:
        “Ton (actually Ron) Paul is a Libertarian, which is quite different than a conservative on the issue of borders. Or don’t you know that open borders is a part of their platform? His penchant for disengagement from the rest of the world is not realistic. We must insure that the oceans and skys are clear and free for trade. i don’t think isolationism has ever worked in that regard.”

        Your explanation seems rather confused. Are (Capitalist at birth type) conservatives for open borders or not? Are they for isolationism or not? Are they for free trade or not?

        You talk as though the Libertarian party is both for and against those things which is demonstrably false but fail to clarify which you are for or against or are you for both?

        For everyone else here is the platform of the Libertarian Party.

        You will notice that isolationism is not anywhere in the platform.

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear Vicki,

          Capitalist at Birth is an ardent Republican shill. Several have pointed out his error on Ron Paul and the LP platform and open borders. He has ignored it. There is no hope for him.

          Best wishes,

      • eddie47d

        Do I have to remind you Jeff it was Conservative businessmen who brought those illegals to the USA to work the fields ,build our houses ,clean our office buildings and so forth. Don’t be so naive about that issue and besides most Latinos in America are legal citizens and they resent the attacks too. Maybe you are a Roosevelt Democrat who rounded up all the Japanese citizens because of unwarranted fear. Some of you are still plying those tactics and don’t care who gets nailed.

      • JeffH

        eddie, will you never learn? There is not one fact in your response, not one! You cannot provide one shred of substantiated evidence that will back up your conjecture.
        Buzz words and progressive talking points, your only strengths, do not equal fact or truth for that matter.

        Do you even have a clue about what differenciates an illegal immigrant from a legal immigrant. NO, you don’t! Your mental makeup is prediated on excuses and the ideology of “two wrongs equal a right”. Your “reasoning” is fallacious.

        You heard it, you believe it and you repeat it…that doesn’t make it true just because you said so.

        I realize I’m only talking to myself here because rocks and brick walls can’t hear, but…repeat after me:
        POLLY WANT ANOTHER CRACKER? baaarrraaaccckkkk!

      • Texas Ride

        eddie, how do you know that it was “conservative businessmen” that rounded up mexicans to work??? Did you take a poll? And, in your poll you discovered every employer was a conservative? I just love the statments that the liberal shills make.

        BTW, illegals are criminals because they are breaking the law! I know you probably forgot that it is against the law to sneak across our borders, instead of doing it the “legal way.” Criminals are supposed to be deported or put in jail.

      • Vicki

        Bob Livingston says:
        “Dear Vicki,

        Capitalist at Birth is an ardent Republican shill.”

        Thank you Bob. I actually did know that about him. But a lot of the new faces here may not so I wanted to point out the (deliberate) error of his statements :)

      • eddie47d

        Why did you waist your breath Jeff H. I didn’t lie about anything but of coarse you say so so it must be true. That makes you the liar and a malicious back stabber. Who do you think owns Purdue Chicken in Arkansas. A CONSERVATIVE and it was proven he hired illegals. The same with Tyson and we have dozens of companies in Colorado that hired illegals. I read the news Jeff dear BOY and I don’t throw false information out. We have also had raids on meat packing plants in Colorado and quite a few are deported. Texas Ride besides READING UP ON THESE COMPANIES ISN’T IT CONSERVATIVES WHO SAY THAT BUSSINESS FOLKS ARE CONSERVATIVE or is that only convienient for you at election time.

      • JeffH

        eddie, you really are more ignorant than I ever imagined. You are a liar and a slanderer.

        Unlike you, I do my homework and unlike you I don’t have to lie or decieve anyone to find the facts.

        A federal jury acquitted Tyson Foods and three managers Wednesday of hiring illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America as part of a nationwide conspiracy to boost production and profits.

        The jury of seven men and five women deliberated for less than a day before acquitting on all charges.

        “The verdict confirms that Tyson Foods made a concerted effort to hire properly and abide by the law,” company spokesman Gary Michelson said in a statement handed out immediately after the verdict was announced. Guess you didn’t hear that part huh?

        In July 2010 a federal judge dismissed the case against Perdue Farm.

        Perdue spokesman Luis Luna says the lawsuit lacks merit. He says Perdue follows hiring laws and verifies through the Department of Homeland Security that employees are eligible to work in the United States.

        What’s really funny about your delusional accusations is that I couldn’t find anything that identified either company as being conservative owned…now imagine that.

      • eddie47d

        They hired illegals in the past big delusional boy! Any company can cook the books and hide that fact and most do. The jury missed the real evidence from the past. Besides why would local juries find them guilty and then the plant would have been shut done. That is economics for them and the area.

      • JeffH

        Hey dummy, your usual response of “because I know different” is the whole of your illogic.

        Nothing in the world is more dangerous than(your)sincere ignorance and (your)conscientious stupidity.
        Martin Luther King, Jr.

  • RevNowWhileWeCan

    Chip Wood says, “Why we lost and what it will take to win”

    How is it possible you could write an informative article about why the Republicans lost and not mention the fact that the party blatantly ignored an entire bloc of voters. Ron Paul ring a bell? Lying, fixed polls put us Paultards at 11-13%. I think 18-20% on the low side would be a better estimate. Don’t you think that might’ve helped a little Tuesday? Personally, I don’t but there are quite a few Republicans that do. IDK why because the percentage of Paulbots that would’ve vote for Romney is about .0000001%. I suspect the Republican brass knew that though. By ignoring Paul, just as you did in this article is exactly the reason why the Republicans lost and why they are dead in the water in future elections. That includes establishment placed Rand in 2016 too.
    Here’s how I see it. The establishment looked for the biggest ego with the smallest chance to win so that Obama could be re-elected and Romney fit that bill to a tee. Once you realize that there is NO DIFFERENCE in the duopoly, then it’s easy to see why they did what they did to Paul because even an 8th grader running a campaign would never do what they did to him if they were sincere about ousting Obama. The pundits were and are going nuts about a supposedly “to close to call” race while I was laughing all the way to the bank. I’ve been saying it since Tampa and I cashed in on Obama because I laid 1100 to win 500 plus a slew of Republican side bets. Thanks shills. I didn’t even lower my standards and vote for Obama. I voted against him just out of principle.

    There is a movement going on right now and the Republicans are on the way out. Even the bought and paid for Tea Party which was installed by the establishment to appease a few of the truly conservative brass is a joke in the movement and people are starting to see the light. If you really want to defeat the Democrats again I suggest you get on board with a third party because after this year you can’t really believe the Republicans are sincere about winning.

    It’s not about Republicans vs. Democrats anymore. It’s about Truth vs. the Establishment and the only way to do that is a valid, truthful third party. It’s not that far fetched really. It happened about 150 years ago when a new party called the Republicans ousted the Whigs with Lincoln. I suggest you honest, non-shill, true conservatives get on board with a third party to beat the Democrats in 2016. If not, be prepared to once again say hello to a President Clinton. If that doesn’t motivate you, nothing will. Rand has been compromised and is not a true answer to combat the establishment. Mark my words.

    • Corkey

      The GOP deserved to lose. They treated the Ron Paul supporters like crap at the convention and marginalized him during the debates. If you want to cast blame here, cast it at the totally retarded mainstream GOP for: 1) nominating lousy candidates the past two presidential elections 2) alienating their base 3) treating a good candidate with actual plans and ideas like [expletive deleted]

      So, go cry somewhere else and point the finger where it belongs.

      • Rhonda Reichel

        The media BLACKOUT didn’t help either….I curse them
        I wish I had a nickel for everytime I heard RON PAUL CAN’T WIN
        Now they are trying to justify themselves by mewling excusesbut they know their part in this
        We all need to turn off the TVs and get our news from the internet…it’s a lot more reliable than TV news.

      • box-bb-car

        FYI (for your irritation), the Paul zealots reminded many of us of Apple zealots. They did more to drive support away from Paul than to him. And they are akin to those who would rather stay home and allow a greater evil to be elected than buy time with a lesser one.

        Not that the Paul bearers do not have some legitimate gripes as to how they were treated by the party. Some of us did not trust Romney any further than we could throw him because of things that happened to the candidates we supported in the primaries having been torpedoed by less than scrupulous measures which appeared to have ties to the Romney camp

      • Vicki

        box-bb-car says:
        “And they are akin to those who would rather stay home and allow a greater evil to be elected than buy time with a lesser one”

        Buying time with a lesser evil gets us what? Oh right. More time with evil. How quaint.

      • RevNowWhileWeCan

        Corkey says, “So, go cry somewhere else and point the finger where it belongs.”
        I’m not sure what your level of reading comprehension is. Probably about level Corkey. If you read up until the second sentence in my response, it clearly says where I put the blame. As far as crying goes, again, you’ll be hard pressed to find any of us Paulbots running out of tissues. We warned the Republicans at the convention and some of us told them this would happen. This is when I came to the realization that the two party system was fixed and knew they would throw it for O because they were for the soul purpose of blocking anyone that had a chance against the Democrats and that was Ron Paul. I was in Tampa and it’s no secret that there were more security personnel there than Romney supporters. The whole thing was a sham. Breitbart told the Republicans. Pick a candidate even in the polls with an identical platform or one with a slight lead who would’ve embarrassed the POTUS in the debates. The corruption was obvious to me.

      • Texas Ride

        Vicki, Ron Paul supporters were Ron Paul’s worst enemies! People didn’t like what they said or how they acted…Just the fact that RP’s supporters could be vindictive and do their country harm is enough to know about them. Most acted selfish and arrogant. You see it everyday on these blogs… I know there were some good people that were supporters, but the majority…..

      • Vicki

        ” Most acted selfish and arrogant. You see it everyday on these blogs…”

        The selfish and arrogant ones were obvious to anyone who watched the Republican National Convention. And they would be furious that you called them Ron Paul Supporters.

        As for Ron Paul Supporters, We don’t want to force you or anyone else to pay for our pet causes. That you call us selfish because we choose to vote for people that would not take YOUR money at gunpoint to give to THEIR pet charities, speak volumes about you.

    • Dean bartlett

      True but alas the progressives have to much invested in controling the existing parties to ever let a true third party exist.

      • Dutchman

        Well said. The Constitution Party is far and away the best third party out there but you can bet your soul that if it were to ever really start to grow that the Repubs and Demos would either try to co-opt it or persecute it out of existence. The 2-party power structure has too much invested in the current rigged system to voluntarily change it.

      • Vicki

        Dean bartlett says:
        “…the progressives have to much invested in controling the existing parties to ever let a true third party exist.”

        True and they control much of the media. That is why we have to create a grass roots effort to support a party like the Libertarian Party. And we need to use social media and viral campaigns to reach the people. Skip entirely by MSM. They are obsolete anyway and don’t even know. (yet)

    • Rhonda Reichel

      So true…I agree with what you said but would like to add the GOP is doomed unless voters reform it.
      Republicans had better lay the law down to the GOP establishment NOW

      It’s a clear choice – either you return to original republican CONSERVATIVE principles or you become democrat-lite.

      Well, DIDN’T the GOP establishment began pushing that “moderate” crap when Michael Steele was RNC chairman and I thought it would never fly and they would abandon it— but each year it just gets worse and worse. I was thinking what the HELL are they doing that for??? Illogical to think you can beat the other party by becoming the other party. The darned idiots on TV are still touting that even though it’s failed 2 elections in a row. This is a fight for that party so if you want to see it restored you’d better put your foot down. Personally I think it’s doomed because republican voters have become whipped dogs and accept what they are given—scraps. Complying gets you nowhere.

      It doesn’t make any sense to become more liberal to attract liberals when your core voters are conservatives….then they leave us with a choice of something too similar and no opposition…it’s like they are trying to cut the conservatives out completely and they have done it INCREMENTALLY if you stop and look back. That party needs to “dance with the one that brung them !”

      This really became apparent with Dubya. He grew the govt., started 2 wars unnecessarily (world police), shipped jobs overseas, SPP and trade deals NOT to our advantage, passed police state liberty-killing laws, …. and that AMNESTY b.s. really took me off guard….that is NOT a conservative position. McCain the same damned thing. Again Romney. Sorry but they deserve to lose. They are turning conservative patriots into a bunch of panty waists whining liberals….an inch at a time. How else could people like McCain, Lindsey Graham, Boehner, Lieberman, etc. get elected over and over again?

      Republican voters better develop a little discretion. As Doug Wead put it they would vote for a HAM SANDWICH if the GOP told them to. Chuck Baldwin stated they’d vote for a BABOON. Seems true when you consider McCain (baboon) and Romney (ham sandwich).

      This party is DOOMED if they don’t go back to their conservative roots because as it is it sucks now.
      Who in their right mind could be against that except those who want the nanny state?

      People now have gotten so used to the big intrusive government that they just accept all this meddling it does in our lives, and expects it to govern stuff like gay marriage, drugs (actually they are all making money off that), abortion, etc when that should be left up to the states not the federal government. Local governance is best because we have more control to say what we want or do not want.

      Our governor has no balls to nullify these federal intrusions…I’m even shocked he didn’t allow the U.N. in to poll watch because he’s a big globalist himself. We need to get rid of him too before he sells Texas off to China.

      • Vicki

        Rhonda Reichel says:
        “It’s a clear choice – either you (The GOP) return to original republican CONSERVATIVE principles or you become democrat-lite.”

        Too late.

      • Smilee

        I love all this republican cannibalism running rampart on this site after the election and if they do not soon cure that 16 & 20 could be even worse for them.

        • pissed off and liberal

          It,s already too late for republicans you see it is ther partys DESTINEY to become a fringe party this will happen because as the democrats move away from true liberal values and more towards the center millions ofvoters conditioned to think that a third-party vote is a waste will see the democrats as the only option to prevent the incresingly extreme republicans from assuming power now this shift will draw the democratic party towards the center and eventually the center-right which inturn will disenfranchise millions of true liberals who will leave the democrats and run into the waiting arms of groups like the reen party,the justice party,the party for socialism and liberation etc. who will then take to the streets in protests that will be meet by our incresingly millataristic police force which will make the opposition bigger which will bring out the national guard which will increse the size of the opposition which will force the now decively right-wing goverment to employ the army and declare martal law which will incite more opposition bythen the goverments brutallity will have given our rivals a chance to pounce and convince our allies to abanden us that combind with hundreds of thousands of liberal desertions from the army and guard will finally spell the end for this corrupt fascist system and a glorious liberal future shall begin. now be honest how do you like my prohacy?

  • jopa

    Chip said Why we lost.I didn’t know he was a Republican.Isn’t this more of a Libertarian site or just a Conservative site in disguise.You folks didn’t lose just because of Romney, it’s mainly where you all stand on various issues, the lies that Rove said it was okay to say publicly, the attacks on women and minorities, the money being spent by foreign countries on the Romney campaign, his smug attitude as though it was his turn and the leaders of the Republican party such as Limbaugh, and Norquist didn’y help much either.Now we are seeing more of the same so it’s time to clean” House “next.

    • dmounts

      Please get a grip on reality. The use of nebulous phrases like war on women? How about something specific? Bush passed the unconstitutional Patriot Act; Obama promised to restore the civil liberties it took away. Did he? No he exacerbated the issue instead of ameliorating it.

      • JeffH

        Don’t expect anything of substance from jopa. Just here to get someones goat and nothing more.

      • eddie47d

        Yes dmounts Sections 21 and 22 should be repealed from the NDAA Law and I do encourage that. Obama doesn’t get a free pass on that issue. Unfortunately the Republicans made fools of themselves on woman’s issues such as with Mourdock and Aikns. They also slandered Hispanics as free loaders and even the majority legal ones didn’t appreciate those attacks.

  • Hoser

    We (repubs) lost because the party wanted Ron Paul. Not Mittens. As far as I’m concerned, the Republicans got exactly what they deserved. However, the NWO won because they owned both candidates. Obummer didn’t attack RP because he knew he would draw votes away from Mittens. I actually voted for Gary Johnson because he was the best choice for President. At least he offered up a plan to fix the country. Republican party is dead. Nuff said. / Iowan republican

  • Dave67

    Your side lost because of lies and your extremist agenda. You lost because you thought its a good idea to allow white men control the health of women. You lost because you used Hispanics as a scapegoat for the economy. You lost because you thought anyone who disagrees with you as wanting a hand out and lazy. You lost because your side tried to suppress the vote. You lost because of your support for Citizens United. You lost because of your religious zealotry. You lost because you refuse to live in reality and except facts, math and the change going on in Ameriica. You lost due to your refusal to compromise.

    You want to be relevant again? You come off extremist mountain, become inclusive, not exclusive and you do this thing called compromise with those you disagree with.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So why are you not compromising with the group that has to pay the bills for your big government wants? All we have been hearing from you and your kind of mindset that I want this and I want that but where do you think the money is coming from. You are not even grateful that your feeding trough and the goodies in it are provided by taxpayers.

      • UWorlds1

        You haven’t learned yet. Demonizing the voters is why you lost.

    • Paul Wells

      In other words, Dave67, Republicans won’t be successful until they:
      1. Jettison their core values
      2. Reject God as irrelevant
      3. Join the party of free gimme
      4. Let women commit murder to the unborn freely and without consequence.
      5. Allow anyone to vote even if they are illegal, multiple voters, without having to prove who they are.
      6. Because we don’t support “Compromise” as we bend and your side gives up nothing.

      And so on. In other words, we won’t be successful until we become like Democrats, corrupt and vacuous. No thanks, I’ll keep my principles.

      • dmounts


      • Deborah57

        Extremely well put! If roughly 51% of this country have the values that you mention, we are in deep trouble. My values were written on stone tablets many years ago, and I plan on living by those until the day I die.

      • Dutchman

        Well said. I’ll do the same and Dave67 you can keep yours as well. Just grow some cojones and pay for them yourself instead of expecting the American taxpayers to do it for you.

      • UWorlds1

        You sound just like Rush…he is making so much money from you guys.

      • D. Fields

        None of the above.
        1. Jettison their core values — Not at all. Rather, return to them and get away from extremism. A policy of “Just Say No” says you’re working only for yourself with no interest in working as a team.
        2. Reject God as irrelevant — Not at all. America was founded on FREEDOM of Religion and escape from government-controlled religion. Now the evangelists are trying to create a new government-controlled religion exclusive of anything that doesn’t agree with their views.
        3. Join the party of free gimme — Not at all. Yes, I will admit there are the “takers”, but not everyone who isn’t a Republican is a “taker.” You want to resolve that “taker” issue? Enforce the laws that control who gets what and how. The worst “takers” have learned how to game the system to get what they want–unfortunately some of those “takers” are among the richest people in the country.
        4. Let women commit murder to the unborn freely and without consequence. — Not at all. But let me ask you this: Why would you kill the mother AND the child in the name of saving the child alone? Secondly, who takes care of that child once it’s born if the mother is somehow unable to? If the Right to Life is so important, why do you abandon that child once it’s born? The issue is far more complex than simple anti-abortion.
        5. Allow anyone to vote even if they are illegal, multiple voters, without having to prove who they are. — Not at all. But at least in this election it was pretty visible that the worst offenders were not the ones trying to vote Democrat but rather the ones trying to prevent legal Democrats from voting.
        6. Because we don’t support “Compromise” as we bend and your side gives up nothing. — Not at all, because it’s not the Democrats who said, “Just Say No” for four years.

      • Dave67

        Lets take your talkining points one by one:

        Values and beliefs. They are all great and fine. I am a proud liberal and I have values anf beliefs as well. The difference between a liberal and a conservative is that we question and challenge those values from time to time making sure they are worth keeping.

        God, nobody on the left is telling you which version of god to believe in or to believe at all. We just want gov out of the religion business. Obama hasn’t sent thousands to their deaths in unnecessary wars to start.

        “The party of free gimmie?” Another BS right wing talking point. We don’t want a handout or the gov taking over our lives. We want a level playing field in education and opportunity and also equal political access so the poor amd middle class have a seat at the table. Not your way when big monied interests have all the power to change laws that put more money in their pockets… A “gimmie”

        Abortion: more right wing drivel. Nobody WANTS abortion. We just choose to end abortion by dealing with the socio-economic conditions that cause women to seek them in the first place. That requires work and we know conservative hate work. You can do your part to end abortion by getting a vascectomy.

        Voter fraud, the non problem in need of a solution.

        Democrats and liberals have compromised plenty to get things done, your side prides itself on obstruction. Thats why things have been slow to improve in this country. I mind it funny that your don’t see the high levels of corruption on the conservative/GOP side. That comes from the right wing infomation bubble you live in.

        You have nobody to blame for the spanking the GOP took on Tuesday but yourself. Deal with it.

      • Maryland Freestater

        Well said!

      • Maryland Freestater

        OOPS – my last posting here should have said, Well said, MR. WELLS!!!”

      • eddie47d

        How could that be well said if few if any illegals vote and the case of multiple votes is even rarer. (practically never)You are defending someone who doesn’t speak the truth.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “How could that be well said if few if any illegals vote and the case of multiple votes is even rarer. (practically never)You are defending someone who doesn’t speak the truth.”

        I don’t think you have a clue about what that word means Eddie.

        And that is just one link from one state.

      • eddie47d

        The thing is Vickie is that Gessler lied and found less than 80 fraudulent voters out of 4,800 that he originally said. Most were voters who moved from one area to the another. But nice try! Besides Gessler is under indictment for misuse of government funds. Now do you now want to say Republicans don’t do those kinds of things. He’s the first one to do it in Colorado.

    • Mary Beardslee

      Dave you hit the nail. When Romney chose Rowe,Trump, then to top it off Cheney to help him many of my repub pals said “I will not vote for him. Also, Ryan and his views on women changed the course for many of us. Why I left the party is all the repubs have done for the last 4 years is obstruction . Time to wake up repubs we are Not going back to the 50′s or 60′s.

    • Sheryn

      Very well said Dave67, you saved me alot of typing !!!!

      • eddie47d

        Welcome D Fields for his voice of common sense is also needed as is Dave 67′s.

    • Dutchman

      Sorry. What was lost last night was any remnants of what used to be the American Republic and it was lost because enough people want a free ride and because they want to do as they please without having to face the consequences of their actions. The Demos promised all of that to them so that’s why Obama won.

    • box-bb-car

      And, praytell Dave67, who is going to determine the healthcare of all of America? if it is wrong to make healthcare decisions for a woman, what makes it OK to make them for the rest of us?
      Not sure about the party, but I do not blame Hispanics for anything with the economy being in a slump. Illegals, regardless of origin, aggrevate the problem of unemployment, in good times or bad. And there are those in the GOP who are just as happy to see an illegal problem as Democrats, as they see it as cheap lablor and the Dems as potential votes. Ideally, a legitimate guest worker program, tied with a streamlined immigration policy would eliminate this issue once and for all, but each party is vested in the problem remaining, so the rule of law suffers.
      I hear a lot of how the liberals do not want government in our lives, but they are the first to produce legislation to ban activiies they do not like. Where is it the Governments role to tell me what to eat, what I can or cannot have in my house, when I can use items in my house when none of those things affect other than myself? If I get sick, then fine, let me suffer the consequences of my decision, do not subsidize it by forcing others around me to pay for my foolish choice. If I choose to do things that improve my standing that do no harm to others, then fine, let me alone to enjoy the benefits of my choices, not attempt to penalize me becuse I had the wisdom to plan

  • Kenneth

    Bob Livingston, You and the Republicans lost because you do not appreciate contemporary America. An America diversely rich of varied cultures, races, attitudes and beliefs. You lost because you care only for the wealthy as Romney clearly stated in his private meeting with his wealthy supporters. You are a member of a party of the ‘white’ which was clearly evident during your candidate’s conceding speech. Your party does not reflect the make-up of America. Additionally, you all lost the election from January1st 2009 when the GOP leaders and Fox voiced their intention to challenge/oppose/beat-down the President on ALL points. You wasted 4 years opposing Obama instead of demonstrating to the American people an interest in their well-being instead of your desire to win an election should your attitude to Obama results in Obama’s failure. Furthermore, you ignored minorities, gays, the poor, women, and the under-priveleged. Here are some of the main reasons you and the Republicans lost, as penned by a facebook friend of mine:

    (A) Do not injure america in order to win an election. We needed you to join in on ARRA and you went AWOL. We needed you to pass at least some of Obama’s jobs bill or come up with real solutions of your own and instead you chose inaction.

    (B) Find a better candidate. One that can be charismatic. One that can touch the heart and the head.

    (C) Become a big tent party again. Move away from the far right and towards the center.

    (D) Choose to make government better not eliminate it. We have more than enough money in this country to have a big government. One that is both more efficient and responsive to the needs of its citizens.

    (E) Deny bigotry and promote tolerance and acceptance. Gay people just want to get married. Let them do that. Immigrants of all sorts add value to this nation. They work hard for little money. Their children are part of our future. Give them a chance to become citizens.

    (F) Support the middle class and working class. Be in their corner. The rich don’t really need your help. They are doing fine. Turn your attention back towards those who need your help the most.

    (G) Protect the environment. It isn’t an either or choice. We can protect the environment and aid business.

    (H) Choose an all of the above approach to energy. Renewable energy is just as important as non renewable energy. Stop making it second fiddle or an afterthought. And start promoting new technology cars made in america that reduce fuel consumption. That is good for our country’s future.

    (I) Stop obssessing over abortion. Keep it legal and make sure that people have access to it. Put your energies behind birth control, which lowers the amount of abortions, and child welfare. There are millions of children already here that need our assistance. 1 in 5 children live in food insecure situations. Let’s make sure every single one of them has something to eat every single day.

    • Tim Williamson

      Very good! To that I would re-iterate over and over…..find a way to be inclusive. The GOP will not be a national party as long as it is PERCEIVED as the party of the angry, old, white guy – you must be much more than just the people the entire nation saw in Romney’s crowd on election night – 98% white. Be inclusive, or you will fail.

    • Linda

      I used to have a successful family farm business raising quail. I never had a computer and no internet. I succeed by hard work, seven day weeks from dust to dawn and sometimes late at night working. No government helped me. We cropped farmed and many years had nothing for Christmas.
      Our quail business was a success. It was all hard work. We were never rich. Never spent money on anything but putting money back in the business. Paid our bills.
      I am wondering how many votes went to the independent or write ins that might have give the election to Romney. There are many who chose to to vote for Romney that helped reelect Obama.

      • Rhonda Reichel

        You don’t have to wonder Linda….MILLIONS of votes that if you had nominated Ron Paul you would have a republican president right now –because he would have gotten those votes.
        Last I read Gary Johnson got 920,000 votes alone, Paul write ins and other 3rd party plus the voters that stayed home would have been a landslide for republicans

        Chose more wisely if you want to win next election. Don’t listen to FOX news or the RNC because they will give you another loser.

      • eddie47d

        Thank you Linda for working hard and being a strong American. Don’t give up but also don’t allow your fellow Republicans to ignore the other hard workers in America .Immigrants work extremely hard, Gays work hard at their jobs. Union members work hard, Women put in long hours as Linda attests to. Blacks and Latinos are some the hardest working citizens I’ve run across yet you wouldn’t know it listening to some of the comments over the years. Time to embrace everyone warts and all and let businesses decide who is a hard worker and who is the slacker. Can we agree on that?

      • Steve

        Right on Linda,

        The third party effort always ends this way, so once again ignorance and macho looses big time.
        And the rest of us suffer. Time to lock and load brothers you brought it on.

        We saw it for weeks on end. And to the self righteous uninformed group of bigot idiots who just couldn’t bring themselves to vote for the Mormon. That folks was real dumb. Now you got the real “Anti-Christ” again for 4 more years, congratulations.

        So now Mr. Ron Paul, I did like your message and right or wrong on your “principal” You did a good job in the primary, you got your message out. You rallied many and made your presence known in every caucus in the country. You got the talking points in front of the party, But talk about being radical, with a vote of 50/50 in the last election unfortunately there was no way for you to win ever. If the Republican base could not get behind you what makes you think the 47% out there that are dependant on the government would have ever voted for you. They only understand give away. And if you had won you would have had more grid lock that this administration. That’s not just because of the established Republican Party you now belong to. It is just flipping common sense!

        It is true the media did not take you as being credible, they never do, so what is new? So I blame the party split and this loss on you and because of your stubbornness and the fact you did not even have enough class to endorse the party choice in this election for the best interest of the nation. As a result the end of the America as we knew it can be laid directly on your shoulders. At least your son appears to have had some common sense to see the real politics of the situation.

        So ok now is the time start your own independent party, but don’t do it in the Republican Party structure, take your people and do it from the ground up.

        Now to you Big “0” fans (by the way that is a zero folks). Congratulations, you deserve what you got and more of what you will get but the other half of this country does not.

        Hopefully and maybe the cool aid will wear off in another week or two, I am sure you will continue to blame Bush for every thing including the biggest tax hike ever which by the way was passed when you had total control and you will see what you really did. 2 plus 2 equals 4, you brain dead Idiots!

        Oh, And maybe smoking a “refer” is more important than our country starving from massive unemployment. So, way to go Gary Johnson fans. Grow up!

        Have a great 4 years, I am out of here. I have wasted enough time here. Sorry Bob, Never ever again.

    • Eddie G.

      Baloney! I don’t like going to work every day knowing my taxes are being used to pay for some ho’s unwanted baby. She can keep her legs closed and stop having more brats so she can get a bigger welfare check plus more foodstamps. You want to kill your innocent child before it’s born,go ahead on your own dime,not mine.

      • D. Fields

        And who said you were paying for that abortion? The RNC, not anybody else. There have been laws in place for a long time that have said that the individual must pay. On the other hand, because of such narrow views, many women have been denied personal health care–including having tests for cancer and other diseases, because womens health clinics are being de-funded. YOU may be wealthy enough to afford taking your wife to an OB/GYN for those scans, but without insurance or these so-called “free clinics”, many, many more women cannot get the testing they so critically need.

        Why do you want to kill the woman just to save a potential child? And if that mother dies before childbirth, what are the odds that the child itself will live? By denying health care to women, you’re killing not only the woman, but the child she may be carrying.

      • JeffH

        D. Fields, do most of you progressives have comprehension problems?

        You said, “And who said you were paying for that abortion? The RNC, not anybody else.”

        What was said is “knowing his taxes” are paying for some “hxx” abortion”

        Some of our tax dollars are given to Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood funds abortions.

        Everyone that pays federal taxes is funding(paying for)abortions, whether they want to or not. That’s not the RNC or the GOP talking, that’s just the fact of the matter.

      • Vicki

        Careful there JeffH. Liberals and facts don’t work well together.

      • eddie47d

        I noticed that about Jeff H a little earlier in his jumping to conclusions. Matter of fact Vickie did it too!

      • JeffH

        Hey dummy…go back and read my response…the only one fabricating any conclusion here is you.

        Both illegal hiring cases, Tyson and Perdue, have been either aquitted or dismissed without merit.

      • eddie47d

        Give it a rest Jeff H. They hired illegals in the past and do you really think they didn’t skedaddle those illegals out the back door as the Feds were investigating at the front door. If the case is now closed (Wednesday) then move on!

      • JeffH

        One more time for the dummy…

        Nothing in the world is more dangerous than (your)sincere ignorance and (your)conscientious stupidity.
        Martin Luther King, Jr.

      • Smilee

        JeffH says:
        November 10, 2012 at 11:27 am

        King was talking about you jeffy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • JeffH

        Here it is again for DUMMY #2…

        Nothing in the world is more dangerous than (your)sincere ignorance and (your)conscientious stupidity.
        Martin Luther King, Jr.

    • Bob

      I agree with most of your points in one way or the other. We as Conservatives can not dictate our values on many issues. We can not make anyone have a abortion, can not make anyone have a gay relationship or have a gay marriage. The Christian Conservative go around trying to force things on folks that would like to be Conservative in their basic values but we cant force it. We have to reach out across the spectrum as a gentler kinder people to make a difference. We will never win a war about it but we can win with understanding. With no true understanding it is all lost.

      • Rhonda Reichel

        Exactly why the republican party needs to lean Libertarian….not liberal
        States should decide those social issues not the federal government.
        Read the constitution ….it says nothing about the feds controlling these things.

        You can’t legislate moraility….nor enforce it anyway.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Kenneth,

      You write: “You and the Republicans lost because you do not appreciate contemporary America.” I am not a Republican and did not support Romney. Perhaps you are new here. America lost because it voted to continue its slide into totalitarianism. More on that Monday.

      You write: “We needed you to join in on ARRA and you went AWOL.” I do not support government theft, redistribution and money printing for any purpose.

      You write: “Find a better candidate. One that can be charismatic. One that can touch the heart and the head.” My criteria is Constitutionalist. I pointed out Romney’s flaws on multiple occasions. At times our reporting cost us subscribers. Republicans did not like being told their candidate was flawed.

      You write: “Move away from the far right and towards the center.” That would be a compromise of my principles. Why should I do that?

      You write: “Choose to make government better not eliminate it.” I work daily to do that by advocating its constraint within the bounds of the Constitution.

      You write: “We have more than enough money in this country to have a big government.” Yes with money printing and redistribution. It’s lead to the destruction of the middle class.

      Your items labeled E, G and H: Non sequitur and meaningless feel-good drivel.

      You write: “Support the middle class and working class.” My writing is directed toward supporting the middle and working classes and helping them to prepare for the theft and devaluation the elites have been perpetuating on them. This has been my goal since 1969 when I first began publishing my newsletter.

      You write: “Stop obssessing (sic) over abortion. Keep it legal and make sure that people have access to it.” I will always work to protect innocent life.

      As this is your first post, I must assume you were assigned a list conservative sites on which to post your talking points. Your brush is too broad and misses the point here. Nice try though.

      Best wishes,

      • edmundo uehling

        In your endless campaign “to protect innocent life” please tell us which innocent minority prisoner, which pot experimenting teen prisoner, which whistle-blowing Army private, which pain-wracked senior, which Iraqi refugee, which loving gay couple, which abused homeless teen, all “innocent” and some courageous lives, which have been caught up in the religious, neocon, hawkish, hate-mongering, death maw, which you “conservatives” want to impose on all of us. Your ilk are the worst kind of statists–literally the “American Taliban”, as others have pointed out.

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear edmundo uehling,

          Your comment denotes an ignorance of my positions, which are put out here almost daily for all to see. I’ll forgive your ad hominem attack. I suggest you spend some time educating yourself before spewing about in the dark. Are you familiar with the adage, “It is best to keep silent and appear an idiot rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt?”

          Best wishes,

      • JeffH

        WOW, edmundo uehling! Were you beaten and abused as a child and taught to hate or were you just raised ignorant?

        I can’t speak for Bob Livingston, but I doubt that Mr. Livingston would waste his time on such an ignorant comment.

      • Smilee

        You write: “Move away from the far right and towards the center.” That would be a compromise of my principles. Why should I do that?

        RESPONSE: The center is where the solutions lie. That is why you should do that, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Your position of my way or the highway does not work and that is the problem today and I believe this is the primary reason Obama won as that is what people want. It should be a wake call to people who believe as you do,

      • Vicki

        Smilee says:
        “RESPONSE: The center is where the solutions lie.”

        There is no center. There is right and there is wrong. Taking our money for your pet charities is wrong. Using government thugs to take the money is not centrist.

      • JeffH

        Beware the words of Smilee. Liable to pull the old “depends what the meaning of is is” routine on ya’.

      • eddie47d

        The thing is Vickie the center most likely is right and those on the extreme right and the extreme left can be very wrong. Some of you want constant turmoil on the far fringes. Jeff H of coarse doesn’t solve a thing with his snarky remark either.

      • Wake the sleepers

        Well done, Mr. Livingston!

      • JeffH

        The DUMMY says “Jeff H of coarse doesn’t solve a thing with his snarky remark either.” Oh, isn’t that a classic case of the pot calling the kettle..surely you’re a hypocrit.

        One more time for the DUMMY…

        The truth is incontrovertible. (your)Malice may attack it, (your)ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
        Winston Churchill

        [Your love of]Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
        Winston Churchill

        Nothing in the world is more dangerous than (your)sincere ignorance and (your)conscientious stupidity.
        Martin Luther King, Jr.

    • Texas Ride

      Got to hand it to your Kenneth, you covered nearly the entire communist play-book, for destroying a country! You just needed to get into the economy and you would have it all.

      First and foremost, your devotion to “Diversity, Multiculturalism and Political Correctness” is not surprising. These are the most valuable tools of radicals! THESE are the things that are tearing our country apart!

      America was great because there was a fabric that held the country together. The people were proud to be Americans and they were patriots! All loved their freedom and they love the opportuntities it gave them. Immigrants were respectful of our laws and learned our language, they assemilated. There was one culture…the American Culture! We celebrated the Holidays together and Christ’s Birthday didn’t offend anyone! And, when the other guys celebrated, it didn’t offend us. Everyone felt pride in working and providing for themselves. When times were rough people helped each other. People had self-repect and were ashamed to take handouts from the government! The schools taught American History and made students proud .Student enjoyed a “National Pride!” Your ilk, Kenneth, think these things are BAD and your ilk did their best to turn this country upside-down.

      Conservatives don’t need to adopt the communist ideology. We don’t need to be tolerant of the communist agenda. Tolerance brought this country more “ills” than we can list and it has nearly destroyed American values! Which BTW, are the best values a country could hope to have. THere is no country in the world that could compare with what America was when America was for Americans and for the people that wanted to be Americans!

      So, take your diversity, tolerance, multiculturalism, your political correctness, your useful idiots, your bloated tyrannical government, your love of islam, the UN and Agenda 21, the NWO, your NDAA, and shove them where the sun doesn’t shine! We don’t need them, Americans never needed them. We were better people for not having them and our country flourished!
      BTW, we will keep GOD, our religion and you take your secularism and shove it, as well.

      • Karolyn

        The only thing in life that we can be sure of is change. Things can never remain the same indefinitely.

      • Vicki

        So if the only sure thing is change how come we still have obama?

        Besides the correct comment is the only sure thing is death and taxes. Those are both coming and not slowly.

      • eddie47d

        Texas Ride dreams of the good ol’ days of segregation,sweat shops and keeping people in their places. If it isn’t to her liking it has to be communism.

      • Texas Ride

        Karo, why self-destruct, just for the sake of change! America wasn’t broken and it didn’t need fixing..

        The proof of that was the respected position we held in the world, and the prosperity we shared with all.. America was always the first to answer the call for help, no matter who it was or how far away. Today, we don’t even help Americans in danger despite all the “caring bs” spewed by radicals. But, we don’t jhesitate to rob our bank to send $400 BILLION Dollars to the muslims, accompanied by the best American weapons.

      • Texas Ride

        Eddie, do you want to be my “girlfriend!”

        Do you need a good time! Do you follow me around because you think I am female! Be good or I will stick my girlfriends on you..

        Attention, I will compare America with any country in the world when it comes to a People that are generous, caring and Christian! Your ilk don’t fit into America. Chevez, Putin and omaumau are the current “Axis of Evil” that radicals admire. Let me throw in a few more muslims and its the radical’s perfect wetter dream. The problem with turncoat radicals is that they think their lives will stay the same, but they will just get more goodies. WRONG!
        Your entire life will be drastically changed and that was a promise by your hero! I hope you are not an old white guy because if you ever get sick and need obamacare, your are “toast!”

        America, at this moment is a country in decline. We have a foreign dictator at the helm and radicals follow with noses up some smelly place. The foreigner is organizing that decline with lightening speed and the stupid, uneducated, the envious, and the ill-informed, koolaid drinkers are helping to bring about their own demise! To me, that is the ultimate in mental incompetence!

      • JeffH

        Texas Ride says “Eddie, do you want to be my “girlfriend!”

        Do you need a good time! Do you follow me around because you think I am female! Be good or I will stick my girlfriends on you..”

        You get it! LMAO! :) :) :)

      • JeffH

        TR, forgot to mention that I doubt a troll would make a good girlfriend, or a good anything for that matter.

  • mehrgan

    First of all, republicans have to understand the magical impacts of media on people decision. They have to expand both their modern media like social networks and TVs. They should also realize new demographic change in the states and new immigrants specially youngsters who do not want to work hard, to create or innovate and take risk. The best achievement for these democrat coalitions is to capture a sinecure job!

    • dmounts

      No. All Americans need to learn the constitution and our founding principles (and not the HuffPo, Media Matters/DNC version) in the actual founders’ words. They essentially said our Republic would last until the majority learned they could vote themselves whatever they wanted. And we’re almost there – if we haven’ past it already. America is broke, bankrupt, out of money.

      • D. Fields

        Just remember, America was NOT broke before the last Republican President entered office.

    • Rhonda Reichel

      Immigrants have exactly the same values and concerns we all do. They are not any different. They benefit from a constitutional government too. They will vote for a worthy candidate if you give them a choice. We had no real choice this time, thanks to the dirty tricks the RNC and Romney campaign pulled, coupled with the corrupt media.
      Illegal immigrants should be deported and get in the back of the line…we are a nation of laws.

    • Rhonda Reichel


  • vlad shek

    As a refugee from the Soviet Union our family was awaiting an entrance visa to the Free World. It was 1978. We could apply to come to the US, Australia, or Canada.The choice was obvious-THE US, of course! The best country in the entire world!
    And we never regret our choice…
    Until now….

    • dmounts

      The progressives have so twisted history that 50%(or more) do not understand the founding principles. But emigrants from socialist/communist countries can see it. I have neighbors from Cuba and Viet Nam who warned me in 2007 about what Obama saying. Why do you think Americans can’t see it?

      • Paul Wells

        I think Americans can’t see it, because they don’t want to. They think this socialism is just fine, it’s the “kindest” way to be, to annihilate a country from within, as long as you aren’t offending anyone while you do it.

    • Rhonda Reichel

      Hang in there Vlad
      We are going to change this or cease to be a sovereign country. But if we go down Canada & all the rest will too in a NWO. That’s what is in play here. People better wake up.

  • randall

    hahahaha, goldmen sachs wins again, easy to do when both sides are paid for. change will never come from within a corrupt system. break out, become self-relient, grow some food, get out of debt, learn what weeds are edible, your life may depend upon it. when our country is borrowing 40cents of every dollar spent and everyone is getting ready to retire, cutting taxes or raising taxes on rich is pissing into the wind. hahahahahaha

    • dmounts

      You’re right. Despite all of the Democratic outrage of the financial crisis, not one has been prosecuted much less put in jail. And look at Jon Corzine – walked off with billions – and not even a slap on the wrist!

    • Rhonda Reichel

      well we all could see where these 2 sharks were getting their money….and we all could see that Ron Paul’s top contributors were mostly from private citizens especially the military
      It was obvious who would be their master….the people or the banks & corporations and the voters chose to vote for the banks & corp. candidates…..SUCKERS !!!!

      • eddie47d

        Both Obama and Romney were Wall Street hacks and benefited from them. I’ve been fighting the excesses of Wall Street and Corporate cronyism for years. The difference is that Democrats demanded reform and did get some (very weak reforms) and the Republicans did absolutely nothing to reform them… They actively tried to stop those reforms.

  • jokkmk

    People liked Hitler too. He gave them back their national pride and dignity. He ushered in the autobahn and the volkswagen. The economy improved, he rebuilt the military. Oh, there was that murdering millions thing………

    Abortion is the number one problem. We slaughter people by the millions legally. We are no better than Nazi Germany.

    • dmounts

      ….yeah the little murdering thing! How many millions of Jews is Hitler responsible for wiping out? How about Stalin, Pol Pot, and Chairman Mao? Upwards of 100 million dead at their hands? Isn’t socialism and communism magnificent? But do the progressives teach this in school?

      • D. Fields

        Hitler wasn’t Socialist, however. He was so far to the Right that he began to believe he could rule the world.

      • eddie47d

        Thanks for correcting them D Fields. Hitler was extreme right and killed millions and Mao was extreme left and killed millions. That is why extremism’s must be questioned and sometimes fought against when it rears its head.

      • Maryland Freestater

        @D. Fields – you are incorrect here – Hitler WAS a Socialist (“remember what NAZI stood for – ‘National Socialist German Workers Party -NSDAP in German). Don’t forget he started as an ally of Stalin, who killed many millions of Jews more than Hitler did during Stalin’s reign.

        Something else Americans aren’t taught in ‘school’…

      • eddie47d

        Hitler rejected the Socialist workers and even jailed many of them He kept the name to appease the few who didn’t realize they had been duped.

      • Vicki

        D. Fields says:
        “Hitler wasn’t Socialist, however. He was so far to the Right that he began to believe he could rule the world.”

        Actually he was. And as to left vs right he was certainly far far to the left of the only scale that has meaning in politics. 100%-0% government.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Hitler rejected the Socialist workers and even jailed many of them.”

        He didn’t reject them. He was merely disposing of “useful” idiots.

      • JeffH

        John J. Ray (M.A.; Ph.D.)

        Hitler, spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930:

        I am a Socialist, and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, Count Reventlow. . . . What you understand by Socialism is nothing more than Marxism.

        Von Mises in his Human Action (p. 171) said:

        There are two patterns for the realization of socialism. The first pattern (we may call it the Lenin or Russian pattern) . . . . the second pattern (we may call it the Hindenburg or German Pattern) nominally and seemingly preserves private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary markets, prices, wages, and interest rates. There are, however, no longer entrepreneurs, but only shop managers … bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by government.

        This is precisely how Hitler governed when he achieved dictatorial power.

        • pissed off and liberal

          Hittler was a fascist he considerd marxist to be his enemy right up ther with the jews that is historical fact

      • DaveH

        Because you say so, Liberal?
        For those who know better than to take the word of a Liberal Progressive for anything:

      • JeffH

        PO&L, it must suck to realize that your ideological roots and Hitler’s ideologies are very similar…wouldn’t wanna be you!

        • pissed off and liberal

          When i look for political inspiration i look to karl marx when hittler needed inspiration he looked to mousalini. now do i need to educate you about the differences of mousalini and marx or are you a big enough boy to realize your mistake all by yourself? p.s rule of thumb first person to make a hittler comparisn during an argument just lost the argument.

      • JeffH

        PO&L, are you drunk or are you just that ignorant? You can’t even put together a coherent sentance let alone spell properly and you’re going to educate someone?

        Rule of thumb…Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

        • pissed off and liberal

          So let me get this striaght. a conservitive whos entire political stratagey is to promote ignorence is chastizing me for me perseeved ignorence? drool sir very drool

      • JeffH

        PO&L says “So let me get this striaght. a conservitive whos entire political stratagey is to promote ignorence is chastizing me for me perseeved ignorence? drool sir very drool”

        That is just your ignorant interpretation! I’m just presenting the historical facts, it is you that is somehow and ignorantly trying to promote ignorance.

        I’ll repeat this one more time for the ignorant liberal who seems to not understand who’s actually being ignorant here:

        Rule of thumb…”Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

        • pissed off and liberal

          The most commen method people deal with ther own faults is that they force them on others. your accusations are baseless. your ability to assese others flaws is minimal and by lashing out at the people who disagree with you even slightly you revel YOURSELF as the ignorent one as the clearest sign of ignorence is a enability to accept others opinions.

          P.S by-the-way by your own logic no republican should ever speack again!

      • JeffH

        PO&L, I’ll repeat this one more time for the ignorant liberal who still can’t understand who’s actually being ignorant here:

        Rule of thumb…”Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”

        Or, as Forrest Gump said: “Stupid is as stupid does”

        Your Republican reference is non sequitur.

        • pissed off and liberal

          JeffH an old japenese saying goes ” he who knows only one ting repeats it often ” or in terms you can understand you are a one trick pony.

      • JeffH

        Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance.

        • pissed off and liberal

          You know you remind me a lot of judge frollo from the hunchback of notre dame.he saw corruption everywhere exept within where as you see ignorence everywhere exept within.remember the only way sacratise ever claimed superiority to any one was that he was aware of his ignorence.i am painfully aware of the multitude of things i dont know where as YOU act like you know the meaning of life.

      • JeffH

        PO&L says “,i am painfully aware of the multitude of things i dont know where as YOU act like you know the meaning of life.”

        Typical conclusion drawn by a typical progressive ignoramous.

        What is recognizable is that your ignorance and conjecture is drawn from your delusional mind, not from anything that was posted here.

        The meaning of life? LMAO at you! …but I do know an ignorant liberal when I see one, or in your case, when I read one.

        A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.
        Saul Bellow

        • pissed off and liberal

          And i know a pompus conservitive when i see one. How typical of you and your comrades to resort to childish name calling when you can,t counter what your opponent says with fact.So now i,m delusional for daring to disagree with you. You must have a high opinion of yourself but remember this the more you fuel your pride the greater you make the inevitable fall.

      • JeffH

        PO&L, this is the argument you originally posted “Hittler was a fascist he considerd marxist to be his enemy right up ther with the jews that is historical fact”

        That’s the entirety of your facts? That’s just your unsupported opinion. You haven’t provided anything more than your “opinion”, nothing that would back up your opinion.

        I, on the other hand, have provided a link that supports up my assertion.

        Now pay close attention here…I’ll try to educate you away from your ignorance.

        *FASCISM* Benito Mussolini was a fascist!
        What ‘Fascism’ employs is prioritizing the benefit of the state above anything else. The State will incorporate all values relevant to making it the superior power, be it nationalism or militarism. This means using all the people within the State, regardless of their race.

        *NAZISM* Adolph Hitler was a Nazi(socialist)
        ‘Nazism’, on the other hand, emphasizes on race. More specifically, the Aryan race. Nazism still was about the state, but they would not accept anyone from other races to exist with their own. While pure Fascism would accept people from other religions as long as they were useful for the state, Nazism vehemently declined any such steps.

        The word Nazi is actually an abbreviation of the word ‘Nationalsozialistische’ from ‘Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei’, which means National “Socialist” German Workers’ Party.

        I’ve provided the means to educate you, that’s all I can do.
        The choice is up to you…to learn the facts or remain ignorant.

        FYI, besides being an ugnorant liberal you’re also a hypocrit!

        This is my last response, I’m finished schooling you and my job is done. No charge for the lessons either. :)

        • pissed off and liberal

          1Mussolini considerd the arab-africans living in the then colonyof libya inferiour to the italians and after acting on suggestion from hittler introducwd anti-jewish legislation therfore racism is in fact a part of fascism. 2 Hittler named the party national socialist to atract people who wern,t comterble in the comunist party. 3 And this one is important Mussolini invented fascism in part to combat bolshievism so if hittler was a socialist like you claim Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany would have NEVER signed a treaty to fight together.The truth is Hittler thought bolshievism was created by the jews and since bolshievism is just a old term for socialism it does not make logical sence that Hittler would adopt the ideas of the people he considerd his enemy You say that this is the last time you will talk to me? that,s fine to keep this up is of no benifet to me and to ignore you is no lose to me..

      • JeffH

        If you wish to avoid seeing a fool you must first break your looking-glass.
        - Francois Rabelais

    • Rhonda Reichel

      and SHOCK & AWE
      we killed plenty of innocent civilians overseas spreading democracy….or so they say

      • Tony Newbill

        ok so we proved right there with your statement Rhonda that Both parties are the same right ?

      • Rhonda Reichel

        Yes Tony…the same….A DUOPOLY
        just as Bush got money for the fake wars from the democrats when they had both houses
        just as the republicans enabled Obama by giving him ultimate power with the NDAA
        It’s pretty obvious

  • pop

    the reason for the loss is republicans have a history of non-cooperation, in our form of government consensus and cooperation are necessary. our government needs the republican party only if they learn to say yes instead of no.

    i voted for obama because of ryan’s refusal to ever cooperate and help government work for the people.

    • Edward chandler


      why is it that the Republicans have to give in on everything and the Democrats can go on lying,cheating and stealing elections.? This Administration and election proved that it doesn’t pay to be honest.

      • Linda

        Yes and Romney tried to play nice and classy while Obama played nasty and dirty and lied and won the election. This election just proved that half of this country are just plain stupid.

      • Flashy

        Linda…not half. 48%

        50.5% showed otherwise.

      • DaveH

        Linda says — “This election just proved that half of this country are just plain stupid”.
        Then the administration shill, Flashman, chimed in and said — “Linda…not half. 48%. 50.5% showed otherwise”.
        That’s 50.5% of the Voters, Flashman, not the “country”. Since only about 120,000,000 people voted and there are 310,000,000 people in the “country”. The percentage of people in the “country” who voted for Obama is about 20%.
        So, I guess Linda is right about the stupid part, at least in your case, Flashman.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        November 9, 2012 at 1:17 pm

        You do not count if you do not vote. Your belief is pure speculation and wishful thinking which is what most of your conclusions are based on

      • DaveH

        Circular reasoning. What else would I expect from a Liberal Progressive, Sleepee?

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        November 10, 2012 at 12:01 am

        Again and as you often do is sidestep my remarks with a simplistic snide remark, so typical of you davy

      • DaveH

        As usual, Sleepee counters my astute observation with a nonsensical comment.

    • Linda

      People like you are responsible for the ruin and bankruptcy of this United States.

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        Why do we have to take your advice when we know you are not speaking the truth.

    • Rhonda Reichel

      Say yes instead of no?….that’s the stupidest thing I ever heard
      YES got us 16,000,000,000 deficit
      YES got us the NDAA
      YES got us into wars
      NO is more like it

      • D. Fields

        “Say yes instead of no?….that’s the stupidest thing I ever heard”

        “YES got us 16,000,000,000 deficit” — “No” would have saved the first 10 Trillion
        “YES got us the NDAA” — “No” would have eliminated the need for it.
        “YES got us into wars” — “No” would have prevented those wars.
        “NO is more like it” — When it’s the right people saying it.

    • Vicki

      pop says:
      “the reason for the loss is republicans have a history of non-cooperation, in our form of government consensus and cooperation are necessary. our government needs the republican party only if they learn to say yes instead of no.”

      Not sure which country you were raised in but in this country (The USA) our government needs statesmen who will just say no to all of the abuses that come naturally to any government. Our Constitution is a list of LIMITS on government in the form of enumerated powers and specific “DO NOT TOUCH” rights.

      Consensus and / or cooperation with anyone who is not enforcing those limitations will destroy our freedoms. Witness the last 12 years.

      • Tim Williamson

        If our constitution is nothing more than a ‘list of limits’ and ‘do not touch rights’, then why did the founders include a supreme court? There would be nothing to adjudicate since everyone would know exactly what was meant. If those rights and limits were so clearly stated, then there would be no need for constitutional lawyers.

        But, instead, we have a constitution that our founders KNEW would be debated and argued over and even amended from time to time. So, it is not an etched in stone document, but is one subject to slow and cautious change over time.

      • Smilee

        Vicki says:
        November 9, 2012 at 6:28 pm

        What limits have been exceeded???????? I realize some things have happened you co not like but that does not mean any limits were exceeded, After all as an example Obamacare was fount by the SC not to have exceeded that limit and by the Constitution it did not.

        What freedoms have been lost??????????????? so many here say that but never say what, I think it is your imagination and of course being in the minority and not getting your way may have something to do with it,

      • DaveH

        Show us where in the Constitution it is declared that Federal Government has the power to force anybody to buy Healthcare Insurance, Sleepee:

        • Smilee

          Here it isi: Article one, Section. 8 first paragraph: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

          Congress here is given the power to tax to provide for the general welfare of the United States and this is what Roberts said in his majority opinion, Section eight of this article defines the powers and limits of the Congress (federal government), but in no way defines or limits its size of government provided it is within these powers and limits and Obamacare exceeds neither and that is the reason Roberts gave in upholding it. You disagree I know but Roberts word counts yours means nothing on this issue.

      • DaveH

        And even if it did give Federal Government that Power, Sleepee, it definitely is a Loss of Freedom when people can’t forgo Medical Insurance Freely and they can’t contract Freely with the Doctor of their choice without Government meddling.
        The Government created the Health Care mess with their meddling, and now the Self-Serving Liberal Progressives have fooled the people into thinking that More Government meddling is the cure. Time will shine the light of the Truth, but by then a great many people will have suffered unnecessarily, thanks to Thieving Liberal Progressives.
        For those who want to shed the Propaganda Blinders and learn some truth:

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        November 11, 2012 at 9:12 am

        Interesting to note you now acknowledge they probably have that power but as I said in my last post Roberts’s word counts yours means nothing on this issue and I will rely on his opinion over your propaganda sites you reference to support your BS

      • DaveH

        Sleepee cites the first paragraph of Article I, Section 8 which contains the so-called “General Welfare” clause as giving the Federal Government power to force us to buy Healthcare Insurance.
        Yet, after that so-called “General Welfare” clause (which really was just our Founders clumsy way of saying that the Federal Government couldn’t use its enumerated powers to favor particular states) the Constitution lists the enumerated powers of the Federal Government.
        Now if the General Welfare clause was to be interpreted as the Liberal Progressives interpret it, why in the world would the Founders have listed those enumerated Powers? General Welfare, as the Liberal Progressives interpret it, would cover every one of those Powers and anything else they wanted to do. So the Listing of Powers would have been a useless exercise in futility.

        From the Father of the US Constitution, James Madison, in Federalist No. 41:
        “Some, who have not denied the necessity of the power of taxation, have grounded a very fierce attack against the Constitution, on the language in which it is defined. It has been urged and echoed, that the power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,” amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction”.

        See the rest of James Madison’s retort here:

      • DaveH

        In typical equivocal Liberal Progressive style, Sleepee says — “Interesting to note you now acknowledge they probably have that power”.
        What is interesting to note is that I said no such thing. I said “even if it did give Federal Government that Power”.
        I suppose I should forgive Sleepee since his Public School miseducation is not his fault.

      • DaveH

        Show us where in the Constitution, Sleepee, the Supreme Court is given the right to be the final arbiter of Constitutionality.
        They just assumed that right and as I pointed out earlier, since they are a branch of the Federal Gang (I mean Government), to leave the final decision to them is akin to letting the Fox guard the Hen House.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        November 11, 2012 at 6:39 pm

        Now if the General Welfare clause was to be interpreted as the Liberal Progressives interpret it, why in the world would the Founders have listed those enumerated Powers? General Welfare, as the Liberal Progressives interpret it, would cover every one of those Powers and anything else they wanted to do. So the Listing of Powers would have been a useless exercise in futility.

        Davy, Davy, Davy

        It was not the liberals that iterpeted it that way it was John Roberts in his majority opinion that wrote that and he was a bush appointee regarded as very conservative. You do not get to interpret nor do the liberals or me, the court does and what they say counts and you sure do not. Statements like you make only prove how ignorant you are. Roberts said Obamacare is covered under general welfare and now that Obama won it will not be changed and you will have to live with it. Man up and get over it. Argue all you like to the contrary but you cannot change the courts ruling regardless of what BS you throw at it.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        November 11, 2012 at 6:48 pm

        The key word was probably. Your reading comprehension is lacking too

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        November 11, 2012 at 6:51 pm

        Show us where in the Constitution, Sleepee, the Supreme Court is given the right to be the final arbiter of Constitutionality.
        They just assumed that right and as I pointed out earlier, since they are a branch of the Federal Gang (I mean Government), to leave the final decision to them is akin to letting the Fox guard the Hen House.

        “Madison v Marbury” Read it. Soon after the country was founded andit has been that way for over 200 years and fully settled. You cannot rewrite history to your liking and that is why so often your lose the correct sense of reallity because you so often do that

      • vicki

        Smilee writes:
        “….the court does and what they say counts and you sure do not…”

        The very definition if tyranny. Nice.

        So to paraphrase a really good movie quote
        “Would you tell me please, Mr Smilee… why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 12 tyrants one mile away?”

      • Smilee

        vicki says:
        November 12, 2012 at 1:42 pm

        If you cannot understand that the SC decision has the force of law and that davy’s has absolutely no force of any kind and is pure BS then you are dumber than a box of rocks, your post makes no sense what so ever

      • Vicki

        Smilee says:
        “If you cannot understand that the SC decision has the force of law and that davy’s has absolutely no force of any kind and is pure BS then you are dumber than a box of rocks, your post makes no sense what so ever”

        Ohhh. Smilee masterfully plays the argumentum ad verecundiam AND the Argumentum Ad Hominem cards. <– Just doing my part to educate rather that propagandize.

        • Smilee

          What ever, you totally failed!!!

      • Vicki

        Smilee says:
        “What ever, you totally failed!!!”

        Proof by bald assertion. Debate – Fail.

  • William Parsons

    You lost because of the unconstutionalist that are running the party .

    • Rhonda Reichel

      yes & amen

  • Rod

    When the Republican party decided to ostracize Sarah Palin from the RNC is when I lost enthusiasm. They needed all the help they could get and Sarah and Glen Beck were good at getting the message across.

    • Walter & Renee Agard

      Glen beck don’t speak the truth and he is one of the biggest racist.

      • Vicki

        Proof by bald assertion. Debate – FAIL.

    • D. Fields

      I hate to say it but Sara Palin didn’t have a clue either during her run for VP or since. She may be the “perfect Republican”, but quite honestly her viewpoint comes from a very backwater state that is more wilderness than urbanized. Her views are perfect there because quite literally the people there are quite capable of making their own living off of the land; the lower 48 have lost much of that capability.

      How? What about the corporate farms driving the traditional farmer out of business?
      What about industry leaders sending jobs overseas simply because the labor is cheaper? She didn’t understand this in ’08 and it seems she still doesn’t understand it today.

      Worse, the people who really supported Romney this time were actually supporting a man who sent millions of jobs overseas and made tends of millions of dollars by doing so.

      Worst? He proved his management skills by the fact that he couldn’t even delegate a simple “get out the Republican vote” project to an effective manager. Almost 30,000 republican supporters were barred from their sign-waving and exit-polling because they were never told by that manager that they needed permits.

      Even assuming for the moment that Romney might be the better choice, his management choices during this campaign alone demonstrates his lack of real ability. I’d rather have an evil I know than one I don’t know.

      • Maryland Freestater

        Sorry to be responding so much, D. Fields but here I’m forced to agree on one point you bring up:

        Obama IS definitely better at Organizing than Romney ‘cos he spent so much time community organizing while Romney was out WORKING…

        Just saying.

      • Karolyn

        So because Obama spent his youth trying to help others rather than in feathering his nest he is not as good as Romney?

      • Vicki

        Karolyn says:
        “So because Obama spent his youth trying to help others rather than in feathering his nest he is not as good as Romney?”

        This is why we are doomed. Too many people are like Karolyn think that taking care of self and family and donating to charity is bad while filing lawsuits to force businesses to loan money to people who can’t possibly pay them back is good.

      • Smilee

        Vicki says:
        November 9, 2012 at 6:34 pm

        As long as you rely on propaganda like this you will never know the truth. This article is pure and total malarkey.

      • vicki

        So smiliees new (old) trick is to try and dis-credit our sources since most liberals here go by “proof by bald assertion” and never give sources they can’t be accused of using propaganda sites.

      • DaveH

        As you know, Vicki, the Liberal Progressives don’t have logic or fact to back them up, so they have to resort to adolescent manipulative emotional tactics.

      • Smilee

        vicki says:
        November 10, 2012 at 12:52 pm

        It is your sources that discredit themselves, lies and more lies always do that. The chickens will always come home to rest, many of them did this last election when most people realized the lies the GOP were telling and found them the bigger liars of the tw0.

      • vicki

        DaveH says:
        “As you know, Vicki, the Liberal Progressives don’t have logic or fact to back them up, so they have to resort to adolescent manipulative emotional tactics.”

        Indeed. I just want to point it out to the (many) other readers so they can see where the propaganda actually comes from.

      • vicki

        Smilee says:
        “It is your sources that discredit themselves, lies and more lies always do that.”

        This statement is quite true. However the “sources” are liberals like Smilee and Flashy who never offer evidence of their provably false assertions. Hence you can see why their credibility here is 0 to -1

        Note smilee demonstrates this by claiming lies and more lies but never offers a rebuttal (with cites) to the sources we actually bother to share.

    • Smilee

      The vast majority in the country do not listen to their message nor believe it, remember Palin lost my an even bigger margin

  • Ron Randall

    The Republicans don’t need to change their principles but they definitely need marketing advice. They need to understand how to explain their positions and how the people would benefit from them. ie. Romney suggested that the car companies go into bannkruptcy with a safety net provided by the feds. So every auto worker sees him or herself out of a job when in reality all it means is reorganization. He should have said the companies should go into reorganization and not even mention the word “bankruptcy”. It is an entirely different scenario. For decades, it has been apparent that Democrat positions are easier to explain and thus, receive the support of the average citizen. Republican positions are harder for the avaerage citizen to understand and that is a problem that Republicans have never understood and will probabaly not recover until they do. Until they do, you’ll have people who are pre-disposed to believe the worse believe that Republicans only like the rich and eat babies, etc.

    • Paul Wells

      Ron, you are probably right. Romney said bankruptcy, assuming people would understand what it meant. But the reality of the situation is, Americans have been so dumbed down, they have to have things explained to them in short sentences, and small words. This truly is a new day in America, where the educational system systemically fails to educate, and the unions dictate to the school board what to teach, how to teach it, how much they’ll make teaching it. etc. etc. I believe the constitutional R’s have the right idea, but they are in a world of hurt when it comes to marketing their “product”.

      • eddie47d

        About 40 years ago I use to hear from Republicans that bankruptcy was a bad word. That people and businesses that used it where using the system to get away with their overspending. That someones else had to pick up the tab for their mistakes. Now some are saying bankruptcy is a good thing and should be embraced. Seeing how much money Romney made off of that process I can see why those same Republicans switched sides.

      • Smilee

        Paul Wells says:
        November 9, 2012 at 9:32 am

        dumbed down, and your not?????? you are no smarter than them and maybe not as smart, like Romney you look down your nose at good people. Shame on you!!

      • DaveH

        You’re not “good people”, Sleepee. You’re just a run-of-the-mill Liberal Progressive who hires Big Government to steal the legally-earned wealth of others. You are simply a prominent member of the Society of Criminals:

        • pissed off and liberal

          And you DaveH are simply a malignent ape smearing you vile passive aggressive filth on people whos only crime is that they dont bow down to your narcisistic glorifacation of ignorence.

      • Smilee

        It seems you left Davy speechless, the truth has a way of doing that. Good response

    • D. Fields

      A question, Ron:
      Assuming that GM and Chrysler were allowed to go bankrupt and reorganize,how many other businesses would have been forced to close their doors–perhaps permanently–because the monies owed by those two companies would not be paid to the hundreds of suppliers across the country? How many more jobs would have been lost had those manufacturers not been ‘rescued’? It is the narrow view that has killed American manufacturing. That view needs to be expanded to realize that a relatively small event in one place can have huge connotations someplace else.

      China is getting rich because American corporations have moved so much manufacturing there. We need those jobs back and quite honestly I didn’t see Romney as the man to do it since he was one of those who sent them there in the first place.

      • Vicki

        The number of jobs saved by the Obama bailout is nowhere near 1 million. GM and Chrysler both went bankrupt anyway.

      • Smilee

        It was at least a million, probably more. Propaganda sites will keep you ignorant, seek out the truth. “Seek and ye shall find”

      • vicki

        Smilee says:
        “It was at least a million, probably more. Propaganda sites will keep you ignorant, seek out the truth. “Seek and ye shall find” ”

        So bring on your Propaganda sites. It will be interesting to see where you get your million or “probably” more.

        Or were you expecting us to just accept your propaganda “proof by bald assertion”.

      • DaveH

        Where did that million go, Sleepee?
        In January 2009 when Obama took office, the number of non-farm employees was 133,561,000.
        In August 2012 (the latest available actual figures) the number of non-farm employees was 133,436,000.
        That’s a Loss of 125,000 jobs since Obama took office. Where did those 1 million saved jobs go?
        Go here to investigate (check the total non-farm employment box, and pick “retrieve data” button at bottom):

      • Smilee

        vicki says:
        November 10, 2012 at 12:48 pm

        If the auto manufactures had been liquidated and this would have happened without the bailout then the demand for what these million plus workers made would have been gone and no one hires anyone to do nothing so they would have all lost their jobs, it is simple arithmetic. probably beyond your ability to comprehend.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        November 11, 2012 at 9:26 am

        Your not addressing the issue at hand, diverting from the issue is a dodge of the issue because you know in your heart I am right. Divert, Davy’s most used tactic.

      • Smilee

        Propaganda sites are the ones you and davy always refer people to. They are self evident to the intelligent, any site I have referred you too you fails to convince you as your to indoctrinated by the propaganda sites to understand the truth, never the less if you honestly research my statements you will find them to be true. like I said, “seek and you shall fine” works for those seeking the truth you have not learned that as yet.

  • Gordon in Texas

    After 4 more years, we will have a bigger government. That means more people working for the government (federal, state, county, city, etc.) and more people dependent on the government to either provide them an income or services needed in their day-to-day activities. Think those people are going to vote for someone who wants to shrink government or take away their benefits? Don’t think so.

    Although the socialistic agenda began decades ago, last Tuesday we witnessed the beginning of the end of the Republic that we once knew. The road to socialism is now paved, lined and open for business. I don’t believe there can be any turning back unless we can produce a true leader who can speak to the people in a language they can understand and get them excited about this country again. We need someone who can motivate people to do better; not just to want more. We now know that the “can do” attitude of yesterday has been replaced with the “can I have more?” attitude of today.

    The American people, in general, have lost their way.

    • D. Fields

      You do realize that over the last 4 years American government has actually shrunk somewhat, don’t you? There are currently some 40,000 fewer people working for the American government than there were prior to Obama’s inauguration. Based on that, your deduction that the American government will grow even more seems counter-intuitive.

      Stop listening to hearsay and do some research for yourself. Just because someone tells you our government is bigger doesn’t mean that it’s true.

      • Smilee

        Count in public employees from all levels of government and it totals over 600,000 and most in states controlled by the GOP, it was part of a plot to keep the unemployment level high is hopes of making Obama a one term president, It failed and country suffered more than was necessary.

    • eddie47d

      Then Gordon you should have done something about all the outsourcing that went gang busters under the previous administration and encouraged by candidate elect Romney.

  • Erik

    You lost for but a few important reasons. 1 You screwed Ron Paul and his Paultards as you call us. You stole his delegates and changed the rules against him. You disenfranchised his numerous supporters of all races. 2 Romney and Ryan had the nerve to bid us Paultards in their fold.
    We said hell no! 3 Your irrational hatred of gays and lesbians. 4 Your insane moralizing.
    You are stuck in the past. Old angry males.

    • dmounts

      I guess you showed us! Are you happy with the result?

      • Rhonda Reichel

        Yes I’m happy not to have Romney….he’d have been at least as bad and possibly worse than Obama. War with Iran would be a certainty with Romney….at least Obama has stood up to Netanbombyou…so far.

  • Aurelio Nunez

    The reason the REPUB lost is because the people just don’t care. They are satisfied the way the country is going. Same sex, moochers, abortion, freebies,amnesty,ETC. The REPUB ran on the conservative values and christian values which people do not follow. The people of America has now put judgement on our country by their feelings. America
    will someday pay the price. We are slowly pulling away from our pioneers ways. The ones that are going to be hurt be our children. We are slowly losing our freedom. The GOVT
    will now have us by our nose. When the GOVT runs out of money then what?

    • dmounts

      We have been paying the price for over 100 years – ever since the progressive came into power. Their first 2 significant acts: The Fed and the IRS. Then their took over the schools slowly. Now, despite billions and billions of education dollars, America has fallen behind. We don’t know how to think critically – aka ‘outside the box’.

    • Linda

      Half of us care, but we ust didn’t get enough electoral votes.

      • Smilee

        The majority of the voters care too and to your disappointment they outnumbered you and yours

    • Rhonda Reichel

      Then everything will change and there will be a polar shift away from liberalism. There won’t be any money for wars and there won’t be any hand outs when the dollar crashes. Only a constitutional conservative can change the direction….and that isn’t another Romney.

  • Tim Williamson

    This analysis is right…but only by about 5%. The rest of the problem is ….find a way to be inclusive. The GOP will not be a national party as long as it is PERCEIVED as the party of the angry, old, white guy – you must be much more than just the people the entire nation saw in Romney’s crowd on election night – 98% white. Be inclusive, or you will fail.

    And, finally, stop bashing our great country. America consists of both those who agree with you, and, equally important, those who do not agree with you. We’re still the best of the best. I’m very proud of America. I know that the right loves the country too. We’re all Americans. Stop telling those of us who do not agree with you that we are not Americans. It’s BS.

    • Smilee


  • Hedgehog

    Has anyone considered the idea that the Republicans threw the election? Everyone’s had a good look at almost 4 years of Obama. The fiscal cliff is dead ahead.The Constitution and the system of checks and balances are shot. Looks like 4 more years of war and hard times, or worse, a police state. Under those conditions, if you were the Republican leadership, wouldn’t you arrange to put up a credible fight but lose? Remember, whatever happens in the next 4 years is on Obama’s head. No more handy legacy from George Bush. Relax get comfortable and enjoy the show. This is the best soap opera on TV.

    • dmounts

      Yes. I have – especially when one considers the global economic malaise. Whoever is in office now gets either the credit of blame. However, Obama and the MSM have control. Look for them to consolidate by silencing talk radio, taking control of the internet and through taxes and local laws, making gun ownership excessively difficult. Then they’ll put more progerssive judges in the supreme court ….

    • D. Fields

      Where do you get those ideas? Now, I won’t argue that it seems to me like the Republicans intentionally threw both ’08 and ’12; they simply made too many stupid choices to really be serious. Maybe, just maybe, they were trying to use a full 8 years of Obama to totally destroy the Democratic Party. But I don’t think so.

      The “fiscal cliff”? Simple compromise in any one factor would be enough to eliminate it; guess who’s not likely to even suggest it?

      4 more years of “war and hard times? Hey… let’s separate those points.
      (1) We’re getting out of those wars and I haven’t seen us actively trying to foment others. Unless somebody really rocks the global boat, we’ll be out of Afghanistan in less than two years–the only war we’re still fighting.
      (2) Those hard times have been improving, despite all the nay-saying by certain parties. The fact that new housing is growing again and more people really are working again shows that those ‘hard times’ aren’t as bad as they were.

      And where does this idea of a “police state” come from? Are you talking about W’s Homeland Security which replaced American’s once well-known Civil Defense? There have been changes to it, yes, but it’s no more invasive than it was before–it’s less so in many ways. On the other hand, we ALL hate the TSA, don’t we? I don’t care what party you may belong to, I really doubt Americans would permit an acting President to initiate a police state without good cause–such as a shooting war fought on our own soil. Do you really expect things to get that bad any time soon?

      • eddie47d

        Yes they do because they have been saying it for so long now they have to believe it.

    • Maryland Freestater

      The idea that the R’s threw the election is kind of far-fetched, but not outside the pale.

      I remember reading that the KKK was encouraging all its members to vote for obama just so they could stand back and say, “America, I told you so!”

      Wonder how many Klansmen voted him back in office…?

      • eddie47d

        Since the Klan votes with their right wing ideology then I doubt if any would have fallen for that bait and switch tactic.

  • Jim B

    Any further growth in the United States is predicated on the need to get government under control and the release of the civilian strangle hold it now possesses. Looked at it another way, nearly 50 percent of the American population believe that they are being made, BY FORCE, to comply with the wishes of the barely elected Federal Government and their appointed goons and goon squads i.e. IRS, TSA, NAS, DHS etc. America is now Russia on steroids pretending to be a free country. That number one position has been lost as of 2012 as we are now officially the 19th freest nation on the planet. We have lost nearly 8 positions in just 4 years. That my fellow Americans is a national disgrace. But to be clear, those who decided to perpetuate this administration for another 4 years will not regret their decision because they do not know what is happening to begin with. The government targeted them to be their surfs and they capitulated. The fascination with zombies on the TV is no coincidence, the zombification of American citizens has been stepped up by this President in the past 4 years and will continue until the dollar is no longer the worlds currency. This is now the greatest threat to America bar-none. When zombies free stuff can no longer be handed out, and money printed from thin air to provide for them, they will turn on their masters and devour them.

    • Smilee


      • JeffH

        “YOUR DELUSIONAL!!!!!!” Another deep thought response from an intellectual moron.

        • Smilee

          What ever you say does not change the fact it is true and needs to be said!!

      • JeffH

        “What ever you say does not change the fact it is true and needs to be said!!”

        And you know this has to be said and it is true because…?

        Oh, that’s right…you know this is true because you are an intellectual moron..that needed to be said too!

  • Larry

    Even though it is a hard pill to swallow ….. visit the Eurozone for future reference purposes. The people there survive, get used to it, get used to high prices, get used to long lines, get used to higher taxes everywhere for everything.
    Unless the Republican Party embraces more socialistic ways their party is over!

    • Paul Wells

      Then why even bother to have two parties, if they are clones of each other. Hell, let’s just go one party…we seem to have, anyway.

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        Why don’t we try working together to build back what we have lost?

  • spark300c

    we lost becuase republicans do not support the core values any more. rommney was not consider a honest polictain that care about freedom like ron paul. this made impossable to attack obama in way that his policys were agasint to people and that he was lieing to the poeple about helping the middle class. The republican party is now dead.

  • Adam Edward Weiker

    This election was rigged. Every state that passed voter ID laws was won by Romney. The rest were “won” by obama. Many, many people were busted for committing voter fraud and many actually bragged about voting multiple times.

    We should NOT let this slide. We need to have this election investigated and overturned. And we cannot wait for the government to do this. We the People need to step up and make it happen.

    • dmounts

      Unfortunately, with Eric Holder and the DOJ, you can forget about that. Their solution to voter fraud is not to offer any solutions (they don’t want any!), but to apply the Alinski “Rules for Radicals” to demonize their opponents – or take them to court so the progressive judges can throw out legitimate fraud charges!

    • Linda

      you are right, but nothing won’t happen. The American drone shot at by Iranians twice and no one knew. The state department only allowing two days for the people to check out the Libya 911 attack and giving it to them on the days they are not supposed to be there.

      • Karolyn

        I am facetiously respnding to the poster who said the democrats won by cheating.

    • Karolyn

      Yeah, yeah. Sour grapes. “The only reason I didn’t win is because somebody cheated!” Wah! Wah!

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        Cheated with what? You are saying things without any facts to back it up.

      • eddie47d

        Karolyn was only poking a little fun at the constant barrage of negativity . May have been at that voter fraud comment above. If it’s the one I’m thinking of no fraud occurred yet they are still crying.

      • Deerinwater

        Cheat? Right! with Florida’s Governor under staffing the polls and cutting early voting days, it taking 3 days to get in the vote and the DNC still took the state.

        The American people seen people like Mitt Romney as a big part of our problem today!

        Just how hard is that to understand?

        We told you so many times, time and again ~ but the GOP did not and would not listen!

        You found Foxed News as a reliable source for NEWS ~ sucking up their slop like a bunch of hungry hogs.

        Radical Right Winger are easy to fool , as anyone that would rather vote against their own clear self interest then be caught on the “other team” has to be,

        Pretty girls, sports and running caption with rapid paced commentary, not too deep to lose your interest. ~ Just point out the BAD GUYS!

    • D. Fields

      Pennsylvania passed a voter ID law and still went Democratic.
      Republicans were caught far more often for voter registration fraud–often blatantly creating counterfeits or flat throwing away Democratic forms. Please link for me that case where someone “boasted about voting multiple times.” Why isn’t that person in jail or having his face plastered all over the news–especially FOX?

      Hearsay is not admissible in court, I’m not going to listen to it here without proofs.

    • Maryland Freestater

      Adam, can you cite this statement? I’m interested in reading about such activity since the local media hasn’t said a peep. Thanks! -MFS

    • Smilee


      • Smilee



        Adam Edward Weiker says:
        November 9, 2012 at 8:50 am

  • cokids

    Repub licans need to become more inclusive and less conservative and violent! The shooting of Gabriel Giffords was a BIG mistake! (Along w/ all the other rightwing murders here there and everywhere.) Look and sound mored like the ‘old’ party and you’ll have more success.

  • dallas mccoy

    Three words, War On Women, Their arrogance and stupidity in believing women would never come out of the forever slave mode, doomed the Republicans.

    • Jim C.

      Tony: I’ve been a conservative Republican for most of my life, and I’m at a loss to comprehend what you’re talking about. (1) When was anyone “cheering that an innocent person was killed by capital punishment”? Or “cheering for the idea of someone without health insurance just dying”? I’ve never heard it. (2) It wasn’t “deregulation that devastated our economy”, it was too much of the wrong kind of regulation imposed by Democrats – they required lenders to make risky loans to home buyers who didn’t have the financial resources to make the payments and, as could be expected, many home foreclosures resulted. The financial institutions tried to cope with the destructive regulations by devising new kinds of financial instruments based on bundles of “sub-prime” mortgages. As could be expected, it eventually “hit the fan”, and a financial crisis ensued. This happened at the very end of Bush’s Presidency, though the root of the problem was created a decade or more earlier – the crisis would have happened at some point no matter who was President. In fact, Bush had raised objections to what was happening at “Fannie Mae” (whose policies were at the heart of the problem) several years earlier, but Congressional Democrats refused to take any measures to solve the problem. (3) It’s entirely false to say that Bush lied about Iraq (that itself is a lie perpetrated by leftist Democrats). Congress (including Hillary Clinton and nearly all Democrats) approved what Bush did. Bush had no secret knowledge that Congress didn’t have. All available intelligence indicated that Saddam was hiding weapons in violation of United Nations sanctions. It was only after many warnings to Saddam, and continual violations of the UN sanctions that Bush took action (again with Congressional support). (4) Why some Republicans/conservatives say “Democrats want to destroy America” (or something like that) is that Democrats often act that way. They don’t take the U.S. Constitution seriously, and will readily ignore it if it serves their purpose (Obama has acted without Congressional approval when that approval was required by the Constitution, such as when he decided that Congress was in “recess”, when it wasn’t – it had temporarily adjourned, but had not recessed, so Obama had no authority to act on his own. (5) As for Limbaugh, he’s a radio personality and entertainer, not a politician. Many Republicans don’t like him and some do, but they can’t control what he says. Does it bother you that many Democrats embrace entertainers like Bill Marr, who is hateful and profane, and exudes vile, mocking contempt for Republicans and conservatives? I think he’s far more despicable than Rush, who often exhibits good-natured humor and admits his mistakes, unlike Marr. (6) Politicians are not required to subscribe to any particular religion. You say Republicans are “corrupting, ignoring and misrepresenting Christ’s message of love and redemption”. Do you mean that their political philosophy itself violates Christ’s message? Republicans/conservatives promote individual freedom, while Christians believe that “if Christ shall make you free, you shall be free indeed”. Do you think Democrats represent Christ’s message? My impression is that many (or most) Democrats do not believe in Christ – in fact, they often show contempt for Christianity. Neither do Democrats promote individual freedom, but rather collective control by government.

  • VBN

    You must realize we live in a different country now where the real power lies in the agency bureaucracies under Presidential control. What Congress passes or does not pass, means very little. Obama by executive order has eliminated the work rules from the 1986 Welfare Reform Act; when his Dream Act did not pass, he announced anyone under the age of 30 would not be deported for only violating immigration laws, and in June that those under 30 who had come to the US before age 16 would not be prosecuted and would be eligible for work permits. He gutted the strict student testing requirements under the 2001 No Child Left Behind law. He disregards bankruptcy law in eliminating the rights of GM bondholders in favor of union pension stockholders. All this in direct contravention of what the law is.
    Our agencies: the Department of Labor, the EPA under the Clean Air Act, the IRS – all act contrary to what the law is at their own discretion – all without any penalty or consequence.
    I wrote my Senator regarding the IRS premium tax credit rule that stipulates Obamacare premium tax credits for the purchase of qualifying health insurance plans purchased through state-run insurance exchanges. The IRS issued a rule that extends tax credits as subsidies to purchase health insurance through federal exchanges as well. This pushes us farther down the path of federally controlled and subsidized health care, and according to the Senator, “The Administration is again using rule-making authority to step past the will of Congress. . . the Obama Administration’s IRS has stepped outside the bounds of the law in extending premium tax credits to those purchasing insurance through the federal exchanges.”
    My Senator is supporting a RESOLUTION disapproving the rule. He HOPES to force it out of Committee, so he can hope to bring it to a VOTE of the Senate. Whoop-de-do! If the IRS won’t follow the law, will they follow a resolution???
    Our system of government relies on checks and balances, on each branch of government doing its job. It is Totally inadequate to defend itself against a law-making President and agency bureaucracy.
    Progressive thought concentrates power in the bureaucracy that can “professionally” run government for the benefit of society. The individual has no God-given rights, only those that are convenient for the government to allow him to have given current situation. THAT is the government we now have. Our Constitution is governed by half of the Supreme Court based on the general welfare clause, so that it means nothing. Our laws are now handled by the Executive branch in the same way. Our masters are government agencies. We no longer have rule by consent of the people. Its government’s understanding what is good for society that counts, not individual rights.. . . so death panels make sense, dumping billions into Solyndras make sense, eliminating oil and coal in the name of climate change makes sense. Even Justice Roberts said “It is not our (Supreme Court’s) job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices” Really? Even the Chief Justice no longer believes the Supreme Court should protect liberty when political branches of government exceed Constitutional boundaries. The country is lost. We are a socialist nation, and our rights are not given us by God, they are given to us by the government, to the extent they can afford for the overall benefit of society. We have four years to watch the concrete harden.

  • The Christian American

    We lost because we picked a looser to run against a knowledgeable Communist dictator instead of a God fearing knowledgeable American. Pride, Satan’s sin, played a big role in Romney’s campaign. He’s Romney, he can’t loose what matter what he says or does. If he had won he had Netenyahu waiting in the wings to start Armaggedon along with him, not that Obama’s goals won’t take us there anyway. Our coin has the legend “In God we trust” on it and I find it hard to believe God’s on America’s side anymore. As a matter of fact, I think He’s very angry with America. The people that voted for him for the most part voted out of their pocket books and we’ve all heard: For the love of money is the root of all evil. God sent us a lifesaver with the name of Ron Paul and we grabbed at a straw. Remember Romney never said one word about repealing the laws and acts Bush and Obama perpetrated on the American. Executive orders will be the rule of the day. The euphoria felt when Bush won was short lived wasn’t it? If Romney won the bands of bondage would only of gotten tighter. Does this congress have the guts to stand up to the Communist dictator? There comes a time when there’s nothing else but God. We’re there. Repent to God and get on knees to ask his advise to get out of this mess. Suggestion: Read and believe John 3:16. You might not be able to save America but you can save yourselves for all of eternity.

    • http://none Charlie

      TC A,,,
      John 3:16 is not more important than Acts 2:38… Harmonize Scripture to arrive at “truth” or “Salvation”…. Meanwhile……………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation per 1 Peter 3:21…

      Charlie Freedom

      • The Christian American

        I agree many verse are just as important but John 3:16 is simple to read and to the point for people that are not knwledgeable in the bible. Since this election, regardless who won, it’s time to press the panic button about salvation.

    • D. Fields

      Be very careful about what you say there about ‘voting out of their pocketbooks’. The Republican party was given hundreds of millions of dollars by a very few very rich people while most of the Democratic party’s funds came from the ‘little guy’. A simple look at the campaign funds reports will show that absolutely huge donations came from robber barons like the Koch brothers. In fact, because of donators like them, the Republican Party spent almost 2:1 more than the Democratic Party during this election.

      • Jim C.

        D. Fields: So all those 100+ fundraisers Obama held were mostly composed of middle class working people? You could have fooled me – I assumed the donations came from Hollywood moguls, Wall Street “fat cats”, and the like. I guess billionaires Warren Buffett and Bill Gates (both Democrats) contributed little or nothing, since most of O’s donations came from the “little” people. He must have had a million or more contributors at each fundraiser, otherwise how could he have raised a BILLION dollars for his campaign? (It would take a million dollars from each of a million contributors to reach a billion.) But if you say so, it must be true!

      • D. Fields

        Those so-called “Wall Street Fat Cats” were funding Romney because they wanted those regulations Obama put on them removed again.

        You also have no idea of the fundraising efforts that his campaign were doing over the internet. Believe me, Obama had MILLIONS of donators, not just a rich few like Romney.

      • D. Fields

        Oh, and considering that only about $750 million dollars were spent during this election by both sides combined and Romney received at least $400 million from the Koch brothers and a couple others– well, $750Million minus $400Million does not equal $1Billion. Your math is as bad as Romney’s.

    • eddie47d

      You lose C.A. for Obama is not a communist dictator. Your slander will not win the next election either. For you:”some people try to serve God but only as advisers”.

      • Jim C.

        You’re right, Obama isn’t a Communist dictator – yet. Give him a little more time and he’ll get there. During the 2008 campaign, he implied that he may need 3 or 4 terms to accomplish everything he wants. Shortly after he was elected in 2008, one of his supporters in Congress introduced a bill repealing the two-term limit on the Presidency. Also during his first campaign, he promoted the idea of a Federal internal police force (to police U.S. citizens, i.e., a “police state”). Obama clearly has Marxist ambitions.

    • Jim C.

      The Bush “euphoria” wasn’t all that short-lived. The winning margin of his 2004 re-election was much greater than his winning margin in 2000.

  • Daniel from TN

    There are several reasons why obama was reelected.
    1. Republicans don’t know how to win. They constantly nominate their favorite candidate or whom they consider the best candidate, instead of a candidate who can win. This situation will continue until the TEA Party wins enough elections to take over the Republican Party, which probably will not occur until 2020 or 2024. It may happen by 2016, IF enough people finally wake up and realize the danger this country is in.
    2. Republicans appeal to voter logic. There were many valid reasons why obama should not have been reelected, but they were all ineffctive because voters today choose by emotion, not logic.
    3. Republicans tell the people what they need to hear. Democrats tell the people what they WANT to hear, even if Democrats have no intention of fulfilling campaign promises, which they haven’t fulfilled for decades.
    4. The number of people receiving government assistance now outnumbers the number of people who are working full time. Some of those receiving assistance do not WANT to go back to work, they want that free ride, and this attitude is perfectly understandable: Its not right; but it IS understandable.
    5. Mainstream media bias. The mainstream media, the public relations department for the Democrat Party, is absolutely in love with Liberalism. CBS News withheld an interview showing that obama knew the attack in Benghazi was a pre-planned terrorist attack less than three hours after the attack occured, but chose not to air the interview because it would make obama look bad and hurt his chances of reelection. CBS News should now be barred from ALL Republican press conferences and events to make the point that this type of biased journalism will not be tolerated.
    Also, during this election there were stories about voting machines in several states rigged to favor obama, but the MSM ignored/suppressed those stories. However, when just ONE voting machine was believed to be rigged to favor Romney the MSM was all over that story like ticks on a hound dog.
    6. Rigged voting machines. As long as there are electronic voting machines there will be rigged voting machines. If a machine can be rigged it WILL be rigged; and there is now evidence that some electronic voting machines have been rigged as far back as 1980. To insure true election results the United States MUST return to paper balloting for all public elections. Other countries have already done this for the reasons we are just starting to see in the US. These countries now report public trust in the election process has been restored.
    7. Loopholes in election laws. We now have a president who is not only NOT a natural born citizen, but is probably not a US citizen at all. Remember, obama lost his US citizenship when his mother moved the family to Indonesia so she could be with her new husband. US law allows someone who lost their citizenship under these circumstances to regain their US citizenship IF that person returns to the US by a certain age and satisfies other conditions (I won’t bore anyone with all the details in this post). This is NOT naturalization: US citizenship, including natural born status, assuming that person originally had it, is reinstated as if that person never lost citizenship in the first place. Where is the proof that obama ever applied to have US citizenship reinstated?

    • BigBadJohn

      “Republicans don’t know how to win”

      What fantasy world do you live in? from 1980 till the present republicans have held the white house 20 years versus 12 to date for the democrats.

      2. Republicans appeal to voter logic.

      Is that why Romney and Ryan kept saying things like Obama will be the end of America as we know it? That is clearly an EMOTIONAL attack not logic.

  • Sarah

    “About the best we can hope for is to delay some of the worst legislation and work and pray for more victories in 2014.” Do this and the Republicans are sure to see more losses in 2014 and the definitive demise of the party.

    • Smilee

      In other words remain the party of “NO” that is why you lost, the majority of voters do not want that so you proposal is a recipe for more loses in 14

      • DaveH

        Yeah, Sleepee, and the majority of test takers fall below the 60th percentile. Not exactly something I would aspire to.

        • pissed off and liberal

          ” Anyone who disagrees with me mis obviously less intellgent then me ” typical conservitive arrogance

  • rb

    1933-1939. Six years is all it took. Two more to go.

  • UWorlds1

    You lost because you think voters are stupid and they are moochers. You disrespected the voters. Not everyone watches Fox news. We are not dumbed down. We don’t go around calling the President satan or a Communist. We don’t think we are the only ones that believe in God. Most of the people on the site are delusional. You don’t live in reality. You live in far-rightville. You need to get out into the sunshine and see the real world.

  • Patriot-Research

    Obama did not win the election, he stole the election…period! We in Ohio have a lot of proof that the voting was fixed in Obama’s direction and that gave him the few extra votes he needed to win the election in Ohio and I am sure this took place all around the Country. These people are felons and belong in JAIL…!!! Civil War, I am sorry to say, is becoming are only answer to these very evil Communist…!!! That’s why the very first thing he did was send Old Hillary to the U.N. to finalize the Small Arms Treaty and remove the Guns from the American People…again this will start the needed Civil War II here in America, and I am sure I will be dead in the next 12 to 18 months from a DHS .308 boat tail sniper round, or one of the other 1.6 Billion rounds purchased by DHS. God help us all, Please!

    • Tim Williamson

      You’re neither a patriot nor a researcher. If you have read the Small Arms treaty, you would know that it very clearly does not attempt to get our guns, and also that it very clearly states that its ratification is contingent upon explicit protections for the second amendment.

      Secondly, to even suggest civil war is a sign of a delusional and anarchist mindset.

    • D. Fields

      “… Proof that Obama stole the election…” What proof? What do you know that nobody else knows? Exactly how did Obama “steal” the election?

      To be quite blunt, I don’t believe you.

      • Smilee

        P-R Ohio has a republican SOS who is in charge of the election in Ohio, are you saying that he helped the democrats win????????????

    • eddie47d

      P-R= Mental Masochist!

    • Karolyn

      Please get help before it’s too late!

    • pissed off and liberal

      On behalf of UNWorlds1 thank you for proving them right.

  • Richard T Stanley

    Listen to what some people are saying. It sounds like we will have no country soon if this bickering does not stop. I’m entitled to my opinion and personally I believe Obama is an out and out liar! After all he is a Muslim! And Muslims can lie to infidels, like we are, unless we are other muslims.
    This villification of people who made it has got to stop. Remember Rodney King’s plea: can’t we all just get along? What the hell happened to reason and hard work. There is just so much hatred for the Republican Party and I believe the real reason is because of the Patriot Act pushed by a Republician Administration was the start and mindset for the unravelling of freedoms.
    If things don’t change soon, I’ll just pick up and leave …. with all my money too!

    • D. Fields

      Don’t you mean “There’s so much hatred BY the Republican party”? We don’t see Democrats calling for “Civil War II”. We don’t see Democrats calling for “Revolution.”

      Please. At least point the Hatred finger where it belongs–to the Republican Extremists.

      • Jim C.

        Exactly what is a “Republican Extremist”? What are they “extreme” about? I see them as the farthest thing from extreme – in fact they are too lame in asserting Constitutional principles, though I think they mostly believe them.

      • D. Fields

        Who is it that keeps trying to change the Constitution to make it easier for themselves? Who is it that is trying to change the Constitution to re-enslave women and take away their rights even to their own bodies?
        Who is it that is now trying to use the Church itself to take over government, when our nation was founded on escape from Government Religion?

        I don’t have any problems with freedom OF religion, but that includes freedom FROM religion, too.

    • Karolyn

      And you know Obama is a muslim how? That is our biggest problem: people believing what they hear, which might very well be conjecture, prognostication or outright lies. Then the rumor gets going, nobody has proof of anything, but they are happy to spread it, especially if it is juicy and popular.

      • Jim C.

        I think Obama is an atheist and a Marxist. He’s not a practicing Muslim, though he;s much more sympathetic toward Islam than to Christianity (which I think he despises – to his mind, it’s the white man’s religion which has exploited and abused people of color for centuries).

        • pissed off and liberal

          First of all a man religion or lack of it should not matter in poliics secondly i know a marxist when i see one and obam is NO marxist hell way he governs i doubt he remembers who marx is.

      • DaveH
  • Brenda

    You are right. Do we give up what we believe in just to win. Becoming more like the Democrats is a sure way to keep loosing and that’s what the Democrats and Liberals want. The Establishment part of the Republician Party starts picking our candidate for us about a year and a half before the election. When you start hearing Republican Pundants start talking about this man or that person you know that is the person they are going to start pushing at us as a candidate. The Republican Party made many mistakes but taking on the values and opinions of the opposite side will not win us anything. The Republicans completely discounted Ron Paul supporters and did not call on Sarah Palin for any help. People like Ron Paul and Sarah Palin could have helped a great deal but they did not use them. I do not want to win because I agree to give out contraceptives to woman who want to sleep around and not pay the consequences, (sorry people, that’s what the free conceptives thing is all about), I do not want to support Abortion on demand or support a man who believes it’s A-OK to allow a baby to die if they survive an abortion. That same man will not think twice about allowing an elderly person to die. Folks we have to keep our values and our morality and becoming more and more like our opponents to win races will not give us anything but emptiness. The Establishment part of the Republican Party needs to step aside and shut up. This includes Karl Rove, Jeb Bush, and others. These people are not concerned about the American people and this country but only about keeping their power and influence.

  • William

    “The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.”

    The sad irony of it all is Romney would have probably been worse since nobody would know what to expect from him! When you have a 2 headed 1 party snake and a corrupt Congress and Senate on top of that, no matter how you look at it America as a whole LOST by not having a real choice……

  • BigBadJohn

    Simple question

    How can ANYONE believe that republicans are more fiscally conservative then democrats???

    Bush and the republicans increased spending by over 600 billion PER YEAR and at the same time cut taxes by 400 billion. That is one trillion dollar per year obligation which went straight into the debt column.

    Obama and the dems do not seem willing to change this but the republicans would not agree to them reversing the republican spending anyway!

    I contend we are and were screwed either way we went, which is why I voted for Gary Johnson.

  • Panhandle

    My suggeston is to work in your state to push for secessoin or to nullify federal laws and/or dictates. We evidently cannot beat the left at the ballot box when the differences are so striking between the left and the right. Lets use the contstitution to nullify and if that does not work states secede from the USA. Relying on political parties and the political status quo is over.

    • William

      EXACTLY!!! Use the Constitution before we lose it! This election is proof that without it we are all totally screwed!

      • D. Fields

        One question: Which party is it that keeps wanting to CHANGE our Constitution?

    • Poli Tecs

      Another great plan!

  • Lori

    Interesting that the democrats won in every state tthat does not have voter I.D. Why has there not been more talk about the cheating and fraud in these elections?

    • D. Fields

      There was. About every attempt to eliminate Democrats as legal voters. About every attempt to remove legal voters from the ballot rolls. My county was one of those that chose Romney–and they didn’t have voter ID laws in place, either.

      • Smilee

        They have all been blocked from taking effect except in Indiana until the courts rule on them and may not ever take effect, MN voted it down with good reason.

  • rendarsmith

    Romney was a poor choice to begin with. They should have picked Ron Paul, but they chose to ignore him completely. Romney did not inspire anyone, the few who supported him only did so because they wanted to get rid of Obama. I haven’t met anyone who was truly pro-Romney, they were all anti-Obama and saw Romney as the only way to accomplish that. That wasn’t enough to inspire everyone to vote. I know plenty who are sick of all politicians and saw Romney as no different from Obama and chose not to waste their time voting at all. Ron Paul inspired many and his followers truly loved him, myself included. But he was ignored and dismissed as a loon by the “conservative” media and the GOP. Now they are paying the price. I hope this will be the end of the GOP as we know it and get a truly conservative political organization again. But it may already be too late.

    • millie

      I did not know about Ron Paul, until it was too late. And from what I have seen of him, he is a true good man. I too voted for Romney because I did not want obama and Romney was the best choice at the moment. I believe that voter fraud was committed, half the nation or more wanted Romney to win. This is going to be the longest 4 years to come and I pray that this incompetent, muslim will not destroy our country.

      • Gillysrooms from Australia

        It might might be an incompetent Congressman John Boehner who will destroy America I fear, not Obama.

  • George E


    I’m with you. I think this was our last best chance to fix the economy. I’m sure now that the economy is going back into recession and we’re going over the “financial cliff”. My only consolation is that we’re all in the boat together, and everyone who voted for Obama, or didn’t vote, will go over the cliff with us. We’re all going to suffer together. Thank you, National Democratic “Socialist” Party, it’s financiers, and supporters who think (unrealistically) they’re going to get something for free or transform our society into nirvana. Reality is about to “come knocking.” After this term, assuming Obama can stay in office the whole 4 years, Democrats won’t be able to buy another election unless they can continue to convince people our problems are caused by George Bush or some other Republican. If people buy that, they deserve what they get. “Hello Cuba, Venezuela. Here we come.”

  • Poli Tecs

    I know the answer! [hand raised]

    Its SIMPLE! Follow me here, this is going to be hard to follow…


    We NEED a complete economic meltdown including the Government shutting down and gov. employees ferlowed! And we need this on Democrat watch within the next 2 years.

    Most importantly, we need the Republican’s to step out of their way and let them hang themselves! We can do this with our own version of internal chaos. Distractions like “getting rid of the house speaker”. Infighting between establishment and stanch Conservatives.

    Ultimately, we need a 2nd great depression so ALL can see that Government cannot protect them.

    • D. Fields

      And if that backfires, what then?

    • Paul Wells

      You ARE aware, Poli Tecs, that when this event you speak of happens…there will be rioting in the streets. People will smash glass windows on supermarkets and just come and take what they want. And if you, or your family happen to be in the way, you just might be collateral damage. There will be shortages, and no police will be able to stop the mayhem. We will return to the primordial ooze, might makes right, complete anarchy. It won’t be pretty.

  • Louis Lemieux

    Romney started losing when his speech on the 47% went public. Republicans sank their own ship saying all those awful things over the years about Jimmy Carter. Romney came back with the first debate but his wife didn’t help him any right after when she said: “my husband never fails.“ Who wants a First Lady with so much hubris and arrogance! Not too many.

    • Flashy

      Louis…wait until the inner staff write their books. I’d wager a few shekels Ann won’t be coming across described as a nice person.

  • millie

    First I just want to say this is a sad time for America, for now we have lost our country to a totalitarian dictator. obama won by voters fraud as he won the first time, where even the dead came out to vote. Half of the nation voted for Mitt and the other half voted for obama, and many of these people that voted for obama, feel that the government owes them free stuff and combine with voter fraud equals ObamaNation.

    The next 4 years will be worst, their will be more uncertainties, under obama policies their will be more job losses, higher taxes for everyone and higher inflation along with higher gas prices and the economy in danger of crashing. His policies are a strangle hold on jobs creations from the private sector, and the results will be fewer jobs to none. More people will be dependent on the government to take care of them. The middle class will become poor and his socialist healthcare will kill jobs and people will die waiting for the government to decide of their fate.

    obama and his ilks are and will be richer, and obama’s wants wealth for his children and poverty for our children. obama is not a Christian and he will make war with the bible believing Christians, such as same marriages and killing of unborn are abomination to God, obama is of muslim faith and socialism – communist views. He will do his best to transform America into another 3rd world nation with his radical views. Many people voted for this knowing or unknowingly, and by the time they wake up it will be too late.

    Now comes the best part, in the coming presidential election of 2016, obama will want to leave, he is capable of changing the laws of terms just like NY mayor Bloomberg did. obama will fight to stay perhaps until 2020, and to get this dictator out of office will be a bitch and because he will not want to leave, just wait and see.

    Obama is in bed with the muslim brotherhood and he will shred the Constitution and replace it with the shaira law. Obama will put in place muslims in government jobs, his own advisor is Iranian born muslim sympathizer, and perhaps instead of the American Flag flying over the White House it could be replace with muslim flag. Their has been more leaks of classify top secrets leaked out from this administration then any other, that is treason. Where is congress to up hold the Constitution, congress is useless and a big waste of taxpayer money for their high salaries.

    The goal of the muslims is to rule the world and with one in the White House it is creeping on us and many of useful idiots voted for this. May God have Mercy on us.

    • eddie47d

      Another Mental Masochist with fraudulent comments speaks!

    • Karolyn

      WOW! Gee, Millie, your crystal ball is really working overtime! Wish I could predict the future!

      • DaveH

        Maybe you can make a deal to share your Magic Mirror with her, Karolyn?

    • Smilee

      Change your handle to Henny Penny it would better describe you!!!!!

    • Gillysrooms from Australia

      The Mormon connection did not help the Republicans and the ‘our God is better than the other God mentality did not help either.

      • J Man

        I know people who voted for Barack Obama in 2008 because he would be the 1st black President. So, I decided to vote for Mitt Romney so he would be the 1st Mormon President. Multi culturalism at work you know. LOL

  • Dale Hogue

    There is not a thing I can say or write that hasn’t been said or written better on this page, so I will not add my comments to those that are presented here. Except this: Obama and minions are going to clobber us during the next two years and there isn’t a thing we can do about it until the next election in 2014 or 2016. (Where did I read that?) It seems that I’ve heard those words before — its from an old familiar score — I know it well, that melody. Damn, they’re playing it again.

  • Rob

    I will not blame Romney for not being willing to stand up but perhaps Jeb Busch would have been a better choice with his positive relations with the latino community. Even Santorum had a batter plan but we chose Mitt and he failed to get the youth or the latin people behind him maybe next time we should just choose a dead candidate it would be easier and less costly to do so

    • Patriot

      Seriously Rob, F—- Jeb Bush, we have tried the pandering to the middle, we had 2 candidates from the moderate camp the last 2 cycles, it does not work. What resonates with the America people is free markets, economic prosperity, smaller government, liberty and our past traditional principles. The time has come to reverse course with these mush-head republicans, has anybody thought, that just maybe the insider establishment republicans wanted this to happen? It started at the convention when they changed the rules so that the conservatives would be silenced and ran thru the entire campaign, look at all the conservatives the NRP did not support and you will find where is the problem lies. They all have to go, lets’ start with the Bonehead Speaker Boehner. I am so sick of his stupidity, please someone challenge this complete moron!

      • John Lilleburns Ghost

        Yeah you’ve nailed it more right wing extremism that will work. LOL Does your nurse know you’ve escaped again?

  • Patriot

    Lets’ send them over the Cliff faster: Strave the Beast!

    America choose Obama and now will have to live with their decision. What you and others like you need to start doing is making sure they get what they asked for. If you have not read Atlas Shrugged (not the movie) I suggest you do. Read it not once, not twice, but many times until you understand completely what she is saying. The time has come and she was correct. We conservatives now need to start putting the message out there. Convince business owners to close down. Not sell out but actually shut their doors. Give them the poor souls what they want. Make them take care of the people without the producers.

    Convince people not to buy from liberal businesses like Walmart or GM. If jobs go overseas let them. Don’t complain. Just keep putting the message out there that we need not to beat them at their game but to destroy them once and for all. Once we stop the Ann Coulter type sniveling. Allow them to do as they please but do it without us. We will not provide them with that they want or need. Without the producers the looters and moochers cannot survive. Mark Levin Is getting it. If you heard his show on Wednesday he started. He is now on board and understanding how it needs to go. We need all conservative hosts and Rush to understand. Let them do what they want. Don’t fight it. Within a year this country will be so ugly and worthless. Let it happen. Only when you fight them do they win. They have no military to support them. Only police and those will fade fast once it starts. Without producers to beat up on they have nothing. Your job is to start getting people to think about it and see what they need to do. Tax the wealthy? Of course. Once the wealthy producers see it they will leave their businesses. Can liberals produce? We know who they produce. Do you think people will stand for very long with they are starving?

    The dollar is worthless. We also only deal with those we trust and who share my ideals. A very small group for sure. But it can grow. Once people understand what they are doing then we will start to heal this nation. I give nothing to charity. Nothing to homeless people.. Nothing to Moochers. It sounds cruel. But it is the way. As long as you support Moochers they will always be there, kind of like a stray dog or cat. They want to eat? Let them grow their own food. They need a house. Let them build it. I am after the business owners, the truck drivers, the food producers. Stop what you are doing. Can they move food? Can they build houses that will last? Let them try. Without the brains they will fail. Look to GM. Their people in charge. It is failing once again. It needs a bailout to survive. Do not help them succeed. They used to make the whole car. Do you think the ones who voted for them will buy enough GM Volt cars for it to survive? You need to think long and hard of your actions. Help them or allow them what they asked for? Give it to them. They want freebies? Let them. But, do not provide them the ability to make it so. If we can make the collapse happen faster, just maybe people will understand what we already know which will be a year or 2 of misery rather than 25 to 50 years of pain, feeling helpless. Drastic times demand Drastic measures.

    • D. Fields

      I gather you didn’t read the book either. Otherwise you would have seen how abysmally your suggestions failed.

    • The Christian American

      I read what you wrote but think your forgetting someone and that’s God. The prophecies about the end times are right on schedule, not because God wants but people do, America was the only country founded on Christian principles and was proud to announce it to a point where it has “In God we trust” on it’s coin. God / Christ hate hypocrits. Better America if it took off that legend and announce it’s seperation from God than try and use God. The prophecies elude to God speeding up Christ’s reappearance rather than wait until eveything is destroyed. In that regard, America’s war with Iran could / will trigger Armaggedon and the 2nd coming. Already Obama and his ilk are moving to that occurance. I’m not a betting man but I’ll bet you America won’t last through 2013 without the 2nd coming happening.

      • Linda From NYC

        well said, I too read the Bible and I am seeing these prophesies comming to light. Have you read in the Book of Daniel chap. 7:25, to myself, it sound as if it were speaking of Obama. when you get the chance check it out it interesting.

      • Karolyn

        If you were a betting man, I would certainly take that bet!

  • Louis Lemieux

    Why so much pessimism!!! Both Obama and Romney love America. To come up and say that Obama is a totalitarian dictator because he won and Romney would have been a savior had he won is just plane stupidity!!!

    • millie

      To: Louis Lemieus,

      Why don’t get your head out of your ass and wake up stupid!!! Obama is a totalitarian dictator. He won by bribing and fraud. And if you done your research on obama’s history you would know that he was raise with communism views. And his mentors are such as -Karl Marx and Frederick Engels- called themselves “socialists.

      And he was a member of a radical church of God Dam America by the Rev. Jeremiah Write for 20 years. This information is out their, before you open your mouth at least learn the facts and as I said get your head out of your ass!!

      “obama’s father, Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was a radical muslim from Kenya, was married to Ann Dunham obama’s mother a white atheist and a few years later they divorce and she met Lolo Soetoro and another muslim from Indonesia, and they were married. My point is that he was raised with socialism views and this is normal for him.

      it is ilks like you that voted for this commie and we may not have a country in 4 years, obama said that he was going to fundamently transform America. Wake UP Stupid!!!

      • Karolyn

        Do you believe everything you read or hear, Millie? I imagine as long as it is what you want to hear, you do.

      • Smilee

        Millie, A whole post of nothing but malarkey that only serves to show hatred and stupidity!!

      • DaveH

        More nonsensical comments from the Liberal Progressive peanut gallery.

  • DaveH

    Let’s face it. The Republicans just didn’t care enough about winning to ignore the wishes of their Crony Capitalist Empire Builders. They shoved the only candidate, who could expose Obama’s ignorance and appeal to the average citizens of America, under the bus. I’m speaking of Ron Paul of course. It’s almost like the Republicans wanted to lose. Why else would they put up a candidate who couldn’t even beat John McCain in the 2008 primaries when John McCain couldn’t even beat an upstart Obama. And they expected Romney (ObamaLite) to beat a sitting President? Get real. It’s time to relegate the NeoCon Progressive Party to the dust bin of History, and start voting for the only Political Party who really understand the concept of Freedom and Capitalism.
    For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and the PEACE that comes with NOT trying to shove everybody into a one-size-fits-all paradigm:

    • Jim C.

      I’m puzzled by the vitriolic contempt for those you call “neocons”. What exactly is so bad about them (whoever they are), and what do you think they believe. Also, what’s the difference between a neocon and a conservative. Was Barry Goldwater a “neocon”?

    • Jim C.

      Dave H: Do you consider the American founders to be “neocons”, and the U.S. Constitution to be a “neocon” proclamation? If so, would Thomas Jefferson be a “neocon”? If the U.S. Constitution is not a “neocon” document, how does it differ?

      • DaveH

        Thomas Jefferson was a “classical liberal”, Jim, which is basically a forerunner of the Libertarian Philosophy. In those days, Jefferson would have been classed a Liberal.
        NeoConservative Progressives have hijacked the Conservative label much like the Liberal Progressives have hijacked the Liberal label.

  • Diane Jones

    I am not surprised in the least that Romney lost. I kept writing into the Rep. comm. get him to the real people, not the rich ones, watch all rep. mouths, 47%, Rape, come on.
    I did not hear the entire comm. cademn those senators who said women can protect themselves who are involved with RAPE. Rape is RAPE no matter who does it to whom.
    whomever gave Romney the 47% should be put out to pasture…that included seniors on social security and medicare that they paid into all their working lives. that included those who lost their jobs but paid unemployment taxes all their lives. Where was he during Sandy???? the comm. wanted a photo op with our governor?????????????
    there was no reason he could not have come into NJ rolled up his sleeves and worked side by side with the volunteers for food and clothing etc…..he wouldn’t have gotten dirty even. tired. not dirty. That photo op would have won his approval.
    If he had asked Obama if he could have joined bipartisan and come together Wow what a story that would have been………maybe Congress would have paid attention to that.
    The Rep. party has to change their OLD BOY SCHOOL way of thinking. Get our former governor Whitman into acting there. Christie did his best. Get Keane into it.
    Many voters voted against Obama not for the Romney ticket.

    • Dennis Patrick

      Diane – I lived in New Jersey when Gov. Whitman was there. I agree with your comments about her. I’m not sure how strong her conservative credentials are on social issues but she is very fiscally conservative.

      • Janice

        Dennis I lived in Jersy during Whitmans administration . One of her first acts was to raid the Teachers pension surplus fund & suspend payments to all state pension funds. Subsequent governors, both Repubs/Dems continued this practice. No way the state can reverse this short fall even though Chris Christie got union concession to increase pension contributions, healthcare premium. Whitman set in motion our unfunded pension liabilities. Whitman enacted 19 small back door user taxes & began auctioning off the naming rights to state funded venue facilities. All this to fulfill her tax cut promises. State tax payers were left on the hook, nickeled & dimed into paying for her tax cuts. Overall she played a shell game with folks who flocked to vote for our first female governor. Many were glad when she left. Chris Chritie we like…tough, fair & looking out for NJ
        Even he can’t fix the downward spiral Whitman ushered in.

  • Karen Shepard

    Chip, I hate to inform you of this, but we may NEVER have another election. Obama has already achieved dictatorship status and I expect he will solidify his position during this term. Great calamities are about to come upon this country as a result. May God help us all.

    • D. Fields

      Can you show your reasoning–your proofs–about, “Obama has ‘secured’ his ‘dictatorship’ status”? Question: did he go in with guns blazing saying, “You’re all my SLAVES, now! You’ll do what I say and nothing else!”? Or did he go in humbly and say, “Thank you for choosing me as your President for four more years”?

      • VBN

        Even the old USSR held elections and had a constitution. I would not go so far as to call them proofs, but if you want to see the evidence, see the post from VBN above.

  • Dennis Patrick

    Chipper asks: “How can the next Republican candidate for President overcome such a well-financed, brilliantly planned, expertly produced smear campaign?”

    Answer: Stop running garbage candidates – lock out the fakers like McCain and Romney; exclude the nuts like Trump, Santorum and Gingrich. And Ryan and Palin are just plain insipid.

    Honesty, beating an incumbent is hard but I can easily see Rubio or Christie walking to victory in 4 years. What about Rand Paul? I think the Republicans have an excellent true conservative bench for next time. Heck, had George Allen not wasted his time trying for the senate again, he could have been a viable candidate in 2016 too.

  • ashchem

    First, I would not call Obama’s re-election a big victory. If billion dollars campaign sponsored by indefinite sources, which used racism and hatred of success as a main campaign strategy, years of brainwashing American youth by politically-correct education system and mainstream media, 70% of military men who didn’t get their chance to vote and almost certain voter fraud gave only 2% of popular vote against the worst possible candidate republicans could possibly find, it cannot be considered as an impressive victory.
    There are two reasons why Romney lost. First, liberal atheists finally found their Jesus. It’s perfectly fine, because no religion is ever complete without the Messiah, but could be problematic for Obama. Messiahs must deliver miracles, and other than lynching white Christian men, which would be difficult to do, what else he is capable of delivering?
    The second and the main reason why Romney lost is that he failed to convince independently thinking Americans that he is different and he really has working solutions for America’s problems. As a results, too many made their voting decision based on one young woman’s criteria: “ when you have to choose between two a**h*les you choose the prettier ass” which basically means that voting was based on purely aesthetic preferences.
    Too bad for America of today, but it leaves hope for the America in the future. But, only if conservatives will finally learn their lesson.

  • Insensitive

    Dearest Kantgetit1 and Flushy-
    In the words of Ronald Reagan- “liberals are not so ignorant, they just know so much that isn’t so”. Clearly true with you both.
    There is nothing “radical” about adhering to the constitution. We already have a democrat party and they hand out candy better than repubs. We don’t need another democrat party- Repubs need to get back to the constitution. With a leftist media, and imbeciles like Kinetic and Flushy to be the useful fools of O and his ilk, we may never win national election again. (You know- 51% collecting goodies, in the cart not pulling the cart, etc)
    It will sadly not be vindication when our country (what’s left of it) is crumbling from the fiscal cliff. There will be no pleasure in saying -told you so.
    Apparently, since the same idiots that like their free stuff haven’t heard of Benghazi, neither have they heard of Greece or Spain.

  • Ron r

    It,salways the mainstream media’s fault when conservatives loose. Poor Romney / Ryan if only those takers (veterans,elderly, and minorities ) would take care of themselves our country would be fine. Everyone knows one loves America as much as conservatives. Right Chip????

  • mitch

    I have read very many articles on why Mitt lost, and very few of them, including this one, tell the real story. It was, very simply, Ron Paul. It was because Ron Paul was fraudulently pushed out of receiving the nomination, PERIOD. The GOP was never in this to win, or, at least not the way a person would think of winning. The GOP wanted Their Controllable man, failing that, another term by Obama. The GOP would rather have more Obama than a Paul Presidency. The GOP wanted the status quo at whatever cost.
    THAT is why the shoved the Manufactured Mittster down our collective throats, which completely ALIENATED a great amount of people who would have otherwise voted for the GOP. The Paulians saw Mitt for just what he is; A Flipper who will say ANYTHING, not a true conservative, a shill for Wall Street,and just an overall fraud, a War-Monger, an Israel Firster, and they refused to vote for this ILLEGITIMATE nominee.
    If Paul had won the Nomination, as he was set to do from IOWA forward, and the GOP not committed Election Fraud against him, Paul would now be POTUS. Paul would have taken at least 15% of the DEM vote, would have took 99% of the GOP vote, and would also have took 80% of the Independent. All of the Polls said so, but the GOP chose to ignore this.
    So, the blame for this loss lies squarely on the shoulders of the party leadership, and their Hubris in trying to tell people like me who I should be voting for, instead of letting the process work in an honest way, and letting the PEOPLE (who are the Party) decide who their nominee should be. Too bad the ‘Leaders’ don’t want to recognize this HUGE mistake.

  • Lawrence

    Now that the marxists of both parties are in complete control, what makes you think you will be allowed to write or say anything?

  • JON

    The way everyone is going on and arguing back and forth on this forum, it’s no wonder everything is static [not moving] in America. Without compromise or giving in a bit, NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE!


  • DrRGP

    I’m beginning to think that we lost because we have become inveterate losers, incapable of winning, even when dealt a virtually unbeatable hand. What kind of political party can’t get its so-called members (Republicans) to go to the polls and vote, even in the face of four years of Obama-wrought failures and crises? As the sagacious Pogo once said, “We have meant the enemy, and he is us.”

  • Lee

    Ok.. So what will it take to win.. That was part of the article title, but there is nothing in the article that addresses the topic.. Please advise. I am sure that the RNC is all ears at this point in time..

    • box-bb-car

      Actually Lee, they are as deaf as ever.

  • Rafael

    Chip Wood- Why doesn’t somebody with Republican, Libertarian or other capitalistic ideas invest in an open/free TV channel, to level the information given by the socialist media (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, UNIVISION). People in the US are not different from, what you people called “third world countries”, electing a President, which promise the same things for “free” that President Chavez in Venezuela, Morales in Bolivia, Kirchner in Argentina and most of the Presidents in European countries have said and promised, with devastating results.

  • Stephen Scrivens

    Anyone who has been in sales knows that in order to close the deal, you have to hit emotional hot buttons. Logical arguments only help build credibility and educate. Emotions move to action! If you look at the Obama campaign, it offered not logical arguments only emotional triggers to create fear and distrust in republican candidates. If we are ever going to recover, we must learn to deal with issues emotionally not logically. That is why we lost the women’s vote. Men tend to deal from a logical basis, while women are more relational and emotional. I believe that the next campaign will need to change it’s frame work and hit people emotionally. In the next 2 years, we need to sell “Republicanism” emotionally and communicate our vision of achievement and success for all Americans. Help them dream again; not for just a job but happiness and a sense of well being that only comes from being free to pursue what you want for themselves and their families.

    • Smilee

      Stephen Scrivens

      Obama campaign created fear and distrust in republican candidates, Pure BS, they created it themselves as there is valid reasons to fear and distrust them. Romney had about three positions on every thing and Ryan his budget in writing which many feared with good reason. For the next election you are probably right you do have to sell it emotionally to win as you cannot tell them the truth and win.. This is not toothpaste you are selling, but it does not seem you can tell the difference,

  • William

    The only way WE THE PEOPLE can win is by taking back OUR country! It doesnt take rocket science to figure out that the people who WE voted in are supposed to be working for US NOT US working for them! By letting them get out of control, we now face the problem of reeling them back in! It boils down to this IF they cant do the job the way WE THE PEOPLE want them to do it then they have to be replaced with those that will! Until that happens WE will continue to go down the rabbit hole! Thats what it boils down to in the nutshell!


    The major problem Republicans had was their belief in their own propaganda. All the polls were pointing clearly to an Obama major victory yet FOX “news” and the GOP felt and said otherwise. On election night they were shocked to see the reality. Another problem was the parade of clowns presented during the nomination process. Romney may have looked good but he was merely the best of a very comical group. Social issues were crucial too. For a party supposedly against government sticking their noses into our business your abortion position was exactly the government sticking its nose into our business – literally! Paul Ryan’s budget was a total disaster – did you notice how Ryan and Mitt stopped talking about it altogether? Is it any wonder? Flip flopping on every issue didn’t help either. Folks like consistency. Not knowing what the heck Mitt would say next did not give the folks confidence that he could be trusted with anything more than a lemonade stand. His 47% statement was plain nasty. And exactly because those comments were made behind closed doors they were coming directly from his heart. And saying he would cancel student loans and that poor kids could get their tuition money from their equally poor parents illustrated how out of touch he was with ordinary Americans. I could go on and on but basically Mitt and the GOP race was a train wreck. And here’s a warning: proclaiming that your main modus operendi is to oppose ANYTHING the smart black guy wanted to do does not go over well with fair minded citizens. Making it exceedingly hard to vote was another Republican blunder that will not bode well when certain governors come up for re-election. If the GOP continues to be obstructionist for no good reason they can look forward to even worse election results at the mid term.

  • JeffH

    There’s several major reasons that Obama was re-elected and I’ll try to keep it short and sweet.

    1. screw the GOP, the DNC and the two party system…both parties consistantly commit crimes against our the American people and the Supreme rule of law…The Constitution.

    2. Obama’s ground game has been well established. Read Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, the framework for Obama’s campaign strategy through community organizing. Obama, a hybrid Marxist communist, adheres to the ideals of Marx, Engals, Gramsci and Alinsky. It was Alinsky who taught that “True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.”

    “The Revolutionary force today has two targets, moral as well as material. Its young protagonists are one moment reminiscent of the idealistic early Christians, yet they also urge violence and cry, ‘Burn the system down!’ They have no illusions about the system, but plenty of illusions about the way to change our world.” Prologue – Rules for Radicals

    Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci’s transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.

    Pay close attention to the next 2 paragraphs.

    Like Alinsky, Mikhail Gorbachev followed Gramsci, not Lenin. In fact, Gramsci aroused Stalins’s wrath by suggesting that Lenin’s revolutionary plan wouldn’t work in the West. Instead the primary assault would be on Biblical absolutes and Christian values, which must be crushed as a social force before the new face of Communism could rise and flourish. Malachi Martin gave us a progress report:

    “By 1985, the influence of traditional Christian philosophy in the West was weak and negligible…. Gramsci’s master strategy was now feasible. Humanly speaking, it was no longer too tall an order to strip large majorities of men and women in the West of those last vestiges that remained to them of Christianity’s transcendent God.”

    3. Progressive propaganda, indoctrination through education and revised history all have corraled and corrupted the minds of generations. See #2

    4. An immoral society has been spawned by #3 including the constant assault on religious freedom by the anti-religious.

    5. Through propaganda and indoctrination the people who depend on government, the takers, have now become the majority in this country with little regard for personal responsibility and morality. A sense of patriotism is no longer revered by the majority.

    6. The Constitution guarantees to every state a Republican form of government (Art. 4, Sec. 4).

    We are no longer a Republic, we have become a democracy

    Anybody remember “The Pledge of Allgiance”?

    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,
    and to the Republic for which it stands,
    one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

    A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one.

    In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a republic the group only has advisory powers; the sovereign individual is free to reject the majority group-think. USA/exception: if 100% of a jury convicts, then the individual loses sovereignty and is subject to group-think as in a democracy

    In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group. In a pure democracy, 51% beats 49%. In other words, the minority has no rights. The minority only has those privileges granted by the dictatorship of the majority

    For all of you who are happy winners I trust will deny much of what I just posted. That’s OK, I understand your dilemma.

    For all of you who are upset that you lost. That’s OK too, I understand your dilemma also.

    For the rest that realize we’ve lost our Republic, the Constitution, the rule of law and a moral and just society to an immoral pack of wolves in sheep’s clothing…I stand with you, beside you and in support of you and never against you. I love my country but I despise my government.

    “Don’t Tread on Me”

    • William

      Spot on JeffH !!! The Pledge of Allegence and the reference to the Republic for which it stands says it all ! The founding fathers left us with a Republic but they made it clear only if WE can hold and sustain it ! It seems that many Americans forgot what that line really means or just plain out never understood it to begin with ! The Constution IS the law of OUR land and the sooner the population will observe and understand it the better off we will ALL be !

    • dark angel

      Amen Jeff!

    • Smilee


      • JeffH

        GARBAGE? The words of an intellectual moron.

        Dummy #2…this ones especially for you.

        Nothing in the world is more dangerous than (your)sincere ignorance and (your)conscientious stupidity.
        Martin Luther King, Jr.

      • Smilee


      • JeffH

        No, not particularly Sleepee…but it appears the intellectual moron has an affinity for “GARBAGE”.


  • Camelia

    Some pundits may say if Romney’s campaign did this or that or had
    chosen a different strategy all together, the election result would have been different.
    The path to liberty is through the will of it’s people.
    Regardless of what the challenger did or even who the challenger was, we are a divided nation, 54% zombie nation majority of whom would vote for Obama over and over and over again, for life if they could.
    So we either deport the zombie nation to say Cuba or China, or watch
    the transformation of America into a socialist State. The choice is
    very clear!

    • Smilee

      Only four presidents in the last century have won two terms with over 50% of the vote in both of their elections and they were. Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Reagan and Obama. Obama’s up there in the big leagues. That got to hurt most on this site as it enforces their minority status.

  • Barbara

    I don’t care about the GOP anymore. I am done with them & I’m getting out. I will be re-registering under a 3rd party now! I bet they loose other voters too. Thier best of the best is nothing, and cannot win.

  • DavidL

    Your explanation as to “why we lost” and your prescription for “what it will take to win” clearly demonstrates that you haven’t got the slightest idea why “YOU” lost and what to do to turn it around. You keep recycling the Republican campaign ideas that have resoundingly been rejected by the American people. You are still living in the alternate reality universe created by Fox and friends. Reality is not something you can make up. It is what it is, and we must all try to recognize, to accept and to attempt to function in it. . If not, our lives will continue to be as delusional as yours is right now. Your “Fox” prepared fact base is WRONG as is many of your strongly held political understandings and convictions. Real fiscal conservatism coupled with intelligent (moderate) liberal social policy will win in he future. The sooner the conservative Republicans recognize this reality, and evolve, the better it will be for our country.

    • DrRGP

      Actually, social reality is constructed, not given, as is physical reality (which, even here, is, within limits, still open to social interpretation). I refer to you to The Social Construction of Reality by Peter L. Berger and Thomas Luckmann (1966).

      • D. Fields

        This isn’t 1966. We’ve passed far beyond the opinions stated in that text.

    • DrRGP

      Hardly, Mr. David L. The Social Construction of Reality isn’t a “text” subject to pro forma or annual updating. It is a treatise, and, despite flaws (some of them serious) amply discussed in the critical literature, it remains a “classic” (meaning continuing relevance, etc.) in the sociology of knowledge. Your reference to different realities suggests some at least preliminary grasp of this complex subject. Please see the book or at least read about it in secondary sources, and this will enrich your understanding of modern-day “knowledge claims” and consequent political realities.

  • Ethan

    “Hail to Caesar Obamnus-!” Very soon we will be required to regard him thus. I truly doubt America will have another Presidential Election. We are up to our necks in Tyranny-! I personally think it’s far past time for you to spit out your drinks and snuff out your joints and search to see if there is any fire left in your “collective” bellies. After “Caesar” collapses the economy and then collects your firearms…he will then stop you from posting your inane comments on sites like this one

    • D. Fields

      And yours?

      I seem to recall someone accidentally saying over an open microphone in the 2000 election, “Something needs to be done about this Freedom of Speech thing.” It wasn’t Al Gore.

    • eddie47d

      Keep proclaiming the bad Ethan as so many do. I reckon if you dwell on hell you will get what you ask for! Have you ever heard of any articles on this site that says anything positive about the economy and then compare the good with the bad. Almost never! The housing market has stabalized and in most places are back to pre crash days. Will anyone mention that? The Trade Deficit is enormous from the previous administration and still at $560 billion dollars yet it is now down by $41.5 billion and the best since 2010. Why isn’t that a topic? Exports are up 3.1% but you would never know it by listening to everyone around here. That includes commercial aircraft,heavy machinery (mostly Caterpillar) and farm goods. Soybeans exports alone are up 32%. Exports to Latin American are up 4.2%.

      • Karolyn

        I reported a few weeks ago, eddie, that my friend’s husband wea laid off from Freightliner in NC – not because of lack of work, but because they need to lengthen the line due to so many new orders! Also, the housing market around here is doing really well. I know a realtor who has sold several houses only in the last couple of weeks and has been showing a lot. Also, in Charlotte it was reported that there is a shortage of contractors for the new housing boom. I never get any responses to the good news. That upsets the applecart for them.

  • Rainbow

    Hey! eddi47 I see you didn’t,and haven’t payed attention to anything. Your president not mine.He said he was a christain,and was against same sex couples,despart for votes,and now he’s for same sex couples. He stood up in church and mocked the bible,and imbraced the korean. The bible was trashed if you will but I seen the korean being handle with white gloves. You far left libs made your president look like he was God,and King,and he can do no wrong..Your Idea of the so called “green” jobs your presidents big donor’s went out of buisness. You far left Libs trashed to women called them the most vile ,and nasty names,but those who are democrates were made out to perfect. Queens if you will. Your president didn’t build anything,because he was to busy tarying them down.If you have a job you better be thankfull you have on,because you could wake up,and find out you won’t have one. because your boss wasn’t able to afford your president heath care mandate. Your president isn’t God he never was nor will he ever be. He just a smooth talker on a spending spree.

    • eddie47d

      Those are your rambling words Rainbow not mine and you come across like a dark cloud spreading disinformation. Hardly a Rainbow! He certainly knows the Koran and the Bible and it is his choice to believe in what he wants. You know religious freedom if you really cared. He didn’t say he was against same sex couples but against same sex marriage. Maybe he will change his mind on that but he does embrace civil unions at this time. Obama has never been my King or Savior or Messiah for I leave that up to Jesus Christ thank you. Your adulterated swill has been peddled by the right for political purposes and contains no truth. You are nothing more than a sleazy charlatan with possessed thoughts! Green jobs are here to stay and needed. Some win and some fail like in any business. Our nation needs a variety of energy means and Obama is putting us on the right track along with more oil drilling and natural gas wells. I think

      • eddie47d

        …..your mind has exploded in that hype about Obama trash talking woman. That is really a stretch of your immagination. Healthcare has been advocated by Republicans and Democrats alike over the years including the Heritage Club. Now exactly what are YOU doing to help with the rising hospital costs and the pricing of pharmaceuticals? Instead of you trash talking yourself why don’t you provide a few legitimate answers!

    • Karolyn

      Nobody ever said Obama was God. I never saw the bible trashed, and I haven’t seen the “korean” (Koran) handled with white gloves. And what about Limbaugh calling a woman a slut? When did any democrats use bad language about women? If your spelling and grammar was a little better, I might be able to understand more and, thus, respond more.

  • SJJolly

    “… Harry Reid and the Democrats controlling the Senate.” Not so. Per the (idiotic) gentleman’s club rules in operation, any Senator chosing to register an intent to filabuster a piece of legislation blocks it — unless the Senate can muster 60 votes to over-ride. Since neither Dems or Reps have 60 or more votes, and both parties refuse to cooperate with each other, NO ONE controls the Senate. The only way more than a trickle of government business gets done is that the Executive branch (i.e., President Obama) has been bypassing the Congress.








  • Larry Sparks

    There are approximately 12 million illegal immigrants, how many voted? Illegal immigants that voted illegally may have swung the election for Obama. The 47% of the people that do not pay taxes voted for Obama as well as all union members. This country is on the verge of economic collapse and at least 51% of the people do not care. America’s freedom is lost to degenerate generation that does not care or love this country.

    • eddie47d

      The unapologetic liars are out in full force today. Larry Sparks brings out the knife hidden in the cake and cuts us all a piece of his bull. I bet almost NO illegals voted. That wasn’t true in the last election and probably wasn’t true in this election. Now Larry thinks union members shouldn’t be allowed to vote! What’s next outlaing midgets from voting? I think you are the one who doesn’t care with your ca ca bull! Oh yes most of those in the 47% DO pay taxes whether through Social Security,by serving in the military,paying into Medicare or maybe having dependents they can deduct. Are you going to insult the mothers of America too or are you the degenerate!!

  • marcjeric32

    Another RINO bites the dust. Mitt Romney never mentioned President Obama’s friends and mentors – the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Frank Marshall Davis, his Marxist father, his Muslim faith, his bringing to power the jihadist governments in Tunisia, Libya and Egypt (with more to come in Yemen, Jordan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, “Palestine”…); his “social justice” program of confiscation of private wealth and properties, his plan for gigantic nationalizations of private enterprises in oil $ gas, coal, electricity, transportation, health care, insurance, the mortgage industries; and the Benghazi murder cover-up; the Fast & Furious murder cover-up.
    Another decent Republican bites the dust, defeated by the criminal Chicago machine. Decency in the fight against deadly communism, especially when married to jihadism, is no virtue.

  • Rick Smith

    We lost not because of our message but because our message was distorted and not heard. I blame the mainstream media, educators and pop-culture for our loss. Their continued vilification of the right and distortion of the truth will take some work to overcome.

    • Jim C.

      You’re right Rick, but how can the situation be rectified? The leftist “mainstream media” is so dominant that it’s nearly impossible to overcome.

      • DaveH

        The situation can only be rectified by adopting consistent Principles of Freedom — By respecting peoples’ natural right to control their own bodies and legally acquired property, absent the Force of Government busybodies. Free Trade is part of that natural right.
        The Republican Party has been the Party of Mercantilism since its inception. Thus it has not respected Freedom since it began. The Democrat Party took up Mercantilism in the late 19th Century. Until the people get it through their heads that both parties’ Leaders are feathering their own nests, we will continue to lose our Freedom and our Prosperity.
        For some awakening read this book:

  • jopa

    Well the Republicans blew it this time with their “War on Women” and the only way they can rectify this situation is to have Sarah Palin as their next Presidential candidate and Orly Tates as VP just for a little icing on the cake.Donate to the Sarah PAC today.Or dial 1-800 UR A FOOL.

  • Steve

    WE lost because

    The third party effort always ends this way, so once again ignorance and macho looses big time.
    And the rest of us suffer. Time to lock and load brothers you brought it on.

    We saw it for weeks on end. And to the self righteous uninformed group of bigot idiots who just couldn’t bring themselves to vote for the Mormon. That folks was real dumb. Now you got the real “Anti-Christ” again for 4 more years, congratulations.

    So now Mr. Ron Paul, I did like your message and right or wrong on your “principal” You did a good job in the primary, you got your message out. You rallied many and made your presence known in every caucus in the country. You got the talking points in front of the party, But talk about being radical, with a vote of 50/50 in the last election unfortunately there was no way for you to win ever. If the Republican base could not get behind you what makes you think the 47% out there that are dependant on the government would have ever voted for you. They only understand give away. And if you had won you would have had more grid lock that this administration. That’s not just because of the established Republican Party you now belong to. It is just flipping common sense!

    It is true the media did not take you as being credible, they never do, so what is new? So I blame the party split and this loss on you and because of your stubbornness and the fact you did not even have enough class to endorse the party choice in this election for the best interest of the nation. As a result the end of the America as we knew it can be laid directly on your shoulders. At least your son appears to have had some common sense to see the real politics of the situation.

    So ok now is the time start your own independent party, but don’t do it in the Republican Party structure, take your people and do it from the ground up.

    Now to you Big “0” fans (by the way that is a zero folks). Congratulations, you deserve what you got and more of what you will get but the other half of this country does not.

    Hopefully and maybe the cool aid will wear off in another week or two, I am sure you will continue to blame Bush for every thing including the biggest tax hike ever which by the way was passed when you had total control and you will see what you really did. 2 plus 2 equals 4, you brain dead Idiots!

    Oh, And maybe smoking a “refer” is more important than our country starving from massive unemployment. So, way to go Gary Johnson fans. Grow up!

    Have a great 4 years, I am out of here. I have wasted enough time here. Sorry Bob, Never ever again.

  • Jayson

    “I believe we have a one party system in this country, called the big-government party. There is a Republican branch that likes war and deficits and assaulting civil liberties.
    There is a Democratic branch that likes welfare and taxes and assaulting commercial liberties.” -Judge Andrew Napolitano

    The cause of the “war” that had just been fought had little to do with being a colony
    of the British, or government policies regarding taxation…….but the conditions that
    prevailed because of the East India Company a “private” but state sanctioned
    monopoly whose “business practices” produced the “conditions” that inspired
    the rebellion.The history which follows is simply the same forces re-establishing themselves from those early days to the present… -Galt

    • Jayson

      For anyone who’s interested…

      William Stuart ~The Invisible College, The Great European Secret {Central banking History} and the East India Company.

  • http://google mike b.

    Hussein Obama and his minions in the state-run mainstream media is, was, and will always be THUGS!!!!! No election or election result will EVER change that fact.

    • wheldon rumproast

      Call it what you will: 50%+ in this country voted against the GOP…thank god.

  • Mark Sholl

    I follow politics and polling very closely. Fiveeightythree got every single state correct, yet the Republicans criticized the blog as being too far left, and Nate Silver- it’s author, as being too feminine. They chose instead to follow Rasmussen and internal polls – both considered complete jokes by professional polling organizations. If Romney, Chip Wood and all the other Republicans really thought they were going to win on Tuesday, it just furthers the case of how completely out of touch the entire right wing Republican establishment has become. This “out of touch” manifested itself there, and many other places- women’s rights, immigration, taxation etc. If the party does not significantly alter course, the mid-term elections are not going to be a rebound, but a nail in the coffin.

  • Letitia

    Deal with it. The majority has spoken. Not the minority of few rich old white men. People are not blind. The race was no where near as close as your phoney polls pretended it to be either! Republicans are against women’s rights and Hispanics and minorities in general (including lesbians & gays) that’s why they had nothing to say to appeal to them!

  • John Fall

    It is possible that Romney lost because, like his father before him, he did his best to gag and alienate Constitutional Conservatives before and during the Convention. Surrounding himself with CFR members in his campaign hierarchy hardly lessened his neo-con image either.

  • tncdel

    Please see, “Wimpy RINO Boehner tells Obama: ‘We want you to succeed, we’re ready to be led.’ Should the GOP replace Boehner with someone with the cojones to stand up for America, Tom McClintock?,” here:

    • Karolyn

      Well, golly gee, wouldn’t it be nice if there was cooperation and moving the country ahead?

      • wheldon rumproast

        would be quite a remarkable concept, after 2 years of unprecedented obstructionism from the right. Which is the reason many of them are on their way out the door…

  • Dan

    3 million republicans didn’t vote and Gary Johnson got 1.5 mil. I truly believe that Ron Paul could have won and the gop shot craps by [expletive deleted] on him. Even the msm wanted him gone and that should have told Amerika something. I suppose the damn fools running the party will try to justify their stupidity but it is us who will suffer. I voted Libertarian and plan to do so again if I am still here yes I am a small business with international customers and I do not have to manufacture here.

  • http://aol LENNY

    The Country lost because the GOP ran a candidate who couldn’t even win his party’s nomination the last time out, let alone beat Obama. If the announced group of GOP candidates was the best they could muster out of 300 million Americans, they will never retake the White House.
    They lost because they didn’t campaign well on the internet. The Democrats know the dumbed down younger generation take the information on the internet as gospel. They don’t bother to verify facts, so the Democrats flood the internet with their propaganda and the younger generation swallows it all. The GOP establishment fears the internet as a tool.
    They lost because they are afraid of the TEA Party. Instead of embracing them and their ability to garner grassroots conservative support for conservative candidates as evidenced by the 2010 election results. Instead, they treat them with nearly the same disdain as the Democrats ( which should be a huge clue as to their helpfulness).
    they lost because they made Paul Ryan a non-factor. They all but withdrew Ryan from the campaign instead of using him as an attack dog. Ryan has more working brain cells than the entire Democratic Party and thoroughly carved up Joe Biden in their debate. They made him a non-factor.
    They lost because they allowed their candidates to debate each other. All that accomplishes is to provide the State run media with fodder to bury them. Save the debates for the Democratic opponent.

    • wheldon rumproast

      The GOP lost becuase their platform sucked: tax breaks for the already-too-rich, while micromanaging the lives of everyone else. Pissed off everyone who isn’t white, male, and heterosexual. Hell, I’m all of those, and they even pissed me off! They are pandering to an ever-smaller demographic, and consequently becoming less relevant with each passing election.

      • Jim C.

        rumproast: It’s a good thing we have you to tell us who is “too” rich. What is your secret formula for determining who is in that category. Is Obama “too” rich? He’s only worth a little over ten million dollars and receives an annual income of more than a million dollars (from his Presidential salary and investment returns). I assume he’s not “too” rich, by your standard. “Rich” is in the eye of the beholder and is purely subjective, but it’s very useful in demonizing one’s opponents. It’s a disgusting political ploy which plays on resentment and jealousy, and corrupts the political process.

      • Jim C.

        rumproast: The “obstruction” ploy by the GOP is inexcusable. Anyone with good judgment and decency could not fail to agree with anything Obama wants to do, no questions asked. We all know that he is virtually infallible, and beyond reproach. After all, what is politics about if not to band together to support our President with praise and adulation; it’s certainly not about demeaning him by questioning his wise policies and decisions – how unthinkably disgraceful that would be!

        Compare Mr. Obama’s treatment by the GOP with George W. Bush’s treatment by the Democrats. Do you remember the continual, respectful obeisance given him. He was treated like a veritable god. No one could have imagined criticizing anything he said, or, God forbid, obstructing anything he did. The term “obstruction” was not even thought of during Bush’s tenure.

        We will be in dire straits if the poison of obstructionism creeps into our minds and souls and infects us with that subtle, but poisonous, perversion. Hail Obama!!

  • Wake the sleepers

    “Obama lost every age-group of white voters, including those aged 18 to 29, which he won by 10 points in 2008.”

    “We will undermine every collective identity except our own.”

    ["Collective identity" refers to race, religion (God), nation and family (gender)] -the blueprint of the New World Order They promote immigration, homosexuality and miscegenation to destroy the white race.

    The Presidential election Tuesday is being touted as a victory for “minorities.” The message is that minorities are growing, so other Americans might as well surrender the country to them.

    The minorities, of course, are beholden to their sponsors. This is called “invasion by migration,” i.e. how they took Israel.

    Israel, India, China, Japan, and Indonesia are allowed their cultural and racial homogeneity. Even Quebec can protect its French identity. But not North America, Western Europe and Australia, because the owners of the system perceive white Christians as an obstacle to their NWO.

    Their program, known as the Cloward – Piven strategy is to use government handouts to bribe the “have-nots” as well as the haves (Illuminati-owned banks & corporations.) This ensures that their agents like Obama keep power and increase the debt, which is the means of enslaving the country. Greece and Spain are a harbinger for America.

    Organized Jewry champions minorities because a coalition of the “have-nots” yields political power.

    Organized Jewry does not represent Jews, although it claims to, so Jews can take the blame for the NWO. It represents the Illuminati Jewish bankers who use it to deceive and manipulate Jews and everyone else. Organized Jewry puts Jews in jeopardy because the bankers are Cabalists, i.e. Satanists who hate humanity.

    Only 39% of white voters went for Obama down from 43% in 2008. Whites were 87% of voters in 1992. In 2012, they are 72%

    Obama won 93%of black voters, and 71% of hispanic voters. Obama lost every age-group of white voters, including those 18 to 29, which he won by 10 points in 2008.

    In 1988 W.H. Bush was able to win 288 electoral college seat with 60% of the white vote. In 2012, Romney could muster only 206 electoral college seats with the same 60% of whites.

    According to the 2011 census, 63 % of the US population is white; 17% hispanic and 13% black. The hispanic population in the United States grew by 43% since 2001, surpassing 50 million and accounting for about 1 out of 6 Americans. In the next election, Texas and Georgia will no longer be Republican.

    Hispanics now are one in 10 voters nationally and reaching higher levels in states such as Colorado, Florida, Nevada and New Mexico, which have become comfortable turf for Democrats in presidential politics. Obama carried Colorado by winning three-quarters of Hispanics, up from 61 percent in 2008. Witnessing a new era of pandering to their controlled minorities.

    “This election affirms that there is a new politics, a new demographic reality in America, and that the Democrats are further along in adapting their politics to these new realities than the Republicans are,” said Simon Rosenberg, whose liberal NDN think tank has been tracking the changing Hispanic electorate.

    Obama’s success followed intense efforts by his campaign and outside groups to recruit and register minority voters. The campaign registered hundreds of thousands of blacks and Hispanics in Florida alone, surpassing its 2008 efforts. Nationally, the NAACP aimed to bring 1 million new African Americans into the electorate, and the Service Employees International Union devoted much of its $75 million effort to registering minorities in eight battleground states.”

    I have no illusions about Romney actually representing the interests of the White Christian majority of Americans. I don’t believe his squeaky clean image is real. If you are not a traitor, criminal and pervert, you do not get to run for President.

    Romney was a stalking horse for Obama, like Kerry and McCain were for Bush and Obama.

    Romney gave Obama a pass on the $16 trillion in debt run up under his watch, and his failure to punish those responsible for the credit crisis. He gave Obama a pass on the Birther issue and the fact Obama’s mother and father were Communists. He ignored the passage of more police state measures; and the real human cost of the recession. I wouldn’t be surprised if the “47%” speech leak was orchestrated. The circumstances of this critical leak are still hidden.

    Then there are Romney’s Zionist backers … ’nuff said.

  • wheldon rumproast

    Oh please: blaming Obama for Libya? Do you blame Bush for 9/11? Happened right here, under his nose, not 1/2 a world away. You people really like selective recall…and criticism…

    • Jim C.

      It seems to me there are two major differences in the situations of Bush and Obama. Obama helped set the conditions for the Libyan situation by his promotion of the “Arab Spring”, and he failed to respond when warned of the imminent danger facing the embassy.

      By contrast, the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center were not occasioned by any acts of Bush, and he did not have prior information about, nor any warning of, the impending attacks.

      • Smilee

        The arab spring would have happened without Obama as it had more to do with new technology making it possible than anything else. People who hate Obama for everything he has not done and the sad part I think many of them believe it is true, how sad!!

  • randall woolwine

    what was this load of manure that i just super pacs spent a billion dollars on lies, bigoted remarks, and statements lifted out of context and paraded around like a war banner. allen west, the disgraced exsolder, tried to fire up the tea party and could not even win his his own reelection. now he is spending the last of somebody elses money to contest the vote count in florida. is anything you printed above remotely connected to a shred of truth that you can provide actual proof of that i, a single disabled well read and current news sponge, can not disprove. do you even know what you are talking about or is ths your first time online.

  • Tony Wikrent

    If you want to win again, you should start by apologizing. Apologize for lying us into a war in Iraq, Apologize for clinging to an ideology of financial deregulation that devastated our economy. Apologize for listening to complete self-centered pricks like Rush Limbaugh and actually believing – and repeating – their insulting crap. Apologize for believing something so stupid like “Demonrats want to destroy America.” Apologizing for corrupting, ignoring, and misrepresenting Christ’s message of love and redemption. Apologize for cheering that an innocent person was killed by capital punishment, and cheering for the idea of someone without health insurance just dieing.

  • Jack Worthington

    Neither party can address the root cause of the economic debace, i.e. the fiat currency/credit system. This defect has been analyzed and validated by experts and then denied by commie/socialist with their fellow travelers in the media sufficiently to brainwash and indoctrinate the masses who have no clue as to the fallacies spewed by these evil people. One need only visit Hal Mason’s YouTube video explaining why the budget can’t be balanced to understand the lies of the Democrats and the refusal to address the issue quantitatively and the same goes for Republicans. We are going down. We will see the bottom of the abyss.

  • http://NotAvailable Philip A. Sandi

    Election is over and the winner we predicted won and that is the best for America. Get back to work for he is not and can never be a one term president.

  • Rick

    Whine, whine whine. You lost the election. The American people rejected your right wing whacadoogle ideology. Get over it and let the rational 50% of the nation get on with the country’s business.

    • Jim C.

      Rick: Yes, the GOP sure has a “whacadoogle” ideology. That’s because it’s based on the U.S. Constitution, and we all know how “whacadoogle that is. Karl Marx’s Communist Manifesto is much wiser and more realistic (just ask Pres. Obama).

      • Smilee


      • DaveH

        Neither the Democrat Party nor the Republican Party are based on the Constitution.
        Things will continue to get worse until people wake up to the fact that the Politicians are serving themselves first and their Crony Capitalists second. The people come in a distant third.

        • pissed off and liberal

          Actually the list goes as follows.

          1 themselves
          2 the capitilists
          3 the military indusrial complex
          4 isrial
          5 the prison industrial complex
          6 NATO
          7 our ” allies ”
          8 our puppet goverments
          9 opposition movements in nation whose goverments we dont like
          10 the american ” middle class”
          11 the american working class
          12 the american working poor

          just thought i,d help make it a bit more clear.

  • pissed off and liberal

    Mr wood i am going to say this as politely as i can. the whole premise of your article was in fact false.first you sid ther was a clear difference between obama and romney the only one i can think of is skin color. they agree on just about every issue. they BOTH wanted to tighten sanctions on iran. NIETHER of them would have stopped isrials illegal settlements and the destruction of palastinien homes. they BOTH approve of drones. they BOTH approve of the ndaa. they BOTH agree on a bloated defense budget { albiet romney is a tad bit more extreme } . they BOTH would have given taxpayer money to too-big-to-fail banks. and for the record the media is baised to whoeveris IN POWER not just to one party.

    • Ted Crawford

      READ THE DA_N CONSTITUTION ! ! Or at least the articles specific to your stated concerns! Articles 7, 8, & 9, and the Tenth Amendment! What you’ll find in Article 8 are the enumerated responsibilities of the Federal Government! There are 17 Clauses included in Article 8, seven of which deal with National Defense! ! We are expected to have a large Defense Budget!
      What you won’t find in Article 8, is any authorization for free cell phones, free birth control, free housing, free medical care, food stamps, or even education! To address those issues we need to refer to the Tenth Amendment!
      The Constitution is to good government, what a recipe is to good cooking! If a cook fails to follow the recipe, the food suffers! If Government fails to follow the Constitution EVERYONE suffers!
      This Nation, for 132 years(with minor exceptions) followed the recipe and built, out of nothing, a strong, thriving Nation! Then, in what I’d hoped was a bout of temporary insanity, elected a true Socialist, Woodrow Wilson! It seems that the seed of tryanny, that I had believed to be dead was simply dormant! It sprang to life again in 2008, and has now achieved full bloom in 2012!
      Given our circumstances coupled with those of the rest of the Worlds, we don’t recover from this one! I suspect that we will enjoy an ever diminishing influience in World affairs for, perhaps the rest of this decade, and then we, and the World will be looking elsewhere for guidence, probably China!

      • Ted Crawford

        The Progressives should have considered the thoughts of our Founders and writers such as Locke, Montesquieu, de Tocquecville, Tytler, Lippmann! Conservatives, especially myself should have taken Reagan to heart! ” Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction” That Generation is here NOW !

        • pissed off and liberal

          Ask a dozen people what is freedom you get a dozen different answers just because your generation dosnt like my generations idea of freedom dont mean my generation dont like freedom we just have a different defanition.

      • Smilee

        Have you ever seen the Constitution??? There are only 7 articles in it and you cite 7,8 & 9), I suspect you mean Article I sections 7, 8, & 9 the powers for the defense is defined there but nothing says it has to be large or small that is for Congress to decide it also does the same for the general welfare, congress is given that power and the power to define its size as the court pointed out in the Obamacare decision. We are not a socialist country that is nothing more than a figment of your imagination and is flawed and wrong. The tenth amendment makes clear that powers enumerated to the Congress are not the rights or powers of the state, if the Constitution does not give that power to the Congress or define it elsewhere then and only then is it the power of the states and you are saying the states have power over Congress when that power is given to Congress in the Constitution . You simply are totally ignorant of the Constitution and how it works,

      • pissed off and liberal

        First of all woodrow wilson was NOT a socialist and i should know because i am. seconly to te best of my knowledge no politition has ever offerd free cellphones and the notion that socialism is just giving everything away for free is a myth perpertrated by the elites. finally i am aware that free education free healthcare and a garunted job is NOT inthe constitution but it is my and my comrades opion they should. be deal with it.

      • DaveH

        We are expected to have a large defense budget, Ted? Where do you get that? Who are we “defending” against? America hasn’t been attacked since Pearl Harbor and that attack was provoked by FDR.
        In fact, in Article I, Section 8, one of the Powers of the Federal Government is — “To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years”.
        Our Founders knew, as Thomas Jefferson said — “And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale”.

      • DaveH

        The reality is that Crony Capitalists are orchestrating our Imperialist ambitions for their own personal gains. It has nothing to do with Freedom and everything to do with the wealth of the string pullers who have no qualms about sacrificing good peoples’ lives for their gains. And they have infested both Major Parties.
        I’m caught in the middle between NeoConservative Progressives and Liberal Progressives both of whose followers have been severely Propagandized.

  • Gillysrooms from Australia

    Chip, your starting it all over again. The reason the Republicans lost is because you only marketed to your followers and donaors telling them what they wanted to hear with such gusto but you forgot about the others, the important voters you needed to convert. The Republicans just dont understand how to do it because you put your foot in it all the time and every time you made silly statements you lost valuable votes and I warned you several times in my postings all the way from Australia…but you where deaf because you knew it all and you could not learn from outsiders. You were so keen to get donations I believe you even lied to your supporters to keep those donations rollimg in and in a way Mitt Romney defrauded the financial donors by not doing his homework on the voters, their demographics, their aspirations and their relevance in each state,

    You failed in the business whereas the democrats had the volunteers usimg modern business technology and systems to target the voters who eventually won them the votes which got the results while the Republicans where targeting their supporters which even Donald Trump was doing and still doing to markey his business to Republicans where most of his business comes from I bet. Being yes men to your supporters lost you the votes from non republicans who you might have had a chance at converting them.

    The Republicans need better disapline by keeping your mouths shut in public utterances about your policies which are not well supported by the swinging voters who are the ones that really matter if you wish to win next time. Lets face it…true Republicans will always voter Republican and true Democrates will always vote Democrats….BUT the SWINGING VOTER should have been your target market….but it seems like you did not care…you kept making vote losing statements and I really dont think you got much of a chance next time either when you have hard nosed Republicans threatening a repeat of last year on the fiscal cliff problem which all Americans are seeing in the news. Hes threatening all of America AND THE WORLD FINANCIAL STABILITY unless Obama submits to his wants on tax and spending.

    Every time that Congressman John Boehner with that smirk on his face opened his mouth before the elections he lost you votes and even as recent as a day ago he was losing you next time voters because power had gone to his head while supporting the Republican hardliners and supporters he is losing swinging voters at the next elections. So why now after the election he now but not prior to the start of the election campaign does he supports comprehensive reform – which includes a pathway to legalization for the undocumented — will be a priority in 2013.

    Read more:

    In my opinion Congressman John Boehner is the Republicans worst enermy even though Republicans dont think so and keep him in the limelight. causing the world to ponder whether he will send all our economies into a serious downturn…but maybe his supporters are the sharemarket traders who make money on uncertainty and collapse waiting in the wings for the whole of American stockmarket to collapse so they can make a killing on short selling while J. Boehner keeps us waiting till the 11th hour as to what the decide while trying to blackmail the Democrats which I can assure you it wont do the Republicans any favours.

    You just have to cop the tax hikes on the chin and pay more tax because only we with assets are responsible to pay because your poor dont have the money and never will because they spend it buying what you offer them. Businesses need spenders to sell to, because without the poor struggling spenders…you have no business, no profits and then no tax either. No point trying to force the govt to reduce spending….it will only send your business values on a downward spiral …just look at Greece for an example of things to come if John Boehner gets his way. It wont be pretty anywhere in the world i can assure you.

    Its now a good time to examine your failed campaign techniques and hopefully learn from them by starting your new canpaign now… watch every word you utter and think…will we gain support or lose support.

    • Ted Crawford

      I understand your points Gillysrooms, in fact the Progressives pratice that exact method of PANDERING to their constitutents! However, it’s been my experience that a body that requires pandering will, in the end, be found wanting! They will lack the strenght, courage, and wisdom to overcome the challenges that a life of self- governing will surly encounter! This was proven to me in a very stark way as I observed, and experienced the difference between a ‘straightleg’ unit and the LRRPs, during my tours in Nam! The two are very different entities! I believe that the primary difference is motivation! The latter are self-motivated and the former require external motivation, often extreme motivation!
      Pandering never solves any problems. It delays the inevitable at best, and prolongs the agony at worst !

      • Gillysrooms from Australia

        I agree with your point Ted, but the problems we face these days including in Australia I might add, is that you have an increasing number of minorities each feeding off the system which offers lots of government assistance for little or no imput by the recipient. In Australia we have the Labor Party build on the foundations of the Union Movement who used their thuggish power to obtain wage increases for workers yet hiding the fact that the higher the wages the lower the number of workers who would keep their jobs and the more jobs would be transfered to the Asian countries who made those same goods at 90% less than in Australia. The Labor Party even helped those that lost their jobs with generous unemployment benefits which discouraged people wanting to get those jobs back due to the reduced incentive to work. Your system is less advanced than our generous system where we have medicare Health Care paid for by a 1.5% Levy on our Federal Income Taxes but I suspect really paid for with other taxes because we also get heavily subsidised Medication for most people. Public hospitals also privide free services paid for by both State & Federal Governments where the rich also use to save money, but to get faster service for non urgent matters the Private Hospital System can be better yet some wealthy people do play russian roulette with their health when they need to sometimes wait on waiting lists to save money….but the options are theirs to risk.

        Even our Conservative [Liberal Party] introduced a silly but voter accepted Baby Bonus of $5000 per child born to any woman without exception so that drug addicts and teenage girls of child bearing age would get pregnant to get that bonus and encouraging refugees to risk travel on leaky boats to come to Australia to get all these generous benefits too.. During the GFC our Labor Government gave $1000 to each government welfare recipient to stimulate the economy but taxpayers and workers got nothing. The Labor Party gave every school child a FREE Laptop thereby promoting the idea that the Labor Party was Santa Clause bearing gifts every few months on borrowed deficits using the GFC as an excuse to GIVE MORE…bribing the voters into remembering who was looking after them, as if money was easily found. This attitude makes it almost impossible to beat at any election time. Now tell me how could our economy benefit from buying imported laptops we dont manufacture in this country? Yet the students did not care when they got a free Laptop Computer.

        But how can the Republicans argue that when your country spends so much on foreign aid and military budgets building housing and sending food to Africa etc yet it cant look after its very own people in favour of foreigners? How could a Republican President reduce food stamps or let your poor sleep under bridges yet argue against higher taxes when your deficit were mainly spent on unwinnable wars against muslim nations. The Republican arguments just dont wash no matter the reality of defence needs or the fast approaching fiscal cliff. Poor people cant get any poorer but the middle and upper classes who are fewer in number will be hurt and burnt.

        The wealthy in number are reducing as a percentage of the total potential voting public and that is why Pandering needs to be considered essential to winning the next time around. The Demographics are changing against the Republicans and towards the Democrats unless you can make more of your poor wealthier….but thats unlikely. Morality, religious beliefs, sexual behaviour is no longer deemed to be the business of the government and its something the Republicans have got to learn to keep out of politics…yet thats unlikely too…so the Republicans and the churches who support the continuation of the Christian religious crusades through the poltical process need to but wont change their insistance that they are RIGHT to be extreme RIGHT WING political activists which will continue to lose you voter support.

        Dr Ron Paul made lots of sense to lots of people except to the nomination selectors of the Republican Party. For these reasons and many more the Republicans need to change their ways or get taken over by the Liberterians or stronger force who will have the power to change their thinking. I really dont have much hope that will happen either. My only hope is the the Ron Paul supporters are growing in number to soon takeover the Republicans hard line stand and wont become too hardline with Republicans like John Boehner when it comes to increasing the debt ceiling. Do it now please and donr procastinate for point scoring…because you will start losing more votes.before the next elections….

        I might have to start my very own Republican Party Reform Committee in Australia and to include our own Liberal Party who may end up losing next year too by not heeding the lessons and warnings of your loss this week. Benefactors who might like to get an outside view of how to increase your changes at winning next time might like to consider my offer as one of our first members might be one of Australias billionaires Clive Palmer who as a major contributor and long time member was explelled this week as party member of the Natioal & Liberal Party in Queensland for being too outspoken. Conservative supporters deserve to support poltical parties who want to win, not pretend to be interested and remain outsode of the political game.

      • DaveH

        What you don’t get, Ted, is that Progressives dominate both major parties. Progressives’ solutions for all problems are Bigger Government. It doesn’t matter if that Big Government is Liberal Progressive or NeoConservative Progressive, most of the rest of us still lose our Freedom and Prosperity.
        We won’t get them back until the heavily Propagandized minions wake up to the fact that Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.

    • J Man

      This is off topic I know, but could the Australian Navy use an Aircraft Carrier?
      The nuclear powered USS Enterprise will be retired this year a then sold for scrap.
      I am not a navy man myself, but the vessel is only 51 years old & with some refitting would still have many more years of use.
      Perhaps you could talk to leaders in your government & convince them to purchase the carrier on the cheap. It might come in handy as a deterrent to the newly commissioned Chinese carrier now afloat.
      Also, Uncle Sam is strapped for cash & we could really use the money to pay down or national credit card.

  • RevNowWhileWeCan

    Why the Republicans lost in one picture. Us Paul supporters will get it. LMAO!

  • Charlie Grace

    Conservatives only lost by a VERY slim margin, our ideas are NOT dead. Big government WILL destroy our American way of life. period. Obama is a scary man and it is possible that his ideas will be ingrained in our society of many,many years to come. Spin it, point fingers, whine while the people in power and there are more and more every day, destroy our destiny.
    Stop, listen and think. He must be stopped – He will be stopped and YES WE CAN!

    • Ted Crawford

      The size of the margin is irrelevant Charlie! It’s the simple fact that it existed that counts! If that bullit had passed just 6 inches to the left, or if I’d taken just one more step, Danney would be here blogging with you and not me!
      That, narrow margin was the fatal bullit for this country! Our Freedom has been ailing for sometime! That ailment ( Socialism, Communism, Marxism) became an incurable disease on November 6! Our fate is determined, the only malleable factor in this equation is the timing!
      Most likely depends on the IMF, G-8, OPEC and their timetable for SDR’s!

    • DaveH

      NeoConservatives lost by a slim margin.
      True Conservatives lost by a very large margin:

      Welcome to the Propagandized New America.

  • Steve K.

    As a 65 yr old veteran I could have never dreamed of a day when the American people would validate Socialism for our great country!

    • Ted Crawford

      Hi old timer! First ; Thank you for your service! I’m only kidding about that ‘old timer’ stuff! I’m just a year younger and also a veteran, and I feel the same way!
      What’s even more telling however, is that my Father, who just passed away a couple of months ago, was also a veteran, one of those who hit the Beaches on D-Day! Even more importantly, in this case, he was also a life-long Democrat! Just a couple of years ago he shocked me, when he declared, out of the blue, “Son had we ever believed that someone like Obama could have ever been elected as President, we would never have done what we did”! now that will get your attention!

    • pissed off and liberal

      Well guess what? THEY STILL HAVENT.

    • J Man

      Thanks for being a comrade in arms, whatever branch.
      As I recall the year I put on the uniform, the crowd that controls the White House now were the same ones who were spitting & cursing at GI’s like myself a generation ago who were shipping our or returning from overseas.

      A big HURRAH
      MSG USAR Ret. 1st Cav Div. 10th SF Group TXARNG

  • Catfish
    • Gillysrooms from Australia

      Catfish…you might wonder what happend to those 16,000,000 white voters could be explained in a few ways…first is they changed their minds and decided to not vote at all or some voted for Obama because they wanted Obamacare too. The voter intention numbers may have been exagerated to induce financial supporters to pump more advertising money into the Republican race, or the storms may have had an impact on there voting intentions OR they decided Romney had already won and their vote would not matter. but you are assuming too much that all those 16 million whites inyended to support Romney in the first place given that it is a secret ballot…how would you really know?

  • jopa

    Well according to Karl Rove, the GOP lost because of an act of God in the form of Hurricane Sandy.In that case we know who God wanted as the President so I believe we should all get together and work with Obama since he really was Gods choice.Seeing how the President and governor Christie worked together was just awesome wouldn’t you say.We need more of this and I am sure Christie would be welcomed in the Democrats party anytime with his display of leadership.The Lord works in strange ways at times.

  • Thinking About

    Preaching hate does not win votes. You whine and cry about the news media being biased, yes it is in many cases just as this site writes on slanted tones. Our elected officials should be in the business of governing and not obstructing, everyone loses in this situation. You can’t complain about spending and then turn around and attach earmarks to bills you know are going to pass and then vote against the bill. This is wrong.

    You complain about fact checking, what is wrong for wanting to know the truth. When some climb trees to tell a lie rather than tell the truth on the ground even if the truth sounds better, there is a problem. The time which these lies was going to live are over, we have access to reliable sources to know the truth. You can not rely on talking points from the talk shows to be truthful and you can not get into a debate relying on these talking points when there is definite sources revealing the information is wrong.

    It is time for governing and those elected should go about the business of doing what they have been elected to do. We need to elect those who are capable of governing and not making crazy statements.

    • Gillysrooms from Australia

      Totally agree with you.

  • David

    None of you radical conspiracy theorist religiously filled hateful misinformed people that has half of a brain which is the foolhardy news propaganda slave to your universal rich whom make their fortunes on them will ever understand that Nate Silver on 538 predicted the outcome of EVERY state through things you do m
    not nor understand big things like Calculus, Probability and Statistics and a full brain attached to UNBIASED factual existence that shows how a majority of Americans deal with issues as they come up. The poster of the above new story is a straight up idiot. FACT.sheeple who follow their master to a hellish existence.

    • DaveH

      You’re trying to be funny, right David?

  • Chuch

    “If all government spending originates in the House”, how come government agencies can provide all the millions of dollars to all these “Green” companies without congressional approval??

    • Smilee

      They approved it and all gov expenditures are approved by them, what makes you think they didn’t?

  • Jimbo

    Why didn’t the Republican party make the case against the Fed’s money manipulation, which has increased greatly during the Obama administration? The Fed has for the better part of the past century manipulated the money system to create steady yearly inflation, on the whacky theory that more dollars means more growth.

    It doesn’t create growth. All it does is destroy the hard earned savings of Americans. It also forces us to change careers, and uproot our families to find better paying jobs. Private business owners don’t have to worry about inflation. They can always pay themselves more money, and lay off workers to pay for it. Government workers don’t need to worry about inflation (or economic downturns) They are taken care of by contract. It’s the rest of us who suffer. We have to ASK / BEG the boss for a payraise to counter inflation. When we don’t get it, or can’t find a better paying job, we fall further behind. Inflation is the real cause of the shrinking middle class.

    Why isn’t the public more upset about this? Shouldn’t the money you earned and saved 10 years ago buy the same amount and quality of goods and services today, as it was when you earned it? That’s how you get ahead. By saving for a new education, the business you want to start, your children’s education. Why is the public so eager to accept the steady rise in price of everything important (food, housing, gasoline, clothes, education)? Are we so brainwashed that we think this is normal? 100 years ago, people could buy a cup of coffee, and a year later, the same cup of coffee was the same price. Why shouldn’t it still be so?

    This was an issue that all Americans could have understood, if only the Republicans had talked about it.

    One more thing.. Americans are war weary. Israel can take care of itself. Why the constant push to get us into war with Iran? Didn’t we learn anything in Iraq? Don’t we have enough on the table with Afghanistan? Enough already!

    • Gillysrooms from Australia

      Jimbo, i can assure you that all of America will be upset with the Republicans like John Boehner if they send markets divind if they dont pass the debt ceiling increase with increased taxes for the wealthier. Those with assets are responsible to pay either now through higher taxation now or later through much higher taxation and interest ontop of the borrowings or like the Greeks paid via a collapse of their sharemarkets and other security values. So if you really belive that the Republicans are not going to do what the elected Democrats President wants for the good of the whole nation and drive your country over the fiscal cliff , then I suggest you sell all your shareholdings and pay off most of your debtas and buy gold and silver coins to trade with or buy a small farm with plentiful water supply to grow your own crops on.

      Dont hesitate or alternatively you can make a fortune and go for broke by gambling on the derivatives market by short selling the index if you can get the timing right. You’ll need a strong heart without high blood pressure issues to try these moves because there might lots of jumpers over next couple years if the Republicans get their way.

  • Smilee

    No President has authority over the fed, it is independent.

    • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

      Precisely, it is neither federal, nor is it part of the government; it is owned by a private-banking!

      • Wake The Sleepers(Jay)


    • DaveH

      Sure they do. They can abolish the Federal Reserve Act anytime they want, as well as the Legal Tender laws which force us to use the Federal Reserve’s counterfeit money.

      • DaveH

        But they won’t do that willingly for the same reason they passed the Federal Reserve Act in the first place. Central Banks are a necessary condition for Growing Big Government.

  • http://none nick beck

    all of you can bicker and fuss this to the bottom and pray to some imagined god [ witch , by the way , in most cases only helps the ones that help themselves ] OR you can defy any further restrictions on the 2nd amendment and be prepared to use it or wallow in the coming mess–there is no place to go even if you would be ALLOWED to do that and you will deserve what life style you are left with.

  • rosebud

    No! Smille the president doesn’t have the authority over the feds. He’s supposed to go thur congress to get congress approvel first. Congress represents the folks they put in office. When congress is out on recess the president uses his or her excutive privleage to do things which is not the will of the people.

  • Laurie

    Wow! Your article says it all and expresses the fears of many a Republican. I tend to be optimistic, and know from years of study we all need to raise our frequencies and know better times are coming. Our moods determine our future. Unfortunately, it often takes great tragedy and crises for the masses to wake up and be aware of what’s happening to our country and liberties and stop sleepwalking. Like 911-everyone was oblivious to the dangers we faced, until that horrible day. I guess the best we can do is be awake and try to wake up as many sleepwalkers as possible, while making the best happiest lives for ourselves in the process. Also, to have faith that someone will come up with a solution to help America get us out of this mess and back on our free, happy feet once again. It may take some time, but let’s work, expect and pray that the solution is already here!

  • AMaria

    Your article is clear and right to the point. I have lived this process in Cuba and it is sad that America’s future can be in such circumstances. Now for some of his new charity actions: Obama and his team of Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice “donating” 34 millions to the UN to give to Siria,instead of using that money to truly help Americans: all the homeless and needy after storm Sandy in NJ & NY, and the 23million unemployed Americans.

  • Petezarino

    Not so fast Petraeus !! There are still questions that need to be answered about Benghazi incident by the Obama staff, and that includes YOU ! Fess up the truth we are still waiting … Happy Veterans Day .

  • Motov

    “The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a
    citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the
    Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the
    follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the
    necessary common sense and good judgment to a
    depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their
    president. The problem is much deeper and far more
    serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what
    ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not
    blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made
    him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack
    Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely
    to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made
    him their president.”

  • Motov

    We need to impeach this phony before it is too late.

    • Gillysrooms from Australia

      Whilst i can understand your frustration Motov, your type of chat is what makes you look like a fool blaming it on the voters. It was the Republicans who lost it with a multitude of people talking like you and annoying the swinging voters and unless the Republicans can somehow put some disapline into the many like you, they will lose again and again be sure about that.

    • R. Fine

      Getting elected by the American people as President TWICE kind of means you are not a phony. It means you are very much legit. Republicans have to get their heads out of the sand and face some realities. They also have to realize that presenting a bunch of clowns as candidates doesn’t help either.

  • http://personalliberty Joe

    The first thing is do not put up a Mormon the people do not trust, understand, or like them. The second thing is we need to stop appointing progressives and/or RINO’s. We need to get back to the real Republician party of limited government, personal responsibility, and liberity. We need to stand up and tell the people what we would do and I mean give real examples not if we are elected we are going to reform ????. That is not anyway to get voters excited if you can’t give examples than do not say anything. We need give people a reason to believe in themselves and their neighbors. We need someone to step up and say we will cut these programs and we will combine these departments and I mean names not just that we will do it but something like the DEA, UN, or you name the program or department almost all if not all could be shut down or combined.

    • DaveH

      That “real Republican Party” never really existed. From the very beginnings of the Republican Party, it was a party composed of Mercantilists and Big Central Government advocates. They only give lip-service to things like Freedom or Limited Government to get your votes, similar to the way the Democrat Party gets votes from their uneducated followers.
      Pick up a copy of this book and educate yourself:

  • DaveH

    According to Cass Sunstein, administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs — “Government is ‘implicated’ in everything people own …. If rich people have a great deal of money, it is because the government furnishes a system in which they are entitled to have and keep that money”.
    In other words — “You didn’t build that…..” — Obama
    But of course they would say that, just as a car salesman would say that you need a new car, or an insurance salesman would say you need insurance. It’s their job. They want to keep it. They don’t care if it negatively impacts you or not.
    But the facts are right here. The Bigger Government gets, the Smaller the Economy gets:

  • DaveH
  • rosebud

    Eddie47d You are one of the most nasty, and voulgart comments on here. You must like radical Islam, Can you explain to the American People,and the families of the 4 american’s that lost thier lives under your president watch over in Liba. What about former president Clinton over in Bosina he sent troops over thier. He was even handed Bin Ladan in he hands,but he him turned it down. What would you have done if one of those 4 American was one of your family member; would you be singing this president praises then?

  • Jake Goode

    In my humble opinion, this election showed that the American public is moving towards the left.
    The Republicans lost because they were too far right on a number of issues – women’s rights (abortion), gay rights, immigration. They bet on the conservative vote pushing them through, and it failed. And they bet that the ‘undecideds’ would vote their way based on the economy, even though these ‘undecideds’ were not behind them on the women’s rights, etc. issues.1
    They lost even though the economy is in shambles and we are spending what we don’t have. I hope your children’s schools are offering Chinese language classes. Sign them up now, so when they graduate they have a hope of finding a job.
    I predict this will move the Republican party a nudge to the left to appeal to a larger class of voters.
    This, in turn, will move the Democrats further right in order to differentiate themselves from the Republicans.
    So the whole political spectrum will move to the left.

    • DaveH

      The Republicans lost because they offered no real alternative to Obama’s Socialism.

    • Gillysrooms from Australia

      Dont be silly Jake, there wont be any reason to have children learn the Chinese language in your schools because there are now more Asians who speak and write english than there are caucasians and we are probably outnumbered by 2 or 3 times more than us speaking and writing English and I can also add that most asians can spell better than most who have gone through American, English and Australia English classes. And we trade with Asia sometimes using interpreters…the only need to learn Chinese is if you intend to become better educated in languages or intend to go work there at some stage.

  • Gillysrooms from Australia

    The real problem in politics is we have too many gods claiming to be the real god and its supporters are trying to claim top billing. I say kick the religion out of the politics.

  • loveinchrist

    The reason the right-wingers lost is because Americans find your philosophies repugnant. Republicans are anti-gay, anti-science, anti-poor, anti-black, anti-women and anti-everyone who doesn’t think or look just like they do. They nauseate me. I’m proud to be an American in 2012, where we finally are putting your backwards morals and values in the rear-view mirror. Grow up and join us in the 21st Century, and quit whining about college educated people. Evolution is real. So is man-made climate change. The fact that you people still deny things that even children in China understand are real embarrass me as an American.

  • S. L. Johnson

    The sheer number of posts and the length of said posts are actually signs that Eddie and the other liberal posters here either a) have no life, and therefore probably have no job which sort of ruins their credibility, or b) were placed here by someone who wants to deliberately drown out the ideas of conservative thought. What I am suggesting here is they could be getting paid to troll…

  • James A. Legel

    Some “clown’ in D.C. GOP Hdqrs. said ” we get maybe 5 seats in the House and 3 seats in the Senate.. HELOOO ! With-in (18) Eighteen Months there won’t be a UNITED SATES OF AMERICA as we know it..150,000 more aborticide, unemployment 13 to 15%,
    Stock-Market crash bigger then 1929, China owns the banks, The United Nations will ‘SPIT’ on “OUR” Constitution, ban guns and run the internet, and Israel will bomb Iran.
    There goes our Foreign Policy..
    All this,well planed by HUGO CHAVEZ’S Comrade Brother BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.
    Anti-American Dictator Chavez said, “Comrade Obama is far more ‘LEFT’ then Fidel Castro or myself ”
    When “WE” return to GODS LAW, HIS BIBLE and CONSTITUTION.

  • Rosebud

    I see Eddie47d supports a dishonest president. Hey Eddie47d if you,like illegale immigrants that have babies then why don’t you pay thier medical bills,and save the tax payers dollars. You alone can take care of them all by your self no help from anyone..You also support same sex couples right,and yet your president said he was a christain,and was against same sex couples,but desparate for votes he’s now for same sex couples. He mocked the bible in church,and thought it was funny. Not a problem if the bible got burned or tossed in the trash,but yet the Korean was has been treated like gold,and was handled with white gloves. It takes two to have kids not one. I guess he’s a man if he does it with a woman,but she gets pregnant,now she a ho or a slut.? He’s not held accountable for getting her preganat right. He’s a male ho!!!!Both of them needs to stay out of the bed if they don’t want to expect the responsibilty of being parents. Just so you know Sodom,and Gomora was destoryed. God loves us all,BUT!!! he hates sin. Sorry you disagree,but the truth hurt’s..

    • eddie47d

      You can go to Hell for lying too Rosebud so why do you do it? Christian my Arse!! See if HE can fix your hate for that is too big a job for me.

  • truesoy

    YOU LOST because your lies don’t work anymore. Most people have wisened-up. It is that simple (except for the few lost souls here).


  • Boris

    Aha..How do you count “most people”? 60 millions vs. 57 millions (or something like that) is NOT “most people” and you refer 57 millions as ” the few lost souls” . I would call YOU a liar with such remarks

  • Rosebud

    I take it Eddie47d,along with some others on likes a free ride,don’t have to work for anything, This president will take care of them,and control their lives at tax payers exspence.They like calling some folks ugly,and nasty names if they disagree with them. That’s called a double standard. I give God all the praise,and glory he’s alway’s in control.

    • eddie47d

      Typical Republican extreme right wing slanderer. You are a dime a dozen and I can’t even say you are wearing a cheap suit …more like butt naked and ignorant!

  • Robert Rashbrooke

    I find it hard to understand why, after Galt and Rev Now have both posted links to articles concerning the founding fathers and the Constitution which diametrically oppose all that is generally accepted about those institutions, that other posters regurgitate the probably unfounded beliefs taught and accepted by Americans today, unless it is to support their possibly untenable opinion. Have none of you actually read those articles? The link by Rev Now has some absolutely astounding facts in it which should induce scepticism if nothing else.

    As a non voter (tax paying, property owning Resident Alien married to an American) I look at this election and see the Republicans for what they are; lying, manipulative egotistical self servers, with Romney as its leader being so totally hypocritical in keeping HIS millions stashed away in some foreign banks just so that HE does not have to pay tax on them, all the while telling us that we will have to go without so that he can sort out the problems he and his both Democratic and Republican cohorts and predecessors have created. Republican led administrations across the country are busy gerrymandering the Congressional boundaries and amending voting regulations with the intent of perpetuating their own incumbent members. When the heads of the major banks are on trial for what they did to this nation in the recent banking scandal, a process obstructed by Republicans, THEN perhaps the Republicans will gain my and others support.

    Whilst I do not believe in a God, I do not have any right to stop other people from so doing and in fact have no WISH to stop others from such action. However, religious types are far less accommodating than myself and would impose THEIR belief (for instance on birth control, gay marriage and abortion) on me. I do believe that we have SO MANY different denominations solely because a MAN decided at some time in the past that he did not like the imposition of the then current church’s restraint on his behavior so he started a NEW church without that restriction. SO, it would make life easier for all if NO church was able to influence everyday life and politics at all, even if it requires a law to achieve this..

    Intolerance is killing off this country, and a huge dose of tolerance is needed to get it back into operation and running the way most of us want it to function. We must get rid of the ability to scam the system and do away with those who repeatedly and consistently will not follow the rules that make life tolerable for all in any modern large society. If you don’t like the Laws answer to transgressions, don’t transgress! We have 300 plus million people to look after here and should not let personal beliefs infringe on any other person’s ability to life a peaceful, lawful existence.

  • Robert Rashbrooke

    Ooops! The last line should end “any other person’s ability to lead a peaceful, lawful existence.”

    • old hillbilly

      You obviously haven’t read the Constitution & Amendments. If you understood it & believed in freedom, you’d support it. You can believe in anything or nothing, thus can’t force someone else to believe in you or what you believe. It’s OK to believe in nothing – fits in with 52% of the voters.

      Marriage is an ancient word describing a man & woman union designed to maintain the human population throughout time. You don’t have to get married. You can live with anyone you want as long as it’s mutual. If you want to plug one end into the other, get hepatitis, aids, etc., privacy is protected, but so is mine… so go for it & reap what you sow at your expense. If you want a certificate – the word is sodomy – homosexual – whatever, but it isn’t marriage!

      You’re free to do most any non productive thing you want & Obama will give you a cell phone to call for food stamps, shelter, & a card to vote for more. Once upon a time, citizens were free to create things of value, hire people to make them, pay wages, make a profit, and save some money for retirement & emergencies, own a house, and give a tithe to God who knows best how give to those in real need. However, our forefathers forgot to put that which came natural to them, in the Constitution, so Obama decided to tax, regulate, manage the business, and skim all the profits to give lazy bastards who won’t work cell phones, food, and all the things the little businessmen can no longer afford… free of obligation and in Obama’s benevolent name, as if he ever gave anything he produced to anyone! You see, he’s never produced anything!

      What you call capitalist pigs are the global monopolists who put up puppets and $2 billion to stage the last election & count the votes for us citizens. If you read up on monopolists & tyrannical dictatorships you might find a clue to how they came up with $2 billion to buy votes, $5 trillion more mystical debt spending, manufacturing plants disappearing here & sprouting up way over yonder in China, new wars, and worse. Of course, the unfunded pension liabilities, union dues, broke Social Security & almost a trillion snatched from MEDICARE, carbon credits, fart taxes, and on & on, ad infinitum. It’s a lot like a toilet – fill her up, pull the handle, it swirls round & round till it disappears, & swish it’s clean gone like it never was… just like the fruits of my labor.

      So, here it is, I give up! I’m not going to make anymore Twinkies & your job and union are long gone! I have provisions & know how to plant a tomato & shoot a rabbit, so I won’t starve & you aren’t going to steal either one! If you want to know how to plant a tomato in a sidewalk, which end of the gun you point at a rabbit, what a rabbit is, or if there are any rabbits running around in WALMART – go ask Obama, Harry Reed, or Pelosi. I’m sure they don’t have a clue, but maybe can find some idiot in ACORN who might be familiar with squirrels. Good luck. Can’t wait to get my cell phone – give me a ring when it snows & let me know how the tomato patch is doing.

      Pass it on free advice ain’t like going to WALMART

  • Rosebud

    I give all the praise and glory to God!! He’s still in control of everything.

  • MD

    Well Chip
    If you’re this pessimistic it means it must have been the right outcome. I’ll call you a WAAAAMBULENCE.
    Meanwhile hopefully those who don’t want to simply ignore half the country will look at solutions that include as many of us as possible. extremist people like you aside.

  • http://none ron

    Whatch u mean we keemmosahbby!!

  • JON

    “Why We Lost And What It Will Take To Win”…Hmmm….Let’s see.
    If you have only one view on the world [us vs them], and support those who only believe the way you do [our way or the highway], you’re going to have a limited following. If you open your heart and mind to other possibilities [than your own narrow views] and be all inclusive when it comes to the population [right, left, white, black, etc] you’ll have a much better chance as winning the majority. It’s not all about you. It’s about everyone.

  • sesame

    What are you talking about? Most polls were saying Obama had a lead in the toss-up States. His victory was hardly a surprise.

  • Marc

    A member of the 47% to Willard Mitt Romney

    ” Turn out the lights the party’s over ” and one more thing, YOU ARE FIRED! Boy, it feels good to be able to fire people who use lies and money to win an election. HA! HA! HA!


  • Dianne Lee

    The Republicans lost because they believed their own propoganda and then tailored their campaigns to that belief.

    The GOP is not really lying about the basic ideals on which they base their political philosophy. In order to be genuinely lying, you have to not believe it yourself. In the alternate universe created by Faux news, Rush Limbaugh, etc, the lies have been repeated so often, and by so many people that they are actually believing themselves now.

    This is “truthiness” — Colbert’s word, meaning that what is self evident when you use your mind is less important than what you know in your gut. You believe your gut, not your mind, because you don’t like what you know with your mind. The problem with using your gut for thinking instead of your brain is that the products of the two organs become virtually identical.

  • Lawrence

    The only thing good about this is that Those who have been deceived will probably suffer as much as the rest of the people.

  • http://google brand inspector

    I’m glad Romney lost, we have become a nation of sorry azzed whimps, and maybe this idea of talking and not getting serious on terrorists, living off of someone else money, and governments solves all problems. This may force people to learn and find out what BS the media and beltway socialist/communists have feed to everyone. Empathy and emonital support crap doesn’t solve problems or cure cancer. The decades of teaching in public schools, that promotes “goberment knows best and does best” has created this mess. Which the socialist democrat party has pushed from its organization. The idoils of the socialist/communist dem party have all inbraced government complete control. Wilson,FDR,Clinton, and of course the maddrass educated maxist in the WH, the common thread of the party;s leaders is they have no compass on their lives, think that monies collected from citizens is their entitlements, lived off of everyone else work and sweat. The worst being the marxist lovers, that the media lap pooches never mention. So if we go over the cliff from people to whimpy to do something for them selves.

  • Liquid

    obumma did not win the election Romney and ryan won it and won it big. everyone with a brain that works know the big a$$ in the whitehose stole the election just look at all the voter fraud reports people . now lets see 1 politician grow a set and do something

  • Don

    It will take people that vote for someone that can fix the problems of the United States and not a group of people that cast there votes for the Rock Star even if he or she is an idot like the one that won reelection Barrack Obama.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    My Advice is: JUST KEEP PRAYING, THAT YOU GET IN POWER AGAIN… You set up a preacher… You supported The Bush Dynesty… NOW, PRAYER IS ALL YOU HAVE LEFT!

  • haditinsd

    How short peoples memories are. I used to say history expires in two years for most Americans. Now I ammend that to two months. Remember how Romney spent 18 million to destroy Newt Gingrich before the Florida primary. Remember how the old gaurd republican RINOs had Romney selected before even half the country had a chance to vote for a candidate. Sounds exactly like democratic tactics and its pretty hard to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
    Maybe its time to try a truly honest and truly conservative candidate. We had 2 or 3 in this race but they got disposed of early by the RINOs. As long as we support RINOs who are only democrats under another name we get what we vote for.

  • Ad Man

    I’ve been absent with comments during the election and the defeat due to
    my disgust with the negative process.
    Now I must comment on our people and our future, or at least my future. I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of our people are…(how do I put this delicately) stupid! I can’t think of a better way to describe them. They had all the chances to see the truth about what is happening in America and they ignored it. Now we all must pay for their mindless decision no matter why the voted the way they did.

    As for our future, I believe many people and companies will leave this country, some temporarily and some permanently. I’m sorry to say I will be leaving with my family and my business permanently. I can’t see any future left in the country I once knew. It’s over!
    Toronto Canada is where I will relocate to, it’s a vibrant and exciting city with all the attributes of a little New York with a low crime rate, low business taxes, a good educational system, and a great health care system. Canada has one of the most stable economy’s in the world with an educated population including some of the nicest people I’ve ever met. It’s only a days drive from my roots, what’s not to like?
    I’ve given it much thought and my decision is final. Good bye America, I will miss you.
    Ad Man

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      I’ve been absent with comments during the election and the defeat due to
      my disgust with the negative process.
      Well… You Weren’t any help here… Bye…

      • Ad Man

        I think you may be saying Bye to a lot of productive people Bert

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        Ad Man: Your coupler is broke… I was in re’ to what YOU wrote! { I’ve been absent with comments during the election.} You weren’t much help, by “not” rendering your Comments. I know the English language is tough, for use, to connect with others.

  • Mike W

    The GOP should not have cheated Ron Paul out of the nomination… what goes around comes around!

  • Tired of This Fool

    Chp, like your loser friend Ben Crystal, you couldn’t even chose between a rock and a hard place, even if your massa GOP told you to pick a winner.

  • Michele Hriscko Cook

    When healthcare is rationed, people are dying, doctors are leaving and it is not as “free” as advertised, then they will learn.

  • Don Corley Sr.

    I’m sick of hearing people whine and cry about “what went wrong.” Think FRAUD, that’s what went wrong. Now, there are two things you can do about it, keep whining and crying or get off of our sorry, lazy backsides and actually do things to make Washington do it’s job and not allow the electoral college to issue their votes to make this third world country style election, official. Just because they threaten to take our guns, are we going to be dumb enough to give them up? WAKE UP PEOPLE. These maniacs, that we call politicians, will continue to take and take until “We The People” have had enough and say no more, and say it with authority. They don’t care how much we whine, as long as we don’t act. They call our bluff and we back down and say well, what can you do? How about marching on the Capital in force, while exercising our second amendment right, and all of our local governments every day, and demand satisfaction. After all, it is our right to do so according to the US Constitution. Don’t wait until it’s gone. It don’t take massive amounts of people, it just takes small amounts all across our country in every city and small town. Take charge before this election is made official. It is not official as of yet.

    • truesoy


      So you believe they threaten to take your gun, right? But if only you had more brain than gun, things would be so much better for you, really.


  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Democrats Have a MUCH BETTER Paying their DEBTS… Than the Republicians! ( That leave them to the Democrats!)

  • Deerinwater

    “Why We Lost And What It Will Take To Win” ???

    The answer;

    Something that the right-wing machine seems to be unable to do as it is not their design to listen to the people but rather listen to the wealthy and their spin doctors as they go about demonizing anyone that interferes with THEIR visions for America or the world.

    The GOP has became an extension of the greed and lust for power of the J.P. Morgan’s of the world as they systematically go about world domination of all human endeavors with proxy’s that do their bidding. The names and various titles are many, while each wears a nose ring installed by the bankers.

    To this end , the GOP is willing to say and do anything that serves their masters ambitions as they are one and the same, They have compromises themselves in the process as public perception is made into a battlefield for the hearts and minds of the masses.

    To use people like Glenn Beck, Rush, Bill O”Really, Sara Palin, Karl Rove, Rupert Murdock and Company to deliver a message that only divides and fuels hate has worked very well, ~~ but not for the GOP.

    For the make up of the GOP to change and appeal to more voters would be for a Tiger to change it’s strips. It can not be done. Not today’s GOP and it’s supporters as they do not like change and refuse too. They still see no need, it is the world that must change.

    World history is truly fascinating as it repeats itself over and over again. Yet what is more profound is that any notions of perfection offered and afforded mankind will be destroyed by the few that see it as a threat to their personal interest while disinformation, planting the seeds of contempt.

    That the backers and supporters of the GOP today want to continue to do the same things and expect a different results is truly amazing. ~ That they wish to place the burden of blame for their failures on someone other then themselves suggest to the rest of us that there is something lacking in character, something they have yet to acquire, to know, an element quality they find elusive and not a part of their makeup. They would much rather be offended by such a incitement then know that it is so. This behavior leaves them in a state of denial from which few return.

  • rosebud

    The Democrates are much better paying the dept then Republican’s do? Right sure Obama been in office how long now,and hasn’t paid a cent back. Obama has racked up more dept in 4 yrs then any other president in history. People are hurting since those storms. All he did was a dog and pony show,and off to another trip overseas. He still hasn’t taken responsiablity for the 4 four american’s that lost thier lives. He’s been totally dishonest. needs to be impeached………

  • Jesus A Estrada (@JesusAEstrada)

    The Latino vote is more than Immigration Pathwyas, Dream Act. In fact for those of us who are citizens neither of these two issues make any diifference if we implement or not but the messages the GOP was using caused to consider the dignity of humanity which seems to slip the GOP. Wonder why you lost so badly? Consider the messages and lack of reality to the concerns of the working class. GOP lost because it was only representing self interest and very little about all of us.

    • Ad Man

      The true reality is, it was about the survival of every class but no body could understand it. Instead, the stupid class one and now we all have to pay for the rest of our lives because of the sins of the uninformed. The paradox is… We got what we deserved!

      • Deerinwater

        “The true reality is, it was about the survival of every class but no body could understand it. Instead, ”

        Well ? True! so who is producing and educating the most children in what ever humble manner they can?

        Our future will be in the hands of our youth ~ regardless how you wish to see it.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Winners or Loosers… Happy “triditional” Thanksgiving day…

  • rosebud

    Eddie47d you must like free stuff,because your president got re-elected, that’s why you bash any one that didn’t like his record that he ran on which he didn’t. No! your president didn’t clean up any mess. He just made it worse. Union’s workers that decide to strike for more money,and medical benefit’s hurts the buisness they work for. They need to stop crying go back to work and be happy,and thankfull they even have a job.



  • Bettye Hoffman

    WE lost because of the pervasive ignorance of the slight majority of the general populace.I spoke to numerous people who were voting for obama because he’s a Democrat and “they care more about the little people”, because they felt Romney couldn’t relate to the masses but only to the “rich”, etc. It either involved money, or, lack of money or because they “didn’t know who else to vote for”. Some admitted to not having kept up with politics and just voted for obama because he was already in so he must be O.K. In short, ignorance.

  • Truth

    WE did not “lose”. Obama won because of HUGE voter FRAUD. “WE” can never win an election again because the lying and cheating by the Democrat party and their liberal followers has been ALLOWED to get so far out of hand! People are so BRAINWASHED that they are going to be in complete shock when the SHTF!

    • Deerinwater

      No~ you just lost, ~ while cheating all the way.

  • Ad Man

    You know… it;s mindless twits like you that have been at the switch of a secret group who has been in control of the destruction of U.S since 1963. The Left has been captured through a conspiracy that began after the death of J.F.K. As a result, you and your ilk… the liberal mindset, have become the most aggressive force leading the way to socialism in the western world. Look it up, if you have any constructive thought, which I doubt.

  • Rafe

    The left wanting to tax the rich, yes, but why they want to, is not because of their espoused equalization of wages?
    They say that this is why, but that is propaganda.

    If we remember who the left is! They are the party of fabrication and deceit!
    They lie, cheat, manipulate, distort the truth, obstruct, redefine, twist, cover-up, YOU NAME IT, to get their way.
    They have been doing this with ever-increasing boldness over the last 20+ years.
    They have perfected the concept of telling the same lie or lies long enough; to the point where they convince not only their audience that what they say is the truth, but they even have the ability to convince themselves.
    There is no shame in what they will do or say!

    But, taxing the rich is just another one of their strategic smoke screens to get the public to believe they are truly concerned about the under privileged and they (the good guys) are going to get them their fare share by increasing taxes on the ruthless greedy rich guy.
    But what is the real truth as to why?

    Why they really want to tax the rich guy has nothing to do with equalizing wages or leveling the playing field, it is really to get their hands on more dollars, ~$80 to 100Billion; for the purpose of continuing to play Santa Clause to a part of their voting bloc. They simply want this money to look like the good guys to the millions who are currently receiving hand outs from the federal government, so that they can continue to advance their voting bloc. They are smarter than we think and they know exactly what they are doing! They know that $80-100B is not enough money to do anything to reduce the national debt. But they don’t care about the debt! They could care less about the debt, as a matter of fact I believe they want the debt to rise. They simply want more $’s to continue to play Santa!

    I believe that it is part of their strategy, to leave a towering debt for the next conservative president to struggle with, which will make their presidency more difficult and in turn make a democratic president look like a more desirable option.

    Here is the proof, if the left were truly serious about equalization of wages then they would want to help the average wage earner who only makes about $40-50K and has to contribute to their own retirement savings which in a life time would be lucky to amount to $500K. But no, no help here for those who pay the bulk of government and teacher union wages and benefits, these people (the average wage earner) are not their voting bloc.
    And, if the left was really serious about equalization of wages they would be going after a reduction in wages and benefits to the government worker and big union workers (teachers and auto workers) who’s salaries range from $70-110K and pensions and retirement benefit packages that equate to a self funded 401K of $1.3M+. But, no can’t touch these people, these people are their voting bloc.

    Therefore, I believe it is simple, it is all about the voting bloc. If it advances the democratic voting block it is good, if not it is bad. THE RIGHT SHOULD LEARN TO THINK IN THESE SIMPLE TERMS!

    The left has only one main agenda, stay in power at any cost, and change a constitutionally conservative America, by force, to their progressive socialistic ideals.

    • pissed off and liberal

      Adam Smith the man who wrote the book on capitilism wrote that ” the amont of tax a person pays should be proportunate to what they can afford to pay ” meaning that the wealthey should pay more then the working class on the grounds that they can afford to pay more.

    • Deerinwater

      Rale says; “The left has only one main agenda, stay in power at any cost, and change a constitutionally conservative America, by force, to their progressive socialistic ideals.”

      I say: The people that “like to call themselves Conservatives” will do anything to take power way from the people and give it to the “Wealthy” regardless of how many lies they have to tell.

      Jesus understood percentage and the “Ability To Pay” , “when can less be more” and “more can be less” and so too is it with a worker that makes 25,000 per year and pay a 19 % tax rate while someone like Mitt Romney pays only 14% and we suspect for many years paid none at all.

      Compare: Luke 21:1-4
      Jesus and Sacrifice

      This incident with the widow making an offering in the Temple is directly connected with the previous passage where Jesus condemns those scribes who exploit widows. Whereas the scribes came in for criticism, though, this widow is praised. Or is she?

      Mark presents us here with a widow (“destitute” may be a better translation than simply “poor”) making an offering in the Temple. Rich people make a great show of giving large amounts while this woman gives only a tiny sum of money — all she has, probably. Who has given more?

      Jesus argues that the widow has given the most because while the rich have only given from their surplus, and thus have not sacrificed anything to God, the widow has indeed sacrificed greatly. She has given “even all her living,” suggesting that she may now not have money for food.

      It is worth noting, though, that at no point does Jesus explicitly praise the widow for what she has done. It is true that her donation is worth more than the donations of the rich, but he doesn’t say that she is a better person because of it. After all, her “living” has now been consumed by her offering to the Temple, but in verse 40 he condemned the scribes for devouring widow’s “houses.” What’s the difference?

      Perhaps the passage is not meant so much as praise for those who give everything but a further condemnation of the rich and powerful. They direct institutions in a manner that allows them to live well while the rest of society is exploited to keep those institutions running — institutions which, in theory, should exist to *help the poor, not consume what few resources they have.

      The passage I refer to ; ”

      And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. 42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. 43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: 44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

      • Robert Smith

        Isn’t Jesus feeding lots of folks socialism?


        • J Man

          If Jesus were a socialist, he would have made Lazarus pay his death tax before he resurrected him.
          Also, send him back to the graveyard as a community organizer to get the dead to vote.

          • pissed off and liberal

            I might not remember exactlly where it is in the bible but i know know know for a FACT ther is a verse wher jesus spoke to a young lord ans said to him that to get into heaven the lord should his divide his wealth amongst those he lorded over. Think about
            it jesus was telling him to redistribute his wealth to
            those who created it his workers. That is socialism.

      • J Man

        For Pissed Off Lib:
        The verse you want from the Bible is Luke Chap 18, verse 18-24
        Read it & you will note that the young nobleman says he had followed every commandment of the Old Testament. Then Jesus asks him to give away his riches which only exposed to the young lord himself his disappointment, misery & apostasy.
        The youthful lord had more faith in his riches than Jesus.

        PS: JIm Jones & followers thought they also were practicing Christian Socialism,
        it didn’t end well.

        Social Justice is Social Bu$t Us.

        • pissed off and liberal

          For J Man.

          First thank you for naming the verses.

          Secondly that may be the lesion you take from it and if it is that,s fine but i take a different one.You see the youthfull lord had a choice he could a follow the instructions of jesus divide his wealth among the poor making ther lives easier at thecost of making his own harder but with the promise of spending the afterlife in heaven or b ignore teinstructions of jesus keep the wealth he inherated from his father instead earning himself therby keeping his easy life at the risk of punishment in hell.He of course choose the later so the lession that i take from this story is that te wealthey will choose a life of luxerey for themselves over a eternity in paradise for helping others anyday.

          And for the record i am of the opinion that the jones family failed not because of ther ideology but that because they followed a paranoid drug addict.Could just be me though.

          • Deerinwater

            We need to keep it mind of the “question asked” ~~ What MORE can I do?

      • Deerinwater

        J Man and pissed off liberal,

        you both seem to miss the point ~ This noble man was asking what MORE could he do as he claimed of being a true believer and had done much!

        Jesus offered him an answer ! ~ Give away your wealth and follow me” was his answer.

        Jesus tells us, man cannot serve two masters both God and money.

        This has little to do with socialism. ~ Jesus is not telling everyone to give their money away, ~ He is only answering a direct question of a single man that has asked a burning question.

        What is it to own the world and lose ones soul is the question that Jesus is asking of us.

    • hwozniak

      interesting but silly. a lot of what he describes in here has already been done during the Bush era. Remember weapons of mass destruction? remember how bush stole the election? remember how Bush was smiling when he gave away the money to the banks? I would suggest this person finds a cave somewhere and hides out in it for a 10 years or so…lol

    • Robert Smith

      Actually teachers and auto workers EARN more because they must be qualified to do the job. The qualifications to push a broom or ask if someoneof they want fries with that are minimal. Compare that to college and certification for teachers and years of experience for skilled factory workers and shouldn’t those who have to meet standards be paid more?

      To compare a well educated or skilled worker shows a complete non-understanding of the situation and condisention to those who work their way to a better life.

      THAT is why they join together to stand up to the right wing greed for fair wages.


      • J Man

        Can we define or quantify fair please? That word gets used a lot in the Liberal double speak. Also, “fair shot”, “spread the wealth”
        I my life, I’ve worked on a cotton gin, a saw mill, went to a couple of colleges, the military, some nurse homes & hospitals, a couple of prison units & a reserve call up or 2.
        Fairness to me was to step forward & sometimes do the jobs that others did not want to do or go where I was needed.

    • Ron Anderson

      Couldn’t agree more. But my fear is that they are being successful. If they grant amesty to the many illegals, in my opinion, they will secure their voting block, making it vertually impossible for a conservative to win an election. This of course is based on demographics and is refering to national elections, ie: presidential, where, because of the electoral college (which I used to favor), the left is able to win by devoting all their time and money to the large population groups of entitlement minded within the large cities. It has been shown where they get their support. It is not from the self reliant, hard working folks that have made this country great, but, rather from those that don’t want to improve themselves but wish to stay on the public dole, expecting the government to take care of them with no imput on their part. I won’t even get into the effect a changed supreme court would have on the country. I fear we are going the way of Greece or that a revolution is coming.

      • J Man

        Mitt Romney was right about the 47%, which was spun by the media. If Mitt is wrong, then so is the IRS for coming up with that figure.

    • Mark E

      Besides your regurgitation of Republican/Tea Party talking points, Have you ever considered spell checking and/or grammar checking your comments? Or, even, re reading them before you hit “Post Comments”?

      • Ad Man

        Is that what’s really important to you?

    • carrobin

      Everything in this rant is true, except for “Democrats” and “left” read “Republicans” and “right.” Take off the skewed glasses and check the last six months of the presidential campaign.

    • Tim Lewis

      Cicero said it a long time ago, we might as well start thinking about what to do after all this collapses! Find the good and discard the bad! Rebuilding. Someone should be focusing on that. Perhaps, if enough thought is put into this(along with continuing to struggle against the current problems)there will be some hope for the future no matter which way it goes!

    • John Mullaney

      Sorry, knowing the truth dosen’t really help the already convinced like me, no it just adds to their frustration. No it is the Democratic voting bloc that must see the truth, the progressive Liberal, I am legally blind, but even I can clearly tell that, that light at the end of the tunnel Obama, and his crowd are always shouting about is really the light from an on comming train that is barreling down on us all. No, they must be the ones to see not you, or I, no we see clearly, no it is they who must see, so that the truth may set us all free before there is no more America, home of the brave, land of the free left to save..

      • Deerinwater

        A person filled with a belly full of poison will see and think many things. I wish you a speedy recovery Johnny.

      • J Man

        “Obama supporters & Stalin supporters both drink from the same glass of illusion”
        Xavier Lerma, Obama’s Soviet Mistake 19 Nov. 2012

    • Bill

      You said that all the left wants to do is stay in power. I agree 100%. But, you should have added that the Right wants to do the same. Politicians don’t give a damn about the citizenship, they care about (in order) – Themselves, their friends, their party affiliation, and then the average citizen.

    • http://gmail kewpiedoll

      gee as i was reading this , I thought yes this sounds just like the right wing conservatives every word you said is what we say about you republicans. a proud democratt

      • Deerinwater

        Well? ~ what’s to say? ~ Is you is or is you ain’t my baby? It is called disfranchisement .

        Today’s “self proclaimed conservative” does not know where to $hit or wind their watch.

        The rug has been pulled out from under them. They are lost and without anchor or common purpose.

        They have been loyal, they have done all the things that they believe required of them but they “feel” that they have somehow “LOST”.

        Which to such narrow minds, suggest that somehow ~ in someway~ some one has “WON” !!!!! other then them.

        The truth is, we have all won. ~~~ Obama with complete a second term and start events that others might hope to finish. Obama is doing ground work for long term success , while in the short term things might not appear so rosy.

        I say; ” Grow up and attempt to see the big picture, health care and living and dying is “on going” , something that does not stop but goes on ,27/7 365 days a year. Maybe it has not yet “touched you” but at some point it will. This might well be the only time in your miserable life that your find some appreciation for unconditional love and compassion.

    • Jeffrey Bookman

      If you get it , why the hell don’t the Republicans.I watch the political game and its either one 2 possibilities. one: the Republicans are stupid nieve amatuers or Two: Its a game the two parties are playing to make us think they are competing forces when they are calluding against the general public. Either way were screwed.

    • Raymond Kemp

      Do we possibly need a Conservative Christain Party? The republicans are stuck in a rut over their old fashioned ways and ideas. They want to be all inclusive, Give the illeagle aliens a free ride at our taxpayers expense. There must be a better way to get the truth out as we see it. Obama is taking us to the cleaners and the republicans are falling for their rhetoric and decietful lies. I wish Mark Levine, and Glen Beck was our president.& VP I have never met men with more passion & courage for true patriotism & Liberty.

    • L. Diesel

      Your article’s title suggested it would explain why the Republicans lost the last presidential election. I did not get it, unless you are saying that they lost because the “Left” lies. OK!

      I say that is not the reason the “right” lost. The main reason, besides “vote fraud”, that the Republicans lost was that they lied and cheated Ron Paul out of the nomination. Ron Paul won the first three states, but your crooked Republican Party, which is controlled by the Banksters, stole his votes, and lied about those first three primary outcomes.

      Had Ron Paul been nominated, as he rightfully should have, he would be our next president. Then I am sure that we would be auditing the FED, and probably had a real investigation of 911. However, your criminal leaders of the Republican party could not have that, now could they?

    • http://n.a frank hobbs

      Nobody seems to be able to address the FRAUD of the “vote” Process. This November, 2010 presidential election was gross abuse of the process of votes counted, processed and recorded. The whole computer process is blatent with easily applied techniques to rig the final numbers. Good God, like statistics, they don’t lie, but, liers use rigged statistics all the time. That normal process in Government, political business medical, so-called science and even in relegion should have taught us all of the “I Don’t Trust ANYONE, of ANYTHING anymore.

    • Warden Howard

      I’d like to know where you got the information about the outrageous teachers salaries. I taught for 30 years and never made as much as $30,000 a year. Who do you think you’re kidding?

    • k cook

      After 25 years in public education, I am almost at the top of our pay scale and make just over $50,000. Earning a Masters Degree would get me a couple thousand a year more. No teacher I know makes $100,000. Claiming we earn $70-110 thousand yearly is an easy way to agitate the uninformed.

      I have always voted Republican until this this election. Without a choice of quality candidates, what is one to do?

      • Deerinwater

        You voted for the only party candidate that appeared to have a grasp of the truth ~ This little war of lies on government and public workers by the Tea Party was most productive and very effective! They still think public school teachers make 76 to 100,000 per year. While the most I know makes 32 to 42,000 if they are lucky.

  • rosebud

    Another 4 years of playing gulf,and takeing vaction’s at tax payers expence. Oh can’t for 4 lives were lost over Liba where was the president Oh in Las Veg partying and hasn’t taken responsiabilty for any thing,blame some elso. When was the last time he really did do anything presidental for the American people,besides Nothing, lose jobs. He slams,and belittle’s Israel,and mock the bible,and yet protects Islam,and the koraen. He’s the first president in history to let America be down grade. I would be concern the most when,and if America stops supporting Israel. I see prophecy being full filled as time goes on.

    • Deerinwater

      Rosebud say; “Another 4 years of playing gulf,and taking vacations at tax payers expense”

      I say, ~ Well I’m sure the GOP wish that he would take more.

      • rosebud

        I take it you don’t have a problem with the president playing gulf,and going on vacation’s to Hawaii for christmas 20 day’s at tax payers expense. I guess it was ok with you that the Mrs went to Spain for a week to go shopping,and at tax payers expense..The president was partying at los Veg, while the US emb was being attacted,and 4 American’s lost thier lives.You didn’t have a problem with it? It’s ok with you that Citco banking is getting ready to lay off folks. The only thing this president has done is shove a mandates a health care bill down the American people’s throat,and the mom,and pa’s buisness might have to lay off,and possiable close thier doors, because they won’t be a to pay for the shoved down thier throats heath care. This president had both house,and senate for two years,and nothing got passed or done. I guess that’s why he was able to play so much gulf,,and go to hawaii so much. why doesn’t he go on vacation in chicago that’s where he’s from. unless he thinks he’s to good for it now since he’s president now.

        • Deerinwater

          You are correct! I don’t . Next question.

          • rosebud

            Funny! you trash Republican’s , call them names but if someone trashes Obama you will have a fit. He can do no wrong he’s been doing great! Well Obama isn’t great he needs to be impeached,but I guess you’ve been blind all this time to see or noticed what’s been going on. I see why the EPA has regulation”s their bogus claim globle warming,but then again may your full of hot air.

          • Deerinwater

            I thought this was a tell it like it is site? If you’ve got something, please don’t hold back and threaten with a dirty sock in your hand, ~ bring it!

          • Rosebud

            I didn’t hold back anything the dirty sock,it has been in your hands when you trash talk about the republican’s,and you pat the president on the back. Now why don’t you tell it like it is.


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