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Why Obama Will Lose In A Landslide

June 7, 2012 by  

Wayne Allyn Root is a well-known Las Vegas oddsmaker with one of the most accurate ever records of predicting political races. In fact, correct prognostications earned him a star on the Las Vegas Walk of Stars. What does Root predict the outcome of November’s Presidential election will be? Obama will lose. Here’s why.


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Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle Class Wayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site:

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  • FreedomFighter

    The faster Obama is removed the better for America.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Warrior

      When the young fraud was an ILL state senator, his landmark legislative masterpiece was to co-author a bill supporting late term abortions. Not to be outdone, the wiff and valerie put together a bill that allowed university of chicago to legally dump indigent patients off to the county hospital.

      Now, this is leadership you can be proud of. You freakin “progressives” need to be “dumped”. Americans will make the correct choice come November. Oh, baaarakk, the property for your library is designated for is ready for groundbreaking and rahmy’s got your shovel. Come home now barraaaack er barry er whatever your name is these days.

      • NENA


      • Nadzieja Batki

        Nena, in as simple language as possible to convey to you that you wrote what could pass the smell test for horse manure.
        Try being truthful instead of pretend writing as if you were illiterate.

      • JUKEBOX

        Nena’s diatribe is as understandable as Obama & Axelrod’s alleged explanations of any of their policies.

      • Tom W.

        Sic her guys!!! I’ve said since this contraseptives broke, “Ya don’t f#@k wit da pope!!!” LOL!!! Tell’ em Padre’!


      • Nancy in Nebraska

        NENA, seriously?!? Go back to school! I’m not trying to be mean but I couldn’t understand anything you said. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to learn to write.

      • DaveH

        But not Public School which is probably responsible for her current writing skills.

      • http://naver samurai

        What was that Nena? Are an American or are you from another country? If you are from another country, try toi learn our language before posting. Also, I hope you are here legally. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You must have both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Rocky Adams

        How dare this guy call himself a libertarian. I Romney plant more like, and if the rest of you tools don’t get your heads out of your asses and see that Romney is just another Obama you will go down along the same path that brought us here. Romney may become the next president, but not by real votes. You ready for another Bush election? I have no doubt Obama will lose but not to Romney.

      • Rodhea

        Dick got it right. Nena had to be using a computer translator. I have used them many times myself to try to convert another language to English. They just don’t work very well. I use them to try and get a sense of what someone is talking about. Nena’s attempt at English is exactly what I get from a computer translator. But, one thing is clear. Nena is an Obot.

      • The Professor

        Nena: SAY WHAT???
        The letters are all there, but the words don’t make sense. Ask a 6th grader to help you next time.

      • Abaton6

        Hey Nena,

        How’s that hooked on phonics course working out for you?

      • http://personalliberty Lisa Smith

        What you talkinbout nena?

      • Cee

        It is truly comical how we have a President who could be a character in a Horatio Alger’s novel and you put him down with your idiotic and untrue rants. He is MORE of an American than anyone posting to the contrary. He is a patriotic loyal defender of America. You come up with truly pathological lies about the man, and yet somehow MOST AMERICANS do like and respect him. I think that the sillier the attacks become the more people will become defensive of him. For example, do you really think that the AVERAGE AMERICAN approves of what happened in Montana? You have what is supposedly a mainstream GOP event, yet there is a bullet riddled outhouse labeled the “Obama Library” and inside it says “For a good time, call Michele” do you good Christians (lol) really imagine that insinuating America’s First Lady is a whore, gets you points with ANYONE? You live in an echo chamber and all you hear is your own perverse voices. The fact that spineless Mittens, sent Newt to go speak there and neither one of them had the class or good taste to demand that eye sore be removed, well it speaks to the poor leadership and his willingness to pander to the basest elements on the right— which is clearly well-represented here.

        • Liberty Lover

          There are abuses on both sides of the political spectrum, Cee, but the differences between the two can perhaps be seen most vividly in the differences in behavior between the Tea Party and the infantile Occupy movement. The idea that the sordid manipulations by which the least qualified, least accomplished candidate in history managed to become President somehow qualifies as a “Horatio Alger” type of story is ludicrous to the extreme. Obama has spent a small fortune hiding his pathetic past so as to reinvent himself and deceive the American people. It is truly an American tragedy that, with almost universal backing by a biased media, he has succeeded so well in undermining a country whose freedom and exceptionalism he truly loathes.

    • Davee El Hombre Grande

      Thanks for fighting for our Freedom.
      I’ll see your “Laus Deo” (praise be to God) and raise you Romans 13 verse 1; in part “For there is no power but of God; the powers that are ordained of God.” Ouch! Not what my human nature wanted to hear. #44 is in Power because our past and present Legislators have knuckled down to the religion of atheism; thereby forcing the atheist view points on all Americans. That is exactly what the separation of church and state meant to our founding fathers. I.E. government has not right to tell us how to worship. God gave the victory over superior odds (British) to establish a free society, the United States of America. It is not a Democracy it is Constitutional Republic. We use a democratic vote to elect our representatives. They have let us, US, down. They have no shame. They can’t do math, but they can vote themselves more money than those who actually produce and market a product that make our economy run. Why does the first lady need 22 assistance? Who are they and what are they doing and where will they go with inside information when we vote them out. Why does #44 use the services of air force one more than the last two presidents combined? That is stealing from the till to my way of thinking. His words speak of hope and change but his action are contrary to our constitution and it is time we the people braced him for breaking his oath of office, to protect and defend the constitution. So why did God put him in office? To wake Americans up. I’m awake, the Freedom Fighter is awake. YOU?

      • MAP

        Davee, our enemies want to destroy everything. They want to dismantle all traditions, conventions, faiths and beliefs. Once destroyed to the core, they believe they can construct what they think will be a utopia. They are very dangerous fools.

      • DaveH

        Rather they want US to believe that they can construct a Utopia. The Leaders are simply feathering their own nests, and they will tell us any tall tales they can muster to accomplish that goal.

      • Tom W.

        The Marxist idea of the law, as officially defined by the Soviet Union in 1938: “Law is a combination of the rules of behavior established or sanctioned by state authority, reflecting the will of the ruling class – rules of behavior whose application is assured by the coercive power of the state for the purpose of protecting, strengthening and developing relationships and procedures suitable and beneficial to the ruling class.”

        Our general public has been sold on the fact that WE are the cause of ALL the world’s woes! A perception which must change, teachers and peofessors who teach propaganda instead of fact mush be weeded out and replaced!!!

        “Democracies have serious drawbacks. They certainly are not better than they ought to be. But corruption can occur under any kind of government. And I think that every serious student of history will agree, upon consideration, that our Western democracies are not only the most prosperous societies in history – That is important, but not so very important – but the freest, the most tolerant, and the least repressive large societies of which we have historical knowledge… One must fight those who make so many young people unhappy by telling them we live in a terrible world, in a capitalist hell. The truth is we live in a wonderful world, in a beautiful world, and in an astonishingly free and open society. Of course it is fashionable, it is expected, and it is almost demanded from a Western intellectual to say the opposite.” – Karl Popper

      • Mike in MI

        Davee EHG -
        I’d like to engage in a little Biblical logic here re: Romans 13:1.
        It is and has been common teaching, generally held, that this addresses secular authority and how we should align our lives to relate toward secular governments. Such teaching holds that God ordains, sets up and stands behind temporal authorities and God’s people are to comply with their demands, regardless.
        If that is true we must stop imagining this is to be, by any stretch, a “Christian nation”. The founders would have been totally off any Biblical basis by dissenting and resisting King George. That is exactly what George thought because of the Anglican Church’s attitude to his throne, their standing, this verse and THEIR extension to him of the concept of “divine right of rulership”. THEY extended this olive branch to him; God maybe didn’t have a thing to do with it if their rendition of this verse was not God’s interpretation and intent.
        By the same token, David in the Bible, was way off base in going against King Saul – especially after Saul had been originally anointed by the man of God, Samuel, who inaugurated and instituted Saul’s reign at God’s instruction. However, Saul went off the reservation and was eventually removed after he consulted the sorceress at Endor. There are other records where native and foreign governments were shed by movements of Godly people (in warfare no less)…with God’s assistance when they REturned to him.
        Evidently, there is something wrong with the common interpretation and teaching about Romans 13:1. Either that or God supports and assists those who reject his Word so they can lord it over everybody they rule and make them do things God says are unjust, not right(eous)and evil.
        Well, the simple answer is readers should be more careful HOW they read, understand and apply what is there to be learned. The book of Romans says in Romans 1:6-7 that this letter is written to “the called of Jesus Christ: (7.) to all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called saints”. What it says, therefore, is written to believers, God’s followers, His church and in this case in regard to those He has delegated to administer, teach and serve as leaders within that body (who maintain themselves in proper service and teaching). If they get out of bounds or in chronic egoism they’re out, gone, removed. Why? God won’t honor their prayers or bless the people he leads.
        People, often people totally opposed to God, endorse and establish secular rulers. If they set up people whose laws maintain order and reason in society without inhibitting Godly worship or observances then why not fall in line? What’s most important? God says He’ll meet your needs until this epoch in God’s timetable is finished.
        Have a blessed day.

      • Tom W.

        The way I read Rom. 13:1 is that we are to honor those in authority unless in doing so WE AS CHRISTIANS are forced to go against God’s commandments, then we are given the commandment to stand in opposition to such laws or forms of government. I thought Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. set an EXCELLENT example of how to fight like a Christian!!! Always on your knees asking for courage and strength!

      • SoCo Gal

        GOD didn’t put Obama in office, the ELECTORAL COLLEGE did.

        You seem to forget that “free will” thingee that we mortals were given. . .

        There is no “DIVINE INTERVENTION” when it comes to electing a President.

      • http://naver samurai

        Just remember these everyone:

        “The Smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of Order and Right, which Heaven itself Ordained.”

        George Washington

        I don’t think God is smiling at us now, do you? Maybe after we vote out the current pretender in office.

        “When he (Washington) took the oath of office, administered by Chancellor Robert Livingston of New York, Washington spontaneously added the words “So help me God” and kissed the Bible on which his right hand rested.”

        Tha American Presidents, David C. Whitney, pg. 12

        “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”

        Thomas Jefferson

        This quotation from Thomas Jefferson, carved on his memorial in Washington, D.C., epitomizes the philosophy to which he dedicated his life, his mind, and his eloquent pen.

        “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

        John Quincy Adams

        So we were founded a Christian nation, on Christian beliefs, and we need to ask God to help us in righting the course this country is currently taking. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Sandy Daniels

        I agree and I am quite wide awake.What this adminstration has been working hard for is the absorbtion of the US into the world government. First they had to destroy our economy so that the masses were desperate enough to reliquish their sovereignty for lack of food and services. Next, they have to disarm us so we have no power to restore the constitution or control our own fate. This is NOT the begging of the process this is the end run. This started 60 years ago and in some aspects, as far back as 100 years ago.
        The Bildeburgers laid out the whole plan for this result back in the 50′s. The question before us is, are the American people going to allow this? Will America end with a whimper? Or with the roar of the free people restoring the Constitution to it’s proper place? I know there are men here who have fought for this country Now people it’s your turn. First educate yourselves as to what the federal governments powers are and are not, this is clearly defined in our constitution. Then make your decision as to can be done to stop this. It’s either that or learn to love abject poverty and servitude with no honor no hope. Once the country falls there is no peacefull way back. It’s up to you. Face the factual truth or just sit back while events rip away your illusions.

        USMC,USN (ret)

      • Gustyj


        • T i m

          I agree with GustyJ. GOD DID NOT PUT OBAMA IN Washington . America is part of the g 2 0 WORLD GOVERNMENT . N W O gave AMERICA Obama , the DEmocrats …KNEW , ….They could depend on the greed of the welfare population , add the teachers union to it . GOD is allowing AMERICA to destroy ourselves . ..Remember last election , FRED THOMPSON wanted to bring AMERICA back to GOD . The Republican , party stopped all that , with the Democratic party help …..ALL POLITICS IS THE SAME . …………RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

      • Steve L.

        If your going to blame Obama for so much .you should follow with your stinging of Congress whose many members have been around long before Obama got there. Its incredible how americans are so quick to blame everything imaginable on this guy when we the voters are a hundred time more responsible for the state of affairs in this country..

    • boone1

      I FOR ONE HATE obama and what he stands for but Romney will lose to obama because romney is no better off than obama he’s for the NDAA and all the voting for Romney was a i’m writing in RON PAUL.LIKE I SAID ROMNEY IS A COMMIE LIKE obama you vote for Romney you have a white obama in the white house.

      • JUKEBOX

        You might as well vote for Obama & get the impending disaster you desire. The longest journey in the world began with one step, and getting rid of Obama is our first step.

      • ED


        I know many here want to vote for Ron Paul, Unfortunately, one vote for Ron Paul is as good as two votes for Obama.

        That was how Ross Perot took votes from Bush 1 (whether you like him or not).

        • T i m

          Contrar SIR ED, If the Paul supporters chalenge the Republican Convention , which looks very likely, and is allowed to prove the voter fraud and corruption , and overthrows the PRESUMPTIVE ROMNEY NOMINATION , ….RON PAUL WILL GET THE PEOPLES CHOICE NOMINATION , ….INSTEAD OF THE BUSH FAMILY INDOCTRINATION OF MITT ROMNEY . ………….1 st thing Dr. Paul needs to do , day after he signs in …………..GET RID OF THE DELEGATE PROCESS . The delegate process , OVER RULES THE PEOPLES CHOICE VOTE . …….State of Louisiana , peoples vote gave it to RICK SANTORUM . Delegate process gave it to ROMNEY . 1 0 0 0 0 people voted for Santorum . 1 5 state delegates gave it to Romney . This is ssoo wrong . I do not need a state delegate tell me who I am allowed to vote for . THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY , ALL OF CONGRESS KNOWS THIS . ………………..RON PAUL FOR PRSIDENT

      • r.j.

        I’m not a fan for Romney neither…but a vote for anyone other than him is a vote for the Obama. Remember he had 57 million zombies who voted for him the last time.

      • trw

        ron paul is not on the ballat and a vote for him is only a vote for obama wake up and vote for america mitt is not my choice either but i will vote for him over obama because he is less socialist then obama and will protect the constitution better where as obama has no regards to the constitution so wake up and do the right thing don`t waste your vote in anger

        • T i m

          I do not follow that , TRW. Ron Paul is the only political salvation for AMERICA , …ALBEIT , All politics is the same . If you saw RAND PAUL’s response to endorsing Mitt Romney , last week . RAND is required to support Romney because of the plege of allegience to the party . …State of Virginia tried to do the same thing at the primary voting station , BEFORE GINGRICH AND PERRY WENT TO COURT TO STOP IT . Virginia required a plege of allegience of ANY VOTE for the Republican party , before the person is allowed to vote . ……………………RON PAUL FOR PRSIDENT .

      • frank1737

        Boone 1,

        Why vote at all if your going to vote for Ron Paul? Your just being selfish & foolish! I really don’t like Romney, either but I will vote for him to get Obama the Hell out! If Romney does Not perform will, we can fire him too after 4 years!!

      • Da

        You sir are correct I too will vote”RON PAUL” If “GAYBAMA” wins there will be “civil war” so i’am not worried if MARXIST ROMNEY LOSES.

      • Tom W.

        I too agree that a vote for RP is a vote (or two) for O! But I swear I don’t see all that much difference between the two frontrunners except for a few shades of skin tone! I have to agree that Wayne has called Romney all along and I pray that his “common sense” handicapping is correct and not merely wishful thinking. I do have to say though, his track record IS pretty darn good! He may dress like a budget used car salesman (LOL!) but the dude knows his sh!t when it comes to handicapping the political ponies!!! Romney is as Wall St. as you get! There isn’t a Main St. bone in his body!!!

      • Vicki

        In this election cycle we will have 3 choices.

        obama spelled with an R
        Ron Paul.

        A vote for either of the first 2 is a vote for obama. All the illogical claims that a vote for Ron Paul totally miss the key point that obama with an R is still obama. The name is different. The policies are the same. Ron Paul, on the other hand, has a 25+ year history of supporting the Constitution thru word and deed (votes).

        So throw away your vote for the greater or lessor evil if you want but stop telling us that our vote for REAL change is a vote for the greater evil.

        It is not we who are splitting the vote. It is those who constantly vote for the lessor of 2 evils that split the vote. Just think. If all those people who CLAIM to be holding their nose and voting for obama with an R to get rid of obama would vote for Ron Paul he would win with a landslide AND get rid of obama in the process.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        It is because people REFUSE to stand up and do the right thing, that our country is in the situation it is in! If you vote for romney you are playing right into their hands! There is no difference between obummer and romney! They are the same thing! Republicans and democrats are the same thing! The two party system is an illusion to make you think you have a choice! It doesnt matter which party is in power! Nothing changes! It’s the same agenda! If you want things to change, YOU have to change! We had an opportunity to get our country back to the great nation that it once was with Ron Paul but you cowards were too afraid to choose. Now you’re trying to make others feel that the failure of this country will be on their shoulders if they dont vote for romney. Well it will be your fault! The definition of insanity is when you do something over and over and expect different results! Well if you think voting a republican into office will change anything, you are insane! Voting for the lesser of two evil is still evil! I will not vote for evil! I will write in Ron Paul’s name and when you get what you deserve, don’t blame me!

        Watch this video to understand!

      • Darrell Fortae

        I agree completely boone1. Ron Paul is going to be our next president.

      • Tom W.

        Do you have any of that you want to sell Darrell?! It’s GOTTA be da BOMB! LOL!!!

      • DaveH

        Frank says — “If Romney does Not perform will, we can fire him too after 4 years!!”.
        Yeah sure, Frank. I’ve been hearing that same lame kind of assertion for 35 years now and nothing has changed. If we don’t vote for Principled Politicians, we won’t get Principled Politicians.

      • http://naver samurai

        Well said Dave H. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • SailAway

        Recognize, at this point in history, America has a two-party system at the national level whether we like it or not. There is no viable third candidate and 5 months is not enough time to produce one. Say what you want about Romney being moderate or even liberal, at least when he was Governor of Massachusettes he did not violate the State Constitution. It is not irrational to conclude President Romney will not violate the U.S. Constitution. Understand, much of the damage BHO is doing to America he is doing outside of Congress and the Constitution. There is much to do to turn things around in America, but we cannot even take a first step if BHO is reelected. Even if the GOP retains its numbers in the House and gains a slight majority in the Senate, it will not have 60 seats in the Senate. If BHO is President then he can veto every piece of legislation presented by the Congress and there will not be enough votes to override any of the vetos.

        At least with Romney we have a chance to repeal obamacare by holding Romney and the GOP to their pledge to repeal it. Another term for BHO means obamacare becomes permanent. Don’t believe me, name a single entitlement program that has ever been terminated once passed. This is our only window of opportunity on this issue as I am not optimistic this SOTUS will strike down even the individual mandate, much less the whole law.

        Further, BHO is already ignoring federal court orders regarding oil drilling and implementation of obamacare, what makes anyone believe he will obey the SOTUS even if they strike down the individual mandate, or the entire law for that matter? Do you think the GOP has the stomach to go through impeachment? It takes a two-thirds vote in the Senate to convict even if the House is successful in impeaching the President. Do you really believe any of the democrats will vote to convict?

        No, the only option is to vote for Romney and as many conservative candidates for House and Senate as possible, then hold their feet to the fire until obamacare is repealed, the czars are eliminated, the borders are secure, NDAA is repealed, the regulations are rolled back, spending is cut by at least One Trillion Dollars per year, unemployment drops to 5%, marginal tax rates are lowered, capitol gains and death taxes are eliminated, and the economy begins to truly grow once more.

        While we are working on that we either reform the GOP from within or we begin building a third party at the local and state level to begin to challenge the other two parties in a serious way leading to a viable third party Presidential candidate.If ROn Paul is serious about improving America, then he should take his retirement from the House and use it to build this third party. If he has all the abilities his supporters claim, then this should be a trivial matter for his genius.

      • David A Deal

        This is for SoCo Gal – Yours wa sthe first level-headed statement I’ve read on this. Samurai I can give you may quotes by the Presidents you cited that show their disdain and mistrust of religion and Washington may not have done what you claim by what I have read and he refused to allow clergy near him on his death bed.

      • Guzx

        So Co Gal:

        Daniel 4: 17 The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones; to the intent that the living may know that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the lowest of men.

    • Larry

      naturalnews (dot)com/036100_death_panels_elderly_TIME_Magazine.html
      check this out the latest Time magazine cover

      • DaveH
      • Karolyn

        That’s crazy. However, I sure don’t want to be kept alive on a feeding tube or respirator or in constant pain.

      • Tom W.

        I’m sure no one else would want ya to either Karlolyn, LOL!!!

      • DaveH

        That’s great, Karolyn, but let’s not make that decision for other people.

      • Ron

        We already HAVE death panels.

        They’re called Insurance Companies.

        Haven’t you ever heard of Wendell Potter? He was a PR Vice President for CIGNA and he exposed the whole racket.
        Corporate America decides who lives and dies in America CONSTANTLY.

        They’re just clever enough to hide their role in the process.

      • Pat

        I am old, don’t feel like the Gov. should be able to require me to attend a Death Panel. We are still free, at least today we are. Need to get rid of Obamacare,

    • IDecided

      Wayne Allen Root will not predict this one correctly and I will Obama will win and then I will be put on the LV walk of stars.

      • msbets

        are you and nena related?????

      • frank1737

        I doubt if you can’t walk and talk at the same time because you are so [expletive deleted] stupid and assadine!

      • http://naver samurai

        OMG! What is your mental malfunction soldier? This sounds like what you and your ilk would want to do. Obama bin Laden may do the same if re-elected.

        I suggest that you wake up and see what is going on around you. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Karlrhody

        (Personal attack deleted)

      • http://google Jim

        Something familiar about the posts you and Nena have put on this board. Oh wait, its cannon fodder.

    • marine72Marine72

      Thank you for your astute comment.

    • pauline

      what people forget is the vote for obama in 2008 was not so much FOR obama, but AGAINST mccain. even repubs voted for obama. mccain is not running this time, so you can strike a lot of votes for obama off the list already. better to look at the states red or blue from 2000 and 2004. forget about what states obama won and by how much in 2008. it dont matter this time around. obama is in more trouble than he and the dems think.

      • MJG2112

        Close, but no cigar (IMO). Obama won using a very simple 1-2 strategy: 1. Every other candidate is similar to Bush; I am not similar to Bush; vote for me and 2. (inferred) Vote for me because of the color of my skin.

        The voters primarily voted for Obama because of their dissatisfaction with Bush and the war he is thought to have dragged the US into. In that environment, Mickey Mouse could have run and won using the same strategy (1. I am not Bush, 2. Vote for me because I am a mouse – a mouse has never been elected as POTUS)

    • Don

      God, I hope that guy is right. I hope that the mistake-in-the-White-House will be voted out of office. It would be better if he was arrested for being the fraud that he is and his administration is erased from history. I just have an uneasy feeling that Obama will win again because people just got stupid.

      • lora

        I share your fear…

      • GALT

        Hello again MR. Livingston, I am inserting my post here, because it precedes Mr. Thomas Gunn’s post just below…………

        I’m just pointing this out because it’s seems kinda long……..or course there is long and then there is long……..

        Sincerely, ( without wax )


      • Catherine Morrissey

        I’m afraid OB will find a way to win fraud being one way and this Marshal law scare.And he’s still a little to cockey for me.Like he has something up his sleeve.

    • Thomas Gunn

      The reason that Romney will “win” (qua – be appointed to) the presidency in November is easy to explain to those who are paying attention. Obama (the current appointee to the job) was to usher-in as much damaging marxist socio-ecomonic policy as possible; in order to further eradicate property rights as well as to position the US Dollar for its final collapse.

      However, the end-game intended for this country by the ruling class; must be executed by someone that they and the media can put forward as a “conservative” — someone they falsely portray as a “capitalist”; in order that they can ultimately discredit capitalism and free-market economics …to be replaced by full-on Corporate Socialism altogether. Much as JP Morgan is portrayed in our history books as the poster boy of capitalism, so too is Romney now portrayed as a “free market capitalist” as “evidenced” by his tenure in “the private sector”. Neither of these is true; as these men are MONOPOLISTS…….NOT Capitalists. True free-market capitalism (which consists in FAIR competition on a level playing field) is NOT COMPATIBLE with Monopolism (which depends upon UNFAIR competition, with rules skewed in the monopolist’s favor). It is for this reason; that TRUE free market capitalism depends upon the rule of law and proper regulatory oversight, to ensure that no monopolistic power can be acquired by a single individual or corpoation, thus ensuring the “level playing field”. This is clearly not how America operates today, as we see more and more corporate monopolies, and industry duopolies squeezing out small-business entrepreneurs on a daily basis; essentially FORCING the entire middle class into a life of corporate servitude, desparate for employment by some huge corporation, while being perpetually indepbted to the bank that owns them.

      The conundrum facing the American people today, is the same one that the colonists faced more then 230 years ago….it is about Property Rights, the value of your Labor. It is about centralized -vs- distributed ownership, of the means of production.

      The Romney presidency will be the final act, in a decades long theater of “false flag capitalism”; where this country has been incrementally and systematically driven further and further toward a socialist oligarchy; presided over by a small ruling elite cartel of monopolists and bankers. This is evident in the on-going consolidation of the huge global corporations involved in the fundamental activities on which we all depend (transportation, food, energy, communications, and healthcare).

      What America has been practicing since 1913 is NOT Free-Market Capitalism…..but CORPORATE MONOPOLISM; which is another form of centralized control of all means of production (the definition of SOCIALISM). Long ago, before most of us were even born, the USA was transformed into a Socialist Corporatocracy; while in the mean-time…..what they have done, is to indoctrinate the vast American population (through a corrupt unionized public education system, and the corporate-owned media) with the idea that we are a free market capitalist system (which is a lie). After the economy and the US Dollar along with it are finally collapsed, rendering most middle-class Americans into full-on poverty and perpetual debt-slavery, they will blame it on “evil capitalism”, instead of the actual corporate-socialism that we have been forced to live under for the past 50 years. This is the essense of “false-flag capitalism”.

      The Ascendence of Sociopaths in US Governance:

      As any intelligent observer surveys the world’s economic and political landscape today, he has to be disturbed – even dismayed and frightened – by the gravity and number of problems that mark the horizon. We’re confronted by economic depression, looming financial chaos, serious currency inflation, onerous taxation, crippling regulation, developing police states and, worst of all, the prospect of another major war. It seems almost unbelievable that we are talking about the US – which historically had been “the land of the free”.

      How did we get here? An argument can be made that miscalculation, accident, inattention and the like are why things have gone bad. Those elements do have a role, but it is minor. Potential catastrophe across the board can’t be the result of happenstance. When things go wrong on a grand scale such as we are witnessing in the US and the world today, it’s not just bad luck or inadvertence. It is by design; and it’s because of serious character flaws in one or many – or even all – of the players. So is there a root cause of all the problems I’ve cited? If we can find it, it may tell us how we personally can best respond to those problems.

      In the following commentary, I’m going to argue that the US government, in particular, is being overrun by the wrong kind of person. It’s a trend that’s been in motion for many decades but has now reached a point of no return. In other words, a type of moral rot has become so prevalent that it’s institutional in nature. There is not going to be, therefore, any serious change in the direction in which the US is headed until a genuine crisis topples the existing order. Until then, the trend will accelerate.

      The reason is that a certain class of people – sociopaths – are now fully in control of major American institutions. Their beliefs and attitudes are insinuated throughout the economic, political, intellectual and psychological/spiritual fabric of the US. What does this mean to the individual?

      It depends on your character. Are you the kind of person who blindly supports “my country right or wrong,” as did most Germans in the 1930s and 1940s, or the kind who dodges the “duty” to be a helpmate to murderers and thieves ? The type of passenger who goes down with the ship, or the type who puts on his life-jacket and looks for a life boat to save himself and his family ? The type of individual who supports the merchants who offer the fairest deal or the type who is gulled by splashy TV commercials?

      What the ascendancy of sociopaths means isn’t an academic question. Throughout history, the question has been a matter of life and death. That’s one reason America grew; every American (or any ex-colonial) has forebears who confronted the issue and decided to uproot themselves to go somewhere with better prospects. The losers were those who delayed thinking about the question until the last minute. I have often described myself, and those I prefer to associate with, as a “gamma” male. You may recall the ethologist’s characterization of the social interaction of rats as being between a few alpha rats and many beta rats, the alpha rats being dominant and the beta rats submissive. In addition, a small percentage are gamma rats that stake out prime territory and mates, like the alphas, but are not interested in dominating the betas. Gammas are more “individualist” in nature. The people most inclined to leave for the wide world outside and seek fortune elsewhere are typically gamma personalities.

      You may be thinking that what happened in places like Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Mao’s China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia and scores of other countries in recent history could not, for some reason, happen in the US. Actually, there’s no reason it won’t at this point. All the institutions that made America exceptional – including a belief in free-market (laissez-faire) capitalism, individualism, self-reliance and the restraints of the Constitution – are now only historical artifacts.

      On the other hand, the distribution of sociopaths is completely uniform across both space and time. Per capita, there were no more evil people in Stalin’s Russia, Hitler’s Germany, Mao’s China, Amin’s Uganda, Ceausescu’s Romania or Pol Pot’s Cambodia than there are today right here in the US. All you need is favorable conditions for them to bloom, much as mushrooms do after a rainstorm.

      Conditions for them in the US have become quite favorable. Have you ever wondered where the 50,000 people employed by the TSA to inspect, degrade, and humiliate you came from? Most of them are middle-aged. Did they have jobs before they started doing something that any normal person would consider demeaning? Most did, but they were attracted to – not repulsed by – a job where they wear a costume and abuse their fellow citizens all day long.

      Few of them (the TSA) can imagine that they’re shepherding in a police state as they play their roles in security theater. A reinforced door on the pilots’ cabin, and a two armed pilots is probably all that’s actually needed, although the most effective solution would be to hold each airline responsible for its own security and for the harm done if it fails to protect passengers and third parties. But the 50,000 newly employed are exactly the same type of people who joined the Gestapo – eager to help in the project of controlling everyone. Nobody was drafted into the Gestapo, it was a purely voluntary organization.

      Indeed, though we all know the old saying “power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”; what is more important to understand, is that the access to power, attracts the corruptible. As such, powerfully structured institutions will always become fundamentally corrupt, it is just a matter of time. The founders knew this, and for this reason, constructed the original US Government with LIMITED, and SEPARATED powers. Unfortunately, the sociopaths who have slowly and incrementally infiltrated our government over the past century; have successfully expanded, and consolidated their power. One of the best examples being Franklin Roosevelt, who during his 12 years in office, managed to appoint 8 of the 9 supreme court justices; ensuring that subsequently every socialist agenda passed through and signed into law; would remain forever on the books unchallenged.

      What’s going on here is an instance of Pareto’s Law. That’s the 80-20 rule that tells us, for example, that 80% of your sales come from 20% of your salesmen or that 20% of the population are responsible for 80% of the crime.

      As I see it, 80% of people are basically decent; their basic instincts are to live by the Boy Scout virtues, and the golden rule. 20% of people, however, are what you might call potential trouble sources, inclined toward doing the wrong thing when the opportunity presents itself. They might now be shoe clerks, mailmen or waitresses – they seem perfectly benign, living during normal times in a kind of “holding pattern”. They play baseball on weekends and pet the family dog. However, given the opportunity, they will sign up for the Gestapo, the Stasi, the KGB, the TSA, Homeland Security or whatever. Many are well intentioned but likely to favor force as the solution to any problem, particularly if they are charged with the authority to wield it.

      But it doesn’t end there, because 20% of that 20% are really bad actors. They are drawn to government and other positions where they can impose their will on other people and, because they’re enthusiastic about government, they rise to leadership positions. They remake the culture of the organizations they run in their own image. Gradually, non-sociopaths can no longer stand being there. They leave. Soon the whole barrel is full of bad apples. That’s exactly what’s happening today in the US.

      It’s a pity that Bush, when he was in office, made such a big deal of evil. He discredited the concept, and desensitized the American public to its existence right here in our own ranks. He made Boobus americanus think it only existed in a distant axis, in places like North Korea, Iraq and Iran – which were and still are irrelevant backwaters and arbitrarily chosen enemies. Bush trivialized the concept of evil and made it seem banal because he was such a fool. All the while real evil, very immediate and powerful, was growing right around him, and he lacked the awareness to see that he was fertilizing it by turning the US into a national security state after 9/11.

      Now, it is clearly out of control. The US is already in a truly major depression and on the brink of complete financial chaos and a currency meltdown. The sociopaths in government will react by redoubling the pace toward a police state domestically and starting yet another major war abroad, probably against Iran or North Korea. Since they are economically illiterate, they will just continue with what they know, quantitative easing, printing money, and bailouts for their corrupt Wall Street friends, eventually (soon actually) leading to hyperinflation. This is not a possibility, but an inevitability. To me, this is completely predictable. It’s what sociopaths do.

      There are seven characteristics I can think of that define a sociopath, although I’m sure the list could be extended.
      Sociopaths completely lack a conscience or any capacity for real regret about hurting people. Although they pretend the opposite.
      Sociopaths put their own desires and wants on a totally different level from those of other people. Their wants are incommensurate. They truly believe their ends justify their means. Although they pretend the opposite.
      Sociopaths consider themselves superior to everyone else, because they aren’t burdened by the emotions and ethics others have – they’re above all that. They’re arrogant. Although they pretend the opposite.
      Sociopaths never accept the slightest responsibility for anything that goes wrong, even though they’re responsible for almost everything that goes wrong. You’ll never hear a sincere apology from them.
      Sociopaths have a lopsided notion of property rights. What’s theirs is theirs, and what’s yours is theirs to “re-distribute”, or keep as they see fit. They therefore defend currency inflation and taxation as good things for you, while protecting themselves and their own assets from it.
      Sociopaths usually pick the wrong target to attack. If they lose their wallet, they kick the dog. If 16 Saudis fly planes into buildings, they attack Afghanistan.
      Sociopaths traffic in disturbing news, they love to pass on destructive rumors and they’ll falsify information to damage others.
      The fact that they’re chronic, extremely convincing and even enthusiastic liars, who often believe their own lies, means they aren’t easy to spot, because normal people naturally suffer from “normalcy bias”, and assume another person is telling the truth. They rarely have handlebar mustaches or chortle like Snidely Whiplash. Instead, they cultivate a social veneer or a mask of sanity that diverts suspicion. You can rely on them to be “politically correct” in public. How could a congressman or senator who avidly supports charities possibly be a bad guy? They’re expert at using facades to disguise reality, and they feel no guilt about it.

      Political elites are primarily, and sometimes exclusively, composed of sociopaths. It’s not just that they aren’t normal human beings. They’re barely even human, a separate subspecies, differentiated by their psychological qualities. A normal human can mate with them spiritually and psychologically about as fruitfully as a modern human could mate physically with a Neanderthal; it can be done, but the results won’t be good.

      It’s a serious problem when a society becomes highly politicized, as is now the case in the US and Europe. In normal times, a sociopath stays under the radar. Perhaps he’ll commit a common crime when he thinks he can get away with it, but social mores keep him reined in. However, once the government changes its emphasis away from protecting its citizens from force being used against them (the only proper role of government); to itself initiating force against its own citizens with onerous laws, taxes, and confiscation of their property; those social mores break down. Peer pressure, social approbation and moral opprobrium, the forces that keep a healthy society orderly, are replaced by regulations enforced by cops and funded by taxes. Sociopaths sense this, start coming out of the woodwork and are drawn to the State and its bureaucracies and regulatory agencies, where they can get licensed and paid to do what they’ve always wanted to do: gain power over their fellow citizen and then abuse it.

      It’s very simple, really. There are two ways people can relate to each other: voluntarily or coercively. The government is pure coercion, and sociopaths are drawn to its power and authority to use force.

      The majority of Americans will accept the situation for two reasons:

      One, they have no philosophical anchor to keep them from being washed up onto the rocks. They no longer have any real core beliefs, and most of their opinions – e.g., “We need national health care,” “Our brave troops should fight evil over there so we don’t have to fight it over here,” “The rich should pay their fair share” – are reactive, comforting, and emanate from the daily bombardment of propaganda media. The whole point of spin doctors is to produce comforting sound bites that elude testing against reality.

      And, two, they’ve become too pampered and comfortable, a nation of overfed losers, mooches and coasters who like the status quo without wondering or caring how long it can possibly last. They prefer to hide comfortably behind the lie, rather than to deal with the uncomfortable truth; or are simply oblivious to it due to their normalcy bias.

      It’s nonsensical to blather about the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave when reality TV and Walmart riots are much closer to the truth. The majority of Americans are, of course, where the rot originates – the presidential candidates are spending millions taking their pulse in surveys and polls and then simply regurgitating back to them from a teleprompter, what they all want to hear. Once a country buys into the idea that an above-average, privileged lifestyle is everyone’s minimum due, when the fortunate few can lobby for special deals to rake something off the table as they squeeze wealth out of others by force, that country is on the decline. Lobbying and taxation rather than production and innovation have never been able to sustain prosperity.

      The wealth being squeezed took centuries to produce, but it is not inexhaustible.

      In that light, it was interesting to hear Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee, speak about the lower, middle and upper classes recently. Romney is an empty suit, only marginally better than the last Republican nominee, the hostile and mildly demented John McCain. In any event, Romney is right about the poor, in a way – there is a “safety net,” now holding 50 million people on Medicaid and 46 million on food stamps, among many other supposed benefits. And he’s right about the rich; there’s no need to worry about them at the moment – at least until the revolution starts. He claims to worry about the middle class, not that his worries will do anything to help them. But he’s right that the middle class is where the problem lies……. It’s just a different kind of problem than he thinks.

      People generally fall into an economic class because of their psychology and their values. Each of the three classes has a characteristic psychological profile. For the lower class, it’s apathy. They have nothing, they’re ground down, devoid of hope, and so they don’t really care. They’re not in the game, and they aren’t going to do anything; they’re resigned to their fate, of accepting whatever scraps are thrown to them. For the upper class, it’s greed and arrogance. They have everything, and they think they deserve it – whether they do or not. The middle class – at least in today’s world – is run by fear. Fear that they’re only a paycheck away from falling into the lower class. Fear that they can’t pay their debts or borrow more. Fear that they don’t have a realistic prospect of improving their quality of life, while they are constantly bombarded by the media with false hope, that their lot will improrve and their future will eventually be secured; both of which are a lie.

      The problem is that fear is a negative, dangerous and potentially explosive emotion. It can easily morph into anger and violence. Exactly where it will lead is unpredictable, but it’s not a good place. One thing that exacerbates the situation is that all three classes now rely on the government, albeit in different ways. Bankruptcy of the government will affect them all drastically.

      With sociopaths in charge, we could very well see the Milgram experiment reenacted on a national scale. In the experiment, you may recall, researchers asked members of the public to torture subjects (who, unbeknownst to the people being recruited, were paid actors) with electric shocks, all the way up to what they believed were lethal doses. Most of them did as asked, after being assured that it was “alright” and “necessary” by men in authority. The men in authority today are mostly sociopaths.

      WHAT TO DO

      One practical issue worth thinking about is how you (assuming that you are someone with TRADITIONAL AMERICAN – qua – libertarian – values), will manage in a future increasingly controlled by sociopaths. My guess is poorly, unless you take action to insulate yourself. That’s because of the way almost all creatures are programmed by nature. There’s one imperative common to all of them: Survive! People obviously want to do that as individuals. And as families. In fact, they want all the groups that they’re members of to survive, simply because (everything else being equal) it should help them to survive as individuals. So individual Marines want the Marine Corps to survive. Individual Rotarians want the Rotary Club to prosper. Individual Catholics leap to the defense of the Church of Rome.

      That’s why individual Germans during World War II were, as has been asserted, “willing executioners” – they were supporting the Nazis for the same reasons the Marines, the Rotarians and the Catholics support their groups. Except more so, because the Reich was under attack from all sides. So of course they followed orders and turned in their neighbors who seemed less than enthusiastic. Failing to support the Reich – even if they knew it had some rather unsavory aspects – seemed an invitation to invading armies to come and rape their daughters, steal their property and probably kill them. So of course the Germans closed ranks around their leaders, even though everyone at the top was a sociopath. You can expect Americans to do the same.

      Americans have done so before, when the country was far less degraded. During the War Between the States, even saying something against the war was a criminal offense. The same was true during World War I. In World War II, the Japanese-Americans were all put in concentration camps on groundless, racially based suspicions of disloyalty. The examples are legion among humans, and the US was never an exception. It’s even true among chickens. If a bird has a feather out of place, the others will peck at it, eventually killing it. That out-of-place feather is deemed a badge of otherness announcing that its owner isn’t part of the group. Chicken Autre must die.

      True Conservatives (not RINOS or Neo-Cons), Individualists, and Libertarians, who tend to be more intelligent, better informed and very definitely more independent than average, are going to be in a touchy situation as the crisis deepens. Most aren’t going to buy into the groupthink that inevitably accompanies war and other major crises. As such, they’ll be seen as unreliable, even traitors. As Bush said, “If you’re not with us, you’re against us.” And, he might have added, “the Constitution be damned.” But of course that document is no longer even given lip service; it’s now a completely dead letter.

      It’s very hard for an individualist to keep his mouth shut when he sees these things going on. But he’d better keep quiet, as even HL Mencken wisely did during both world wars. In today’s world, just keeping quiet won’t be enough; the national security state has an extensive, and growing, file on everybody. They believe they know exactly what your beliefs, desires, fears and associations are, or may be. What we’re now facing is likely to be more dangerous than past crises. If you’re wise, you’ll relocate someplace where you’re something of an outsider and, by virtue of that fact, are allowed a measure of eccentric opinion. In truth, however, security is going to be hard to find anywhere in the years to come. The most you can hope for is to tilt the odds in your favor.

      The best way to do that is by diversifying your assets internationally. Allocating your wealth into real assets (gold and silver). Linking up with sound, like-minded people who share your values. And staying alert for the high-potential speculations that inevitably arise during chaotic times.

      And finally, the last and most important puzzle piece that sadly fits in place for the fall of the US is its astounding debt crisis. Real property rights and homes will be further confiscated through more onerous property taxation. This will eventually be extended to any other REAL assets individuals might hold, such as gold and silver; as FDR did in the 1930′s declaring gold ownership as illegal. More controls over the labor market will be instituted through high unemployment (with concurrent propaganda claims to the contrary, as we already see false reporting of declining unemployment numbers). The inevitable hyperinflation that is to come, will NOT affect the value of your property assets (they won’t appreciate — and those will by and large already have been confiscated). The hyperinflation will NOT be accompanied by a proportional incurease in your earnings to compensate; since the semi-controlled labor market always lags inflation by several years; and hyperinflation is a far more rapid degeneration in direct buying power, than any possible consequent increase in salary or wage that you can expect, which will be off-set by skyrocketing tax increases anyway. Instead, the inevitable hyperinflation to come will render the basic cost-of-living in America as unaffordable to most of the middle class. The cost of food, water, transportation, and communications will skyrocket. Low-wage earners will find that the cost of just getting to and from work, will make it counerproductive to even have a job. Thanks to “Obamacare” (which is not a law about providing REAL health CARE, but is about forcing individuals to purchase health INSURANCE……. administered by financial bureaucrats rather than doctors), REAL medical care will be rationed or difficult to obtain if at all, but EVERYONE will be FORCED to perpetually pay for and retain a substandard insurance policy whether they want it or not.

      The globalist model has ensured that there is no safe haven, even for those with the knowledge and skill to identify and find one. All fiat currencies, the US$, the Euro, the Yen, are disintegrating in value and yet the printing presses are run with reckless abandon. To some of us, it is becoming obvious that this process is accelerating, rapidly. On the eve of electing (– qua — validating); yet another corrupt presidential administration; the propaganda ministry is in over-drive with false-hope reporting. On May 23rd, a CNN celebrity actually claimed before millions of viewers, that “recent signs of a housing recovery could lead to a restoration of America’s AAA credit rating”, ignoring fundamental ecnomic principals that the latter is entirely unrelated to the former and such an assertion is therefore utter nonsense. Just hours later it was reported by the London Finanicial Times; that another increase in the US debt ceiling would lead directly to yet another downgrade in the US rating. Meanwhile, aside from reporting false economic data, the US media hype spends most of the rest its valuable air-time on subjects such as, gay marriage, Tiger Woods’ ex-wife’s new love interest, the Trayvon Martin shooting, free contraception for Georgeown University students, and the next American Idol.

      Once again, be advised….neither Obama, nor Romney; both sociopathic narcissits, has the skill, the knowledge, the capability, or the will to change the self-destructive trajectory that this country has been on for decades. On the contrary, they have both been charged, by the nation’s clandestine ruling class, with the same responsibility; to destroy the dollar, eradicate individual property rights, further enslave the middle-class to an unescapable system of perpetual debt servitude, and bring the US another step closer to being a subservient lackey to the United Nations and their vision for “Global Governance”. And lest those voters who believe that a Romney presidency would be less damaging to the few remnants of the Republic than an Obama presidency; remember that in selecting the lesser of two evils….one is still selecting evil. It won’t matter whether it will be Romney or Obama who sits in the White House, because the only difference between the two are their tan lines. Only those with the foresight to prepare for the shifting trends that lie in store for us, have a shot at survival during the challenging times ahead.

      Are we past the point of no return ? It certainly appears so, but that doesn’t mean we should give up trying to recapture this country from the usurpers. To paraphrase Thomas Jeffersion; An American Revolution intent on liberty and justice for all; will never end.

      Therefore……..In the mean-time…. VOTE RON PAUL ……….Good Luck….and keep your powder dry.

      “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies, and the issuing power (of money) should be taken from the banks and restored to the people (Congress), to whom it properly belongs.” — Thomas Jefferson

      • Liberty Lover

        Thank you for a truly brilliant essay!! It’s worth more than the summation of all the other posts to this thread.

      • david

        WOW! most Ron Paul fans just say RON PAUL 2012! but I must say you took it to a whole new level. Very Impressive, but I still won’t vote vote for Paul.

        • Thomas Gunn

          I’m not a “fan” of any politician. I’m an American Citizen, and as such, am obligated to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. Ron Paul is the only Statesman who espouses these same values. THAT is why I support him to be president….NOT because I’m a “Fan” as you put it.

          Rock stars have fans. Idiots in Hollywood have “Fans”, who follow them out of media-induced popularity. The media has done everything possible to make Ron Paul Un-popular; and those who support him do so out of PRINCIPLE…..NOT POPULARITY. We (Ron Paul supporters) are Not “Fans”…… We Are AMERICANS, who think and act for ourselves, instead of letting the corrupt popular media do our thinking for us. Please don’t insult my intellegence again.

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      • Deerinwater

        Good read, I don’t know where you got it or if it’s a summation of your own thoughts but it rings clear.

        There is not very many Type “C” personalities about in compassion to A’s , B’s and S’s.

      • SoCo Gal

        Great Post Thomas Gunn

        Here’s some food for thought for the nay-sayers, the “anyone but Obama crowd” – we still have a CHOICE.


        Eisenhower warned us of the INDUSTRIALIZED MILITARY COMPLEX. Right now the U.S. is the epitome of it. We have been in more wars since the Korean war than any other time in U.S. history.

        BOOMERS were BORN into wartime, so that means that THEIR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN have ONLY known war-time and very little peace in their lives. Remember when they used to put up U.S. BODY COUNTS during the Vietnam war?

        We are so de-sensitized to it, we don’t even want to know the numbers of our military being killed DAILY in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria and now BOTH MItt and OBUMMER want to go to war with IRAN. (expletive deleted) – how many wars can one country be in at one time????



        Am I getting it right that the people who current support Mitt are saying that if Dr. Ron Paul TAKES the REPUBLICAN NOMINATION that they will NOT vote for him?

        ANYONE but Obama but NOT Dr. Ron Paul???

        I SWEAR the world has gone insane

        • T i m

          Broke my heart to read RAND PAUL has jumped ship from Daddy RON , and endorsed Romney . ..THE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS MUST SCREAM LOUDER THAN THE REST DURING THE CONVENTION . I pray to god , GOD WILL PERFORM HIS MIRACLE and RON PAUL WINS . ……………… RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

      • annebeck58

        Nice post, Thomas Gunn.
        I completely agree with the sentiment; America, wake up, and vote RON PAUL!

      • Vic

        Great post. I was already going to vote for Dr Paul and have educated many of my friends on who he is and what he stands for. Unfortunately, you will have yr sheeple zombie useful idiots like David that enjoy being enslaved and cheering for frauds.

      • Ted Crawford

        We can, FINALLY, put the Ron Paul candidacy to bed! Rand Paul just endorsed Mitt Romney! Now let’s move foward to a Republican victory in November!

      • SailAway

        Though there is a lot of good thought in your treatise, you fail to offer a solution. Since Ron Paul by his own act of endorsing Mitt Romney has demonstrated he will not be President, there remains one non-lethal option to try to restore some sanity to governance and that option is to vote for Mitt Romney. I do not know if we will be able to make things better or not with Romney as President, but unless you are advocating an actual revolution, which you did not seem to be doing, then your suggestion of voting for Ron Paul is not rational as it does even less to try to turn things around than voting for Romney since it ensures BHO will win. You cannot actually believe with Paul endorsing Romney that somehow Paul will be the nominee as that would mean you are beyond irrational and have become insane. Please rethink this notion that a vote for Paul is anything but a vote for BHO.

        • Thomas Gunn

          Naturally, my comment was posted before any endorsement of Romney by the Paul camp was made public. Of course, I had remained hopeful to the bitter end that Dr. Paul could manage an upset win of the nomination; but that is clearly impossible now (thanks in large part to the propaganda media’s penchant for perverting the news).

          However, I stand by my commentary; that Romney will most likely (this is a statement of probability….OK?)… offer nothing but more of the status quo; at least that’s my expectation. He has PROMISED, to make his first act if elected, to work toward a repeal of “Obamacare”. I DO NOT believe him. He, like Obama, will say anything in order to attain a position of power; for that is his primary goal.

          But, hopefully, he will surprise us, and for once in his career, keep his word…….I doubt it, but time will tell.

          Ron Paul on the other hand, has ALWAYS kept his word. He has NEVER flip-flopped. He is the only honest man in government, the only true statesman to have come along in more than 50 years, and the only man of integrity that entered this presidential primary. Of ALL of the candidates who ran in the Republican Primary, as well as Obama….Dr. Paul is the ONLY veteran of the US military. He and he alone, is the most qualified to serve as commander in chief. These are facts…………and not only my opinion. This country has missed an unprecedented opportunity, to put the BEST man for the job, actually IN the job.

          The spineless cowards (qua — “Sheeple”) in this country that supported Romney during the primaries for this nomination, will 2 years from now; WISH they had supported Paul instead. Of this I’m certain. You may disagree, and I respect that, so if you are devoted to TRUTH, more-so than wanting to be “right”…….as I am….then do yourself a favor…..keep an open mind, and print out this response and stick it on your refrigerator. Then, 2 or 3 years after the presidential election….IF Romney wins the White House… this again, and decide whether or not Mr. Romney indeed kept his word. I suspect, he will not. Hopefully, I”m wrong.

          Furthermore, in response to your rather offensive assessment of my “sanity”, it should be plainly obvious to any reader with a rudimentary command of the English language, that my series of posts in which I discuss “voting for Ron Paul”, were all CLEARLY in the context of the primary (not the general election); as I believe (and will continue to do so); that he was our best and last hope, to re-capture constitutional authority for the citizenry of this once-great nation.

          Clearly, anyone who is a true constitutional conservative would NEVER support another Obama presidency. I certainly didn’t support this past one. But as I’ve said before, a Romney presidency, as the “lesser of two evils”….will still be evil.

          Unfortunately, the Marxist powers that control our media and our current government; saw to it that Dr. Paul and his message of liberty would be marginalized, and trivialized for a long enough period of time during this primary season; so as to ensure that Romney would be shoved down the throats of the true conservatives in this country; as the de-facto Republican nominee. It is pretty clear then, that Romney is as much of a media-whore this time around; as Obama was in 2007-2008. That is all the evidence I need to conclude that he is “owned” by the same people as Obama. That should be plainly obvious to anyone who is paying attention. It will be interesting to see what favors he pays back, to those who shoved him down our throats throughout every primary debate and state caucus. Only then will it be revealed to whom he is now beholden…..and it will NOT be to: We the People.

          The propaganda ministry has clearly been successful in their endeavor; so it is abundantly clear that we again; are FORCED, to concede yet another election; to the ILLUSION of having a choice; while in fact; we yet again have NO Choice. I firmly believe that Romney, and Obama work for the same cartel; and I can firmly re-state my prediction; that nothing substantive will change for the people in this country; in terms of restoring constitutionally protected individual sovereignty, regardless of which of them winds up residing in the White House. If Romney PROVES me Wrong, I will be the first one in line to support his re-election for a second term; but I have no reason to believe that he will suddenly morph into a man of the same caliber of integrity and character as that of Ron Paul.

          Be that as it may, Romney will be the nominee that we are stuck with. As such, time will tell whether or not I’m right. As one who is devoted to TRUTH, I don’t really care about being “right” and for the sake of this country, for the sake of my family, and of my son and his future……I hope that I am wrong, and that Mr. Romney will surprise us; but I’m not going to hold my breath.

          Ron Paul was a “sure thing”; for everyone can be certain that what he put forth as his intentions as president…….. to restore the constitution, to restore personal liberty, to restore REAL PROPERTY RIGHTS for individuals……that he would most certainly have followed through. I for one prefer to bet on a “sure thing”, rather than a charlatan in a $5000 suit. Ron Paul is the ONLY man in government that has demonstrated the integrity time and time again to keep his word. That is something that cannot be said for anyone else, including Romney.

      • Mimi

        Lordy Mr. Gunn,

        I’m glad someone liked your endless article. You must have an ego and a half! Isn’t Obama enough? Go and vote Obama in already and leave us in peace. I believe we finally have a real chance of throwing him out, and though there are liberal Republicans, they aren’t anywhere near the mindset of the left. A great many Americans have finally opened their eyes, through trial and tribulations. No Republican will gut the military. No Republican will be so ignorant and so full of hate as the Democrats. Remember George Bush had to deal with a Democrat majority in his second term, and though he tried to get oversight into Fanny Mae and Freddie Mack, the Democrats stopped him. All the things Democrats accuse Republicans of, is transference, in other words, just the opposite. It is they themselves who want bigger, more intrusive, richer government. And while he got blamed for Katrina (and the lies worked, as they usually do), he in fact warned Louisiana days ahead to be prepared. It was the governor and mayor that didn’t give a damn. ( Just look it up, under Katrina, I did). All of you who think voting for Ron Paul on principal, are either delusional, or liberal Democrats in disguise (not much of one either). As I said in the beginning, just tell it like it is, you want Obama in, and all he and they stand for. We at least have a chance of change with Mr. Romney, because a lot of conservative people were voted in, in 2010. Hopefully, they will get rid of Obamacare, (the bill that had to be passed, without our knowing what was in it), start securing our borders, instead of suing a state for trying to. Get rid of the corrupt head of the DOJ, Eric Holder, Pelosi, Jarrett, Reid (or at least dilute him). Pass a fair tax code, and get rid of the unbelievable regulations this administration has passed and continues to turn out every day, to kill businesses across the nation. If you believe the lies being told about the economy getting better, come to Connecticut, and see the closed store fronts, the car dealers who went under, the For Sale signs of homes, that no one can afford anymore and are fleeing the state. The rusted cars, we haven’t seen in decades. Everyday, we hear more businesses and chain stores closing. If Obama and his minions succeed with gutting another 500 million dollars from the military, 35,000 jobs will be lost in Ct. And the businesses that depend on those people. Without a strong military, we are sitting ducks for all the radical countries, just waiting to attack us. Think people, it’s just common sense. Also, according to our own Constitution, the primary responsibility of the government, is to protect the country and its citizens. The rest of what government is doing is against what it was supposed to be doing. Read the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, etc. Be literate about what the Founders wanted for the Republic.

      • T i m

        Mr. Gunn, you lost me after 1 st sentence . Your next statement made more sense . EVEN SO , maybe a reason you may feel insulted , EVERY ONE ELSE , IS SUPPORTING THE STATUS QUO , BUSINESS ASUSUAL . …I feel like , if romney is it , NOTHING CHANGES , EXCEPT THE NAME ON THE DOOR . ……………..RON PAUL FOR PRSIDENT .

      • lyn

        Thomas Gunn- Thank you for the time and thought you put into this cohesive and poignant post. What you expressed has been on mind mind for a long time now. Hopefully those who don’t get it – will get it now. Truth always prevails even if it takes time. Though I am not sure just how much time we have left to make inroads to a positive change, I do know that integrity is one of the most important facets of character needed to affect the compassionate change this country so urgently needs.

      • Patricia Smith

        Thomas Gunn you are so right. Recently read “High Treason” by Groden & Livingstone and parts of a book by Colonel Fletcher Prouty called “Secret Team”; a group of “players” who can orchestrate the activities of the US Government. Industry, big business, the military complex, big banks and big lawyers. (This is in today’s news all the time). Colonel Prouty states that this has been going on since 1959 or 60 but certainly since the “murder” of JFK. In my opinion the CIA, who was very much involved with the killing of JFK started this trend, which is evident today, but now all branches of our Government are corrupt and useless to the American people. Rep’s and Dem’s are one and the same with one common goal. That One World Government is closer than we think. My age today will limit the heartbreak and loss of my America, but I fear for future generations. I always new that I would wright in Ron Paul for President because I still have the right to vote as I please.

        • Thomas Gunn

          Thank You Patricia. I too and quite distressed over what is unfoliding in America. I actually coined the term “false flag capitalism” in a book I wrote ten years ago; when I then theorized that “American capitalism” as we have known it in our lifetimes, is a fraudulent deception; and is nothing resembling “true – qua – Constitutional Capitalism.

          However, the longer we can delay the “final conversion” (from corporate to marxist socialism); in America, the more likely we can reverse the course back to constitutional freedom; without having to endure a complete collapse leading to violent revolution (which would be in no-one’s best interest).

          In that regard, I am honestly “on the fence” about the idea of “writing in” Ron Paul, for president. On one hand, that is indeed the “right thing to do”. However, at some level; I tend to believe what Josef Stalin said more than 70 years ago; “It matters not who votes…..what matters is….. who counts the votes”.

          I have such a low opinion of where this system is today; that I have no confidence in there being any level of integrity or honesty in our elections system. That is blatantly clear; from the media-blackout and the “propaganda by omission” against Dr. Paul; that has been perpetrated by the MSM not just since the beginning of this term’s republican primary, but as well during the previous election. It was during the 2007-2008 campaign; that I realized fully; that Fox (FAUX) News, was as fundamentally corrupt in their reporting, as any of the other degenerate “TV-opinion rags”. I remember vividly, Sean Hannity’s ridiculous and offensive rant, about Ron Paul which was completely flawed in its logic. It is ironic, and beyond disappointing to think, that nowadays we can obtain more objective and honest reporting, from RT (Russian TV) news channel, than we can from CNN, FOX, MSNBC, or any of the other rags we have in this country.

          But I digress. My point, is that I have no level of confidence that even if 100% of the American voters “wrote in” Ron Paul as the best man to occupy the White House (which he in fact is); that he would still be precluded from winning the election. Romney has already been chosen by the ruling class global banking aristocracy, just as Obama was chosen bewfore him; and just as Bush had been chosen before “Barry Soetero”. …..etc. etc…. and so-on all the way back to Woodrow Wilson, when this “conversion” actually began. Case-in-point: The Florida “recount’, during the Bush-Gore contest, only happened because the frauduent voting system in Florida failed to provide the win; to the already chosen winner…so they had to go back and “correct the anomalies”.

          At the end fo the day; the most important milestone that must be achieved next; is to get Obama out office. Because, he indeed is a devout Communist, in the Marx tradition. During his next term; he may be in a position to appoint another 3 Supreme Court justices…..this would be the biggest dister to the United States since FDR (who himself appointed 8 of the 9; which is the basic reason that today, we have the courrpt and dysfunctional systems of Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid; all of which have remained unchallenged as to their constutionality.

          I obviously cannot speak for them; but I believe that Ron Paul and Rand Paul likely have the same conclusions, and it is for that reason; that Rand Paul has recently stated his support for Romney. With that, in parallel with the enormous support that Dr. Ron Paul has garnered from those of us in this country who actually have a brain; they both believe that our best hope going forward, is to deal with the inevitable; by letting the RNC (Republican National Committee) know; that WE KNOW, that we are being duped against our will; into accepting Romeny as the defacto Nominiee, but in this case; they are ON NOTICE: OK, If it’s Romney you want, then fine…..we’ll “use him” to get Obama out…..but Ron Paul’s constituency — Those devoted to Liberty, Property Rights, and the US Constitution; will be “camping” on Romney’s front door; and he had better be listening to US, more than his bankster buddies who are putting him there; because what comes during his “presidency” is going to be up to him…..and up to US. In other words, we may be better off, driving INFLUENCE over the entire Republican party; rather than trying to “write in” Ron Paul, which more than likely, may be just a futile gesture anyway.

          In any case, I could be wrong, which is what I mean when I say, “I’m on the fence”; but we are dealing with forces here, that can only be subject to speculation.

          Whetever you decide to do, the most important is to be devoted to TRUTH, and to remain a loud and resounding voice for liberty, property rights, and the US Constitution. Socialism, in any form, is fundamentally evil. There is no such thing, as “a little socialism”…..that is like being “a little pregnant”…. once it starts….it only gets bigger. It is YOUR vote, so cast it as YOU see fit, regardless of what anyone on this or any anonymous blog says……If it makes you “feel better” to “write in” Ron Paul; then maybe that is what you should do. As for me, I still haven’t yet decided to be honest. I have been and will continue to be an ARDENT, DEVOTED, and LOUDLY VOCAL Ron Paul supporter; but my practical sense, compels me to first and foremost, do whatever is necessary to remove the current incompetent poser from office.

    • http://Freedombird Jon Watkins

      my concern is if Obama leaves what the hell is Romney going to do. I believe Obama would have a fighting chance if those “knuckle heads” in the senate would back him. Just a thought and a huge concern. I feel sorry for our Vets, children and grandchildren.
      Jon Watkins-Vietnam Veteran

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      • Mimi

        Mr. Watkins,

        I can hardly believe that you feel that way. Obama has had 3 1/2 years to make good. Everything he has done has destroyed the economy. He is anti-military, and that’s something you should be aware of. At least the Republicans believe in a strong America, with an up to date military. What in the world do you think he’ll do, if reelected? America will be destroyed, because that is his objective. From his own book, he wrote: ” If the winds take an ugly turn, I will stand with the Muslims!” He is the enemy!

    • lou

      That’s all we need, replace Obama with a Cult member.

      • Mimi

        With brains like yours, we are finished. Thank God, at least half the country does still have theirs.

    • Dan Stewart

      Anyone remember Lisa Murkowski? Notwithstanding the ‘complexities’ of a “ski” in her name, she won her US Senate seat on a write-in campaign. Conversely, what easier name is there for a voter to recall and then spell than ‘Ron Paul?’ (Strictly a humorous observation of coarse…)

    • Michelle

      After accidently receiving this tripe publication in my mailbox it is perfectly evident to me why you Republicans are a bunch of crazy, rude, SOB’s.(Speaking of SOB’s)
      I have never seen such a load in my lifetime…unless it was on a farm.
      Tell Nena that educated Americans are out here fighting for her rights……
      Good Luck you crazy TEABOTS.

      • Liberty Lover

        Did Barack put you up to this, Michelle?

  • debbie dewitz

    after watching this I will bet on Obama

    • Anders Behring

      And thus you will lose. But don’t let me bust your bubble.

      • MNIce

        I’d guess she buys lottery tickets, too. It’s the same principle – someone very desperate figures she doesn’t have enough money to do anything, so she bets what she has on extremely long odds in the hope that a gigantic payoff will come through. Of course, whoever takes her bet almost certainly has just taken money off a poor woman.

        It’s wiser to save that money – if you put the lottery money in a jar every time you would have otherwise bought a ticket, eventually (and not as far away as you might think) you would have enough to do something!

    • Rob

      Barack is bad for America. Wake up before it is too late. Anybody want to be like Europe?

      • Joe

        Do you feel it because he black the reason the United States is in the mess is the white man not black. you had 43 President and they all was white who should we blame the THE WHITE MAN.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Joe, don’t turn this into a racial thing. There are racists on both sides. His race has nothing to do with the fact that he’s trying to turn our country to socialism. He is destroying our rights and freedoms. Now, that’s not to say romney will be any better. He won’t! You are right about the “white men” getting us into this mess but it has nothing to do with color. It is greed and lust for money that has gotten into this mess. Don’t be distracted by color. Insist that our representatives represent us! You have to admit that obummer hasn’t done anything to improve the conditions of black people. Don’t be fooled. he is no different from the rest except that he’s rushing us toward a communistic country. He is a communist plant. Only ignorant people will let race divide us. Don’t be one of them.

      • Medalrider

        @Joe – Did YOU vote for him BECAUSE he’s black???!!! Well guess what – his absolute incompetence has NOTHING to do with his skin color!! YOU demean him by bringing race into this! Shame on YOU!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Rob, you’re the one who needs to wake up. We’re already worse off than Europe. It’s just being hidden. The bankers are swapping interest rates (derivatives) that are making our currency appear stronger than it is. People are rushing to the dollar to get out of the Euro but the dollar is actually worse. Collapse is coming! It’s only a matter of when, not if. The bankers are up to their necks in derivatives which is what brought the crash in 2008. But then they had $176 trillion and now they have $244 trillion. It’s all a game to see how long they can put it off. You and I will be the losers!

      • Brad

        So accordinfg to Joe we are racist if we dont vote for the wigger? Joe he is not 100% black, and where did black come into Waynes’s article? You are racist Joe.

      • Wim Vonk

        Depends what Europe you refer to. Norway is one example of a very well run country and so are some of the other Skandinavian countries.
        all of Europe is not as bad as the southern countries like Italy and Spain. And the debt in the US is worse than Europe. Wake up if you think you are better off than Europe.

      • JUKEBOX

        Did you not know that Obama is half a$$ white, so smoke that over.

      • Rebecca

        Joe, The performance of the President has nothing to do with skin color. He is just as white as he is black in fact. That would be like saying I was a Native American president or an Italian president since I have both ethnic backgrounds.

        Fact is…Obama is a sorry president. We have had sorry ones before….I agree…skin color was not a factor then and is not a factor now. Stop trying to play the race card. It’s old and it’s tired and frankly, not relevant.

      • Ron

        Or maybe we’d become like (*Gulp* I just threw up a little in my mouth trying to say this…) Canada??? God hates filthy, rotten Canada!

        But He loves Mexico!

        ‘Know why? NO BIG GOVERNMENT. You can get somebody killed down there for a few hundred bucks. There’s lots of kidnappings and shootings among the middle class and poor people, but who cares?

        Rich people are doin’ okay, so…what’s not to like?

      • Dave

        Joe, if you are as closed minded as you are illiterate and obviously black, it’s no wonder you blame the whites for your problems.As long as you wander in the fields of racism and self pity you will never be anything but dumb and black. Look at all the blacks that have done something for themselves because they had the balls and gumption to do something with their lives besides whine. Clarence Thomas, Collin Powell, Conoleeza Rice ,and the list goes on. Go back to your dope and self pity and leave decent folks alone.

      • http://naver samurai

        Joe has played the race card. Classic 5th column strategy.

        “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow then that I believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”

        John Adams

        These are what we should be going by and not the ways of socialism, welfare, and people being lazy and not wanting to work. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • T i m

        NANCY IN NEBRASKA , this thing IS about racism . THE WELFARE POPULATION IS BIGGER THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN , add the teachers union to it . The cash for clunkers 3 years ago was created for the welfare population . SOCIAL SECURITY PAID FOR IT ALL …………………..RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

      • David A Deal

        Medalrider- Obama is little different from any other democrat president yet he has caught more heel, faced more ridicule, dealt with more obstructionism from the Rethuglican legislature and had BY FAR more completely false stuff written about him than any Democrat before and there IS ONLY one real difference between he and other Democrat presidents before him and we all know what that is despite the protestations and hollow claims of his incompetence or extremism which hold no water.

    • Truth

      Way to go Debbie. A very informed decision you made to vote for Obama because of this article. Do you even know what “President” is. It is a leader who can manage a whole country like the USA Miss Debbie of which Mr. Obama, who you want to vote for, has never done. You do not do your research and want to sit on the couch and collect benefits. I am surprised you had enough energy to type.

      • DaveH

        That’s our problem. The Presidents aren’t supposed to manage the whole country. No man can manage a country. It is Unconstitutional for a President to manage the whole country. But since when has that stopped them?
        The best that Government could do is get out of the way and let the private sector do what they do best — inadvertently create good economies.
        Speaking of the economy:

        Will the Federal Reserve and its Media Lackeys ever admit the truth — that the investors bid up the price of stocks upon Fed easing because they know inflation is in our future and the prices of everything will go up, including stocks? If creating new fiat money “boosted” the economy why not just create new money every day? There would be no poor countries if all it took was creating new money — ask Zimbabweans.
        I Hope and Dream that someday people will wake up to the reality that our Founders were aware of over 200 years ago — Big Government is bad for our Freedom and for our Prosperity, and Leaders specialize in parasitizing the people.

      • GALT

        WARNING, WARNING………The following post is one of a series, that will continue until a resolution occurs, my apologies to other poster’s on this site, and to Mr. Livingston, our host. Please feel free to skip over what is written here, as it may or may not be related to the topic under discussion………

        Episode 3 : the MIND of David H. in action, which might suggest that it might be exciting…..but don’t get your hopes up….it is not.

        Brief Recap of the previous episodes…….Episode One: The history regarding the period of 1919 thru 1945 as detailed in: The Lords of Finance and that these events “present a number of problems for those who believe that returning to the GOLD STANDARD” is the solution to our present situation. The result: none of the facts were shown to be in error, although David did provide the correct name for the British Banker: Montagu Norman, for which he was thanked. After several attempts to isolate individual elements, to misdirect attention from these “problems”, what we are left with is a GOLD STANDARD which is “a thing apart” from everything else……that is to say, if there were no banks, no fractional reserve requirements, no government, and no people, the GOLD STANDARD would work just fine…….and I agree……unfortunately, in that situation there are no problems for which it is required as a solution.

        Episode 2: with guest star: Robert Smith……which provides further evidence of David’s ability to actually comprehend what is being said, yet being unable to resist responding……..attempting to argue or refute something which exists only in his imagination…….we will continue this EXPOSURE in tonights episode. ( no response attempted by David…..could he be learning? )

        Episode 3 : Glass Steagal with special guest star : Big Bad John

        BigBadJohn says: June 5, 2012 at 5:15 pm
        TOTAL deregulation – we have never had it. But the repeal of Glass Steigal should give you a good idea what deregulation causes. When you make it legal for someone to gamble with and steal other peoples money – they do.

        DaveH says: June 5, 2012 at 6:54 pm
        That which you blame on Glass-Steagall being altered, John,
        is the fault of the Federal Reserve, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac,
        the CRA, and many other Government interventions into the Marketplace.

        Read this to get a clearer picture of reality:History of Money and Banking

        The Glass-Steagall Act was merely a tool used by the Rockefellers
        and their pals to hobble their competition, the Morgans and their
        pals. If you’d read the books I’ve recommended, John, you would
        know that most regulations are strictly created to hobble
        politically connected businesses’ competition. They’re
        playing you like a fiddle.

        IN THE MIND OF DAVIDH: magical things happen…..the repeal
        of Glass Steagall becomes “altered” while the effects of the
        repeal, are caused by “something else”……which had nothing
        to do with the repeal, but in combination with other things,
        produced the same results as what happened in 1929. This time
        “the problem” is “free market capitalism”…….which is David’s
        solution…….and must be defended at all costs. ( because
        the EVIDENCE points to it DIRECTLY as being the CAUSE
        in both cases 1929 and 2007 and continuing. )

        DavidH has defined the “free market capitalism” as “free
        (unregulated ) markets” comprised of “voluntary transactions”
        ………..which are precisely the conditions that existed on Wall
        St in 1929, for which both the SEC and Glass Steagall were
        introduced as potential corrections, and with the repeal
        of the latter, they existed again for the “derivatives” market
        ……….DavidH has been asked to produce “evidence” that this
        market did not meet the conditions of his definition and his
        response to this point has been: The people who were
        participating in this market were “crony capitalists”. It is
        not an answer to the question asked and it is NOT true.

        David’s link is to Rothbard’s book, Title noted above, copyright
        by von mises inst. 2002 has been edited by someone, is 429
        plus pages and may possibly contain some material that is
        relevant, although if it did; a page location or a direct quote
        would be far more useful……..he can not be bothered to
        provide this, but he expects you to read the entire book
        ……to confirm or deny his speculations…….which are
        irrelevant, to the point of the “argument” taking place.

        BigBadJohn says: June 5, 2012 at 10:20 pm
        You are right most regulations are passed to give one industry
        or the other an advantage.

        CONGRATULATIONS DAVID……..he has successfully misdirected
        John, so now the argument is not about the effects of DEREGULATION
        ( the crashes of 29 and 07 ) but regulation…….

        DaveH says: June 6, 2012 at 12:18 am
        You need to learn the difference between Regulations (passed
        by unelected bureaucrats) and Laws (passed by elected
        Congressmen). Those things that really do matter, and
        by that I mean that a super-majority of people agree with,
        could be codified explicitly in law.

        appear in the USC, and if the statute requires an implimenting
        regulation, that can be found in the CFR……….as demonstrated
        by the following 26 USC 3402 and 26 CFR 31:3402 ( p ) CFR is
        the Congressional Federal Register. Both processes suffer
        from possible outside influences……in fact, because we have
        the best government money can buy, the possibility of
        anything being EXPLICIT is absurd.
        The implimenting regulations are based on statutes passed
        by congress.

        THE MIND OF DAVID H. is made up………he knows the
        solutions and the answers.

        He can not defend them when questioned, he can not defend his definitions when challenged, and if he can not manage to escape, by evasion and misdirection……..questions and challenges and the evidence that he is avoiding them become PERSONAL ATTACKS and DISPARAGEMENT.

        DaveH says:
        June 5, 2012 at 6:43 pm
        What? The pretentious faux-erudite Galt, whose comments are largely composed of personal attacks, is asking me what Mirage said that was name-calling? Moron (that was an answer to your question).

        Thus endith Episode 4.

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear GALT,

          You write: “The following post is one of a series, that will continue until a resolution occurs, my apologies to other poster’s on this site, and to Mr. Livingston, our host.” No. It will not. This ends it.

          Best wishes,

      • heinok9

        At least she could write. I can tell that you are very smart, it is very obvious judging you by your grammatical superiority. It is funny that you conservatives always think that nobody else but you works for a living. Obama voters according to you only extend their hand to get something for nothing. It’s quite the opposite in my estimation, especially if I look down south, or in rural communities out west. I believe you are the one who should do some research and it should not involve Limbaugh or Hannity. No Sir…

      • GALT

        Mr. Livingston, well that would appear to be quite authoritatively expressed…….but I am not sure what you are ending, or for what reason……..?

        It does not appear to be a violation of your “rules” or guidelines, and it certainly does not qualify as a personal attack, unless the use of DavidH name, and engaging in a discussion with him…….or rather the attempt to engage in a discussion with him…..
        is in fact a personal attack? Is it?

        Clearly, he is not up to the task……and he does require some assistance, but you would have done far better to have offered this guidance to him earlier on…….rather than let him run free……..because eventually someone was going to come along, and not be distracted
        by his tactics, actually test his abilities to remain focused, defend his ideas and answer the questions that were asked………..and avoid being intimidated by “insults and baiting” and goaded into responding in kind……..and he was warned that all that was required to do this was the evidence provided by him.

        Now clearly you have the POWER here……and you are free to use it.

        Doesn’t quite seem quite in keeping with the claimed goals of PLD,
        for power exercised without reason does not quite reflect anything those
        “revered founders” you keep referring to would approve of?

        It does seem familiar though,hhhhmmmm oh yeah, Stalin: “No man, no problem”.

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear GALT,

          You write: “Mr. Livingston, well that would appear to be quite authoritatively expressed…….but I am not sure what you are ending, or for what reason……..?” I am ending your posting of exceptionally long posts that irrelevant to the article at hand before it becomes habit. This is the second one of these I’ve seen in recent days. The person you are debating is not relevant to my decision.

          You write: “It does seem familiar though,hhhhmmmm oh yeah, Stalin: “No man, no problem”. Non sequitur.

          Best wishes,

      • JeffH

        DaveH, you most certainly deserve a “Medal of Honor”. Anytime someone, like yourself, becomes the focus of “direct personal attacks” by a progressive shill leads one to wonder if Galt is under the same employ as a few others that tend to frequent this website.

        I think you’ve upset poor Galt’s employer…that’s a good thing.

      • DaveH

        First Galt says — “or rather the attempt to engage in a discussion with him…..
        is in fact a personal attack? Is it?”
        Then he says immediately afterward — “Clearly, he is not up to the task……and he does require some assistance”.
        And then he proceeds to insinuate that Bob, the owner of the website, is like Stalin.
        No personal attacks there. Sure.
        Seek help, Galt.

      • Deerinwater

        I enjoyed your powerful rebuttal GALT and taking DaveH to task. I find David most deserving with his continual ranting of what the founding fathers “intended” and the “correctness” and “rightfulness” of their ideas and hopes they might be used to govern the nation we have grown “into” today from 50 million to 327 million people. Growing from a people that burned whale oil to nuclear reactors.

        That there were need for amendments to these “intention” to make government actually “work” , David most willing to GLOSS over. Claiming to be a Constitutionist as long as it might endure his modifications.

        But you are found off topic, ~ This thread is about Obama losing the 2012 general election. That is what they want to talk about.

        Like a proper dog training, ~ any correction to error is wasted if you cannot catch them in the act.

      • DaveH

        It’s a Progressive thing, Jeff. They have no logical or experiential legs to support their nonsense, so they must use personal attacks, obfuscation, and other manipulative methods in their vain efforts to win an argument.

      • GALT

        yes, JeffH………just LOOK at those direct personal attacks……..imagine actually using
        David’s own words to question his claim to having both the answer’s and solution’s to the problems of the U.S………..and my god, the nerve of ME to ask a QUESTION and then WAITING for the answer……not letting him change the subject.

        True it would seem quite novel as well as disturbing to those who believe they own the schoolyard in this “ditto head” fairyland……..and maybe Mr. Livingston will save you all from actually having to “understand” what is being said and respond to it intelligently.

        DavidH was told at the outset that I was NOT his enemy, but he, like a few others decided to ignore that………and take a shot anyway, which is foolish when you lack the basic reading comprehension skills required, as Vigilant found out yesterday….with his foolish
        personal attack on San Rolley, whose simple journalism was not an endorsement or condemnation of the subject of his article…..

        But since you have decided to join the party…..please feel free to cite the “personal attacks” that appear in the above post………?

        You do understand that was a question, don’t you?

      • DaveH

        Hong Kong has one of the most robust economies in the world and their population density is three times that of the most densely populated state in our union. Your population argument doesn’t wash. But then what can we expect from a guy who thinks Galt’s comment is anything but a very verbose, very illogical attempt to harass me into submission?
        For those who want to see actual experience with Big Government, look here for some reality:

        It would be one thing if the Progressives lacked logic but actually had some experience to back them up. But they don’t. All they have are manipulation and words that appeal to ignorant peoples’ emotions.

        Government spent 3% of our GDP in 1900.
        Now they spend 40% of our GDP.
        Note that comparing it to a percentage of our Gross Domestic Product takes into account the population size difference. But even if it somehow didn’t, the population has grown 6 times in size since 1900, but the Government has grown 13 times in size since 1900.
        And where are the results from that Leviathan Government? Apparently the Progressives are forgetting that we’re in a 3-year long economic slump with no end in sight.

      • DaveH

        You drew first blood long ago, and have been doing copious amounts of that since. My personal attacks against you are dwarfed by those you have launched. The regular readers know that. Even the Liberal readers probably know that, but they wouldn’t admit it because they share your agenda.
        If you bring a gun to a knife fight, Galt, don’t expect me to come defenseless.

      • DaveH

        And personally, Galt, I’m rooting for Bob Livingston not to shut you down, because you are a perfect example of what we’re in for if we let the Progressives take any further control of our lives. And I’m betting that you are waking up more people than you think — only in the opposite direction than that you advocate.

      • GALT

        For Deerinwater……..well that would be an interesting escape valve for Mr. Livingston, but I included that in my apology while Mr. Livingston did not include it in his………..

        well, I’m not really sure what it is…………but you will note that the sharks are gathering,
        hoping for a meal……….even DavidH couldn’t resist……..even though he still can’t respond.

        You will note the quality of this response: with shill and progressive…….but no argument,
        which I guess means that……..saying that no argument has been made…..means???????

        Que sera, sera!

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear GALT,

          You write: “but I included that in my apology while Mr. Livingston did not include it in his.” I don’t recall issuing an apology.

          Best wishes,

      • GALT

        Well there you have it Mr. Livingston…….DavidH claims that he doesn’t require your protection………..and HOPES that…….I will remain.

        Of course, this could be a carefully orchestrated ploy, planned in advance…..since the outcome is already known………………….

        So what’s it gonna be………you gonna let your boy into the ring, again?

        And David……if you want back in, Episode 3 is right there…….go for it.

      • Deerinwater

        “Hong Kong has one of the most robust economies in the world and their population density is three times that of the most densely populated state in our union. Your population argument doesn’t wash.”

        Correct, ! ~ not if we are talking about comparing a constitutional government of a nation that is a mere 247 years old , of 230 million people and comparing it to a Communist government of a nation 1.3 billion people strong that claim to be a “republic” and a nation that go back to 500 BC.

        and Hong Kong is a city, not a nation, that enjoys a certain amount of immunity ~ and has became a huge HUGE gateway. ~~ and a poor choice of cities to make you argument, to anyone that has a clue.

        Even if we might considered your argument worthy David, ~ you only bring forward matters of economics, there more to life then $ money.

      • GALT

        David……”that you are not up to the task” is not a personal attack…….it is evidenced by the fact that you have NOT responded… episode 2 and now 3……..forcing me to chase you down here……….

        and you still….have not responded……..

        BTW Mr. Livingston is surely capable of responding for himself……and he is quite capable of comprehending what he reads……..

        Why this ended up on the bottom ……?

      • DaveH

        Communist China? That’s your rebuttal, Deer? Yes, Hong Kong is now part of China, but that has nothing to do with the fact that they have the most Economic Freedom in the World, and one of the best economies in the world. Whether they call themselves a city or a country contributes no support to your argument, Deer.
        You’re clutching for straws, as usual.

      • DaveH

        I decide who I respond to, Galt. You don’t decide who I respond to.
        And my decision is that your inane comments aren’t worth response. If I thought you were a threat to the minds of intelligent people, I might rebut. But you have long ago made yourself irrelevant with your verbose, faux-erudite, tedious, and repetitious comments. I have no fear that you will corrupt the minds of intelligent people.

      • Michael J.

        You need to calm down, your usual circular jibberish has today morphed into the emotional ramblings of a jilted lover. I can assure you that no one here aside from Flashy thinks about you in that capacity.

        Try to embrace brevity in your comments. Make your points passionately.
        And then we’ll tear them limb from limb.

      • amagi

        Reply to Wim Vonk

        “Norway is one example of a very well run country and so are some of the other
        Skandinavian countries”, you say.

        Why are you saying such nonsense when you obviously do not have any idea
        what you are talking about ? In spite of having the North Sea Oil, Norway is in
        deep trouble economically. One of the reasons is the immigration policy allowing
        tens of thousands of muslims to settle and bring family and live off the welfare
        state. Crime is going through the roof and rapes in Oslo has skyrocketed. (Bruce
        Bawer’s book “While Europe Slept” is recommended; he lives in Noway and knows
        the situation).

        Then you say …”some of the other Skandinavian countries”…Since there are only
        three in total, Norway, Denmark and Sweden, your sentence does not make sense.
        By the way, Sweden is the worst of them as the muslims have taken over parts of whole
        cities, like Malmo, where the police do not dare enter – and the Swedish welfare
        state is in deep trouble also.

        Again: Why do you wish to pretend knowledge you do not have ? Reading can
        cure ignorance. Try it.

      • GALT

        “You drew first blood long ago, and have been doing copious amounts of that since. ”

        QUITE TRUE DAVID… are bleeding badly, but you were warned that I was “not your enemy”……..that I was here for “solutions”….you chose to continue….which means you did not understand what I meant…… let me see if I can make it clear……

        I am the ‘enemy” of “willfull ignorance” in all its forms……you have insisted on being precisely that……..

        “My personal attacks against you are dwarfed by those you have launched.”

        Exposing your ignorance or stupidity is not a personal attack. Demonstrating that you are incapable of a logically reasoned intelligent argument is not a personal attack.

        On the other hand. calling someone a progressive is NOT an argument. This was explained to you in the very beginning, but this is all you can do……..and all you do, do. :-)

        ” The regular readers know that. Even the Liberal readers probably know that, but they wouldn’t admit it because they share your agenda.”

        HHHHHHHMMMMM…Interesting division…..a few of the regular readers have made the attempt and suffered the same result, the rest have been “silent” and may even understand what I am pointing to…

        As for the rest, since I have no agenda, except that which I have indicated…… is irrelevant to me……but doing what I did to YOU is easily learned……and “solutions” require MINDS that are capable of reason and applied knowledge and evolving with complexities.
        So far you have not demonstrated that you are one of those and seem determined not to be……..

        “If you bring a gun to a knife fight, Galt, don’t expect me to come defenseless.”

        Couldn’t even get that right could you?

        I have brought, intelligence, logic, reason and knowledge…..against THAT you have always been defenseless……..

      • GALT

        No David, you don’t rebut because you can’t rebut….you have tried, you have failed.

        That you have not responded is not evidence for a rebuttal……….

        Didn’t that teach you that in agnostic class?

      • GALT

        You don’t have to wait Michael J. start tearing…it’s already there.

      • Deerinwater

        “Communist China? That’s your rebuttal, Deer? Yes, Hong Kong is now part of China, but that has nothing to do with the fact that they have the most Economic Freedom in the World, and one of the best economies in the world.”

        Well, Hong Kong is only a city, not to be confuses with a Nation and it not exactly in the Free World is it? Hong Kong rule might vary but it’s always been a part of main land China, making your comparative “point” null and void substance.

        You could just as easily used Berlin and end up in the same place…. No where.

      • GALT

        Thank You Mr. Livingston for your clarification……and I especially like the way you inserted your post………..

        It does seem to me, and this is PROBABLY JUST ME, that you could have said all that the first time…… wasn’t much longer…..and it would have avoided any speculation…….

        which caused the “non sequitor”……although I really think it is CCOOOOOOOL that you used it……also the way you set it up……..I am clearly not that devious……

        Just curious if: You have read the Lords of Finance? and if you have, do you have a factual objections to the history? (safe answer here is no to the reading part )

        Noticing that you have read Buckminster Fuller, did you manage to read Critical Path?

        E.O. Wilson also has a new book due to hit the stands, are you familiar with him?

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear GALT,

          You write: “Just curious if: You have read the Lords of Finance? and if you have, do you have a factual objections to the history? (safe answer here is no to the reading part )

          Noticing that you have read Buckminster Fuller, did you manage to read Critical Path?

          E.O. Wilson also has a new book due to hit the stands, are you familiar with him?”

          I have not read Lords of Finance. I have read Critical Path. I am not familiar with E.O. Wilson.

          Best wishes,

          • Thomas Gunn

            To Galt…. from Thomas Gunn:

            Though your post was directed to Mr. Livingston, please allow me to interject with my own answer. I have a great many “objections to the history”, regarding “Lords of Finance”.

            First of all, it’s not history… is conjecture; on the part of the author.

            The author, Liaquat Ahamad; asserts that the Great Depression was actually the RESULT, of the actions of a few powerful gloabal bankers, who “were united by a common fear ……. that the greatest threat to capitalism was inflation….. and by a common vision that the solution was to turn back the clock and return the world to the gold standard. ”

            Only the first part of this is true; that the Great Depression was indeed the result of the actions of a few powerful Global bankers……but their goal then, as now, was not to AVERT inflation….but to engineer it into the fabric of socio-economic activity; in order that THEY could manipulate the global economy, and subjuagate the middle class to a life of debt-slavery, THROUGH inflation…..inflation that they CREATE.

            What Mr. Ahamad atttempts to do; is to continue to perpetuate the MYTH, that inflation is some naturally occurring phenomenon that results from economic activity that take places under a free-market CAPITALIST system. This is preposterous. The ONLY thing that determines the REAL price (qua – value) of goods and services in a true “free market”, is Supply and Demand. Inflation, is the consequence of the artificial expansion of the money supply, and this DISTORTS supply and demand. It is through a FIAT currency system, and thorugh the process of “fractional reserve lending” practices, which are only possible under a system that has abandoned the “gold standard”; which allows central banks to CREATE inflation……not to control it. This is the same lie, with which the Federal Reserve has justified its continued existence.

            Mr. Ahamad, attempts to portray the bankers of that time (and of today), as having “good intentions”. They do NOT have good intentions. They have ONE intention. That is to confiscate all REAL property and means of production and to centralize their control of it. THAT is the ANTITHESIS of Free Market Capitalism. It is the very definition of Socialism, as outlined in Karl Marx’s communist Manifesto. Those Global Bankers had not intention of “saving capitalism”; for they themselves were NOT CAPITALISTS. They were MONOPOLISTS…..quite another thing. By today’s modern model of our corrupt monetary system, they are best characterized as “Corporate Socialists”. Again, their goals are the antithesis of Free Market dynamics. In a FREE MARKET CAPITALIST system, the means of production (Property, Labor, and Resources), are “freely” held in ownership, by individuals……qua DISTRIBUTED ownership of the means of production. In a SOCIALIST system, the means of production (Property, Labor, and Resources), are CENTRALLY CONTROLLED (in the case of the Soviet Union…by the State, and in the case of the United States….by a Corporate Banking Cartel).

            If you want to understand TRUE free marekt economics, please read: “Human Action”, by Ludwig Von Mises. If you further want to understand the TRUE historical reasons behind, and the TRUE INTENTIONS of these central bankers in having created and engineered the Great Depression; then you should read: “The Creature from Jekyll Island”, by G. Edward Griffin. Mr. Griffin is a true historian; unlike Mr. Ahamad who has his own agenda. Mr. Ahamad, in his book, has perverted the truth, and logic, for his own ends.

            Why? Because he is a central figure in the Global Banking Aristocracy.

            Ahamed is a former director at the World Bank in Washington D.C., where he headed the bank’s investment division. He was Chief Investment Officer of the global bank BNP Paribas, and from 2001-2004 served as its Chief Executive. From October 2007 he has been a director of Aspen Insurance Holdings and in addition advises several hedge funds, including the Rock Creek Group and the Rohatyn Group. He is a member of Board of Trustees at the Brookings Institution and is involved with the New America Foundation. He has been part of the Council on Foreign Relations, and Tri-Lateral Commission. He was born in Kenya, to an aristocratic family; was educated at Rugby School in England, at Trinity College, Cambridge, and at Harvard University.

            He is NOT an objective historian, but is an integral part of the New World Order, Global Banking aristocracy that is intent on eradicating property rights for individuals on a global scale. His book, the Lords of Finance, is a work of Fiction, as regards his manufactured conclusions (which he falsely portrays in the book as “facts”).

      • GALT

        Bob Livingston says:
        June 7, 2012 at 1:37 pm

        Dear GALT,
        You write: “but I included that in my apology while Mr. Livingston did not include it in his.” I don’t recall issuing an apology.
        Best wishes,

        And I didn’t say you did……..My response was to deerinwater.

        he speculated that the reason for your “comment” was being off topic. My response to him was that I had included that possibility in my apology warning……”being off topic” or if you would LIKE it in other words…….having to HUNT DOWN DAVID H……forcing me to be OFF TOPIC!!!!!!!!

        you will also note that the line continues with………..well, I’m not really sure what it is…………

        However, this is your first post.

        Bob Livingston says:
        June 7, 2012 at 8:32 am
        Dear GALT,
        You write: “The following post is one of a series, that will continue until a resolution occurs, my apologies to other poster’s on this site, and to
        Mr. Livingston, our host.” No. It will not. This ends it.
        Best wishes,

        and your second….

        You write: “Mr. Livingston, well that would appear to be quite authoritatively expressed…….but I am not sure what you are ending, or for what reason……..?” I am ending your posting of exceptionally long posts that irrelevant to the article at hand before it becomes habit. This is the second one of these I’ve seen in recent days. The person you are debating is not relevant to my decision.
        You write: “It does seem familiar though,hhhhmmmm oh yeah, Stalin: “No man, no problem”. Non sequitur.
        Best wishes,

        There is a five hour delay…..the speculation of what will prompt your decision……is not a non sequitor at the time it was written…

        after all

        “No. It will not. This ends it.”

        It not an explanation of why……it is a posturing or a claim or POWER…without explanation……..and it doesn’t make the possible speculation of why……which occurs at

        GALT says:
        June 7, 2012 at 9:14 am

        a non sequitor to an explanation that occurs at
        Bob Livingston says:

        June 7, 2012 at 1:36 pm

        at 9:14 am it was still in play as a possibility.

        Might be a good example for your “followers” if you acknowledged this as being accurate…….and that you were “incorrect”.

        None of them really seem to get what is a “logical fallacy” or a “personal attack” is, yet?

        And long seems kind of strange too, can’t you solve this directly by limiting post size…..?

        Sincerely, ( without wax )


      • Nancy in Nebraska

        GALT, it’s really quite a shame that you aren’t nearly as intelligent as you think you are. You try to impress others and all you do is alienate them. If you were really interested in imparting your knowledge to others you would know that acting like an a$$hole wont get you far. Therefore, being an a$$hole must be the point of your existence on this board.

        • Sheryn

          If your so much smarter than everyone else , just what the hell are you doing on here????

      • GALT

        Well Nancy, I am perfectly willing to consider any evidence in support of your conclusion.
        Unfortunately, you have neglected to include any evidence……probably just an oversight?

        Take all the time you need.

        Sincerely, ( without wax )


      • GALT

        Sheryn……whether I am smarter or not is irrelevant, my purpose is and remains the
        exchange of idea’s and information, primarily for what I believed was a common goal,
        the restoration of the constitution to the primacy of authority it once had, under common law and equity, where government was limited and citizens had rights.

        I began this by posting the question, Where are the ( common ) law and equity courts, as
        denoted in Article Three……

        The answer to this question and understanding it, is the key to the restoration we seem to share as a goal…… does not require you to DIE or kill anyone…..if is not even particularly risky…….but it allows you to act…..and free yourself……and if you choose,
        teach others how to do the same……

        All the rest has simply been distraction……branch arguments……etc.

        Besides, you have to admit it is good exercise, to stay on point, amidst all this distraction,
        and actually getting the constitution back is only the beginning …… there are too many divergent interpretations of what it means…….

        So all the debate stuff is kind of prep work…….understanding arguments, construction, fallacies, etc…………….

        If your question was implying something other than was mentioned here, I shall be happy to answer it.

        Sincerely, Galt

      • Deerinwater

        “Michael J. says:
        June 7, 2012 at 12:16 pm
        You need to calm down, your usual circular jibberish has today morphed into the emotional ramblings of a jilted lover”


        Galt is now and has been calm, ~ and has not employed circular reasoning but addressed it. He is asking us to employ critical thinking, not be a ditto head, to not be so easily lead around by the nose.

        Neither Ron Paul or DaveH or Mr. Livingston have all the answers but often repeat old ideas, some good and some~ not so much. Some sound good while the devil lies in the details, many have been tried with mixed results.

        The original intend and ideas of the founding fathers have been tied and subjected to the stark realities of time, inside of 40 years these ideas started under going “change” for good reasons. They failed to work as they were intended.

        This notion that a bunch of able statesmen got together in 1776 and hammered out a perfection document to form, regulate and restrict the powers of government is pure horse hockey. This imperfection and the search for perfection is why some of us refer to the Constitution as a “living document” as It grows and changes, it prunes and shapes government and the society it serves.

        Is this bad or good? ~ It’s real…. and a little of both. But if anyone thinks civil revolt offers us solutions to today’s problems, they overrated our problems or underrated the significance of civil revolt and the effects it would have not only here at home but abroad.

        Rather then searching for good answers, we might well be best served in developing good questions.

        • Liberty Lover

          The U.S. Constitution clearly is not perfect, as is evident from the endlessly expanding range of government mischief allowed under interpretation of the unfortunate commerce clause, but its imperfection has nothiing to do with the passage of time and the growing complexity of the world. The truth is that America’s political class has never since approached the philosophical and intellectual brilliance of the nation’s founding fathers. My great fear is that a majority of Americans today would be happy to trade liberty for the empty security promised by today’s incompetent and corrupt version of King George.

        • Thomas Gunn

          To Deerinwater:

          I respectfully ask you to reconsider a fundamental conclusion that you have been indoctrinated with.

          First of all, the power to “amend” or “add-to”, the Constitution, does not implicitly empower our government to fundamentally change its original MEANING.

          The Constitution (and its Bill of Rights) is NOT, nor was ever intended to be, a “Living Document”. Please allow me to explain:

          If you are playing poker with two other opponents, would you allow them to simply change the rules, in mid-play; for their own convenience, just becuase there are two of them, and only one of you?

          The fundamental concept of Unalienable RIGHTS, is that we are endowed with these by NATURE, by GOD (or whatever GOD means to the individual). These NEVER change. The reasons that these NEVER change; and that the Constiution is NOT a “living document”, are many, but most imporatantly is because it is entirely based upon a fundamental morality of humanity.

          If you espouse that the Constitution’s fundamental premises should “live”, or change, then you espouse that fundamental morality…..qua…right and wrong……should change. That is a dangerous path to follow.

          The morality of which I speak; is that No individual, group, or institution, even if it is in “the majority”, shall have the right to use FORCE (either physical or coercion) against any other individual, or minority group AGAINST THEIR WILL, in VIOLATION OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED UNALIENABLE RIGHTS.

          To claim that the US Constitution is a “Living Document”, is to then say, that these fundamental principals can be changed at will by a majority; which is also to say, that a government of a majority, can therefore remove or change an individual’s constitutional rights. This is NOT espoused in the Constitution.

          If that were the case, those rights would not be UNALIENABLE.

          It is that Single Pesky little word…. UNALIENABLE…….that PRECLUDES the US Constitution from being a “Living Document”, and this is exactly as the founders intended.

          The reasons are many, among them; are the fact that this country was NOT founded as a “Democracy” but as a CONSTITUTIONAL REPBLIC, and for that exact reason.

          Because a form of government, that has the authority to Grant individual Rights, then also has the authority to take them away. The founders CLEARLY DID NOT trust any government, that would wield enough power, so as to perpetually repsect the rights of individuals; thus…..the Bill of UNALIENABLE rights was made part of the US Constitution.

          In a Pure DEMOCRACY (with your “Living Constitution”), you would have 3 wolves and a sheep, voting on what to have for dinner. A Pure Democracy (with YOUR Living Constitution), is 51% of the public, denying the rignts of the other 49%.

          Are you SURE, you want to live under a “Living Constitution”? You may NOT be a minority today…..but some time in the future….you may very well be, as the demographics of this country change in the coming decades. Are you sure you want a “majority” of which you are NOT a part; to have the SOLE AUTHORITY, to deny YOU of your FORMERLY UNALIENABLE rights ? With a “Living Constitution”, that is exactly what will happen to you. If you care about your childrens’ future, if you want your children to some day be able to live “The American Dream”, to truly “own” their own home, to have the opportunity to become self-reliant…..then you should most seriously re-think your assertions about our Constitution being “A Living Document”. I suggest you start by actually reading it, again, and again, and again.

          The smallest minority on Earth, is the individual; One who would deny individual rights, cannot then claim to be a defender of minorities. Read this passage again and truly digest its meaning.

          And further to that, with a “living constitution”, it is just a matter of time’, not IF……but WHEN, ….. the government functioning under it, will eventually attain enough power to become a Tyranny.

          It is vitally important that you understand this objectively. This is NOT about proving a point, or being “right”. This is about being devoted to objective absolute TRUTH. It is not an academic question….someday in this country, perhaps for your children, it will become a matter of life and death.

          You have heard many times the statement: “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. What is more important to understand, is that the access to power, such as powerful institutions, ATTRACTS the CORRUPTIBLE. As such, powerfully structured institutions will always, eventually become fundamentally corrupt…it is just a matter of time. It is for this reason, that our founders constructed our government and our constitution, to have LIMITED, and SEPARATED powers. Those who espouse a “living constitution”; only do so, so that they can subvert this basic principle, in order to consolidate government’s powers, and to make them unlimited.

          Do you truly want to trust in an all-powerful fundamentally corrupt government, to restrain itself from violating your rights? If the Constitution forbids them them from doing so……no matter…..they’ll just change it…….that is as long as it is a “living constitution”.

          As long as you, and people like you, allow our perverse education system, and propaganda media to continue to indoctrinate the population and perpetuate the myth, that the Constitution is a “living document”, the further and further we will continue on the path to full-on tyranny. Eventually, your children, and your grandchildren will “wake up homeless, and penniless, on the continent their forefathers conquered.”

          Once our freedom, and our UNALIENABLE RIGHTS have been lost, do you truly believe that the all-powerful government, will simnply give them back to a bunch of powerless peasants ?

          • Liberty Lover

            Thanks again for your carefully argued truths. A voice of reason crying in the wilderness. The Founding Fathers would be proud to call you a friend.

          • Thomas Gunn

            Thank You, that is probably one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me. But I’m humbled by the comment. If’d I’d been fortunate enough to have known any of the founding fathers as a friend, it would have been an unimaginable priviledge.

            Here is something interesting for you. This is taken from an article, about the lesser known founders (signers of the Declaration of Independence actually); about the price these men paid, in creating the first, and only truly free nation on Earth. Anyone of real character, who reads this, should gain an entirely new feeling for what the “social engineers” are doing to this once-great country:

            And to reiterate from the context of my last post; how could anyone actually think, that the sacrafice these men made to give us the gift of the Declaration of Independence, and the US Constitution, would have considered it to be a “living document” ? That is absolutely preposterous.

            .”…..A Politician is a fellow who will lay down YOUR life for HIS country…..

            …. and A Statesman is a fellow who will lay down HIS life for YOURS…..”

            Which follows from the statement made by the signers of the Declaration of Independence….in the very last line of which was written:

            “And for the support of this Declaration with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”

            What practically NO ONE in this country even knows, or cares to think about, is the price these men paid to establish this first, only, and LAST free nation on this Earth:

            Of those 56 who signed the Declaration of Independence, nine died of wounds, suffered in battle during the war.

            Five others were captured and imprisoned, in each case they were brutally tortured to death and had family members that were hunted down and murdered. Several lost wives, sons or entire families.

            One lost EVERY SINGLE ONE OF his 13 children.

            Two wives were brutalized, raped, and tortured.
            All were at one time or another the victims of manhunts and were driven from their homes.

            Twelve signers had their homes completely looted and torched by the British or by “Loyalists”.

            Seventeen lost everything they owned and died alone in poverty.

            Yet not one man defected or went back on his pledged word.

            Their honor, and the nation they sacrificed so much to create is still intact…..but JUST BARELY

            And, finally, there is the New Jersey Signer, Abraham Clark:

            He gave two sons to the officer corps in the Revolutionary Army. They were captured and sent to that infamous British prison ship afloat in New York Harbor known as the hell ship “Jersey,” where 11,000 American captives were to die of disease, starvation, or torture. The younger Clarks were treated with a special brutality because of their father having been a signatory to the Declaration.

            One was put in solitary and given no food and was left to lie in his own excrement until he starved to death. With the end almost in sight with the war almost won, no one could have blamed Abraham Clark for acceding to the British request when they offered him his sons’ lives if he would recant and come out for the King and Parliament. The utter despair in this man’s heart, the anguish in his very soul, must reach out to each and one of us down through 235 years with the answer: “No.”

            The 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence proved by their every deed that they made no idle boast when they composed the most magnificent statment in American history and wrote:

            “And for the support of this Declaration with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”

          • Liberty Lover

            I think I read the same article; I do recall the Clark’s’ story. Never before has such a brave and wise group of men come together to achieve such a noble end. Never again will their likes be seen at the heart of government. It should be said the Founders did everything they could to PREVENT the Constitution from becoming a malleable, “living” document subject to the whims of some unenlightened majority. They anticipated so clearly the long-term threats to their hard-won liberties that confront us at every turn today.

          • Thomas Gunn

            Very very well Said ….. you are a kindred spirit.

      • http://naver samurai

        Good posts Dave H and Bob Livingston. You all should just ignore Galt as he brings nothing but the usual 5th column lies, rhetoric, innuendo, and hate. Some sheeple are just angry that their messiah Obaaaaamaaaaa bin Laaaaaden will lose and they lay their misplaced anger onto others. Just remember this when it comes to the 5th columners on this site:

        “There are three points of doctrine which forms the foundation of all morality. The existence of God, the immorality of the human soul, and a future state of rewards and punishments. Suppose it possible for a man to disbelieve either of these three articles of faith, that man will have no conscience.”

        John Quincy Adams

        Since 5th columners have no conscience, it is better to ignore them and let them destroy themselves and not take anyone with them.

        Bob Livingston, what do you think are the chances of bama bin Laden being re-elected? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • Liberty Lover

          I don’t agree that fear of God is an essential element of patriotism, and I definitely don’t agree that “immorality” of the human soul is one of the indispensable pillars of morality. ;)

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        GALT, the evidence for my conclusion is in your response.

      • Jay

        Galt, you are nothing short of pathetic! DaveH, has repeatedly kicked your behind in debate, and your fragile, pubescent ego, has been traumatized to the point where you scarcely even care wether you make a fool of yourself, with you continual attacks, after the fact! Just admit it; YOU LOST IN DEBATE WITH DAVEH, and get on with your life!!!

      • DaveH

        First Galt says — “For Deerinwater……..well that would be an interesting escape valve for Mr. Livingston, but I included that in my apology while Mr. Livingston did not include it in his………..”.
        Then Bob Livingston says — ” I don’t recall issuing an apology”.
        Then Galt says — “And I didn’t say you did……..My response was to deerinwater”.
        What? Is it a severe grammar problem? Galt clearly indicated that Mr. Livingston issued an apology.
        At best, Galt, you’re equivocating. At worst (and what I suspect) is that you’re outright lying.

      • DaveH

        If I was a Progressive, Galt, I’d be begging Bob to take you off the board, because you’re making Progressives look really bad. But I’m not, so please keep posting.

      • GALT

        Yes DavidH, I suspect functional illiteracy will always be a source of problems for you.
        Generally the standard of comprehension was three times for the normal mind….

      • GALT

        Well then Nancy, you have been certainly provided with a sufficient number of demonstrative examples on how to use such evidence in support of your conclusion, so there is no reason for you to keep this to yourself.

      • GALT

        For Deerinwater……..well that would be an interesting escape valve for Mr. Livingston, but I included that in my apology while Mr. Livingston did not include it in his………..well, I’m not really sure what it is…………

        As you can see David the sentence does not stop with “in his”………

        You will also note that the post itself is separated and disjointed….which happened a lot when things are composed elsewhere and pasted here……

        The dots would indicate a verbal pause…..casting some doubt on Mr. Livingston’s purpose, warning, threat etc. or the reason’s for it……

        I realize you are probably very desperate now…….but just think of how many more opportunities you will have to actually develope the skills required to construct a logical argument and what evidence actually IS!

      • GALT

        Yes, Jay, that’s what Dave keeps telling me…..unfortunately, the claim seem to be isolated
        from any substantive issues….you see Jay, debates revolve around a question or an issue and it’s resolution…….in this respect David has yet to grasp the number of elements involved in any particular “issue”…….which sort of precludes any understanding of what
        results from their conjunction…….

        This is what happens when people already think they KNOW the answer……..what occurs after this, is NOT DEBATE………because when you already KNOW THE ANSWER, you are stuck with having to make “all the evidence” conform to it……..

        If you are actually seeking an “answer”, you gather evidence to see where it leads……and if you are dealing with a dynamic system with varying inputs, the point of resultant equilibrium is constantly shifting to reflect that variance………

        What is taking place here, has not been a debate……and it may be, that there is no
        possible productive outcome to be expected here……

        Que sera, sera.

    • http://yahoo george gilbreath

      your an idiot ,jewish ding bat.

      • http://naver samurai

        The race card has been played again. Classic 5th column strategy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Patriot


      A bet or vote for Obama is a bet against your country! Proof – on the anniversary of D-Day yesterday, Obama was in Hollywood fundraising without one mention of this great day of sacrifice. Is anyone on the progressive left even the least bit disgusted that Obama has used our money for campaigning? Let me see 145 rounds of golf, 190 fundraisers (more than all President’s combined over the last 50 years), 200 plus days vacationing on our dime and Moosh’ele telling us what to eat while she stealing our money living the life of a Queen. Please America Kick these parasites out!

      • JUKEBOX

        I wonder if the Obamas will spread the wealth around, and send all of us some of that $400 a pound Japanese beef they serve at state dinners.

        • T i m

          Obama gets the same payday for the rest of his life as he does now , same as all elected politicians , DOES NOT MATTER RE ELECTED OR NOT . ………………..THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY ……………..RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        JUKEBOX, nope they’ll just send you the bill!

      • Ron

        The bill will be attached to President Cheney’s $4 trillion tab for gettin’ his boy W’s picture taken on the aircraft carrier in that big-boy flight suit, right?

        Bungling the capture of Bin Laden then invading the wrong country:

        $4 trillion.

        Ignoring your Secretary of State’s advice and starting an ill-conceived, ill-equipped, undermanned military operation without proper vehicle and body armor into a flag-wavin’ full-on shootin’ war:

        5,000 of America’s bravest and brightest killed

        Gettin’ your picture taken on an aircraft carrier and ensuring you’ll get re-elected in 2004 as the “Decider-In-Chief” and “War President”:


    • Sheryn

      Me Too

      • Sheryn

        That was a reply to Debbie.

      • Deerinwater

        Who wants to follow a Los Vegas odds make anywhere?

        That makes me think of these billboard where the cows are writing these witty signs saying “Eat more chick’n”

        The general election is going to be a slug fest, The GOP and their supporters, media outlets, operatives, disciples, soldiers have had 3 and a half years to prepare and have been working very hard to relabel their opposition in as many unflattering ways known possible to man. In their mind, they have succeeded.

        With 44 coming out in defense and support of same sex marriage and gay in the military ( regardless of my personal conviction) at the most untimely hour presents us a view that he believes he can pull it off !

        I’m not so certain anymore, 44 will lose so church votes of all color over that decision along with half the military. It not a decision that I would have made.

        The only way I could be a Romney supporter is if he was running against Herman Cain.

        • Sheryn

          I was replying to Debbie but while I’m here. I aprove of Obamas decision to suport Gay marriage . If they want to get married why not?They still deserve equal rights. They are human you know. They are just as good as anybody and I’ve never met one that isn’t a good person and very nice. I think alot of people think the same as I do so I really don’t think it will make a difference.

      • JUKEBOX

        Deerinwater, were you aware that Obama has said that if Congress does not pass laws making gay marriage and gay rights the law of the land he will do so by executive order.

      • GALT

        Actually, it might be interesting to know if anyone knows what an oddsmaker is?

        BTW it has nothing to do with predicting the outcome of anything…..I do thing that pic of ole Wayne with his mouth open, says it ALL. Guess he can’t actually write anything…..

        • Sheryn

          Oh yes it does. What do you think the odds are of romney winning. It all doesn’t matter Obama will win anyway. All these morons can just keep arguing all they want its fun to read.

      • Deerinwater

        “Actually, it might be interesting to know if anyone knows what an oddsmaker is?”

        Hmmm?? Me too! A Fortuneteller that works on commission?

        • Sheryn

          Exactly !

      • GALT

        An “odds maker” in Vegas is responsible for setting the line……..and it is especially important in Vegas because it is a “lay off” point for all action that exceeds the line in either direction…….everywhere else…..other points being where ever propositional wagering is legal…..Atlantic City or Reno……etc.

        The purpose of the line and the responsibility of the “odds maker” is to guess as accurately as possible the exact MIDDLE of where possible bets are likely to occur….

        A football line on a football game of say Baltimore by 3.5 pts is NOT a prediction of the result of the game………it is the point assumed where the action will be equally distributed between both teams…….

        The reason for this is that there is a fee for placing the bet……..cost $11 to collect $10. if you win, you get paid $21. and the loser has lost $11………which means the “bookie” makes a risk free dollar………( MINUS EXPENSES= PROFIT )

        If say the action is unequal $3000 on one side $2000 on the other, the extra $1000 is risk
        and casino’s are not in the gambling business……..also, Vegas is the last stop…….if you have this imbalance in Texas, you can lay the extra off in vegas…..and vegas can refuse bets if it doesn’t want to assume the risk………although sometimes they will take it, for marketing reasons, customer relations and what not…….HOPEFULLY THAT IS CLEAR?

        • Sheryn

          Just exactly how stupid are you.

      • Deerinwater

        “. I think alot of people think the same as I do so I really don’t think it will make a difference.”

        Well….I don’t fault your views but I do believe the cons out weigh the pros. I don’t like fixing things that are not broken. That they were broken for other’s was something I was willing to live with today, feeling the need for 4 more years of addressing matters of greater significance to all Americans and not just 2 to 5 % of Americans.

        If we lose this general because of it, ~ to me personally~ it wasn’t worth it. The cross to bear in supporting the all inclusive DNC, for best or worse , in sickness or in health , commented to the belief that all are equal unto the eyes of law.

    • Carfield

      I am with you. This nut hasn’t reviewed history – all you have to do to see SPENDING is look at George W. We will not get anywhere with all this hate – we as Americans have to come together. When the Republicans put their party before the country — now that is what I call a SHAME. This guy is helping push the hate or is he just full of it? GO Obama!!!!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Carlield, I am curious how it is you expect people to come together with you but you hate them.
        So all you are doing is posting nonsense.

    • Rick Roman

      Why will you vote for Obama after watching this?

    • John Haines

      Might be a good thing if obama wins. The Country would go broke. We conservatives will have enough money and essentials put aside to survive his socialist stupidity. On the other hand you liberal entitlement freaks will not have any government money to survive on. How sad, go to the mail box and no check, no food stamps, oh ,woe is me. Well you can eat dog, your idol did!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        John, the country is already broke! Collapse is coming and nothing can stop it. Get ready. But don’t forget, the government has passed laws saying that they can take your house, car, gold, money, food and water. So you may not be out of the woods. They’ve also made laws allowing them to lock us up and dictate what work we will have to do (for the good of the country, of course). Sounds like slavery doesnt it? They have the FEMA camps all ready. And the department of homeland security has bought enough ammo to kill every one of us. So if you think that the responsible among us will be out of danger, you are mistaken. We have more to fear from our government than we have at any time in history!

        • T i m

          TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN , Nancy I see your name 1 st …….AMERICA ……..IS NOT BROKE ….AMERICA ……IS NOT BROKE ……DO YOUR OWN MATH . …Look at the sales receipt every time you go to the store for anything . Read the total of sales tax at the end of the day on every receipt you collect . Multiply that by at least a million . …..PER DAY …….Next , understand how much government pays the welfare population per month , ALL OF IT PAID FROM SOCIAL SECURITY . …every recorded wage earner in the nation pays welfare , NO MATTER WHAT PARTY . ALL OF IT PAID FROM SOCIAL SECURITY . ….Mitt Romney is not going to be any different than Obama………RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT ……..

    • Lee page

      Scare tactic! for Democrats will make them come out in droves and vote and this guy is from Vegas therefore, is odd are against anything that he says. in anything Obama will when in a landslide. Romney will not get the Black vote or the Spanish vote.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Sad, isn’t it? The blacks and hispanics will just go with whoever promises them the most. Nothing ever really improves for them but they keep believing the lie. I wish they would wake up and see the truth.

  • zarni0

    you are also living proof that familiarity breeds contempt. the bad economy is not due to obama but due to runaway deregulation. when will you idiots get it through your thick skulls. this all started with reagan and continued with bush, clinton, and escalated with bush jr when the last vestiges of deregulation were stripped from financial industry and oil industry. that is why we are in the mess we are in now economically and financially and that is why we got the gulf oil spill. not because of obama although obama’s not much different from the previous sellouts we had for presidents. look at romney’s campaign contributors – he is OWNED by wall street. you think he will help the small business owner and the regular guy on the street trying to get a job? good luck with that….
    all that being said wouldn’t be surprised if obama loses but the alternative is not better.

    • sandman4X4

      when can you get it through you thick head, that no-one will ever get ahead untill the big guy does, there are plenty of regulations in place, they just need to be inforced equaly! Remember a rising tide will raise all , but the higher ups will get above sooner.

      • eddie47d

        Unless Libertarians can stop the Upward hemorrhaging on Wall Street those wealthy crooks will keep stealing from America. My bet is that Wall Street and company will continue to be cunning,devious and extremely greedy no matter who gets elected. The Libertarians will be no different and maybe worse in allowing them to ply their “trade”.

    • Bill Roth

      Spoken like a true Socialist.

    • DaveH

      You say, Zarnio, that “runaway deregulation” is the source of our problem, and then you call US idiots? What a clown.
      Read this Zarnio, and get your head out:

      • DaveH

        For intelligent readers (guess that leaves you out, Zarnio):

      • Sirian

        The “Free Market” is a very good article but I wouldn’t count on Zarnio ever reading it, let alone thinking about what is said.

    • T i m

      bravo , zarni0 , 1ST COMMENT i HAVE SEEN ….GOT IT RIGHT 1ST TIME . Every one else , be sure , check your facts before you call any one names about ignorance . RONALD REAGAN …..DE REGULATED THE COMMERCE INDUSTRY . Jimmy Carter created the commerce industry . RONALD REAGAN WAS NOT THE DEARLY BELOVED , EVERY ONE IS BRAINWASHED TO BELEIVE. He is as much blame for today’s AMERICAN economy as anyone else . I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE MILLIONS OF JOBS HE IS GIVEN CREDIT FOR . Obama claims the same . Department of Commerce sets the rate on all AMERICAN cost of living . Including GAS PRICE AT THE PUMP . Read the wieghts and measures certification next time you gas up . The definition of DE REGULATION means …..LET DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE DO WHAT EVER THEY THINK BEST . We sheep have no choice but pay it …..OR DO WE HAVE A CHOICE . There is a simple solution to AMERICAN ECONOMY , congress knows all this , YOU ARE WEARING IT . ……………………….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

      • DaveH
        • T i m

          What ” IS ” your point . The pig flew over my head ……………..

      • Randy

        I too will write in a vote for Ron Paul. I will not try to convince, sway, nor convert anyone’s choice in this matter. Honor dictates my choice and this country was based on honor. I will not settle for the lessor of two evils. When I meet my maker, I will be able to say that “I did what was best for my family, my friends and my country”. Will you?

    • Patriot

      Zarni0, let’s just assume all these things are correct, what has Obama done to change any of these things? So, he doubles down on all of the things increasing massive regulations, major focus first year on stealing our money thru the stimulus and ramming even more regualtions thru ObamaCare plus printing us into massive bankrupcy.

      And your point is? Let’s do more, you do know the definition of insanity?

    • Carfield

      Actually the alternative is worse. Romney is very good at making money for himself and his cronies – Think what he could make from the White House – Also, Groover Norquist stated all they needed in the White House is someone that can sign his name — I think Romney would fit that position quite well. At least most of us would agree with him 50% of the time = the way he changes his positions. Now that is food for thought — Romney following Groover’s instructions.


      Are you not aware of the number of Wall Street iniders Obama has or has had in his group of advisors and cabinet?

      • SoCo Gal

        Exactly: JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs, etc ALL LEFT THEIR CUSHY BANKSTER JOBS to go work in the Obama Admin.

        But if you believe Obummer’s campaign, Mitt is the ONLY person in bed with the same people.

        And the general public is just dumb enough to buy it.

        And yes, if people haven’t figured it out yet – I support Dr. Ron Paul – the voice of SANITY and an Honest American FOR AMERICANS (not just the country but the PEOPLE)

  • Anders Behring

    I have offered 10 to 1 odds, first on the Wisconsin election and continue to on the presidential election. I note that not a single progressive has accepted the bet. Word are cheap but no bets, could it be because I will not accept food stamps?

    • eddie47d

      The figures are now in with the Wisconsin race. $63 million spent with $47 million coming from the Right and $19 million coming from the Left. With those 3-1 odds against Democrats it only proves that elections can be bought by the highest bidder. Citizens United (Corporations) gave you the Wisconsin victory so the Elites now own the voting booth. Using Las Vegas odds makers and gambling as a template for success indeed shows where America is heading.

      • T i m

        eddie , look at the other side . 1st ALL POLITICS IS THE SAME . If you put any faith in the voting process , THE VOTERS said …NO MORE UNION INFLUENCE IN HOW I VOTE . Take the teachers union as prime example . MAY BE the biggest labor union in AMERICA . TEACHERS UNION IS DEMOCRATIC BASED . Teachers union endorsed Obama last election . WHEN I HEARD THAT OVER THE RADIO WORLD NEWS , …..I KNEW THE ELECTION WAS OVER . …ADD THE WELFARE POPULATION TO IT ……..DONE DEAL . The voters have said , DO NOT TELL ME HOW TO VOTE . ……………..With that said , NOW , the REPUBLICANS MUST STAND UP , and stop following the leader over the cliff. The BUSH family has endorsed MITT ROMNEY . From what I am seeing , the voters in the REPUBLICAN PARTY , ARE FOLLOWING THE LEADER OVER THE CLIFF, BECAUSE DADDY BUSH SAID SO . ………………….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT . …I am aware son RAND is quoted to endorse Romney . That makes me feel so defeated ……I will continue to support …RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

    • Deerinwater

      Bets are cheap too if there no way to collect them.

  • http://optimun dee

    ignorance is not bliss when it comes to Obama, wake up America

  • David

    This is just a prediction, nothing more and nothing less. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in groups over three so I predict it will be close but President Obama will win re-election. Not so much for what he has done but rather that Mitt is such a poor choice for the GOP and has too many of former President Bush’s advisors on his team.

    • DaveH

      That’s because the String-pullers don’t care if it’s a Democrat or a Republican, as long as he can be bought.

      • charles

        amen dave my thoughts also

      • Renée

        I agree. When the lights go out, you can’t tell either one of them apart. The love of money and this case money and power, is the root of all evil and this country is run by evil, money and power hungry people with no concern whatsoever of the outcome. We’ve seen it over and over again.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I agree with all three of you!!!

  • gerryrichard

    yes,correct,it escalated under Bush Jr,but everyone back to reagan didnt promise the “hope and change” that Barry did…it may have escalated under Bush,but Barry the narcissist didnt follow up on his promises…you think barry isnt “owned” by Wall street?..who is naive here?…

  • Rasta

    He’s already defied the odds. I will bet on him!

    • Rob

      A bad choice! Does anybody care about our runaway National Debt? Under Barack it
      is now in the Trillions. Anybody care about our Economy? National Security? Marriage
      as we know it? Look at the facts. Barack WILL destroy America if we let him back in.

      • skippy

        agreed rob!!

      • Doc Sarvis

        The economy; Mitt’s specialty is to fire people (just like his friend Donald (the Birther) Trump, and send jobs overseas.
        National Security; President Obama has been steadily training our Intelligence and Military on the top terrorist leaders and taking them out. President Obama got our combat troops out of Iraq ahead of schedule (we had no business there anyway) and is working on doing the same in Afghanistan.
        Marriage as we know it; Mitt has at least four grandmothers and half of heterosexual marriages end in divorce. I think a little tinkering to allow two adults who really love and care for each other to marry is not a bad idea and I’m pretty sure God’s cool with that too since God is love.
        Look at the facts, we are in much better shape now then when President Obama took office.

      • BigBadJohn

        I am NOT defending Obama but it seems you need some real numbers:

        national debt (accumulated deficits)
        Deficit 2009 – inherited from Bush 1.4 trillion
        deficit 2010 – 1.2 trillion – 200 billion dollar cut
        If we cut defense spending back to 2000 levels and let Bush’s tax cut expire, it would cut that number by another 700 billion

        Defense spending:
        defense 2008 – 730 billion
        defense 2012 – 903 Billion
        Yup certainly looks like Obama is gutting defense…………

      • DaveH

        Whether they finance it with Taxes, John, or with Borrowing, it’s the Spending that is the problem. And that hasn’t stopped under Obama. And it will accelerate greatly when the full impact of the Healthcare Bill hits.
        What’s keeping Obama from cutting back this spending?

      • Ken

        Aaaaaaaahhhhhh……WHATS UP DOC! Whooooaaah! you been smokin’ the wacky stuff this morning Doccy?!

        We’re better off huh!?!

        Wow, can you believe this guy?!

      • Doc Sarvis

        We’re better off huh!?!
        Wow, can you believe this guy?!

      • SerfCityHereWeCome

        ROFL! So let’s see if I have this straight…we’re “better off” because we now have FEWER Americans working among a much larger population now than when Obama inherited the Pelosi-Reid collapse “from Bush”???

      • BigBadJohn


        “Whether they finance it with Taxes, John, or with Borrowing, it’s the Spending that is the problem.”

        Tax cuts and spending increases have the same end result – higher national debt.
        They do exactly the same thing, put more money into peoples pockets to stimulate the economy. At least that is the theory.

        How the spending is financed just as critical. There is a simple correlation, the more you borrow, the less your money is worth. If it were announced tomorrow that Bush tax cuts were going to be allowed to expire – the dollar would jump in value.

        As Bush drove the national debt up the value of the dollar tumbled. Which has put us in the position of having our credit rating cut. Of course not only did Bush cut taxes, but he increased spending by about 200%.

        On the flip side Clinton raised taxes and the republican congress kept his spending under control so we came closer to a balanced budget than we have in 30 years. And the economy took off.

        OK you tell me, What can Obama do to cut spending? He inherited a 1.4 trillion dollar deficit.
        Bush cut taxes by 400 billion – should we let that expire?
        Bush increased military spending by about 400 billion – should we cut that?
        Bush started an unfunded 200 billion dollar prescription drug plan – should we cut that?

        one Trillion deficit so far – from the previous administration

        Bush started two unfunded wars which Obama added to, should we pull all of our troops home?
        Obama started health care reform – we still don’t know what that will cost
        Obama has spent 500 billion in stimulus money – should we quit this? (about the same as one year of Bush tax cuts or military increase)
        Social security – this is going to be the biggest debt the USA faces, should we terminate that?

        It is simple to say cut spending but where do you start? More importantly how do you get a consensus when the two major parties have such different views of the correct course of action?

        • T i m

          THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . Outlaw corporate bankruptcies , put the people back to work , stop the automation of AMERICA put the people back to work , require the housing banking industry to refinance a home loan , in case of job loss or medical disaster , PUT THE PEOPLE BACK TO WORK , re instate MEDICAL RESEARCH FUNDING , CURE ALL DISEASE , PUT THE PEOPLE BACK TO WORK ………………. Any commodity we talk about will PUT THE PEOPLE BACK TO WORK . Gas price at the pump should be around 5 0 cents per gallon . …THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY …..You are wearing it . ……………..RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

      • DaveH

        Whether the spending is financed with Taxes, in which case money is being taken from the productive Private Sector and spent by the wasteful Government sector, or the spending is financed with Borrowing, thus crowding out credit that would have been used by the productive private sector and remaining on the books for future generations of taxpayers to pay, the results will be the same — a Worsening Economy.

      • Brad


        What Bush II and congress did is in the past. Today, the Ohmama administration to include the Polosi/Reid then Boehner/Reid congress has accounted for 1/3rd of the total US deficit. Are you proud that mainly Democrats have put this country in such debt and yes I also include republicans in that same picture

      • texastwin827

        Bigbadjohn, a deficit is essentially Revenue minus expenses that are greater than the revenue coming in.

        I tend to be more concerned with how much debt this country has. In the fiscal year ending in 2008 (Bush’s last yr) our debt was $10 trillion. At the end of fiscal year end 2012 the projected debt is $16.4 trillion, so in 4 years our Federal Debt will have increased by $6.4 trillion. The projected 2013 fiscal year end debt is $17.5 trillion, meaning we will rack up an additional 1.3 trillion

        However, if you prefer the deficit numbers (according to the US Govt) at the end of 2008 (Bush’s last year) the deficit was .5 trillion or half a trillion

        2009 which includes the stimulus packages was $1.4 trillion

        2010 was $1.3 trillion

        2011 was $1.3 trillion

        2012 is projected to also be $1.3 trillion in the hole

        So, if we are “better off” please explain why our deficit is as high, each year, as it was in 2009 when we did the bailouts?

        • T i m

          Texas , those numbers do not mean anything . THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY , …ALL OF CONGRESS KNOWS IT . You are wearing it , driving it . RON PAUL WANTS TO GET RID OF 1 TRILLION DOLLARS DEBT IN 1st year ???????? Every governor in every state can create jobs tomorrow . Congress is holding AMERICAN economy back for a reason . ….THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . There should not be a housing morgage problem . This was advertised last election , see what happened with that . There should not be an unemployment number . I LOST MY JOB BECAUSE THE COMPANY FILED BANKRUPTCY . Those company owners should have gone to jail for embezzling the labor force . ……………………….THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . I will continue to support RON PAUL for president .

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        When people speak of our debt they never include the unfounded liabilities such as social security, medicare and federal employee pensions etc… Including tose our debt is MUCH higher. Here’s a great picture to give you an idea how much that money is.
        Seriously! You have to see this to believe it.

      • BigBadJohn

        The only way to get a true idea what the deficit is to look at the national debt and subtract from year to year. Keep in mind presidents run from January to January.

        Yes I agree Obama has run the debt up radically.
        Answer the question, what should be cut? Military, tax cuts, prescription drug plan, Social security, medicare, Obamacare, military and government pensions?????

        Regardless of which issue you pick there will be a group of people who will object – period.
        Both parties have drastically different opinions of what to cut. Unfortunately republicans have decided that inaction on their part reflects as inaction on Obama’s part. so nothing is getting done.

        • Thomas Gunn

          The first things to cut, as Ron Paul has stated in his 12-page Budget proposal, are useless and unconstitutional Federal Departments:

          If Rep. Ron Paul were to become president, he would cut his own salary to less than $40,000 a year, end five cabinet-level departments, audit the Federal Reserve, end all foreign wars, and trim the federal workforce by 10 percent.

          On Paul’s chopping block are the Departments of Energy, Commerce, Interior, Education, and Housing and Urban Development. He would privatize the Federal Aviation Administration and the Transportation Security Administration while freezing spending for most other departments. He also plans to repeal President Obama’s signature healthcare law, as well as the Dodd-Frank and Sarbanes-Oxley financial regulations.

          The plan would freeze spending for Medicaid and a few other social programs like the Child Nutrition Program, changing them into block grants to the states and moving them from the mandatory spending section of the federal budget to the discretionary spending section, which means the programs’ budgets would need to be approved by Congress annually.

          Paul’s desired presidential salary of $39,336—what the campaign identifies as the approximate median personal income of American workers—is a way “to stand with the American People,” the plan explains.

          [Read: Ron Paul sees a path to Super Tuesday success.]

          There is one notable area of government that would survive Paul’s knife. Department of Veterans Affairs funding would continue to increase at the currently scheduled levels, according to the plan. Howard says that Paul believes that since “you send people all over the world to fight for America and to fight for freedom, we shouldn’t be cutting any benefits once they get back.”

          Again, this is no surprise. Paul, who served as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force, has emphasized his support for veterans in the past, including through a campaign ad called that featured former soldiers appreciating his advocacy on their behalf and calling him “a veteran’s best friend.”

          Paul has also said that support from active-duty members of the military is a sign he is on the right track with his push to end foreign wars and cut military spending. “We don’t know about this quarter,” Paul said at a recent luncheon at the National Press Club, “but so far I’ve gotten more than twice as much money from active military duty than all the other Republican candidates put together, so that should be a message.”

  • Bill

    Zarni or is it zani? What f’n planet have you been on for the last 31/2 years deregulation? This idiot has passed more regulation than all presidents combined. As far as wall street Odumbo has takin more money than Romney by 2 to 1. But I guess you wouldn’t know that living with your head in your ass.

  • Robert

    The only way Obama will be defeated by a landslide is IF Mitt Romney grows a pair and stops acting like a college prepy wimp. We need someone more like Scott Walker that can communicate with and fire up the people.

    • DaveH

      With Mitt Romney there IS a pair. It’s the Usual — Crony Capitalists and Crony Politician. Of course that’s been true for almost every President since 1900.

      • SerfCityHereWeCome

        A Kool-Aid-soaked Obamadinejad drone calling ROMNEY a crony capitalist?? BWAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAaaaaaaa

      • SerfCityHereWeCome

        D’oh, misplaces reply, sorry…

  • William Thompson

    Obviously you are a Marxist!

    • Allen Crawford

      Lemme see here, Romney ran against McCain last primary and lost. The media supported McCain and McCain lost to Obama. Ron Paul Ran too but the media wasn’t supportive of him at all and had very little exposure to the public. This year there were more conventions and it was a teeter totter debate for the longest but the MSM favored Romney from the beginning. Now, Romney proved himself to be a loser last year and now this year Obama will lose to a known loser from last year? I sticking with Ron Paul and might I add, a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama???**LOL** I’ll wait for the Romney bots to chime in:-)

      • lady kroft

        You seem to be forgetting that the mindset of the American people today, as a result of obama’s atrocities, is the now famous slogan “Anybody But Obama” which they will carry with them to the polls. I loathe Romney but he’ll have my vote because he’s not obama.

        • T i m


      • annebeck58

        Thank you!
        I always find it very funny that anyone who’s paid attention (obviously, these folk have not) would chose either Obama OR Romney. Honestly, what is the point of having an election when it is between these two (one)? RomBamney and their bots do not get it. NWO, larger – oppressive toward all other countries– government, bigger military, less money and fewer people in the US to DEFEND US, stealing from Medicare// Social Security funds, to continue to instigate more wars; inspiring hatred all over the world, toward ALL of US, all of the USA, is Obamnney.
        Who can spell out for me even ONE differing opinion between them.him, these plastic men? Not any of these voting for him/them could, or they would not be voting for him.
        If anyone actually hears all three (including Paul) one is only left to GO with PAUL, or this country is done. The whole WORLD is not only watching our (s)elections, but they are BEGGING US to go with Paul. There’s good reason for that. Nobody wants to either be the next country WE bomb or be our allies and have themselves forced to bomb other nations of people, including many civilians, who have done not ONE THING to or against US.
        Yet these sill war-mongers argue among themselves, while not knowing the first thing re: what they ARE arguing for or against.

        Rombama//Obamney. Who cares? Either of them is selected in 2012 and the USA is done-for. With Ron Paul and we stand at least a slight chance of fixing some things. Yet they will fight to the death, working tirelessly and endlessly toward their own demise. I wouldn’t have such a huge problem with it, were they also not taking US/USA down with themselves.
        What a bunch of foolish know-nothing tools for the NWO/Bilberberg/Bankster/Fraudster jerks. And, they don’t have the slightest idea this is what they’re doing, for if they had, they WOULD go RON PAUL.
        When, if ever, will they get that the one-percent is an elite group, and not one of the tools responding (here) is a part of it?

        WAKE UP AMERICA before we are DONE. Okay?

      • T i m

        CONTRAR Annabeck , THE REST OF THE WORLD ……. I S …..watching what we do . AMERICA is part of the g – 2 0 WORLD GOVERNMENT …………ALL THE OTHER NATIONS OF THE WORLD CARE VERY MUCH WHAT WE ARE DOING . DO YOU ACTUALLY BELEIVE , THE AMERICAN PEOPEL ELECT OUR OWN LEADER . Why must a state delegate tell me who I am allowed to vote for . Media says , SANTORUM WON THE LOUISIANA PRIMARY ….STATE DELEGATES GAVE IT TO ROMNEY . Peoples choice vote was useless. ………………………RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

      • Vicki

        Lady Kroft writes
        I loathe Romney but he’ll have my vote because he’s not obama.

        Do you also loathe Ron Paul? If not then vote for Dr. Paul. He fits your requirement of being NOT obama and fits it MUCH better then obama spelled with an R.


    Of course, everyone is forgetting about the fraud which is So evident and is backed by the so-called Dept. of Justice!!!
    Justice, my foot!

    • Steve E

      Eric Holder’s lying and corruption is a subject that the Obama supporters will not respond to. They can’t argue against that fact. Here’s another funny thing. When I mention the fact that Obama smoked crack and had a homosexual affair with Larry Sinclair in 1999 while he was state senator, The Obama supporters are the first to get offended at the idea that I called Obama a homosexual. But yet, even though they get repulsed and reject the idea the Obama is homosexual, at the same time, they say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. Why would they get repulsed if they say there is nothing wrong with it? Go figure.

      • DaveH

        If you’re waiting for consistency from Liberals/Progressives, you are going to be waiting for a very long time.

  • Lars Arden

    He wil be defeated only if we unite behind Romney and not any other candidate. Supporting another candidate will only give that much more to Obama. As for the Obama
    Zombies, read this message clearly; he is the antithesis of America’s future. Follow him and the USA will be far less influential in the world arena. Our jobs and resources will be
    sent to other lands and governments.

    • David

      Mitt Romney is a known liar, a cheat and a thief. I will NOT vote for someone who will say anything, do anything to anybody at any time just to get the Whitehouse. Mitt would sell his own mother into slavery to gain the Oval Office and I will not back a known liar no matter who he is running against.

      • rb

        Guess you’re staying home this Novemeber then?

      • Kevin

        You say you will not vote for a known liar, but then go on to say that you will vote for Obama, lolz, you’re a complete idiot, another useful fool for the “one” There isn’t enough space here to list all of Obamas known lies!

      • Power To The People

        Let me guess…you voted for the scum bag cheat in the WH now???

      • David

        Never said I was voting for Obama, just said I wasn’t voting for Mitt. Either read and understand what I am saying or skip over my posts. Either way is fine by me but don’t put words in my mouth or credit me with saying things I never said. I said Mitt is a liar, a thief and a cheat. I said he stashes his money away to avoid paying taxes you and I must pay. I said Mitt would so anything to gain the Whitehouse, tell any lie, and would go so far as to sell his own mother into slavery if he thought that would get him the Oval Office. What is so hard to understand about that? I refuse to fall in line with the rest of the sheep following the Judas Goat into the slaughterhouse but you do as you will if it makes you feel better. Following a man that has no differences between Obama and himself other than a little “R” after his name. Jump off that cliff and see if you land happy or broke.

        • T i m


    • eddie47d

      What you said happened under the previous administration Lars and the world found America disgusting in our war mongering. The world was saddened by 9/11 but that quickly turned to loathing against us waring against the wrong nation. That is where our credibility was lost. While we were spending billions in forcing our way onto the world China worked behind the scenes and implemented economic policies that grew their nations business and sunk our economy. America is now slowly growing again and China although still mighty is slowing down.

    • DaveH

      When are you going to wake up, Lars? The lesser of two evils is Still just Evil.

  • Brian Woodcock

    Obam is a crook, a cheat and a liar and a socailist bent on destroying our independance, he has already done ereprerable damage as it is. America must see this.

    • annebeck58

      Yes; I agree that Obama is all of those things. Problem, as I see it, is that Romney is the same as him. You people are being LED BY THE NOSE, a la the MSM, to ignore the one person who’d actually do something positive for US/USA.
      When, if ever, will the tools of these so-called choices figure it out? It seems that the majority of Americans ARE getting it, but as they say so often, “This Revolution will NOT be Televised”, and that really is too bad.

      WAKE UP PEOPLE; comprehend that votes are stolen and flipped by the electronic (Hack-a-Vote-2000) machines, and unless YOU stand up to them, the USA is going down the tubes.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Way to go, annebeck58!!! I agree with you!!!

  • http://liberty Tony

    To Everyone please:
    Obama will win in a landslide because of his competition or lack of. Even polls will predict this. Granted polls can be shams and fads of the moment but look at this which is the most accurate outcome and you’ll see who will truly win and it won’t be “Richie Rich” Zombie. But, i’m , actually rooting for an Obama win. The reason for that is the Repubs. can regroup. By 2016 a Rubio/Watts ticket can take charge. Thanks!!

    • Gary

      You want to vote for Rubio, that is just great, another Illegal loving NOT qualified to be President in the White House…………..

    • Fed up with Obama

      Tony, if Obama wins this will be the last election this country has because he will pronounce that he is King or what ever title he chooses to have. He will not need Congress because he will make all decisions. He will invite the Muslim Brotherhood to help him and he will decree that we live by Sharia Law. I am truly afraid of what he will do to this country and us. He is a evil man and he is on a mission. I to think he will win because of all the dead people that “votes” and he will not let the states purge their voter rolls. But to insure he will win he has decided to let Spain count the votes and that is where his good friend Sorto lives that wants him to win. If anyone votes for him just because they don’t like Romney they are a fool and do not like their freedom. Obama will first declare marshall law and strip everyone of their guns so he has total control. I just do not know how anyone can not see him for what he is. EVIL, EVIL, EVIL. Romney may not be what we what but he is the only choice we have at the moment. We can vote Romney out in 2016 but you will not get to vote for anyone in 2016 if Obama wins. Think about that and decide who is the best choice.

    • DaveH

      Rubio is just an establishment Republican in Sheep’s clothing.

      • Steve E

        I don’t see the sheep’s clothing on him, but he is an obvious Establishment Republcan. I suppose some see the sheep’s clothing on him thinking he’s got some Tea Party in him, but, like Chris Cristie, he’s not all that conservative.

    • SerfCityHereWeCome

      Huh…interesting take, Tony. Were you by any chance a Chinese guy in a past life who supported Chiang-kai Shek in 1949 but rooted for Mao, hoping he’d really screw things up so he’d lose in the next “election”?

    • http://liberty Tony

      To Everyone here:
      For once and for all, will you’ll please end this birther/illegal nonsense. The president and senator Rubio are natural born citizens. If you would google their info. this will tell you that. They’re legimate citizens, who are eligible to run plus hold the office of the Presidency. Please everybody, lets end the “Manchurian Candidate” syndrome. Thanks!!
      Next, It’s better to have an Obumda re-election then a “Richie Rich” Zombie election. “Richie Rich” Zombie will screw things up sooo much for the Gop, that our society will never see another Gop presidency in our lifetime after 2016. In addition, Hitlerly Sillary Clinton Thunder thighs will get elected. If you think things are bad now, under her these trying times will look like the good old days. Our country will become a leftwing/Stalinistic one party state. As a matter of fact , websites as this, will be outlawed. Thereby, think about this before responding. Thanks Again!!

      • Sheryn

        Thanks for your opinion but you just don’t like anybody. You should leave this Country !

      • JeffH

        Tony says “The president and senator Rubio are natural born citizens.”

        Tony, they may be citizens, but neither are “natural born” and as such should never qualify for the office of POTUS or VP. You, like all the others that don’t know squat about the term “natural born citizen” really need to take a close look at history and at least 4 Supreme Court cases that have defined “natural born citizen” and referenced the origin the founders used to determine who is a “natural born citizen” and who is not.
        Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the United States Constitution.

        No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

        Persons, eligible for the presidency, have no first generation ties to a foreign nation, whereas ineligible persons always do.

        ALL statutory citizens are born with a tie to another nation by birthplace and/or blood, but NEVER is that the case with any natural born citizens who are only American.

        A statutory citizen (bestowed by man’s pen) can never be a “natural born” citizen (bestowed by God/nature).

        The term natural born citizen was first codified in writing in colonial reference books in 1758 in the legal reference book “Law of Nations.”

        That legal reference book was used by John Jay, who later went on to become the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Jay had the clause inserted into the Constitution via a letter he wrote to George Washington, the leader of the Constitutional Convention. Jay was considered the outstanding legal scholar of his time and he was the one is responsible for inserting that term into the U. S. Constitution, which was derived from the Law of Nations.

        John Jay wrote: “Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

        Emmerich de Vattel’s Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding U. S. Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the U. S. Constitution used for the inclusion of the “Natural Born Citizen” phrase. It nails what is meant by the “natural born citizen” phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the U. S. Constitution.

        “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN.”

        4 Supreme Court cases define “natural born citizen”.
        1. The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
        2. Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
        3. Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
        4. United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

        It should be noted, that to define a term is to indicate the category or class of things which it signifies. In this sense, the Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

        Hence every U.S. Citizen must accept this definition or categorical designation, and fulfil his constitutional duties accordingly. No member of Congress, no judge of the Federal Judiciary, no elected or appointed official in Federal or State government has the right to use any other definition; and if he does, he is acting unlawfully, because unconstitutionally.

      • http://liberty Tony

        Dear Sheryn:
        What in God’s name are you talking about or inferring to? I swear ma’am you’re not too coherent. You need to reread my post to get the message. Thanks and get some help please!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Tony, you are absolutely wrong! Neither obummer nor Rubio are “natural born” citizens! They are citizens but to be a “natural born” citizen, you must have been born in this country to parents who were citizens! obummer’s father was NOT a citizen and Rubio’s parents were NOT citizens (at the time of his birth). You cannot point to a pig and call it a cow over and over thinking that anyone other than fools will believe you!

    • JeffH

      Tony, you really need to educate yourself on the term “natural born citizen” and why the Founders thought it important enough that it should apply to the office of POTUS & VP.

      The United States Constitution has a provision in it as to whom is eligible to be President of the United States. Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 states that:

      No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

      What evidence or customary understanding of the term natural born citizen would the founding fathers have been using during their drafting and deliberations of the United States Constitution? At the time the Constitution was written, there were at least two legal theories that would have been invaluable to them: 1) Emmerich de Vattel’s legal treatise entitled The Law of Nations and 2) the practice of common law adopted in the several states.

      There are 4 Supreme Court cases which speak of the notion of “natural born citizenship”. Each of these cases will cite or apply the definition of this term, as given in a book entitled, The Law of Nations , written by Emmerich de Vattel, a Swiss-German philosopher of law. In that book, the following definition of a “natural born citizen” appears, in Book I,Chapter 19, § 212, of the English translation of 1797:

      § 212. Citizens and natives.
      The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties,and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages.

      The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents(plural)who are citizens.

      As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens,those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. (Obama’s father was never a US citizen and neither were the parents of Rubio.)

      The 4 Supreme Court cases:
      1 – The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
      2 – Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
      3 – Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
      4 – United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898

      It should be noted, that to define a term is to indicate the category or class of thingswhich it signifies. In this sense,

      the Supreme Court of the United States has neverapplied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born inthe country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

      Hence every U.S. Citizen must accept this definition or categorical designation, and fulfill hisconstitutional duties accordingly. No member of Congress, no judge of the FederalJudiciary, no elected or appointed official in Federal or State government has the right touse any other definition; and if he does, he is acting unlawfully, because unconstitutionally.

      • GALT

        Unfortunately, no Supreme Court decision made before 1939 can be relied on as argument………since the jurisdiction in which those decisions apply is no longer available.

        You are now under admiralty and maritime law and the UCC….and as soon as you have the ability to embrace this, the sooner you will understand why all those “seemingly unconstitutional” things that are being…….are meeting no resistance from anyone in government.

        All you have to do is LOOK at the statutes: UCC 1 -207 and 1-103

      • DaveH

        One might wonder why then do the Congressmen swear this oath?
        “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God”.
        Is it just a shell game like so many of the Progressives on this board engage in?

      • JeffH

        GALT, think not! Only if the usurpers prevail and I’m optomistic that will not happen anytime soon. The Constitution is the supreme law and I still have faith that it will continue as such, despite the attempts made by current and past administrations to ignore, skirt and violate it.

        Obama’s real POTUS eligibility question, based on the fact that he is not a “natural born citizen”, is now being challenged…Arizona, Alabama and now Florida.

        I refer you back to my original post and link on this.

      • GALT

        Now why would that be a problem children……I believe if you look carefully……I mean really, really LOOK CAREFULLY…….you will see that “admiralty and maritime jurisdictions” are clearly included in article three…….how would that constitute a violation of the oath sworn………David?…………………………. Jeff? Unless you can make that relevant to my response……( all your cites are pre 1939 , are they not ? )

      • JeffH

        GALT, I’m getting the picture here. three forms of law were granted to the Constitution, common law, equity (contract law) and Admiralty law. Each had their own jurisdiction and purpose. From what I gather from known history our flag did not have a yellow fringe bordering three sides. The United States did not start putting flags with a yellow fringe on them in government buildings and public buildings until 1959.

        First the appearance of our flag is defined in Title 4 sec. 1. U.S.C.. “The flag of the United States shall be thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white; and the union of the flag shall be forty-eight stars, white in a blue field.” (Note – of course when new states are admitted new stars are added.)

        *A foot note was added on page 1113 of the same section which says: “Placing of fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag, and arrangement of the stars are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but within the discretion of the President as Commander-In-Chief of the Army and Navy.” – 1925, 34 Op.Atty.Gen. 483.

        The president as military commander can add a yellow fringe to our flag. When would this be done? During a time of war. Why? A flag with a fringe is an ensign, a military flag. Read the following.

        “Pursuant to U.S.C. Chapter 1, 2, and 3; Executive Order No. 10834, August 21, 1959, 24 F.R. 6865, a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE, bordered on three sides. The President of the United states designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the Armed forces.”

        Our system of law was changed without the public’s knowledge. It was kept secret. This is fraud. The American people were allowed to believe this was just a decoration. Because the law changed from Common Law (God’s Law) to Admiralty Law (the kings law) your status also changed from sovereign to subject. From being able to own property (allodial title) to not owning property (tenet on the land). If you think you own your property, stop paying taxes, it will be taken under the prize law.

        When you walk into a court and see this flag you are put on notice that you are in a Admiralty Court and that the king is in control. Also, if there is a king the people are no longer sovereign.

        When one enters a court room and comes before the judge and the U.S. flag with the yellow fringe flying, you are put on notice of the law you are in. American’s aren’t aware of this, so they continue to claim Constitutional rights. In the Admiralty setting the constitution does not apply and the judge, if pushed, will inform you of this by placing you under contempt for continuing to bring it up. If the judge is pressed, his name for this hidden law is statuary law. Where are the rules and regulations for statutory law kept? They don’t exist. If statuary law existed, there would be rules and regulations governing it’s procedures and court rules.

        As the country’s court of last resort, the Supreme Court is an appellate body, vested with the authority to act in cases arising under the Constitution, laws, or treaties of the United States; in controversies to which the United States is a party; in disputes between states or between citizens of different states; and in cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction.

        Treason in Government!
        Admiralty on Land!!

      • Vicki

        GALT says:
        Now why would that be a problem children……I believe if you look carefully……I mean really, really LOOK CAREFULLY…….you will see that “admiralty and maritime jurisdictions” are clearly included in article three…….how would that constitute a violation of the oath sworn………David?…………………………. Jeff? Unless you can make that relevant to my response……( all your cites are pre 1939 , are they not ? )

        Article 3 covers ONLY what the Judicial branch of government has jurisdiction over.
        “The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.”

        This does not absolve Congress from fully defending the REST of the Constitution including and in particular the Bill of Rights which directly limits any possible power under imagined Martial Law. Remember that the Constitution is the supreme law of this land and not maritime law nor admiralty law nor martial law (nor Sharia law).

        • Thomas Gunn

          Thank You Vicki…you are correct. The Constitution is indeed the Law of the Land, and all of this chatter about admiralty law is completely irrelevent. Have you read the book “Arguing with idiots” ? That’s clearly what is going here, with “Galt”, and his alter-egos. I found particularly humorous, his reference to the States’ abbreviations having been changed many decades ago to dual capital letters, such as : WA, PA, MN, as though this is evidence of some conversion from Constitutional authority, to “admiralty law”….. which is preposterous to begin with. As a product of the 1960s, I remember first hand, when it was the United States Post Office, that standardized on the two-letter cap abbreviations, in order to accomodate their then newly installed automated letter sorting machines. THAT is why our states are abbreviated as PA, FL, WA, etc.

          Evidently, facts and truth are elusive to Galt, so he instead makes them up as he goes along. Galt…here is a tip: Mis-stating facts, does not provide “plausible deniability” for being an idiot.

      • GALT

        But that is precisely the problem, Vicki…..”admiralty and maritime” are the under the exclusive jurisdiction of congress…….all states have been changed to the equivalent
        of the District of Columbia…..with two letter non punctuated abbreviations, MA instead of Mass. PA instead of Penn, and you have become VICKI instead of Vicki……just curious, have you ever signed your name VICKI?

        Hopefully you realize that Washington D.C. is DIFFERENT than other places…except in 1935 they began the process of changing everything…and as Jeff notes it was completed
        in 1959…… it’s all the same……and without “law and equity” none of the rest of what you see in the Constitution can be relied on……..apparently they have left enough to keep this going……but you have to admit…….these seemingly unconstitutional things are glaring………….even now……..

        No amendment was required to remove law and equity, they simply stopped providing courts dealing with those cases……..technically it’s still there, but you can only access it
        by using UCC 1-207………which is a reservation of rights……that in law and equity are automatic……….UCC 1-103 says the the code can not be read to preclude the common law……..but that only applies IF you have reserved your rights under UCC 1-207.

        If you have not done this ( and how could you possibly know it was necessary ) you are
        deemed as having consented to be subject to “admiralty and maritime”……

        Forms implying this consent are: SS Cards, Drivers License, and ID, Passports……you will also so note that you are VICKI, of anything that concerns $$$$$$$$, your use of American Currency is one of the benefits and privileges you enjoy in your new status… are also VICKI…….

        • Thomas Gunn

          Galt: Please change your ‘screen name” from Galt to “P.Keating”, or “E.Toohey”; either of which would be a far more appropriate Ayn Rand character refrence for you.

          You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Your ridiculous commentary on “Admiralty and Maritime law” is not only incorrect, but completely irrelevent.

          “Admiralty” and “Maritime” law, are one and the same, so save some space here and stop referring to them as though they represent different statutes.

          Furthmore, admiralty law; is a distinct body of law which governs maritime questions and offenses ONLY I’ll repeat that….. it governs maritime questions and offenses ONLY. It is a body of both domestic law governing maritime activities, and private international law governing the relationships between private entities which operate vessels on the oceans. It deals with matters including marine commerce, marine navigation, shipping, sailors, and the transportation of passengers and goods by sea. It also covers many commercial activities that may be land based or occurring wholly on land, but only when they are are maritime in character.

          None of this, has anything to do, with the Bill of Rights, or the United States Constitution, except for the latter document’s definitions and enforcement thereof.

          Please stop insulting everyone’s intelligence, with your feeble attempts to display your own (your lack thereof notwithstanding).

      • DaveH

        Galt exposes himself yet again. Another of many unprovoked personal attacks — “Now why would that be a problem children”.
        Please stick around, Galt. You have become one of our best poster boys as an example of Progressive disrespect and manipulation. I can’t think of anybody better to wake up the innocent to the reality of where immoral, manipulative people like yourself are taking this country.

      • DaveH

        The simple answer is that the Congressmen swear to uphold the Constitution. Not part of it. All of it. Even if the Congressmen are holding their crossed fingers behind their backs during the recitation, they are still lying to the American public (Like the Progressives do on a regular basis):
        For those who don’t know what it says, look right here (certainly don’t take Galt’s word for it):

      • GALT

        Fancy seeing you here DavidH……….

        “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”. Sherlock Holmes’s aka A.C. Doyle

        BTW if they are all lying when they take the “oath”, then both Paul’s and Nepolitano would be on that list, would they not? and that would be treason, would it not?

    • SoCo Gal

      RUBIO was born in the U.S. to NON-CITIZENS – he’s an anchor baby !!

      His parents became LEGAL, NATURALIZED U.S. Citizens 15 years AFTER Rubio was born !!!!!

      He doesn’t even qualify as a VP Candidate. Why do you think Mitt quashed Trump’s Obama birther quest???

  • Paul Wells

    It couldn’t happen to a more deserving Marxist to be shown the door. Hope it does hit him in the butt!

  • Cameron

    Wayne is right. Unfortunately if enough true conservatives/libertarians dont get in the senate and house, Romney will continue the same policies. The only way it will be a landslide is if Romney promises to appoint Paul as Fed chair and give Gary Johnson a prominent cabinet position. If not, I will not vote for Romney. I will vote for Johnson or write in Paul.

  • Liberty Lover

    Excellent analysis. There are 101 better reasons to vote against Obama, but the story with the greatest potential to bring him down is the reality behind Newsweek’s “First Gay President” story. The national security implications of a closeted gay president (Obama and the Man’s Country gay bathhouse) are frightening.

    • SerfCityHereWeCome

      Lol, what “closet”? More like a glass box.

  • BJ.Holmes

    If anyone decided to find an individual more opposed to America, than Obummer, who would it be? If we never find out “who he was”, we sure see who he is…The enemy of the people.

  • Rasta

    The Racists are out in force today!

    • Warrior

      Defeating “progressives” is not racist, it is becoming a natural sport! God Bless America.

      • flipped54

        God will not bless anyone or any organization who ignores the poor, disabled and the sick. God describes those as “wicked” and they will be done away with and will be no more.

      • scshute

        Here’s the difference, “flipped” (and please, TRY to get it through your liberal pea brain this time):

        God was talking about an INDIVIDUAL responsibility to care for the poor, the sick, the widow and orphan. NOT a GOVERNMENTAL responsibility. In fact, by using GOVERNMENT as a proxy to absolve us of our INDIVIDUAL responsibility to care for the “least of these,” we are actually DISOBEYING God.

        Got it?

    • rb

      Yes they are Rasta. Your posts are overwhelmingly showing us that indeed you are a racist. Voting for and supporting a candidate for the sole reason of skin color is racist. It is just as racist as voting against someone for the sole reason of skin color. Racism has reared its ugly head too many times in the past decades around this country. It’s too bad so many racists don’t realize they are racists!

    • Steve E

      Is that all you Obama lovers can do is to call someone in opposition a racist? Remember the old saying: “He who smelt it, dealt it”? That would mean that you actually are the racist.

    • Patriot

      So Rasta, the same old tired tune, when you disagree with a minority you are a racist, is that it? You truely have no idea what that term even means, this is probably the most hurtful thing you can say about anyone, but yet liberal-progressives say it all the time. My theory has been when you are dealing with these folks the opposite is always the truth. Just look at the election coverage of Walker, the reason he won is that he had all this outside money and he outspent the competition by 7 to 1, when in fact it was $30m to $25m and all the outside money came for the Democrat establishment to his opponent. These progressive never will understand the Will of a grassroots movement.

      A few short years ago during the Obama election, remember the press was so impressed by all the outside money Obama was raising and what a great thing that was, even though most of it was illegally obtained. We need to defeat the whole bunch of them, the media, Demo”RATS” and the establishment Re”puke”icans. This is going to take many elections, the fight has started we will not be stopped, for this is in the name of liberty, freedom and the will of the people. This USA is the last best hope for the world, let’s not let the world down, our WWIII is this eclection and the next 20.

    • SerfCityHereWeCome

      Sure, there are some Obamadinejad supporters here but not that many…

    • Power To The People

      The only racism I have seen on these posts today was the jerk referring to The White Man! So who is a racist today Rasta? Friend of Holders? He is the administrations head of racism.



  • Nottakenyan

    How do you beat gangsta-rigged voting machines?

    Why will the ballots be tallied in Spain?

    The Kenyigar is up to NO good!!!

    • Patriot

      By overwhelming them, that’s how! These tricks cannot overcome a landslide!

    • Ron

      I can’t understand why Negroes don’t like being called “Kenyigars”.

      They’re all a bunch of rotten racists!

      But I bet YOUR black friends don’t mind it at all. You should ask ‘em next time you have them over for dinner…

  • Bellerophon

    Being a birther (badge proudly worn), my bet is that he will not make it to the election date, but will resign. The torch of truth is heating up on him. Soon, perhaps this month, even his most ardent supporters will begin asking questions about the emperor’s clothes.

    • eddie47d

      The Birther issue is important but could be used against the Republicans as small and petty. The Republicans have done little to stoke the economy and have done much to stall it. Does the party of NO also want to be known as the Petty Party. Now if you are a Republican you need to be asking yourself about your own party and no Obama will not be resigning to please you.

    • Karolyn


    • Steve

      Right on Bellerophon,

      Stand by and watch the ratts bail from the ship. Already happining. The Dems will have to run someone else and that decission needs to be made soon. Just watch.

    • Truth Sayer

      We can hope and pray! If oBama is allowed to stay we will not see another election, he will crown himself absolute and we will like under a dictatorship while he and Moochelle eat lots of cake.

  • gekruckeberg

    Frank Roosevelt said, “Nothinghappens by accident in politics. If it happened, it was planneed.” if that’s true, Obama is obviously trying to lose! He’s tyoo nercicistic to pull a Lyndon Johnson, but he knows that if he gets a second term, he will be removed from office in disgrace and very probably go to prision.

    • T i m

      gekruckeberg , Obama is above the law . he will not go to jail no more than REAGAN DID . Government gave REAGAN ALTHSHEIMERS DISEASE TO KEEP HIM OUT OF JAIL .

      • Carfield

        If Cheney & Bush can stay out of jail – I would think anyone can. But i can see what you wish for our Country – more hate – damn

  • Sanders

    A no vote is a vote for Obama just as much as a vote for Obama is a vote for Obama. Time to wake up supporters of Ron Paul. I like a lot of what the Dr stands for but he is never going to past muster at the RNC nor will he ever get enough independent votes. So casting a vote for him is taking a vote away from Romney.

    If Obama wins again he will be nominating as many as 3 more Liberal Supreme Court Justices. All 3 of which will be every bit as bad as Elena Kagan, nothing less than extreme judicial activists. At least one of these nominations will replace a sitting Republican, which will tip the scales to Liberals control. Then watch all our 1st and 2nd ammendment rights vanish. Obamacare, even if struck down this year, would be ushered back in. Not to mention all the other Liberal nonsense crammed down our throats.

    GOD BLESS THE USA, please!

    • flipped54

      Some have the misconception that God will bless them….God will not bless those who ignore the poor, the sick and the disabled. God refers to those as the “wicked” and they will be done away with and will be no more.

      • Patriot

        We are all for taking care of the helpless, we are not for taking care of the hopeless!

      • SerfCityHereWeCome

        Society has an obligation to those who CAN’T help themselves but owes absolutely NOTHING to those who WON’T help themselves.

      • scshute

        Cutin’ and pastin’ again, huh, “flipped”?

        Two can play at that game:

        God was talking about an INDIVIDUAL responsibility to care for the poor, the sick, the widow and orphan. NOT a GOVERNMENTAL responsibility. In fact, by using GOVERNMENT as a proxy to absolve us of our INDIVIDUAL responsibility to care for the “least of these,” we are actually DISOBEYING God.

        Got it?

        • T i m

          As I remember it , the BIBLE says , GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF HIS OWN . It also says , the poor will always be with us , IS COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD . Go back to the Book of Mathew . JESUS IS TALKING TO THE POOR IN SPIRIT , which means faith is not strong . ALL OF THE CHARACTERS AS PRESENTED IN THE BIBLICAL STORIES , HAD EVERY DAY JOBS . The whole reason JESUS WAS KILLED , HE SPOKE AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT . In that day the CHURCH WAS THE GOVERNMENT . ??????????? The welfare population is mostly crooks . Lots of the disability population is crooks . GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF HIS OWN . The rest are crooks . THE WELFARE POPULATION IS BIGGER THAT IT HAS EVER BEEN . GOVERNMENT ADDING TO IT MONTHLY . WELFARE IS PAID FROM SOCIAL SECURITY . WELFARE IS 1 0 0 TIMES BIGGER THAN THE MILITARY , which gets a lot of the blame for breaking SOCIAL SECURITY . THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOT DOING ANYTHING TO STOP IT . …………………RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

      • Steve

        God does not care about money. God cares about your spirit and being poor is being poor in spirit. The only way out is helping yourself, raising your spirit to a higher level. Learning and doing all you can as right as you can do it. In order to do so you need to have the freedom of choice. With out that we are all doomed to grovel before our masters.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Socialism and Liberalism are not in the Bible so kindly stop rationalizing your strange beliefs. It may actually help you if you read the Bible.

      • Ron

        I would argue that capitalism isn’t in the Bible either.

        • Thomas Gunn

          Actually, the fundamental principle for Capitalism is INDEED in the Bible. It is called “Free Will”.

    • DaveH

      How much wealth do you think you’d accumulate if you invested the way you vote? Do you make your investments by picking the lesser of two losing investments? I hope not. So why do you pick your Presidents that way? A Big Government Advocate will Still grow Government ever larger, and that is our problem. Whether we get to tyranny the fast way or the slow way, we will still get to tyranny. And the fast way would get us there before all the people who remember some modicum of Freedom are gone. With the slow way, there will be few people who know the solution when we have gotten to the inevitable crash of our country.

      • Steve E

        The economic crash is going to happen no mater who is President, or even who is in Congress. The choice you need to make is who is the best to manage it. To let you in on a little secret; the crash has already started. It works in slow motion. Many people’s economic world has already crashed, but other won’t notice until it is their time around.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        SteveE, I’ve been saying that for ages. No one wants to hear it but it is the truth. The collapse has already begun. It just isn’t apparent to most people. Total collapse is near. I don’t think people realize what it will mean. There will be utter chaos. There will be no food available to buy. Your dollars will be worth nothing anyway. Things will be very dangerous because people will be starving. Their children will be starving. They will kill for food. The government is planning for this with the FEMA camps. It is how they think they can control the masses. Get ready people, it is coming! Stock up on food and water and methods of defense. Say no to the government unless you won’t to be slaves.

      • DaveH

        If the majority of the citizens woke up, I believe we could turn the economy around in short order. Freedom with very small Government is so much more prosperous than our current situation that our average disposable income would probably double or better. As far as the unfunded liabilities go, a lot could be salvaged by selling off the Government assets. Some people would still be hurt, but hopefully we could manage the settlements equitably.

    • T i m

      SANDERS , ….PLEASE DO NOT FOLLOW ROMNEY IN BLIND FAITH . If Dr Paul does not get the nomination , it is because of all the people following the BUSH FAMILY to say Romney is it ……….I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT . Romney will be no different than Obama . Which nation do you want to see Romney take AMERICA in to 1 st . Saw a RON PAUL AD , in the street yesterday . Man driving a dually truck , pulling a sports car on a trailer , car was painted with RON PAUL for president . Wish I had taken a pickture of it . Welfare population is bigger than it has ever been . SOCIAL SECURITY IS PAYING WELFARE . ………….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

  • Rasta

    This crap is too funny. I can’t believe there is anyone still identifing themselves as a birther. What a farce! Racists led by crazies!

    • rb

      As spoken by an evidently true racist!

    • Ken

      Suuurrre Rasta, grow some cranial tissue and read the post by Scott In Africa below….

      Your just another brainless tool.

    • Steve E

      There you go with that racist crap again. He who smelt it, dealt it.

  • Hedgehog

    I am a Canadian. I have no horse in this race. However, I must point out to all of you that you are making one unwarranted assumption, that there will be an election in November. My gut feeling is that you are in error. All of the legislation is now in place, all that remains is for Obama to manufacture a pretext for a nationwide declaration of martial law, suspension of the constitution and setting aside the election. He will then be dictator of the US for as long as he can keep the firing squads operating. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think so! If any of you decide to refugee out to the frozen north, please bring warm winter clothing and whatever guns and ammo you can get across the border. See you real soon!

    • Karolyn

      Ain’t gonna happen! Give it a rest!

      • DaveH

        Many of the German people thought the same thing, Karolyn.
        I was watching a documentary on Hitler and the war a few months ago. There was a region in Germany that voted heavily against Hitler and wanted nothing to do with him. But after the war when the Allies had crushed Germany, those people got the same bad treatment as the rest of the German people who Did support Hitler.
        The moral of that story — you will get judged by the group you are in, whether or not you supported their actions.

    • rb

      If not this time around it will happen if a second term is “awarded”.

    • Ken



      We’re already in undeclared MARSHALL LAW!


    • Steve E

      Hedgehog, I had those same thoughts as far back as three years ago. Anything is possible. I just hope that that doesn’t happen. But if it does, some states will secede from the Union.

    • Michael J.

      We are aware of this as being one of the contengencies that exist in a sea of contengencies set to befall us.

      Thanks for the invite, but I’ll not be leaving.

      BTW, You were wrong about not having a stake in this race, dog in this hunt or whatever phraseology you used. The issues Americans face are not national, but global in scope, and effect all people everywhere.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      There is a good possibility of that happening. But will we be welcome in Canada? And will Canada be part of the north American union?

      • Hedgehog

        Speaking only for myself, Americans are always welcome in Canada. Many of our finest citizens were and are refugees from the US, and government oppression. But, be prepared for cold weather and some culture shock.

    • SoCo Gal

      Hedge, you are right on.

      My prediction:

      EURO in total collapse, USD follows, Israel attacks Iran, US follows its “ally” into Iran, Russia and China support Iran (they’ve already warned the US they will), China dumps ALL US Treasury bonds, thereby creating a total world-wide financial ecomomic collapse; WWIII ensues, US Presidential election is suspended for “war time emergency”, US Military Draft lottery is reinstated, US citizens START to wake up and smell the coffee, Martial law in US is imposed under CDC (Center for Disease Control) “quarentines” (ALL States and many muncipalities already have the declarations of quarentine in place and you can find them on the main CDC website -been posted for about 3 years now), quarentines result in FEMA camps for “infected” areas or communities, L.O.S.T is signed by U.S. allowing the UN to dictate how the US operates as a government (currently sitting at the Whitehouse desk, waiting to be signed as I type this), the non-working, non-producing popluation’s government subsidies are cut in order to support WWIII, civil unrest and disobedience esclate as the “have nots” start killing and looting those people with jobs, under NDAA “outposken” American citizens are illegally snatched off the streets, without cause, without MIRANDA to be tortured and even killed on the thumbs up of Dictator Obama, NDAA starts raiding the personal coffers of U.S. citizens, illegally impounding food, water, solar power, wind power, guns, ammunition; Nazi-like U.S. Military police roam the streets abusing their police powers, etc etc etc

      That’s why I live 100% off grid in the middle of nowhere in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. I don’t even have a physical mailing address. Lock and Load, baby

  • Lray

    Doc it seems that what you are mostly saying was already done by the Romans. We all know the out come of that empire for those that has studied any history.

  • Nottakenyan

    After listening to this tape, it sounds like the jungle bunny gets to go back home and run with the relatives! Good-bye America, Hello Kenya!!!!

    • Doc Sarvis

      Racist comment! The use of ethnic slurs reflects on you in a way you would not want.

      • Karolyn

        People like him just love to carry their anti PC to the exctreme. They love to use the old derogatory terms for Blacks for their shock value, and it gives them a kick. Stuck in the “good old days.”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        For once I agree with you, Doc.

      • Ron

        When we get that Kenyigar out of office, we’re gonna party like it’s 1859!

        ‘Somewhere in like, Alabama or Mississippi…with Nathan Bedford Forrest as the guest of honor, maybe.

    • rb

      Leave your racial slurs out of this discussion. There’s no room for that crap here!

    • Steve E

      Nottakenyan, you just opened the door for Doc and Karolyn to get their jollies off.

      • Doc Sarvis

        I get no “jollies” having to point out ignorance.

    • scshute

      Guys, this guy sounds like a DNC plant. Don’t even dignify his over-the-top racist remarks with a response.

      • Ron

        I prefer the subtler, more clever, “Kenyigar” or “Ugly Gorilla” or “Ape” or “Chimp” racism, myself.

        Then if anyone objects to the label, you can call THEM a racist for noticing!

  • Scott In Africa

    For the record, I am an American but have been outside the US for the last year. I have been stationed in Africa and more specifically have been in Nigeria for many months now. Those of you who do not know, the rest of the world is lauging at us Americans right now for two reasons. One we fell for the story that Obama was and is an American, clearly from his actions, he is anything but an American. Secondly that we still are told and believe that he was born in Hawaii. It is comon knowledge and highly celebrated here in Africa that he is a son of Africa and was born in Kenya. There are many monuments all over here in Africa celebrating the fact that a man born here in Africa was able to become President of the United States. Additionally they are very well aware that he is a Muslim and will never ever be a Christian. His entire mission is to weaken the great nation of the United States and transfer the wealth and prosperity out of there. I have met many people from his village in Kenya, old and young and they have told me and showed me many things that prove beyond any doubt where he comes from and what he intends to do. Wake up my fellow Americans and remove him from power while we still can. Given another four years and he will transfer everything he can to the United Nations because he fully intends to become the next leadr of the United Nations so that he can become the Supreme leader of the World. He is a Very Very dangerous man and if you don’t stop watching American Idol and all the other [expletive deleted] distractions the media throws up, our country will soon become just another third world nation. We killed the U.S.S.R. and now their communist/Socialist plant is in a positiion to do it to us. If you people knew what I know, you would never even consider voting for this very dangerous man!

    • Nottakenyan

      BHO = LFN—————Nothing more, nothing less (period)

      A person has to earn respect, this worthless POS never will !!!!!!

    • eddie47d

      Those Africans can wish and hope all they want in thinking that Obama was born there. They’d be as wrong today as they will be tomorrow and are relying too much on false pride. You believing that Obama will be the leader of the United Nations such as Ban Moon is always a possibility sometime in the future but no supreme leader of the world. You need to do a little waking up yourself!

    • Ken

      Thanks for the post and the info but most of our fellow American’s are just like fish! the see the worm and they just have to eat it!

      The watch their f*ck*ing television and their evening news and buy all the bul*s**t they’re told.

      The propaganda machine is running full-tilt and even if Barry doesn’t get back into office we’ll have his equivalent in Romney who will pass every law that Barry already has been told to pass…..

      I’m beginning to think that all the REALLY smart people have moved out-of-country!

    • Disgusted with both turds

      I agree with you that Obama downright stinks. There is no real alternative except another liberal with a different badge. With Romulan we will still have:
      NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, NWO, UNITED NATIONS, NDAA, Patriot Act, AMNESTY, Gun Grabbing, TSA, DHS, and our troops will still be serving the Tel-Aviv mafia/Taliban.
      Why send the dollars to move another liberal to the whitehouse when the one in there
      now is not much different. Besides, Obama is guaranteed to get all the uneducated and unemployed to vote for him as they always do to secure those handouts that others earn
      on their behalf. Liberals and progressives have no shame at all and Romulan is cut from
      that same cloth and his war mongering self has assured Jeruselem that he will serve them. (as does Obama)

    • Karolyn

      And how do we know you’re not a paid shill sitting in your living room in Podunk, USA? – OR – How do we know you’re not somebody with a screw loose? Answer is you cannot prove you are who you say you are and that you have heard what you say you heard. Allegations about Obama being born in Kenya have been refuted, although I’m sure you won’t believe them anyway, so I won’t even look for them.

      • Jack S

        Who refuted the allegations about nobamas birth certificate? What professional has come forward and said it is real ? Besides someone from the white house.

      • Scott In Africa

        I would be glad to prove to you I am who I said I am and I am where I said I am. If you would like I can send you a picture of me in Africa today holding a local newspaper or better yet I can give you the name of the hotel I am staying at and you can look up the phone number for it on the internet and call me. Also if your welfare check is large enough, maybe you can get off you ass and come over here and see for yourself. I assume you are on the Obama payroll because that is the only reqason you would ever defend him. If you were not so busy watching American Idol and smoking your crack pipe you would be able to tell the truth from the bull***. See unlike you, I work for a living and some of the places I work are the most dangerous an hostile places on the planet. But I am sure that as long as you keep getting your free handouts you will keep supporting the loser in the Whitehouse instead of using your head to seek the truth for yourself. Good Day Madame, may you get what you deserve!

      • Patriot

        If that is true, just show us the proof! If you are defending this fraud, you and people like you should be screaming for the proof so you do not have to defend the lie, right? So, why aren’t you? Because you cannot “handle the truth”! or worse do not want to know!

      • Steve E

        Karolyn, get a ticket to Africa and meet Scott there, and let him show you around the people there and see what he says is true. If you find out that those people are saying the exact things that Scott mentioned, then you can do one of two things: You can say “OK, I just learned something new”, or you can just keep denying the truth by saying that the airplane you flew to Africa did not take you to Africa, but instead, flew you to a large Hollywood set where it was staged to look like Africa, and Scott and the Kenya people were just actors. Then you can demand more proof by saying, “I want proof that I am really in Africa.”

      • Karolyn

        Scott – Why do people like you always have to ASSume that people who disagree with you are paid to do so and don’t actually “work”, that we all are taking handouts? We all get what we deserve; it’s called karma; and I have a good life that’s getting better every day. Why would I not question your veracity? You’re just some person sitting at a computer somewhere. I am not necessarily supporting Obama when doing so. I am actually going to vote for Paul. I’m just tired of rumor-mongering. I have read that the interview with Obama’s grandmother was embellished to reflect her saying he was born there. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the source; I read so much. Also, of course, the people would latch onto a rumor like that and build statues. What a wonderful coup for them.

      • eddie47d

        Scott can brag about working in Nigeria but he better tread carefully. Nigeria is run by a dictator who can’t control the continuous civil war going on there. This dictator is a billionaire and the people are dirt poor. Nigeria has one of the worst environmental records in the world and tops in Africa. There is little trickle down from the wealthy oil companies (Chevron,Shell,et al) that do business there.Nigeria is corrupted to the core but I bet Scott is doing very well.

      • Michael J.

        The events and the scenarios you profess concerning the natural born Kenyan are well known and I agree with most. Not to belittle your efforts but, similar weighty evidence has come to light here and has seemimgly had little effect. Blatant outright lies that would have been a career ender for a Republican are being now routinely shot down
        or just ignored out of hand in order to shield their beloved Messiah.

        If you sincerely have knowledge that may help turn the darkness into daylight, I suggest you submit such to or the Drudge Report.

      • Jay

        Karolyn says: Allegations about Obama being born in Kenya have been refuted.

        I wouldn’t use the word, “refuted”, Karolyn. Perhaps, “challenged”, but not, refuted!

      • SoCo Gal

        Actually, I can prove who I am. An original certified copy of my birth certificate, complete with the original raised seal, sitting in the right hand top dresser drawer, tucked into my U.S. passport. I’ve held a U.S. passport since I was 17 and an exchange student to Argentina. My birth cert copy is 32 years old. I had to have it when I got married. I even have my original marriage certificate issued 32 years ago along with my original hospital-issued birth certicate with my tiny adorable foot prints on it ! All of these documents have survived 2 house fires, a flood and about 10 separate moves across country

        I attended grade school and HS in the same area and have 1000′s of people who know who I am. I graduated in 1974 – you can still get my HS transcripts today. I attended Junior College in the same area – ditto on those transcripts.

        I hold multiple professional licenses in 3 states since 1987. In order to obtain and retain them, I’ve been subject to finger-printing and extensive background checks. Did you know that professions like real estate, insurance and even HAIRDRESSING require licensing in most states and in order to be licensed, you must have back-ground checks.

        Additionally, I am required to complete 24 hours of continuing education in order to retain my professional license every licensing period.

        I have been wire-tapped and thoroughly investigated by the FBI in order to testify for the Feds in an international financial scam. They had to make sure I was “clean” in order to be their witness (Side note: the bad guys were eventually convicted and the good guys won – god bless America)

        I used to own restaurants and do community theatre – there are 1000′s of people who could tell you who I am, where they know me from, etc even though I may not remember them or know them personally. I guess that makes me semi-famous !

        I have met celebrities: Rock and Roll musicans, politicans, actors, jazz artists, worked on high level civic and community projects, am a public speaker at industry conventions, am sought out as an expert in my field.

        Come to think of it, I have better credentials that I can PROVE than what our current sitting president does.

        So, now that you know MY story, let’s hear yours. I admit – my real name is NOT SoCal Gal nor is it User12000 nor is it MadDog2020.

        You see, because in a public forum, “accusing” someone that they might not be who they really say they are is rather ridiculous.

        • Liberty Lover

          Could Obama get top-secret security clearance without first being elected POTUS? I’m inclined to doubt it.

          • Thomas Gunn

            To: Liberty Lover who writes: “Could Obama get top-secret security clearance without first being elected POTUS? I’m inclined to doubt it. “….

            ….The answer to this is unequivocally…..No, he could NOT have obtained a top-secret (or even “secret” clearance), nor should he still be able to obtain one, if he were held to the same standard as any other citizen in this country.

            I myself worked for NASA (30 years ago), as a young engineer on the shuttle program and obtained a top-secret clearance as requirement for my job. 5 Years later I was a “cadet-applicant” for the FBI special agent program (I later quit due to an injury, before completing the academy) and for which I had to re-qualify for top-secret (which expires periodically)

            Both times, I was required to take a polygraph-test during a standardized questionnaire-interview. Among the questions, I was asked if I had ever “experimented with, or regularly used illegal drugs including marijuana, cocaine, or heroine” ? Anyone who either truthfully answers yes, or lies about having done the above, is immediately disqualified from obtaining a secret, or top-secret clearance.

            In “Dreams from my Father”; Obama proudly admits to having “used drugs and cocaine enthusiastically” (quote – unquote). Based upon his own admission, in his 1995 autobiography; he should have already been disqualified (then and now) from obtaining any level of clearance, let alone a top-secret clearance, and should NEVER have been qualified to even run for Senate, let alone office of President on those grounds alone (his questionable birth eligibility notwithstanding).

            Obama and I are virtually the exact same age. I started my life as an aerospace engineer at Kenndy Space Center, and after WORKING as an engineer for 9 years, returned to academia to EARN graduate degrees in Finance and Economics. I paid for my entire education MYSELF.

            When I was an undergraduate engineering student, WORKING my way through school; I had a choice. There were drugs all around me, marijuana, cocaine, qualudes, even heroine. I CHOSE to obey the law, and abstained from ever even trying them. I felt that in working like a dog to PAY for my education, I had something to lose. At that time, I had ambitions to work in the space program, and even had (perhaps childish) ambitions to one day qualify as an astronaut (a pipe dream, for an un-connected poor kid earning his own way). Given those dreams, I CHOSE NEVER to use drugs in order to not disqualify myself from that ambition. I have met thousands of men my age, who conducted themselves likewise, for similar reasons. Men of CHARACTER, and INTEGRITY, men who have EARNED the respect and trust of their peers.

            What CHOICES did our “president” make during those same formative years ? He CHOSE to “use drugs and alcohol enthusiastically”, to quote his own words.

            The FACT is; that he benefitted handsomely from his race, in order to attend schools like Columbia and Harvard on “affirmative action” benefits (the kinds of ivy league universities that are completely unaffordable to most middle class Americans like myself) while others like myself had to work 2 or 3 jobs while indebting ourselves to the tune of nearly $100K in student loans just to EARN our degrees. What does it say about this man’s character, to have thumbed his nose at, and abused the entitlement benefts afforded him in his youth; while CHOOSING to ABUSE ILLEGAL DRUGS ? This of course, is a rhetorical question.

            Obama is a fraud. He is an Arrogant, Sociopathic, Narcissist, who believes that the rules are made only for others to follow; while being bent for him, because he truly believes he is special (his inability to speak without a teleprompter notwithstanding).

            The Sheeple in this country who continue to support this FRAUD, are of either of two kinds: They are either as deluded about him, as he is about himself ………..
            or they themselves are such degenerates, that they feel a kind of victory, in having someone at least as character-flawed as they are in a position of power.

            As an engineer I have had the priviledge to have known and worked with some of the most brilliant people in the World, some of whom were veterans of the Apollo program. More recently, I”ve had the priviledge of working with some of the top minds in finance, economics, and industry, some of them very well known but whom I respect too much to name-drop here. I can unequivocally say I do not count Obama as being anywhere near, the caliber of these people. He is economically illiterate, his knowledge of the Constitution is grossly flawed and he has never….EVER…..held a real job in his entire life. He is so fundamentally incompetent, that I wouldn’t hire him to wash my car.

          • Liberty Lover

            Thank you for a very expansive and knowledgeable reply to my simple question. If there is anything in your reply with which I would take issue, it is this: I would let him wash my car despite his acknowledged laziness and manifest irresponsibility (not that I’m in favor of affirmative action, but I do try to avoid the “racist” label).

          • Thomas Gunn

            There was nothing “racist” in my remark that he is unqualified to wash my car. I simply assert that he is not competent enough to do a decent job at it.

          • Liberty Lover

            Understood. I had no intention of implying racism in your remarks. It seems standard in some quarters to routinely label as racist anyone whose merit-based choices do not favor a “person of color.” I am not included in such quarters.

    • Carl Manning

      You are 100% correct, my friend. Good post!!! You have done your homework. You are a patriot, a gentleman, and a scholar. I salute your due diligence for your country.

  • dion puzon

    I don’t know where the blame lies or why is it that a lot of Americans do have their heads buried deeply in the sand or in their ‘arses’. Is it not enough that he told us countless lies, and refuses to produce and release his real birth certificate? Is it not enough that he has used a bogus SS#? Is it not enough that he has a fake selective service card? Should I go further? And what about the disappearance or death of those who threatened to let the cat out of the bag? Why is he being made to be above the law? Why is he being let free from responding to subpoenas legally issued by the courts to respond to legitimate questions? What about the DOJ’s obvious motive to defraud our forthcoming elections by telling the state of Florida to not dare purge the state’s registration records? Why are we being blind to all these facts? Have we all become ‘sheeple’ being led to be slaughtered? God forbid! But God will only help us if we help ourselves first, and I firmly believe that the recall election here in Wisconsin will be the model to all the states, “all 57 of them,” that citizens of this nation, not the executive branch not the union bosses, are still the real determiners of our fate and destiny.


    • eddie47d

      You left out that Corporatocracy (ALEC,Citizens United and the rest of the Elites) run this country and control our destiny!

    • rb

      To my recolection the recall vote in Wisconsin went quite well for Governor Walker. It was refreshing to see him do well agains the machine that has tried to destroy his efforts. I hope he is an inspiration to every person that wants to free themselves from the establishemnts abuse. It can be done and people will back it.

    • flipped54

      No where in God’s Word does it say God helps people who help themselves. He helps people who help others….the entire inhabited earth is being mislead by these very ones.

  • flipped54

    Another super PAC well paid propagandist….America has been bought and is in deep trouble because of secretive big money propaganda.

  • Fort Worth Yankee

    There is one major factor I don’t think Mr. Root is taking into consideration;

    Obama is planning on stealing the election.

    While I agree with Root on his opinions of the major groups in this election, he is not considering the “Chicago Way” of curruption in politics. There will be many more Black Panthers at the polling places, and Holder will be challanging the resulyts in many states. This election will be less like the Carter vs. Reagan election in 1980 and more like the Bush vs. Gore election in 2000.

    • eddie47d

      Maybe it will be the Republican way where the massive inflow of money in Wisconsin tipped the balance in their favor or it could be where Gore won the majority popular vote but lost the election. As far as the NBP’s question goes, Naw! Why are you playing that hyped up old horse? Elections can be rigged in many ways and not always by whom you think.

      • T i m


  • Frank Yelt

    Of all the things that Pandora let out of the box…it wasn’t “Hope!” I like what Wayne says but I am not hopeful because of the growth of the “event horizon” of people spiraling into the black hole of defeat, despair, laziness, stupor and lust. It is so easy to collect the unemployment, social services and therefore votes with infinite extensions given by a power seeker that understands the sloth created by such social grants.

    • Ken

      Great post Frank – the “Event Horizon” is coming…. Hallejula!

      • Steve E

        Many are already sucked into the black hole, and will never come out.

      • Frank Yelt

        Yeah….you know that might be the only hope…in 100 years there will be all new people…

        I did my best, it wasn’t much
        I couldn’t feel, so I tried to touch
        I’ve told the truth, I didn’t come to fool you
        And even though it all went wrong
        I’ll stand before the Lord of Song
        With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah

  • Mark Are Reynolds

    Unless Ron Paul is nominated, the landslide won’t mean crap. It will just mean a switch to a new boss that is the same as the old boss. Bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs. Romney DESIGNED Obama care. The only difference between the two is that Romney has a white face. Want REAL change…then we need to have a landslide for Ron Paul. Otherwise, we are heading for the OTHER box, the one that comes after the ballot box.

  • Norm

    Poll Date Obama (D) Romney (R) Spread
    RCP Average 5/9 – 6/5 47.7 44.7 Obama +3.0

    • Norm

      Rcp averages rasmussen, gallup, cnn pew,abc, and nbc polls. Even right wing rasmussen is calling it a tie.



    • Norm

      Are you sure that’s where those lips are?

  • Jack S

    NDAA SECTION 1021. This is enough reason by itself to throw this illegal out of the country. Nobama can detain any citizen, anytime, anywhere, forever without trial. Sounds like what Hitler did.

    • Disgusted with both turds

      And Romney supports it ….it won’t be changed by him!

    • eddie47d

      Section 1021 is disgusting and needs to be deleted but Obama was adamantly against sec 1021 and wanted it removed. He didn’t get his way as so many of you assume that he does. NDAA is mainly in support of our defense industry and the military and had to be signed at some point. Now you can say Obama should have vetoed this bill but that would have labeled him anti-defense and anti-military which he isn’t. The Republicans who pushed NDAA put him between a rock and a hard place. They are the enemy of common sense ,decency and your rights..

    • Ron

      Hmm….Come to think of it, it sounds e-x-a-c-t-l-y like what President Cheney did!

      But I felt so much more, y’know, PATRIOTIC when he did it.

      He was so much more righteous and well, (eyes dart quickly to either side) *non-swarthy–if you know what I mean*…(whispers) Y’know, non-kenyigar…*

      And he WAS our War President and Decider–and he got Bin Laden!

      I’m pretty sure he did, ’cause I saw his boy humbly struttin’ and crowin’ on that aircraft carrier and I’m pretty sure that’s what that was about…

      …or at least it was somethin’ good, ’cause Fox New sure was proud of that boy, and his daddy, President Cheney!

  • John Terry

    Unfortunately, this President’s hope and change has been dismally weak and negative. His record speaks volumes to any who want to see. He is , I believe, also the most un-American and anti-liberty President ever. He needs to go out with a landslide loss!

    • Wildey

      It’s been said, all you have to do to find where Ameica is and going is look in the mirror. The buck stops with the people.

  • Scott In Africa

    My Fellow Americans,
    I hope and Pray that each of us here that know the truth will be ablt to convince those lost souls what is coming if we do not stand up and do the right thing. I witness everyday what happens when the citizens have been stripped of their guns and their voices. I am stationed in Nigeira and for those of you who do not know, this is one of the most corrupt places on the planet. This is what happens when the Government no longer fears the people because they have no guns or weapons to defend themselves. Please please wake up and tell all of your friends and relatives to get out and register to vote. I do not know what else to say other than time is not our friend. If Obama wins another term, our county is doomed! I witnessed a very tragic event here in Nigeria this pas Sunday. For those of you who do not know, there was a plane crash and in that plane was a very dear friend of mine. I only escaped being on the plane because God chose to spare my life. I was supposed to go on a trip to another city and had I gone, I would have been on that ill-fated flight. But as God would have it, I did not travel. I only tell this because that flights fate was a prime example of what happenws when the Goverment takes over and becomes so involved with the enrichment of the ruling class that it considers its citizens to be expendable. If the United States continues down the path it is on, and continues to allow the current administration to stay in power, they will soon decide the we American citizens are also expendable. Be afraid my Fellow Americans, be very Afraid, for the time is fast approaching that we will wake up and realize that all of the freedoms we once enjoyed have been removed and the new Dictatorship is now in full swing. DO NOT FALL ASLEEP OR YOU CAN BE SURE THAT THE NEXT TIME YOU WAKE UP, YOU WILL BE JUST ANOTHER EXPENDABLE PESSANT THAT IS IN THE WAY OF THE DICTATOR! It is time to wake up and pay attention, this very well may be the last free election we will ever see, that is assuming that this upcoming election even happens!

    • Doc Sarvis

      Soooo dramatic. Be afraid, be very afraid. Ha! Seriously. HA!

    • Wildey

      IScott in Africa, It’s been said, until people realize they are sick, they won’t look for a cure. Hopefully your comments didn’t fall on empty ears. There’s volcanoes ready to erupt around the world. Zionist Israel, Iran, Syria, the mideast etc. and guess what? America’s in the middle of them all. Our pick of tyrants to rule America will only take us closer to the abyss.

  • Norm

    It’s easy to stone Obama, but take a good hard look and listen to Flip Romney.
    The man invented Obamacare, has been on both sides of every issue, and wants an unlimited removal of cap. gains taxes. His tax burden will jump from 17% in 2011 to 0.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Exactly right Norm.

    • Jay

      Actually, its easy to stone both of them. So what’s your point, Norm?

  • uvuvuv

    nancy, race is part of it. the germans have a word for it, mensch, or folks like us. this is who you want for neighbors and friends, and especially as the president. the blacks have a parallel society that puts them in a different way of thought and perception. it might not be a bad or wrong way of thinking, but there is a disconnect with how the two races think and act. either it gets into basic genetics or it goes back to their equatorial origins, versus the cold and unforgiving northern european winters. the dems are vehement believers in evolution but would denounce this obvious result of the darwinism process. compounding obama’s disconnect is his background in hawaii and then indonesia. he probably never saw a cupcake until his grandmother took him in. if he’s turned out this will be part of it.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      That’s a bunch of bunk! My daughter in law is black. She is no different than we are!

  • simian pete

    I heard Romney attended Bilderbergers … Mr. Root is probably right ? But then again, I hear Obama is going to outspend Romney for the campaign. Anyhow, if Bilderbergers chooses Romney – he should win. BUT THEN AGAIN – The Republicans have been acting pretty retarded the last decde or two – they have a tendency to BLOW a sure thing….

    Dumb Republicans !

    Ron Paul for President !!!!!

    • Wildey

      It’s Republicrats Simian Pete. With Romney we’d be switching from Arsenic to Cyanide. There’s one thing Hitler, Stalin, Caligula and their ilk had in common. There all narcissistic. Guess what? Clinton, Bush, Obama and Romney all have that same trait. Your right, it’s Ron Paul or abyss. Read up on John 3:16. It’s an emergency.

      • timmy octavio

        wildy obumer will lost big time and gop will win landslide. as what happened on 2010 election and lately in prepared november more are coming.

  • Wildey

    Obama may loose in a landslide but what will repace him? While Bush was in he gave us Patriot act, homeland security and a host of other things that were designed to trash our Constitution. He himself called our Constitution nothing but an old piece of paper. People trusted Bush with those tyrannical documents, never considering who would have them after him.

    Say Romney beats Obama. Do you really think we will be better off or will Romney expand the power in the federal government even more than Bush and Obama? Trust Romney? Well then I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Obama’s evil beyond anything America’s every experienced but is he the ultimate evil? In my mind Romney adds cunning to the list. He’s counting on this hatred for Obama to win, meanwhile he’s stirring his own pot of poison for America. These candidates, with the exception of Ron Paul, all are running with their own will and appetite in mind, not to serve the people and their Constitution. Romney and Obama say what their surveys say they should say.

    Maybe Romney’s business acumen will buy America a little more time but his view on foreign policy won’t. As the BRICS, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, solidify against us, believing might makes right won’t cut it. No, we’ve put our hands back into a barrel full of Cobras and rather than get away from them once and hopefully for all, we’re latching on to another one. Read The fall of the Athenian Empire. Your living it. The only thing new is the history you haven’t read yet.

    • 45caliber


      I agree that I don’t believe that Romney will be the man we actually need in Washington. But he can’t be WORSE than Oblama and he might actually be better. So I can’t say I’ll vote for Oblama and his terrible policies in preference to someone who might be terrible too.

      • timmy octavio

        we know obumer is no good why not we try mitts. just were trying to taste a new menu or new food.right. give chance to others.

  • http://None Mike C

    If I were an oddsmaker I would have trouble writing Obama off. For the simple fact that he won in 2008.

    Take a man with a questionable idealogy, questionable background, and the emptiest resume we have ever seen and put him in office to lead the free world…? That tells you where the voters heads are at.

    Don’t discount this administration. They will play the same cards as before- all blame can be laid on George Bush, the republicans, the bankers, and especially capitalism. They will twist facts. They will get people thinking that the wars cost this country more than the entitlements. They will convince the voters that the rich “fat cats” are not paying their fair share. They will convince people that Obama did reach across the aisle and that the GOP wouldn’t work with him. Obama will speak at the convention and talk about the raid for Bin Ladin- he will spike the football and thousands will cheer. Perception is everything and they are masters at managing perception…

  • Sheryn

    So, Scott in Africa, where is all this proof ? Why hasn’t anyone over here found it ? You must be smokin some really good stuff over there !!

    • Scott In Africa

      It is hard to find the truth when you do not look for it. You see there has been much written and much of the evidence has been shown, but when you have it in your mind that you do not want to know the truth, you will never find it. If you think that the media in the U.S. is ever going to show you the truth, then you are nothing but a follwer. You see, if you are not willing to lead, then you have no choice but to follow. I for one chose to lead and I have seen the proof and have no doubt what the truth is. But for me to try and convince someone who is hell bent on living in denial, it would be a waste of time. So if you want to know the truth, then seek it and you will find it. As they say, if it looks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, and it walks like a duck, what do you suppose it is? Can you give me one good reason why the President of the United States would hide all of the records from his past? I mean honestly why???? Ask yourself this question. If you were running for President would you be proud to show what you have accomplished up to that point or would you pay millions to hide your history??? Come On People…..It is a duck!

      • Sheryn

        That is just a bunch of crap— You did not answer me , I don’t want a bunch of Bull —- Just answer the questions, if you really know the answer which I dout. You can not like Obama if you don’t want to but to try to spread lies is stupid.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Scott, it doesn’t matter what you say to people like Sheryn. They refuse to even look at the evidence that there is and it is adding up quickly. When people rely on the main stream media for their news, they will get no news. Sheryn, the day will come that you will be forced to accept the truth and you will not be able to blame anyone for your not seeing it. You have heard the truth and refuse to accept it. When it is too late, you will know that you and others like you, are to blame for what befalls this country. We need truth not denial!

        • Sheryn

          I don’t watch main stream news. I read everything I can get my hands on. I won’t believe what you say without proof. You are a crazie like Scott. I don’t know where you people come from @!#!%!#@%!@#$

    • Scott In Africa

      One thing you will find in life is that there are people that can be told stories and they will believe anything you tell them. I am not one of those people. I spent most of my life seeking the truth and the facts. In law Enforcement that is what we were taught to do. So when I came to Africa, and the opportunity arose for me to seek the truth, I did. I cannot say I was happy with what I found, because it showed me just how easy it was for the American people to be deceived. But it also showed me just how powerful the media can be. And even more scary is the fact that it showed me something that I really never thought could happen. I have seen many coups in my career. They are very common in third world countries. But never in a million years did I think it would be possible to over thow the US Government without ever firing a shot. Boy was I wrong! Wake up my Dear, you have been, as a matter of fact all of us have been, duped! This was a well thought out and well orchestrated coup and it to years of planning and some very powerful and well financed groups to make it happen. I am in the intelligence business and I can assure you that this is the biggest coup ever executed and the fact that the people of the US still do not know it happened is a testament to exactly how powerful and well connected and thought that this was. I am sorry if you do not believe it, but sometimes the truth is right in front of our noses ans we still refuse to see it.

      • Sheryn

        i’m certainly not believing your storey. I read all that crap on the internert and I’m not buying it. Its all lies to scare us. If it were true we would never find out about it. They would not be that stupid. So try another storey. If it were true you should go talk to the news papers and news channels, Then if you get killed i’ll know you were telling the truth.

      • Scott In Africa

        I am not sure that you would recognize the truth if it hit you upside your head! Either you are uneducated or you are just naive, but either way you are a danger to yourself and others. Open your eyes and your ears. God gave you tow of each for a reason. He gave you one mouth, but I am certain that you use that more than either of the other two aforementioned tools. I am sorry for you. When you are unable to write comments here freely because that liberty has been removed, then perhaps you will believe. But I doubt it.

      • Carl Manning

        So true, Scott! The powers that be love to put a little bit of truth in broad daylight among all the lies they tell us on the MSM for their own comic effect. Take for example 911, the government’s inside job with the CIA-controlled MSM. The towers were taken down with underground nuclear demolitions. This, of course, has been well hidden from the American public, but what did the CIA-controlled MSM call the place after the towers went down: “GROUND ZERO”. Ground Zero technically refers to the point where a nuclear bomb goes off. This is intended to give the powers that be an inside joke on the American Sheeple.

  • Karolyn
  • Sirian

    Here’s a link to an article that I think all should read:
    Wonder what the odds will move to as more of this and who knows what else is revealed?

  • Rasta

    God I’m glad WAR did not become president!

  • Sheryn

    Rasta pretty much summed it up– Racists led by Crazies !!!!!!

    • SoCo Gal

      @ Sheryn

      My sister-in-law as well as many friend are gay, we have multiple family members whose adopted children were born in: Brazilian, Cuban, Phillipino, Russia, Jamaica, and various other countries. I’ve live near Chicago, 8 miles outside of NYC, near Newark New Jersey, heck I’ve even LIVED (not visited) in a foreign country where I had to speak the native language and no English ! My business associates and friends come from all walks of life – from dirt farmers to Wall Street executives. My current location is a bounty of ethnic diversity and wonderful melting-pot of bi-lingual citizens (and probably numerous not so legal citizens).

      Color, religion and even politics don’t make me judge a person. A person gains my respect by being a RATIONAL, THINKING PERSON who can discuss (even heatedly) issues without playing the race or class war card. Someone who is respectful of others, but who has individualistic ideas. I’ve been rich, I’ve been poor, I’ve lived without running water or flush toilets or a car and many of the “every day life” the things we here in the U.S. take for granted.

      When Katrina hit, my website was the first one up, offering assistance and housing to those who had to evacuate and find housing elsewhere. It was a free service to all and we kept the initiative alive for 5 years after the disaster. I had volunteers literally, from all over the WORLD assisting us. (Thanks to our good friends down-under in Australia for their time and dedication)

      I live 100% off grid, tending to the Earth, not destroying it. I can be 100% self-sufficient so that I don’t even have to go to a grocery store if I don’t want to.

      I am FAR from racist or crazy. TRUTH is an amazing thing – it is both refreshing and scary.

      Just open your eyes and BREATHE it in

  • Larry

    The people that concern me are those who, after all that has occurred, will still vote for Obama. What in the world has to happen for these folks to wake up??!!

    • Carl Manning

      Camp FEMA, maybe, unless they put tv’s in the camps!

    • T i m

      Simple answer here Larry . The welfare population has got to miss a paycheck , before they wake up . Same with any other person for any reason . People do not get involved , good or bad , till you mess with their money . EVERY ONE BETTER GET READY . AMERICA’S CURRENT CONTRACT WITH FEDERAL RESEARVE , EXPIRES NEXT YEAR . …………..NO MATTER WHO PRESIDENT IS , OUR MONEY CHANGES , UNLESS O BAMA EXTENDS THE CURRENT CONTRACT . My money is in my pocket . I have nothing in the bank for government to freeze , same as after nine eleven . I pay my taxes once a year . I do not contribute to the welfare population . My social security is in my pocket . ………………RON PAUL FOR PRSIDENT .

  • 45caliber

    Well, I certainly HOPE that Oblama will lose in a landslide but too many top level Demos, including Oblama, act as if that will never happen. In fact, they act as if the Demos will never again be out of office in the WH or the Congress.

    What I’m afraid of is that the unions hired to program the voting computers will do as they did in NV when Reid was last running or they do in CA and insure that regardless of how you may have voted, your vote is counted for Oblama. Either than or he just declares martial law.

    • Sheryn

      I hope he does anything to keep Romney out.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So according to you, O should use any devious means possible to ensure his reelection.

        • Sheryn

          Don’t worry he won’t need to. All the smart people will vote for him.

        • T i m

          The welfare population is bigger than it has ever been . EVERY RECORDED WAGE EARNER IN THE NATION , INCLUDING DEMOCRATS , ARE PAYING THE WELFARE POPULATION . …….WELFARE IS PAID FROM SOCIAL SECURITY . Mr. Obama already said , he is not concerned with the labor force . HE IS GOING AFTER THE …UN EMPLOYED ….. WELFARE POPULATION . Same people as before will do it again . ADD THE TEACHERS UNION TO IT . ……………….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

      • Ron

        He can’t use the Florida Election Commision or the Supreme Court though…the Republicans bought those in 2000, so I think the American people are wise to that game…

      • T i m

        Ron Paul AIN’T QUIT YET ……………………..RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT

    • 45caliber


      I guess you consider all the welfare recipients to be the smart ones then since those are Oblama’s strongest base. Perhaps you are one? In any case, I don’t believe that the “smart” voters will vote for him. Smart people don’t tend to believes lies.

  • Mirage

    W.A.R. could be correct that Obama looses, but then, what a choice: hmmm lets see ….
    we have either the Right, under whose leadership (primarily) the economy imploded with George W. Bush going against his Republican ideology in bailing out Wall St/Big Business,
    Obama … a guy who is not rocking the boat, is maintaining the status quo for Wall St (NO ONE HAS GONE TO JAIL) and who, in many ways, is maintaining some Bush policies.

    Given such a choice, I’m voting for OBUMMER, rather than MITT THE SH#T GECKO and a return to the same Republican Party under whose watch, sent America down the toilet. What a pathetic choice to have in a 2 1/2 party system … extremes on both ends, and everyday Americans continue to be screwed.
    Well, if Mitt Gecko does become our next president, perhaps it’ll be a more desireable outcome, in that, what needs to happen to our political machine will be accelerated: demonstrations, riots, and perhaps even violence. I don’t see any other way for real change, cause’ voting hasn’t done anything substanative for middle Ameica in the last 35 years.

  • David Eanes

    When are we going to start blaming the real group. It is not the President. It will be no difference if Romney wins or Obama wins, wheather the President is black, while, hispanic, asian etc… The real culprit here is CONGRESS. They vote strictly along party lines, regardless of whats in the best interest of you and I. You will never hear one party say to the other, “Hey thats a great idea, the American people need that. Let’s all just vote that in today…Great job!” Now, will you? Congress votes their own raises, they pay for no healthcare for themselves or their familys, they get their salary for life, and I could go on and on. Congress should not be able to pass any bill/law they directly beneift from. The American people should pass their pay increases based on the job they have done for us. In addition, we should DEMAND term limits for ALL ELECTED offices. From the County Sheriff up to the President, including congress.Two terms and you are out, with a benifit package that is directly related to their performance while in office. No more life long members of Congress with 20-30 years of service, and in bed with everybody that can make them even richer. Two terms limits those relationships. Why is it that the Pres, Gov.,etc.. are the only ones with term limits? In closing, It is not the presidents fault, number 44 or the others. It is Congress’s and ours, the American people for allowing them to remain in office long enough to gain the power they have. We need an ALL NEW CONGRESS, on BOTH sides of the aisle.

    • Carl Manning

      “Why is it that the Pres, Gov.,etc.. are the only ones with term limits?”

      Because an Amendment was passed to the US Constitution to term-limit the Presidency after FDR served three terms as President. Governors would be term limited by either their current State Constitutions, Amendments to their respective State Constitutions, or legislation passed by their State legislatures and signed into law that has not yet been shot down by any judge. The GOP after they took control of the House in 1994 tried to pass term limits but were shot down by a federal judge’s ruling in a term-limits case that said it was un-Constitutional, which technically was correct. The proper response was to push for a term-limits Amendment to the US Constitution to permanently overthrow any judges’ rulings forever. It is verifiably virtually impossible to ever get the US Congress to pass an Amendment to the US Constitution designating term-limits on Congressmen and Senators. Our Constitution provides a means whereby States can independently pass Amendments to circumvent an out-of-control Congress and/or federal government in Article V. An Article V Convention requires only the agreement/request of 2/3rds or 34 States. This requirement has actually been met on several occasions in US history, but not once has Congress ever followed their duty to call forth a Constitutional Article V Convention since its founding in 1787. In fact, Congress isn’t even keeping a running tally on how many State legislatures request an Article V Convention. This is the arrogance of our Congress that has been going on since the founding of the Constitution itself. They have no intention whatsoever to allow the States to rein in their out-of-control tyrannical power.

      • Thomas Gunn

        Here is some little known history, on presidential term limits: You are correct that it was FDR’s 3+ terms in office, which ultimately compelled a senate bill to be introduced putting term limits on office of the president. The main reason this was done, was because during FDR’s 12 years in office, he was able to appoint 8 of the 9 supreme court justices; all of which he selected as reflections of his own ideology. This effectively eradicated the fouding priniciple of “separation of powers”; such that every liberal marxist bill that FDR signed into law; would remain forever unchallenged in terms of constitutionality by “his” progressive Supreme court.

        Ironically, it was then Senator Richard Nixon, who wrote and introduced the bill imposing presidential term limits.

        From one of my other recent posts, in an article entitled “The Ascendence of Sociopaths in US Governance”, the following passage applies perfectly in this context:

        “……They (sociopaths) are drawn to government and other positions (of power) where they can impose their will on other people and, because they’re enthusiastic about government, they rise to leadership positions. They remake the culture of the organizations they run in their own image. Gradually, non-sociopaths can no longer stand being there. They leave. Soon the whole barrel is full of bad apples.”

        This is what has happend to the US Government, and why it is now fundamentally corrupt.

  • Dennis Thompson

    Wayne…Ron Paul? Gary Johnson. Mitt Romney has the most comphrehensive plan ever put out by a Presidential Candidate. Gary Johnson and Ron Paul are loons. No leadership skills and very unbalanced.
    What is it you want? Mitt Romney took his state from 50th in unemployment to 11th. He cut 341 social programs to balance a 3 billion dollar deficit in the budget. That is downsizing Government. He is against cap and trade, states there is no way to even measure man’s input to climate change. He is for drilling in the united states and building more refineries.

    He has always been against federal mandates and believes things should be dealt with on a state to state approach. He was the first to present the idea of waivers against Obama Care until it can be repealed. Immigration? He defunded sanctuary cities while Governor. He is against Amnesty. Take time to look at his 844 vetoes. They are all on the conservative side of every issue. He is pro life and he governed that way. Health Care? They had a 484 Million dollar Heath Care deficit that was greatly affecting the sustainability of the states hospitals. What do you do ignore it? The concept came from the Conservative Heritage Foundations think tank. Once it was presented the Democrats made many additions to it.

    Mitt Romney vetoed 8 things in it that he knew would be problematic. He was vetoed back by a veto proof legislature. There is nothing any Governor could do, if the legislature has the majority which it did.. In the state it was, when he had to sign it in. It added no new taxes. Was 1% of the state budget. It was created for the 8% of the people in the state that caused the debts. It did not try and do away with private health care. There are good things and bad. He vetoed the bad things. By due process of American Government, he was required to sign the Bill in that present form. Any Governor would have to.

    He is a fighter. 844 vetoes, was vetoed back 700 times. What more do you want?

    He has a 169 page plan for you to read on fixing the economy
    He has so far come up with cutting 500 Billion out of the existing Budget
    He wants to have a law where it is illegal for the Government to Deficit spend

    Downsized Government
    Balanced the Budget
    Very Constitutional in his Governing
    He has already done what America needs..balanced the budget…fixed an economy with real jobs and downsized government.

    His record as Governor is better than Ronald Reagans

    He can be the next Reagan:

    • Karolyn

      Yeah, I saw Romney’s ad that says the first day he’s gonna turn water into wine, and his second day as President he’ll resurrect the dead!

      • Jay

        Didn’t the current Messiah claim the same thing; re-energize industry, put people back to work, and abolish lawlessness? Hmm, so many false Messiah’s. Perhaps we should pick the lesser of the two evil? Problem with that is, they’re both equally evil. What to do, what to do…

        • Liberty Lover

          Lesser of two evils? Absolutely. Equally evil? Not even close. If there is an “anti-Christ,” he will appear not as some monster but rather as a charming, disarming pied-piper to hell.

          • T i m

            FOR YOUR INFORMATION , ……………The anti Christ has always been with us . IT IS NOT ONE PARTICULAR PERSON . the anti CHRIST is every living breathing person on earth . ….. A persons acceptance of the principles and doctrine of salvation in JESUS CHRIST takes a person out of the life of anti CHRIST , Remember the story of the cruxifiction . The government of the day was the CHURCH . The spiritual MESSIAH had been profisied for generations . When the preist of the CHURCH relized JESUS was stealing their power over the people , THE CHURCH CONSPIRED TO KILL HIM . THEY USED THE WEAK IN SPIRIT OF THE PEOPLE . YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY . ….WE ARE THE ANTI CHRIST . ………….ONLY THING TAKES YOU OUT OF THAT ………HOW CLOSE YOU LIVE TO BIBLICAL STANDARDS . ….BIBLE SAYS EVERY KNEE WILL BOW , EVERY TONGUE CONFESS ….JESUS CHRIST . Those who refuse are already dead .

      • Jay

        LL, are you talking about Obama, or Romney?

      • T i m

        Romney will be no better than Obama . ……………..RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

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    • T i m

      B T W , RONALD REAGAN was not the dearly beloved every one is brain washed to beleive . He should have gone to jail , same as every one wants for Obama .

  • Buck

    It is so obvious that Obamass is out to destroy the United States as a viable self-sustaining republic that anyone not seeing it is a deaf,dumb, and blind moron . Also , anyone voting for him that is not a deaf, dumb , and blind moron is the very essence of evil .

    • Mirage

      Right on … because Obummer wants to destroy the United States so that the resulting collapse and violent chaos will provide inhospitable and dangerous living conditions for his children.
      OR …
      being a blind moron, you need to buy a new seeing eye dog and invest in I.Q. suppliments.
      Buck U)

      • Karolyn

        Well, you know they’re probably not his anyway because he’s gay. :-)

    • Jay

      Buck, what you say is true. However, on his own, obama would not be able to do as much as he has done. Clearly, he has the full support from both sides of the aisle! And don’t fool yourself into thinking “Magical Underwear” Romney will reverse all that obama has accomplished so far, he most certainly will not! With either one, you will be given only two choices as to the manner of death; death by firing squad, or death by guillotine! Pick the lesser of the two evils, or the manner of death least painful. Good luck!

  • Sanders

    I quit investing shortly after the ENRON scandal wiped out well over half of my portfolio. I have instead invested in my own home business.

    Based on my own experience of voting and watching elections play out over the past 30+ years, I am comfortable saying Ron Paul doesn’t stand a snowballs chance in hell of clinching the nomination unless he and his followers are planning some back door, Obama type activities.

    I am merely voting for the lesser of the 2 evils because the lesser will nominate non-liberals to the supreme court.
    As for the crash that is coming our way, it doesn’t matter who is elected this November, the crash is well underway and nobody can stop it. I am prepared for it as I have been hoarding dry foods, ammunition for all my firearms, stabilized gasoline, gardening and canning equipment, heirloom variety veggie seeds, water purification system that doesn’t require electicity to work (Berkey) and the list goes on. I do believe quite strongly that this once great nation will soon be reduced to a 3rd world country and those who are not “doomsday prepping” will pay a heavy price. Heck, with all the prepping I have been doing, I’m still not sure i and my loved ones will survive it. Afterall, if I lose my job and the wife loses hers, how will I ever keep the property taxes paid so as not to lose my house and property?

    Dave, you offer a lot of good advise in your posts and a lot of good reading. I appreciate all you do for the less informed sheople here, including myself.

    • DaveH

      Thank you.

  • Wyatt

    Interesting if somewhat passionate discussion this morning . We’ve got Doc who seems to think we are better off than we were four years ago . A few who wish to buy into Obama , “Blame Game” , not my fault blame Bush . And even a few who are obviously are sitting on the couch collecting their food stamps . Oh , and lets not forget those who wish to play the race game from one direction or another . And we even have a guy believing that Barry got us out of Iraq ahead of schedule and is training our intelligence services and Military .
    Well children I think some of you have been into Joe Biden’s KOOL-AID . A. Seeing how in almost four years Barry has raised our national debt more than any President in history and has embarrassed us by bringing on the first (and possibly the second) credit downgrade in our history . Has weakened our Military with cuts in spending and by allowing open homosexuality . Advocated that same homosexuality in public life . Supported a pack of rabble in the Wall Street protests , Thrown away taxpayers money on green energy investing , companies received government money , voted themselves big bonuses then went belly up . (Hmm , makes one wonder) Can anyone say Soylantra ? We have a leader (allegedly) who has openly defied our Constitution , a document he took an oath to uphold , and publicly criticized it calling out moded and obsolete .
    And to top it all , the proof is piling up that he is not even eligible to be president of this country and that he and the leadership of the Democratic Party conspired to usurp the powers of the president for their own ends and gains .
    What we face if Barry gets his scrawny behind re-elected is a total collapse of our country brought on by an individual who is a died in the wool , socialist , Marxist , Communist Progressive , what ever you wish to call him , Narcissic Megalomaniac . He has one goal and that is to destroy America . He has lied repeatedly to the American people and needs to be removed as rapidly as possible before he does anymore damage .

    • Carfield

      See you are full of hate – sorry for you. I hate to tell you this, but Bush did get us into this with 2 wars.

      • MAP

        Carfield. You liberals are sure quick to pull out the hate word. Is it possible for you to make a statement without an accusation of hate? And, I suppose, since you are all the very pinnacle of riotousness, hate is far beneath you, right? Nonsense! I witness liberal hate on a daily basis right here at this website. Do you lemmings get emails informing you what this week’s new insult word will be? This week it’s ‘hate’. Next week it will be ‘racism’. Then, the following week it will be… Sheesh! You folk are a joke – just a bunch of ignorant, better-than-thou, hypocrites, blindly playing follow the leader. A real joke!

      • SoCo Gal

        @ Carfield

        Obama just signed us into an ADDITIOANL 10 more years in Afghanistant (for a total of 12 years from today commitment)

        We are current in miltary “confrontations” with Libya and Syria (that’s 3)

        AND he is threatening IRAN and we now have additional military in Iran besided the 30+ U.S. military bases that surround Iran ( that’s FOUR)

        Congress just “upped” military spending and decreased social services so that Obama has a great military arsenal. Oh yeah, and the Gov just purchased MILLIONS of rounds of ammo. Think the Administration is “gearing” up for WWIII?

        Obama is as war-mongering as they come. WAR is BIG BUSINESS. His cabinet and advisors are made up of former Wall Street CEOS and Big Wigs. Think their hedging their portfolios to make some money on WIII? You damned well better believe they are.

        Ever heard the phrase INDUSTRIALIZED MILITARY COMPLEX – Welcome to America

        AND OBAMA added an addtional 5 TRILLION to the debt. That’s more that then entire HISTORY of the Federal budget in just 3 1/2 years. Bush didn’t create a 10 TRILL Debt, he inherited a national debt just like many other presidents. Obama has EXCEEDED what all past presidents have done in the last 200+ years.

        So, the “blame it on Bush” just doesn’t hold water any more, does it? Time for Barry to put on the Big Boy pants and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

        What is it about failed Presidents, especially Democratic ones? To this day, Jimmy Carter still claims he was a successful president. Senility, I guess.

        Obama need to simply withdraw his candidancy and leave office – otherwise I have a feeling his future holds long long prison terms for crimes against America and Americans.

  • David

    some folks are very delusional!Obviously this man here does not even know it.Most sensible people understand the cuases of the problems we are in today.NONE of which Obama is the cuase.What hypocritical drivel this is!

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  • Humpty Dumpty

    My suggestion: Make NO bets but CORRECT voting booth decisions–NO BO!

  • Michael

    Obama may lose big time, but !..will he be put away in prison for treason against this country and it’s people for lying about being a citizen and taking office with intent of collasping our economy and destroying our way of life to a point that we can’t even protect ourselves from our enemies ?

    • eddie47d

      Michael Michael! Obama did not collaspe the economy that was taking place before the 2008 election. Military expenditures are up and unfortunately Obama is way to pro defense for my blood. He’s Conservative lite and by no means is out to destroy the USA.

      • T i m

        eddie , please stop reading the media news . Get out in the street and see what you see. FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF . IF YOU ARE LIVING ON WELFARE , YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND TILL YOU MISS A PAYCHECK . YOU ARE SO BRAINWASHED , AND SO WRONG . ………..RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT …………….

  • http://Idon'thaveawebsitebutamonFB Marie Lucas

    LOVE YOU Sir Root! Wow! You have really brightened my day. I have been so fearful of the future if The big “O” should win. Seriously, I believed the world was coming to an end.
    God very Richly Bless You Wayne Allyn Root!!!

  • Jeremy Leochner

    I disagree. I am one of the youth voters who supported Obama in the 2008 election. Am I as enthusiastic and ready to support him this time, no. I feel he has made mistakes and he has not lived up to all his promises. Though truth be told when I went to the polls I was so happy to see president bush go and have a new candidate come in I think I was half expecting Obama to walk on water, wave a magic wand and end unemployment, fix the debt and end the war on terror. Has he even come close to the level of a christ like savior, absolutely not. But could anyone with all the burdens and expectations put on Obama when he was elected, I do not believe so. I agree we need to get the debt under control but I do not believe tax cutting is the way to go. So if that is what Mr. Romney supports then I would disagree. As to Obamas “war on capitalism” and “demonize anyone who runs a small business” its hard to believe him with all the big bailouts Obama has given them or the fact that he has constantly asked them to regulate themselves rather than push for government regulation. Its still a mistake but I feel we should criticize him for the mistakes he has actually made. Also Obama did not “go to war with the catholic church”. He made a proposal for organizations associated with church’s to provide contraceptive services and have independent insurance companies pay for it. I believe people are confusing war with the church with not winning every argument. I can respect a persons personal beliefs on issues like contraception, but having to provide contraception that has been payed for by someone else based on a law by the president does not constitute a war on you or your church. I believe Obama has made mistakes but when compared with Mitt Romney I still believe I will vote for Obama. I do not believe Obama will lose and if he does it will not be a landslide. I do not believe Mr. Roots analysis of the administration is correct. I believe the president has not been that bad and I believe that he deserves another four years to try and do better and fulfill his promises. I base this on my view of the candidates. I believe if the Republicans had nominated someone like Jon Huntsman or Buddy Roemer it would be a harder choice to make. But since I disagree with Romney on numerous issues but tend to agree with President Obama I believe I will vote for him. I urge everyone of every political leanings to vote. My biggest concern nowadays is that so few people vote. I urge everyone whether they be Conservative or Liberal, Democrat, Republican or Independent, for Romney or for Obama. I urge everyone to vote for the candidate they agree with most. I will be voting most likely for Obama and I urge everyone to vote for their candidate.

    • Michael

      Boy, are you backing the wrong horse ! you can write a book on why you like Obama but the fact remains he has been placed in his position for one reason to destroy the terrible christian country of America with the help of Russia and China !, the they all look at it is Obama’s muslim brotherhood wins U.S.A. and the USSR and China become the super powers spreading their communist rule on the entire world.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I like Obama because I tend to agree with him. If I did not I would not be voting for him. He was democratically elected and his agenda is his own. Whether or not you agree with him is what matters.

    • DaveH

      It’s Jeremy, or HFlashman, or Jovianus, or …….
      Have you taken your Risperdal yet today, Flashman?

      • GALT

        Aw c’mom Dave…….say Galt, say Galt, say Galt

        Hell why not just say Sybil…………………

      • Jeremy Leochner

        or Jeremy or maybe Jeremy or perhaps Jeremy Leochner. Just as you are DaveH or maybe David or perhaps Dave. Point is I trust you and respect your integrity. Please respect mine.

      • Jay

        Dave, i think Jeremy is who he says he is. As for Galt, or is it; Flashy, denniso…who knows. He can call himself anything he likes, regardless of moniker he chooses, the personality, or lack of, is the same; annoying!

      • DaveH

        Pick the link I provided, then page down to Bob Livingston’s comment. You will change your mind.

      • DaveH

        I told Flashman a long time ago, Jay, that he should at least be smart enough to assume his other identities when he is using different ISPs. I think he probably took my advice.
        But have you noticed that when Jeremy is here, Flashman usually isn’t? Of course it would be easy for him to go mobile and thwart detection even if using both identities on the same page.
        But if you go to the provided link, Jay, and read Jovianus’s comments you will see that they are strikingly similar to Flashman’s normal postings. The Jeremy personality must take a little more effort on Flashman’s part.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Sure it could just as easily be possible that whoever flashman is just is not on when I am. I mean did you notice Dave that when your on often I am not. Could it be you are one of my personalities. Dave the link you provided is for the comments of Jovianus not mine. Dave you obviously disagree rather strongly with me. I respect that. But why is it you feel compelled to question my integrity rather than my argument or my statements. Is it so beyond the imagination for me to genuinely believe in what I say and that I am secure enough to not resort to dirty tricks to push my argument. I believe in making an honest case. I do not want to undermine my own case by pretending to be someone I am not. I just want to understand why it seems so inconceivable to you that a person could be like that.I do not wish to be rude but I really want to know why you will not simply criticize my arguments which you obviously think are foolish and misguided instead of suggesting I am not being honest about who I am. I could provide evidence of who I am. But then I would be giving personal information to complete strangers and I would rather not do that. So I will do as I have always done. I believe that you are who you say you are and I am who I say I am and no one else. So long as you continue this argument that I am not who I say I am any discussion we have will consist of nothing more then us going back and forth over whether I am Jeremy or Flashman. Meanwhile I will continue to make my comment on these articles. The best I figure is if you and I are commentating lets at least have a serious discussion over the issue instead of a childish back and forth of “your lying no Im not lying”. I am who I say I am just as you are who you say you are.

    • Steve

      How about this post just in.

      I just wanted to pass on a little info in case some of you were not aware of this. Yesterday was the Air force Academy graduation ceremony. My friend from Texas had just arrived and we drove down the road to watch the Thunderbirds fly over after the ceremony was finished. Most of you know Pres. Obama spoke at the ceremony and handed out the diploma’s. When this finished it was time for the Thunderbirds to fly-over. There was one fly-over then they disappeared. A man standing by me called a friend at Peterson Field and found out that the fly-over was halted because Obama wanted to leave. A helicopter soon appeared and flew around in a circular pattern above where we were – basically doing reconnesance as Obama’s motor-cade was exiting the Air Force Academy. He was going to Denver to do some more campaigning since Colorado is a swing state. After he left the Thunderbirds came back and continued the show for the graduates. Think about this. Obama comes to a graduation, speaks etc. then decides to leave before the Thunderbirds can complete their fly-over. They had to fly around, & waste fuel. Thousands of people – the graduating cadets, parents, friends, observers in the vicinity parked in lots waiting to see them fly, inconvenienced, so Obama – his “highness’ could leave to go campaign in Denver! How disrespectful of EVERYONE in attendance. It would have taken only about 20-30 minutes more time to stay until the fly-over was finished thereby honoring the graduates, Thunderbirds and the military in general. However, this narcissistic disgrace of a ‘Commander -in-Chief” had to inconvenience everyone and leave interrupting the ceremony fly-over because everything is about him. I was disgusted by this and so was everyone else standing around near us. I hope this info gets passed on so others can learn how disrespectful this Pres. is toward the military. Not too many who witnessed this will be voting for him.

      • GALT

        I understand your concern Steve, and I completely agree……I mean look how George Bush held his ground on 9/11 and stuck it out with those kids, reading to them an all……

      • Karolyn

        OMG! How dreadful! You know the man does have a schedule to keep.

      • Jay

        I agree Steve, the man is a disgrace!

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    • T i m

      Jeremy, the only part of your comment I CAN agree on , he has not had time to do everything he promised . obama said he wants to spred the wealth …HE HAS DONE THAT . The welfare population IS BIGGER THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN , because Mr. Obama is a SOCIALIST , which means WELFARE ……. Most people do not know , WELFARE IS PAID FROM SOCIAL SECURITY . There is a simple solution to AMERICAN ECONOMY . ALL OF CONGRESS KNOWS THIS . ……………RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

      • Eric Jones

        You know T i m there is nothing sadder then when someone uses a word and they dont know what it means. case-in-point you oviously dont know what a socialist like myself wants. allow me to educate you TRUE socialism puts the WORKERS aka the VAST MAJORITY of the populace in control of the means of production replacing the dictatership of the tiny welthey minority with the dictatership of the working majority.we only reward hard work saving welfare for those to old or disabled like comrade lenin said TO EACH ACORDING TO HIS ABILITY TO EACH ACORDING TO HIS NEED.

        • Thomas Gunn

          Eric Jones —— First of all, you have mis-quoted Comerade Lenin; who wrote FROM each, according to his ability, To each ……

          Now, as a trained economist; and with all due respect; please allow me to “educate you” a bit.

          In socialism, the “workers” control nothing….because under socialism there is no private property. Such workers do not control the fruits of their labor, their lives, their destiny, nor the future of their own families. They don’t even control their own lives, because an individual, is the property of the State. Let me repeat that; Under socialism……People are Property……The Property of the State…..because people themselves ARE LABOR………People themselves ARE the means of production. In fact, much more-so, because no matter how automated your production is, without PEOPLE – LABOR – NOTHING will be produced.

          The entire concept of Marxist socialism is a fraud; because it depends upon every single member of that society; voluntarily forsaking their individual sovereignty; forsaking one’s individual self-interest; accepting that 100% of the fruit of one’s own labor belongs to the collective, to be “redistributed fairly” (what constitutes “fair” notwithstanding) ……supposedly “for the sake of the entire society.”

          This is a fraud for a great many reasons; not the least of which because it is universally impossible, to expect all individuals in any society to do this of their own free will. There will ALWAYS, be those who will be unwilling to sacrifice their sovereignty, and their self-interest to the collective. Therefore (and herein lies the rub); for Socialism to function, it depends entirely upon FORCE. It MUST be forced upon everyone, especially those who are unwilling to submit to it.

          And herein further, is the paradox; which makes your description of Socialism not only a logical impossibility but an immoral one at that.

          For there to be an “enforcement” of Socialist dogma; there then must be an ENFORCER. As such, it cannot possibly allow for property or labor rights (qua – the means of production) to be under the control of workers, because it requires a centralized body of enforcement in order to function (the propensity for such centralized power to become fundamentally corrupt notwithstanding).

          Secondly, the distinction between this, and America’s founding Free Market principles, is based upon a key moral imperative; that imperative being that it is fundamentally immoral, for one person, group, or institution; to use force (either physical or coercion), against any other individual or minority against their will (unless it is in defense of having one’s unalienable rights violated — under which it is perfectly moral to defend one’s self with equal or greater force).

          By this standard; any collectivist model; whether Marxist Socialism (as in the Soviet Union); National Socialism (as in Nazi Germany); or Corporate Socialism (as in the United States); is fundamentally immoral; precisely because they REQUIRE the use of FORCE to implement, and because they prohibit individual property rights (the antithesis of the model you subscribe to).

          People who proclaim themselves to be “socialists” are either one of only two kinds: 1) They either do not fully understand what it means to be a socialist, so they innocently ascribe to its perverse doctrine (I would suspect you sir, fall into this aforementioned category); or 2), they completely understand it, and embrace it solely BECAUSE it is a model that requires the use of force against other individuals; and they are of a moral character that attracts them to the idea of being granted the power to use force against others (case-in-point — Josef Stalin, Adof Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, etc. etc.).

          The former are innocently misguided, while the latter are immoral, degenerate, sociopaths.

          To me, it is personally offensive, to have anyone tell me that I have no right to my own property, the fruits of my own labor, my own destiny, nor control over the destiny of my children and my family. It is also offensive to me for someone to impose upon me; their utopian ideology for “social justice” against my will, while then telling me that this will give everyone “social justice, and therefore – freedom”, while in fact it DENIES everyone their freedom. Have you ever heard the expression — “Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining”? —– That is exactly the intent of Socialists — to ROB individuals of their property, their destiny, their identity, and their dignity —- allegedly—“for their own good”. As such, Socialism in any form, is the most vile, and degenerate crime against human dignity, for it depends on a fundamental lie about morality; it demands that every individual embrace their own enslavement as their moral ideal, and relinquish their own vision; for their own life, and that of their family.

          Excuse me sir, but I really couldn’t care less about what is YOUR “vision” for “Society”….I am interested only in taking care of myself and my family, and not you, nor anyone else has a right to interfere with my doing so.

          Under a “Democratic Socialist” sense of morality — suppose that self-reliant individualists were to have the majority……they should then have the AUTHORITY, to use force against you….and then tell you that you must abandon your socialist idelogy and live entirely as a self-reliant individualist; against your will……even though you don’t want to (or perhaps don’t have the aptitude), and even if your next door neighbor wanted to be your socialist economic partner…….you and he both would be prohibited by LAW from creating such a “commune”. But fortunately for you, America and our Constitution doesn’t provide for that. Our Constitution protects YOU and your unalienable INDIVIDUAL rights, even if you are in a minority; and allows you to be any kind of Socialist you want to be……as long as you don’t try to force YOUR CHOICES upon others IN VIOLATION OF THEIR unalienable rights……….because HIS RIGHTS are PROTECTED, just as yours are.

          In fact; “communes” have existed and have been “free” to exist in this country since its inception; and in accordance with THEIR values as they pleased….so long as they didn’t violate the rights of any other person who happens to CHOOSE NOT to live that way. That was only possible because this was NOT a Socialist country (at least not until recently).

          You see, in a “free society” people have CHOICES (for which they then are accountable). A Socialist Society precludes anyone from having any choices (and as such no one is accountable).

          In the former Soviet Union (a country I visited many times between 1987 and 1993, both before and after it broke up….so I speak from experience); there was NO CHOICE, for anyone. Your vocation or profession was chosen for you, based upon the collective “need” (competence be damned). Their children’s education was beyond their parents’ influence, for they are NOT considered their parents’ children, they are the Collecttive’s “future workers”. Under that system, there was no provision for any individual to pursue the life of a free-market individualist within a sea of ENFORCED collectivism (unless he or she was a corrupt senior member of the council of ministers or commissars, with the power to do so).

          These FACTS, about the differing dynamics between Collectivism – vs – Individualism, only blatantly reveal the fundamental perversions of logic, as well as the immorality of the Socialist system. To understand how perverse it is, it is helpful to know a bit about its author. Karl Marx himself, who wrote his communist manifesto in the mid-1800′s in which he attempted to demonize Free Market Capitalism (Laissez Faire….not the false-flag variety currently practiced in America), interestingly NEVER visited any country that actually functioned under a free market system. He NEVER set foot in the United States, yet he professed to having a knowledge about how it’s working class functioned? He had no real experience with capitalism. Every notion he held about Free Market Capitalism –vs- Communism was based entirely on his own conjecture, assumptions, and disjointed knowledge gained from reading a few text books (published in Europe), or from propaganda-newspapers. In his adult life, he held only one salaried job (aside from academia), as a postal worker, from which he was fired within his first month of employment. In fact, his professional background has many parallels to our current president.

          His Communist Manifesto, and “Das Kapital”, were nothing more than the ranting of a self aggrandizing, narcissistic, idiot. Any objective, intelligent individual that studies them, comes to realize that his writings are full of “circular logic”, and perversions of truth.

          What even fewer people know about is Marx’s personal life. Ironically, he was born into a wealthy aristocratic family but he refused to use his inherited wealth for the sake of his immediate family. He refused to take on any sustained work in order to provide for them except for his short “stint” as a postal worker from which he was fired for his “horrid appearance” (he rarely bathed, never trimmed his hair, beard, or fingernails). He was “alleged” as having been psychologically as well as physically abusive to his children (although admittedly, this is 3rd-hand hearsay). However, it is inferred from the fact that of his 7 children, 2 died of malnutrition, and 3 committed suicide while still in their young adult period.

          If Marx and/or Obama, are your philosophical role models, I would strongly urge you to check your premises.

          If a Socialist, were to come to my home, knock on my door, and then proceed to lecture me that simply because there are more of them, and only one of me…..that I must now willingly surrender my individual values, my individual dignity, my devotion to absolute truth and personal sovereignty; my desire to remain SELF RELIANT……..against my will, and then to surrender my private property to “the collective”……..then I have every right to disagree with his doctrine, slam the door in his face, and tell him to go to hell.

          If he then forcibly enters my house in order to try to impose his will upon me physically (just as any common thief would), then I have every right to put a bullet in his head, in order to protect my family and my property from being violated. And I will defend with my own life; my neighbor’s right to his property from being stolen by your Socialist ilk, as well. THAT is what America is all about. If you really want to force Socialism on this country, or upon me; please come to my house and give it a try.

          • T i m

            SIR GUNN , you lost me after the 4 sentence . Media says AMERICA has grown the welfare population to almost half the population of the nation . . That means at least 4 0 per cent of AMERICA is living on welfare . WELFARE IS PAID FROM SOCIAL SECURITY . …SOCIAL SECURITY IS PAYING OUT MUCH MORE THAN IT IS TAKING IN . …… SOCIAL SECURITY WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR SENIOR ADULTS TO LIVE ON . EVERY RECORDED WAGE EARNER IN THE NATION , pays into welfare , with all taxes listed on every recorded paycheck in the nation . IF YOU ARE LIVING ON WELFARE , I HOPE YOU CAN PROVE YOU DESERVE IT , SAME WITH DISABILITY INCOME . GOD will take care of his own . ALL THE REST ARE CROOKS . ……..RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT

          • Eric Jones

            Mr Gunn first of all thank you for correcting my quote nicely instead of fussing like others would. now all that being said and all do respect to you you made 3 major mistakes that i feel i should bring to your attention. mistake 1 you like many others seem to confuse private property with personal property the differance being under true socialism your personal property i.e your house,car,etc would be YOURS and NO ONE especilly not the BANKS will beable to take it from you unlike capitillism where what should your house can and will be reposesed at ther lesure.mistake 2 you again like so many others have been subjected to decades of anti-communist propaganda by the banking elites who whould be the ONLY ones to be hurt as ther ability to threaten the poor with homelessness whould be GONE as whould ther welth taken and used to aid working class familes who have been ignored in the capitillist system .mistake 3 socialism is not about force but rather about worker solidarity true and irrevertible equlity under the law and the peace that comes with it . resectfully yours Eric Jones

          • Thomas Gunn

            Eric, I’m afraid it is you who are mistaken, very much so in fact.

            As I’ve said many times in the past, this kind of argument is not about “being right”, or “providng a point”; it is about finding absolute truth. For that, you must acknowledge that you might be wrong, and then try to learn why.

            My assertions are based on absolute facts, not conjecture, theory, or propaganda. The communist manifesto, was itself written for the purpose of propaganda, Frederick Engels said as much himself; and it was based entirely in theories, on what the authors BELIEVED free market economics to consist in, since they themselves had never experienced it first-hand.

            I ask you, have you personally, ever lived in, or visited (for an extended time…not as a weekend tourist); any of the of the following countries: The former Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Burma, Cambodia under Kmer Rouge ?

            With the exception of Cuba, I have visisted, and worked extensively, in all of these countries.

            Have you studied Macro-Economics and/or History at the graduate level at any major University in the US or Europe? Have you published any research papers, or textbooks on either of these subjects? I have (though not under the name Thomas Gunn).

            With all due respect Eric, you are deeply mistaken about your conclusions, and as with all collectivists who subscribe to the “have your cake and eat it too” dogma; your assertions all depend upon circular logic; just as did Marx’s. I’m not here to waste time arguing with you about this.

            Understand Eric, that until you realize that you at least COULD BE mistaken about these things, and if you go on just believing the collectivist nonsense espoused by Karl Marx while precluding yourself from fully understaind the arguments against Marxism; then you will never try to fully understand why, in terms of both logic and morality, that Marxism, Socialism, and your conclusions about it are fundamentally flawed. In this case you will continue thorugh life being blissfully unaware; having closed your mind off to the possibilty of learning TRUTH, since you are simply afraid to be proved wrong.

            I’m not arguing with you about these issues just to prove myself right and you wrong…… I’m merely stating the fact that I KNOW beyond any doubt that you are wrong, because it is not a matter of opinion, but of objective analysis of historical and macro-economic facts; and I would do you a great dis-service were I to NOT alert you to your error; and at least give you the opportunity to re-assess your knowledge of the subject, and your flawed interpretation thereof. I couldn’t care less about “proving you wrong”……. my ego doesn’t require this….since at my age; my accomplishments have proved myself decades ago. I simply wish to make the world a better place, by espousing a devotion to absolute truth, even if that truth when unvarnished, might be painful or uncomfortable for people to accept. As such, do yourself a favor and read some works written by proponents of free market economics, in order to give yourself a more balanced perspective. I recommend the following: “Capitalism, the unknown ideal”, by Ayn Rand; “Human Action”, by Ludwig von Mises. and “Fountainhead” / and’ “Atlas Shrugged” both by Ayn Rand, and finally, the writings of founding father: Adam Smith.

            The discussion ends here, because I don’t have time to provide lessons an basic economic theory and world history on this forum.

            Best Regards

          • Liberty Lover

            Excellent reading list, Mr. Gunn. My first Rand experience was “Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal” and it changed my life.

            I commend you for your patience with Eric. When I was his age, I was also a “liberal” who thought he knew it all. I hope, in time, Eric discovers the vastness of his room for intellectual growth.

          • Eric Jones

            Mr Gunn one thing ive learned is just because you say the conversation is over that dosent neccercarily mean its over all the other party has to do is keep say you dont have the time to debate? to bad as ive got all the time in the world. i agree that whenever you debate someone you must consider that youre wrong and i will from now on. now let me share somthing with you when i decidid i was intrested in politics around 2 years ago i researched several varying ideaolligys from libertarianism to authoriataranism. it wasnt untill i sorted out what i belive that i decided that the only form of goverment that can provide for the majority of humanity is socialism. i studid capitilism and am aware of its pros but i find its cons so severe it simpley cant last much longer.i read anti-communist readings to prepare myself for future debates as i plan to become a political speaker oneday. and in concusion i belive that political documents like the communist manifesto and indeed the constitution of this very country are not “set in stone” like some would have us belive bu rather are LIVING BREATHING ENTITYS i know that might sound crazy but thats what i belive so just because comrade engels said it was propaganda in the 1800s that dosnt in it is the manifesto should be looked at as a insruction manual for those who want to make the world a better place like yourself. till we meet again.

          • Thomas Gunn

            Eric, I’ll give you one last reply, to help you on your way to “enlightenment”. This consists of 2 themes, which are in fact interralated; as you will see shortly : Morality, and Logic; as applied to your most recent comments:

            FIRST: Morality: I won’t try to “impose” my value system on you (which is what socialists typically do); but I will tell you; so that you can decide for yourself, which course you prefer to follow: Under MY value system (and that of America’s founders as espoused in the US Constitution); it is fundamentally immoral, to use force (physical or coercion) against any individual against their will. There is no arguing around this principle, nor around the fact; that Socialism, for its implementation, REQUIRES the use of both physical force AND Coercion. If YOUR sense of morality holds that it is OK to use FORCE, against not one but ALL people: in order to compel all people to comply with YOUR ideology (regardless of your intentions); then by all means; embrace Socialism and all of the immoral unintended consequences that goes along with it. By MY standards, you would be acting IMMORALLY; and in that case your standard of morality is clearly different from mine; so be prepared to be met with resistance when your “comerades” come to confiscate the wealth that I have produced for myself and my family; in order that THEY can decide to whom they would prefer to distribute it. Be prepared that they will incur a heavy price, in trying to TAKE, that which I have produced; and I will make damn sure that that price will be FAR HIGHER, than what it would cost if they were to simply come to me to TRADE FAIRLY for what I have produced, with an exchange of value; that we BOTH DECIDE us mutually acceptable……(in accordance with MY standard of morality).

            Stated another way, anything of value that I as an individual produce, is a product of my labor, my thought process, and my own brain, solely. There is no such thing as a collective brain, or a collective human body; so what I produce, for my own purpose, is not fodder for the rest of the collective to claim, simply for their own “need”. Production comes before distribution, and a collective need cannot obliagate a producer to deliver; doing so constitutes SLAVERY; which is simply against the laws of nature.

            Second: as regards your mid-guided notion that ANY Constitution is a “living breathing” thing; I’ll refer you to an earlier commentary I recently offered to a hollywood celebrity who has recently been running around “preaching” the same misguided idea:

            The power to amend the Constitution, does not implicitly empower our government to fundamentally change its original MEANING or INTENT. In fact, the Founders did everything they could to PREVENT the Constitution from becoming a malleable, “living” document” subject to the whims of some unenlightened majority. They anticipated clearly the long-term threats to their hard-won liberties that confront us at every turn today.

            The Constitution (and in particular its Bill of Rights) is NOT, nor was ever intended to be, a “Living Document”. Please allow me to explain:

            If you are playing poker with two other opponents, would you want to allow them to be able to change the rules, in mid-play; for their own convenience, just because there are two of them, and only one of you?

            The fundamental concept of Unalienable Rights, is that we are endowed with these by NATURE, by GOD (or whatever the “Creator” means to the individual). These NEVER change. The reasons that these unalienable rights NEVER change; and the reasons that the Constitution is NOT a “living document”, are many; but most importantly are because it is entirely based upon a fundamental moral imperitive of humanity.

            If you espouse that the Constitution’s fundamental premises should “live”, or change, then you must espouse that fundamental morality…..qua…right and wrong……should change. That is a dangerous path to follow.

            The morality of which I speak; is that No individual, group, or institution, even if it is in “the majority”, shall have the right to use FORCE (either physical or coercion) against any other individual, or minority group AGAINST THEIR WILL, in VIOLATION OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED UNALIENABLE RIGHTS.

            To claim that the US Constitution is a “Living Document”, is to then say, that these fundamental principals, and the rights they were designed to protect, can be changed at whim of a majority. It follows then, that a government of a majority, can therefore remove or change an individual’s constitutional rights. This is NOT espoused in the Constitution.

            If that were the case, those rights would not be UNALIENABLE.

            It is that Single Pesky little word, hated and disavowed by many liberals…. UNALIENABLE…….that PRECLUDES the US Constitution from being a “Living Document”, and this is exactly as the founders intended.

            Among the many other reasons; is the fact that this country was NOT founded as a “Democracy” but as a CONSTITUTIONAL REPBLIC, and for that exact reason. Because any form of government that has the authority to GRANT individual Rights, then also has the authority to take them away. In our Constitutional Republic, our government too must abide by the Constitution, the Law of the Land. The founders CLEARLY DID NOT trust any government, wielding too much power, to perpetually respect the rights of individuals; thus…..the Bill of rights was made part of the US Constitution. Our government cannot GRANT our God-given individual rights, it can therefore, NEVER take them away.

            I know you have heard this cliché before, but it is cliché because it is so true. In a Pure DEMOCRACY (with your “Living Constitution”), you would have 3 wolves and a sheep, voting on what to have for dinner. A Pure Democracy (with YOUR Living Constitution), is 51% of the public, denying the rights of the other 49%.

            Are you SURE, you want to live under a “Living Constitution”? You may not be a minority today…..but sometime in the future….you may very well be, as the demographics of this country change in the coming decades. In fact, even if you are a young, educated, white man; if you are lucky to live long enough, eventually, you will most certainly be part of the minority of the elderly and infirm.

            Are you sure you want a “majority” of which you are NOT a part of; to have the SOLE AUTHORITY over your destiny, authority over how your savings, wealth, property, and fruits of your labor shall be disposed of; and to have the power to deny you of your FORMERLY UNALIENABLE rights ? With a “Living Constitution”, that is exactly what will happen. If you care about your own future, your children’s future; if you want your great-great-grand children to someday be able to live “The American Dream”, to truly “own” their own home, to have the opportunity to become self-reliant…..then you should most seriously re-think your assertions about our Constitution being “A Living Document”.

            The smallest minority on Earth is the individual; one who would deny individual rights, cannot then claim to be a defender of minorities.

            And further to that, in a country with a “Living Constitution”, it is just a matter of time’, not IF……but WHEN, ….. the government functioning under it, will eventually attain enough power to become a Tyranny. It is vitally important that you understand this objectively. This is NOT about proving a point, or being “right”. This is about being devoted to objective absolute TRUTH. And it is not simply an academic question….someday in this country, perhaps for your grand-children; perhaps for the civics students studying these principles, it will become a matter of life and death.

            You have heard many times the statement: “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. But what is more important to understand, is that the access to power, such as powerful institutions, ATTRACTS the CORRUPTIBLE. Being in the entertainment business, you most of all have seen this principle in action. As such, powerfully structured institutions will always, eventually become fundamentally corrupt…it is just a matter of time. It is for this reason, that our founders constructed our government, through the constitution, to have LIMITED, and SEPARATED powers. This was meant to be perpetual, and permanent. Those who espouse a “living constitution”; only do so in order to gain power by subverting this basic principle, in order to consolidate government’s powers, and to make them unlimited.

            Do you truly want to trust that an all-powerful fundamentally corrupt government, will restrain itself from violating your rights, or the rights of your great grandchildren 75 years from now ? If the Constitution forbids the government from doing so……no matter…..they’ll just change it …… and they can….as long as it is a “living constitution”.

            As long as people allow our perverse education system, and propaganda media to continue to indoctrinate the population and perpetuate the myth, that the Constitution is a “living document”, the further and further we will continue on the path to full-on tyranny. Eventually, your children, and your grandchildren will … “wake up homeless, and penniless, on the continent their forefathers conquered” (to coin a phrase from Thomas Jefferson). Once our freedom and our UNALIENABLE RIGHTS have been lost, do you truly believe that the all-powerful government will simply give them back to a bunch of powerless peasants? This of course, is a rhetorical question.

          • Liberty Lover

            Delighted to see some of my words used toward such a worthy end, Mr. Gunn. It’s so rare to see the system of capitalism defended on MORAL grounds instead of the pragmatic grounds of maximum economic efficiency. Kudos for your efforts.

          • Thomas Gunn

            Thanks for allowing me to plagerize a few comments that you expressed so much more eloquently than I. Hope you werent’ offended.

          • Liberty Lover

            Honored to be a “junior partner” in your commendable efforts to promote truth and understanding.

          • Eric Jones

            Liberty Lover if youve got something to say to me then by all available means im leastning. i would at least like to know in what dimension is capitilism MORAL cause before you said that i didnt know that those 2 words could be used in the same sentance.

          • Liberty Lover

            Eric, Mr. Gunn did a commendable job of explaining the moral case for capitalism. Ayn Rand, whose books he suggested you read, does a brilliant job of making the same case. I’d suggest you work on developing the moral case for the legalized plunder known as socialism at the same time you consider the moral case for the only economic system consistent with individual liberty.

          • Eric Jones

            The moral aspect of socialism is it where capitilism would see women trpped in the role of husbands servant fit only for cooking cleaning and giving birth socialism gives them the LIBERTY to seek employment the LIBERTY to earn as much as a man the LIBERTY to controll her OWN body via abortions and contraceptions. it gives ethnic/religus minoritys the LIBERTY to have ther complaints heard the LIBERTY to be treated as HUMAN BEINGS not commadites to be bought and sold by the corrupt capitilist class. it gives homo/bi/transexuals the LIBERTY to be who they are not who religus prudes tell them to be. it gives them the LIBERTY to express ther love for ther partners as the BEUTIFUL NATURAL GOD GIVEN thing that it is. and it gives all the minoritys mentioned the greatest LIBERTY of all the LIBERTY to stand on a EQUAL econamic/political footing as ther WHITE CRISHTEN WELTHEY OPPRESERS. now im not used to moral political debating so be brutal how did i do?

          • Liberty Lover

            You did about as well as could be expected for a 19yo with a lot of room for intellectual growth. Seriously, except for the spelling, you sound a lot like Paul Krugman and he won a Nobel Prize!

          • Eric Jones

            Well thank you for your honesty and for what its worth i intend to improve my spelling.

          • Thomas Gunn

            Liberty: The problem with parasites (qua-socialists); is that when you avail yourself to them in attempt to redeem them from their misguided ways… inadvertently only permit them to suck more of your blood. This is clearly a case where “Atlas must Shrug”.

            To coin a phrase; it is useless to “argue with idiots”. Don’t waste any more of your time, on intellectual battles with the unarmed.

          • Eric Jones

            Mr Gunn i find it very interasting that in our little back-and-forth the only one mentening imposing ther veiws on others is YOU albeit metaforically. by-the-way the only way you could know what the founders meant is to have been there of course thats just my opinion could be wrong. i also find it interesting that while you talk to librels like me to consider that we MIGHT be wrong your insistence that youre enlighting me tells me that you are incapeble of practicing what you preach that you are as demonstated by your absurd notion that socialism is based on force so entrenched in the capitilist propaganda that what i was tring to do make conserviteves like at least think twice is wasted on you. you were however right on one acount this will be our last exchange as you are clearly a lost cause ttfe taw taw for ever

          • Liberty Lover

            Eric, as a spokesman for liberalism/socialism, you are everything a conservative capitalist could desire!

          • Eric Jones

            Now i must edmit youve stumped me how does me pointing out the already poorly hidden contradictions of conservitive capitilism am i helping you in any way?

          • Thomas Gunn

            So…..according to you: Socialism being based on force is “an absurd notion” ?

            Perhaps, before you make that assertion, you should inquire with the 49 Million who were executed or starved to death under Stalin’s (Marxist Socialist) regime; or the 6 Million under Adolf Hitler (National Socialist), or the 3 Million under Pol Pot’s regime (Marxist Socialism), and countless others. The concept of “death camps”; or concentration camps”, are solely a creation of Socialist regimes. There is no single incidence in American free-market capitalist history; where millions of CIVILIAN citizens were rounded up; hearded into camps; and then robbed, raped, tortured, used for medical experiments; and then gassed, poisoned, and burned alive during war or peace-time………the historical record is clear; such events have been common only to Socialist regimes. But by your sense of morals; I suppose that does not constitute the use of force, against anyone’s wil.

            And the most prolific (“benevolent” according to you) Socialist thief and murderer of all time…..Mao Zedung of China: nationalized all farms (which means all private propert was confiscated); and made the private production of food illegal. As a consequence, former independent farmers had little food to eat and tens of Millions starved, while Mao exported at least 10 times more grain (for personal profit) than was provided to his own counrymen (a truly “benevolent Socialist” indeed); while children literally starved to death in the streets. The exact number is unknown; but the death toll under Mao; as a direct result of his Socialist policies; is well over 49 Million during his reign of terror.

            I suppose by your standards of asurdity; that does NOT count as the use of force and coercion. Eric, I”m afraid you are hopelessly deluded; and devoid of any reason or rational thought.

          • Eric Jones

            Mr Gunn that is twice youve gone back on youre word and sent me anouther comment. worst still your history is selective at best hittler put socialist in his partys name ONLY to steal members from the ACTUAL communist party when he looked for a model to shape the third reich after he didnt select the ussr but rather facist italy therefore deathcamps are the production of facism but i know logic isnt nessercirilly the americans rights thing if it were you would relize stalin wasent even a liberal let alone a marxist and for pol pot i dont know why you choose such an OBVIOUS extremist lunitic as a model for the whole system but to be frank theres quite a bit about you i dont get how ever i thinck we can all agree that three men mentioned abouve are currently enjoying satens v.i.p. treatment.oh and for the record if you have something to say to me i.e calling me a “parasite” at least be a man and say it to ME dont talk about me behind my back like a COWARD p.s you started the name calling not me.

        • T i m


          • Eric Jones

            Sir my mother and i live on medicad and food stamps my mother suffers from fibromyalge,deprssenand is undergoing kimo to recover from the breast cancer that caused her to losa a breast and is currently going bald i my self am high functioning autisim and the effects that come with it. that worthey enough for you? and anouther thing you say my definition of socialism seems IDEALOGICAL i was merely stating what marx and engels envisioned when they formulated the idea. ps what does (sp) mean

          • T i m

            I beleive I said in my original message , GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF HIS OWN ……ALL THE REST ARE CROOKS . If you are NOT A CROOK , you have nothing to concern with . Best thing you can do for you and your mother , GET ALL THE PEOPLE YOU KNOW , AND EVERYONE THEY KNOW , TO FLOOD CONGRESS WITH PAPER MAIL , DEMAND CONGRESS RE ENSTATE MEDICAL RESEARCH FUNDING , ………..WE ALL MUST DEMAND CONGRESS REQUIRE THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION TO CURE ALL DISEASE . ……….ALL THE TOP DISEASE WE ARE DIEING FROM , …………WAS CURED DECADES AGO . My father died from cancer , never been sick a day in his career . Common cold here there and yonder . Mother died from DIABETES . Never been sick in her life . Step daughter has Autism , Cerebral palsy , Seizures . …..ALL THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN CURED DECADES AGO . ALL MY FATHERS MONEY AFTER 4 0 YEAR CAREER WENT TO WELFARE POPULATION . In the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST , I pray for you and your mother . …………………………….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT . the sp means I can not spell properly , AND KNOW IT , I am too lazy to go back and correct it .

          • Eric Jones

            Quick queston how is waiting for gods help any different then those “crooks” wanting welfare? in both cases the indavidual in queston is asking for help from a “higher power”. dosnt that violate the conservative princeipible of “pulling yourself up by the bootstraps” ?isnt praying just anouther way of asking for a handout? and further more my mother is a peagen and i am angoric does that qualify us as “HIS OWN ” or is he in all his mercy and forgivness going to TURN HIS BACK ON US for bowing to HIM and HIM alone and daring to question HIS explanation? please explain as best you can.

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    praying to God that Obama won’t lose because if he does America will end up being like other country!!Republican is not out for the people unless you’re rich and people needs to really realize this before it to late stop looking at the color of someone skin and take a look at the big picture!I want my grand kids to have a change in life!!Obama 2012 wake up America!!!!

    • FreedomFighter

      Obama is a fiction, you have been lied to, your belief in Obama is derived from a well funded lie.

      Barack Obama Manchurian Candidate

      Laus Deos
      Semper Fi

      • Ron

        I’m surprised it took y’all so long to get around to a Manchurian Candidate reference!

        Although if you watch the original Manchurian Candidate, the guy who they were planning on sticking in power as their patsy, played by James Gregory, REALLY looks and acts like Dubya–he’s dumb as a box of rocks and they finally get him to remember how many “Commies” there are in government by coaching him to remember Heinz ketchup–and then he can crow that there are “57 members of the Communist Party in American government!!” ‘Kinda the way Dub couldn’t make it through a 20-minute State of the Union Address with a teleprompter and not sound like he was reading it for the first time.

        It’s really eerie how much he’s like Dubya, and I’m surprised no one made that comparison in the 2000 election. History might have turned out very differently if they had.

        And the conniving political puppetmaster, played by Angela Lansbury is also creepily like Dick Cheney or Karl Rove. It always impressed me how Dubya couldn’t string a couple of sentences together, but Cheney could speak for 45 minutes on Meet the Press, without notes, about the policies of the “Bush” Administration.

        Now THAT was a Manchurian Candidate for Halliburton if there ever was one!

        If there was ever a forewarning of what the debacle of the Cheney Administration was going to mean for America, you need only watch the original Manchurian Candidate.

        Although the comparison doesn’t wash with Obama–he’s not stupid. He WAS born in the U.S. (as was the character in the movie, so I’m not sure how you’re playing that out). And he’s tried to compromise so much with the rabid right that the lefties hate his guts. He’s not a hardline ideologue, and you never hear him crow and bluster like Lord Limbaugh and Lady Ann.

        Personally, I think Obama never should’ve run in 2008. I think America needed to watch as the Party of Karl Rove rode their stinkin’ pile of flaming dung policies right into the ground and exploded in flames–maybe even with Sarah Palin as “Decider-In-Chief”. Like Herbert Hoover of old, I don’t think she’d have hesitated for a second to call out troops to open fire on homeless veterans.

        I’m a little concerned, though. Alex Jones, on “INFO WARS!” (no rage in the title of that “news” show, I’m sure) has a scratchy angry, rage-ey voice like you might expect from a Grand Dragon of the KKK, railin’ about the perils of the nigra uprisin’. Do you think that’s intentional? Does he do that to appeal to P.O.’d people?

        ‘Cause if you watch old Nazi altekaempfer speeches of people like Ernst Roehm, they all sound the same way.

        I never hear Brian Williams talk like that, even when he’s ragging on liberals. But they do it on Fox News, too–they just ALWAYS sound snarky and pi$$ed. Even when they were wailing on people for not supporting President Cheney back during the Decider’s War.

        They could be showing footage of puppies and you’d be convinced those puppies hated America and our War President.

        Or nowadays, that those puppies were CommuNaziHomoSocialists from Kenya.

        Aren’t they ever happy about anything? Or is that the point?

    • T i m

      Sandra , you are so wrong about Obama . If you live on welfare , he is your man ……….EVEN SO , SOCIAL SECURITY IS GOING BROKE BECAUSE OF WELFARE , WHICH IS WHERE WELFARE GETS PAID . If Obama looses , there is a likely possibility , it will begin the predicted , next AMERICAN CIVIL WAR . ….THE LABOR FORCE IS TIRED OF PAYING WELFARE . …………..The election will show which group is bigger …..WELFARE POPULATION OR LABOR FORCE . ..THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY …ALL OF CONGRESS KNOWS THIS ………………….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT …………………….

  • gene

    If we have 4 more years of Obummer we all will be learning something new SPEAKING CHINESE get your head out of the dark place turn around and head for the light CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING

  • David

    Kevin says:
    June 7, 2012 at 9:49 am
    You say you will not vote for a known liar, but then go on to say that you will vote for Obama, lolz, you’re a complete idiot, another useful fool for the “one” There isn’t enough space here to list all of Obamas known lies!
    Kevin, you can call me names all day and act like a five year old if you like but I am an adult and I do not listen to children in order to form my opinion. You resort to name calling and belittling people like the typical right-wing radical fascist that you so obviosly are. You are projecting your own self-loathing onto others and if the truth be known, I would be willing to bet you yourself voted for Obama last go-round.

  • Bob Din

    Wanye Allen Root raises several valid points. Obama has a failed record that has made his Hope and Change promise a joke. I’m sure Romeny will get any vote that went to John McCain. Obama is likely to lose some votes he had in 2008. The Obama camp regardless of what the say seems very worried. I see panic in the air at the Obama camp. Some Democrats are also abandoning Obama as well. It also seems obvious the more Obama panics the more mistakes he makes. He may very well lose by a big margin.

    • GALT

      The reality is that at this point in time is, he may be very sorry he won……McCain is breathing a sigh of relief BIG TIME……..and whomever wins this one…….the prospects for the future do NOT look good………..strangely, this may make Obama a safer bet…….he can’t run again…….so he probably won’t do anything stupid…….Romney on the other hand is “extremely dangerous”……….

  • http://yahoo thomas

    obama has not been open about his life.He is president when he took job, his world is a open book to every AMERICAN.Instead he thinks HE, REED,HOLDER are above the laws of this country…2012 vote him out!

  • http://PLD FRENCHIE


  • ruthe shapiro

    as an astrologer i beg tov differ with you obama’s chaart isextremely strong and mitt’s is exxtrenely weal… as a pisces he has no real leadership abiity it’s all a facade obama will win no matter how much you predict or how many people red your nonsensical rant based on absolutely nothing

  • William Deburrs

    I will pray as a Black Man as if this do happen as I will decides two stay in the U.S.A.

    • Nancy in Nebraska


    • Ron

      Nawsir, as a black man, I be happy if white folks takes dat racis’ monkey Obama outta dat white people house–I’s jes glad dey’s a website like ‘dis full o’ good white folks dat ain’ got no racism in ‘em–dey’s jes happy to hep out an’ ol’ Kenyigar like me who’s jes grateful two lib in a land where white folks still call de shots and keeps me in my place!

  • Mary Virginia Devine, Ph.D.

    If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. Sooner or later, “The Man With The Hoe”–Joe Average–will wise up and rise up against his oppressors and their filthy system. When that day arrives, “The Man With The Dough” had better be in a country which lacks extradition with the USA.

    • Ron

      You know we hate Ph.D’s on this website. And Rick Santorum told us that patriotic Americans don’t need no education. You been warned.





    • David

      Perhaps it is because Rick Santorum is an idiot and a liar? Perhaps it is because he doesn’t have anything to say that is worth a hill of beans to any normal person? Perhaps it is because Lil Ricky isn’t smart enough to know he isn’t that smart?

      • T i m

        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT …………….

    • SoCo Gal

      Unless I have been asleep like for 20 years after playing 10 pins in the mountains – Didn’t Santorum DROP OUT?

    • T i m

      The Republican party did not support Santorum BECAUSE ……………….. THE BUSH FAMILY ENDORSED MITT ROMNEY . ……………SAME REASON RON PAUL GETS NO COVERAGE . ………………..RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

  • Chris Condon

    I agree with Wayne’s comments with just one exception. Wayne makes the mistake of comparing Obama with Carter. If I were Carter, I would sue for slander. Sure Carter wasn’t the best president we ever had, and he messed up the economy. But Carter was honest, at least kept the country out of war, and gave us airline and trucking deregulation.

  • GALT

    David……”that you are not up to the task” is not a personal attack…….it is evidenced by the fact that you have NOT responded… episode 2 and now 3……..forcing me to chase you down here……….

    and you still….have not responded……..

    BTW Mr. Livingston is surely capable of responding for himself……and he is quite capable of comprehending what he reads……..

    • DaveH

      I have refuted every one of your illogical arguments long ago, Galt. Apparently you are of the mindset that repeating untruths over and over and over will somehow turn them into truths.
      Seek help, Galt.

      • GALT

        Damn, David….for some reason I just missed all the refutation……and that is really strange
        because I have copies of EVERYTHING…….

        Not to mention the fact…….. THE.FACT that I can do this to you at WILL any time I want…..

        I simply have to check in, find you….and let you run your mouth for three or four posts….

        De ja vu all over again…….

    • Jay

      Hey Galt, you need to get a life. Stalking DaveH simply makes you look like a desperate, sore-loser, as he has kicked your ass on numerous occasions. But i’m willing to bet that you rather admire Dave, and wish to be more like him. Unfortunately, you don’t have the skills or the intellect. However, you do posses the dogged determination of a pesky fly! At least that’s something…

      • DaveH

        More like a gnat.

      • GALT

        Thank you Jay…..I needed a good laugh.

  • David

    From Politifact:
    Mitt was rated “true” 23% while Obama was rated at 88%
    Mitt was rated as “Pants on Fire” 13% while Obama was at 5%

    So you tell me who is a liar and who is not but the fact remains that ALL politicians lie to one degree or another and we, as voters, must choose who we will believe the most often but with all else equal, and based on the stories I have heard, I do not trust Romney to tell the truth about anything and as I said before, I will not vote for a known liar. Since 2008 the Republican leadership has said (over and over and over) that Obama is a Muslim, a commie, a socialist, a Kenyan, ect ect and that they would do EVERYTHING to insure he was a one-term president and have often voted party ahead of country from the state level to the Federal. I for one have had enough and even though I don’t particulary like Obama or his policies, I hate lying more and if Obama was only HALF as bad as the GOP would have us believe, they wouldn’t need to lie about his record and I am forced to ask myself why.

    Is it because they (the GOP) thinks the voters are too stupid to notice?

    Because they think we don’t care because we all hate Obama as much as they do themselves?

    Is it because they are no different than a Democrat?

    A combination of all three?

    I do not trust the media, I do not trust the elected leaders, I do not trust the politicians nor our Government. I do trust my own eyes, my own experiences, my own family, my neighbors and my own morals and beliefs. I will not change my beliefs because someone calls me a name or makes fun of me or cusses me… so if you want to be a child, I’ve heard Romper Room has a web site that accepts comments.

    • Ron

      The thing that universally astounds me: Everyone distrusts government and constantly bangs that blunthammer here on this site–but you rush to the Corporate bosom like naive children. You let the Koch Bros. spend $400 million buying the election, and you don’t even think there’s anything strange about that.

      When crooked bankers evict people from their homes, you rage against the sheriff’s deputies sent there to carry out the law.

      When Enron swindled it’s employees out of their retirements (and any number of other companies have done similarly), you rage against government regulation of corporate management of pensions.

      It’s like we’ve exchanged democracy or the republic for a Corporatocracy–and they did it so smoothly, people are willing to die like Taliban fanatics to defend them.

      I’m reminded that the field of marketing psychology was invented, not by the government, but by Corporate America, on Madison Ave.

      And while y’all rail at anyone who even questions the Corporatocracy as “drinking the koolaid”, I have to think you’ve been drinking it so long you can’t even taste it.

  • Mary Virginia Devine, Ph.D.

    Seriously, I’ve advised several local millionaires who got their stash the right way to clear themselves and their assets out of America A.S.A.P. Assuming you’ve worked for your loot and people know you’re loaded, leaving our land may be a prudent policy. However, please make sure that the country to which you transfer yourself and your moolah doesn’t have an extradition treaty with our government.

  • Ron

    OF COURSE OBAMA WILL LOSE. Them Koch boys didn’t drop $400 million to buy this election and allow him to win. They didn’t subvert the Constitution to sell the Supreme Court to the Corporations in vain.

    Y’all are gonna party like it’s 1859! C-S-A! C-S-A!

    The good news out of your vast, sweeping, landslide victory? (Even if it isn’t, like 2000 wasn’t) This way, YOU’LL let Obama live.


    And you’ll get Cheney 2.0 back in the WHITE House!

    Oh, the places you’ll go…the money you’ll blow, the wars you’ll start, and the feel-good flag-wavin’ you’ll do.

    You’ll kill off lots of future “welfare queens” (former middle class), but that has to happen anyhow, if we’re to continue kicking all our money up to the top of the food chain through corporate subsidies and sweetheart deals for the wealthy. There clearly isn’t enough to go around, and we ain’t wastin’ it on the “dead-ender” lower 90% of the food chain. Those people may work their a$$es off from the cradle to the grave, but they’ll never be job creators” (*smirk*)

    And since Big Corporate has never been interested in developing new technology without a kickstart from Big Government (interstate highways, ENIAC, GPS, Rural Electrification, to name a few), they can just sit back in their gated compounds, launder the money and let the good times roll–and whine about being poor, misunderstood “job creators” who never caught a break–and offshore themselves when y’all rise up and the shootin’ starts…

    …because you will have to blame somebody for the coming debacle…and you couldn’t find any fault with Cheney 1.0′s $4 trillion “Decider’s War”, so it can’t be anybody’s fault but all the enemies of the state who don’t goosestep alongside you…so you’ll have thug out in the streets and start bullying people like during the healthcare town hall meetings. You’ll have a field day bloodfest with the NEXT Occupy demonstrations–no pansy looking the other way like Obama did. It’ll be like Herbert Hoover opening fire on homeless veterans all over again!

    ‘Cause it may be all “Patriotic” to defeccate all over this current President, cursing Every. Thing. He. Does? But when Cheney 2.0 is in there it’ll be back to neo-con bidness as usual, and you’ll be the adminstration’s brownshirt attack dogs, herding the infidels into goose-steppity obedience and patriotism all over again.

    Y’all may be all libertarian while you’re out of power, but watch: You will try to out-goosestep each other like “Dancin’ With The Stars” once the Koch Boys get back in driver’s seat. Your love of “patriotic” dissent and obstruction will vanish like spit on a hot skillet.

    Heck, Lord Limbaugh may even get to start callin’ people who beg to differ with the policies of Cheney 2.0 TRAITORS on the air again!

    But don’t worry: If you’re rich in America, it’s win-win.

    Brownshirts will spend money buying bullets to kill renegade unarmed lefties and moderates. They’ll be playin’ a redneck version of “Call of Duty” with real deaths, and you’ll be sellin’ em the goods to do it with! They’re murmuring about secret FEMA concentration camp plans because when they’re crackin’ the whip, that’s gonna sound like a Really, Really Good Idea.

    Former middle-class: It sucks bein’ you. You’ll pick up the tab for the next feel-good war, right? We gotta get them varmint America-hatin’ evilduers ‘who tried to kill my daddy’–whoever we decide they’re gonna be–and we won’t have our Wealthier, Better Citizens paying for the protection of our corporate paradise. That would be class warfare.

    I mean, think about it: How else can Cheney 2.0 rule America if he ain’t the next War President and Decider-In-Chief, chasing the next Bin Laden and urinating American money all over the desert for a decade or so??

    It worked out great the last time!

  • Gary

    CA, FL, PA, OH, WI, NM, MO, IA, NC, VA all of these go to Romney. The fraud won’t get 200 electoral votes and maybe not even 100. He will ive in utter exile after being evicted. He is not liked by dems, by libs, by conservative, by Republicans, by unions, you name it. Oh, some of them will vote for the fraud but there is no enthusiasm there. He’s done. After 1/20/13 he will slowly become invisible. Forgotten as he should be.

    • SoCo Gal

      @ Gary

      Not to be a stickler for FACTS but Ron Paul won the majority of DELEGATES in Iowa, and many more states he has not been credited for in the MSM.

      Romney is “winning” straw polls. If delegates didn’t mean anything, we wouldn’t have an Electoral College and State Delegates, now would we? And GORE, who won the “popular” feel good, like it even matters at the polls vote, would have been Prez. Not Bush.


    WE ALL PREDICTED ROMNEY for GOP, all you needed to do to come to that conclusion is to turn on the tv.

  • A. Williams

    I am an independent and from my point of view: Romney will run and close and tight race with Obama in this election cycle, however, Obama will defeat Romney by less than 3% of the electorate. It will be a repeat of 2004 and 1948.

  • DanN

    either way…obama or romney…americans loose!…vote out the trash…neither candidate is worthy of my vote.

  • http://N/A mike hardin

    Obame said he was born in Kenya. Now the lib dems are saying he mis-spoke. The lib dems are so awful. They like to give to everyone, but with other peoples money. obame is history

    • Karolyn

      Obama never said he was born in Kenya. There was a DOCTORED video going around, though.

    • JON

      mike said “Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah”

  • Harry

    Remember when liberals tried to destroy the reputation of Joe the Plumber because he called out Obama for being a socialist? Joe the Plumber was right and that’s why the Liberal Dems tried to shut him up.
    In fact, Joe had a website that said: We The People – not We The Government.

  • Neil

    Good Lord Ron, can you really be that unaware of Obama’s czars, his SEIU Brown-shirts, his use of the Justice Department to silence others? Are you really so deft to not understand why Obama chose a known corrupt individual to be Secretary of Treasury?

    It is rather offensive that you rambled so long in your post to draw credit away from the central point of the problems. Obama is instrumental.

    Yes, Obama deserves credit for running deficits averaging $1.34 trillion per year (3.26 times as much a Bush with his illegal wars). Yes, Obama caused $2.6 trillion to be created out of thin air to buy US Treasuries because no-one else would buy them.

    Yes, Obama colluded with Reid to not pass a budget for more than 1000 days because a budget would establish constraints on Obama’s discretionary redistribution.

    Ron, you you have any comprehension of how many hundreds of trillions of dollars Obama has loaned” to large investment banks for near ZERO interest percent? Obama called it, “stimulus”, but the money is outside of the country, controlled in Canary Wharf, England, and Hong Kong for complex derivatives trading.

    While I appreciate your tirade against corporations, it is rather myopic and simplistic. The public funds redistributed by Obama’s czars are in a financial structure that can be pilfered without recourse. (IE: look at John Corzine or J.P. Morgan Chase)

    Obama must be removed before the large-scale version of John Corzine comes to pass.

    It is not an ideology issue.

    • http://facebook cllemens hacker

      Neil, Go Fly A Kite. I for one am going to vote for Obama, no matter what any one
      says .

      • Gary

        That’s fine. Since you are telling us your vote care to tell us why you are voting for obama? What, specifically, are your reasons? Oh, last thing. obama won’t get 200 electoral votes. The guy is done like burnt toast.

    • Ron

      So, what’s the problem? I said you’re gonna win! Cheney 2.0!

      Hey, that would make an awesome chant at the Koch boys’ victory rally!

      It goes good with “C-S-A”!

      I can hear it now:

      “2.0! 2.0! C-S-A! C-S-A!”

  • John Swanson

    This Barack Obama character is the most dangerous, perfidious and divisive person to ever occupy the Oval Office. It is totally inappropriate for America to have a Godless Commie as president.
    For you Obamaphiles out there my message is simple:
    If You voted for Obama the first time,perhaps you were just being hopeful.
    If after the past few years you vote for Obama yet again,perhaps you have been Lobotomized!

    • JON

      John said: “blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah”

      • Liberty Lover

        Very insightful, JON. Is your IQ measured in blahs?

  • Shelley

    I hope Romney doesn’t pick Rubio for VP – he isn’t eligible – he is not a natural born citizen. Yes, the VP must have the same requirements as Pres – 12th amendment, last line.

  • HKaufman

    MR Root: if your looking for laughs get a job with Comedy central and get your laughs. To your Article i say :”HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA,, this is the best joke since GWB first got appointed NOT ELECTED as President, let me back up on that statement:” CHUMP n CHARGE. ” I doubt you have a journalist degree from the articles read. There are 5th graders who write more intelligent articles MR Root, look into re training your thinking..I will end my pontificating on your writing. Live long and prosper…


  • Marl

    The mentality here is unbelievable. Nina can’t put two sense-making words together, others can’t spell, nor have bothered to do the research. First and foremost, the U.S. was not formed to comply with Christian principles, but if it were a Christian nation as you might like it to be, then you’d first have to stop the ‘hate’ toward our President and learn to love and respect as would the Lord Jesus Christ. Now go hang your heads in shame.

  • Rhoda V.

    Nena’s response (only my opinion) is that she is not a citizen of the United States of America, and will guess that she might even be an illegal. This matters to me, because although we, as United States citizens, have freedom of speech, illegal aliens do not share our freedoms because they are not citizens. If Obama is reelected, our great USA will become a thing of the past, and we will fall under socialism. Obama hates the United States. A note to Nena: I assume you are on public assistance getting free medical care and food stamps. You probably came from a third world country where you had nothing and now you are giving your opinion in a country you couldn’t wait to come to, so you could share our freedoms. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. I want to remain free, and although our current Congress is not the greatest, I will take it over any the place in the entire world. We are still the strongest and the best. I am sick and tired of hearing Obama apologize to other countries. I remember the map when Regan won. It was a landslide. Let’s get this liar-in-chief out of the White House.

    • Karolyn

      Wow, Rhoda, like so many others here you’re clairvoyant and can tell everything about a person just from what they post! Isn’t that special?

  • Larry Luntsford

    Wow, that’s good to know. Since Obama is going to lose in a landslide, I don’t need to bother to vote. It’s such an inconvenience to drive over to the polls anyway. All of my friends in the gated retirement community I live in will also be relieved that they don’t have to vote.

  • Andrew Jackson

    Mr Root you not taking voter fraud in to account: Don’t you remember Ohio, Pennsylvania stuffing ballot boxes stuffed by democrats in the 2008 presidential race, B0 didn’t really win the election for presidency, so your not taking into account election fraud. Military veterans votes are now going to be counted in Spain by Soros (B0′s handler), how do you think that will work out, Stalin said, “It doesn’t matter who votes only who counts the votes”.

  • Sheryn

    Its kind of scarey to see how many ignorant people are out there !

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Sheryn,you do like talking about yourself and describing yourself as scary and ignorant.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Look in the mirror, Sheryn. You should be terrified!

  • Neil Swan

    What we need to do to help the country is keep Obama and get rid of the Republicans in congress and senate. They are the ones who keep trying to mess things up. Because they don’t want to tax the rich and oil companies.

    I also noticed that a lot of comments came from the religious right who are against the constitutions separation of church state.


    • Nadzieja Batki

      It amazes me how you want to dictate that no religious right should comment on this forum.
      You would dictate that no one would have liberty because you say so.
      You are a would be Tyrant.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Neil Swan,

      Please explain for “the consititions (sic) separation of church state (sic)” as you understand it. Please include where this idea comes from.

      Best wishes,

      • Neil Swan

        As I understand it the constitution is for religious fredom, and against religious law.
        The religious right is for religious law.


      • GALT

        Well that is a fairly easy question Mr. Livingston…..

        Freedom of Religion is guaranteed in the First Article of the Bill of Rights, and since
        no specific “metaphysical philosophy” is mentioned one would say that this freedom
        was applicable to all of these and well as the right to be free from interference from
        “other religions” or “all of them” in the free exercise there of.

        From there we take quick jump to article 6 and that here the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land………and that no religious test is required to hold public office…….and since the oath is one to the constitution……anyone who would attempt to assert any religious authority while under oath….would be guilty of treason…..

        I am unaware of anyone else explaining this in this manner, but if there is I shall gladly cede credit…….and welcome the identification of same……

        and of course I will entertain any objections you might have to it?

        Sincerely, Galt

      • Bob Livingston

        Dear Neil Swan,

        You write: “As I understand it the constitution is for religious fredom, and against religious law.” You have not answered my question. I will attempt to restate it.

        Please explain for me what the Constitution says regarding the separation of church of state. I would appreciate an explanation from you about what the Constitution says regarding religion and what it means.

        You write: “The religious right is for religious law.” This is a logical fallacy.

        Best wishes,

      • Bob Livingston

        Dear GALT,

        At risk of being accused of dodging you, I would like see Neil Swan’s response to my second query and respond to it before I address your comment. I am very interested in learning what information and reasoning Mr. Swan used to form his opinion regarding the separation of church and state.

        Best wishes,

      • Jay

        Galt says: and that no religious test is required to hold public office…….and since the oath is one to the constitution……anyone who would attempt to assert any religious authority while under oath….would be guilty of treason…..

        I agree, and i would add; and since the oath is one to the Constitution….anyone who deviates from any of its articles, or attempts any changes therein….would be guilty of treason…Seems to me…. the present potus… and most of the former presidents…are guilty of treason!

      • Neil Swan

        When Oklahoma was going to make a law against Sharia Law. A judge said they didn’t have to because the constitution was against religious law.
        That’s what I read in the newspaper.


        • Bob Livingston

          Dear Neil Swan,

          Your reply is non-responsive. Do you not understand my question, are you unwilling to answer it or are you unable to answer it?

          Best wishes,

      • T i m

        RON PAUL

  • Charles Bill L.

    Let us pray this man is right.

    • T i m

      We people must put feet to the prayer . MITT ROMNEY WILL BE …..NO BETTER THAN OBAMA ……………….. RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT . .Last I read , HE AIN’T DONE YET .

  • Delores Smith

    - Call pest control. I saw a rat run out of the White House, and he sat in front of the podium
    in the Rose Garden.
    - Start packing immediately.
    - Arrange for the U-Haul trucks to be at the White House as soon as possible.
    Delores Smith

  • mary beacham

    Thank goodness! Can’t stand another 4 yrs of Obama!

    • T i m

      Mitt Romney will not be any better / different than Obama . Romney is the PRESUMPTIVE nominee , because DADDY BUSH SAID SO . …………………RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT ………..

  • Libsrlintlickers

    I disagree…….It will be more like a TSUNAMI!! Unfortunately, when all is said and done, I don’t believe that Romney will encourage prosecution and imprisonment of the FRAUD in the White House and his crony conspirators….. The American people need to keep the heat on to accomplish JUSTICE for our great country!! Let’s VOTE THEM OUT and pursue PROSECUTION of all treasonous politicians!!

    • Carfield

      Where do you get your information— sounds like Fox Station to me – you may wish to check out the information you have gathered and get informed. What treason or fraud?

      • steveo

        How about not being born as a U.S. citizen for starts…..

    • Carl Manning

      If Romney were to become President, he will prosecute nothing whatsoever against Obama. Here’s why…

    • Ron

      Yay! We can WATERBOARD ‘em! President Cheney said so and he was the boss!

  • Don Hirth

    One and DONE!!! No more socialism!!!

  • Joseph Jr.

    @ NENA , HUH????? Obama speaks better babble than you. I love listening to so called libertarians. Not Dem or Rep. yet almost all disagree with the Dems and agree with the Repubs stance on smaller government and and lower taxes. If they are waiting for the Democrats to come up with a conservative they will be waiting a long long time. I do agree that Obama will lose in November but they are leaving out one possibility, Hillary Clinton taking the nomination from Obama. They are sneaky and know who he is now and won’t make the same mistake this time around. Bill has been a busy beaver working on getting Hillary on the ticket behind Obamas back. Not a sure thing but a very viable possibility.

    • SoCo Gal

      Good point about Hillary – The Repubs have JEB BUSH waiting in the wings if Mitt’s numbers don’t look good. And of course the old guard GOP is PETRIFIED of what might happen at the RNC since Ron Paul continues to rack up delegates and Mitt doesn’t have anywhere NEAR the needed 1144 to “clinch” the nomination

      Neither parties want change – they want to keep the status quo

  • FEDUP!

    Thanks Wayne! That was music to my ears!

  • Sheryn

    Galt if you are so much smarter than everyone else, what the hell are you doing on here??

  • texastwin827

    It’s highly possible that this article is based on info that the media never shares with us, knowing that most American’s are basically lazy when it comes to politics and won’t bother to look the Dems Primary results up. They would like the people of this country to think he is running unopposed, however, that’s not usually the case.

    In the ones that I could find (have to search for each state’s results as there are few news stories) below you will not that Obama has not take 90% of any state. In at least 4 recent Democratic primaries, he took less than 60% of those state’s votes.

    Would seem there is possibly a lot of dissatisfaction, amongst Democrats, as well as Republicans & Independents. .

    Democratic Primary Results, by state:

    New Hampshire Obama 82.00%
    Oklahoma Obama 57.90%
    Louisiana Obama 76.45% John Wolf 12.0%
    Missouri Obama 88.39%
    Texas Obama 88.00% John Wolf 5%
    Arkansas Obama 58.00% John Wolf 47%
    W. Virginia Obama 57.72 Keith Judd (TX convict) 42.28%
    Kentucky Obama 59.00% Uncommitted 41.20%

    • http://PersonalLiberty John

      If you think and believe that President Obama is bad for America, wait and see what Gov Romney will do for America Middle Class and for people who depend on the Health Care Bill that was passed by this Administration. If you ever have visited a medical facility Emergency Room and see all the people waiting to see a doctor when they do not have insurance. It will be going back to that when the Health Care Bill is repealed with Gov Romney in office. He has already told us he do not care about the Poor People in this country and people still wants to elect him. What are we thinking when donations are arriving in the millions for his election. It is time for America to wake and smell the roses before they eliminated. I normally vote Republican, but this November I an voting Democrat, in support of people what does not have the Insurance and funds for medical care. I have served in the military for 24 years and have seen war and knows the difference from the have and have not. I am making my donation to the Democrat in support of American Fighting Men and Women also. I support the decision that President Obama made closing the War in Irag and moving military personnel from Afganistan also. He stated what he wanted to do when he ran for office in 2008, and yes he has made some decision that I disagree with alos, but I believe he has accomplished most of the Agenda that he ran on. He inherited this job stagnation problem that has plagued his Admistration since he took office. He is not the blame, but because it happened under his watch, he had to accept responsibility for it. He turned this economy around, be he is not receiving credit for this. His Administration has had their hand full from the first day he took office and we as American are still trying to recover from this unforseen financial disaster. I say vote for President Obama and not turn our back on the Administration that kept Detroit, Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia, Georgia, and the Carolinas working 24/7. That is the Democratic Party and Also the Gulf Coast BP Oil Mess Cleaned up so people have places to have Vacations and Holidays places to visit.

      • Vic

        LOL, john. Yr not fooling anyone. Youaren’t intelligent enough to have allegedly been a conservative. NO, Obumma hs not accomplished @#$%. I voted for him last time but that was before I foujnd out he is a socilaist, lying FRAUD. YES, this mess of an economy is hus fault. Bush jr started it but it was up to Obumma to end it and all hes done is make it worse. Ron Paul is going to steal the niomination from Robmey and then be elected ina landslide agianst the worst POTUS EVER.

      • SoCo Gal

        @ John

        You DO know that Obama just commited the US to another 10 years in Afghanistan for a total of 12 more right?

        You DO know that Obama has the U.S. Military involved in Syria, Libya and Iran, right?

        You do know that the Gulf was never properly cleaned up and the fishermen in the Gulf are pulling up freak fish and other sea life with 3 eyes, no fins, etc, right?

        You do know that BP and the Fed actually brought in “fresh” sand to various beaches and the coastline in the Gulf and dumped tons of it in order to cover up the sludge that was there from the spill, right?

        You do know that the chemicals sprayed in the water not only killed massive amounts of sea life near to the coastline but miles out to sea as well and that numerous people who handle the chemicals have gotten terminally sick and some have died from the exposure?

        You do realize that the chemicals used were NOT water solulable, meaning they did not break up and dissapate, but instead clumped up and fell to the bottom of the sea bed and still remain there today or are floating out to sea, right?

        You do realize that more Americans are out of jobs, more than any other time in history, save for the Great Depression, right?

        You do realize that more people are on welfare than any time in U.S. history, right?

        You do realize that in the 3 1/2 years Obama has been Prez, the U.S. deficiet higher than any time in U.S. history, and that OBAMA, not Bush, added $5 TRILL to an existing $10 TRILL debt and that Bush Jr. did not create a $10 Trill debt all by himself, that it was part of an ongoing debt of the last 200 years (floating at different figures throughout history), right?

        You do realize that $5 TRILL out of $15 TRIL is ONE THIRD of our total debt created soley through the Obama administration.

        You do realize that there is no active, enforceable Health Care for all, right?

        You do realize that there is NOTHING in ObamaCare that guarentees AFFORDABILITY, only that it is going to be MANDATORY and will be enforced by the IRS, right?

        You do realize that the insurance companies have NEVER stated they will lower insurance premiums for their customers, right? That ObamaCare guarentees the insurance industry NEW CLIENTS – oh yeah and that the Fed BAILED OUT THE LARGEST INSURANCE COMPANY IN THE WORLD, AIG, b/c AIG couldn’t make money and couldn’t cover their insurance risk pools, right?

        You do realize that insurance is based on risk pools, based on demographics of customers like health, age, where you live, what kind of car you drive, whether or not you own a house, etc right?

        You do realize that when there are FORCED risk pools in insurance the premiums go HIGHER not lower, right?

        You do realize that just about EVERYONE in the U.S. has access to health care, they just have to PAY for it based on their particular health condition, including the pre-existing condition patients, right?

        You do realize that the non-working poor have access to government subsidized health care, food, housing, payment of their utility bills and hell, even get a free cell phone in most states, right?

        You do realize that the working poor and the middle class do not have access to the same government subsidized programs and actually contribute 20-35% of their own family income to support those people who refuse to work, who are actually taking the food off the table of someone else, right?

        You do realize that the government does not count people as unemployed if their unemployment benefits have run out, even if they still don’t have a job – that they are taken OUT of the unemployment numbers, regaled to Unemployment Purgatory – since the government deems them “no longer seeking work” even if they are, right?

        It’s not “just” Obama, its the entire political system and its infrastructure. HOWEVER, Obama has NOT made things better nor has he fulfilled his promises to the public that voted him in and he has miserably failed.

        If you were a business owner, and you hired a manager to take over your business to put it on the right track, would you honestly keep him another 4 years if he didn’t at least make MAJOR headways in turning a profitable company? If you answer “yes” then that tells me you have never been in business for yourself.

        Presidencies are not “second chances”. If you are a poor, ineffective President, then you need to be gone when your term is up.

        Actually, we should have job expectations and goals for our Presidents – not visa versa
        When elected, they should be held accountable and if they do not perform well, we should be able to fire them early – forget waiting out 4 years of hell – give them 2 years with clear cut, concise expectations. Review them. If they aren’t meeting the goal – good bye.

        The problem is when the system becomes so corrupt that the fox is watching the hen house, the inmates are running the asylum.

        We are stupid as Americans to settle for less than EXCELLENCE. The people put in place in Congress and the White House should be the best of the best. The brightest, the smartest, the most honest.

        Instead, we listen to “parties” that give US THEIR agendas not visa versa. We allow career politicans do keep their jobs year after year, decade after decade. We should have a 2 term limit for ALL public office, down to the town dog catcher.

        We have ALLOWED this system to engorge itself at our expense and now the snake is eating its own tail.

        Personally, I think its time for Americans to take back America.

        Or, are you willing to follow the rest of the lemmings off the cliff because you are used to voting for the dregs of the earth to run our country?

        Let’s send Mr. Smith to Washington – I am sure there are 100′s or even 1000′s of him out there who would be committed to doing an HONEST job for America and Americans. Let’s send our best, our brightest, our FUTURE.

        • Thomas Gunn

          People need to stop mis-using the English language. “Obamacare”, is not a “health care” bill.

          It is a “health insurance” bill.

          It is NOT about Health Care (a service)……….it is about Health INSURANCE (a product)

          It is NOT about ensuring that everyone has access to quality health “care”.

          Health INSURANCE, is provided to people by INSURANCE COMPANIES.

          Health CARE, is provided to people by physicians, nurses, pharmacists, psychiatrists, and other health-care professionals.

          It (the bill) is intended to ensure that health INSURANCE companies, have a captive audience of people, who will be forced by their government, against their will if necessary, to purchase their “qualified” insurance policies, from government authorized providors.

          Since health care providors are paid for services rendered, by insurance companies, this system, in effect, FORCES real health CARE providors to be accountable to insurance companies and the government that qualifies them; rather than being directly accountable to their patients.

          It is a fundamentally corrupt model; that will compromise the quality of health care for everyone.

          Having a health INSURANCE policy, in no way guarantees that the insured will receive quality health CARE, nor does it guarantee that the entire cost of that care will be covered.

          The insured, will still have to pay, whatever cost is above and beyond the “allowed coverage”, and under this law, will henceforth, be precluded from seeking a better policy from a competitor insurer since this bill essentially creates protected regional monopolies for a select few insurance companies around the country.

          You can be certain, that in the years which follow; when health “CARE” costs go up, due to the coming hyperinflation; that the coverages provided by insurers will not go up in proportion; and ultimately, insureds will wind up paying both, a law-mandated insurance premium, for substandard coverage, under which they will still have to wind up paying more and more of the “uncovered” services.

          Wait and see…..the rape of the American middle class will continue unabated.

  • SoCo Gal

    Everyone posting here does UNDERSTAND that Mitt Romney has not yet been NOMINATED as the Republican Candidate yet, right?

    And that Dr. Ron Paul is STILL RUNNING for POTUS as a REPUBLICAN and WILL NOT run Libertarian because of the amount of growing DELEGATES he is racking up right now.

    MITT does NOT have his needed 1144 and there WILL be a BROKERED CONVENTION in Tampa.

    Please stop reading and listening to the MSM propaganda. Additionally, if you are an out the gate, hands down Mitt supporter than you are also for the same things Obama is for because Mitt agrees with Obama on the following Issues:

    1. Support of the illegal detainment, imprisonment, torture and killing of US Citizens without habius corpus, MIRANDA, cause, or reason under the NDAA;


    3. Spying and wire-tapping US Citizens under the currently revision of SOPA/CIPA including invasion of cell phones, computers and internet useage;

    4. War with Iran;

    5. 10 more years (for a total of 12) of military action in Afghanistan;

    6. ObamaCare (afterall, Mitt birthed the concept while Gov of Mass under RomneyCare)

    7. Supports “ecomonic stimulus”

    8. Has no real plan of action for the Federal Budget;

    9. Backed by big banks (Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan) same backers as Obama;

    REALIZE – there is a MACHINE in place – doesn’t matter if you vote Obama OR Mitt – they have the same overlords.

    Final Thought – Since the Korean “war” (never officially voted to go to war against them) the U.S has been in more war time than peace time.

    Think about it – who’s controlling the Puppet Presidents???

    • Sunny

      Sachs and morgan have already come out for obama…so how can they back both ???? you are using the talking points of someone who isn’t very smart…we want a decent supreme court and if obama gets in, it will go into the toilet the first year of his (GOD FORBID) second term…re-electing obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again….are people that stupid ?

      • T i m

        Fox news quoted Saun Hannity , interveiwing R A N D Paul , Rand said the nominating process is over , Said Rand will support Romney …………..I PRAY TO GOD I READ THAT WRONG . ……………….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT …………………..

        • Liberty Lover

          Time to get real! Rand Paul is doing now what his father will be doing beyond the GOP convention. I’m grateful Ron Paul had such a good run this time around, but that run is over for all practical purposes.

          • T i m

            I will vote RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT . …..I do not care what the BUSH family says . I WILL NOT VOTE FOR RAND PAUL .

    • Ron

      You DO understand that y’all are the ones that are foaming at the mouth for war with Iran, right? So if the n****r-in-chief goes for it, you’ll accuse him of treason. And if the n****r-in-chief fails to go to war with Iran, you accuse him of being soft on Islam and betraying America’s security and therefore guilty of treason, right?

      I do have that right don’t I?

      And please, if I misunderstood you, correct me with something more than a Youtube video of a talking bird. I know we’re pretty stupid on here, but I need a little more clarity of your opinion than that…

      I grew up during the civil rights movement, and I KNOW what a Mississippi literacy test is:
      That’s when crackers used to tell black people that the only way they’d get to vote is if they could read….then they’d hand them a Chinese newspaper.

      I’m sorry if I offended anyone here by using the word “n****r”, ’cause I know you aren’t
      “racises” the way black people are–the word I meant to use was “Kenyigar”.

      My mistake.

  • http://none Claire

    Regarding the title of this article–never count your chickens before they are hatched. With the current campaigning, it is an ugly mess. It is a dog eat dog scenario. Personally, I would rather vote for one of my dogs. Especially since both parties appear to lack common sense about any issue. It is rather pathetic situation, the campaigning is merely a “power grab” nothing more. And what will the outcome be? More of the same. Mark my words.

  • William

    With attitudes like that, it’s no wonder that the USA unfailingly elects presidents who are hated within weeks of taking office.. and in the early postings it seems to me that religion should not be dictated to by government …NOR… should religion have any influence on the government… it goes BOTH ways. You should be arguing about civilized principles and not the fictional diatribes of an ancient an irrelevant god.

  • DaveH

    Why we have to learn to read between the lines with Progressives (they don’t tell the truth).
    First Galt says — “my apologies to other poster’s on this site, and to Mr. Livingston, our host”.
    Then after Bob indicates that he does mind, Galt brazenly compares him to Stalin, and continues the attack with post after post.
    Obviously his preemptive apology was meaningless.

    • Jay

      Everything Galt posts, is meaningless. He sounds like an angry, little man!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        GALT and the Lefties/Socialists/Fascists that come on this site presume that because we have Freedom of Speech that somehow there is such a thing as” Freedom to be Heard”. Let them wear themselves out trying to find that right.
        What is also forgotten and/or possibly disregarded is this is a site created by Bob Livingston and accordingly all are guests.If persons crash a host’s home, eat his provisions (knowledge) and then proceed to denigrate the host and his legitimate guests the host has every right to throw them out. Politeness and “being nice and kind” has limits.

      • Jay

        Many a hammers have been worn-out on the anvil of freedom!

    • GALT

      No David, that is not what you need to learn……..

      You need to learn to read the lines and understand what THEY MEAN……. FIRST!!!!!!!

      That you CAN”T READ is your PROBLEM!

    • Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Speaking of telling the truth DaveH you seem to have mastered repeating a lie over and over until it is accepted as gospel. A lovely trait. I am sure your mother would be proud of you.

      Now I understand who you are DaveH. You, and many others here, are a classic example of the Obama Hate Machine. Bill Press has done extensive research and written a book about you guys.

      Most of your reading material and beliefs come from sources extremely well funded by the Koch brothers, Charles and David who are the #3 & 4 richest coal, oil and gas Billionaires behind 1 & 2 Gates & Buffet.

      Not since Adams & Jefferson or Lincoln have we seen such vicious, ugly personal attacks. We did have something similar when the Dupont brothers went after FDR.

      Public figures have openly called Obama a racist, marxist, fascist, dictator, muslim, nazi, foreigner, Jackass, liar, socialist, Un-American.

      This ugliness is driven by the funding of by oil barrons Koch brothers and a complicit main stream media lead by Fox.

      The Kock-topus machine without whom there would be no Tea Party is also the funding for The Heritage Foundation, Cato (now suing to get it back), American Enterprise Institute, Freedom works, John Kasich OH, Scott Walker WI, CA Prop 23 repealing car standards, WVA overturning mining safety rules and 53 organizations and college research centers to refute global warming. Their bi-yearly meetings and fund raisers are attended by (treasonous) Republican governors and Supreme court justices.

      So you guys are either being manipulated or eagerly following a couple of mean and greedy coal, oil and gas barrons who are manipulating our laws and our government, why? so they can make more money. That’s treasonous.

      Meanwhile you are blaming all of the problems on a government (remember our founding fathers great experiment the US govt) that would love to be able to fix things but let’s face it, we can’t really compete when there is so much dirty money.

      We don’t really stand a chance unless we take this dirty money out of politics. (Campaign finance reform)

      So please DaveH tell us tell us the truth, which is it? Have they manipulated you? Do you agree with them? Or do you work for them?

  • Barbara Burns

    Obviously, Nena is not from America nor does she speak English.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Are you sure about that? If she was foreign born she still has the language from whence she came and she would be translating from that language.



    • JON

      Pardon me, but what is a “PORMER”?
      Don’t forget to proofread before you hit the “Post Comment” button.

  • boyscout

    If I were to wager on election results and expect to win, I guess I’d have to follow Wayne’s call on this one. But “landslide” indicates a point spread yielding diminishing returns on my investment, and, in more ways than one, that’s quite foreseeable ! I will not be a leaser of one of two evils by adding my vote to the mudslide.
    I expect that Ron Paul’s candidacy will continue to be plowed under by the super pac snow storm that’s brewing hot toddies for the media, and that what little we do get to hear of him will completely overshadow any intelligence of Gary Johnson. So too sad.
    At least we will get to put a name on the last president of free America.

  • Wisconsinlady

    Just for the heck of it, what if the Dems don’t plan to run Obama again at all, and Bill is setting up a run for Hillary?

    • T i m


      • SoCo Gal

        @ Tim

        The only women voting for Hillary would be her own party. There is no way in hell someone who is not a registered Democrat would vote for her. She’d just be same old same old.

        Smart THINKING women don’t vote on skin color OR gender. We vote for the BEST person possible.

        Give us women some credit here, will ya??? LOL

        Viva la R3VOLution !

        • T i m

          Put this tid bit of fact in your genius nogg;n. THE WELFARE POPULATION IS BIGGER THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN . AND GROWING BY THE MONTH . Add the teachers union to it , which is DEMOCRATIC BASED . No matter the union power was struck down by the voters in Wisconsin . Obama told the Mexican president , right after last election , he would do everything he could to open the borders , soon as possible . This was advertised on the world news is why I know about it . I am pray’n GOD will protect AMERICA from satan . I SINCERELY HOPE, the NOW GENERATION of RON PAUL SUPPORTS , ARE BIG ENOUGH , NUMEROUS ENOUGH , TO UNSEAT ….MITT ROMNEY , from the presumptive position . The BUSH Family has endorsed MITT ROMNEY , is why RON PAUL gets no media coverage . Same thing happened to Fred Thompson last election , had the same ideas as RON PAUL . NO MATTER FOX NEWS HAS INTERVIEWED SEAN HANNITY , TO QUOTE RAND PAUL TO JUMP SHIP FROM HIS FATHER , AND GO TO ROMNEY CAMP . MAD me sick when I read that . I HOPE I MISREAD IT , OR , THIS MAY BE MORE CORRUPTION IN THE MEDIA . …RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT ……………….

    • Carl Manning

      There is a lot of speculation right now that Obama will dump Biden for Hillary as his Veep, which would galvanize the Democratic Party base and hit the GOP like a kick in the gonads. Bill Clinton’s recent “gaffe” was probably a setup by Bill Clinton for a deal to have Hillary on the ticket to buy Bill’s silence and cooperation because Bill knows politically Obama is weak at the moment. Bill hasn’t forgotten how Obama murdered his friend, Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman, Bill Gwatney, to coerce him to shut up about the Birther issue. He also hasn’t forgotten how Obama then threatened to assassinate Chelsea if he remained persistent, defiant, and undeterred in his determination to get the Birther issue in the media to take down Obama back in 2008. As seasoned murderers and gangsters in the DC crime syndicate, for Obama and Clinton, this is just “business” in their minds and cold-blooded hearts – it comes with the territory. Bill Clinton is asserting his political capital now that he knows Obama’s weak. Bill has plenty of his own goons who will kill for hire at the drop of a hat. I believe this is the story most of the idiot pundits on the fictitious Right and Left MSM are completely missing. Be on the lookout for this announcement shortly before the DemoCommies have their star-studded made-in-Hollywood Communist Dictator Coronation Ceremony.

  • Thinking About

    Hey, how well did you do in predicting you run, did you predict you would lose by a landslide. I predicted you would lose by a landslide so I guess this makes a professional also.

    • DaveH

      What would one expect in a country full of heavily Propagandized Sheeple who can’t think for themselves?

      • Thinking About

        DaveH, you are right and did my prediction come true, yep. What else did you expect.

  • Eric Jones

    Fist of all i prmised in a comment i left on a different article that i would BITCHSLAP the next person who called obama/democracts socialist as it offends me as a ACTUAL SOCIALIST please send me your adress so i give you what youve earned. Also HOW IN THE Hell can you say obama is anti-buesness when heve given MILLIONS in donations how can you say hes anti-israel when hes thripled the sanctions on iran. You brag about commen sence? Far as i can tell YOU DONT KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.

    • Sunny

      School….that is all I have to say….stay or go back to school

    • T i m

      Eric , my name is T i m . I am tbbikerdad , I do not know what a bitchslap is , EVEN SO , I will CHALLENG you astronomical MIS INFORMATION . My opinion is fact . 1st you must take off your racial blinders . …. Definition of socialism , WELFARE . I am a self employed , 3 rd generation military veteran . WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN . / My job was to support the troops who died , to give you the right to collect WELFARE , if you are doing that . NO MATTER WHAT COLOR THE PERSON , if you have not been there , and carried the gun ………..YOU NEED TO FIND A SOLDIER , AND KISS AND WASH THEIR FEET . If you are a veteran , I will salute you . If you are a disabled veteran , GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU AS HE SEES FIT , with your faith in JESUS CHRIST . ….If you are living on WELFARE , prove to me , you deserve it ,….BECAUSE MY SOCIAL SECURITY IS PAYING ALL YOUR BILLS . I WILL NEVER SEE A DIME OF SOCIAL SECURITY OR RETIREMENT , BECAUSE OF WELFARE ……………… I am so messed up over your opinion , makes me want to cry for you ……………… I hope to see you in HEAVEN . ………. RON PAUL SAYS THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY .

  • Carl Manning

    At this juncture, no government entity is willing to stop Obama. He is already a de facto dictator, and soon he will be officially our dictator when he begins purging his enemies and rounding them up en masse in the FEMA camps after he declares martial law. The pundits and even Wayne Allan Root have all severely underestimated this man’s capabilities as a KGB plant of Russia. Communists such as Obama never let an opportunity go to waste especially when no one in the federal government and only a handful in the State governments are showing any will whatsoever to stand up to him and stop him. As Ron Paul has pointed out many times before, the CIA Obama controls is already a completely rogue shadow government of murderous psychopaths who are no longer even accountable to Congress for even their illegal funding methods such as drug trafficking, sex trafficking, human trafficking, and money laundering, let alone their nefariously horrific evil activities such as assassinations and false-flags like 911. Time will only tell if many Congressmen, Senators and others who could have done something about Obama were either blackmailed by the CIA or threatened with assassination. Obama knows now he can do anything he wants to with complete immunity. Will he let a national election stop him??? Not likely. Once he establishes martial law, he will shoot the eagle to death.

  • Sunny

    is NENA a real person, or someone who just is plain ignorant, and not pretending

  • Intolerant of Fools

    If Obama loses, we all lose. Romney has not said one word what he will do to bring the economy back. Flip-flop, flip-flop. The rich love this guy, much the yhe milyary junta of Haiti liked Papa Doc Duvalier. Get ready.

  • oldbutnotadumbass 2012

    Its Time to change( For THE GOOD of THE COUNTRY!!!) RON PAUL 2012!!!!!But of course Any body would be better than Obama (ABO)I didn’t vote for him the last time around,and i’ll bet there is a lot of people who did (by now),wished they hadn’t of!!!

    • T i m

      The same people as before will do it again because of racism . YOU CAN NOT TAKE THAT FACT OUT . …..THE WELFARE POPULATION IS BIGGER THAN IT HAS EVER BEEN . ….Add the teachers union to it .

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  • Davee El Hombre Grande

    Mike in Mi.
    Well spoken Mike, Do we not have to consider the fact that God never wanted His people to take a king to lead them? God wanted to be their all in all and human nature wanted something or somebody that was tangible. Hence the multi layered doctrines and kings, queens, dictators, conservative, liberal, communist, progressive mish-mash of thought that leaves my head spinning. I would encourage everyone to take the Constitution 101, online course offered by Hillsdale College, which very nicely puts into prospective the connection between the Decoration and the Constitution. It was no small task and they evoked the help of the spirit of divine power (God) through the entire possess. Our discussion in this piece is to make an argument why Obams will not win in 2012. I feel it is because God has used him to show all Americans how badly a leader of no Godly foundation can ruin a nation that was founded by the help of divine leadership. God wants a do something people, Beggars need not apply. People of need are cared for by those who are strong. What big government has cultivated are a strong people becoming parasites on our economy. It has never worked and it will not work under President Obama. What moves human nature to take without earning? One has to become numbed in their conscience to do that. I am not saying that Obama will not win. I am saying that if he does it is only because God is not done showing Americans that they have poorly lead and kept the intentions of the Constitution and freedom. It is under assault by every level of our own leadership. We the people have let it happen, we have been taking care of our own business and thought that our elected leaders have been acting in our interest. NOT SO. Our schools and colleges are laced with Marxist thinking instructors. Our test books are writing with a twisted view of history. Why? How did we allow this to happen? Because we let man lead and did not follow the will of God. What religion did God give to Adam and Eve? What religion did Jesus bring into this world? God wants doers of His will, not parasites. That is the lost purpose of today’s leadership, I fear. Can it be turned around? YES! But we the people have to want it and when God sees that spirit in mankind He will return civility to this generation.
    I have ot believe that or I get very depressed, even as Elijah did after dropping the word of God on Ahab. No rain or dew until I say so. Then Elijah ran for his life, fearing the power that God had given to a nere-do-well king. (Ahab and Jezebel)
    We have to pray and then we have to do. We vote, and how ever it comes out is what God want us (US) to endure, just for educational reasons. So what is the message???? What’s the lesson????
    I want God in and that will drive Obama and his Czars out. But that’s just me, and I don’t count in the context of Romans 13 verse 1. I count in the secret place of prayer and I vote as God give me lead.

  • middleman 2012

    Carl Manning -I respect your opinions,and your views,however,I respectful disagree. .There are just far to many people in this country , that have weapons ,that could and would fight back(Me included) .In order for our central Goverment to have an even chance of doing that, they would have to have the backing of our military .This would mean that,sons,and Daughters ,Uncles ,Fathers,etc.etc, that are in the military,would be willing to kill their own families,and other civilians !! You may argue the point by saying”well,how about the civil war!!”,You would then have to remember that both,the North,and the South had their own armies!

  • dufas magnet

    Root is a dumbazz.. If he’s considered the elite odds maker then I’m the Queen of Britain.. Landslide my ass hairs, who do he think Mittens is, Ronnie Raygun? On either side this is going to be a squeaker, I guarantee it. There are as many voters who do not want Romney to become POTUS as there are anti-Obama voters.. This being the case then there’s a small percentage that’s going to determine this election and we’ve been so gung-ho in warring with each other that we have no idea how this small percentage will vote BUT there will be a winner and he will slip through by the skin of his teeth. Only a miracle will create a landslide and neither of the top runners has any clue how to create miracles.. Oh, they might tell you they will but neither are under oath thus they do not have to honor their promises once they get in.

  • ed

    NENA we never take anyone serious when their shift key is stuck on

  • GALT

    Well then Nancy, you have been certainly provided with a sufficient number of demonstrative examples on how to use such evidence in support of your conclusion, so there is no reason for you to keep this to yourself.

  • Phil

    Wayne Root, you are a one sided odd maker. I take you for this because election is around the corner. One thing I agree with you is that America problem is caused by both parties with the Republican most at blame. My prediction is Obama wins, Republican keeps the house while the Democrat keeps senate. The American People have spoken!

    • T i m


  • Sandy Daniels

    I I am quite wide awake.What this adminstration has been working hard for is the absorbtion of the US into the world government. First they had to destroy our economy so that the masses were desperate enough to reliquish their sovereignty for lack of food and services. Next, they have to disarm us so we have no power to restore the constitution or control our own fate. This is NOT the begging of the process this is the end run. This started 60 years ago and in some aspects, as far back as 100 years ago.
    The Bildeburgers laid out the whole plan for this result back in the 50′s. The question before us is, are the American people going to allow this? Will America end with a whimper? Or with the roar of the free people restoring the Constitution to it’s proper place? I know there are men here who have fought for this country Now people it’s your turn. First educate yourselves as to what the federal governments powers are and are not, this is clearly defined in our constitution. Then make your decision as to can be done to stop this. It’s either that or learn to love abject poverty and servitude with no honor no hope. Once the country falls there is no peacefull way back. It’s up to you. Face the factual truth or just sit back while events rip away your illusions.

    USMC,USN (ret)

    • Davee El Hombre Grande

      Well spoken Sandy Danials, I pray that God will keep me from the violant man, because God knows how I will respnd and I don’t want to be forced into defendng my family and home with leathal force. Thank you for your service to aour country. May God have mercy on our nation!

      • T i m

        Sandy Daniels , re read your world history . You can find most of it on the dollar bill in your pocket . AMERICA WAS BORN IN TO THE WORLD GOVERNMENT . AMERICA is currently part of the G – 2 0 world government . Rick Perry wanted to get AMERICA OUT OF THE WORLD GOVERNMENT . Romney will keep us there . RON PAUL WANTS TO GET AMERICA OUT OF THE WORLD GOVERNMENT . ….THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . All of congress knows this ……. RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

    • T i m

      SIR , I profoundly apalogize to you . I am getting these post mixed up . I read one , someone complaining about being required to RE BETWEEN THE LINES …….I agree a lot with that . SOme one said , learn to read it right the 1 st time . Some of these things make no sense , ….BECAUSE , …….THEY HAVE NOT BEEN THERE . My job was to support the soldiers , who were sent to the front lines and maybe die , to give the WELFARE POPULATION THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN .

  • T i m

    B T W , Sandy Daneils , GOD is not going to BLESS AMERICA , till we act like it . i also am retired military , 3 rd generation . Father was Air Force , do not know what grandfather was . I praise GOD for your service . I SALUTE YOU . I pray dailey GOD will protect AMERICA from satan . We got to get satan out of the WHITE HOUSE .

    • Sandy Daniels

      I am well aware of that as well tim and youre right GOD won’t bless us till we return to him just think though the constitution is BASED on Christian ideals they work in tandem

  • Daniel Williams

    What a gasbag – always selling himself first, last and always. Why he thinks the obvious; that Romney has a good chance of routing Obama, is somehow a great personal attribute is beyond me. Wayne’s a nice guy, but the only person he wants to promote is himself.

  • Bob Duke

    Sheryn, been reading your posts and cannont find one thought in your head which
    is true or well founded. You say you read “everything you can get your hands on”,
    but obviously all lopsided progressive trash. Try reading from the website: The American Thinker…excellent essays by thinking people. I doubt you can handle it, but you are
    180 degrees wrong with everything that comes out of your mouth.

    • Ron

      That’s the way to put her in her place! Tell her she’s 180 degrees wrong because you measured it and she’s exactly 180 degrees wrong…which is unusual, ’cause the libtards are usually pretty sloppy with that stuff.

      Well, anyway, the important thing is that you’ve laid out a clear rebuttal to demonstrate how wrong-headed this liberal and the America-hater is.

      And you’ve got the protractor to prove it!

  • Paul

    Forgte Gary. Please. Let’s not pull a Ross Perot.

    Do you think the Libertarian cause will have a better chance in the future if Obama wins a second term??

    Get with the freaking program.

  • Paul

    FoRGET GARY rather.

  • mootsagootsa

    I sure hope Gary Johnson pulls off the upset of the century. Like Wayne said he can get America back on track. Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in all 50 states and he is the right man for the job. Let’s shock the world with a taste of freedom..

  • Bruce Feher

    I pray you are right Wayne but don’t underestimate the Something For Nothing freeloader crowd. When BHO tells them they will lose all their “free” stuff there will be trouble!

  • Ron

    And now I hear that Donald Trump is starting a “Wifer” movement…?

    I dunno, maybe he’s got a point…I mean, Mitt Romney SAYS he only has one wife, but I mean, HOW DO YOU KNOW?

    Let’s see the Marriage Certificate!

    And I especially want to see the line where it says: “Number of Wives”…

    What??? It doesn’t HAVE a line on his marriage certificate for that??

    How convenient…

  • http://N/A HapHarris

    Wayne Allyn Root has always been one of my favorite prognosticators. And I usually agree with him 100%. However, “Our Narcissist-In-Chief” was selected by the Bilderbergers and groomed by Henry Kissinger together with the CIA to bring us into the New World Order. All of our Electronically Cast Ballots will be counted by a Company located in Spain. And, Mr. George Soros holds a HUGE financial interest in this Company. During his first term in office BO has set the stage for a complete takeover of America by the Globalist Banksters. I’m looking for an event that will give BO provocation to declare Marshal Law. In which case there will be no election…and if there is one it will be rigged.

  • Dick B

    re the NENA way back up there. I suspect whoever posted that used a computer generated language translation program from her language to English. That’s why it’s so difficult to read/understand. As most people know word for word translation just doesn’t work.

  • Boogie

    I’m voting for Obama – PERIOD!! America is not built for equality it is built on the have and the have-nots. President Obama don’t have any baggage that connects him to big business like oil, banks etc. like Romney. That’s why President Obama will lose cause the “haves” are scaring the crap out of the “have-nots”. Republicans don’t actually believe in values in the the word of GOD – Republicans believe in the faith of money & power. All I can say is I never saw armor trucks pull up to a cemetary behind limosines. You can’t take it with you so why not try and make other born Americans simplify some things in life.

    • Bruce Feher

      I rather vote for you

  • LindaAshworth

    i hate Obama I ll vote for Rodney and Obama is doing the devi’s work so he could control the world….You all are dumbest to vote for Obama and i do believe in God but i don’t go to church . i am bisexual , Obama will let same sex to get married so that way they can have more people to vote for him. he also approved for us all to have mircochip to be installed under our skins so that way he can control us all and trace us that will happen after January2013 , he is missilum and he lied about going to college in Hawaii , huh . think hard and he hates white people , i am awared of rodney disike an animals and i love animals but i ll still vote for rodney to save our country and the world that God created , oboma is very dangerous to our nations.

  • Danny


    • keith decker

      all of us will danny.The ones on here who allready have thrown in the towel should be ashamed.Ill write in ron paul as well.I dont wanna have to think i caved and now i swear at the president i did vote for when he messes with my country.Paul 2012

      • Danny

        Even if we stand alone at least we tried to do the best we could for our beautiful USA.

      • Thomas Gunn

        Well, think on this for a moment. The republican convention takes place during the last few days of August, in Tampa, FL, more than 2 months away.

        It is only open to Delegates, so the general public cannot attend. However…… remember many years ago…..”the million man march” on Washington ?

        Consider the impact of a “Million American Patriots’ March” on Tampa…….when a Million or more Ron Paul suppporters surround the outside of the Republican National Convention building while the few thousand people inside attend the coronation of the Media’s nominee Mitt Romney.

        For the past year, the media….including Faux news….has done everything possible to marginalize Dr. Paul. Propaganda by omission…..pretending he doesn’t exist. They clearly succeeded in subverting his campaign in order to ensure their chosen golden boy would be shoved down our throats.

        I don’t know about any of you, but I’ll be standing on the steps of the convention hall, with my Ron Paul sign held proudly high above my head. Where will You be ?

        We can either sit around here whining and typing our complaints on this keyboard, or we can get up and do something about this.

        90% of succes…is just showing up. It’s about time that We The People……start Showing Up.

        • T i m

          IT IS TRUELY , UP TO US PEOPLE IN SUPPORT OF RON PAUL TO CHANGE THIS . I am so frustrated over RAND PAUL’s decision as reported by NEWS MAX NEWS , Rand supporting Mitt Romney . ……………….I will continue to support DR RON PAUL for president …………….

          • Thomas Gunn

            I actually do NOT fault Rand Paul for doing so. I have met both of them (Ron and Rand Paul), and it’s clear that the entire Paul family are a devoted, traditional family of REAL values and REAL Character. I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for these two men. You can be certain that Rand Paul didn’t make his endorsement without first discussing it with his father.

            Furthermore, we have to understand, that the Paul family has been working in government for a long time, and they have seen it all. They know how this dysfunctional and corrupt system works.

            They also have seen for decades, the distasteful, pathetic, apathy with which the vast cross-section of the American public whines and complains about government, while actually doing little or NOTHING substantive to bring about REAL change to it. As such, with the full knowledge that fighting the media propaganda, and the status-quo powers that be; their only reasonable course of action at this point is to cut their losses and do what they can to end the Obama presidency. This is STEP ONE, and MUST be accomplished.

            The Pauls’ ultimate goal, is STEP TWO — to use their ever increasing influence to change the character and direction of the Republican party. THAT is indeed, the best way to bring about near-term change in this country. If Obama were to win another term; bringing about that change in the Republican party would not only be much more difficult, but would be ineffectual to boot.

            Changing the party would have been much easier with Ron Paul in charge, but like a mis-behaved teenager; the Republican Party has and will continue to resist with every fiber of its being, to be brought onto the correct path of VALUES, and REAL CHARACTER. They are struggling to stick as closely to the status quo as they can, because like most politicians; they live in fear, they are COWARDS.

            In this case and in this context; Rand Paul’s action makes perfect sense, and is completely logical. If the corrupt media and elections system of this country will FORCE Mitt Romney down our throats, then the best we can do is to put as much pressure on the party that put him there, to change their ways…..through public pressure and with the inside influence that can be brought to bear by the Paul family.

            I support Ron Paul, and I support Rand Paul; in every sense of their work and efforts to bring about REAL EFFECTUAL CHANGE, to the Republican party.

            I vehemently dislike Mitt Romeny, but the only word that describes Obama, is utter contempt. He is a devout communist, bent on destroying everything that this country was founded upon, and he must be stoppped but since we again are given no real choice, the best thing we can do; is to make sure that when Romney takes office….he will be made very much aware that WE THE PEOPLE are finally paying attention, and will be watching what he does while in office. It is called, Managing Up. Anyone who has worked in industry knows what it is like to have to work for an incompetent Boss. If you depend on your job for a living, you figure out how to Manage Him. That is what we need to do with Mr. Romney.

            With the help of Dr. Paul, and Senator Rand Paul, we can keep delivering a STRONG REMINDER to Romney and the Republican party, that THEY WORK FOR US……. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. We MUST TRANSFORM the Republican Party. This country will NEVER elect a 3rd party candidate, no matter how good, or how pupular that 3rd party candidate is. There is simply too much corruption in the elections system. Dr. Paul knows this, and he understands that our ONLY HOPE, is to transform the GOP.

            For months, we have been hearing in the propaganda media about the “Occupy” movement. A bunch of misguided (though largely well-intentioned) and frustrated citizens who have been manipulated into mistakenly believing that the solution to this country’s problems, is to replace our current Corporate Socialist system, with an even more onerous State Socialist one. They have never been taught, what a REAL free market system is, and they are no help, in bringing about the right kind of change .

            Perhaps it is time instead: for REAL Constitutionalisits, REAL Libertarians, to “Occupy” the Republican Party, and start FORCING OUR HAND, in RESTORING CONSTITUTIONAL VALUES, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY, PROPERTY RIGHTS, and FREE MARKET PRINCIPLES back to the mis-labled “conservative” party; which is actually nothing of the kind. Such values will NEVER be brought into the Democratic Party, they are a lost cause, and have been completely corrupted by Marxist ideology. Forget them, and let’s try to repair the Republican Party, before it is too late.

            If you’re smart……I’ll see you all on the front steps of the Republican National Convention Hall in Tampa. If the people in this country will finally start giving a crap about what our children will inherit, if the people of this country have any BALLS, …. hopefully, a few hundred thousand people will be standing there with me.

            Where will YOU be ?

            Republican National Convention: August 27 – 30, 2012
            Tampa Bay Times Forum
            401 Channelside Drive
            Tampa, FL 33602

          • Liberty Lover


  • Denise Dunn

    You all sound like a bunch of stupid idiots who need to get your facts straight before posting your comments. You all watch too much Fox news. You all probably are not rich and go right ahead and vote for scummy rummy, pray he is not elected and save what little money you do have and hope your grandparents keep their social security, and your girlfriends can pay to keep their birth control pills. And as for you women, you all really sound stupid, the Republicans voted to stop you from getting paid the same amount of money that a man makes for doing the same job. It just goes to show, you all hate the fact that a black man is president and will make any sacrifices to try to see he is not elected again. how sad!!!! But you do not have to worry, rummy will not win, we will see to that, azz holes. Again!!! Get your facts and maybe you will vote for the person that will benefit and not hurt you.

    • Thomas Gunn

      Ms. Dumm: I don’t vote for a politician because he or she “will benefit me” (Only SOCIALISTS do that).

      I vote ONLY for a LEADER, who will fulfill his or her OATH OF OFFICE, to UPHOLD AND DEFEND the US CONSTITUTION; which is to ensure that both Your and my unalienable and constitutional rights to life, liberty and PROPERTY are protected. Your beloved narcissist-in-chief; has done nothing other than to violate his oath of office, to show abject contempt for the constitution, and to demonstrate a complete disregard for individual property rights.

      Furthermore, your feeble attempt to pull the “minority card” is an absurd perversion of logic.

      The smallest minority on Earth, is the INDIVIDUAL. Those such as you (and Obama), who seek to deny INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, cannot then claim to be defenders of minorities.

      It clearly is you, who are so mercifully free from the ravages of intelligence so as to be ignorant of the fundamental principles upon which this country was established, and upon which the LAW of the land is based.

    • Liberty Lover

      I’d like to nominate Denise poster child for the left!

      • T i m


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  • Sarah

    I do see Obama with a significant victory, he has been a great president in many ways. There are a few things that I do have significant worries about such as the NDAA and PIPA and SOPA, and of course the economy in general. However, I’d rather have to negotiate and protest these things then endure the Republican parties fear-mongering, ignorance-inducing, lying, manipulation, deregulation, rich-catering, middle class destroying, poor-loathing crap.

  • richard brooks

    it is amusing to watch the debate over party politics. the only thing we ever change at the ballot box is the name. they are all corrupt crooks. the fight is over who will get paid. we will still be paying the bill.

    the politicians have learned the art of division and diversion. the majority of the public falls for the magic show every time.

    if you wish to know whom is to blame. the answer is simple.

    look in the mirror.

  • David

    samurai says:
    June 7, 2012 at 6:25 pm
    What was that Nena? Are an American or are you from another country? If you are from another country, try toi learn our language before posting. Also, I hope you are here legally. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    P.S. You must have both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.


    I’ve seen you write this after your posts “You must have both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.” and I must humbly disagree. I feel that a person doesn’t have to fear God to be a patriot and I would even go further and say I don’t think a person should fear God at all. A person shouldn’t act out of fear but rather from a willful desire to serve and fear should have no place in worship. Just my two cents.

    • T i m

      David , your definition of FEAR is a little bit off , SPIRITUALLY . The BIBLICAL DEFINITION OF FEAR , in respect to GOD , is …..RESPECT . …… If you respect another person , your will most likely do anything your are able to please that person . …..If you fear another person , you will do whatever you can to not have anything to do with that person . …………..I BELEIVE THE BIBLICAL DEFINITION OF GODLY FEAR IS RESPECT . ……………..I fear , MITT ROMNEY will be no better than Obama . …………………..RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

  • Tom

    Just a thought. Different topic. They say Obama’s birth certificate is proper, right? He spent his childhood in Indonesia as Barry Soetoro (sp). Indonesia doesn’t allow dual citizenship. He want to Pakistan in 1981 (Off limits to US citizens at the time. What passport did he use?). He went to college on a foreign student loan/grant. Shouldn’t there be documents on his becoming a US citizen again? I think the word is, Repatrioted. No wonder he is so in favor of illegal immigrants. He is one. Either with Indonesia, the US, or both. Just a thought.

    • T i m

      Congress does not care about Obama’s citizenship . If they did , CONGRESS WOULD HAVE STOPPED THE VOTE . …OBAMA IS ABOVE THE LAW . Dearly beloved ??????? RONALD REAGAN SHOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL , over allowing C I A to run fire arms to I R A N . All this after IRAN captured our AMERICAN citizens and Carter could not negociate . Reagan Got Alzheimer’s disease , ALL OF A SUDDEN , kept him from going to jail . Could not remember his own name . Now today , Democrat Eric Holder is faceing contemp of congress , for DOING THE SAME THING WITH MEXICO , as REAGAN DID WITH IRAN . Oliver North was the fall guy for REAGAN . Today , OLIVER NORTH IS A RADIO HOST , somewhere in CALIFORNIA…????????? ALL POLITICS IS THE SAME …………CONGRESS IS ABOVE THE LAW . ………………….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT …………………

  • Matthew

    When my ancestors who were Irish and German first came to America over one hundred years ago, they were not given the welcome wagon treatment. In fact they were treated very badly. I will not go into all the examples of their horrific treatment, but it certainly wasn’t called a “hate crime” back then.

    Why are we pandering to the endless groups of minorities today? There are way too many lawyers trying to make a quick buck and way too many progressives trying stir up trouble by saying we need to help the disadvantaged. Its time that we ALL put on our big boy and big girl clothes and work to help ourselves. No more standing around looking for the next free handout or scam. And get rid of half the legislation passed recently to protect the disadvantaged. It does not help in the long run, it only creates a class of people feeling like they deserve something. If you want something, work for it.

    If there is a true need or if there is a reason that someone is prevented from working, then Americans always come to the rescue, but I think most of us are feeling taken advantage of by people not truly in need or by people always having excuses for their own laziness.

  • Gillysrooms from Australia

    I disagree with you Allan because if you add up how many Public Sector Union members there are then add the adult numbers in their families who rely on these government wages and you’ll know have many extra people wont vote for the Republicans.

    Then you have all the marketing people who are working around the world promoting American products like cotton whose jobs are now on the line for spending $miilion on promotional stunts if the Republicans win the Presidency and again you might realise how many fewer people will vote for Mitt Romney.

    The moral of my story is not to target the voters or Obama the man, but rather target the policies so you dont make people worry about their specific jobs.

    • T i m

      You are wrong GILLYSROOMS , EVERY ONE FEARS FOR THEIR JOBS, EVERY DAY . AMERICAN un employment has has been orchestrated to be what it is today , for a reason . Dearly beloved RONALD REAGAN was given credit for creating millions of jobs , before term limits kicked him out . Part of the numbers came from seasonal workers , part of it came from labor department adding the military to the statistics numbers . Mr. Obama is depending on the Un employed ( welfare population and now , the amnesty is supposed to add millions to the DEMOCRATIC base . Add the teachers union to it . The voters in WISCONSIN told the labor unions to go away . Media says the illegal aliens are leaving AMERICA in droves , because there are no jobs to keep them here . THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . You are wearing it . ALL OF CONGRESS KNOWS THIS . …….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT …………

      • Denise

        Is that so…… You are so distorted and should check your facts. First of all…. Mr. Obama is President Obama, secondly, the reason there are no jobs is because your Republican people blocks everything President Obama tries to do to stimulate this economy and help people get jobs. They will do and say anything to stop him from being re-elected again because they know his focus is to help the middle and lower class people, including the elderly. Just as flip flopping willard did not want to save all those jobs in the auto industry, he will do the same thing if elected president and then your sorry but will no longer have a job paying you minimum wages, that is because scummy willard will make sure you work for whatever your boss wants to pay you, and then you will pray to have food stamps to help you until you can get back on your feet or you will be begging for the next election to get rid of his rich but, he don’t give a flops azz about you or anyone unless they are rich. But…. our president is black and getting rid of him is all that matters…. right??? SMH…..hum…… you better pray he remains in office

        • T i m

          Denise, I have already shown you my ” FACTS ” . You are so brainwashed . Log in to any news script you choose . Look for the archive news . The Democratic party is growing the welfare population per month . Three years ago , the local news paper where I live , recorded the ASSOCIATED PRESS , world news , to say , THE WELFARE POPULATION IS TWICE AS BIG AS IT WAS 5 YEARS AGO . NOW, Obama has signed the revised version of the dream act , which gives blanket amnesty to all aliens who sign up . MOST OF THESE PEOPLE GO STRAIGHT TO THE WELFARE POPULATION . …If you have a recorded wage earner job , …READ YOUR CHECK RECEIPT . You are paying the welfare population with your SOCIAL SECURITY . …If you live on welfare , I pray you deserve it . If not , you are just as much crook as the rest of the welfare crooks . GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF HIS OWN . ALL THE REST ARE CROOKS . BIBLE I read says , paraprased , IF YOU DO NOT WORK YOU DO NOT EAT . …I have lost 2 decent jobs in the past 1 0 years . One to immigration take over , the other to corporate bankruptcy . I LOST MY HOME BECAUSE I LOST MY JOB , Mr. Obama has created programs in Commerce , giving forclosed homes to the WELFARE POPULATION . They are advertised on the television . ….ALL OF IT PAID FROM SOCIAL SECURITY . READ THE FINE PRINT . …Mr. Obama has said , he is not concerned with the labor force , he is going after the UN EMPLOYED , ( welfare population ) . The amnesty is supposed to increase the DEMOCRATIC voter base . THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . You are wearing it . Probably driving one . Cell phones and computers . Detroit is run by computerized robots . AMERICAN FARM LAND IS GROWING WEEDS , ..NOT CROPS . Our government burns forest so as stop more timber from burning …………..THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO STOPPING FOREST FIRES . Government says we are coming up to a global drought season , causing WORLD WIDE FOOD SHORTAGE …….THAT IS SO NOT TRUE . …HOW FAR YOU WANT TO GO WITH THIS . You need to stop watching / listening to M S M News , and look out your own front door . All the things you read / hear about , is intended to keep the sheep scared and frustrated . Mr. Obama has told the world press , HE DOES NOT NEED CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL FOR ANY EXECUTIVE SIGNATURE . …… BY THE WAY , I DID NOT VOTE FOR MISTER OBAMA , HE IS NOT MY PRESIDENT . World government put Mr. Obama before the welfare population , add the teachers union to it , now the NO LONGER ILLEGAL foriegners , who are TAKING MY SOCIAL SECURITY . ……………RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

      • Thomas Gunn

        I’m not 100% sure what Tim is triying to say here, regarding unemployment; but if I understand him; then I think he makes an excellent point. It’s my fervent belief; that unemployment in this country is high; because our political elite wants it to be (in spite of their propagandist rhetoric to the contrary).

        Keeping unemployment artificially high (by subverting and perverting the free market); is a means by which to control the labor market (Socialism). If you can’t control the labor market directly (as was done in the former Soviet Uniion), then the next best thing is to do it indirectly. Case-in-point; the recent proposal put forward to raise the minimum wate to $10 per hour (under the Socialist premise that it is a “living wage”). First of all, a “living wage” is relative…..depending upon where one lives, and by what standard. Americans have become accustomed to living beyond their means….regardless of which category of wealth they live in. Countless celebrity millionaires file for bankruptcy every year; while millions of people earning an average or even below average income LIVE WITHIN THEIR MEANS.

        Raising the minimum wage, WIILL NOT, in and of itself; increase the standard of living, provide for a “living wage”, or otherwise improve our economy as a whole…..on the contrary; doing so will eliminate more jobs; and the resultant inflation in the price of goods and services will render the additional buying power of those minimum wage earners “a wash”. They will be no better off, than they were before.

        Many workers are hired at minimum wage today; only to reveal to their employer that they aren’t worth even that much, in terms of productivity. Those workers who start at minimum wage and prove their ability to justify a higher income; quickly earn more than that, as any employer not only wants…..but NEEDS to retain its best workers.

        Entry level wages are not, were never, and SHOULD NEVER, be intended to proivde a “living wage”. That is not the purpose of an “entry level” wage. In a REAL free market, a worker must EARN their living wage; and that means ASPIRING to do better, ASPIRING to earn more, ASPIRING to thereore LEARN more job skills and better one’s self, out of self interest and the desire to improve one’s lot in life. We could increase the minimum wage to $18 an hour, as it is in Spain, and then watch while we too achieve a rate of unemployment approaching 40%.

        But I digress. Again, the “published” rate of US unemployment of 8.2% is first of all FALSE. The REAL rate is nearer to 18% – 22%, when accounting for all of those who have exhausted their unemployment benefits and remain out of work. This is not as it should be; if we were truly operating in a “free market” environment; but we are not. Onerous regulation (such as high minimum wages); the impending implementation of “Obamacare” (which will indefinitely shackle even small business employers to every new-hire they bring in… matter how incompetent or untrustworthy they may be); and all of the other small-business killing legislation that this administration has passed….is ENSURING, that unemployment remains high…….as such….this is how they (the government) want it.

        Make no mistake about it… high unemployment is not “an accident”, or an
        unintended consequence. It is a fully intentioned consequence, of the destructive socioeconomic policies of this corrupt administration.

        • T i m

          Let me add P. S. to your comment SIR GUNN. Paying a person entry level pay , has nothing to do with the person except a tax number on the check receipt . PART OF THE REASON , EMPLOYERS PAY THE ILLEGALS CASH ON PAYDAY . The only thing raising the minimum wage law to 1 0 . per hour will do , is give a person more money to spend at the cash register , FOR THE SALES TAX . …WHEN GOVERNMENT HINTS AT RAISING MINIMUM WAGE , AMERICAN DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE HAS ALREADY RAISED COST OF LIVING RATES . …………… THE CONSUMER DOES NOT GET MORE FOR THE MONEY , IT GOES TO SALES TAX ON THE RECEIPT , WHICH IS RECORDED BY THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT . ……………AMERICAN ECONOMY IS RIGHT WHERE GOVERNMENT WANTS IT TO BE . ..CONGRESSS WANTS TO KEEP THE PEOPLE DEPENDANT ON GOVERNMENT , SO AS , WE SHEEP WILL DO WHAT WE ARE TOLD , IF WE WANT OUR NEXT PAYCHECK . …………..THE WELFARE POPULATION WILL NOT ARGUE . ………….THERE IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY . …EVERY GOVERNOR IN EVERY STATE CAN CREATE JOBS , MONDAY MORNING . ….Mr. Obama is going to get credit for creating 1 0 0 0 ‘s of new jobs with legalizing the illegal immigrants , add the back door amnesty to it . The illegals work for minimum wage , and glad to get it . AMERICAN COST OF LIVING IS MUCH HIGHER THAN MEXICO’S . …….AMERICAN JOBS HAVE BEEN HERE ALL ALONG . ……….THERE IS A SIMPLE SULUTION TO AMERICAN ECONOMY …….ALL OF CONGRESS KNOWS THIS . ………RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT .

  • rambo111

    I have read all the post on here and I find I have totally wasted my time. What began as a perfectly civilized forum has wound up being a dog eat dog situation. All have gone from whether or not President Obama should be reelected to gay rights, to racism, and you name it. I know who I will vote for and I know where my beliefs are. Not one of you have given me any “food for thought.” I am really sorry I ventured onto this.

    • T i m

      My name is T i m . I am a 3 rd generation military veteran , and CHRISTIAN , white man . ……….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT ………………

  • Caesar Rules

    The very obvious is unfortunately non-existant to those who would not see. It’s tough to swallow your pride and say that you screwed-up by voting Obama into office and you do all you can to try and justify your actions to this day. Intelligence alone is not enough to see the future, you must open your eyes as well. Youngsters can’t see the liberties they have lost in the last few years and elders can be too complacent to care. I hope people in general will use their heads and minds in November and do what their conscience preaches.

    • T i m


    • Thomas Gunn

      Good Point Caesar: Unfortunately, what you write about here refers to individual character and morality. Most people, seem to be so egotistical; that they are more intent on “proving themselves as being right”; rather than seeking what is absolutely true. First, one has to acknowledge that absolute truth exists, and that it can be known. Our public school system and media (indoctrination and propaganda ministries respectively) have done a bone-up job of manipulating the population into believing there is no real truth; and that their self-esteem comes from being “part of the team” and their “groupthink” (think back on our indoctrination to high-school football).

      People in this country, and in particular on this blog (re – poor disillusioned Denise); have all been conditioned to “take sides”, to bow down to their own celebrity idol, and then cheerlead their chosen idol, or team, or whatever….all the way to oblivion…..truth be damned.

      The people on this blog, like the rest in America, who pound their chests defending Obama, or no less fooled than those who pound their chests defending Bush, or Romney…..they are all fools; because they have been indoctrinated by our corrupt system, to forget that their first obligation is TO THEMSELVES, and TO THEIR FAMILIES. I they had half a brain, they would realize, that what ALL of these corrupt career politicians are doing, is to create as much polarized dissent among the population as possible; in order to get as many people on “their team” as they can; so that they can be thrust into power, over both “teams”.

      Until people in this country open their minds, and become devoted to TRUTH, rather than “being right”, this circus will continue. And to Denise, if you truly want to know what the TRUTH is about our government, then you willl have to swallow a bit of your ego and stop trying to be “right”. Because sometimes, finding TRUTH, means you have to be willing to be proven WRONG. You will NEVER find the TRUTH, until you stop cheerleading for your celebrity idols (like Obama); and realize that THEY DON”T CARE ABOUT YOU, or YOUR FAMILY. THEY ARE OUT FOR THEMSELVES…..PERIOD.

      Obama, has NEVER hald a job in his life. He has gone from one institution to another. He used the system through affirmative action to attend the most expensive universities in the world, for free; and then went from there to other so-called “non-profit” institutions, from there to government. He has never had to work for a wage in his life. What makes you think that he knows anything, or even cares, about what the working middle class of this country has to go through just to earn an honest decent living….? The answer is, he doesn’t…..because he himself didn’t. He is a Charlaten, as is Romney, as was Bush. Your cheerleading for Obama, only reveals that you have allowed them to brainwash you into believing, that some of these politicians actuall have your interests at heart. THEY DO NOT. Let me repeat this Denise….. THEY DON”T CARE ABOUT YOU…..THEY NEVER DID…..THEY NEVER WILL. All they want you to do, is to keep fighting your neighbor, about whether which is better….Obama or Romeny…..while in fact…..NEITHER of them GIVES A CRAP ABOUT YOU AT ALL.

      The ONLY gvernment figures, who ever gave a s***t about the American people, were the men who wrote the Declaration of Independence, and the US Constitution; because they truly intended to leave a legacy of freedom, liberty, property rights, and happiness to the generations that were to follow. The government figures in power today; are NOTHING compared to those men…..our current administration, congress, and justice department is FULL of Fundamentally CORRUPT, SELF-Agrandizing, Narcissistic, SOCIOPATHS; and THEY DON”T GIVE A RAT’S A** about anyone but themselves.

  • P. “Lucky” Puckham

    GALT: Your story about the fate of some of the signers of the Declaration of Independence is rated as mostly false by Snopes, with near-facts layered with fabrications and actual facts twisted to suit the goal of the lies. .

    Not just Snopes, but Truth or Fiction, , prefaces it’s rebuttal with “First, none of the signers of the Declaration of Independence died in captivity. All but two, or possibly three, died natural deaths and the majority of them lived to advanced age and had adequate possessions if not wealth.”

    As near as I can tell, the origination of these fabrications came from who also attempt to show there is no term “separation of church and state” in the Constitution and are comically unsuccessful in defending Creationism over Evolution.

    As for the rest of your essays which, for my own resources I have validated some time ago, I agree with many of your assertions, but find too many of them, whether by your hand or that of those who mimic the original, unsupported and/or patched into other contexts.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    BHO losing in a landslide?? Let’s hope so!!!!!!!!! Esperemos que si !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • IzzyO

    From what I have read in your comments, I have come to the conclusion that you are all a bunch of ass holes. No brains. You are no more Americans than Osama Bin Ladin. You are destroying America with your stupidity. I will be dis-associating myself from this page. GOOD RIDDANCE!

  • Dennis

    Obama is worried about the election in November 2012 but I say to Obama he should be more worried about January 20, 2013 when the FBI, (Fat Boys Institute) Secret Service, I.C.E. and the U.S. Marshals Service will arrest him for unconstitutional fraud (TOO MANY TO LIST HERE), perjury (BORN KENYA), forgery (DRAFT CARD) and other high crimes. Imagine the look on Obama’s face when he is lying face down in the driveway and hand cuffed then led away to a federal lockup. PRICELESS. Then lets toss in Barry’s fat wife (HIPPO HIPS) to the mix and Axelrod, Rahm, Vann Jones & Valerie etc…
    (Note for the Secret Service)…I’ll pay $10,000 cash money if I can take the first pictures of Barry and HIPPO HIPS face down in the driveway wearing handcuffs behind their backs…..
    Oh what an eye full it would be…..And Sheriff Joe of Arizona would be the head arrester…

    • T i m

      Obama is above the law . Nothing will happen . Remember REAGAN and the C I A selling weapons to IRAN 3 0 years ago . He was given ALZTHEIMERS disease , HE COULD NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING . Oliver North became the fall guy . The welfare population voted for Obama . Welfare is bigger now , than it has ever been …………….RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT ………

  • bob camp

    Your tie is crooked. Anyone who can’t keep his tie straight has to be questionable.

  • James

    You lost me at Las Vegas.

  • Smitty

    The ultimate goal of Obama and his communist minions is to reduce world population to less than 500,000 people.
    Sebelius, Jarrett and Moochelle want to get there via birth control and abortion (The murder of little, defenseless babies in the womb); John Holdren wants to poison the water; Cass Sunstein wants to get there via regulation; Samantha Powers wants to get there via military-intervention; Rosa Brooks wants to gut our military: Carol Browner wants to close down our energy industries; David Axelrod wants us to become a Communist country; A.G. Holder arms the Mexican Drug Cartels so that they can kill at random; DOE head Chu pushes for $9.00 gasoline so we all can starve; Timmy the Tax cheat sends the IRS after all naysayers; Arnie Duncan has lowered the government school system to the bottom rung; DHS head Napolitano makes sure that all terrorists can cross our borders; DOL head Solis wants all companies to be unionized so that all manufacturing will move overseas and all family farms to be shut down; Bill Ayers wants to blow up the government as we know it. These are Obama’s associates that he looks to for guidance!
    Birth control medicine increases the potential of blood clots. Abortion doubles the chance of getting breast cancer later. So is this really about women’s health or is it a further attempt by these communists to whittle down the population?

  • Tony

    I will not vote for Obama because he is a liar, thief, manipulator, Muslim Extremist, opportunist, self righteous, narcissistic, Socialist, and stands for huge Government.He also does not enforce immigration, and other standing laws. He sidesteps the Constitution for his own gains, has put our Grandchildren in dept. He has embarrassed us in front of the world, reaches out to our enemies while ignoring our friends, he has created a corrupt Government, and a food stamp, and other entitlement dependent country. He is simply the worst President of all time and frankly, I still do not believe the man was born in the United States.!!!!!!

    • Liberty Lover

      Amen, Tony! The man is an embarrassing lesion on the history of the greatest country ever. He has a profound contempt for the America you and I love.

      • Denise

        President Obama is no more of a liar than scummy Rumney is, just what is a socialist???? Do you even know or are you just saying what you hear, what ashame. Get use to it, He will be re-elected.

    • Eric Jones

      Well Tony i will give you credit for giving a MOSTLEY correct description of our president however you did make ONE wildley inacuret claim. i ,ll give you a hint it starts with a s and ends with a ocialist. and by the way only someone who fears islam would fear a muslim leader.

  • rrr

    please consider carefully before voting obama. i applaude that he is the first minority president, and he conducts himself respectfully. but he is not qualified enough, and cannot provide the spark we need to get investment going. also, his moral stance should be considered. do we really want to promote same-sex marriages in our country? do we really want to be pro-choice? these are moral questions for which we will have to pay dearly.

  • Cee

    There is nothing “Christian” about taking away from the poor to give to the wealthy. Right now the Wal-Mart heirs hold more wealth than the poorest 30% of Americans, COMBINED. Mitt Romney wants to make THAT worse than it already is, and you support this? Jesus was APOLITICAL, but he definitely had no problem with TAXES, didn’t Jesus say to give to Ceasar what is Ceasar’s? I think he did. Also if you are SO anti-abortion why would you support a candidate who says that he is anti-abortion, but then again held 11% of the public stock of a company which HE KNEW was profiteering by disposing of the resultant fetuses from abortions? There is a real disconnect there. I will certainly vote for President Obama. There is nothing distinctive between the economic ideology of Bush and Romney. The LAST thing our Country needs is for BUSH to effectively get a third term. And YES, I am doing better with Obama, than I did with Bush. By the time Bush left I was in danger of losing my home. Thanks to a modification done by the lender, not by HAMP, btw, I was able to keep my home. Now I had tried to get them to work with my situation previously, to no avail. I am certain that if we’d had a Romney rather than an Obama, no modification would have happened.
    ITT: And what makes you imagine that Romney is qualified? He couldn’t even get two terms as a governor because he made a real mess of things here, he is NO “job creator” and his idea is to give MORE to the so-called “job creators” –well hello they have made RECORD HIGH PROFITS, where are all these jobs? Oh I see instead they take that TAX WELFARE and put it in overseas banks and their own pockets, yes that is working out well for the rest of us, NOT.

    • Cee

      Oh and I would add, that when those gas prices were going UP the right wing was right there to try to connect dots that don’t exist. Personally, I know the President of the United States, doesn’t get to control what is charged at the pumps. Apparently the GOP (Grand Obstructionist Party) is ignorant of that reality though. Fine, well if they want to BLAME him when the price went UP, they should NOW be full of praise for the great job the President has done bringing down the prices at the pump, lol.

      Some of you may be quite wealthy, I can understand your wanting to keep that for yourself and voting for Romney. The rest of you? It is just odd how illogical it is for ANY American to vote for policies that will inevitably leave them worse off than they are. I would never have voted for a third term for Bush (if it were possible) voting for Mittens, is the equivalent of doing that.

      • Charlie Mattingly

        I have first hand knowledge of brainwashing that can be injected onto a person. Ready this comments about how good Obama is shows true sign of brainwashing. If you people would only research the cost of the Obama presedency that will be shoved on to us if he wins, I’ll bet you all would change you minds about what is best for america.

  • Cee

    Oxymoron: Right-Wing Christian

  • http://Google Melanie

    I have been following the political ring for quite sometime now. What type of President doesn’t call out one of his own people in his administration, when there has been an injustice done towards another American? When will the truth ever come out in regards to the horrible “Fast and Furious” coverup? I believe a strong President should release any documents that Congress requests to get down to the heart of the matter, that is, unless he is afraid of his name being mentioned in those documents. I feel so sorry for the parents of the brave Border Patrol Agent that lost his life defending our country.

  • tyronejenkins

    not only do I hope Obama looses by a landslide but I hope the landslide lands on him and buries him for what he has done to our country. He should be deported along with the illegal aliens he loves so much.

  • Anon

    In 1913, a very powerful group of Foreign Bankers regained a foothold in Washington, D.C. that they had not had, since the days of Andrew Jackson. These Foreign Bankers, Rothschilds among them, are a Cartel of 8 Central Banking Families. The Rothschilds created the ZIONIST State of Israel in 1948, and what most Americans simply do not understand, is that 90% (or more) of the people who call themselves “Jews” today – are in NO WAY descended from Biblical-era Hebrews from ancient Palestine. Read Arthur Koestler’s book: THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE (which you may download for free, as a .pdf here:, as well as at least a couple of other places on the internet. Israel has WAY TOO MUCH INFLUENCE OVER American Foreign Policy and U.S. Presidential “Elections”. ZIONIST Christians in the U.S., are the most IGNORANT people, who play right into the Foreign Occupation of America, that has given us the Assassination of JFK, RFK, and the deaths of far too many other Americans, most notably U.S. Soldiers, fighting and dying for Israel. This is why Ron Paul’s push for a full “AUDIT (of) THE FED” is SO IMPORTANT, to expose the endless list of crimes committed by these Foreign-controlled TBTF Banks, who own the so-called ‘Fed’eral Reserve. Americans need to wake up, before these Foreign Bankers, who control Wall St. AND the District of Criminals completely trash our Constitution, and we have U.N. and foreign troops going door-to-door to confiscate our only means of protecting ourselves from Tyranny – our guns. Did you know that Foreign Central Bankers on Wall St. FUNDED THE BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION of 1917? Jacob Schiff, a Rothschild-agent (like the Rockefeller Family – also Rothschild-agents in the U.S.) handed Lev Bronstein (aka Trotsky) $20 MILLION, in 1917, before he boarded a ship, in N.Y. Harbor, bound for Russia, to foment the Bolshevik Revolution. Of course, in Germany, Lenin boarded a sealed train, and was secretly (stealthily) conducted into Russia, where both would carry out the plan of the Rothschilds, since at least the Treaty of Vienna (early 1800′s) – their plan was to despose the Romanovs and the Romanov Dynasty. We are dangerously close, now, to the plan they have for the U.S., Europe, and all “developed” Countries, which is to completely destroy the ‘Middle Classes’ – in the U.S. they seek to destroy the U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, and American Sovereignty – so that Americans, Europeans, etc. will become like everyone else in the Third World. Their plan is to now destroy Nation-States, the same way they destroyed Monarchies over the past couple of centuries, to usher in their ‘New World Order’. Let’s hope enough Americans wake up, before it is too late. Peace. And may God save the American people from the Communist Foreign Central Bankers.

  • Wisco

    Thomas Gunn, That was no doubt the best essay i have ever seen on these blogs. Anon, respect for you as well. To all the christians posting up your random bible theology realize this Jesus Christ shares almost every aspect about him with the Egyptian god Horus. Not only that they share the same attributes with many other deities or saviors from different religions. Don’t believe me look it up.

    • Thomas Gunn

      Thank You for our very kind comment. But which essay exactly are you referring to ? I have posted several on this blog.

    • Thomas Gunn

      oops, I meant Your kind comment, not our. sorry for the typo.

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  • Pastor Mark H. Wilkinson Sr.

    Time for a change. We hear it said many times a day. The problem is, people today do not know at what point to start the change. When I was child, I was taught the best way to get something done, was to begin. Many of us thought we were doing that 4 four years ago.

    Well we did begin over again with a man that told us he could fix America… And believe me, HE “FIXED” US GOOD! He told us that if we were not better off in four years, he would be a “One Term President” Well, with Our Lords help, let this be the one promise he keeps! We really do not need a person that deceives us without batting an eye, to lead us straight into Financial Hell.

    We are told that “Mitt is all about making money”. Well with the shape we are in, we NEED a person that is about making money! I have NEVER heard of anyone getting rich by spending money without a market test first. Obama does not care about the money he throws away, IT WAS NOT HIS MONEY! American Family’s spend what they have. We all know you can NOT rob Peter to pay Paul! America can NOT print up money, without a means of backing it up!

    Mitt was scorned by Obama because he made money… (Something Obama does not realize is needed, to REALLY make a business that CAN hire MORE people.) Obama can say so much, without saying anything!

    I ask all members of SalvationFirst Ministries to REALLY think before they vote this year. In the last election, many were guilted into voting for Obama. He played the race card on all Americans. He got votes because Oprah said he was the change to make. (She was wrong also, so we are in good company! (((smile))) As your Pastor, I am asking you to support the candidacies of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.

    We need men that are PROUD to say We live in a Christian Country, that allows others to also pray. Let us all be proud to to say we live in “The UNITED States of America”, and NOT “The SOCIALIST States of America” !

    © Pastor Mark Wilkinson

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  • Joe Cuplin

    If Obama’s mother made him a citizen of indonesian, why doesn’t someone look at the records in Indonesian and she what she put down for his citizenship before then?

  • http://msn charles agious

    before obama was elected president his total assets were approximately around $1,000
    ,000.00 and that included his house of which part of the property belonged to one of the racket bosses in chicago but when he became president it was given to him ! the latest release of assets in 2012 are $11,000,000.00 !!!! can someone explain how he accrued such an enormous amount in three and a half years ?

    • S. Rogers

      Charles Agious: ’cause this is Chicago… and all that implies.

  • vikingtwin5

    Hope nobody went to Vegas and bet the farm on Romney based on this hack’s prediction.


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