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Why Is Everyone Going Bankrupt?

January 2, 2012 by  

Why Is Everyone Going Bankrupt?

Gradualism tricks the mind. Gradualism removes the shock potential of events, no matter how serious the consequences.

If you saw a dead body on the street, you would be shocked and horrified. If you saw two more dead bodies the next day, you would still be shocked, but somewhat less so. Then, if you began to see new bodies every day, you would eventually pay no attention at all. Gradualism neutralizes the mind and numbs the senses to reality.

The U.S. economy has been in gradual collapse for several months, along with Europe’s and economies of most of the world.

In the United States, it is common knowledge that bankruptcies are widespread and occur daily. Almost 46 million people are now on food stamps. No telling how many really are, as government statistics are totally unreliable.

We are having a debt collapse that will continue until the slate is wiped clean and a new system is put in place. Hopefully, it will be gold-based.

How long will this debt collapse continue? No one knows, but it would already have happened if the United States didn’t have the exclusive ability to print fiat money and force it on the American people and the rest of the world. Nobody else can do this.

Even so, inflation (debasement) of fiat money eventually becomes deflation. With the printing presses wide open, there becomes a serious shortage of cash, like right now.  Nobody has enough cash money.

During the Weimar German inflation, the German government took over all newspaper presses in order to speed up production of fiat money. And of course, the money exchange value went to zero with piles of paper money in the streets.

Still, there are many variables that can determine how long a debt-based fiat currency can stay in a state of collapse until the end.

Zimbabwe was printing trillion-dollar notes at the end. The people and the system had to use foreign currencies to survive. But even so, it took 28 years from independence for the former colony of Rhodesia to become an economic basket case.

Of course, money debasement speeds up and becomes exponential in the last months of a regime’s existence. It is happening here in the United States, but gradualism is still a mental block and the people are not sufficiently alarmed to take survival action. This will change, I promise!

All dollar assets are evaporating. Only gold, silver, land and commodities appreciate when fiat money is collapsing.

Fiat money is the rot of our land; but politicians, bankers and government love it. They create it and perpetuate it as long as they can at all costs, because it is a wealth-transfer system to the government from the middle class.

Did you know that the fiat money creators can steal your assets just by printing money? Not one person in a million understands this, but all people should — even schoolchildren. This widespread knowledge would block the chicanery and ongoing fraud.

Don’t forget that bankers can magically make dollars exist in the form of entries in the accounts of borrowers or lenders. No wonder they can and have created “money” to infinity.

It is bad money creating bad debt. It always collapses because it self-destructs.

Seems to me we are awfully close to the last months. In the past three years, the U.S. public debt (printed money) exploded by $5 trillion.

The United States is 244 years old, and more than one-third of the national debt has been created in just the past three years. The dollar price of gold is telegraphing this message to anyone willing to listen.

There is no painless solution. In fact, there is no solution under the present system. Everyone is too greedy. But I believe that the individual person can survive reasonably well by owning a mix of silver and gold coins.

If your funds are limited, buy small coins for barter and, for goodness’ sake, keep them in your possession, not anywhere else.

Have non-perishable food and water stored along with organic garden seeds from www.seedsofchange.com. Be sure to store sea salt, the elixir of life.

You know all the commonsense things to do, like keeping your car in good shape and having some cash on hand. Those who can should get money out of the United States while it is still legal.

Exchange controls will come. The authorities always stop money from leaving the country, but they will always let money in. This means that funds in Switzerland or other countries can be returned to the United States.

And, no, a Swiss annuity does not have to be in the Swiss franc. It can be in other currencies as well. The Swiss deal in almost all currencies. The idea is to get money out of the U.S. dollar and out of the United States.

Now, what I have written, tens of thousands of people know, but only a precious few take action. No shock has to be triggered for alert people to take pre-emptive action. They act because of conviction from their reading and studying, and are not fooled by government propaganda.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    Part of the answer to your question is very simple, Bob. That is, we’re doing what we’re supposed to do via the Washington ‘leadership’ that’s in office when the proverbial stuff starts to hit the fan. OK, readers, it’s your turn to finish the rest of the answer.

    • Robert Smith

      One of the reasons that there are so many failures among the 99% is that all the money is going to the 1%.

      It’s that simple.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Who are the 1%, Robert?

        • JUKEBOX

          A lot of the 1% are sitting behind desks in the White House, Congress, and in many of the other imperial bureaucracies in DC, while falsely claiming they are ‘HELPING’ the 99%, and enriching themselves instead.

          • denniso

            Bob Livingston is,once again,pushing fear on people….why,for his personal gain or for the political gain of his fellow rightwingers? Is all just a push to regain power,the constant negativity and fear mongering on the economy?

            We were living in a bubble economy,unsustainable,and suffered a crash back to some semblance of ‘reality’. The crash stripped trillions of dollars from the economy and hurt the confidence of most people who were left w/ their jobs and lifestyle…so consummer spending fell,and it’s consummer spending that accounts for 2/3 of our economy. Then,for the past 3 yrs,in an obvious and blatant attempt soley aimed at just defeating obama,the rightwing has done all they can to spread fear and uncertainty rather than helping to get the economy to improve. Despite all that,the economy has improved for the past 2 yrs…job growth is up,unemployment is down,the stock market recovered most of it’s losses…yet,in a cynical and even traitorous way,the right continues to fight against an improving economy which is hampered by their resistance and negative diatribes and outright lying…about Obama,and the health of the economy.

            The vast majority of people still have jobs,and the wealthy still have their inordinate amount of wealth. I don’t imagine that Bob Livingston is suffering too badly,probably not at all.

          • DaveH

            More fabricated facts from Denniso.
            Consumers don’t cause recessions:
            http://mises.org/daily/3194

            The stock market “the stock market recovered most of it’s losses” says Denniso?
            On September 15, 2008, shortly before Obama was elected, the Dow Jones Industrials were at 11,388. That was down from a high of 14,093 less than a year earlier. As of today the Dow Jones Industrials are at 12,217, just 7% higher than in September of 2008, and still 13% lower than the peak in the early fall of 2007. But when you consider that the US dollar is now worth 30% less against the Canadian or the Australian dollars since Obama took office, the Dow Average looks pretty poor indeed.

          • DaveH

            These are the official Unemployment rates from the BLS:
            http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3

          • eddie47d

            So the stock market is 7% higher now but that isn’t considered an improvement? Now that is fuzzy math! Back during the “heydays” the markets were artificially inflated with ponzi schemes and market manipulations.Housing was overpriced and so was the Tech Industry.The Banksters and Creditor/Lenders made a killing in that false economy which brought the collaspe down on us. The markets today are probably more in tune to reality although there are still a few ups and downs. Slow and steady is more of a blessing than the wild swings of yesteryear’s.

          • JC

            Are you taking into account that with “Trillions” of new dollars in play our currency is generally more worthless than at any time since the 30′s? Saying that the stock market is “up” by 7% can not be taken as a literal barometer when everything in the stock market has been correspondingly devalued, and propped up only with “paper tickets”.
            One needs to look at the “big picture” to see the actual effects of fiat currency.

            “Government is the only agency which can take a valuable commodity like paper, slap ink on it and make it totally worthless”
            Ludwig Von Mises

          • DaveH

            Can you read at all, Eddie?
            If the dollar is worth 30% less, the Dow should be worth about 30% more just to break even.

          • George

            This country has enjoyed incredible grow. Let’s be honest, World War II brought in the electronic age. Bell labs with government funding developed the transistor to make our war planes lighter and the envy of the world. Over 40 years we pushed the technology, but kept the advancements very well controlled. This keeps ROI on advancements high and kept the US as the technology leader. It also resulted in the wealth being shared by all Americans. With the cold war and Russia trying to keep pace, they just could not compete technologically. Who in Europe was going to buy a lame fighter from Russia when we lead the world with advanced avionics, only China at the time and a few other third worlds that couldn’t afford to drive a Cadillac bought Migs. In the Carter era IBM and a few others were working on the thing you are reading this on, the PC (PS2 to be exact). Well Reagan and congress with pressure from Industrialist (Maybe campaign incentive) made the decision that the technology would be better in the industrialist hands. They would advance IC and the world would be great. Surprise, it was and they did and the technology growth was fast and furiously. I can remember processor speeds and hard drive spaces doubling yearly. We made more electronic BS than you could shake a stick at and people were buying it. They were eating it up in Europe, in Asia, everywhere.

            Anyhow, even they found the technology plateauing again. But rich investors were not going to sit back and take dismal dividends, they wanted growth. That growth came in the form of “job creators” taking the technology and moving it off shore and cutting research and development in the USA. Oh, with jobs too! Had to create job somewhere didn’t they. Fortunately, this opened the door for two more businesses that also had exponential growth, software and the internet. This prolonged our technology ride. But these too faced the same economic pitfall and say good bye USA, hello India!

            FYI! If you hear a politician or Talk show host say “job creator” that means they create jobs in China at your expense.

            Fortunately we had enough wealth to ride this for a while and keep buying the same crap, but cheaper from China. We also created some real lame businesses that could ride the wealth train for a while. Eventually supply and demand economics kicked in and wages, like we had seen in the Bush days started to stagnate and go flat. Compound that with some unscrupulous people in the loan/investment industry doing some very crappy stuff (Housing Bubble anyone). That ladies and Gentlemen was the pinnacle, the start of the fall. At that point companies withdraw to save funds by cutting the one expense they can afford to cut, jobs! Voila, you have the biggest drop next to the depression and those suckers that bought overpriced homes not realizing housing can have a down, lose their jobs too! You have huge bankruptcies!
            Well guess what, it turns out China people are working dirt cheap (like $350 per person cheap). But with all the new jobs, wages are rising and the industrialists are now getting phenomenal growth. 1.4million people of growth and they are now requesting more “Jobs”(Yep, Ours)! They are also buying more junk. So why invest in good old USA.
            The good news is eventually the wages differential will balance out. My guess and a few I’ve heard are 15-20 years. In part because wages are rising in China and in part because people here will be hungry and will eventually work for peanuts. I don’t mean that metaphorically. Case in point we have run Mexicans out of the country who picked our crops. People here tried to do those jobs but found they could only make $25 / day and returned to collecting cans, paper and plastic because it paid better. The growers are now moving south of the border where the pickers are living. More jobs lost and now money they did spend in the US is gone. The Tennessee Governor (Tea Partier – strict immigration laws immediately) tried to get prisoners to pick the crop for the growers, but they just destroyed it on the farmer so he was out the wages and the product. Now the American truck driver, American owned packing house, distribution places are all suffering.
            The funniest part of all this, America started the electronic and internet age with government backing from Americans tax monies. But those with good connection in government are still profiting immensely while the rest of America grovels.

          • tyrdofnnsns

            Who the heck is this guy deniseo, or whatever the guys name is? He is obviously suffering from a acute case of left! And the obvious symptoms are a brain that has been ‘left’ far behind, and also is known to leave people unable to see what is right before their eyes, thus the disease is called LEFT… Caution, stay far from anyone suffering from this disease! It is contagous!

        • Lastmanstanding

          Exactly my quest to Dave…Who Rob?

          Let me tell you who it is…You see there names in the media every day. They are every bank you see mentioned on every damn day of every week…they are gm,ge, solyndra, etc.

          Rob…they are republicans and democrats that are elected and paid off..Both parties could give a rats ass about you and I yet you live in the left/right paradigm like an idiot unable to see that neither side has the damn answer…WTFU!!!

          i don’t have time to give you an old fashion lesson in history but the left (I’ll refrain from using democrats) is worse than the right in the so called 1% that you so often mention…where do you think that bushes, clinton, carter, and barry get all of their orders and money…the same f%$^&*g place!!!

          Folks…it’s 2012 and you’d better do your research and vote for freedom and a constitutional govt…we will be in for the fight of our lives in the not so distant future…to hide is to die.

          “don’t go down without one helluva fight.” …or live in tyranny.

          • dean behrens

            Couldnt of said it better

          • Marten, Canadian Libertarian

            AMEN

          • Lela

            Just reading what lots of you people are sayin is the very reason we are going to lose everything we have worked and died for since we began as the greatest country in the world..!!..all your debating is not going to be worth a damn in the end…as we sit here at our computer bashing each other…soo much is happening the you idiots have no clue about…At this very moment they are working on REWRITING our CONSTITUTION..!!..Do any of you care about that..??..Mr. LIvingston I couldn’t agree with you more but I have 4 grown daughters and they think I’m “over reacting”..I’m so worried and it’s not one of those things you later say. I told you so….It’s scary, unbelievable, unreal…But, the cold hard facts are in front of us and all we say is..Not America…no way…..People please listen…YES WAY….You will all care when no ones gives a crap as the muslims will be raping our women (in the name of Allah)cutting off your daughter’s,wife’s,sister’s mother’s head in the street of our once great country of America..Thanks…
            Lela
            Woodbridge, VA

          • JC

            Lela?
            The majority of conservatives here realize that the Constitution has been relegated to the sidelines for a very long time now.
            Those would be the same people who are armed to the teeth.
            Nobody is going to be cutting off anybody’s head…

      • jimmy the greek

        You are right !

      • Ted Crawford

        If what you are doing isn’t working, do something else!

      • Joe

        No, it is not that simple, you’re just that stupid to believe that 99%, 1% crap.

      • Peter T Hawk

        As a Canadian watching you folks to our south it is like living upstairs from a meth lab wondering when the folks in charge will do the inevitable and take us all out. You have one hope and that is Ron Paul. All of us share an immediate threat and that is economic terrorism and that has already been sanctioned from within on all of us by Fed policy to the point where the banksters now run our economy and our lives and have run the situation into the ground. How’s all that hopey changy thing been working for yas.

        • Michael J.

          Peter T Hawk,
          Scary, yet accurate analogy. Rest assured that U.S. creditors around the globe share your uneasiness and have one hand on pulling the plug.
          Best watch your assets.

        • Buddy

          Ron Paul’s policies are a possible solution to the potential (financial and warfare) bomb “downstairs. But remember, secessions of US states is a good probability according to some of the political gurus. If you’re in Alberta or B.C., set a good example for US.

        • Sirian

          Hummm, isn’t this unusual, Peter T Hawk has showed up not only here but on two other articles – DHS Tracks Facebook & R.P.Forecasts Military Conflict. The peculiarity is that it appears that he has copied and pasted the same comment on all three. Wonder why? Has anyone else noticed this?

          • Peter T Hawk

            Yes I did post that comment in three places.Because it applies in all three cases. The beginning was the disconnect between gold and money under Nixon in 1971- Then the glass steagall act was repealed courtesy of Bill Clinton in 1999 and finally in 2004 fractional reserves went from 1 for 12 to 1 for 40. Nostradamus was not required to predict the outcome. The true terrorists are the banking elite and the Fed who have bankrupted the good ol USA.

          • JC

            Good answer Peter T Hawk.

        • Jagans

          Thank You Peter. I keep saying that Ron Paul is the only way that we can start to make sense again in this country. Obama was a well spoken disaster. General Motors should never have been bailed out. All that did was perpetuate an american giant that simply could no longer compete due to its own arrogance and greed. The writing has been on the wall since the 70′s, they just would not read it.

      • FreedomFighter

        The money power and control are not going to the 1%, it is going to the 1/100th percent that control the banking cartels that control the mega-world-wide corporations – or GLOBALIST ELITE

        You know, the evil Lucys that want to kill 90% of the population and bring in the New World Order.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • JUKEBOX

          Revelation does predict that the “EVIL” ones will kill off 75% of the world’s population.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jukebox, Agreed!, but are we in the middle of a true Bible Revelation, or a bunch of lunatics playing God and making it seem as though we are in Revelation, that’s the real question, and the REAL answer we who believe need to know?__Our time and Gods time are not the same, by any stretch of the imagination.

          • NC

            Is that from the same book that some of it’s greatest scholars have predicted from it’s language the end of the world thousands of times that NEVER happend? Who KNOWS what it means if anything??

          • FreedomFighter

            NC as crazy as this may sound to you:

            They the Globilsts whorship Lucifer and are working very hard to fullfill prophesy the way they see it. You can research it yourself.

            Be warned, it does not matter if you believe in god, are athiest, muslim or whatever, they believe in Lucifer the lightbringer and want to bring in the NWO for the anti-christ.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Angel Wannabe

            FFighter, Folks like NC, Flashy, Eddie, Clarence, Robert they know, they know whats going on and why, they’re pushing the elitest agenda while trying to push those still on the fence about what side they’re on,( which is why I don’t usually post back to them.) on to there side, its not left right amymore, were down to good vs evil__

          • moonbeam

            Actually, NC, we have been WARNED more than a thousand times that we are in the end of days. Make no mistake. No date has been revealed in the bible, but we have been explicitly warned the end is near. The signs are all around us. It hasn’t happened yet because the time has not yet come, but rest assured it is coming. Are you ready?

            Bible prophesy has always been and always will be 100% spot on.

          • vicki

            moonbeam writes:
            “No date has been revealed in the bible, but we have been explicitly warned the end is near.”

            No date has been revealed because the time is not that of the clock on the wall nor a count of the passing of days in a calendar. The time is when HIS creations have created the conditions that God chooses to intervene.

          • eddie47d

            Doesn’t Jesus have to return first and reign for one thousand years before God takes the world out(Armageddon). I heard that 2 weeks ago so I’m only stating an opinion. There also has to be a 7 year period where no women will bare a child then the Rapture will begin. We are not in any such period yet.

          • Flashy

            Angel…am I right in that you call us evil for taking the Far Right line of dogma and simplistic notions based upon fear and anger and relying on ignorance, and showing it what it is…a means by which Big Corporate America and the unscrupulous wealthy of gain enough support from the scared uneducated populace to exert and maintain the money siphoning, power growing control it has managed to garner in the past 30 years?

            And that to you makes us evil?

            Amazing …

          • Karolyn

            Also, eddie, the world cannot end as we know it until the word of God has been brought to ALL people. What of the tribes of people in the Amazon who have never seen a “white” man? What of the North Koreans who are so insulated they don’t have a clue as to what is in the outside world?

        • NC

          I TOLD EVERONE THAT ghw BUSH WOULD TRY TO PUSH THAT WORLD ORDER CRAP DOWN OUR THROATS. BEWARE THE skull!!!!

          • vicki

            Bush? BUSH? Didn’t he leave 2 or 3 years ago? I know that Obama likes to do the same things (times 10) but really, isn’t it time to give Obama credit for his work for the NWO?

      • grossyi

        Wow, you sure made it easy for us simpletons to understand. Before your brilliantly concise answer I thought people went bancrupt after spending more than they earned. I guess my living within my means is all for naught and that I should quit my job, start buying useless electronic gear on credit cards that have 20% interest rates. I appreciate the easy economics lesson. You make Hayek seem so long winded.

        • Jagans

          Thanks G, One of the statements my father used to use was “It aint the high cost of living that gets you, its the cost of living high”

          True yesterday, True today, True tomorrow

          What does upset me, however, is when a bank or financial institution jacks your well earned CC rate of 5 percent to 30 percent, and has no one to answer to for doing so. The problem with our government is that it always sticks its nose in where it is not wanted or needed, and never acts for the good of everyman.

    • DJ

      Bob has some very truthful information here. Spain has just raised taxes and enacted huge budget cuts, and this probably will not be enough to avoid the debt-cliff dive they are going to take, as I wrote about this in the following article. Will America end up like Spain. Yes if the Socialism-worship isn’t stopped immediately in America.

      http://conservativedailynews.com/2012/01/spain-tries-to-tax-its-way-out-of-the-current-depression/

      • NC

        DJ, I AM 76 YEARS OLD AND AS FAR AS I CAN REMEMBER THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN ACCUSED BY THE REPUBLICANS AND OTHERS OF BEING “SOCIALIST” WHO, IF ELECTED, WILL RUIN OUR COUNTRY. DURING THAT PERIOD AN ELECTED DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT HAS LEAD US TO VICTORY IN A WORLD WAR AND OUT THE OTHER SIDE AS THE NUMBER ONE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.SINCE THAT TIME 7 ‘SOCIALIST’ PRESIDENTS HAVE BEEN ELECTED AND WE ARE STILL THE NUMBER ONE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. WHEN ARE THE ‘SOCIALIST’DEMOCRATS GOING TO RUIN OUR COUNTRY??? REMEBER THAT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY BECAUSE SOME VERY INTELLIGENT ECONOMIST HAVE SAID WE WERE IN OUR SECOND WORST ECONOMY EVER EVEN BEFORE THE PRESENT DEMOCRAT TOOK OFFICE. MISES SAYS TRUE SOCIALISM ALWAYS FAILS. TAKE A LOOK AT “BULLS, BEARS, DONKEY AND ELEPHANTS” AND TELL ME WHERE THOSE FIGURES LINE UP WITH THE REPUBLCAN CLAIM THAT DEMOCRATS WILL RUIN THE AMERICAN SYSTEM????????????????????? REMEMBER THE ONLY THREE TIMES THE STOCK MARKETS HAVE ENDED IN THE RED AFTER AN ADMINISTRATION OF 4 YEARS OR MORE SINCE 1920 HAVE BEEN REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS… WHEN DO THEY HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT MISERABLE RECORD IN JUDGING THE DEMOCRATS???????

        • David Weber

          I take it you are a communist. Cloward and Piven huh? Saul Alinsky floats your boat? Don’t you worry. You will get to enjoy your “utopia” before you die if Obama succeeds in “collapsing the system”. You do know what “progressive” means don’t you? LOL.

          • NC

            I think it means that they do better than conservatives! SEE ADMINISTRATION ECONOMIC FIGURES OF LAST 12 PRESIDENTS>HIGHER PROFITS FROM THE STOCK MARKET AND HIGHER WAGES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS! IF YOU CAN FIND SOMETHING DIFFERENT PLEASE FORWARD IT TO ME! I’M WAITING!!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Mach Daniel

    The reason why everyone is going bankrupts is because of ignorance!

    • Ted Crawford

      And Fear!

    • Buddy

      No, Mach, it’s ignorance overlaid upon high time preference (eating the seed corn now rather than planting it and waiting to harvest)!

    • JC

      Ignorance? Maybe…
      Maybe it’s because people are so overburdened by a voracious bureacracy that demands regulatory compliance on so many levels that there is little or no time left to actually generate the wealth required to meet the demands of the Federal Reserve’s collection agency, the IRS. No money, no profit = no point in trying.

      • Jagans

        Absolutely correct. When there are no “Perks” left for those who are willing to gamble all they own on a dream, there is no reason to take the gamble. Permit for this, permit for that, tax on this tax on that. The IRS and the beurocratic agencies have it all figured out so that you can no longer even make a good days pay for a hard days work, so why try? The porch monkeys sit on the front steps of their government provided house, drink wine and laugh at you while you work. Move over, and pass the bottle. Lets see how long it all lasts.

    • Lynn

      That’s not true, my x raked me over the rocks.

    • Marten, Canadian Libertarian

      yES Mach Daniel, Ignorance is not bliss it’s death…

  • Angel Wannabe

    Bob, Great Article Bob!~ “We are having a debt collapse that will continue until the slate is wiped clean and a new system is put in place. Hopefully, it will be gold-based.”

    We are going to have a reset! Anyone who can’t or refuse’s to see the signs, either has been affected by Normalcy Bias or hoping the signs just go away, _they won’t_ not at least until after is all said and done.

    • Angel Wannabe

      BTW__Happy New Year Everyone!

      • Karolyn

        Happy New Year, Angel! I’ve always wanted to ask you why do you use underlines instead of dashes?

        • Angel Wannabe

          Karolyn, Habit! :)

          • Al Sieber

            Happy New to you all, we’ll be lucky if we have 5 months until the economy crashes.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Al S, Rumor has it that, they’ve been waiting til after the New Year, I guess we’ll see, won’t we….not sure anyone knows.

          • Al Sieber

            Well Angel, maybe it’s sooner then we think but first they need a war to distract us from what’s going on with the economy, maybe war with Iran Feb. or March? been working 24/7 to prepare for what’s coming.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Al, us too! :)

          • Ted Crawford

            Probably more like October Al. Closer to the election!

          • Old Henry

            Here is one more piece of the “puzzle” that has been put into place.

            http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/01/02/obama-signs-the-ndaa-goodbye-4th-amendment/

            Al, why do you think it will come so soon? I kind of figured it would all depend on how Little Barry was doing int he polls. If it looked bad he would collapse the system late Sept. / early Oct. If it looked good I felt he would wait until early 2013 to cement himself in place.

            And Happy New Year to y’al.

          • Al Sieber

            You’re probably right Ted, Syria’s next in line.

          • moonbeam

            Al Sieber, we are already in Iran. But shush, it’s supposed to be a big secret so don’t tell anybody. Obummer knows all about it though.

          • Lastmanstanding

            All…to Al’s comment (5 months) May in chicago is the big g8 or 20 summit…Image what the security will be like in that place with all of those elites in one place…anything can/could happen.

            Just something to think about.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Lastmanstanding, I’d say that’d be a great time to ’roundem’ all up! :)

    • Pat

      You are right we need to stop spening & stop rewarding peo9ple for bad behavior. If you can not afford house car etc you work until you can. Now the government is giving free cell phones???

      • Karen

        Those free cell phones are for “illegals”, not American citizens!!!!!!!!!!! Taxpayers are always paying for illegals!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Jenasus

          Americans can get free cell phones too. One more way the government can control you.

          • ChristyK

            Maybe they are giving away free cell phones because they need everyone to have a cell phone. How else will they be able to track the citizens?

  • Deerinwater

    “Gradualism tricks the mind.” I question which is the most effective, “gradualism” or “self-Prophetic”, but hand in hand they are winning combination.

  • mary ann amato

    How do we know what kinf of small coins to buy, Bob? Help.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear mary ann amato,

      Pre-1965 U.S. silver coins, also called junk silver. They will retain value because of their silver content and because they resemble the coins Americans are familiar with.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • http://NA Paul Hayward

        Right on Bob!! …learned numismatics (coin-collecting) while sitting on my grandfathers knee… All US coins above the nickel dated 1964 and before are silver. Many do not realize that the US Mint continued to put silver (apx. 35% silver content) in Kennedy half dollars until 1970, calling them “silver clad” – starting in ’71 they became “copper clad”, as the lower denomination coins had been since 1965. These “silver clad halfs” can occasionally still be found in circulation, and appear “white-ish” when viewed in a roll among the newer ones. For someone who has old jars of coins – also be aware that “war nickels” (the ones that bear a large “mint mark” over the dome of the Jefferson Memorial on the reverse side – printed from “41 to ’45) also contain some 35% silver, from when nickel was needed for the war effort. It is also worthy to note that pennies prior to 1982 are copper (newer ones are made of zinc) and as such, though lesser than silver, will retain value. Our copper clad coins are nearly worthless – the quarter contains (as compared to a real copper penny) about 1.75 cents ($00.0175) of copper and the half has about 3.5 cents worth – which I suppose makes it more valuable than paper money in the event of a monetary collapse.

    • Sirian

      Start keeping a close eye on the running price – spot price – of silver & gold. That alone will give you a bit of foreknowledge as to what direction things are heading. Bob was right, “junk silver”, very good to have on reserve as we could end up in a very strong “bartering” economy for a while. If you can afford it, bullion silver is also a good one to have. Gold – bullion or coin – has run up and out of many peoples range but that too would be a good one to get, if you can.

  • Joseph

    its not our fault its stupid people that vote democrat.thas all tosay

    • Angel Wannabe

      joeseph, the two party system has been used to keep us, the American people divided and pre-occupied, both sides are a part of an evil two headed coin.

      • Ted Crawford

        The terms Democrat and Republican hold no more actual meaning in todays society than do the terms Whig or Tory! The important terms today are Progressive and Conservative! Beware the former and keep a tight control on the latter!

    • Old Henry

      Joseph:

      Angel and Ted are right on the money. However, I would say a two-headed SNAKE rather than coin.

      Look at how many traitorous “Republicans” voted for the NDAA. Even supposed TEA Partyers turned traitor.

      • Think about it

        Yeah, Like that lowlife trash Marco Rubio.

    • Dallas

      WOW Joseph… that is an intelligent contribution. It would be nice to see more people realize the Republican / Democrat thing is all part of this mess. Half the populus hates (politically speaking) the other and visa versa…
      Perfect scenario for keeping all of them… (our corrupt government officials) in power and continuing the sweet deal for themselves…. divide and conquer. Until the people realize this we are powerless to stop it, and we will pay a dear price.

      • Sirian

        Isn’t it amazing Dallas that so many people can’t or don’t want to see that we’re all being played by both sides – Democrats & Republicans. If people would simply wake up . Oh, I get it, it’s to simple. . . :/

      • Think about it

        Strange how 310 million people are being distroyed by 535.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    You guys who voted for obummer how do you like your change now?

    • Robert Smith

      The “change” has been that the right wing has become even more entrenched and rigid.

      Sadly they are supporting the 1% and “trickle down” voodoo econoomics has had 30 years to be proven wrong.

      30 years and I’m being told I need to work harder because the 1% has all the money.

      Rob

      • Angel Wannabe

        Robert Smith, Hey bud we’ve moved from defending the right left paradigm, to battening down the hatches__ I realize your paid to stir the pot, but pehaps another career is in order__Move along now….

        • FreedomFighter

          Yes Angle, This one follows the playbook almost word for word, We can all just skip over his posts because its all been said already by the likes of Flashy, Eddie47 and the ilk like them.

          The one I find most annoying is clarence swinnery, that guy has a auto – cut and past system going where he picks sentences and the program strings them together and pasts them in. They usually make no sense and are jus simple data compilations. I call it Clarences BS shotgun.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Angel Wannabe

            Freedom fighter, Agree with all you said!_ I’m to the point that I’m so past this bickering of right and left, I get sick of it_ and why I’m not on here agruing about it all the time anymore, it just gets old!

          • Lastmanstanding

            it is quite entertaining…

          • eddie47d

            So true Angel but the attacks against the left continue unabated so few have given up the left/right paradigm. Now Freedom Fight wants to shut out my opinion yet in the article on Ron Paul he supports going to war against Iran. So you have those on this site who claim to be Libertarians yet take an opposite view of Ron Paul’s. Which to me means they are standing with the RINOS.

          • JeffH

            As usual eddie gets so wound up he can’t see straight. eddie, you twisted what Freedom Fighter said, which was to skip over those comments, not shut you up…it’s called freedom of choice…I suppose you believe everbody should be forced to read your jealous deleriums.

            FYI eddie, you champion the right/left pardigm.

        • Old Henry

          Angel:

          LOL! You certainly have a way of stating things…

          • Angel Wannabe

            Old Henry, well, I’ve never been accused of being timid, if the dog craped on the floor, then he did, no maybies, or blaming the cat for it! :)

          • JeffH

            OH, yepper! :) Angel

      • Falcon

        You are absolutely right Robert. But you will never convince a right winger as they are effectively brain dead when it comes to the failed “trickle down”, “voodoo economics” of their messiah Ronnie Raygun. They still think it will work although it has proven that it won’t every single time it has been tried. But, every time it has been tried, it has contributed to measurable declines in the financial power of the middle class while increasing that of the rich.

        “Trickle Down” has never created jobs since the associated tax giveaways to the rich have nothing to do with demand for products and services. Investors invest because they see profit potential, not because they got a tax windfall… and when they do see profit potential, they will invest no matter what their tax rate is. The 99%, not the 1%, drive the needed demand.

        I am not advocating simply taxing the rich to get us out of this though. In the short term a return to at least pre-2000 tax code is needed. That part is pretty simple. We have been creating debt since Bush IIs tax code took effect and before that we were paying down debt while projecting a $1T surplus over the next 10 years.

        For the long term we need stronger laws favoring workers, giving them more power to negotiate wages and benefits. This will increase demand of course because the 99%, the ones who drive demand, will have more to spend. When that happens you can bet the investors will step up. You can also bet they won’t step up before then.

        • Sirian

          I’m sorry, can’t help myself, you really do like $3 bills, don’t you Falcon?

          • Robert Smith

            Explain to us how trickle down econimics has made things better for the middle class.

            Rob

        • http://alaskawallofshame.com Disabled War Vet

          I might be an old codger who has experienced the economics of 13 presidents but from my viewpoint trickle down economics was responsible for the economic boon that Bill Clinton falsely takes credit for and squandered in the end.
          It takes gradual progress over years to improve the economy which can be destroyed quickly with just a few bad policies.
          Business owners will not all simeltaniously start hiring until cripiling government regulations and taxation are suddenly and greatly reduced.

          • NC

            I DON’T QUESTION THAT REAGAN HAD THE STRONGEST ECONOMY OF ANY REPUBLICAN BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR STATEMENT THAT HE CREATED THE BOOM THAT CLINTON TOOK CREDIT FOR AND LATER SQUANDERED. THE REASON IS THAT THERE WAS A PRESIDENT BETWEEN REAGAN AND CLINTON AND IF THERE WAS A BOOM BUSHI BLEW IT. THERE IS AN ARTICLE IN fORBES MAGAZINE FROM 2004 ENTITLED “PROSPERITY AND THE PRESIDENTS” THAT EVALUATED THE ADMINISTRATIONS OF THE 10 PRESIDENTS FROM TRUMAN THROUGH BUSH I ON THEIR NUMBERS IN 6 DIFFERENT ECONOMIC CATEGORIES. BUSH I RANKED DEAD LAST IN 4 OF THE 6 CATEGORIES AND DEAD LAST OVER ALL AMONG THE 10 PRESIDENTS.HE WAS LAST IN GDP,REAL DISPOSABLE PERSONAL INCOME. EMPLOMENT AND DEFICIT REDUCTION. FROM THAT IT WOULD APPEAR THAT MOST OF WHAT REAGAN HAD PRODUCED WAS SQUANDERED BY BUSH I BEFORE CLINTON BECAME PRESIDENT.

        • MNIce

          Falcon, you must have been sleeping the entire time from 1983 to 1991 – you missed out on one of the greatest economic expansions in US history, brought about in part by reducing the taxes on investment and the costs of some regulations. Perhaps you weren’t paying attention when Bill Clinton almost crashed the markets with his “new tax of the week” proposals in 1993-1994. Maybe you didn’t realize the important contributions the US House of Representatives made to the economy between 1995 and 1999, when they forced Bill Clinton to accept balanced budgets and welfare reform. (BTW, the Speaker of the House during that time was NOT a Democrat – I leave it as an exercise for you to figure out how that made a difference.). I did say “forced” – Bill Clinton did plenty of kicking, screaming, crying and whining until the laws actually worked, then he took credit for them.

          You also ignored the effects of the end of the Cold War (the so-called “peace dividend” on the one hand and the layoffs and restructuring of defense-related industries on the other), and the productivity revolution brought about by the personal computer and other applications of microprocessor technology.

          You seem to think everything that happens in the economy is the result of government actions. History shows that government attempts to drive the economy usually run it into the ditch sooner or later (Soviet Union, Great Britain pre-Thatcher, France, Greece and Italy multiple times), or cause a tremendous waste of resources and human suffering (Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Red China). Credit for the US “peace dividend” belongs as much to the people of Eastern Europe and Russia as anyone; they finally got up the nerve to tell their commissars to get lost. The microprocessor was developed by – surprise! – people working in capitalist enterprises using corporate money, not federal grants. Ditto for the light bulb, telephone, radio, television, automobile, and many other innovations we take for granted.

          Government generally impedes civilian innovation, either by taxing and regulating the profit out of it, or by diverting resources to its own ends, usually with a concomitant loss of efficiency. (For example, many small businesses that might otherwise expand are frozen at 19 employees by Obamacare’s punitive regulations for businesses with 20 or more workers.) There are two ways by which national economies grow: acquisition of resources via trade, exploration or conquest, or innovation leading to more efficient use of resources. The former is necessarily limited, especially if we do not produce something worth trading or are restricted from trading by government rules, are unwilling to mine and drill, and have proper moral concerns about seizing the property of other nations. Therefore innovation is all the more critical to our economy.

          A massive buildup of debt also impedes economic development, especially if the funds borrowed failed to produce an economic basis for repayment (mal-investment). This, unfortunately is the present case – the current administration has borrowed over five trillion dollars and has nothing to show for it. The money did not create new technology, as did the Apollo project. It did not build new, more cost-effective transportation systems; it only patched up some existing roads. What it did do is enable a lot of people to sit around idle longer (unemployment compensation) or engage in non-productive paperwork (government jobs) and otherwise purchase political favors. Even though it was for the most part wasted, it must be repaid with interest, and the only real source of repayment is the productive sector of the economy. That means resources must be diverted from business research, development and expansion to feed the inedible old pig in Washington.

          If this seems over your head, then please refrain from silly cracks about “voodoo economics” until you know what you are talking about.

          • Robert Smith

            It was Bush I who came up with the term.

            BTW, how’s things for the middle class these days? Trickel down hasn’t gotten down here yet, except for the wet part.

            Rob

      • JC

        Robert Smith says:
        January 2, 2012 at 8:35 am
        The “change” has been that the right wing has become even more entrenched and rigid.
        ____________________________________________________________
        Yeah, conservatives will do that in the face os a communist onslaught.
        No surprises there.

    • JUKEBOX

      The only good change I see today is what I find on the ground in parking lots. Other than this change, everything else is a change for the worse. In general, many people seem to be more hateful and more prone to tell a lie, when the truth would suffice. In our community, and in communities across the nation, I see a change toward more divisive racism on both sides. “BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS”.

      • Robert Smith

        Do you mean like that Canping guy who predicted the end of the world?

        Wasn’t he a christian?

        Rob

        • JC

          I was thinking more along the lines of the Kenyan fellow who promised some change from Government largesse…isn’t he a communist?

    • Old Henry

      sean:

      Sorry to say, but as stated here by someone “The only difference between Bush and Obama is Obama has bigger ears and a better tan.”

      And I don’t think Juan would have been any different. He was a big promoter of the Hitler-esque NDAA.

    • Sol of Texas

      Sean — As I recall, the choices were: Obama (not my choice because he is a progressive (i.e., liberal fascist), McCain ( a guy who thinks “limiting” the amount of money individuals expend on behalf of a candidate prior to elections will somehow produce better elected officials — also not my choice — spent WAY too much time inside the beltway) and a small number of third party candidates (my choice was “Libertarian” Bob Barr after a few hard swallows).

      Obama and the legislature(s) could not stay elected were it not for the government school conditioning and we (collective) lemmings.

      Everyone who has observed the approaching calamity has (some for decades) been trying to persuade relatives, friends, colleagues, even strangers to turn away from economic dependence on the federal government.

      I am not sure what else can be done short of preparing to weather the coming storm?

  • Elia

    Another reason why Americans go bankrupt is because the USA medical system + insurance costs are horrendous compared to those of other countries, hence one unexpected major catastrophic illness or accident can destroy you financially.

    • Robert Smith

      Yup. And for other countries their employers don’t have to pay for health care so their products are cheaper in America where employers do have to pay and pay and pay…

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Who pays for their health care, Robert? Santa Claus?

        • FreedomFighter

          All those countries are going belly up — bankrupt. Except Canada with its oil reserves is holding its own, oil runs out, they will go way of the rest.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • NC

            Thank goodness we have plenty of oil! Fuel is now our number 0ne export. 117 million gallons a day we EXPORT!!!! I see no reason to continue the 70 billion a year subsidy TO THE OIL COMPANIES! Try getting a BILL TO CUT THE SUBSIDY OUT OF COMMITTEE IN A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED HOUSE.

          • DaveH

            There should be NO subsidies to people or companies of people. It is not Government’s money to give, and their meddling just creates malinvestment leading to booms which are followed by busts. We need to get our Government out of the Marketplace. They are Politicians, not Investment gurus. It’s time that the people realize that.

      • Joe

        Wrong! In order for employees to be able to afford the taxes they have to pay to support the government healthcare, employers have to pay higher wages. In the UK the minimum wage is equal to $5/hour more than it is here so that low wage workers can still afford to pay the taxes for healthcare and support a family, so the employer ultimately DOES pay for the cost of healthcare by being made to pay higher wages.

        • Joe

          And what’s more, at least when the employer is paying directly for healthcare, they can choose many different plans to get what’s best for both the employee and the company. When government runs it, there is only one choice and one price. No competition.

    • Mike W.

      It’s also people not living within their means. As far as bankruptcies due to medical costs, the figure is around 20%. I know because I check these figures everyday with the U.S. Federal Bankruptcy Court here in Southwestern Ohio everyday. The asset to liability ratios will knock you dead, by the way!

    • DaveH

      Forty years ago, Health Care was very affordable. What do you suppose happened between then and now, Elia?

      For those who want to get a clue. Note that this article was written BEFORE the additional regulations that come with Obama Care:
      http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa527.pdf

      • Mike W.

        Dave, back in the 1950′s, you could pay for most of your health care needs out of pocket. I know because I lived through that era. Most insurance policies were relegated to major surgery, rehabilition, long term care, etc. I remember going to the occulist with my grandma and seeing her pay for the examination and eyeglasses in cash. No paperwork, claim forms, etc. Also, back then the physicians would work with their patients if there was a problem making payments.
        That all changed in the 1960′s. Government intervention, more items covered by insurance, technological advancements, innovative drugs, increased litigation, physician/nurse shortages,new facilty construction, malpractice premiums, etc. have all contributed to this mess. And yes the human factors, mismanagement, greed and the lack of personal responsibilty for own’s own health should be considered for good measure.

        • DaveH

          My wife had a Cesarean back in 1972 for $400 out the door. Even compensating for inflation, a person could come nowhere near that now.

          • Angel Wannabe

            DaveH, I remember those days when a Doctors visit was $10 and our Doctor even made house calls if you were too sick to come to the office, when I was a kid.

          • moonbeam

            Same here, Angel. The doctor came right to the house with his little black bag. No blood draws. Just good medicine and in a couple of days all was well. Remember Father John’s syrup? That stuff cured anything, plus some good old homemade Italian wine.

            My grandfather(when he was just a young boy) had his tonsils yanked while sitting in a chair! Cost a few dollars. LOL!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Ya know what moonbeam, ALL our ancestors lived to have us didn’t they?__So my way of thinking when TSHTF and this all goes south, those of us who prepared, will survive it too!

          • NC

            I HAD A HERNIA OPERATION SOME MONTHS AGO. IN AT 6 A.M. OUT BEFORE NOON SAME DAY. HOSPITAL BILL OVER $12,OOO.OO EXCLUDING SURGEONS FEE.
            HAD INSURANCE,THANKFULLY. SURE HOPE GOD WILL KEEP THOSE WHO CAN’T AFFORD INSURANCE FROM NEEDING MAJOR SURGERY SO THEY WON’T LOSE THEIR HOMES AND CAN CONTINUE TO FEED THEIR CHILDREN.YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO HELP THE LESS FORTUNATE. WAIT A MINUTE WE HAVE SOMTHING LIKE THAT! I FORGOT!”THEY” WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THAT PROGRAM. SORRY FELLOW THERE GOES YOUR HOUSE> THE HOMELESS SHELTER IS JUST DOWN THE STREET. PITY YOU WEREN’T BORN WEALTHY ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH THE SKY ROCKETING COST!!

          • http://deleted Claire

            DaveH–In 1960 when I had my daughter, it cost $98—a year and a half later when I had my son it was $150.

          • DaveH

            NC,
            The progressives and all their feel-good regulations have created this condition. Why do you think more government is going to cure the problem?

        • Walt

          My wife recently had a stroke (brain bleed) and was in intensive care for 9 days. The total hospital bill was $93,000. She had insurance, and the insurance company paid the hospital in full only $26,000, as their agreed contract. We paid the deductible plus the $800 for the 3 mile ambulance ride.

          With no insurance, the hospital would have demanded the entire $93,000 from us. Lots of angiograms, CT scans, rediculously priced medications, excessive visiting doctor and “consultants” charges, therapists, special equipment. It was a “Rainmaker” for the hospital.

          In actuallity, to me it seemed more like a feeding frenzy of sharks, frantically consuming a whale carcass.

          • Karolyn

            In actuality, anyone can negotiate with a hospital just like he insurance companies. It is also a fact that they have to take whatever kind of monthly payment you are able to make. An insurance salesman told me this years ago. A friend of mine had an operation a couple of years ago and had no insurance. He approached the hospital to discuss the bill, and they settled for about 10% of what the bill had originally been. He was amazed. However, had they persisted, they would probably not have gotten a whole lot anyway because he is only employed part time and has a very low income. I have had a surgeon give me a break after a minor procedure. People get too upset over numbers, which can always be changed.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Walt, One of my Mothers procedures was new in the 80′s, only performed on those with MS__she was in danger of a leg amputation, which at 70 pounds, would have never survived it, this procedure costs I believe was 361,000, blood dialysis. It bought her time and the leg and lived for another Ten years.
            __On another note__ during the Depression Era, when my Mother was in the Presbyterian Hospital In Philly, at the age of 11, WAS THERE for a solid year.
            Her doctor, a Dr. Beardwood broke both knees and casted them, and taught her how to walk again, after being frozen in a sitting position for 6 months.

            His services and the total hospital bill were nulled and voided. My Grandparents never had to pay a thing___ THAT IS_ the Grace & Mercy of God!

          • http://deleted Claire

            It is a feeding frenzy bewteen the doctors and the hospitals. My husband has been in the hospital 4 times since the end of October–Before that, numerous operations and the costs were unbelievable. Thank God we had sufficient insurance. My husband is still alive and for this I am grateful. My advice to people approaching old age, be damn sure you have a supplement. The hospitals here don’t cut anyone any favors. I have noticed one thing–my husband’s primary care physician is from India and she always refers my husband to Indian doctors. He has only one American doctor, one German doctor and the rest are Indian.

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “His services and the total hospital bill were nulled and voided. My Grandparents never had to pay a thing___ THAT IS_ the Grace & Mercy of God!”

            Or today for thousands of kids the Shriners’ Hospitals and Burn centers.

            You can check it out at: http://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/en/ReferAPatient.aspx

            Rob

      • Buddy

        Healthcare (which is medical care) has been essentially free for most USA citizens simply because other people paid though insurance premiums or by “medicare” and “medi-aid”. When something is free, people will grab it. Thus, demand has skyrocketed and in accord with supply and demand actions, costs have skyrocketed.

        • Walt

          Free healthcare? Other people paying for it?

          That’s good to know. I’m going to demand a rebate of all the premiums that I paid through my company insurance program and demand that my company return all the group healthcare premiums that they paid on my behalf, as part of my “benefit package”. LOL

    • JUKEBOX

      When Obama said “If you like what you have, you can keep it”, he neglected to add the caveat: “IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT”.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Elia, Been there did that!__My Mother was 24/7 care almost 15 years.
      I took care of here!___Our house was up on foreclosure list several times during that time, but ya know what, we’re still here to bitch about it and still in the smae house!___ I’m happy to say I never put my Mother in a home for someone else to care for, just because of money!__I’d do it again if needs be.__and on another note__ if you think by having all your ALL your ducks in a row in life is gonna save ya, well YOUR DEAD WRONG__ sometimes ya gotta roll with the punches!

  • HDMania

    Mary..as Bob stated when the money is no good you need to have gold or silver..for bartering and everyday things buy silver bags of dimes,quarters and maybe a few silver dollars..smaller demoninations are always good..pre 64 silver coins is what you want..

  • HDMania

    Forgot to mention..the dealers call it junk silver..

  • CHP

    Labor is the foundation of any country’s economy. We have spent 3 decades destroying the earning power (and consequently the consuming power) of American labor, so they can no longer afford to support a large prosperous middle class.

    • Robert Smith

      Yes CHP, it’s called “Trickle Down.”

      We are now finding out what is really trickling down.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        No, Robert, it’s called Big Government. Something which you Liberals want to grow even larger.
        In the 1950s, Government (all) spent 24% of our GDP. And things were just fine. Not as good as they could have been with even smaller government but certainly as good or better than now.
        Now, Big Government spends 40% of our GDP.

        • Ted Crawford

          Good post Dave. The alternative to trickle down prosperiety is trickle up poverty.
          The liberals even understood this. “A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profit and a balanced Federal Budget… Prosperity is the real way to balance our budget” John Kennedy
          They even understood the danger of the Government regulators. “You [should] not examine legislation in the light of the benifits it will convey if properly administrated, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause if improperlt administered” Lyndon Johnson
          Unfortunitly for the Nation the Democrat Party has been almost completely overtaken by the Progressive arm!

        • Mike W.

          Keep in mind that about half of that 24% was attributed to the Cold War. There was also no deficits on all levels of government and postage was only 3 cents! Inflation wasn’t even on the radar screen, too during most of the 1950′s. Gasoline was 20 cents a gallon throughout the entire decade and a 6 1/2 ounce bottle of Coca Cola was still a nickle, a price that actually was set back in the 1940′s.
          Those were the good ole days!

  • Michael J.

    Hello Bob, and thanks for the sumation of attrocities. Just thought I would add a few.

    I was, as you say shocked, when so many blind individuals were convinced to vote for this imposter. Hoodwinked by mass media cattle calls of “Hope and Change” while never even questioning what the phrase even meant. Pulling the lever on a rascal whose middle name was “Taboo” and un-mentionable.

    Well I hope they are satisfied with what they got in Barack Obama and his administration who have launched an unprecedented attack on capitalism, The Constitution and America’s freedoms.

    For starters, his unconstitutional atrocity of Obamacare needs to be defunded and destroyed. TSA intrusions have turned the country into a police-state. His FCC is working to destroy free speech in America. And now, the Internet is under attack by Hollywood and Senator Dick Durbin, who want to tax online activities and purchases, and enact crushing regulations on websites.

    Gas prices have soared under his administration because he has no energy plan, and he will not allow us to drill here in America. He has pushed amnesty for illegals and had his Department of Justice sue Arizona and Alabama for enforcing their illegal immigration laws while creating a new nationwide hotline for illegals to thwart the effects of such laws.

    His “Science Czar,” John Holdren, was found to be providing U.S. technology to China’s space program-and Obama is stonewalling the investigation. He is refusing a U.S. House subpoena relating to the Solyndra scandal. His Department of Justice is not cooperating with Rep. Issa’s efforts to get to the bottom of the “Fast and Furious” operation.

    Jobs are gone. The economy is sinking. Government spending is out of control. At every turn, Obama is spending and regulating this country into socialism. The administration that promised to be the “most transparent” has turned out to be the most corrupt.

    While most people now understand and agree that Obama is taking this country in the wrong direction (a bottomless abyss), they attribute the mess to inexperience and incompetence. When in fact, all is proceding as planned to the Rothschild mandate to be continued with their next POTUS installment of Romney or Gingrich.

    • Robert Smith

      Michael J. says: “For starters, his unconstitutional atrocity of Obamacare needs to be defunded and destroyed. ”

      Really… And for those of us who even with company health care are being wiped out by high prescription costs, high service costs, and some accented voice denying so many kinds of health care on the phone…

      Just what are we supposed to do? Die? That solves the problem of overpopulation nobody who advocates such can call themselves “pro―life.

      Rob

      • Angel Wannabe

        Robert,__I love you folks who play God!__All I can do is laugh out loud, God said “go and be let there be multitudes as the stars”

        You Libs have mananged to pick the part of Society who is the most vulnerable and the least who has the ability to fight back, which is a tiny baby relient on its Mother for survival until birth.
        When you think that tiny life is irrelevent or insignifigant, you agree to kill it through abortion__You’ve numbed and dumbed us down and we’ve allowed it, but not anymore!_

        Do you hear laughter Pharoah, there is humdreds and thousands of us laughing at you now?

        Say whatever you think, we know who’s in charge here and its not man kind!

        YOur rhertoric isn’t working anymore, so AGAIN, move along….

        • NC

          IT’S STRANGE THAT YOU MENTION A PHARAOH IN YOU TIRADE AGAINST LIBERALS FOR KILLING INNOCENT CHILDREN. GO TO YOUR BIBLE IN EXODUS AND SEE WHAT YOUR GOD DID TO INNCOCENT CHILDREN TO BRING HIS WRATH DOWN ON THE PHARAOH FOR NOT RELEASING THE JEWS! HE WENT DOOR TO DOOR KILLING THE FIRST BORN OF EVERY EGYPTIAN.
          WHY KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN JUST BECAUSE HE WAS PI$$ED AT THE KING?? WHAT DID THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THE PROBLEM?? AND BEING A GOD WHO COULD PART A SEA WHY DIDNN’T HE JUST MENTALLY TRANSPORT THEM OVER TO THE PROMISE LAND GOD WANTED TO DO IT THIS WAY SO CHARLTON HESTON WOULD HAVE A JOB.

          • Angel Wannabe

            NC, What God does/did is up to him!_-Its entirely up to you whether you wannabe believe it or not__Most times however atheists/agnostics are those who know the bible well, but are disgruntled egotists who don’t like what they’ve read!

      • DaveH

        No, Robert, don’t die. Instead, do some studying and start learning who the real bogey men are.
        Unless of course you are one of them. Given the fact that you’ve been hanging around here plenty long to have learned some reality, my bet is that you are one of them.

      • Michael J.

        Robert Smith,
        You’re wrong, I am pro-life, except when it comes to yours.
        Besides, when it comes to death, hasn’t your Wiccan philosophy found a way around it?

      • FreedomFighter

        What a filthy liar you are Mr Smith, change your sig to Wormtongue.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • JC

        The problems you describe Robert are a direct result of Corporate / Government Cronyism…and you think the solution is “more” Government?
        No sir, the solution is get the Government out of the Medical Biz and vice versa. Let the Medical companies “compete” for your dollar and punish any kind of price fixing with severe penalties.
        Mind you, this would require a system of actual Justice.
        We need one of those too.

        • Carlucci

          Maybe if everyone ignores “Robert Smith” he will go away. He is obviously a plant from the other side.

          • JC

            Actually I think “plants” have a higher IQ. ;)

          • Carlucci

            :)

          • Old Henry

            Hey there Carlucci:

            What kind of plant? Possibly a Blooming Idiot?

            (I hope your being here is not a bad sign and that you are on your lunch break.)

          • Carlucci

            Hello Old Henry – !

            No, I’m not on a lunch break. I was lucky enough to be off work today because our office was closed. Actually, I’ve had paid time off since last Thursday, and of course it went way too fast – ! Gotta go back tomorrow, but that’s okay because I like the job and my co-workers. Hope all is well with you and yours. Before I forget, my mom sent me this link – it is wonderful. Hope you and others on this list will enjoy it:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x91rBzNKvlc&NR=1

            RON PAUL 2012 – !!!

          • JeffH

            Carlucci, good to “see” your smiling :) face on here.

          • NC

            I AM SURE YOU WOULD LOVE FOR ROBERT SMITH TO GO AWAY! HE IS A TOUGH DEBATER AND KNOW HIS STUFF. WHY DO CONSERVATIVES DESPISE AND FEAR PEOPLE WHO QUESTION THEIR MOSS-BACK HIDE-BOUND 17TH CENTURY POSITIONS.
            I HAVE BEEN ON A NUMBER OF SITES AND I HAVE NEVER HAD ONE CONSEVATIVE -NOT ONE- TO FURNISH ANY FACTS OR FIGURES TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE BETTER AT MANAGING OUR FREE MARKET SOCIETY THAN THE DEMOCRATS. DO YOU HAVE ANY? THERE IS AN OLD SAYING THAT “THE STOCK MARKET LOVES THE DEMOCRATS”. THAT MIGHT BE A CLUE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME TROUBLE FINDING THOSE “FACTS AND FIGURES” TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM THAT DEMOCRATS RUIN THE ECONOMY.

          • Carlucci

            NC – I have no idea what you are talking about. “Robert Smith” a tough debater? You must be kidding. Obviously you are another plant, too. America is on the highway to hell, thanks to democrats and RINOs. Please spare us your half-baked bullsh**.

          • libertytrain

            Carlucci – no kidding. All he ever says is about acorns and how he hates Christians. I don’t see that as intellectual debate either…

          • JC

            NC says:

            January 2, 2012 at 7:41 pm

            I AM SURE YOU WOULD LOVE FOR ROBERT SMITH TO GO AWAY! HE IS A TOUGH DEBATER
            _____________________________________________________________
            I for one don’t want him to go away. He’s an idiot and he provides a perfect platform to refute idiotic Liberal thinking.
            I mean not having him here would be like going to the gun range and having no targets! ;)

        • Think about it

          Speaking of justice, did you guys here that Eric Holder wants the UN to over see our election now, yeah i know, None dare call it Treason, by the way thats a book you should look for.

      • MNIce

        Robert, you offer a false choice. The problem is we have too much health insurance, not too little. Let’s imagine we had “fast food insurance” policies, paid by our employers or government, to cover the price of our restaurant meals whenever we don’t have time to cook. How long do you think it would take for the price of hamburgers or fried chicken chunks to cost $50 per serving? That’s exactly what has happened in the medical business due to government interference. First, government pushed employer-based health insurance via illegal social engineering tax codes (by allowing a measly 1% deduction on your cost of keeping yourself healthy enough to work, while letting your employer deduct all of his cost if he bought your health insurance). Next, government told the poor people they didn’t have to worry how much it cost to have a doctor put band-aids on the children’s owies because the Medicaid money tree would pay for it all. Then the government promised that Medicare would remove the financial burden of caring for older relatives from families. Government payment for health care is a false promise, because the bills are simply repackaged as national debt and passed on to the children and grandchildren. Consequently, just like a $4 hamburger would go to $50 with government-promoted fast-food insurance, a $20 laceration stitch job now costs $900+ with government-promoted health insurance.

        Before the Federal government stuck its clumsy paws into the works, people would help out their poorer neighbors with catastrophic medical expenses, and care providers would do their best to accommodate those who could not pay the full cost. Hospitals and clinics were often rather plain and simply built for functionality, not like the almost gaudy facilities we see now. And prices were relatively quite a bit less than they are now.

        I propose the following reforms:
        1. Fair treatment under the tax code. Keeping yourself healthy enough to work is a legitimate cost of doing business, so medical expenses should be fully deductible from income for tax purposes.

        2. Open up the health insurance market. Allow people to purchase health insurance across state lines to avoid unreasonable coverage mandates that drive up costs. This will let people choose the amount of risk they want to accept, and give them an incentive to demand reasonable pricing.

        3. States should require open publication of pricing by hospitals and other health care providers. It is not right that patients can only find out how much something costs after they’ve bought it.

        4. There is a serious need for reform in health care provider regulation. For example, there are supposedly regulations against a patient bringing in his own medication to the hospital, but it costs as much as ten times more for the hospital to administer that same medication from its own pharmacy.

        5. People need to treat health care costs as if they are paying them personally. To do otherwise is to cheat whoever is footing the bill. This applies to prevention as well as to purchase of medical goods and services.

        6. We’ve heard a lot of complaints about the cost of pharmaceuticals and medical devices. TA huge share of the pricing is for the “FDA-approved” paperwork. I suggest we permit private competition to the FDA – let consumers look for private underwriter approval, just as we now have UL, CSA, or VDE approval for electrical equipment. If it works for keeping electrical equipment safe, why should it not work for medicine?

        No, Robert, it’s not a choice of government-mandated insurance or death. Get your head out of that tiny box, it makes you look illogical.

      • Think about it

        Under Obamacare thats just what you wil do is die, you will become an organ donor, its called a death panel, and yes it is part of the NWO’S plan to solve the problem of overpopulation.

      • JC

        Robert Smith says:
        January 2, 2012 at 8:42 am
        Michael J. says: “For starters, his unconstitutional atrocity of Obamacare needs to be defunded and destroyed. ”

        Really… And for those of us who even with company health care are being wiped out by high prescription costs, high service costs, and some accented voice denying so many kinds of health care on the phone…
        ___________________________________________________________
        Big Pharma: The single largest lobby in DC.
        Figure it out, the GOVERNMENT is entirely complicit in driving these costs through the roof. MORE GOVERNMNT is NOT the answer, Moron!

    • karel Eekels

      Agree and can relate to everything said here including comments made by other contributors.

      We are at the tipping point between democracy and tyranny. To sum this up, in the eyes of the US body politico “we the people” have become subjects and well on the way to become children of the proletariat, and finally some of the “we the people” are waking up and are tired and become aware of being bullied and lied to by these elite politicians in Washington D.C.

      Putting party affiliation on the way side, politicians and diapers have one thing in common, they need to be changed frequently, and this for the same reason, and this is our only and last chance for us to cast our ballot, come November 2012. Also, what needs to happen is that a massive assault needs to be put in place against the elite propagandist media. Good and responsible journalism has ceased to exist.

      Not difficult to understand is that fiscal responsible policies work, and that the train demolition Keynesian monetary policy path is nothing more than an illusion. By now, if it is not too late, we ought to be able to learn from the perils of a welfare state by looking at Greece, Italy and yes, several other European countries that are on the verge of collapse and speculate to be rescued by other nations and the IMF with phantom created monies that have no base or do not exist. (Printing new/fresh money, debasing currencies leads to deflation, inflation and finally hyperinflation) . Study the Austrian school of economics and people will come to a quick awakening. Unfortunately, our left wing socialist closet Keynesian politicians do not understand the meaning of discipline and so play lip service to the Austrian school of thinking and keep falling back and bring on line new artificial rescue packages.

      Earlier, Bob made mention and suggested for concerned US citizens to keep gold, silver or other currency denominations in a foreign country as a safeguard. Here is my question:- Responsible law abiding US citizens that follow the IRS tax code are subject to global income which means that we have to declare assets & holdings outside the US. What good does it do when these assets and/or proceeds thereof get taxed away anyhow?

    • NC

      MICHAEL J. WHY DO WE NEED TO DRILL ANYMORE TO ACCUMULTATE FUEL TO EFFECT GAS PRICES? FUEL IS NOW THE NUMBER ONE EXPORTED ITEM IN THE USA. THE OIL COMPANIES ARE EXPORTING 117 MILLION GALLONS OF GASOLINE, DIESEL AND JET FUEL A DAY FROM THIS COUNTRY TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES.DON’T WE SUBSIDIZE THEM TO PRODUCE AFFORABLE FUEL FOR THIS COUNTRY. I’M SURE ALL WE NEED TO DO IS NOTIFY THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED HOUSE TO PASS A BILL TO END THOSE SUBSIDIES AND THEY WILL JUMP RIGHT ON IT! YEAH, RIGHT!!NEVER MAKE IT OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED COMMITTEE>

      • Sirian

        Hummm, didn’t you say this before NC? Or am I just seeing double? Need I answer?

        • NC

          THE FIRST THING THEY TAUGHT ME IN THE MARINE CORP WAS THAT THERE IS ALWAYS 10% THAT NEVER GETS THE WORD SO I REPEAT MYSELF ON OCCASION ESPECIALLY WHEN ADRESSING CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE SO DEEP INTO DENIAL THAT THINGS TEND TO GO RIGHT OVER THEIR HEAD>LIKE WHO REALLY WRECKED THE ECONOMY AND JUST HOW BAD IT WAS WHEN OBAMA TOOK OFFICE>’ I BELIEVE I DIRECTED THIS TO MICHAEL J BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD OTHER THAN COUNTING TO TWO FEEL FREE TO ADD YOU COMMENT ON THE REAL ISSUE. DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPLY A SUBSIDY TO HELP US HAVE AFFORDABLE FUEL TO COMPANIES THAT EXPORTS FUEL?

      • MNIce

        NC, we import crude oil, refine it and export some of the products. We also export crude oil from Alaska to Japan because our left coast regulators won’t allow refineries to be built there, and the financial and environmental costs of running it all the way around to Texas are prohibitive. Meanwhile, we don’t produce enough oil in the United States to satisfy our own demand, let alone that of our foreign refinery product customers, so we import from Canada, Venezuela, Brazil, the British North Atlantic fields, the Middle East, and who knows where else.

        If it doesn’t make sense to you to be exporting oil and importing it at the same time simply because of government regulations, then there is hope for you yet.

  • guest

    The corruption in our country is everywhere..from the D.E.A. to the FDA to big banks and corporation’s to pharmceutical companies and the White house. I have alway’s been a republican until bush was president.I thought i would vote anyone other than obama but looking at those republican candidates..my heart is in my throat.everyone of them seems inept and silly. I feel Romney is being ‘groomed’ by the ‘ruling elites’.Obamacare was patterned after romneycare and is an atrocity. That man gives me the willies as he will say anything to get elected just as obama.

    • DaveH

      For Individual Liberty, Free Markets, Personal Responsibility, Limited Government, and Peace, Vote Libertarian!
      http://libertarianparty.org/

  • Dagger

    The system is broken and a broken system cannot repair itself.
    However, there is a new system coming that is NOT based on GREED.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Dagger_ :)

    • DaveH

      Do you mean like Socialism, The system which people Greedy for other peoples’ money have promoted for more than a hundred years and has yet to produce anything but Poverty?

    • JC

      I this new system has as part of its design the abilty to steal from people what is rightfully theirs, then it will be a system of immorality and corruption. Some call it Socialism.

    • MNIce

      Yes, but the world will literally end right before that happens. No kidding, a one-time event with 100% probability.

  • Nicholas Miscusi

    Ron Paul 2012!

  • Don Sr.

    anyone who has read my opinions before knows what my views are based on. Again, here we see greed at it’s best. Nothing on this entire earth is a lasting thing….not even the earth itself. You will never convince a greedy person that there’s anything wrong with their thinking. The greed has their mind entrapped. And this is not a new story either. Seek first the kingdom of God and all else will be taken care of. The leaders have not sought out God, but rather have been tricked by all the world has to offer…a world that will not last. Even now with time left to go to the Father they will not. By now they are seated on their stools of importance. In the end they will cry and beg to be recognized and yet not even their own greedy cohorts will give them the time of day. Too many dogs at the feeding bowl so to speak. Even the gold that we are advised to hoard will perish.7777777777777.

    • home boy

      you say nothing on this earth is a lasting thing. since you talk about god i assume you read the bible. have you ever considered what you say when you say the our father prayer? the part where you say thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. do you really think that god will let the earth be totally destroyed? he promised noah he would never destroy the earth again. we live in a world controlled by satan ( 1john 5;19) so why would you expect things to get better. people today talk with no confidence in god at all. they leave everthing up to man to solve and he can’t, he is not perfect. you are correct about the greed but that’s satan’s doing not god’s. keep the faith better times are coming with jesus as your leader . but first we will go through a great tribulation that will make ww1 and ww2 look like a walk in the park.

      • Angel Wannabe

        home boy, God promised to never again destroy the earth by a bibilical proportioned flood, thats all he said. Don’t or add ot retract.

        Genesis 9-11

        “I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”

        The rainbow is the sign of the covenant.

        • home boy

          read 2peter 3; 5-7

      • moonbeam

        God didn’t say he would never again destroy the earth. He said he wouldn’t destroy it with another flood. THIS time will be by FIRE!

    • Think about it

      To Don Sr., Home boy, Angel, Moonbeam.
      You are all correct in what you are saying, But there is only one thing trying to distroy Gods creation and thats Lucifer and his globilist war pigs (politicans), you see the globilist war pigs are doing his bidding with the belief that they will have the earth all to there self win its all over, Lucifer on the other hand knows the real outcome, and thats that God will never let his creation be distroyed, so Lucifer is trying to kill and distroy all he can before Jesus returns
      As the song say.

      Generals gathered in their masses
      Just like witches at black masses
      Evil minds that plot destruction
      Sorcerers of death’s construction
      In the fields the bodies burning
      As the war machine keeps turning
      Death and hatred to mankind
      Poisoning their brainwashed minds
      Oh lord yeah!

      Politicians hide themselves away
      They only started the war
      Why should they go out to fight?
      They leave that role to the poor

      Time will tell on their power minds
      Making war just for fun
      Treating people just like pawns in chess
      Wait ’til their judgement day comes
      Yeah!

      Now in darkness world stops turning
      Ashes where the bodies burning
      No more war pigs have the power
      Hand of God has struck the hour
      Day of judgement, God is calling
      On their knees the war pig’s crawling
      Begging mercy for their sins
      Satan laughing spreads his wings
      Oh lord yeah!

  • Pete

    Bob not to worry , the average American voter is more interested in the up coming Super Bowl and all the fatty snacks he has lined up, the Kardashian’s , dancing with the stars and other such nonsense.
    When the economy finally caves in they will be too stupid to realize what has happened.
    Why worry? I say FU** EM , and just carry on with our own lives. I will do well no matter what happens , and after all why try to teach a pig to sing, as it only wastes your time and annoys the pig. LOL

    • Carlucci

      You got it. All the rest of us can do what Bob Livingston’s article says; plus keep calm and carry on.

    • Sirian

      Poor pig, poor pig, you’re being so cruel to that poor pig. . . LOL!!! LOL!!!

    • Think about it

      I know what your sayin Pete, when i’m driving down the road or in the store i’m looking at people wondering if there awake, i talk to people about things like FEMA camps or this new law NDAA and some of them look at me like i’m crazy, and some know whats going on, i don’t know what to do anymore, it makes my heart hurt to think of people and little children being rounded up and put into FEMA camps when Obama claims Martial Law, and he will before this year out gone.

  • skyraider 6

    It costs an average Virginian $4000.00 a year for gas for their cars, up $800.00 from last year, Anybody care? mr obummer.

  • Glen Xx

    If the US treasury has the power to print and coin $$$ why is there

    a national Debt?

    Ron Paul is right “end the fed ” i.e. end the Fraudulent Resv Bk.

    • Buddy

      The national debt is a control mechanism. And you’re the controlee!

      • Sirian

        Exactly Buddy, exactly!!! And they can’t see it.

  • Flashy

    Let’s do a wee bit of examination. 1980. I believe our budget was running 60 Billion or so in the red. In comes Reagan. We give the wealthy and elite tax breaks. boom. Deficit skyrockets, jobs plummet, investment plummets, two recessions (non-oil caused btw) and the two wage earning family become a necessity rather than a choice.

    Oh…but we are told that’s good. because we “grew’ as the wealthy and Big Corporations cashed in. uh huh … and trickle down meant the working class and middle class were pee’d on.

    So we struggle through, BushI has to attack the reagan mess..then Clinton. taxes are stabilized, the wealthy get hit a little, corporations get a few breaks taken away, we stay out of any expensive wars for the elite…voila!

    Then we are told it’s not good enough. So we give the wealthy more tax breaks, two expensive wars to enrich them on top of that, shred any oversight of the markets, deregulate the very markets we shred the oversight of (oversight being different than Dereg. in essence, we pulled the cops off). Boom….deficits skyrocket, wealthy cash in, middle class and working class are left holding the bag.

    During this time…wages went up a smidgeon. Income for the wealthy and big Corporations skyrocketed.

    Have they reinvested? kinda…overseas. We even are paying 30% of the cost to ship away our jobs! meanwhile…their banking the cash, not moving it, not building new plants or modernizing, raped the system, and demanding more.

    Mind you, we have the lowest tax rates on the wealthy since the 20′s. Our corporations are amongst the lowst taxed in the world (real taxes guys…not the “before deductions and write offs and subsidies’ tax rates.)

    So every step we took that the Right and the elite said would
    ‘fix” the problem, worked in a way. The “fix” was in all right, and they didnt even throw us vaseline to ease the pain. heck..we’re screaming about the price of heating oil and fuel and FUEL IS OUR LARGEST EXPORT.

    And the cowering suporters of the Right wing allow the nationalization of our schools, our freedoms and liberties restricted and monitored, our taxes to go up, and our government to go to the highest bidder. What is their answer as this administration is trying to fix what the GOP and the Right screwed us on? Why….they fight against the very policies and programs which are attempting to give them back what they gave away! Unbelievable…yet true.

    Try this. Go back to the tax rates during the Clinton years. Cut the subsidies paying to ship our jobs overseas. Jail the real criminals in the illegal worker issue…those who employ the poor guy who is just here looking for a job. bring back glass Steagal and increase the number of folks policing the securities markets. Cut oil subsidies and subsidize new energy industries.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Flashy_____Yawn……

      • Flashy

        I know Angel. So easy to fix, stated so many times, and [roven throughout history time and again. And yet, y’all are opposed to any fiscal reasoning and want to keep driving towards the cliff. Why is that?

        • Angel Wannabe

          Flashy, the fallen state of our society has been created for us and we’ve allowed it to happen.Several things have take place and put in place to cause it__

          Society has been numbed by being exposed continually by an upsurge of evil, constant battering by movies of Armageddon, slaughtering, murders, we’ve told over and over again abortion is “Ok”,we’ve been lead to believe that the money taken from us in taxes are for the poor and needed to run the country,(why then is there a money problem with printing press which can print money to the infinite?)_ when in essence our tax dollars, go to help fill the pockets of the elites who claim to run the world._-The corruption of Washington is so severe that a collapse, and a total renewal of the system, is the only thing that’s going to save it.__We are slaves buddy, nothing but slaves, this was all by design.__We can argue left right paradigm all ya want__but I am so past that its not even funny!

          • Sirian

            I’m in total agreement with you Angel W., Flashy and his ilk rate at least a . . . yawn.

          • Think about it

            I’m with you on that, its not left/right its the whole 535.

    • DaveH

      As usual, no references to back up your numerous fabricated facts, Flashman.
      Why stop at the 80s? Why not go back to the beginning of the 1900s when Government at all levels spent only 7% of our GDP, rather than the 40% it now spends?
      Government spending history from 1900 as a percentage of GDP:
      http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/past_spending

    • MNIce

      Actually, Flash-in-the-Pan, our corporate taxes are the second-highest in the world, and we rank #72 on taxes overall (meaning 71 other countries have an easier tax system). That’s two points worse than we were last year. http://doingbusiness.org

  • http://norman@cates-family.com Norman F.

    The much maligned TEA Party is trying to remove all the Senators and Representatives who have been in Congress too long. A Congress that knows and understands its duties and responsibilities can stop this slide. Those long serving men and women have changed the Constitutional set up from one where they make the laws, and the President enforces them, into one where the President sets the agenda and they vote as he desires. Until we can get the most senior of them out of office it will continue on this downward slide.

    As for the current candidates for President, don’t vote for the leading persons. Instead listen to the “back of the pack” and vote for one of them. Personally, when it comes to Florida, I’ll go for Perry or Bachmann.

    PS: Does anyone know why my posts always get deleted?

    • Think about it

      I don’t understand, you say we need to clean up the place, and then say you want Perry and Bachmann ???, in order to clean up the place they need to go to, sorry, i’ll bet you still like Marco Rubio to, even after he voted yes on NDAA.

  • http://Boblivingston Gottaplenty

    We hope that it don’t happen but I am old enough to remember FDR and confiscating all the gold, making it unlawful to own gold bullion coins etc. Im shure this rat in chief hasn’t overlooked that ,as he is one of the greatest POTUS that ever lived…

  • Chris

    Bob, you finally hit the nail on the head. “Gradualism tricks the mind. Gradualism removes the shock potential of events, no matter how serious the consequences.” This single statement clearly explains American citizen’s complacency of the past 100 years. The marxists have fully expected to rule the world since their inception. America has always been their single obstacle to that end. Wilson was our first obvious progressive-marxist in America’s government. BTW, progressive means “developing gradually over a period of time.” No one in the universe understands “gradualism” better than progressive-marxists. They knew they could not destroy America quickly as by war. So they infiltrated our government (democrats at first, both parties eventually) and have “gradually” changed America into a socialist country. Socialism is the middle step between the destruction of capitalism and the end game of all out communism. It has all been so gradual that the American people were unaware of what was happening to both our government and educational system. They are close to the last act. None of the republican candidates would be able to turn things around at this late date even if they genuinely wanted to. When all is said and done, it is simply a matter of history repeating itself. Obviously, humankind NEVER learns. America was the greatest country to date but there have been other great countries (e.g., Ancient Greece) over the centuries. They too are long gone. Good cannot prevail in governments where overwhelming greed for money and power are allowed to go unchecked.

    • http://www.popham08.com Popham

      Thanks Chris.
      Very accurate statements.
      May God help this once great nation.

    • eddie47d

      Greek or Roman history is a poor example of capitalism and doing it their way. They both achieved wealth and status by attacking other nations and “taking other peoples money”. They barely survived on their own and killed thousands to gain personal status.

  • http://www.popham08.com Popham

    Indeed, the only solution to the U.S. debt crisis and that of
    European nations and banks will be total, mutual repudiation of
    all debt. There seems no other way, for as Europe persists in kicking
    the perverbial can down the road, eventually the can will become
    just too heavy to kick, and all the Federal Reserve bailouts such
    as we witnessed on Nov. 28th, 2011 will not save the Euro or help
    us either.
    Any economist worth his/her degree would tell you that we are on the
    cusp of global financial collapse. And it has been brought on by
    lackidasical immigration policy, inveterate political correctness
    and overwhelming socialistic government policy-making.
    Good luck, everyone.

  • Jenasus

    On or before March 1st 2012 the banks wiil close. The euro and the dollar will crash at the same time. Looting and chaos will lead to martial law being imposed to confiscate weapons.

    Than we will be taken to concentration camps to be implanted with a computer chip that will make infertile to control world population.

    We the people will lose all of our rights of freedom as citizens and become subjects in the New World Order.

    Welcome to 2012 the “Age of Enslavement”

    • NC

      JENASUS, I’M IN REALTY AND I’LL BE GLAD TO PAY YOU 10% OF THE VALUE OF YOUR HOUSE AND TAKE MY CHANCES THAT IT ALL AIN’T GOING TO COME CRASHING DOWN ON MARCH 1 2012. I’LL ALSO BET YOU THE OTHER 90% THAT WE WILL HAVE A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE COME JAN. 2013 AND THAT IT WON’T BE RON PAUL.HOW DO I MAKE OUT THE CHECK FOR YOUR HOUSE??

      • Jenasus

        NC Your cash ain’t nothin but trash. It is worthless. It does not even burn good and the bills are to small to wipe my a$$ with to flush down the toilet.

      • eddie47d

        There must be 20 different predictions that the world will end or the USA will collaspe in 2012. Are you all one in the same? We heard the same in 2010 that 2011 would be the end. Didn’t happen! Wolf! Wolf!

  • RG

    Michale J,
    Don’t forget that Bush started this. H Paulson should be in prison for his part. At this point in time there is only one political party. Both parties have been bought off by the elites. They just go about destroying the middle class in different ways on the way to one world government. Ron Paul has it right but I think it is too far gone for even him to save our corrupt system. I fear for his life if he is elected. Look what they did to JFK when he tried to go against the banking elites.

    • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

      RG that had crossed my mined too, but was not going to mention it to give anyone any ideas.

      • Michael J.

        GILLYSROOMS,
        Too late, ideas, like farts, are hard to put back after they’ve been emitted from an orifice. As a recovering republican I can atest to the former foulness of the likes of Hank Paulson and his coherts. I no longer perceive a discernable difference between the R’s and the D’s.

        BTW, I ran into an Auzzie recently who in typical fashion introduced himself by saying “Gooday Mate, the name’s Mic, Australian Fire Fighter”.
        He then asked me a question: “Bet you don-know how we put out fires down-unda?”
        Too which, my belated reply was… UH… Preperation H?

    • DaveH

      They aren’t that ignorant, RG. Ron Paul doesn’t have that many years left, and everybody would know why he was assassinated. So, the assassins would turn him into the thing most feared by Leaders — Martyrdom.
      The PTBs are too small in numbers to exist other than under a veil of Public Ignorance. The last thing they want to do is awaken that public.

    • Chris

      It did NOT start with Bush. It started with Wilson.

      • JC

        Not to argue…but I think it was Alexander Hamilton who opened the door for these criminal Banksters.

    • George

      Sorry Mike. This stared with the New Deal and Roosevelt. Then for a more current issue. The fair housing act by Clinton and Barney Frank/Chris Dodd. All Dems. Bush just carried on what they did. Then Obama kicked it inot Hyperdrive. Blame Bush and you will be missing the whole story and facts. My advice, stop blaming and start working on saving money and things you will really need. (not Rambo stuff, lol). This mess will continue and it will take its course. Good luck and think logicly about what you really should be doing to come out of this as a sain whole person. Again, Good Luck

  • Jenasus

    We the people will not be able to vote in 2012

  • Marine Dad

    Lets not get caught up in all this gloom n doom,its our job to do the best we can to educate those who will listen. I know alot of very educated people who can’t balance a bank book,most of them live in DC.Freedom is the money you have in your pocket,spend it wisley.

  • mirage

    Hey Bob, tell people the truth, versus trying to hawk gold/silver to make a buck. Ditto for this site’s various promoted elixirs that add years of life to your largely white senior demographic.
    If the country collapses, like you’ve been “promoting” as a strong possibility, it’d be a better investment to buy copper and lead: BULLETS/AMMUNITION.
    Along with the doomsday forecasts you guys are predicting (a possibility), comes lawlessness … desperate people aren’t going to ask their wealthier neighbors (nicely) to share what they’ve got; they’re going to take it. Hence my ammunition/firearm recommendation; along with the knowledge of proper useage.
    Life as we know it probably won’t come to the various doomsday forecast(s)one reads about, but if they do, gold and silver won’t buy ones way out of harm amongst a desperate citizenry with nothing to loose: JUNGLE 101.

    • JeffH

      Mirage, I think that many of us have a strong supply of copper and lead along with the means to “barter” with it.

  • cosmos110

    Not much has been said but, the good old “Federal Reserve Bank” loaned another $600 billion of our money to the “European Central Bank” on Christmas Day. The American people will surely learn about being complacent with their money.

    We must never forget, they’re not Federal, they don’t have any Reserve, but they are a Bank and they’ve been running wild and unchecked with our money for nearly 100 years.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

    Bob, I dont agree with you that the ” slate must be wiped clean”..that implies that everyone should go bankrupt by letting the country go bankrupt? If thats what your meaning then that is a ‘less honest ‘ way of doing things which makes the government current policy more correct or not so bad as going bankrupt. I never thought I would say that. That inflation is better than defaulting.

    Now your suggestion of putting your money in swiss accounts is also dangerous … as what would the swiss do with any american dollars if it cant invest in any other safer currencies. If they did invest anywhere else it would be a great risk of loss. Who in Switzerland would be able to guarentee your funds unless they purchased gold with it and could only be remitted back at the value of the gold as the time of sale to repay depositors.

    I believe many of you are confusing the cause and effect of the current world problems and unfairly blaming Obama. This problem was coming long before Obama arrived on the scheme. Partly caused by Alan Greenspans low interest policy which encourage everyone to buy houses instead of investing in factories. Your current low rates cant go any lower and the only direction is now higher or stay where they are. Interest rate policy was meant to be used to stimulate the economy in bad times…so it stands to reason that you where already in bad times when your ‘experts’ lowered official interest rates, well before Obama.

    Our official RBA interest rates in Australia were going up until mid last year to 4.5% housing was 7.5% because our Reserve Bank was worried about inflation and we had to cop the increases, but as soon as Europe started to faulter and the tables had turned and looking like our 5% unemployment rate was starting to rise..our beloved Reserve Bank started to drop rates by 0.5% thankgod for me as i am in business.

    Our Reseve Bank governor has the ability to cushion the blow for business and home buyers with lower rates whereas your rates cant go any lower. Mind you I dont trust him too much because he should have seen the problem I could see 12 months ago, but he chose the scare everyone with increasing rates every few months just prior to his sudden turnaround. Blind freddy could see the economy was turning bad generally, but he kept saying our mining companies are booming and causing inflation which he controls by increasing interest rates. When he could see our Labor government giving into the wage demands of their friendly Union members such as Teachers, Nurses, Pilots, the RBA [Reserve Bank] kept rising rates to create a recession…yes a recession. So now the recession has resulted in both State and Federal government suddenly realising that a slow down in the circulation of money has resulted in a reduction of most taxes, Capital Gains taxes are down due to losses instead of gains, the state 6% property purchase taxes are down because less people are buying houses for fear of unemployment. The independent RBA policy has had an effect of not only squeezing citizens but also the State and Federal tax collections…making them realise that they cant afford to increase the wages of government workers they wish to appease so much. Another time I’ll explain how local councils cost both State Federal plenty in less tax collections.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Gilly’s room, “Bob, I dont agree with you that the ” slate must be wiped clean”..that implies that everyone should go bankrupt by letting the country go bankrupt?”

      Not if there was total debt forgiveness across the board…

    • DaveH

      I must have missed something. What did you explain this time, Gilly?
      Central Banks don’t save economies by creating more fiat money. When Central Banks lower their interest rates it not only creates a flood of new money in circulation, but it encourages malinvestment. As the money gets easier to obtain, it becomes easier to invest without careful planning, thus the booms which are then followed by the busts when the gravy train runs its course. Not to mention the inflationary degradation of our savings which Gilly poo poos.
      Inflation is NOT better than default. It just affects a different class of people. Rather than the big lenders losing money (default) the losses occur on the backs of the innocent ignorant masses (inflation). When defaults are avoided, it only serves to bolster those who invested badly at the expense of the rest of the people. Instead they should be forced to suffer the fate of their bad investments and pay the price for their negligence.

      For those who want to understand where we’ve gone wrong, read this free online book (get out your dictionary):
      http://mises.org/books/historyofmoney.pdf

      • DaveH

        There is a wealth of Free information at mises.org for anybody who wants to learn what drives the booms and busts which have been all too common in the last century.
        For access to their many Free Online Books, go here:
        http://mises.org/literature.aspx?action=source&source=Online%20Books

        • Angel Wannabe

          DaveH, I don’t think it’s a matter of what drives the busts and booms Dave, its who, Darth Vader “Luke, you do not know the power of the Dark Side”___LMAO!

      • eddie47d

        At least Gilly understands it’s not all Obama’s fault. Now that’s a breath of fresh air instead of the constent piling up on him. The real problems go way back.

        • George

          True, however. If Hitler had been killed in 1943 and another nutjob took over and continued to do the same things Hitler did, would you say it is not all The second guys fault? It was Hitler and the guys before Hitler. NO. Obama is to blame for the excelleration of this mess. SPEND,PRINT,SPEND,PRINT,SPEND, ETC…. Anyone can stop the crash by doing specific things in order. If you studied economics in school you would know that order. The same process we use in our own homes. Unless the masses have done exactly what the government is doing (spending more than they make), in that case, everyone is a hypocrite. He is a socialist (his own words in his own book). Fundamentaly change means just that but Americans didn’t even understand what he meant. People can blame everyone else, but in the end, it is the person who made the wrong decision who suffers the rath of Karma.

  • Jenasus

    The Chinese Army in Mexico, the drug cartels and the terrorists that have invaded America will destroy our way of life as we know it.

    Prepare For “The Freedom WAR” that is brewing in America.
    Worlld Warriors Freedom Fighters and others like them
    UNITE to protect our rights of FREEDOM.

    Join “The Freedom March” on WASHINGTON DC 2012

    • FreedomFighter

      Post a link for info, thanks

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Jenasus

        Freedom Fighter,
        We the peopler will not have time to march on Washington DC. The government passed the extension of benefits for only 2 months because they will crash the dollar and the euro after the two months has past which will be on or before March 1st 2012.
        I have made some t-shirts for the freedom march and freedom war. Send your adress to my email venturegamble @hotmail.com and I will send you one. Specify your size too.

  • Angelique

    All you financial geniuses: You obviously don’t understand “money,” which takes many forms. Someone mentioned “fiat money,” that is what is created with no hard specie to back it….what we now have thanks to the FED. Get a copy of “The Creature From Jekyll Island,” by G. Edward Griffin. It is about the creation of the FED by about 6 financiers at a secret meeting, who controled an estimated 25% of the wealth of the entire world. The FED controls the creation & distribution of money, all kinds of money. Start with that.

  • No fool

    Why Is Everyone Going Bankrupt? Because all of the stupid, lazy, useless, corrupt and greedy bums voted for Obama.

    • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

      No Fool should know that very few people working in the government admistration during Presidents Bushes term lost their jobs when Obama too over…but you think that just one man the President is such a superman that he can do so much as one man that you can blame him instead of the same old beuracracy working for every old and new elected president?

      • JC

        You’ve never been to an American ghetto have you?
        Check out Detroit…you’ll see what he means…

        • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

          No never been and never would bother going there or investing any money because of the hopeless nature in Detroit. Manufacturing has gone, had gone long before Obama came along.. Its got no future while workers wages in America remain higher than Asians are able to deliver their products from overseas at a cheaper and better quality. And because your corporations are able to import products cheaper from Asia without import duties due to governments idea that its a totally free market then you will continue to have investors stay away from the Ghettos. Some of your lansdlord laws are also becoming similar to Australias…another reason I would not bother wasting my time offering accomodation to petty criims. drug addicts and dealers who want everything for NIL. Your occupants deserve the lifestyle they are ‘enjoying’ and I have no compassion these days from my personal experience of dealing with similar types in Australia. The only suggestion I have …if the government cant offer protection to your own investors / manufacturers to help create better shelter or jobs…then dont expect those with capital to even bother to try. Its then become your all powerful politicians who have to look after the homeless and the unemployed somehow. NOT MY PROBLEM.

  • Jenasus

    Dumbocracks and Rebuttlickens are on different sides of the same totem pole.
    Our only hope is the Declaration of Independence which says that when our government gets to big or no longer serves we the people than it is our right and duty to abolish or alter our present form of government.

  • jopa

    One big factor as to why many Americans are going bankrupt today is because our united Health care hasn’t fully kicked in yet and it does need a public option.Most Americans are under-insured or have no insurance.Many of you haven’t been hit by a major medical tragedy but I would say 95% of you will in your lifetime.When you do you will be in for the shock of your life if you don’t have a golden parachute attached to your plan.One chemo treatment costs $12,000.00 just for the drug alone.If you are lucky you may only need six and no radiation.Not all insurances feel they have to pay for this so start saving if you want to get rid of Obamacare.Insurance companies and the government can get the price down to $2,000.00 but you may be on your own trying to get it done.Good Luck.

    • DaveH

      Oh sure, Jopa, Big Government has worked so well for Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, and North Korea, . Some reality:
      http://heritage.org/index/ranking

    • Jenasus

      Johnny Pot Seed says “A joint a day keeps the doctor away.”

      Johnny Apple seed was not planting apple trees he was planting pot and his name was Johnny Pot Seed.

    • Carlucci

      Who said chemotherapy (i.e., poison) is the only way to deal with cancer?

      I see jopa is back and still drinking the koolaide……

    • Karolyn

      My friend an I both say that should we be diagnosed with cancer, we will forego the poison they use to cure it. I believe that the body can cure itself, given the right things (and that don’t mean chemicals). I have mentioned this before, but I was diagnosed 10 years ago with HepC. I refused the chemo bcause i did not want to compromise my quality of life and proceeded to clean up my diet and get on a good regimen of herbs and supps. The gastro, up on his high horse in his silk suit, thought I was nuts. He didn’t have much to say when my 2nd biopsy came out better than the first. There is, without a doubt, a mind-body connection. I do not get sick because I take care of myself and do not believe in getting sick.

      • JC

        Karolyn says:
        January 2, 2012 at 12:55 pm
        My friend an I both say that should we be diagnosed with cancer, we will forego the poison they use to cure it.
        ___________________________________________________________________
        A majority of Oncologists agree with you. Very few surveyed said they would rely on chemo-therapy which has a about 6% success rate.
        I’ll see if I can dig up the links for that.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    IN THE BEGINNING GOD God revealed to Daniel the past present and future history of the world. We could all learn much from the study of the four world kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Rome was never defeated but ceased to exist because of ungodliness and corruption. It was diverse from all the others and the NWO is likely emerging from the ash-heep of it’s existence. There will be a future kingdom of peace on earth with Jesus as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. I pray all of you that read this will make preparations to be there with Him. It seems to me that we may have been weighed in the balance of God’s scales and been found wanting. I pray we may have ears to hear nnd eyes to see the handwriting that is on the wall and .seek The Lord while He still may be found. PREPARE FOR NOW BUT BY ALL MEANS PREPARE FOR ETERNITY WOULD BE MY ADVICE.

    • FreedomFighter

      I read the book also, it ends badly for the Lucys and tares.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

  • evie

    If all of you don’t like Congress and Senators then why don’t we all get together, and vote all of them out during the next election. I don’t know who set their terms, but I think their terms should be limited, as the President’s to avoid what is happening in Washington, making America look ridiculous in the eyes of other countries. How do we reset the terms of our politicians.Perhaps we would then get some people in there that will work for the American people. My other concern is there are no checks and balances in any of our agencies, how do we demand that of our government with reporting to the American public, especially the Federal Reserve. As stated above, who the heck approved giving the European Bank System money from our Reserve? As for oil – it just takes too long here in America to get anything done with all the red tape prospective businessmen have to go through in order to establish a business. Other countries make it easy for our companies to come there, so no wonder we are losing our businesses and jobs for Americans. As for illegals, my strong point is, we make it too easy for illegals to stay here. We are supposed to be an English speaking country, but who is making it easy, especially for the Spanish speaking individuals – the government. Everything is in Spanish in addition to English, now when applying for a job in the public section, it is a requirement to be bilingual, so many of us who only speak English can’t apply for jobs. Continuing to have documents, voice translations, and the list goes on in Spanish is not helping these people to learn English, just the opposite, but who is going to change that, even though our country acknowledges that we speak English here! As for the American dollar – who can predict what will happen to it, fail or stay the same. Someone needs to give me more proof that it will fail, before I will take my money from America and put it in a foreign bank!!

    • Angel Wannabe

      evie, “Someone needs to give me more proof that it will fail, before I will take my money from America and put it in a foreign bank!!

      I don’t think its matter for SOMEONE ELSE to try convince you into believing anything, its your job to try read all sides and decide whats truth or not. Read all that is presented on both sides, then you decide!

  • http://www.sensiblechange.org Ken

    The only 1% to be worried about are the liberal elitists who think they know better than you how to run your life. Robert has fallen hook, line and sinker for the envy-laden agenda of Obama and the Marxist redistributionists. The BIG LIE is trying to convince people that the wealth of some is the cause of your poverty. This is nonsense. You are the captain of your own economic destiny. In reality, the governmental elite stand in the way of success by the middle and lower classes. The narrative also conveniently ignores the degree to which those in the lowest quintile move into the upper quintiles of income earners. There is still trmendous economic mobility in America of which the OWS crowd has no knowledge. It is the liberal elite and their regulatory excess that stand in the way of entrepreneurial success, as anyone who has started a business can tell you. So, Robert, stiopping blaming the “rich” and get off your ass. And stop thinking in partisan terms. Join the Tea Party and start acting out of principle. The rest will take of itself.

  • Jenasus

    We are living in the time of Revalations. The scales of time are held in the hand of one of the Four Horseman. In his other hand he holds a rope that is tied into a noose.
    On one side of the scales of time is the “Age of Enlightenment” where the truth shall live and the lies will die.
    On the other side of the scales of time is the “Age of Enslavement” where the lies will live and the truth shall die.

    • denniso

      To the Bible spouting simpletons,give me a break! If you really believe the nonsense you post,then you will believe absolutely ANYTHING!Which I guess is why most of you support the lying and hypocritical Repubs. Your powers of reason are severely damaged or non existant.

      Ken,where can I get a piece of your pie in the sky?

      • DaveH

        Why do religious people bother you so, Denniso? At least they are striving for morality, something which you lack.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Aunt Denny, I see your still on the right/left crap! __Ho hum…

      • FreedomFighter

        Denni, I know you think im an idot for my belief, at one time I was an athiest then I died and was brought back, I dont have the words for you but this guy does:

        ATHEIST PROFESSOR

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vj0qKthCgg&feature=related

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Karolyn

          Even though this guy did not think he believed in hell, deep down inside he did; and that is why he experiened what his true self really believed. We create our own hell, just as we create our own lives and deaths. Just my belief. Don’t care if you agree or not.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Freedon Fighter,
          A lot of people said they saw a bright light, some said they saw the Virgin Mary and some muslems said they saw the prophet Mohammed.Oh yeah, I almost forgot, they all had one thing in common, they all saw their departed loves ones.Scientific explanation:Oxgen Deprivation,nothing more,nothing less.

          Near Death Experiences: A Naturalistic View
          http://ed5015.tripod.com/SupernatNDEs116.htm
          A near death experience (NDE) consists of a variety of sensations reported by … in the central visual field that expands in size as oxygen deprivation continues, …

          • FreedomFighter

            If you believe that have somebody choke the snot out of you and find out. Remember I was an athiest too, I thought like you, I believed what you do,

            I was wrong.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • MNIce

            “Oxygen deprivation”? Causing an expansion of the central visual field? Really? That’s totally whacked, man. Every serious high-altitude pilot knows the symptoms of hypoxia (another name for oxygen deprivation), and they include a narrowing of the visual field and a general fading of awareness, not bright visions of the hereafter. Alcohol intoxication produces similar effects to hypoxia, but reports of NDE-type visions from drunks are rare – generally limited to those who come close to killing themselves with booze.

            I seriously doubt the validity of your naturalistic explanation.

      • Carlucci

        denniso is so stupid. He still hasn’t figured out that many of the people posting in this site are not republicans and do not support republicans.

  • observeronthehill

    William Cooper, former navy intelligence officer, wrote a book 20 years ago that laid out everything that is happening, as planned by the world elites. Get a copy and read it – “Behold a Pale Horse”. It is a true wake up call.

    • Carlucci

      “Behold a Pale Horse” by William Cooper is indeed an excellent book, although it is pretty scary. And then look what happened to Mr. Cooper.

  • JimO

    When the 20% doing the work to support the other 80% get tired of continuing to do that, the system collapses. Read up on any “utopian” experiment and you will see the trend and result.

  • Margaret

    Right on, Jim O. And for all you “social justice” christians out there who think there’s a special place in heaven for you for voting away OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY(and hoping, I suspect, some of the gravy – I.E., FREE STUFF – will land in your OWN lap), think again. How about pulling out your OWN checkbook for a change? Where’s your self-respect? This country wasn’t built on free-loading.

    • NC

      ACCORDING TO THE TEACHINGS OF JC YOU AIN’T GOT NO BUSINESS NO HOW WITH CASH OR A CHECK BOOK. BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO HOLD BACK A LITTLE CASH TO BUY THE NEXT ANN COULTER BOOK ON CONSPRICIES THAT SHE OR ANYONE ELSE EVER PROVES.WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO DO WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE A COMPLETE SET OF OREALLY COFFEE MUGS?

      • MNIce

        Which “JC” would you be talking about? Not the One who told his disciples to go catch a fish, take the coin out of its mouth and use it to pay the temple tax, nor the Same One who used as illustrations of the Kingdom of Heaven a man who saw a very valuable pearl, and sold everything he had so could buy it, or a woman who lost a coin and searched her entire house for it, then celebrated when she found it. You wouldn’t be talking about the “JC” who told his disciples to get their money bags and knapsacks ready just before he was betrayed and crucified.

        The main point of Biblical teaching about money is that it is ultimately a stewardship from God, and that we are to love the Giver, not covet the gift. We are expected to use it wisely for His glory, not just to make ourselves comfortably. “Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.” Ephesians 4:28 Obviously this may involve the use of a means of exchange. Please note that St. Paul did not write, “Let him who stole have the government steal for him that it may have something to give him who has need,” he wrote, “… let him labor, … that he may have something to give …” Charity is a private personal activity, not a public government program so everyone can see how generous the politicians are, and that is from the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    • George

      No use in tell these folks the truth about what self responsibility is about. They love them some free stuff. Until they win 20 million in the lottery then they become greedy like the people the dispise. The truth is. They are not Jealous, but Envious. They want what others have. They never saved and they are pissed now.

  • daniel

    You know right now there is not much that comes out of the mouth of the government that I trust nor the MSM for that matter. I think it curious that oth are saying the economy is recovering basically in unison when if you turn the page and check what others are saying with proof quite the opposite is true. I may not be an economic giant or genius but there is a few things I know.
    1. Across the board debt foregiveness will wipeout companies and institutions internationally.
    2. Should the Chinese cash in our bonds we are sunk. We have no reserves to pay them.
    3. If we pay the Chinese in our fiat currency then they will lose money on their investment in our bonds. That could trigger a trade war.
    4. Food prices will shoot up faster than this year. We have no food reserves to cushion a bad crop. The Chinese have been buying up farmland and crops on the commodity market in very large amounts. That is one of the main reasons corn prices have skyrocketed. It is not just the ethanol farce.
    5. The above will lead to hungry people around the world and hungry people fight.
    6. If this is just the beginning of Jacob’s trouble then I would look to the Four Kings of the East, West, North, and South. As far as I can see the only king not delineated yet is the King of the West. The Arab Spring as it were is just the King of the South waking up.
    Outside of do a lot of praying I think the prudent thing to do would be to prepare as best as you can. If that is followed then the worst that can happen is that we get to share if nothing happens.

  • Raggs

    It’s pretty easy to see that oblama and his brown shirts want all of America to be in debt and dependant to the government… And with 50% of our population on the dole system we are half way there… Also if oblama-death-care every takes hold we will see the remainder of this country stuck on stupid.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Margaret I do not believe social justice is Christian. There are many that claim to be christian that hold this view but they err in their knowledge of God and His Word.

    • Raggs

      Social justice is Marxism NOT Christianity…
      Marge refers to Collective Salvation which is socialism not individual salvation..

      • Angel Wannabe

        Right Raggs!__ individual salvation first, then that forms a foundation, as the collective whole.

        • Raggs

          Yup, isn’t it a little funny how the far left always twist things in order take advantage of people… And that is why we have a nanny state.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Raggs, the leftists always twist things, you can count on that!

          • Deerinwater

            maybe their are just trying to stay even up with ‘shape-shifters’ like Newt, or Cain or McCain or Rommney?

      • Karolyn

        However, we are each part of the whole.

      • JeffH

        Raggs, Ah yes, social justice.

        ‘Social Justice’: Code Word for Anti-Americanism – Marxism’s Influence in the U.S. Today

        The National Association of Scholars reports that the term “social justice” is today understood to mean “the advocacy of more egalitarian access to income through state-sponsored redistribution.” That is academic verbiage for Barack Obama’s assertion that he wants to “spread the wealth around.”

        From his post as Professor of Education, Bill Ayers(Weather Underground) became a leading advocate of “social justice” teaching, i.e., getting students to believe that they are victims of an unjust, oppressive and racist America. After a few years of this indoctrination, young people are ripe targets for community organizers to mobilize them to vote and carry out “revolution.”
        http://www.personal.psu.edu/glm7/m322.htm

        • JC

          Jeff, I noticed your avatar today. Is that the Kenyan’s “Hopey Changey” logo for 2012? lol ;)

          • JeffH

            JC, just like to add a little “color” now & then for amusement. A constant reminder of what lies ahead if some people don’t remove thier head.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            JC,
            That is a pentagram.Take care.JeffH is a Joy of Satan member.He turn JoeH into a werewolf.

          • MNIce

            coal miner, you need to get your glasses checked. It’s a hammer and sickle in a red-framed black star, in other words, one of the older symbols of Soviet communism.

          • JC

            CM it was a hammer and sickle on a red flag when I made my post.

    • moonbeam

      I was going to answer Margaret’s post, but it was too preposterous to even form an answer to it. She probably doesn’t know a true Christian, just the ones who say they are and who haven’t cracked open a bible in eons.

      • Raggs

        I’m sure that you are correct, it is people like her that “THINK” that they know something just by watching oprah wimpy.

        • Karolyn

          Don’t knock Oprah. She has helped many people and continues to do so in many ways. You have probably never even read any of her material or watched her show – just go along with what your compatriots have to say. Disparaging people does no one any good. Are you jealous of her wealth?

          • Raggs

            Her “wealth” is based on worldly goods as with all of those that “rule” so I pitty her for her convictions.
            And I have NO respect for someone that only helps others to help themselves.

          • Karolyn

            Raggs – You have no clue. What better way to make a living than by helping others?

          • Karolyn

            PS – Her wealth is her spirituality.

          • Raggs

            I help people but… I do not broadcast it for a personal gain or social justice… I’m not into the whole global warming social justice rat chit propaganda

          • George

            All I have to say about Oprah and many other popular people is that they support UNICEF and Amnesty International. As a former Army Ranger and DSS(Diplomatic Security Service) agent I have traveled the world over and these two groups are the worst. Just the fact she supports and donates to them says alot about her.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        JC

        I meant turned.Past tense.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Not everyone going Bankrupt! Advertizers must be getting filthy rich! Example: Ad’s @ 75% of the hour… T.V.
    Church postponed Rose Perade 1 Day ( New Years fell on their SUNDAY.) The Rose Bowl Foot Ball in ESPN Not a Local Station! 2,4,5,7,9,11, or 13! The Rose Perade starts late ends early! Church feeling like they are loosing their Flock?

  • Mad Max

    We live in a different time. You may not be ready for this but “Death by Technology” is the best explanation that I’ve found. Technology is raking under everything we’ve ever known.

    • Karolyn

      There are those who believe that previous civilizations killed themselves off with technology.

      • Raggs

        I expect that neither of us know anyone over 100 years old. Do you expect that the goody goody government is going to change that? Prehaps you are all in on the RFID chip implants?

      • http://deleted Claire

        Technology has taken away a number of jobs. My office downsized considerably when it became computerized. A number of people were laid off, and only a select few were kept.

        • JC

          Which is one of the reasons I will never use automated cashiers or gas stations.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Bottom line on God’s social justice. “If you don’t work, you should not eat”. Be careful about blaming God for some men’s misinterpretation of His Word..

    • Deerinwater

      What about the very aged, very young or the ill if they can’t work?

      • Raggs

        Deer-in-the-headlights..

        Do you REALLY expect that everyone should pay your way?
        God knows that all we need is yet another handout entitlement program that is based on the lazyass son of a bitches that suck off of the government as an excuse not to get a JOB.

        We have enough scum in this world as is…

        • Karolyn

          So much for brotherly love.

      • Raggs

        So.. Do you expect that since that I get off my ass and go to work to EARN what I do that you should be able to TAKE what I do?

        F-U

        Stupid-ass pie-hole

      • JC

        Deerinwater, you ask a valid question.
        I thin k the point is that the care of the people you mention is not supposed to be a Federal program. Families, communities and churches etc. all pitched in to look after these folks in the past.
        The Fed’s use it as an excuse to tax and waste…

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Good Article Bob. I cannot afford the time to read or respond to Robert Smith, Flashy, or denniso. I suggest the rest of you do the same. It is a total waste of time.

  • Sergey

    Bob, where do you suggest people leave US to? You said leave US, but where do you think is better than here? Email me the answer

  • Rennie

    I used to advise everyone to stock up on food and means of production and hide at least one hoard in a 55 gal drum or something, and now Obummer says that makes you a suspected terrorist and is trying to find out who has food stored so they can confiscate it. Think about long term storage of long guns to survive any surprise bans or confiscation schemes until the day our Constitution is restored.
    Maybe keep an old single shot or two to hand in when they come pounding on the door.

  • Jenasus

    July 4th 1776
    07+04=11=01+01=20 which is 02 reversed.
    1776= 1+7+7+6=21 which is 12 reversed.
    Put them together and you get 12 21 2012 the end of time which is not really the end of time but the end of freedom and the “Age of Enslavement.” where the lies will live and the truth shall die.
    The other side of the coin is the “Age of Enlightenemnt” where the truth shall live and the lies will die but we the people will have to battle through the age of enslavement to get to the age of enlightenmnet.

  • Jenasus

    America is bankrupt. Obama has been destroying America since he got elected. The Class war fare is not fair because it is only against the private middle class not the government middle class.

    • Deerinwater

      There is not a war, unless you elect to fight. This assault started some 30 years ago and it was an assault on the election process and how business was conducted on the Hill, the only victims being the middle class private sector as they are asked to shoulder the greats burden by subsidizing both the very rich & poor alike.

  • jerry

    America does not understand that $13 Trillion of our real wealth was stolen by the sovereign islamic banks and we are now playing with the dregs. We keep printing that $ 13 Trillion over and over, but the real basic wealth is in islam now. It costs about a dollar to pump a barrel of oil for the arabs. It cost $70 to fill your tank.
    Obama’s position was bought by the islamists to oversee the destruction of Western civilization and the introduction of Sharia. The so called health plan is just a way of collecting JIZYA from America. Wake up!!!!!1

    • Raggs

      The best way to destroy this country is from within.

      And so that being the case just take a peek into all of the BS union thugs that the 8igger loves.

  • George

    I have read most of the responses and have come to the conclusion that I arrived at months ago. People are mad as hell now and it is too late (in the abstract). For so long these same people that cry how bad they have it because of the right or left, spent till their hearts desired. Money was easy to get and loans were easy to find. Lack of personal planning has put these people in the position they are in now. My brother and sisters are in this group. All bought big homes and nice stuff, while I remaind fiscaly responsible in the good times. Now I have a stash of cash ($398,000+) and ($78,000+ in gold)amassed over 13 years. I feel no pitty for these people because they, and only they, have made the wrong choices in the past. Now it is time to pay the piper and all hell has broke loose. Bob is correct in his view and unless you are blind and have absoulty no math skills, you no doubt think he is off his rocker. The truth is; we are in a world of sh– with this system of printing money and it will take its course. These people are wasting time blaming others for their mistakes and not correcting their course. So be it. Just stop blaming others for what choices you and ONLY YOU made. Buckle up, hold on, and good luck.

  • http://alaskawallofshame.com Libertarian Oracle

    I am not afraid of personal bankruptsy because I am afraid of credit and therefore never use it. When I was much younger there was a slight tinge of envy when I saw some live for today friends eat in restaurants, drink in bars and buy shiny new things on credit what I could not pay cash for while driving the same old pickup home for beans and rice, but over a relatively short time of 6 years saved & purchased a home on acerage and now own everything on that acerage while my hedonistic friends still struggle to pay their bills and wonder how I got rich and why I still drive that old pickup.
    These are principles learned in a freshman personal finance class!

    • Raggs

      That is too hard for people to do now-a-day’s.
      The easy way out is for them to take what you have.

      As with billy-bob-blow-job-clinton everything is free.

    • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

      Well done Libertarian Oracle because my story is similar, but you must know some people who borrowed money for property purchases who are now wealthier than you now thanks to the inflationary effects of govt printing new money?

  • ANDREW

    ANDREW SEYS YOU THAT THINK EVERYTHING IS OK WHEN YOU GET YOUR UNEMPLOYMENT CHECK AND GO BUY AND GET YOUR FOOD STAMPS AND GO BY AND CHECK THE FOOD PANTRY GIVE AWAY TO SEE WHAT THAY GOT GOOD TO EAT THIS MONTH, DONT FORGET TO STOP AND VOTE FOR THOSE IN OFFICE, THAY WILL KEEP THIS PROSPERITY GOING UNTIL IT ALL FALLS THROUGH ITS SELF.

    • Ray F

      AMEN TO THAT…LOL

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

    Angel Wannabe says: “Not if it is total debt forgiveness across the board”…. So you dont believe in going bankrupt but you do expect to be foregiven your financial sins. Now who is going to be so generous to forgive America the $trillions it owes the world including many Americans too? Begging foregiveness from the Lord is one thing, but begging forgiveness for all your premeditated financial sins without any intention of paying anything back…is something else…FINANCIAL ADVANTAGE BY DECEPTION…is a crime which even MADOFF went to jail for. Angela Wannabe better go back to morality school..

    DaveH you did miss the point …I said Bob, I dont agree with you that the ” slate must be wiped clean”..that implies that everyone should go bankrupt by letting the country go bankrupt? If thats what your meaning then that is a ‘less honest ‘ way of doing things which makes the government current policy more correct or not so bad as going bankrupt. I never thought I would say that. That inflation is better….. than defaulting.

    IF as DaveH says..Inflation is NOT better than default….then I understand that to mean that would not mind suffering a humilliating defeat by asking CHINA and other countries to forgive the debt owed by your country and cause the end of the proud American Empire?

    DaveH says “Instead they should be forced to suffer the fate of their bad investments and pay the price for their negligence.” he means America should BEG FORGIVENESS of its debt from CHINA so your country can be forced to suffer the fate for your bad investments? Give me a break…DaveH and Angela Wanabe…you want BEG China to FORGIVE AMERICA and wipe the slate clean? Go back to morality school…. In my book Bankruptcy is Theft and that is why so many of your businesses are going bankrupt…because they dont want to pay for their own mistakes…meaning many do not have any morality. Your system all too easily permits bankruptcy and your Courts let so many of your theives get away from paying for their mistakes.

    If you agree with me that you will NEVER BEG China, Japan and other countries who invested their peoples savings in AMERICA who they considered then to be an HONORABLE people and a safe place/system who would pay the interest and eventually pay back their investments… then you will agree with me that your President is doing what you would much prefer him to do and that is create more credit and print more money causing inflation rather than him on behalf of the proud people of America BEG for your survival. Just stop and think about what I have said in this post and tell me you dont agree and why.

    • DaveH

      Sorry, Gilly, but you make no sense at all. So I guess you believe that you should just keep buying the drunk more drinks and everything will get better?

    • DaveH

      Instead of continuing to be an ignoramus, Gilly, why don’t you do some studying at mises.org.
      The opportunity to lift the veil has been put right in front of you. Yet you continue to spout your nonsense.

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

        DaveH i have read plenty on Mises, Von Hayek, Milton Friedman…but why dont you do some of your own thinking and debate like a man who might have his own ideas to think things out without always relying on the Austrian school of Economics to solve all your problems. Their theory I fully SUPPORT, however the US of A is not in that theoretical position nor can it get into that position without the demise of the American Empire and no one really wants that, do we? Only your couriers of doom, gloom and panic merchants who are suggesting using arms to defend your patriotic what? Give us all a break and move to Russia …i’m sure Putin will put you in your rightful Siberian Nirvana.

        • JC

          Excuse me? You’re advocating “for” the AMERICAN EMPIRE?
          Can you not see that is exactly what got us into this mess in the first place? No Sir, we need a return to values prescribed in our Constitution.

          • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

            YOU ARE ADVOCATING POVERTY JC !!!!

  • Joe America

    Clearly, the central banks of Europe and the USA, as well as the IMF, World Bank, Federal Reserve and the UN are to blame for our financial destruction. What’s happening isn’t accidental, but is planned. It’s a planned transfer (theft) of wealth from working, middle class Americans to those who own the banks. You’ve described the symptom, but I’m described the cause. Few people realize that the owners of these banks actually financed the communist revolutions in Russia and China. Now, those very nations are becoming rich, while American is going down the drain, and it’s all because of who’s backing them, financially. I believe they call this TREASON.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

    Yours and our financial woes are of our own making by buying goods and electronics and motor vehicles from Japan and China on borrowed funds…these are all depreciating assets which eventually end up into land fill sites, whereas the Chinese and Japanese have been using the proceeds willingly purchased by Americans and Australians to buy tangible assets like land, buildings and Gold in our countries. You cannot blame foreign banks for lending money to people who WANT to willingly without being forced to buy new Plasmas, LEDS TV’s and new Toyatas and Kubotas instead of buying more costly and inferior quality American Ford motor vehicles using cash savings. The reality is the West has willingly purchased better quality overseas manufactured products like Iphones without being forced to enter into any contracts and now some of you are looking for someone to blame…Obama, the foreign banks, CitiBank, and every other bank …give me a break…please analyse your statements before you utter mostly nonsence. Who cares who owns the banks …its the workers, the bank managers who make the recommendations or who lose the money and bank failures from trading mistakes and fraud too. Banks are made up of people like you and me…not Jason and the Arganaughts…mysterious greek gods ruling the world from secret locations. Read the Barklays bank failure and Enron, and MADOFF ponzy scandal…and many more… Many of our politicians are also the problem because most are substantially uneducated…and dont even know as much as most of the posters in this forum ….the politicians of yesteryear still think money grows on trees when they make promises they cant fund except to upset the very voters they are seeking to appease. They much prefer to be generous with their promises and the the back office beauracats work out how to magically fing the money by whatever means except higher taxes.

    The ONLY exception is DR RON PAUL who does not offer more services and yet many of you and many others who are awaking from their slumber will be voting for him if the REPUBLICANS are smart enough to put him up. Otherwise the game is up…and OBAMA or another Republican clone is going to be the Republican choice.

    • DaveH

      So we’ve got this giant Government sucking 40% of our GDP away, and Gilly has bought into the Propaganda that it’s the Chinese and Japanese that are causing our economic problems. You can’t see the forest for the trees Gilly. Now be a good boy and go play with your roos.

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

        DaveH go back to reading school. The Chinese and Japanese and many others have purchased the Bonds your government had issue over many years to fund the politicians promises, so I never said the bondholders where the problem. You DaveH are part of the problem I bet and now you dont want your government to pay anymore…you want your government to be forgiven their[your] debts by begging the current bond holders to wipe out the debts. Ha Ha Ha That makes you and your type beggars by another name. Forget that idea and I’m sure Dr Ron Paul is not suggesting such a solution. A LONG PERIOD OF AUSTERITY IS THE SOLUTION…SO PREPARE TO GET USED TO IT.

  • Jim L

    Economics are the same for a nation as for a family. If you borrow and spend more than you are making on the premise that you will make more in the future, so you can pay what you owe, you are doing exactly what Ponzi did; basing your actions on constantly increasing revenue. Ultimately revenue (production) will stop increasing.

    The United States has not reduced its debt for probably over 100 years. Now all the discussion is not about reducing debt, but about reducing how fast we increase the debt. As long as the debt keeps increasing the interest on the debt increases. At some point the interest will become equal to the income. At that point the system cannot recover because increasing taxes does not increase revenue because increasing taxes reduces productivity because businesses do not have capital to hire and buy machinery.

    At this point decdreasing taxes will not help either because it will not increase production enought to offset the revenue decrease fast enough. Even if government expenditures were reduced to zero, the debt would increase due to interest costs. The result is the destruction of the economic system and the government.

    If a government exists that is not run by politicians who buy votes by giving voters whatever they want, paying for it with borrowed money, politicians who let neither public ‘need’ nor public want to drive spending, so the government is not in debt; that government will survive and prevail (can you spell China?).

    The challenge for democracy is that when voting for personal benefit versus public benefit people will usually vote for personal benefit. The reason for representative democracy was that the representatives were intended to look out for the public good and prevent the electorate from voting itself that which it had not earned.

    The fly in hte ointment is that the representatives are just like everyone else and they look out for themselves. By giving the electorate what it wants and building a huge national debt to do so, they ‘buy’the votes to stay in office.

    According to some economists the tiping point is when the national debt (not decicit) reaches a certain percentage of GDP. According to those same economists we have reached that point or will within months.

  • DennisJ

    I am from South Africa but am following your political, and particularly financial situation, with great interest because what happens in your Country will definitely impact mine. Can someone fill me in on the situation with JFK starting the process to get rid of the Federal Reserve and restart the gold standard. He was assassinated 11 days later which makes you a little suspicious! Your financial system (especially the securitization process) were exported to all over the world and as most of you know, is the major cause of the Financial Crisis which is still unfolding

  • ib12541

    I agree with most of the article but I don’t see how shipping your wealth out of the country will do you any good when the bad times come.

    For those who want to accumulate precious metals I recommend going to https:/silversaver.com/share/43JNH. Here you can purchase gold or silver for as little as $25/week or $50/month on a dollar cost average basis.

    Good luck to all in the coming collapse.

    • Aurelio

      Accumulate all the metals that you want, and try to eat them in times of famine. A loaf of bread in Germany right after the war, cost about a million marks, how much gold? is anybody’s guess. The one who has food and the capacity to produce it, is rich!

      • vicki

        Aurello writes:
        “A loaf of bread in Germany right after the war, cost about a million marks, how much gold? is anybody’s guess.”

        Don’t have to guess. Just look it up. The answer is 0.26 Mark. Quite a bit different than your million marks. You failed to say which war so I presumed WW1 since there was hyperinflation a few years after that war. Circa 1923 actually.

        Since the war ended in Nov 1918 I chose 1919 as “right after”. As you can see by the link a loaf of bread was 26 Pfennig.
        http://www.joelscoins.com/exhibger2.htm

        A pfennig is 1/100 of a mark. You’ll have to look the pfennig up yourself as I have used my one link already.

        “The one who has food and the capacity to produce it, is rich!”

        Using your logic it is the one who has the power to take what he/she wants unopposed that is rich. Everyone else is a slave. Our forefathers knew this VERY well and that is why they felt and often said that EVERY freeman should possess arms (firearms).

  • Jagans

    There is a simple answer to our economic woes. We, as Americans have to demand that products we buy are made in the USA. A non producing country is a poor country. We must support the prople that have taken the risk to produce in our own country in spite of the weight imposed by government agencies. We have lost our understanding of Value. Value is cost divided by time. Buy American, it keeps an American in a job.

  • Aurelio

    The analogy fails. First, Germany’s inflation was due to the absence of any kind of goods, especially food. There was no production of any kind in Germany, and in most of Europe in the aftermath of the Allies’ victory. Second, we are not Zimbabwe. The real economy is, like Lyndon Johnson once said, our production, especially our capacity to produce food. Third, our mortgage holder, China, needs us to consume all the crap they produce. So, debt wise we are not there yet. But yes, we approaching a deep and vertical cliff.

    • vicki

      Aurelio writes:
      “The analogy fails. First, Germany’s inflation was due to the absence of any kind of goods, especially food. ”

      Let’s see what the history books say. Or at least the WWW version.
      http://www.joelscoins.com/exhibger2.htm (looks familiar doesn’t it. :) )
      “The inflation was triggered by a huge increase in the nation’s money supply, caused in part by the heavy demands of the reparations placed upon Germany following its loss in World War I. Soon an inflationary mentality set in. Merchants would raise prices automatically. People would hoard goods, figuring the price would go up, thus causing shortages. The vast quantities of money were issued not only by the German central bank (The Reichsbank), but also by numerous communities, cities, states and companies, only compounded the inflation.”

      Exact match to what the OP is warning us about. You are correct that there were supply problems but then again the LAW of supply / demand was just as valid then as it is now.

  • Margaret

    Hey Moonbeam – I read the Bible every morning. That enough for you to get out your OWN checkbook for a change? I’ve noted in the Old Testament EVERYONE was to tithe. See, flat tax is the only fair way lend dignity to the system and have everyone feel invested. But I suppose that upsets you since then you’d have to (finally)kick something into the system yourself. Yes, people are getting angry. Maybe it boils down to the utter INGRATITUDE for what is essentially CHARITY – not an ENTITLEMENT. So ease your bleeding heart, Moonbeam, and get out your OWN checkbook.

  • Big Jim

    Well my fellow Americans voteing is not going to correct this great country.If you totaly coorupt a system you must then delete completely everyone in that system.Treason is a hanging offence and i belive that is the only option left….Do not expect people in the system to enforce this it will be up to us,but i am afraid dievide and conqure has once again destroyed a great country…..I am in my bunker and hope my fellow Americans have one to…LIVE LONG AND PROSPER GOD HELP AMERICA….. Ps if i spelled something wrong don’t hate me for that…

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    The Truth Is: Something had to happen to ‘Stop” ‘s l o w down’ Inflation! Inflation Down Grades The Dollar! Look @ China… The Price of a bowl of rice in 1800′s to now… U.S. Gas ’50s $.20/Gal.
    Min. Wage@ $1.00/ Hr. Inflation is getting absurd! I sold avacadoes “large” For $.25 / 50s…

  • Mark

    I have thought about getting money out of the country but have no idea how to do that. Anyone?

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