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Why Does The Military Continue To Practice Assaulting U.S. Cities?

July 17, 2013 by  

Why Does The Military Continue To Practice Assaulting U.S. Cities?
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Helicopters from the U.S. Army’s 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment shook Port Angeles, Wash., residents awake last week as they thundered above the city, flying low and shining bright lights on the ground during an early morning training exercise that “terrorized [the] city.”

“We have a Coast Guard base and know what our Coast Guard helicopters sound like,” Port Angeles Mayor Cherie Kidd told CBS Seattle. “It was horrendously loud and frightening. There were lights on some of the helicopters that just really upset us.”

The exercise — in which MH-60 Blackhawk and CH-47 Chinook helicopters flew over the city with their landing lights on at an altitude of 750 feet — prompted frightened residents to call emergency dispatchers to ask what was going on. But dispatchers had no answers because the Army had not notified anyone in advance of the exercise. The Clallam County sheriff’s office was not notified until later on Friday that the helicopters were training at the Coast Guard base at Ediz Hook, off the Strait of Juan de Fuca.

Port Angeles resident Eric Phillips said the helicopters were spotlighting the town. “I’ve never seen anything like this before,” he said.

Since January, military helicopters have flown “training” missions over Houston, Miami and Chicago. In each case, frightened citizens swamped emergency dispatchers with calls to learn if they were being attacked. Additionally, troops have been spotted training in and around these cities and others. And several similar helicopter exercises were held over American cities last year.

Federal law prohibits the U.S. military from conducting domestic law enforcement. So why is the military practicing assaults on U.S. cities? And why aren’t they warning residents, or at least the local governments, beforehand so they won’t be frightened out of their wits?

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Suede

    Why are they doing it? Getting ready for martial law. God help us get him impeached!

    • Ron r

      God has nothing to do with it.

      • stephen wagner

        God has everything to do with that buddy the problem with America is we have forgotten to God controls everything

        • http://shadow1776.wordpress.com shadow1776

          Stephen, God gave man free will to choose. Life is a test, and most people are failing. But thats because of greed, power, lust, envy, hate, and prejudice. God is not responsible for this mess, people are.

      • HOLYMASSOFHUMANITYBATMAN

        It IS a test of our metal- when the time comes will you do the right thing?

  • Ron r

    What are they doing?? Training and nothing else. Why do you keep spewing this foolish crap Bob? Anyone who has lived close to a military base has seen this before. Or anyone who has been in the military has seen it also. Keep looking for

    • Ron r

      Keep looking for martial law and black helicopters and lots of sleepless nights .

    • doug

      I live near a city where there are several military based San Antonio texas and I have never seen this in 50 years

      • Ron r

        Maybe you should ask the source because thus author us full of crap. And if you read the full article from Instead of the cherry picked information provided here you would learn that the only surprise to the mayor was the fact she was not given prior notice.

  • Ron r

    Update: this happened at joint base Lewis McCord formerly Ft. Lewis ,where for years they have trained like this. This time there was a communication break down and the town was not alerted prior to. Well, first off it was Special ops training and in most cases the members did not know what they were going to do untill they did it. What this author failed to mentioned was that the mayor gave no indication that training like this has never happened befor, only that they should have been given a heads up.
    Now why is a training mistake like this so important to this author? .

  • CJ

    There have been four such “training” missions over Memphis in the last couple of months. I’ve lived here 20 years and have never seen these helicoptors fly in Memphis airspace before.

  • http://shadow1776.wordpress.com shadow1776

    You could also ask, why are UN soldiers in our country, traing in urban combat.? Because when they decide to go one world government, they don’t want any resistance. The Fema camps with razor wire, the coffins, bankrupting America, trying to take our weapons, and spying on Americans, chemicals in the food and water. The wars in other countries that they have our soldiers fighting, thats to put people in charge that will support the UN WORLD ORDER. Oh. You can say paranoid if you want, but I believe I’m right on the money.

    • Ron r

      Because they have been training here since the Reagan years.

    • Tom T

      Ten years ago I would have considered and dismissed this as “crazy talk” but my opinion has changed. My brother and a friend had heard rumors of a FEMA camp outside of his town at an old abandoned mill. They decided to check it out they took a hike to get to the facility. The mill had been surrounded with razor wire (facing in not out) and the rail line next to it emptied into a series of turnstiles (like in a subway or stadium) and there were many FEMA vehicles and striker APCs with gun turrets on top with UN markings. They were immediately intercepted by a security guard carrying a M4 (fully auto selectable fire AR-15) who chased them off as if there were possibly cameras in the woods as they were several hundred yards away from the facility on a ridge line that was covered in heavy foliage and trees. They were told by the guard that it was a gov. facility and they were not allowed in the security zone.
      Being a hardheaded type he went back after a few days they were able to get a little closer this time before security caught up to them but they got close enough to see inside the rail cars and see that there were shackles lining the walls of the rail cars. This is not made up as my bro is not prone to exaggeration. It sure as hell woke me up in a big way.
      Bill Ayers, Obama’s terrorist buddy, had wanted his version of government overthrow and revolution was to start with a race war and financial collapse at least 30 million who would refuse “re-education” would have to be eliminated in camps in the southwest. If you search, you will find that insider whistle blowers have reported that guillotines have been brought to at least one camp in the Phoenix area. I know this sounds crazy as I would have called it exactly that just a few years ago as I was part of the “it could never happen here” crowd. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst folks. I really want to be wrong!!

    • stephen wagner

      at least he didn’t stop on every part of the Constitution one by one Reagan even Clinton followed Basic Law Obama has tore apart every single part of the Constitution

      • Ron r

        Name one!!!!

    • linda eubanks

      this administration wants all of us citizens: scared to death of them and this is doing just that.I’m sorry to say that our country is in jeopardy under this administrationObama is planning I’m taking over plane is a nose on your face just like the Germans ignored Hitler we are lambs and we are being led to the slaughter wake the F up

      • Ron r

        I’ll be glad when he takes over because right now he can’t even get a cabinet appointment by congress . Some power gran.

  • BT

    The reason for the all this comes down to Eric Holder n the Obozzo wanting to take over the country and also holding a police action so the obozzzo can become the king and break all the laws they both are doing.

    • Ron r

      Yeah that’s what they are up to. Fight a war overseas where you have to deploy units multiple times a year because of man power and wage another war on this country so you can stay in office longer like the republicans wanted to do with King Reagan. My god people get out from under that bubble.

  • Brandon

    There are so many unanswered questions with this administration, the people have lost trust in this president!!! Now, I am speaking of trust. I realize that less than half the country still aligns itself with the Democratic party’s ideology under the usumption Obama is a democrat. What people are saying is he is not trusted and why don’t you ask yourself in light of sooo many problems and investigations this president has had, what if he isn’t what he’s been telling people? He has already lied to the people over much more serious issues ( Benghazi, fast and furious) than Clinton did over a blow job!!! He got impeached!!! I understand politics now a days has become a business but once you’ve been caught lying your character is in question!!! A leader of this nation can’t continue to lead after that!!! It hurts the integrity of all!!

    • Ron r

      Chill, the black guy will give up the White House in time. Obama hates America but Bush others love America .

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    Two seemingly minor lies, promoted as scientific facts in 1945 to save the world from possible nuclear annihilation, instead destroyed the integrity of science, education, research journals, the news media and world leaders and faith in our Creator-endowed inalienable rights to self-governance:

    1. Neutrons attract neutrons.

    2. H-fusion powers the cosmos.

    My research mentor, the late P. K. Kuroda, directed me to start research to reveal this deception in 1960.

    I regret that it took so long to complete that 1960 assignment.

    Later today I hope to post the manuscript here with links to the irrefutable data and observations.

    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA PI
    For Apollo SamplesTwo seemingly minor lies, promoted as scientific facts in 1945 to save the world from possible nuclear annihilation, instead destroyed the integrity of science, education, research journals, the news media and world leaders and faith in our Creator-endowed inalienable rights to self-governance:

    1. Neutrons attract neutrons.

    2. H-fusion powers the cosmos.

    My research mentor, the late P. K. Kuroda, directed me to start research to reveal this deception in 1960.

    I regret that it took so long to complete that 1960 assignment.

    Later today I hope to post the manuscript here with links to the irrefutable data and observations.

    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA PI
    For Apollo Samples

  • Jeff

    When Obama was first elected I tried to trust him. His wife was tending her little garden and it seemed like things were going to be fine. I truly wanted to trust him because it seemed like he had our best interest in mind.

    Now I know better. Obama is hellbent on destroying our nation and will stop at nothing to impose his brand of socialism on us. The urban training doesn’t surprise me, just like the mountains of plastic coffins don’t surprise me. I have said for years that there will come a time when those who cannot survive will die. With socialist rule, more government control, and higher food prices it appears that that time is fast approaching.

    They say life imitates art. This whole mess could easily lead up a “Hunger Games”-type scenario. I’m glad I have a nice supply of ammunition.

  • Jacob Westphal

    Maybe they’re practicing retaking U.S. cities that have been captured by one of the super powers we owe money to…just a thought

  • Brandon

    Please read!!!! Very important!!!

    Recently, Egyptian President Mohmmed Morsi was overthrown in a military coup.

    And so of course President Obama’s reaction was to send a military junta F-16′s.

    This is illegal.

    But in all all too familiar story the Obama Administration is ignoring the law.

    I wrote a piece of The Washington Times detailing how President Obama is skirting American law and why this is issue in Egypt is so vital.

    Paul: The coup that isn’t as Obama disregards his duty to cut off Egyptian aid

    Egypt has undergone a coup, deposed its leader and the military has installed a new president. The situation is unpredictable, unstable and volatile. The country remains in a state of unrest.

    What do we do? We send them F-16s.

    U.S. law states that we can’t send military and other types of aid to any country whose duly elected head of state is deposed by a coup. U.S. law clearly says that we cannot send such aid where the military plays a decisive role in the coup.

    This law allows no presidential waiver. Aid cannot be reconsidered or restored until a democratically elected government is elected.

    Yet, as President Obama has so often done with other laws and even the Constitution, he ignores it.

    The Obama administration has refused to acknowledge that the military takeover in Egypt is a coup. When asked directly to spell out the State Department’s definition of a coup, spokeswoman Jen Psaki refused, saying only that, “I’m happy to get you that, but I wouldn’t ascribe, you know, specific words. Each scenario is different. And if you need our specific, formal, government definition, we’ll get that around to everybody.”

    The State Department has yet to send a response.

    We once had a president who parsed the meaning of the word “is.” Now we have a president who denies a coup has taken place in Egypt when, by any conventional definition, it most certainly has. The president of Egypt was placed under house arrest. The military took over the television stations. The military took control of local police and all forms of local and national government.

    Still, Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told CNN, “If this were to be seen as a coup, then it would limit our ability to have the kind of relationship we think we need with the Egyptian armed forces.”

    Thursday morning, it was reported that this relationship included delivering four F-16 fighter jets to Egypt in the next few weeks in addition to the eight we sent in January. Another eight are scheduled to ship later this year.

    To what end?

    In January 2011, some of the jets we gave to President Hosni Mubarak were used to intimidate protesters — the same people whose protests helped to overthrow Mr. Mubarak and replace him with Mohammed Morsi. Not surprisingly, Gallup reported in February 2012 that 71 percent of Egyptians opposed U.S. foreign aid to their country.

    When both Mr. Mubarak and Mr. Morsi were overthrown, protesters held signs criticizing U.S. aid to “dictators.”

    It should also be noted that when the Egyptian military helped oust Mr. Mubarak — the classic definition of a coup d’etat — the Obama administration also declined to acknowledge even then that a coup had taken place.

    When we continued giving F-16s to Mr. Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood after Mr. Mubarak, I offered an amendment to stop military aid to Egypt.

    It was defeated 79-19.

    The United States has cut off weapons aid in the past after military officers overthrew civilian governments in the Ivory Coast, the Central African Republic, Fiji, Honduras and Mali. In Egypt, however, where the regimes are constantly changing, our foreign-aid policy never does.

    This week, I introduced legislation again that would cut off foreign aid to Egypt. We either have a nation of laws, or we don’t. If we are a nation of laws, foreign aid to Egypt should immediately end.

    If instead, we are now just governed by popular prejudice and unlimited executive ability to contravene the law, then perhaps we should be looking at Washington to determine whether or not a coup has occurred.

    washingtontimes.com

    • Ron r

      You’re funny.

  • http://shadow1776.wordpress.com shadow1776

    My family has served in the military for 200 yrs. One thing we have never done, is train around civilians. There are many reasons they don’t. Distraction, panic, training secrets, and error which could cost lives. Nope, something is going on.

    • Ron r

      There have been many training changes since 911. It’s call adapting.

      • http://shadow1776.wordpress.com shadow1776

        Changes yes, but not in or right over cities. They keep training away from civilians for reasons.

      • http://timblosser.wordpress.com timblosser

        Ron – I don’t know if you’re a civilian or not, but your ignorance points to that distinct probability. Anyone telling you these are ‘normal’ training missions is deceiving you.

        • Ron r

          I assume you are the expert? Or are you just another ignorant civilian who sees UN soldiers and Obama FEMA camps everywhere. No I’m former military. (infantry)

      • Tom T

        I wasn’t aware that posse comatatis (sp?) was abolished.

        • Ron r

          Your point?? Make sure you never move close to a military base. Or is thus some kind of Obama and martial law thing??

  • http://shadow1776.wordpress.com shadow1776

    Tom T. Have you ever watched True T.V. with Jesse Ventura.? He has a lot of stuff on conspiracy, the government, the camps, coffins, ect. Very enlightening

    • Tom T

      Shadow, I have seen the very program you mentioned. The location with all the plastic caskets is less than 100 miles from my home. Security at that location has been intensified 10 fold since that show has aired and a friend tried to see for himself and was quickly turned away by M4 toting guards who proclaimed it a secured FEMA government facility. Again, I want to be wrong but still hope that I am but the evidence is proving otherwise. I am also curious as to why “Big Sis” resigned so quickly as all most all cabinet officials give notice of a few months when they are leaving. It just seems odd.

      • Ron r

        My god the Glenn Beck FEMA camps again. When will the bull crap conspiracy be put to rest????

        • http://shadow1776.wordpress.com shadow1776

          Conspiracy they say, yup by the Government. Some people can’t figure it out, or dont want to believe there own government would conspire. Don’t matter if you’re religious and believe in the Tribulation or an American worried about your freedoms. The writing is on the wall.

        • Tom T

          Ron, I have no reason to lie or make this stuff up I really don’t I have nothing to gain. I don’t own a website or have a book to sell. My brother (who also has no reason to exaggerate) saw the location near his home with his own eyes and one of my best friends (who also thought it was a load went by the site to prove me wrong) was chased away from the Atlanta location by m4 toting FEMA badged security. I have nothing to gain from this I really wish this was conspiracy nuttiness. I was in your camp that this was a load of bull until recently when confronted by the actual facts from people I know and trust. You don’t have to believe me i am just some typefont on a blog as far as you are concerned. As a matter of fact, dont believe me, do the research yourself.
          I have no idea what Beck did I haven’t heard from him since he left FOX as I don’t get his radio show here.

  • Nobody

    Could it be that soldiers need training for operations in urban city areas? Maybe they don’t notify people so their tactics don’t end up on YouTube? Maybe soldiers need to be trained to fight a more developed country than Afghanistan? Or defend American cities?

    • ty smarter

      That shows your one of the lambs also .All I can do is shake my head at you naive people.

    • http://timblosser.wordpress.com timblosser

      Absolutely not. We have urban warfare training areas built on our bases for that training. This has nothing to do with generalized urban warfare training.

    • Jeff

      I don’t know about you, but the army I served in had its own facilities for that. We didn’t go around freaking out the general population.

  • Jeff

    I see lots of comments about conspiracy theories. It seems that most of the people to label others as “conspiracy theorists” are missing the point. Lets break this down, shall we?

    conspiracy [ kuhn-spir-uh-see ] noun plural con·spir·a·cies.
    1. the act of conspiring
    2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
    3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

    Theory [ thee-uh-ree, theer-ee ]
    noun plural: theories
    1. a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena: Einstein’s theory of relativity.
    2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
    3. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.

    So by definition a “conspiracy theory” is something that is made up by some whack job that has no basis or has no solid proof. “I think this is happening” is a theory.

    What about if we have proof? Is it still a theory? Once proof is presented a theory becomes a possibility, and the more proof that is presented the more possible the subject becomes. For example, we know that a Boeing 757, like the one that supposedly hit the pentagon, has a wingspan of 124 feet, 10 inches, and a height of 44 feet, 6 inches. We know that before the initial collapse the hole in the pentagon was approximately 14 feet across. How exactly did a 757 with a wingspan of 124 feet make a hole only 14 feet across, yet leave no wreckage outside the building?

    Now another thought: if there is a conspiracy and people, agencies, or organizations cover it up, doesn’t that make those people, agencies, or organizations as guilty as those who committed the acts? The plastic coffins, the arms sales to cartels, the government crap going on now, it all says something about Fuhrer Obama.

    Still trust the government?

    • Ron r

      Definition of a Conspiracy : this article, Obama planing martial law.

      • Jeff

        Exactly, his agenda is crystal clear:

        1. Strip citizens of certain rights thereby making them easier to control.
        2. Disarm citizens by any means necessary as disarmed citizens are compliant citizens.
        3. Enact drone flights in domestic airspace.
        4. Declare dissidents terrorists and dispatch them accordingly.
        5. Enact martial law.
        6. Shred that pesky Constitution.
        7. Enjoy total power.

        • Ron r

          Well great hooray for Obama, his plan is working.

  • Brandon

    Wow Ron, please don’t ever vote again :)

    • Ron r

      Wow Brandon stay on this site.

      • Brandon

        Just responding to this, scary man :)
        Well great hooray for Obama, his plan is working.

        Tell me what liberal sites you go to, I would like to deliberate with you on ur ground, I would very much like to see how enraged you guys would get when presented with facts you can’t ignore :)

        • Ron r

          Don’t visit liberal sites other than sometimes media matters. No fun debating . There are plenty on the left who are upset some out raged with the president. I am one of them , but I do not think he is the anti Christ , or that he wants to declare martial law, or that he hates whites, or gates the country , or that he is a Muslim , or as some on this site have called him a n@@@er.

          That he kept in place pretty much every Bush policy as far as the NSA is concerned bothers me. So if the right/reich thinks he’s trying to be king then so be it. There have been plenty of other presidents who have f????? Up this country both dem and repub. give the black guy a shot.

      • Brandon

        Noted, well played, really what makes me nervous is we know next to nothing about this guy, I can’t recall this much about a presidents past being concealed and having so much reason to be questioned! In my humble opinion his approach to and the type of change he portrays is not inline with what the majority thinks American culture is or should become! Even 50 years ago the foundational documents of this country were not given the freedom of interpretation it is allowed today, a lot of our identity has been lost through perverted interpretation of the law and who it extends to. Inalienable rights extends to all, but there are laws that are only meant for citizens, those lines are being severely exploited to our county’s detriment!!!

        • Ron r

          I don’t know what to tell you because I know as much about this president as I knew about the others. I know how perverted the last administration was and always wondered how a Vice President could be so ready to send young people to war when he himself was not willing to serve.

          People know what they want to know about Obama . His father was Kenyan and that places a cloud over him. Here’s a guy that some figure should never have amounted to anything. Mixed race kid who’s mother never married within her race. Traveled like John Macain but not as a military brat like he and my children were.. This man is the American dream. Even though most here don’t think he’s American.

          You wonder why I’m on thus site? Besides what I wrote before, I was glad to be on this site prior to the last election because I would e-mail some of the crap I saw here to friends and before I retired I would tell ci-workers about this site. Once they saw some of the crap on this site as well as gather it motivated them to vote and bring along friends and family. You see extreamism is not the norm in this great nation. Extremism is fascism disguised as patriotism.

      • Tom T

        Wow, a media matters troll. Very good!! Let’s me and others know quite a bit about your integrity and you views. Lennin had a very good term for people such as yourself.

        • Ron r

          And I have a very good term for people like you.

      • Brandon

        There are extremes on both sides for sure!!! I think it boils down to different views, please tell me, if this guy is the American dream, why all the secrecy? Why won’t he let his college documents be released? Aside from him saying it himself in his book, the Ministry of Kenya said Obama was born there, now either you have a whole country not telling the truth or just him. what you do is just as important as how you do it. I have seen pretty extreme liberal views myself and just have to shake my head. Extreme liberal EXPECT without accountability! I think the liberal believes gov is there to fix whatever is wrong and float the bill, I believe gov exist to provide all the freedom thru law to go as far as your own ability takes you. It is up to the state gov to generate its own revenue, so if education isn’t what you want etc… Blame the state not the Fed gov!

        • Ron r

          College transcripts. I assume you want birth records also. Over 40 presidents and only the black guy has to show ID. Did you see the Reagan, Bush, or Clinton transcripts????

      • Brandon

        And Americans are now dead and this admin won’t say who gave the stand down order, rather tell everyone to forget about it and come to grips that they were simply abandoned and that is the natural order! This forum doesn’t have enough memory to get into a fast and furious debate, again illegal activity, no accountability, just don’t talk about it and we rely on the short memory of most the public and it will go away! He has kept a lot of NSA policy from the last admin but also has stretched it past its limit if he thinks he can target Americans e and the DOJ see as a threat at will without due process!!! Brought 1st amendment violations to communist levels trying to tell everyone like they are children it’s for the greater good!! We did give him a chance and nothing got better!!

        • Ron r

          The top military officer says there was no stand down order. I beleive him. How many young Americans died as a result of an illegal war in Irag. The FISA court out in place during the Bush regime , this man has done little different from past presidents .

      • Brandon

        None of there citizenship was never in question. Can u personally vouch for him? We’re you there, do you know for a fact he is telling the truth?

        • Ron r

          We’re you there when Bush, Reagan, or even Romney were born. Can you vouch for them. Someone said they were born some where. Next myth.

      • Brandon

        Ron, you honestly think this documentation is not looked at before the office is taken? The difference with Obama is that it was flagged as something not normal!!!

        • Ron r

          What documentation? College transcripts are not public record. Ask Bush. I don’t see where you are going with this.i will say up front since you have been civil and honest in our debate that if you are on the birther path, I’m finished because there is no proof for birthers. It’s like trying to p$$$ up a rope.

      • Brandon

        Birth certificate, you used to need one to get a drivers liscense :) not anymore :( I started deploying in the early 90′s up till when I retired, some deployments I believed in some I didn’t but I had a RELATIVE comfort with those that were in charge. Wether people want to believe it or not this president is hiding something, the documents they want to see are very specific and he won’t do it, ie college documentation to see how he was registered, if its not a big deal why not, he has no problem intruding in our privacy and he is an elected official! It’s expected! You run for office your life becomes an open book, everyone knows that!!! What is he hiding, it would be so easy to say ok!

        • Ron r

          Like Romney and the five years of taxes. Thanks for the debate Brandon, but I’m finished with the birther thing. I will close with soldiers follow orders , not question them. The fact that our military is run by civilians is what seperates us from say Egypt and others.

      • Brandon

        Well for me adhering to the law is a big deal, what concerns me most is my country seams to be getting worse, foreign policy has no direction, the economy is not improving it is hanging on, and a lot of people still argue his legitimacy, now I do not like Cheney or Rumsfeld at all, and same goes for Clinton, but there was never a legitimacy issue like there is here, please tell me why that is.

        • Ron r

          I do not see an issue with the presidents legitimacy. And as far as the economy , by Wall Street standards he’s the worst socialist of all times because they are raking it in hand over fist. Realizing that the economy was in shambles when he took office and the obstruction of republicans it is hard to see how the economy is slowly recovering. Again, as to the president , if you and others beleive he could pull off your conspricy for two terms then that would more than qualify him for president . But some of us watch way too many movies.
          Thanks for the debate , no disrespect but the birther issue is not an issue.

      • Brandon

        Agreed, soldiers follow LAWFUL orders :) take care :)

        • Ron r

          In the case of Irag ll they just followed orders. Orders thought to be legal.

          Thanks for the debate.

      • Brandon

        Same here! Take it easy Ron :)

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