Why Does Obama Hate Financial First Responders?

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It is really quite easy to understand why the U.S. economy is in crisis and decline. Forget the delusional stock market (fueled by Fed fake money printing). On Main Street, our economy is sick and getting sicker. There are no jobs. Ninety million working-aged, able-bodied Americans are not working; that’s almost one-third of the country. The workforce participation rate is the lowest in decades. The rate of business start-ups is the lowest in decades. Food stamps, disability, welfare and Medicaid are at record highs. We face economic disaster. Why?

The answer is found in how we treat the heroes of the economy. Firemen are heroes because they run into burning buildings. Policemen are heroes because they run toward the sound of gunshots. That’s why they are called first responders. Where would we be in a crisis without these heroes?

But our economy relies on heroes. too. I call these heroes “financial first responders.” They are the business owners, investors, job creators and taxpayers. They risk their financial lives, just as policemen and firemen risk their bodies. They run toward crises, just like our first responders. They are willing to risk their life savings on nothing but a business idea. Amazing! They even risk their money in the midst of an economic crisis. That takes guts.

Like firemen and policemen who risk their lives selflessly for others, the financial first responders risk their money to create jobs, to provide a better life for their employees and to provide products that consumers need at a price they can afford. Their courageous risk-taking is what fuels the entire U.S. economy, thereby paying the taxes necessary to fund government. Without financial first responders, the economy and government would grind to a halt.

Barack Obama famously said to business owners, “You didn’t build that.” That statement may be the most ignorant ever uttered by a President. The truth is the exact opposite. Nothing could get built by government without the risks taken by business owners. We have roads, highways, bridges, airports, schools and hospitals because of the tax dollars paid by financial first responders.

Yet while government praises traditional first responders like firemen and policeman, Obama and his socialist cabal demonize, denigrate and disrespect financial first responders. For our courage and heroic risk-taking, we get kicked in the gut. We are targeted, punished, regulated and taxed to death for our success. And now we’re even persecuted by the Internal Revenue Service.

Next time you wonder why the U.S. economy is failing, just remember that Obama has created a hostile work environment. Just remember the 80/20 rule. Eighty percent of success at any business comes from the top 20 percent of superstar employees. The same holds true of government. Whether it’s Merrill Lynch, Coldwell Banker, Charles Schwab, Facebook, the State of New Jersey or the Federal government, success is dependent on the rainmakers. The top 20 percent produce 80 percent of your profit and pay 80 percent of your bills.

How do you motivate the rainmakers? It’s simple: The more these superstars produce, the more they get to keep. In any industry in the world, the superstars at the top keep more of what they earn. Plus they receive bonuses, fancy dinners, vacations, gifts, golf.

Can you imagine if a company came along that reversed that idea? What if this company treated the top 20 percent like crap. What if they punished them: The more they make, the less they keep. What if this company took away all the extra commissions and bonuses of these superstars and redistributed the money to the worst 20 percent of employees? Can you imagine giving nothing to your superstars, but offering fancy dinners, golf, gifts and trips around the world to the worst performers? How absurd. That company would be out of business in 30 days.

Don’t look now, but it’s happening. It’s called government. Under Obama, the rules have been reversed. He punishes the superstars at the top for our success. He taxes us to death. The more you make, the less you keep. He puts in place so many rules and regulations, that it is impossible to run our businesses anymore. The financial first responders are now condemned and punished for our heroism. Capitalism is under attack.

That is why the U.S. economy is failing. That’s why there are no new jobs. That’s why a recent study proves that there is more opportunity for entrepreneurial success and wealth in emerging market countries than in America. How shocking and sickening is that?

And if you still don’t believe me, study Detroit, which has done things the Obama way for the past 50 years — under 100 percent Democrat rule and with Obama’s exact policies. Detroit is now a bankrupt, insolvent, Third World hellhole and is unable to pay its bills.

Or take a look at Europe. It also followed the Obama socialist model for the past 50 years. Ask the people of Greece, Cyprus, Portugal, Spain, Italy or France how that’s working out. By the way, new car sales in the EU in May hit the lowest level in 20 years. Even in Germany, car sales were down dramatically. Just as I’ve predicted for two years right here at Personal Liberty, Europe is entering a Great Depression. How’s that big government welfare state mentality working out for the people of Europe?

There is only one way to save America and turn around this economy.

Celebrate and reward the financial first responders, meaning treat your top 20 percent the best and stop rewarding the bottom 20 percent. Obama has proven that is a recipe for disaster. Or as my dad, the blue-collar butcher, once said: “I’d love to hate the rich, but no one poor has ever given me a job.”

I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. See you next week. Same time, same place. God bless capitalism.

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Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle ClassWayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

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  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    DemocRats can ONLY destroy

    “It is … unimaginable what has happened to Detroit … It was in fact entirely PREDICTABLE. Detroit was one of the great cities in the world.

    “It was among the richest and most successful cities in this country…It was the envy of the world, and now it’s the biggest city in the United States to ever go bankrupt. And why? Two things that are actually under the same umbrella: UNIONS and unchecked LIBERALISM have led to the bankruptcy of Detroit… Detroit, now bankrupt, was where companies first started offering health care benefits…And now those very benefits have killed the city of their birth, the birth of the health care
    benefit. I mean, the CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST, in the famous words of Reverend Wright. Is that not something? The city where health care benefits were created have been brought down, essentially, by health care benefits and pensions and unions…

    “Detroit is the epitome of everything that’s wrong with the Democrat Party … Detroit has been run EXCLUSIVELY by the Democrats for over 51 years, folks… Only one Republican has been elected to the city council in Detroit since 1970 … In 1960, 53
    years ago, the city of Detroit actually had the HIGHEST PER CAPITA INCOME in
    the entire nation. And since then, in the last 60 years, the population of Detroit has fallen by 63% (from 1.8 million people to about 700,000 people)” – Rush Limbaugh

    The Motor City isn’t dying. It’s dead http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2011/02/07/captured-the-ruins-of-detroit/2672/

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Detroit’s bankruptcy didn’t happen overnight. Detroit’s destruction is
      completely men-made.

      Detroit: The worst Ghetto in the USA! Facts and a tour over the Dying Detroit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTQFtNLvcl8

      P.S. From the 1962 the Detroit’s Mayor was and is DemocRat.

      P.S.S. The Kenyan Kriminal and Leftists’ goal is to make America a BIG Detroit.

      • Vis Fac

        Detroit has been controlled by DUMBOCRITES for 50 years not a conservative has held any position not even a janitor since 1962.

        It is no wonder Detroit is Bankrupt because liberals are quite adept an spending other people’s money. I liken liberals to a drunken sailor on liberty who spends his pay then asks to borrow more from a buddy (until payday) yet never manages to repay the loan,then make up excuses to borrow more.

        If you need any further example how liberals treat the taxpayers money you are hopelessly lost in your own little world.

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

    • FreedomFighter

      Impeach Obama now…this president has so much to be impeached for, he could be the first president to get jail time…our congress and senate just don’t have what it takes, its all there for them, they only need start it. This lack of action by congress for impeachment makes me wonder what dirt the democrats have on them all, how completely compromised are they? It really is looking like we have a corrupt government like Detroit and America is suffering from it.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • 5live5

        Freedom, Although I almost agree with you, impeachment is for a LEGAL occupant of the Whitehouse not a usurper. We need to try him in a legal court for illegally running for office in the first place. We also need to charge Peelousy with crimes stemming from the fact that it was her job to FULLY vet him. THAT way all that he has done will be null and void! To the ones that say there was no voter fraud, there was a woman convicted of voting seven times near Cleveland Ohio just last month. There have been several reports of 105 and 110 % voter turn out all over the US. If that isn’t voter fraud, then I guess there is no such animal! Wake the hell up people, it IS happening and we just sit back and let it go!

      • TIME

        Dear FF,
        You have to understand that to impeach or bring formal charges, that would open up the arteries of the criminal element to the light of day.
        As in expose all the criminal acts that have been perpetrated over the last 150 years against the American people and their sovereign status, as well as each states sovereign status.
        In Plain words all of the ~ “Coup d’etats” that have taken place that have usurped the Peoples power and rights, as well as the fact that the “ORIGINAL” Constitution was placed on a shelf in 1861 and has been accruing dust ever since. That’s why we have people like the Bush’s and O’Bama’s / as in no choice.
        Thus you see O’Bama is the end of the line, again in plain words, we saw the complete and total criminal acts exposed in the 2000 – 2012 election cycle and yet nothing was done about it, thus in so far as there ever being an election again that’s not 100% contrived is all over.
        Its now TIME for the American people to understand that we are a nation that has fallen. We now await the fate we have allowed to unfold to bring its full weight to bare.
        Sadly the facts are, we know the system is broken, yet we still play along as if there is nothing wrong.
        Anyway, as the Police State continues to unfold the picture will become even more clear. But, sadly the facts again are its too late. We are set for a 100% reset at some point in TIME, I feel in the very near future.
        As John Kerry has made note last week, they must end the 1st Amendment, and shut down all non controlled MSNBC media’s as these are not allowing the proper form of unfolding the New World Orders plans.
        So look forward to events to unfold that will allows these special criminals to remove all vestiges of what was just an Illusion.
        Peace and Love

      • Alan

        Many of our congress and senate are complicit and belong in cells next to Obama.

      • mark

        You have to have legitimate charges and proofs of guilt. And then you have to have two-thirds of the Senate vote for conviction in an impeachment case. There is zero chance of any of this happening against President Obama. You had your chance in the November 2012 election but as always you came up short and you lost. Something that no doubt happens over and over again in your life: you came up short and you lost. It is frustrating to be sure. But by now you must be used to it.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    The Difference between LIBERAL and CONSERVATIVE

    Universally respected economist Thomas Sowell noted:
    “Before the ghetto riot of 1967, Detroit’s black population had the highest rate of home-ownership of any black urban population in the country, and their unemployment rate was just 3.4 percent. It was not despair that fueled the riot. It was the riot which marked the beginning of the decline of Detroit to its current state of despair.”

    Thomas Sowell discusses characteristics that define liberals and conservatives,
    and his own personal TRANSITION from Marxism to libertarianism. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KHdhrNhh88

    Thomas Sowell – What Evidence Supports Affirmative Action? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5BMGYkVdX8

    • Liberty Lover

      Thank you for posting those links. Thomas Sowell is one of the most brilliant people commenting on the American scene. He is my favorite contemporary economist and philosopher. He is also my first line of defense when accused of racism because I disagree with the policies of Obama, Holder, et al. Unlike most liberals, I do judge people by “the content of their character.”

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Detroit’s Tragedy

    Detroit’s destruction is completely men-made.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYVMe6w5awY

    • Valor

      A better term would be completely Demorat made. Detroit is the blue print for the future of Amerika under permanent Demorat control which is exactly what is about to happen.

    • Vis Fac

      Soon to be followed by Chicago, New York, the PRC, and finally the entire US

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can
      best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Paдa приветcтвoвaть тeбя, мoй друг. – I am glad to salute you, my friend.

        Here is the list of the next 20 Cities That May Face Bankruptcy after Detroit http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/cities-bankruptcy-after-detroit/2013/08/06/id/519081?s=al&promo_code=146F7-1

        C нaилучшими пoжeланиями тeбe и твoeй ceмьe.
        Best wishes to you and your family.

        Aлoндрa / Alondra

        • Vis Fac

          Здесь никаких сюрпризов Каждый и каждая из этих 20 городов и школ не будут работать демократически хорошо провести вечер

          Keine Überraschungen hier Jede und jeder von diesen 20 Städten und Schulen sind demokratisch Haben Sie einen guten Abend

          No surprises here Each and every one of these 20 cities and schools are democratically run Have a good evening

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme [power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…
          A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            “Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.” (James 4:17)

            Is the second paragraph on the German or Yiddish?

  • villageidiot

    The answer is of course to get rid of the other 80% as they are redundant anyway, totally useless to the cause, which is naturally a dubious one, considering what those top twenty have been up to in order to create more wealth for themselves at the expense of everything else, and avoiding paying tax in the process. When I was a kid and we ‘plebs’ saw a fancy fellow with a fancy car, we all said ” Wow, wonder what he does?” Nowadays we would say ” Wonder what he’s been up to?” It seems to me that the top twenty have not really succeeded in making the world a better place at all. Having a great deal of money is no measure of success. Longevity and having borne witness to so many of our ‘ species’ stupidity, greed, envy and sheer arrogance without having been converted into those unenviable characteristics results in being at peace within oneself and possibly a qualification as being successful.Without inner peace one cannot claim success, unless of course one is not really human. How many of us are prepared to meet our maker gladly? The super rich may have a problem here.

  • mark

    Right Mr. Root, save the top 20% and screw the rest. This has long been your and the Republican mantra. Everything for everyone at the top as the other 80% are parasites, scum, and traitors. This is why Republicans keep losing national elections. Those actual first-responders such as policemen and firefighters that you initially refer to, they are all members of unions that you despise. And the very idea of comparing businessmen and bankers out only to make a profit for themselves, with the real heroes of our society is at best offensive and at worse perverse. That bottom 80% who you have contempt for? They supply all the men and women who serve in our armed forces. You don’t think the rich and the upper middle class are going to send their sons and daughters into combat, do you? No, they send them to elite universities like Colombia where you went, and leave the dying for Tyrone, Julio, and Virgil. You have your heroes, fine. But the rest of society has its heroes too – the real ones who sacrifice for others without thinking about what it gains for themselves. Our society certainly needs business people and entrepreneurs, bankers and inventors but let’s not elevate them to the position of heroes. Men who go down into West Virginia coal mines and risk their lives for $38,000 a year mean nothing to you. But to their families and fellow workers, these and millions of other working Americans who sacrifice everyday to put bread on the table are the real heroes of our nation.

    • regulus30

      and you think by electing politicians who give you free stuff that YOU ARE WINNING? how sick a mind set you have.

    • regulus30

      I am amazed that what you have just written is 180′ incorrect; how do you get to a position in your mind that prohibits you from processing reality and facts? how do you feel about sending slackers EBT transfers, free phones, housing subsidies,etc as compared to the coal miner working for his money;; I hear of no gang wars, drive bys and drug cartels in West Virginia, but I do know they exist in Detroit [liberal controlled], Philly [liberal controlled], East St. Louis [liberal controlled, Houston [liberal controlled[; see a pattern here yet Einstein?

      • whataworld37

        The majority of the bottom 80% in our society are working class people, middle class and lower-middle class people. Yes there are poor people in the bottom 80% but they make up a minority of the numbers and the majority of them are not criminals and gangbangers in fact many are out-of-work people through no fault of their own due to this tough recession. Bringing up the very worst examples of violence and criminality and then applying it to them all reveals your own prejudices. (Huge numbers of minorities serve in our military for example out of proportion their numbers in our society) One could do the same with the upper 20% and call them all financial thieves, indicted lawyers, Medicare fraud doctors, and Bernie Madoffs when actually such criminals only make up a small % of the top twenty percent. Also, by the way, it is impossible to be 180% incorrect. The range is 0-100%. Usually one falls somewhere within that range. Einstein would have known that after his first mathematics class.

        • 5live5

          Whataworld, had you looked a little closer to his post, you would have noticed the little mark after 180 in his remark that connoted degrees. He is saying the mans THINKING IS 180DEGREES WRONG and degrees go 360!!

          • KG

            Is that in Radians or Gradients? I know you heard of the natural log. The unnatural log is Duraflame.
            What did i say to pi? Get rational!
            What did pi say to i? Get real!

        • regulus30

          and [5] five years later , you are probably still mkaing excuses for the “communists” intended failed economic policies. High taxes [obamacare], intense government regulation/intervention, huge amounts of capital being drained from the [M-1] money source to service obama’s 9 trillion in new debt, healthcare regs forcing employers to make most workers [28] hour a week partimers, a squandered 786 billion “non-stimulus” dollars being funneled to support failing labor union pension funds, highly restrictive regulations on off shore and Keystone, soft coal energy production increasing America’s dependency on Saudi [obam’s buddy’s] oil, thus driving fuel cost increases into every fact of our lives, including putting corn[ethanol] into our gas tanks instead of INTO OUR BELLIES. Unless I am mistaken these on the ground realities never enter your fantasy parallel universe.

      • 5live5

        regulus please don’t forget the Muslim extremists that have taken over Dearborn, a suburb of Detroit!!

    • 5live5

      Dam Mark! you read an awful lot into a statement that just isn’t there. The man said the top twenty percent are the ones that risk their life savings, spend many a sleepless night worrying about their newly formed business, and work their as$es off trying to make sure their investment works out. Don’t forget mark, had it not been for someone like that, YOU would not be working. IF you have your own business, it was some like them that gave you your first few jobs to be able to do so! You weren’t born knowing how to run a business. You had to study, learn, and see first hand how the business you run works!

      • KG

        The top 20% wouldn’t have anything if it weren’t for a compliant 80%. Nothing has value unless you make it valuable through labor.

        http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          That value is compensated by the company. If you don’t believe that, then the door isn’t far away.

          • KG

            I sell my lifeforce in exchange for wages. That lifeforce is necessary for the Businessman to make money. If he makes more than the cost of doing business, he makes a profit. That profit actually belongs to both parties for if my labor wasn’t there he could never make that profit, (or in Marxian terms Surplus Value.) If the businessman recognizes that the value of his products comes from the labor he employs, then he will compensate his employes a fair amount. The problem comes from the Employers inability to be honest about what he is actually making. If all the parties involved were to ‘show their hand’, then a reasonable compromise could be reached. However, since nobody wants to show what they actually make, the happy outcome is thwarted and the inevitable strike occurs. Thats what happened in Detroit. Union business managers didn’t want to seem weak to their membership, and Management didn’t want to disclose their actual financial shape. When an immovable object encounters an unstoppable force, what happens?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So when you sell somebody a car, you come back later and tell them you’ve decided you want more for it?
            When I sell you a car, I need to divulge my assets to you first?
            Anybody who would do business with you, KGB, is definitely a load short.

          • KG

            Is selling a car the same as selling your life time?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If you do it voluntarily, yes they are the same in economic and praxeological terms.

          • KG

            IS your praxeology based on the flawed Action Axiom? You must make every decision with Kantian precision – ooops, a priori knowledge is denied to you.

            http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2011/02/limits-of-human-action-axiom.html

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As one might expect from a Socialist Progressive article — mostly ad hominem attacks.
            Austrian economists are Socialist Leaders worst nightmare because they can’t grow their Power and Perks with Free Markets. So they must use every nonsensical weapon they can grasp in an attempt to discredit Austrian Economic theory. But the jokes on them — the “empirical” evidence soundly proves that Socialism is a bust everywhere that it has been fully implemented and thus can’t ride on the coat tails of Capitalism.

          • KG

            So tell me, what “leaders” help create the Fed? What ‘leaders’ use usury to enslave the workers? What ‘leaders’ have polluted the planet in their search for profit? You speak of ‘leaders’ with contempt but fail to realize that YOU are being lead around like Colonel Kurtz Montagnard Army following orders “no matter how ridiculous.” That is indicative – not of steely hard logic, but of Religious fatalism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The only legitimate role that Government has is to protect people from the force of others — whether from outside the country or inside the country.
            When people trespass on the Bodies and Property of others, that is Force. Companies would be prosecuted by a legitimate Government if they broke the law and polluted other peoples’ bodies and property. If they aren’t punished, that is Government’s fault.

            I’m not religious, numbnuts. You’ve been around this board, pestering people, long enough to know that.

            KGB says — “So tell me, what “leaders” help create the Fed?”.
            Duh, the Federal Reserve Act? We just discussed that recently. Did you forget already?

            KGB says — “What ‘leaders’ use usury to enslave the workers?”.
            I am not aware of any workers being enslaved, KGB. Unless you are talking of the taxpayers who are enslaved against their will by Big Government — which you support.

          • KG

            quote: I’m not religious, numbnuts. You’ve been around this board, pestering people, long enough to know that.

            Wrong. You worship the feet of Von Misies. Only because it feeds your inflated sense of self importance. Von Misies seems smart and important so you must be the same.

            quote: I am not aware of any workers being enslaved, KGB.

            Ask the people who lost everything in 2008 that question. Of course, that didn’t affect you at all because you are soooo smart, right?

            quote: The only legitimate role that Government has is to protect people from the force of others — whether from outside the country or inside the country.

            So you agree that OSHA is a necessary government function. As well as the NLRB, the ICC, and the NIH? They protect people from the ‘force’ of abusive business people?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “Ask the people who lost everything in 2008 that question”.
            Those were “investors”, KGB, not “workers”. That was indeed tragic, but the tragedy was the result of Crony Capitalists and Leaders looking out for themselves at everybody else’s expense. And you support more of that, KGB, since that is the inevitable outcome of your desired Socialism.

            KGB says — “So you agree that OSHA is a necessary government function”.
            Absolutely not. Nobody is forcing those people to work in unsafe conditions. But in addition to that, the loss of capital that accompanies bureaucracy makes things less safe not more safe. Companies don’t want to lose their workers. Whether that is for humanitarian reasons, or for financial reasons — Who cares?
            And if they are short of Capital due to Government meddling, they are more prone to skimp on protection, not less prone.

          • KG

            Those ‘investors’, due to the recent egalitarian spirit of the stock market, were common workers as well as institutional investors e.g. Local Government and Union Pension funds.

            quote:…but the tragedy was the result of Crony Capitalists and Leaders looking out for themselves at everybody else’s expense

            I thought that was the core of Austrian Economic thought? As long as you leave the wealthy and powerful alone there will be prosperity for all. In Reagan’s day, it was called ‘supply side economics’, although in Von Misies day, it was called ‘Horse and sparrow’. Either it was supposed to trickle down upon the worker or they were supposed to flick flies off of horse dung and pick-out the oats.

            It’s obvious you have never worked in Construction. Or with you hands. Or anything that resembles honest work. Or you would understand the necessity of OSHA and it’s reasonable code of conduct it requires of people who employ people in dangerous occupations.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re grasping for straws, KGB, as usual.
            And I could work your butt off any day of the week, KGB. That’s why I don’t need a Union like you do. I work for my money.

          • KG

            So, do you think I get the wages I do because I’m such a great person? I get the wages i do because of people that sacrificed and fought for dignity and safety in the workplace – who died fighting Pinkerton guards hired by Business people to kill and maim workers using their “G-d given rights under the Governments guarantee of ‘redress of grievances’. When you negotiate a contract, it’s you against the employer. But in a Union, it’s me and everyone else against the employer. By myself I am nothing. But in a brotherhood of solidarity, I’m part of something much bigger than myself. The money is nice, but the respect? Priceless.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Spare us your BS, KGB. Those Unionists were trespassing and destroying other peoples’ property. They drew first blood:
            http://mises.org/daily/3553

          • KG

            Sometimes I wonder if its possible that we live in two completely different worlds. May be that the ‘Agents” are giving you a different programed reality than me.

            The Colonial period of America was a huge brew of peoples of all persuasions. And while they weren’t called ‘trade unionist’ at the time doesn’t mean those sensibilities did not exist. Even before Marx was born, America had a proletariat revolution: Bacons Rebellion.

            Incidents such as Bacon’s Rebellion of 1676, in which black and white indentured servants united to fight against their common exploiters, and even burned down the Virginia state capital of Jamestown, also had an effect on the course of the country’s development. Fearing this class unity across racial lines, and as blacks would be more easily identifiable than whites, different standards were applied when punishing the rebels, and preference toward the importation of African slaves grew.

            http://www.marxist.com/class-struggle-and-the-american-revolution.htm

            As to who drew ‘first blood’, we could ask if Abel was a trade unionist and Cain was a Pinkerton guard.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            KGB says — “Sometimes I wonder if its possible that we live in two completely different worlds”.
            Hallelujah! KGB is peeking into reality (ever so tentatively).
            Everybody lives in a different world, KGB. We have different fears, different needs, different abilities, different ambitions, and many other differences. That’s why the only possible way that people will ever be happy and peaceful is to butt out of other people’s choices for their own bodies and property (Freedom). One size does not fit all (not even close), and never will.

            KGB says — “And while they weren’t called ‘trade unionist’ at the time doesn’t mean those sensibilities did not exist”.
            There have been people in every group throughout history who have striven to take advantage of other people around them. So of course there were those who would have been Unionists. Decent people, though, know that it’s not right or moral to coerce other people to give up their bodies or their property against their will.

            KGB says — “Even before Marx was born, America had a proletariat revolution: Bacons Rebellion”.
            Bacons rebellion was not a class struggle. Members of all classes took a stand against the tyranny of the British Colonial Proprietors.
            “The chief leader was the eloquent, twenty-eight-year-old Nathaniel Bacon, Jr., descendant of Francis Bacon, a cousin of Lady Berkeley and a member of the select Council of Virginia. The other leaders were William Byrd, founder of the Byrd planter dynasty, and Captain James Crews, another large planter and neighbor of Bacon. The effort quickly emerged, however, not as a new armed force, but as a mutiny against the Virginia government”.
            To get the whole story of the rebellion, start at page 87 — “British Mercantilism over Virginia”.
            http://mises.org/books/conceived1.pdf

            KGB says — “As to who drew ‘first blood’, we could ask if Abel was a trade unionist and Cain was a Pinkerton guard”.
            Or we could just consult the history books which weren’t written by biased Court Historians.
            From Making Economic Sense by Murray Rothbard:
            “Labor unions are flexing their muscles again. Last year, a strike against the New York Daily News succeeded in inflicting such losses upon the company that it was forced to sell cheap to British tycoon Robert Maxwell, who was willing to accept union terms. Earlier, the bus drivers’ union struck Greyhound and managed to win a long and bloody strike. How were the unions able to win these strikes, even though unions have been declining in numbers and popularity since the end of World War II? The answer is simple: in both cases, management hired replacement workers and tried to keep producing. In both cases, systematic violence was employed against the product and against the replacement workers”.
            http://mises.org/Econsense/ch37.asp

          • KG

            I can understand your confusion over history. When you use only one source, you are bound to miss most of the reality that is excluded from Von Misies limited perspective. Try to use something other than a crypto-nazis history lesson.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Actually, if you bothered to read the text I presented, you would see that Rothbard has used numerous sources for his information.
            You haven’t disputed anything he says at all, but even if you do I’d like some references please.
            Ad hominem attacks are so much easier for you Liberal Progressives than debating the facts, aren’t they?

          • KG

            The Cambridge Companion to Nietzsche, edited by Bernd Magnus & Kathleen Marie Higgins:

            An ad hominem argument, as everyone learns in any Introductory Logic or Basic Composition course, is an attack directed “against the person” instead of addressed to his or her thesis or argument. To so attack the person is to commit a common elementary fallacy, albeit “informal.” Nevertheless, this fallacy is frowned upon almost as routinely as it is actually used, in philosophy as in politics and virtually every other human endeavor where people care more about winning the argument than obeying the rules of academic etiquette.
            But are ad hominem arguments really fallacies? Or do they provide fair grounds for rejecting or at least being suspicious of the views or opinions of a person? The answer to the second question is, “of course they do,” and the answer to the first is, at least, “not always.” To recognize someone as a compulsive liar is to be suspicious, at least, of their most sincere-sounding pronouncements. To recognize that someone has a personal interest or investment in a case (e.g. a scientist hired by the Tobacco Institute to disprove the link between smoking and cancer) is good reason to be deeply suspicious of the supposed “objectivity” of the research, no matter how painstakingly pure the experimental methodology. It is true, of course, that such suspicions do not show such pronouncements or the conclusions of such research to be false. But the entanglements of truth and method, knowing and the knower, is such that the ad hominem argument is often – at least as a practical matter – conclusive. The thesis may be in fact be true, but in the absence of arguments from other, less suspicious parties, we may be rightly no longer willing to listen.
            It is often said that the problem with an ad hominem argument is that it reduces a (possibly good) thesis or argument to the faults and foibles of its promulgator, thus eliminating or eclipsing our search for the truth. A cheap argument (“he’s drunk” or “she’s just an undergraduate”) may have this unfortunate effect, but a well-wrought ad hominem insight may explain what many pages or hours of analysis and textual exegesis will not. (“I seek to comprehend what idiosyncrasy begot that Socratic equation of reason, virtue, and happiness: that most bizarre of all equations, which, moreover, is opposed to all the instincts of the earlier Greeks.”) Ad hominem arguments expand, they do not limit, the field of philosophical argumentation. Instead of restricting the focus to mere thesis, antithesis and argument, the ad hominem approach brings in the motives, the intentions, the circumstances and the context of those who have a stake in the outcome. Or, in Nietzschean metaphor, ad hominem arguments make us look at the soil and the seed as well as the plant from which the flower grows. It allows us to see what is not being said or argued, the limitations of a position as well as its possibilities. (“The Socratic virtues were preached because the Greeks had lost them.”)

        • 5live5

          And if not for the top 20% the 80% would have nothing as well. What you seem to miss is money is invested to make a profit. If the salaries and benefits cost the company too much that profit shrinks and the reason to be in business vanishes. without the business the 80% are on welfare. Think about it!

          • KG

            quote: without the business the 80% are on welfare

            So what are the businesses doing now?

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      mark says — “Men who go down into West Virginia coal mines and risk their lives for $38,000 a year mean nothing to you. But to their families and fellow workers, these and millions of other working Americans who sacrifice everyday to put bread on the table are the real heroes of our nation”.
      Is Government forcing those men to mine coal? Government IS Forcibly meddling with businesses.

  • regulus30

    obama can not allow individuals to be successful that would erode his dependency base [ 43 million on food stamps] and they are his voter base.

    • KG

      W couldn’t allow the Military Industrial Complex to be useless because that would erode his base.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn4daYJzyls

      The thing is YOUS guys knew that and voted for him anyway!

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You don’t know who anybody voted for, KGB. As a matter of fact, Bush is just the other side of the Progressive coin. The Leaders of both major sides of the Progressive movement want to build Government for their own Power and Perks.

        • KG

          If you are a conservative, then I know you didn’t vote for Gore. Unless you voted a third party loser like Ron Paul, Ralph Nader or Harry Browne .

          • 5live5

            Yeah, Paul lost. then we got a BIGGER LOSER named Obambam!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Ron Paul was a Republican, numbnuts, and you wonder why you have no credibility?

          • KG

            In 2000??

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re equivocating, KGB.

  • Sam

    Obama WANTS our economy to collapse. Obamacare is designed to devastate the private sector. This is because obama is a Muslim and a Marxist. He has to knock down all institutions in order to bring in his new world order. When is congress going to haul this jackass off to jail?

    • KG

      Tell me, what exactly is “the New World Order?”

      If you had any recourse to cognition you would realize that America is the new world order.
      Novus ordo seclorum

      • American

        Maybe you should read what your link directs you to. It does NOT translate to “new world order!”

        • KG

          I checked the link and it goes to where i wanted it.
          Novus= New
          Ordo=order
          seclorum=…of the Ages: Lit. Secular or Worldly so…
          New Order World or New world order.

          The New world order was the revolutionary Idea that men could govern themselves without leaders ordained of G-d like Kings and Priests. Our founding fathers were radical liberals who believed in the possibility of Man being in control of his own destiny.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You are completely misconstruing the meaning of the New World Order, KGB, which in fact benefits Leaders, not the People.

      • TheOriginalDaveH
      • Vis Fac

        Liberals controlling everything worldwide to run it into the ground

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
        is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

  • KG

    Why not support the Federal Reserve System ? I mean they were the Original ‘Rainmakers” – JP Morgan, Stanley Chase, and Carnegie.

    However, I think most of America know who the real “rainmakers” are. The American Worker. When Americas Workers are great, America is great. That’s why we need to take care of that race of men and women who actually do 80% of the work that the 20% depend on.

    • 5live5

      Yes, the American worker can be great, when their heads aren’t turned by unions that tell them that they should be getting 30% more pay, 40% more benefits, AND 20% more paid days off!!! But tell me one thing, How many of them ever got a good paying job from a low wage working stiff? so you don’t strain your brain, the answer is Zip, zero, NONE!!

      • KG

        Yes, the ironic thing is that Labor needs the Entrepreneur as much as the entrepreneur needs Labor. However, If the entrepreneur is an American and lives in the same city as his Laborers, then the incentive is there to increase his pay as well as have better fringe benefits :for the improvement of the Labors lot would improve the Businessman’s as well. But I’m afraid there has been a disconnect between the two.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          KGB says — “Labor needs the Entrepreneur as much as the entrepreneur needs Labor”.
          However, that is worked out voluntarily during the hiring process. The worker agrees to accept $X/hr with whatever benefits are offered, and the company agrees to employ that worker.
          Then the Unionists come along, look a gift horse in the mouth, and perform acts of coercion and outright violence:
          http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=511
          http://mises.org/daily/6333/Labor-Unions-Thugs-And-Storm-Troopers
          http://www.righttoworkcommittee.org/fuva1b_videofb.aspx?pid=FBSFB

        • Vis Fac

          KG it is Ironic however labor often believes it is MORE important then the entrepreneur and wants more of the pie not realizing they 1) have no capital investment 2) by being greedy makes the entrepreneur pass along costs associated with raises and benefits to the customer 3) fail to realize the ramifications of the entrepreneur receiving fewer orders which often lead to layoffs and cutbacks 4) outsourcing of materials and labor to remain solvent effecting surrounding and support business (you didn’t think of that you only think of yourself) 5) the entrepreneur having enough and closing down leaving you and others out of work and a drain on society.
          You need to strike a middle ground you cannot keep taking sooner or later everything ends how soon depends on you.

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
          is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

    • Vis Fac

      The Federal reserve is a SHAM set in place by Carter Glass Woodrow Wilson Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Paul Warburg not by Morgan Chase and Carnegie. You need to conduct deeper research Chase Morgan and Carnegie; the ultra wealthy took over to hold the nation dependent on loans from these carpetbaggers mentioned above. There is no benevolence associated with these three or the FED as it is now know as. The fed is one of the biggest conspiracy organizations in history the treasury prints money hands it to the fed who “Loans” the treasury money to the government to give to the banksters that prop up the stock market. And who gets left holding the debt?

      The 80% are the ones in SMALL business not unionized labor. Unionized labor accounts for 10% of the GDP and the lions share of cost to keep productive. The average automobile costs nearly $2000 more than an Asian auto that sells for the same as the US auto includes union benefits and wages to pay for slackers on the line.

      You have sat on your butt too long doing your cushy union job to understand anything related to the running of the economy so just go back to sleep.

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can
      best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

  • Alex

    The evaporation of wealth from the once-robust American Middle-Class can be traced directly to the Evil Ronald Reagan, whose financial deregulation and tax policies have allowed, through the wicked Osmosis of Capitalism, the very wealthy to siphon retirement plans and pension funds, college savings and home mortgages.

    That vibrant Middle-Class was built largely with Union Labor, yet you have permitted the shady dealings of numerous unsavory union leaders to distract you from the dirty dealings of unsavory wage-slavery Capitalists. Your ignorance is your curse—too bad for you.

    • red neck

      Ok Alex… Maybe you should explain to everyone here why the housing market crashed!!!! I’m going to go ahead and tell you because I know that you do not have a clue!!! Bill Clinton passed the affordable housing act in which was the forcing of banks to finance housing to low income families that were not able to pay their mortgage…. And now you know what really happened…… But I suspect that even though you may now understand the truth you will refuse to believe anything that goes against your party line… And one more thing…. obama wants to make the same mistake as bill by again forcing banks to lend to people that can not in any way pay…. And I’m sure your solution is the same as obama, TAX, TAX, TAX .

      • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

        You need to go back a little farther to the Carter administration and the Community Reinvestment Act, but you got the point…

        • red neck

          I suppose that you are right.. Point is and always has been that the party of Marxist ( democrats ) want people to be completely dependent on big government while they punish the ones that can take care of themselves without the need of government….

          • 5live5

            This is why I don’t understand the Blacks supporting the democrats! the democrats want them dependent on a handout while if they had jobs and EARNED the things they need they would have another thing that is priceless. They would have PRIDE! I know deep down in they aren’t proud of getting handouts from the giverment!!

          • Nadzieja Batki

            You say that deep down that the Blacks aren’t proud of getting handouts from the government. Are you sure about that? If they didn’t want the handouts why are they taking them.

          • 5live5

            Nadzieja, I’m not saying ALL blacks. Yes there are some that take the handouts because they’re there. I also know quite a few hard working blacks that have fallen on hard times that have no choice but to accept some of them due to Obambams screwing with the economy. I know one that has worked for the same place for almost 19 years and got laid off. He is in danger of losing his home and he has three kids all three well mannered and good students. There are exceptions to all rules.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Anyway, Mark and Dave are screaming “RACIST”.
            Do not you hearing?

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            There are Socialists (Fascists, Nazis, Marxists, etc.) in all political parties. That’s why Jefferson warned us of them…

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        And then there was the Profligate money creation by the Federal Reserve which artificially stimulated bad investments and the resulting bubble. After that, all it took was one prick to burst the bubble.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Ignorance from Alex as usual.
      Deregulation? You be the judge:
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/144210931/Wayne-Crews-Ten-Thousand-Commandments-An-Annual-Snapshot-of-the-Federal-Regulatory-State-2013
      Alex says — “yet you have permitted the shady dealings of numerous unsavory union leaders to distract you from the dirty dealings of unsavory wage-slavery Capitalists”.
      Wage-slavery? How is that? Slavery is involuntary. Did somebody put a gun to those workers’ heads and make them take the job?

      • Vis Fac

        TODH Alex suffers for cerebral necrosis. He is like an old LP that skips back to a certain point over and over and over saying the same old BS.

        It is best to ignore him so he will crawl off and die as he will if no one pays attention.

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
        is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

      • mnkysnkle

        I don’t usually agree with Alex, but he has a good point here and may be more correct about slavery than most Americans would be willing to admit. That “gun to your head” could be something as simple as starvation, homelessness, or just being broke. There’s never been fair competition with imports as you can tell by the ridiculous tariffs imposed on them. Better known as subsidized imports. You can’t compete against that unless you move off shore. If a company exports to the U.S. a product that uses “slave labour” and destroys the environment, the tariff’s should reflect those violations. Or the product should not even be allowed into our country.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Typical pig at the trough, doesn’t grow its own food,or provide its own shelter but has the audacity to complain about the food that someone puts in the trough.

          • WTS/JAY

            That is so typical of these lazy, communist-swine at the trough, Nadzieja. They gobble everything up, and then blame the producers when it’s all gone!

          • mnkysnkle

            You should talk!! Three levels of government jobs!!! Let’s see, you sucked on the hind teat, then moved up to the wet teat, then finally the trough. Isn’t it nice to be a little piggy? Let me guess, you worked for the government because you couldn’t or you were afraid to…… “get a real job”!!!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          There should be no tariffs at all, Monkey. They are like Welfare for the Corporations and Government.
          http://mises.org/daily/1429
          “True, the workers in a “protected” industry may have higher wages than they otherwise would under free trade, but US consumers would be worse off because of higher prices. Most economists favor free trade because (at least under classical assumptions) when the government imposes a tariff, the monetary gains to the winners are outweighed by the monetary losses to the losers”.

          Read this Monkey and wake up:
          http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • mnkysnkle

            You really take the cake aboriginalDaveH. What makes you think I’m going to read a four hundred page compilation of abstract ideas from someone, about what capitalism is in her opinion? Being a P.R. director and analyst doesn’t give her any more credentials than being a community organizer does for barry. You rely on Mises pretty heavily, but you should realize they are not always right. And of course, neither am I, but I’m quite awake thank you. You are not the “sultan of smarts” that you think you are. By the way; an intellectual would know the difference between “mnkysnkle” and “monkey”. An “educated idiot” would not. WAKE-UP!!! What works out great on paper, almost always never works out in real life.

          • WTS/JAY

            Perhaps we should dispense with the paper-work/regulations?

          • mnkysnkle

            Regulations are needed, regulations that show favouritism to a select group or corporate entity are what we need to dispense with. We all play with the same ball, if you know what I mean.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Regulations are NOT needed. They are rules that are passed by unelected bureaucrats who are not even answerable to the voters. Congress should quit shirking their duties and pass Laws if they think certain events are wrong.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            aboriginalDaveH? Now where have I heard that before? NutCase? Do all of you Liberal Progressives use multiple IDs, NutCase?
            Her opinion? The author is a man, numbnuts. Obviously you haven’t bothered to put yourself out. How would you know whether the content was valid or not if you haven’t even read it?
            And these ignorant people, Folks, are the ones who want to run your lives.
            Thanks, Monkey, for revealing your ignorance.

          • mnkysnkle

            WOW…. Does your momma know she raised an idiot? How do you think I came up with aboriginal? Do you think I don’t read the other postings? You are definitely not the DaveH I conversed with before. My moniker is the same one I started with when I first signed up with Discus. It has never changed. My PLD moniker has never changed also and hasn’t been used since PLD began using Discus. Mr. Livingston can bear that out for you if you care to pursue it. As for your “gender confusion” about Kel Kelly, well maybe you can straighten that out with your shrink. The DaveH I first conversed with several years ago was an articulate, well spoken, and sometimes thought provoking person. The only similarities with him and you are that you use Von Mises as he did, but your comments don’t seem to be as well thought out as DaveH, and DaveH didn’t have the propensity for making false accusations that you seem to gleefully throw at other people. If I’m wrong, I bite the bullet and take my medicine. I don’t change my name and continue “shilling” as others so frequently do on these sites. Apparently, you wouldn‘t know a liberal if they slapped you upside your head………..Live long and perspire.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Imagine that, I bring a gun to your gunfight. I know that is not acceptable to advantage-seeking Liberal Progressives, but you’ll just have to learn to live with it, Monkey.

          • mnkysnkle

            I’m surprised at the hostility I elicited from you over my original comment about the possibility of Alex having some merit in his comment. It still stands. If people like you continue to ignore all the possible aspects to the problem, then your no different than the liberal/progressive (other names for socialists) that you berate. In your re-edited statement to my previous reply, you added another von Mises link along with a 500% increase in your reply. The most important thing that Murphy, Roberts, and Shumer fail mention is the unfairness of the tariffs. When we export to other countries, the tariff imposed on our products are often 100% and sometimes more. When those same countries export their goods to our country, the tariffs are usually 1 to 3%, and sometimes non existent. It seems to me, that’s a pretty BIG incentive for our industries to move out of our country. Don’t you think that if we are going to have tariffs, they should be at least FAIR? Who’s industries are we protecting? Certainly not ours. We’ve had tariffs ever since our constitution was established.

            By the way, if your the “original” DaveH, how come your not using the “original” moniker?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Hostility? Surely you joke, Monkey? Anybody who reads the comments can see who started with the hostility.

            Monkey says — “The most important thing that Murphy, Roberts, and Shumer fail mention is the unfairness of the tariffs”.
            The “unfairness” of the Tariffs is directly against the citizens of those countries who then must pay higher prices for their products, so that a minority of Crony Capitalists can benefit from the lesser foreign competition.

          • mnkysnkle

            You’re right! Anybody who reads this thread can see who started the ad hominem attacks and name calling. If you are going to bring your gun to a gun fight, you should at least bring some ammo. It seems that you and Mises are shooting a lot of blanks lately, and when you do have a solid round you miss the mark completely. Please continue to avoid the questions and post more irrelevant links, just more actions of a SHILL.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dumbass, who said “aboriginalDaveH”? And what did I do to deserve such infantile attack?

          • mnkysnkle

            Re-editing on your reply is a shill tactic dave.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Your ignorance is your curse–too bad for you.

    • WTS/JAY

      Ah, the ding-bat progressives; always projecting.

  • carl_AF

    Mr. Root, you have hit the nail squarily on the head. This 20% idea is true throughout the United States. When you get down to the nitty gritty there are 20% taking care of the other 80%. I am one of the 80% that retired from the 20% and am now being taken care of by my foresight and the present 20%. By the way, is your college transcripts available as is your famous classmate’s?

  • dan

    to destroy capitalism the Marist pResident first drives us into such debt that we declaire bankruptcy….then the World Bank reorganises us into the same mess they’ve made in Europe. The only way to destroy the USA is with weapons
    of finance.

    • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

      “…The Great Disruption”

      http://olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2012/01/great-correction-great-recession.html

      Get the fish securely on your line and then cut the line…

      • dan

        the end game is at hand….but then I’ve prepared for it since the sixties ,being of a sceptical nature ;)
        depend on no one and you’ll not be disappointed

        • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

          “(T)he end game is at hand….but then I’ve prepared for it since the sixties…”

          Same here.

          “…,being of a sceptical (sic) nature ;)”

          Again, same here, but more so since I worked for the government at all three levels. That old adage about “nothing causes you to lose your appetite like watching sausage being made” aptly applies.

          “(D)epend on no one and you’ll not be disappointed.”

          I have found that once I know a person’s weaknesses, I can trust them up to the point that their weakness begins to rear its ugly head. Then I have to remind them what happened to “Old Yeller” at the end of the book…

          • dan

            Still checking your archives…some good stuff there.
            Keep your powder dry ;)

  • red neck

    I read an article yesterday that there is a +20% increase in the number of people renouncing their US citizen ship in the past year, meaning that people are fed up with big government and intrusive regulations and they are moving aboard for a better way of life…. This is not surprising and it will only get worse when obama-care chokes the life out of the middle class, but that is exactly what obama wants to happen….

  • Chester

    How is it that the “financial first responders” you refer to aren’t the people who are actually starting up businesses, but the ones buying out startups, then closing them up and selling off the scraps while outsourcing the product? The actual financial first responders don’t want to close up shop, they want to expand, and do, until some big shark decides they look like a tasty bite. All too often, once that happens, the business that had been growing nicely suddenly starts breaking up as various operations are moved to places where the work can be done cheaper, then all the actual resources are sold off at fire sale prices so the “investors” can have a nice paper loss to use against all the gains they have elsewhere.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Chester, as usual you don’t know what you’re talking about.
      The people who buy up failing businesses can only do that because those companies’ managers have failed in their task. The so-called “sharks” were the good guys. I say “were” because it is much harder these days for anybody to buy a failing company from it’s unwilling Officers thanks to Big Government meddling. Government has interfered in the Free Markets to entrench the Political Entrepreneurs at the detriment of the Market Entrepreneurs who would rescue those failing companies and save jobs for their workers.
      When the so-called “sharks” break up a company, they carve it up into smaller more manageable pieces which can then be viable instead of dooming the whole company to failure:
      http://mises.org/journals/jls/9_2/9_2_6.pdf

      • Chester

        So Romney and company is a “good guy” when they buy up an up and running manufacturing company, one that was making a decent profit, close the factory, AFTER making the workers there train their Asian replacements, then move everything but the machinery overseas? Too many of those “SHARKS” do exactly that, take a company that has a decent amount of cash on hand, move the cash to an associated group, load up the buyout with debt from other places, then let it go bankrupt. So a few dozen, or hundred, people lose their livelihoods? Big deal, NOT! A dozen or so people added a few million to their net worth at the expense of all those jobs, and all the associated jobs. Get YOUR head out of the sand and look at what has happened in the real world, and not the world of the financial speculators.

        • Vis Fac

          Chester you need to rethink for a minute Take a fer of those and read what I posted below. I can’t expect you to understand why businesses outsource so Ill just let you enjoy your Asian car and Chinese knockoffs as I am sure you would rather buy that Chinese Garbage three times over than buy a “quality” domestically produced product once.

          Compare industry outsourcing to a snowball going down hill at first import sales were slow. Asian business policy is 1) get your foot in the door at all costs sell product cheaper than it costs to make and ship to get people hooked. 2) technology is “free market” Asians don’t abide by patent laws or believe in licensing and feel free to copy deigns and manufacturing techniques thus eliminating R&D costs garnering a higher profit margin add to that inexpensive labor and inferior materials you have a recipe for success Because Americans want a “deal” and buy the cheapest thing they can.3) Because people buy on the cheap momentum has reached the point that Domestic companies know that need to outsource to stay competitive there are no more domestically produced products.

          Then we have the outcry of no jobs I wonder why? People out of work demand the government step in- food stamps welfare social programs and to pay for all this TAX the business that the American people REFUSE to support. a recipe for the disaster we are now experiencing.

          So through higher taxation and regulation government is holding business’s head underwater and not letting it up to breathe. Jobs cannot be created if industry is dead. Think about it for a minute and let what I have said here sink in.

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
          is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme
          power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • Chester

            Wish I could AFFORD that nice shiny Japanese car, or a bunch of that crumble to dust at the first use Chinese stuff, but my very limited income says I drive whatever comes on the market the cheapest. At the moment is an old Windstar van that does, at best, about about twenty miles to the gallon. Try living on about a thousand a month, which is toward the high end of what a lot of retirees get blessed with, then tell us why we look for what will do the most for the least. As far as our Republic, it is as much a Republic as it ever was, and just about as much a Democracy as it ever was. The biggest problem now is that too many corporations count as people, and are allowed to buy politicians the way a few people used to do. Big problem there is the fact that corporations can buy wholesale what individuals used to buy one or two at a time.

          • Vis Fac

            If you are living on a $1K a month you chose the wrong career path, if you had chosen right you could have retired in comfort. You are where you are because you CHOSE to be, not because of someone else. Liberals are always blaming others for where they are and what they don’t have.

            I didn’t have any more opportunities than anyone else I succeeded because I made sacrifices and acted on opportunities that came my way. I stumbled and fell several times but got back up and tried again. That is the difference between you and I

            Opportunity is missed by most people because it is
            dressed in overalls and looks like work. Thomas Edison

            The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is
            too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. Michelangelo

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil
            is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme

            power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • Chester

            Not everyone has access to the opportunities that came your way, But, aside from that, who takes care of your garbage? Who makes sure you have clean, fresh water to drink every time you open a tap? Most of the people who do that for a living, and you CAN live off what you make doing those things, even if not like Bill Gates or Donald Trump, don’t see themselves as having missed a boat, the way you would have to claim they did. Granted, their retirement pay is going to look a lot like mine, and a lot of other people’s. Truth be known, I am better off than a number of people I know who are living simply on the social security they have EARNED. You say you sacrificed, and took advantage of opportunities as they arose. So have a lot of other people, but their opportunities weren’t as financially rewarding as yours.

          • Vis Fac

            Chester I can assure you that I am no different than the average Joe and NOTHING ever came my way or dropped in my lap. I was active in finding a career my first choice for a career was not available due to my age Yes there was and still is age discrimination. That didn’t mean I should give up. I worked my way int a position I found that I might excel at and sought admittance to several universities and institutions having a fist full of rejections, Again I didn’t give up I enrolled in a community college kept my grades up (despite being married working and a young son) I was able to parlay my grades and pass the admissions exam for a very prestigious technical university where I earned three engineering degrees almost simultaneously then applied to no less than 100 engineering firms. To make ends meet I did manual labor anything to make a dollar to feed the family. I was after a well recruited position in a paper mill for a project engineer position with at least 50 other will qualified candidates. I got the job because I demonstrated tenacity an asset lacking in society today.

            I don’t want to hear any sob story on how tough people have it or that have a low paying job. If you are unhappy with your situation you have the ability to change it. if yo don’t or too afraid then you are where you want to be.

            The sacrifices I made were due to the opportunities I created when working with vendors and contractors. I asked questions and offered proposals. I saved as much of my salary as I could knowing I would be starting my own firm sometime soon. We ate beans bread and soup for two years until enough cash came in to repay personal loans salaries for my at hat time two employees and enough working capital to bid on a few projects. The reason I was successful is because I wanted to be successful and planned accordingly There is no excuse for failure if one truly wants to succeed.

            Opportunity is missed by most people because it is
            dressed in overalls and looks like work.–Thomas Edison

            The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is
            too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. — Michelangelo

            Semper-Fi

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You situation, Chester, was not created by Free Markets. As the Liberal Progressive Shills like to point out when they think it is to their advantage — We haven’t had Free Markets for more than a century. Big Government has put you where you are.
            Read that book I linked to (Legalizing Capitalism) and come over from the Dark Side. It’s not too late to learn what’s really going on and how best to protect yourself.

          • WTS/JAY

            Perhaps Chester’s problem may not be in understanding simple-economics, it may be that Chester’s problem is reading-comprehension, or the English language. Maybe you should try speaking to him in “ding-bat”; the official language of the liberal-progressives!

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Chester says — “So Romney and company is a “good guy” when they buy up an up and running manufacturing company, one that was making a decent profit, close the factory, AFTER making the workers there train their Asian replacements, then move everything but the machinery overseas?”.
          If the company was run efficiently, Chester, Romney would not have been able to purchase it from the Shareholders. And it would be difficult for me to comment on your claimed event, since it is just conjecture on your part.
          If companies are moving overseas, it is due to Big Government draining their resources and stifling their productivity with burdensome regulations. Their alternative would be to just close their doors altogether.

          Chester says — “Get YOUR head out of the sand and look at what has happened in the real world, and not the world of the financial speculators”.
          Get my head out of the sand? I would pit my economic knowledge against yours any day, Chester.
          You should read this and get a clue (of course, I know you won’t):
          http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Thanks TODH, that was a great reply to a total ignoramus (whose name is Chester) of economic reality.
            Chester seems to believe that businesses exist to be feeder tanks for welfare. Workers don’t have to work but just arrive for the checks.

          • WTS/JAY

            Excellent rebuttal, DaveH!!!

      • Vis Fac

        Yes Dave another POSITIVE way to explain business dealings. Being rather successful and knowing I needed a strong management I earned my MBA and was able to recognize talent that could help grow the firm.
        My middle son ran the business after I retired then we he and I closed down because of taxes and over regulation so the business became unprofitable because clients are unwilling to support domestic industry. Our orders evaporated because industry was outsourcing overseas.
        These are issues liberals don’t or are unwilling to consider. The name of the game is survival and when the company cannot remain solvent from domestic sales downsizing is the common remedy. Another issue is people buying foreign made knockoff products, not only do they not support the US economy they are supporting a foreign nations economy,and due to solvency issues THEIR job is subject to being outsourced overseas.

        The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

        A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est

        Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Force says — “Another issue is people buying foreign made knockoff products”.
          Please don’t blame the consumers for what is caused by Big Government, Force. They are just trying to live as best they can when our Government is consuming 40% of our GDP and killing another 10% of our GDP with regulations.
          In a truly Free world economy, everybody would benefit from the Division of Labor that results in people everywhere being as productive as they can be. Only the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists would suffer from the lack of Special Privileges.

    • Vis Fac

      Chester; I started My own business I was approached several time to sell why? I posed a threat and was competition. I was well within my rights to sell if I wanted to no one forced me to sell so I stayed in business.

      Why are you demonizing fair trade? Isn’t a persons right to sell what he legally owns? If you had started a business and sold out would you feel the same?

      The fact is you have no drive to start a business you want a ‘safe and secure” job which there is no such thing. You don’t want to risk all that you own on a dream. You don’t want to make the sacrifices necessary to succeed. You don’t want to work 18+ hours a day for little or nothing to nurture your dream. You only want a paycheck paid by the person that had done the all the above, and then have ti gall to belittle those who ricked what they had to succeed.

      That says little for your character.

      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can
      best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunchwith a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Wayne says — “There is only one way to save America and turn around this economy. Celebrate and reward the financial first responders, meaning treat your top 20 percent the best and stop rewarding the bottom 20 percent”.
    There is a better way. Shrink Government dramatically. The rest will take care of itself:
    http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/144210931/Wayne-Crews-Ten-Thousand-Commandments-An-Annual-Snapshot-of-the-Federal-Regulatory-State-2013

    • whataworld37

      Dear DaveH,
      Above is an example of Alondra’s consistent racism on this site that you asked me for an example of a couple of days ago.
      Best, mark

      • JeffH

        mark, mark, mark or is it whataworld37 for today?

        You’re psychologically projecting again mark!

        What exactly did Alondra say in her post that was racial?

        Nothing!

        • mark

          The following is totally made-up racist dialogue that Alondra cut and pasted from a racist site and added some additional racist and insulting terms to: “Shanequa voted for the Kenyan Fraud FIVE time, and she gonna’
          stand on dat telephone wit her PANTS OFF til’ her man O’homobama give
          her a stimulus check and start making her mortgage and car loan payments
          – like he say he would!”

          This language is racist, degrading, and homophobic. And gutless Alondra is pretty good at posting it on the internet but would never say it in front of actual black people who would kick her butt after they first kicked in her teeth in.

          p.s. On the other problem, JeffH, something happened with the Disqus account system here that brought up an old user name. Can´t figure it out myself. Best, mark

          • JeffH

            Again mark, where is the racism in Alondra’s post…not what you percieve as racist but the actual racism.

            Racist dialogue? You’re nuts mark…it’s only racist in the eyes of a racist which you’ve proven through your own comments time and again that you are indeed a racist.

            But I do understand that DISQUS sucks…you’re not the first that’s happened too!

          • WTS/JAY

            mark always refers to posters on PLD as extremists. Isn’t that, racist?

          • Dave

            No Jay, its FACT… but racists are the worst people for identifying other racists because you agree with their racism
            Alondra will tell you herself, she is a homophobe, Islamaphobe etc..
            Phobia means an IRRATIONAL fear of someone or something or action.
            Now you boys and girls know what “irrational” means don’t you? Alondra is irrational by her own words

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            So now you’re Dave.

          • Dave

            Thank you… why yes I am Dave… I always have been… who are you today?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Alondra, as ALWAYS. Please spell my name correctly. TY

          • Dave

            Ok lets try it now..
            R-A-C-I-S-T
            There…

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            You forgot include: “phobe”, “truther”, “Tea party lover”.

            Your memory is short. It’s side effect from the liberal vaccination. Your immune system is much weakened.

          • Dave

            I like Irrational the best though… At least you are self-aware with your ignorance… self-aware and ignorant are rare combinations… you are like a white elephant in the heard.
            Congrats

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            1) Dave, I know that you, LibTards, are extremely jealous of conservatives’ intelligence.

            2) No, I am a WHITEY female.

          • Dave

            Yes, I want to hate things I don’t understand or can’t comprehend…
            If I could just be more like you…

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            If you would be at least a little like me, then you would have the HOPE, the TRUE hope without the “Change”

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: Yes, I want to hate things I don’t understand or can’t comprehend…

            Having a bad day, Dave?

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: I like Irrational the best though…

            Yes, we know, Dave.

          • WTS/JAY

            Yes, there you are, you racist.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Read this article

            RACISM CARD looking a LITTLE DOG-EARED
            http://www.humanevents.com/2013/08/14/racism-card-looking-a-little-dog-eared/

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: Thank you… why yes I am Dave… I always have been… who are you today?

            Maybe its time to put the bong down, Dave?

          • JeffH

            No Alondra, it’s not Dave…it’s ignorant Dave47D.(eddie47D’s brother from another mother.)

          • Dave

            Look… its racist, regressive Jeffrey…
            How are you today Jeffrey? I hope you have enough meds for racist Alondra

          • JeffH

            I’m doing well as always ignorant Dave47D. I see you’re still stupid…as always.

            regressive? POLLY WANT MORE CRACKERS?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As usual, Dave takes the thread to ad hominem attack.
            And these are the “compassionate” Liberal Progressives who want access to your life-plug.

          • mark

            Oh and: “typical ignorant Liberal Progressive,” isn’t an ad hominem attack of course.

          • Dave

            DaveH is above such folly Mark….
            High brow all the way from DaveH, the paid shill from mises…

          • WTS/JAY

            Another ad-hominem.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I bring a gun to your gun fights, mark. Get used to it.
            I’m sorry but I just don’t feel enough compassion for you guys to lay down and let you walk on me.
            So cry me a river, Liberal Progressive whiner.

          • Dave

            Its good to know you throw in with the other racists DaveH.
            What does Phobia mean in conservativeland DaveH?

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: No Jay, its FACT… but racists are the worst people for identifying other racists because you agree with their racism

            So, are you saying you’re a racist, Dave?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, just a typical ignorant Liberal Progressive attempt at manipulation.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Oh, Manipulation is the Dems/Libs’ Domain. In their PERVERT mind the Manipulative LIES sound “better” – more “true & reliable”.

            Mark and Dave are an excellent example of that.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            JeffH, you are scaring mark by your gun, so do not expect his comeback.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            JeffH, you are scaring mark by your gun, so do not expect his comeback.

          • mark

            Oh yeah, I’m really terrified by that gun. But seriously, what Alondra does that is clearly racist is that she takes the worst possible examples of bad behavior by some African Americans and tries to present them as the behavior of the great majority of African Americans. She also appeals to the worst possible negative stereotypes that white Americans have towards black Americans in her youtube links and hateful cut and pastings from various hate sites. This is classic racism: blame the majority for the actions of a minority.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Mark, I recognized you. You look exactly as I thought.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA0kMK_XVHw#at=46

          • Dave

            More Ad hominems…
            what a sad little racist you are.

          • WTS/JAY

            ad-hominem

          • Dave

            Not if its true Jay… Alondra admits her racism and prejudices… Do you not read her posts or do you draw straws to see which one of you says the next dumb comment?

          • WTS/JAY

            ad-hominem

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Are you offended that you are WHITEY ???
            Or you aren’t?

          • Dave

            No, I just laugh at your ignorance…please post more… Everyone knows the racists are majority conservative and you confirm it along with your buddies.
            What size is your robe grand wizard?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Dave: “Everyone knows the racists are majority conservative and you confirm it along with your buddies.”
            A.V. Dave, so the Libtardic minority along with you ALL are RACISTS.

            Dave: “What size is your robe grand wizard?”
            A.V. – One size fits all

            Dave: “I just laugh at your ignorance…please post more..”
            A.V. I am glad you find the place where you can laugh. I understand why you don’t want to go to “MoveOn”, “Daily Kos”, CNN, HuffPost, MSNBS, et.al. There you want to CRY. I am not going there for more than 3 years.

            So, dear Mark, stay tunned for more laugh. I promise you I am going to post more on this Web.

            For now have a fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-3wC7gkMDQ

            Best Regards,
            ALONDRA

          • WTS/JAY

            Another ad-hominem by mark.

          • mark

            No, don’t you know what an ad-hominem attack is? That would be if I insulted Alondra in some very personal way regarding her looks, intelligence, body weight, or called her some ugly personal slur with exclamation points. I simply stated quite calmly and rationally what she does on this site nearly every day that is by definition racist behavior.

          • WTS/JAY

            But you are guilty of the same, mark. So who are you to point the finger?

          • Dave

            On the same token, Who are you to point any fingers since you, Alondra, JeffH, DaveH, Force Recon all love to personally attack anyone who disagrees with you. When you fix that little problem when you look in the mirror, then maybe there can be a higher level of discussion. But then again, people like W.A.R would never stand for that.

          • WTS/JAY

            So you admit, that you engage in racist behaviour? But again, your comment is an attack, as all your comments are, against anyone who disagrees with you. I seriously doubt a mirror would do you, any good, mark.

          • Dave

            Please cite my racist behavior…
            My distain for Alondra’s racism does not make me a racist… afterall it is her attitude that would compromise another’s civil liberties… not mine.
            I don’t care what religion you are, what color your skin tone is or if you love someone of the same sex… That is why I am a liberal.
            Conservatives on the other hand, push things like outlawing same sex marriage, a Muslim youth center on the island of Manhattan and voter suppression laws in TX and NC to protect the white good ole boy network.
            If you identify yourself as a conservative of the social side, this is your record… Its not my fault it stinks.

          • WTS/JAY

            You have yet to prove she’s a racist, mark. So one can only surmise that you are “projecting”!

          • Dave

            Alondra:
            “I am a proud homophobe, Islamophobe…”
            Do you need a flaming cross in her yard to spell it out for you JeffH?

          • WTS/JAY

            She was being facetious, dumbbell. But then again, “context” is not a word that you would find in “See Spot Run”.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            “The heart of fools PROCLAIMS FOOLISHNESS.” – King
            Solomon (Proverbs 12:23)

            Mark, WHY you, Liberals always dismissing and twisting the REAL FACTS.

            I NEVER said this, nor Nadzieja Batki did:

            “It was the most memorable time of my life. It was a touching moment because I never THOUGHT THIS DAY WOULD EVER HAPPEN. I won’t have to worry about PUTTING GAS IN MY CAR I won’t have to worry about PAYING MY MORTGAGE. You know, IF I HELP HIM, HE’S GONNA HELP ME.”
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg98BvqUvCc

            Mark, you are welcomed to call me RACIST. But you
            and your ilk can’t swallow the simple fact that I am exposing you by your OWN words.

            “Great is TRUTH, and mighty above all things.” 2Ezdra 4:41

            P.S. I am a Homophobe and islamophobe, but not racist.

            Alondra

          • Vis Fac

            Alondra: — Facts to a liberal are those that are pulled out of thin air to swathe their ineptness on all things rational. Liberal one dimensional idiot-ology dictates they make things up as they go so they can blame others for their failures. Nothing is ever their or their party’s fault So whenever they have trouble defending and/or nothing to substantiate their positions they simply fall back on the Federal Board for Blaming Bush Reagan or whomever or revert to character assassination.. Then all their liberal inadequacies are soon to be forgotten

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph
            of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president… Sadly our republic no longer exists…
            A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

          • mark

            Don’t sell yourself short, Alondra, you are a racist, too. Always picking out the worst possible representations of black people you can find and presenting them like they are the norm, like they represent all black people. This is classic racism. I know many rabid anti-Christians who do the same. They deliberately pick out every example of a pedophile priest or of a fraudulent, womanizing evangelical minister and throw it in your face as if to say this is what all you Christians are – a bunch of corrupt, Bible-quoting, lying hypocrites. But you and I both know that isn’t true. The majority of Christians, of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers are good people trying their best to live right. It is unjust and immoral to stigmatize the majority of folks over the wrongful actions of a minority – even when those latter actions are documented and on youtube.

          • WTS/JAY

            Yet another ad-hominem by mark.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Oh, just look at this pitiful stupid ignoramus. He is shaming me.

            Deluded one, my family and my friend, as well as a waste majority on this Web, share my view regarding
            PERVERTS and DEPRAVED and the Satan’s religion.

            How you want to bite me, coward pathetical imbecilic, but you can’t, because you are sooooo STUPID and Sick.

            So, Keep yapping Coward, Delusional PITIFUL SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC. That all that left for you.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            This is you, PITIFUL SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNudrCcDvwQ

          • Nadzieja Batki

            So now you are making threats, so when we run into someone like you we should bring an armed bodyguard.
            What a stupid human being or should I just say stupid spawn you are. You don’t have to read Alondra’s comments or any others for that matter.

          • WTS/JAY

            Character assassination attempt by mark.

          • Dave

            Alondra…. Character…. That’s too funny
            Now run along little racist conservative.. (redundant)

          • WTS/JAY

            Ad-hominem…

          • Dave

            that’s true… I should not say that… all conservatives are not racist but all racists are conservative.
            But Alondra, she is a racist and she even admits it. Are you calling her a liar?

          • WTS/JAY

            If its any consolation mark, i would never call you, a liar.

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave…claims to run a business…yet spends all day blogging…That’s too funny! Now run along, dead-beat..(redundant)

          • Dave

            smoking the fruit loops again from your mom’s basement again Jay?

          • WTS/JAY

            Projecting, mark?

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          JeffH says: “mark, mark, mark or is it whataworld37 for today?”

          This is just one more evidence that liberals have an IDENTITY CRISIS like their Illegal pRESIDENT, who does not know who he is: Barack Hussein Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro a.k.a. Barrack Obama a.k.a. Barrack Dunham a.k.a. Barry Dunham a.k.a. Barry Soebarkah a.k.a. Barak Mounir Ubayd a.k.a. HARRISON J. BOUNEL

          Mark, please do not scream RACIST. It’s not me. It’s him, barry.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Whatever you say, it does not glue to my butt. No one cares what you are talking about.

            What are you doing – just exposing your wickedness and weakness.

            So, So, Keep yapping Delusional PITIFUL SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC. That all that left for you.

            P.S. Oh, be sure, America is “very proud” of you.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        mark, you did not like YOUR Lady Libery, so it makes me racist.

        Did I get your point right?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        But you are a racist, mark. Why do you see the color in people’s remarks when you ignore the stupidity and character deficiency in people of any color? Blacks can be evil as well, so your making excuses won’t change the reality.
        You also have reading comprehension problems since the article is about economic first responders.

      • WTS/JAY

        mark, official member of the KKK, arbitrarily accusing people of racism. Now that’s rich!

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    A shocking video featuring a boy praying to the “anointed one”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-YI4813_v-E
    And 416 thumbs Up.

    Do his parents know about Detroit?

    WARNING: Before to watch this, you have to go to pee-pee to be dry.

    South Central PROTEST
    Shanequa voted for the Kenyan Fraud FIVE time, and she gonna’ stand on dat telephone wit her PANTS OFF til’ her man O’homobama give her a stimulus check and start making her mortgage and car loan payments – like he say he would! http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/81053599/

    P.S. Doesn’t she looks like Lady Liberty?

    • Average_Joe56

      My eyes! My eyes!……boric acid won’t clean that image from my eyes….let alone my mind….I think I’m going to be ill……yuk!
      *Those poor police officers….. Talk about having a bad day…..

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Joe, Mark and Dave will say you are RACIST and anti-American.

        But In my humble opinion “Those poor police officers” “acted
        stupidly”, because you and People on this board paid for the Police’s “guard of honor” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPoszz2H9UE

        I am just surprise that they did not salute “Lady”. Probably they were tempted by…

        Well, you know by whom.

        P.S. Joe, please the next time do not be excessively sensitive and compassionate.

        • Average_Joe56

          I don’t know how they could consider me racist….the last time I checked….ugly and disgusting…weren’t considered … a race.
          One of the Lee sisters…Ug Lee…Hoam Lee and Butug Lee.
          ;)

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Joe, you got ONE vote down, and I got TWO. It’s not fair.
        Just kidding, but you know who is trolling us. Don’t you?

        If you want to avoid “downs”, so you must to stop reply my comments and stop to give me Ups. You know, not all associations are good.

        BTW, how is your cat? Still vote democrat?

        • Average_Joe56

          Ha ha…I caught up! I got two now…YAY!!!!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            From the same ego-centric PSYCHOPATH

          • Average_Joe56

            I wouldn’t have it any other way…don’tcha know…..
            ;)

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            his name is Yo boob666, the “freemason of the 13
            generation out of 14” by his own admission.

            Do not freemasons practice Satanism?

          • Bob666

            Yo Pigsty (AKA Boboon)
            What kind of moronic propaganda do you have today-I need a good laugh.

            Remember a couple of weeks ago where you went around accusing me of impersonating both you and little Samurai for three days?

            Let me remind you Boboon, that Bob L. called you out and corrected you. But is was funny to see you babble like a complete fool for three days. Keep posting-the world needs more humor and you provide it with every post.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep yapping Envious Coward Delusional
            PITIFUL EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH.

          • Bob666

            I’m just feeling the Love Pork Chop!!!!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep squeaking Envious Coward Delusional
            PITIFUL EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH.

          • Bob666

            Envious of what-You?

            Highly unlikely-I am sane and deal with facts-Not Propaganda. How is you hero Putin today? Is he returning any of your calls?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Oh, you missed you med today, Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC.

            It’s not good. But KEEP squeaking Envious Coward Delusional PITIFUL EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH.

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Yep, you right. Everyone knows that you are SICK Delusional PSYCHOPATH, who is spewing his odium around.

          But it not surprise for us. So Keep yapping Envious, Coward, Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC.

          P.S. You forgot to do your job – click “downs” on my post.
          So go to work. You has to earn your carrot.

    • Karolyn

      And this is relevant how?

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Not for your liberal cripple brain to understand.
        First seek psychiatric help, then ask question.

        • Dave

          ad hominem

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            No. Just the TRUTH, the WHOLE Truth and nothing, but the TRUTH.

          • Dave

            You know nothing about truth… you know lies, slander, racism and how to be mentally unstable… that’s about all you know.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Thank you for the liberal lamebrained “truth”.

          • Dave

            More ad hominem

          • WTS/JAY

            ad-hominem

          • WTS/JAY

            Tell us a little more about yourself, Dave.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Jay, you are funny. How he can tell you something at gun point?

          • Dave

            Why Jay,
            Its clear that conservatives do not listen, understand or comprehend anything that falls away from their conservatives play book. They also don’t deal in shades of grey in any issue so I will not tell you more… Just continue calling me the names you have been so everything can see your ignorance on display.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            P L A G I A R I S M !!!
            You change the word “liber” on “conservative”.
            As always cheating.

          • WTS/JAY

            Proof?

          • Dave

            O L I G A R C H Y!!!!!!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            N O N S E N S E !!!

          • WTS/JAY

            T R U T H !!!

          • Dave

            E C C L E S I A S T I C AL!!!!!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Yeah. It’s not surprise for me that some MENTALY ILL Liberals are carrying LDD (Liberal Dyslexia Disorder) symptoms, such as mad KRAZINESS and total INSANITY.
            You are an excellent example of that.

            But what left to you? JUST yapping as a Delusional, PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC PSYCHOPATH as you are.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Just in your dream. I told that you are veeeery STUPID, that you even do not know what number is higher – 7 or 4.

            But it’s OK. Keep barking, deluded one.

            BTW, WHY would not you help your spiritual mistress with “Ups”?

            P.S. I care less that you are voting “down” 3-4 times. For me is important that men like JeffH, Average_Joe, Samurai, Motov, Indepandent Thinker, Frank Kahn, Alan, MexicansaysLibtardsRpukes, WTS/JAY, Nadzieja, wagontrain, Al Chemisy and some Guests are voting “Up”. And this FACT is irritating you. But you keep voting for yourself and Mentally PERVERT like you Karolyn.

            So, keep squeaking and spinning and gritting your teeth (if you have any) it your odium. Your hate just poisons your body and pollutes your mind.

            Keep exposing your ignorance and a total stupidity and hate. I am done with you, pathetic Yo Moron000 “of the 13 generation out of 14”. Seek HELP.

          • Bob666

            Well Boboon,
            I guess we have to endure three days of you accusing me of posting to you under that name? You do know that BOB L. will come out once again and correct you.

            Sad, very, very Sad.

          • WTS/JAY

            ad-hominem

          • WTS/JAY

            Dave: so everything can see your ignorance on display.

            You’re stating the obvious, Dave.

          • Dave

            No doubt Jay, no doubt.

          • WTS/JAY

            You still don’t get it?

          • Dave

            Get you???
            Your ignorance is an easier read than a “See Spot Run” book.

          • WTS/JAY

            Having difficulty with “See Spot Run”, Dave?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            C O N G R A T S for accepting the truth.

          • Dave

            Yes, that you are a racist….

          • WTS/JAY

            ad-hominem

          • Dave

            “everyone” not everything

          • WTS/JAY

            duh!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Freudian Slip? Your real opinion of people, elitist pig?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            That is the LIE, the WHOLE lie and nothing, BUT the LIE!!!

          • WTS/JAY

            You’re a bone-head

          • Dave

            ad hominem

          • WTS/JAY

            ad hominem

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          What is important that you understood.

          But please, Keep yapping Coward, Delusional PITIFUL SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC. You have to keep yourself busy.

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    I got e-mail from Rand Paul:

    “The National Association for Gun Rights has collected over 1,520,000 signed surveys against this global gun grab with tens of thousands more pouring in each week!”

    If you would like to take and sign Official Firearms Sovereignty Survey Go to the link I provide: http://www.nagr.org/UN_RP_Survey1b.aspx?roi=echo3-16575918425-14201412-79e034f75150a015221532539e3a6248&pid=ws8

    PLEASE PASS IT ON. TY

    • Vis Fac

      I got the same one I am a life member of the NRA and NAGR This UN gun grab is unconstitutional and anyone thinking we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. — A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!
      Congress is a rubber stamp and only interested in retaining power over the people further eroding our once republic status.
      Our government comprised of mostly liberals are afraid of its own people so far as wanting to disarm us and leave us defenseless. This is TYRANNY the reason for OUR second amendment. “Those who would give up freedom for perceived security deserve neither” Benjamin Franklin
      The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

      A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…A democracy can
      best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est

      Semper-Fi

      • Dave

        If you two are finished… maybe you should read the UN document… It states that their rule that is aimed at curbing illegal arms sales between countries does not trump the internal laws the individual countries.
        But please continue…

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          Dave, If we are finished, then how we can to read?
          You told me you do not believe in resurrection.

          P.S. I am puzzled a little bit. Why aren’t you screaming “RACISTS”?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Who cares what do you think?
            But anyway, keep yapping PITIFUL EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Who cares what do you think?

            Keep yapping Envious, Coward, Delusional,
            PITIFUL, SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC.

          • Bob666

            Yo Stars,
            Thought you were going to register an account and stay for a while? engage them with reason-not torment-they torment them selves quite well.

        • Vis Fac

          Have you ever heard of a foot in the door? What or who is to determine what a “legal firearm is? Remember the to do regarding the definition of an “assault rifle’ vis-a-vis Personal protection weapon used by DHS?

          They are the same

          Exhibit A – The Government Definition of a Personal Defense Weapon

          Let me introduce Exhibit “A” otherwise known as the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement,
          Personal Defense Weapons Solicitation. Solicitation Number HSCEMS-12-R-00011

          According to this requisition request, the Federal Government’s Department of Homeland Security,
          office of ICE defines a Personal Defense Weapon as a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm.

          Section C – DESCRIPTION/SPECIFICATIONS/STATEMENT OF WORK

          This section has a couple of items of particular note that directly contradicts Feinstein’s proposed legislation.

          3.9.2 – The action shall be select-fire (capable of semi-automatic and automatic fire).

          3.9.10 – The action shall be capable of accepting all standard NATO STANAG 20 and 30 round M16 magazines (NSN 1005-00-921-5004) and Magpul 30 round PMAG (NSN 1005-01-576-5159). The magazine
          well shall be designed to allow easy insertion of a magazine.

          3.10.1 – The fire control selector shall have three positions; safe, semi-automatic, and automatic.

          3.12.1 – The overall length of the firearm shall not exceed 30 inches with the stock fully extended.

          3.12.2 – The overall length of the firearm shall not exceed 20 inches with the stock fully retracted and/or folded.

          3.14.3 – The barrel shall be equipped with a flash suppressor and/or muzzle brake. The muzzle device will be rated on its ability to reduce muzzle signature. It is desired that the muzzle device effectively reduces muzzle rise during firing.

          3.16.1 – The pistol grip shall be a fixed, vertical pistol grip constructed of a durable material.

          3.18.3 – The forend shall be constructed of durable, heat resistant material.

          3.21.1- Magazines shall be compatible with standard NATO STANAG M16 design.

          3.21.2 – The magazine shall have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5.56x45mm NATO rounds.

          3.21.3 – Two (2) magazines shall be supplied with each firearm shipped under contract. These, along with other specs are all requirements the government uses to define a Personal Defense Weapon. So let’s take a look and see how Feinstein’s 2013 Assault
          Weapon Ban compares.

          Feinstein’s legislation seeks to ban the sale, transfer, manufacturing and importation of:

          All semiautomatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and have at least one military feature: pistol grip; forward grip; folding, telescoping, or detachable stock; grenade launcher or rocket launcher; barrel shroud; or threaded barrel.

          (3.12.1, 3.12.2,3.16.1, 3.18.3)

          All semiautomatic rifles and handguns that
          have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

          (3.9.10) All ammunition feeding devices (magazines,
          strips, and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

          (3.21.2, 3.21.3) It also moves from a two-characteristic threshold to a one-characteristic test—this has to be
          the craziest part of the entire proposal. This makes it illegal to own weapons with features such as a muzzle break or flash suppressor (3.14.3), thumb hole or adjustable stock (3.14.3) or threaded barrel (3.14.3).

          This sounds as if Feinstein and her cronies believe that a gun—with all of the exact same capabilities—suddenly becomes more lethal if it has a quick detach bayonet mount, a plastic pistol grip or the stock is changed to a thumb hole or adjustable model. Would a ban on muzzle breaks or flash suppressors have
          stopped a mass shooting? Really? Are they so misinformed as believe this will stop or reduce future tragedies?

          Of course not. This legislation has nothing to do with mass shootings. It does not now, nor did it ever. Even by government standards, Feinstein’s/UN proposed legislation is overreaching and classifies everyday sporting arms as assault weapons.

          The best personal defense aid is equitable or superior to whatever may be used against me, you, or us. Why did so many settlers flee Europe or their other homelands? The 2nd amendment was ratified, to ensure the public would be equipped to fight against an army (British generally at that time) to ensure the greedy whims of the monarchy would have no power in the new world. The purpose of the 2nd amendment was to ensure the wealthy (our politicians) didn’t tyrannize and take advantage of the poor to the point
          of war or revolution in which you-know-who loses and remains or becomes enslaved.

          The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

          A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…Our republic no longer exists…
          A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est

          Semper-Fi

          • Dave

            Force,
            Your conjecture is just that. Since its obvious you have not read the UN document, I will chalk your post up to extreme ignorance… But its nothing new from you.

          • Vis Fac

            DUMB DAVE What if any part of the UN do you see as trustworthy or worthwhile?

            We should have abandoned our involvement at its inception We shouldn’t have even considered membership in the first place

            It does not adhere to its charter and is an all consuming money hole and a quagmire of amorality

            1) To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;–Since the UN is such a fine organization you will notice there are no conflicts wars or senseless killings occurring at this time Right? BZZZZT wrong strike one

            2) To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;– Tell this to Syria Israel Egypt Libya Africa Chechnya Serbia the list goes on BZZZZT wrong strike two

            3) To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion—Yeah Right who are you trying to kid It’s everyone for themselves to get as much as they can get forget respect and human rights it’s about the money BZZZZT Wrong Strike Three

            On to the Bonus Round

            4) To be a center for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends. As there is no peace and harmony in the world the UN is a colossal failure All of the above CHARTER POINTS are not being achieved And you still think I am full of conjecture? If you do your head is nothing but a vacuum
            The UN is a waste of time and real estate in New York It does not adhere to its Charter and in many ways is the reason for world dysfunction!

            The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph
            of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing–Edmund Burke

            A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president…

            Our republic no longer exists because we have an omnipotent self centered clown in the Oval office who is as unconstitutional as anyone can be. Anyone thinking we still live in a republic had best take notice of what OUR elected officials are doing WITHOUT OUR consent. — A republic is defined as a state in which supreme power is held by the PEOPLE and their elected representatives Our republic no longer exists because the people no longer have power!

            …A democracy can best be described as two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch with a well armed sheep contesting the vote! This too shall be a fond memory for our rubber stamp liberally controlled congress is eagerly waiting to disarm us.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est

            Semper-Fi

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Maybe you should link to that document, Shill Dave, since you have no credibility.
          Never mind, here it is:
          http://treaties.un.org/doc/Treaties/2013/04/20130410%2012-01%20PM/Ch_XXVI_08.pdf#page=21
          Notice this seemingly innocuous phrase:
          “For the purposes of this Treaty, the activities of the International Trade comprise export, import, transit, trans-shipment and brokering, hereafter referred to as “transfer””.
          Imagine what they could do with that one, considering what they have done with the “General Welfare Clause”.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Are you afraid of Rand Paul?
      Of cause the TRUTH for the Libtards is “rudeness.
      But you free to express your DISJOINT diarrheic nonsense, delusional PSYCHOPATH.

  • hungry4food

    More stress on a Consumer driven Economic recovery .

    USDA’s Expenditures
    on Children by Families shows the cost to raise a child born in 2012 from
    birth to age 17 is $241,080 ($301,970 adjusted for projected inflation).

    http://www.cattlenetwork.com/e-newsletters/drovers-daily/USDA-report-estimates-cost-to-raise-a-child-born-in-2012-is-241k-219608551.html

  • dumpster dave

    What will be your fate America?
    by BRADLEE DEAN on AUGUST 12, 2013 Print This Post
    “First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me—
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.”
    ― Martin Niemöller
    Bradlee Dean warns of horrific history repeating in America if justice is not wrought through We the People:
    Tagged as: big government, Bradlee Dean

    • Average_Joe56

      Not to take away the relevance of the statement:

      “First they came…” is a famous statement and provocative poem attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the sloth of German intellectuals following the Nazis’ rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group. There is some disagreement over the exact wording of the quotation and when it was created; the content of the quotation may have been presented differently by Niemöller on different occasions.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came

  • Dave

    According to Libertarians like WAR we won’t be free until.
    1) let corporations pollute as they wish
    2) eliminate all spending on public infrastructure
    3) Stop investing in education
    4) Let Employers pay below poverty wages
    5) End SS and let the elderly fend for themselves
    6) let the sick fend for themselves.
    7) Let Wall Street police itself.
    8) Eliminate worker safety laws
    9) Eliminate the voting rights act

    Sad but true from the regressive party

    • WTS/JAY

      What is this, Dave, your Christmas wish list?

      • Dave

        Nope, its called a disaster for the country or as DaveH puts it… utopia.

        • WTS/JAY

          Did you mean to write Dope, or Smoke?

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        This is his Birth Day Wish List.

        • Dave

          Please do not denigrate DaveH’s ideology Alondra and Jay. He gets mighty upset when you call out his ideology like that. he will take you off the mises.org Christmas catalog list if you don’t watch yourselves.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Like a Virgin.
            An eighth grade Virgin.
            You’re pretty pathetic, Shill Dave, but then it’s good for innocent readers to see your comments and wake up to the reality of Liberal Progressives.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Liberal DISJOINTEDNESS is amazing

        • WTS/JAY

          Hmm, he graduated from sponge-bob to a greedy-capitalist. Always suspected sponge-bob was bad news.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      1) A lie.

      2) a good start considering that many people are paying for Government “infrastructure” that they will never use:
      http://archive.mises.org/7864/the-ineptness-of-centralized-planning/

      3) No. Stop Government meddling in the Education of our Children. The potential for mischief should be obvious to anybody who isn’t a brain-dead Liberal Progressive:
      http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

      4) The alternative is NO Wage.

      5) An equivocation. The elderly would be grandfathered in. The young would be Free to subscribe to SS or not.

      6) No. Get the meddling Government out of our Healthcare Choices so that people have a choice, rather than oftentimes none at all because Government Meddling has driven the prices sky-high:
      http://mises.org/daily/5066
      http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/publications/waiting-your-turn-2012.pdf

      7) No. Get the Government out of it, so they can’t protect their Crony Capitalists with favorable regulations. The investors will police Wall Street. Investors are much more ruthless than any Crony Politician would ever be (with your tax money). To wit — The TARP bailouts by Crony Politicians:
      http://mises.org/daily/4762

      8) Like companies are going to purposely risk losing their employees and having to replace them at great cost. I guess Shill Dave doesn’t think those workers’ skills are valuable enough for the companies to care. On the other hand, I place great value in the skills of the American Workers.

      9) A lie.

      • Dave

        1) What stops them corporatist Dave?

        2) If Corporatists like DaveH had their way, the interstate system, the railways, the air grid and the internet would have never been built.
        3) Yes, because the private sector knows all about setting education standards… tell me where they set the standards DaveH.
        4) A lie, better trade regs would stop “free trade” with countries that pay workers pennies on the dollar.
        5) BS, you would never have SS in the first place and before SS, the poverty rate among the elderly was significantly higher.
        6) Large private HC firms with no Gov involvement have such a great history of quality HC. DaveH, tell us all about the successful 100% private systems in the industrialized world.
        7) So Wall Street would be just fine without regulations because Wall Street is all knowing, all moral in DaveH’s eyes… I see.
        8) maybe you can tell me when corporations put in safety regs without being pushed by the Gov to do so and being held accountable DaveH?
        9) “a lie” DaveH, you said that the Gov’s only role is to protect citizens from attack internally and externally so laws like the voting rights act would never get passed and states like NC could impose their racist agenda at will. You sir are lying yet again.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          As usual, disreputable Dave must resort to slander. But the jokes on you, Shill Dave, because the readers know you have no credibility and you reinforce that every time you make your ignorant accusations.
          It probably sounds odd to the knowledgeable readers that Shill Dave would work so hard to protect the Crony Capitalists with his misinformation. But that is what he obviously is hired to do, because the Crony Capitalists’ worst nightmare is Free Markets where the Politicians have no way to give them Special Privileges.

          Shill Dave says — “you said that the Gov’s only role is to protect citizens from attack internally and externally so laws like the voting rights act would never get passed and states like NC could impose their racist agenda at will”.
          How funny. Shill Dave is so ignorant that he probably doesn’t even know that he contradicted himself in the same sentence. How could a “state” like NC impose their racist agenda without the Force of Big Government? You’re pathetic, Shill Dave.

          • Dave

            LOL… When DaveH has nothing, he changes the subject…
            Whay don’t you anser the questions I gave you Corporatist?
            You can’t because you know you will be caught in more lies…
            Without the Gov, there is nothing to stop corporations from polluting at will…
            What safety regulations would a company voluntarily put in place?
            You can’t answer the questions DaveH. You are exposed for the fraud you are. Now go back and count your mooney from Mises that they pay you for misleading and lying to the conservatives here that drink your kool aid Shill/Corporatist DaveH

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shill Dave says — “Without the Gov, there is nothing to stop corporations from polluting at will”.
            Laws against polluting, Ignoramus Shill Dave. That’s what. When a company violates those Laws, then they will be judged and punished.
            Laws are passed by elected officials (Congress) who are accountable to the public. Regulations are passed by unelected officials who are NOT accountable to the public.
            Did I explain that simply enough for your pea-brain to grasp, Shill Dave?

            And in your original comment, Shill Dave, you said — “According to Libertarians like WAR we won’t be free until.1) let corporations pollute as they wish”.
            That was a lie. And chances are that you knew it was a lie. Libertarians do believe in victims of pollution seeking remedy from polluters because it is a trespass on their bodies and property.
            The problem with you, Shill Dave, is that you have no credibility.

          • Dave

            Hey DaveH
            According to you, the Gov is out of that business. Remember, Defense of the country from extrernal and internal threats…That is it…
            Those laws don’t exist in your fantasyworld.
            You are attempting to BS people and I caught you. Your BS libertarian/corporatist nonsense was just exposed as the BS it is.
            We know what you are about Corporatist shill DaveH, no use getting angry about it and engaging in ad hominem attacks against me. I just trashed your whole theory. Ponder that if you can.
            Enjoy your day, Shill DaveH8.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I said the only legitimate role of Government is to protect people from Force, internal or external, Shill Dave.
            You are just doing what immoral Liberal Progressive do — putting words in my mouth.

    • Daniel Profit

      most of these things are taking place

    • Robert Messmer

      Item 9 is not germane to the discussion, and as far as I could see was not mentioned in the article. In case you haven’t noticed the government allows pollution as long as the corporations pay the shake down money. What is the difference between ending SS (and allowing the workers to invest their money as they see fit) and having SS bankrupt as it is or will be depending upon which group of experts you wish to believe? Oh yes the second scenario, the one we are in, allowed/allows the government to extort more money from the citizens.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Marlene Moulthrop says — “The so called job providers and investors are profiting a the risk of the lower and middle classes. The republican solution is to cut taxes; thus, profits will trickle down. Tried that for 12 years and what happened to the trickle?”.
    How do the job providers and investors profit at the “risk” (expense?) of the lower and middle classes, Marlene, unless your advocated Big Government is aiding and abetting them? If we had Free Markets (no thanks to your kind) the companies would have no choice but to please the consumers or perish. How does a company in a Free Marketplace take advantage of anybody since the customers do not have to buy their products?

  • John King

    Wayne Allyn Root…you have all the words I wish I had when in a heated conversation!

  • Daniel Profit

    Who wants to invest when? Obama is the Dictator of America voted in by the media brain washed population. He runs the country using the IRS, NSA and DOJ like his very own personal KGB ! Any one including the press that does not fallow his way of thinking is targeted and terminated , persecuted or arrested. All of America agrees with his approach to running the country because they accept Lois Learner taking the 5th. The American people accept that the military were told to stand down and not rescue the US ambassador and personnel in Benghazi. The Obama administration will not even respond to requests by our elected officials for information about these and other constitutional violations. SO GET ON YOUR KNEES AND WORSHIP OBAMA with the rest of America. No one will push the issue because he is the first Black president so he is allowed to murder and get away with it . Look at what happens every time a whistle blower Tries to blow the whistle on any government corruption , instantly they are arrested, persecuted or just disappear. LONG LIVE OBAMA !!!!!!!!!!!

  • Daniel Profit

    Obama’s main objective is to destroy the middle class ! He is doing this by spending so much more than could ever be created by taxes! So as the gov. attempts to pay the the debt by increasing taxes we will all be put in the poor house. The privately owned and operated central bank known in America as the FED, loves this direction of the Obama regime because it will bankrupt the country and allow them to usher in the amero or one world currency. Thus sucking the remaining wealth out of the nation. America will soon be a third world country with a vast amount of poor people and a small number of very rich. A country that has allowed a private company to print its own money and then loan it back to them at interest for the last 100 years has created such corruption in it’s financial system and made it’s entire population nothing more than slaves to the ultra rich that own and control all the wealth. We elect politicians / representatives and they go to Washington not to represent us and our constitutional freedoms, no they get there and turn their backs on us and join the elite bankers club. If they don’t join, then they are assassinated or blackmailed until they do what they are told. Freedom as we know it ended when our government made this pact with the devil in 1913. The one president that mentioned doing away with the central bank was killed at the grassy knoll. Just think about all that interest we pay on our national debt all to some private company that cant even be audited. These same companies own all the major tv and radio stations and newspapers so they do a good job distracting us while they pick our pockets. The Golden rule the man with the gold makes the rules. W A K E U P

    • Bonnie Boyles

      You got that right!

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Oh, Mentally PERVERT predator still yapping.
    Keep yapping Karolyn, Mentally PERVERT Sickening PSYCHOPATH.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Are you talking about your psychopathic feelings? You do not have to confess to me about. It’s not surprise for me. I figured out long ago about your great irritation that caused you insomnia and loss of peace. It’s called INSANITY. And it’s too late for you to seek help.

      And this is just one more proof that you, stupid ignoramus , can’t produce your own thoughts. Just plagiarizing others adding your odium of your impotence.

      So, Keep yapping Coward, Delusional PITIFUL SICK EGO-CENTRIC MANIAC. That all that left for you.

  • Daniel Profit

    And the way many Americans see it along with destroying the middle class he is destroying the constitution You want to know how Obama can do something? Obama is the Dictator of America voted in by the media brain washed population. He runs the country using the IRS, NSA and DOJ like his very own personal KGB ! Any one including the press that does not fallow his way of thinking is targeted and terminated , persecuted or arrested. All of America agrees with his approach to running the country because they accept Lois Learner taking the 5th. The American people accept that the military were told to stand down and not rescue the US ambassador and personnel in Benghazi. The Obama administration will not even respond to requests by our elected officials for information about these and other constitutional violations. SO GET ON YOUR KNEES AND WORSHIP OBAMA with the rest of America. No one will push the issue because he is the first Black president so he is allowed to murder and get away with it . Look at what happens every time a whistle blower Tries to blow the whistle on any government corruption , instantly they are arrested, persecuted or just disappear.

  • laura merrone

    We had our own business and had to pay a lot of taxes but the economy brought it down. Now, we live in Europe and its not too bad here. No signs of any kind of depression here in Germany so I don’t know if that will really happen. We both have gov’t jobs working for the US military. We hope that will be okay in the near future. We don’t know what the long-term situation will be for us. I’m just trusting in the Lord anyway for our providential care. That’s all you can do in life anyway..

  • KennyLLC

    Being a small businessman in the construction field, playing the fair game since my teen years, I can honestly say that gov’t does nothing to create jobs; rather, it only gets in our way while taking our money and not representing us one bit. Local gov’t is the worst, but federal gov’t forces illegal competition into our workforce, making us lean down into survival mode in order to maintain our mere existence.
    They are more interested in outsourcing through foriegn trade deals and pandering for illegal voters than in nurturing American business
    We are truly being tyrannized over by taxation without representation.