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Why Didn’t We Fire The Chicago Teachers And Start Over?

September 20, 2012 by  

 

Hello. I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. As I record this video, the Chicago teachers strike has just ended after entering a second week. Isn’t that nice of them? The Chicago Teachers Union is getting a raise in the middle of a depression and they have decided to “allow” the kids to go back to school. These are such selfless people! It’s obvious they’re always thinking about the kids!

But even though the strike is now over, this is a perfect time to talk about it, to analyze what just happened. This is what President Obama would call a “teachable moment.” This is Exhibit A for what ails America, for why America is broke, why America is dysfunctional and for why our public school system is in shambles.

The Chicago teachers are among the highest-paid in the Nation. And their results are among the worst in the Nation. And in the middle of this Obama Great Depression — the second worst economic crisis in our Nation’s history — they went on strike because they were unhappy with a big fat raise, and they did not want to face evaluations of their performance from time to time.

The saddest part of all is how foolish government is. This is like an episode of “Dumb and Dumber.” The negotiation from the start involved government offering a raise, while the greedy teachers union asked for a bigger raise. They were fighting over how much of a raise to give grossly overpaid employees in the middle of a Great Depression. There was never even a thought of cutting their compensation or basing it on performance — like so many of us in the private sector.

The financial crisis we are in, as a country, is because government is full of fools who only know how to negotiate upward — with your tax money!

How broke is America, while we’re giving out raises to teachers? Well, in Cook County (Chicago) the Treasurer recently reported that the debt is $108 billion. Most of that is for pensions for overpaid government employees: $108 billion in one county, in one city. In particular, the Chicago school district faces a $700 million deficit.

Yet the debate was over how much of a raise to give Chicago teachers? This teacher strike is exhibit A for everything wrong with government. Especially Chicago government — the place where Obama learned everything he knows about how to bankrupt a country.

Remember, this strike was about failing employees who are paid an average of $71,000 per year, plus gold-plated healthcare packages, plus $2.4 million per teacher in taxpayer-funded retirement packages.

Yes, I said each teacher gets $2.4 million in retirement. Each.

Now, my wife and I home-schooled our daughter to Harvard, and she was just accepted at Oxford.

There is something wrong here, folks. Keep in mind my retirement (as a business owner) is funded only by me. Yet each Chicago teacher’s $2.4 million golden parachute is paid by you — the taxpayers — even though most taxpayers don’t have a pension!

And the teachers were on strike?

Keep in mind the disgraceful results produced by these striking teachers. For $71,000 per year plus obscene pensions of $77,000 per year, these union teachers have produced a graduation rate of 54 percent. Yet the graduation rate for charter schools in Chicago, with non-union teachers, is 76 percent. What do teachers at charter schools get paid? The average is $48,910 per year. Why do charter schools work so much better? Hmmm, could it be because they are non-union?

Chicago schools have the shortest school day of any major school system in the Nation. Only 33 percent of Chicago students who enter high school will attend college. But worst of all are the figures for African-American students in Chicago. Only one in 40 will graduate college from black, inner-city neighborhoods.

These are the results that teachers think demand big raises, fewer teacher evaluations and more job security? In the private sector these kinds of results would be met with: “You’re fired!”

So how should the strike have been handled? When faced with the strike of government employees, former President Ronald Reagan provided the model. In Reagan’s case it was air traffic controllers. These were (theoretically) irreplaceable employees who direct airplane traffic across the U.S. skies and are responsible for the safety of millions of lives every day. And they were good at their job. Unlike teachers, there were no failures or dropouts in the sky under this group of government employees.

Yet Reagan simply told the whole striking union to report for work in three days, or you’re fired. Forever. Don’t report, and you’re banned for life. When they refused, Reagan fired them all. Forever. Reagan replaced them with military air traffic controllers and supervisors until new controllers could be hired and trained. Result: a seamless transition and not one accident.

Why didn’t we handle the Chicago teachers strike the same way? Report to work or be fired. Forever. Then bring in substitutes and supervisors from across the State. Offer them full-time jobs at one-third lower salaries, one-half the pensions; and demand bigger contributions for their healthcare costs. And tell them the school day just got two hours longer.

I predict you’d have had lines stretching for miles with new teachers driving in from across the Nation begging to be hired. You would have had 10 applicants for every job opening.

If we had fired these greedy, selfish union teachers and brought in younger non-union replacements with fresh ideas, a stronger work ethic, and a positive, can-do attitude, I guarantee you that the kids would have benefited.

Most importantly, the key to my plan would be to incentivize these new teachers with giant bonuses based on performance so that if they produced great results, their salaries would actually wind up higher than the union teachers.

And combine performance-based compensation with school choice. Give vouchers to Chicago’s parents, so they can choose the best school for their children. I guarantee you that competition would improve public schools. This is how you bring competition and capitalism to education. This is how you empower teachers and change the lives of our children. Competition works for Coke and Pepsi and Microsoft and Apple. Why wouldn’t it benefit our education system?

Heck, the results could not get any worse. What do we have to lose? I say end the unions, fire them all and start over. Let’s do it right. Because our children’s entire future is at stake.

I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. See you next week, same time, same place. God Bless.

Wayne Allyn Root

(W.A.R.) is a former Presidential candidate, the 2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee, and a Libertarian-conservative national media star. His new book, “The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide” is a #1 national best-seller in bookstores, as well as an Amazon #1 Finance and Conservative bestseller. A former CNBC anchorman and host (then known as Financial News Network), Root is the ultimate Capitalist Evangelist: a blue-collar S.O.B. (son of a butcher) turned CEO, small businessman, serial entrepreneur, business speaker, and TV/radio commentator on the topics of business, economics, entrepreneurship, and politics. Root is a regular guest on Fox News, as well as on hundreds of conservative talk radio shows across the United States. His opinions reach tens of millions of Americans as a regular columnist and commentator for many of the most popular political and business websites, including FoxNews.com. He also writes regularly for The Washington Times. He is the bestselling author of eight books. Root serves as national spokesman for several companies, as well as a Senior Economic Advisor. Root is also well known in the television and media industries. He has hosted, starred and produced many television shows. Today, he is a producer of the highest-rated television show on Travel Channel. Because of his success in the diverse fields of business, media, sports, entertainment and publishing, Root was awarded his own 180-pound granite star in the Las Vegas Walk of Stars. Only 60 legends in the history of Las Vegas have received a star on Las Vegas Boulevard. A native New Yorker and graduate of prestigious Columbia University, this Capitalist Evangelist proudly resides in Nevada, a state with no income tax. His website is ROOTforAmerica.com.

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  • KG

    People who complain about Unions know NOTHING of what a Union is all about. It’s about more than economics. It’s about more than respect and dignity. It’s really about America’s ideas about freedom and opportunity.

    Labor unions are the only way a “working class” American can make a “step up” the economic ladder. Yes, you can go to school and become a Doctor or a Lawyer. But before you can even think about that you need a little bit of $. And I know that many of the most anti-union people out there got their education $ from hard working parents who were Union members. And they complain about the wages teachers get. Maybe it’s not the teachers that get paid too much, but probably YOU are NOT getting paid ENOUGH.

    Why climb up the ladder and kick it down for everyone else?
    Solidarity Forever

    Dwight D. Eisenhower:

    Only a fool would try to deprive working men and working women of their right to join the union of their choice.

    • Anastasia Beaverhouser

      what ‘ev! let me guess..you are a union worker……protected by the government..using MY tax dollars….grow up, learn the facts or SHUT UP!

      • http://www.facebook.com/customborg Ben Warford

        Anastasia Beaverhouser
        Oh look someone else who doesn’t know what they are talking about. You can’t handle someone that doesn’t agree with your point of view so they need to grow up or shut up. I think it is you that needs to grow up or better yet shut up

      • Smilee

        Such an immature statement, disgusting!!

      • Chester

        Anastasia, don’t imagine you are going to believe me, but union members are NOT protected by the government, only by the fact of their union membership, and Governor, now vice-presidential candidate Ryan did his best to take that protection away from union members in his state. Unions are there for a reason, and that is to protect the worker from an over-zealous boss who wants to fire on a whim, or change job descriptions so the worker suddenly has three times the work to do and half the time to do it in. Without the unions, you would still be working twelve to fourteen hour days, six days a week, and drawing six or seven dollars a week in pay. No job safety, no workman’s compensation, and not much of any kind of benefit from the company you work for.

      • phideaux

        “Anastasia, don’t imagine you are going to believe me, but union members are NOT protected by the government, only by the fact of their union membership, and Governor, now vice-presidential candidate Ryan did his best to take that protection away from union members in his state.”

        OK Chester which is it? You say unions are not protected by government but turn right around and say Ryan tried to remove government protection of unions. You cannot have it both ways.

      • Kay Cleveland

        You are so right! Only the left cannot see the detriment of unions. Been there…I know. Unions will sell you out as quick as the president we now have.

      • eddie47d

        There will always be a few union members who should be sold out were you one of them? Since you talk like you had the “EXPERIENCE”.

      • http://naver samurai

        Right on with your comments, but I say that we are not protected by the government. The ones that get favors seem to be the ones that voted for Obama bin Laden. These include the AFL-CIO, SEIU, and others. Since I am registered with the NEA, we call the INEA, I can tell you that some teachers aren’t worth squat, but are protected by the unions by having seniority or tenure. Both of which I can care less about. If a teacher is bad and only cares about their benefits, not the students, kick them out. You have no room to talk with that comment smilee. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Gordon

        General comment here: OK, I was raised in that metro area 3rd generation, not cook county. When my grandson was in 4h grade his 38 yr old black-female masters-degreed teacher sent a note home. This 4th grade teacher could not read nor write, etc. totally unintelligable. period. High paid tenured and totally incompetent. What was the outcome of the situation? Being able to do nothing with the school administration, etc. WE actually MOVED TO ANOTHER CITY, placed him in a decent school with competent teachers. Use whatever words come to your mind about the “unionized teacher situation.”

      • Gordon

        Clarification: The company couldn’t fire them,,,,, the union would force them out for “non-payback of favors due”… if you didn’t constanty kiss a@@….. you could be black-balled and never work again. unions= corrupt= $$$$ and power. period.

      • grover

        THE WAY YOU TALK I THINK YOUR JUST ONE OF THE 47%,I DOUGHT THE FEW LITTLE TAXES YOU PAY WOULDNT BUY THE GRAND WIZZARD A CIGAR

    • ProLiberty

      Actually, there is no “right to join a union of choice.” My husband is forced to pay union dues, did not have a choice to join a union and pay dues. He was told he had to or no job. As far as I know this is the way it is with unions. And especially when it comes to government employees (teachers) they have no “right” to join a union. They are being paid by our tax dollars. So it is possible I have a little knowledge about unions, being married to a man who was forced into one or told he could not be an airline pilot.

      • ProLiberty

        And by the way…I know this is coming. My husband did not become an airline pilot by anything the government gave him. He worked extremely hard from the ground up. Unions are the exact opposite of liberty and freedom–they are about force and bullying.

      • Smilee

        In 50 years, 40 as a union member and ten as a volunteer in organizing I have never seen bullying to get anyone to join a union. It simply does not happen That is the fastest and best way to get a non union vote in the elections and is counter productive for the unions. My experience is they treat people with total respect when trying to sell them on becoming union and stress this to those helping them organize. You hear a lot from the union haters of thugs and bullying but in 50 years being up close and personal I have never seen it. Back in the thirties when there was all those strikes and protests is where they acquired this label but if it was true then in is long gone by the way side. The union leaders I have been working with for 50 years stress the importance of treating people whom want to join a union with respect or you will most likely get their vote. It’s just common sense folks.

      • KG

        No one is “forced” to pay union dues. He can quit that job if he dosn’t like it. However, I would be willing to bet that he has better wages and conditions than if he worked non-union.
        So -the union aint done nuttin for him?
        Those of you who like the weekends need to thank Unions for that. Cause if it were not for the labor movement, we would all be working saturdays and sundays next to our children.

      • Flashy

        States which have unions as a core of their labor force have better education, higher incomes, higher living standards, and across the board are likely to have a more rounded, mixed, and integrated social class make up.

      • TIME

        Dear Smilee,

        Really, in the arts world of Music / Movies etc. You don’t work if you don’t belong to the Union, and if you do work its for far less than the value of road apples. Its really that simple.

        The walking non talking in flim’s get a per day pay, that being silghly differant per movie / tv show’s depending on how strong its backing. Be that as it may the average pay is around $50.00 per day. (A day can range from 3 hours, to 15 hours.)
        Yet SAG card holders start at $250.00 and up per hour, the faces you know quite well start in the five and six figures and up to seven figures and even higher per unit plus % residuals.
        For the record to get a SAG Card you have to know someone or blow someone, and that my boy are the facts of life, {having talent is not required.}

        In the Music world its the same gig, if your not in the Music Union, you get little work other than gigs that pay little to nothing $1500 per night split as many ways as the band members number.
        Thus many of the “best musicians” in the world you will never hear of as they will not bend to the absurd Union rules.

        Oh, did I note that when you do join the MU you must follow protocols in order to get your music out. Thus its controlled down to the very, BPM, as well base backing, aka the HZ wave lenght etc..
        This also extends to Movie Music as well, its all controlled down to the nano, / Refiltered / Refined / and controlled 100% for total effect. I believe what thats called is; “MIND CONTROL.”

        PS: If TRUE Talent were to be observed, most of you would drop dead from the shock of knowing that you have been had for well over 80 years in film, and 60 years in the Music world.

        Just saying………….

        PEACE & LOVE

      • Chester

        Ma’am, your husband went to work in a union shop, and joining the union IS one of the requirements for working in those shops, be it an airline or a pipeline construction company. Once he was in and had just a touch of seniority, he would have been awfully hard to fire without cause, and even then the cause would have had to be a LOT more than we are tired of you. You know a little about unions, but it sounds like all you want to see is the bad side of them.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “TIME” – SIR, GREAT INFORMATION ON THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        ” I would be willing to bet that he has better wages and conditions than if he worked non-union.”

        I’ll take that bet KG. I worked under a union for a time and all they did for (or should I say to) me was take the dues out of my pay check. I left that job for a non union job that not only paid better but also had better benefits. On the union job I was constantly told to slow down and not work so hard on the non union job I was praised for my hard work and dedication.

        • Smilee

          That is the exception not the rule, rarely today do you see non union getting paid more than union but it was fairly common in the sixties when I entered the work force but no longer. Do you think that someone might have wanted you to get in trouble by telling you to slow down, I have met members who would do that especially if they had a grudge against you or you were anti union, this too is rare but have seen it, the goal then would be to try and get you fired.

      • DKB

        You are right on ProLiberty……My husband was forced to pay union dues all of his working life too and when he retired, continued to pay to help out the younger journeyman carpenters. However, he got sick of the amount of money contributed (from his dues) to the democratic party and stopped paying………….him and almost every other retiree got wise to the corrupt system!!!!

      • Buster the Anatolian

        No Smilee they wanted me to slow down to their leisurely pace. Incidently because of the slow union work pace the company was so inefficent it went out of business a year or so after I left.

      • http://AOL Ellen

        A story about two teachers — sisters. One an inspiring Social Studies Teacher whose students looked forward to her classes. The other “teaching” second graders — a wash-out. Same annual raises and benefits. Another story — a female high school teacher having sex with male student — another having pot parties in his home. Can they be fired – No . Tenure. Solution of school superintendent — transfer them out to another school. Otherwise Teachers’ Unions will defend — years in court — possible bankrupt of school system in their town. Lose the case and School Board will not only have their own legal expenses to pay — teachers’ attorney also. This is how we are seeing that our children are taught by competend — and moral — teachers? Many good teachers — of course. Unfair to them also.

        • Jeff

          Yes, teachers are constantly getting away with sex and pot parties with students. It’s in the union contract. If there’s any evidence, they get arrested and fired immediately. But you know what I heard? All male Republican politicians are secretly gay – every one of them. And it’s illegal for their opponents to mention it in the campaign!

          • Liberty Lover

            Clever twist, Jeff. Deflect those stories about Obama being secretly gay by suggesting the same is true of all male Republican politicians! You may be losing IQ points, as you’ve admitted elsewhere, but your flippancy quotient remains quite high. And the fact remains that it costs a small fortune to fire an incompetent teacher because unions don’t give a damn about the kids.

          • Jeff

            The post to which I was responding was not about incompetent teachers. It was about teachers who “couldn’t be fired” after having sex and pot parties with students. I used the “gay republicans” analogy to illustrate the absurdity of the poster’s point. I was not attempting to deflect anything you may have read in the National Enquirer. At least now we know where you do your research.

      • Gordon

        Smillee, you have lived a sheltered life. I grew up around several unions and bullying, intimidation followed all union members. They were constantly in fear of losing their jobs if they said the wrong thing. Kissing A@@ and making outrageous promises (a form of payoffs) combined with extreme nepotism is the only way that anyone ever got a union job. It was like selliing your soul to the devil, because when he called in “a promise” they had to go then, regardless of what other obligations might be pending. Unions are, in general terms, mafia like organizations, period.

      • Gordon

        Sorry
        This comment belongs here directed to Smillee.

        Clarification: The company couldn’t fire them,,,,, the union would force them out for “non-payback of favors due”… if you didn’t constanty kiss a@@….. you could be black-balled and never work again. unions= corrupt= $$$$ and power. period.

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        You speak of LIBERTY but would take it away from those wanting to unionize !
        And while your husbands dedication has taken him far, Union’s and Government have made his vocation much safer and increased his income !

      • grover

        YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN A TEACHER,INSTEAD OF A CRYBABY

    • Mark111

      Sorry, KG, but I cannot agree with you. The unions have become as or more corrupt than the management they purport to protect the working man from. Their management have big salaries and perks while being little better than thugs. I have run union work. While there are some who believed in what they unions are supposed to stand for–competent, dedicated, hardworking people banding together to get a decent wage and benefits–they have become a featherbed for useless, incompent, jerkoffs who do not work worth a darn and who turn out shoddy product.

      I had an uncle who was for so many years proud that he was an ironworker but told me toward the end of his career he was ashamed to say he was a union worker.

      As for union management, look at the fates of some of those who would reform the movement–Jock Yablonski and his family come to mind. My apologies if I misspelled his name but it has been a number of years since he, his wife, and his daughter were hideously murdered in their home.

    • http://kaspermfg2live.com Dave K

      The union may have been and was good for the working class if you will back in the day but today it seems to be nothing more than a disruptive way to handle businesses and i don’t think my children should be handled like a businesses the working class was stiffed back in the day by it and our children are being stiffed by both today . in the union every one is payed equally that’s great if your a slacker but to motivate a human to be better you must have a driving force .and this is not it any more .its no longer about being treated fair by the boss its GREED that’s driving us all into the ground and stopping forward motion

      • James Andrews

        ANd also. there is a big difference between private sector unions (which don’t costs the taxpayers money), and public sector unions which do. I belong to a private sector union, but even I have “issues” with at least the teacher’s union, especially being a homeowner and a taxpayer. They have gotten away with murder in many of our states over the years, and it’s time to fight back, and reign them into reality. I don’t get regular raises every uyear-especially in this economy!

      • Smilee

        TexasRide says:
        September 20, 2012 at 8:33 am

        You sound an awful lot like those employers whom to not want to pay you what you are worth as that is what you are wishing on the teachers whom the taxpayers pay for, public employees have the same wants and needs as private employees and should not be treated different. So many taxpayers feel because they are paying the wages and benefits of teachers and they should not have that right, it looks to me like you think they should be seen as a different class of people because they work for the taxpayer instead of a private employer. Every two years the government changes elected personal and I can not think of a more unstable employer that this thus I would think a union would be a stabilizing force for both public employees and the electorate .

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        Dave K: You are right about GREED taking U.S. down ! The GREED of the rich and Mega Business !

    • GALT

      Ole Wayne is peddling his misguided “freemarket bs” to the mushrooms…….too bad his
      “charter schools” have no better record than the regular one’s…….but like private prison’s
      they do represent a “piece of the action”………….with his business’ on the verge of imminent failure, if Obama is re-elected……..he should just probably invest and save
      the rhetoric……….

      His does have a good grasp of the goal of capitalism regarding labor……..straight from
      Adam Smith…….

      “A man must live by his work, and his wages must be at least enough to maintain him. They must even on most occasions be somewhat more: otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family and the RACE of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

      Since there is currently an oversupply of labor……the “exploitation”, which Smith warned against has an ideal environment……..

      This is not to say that there is not a certain degree of complexity here, beginning with
      the mechanism of education, itself……….but ole Wayne doesn’t have the intelligence
      to even consider that……..and he is only “feeding mushrooms”…….who will hear what they want to hear……..

      • James Andrews

        There are high schol teachers in New Jersey, making $175,000./year in salary and benefits. No one on the public payroll, outside of maybe the mayor of a big city or a governor of a state, should be maiking the kind of money-that’s ridiculous, and the taxpayers of New Jersey have been getting ROYALLY screwed for many years-in fact, thousands have left the state, to move to other more tax-friendly states, because they can’t AFFORD to live there anymore. I have nothing against teachers, and good ones deserve decent pay, but come on-this is ridiculous!

        • Jeff

          Do you have a source for that information? My wife’s a teacher, and I’m sure she’s never even heard of a teacher making anything close to $175,000.

    • Smilee

      I could not agree with you more. before I retired the place I worked at was about half union and half non union and we were treated with respect and those not in the union were often treated like $hit on by the company and they did not like it. Between my pension and SS pension being bigger because it is based on your 40 best quarters and we had higher wages. I get about $19,000.00 a year more in pension & SS than my non union counterparts there. We should be working to better workers not try to tear down those in unions to the level of non union wages, benefit and conditions that union members enjoy, If we did we could get rid of the earned income credit (a Reagan signed law) child care subsidies, a lot food stamps, a lot of section 8 and a lot of medicaid, eligibility for all these are based on a persons income and the lower the income the greater the cost of these programs to the taxpayer. Conservatives almost always criticize unions and those underpaid workers whom collect all these benefits but never the companies that underpaid them and let the taxpayers pick up the cost of living of these people so they can exist. Unions have and could again go a long way in increasing incomes and thus reducing welfare payments and reducing government spending for it at tax payers expense. These people are the people Romney looked down his nose at in the recent utube of him and his rich buddies hobnobbing at his $50,000.00 a plate dinner party. Reagan could by law fire the traffic controllers because it was against the law for them to strike as is true for many policemen etc. but that is not the case with the teachers you cannot honestly compare the two. Study the history of the workers in this country from Plymouth Rock through 2012 and you will find that the period when the unions were at their strongest the workers had it best with living wages and were treated with respect and retired with dignity. Why so many people overlook these nice benefits I’ll never understand. Those in the coming generations when they get into retirement and are unable to to make ends meet because of it will cause more serious problems for the county that union retirees today do not.The first of each month i give a prayer of thanks to be so blessed to have been union.

      • ProLiberty

        Um, criticizing Romney for hob nobbing at 50K a plate fundraisers does not work. Hasn’t Obama had a few of them? Or maybe more than a few? Or maybe nothing but them for the last six months?

      • Smilee

        You ignored what I really criticized Romney for and that was his looking down his nose at almost half the population not his fund raising activities, they all do that Obama included. My take is Romney insulted almost half the tax filers in this country and treated them as second class citizens and not as important as him. That is my take on it.

      • TexasRide

        Unions are an abomination on this Nation and should be abolished. The time for unions has long since passed. Unions close down businesses, bring bankruptcy, and cause companies to leave our country and take what should be “American jobs” with them. It is hard to blame businesses, but it is very easy to see why they would not want to deal with union bloodsuckers, crooks and sloths.

        I get tired of hearing how you people have a right to make a “Living Wage!” Get real! You might pull that crap on those not paying attention, but you will not with people that ARE paying attention.

      • Patriot

        Smilee Wake yourself up, that tape was altered there is 2 minutes missing and our Media ran with it, without any fact checking, which should tell us all that the media is in the tank for the progessive agenda. The facts are that Union’s keep the working people down and dependent so as they do not try to do anything more, it is like an oppressive government. If you are truely the best in your field you will not be paid for your worth, the deadbeats always want forced unionization to keep everything equal. This being said, I can somewhat justify voluntary unionization in the private sector. However, I can never justify unions in the Public sector, in the public sector who are we protecting the workers from?

      • Flashy

        Patriot…if there is a claim of 2 minutes missing…how could anyone tell? unless they had another tape which had a missing two minutes. if that were the case, they’d produce the tape with the “missing’ two minutes.

        Criminey…it really doesn’t hurt if you think…try it one time, you may be amazed

      • Smilee

        Patriot says:
        September 20, 2012 at 8:50 am

        You apparently lived in a different world than I did as every thing you say is the exact the opposite as I experienced, it just is not true. If two minutes was missing how would that change what he said that we did hear, it didn’t. Later the tape was uploaded in its entirety so the 2 minutes is no longer missing.

      • Smilee

        TexasRide says:
        September 20, 2012 at 8:33 am

        Then your preference would be for every one to be poor instead of getting a living wage and if they do not have a living wage then they are eligible for all kinds of subsidies and welfare which you help pay for unless you are underpaid and a recipient of some or all of these welfare program.

      • http://www.sweetsalesgirl.com/Kuurus/ Charles Johnson

        Flashy
        Embedded time tags in the encoding strip.

    • 45caliber

      KG:

      I’ve had two experiences with unions. The first one was the one my mother worked for. She was all for unions … until I started asking about the costs. Those she worked with paid a total of around $32,000 a month to two union officials who “negotiated” their pay raises ever three years at Las Vegas. In other words these two men were paid $16,000 a month so they could go to Las Vegas and gamble for two months every three years at employee expense! And they got nothing more than the company would have given them anyway.

      The other experience was when I tried to get a job with a company that was union. Instead of going to a company personnel person I had to go to a union stewart. He was playing poker (on company time) with four of his friends. He told me he’d be happy to get me on … IF I paid three months union dues in advance and IF I paid him $150. Otherwise, I wouldn’t get on at all.

      I prefer to hire on somewhere with honest people who aren’t forcing me to pay for my job. I get paid for my work – and I shouldn’t have to pay someone who does little or nothing for the job. I’ve made a point to avoid unions ever since.

      • Smilee

        A single incident does not define the union movement as a whole or any organization for that matter try looking at the many many successes of union not just focus a an occasional bad experience. That is the nature of humans in all walks of life.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        How are unions any different than the protection rackets of the Mafia?

      • Flashy

        Nad…how are non-union companies any different than slave plantations?

      • Polski

        It’s a lot less than a company CEO that makes $23 million a year. There’s a good reason that unions are more necessary than ever right now.

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        What you fail to see is Unions raise all labor including non-Union by raising wages and benefit’s ! And if you think company’s would have done it anyway, your delusional !

    • TexasRide

      Why should I pay for your lavish retirement!

      You should pay for your own retirement and benefits like most other Americans must do. What a greedy, liberal snob… And, you and your unions are NOT about liberty and freedom. YOU are about scamming money from “hardworking Americans…” Listen lady (using that term very loosely) you and your ilk are thieves.

      Evidently your job consists only of being, “a class monitor.” Liken that to “hall monitor” and you have got the picture! All of you should be fired just as the article suggests.
      WAR has got it right.

      ABOLISH UNIONS! They are a festering wound on the face of this Nation.and an abomination on the taxpayers. I am mad and I don’t even live in Chicago.
      Thank God.

      • Liberty Lover

        I would hope that Wayne would not agree with abolishing unions, even though they are always counterproductive. The antidote consistent with liberty is to permit any entity to fire any union without interference from DC.

      • Smilee

        Your clearly jealous and filled with a lot of hate

      • Nadzieja Batki

        smillee, throwing temper tantrums doesn’t work on this site. You just showed how immature you are.

      • TexasRide

        smilee, you will get a BIG paycut if your salary became commenserate with your skills!
        .
        Without unions, you slugs would NOT even be able to find jobs, what a travesty. Yes, it makes me very angry that kids have no chance for a good education. The good teachers leave as soon as they see what a mess the libs have made of our schools.

        Unions are an abomination to the taxpayers and the education system. But, then, isn’t that the goal…to “dumb down” our children!

        Thank God my son can go to a Charter School! He left when the best rated school system in Houston decided the teachers would not be using “School Books” in their classes.
        Many of the schools no longer teach cursive writting! Probably because half of the teachers themselves can’t write or spell.

      • TexasRide

        Liberty why would you want some entity to survive if it is counterproductive..

        Unions are ruining our economy and hurting our businesses. There are plenty of laws that protect workers, and no need for unions.

        What union sloths are afraid of is that they wouldn’t be able to find a job is it weren’t for the union. The union workers can’t compete in a free market and they surely are not worth what they are being paid by taxpayers. Unions are beginning to look more and more like organized “welfare” for incompetents. Those are the people I see on the streets, many of which can barely put a sentence together….and they are teachers.

        • Smilee

          Your hatred of unions has clouded your perception of the real world. Angry people filled with hate rarely think straight and as you post is all BS that appears to be true in your case.

        • Jeff

          “Those are the people I see on the streets, many of which can barely put a sentence together….and they are teachers.”

          Remedial English, anyone? If you don’t see the problem, ask one of those teachers you see on the street.

        • Liberty Lover

          No employer with half a brain would employ unionized workers. If we allow freedom on both sides of the negotiating table, unioins disappear within a world of freedom. Any employer foolish enough to employ unionized workers voluntarily will soon suffer the fate of all enterprises marked by inefficiency.

      • Smilee

        Nadzieja Batki says:
        September 20, 2012 at 8:46 am

        Tell me how is it you can turn an honest statement into a temper tantrum, you a magician??????

      • Chester

        TexasRide, let us hope you are being paid more than your mouth says you are worth. I hate the thought of anyone trying to live on less than I have coming in, yet there are complete families out here surviving, not living, on less than my pitiful income.

      • Smilee

        TexasRide says:
        September 20, 2012 at 9:01 am

        As I said above your hate and anger has taken you out of touch with reality and the truth. If you want to know the truth about my worth you should of asked instead of out of hatred made such a stupid and unsubstantiated statement. The figures show that the company made more off my labor that I did so if my wages where to be in line with my worth my wages should have been twice what I received. I was in the technical field so they made more off of me that others but all made money for the company and all proved their worth,but I doubt your interested in the truth and even if you were your hatred and anger would prevent you from acknowledging it.

      • eddie47d

        I’m sure there are many union members who don’t want to go back to low pay and unsafe working conditions and some companies do just that. I judge company in how well the owner gets paid and how well they pay the workers. If there is too much disparity in the job being accomplished then unions provide a way to correct those discrepancies. In some jobs the owner indeed deserves much more but without talented workers he may not have a successful company.

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        Tex: If there were no unions you wouldn’t have to worry about scams because you wouldn’t have made enough to bother with !
        I’ve worked non-union for 40 years and I know that without unions and prevailing wage jobs, I would be making less than half of what I do !

    • the big easy

      @-K G B —————–COMRADE————–IS YOU CRAZY ? ? ? ? ? ? These alleged ‘teachers’,deserve a very large pay increase? ? ? ? ? With a majority of the country having a hard time just putting food on the table,because the flea-infested flea-bagger what’s in charge in the white house now,is SHUTTING DOWN more and more business’s with more and more rules and regulations that are COOKED-UP by such as the e.p.a.,dept. of un-energy,burdensome TAXATION WITH-OUT REPRESENTATION,etc.,etc.. And on top of that these ‘ALLEGED’ teachers have only a 50% graduation rate,they should be FIRED F O R E V E R.Then all those 50% that do NOT graduate,are DOOMED to a life of mostly MINIMUM WAGE type jobs,or they resort to a life of CRIME. I don’t know about your company,( if you EVEN ‘work’ ) but most PRIVATE SECTOR companies would NOT keep a manager or c.e.o.,etc.,etc.,if their PRODUCTION rate was only 50%.——This is what’s WRONG with this economy NOW,all those pukes that FEEL entitled to EVERYTHING for NOT doing ANYTHING.—————What a puke——————CAPITALISM FOREVER———————————–With a CAPITALIST as our NEXT President,this THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD will come back to it’s GREATNESS as #1 in the world.———-COMRADE,if you like COMMUNISM SO MUCH,YOU should just LEAVE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA for one of those wonderful countries that you admire so much,such as china,iran,pockystan,all the other stans,russia,korea,afrika,greece,mesico,egypt,etc.,etc..And if you don’t have enough money for the bus fare OUT,I will start up a KICK THE COMMIE OUT FUND to GIVE you a one way ticket OUT,and be sure to give up your American Citizenship ( that is if you really are an American Citizen ),and be sure NOT to let the AMERICAN BORDER hit you on your ass on the way OUT.——–What a puke—————

      • Smilee

        And the chances of a second Obama term seem more likely with each passing day. You may have the opportunity to continue your hate filled ranting and raving for another four years. You seem to have a lot of company on this site as so many are angry and filled with hate and that usually interferes with logic thinking which so many here seem to be guilty of.

      • TexasRide

        comrade smilee, you are going to “eat your words,” or there is a good chance there will be a revolutionary wave of insight that overcomes you.. Wonder why all these comments, that is because Americans are angry about what is happening in our schools, our country, our lives….

        Libs better start worrying because people of this country DON’T LIKE WHAT YOU ARE SELLING!

      • the big easy

        @-smelly——COMRADE————You sound like on of those ADULT DIAPER BOYS/GIRLS that has a very heavily soiled ADULT DIAPER that is ooooozzzzzing out all over you and your ADULT DIAPER BOY/GIRL BED,you should get your ADULT DIAPER MOMMIE to give you a CHANGE and be sure to get your ADULT MOMMIE to wipe all that ADULT DIAPER DRIBBLE from your ADULT DIAPER BOY/GIRL mouth.——————-What a puke———————

      • the big easy

        @-smelly———-COMRADE———As for your boy getting another 4 years,I think that the AMERICAN CITIZENS with a working brain realize that your boy has gotten us into the ranking of some third world countries.We are having our FREEDOMS AND LIBERTY STOLEN from every direction.This COMMIE mentality will NOT work here just like it HAS NEVER worked ANYWHERE else in the world.If you like the COMMIE life style so much,you should just leave,and go to one of those countries that are to your liking,like iran,russia,greece.egypt,pockystan,all the other stans,korea,china,afrika,etc.,etc..Good riddance to bad rubbish———-What a puke————

      • eddie47d

        Why don’t you call yourself the Big Sleazy and be done with it. Your anger far exceeds your intelligence!

      • Smilee

        TexasRide says:
        September 20, 2012 at 9:08 am

        There are many things that need to be improved upon but destroying unions as you would like to do will not solve anything in fact it would make it worse as we would go back to how things were before unions got power and improved everything for everyone, Most non union people today get some benefits albeit not very good ones today but there was none before unions and very low wages which we have gone back to in non union shops today When I entered the work force in 1962 it was in a non union shop that actually paid more that unions shops at the time, You do not find that anymore but non union shops did that or they would have become union quickly because then we looked at the higher paid jobs as desirable today it seems by so many and I think you to that you find the lower paid jobs as what the standard should be. Do you like poverty and the welfare programs these low wages have hatched since the 1980′s?????

      • Smilee

        eddie47d says:
        September 20, 2012 at 10:04 am

        It appears that the big easy is either drunk or never got passed grad school as he talks like a little kid.

    • Jeff

      Yes, Eisenhower wouldn’t be caught dead in the company of this bunch of right wing, union-busting morons. They are reflexively anti-Union at all times and in all places. There’s always a different reason, but the bottom line is they don’t like unions because it messes with their view of the natural order of things – the father rules in the house, the boss rules at work, and the president has to be a conservative, old white guy.

      In reality, the strike was not about pay. But that doesn’t fit the narrative that all union members are greedy. Of course, management is allowed to be greedy. That’s just business. In this case, greed was not even an issue; the quality of education was. Teachers are sick of their evaluations being so tied to standardized tests that they are only able to teach to the test.

      http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/sep/19/teachers-mayor-praise-chicago-teacher-strike/

      Supporters of the teachers were correct to point out that wealthy people who send their kids to private schools would never stand for a “tests only” approach to education like CPS mandates in the public schools. It is both racist and classist to suggest that art and music, PE, and libraries are only for the kids of the upper middle class. Clearly, some kids from disadvantaged backgrounds need more help than wealthier kids, but it is often the arts programs that keep kids from dropping out of school.

      • TexasRide

        All Right! Here comes comrade jeff and he finally brought up that word liberals always use when they can’t justify their cause….RACIST!

        He labels everyone against unions.. as RACIST!

        I love it! Ha! These libs can’t stand the heat!

        • Jeff

          It’s interesting that out of that entire post, all you could respond to was something involving racism. “Methinks thou dost protest too much.”

          Here’s the post, with the highly offensive reference:

          Yes, Eisenhower wouldn’t be caught dead in the company of this bunch of right wing, union-busting morons. They are reflexively anti-Union at all times and in all places. There’s always a different reason, but the bottom line is they don’t like unions because it messes with their view of the natural order of things – the father rules in the house, the boss rules at work, and the president has to be a conservative, old white guy.

          In reality, the strike was not about pay. But that doesn’t fit the narrative that all union members are greedy. Of course, management is allowed to be greedy. That’s just business. In this case, greed was not even an issue; the quality of education was. Teachers are sick of their evaluations being so tied to standardized tests that they are only able to teach to the test.

          http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/sep/19/teachers-mayor-praise-chicago-teacher-strike/

          Supporters of the teachers were correct to point out that wealthy people who send their kids to private schools would never stand for a “tests only” approach to education like CPS mandates in the public schools. It is both racist and classist to suggest that art and music, PE, and libraries are only for the kids of the upper middle class. Clearly, some kids from disadvantaged backgrounds need more help than wealthier kids, but it is often the arts programs that keep kids from dropping out of school.

      • eddie47d

        The reasoning on the right is also over the top and cheesy. So much one sided propaganda it’s hard to see through all the fog.

    • Patriot

      Let’s face it, if it was not for the Union’s more people would be working in a free market econonmy and your worth would be judged by your performance. The higher performer’s always want a merit based solution, it is the deadbeats that do not want competition. Union dues is just another tax on your labor and guess who benefits, the folks only at the top, sounds like socilaism, Marxism, progressivism, etc. to me.

      We are bankrupt folks, when the economic system collapses we will not have to worry about raises, etc. we will all suffer. Did anyone here Obama on Lettermen the other night? He did not even know where the deficit stood and he said “we do not need to worry about the deficit short term”, this guy is completely out of touch & control. We cannot survive another 4 years of this joke we have has our President, his father Frank Marshall Davis would be so proud!

      • Smilee

        You may have to HA HA HA!! Where I worked we had four locations in our division and only ours was union. Management said more than once to me that our group was the best and most productive and when they had customer complaints and returned parts they always sent them to our location because of it. You have bought into the corporate rhetoric and it is pure BS. There are both good and bad union workers and non union workers and in 40 years I never seen the time a bad worker was not fired and many were but it was the individual not because of the union. Yes, union workers can and do get fired the only difference the union worker gets a hearing but most lose if the company has documented the reason and it is legit, I say 90% of those fired stayed fired. Unions in most cases cannot protect bad workers. Teachers have tenure in some cases but other union employees do not.

      • phideaux

        To quote you Smilee:

        “Thats pure bull.”

      • Polski

        You’re kidding right? Not even WalMart would hire you.

    • rendarsmith

      No one is trying to take away the right to JOIN a union, they are trying to restore the right to work WITHOUT having to join one. People should have that option if they so choose. Unions are the primary reason so many jobs are getting outsourced.

      • Flashy

        Unions are the primary reason for outsourcing? Then you advocate paying pennies per hour for labor to equal that of a third world country?

      • http://AOL Ellen

        You are right. Everyone should have a ” right to work” and be able to make a choice as to whether or not they wish to join a union. Nobody should be forced tojoin in order to work.

    • tony

      Is Rahm Emmanuel Losing the Independent rights to decide equitable rights of Teachers , School children and Parents to the United Nations Globalization of Our Public Schools ?
      What Happens if the Teachers Unions Adopt the Platform of United Nations Globalization , in this Link it talks about the US Federal Funding of Schools under a International Baccalaureate program , http://truthaboutib.com/obamaduncanib.html ,This is huge in terms of circumventing USA sovereignty something Obama has shown over and over he is in favor of doing .

      http://occupycorporatism.com/
      http://theintelhub.com/2012/09/19/chicago-teachers-strike-and-the-un-globalization-of-our-public-schools/
      http://theintelhub.com/2012/09/19/september-surprise-in-chicago/

    • Dad

      The real irony here is that the product of public education, the ignorant graduates, will be the ones that will pay the theoretical $2.4MM pensions for the union extortionists… good luck with that. Since union slugs pump out ineffective, virtually unhirable people into the workforce, the “grads” have no skills to sell and therefore will be unable to produce any value to a potential employer… much less create any extra money for the public moochers. Ask ex-ENRON employees how pensions work in a bankrupt system…

      How do we know this? Because when the majority of us were educated (years past), the US graduates performed at the TOP of the world rankings… as opposed to the recent students, who test in the lower quartiles by comparison. This performance is on par with third world countries… who are generally very poor and do not provide multi-million dollar entitlements to “workers.” This government system is called “dumbing down the public.”
      Where this is headed is very clear and basically a sucker bet. Hey, do the math… Let’s put federal monies in an understandable way (at least for the majority of us)… now remove 8 zeros and pretend this is a household budget:

      * Annual family income: $21,700
      * Money the family spent: $38,200
      * New debt on the credit card: $16,500
      * Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
      * Total budget cuts so far: $3.85

      This should help give perspective even for people who graduated in the past 10-20 years. If not… then nuff said.

      • TexasRide

        Dad, if the unions are not stopped they will just create more and bigger unions that will hire these uneducated slugs that the schools are pumping out. THey have already the SIEU.. The UEMS will probablly be next…(the uneducated medical staff. hiring requirement..one warm body.)

      • Liberty Lover

        Excellent post, Dad!

      • Polski

        I graduated from the University of Michigan in 1957 with a bachelors degree in Aeronautical Engineering.

        What you are saying is pure Bull Crap.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “KG,”

      I KNOW NOTHING OF UNIONS, BUT, YOU MADE SOME FANTASTIC AND COMPELLING COMMENTS.

    • ONTIME

      People who have belonged to unions, like myself know what a parasite is nowadays and the symbiotic relationship between politician and union is bad enough, add the government and the taxpayer is screwed, they are just the deep pockets for the thieves that take their money. There is no room for unions in the government….period.

      It is you who cannot understand right from wrong…

    • Cliffystones

      I remember when most union members took pride in doing the best job they could and working with their employer, not against them. Those days, like everything you proclaim about unions, are long gone. The “unions” of today are little more than organized crime syndicates.

      • Smilee

        That’s pure bull!!

    • Stuart Shepherd

      KG- Respect and dignity? You’ve got to be kidding. Please tell me you’re kidding.

    • Ted Crawford

      Well you would be WRONG here KG! I come from a Union household. My Father was a member of Local 24 of the Ironworkers from the time he returned from Europe during WWII. I have been a Union worker( IBEW) for 42 years, and I agree with Franklin Roosevelt! You remember reading about him, the President who signed the Wagner Act into law and created Labor Unions!
      ” All Government employees should realize that the pratice of collective bargining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the Public Service. It has it’s distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to Public Personnel Management ”
      Public Sector Unions and Private Sector Unions have almost NOTHING in common! All these fools have done is ti hasten the end of ALL unions! They are unlikely to survive to the end of this decade!

      • http://Yahoo.com Bob

        Most of the comments miss the mark. The Federal GOV has failed. The STATES should be the one’s running the Dept not the FED’S who knows what best for each State then the State. The FED DEPT’S. DO NOTHING and get big salaries for it The Teachers do all the work and get min. wages. We don’t need all the FED DEPT’S. turn them over to the STATES and cut cost plus the system would work better.

    • john811c

      I have seen what unions now do first hand, I have watched them squander my dads retirement money so when he applied for it it just wasn’t there the Union Blamed the company BUT the union had the management of the retirement fund. It was stolen by the Union higher ups. Then I have seen first hand union reps telling workers to work slower because they were making other union employees “look bad” in their productivity. I have watched union workers stretch out the job forcing the company to pay overtime when it could have been completed in the time allotted. I have watched the president of the union arrive in his Cadillac to union meetings telling the rank and file how good the deal was…Maybe for him …where else can you represent a group of .employees, drive around in a luxury car collect a six figure salary and do no work …living off the backs of the workers…I have seen Union demands bring about the closure of businesses because economics forced the company out of business the cost of the union negotiated wages and benefits put them under. I watched the Unions totally destroy our steel manufacturing here. I know personally steel workers who worked the midnight shift would go and hide sleeping until the boss arrived then crawl out from where ever they were hiding to appear to look busy ..so people tell me how good unions are …really …. maybe unions are good only for the union reps

    • http://Yahoo.com Bob

      you are so wrong. The Unions exist because of failure of Government not having good labor laws. If Congress passed laws that were fair to everyone then the Unions would be out. They are nothing but Communist ORG.

      • Greg

        Bob-Unions only exist for one reason….MONEY!!!!! I was a member for 24 years… Paid in tens of thousands of dollars…. We’ve come a long way since OSHA came about. Today, OSHA does a far better job of regulating safety than the unions ever did, even back in the early 1900′s…. Bad argument Bob!!!!!

    • Caroline

      I agree that unions have a purpose — I’m a union member. There are a lot of dirt-bag companies out there that love to take advantage of their workers for the almighty buck. But when unions protect workers who are not performing their jobs, then that is wrong. It is obvious from the student results (poor performance, etc.) that the public school teachers in Chicago and many other cities are not doing their jobs. Especially when you consider the results obtained by teachers in private and charter schools. Why can private and charter schools do better than public schools? Public schools should take a lesson from the private sector and base their raises on performance!

    • nabiru

      The taxpayer is compalaining about the teacher’s salary and benefits being paid by the taxpayer.The employer of the teachers are the taxpayers and the taxpayers have their representatives to negotiate with the school emploees’ reps.This is the School Board.The board members are voted in by the public or appointed by the Mayor.Who is also voted in by the public.If this reps are not representing the taxpayer’s interest, vote them out.Ahhhh..
      I almost forgot,they are all corrupt.They are corrupt just like the teacher’s reps.The only difference that the teacher’s reps are better at their game.This is a painful reality for the taxpayers.Get better trained, more corrupt criminals in the future.

    • gunner689AI

      I’ve never seen a union strike yet that wasn’t about more pay for less work.

    • Greg

      LOL!!!!! Seriously??? Spoken like a true union blinded thug… I was a union member….24 years…Been to so many meetings… The venom and hatred spread at the union meetings…. Absolute thuggery….. Unions have long outlived their useful purposes….. KG…Unions were innovated by “employees” primarily for worker safety and health issues….. Not as a way to extort $ from the tax payer… One of the most recent figures from the BLS shows that overall union employment is down to less than 12% of our overall workforce….Down from the high of near 37% 45-50 years ago….. The argument is the saem for public and private unions…. They pread hatred for anyone who doesn’t believe in their way, and the tax payer still pays the bill by the higher costs of goods and services….. Most union employees have drank the cool aid and don’t realize that they themselves are beign extorted. They are nothing more than “tools” to make the union money…. All under the guise of giving a crap about people…….. Seriously???

      • Smilee

        I was a union member for 40 years and a retired union member for another 10 and what you describe is not something I have ever seen and I’m sure I have been to a lot more meetings than your have and I still attend them. I think you are spreading lies.

    • John Jones

      I really don’t think there should be unions for Fed., or State employees, we are paying them from our tax dollars.To strike as the school year begins tells me just how serious they are about their jobs. I think their butts should have had a pink slip slapped on them.
      Yes unions have their place, but not on my dollar. people in this country are getting tired of throwing their earned dollars in a bottomless pit, called government. (Oh yeah did anyone mention we are in a depression.)

    • http://google rose

      The only way the working class can make it up the economic class ladder? I hardly think think so. Most people just snuggle up in their slave labor jobs and fear venturing out on their own to make a living. They cannot think on their own how to be productive, so they find someone who can do their thinking for them and put them to use.

    • Matrix

      KGB

      By Chris Banescu
      What the Bolsheviks and communists did to their own people with violence, indiscriminate murder, starvation, torture, and concentration camps, union leaders in America want to accomplish via plans to destroy our financial system, undermine the stock market, disrupt capitalism, redistribute the wealth, and destabilize the country.
      The Blaze has obtained a taped recording of the radical plans of Stephen Lerner, a former official of SEIU, on of the most powerful unions in the country. In a meeting held on March 19, 2011, Lerner is heard talking to a group of community organizers, socialists, and union members in a discussion about tactics and strategies on how to disrupt and destabilize the American economy and create widespread uncertainty and fear.

      Here are some of Lerner’s key comments on the Left’s plans for America:

      “We need to figure out in a much more through direct action, much more concrete way, how we really trying to disrupt and create uncertainty for capital, for how corporations operate” …

      “There are actually extraordinary things we could do right now that would start to destabilize the folks that are in power and start to rebuild a movement” …

      “We have an entire economy that is built on debt and banks so the question would be what would happen if we organized homeowners in mass to do a mortgage strike if we get half a million people to agree it would literally cause a new finical crisis for the banks not for us we would be doing quite well we wouldn’t be paying anything.” …

      “if we really believe that we are in a transformative stage of what’s happening in capitalism, then we need to confront this in a serious way and develop really ability to put a boot in the wheel, then we have to think not about labor and community alliances we have to think about how together we are building something that really has the capacity to disrupt how the system operates” …

      “We have to think much more creatively. The key thing… What does the other side fear the most – they fear disruption. They fear uncertainty. Every article about Europe says in they rioted in Greece the markets went down” …

      “what we are looking at is the first week in May can we get enough people together starting now to really have an week of action in New York I don’t want to give any details because I don’t know if there are any police agents in the room, but the goal would be that we will roll out of New York the first week of May. We will connect three ideas:

      - that we are not broke there is plenty of money

      - they have the money – we need to get it back …

      - and so we need to take on those folks at the same time and that we will start here we are going to look at a week of civil disobedience – direct action all over the city”

      Stephen Lerner then concludes:

      “There is going to be a ten state mobilization it try and shut down that meeting and then looking at bank shareholder meetings around the country and try and create some moments like Madison except where we are on offense instead of defense

      Where we have brave and heroic battles challenging the power of the giant corporations. We hope to inspire a much bigger movement about redistributing wealth and power in the country and that labor can’t do itself that community groups can’t do themselves but maybe we can work something new and different that can be brave enough and daring and nimble enough to do that kind of thing.”

      It’s absolutely clear that the communist revolutionary bloodlust runs very deep through the veins and psyche of many union leaders and socialists in America. Their hatred for democratic free-market economies, unbridled greed for the wealth and property rights of individuals, and desire for chaos and revolution can no longer be contained. Give these guys the power and enough AK47s and they would do to us what the Bolsheviks, Maoists, and Vietcong did to their own people.

      The union/communist/radical rotten fruit did not fall very far from the Marxist-radical tree that has caused so much bloodshed, suffering, and death throughout the ages. The communist terrorists are here in America actively working to destabilize and destroy this blessed country. They will not stop until they bring about the same catastrophic results their spiritual brethren have brought since Marxism began. Apparently 100 million victims of the Communist Holocaust is not enough for these evildoers, they want more!

      Chris Banescu blogs at chrisbanescu.com.

    • http://PersonalLiberty Robert S. Grimaldi Sr.

      I was a union member.( twice ). But the thing is this that you just don’t take into account: PRIVATE sector and PUBLIC sector. As long as you are a PRIVATE sector union employee, then I say GO FOR IT. I support private sector Unions 100%. There is such a huge difference between the two. Do you know what that is? Well let me tell you because I will bet your pension you don’t. Public unions get their pay from TAX PAYERS. The public sector NEGOTIATES with……..YEP….. The GOVERNMENT. And they have no reason to NEGOTIATE for a FAIR contract. Goes like this: I want a 10% raise every year, 100% of my health insurance PAID, a 401K with 6% employer contribution, 12 holidays PAID yearly, 2weeks paid vacation per year, PLUS 2.4 million of retirement.(and more benefits) No, I don’t want performance reviews and I can’t be fired(for ANY reason) after tenure( 2 or 3 years). Government negotiator(Obama’s buddy and thug Mayor Rahm Emmanuel) says: Sure sounds good to me, you got a deal!!!! Now PRIVATE sector union for example Coke a cola: They say the same demand and Coke says “you got to be kidding, I will offer:4% raise, 60% toward your health insurance, 4% matching contribution for 401K, 8 paid holidays,1 week paid vacation after a year service, and a maximum of 80% of your average total combined earnings for retirement after 25 years on the job, and you can be fired if you do something that is illegal, too much absence, or after two poor evaluations. Take it or leave it. If you don’t like my terms, then look else where for a job!!!! The union pay is paid for by the PRIVATE COMPANY. Thus giving you an incentive to actually be productive to help the company make a PROFIT. If anyone can prove me wrong then say so. But I am 100% correct. These PUBLIC sector jobs are what is ruining our country. Cities AND states all over America are going Bankrupt. We as tax payers can’t afford these Union contracts. Obama would not allow GM or Chrysler to file bankruptcy. Yea, he SAVED the Auto Industry alright!!!! Actually he saved the UNIONS. If they filed for bankruptcy then the PRIVATE sector union would HAVE to re-negotiate their contracts and no doubt got lower wages and less benefits. And remember: you can’t file Bankruptcy against THE GOVERNMENT. Do you get it?????Hope I educated at least one person. Sorry this is so long but I had to give a detailed example

      • Jeff

        Yes, it is the teachers that are ruining the country. Not the greedy Wall Street Bankers or the greedy vulture capitalists. No, it’s the teachers. Firemen, too. And don’t forget the nurses – my God those greedy nurses want enough money for rent AND food?

        And the Chicago teachers strike wasn’t even about pay, at least not primarily. Check your prejudices at the door before venturing an opinion, please.

    • Smilee

      phideaux says:
      September 20, 2012 at 11:37 am

      The law currently allows unions to exist and WI passed a law all but denying this to some unions and dictating what they could negotiate and what they could not. Beyond that there is no government protections in fact the laws favor management today and thus the weakening of unions due to it. The WI law was stuck down as unconstitutional because it discriminated saying this applied to some public unions and not to others and the Constitution does not allow laws to discriminate, Walker hopes to get it over turned but most likely he will not succeed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jim.d.rowe Jim R Presley

      You are as LOST as the Unions!! – They were needed 50 years ago … Now, unions are like last-week’s newspaper! USELESS – like YOU union workers – a Has Been! – GET A REAL JOB on your own – NON-Union -

    • niccko

      Read the whole article in it’s entirety. Your selfish opinion pats the poor worker on the back while side-kicking the students. How long would any business last with lax employees who just showed up for $$ and forget performance. That’s what you see in this situation. these teachers just show up and the students are baby sat for the day. Hell, many major company CEO’s don’t get a 2.4 mill pension. Union is not for the worker but for their own coffers of wealth.

      • Smilee

        niccko

        Boy, are you out of touch with the real world. First do not sterotype union represented members as poor workers, where I worked there were four groups in four locations in our division and we were the group whom had the best performance in quality and quantity, The Company stats not the unions To say that this can be found in some members is true but it is equally true in the non union shops, we seen more non union low nonperformance in the non union and some were not fired in the union portion they fired you and if they can prove it a union cannot save your job. An arbitrator (third party) decides not the union or the company based upon the facts. That figure 2.4 mil is pure garbage most have a defined benefit pension that pay a monthly amount as long as you are alive At $2,000.00 per month you would have to be 165 to collect 2.4 million if you retired at 65. Most do not get that much. Your post im many ways makes you look stupid.

    • http://PersonalLiberty Donnie

      The republican party and Tea party hates unions.They don’t want a level playing field.They don’t want the government to do anything about China’s unfair trade practices.It’s all about money and I mean the profit companies can make.I think it is about time to put American workers and jobs ahead of profit.Let’s cut taxes and outsource more jobs.Where is your tax base.Hello Mr. Root,if you want to fire somebody you should satart with our worthless Congress.And I mean everybody in Congress and that includes the Tea Party.They are all looking out for their own self interest and not the best of the American people.The best government lobbyists can buy.

    • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

      KG, I have worked Union jobs and every one was on the take from the Corporations, I had to carry two micro tape recorders just tro keep my job because my Union backed the Corporation not in one location but in several locations and several Unions. I have also owned my own businesses and when some employee mentioned a union I told them I couldn’t afford the salaries and if I had a Union I would fire him. The Unions didn’t help me work 120 hours a week for 3 1/2 years and put their hard earned money in MY Business that I BUILT so that a union can come in and tell me who I can and can’t fire and hire. So yes at one time 80 years ago we needed unions, Now we don’t and if you don’t like that job move on and Better yourself and stop Bankrupting every business and City in America with outrageous wages benefits and 20 year retirements. I don’t mean 20 year for all union jobs just the local, city state and federal unions. Government Jobs. Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    • PrincessPhilly

      You must be a brainwashed liberal with no work ethics or a brain. Unions do nothing but take your money and the union officials live rich off of you. You have been brain washed to think just what the unions want so you will continue to vote them in the work place thereby the union officials can continue to live rich off of your union dues that you get nothing in return. Unions create brain dead lazy workers. I have seen it many times and have been in a union that did nothing but collect the dues and get rich off of me.

    • olfartnv

      Unions SUX. When I started working I HAD to join the UNION! Only took a few years to find out the UNION was only for THE union! Unions are only there to collect dues from fools and support the UNION leaders!

    • http://yahoo gator

      WAR, is 100% correct, the teachers are POOR PERFORMERS and should be FIRED! its no surprise this comes from obamaland. THE KID’S DESERVE BETTER!
      i suppose the lifepartners ‘little eddie/flasshy would disagree as they can’t produce children.

    • Sharen

      Why do we need unions? I worked for a company and did not have to join a union. I was payed on merit and attendence and made a good wage to support my family. I also had the best benefits health ins, dental and eye ins. To keep good employees my company had these benefits. With all the litigation today I am sure the teachers could find someone to fight for them if there was an issue but most union members do not need the union for assistance.. Why do they have to pay union dues. Maybe some of that money should go toward there health and pensions. Not to the union higher ups. who do absolutely nothing for there wages.

      • Smilee

        All your post does is show how ignorant you are about unions it makes clear you do not know what they are or what their leaders do and the what legal protections the law gives union members but leaves non union employees at the mercy of their bosses and when a company is sold as often happens today you get new bosses whom are often not trustworthy and i have seen this more than once. The previous owner and all the management was fired within the first year and replaced with others. Did not happen with union employees. Non union employees are always at the mercy of the employer

        • http://yahoo gator

          and union workers are at the mercy of their union

          • Smilee

            In 50 years of being Union I have not seen that, stupid statement from an ignorant idiot who knows nothing about unions but wants you to believe he does. SAD!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Try working for the NEA smilee. Gator is right and you are the perfect posterboard for their propaganda. Better than ed-duh. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 선 한 싸움 동료 애국 자 올려! 하나님과 국가!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • Jeff

            Why do you fear God when you two have such a close relationship? You even speak for Him!

          • sam1966

            To fear God means to honor, respect, love, and obey him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • Jeff

            So an atheist can’t be a patriot? What about an atheist who risks or gives his life to stop a terrorist attack? Not good enough in your book?

          • sam1966

            There are no atheists in fox holes. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • Jeff

            Did you get that non-answer from Romney?

          • http://naver samurai

            Actually, I got it from Korean War and Vietnam War veterans. My father doing 3 tours of Vietnam also told me this. It’s amazing how many people will turn to God during war or a heavy fire fight. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

            P.S. I’m not dogging the question. What I said is what I believe, take it or leave it.

            “A patriot without religion (Christianity) in my estimation is as great a paradox as an honest man without the fear of God. Is it possible that he whom no moral obligations bind, can have any real Good Will towards Men? Can he be a patriot who, by an openly vicious conduct, is undermining the very bonds of society? The Scriptures tell us, ‘Righteousness exalteth a Nation. Sin is a reproach to all men.’”

            Abigail Adams

          • Smilee

            And you are a man whom god forgot to give a brain

          • sam1966

            I see you still use the classic 5th column strategy of the personal attack. This shows that you are the less intelligent of the 2 individuals. Try working for the NEA where the head of an area gets paid more than $100,000 a year and their pention is the same. These high pension costs are draining our state’s budget, but fortunately our governor erased collective bargaining and turned Indiana into a right to work state. I guess Governor Walker of Wisconsin and Chris Christie of New Jersey were not the only ones to see the light. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 선 한 싸움 동료 애국 자 올려! 하나님과 국가!

            You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

          • Jeff

            Are you drunk? Are you in a bar? If not, then why talk as if you are?

  • a j foster

    I usually agree with your opinions but in this case something that is the elephant in the room is not mentioned. It is a taboo subject in our misguided era of self esteem. Class discipline. When I went to school the teachers were in charge. The parents give no support , the child disrupts the class and it is the teacher’s
    fault which results in a low performance rating. How much would you want to work in these conditions of abuse and threats from snot nose hoodlums? The inmates are in charge of the institution and no help for the teachers is in sight. There will be trouble in the ranks until spineless politicians are replaced by people who understand the basic problem.

    • 45caliber

      a j:

      There is a charter school in Chicago that takes only those students who have problems in the regular school system. They have little or no problem at all and over 90% of the students go on to colleges. The director, who used to be a Chicago teacher, stated that 45% of the Chicago school teachers should be fired for incompetency. (She quit the public school system and set up her school in disgust and to show that the public teachers were bad by taking their problem children.) So you can’t state that the charter schools, who do better, don’t have the same problems the public school does. Yet they do much better. Perhaps that director is right!

      • Chester

        Sir, in THAT school, the teachers are allowed to discipline the child when the problem occurs, not call the office for permission to send him down, only to be told to leave the poor kid alone and let him throw his fit. Also, because the PARENTS are paying a bit more for that school, they are MORE involved with what is going on there, thus paying more attention to what their child needs. Also, if you look at the teacher/student ratio, you will find far more teachers per student than a public school is even allowed to have, primarily due to “budget constraints.” When your only power over any given child is the ability to make threats that he knows you can not fulfill, it isn’t long before you can’t control those who do not wish to be there in the first place, and the only way they can be kicked out of school is if they are CAUGHT with a firearm on school property.

        • Liberty Lover

          Thanks for listing some of the reasons that most urban public schools don’t work.

        • a j foster

          That is great and sure beats what we have. Glad to hear it. Thank you

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “45caliber,”

        SIR, I KNOW NOTHING OF THE CHICAGO-CHARTER SCHOOL YOU REFERENCED. BUT, I DISAGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT THOSE STUDENTS HAVE LITTLE OR NO PROBLEMS.

        MEMPHIS HAS A CHARTER SCHOOL FOR “AT-RISK” CHILDREN WHO HAVE HAD DEALINGS WITH THE JUVENILLE-COURT SYSTEM. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING – AS A SUBSTITUTE TEACHER – THOSE CHILDREN WERE SEPARATED FROM THE MASSES BECAUSE SCHOOL-ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIALS DID NOT WANT THOSE “AT-RISK” CHILDREN TO INFLUENCE THOSE WHO HAD A “CHANCE.” WHENEVER I RECEIVED A CALL TO “SUB” AT THIS SCHOOL, I DECLINED BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, NOR, FELT I HAD THE EXPERTISE TO DEAL WITH “AT-RISK” CHILDREN.

    • TexasRide

      Face it, the libs run the Department of Education. Today I am for abolishing just about everything in this mess we call “government.” Not only do we need to abolish the unions but the doe needs to go, as well.

      You liberals got what you wanted in the schools, so enjoy it.

    • the big easy

      @-aj——-Yes sir,like TEA PARTY TYPE candidates !! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !For the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,NOT for the union thug bosses pleasures,vices and indulgences.—-Just look at Wi.,they have gotten to a point of getting a balanced budget, ( because of a CONSERVATIVE GOVERNOR ) and NOW the union thugs have gotten some ‘flea-infested flea-bagger ‘judge’ to overturn the ‘WILL OF THE PEOPLE’.——–What a bunch of pukes——————And then look at Ca.,the another flea-infested flea-bagger–moonbeam–has gotten that ONCE great state into a fiscal fecal cesspool,with all the gubermint employees and the unions getting all those GOLDEN retirement packages,AT THE EXPENSE OF the TAX PAYERS,which by the way get NO SUCH PACKAGE,they just get the PRIVILEGE OF PAYING FOR THEM.

      • Chester

        In that case, what you CALL the “will of the people” was very much the VOICE OF THE GOVERNOR. It seems that the only reason he is still in office there is because so many people believed the only justification for a recall was the actual commission of a crime while in office. Also, if it truly WAS the will of the people that unions be abolished, or stripped of their power to bargain, then someone will rewrite that law so it will pass inspection by that judge, and others to come after him.

      • Greg

        big easy- AMEN!!! Bulls-eye!!!!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      If we want education in this country to change, WE have to change!!! We have to STOP letting the government dictate everything about our lives! “They” don’t want our children to be knowledgeable any more than they want us to be knowledgeable! They want us all to be sheeple! They (the government and corporations) have intentionally created an ENVIRONMENT in which children misbehave and are disrespectful. And just like everything else, we weren’t paying attention and allowed them to do it! They have dumbed down the curricula and have acceptedlow performance and bad behavior. It’s exactly what they want! Unless we recognize what they are doing and why, nothing will improve, it will continue to get worse! We need to get involved and say NO!!! We won’t accept it any longer! We need to turn off the TV and take back our lives!

      • Flashy

        “We have to STOP letting the government dictate everything about our lives! ” <— Nancy

        OK..so you're giving up your SSI, your medicaid, you're going to stop using public roads and utilities, you'll forgo all businesses that have SBA loans or utilize tax credits and property tax relief (uh oh..you won't be able to shop at Wal Mart anymore!) , not listen to weather reports (rely on guessing), stop using phone and internet, buy your food 9after waling to the store0 from outlets which have only private farm produce and meat which was not grown/raised using any Ag programs or government grazing and irrigation rights, stop mail delivery, not use hospitals or health care..including doctors paying student loans or educated in colleges receiving public funding or research dollars … and we haven't even scratched the surface.

        Have a nice life…

      • TexasRide

        Flashy, right out of the demonrat handbook, the same one that tell us “You didn’t build that!”

        Think for yourself and quit being a “parrot!”

        Americans built everything in this country. They are the ones that paid for these things and they built them! Big government makes it all more difficult and they just need to “get out of the way!”

        America knows how to be free and prosper, but it is handicapped by those that want to turn us into a third-world-country! We know who that is and we are mad as he// about it.
        No matter what happens there probably won’t be four more years of the same…it will get worse. JMO.

      • Smilee

        TexasRide says:
        September 20, 2012 at 10:03 am

        A PORTION OF YOUR POST SAYS:

        “Americans built everything in this country. They are the ones that paid for these things and they built them! Big government makes it all more difficult and they just need to “get out of the way!”

        MY COMMENTS ON YOURS:

        You certainly know nothing about our history, almost all of this country as developed by our government, almost every acre of land was given people free they did not pay for the land (homestead act of 1862) Remember the Louisiana Purchase well the government bought it and then gave it free to the people. the government has helped many start business, subsidized many companies etd.etc. It was government that made it possible people to build things and companies. If you had not taken Obama;s statement out of contest you would have know this is part of what he was taking about. We all stand on the shoulders of our ancestors even Steve Jobs did, much of the knowledge he pushed forward was on the backs of the knowledge of those whom acquired it before him, The republicans insulted our ancestors by their slogan at their convention and we should be insulted and those of us whom honor our ancestors work and knowledge that made it possible for us to build on are insulted. Government haters like yourself is what is going to turn this into a third world country. Underpaid workers and wages going lower will put more and more into poverty and unions if we supported them more would be very helpful in this regard as history has also taught us. Those who do not learn from history will have to relive it and rebuild it and will probably not be able to without the help of government as the way we did it before. You are a loose can and devoid of good ideas and not very knowledgeable about anything. Obama has a lot better understanding of our current situation than does Romney and if he is given the needed time he will prevent us from becoming a third world country, Romney does not know how how he only knows how to make big money and in his own words cares nothing about the 47% and his economic plans for the future which is geared to making more money for the few and this is always the case in third world countries and Obama is the best bet to prevent it if it is not already passed the tipping point as we have been headed that way for thirty years. Obama was not the creator of this mess but on the horizon today he is the only one whom stands a chance to avoid it if there is a chance.

      • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

        Some good observations, Nancy. Flashy seems to have a problem with not using government facilities. The Post office is a fine example.. Raising prices sometimes twice a year for decades and they still can’t balance their budget and are closing offices. Stop using roads? Yes, the ones we can’t afford. SSI is what WE paid into any way and that should not be up for discussion. The way the government spends $ we’ll be very lucky if that fund, which is NOT thiers, has anything left anyway. You sure can’t live very well on SSI! When taking one third of our wages for taxes we deserve better. Too much waste, largess and too many laws that don’t apply to the political elites. Since the government started giving money to schools we’ve seen them drift to the left and become like prisons complete with surveylence cameras at every turn, metal detectors and police at the doors. These kids are learning all right, just not what we think or want. Nuturing, growing and the excitement of learning have become nearly impossible. A teacher with 30 students can’t pend even 5 minutes with a child. Just when the light of a literary realization comes on we shuffle them on to another room and an other subject. Same with science, math ……. It’s a wonder that any student learns anything of substance under those conditions. Wait…… looks like they aren’t! But wait, kids won’t do their homework, you say. Well, look at correlation studies between time spent doing homework and actual learning. For elementary school kids there is NO correlation and only a very weak one for high school age kids. Yet we keep demanding it. The fire for learning must come from inside, it just can’t be forced in by the system. We need fundamental change and that is most likely getting the guberment OUT! If things stay on the same course as we are now, ObamaED will be next.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Nancy in Nebraska,”

        MA’AM, HIGHER EDUCATION PLAYS A ROLE IN THIS PROBLEM. COLLEGES REALIZED INNER-CITY-HIGH-SCHOOL SENIORS WERE UNABLE TO PASS THE “ACT.”

        SO, HIGH-SCHOOLS STARTED TEACHING THE “ACT.” YES – IT IS A TYPE OF “DUMBING-DOWN” IN THE SENSE THESE STUDENTS DO NOT HAVE A BROAD KNOWLEDGE OF CURRICULA STUDIES. BUT, URBAN LEADERS WERE CRYING “FOUL,” BECAUSE FEW MINORITIES WERE GOING TO COLLEGE.

        NOW, THIS “PLAN” OF TEACHING THE “ACT” HAS “BACK-FIRED” BECAUSE MANY MINORITY STUDENTS “DROP-OUT” AS SECOND-SEMESTER FRESHMEN, OR, FIRST-SEMESTER SOPHOMORES DUE TO AN INABILITY TO “GET-OFF” ACADEMIC PROBATION. IT SEEMS COLLEGES HAVE RESPONDED TO THIS SITUATION BY ALLOWING GRADUATE-TEACHING ASSISTANTS TO TEACH FRESHMEN AND SOPHOMORES, INSTEAD OF, REGULAR FACULTY. PROFESSORS DO NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH THE “RIFF-RAFF.” MANY STUDENTS AT LARGE UNIVERSITIES DO NOT SEE THEIR FIRST PROFESSORS UNTIL THEY BECOME SECOND-SEMESTER SOPHOMORES OR JUNIORS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/customborg Ben Warford

    You know what? I think that blaming teachers is a load of crap. Try blaming the
    parents of these kids how drop out of school you will find that they don’t give
    a damn. and that they don’t push their kids to do their best and get good
    grades. They don’t because they expect teacher to raise their kids. as for there
    pay many of these teachers have masters degrees and work for the kids until 11pm
    every freaking night. I know because my wife is a teacher. You think it is the
    teachers but what about the administration and the school board and all the
    freaking budget cuts. Yep you still think they can teach when there are 40 kids
    in a class and no paper or pencils and not enough books to go around. I am sick
    to death of having to buy supplies because the parents can’t be bothered to
    spend the money on the stuff their kids need instead of buying the cigarettes or
    worse. Yeah blame the teachers. so what is the cost of living in Chi town
    anyway? Do you know? I don’t maybe they get paid that much because it cost so
    much to live there. Maybe it’s it is hazard duty pay I don’t know and I don’t think you have a clue ether. So yah blame the teachers it’s the American way don’t take any responsability is’t someone elses fault.

    What a load of crap…

    • http://kaspermfg2live.com Dave K

      Ben you should open you mind to the possibility there are humans working here and every one makes mistakes you included .I can tell you there are some in principle positions that tell our children to leave school and never come back WOW there is some one i want to pay more money to today

    • cj

      Ben, if there’s not enough supplies, maybe these teachers, who are the highest paid in the country, should just pay for the supplies out of their pockets. When teachers take more of the budget for schools, there WILL be less for supplies.

      • 45caliber

        For some reason every time someone points out that a school system is doing a poor job (as Chicago is) the teachers’ union immediately states that if you pay the teachers more money, they will do a better job. But it never happens. The way I look at it, I’m paying the teachers an agreed upon wage THEY agreed to take to do the best job they can of teaching my kids. If they can improve if I pay them more then they are cheating me by not doing the best job they can even though they promised to do so when they were hired. And if they are doing that … they deserve to be fired so I can get someone who will do the best they can. Sadly, many of the teachers are doing a good job but we aren’t allowed to determine who those teachers are and reward them for it because too many bad teachers don’t want to be identified and want the same rewards the good teachers get even though they refuse to do the same job.

      • Flashy

        45…I can see your viewpoint, and it has some validity. There is a small district near my abode (near means about 100 miles). School was run down and dilapidated. They couldn’t recruit high quality teachers unless they paid above scale. the contract came up for negotiation and the local PTA jumped in. The deal was cut. If the teachers agreed to a pay and benefit freeze having only a Cost of living increase…the state and School Board would build a new school, and the locals would pass a bond to add to the basics of a new school. Today, the town has a new school which has internet in every room, high speed with video capability. it has a brand new shop teaching IT work and basics of IT engineering, the sports teams have new uniforms and modern weight rooms, cardio machines etc etc

        The first year the school was inundated with teaching apps. This year, the second since the new school opened, they announced the previous year’s test scores and attendance rate was record breaking.

        Apply the same to your workplace. you go to work in a dilapidated building, your mindset is ‘I ain’t getting paid enough to work in this dump” and your morale and energy for work isn’t the highest.

        How’s that fit with your views of “give them more money” ?

      • 45caliber

        Flashy:

        There is a big difference. Chicago teachers want increased pay. The school you are talking about is spending on the school and supplies. I don’t have a problem with spending on the school; I have a serious problem giving pay raises to someone who won’t perform.

        • Jeff

          The strike was not primarily about wages.

      • Flashy

        I understood your viewpoint, and agreed to a point. I tossed that out there to see if we agreed in targeted funding…appears we do.

        I have to admit, this is a failing on schools…and i think would be supportive in the final analysis if School Boards and states would think about the situation.

        When i went t HS, we had a well equipped Shop where we were taught the basics in welding, machining parts, wood work, automotive. While some have talents for writing, math, etc..others have the knack to fix things. My father had a HS degree…but you could put anything that was broken in front of him…and he’d look at it, pick it up, hum to himself…and an hour later it would be back on the table fixed and running. He had that type of aptitude. But anything math related such as reading a balance sheet etc? Forget it…it ain’t gonna happen.

        Today…go ahead..ask a teenager to tune up the car. Odds are, most won’t even know the size socket to use to remove the plugs. And weld a straight bead with a simple electric arc welder? LOL … yeah…uh huh …sure…

        It’s not all about wage and salary. it’s about dilapidated schools and School Boards forgetting that w all have a certain aptitude for something…and not all have the same aptitude or interest ..

    • TexasRide

      Ben, these Chicago teachers are getting 2 Million in retirement. I think they can buy a few pencils.

      • Smilee

        EACH??????? Really????????? your nuts

      • Flashy

        Texas…please detail how you arrived at that $2 mil mark. Or are you parroting what a glorified bookie wrote 9without any way to verify accuracy)

      • http://yahoo gator

        TEXAS RIDE, you are talking to obamaboys, they are most likely dropouts from chcago high. actually the retirement was 2.4million TAXPAYER $$$$.

      • http://yahoo gator

        hey TEX, keep in mind flasshy/smilee/eddie have to speed read the articles, so they don’t grasp the complete meaning or intent, they have alot of obama propaganda to spread and time is short, real short.

    • Paul B.

      Libs complain about lack of funding for supplies and more teachers to reduce class sizes, but a HUGE part of the cost to operate the schools is the retirement packages of those NOT working. You are basically paying twice the wages for teachers when you consider the amounts we pay for retirees. It has become such a drain on resources, and they wonder why there is nothing left for the current kids and teachers.

      It is a system and situation our elected politicians, spending and promising OUR TAX dollars, NOT THEIRS, to avoid conflict and to get elected. why do you think MOST major cities are run by Dems…. they reward unions in return for getting elected. then they make sweet deals for unions knowing that when the S**t hits the fan, they will be long gone and someone else’s problem. That is signature Dem governance…. creating problems fro someone else to deal with.

    • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

      Great comment, Ben. In my opinion teachers are being setup for failure from the beginning. Class sizes ARE too big and for a teacher to be truely effective they need to really know their students. When the light and excitement of something new begins to shine, guide & nuture it so that it will shine brighter. These are LIVES we’re talking about not commoditities. Each one is different, develops different & has different interests. The government establishes national tests and tries it’s best to funnel them all though the same filters. That’s a system ripe for mind control which is the dark side of education. What would help is to put more teachers in the classrooms so that individual interaction is possible and we’re not using herding techniques. Our priorities are a little screwed up/ We’ll spend trillions bailing out companies with poor management (GM, ins. companies, banks, …) and even more on stimuli while closing schools and cutting education budgets. A society is measured by how it cares for it’s old folks and children. We’re failing on both counts.

  • http://aol Al

    Great idea. Fire them all.

  • http://firefox wog1

    They should have fired the teachers. Regan would have. But the a follower of Obama the worse the situation the more they seem like it. Now they should fire the mayor.

    • ProLiberty

      So true!!! And I mentioned on a previous post, my husband is an airline pilot. Told he had to pay union dues or could not be an airline pilot, pure and simple. He hates it. My husband is a libertarian who works hard for his money and knows that his union dues are being funneled right to the Democratic Party. A party he has never ever voted for. Oh how I wish Reagan could deal with this one.

  • http://theconservativecrawfish.wordpress.com reelman1946

    Education cannot find teachers…all colleges report lower numbers going into education…gee, I wonder why.

    The problem with education is …parenting/gov-meant and liberal admins/unions.

    When parents do their ONE job…that is, “sending a respectful child willing to learn to school” AND the gov-meant stops quotas for failing/suspending/expelling students…
    the rest can work…not a day before.

    All presidents and most governors feel compelled “to reform education” but miss the points above…so in about 3 years “the reforms” get reformed…then fizzle fade fail…get replaced by the next “visionary” lol.

    I am a retired educator who was in the high school/cmty college classroom 35 years.
    Reality is not an option in education…when it becomes an option, call me.

    • 45caliber

      I keep hearing that there aren’t enough teachers because they aren’t paid enough. Yet Texas has little or no problem finding good teachers. And we certainly don’t pay as much as Chicago does. I wonder why that is…

      • Realist

        That’s way too easy to answer. No one with a brain would attempt to try to educate these degenerate animals called the children of Chicago. Most do not graduates anyway. I say have the kids get a skreet degree! (part of Obama’s army)

        • Jeff

          Gee, I wonder which kids he’s talking about. Dog whistle, anyone?

      • Flashy

        As you were saying about texas not having issues?

        Sources are NEA, Dept of Ed, and Politifact

        Texas has a decades-long history of uneven and inadequate education funding that has left many poor and minority students struggling, according to Linda McSpadden McNeil, director of the Center for Education at Rice University.

        “Certainly poverty is one part of it,” McNeil said, but the problems are also caused by inadequate funding and language difficulties. “We have a system now that actually stacks the deck against the poorest kids and the (teachers) who are devoted to teaching them.”

        ” the percentage of Texas residents with a high school diploma had increased to 79.6. But other states increased at a greater rate, leaving the Lone Star State ranking dead last. The Census Bureau includes Washington, D.C. in its data, so Texas actually ranked 51st…”

        ” Texas is #49 in verbal SAT scores in the nation (493) and #46 in average math SAT scores (502).

        Texas is #36 in the nation in high school graduation rates (68%).

        Texas is #33 in the nation in teacher salaries. Teacher salaries in Texas are not keeping pace with the national average. The gains realized from the last state-funded across-the-board pay raise authorized in 1999, which moved the ranking from 33 to as high as 26th in the nation, have disappeared over the last five years.

        Texas was the only state in the nation to cut average per pupil expenditures in fiscal year 2005, resulting in a ranking of #40 nationally; down from #25 in fiscal year 1999.

        California has nine nationally recognized research institutions; New York has seven; Pennsylvania has four; while Texas, the second most populous state in the nation, has only three.

        Out of Texas’ 145 public and private higher education institutions, only one private institution, Rice University, ranked among the nation’s top 50. Only six (2 public and 4 private) of Texas’ 145 higher education institutions are ranked among the nation’s top 100.

        #35 Number of schools identified as needing improvement based on adequate yearly progress, school year 2004 (199)

        #35 Percentage of 8th-graders scoring at or above proficient in reading in school year 2005 (26 percent)

        #35 Percentage of 4th-graders scoring at or above proficient in reading in school year 2005 (29 percent)

        #36 High school graduation rates in school year 2002 (68 percent)

        #46 Average math SAT scores in school year 2005 (502)

        #49 Average verbal SAT scores in school year 2005 (493)

        #36 Student to teacher ratio in public elementary and secondary schools, 2005 school year (14.9:1) (The student to teacher ratio in Texas has not significantly improved since 2000.)

        #33 Average salaries of public school teachers, school year 2005 ($41,009)

        #40 Current expenditures for public K-12 schools per student in Fall enrollment, in fiscal year 2005 ($7,142) (According to the National Education Association, Texas was the only state in the nation to cut per pupil spending in fiscal year 2005.)

        #40 Percentage of revenue for public K-12 schools from state government, school year 2004 (38.6 percent)

        California has nine nationally recognized research institutions; New York has seven; Pennsylvania has four; while Texas, the second most populous state in the nation, has only three.

        #46 Per-pupil public school state funding, school year 2003 ($3,255)

        #35 Percentage of population 25 years or older with a bachelor’s degree or higher in 2004 (24.5%)

      • 45caliber

        Flashy:

        Some of your info is wrong – and other parts of it is simply window dressing. What does research have to do with teaching kids? Nothing. It is simply glamor for the university that does it. I get my info from the schools – and they have little problem finding teachers. Particularly the smaller schools. The biggest problem in the school systems here is the state has a tendency to take school funds for the state’s use. They call it the Robin Hood Plan. Rich school districts are required to “share” their funding with poor districts – but the money goes through the state and they keep about 90% of it.

        Also, never believe anything about California schools being good. When I was growing up in AR, it was considered among the bottom five states in quality of education. California was number one. I went to California one spring and had to attend their school system for one month. I was immediatly among the top 5% of their students. One reason was that the books and classes they were teaching were the exact same ones I had used – a year before. They were a complete year behind AR! Further, when all schools were required to test their students on the same tests, CA dropped from first to about 45th.

        Every state tends to lie some on its school system since the quality tends to attract business to the state. But I will stick with what I said about Texas schools, despite your figures.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      I agree with your post in its entirety. But I would point out that parenting today, is NOT like parenting was when we grew up. When we grew up “society” was behind parents. Parents had “tools” in their parenting tool box. My parent’s generation and even mine, were “allowed” to discipline children. It’s not that way any more. The only tool in a parent’s toolbox today is “time out”, and that’s not a very effective tool. Even scolding has become taboo, as we dont want to hurt their precious little self esteem. Today’s society encourages out of control kids. It is glorified on TV every day! In our day we watched programs such as Leave it to Beaver and The Brady Bunch. As unrealistic as they were, they encouraged manners and good behavior. Today’s programming does the exact opposite. Parents are encouraged to let their children watch TV and play on computers all day. After all, it’s not safe to let your children go out and play. In some parts of the country parents lose their children for letting them go out and play. It is considered “neglect”. Society also encourages parents to buy their children everything they want. A parent is made to feel that their child has to have every Thomas the Train or every car from the Cars movie and $100 American Girl Dolls. After all, all the other parents do it. Every movie that’s released, every video game, society says if you’re a good parent, you will get it all. Children have no incentive to behave and parents have no idea how to make them behave. They THINK they’re doing what they’re supposed to. In addition to being bombarded with these messages everyday, the government is reinforcing the idea that parents don’t need to parent. They are trying to take over parenting from the parents. They think they can raise your kids better than you can. They’ll feed them (even on weekends and in the summer). They’ll clothe them and give them backpacks full of supplies. Head Start will take them from infancy, practically. The only time the government expects you to parent is when your child has been naughty at school. It is time to give parenting back to the parents! It’s time to TEACH them to parent. It’s time to get all of the garbage off the TV or get rid of it. As it stands now, in order to parent correctly, you would need to live in isolation as parents AND children are being bombarded with the exact opposite of what we SAY we want! As a society, we must DEMAND change! We KNOW that what we have doesn’t work but it is sooooo easy to blame these young parents who have no tools to work with. I raised my children during the time that the transition was taking place. It was difficult, as most of their friends were on auto pilot. I can’t even imagine what it would be like today.

      • Carrie

        I want to live next door to you, Nancy! That’s a great, well-spoken summation of our situation these days. I am the 49 year old mother of an 8 year old boy, and I can tell you that he has heard from me numerous times over that I don’t really care what the family next door is allowing their kids to see on tv, play on the video game machine, listen to on their I-pods, etc. – I refuse to allow his childhood to be stolen away. It does take parents standing up and saying “no” to what’s not appropriate and having the courage to be the weird one or the mean one or whatever. And as far as school is concerned, in just two years of public school (K and 1st), I already saw inappropriate behavior/language coming home, not to mention that I was not amused by some the music with numerous sexual references and vulgar language that was played in gym class, so we homeschooled last year. As for the Chicago teachers and their situation, I know that PART of the problem is indeed kids who are not prepared by or supported by their families to be excellent students (and that teachers all over the country are up against the odds when they teach in areas that economically depressed, etc.). But when they elect to make teaching their life’s work, it’s hard to believe that most teachers don’t know that a) this is a serious existing problem in some areas, b) that they can’t go into teaching expecting it to be a high-salary career, and c) there has to be some accountability for their performance in the classroom when there is a level playing field (i.e., they teach in an area where all the kids have school supplies, decent food, a winter coat, etc.)? For Pete’s sake, it’s ridiculous to pay anyone any salary for any job and to not expect that there has to be some accountability as to them actually DOING their job. Not proud right now to have been a former life-long Chicagoan…

      • Jeff

        Nancy:

        Most of what you say is doubtless true, but why have things changed? What has changed in the economy that has led to these changes in the social fabric. The ’50s are often viewed by traditionalists as the Golden Age of American society. We were on top of the world economically, a blue collar worker could support a family and send his kids to college, and few married women had to work. Because of increased competition from the rest of the world and policies undertaken over the past 30 years, there are few non-professional workers whose earnings are sufficient to support a middle class lifestyle. This means both parents are working. June Cleaver doesn’t vacuum in her pearls anymore.

        In the ’50s, we manufactured a lot more. Many more workers were union members, and that fact raised the wages of many non-union workers. CEOs made 20 times what the average worker did; not 200 times. Nothing is going to bring back a time in which we outproduced the entire rest of the world, but we can enact policies that are more family-friendly. Corporate values are not family values.

        • Liberty Lover

          Increased taxes are the principal reason that it generally takes two working adults to support a family these days. And the biggest factor behind those rising taxes is a huge expansion of the welfare state.

          • Jeff

            LL:

            I know you’d like to blame it (whatever it is) all on Obama, but taxes were much higher in the ’50s than they are currently.

          • Liberty Lover

            In your world and his, it’s all about Obama. Linking my comment to Obama is fatuous. You also happen to be wrong on the message when the total tax burden is considered.

          • doc4977

            thats the dumbist thing i ever heard, how can you say the taxes were higher in the 50′s?
            we are taxed on everything look at your phone bill,cable bill electric bill, we never had these taxes in the 50′s, where is all this money going? retired teacher’s in pa just received a 25% raise in addition they collect social security. i worked at a lot of school’s and know that most teachers here get close to $200 thousand dollar’s a year, and guess what they say the raise wasn’t big enough. fire them all and privatize the schools. we would get a better education system, and get these teachers tested every year and background checks and drug tests,most people in the private sector have to submit to background tests and drug tests, the taxe’s on our phone bill is going to pay for the welfare bums to get free phones.

          • Liberty Lover

            Just to clarify, doc, it was Jeff, not I, whose comment about the tax burden was “the dumbest thing you ever heard.”

          • doc4977

            sorry about that i am new to this ,i just get burned up when i see the demands of greedy people especially since our public education system is becoming the worst in the world.
            i have to put 300 dollars away every month to pay my school taxes, i wouldnt mind if we had a good education system but the unions ruined that.

          • Liberty Lover

            Only $300 a month? Count your blessings!

            I am an honorary member of a teachers’ union, an “honor” bestowed on me for being the only school-board member to show up for each of the ceremonies where the best of the bunch were honored. It was a shock to be given that dubious honor because many years earlier, when that same union was engaged in a “job action” (an Orwellian phrase to describe teachers doing only the minimum required by their contract), I tore into them for wearing message-bearing red shirts into their classrooms. I created enough dissension within the ranks that they discontinued the red-shirt tactics, proving that one man CAN make a difference.

            Another of my contributions to the union was to publicly edit communications from them for the benefit of local newspapers. The highest-paid teacher in our district (also the second-highest ranking union honcho) signed a public letter for the union that was riddled with spelling and grammatical errors. After my public corrections, I think they discovered Spell-Check.

          • doc4977

            that $300 dollars is only for my school tares i still have to put away for township and
            county taxes, i get

          • doc4977

            i live on social security so $300 dollars is a large chunk of my budget i also pay township and county taxes, i also pay $153 dollars a month for my suppliment healthcare, add to this phone,heat, tv ,internet,food , and a lot of other bills thank god i made investments or i could never make it, my point is school taxes are my biggest budget buster, i have no children in school and maybe the ones that do should start to help pay for their childerens education instead of home owners footing the bill, we were supposed to get a property tax reduction in pa from the caseinos that we voted on well all the money is going for everything but tax relief.

          • Liberty Lover

            I sympathize. School taxes are making life miserable for seniors throughout the country. And the schools are turning out graduates ill-prepared to be productive, critically-thinking citizens. It truly is America’s greatest tragedy;

          • Smilee

            The Chicago teachers are said to be the third highest paid teachers in the country and they get less that $80,000 a year so your post seems far fetched and for a professional that is not overpaid. Taxes per capita and adjusted for inflation were higher in the 50′s and there were taxes on utilities some federal and some state. The highest tax rate on taxable income was 90%. Also federal spending was higher per capita adjusted for inflation. Does not sound like your old enough to remember that or you have forgotten.

          • doc4977

            i dont know what planet you come from, but making $80 thousand for working 180 per year plus the best healthcare in the world. you better look at all the taxes we pay now compared to the 50′s there is no way we are paying less, you must be a teacher, the thing is is the more pay teachers the worst our education. maybe we wouldnt mind paying these salaries if we had a better education system. school taxes are excessive and lots of people are losing their homes because of it. private schools have a much higher graduating class.
            do you think its fair that people have to sacrafice so the teachers can live like kings and queens, i understand these teachers dont want to be tested because most of them would fail. have a nice day

      • 45caliber

        Nancy:

        I blame Dr. Spock, the “child expert”, for a lot of that. My wife among others of that time read all his books when we found we had a child on the way. She was always upset because I spanked them for doing something wrong because it might hurt their egos.

        Children always have egos far larger than they need unless someone has destroyed it. And spanking simply makes them think.

        My wife insisted that we should NEVER spank! So one day I told her she was responsible for discipline. After a month, she decided I was right.

        Incidently, Sen. Feinstein (CA) said that the reason she wants to ban spanking is because she was abused as a child. Her example? When she was 16 her parents got her a new Mustang. Her mother took her keys away because she started going over to her boyfriend’s house every evening. That PROVES she was abused!

        • Jeff

          I just feel like you’re leaving something out of the Feinstein story. It sounds like one of those made-up apocryphal stories Reagan used to tell about welfare queens. You know, facts do matter. I think even Romney is finding that out.

    • Paul B.

      Why should they graduate and get a job? The Dem system says that they don’t have to graduate, much less get a job… they will be cared for by DC with their unlimited supply of money. Their parents are taken care of, their grandparents were taken care of, and they know that all they have to do is get a woman pregnant and they will get paid even more.

      they sit back and complain about poor work opportunities, of course it’s never their fault, so in return, DC should care for them. If they are lucky, they get one of those cushy union jobs where 3 people get paid to do the work of one, further ingraining a slothful perspective on work and earning a living.

      It is this culture of dependency on DC that has HELPED create this problem in our inner city schools where the problem seems to be the worst. Yes, county schools have similar issues, but the largest problems exist within the Dem controlled major cities with Dem controlled education and welfare systems

    • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

      Excellent comments Reelman. I taught in higher education for a long time and could see the decline in incoming students. Just to get many up to speed we began teaching remedial classes in math and english. No credit was given but students had to pass them, before formal admission into the university. After a few years of that we found that we were expending enormous resources on a student population that a miniscule chance at getting a degree of anykind (even a certificate) so the program was abandoned and acceptance standards raised. That also raised our graduation rate which is a measure the state looks at to judge the kind of job we’re doing.

  • ImListening

    These people are a disgrace to the Teaching Profession. I’m embarrassed because of them and their shallow, self centered and their self righteousness. There isn’t a reason why public servants, school teachers need to be unionized…. Or any other public servant.

    • 45caliber

      There are many good teachers in Chicago, I’m sure. However, the vocal ones you see on TV news are almost always not the good teachers. Most of them may picket since they will lose their jobs if they don’t but they aren’t screaming and grandstanding. They are interested in teaching the kids rather than babysitting.

      • Smilee

        You can tell from a TV interview that the teacher is bad, are you for real, that is a joke!!!!!!!

      • TexasRide

        smilee, want to know the first clue a teacher is bad. That is when they were born and raised in this country and they speak an unrecognizable form of English and are unable to put together a sentence!

      • Smilee

        OH!! your so funny!!!!!!!

      • Flashy

        ” That is when they were born and raised in this country and they speak an unrecognizable form of English and are unable to put together a sentence!” <–texas rider

        Ya mean…like when speaking with someone having a Texas accent?

      • 45caliber

        No, Flashy. It is more like the English teacher I saw on TV years ago complaining that she didn’t have her contract renewed due to racism. Her comment began, “They ain’t got no reason …”

        Do you want your student to learn English from a person who has NINE grammatical errors in one sentence? There are two in just those five words!

      • 45caliber

        Further, Smiley, it isn’t hard to guess who the bad teachers are in a strike like that. The good ones are secure in their jobs and know it. The bad ones are those who are very upset at the idea of performance reviews and are most vocal about stopping them since they KNOW they are bad teachers!

  • Dinh c Dao

    Look at what Union did to our economy in 1970s,1980s! The cost to pay for an Union worker so high that it started to create Domino effect of Jobs moving to over sea.
    Look at Good Year, BF Good Rich, Firestone… Thanks to Unions! Thanks to you to sh…where…you e…!
    Thanks to million of you just to show up but never work (and do not blame NAFTA).
    Your Union workers are the one to blame for your own grand kids jobless.
    Union workers has to look at their back, for sure you need a big mirror to find your own scars!
    Wake up!

    • eddie47d

      Ben Warford got it right and teachers do have a tough job and tremendous discipline problems with inner city students. Too many disruptions and constantly having to repeat assignments. The students that don’t do the work slow down the progress made with the other students which makes overall test results abhorrent. The problem isn’t the teachers so much as it is the administrators and parents. Should they be fired? Good luck in firing a parent. That $2.4 million “golden parachute” is extremely misleading also.That is parceled out in a monthly retirement package so those who die early will never see that much. It’s not like Corporation CEO’s who receive lump sum golden parachutes plus retirement pensions. There we are talking about exhorbant millions.Personally I don’t think these teachers should have asked for any pay increase but should have been more concerned about administration policies which effect them more. Money won’t make a teacher teach better anymore than putting money into a CEO’s bank account will make that company function any better.

    • Smilee

      Baloney, There were tax incentives to send jobs overseas and they did it to break the unions and it worked in many case and the jobs left were so underpaid that in 1986 and since they enacted laws for the government to subsidize these underpaid workers as a result of companies lobbying the gov for this special favor, they do it through wage subsidies, child care subsidies, food stamps for workers, section 8 housing for workers, medicaid for workers etc. all become a reality since companies started sending jobs overseas and under paying the workers left with jobs. Did you know you are paying through your taxes for this favor to industry. It was never the union wages and benefits that were too high it was the attraction for real low wages over seas and in some cases slave labor and some of our companies caught using slave labor and you think american workers can compete with that union or no union. These low paid are the workers Romney looked down his nose at in the recent famous video of him at fund raiser.

      • eddie47d

        The anti-union crowd thinks it’s great to deny a decent wage to American workers yet seem to be okay with sending those same American jobs overseas. Where the new workers are back to sweat shop conditions and no benefits. Where these new employees work in unsafe and even dangerous factories. That is a step backwards and unconscionable but is allowed.

      • Realist

        Thanks! ‘seein there’s no jobs left here to protect…how’s about sending your union buddies overseas to our “other” factories. I am sure they will be greeted with open arms.
        Errrrr…cocked arms…hmmmmmmm.

      • TexasRide

        eddie you got it backward! The unions should be abolished to keep the jobs in this country…not the other way around.

        Typical LIBERAL SPIN!

      • eddie47d

        Yours is typical conservative spin! I’m not sure if teachers are over paid or not and some might be. I personally wouldn’t want their job of being stuck in a classroom. Unions in general are a good things for most employees. Amazing that we had the most productive nation in the world when unions were the strongest. Wages were good and the world respected us as a nation. The Middle Class grew by leaps and bounds when workers were paid well. Now look at America. CEOs pay themselves obnoxious salaries and outrageous bonuses and that is without the golden parachutes which add millions and even billions to their bottom line. Unions and pensions were slashed and burned by those CEOs and the Middle Class were left high and dry. It wasn’t the unions that caused the economy to implode because the unions were already decimated. 35% when the economy was good to 10% now. It was Corporate greed and Banksters working hand in hand that sent those jobs overseas and made a mess of our financial system. So think again Tex.

      • Smilee

        You really are serious about wanting turn this country into a third world country. Shame on you

      • Smilee

        This post ias meat for Texas Ride

        Smilee says:
        September 20, 2012 at 10:52 am

        You really are serious about wanting turn this country into a third world country. Shame on you

  • John

    I was one of the USAF controllers that was commanded, albeit happy to fill in for the overpaid, spoiled, government hired, and taxpayer funded civilian controllers. I made 1/3 as much for doing the exact same job in another government sector. I went on to permanently replace a fired controller. I had no choice In the matter coming from the military. I do have a choice now, and would gladly and willingly take one of the striking, spoiled, overpaid teachers jobs if only someone in Chicago government would have grown a pair and done the only sane thing possible and fired their sorry butts. Rest assured, I would also be a better teacher and produce better results, or I would surrender all pay and benefits. Want to go on strike in our state? Please come down south and try the same idiotic, selfserving thing. Please.

    • ProLiberty

      Love it! I live in Georgia. We are a tad different here on that kind of thing. Love how we are all told we are so “greedy” but these precious public sector union workers with their pampered, overpaid salaries and pensions are never greedy. They are just standing up for “workers rights.” Ha! And the union brass, no they could never ever be considered greedy. Yeah right.

    • 45caliber

      John:

      I fully agree with you.

    • Realist

      SCAB!!!**LOL**…No really thank you for your service..at least we had a pool of men and women to carry on the mission of air safety. Too damn bad teachers can’t be replaced like that but then Chicago is no place for scab teachers with scabby students!

    • Polski

      I was in the US Air Force in Waco,Texas at James Connally AFB. The way it worked was when the Air Force person was discharged, they came back to the base as a Civil Service employee to do the very same job at 3 times the pay.

  • Liberty Lover

    Absolutely right, Wayne. Collectivism breeds mediocrity, always and everywhere. Teacher unions have been hugely damaging to education. Had your recommended actions been taken, the Chicago school system would have been swamped with applications from better teachers willing to work for substantially less than the terms snubbed by that union.

    Ultimately, we need to turn over education to the private sector and let innovation raise the quality and lower the cost. I don’t mind seeing outstanding teachers earn seven-figure incomes as their lessons are transmitted through technology to millions of students who are assisted locally by teacher aides. There are already schools being organized along these lines with “strikingly” positive early results. It can’t happen fast enough!

    • eddie47d

      You made several good points Liberty Lover although I don’t think there will be a rush to teach in inner city schools or any school that is failing. No matter how much you offer teachers outside these lower rated schools they won’t come. Teachers want to teach in a safe disciplined worry free school so no amount of money will entice some. Teachers WILL work at almost half the pay in those quiet public suburban schools or private schools. One day of working in a shoddy school or having to deal with bad behavior will turn any teacher off so increased pay is not their major issue. Its like stress pay (combat pay) and some do deserve it.

    • 45caliber

      The Communists in the USSR learned that. Why bother to do a good job when others making the same pay don’t even bother? And they can’t be fired? Production dropped off and they couldn’t even supply themselves, much less others. That’s why the USSR went down.

      • eddie47d

        Russia mainly fell because of expansionism (wars) and spending billions on weaponry and world wide intervention. They plain and simply couldn’t afford it anymore.

      • 45caliber

        And they couldn’t afford it any more because they weren’t getting enough money into the government to pay for it because their production had dropped off to almost nothing.

      • eddie47d

        That is one of your worst spins Caliber.

  • http://www.cindynel.co.za peter

    No two ways about it! The Unions have been largely responsible for the lack of productivity everywhere. Unions should be banned, the teamsters, shop stewards and their henchmen should be suitably allocated a not too comfortable cell in a not too comfortable prison somehere and told to understand that AL is gone and threats, coercion and bombastic attitudes are no longer acceptable. Of course that would not suit the present incumbent of the White House, since without these thugs he would’nt be President anyway. Maybe they are actually his boss! Never thought of that before. Food for thought. Is he maybe connected to the Mafia somehow?

    • 45caliber

      peter:

      Originally the unions were good and did a good job. But they encountered two problems. First, the Mafia and Syndicate got involved. After all, there were millions of dollars coming in that didn’t require the union officials to do a thing to earn. That was like the protection racket the criminal groups ran. “Pay me or your business may burn down.” “Pay me or you won’t have a job.”

      And second, they fulfilled their mission. They are no longer needed.

    • eddie47d

      You are not even half right Peter “thugs,mafia,prison” doesn’t even belong in the conversation. You are the one who comes across as a wanna be gangster pushing your phony bravado!

    • Polski

      The unions have kept the CEOs making $23 million per year from bankrupting the company. The unions technical expertise has kept these executives from bankrupting the company by putting out excellent products despite executive mismanagement. Unions are more necessary than ever in this era of CEO theft, politician stealing.

  • Incompetent teachers are child abusers

    Here’s something for you to think about.

    It has been reported that 40% of Chicago’s Teachers send thier own children to private schools that means they are aware that public schools are inadequate and not worth a damn. In fact these “teachers” are stealing the childs time that could be spent in a school that desires and is capableo f teaching them the skills they need to know to a productive in life. .

    It has long been my belief that teachers who conceal or do not expose others teachers who are inept, not qualified or just lazy and do not produce grade level student are just as bad as the slackers and consequently are child abusers. My question is this . . . Why are we rewarding child abusers with a raise and better benefit than we ourselves get?

    But that does not tell the whole story! The rest of the story is That 50% of the Chicago teachers do not have school aged children so added to the 40% of the teachers that elect to send thier own children to private schools means 90% of Chicago teachers do not send their own scoin to learn in the places they themselves are contracted to teach. Is it any wonder that the students that come out of chicago schools are educated at less than 50% of grade level?

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    • eddie47d

      That only proves that inner city students aren’t getting the education they deserve which takes us right back to poor administration policies. The teachers who send their children to other schools could be excellent teachers but it’s the environment they have to teach in makes them fully aware of the problems. Unions are there to help teachers have a positive work environment and to make a salary that reflects the job conditions. Are unions and the administration playing a cat and mouse game where the students are ignored? There seems to be some truth to that with the failing public school system and failures abound. My kids were educated in the public school system in a major city but mostly in suburban settings. The teachers were extremely good but worked in a very safe and comfortable environment. That was also 20 years ago and even our inner city schools have improved where we don’t have the problems that Chicago has. We still do have a drop out rate that needs to improve.

  • Joe Hammond

    Too many times I have heard that the private sector makes people responsible for their actions. Yet, people like Jamie Dimon, Charles O. Holiday, Vikram Pandit, John Mack, Lloyd Blankfein, and Greg Curl who helped cause the 2008 collapse are still in positions of power and still pulling bonuses all out of proportion to the “quality” of their work.

    When our economic leaders start to be held responsible then we can hold the little guys responsible. Leaders lead through example and the ones we have say “Take the money and run!!”…..

    Is Wayne still a turncoat against the libertarians or has he come back to the fold?

  • Former Union Member

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    belonged to two large unions, the ITU for over 25 years and to AFGE for over 20 years so I know what I am talking about. Unions could care less about the individual. Unions are predominatly there to perpetrate the unions and keep union bosses in elite positions. If you have an individual grievance it will not be supported unless it affects either the elite, the leadership, the union as a whole or a great number of the membership. Individual gievences are generally given lip service and swept aside when mgt does not wish to change. .When the ITU merged with the CWA only the ITU union bosses were provided with cushy jobs with the CWA the rank and file was given a pittance of severance pay an left to fend on thier own.
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    • Smilee

      I had the exact opposite experience in forty years being a teamster and we had union employees that said the same thing as you but they hated unions but it was not true of our union. Some people think that if they were not in the union they could persuade the company to pay them more etc. You know the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. If what you say is true in your case I’m sure it is the exception not the rule.

    • eddie47d

      Unions don’t own any company and are at the mercy of management. They hardly get everything they ask for and rightfully so. The owner has the final say in whether benefits are handed out. Neither unions or management should be adversaries but partners in achieving a common goal. That would be reasonably paid employees and a safe working environment. Management shouldn’t be bullied by unions and workers should be treated with dignity by management. Fairly simple reasoning in reality but not always in practice. My wife was a CWA member for many years and even a steward. She also went into management for about 8 years. She was the go to girl for both the union and management and each side respected her. When the company went downhill the losses were directly tied to the CEO’s who ran the company. They syphoned so much money into their own pockets and padded their retirement packages that the business tanked like the Titanic. The workers and lower management didn’t benefit and thousands were laid off. Union membership went way down because the money was gone to support it (from membership)not because it wasn’t needed.

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  • 45caliber

    Keep in mind that the unions were set up back during the early 1900′s when the crime “families” were powerful. As far as union officials are concerned, the money they collect is “free”. Many of the unions were taken over by the criminal “families” … and I can’t really tell that the modern officials are doing any differently than the criminals did running the unions. Hoffa didn’t disappear becuase he was a wonder man who was trying to reform the unions.

    • Smilee

      His son has. He is a lawyer and could make much more practicing law than running the union so it is no financial incentive for him to do so. Also follow the money, most unions today have little money and the gangsters always follow the money they left the union halls years ago and they now reside in the board rooms of the big financial and corporate enterprises were the real big money is today.

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Unions are like the government people. They put another layer of overhead on whatever they do adding to the cost. Union management, union dues, who pays them but the end users, us. Unions mean people do not enough confidence to hold down a job on their own. There’s another side to the story. Businesses must deal fairly with their help. They must always remember that without labor, they’d be on the unemployment line. Owners and management in this country pay themselves obscene money which draws a division in people. Sony, the Japanese company, has only 24 people running the company. Their wages are less than half of comparable US companies. In summary, we’re tearing ourselves apart. Nobody is doing it for us.

        • Smilee

          You certainly are totally lacking in knowledge of unions and how they work, The biggest error in judgement you have is that the individual does not do his job on own worth. One of the biggest misconceptions is that if you are union you cannot be hired, nothing could be further from the truth and I have been involved with firing numerous times as the shop steward over 40 years and good management that documents a employees work record and the employee does not perform the job up to standards can and is fired. like I said as steward I have been in discussions numerous times over the years and about 90% of those fired stayed fired. In fact the company monitored its union employees far better than its non union. I agree employers need to deal fairly with their employees but often do not and unions make sure they do and without them employers get by with not treating them fairly, I agree with the rest of your post.

      • 45caliber

        Smilee:

        The only way that he could make more as a lawyer than as a union official is if he finds some big thing like tobacco to sue over. Check the wages of top union officials. At one time about 15-20 years ago, 9 of the top 10 salaries in the US went to union officals. I’ve not seen such a list since.

    • eddie47d

      Yes Caliber there have been good unions and bad unions just like there are horrible and greedy CEO’s and there are extremely well run companies with and without unions. Banks are totally non union (not credit unions) and they are filled with devious people at the top. That is why they are called Banksters (criminals). Look what they did to our economy over the years so try being a little more honest in divvying out the criticism.

    • Patriot

      What happens when the Criminals have taken over the government and control all these unions? That is how we have gotten to this point and how an Obama can be elected, the wolves are in charge of the hen house my friends!

      • eddie47d

        Was that in your dream last night or a one second brain fart?

      • MarathonMan

        Look how unions ” helped” the American auto industry into oblivion.
        Union owned is a financial failure, and now is the prime contractor providing vehicles to guess who?…….the Federal Government.
        Now with GM the being the main provider there is on one vehicle for every 6 Federal Employees. See how well Obama’s social justice agenda is working.

    • Smilee

      Jimmy Hoff’s salary is currently $294,000.00 as I lawyer he could easily make a lot more than that and do it without tobacco. money It amazes me how many on this site believe the unbelievable, but a lot of these same people seemed to be filled with hate and anger and then the truth often become irrelevant to them. My CEO in my company was making over 6 million when I left there ten years ago. When I started with the company he was making $29,000.00 and that was a 7:1 ration with the lowest paid when I left 40 years later it was almost 700:1, Union executives today make but a small fraction of what the CEO’s make. .

      • Jeff

        Yes, people always want to believe that others are getting a better deal or a scam than they are. The system is set up that way. The Bain Capitals of the world take 11 slices of the pie, then tell angry white guys that (Blacks/Mexicans/Unions/younameit) are taking their slice.

        Somebody here said some teachers make $175,000 a year in NJ, I think. I find that just a bit hard to believe. Sounds like what a Superintendent makes. Teachers with 35 years of service might be making around $90K, but the average teacher is making much, much less.

  • Flashy

    “Yes, I said each teacher gets $2.4 million in retirement. Each.”

    Oh c’mon. can stats and numbers be warped and whacked out of reality any further? Noted that how this number was arrived at is excluded from the article…though plenty of blundering pap of nothingness was written. Nor sources where one would be able to analyze how this number was reached. Criminey….one has more disclosure from a used car salesman…

    “Why do charter schools work so much better? Hmmm, could it be because they are non-union?”

    LOL…in a Conservatives wet dream. Perhaps because charter schools have the luxury of cherry picking from the student population and having applicants interested in whatever narrow focus the school specializes in? A 76% graduation rate from cherry picked student population ain’t exactly something to wave about and brag about. The slower students, the special ed students, the “d and flee” students…all are counted in the numbers for public schools. Now, how many special ed students does anyone know about graduating? yet…they have educational needs which are filled, yet not counted in the “numbers” used by advocates of dumbing down our nation.

    Charter schools have a place…they are, in almost every aspect, private schools. Private schools using public funds in part to keep the doors open.

    Teacher unions have a place. There is abuse, yes. But to say they should be banished simply because of pro slavery of labor mindsets think so?

    As for Chicago specifically…ummm…seems the union is backing down. Using techniques and a stance far from the extreme of fire and then search for replacements in the beginning of a school year.

    The real question is … why do people demand labor must be taken to the levels of slavery and that it is a commodity which the cost should not be bargained for?

    • Bill

      The main reason the teacher unions exist is to keep the administrators at bay…from turning the profession into a sweat shop. The teacher’s day doesn’t end when last class bell rings, there are papers and tests to be graded, meeting with parents and even meetings with parents at their homes in the evenings and weekends. They are required to do quite a lot of uncompensated work. That story is never told by guys like Root. You make some great points, Flashy…….I can personally remember the era of teacher shortages……no one wanted the job….seems those student loan repayment thingies got in the way because starting salaries were so low. There were positions in inner city schools that no one in their right mind would want to fill,,,,,,it wasn’t about anything except personal safety, and low compensation for a thankless job. Teaching is not something that you just go into with no investment of time and money. Most kids coming out of college have huge debt after investing 4 or 5 years of their lives. Continuing education mandated by the states makes it a continuous condition.
      I have worked construction all my life, but never union……but this much I do know…all of the workplace conditions that are in place today are a result of the trickle down effect from unions…..no owner ever decided to pay time and a half overtime just because he thought it was a good idea……5 day/40 hr work week..same thing…….holiday pay and vacation pay……..still don’t exist at a lot of small shops…..some of them won’t even provide a water cooler on 100 degree days……The value of unions will not truly know until there are none, IMHO

      • Patriot

        I am so sick of hearing how hard teachers work during the year, most of us work just as hard if not more all year long and I do not get to retire at 55 years old at 80% of my last 3 year salary. I would hope that teachers would work 12 to 14 years days, which most do not, since they are paid for 12 months when they work only 7 to 8. Once tenured they never have to worry about their performance, BooWho!

        Hey Flashy figure is out, here’s the math since you probably did not learn it. Avg. teachers in Chicgao earn $76k per year, so that equates to the older ones making in the $120 to $130k range, 80% of last 3 years salary is $96k minimum x 25 years is you got it $2.4 million, yes Million, where do I sign up for that racket!

        Our country and states are broke, which means that their is zero money, when this system all collapses and it will, all these folks will be lined up starving to death, because the checks stopped coming. Wake up people before the real [expletive deleted] hits the fan!

      • Antirino

        Have you checked the salaries of the plentiful school administrators? You would be surprised, and hopefully disgusted, when you see what they receive. These principals and superintendents, child study team directors,et al have very little pupil contact time. Cutting these enormous salaries would help every school school district in the country. Administration answers to no one, and show up for the “dog and pony show” once a month for the school board meeting.

      • Antirino

        Have you checked the salaries of the plentiful school administrators? You would be surprised, and hopefully disgusted, when you see what they receive. These principals and superintendents, child study team directors,et al have very little pupil contact time. Cutting these enormous salaries would help every school district in the country. Administration answers to no one, and show up for the “dog and pony show” once a month for the school board meeting.

        • doc4977

          teacher’s no matter how much you pay them it is never enough, they are parasites on the taxpayers i doesnt seem fair the raises they get with so many people unemployed.
          their health care is the best in the world they even have full nursing home coverage,
          they never lose and thing if they go in a nursing home. 180 work and they dont work no 8 hour day our schools start leaving out at 3 pm dont start till 9am so where is the 8 hour day?

      • Smilee

        During the last legislative session here in MN a ninety year old plus retired female teacher wrote a long oped piece in the Minneapolis paper describing what teaching was like before unions and it was really bad, unbelievable really, she said until they unionized they were never treated with respect or received decent pay. She said everything improved after they went union. She is a real strong union supporter for teachers unions even today and advocates strongly for them even now. She taught 50 years most non union so she should know what she is talking about. I know where i worked for over 40 years the union employees enjoyed a lot more respect that the non union employees, most did not envy us and most that did also hated unions. I believe it was jealousy misplaced, Better wages, better benefits and pensions but mostly the high level of respect we enjoyed was what made working with union representation such an enjoyable a job. Teachers perform one the most important jobs in society and deserve a high level of respect and due to the high importance of the job they do, much higher wages as there are many jobs of far lessor importance that pay much more and our children are are greatest asset and tearing down teachers is tearing down our children and their future as well.

        • Jeff

          I agree, but remember this strike wasn’t really about wages. As a result of the strike, the kids will get a much better, more well-rounded education. Part of the settlement involves the District hiring many more art, music, and special education teachers. Now, public school kids may experience a bit of what private school kids are routinely afforded. It won’t close the achievement gap, but it may provide the incentive for some kids to stay in school long enough to mature into students.

  • sesame

    Not a bright idea Wayne. Where are you going to get qualified replacements hired with background checks and in the classroom in a hurry One can’t get qualified replacements at the drop of a hat particularly in the numbers that the Chicago School System would need. The stroke lasted only 8 days. You need to get real and learn how the world works.

    • Smilee

      Union haters never stop to think, if they did they would know you are right.

  • Loose Louie

    I too think they all should have all been fired and the union disbanded. Just as the air traffic controllers years ago. It’s a damn shame that the people of Chicago have to pay those teachers that much, let alone all the benefits they get. And they only work 9 months of the year. And then for the teachers to not want to work an extra hour or so is rediculous. Then the city of Chicago has to hire 600 more teachers to take their place. What a joke. If I was Rahm Emmanual, I would have fired them all the third day and sent them packing. Teachers are never happy with what they have.

  • http://twitter.com/rulken kenneth russell (@rulken)

    Since the teachers think it’s such a good idea to use the students as hostages, to get their unreasonable demands, I think this coming summer, we need to fire the entire staff and start over. Keeping only the teachers that have a good record of producing good students. There are so many great young college graduates looking for employment, it should be no problem filling however many teacher positions that need filling.

    • Smilee

      Hostages?? oh come on, it takes two to tango and management was just as responsible for no agreement, cooperative people find solutions but both must dance to the tune. Union haters always blame the unions irregardless of the truth either way.

      • Patriot

        Just who is management? Management should be the taxpayers, we have no voice in this process! Com’on dude!

    • Bill

      My son invested 2 more years of his life while working a full time job to complete a transition to teaching curriculum. He even took the state tests and invested in the necessary licenses. Then the state legislature and governor got involved and they passed laws that no new hires could expect to ever be compensated more than an additional 10% of their starting salary over the life of their teaching careers. So do the math..if you are lucky enough to get $30,000 starting pay and the most you can ever expect to rise to is $33,000 over a 20 year career… as my son says…”piss on them, they are not renting my diploma”…..he is still doing his original job, paying his original student loans and the added expense for an education that he is unwilling to use in the education field because there are no hope to better himself. If they create a job that nobody wants, nobody will take it.

      • Smilee

        Bad teachers are not as big a problem as it is made out to be but what you describe certainly drives away many and I suspect the better ones. When so many jobs of lessor importance are being paid much more than these jobs that are one of the most important jobs in our society is it any wonder that this is a big problem in schools and their outcomes today. We have become a society that wants everything but is unwilling to pay for it so much so that in government today it chooses to to borrow instead of tax to pay for our spending, We cannot raise our own incomes but governments can raise taxes and in the wealthiest country in the world it is a disgrace to borrow rather than tax when if done right can will solve the problem for all and I not talking about the current income tax cuts as of the last decade when this became a real big problem, When income taxes where the highest rates are on wages and other incomes are either exempt or pay a lower rate of taxation. We complain about SS going broke as an example when the tax is only on tax first $106,000 of wages and only on wages and on no other income and most ideas to save it is to make the lowest paid and the SS recipients the only ones called on to solve it. Makes you wonder does it not.

  • DavidL

    Hey Root, at it again I see.

    Why would you fire someone for doing something that is legal?

    If I were a teacher facing upwards of 40 to 50 students in my class and my professional evaluation was based almost totally on student test scores, I’d go on strike too.

    • Realist

      DavidL says:
      September 20, 2012 at 9:39 am

      Hey Root, at it again I see.

      Why would you fire someone for doing something that is legal?
      ———————————————————————————
      Demonstrating during a scheduled class and denying children
      an education is legal? That’s child abuse!

      • Smilee

        That’s a pretty fast spin!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • FreedomFighter

    Why Didn’t We Fire The Chicago Teachers And Start Over?

    No not just fools in government, the government leadership are not fools they are evil and bringing down America, because thats the plan there masters have that put them in power.

    We have the puppet masters, our government leadership, and the fools that follow them, all working in concert toward the destruction of the United States of America — just read the Alinsky plan.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Amelia

    Being a teacher is a great responsibility for teaching children who, in turn, are the future adults who will “run” this country.It’s not just a job, but a duty they have obligated themsleves….a job that is 180 days of the year ..giving them time to do as they please with the remained of the year….Test scores do reveal how well the teacher taught her studentss, sof course there will be slow learners, or those who do not want to learn, but this is where a good teacher can be put a test on how well this problem is handled….

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      It use to be teachers were satisfied to teach and would do it for room and board. The excellence of their students was their reward. They enlightened, not indoctrinated, as they do today.

      • Liberty Lover

        There was a time when teachers deserved to be called professionals. Those days have long since passed.

    • Antirino

      Test scores DO NOT reflect teachers’ skills. They reflect the students desire to learn and their cognitive ability, and, to a great extent, parents’ interest in and involvement with their children. By the way, how would a gym, music, and art teacher be evaluated?

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    The NEA, National Educators Association, is probablt the most powerful union in America. Politicians fear it, to put it bluntly. Chicago’s godfather wouldn’t dare fire teachers. Besides being the nations most powerful union, it’s probably the most destructive union in America.

    Work falls in three categories, White collar, Blue collar and service people. White collar people are willing to take chances to better thamselves. Blue collar people want the security of having job. Service people equip white collar and blue collar people to do their jobs. We need all three for our society to work. Doctors, lawyers, teachers, social workers, their there so generation to generation people will be better epuipped, physically and mentally. Money cannot be their goal in life but now? The NEA has converted a service position into a factory workers position. Teachers use to take pride in the students they turned out. Now by and large teachers are satisfied with pushing a product through and hoping it gets by quality control. Because of the union, teachers that want to teach are pushed down and held back. There’s no extra reward for turning out good students. On the contrary, they are frequently chastized by those that are there for a paycheck. The Chicago “teachers” earn an average of $71,000 annually and were offered a 16% raise. By the way, they don’t social security to show you how powerful their union is.

    • eddie47d

      “Work for room and board”. What century are you living in? My sister in law is a school teacher and has to go back to school (college) every year and be tested or she doesn’t get the pay raises. I know how some on the right treat farm workers and how they love cheap labor but get a grip.

    • TexasRide

      No, I don’t believe that unions or any other civil servant or government workers participate in social security because they have their own built-in, lavish retirement plans (the taxpayers provide them.)

      No government agency employees participate in the programs that other Americans are compelled to do….like the IRS. They do not pay any of the deductions that the rest of the people have taken out of their checks. Nor, will government workers be participating in obamacare!

    • eddie47d

      Is that more Conservative spin Tex. We’d all get dizzy listening to you. Government employees do pay into Medicare and do file taxes so why say differently. Most pay into Social Security although a few still pay into the old Civil Service plan. I know Texans tell tall tales and you are living proof.

  • mark

    The U.S. military is the highest-paid, best-equipped, best-trained, most expensive military in the world. And they still can’t win a win in Iraq, Afghanistan or in Vietnam. So should we fire them all, Mr. Root? I think not. They have been given an impossible task by idiotic political leaders. Similarly, school teachers are scapegoats for massive societal problems: parental abandonment, drugs, alcoholism, a collapse of morals and the work ethic, lack of parental-enforced discipline, and the spoiling of so many of our children by overindulgent moms and dads. School scores are quite good in suburban neighborhoods where more parents care, but are pretty awful in inner city schools where many -but not all- parents are MIA or AWOL, and horrendous temptations and gang madness, teen-aged pregnancy, etc, abound

    Teachers and their unions share some of the blame for educational failure but there are other villains in play here including past U.S. governments, Ronald Reagan comes to mind, who helped move so much of our manufacturing overseas, and left our cities bereft of good-paying union jobs that used to give people and parents in our cities hope, pride, strong families, and a real future.

    • 45caliber

      mark:

      The US military has been controlled by Congress since WWII. Up until that time, once war was declared, Congress was out of the loop. The President would appoint generals to run it and basically HE was then out of the loop. The generals would win the war and everything was fine.

      However, after WWII, Eisenhower ran for President and won without any problem. The politicians were livid. He had DARED to push his way into the Presidency in front of them! Only a politician was supposed to be President!

      When Korea came along a few years later, McArthur was in charge. And after WWII, he had an excellent rep as well. Congress and Truman took advantage of the war to fire McArthur to mess up his rep and prevent him from running. They did the same to Westmoreland in Vietnam and even some of the generals in Iraq and Afghanistan. They have never since turned control of the military over to a general without their “leadership”.

      THAT is why the military hasn’t been successful. The military must obey rules set up by the non-leaders of Congress, many of whom don’t like the military in the first place, and the Congress does NOT want any general to get even a slight reputation as a leader that might encourage him to run for President.

      • mark

        You’ve got your history wrong. The Korean War started in June 1950, Eisenhower was elected in November 1952. Our recent wars have not been Congressional Wars. Congress has been completely cut out of the process. Presidents don’t even bother to go to Congress for declarations of war anymore, they wage unconstitutional, presidential wars on their own. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were all clearly presidential wars – and unconstitutional to boot.

        • Jeff

          The problem has been the Congress has been consulted and has given these presidents the authority to begin military action. The president then takes that as the equivalent of a declaration of war, though it isn’t. The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was a perfect example. Johnson used a minor non-incident to ask for authority and the Congress was too ready to give it to him. It’s rare for Congress to turn down a president’s request for authority to conduct “necessary” military action.

          In the case of Iraq, the b.s. was evident to many of us. I cannot understand why as many democrats gave in to Bush’s request as did. But it’s also clear Bush lied when he told Congress he needed the Resolution to pursue a peaceful solution. That was never his intent and the Senate Democrats should have known better. Cheney was nothing but an updated McNamara.

          If Congress had to declare war, maybe we’d avoid debacles like Iraq, but it also might make some quick interventions impossible (Bosnia, Libya). If the president is going to have that much power, we need to hold him accountable for the decision. To blame Congress for Bush’s decision to invade Iraq is an attempt to deflect responsibility from the Executive where all the decisions were made.

    • 45caliber

      mark:

      Incidently, one of the problems with the “good paying union jobs” is that they have priced themselves out of the competition. A company can only pay those wages if they can sell their goods for enough of a profit to cover it. Right now, GM receives government tax money to cover their “good -paying union jobs.” So every GM car you may buy is supplimented by your tax money. And it was good Demos who wanted many of those businesses moved out of our country. Their argument was that the people in the third world countries needed jobs and the best way to get those jobs was to encourage companies to move their businesses there. I’ve been on this wheel since it began. Don’t bother trying to blame Republicans for the shift so they can cheat the workers. In fact, it is quite likely that Boeing will be moving jobs overseas because the government refused to allow them to build a plant in SC instead of at their site in Washington. The reason is not the pay – the reason will be because Boeing can’t control the growth in that area. Another very big reason for companies moving is the growth in government regulations. For instance, why bother to build a plant in El Paso in the US and pay to meet all government regulations when they can build it directly across the border in Mexico and not have to worry about it?

  • tony

    It is logical to assume that the CTU used the threat of UN Involvement if their Demands were not met . And either way this trend will consume the Public School system in the USA as we see more and More conflicts over Funding for the Unions and or schools as the USA Depression continues and expands . http://truthaboutib.com/obamaduncanib.html

    • Chester

      Tony, using your logic and view of the world, it would only be fair to say that you would threaten UN involvement if your boss couldn’t or wouldn’t see things your way. I doubt very seriously that the CTU even mentioned the UN, as that would be counterproductive.

  • mike

    THE ATC HAD SIGNED A NO STRIKE AGREEMENT WHEN THEY WERE HIRED POSTAL WORKERS SIGNED THE SAME AGREEMENT BUT WERE NOT FIRED IN 1970 NIXON TRIEID TO MOVE THE MAIL WITH MANAGERS AND NATIONAL GUARD BUT IT DID NOT WORK OUT VERY WELL POSTAL WORKERS GOT A REAL SWEETHEART CONTRACT WHICH IS EVEN BETTER TODAY

  • Chris

    Whatever marginally legitimate reasons unions may once have had for existing, have been long since overwhelmed and negated by patterns of union corruption and criminal behavior. There is no “right” to strike. If you refuse to work, you have terminated your employment and the employer has every right to find a replacement willing to do the work you won’t.

    At most, unions should be replaced by what already exists and functions quite well in many states – professional associations, who have the ability to collectively represent and articulate the collective concerns of their members, but have no negotiating power and no monopoly on the dues of their members. Such associations focus on job training and making their members more valuable to employers, and provide job placement assistance so that if a member does not like the conditions or pay at one employer, they are able to find work at another.

    Public sector unions? No way. If private union workers become too much the parasites they will kill their host – the employer. Governments by definition can’t go out of business, and the extent to which those of us who pay taxes (extracted by force and threat of force) are being required to pay for the greed and excesses of those who are elected to and hired to work in the government, is a fundamental immorality and a near – if not actual – criminal act against our individual rights to liberty and our property.

  • rodney burke

    Unions aren’t all bad but when they resort to bullying and physical violence they are criminals and that is a documented fact…at least in forums like this. There should ALWAYS be a choice if someone wants to join the union. And no threats, intimidation or anything ELSE if they don’t. Otherwise this becomes a dictatorship! Which Barry the bastard wants anyway. The Teacher’s are a special case. Failure is documented and they are striking for wages and we are in a recession. When they start producing results….then a raise is warranted. Chicago is a model for failure in almost every way. Of course the politicians are prime examples of out of touch with the world.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      There is I believe 18 states that have right to work laws. Collectively, they have the least amount of debt and are the most profitable. Japanese car companies and many other foreign companies go to them when bringing in businesses to the US. States without right to work laws, like IL, NY, CT, Mich, California and so on are the ones in the worst shape. Coincidence? Not hardly.

      • Flashy

        From Media Matters, Michigan Live and The nation…

        • Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic variables as well as state macroeconomic indicators. Using the average wage in non-RTW states as the base ($22.11), the average full-time, full-year worker in an RTW state makes about $1,500 less annually than a similar worker in a non-RTW state.

        • The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) is 2.6 percentage points lower in RTW states compared with non-RTW states, after controlling for individual, job, and state-level characteristics. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive ESI at this lower rate, 2 million fewer workers nationally would be covered.
        • The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states, using the full complement of control variables in our regression model. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive pensions at this lower rate, 3.8 million fewer workers nationally would have pensions.

        The failure of right-to-work to increase job growth is evident in the case of Oklahoma, the only state to have adopted a right-to-work law in the past 25 years. Unfortunately, Oklahoma saw no improvement in its unemployment rate after passing right-to-work: its manufacturing sector shrank dramatically, and the number of new companies coming into the state fell by one-third in the decade following adoption of the labor statute. And multiple statistically scientific analyses have concluded that right-to-work has utterly failed to enhance job growth in the state.

        For every $1 million in wage cuts to workers, $850,000 less is spent in the economy. Assuming that most of the spending would have gone to rent, food, clothing, and other family needs in local retail and services industries, this constitutes a significant loss of spending exactly when state economies need it most. A loss of $850,000 in local spending translates, on average, into a loss of six jobs in the local community. In this way, weakening union wage standards in order to attract mobile manufacturers raises a concern that job growth might constrict in the much larger industries that have come to dominate most states’ economic growth plans.

        When Oklahoma was debating RTW in 2001, supporters made all the same claims now being voiced in Indiana. Oklahomans were told that RTW was the key to expanding their manufacturing base. Most important, a series of corporate location consultants reported that Oklahoma was being “redlined” because of its labor law. In the ten years since Oklahoma adopted RTW, the number of manufacturing jobs in the state has fallen by about one-third. The average number of new companies coming into the state has been one-third lower in the decade since RTW was adopted than in the preceding decade. And Oklahoma’s unemployment rate in 2010 was double what it was when RTW was adopted.

        When confronted with the facts of RTW’s economic failure, supporters fall back on an insistence that, economics aside, this is about freedom. “Being forced to pay union dues as a condition of employment,” a website of the right-wing Americans for Tax Reform argues, “is antithetical to worker freedom.”

        But the corporate lobby’s concern for workers’ rights appears to start and end with RTW. When Oregon adopted a law protecting employees from being forced to attend partisan religious, political or antiunion meetings as a condition of employment, the Chamber of Commerce sued to block it from taking effect. The Koch brothers famously forced their own employees to sit through one-sided political indoctrination sessions as a condition of employment [see Mark Ames and Mike Elk, “Big Brothers: Thought Control at Koch,” April 20, 2011].

        Yet another example involves the Chamber’s response when twenty-nine coal miners lost their lives at a nonunion mine, and their families told Congress that their loved ones had worried about their safety but feared they’d be fired if they complained. Congress proposed new whistleblower rights guaranteeing that miners could voice safety concerns without fear of reprisal; the Chamber of Commerce vigorously opposed the bill, and it died on the floor of the House.

        The Chamber, it seems, does not believe in a right to work free of unwanted political indoctrination—or even free of fear for one’s life; the only right it’s interested in is the right to withdraw support from independent workers’ organizations.

        Indeed, the Chamber itself refuses to live by the rules it seeks to impose on unions. Unions are required by federal law to provide equal services to every employee, including those who pay no dues. On average, someone who belongs to a union makes 15 percent higher wages than a nonunion member in the same industry with the same level of education. But those who refuse to pay dues never volunteer to reduce their wages to nonunion scale. Furthermore, when non-dues-paying employees have a complaint at work, the union is required to provide them with full legal representation at no charge.

        The Chamber, by contrast, restricts many of its services to dues-paying members. Indeed, when one union employer—perhaps unhappy with the Chamber’s political agenda—asked if it could remain a member of the local Chamber without paying dues, it was rebuffed in no uncertain terms. “It would be against Chamber by-laws and policy to consider any organization or business a member without dues being paid,” explained the Owensboro, Kentucky, Chamber. “The vast majority of the Chamber’s annual revenues come from member dues, and it would be unfair to the other…members to allow an organization not paying dues to be included in member benefits.”

        The Chamber’s dues requirement makes sense. Without it, the organization would quickly go out of existence. That, of course, is exactly the Chamber’s agenda for unions.

        • Smilee

          Flashy

          Very well stated, said but true all you say is true! Thanks

      • Jeff

        The “right to work” states are also the states that are the net recipients of federal aid while the other states are net payors. On what side would Jesus be?

      • Karolyn

        South Carolina may not have a lot of debt, but neither does it have much of anything else. What it does have is high crime, #2 in the nation in # of women killed by men, high illliteracy, high obesity rate, and on and on.

      • eddie47d

        All non union Southern states have the lowest incomes and the most poverty.

  • ONTIME

    You cannot fire the teachers until you decertfy the government unions that support them because the contracts by law have to be honored. You the taxpayer because of the unions, have no representation at the bargaining table, it is one sided and benefits a parasitical relationship between politician and union, the taxpayer gets what the little boy shot at and the dubious honor of paying for all the growing cost.
    So let’s decertify the unions, rid ourselves of those who support the unions and use decent labor law to administrate to those employed by the schools…GET RID OF GOVERNMENT UNIONS…

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      You don’t have to honor contracts. You can go bankrupt and write new rules.

      • tony

        Bankruptcy of the USA is ” KEY ” to Fundamentally transforming the USA in more ways than we can imagine

  • tom s

    not too bad, $71,000 plus a year and now a hundred grand a year for a part time job, summers off, and many vacation days during the year and a short (most don’t have to put in an 8 hour day) work day??

    • Norm

      Flip Romney makes millions ($23,000,000 in 2010) and he doesn’t even work. At least teachers perform a useful function.

      • http://PersonalLiberty Doug Dare

        It’s not a part time job. We work from home most days or should I say nights, weekends and holidays. During the summer we study are subjects and complete are lesson plans for the next school year and than we come back to school for 186 days and work with students who are less than motivated. My pay check covers 186 days and I choose to spread that out over 365 days. No I don’t teach for the money I teach because it’s my passion. No teachers should NOT be in unions. No secondary and elementary teachers should not have tenure. Yes we should be given RESPECT and not belittled by citizens that have no idea what it takes to become a teacher or remain a teacher. Let me teach you, UNIONS BAD!

        TEACHERS GOOD!!!!

        Volunteer, go read to some students.

        • Carrie

          Doug, I know things can get a little ugly on here from time to time, and I have no desire to get involved in that kind of thing, so let me say that I am not trying to be insulting or obnoxious when I say this, but I’m sure you could garner a bit more respect for your views if you were to proof your posts, particularly as a teacher… I am sure you must know the difference between “One and forty students graduate in Chicago.” (meaning 41 students graduate) as you wrote it above, and “One in forty students… ” (meaning just one of the group of 40). You also must know the difference between “are” and “our” (“During the summer we study are subjects and complete are lesson plans for the next school year…”). I am wondering if you are a teacher with a substandard education (and you are passing it along to your students) or if you are simply not taking the time to proof your posts. This sort of thing is exactly what many parents are up against in many areas of the US… It’s difficult for many of us out here to give our full respect to teachers who cannot write or communicate in proper English. A typo is a typo, but this is pretty egregious. Even my third grader looked over my shoulder and said, “Geez, that guys’s a teacher?!?” I wonder how many highly paid teachers in Chicago don’t know the difference between “are” and “our”?

          • Jeff

            Many highly educated, highly intelligent people are somewhat deficient in English grammar. I attended a University of California in the mid 70s and it was surprising to me how many freshmen had to take remedial English. Some of these kids were brilliant in math and science (800 SAT scores) but could barely compose a coherent paragraph. I can remember only one class I had in the mechanics of writing – one semester in 7th grade with one of those pedantic old ladies – but everything I know about structuring a sentence I learned in that class.

      • Karolyn

        Doug, I hope you’re not an English teacher! “are” for “our”?

  • CBUETT

    This would be a pretty sweet gig if you can get it, you work 9 months a year, have every weekend off, every holiday, Christmas and spring break off. And you’d never have to be graded on your performance or the performance of your students. You can literally be horrible at your job, a utter mind numbed moron! and never have to worry about getting fired unless you sleep with a student. Priceless, keep it up America!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

    There is one flaw to your otherwise sound logic Mr. Root. All these people who you say would be lining up for these job openings would have to move to Chicago!

  • CBUETT

    AHAHA Good Point Dan, maybe not such a sweet gig after all.

  • chuckb

    the education system will never be straightened out until the union control is changed, the graduates will still be lacking in learning, these same teachers that are teaching your kids have passed throughthe same system we complain about.
    in california the failure of people trying for teacher certification is astronomical, the test is equal to a fourth grade examination, so that should tell you why we have a problem. another prime example of unionism. we need to remove this cancer from the state employment. until people are forced to stand on their own merits without the protection of unions, the problem will only increase.

    • Jeff

      I heartell that some can’t even compose a decent sentence.

      • chuckb

        like you jeff

        • Jeff

          Back to 4th grade again. Chuck, I’ll put my writing up against yours any day. You could at least use that elementary school education and use capital letters to start sentences and use punctuation. It’s just funny to read an illiterate complaining that the kids today just aren’t learning.

          As I’ve told you before, you’re neither ee cummings nor James Joyce.

  • Ken

    What was it Albert Shanker, long time president of the American Federation of Teachers said? Something like “When school kids start paying union dues, then I’ll look out for their interests.”

    I see, that despite Mr. Shanker’s death 12 years ago, his philosophy is alive and well in Chicago.

    • Jeff

      You are wrong. The strike was not about teacher pay. The teachers wanted their evaluations to be less about “teaching to the test.” Is that how you want your kids educated? Why is it OK for poor kids?

  • Palin16

    Back in 1983, I joined a non-union company. Five years later, management themselves decided we should be in a union and they handpicked one for us, with a handshake and a wink. They chose a grocery store union to represent hospital workers. These union reps had no experience whatsoever in the medical field and the only time they ever visited the workplace was when they were seeking union dues increase. We had employee handbooks that clearly stated what our salaries would be for each year. Near the end, my automatic salary increase was skipped, costly me about $2,000 in lost wages for the year.
    I asked the boss at work, what gives? She said ask your union rep. I phoned her and told her what was going on. She said “I’ll have this fixed by next Monday, it sounds easy.” I phoned her next Monday and got a voicemail stating “Hi, I answer my voicemails at 11:00 Am, 1 PM and 3 PM. Leave your message at the tone.” This went on for 3 weeks without her returning my calls. During the fourth week, she changed her phone message to “Hi, I’ll be on vacation all of this week. Leave your message.” Nothing about someone to speak to in her absense. Finally, after a month she paid us a visit at work to ask for another dues increase. I confronted her about my situation and she said something to the effect “I am not at liberty to discuss your situation, I can only say that certain Affirmative Action laws come into play.” I left the company shortly after that, moved to Nevada, a right-to-work state, got a job in the same field with a starting pay higher than what I left behind after 19 years and got a $3.50/ hour increase after the third year, which was a merit raise. The highest raise I ever got with the corrupt union was $1.00/hour. I did much better representing myself than that worthless overpaid union rep did.

  • Norm

    As an engineer, I’ve never belonged to a union. In fact there have been times (very few) when I was frustrated by unions rules requiring union members to do certain jobs that I was involved in.
    Having said that, I generally feel that unions serve a good and useful purpose. Historically unions have improved working conditions, safety, and unfair treatment for their members and for other non-union members. By obtaining fair pay and reasonable benefits, union members pay taxes and stay off the government dole for welfare and medical care.
    The real culprits in the destruction of America are the corporate leaders who have exported jobs to slave labor countries, and have destroyed America’s industrial might. Drive through our once proud, wealthy, and productive cities and look at the decaying abandoned buildings and rotting infrastructure. Look at the greedy bankers that caused the housing crisis and ensuing depression. These are the people who pocketed billions and are still doing so.
    Labor unions are not destroying America, the greedy elite are.

    • Jeff

      Norm:

      I think it is highly unfair for you to exploit, for political purposes, the ignorance and illogic of your opponents. Really, it’s a breath of fresh air to find someone on this blog who can think and who doesn’t just react with political attitudes one inherited from his grandfather who fought FDR.

      • chuckb

        jeff, how does one who thinks any one who disagrees with them is an illogic or ignorant, when they themselves don’t even reach that level???? someone said: don’t argue with a idiot, people watching may not be able to tell the difference.

        • Jeff

          I guess you never heard “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

          Your post is too easy to parody. Like boxing with a blind man. Take a look at it.

  • TIME

    For anyone here on PDL,

    Can any of you address who really created Capitalism, as in where dose it stem from?

    Who created Banks? And where do they stem from?

    Who created Checkbooks and where did they stem from?

    Who Created Savings accounts, and where did they Stem from?

    This is all quite simple if you really and truly studied history.

    ******A – Hint,*******
    It’s a group that is no longer in the numbers it once was.
    Yet they still exist in small numbers today all over the world.

    PEACE & LOVE

  • Gary

    The modern day Union is the biggest Soul-Destroying concept ever inflicted upon mankind.

  • tony

    With all this Unsustainable Monetizing of the US Debt and No Government plan in sight will this be what gathers supplort from unions and the factions that support Government as the solution and will we see a New Flag represent this Fundamental Transformation of the USA ? Will this Flag , https://store.barackobama.com/obama-2012-store-essentials/obama-2012-store-new-products/our-stripes-flag-print.html , be what Represents a NEW USB ( United States of Obama ) Fiat Currency designed to be accepted into a Basket of worlds Currencies so the USA or what could be the Fundamental Transformation of the USA to the New Order of Trade relationships When the Dollar Collapses and the USA is Nationalized under Obama for National economic security reasons ?

  • http://PersonalLiberty Doug Dare

    Let me first say I do know about Unions. Unions are good, in the private sector. Public officials (Teachers, Fire and Police) and anyone else who draws a pay check from tax payers should not strike for a pay raise. Unions are there to ensure the boss does not take advantage of the worker. The union of recent times has abused the boss and protected the worker from consequences the worker has earned. We have no FREEDOM if a Union holds the tax payer hostage. You are right it is about more than money. It’s about a days work for a days pay. The worker being held accountable for their actions, good and bad. Respect is a two way street. One and forty students graduate in Chicago. How is that good? It’s about more than economics. It’s about more than respect and dignity. Respect is given, dignity is given you earn trust! Where is the Union with 39 students not graduating. Yea I forgot they work for the teachers not parents, not the students. It’s really about America’s ideas about freedom and opportunity. There is no opportunity when teachers are more concerned about themselves than they are about their students.

    Labor unions are the only way a “working class” American can make a “step up” the economic ladder. Really, come on man!!! I have never joined a Union. in my life. I’ve earned everything I have and I’m a TEACHER! I don’t need a Union. I want to teach in Michigan but because of the UNION I can’t. They force everyone to PAY and join the UNION. Where is the FREEDOM in that?

    You have assumed to much. Unions in the public realm are excellent and don’t hold the public hostage. Unions in the State and Federal agencies hold us all hostage. If you teach you earn what the local government (We the People) can afford to pay. In good years you get paid better, and lean years you lose the raise. The Government dose not owe you a thing.

    Why climb up the ladder and kick it down for everyone else?
    Solidarity Forever you are a puppet. A lap dog who has been lied to and that’s a shame. Wake up and do your job for the LOVE of doing it. The money is icing on top. My pay day is the moment my student says “I got it, I understand” When the light comes on. I TEACH because this is my passion! My happiness is not from the $

  • http://n/a Arlen

    I disagree wholeheartedly with those who support unions. After working with and for unions for 53 years, I have to say that unions in general have outlived their usefulness.

    At one time, they did serve a purpose (to prevent child labor and slave labor, etc.). However, they now just increase costs and decrease individual initiative. And if you stop and think about it, individual initiative is what made the US the world’s greatest nation. My brother and I have both been forced to join a union to hold a job on more than one occasion. On one summer job between college years, he started out turning out twice as many units per day as the other guys in his crew. They soon threatened to slash his tires, etc. if he didn’t slow down because he was making the rest of them look bad. A similar thing happened to me.

    In Europe the unions are very strong. In the commercial airline factories, if demand for airplanes drops down, the unions demand that the same number of planes per month be cranked out. The excess planes (called “gray tails”) are parked on the ramp outside the factories. Eventually the sales staff goes around the world and offers these new planes at greatly discounted prices (below cost). Once a buyer is found, the tails are painted in their logo colors and the planes are delivered to the new owners.

    The idea of this “social welfare” system is to keep all these aircraft union people employed at a steady pace, regardless of the world economy. Some union workers over there get up to 2 months vacation per year and work only 35 (or even 32 hours) per week. The end result though is that the company loses money on all those excess planes, often resulting in a net loss instead of a profit. And the Europeans are wondering why they are in such a bad financial condition.

    During my career, I eventually worked up to become a “Master Engineer” for one of this nation’s major airlines. At the peak salary, however, I made only about 90% as much as the average Chicago school teacher but without a gold plated pension and health care plan. Something is not right here folks. Some hard nosed union people will say that I wasn’t making enough as a top engineer, but I don’t agree. By carefully watching our expenses, I made enough to live a good life, send 2 kids through private college, and invest enough for a rainy day for retirement for my wife and I.

    America is heading the same way as Europe unless we wake up and cut back on excessive union power.

    • Liberty Lover

      Your story reminds me of a tale told about Milton Friedman. During a tour of China, he was taken to a project involving construction of a huge dam. Puzzled by the fact that the workers were using hand shovels instead of power shovels, he received the explanation that use of hand shovels employs more people. His salient reply: “Why not have them use spoons?”

  • ALL AMERICAN

    WHAT A CROCK!
    THEY ARE THE BEST PAYED TEACHERS OUT OF MOST PLACES.
    IF I WAS SUPERMAN, WOULD LOVE TO STARE AT THEM WITH MY EYES…LOOSERS.

  • Old Henry

    YES! Fire ‘em ALL!

    However, you are dealing with “Goonville USA”.

    Guido would have to work overtime – and he is non-union.

  • alpha-lemming

    It’s a sad reality that most peoples perspective of history (myself included), is drawn upon primarily from their life time. I’m sure there was once a need for “Union America” in the days of the robber-baron and the sweat shop, but that hasn’t been the case in years approaching a century. It’s sorta like continuing chemotherapy (which WILL kill you) long after the cancer is eradicated. The modern “Union Amerika” (which I have seen in action) is there solely to protect the inept, absolve responsibility, and guarantee wages in excess of the skill set required (if paper-boys unionize what’s fair????? $$25-30/hr???). The great lie of the living wage argument is that not every job requires skills you could barter to support a family on.

    My case study revolves around a once beautiful little mid-western city….Decatur Illinois. When I lived there back in the late 70s (pop. ~100,000), it was home to a plethora of world-class companies including Firestone, Borg-Warner, Caterpillar, ADM (may be the last remaining large company due ONLY to the surrounding agri-business), AE Staley and countless smaller entities. There was a very high percentage of home-ownership, everyone drove new cars and had multiple recreational vehicles, and LOTS of diversionary entertainment available to exploit what was a nice level of disposable income.

    E N T E R T H E U N I O N S

    Keep in mind these are private sector unions, so the only ones being robbed were their host employers…. and robbed they were (I vividly remember a union acquantance approaching me in a panic because contract time was coming around and he confided “I don’t know what we’re going to strike for this year”….. exact quote). Entry level broom-pushers were making $13-15/hr. and all the jobs suddenly became… “Not my Job”!! Surprise surprise… ALL the businesses left, not because they hate people, but because making a profit wasn’t just hard… it was IMPOSSIBLE!! Decatur today?? the city is one GIANT ghetto…. NO business, if a building isn’t burned out, it’s boarded up (but adorned with beautiful examples of “Urban Art”), drive-bys and multiple killings weekly….. I cry when I think what it’s become…… Thanks to Unions. Granted, a jaded view and shaped by my personal history, but what am I to believe??? The greatness of the quasi-socialist Union model or my lyin’ eyes???

  • Ricksmom

    A job with a union is the only place you can maintain a job without meriting a raise, do a lousy job and keep getting an automatic raise, where doing the same job as a co-worker and one worker misses work, doesn’t carry one’s load leaving the burden to the conscientious employees and yet getting the same pay and same automatic raises same retirement and healt care as the shirkers.

    Why should people in the private sector or other non-union schools, hospitals, construction, etc. have tax payers pay for their health care, retirement, etc, getting wages three times what those doing the same job in a non-union organization. It’s also a terrible injustice that union teachers are being paid way above their grade level and yet the parents have to purchase school supplies.

    The only exception I find to this is firemen and policemen. They put their lives on the line, refrain from trying to indoctrinate others into their own beliefs, or impose on the personal lives of others.

    Union teachers are a drain on tax payers and the children nor parents are getting any bang for the dollars. To listen to some of them you wonder how they made it through high school. It is pure arrogance for these teachers to be put in the same class as firemen and policeman.

    Teachers, unfortunately, are molding children’s minds and consciousness and should only be teaching the subject matter for which they have been qualified and they definitely should be tested for proficiency and fired for the extra-curricular mind games they inflict on the students in their care.

    It seems the Chicago teachers just glorified baby sitters.

  • http://n/a Arlen

    45Caliber, Don’t you realize that Boeing eventually succeeded in building a $750,000,0000 factory complex in SC and it has been building the new B787 Dreamliners for the past several months? It was built in a right to work state to avoid the stringent work rules/wage hikes and the frequent union strikes by their assembly workers and engineers in the Seattle area.

  • MarathonMan

    If you can read this …. thank a taxpayer!

    • Karolyn

      That just means we can thank ourselves.

      • MarathonMan

        You got that right.
        Think of it this way: without taxpayer funding the public sector would not exist.
        So, thanks to tax payers we have infrastructure. No Government “gave it to us” ; taxpayers paid for it handsomely.

  • SJJolly

    Chicago teachers are working people, not members of sworn-to-poverty religious orders.

    Maybe Mr, Root knows of one or more religious orders willing to take over staffing the Chicago school system, for a fraction of what Chicago teachers are presently getting? Plenty of teachers available in India, cheap, and most speak English. And then there’s members of America’s prison population, some of whom have teaching experience.

  • bruceb64

    To all you People Arguing about if Unions are Good or bad, If So and So had to pay dues against his will, about utter Nonsense!!!. Stop and look at the F A C T S. Right here in this situation with the Chicago Teachers. They went on “STRIKE” Did not Care about their Students educations. The WHOLE Reason they have JOBS……TO TEACH OUR YOUTH!!! They “DEMANDED” A Raise when everyone else is Struggling to get a job with the hopes of maybe keeping it. They “REFUSE” The Accountability Clause. They want paid, With Guaranteed Raises, but not have to “WORK” for IT? Are these the People YOU Want Teaching YOUR KIDS??? WOW, GOTTA LOVE LIBERALS! And to H*LL with the Rest of Society. I was reading stories about the strike, People were actually complaining that Teachers Strike, while Kids Sit at home and Go Hungry!!!!! I actually Send my Kids to School to Learn…..NOT GET A FREE MEAL!!!!!

    • doc4977

      i fully agree with you teachers never should have been left to unionize, the education has taken a dive since this was left happen, they should be fired as soon as they go on strike,all retired teachers in pa just received a 25% raise thats in addition to the social
      security they receive, most teachers i know make close to $200 thousand a year that doesnt include the price of the caddliac insurance they have, they never lose their house or money if they have to go into a nursing home their insurance covers them fully for this,

  • sjbbouton

    Fire the strikers and start over? Good answer! When teachers whine, taxpayers suffer.

  • carrita campbell

    i say fire all the teachers who are greedy in the first place and as shown by the lower failure rate, new teachers wiould have done a lot better because they had no job and would then be hired. these greedy teachers should be thankful they even have a job instead of wanting more and more money. fire their sorry butts and put in new teachers. the children will benefit for sure.

  • gunner689AI

    they won’t fire them because Chicago is a demorat town with a demorat mayor and they need the union vote.
    more pay for less work; the union motto.

  • Antirino

    Where are you getting your numbers and your facts? No teacher anywhere is receiving the preposterous pension benefits you report, or the huge salaries. The students in Chicago are not victims of teachers. They are victims of poverty and drugs. Chicago is fortunate to have teachers willing to go into dangerous areas to work. Perhaps Chicago should address the horrendous circumstances its students face before entering the school building and exiting the building.

    • Liberty Lover

      And where do those horrible, dangerous conditions tend to exist? Usually in big cities governed by Democrats, aka Obama’s base.

      • Jeff

        Yes, 5 generations of poverty in our inner cities – all Obama’s fault. Go back to reading the National Enquirer. I think they have a story this week about Obama’s lovechild with one of the Kardashians!

        • Liberty Lover

          Right out of the Alinsky playbook, Jeff! Might surprise you to learn that I don’t blame Obama for every evil that exists in today’s America. He’s had a lot of help from predecessors sharing his ethics and governing philosophy…..but to a much less extreme degree.

    • Jeff

      Exactly right. There’s a reason most of the parents supported the teachers in the strike. It wasn’t even about money but about the method of evaluation because the teachers feel the kids are getting short-changed by the tunnel focus on standardized tests. Poor kids need art, music, PE, and libraries, too – maybe more than wealthier kids do. And when disadvantaged kids get to high school, sometimes it’s the arts programs that keep them from dropping out. If all that stuff gets cut because all that counts is a score on a reading test, you may see higher test scores but only because the low scoring kids dropped out of school.

  • http://n/a Arlen

    I can testify that, many years ago when I attended them for a year, the CA schools were way behind those in some of the other states. I asked why and was told that it was the heavy parochial school influence out there that brought down the average.

  • http://n/a Arlen

    Of course, I’ll bet the CA school teachers make at least as much as those in Chicago or probably more because the cost of living is so high out there. When I worked in So. CA, in the ’90′s, engineering wages were also generally higher than in most other states to compensate for the higher costs.

  • Rafael

    I can’t understand why union dues can’t be used for members retirement if invested properly. Eventualy, the money will run out and taxpayers will refuse to pay into government pension plans. One only has to look at some of the industrialized businesses that once prospered in Chicago; their gone. Sooner or later, it will happened again and employees (union members) will get the shaft. Don’t get me wrong…the concept of a union was once a good thing. However, within time they got greedy for power and wealth. Look around, they tell you who to vote for, when to strike, bus you to unfamiliar locations to support other unions, what political affiliation you will be, how much money they want from you, and the list goes on. Admitt it; you are bought and paid for. What kind of freedom is that?

  • Gary

    The teachers were not fired because the Union gave money to the election of the Mayor of Chicago and to Obama’s re-election.

    • tim

      You are the only one who got it right gary!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/kurt.vanluven Kurt Van Luven

    Unions protect the lowest common denominator. Job security? I work on commission, some years good, some not. I have not been unemployed since 1982, and I have worked for several companies. I am in demand because I’m damn good. If I was only so-so, I might want to make more than i earned, I’d join a Union. I have no problem with private unions, it is public Unions that are a problem. They basically confiscate the dues, and use them to influence elections. Wow, must be fun to elect your own boss!

  • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.condit.374 Nancy Condit

    there was a time when unions were good they helped to bring in the laws that are now in place that protect the workers rights but i do not believe that at this point they are for the worker anymore they are a business that needs people to believe in them so that their pockets get full and they cannot do anything that you can’t do for yourself you just need to know your rights and go after them. For those of you who defend the unions in a state that have a freedom to work law in some states it is not allowed if the company that you get a job at is union all people who work for that company has to join that union so yes it is forced. I know this because I have encountered both and only someone who has would understand.truthfully a competition to get better pay if you do better would make it better for our kids as they would learn more and maybe the ones who really cared about our kids would still be teaching and the ones who didn’t care would be out the door.

  • charles

    …Well we shall see how much better the teachers will do with our little ones. Our prisons are busting at the seams because the teachers hadn’t taught them to be good HONEST citizens….In Illinois the count is 49,000 inmates and most from Chicago… remember chicago is near the highest paid teachers….so what did 49,000 inmates from chicago learn ?? what did any of them learn ???

  • tim

    One day you greedy union workers are gonna be looking in your’e mailbox, and that retirement check isn’t gonna be there because there is NO MORE money. Teachers with a 50% graduation rate should all be fired. It’s obvious they are not doing thier job. 77,000 dollars a year for a sh!t teacher who only works 6 months a year. TOTALLY FUC#*ng ridiculous!!!!!!!!!
    I have worked with people in the HVACR field who had union members tell new guys to slow down so the job would last longer. This is common practice and anyone who tells you different is lying through thier teeth!!!!!

    • bhs3kgt

      Well said! Right On!

  • ego

    I am not against unions just public unions. If you are working for private lndustry you strike against that company. If they can’t comply they go out of business and you don;t have a job. Public unions should not have the same powder. Stand by while your house is burning , shut down a school, not police a mob etc etc. You are kicking the taxpayer in the teeth. Even FDR as liberal as he was said public unions were not good for the country.

  • niccko

    As usual, flashy is drinking old moter oil…it sounds like you went to school in the 50′s or you live in Cuba where some of the old vehicles could be worked on…..just to alarm you flashy, we live in the space age and the keyboard your using is not a typewriter but a computer!

  • david

    Close the door on companies in Chicago and new business locate in work free states. Choke off the money supply and you control the quality and costs.

  • peter

    I sure wish there was a way to get you fired or just off from here…To a lot of us your opinion doesn’t matter…it’s just a good thing that it’s not a crime, to openly disagree with you….if it weren’t for all the efforts of all our veterans, you wouldn’t have some of these freedoms..it’s people like you, should be required to serve in the Armed Forces and if there is war or some sort of conflict going at that time, you be required to be there at the front lines of it…Then perhaps people like you, would do more to stop a war from beginning, before it starts….but not you are to much of a coward, let someone else do the dirty work, get killed, wounded, lose arms, legs, or etc…then ypu want to take things away from these people, make them 2nd class or one of the poorest citizens in this country…but you don’t care all you want to do id run your mouth, get as much money in your pocket, doing any way you can, then look down your nose at the other people…i say your are a j******!

  • brazzos

    Wayne Allyn Root trying to be Ronald Reagan who fired the Air Traffic Controllers. He couldn’t tie Reagan’s shoelaces. Imitators are never original. Plagiarism is more his forte’.

  • Spikeygrrl

    Mr. Root: Thank you so much for making publicly the same comparison to Reagan and the air traffic controllers that I’ve been making privately for the past two weeks.

    Of course, it would be better by far to fire ALL government ["public"] school teachers by completely dismantling the federal Department of Education and then closing every single government school in the nation. This would create an enormous demand for teachers in the many and widely varied PRIVATE and COMMUNITY schools which would of necessity spring up. Former government school teachers who are truly worth their salt would be eagerly snapped up by these new enterprises, while the tenured dead weight which currently predominates on government school faculties would be forced to find REAL jobs more suited to their skills and abilities. Lesson One of their retraining: “Would you like fries with that shake?”

    “If the only motive [for establishing government schools] was to help people who could not afford education, advocates of government involvement would have simply proposed tuition subsidies.” — Milton Friedman

  • http://None Sparky says

    Hey smiley
    The unions don’t bully to get you but after that when they strike look out they trash your property and now they try to take over states with their corruption. They are bankrupting cities. Wisconsin has put a stop to that and that is going to have to be done all over AMERICA When the money is not there.because of the DEMOCRAT progressive thinking. The hammer has to come down.

  • NoteToSelf

    When you get in the U.S. Senate and are offered one of these pensions will you try to reform the pensions to Senators? If so I’ve got a long list of things for you to change.

  • NoteToSelf

    I guess the newly hired teachers should not be alone and we should cut the 20 year retirement pensions of policemen, firemen, county doctors and nurses, and a host of other city workers? I certainly don’t get one of those – I’m stupid – I should of worked for the city.

  • bhs3kgt

    Let’s not forget how the union movement started with the influence of communism and organized crime. Today it’s still the same. The union bosses are arrogant, threatening and want to unionize the entire planet. Unions have always been the darlings of the Communist party. When I see bosses like Hoffa, the longshoreman’s McEllrath, SEIU’s Andy Stern and AFLCIO’sTrumka they are snarling,and working up the membership to violence. How anyone could sympathize with these bullies is beyond me. Then there is the public employees unions that shamelessly use member’s dues to keep electing the party of graft and corruption – the Democrats. Unions elect the Dems and the Dems turn around and use our taxpayer dollars to repay the unions with obscene wage and benefit increases. Unions are a left-wing blight on America.

    • Liberty Lover

      Amen!

      • Jeff

        Maybe you should consider changing your screen name to Ebenezer Scrooge or Simon Legree. It’s interesting how pro-union worker the righties get when something sacred like the NFL is at stake. I used to be a rabid ’49er fan, even before they were any good, but as far as I’m concerned, those greedy owners can go broke before they get a dime from me.

        • Liberty Lover

          Wrong again, Jeff. I’d handle the over-compensated officials exactly the way Reagan handled the traffic controllers. Any official who doesn’t report for work next weekend will not have a job. Employment ads will be placed for replacement officials and the league will sort through the mountain of applications to choose the best and enroll them in a crash training program to get them up to speed. I’m disgusted with politicians weighing in on this issue (and that does include Paul Ryan), but I do understand that politics will never be played with the purity I’d like.

          • Jeff

            I assume you are aware the officials are not on strike; they were locked out. But if you’re anti-union and pro-billionaire, details don’t really matter. Liberty for who, exactly?

          • Liberty Lover

            Liberty for all, workers AND owners (regardless of their net worths). It’s so obvious, Jeff, that you really cannot tolerate liberty for those you envy.

          • Jeff

            It has nothing to do with envy. If I hit the lottery tomorrow, my politics would not change. You seem to have a visceral dislike for unions, calling for workers to be fired Reagan-style when they’re the victims of a lockout designed to line the pockets of the already wealthy. I find it hard to believe you were ever a follower of Martin Luther King unless you were working for the FBI at the time.

          • Liberty Lover

            I have a visceral dislike for collectivism because I have the intelligence to understand the evidence and the reason that it always breeds mediocrity, whether on a macroscopic (country) or microscopic (union) level. You obviously “feel” for blacks but lack the intellect to understand why the types of programs you favor have devastated the black community(assuming you are generally supportive of the ill-conceived social-engineering programs sponsored by Democrats over the years). .

          • Jeff

            I thought the topic was unions and you immediately jump to “Black” programs. There are more white people on welfare and food stamps than Blacks, but since you brought up the subject, the effects of racism didn’t end in 1865 nor did they end in 1965. In some ways, the Civil Rights Act made things worse for the Black Underclass. Prior to the Civil Rights Act, the Black Community tended to live together – professionals in the same neighborhoods as blue collar workers. They were all subject to the same discrimination. Ironically, the Civil Rights Act allowed the middle class to move out of the ghetto, leaving it blighted with a population of many damaged people.

            Now, why is there damage in the Black Community? Unless you think there is something about being Black that leads to increased levels of social pathology, the only conclusion is that the cause is social and has something to do with the weight of history. Therefore, the cure has to involve some collective action. As for the destructive effects of welfare, my understanding is that the most destructive aspect of the program was the requirement that the women with children receiving the money not be living with the father. I don’t know where this rule came from, but my suspicion is it stems from a basic distrust of anyone who is receiving government money.

            The basic difference between Democrats and Republicans is in who you trust and which side you favor. Republicans are very comfortable giving big business the leeway to do what it wants, trusting that good business people can regulate themselves even when there are temptations measured in the millions of dollars. On the other hand, they are extremely suspicious of anyone receiving an unemployment check, worker’s compensation, welfare, etc. Restrictions are placed on who can get the money, how they must live, etc. When government contracts are given to Halliburton for example, millions/billions of dollars are paid out with minimal oversight to be sure the work was done properly.

            I used to do some work for injured workers. The private insurers were particularly bad about delaying and delaying before rating someone and getting them a check. This was done purposely because the person would get so desperate for the money, they would accept a lower rating than they might have been entitled to. One time, an insurer delayed because a doctor said he’d have a “difficult time” going back to his old job. At the hearing, the adjuster said the doctor’s note didn’t say he couldn’t do the job. Naturally, he was laughed out of the hearing but the damage was done. Nobody thought this was a big deal because it’s “just business.”

            But let a worker “fake” or exaggerate an injury and lift something heavy in his backyard and it makes headlines in the Newspaper with the implication that they all do it. I think you understand what I’m saying.

          • Liberty Lover

            >>>”There are more white people on welfare and food stamps than Blacks”<<<A very popular lie of the left. You certainly ought to understand that percentages are more salient than absolute numbers in this context. Skipping to another part of your post, would you really have the nerve to tell Thomas Sowell that he needs collective action to overcome the handicaps of history?

            As for the rest of your post, I only wish you could exchange some of your encyclopedic knowledge of facts for a modicum of understanding. Evil exists in the world. It exists in the private sector as in the public sector. That's why we have courts. I'm no more a fan of the GOP's crony capitalism than I am of Obama's version. Corruption unresolved in the private sector will tend to put a company out of business. Corruption unresolved in the public sector merely leads to larger budget requests and burdens on taxpayers. There will never be a way to eradicate evil from a world in which men are involved; foolish attempts to do so through government carries a huge and unwarranted cost to the citizenry.

          • Jeff

            “I’m no more a fan of the GOP’s crony capitalism than I am of Obama’s version.”

            I beg to differ. The point of my post is we are willing to look the other way when someone from our own group is involved. I find it hard to get overly worked up about some little guy getting an unemployment check or food stamps he may not technically be qualified to receive while there are corporate bad actors taking millions from the treasury. I’m not saying we should permit fraud in any arena, but my emphasis would be on the big fish and not on the little guy.

            Most middle class white people have little trouble identifying with the insurance adjuster who violates the spirit, if not the letter, of the law by delaying the payment of a claim. He’s a cog in a corporate machine and it is his job to save his company some money. Looked at from the vantage point of the damaged recipient, it looks a little different. But too often the damaged recipient is not a middle class person who may not be as sympathetic to that same middle class observer. I know these are gross oversimplifications, but this is a blog and not a dissertation.

            As for Thomas Sowell, he’s clearly a very intelligent writer though I think he’s misguided. The same argument was sometimes made in the days before Civil Rights. “Look how successful (Nat King Cole/Sammy Davis/Wilt Chamberlain) is. We have no problem.” In hindsight, it’s easy to see how foolish that sounded. Extraordinary people will succeed despite every obstacle. By definition, most people are not extraordinary. I don’t know about Thomas Sowell’s background, but it is clear that for a kid born to a single mother in the inner city, life can be a lot more difficult than for a suburban kid whose parents are college graduates. It would be nice if public policy were made at least acknowledging that
            obvious truth.

          • Jeff

            Thought you’d be interested to see how Fox’s No. 1 show handles the issue of Republican voter suppression.

            http://video.msnbc.msn.com/the-last-word/49173506#49173506

    • Jeff

      Read some actual history, you moron. Unions hired thugs because management hired thugs to prevent workers from organizing. What about the coal miners? There were no mafia types involved in the Harlan County strikes, but there was plenty of violence from management. But that’s just business, right?

      You’d rather go back to the days of Dickens when workers knew their place and were appreciative if they got a piece of bread to eat after working 14 hours. You and Romney deserve each other.

  • doc 4977

    how would you like to live in pa, politicians gave themselves a 51% pension raise, the retired teachers and state workers received a 25% raise, i worked around teachers and know most of them were receiving $140 thousand dollars per year so the raise they received was twice what a person on social security receives. also get free family healthcare. they also receive social security, then the dump ass people wonder why we dont get property reliefe. they are stealing money from medicare to fund obama care this should never been left to happen they stole over $700 billion out of the system alwready.now they are going to cut back on the reinbersment that doctors receive,senior citizens are going to be left with no healthcare,at the same immigrants and welfare bums get every thing for free,

  • Jeff

    Do you people bother to look at the facts or is that too inconvenient? The strike was primarily about teacher evaluation, not about pay. The teachers union, supported by a majority of parents, was concerned about the over-emphasis on standardized tests. The teachers are not the bad guys although right-wingers will ALWAYS brand them as such.

    • doc 4977

      did you ever take the time to do a check on how education has taken a nose dive since teachers were allowed to get unionized? pay a teacher more get a better education, yea right just the opposite has happened, our quality of education has gone downhill compared to other countrys, our retired teachers in pa just received a %25 raise most teachers i know are makeing over $100 hundred thousand per year that raise shouldnt be left go through, too many people out of work in private sector and never ever received such a large raise,
      i worked as a supervisor at a nursing home and never received such a raise, we will never see property taxes go down when they give out such generous raises.they should privatize the education system and get rid of some of the lazy teachers they have now. and did you know they also collect social security? that raise they were given amounts to twice what a person on social security receives.

      • Liberty Lover

        Right on, doc. Collectivism breeds mediocrity always and everywhere. Unionization is the major factor in the decline of our education system.

        • Jeff

          The only way to reduce inequality in the classroom is to first reduce it in the community. My wife has taught in poor schools and now in a very wealthy private school. Kids are the same, but when they have no experience of success, no desk, no paper at home, parents who are recent immigrants without education, it is impossible for the kids to perform at anywhere near the same level as middle class or wealthy kids. Blaming the teachers is Republican Nonsense.

          • Liberty Lover

            There are many factors involved, most of them traceable to well-intended policies of unenlightened “progressives” who naively believe in a utopia characterized not by equality of opportunity but by equality of outcomes. Progressives have been so busy teaching the lower classes that they are victims that few are able to develop the character to escape the dependence fostered by Democrats in search of ignorant votes. Does anyone truly believe that Democrats want prosperity for the miserably dependent impoverished classes that provide their most reliable voting base? Slavery is alive and well and Democrat politicians are the new overlords.

          • Jeff

            You really believe you have superior character because you have made money? There are millions of people in this country who work hard every day, sometimes more than one job, who have trouble making ends meet. They’re not on welfare; they’re not dependent. I think it’s highly insulting for you to speak of them as you do.

            Now, there are sociological factors that come into play. I read a study some years ago that indicated that Black kids performed far better on exercises deemed games than if the same exercise were deemed a test. These kids were so brainwashed by cultural themes stressing their own mental inferiority that they started to believe them. Now, from whence did those themes come – Martin Luther King? Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton? No, they are the legacy of hundreds of years of slavery followed by 100 years post-slavery when they were still treated as so inferior they couldn’t really participate in society except at the lowest levels.

            We now have a generation of immigrants coming of age, many from Latin America, most poor with parents of little education. If you think those kids can even begin to compete with your grandchildren in the classroom when they start a couple of years behind, you’re kidding yourself. The progressive “do-gooders” may not always be right but they at least want to make a difference. In my experience, people who oppose measures to help the lower classes are very self satisfied and are only too happy to have an excuse to do nothing.

          • Liberty Lover

            >>>The progressive “do-gooders” may not always be right but they at least want to make a difference. In my experience, people who oppose measures to help the lower classes are very self satisfied and are only too happy to have an excuse to do nothing. <<<

            The road to hell is paved with the good intentions of "progressive do-gooders" who have no ability to anticipate unintended consequences. As to the character issue, I would never suggest that wealth conflates with character (though earned wealth and character sure have a strong connection), but perhaps the greatest evil perpetrated by progressives against the lower classes is to make it so challenging for the youth of those classes to develop the character that could enhance their prospects for a better life.

            The lower classes are certainly educable. Many of them have the equivalent of a master's degree in exploiting America's welfare maze. Mastering the welfare system is a hell of a lot more rewarding than mastering trigonometry, so who can blame them? One welfare recipient interviewed by Pelosi's daughter said he wasn't really interested in getting a job unless it was at the executive level.

            It is actually you who is the self-satisfied fool in thinking you know better than we who understand captialism as to which measures have proven best to help the lower classes. You never have addressed my challenge to explain why two generations of a "war on poverty" have only made things worse. You want to help the lower classes? Eliminate minimum wage. Encourage apprenticeships that will allow businesses to give youths unsuited for professional positions a more useful education than they will ever receive from their inner-city public schools.

            Despite your professed loss of IQ points by monitoring this site, you still have enough to escape the realm of "dispositionally uneducable" and become an educated man, Jeff. Take a day off from the time you waste on this site to read Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson."

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