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Who’s the Liar Now, Mr. Obama?

September 18, 2009 by  

Who’s the Liar Now, Mr. Obama?

It isn’t easy to upstage the President of the United States when he’s delivering a speech to a joint session of Congress. But Rep. Joe Wilson managed the feat 10 days ago, when he blurted out, “You lie!” during President Barack Obama’s pitch for his healthcare proposals.

Legislators from both sides of the aisle were quick to jump all over the Republican congressman from South Carolina for his rudeness. Katon Dawson, the former head of the Republican Party in South Carolina, opined, “If Joe’s mother or father were alive, they’d take him to the woodshed and whip him for bad manners.”

Before the night was out, Wilson had been pressured to call the White House to apologize. Not content that Rep. Wilson apologized directly to the White House, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her cronies demanded he also apologize on the House floor. When he refused, they voted 240-179 to "disapprove" his actions. Ah well, at least it distracted them from spending a few billion more of your tax dollars for a day or two.

By the end of the day last Thursday, Rob Miller, his opponent in last year’s election, reported that he had received some $400,000 in contributions from 11,000 donors to help him defeat Wilson next time around. Wilson promptly announced that he too had received a big chunk of moola from patriots who want him to stay in Washington. Looks like next year’s election in that district will be mighty interesting.

Lost in all of the hullabaloo were two things worth mentioning: First, Wilson’s outburst paled in comparison to the treatment President George W. Bush received on numerous occasions from his Democrat opponents. There were times during George W.’s State of the Union speech in 2005 when there were so many jeers, cat-calls, mutterings and murmurings it was difficult to hear what he was saying. Anyone remember the liberal media expressing its outrage then?

But my second point is far more important: For all of his impoliteness, Wilson was telling the truth. Obama wasn’t.

Wilson’s outburst was in response to the president’s claim that nothing in the Democrats’ proposals would lead to federal funding of healthcare for illegal immigrants. Wilson knows something most Americans don’t: Liberals in Congress have defeated every single attempt by Republicans to put such provisions into law. Of more than 20 such amendments that were introduced in the past year, not a single one has been allowed out of committee.

No wonder Wilson was so upset. He knows what’s really been going on behind those closed committee doors. He knows Obama was playing fast and loose with the truth. And so did everyone else in the House chamber that night.

I wasn’t surprised by all the blatant falsehoods in Obama’s speech. For me, the tone was set in the first five minutes, when the president told the assembled lawmakers, “I am not the first president to take up this cause. But I am determined to be the last.”

That may have been great rhetoric. The assembled Democrats obviously thought so, because they gave the president an enthusiastic standing ovation.

Yes, it might have sounded good. But it wasn’t the truth. And everyone listening to the president knew it.

Is there anyone anywhere who honestly believes that the government’s role in providing healthcare for the public will no longer be an issue when President Obama leaves office? That no one on either side of the aisle—Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative—will ever introduce new legislation to “improve” whatever system Congress agrees to during Obama’s tenure?

Give me a break. This debate will continue until long after your great-grandchildren have collected their last Social Security check. Obama knows that. So does every member of the House and Senate who sat through his speech that night. And to pretend otherwise is nothing short of political duplicity. (That’s a more polite way of saying, “He lies!”)

Another obvious fantasy in the president’s address was his claim, “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, either now or in the future—period.”

Let me see if I’ve got this right. Under ObamaCare, some 40 million Americans who currently do not have health insurance will suddenly get coverage … and it won’t cost taxpayers a dime? Does anyone believe this?

I was amused to hear the president say that one reason his plan would be more efficient is that the government-run program, unlike private insurance, wouldn’t have to make a profit. Nor would it have to pay all those expensive executive salaries.

Has anyone anywhere found one example of a government-run program that is more efficient than private enterprise? Anyone? Anyone?

It’s hard for me to believe that any adult American could be so gullible as to believe this. What I do believe is that a majority of Congress will pretend to believe it, knowing that a bunch of their constituents want it to be true. (Or, far more likely, don’t care if it is or not, so long as they get all those “free” benefits they’ve been promised.)

Another misleading remark in Obama’s address was his claim that “no federal funds will be used to fund abortions.” Did you notice that not a single pro-abortion legislator (who as a group are probably the most outspoken extremists in Congress) said anything in opposition to this part of Obama’s speech?

That’s because they know the fix is in. Despite repeated efforts by pro-life legislators, not a single proposal to put this into law has been approved in Washington. No matter what Obama says now, the pro-abortion crowd is confident that whatever legislation is finally approved, it will include a provision requiring that so-called “public option” health insurance covers abortions.

Finally, let me say a few words about the part of Obama’s speech I found the most offensive. That was his “my way or the highway” attitude. He accused talk radio hosts, cable news and conservative leaders of deliberately spreading falsehoods. He wants you to believe that everyone who opposes his plan to nationalize medical care is lying.

There was not a word of criticism for the attack dogs on the left, such as House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who called opponents of these plans “un-American.” Or Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who labeled those who disagree with him as “evil mongers.”

After denouncing virtually everyone who has disagreed with him, the president then said, “Now is when we must bring the best ideas of both parties together.” The amazing thing to me is that no one laughed out loud at the hypocrisy of such a statement.

As every conservative on Capitol Hill knows, there has been absolutely no effort to include them in this debate. Their ideas are not welcome—and neither are they.

To say that conservatives and libertarians have never offered any constructive suggestions about healthcare is a flat-out lie. Anyone who cares can check out proposals on “How to Insure Every American” by Republican Representatives John Shadegg and Pete Hoekstra. Or the very sensible ideas for health-care reform by John Mackey, the founder and CEO of Whole Foods. Or the detailed analyses and proposals from the Cato Institute, Reason magazine, the Heritage Foundation and a dozen others.

Republicans haven’t been included in negotiations on Capitol Hill for months. House Speaker Pelosi has shown nothing but disdain for those who disagree with her. Nor is it any different at the White House, where conservatives have been locked out of discussions on healthcare since early spring.

While he says he wants bipartisanship, Obama means he wants opponents to sit down, shut up and go along with his proposals. He seems determined to use the Democrat majority he enjoys in the House and the Senate to ram through the most drastic reorganization of healthcare this country has ever seen.

He doesn’t want to debate, he wants to dictate. We’re about to find out if a majority in Congress will let him.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    A well-known civil rights leader once said, ‘character counts.’ Character must matter. When it doesn’t matter, America suffers.
    America has paid a high price for enduring politicians and their self-serving schemes. What obama has done is not new. However, this is an extremely critical point in history for America. It needs to be said that truth is an ideal that must be fought for daily. If we believe truth will set us free, then we must understand and admit that lies corrupt and enslave us.
    Who among us could love lies and hate the truth?

    • http://www.iousathemovie.com/ FreedomSays

      We Americans are not as Dumb as this president thinks. Proof, okay.

      Day before speech approval -48%
      Day after speech approval-52% (some drank the KoolAid)
      Week after speech approval-42% and sinking

      Mr. President, keep trying to bully us, please do. Because our friends are gathering. . . and there is more of us. The “Change” is going to be “Changed” in 2010.

      God Bless the Wonderful United States of America!!
      http://www.iousathemovie.com
      (the best 30 minute investment you could make this weekend)

      • Ronna Sommers

        You are trying to do real damage to the country that you say you love so much.
        The south lost the uncivil war. We have moved on, you haven’t. I think the biggest
        problem is that our wonderful nation elected a black man. Man up, we have a lot of work to do.

        • Mike

          Oh, that’s just great. Throw the race card you idiot. A liar is a liar no matter what his/her ethnicity is. Are you so ignorant to believe that anyone who disagrees with an African American is “racist”. People like you are more racist for even suggesting that.

          • Crystal

            I don’t care what color the president is or the author of this poorly written article. personally i don’t know a lot about the details of politics right now and its mostly due to this sort of poorly written propaganda. A lot of accusations have been made against Obama, however, no evidence supporting the claims is listed. it is making the claims assuming that everyone knows the hidden facts and its all just common knowledge.

            Claiming that “everyone knows” something doesn’t make it a fact. There is a lot of claims in this article that the only supporting evidence states is “and everyone knows that”. Come on, give yourself some credibility and state some facts, with sources, so that we the uninformed can look up and verify.

            Vilifying people by calling them disparaging names such as “cronies” is simply school yard bullying. If you want to show me how bad Obama is, give me real solid evidence. Otherwise your hot air is no better than the claims of the president himself. Oh except for one thing, I can go to Obama’s website and look up actual government documents and see who actually voted on what and see how the bills are worded and decide for myself what is true and what isn’t.

            All this political mudslinging without evidence is a huge disservice to the American people.

          • John

            Mike,
            I couldn’t agree more. It’s not about race and I too have grown sick and tired of the (WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) race card being played. Early on I was going too vote for Obama, I was once a Democrat. It didn’t take long too figure it out however, that this is NOT a good person. I was a Democrat for close to 40 years, 3 months ago I became a Republican because the Democratic Party for me is contrary to many of the principles upon which this great country was founded. In fact I am ashamed of some Dems and especially the Liberal Left!!!

          • Smilee

            Crystal says:
            September 18, 2009 at 12:20 pm

            Thank you for pointing out the realities about this post, few do, and most vent and rant in an irrational manner

          • Geo

            Mike
            Let us make this clear, no one has criticized the tone of his skin. I want to see where you can tell who is tan, and who is brown on this blog? You have no idea who is who. My only conclusion is you may be the racist. Personally I voted for Allan Keyes… I may not agree with everything he said either, but does that classify me as racist if I disagree with the Communistic ways of Obama? Now Obama is going out of his way to tell State Senators and Governors when to run for office… This sounds like something I would hear about in Venezuela…

          • Abdul

            Like Crystal noted this article was full of unsubstantiated claims and assumptions that people believe him it was actually one of the biggest wastes of my time so far this year. Just because you say something is a fact does not make it true I wish now that you neo-cons have been shown that America does not want you any more, you would just shut up, and stop wasting bandwidth with your drivel.

          • http://www.personalliberty.com Wildcat from Dallastown, PA

            JeffH hit the target about the comments coming out of left field in only one statement. And Peaches followed up with a solid solution to the country’s overall governing situation. However, the main point of contention with both Crystal and Abdul is the fact that they too failed to give any facts and site any sources.

            I have read the preponderance of the only bill that was out there before the congressional recess, which was HR3200. While it may well have served the author’s purpose to give some facts and their associated references perhaps he decided not to make it look like a Master’s thesis or a Doctoral dissertation. Or, he may have thought highly of his target readership as being primarily adequately educated American citizens who, like he did, use the powers of observation (televised news accounts) and analysis to have seen many of the same behaviors (of Obama), hear the same words spoken (but not actually meant by Obama) and view or read other accounts of political smoke and mirrors going on concerning this so-called health care reform but did not put it together the way he did while relating similar events that occurred when President Bush was rendering his State of the Union address and democrats caused numerous audible interruptions.

            It is intuitively clear, even to the most casual observer, that President Obama has no understanding (and no concept) whatsoever relative to his leadership responsibilities. He has an absolute lack of experience relative to ever having any position of authority and responsibility. (Voting “present” during his minor period of service in Senate does not pass that common sense test.) Obama cares not for what he needs to fully understand as a leader much less as a civilian leader of our great nation.

            Crystal & Abdul, consider this. Long before he even ran for the highest office in the land he articulated a significantly skewed concept of such crucial American historical events that are the foundation of the greatest free nation in the world. Obama’s total lack of leadership experience coupled with his skewed view of America and personal arrogance (in this case) make for an eloquent speaker who since campaigning (which he has never made the required transition to governing so he continues to campaign today) utters (nice to hear) words that he does not mean (unless his true thoughts slip past his lips) and has no “Pro American agenda”. He has only one agenda (usually hidden) and that is a “Pro Obama agenda”. When you are willing to actually shed light on Obama’s past you quickly ascertain the false foundations he holds onto as he plans the absolute and catastrophic destruction of America-the first part of his hideous hidden agenda. One of the methods he plans to use includes bankrupting the country by creating a new (and unnecessary) “entitlement” that he and his ilk in the administration, the senate and the house will attempt to put a humanitarian label on it as well as saying (incorrectly) that it is the government’s responsibility to provide you, me and yes, the illegal aliens, with so-called “free” health care. Well, a big lesson for you two is that it is not free; it is paid for directly by the taxpayers through the government by way of higher taxes. And since doctors and other health care professionals will not be paid market rates to perform what they spent (in many cases a substantial amount of money to learn and get licensed in), there will be fewer of them to provide care to more people resulting in the cutting of those so-called free health care benefits by a rationing process described by brother of Rham Emmanuel, who is Obama’s chief of staff and included in HR3200. And, if you were to read deeper into HR3200 you will learn about the language giving the federal government access to your financial accounts! What does that have to do with health care reform? HR3200 also contains no language removing the health care industry from refusing service to illegal aliens who show up at our hospitals emergency rooms and no language requiring other (non emergency health service providers) to check their immigration or citizenship status before providing or refusing service. That is what Representative Wilson was absolutely correct when he impolitely blurted out, you lie!” HR3200 also contains language that states if your health insurance policy changes any of the terms of coverage or price, or you lose your insurance for any reason; you have to enroll in the government option or face stiff penalties. So much for you can keep your plan if you like it. And so much for your God given liberties and freedom as described in our country’s Declaration of Independence!

            I am both glad and proud to have studied and accomplished what I have without the unwarranted benefit of unnecessary “entitlements” that Obama must have had since he was the product of a mixed marriage and broken home in the 1960’s. Unlike Obama, I do not have a “Poison Ivy League” college degree where I was inculcated with the most liberal (actually more progressive and statist views) where he (Obama) obviously was conditioned to believe that virtually everything American is wrong, is bad; and even evil.

            By the way, Congressman Wilson still has his integrity as he was the one of those two who told the truth during Obama’s speech and since then his political war chest has grown ten plus times that of his democratic opponent’s has since then. That is just one more demonstrative fact the American citizenry has already had enough of Obama’s “hope & change” slogan and now want actual, unadulterated pro American policies by an unflinching experienced pro American leader who is there to selflessly serve the country by leading the country based upon the tried and true principles of our founding fathers to enhance our beacon of liberty to the world, not ruin it for all of us.

            A viable course of action to reform the best health care system in the world would be to immediately allow you to buy health insurance across states lines (generates more competition resulting in lower premium process for you and me)) and attack the unhealthy high cost of health insurance and health care by focusing on tort reform relative to allegations of wrong doing by health care providers. The loser pays all costs concept would certainly limit frivolous malpractice suits. Then, if you limited the pain and suffering compensation, it would lower the doctor’s medical malpractice insurance premiums (which he or she passes onto you) with every exam, procedure, or surgery you have as a part of doing business. That would actually lower the cost of the health care provided. It would also make sense to make health insurers use plain English in their policies and establish a mechanism to monitor and enforce coverage compliance issues for the consumers (that’s you and me). And that shouldn’t take 1,000, 1,200 or 1,990 pages to write that bill. How’s that grab you?

          • Earline Clark

            Mike, your comment to Sommer was dead on. Bringing in the race card shows racism in itself. The color of ones skin has no bearing on what is in that persons heart. We did elect an African American, thats great. What is not great is where he is taking our wonderful country. Americans, even those like Sommer have enjoyed freedom all their lives. Maybe they should visit a country for a bout 6 months that is under a dictators reign. I think they would think twice about bringing in the race card when some disagree with her opinions. We have moved on, now its time for the race card to be destroyed and think with the mind the Lord gave us.

          • Judy

            Crystal needs to Study-up or Shut-up

        • JeffH

          WOW! Those comments came out of left field. lol! I guess you put all of your beliefs in a nutshell! UNCIVIL WAR? Don’t know where that one came from.

          • apple eater

            This country, according to the Constitution, is a federation in which the states are a member by choice and can secede if they so desire. All the states were doing was asserting their rights according to the Constitution. With what is going on currently in Washington, I think more states need to seriously look at seceding and forming a “more perfect union” as our founders intended in the first place and let the bleeding liberal pay for all of their “entitlements”.

            The Civil War was in reality the war of Northern Aggression to force the south to surrender their rights. Slavery really had nothing to do with it. Slavery would have been gone within 2-3 years anyway as it was an institution that was morphing into an employer-employee relationship in most areas anyway and the more and more slave owners were releasing their slaves to be free men. The blacks actually had a harder time in the North as free men than their counterparts in the South.

            You really need to do some studying of your history before you go spouting off about an “Uncivil War”.

          • JeffH

            apple eater,can I then assume that the apples you eat are road apples cause you are spewing quite a bit of “krap”!

        • peaches

          That is what is wrong with the world today. people that do not know how to run this country. we need another Ronald Reagan . I am so tired of seeing this person ever time I look at Tv and news . he dont know nothing about anything. i don,t know why people defend him. they should put him out .and I don,t mean because he is BLACK I mean because he don,t know anything. all he cares is his self.I am ashamed of this USA for letting someone like that run this country. I hope all who voted for him see dirt one day. .

          • eyeswideopen

            peaches, if we had another Regan, he would probably make the 12 million illegals, legal, as he did for the 2.7 million that he granted amnesty to during his admin.

          • Young_Baggins

            Yes, let us go back to Reagan. Back to where to when big tax cuts were given to the rich and business was given the opportunity to start up shelter companies overseas to avoid taxes. His actions where then followed by Bush Sr and Clinton and next thing you know, there is no money to fund much of anything.

            Yes, lets bring back the great communicator. He can talk while the money walks right out of the government coffers.

          • American Patriot, CT

            Ronald Reagan was not perfect, nor were any of the other presidents weh have had. There were good points and bad in all but this one carries the distinction of leading the pack for the distinction of beng the worst. Indeed we need a Reagan. The inane comment about adding to the illegal list makes me laugh. How about the idiotic comments this man makes daily and even with a telepromter. Oh and by the way, Ms Obama is a winner also. Sitting on her father’s lap at age 21 really worries me. If it is true she is in trouble and if this was just another prevarication by the wife of the prevarictor in chief we are in trouble. Is there nothing these folks won’t do to keep us inveigled in their reign of terror?

          • http://None Fancy

            No Peaches, the problem with the world are uneducated, (judging from your grammar, this applies to you), and uninformed, (judging from your blind adoration of Roanld Reagan, this also applies to you) going to the poles. If a President’s success were to be judged by the state of the world and the economy during his term, Bill Clinton would win hands down.

          • David

            Now Fancy, you know Bill Clinton rode on the coat tails of RR. I believe you are one of those blind straight ticket sheeple.

          • cr747

            Yes, I would say Fancy needs to have her eyes, hearing, and brain checked, if she agrees with what we got for president now. Bush has more knowledge in his little toe than our president now does.

        • keith

          you mean the war of NORTHERN AGRESSION as it was ACTUALLY called by southerners,oops,i suppose they left THAT out of the history books,huh?

          • Young_Baggins

            no, that is in the history books, what missing is the out right facts of how southern politicians can always turn the facts around like the the war of southern succession. The first shots were fired by the south, in South Carolina, but it was call the war of northern aggression. Right……. You Lie…. This is about undocumented aliens. While the law forbids the use of funds and facilities for that class of folks, the law also requires hospitals to treat anyone how is injured or sick that shows up at their doors. They (hospital staff) can not turn them away. The payment for treating the poor and undocumented persons are paid by the federal dollars. Someone has to pay the bill and hospitals can not let the sick ad injured die at the front doors. Catch 22, Obama was not lying technically, it is a twist in the system and our morals that causes the lie.

            The only only lie is how the south like to turn things around and ignore the facts like Wilson did when he called Obama a lier.

          • keith

            hooboy,i could give you a lesson in real history here,but i’ll refrain from doing so,you need to read up on the ACTUAL causes of that conflict,your facts are sadly lacking.

        • Don

          I’m amused that the very same people who dismiss as racists all of those who oppose the policies of this Administration are themselves those who voted for him simply because he had a black parent. That racism thing works both ways.
          You might find it a more productive – although admittedly more difficult proposition – to study the policies that are being proposed and think through the consequences. Try thinking about past well-intentioned policies and programs, like of the Great Society (welfare based on numbers of children, reductions if there was a male in the household, etc) that contributed mightally to the destruction of the family in this country – and black families in particular.
          In short, stop walking around with nine fingers expoosed and your mind in neutral and get serious about what’s happening to the independence, freedom and integrity of this country at the hands of those who simply want credit for meaning well, regardless of the damage they do in the process.

        • Larry McKinley

          Ronna: Mr Obama is the most intelligent man ever to be elected into the White House, His Wife is no dummy as well.
          Mr Obama is a Professor of Law for those that do not know.
          I am concerned we have so many acting out against the President of the Country.
          Quite clear we have a sick Nation of People.
          I have heard noting from Obama I concider to be a lie, He is Genuwine 100 Per cent interested in turning this Country around from damages of previous years. Republican Screw Ups.

          • http://aol borderlinedevill

            anyone like a copy of michelle college theme paper before the her hubby had it pulled off the internet where she stated i hate whityes now was that a racist remark. naw im wrong lol speakin of pappers where is .h.b.o school papers lol

          • http://Yahoo Donald

            Tsk. tsk. Seems that someone has been brain washed and in lala land. Your statement “most intelligent” shows lack of intellect on the writer. Granted obama (lower case o intentional)is intelligent but, most intelligent, nah, more in the vein of a con man, which he has proven himself to be. He conned his way into the presidency by bold face lying. Unfortunately many believed his b.s. His I.Q. may be high but his P.Q.(people quotient) is very low. This pseudo-presidents egotism and arrogance is only exceeded by his asininity.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Who conducted the poll – don’t jerk me around Freedom.

      • CLARENCE SWINNEY

        70% consistently polled for many years:

        REFORM HEALTH CARE
        CUT THE COSTS

        Over 300 Million spent by Health Care Industry

        Less Than 50% want the change.

        American Intelligence?

        Invasion of Grenada. 70% said it was bad

        Reagan goes on TV–

        “At last we have defeated the Vietnam Syndrome and have Communism on the run”

        70% approve invasion of 88,000 with 10.000 BB guns.

        Yipes!

      • Dennis

        This has noting to do with the subject at hand…DIRECTLY…but very important regaurdless.

        Isn’t this just great… Illinos Capital of Corruption

        Mosque Foundation websitereports that Sheikh Kifah Mustapha recently completed a four day training session in Springfield
        Radical Fundraiser Becomes Illinois Police Chaplain
        By Editor Thursday, January 7, 2010
        Previously on the IPT blog we stressed the need for the Defense Department’s Islamic Chaplaincy program to adopt a stricter vetting process, citing historically radical imams who have served in the program.

        Now the same can be said for the chaplaincy program for the Illinois State Police. The Mosque Foundation websitereports that Sheikh Kifah Mustapha recently completed a four day training session in Springfield, Illinois to become the first certified Muslim chaplain for the Illinois State Police.

        Mustapha’s name appears on a list of unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) Hamas financing trail, which ended with sweeping convictions in November of 2008. On this list he is identified as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee.

        There is more to the story…
        and I am sure it doesn’t get better

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Be very careful of what you say. I just heard yesterday from Jimmy Carter, that if we are to disagree with anything Barack Obama says, its just because he is black. So we arent allowed to think for ourselves or have a contrary thought to him, or we are racist white imperialist bastards, according to one Jimmy Carter. Aint that sweet. So while this unqualified guy and his party continue to flush us down the drain, and sell our children and grandchildren down the road, we are supposed to sit here and be quiet because of the color of his skin, according to Jimmy Carter. Its amazing, now weve got white guys playing the race card, when it isnt applicable. Where did we slip down the slippery slope. Can anyone tell me? I just dont get it.

      • http://Yahoo Dee

        Beberoni – You are mistaken. Only this President has no right to have an opinion. His wife is shameful – she shows her bare arms in public. Obama is not an American citizen. He’s running the deficit through the roof. Republicans will not admit he inherited this mess from the Cheney Administration. He reads from a promp. Thank goodness we now have a President who can read and deliver his own messages instead of his speechwriters. The Bush administration ran the deficit through the roof and the Republican controlled Senate – House and Congress still voted themselves $2,000 – $3,000 and $4.000 dollar pay raises. Now for lies -
        The Bush Administration started a war based on a pack of lies. Take a count of all the lives his actions have cost America and Iraq men, women and innocent little children.
        Why did Bush not get ben-laden like he promised? He pulled out of Afghanistan taking the thugs with him into Iraq. Is breaking a promise the same as a lie?
        What I will never forget above all – my vote did not count in 2000 – Bush was put into the highest office of our country by the courts that be. Republican style of – True Democracy. Don’t do as I do but as I say.
        As Franklin D. Roosevelt said in 1939:
        A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.
        But these Republican’s are the NO men and women. Obama is part white also so grow up and show some respect to the Commander-in-Chief. The majority spoke in 2008. If you can’t be respectful just stay quiet and let us think you are stupid.

        • eyeswideopen

          OH MY GOd, now if you show your arms in public it is shameful??? What planet are you from… show me your kids or grandkids, do you beat them if they show their legs?? you are truly a radical and belong in some hidden away place, where the rest of the world can’t offend you.
          Did you know there are pictures of Bush’s daughters on vacation showing their arms?? Oh my Lord, let just have them beaten, how shameful can you get?

          • http://Yahoo Dee

            Eyes wide open – I was only repeating what the tea party stooges and the berthers were saying and all the other stupid non-sensable garbage and propaganda the FAUXX news watchers have been saying when they are not at the trough drinking their Kool-ade

        • American Citizen

          Dee, the ignorance shown in your post is beyond belief. Before the next election, get yourself educated or just plain don’t vote.

          • http://Yahoo Dee

            Thank you American Citizen.
            Maybe you should try getting an education so you will be able to decipher when someone is repeating garbage the right wing trolls are saying and when someone is posting an opinion.
            Never-the-less thank you for admitting the stupidity of all the above comments the Republican Reich-wing nuts spew as facts but is truly propaganda for the non-thinking sheeple to swear and live by.

        • BOE

          You are joking right? Read over what you just wrote. You don`t think Obama was born here ..but you support him? And Mrs. Obama showing her arms? Please we have much bigger problems than bare arms. You must be a muslim..women have no rights in your world. Please write something that makes sense so we can understand what you have to say.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            I will repeat very s l o w l y BOE, so you can catch up. Those comments were what the right wing T R O L L S and T E A P A R T Y rubble rousers and the R E P U B L I C A N propaganda teams are saying about Obama and his wife. Not me. I voted for Obama and I may do so again in 2012, depending on his performance now. But I promise I will never again vote for another Republican after they trashed my vote by hook and crook in 2000 and let the courts put an idiot into office. They are also showing each and every citizen they care not for our country and they want Obama to fail. They need to learn how a little loyalty can benefit all and not control of the masses. They can feel free to continue brainwashing the brainless with my blessings.

        • Daniel

          He does not read from a teleprompter? Like when he told the story of how he and Michelle met? Whenever the teleprompter goes offline our Acorn President is “Speachless”.

        • Dee

          Yeah, and FDR was one of the biggest Communist to ever live. If he wasn’t then he would have allowed us to take care of USSR & China while we were over there after WWII. It is because of him that we have given the masses the wonderful Social Security system in this country. Which you can starve to death on if you aren’t very, very careful! He & Congress that enacted this should have been ran out of D.C. on a rail! Don’t tell me how great these Govt. run institutions are – people on Medicare have to carry another private company to be able to afford other health-care procedures (not covered by Medicare) and to actually pay for prescription drugs. That’s what we want is govt. doing something else for us! I don’t think so!!!!!!

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            This dee says (I’m not the dee that posted the above comment.
            From now on I will add a letter to my signature so you won’t confuse me with the other dee.
            Hey other dee – if Social Security is so bad – why is it each and every administration takes the surplus and spend it on everything but what it was designed for?
            Why does every Republican that gets in office tries to do away with it?
            Take Bush in 2000 – he wanted to privatize it. Thank goodness he failed or it would have gone down the tube with wall street

          • JeffH

            Social Security was doing pretty well until the government decided there was “too much money” and decided they could handle “too much of the money” better! Big government is raping all of us and yet some of you are truly enjoying it.
            Forgot, a lot of you will blame GWB for the whole thing ’cause you can’t “recollect past 8 years.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            JeffH – no Geo Jr is not to blame for what happened from 2000 to 2008. He wasen’t around long enough to read anything or learn anything. While he vacationed at our expense his puppeteers (Cheney and the other crooked Repugs) done the dastardly deeds that Jr is credited for.

          • JeffH

            Dee D … like you read my whole comment!
            Understand your man

          • cr747

            To Dee and Dee D, Both of you must have been born with your eyes closed and they are still closed today. Obama was a black man when he was running for President, and he’s still black today, but now he’s beginning to show his true color. He is a racist, now that he got elected President. If you can’t see that, then open your eyes. George W. Bush has already forgotten more than Obama will ever know about being a President. He would do a good job playing Bart Simpson on the Simpson’s, but a president, he doesn’t know beans from bull about running our country. Also you can tell when he’s lying is when he open’s his mouth to speak. He doesn’t know how to tell the truth. I can’t believe the people of the United States voted for him, and I say he better enjoy these four years, because there won’t be another four for him. When the election is over in 2010, and all the cronies are voted out of Washington, then things will get back to normal. He’s the one that got us trillion’s of dollars in debt by bailing out all the automobile makers and all the big banks after he took office,along with all the other idiot’s that backed him. WAKE UP!!!!!!

          • LARRY

            DEE .. YOU NEED TO GO REVIEW YOUR HISTORY .. FDR DIED BEFORE WORLD WAR 2 WAS OVER .. IT DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU LIKED HIM OR NOT JUS GET YOUR STORY RIGHT ..

          • Ron F

            If you tell a lie long enough you will end up in the Democratic party. I left them 40 years ago because I wasn’t blind to see what they really stand for. Why does it takes people so long is it that their worldview is very Demonic? They think that is the way to go “Down”. Let me add; I also left the other party for they are the same and heading the same way to “HELL” as there counter part. I will vote for the morals and character of that person running. I don’t like any party and as soon as you get over party you can make a difference if you want. With about 45% of the worldview being Marist I doubt that we will see a big change. But look up Christ is on his way back and soon!!!!

        • marvin

          respect is not given it is something you earn i am a simple man but not simple minded 1st thing the american people did not elect obama wife 2nd thing we will never get over the race card tell we stop the add on like african american or hispanic american if you were born here you are most likely an american excluding children of illegal if you are here illegally your children are not citizens to be a citizen you must swear to obay the constitution as for peanut carter he has the right to say what he wants and i [we] have the right to not agree my famly never owned any slaves but lived here befor the white or blackman came do i think i am owed any thing hell no as for health care when you or anyone can show me were you can insure 48 million people and not cost the goverment[ we the people] one dime obama,s own words]then i will belive him or you i say freedom is not a handout but a helping hand ,just look at all the programs the goverment runs post office/medcare/medcaid /schip/va/ss,,all goverment run now all broke,, as for obama he had a webb site [fish,e.gov]for you that agree with him to rat on us that don,t

        • keith

          the majority of what exactly??the lazy,librals,(WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT),immagrants,welfere takers,radicals,tree huggers,crackheads,those seeking a free lunch.i guess we found out how many crackpots and freeloaders there are in this country and lets not forget all those dead people who voted and acorn nuts and so on and on and on and on…..the majority,hah,we can all see WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO THE COUNTRY NOW!
          got your expected free lunch yet?

        • Young_Baggins

          Thank-you!!!!!!!! Other then the statement about the arms you are fantastic and I hope there are more like you speaking up!

        • http://Yahoo Donald

          My, my. Is oo widdle feelings hurt because someone disagrees with the great messiah? I could care less about his “color”, his agenda scares the hell out of me though. This pseudo-president has not the slightest how to run a country. So far he has put this country so far in debt that your great, great, grandchildren will still be paying for said debt. I was a democrap until Lyndon Johnson became president. Unfortunately, it has come to the point where one has to vote for the lesser of two evils, which I did, and the most evil won.

      • Larry McKinley

        Beberoni does not get it, Quite clear he reads between the lines.
        He would have us in the Civil War again, Civil Rights are still being tested and We the People are not Recognized.

    • Joe Wisniewski

      I guess PBO has lied so many times to so many people that its hard to know what the truth is and whats not ,and what lie do I use today ? The old saying {everyone lies )this guy is turning it into an art form .

      • Larry McKinley

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    • billy

      “Who among us could love lies and hate the truth?”

      The Republlican party
      Birthers
      Deathers
      Tea Baggers
      “Tea Party” Organizers
      FOX news
      Rush Limbaugh
      Sarah Palin
      Dick Cheney
      George Bush
      Donald Rumsfeld
      Karl Rove
      Newt Gingrich

      • http://Yahoo Donald

        Why who else Billy. The one who made out this list and doesn’t realize that this is a two way street, including the following:

        Emperor Obama
        Queen Pelosi
        King Reid
        Barney Frank
        Schumer
        etc., etc., etc.
        and the list goes on and on. Too many to list by name.

        Unfortunately some people, like horses, wear blinders and can only see in one direction not admitting that there are problems on both sides.

  • eyeswideopen

    Character is important and since Joe Wilson’s outburst, it has come to light that he belongs to an extremist group, the Son’s of the Confererate Veterans, who was on Bush’s watch list for dangerous activities. He also stated that he was an immigration lawyer. The State of S.C. has searched their data bases and he was never registered as an immigration lawyer, the most known and expierenced immigration lawyer in S.C. states he had never crossed paths with Wilson during his 21 years of practicing. His best friend since 1968, stated he has only practiced real estate law. If he is an immigration lawyer nobody knows about it and no proof is available.
    In S.C. 20% of their people have no insurance. That state has one of the highest pregancy rates, along with the highest infant mortality rates. You would think he would be working for the people, instead of just holding the party line.
    When in 2003 he voted for the Medicare Advantage bill, he must not have noticed that it has provisions to pay the hospitals for care given to illegal immigrats. He must have thought that it was a good trade off by giving the Big Phrma companies 800 billion it wouldn’t really be noticed.

    • Jenny

      To Eyeswideopen, and Clay, Can’t you explain that Joe was wrong and that Obama did not lie? No. It is so obvious that the liberals know not to defend their president because they too know Joe’s words are accurate. They just attack anyone who tells the truth about this government take over. And eyes, what is so bad about a high pregnancy rate??? Holding party lines? That is all the democrats are doing. And Clay, our children feel disrespected? Tell that to those whose death will be paid for with our tax $. Setting a bad example would be exactly what the President did with the “errors” in the speech. I am thankful Joe is setting good example by standing up for the people. It is amazing to watch people voluntarily lining up to be victimized by those who want to “change” America. This destruction of America is happening with the aid of the all who are voting in these politicians who are ramming through policies that will bring us down to such a low condition that we will have to “submit”. The change will have come. UNLESS, our eyes are opened immediately.

      • http://msn.com Gregg

        Jenny—you have to lay off the Fox News Network…”what is so bad about a high pregnancy rate?” I guess nothing…, unless you may mean a high teen pregnancy rate. South Carolina does a fine job there….their education is certainly leading the way too, right behind Kentucky. funny how the right will make sure a child is born, then throw them to the wolves. Then of course, you will complain about the high cost of providing social services, education, and a sustainable wage producing job. Jenny, i guess we can’t all work at Wal-Mart now can we? From your comments, I can only realize that you are very happy with pre-existing conditions doubling as a cash cow for insurance companies. You must love the consistent double digit increases for health care insurance that is doled out, each and every year,financially crippling every municipality in the country. You must be ecstatic that wages are stagnant while good jobs are continually outsourced. Take a good look at all of those bs town halls….Look who was in the background….angry, older, white men and women. Check the demographics of the country…this group is a dying breed and so are some of the misguided values. I stood and listened while throngs of rednecks in State College, Lebanon and Kittaning Pa. yelled at Senator Specter—”shut the lying jew bastard up.”—Real classy. No trace of prejudice here.
        Somewhere in the bible that so many hard core conservatives thump, says things about taking care of those who need help. Thankfully, the health care reform packages all include mental health provisions. The whack jobs who continually tried to manipulate Congressional Representatives and Senators need their heads examined. “Joe” is an idiot, and you can have the phony immigration lawyer.

        • American Citizen

          Spoken like a true liberal Dem Sheep. “Anyone who is a Republican or Independent who calls Obama out on his lies gets their talking points from Fox News. ” Give us a break. We can think for ourselves and figure out what is good for us and what is not.
          By the way, from whence do you get your talking points?

          • John

            Sure let’s listen too the mainstream media. That’s a real good idea. Then perhaps we can understand where you people are coming from.

          • eyeswideopen

            American, yep and anyone who is a Republican and calls out their own party members gets called Liberal, and numerous other names, What is the difference? You need to understand that some of us really don’t want this party to be hypocritical. Joe, called the Pres. a liar over the immigration portion of the bill, meanwhile he voted for the bill that has provisions to pay hospitals for illegal immigrants care. Do you not get the hypocrisy here??

          • Crystal

            Well at least you are taking credit for your own stupidity then. It isn’t Fox’s fault.

          • eyeswideopen

            From, the internet sites, bbc, cnn, cspan, abc, msnbc, fox new, 2 newspapers,… more importantly where do you get yours from? We know that answer Faux news.

        • Del Street

          Greg, good to see that your facts are not any straighter than all the other liberals/statist/marxist in this country. The one fact that you all ignore is that your wonderful example of efficient health care known as Medicare is increasing in cost 35% faster than the private sector. The one factor in the cost and lack of portability in the current health insurance industry that no one talks about is Government mandates and regulation. Government does nothing well except skirt their responsibility to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. This administration and the current leaders in Congress have chosen to completely ignore the 10th amendment. Surprise me and convince me you know what that is! Maybe you are one of those “fools” who like to talk about the Constitution being a “living breathing document”. If you are I would like to have you join me in a high stakes poker game with “living breathing rules”. By the way, since it is my table I get to set the rules just like the majority in Congress is doing with the Constitution.

          • http://msn.com Gregg

            Sure—de-regulating the banking industry proved to be a great move didn’t it?? Medicare operates on 5% administrative costs, in comparison to –minimally 12% all the way up to 52% for private insurers. Let’s not even discuss the non-profit in name only health insurance providers…..Tell me how satisfied you are to be paying double digit increases each and every year for health care insurance costs, while insurance companies, routinely deny claims for any number of reasons. It all comes down to —you got yours and to hell with everybody else. By the way—10th amendment to the Constitution… The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. I’m all for it.

        • gaetano

          greg,`I am a 66 year old man,and yes I will be dying ,sooner or later, But you my stupid, disrespectful,(WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT),I hope you get run over by a buss.How dare you call old people a dying breed.You need to be taken out and waterboarded.And don`t thing us older folks coun`t handle it.You must have really had a set of cons for parents,or maybe you were left at a doorstep.You sure don`t have any morals.

          • David

            No worries gaetano, Greg is full of crap. There are plenty of us much younger guys out there that got your back. Greg must be a boomer….

          • http://msn.com Gregg

            My father was a WW II vet and one of the finest that you would ever meet and my mother just retired at the age of 83. Cons? (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) yourself. Read what I said—the demographics are changing. Whether you like it or not, the Latino population is growing in leaps and bounds and will be the majority group in the United States in a very few years. With that being said, I do hope that the hatred and bigotry that many of your generation harbors does die. It is so refreshing to see how you failed to refute just one of my statements. Waterboard me?–You will die trying pal. Your comments only substantiate my points. Ignorance has no boundaries. All you can say is “liar”—you sound like a pathetic 4th grader. Make a point! guess what—Mccain and Caribou Barbie lost the election…get over it. At the very least we have a President who can speak and enunciate properly and clearly. I feel sorry for you

          • Elaine

            Unforunately this seems to be the mentality we are up against they don’t care about babies, children, old people…or pretty much anything but their own selfish desires. I wonder how many of these mindless obots have ever given to their fellow human being without the gov telling/forcing them to? How much time do they spend helping their neighbors? Very sad we are at this crossroad in our history…they worry about the nonsense that the politicians and elites use to devide the people …but I tell you that this is their plan…as long as we are divided they will continue to gain control over every minute detail of our lives. Who will live-who will die-the CRC will take our rights to raise our own children- what we will eat-where our food comes from (check CODEX ALIMENTARIUS)…HR2749 gives the FDA power to sieze food and property MARSHAL LAW…one after the other bills going threw that the people are not being informed on…they are already going after the organic farmers…much like they have been desimating the agricultural lands/farmers for years now…if we can’t feed ourselves…or have power sources because of the laws/treaties being pushed threw under cover of night..they cripple the US. YEAH! isn’t that what the libs want? BUT WAIT who then will pay for their Health Care!!!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Gaetano, calling someone a retard is not what this site is about. Some people have family members who are handicapped and don’t appreciate you calling them that name.

          • http://google D J

            Most what I read sounds like a bunch of Jackasses braying. Whats going on here has been going on since the begining. Its all about power and when one person or one party is given to much they take advantage of the weak. O and by the way your an Idiot. I didn’t vote for obama not because of his color but because he’s like to many of these unknowns. He has no experience in running anything except his mouth. think that if you haven’t read the book Animal Farm by George Orwell you should and if you have read it then read it again. Its kind of funny, those who live off the government now don’t have a problem with who ever is power because they get there check no matter what. Its us poor sapps that have to work and support the masses that have a problem with this mess that is being made. I say if you don’t contribute to the system then you don’t recieve. Pretty simple. Anyone with any little bit of sense can tell you that you can’t pour $$$$$$$ on a problem and make it go away. History proves that. Also if you listen to the liberals you hear that they have been waiting 40 years for this perfect storm. Its here and I hope and pray that we as a people can wheather it. People have been bitching about wars since the begining of time. There is no good war but at times they nessesary, like it or not. For those of that have served its known all to well. Just my thoughts.

          • Cher

            Rock on Elaine and DJ!!
            Political blindness and laziness(politics too complicated to sort out) is what has landed us in
            this position. Read Animal Farm, Atlas Shrugged, Rules for Radicals, Libery and Tryany or even the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
            If you are a communist/socialist, say so. Be proud. Just don’t expect me to laydown so you can step on me on your way to Utopia! Ask youself if the stuff hits the fan, who is REALLY going down first? Poor urbanites with no reserves and no way to feed themselves or the rich elite who have options.
            Start developing your own options(healthy, viable options) and vote for those who want to maintain YOUR Freedom, not just manage the coming chaos.
            This is no simple task.

        • gaetano

          the way obama has been losing the job rate,I just know that befor his term is up,you`ll be the first to beg walmart for a job ,Obama is a lier. He is also a fraud,and a racist,and a radical,and con man,and people like you that can`t see it are just DUMB,DUMB,DUMB,AND SHOULD NOT BE EVEN TALKING,FOR WHAT YOU SAY IS A REAPEAT FROM SOMEONE ELSE. WHY DON`T YOU TRY THINKING FOR YOUSELF?????????

          • http://msn.com Gregg

            gaetano——where on earth did you ever learn to spell? This mess that we are in ALL stems back from your boys George and Dick. Although I can’t quite be sure who the(WORD REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT) is between them. Bush ran away from a sinking ship and President Obama is forced to clean up the mess. wal-Mart????–not on your last day. I believe that you should consider night school in your few remaining years. at least you can leave this world literate and leave us a lot better off for you leaving. You are a waste of air.

          • swampfox

            amen to that,right on!

        • Virginia gudermuth

          Gregg: Read the Bible. It says to leave the outer rows of your fields and let the poor harvest them. It doesn’t say give it to them. It say let them work for it so that not only have food, they have the self respect to know they worked for it. I’m from Philadelphia. I’ve known Arlen Specter since he was DA. He is a Jerk. He was a democrat then a republican and now a democrat again. He flip-flops for his benefit.

          It’s a shame you think that older white men and women are a dying breed along with their values. It is those values that made this country last for 200 years and it is the loss of those values that will see this country die. I’m afraid it will die in my lifetime. You Gregg are a part of the problem, not the solution. Watch “The Lost Battalion” There are some really great lines in it and some really great brave men. We’re not raising men like them any longer

          This obsolete generation has watched our children give up on marriage, accept single parenthood and raise children to achieve at all costs and forget character. You, Gregg are one of those. You scare me. I’m 62. I figure I have about 18 years left on this earth. Boy how I hate to see you screw up this country. I guess it’s all right though because you won’t remember what it used to be like.

          • eyeswideopen

            Virginia, yes, I’m sure God wanted you to charge them… Holy smokes lady, what type of Christian are you?? Keep on talking you are the reason people are leaving the Christian religion.

          • Cher

            Igonore Eyeswideshut…

            Virgina, you are a breath of fresh air. Thank you for posting. I am amused by the irresponsible denegrating the responsible. It is classic childish schoolyard behavior. Good thing your are a Christian, if you were Budhist, you would be scared to death of your future. No choice, no reward, no freedom, no liberty, no options and most importantly, NO opposing opinions.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thats funny how you lambast the right, and tell lies about them throwing away a child, when the left takes a fricking vacuum cleaner and sucks them out of the womans womb and throws them away. How do you lie to yourself and misrepresent the truth like that. You know, there is a great big lying jerk on the loose, and I know where he is hiding. He is in your bathroom right above the sink. Go and look in there and youll see him.

          • eyeswideopen

            Beberoni, here’s a fact that most of you won’t like. Barry Goldwaters daughter got an abortion. No she wasn’t raped, she was engaged but didn’t want to have a baby while she was in college, so she got an abortion…. Do you think that only Dem’s get abortions?? If you do, you really aren’t living in the real world at all.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Not at all “eyes”. I didnt say that, nor would I propose that one group of people are flawless, because you and I know it isnt that way. I would propose though, that by and in large, the democrats are for killing babies, they want it easier to kill babies, and now they are even using our US tax dollars, and funding abortions overseas. Sorry, its murder anyway you put it, by whomever does it, republican or democrat. Im just saying on the whole, the democrats are bankrupt when it comes to morals, and they have been for some time. Killing babies is good according to them. Butt bumping your buddy is good according to them. Giving special rights to illegal aliens, terrorists and other special interest groups is good according to them. Kicking God out of schools and government and life in general is good according to them. There is a way to a man that seems right, and it is the way of death. Proverbs 14:12

        • chuck b

          joe

          i applauded joe wilson when he called your leader on his lies and boy did he get under a lot of liberal’s skin, good for him. he supposedly belongs or did to some confederate organization, so what, obama belongs to a black nationalist church. some of your demo’s belonged to the kkk and i’ll bet you didn’t make a sound! obama doesn’t have a healthcare bill, yet he stands in front of the american people and denies whats in the bill. if the insurance industry needs reforming and a lot of us think so then they should reform that and at the same time take on tort reform. you won’t see that happen, madame pelosi and her comrades would never ever touch that one. they are interested in one thing that is government takeover and by the way, check out some of the countries around us that have natl. healthcare. fortunately, there seems to be more people that are opposing this bad legislation, now instead of calling joe sn idiot, call out “OBAMA YOU LIE”

          • Babydayliner

            Tort Reform will have a tiny effect on rising Health care costs in this country. Medical malpractice only accounts for 2% of U.S. Health spending. Thats a drop in the bucket for a country that spends $2.3 trillion annually on health care. If you were to eliminate medical malpractice liability, even forgetting the negative consequences that would have for safety, accountability, and responsiveness, maybe we’d be talking about 1.5 percent of health care costs. So we’re not talking about real money. It’s small relative to the out-of-control cost of health care. A study by Bloomberg in 2004 also found that the proportion of medical malpractice verdicts among the top jury awards in the U.S. declined over the last 20 years. “Of the top 25 awards so far this year, only one was a malpractice case.” Moreover, at least 30 states now cap damages in medical lawsuits. Tort reform is clearly a state law issue and so-called tort reform in the states has done nothing to reduce medical malpractice insurance rates. Most states have already enacted so-called tort reform and it has not reduced healthcare costs.

        • BOE

          Gregg..do you know why those white haired old folks are mad as hell? Because they have worked their whole lives,maybe 2 jobs,bought houses,raised the kids and educated them,saved every dime for retirement,paid taxes,served their country and any thing else that was required to be a good American. All without expecting welfare,food stamps.free housing,car and free health care. It seems younger folks and yes certain races do not want an education,do not want to work..just let the gov. take care of me. Sadly Obama`s plan is to ruin everyone financially,get everyone welfare dependant..and he will be our socialist leader..probably for life.

      • eyeswideopen

        Jenny, it was pretty obvious that the President stated he will not sign any bill that gives illegals healthcare. Since it has not been put in front of him to sign, he has no idea what the final bill has in it until then. Meanwhile Joe, lied.

        • chuck b

          EYESWIDEOPEN

          JOE MUST HAVE REALLY GOT TO YOU AND YOU KNOW JOE IS RIGHT. OBAMA LIES and lies. the immigration bill that you and your liberal friends are waiting for takes care of covering the illegals and you know what, obama knows this.

          • eyeswideopen

            Chuck you are full of crap and couldn’t find you face in the dark. Go ahead and make a liar, your hero, but don’t complain when we keep losing seats.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            Chuck b – If you think you are right to have faith in a name calling liar, I guess that explains how you think you are right to make excuses for and defend a cold blooded murdering puppet like Bush Jr.
            Take a count of how many lives has been lost by the same idiot that was not elected to the office, but put in by the courts and started a war based on lies.
            Yep – you are equally as guilty as the worst in your party by association. A charge your party put against Obama.

        • LR

          Of course not! Good point! Apparently there is the undetermined “yet” that has been so conveniently left out. “Currently” He only signed his name to the dotted line of mandates that legalize baby killing and those that allow gays like you to get married. He has not signed our lives away on Health Reform, yet, duh!!! That will be a cinch for Obama in light of all he advocates, breaches, stands for and the strings of his puppet dance are tethered to those like you – gays, blacks, latinos and cults, that are dying to crawl into bed with him and his politics. It is coming, so hang on sloopy hang on. Keep doing what you are doing and you will keep getting what you are getting. YEEE HAW

      • eyeswideopen

        JENNY,,, YES THAT IS A TEEN PREGANCY RATE. NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO HAPPEN TO YOUR TEENAGERS, IF POSSIBLE. Oh my gosh, the Christian rt must know about all those teens and that’s what they are trying to hide, by not giving them medical care…..back to the dark ages here we come.

        • American Citizen

          Eyes, apparently you know nothing about we Christians who are trying to help teenagers and single women who become pregnant. I worked for 9 years with a group of women who are still doing this, who gave them layettes, clothes for their older children if they were a single mother and had some, baby beds, car seats, pregnancy tests to be sure they were really pregnant, get them to a doctor who worked with us in helping them, formula, baby food, etc.,set up a budget, etc. And we are only a phone line. If they decided to give the baby up for adoption, we referred them to a place who took care of them during their pregnancy. There is a lot going on out there to help women that a lot of people know nothing about. Our line has been in existence since 1982. There really is not reason for a woman to get an abortion if her life is not in danger. There are so many couples wanting to adopt who cannot have children of their own. There are ads in the newspaper begging for a baby.

    • To tell the truth

      spoken like a true Liberal – It is rediculous to point out bad behavior to justify bad behavior and that is just what you are doing

    • JeffH

      eyeswideopen…It has come to light that Joe Wilson IS a member of SCV. You obviously have done no research to confirm that he IS still a member of any radical extremist group. There is absolutely NO proof that he is STILL associated with SCV or that he, as many did, resigned his membership in SCV as the extremists took control in 2002.
      But if he had resigned his membership prior the the 2002 takeover, the would stop the “exremist” claims
      As for his lie about being an Immigration attorney, he probably did lie about that. None of the immigration lawyers questioned recall his Immigration practice, and no records indicate that he ever practice Immigration law.

      Those in government that critisize Joe Wilson or pure and simple hipocrites, and Nancy Pelosi is at the very top of the list. She does not respect the American people and she doesn’t respect her government when she lied about her lack of knowledge of the CIA interogation tactics. I have sent several requests to Pelosi asking her to resign her chair and take the same responsibilities she expects from others for her lies and outbursts. No response yet, although she doesn’t look or sound well and appears to be on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
      I quote these from this article because it rings so true: There was not a word of criticism for the attack dogs on the left, such as House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi, who called opponents of these plans “un-American.” Or Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who labeled those who disagree with him as “evil mongers.”

      I guess Joe Wilson’s outburst at the president make the outbursts by Pelosi and Reid at digruntled citizen OK!

      And I also agree with this quote: “As every conservative on Capitol Hill knows, there has been absolutely no effort to include them in this debate. Their ideas are not welcome—and neither are they.”

      And another lie by Obama: ““I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, either now or in the future—period.”

      Everyone can continue to bash Bush and critisize those that bash Obama. The people in this country have been and are being used and those in Washington, and the media, are doing their utmost to divide the people. That is dangerous politics for America. The balance of approval for Obama is no more! Americans are tired of being lied to by government.

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeff, no darling, you still don’t get it, I wouldn’t care if he called Pres. Obama a liar on any radio program, tv network, or speech he was making, the point is he didn’t have enough control or respect for the House rules to not speak out during a national speech being made by the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. You all are just upset as he outted himself as a liar, as he voted for the Medicare bill in 2003, he then lied about being an immigration lawyer. I will let it slide, if he did resign from the radical group, however, being a hypocrite by voting for a bill that pays for illegal immigrats hospital care and lying about his speciality means he cannot be trusted and should be voted out. Or do you want liars and people who try to deceive in order to give credabilty to themselves??
        I really don’t want them in my party.

        • JeffH

          …And we have a government full of liars including the president.
          What Joe Wilson did was wrong, but it seems that the Dems and you just focus on “Joe the liar” without mentioning the other liars.

          What should have been done to punish Nancy Pelosi? Would you want her to become president if, lord forbid, something happened to the Pres and Vice pres. She is crazier than Joe Wilson. She lashed out at the American people. How about Harry Reid?

          You are just as fixated on bashing an already bashed Joe Wilson as the Democrats are. What is good for the goose is good for the gander!

          • JeffH

            eyeswideopen…I am patiently waiting for your rebuttle, or can you not explain why there is a double standard here. Please don’t give me the “rules” excuse, otherwise it is a double standard.

          • eyeswideopen

            Don’t you think there are enough of you bashing the Dem’s? My intention was to try and clean up this lying republican party. I wanted us to be viable again. But this site is a prime example that we act like children and can never, ever, never ever admit when we make a mistake or lie. It truly must be a miracle that no republican ever lies, and that our judgement on everything is always right on target. I don’t know how so many repubs were kicked out of office, how is that possible, why isn’t karl rove,jack abrahmoff, tom delay, newt gringich etc. where are they?? Why aren’t they in public office anymore? Must have been some conspiracy as we never ever do anything wrong. Lie about our resume, never, lie about death panels, never. lie about wmd’s never, WE ARE PERFECT AND ONLY GOD SMILES ON US.

          • JeffH

            Can you stop being the “Republican Policewoman” and tell me why Pelosi and Reid shouldn’t be censured?

          • Cher

            Eyes…you are no republican. You are mad that Joe didn’t resign in disgrace like most Republicans do when their “bs” is uncovered. The Demos have had some serious scandal and they don’t resign. There is a double standard. Go Joe! Sometimes the wrong thing is right. Just for good measure….
            I hereby give permission to any politician who voted for some bs in a past bill to decide to do the right thing this time. Honest, working class, taxpaying, future concerned, charitable AMERICANS will not hold that much needed change of heart against you.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      So because of this, its ok for Obama to lie? Ok, if you say so. Right.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Eyes wide open – You forgot to mention Mark Foley. The pedophile that FAUXX news showed as a Democrat from Florida. The party that is so high on the scale of Family values – right??????????
        Foley is now out of re-hab and I heard is going to have his own radio show. That’s all America needs. With Murdock and the Disney’s controlling the news waves we need one more propaganda spewer controlling another air – wave. At least maybe the Repugs will enjoy another avenue to get their story’s (lies) to live by.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dee, go on internet and just type in Republican sex scandals… Be ready as you aren’t going to be happy.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            Eyes – I have read and seen a lot of the pedophiles and in all fairness have to admit there are just as many in both parties. That’s why such high family values is a prop for the right wingers. They want all babies to survive so they can have more playmates. Has anyone learned anything about the scandal that took place during the Bush Sr. tenure? Larry the child supplier from Boys Town was still in prison the last I heard. Does anyone know anything about the SKULL and BONES cult the Bush’s along with John Kerry belong to? Get an education people and you will learn the truth about the shady game of Politics.

    • El Chichon’

      To eyes completely closed,
      Where do you find all of your information, the main stream media like the Communist News Network (CNN)or where? I can’t find any of these things anywhere to confirm anything that you have said for as long as I have been reading your ilk. I can not understand why you support the destruction of this great nation and your own freedom. Your mentality is absolutely horrifying, especially to think that there are more people like you out there that support these atrocities that this anti-Christ is committing. What is wrong with you? All of the anti-conservative things you claim I think are all falsehoods just like Osama’s healthcare speech. I think you are a communist and a hater of what America stands for.

      • JeffH

        eyes doesn’t support the destruction of this country. What she does support is the bashing of everyone that bashes Obama and the Democrats. Right, wrong or indifferant. She is a Republican through and through, but harbors a deep resentment of the outdated southern bunch known as the GOP, bordering on hatred, the Bush’s and Ronald Reagan and all the other Republicans that are so wrong.

        • eyeswideopen

          Jeff, thanks at least I know you get it. I am fed up with everyone lying. The radical part of my party is going to be the reason that our party becomes insignificant and then the Democrats will get stronger, which is very dangerous for one party to be in control for an extended time frame. A third party like the Libertarians won’t fly in the country as we all love our standard of living, which taxes make possible. So because my party is so narrow minded, can’t and won’t ever admit a mistake, we will lose more and more members until there is nothing left and it won’t take very long. But you people have made me angry and tired and I think I will just register as an Independent and then I too can deny any wrong doing.

          • JeffH

            The Democrats are as narrowminded in their politics as the Republicans…They don’t care about or understand the needs of the people! Nothing is free but politicians continue to spend like there is no bottom to the pot of gold. It isn’t just a Republican thing. It is a political thing. They make promises at election time and that is the end of it. You already know what I think about political parties, so I won’t go there again.

        • chuck b

          jeff

          your analysis of eyes is wrong, she has pms, she thinks by claiming shes a republican, some people will actually agree with her. her repeated “us republicans” will give her credence. if the head of the republican party reads her comments and claims they will probably sue her. you demos better beware of her, shes probably commenting on another post as “us democrats” very subversive.

          • JeffH

            There was some tongue in cheek in my comment. lol!

          • eyeswideopen

            Chuck, I already offered to show my voter registration card to American Citizen , as I trust her. But frankly I could give two sh ts what you think. You are narrow minded and will contribute to the demise of this party.

      • eyeswideopen

        El Chichon, actually, I just wait for one of you to make a stupid incorrect statement, leave this site, go to the internet and find the facts to prove you wrong.. very easy, very fast, very sad!!!!

        • El Chichon’

          eyes completely closed,
          I bet you believe everything you read on the internet. I bet you even believe everything that the mainstream media says also. Yes, you should register as an independent or better yet, a communist, and get out of the republican party. Your train of thought is lop sided to say the least. Please forgive me if I have offended you, but I call it the way I see it. I hope I am wrong about you. You can slam me if you want. I am a thick skinned person and I know what is right and I know what is wrong. Your hero in D.C. is a liar and an anti-christ.

    • Young_Baggins

      Only in America can you be a terrorist and a congressmen…..

      Wow what a country

    • keith

      carpet bagging libral!

  • Dean Carpenter

    It needed to be said, and he said it..

    • John

      Rude whatever the case maybe the fact still remains, He’s a liar!!!!

      • eyeswideopen

        Who cares if it was rude?? It was against the rules…..he doesn’t have enough class to be a Rep.

        • David

          Rules which only apply to repubs….again the double standard continues. Reid-Pelosi-Frank…constantly run their mouths….oh and she almost cried this week so we might get a glimer that she really is human. WOW! vomit

        • chuck b

          eyeswideshut

          if you have a card showing membership in the republican party, its forged, if the republicans have your mind set, obama is in for eight years. i had lost my respect for george bush because of his catering to the demos. however, i will always appreciate him for out foxing you left wingers in florida, that was the best political move of all, on a par with obama and acorn. even the media and all their recounting couldn’t change that one, he really stole it from you. “good move”. i really care what you say, where could i find all the bad information on “us republicans”. just think we could have had al (dummy dust)gore for president, we could all be skipping down the car less freeways singing “happy days are here again” and smoking pot.

          • eyeswideopen

            It is not hard Chuck, even you can do it. Get on internet, type in what you want to know, it will take you to multi sites, read through them and find the ones not promoted by the Dems or Repubs, and you will have your information. Did you understand how to do it?

          • American Citizen

            I don’t know how you people can say G.W. stole the election when even the newspaper reporters that went down and counted the ballots, Bush won. Every recount showed he won. The reason people think otherwise is that the media gave Florida to Gore before all the precincts were counted. The panhandle is in a different time zone than the rest of the state, and after their votes were in, to everyone’s surprise, Bush has won Florida. It was then Gore’s team started their shenanigans, trying to give votes to Gore that should not have been counted at all for either one. That also happened in Minnesota this past election.

          • eyeswideopen

            American, it was no surprise, Kathleen Harris , told Jeb Bush, if it get to Florida, I can guarantee, I can give him the win. Hey, I live in Fl. and we here all know what happened. By the way Ms. Harris, also to elected to the Senate. OH, surprise, surprise, nice gift for her.

  • Clay

    RUDE IS RUDE! DISRESPECTFUL IS DISRESPECTFUL…don’t defend it and set a BAD model for our children! If
    Joe can’t be an adult and be respectful of others then he should resign and go back to South Carolina. Let South Carolina pick an adult to represent them in Congress. What a shame…when his state is very much underinsured as well as not insured at all. He should welcome overhall of the insurance industry if he truly represented the people of his state. How sad.

    • http://none Dan Wright

      In my view, the most RUDE, DISRESPECTFULL

    • Sonny

      When you consider the name calling and lies Democrats have said about President Bush and concerned Americans at recent Tea Party’s, Town Hall Meetings, etc., I think the Republicans have been too reserved in their comments. Most every politician has been guilty of misleading statements but it’s past time to stand-up to all of the political lies misleading Americans.

      • JeffH

        Sonny, you are correct. A lot of these folks can only accuse the other side of lying. Amazing but true. At least I know what world I live in.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yeah but you have to understand. The Democrats are allowed to name call and point fingers and tell lies about everyone, and have their propaganda networks of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC report all this, but the Republicans are allowed to fire back and defend themselves, lest these same propaganda networks label them as attackers and liars. How did it come to this, that the national news was a branch of the democratic party, and didnt report the truth anymore? How and when did this happen, and why? And then they wonder why their numbers are steadily decreasing.

        • eyeswideopen

          Berb, don’t you get it? He broke the HOUSE RULES. It wasn’t Pres. Obama’s rules, it was the RULE OF THE HOUSE OF CONGRESS.

          • American Citizen

            And he apologized. That’s more than the Democrats do except when Obama apologizes to other countries for the good we’ve done for them.

          • Smilee

            AC, He absolutely refused to apologize to the House or the American people and his attitude brings into question how sincere his apology to the president actually was or was it more a exercise in damage control. Lot of people here have said the president lied but have given no proof of that. In his speech he stated it would be against the law and he made no mention of the house bills and if you read them it says it would be against the law. The phony argument later was that the enforcement of this law had no methodology of verification. Why not let law enforcement enforce it like all other laws. This calling him a liar is a lie and a red herring, as how can you have a method for enforcing a law if you have no law which was the FRR (Far Right Radicals)first claim to his being a liar but they soon realized that was not going to fly so they changed it to enforcement of the law that they first said never existed. Unbelivable

          • Smilee

            OOPS: The house bills said it was against the law and sIaid the opposite in my post above, my mistake, soory

          • keith

            oh i guess then it’s allright for your idol to crap all over the constitution and ram socialism down every americans throat then?
            a liar is a liar and he called him out!he will get my vote in 2010.we need more like him!hurrah for the palmetto state!

          • http://thehill.com Carolyn

            a bunch of the dems. did the same thing to Bush, and they didn’t have to apolizise for it. All of the people in big goverment can’t be trusted the are only in it for the money. They don’t care about the people.

      • http://Yahoo Dee

        Sonny – Please tell me one lie that was told about Bush.
        Since his records were stashed in his Daddy’s archives the voters had very little information to evaluate him on. But we didn’t need his past records to be published since our votes were challenged and thrown in the round file and the courts put him in office.
        But lets give the devil his due. All that came down the pike was not lil Gerogies fault. While he was away on his vacations – Cheney really raped out country like he did Enron while he was their top CEO.

        • http://firefox Bobby

          Dee, Dick Cheney was CEO of Enron?? I have been blaming Ken Lay all this time. Shows you what an uninformed left-winger I am.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            Bobby do a little research. You just may be surprised to learn just who and how many people in Washington got their share of money taken from the investors at Enron, who lost everything. Who do you think preceded Kenneth Lay, and who owned the most stock (and bailed out before the crash AKA as inside trading)? Do you have any idea who was the mentor for Kenneth Lay – Scooter Libby – and George Porgie? How was Cheney nominated to be Jr’s Vice?

      • Crystal

        I am not republican or democrat. both sides disgust me. both sides accuse, point fingers, and call names. Very few citizens or representatives are quick to just state facts and present evidence. They all just say, “(he or they) are a liar”. People have claimed politicians to be racists for a long time. Bush was called one too. Chances are racism is present to some degree in every human being. No one is perfect. No one can keep all promises. Until a candidate is in office they are not privy to every detail that takes place in the Oval Office. They can’t possibly know everything needed to be known in order to make claims and promises while on the campaign trail. In my opinion, candidates need to stop making promises and start only stating intentions.

        As far as stating the misgivings and half truths of Wilson is concerned, it’s a valid argument. If this were court a person’s character contributes to the validity of their remarks. A witness can be completely discredited if they are proven to have a dishonest character. No I am not giving a defense for Obama because I do not know if he is lying or not. I have not seen any evidence either way presented by either side.

        Until facts and evidence are laid on the table both sides are full of crap and wasting taxpayer money and time. And anyone that contributes to the unvalidated, and unproven mudslinging is a guilty party to parroting propaganda based on biased ill informed prejudices.

        The old people mentioned by Gregg ARE dying and so are their values. “Value” is a general term here that can be switched for “beliefs” or “opinions”. Using the word “values” does not make those beliefs or opinions right or honorable. I am not saying that the old of our society are bad. But those same honorable people from wars gone by are human and therefore imperfect. Yes we must appreciate them and thank them for establishing our country. But this country has been evolving since day one, improving on the ways of our grandfathers. We are just in yet another step in our evolution. Although our elders were innovators in their time. It is time for them to realize that even the ideas they hold, that were new and open minded in their time, are now outdated and inappropriate (ideas that are often embedded in ignorance towards people who are different- it is a trait common in nearly all animal species on the planet, yes humans are part of the animal kingdom).

        • David

          Let’s see, basic fundamental building blocks (aka ole values) or the foundation that our country was founded on….I’m a builder and I can tell ya when the foundation goes everything else topples. That’s what the old guys are trying to tell you. You are a product of your environment growing up….so maybe some of these people are just empty inside so they don’t care.

        • American Citizen

          Oh, so our values are outdated and inappropriate, are they? Look at what they’re being replaced with. The old immorality is becoming the new morality.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        PLEASE – Tell us any lie you know of that was told about Bush Jr.
        We knew very little about his past accomplishments or failures because his record were sealed and stashed away in his daddy’s archives.
        WHAT LIES?????????????????????????????????????????

        • Elaine

          In the meanwhile we can’t see any of mr os records as he is defending law suit after law suit with taxpayer $s…if he wants to hide them and spend money on lawyers let him use his own money! We’re broke why is he spending like a drunken sailor? You might want to do some reasearch as he pushes the agenda faster than any previous administration in history…CRC, Codex Alimentarius, HR2749,etc…etc…etc… HELLO??????

    • Truthtalker

      Claybot, I’ll bet you weren’t singing the same tune when the commie-crats did the same thing to Bush. Huh, Claybot?

      • Mike

        Amen

      • Melissa

        Amen…..they can throw it..they just can’t (won’t) catch it. There is the old adage ..if you talk the talk then you have to walk the walk….Obama isn’t even crawling yet…but he sure is talking ..blah blah blah……

    • RAY

      I AGREE IT WAS OUT OF LINE WITH THE DIGNITY OF HIS OFFICE-SO HOW DO YOU HANDLE THE LIES SAID BY OUR BOY PRESIDENT WHO WILL SAY ANY THING TO KEEP HIS HANDLERS CONTENT-NOTHING HAS STOPED HIM SO FAR-HE IS LIKE A LOOSE CANNON AND WE WILL PAY FOR IT-OUR NATION WILL PAY-GOD BLESS THE U. S. A==RAY

      • JeffH

        BOY PRESIDENT? Sounds racist to me. Ya think?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Attaboy – no race issue intended, but attaboy, way to play the race card. Jimmy Carter Jr. When all else fails, play the race card. But hey, everyone knows OJ is a guilty murderer, and that old race card got him freed. Sort of. His life is a living hell now, but hey, he had to screw up again to get locked up. Yes sir, the old race card is alive and well, and only certain groups are allowed to play it. Wow, its so easy to play the victim. So, so easy.

          • eyeswideopen

            Berb, someone calls the Pres a BOY and you just try to brush it under the table?? When will you admit when someone is being a racist? Never I imagine.

      • Smilee

        Those of us that are old enough remember very well that boy = nXXXXr and when the term was used frequently, that is what it meant and bigots and racists used it a lot, although one can’t prove it I sense there is a lot more bigotry here than we know and accounts for some of the harshness heaped on the president today and it is overwhelming on this site.

    • Chris

      That to say you don’t want your chilren to know right from wrong. Ok let them follow him and see if they become anything but Stupid , they will follow and never be anything but a good little commie, And hate the country theat let them live , but then again maybe you will kill them so they will never be anything. So You wont have to worry about them know if the President lies. Which by the way everytime him or nancy open there mouths it s A LIE !

      • http://msn.com Gregg

        Chris, I’ll bet you would have loved to seen Michael Vick come to your children’s school and teach them right from wrong. But when the President tries to tell kids that they won’t all be first round draft picks, or they won’t win the lottery and that they should stay in school, not join gangs, stay away from drugs….well that is just way too radical thinking. Come to think of it, you are really in line for some remedial spelling & sentence structure. You aren’t from South Carolina are you??–Maybe Joe will help you out. One can almost hear the dueling banjos as we speak….Don’t forget…John McCain WAS born in Panama. Now be a good psycho and turn on Glenn Beck.

        • Mike

          You know I think you are right; we should all teach our children to surround themselves with the same type of people as our President.

          It really is incredible to me that a majority of the left can’t seem to grasp the concept that “saying it is not the same thing as doing it”

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            How anyone of you can call Obama stupid really amazes me after our last eight years of seeing stupidity in it’s truest form.
            Poor lil Jr. He was thrust into a role he had no knowledge of how he should perform. But after all he just had to appear on the scene while taking the blame for every dastardly deed that Cheney and the rest of the Republican party created.
            Yes, I would rather have my children in the company of an educated person than a complete village idiot that sat in a classroom, in college, to avoid having to fight to defend our country blowing bubbles with his bubble gum.
            I do give Jr an ounce of respect tho – He did learn a little bit during his 8 yr. tenure. He made Cheney angry when he refused to pardon Cheney’s good buddy Scotter Libby. See he did learn a trick or two.
            I am not judging him but I will never make an excuse for all the murders and butchering he is blamed for under Cheney’s watch. I think my God will not forget either on judgement day.

        • David

          What’s wrong Greg…has Beck blown a few holes in your liberal battleship? I think so.

          • JeffH

            Six months ago the hate and fear was just “limbaugh and Hannity”. Seem Beck has rustled some feathers with his “truths and lies”.
            Beck just might get a Golden Globe award for his initiative to expose and report somewhat honestly compared to The NY Times, MSNBC and even CNN. Like the ACORN scandals. I guess he was lying about ACORN.
            Maybe Congress can decide based on legislations being proposed to cut ACORN off. Anazing. lol!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The left greatly fear and resent Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, because these 3 expose the left for the lepers that they are, and report the truth about the lefts rotten doings, something that gets hidden by ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC, because those networks are all owned and operated by the democrats, and they dont tell on themselves. Instead of the truth, they are propaganda machines. So the left hates Rush, Glenn and Sean, because hey, the truth hurts. Thats why the dems want to shut down talk radio, because they dont want the truth known. Bunch of lepers.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Would this be the same gangs Obama bought his weed and cocaine from when he was in high school?

          • http://Yahoo Dee

            Beberoni – No one fears Limpball – he’s a hoot. With that big cigar hanging out of his mouth he looks like a movie star – Lassie having a bowel movement. Sorry Lassie and all dogs that know the difference between loyalty and propaganda.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dee, I loved the cocaine jump he had during that speech he made. He kept wiping his nose and sniffing just like the coke heads do,, it was really funny.

        • Elaine

          I posted this to someone else but feel it needs reapting to you as you don’t have a clue about whats really going on here! ****Unforunately this seems to be the mentality we are up against they don’t care about babies, children, old people…or pretty much anything but their own selfish desires. I wonder how many of these mindless obots have ever given to their fellow human being without the gov telling/forcing them to? How much time do they spend helping their neighbors? Very sad we are at this crossroad in our history…they worry about the nonsense that the politicians and elites use to devide the people …but I tell you that this is their plan…as long as we are divided they will continue to gain control over every minute detail of our lives. Who will live-who will die-the CRC will take our rights to raise our own children- what we will eat-where our food comes from (check CODEX ALIMENTARIUS)…HR2749 gives the FDA power to sieze food and property MARSHAL LAW…one after the other bills going threw that the people are not being informed on…they are already going after the organic farmers…much like they have been desimating the agricultural lands/farmers for years now…if we can’t feed ourselves…or have power sources because of the laws/treaties being pushed threw under cover of night..they cripple the US. YEAH! isn’t that what the libs want? BUT WAIT who then will pay for their Health Care!!!!!!

        • John

          That’s a tough one let’s see, Michael Vic or Obama at my child’s school. I don’t know jury’s out on that one.

        • American Citizen

          John McCain was born to American citizens in what was then American territory. Children born in these situations are considered natural born citizens. Get yourself educated.
          Panama was handed back to the Panamanians several years ago.

    • DaveH

      Rude, yes. Name-calling should be kept out of any legitimate debate. Tell that to the Liberals.
      Here is a video to show Obama’s lack of decorum in front of the Senate. For those who don’t know, his statement is mostly directed at Sarah Palin. Of course, the Health Care Bill doesn’t call them ‘Death Panels’, but guess what happens when government panels decide who should get scarce health-care resources (read the bill). What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l9-eT9WzPY

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        But Dave, he is a democrat. And I dont care what anybody says, the democrats are allowed to do and say anything they want, and are given a free pass by all the national press, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC. However, a Republican has to watch what he says and does, lest the democrats misquote him, turn around everything he says and does, and makes him spend millions of dollars defending themselves against lies and false accusations. Just look at the what their out and out lying and malicious attacks cost Sarah Palin. They out and out tried to lie and connive to destroy her and her family, the rotten bastards yes they did, and she was forced to spend millions to defend herself against all these false accusations. Any of you lefty liars out there notice that nothing ever came of these false charges they laid on her? Well, except for her having to spend millions to defend herself. Yeah, thats what your guys do, and if you back that kind of behavior, so sad must be your life. These guys on the left are lepers Dave, and thats all I can say.

        • David

          That’s changing now….again the “main stream” now called fringe media has some major holes blown in their battleships. It’s called ratings deterioration.

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave H, are you blind now? don’t you read any of these comments? You just had to get the dig in about the liberals didn’t you, inferring that they are the only ones who name call? You are something else.

    • Mike

      All of you lefties out there that believe Obama care is an overhaul of the insurance industry need to go back to school. In addition to relentlessly bashing big business; who do you think employs Americans and fuels the economy???

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The democratic party wants to, the way they keep expanding government, and creating more and more social programs, to take us working peoples money and give it to the crack heads that sit on the porch drinking 40′s all day. Thats what I see. The more people they get dependent on them, the more votes they get, because these idiots that vote for them dont want out, and they dont want to make anything of themselves. Theyve been told all their lives that they will never have anything, and the left convinces them of that by giving them a handout and promoting racial bullcrap with the Jesse Jackson’s, Al Sharptons, and Jimmy Carters of the world. If they ever, just for once, would get educated and study up on this stuff, and stop being fed propaganda by our national news stations, and reported the truth like Fox News delivers, maybe they would stop voting these left wing liberal pacifist appeasing pants wetting little girlie men democrats into office who keep them down year after year after year, while pointing the finger and blaming it on the other guy, when they are doing it. Education is the key.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        We who think for ourselves knows Obama’s plan is not a cure all because all the Right Wing NO’S will fight tooth and nail to keep it from happening. Yes, Obama may not get everything he wants in the first draft, but after the first draft, its his to add to and to delete.
        It’s only taken 40 years in the making with the Republicans shelving it and defeating the cause every step of the way. At the same time they get 100% medical coverage at our expense but we are not good enough to share their bounty with.
        Thank goodness we have someone now who is intelligent enough and brave enough to take all the thugs on and try to move forward.
        40 years is too long of a wait.
        Go Obama.

        • American Citizen

          Where in the Constitution does it give the Federal Government power over our health care? You are responsible for your own care and no one else. Years ago health care was not expensive and doctors made house calls. With my first baby, I was in the hospital 5 days and the bill was $120 which we had to pay ourselves. The doctor was $50. We’ve come a long way in 52 years. We have procedures, tests and drugs that were not available then to help us get well and also keep us seniors going when years ago we would have died.. I am grateful for our health care system. The Federal Government is looking to screw it up royally.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            American Citizen – Right again but you are only touching the surface of the problem. Deregulation started the trouble – it gave big business, pharmacies, banks,savings and loans the right path to screw every citizen in our country and make the wealthy wealthier at the expense of everyone. People wanted to believe in our so called Democratic system that had worked so well for so many years until the greed reared his ugly head and decided if the majority can be fed a steady stream of propaganda and led to slaughter – then a particular party may as well take all control from the citizens and rule the way they want to.
            Another reason why the OWO will not fly. Too many greedy folks who will want to be the head honchos. Do you understand?

          • Babydayliner

            To set the record straigt, Health Care Reform is reform on the Insurance companies not doctors or hospitals. We have one of the best medical care in the world. It’s the high cost of that care that is contributing to the increase of our G.D.P People are going bankrupt for getting sick because they don’t have health insurance or their illness isn’t covered by their insurance. Just because you are older doesn’t make you smarter American Citizen. Get your facts straight.

    • Pat R

      Respectful??? In my opinion–both fit into that category. Joe apologized for what he did. Have you yourself ever been in a situation where when something was said that didn’t set well with you; there was
      an instantaneous outburst from you. Sh_t happens!!!!
      Obama may be President; but he is not GOD! He has shown nothing but
      disrespect for the American people and will continue to do so. His
      Criminal, Fascist, Immoral cronies whom he selected (or the Muslims
      selected) that tell him what to say, do and etc. don’t know the meaning
      of the word “RESPECT” Get Obama, Peloshi, Reed and the whole conglomerate of atheiest out of there. Our White House and U.S. Capitol
      is no place for these evil-doers. “Keep lots of Powder Dry” It’s coming!

    • American Citizen

      The children have had bad examples of bad behavior for years from the entertainment and sports figures. It’s up to their parents to set the good examples.

      I do believe Joe Wilson didn’t really mean to disrespect the president, it was a spontaneous outburst due to listening over and over to the lies told by the Democrats, not only the president but also by Congress. I can remember one time when I was young and for the first time saw an actor with no shirt on. I hollered out, “WOW!” and the whole theater laughed. It was just one of those moments that surprise you and you react in a way you usually wouldn’t.

    • Dickie

      Yes,You are sooooo right,Being a BALD FACE LIER,AND STEELING People’s,money.Only to help them die latter,And murreder,BABIES now to save money Is A GREAT WAY TO RAISE [YOUR]HEATHEN RAT,Or is a snake,Without a backbone,When is your little whore,Going to prostitute for Obamb’s ACORN,I bet It is hard to teach a child,To be a coward,& not stand up for what is right,I even bet you have a picture of ted turner,In your bath room,& bedroom,With his hands folded,And long hair.You would not know this,But when a MAN has heard enough,BALD FACE LIES,Time after Time HE{A MAN},Can only take so much,So I guess,you don’t mind being called a NAZI,Ant-American,LOSER,But being a blind lieing parasite,Really don’t bother you.Just keep watching CNN,CBS,NBC,ABC,& MSNBC,You weak minded little nothing,Rase your little worm to grow up to be a real big worm like the DEMONCRAPS,And watch them turn on you one day,You will be so proud.LIERS IS A GREAT WAT TO RAISE HEATHENS.

      • http://msn.com Gregg

        The banjos are just getting louder and louder.

        • eyeswideopen

          omg, lmao,, lol, lol thx

    • http://paragonservices.org Gloria Ross

      Stick to the issue – NOBAMA is a LIAR; the members of congress are pussies, and Pelosi suffers from severe dementia. Stop the personal attacks. A LIE by any other name is a LIE

      • http://msn.com Gregg

        Let’s see here—-members of Congress are pussies, Pelosi suffers from Dementia—(I hope you or your family never go through that nightmare)–and you want everyone else to stop the personal attacks. Run, don’t walk to your county mental health offices. Really, for the good of everyone else…seek the mental health regimen that you so badly need. I only hope that your health insurance is adequate.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I dont know about her having dimentia, but I do know she has a big, big problem telling the truth. I thought Bill Clinton was the biggest liar I had ever heard until this one came along. She makes him look like the Pope.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            To add to my previous post, that “her” I refered to, was as everyone on the right would know, is Nancy Pelosi.

          • eyeswideopen

            Berb, we all know that you hate any and all people who aren’t in your party, church or section of town… you don’t have to tell us which “her’ you are talking about, we know you…..

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          Gregg – You forgot to mention that 90% of the members of the HOUSE, CONGRESS and SENATE are pussies, free loading wanna get rich fast, pedophiles who does not care one iota, who has to do without or gets crushed in the melee as long as their own pockets are bulging from the same one they truly represent and it ain’t the little people.

          • American Citizen

            Vote them out.

    • Virginia gudermuth

      Clay: You’re right. Rude is Rude. We should send all of the rude congresspeople home. Start with the President, Nancy, Harry and all of those who were rude George H.W. and George W. Kick out all of those people who accuse Americans of being anti-American because they disagree with them. Censure all of those who accuse white Americans of being racist without proof. Let’s get back to civility and courtesy. Notice I didn’t say respect. Respect has to be earned. Few in government have earned respect. Max Baucus comes close even though he’s a democrat

      • David

        May be but his new bill is still junk.

        • eyeswideopen

          It is worse than junk, it is an attempt to suck up to us Republicans and I don’t like it.

          • David

            Nice one eyes…you’ve still got it! The public option is only hidden in there now.

          • eyeswideopen

            David, hate to tell you , but max didn’t put a public option in his bill. So don’t start making stupid statements about his public option, there isn’t one in it, I promise.

          • David

            Eyes, stupid is as stupid does..coop, triggers, etc. We are still being led down that path. You really are a liberal in republic clothing!

          • eyeswideopen

            David, no I’m not you just can’t stand it when you are proven wrong…. get over it dude, humans are not perfect, why can’t you men ever admit when you have misspoken? Must be a male thing.

          • David

            Ouch baby! Did you watch any of obama’s talk shows Sunday morning…like George Steph….I thought obama did poorly and said nothing as George asked pointed questions. Oops no prompter.

      • JeffH

        Max Baucus comes close even though he’s a democrat. Now that is laughable! Did you notice the roaring support he had from his peers?

        • Smilee

          Wait for the end result, the fourth round has little bearing on the end result and there is going to some reform in the end and I’m sure it will be more than you want, the majority still wants reform and no one wants to face election next year without some reform. It will happen this time and I think all the idiots on this site know that and that is why they have turned the volume up to try and shout it down, look at the lies of last Saturday’s DC tea party, fire dept. est. 60,000-70,000 people with and absolute maximum of 75,000 Beck told us about 1.5 million as which only proves he is the liar I have always known him to be. Obama’s inauguration attendance made by the same fire departments est. was 1.8 million and if you look at the aerial photos of both you will see how puny the tea party really was, albeit bigger that many of us expected still in the population as a whole not very significant.

          • JeffH

            Now, after I repatedly pointed out that the DC FD count was probably the best, you change your mind from your 30,000 max statements. That is a switch. There were even some that insisted the PD estimates were 20-30 thou. The DC PD does not even give out crowd counts.

          • Smilee

            Jeff the 30,000 was a guess, before I knew what the FD estimated it at at you can see I credited it to them not me. The aerial photos I seen is what prompted my first guess when i contrasted it with the inauguration photos, I now hear Beck claims it was 2.5 million and I and my estimate was one hell of a lot closer to reality that his, but mine was an honest mistake his I’m sure was deliberate and I believe he knew full well he was lying either that or he is a lot dumber that I previously thought.

          • marvin

            you say fire dept,est 60 or 70,000 what dif does it make they were american citizen filling their contitutional right i watch,d it and i say 200,000 + so i am lieing to, i saw a well mannered bunch of american,s expressing their rights at their own expence and did not cost you a dime you have the right to your own belive,s ,i do not want a handout and i donot want or need you or anyone to tell me when to eat sleep or where to go and what to say or when to say it as for obama lieing on health care for illegals it is called AMNESTY you may not want to see that, and in 2005 ever dem in the house boo,ed or made some kind of disrespectful cat calls to bush when he was speaking to the house of rep so joe wilson was wrong and they were right

    • eyeswideopen

      Clay, thank you, at least I know there is at least one parent out there who is teaching his children right from wrong and what respect means… thank you, thank you.

  • Jim

    > “Another obvious fantasy in the president’s address was his claim, ‘I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits, either now or in the future—period.’”

    No, this is NOT a fantasy. He is not going to sign a plan that adds “one dime” to our deficits. He is fully determined to sign a plan that adds something in excess of sixteen TRILLION dimes to our deficits. He’s a lawyer. Lawyers skirt the truth with carefully scripted language; the Soros employee who wrote the script that scrolled on the teleprompter parsed this sentence very carefully.

    “Ladies and Gentlemen of Congress: The Teleprompter of the United States”.

    • American Citizen

      You stole my thunder. I was going to say that, no, he is not going to add a single dime to the deficit, he is going to add gazillions of dimes to it. As I said before, the whole bill is written in lawyerese. You need a lawyer with you as you read it in order to understand it. Can you say, Bureaucrat mazes to have to go through?

    • eyeswideopen

      Too bad Pres. Bush couldn’t even read his teleprompter, he would have come off much better with the people, instead of shooting from the hip, oops I mean his gut… you know the thing he made his decisions from,,, his gut.

      • JeffH

        Did you happen to catch Obama awarding the Medal of Honor posthumosely
        to the family of the fallen soldier today?
        He wasn’t focused and stumbled through his speech several times. Almost appeard artificial in his sincerity.

        • http://firefox Bobby

          JeffH, You have to forgive Big “0″ for his performance today, he didn’t have President Teleprompter with him.

          • JeffH

            I thought something was strange in his delivery today. Maybe the “job” is starting to get to him.

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          Jeff please forgive Obama for his hesitation when he’s speaking his own mind and not reading from a prompt. He must weigh each and every word very carefully because there are so many un-educated people who are willing to take any and all words out of context and re-write it to sound the way they want it to sound.
          He doesn’t forget that he has not even got the right to have a personnel opinion about anything either and he can not dress in a casual outfit because his employers (Right-wing nuts) will point it all out.
          Desperate people grasp at straws huh???????

          • JeffH

            I can tell you believe what you say, desperate person!

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            No Jeff not desperate at all. I am amazed at how anyone can claim to be a civilized human being and still refuse to see truths and make excused for evil doers and tell falsehoods or distort anything to be loyal to a party line instead of being a truly honest person. If you believe the killing of even one human being is ok then , sorry, I have to believe you are just as corrupt as the murderers who caused the killing in the first place.

          • JeffH

            What was all that babble about? Can’t take the heat then get out of the fire!

          • American Citizen

            That’s the whole of it, Dee. When he doesn’t have that teleprompter, the real Obama comes out. Of course he’s entitled to his personal opinion. That tells us who he really is. But when he has to weigh his words, you know he’s not telling the truth, not what he really thinks.

  • wired2learn

    Funny it is OK to applaude, stand and applaude, and generally interupt the President. If we run the tape bakc and review we will see that in the past when President Bush spoke it was OK to hiss and boo- now it is a one way street-

    The Liberals and most of the Press will only permit participation or comment if it is favorable. Its their way or the highway apparently – the current powers that be, love bipartisan participation so long as everyone goes along with the program. Ignor that crowd in the street waving signs – call them crazy, discredit whenever possible- “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
    Mahatma Gandhi

    • http://Yahoo Dee

      Does anyone recall how Bush Jr felt insulted when a gentleman in his crowd at one of his speeches did not stand when he entered the room? The fact that the gentleman in question was paralyzed and in a wheelchair did not faze Jr. Did Jr apologize for his rudeness?
      Or the time Jr berated a young man for wearing sunglasses while he was fabricating to his select audience, accusing him of being on drugs. Again the young man had a medical condition and could not tolerate strong lights. Did Jr apologize or was he so wrapped up in himself he thought it was okay to put people down? So lets discuss rudeness and call a spade a spade.

      • eyeswideopen

        Their God did not make mistakes, bite your lips..

      • http://firefox Bobby

        Last time I called a spade a spade, they called me a racist.

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          Bobby – You prove my point – Uneducated people will take anything they choose – distort it to prove any claim they are trying to make. These same people are the ones that are the sheeple in our country. Let everyone else think for them so they can say anything their little heart desires
          God save America because these same people get to vote when the polls are not rigged..

          • eyeswideopen

            hands clapping!

          • American Citizen

            I guess Democrats and liberals are the only ones entitled to a personal opinion. Personal opinions are based on research, beliefs, and experiences. When someone is telling a lie, they should be called on it. But you’re right on that, there is a proper time and place to do that.
            What I don’t understand is that Mr. Wilson did apologize and that seems not to be enough, they want a pound of flesh. What ever happened to forgiveness?

  • David

    Eyes, you are still harping on the right. Just open your eyes a little wider. obama lies every time he opens his mouth and does not care about all of these poor people and illegals. Both sides have screwed us and now your is taking this opportunity to grab what they can while they can before 2010 elections. At least acorn won’t be as involved.

    • eyeswideopen

      I was all for shutting down Acorn. Pres. Bush is the one who increased their funding to one million a year, I didn’t like it then and wrote letters, but nobody cared and us Republicans gave them a total of 13 million from 2001 to 2008. Now we have to find another group to take down.

  • pat

    What did Hillary call it “A suspension of disbelief”? (Which was not an original statement but a phrase penned by Samuel Taylor Coleridge)
    It seems that most of the democratic party is suffering from the malady.

    • s c

      Pat, the Democrats have long been the ‘willing suspension of disbelief’ party. This is a twisted game they play. Gore tried to pull a similar stunt when one of his friends told him the Democrat word of the week was ‘gravitas.’ All of the media whores dutifully picked up on it. That same day, every talking head on ABC, CBS and NBC was harping about the lack of Republican ‘gravitas.’ I wonder if anyone ever told Gore what it means. It’s something he has NEVER had. Democrats have had very little of it since perhaps HST (believe it or not, some Dems don’t know who HST is).
      What matters is that comrade obama prefers word games to the truth. Wilson summed it up for most of the country. Like it or not, the burden of proof is on comrade obama. Let him lead, or get the #^*^ out of Dodge!

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        How do we spell POTATO ? With an E, of course.

        • American Citizen

          Because the Democrats made so much about that misspelling of one word, they still make fun of him. Look at the misspellings on here, but we still get the message. To make fun of someone like that is a kind of bullying.

  • pat

    What did Hillary call it “A suspension of disbelief”? (Which was not an original statement but a phrase penned by Samuel Taylor Coleridge)
    It seems that most of the democratic party is suffering from the malady.Suspension of disbelief or “willing suspension of disbelief” is a formula devised by the poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge to justify the use of fantastic or non-realistic elements in literature. Coleridge suggested that if a writer could infuse a “human interest and a semblance of truth” into a fantastic tale, the reader would suspend judgment concerning the implausibility of the narrative.

    The phrase “suspension of disbelief” came to be used more loosely in the later 20th century, often used to imply that the onus was on the reader, rather than the writer, to achieve it. It might be used to refer to the willingness of the audience to overlook the limitations of a medium, so that these do not interfere with the acceptance of those premises. According to the theory, suspension of disbelief is a quid pro quo: the audience tacitly agrees to provisionally suspend their judgment in exchange for the promise of entertainment. These fictional premises may also lend to the engagement of the mind and perhaps proposition of thoughts, ideas, art and theories.
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    • American Citizen

      This is one reason comedy today is so unfunny, whether it’s in the daily newspaper comic section or on TV. So much of what they consider comedy cannot really be true or is uncouth. It totally ruins the idea that you can laugh at that stuff.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        America Citizen- You are right on the mark.
        Mark Twain said it best tho -
        Suppose you were an idiot, And suppose you were a member of Congress…… But then I repeat myself.- Mark Twain
        You could exchange the word idiot with clown or court jester and get the same results.

  • http://Yahoo Dwayne Davis

    Thank you so much for bringing to the American public the astounding, mind boggling news and such honest details of what is really happening. So many people do not have a real grip on the reality of what is really happening. GOD BLESS YOU FOLKS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO GETTING THE FACT’S OUT IN THE BEST MANNER YOU CAN. PLEASE DO NOT STOP THIS AWESOME GOOD WORK AND PROVIDING THE TRUE FACTS.

    GOD BLESS
    WM. DWAYNE DAVIS

  • Mark

    At least he didn’t throw a shoe!

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      In the shoe throwers country that was a compliment – that’s why he was punished – LOL

  • Mike M.

    LIAR ????? Is it a lye to say we are already paying for illegal immigrant health care by those of us who are paying for health insurance ? Is it a lie that part of our SS at this time pays for illegal immigrant health care. It’s a fact! Obama is the first President that is for the people and NOT CORPORATE AMERICA as the past previous administration. In fact I have not heard that term since the Bush Whacker left office.
    Mike

    • Sara Sperin

      Some people just don’t “get It”.

      • John

        That’s what the mainstream media will do too you.

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          John – don’t forget drinking of the Kool-ade at the trough.

    • DaveH
      • Smilee

        FACTS???? Davie its to bad you can not tell the difference between facts and propaganda, until you do you will have to remain in the dark

    • American Citizen

      What’s wrong with corporations? What poor person gave you a job? The government itself is a corporation.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        American Corporations bear the burden of paying the majority of the taxes that keep this country afloat. If the Democrats when in office, would leave the tax structure alone and quit raising taxes on business in this country every stinking time they come into power, we wouldnt have the problems with losing jobs today. The economy was rolling along good, jobs being created by the thousands, until the last year and half of Bush’s tenure, and the real threat of a democrat tax monster coming into power, led the American business owner to stop producing and expanding, to cut payroll, to build up the cash need to pay the incoming tax monsters. Plus, as the democrats have indicated, in 2010 they are going to rescind the tax cuts which are going to cost business’s even more. Quit taxing them, leave them have their money, and they will hire more and more people, as they did when Bush put the tax cuts in. But no, here come you tax loving lefties, and look what happens? Its going to get worse, because of the tax cuts soon going away, and the knowledge that the tax monsters are in power. It wont get better until 2010 when we vote the dems out, and render the Obamination neutral, then vote his worthless un-experience butt out, and then, and only then, will things start shaping up. Of course, weve got to dig out of I dont know how big a hole he will have dug by then, but knowing that this leech has spent more in 8 months than the previous admin did in 8 years, it just might be a pretty darn big hole by then. Please America, please get educated by the next election, and look into what these pariahs do before you vote for them, just because they spent millions of dollars to appear on your brainsuckers in your homes crying change, change, change. Find out who they are and what they are about before you blindly pull that lever for them again.

        • http://none Dan

          Finally, someone that really gets it. What a great statement. Thanks Berberoni

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        American Citizen – It’s also the Big Corporations that stuff the pockets for the Governments backing so the blue collar worker can keep making the profits for big businesses and can’t keep much of the pay they receive so they have to stay on the job to pay all the reps salaries and pay taxes. We all have been slaves to big businesses long enough.
        Our forefathers who established a government for the people, by the people even worked for a living and converged when an important matter needed to be resolved.
        They were smart and we’ve come a long way and dummed down somewhere along the way from those days.

        • American Citizen

          Corporations contribute to the parties in order to not be taxed to death. It doesn’t seem to work though. You say nothing about the big bucks unions and other groups give for the same reasons.

    • eyeswideopen

      Yep, and you boy Joe Wilson voted for that very thing. Hypocrite that he is.

      • JeffH

        easy on the “boy” stuff. It is a two way street. lol

        • eyeswideopen

          Jeff, only you would get that, it went right over their heads. lol

          • El Chichon’

            To eyes completely closed,
            No it didn’t, its just that we are not that childish and obtuse. Osamabama is still a liar and Joe Wilson said what needed to be said, and needs to be said every time Osamabama opens his anti-Christ mouth.

          • eyeswideopen

            Yes EL, Joe said what he needed to say.. too bad it was a lie, he is not an immigration lawyer.

    • Elaine

      WOW! You’ve got that right hes for reperations, redistribution of wealth, starving the population with so called compassion for the earth lets see…hmmmm..yeah that sounds like hes for the people to DIE or just maybe become his slaves that would teach us wouldn’t it?

  • Earl

    Let’s make it clear – we do have the 1st Amendment right to speak out against the leftwing agenda of BHO, Pelosi, et al!! Likewise, if Pelosi can call us Nazis, we have the right to call her a ***** (or a female dog). BHO, Pelosi, and many other democraps ARE liars!! Joe Wilson was right!!!! There’s no reason to take any further disciplinary action against him!!

    • JeffH

      Kinda reminds me of ” whats good for the goose is good for the gander”. I guess it depends on which side you take.

  • DaveH

    Thank you Chip Wood for a very well written statement.

    • JeffH

      Agree

  • http://none Dan

    The most rude and disrespectfull thing was for the President of our great United States to get up in front of our congress and the American people and tell a lie like he did and disrespect us enough to think that we are dumb enough to believe it.

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      And Dan – everyone forgets that any time Jr’s lips were moving – he wasen’t really lying – he was only ad-libbing what his puppet masters were telling him to say and he even done a lousy job at that.

      • Elaine

        What does the D stand for? DUH…get off the past administrations its over…we can’t move forward because of mindless dribble like this…we are in real trouble people…the only thing this administration is doing is finishing the job of the last one..and the reason their getting away with it is because we’re focused on the splat on the windsheild instead of the road! GROW UP& get a clue! Time is running out…Nepolitano just put two muslims in homeland security…they want ot allow Sharia Law here…UN treaties (CRC)that will take our children from us are being pushed through…mandatory vaccine laws are being passed in states all over this country ..OK..MA…etc… and these vaccines aren’t even tested ..for a so called pandemic they’ve exagerated… FDA controls on food that will literally cause the US not to be able to feed ourselves What is wrong with this picture????? WAKE UP…instead of dividing the people we would should be uniting to stop these HORRIFIC changes….

  • Anissa Scott

    Well so the President has been declared a liar. Wilson was telling the truth. And also it is confirmed that the democrats also treated the former president just as bad. Guess what?? He to was a liar to. Which has been proven as well. But none of this excuses bad behavior and rudeness. The democrats were rude to the former president and the senator from this past speech from the current president was rude as well. Can anyone agree to this? If a senator disagrees with the president I’m quite sure they have a better opportunity to tell him then that. They work with him so why can’t they just simply tell him to his face.The only reason for this kind of outburst is to let the american people know they disagree. I personally do not care who agrees with what. I know I have other things going on in my life that are more important then silly displays of rudeness on tv. Speaking as a black woman I’m used to having people treat me like crap. So this type of behavior does not phase me. Just like it did not phase the president. Get on with your life.Or better yet..get a life. Anyone who does not agree with me…so what. You have your opinions and so do I.

    • DaveH

      Anissa,
      The significant thing here is that Obama was going to “bring this country together”. What a joke.
      No, Obama isn’t the cause of all our problems but he sure is contributing. We are going to continue disagreeing with each other vehemently until people wake up to the fact that Big Government isn’t the solution to peace. Big Government can not solve all our problems. The citizens need to get off their zombie butts and start learning to care for themselves. If people won’t make the effort to care for themselves, are they really so terribly deluded that they think a government stranger is going to make that effort to care for them?

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        He was trying to bring this country together in a bi-partisen manner.
        But that was impossible because the NO – NO Repugs absolutely were not going to allow him to do that. They also are destroying our country and they care not.
        Of course they say race was no factor in the mix. They just hated it when a Black educated man was elected and set a president for the first time in America’s history

        • JeffH

          OHHHHHHHHHHHHH…now that is a new one for the books. I now understand YOUR hate!

        • Elaine

          DUH DUH>>>>>this race issue was created by the same people who want this country to fall! and mr o has perpetuated the race nonsense….don’t you get it divide and conquer read Sun Tzu they know what their doing….his intention is not to bring people together it is to rule! Social justice cannot and never will be attained by stealing from one to give to another…it goes agaisnt the LAWS of the universe…the only way it could ever be possible would be for each of us to GIVE freely to one another…I’ll say it again WAKE UP!!!!!!!

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, he can’t bring this country together with people like what is on this site. Hell, if you people could see him brush his teeth, you would find something wrong. You are just as guilty as the rest of these people, except you use subtle remarks to make your point, although sometimes you just come right out and call anyone who disagrees a LIBERAL! It really isn’t a bad word. But it will rile up the troops. Excellent work.

    • JeffH

      Anissa Scott…well stated. The censure of Joe Wilson is purely political, nothing more or less. Removal of the opposition is important to any cause. As usual, America and the American people are the ones that will suffer, no matter who “wins or loses”. The bureaucracy won’t change until we, the people, force that change.

      VOTE wisely in 2010!

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeff, no it isn’t he disobeyed the House Rules, what don’t you understand about that??

        • JeffH

          Believe what you may. That move was purely political. Obama could have squashed the whole thing, but the Democrats have continued to jump on Joe Wilson like a pack of rabid dogs because he does not support HCR and is viewed as “the enemy”.
          The only positive out of this is that the Dems continue to “piss off” mainstream Americans.
          Until there is specific language that guarantees illegals won’t recieve any kind of assistance, anytime, anywhere and anyplace from this health care reform issue there will never be a National Helth Care program in America. The Republicans have reached out on many occasions, but the President and the Democrats aren’t the least bit receptive to their ideas.

          • JeffH

            cntrary to what they say.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, here’s news, the President doesn’t have control over the House or the Senate for a reason… Called seperation of powers. Do you think this president wanted to go down in history, with a comment about a representative having to be censored? No. If he had control of the Congress,I’d been sending him nasty letters to make him stop the constant lying ie..death panels, execution squads, being done by our elected officials who are supposed to follow the rules of the office…… Don’t you guys respect any thing? I explained already that with such a large membership, if the didn’t follow protocol it would be chaois, Hey ask Joe Wilson if the SVC lets them just jump up and shout out crap during their board of directors meeting….lol

          • JeffH

            But, and I repeat BUT, he isn’t afraid to put pressure on them when it suits his politics. Oh, he can’t do that. RIGHT!
            The SCV doesn’t have a roll call! OOPS, I outed myself! LOL!

            What about Pelosi and Reid? You haven’t mentioned them at all, they lied!

        • JeffH

          That is the issue to you, and if you believe that fine. I don’t! I am saying it is far more than that. The Democrats aren’t totaly stupid, they are using the system to gain the advantage and that is going to comeback and bite them where it hurts the most, at the polls.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Anissa and Jeff Wake up and smell the coffee – it’s all politics.
        One party is going down and they just won’t admit they done it to themselves.
        Let’s define politics————————–
        ‘Poli’ in Latin meaning many or in great numbers
        ‘Tics’ in English meaning “bloodsucking creatures”.
        THERE YOU HAVE IT.

        • JeffH

          DUH!

        • JeffH

          Let us define Dee D : hateful, spiteful, spinster, leftist extremistas(pig latin)
          Feel free to add more if I missed anything

          • American Citizen

            Jeff, now you sound like a liberal.

  • John C. Davidson

    The word “hypocracy” stick out boldly in reference to the President’s speech.

  • Kalin

    Poor Joe Wilson. Although I do not agree with his timing or his place of saying it. The truth is still the truth. How can our President stand up there and say “not one dime” will be added to our deficit with this bill or any other bill he signs? Seriously? Don’t be gullible America. He is lying!!!

  • sonny

    Joe Wilson was right in what he said. Illegal aliens cost us they get
    free healcare, education, welfare, wic, incarceration, time in local jail awaiting trail, court cost, loss of jobs to American citizens, identity theft, healthcare fraud and all documents printed in English and Spanish and many more things. We’re talking about billions of dollars a year. The U.S. goverment didn’t do its job by defending our borders instead they threw them wide open. We now have 12 to 20 million illegal aliens here or more who knows? their answer is amnesty. None of them have the guts to change the law if your born on American soil your an American. President Obama will probably get his way with the congress we have, people like Nance Pelosi and Reid. Their all a bunch of socialist. I wish the people of California in District 8 would wake up and vote Pelosi out of office, she’s a nut.

    • http://Yahoo Dee

      Sonny does anyone here remember who was in office when the Sponsorship or the Hardcore act was implemented and placed on the citizens backs?
      Does anyone even have an inkling what these two programs cost American citizens and blue collar workers? Why do our Representatives in Washington reward our Industries for abandoning our country for the cheap labor in any country other than the United States? Of course we consumers reward them also – we buy their imports instead of leaving them lay on the shelves.
      We all are fairly stupid when it comes to electing our representatives. I was an Independent until the 2000 farce of an election. Now I will never again vote for another Republican for any office – not even for dog catcher.
      If everyone would do a little homework and try their best to vote for the better person for the seat instead of a party line – America would be much better off. But we make the mistake of allowing others to do our thinking for us. Is it indifference – stupidity – lack of caring – or just not being able to see the forest for the trees?

      • eyeswideopen

        Dee, hands clapping,,, but people can’t be individuals as they don’t feel as though they have any power… that’s why the Repubs are acting a little crazy, no. power. They will do or say anything to take Obama down, it dosen’t matter that the country will go too.

        • David

          Total barf, both of you. Let’s see, make it impossible for industry to be profitable here go elsewhere. Also Dee, Al Gore? Give me a break! He stands to make millions from cap and tax if it passes with his carbon credits that he plans to sell to industry so they can exist. I am so glad he wasn’t in charge the day after 9/11.

          • eyeswideopen

            If Bush hadn’t been in office, we wouldn’t have had this big deficit and a horrible medicare bill.

          • JeffH

            If we were a communist country we wouldn’t be faced with these problems either.

          • David

            Have you checked your deficit lately? How about the projected?? Barf again!

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            David – remember NAFTA? That started the mess and it was Bush Seniors baby and was shelved. It passed under Clinton because that was the political plan when Clinton beat Bush. Again – it’s all politics.
            Has anyone noticed that Bill and George seem to be joined at the hip lately?
            We all have very short memories but I like to tape politicians when they are lying – when re-election comes around – I like to review my tapes and cast my vote accordingly. Can’t do much of that anymore cause those in power are again making recorders obsolete and gone digital.
            See we are all slaves and must live according to the slave masters to generate the big bucks for the wealthy stock holders.
            I believe that with Cheney invading Iraq was not so much for the oil but to correct his Jr’s Daddy’s mistakes of arming Hussane with American weapons and killing him before he could tell a whole story for the world to hear. All politics. Wake up and read between the lines folks, to see the real picture of just what is going on here.

          • David

            Hey maybe the crahing dollar will help your auto workers actually export now….but I doubt it.

  • Herman

    Chip Wood wrote:

    It’s hard for me to believe that any adult American could be so gullible as to believe this. What I do believe is that a majority of Congress will pretend to believe it, knowing that a bunch of their constituents want it to be true. (Or, far more likely, don’t care if it is or not, so long as they get all those “free” benefits they’ve been promised.)

    Obviously some 52% of the Americans that stepped into the voting booths thought the could believe a guy who rarely ventured beyond Hope and Change in his election campaign.

    So much for the intelligence of the voters.

    Eligibility for voting should include at least 2 years of independent living and 2 sequential IRS tax returns with taxes paid, not earned income tax credits.

    • DaveH

      I agree Herman. It’s wrong for people with no skin in the game to be able to vote for free money at the expense of others. It’s not going to happen though. There are too many people now that are blinded in the rush to the trough.
      I am heartened by the number of people who are going to the great effort of getting out to the tea-party events and the town halls. Maybe the true workers in this country can get things turned back.

      • David

        And those two words “you lie” struck another chorde and woke up another layer of bystanders.

      • eyeswideopen

        Dave, so now you are saying only the Republicans work? First you all say the Dem’s have all the control and hold all the jobs that determine or make all the decisions, and have all the money. then you accuse them of not working? Make up you mind.

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    • over60

      A lesson in American History would be of great benefit also.

      • eyeswideopen

        Over 60, I can’t even get them to admit what happened in the past 8 years I doubt they will read any history books. They want to think that the Dem’s have never made any contributions to this country. Basically the Repubs want only one religion, one party ,one cable network and one voice sounds a little dangerous doesn’t it?? Nazi party rings a bell somewhere!!

        • JeffH

          Will you never let go? 8 years? sigh!

        • David

          Progressives, liberals…power grab? Please open those eyes wide open.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            No Dave – not a power grab. Power lost and they will try anything to regain their foothold.
            The only difference between a rut and the grave is the depth. All the Republican needs to do is shovel the dirt in on themselves. They’ve done one heck of a job of murdering their own party.

          • JeffH

            Dee D…It looks like the teacher(Republicans) have taught the student(Democrats) well. Now there are two holes being dug.

          • David

            Dee the big difference is that republicans realize that they need the middle class and industry to generate the taxes needed to fund their “projects” the liberals are just plain stupid….tax everyone and everything to death so they will just stop producing to spite them. Wake up blue dogs…you are not liberals so vote them out!

        • Get it right.

          eyeswideopen, yes, that is exactly what we want. One party, One religion, one people. Republicans are the right party. We are the only ones who do know how to run things. It doesn’t matter that we mad mistakes, you are too stupid to know how to fix them. The democrats run everything in this country. We need to throw them out of the good paying jobs. When I was at the tea party, I got flyer stating that we need a revolution to over throw those evil dems and take back our country. Most of us Republicans have guns and are prepared for what is bound to happen. The tea parties rally people really got us riled up and you could see the hate we were getting for those dems was working good. Christians are going to rule the world, and we need to get the Godless democrates out of this country.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Over 60 – I also am over 60 and I don’t remember who but one of our elected reps. suggested since we were burying ourselves with garbage we should blow it all into space. The ignorant lead the ignorant and stupid sheeple, never once having the good sense to see that what goes up will also come down. Maybe that is what God means when he said no more drowning but this earth will be destroyed with fire and brimstone. We are destroying ourselves with what we like to label as progress.

        • American Citizen

          Environmentalists are a big part of the problem. The whole global warming hoax is driving a lot of what is happening with our businesses. Geological scientists say we are actually in a cooling period, that the ice is getting larger in the Arctic and Antarctic. It’s all due to the activity of the sun and is cyclical.

          • Get it right.

            I don’t care what the rest of the world thinks, if our Christian leaders tell us that the warming is not happening then it isn’t. Even if it is who cares? WEcan’t stop it anyway. We just need to make sure that the democrates take the blame for it. We need to start rumors that they are the ones who made us dependant on oil and wouldn’t let us off of it. I say drill baby drill, who cares what it hurts? we can clean it up, we have everytime before. They talk about the frostline moving further south, who cares? It won’t affect that many foods.
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    • http://Yahoo Dee

      Herman – The blue collar worker has supported this country from square one and have received and still receive the least of any kind of handout from the Government.
      Now we’ve lost our jobs and our livelyhood to the same people that keeps stuffing the money into their own pockets and big business’s, pharmaceuticals and insurance company’s coffers or anyone else’s pockets that are willing to line our reps pockets.
      None of you people are willing to admit of just how much of the Bush’s lack-a-dazy, dishonest and illegal actions Obama inherited.
      At least Obama is spending and increasing the deficit on our people and our country. He’s not selling us down the pike to China.
      There is no way any one man or woman can correct all the wrongs that has been in the making for decades.
      We are all slaves and have been more-so under the Republican Administration. When the Democrats hold office even a few of little people get a little in return for their labor.
      It amazes me that so few people will do a little checking for themselves. Take the easy road and still refuse to admit you were wrong.

      • David

        So Dee, are you a laid off union worker or maybe your spouse? Gee what happened to industry? Oh yes, your unions broke its back. And now your big O gave away two US car companies to the unions. I will never buy another GM or Dodge again….as long as gov. motors exists.

        • Smilee

          ARE YOU FOR REAL???? Unions have 7% of private sector employees, are you really silly enough to believe that small minority has the power you credit it with. Had you been present with David and Goliath that fateful day I’m sure you would have mixed them up too. Corporations through their lobbies and financial power have made slaves out of all of us, that is the reason for our health care costs being double or more of most countries. When unions where at their height there was balance of power and the economy was good for everyone not just a minority as it is today. People used to have jobs that supported them today that is not true and this puts a lot of pressure on Gov. to fill in the gaps, today Gov. pays a bigger portion of the population’s living expenses then when the big corporations paid living wages far fewer people then could qualify for Gov. benefits and Unions where played a large part in that but today that is not true and companies can get by with paying many of their employees wages that do not support them. The best thing workers today could do for the country as a whole would be to join a union and guess what even at today wages are a little over $200.00 week more than non union and better benefits, check the labor dept. website if you do not believe me. It still works for those that are Union but even for them it is more difficult that it was before 1980. These big corporations are laughing all the way to the bank at all you idiots that are anti union and buy into them being so big and bad as they know as long as you do they can pocket all that extra earnings for themselves, they make so many dependent on Gov. today as it seems few here can do the math either as they all seem to believe in miracles and that any job make everyone self sufficient when in fact it does not.

          • David

            7% NOW but not before the rice burners got here. In the 70s it was perfectly acceptable for the big three to push out cars that were defective…I think it was 7% (lemon law). Remember Dr Demming? (spelling) He was the American that helped the Japs with quality and process improvement techniques that were driven down to the factory floor to the point that their line employees became autonomous process improvers. Which led to better cars. The big three were forced to catch up or get left behind…and they have for the most part. BUT look at the top 20 line item costs that go into producing a Jap versus US car. Labor is the most expensive cost in US cars and does not even register in the Jap cars.

            So the reason that unions are only 7% now is because: 1. Their big mean corporations are only a fraction of the size that they used to be due to competition. 2. American made cars are always playing catch up in innovation. That giant spinning flywheel just can’t change direction that fast.

            I have seen it with my own eyes…and THEY WERE WIDE OPEN! The union ran shops are a joke and spue inefficiency. And now big O is paying them back in every way…including card check (he wishes)!

            So if the unions do make a come back, say goodbye to US industry. Most will not stand for it.

          • Smilee

            David says:
            September 19, 2009 at 9:57 am

            David you sure credit unions with having a lot of power than they have and never had, unions never make management decisions and the big three car companies have been known for years to have bad management and they are the ones responsible for their defective cars, their employees make what and how management dictates. Corporations have been growing in size many times over in this country for the last 50 years and especially in the last decade. My company over the 37 years I worked for them bought another company on the average of one every 9 weeks during that time and was several 100 times bigger when I retired that when they bought the company I worked for. The CEO in that year (1965) was paid $29,000.00 a year and when I left in 2003 he was making 6.5 million plus benefits and stock options. You claim that corporations have gotten smaller is ludicrous and ruins your credibility on all else you say and as to inefficiency in Union shop, my division had four locations and we were the only one that was Union and our efficiency always was greater than the other three as determined by the company, in fact they would only make the most critical parts at our plant to insure the utmost in customer satisfaction and the sales crew if they had sent out from one of the other locations and it had defects and had to be returned for repair etc. they would most often sent it back to our location so they could be sure they would get it done right. This was the managements decisions not ours but because they could trust our work force we were given this work. Union haters always say what you say and that is the reason you say it and because you do not know the truth. In a union shop inefficiency is the responsibility of management as it is in non union shops and they make all the decisions on efficiency and never the unions. When unions were at their height the economy was too and would be again if unions were strong as they help provide a balanced economy with employees making a living wage and then will not be dependent on government programs as many have no choice but to be on today. Many working families today depend on medicaid or similar health care programs, day care subsidies, food stamps, earned income credits etc. as they to not make enough to pay for them themselves, when unions where strong no working people qualified or needed these programs as they need now. I am old enough to remember when that was the case. Your post is full of misinformation and pure BS

          • David

            Smilee, I meant market share with respect to size you smart one. I think but am not sure but I believe many tier 1 & 2 union ran suppliers are also gone now…so maybe I am right about the size shrinking, literally.

            You need to sit in a decompression chamber…I think you have the bends.

          • Smilee

            David

            Not sure what you are referring to but the bigger the Company the bigger the market share, so whats your point. And again Unions do not make management decisions and seldom are asked for input. You sound mad and mixed up to me.

          • David

            Unions force management to make decisions that do not make since. Whole processes have to be designed and built around the inefficiencies that you have built into the system over time. The rules and regs are in place to protect the workers, why not let them put those union dues in their pockets?

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          No David I’m not a layed off union worker. I am a retired auto worker from one of the big three and I am losing the benefits I worked so many years for. Unions are similar to all of the good old boys clubs that exist in America – they protect their own and have a lot of incompetents controlling the rank and file. My forefathers fought for decent working conditions for everyone and if the government and narrow minded people like you have your way we will return to the sweat shops – like I said my forefathers fought and died to correct. If America has enough people with the means to stop us from becoming a service nation or a third world country it will behoove us to keep unions intact to protect us.

          • David

            Dee, that explains the one major difference between us. I have worked since college in a privately held plant, which at times has served the american auto industry. I have toured many of your plants and it is really sad how many people it takes to get the job done in a union shop. Luckily for me, the company I work for has survived as several direct competitors (union shops) closed down. They could not compete so they moved abroad. I am sorry about your pension, heck we are all worried about that…I still have plenty of years to go but now this gov. is trying to take over and “we the people” are pissed off and have done our homework. So I will not call Eyes a racist redneck (she lives in the south) because she is blasting me above.

          • Smilee

            David

            As I said before it is company management that makes all the decisions as to what and how they make as in this case cars and if you saw what you claim you saw it was because management made the decisions as to how many people it needed to do a job and to how the jobs were done, this is never the decision of the unions or the workers weather they are union or non union, again you credit the unions with a lot of power they do not have and blame them for the decisions of management, we too had more employees than we needed in the last fifteen years I worked there and we tried to explain that to them but they were poor managers as opposed to those managers who proceeded them and made these stupid decisions anyway because they did not know how to do it in an efficient manner. We had about 10% more employees to do the same jobs in the last fifteen years than worked there in all the years that proceeded them doing the same work. Do you blame the children for the bad behavior of their parents as that is what you seem to be doing here, it only reveals your hatred of unions and has nothing to do with the truth.

        • eyeswideopen

          David, RICE BURNERS? and you actually claim you aren’t a racist?? LAUGHING OUT LOUD,

          • David

            Rice burners, corn burners…it’s a figure a speech. That thought never crossed my mind when I wrote that. That’s what’s wrong with the left…and I think you are one even though you say not…you have nothing to stand on factually so you pull the race card to detract!

            Chill out…

          • Smilee

            David

            Rice burners is a racist term, call it a figure of speech if you like but it is still a racist term and it was you that used it and when eyes called you on it your response was she was playing the race card when it was you that placed the racists cards on the table. Take responsibility for you own behavior and not shift it to her much the same as you shifted bad management decisions on to the unions and the workers who do not have the power you say they have either.

          • Get it right.

            David, you can fool her, (WORDS REMOVED FOR OFFENSIVE CONTENT)… don’t think she is really that stupid. But we need to kick her out of our party. Too progressive , she isn’t going to buy the party line. Trouble maker. Asks too many questions, she is old school Christian trying to help too many people, who aren’t hers. We have limited money to spend, can’t give it to minorities and non-believers. She be nown as a moderate, no room for them in this party.

          • Smilee

            Eyes

            Does this mean they think your a RINO, it baffles me a party in the the minority wanting to kick out all those votes, wouldn’t you think that an even smaller minority would be the last thing they would want. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Do you think this is the beginning of the end for the republican party as we have known it, What do you think Lincoln, T Roosevelt and Eisenhower would say if they were here, for that matter Reagan, I think he would be disappointed too albeit he was a different republican form those others I mentioned.

          • David

            Smilee you keep refering to the repubs as the shrinking minority but what you, Dee, somewhat Eyes keep missing is the “population” majority has had it with your president and his liberals’ agenda. You forget, the libertarians filled the gap that your sheeple did not. You are even losing some sheeple…..hang on.

  • Alan

    If 0bama does not like being called a liar, he should stop lying.
    Given 0bama’s oratory predilections, I would expect more of the same from him though.
    He should therefore expect more of the same from the public whom HE works for.
    The problem before us is not the treatment of the person holding the office president but the mis-treatment by the president of his own office.
    A person with no character holding such an office should have expectation of anything more than the treatment he has received thus far.
    I am hopeful people remain mindful of the severe and shameful losses since January 20th 2009 to our nation’s wealth and stature and vote accordingly.

    • DaveH

      Alan,
      I think an increasing number of citizens are waking up to Obama’s blatant lack of honesty. Of course that doesn’t include those who are so blinded by their greed for other people’s money that they refuse to think.

      • s c

        DaveH, you’re right once again. The first protocol of the ultralib mentality is to turn off one’s brain. Next, they must believe everything their leaders spew out (even when common sense is sacrificed on the altar of social outcomes). When in doubt, resort to name-calling, and then go into full denial mode.
        It must be quite a shock to the conscience to be in denial 24 hours a day, but ultralibs know how to do it. How else could these people get through the day without a mental breakdown? When people let twisted minds like Lenin, Marx, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Saul Alinsky and a sociopathic preacher in Chicago set their goals, the results are predictable. You get a lying non-leader like comrade obama and all of his czars and career parasite chums. And they wonder why we don’t line up to salute or smile at the insanity they call ‘leadership.’

      • JeffH

        Just follow all of the approval ratings, from a high of about 70% to just 50% (+-). They tell a lot about the political climate in the USA.

        • Smilee

          Beats the hell out of GW’s ratings that got down to I think it was 26%, most people still like Obama and when all is said and done he will be highly respected by the vast majority, he is only just begun and there are mountains and valleys but in the end you will be unhappy

          • JeffH

            Keep on believing that. Oh, by the way, how are the swimming lessons coming along?

          • eyeswideopen

            Smilee, BBC had report on how we do our polls, I couldn’t stop laughing. They showed how you can skew any poll to make it read what you want. They even stated that certain area codes and zip codes are so predictable that if a polling company is looking for a certain outcome they can get it. I personally don’t believe in polls, as the hidden agenda insults me. But, I do believe that the election results show that American was unhappy with us Republicans and we have lots of work to do.

          • Smilee

            Eyes

            You must remember that all the Obama haters on here are representative of only about 20% of the population of the country and being such a small minority they will never succeed in bringing Obama down as he is very much respected as an individual by the vast majority of the population albeit a fewer number agree with him on some issues. Remember when these same people where telling us before the election that the race factor would be large in the polls and doubted he could win because of it, well they where wrong and they are wrong here to as they have been in the majority of all elections in the last five years or so but they will never admit it nor will they admit it that it is their portion of the republican party that is dragging it down and because of that a lot of analysis of many is that they will not do well in 2010 because of that and not anything the democrats say or do. Why do you suppose they put a black man in charge of their party as they know the party may fail and they can then blame it on that because they know many of them are bigots, remember there a few blacks in their party as was apparent at their convention in St. Paul last year. Most blacks do not think they care anything about them and my guess they are right.

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  • http://www.rlscottassociates.net R.L. “Randy” Scott

    I was shocked and amazed that after Obama’s address to Congress that he had a slight positive bump in polls for “his healthcare plan.” Has the American Public dumbed down that much. I am even more amazed at the far left Pelosi bunch calling anyone speaking out against “OBAMACARE” racist. Martin Luther King said…” the day would come where a black man would be judged by the content of his character and not the color of his skin…”….well I think Obama should be judged by the content of his character and his actions and words…the color of his skin has absolutely nothing to do with his efforts to destroy this nation , our economy, and move us towards socialism. Wake up America!!!

    • American Citizen

      The bump only lasted a few hours.

    • David

      Unfortunately race relations seem to be taking a step backwards thanks to the elite whites…Carter, Pelosi, etc….

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I agree. I wonder what the hell Jimmy Carter did in his past that he is so filled with guilt about, that he thinks he can make it up by kissing the butts of the black populace. I for one do not need him apologizing for me, or accusing me of being racist. I for one, was looked in the face and told I couldnt even apply for a job in 15 straight business I attempted to apply to, because I was white. Told me to my face. That my friend, is prejudice, and a race problem. I had no NAACP, no black minsters alliance, no black american college fund, no BET network. No, I had no one to fight for me but God above. So I joined the military, learned a trade, and worked ever since. But I was prejudiced after that also, when applying for a job. A factory I worked at closed, and all the black workers got hired right into a good paying steel mill here in town. I heard about it and went there to apply, and again, I was told I couldnt because I was white. Racist, racist, racist. When we, meaning our government, takes steps to help one race, by cutting out another, that is racism of the greatest kind. I mean, that is exactly against what Martin Luther King wanted for blacks. He wanted to be judged by the content of your character, not the color of your skin. And now our government condemns me for 5 years because of the white pigment of my skin. And the worst part is, still to this day, as I see a black president, and many million dollar black atheletes. I see 90 percent of the NBA is black. I see 60 percent of the NFL is black. 70 percent of major league baseball is black and hispanic/caribbean. And I still hear all the time about how prejudice America is, but it seems it is allowed against you if your white, and thats wrong. The Germans took everything my ancestors had when they came to America. They dont owe me anything. Those people that did this are dead and gone, as are my ancestors. Those alive in Germany now had nothing to do with it. As is here, I had nothing to do with slavery, and those people are dead and gone. Yet, there are guys like Robert Sheets Byrd of Virginia, an ex-klansman, racist, and the blacks still vote for him every year. So racism has become nothing more than an excuse to get something for nothing. Its easy to play the victim, and I for one am sick of it. Put the damn race card away, its over, its been abused, its used when it doesnt need to be, and its now a trump card. Its wrong, so please put it away. Life goes on, get over it. Geez.

        • eyeswideopen

          Berb, I was wondering why you had a leaning towards hating the blacks but now I know. You didn’t like the racist you faced did you? But you are willing to stop it? No. Should we be calling you a Nazi lover because you came from Germany? Of course not, but you are willing to contribute to the hate not debate against this President aren’t you?

          • JeffH

            You do your share of contributing hate!

          • Smilee

            Jeff

            she was only responding to your hatreds

        • Smilee

          Carter grew up amongst bigotry and his best friend was black, they grew up together and he knows what real racism really is and apparently he sees something that angers him greatly and may be we should not be so quick to dismiss what he said as he probably understands it better that most of us do and many who grew up in very different situations and probably have much more trouble recognizing it. OPEN MINDS NEEDED!!

          • JeffH

            Yeah, it’s called senility!

          • Smilee

            Jeff

            No open mind in you case only a stupid response that demonstrates just how closed your mind is

          • JeffH

            “sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me!”

        • eyeswideopen

          Beberoni, if you aren’t a racist you shouldn’t have been offended, as he wasn’t speaking to you……

      • http://Yahoo Dee

        The race factor has been on the back burner for eons. Be careful Right wing nuts – your racism is showing.
        I’m really jealous of the black race – they have a tan year round while us crazy white folks par broil ourselves to get a tan during summer and it fades out in a month.
        Seriously now – I don’t know if you believe there is a God or we evolved. I believe there is a God and we did not swing out of trees or crawl out of the water – BUT – if we are unable to respect one another in this lifetime what makes you think we will get to Heaven to live in harmony together?

        • David

          Both of you completely missed the point, again. Read what he said. This in not about race to the whites…well except the stupid elite liberal ones that what to make it look that way. They are trying to divert away from the tea parties which are growing is size each time they happen. So they (you) are trying to say we are racist because we do not believe in your president’s agenda. We have exposed the lies in every piece of legislation thus far and there is nothing else to do but pull that race card and it isn’t going to work. I think Berb has had a legitimite “life” experience with discrimination, on him.

          The color of the skin does not matter unless the “Peter Principle” is in affect. Happens all the time. I see it from another point of view. I work in a large manufacturing plant and struggle with the people that have worked their way up from the floor and since I was hired in as an engineer….I get to deal with upper mgrs that like to promote their own instead of the right person.

          • Smilee

            David

            Racism is only a heart filled with hatred in this case hatred of a black person for the color of their skin and has nothing to do with what you say and imply and it seems that few people here understand that, accusing racism when it has nothing to do with the issue and if it does there always seems to be an explanation given that makes no sense. Racists are almost always in denial of it but I fear we have quite a few in here and I’m equally sure if they are not in denial they would not admit it.

          • Get it right.

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          • eyeswideopen

            David, looks like you have a fan. I can’t wait to read your response.

          • David

            I may have….but most of his comments get bleep’d out. I think you really fire him up. Back to Smilee who has buyer’s remorse over his pres…Get the right guy for the job, that’s all I’m saying.

          • Smilee

            David

            No Buyers remorse here, none at all, I still think he best man for the job in my lifetime and you may have to agree with that when he leaves office in 7 1/2 years because then we will all know how really good he is, I think at this early date even you know it is not possible to know how he will turn out but he sure shows a lot of promise. Trying to determine my feelings shows how inept you are, weather you admit it or not you cannot read minds.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dee, so simply put and so true. But you are assuming that these people are true Christians. Doesn’t this site make it pretty clear that Jesus is probably having a heart attack watching how his children are treating each other? Shame.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            Eyes – No I know the Good Lord is not having a heart attack. He knew that everybody can not and will not be appeased. He learned that at the tower of Babel. That’s when he sent us all to different parts of the world to create our own cultures and religions. We have shrank the world ourselves and our fights start when we all want to be busybodies and tell everyone else how to live. God knows how it will all end and the meek and the just will inherit the earth. He will judge us on our actions and it will either be a new beginning or the worst disaster for each and every one. Before any of you cut me to ribbons for preaching let me give you an opinion I believe in……………………
            I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn’t, than live my life as if there isn’t a God, and die to find out there is.

          • eyeswideopen

            DEE d I was asking the other Dee, not you. I believe that when you make decisions or speak, you should just think what would Jesus think if he was standing right next to you?

        • Elaine

          Keep feeding the racist flame D…and prove yourself right..we will never live in harmony this way!

          • Get it right.

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          • eyeswideopen

            Git it Right,
            I hate everything you are saying, but at least you are honest with how you feel. I think you are very radical, and I wish you weren’t in the Republican party, You prove my point that we definately have a fringe in this party who are radical and racist. I will pray for you.

  • Mad

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    Earl,

    I am sorry, sir, but how old are you? No offence, but are you one of those people that look up when someone tells you there is “gullible” written on the ceiling?

    Mad

    • Mad

      Sorry Earl. My commecnt was for Mike M.

  • http://yahoo.com The New Outcome

    I just wanted to say OMG amazing that was a wonderful story and it is the best when people actually write the truth. I also think the saying the truth hurts is so true and this is why when he called Obama a liar they made a huge deal about it. Making him apologize is there smoke and mirrors to make it seem like because he is saying sorry that he was in the wrong, well America is not that dumb they are slowly starting to see the truth and the true Obama and are pissed at themselves for voting for him. All this is going to show is Obama getting these things to pass and with the majority against him is going to revel the truth about none of the American peoples votes count for sh!t we are seeing this by getting ridicules things passed it is all about the NWO and it is going to happen anyway no matter if we have 99% of people apposing him or even if the laws show he (not being a natural born citizen) is not even supposed to be president that he was chosen a long time ago as the puppet. Moreover with the racism how is it we can keep from sounding resist in these debates or even commenting on here? You said you do not tolerated it but if I am white and I am against Obama or just simply call him a liar I am resist. This right here shows a ridicules way to use smoke and mirrors just to get what they want. Everyone knows you are not a resist just because you call someone a liar so we all can see the real game revealed people just have to stop ignoring it and as Americans we need to take a stand. Racisms will not go away because too many blacks are using it as a TOOL and that is all. For the most part racisms has disappeared about 90% of America has let it go. Nor do we have any minorities that are repressed or have been slaves that are alive today so why is it we continue bringing it up??? In order to get rid of it we need to drop it and stop letting the NWO push and our Government keep separating us. The more we are separated (blacks, whites, men, women, exct.) the weaker America gets. “United we stand, Departed we fall”. Take care all please open your eyes and lets get together to make a stand for FREEDOME.
    The New Outcome

    • http://msn.com Gregg

      WOW
      “Racisms will not go away because too many blacks are using it as a TOOL and that is all. For the most part racisms has disappeared about 90% of America has let it go. Nor do we have any minorities that are repressed or have been slaves that are alive today so why is it we continue bringing it up???”—-Do you really believe what you wrote? The social imbalance in regards to health care, wages, promotions, credit approval are most certainly still part of our society. 90% of America has let it go?—Read the comments on this page and tell me again how prejudice is gone. And this is coming from a 49 year old white male from the Northeast.

      • American Citizen

        Greg, I guess you are one of those who calls anyone who disagrees with Obama a racist. Never mind that we can think for ourselves and don’t want the CRAP he wants to give us. You’d think that any black who wants to become a slave to the Federal Government would cringe at the word “slave”.

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          American – do you really think for yourself? If so how in the world can you refuse to see all that came down the pike between 2000 and 2008, and worse yet defend all that the Administration done? We all are right or wrong, we only get a rear full of splinters sitting on the fence.
          So far Obama has not murdered anyone and was berated because he said he would be willing to talk with anyone. If the Bush Administration had kept their promise and completed the job in Afghanistan, Obama would not have inherited that mess along with everything else he inherited and has to try to correct. Please remove your rose colored glasses and see a clear picture of all that is happening. God really must love stupid people – he made so many of them. Stupid is as stupid does.

          • American Citizen

            You are so full of baloney. Not once have I mentioned the previous administration. It was not as bad as the liberal media lead you to believe. Talk about revisionist history. i am afraid for this country and its future in the way it is going NOW. That past is the past. Leave it go and work on today. That’s the only time you’re sure of.

          • Smilee

            AC

            That is sort of like after a tornado, just walk away and leave the mess as it is in the past and lets just leave it. You make such little sense.

          • Get it right.

            DEE D. American , will never say anything bad about our Bush. It doesn’t matter what he did, he only did what was right for the Republicans and we accept everything he did. We are the only ones who know how to handle money. You people hav e the bad reputation, we don’t!! everyone knows that we gave you the TAX AND SPEND tiltles and we will be saying that untill we can get rid of your party for good. You dems don’t deserve to live here. I don’t care if Bush put us in debt or not. wHEN WE get our power back we will show you!! It was a lie that clinton left us any money. You dems fixed the books to make him look good and you fixed the books to make Bush look bad. Every body knows you all have the controll to make things seem like we made mistakes. We didn’t and will go back and fix those records to show what really happened. Dee we are much better than you guys at making people believe us, remember the clinton admin?? We are doing the same thing to you now.HAH HA!

          • eyeswideopen

            Get it right, I don’t even have any words for you except. You are a bit crazy.

          • Smilee

            Get it right. says:
            September 21, 2009 at 9:43 pm

            Are you ever confused and you understand nothing, Bush borrowed and spent much more that democrats taxed and spent and that does not take into account all the interest we will have to pay on Bush’s spending. Bush was also very inefficient, Medicare reform drove the cost of Medicare up 14% just so his corporate friends could make more money the easy was and inefficiency happened in much of his spending especially in the military, not to mention he also borrowed to pay for a tax cut for the most wealthy. Democrats are much more inefficient than republicans they always get more bang for their buck. Answer this why is the republicans now so against changing Medicare by paying the republican created Advantage plans the same as all other Medicare plans, after all they added this 14% cost to Medicare in 2003 with no concern for what it is now costing taxpayers and the plans reduced the patient’s choices and legal protections. If you understood what is really going on you probably would become a democrat, When I did I quit the republican party and joined the democrats, It was a very smart move.

      • David

        So Greg, the portion of the poor majority isn’t there because of democrat subsidies? We pay people to keep having children that they can’t afford to raise properly? Why because liberals are weak and think that the only way to control the people is to have the people be dependent upon the gov. So let’s crash industry in this country with cap/trade, health care, card check (unions SUCK!) then everyone will have to become a liberal and stand in a bread line!

        • American Citizen

          You’re absolutely right, what you want more of, you subsidize.

        • Smilee

          David

          UNIONS suck, I knew you hated unions, do not you understand that because of weak unions now the companies no longer pay living wages and thus the demand for these government services, if the companies paid a living wage and they would need only a small portion of these services, when the government pays for child care, food stamps, medical, earned income credits etc it is because they are in effect subsidizing the companies wage and benefit schedules. Why do you suppose the profits of many of these big companies have sky rocked as union power has been reduced. You are biased and do not understand any of this.

          • American Citizen

            When the unions were first formed, it was for the right reasons. But as time went by, they kept making more and more demands on the businesses until they became burdensome. That’s why Mexico and other countries are getting our businesses. They even drove the railroads out of business because of the featherbedding, at least that was a large part of it. Government regulations finished the job.

          • Smilee

            AC

            You could of fooled me, I have a train go by my house every 20 minutes, 24 hours a day, when I moved in 25 years ago maybe one every three hours. Also how is it unions become burdensome when wages have been stagnant and going down in many cases for the last 30 years and at the same time government programs (food stamps child care earned income credit etc. have skyrocketed to fill in the gaps that large corporations have created with low wages and they laugh all the way to the bank with their enormous profits. Now their exceptions to the rule, some made bad management decisions and had financial troubles but that is the exception not the rule.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        It is now a trump card. Its an added advantage. So easy to play the victim.

      • eyeswideopen

        Gregg. they can’t even admit that their is still predjuice against women in this country…even when they are white.. this is laughable, it is truly amazing that these people think racism is gone, ask them how many black people are their friends?? What has happened is that slowly some blacks have gotten into a position of authority probably at their workplace and the resentment grows on a daily basis. It was ok, when the blacks knew their place and stayed out of “their workplace” and life, but now, holy crap they are taking over. Can’t wait to see how it goes in a couple of years when whites are in minority and the Hispanics are ruling… should be a hoot!!

        • David

          Eyes, what is it? What has scorned you so badly? Any managing position in a company matters. If we promote the wrong person for the wrong reasons “Peter Principle” to a position that is above of their abilities, then the whole company suffers.

          • eyeswideopen

            David, scorned? No, david, as a woman, I have been so fortunate to experience discrimination first hand. I have been passe over for promotions because some man who has a family needed the money more than me. It didn’t matter that I had financial needs, I was a woman, and that’s just how it is. Now we do have a law that passed this year, that hopefully won’t allow that to go on any longer. I have also had people instantly dislike me simply because I have red hair. It was very hurtful as a kid, but when I got older, I realized how it must be for people who have a differnt skin color. Hell, It still happens today, Iv’e had waiters tell me, you know I normally don’t like red heads but you are really nice. I am floored everytime. But I shouldn’t be.

          • Smilee

            David

            you put your finger on the reason their is so much inefficiency in big companies today, they promote a lot of the wrong people today, they only have to be able know how to say “YES” even if they do not know why they say it.

          • David

            I agree with Smilee…someone write that down

  • Michael Downing

    By the time this Administration and its’ full agenda of demoncrats are finished…our country will fall. I believe in our Constitution and…as for myself…I love my country and am a free Spirit. I will always do so….God Bless America…It’s citizens…and to h..l with
    those that differ with my belief. God Will Intervene and save the worlds most powerful Country and awaken a sleeping giant.

  • WRH

    Yes let’s talk about RUDE when obama stood before America and placed his hand on God’s Word and took an Oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States he LIED and continues to do so. Therefore let’s teach our children that it’s OK to LIE. Now eyeswideopen it’s more than evident you don’t squat about the SCV there is nothing about this group that is extremist. Are you so ignorant that the word Confederate scares you. Get a Life. Now Clay let’s talk about adult do you think is adult to LIE to the Americans (even you & eyes) that have been & continue to be hoodwinked by an ILLEGAL ALIEN masquerading as POTUS. Folks do you really want obama & big government to run ever aspect of your life. Don’t you think it’s time to stop handing out & perhaps start tying your own shoes. I suppose both of you want to make all ILLEGALS citizens and pay for them too. WE THE PEOPLE SAY WAKE UP, STAND UP AND TAKE BACK AMERICA!! IMPEACH obama NOW!!!!!!!!

    • To tell the truth

      WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!

    • eyeswideopen

      WRH, it was your Beloved Pres. Bush who was afraid of the SCV not me! He was the one who put them on the watch list, not me. I live in the land of DixiE and have no problem with honoring and remembering the fine southern soliders who died for their beliefs, I have a problem with a known racist group who hides behind a title that should be honored. When you have a known KKK sympathizer as their leader, it is pretty evident that they are radical.. You need to do some research yourself bubba.

  • WRH

    Hey Mike M. who do you think is paying the way for these ILLEGALS. Do you not realize all that is being done to America by these people who break disease, rape, molestation to our children, murder civilians and law enforcement, gangs exploding, trashing our country, etc.,etc.,etc. No this doesn’t even cover the health cost and above all what is it YOU do not understand about ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL. Just like all the crap this ILLEGAL ALIEN LIAR masquerading as POTUS is doing.

    • Cathy

      Exactly…what part of ILLEGAL don’t they all understand? Geez, get ‘em outta here…

      O’Bummer WAS lying, all the way through this “speech” he gave.

      He is an embarrassment to the United States of America. Bowing to kings, dissing Americans, apologizing for us, spending like a drunken sailor, promoting poverty, and bashing prosperity (it’s OK for him since he thinks he’s a king).

      No experience, no resume, no clue. He shouldn’t even be in charge of a lemonade stand.

      And yeah, McCain was born in Panama as that’s where his dad was stationed. Congress went through the entire vetting process about his right to run for president. Why didn’t they check out O’Bummer? Mr. Mystery Man.

  • http://eddie@kivetts.com Eddie

    That is wright Dan, But i think it is the president who need to apologize to the American People for standing up there and lieing and thinking we belive it. The ones that dont read the bill want no if he lieing or not that is why everyone need to read it our congressman and the American people. This country better get back to where it once was back in the BIBLE with GOD our LORD and saverory.

  • cemott3rd

    Lie or no lie, a rude response at an inapropriate time or not, tit 4 tat who cares, so what! What I do know is that even though we may have the best healthcare in the world we also have arguably the worst, most unscrupulous health insurers in the world. The health INSURANCE system in this country MUST be reformed or it WILL bankrupt our great nation whilst providing us less and less real coverage. Meanwhile if business owners large and small would stop hiring these illegal workers they would have little choice but to migrate back south. Maybe ICE should actually enforce the 1986 immigration law!

    • Cathy

      Surprise…the US is already bankrupt. Watch I.O.U.S.A. and see for yourself. It’s available for rent or purchase.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Cathy – We will only be bankrupt if China calls in her markers. We can’t expect them to forgive the debt that the Bush Administration created like the USA forgave all the debts other countries owed us.

        • American Citizen

          Yes, now China has us by the short hairs.

          • Smilee

            AC

            That is the condition Obama inherited

  • Ron

    Well, I’ve said it before. The people are learning the mistake they made when they elected this president. I didn’t know he would prove me so right so fast. Now he wants to disrespect our allies agreements and stop making missiles to pacify Russia. Maybe he would like to be another all powerful PUTIN!

    • DaveH

      Putin is another one who doesn’t care about his own people. He is putting Russia as well as Europe in grave danger by enabling Iran in their quest for Nuclear Weapons. Does he really think Iran will only be a danger to the West? Iran is only a few hundred miles from Russia’s border.

      • Ron

        DaveH, that is my point, thank you.

      • American Citizen

        I also had that figured out as soon as I heard it. What did Obama promise Putin? That’s the $64,000 Question. I’m surprised Putin hasn’t figured it out, but then he wouldn’t be getting all that money from Iran. It’s too bad the Russian people can’t rise up as we are as they know their Army would put a stop to it just as China did to its people years ago.

      • JeffH

        Maybe the “COLD WAR” is on the rise once more.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Dave – What makes you believe anyone in Washington cares anything about any person except for the money the stupid slaves stuff into their pockets while they tell us they are representing us and watching out for our and our countries interest? Wake up and smell the coffee.

  • Todd

    Joe Wilson may have said what he said at an inappropriate time, but at least he had the backbone to tell the truth. BHO, Pelosi, Franks, Reed, and all the other wacked out liberals lie constantly, but they’re not even good at it. It’s so obvious. BHO was elected because people wanted change (and we did need change), but he’s talking a different game now that he’s in the White House. If people knew now what they knew then, Obama would probably not even be in the Senate, let alone the White House. Hopefully, the liberals won’t be able to do too much more damage to our country before we can vote them all out in 2010.

    • DaveH

      Todd,
      I would think the Liberals would be very upset when Pelosi insults their intelligence with her obviously blatant lies. If her ideas are valid why can’t she just tell the truth?

      • JeffH

        The Democrats and Liberal Left operate on a “one way agenda”.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Come on Dave, my friend. Think about it. Bill Clinton is their hero, so do really think they would be upset with lies? You know, “I didnt inhale”, and “I never had sexual relations with that woman”. Just like he didnt know anything about all those people that mysteriously died about the Mena Arkansas drug ring, where the trail was headed back to the governors office, but everyone, the defendants, their lawyers, the witness’s, the cops, everyone. Yep, their hero is a liar, so they accept it as the norm.

    • American Citizen

      If the people didn’t know what kind of change Obama was talking about, they weren’t really listening. Those of us who had him figured from day one did not vote for him.

      • http://paragonservices.org Gloria Ross

        AMEN to that. I personally was depressed and in shock for a week after the election at the thought of how many AMERICANS had been duped by this imposter.

      • David

        Sheeple and independents….hopefully we will win back some inde’s

  • mark

    Thomas Jefferson said that “dicention is the highest form of patriotism” and I agree, we have a right to be heard and regardless of format/time/place it needed to be said….God Bless Sen. Wilson for standing up and speaking out while the rest of our officails sat and stewed…. Baraks ego wouldn’t last ten seconds in a British Parliment session,when you have to answer questions that no teleprompter could save you from

  • DaveH

    I really don’t think there is any hope of waking up Liberals. They are high on OPM and are going to be in denial until the country collapses.

    • eyeswideopen

      Dave you repeat “other peoples money” in almost every comment. I am truly sorry that your ex wife was a Democrat who stole your money , however you need to get over it. You know how you are always telling people to start their own insurance companies, or med. schools? why don’t you buy an island , call it the Libertarian Island and take all these crazy radical racists with you.. Im sure with only one religion, one party and one voice, you all would be so happy. Leave America to the rest of us who are willing to work together to solve the problems. I feel so bad for all of the Veterans who died for all of you, beacuse some of them were Democrats and it was a waste of their lives as they are degraded every time one of you opens your ugly mouths and the slimie crap comes out degrading all the other people who aren’t the hallowed Republicans or the all knowning Libertarians, which is a little ironic that you have part of the word LIBERAL as your party name, Which was to honor the first true liberals of this country. Your hero Ron Paul, or your spokesperson, had to run on the Republican ticket and is now in the straw vote being taken by the 2000 neoconservatives holding a forum which should scare a normal American. You will never be able to get most Americans to give up this standard of living with the chance of anarchy hanging over their heads. Hell, we can’t even get us Republicans to give up the belief that they have the right to tell someone else what to do with their own body so, the abortion part of your platform won’t fly. They won’t allow gays to have the same freedoms they do, so that part of your platform is dead in the water. Basically the Libertarian platform is too liberal for the Repubs, but you already know that.

      • Smilee

        Another one who sees through Davie and all his baloney and bullshit

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Eyes – Most of the veterans were democrats because the Republican vets can be counted on one hand. There were a few good ones but not many. The poor people fought the wars the war mongers started to make more money for the elite in our country. Like Jr – he was not AWOL he was out campaigning instead of completing his duty, and due to the fact he disobeyed a direct order to be tested for drugs, the possibility that he may have to serve in a real war was more than could be accepted. Daddy’s money spoke loud and clear.

        • David

          Barf a third time! Are you kidding me?

  • Andy

    As I sit here reading these comments I can’t help but think about the individuals that are so enamoured by the chosen one. So much so that I would like to ask a couple of simple questions, doubt that it will sink in but I will try: To those who believe that all is right: What would/will you do if everything that is being written here turns out to be true. Will you rant and rave that the conservatives are to blame? Or better yet what will you do when whatever you have that is good(you earned it) is taken away from you and given to someone you know to be not so deserving, in the name of sharing the wealth. What will you do? What will you do when all of sudden instead of being able to go to the doctor within hours of calling for an appointment you are told best you can get is 3 months from now or worse they say sorry we’re not taking anymore patients this year. What will you do? What will you do when you see your taxes skyrocket and now you can’t feed your family anymore. What will you do? What will you do when that job (good or bad)that you have is terminated because the owner(s) of the company can’t/won’t pay the heavy taxes due just to allow you to work there. What will you do? When we borrowed from the Chinese what did we give as collateral? Anyone? How about our newly found oil fields. So why are we not drilling? Because we can’t. They belong to the Chinese now. We are being sold out and crippled and the blind can’t see it or won’t see it until it is way too late. Then what? The lies we hear everday are so sweet sounding that it is hypnotic. Then reality smashes you right in the face. OUCH!!!!!! I concur WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!! Just think about what you have now and what are you willing to just give away because some liar told you you had to or you will be punished. What will you do???

    • Sonny

      Andy, you are so right. I have read almost every comment and I continue to shocked at the , gullibility or stupidity of so many citizens.
      I have lived through many years of watching different presidents run our country into , what ? But this is the most horrible abuse of presidential power I have ever seen.

      The media is disgraceful!!!! They can’t or wont do the job they are supposed to do, this is what fear does to a person.
      But they have to attack the radio and TV host that are not afraid of calling it what it is, to try to hide their impotency.

      The question that has scalded me more than the rest is, HOW CAN HE CONTINUE TO GET BY WITH REFUSING TO PROVE HE IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN??
      Every president before him has had to prove that he has the right to be President. Even his own grandmother has said he was born in a foreign country.
      This probably would eliminate our problems with him and the democratic congress, they need to be impeached for the lies and abuse of the White House.
      I could say a lot more, but the supporters of Obama wouldn’t understand pure common sense, because of their blindness concerning Obama.
      No one denies that we need work done on our insurance programs, but government take over is not the way. More government, more loss of all of our freedoms that so many soldiers have died for.

      More thing, have you ever heard the old expression? That is the pot calling the kettle black?,No pun intended!
      How any one can make so much out of two words of truth, ” you lie ” when the stench of their words during the tea parties and town hall meetings are still on their breaths.

      Me think it is ” don’t do as I do , do as I say. “

      • eyeswideopen

        Sonny; do we mail the talking points directly to your house, or do you grt them off of cable news?

    • Smilee

      Dream on, none of it will come true

      • American Citizen

        Smilee, I think you get your kicks from playing “devil’s advocate.”

  • http://rmwilliamson@frontiernet.net Marilyn

    Obama is a LIAR. He is a dictator and is certainly not for the American people. Get smart people before this country goes the way of past civilizations . The Democrats have their own agenda and want to cram it down the throats of the American people. It is time for Americans who still believe in FREE speech to speak out aganist the current administration before we no longer have that right. God bless Senator Wilson for having the brains and guts for speaking the truth.

  • Burgi

    Looking through the comments, the pattern is there and STRONGLY there that those who make an effort to agree with the president do not support him with their words . . . As Jenny so aptly said, they ATTACK JOE WILSON, they attack the conservatives as a group and, I add they then attack individual persons who write in support of Congressman Wilson’s outburst as a needed TRUTH SPOKEN. They do not support Obama with words, because there is no American way . . . there is no way with character to support lies which promise not only empty dreams, but will lead to our destruction as a nation. Give my liberty (not empty promises) or give me death.

    • eyeswideopen

      Burgi, that man doesn’t my help to defend him. He is smarter than all the people on this site. How do I know that? WHO IS THE PRESIDENT? His intelligence is probably ten times more than any of ours. Just think about it. We are all white, some with college, some without, regardless, he is black, was poor, is college educated at one of the best colleges in the country, is married to a Yale and Harvard grad, and has beaten all of us to the highest position in this country. So it is pretty correct to state that he is smarter than all of us. He would probaly be appalled and tell me not to waste my time or energy as it is out of my grasp, my pary’s going to pay for what they bring upon themselves. American’s like to be proud and this party is hurting for leadership.

      • chuck b

        eyeswideshut

        obama may be smarter than you i won’t question that, but speak for yourself. i can’t find that obama was poor and he probably went through college on foriegn subsistence and being a minority he probably got other grants. you evidently worship this man, i don’t. he isn’t one fifth as smart as you think, “he is a con man” his actions so far indicate to me he is rather stupid, only when he stands in front of the telepromter does he sound reasonably intelligent, off the prompter he sounds like a typical canned politician. he is being used by a political machine that could destroy this country. and as a white christian your comment about the christian party “doesn’t run this country”, they may not anymore, but, this country was founded on christian principal and morals and now we have people like you doing their best to tear it apart. now don’t give me that us republicans, i think they would cancel your membership.

        • Smilee

          And you call Obama a liar, no where near you lies, oh and he is 100 times smarter that you could ever hope to be, you have made that clear time and time again on this site

        • American Citizen

          Eyes is not a true Republican because she can see nothing good in what they do. All she can do is criticize them. She is a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” a Democrat posing as a Republican. She may claim she’s a registered Republican, but that means nothing as you can vote however you want.

          • eyeswideopen

            American, I have been searching for a couple of hours and I can’t find one thing that the Republicans have participated with since the election. Why don’t you check and see if you can find anything, I would love a link to anything showing participation.

        • eyeswideopen

          Chuck, there you go again, this country was not founded on Christian principles..,, Where does it say, In JESUS CHRIST anywhere in any documents???? And guess what, churches and religions are not supposed to run this country. Our founding fathers made sure of that. Now get back on your boat and paddle back to where ever you came from that doesn’t have books.

        • eyeswideopen

          Chuck, true Republicans still stand for honesty, integrity and ethics. It is only you neoconservative who are trying to hijack the country using the Christian mantra. By the way, your esteamed leader died yesterday. Maybe you neocons can come back into the fold now.

      • American Citizen

        Obama is not as smart as you think he is. He proves it every time he opens his mouth. The old saying is, “Keep your mouth shut and have people think you’re stupid, Open it and remove all doubt.”
        Why did he have his school records sealed? He’s nothing more than a figurehead for the Chicago political machine. He’s using their tactics.

        • eyeswideopen

          American, did you see Bush’s college records?? No, you didn’t. For God’s sake, just stop it. You are smart enough to know when you are asking things that make no sense. I know that as you have admitted that you enjoy your Medicare which is a government run program. So you see the hypocritical thoughts that this party is trying to envoke.

          • American Citizen

            I can’t wait until you are over 65 to see what you have to say then. I guess you want all of us “old people to dry up and blow away.” We supported those before us and the young are helping to support us now. When you are no longer working and don’t have that regular pay check to pay for your insurances, property taxes, and other basic needs, you will be glad you have that SS coming in every month even though it’s not enough to live on. For some who’ve never worked, such as housewives, it’s not enough. I know several who do sewing for people, take in laundry, have someone renting a spare room, etc. to get enough to make ends meet. Your rants against the previous administration are so old and boring. We are having to deal with the here and now and you don’t seem to have any problems with what is happening.

          • Smilee

            AC
            I’m so happy you are all for SS and Medicare for yourself and I agree they are great programs and I am on them too what I fail to understand why you are so against everyone else having these same type of programs to they do not have to suffer and many die because they can get no health care insurance, Harvard just released a study on those who die prematurely from not being able to get health care insurance and do not have the money to pay for it themselves is about 45,000 a year and not 20,000 as previously thought. If they had the medical benefits from the government that you enjoy they might live a full life. What would you do if you did not have Medicare, could you get insurance and if not could not could you afford to pay for it yourself or would you end up like the 45,000 who die each year before their time. That is what Obama is fighting for but whatever happens you will still have your Medicare. Some of us care deeply about our fellow man and are not so selfish to not be willing share in the cost of those proposed reforms

          • American Citizen

            Smilee, do you know how Obama plans to pay for it? He wants to raid Medicare and Medicaid. If those programs are already in trouble, what will happen to them? We will all have to go on his plan. All he and Congress need to do is fix what is really broken. Tort reform, portability, and true competition among the insurance companies. But they won’t touch them. Why? Money they get from the lawyers and companies to put in their pockets, of course. Do you really think his plan won’t cost us anything? Do you think people who are already struggling will be able to afford the premiums? Not every “old” person is on Medicare, either if they are “rich” and can afford their own health care. You know yourself Medicare is not free. How many years did you pay into SS? Probably all your working life as we did.

          • Smilee

            AC

            Why do you keep saying Obama is going to raid Medicare, he has never once said that in fact he has said just the opposite of that, Medicare will not change for you or I, NOONE is proposing that except the republicans are still supporting we pay the Advantage Plans the same as they passed in 2003, this will cost 14% more, they are not conservative anymore and that is why so many conservative today hate them and why the republican party is in such bad shape, You know in the last 8 years before Obama the republicans spent like drunken sailors, that was one thing but they borrowed to do it, no paygo for them, they even borrowed money so they could give their rich friends a large income tax. And your worried about Obama and even accusing him before he even sees the law, we are doing a lot of talking here about things that will never happen because no one is proposing so many things the people here say they are. A bunch of frustrated people who appear to be lost.

          • Smilee

            I paid into SS for 41.5 years and all years that Medicare has been here

  • Ron

    I read eyes and faces. I have observed and documented the meaning of them both for over 32 years. Study the face of this picture of the president. Do you see the meaning. Some body has questioned his autority. Some one called him out and questioned him. Dared to tell him the truth in front of the world. The president has paved his way to power that few will challenge, for fear of his wrath.

    Mr Wilsons time is near it’s end in politics, not because he wants to be. Obama and his army of power grabbers will make it happen. Of course, nobody will see obama pulling the strings.

    • Ron

      authority corrected

    • http://paragonservices.org Gloria Ross

      Well, when those pulling NOBAMA’S strings as the puppet he is, see danger signs, I am sure that they will see to it that the puppet exists no more – for anyone who thinks that he made it up the hill on his own power.

      • http://Yahoo Dee

        Oh Gloria – such a short memory.
        The only puppet we had was between 2000 and 2008. Cheney was the puppeteer and Jr danced accordingly.
        Obama is an educated man and no one has to pull any strings. He can also read and enunciate clearly. Anyone who has a minute amount of vision can see he speaks his own words and not reads from a promp like poor Jr was unable to do.
        I think Jr did learn a few lessons tho. It was obvious he was not willing to pardon Cheney’s friend Scooter Libby. Cheney lost control of his puppet and he did not like it.
        Jr spent the surplus Clinton left him and bankrupted the treasury.
        Jr shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history.
        Jr took the entire month of August off for vacation, he presided over the worst security failure in US history.
        In Jr’s 1st two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.
        Jr set the all time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
        Jr set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by any president in US history. Hey, he even says he was doing this rather than finishing his stint in the National Guard.
        Jr signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.
        Jr presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. But if he had done the right thing that would have hurt his Daddy’s and Tony Blairs profits from the refineries they run in Texas with cheap illegal workers.
        Jr was the 1st president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
        Jr rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
        The biggest lifetime contributor to Jr’s campaign was Kenneth Lay, the former CEO of Enron Corporation. After Cheney that is and do you wonder why Cheney was selected as Jr’s running mate for V. Pres.?
        This is just a few of 51 different reasons I lost all respect for the Rebublican party along with rendering my vote worthless in 2000.
        If in doubt about any of these statements check these websites:
        http://www.idaho.indymedia.org
        http://www.marxixt.com/usa.asp
        http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/bush
        http://www.ratherbiased.com/bush-w.html
        http://www.bushwatch.net/bushlies.htm
        http://www.bushnews.com/rantdec.htm
        http://www.star-telegram.com
        http://www.gainsvilletimes.com
        http://www.nytimes.com
        There are no real secrets that are kept from the voters if they care enough to investigate and are capable of accepting a truth when it smacks them in the kisser.
        PEACE ALL – I love America but don’t trust any politician who wants to become millionaires fast at the expense of any and all citizens.

    • John

      Rod, I totally agree. Obama will only take a stand against the citizenry of America. Interesting is that he has no balls to stand up to Russia, Iran, Venezuela or North Korea.

    • JeffH

      We have seen him roll with his success, and, now, watch him handle the adversity. He is waffleing like a drunk driver walking a straight line. The big question is? Can he convince the policeman(people) that he isn’t driving drunk.

      • JeffH

        FYI…I am talking about Obama

    • eyeswideopen

      His big mouth did it to himself. Obama, nor any of his “pals” made that poor idiot open his mouth and shout out during a joint sessionof Congress. Even Joe’s wife wanted to know who the nut was that yelled during the Pres. speech. Hey his own wife is embarrassed and couldn’t believe that he couldn’t restrain himself. I guess we were lucky we didn’t have a guest speaker, or he might have thrown shoes at him.

    • eyeswideopen

      Next time I need to know if I should hire someone, I’ll be sure to not read their resume, but call you and let you look into their face and eyes.. are you related to Bush? he made decisions based on his gut.

      • JeffH

        Elect “Gibbs” from NCIS…his gut is always right! lol!

  • April

    Joe Wilson may have been politically/socially incorrect but Obama and his cronies have been and still are Morally incorrect -liars, something that seems to becomming more and more socially acceptable. If it takes being politically/socially incorrect to make things morrally correct/right then that is what we need to do. RIGHT IS STILL RIGHT! AND IF IT TAKES BEING RUDE AND DISRESPECTFUL to the wrong doers TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT, then LET’S GET IT DONE. Thomas Jefferson quotes John Adams Motto: “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God”. We have to teach our children when it is necessary to turn the other cheek just long enough to pick up a good size 2 by 4 and discipline with true Christian tough love. This is when God will start blessing our Nation again b/c the unrighteous will be cut off from our American camp. It is soo time to stop listening to panty lace waisted passifist that think WE HAVE TO PLAY LIKE NICE CHILDREN NOW, because sometimes nice don’t cut it.

    • American Citizen

      We all need to remember that even Jesus picked up the whip when it was necessary to “drive the evil moneychangers out of the temple.” The temple is our country and it’s time to drive out the evildoers.

      • eyeswideopen

        I hate to be the one to tell you this, but this country is NOT RUN BY THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH… go back to your founding fathers and honor their wishes, and it sure wasn’t a government run by any, repeat any church.

        • David

          Ease up on the Church(es) Wow! Balance that life….

        • American Citizen

          Eyes, I now believe you are incapable of understanding nuances, metaphors, etc. I guess you’re one of those people you have to hit over the head with the truth in order for you to understand or comprehend. I’m sure most on here got my meaning.

          • eyeswideopen

            American, I am totally sure they did, but do you understand what you really said?? Don’t be dragging Jesus into this mess. Stand on your own two feet and accept responsbility for your words and actions. The idea that their aren’t any Christian Democrats is just mind blowing and shows the stupidity of the people on this site.

          • David

            Eyes, he was talking to you. He did not brand all dems.

  • Bill

    Hey Mike,

    Remember, very clearly, what you’ve said here and keep that fresh in your mind 3 years from now. Oh wait, you’re not gonna be able to say it. They’ll be no Bill of Rights should this (current administration) all continue. Then again, maybe you could just pose for the Photo Czar and call it a day and hope for tomorrow’s rations.

  • Jack Kinch(1uncle)

    Joe Wilson should have thrown a pair of cowboy boots at him. He is an arrogant one. All the dummasses eat it up, believing or not.

  • bill

    I agree with Burgi’s last sentence that “…there is no way with character to support lies which promise not only empty dreams, but will lead to our destruction as a nation. Give my liberty (not empty promises) or give me death.”

    I wonder if any of the politicians left or right have given us anything but empty dreams for the past 50 years…. I wonder if the health care industry especially the insurance companies have given us anything but empty dreams as we pour more and more money out of our pockets into their profits……

    Seems to me as if there is another approach to the problems we are facing rather than bashing each other over the head with lots of words.

    What can we do to address the problems this country is facing that allows for different perspectives, and finding solutions that serve us all?

    • Ron

      I believe Mr Wilson has done what was needed to make the country wake and look real hard at what is happening.

      • eyeswideopen

        ONLY THE REPUBLICANS COULD MAKE THIS INSOLENT MAN A HERO!!! may all of your children behave in the same way, showing disrespect is a wonderful trait. Oh, doesn’t the bible say to stone your children when they are disrespectful and don’t obey??? Hey why aren’t you practicing what the bible says?

        • El Chichon’

          To eyes completely closed,
          No, the bible does not say to stone your children. You should try reading it sometime. It says in Matthew 18, verses 4 through 6: Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
          Oh, and by the way, Christ is God. When Christ was physically on this earth, he was God in the flesh. So that means that this country was founded on the principles of Christianity. You want to go spouting off about the bible and you know nothing. If you are so up on the bible then remember what it says: In the latter days, those who profess themselves to be wise shall be made fools. So you should be very careful about how you pervert the living word of the most high God.
          I bet you are an atheist or at best an agnostic arent you. I think you are as lost as a goose in a snow storm. Your hero Osamabama is the evil seed and you worship it.

          • eyeswideopen

            EL Chichon, I do read it you idiot. Check Deuteronomy 21:18-21 oh here let me pull it up for you and make it easy! http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/children

          • El Chichon’

            To eyes completely closed,
            No, I don’t need you to show me what it says in Deuteronomy. That is in the Old Testament. When Christ (God in the flesh) came to this earth, things changed dramatically…It is known as the, “New Testament”, “NEW RULES”. You should learn the difference between the two. Deuteronomy was the old judgements and statutes of the Jews. Don’t get it mixed up and associate it with Christianity.
            Osamabama is the evil seed of satan who is the father of all lies. Thump, Thump, Thump, Thump….hear that, I’m thumping the bible and I’m clinging to my bible and my guns…FOREVER….

          • eyeswideopen

            El Chicon, oh I beg your pardon, the Republican Party has not sent out a memo, telling us to disregard the Old Testament. This is hilarious, to try and make your points, you will state that now all religions must only accept the New and revised Bible. You are truly a rt wing nut, neo con, who has now proven you are prejuice against the Christian churchs who preach from the Old Testament!!! I can’t wait to go to church tomorrow, I am printing your response and will be sharing your comments with the whole congreation. Could you please show me where in the New Testament, it says, please disregard the Old Testament and only follow this new one. Im’ sure everyone in my church is just dying to know where that information is!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            HEY ALL YOU CHRISTIANS, DID SOMEONE TELL YOU NOT TO OBEY , HONOR OR QUOTE THE OLD TESTAMENT?? DID THE REPUBLICANS SEND OUT A MEMO, TELLING US THAT WE SHOULD ONLY ABIDE BY THE NEW TESTAMENT?? HEY WHERE ARE ALL YOU CHRISTIANS??? DON’T YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO EL CHICHON???

  • C Lee

    I dont know boys and girls I must be confused but this all started over the Pres. being called a liar over the statement he made about ILEGALL Immagrants getting in on the new health care plan. Well Ive seen maney examples given that he lied. Either he did or he didnt. I say he did. All the other B.S. on these postings is just rederick. Its the same old same old. All I hear is the democrates did this the republacans did that. WHO GIVES A SHIT. The issue here is did he lie and if he did we need to make sure the Ilegalls are not covered under our health care. And if I hear one more dumbass say well they will just get the coverage on wellfare Ill just scream. This is a cause we have to fight together as americans not by politicle party lines stand up be an american and stop the insanity. I check the dictionary every day to see if the meaning of Illegal has changed. It has not so please exsplain to me why we are even having a conversation about a senator calling the president a liar. Because to my way of thinking if someone would get off there sorry asses and inforce our current laws the President wouldnt have to be lying about them being covered. Iam not a overly religous man just a dumb ass retired truck driver from Kentucky but I can see with all the corrupption and lunicy in our govt today we may need some divine intervention.

    • April

      You think being a dumb ass retired truck driver makes you less of a Christian? Your views are more Christian than a lot of panty waisted church goers I know. This is a Christian Nation founded on Christian pricipals. And you have a good point tho. Christianity is not just a religious point of view but a reality and way of life of our Country. And our way is standing and fighting together and enforcing the current laws. Thank you C Lee for your input.

      • eyeswideopen

        No, this nation was not founded on Christian ideas, It was under God, no where does it say ” under Jesus Christ”. You people have been brainwashed by the conservative rt wingers for so long you are actually beginning to try and change what our founding father did. You all need a bible lesson and a history lesson, and until then you should just shut the hell up.!!

        • ccg

          Sorry eyeswide open. For someone who has that as his name your eyes are definitely not open. You are wrong on almost everything you say. Neither are you a Republican like you claim. You are always telling everyone else to do his research, you need to do a lot of research for yourself. But, like a lot of liberals you don’t know what you are talking about.
          You call other people a liar, I have always found if someone calls someone uses that term they are the ones who are liars. Plus the sad thing is you don’t even know it.

          • eyeswideopen

            CCg, just what can you identify that has been wrong… what cause i dont agree with you mindless souls? Guess what, there actually are people who just don’t accept that trash put out there, some of us actually are mature enough and not lazy that we will check out issues. sorry i don’t conform to the rights idea of a quiet little republican housewife, I am able to think and analyze for myself, without any political party telling what to think, or how to act. I don’t need to have talking points.

          • JeffH

            MATURE? NOT!

          • eyeswideopen

            Yea, Jeff, I am just acting like the angry people on this site, I too can be stupid, and act like an insolent little child, who accepts everything that the “Man” gives me. I guess some of us repubs weren’t on the mailing list for the talking points. But I learn real quick, How many death panels do you think we will need. to get rid of all the old people in this country? Let’s turn over our care to only the Insurance companies, they can kill us off faster and without so much attention. I like the idea that before they do that, they’ll just take all our money first, brilliant idea. I’m thinking of buying grave sites, as they get about 14,000 per day dying… built in business, You know how us Repubs are, anything that makes us money, we are up for…

        • April

          You poor pitiful person- you keep on and on and on proving how your eyes are totally shut yet you chat and say nothing. You name call and try to correct but you have no knowlege.

          • eyeswideopen

            April, I know sweetie, and it is so apparent that you rank right up there with the genius’ who are running this party.. you know the group that was so smart, that we lost the election… let me know when you decide to run.

        • chuck b

          eyeswideshut

          its quite apparent you don’t know what you are saying,this country was founded by the christians, the founding fathers for the most part were all christians, that means they were followers of jesus christ. they did not pray on rugs and they ate pork. and don’t you shut up, your postings are to hilarious and ignorant. oh! by the way george bush is no longer president we now have a black muslim. you can stop counting the votes now.

          • Smilee

            chuck b

            EYES is right , it is you who do not know what you are talking about, If Christian principals were the driving force when the country was founded then why was it founded by rich white men and/or their representatives who created a country that only allowed rich white men to vote, women where their chattel property and blacks their slaves, it took women 120 years to get the right to vote, blacks 89 years to have their slave status made illegal and another hundred years before they were by law treated as equal human beings, the founders did not even include a bill of rights but public pressure soon changed that and then the congress and the states amended the constitution, they united to gain the power to protect their wealth from other countries and even fought over importation an slaves and who would get the tariffs and compromised with allowing slaves to be imported until 1808 then tariff would end. This behavior really sound like the work of Christians being in the majority. Few Muslims were around to give their input so we will never know what their impact would have been if they had been, now will we. Still sound like that was Christian principals, this is a big myth, through time slaves gained freedom, woman the right to vote as well as everyone 18 or older but none of our founders lived to see that. This today is a myth that the conservative far right propaganda mill keeps churning out and you have bought into it hook line and sinker. All this said they did create the greatest government known to man and over time and many obstacles later, we arrive at today and given more time we will survive the destructive forces of today’s conservatives and become a better country than we now have but thanks to your type, who only see doom and gloom it will slow that progress.
            A few years ago in one of his rare interviews that Billy Graham gave was with David Frost and David asked him about this nation being founded on Christianity and he said it was not and then added that our nation was not then and has never been and is not now a Christian nation.
            Are you saying Billy Graham is a liar too or maybe he knows nothing about Christianity, but if we say that we then would be liars to.

          • eyeswideopen

            Chuck, I’m putting the rumor out that you really are a Mormon and all the new people to this site, will start believing it, if I say it enough….. Get ready, you get to see how it feels, when someone lies and denies you your own religion… OH this is gonna be fun…

      • Smilee

        A few years ago in one of his rare interviews that Billy Graham gave was with David Frost and David asked him about this nation being founded on Christianity and he said it was not and then added that our nation was not then and has never been and is not now a christian nation.

        Are you saying Billy Graham is a liar too or maybe he knows nothing about Christianity, but if we say that we then would be liars to.

        • Smilee

          chuck b

          it is you who do not know what you are talking about, If Christian principals were the driving force when the country was founded then why was it founded by rich white men and/or their representatives who created a country that only allowed rich white men to vote, women where their chattel property and blacks their slaves, it took women 120 years to get the right to vote, blacks 89 years to have their slave status made illegal and another hundred years before they were by law treated as equal human beings, the founders did not even include a bill of rights but public pressure soon changed that and then the congress and the states amended the constitution, they united to gain the power to protect their wealth from other countries and even fought over importation an slaves and who would get the tariffs and compromised with allowing slaves to be imported until 1808 then tariff would end. This behavior really sound like the work of Christians being in the majority. Few Muslims were around to give their input so we will never know what their impact would have been if they had been, now will we. Still sound like that was Christian principals, this is a big myth, through time slaves gained freedom, woman the right to vote as well as everyone 18 or older but none of our founders lived to see that. This today is a myth that the conservative far right propaganda mill keeps churning out and you have bought into it hook line and sinker. All this said they did create the greatest government known to man and over time and many obstacles later, we arrive at today and given more time we will survive the destructive forces of today’s conservatives and become a better country than we now have but thanks to your type, who only see doom and gloom it will slow that progress.
          A few years ago in one of his rare interviews that Billy Graham gave was with David Frost and David asked him about this nation being founded on Christianity and he said it was not and then added that our nation was not then and has never been and is not now a Christian nation.
          Are you saying Billy Graham is a liar too or maybe he knows nothing about Christianity, but if we say that we then would be liars to.

          • chuck b

            smilee

            the founding fathers were christian and their belief influenced their writing of the declaration of ind. and the constitution. they believed jesus christ is god and when they referred to god that’s what they meant.
            as for the rich white men running the country, maybe you would have liked it better if they had been poor unionized workers.they wouldn’t have lasted past the first shipment of subsidized food. look at jamestown and see how well socialism works,

            as women and their right to vote look at the mess this country is getting into since they recieved that power, i say back to the kitchen.

          • eyeswideopen

            Chuck, so now in addition to blaming the Dem’s you are now BLAMING THE WOMEN, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE?? SEND THEM BACK TO THE KITCHEN??? YOU ARE A BIGOTED IDIOT, WHO I HOPE DOESN’T HAVE ANY DAUGHTERS AND IF YOU DO THEY NEED TO BE TAKEN AWAY.

          • Smilee

            Chuck

            well in this post you sure have proven to any thinking person just how ignorant you really are. your last paragraph proves you are an idiot too.

    • Todd

      You’re absolutely right C Lee. Illegal aliens are just that – illegal. The liberals say we can’t enforce our laws and send them back because there are so many – it would cost too much. Well, by that reasoning, there would be no repercussions for breaking the law if there are too many people to hold accountable. How stupid is that? Besides, I guarantee that the cost of shipping illegals out would pale in comparison to what we’re all having to pay for them being here.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Hey Todd – I believe it was your God Cheney and Republican Administration who wanted to make every illegal legal so they could tap into social security benefits after only ten credits instead of the 40 credits the blue collar worker had to earn to draw SS. Since he was not successful in privatizing it, by making all illegals eligible, that would bankrupt the whole program a Democrat President was so successful in creating for the working class supporters of this once great country.
        Do some home work folks and really know what you are ranting about.

        • eyeswideopen

          DEE D do you remember that Regan, granted amnesty to 2.7 million immigrants? Woh, where were these people then???

  • ONTIME

    Wilson and his remark was inappropriate because of the place in which he made it, the halls of freedom where law is made, although untimely it was succinct, pointed and factually correct, much of the uncredentialed Newly Selected’s speech was a lie, half truth, lacked fact and substance, Wilson was one for four. His apology to the guy behind the lectern was accepted, it was public and yet the halfassed libs could not leave well enough alone and now Wilson is raking in the dough and to a mjority of Americans this indicates calling a man a racist for no good reason will make his campaign funds increase. The libs should have just kept their yaps shut and swallowed hard..impossible.

    Libs love to tell you all about what they don’t know and then expect you to listen as though every one of their words was written in stone…..

  • Todd

    Another thing that bothers me is that if you disagree with this administration, they perceive you as a racist or bigot. They use this moniker to label anyone that opposes their views. Their ideas can’t stand up to rational debate, so they skip right over the facts and start name calling. A junior high debate team could teach them a few things. If the facts are against you, there is no debate – just lies or incoherent babbling.

    • JeffH

      The whole “racist” thing is used and promoted to keep division between us, the citizens. Racial division is certainly a way, for some, to garner support. It ain’t good for this country or it’s citizens. We, the people, need to keep it together and support our beliefs in the issues and not allow the media or the politicians to sway our thoughts with all of the “circus like side shows”.

      • JeffH

        I have come to the conclusion that it might be best to not even acknowledge those remarks, no matter how broad they might be, in the interest of these discussions. Everyone should put their “thick skin” on and just ignore the racist remarks. They are hateful and inevitably, someone walks away “hurt”.

        • eyeswideopen

          HAND CLAPPING OUT LOUD, VERY LOUD, FINALLY A VOICE OF REASON.

    • eyeswideopen

      Todd, are you telling me that we don’t call anybody who disagrees with us names???? you need to just read this site again…get a grip and just think about it every time you make a rude slanderous nasty comment. By the way, you have called me many nasty names, what moniker shall I claim?

    • eyeswideopen

      No one in the administration has called any of you racist. An Ex-President has called you all that, however, it is the Media, that is calling you out. Did Nancy call anyone a racist? Did Reid? Did any one on Obama’s staff? No, no, no. The media is questioning all the racist comments,the Dem’s are smarter than that, they won’t make that mistake. The only one to call you on your sh t. is the Ex Pres. Who because of his age, doesn’t give a crap about being politically correct and is calling them as he sees em. What is that saying about those with a guilty conscious are the first to speak out in anger and deny, deny, deny. Just go back and read this site. You call him: DICTATOR, MUSLIM, LIAR, SLEASIE, CORRUPT, RACIST, BIGOTTED, FOUL MOUTHED, dEVIL, SATAN, ANTI-CHRIST, COMMUNIST, FACIST, MARXIST, SOCIALIST, SUCKER, DUMB SH T, APE, MONKEY, IDIOT, LIBERAL COMMIE, HILTER, NAZI, I could keep going but this is really tiresome, and you guys all know your favorite pet name for our President. WELCOME TO AMERICA LAND OF THE REPUBLICANS.

  • Tom

    The biggest liar to hold public office?? GEORGE BUSH!!! The money spent on the war in Iraq could provide healthcare for every American for 10 years without raising a tax.. That whole war was based on a lie!! Just like all the lies being spread by Republicans about healthcare reform..How many more Americans have to die or lose everything they own because they got sick in America.. A country whose government has protected the interests of the special interests over the needs of hard working Americans.. Our healthcare system is a national disgrace!!!!!!!!!!

    • JeffH

      George wasn’t the first and Obama won’t be the last. Get real already!

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeff, don’t you find it interesting that the people on this site can attack Obama in a full out press, but if someone evens mentions Pres. Bush, they go crazy and deny everything. I really don’t remember that he was so perfect. I foresee violence from the radical right in the near future and no outsider will be able to understand how we have done this to ourselves. My european friends just can’t even believe this web site, I tried to tell them that this is only one of many, and they are dumbfounded, that we treat each other this way…but as you can see in my previous posts I am through with the kind logical way that I tried to relay the facts. Now I’m going to be just like the rest of those on this site who are hateful, racist, radical, hypocritial, name calling bigots. I give up, I will let my party eat itself from the inside, you can’t fight hate like this.

        • JeffH

          The lefty/Dems are just as bad or worse than the righty/Republicans. Anybody with the smallest brain knows that Americas biggest problems are caused by our ignorance. We elect people to do a job, and all they do is lie, cheat and steal fro us. Republicans and Democrats, both are equaly guilty. They get their money initialy from donations to their election cofers, but that creates a problem because the lobbyists get them donations from the rich and famous and corporate America. One good turn deserves another. After the elections, thay can’t keep all they promised on their platform because they now have to pay back the influential donors, through grants, funding and legislation or important appointments. I’ve said it before and I will say it again…POWER AND GREED!

          • JeffH

            You tend to blame it all on one party, I blame both parties and myself for being so stupid as to think the elected officals are all honest and have our best interests at heart. I finally woke up.

          • eyeswideopen

            Do you see the left/Dems calling someone names, unless they are attacked on this site? Jeff, go back and read and just many count how many people are protraying racist statements or are calling names.

          • JeffH

            sometimes you have to look past some of the comments and realize you’ve been shortchanged by them. What I see is a revolving door and most are walking through it. In other words, you can’t reason with the door. It ain’t just one side breakin the rules, it is both sides.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        You are right Jeff – But in all the 40 years that health care has been brought up – What party tried to do something about it and what party fought tooth and nail to bury it? Why shouldn’t all Americans be entitled to the same coverage we pay for our so called representatives to have in Washington?

        • JeffH

          If there ever will be National Health Care, I will not support it unless every American has the exact same coverage, no exceptions for the rich, poor and especialy the politicos that govern for us.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            Yea Jeff – A great big AMEN to that. Why should any citizen be considered second class for all the sweat, labor and work they put in for this nation?

          • JeffH

            And yes Dee D, we can agree at times.

          • Smilee

            Medicare didthat until Bush signed the bill that gave us the Medicare Advantage Plans that don’t and really disadvantage seniors at a cost of 14% highter cost than regular Medicare that is the same for all on it, And Obama also said that all should have the same plan options as the federal employees have and that includes his plan, he is not against that. It is the private plans today that have such bad coverages, deny coverages for preexisting conditions or drop coverages if you get sick. Medicare and the plans congress has do not allow this and do it for less money without the risks of the private sector plans today. Obama is fighting for this and you say you are for this but also say you are against Obama but it must not then be because of what he is fighting for as you now say you want the same. I do not think most of the time here you know what you are talking about.

    • Sonny

      TOM,
      IF YOU KEEP YOUR OPINION TO YOURSELF , NO ONE WILL KNOW HOW UN-PATRIOTIC YOU ARE AND STUPID ALONG WITH IT.

      I SUPPOSE YOU ARE ONE OF THE ONES THAT SAYS OUR GREAT ‘ PRESIDENT BUSH’ PARTICIPATED IN 9-11? WOULD YOU RATHER THEY HAD THEIR WAR OVER HERE IN AMERICA?

      I HAD A GRANDSON DO 3 TOURS AND HE SAID HE WOULD DO ANOTHER IF NECESSARY,THE PEOPLE OVER THERE WERE SO GRATEFUL FOR WHAT AMERICA WAS DOING FOR THEM.

      SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Sonny 9/11 was a war on America and why did the Bush Administration not fulfill their promise and get the one who financed it? May I ask if anyone knows why bin ladens family members were in America and flown out on Government planes on 9/12 in the early morning hours? Who were they here visiting and for what purpose? Why did they leave Afghanistan before the promise was completed and go into Iraq starting an illegal war based on lies.

      • eyeswideopen

        Sonny, Sonny, Sonny, didn’t anybody tell you that it has been proven that Iraq didn’t have WMD’s???? Oh you poor soul, you didn’t know that we attacked a country that didn’t have anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. Bush and Cheney made a huge mistake, when they went by Pres. Bush’s gut feeling and attacked the wrong country. I am so sorry that no one told you…

    • JoAnne Johnson

      Tom, thank you so much, all that you said is truth. This site surely tells the story of America. Although desent is constructive, name calling is counterproductive. It is not just republicans but also democrats that are to blame for the sorry state of this country we all love. The solution, don’t vote for anyone in the next election. After all, all politicians get paid by us. What they don’t get paid through our taxes they take through pork and special intersts. Stop their paychecks and see how they handle unemployment, healthcare costs, utility bills, haircuts, limos and in the case of Pelosi, air travel, extended vacations, etc., etc. I say give the money wasted on AIG, etc. to the people. If we were given substantial bail-out money we would have been able to afford our own health care, mortgages, autos, and better have stimulated the economy than any political party in power now and in the past. The best thing that could happen to the American citizen is to start being civil to each other and kick out all those who subvert our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

  • gaetano

    OBAMA HAS PROVEN TO THE WORLD THAT HE IS A LIAR.He is actually starting to believe his own lies.I would have liked to see the only republican party stand up and call him a LIER.

  • http://personallibertydigest.com Kenneth Miller

    People in glass houses, shouldnt throw stones……The “LIE” of the decade was said by the last president in the White House BEFORE President Obama……Not Mr Obama…..President Obama….That “LIE” was WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION….that LIE…..has this country in a war that has lasted too long and too many people have died in this country AND in IRAQ, and so far we hoavent found a FIRECRACKER!!!
    I dont care, who’s lying or if it was a mistake…..thats NOT the issue….the issue is…..that should NOT have happened on the floor of the Congress with the entire country watching…it was BLATANT DISRESPECT to the office of the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND FOR THAT JOE WILSON SHOULD GET HIS ASS KICKED !!!!!!!!

    • Ron

      I have all the respect anyone could have for the position of President of the United States. No person should assume that respect unless they earn it. This person has yet to earn it. Being elected doesn’t mean you earned it. It means you now are in the position to earn it.

      • eyeswideopen

        Ron, the joke is on you. He won, he gets to rule… you are screwed and that’s just too damn bad,. To the winner goes the spoils. The repubs ruled when they won, so now it’s the dems turn. Too bad for you. NOT!!!

        • JeffH

          HA HA HA! We won you lose! LOL!

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, please tell me you read what April said. Since you are one of the sane people, please explain to her nicer than I did, that we know she is lying, or believing someone who is lying to her.

          • El Chichon’

            What did you win? Being ruled by a tyrant? Win the loss of your basic freedoms? Win the loss of your money? Win the loss of your choice of doctors? How can you gloat over the erosion of America? Are you a Communist? See you in the ration lines if there is anything left. Maybe a bowl of watery soup with some stuff that might be rice, or then again, it might be maggots. You don’t realize what you have lost is your problem.

          • JeffH

            eyeswideopen…The liars are all of the politicians, they get paid by us! The bloggers don’t get to be included as liars because they already pay the liars to lie, which means that if you pay taxes which pay the liars, then you can lie, but it doesn’t count because you didn’t get paid to lie! Simple…AFLAC!

      • eyeswideopen

        Ron, what have you done to earn his respect? Im sure if he read your posts he would just smile and walk away, recongizing that you are not even worth his time to debate you.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Ron – Did you learn nothing in 2000? Your vote did not count because the courts done the job for you and installed a poor joker who I doubt has the ability to clean himself after a trip to the potty. The beautiful brain mama made poor Jr what he was and she needs to be taken to the wood shed and throttled for the poor job she done.

    • April

      Kenneth Miller the joke is on you. You can’t see that you are the one in the glass house? You have no facts. I know personally some who actually saw those weapons of mass destruction and where the enemy was storing them. And it was more than they could stand b/c the media would not cover it. Of course you do not care who is a liar and who or what is not. Your views and values are so warped and out of whack, it isn’t Joe Wilson who needs and ass kicking.

      • eyeswideopen

        April, you are a liar… if Bush had someone who saw that, he would be jumping up and down as he would be justified for this stupid war. There isn’t a sane person on this site who believes the crap that just came out of your mouth. You now get to join the club of Grassley, Boehner, Vitter, wILSON, cHENEY, bUSH, the list goes on and on and grows on a daily basis. You are proof of that!!!

        • April

          WOW! You show your true colors. My sources have way more knowlege and integity than you could ever comprehend. I did not lie and I know my sources would not lie. They were there, boots on ground-HEROS- you did not see what they saw, nor could you stomache it, b/c then you would not be saying the things you say.

          • American Citizen

            April, you are not lying and President Bush did not lie either about the WMD. Hussein did have it, they found the places he had stored it. By the time we went in, it had gone by the truckload to Pakistan. You’re right that our soldiers saw a lot and found a lot that has never been reported in the media. I, too, have someone who was there and got first hand reports. The media could not give Pres. Bush any credit as it is liberal. Even the CNN reporters were lying as it was later found they never left their hotel.

          • eyeswideopen

            April, use some common sense, if Bush could prove they were there, he would be a HERO!! You are telling me your friend and all his friends, nobody had a camera??? Get Real, You are in serious need of medical help, oh that’s right, do you have a million dollars? ;NO? then you cant have any medical help… you just have to keep living your nightmare… Oh, I am printing,this, my local paper will have a heyday with this kind of crazy crap.

          • eyeswideopen

            April, if you have information, take it to the newspapers, or your favorite news station, Faux news, they will be happy to try and Make Bush a hero. If I don’t see it on the news, it will confirm, that you and your friends are full of crap.

          • Paul

            What are you blind even though your eyes are suposedly open? It’s all over the net. She is telling the truth and has nothing to prove to you. How stupid are you?

          • Judy

            EYES WIDE SHUT,
            Are you checking your eyelids for holes? Try opening them, and take a look at what you’re typing.

        • JeffH

          Do not forget to include the mighty Obama Administration on your list.
          A lot of liars there too! Aren’t most politicians liars? Ya think!

          • JeffH

            And I forgot ole “Slick Willie – I did not inhale or have intercourse with that woman”. Despicable or something like that. Little Jimmie Carter lied the other day! But that was just his opiion.

          • http://Yahoo Dee D

            American Citizen – Who provided all the weapons to Hussein in the first place? Was Hussein tried and executed before a whole story could come out – could that be one reason lies were manufactured as why America went into Iraq in the first place? Saying Jr did not lie is a cop out. In his first year of office he had more days vacation than any other President in the history of the US. He was really on vacation because Cheney and the Republican Administration could do as they please and still blame Bubba for the whole mess.

      • Michael J.

        April, I beleive you. If the returning heros that you know told you this, I beleive you. I too have read and seen evidence that during the course of the war when it was reported that chemicals were found that resembled pesticides that those chemicals were indeed WMD. After all, what WMD are is pesticide for humans. I also remember reports leading up to the war that spoke of Russian convoys making their way through the desert that were captured on satelite imagry. Later on there was reports that the WMD destination was the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon where again as per satelite imagry, they were buried and encased in concrete, in a pit 700 feet deep. Our Government still posesses these damming videos. As for why these facts were not made public knowledge one can only speculate.
        My guess is that the Bush administration concluded that this was a good place for them. That if these facts were known that the United States would become responsible for their proper disposal. This in itself would become a logistic and ecological nightmare. How could you transport it? Where could you store it? How would you nuetralize it, not to mention the cost of such an endeavor. There were also other considerations such as where did it come from? What were it’s countries of origin? This is the one question we do have answers for. The WMD were from Russia, China and France respectively. What deals were struck to keep these deeds secret we will probably never know. I do highly suspect that Bush and most senior member of the Senate were all privy to this information and were sworn to secrecy. These same Senators used the “Where’s the WMD” rant daily to whack Bush over the head with because they new he would be unable to defend against such an acusation as a result of his vow of secrecy.
        A sure bet is that the burial site is constantly monitored by ground and satelite surveilance and if any atempt is made to exume these weapons we would once again hear about them.
        So, in conclusion I will say that you are not alone April. Many people beleive as you do that there were and are Weapons of Mass Destruction hidden in the desert.

    • Todd

      The “lie” you accuse our former President of is totally unfounded. He was given information by our intelligence sources. Apparently, there was enough evidence of the existence of these weapons that the joint cheifs, Every branch of our military, the CIA, and the vast majority of Congress agreed that we should act? How is accepting the recommendations of the branches of government responsible for this type of intelligence a lie? If he was told the weapons were’nt there and he said they were – now that would be a lie. But that’s not how it happened is it? There is a difference between passing along information that you thought was true, and lying. There is a documented list of nearly 200 lies that Obama has told since he began running for office. Furthermore, it has been proven that he knew the truth when he told them. They are also 100% provable and on public record. I’m not talking about the birth certificate stuff which I think is rediculous – (of course he is a US citizen). Perhaps you would be interested in reviewing the list?

      • s c

        Earth to Todd . . . Come in, Todd. The topic is health care and how comrade obama lied about it. What the sparkling farkleberry does ‘intelligence info’ have to do with health care?
        Earth to Todd . . . your signal is very weak. Repeat. Explain.
        Do some more reading. Understand the topic. Earth, over and out.

        • Todd

          I was responding to Kenneth Miller’s comments which stated nothing about healthcare. If you had been paying attention, you would have known this. Yes the original topic is Obama’s lying about healthcare, but if the debate leads in a different direction, who are you to say it can’t be pursued? I can see from your previous comments that we are on the same side of the table. Allow me the latitude to set the record straight for another misguided soul…

          • Smilee

            It was all manufactured evidence by the CIA that has been made obvious now, Cheney insisted on the false intelligence, they gave it to him and the president they knew when it was given it was a lie and flawed, I believe Bush even knew it too. How many have died from Bushes lies, if Obama lied and I do not believe he did and none of you here have presented evidence to prove that but if he did his lies caused no one to die, but if his health care fails a new study at Harvard says the real deaths from lack of health insurance is 45,000 per year and not 20,000 per year as previously thought, I guess lying or otherwise this would be prevented if he succeeds in his efforts

      • eyeswideopen

        Todd, you need to hop on this internet and do some serious research. Reading the 9/11 report would give you a little more insight. No, wait you can just wait untill the Justice department finishes investigating Bush and Cheney and the cohorts who hijacked this country and turned us into torture loving freaks.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        Todd – Our former President wasen’t in the white house long enough to read anything or be told any truths even if he was capable of reading or understanding anything constructive at any given time.

        • Thurman Marcum

          DeeD

          How could he read anything?He spent most of his time on vacation.If he look long and hard enough,he would have found the weapons of mass destruction;Dick Cheney.Dick shot one of his fellow hunters,case solved.

  • http://personallibertydigest Bill Reed III

    The Liar in Chief loves to rag on about how private health insurance premiums have increased but he never mentions increases in medicare costs. Those premiums have gone up 65% in the past five years.

    Aside from running up the debt, I can’t think of anything else the government is successful at running.

    As this student of Saul Alinsky continues to work for the destruction of our republic with his socialist agenda I can’t help but recall the words of Norman Thomas.

    “The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
    the name of ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”

    As this pseudo president and his flunkies accelerate their efforts to destroy our nation, the resentment and resolve of the majority of the American people to thwart this juggernaut strengthens.

    He will fail and the country will be better off for it, but we will pay dearly for years to come for his insane policies.

    • B. Harris

      Thank you Bill for your reply. I agree with all you said. We are in a scary time for our nation. I pray that people will wake-up and realize what is happening.
      It was rude. But I also appreciated someone in the body of Congress having the courage to speak up and let the world know Obama was lying.
      The HC bill that was passed in committee of the House and would have been signed by the President did state that legal and illegal imigrants would receive coverage, along with foreign workers or visitors.

      • Smilee

        I guess you did not read the house bills they all required that a part of the proposed law be that it be illegal for non citizens not legally in the country to receive gov. insurance or subsidies from the government. I read it and you sir mistake what it says, even the republicans backed off on that and what they said he lied about was that their was no enforcement mechanism in the bill and isn’t interesting that Obama never mentioned it one way or another in his speech and now they say that is why Joe called him a liar not because it would be against the law, so now Joe agrees with Obama . UNBELIEVABLE NONSENSE

    • Smilee

      Hey Hey, Bill Boy

      I’m on Medicare and the last five years the premiums went up about 8%, I know I paid these premium. It sounds like you are even a bigger liar than what you call the Liar and Chief, make you feel like a big man, 65% WOW how radical can you get, your posts reeks of a man overfilled with hate who yells before he thinks, well maybe that’s beyond your abilities. Oh and for you info they did not go up at all in 2009 isn’t that the only year Obama has been president. You are so foolish.

      • American Citizen

        Smilee, you say you’re on SS and Medicare. If what happened in them for you was like it was for us, most of our SS raises went to pay for the rise in the Part B premium. There was just a little left to pay for all the rise in the COL. We had to take some from our investment to cover them. We don’t live lavishly, go out to dinner once a week is about all our entertainment except for the boob tube and books we get from the local library. Almost a third of what we get from SS goes to pay for insurance premiums. Then there’s still the co-pays on the drugs. And you know any changes in SS or Medicare take place in January and were made in the previous year. Obama has done nothing yet for either one of them. If he has, we’ll know it next year.

        • Smilee

          AC

          SS pays the bills but little else, if it was not for my Company Pension which is almost as much as SS it would be tight for me too, if had not been for our Union we would have lost that but we beat the company in that fight and were able to keep it, most of our non union friends in the company lost their pension as many companies have done so now many qualify for government help including Medicare and Medicaid both and also subsidy to pay for prescriptions and Part D premiums, our corporations used to care about their employees today they do not, Unions where they exist most of the time prevent this.

    • eyeswideopen

      Bill Reed, dude the Republican leadership acknowledged that the premiums went up 131% in ten years and the salaries only went up 38%. Get in the game. Read and learn, shut off Fox, pick up a paper.

  • http://sbcglobal.net Arthur Temp

    Everyone makes mistakes,It was a BIG mistake.But he did apologize, our President accepted it.We have bigger fist to fry,MOVE ON.I myself have said a lot about Obama that I could not repeat.While I am at it,What happens to the older people in that we will not get a Cost Of Living increase in our S.S.Why is there no one talking about that>HAY OBAMA BAIL US OUT.

    • Ron

      Hey Aurther, my mother is in the same boat so I feel your pain. Any social security bumps will not happen due to being busy bailing out unresponsible business, so the people that have earned it, won’t get it and the business that hasn’t earned it will.

      • eyeswideopen

        Ron, Since Dave isn’t here let me do his normal YOU ARE TAKING OTHER PEOPLES HARD EARNED MONEY. Has this person already collected the whole amount they paid in? If so why should we take care of you? Why should you get any of my money? Don’t you know that SS is a socialist program, that pays out more than the people originally paid in!! How is that fair? Less government, quit taking my money…. hope I got most of it right. If not, he will let me know. lol

      • Smilee

        Existing law controls SS and to date Obama’s fingerprints are not on this issue in any form, you lack a lot of knowledge about SS laws

    • JeffH

      Just a thought…If the economy is on the rise, home sales are moving, Americans are starting back to work…why are there no COL for SS in 2010. What they don’t tell you is that instead of 500,000 job losses, there are only 220,000. In government, that is a positive and should be reported as one. Home sales? Foreclosures are still huge but when a $400,000 foreclosure sells for $130,000 that qualifies the sale as a positive. Someone has lost $1.5 mil on a $500,000 investments, but now they have recovered $300,000 back in their portfolio and that is a sure sign the economy is on it’s way back. I, though I won’t recieve a COL on my SS, would like the media and government to JUST tell it like it is and not sugar coat and decieve the public.

      • American Citizen

        No, we’re not going to get a SS raise in January, but we’re also not going to get a raise on our Part B premiums. It’s a trade-off, basically the status quo.

        • JeffH

          …And I have no problem with that…

      • American Citizen

        How many of those 550,000 are back to work? People are still being laid off by the thousands every week. Even Eli Lilly, a great employer in Indianapolis is having a layoff. Whirlpool is leaving for Mexico. Our biggest local employer here is laying off. The recession is not over yet. Prices are going up. We’re inching into inflation.

    • eyeswideopen

      Arthur, you need to ask DaveH why you aren’t getting more money. He will be glad to tell you why.

  • Elaine

    The only ones mr O is going to bailout are the special intrest groups, Acorn, unions, and all the rest of the elites around the world oh Yes I said around the world ..no “We The People ” will not be bailed out.

  • Bruce

    I noticed something in the blog/post… that when Obama spoke and the majority of folks liked what he said… everyone did stand up and applaud for him… How is that any different than hearing the only bold person state that he lied?? (the opposing viewpoint of applause)…
    Is it ok in parlimentary procedure to stop the meeting, jump out of your seat and praise the current speaker? Aren’t they all out of order?

    And, for my second thought… it just hit me… out of the blue… I am not racist, but might be considered one for my next comment… so try to understand the argument, not the speech… What if…? Just what if??… Barak is the one who is racist… in a very big way… What if he is using his presidency to bankrupt the middle class and try to give it to african americans in the lower classes by taxing the crap out of us until we are the minorty, and have to work for those who we may have oppressed, or our fathers or grandfathers have…?

    Seniors are going bankrupt due to medicare and social security benefits running out so anyone over 65 is not a threat… He REALLY wants to take a major chunk out of the Rich Folks in our country… so what is left?

    It is scary to think think of what could be done if we simply let Obama do whatever he wants.

    Personally, I want a president who will truly clean up washington… make every bill stand on its own 2 feet… and not be added as pork to other legislation. Make every issue that pops up and gets revised be voted in based on how it is going to affect the culture and finance of its actual purpose…

    Let’s make abortion its own issue and vote 100% on abortion, what it is, how it is defined legally, and whether or not it has a place in society… and not have any loopholes on who can move funding around behind our backs, or say that budget comes from somewhere else… Who knows… the way politicians work, it could be funded from our homeland security money for all we know… taking away better weapons for our folks fighting overseas for our freedoms.

    It is almost comical how much time the press is giving obama… all the face time with america. I think the only reason they do it now is to have more chances to find controversy, and get their ratings higher. What a scam.

    What really makes me sick, is that Obama, whether he does well or not as a president is probably a billion dollar franchise from all the books he will ‘write’ (dictate), pins and buttons and bumper stickers he will sell, etc.

    He has the rock star status, but he never wrote a tune of his own…. he just sings the jingles of popularity for our time. It is like Milli Vanilli… lip synching everything to a teleprompter… UGH!

    Ridiculous… it is all I can say about or government…

    and sad : (

    • DaveH

      Bruce,
      You are brave to speak your mind honestly. Brace yourself for the zombies.
      I don’t think Obama is any more a racist than most people (no less either), but, contrary to his campaign speeches, he is hard-left. It just happens that many or most blacks are left-leaning too. You can’t blame them; the Liberals have been convincing them for decades that they can’t succeed without government help. Of course that isn’t true and many blacks have done well through hard work and sacrifice. Those are the ones I feel sorry for. They must take crap from both sides, especially now that the Liberals have created such a racially charged political environment with their constant mantra of ‘racist!’ for anyone who dares to disagree.

    • eyeswideopen

      Bruce, guess what ?? it has just come out that Bush didn’t and still doesn’t like the conservative rt of the Republican party. Can you believe that??

    • El Chichon’

      To Bruce,
      I think you are absolutely right. Osamabama is an extreme racist and does want to destroy this nation in retaliation for the distant past and for everything this nation has ever stood for. He hates America!! He is against all that is right.
      The only way to stop this evil seed is to clean the slate in the mid-term elections, left right and center, and elect extreme conservatives. It is the only way to put a screeching halt to all of the atrocities that are being committed by the liberals. Osamabama’s agenda must be completely shut down immediately. We just have to start convincing people to turn their thoughts around and open their eyes before they step off of the cliff and into the abyss. He is a total liar.

  • DaveH

    Here’s what Obama’s own campaign Web site said about Obama and ACORN’s relationship:
    When Obama met with ACORN leaders in November 2008, he reminded them of his history with ACORN and his beginnings in Illinois as a Project Vote organizer, a nonprofit focused on voter rights and education. Senator Obama said, “I come out of a grass-roots organizing background. That’s what I did for three and half years before I went to law school. That’s the reason I moved to Chicago was to organize. So this is something that I know personally, the work you do, the importance of it. I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”

    • JeffH

      ACORN has become A can of CORN. Thanks to the “Pimp and the Prostitute” and FOX. The proof is now in the pudding, ACORN is finished and there is no avenue for a lawsuit. Big “Bertha” cannot defend ACORN. I bet McDonalds keeps an eye on their franchises.

    • eyeswideopen

      Hey dave, acorn was funded by the repubs, everyone of them voted to fund acorn a million a year from 2001 to 2008. How are you going to justify that?

      • JeffH

        My question is: Do you believe ACORN should lose their “tax exempt” status and all “taxpayer” funding from the government?

        • eyeswideopen

          Yes, hell yes, and I have been saying that for 7 friggin years. But this party doesn’t listen, we just kept passing money to them and bitching about it. We have no one to blame but ourselves. The reason they got the money, was that some private lenders put pressure on Bush, thinking they would be able to get the business, not realizing that the rules, forbid that. But us stupid repubs just kept giving them money. We truly are idiots.

          • JeffH

            violin music softly playing…lol

          • JeffH

            I am prtty sure there was some Democratic support for ACORN too.

      • chuck b

        eyesshut

        the republicans didn’t know obama was affiliated with acorn.
        “us republicans” are easily taken in.

        • eyeswideopen

          Chuck first honest thing you have said… poor babies, the whole world is out to get you… and you can’t read and just sign anything those mean old Dem’s put in front of us.

        • American Citizen

          If anybody, politicians included, didn’t know Obama was affiliated with ACORN, they had to be sleeping all during the campaign. It was brought out by the “talking heads” on conservative news sites, radio and TV. If I knew it, why didn’t they?

  • Haywood

    “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” – Winston Churchill

  • John

    Amazing upset over calling Obama bin Liar’s cronies, cronies. But yet they called ordinary American citizens mobsters and Nazis. Typical Liberal double-standard.

  • gary

    to beberoni: read this please…..”conservatives are fond of claiming that the Rich people pay more taxes. actually they dont. the conservatives only use income tax as a basis for this thought. the bureau of labor stats count all taxes….income, excise, sales, property, and payroll. the majority of americans pay more in payroll tax than they do in income tax”….

    “the big winners in our cash and carry system of government are corporate special interests. public campaign reports that for a mere
    $489 million in political campaign contributions, from 1989 until the present, the managed health care and health insurance companies got protection from lawsuits by patients who have been denied medical care, defeat of proposed laws that would make it easier for patients to choose their own doctors and to get emergency room visits reimbursed. we pay with over 41 million americans lacking health insurance. billions in wasted premiums spent on advertising, duplicative paperwork and insurance company bureaucracies, including multi-million dollar salaries for executives and with unnecessary death and suffering when hmo’s over ride doctors.” “the health care cirsis is now a middle class phenomenon. the entire health care system is being robbed blind by hospital chains, hmo’s, insurance companies and drug companies. in research for the foundation for taxpayer and consumer rights it was reported in the l.a. tiimes that the cost of health care increased 250% more than the rate of medical inflation.” “what the HMO’S want the public to forget is that 12% to 55% of every premium dollar they collect is eaten by their increasing
    profits and overhead. who is responsible for runaway costs if not the companies charging them? analysts say that less of the premium dollar is going to patient care than ever before because of added levels of administration and profiteering. in addition to the HMO’S there arer large physician-run medical groups, hospital chains with the power to demand higher profits and profit-hungry Pharmaceutical markets and managers.”….Pacific Healthcare reported in their 4th quarter a $57 million dollar profit…..Wellpoint, the parent of Blue Cross said their profits were up 64%…..HMO stocks were up 25%….and the S and P stocks lost 21%…..one of G.W.’s ideas for health care got great applause when he was in office. G.W. stated that “no seniors in america should have to choose between buying food and buying perscriptions”. under the G.W. plan, a widow living on $15,000 a year would get NO help until she spent $6,000 for perscription drugs. HUH! the major thing that is wrong with obama’s plan is that it is run by the government. they had fannie mae and fannie mac and they both failed. now they want to run a car company, heaven help GM and CHRYSLER and now they (the government) want to provide you with health care. I say no thanks, i will take my chances.
    GREG….you sound bitter for some reason. one of these days (god willing) you will be a senior and then lets see how you feel when the government says, sorry Greg, your a senior now and to help health care out we are going to let you die…one less person to take of.
    i dont know about you but i am perfectly capable of deciding when and if im ready to go. of course i have no control over that, but i am capable.

    • American Citizen

      It’s time to stop hammering the “rich”. It’s the rich that put their money at risk to start up a business that employs people. It’s the rich who buy the expensive goods such as houses, boats, cars, jewelry, etc. for which they pay beaucoup sales taxes. Without the rich, the government coffers would basically be empty.
      People also down profits, but if a business does not make a profit, it will go under as it will not have the money to stay in business. As one person said on a radio call in program, “no profits, no taxes.”

      • Smilee

        Boy have they got you fooled, they have lobbied almost all risk out of everything, this also in health care insurance companies they are allowed to deny or dump anyone from coverage if they become a risk to their profits and CEO wages, remember when they earned it the old fashioned way and did actually have to take risks, now they make it the easy way through what I call legal theft.

  • James Corbin

    I would like to make a correction! Bush didn’t go to war by himself!
    Obama has put us in debt more than all the presidents together!!! YES, and I am a democrat!!!

    • eyeswideopen

      James you can’t add. No wonder the Repubs think you dems are nuts, what are you using the same math that us repubs used when we were in office??

    • JeffH

      SEE! There are Democrats that don’t support Obama. lol

      • Smilee

        He is not a democrat but one of them radical RINO’s in disguise, real democrats know better than this

        • JeffH

          …and the beat goes on, and the beat goes on…

        • American Citizen

          You’re in denial, Smilee.

  • James Corbin

    Todd—-You said it all very well!!!!

  • Annemarie Dallago

    Joe Wilson should have been taken out by security that night he’s a disgrace !! Bush left us in debt not Obama.Obama was left with a mess to fix and hes doing a great job !!

    • http://personallibertydigest Bill Reed III

      Bush didn’t leave a debt by himself. His last two years were spent with a tax and spend leftist democrat congress.
      Only congress can spend and with the Obamtron in office with a democrat congress he has managed to quadruple the debt “left” to him.

      You need to learn a little bit about how are government functions before you get your panties in a wad over who’s wasting the taxpayers money.

      As for Joe Wilson, he only reacted in frustration to the lies constantly emanating from the mouth of Obama.

      Every conservative should have got up and walked out of the chamber when Obama cast the first stone by accusing all of lying who are
      opposed to his crazy ideas.

      • eyeswideopen

        Bill, will there ever be a repub that will take responsiblity for what the repubs did while in office? Automatically you try to blame the other party…pull your panties up and act like a grown up.

        • American Citizen

          Eyes, talk about hatred, all I see from your posts is hatred for the past administration. The past is the past, we are having to deal with the present. Get with the program.

          • JeffH

            Too many times to count!

          • chuck b

            amer citizen

            eyes doesn’t know bush is no longer president, she is still counting the votes in florida.

          • eyeswideopen

            No, American , it is not hate, it is discust. We walked around like zombies, letting our leaders lie to us on every issue. We didn’t care about fiscal responsibility, we didn’t even care about our own party. We were truly out to lunch, and now we have the nerve to be mad that we lost power. It looks like a majority of America woke up and didn’t like how we had run this country. and now instead of coming up with ideas to fix things we are acting like insolent children calling people names and not putting forth the effort to right our wrongs.
            No, I used to love this party, untill tonight.

          • JeffH

            eyes…I think you lost that love long before tonight. They only did what the “majority” let them do. But at least you can find an alternative party that might not let you down.

          • eyeswideopen
          • eyeswideopen

            American all I see from you is hatred for this admin.

      • Smilee

        Silly boy, the senate had a one vote majority and the republicans through the filibuster blocked all democratic attempts thus their agenda was never passed. That congress saw the republicans set a record in successful filibusters thus all 8 years if the Bush presidency was in effect controlled by republicans and the rest of your post is pure baloney as well and so idiotic that I will pass on commenting on it

        • eyeswideopen

          Smilee The Repubs got a law passed called reconcilation, they used it ram through the bills they wanted to, without Dem consent, now it maybe used against them, the wheels of justice turn, slowly but they do turn.

    • El Chichon’

      Think about it. The crat rats were in charge in congress the last two years of the Bush administration. You didn’t hear about any financial problems until the crat rats took over congress. Barney Frank and Christofer Dodd are responsible for kicking the stilts out from under freddie mack and fannie mae which started the dominoe effect from the housing market to the bail outs. No, they didn’t inherit any recession from Bush. They manufactured the fall of the economy in order to get Osamabama elected. Now you are about to see everything mysteriously get better overnight so Osamabama will look like the savior. They are all going to be saying,”look what I did”, just before the mid-term elections and before the 2012 presidential elections. I hope the American people are not that naive and stupid. This nation has been duped. Osamabama is not an American born citizen. I don’t care what anyone says about it. He should not be our president in the first place. You are being robbed of all that you have worked for your entire life and of your basic freedom.
      Osamabama is the evil seed and a liar.

      • Smilee

        You are so full of it, see my response above your post and maybe you will understand everything better

    • JeffH

      Toss the rope over the oak tree branch and lynch the “commie basterd”.
      That seems to be the general mentality here. All he did was break a rule of decorum! You’d think the guy committed treason or was a serial killer! Think about it a minute.

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeff, I’m more upset that he lied about being an immigration lawyer more than fact that he is an idiot. Lying should not be tolerated agree????????????????????? I thought that was one of your pet pevees?

        • JeffH

          Please….Do you think for one minute that the prez hasn’t lied to you,me or the American people. He doesn’t have a real plan on health care, he’s shootin’ from the hip.

          Wilson is getting way more than he bargained for. Immigration lawyer? I don’t think so, and he will pay for that also.

          Nancy Pelosi is the biggest hypocrit in Washington and her comments were far worse than what Joe Wilson said. But no, Ms. Smarty Pants can get away with anything because she is on the right(left) side. What is fair is fair! Pelosi should be forced to resign before Joe Wilson.

  • American Citizen

    The more I read these posts, the more I realize who the “youngsters” are. They don’t seem to know the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. They seem to think the Federal Government is supposed to give them all their wants much less their needs. Our forefathers have to be shaking their heads in disbelief at what is taking place in this country right now. These “youngsters” only live in the now and don’t seem to understand that if you don’t study history and learn from it, you are bound to repeat it, especially the mistakes.

    • April

      AMEN!! Thankyou, You are a true American Citizen! God Bless You!

    • eyeswideopen

      AMERICAN,

      Hands clapping,well said, well said. Knowledge is power, righting a wrong is your penance and you will be forgiven. Education and facts are the keys to power. The truth does not abide in those who lie, cheat or attempt to distort the facts.

  • Betty York

    If President Obama is lying to the American Public, he should apologize. Why has he not done so?

    • Smilee

      Because he did not lie, you if indicates you have doubts that this is BS here as well

  • American Citizen

    I guess now it’s wrong to call any male who is still young “boy”. I believe it was meant as referring to his age, not his race. Obama is still wet behind the ears. He was not experienced enough to run for the office of the presidency. Every decision he makes shows that. He can’t even stand up to Pelosi and Reid and Holder. He can’t make a speech without a teleprompter. When he does, he makes all kinds of gaffs.

    • eyeswideopen

      Don’t make an excuse for that man’s statement. You know age has nothing to do with being competent, They didn’t call JFK a boy. I believe that we need some young people in office as most of the elderly have made their fortune, and have lost touch with the average middle class citizen. They have no idea what it’s like to survive on our salaries, with our tax rate and having no job security that they have.

      • American Citizen

        Eyes, you had better have something besides SS to live on when you retire. Your standard of living will go down otherwise. You think it’s hard to live on your take home pay? Who do you blame for that? Do you look at your pay stub? Ours used to make me sick to see what the government took not just in taxes but in SS, etc. Our SS tax payment was usually more than the Federal Taxes they took out. Remember, if you’re not there now, someday you will be if you live long enough. They say old age isn’t for sissies.

        • eyeswideopen

          American, Yes, my grandfather preached to me that a depression could come at any time, as our politicians are greedy and don’t always do what is best for us. He had a policy that for every dime he made he put away five cents. I followed his advice but I made a mistake by sending the Republican party money for 40 years, I now wish I hadn’t sent them a dime. Could really use it now. yes, I had investments, which are worthless now, however I did buy a couple of houses prior to the housing maket going crazy as some family members needed somewhere to live, so I haven’t lost everything and have been banking the rental monies, although I think that 2% interest is a crime, when they charge 11% on credit cards… My sister in law pays 29% as she was late one month when her father -in- law died…. Oh it is really unfair.

        • eyeswideopen

          American, my sister in law, was complaining about her ss. and I asked her if she paid in $1000.00 a month to the system? She responded no, I then said well, if you didn’t pay in 1K per month and are now drawing 1k per month, why do you think you aren’t being subsidized? It took me 20 mins to explain to her that she has already pulled out the money she put in and is now spending the money that I have put in. I also explained that there will be no money for me, so maybe she should be happy that the government forced her to save and have made up the difference when her money ran out.. My sisterin law, is an irresponsible republican and she drives me nuts… I tried to tell her years ago, to save for that rainy day, no, they took vacations every year as she said she works hard and deserves it. She was one of them that I had to buy a house for, as theirs got repossessed.

          • American Citizen

            We supported those who were drawing SS while we were working. And yes, we did pay over $1000 a month in SS taxes. SS is a blessing to old people as it is almost impossible to save enough to support yourself after retirement. That’s why years ago the elderly ended up living with relatives. When I was a child, we always had some grandparent on one side or the other living with us. Would the young people today stand for that? Most of them wouldn’t because of the “me” generations. Our children have told us they would take us in, but we want to live in our own home. You younger people have a rude awakening coming when you have to retire.

          • eyeswideopen

            American, if you are paying 1000.00 per month, you must be quite wealthy. as the SS tax for this year is 6.2% and for medicare it is 1.45%. on earning of up to $102K. You would have to be making a hell of a big salary to be paying that is ss taxes. If you are making that much why are you on medicare? It will tell you what you paid into SS on your yrly statement. It doesn’t make sense all of your previous info and you worring about COL for SS, if you made that much money.If you have been on SS for about 12-15 years, you have probably used everything you contributed and are now using someone else’s money. The rates were even lower when you were paying in. Here’s the latest info. http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10003.html But I would bet you didn’t mean you were paying 1000K a month for SS taxes.

      • American Citizen

        JFK also showed his youthfulness by some things he did while in office. The Bay of Pigs for example. He did not live long enough to know what else he may have goofed on. Obama shows his inexperience also.

        • eyeswideopen

          Yep, you are right, a radical killed him.

          • JeffH

            …or maybe a government conspiracy, or the mob, or maybe Castro? JFK and Bobby made a lot of enemies.

  • American Citizen

    Eyes, we can do nothing about the past except to try not to repeat the mistakes. The Democrats in power now won’t let the Republicans have a say in anything. They’ve tried, but are rebuffed at every turn. I think it was frustration on Wilson’s part that the Dems won’t let the Reps have a say in what is in the healthcare bill. Every amendment they tried to put in, including the one that would require the immigrants to show proof of their citizenship, was rebuffed,

    And for your info, I am not a Republican but an Independent and conservative.

    • eyeswideopen

      American, us repubs have inserted 789 admendents to the house bill. We are not trying to work together, you know that, you have heard us say let’s just bring him down. Come on, you know better. When they said today that they had worked 100 hours on the last bill and they wanted some kind of applause, I thought I would die right then. They need to get back out in the real world. It took them three mths and it was only a total of 100 hours?? What were they doing ?

      • American Citizen

        Eyes, apparently you don’t watch and listen to C-Span. The Republicans who were on the committee said they were not allowed to say anything. When they did, they were in effect, told to “shut up, we’re in power now.”

        It’s true, there are bills still being worked on. 100 hours is a lot of time. But there are also other problems the country is dealing with right now. I just wish Congress would let us see the bills that are being worked on.

        • eyeswideopen

          If they werennn’t allowed to say anything, why isn’t the public option in the bill??? Everyone knows that’s what the dems want, come on AMERICAN, you know better. ‘THEY MADE ME DO IT MOM, I DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG. THEY WOULDN’T LET ME WORK ON IT… Why didn’t they complain sooner, why wait three months before you say anything?
          BALONEY!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          American, 100 hours a lot of time? That is a little more than two weeks of 8 to 5. A lot of time?? You can’t really believe that they weren’t allowed to speak? OMG we are in trouble.

    • Smilee

      When Obama came up to the hill to talk with republicans their leader emailed all republicans and told them we were not going agree with him on anything even before he had a change to talk to them and tell him his views and this started the slam the door in your face syndrome on the hill this year, they do not deserve to be listened to as long as they have this chip on their shoulder. Republicans have again become the party of NO as they did with Truman and it was not long after the democrats gained majority for 40 years, lets hope history repeats itself as 12 years of republican control was extremely destructive.

  • Willis Wolfswinkel

    It’s time that Obama has open door meetings instead of closed door so the public can see and hear all the coverups. Canida right now is having a terible time with their health care plan because it’s running out of money and people have long ago been coming to the U.S.A. for their health care because they have a waiting list for procedures and now as a man From Canada just told me 1 day ago that they are out of money and don’t know what will happen in the outcome.

    That is exactly what will happen here. Leave our health care as is and forget the socialist plan that Obama is trying to push thru.

    • eyeswideopen

      Willis, here is my only statement.premiums rose 131% in ten years and salaries rose 38%. Go ahead try to keep your insurance. No one will have it soon.

    • American Citizen

      Exactly, Willis, it’s like we’ve been trying to tell people. The healthcare bill is not about fixing healthcare, it’s about taking total control of it. Eventually our healthcare system would run out of money just as always happens with a government program. Then they either raise taxes, or throw it to the states to finance. They are not fixing what really needs to be fixed, which is how it should be paid for, meaning the insurance companies.. And tort reform. If any of you ever has a major health problem, you will find we get quality care. That will go down as there will be a shortage of doctors frantically trying to take care of a larger and larger population while their numbers do down. There is already a shortage of nurses and that, too, would get much worse. We have two daughters who are nurses and they have to work 12 and 14 hour days or even sometimes two shifts in a row. Politicians!!

    • Smilee

      Canadians will tell you, you are full of it, this accusations got so harsh in this country that two Canadian newspapers decided to run a poll each this summer and asked which plan they would prefer for Canada, theirs or the US model and one poll was 81% for the Canadian plan and the other 82 % for the Canadian plan. Your whole post is bogus and only a repeat of the conservative far right propaganda full of lies designed to kill health care reform in this country.

      • American Citizen

        Why wasn’t the poll result 100% approval? There must be something wrong with their plan. When you poll healthy people, of course they’ll say it’s great.

        • JeffH

          “Trust is a must or your game is a bust!” So true in life and politics.

          • Smilee

            Over 80% polls are a real reality , 100% is not possible what ever the subject, but I doubt you have the intelligence to understand that, what it says is only 1.8 people out of 10 preferred our plan that would tell a thinking person something is wrong with our plans but of course you twisted logic would be straighten out some if you accepted the truth.

          • Smilee

            81% or 82% is a very very high level of trust if that is what your stupid statement was suppose to address

        • eyeswideopen

          are yuu nuts? you can’t get 100% agreement with any group of people in any country. How come we never have it equal 100 % when we do polls here?? So people don’t take the poll, or don’t care or have no opinion.

          • American Citizen

            Eyes, have you ever been polled? I have and they ask questions which you really can’t answer as your answer isn’t one of the options. I don’t put any faith in polls for that reason. They are skewed to get the answers the’re looking for.

          • eyeswideopen

            American, I am on the Republican survey where my voice counts for all of those in my county. I send it back with awlful statements they keep me on the list and continue to send them to me. I think they are trying to get me back as a donor. Which I refuse to do anymore. The polls are skewed to what info the media wants to push. Here’s a stupid question they ask: Are you still happy with Barack Obama? Now they are asking this question of someone who was never happy with him and then they say, his poll numbers are going down. Every time I got polled for the McCain ticket, I kept telling them, us southern women are not happy, we wanted someone who knew world affairs, and had a good grasp of our domestic problems here in the lower 48. If they would have paid attention to the info, McCain, would have picked someone else, and who knows what would have happened.

  • American Citizen

    In looking back at the past, I can’t help but think of Abraham Lincoln’s words, “I am not so much worried about who my grandfather was, but as to who his grandson is.”

    • April

      Your’re right. My 1st grandbaby just turned 5 mos. It is for them we are concerned.

      • American Citizen

        We have 17 grandchildren and 1 great grandson. I, too, am worried for their future. Obama and the Democrats are selling them out in more ways than one.

        • April

          I know you are proud. I sure am. I will try to do the best I can to be a good example and am looking forward to share with them what I know of God and History and try to find ways to make it fun so that it is interesting to them.

          • American Citizen

            Yeh, grandchildren are more fun than raising your own (even though you’re proud of them) as you just love them, spoil them and send them back and let their parents deal with them then, Ha, Ha. Our oldest is 29 and the youngest 10. The great is one year old and they moved away so we don’t get to see him very often.
            It is so much fun to go to their games, contests and arts programs. I think it’s because we don’t have the same responsibilities we had as parents.

  • Willis Wolfswinkel

    Sorry for those that think there were no weapons of mass distructionin Iraq.
    They must have just gotten their first computor about 6 months ago because there have been picture taken by our military people on the web. showing otherwise.

    So maybe the people that think they are so smart ought to be more informed before calling names.

    • American Citizen

      After we went in, they found where the WMD had been hidden in bunkers that were now empty. They were in Southern Iraq. Knowing we were coming, they were emptied and truckloads were going into Pakistan. Even the inspectors said there was WMD in Iraq and Hussein used some on his own people. One of the Iraqi generals also said they had WMD. But you heard nothing of all this in the media. It came from our soldiers over there.

      • http://Yahoo Dee D

        American Citizen – Did all the WMD have the greeting from Bush Sr. and the USofA stamped on them? All I’ve heard is no WMD were found anywhere in Iraq. Are you marching to a different drummer or do you receive propaganda from the Reich wing nuts that no one else receives?

        • American Citizen

          No, like the post above, I learned a lot from a son-in-law who was over there.

          • Smilee

            If he told you there where WMD there he must have dreamed that as noone else found them, even the UN inspectors tried to tell us before we went in that there was none there and he was the last person on the ground over there before we attached them

      • eyeswideopen

        American, do you not remember that the United Nations had inspectors in a couple of years earlier and Iraq had to get rid of the WMD’s? Upon Hussiens deathbed, he stated that he could not let anyone know that they didn’t have weapons, as that would make them vunerable to Iran. In the years prior, the weapons inspectors watched them remove and detonate missles that they had, which we didn’t find any new one of those either. If there was any proof of them being there, you can bet a million bucks, good old Bush would make sure everyone knew about it.

        • American Citizen

          Eyes, you don’t think Hussein lied, do you? Our soldiers found the bunkers where the WMD had been stored. There were reports of columns of trucks going over the border into Pakistan before we went in. They found traces of sarin on bullets in the sand. That’s why our soldiers were told to wear gas masks as first until they found the bunkers empty. The bunkers were in Southern Iraq and the inspectors were not allowed to go there. What was Hussein hiding? They also found trucks tht had labs with traces of WMD in them. There was a lot coming out that was never reported in the media.

          • American Citizen

            Oh, and it was also true that Hussein was actively seeking yellow cake in Niger. He wanted to go nuclear.

          • Smilee

            You will believe every lie the conservative propaganda mill spews out won’t you, there was no evidence ever found that contradicts what Saddam said in fact the facts support what he said and not even a dictator lies 100% of the time, thinking people use facts though and did not accept what he said but by the facts everyone believes now on this he told the truth,

  • American Citizen

    Eyes, why do you keep saying, “Us Republcans?” Are you a member of Congress? Do you have a say in anything that goes on up there?

    • American Citizen

      Oh, by the way, correctly it should be “We Republicans”. I don’t know if you’re being facetious, sarcastic, or really mean what you say. But you don’t give the members of your party any credit for anything good they’re trying to do.

      • eyeswideopen

        Beside being obstructionists, name me one thing that they have participated in ? They did pass the Tarp bill , prior to Obama taking office and since then they have done nothing…

        • American Citizen

          What have the Democrats done but bankrupt us? The Republicans are right in not voting for those bills. So they have done something good.

  • http://Google Frances Dampier

    I am a recently retired principal of a middle school. Our social studies teachers each year have student participate in a three week unit called NAPOLI. All students dress up in “dress to success” clothes each day and they participate in learning how Bills are made and passed and actually act as members who help to shape these Bills. The students look so nice and act like ladies and gentlemen. They have a real respect for our Congressmen and women. They emulate them and study them as experts in their field. When Wilson screamed out,”You lie” to the President of the United States of America I was so ashamed to be an American and more importantly ashamed of what negative influence this will have on the students when they again begin their unit on Bills this spring.What about the children???

    • American Citizen

      He showed what you should do when you do something you know is not right. He immediately called the President and apologized. The teachers should point this out. We all do things of which we are not proud at some time in our lives. That also should be told to the students. But we try to make amends.

      • Smilee

        I guess you are just to old to learn anything new, Frances has a very good lesson to teach you and she is 100% right and you are totally out of it.

        • American Citizen

          If I get this from your posts, Smilee, you are an old geezer himself who has lost a lot of brain cells. Sorry about that as I also think you’re a good person. But there is such a thing as forgiveness and that also needs to be taught.

      • eyeswideopen

        Do you also tell them, that it is ok, for him to lie about being a lawyer, as he was just trying to make his case, of why he lost his temper? Should we lie to the children to cover up the fact that a Rep in the House, was lying?

    • Scarlet

      Most educators are very liberal and lean to the left without showing both sides. They forget to mention the truth about the current democratic congressional leaders and what they did to former Pres. Bush during his speeches. They are also not discussing the lies Pelosi, Reid and crew continue to spew, let alone the theatrics they are playing to get their bills passed and to discredit Americans who are standing up against this abuse of power.

    • JeffH

      You should be ashamed. Wait ’til they grow up and find out how direspectful the senators, congress men and women and the president are. Then they will really be confused.

    • eyeswideopen

      Frances, I am glad that you didn’t make a political statement, just a statement and a question of fact. Thank you.

  • Rich

    Only thing I have to say on this article, is it honestly is written just as bad as Obama’s speech was worded. Obama gave us more rhetoric but stated no facts. Did he outright lie, no in HR 3200 there is a provision that health care will not be given to anyone without proper identification (I can’t remember the page), however there is another provision that states that no hospital can decline to give care to anyone trying to gain admittance, which is in accordance with how our current laws are set and why so many use emergency rooms as their personal Dr’s. Well Guess what that is where they get the ‘You LIE’ statement, but guess what he technically did not lie, but he did misrepresent it. Another big issue I have with this supposed health care debate, is that whenever one of our elected officials, special interest groups or whoever is sponsoring the speech, commercial or whatever, they always conveniently leave out which of the many bills they are referring to at which time. I saw one add from AARP that used references from 3 of the different proposals and acted as if all of the quotes were from the same one.

    I am all for health care reform, but am against any type of government ran option, let’s be honest our government is about as apt as a monkey flying the space shuttle through downtown New York city when it comes to running any type of private industry, want proof look at how much money we loose to railroad, the post office or any of the other private industries our government has taken over. Some of the proposals I have seen, and I don’t mean entire bills just proposals, to me look to benefit a great majority of Americans in a positive way, even some of the ones by Democrats are great. This bill needs to be about ensuring the health care for the greatest majority of the nation it can, I say it in this way because to be honest someone will always slide through cracks even where health care is completely free people slide through them. You really think someone who lives in the middle of the woods, I mean the middle of nowheresville, is going to benefit from this, of course not, but if we can get say 98%-99% of the people of the US have subsidized, employment based, personal or some other type of health care then this bill would fix what most consider to be a problem. I personally consider the abuses and ‘weasaling’ that the government allows our insurance companies to currently do to be the biggest issues (cutting off insurance because of some excuse to not pay for your procedure that could potentially save your life, because you forgot to tell us you had a hand nail on your right foot’s big toe when you were 3.

  • greyhawk

    Of course Obama Lied. It is very easy to tell when Obama lies. If he is speaking, he is lying. In fact, Obama is a Serial Liar. Of course, all this lies are known to be lies by him and by his speech writers and propagandists who write the lies for him to read from his teleprompter.

    Lying is a political tool of the Left and a Strategy that they employ because they know that a large percentage of Americans are ignorant and are easily duped. They know that the vast majority of ignorant Americans get their View of The World from Television and from Pop Culture Music Stations, Saturday Night Live, MTV, BET and other nonsensical sites. They also know that most do not watch the evening news and they know that the ones who do believe anything the Talking Head Kens and Barbies tell them. They are bombarded with Opinion Poll results that are skewed to favor whatever position they are pushing, and that the average evening news viewer will take that opinion as his or her own, because they know that most people want to be perceived as being “in the know” and therefore “adopt the Popular Opinion” that the MSM news outlets put in their little brainwashed heads.

    The Big Lie and the Bigger The Lie, the more people will tend to believe it. Obama and his Political Propagandists know this to be true, and that is why they are Mass Producing Big Lies for Obama to Read From His Trusty Teleprompter every day. That is why they have Obama Making So Many Public Appearances, Press Conferences, State of the Unions, visits to Oprah, The View, Letterman, and all the Sunday Shows and 60 Minutes. The reason that the DNC picked Obama to be their Teleprompter Reader was that they knew that Obama was a Narcissist and loves his own image, and that he would read anything they gave him. Obama is the Leftists Hand Picked Hand Puppet. Also, the other thing Obama had going for him that Hillary did not, is that he is considered an African-American and that when their policies were challenged, they could Play the Race Card, as a way of deflecting attention and as a tool to intimidate anybody who might oppose his message and his policies. Playing the Race Card is an Intimidation Tactic that is supposed to silence all debate once played. But, what they did not figure on is that Americans are no longer afraid of this game they play. They have Played the Race Card and Cried Wolf so long now, that nobody is intimidated by it any more. They even pulled old Jimmy Carter and Bill Cosby out of Moth Balls this week, and had them go public with Cry Race. They are becoming desperate now that Obama and Pelosi’s Leftist Schemes are being exposed. Every red-blooded American who loves Freedom and Liberty best get involved in all upcoming elections and insure that we send the Scoundrels packing at every level of government: local, state and federal. Our very survival as a nation depends on it.

    • JeffH

      Pretty well put, but you made a small error. You cannot be an elected official in this country unless…YOU LIE. They all lie, not just Obama. Every stinkin’ one of them!

  • Scarlet

    Good post Greyhawk. We can’t enlighten the ignorant if they don’t want to be, like the post from Crystal. If she really wanted the facts she would do her research. Obama and his corrupt allies have no desire to help the American people. They have a socialistic agenda and all you have to do is pay attention to who they have associated with in the past and the people they are appointing. They want Americans to be so self-reliant on government that they won’t be able to think or act without looking to them as their “messiah.”

    They are destroying this Country faster than we can react, but “We the People” are uniting. Those on the left who want to fear monger and call out the race card when we protest their proposals are only helping to strengthen the grassroots movement to reclaim this Country. The March on Washington was a great sign of this movement and we had the opportunity to attend. The liberal media can try to discredit the numbers, but we represented by over 1 million people who have had enough of this lie about “hope and change.” Just look at the aerial views.

    Hope and change can only come from a democracy with leaders who are working to protect it, and not sell out their Country for power and greed like what is happening now.

    • Babydayliner

      Why do you hate the Government Scarlett? This is our Government of the United States of America? No matter who is in power. Believe it or not Government plays a big role in our lives. What is wrong with the Government providing health care for the citizens of our great nation. The insurance companies in the private sector is ripping you off. Do your research on FEHB (Federal Employees Health Benefits) and private insurance premiums. Government set rules (regulations) with out none, there would be chaos in this country. If you played the game of Monopoly you would would understand. What is wrong with our Government helping people. Is that a sin? Because of our Government yours and my parents recieve Social Security and Medicare in their golden years.Government provides a safety net. Government provides protection here and abroad. There is no legislation pending for taking away your guns, freedom of speech, freedom of choice. All I hear is crazy talk from the Right Wing saying Communism, Socialism, Leftist. If President Obama was a communist you would be in jail or dead if you went out and protested against him. Social Security and Medicare is a Socialistic program and Health Care Reform would be included if past. Some Socialism is not that bad believe it or not. Obama is not a Leftis he is more to the center of his party. If that was the case he would push for a single payer form of Healt Care Reform. We are still a Capitalistic county nothing is in the works to change that. Stop all the fear mongering. You have the right to make as much money as you wish in this country, but unlike the game of Monopoly, regulations must be imposed to protect the consumer or consumers.

      • JeffH

        I paid for my SS benefits, the government isn’t providing that! They did, of course, screw it all up when they decided “there was way too much money to ever be spent”. Like a pack of vultures circling road kill!

        • Smilee

          JeffH

          Depends on how long you live, many older people have drawn out all they put in but will continue to get these payments until they die. Are you going to stop your payments when you reach that point if you do live that long.

          • JeffH

            NOPE! I plan on collecting ’til there ain’t no more!

  • http://aol John

    Look this fool is going to fall. His organization ACORN is going down and they will take him with them. Also the CZARS they are also going down they are all radicals. Like obama said judge me by the people I surround myself with. Well I have and you are the absalute worst for AMERICA. Know they are trying to investigate the CIA well this is very dangerous for all Americans. These Liberals want to give the enemy all of our Secrets. This JACKASS has to go before we loose our Country for good!

  • http://aol John

    This LIER is going on all the Liberal Left wing nut television stations. But not FOX why because they will not ask the questions that the White wants them to ask. They will ask the real and relavent questions,and he would be caught in a lie. If he is as honest as he says than he shouldn’t be frightened and go on FOX for a real interview!

    • David

      Did you hear him on Stephanopolis (spelling) today? When asked if he would stop funding to acorn, he said that wasn’t a big issue right now….he said let’s talk about the war. crap

  • Vernon

    To all of these comments the best response is to direct you to read the book that Chip Wood published by Gary Allen “None Dare Call it Conspiracy”

  • michael sawyer

    Bush was never called a liar during a joint session of the house, even though he did more than anyone’s fair share of lying in both the house and elsewhere. When will the American public wake up and realize that the right wing of the Republican Party are hellbent on pulling the President down for ideological reasons. It does not concern them that it could involve destroying this nation in the process.This from people who were strutting around doing their utmost during the election campaign to show what great patriots they were, while inferring (not too subtly) that Obama was unpatriotic. However, I’m sure that if destroying the President entails bringing down the USA; the end justifies the means.
    Mike Sawyer

    • chuck b

      mike sawyer

      when are you and eyes coming to the conclusion bush is no longer president and hasn’t been for almost a year. i am what you call a right winger. if it was within my power obama would be packing his and michelle’s extreme wardrobe and heading for kenya. this man is the most dangerous person to reside in the white house, he’s dangerous because of his effect on people like you and “us republicans” the majority of people voting for obama are ones looking for the government to clothe and feed them, thats why they are so anxious for this so called healthcare bill. obama was so sure he had the people mesmerized by his street “con” talk he could push this legislation thru without anyone reading the bill, can you in all honesty see something irregular about this. the democrats for the most part are social minded and practically none of them read the bill passed by the house, “does this bother you”? obama lies about this bill every time he mentions it and that’s a lot. you have to understand when he relates to whats in this bill, “there is no bill”
      obama is interested in one thing “government control” it won’t be the right wing bringing down the country, it will be those foolish enough to go along with the obama crowd and “us democrats” better wake up and quit sucking off the government tit.

      • JeffH

        Some of what you say I agree with, a some of what you say also shows your true “color”. This issue is about what is good for America and the citizens. You are entitled to your opinion, but some of your issues with the president do not appear to be well thought (you aren’t alone with this one) out and differ from the majority that don’t trust Obama and big government.
        Say what you believe but some things are better off left unsaid. You will have to figure it out on you own. I’m not trying to give you a lecture, because this is intended for both sides of the fence.

      • eyeswideopen

        Hey, chuck you Moron, there is not a final bill yet, so all of you saying that he is lying are idiots, how can he be lying when we still don’t know how the bills are going to be combined and what will be inserted or deleted? You guys, have been missing this point since the beginning, I was hoping one of you, would figure it out. If there is no one bill, then how can he be lying about what is in the “BILL”
        This really shows your predjuice and bigotry and maybe you should talk to some school children who will explain how a bill works it’s way through the House and Senate.

        • chuck b

          eyeswideopen

          its taken you, all this time to figure out what i have said in the very beginning, obama keeps claiming that all these bad things are not in the bill, covering illegals, cuts to the elderly, no increase to the deficit. this guy is an absolute idiot. of course he suckered you in so he does have some smarts and yet that wouldn’t take too many extra cells.”us republicans” can’t say that he lied about the illegals!! oh thats right he didn’t know the amnesty bill will take care of that. yeah right!! well “us democrats” better wake up we keep trying to deceive the people and the first thing you know our glorious leader will be moving on and the other comrades in the party will be headed for cuba or venezuela.

          • Smilee

            It is really hard to believe a human being can so mixed up and out of touch with reality and incapable of thinking straight as you are Chuck, you make no sense at all.

    • JeffH

      We can sit back, like in the past, and just let America continue to go to hell or we can take a stand against the ideals of Obama, the Democrats and Republican parties. If someone is going to destroy the very core of this country, I and many many more are going to speak up and do what is necessary to block it. I believe in the American way of life and the freedoms I have and like so many others I have grown tired of the political attitude in our government. If you believe Obama has your best interests at heart, believe. I don’t trust him or any other politician anymore. They ALL lie cheat and steal!
      Don’t start with the ” it is all Bush’s fault” crap. It all started way before that!

      • Smilee

        IT REALLY Started with Reagan the father of the never trust your government syndrome and he planted the seeds that matured under the second Bush and even Bush came to that realization and started what it would take to put the brakes on a collapsing economy and then had to turn this enormous mess over to Obama to fix. Over four years after Katrina we are still fixing it and to hear it here these idiots act like they expect Obama to fix this in 9 short months, he recognized as Bush did the necessary to prevent the bloated economy from doomsday by saving those to big to fail. We would have gone through hell if they had not done what they did. IF Bush and Obama had listened to the conservative far right radicals and did as they wanted to, none of you here have the foggiest what life would have be like then but what we went through was like a Sunday school picnic compared to what they spared us, Bush and Obama spared you that but you here are to dumb to see that.

        • JeffH

          You can’t handle the truth! Ain’t no Democrat ever screwed up nothin’ in the gov’ment, no siree Bob!

          • Smilee

            Is that the best you can do? Running out of words??

  • Jeff z

    Frances
    I am sorry it would take something as small as a single individuals dissent to make you “ashamed to be an American”. I would not allow a single individual to determine my fondness for my country personally. I have read every one of the posts above. Many have been worthwhile while other have been quite childish and marked with lunacy. Eyes slammed shut really needs to back away from her self proclaimed republican title and come to grips eith the fact that she is a progressive just like President Bush. I was once a card carrying republican. Now I stand back and view both parties as being in colusion with each other. The progressives of both parties moving towards the elimination of the Constitution. I personally refuse to be a lemming. How many have left the two major parties to support a 3rd party? I know many personally. Back on topic. I hope that the democrat majority does try to ram their health care proposal down the throats of the American people and we will see what could very well be “the straw that breaks the camels back”. T truly awaken the American people to the fact that we are no longer a free republic. The tea parties are just the beginning. The train is only gaining speed. I am personally offended that because I disent. That I am un American. I spent 16 years of my life defending our country and constitution. I am not a right wing christian, I am not a racist. I am not an anarchist I am a single parent, hard working 46 year old white male American who believes in personal responsibility. We must place expectation on our elected officials that they will act in a manner as we elected them to do. No more catering to special interest and spending like drunken sailors. Term limits of 8 years. No more career politicians. The Ted Kenedy’s, Max Bacus’s (I happen to be from Montana and Max has got to go) and any other career politician from either party needs to go. We as citizens have the power to right what is wrong, but as long as we continue to vote for the lesser of two evil’s or worse yet down party lines we can expect more of the same. Folks…..it’s time to flush the toilet. I agree our helath insurance industry needs to be kicked in the balls. health insurance should not be so exspensive, but doctors should not have to perform tests because they are affraid of being sued. Gov’t run health care is not the answer. If you stub your toe…you don’t cut off the foot. Obama is a liar. I think FactCheck.org has done a fairly good job of pointing that out, but show me any politician that doesn’t lie and you had better call an ambulance because he’s not breathing.

    • JeffH

      I support your views 100%. The train is gaining momentum.

    • eyeswideopen

      Jeff, I was right with you right up until the statement you made about being 46 years old. Didn’t you tell me you started getting Medicare on Sept 1. 2009 and you were happy as you paid zero premiums? Don’t make me go back and find your statement just an explaination would be enlightening.

      • eyeswideopen

        OOPS, MY BAD, DIDN’T SEE JEFF WITH Z IN NAME…….SO USED TO OUR REGULAR JEFFH, THAT I MADE A MISTAKE…. SORRY JEFF Z.

        HEY JEFFH, AT LEAST YOU KNOW I’M PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU SAY. LOL!!!

      • JeffH

        And I’ll make a correction, I’m paying $95/mo for part B and a little bit more for dental.

  • Rohn G

    First, Joe wilson’s apology is not sincere. He is still trying to profit from his actions. If one is truly sorry for their actions, then one should not profit because of them. If a man cheats on his wife and apologize to her, then goes to a bar and brags to his friends about it, is he really sorry?
    Second, Where do you draw the line? You making him a hero for his actions. So are you saying is okay to shout at the president of the United States when he is making a formal speach? Is it okay if had threw a tomato or shoe at him? Both Joe Wilson and Kanye West need a lesson on respect. Ask Aretha Franklin about that.
    Third, Obama’s opening was in reference to the CURRENT health care system. Obama wants to be last to attempt fix the health care system that we have now. Both democrats and republicans agree that the current health care system needs fixing. Yes, when Obama does pass his health care bill there will still be debates about health care. Yes, the debates will also lead to some changes. The founding fathers of this country setup the Consitution,and we still debate it, and still can change it by amendments.
    Forth, If you listen to the speech, Obama explained how private schools can compete with public ones. Private mail delivery can compete with the US Postal service; the private sector maybe winning this battle.
    The rest of your article is just guessing. I am from the Show Me State. Therefore, you will have to point references that I can varify. I wonder how much you know what in the bill. The Buccaus Bill just came out which is just the first of serveral.
    Finally, if you are so oppose to government run health care, then lets get rid of Medicare and Medicade. Also, tell everyone that is currently on Medicare and Medicade to get off of, because it is not working.

    • American Citizen

      Tom, how old are you? You apparently believe everything the dinosaur media tell you. And you can’t be on Medicare or you would know it’s not free. It costs us seniors just as if we were on regular private insurance. The only difference is the government can’t kick us off when we get a catastrophic illness. That happens a lot the older you get. And yes, we do get premium raises, both on Part B and the private supplemental premiums. This is the first year Part B premiums are not rising, but we also will not get any raise in our SS. A trade off somewhat.

      • Smilee

        AC

        WE got a 5.6% raise in our SS in Jan 09, and no increase in Medicare B, D and the supplement insurances went up because of increases in deductibles in Medicare. Insurance companies must pay that on your behalf. Bush raised them before he left office, he also tried decrease the payments to doctors and hospitals by 10% but the courts ruled he did not have that authority as it was not allowed by law so they did not get that cut in Jan 09

    • JeffH

      I guess it is OK for Pelosi and Reid and other Democrats to villify the same people that are your neighbors, aunts & uncles, parents from all walks of life for not trusting government and shouting out. Where is the respect for the American people? Justify that for me!

    • eyeswideopen

      Tom, you fail to see, that they love the government run socialized healthcare, it is taking good care of them, but they don’t want anyone to receive care. Now they want an increase in their government run socialized Social Security. Do you think any of them understand that usually what they draw is so much more than they ever paid in? Which means someone (you and me) are subsidizing them. They don’t get it that some people who can’t afford insurance are paying taxes which is where the money comes from to subsidize their medicare and ss.

      • JoAnne Johnson

        EYESWIDEOPEN, YOU ARE UNBELIEVABLE. EVERY OTHER PERSONS COMMENTS ON THIS SITE, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A REBUKE. I AM ON SS AND IF YOU KNEW THE SYSTEM, MY SS CONTRIBUTION IS GOING FOR THE BABYBOOMERS, NOT FOR MY OWN. THE GENERATION BEFORE ME PAID FOR MINE AND YOURS IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE NEXT GENERATION. I WONDER IF YOU COULD LIVE ON $800 PER MONTH. AS FOR YOU SUBSIDIZING MY LACK OF INCOME, YOU ARE REALLY NOT AS SMART AS YOU THINK YOU ARE. DO YOU EVER HAVE ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY ABOUT ANYONE ELSES COMMENTS? YOU SEEM TO THINK YOU HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS! AND EVERYONE ELSE IS TOO STUPID TO HAVE A GENUINE OPINION. I’M SURPRISED THIS SITE CONTINUES TO ALLOW YOUR SHALLOW OPINIONS.

        • eyeswideopen

          JoAnne. Maybe they let me stay on this site, as I argue using facts. I just don’t get on here and start calling people names, lie communist, socialist, nzai, etc. etc. You are the typical Repubs or Conservative, who doesn’t like it when someone can counter your emotional non fact based statements. You sure can’t admit what the previous admin policies have done to this country, and you are really full of anger. It doesn’t really matter what you think of SS. it is a socialist government run program, which you Republicans embrace. It is also a program which lets you receive more than you paid in. That debt is passed on to every generation. So if you are 80 something, yes, I am paying for you. Get in the game, I know it is hard to admit someone is subsidizing you, but if you look at your statement you will have to admit, you are drawing more than you paid in.

          • chuck b

            eyes

            you and smilee must be smoking off the same crack pipe, each of you keep accusing everyone else of calling names and being a racist, if we don’t go along with your socialist garbage then we are a bunch of dumb idiots, go back and read your comments, what a joke. it’s no wonder obama won, with people like you how could he lose and we seem to have an over abundance of your kind. you have to hand it to him though, he sure sold you an empty sack. “obama is a fraud” he’s a street con, he probably got his knowledge when he worked on the streets selling dope when he was in college. his friend ayers most likely educated him on how to overthrow the government. you adore this guy, i don’t and i have been around too many guys like him so he’s not kidding me who he is. do you have solar power on your broom??

  • Tom

    I have never read so many mistruths, distortions and lies before. Most of these comments (both sides) are confusing, hateful and disturbing, very disturbing, this includes the author of the article. Does anyone even care, I mean truly care about the future of our country anymore? I honestly believe believe politics has become a sport in this country, people will defend their teams no matter how awful they are and nothing will change that. That is why they are referred to as fans (fanatics). People have become fanatics about their party lines and defend their respective parties no matter how stupid their agenda is. The parties have become incredibly stupid due to their intense hatred of each other. I simply can no longer be involved in this democracy or that joke of a day (election day) any longer because intelligent voters are simply outnumbered to the order of 20 to 1 or more!! We are the laughing stock of the world.

    • JeffH

      Tom…why would there be Tea Parties, Town Hall meetings and blogs like this if people didn’t care. Many participants only believe what they read and hear, which contribute to the fear and ignorance projected in the comments. I believe what I believe because I try to weigh the facts, the rumors and what I see, hear and read.
      One fact remains constant, for the most part the politicans do not respect America and the American people. It is all about “GREED AND POWER”. Past and present.

      • tom

        talk to the people at these “meetings” and evaluate on your own if they really know what they are talking about. if you are honest with yourself you will find almost all do not. for example, when was the last time conservative republicans were concerned about medicare? since when are conservatives worried about medicare expenses being curtailed and diminished? they are concerned now because they are trying to get senior citizens (also referred to as seasoned citizens in the past by their true leader and mentor) on their side of this issue. you have heard radio talk show hosts claim that medicare is going to be severely impacted, when for decades now they have been critical of medicare as a socialist and pernicious entity. now they are concerned about medicare being effected by the health care plan.

        alternatively, if the democrats are truly concerned about keeping health care costs as low as possible why have they not been in support of tort reform? why have they been so supportive of attorneys? do you think it might be because they are worried about losing their support in the future? here again, the interests of the country is not the first thing on their agenda.

        you can vote on election day but i’ll watch the charade from the sidelines, i have no intention of joining in on the circus. this is certainly not what our forefathers had in mind.

        • JeffH

          Maybe a change of scenery would suite you better.

          • Smilee

            Solutions of any kind cannot be found in your box of tricks can they Jeff. when someone intelligent as Tom is asking the right questions then you always respond like this

          • JeffH

            Smilee bite me!

        • David

          Not voting is stupid too. You are then lowering yourself to sheeple status. Pick the lesser of two evils and go vote. I hope a new breed of candidate is being born now…one that is not raised by the system in DC. Go up there and speak with some of the legislative assistants….unreal

  • Steve

    I agree with everything bob livingstone is saying and plus we have a freedom to speak how we feel about certain issues cause thats what the
    first ammendment of the constitution says and mr. president is trying to shut us up and even take away our guns as it says in the health care bill.

    • Smilee

      Steve

      So now guns are a part of health care, do I understand you correctly???? you silly boy you.

  • Paula

    To those who would argue on behalf of Democratic rhetoric, I would advise that “YOU” are on the same sinking ship with the majority of us unless, of course, you are one of the “elite” in Washington. I wonder if you realize the dangers ahead. Have you even read the Constitution? Did you not see the protests in Iran in which people were beaten and murdered in the streets by a tyrannical government? Is this what you want???
    For many years our elections have been nothing more than popularity contests. Maybe we have become lazy and complacent in our research of candidates. What we now have as representatives are basically “Pot Luck”and when we take the lid off the pot we find that the contents turn our stomachs and are rancid, a mix of special interests, tax evaders and corruption who are changing laws at the expense of the American public to attain unprecedented wealth. Wake up people…..or go down with the ship……..your choice.

    • American Citizen

      I really believe it’s time to raise the voting age to 25 or 30. You can’t be a member of Congress unless you’re at least 25 which means you have to have some life experience. Most of those in their lower 20′s and teens voted for Obama. Of course, there are those who are so partisan they’ll vote for their party’s candidate, no matter if they know he’s a serial killer. I remember when Clinton was elected for the second time and people were calling him on his lies. Democrats were saying, “He may be a liar, but he’s our liar.”

      • Babydayliner

        American Citizen you are to stupid to be an American Citizen. Why not ban people 60 years and older from voting or for running for Congress or the Presidency. Those are the ones that impose old fashioned, played out values. There ideas are stuck in the past. We as Americans need to progress. They are the ones who are stuborn to change. I’m 41 years old and I believe young people are the future, and have the brilliant minds to make a positive difference in this world. Old farts need to stop screwing us up with their decision making that is slowly bankrupting this country. Young people are the future dumb ass.

        • American Citizen

          I knew I would get this kind of reaction from some on here. Do you know why Jesus waited so long to begin His mission? Because the Jewish people did not trust anyone under 30 to have any wisdom. You denigrate senior citizens who have accumulated much wisdom. Most of us do not become senile. It’s like the Dems hauling out someone who has had misfortune to justify their programs. But if you check out the people they put before you, you’d find most of it is a lie. The dinosaur media does not do its job. They investigate nothing as good reporters used to do.

        • Honest to Goodness

          Baby, young people are the future, but let’s not put those death panels in place just yet!! LOL

          • eyeswideopen

            Honest, you can’t joke like that, they will take it seriously, but I love your sense of humor.

        • Smilee

          Babydayliner says:
          September 19, 2009 at 1:24 pm

          Hey Babydayliner, I totally disagree with AmericanCitizen and I agree with you, I’m 68, please to not put all us senior citizens in the same slop bucket as many here are in, unfortunately many old timers never learned anything along the way, we must always live in the present or living in the the past will drag us down. We do need to progress and if we do we become wise.

          • David

            I really like American Citizen. Smilee should listen to his elders.

          • Smilee

            Davy, your forgetting I’m in her age group

          • David

            Yes but there is a difference in the “silent generation” and post war generation….

      • American Citizen

        Call me any name you want, but you are the one whose ignorance is showing. You may be 41 years old, but you seem not to have learned very much as yet. It’s these so-called progressive ideas that are ruining this country. We’ve had them ever since FDR and most of it hasn’t worked. We are in grave trouble and Obama and his cronies just continue to make things worse.

        • eyeswideopen

          American, you aren’t mad that you got disrespected are you? Imagine how our President felt.

          • JeffH

            …and imagine how the American people felt.

        • David

          I’m 40 couple and agree with American. The seniors have seen so much more than we have and many of the x generation is more interterested in their reality TV and I phone. If we do not pay attention we will follow all other great civilizations…down the tube. Look at the Brits now…

        • Smilee

          If I remember right you livelihood comes from FDR’s SS and your health care from LBJ’s Medicare, does that make you feel guilty

      • eyeswideopen

        Maybe the younger people were more objective and didn’t want the Republcians to stay in control… maybe the figured we had done enough damage. Leave it to the repubs to try and change a law when they don’t like the outcome…lol lol

      • Honest to Goodness

        I think you are offending responsbile young people who are that age.Maybe you didn’t make good decisions at that age, but I have a grandson who is a doctor and thirty, he is smart enough to vote. It sounds like you don’t like the results of the last election and want to take away the young peoples right of representation. You should show more respect, as those 25-30 will be paying for your Social Security and Medicare benefits. My best guess is that you have been drawing SS and Medicare for 15years or so, therefore you have expended your total amount paid in. You are now riding on someone else’s coat tail, and hasn’t anyone told you that it is a government funded program?

    • Honest to Goodness

      Interesting that when the Republicans don’t have controll, they do what is called the “claw back”. The amount of fear that they have invoked is something similar to what Hilter was able to do. They already only watch one Television station, are one religion, and seem to want only one political party. My son is a Republican and he is very afraid, he did his masters on Hilter and the German mindset. He thinks that the party is replicating Hilter’s doctrines. After reading this site, he may be right. So much hate and name calling. Fear is in each and every one of these posts. Hard to believe that we loved each other after 9/11. I blame alot of this on the media who is trying to stir things up. I watch it, so I can tell my son, what stupid pranks and lies that they are saying. He won’t watch Fox, he doesn’t want his children to think that he would promote any station that has, Glen Beck, O’Reily, and Hannity on its programming.
      Well, best of luck to you,,,try not to be so radical in your fear.

  • Dave

    It seems to me that any one in goverment that is proposing things like a fine for those who do not enroll in one of their programs is just rediculus, I mean for alot of us in this country right now are running without health care not because we want to but because of a long running program to deindustrialize our nation is now showing its ral teeth. Now they want to impose fines of up to three thousand dollars for those of us who do not sign on. Well I for one is one of those who do not have health care because I now do not have a job, and no prospect of getting one. and even if I found one it would not have any benefits offered. So now in comes our Democrat saviors with another expensive must do plan to put a bandaid on a problem in which they helped to create. so go ahead Obama levy the fines I cant pay I will take the jail time. Oh by the way I would like to take this chance to say what I believe alot of us would like to say. What part of tapped put dont you understand? We cant afford it and I think for the most part we dont want it. Ted Kennedy has wanted this for thirty years plus and the story is always the same in the proposal. Watch the politicians they are not your friends!

  • http://------------ greg

    This web site is nothing more then right wing opinion Bull Shit —idiots get a clue report the facts and not fiction —it is A-Holes like you that are screwing the rest of us — go to hell

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      greg – I certainly do not want to go to hell. Rest assured you won’t be alone because a lot of others like you who are unable to think for themselves and believe the truth when it smacks you in the kisser will be with you to stoke the fires and keep them burning.

    • JeffH

      And this is what they think you are doing? Amazing! Take a walk and a deep breath then wait for the music to start playing “Yankee Doodle Dandy”.

    • JeffH

      Forgot this one…you stole VanJones line…A-holes. RIGHT!
      Look in the mirror.

  • Babydayliner

    I agree with Cyrstal reply, this article has no sources supporting it’s claims that President Obama is a liar. Because you say it doesn’t make it so. I check my facts government sites or credible news sources and look at legislation first hand. Any way let me point something out to you. I work for the federal government, I’m not a member of Congress, but I receive the same Health Care benefits they do. It’s called FEHB, (Federal Employees Health Benefits) it’s basically a public option for Federal Employees. We have a wide variety of insurance providers to choose from. If you compare our premiums to the private sector you would be shocked how much money you will save. Your President, Senators, Congressman/woman have this plan. I’ve worked in the private sector before and I can tell you FEHB surpasses anything out there in the private sector unless you work for a fortune 500 company. Open your eyes people, What’s wrong having the American people having this same plan? Stop protecting the insurance companies that is ripping you off.

    • American Citizen

      That’s what needs fixing, not the health care system. Insurance options and tort reform, but Congress won’t touch either one because of the money they get from the lawyers. If this health care bill goes through, you will see a big doctor shortage. Those we’ve seen and talked to would think about quitting. Most of them are not in it for the money as they don’t have that great a take home pay. They may live nicely, but not lavishly, at least the ones we know. A doctor’s practice is just like any other business with its costs. They have to pay taxes, employee wages, equipment, office rent if they don’t own the building, etc. How Congress thinks there will be enough doctors and nurses to handle an ever growing population when their numbers are going down is beyond me. Sometimes there is already a wait for elective surgeries, not as long as in Britain and Canada, but the waits will only get worse. We need an injection of common sense into every citizen in this country.

    • chuck b

      babydayliner

      wake up, this healthcare plan is not the one you fed. employees have. totally different. the congress will not subject themselves to the plan they have for us. don’t be fooled.

  • Old Vet

    I have read these posts and have come away very disheartend. Every one is missing the point of this administration, and it’s so open and in front of everyones noses. In one or two years if not sooner there will be a complete collapse of this great economy and all the PBO supporters will blame the past and present other side, while the other side will blame the past and present. PEOPLE WAKE UP DAMNIT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS DOING WHAT NO NATION ON EARTH COULD DO AND THEY ARE NOT FIRING ONE SHOT. DIVIDE AND CONCUR THEN DISMANTLE….
    Just pull your heads out long enough to see, PBO does not care about Liberls,left or Right, he only cares about a preconceived agenda that will be put in place shortly by this administration. If you do not believe this is coming then stand by……YOUR FREEDOMS ARE NEXT….

    • American Citizen

      Thank you and all vets on here for your service. I am married to a vet and our oldest two are vets.
      You’re right on, what’s happening now in Washington has nothing to do about caring for the citizens of this country, it’s all about control. The Democrats are whooping it up because they are once again in power. We had them in power for over 40 of the last 60 years and look where we are. The young people on here don’t know what is happening. They just call us names because we try to tell them.

      • JeffH

        AHHHHHHHH…but it was Bush that ruined everything, without any help from any Democrats! If Bush were in office today, think how bad the critics would be…WOW! Off the charts.

        • JeffH

          To those that don’t understand…SARCASM!

          • American Citizen

            I got it immediately, Jeff, read my post below about those with comprehension problems.

      • chuck b

        amer citizen

        don’t be discouraged. when some of these people criticize and call others names means they really don’t have a clue and that’s what they were taught in our public school system. the liberal media is their only source of info and that means they are relating to democratic talking points. if you say anything about obama you are a racist. it makes no difference to them how much he lies about this healthcare legislation they will only refer to bush as a liar and its all his fault. if bush had done half as much as they claim, i’d change my mind about him having been so wimpish. “us democrats” will, have to really change our ways though, people will think we are a bunch of bay area commies. pelosi will be calling in our cards.

        • eyeswideopen

          Chuck, when are you going to get your third wife? How is it living in Utah? Do you let your children dance and sing or is that forbidden? You should consider the Christian religion, we are very accepting of other faiths, and would have no problem if you wanted to change your faith.

          • chuck b

            eyeswideopen

            i’m not very far away from utah, a few hundred miles. a second and third wife might work out real good. the one i have now keeps complaining about doing all the house work plus the cooking and ironing, i’ve been trying to get her to take in laundry from the neighbors so a couple more could really come in handy. those mormons know how to live. now your going to start using the phrase “us christians” we are to blame for all of obama’s problems. why don’t you send an application to your glorious leader so he can become a christian.

          • eyeswideopen

            No, Chuck , I will blame closed minded men, like you, who made the statement that we shouldn’t be allowed to vote. You are the type I’ve had to deal with my whole life, and there truly is no explaining or even understanding you. Chauvinism has a new poster child. You!!

    • http://Yahoo Dee D

      Old Vet – I agree with you 100%. I asked many times how Obama felt about the ONE WORLD ORDER, and received no reply at all.
      Bush Sr. proposed this at a Summit meeting during his tenure and I fear all after him has bought into it. And I do mean ALL and EVERYONE.
      That will be the very beginning of the end and final blow to Democracy as we have known it for over 200 years. We have been slaves all our lives but we will still learn a lot about slavery. We will see the end results of pure Greed and steps taken to be the total controller of the world. The acts all will see will make Adolf Hitler look like a saint.

      • American Citizen

        No, ALL and EVERYONE is not into the one world order thing. We’d even like to get out of the useless orginazation called the UN. Just think how we could use those buildings if we got that nest of spies out of this country. Think of the money we’d save. Those foreigners get by literally with murder because of their status.

        • http://Yahoo Dee D

          AC – During Bush Jr’s tenure – He was the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.
          Another first for him in US history to have the UN remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
          He rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
          He was the first president in history to refuse the UN election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.
          But most shameful is he took the world’s sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world.
          He will in all probability be labeled the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history, and the worst president the US has ever had.

          • Elaine

            NO …although bush did push the one world order agenda …SPP.gov (north american union)..and various others..he’s not hte one who turned the US into a hated Nation.. it was the radical left and hollywood pervs that acomplished that goal…if anyone thinks mr o is changeing that opinion their right… hes making us so vulnerable the we be lobbing nukes soon!

  • American Citizen

    OK, Eyes,, I guess I have to hit you upside the head. Read my post again. I said that even Jesus, the head of the Christian religion, a man who believed in peace, had to take up the whip. Geez. And we’re not talking about Democrats here, it’s the liberalism which leads to socialism.

  • Honest to Goodness

    American Citizen, I am new to this site but it seems as though you are inferring that the Republican party or Conservatives should be the ones to take up the whip? How can you think that when there isn’t a person on earth who is able to do Jesus’ job? Very egotistical to think you should man the whip.
    After reading some of these comments, it makes me very afraid, not of the demon democrats but of you supposedly Christian loving republicans and conservatives. Who do you people think you are? Don’t even try to imatate Jesus, you hate spewing Christians are the lowest of low, and will be lucky if Jesus even looks you in the eyes.

    • Honest to Goodness

      sorry, I spelled imitate, incorrectly.

    • American Citizen

      Oh, golly gee, another one with no comprehension. The “whip” is your vote.

      It seems there are so many today who have comprehension problems. I worked in our school system for 15 years with children with their reading, and their biggest problems were comprehending what they read.

      • American Citizen

        Honest, welcome to the fray. It’s fun. I just want to let you know that I was not denigrating Jesus. I love Him with all my heart,mind and soul. I truly believe that while He lived, everything He said and did were examples for us. When you see your brother doing something wrong, you are to call him on it. Even if it means taking up a real whip. But that is a last resort. The “whip” that is meant here, if you’ve really read all the posts, is that we’re encouraging everyone to vote out the current crop of politicians in Washington. Don’t be discouraged if you state a view someone doesn’t agree with. You may be called a name. Let it run off your back as it only shows they don’t have a true argument to give you.

        • Honest to Goodness

          American Citizen,I don’t find anything on this site that is encouraging. It is just a name calling, opportunity for you people to try and degrade the President. It would be different, if he at least been in office for, let’s say a year, and you could find fault with his policies, but so far, he has had to try and save the economy, which really was in shambles and you would think that some of you would at least give him a little bit of credit that we aren’t in a depression. I can’t believe that people on this site admit that they like their medicare and then call the man trying to save it a demon Anti-Christ. I will have my son come on this site, so he can see the hate, he doesn’t believe me, thinks I am only reading a couple of hateful comments. I tried to tell him, that only about 4 to 5 out of over 90 are trying to defend a black President. He is coming to my house on Monday. So if I suddenly become very smart, not to fear, it isn’t me. What do you think the President lied to you about? I am not clear on that. It can’t be the health care final bill, as there isn’t one yet. Could one of you please tell me, I can’t figure it out by reading your posts. I know you are very mad I just don’t know why. Thank you.

          • American Citizen

            Eyes, what promise has he kept so far except the one to radically change this country? At least he’s trying to. We should just shut up and take it, I guess. I suppose you agree with all his radicalism since you show no objections to it. Now is the time to speak up, not after it’s too late.

          • David

            Goodness, what is your opinion about the health care proposals, cap & trade, card check? The reason why people are upset is because these are all very huge power grabs by the gov. All are going to cost us more in taxes, lost industries and higher costs of goods (more taxes but they won’t call them taxes).

            Are you happy about a $1750/yr (they lied about this cost) increase in your utility costs? Let’s tax industry for emitting CO2 (the same thing that comes from your mouth every time you exhale) and then raise their utility rates. Wow I wonder what goods and services will cost when passed on to you.

            If Medicare/Medicade are so bad, and gov run, then why do you want them controlling every aspect of healt care?

            Card check….let’s make it easier to organize a company so they can be less effiecient. Real smart!

            See if you can break out yours or your son’s opinion before Smilee, Dee or Eyes jumps in.

          • Honest to Goodness

            David,
            first of all, the Gao, came out and said it would only cost the average American family about 90 to 175 a year in 2012. I am an old fart, but I believe that we have to start some time, to stop this dependance on Oil. In the 70′s they promised us that if we approved the Alaskian pipeline, we would be able to solve our oil issues. No legislation has ever been passed to wean us from oil. I’m not the most educated, but I am smart enough to see what polution is doing to us and our health—just look at Calif. Since this country uses 25-28% of the worlds resources and us and China cause most of the polution, we should make attempts to clean it up. No wonder other countries don’t like us, we act like spoiled little children and won’t accept responsibility for using so many resources or causing polution. We, including you, have benefited from low oil prices, and now maybe we will have to have only one sexy cell phone, one gas gusler, and maybe our thermostats should be set to save some energy.

          • Honest to Goodness

            David, my son didn’t come over, so I told him how to get to this site, he called me and asked that I not spend too much time here, as he thinks it is a very toxic site. Too much name calling, too many radicals. He said, “Mom, we are good, moderate Christians, who don’t hate”, and he made me promise to only respond to a few of you. He worries I will get too depressed, as it is quite ugly here. He didn’t think it was bad for Smilee or eyes to take a different position, he did say that the party has let Eyes down, that she expected a party who was financially astute, and morally sound. He thinks the same thing happened to Smilee. He said it is sad, as they were committed party members for so many years. He thought that the GIT IT RIGHT person is a nut case, radical and is an example of why people are leaving.

          • David

            Goodness, there are a lot of good people on this site as well. You do need thick skin though because occasionally someone will call you a nut or a nutty old fart, etc. Many of us just like to debate. I do not jump into every subject on this site but some are near and dear to me. Cap/trade is one of them. I work for the energy intensive iron/steel industry and we, along with paper mills, cement making, the list goes on…are also going to be crushed by this bill. Cap/tax is a tax on the front end follwed by 130~170% increase in energy rates over the life of the bill…ie a double tax. And if you don’t think everything you buy is going to be affected by this then you are sadly mistaken.

      • eyeswideopen

        American, don’t worry, she probably had just read all these hateful comments and we frightened her. Sometimes I feel that same kind of dread and fear, while reading some of this crap.

        • American Citizen

          I was trying to encourage her not to be afraid to voice her own opinions.

  • eyeswideopen

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  • American Citizen

    Eyes, you said all I show is hatred for this administration. I hate what it is doing to us. I don’t see why you can’t see that. We have become the laughingstock of the world. And now they know they can’t trust us to keep our promises. If you don’t know what I mean, you’re not keepng up with the news.

    • eyeswideopen

      You, accuse me of hating the previous admin, and that’s bad, but you are allowed to hate this one, because you have decided we are the laughing stock of the world. What do you think the world was doing for the previous eight years. All of the “evil Doers” were laughing their butts off, as we got into a war, we never should have. It appears that the world in a little kinder to us now, than before, but you see that as a laughing stock… funny isn’t it, our view points? Apparently the majority of Americans from all the parties, didn’t like the path we were headed down or Obama wouldn’t have been elected. It is interesting with all the facts and stats I give here, you don’t think I keep up with the news?

      • American Citizen

        Eyes, I suppose it was OK for Clinton to go in and stop the killing in Serbia, but not for us to stop it in Iraq. It’s been said that the role of the soldier is not to kill but to stop the killing. The Iraqi people are grateful that we are there. I don’t know what the total outcome will be as those people have been killing each other for centuries. But Hussein was a monster and needed to be stopped.

        • Smilee

          AC

          Serbia was a NATO exercise, Iraq was a go it alone attack on a foreign country and was not a danger to us or under attach or had a war going on at the time as Serbia. Iraq was only one of many countries run by dictators but we did not attack any of them, we may never know the real reason we did but it was the biggest bungled undertaking this country has ever undertaken.

        • eyeswideopen

          American, It is not our job, to decided who is a monster and go in and change that country. They have hundreds of thousands that are dead, they now have a religious civil war going on between the sects, and they are living below the stadard that they used to. I am tired of Americans thinking that every country needs to be a democracy, like ours and that we are the only ones who know how things should be done. If a country asks for our help, that is one thing. For us to decide against the world opinion to go to war with an innocent country who had not participated in the 9/11 attacks, is just an egotistical action. Who did make us the all knowing ruling country of the world?

        • eyeswideopen

          American, I’m a Republican, and I didn’t like what Clinton did. The only thing he did right in my book, was balance the budget and leave a surplus. That’s it.

        • eyeswideopen

          American, So you didn’t answer why it is ok, for you to bash this admin. while I can’t say anything about the previous one? You don’t believe in learning from past actions? Or do you think that we really didn’t make any bad decisions? Did you complain when we passed the Medicare Bill or the Patriot Act? Did you know how much it was going to cost? Or how much the PA was going to take away regarding our rights? You do need to know that Pres. Bush tried to get reform prior to just letting Congress pass the medicare bill, he even tried in 2004 to get them to review it and make admendants to stop the subsidies to companies. He ran into a brick wall, but he didn’t use his power correctly.

      • American Citizen

        Obama was elected for two reasons, his skin color and his constant rhetoric of “Change”. But the voters didn’t pay attention to the change he was promising.

  • American Citizen

    David Horowitz said something very profound this evening on this racism baloney going on. He said, “The Democrats are using the blacks as a shield.” So true.

    • eyeswideopen

      American, if you stand back and watch closely, it isn’t the Dem’s who are playing the race card, it is the media.

      • JeffH

        Carter?

        • eyeswideopen

          Should have stated it isn’t the Dem admin. Pelosi, didn’t address racism, she addressed violence.

      • American Citizen

        Pelosi?

  • http://google Botun Nyein

    USA IS FATHER OF DEMOCRACY.
    Why not Joe Wilson give a remark to Mr. President!
    Don’t worry,History will give that who is the liar.

    • Babydayliner

      Speaking of liars, George W. Bush is the biggest liar of them all. He lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction, Iraq war, Presidential briefing on Bin Laden determined to use planes to strike U.S., All major combat operations in Iraq has ended, Terror alerts, Torture, Katrina (he was briefed on the levy situation), CIA outing (Valerie Plame), Spy Program, Abu Graibe, Gitmo, The Economy is Strong!, War Spending, The U.S. defecit, V.A. Hospitals, etc, etc.

  • Old Vet

    If Everyone will sit down and look at all these posts and see the division that has taken place through lack of understanding and caring about the other person. Trust My Words ladies and Gentlemen
    you will see it coming like a freight train in a tunnel and when you do, I only hope and pray that your close to the other end so you can get out of the way and react before it’s to late.
    May GOD BLESS all of you.
    And GOD BLESS AMERICA.

  • Richard Pawley

    Someone pointed out the old immorality is now the new morality which reminded me that somewhere in the Bible it says that before the world is wiped out by uncountable comets or asteroids from space (called falling stars by those who didn’t have all the different words we use)that “good would be called evil and evil would be called good” before this all happened, and I would say WE ARE PRETTY CLOSE. Others keep asking where are the sources for the lies the president keeps repeating. Well if you want to read about them you could go to the AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE in Washington, DC and Europe. They have fought many fights against the ACLU and their agenda and won. They will tell you (if you really want to know). How about a College teacher who specializes in the Constitutional Law. Congress neither wrote the original health care bill nor read it, but Prof. Michael Connelly did and he can point out all the things that are not quite what the president says they are or wants them to be. His web-site is: http://michaelconnelly.viviti.com/entries/general/the-truth-about-the-health-care-bills
    Those who hate Bush and those who hate Obama and those who hated other presidents before them are missing one very big point. These presidents could not pass anything without Congress approving it. So the Cap and Trade Tax that the Treasury Study says will add $1700+ to each families fuel bill each year has to be passed by Congress. It actually amounts to a TAX but Congress has to approve it. The Health Care bill will not pass because the Democrats know that those who vote for it will not get re-elected when the real price becomes known. If it does pass this will hasten the death of the dollar even faster than it is now sinking. Why do you think some of the members of Congress are moving from where they live and getting unlisted phone numbers and addresses? They know the chaos and inflation that they have caused by all their spending – in the neighborhood of 300%! (Write this down if you don’t believe it so you will remember you once read this). It may not happen next year or the year after that but I believe you will begin to see it beginning by next year. It is hard to predict exactly when the tsunami of debt will hit because the comet of irresponsibility is still headed our way and there is an awful lot of funny business going on between Wall Street, Washington and Big Business. In fact “More Funny Business” is a chapter in my new book. Another one of the chapters of “The Last Days of The Late Great United States” is called “Gasoline or Milk, $10 a Gallon” another is called “2009, Our Last Normal Year, Sort of!” Wake up people! Doesn’t anyone grasp how much Congress is spending? This years deficit is $1.8 Trillion. If we were to pay it off, not the National Debt, but just this years deficit, and we paid it at the rate of a million dollars a day, it would take in excess of 3,000 years to do so! Congress spends $185 for every $100 dollars it gets in taxes and we go into debt an extra Five Thousand Million dollars every day. What they are going to do is crash the system and I have been telling everyone that since I realized it last year. Just this past week for the first time ever I read an investment newsletter that was saying the same thing that I have been saying, and have written about: that when we destroy the dollar it will take the rest of the world with us. Maybe they just read my book! No paper money of any kind will be wanted by anyone because everyone is trying to do what we are, print our way out of our financial problems. In all the world this has never succeeded. Three years ago in “Leaving South Carolina” I told readers to sell their stocks and bonds and pay off their homes because we were going to have a Greater Depression that would be worse than the one our grandparents lived through. It has barely begun. Sure gold will most likely double but food will triple and then become virtually unavailable, and 95% of the people cannot even conceive that this is possible. No one can tell you exactly when this will happen but no one who knows the facts will disagree unless they have an agenda of their own. God is not the state and the state is not God, and all nations are going to discover this in an unprecedented change in how the world system operates. I cannot tell you when this will all happen but I know tens of thousands who are building up their supply of guns and bullets and non-perishable foods and these are ordinary people who have come to realize that there is not much difference between the Republicans nor the Democrats on what really counts. One party is pretending to be helping the people but they are going to sink the ship of state as fast as they can and the other is trying to milk it for all its worth and then jump ship (and hundreds of thousands of have already moved out of the US for good) but this crisis has barely begun, maybe 10% worth, and it is going to affect all the people on earth. My advice to those who believe in God would be to start praying about what you should be doing, when, and where, and how. If the God you worship is the real God he will guide you and tell you, intuitively or verbally or however you can handle it or are accustomed to hearing Him. Those who have such guidance are going to have a rough time in the next decade and in the decades ahead. Those who do not may not survive. All this is politically incorrect to say, to be sure, and I know you had other plans but it’s the truth! Jesus said no one who turns to me (heart and soul) will I ever turn away, but he also told his first followers not to go anywhere until they had been filled with the Holy Spirit, and how that happened is written about in the Book of ACTS just past the gospels. Now this is not about church or religion, it is about the truths contained in one of the founding documents of this nation. When it ceases to be believed the United States may still exist, just not as we know it now. It may be bigger or smaller, but America will be long gone. Some believe the idea of America is almost gone now. If you just can’t grasp this or it seems just to impossible to believe then remember that our biggest problem in this country just one decade ago, the problem that had everybody up in the air, was the President’s sex life! That was our biggest “problem” just a decade ago! My how time changes things! Well, the changes of the next ten years are going to make the last ten years pale in significance. They will be even greater or larger than what we have seen in the past ten years. Print this out, tape it in your Bible or wherever, and keep it, and remember that someone once tried to warn you. Forget the arguing and name calling. Vote the crooks out of Congress, Democrat and Republican, ASAP, but start preparing for a Brave New World that is not going be the choice of anyone but will be the inevitable result of a nation that did not listen to the lessons of history and believed the lie that there was something for nothing. The hour is late and there is little time to waste. God bless you. He wants to do so but many do not know this.

    • Richard Pawley

      Sorry but the address did not come through on the college instructor who read the whole Health Bill in August and found the “errors” that are not as the president says they are. Just go to the following address: http://michaelconnelly.viviti.com/ and it is the third or forth article down. Hopefully this come through.

      • chuck b

        . r pawleyth

        congratulations on a well written article.

      • JeffH

        Thanks for your research and the link. Joe may have lied about being an immigration lawyer, but who lied about the ????? You know who.

        • Get it right.

          I don’t care that Joe Wilson lied about the immigration issue, he helped pass the medicare bill for us Republicans back in 2004 and he had to sign it even tho it had statement about paying the hospitals for those mexican immigrats. Pres Bush wanted it passed and he supported his President and passed it. WHO cares if he is really a immigration lawyer or not?? So he just built himself up a little everybody does that at one time or another. He is still a lawyer. He is proud to belong to the SONS OF THE CONFEDERATE VETERANS, as he should be. He lives in the South and we need to start flying those flags and getting the dems to move back up north.

          • eyeswideopen

            Get It Right, You are the poster child for the Republican Party, a little lying is ok, as long as you belong to a radical group, we’ll accept a little lying. Lord help us. I think we have some Convenient Christians, you know when they want to justify something that is wrong, it’s ok, as they are Republican Christian.

          • Honest to Goodness

            Git it Right, it is not right to lie, teaching your children that it is ok to lie, if you are trying to make a point is just as bad as lying for no reason. Do you think Jesus, thinks, well, they were lying to make themselves look like a more knowledgeable person, so it’s ok? No… You have some awful logic going on. I will pray for you.

      • Smilee

        Another conservative propaganda website designed to distort the truth, why do so few here go on the house site and read the real thing for themselves rather than from all these sites that are filtered. Why do not the conservatives just post a link to it on their sites, but then people would go there and discover the truth for themselves. I did and it definitely says that no one illegally in this country would be allowed to receive any government funded health care under this plan (HR3200) Obama in his speech was not talking about any specific bill but that he would not support any bill that did not make it illegal and unless you can read his mind you can not say he was lying as he has not presented a written document. Joe said he was referring tohouse bill including HR3200 and Obama was not talking about these bills, but later joe said it was against the law in these bills but there was no enforcement mechanism in these bills as they had proposed in committee and it got voted down as what they had proposed was real expensive to implement and produces very little results and subjects everyone to this background type check both for legal or illegal persons. Joe first said that Obama lied about making it against the law and unless my ears are getting bad he said it would have to be against the law in order to get his signature, remember he was talking to congress who writes the law, he does not write them and poor joe must want us to believe he can read his mind. People here spin the truth and then address their spin and to hell with the real truth in other words they are addressing what they said Obama said and not what her really said. Someone should tell Joe that there is difference in making something illegal and the enforcement of that law as they are very different things.

    • Smilee

      Richard

      I just read the whole web page you linked us to and this has got to be the most slimy piece of propaganda I have seen to date, he is not using his expertise to illuminate anything but he dilbertly distorts the real bill and offers opinions that are more radical than any I have read, he seem to me to be one sick man. I hope you do not fall for his BS

    • keith

      i’ve got plenty of survial gear,ammo and several firearms and bows and will go to wyoming to pair up with a marine buddy while the us goes to hell,for you city folks and others who don’t know how to survive i pity you!

  • James Corbin

    It isn’t Fox News!!!!! Obama said he was what the people surrounds him!! Just Look—the people that surrounds him are corrupt!! Do research on their backrounds. You people better wake up!!!When government get full control of everything—–You will see —-But too late!

  • Ron

    Anybody watch the movie State of Play, great movie. :-)

  • American Citizen

    I thought so, In reading that verse from Deuteronomy, I find she has misinterpreted it. It is about driving out evildoers.

  • http://priscilla.perez@lnfre.com Maria

    There you go again, Ronna, this race card thing is now so overused, the people are no longer intimated when you spit this one out. You use it to shut down the debate.

    What part of our country has no more money don’t you understand?

  • chuck b

    obama has a lot on his plate right now, i see where a judge in so. calif. is demanding that obama show his birth cert. wouldn’t that frost the liberals if this hits the headlines while he’s out committing perjury with this healthcare legislation. when you try to deceive it will come back to bite you.

    • Smilee

      You heard wrong, another tidbit from the conservative rumor mill.

      • chuck b

        smilee

        i see your back inhaling dummy dust again. search it out on google, judge david carter, fed court santa ana, the hearing is set for oct 5, 2009. his attorneys are trying to get it dismissed, but, its very doubtful. doesn’t this just bring tears to your eyes.

        • Smilee

          There is a pending motion on dismissal as was in the others for a time, the judge did not order Obama to produce anything but did give the plaintiffs more time to produce evidence of what they claim. This is just a rerun of the other lawsuits and most likely will be dismissed as well, there could be a hearing with some evidence presented but it will end up the same as the rest, the judge has not ruled on anything as yet and will allow for some more discovery before he does this is customary in any law suit but this will go by the wayside as well as it is pure BS and thinking people have figured this out by the evidence that is out there. Even if they did get a hearing they will not succeed but if it does goes this far it might finally put this hoax to rest once and for all.

  • James Corbin

    Why wouldn’t he show his birth certificate if he doesn’t have anything to hide? I always thought to be president of the US your background was an open book to the people—-So you know about the person running for president! Evidently, not this one!!!!!!!!!

    • Smilee

      He has already shown it, why do you say he hasn’t

      • chuck b

        smilee

        if he has shown it, you must have been the only who has seen it. there was one floating around on the internet, however, they claim hawaii never issued that type, it really doesn’t matter to me one way or the other. there’s no way they would ever remove the glorious leader. he is doing a good job of hanging himself, every time he opens his mouth he digs the hole a little deeper. now hes going to bail out the news media, and after bailing out the auto unions and helping his friends buy a new car, that wasn’t a bad deal after all ( it took a lot of cars with obama stickers off the road.

        • Smilee

          Chuck,

          Many have looked at it in Hawaii and the state of Hawaii has verified it as correct representation of what is recorded and that is all any birth certificate says is that is is recorded in their files and it says that the place of birth which in this case was Honolulu Hawaii and it says it was recorded when he was four days old and say who his parents where. Every expert that has examined it has come to the the same conclusion it is accurate and correct and the state of Hawaii maintains it is what they have on file. The conservative propaganda mill has churned out all kinds of scenarios and some have been in some lawsuits that have gotten nowhere, and apparently you prefer to believe a propaganda mill rather than the experts who know what they are talking about. This effort by conservatives will never succeed, just wait and see it will be as I say.

          • chuck b

            from what i have read he was born in hawaii, however, the media has never shown any so called evidence to squash these rumors. it may be better to have the court prove this birth certificate issue and go on. the obama crowd has spent millions covering his trail and he is very controversial. the democrats are masters of deception and i certainly would not trust the hawaiian officials in this matter. the one certificate shown on the internet was not the same as what hawaii issued in those days, but, that was on the internet so who really knows for sure and like i said the demos would never allow obama to be removed from office.

          • Smilee

            You know nothing about what you speak,and you must only watch FOX as I have seen several news-outlets debunk this BS. Closed minds make ignorant people. Have you looked at this one they still have it up.

            http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

      • Eddy

        maybe he hasn’t shown it because a real birth certificate shows both parents if known. a real certificate would tell the truth. and he lies like a rug.

  • David Hall

    Has anybody ever heard or read that ALL MEN are liars. Especially,
    Politicians, Lawyers and used car salemen. How do you think, Politicians get elected by the people? THEY LIE!!!And then the people
    choose the ONE that they think, LIES, THE LEAST!! THERE IS NOT ONE
    POLITICIAN IN AMERICA, THAT WILL LOOK YOU IN THE EYE, AND BELIEVE WHAT
    HE OR SHE SAYS & SAY WHAT THEY BELIEVE, NOT ONE. It’s about like a
    little Bible verse: There’s not one Righteous, lest any man shall boast! No, not one. IT’S ALL ABOUT A VOTE, YOUR & MY VOTE.

    • Get it right.

      MY REPUBLICAN LEADER DO NOT LIE. THEY ARE ALL GOOD CHRISTIAN MEN AND THEY DON’T LIE. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO LIE ARE THE DEMOCRATS AND WE NEED TO GET RID OF THAT PARTY.

      • eyeswideopen

        Most of the people on this site will agree with you. It must really be nice to think that the only perfect people are we Republicans.

      • David Hall

        Sir, thank-you for straightening me out. I vote, Republican, 90% of the
        time. I never knew or understood, they didn’t lie. I thought, they
        were little liars, and the Dems, were the big liars. Illegal folks, have been pouring in under both parties, killing the unborn, under
        both parties, crime & drugs out of control, under both parties, our
        school systems are (no pray, no disipline) under both parties. I could
        go on and on, but I’ll stop there, because you sure straighten me, out.
        Antime, anyone make a promise & don’t keep it or breaks it, is a liar.
        ASK ANY AMERICAN INDIAN, I’M SURE THEY COULD EXPLAIN IT BETTER.

        • eyeswideopen

          I can’t wait to explain to my kids, vote for Republicans as they are LITTLE LIARS, and the big liars are Dem’s. LOL. That is like stealing is only bad if you get caught. Ethics people, what is wrong with all of you??

          • David Hall

            Sir, I tell my kids the TRUTH as I see it. Stealing & lying are WRONG,
            PERIOD. It is worse to steal or lie, and get away with it? WHY? Because
            it promotes more of the same. Big or Little. I also, have told my kids,
            what I read, what Jesus said, qoute: A MAN WHO SAYS HE IS WITHOUT SIN,
            HE IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. What, you tell your kids, is
            YOUR BUSINESS!

          • eyeswideopen

            David, I was only quoting you, there is no such thing as little liars. Like it or not Joe Wilson is a liar. Why is it so hard for your party to admit that people make mistakes and they lie? Is it because you just want to make our President a liar, so no one else can have committed that crime?

          • David Hall

            I totally agree, my statement about little lie, big lie, are all one in
            the same. Thank-you, for helping me with my POINT! NONE, MEAN WHAT THEY
            SAY, OR SAY WHAT THEY MEAN————-IN OTHER WORDS, NO POLITICIAN,
            REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT———SPEAKS FROM HIS OR HER HEART—–THEY
            SPEAK TO A VOTE. THEY SHOULD LET AN AMERICAN SOLDIER SPEAK FOR THEM,
            THEY WOULD SPEAK FROM THEIR HEART.

      • Honest to Goodness

        Ge It Right,
        The fact that you think we need to do away with the Democratic party shows just what a radical you are. You have made some pretty nutty comments on some of the other sites here, and you sound like you want only one party. You keep stating that the Tea Parties gave you information and ideas, it sounds like thos parties were a little radical and definately racist. I will continue to pray for you.

  • Smilee

    This a confession on your part, David

  • David Hall

    No-Sir, it’s a FACT! I said, has anybody, HEARD OR READ that ALL MEN
    ARE LIARS. This is not intended to be a Bible lesson, but JESUS CHRIST,
    said it. The apostle, Paul, wrote and said: THERE IS NOT ONE RIGHTEOUS,
    LEST ANY MAN SHALL BOAST, NO NOT ONE. It is a Fact, for those who have
    read and believe. It is hog-wash and not believable to the unbeliever.
    It can be another debated issue for the self-proclaimed, self-righteous, hollier than thou folks. JESUS CHRIST is my MESSIAH (SAVIOR)!! That’s why it, is a FACT not a confession. I make my confessions & prayers to my LORD JESUS, not man. That’s another FACT.

    • David

      David, do not waste your time on Smilee or Dee, they are both retired union workers and want nothing more than for obama to pass these rediculous pieces of legislation….so that their pensions will be made whole again. They are the 5% liberal minority which has their own messiah.

      • David Hall

        Mr. David, thanks for the advice. Before messiah Obama, gets done, and
        pays back the Unions, them ole boys and girls and everybody else are
        going to be crying in there soup, sayin duh! duh! what happen to my
        pensions and duh! the jobs. Some folks, don’t sleep, others, sleep a
        little and wake up fast, others sleep all the time and are still in a
        deep sleep. Duh! Duh! they’ll wake up before it’s over and Obama says,
        rise and awake! I HAVE BANKRUPT YOUR NATION!

      • Smilee

        My pension is already whole and will stay that way whatever Obama does, has not addressed pensions anyhow so do not know where you got that BS from. Say what you like but the non union (they are pissed about it to)people where I worked get around $1800.00 less each month that I do from the Company Pension fund and SS. eat your heart out we Union retirees live very comfortable because of our Unions. How much pension will you get when the time comes???

        • David Hall

          I hope you don’t lose your pension or SS. You worked for it and deserve
          it. My question, is, when the Government is out of control spending, they have to print more money to replace, what they spend, which inturn
          devalues the dollar, then inflation go through the roof and IF that happens (WHICH IT COULD) toilet paper will be more valuable than the
          dollar, when it collapses. It want matter if Donald Trump and Bill
          Gates have billions, it will not be worth nothing. We’ll all be in the
          same boat, crying in our soup. You get it, Bubba?

          • David

            No worries, Smilee’s pension is in Gold because he’s so old…his real name is Gettlefart

    • Smilee

      You do not consider yourself as a man among men???

      • David Hall

        Naw, Mr. Smilee, like everybody else, put my clean fruit of the looms on (momma always said make sure they’re clean), put my pritches on (one
        leg at a time) I’m right-handed, so I start with my right leg, then, put my boots on (one foot at a time) I’m left footed so, I start with
        my left-foot. Then, I try to make the best out of one more day in this
        world. Plus, I might be a Red-neck! It’s according, what IS, IS!

        • Smilee

          Drinking kind of early in the day aren’t you, unless you have another problem as this makes no sense what so ever

          • David Hall

            Naw, Mr. Smilee, that’s what wrong with me, hell, I need a drink and ain’t got the money to buy one ever since Obama got elected. Plus, my
            5th ex-wife run off with the ice-cream salesman, he told her, he was going to show her the world. I really never got over that.

          • Smilee

            Cry me a River!!!!

          • David Hall

            HA!HA! PRETTY GOOD ONE. I KNEW ALL ALONG THAT YOU WERE A CARING, LOVING, PERSON. WAY-TO-GO, SMILEE.

  • John

    I was born in the same hospital as (allegedly) Obama in Honolulu. After looking at his birth certificate (on google-images) I notice it is quite a bit different than mine. My certificate lists father and mothers ages, places of birth and occupations; his does not.

    • Smilee

      It does include has parents name, date and time of birth, place of birth, date it was recorded, He was born at 7:24 PM on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu Hawaii and this was recorded in the vital statistics records on August 8, 1961, he was four days old and it includes his parents name, and was issued by Vital statistics on June 6, 2007 and is signed by them and certified this is the information on file and has the Hawaii state stamp on it. The information given would be under the laws existing in 2007 when it was issued and not 1961 laws and many states no longer list all the information on file only the pertinent information necessarily to certify date and place of birth and names of his parents. It has been certified correct by the state of Hawaii. See this copy

      http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

      • eyeswideopen

        Smilee, a Republican Governor even certified that it was a valid Birth Cert. The only difference of him being born in Hawaii or Texas, Texas would be changing his document to make them happy. LOL

  • BABUSHSKA

    David Hall:
    Sorry to have to disagree with your citing of the scripture in reference to lying, but it actually refers to salvation. It’s in Ephesians 2:9, “For by grace you have been saved through faith (as opposed to good works. It is the gift of God, lest anyone should boast.” What that means is that salvation is a gift from God, not based on anything we have done or will do, so that no one can boast or brag that their good deeds saved them. It is a gift from God and free for our taking, all we have to do is accept Jesus as Lord and savior.

    • David Hall

      I knew one statement, about our Holy Bible and some folks would stick
      their chest out, thumbs under their arm pits and straighten me out.
      I totally agree with what you say, but back up about two or three books
      & read Romans, my reference to all men are liars is in there. Plus, there are other places in the old and new testaments, that say the same thing. Like, I said at first, not intended to be Bible lesson. All belivers, seem to want to split hairs, & put their spin or twist on it. That’s why there are so many different churches and doctrines. We all think, we’re right, when the fact is, was, & and will be, ONLY ONE RIGHT!! JESUS CHRIST.

  • Paul Trood

    Obama is a liar and a narcissist. Better get used to it because there will be plenty more before his time is up.

    • Norm

      Paul Trood
      2016 to be exact.

  • http://www.101christian.com Jinger Jarrett

    Maybe what Wilson did was a little rude. Whatever. What he did was express the overall frustration most of us in flyover country feel about the current government and current president.

    He could care less about doing what’s right for this country. He hates us, he hates this country, and like all the other liberals, hates everything that’s great about this country.

    I neither like nor dislike the man. I don’t know him. What I do know is that he hasn’t offered a policy yet that I can support because those policies either bankrupt us or kill us. Considering the first lie he told was that he’s a native born American citizen, I’m not surprised by any other lie he’s told.

    Thanks but no thanks Mr. Obama.

    • David Hall

      All Mr. Wilson done, was call it as he seen it. Then, turn around and
      craw-fish and after little pressure, he APOLOGIZED. That’s what made me
      sick. No Politicians SAY WHAT THEY MEAN! AND MEAN WHAT, THEY SAY!
      That’s Obama, Pelosi, Reed, and the rest of their top dogs, agenda, to
      Bankrupt and Control the people and Nation. And it’s coming fast as lightning.

      • Get it right.

        David, Mr. Wilson said that the Party leaders asked him to say he was sorry and that’s exactly what he did. He didn’t have to mean it. He did what they told him to do!! I don’t care that he lied about being a special lawyer (immigration), so what he lied? They are lucky he didn’t throw something like the foreigners do. ha ha. Even thou he signed that bill which pays for the immigats care,. he was just following his presidents orders. Why should he show respect for Obama? Obama is black and all of you keep saying he’s a liar, so who cares? WHo cares that Wilson is getting going down in history for disrespect, we can always fix those records, when we controll everything again.

        • David Hall

          I don’t care, neither. What I do care about is the Dems and the President is and are going to bankrupt our Nation, with all this spend
          and tax. The tax-payers will have to pay for it all. It adds up MORE
          than the COWBOYS make. Duh! we gave GM billions, to keep them from
          going bankrupt. After that, (they took the money) and filed bankruptcy
          anyway, Duh! We tax payers got our ass ripped on that one, plus it
          was unconstitutional. They should be just like everybody else, good
          business sense, you prosper, bad business, you fail.

          • April

            Our government’s job is to keep our Nation safe; not weave itself into every part of our lives. Now the safety of our Nation is in jeopardy b/c Mr. O (for Ohh I did not know) and his corrupt cronies are not doing thier job. Insurance and Health care is not the govt’s business nor a right to be given away. It is earned as we choose as individuals. The plans he want to sneak in are proven to fail time and time again. Canada and Great Britian are warning us not to make the same mistakes they have made. Mr o and his own do not care about the American people. They only care about their own agenda and getting their way no mantter who it hurts. DEFACTO!

        • eyeswideopen

          Git it Right,
          I see that none of the people on this site, see any irony in your admitting that Wilson, lied, about being an immigration attorney,was disrespectful by shouting at the Pres.and that you could fix the record later. My that is honest, isn’t it? Integrity is a word that you aren’t familiar with. So, Wilson, can lie, and it’s ok, because he is a Republican, but it any Democrat lies, they are hilter? Oh joy, this party is in deep crap now.

  • Michael

    Thanks for your opinion!

    The problem with the sheeple who blindly praise their elected savior in Washington, is that they ignorantly don’t understand that it isn’t what is “in” the bills but what “isn’t” in the bills that open the doors to corruption, deceit, and exploitation of the American people.

    It’s those darn loop-holes.

    However, like the author of this article tries to point out, the more savvy Representatives tried to close those doors by introducing amendments, which those snake slithering liberals shot down.

    Why?

    Because they love to make laws that look good to the ignorant sheeple but secretly play to the special interest and socialist elitist.

    • eyeswideopen

      789 admendants?

  • American Citizen

    Eyes, we are retired, me for 13 years and my husband for 12 come January 1. I retired early at 62 and took a cut in SS. I retired then due to my job as a school tutor and I had to start chemo. I was told not to be around children as my immune system was in the toilet. I looked at my husband’s last pay stub, but it is not indicative of his true salary as it was only for P.T.O. and accumulated sick pay. But I know for the whole month the last year he worked, between the two of us we paid over a $1000 in SS taxes a month. He was the Maintenance Supervisor at our local hospital and it took 35 years for him to work up to $50,000 a year the last year he worked. We are not rich. We had 6 children and it took us 30 years before we were able to buy our own home. It is a small brick, two bedroom, one level due to my husband’s having had a major stroke 27 years ago. It fits our needs. Fortunately, his job was a supervisor so he was able to return to work after therapy. After our last child graduated, we invested in the stock market. My husband managed our accounts. We were able to accumulate enough, plus an inheritance to supplement our SS every month. With what we both get from SS, we are able to pay the over $500 a month in insurance premiums. Don’t let them fool you, Medicare is an insurance program and it’s not free. So It worries me that Obama wants to raid it and Medicaid when those programs are already in trouble to pay for his program.

    • Smilee

      Obama has never said he wants to get rid of Medicare so why are yu saying he is saying that??? The changes he has proposed will not change any plans coverages in Medicare, it will change how we pay the Advantage plans, he wants to pay them like everyone else is paid and that will save the government 14% or are you against the government getting rid of waste too. What he wants to do to Medicare is a good thing and you seem to not understand the health care problems we have today.

      • chuck b

        you say the obama plan is going to save the government 14% in cuts made in waste. what waste is he going to cut? you mean in services that they feel the elderly should not have. in essence this is eliminating prolonging life for some older people, something like a “death panel”.
        you keep referring to the obama plan and all the great adjustments he is going to make to our healthcare, maybe you should ask obama specifically what all these changes are and where we can see them or do the demo’s send you talking points each day. you have a hard time understanding, obama does not have a bill and you keep believing him when he talks about all these good things that are in this ghost bill. they wind him up each day and he spouts out some bs and all you little liberals rub your hands together and look forward to the good things you are going to receive free from your glorious leader.

        • Norm

          We spend twice as much for medical care as any other country in the world and rank below most of them(I think we are 37th?)in quality of care. Didn’t it ever occur to you that we don’t have it right.

          • chuck b

            norm

            what countries are you referring too,we rank 37th in the world in quality care?? i don’t know where you got your information, but i’ll bet people in anyone of those 37 countries would stand in line to get their care here. no i don’t think we should get it right the way this administration is planning. if we did tort reform and put competition in the insurance field, this type of reform would certainly improve the healthcare industry, but, you are not going to see the liberals touch tort reform and the kind of reform they are looking for is called tax.
            if you had a serious illness i’m sure you would request being transported to one of those 37 countries for medical help

          • Smilee

            Chuck, there you go again showing you do not know anything about this health care issue except what the conservative propaganda mill tells you. Listen up now I will explain this too, This report was put out by the WHO and two colleges also did independent studies and it is interesting that all three ranked the US as 37th in quality and much lower in cost. France is listed as number one, the UK, Canada and all the European countries are rated higher than us. You can find examples of waiting in all countries including ours in fact we are worse that many other countries but the other countries treat all so they do not have bankruptcies like we do and certainly not any deaths due to no health care as the new study just put out by Harvard College says we now loose 45,000 people prematurely each year because they have no insurance compared with the previous study that had it at about 20,000 persons, these other countries do not have this problem because people do not die for this reason in any of them. WE do have some like the Mayo Clinic who ranks higher but the country as a whole is ranked 37th , but despite facts to the contrary conservatives still keep on saying we have the best. The conservative mill has a vested interest they do not tell you about and their agenda is to protect the easy money of the many in this country who have been milking the health care system for years and that is why our medical costs are double of other countries and why you people want to hang on to these expensive ways is beyond me, yes there are transition costs but in time we too will be a lot less expensive than we are now. We should hang our heads in shame to let 45,000 people die each year because we are to greedy to put a stop to it.

          • eyeswideopen

            Norm,
            Chuck’s rationale is that even though we are 37th, it’s better than being 38th. LOL Do you see why nothing construtive is ever done?

            Hell, yea, give me insurance which is so crappy that it costs me 8900 a year and they cancel me when I need it. I so want to throw my money away, it has always been my goal to make Big Phrma rich.

        • Smilee

          Bush added this in 2003 and the doctors in the Advantage Plans (HMO’s etc) get paid 14% more that the doctors in all the other Medicare plans do, so Obama is going to pay all the doctors the same amount and this will save that money without cutting Medicare Benefits for anyone, Death panels was Sarah Palin’s fabrication as they never existed in the bill or has Obama ever said he wanted them. Your problem is you never listen to Obama when he speaks or you would know what he says , but you sure seem to listen to what the conservative propaganda mill says and they alway say things he never said and then say he lies. Like the death panels this was first done by Sarah and later by the senator from Iowa in addition to all the talk shows. You do not have to believe him but if you knew what he actually said you would also then know if your an honest person that the conservative propaganda mill is actually lying about what he said. Its not really that difficult to find out the truth if that’s what you are looking for. You seem to talk a lot about things you know nothing about and if you had you would have known what this 14% is all about and you would not have to ask, never the less thanks for asking now you are no longer in the dark.

        • American Citizen

          How large are those 37 countries? We are 307 million, so of course we’re spending more. We also get better care which is why is expensive. We have treatments that were not available just a few years ago and that are not available in most of those countries. It was WHO that gave us that ranking and it had to do with births. But I also think that ranking is skewed.

          • eyeswideopen

            American, maybe because you have medicare, your care has gotten better, but mine has only gone up in cost and my deductible is now 3k. I pay almost 8k a year, and my coverage is crappy. So please don’t assume that since your care is good that the rest of us with little competition for our plans are getting good care. My pharmacy is trying to get my Dr. to renew my high blood pressure meds, without me having to go in and see him, which will cost me 98.00 out of pocket for a visit. They have been fightng with his office for two days now… can’t wait for tomorrow to see if I have to go in.

          • Norm

            American Citizen
            It doesn’t matter how big the other countries are. We are talking about per capita expendures (as in per person). We may have more equipment and we may do more redundent testing, but we are not healthier by any measure than 36 other countries.
            I agree we need to limit huge lawsuit settlements. I also think we need to limit unwarrented insurance company profits and take legal action against doctors and others who get rich from the system. There is so much fat, waste, and abuse in the current health care setup that it is pathetic.

        • eyeswideopen

          Chuck, they are cutting the payments to companies ( IBM and many others) and Big Phrma in the amount of 175 billion dollars. This money was for meds.

  • American Citizen

    I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again. We know Obama lies because he was once a member of the legislature. He had to know the promises he was making were false. The real power is with Congress. Those are the people we need to pay attention to. We need a huge turnover there.

    • Get it right.

      I don’t like it that you are saying all legislators lie, the Republican leaders don’t lie.

      • David Hall

        Mr. George Bush, READ MY LIPS, NO MORE TAXES!! He told a little story,
        on that one.

      • Norm

        Get it right
        If you belive that, I got a fine bridge in Brooklyn N.Y. to sell you. Turn off your hate radio for awhile and close your damned bible. Open your eyes and come to the real world.

      • American Citizen


        I wasn’t talking about all legislators, I said Obama should know better than to make the promises he makes. Comprehension of posts seems to be a problem on here.

        • eyeswideopen

          American, you said “we know he lies because he was once a member of the legislature”. Well, what about your other legislatures?? You seem to think that people on this site, who extrapolate everything they hear, will surmise that you only mean just the Democrats and Obama. When you make a statement like that it does mean that you are inferring that all legislators lie. Us that know you, know that you only hate Obama and the Dem’s so we would know your intent, but remember new people come here all the time and they don’t know your predjuices right away. Comphrension is your responsibility. The writer is always to make the intent known, so that it cannot be misinterpeted.

  • American Citizen

    In the arguments about the Old and New Testaments. The OT was written to show how the world was created (by God), how man sinned and lost Paradise, how God hid Himself until He revealed Himself to the Jewish people (therefore called the Chosen People), how man came to realize there needed to be rules to live by in order to live peacefully (with God’s help) and to point the way to the Messiah. Jesus ChrIst. The NT is about how the Messiah, Jesus came to earth, born as a human being subject to all the human condition in order to suffer and die for our sins which were on that cross. While He walked the earth, He showed us how we should treat one another. With his rising from the dead and ascending back into Heaven, He showed us that we, too, would live after death. It’s called our soul. The OT is not without value as it points to the NT, but we are called to be Easter people.

    • Get it right.

      American, that is not what my church teaches. Are you trying to force me to believe in your way? What religion are you? Do you live in the North? Are you a Conservative?

      • David Hall

        I’m from the South! Thank-you, Sweet Jesus for that! Plus, I tote a
        Holy Bible in one hand & a GUN in the other. Very dangerous combination
        to them left-wing liberal nuts. But that’s o.k. cause I keep on reading
        my Bible and shooting my gun. Tennessee, by the way.

        • April

          David Hall
          You are my kinda man. You are ready for anything. When my family was stationed in Germany many years ago we came across this man who was telling about a man he knew who claimed to be a mercenary missionary, his job was to save’em and send’em. Just thought you would get a kick out of this.

          • David Hall

            I do get a kick out of reading the different opinions and views, but on
            a more serious note, this new President, we got has got me totally,
            FREAKED-OUT! I hope and pray, I’m dead wrong in my opinion of him, for
            the sake of our FREEDOM, PROTECTION, & ECONOMY. It seems Obama is head
            strong on collapsing our dollar. Then, we can compete in the World
            Market with India, China. The American people will work for food, to
            feed their families.

        • Norm

          Dave hall
          You carry a bible in one hand and a gun in the other and you call other people nuts? I’m from the north and I don’t read the bible much, but I don’t recall Jesus advocating violence. Does your gun make you a big macho man or does it cover your lack of masculinity. A lot of gays drive big cars and carry guns.

          • David Hall

            Norm, I call it like I see it, just as everybody else does. My guns,
            are PROTECTION, HUNTING, & TARGET SHOOTING, not to advocate violence. I
            read my Bible, to give me a little peace, living in an insane world. I’ve haven’t called no individual nuts. I addressed the left-wing liberals as being nuts, same as they do, about right-wing conservatives.

          • David

            Oh my! Smilee, Eyes, Dee….now one of your own is a racist and you didn’t call him out. play fair now.

      • April

        Get It Right-
        She is summing up briefly the Bible as she has read and understood. Doesn’t sound like she’s trying to convert anyone, just stating where she stands. She is a Bible believing Christian; and I am very thankful for her imput.

        • David Hall

          I AGREE!

  • Rich

    Hey American, nice viewpoint on the bible. Only point I would add is that arguing over what is in the bible is completely useless unless you include from which of the many English version bibles you are quoting from. Is it the Catholic, the King James, the NET, the NIV, Here is a link that includes different translations of the bible http://www.bible-researcher.com/versions.html . I am not saying they are 100% correct as in that I can’t be sure only that they are researching the bible and provide information on various translations. I have not fully proofed this site on purpose and use the link above only to show there are more than one translation of the English bible so fighting over what is or is not stated in the bible without which you are referencing is a never ending fight.

    • Honest to Goodness

      Rich,
      You are right 100%. It depends on what Bible your church uses, and what religion you are. I don’t like it when people try to impose their beliefs on someone else. That is why discussing religion is dangerous and sometimes not very fair. American, has her beliefs, and others have theirs, she probably should not have tried to interpert and state her beliefs as she is just going to offend other Christians. If you read this site, we don’t have that many true Christians on this site and we sure shouldn’t be judging or trying to explain our beliefs to other Christians.

      • American Citizen

        I just gave an overall review of the Bible. I didn’t espouse any particular religion. I don’t care what Bible you use, they are all basically the same translation/interpretation. But it’s still a fact that all Christians are called to be Easter people otherwise you can’t call yourself a Christian. Remember, Jesus was a Jew and never renounced his religion. But he did change some things about the OT., “Your fathers said, but I say” So who do you follow?

        • American Citizen

          PS – the Bible is a book of salvation history.

        • Rich

          I gave you credit for that in my original post ;). I said that would be the only point I would add. I am not going to get into any debate with anyone on the bible without knowing which bible they are referencing. You gave a summary of the bible you read without quotes and just interpretation as you understand, which is fine. The references were made by others before you that I was making the point to.

        • eyeswideopen

          Hey, aren’t the 10 Commandments in the OLD TESTAMENT? Should we just ignore them too? Just curious!

          • David Hall

            For those who choose to live under the law, shouldn’t ignore them. But,
            it is written: those who live under the law, will be judged by that law.(old, 1st covenant). Under, new covenant, those who choose, live by
            faith and grace. Jesus, gave us a new law. #1 Love thy God, with all
            your heart, and put no other gods, before Him. #2 Love thy neighbor, as
            thyself. #3 Children, honor thy, father & mother, so you may have a long life. I prefer the 2nd covenant, I try, but that Love thy neighbor, as thyself, is a real, real task for me, most of the time.

  • Arlene

    To Dee,

    What ever gave you the idea that this president is expressing his own thoughts? If he is reading from the teleprompter or from notes, couldn’t they be from his speech writers? We honestly don’t know and besides why won’t he release his College Records? If I was as smart as his administration wants us to believehe is, I would be so PROUD to release my grades. Is it possible that he is just an ordinary, average, Joe?

  • American Citizen

    Got an e-mail today from a retired Constitutional lawyer who has read the entire bill. He said what Congress is doing with taking over health care is unconstitutional. Some parts of it are an abuse of power. He said those who are against the bill for all the reasons we stated are right.

    • eyeswideopen

      American, which bill? Since there are five of them, just wondering which one you are referring too?

      • American Citizen

        Not Baucus, but it doesn’t make any difference. Congress does not have the right to take over our healhcare system.

        • eyeswideopen

          American, I keep telling everyone that we just need to give any monies back to the people who paid into Medicare and close the whole thing down. It is a socialist program and if everybody feels like you, then we just need to close it down and refund money. Let everyone fend for themselves. We should do the same for Social Security too. It does seem unfair that those paying in now will never get to collect. So, let’s just shut down both programs and that should make the Republicans happier than hell.

          • American Citizen

            Medicare is a government insurance program for which we pay premiums just as you do a private insurance. The Medicare tax only pays for Part A for which there is a large deductible. That’s one reason you need a supplemental insurance for which you also pay premiums. Neither pay the full charges of the doctors and hospitals. So they either write off the difference or send you a bill for it. The Medicare Drug plan also requires a private insurance plan. Even with that, for most of the drugs there is a copay and when you hit the “donut hole” you pay the full price yourself until you’ve paid over $3000 then the insurance kicks in again. It’s not a true socialist program. As for SS, you are getting money back that you paid in. Even though you get more than you paid in, you would have gotten almost that much if you had been allowed to invest that money instead. So again, it’s a tradeoff.

          • eyeswideopen

            So, American, do you want to keep it or not? If so, why can’t others have your same plan? This party is getting very confusing, do you consider it a socialist program or not? Are you a Republican or Conservative who wants to keep Medicare? Do you like how this program is run?

          • eyeswideopen

            So American, how much more is too much more?

  • John

    A few days ago, a reporter asked Obama about both the Senate and House cutting off funds for Acorn. Obama said he didn’t know anything about it. Joe Wilson was right.

    • Smilee

      I guess you where not listening to well he did not say he knew nothing about it but that the issue was not something he was going to get involved in, by comparison to the important things he was dealing with this was a small issue, he also said he supports congress investigating them. Your a bigger liar than you claim he was and if you do your research, read HR3200 and you will find out Joe was the real liar but when conservatives call anyone a liar they do not care weather it is true or not and never try to verify the truth. It was Charley Gibson when asked said he knew nothing about it, he does now , get your facts straight

      • chuck b

        smilee

        you only hear and comment on what you want to believe. your liar and chief said he had little knowledge of acorn and their activities, and couldn’t be distracted from his other fabrications.another blatant lie. everytime someone calls this guy for what he is you try to defend him, put the dummy dust down and get your facts straight.

        • eyeswideopen

          Chuck, why should he pay any attention to it, it is small potato’s in the big field. We only fund it for a million a year. Do you expect him to watch every single program out here?? That’s a little absurd don’t you think? You want to think that Acorn got him elected, but it didn’t. The amount of voters at the max they could have registered was 15k per state, do the math, he won by 8.7 million votes. Check and see the total of new voters registered and then you will see that it was the Republican Independent voters who actually put him in office. Don’t expend so much energy on something that had very little impact on the election. They are dead in the water and that is what we wanted.

          • chuck b

            smilee

            yes he should pay attention to it, he was part of this org. at one time and full well knows what they are doing. as far as the illegal vote gathering, you minimize that? you were the one complaining about the vote problem in florida and that was just one incidence. the accorns were guilty of voter fraud throughout the nation, not only that they are corrupt and should be shut down.

          • Smilee

            chuck b says:
            September 23, 2009 at 2:19 pm

            He was never a member of ACCORN, he represented them in a law suit once and I believe they won it. Do you know the difference between registration fraud and voter fraud, ACCORN has nothing to do with voting only registration, there has been any known voter fraud charged those in the organization that did registration frauds have been fired and ACCORN has notified the state and that is how they know about it and these employees have been charged not ACCORN except in NV where the out come is still pending. Interesting I have never written one word on the vote problem in Florida but you accuse me of that too, this is a minor problem but the conservative propaganda mill has worked their tales off to make this mole hill into a mountain and when all is said and done nothing major will come of it and Obama is wise to mainly ignore it as he has real problems to deal with and leave the petty stuff to you people to dwell on it. More your size anyhow.

      • American Citizen

        Smilee, he did say he knew nothing about it. He has paid no attention to ACORN since he was elected.

        • Smilee

          AC

          I heard both interviews, one with Obama and another with Charlie Gibson, and Obama did not say that, he was well aware of it, he just refused to make a mountain out of a mole hill like the conservatives did for political reasons, and he is right they only got 53 million over 15 years, less 3.5 million a year, that is pocket change in the federal budget and as Obama said he has real serious problems to deal with and was not going to bother with the petty things, he did say he supports congress holding hearings on it.

  • John

    Smileeboy, I think you are getting senile. Everytime I bring something up, you just disagree with it without showing any documentation. It’s been well known that this health care proposal has had a mandatory clause and penalty for non-compliance since the very beginning. Don’t try to say the Senate just inserted that during September. Remember, they were on recess in August. Why would they come back and make the bill even more controversial instead of trying to reach bipartisan accord? The mandatory clause was brought up many times during the democratic primary debates. Also, I checked your link for BO’s birth certificate. Way to go Smileeman, show a document at a 45 degree angle that no one can read. Here’s a better one:

    http://simmerdown3.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/barack-obama-birth-certificate_472x460.jpg

    Now please tell me again where it shows mother and father’s birthplaces, ages, and occupations and the name of the hospital he was supposedly born in (as my birth certificate from Hawaii does).

    • eyeswideopen

      John, just for info, what year were you born? Can you post a copy of yours here for us to see?

      • John

        Sorry, I will not be victimized by identity theft with such a clear ID as my birth certificate. All I’m saying is mine has a lot more information on it than the one being shown on Google et al as Obama’s. No offense meant to you, eyeswideopen.

        • eyeswideopen

          John, what year was yours issued? The Repub governor, said something about changing the documents. I just wondered what year yours was.

    • Smilee

      John

      First. Senator Baucus did not release his mark up until a little over a week ago and that was in September and this was the first written document released in the senate so I guess you are wrong. There have been oodles of interviews, discussions, and debates for a long time on the subject of mandates and fees but nothing in writing until now, this is his mark up and it amounts to the first draft, he has already changed it himself and it is in committee and I understand there are over 500 amendments that will considered and no one knows how many of them will be approved and change things again. What is is about a WORK IN PROGRESS you do not understand, maybe there will be a fee to get out of the mandate maybe it will not I guess we will have to wait and see won’t we. About the birth certificate, I guess you did not look at my link to factchek.org (mix it up with someone else’s) or you would have known there were several angles shown and you could enlarge the birth certificate and read both sides,very clear and illustrative. It is the best one I have seen and I have seen the one you linked to before. I again looked at yours and it is not near as clear by comparison. Hawaii does not include the information you want to see on the certificate and why is that important as it really is not relevant to where he was born and that is the issue that conservatives keep raising. Your state could be different too, when I went on SS I had to have a birth certificate that had the official seal as Hawaii also requires as this is considered now as proof of authenticity of the document, when I was born it was not and that was the one I had but that was not accepted by SS so I had to order a new one,(in 2003) the new one has less information than the one the state issued in the year I was born, laws change maybe that is what has you confused, nothing you say in this post of yours further illuminates anything and just gives further proof of your lack of understanding on both of these issues

  • chuck b

    smilee

    in reference to your reply about the ranking of our healthcare status in the world. the next time you need extreme medical care hop on the first flight to anyone of those 37 countries. i would not consider anything the “who” or some of our colleges say in this regard, i, from personal experience know better. some areas of our country may have serious problems with their medical services, this is only going to get worse, the illegal immigrants in some cases are stretching our abilities to the limits, mexico has natl healthcare yet the mexicans are streaming here for there needs, are they one of the 37 nations? i know canadians who have come here for care that they can’t receive in their own country, it seems they have that same type of healthcare that your leader wants you to have. i do not bow to the un or any of its organizations like the who, they are for the most part run by 3rd world nations and their countries haven’t invented the light bulb yet. and the colleges you mention are probably spewing the hate america now crowd. now your democratic colleague’s h

  • chuck b

    SMILEE

    ave refused the republicans request to show this healhcare bill 72 hours before they vote on it (when its finalized) this sounds very familiar doesn’t it.

    • Smilee

      Chuck

      Why would I go to another country I have the government plan called Medicare and I can and do go to the Mayo Clinic, In Minnesota and we have many that go to Canada for medical care because without insurance it is about 40% cheaper there and those that go say it is very good care and they do not wait. I know you never deal in facts and you can excuse all the experts findings you want but you can never know if they are wrong you only choose to believe that because of your ignorance and stupidly, FACTS are FACTS Illegals at most make up 12 million out of 320 million, it is a problem but from a financial perspective it is quite small, many illegals who work here get ins. form their employer’s and some buy it themselves the rest only get it at the ER unless the state has a law they can get medicaid but they are not suppose to. There is no health bill as yet so no one can see it. Funny because that is what the republicans did in 2003 when they snuck the Medicare bill through in the wee hours of the morning and held the board open for over two hours while they twisted arms to get enough votes to pass so if it ends up that why I guess they got what they deserved.

      • eyeswideopen

        OOOOOOOOO good idea for the Dem’s have vote early in am, heh heh…lol

  • chuck b

    smilee

    you liberals are all the same. if someone doesn’t buy your socialist garbage they are stupid and ignorant. your estimate of illegal’s is pure conjecture. we probably have that many in california. this state is in deep trouble and the biggest part of it has been caused by the liberal demo’s controlling this state and illegal immigration. obama’s healthcare bill if they push it through will only make it worse. my friends in canada do not agree with your assessment of the canadian health care.

    • eyeswideopen

      Chuck, part of your problem is when Regan made 2.7 million illegals, US citizens. They just happen to live in Calf.

    • Smilee

      That figure is not mine but the most used estimate by those in the know, the fact you think you know more than them only makes that true in your mind and not a fact. I believe your assessment of California is not correct there are many reasons for their problems one factor is their referendum laws and many of the silly laws that came into being through them that method and handicaps the government from dealing with problems in a rational manner. And both parties have done stupid things not just liberals. I have several friends and relatives who live in Canada, in fact my first cousin lives there and works in the health care field and she and they all tell me what you say is pure BS, one friend and shirt tale relative who grew up in the same home town as me got transferred up there when he was a young man and had planned to move back to the US when he retired but when the time came he decided against it because of the lack of quality and high cost of US medical care. I talked to him last summer and we discussed this and he said they have terrific heath care and preferring to ours and he comes to that conclusion by talking with his many friends and family in the US, in fact his whole family lives in the US. When I talk to my friends and relatives in the UK and Norway they all think we are nuts to deliver health care as we do and they too know first hand how a better system works and love their own system. It is interesting that the only people you hear criticize every other countries heath care system are the conservatives in this country who use all kind of silly facts to try and sell it. I suppose you can find some in Canada that do not like their system but I would not be surprised if it only exist in you mind to serve your conservative prejudices . Polls taken in Canada this summer by two newspapers asking which of the two systems they would prefer if they had the choice, one poll was 81% preferring the Canadian plan the other 82% preferring the Canadian plan. Them numbers sure shoot down your claims that they do not like their system and that it is as bad as you say. You need to research with an open mind to come to an objective conclusion.

    • Babydayliner

      You conservatives don’t do any research. Every thing is here say or Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Illegals already get health service in the form of emergency care. It’s immoral not to provide emergency care to illegals if their in this country. If you needed emergency care in a foreign country you wouldn’t want to be denied health service, I wouldn’t think? Let’s not confuse Immigration laws with Health care reform. Illegals are not covered, for regular health coverage, look up the actual health bill on the internet. Something with a dot gov at the end. Last thing, I work for USPS, I’m a federal employee that recieves FEHB (Federal Employee Health Benefits), same as The President of U.S., the Senate, and Congress. FEHB is basically a public option run by the government. I’ve worked in the private sector before, the benefits plus the premiums don’t come close to FEHB. Look it up FEHB is far superior. All those crazy myths you hear is not true. Never had the government intervene between me and my doctor. That is so ludacris. This is the Health Care Reform that President Obama wants for all U.S. Citizens and Alien Residents. (Alien Residents are legal) Stop defending the insurance companies.

      • chuck b

        baby

        you must be a relative of smilee and eyes, the three of you must indulge in smoking too much dummy dust. smilee has all the answers for california’s problem, its not illegals, its just too many crazy laws, the problems started when the democrats started passing all these crazy laws and affording illegals every kind of welfare plan going and of course you can’t count out all those whacko environmental laws they imposed on us (spotted owls killed our lumber industry) and they could always find a endangered fly or rat to impede someone’s industry. now you tell me good ol’ obama is going to give us the same kind of healthcare plan you have as a postal worker,(another govt run failed agency) ask your congressman if he will accept the same plan your leader wants to impose on us. its almost hysterical to read what you three write, its no wonder this country is in such a mess when we have this kind of logic running our country. what has your great leader gave you so far, nothing, nothing and nothing, but he does plan on allowing you to pay more tax. i hope the demos are arrogant enough to push this bill thru, then maybe people will come to their senses and remove these people from office.

        • eyeswideopen

          WEll. Chuck, if he hasn’t done anything, why are you all so mad? First you say his policies are ruining this country and then you say he hasn’t done anything.. ..please, please make up your mind. It is a fragile thing.

      • Smilee

        Thanks for the post, it is nice to see someone here tell it like it really is rather that having to try an address the conservative spin we are constantly lambasted with. You also got chuckie so confused he is now out chasing bats and spotted owls and revealing his confusion is his screwy analysis.

      • eyeswideopen

        Baby, what is so astounding is that, if an old fart such as myself, can get around on the internet, you would think, that they would at least try to get facts to back up their statements. I think the Repub leader talking points is all they get off of Fox. Murdoch is brilliant as his sheep are in step all the way to the slaughter house. He has built himself a money machine using the un-informed and it will take years to come back from his type of politics.

  • Julian H

    Last time I checked, if it walked like a duck, had feathers like a duck, quacked like a duck than it was a Duck. Mr. Obama has made so many lies his pants must be burning in Hades. As to the “Race Card” wake up people. Politicians make their money lying to the people. In this case the man lied enough to get into the presidency. However, 2010 is very near, and I think he knows his power-base will be destroyed after that election. Hence he will do whatever it takes to push through poorly drafted, and socialist legislation. The people still have power, now they need to exert it!

    • eyeswideopen

      Julian, Ok champ, let’s see you name the lies. On your mark, get set, go!!!!! You can just list them for us and they we can fact check them. No one on this site has been able to list them, they just make generalizations about him lying. So, tag, you are it…

  • John

    Hey do any of you people out there on either side of the aisle have any sense of humor at all?? Do you always take everything so seriously? You have to hold the politicians in whatever your party is in awe and reverence, don’t you? Now I’ve found myself being pissed at myself for becoming just what an ex-coworker from the far left had become. I never paid much attention to politicians (except to impersonate them), being more interested in music, photography, and sports. Until this poor fool kept leaving me his propaganda on my desk everyday, turning me off more and more by the minute. I did not ask for this literature, or encourage it. I thanked God I’m a more creative type than he. That’s the spark that keeps me going, not politics. Look, seriously folks, odds are no one here is going to change the other person’s mind in the slightest. It’s a waste of what could have been creative energy. Therefore, this is my last post here.
    Goodbye all, enjoy your lives. PALIN 2012 !

  • Smilee

    Bye John

    Folks take a look at this, most plans pay real good unless you really get sick and then this is very common, I’ve known many and of many more.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKI9be55N00

  • Smilee

    Interesting letter to the editor:

    By JAN RABBERS

    Sick for Profit

    It is a harrowing picture that medical-device CEOs Bill Hawkins and Ray Elliott paint of Minnesota’s economic backbone collapsing under the weight of excessive taxes (“A message to the president on health care,” Sept. 12). My heart would break if it weren’t already in distress for the millions of Americans who suffer because the free-market system is reaping excessive profits at the expense of our health.
    As a former industry insider, I remember many years when I purchased Rolex watches to reward our overachieving sales personnel, who were bestowed their bounty during ceremonies at gilded resorts amid palm trees and ocean breezes. I witnessed a tuxedoed armada of sales and marketing representatives playing host to 5,000 convention attendees being treated to lavish buffets, open bars and performances by high-priced entertainment.
    Minnesota may have the best example of delivering cost-effective, quality health care, but we also provide one of the most egregious examples of health care capitalism gone awry. Something is very wrong when a board of directors is so far removed from economic reality that it votes time and again to take millions of dollars from the many to give to a few, like William McGuire.
    UnitedHealth Group is not the only example, unfortunately, of unmonitored health care corporations making bad, embarrassing decisions. Remember, only eight years have passed since the discovery of Allina Health System’s foolish executive-reward system of crystal vases and elaborate golf outings. Today, still, hospitals are spending money on lobbies garnished with fireplaces and fountains, as core, hands-on care delivery personnel are jettisoned.
    Average annual salaries for drug company CEOs hover around the $14 million mark. Almost certainly, the medical device industry is not far behind.
    Hardworking families have tried to save for contingencies. But it is not uncommon now to either raid the retirement account or go bankrupt when our health — and insurance coverage — fail us. Minnesota’s governor hisses that it is our individual responsibility to plan for these emergencies. We didn’t bargain, however, on having to pay for health care that includes costs driven up by gifts of Rolexes and free gin.
    There is plenty of money in health care. Medical device, drug and insurance companies and even beloved providers, however, have not been wise stewards of the health care dollar.
    Take your medicine, boys; it’s good for all of us.
    Jan Rabbers is a Twin Cities-based writer who worked nine years as a marketing communications manager with a device manufacturer.

    • chuck b

      smilee

      this article sounds like something the daily worker would publish, hmm!
      you like to complain about all the corrupt insurance companies, whats the difference than the corruption in your democratic party it sounds just like them.

      • Smilee

        The article I posted is all TRUE, your response is total BS

  • Rich

    Hey Smilee tell me how the government is any different? They continue to vote themselves raises, even in bad financial times. Presidents are NOT held accountable for any of the crimes they commit, case in point former President Clinton not only broke a federal law by have sexual relations with a federal employee, had she not been an employee then no law would have been broken, but he lied under oath committing purgery, yet we are still pay him an enormous amount of tax money to house secret service agents at his multi-million dollar home. We have Senators and Congressmen committing tax fraud yet they are not held accountable. Yet you want me to trust them with running my health care? The elected officials we have are not all like this but it is rampant. Yes I agree that there are fundamental flaws in our currently regulated health care industry, yet the cost of health care has soared since our esteemed leaders decided they needed to get involved and regulate the industry to the breaking point. Ensuring their buddies would get rich off the backs of the common man. Want to really fix health care, first you need to fix the cause of the current health care issues which are mostly caused by bad government regulations (not all of them), false claims of malpractice by sheisty lawyers, ensuring that health care insurance providers are not able to drop people for illnesses that happen while on the plan through proper regulations, and so forth. Government takeover, a government option whatever you want to call it is the only part of HR3200 and subsequent bills with a government provided insurance are the only parts I am totally against, as many who have posted prior are. Am I with you on making it more affordable, YES, am I for ensuring that they can not drop you when your sick, YES, am I for many of the reforms that have been proposed YES! The best health insurance I personally have ever had was from a company named Phoenix out of GA, it was awesome, for lack of a better word. Unfortunately I moved from GA to another state and now have another group insurance though not as good is probably the best I know of where I live. If the government would deregulate interstate limitations on Health Insurance, and I were able to afford it, I would so go back to that companies insurance plan. What needs to happen is that the government needs to remember WHO they work for and that is us, the PEOPLE!

    Why is it that we get hung up in this debate on 1 or 2 issues? There are many issues that can be addressed and fixed, while leaving those issues our of the current bill, coming back to them later. No of course not we have to do ‘ALL OF IT NOW DAMN IT!’. Why? You show there are issues, which can be addressed in the previous post by things most Americans from the right, left or middle can agree on, why don’t we address those immediately rather than making the things we can agree on wait for the things we can’t? Ther are valid points on both sides the only one you will never in a million years sell me personally and most of the American people on is that the government can do it better, yea as soon as that is true monkies will be flying out of every politicians rear end, allowing for peace love and happiness for all man kind, the heavens will align and we will live in a Utopian world.

    • Smilee

      Clinton was never charged with any of the crimes you say he committed so we only have your word he is guilty. Not very reliable is it. What you are quoting is what the conservative propaganda mill has always said but never could ever show any proof of. At the very least one would think you would know that consensual adult sex is not against the law. These are the same conservatives who voted to impeach Clinton and failed miserably in that effort as well y because it was also based on total lies. The did not even get a majority vote in the senate and the republicans where in the majority there at the time. Again no rational thinking person was in doubt of this outcome and laughed their butts off at these conservatives making a fool of themselves.

      • chuck b

        smilee
        clinton wasn’t impeached for consenual sex, “IT WAS FOR LYING UNDER OATH”
        the conservatives didn’t want clinton impeached, guess who would have been president. your greenie idol “al gore”, even clinton with all his troubles was a better choice. now we have one that is even more controversial. a man that has never served his country in any military branch, never ran a business,educated by foreign assistance and government dole. does not show respect to the flag only when forced too,caters to communistic type dictators, is probably a muslim, has ran up the biggest deficit in history and trying to con the poor people of this country with a health bill that will be detrimental to there well being. this is your choice aren’t you proud!!

        • Smilee

          IMPEACHMENT!! CLINTON FOUND NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS, chuck WHAT PART OF NOT GUILTY DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. If those republicans lawyers failed to get a conviction and kick him out of office, I think it best you not try and re-argue the case here, you are way out of your league and off base on this.

          • David Hall

            That’s right. Bill Clinton didn’t have sex with that woman and didn’t
            inhale, either! But lied, like a dog.

          • Smilee

            David

            None of the items you mention where a part of the impeachment proceedings so they are irrelevant, lets face it the republicans screwed that up really bad and coming out looking like idiots.

      • Rich

        Smilee you are so out of touch with reality it is insane. He broke a federal law that stated no federal employee may have sexual relations with a junior federal employee. Further he lied while under oath. He was impeached and unlike in the case of Nixon was allowed to continue his presidency. yet, no one ever prosecuted him in the legal system, congress is not the legal system the courts are. Which is the exact point I made. Nixon is the only high raking public official I am aware of where actual legal charges were brought forth and prosecuted. I said they are not held accountable to the same laws you and I are, which is the case for Mr. Clinton. When all of this went down I was overseas in the military, so guess what the news I got was scrubbed by the military, so it was not liberal nor conservative, it was just news. No slant no opinion, and my only reaction was why is the president not being held accountable legally like all of the people are, isn’t he supposed to be. I even spoke about that with a co-worker not long ago, and his response was that we need to protect the president at all costs. I don’t agree with that and believe that members of congress, senate and the president should be held accountable for any and all laws they break.

      • Rich

        Smilee, I went back and read my entire post and if that is all you got you are a complete retard that has nothing better to do than start arguments because of you pathetic life. Go back to the liberal boards where they love and understand you idiotic and irrational beliefs that I should give a crap about you as a person when your nothing more than a cry baby.

  • Rich

    Wow Smilee if you think that Joe Wilson was a liar about illegals not being covered in HR 3200 your either 1. a complete moron, 2. never read it fully, or 3. being a good little democratic mouth piece. Personally I think it is number 2 for you because you have started to show true thought in your posts, but you decide. It states just as current law states that no one will be turned away from a hospital, regardless of ability to pay. T If that does not include both legal and illegal aliens then well keep your blinders on, preaching your falsehoods, or go read the bill for yourself. The language they used was most likely meant to include any American that does not have insurance, however whenever the language of not including illegal aliens/illegal immigrants has been raised it has been summarily shot down.

    • Normal Guy

      So if an american shows up without proper ID then they should not be treated? Does this mean that everyone needs to have identity papers so that we can assure that they are american? If someone collapses in the street they come in and don’t have papers then they should be denied treatment?

      The reality is that anyone who needs treatment, receives treatment, following treatment they are evaluated and if they are not covered they are billed. That is what is done now so this is not some sort of policy shift. It is just recognition that if you require treatment in an emergency you get it regardless of who you are. After treatment if you are not an american you are billed. If you are illegal and destitute then, just as would happen now, the system would absorb a bad debt. If it is someone who is in the states and not destitute they are billed for services rendered.

      There will be no ability for illegals to recieve regular treatment or schedule surgeries etc. That is stated clearly in HR3200 – no coverage for non-americans. The difference is that now all americans can receive proper medical treatment and access to the regular medical system.

      What a stupid argument by the right. The libertarians are all about personal freedoms but the argument here is that the government must make sure that everyone has identity papers to assure that no illegals are here, that in emergency situations they can be denied basic human decency. Strange argument.

      • Smilee

        Rich does not understand it, he just repeats what the conservative propaganda mill tells to say, and they lie, lie, lie, that’s how they keep these dittoheads in lock step with their agenda

    • Smilee

      I did read HR3200 and it is clear from your post you have not, It would be illegal to use any government money to furnish insurance to illegals and that is exactly what Barrack said he wanted in the final bill, he was not speaking to any bill an Joe was, Joe just was not listening and unless Joe is a mind reader he can’t possible know if Obama lied, and in addition he lied about HR3200 by first saying it did allow it and later no it did not , then changed his position and said it did not have a enforcement mechanism in the bill and that is what he was really talking about. He flip flopped, Rich do not you know you have to have a law before you can enforce it, so Joe had know it was there, irational thinking people saw through this phone but as I said before any lie that works for conservatives they will use and ever when the proof is there they ignore it and repeat the lie.

    • eyeswideopen

      Rich, Joe wilson is a liar as he voted for Medicare Advantage, which has a provision in it to pay hospitals for illegal immigrants care. He is also a liar about being an immigration lawyer. He isn’t. State of S.C. confirmed that…So, Joe is just a liar.

  • redhawk

    Dee,
    Please don’t let your two remaining live brain cells get in the way of your Idiotic posts… Really!

  • redhawk

    PS>
    Transparency??? Yes in the Dark of Night!!!
    Afghanistan… The Real Battle.. well like I always say.. Not anynmore!
    Gitmo… Like I always say.. Duhhh what am I gonna do now?/ Please Eric and Michelel bail me out I kikinda screwd this one BIG TIME!!!
    ” if you like your Insurance plan you can keep it” .. Now Baucus change the message and screw the Elderly, they are no longer paying taxes anyhow!
    ; Like I always say” what was it that I said on this topic last time?/ Wherte is the Teleprompter now???

    And where was I born??? Well It wasn’t Harvard!!!

    When Union Speak.. Obama goes Spineless….
    VOTE EM ALL OUT I say!!!

    • eyeswideopen

      Redhawk, nay, the dead of night is when the Repubs passed the Medicare advantage bill in 2003… that is their style.

  • Rich

    eyes,

    I never said Joe Wilson was not a liar only in this instance was he not lieing, he is a politician after all and they all lie.

    Smilee,

    I have read the bill for your information. I never said what it said was wrong only pointed out what it does say. You like to tear people down because of your feelings of inadequecy feelings don’t you? Get a grip, just because it says that does not mean it is wrong or right, only that in this instance Joe Wilson is right and Obama is wrong. Now go to another bill like the one being introduced in the senate and then the tables would be turned completely. Id did state it would be illegal to do exactly what you said, but as very brilliantly pointed out above by Normal Guy without the wording then a person that does legally have the right to that health care could be turned down without proper ID. Did I say it was right or wrong? No I don’t believe I did say that, I merely pointed out what it actually stated in accordance with hospitals. Did I agree with it (the wording of the bill), yes and no, why well to be honest the valid point of misplaced or not having ID on you could get you no treatment in an emergency situation. On the other hand it costs the American taxpayer for every illegal treated. This is a touchy subject that I am not willing to wade into as to what is right or wrong, as no matter the choice made there are consequences that can cause someone to lose their life. Do I care how it is worded with reference to hospitals, yes, but not to the extent that the Republicans want it to be. I know for a fact that many illegal aliens are carrying identification stating they are here legally or even US citizens, so they will slip through the cracks anyways. Just because someone points something out, you think they want or believe the way of someone else does automaticly, well guess what, I agree and disagree with this particular wording so can not honestly argue for or against it, and only point out what the documents state and the arguments that have been made are.

    • Smilee

      I will cut and paste what Joe Wilson was referring to and later changed his mind to the amendments he proposed to it, that failed, these would have provided for enforcement of this law not make it legal for them to get insurance, which Joe now has acknowledged does exist in the bill but because he claims without enforcement you cannot insure that some illegals will slip to the cracks he says Obama lied, and Obama did not even mention a bill, Just that this would have to be in the final bill and unless JOE or any of the rest of you can read Obama’s mind you cannot say he was lying because you have nothing but his words to reference it to. He has no bill in writing. Spin in any way he you like but the FACT is it was JOE who lied that night. I realized you now took your argument off topic and I have not previously addressed that on here I will not do it here either as it has nothing to do with the topic of this conversation that Chip wrote and described incorrectly as well and now you ditto him and took the topic in areas not addressed here. In fact in your second post you acknowledge I am correct and then proceeded to take it off topic into areas I have not addressed in here and have nothing to do with this topic I have been addressing. Where you took it does not change that fact that JOE lied.

      Item in question, cut and pasted from HR3200

      3 SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
      4 ALIENS.
      5 Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
      6 for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
      7 not lawfully present in the United States.

    • David Hall

      Rich, I agree. I tried, tried & tried to tell em, that they all lie.
      Good luck on your crusade of convincing them. I’m blind and just can’t
      see the halo’s over the dems and republican, heads.

  • Rich

    Smilee, your right on the insurance part of the bill, but read it again in reference to hospital refusing treatment for not having insurance, which for your information is already law and why E.R.s are so overcrowded by the poor and illegals in many places. Does this make it right? No. Does it make it wrong? No. Only the truth, which is something many in the Democratic and Republican parties seem adverse to. That is one of the reasons that the Republicans are up in arms over it. Who do you think pays for that, Santa Claus, a Blue Fairy maybe? Taxpayers do, that is who, and that is the only portion of HR3200 that would account or allow for an illegal to be treated, nowhere else in the bill does it state anything except what you have pointed out.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Ok, lets talk liars: Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Howard Dean, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, John Edwards, Chuck Shummer, Charles Rangel, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Al Gore. Need I go on? All the above have lied and lied and lied and the national media left wing propaganda networks of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC have all given them a pass, simply for one reason and one reason only – THEY ARE ALL DEMOCRATS AND THE DEMOCRATS OWN THE PRESS. Yes, you want to talk liars, lets talk these guys, and gals.

    • Normal Guy

      Lets talk liars cont.

      Joe Wilson, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Condolezza Rice, Richard Shelby, Jeff Sessions, Lisa Murkowski, John McCain, Chuck Grassley, Pat Roberts, Lindsey Graham, Orrin Hatch, Tom DeLay, Newt Gingrich, Eric Cantor….Need I go on.

      What a stupid post a list of names and they are all liars because I say so. If you have something to say say it – listing people and just labelling them is ignorant. Prove it or shut up!

      Something like Cheney saying there was no doubt that there were weapons of mass destruction, George Bush’s “mission accomplished” or Joe Wilson claiming to be a lawyer or that Obama is a liar.

      Here is how an arguement works -The text of Obama’s statement is:

      “There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally” (at which point dopey republican reactionary boy yells out you lie)

      The key here is “would not insure illegal immigrants” if someone gets treatment in emergency, they are not getting insurance, they are getting emergency treatment just like they would anywhere in the world. If they have no insurance or resources this would get written off. THEY WOULD NOT GET INSURANCE. That is what he said it is not a lie it is accurate.

      Your paranoia regarding the media is typical extremist ignorance. If you want a world view go to BBC, CBC, read Australian publications. The position that you take is generally considered by the global media to be right wing propaganda and ignorant. It is not just by the media in the US.

      The only media channels that hold the views popular on this blog are Fox, Limbaugh, Coulter etc. Reactionary narrow-minded simplistic arguments based on not facts, just rhetoric. Pitiful really, its like supermarket tabloid trash for the news – go learn something by doing some research rather than the mindless pulp you have clearly been feeding on.

      • chuck b

        unnormal guy

        what a joke you are, the world media is something we should consider along with this communist type media we have in this country. thats your problem pal. and joe wilson had it right or he wouldn’t have upset you liberals so much, obama never read the bill and yet he calls anyone a liar if they confront him about it. that bill you socialist refer to isn’t even readable that the average person could make sense of it. just ask any of your democratic affiliates, most of them can’t understand it. the bill doesn’t say the illegals couldn’t be covered, and your glorious leader will give them healthcare with the anmesty bill he is destined to sign, get it!! and your leader was ready to ram this down your liberal throat. this leadership in our congress and senate is beyond comprehension, we couldn’t be more poorly represented. and i don’t give a darn what these 3rd world nations think. please tell us all these actual facts that the rest of us are to ignorant to understand and all these facts that are in this healthcare legislation that you and a couple of other liberals comment about and quote as they are facts. then call your congressman and senator and tell them, they don’t seem to know.

        • Normal Guy

          You are clearly brain dead.

          I have read the bill it is not impossible to understand. The bill states that they will not be insured – clear and simple – emergency treatment has nothing to do with insurance.

          You are laughable when you try to explain anything, did you make it out of high school? Do you know what a socialist is? can you define it dopey boy? I am a full blown capitalist, own companies and trade all over the world, you I am betting are unemployed. Ignorant and stupid is no way to go through life.

          • Smilee

            Normal Guy, Beberoni & chuck b have proven time and time again on these sites they are clueless on almost any subjects they attempt to address and to any thinking person it is totally clear they are failures saying anything intelligent.

          • chuck b

            unnormal

            since you read the bill and understand it why don’t you call obama and help him out he seems to be having problems explaining it along with some of your fellow democrats. of course you and smilee are the tower of intellegence, i guess that comes from reading and listening to the world media. you sound like an illegal to me. what i mean by illegal is your age. grow up.

          • Smilee

            OOPS!! Included Normal Guy by mistake

        • eyeswideopen

          Chuck , check out these sites:
          http:www.medicarerights.org/issues-actions/asclepios/2008_48.html
          http:www.youdebate.com/DEBATES/congress_corporate_welfare.HTM
          http:www.cato.org/testimony/ct-Sm063099.html

          • chuck b

            eyes
            thanks for the info.

      • Rich

        Normal Guy,

        I do read BBC, right wing, left wing, main stream and a few other news places and make up my own mind as all of them are slanted in accordance with their media standards. Most BBC is slanted left, they call Neo-Nazi’s right wingers, yet if you read their doctrine they are clearly left wingers with a bad case of idiot thrown in. Insured for emergency or insured for non-emergency is insured, did anyone other than the news media state that language needs changed? No I don’t think they did, the only portion of HR3200 I am completely against as many who post here are is the Government option for insurance. It contains language which just as an HMO allows for bean counters (accountants) to make medical decisions on your behalf, the government could not manage their way out of an open cardboard box and this is on purpose by the founders of the country in order to maintain a balance of power rather than efficiency. I could go on with this but what is the point you clearly embrace all lies spewed on NBC. Hell wasn’t it MSNBC that stated that a black man carrying an assault rifle was a white racist? Is it wrong to give emergency services picked up on the dime of the people, no it isn’t. Is it wrong to continually lie, misrepresent and mislead, YES! Hell I defended Obama as not being a liar, on his raising the import fees on tires, because when he stated he would not raise taxes, which in reality he has no power over other than to veto it, it was in regards to personal income taxes for people making under $250,000 (figure may be wrong as that number has changed several times). I don’t care how big or small a lie is, it is still a lie, period. Is Joe Wilson better than Obama, emphatically NO! He is just as bad as Obama or any of the other self serving %$#*&%%%# we currently have as elected officials save a couple. The only ones I can name off hand that work for their districts are Snowe and Paul. They happen to be republican yes, but neither follows party guidelines and votes based on what their respective districts want, end of story. Both have voted against or for things against the party status quo. Snowe comes from a district that is primarily Democrat, yet she still keeps getting elected, I wonder why?

        • Normal Guy

          Un-insured and treated does not mean insured. If you do not have insurance it means – YOU DON”T HAVE INSURANCE – The doctors Hippocratic oath binds them to treat the ill whether they are paid or not. Basic human decency says you aid those in dire need. Insurance means that you have the coverage provided by the provider, it covers medical treatment, checkups, treatment surgery etc. – Not just emergency situations. How dim are you making this argument about insurance, read it – clearly you are wrong.

          Facism – Naziism is the extreme right only the dim bulbs on threads like these think that Nazi’s were socialists. Do some research, the right wing is about focusing on the individuals not the general population. A dictator is a fascist – focusing the states power on the ruling party. Socialism is about the structured distribution of all wealth to the citizens communism is the extreme socialist position it is totalitarian control, the state subjugates the people. The extreme right and the extreme left are very close to each other, the population is subjugated to the state. Ultra nationalists have always proven to be dangerous. Opinionated extreme positions allow people to reach ridiculous conclusions based on their simplistic world views.

          You clearly don’t know how public health systems work, beauracrats are not involved in treatment options. I have lived in Canada, I have lots of friends in Canada. Your Fox provided opinions are wrong. Doctors determine what would be best for the patient and accountants are never consulted, the Canadian System could be way better but the idea that it is worse than the US is ignorant. It uses 10% of GDP the highest behind the US which is at 16% of GDP, and the Canadian system has superior results.

          In regard to the US political system, I think it is the best in the world. The Libertarian crap is a joke. Where in this world is there an example of this form of government? Nowhere – and the reason is that it is a great concept that individual liberty should be defended, but as a form of government it is ridiculous. There are many reasons why and the documentation and analysis is extensive but for a single example – property rights are completely unregulated and ownership is a basic right. Unfortunately as wealth is accumulated by the financially gifted and ultimately a small percentage of the population owns all the land you end up with a monarchy. A concentration of the vast majority of the wealth will shift and when that occurs they have control. It is a problem with the libertarian model.

          All politicians are not evil lying losers and all media is not filled with conspirators and liars. The world is filled with good people that wish to serve and inform. I disagree with lots of them, that does not make them the ultimate evil. Some are extreme and some are scum, just like every other human group, but overall the system is the best in the world.

  • Normal Guy

    Upchuck

    Just because you don’t understand something does not mean that no one understands it.

    Just because you don’t understand something does not mean that you should oppose it.

    How you can claim that Obama and the democrats don’t unerstand is beyond me – have you spoken to them? Or did you hear that on Fox? It sounds like you go through life amazed and confused by what you don’t know.

    Like I said before. pitiful, but kind of sad.

    • chuck b

      un normal

      you, smilee.

      get it through your pea brain, there is no bill, the repub’s wanted the demos to exhibit the bill when they get it done so the world could admire their work and they refuse to do so. so what are you reading comic books? what you are reading is probably the first one and thats a no go and the one they are working on will probably go the same way, hopefully. put the pot down and look at world differentl.

      • Smilee

        That post must of came out of your pea brain, seems you’ve become speechless and have run out of any thought much less intelligent thought which I have never been able to detect in any of your posts anyway.

        • chuck b

          smilee

          you and your me to buddy un normal sound like a couple of retired civil employees, “you know the socialist type” what can the govt. give me today! your so in to your own self importance and self inflicted mental capability you are easy prey for someone like obama, he dwells on your ignorance and those like you. so keep reading the union talking points and maybe some day you will graduate to the idiot level.

  • Normal Guy

    UpChuck

    You simpleton. Attacking me and Smilee based on your baseless assumptions is perfect for your clearly ignorant view of the world. If you don’t know anything about someone or something just make it up and fill in the blanks with your own delusional paranoid crap.

    Ignorant stupid and opinionated morons are a problem for America. Learn something rather than just making crap up – you know nothing about me, you know nothing about economics, and you should respect education not resent it. I think it is really interesting to read the gartbage that the ignorant right wing zealots spew. You are proudly narrowminded and the myopic, you are the problem, stop hurting America.

    • chuck b

      un normal

      you can always tell the intelligence level of people when they resort to calling other’s names, so i would say you are a little low on the rung. for your info the nazi party was the national “socialist” party of germany, your kind of socialism is the stepping stone to marxism, look up the agenda that your grand and glorious leader is trying to push thru it kind of looks like socialism to me. you can keep the canadian healthcare, i know better. socialism doesn’t work and never has, all these countries you admire are mostly socialistic and for some reason they all have their hand out to the u.s. the reason socialism won’t work, without competition people become complacent (govt-state employment)and will not carry an equal burden. we have almost as many now employed by the govt as private industry, our schools are for the most part a disaster due to the poor quality of teachers and the invasion of liberalism in the classroom due to unionism (socialism). obama is only a talking puppet for the socialist democrats and the wealthy people behind them. so i will say that it is of your ilk that is causing our country to fall into the quicksand of marxism.

      • Normal Guy

        UpChuck

        You are almost immeasurably stupid. Yes the Nazi party was called the national socialist party. There political position was modeled on the extreme right wing fascist state in Italy. Can you understand that the name has little to do with the political position? Fascism is not about equal distribution of wealth it is about concentration of power under the boot of the military. Nazism is much closer to the extreme right poison stuff you spew than to socialism.

        Your ignorance regarding the rest of the world is typical of the ignorant position you take. The world is not all Marxists trying to destroy the US. It is a glorious fascinating world. I do business all over and capitalism is alive and well. Cultures in Europe and Asia are fascinating and wonderful. You are so ridiculously insulated in your ignorance it is pitiful.

        Again you know nothing about me and you have not got a clue about what socialism is. I am a full blown successful capitalist. I own a restaurant and a digital signage business. I happen to agree with Warren Buffet that those that have in this country can and should pay more taxes to help keep the country strong. I will certainly pay more than you because your ignorance is a sure sign that you don’t earn much (an assumption on my part but it does seem quite clear that you don’t really understand how the world works).

        A civil society is a worthy goal, There are dozens of arguments and ideas regarding social adjustments based on global trade and technological innovations. Economic models and practices adapt to growth and change. The luddite attitude that you espouse is typical of those incapable of adjusting to inevitable change. Go hide, maybe someone will save you.

        • chuck b

          un normal

          i would guess the world you live in is all rosy and capitalism is alive and well, it sounds to me like you are working in the kitchen of a state mental health hospital. yes i think you and the other democrats should pay more tax, great idea. and you keep the change you refer too,
          most americans aren’t buying this idea after looking at it for the past eight month;s. when you find time between washing dishes and video games, look up the socialist/marxist agenda of soviet russia and see if that reminds you of the democratic platform, it sure is close and how does a big captalist like you survive. i’d bet your a long haired pot smoking college student that hasn’t grown up yet or maybe one of those pseudo intellectual teacher drop outs from the sixties.

          • Normal Guy

            UpChuck

            You are an expert on the Soviets and Marxist. Enlighten me, where are the parallels with the democratic platform?

            Oh just for reference The Soviet Union was a Totalitarian State, the far left equivalent of the far right fascists. Now you have a starting point lay out the comparable points. I can’t wait for the quality of this explanation.

            You are unemployed and uneducated aren’t you? The depths of your ignorance makes you understandably aggressive. Have to blame someone for being a failure may as well be Obama.

          • David Hall

            Chuck, V E R Y W E L L P U T. Maybe, ole Norm, gets to go to the mental
            hospital and visit some of his liberal friends, and they all sit naked
            under a big oak-tree rolling a ball, back and forth to each other, sayin, wee! wee! wee! more than I know!

      • keith

        hah,yah got em backstepping!know they’re trying to defend each other!hah hah hah hah hah hah!!!what amazes me is they actually beleive each others mental mush,the russians must have released all the nuts in their looney bins and sent here!

  • chuck b

    un normal

    russia was run by the marxist bolsheviks until stalin came into power and changed the country into a toltalitarian communist regime in 1928.
    the demo party adopted lots of the marxist ideas relating to workers rights,homosexuality,separation of church & state, land reform and etc.
    if you are following what your great leader is doing and has, in the takeover of the banks, gm and giving part of it to the auto unions and now this healthcare fiasco you’ll have to agree there is some what of a parallel
    now as to employment, i am un employed, but, by choice. education? according to you i didn’t get enough and you may be right in that respect.

    • Normal Guy

      UpChuck

      Well I appreciate your effort but the problem is that you have not given examples of any parallels. You have given a three point history of the start of the Soviet Union with no examples of what the state did, and then you have listed the things that you think are socialist with the democrats and stated that there are parallels. You actually need to draw the parallels not just say they are there.

      So as an example just quickly before I go out to dinner with some friends. You state that the democrats have created a separation of church and state in fact that was something that was defined by Thomas Jefferson at the start of the union. I don’t recall the details of the letter that he sent to a clergyman but he made it clear that separation of church and state was a good idea. The Soviets on the other hand made religion illegal; this is a fundamental component of Marxism. Marx called religion the opiate of the people. He believed that the state and church had used religion to subjugate the population. Now unless you can prove that Obama is making religion illegal there is no parallel…get it.

      I am sorry that you understand so little but would urge you to do some real research (get away from right wing blogs and Fox) on your beliefs, do some research on the great depression and learn what happens when you have a systemic collapse. Bush and his crew brought the world to the edge of a financial implosion. Obama was forced to deal with a near disaster, not of his making.

      • chuck b

        un norma

        like i said before you are nothing more than a misguided college student or a throw back from the sixties.
        what do you want me to do write an essay on communism. i have read about russia and communism before you were born. if you can’t see the parallel between the democratic platform and marxism, by the way marxism is not a party it’s a theory, socialism is the party and the stepping stone to communism, then you don’t want to see it and i believe that is the case. where did thomas jefferson and the church come into the conversation? that’s your conjecture about jefferson and the letter and i certainly don’t accept your misguided theory on that one. i don’t need to do research on the great depression i lived thru it, so don’t try to give me your definition of what happened and what the great fdr did for this country, he is the one that started the great social movement. a lot of people needed help and the government did a lot of good, but at the same time created an addiction to government hand out and it hasn’t stopped. your democratic congress is responsible for a lot of the trouble we are in right now (frank& dodd)and the leadership is the worse i have seen in my lifetime, bush and some of the republicans joined or were too weak to counter them and bush made some bad mistakes, the bank and auto industry bailouts were catastrophic, they should have gone bankrupt and obama should never interfered, he bailed the auto unions out and that was another mistake and they keep piling on. this president only wants a socialist run governmenmt and he will bow to the islamic world like he did the king of the saudi’s could it be he is one of them.

        • eyeswideopen

          Chuck, take a look at the 1916 Republican Party Platform http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu./ws/index.php?pid=29634

          Look at working program #15, 16, then look at Collective ownership sec. under the working program. This will surprise you.

          • chuck b

            eyes

            i will take a look at the information you note. please understand i am not defending what the republicans have done in the past, nor am i agreeing in any way what the democrats have and are doing. as a past republican they will have a hard time getting my support. in my estimation we have the most corrupt bunch of politicians now in our history, i would not support the libertarian’s, even though they do have some good ideas but, so do the socialists. you and i would probably disagree on most things, however, i did have fun tormenting you. (for your info i have been married 58 years and my wife and i have shared this life in fairness)i don’t like to get into these insulting comments and try to avoid calling people names (unless its joking). we are leaving on an extended vacation so i’ll comment on the repub thing when i get back. by the way you are a very well read person.

        • Normal Guy

          UpChuck

          Getting a bit bored with your misconceptions but here is the Jefferson reference. This is just from Wikipedia but there are hunders of references if you would like to actually learn something.

          “Reflecting a concept often credited in its original form to the English political philosopher John Locke [3], the phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to the letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as creating a “wall of separation” between church and state. The phrase was quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. This led to increased popular and political discussion of the concept.”

          Anyhow just about everything you state is wrong, you clearly have no clue what socialism is but your incapble of learning so who cares.

          Oh I graduated from university in 1976, and like I said own a digital signage company with 10 emplloyees and a restaurant with 25 employees. I make a good living have an outstanding wife who I love with all my heart. My home is beautiful and life rocks. But I am not surprised that your can’t understand that either.

          • chuck b

            un normal

            you definitely have some kind of complex problem, its nice for anyone to have a happy life, however, they don’t keep flaunting it, in almost every email you reiterate how much you have, i really don’t care and i certainly don’t envy you. having employed people for many years and owning a business has given me a different aspect of the problems we face with the type of government you seem to espouse and i don’t like it. socialism on its face would probably be a perfect governmenmt, however, show me where it has worked, people living under socialism become none productive, complacent, they lose ambition “unions” and end up living under a totalitarian regime. socialism is not what made this country great yet there are those like you that will continue to think you can make it work. now if you want an essay on socialism, just look up lenin, marx, thats a good starting point. as far as jefferson is concerned i do not argue what jefferson said in the letter, its the interpretation some have made over the years by the more atheist type thinking and i would interpret that would be yours. so be happy and enjoy may day when it rolls around, sing your praise’s to the glorious leader on your prayer mat.

          • keith

            whooptee frikken doo! a fancy education can’t buy COMMEN SENSE!which you seem to lack in abundance!talk about educated beyond your intelligence,keep thinking your marxist commie idol is doing you good,your just one of the brainfuzzed rats being led down the path of destruction and ruin by your lying radical piper,you’d have fit right in communist russia.your so deluded i feel their is no saving you,you are lost,but you will get a reality check in 2010!

  • TXSenior

    Maybe it’s time for Obama to apologize to Joe Wilson and then make Pelosi and her cohorts in the House to sanction Obama for his lies on the floor of the House and Senate! ! ! ! !

    • David

      Yee Haa!

    • eyeswideopen

      Tx, you are definately smoking some bad stuff.

  • DaveH

    From an email I received:

    If a conservative doesn’t like guns, they don’t buy one. If a liberal doesn’t like guns, then no one should have one.
    If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don’t eat meat. If a liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.
    If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy. A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
    If a conservative is homosexual, they quietly enjoy their life. If a liberal is homosexual, they loudly demand legislated respect.
    If a black man or Hispanic is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful. Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
    If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
    If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.
    If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church. A liberal wants any mention of God or religion silenced.
    If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his health care.

    • JeffH

      In a nutshell…

    • David Hall

      VERY WELL PUT!!

    • eyeswideopen

      Dave, what are you doing promoting the conservatives? The Libertarian party is much too liberal to be hand holding with the conservatives. Your party allows abortions, and gives gays the same rights as the straights. Conservatives? Come on Dave who are you trying to reel in?

    • eyeswideopen

      Now we have gone from the “Perfect Republicans” to the all bountiful and graceous Conservatives… When do you think those conservatives will want to declare war on Iran? Hell, it’s been eight years, probably about time to get out the big sticks again.
      If those Conservatives are doing everything so perfect why do you think they lost the election? Could it be that the rest of us are tired of them trying to stove their policies, religion, and radical thinking down our throats? Yup, could be the reason.

      • David Hall

        Eyes, it’s not a republican, or democrat THANG! If somebody, somewhere
        don’t attack Iran and knock those nukes sites out, the world party is
        over. Can’t you understand, that?

    • keith

      that was PURE unadulterated pure dee TRUTH!

  • Smiley

    all this talk of race, I would just like to say if we all search our roots far enough back, we”d find thru Christ, we are all brothers and sisters. I believe if we would just accept each other and forget this race thing the world would be a whole lot better,

    • JeffH

      Very well put Smiley!

    • keith

      try telling that to the democrats,they are the ones flinging around the raicial accusations as fast as they can point their fingers around,name calling is what they do,every time you try and have a decent conversation with them and you start to back them up in a verbal corner they come unhinged and they’re mental instability comes uot and they start frothing at the mouth and then start slinging racial crapolla around,they got the idea that using such tactics will give them the tactical verbal edge in a debate and that mush they call brains generates the most hairbrained whacky notions you ever heard,they don’t realize just how gufus they sound!it’s like after a while you wonder how they got released from the booby hatch!

  • Smiley

    By now, everybody has learned that there is a high price to be paid for free speech. Until January 20th of this year, that price was paid daily on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. Since then, the only speech that is free is speech that is approved by the government.

    Representative Joe Wilson’s shout-out to President Obama during the State of the Union speech resulted in his being the FIRST member of the US House of Representatives to EVER be censured in US history for speaking against a sitting president — from the floor of the same House where George Bush was routinely denounced as a liar and a war criminal.

    As Obama was assuring members of Congress that his health care plan would not add one dime to the budget deficit and would not cover illegal aliens, Wilson shouted out, “you lie!”

    Well, of course Obama was lying. The legislation already passed by the House both increases the budget deficit and includes illegal aliens. That was the only health care plan he could have been referring to. It is the only one that actually exists.

    But that was only the beginning. Now the whole party has come together to demonstrate what lying really is. Representative James Clyburn (D-SC) went on record saying that if the House doesn’t censure Joe Wilson, “soon the KKK will be riding through the countryside.”

    Did you get that? Joe Wilson didn’t call Obama a liar for lying. According to Clyburne, Wilson called Obama a liar for being black.

    I was insulted on Obama’s behalf. How dare James Clyburn insinuate that being black automatically makes one a liar? That’s one of the most racist things I’ve ever heard.

    But I misunderstood – Clyburn meant to insinuate that because Obama is black, that’s why Joe Wilson called him a liar. Because Obama is black. Not because he was lying.

    Since Obama was a) clearly lying, and b) talking about the budget, the whole “Joe Wilson is a racist because Obama lied and Joe Wilson called him on it so therefore he is a racist” thing is too complicated for me.

    It has introduced an entirely new paradigm to American politics that could be expressed thusly: “Only white Republicans are capable of racism and all white non-Democrats are racist.”

    To make this assumption, one must reverse history and ignore the present.

    The Ku Klux Klan was founded by Nathan Bedford Forrest following the Civil War and quickly spread throughout the South. They were formed to resist Reconstruction by assaulting and murdering freed slaves and white Republicans, known as ‘carpetbaggers’.

    In the post Civil War era, the Union states were primarily Republican, the Confederate states primarily Democrat. It was a white Republican who signed the Emancipation Proclamation and it was a white Republican-controlled Congress who rammed through the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments which a) abolished slavery, b) guaranteed equal protection under the law, c) gave blacks the right to vote.

    The Democrats in the South created and nurtured what was a nearly century-long, legal racial caste system that relegated blacks to the lowest educational, political, economic and social strata.

    The Ku Klux Klan was instrumental to white Democrats regaining political power in the South after the War. The Klan reformed in 1915. Its official platform was anti-black, anti-Communist, anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic.

    In 1913, Democrat Woodrow Wilson introduced segregation into the federal government. By 1920, the Klan grew to include about 15% of the eligible US population among its members.

    That same year, Warren G Harding ran on an anti-segregation ticket and fought for the passage of a federal anti-lynching law. Since Harding was a Republican, the simple process of elimination leaves the Democrats in opposition to both the anti-lynching law and Harding’s efforts to undo Wilson’s segregation legislation.

    In 1957, Orval Faubus, the governor of Arkansas, called out his state’s National Guard to prevent the integration of Central High School in Little Rock. In response, President Dwight D. Eisenhower sent U.S. troops to the city to escort nine frightened black teens into the school past riotous mobs inflamed by Faubus’ defiance of a federal court order.

    Faubus was a Democrat. Eisenhower was a Republican.

    It’s often joked that if you remember the 60’s, you weren’t there. Maybe that is true. Because as I remember it, George Wallace was a Democrat when he blocked the entrance to the University of Alabama.

    It was Democrat governors and Democrat controlled-legislatures that ordered the Stars and Bars to fly above their courthouses.

    Despite being forced by circumstance to send the National Guard in to escort the black students past Wallace, JFK voted with his party against the Voting Rights Act of 1957. It was Attorney-General Robert F Kennedy’s FBI that harassed and wiretapped Martin Luther King.

    It was Democrat Bull Connor who turned loose the dogs on black demonstrators in Birmingham, Alabama. The Birmingham city officials, Democrats all, opposed the civil rights marches.

    Martin Luther King’s “Letter from a Birmingham Jail” was made possible, courtesy of the Democrats that put him in there. And although the information has been thoroughly scrubbed from official history, Martin Luther King Jr. was a registered Republican — as was his father before him.

    In 1960, Martin Luther King, Jr. was arrested for trespassing during a sit-in and held in Georgia’s Reidsville prison. Fearing for his son’s life, Martin Luther King Sr. appealed to presidential candidate John F. Kennedy to secure his release.

    If King was freed, MLK Sr. vowed to deliver 10 million votes to the Democrats, even though Kennedy was only a reluctant supporter of civil rights. MLK Jr. later voted for Kennedy and in 1964, opposed Barry Goldwater. Thus began the myth that MLK was a partisan Democrat.

    Goldwater was the Republican version of Barack Obama – Goldwater was even to the right of Ronald Reagan. Not supporting Goldwater no more establishes King as a Democrat than not supporting Obama would establish somebody as a Republican.

    But on such thinly sliced facts, a political myth was born. Since 1964, blacks have voted almost monolithically for Democrat candidates.

    This, despite the fact that the list of the ten poorest inner cities in America and the ten cities that have been under exclusive Democrat control since the 1960’s are the same list.

    Indeed, merely saying that Dr. King was a Republican can earn one the title of ‘racist’. Frances Rice, chairman of the National Black Republican Association, sponsored an advertisement that reminded voters that King was a member of the Republican Party.

    Reaction to the ad was exemplified by the title of the Washington Post column on the subject, “Controversial Ad Links MLK to GOP” and quoting Rice; “They’ve called me Aunt Jemima, a sellout and a traitor to my race.”

    It is not racist to quote history. But it is if it doesn’t feed the popular mythology.

    I can’t say all Democrats were racist then or that all black Democrats are racist now. I didn’t know all Democrats from US history and I don’t know all black Democrats now.

    What I DO know is that history is neither racist nor color-blind. It isn’t partisan and doesn’t favor Republican over Democrat. History has no agenda – it is a record of events as they happened.

    Historical revisionism doesn’t change the facts as they happened, it simply changes the facts that are being taught to suit the prevailing political winds.

    Racism is an ugly charge. It evokes images of Birmingham, Bull Connor, George Wallace and Orval Faubus, but through careful and systematic application of the Big Lie, those images have been scrubbed clean of their actual political affiliation.

    The problem with throwing around charges like racism every time it is politically expedient is that it tends to dilute its impact. If everybody is a racist but nobody does anything about it, then it has the same affect as accepting the statement that ‘all politicians lie.”

    Since they all lie, it is no big deal when one gets caught in one. And if everybody is racist, then it is no big deal when real racism begins to color public policy.

    That is why James Clyburn can evoke images of the Ku Klux Klan and link them to a Republican and nobody gasps and reminds him that Clyburn is the one who is a member of the party that founded and nurtured the Ku Klux Klan.

    Racism isn’t a crime against humanity any more. It is a political tool to be used and exploited by Democrats as needed.

    For example, Jimmy Carter. (groan) Carter held a ‘town hall’ meeting at his presidential center in Atlanta. When he was asked about Joe Wilson, Carter was instant with his assessment.

    “I think it is based in racism.” (Of course you do!) “There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-America is not qualified to be president.”

    Did you catch that? Allow me to introduce you to the latest Democrat talking point. If you are a ‘birther’ then you are also a racist.

    If you believe Obama is not qualified to hold his office because the Constitution requires him to be natural-born, your Constitutional concerns are not rooted in policy or law, but rather, in race.

    (Exactly what ‘race’ is a guy that is half white, two-thirds Arab and one third black African, anyway?)

    Carter called Wilson’s outburst “part of a disturbing trend directed at the president that has included demonstrators equating Obama to Nazi leaders.”

    “Those kind of things are not just casual outcomes of a sincere debate on whether we should have a national program on health care,” he said. “It’s deeper than that.”

    Is it deeper than the sincere debate about George Bush, whose entire two terms were fraught with demonstrators depicting him as Hitler, a Nazi, a war criminal, a murderer and, of course, a liar?

    Who can forget “Bush lied, people died”? Who can forget the Democrats who traveled to the enemy’s capital in Baghdad to denounce their own president on the eve of war?

    Did anyone consider censuring David Bonior or James McDermott for what amounted to open treason?

    Why not? As Carter lectured his ‘town hall’ audience at his presidential library: “The president is not only the head of government, he is the head of state. And no matter who he is or how much we disagree with his policies, the president should be treated with respect.”

    Yeah. Like Carter treated George Bush?

    “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron. (1st Timothy 4:1-2)

    • Smilee

      I am not this Smiley,

      He is good at spinning history, do not know if he lived thought the 50′s % 60′s as an adult or not. I did and his history lessen is distorted and misleading despite he has a few facts right, but the post taken as a whole distorts the reality of the history he is talking about.

      • Smiley

        what part of the states did you grow up in, if you were a adult then, how old would that make you now? what part of history is distorted, the word racism is now used as a tool,

  • NEO-CON

    We have you all fooled. We are the puppet masters. Obama eats from our trough.

  • Obummathesocailist

    One thing i’ve learned over the years is that the real racists are the ones who cry the loudest about race. I.E. Jackson, Sharpton, Van Jones, Carter and so on.
    Fact, Obama is a liar. There were plenty of proposals by the Republicans to put into the health care bill (which no one read because, according to Barney Frank, it is to long and confusing)a law that would prohibit ILLEGALS from getting health care. That is fact. Deal with it Libs/Socailists. Try the truth, you may like it.
    Socailism is for losers who refuse to work and think they deserve everything for free. Fact, nothing is free,especailly freedom.
    2010= the end of the socailists in Washington.
    2012= the end of the socailist in the White House.

    • Normal Guy

      Oh look at Klu Klux Klan, McCarthyist. Beware the communist conspiracy.

      Obama did not lie he stated that they could not get insurance. That is the fact.

      Doctors are bound by their Hippocratic oath to treat the sick so those that are in desperate need will get treatment. THAT IS BOT INSURANCE. My god you birther, socialist chicken little’s are almost unimaginably stupid. I guess we do have a problem with our educational system, maybe it’s just inbreeding.

      • keith

        you on the shrooms again ain’t yah?????

  • Obummathesocailist

    One more thing. To the White people on this board. Stop trying to justify your beleifs to the people who call you a racist. You look foolish.

    • Smiley

      Please advise What does that mean??

    • David Hall

      Yeah, and YOU look FOOLISH by what you just wrote. You liberals, keep on, keeping on, beating that poor dog to death. Let’s write about slavery for a minute, in the Black communities. If a Black man, woman or child can’t walk their own streets, in their on communities and have
      to live in their own houses with BARS on their own windows and doors, and BARS on their own bussinesses, the chains, shackles, and whips are
      still present. THEY ARE STILL IN BONDAGE AND ARE INSLAVED. Only difference the chains, shackles and whips have been traded for, guns,
      knives, clubs, prostitution and dope. AND, YOU WANT TO BLAME THE WHITE
      MAN FOR THAT, AND SAY, WE’RE RACIST. NO, IT’S CALLED TAKING RESPONSIBILY, FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS, IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITIES.

    • swampfox

      ah blah blah blah!thats all i hear,blah blah

  • Eric Price

    Neo-Con has it right.
    Being from downstate Illinois gives me some perspective. It seems that few people relize that only a few short months ago, Mr. Obama’s job was to go to Washington, get federal dollars, bring them back to Illinois for Rod Blagoiavich to missappropriate. His recent trip to Copenhagen to appeal to the IOC is just another of his efforts to pay those back whose machine pushed him to the Presidency.
    An Acorn does not fall far from the tree.

  • Joe Schlepp

    When is Obama going to apologize to the Senate, Congress and the Public for lying in his speech about the Illegals not being covered by the Obamacare.

    After Joe Wilson’s comment, Obama quietly changed the number of un-insureds to 30 million from his original estimate of 46 million. So he knew very well that illegals would be covered by Obamacare.

    Time for obama to apologize for lying.

  • http://n/a Retired Vet age 75

    WOW. what a long read. All these post and no friends made.Well almost none. Something is wrong in America, now when neighbors are ready to fight neighbors. Remember the Civil War ? ! Is that what some of you want? For shame. What we need is a level playing field. Here is a novel idea. How about the same number of Dems. & Repubs. in the house and senate. How about letting the American People vote on issues that effectus in daily life. How about ADHERING TO THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS. I do not need some one making decisions for me in regards to my well being or health care. AND no I will not push one for english. I will hang up instead. Lastly If you put a tag on your nationality then you have none. Be an American, not Latin American or Afro American or any other brand. You dont hear those brands in the
    Armed Forces. I wonder why ???
    Thank you for your Time.

  • James

    Lies, lies, lies! Wake up all you people who believe what our elected leaders are telling you. The power of the internet allows us to completely bypass mainstream media propaganda and document what’s actually going on.

    Americans as a group are, unfortunately, weak-minded non-thinkers with extremely short memories and little conviction. However, internet video has an amazing way of restoring our collective memories by clearly documenting, for everyone to see at any time, the lies and deception spewing forth from Washington.

    Please take the time to view these videos and afterward ask yourselves … Are these lying idiots really qualified to run our country?

    These links clearly show what our House leaders are made of and, in my opinion, are absolute classics. Videos of our Senate leaders are also available for everyone to view. Obama’s lies will also be well documented over time … no one escapes scrutiny nowadays!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63siCHvuGFg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fKpBPRKbvQ&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314&feature=related

    • swampfox

      COMRAD OBAMAS LIES ARE KNOWN NOW!

  • Rich

    Wow lots of people in here who stated they are white are so reverse racist (meaning they hate whites) or are remorseful for actions they never took directly that it is insane. First I want to say does racism exist in modern US, yes of course it does. Is it exclusive to the white community, no, if you think that your a complete fool.

    So, why do we keep using the ‘race card’ because it is easy and has been effective in the past is the easiest answer.

    I have to defend Mr. Obama a bit as he has publicly stated that people who disagree with him are not necessarily racist, which is true. Carter is a misguided old man that was a complete failure as president, though he has done a lot of good since. Disagreeing on ideology has nothing to do with race, nationality or creed, it has to do with ideology. I personally agree with Mr. Obama on the issue we need to fix portions of health care, I just don’t agree on the how’s with him in all cases. Does that make me a racist Smilee? Or does it make me a person that can think for myself. You claim on regular occasion I ‘shout the conservative views and by-lines’, which I don’t, I state my thoughts on a subject just as many do that you so commonly like to attack and ridicule. I have both conservative and liberal views just as most Americans do, unlike you we have thoughts of our own that do not require some person with an ego the size of the US to tell us it is ‘Time for Change!’ with no statements behind them stating what they want to change. We look at voting trends or lack there of to make the most informed decision possible for voting for a candidate. Oh I am not saying Mr. Obama is not an effective pubblic speaker or does not have charisma, because he has, well he exudes charisma, and is probably one of the best public speakers we have had as president in my lifetime.

    Did I vote for Mr. Obama, the answer is no, why, well quite simply because I voted for a democrat in congress and am of the firm belief that anytime 1 party is in control of congress/senate and the presidency, idiocy is soon to follow, weather that is Republicans or Democrats does not matter. History has taught us that painful lesson time and time again.

    We as a country and as a people need to wake up and take that power back from those 2 corrupt parties. Quit allowing things to divide us, this sounds racist but it is not and that is terms like African American offend me, why because your an American first not an African. Asking what my ‘race’ is and then putting white/Caucasian on the form is offensive because my race is human, that is my ethnicity or background but I am of the HUMAN race period. Before we can do anything we must get rid of the self imposed barriers that keep us divided, or big government wins and we lose.

    Smilee, get your facts straight on a presidents term, it is NOT 8 years but 4 years he still needs to be re-elected, and if public opinion for him continues on the current trend he will not be re-elected. If he does something to change that opinion then he has a good shot at it. Just as, any sitting president has a better shot than the opponent. What you think that the majority of Americans are democrats, because if you do your kidding yourself, most Americans are in the middle and that is why we change back and forth between the 2 parties so much.

    Did I rant on a bit, yes, why simply he lied while giving the speech, so the heck what! That should not be the news. The news should be what he lied about is already law and the right thing to do in an emergency situation. What would you have any foreign country do for an American who has a medical emergency while visiting their country? My guess the same thing. I argued earlier in posts to show the lie, not to side with anyone, as to what it should or should not say.

    • Rich

      For the record I did not vote for McCain either. I voted for a third party candidate who I had to do research on to find not only what their platform was but what their voting trend in their district was.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Yvonne

    Why is it that when “white” people finally get pissed, everyone starts backstepping and mumbling? There is no doubt about it, if that dictator remains in office, we will all be in chains! Why don’t all of you dictator lovers take a cruise to Cuba and stay a little while, see if you like it. The difference about that is, you can leave, whereas once we are a socialist/communist society, we won’t be able to just get up and leave! But then again, Obama isn’t an American citizen so it won’t pertain to him and his family when we have civil war in the streets because he is an ignorant politician producing money that we are going to have to shovel into wheelbarrows because it will be useless. Must be nice to have your own money-printing express machine.

  • Rick

    What in the world have i stumbled upon? all this ignorance and stupidity in one place will cause an implosion. Jesus H Christ what a waste of bandwidth.

  • Rick

    New game show Democrats vs. Retards read an you will find why I escaped the retard party and if anyone would like to question i don’t mind sending them my old voter registration card. How can you people be so stupid ? is it in the water ? something you ate this morning ? or just bad genetics ? Try thinking for yourself rather than allowing fox news to do it.

    • David Hall

      Rick, I guess MSNBC, is a lot better, huh!

    • Rich

      Both parties are idiotic and completely corrupt. The Democrats range from the same place I am (middle of the road) all the way to Communists, which I am firmly against. Where do you stand Rick, since you have all the knowledge and wisdom of the world in your mind that us plebians lack, because we are so unable to think for ourselves?

      What you woke up and said ‘hey ya know what I want to make it so that I get something for nothing, and in the process give all my rights up.’ Yea that sounds like a plan, oh don’t get me wrong the Republicans are just as bad at this as the Democrats, just the Democrats want you to ‘feel good’ about it, where the Republicans just take it. Want real change quit voting for either corrupt party and start thinking for yourself.

    • keith

      hopefully your downward spiral into mental apathy and confusion will abate and you’ll eventually recover,just shows what happens to someones sanity when they drink to much kool-aid!

  • ccg

    The only problem James, they are not supposed to be our LEADERS they are supposed to be our Representatives. They have made this their life long occupation and then they get so full of themselves that they think they are our leaders and vote themselves big pay raises and big retirement benefits.
    We need term limits. Badly.

    Not voting though is not really an option. It is giving up. We all need to be responsible enough to know who we are voting for and what they stand for. Some of you sound like you could be good candidates. We do need normal people to run, not just the rich or lawyers. These people forget about what life is really like, they get away from normal everyday life as they are clustered up in Washington and get that separatist mentality. Some of them don’t even know how to put gas in their cars. They don’t get out to the grocery store like normal people. They should, they would be in for a big surprise.

  • http://zstqns@peoplepc.com ZackTayNick

    Mr. Wilson was correct in blurting out his true feelings about the lying Hussien. Hussein is a total and complete liar just look at everything he says and look at the people he surrounds himself with. How can you put a gay man who wants to promote homosexuality in the schools which is totally anti-family!!!! He is totally against everything that is American and so are the democrats they are in the same boat with him. The democrats are doing everything under the table just like their non-citizen leader hussein!!!! hussein is a muslim at heart he is out to protect the muslim religon and all of it’s evil and the people in which this evil resides just look at the message he sent out to all the muslims of the world on ramadon but what did he say about Easter and how Jesus died and was resurected for our sins which was nothing! hussein and the democrats need to be voted out of congress and people need to remember what the liberals are really all about. And any carreer republicans who are out of touch with the people!!!!!

  • Claire

    I believe the right-wing should stop and take a good look at themselves. What are they accomplishing? Nothing!They do not want to vote for ANY legislature that will help the American people. I keep thinking about what I just read— I read that the right wing consists of white supremists, the skinheads and the KKK. Is this true? Think about it. The Republicans have evil mouths that spew garbage every minute of the day. They certainly are NOT coming up with any solutions for America’s problems. They are wasting valuable time and the taxpayers money with their ignorant antics. They are acting like a bunch of morons. After reading and hearing all the twisted lies they emit, I will never vote for another Republican. I am ashamed that I used to be a Republican, but no more.

    • David Hall

      Claire, Bush done a lot of GOOD WORK, for the people of Africa, (Blacks). Plus, Bush’s war policies, liberated 50 million people in
      Iraq. Yes, I know many lives were lost in doing so. When our fore-fathers won our independence, 1776 many lives were lost. Sad, to say,
      but that’s why it’s called War. As far, as you labelling Republicans as
      racists, kkk, skin-heads, that is so OLD. Them racists, kkk, and skin-heads are such a very, very, very, small minority, so get over it. I
      have said this before, take a couple of big deep breaths, get yourself
      a warm glass of milk and go back to bed and dream sweet dreams, not bad
      ones.

      • David Hall

        Claire, oh! by the way, I didn’t say, I agreed with Bush, going to War
        with Iraq, I was just stating a fact.

    • JeffH

      Claire, did you just wake up from a 30 year nap? I don’t know where you got your info or what you read, but if that is the case, then I want out! Believe 1/2 of what you hear, 1/2 of what you see and none of what you read.

  • swampfox

    COMRAD OBAMA IS A BALD FACE LIER AND A SOCIALISTIC RADICAL HELL BENT ON DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY!ANYBODY WITH HALF A PEA-BRAIN CAN SEE THAT!every time he opens his mouth another lie pops out,he distorts the truth,lies to cover more lies,makes lies to set up more lies,he has drawn and appointed even more of his same ilk so he can and they can even hatch more lies.i would’nt beleive him if he said crap stinks!which is what comes out of his mouth every time he opens it!you libral morons are so deluded and mentally hidebound you refuse to see the truth nor hear it,though the FACTS are right there in your face.i hope your all happy for the time being because in 2010 most if not all of your socialistic libral extremists are going bye-bye!at least now the people in the u.s have finally seen just seriously warped you librals are,hearing about it and seeing it,you morons have cut your own throats and have drug down the democratic party with you!OBAMA COULD TEACH THE DEVIL A THING OR TWO ABOUT HOW TO TWIST THE TRUTH AND OUTRIGHT LIE.

  • keith

    i voted for McCain AND SARAN PALIN and would do so again with no problem,i’m from dixie and damn PROUD OF IT!lets get the commies and socialists out in 2010!!OBAMA IS A LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIER,LIER,LIER!!!!

    • David Hall

      ME TOO! 2010 AND THE COMMIES, IS OUT!

  • Claire

    Palin has one thing in her head–MONEY. This is why she resigned as the governor of Alaska. She is pursuing the money angle. I don’t blame her for this. If we had the chance we all may have done the same thing. Money talks. But I do not think she has the intelligence to run a country. She is no Eleanor Roosevelt. Do you really believe she has compassion for the American people?
    McCain is a good man, but he is NOT the only war hero in America. This war we are in has destroyed many marriages and the family unit. Many soldiers are coming back as paraplegics and some have mental issues. Has this was been worth it? bin Laden still remains elusive. It will take a miracle to capture him and destroy him.
    If so many of you think Obama is a liar–what about the Republicans? Both parties lie. They always have. They always will.
    Yes, I agree that Bush was responsible for good work in Africa. And that is a wonderful thing. And since I voted for him at the time, I backed him when he was the President of our country. But I also did not believe in going to war.
    It was during the campaign that I lost respect for the Republicans. The speeches they gave never concentrated on the problems of America or what they would do to solve them. All they did was bash the other party. Limbaugh, Hannity, and the likes of these “men” (monsters) turned me off. I think they did more harm than any good. Perhaps this is why the Republicans lost. I know a lot of Republicans here and they feel the same way. We must remember that it took years to get into this mess and it will take years to get out of it. I believe our congress should get their acts together and work on getting the problems solved for the good of the American people. But no, none of them want to get along and earn the money we are paying them. All they can do is balk at every issue that comes up. All they are thinking of is 2010 and they can’t get past that. Meanwhile a lot of American people continue to suffer. It is just that I want the White House to get along and get things done! And when any Republican is on TV they continue to bash the administration. Why aren’t they coming up with any solutions? They all need to work together and get down to business even if it takes 24/7 to get things done. Some in Congress are acting like they are not even thinking of the American people.
    I will think about 2010 when the time comes. Right now, we need to concentrate on the betterment of America. We need to support America, not destroy America from within. And we must take some blame for this mess ourselves. Maxing credit cards to the hilt, spending beyond our means, buying items that we could not afford, etc. We cannot blame the government for everything. We have to take responsibility for our own actions. Have a good day.

    • keith

      that still doe’snt change the FACT that comrad obama is a liar liar liar liar liar!!!!lets get the pediphiles,marxists,anti-americans OUT in 2010!there time is coming fot them to be BOOTED OUT and they KNOW it!

    • David Hall

      Claire, when Bush left office, 700 billion dollar deficit and that’s
      including fighting 2 wars. Obama, gets elected, one war almost over,
      Iraq. In 9 short months under Obama, the GOVERNMENT IS SAYING, ESTIMATES 9 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS. And, you can’t understand why people are totally FREAKED-OUT! OVER THIS, OUT OF
      CONTROL SPEND AND TAX, NUT! He promised not raising taxes on people making less than 250,000 dollars, he said unemployment no higher than
      8%, it’s now 9.8% and climbing as I write. Some areas a lot higher.
      His policies may bankrupt our Nation and collaspe our dollar. The man,
      is out to destroy our way of life in America, and there are millions,
      who can’t see it or don’t really care. More than I know.

      • Norm

        David Hall
        1. Obama inherited a collapsed economy from the Bush adminstration. It was Bush, and his Treasury sec., who passed the 700 billion tarp bailout, not Obama. Incidently it was needed.

        2. Despite all the right wing cheering, the unnecessary war in Iraq is far from over. Troops in Iraq – Total 130,000 U.S. troops as of August 31, 2009. All other nations have withdrawn their troops.
        Spent & Approved War-Spending – About $800 billion of US taxpayers’ funds spent or approved for spending through mid-2009. What will happen when the US leaves? It won’t be pretty.

        3. As far as unemployment –