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While Federal Government Says No, Former Surgeon General Comes Out In Support Of Prop 19

October 27, 2010 by  

While Federal government says no, former Surgeon General comes out in support of Prop 19This November, voters in California will be asked to decide whether or not recreational marijuana use should be legalized, and the proceeds from its sale taxed. While there is still a national debate about the merits of such a move, legalization proponents have received an unexpected boost from an influential former high government official.

Former United States Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders, who served during the Clinton administration, recently told CNN that, in her view, recreational use of marijuana should be legal because the substance is not physically addictive, unlike nicotine and alcohol.

She also stressed the cost of enforcing the current ban, pointing out that "we have the highest number of people in the world being criminalized, many for non-violent crimes related to marijuana," quoted by the news provider.

"We can use our resources so much better," she added.

According to a recent poll conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California, a total of 52 percent of likely voters in the state support the measure, known as Proposition 19.

However, even if the measure passes, its proponents may still face an uphill battle, as U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said last week that the Federal government will continue to "vigorously enforce the controlled substances act." 

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  • Dan az

    Maybe they ought to get cheech and chong to run for govenor since they think that all movie stars are made to be politicians look how well they have done.

    • Robert Smith

      From Dan az: “Maybe they ought to get cheech and chong to run for govenor since they think that all movie stars are made to be politicians look how well they have done.”

      Yup, look at the Reagan legacy and Sonny Bono. Movie stars should be suspect when the get into office.

      BTW, did you see Cheech doing the spots for Shriners’ Hospitals? That doesn’t seem so bad to me.

      Rob

  • http://libertymind.wordpress.com Patriot1776

    I hate to agree with a Clinton administration lackey, but I am totally on board with legalizing. The government has no right to tell anyone what they can or cannot put into their own body. The war on drugs has cost billions of wasted dollars with little to no effect. People are going to do what they are going to do anyway. Not to mention, doesn’t anybody find it strange that the Federal government in 1918 knew they had to pass an Amendment to prohibit alcohol yet, in 1970 all they had to do was pass a bill to prohibit marijuana? What changed between 1918 and 1970? Nothing except the public’s education level and the Federal government’s arrogence. Without an amendment prohibiting drugs, the Federal government has NO legal say so on this matter. If Caifornia wants it legal, so be it.

    • Robert Smith

      From Patriot: “I hate to agree with a Clinton administration lackey, but I am totally on board with legalizing [pot].”

      She also wanted to educate kids about sex. In a age appropriate structure she advocated talking about things like masturbation.

      That’s refreshing in today’s atmosphere where some politicians consider oven mits to be a sexual aid.

      BTW, don’t feel lonley as a conservateve who wants to legalize pot. William F. Buckley was a strong advocate.

      Rob

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        Passing condoms to Kinder-Elem children and don’t forget “safer bullets”. What do you expect from Progressive Commie Democrats ?

        • Robert Smith

          Shucks WIA, have you already been smoking some of that street stuff of questionable contents?

          You posted: “Passing condoms to Kinder-Elem children”

          Never happened. Someone lied to you.

          ” and don’t forget “safer bullets”.

          Are you talking about Glaser Safety Slugs?

          Rob

  • Les

    First off let me state for the record that I think people that use drugs are stupid. You might as well play Russian Roulette with a Glock.

    I highlighted several points in the story that I thought should have been expanded on. Notice all the opponents who would be affected by legalizing drugs. Lets make a list; Drug Lords, organized crime, current growers and sellers of illegal drugs, drug enforcement agencies at all levels such as the DEA. These are all organizations that stand to lose big. Notice they don’t point out that the current policy keeps them all gainfully employed.

    Now here’s how it affects me personally; I don’t do drugs yet I get to pay for them 5 different ways:

    1.I get to pay for the healthcare costs of people who are doing illegal drugs. There is no quality control so many people OD on their constantly varying drug supply.

    2.I get to pay for enormous federal agencies such as the DEA that pretend to be fighting the war on drugs. A war that has been going on forever!

    3.I get to pay for the incarceration of millions of people that are involved in one way or another with illegal drugs. That’s the few that actually get caught.

    4.I get to pay for rehab when people turn themselves over for treatment. This usually occurs 5 minutes after being caught with illegal drugs so they canget a lighter sentence.

    5.Finally, I get ripped off by drug users that sell my property for pennies on the dollar to continue their drug habit.

    So now you know why I am for legalizing all drug use. Control its quantity and quality. Tax the hell out of it and not me. I’m tired of paying for something I don’t use. I’ll bet you will see a lot of people come out for rehab that can’t because of the positions they are currently in. However for reasons I stated before, this will never happen. Too many people are making too much money on the current misery of others.

    The others that fight against it’s legalization are too stupid to understand the real problem. They are the “Don’t confuse me with the facts crowd.”

    “Doing more with Les”

    • Robert Smith

      From Les: “First off let me state for the record that I think people that use drugs are stupid.”

      William F. Buckley, Carl Sagan, George Carlen, and Willy Nelson aren’t “stupid.”

      These people are not stupid, although they may be doing something IN YOUR OPINION that is stupid. See the differance?

      Rob

      • James

        One can be intelligent and talented and still be stupid. I’ve never needed drugs to get through a day, myself. I’ll drink a few beers occasionally, can’t drink too much or I get sick. I hate anything stronger, makes me gag. What proponents say is correct, it they’re gonna do it, they’re gonna do it. Still, if someone wants to shoot themselves, don’t ask to borrow my gun. Don’t ask me to say it’s okay.

        • joe_k

          Uh….. James….

          If someone decides to shoot themselves, someone else will not ask for your gun. They’ll just make some new attempt to legislate your gun away from you. Whether you had anything to do with it or not.

        • Robert Smith

          Hi James, “One can be intelligent and talented and still be stupid.”

          I get the impression that English isn’t your first languagel.

          For example, Carl Sagan was “talented” in enough ways to be considered as one of America’s brightest people. You may think that he did something “stupid”, but again I’m quite sure he’d score very well on an IQ test.

          BTW, why should any American be denied something because YOU get sick from it? Do you want to see alcohol illegal? Remember, when that was denied to the American public all we got out of it was organized crime, just as we have today with pot.

          Rob

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

        Robot Smith, Go smoke some MJ laced with opium, meth or crack. Kids around here (89% Mexicans Hispanics) are making this crap and they aren’t getting more intelligent, Now Smitty, go get some of this sh%% and try it, share it with your kids, grand-kids (if you have any) do a kumbaya-Cumbia and then come back and tell us how smarter you all got ! Tell that to Willie.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Roberto,
        i wouldn’t use Willy Nelson as a good example of “smarts”!! He trusted his accountant to take care of his money without verifying anything and now he is still paying his tax bill!!!! Ever heard that old adage trust but verify???? Probably not as I believe it is from a republican!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Joe!

          Seems you are missing some history.

          Yes, “Trust, but verify” was a signature phrase of Ronald Reagan. When Reagan used this phrase, he was usually discussing relations with the Soviet Union.

          Know where RR got it from? It as a translation of the Russian proverb “doveryai, no proveryai” (Russian: Доверяй, но проверяй) – “Trust, but verify.”

          Handy how that actor used a Russian phrase.

          Rob

    • Robert Smith

      From Les: “1.I get to pay for the healthcare costs of people who are doing illegal drugs. There is no quality control so many people OD on their constantly varying drug supply.”

      If recreational drugs were legal the could be regulated for consistancy, potency, and safety. That eliminates the health care aspect.

      BTW, there is NO way to overdose with pot, and there are no fatal outcomes from the pot itself. If you drink enough alcohol will kill. Over 5,000 people each year are hospitalized for alcohol.

      The only way to get hurt from pot is for a bail of the stuff to fall on you.

      Rob

      • joe_k

        LOL …. “BTW, there is NO way to overdose with pot”

        Really?

        Remember the frying egg, this is your brain on drugs commercial? You may think it has no application where pot is concerned, but research proves that pot can cause sever short term memory problems, as well as timing and depth perception problems. How is a pot smoker a better driver than a drunk? I submit there is little or no real difference.

        Then again, I have seen a lot in my days concerning pot and people who cannot get through the day with out it because it is extremely psychologically addictive if overused. I think what we need is a similar commercial showing a strong, masculine stud, then ripping out his spine and showing a jellyfish; “This is your spine, this is your spine on pot” Think it’ll fly?

        LOL Just kidding, I already know you don’t like it.

        • James

          Moderation in all things. That’s where people go wrong. So Pot is not physically addictive and there’s nothing wrong with it. There’s nothing wrong with roller skating unless you do it all day everyday. People can get addicted to anything. When people are high on Pot I believe the tendency is to get comfortable, listen to music, and try to eat everything that can’t outrun them. They’re pretty much out of the barroom gunfights and drunk driving. But why can’t they feel alright, feel good without the adjustment? There’s something wrong that this stuff can’t cure. If you could make pot or alcohol disappear with magic, they’d probably go to crack or heroin. Chemical happiness?

          • joe_k

            James,

            Personally, I do not smoke pot nor drink alcohol. My personal view is that life can be pretty tough to get through, even with a solid and stable mind. I see anything that alters the mind as a deliberate, self-dulling (If you will) of the best tool we have been given to help us in this life.

            I was not always that way in my belief. I had my experiences with pot, with alcohol, with other things during the 1970s. I was fortunate in that the circumstances of my life put me out of touch with any supply of such things until I had been so long enough to no longer be dependent on them. I was not in jail. I was what you might call an urban outdoorsman in a city that was not my home. I had to start life over, from snow and ice covered streets. Drugs were out of the question because of the expense and just got left behind on my way back up.

            But you say: “If you could make pot or alcohol disappear with magic, they’d probably go to crack or heroin. Chemical happiness?”

            This is probably true for many people. There was a time in my own life when, accept for the grace of God that put me in the bottom of the pig pen, it would have been true in my own life. Physical, or psychological makes no difference. A man who cannot face life with out either of those dependencies is less than he could be, and if he is dependent long enough, he will never make the climb back up.

            I can think of no other or better reason not to legalize the use of pot. Harmless as some may think it is, it is a destroyer of lives. To make it legal and then to collect taxes from it for governmental use is to make a predator of the government and victims (willing as they may be in their ignorance) of those who use the drug.

            It strikes me as funny how the use of marijuana is defended while smoking tobacco is the second greatest sin of political correct thinking (accept for our glorious president, of course), right behind racism (also accept for our glorious president)

            Having said all that, I do believe that if the people of California ever do vote to legalize marijuana for either medicinal or even recreational purposes, then that vote should stand. Lets just hope they never fall that far over the edge of good sense.

        • Robert Smith

          I posted: “BTW, there is NO way to overdose with pot”

          From joe_k responded: LOL ….Really?

          Yes, really.

          Joe waxes reminiscent: “Remember the frying egg, this is your brain on drugs commercial?”

          Yup, and for those who don’t you can go and watch it at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyXFN4ocN_o

          Yes, I do remember it. Are you one of those guys who accepts a commercial produced by the government to justify the War on Drugs as something that is going to be reliably factual?

          And now Joe tries to cite the obvious: “but research proves that pot can cause sever short term memory problems,”

          Sure does. In EXCESS. But recovery is complete after a good night of sleep IF excess isn’t every day for years.

          “as well as timing and depth perception problems.”

          Yup. Guess what… I think it should be illegal to drive under the influence of ANY drug, including alcohol, pot, or Contac.

          “How is a pot smoker a better driver than a drunk?”

          Believe it or not there is an answer for that one. Pot smokers are rarely aggressive. One of the things a policeman looks for is a car going slower. If it isn’t an elder it can be someone under the influence of pot.

          “I submit there is little or no real difference.”

          You are wrong.

          From joe: “I have seen a lot in my days concerning pot and people who cannot get through the day with out it because it is extremely psychologically addictive if overused.”

          Nope. If pot is “overused” people go to sleep very quietly and very peacefully. Then they wake up without a hangover.

          Pot is habituating but not addictive. It is way less addictive than the coffee millions of Americans drink. In extreme as you are tryint to play pot caffine is extremely physicaly addictive, raises blood pressure, aggressiveness, and all sorts of other bad things.

          “I think what we need is a similar commercial showing a strong, masculine stud, then ripping out his spine and showing a jellyfish; “This is your spine, this is your spine on pot” Think it’ll fly?”

          No because that would be an outright lie, just like the government did.

          Rob

          • joe_k

            Nice job. I am sure dopers all over the country agree with you.

            I will not take time to refute all your claims. But I stand by the “this is your spine on pot” take of my own. Also, the short term memory loss is most certainly not as short term as to be gone overnight. It can last months and even come back to haunt a person years later.

            Finally, I do not believe I have ever known a pot head who was a pot head in moderation. Of course, I haven’t met every pot head, so I suppose there may be one or two out there somewhere. Most pot heads generally do look for bigger and better highs. Not because of the marijuana in and of its self, but because of the other pot heads they hang out with always seeking to make life easier by frying their brains and extinguishing their spines.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Joe,

            Most “pot heads” as you call them aren’t noticed. Remember, bigoted, ignorant, reich wingers are out to put them in jail.

            So, they are all around you, Joe. And they don’t smell like drunks do.

            Rob

    • Robert Smith

      From Les: “2.I get to pay for enormous federal agencies such as the DEA that pretend to be fighting the war on drugs. A war that has been going on forever!”

      Yup, and if pot were legal then we get TAXES for it. A much better deal for the public.

      If pot is legal lots of folks get employed growing and distributing it. Did you know that George Washington grew hemp?

      Rob

      • joe_k

        Did you know that hemp was used for making ropes and that among other multiple uses, ropes were used for hanging people.

        • Robert Smith

          From joe: “Did you know that hemp was used for making ropes”

          Yes, a critical war material of that time.

          In later times big business came along and outlawed it.

          Rob

          • joe_k

            Robert Smith

            Then you acknowledge that George Washington did not grow hemp for the purpose of keeping his soldiers happy and stoned at Valley Forge? You also acknowledge that he did not grow it for sales on the streets for the general populace to get in touch with God? And last but not least, you acknowledged that Washington’s growing of hemp contributed to the military, therefore, national security of the country?

            Careful there, Robert. Such acknowledgments could lead to the disillusionment of pot heads all over the country.

          • Robert Smith

            He Joe,

            Pot was LEGAL during Revolutionary times.

            The “Indian Hemp” was the smokable stuff.

            BTW, did you know George Washington made a significant part of his fortume as a distiller?

            “Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere.” – George Washington, U.S. President.

            “Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica.” – Abraham Lincoln (from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany)

            “The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world.” – Carl Sagan, renown scientist, astronomer, astrochemist, author and TV host

            Rob

    • Robert Smith

      From Les: “4.I get to pay for rehab when people turn themselves over for treatment. This usually occurs 5 minutes after being caught with illegal drugs so they canget a lighter sentence.”

      Yup, and particularly for pot there is no rehab necessary. It isn’t addictive (habituated is different and not physical). Side effects are a good refreshing sleep. There is NO hangover from pot.

      Rob

      • s c

        RS, from the rest of America, @#^* off, and keep in touch from a distance, chum.
        This topic sure is right up your social engineering alley. If a level-headed ex-SG ventured an opinion on the topic, it might have some merit. Almost everything Elders said was a political statement, and she hasn’t changed any since she left her ‘job’ for greener pastures.
        As I recall, Elders was the medical “genius” who promised us that America’s youth would be so much better off (and enlightened) if they’d practice and perfect the many joys of masturbation. What a role model she is!
        Elder’s ideas are no more valid or realistic than that of Anita Hill (‘god’s’ gift to the legal profession). Between the two of them, I wouldn’t waste my time seeking medical or legal advice from either.
        Again, in case your memory is even shorter than it seems, ^*#^, off, RS. Judging from your above comments, you need to get a life, and try to make sense at least once a month – assuming that you are capable of doing such a thing.

        • Robert Smith

          Awwww s c, I get the impression you don’t like Elders.

          “As I recall, Elders was the medical “genius” who promised us that America’s youth would be so much better off (and enlightened) if they’d practice and perfect the many joys of masturbation.”

          Actually that is absolutely false. What was she was expressing was that masturbation is natural and kids shouldn’t feel guilty about it. It is the most private of all sex acts and except among consenting adults should remain that way.

          If you and your religion think it’s bad please keep that private also.

          “Elder’s ideas are no more valid or realistic than that of Anita Hill (‘god’s’ gift to the legal profession).”

          Actually another has come forward about the manipulative “recovered” drunk Clarance.

          “Between the two of them, I wouldn’t waste my time seeking medical or legal advice from either.”

          You don’t have to. On the other hand (no pun intended ;-) ) some private things can be a lot of fun.

          Now, don’t get me wrong here but phone sex has a problem now. With too much of that you may get hearing aids. That aural stimulation…

          Rob

    • Chris

      I agree. Our government has no right dictating to people what they can do in this matter. As a matter of fact all these drugs were legal at one time. It is nothing more than a big business venture keeping the government big in this phony war which costs billions to fund. Prohibition did not work and it spawned organized crime. It was repealed and the “mob” had to find new illegal vices to fund themselves. We as a country saw how stupid that was yet we have done the same with this prohibition on drugs. Same mistake. We have many useless departments supposedly created for our “well being” and are fairly recent creations. We have the Dept. of Energy and the Dept of Education. Both cost billions to operate and yet they accomplish nothing that they were created for and drain our resources. Government may be a “necessary evil” as our founders put it, but lets keep this evil to a minimum.

  • RLM357

    Should we expect anything more from the Left Coast or a Dumb —-d political appointee who proclaimed that we need smarter Bullets in her anti gun speech? clinton appointees disgraced the Offices in the W.H. Read Unlimited Access by Gary Aldrich, FBI ret. I did and was amazed. This former Surgeion General was a Dufuss! ~Rick Magee, FL

    • Robert Smith

      Related to Travis or is the spelling different?

      Rob

  • Teresa

    May I ask why she is voicing her opinion for the passing of this? Why did Soros just donate over a million dollars to support the passing of this bill…there is more to this! The whole story is not being told here! The government makes more money w/it being illegal than legal and that is a fact! If the bill passes there is a reason they are not telling the public. While illegal they can take your drugs, money, vehicle, land if growing, and resell (and you know they do)…so you tell me what is the government up to???? The government knows if they legalize the reprecutions of the downfall with the minors and rehabs alone.

    • Robert Smith

      From Teresa: “May I ask why she is voicing her opinion for the passing of this?”

      Isn’t she allowed to express it? It’s not as if she works for NPR.

      Oops, some get to say what they want and others don’t.

      Rob

      • Teresa

        Once again…a lib only taking partial statements….get the whole picture! The point is, there is more to the story then they are telling.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Teresa, Ropot Smith is never going to get it, his mind is “Pot on Dude”, Sean Penn type .

        • joe_k

          Teresa,

          What they are not saying does not need to be said for most conservatives. It is this:
          Liberals are calling on every conceivable voice to shout down common sense because there is an election at hand. They know that worshipers at the alter of liberal stupidity already intend to vote the way they want them to. They are hoping the title “Former Surgeon General” will endow a known idiot with credibility in the minds of those who are old enough to vote but to young to remember Joyceln Elders inept stupidity.

  • http://yahoo jowolo

    Another step in the direction of the downfall of the Weimar Republic.

    • Robert Smith

      From jowolo: “Weimar Republic”

      Remember what the First and Second Reichs were that inspired Hitler?

      Kinda lends credibility to the notion of some christians being abusive, nasty, and generally counter to freedom for humans on planet Earth.

      Rob

  • chuck b

    california is saying no to legalizing pot, at the same time they are in the process of hiring a pothead as governor.
    all this while i thought california had lost it’s way, but the polls show a big no for pot, i guess we can be right some of the time.

    what joycelyn elders says about anything isn’t worth repeating.

    • s c

      Chuck b, correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought California’s main task was to decide if there was a to be blanket approval for using and/or growing marijuana, or if the emphasis was to be on making medical marijuana.
      Since Arnie is a first-rate failure as governor [AND California is beyond broke], the legalization of marijuana for medical purposes [aka medical marijuana] would let California use its #1 CASH CROP to put a serious dent in its money woes and help people with medical problems at the same time.
      Leave it to people like Arnie and a corrupt, incompetent herd of criminals in Washington to screw it up.

    • James

      Comeon, Chuck! Where’s your sense of humor? Most of the time that woman was hilarious! The idiot things she said and how easy it was to sidetrack her onto a totally different topic without her even seeming to realize it! How could Joycln Elders be taken serious by anyone who did’nt have spit running down thier chins?!

      • Robert Smith

        James asks: “How could Joycln Elders be taken serious by anyone who did’nt have spit running down thier chins?!”

        They compare her to Mr. PotatoE head.

        Remember Dan Quayle?

        Rob

        • joe_k

          Robert,

          How well I remember the liberals castrating Dan Quale (politically speaking) because he misspelled ‘potato’. In fact, as you just demonstrated, they are still trying to squeeze occasional drops of mileage out of it. I also remember Al Gore on tour in the white house museum, walking into a room containing bust (had and shoulder statues) of Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington and asking the museum curator “So, who are these fellows?” And I noticed that the lame-stream media never noticed. That is because the heart and soul of current American liberalism is lying the camouflage that same liberalism is hypocrisy and the strength of it is belligerence toward any that disagree.

          • Robert Smith

            From joe: “I also remember Al Gore on tour in the white house museum, ”

            Without his glasses.

            Al Gore went on to be validated. Things are getting warmer.

            Dan is still an idiot.

            Rob

        • joe_k

          Robert Smith,

          You commented in another place: “Most “pot heads” as you call them aren’t noticed. Remember, bigoted, ignorant, reich wingers are out to put them in jail.”

          Robert, how predictable. I don’t agree with you so I, and people who think like me are bigots,ignorant, nazis (riech). Uh, you forgot homophobic, sexist, hateful, divisive, racist, gun toting, bible thumping, jack booted moron.

          Come on now, Robert, if you want to be a good liberal, you’re going to have to learn how to spout all that crap faster than an intelligent person can say “No, I’m not.”

          But, just in case you think you liberal spoutings bother me, or carry any more weight in the real world than bovine methane on the wind, know this: I forgive you. You are just repeating what you have heard other liberal dumb morons say.

          • Robert Smith

            From joe: “You are just repeating what you have heard other liberal dumb morons say.”

            When it comes to pot…

            Like William F. Buckley.

            A fine upstanding liberal (not).

            BTW, as long as you bring up methane…

            Have you heard about that new group to preserve wooden toilet seats? Mine is oak but they call themselves the Birch John Society.

            Rob

    • Robert Smith

      chuck says: “at the same time they are in the process of hiring a pothead as governor.”

      Arnold has won the world championship of body building, become a rich actor (even bigger than Ronald), and become the governor of one of the largest states in America.

      If his brain was so scrambled by pot I want some of that brand.

      Rob

  • chuck b

    sc

    the proposed law reads:
    legalizes marijuana under california but not federal law. permits local government to regulate and tax commercial production, distribution, and sale of marijuana

    you can’t really blame arnie too much, he really tried to change things when he came into office, however, the people keep voting the same old hard core liberals into the state legislature and they run the state. he put out the changes needed for a vote and the unions and school teachers killed his initiative’s. there’s no hope now for calif. with brown coming in, it’s just a matter of time , we will either have a recall, revolution or most caucasians will leave the state.

  • http://www.opposingviews.com/i/marijuana-is-the-flame-heroin-is-the-fuse-lsd-is-the-bomb--3 chmmrx
  • joe_k

    Joycelyn Elders is the genius who gave us the commonly used word “wellness” whereas we used to just use the word “health”.

    She is also the same genius who finally got fired, after saying many ignorant things, for saying that “masturbation ought to be taught in our public schools as a part of normal human sexuality”. I suppose her intent was to secure funding to teach kids what they generally figure out for themselves,

    I remember when Clinton appointed her. He made some comment about how he wanted “a cabinet that looks like America”. I distinctly remember thinking how nice it would be if he were to appoint cabinet members that “Think” like America.

    Our current president is not concerned with such things. When he wants to grab more power, he just appoints new czars.

    Any way, as for legalizing marijuana in California, I think it’s a great idea. That would get a lot of jerks, crooks and druggies out of Kansas. Who knows, with the hated “wealthy” fleeing from California in droves to avoid being taxed to death, maybe when the state turns druggie, some of the overflow of wealthy people will spill all the way over Colorado and land in Kansas. We could use genuine economic stimulus.

    • s c

      Joe_k, a twit like Elders wouldn’t find much support in Kansas (or any state that hasn’t outlawed common sense). She’d probably do a quickie investigation and demand that kids in school (starting wth grade scholers) begin masturbating immediately or face government sanctions.
      It’s just as well that Dorothy is not to be found in Kansas. Dorothy would be thoroughly indoctrinated and made a pc robot via testosterone therapy, and her dog would be shipped off to Mexico or California for a sex change, and Dorothy would be the ‘proud’ owner of a barking cat.

      • joe_k

        s c,

        Not gonna happen. Dorothy ran away with Bill Clinton.

        It seems that Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George Bush (41) and Bill Clinton were visiting Kansas one day and a tornado swept them all away to the land of Oz. The Wizard loved having them and gave them all a gift, based upon opinion polls of the American Public.

        The American public thought Carter was kind of dumb, so the Wizard gave Carter a brain.

        The Poll showed that many Americans still thought of Reagan as “mean spirited” so the Wizard gave Reagan a heart.

        The polls showed that, even after winning the war in the gulf in record time, standing up to Saddam’s attempt to put an economic strangle hold on the entire free world, many people still thought Bush (senior) was a wimp, so the Wizard gave him some courage.

        The Wizard then asked Clinton: What do you think the American people would most want me to give you..

        We haven’t seen Dorothy since.

        • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

          Nobel Prize coming up, Genius !

    • James

      I know! Teach masterbation in schools! How stupid does she think kids are? Most of them figure it out for themselves by the time they’re twelve. When I heard her say that I nearly rolled on the floor.

      • Robert Smith

        “Teach masterbation in schools!”

        Absolutely FALSE.

        What was being discussed was NOT TO FEEL GUILTY.

        Too many kids were listening to abusive adults who were teaching them guilt.

        Rob

  • joe_k

    Chip,

    “While Federal Government Says No, Former Surgeon General Comes Out In Support Of Prop 19 ”

    As soon as I saw this headline in your newsletter, before coming to this column, I knew you were talking about Joycelyn Elders. I mean, it couldn’t have been Everett Coop. He has a brain.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      joe k,
      Elders has a brain, too. The problem is it’s like the one in the commercial you spoke of!! Fried!!!!!!

      • joe_k

        Well, truth is, I guess I knew that from the day she got appointed as surgeon general. Only I am not so sure her brain is fried. I think it is more …. scrambled.

  • alpha-lemming

    It’s 4:20 already???!!! My watch must’ve stopped!!

    • Robert Smith

      From alpha: “it’s 4:20 already???!!! My watch must’ve stopped!!”

      AM or PM?

      Actually it’s a lot of fun to keep time with a calendar and let it stop on 4/20.

      Meet us by the statue of Louis Pasteur, at San Rafael High School.

      Now, what was I thinking… Oh, it has to be 5:00 somewhere.

      Rob

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    I find it incredible that some people can lash out at perfectly legal products, such as tobacco or fast foods, but then talk about legalizing products that can destroy your mind. Like this goofy mayor Mike Bloomturd, Joycelyn Elders lashed out at tobacco. But when her son was arrested 16 years ago on drug charges, she said she didn’t think it was a crime!! Of course, I don’t see how she can have any credibility on these manners. On the other hand, she was amusing as the laughingstock of the Clinton Administration. She enjoyed attending a concert by Eric Clap’ner’ (as she pronounced the name). And as a parody, Rush Limbaugh would play Chuck Berry’s ‘Ding-a-Ling’ song in honor of her. And after her firing in 1994, didn’t Rush suggest PeeWee Herman as her replacement??….Anyway, where is common sense?? If tobacco, fast foods, salt, transfats were so bad, common sense should say they would never have been legal in the 1st place. Of course, the leftists, statists and democraps see we’re waking up, and they’re worried….Maybe the democraps fear the only way to get elected in the future is to have as many drugged people as possible!!

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Earl! I saw you post: “but then talk about legalizing products that can destroy your mind.”

      Pot doesn’t destroy anyone’s mind except if it is used literally for YEARS in high quantity.

      Alcohol is far more dangerous.

      Rob

  • coal miner

    Coal Miner’s quotes:

    Marijuana and tabacco, future fuel and food source.Stop the vicious attacks.Lets make pot legal and leave the cigarette companies alone.

    http://nta.da.gov.ph/otheruses.html

  • vicki

    Conservatives (I am one in theory) often confuse me on issues of freedom. They demand freedom to keep and bear arms but deny the freedom to keep and grow (some) plants. They demand freedom to stick chemicals in their mouth (vitamins) but deny the freedom to stick chemicals in their mouths (marijuana brownies).

    I understand liberals. They want to control everything. Including Pot. Taxing or making illegal so they can make more money under the table.

    But what is it about freedom and responsibility that Conservatives don’t get?

    • joe_k

      I know what you mean. Liberals confuse me.

      They demand the freedom to slaughter babies but try to arrest people who speak against it.

      They demand free speech but stop at absolutely nothing to shut conservatives up.

      The demand “pro-choice” but insist taking all guns away from people who have them and insist that things like education of ones children as one sees fit not be allowed. In fact, space on the internet will not allow mentioning all the ways in which liberals would restrict personal choice.

      They demand that every vote be counted, including those of Mickey Mouse, dead people, illegal aliens and house pets, but demand that absentee military ballots not be counted.

      While a person must be at least 18 to enter into a contract, stay out after curfew, live on their own, drink an alcoholic beverage, liberals demand that they have sexual freedom at 16 (or younger).

      Again, I could go on and on. Suffice it to say that liberals, in general, believe that all good things are evil and all evil things are good, all the while purporting themselves to be wiser and more generally intelligent than people who still know that some things are still wrong enough that you have to have lots of help to believe otherwise.

      • Vicki

        Well said. It is worth noting that there are a LOT more things about liberal thought that are confusing then conservative thought. As Joe_k mentioned there are pages and pages and pages of examples. :)

      • Robert Smith

        From joe: “They demand the freedom to slaughter babies but try to arrest people who speak against it.”

        Do you mean like the guy who shot Tiller? Yup, a gun speaks loudly but the murder of REAL people is illegal in America. Oh, and then there is the issue of abusing women going in and out of clinics. How’s ’bout scaring little kids to tears at Milton Bradley school?

        >>>They demand free speech but stop at absolutely nothing to shut conservatives up.<<<

        Really. How many times has the ACLU defended the righs of skin heads and nazis? Aren't those groups as far right as wrong can be?

        "The demand “pro-choice” but insist taking all guns away from people"

        Bzzzzzz, wrong again. I oppose most gun control. Oh, but then maybe I'm not a liberal as so many have tried to call me so.

        "who have them and insist that things like education of ones children as one sees fit not be allowed."

        Home schooling is always an option, and in public schools classes with sex in them can be opted out of.

        "In fact, space on the internet will not allow mentioning all the ways in which liberals would restrict personal choice."

        Sheesh, where to you get this garbage from joe?

        "They demand that every vote be counted, including those of Mickey Mouse, dead people, illegal aliens and house pets, but demand that absentee military ballots not be counted."

        Another crazy lie. Have you been listening to Rush again, Joe? Remember, it was the REPUBLICANS who corrupted Florida to steal the Presidency.

        "While a person must be at least 18 to enter into a contract, stay out after curfew, live on their own, drink an alcoholic beverage, liberals demand that they have sexual freedom at 16 (or younger)."

        Give us an example of that one joe. To me it looks like you are making stuff up again.

        "Again, I could go on and on."

        You have, but you couldn't if you actually had to use facts.

        Rob

    • joe_k

      P.S.

      Show me a liberal (so called ‘progressive’ these days) who has an inkling of a clue what freedom and personal responsibility are, and I’ll show you Santa Clauses house in the north pole. Liberals believe that freedom is their personal right to take what they have not earned and control those who do. Liberals believe that victims are in reality guilty and the guilty are in reality victims. They are indeed very confusing. I wonder what it is about basic ‘right and wrong’ that liberals are just not able to grasp?

      • Vicki

        You said it above. To liberals what is right is wrong and what is wrong is right.

        • joe_k

          Vicki,

          Who was it that once said “Truth and facts to a liberal are what crucifixes and holy water are to a vampire”? Take good ole Robert for example. He is continually spouting off with tired old over used name callings and insults that have become comical from their overuse, pretending always to be smarter than others, yet completely unable to invent an original insult. He is just another guy blinded by the sand in his eyes from burying his head. He wouldn’t recognize truth or facts if you melted them down and poured them in his collar.

      • Robert Smith

        From joe: “Show me a liberal (so called ‘progressive’ these days) who has an inkling of a clue what freedom and personal responsibility are,”

        Clues:

        Women should be able to control their own bodies when it comes to sex and pregnancy.

        People should be able to use recreational drugs besides the christian alcohol. BTW, how much of that sacred blood of your savior have you been drinking lately?

        “and I’ll show you Santa Clauses house in the north pole.”

        You didn’t get the memo about Santa, did you joe? He isn’t real. But then Republicans are taking real money from false constructed “people” called corporations.

        Rob

    • AnhydrousBob

      Vicki,
      You hit the nail on the head. You are right about the conflicting ideas of too many so called conservatives. What are the rules used to justify some things being illegal, and other things being OK? It would seem from looking at the situation that they suffer from cognitive dissonance – holding onto incongruous ideas and trying to meld them into something rational.

      Plus labels get confusing when you only have two basic ones to choose from, liberal and conservative. We have been taught that the two labels lie at two ends of a line segment with a person lying somewhere along that line.

      It is much more enlightening to look at things using a different perspective than a single line. One way to do so is using a two dimensional map. The “Advocates for Self Government” have a copy of one here: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

      Anyone who hasn’t done so should give it a look – it may help sort out some of your own ideas.

  • Cathy1960

    Marijuanna is not the problem here in my city in Indiana…Its the legal Prescription Drugs that the Pharmaceutical companies are putting on the streets everyday. Marijanna is non-additictive but can you say the same for the rise in Prescription Drugs.

  • Stunned Libertarian

    Get government out of your bedroom.

    Vote Libertarian.

    Get government out of your vitamin cabinet.

    Vote Libertarian.

    They’ve recently out-lawed Chelation Therapy, so that you have to go to the doctor and pay through the nose for pads that used to cost $15.

    Get government out of your shoes.

  • Stunned Libertarian

    By the way, a Wall Street Journal survey found that 93% of the respondants favored the legalization of Marijuana.

    If the Will of the People is the foundation of this country…
    WHY is there even a discussion?

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